Episode 829 | "The Thickening Agent"

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 829 | "The Thickening Agent"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Joe Budden Podcast
• Host/Author: The Joe Budden Network
• Description: Tune into Joe Budden and his friends. Follow along the crazy adventures of these very random friends.
• Episode: Episode 829 | "The Thickening Agent"
• Release Date: May 29, 2025

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1. Introduction

[00:00] Joe Budden: Opens the episode with a humorous disclaimer, setting a lighthearted tone for the discussions to follow.

2. Celebrating Achievements: Melissa Ford's Gracie Award

[02:09] Melissa Ford: Announces winning a Gracie Award from the Alliance for Women in Media, prompting a celebratory atmosphere among the hosts.

[02:27] Melissa Ford: Delivers a heartfelt acceptance speech, thanking her supportive cast and the organization. She humorously addresses her "haters" and emphasizes the significance of the award.

[03:27] Melissa Ford: Discusses her cooking segment where she prepared Mac and Cheese live on air, aiming to prove her culinary skills from scratch.

[32:20] Melissa Ford: Explains the use of sour cream as a thickening agent in her Mac and Cheese recipe, clarifying misconceptions about her following a specific recipe.

3. Main Discussion: Kevin Lyles Lawsuit and Industry Culture

[36:00] Parks: Introduces the topic of Kevin Lyles, an artist accused by Lady Luck of sexual misconduct spanning over several years. Parks outlines Lyles' response to the allegations, highlighting the complexities and potential strategies involved.

[36:30] Parks: Details the nature of the allegations, including claims of grooming and sexual assault during Lady Luck's employment at Def Jam in the early 2000s. He emphasizes the evolving landscape of the #MeToo era, noting that such stories are persistent and indicative of deeper systemic issues.

[42:10] Melissa Ford: Advocates for proactive responses to false allegations, citing Jay-Z's example of vocalizing innocence. She expresses concern over the $30 million demanded by Lyles, labeling it as excessive and setting a troubling precedent for future lawsuits.

Notable Quote:

• Melissa Ford [42:11]: "My default is to want to believe victims... But $30 million is... it's a big number."

[43:41] Parks: Raises the issue of "victim spectrum," questioning why the magnitude of emotional trauma is being monetized and influenced by market standards. He predicts that many similar cases will result in settlements rather than full legal resolutions.

[51:04] Parks: Predicts that Kevin Lyles is likely to win his case by presenting the narrative that Lady Luck fabricated her allegations, especially given the funding disparities and publicity surrounding the lawsuit.

[55:40] Melissa Ford: Discusses historical power dynamics in the music industry, highlighting how past behaviors that were once normalized are now being scrutinized. She underscores the importance of consent and the evolving understanding of power relations.

[57:07] Parks: Emphasizes the need to address systemic corruption within institutions, advocating for accountability beyond traditional punitive measures. He critiques the normalization of sexual harassment and the hero worship culture that shields perpetrators.

4. Relationship Insights: Prenuptial Agreements and Personal Dynamics

[91:28] Parks: Shares personal views on prenuptial agreements, advocating for them as practical tools to prevent future conflicts. He contrasts his own decision-making with hypothetical scenarios involving high-profile individuals like Elon Musk.

[94:48] Melissa Ford: Reflects on the complexities of consent and the historical context of relationships in the entertainment industry. She stresses that terms like "consent" were not commonly used or understood in past decades, contributing to ongoing issues.

[99:32] Parks: Advises against overly idealizing relationships, suggesting that real accountability and open communication are essential. He cautions against promoting violence as a solution, advocating instead for systemic changes to address underlying problems.

5. Law and Order Segment: Analyzing Legal Cases and Systemic Issues

[36:00] Parks: Provides an in-depth analysis of the Kevin Lyles lawsuit against Lady Luck, discussing the legal strategies and societal implications of high-stakes allegations in the #MeToo era.

[37:08] Parks: Discusses Lyles' Instagram response, dissecting his approach to mitigating the lawsuit's impact by highlighting his support for Lady Luck and questioning her credibility based on her previous statements.

[43:41] Joe Budden: Challenges the panel's perspective, questioning whether their analysis undermines the importance of believing victims. The hosts clarify that their critique is specific to the financial demands and potential strategies used to handle the lawsuit.

[47:50] Melissa Ford: Differentiates between the severity of various cases, arguing that not all allegations warrant exorbitant financial penalties and emphasizing the need for proportional responses based on the context and evidence.

6. Sports Predictions and Commentary

[73:34] Parks: Engages in sports predictions, specifically discussing the New York Knicks' series performance and sharing optimistic views about their chances against the Pacers.

Notable Interaction:

• Joe Budden [74:05]: "I'll take it."
• Parks [74:04]: "I got 25 ahead."

7. Cooking Segment: Live Mac and Cheese Preparation

[104:46] Melissa Ford: Presents her live cooking segment where she prepares Mac and Cheese, explaining the ingredients and techniques used to achieve the desired consistency and flavor.

[161:25] Melissa Ford: Confirms that this was her second time making Mac and Cheese, with the first being during Thanksgiving in 2016.

[163:39] Joe Budden: Praises the dish humorously, likening its quality to that of someone inexperienced, but acknowledges the effort put into it.

[165:08] Melissa Ford: Recaps the cooking process, emphasizing the use of heavy whipping cream, evaporated milk, and multiple cheeses to create a rich and flavorful dish.

Notable Quote:

• Melissa Ford [32:20]: "It's just a little bit of a thickening agent. So I started with..."

8. Music and Promotional Segments

[79:53] Unknown: Performs a freestyle rap, blending personal anecdotes with cultural commentary.

[167:29] Ish: Compliments peers on their musical contributions, highlighting the collaborative spirit of the podcast community.

[71:38] G: Shouts out to contributors from Stream University, praising their efforts in supporting and uplifting young content creators.

9. Closing Remarks

[187:56] Parks: Reflects on the significance of systemic changes in addressing predatory behaviors within industries and emphasizes the need for accountability without relying solely on punitive measures.

[188:06] Joe Budden: Concludes the episode by expressing gratitude towards guests and listeners, reiterating the importance of supporting each other amidst ongoing societal challenges.

[191:25] Joe Budden: Signs off with well-wishes for viewers' personal milestones, such as prom preparations, and underscores the podcast's commitment to maintaining positive and supportive relationships.

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Notable Quotes:

• Parks [57:08]: "We have to have an honest conversation about the culture of institutions and organizations to understand how we got here."
• Melissa Ford [42:11]: "My default is to always believe victims. However, $30 million is... it's a big number."
• Joe Budden [35:00]: "Your cooking show should be with your relationship expert show."

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Conclusion: In Episode 829, "The Thickening Agent," Joe Budden and his friends navigate through a blend of celebratory moments, such as Melissa Ford's Gracie Award, and intense discussions on pressing societal issues like the Kevin Lyles lawsuit. The hosts delve into the complexities of consent, power dynamics in the entertainment industry, and the evolving nature of legal accountability in the #MeToo era. Interspersed with personal anecdotes, sports predictions, and live cooking segments, the episode offers a comprehensive look into the multifaceted conversations that define "The Joe Budden Podcast." The episode concludes with affirming messages of support and camaraderie, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to addressing both personal and systemic challenges.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Melissa Ford]

How's everybody doing?

[Ish]

Feeling great?

[Melissa Ford]

Awesome.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Melissa Ford]

Awesome. Awesome.

[Parks]

Mel, you got an extra glow to you today.

[Melissa Ford]

Do I?

[Parks]

Yes.

[Evan]

Yeah, you do.

[Parks]

First of all, you came in smiling, shining.

[Melissa Ford]

I did.

[Parks]

Spoke to everybody.

[Ish]

You really hyped about the Mac and cheese.

[Parks]

Shit was lit.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

Came with the pan. Right.

[Evan]

She walked in and said, where's my theme music? I did on the walking.

[Ish]

What would the theme music be?

[Evan]

Yeah, what would you want us to have played?

[Flip]

She said, the champ is here.

[Melissa Ford]

The champ is here.

[Joe Budden]

Let me see if that's in the serato for Big Mountain.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. This lamp is here.

[Joe Budden]

Have you heard it before?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, I have.

[Evan]

You caught the subliminals?

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, there's no subliminals. It's like. It's blatant. It's outright. Yes. There we go.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Skewed up, skewed up. Whenever you ready. Uh oh.

[Melissa Ford]

Ready?

[Joe Budden]

Uh oh.

[Melissa Ford]

Been ready. Oh, born ready.

[Parks]

This is my.

[Melissa Ford]

Right here.

[Joe Budden]

This is the evil genius Green Lantern. Okay.

[Evan]

A lot.

[G]

Add some more to that. Come on. That's just a. Yeah, there you go.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Mel is pulled out.

[Flip]

Ice cream.

[Joe Budden]

Mel has pulled out her Gracie Award, and it's kind of heavy. She curled it. Hold up, make some noise. Hold up.

[G]

Make some noise.

[Unknown]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Hooty Hood. Too quiet in the room right now. Act like y' all been around a Gracie Award winner before.

[Evan]

Ain't nobody else ever pulled that box out.

[G]

That's a fact.

[Melissa Ford]

That's right.

[G]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Phrase. Yeah.

[G]

How do you feel?

[Melissa Ford]

I feel.

[G]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have a speech?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, Mark already acknowledged my glow, so that might be part of the reason.

[G]

That's not the speech. That's not the speech.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, I would like to thank everybody for, you know, for acknowledging this win. I would like to thank my cast here for constantly being supportive. Give yourself a round of applause.

[Parks]

Thank you.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. Thank you. All right. I would like to thank the alliance for Women in Media. Thank you so much for this prestigious national award. Thank you very much. And I'd also like to thank my haters who are very, very quiet right now. Haven't heard a peep out of y' all. Not a Peep. And y' all are going to be.

[Parks]

So sick of me.

[G]

Well, because maybe they don't know what the.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, you're. You right. They probably. You're right. They probably don't know what this award is. They probably have no clue what this award is because they will never get into the room to win this award.

[Ish]

Reverse car.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Parks]

Was very good.

[Melissa Ford]

An award that has been given to Oprah Winfrey, to Hoda Kot, to Gayle King and every else.

[G]

You, everyone, and Melissa mother talk about it.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[G]

I also noticed something.

[Melissa Ford]

What did you notice?

[G]

Notice you got some new earrings. Who bought them? Baby, I was watching.

[Parks]

How did you notice that?

[G]

We bought the shits. It was shining. Her shits used to be cloudy. I'm like, these shits are shining.

[Joe Budden]

I can't see.

[Melissa Ford]

So.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, make some noise, man. Stop playing with Big Mel.

[G]

You ain't buy that yourself.

[Melissa Ford]

I. You know what? As a matter of fact, I did. I bought them as a congratulatory gift to myself.

[G]

Shout out to you, man.

[Joe Budden]

Talk that shit.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to you.

[G]

It looks nice.

[Evan]

Love it.

[G]

It looks nice. Please don't lie. Did somebody give you the money to buy it? Like some old school shit, yo. Yeah, buy yourself a gift.

[Parks]

It felt like Anti Gracie to ask that question, but I was wondering that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no. I bought them as a congratulations to myself.

[G]

You win the chaos.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, K's.

[G]

Did you go into K's?

[Melissa Ford]

I did not go into K's.

[G]

You went to a jeweler?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[G]

Okay, good. It looks nice. I'm proud of you.

[Joe Budden]

Now shout out to all the women in the category that we beat.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to all the women in the category that we beat.

[G]

Too much to name?

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

50 of them.

[G]

It's too much to name. But you.

[Melissa Ford]

Too many to name? Yes, but. Yes.

[Parks]

What's the category?

[Melissa Ford]

The category is. Hold on.

[G]

Oh, you don't even know the category.

[Melissa Ford]

I know.

[G]

Next year we ain't give our shit.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm reading the official engraving on the Gracie Award.

[Parks]

Sure.

[G]

You just be accepting shakes. Hey. Thank you.

[Melissa Ford]

That's hate. That's hate. But it's okay.

[Parks]

Give me a category.

[G]

That's okay. Give me a category.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't dab him. Don't dab him up. Don't dab him up.

[Flip]

You're right.

[Parks]

You're right. I take my dad back.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Sit your ass down.

[Parks]

I would draw my dab.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Parks]

Aw.

[Ish]

So happy you all can make it.

[Joe Budden]

To see me again.

[G]

Mel.

[Parks]

You all come.

[Joe Budden]

Mel.

[Melissa Ford]

Hot and Bothered with Melissa Ford Original Online Programming Video Podcast. That's what that says. Engraved Dope.

[Joe Budden]

That's the category.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. That was the category that I won in. And there was a lot of incredible women in that room. A lot of amazing stories. I felt. I felt.

[Joe Budden]

Who else was in the category?

[Melissa Ford]

I felt like I was amongst my ilk. It doesn't matter who else. Everybody that says honor being nominated. Yeah, until you win.

[G]

Samantha.

[Joe Budden]

Samantha.

[Ish]

Shit.

[Evan]

Oh, God.

[G]

Samantha dodges.

[Melissa Ford]

Bam.

[G]

The podcast about.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop the hate campaign. Just congratulate your little sis.

[G]

Just.

[Melissa Ford]

Just congratulate.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Melissa Ford]

It's a great.

[Parks]

It's a big honor.

[G]

We're extremely proud.

[Parks]

Extremely proud.

[Joe Budden]

What'd you say, Mark?

[Parks]

For an award for all. It's all for women, right?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, it's. The organization is the alliance for Women in Media.

[Parks]

That's dope. Why do they make the award so phallic? I was just genuinely curious.

[Ish]

You think it's.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, this is actually, you know, Is it a woman? Yes, it's a woman.

[Joe Budden]

I said that shit.

[Melissa Ford]

It's based off of grace. It's a Gracie.

[Ish]

It does look a little bit like.

[Evan]

A little Tati wand.

[Joe Budden]

A little bit.

[Parks]

Turn it around for me.

[Evan]

It looks a little turned around.

[Parks]

Okay, now it's okay. Now I see it.

[Melissa Ford]

You guys are. You guys need help?

[Parks]

From this angle, I can't see a woman. It just looks like. Now I see it.

[G]

Like a woman.

[Ish]

Or like an ice cream scoop.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that part looks like a woman.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. I'll skip my inappropriate joke.

[Melissa Ford]

Why join in in the fun?

[Ish]

I mean, pizza cutter me.

[Joe Budden]

There's only one way to be able to tell. Look at that shit, yo.

[G]

Original online pro. This shit is crazy. I'm proud of you.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Parks]

That's dope, yo.

[G]

Yeah, yo, yo, I'm so proud, yo.

[Melissa Ford]

So I went and bought myself a case for all my future wins.

[G]

Ah, for the Gracie. Like you just straight going for Gracie.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no, no, no. I'm going for all of them. I'm going for all of them. Naacp. Webby, I'm going all of them.

[G]

NAACP is a tricky one for you. What side are you gonna stand?

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. Cut him off.

[Joe Budden]

Help me, Maud.

[G]

Help me.

[Parks]

The C is for color. She good?

[G]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

I got you the C. You're good.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[G]

She's black, so she can win an naac.

[Parks]

She could totally win an naac.

[G]

I mean, she's eligible, but can she win it without. Without payola?

[Parks]

I don't think she.

[Melissa Ford]

There's no such thing as payola in the naacp. It's all merit. It's all merit based.

[Parks]

Everything Melissa award she's gonna get is gonna be because she's earned it and I believe it.

[Melissa Ford]

Thanks, man.

[Parks]

I think you can get all of them. I actually was thinking bigger. Don't just think Webby, though. Like, go beyond egot.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, I.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Egot.

[Ish]

Yeah, egot. Well, you act.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. You could get.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. I'm just talking strictly about podcasting here.

[Parks]

I see.

[Ish]

I see you on Broadway.

[Joe Budden]

We just letting Mandy know what's good right now.

[Melissa Ford]

So. Yeah, I actually have been off Broadway, though.

[Ish]

Oh, okay. See, you're right in the. You're in the running, you're in the game.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. You know. Yeah.

[G]

Thank you.

[Ish]

Put out a little spoken word album or something? No, you got the ego tied up.

[Parks]

You right there.

[G]

And one more time, round of applause for me.

[Ish]

This is for Hooty.

[Joe Budden]

Hoot. Hooty. Fucking Hooty.

[G]

We missed all you bitches that we don't know about. We never heard. Which is five. Alyssa Ford came and smoked you out the park. We are proud.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

[Ish]

One of the best diss tracks ever.

[G]

Who got dissing? His record, man.

[Melissa Ford]

It's subliminal. You gotta listen carefully. That's true.

[Ish]

Yeah, I never thought about that one.

[Parks]

Yeah, that technically works, but still.

[Evan]

I call.

[Joe Budden]

Mike Jack.

[Unknown]

Hey, yo, yo, shut the up for our black.

[Ish]

All this is so fun.

[Melissa Ford]

Like who's he talking to?

[G]

Yeah, somebody, somebody.

[Unknown]

If I ain't scrapped that means I took them off for night years get offline y' all talk like little children I ride mine like when I walk up in the building Cuz I catch hands in the winter hot flirting your block the best way professionally no five poisons into your ex Sit on my wall taking shots of Louie to a fall nothing to lose just load the clip up in the groove and K rounds to the poster do I swear big move my team you would think was on Thorzine how we floor don't give a with his.

[Parks]

Make lock it down y' all know.

[Unknown]

Where to buy it now being matt.

[G]

I supply it now my squad roll.

[Parks]

Deep and foreign cars with two cheats couple of five or six, a few jeeps.

[Joe Budden]

I need one of y' all to be a DJ in the club. If I get a DJ in the club over this right now, I'll go body something outside. I'll go outside and slide something. If somebody just starts screaming right that second over the song, I'mma go air Something out say less bag enough coke to last a few weeks.

[Evan]

You got it.

[Ish]

These niggas want to pass in a few heats.

[Unknown]

You really that's.

[G]

Best for you to keep on walking.

[Unknown]

If I kill you, I probably do 10 in the box.

[Joe Budden]

Happy birthday, kids. Why yo, what up out there?

[Unknown]

Why you grilling a lot if this rap don't work? Still in the spot, you bring it to me?

[Joe Budden]

I got them on your ass in them streets. I heard him nice.

[Parks]

And the price is much cheaper.

[G]

Put it on tape.

[Unknown]

You going to buy it?

[Parks]

I put it in the bag.

[Unknown]

You going to try it?

[Parks]

Yeah. Sleeping my hard hat no matter if I'm opening up.

[Joe Budden]

Let go, man. Come on.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I ain't got it.

[Joe Budden]

It's bedtime.

[Unknown]

Anything I'm on is the classic. Any nigga ever had beef with son is a bastard. Anytime I spit, spit acid lox.

[Parks]

Rough Rider, you heard? We got the game.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in is. Yeah, I mean, keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe, man. Get these drops out the way real quick. Excuse me, sir, I'm sorry, I have way. Kill your doctor and. Mel, Mel, Mel. All right, what episode is this?

[Ish]

829.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 829 of the JOE Button podcast. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, highly favorite host, Joe Button here. Not for a long time either. My boys play tonight.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

My boy gotta be in front of the TV tonight.

[Parks]

Dodged a bit the bullet on Friday, nigga.

[G]

Uh huh.

[Parks]

I was about to show up at your door talking shit when y' all was down 20. I was lacing up my sneaks, dog. I know you was feeling sick when you thought they was about to be down 20.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's when we really start playing. Oh God.

[Parks]

That's what y' all was waiting for.

[Joe Budden]

First team in a play by play era to come back from a 20 point Deverson three times in the playoffs. I mean, come on, man.

[Parks]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

It's Nick stuff. I told you. Worry about summer camp. Scouting reports, looking at the young players, seeing what you're gonna do with that third pick. I mean, lottery team shouldn't really.

[Parks]

I mean, you know what? You got me just two more. Two more games. Told you. Paces in five.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, we comfortable on the road, but we'll talk about this later.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Indeed. This episode is brought to you by Fueled by power, by prize picks. Prize picks. Gang to my right.

[Melissa Ford]

Come on, man, you know the vibes.

[G]

Gracie Award.

[Ish]

Graciest.

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing with her.

[G]

Acting like she was on the highway. But she was really in the crib, huh? Cause I went back and listened to that episode. Get the lies off. Ms. I' Ma Bake the Mac and cheese in real time. And you guys are gonna taste it in the pod. Round of applause for the winner. Miss Melissa Savannah Ford.

[Joe Budden]

Winner.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[G]

All right. You know who I am. You know what I'm about. You know what I came here to do. The jbp. We are here. Queens motherfucking flag to my light skinned man is back.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[G]

White men can jump according to him, but if they do, they break their limbs. I hear you. You know who that is? Nigga Rooftop. Missing, but still look good. Cause of the eyes. Library. Round of applause. My man is right, nigga. I wear shorts with a hoodie, nigga. Cause I know it's goody Mr. Beast at home, she know what time it is. Shades. Shades. Shades. Shades. While throwing shade. Round of applause for my nigga Free.

[Joe Budden]

Big Freeze is right.

[G]

You know who that is. Escape the cult. Escape the cult and got his doctrines, his masters. People don't get it. While he was in there, he had to leave. He survived homelessness. Big Miz survive homelessness. He is the that beat the bear. Talk about he fought the bear and won intellectually. Round of applause for my men. Who has people on his night school show doing shit while he runs up the donations. My man, Dr. Lamar.

[Melissa Ford]

Mark Lamar.

[G]

We got the best in the world. Best in the world. Why you think we sound the way we sound? We could yell and the fucking levels be the same. Round of fucking applause for the German engineer, my man, Piggity Parks. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Ish]

Happy to be here.

[G]

And everybody else, salute. Salute Erickson.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Parks]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

Peace. Peace. Everybody else, everybody else.

[G]

Love y' all.

[Joe Budden]

All you good, gang. Thank you. No problem.

[Melissa Ford]

That was excellent.

[G]

Yeah, we in the building.

[Evan]

You gotta do that all the time. That was kind of fire.

[G]

Yeah. I love y' all. I love y' all. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Look at phony ass nigga, man. You gotta do that all the time. I'm just saying, he got. He kind of ill with it. Audience. I'm a little under the weather, so I ain't gonna be here for too long. But I missed everybody, so I'm stopping by. But damn, Freeze. Way to turn cold.

[Evan]

No, I ain't turning cold, man.

[Joe Budden]

It's all.

[Evan]

It's all for the team.

[Joe Budden]

Way to put it in the.

[G]

We said shade. We did say shade with the shades.

[Parks]

We did say we gonna leave first, then be like. Like this. The squad right Here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

That'S coming for sure.

[Evan]

This is it right here. We got it.

[Parks]

Yo, what the Is wrong with you, though, man? I don't like how you sounding.

[Joe Budden]

I'm worried about you. My son just got me sick, okay? That's all. And then he got better, okay. And I didn't.

[Parks]

You sound like you got a sinus infection.

[Joe Budden]

That's all.

[Parks]

I got a little. Some homeopathic stuff if you want to point.

[Flip]

Little garlic, colloidal, silver.

[Parks]

Wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

Oil of oregano.

[Joe Budden]

I strike you as homeopathic?

[Parks]

Yes, Actually, yes. First, yes. Second, I'll send you some stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. I'd appreciate that. Yeah.

[G]

What should he take for his sinuses?

[Joe Budden]

He should do some.

[Parks]

What would you say? Ish. I know you colloidal, so I would do that. I would do some. Always do some vitamin C. Always do some garlic.

[G]

Healthy, natural stuff.

[Parks]

You ain't gotta take the. Or take an antibiotic.

[Flip]

Zinc.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Man, I'm trying to get him. Get some amoxicillin in there, too.

[G]

That's the we take when we get burnt.

[Joe Budden]

You got chlamydia in the nose.

[Flip]

How do you know that?

[Parks]

I'm about to say you don't know enough words to know amoxicillin.

[G]

I had a pack of amoxicillin. Boy say a girl saw that in my cabinet and didn't give me no box. Nigga, I know what amoxicillin is. It haunts me. Yes, yes.

[Flip]

She ain't giving you no box.

[G]

Cause of amoxicillin. Yeah, girls used to do that. Girls.

[Parks]

The bottle was still full.

[G]

They come and look. I didn't even know that as a. I didn't know that women went through your stuff like that. When I do that, I don't. I didn't know that. She went into my. I never forgot. She went into my cabinet, took a picture of it, and then sent me a text later.

[Melissa Ford]

We 1000% do that.

[Flip]

Men do that.

[Parks]

Y' all don't do that?

[G]

No. Hell no. I'm not going in the girl's house and go search a cabinet and.

[Ish]

Oh, I might.

[Parks]

Oh, I'm gonna take a piece.

[G]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But what. No.

[G]

Y' all niggas is crazy.

[Parks]

I went on a date. I went on a date one time. Yeah. I went.

[Flip]

I seen it.

[Parks]

I go to the bathroom.

[Flip]

On purpose?

[Parks]

Yeah. First thing I do, people in the medicine cabinet, hope nothing fall. I look in there, look for shit, and if I see a bottle that looks suspect because, you know, everybody slip pills in the.

[Flip]

Yeah, you jump right on Google.

[Parks]

Yo, white Pill three, four.

[Evan]

What the fuck is this?

[G]

Valtrex.

[Flip]

In the Valtrex, I seen one.

[Parks]

I seen Valtrex.

[Flip]

I was seeing.

[Parks]

I got breaking news. Like, that was my. That was my exit on outdates. I got breaking news.

[Ish]

I got breaking news.

[Parks]

And then I would just bounce. I was cool.

[Ish]

Look at the journalist.

[Joe Budden]

I had one time and found vouchers.

[Flip]

I swear to God, dead ass, I did.

[Joe Budden]

So how did you handle that?

[Parks]

I wasn't joking. I said I got breaking news and.

[Joe Budden]

Never spoke to her again.

[G]

No, I'm not supposed to.

[Parks]

On the street, like you're. But, like, date. No.

[Joe Budden]

How'd you handle it?

[Flip]

It's my homegirl.

[Joe Budden]

How'd you.

[G]

You went through your home?

[Parks]

Wait, were you with your homegirl?

[G]

That's bitch is crazy.

[Flip]

Nah, I mean, me and Shorty was talking, but she's still my homegirl to this day.

[Parks]

But.

[Flip]

But we ain't never getting no.

[Melissa Ford]

She knows.

[Flip]

Yeah, dead ass.

[Parks]

That's how she entered the friend zone.

[G]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Well, y' all know it's not always on.

[Flip]

I know, but it ain't always on.

[Evan]

Looking like over there.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

What you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I'm just joking.

[G]

Crazy Val tracks.

[Parks]

Anyway, I'll send you some of my Sicilian.

[G]

Thank you, man, but we're happy that you're here, man.

[Joe Budden]

Got that from Dr. Sebi himself. Ain't just a regular.

[G]

Yeah, he got this.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[G]

He got the. You know, he pray over there. He speak to the ancestors and. And get this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[G]

Sinners.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Ms. Ms. Writing the book right now on the seventies.

[Ish]

How's everyone's memorial Day cookouts?

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Great family, which I did.

[Evan]

Big family.

[G]

I was outside running around, you know, just running around. I was barbecue hopping.

[Ish]

Okay.

[G]

And I was just going to different barbecues and, you know, getting plates. I don't really eat that much, but it was.

[Parks]

You went to barbecues, huh? You went to barbecues? Yeah. You remember you supposed to call me? Hit you right then after that was a nigga, huh?

[G]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You supposed to text me where you ended up.

[G]

I ended up in Queens. And then Junior did bring your name up. I said. He said, we in Brooklyn. By the time you brought your name up, it was too late. It's too late. You know what I mean? I wanted to see.

[Parks]

I say, you know, niggas don't fuck with you.

[G]

I fuck with you.

[Joe Budden]

Heavy.

[G]

You crazy. Listen, it's not about us. I went to different barbecues, and it was great. Documented and, you know, felt good about it. You did. Ish.

[Flip]

I ain't leave the House.

[G]

Did you have something to eat?

[Flip]

I mean regular. I wasn't no barbecue.

[G]

Hot dogs, hamburgers.

[Flip]

I don't eat that.

[G]

Okay, got you.

[Flip]

Stop your fish and again veggies.

[Evan]

But it's cool. That's what I ate.

[Flip]

But y' all didn't go to no cookouts. I ain't go to no barbecue.

[G]

Let me guess what you eat at a cookout. Yeah, let me guess. Mother in law went and got the fresh fish out the lake. You know your big up your family. Yo, my family cooking fresh.

[Flip]

Got it, bro.

[Evan]

What? I eat at a cookout.

[G]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Cause you said you don't eat burgers and hot dogs and shit.

[Parks]

You don't.

[Melissa Ford]

You don't eat red meat.

[Joe Budden]

Turkey burgers.

[Evan]

Turkey burgers.

[Parks]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Evan]

You take them with you.

[Flip]

Chicken.

[Ish]

You bring your chicken.

[Parks]

You bring them with you.

[Ish]

You got a little cooler.

[Evan]

Excuse me, can you tell me three.

[Joe Budden]

Of these.

[Evan]

Car spot right there for me? Yeah.

[Flip]

Only eat these on this side.

[G]

But they're cooking it on top of something. They don't move it over and clean the. They cook it right on top of the beef.

[Flip]

It ain't that serious. My turkey burgers and chicken.

[Parks]

Say no more.

[G]

Free. What we did free.

[Evan]

My girl's daughter birthday. So we had a little birthday party for her.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Evan]

That's kid shit for me. I ain't no cookouts no nothing. But it was amazing. Had my phone off damn near. I ain't really have to deal with no family.

[Melissa Ford]

That's nice and relaxing.

[Evan]

Yes. I'm starting to realize. Yeah. Yeah.

[G]

Starting to realize that that's your bag though. You be like taking like regular ordinary and putting like 10 or 20 on it. No, I started to realize getting my phone. If only offer you sleep.

[Evan]

No, it does, but that's my problem.

[G]

I started to realize going to the kitchen by yourself. This is a great. I love it because yo, you be right. But I'm like, this is regular shit we should be doing.

[Evan]

I don't talk. That's my problem. I turn my shit off.

[G]

My family agree with you. Started realizing I love what you doing. Pretty right. But you have fun with the family and shit like that.

[Flip]

I said putting a 10 on 20 on it.

[Parks]

You stupid.

[G]

No, you didn't do nothing.

[Parks]

Nah. Our babysitter bailed on us Friday. I was actually trying to kick it with Ice and Joe on Saturday and the babysitter bailed that morning. So we ended up having kids all weekend, which was fine. Our kid. But then. So I had my daughter, my oldest daughter come with her kids. So we just made it. So I had the grandkids. So I just had all the kids at the house for the weekend. We took them to Turtleback Zoo yesterday for Memorial Day.

[G]

Which daughter? The oldest.

[Parks]

Yeah, the oldest. Yeah. The one that has two kids. Yep. The one that I met more recently. So I drove them up, had a car bring them up from Philly with the kids.

[Ish]

Your newest oldest.

[Parks]

My newest oldest.

[G]

How did that feel, man?

[Parks]

It was great, man. My son got to spend some time with his nieces, his four and one year old nieces. Some real hood shit, you know, and they had a ball at the zoo. They didn't want to leave.

[G]

How did they fight each other?

[Joe Budden]

Did you have to have a talk, like, before she got there with anybody?

[Parks]

No, no. Everybody know. Everybody know everything. So there's no secrets. You know, he. He gets a little confused with understanding, like the family member thing. So I just say they're your cousins for now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[G]

His communication, you know, because, you know.

[Parks]

Yo came back speaking English like a. Like last week out of no, Like, I have never heard him speak English before. But I think the key.

[G]

Well, he spoke it up here. I told you.

[Parks]

He told us a couple words to you because you know what I mean? And y' all had a good dialogue. He's like, right, right.

[G]

I had to pace myself a little bit. You know what I mean? Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

My man.

[G]

Real quick. Did you have to watch the kids? You know, sometimes when kids meet each other, they start to play rough. How was that?

[Parks]

Well, they've hung out before, but they are rough. The older one is the roughest, but she also likes to be a big sister, so I had to just kind of watch to make sure they didn't get too rough.

[G]

And those are your grandchildren. Would you tell them like, yo.

[Parks]

Yeah, I checked them and it's all love. So we had a good time. Everything was smooth. The hardest part was getting them to go home. Like, everybody wanted to spend the night and I wanted them to stay, but just stay at school tomorrow.

[G]

Got it.

[Parks]

But it was. It was wearing three kids. Wear you out?

[G]

Got you.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I a See, I. I ain't used to that life.

[G]

Yeah.

[Flip]

One kid wear you out?

[G]

Facts, did you? The box.

[Ish]

Oh, I went upstate, saw family, cooked out, had a great time, man. Friends and family came through, big dinner. 15, 20 people.

[Joe Budden]

Beautiful taste.

[G]

Beautiful Memorial Day. I do dinners, huh?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Well, Memorial Day is my sister, niece, nephew, sister, mom's birthday. All's in the same week.

[Melissa Ford]

Holy shit.

[Ish]

So.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Ish]

It's A big deal.

[G]

Mel, you won an award.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, that was earlier in last week. And so Memorial Day I was sleeping because I'd just flown back on a red eye. But the weekend I was at a wedding. It was nice.

[G]

Did you bring the Gracie with you?

[Melissa Ford]

I did not bring the Gracie to the award or to the wedding?

[Parks]

No.

[Flip]

Did you say that was her date?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

Oh, wow.

[G]

Was the wedding nice?

[Melissa Ford]

The wedding was beautiful. The wedding was beautiful. It was my friend Taylor and her now husband Josh. Congratulations to them. Everybody looked amazing. It was. It was lovely. So yeah, that was what I did on. Sorry. It was Sunday. It was Sunday. Yeah.

[G]

Good. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

It was good. It was good. And Monday, Monday I was sleeping because I flew. I flew in on a red. I landed at like 5 in the morning and there was always California. Yeah, those are kind of like you.

[G]

Up and you, you was just in the crib. You just relaxed.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely nothing for me the entire weekend outside of the Under Armour camp I was went to with my stepson and my girl.

[Ish]

Oh, how'd that go?

[G]

And how did that go, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

I was in the crib. It was cool. It was freezing out there, but it was good.

[Evan]

You got any coach talking? You got any more coach talking?

[Joe Budden]

No, not that day. No, not that day. Not that day. You ain't learn.

[Flip]

You ain't learn about the back pedal. Keep your hips straight.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they was doing all that. They was doing all that fancy.

[G]

They was doing that.

[Joe Budden]

So shout out to them. That was cool. I was supposed to go to the play the Tank play with you guys but canceled that. Yeah, I just been out so I ain't been doing. And now my brother, my brothers are preparing for a prom.

[G]

Yes.

[Evan]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Joe Budden]

And we having a lot of trouble with the generational gaps. And the last time I went to a prom and my dad went to prom we don't really know all the rules. And the kids keep changing shit now.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, they want your comp so like they wear well.

[Joe Budden]

First of all, how they getting dressed is different from how we got dressed.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Did I go to the regular. The regular spot?

[Joe Budden]

We didn't go to regular spots. But they doing kicks and tuxes.

[Evan]

Cuss.

[Joe Budden]

They just making a. It's a big. To do a lot more of a production today than.

[Evan]

Crowns are approaching wetting prices.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Parks]

Damn.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Evan]

Real talk.

[Flip]

No, it's expensive.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Like they're approaching. They're approaching on tick tock.

[Joe Budden]

These little kids are. They. They're showing these pages that are showing how elaborate it. Some of these prom Shits are helicopters.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Getting the chop.

[Joe Budden]

So anyway, so that's the thing. My little. My little brother calls me yesterday and says, yo, dog, you know the promise next week, need that car.

[Flip]

Oh, he said it like that.

[Ish]

Which, which, which car?

[Joe Budden]

Pretty much you're talking about the Maybach. We kind of had some of these talks already. And I was like, all right, well, who's supposed to be driving? And he was like, pop. Pop said he would drive.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

I said, so tell Pop to call me. That's it, right? Pop calls the next day, says, hey, Ethan wants me to drive him for the prom. That only means a one way, right? He was dead serious.

[Parks]

He would have made back up at Uber.

[Joe Budden]

I said, no, Pop, you have to pick them up, up too and take them. He said, no, they going home.

[Evan]

No, they're not.

[Joe Budden]

I said, then you still need to take them home. They can't Uber from the prom. So we're dealing with prom stuff right now. That's how old I am.

[Parks]

Can your brother not drive?

[Joe Budden]

He cannot drive my car.

[Evan]

Can't drive that.

[G]

And Joe would. Would you drive them? Would that be something you.

[Joe Budden]

That's what my dad said. My dad said, if it's a one way trip, Joey, why you don't just drive?

[Ish]

Why don't you have.

[G]

Yeah, why?

[Evan]

They can handle your driver.

[G]

Yeah, Joe. Yeah, but they want. They want the experience. They want Joe to Pop to open the door. It's an experience when it comes to that. When you open the door, you stand there and take pictures. So I understand what they want, but I don't understand, why wouldn't. Why wouldn't they ask their brother?

[Joe Budden]

I told Pop I would just get him a chauffeur. One of them. Luxury show.

[G]

Yeah. Open the door for the night.

[Evan]

Yeah, yeah, they do that.

[G]

Hell yeah. That's the best.

[Evan]

I forgot about you. You can't use it. So.

[Flip]

So Anthony not going.

[Joe Budden]

He's a whole nother story. All right? He had the wrong date for his girl's prom. Oh, Lord. Oh. And then he. Cat, she casually just said, yo, you know, the promise tomorrow. So he's running around right this second trying to prepare for a prom that's tonight. Oh, my God. And then his prom is next week with my brother. So it's prom madness right now is all I'm saying. Shout out to anybody prepping to go to a prom out there. Yeah, prepping your kids for a prom.

[Evan]

Good luck to y' all. Yeah, some of them is under pressure.

[Flip]

Nah, shit. Different. It's different. Like when people Start telling me about all the prices, dues and this, and I'm like, what? Just to get to the prom, you spend four figures? That shit is crazy.

[G]

Just to get.

[Flip]

No, I'm talking about to get there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying? I ain't telling Top the. They got drop top Rolls Royces, all.

[Evan]

Types of wild crate.

[Joe Budden]

The problem is how our friend groups back in the day all stopped talking to each other. Cause we went and got the stretch limo Lincoln that all of the parents were supposed to chip in. And then somebody parents and everybody got crazy and then all hell broke loose. And now we can't talk to each other no more.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Until Sharon give me my money.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God. Hey, yo, seriously.

[G]

I drove to my shit real quick. Mel brought the macaroni and cheese.

[Melissa Ford]

I did.

[G]

And she started to make on live. Prep on live.

[Ish]

I watched a little bit. I was intrigued.

[Joe Budden]

I sent that right to the group text you had immediately when I saw Mel on Insta Live cooking Mac and cheese, looking like it was her first time ever touching any of that shit. Looking like she was reading directions as she was going. Oh, I sent that right.

[Melissa Ford]

I was not reading directions.

[Ish]

You had the script right behind the phone.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you did.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I did not.

[Ish]

You're on recipes.com.

[Evan]

Patti LaBelle.

[Melissa Ford]

No, actually, I did not have Patti LaBelle.

[G]

NoSelle.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I, I. Franklin.

[Evan]

Was it a black person's recipe?

[G]

It. It's hers.

[Evan]

That's my only question.

[Melissa Ford]

It's my. It's my recipe that has been. That was inspired by my aunties.

[G]

They said you put sour cream onties.

[Melissa Ford]

Not my aunt. My aunties.

[Joe Budden]

On which side?

[Melissa Ford]

She said aunties.

[Flip]

She's saying aunt behind by saying aunties.

[Melissa Ford]

Aunties, Aunt now. Yes. What did you ask me?

[G]

I read in the comments that they said you put sour cream in it.

[Parks]

Yes, I think some aunt slipped in there.

[G]

That's a dab of aunt.

[Ish]

A dollar for the aunt.

[Melissa Ford]

It's just a dollop. Exactly.

[G]

Was that the Russian side? Because the Beijing side don't do that. Caribbean. We don't do that.

[Melissa Ford]

Not Caribbean.

[Evan]

Yeah, but y' all can't make Mac and cheese at all. So y' all Caribbean don't talk.

[G]

Yeah, I don't eat macaroni pie or cheese. That is true, but I'd rather that than putting sour cream and macaroni and cheese.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get to the explanation of the sour cream.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, it's just a. It's just a little.

[G]

A binding.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a. Thank you very much. I was Gonna say it's like a little bit of a thickening agent. A little bit of a thickening agent. So I started with.

[G]

The white man looking like that. If the white man looking at the sky, yo, if that shit tastes nasty, I gotta tell me.

[Melissa Ford]

I start. Listen, I boiled the pasta. I started making the roux, you know, shout out to you, and shit was. It was lit. I was very proud of myself, and I did it on live to prove that I actually made it from scratch so you guys couldn't talk shit that I bought it.

[G]

I'm gonna keep it real. I don't know why you did it.

[Joe Budden]

Did you use sour cream and milk?

[Melissa Ford]

I used heavy whipping cream.

[Joe Budden]

And heavy cream.

[Melissa Ford]

I used heavy whipping cream.

[Joe Budden]

And evaporated milk.

[Melissa Ford]

And evaporated milk.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. I should have taken a picture. Actually, I did. I took a picture of all the ingredients that I used. I had, like, five different cheeses.

[G]

You know why I'm proud of you, though?

[Melissa Ford]

Tell me why.

[G]

I'm gonna tell you the truth.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, Go ahead.

[G]

So once you wasn't here, you saw the seat was. The seat was a little hot.

[Melissa Ford]

Jesus Christ.

[G]

You had to go make some shit alive. I'm still here. Guys, guys.

[Parks]

That's what it took.

[G]

I still. My girl went quick.

[Melissa Ford]

No, actually. Actually, it's because I honor the bets up here on this. Oh, what? Oh, yeah. That's why.

[G]

Give me my $100 right now. Give me back my $100 right now.

[Melissa Ford]

Actually, no, because that was the bet. Mark bet me that I would not make Mac and cheese.

[G]

All of a sudden you proactive? Once. Once the hot seat left.

[Melissa Ford]

Who. Who are you referring to?

[G]

I don't want to get. I don't want to throw no names out there, but what I'm saying is that I like that you did that.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[G]

I looked at it. I'm like, yeah, man. We not going out without a fizzy. We not going out without a fight. How? They was hyper. Memorial nigga said, hold up. Nigga was like this all the time, making noise while she was grating the shit out. She said, I'm still here, y' all. Look, her numbers went up, too. I'm like, oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

800.

[G]

Let's go. Yeah. Don't let these n just. We ain't gonna.

[Parks]

Come on.

[Ish]

I can't wait to try it.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Parks]

When do we get to.

[G]

Are we gonna be. I don't eat macaroni and cheese, Mark and I, but are y' all gonna be odd?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Please be honest.

[G]

I think the most honest one Would be.

[Melissa Ford]

Please be honest. I mean, I know that you are on a new lifestyle eating plan. Ish. But please, just.

[Ish]

There's no sugar in this.

[Melissa Ford]

Just take a bite.

[Joe Budden]

Now. You know.

[Melissa Ford]

Sugar crust.

[Ish]

Low cinnamon.

[G]

Low cinnamon.

[Joe Budden]

It's a thickening agent.

[Parks]

Have you ever made this before? Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

That was how the whole conversation happened is that nobody believed that I've ever made Mac and cheese before. Actually, people. Y' all don't believe I cook, but nobody believed that I've made Mac and cheese before. I was like, I make great Mac and cheese.

[Ish]

Now we see you cook for days a year.

[Joe Budden]

Your cooking show should be with your relationship expert show. Yeah, I told you Mark was on to something.

[G]

Okay, let's go, Mark.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, let's see. Hey, listen, I might turn.

[Parks]

Did you say ish? Astrophysicist.

[Evan]

Oh, shit.

[Flip]

Say nothing.

[G]

No, I'm talking about last episode.

[Flip]

I don't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Then.

[Melissa Ford]

It was kind of lit, so I might do.

[Joe Budden]

But when Mel falls in love and does her housewife thing, do y' all think her dude is gonna ever say something about her cooking to her?

[Melissa Ford]

You know what he says?

[Ish]

Let's get a chance.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm actually quite surprised how good this is. That's what I always get. That's everything.

[Ish]

I'm actually quite surprised.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not the.

[G]

Mel, shut your ass off. You just looked at the camera and.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he did.

[G]

You just talked to somebody at the camera.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[G]

Yo. All right, all right. We see what we doing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we got a great show lined up. We do. That's what we do.

[G]

We do. We do.

[Parks]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

Where you want to go?

[Parks]

Do we want to start with controversy? I mean, all this court shit, I feel like we kind of have it. I kind of want to get it out the way. How y' all feel about it?

[G]

I'm doing it. I'm down with you.

[Parks]

I'm talking specifically about this Kevin Lyles thing.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Evan]

What's going on with Kevin Lyles?

[Parks]

Another lawsuit. Let me pull it up. It's. Kevin Lyles has been accused, as seems to be the string in the business for the last five, six years of people getting accused of sexual misconduct. This one is from Lady Luck, and this one surprised me for a few reasons. But Kevin Lyles has responded. If you go to his Instagram, you can see the full explanation.

[Joe Budden]

He responded. He's how I learned about it.

[Parks]

That's an interesting way to think about it.

[Evan]

He posted this.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't see it posted anywhere when he posted his response. Yeah, but I could be off.

[Parks]

So it was places, but it didn't live. Nowhere big. Cause again, it's the platform size thing, which is a lesson. Sometimes we make things stories by responding when if you don't say anything, it might not be. And I'm not saying he's right or wrong.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying if he responding, he been around long enough, somebody told him, we're posting this this day.

[Ish]

This might get hot.

[Parks]

That's fair.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, before you read the response like Cliff Notes of what she's accusing him of. Yeah. Accusing, when, where, what kind of situation.

[Parks]

So this is for context. This is an artist that he signed in 19 in 1999.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

It's Lady Luck.

[Parks]

It's Lady Luck.

[Ish]

Shout out to Lady Luck.

[Flip]

We all know.

[G]

So.

[Parks]

And this lawsuit actually happened months ago. That's the other thing. I believe it was in the end of February that it came. So it might be one of those things where we all heard about it and then it passed.

[Melissa Ford]

I remember it.

[Parks]

Yeah. And we didn't say anything about it.

[Joe Budden]

This is my first time here.

[G]

I've never heard it. Mine's too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Don't try to put us in. We heard it, but we were quiet. We didn't hear it.

[G]

No, no, no.

[Parks]

I mean, like I forgot. I knew he got sued before. I didn't know who sued him. So I'm like. I didn't know the details.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

And I'm saying I'm making the connection. Oh, that was the shit from a few months ago. I didn't know who it was. I just knew that he was. That he was sued. Because when I first saw the lawsuit, it was under her government name.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Parks]

So I didn't make the connection to even who it was. But the argument was. And it was. Remember, it was a Jane Doe at one point as well, anyway. That he sexually assaulted her during her employment at Def Jam in the early 2000s. This was the argument that was sexual assault. And that happened over a period of time. So that's what makes this interesting. For the last year or so, I've heard Lady Luck make allegations about her time in the business and all the things that's happened to her. But she didn't explicitly say Kevin Lyles then. I also heard Kevin Lyles was accused of sexual misconduct a few months ago. Didn't connect that it was her. So now the dots are connecting a little bit. What Kevin Lyles has effectively said in his post, which is very long. I mean, it's like three or Four slides on Instagram, small print. It's like a full statement. Is that first? Of course it's not true. He's saying. He's saying that he was told that you can pay $30 million or this lawsuit is going to move forward. He points out all the times where she has said that he was a friend to her, a brother to her. He points out her Happy birthday post. He points to all the support he gave her as an artist, that she.

[Joe Budden]

Still communicates with the entire family or has as recently as March 2025.

[Parks]

And not like distant family, like father, sister, like most families.

[Evan]

She says she called my mother mom, my father Pops. She called my sister her sister and her lifelong friend. So he's making it clear like there's a real relationship with not just me and my family here, too, Right?

[Parks]

And then the last beat of it is that he also talked. He offers a kind of, what is both empathy and a kind of defense. He says, I understand what she's going through. I know she's been through a lot in this industry. I know she's had issues with substance abuse, mental health issues, et cetera. So he lays it out in a way that sounds like he's being sympathetic.

[Melissa Ford]

But also laying the groundwork for saying.

[Parks]

Hey, she's crazy and I don't know why she would make this up. And he's not saying, gray area, we got our signals crossed. He's saying, this is a complete fabrication. I'm not saying he's right. I'm simply saying that's the case he's laid out. And it's an interesting argument because all of, in theory, all of everything that he wrote could be true, and he still could have done what she accused him of doing. And conversely, he could not have. I don't know the story well. I don't know their lies well enough to know anything personal inside. But this is big and this is messy, and this is a sign that this thing isn't going anywhere. A lot of people thought that the era of. Of people making lawsuits, the era of people saying 10 years ago, 20 years ago, or 10 weeks ago, something happened to me was going to pass. I was going to be a fad. But in the kind of post me too era, which I'm actually happy about, people are still being courageous about telling their stories, and people are still coming forward when things have happened to them again. I'm not saying this is true. I'm saying this isn't going anywhere. This is not a phase. And anything that's happened in this Business is probably going to come to light more and more over the next few years.

[G]

Is this the only case or allegations against Kevin Lyles? Because you said that we heard this before. Is she the person that popped it off against him?

[Parks]

To my knowledge, yes. But I can't say with certainty. What I thought was a second case actually was her going from Jane Doe status to a public.

[G]

But if it was back in February, then that means she still reached out to the family in March. So that's what he's trying to.

[Parks]

That's what he's saying, yes. Got it.

[G]

Okay.

[Parks]

And again, I can't say whether that's true or not. I don't know. But that's what he issued in his statement. So I just want to be very.

[Evan]

Clear what I'm reading here. The other one that was filed by Jane Doe in early. Earlier this year. That was a separate case.

[Parks]

There was a separate case. Okay, good.

[G]

That's what I wanted.

[Joe Budden]

I think we should at least read. I think it's one of his earlier paragraphs that says everything that she's alleging.

[Evan]

All right, I got it right here. Says here that she threatened to publish a book and file a public lawsuit if he didn't pay the $30 million. She threatened to allege that almost 26 years ago, when signed as a recording artist to Def Jam, she was groomed. She also threatened to allege that I exposed myself to her and pushed her head towards my genitalia in an attempt to force her to perform oral sex while she was allegedly sitting in the driver's seat of my car. So those are the allegations that he said that are going to be alleged against him?

[Joe Budden]

Mmm hmm.

[G]

How do we feel about this distinguished panel? Mel, what is your thoughts on these allegations and the fact that Kevin Lyles actually got. Is trying to get ahead of it.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, I think he should.

[G]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I absolutely think that he should try his. You know, he should try to get ahead of it, because the court of public opinion, people are gonna form their opinions regardless of what you do. And I think that Jay Z kind of set an example about being proactive about, you know, false allegations. Not just false allegations, but, like, just being very vocal about your innocence in the situation.

[G]

Gotcha.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. And like Marcus said in the past, you know, like the. My default is to want to believe victims.

[G]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

However, $30 million is. Is.

[Parks]

It's a big number.

[Melissa Ford]

Is a. It's a big number. Like, am I using the word punitive, like, incorrectly here?

[Parks]

No, no, no. I get what you're saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[G]

But I need to understand the correlation because it just.

[Melissa Ford]

It just seems like it's a strange number to choose, but it almost seems like it's. It's a number that has been influenced by a lot of what we're seeing right now.

[Ish]

It sounds like it's the rate.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, it sounds like it's the fucking going rate right now.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

You know, and. And listen, I understand pain and suffering. I understand emotional damage. I understand all of that. I have existed in this business for a very long time. I've had things happen to me as well. And I understand the desire to have kept it quiet and the shame and embarrassment and whatever else feelings are associated with this. But.

[Parks]

Mel, let me ask you a question.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead.

[Parks]

If you just. I know where you're going. If you knew that she were telling the truth, what number would you feel comfortable with?

[Melissa Ford]

It's hard to. Honestly, it's hard to say. It's hard to put a number on what you consider to be your pain and suffering and the length of pain and suffering that you have, you know, had to deal with over, you know, set amount of years, decades, or whatever the case is. But when I'm reading what she's charging him with. It's excessive. It's excessive. It seemed. And this is just the monetary amount. Yes, the monetary amount. It's excessive. And I feel like it sets a really bad precedent. There's already people who are going to look at situations like this. There are people who look at Cassie like that was a money grab and that's all it was. You know what I'm saying? So in situations like this, it starts to kind. It really muddies the waters in terms of. Of, you know, impact on victim versus what it is that they're trying to get in order to feel some level of wholeness.

[Joe Budden]

You sound like you don't believe her.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not. That's what I preface this by saying. I err. My default is to always believe victims. However you take into account the maintenance of ancillary relationships with this person's family.

[Parks]

Somebody can say about Cassie too.

[G]

But wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[G]

I got a question. Are you saying this? Are you familiar with this?

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[G]

You're not familiar with him?

[Melissa Ford]

No. No.

[G]

You're not friends with him or anything? I just wanna be clear. Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, not. It's just passing. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[G]

So you're just basing this off of what you read and what you deduced of what?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[G]

Okay.

[Evan]

I think that the 30 number is we're shooting at a high enough number to make you just want to get in the.

[Flip]

So it can settle for five.

[Evan]

I don't care what. We don't have any intention of getting 30 or anything close to 30. We know we're not going to get that. But if I like, it's something about that number 30 today. 30 million. It just.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Evan]

We gotta hurry up and get here.

[Joe Budden]

The numbers cap, I don't even think it's settlement cap. If a settlement comes from it, Great. But the 30 is headline. We want to move forward.

[Parks]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Right. I haven't heard the story where they demand the 30 and it's paid in the next week. The reaction 99% of times is gonna be, baby, you don't get the fuck outta here, I might have to flip my entire life upside down and just pay you 30. Niggas ain't doing that. I think they be wanting to move forward, which is why oftentimes we not even get into the mediator part. We're moving forward if you stall. Right, right.

[Parks]

Yeah. This is an interesting case because that's.

[Joe Budden]

Gonna help the settlement. I think after I move forward now, your tone is gonna be, how do.

[Flip]

I make this go away?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Evan]

And he's jumped out. Like he launched the website ladyluxonewords.com and it's basically every. Just. Just highlighting. Like in his letter he puts. Or in his statement, he says numerous years she's. She said this on podcasts about me and just how positive, even to this day, he put it all on his website.

[Parks]

That could backfire on him.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that helps.

[Parks]

He specifically pointed out that in 2016, 2022 and 2023, she denied any inappropriate sexual interactions with older men, which he's saying is contradicted by what she's saying. Now I get what he's doing. And if you're innocent, I understand why you'd have the impulse to find every shred of evidence to prove your innocence. Guilty people do this too. So that's the first thing. The other thing is if it becomes overkill and it looks like you're being too aggressive and you're attacking her too much, it could turn people off. It could make people distrustful. I don't know. I think there's three pieces. There's people who believe that he did it and are upset. People who don't believe it and say, throw it away. There are also gonna be people who are gonna read what he's alleged to have done. And say.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, like they don't care or they don't.

[Parks]

Yeah, like that's not that big. It's not a big enough deal to warrant a $30 million lawsuit. 30. I'm not saying I don't feel that way, but I'm saying a lot of people do.

[Melissa Ford]

And so just to be clear, he.

[Parks]

Tried to get some head in the car 30 years ago. And like, that's how. That's how a lot of people are going to.

[Melissa Ford]

And just to be clear, that's basically what I was trying to get to, is the fact that some people are going to regard this as a. And kind of situation.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Melissa Ford]

You know, in the grand scheme of. In comparison.

[Ish]

In comparison to some of the other cases we have seen.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Ish]

Which are horrific and have been video documented.

[Joe Budden]

But wasn't that conscious power dynamics?

[Parks]

I said I don't feel that way. But I'm saying that I think it might be a hard time to get a jury to believe, to care enough, given the culture we live in, to feel that it's worth that. I'm not saying.

[G]

But it contradicts what we've been saying out there. When you've been saying that we should always believe victims, you're saying you don't feel that way, but saying going into that. So now we're giving caveats to the situation.

[Parks]

No, there's no contradiction there. I'm saying we should believe victims. I'm saying that a lot of people don't believe victims. And I'm saying in this case, I think that's gonna play out. A lot of people aren't gonna believe her.

[G]

Now. Are you saying that because the act is less atrocious.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm saying, cuz we normalize sexual harassment so much.

[Joe Budden]

Is there a victim spectrum to y' all?

[Flip]

I was about to say I don't understand how we are grading trauma on a curve.

[G]

Oh, shit, man.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no, we're not. We're not.

[Flip]

Mel just said that the $30 million suit. Suit that she is filing is too much money. So if this young lady felt as though. And again, I'm just totally objective. You can't necessarily say yo, because such and such might have her in the ass and made her do xyz, then that is worth more than what this particular trauma is worth. Who the is the judge to do that?

[Parks]

The jury, the judge and the jury. That's.

[Flip]

No, I'm saying us as.

[Parks]

No, I'm saying you even ask if you got hit. Ish. If you got ish. If you got hit by a car and lost. And broke your leg. Someone else got hit by a car and lost their leg. I can't speak to how you experienced the broken leg, but what I can say is, as a juror or as a person watching the jury, you judge.

[Melissa Ford]

That the loss of the leg to be worse than the broken leg.

[Parks]

It's a greater loss.

[Flip]

It is. But I still think it's apples and oranges when you start coming down to emotional trauma and emotional stress. You can't put my emotional stress and my emotional trauma or how I respond to something on a scale as easily as a broken leg versus a lost leg.

[Parks]

I agree. I don't think you can do it as easily. I'm just saying the jury ultimately has to do that, though.

[Flip]

I'm not disagreeing.

[Evan]

We're not even talking about the jury.

[Flip]

We're not talking about. Yeah, we talking about how you could say that this person is charging too much money for their emotional distress.

[Parks]

All I'm saying is, relative to if Cassie's worth 30 million million, that's what we got. I'm establishing it as an arbitrary standard base. In fact, that's what she asked for.

[G]

Yes.

[Ish]

She was awarded, allegedly, something close to it.

[Parks]

Close to that. So I'm saying if they gave, okay, 20, even better.

[Ish]

Settle. Okay, even better.

[Joe Budden]

An award.

[Ish]

All right.

[Parks]

Even better. If Cassie settled for 20 and we say, all right, that's our baseline. It doesn't have to be, but it is, then it would be hard for me to say if Cassie's experience is a baseline of 20.

[Joe Budden]

No, an abuse baseline is nuts.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's crazy to me.

[Parks]

But that's how courts work. That's the problem with the system. No, I agree with you.

[Flip]

You can't say that. Cassie's settlement number is what this other person's settlement number should be. Less because she took this. You can't say that.

[Parks]

And I'm not saying should. I'm making a practical assessment of how it actually is going to play out. I want them all to get as much as they deserve, as much as they want. I don't care. I have no sympathy for the person spending the money who did the harm. I'm just saying, as a practical matter, when you come to somebody and say, I want 30 million, knowing that Cassie just got 20 or knowing that so and so got 50 or 10 or whatever. I'm just saying that to me, there's a strategy in that.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Parks]

And you do walk in basing it just like you do all negotiations based on what the market gives I think it is perverse that we base emotional trauma on the market, but in a capitalist system, that's what you do, unfortunately.

[Joe Budden]

So how do we advance this talk? This point is circular.

[Parks]

Yeah, I think. I think the only thing moving forward is just for me was just to say again, we're going to see a lot more of this. Tons true, untrue, fake, false, 100% accurate. We're going to see a lot more of it. I don't know. Do you think the industry is going to move differently because of this culture, or are we just going to see a lot more payouts for the next 10, 20 years?

[Melissa Ford]

I think we're going to see a lot more payouts. And that was what I was trying to say is that it seems like this 30 million is the baseline that is being created. Whether or not. Whether or not we judge it to be correct or incorrect, too much, too little, or whatever the case is, the fact of the matter is like a baseline seems to be created. And it's just like there's like, what's the mathematics here for it? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

There are none.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think there are none.

[Parks]

We're going back into the circle.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. And I don't want to. I just wanted to make the point that that was. Was what I was trying to say earlier in the conversation, and then also about, you know, the maintenance of the relationship with the family and the comparison to Cassie. I feel like that in itself is like. Is apples and oranges way off. Yeah, it's totally. It's totally different because this was. We. Cassie is alleging in her testimony that she was groomed and that this was like an ongoing. Yeah, and that this was an ongoing.

[Flip]

But Cassie was his girl.

[Melissa Ford]

I know. And this wasn't. This was an ongoing, you know, physical, mental, emotional, psychological captivity situation. That is not this.

[Parks]

I hear that. I hear that. So. So let's think about the next part of this, though, which was my question about how do we move forward? What does the culture look like moving forward? How are relationships different? What's going to be different now?

[Ish]

I think there's some inherent generational differences that are going to be just on display just because people, younger people, think different than older people. Some of these people that have been accused of these heinous shit are from a different world where men in power do whatever the fuck they want. And I think we'll see less of it just based on that alone. And I do think that also people are going to be scared of getting sued for $30 million.

[Flip]

The scary part is.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if you was wilding and if you have $30 million, huh. And which is a small sector of men.

[Flip]

Very small.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Flip]

But it's people that got 300,000, it's people that got 100,000 people that got half a million. You get What I'm saying? 30 is a different type of number.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Flip]

Like smokey got getting 2 for 50.

[Joe Budden]

Is there a way that we would ever see those stories publicized where the number is that of a 250 and $300,000 win?

[Flip]

They may not be public, but that still don't mean that that might start to be a trend. Like the trend trickles down.

[Evan]

So the girl that.

[Flip]

I get it, you know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

And I'm seeing that a lot now. When I speak at corporations and I talk about dei, we talk about corporate behavior. A lot of people are talking about the boss gets sued personally, the company's getting sued as his Def Jam in this case, and they're getting sued for those 50, 100, $200,000. It's happening a lot right now. It's actually quite interesting. More so than the Kevin Lyle situation.

[Flip]

Yeah. Because once we see them get a bag, it's like, word. Oh, that motherfucker tried to do that 50 times. Four years ago, he was smacking me on my ass when I would come in his office every day. So I think that it's basically starting to give more women the courage to come forward and really claim some shit that they might have been going through for the last 15, 20 years in corporate. I'm not against that. What I do see what I think is gonna start happening though is from the male's perspective, my nigga, you kinda gotta be careful.

[Evan]

You should be careful period where you put your dick.

[Flip]

But I'm saying like when you get 20 something years old, or you single, or you a man in power, you're not necessarily that displaying that level of discernment, you know what I'm saying? When you're a single man back then.

[Melissa Ford]

Absolutely not. There was absolutely. There was no fucking discernment. There was no HR today. I understand, but we're talking about cases that are being presented from decades ago and women are, are coming forward now. And you know, I can speak from the standpoint of being having been there. There was no hr. These were fucking treacherous shark infested fucking waters. It was survival of the fucking fittest. And I think that also what's happened is I feel like consent should have been like the word of like 2022 or 2021 or whatever. The fact is, whatever year that it started to be used so consistently, because our vocabulary has changed, our understanding of what consent is has changed. Nobody was saying that fucking word back then. You know what I'm saying? The understanding as a woman being in this business in front of the camera, behind the camera, was that you were chum for the Sharks. And either you found a way to survive. So the fact of the matter is, is there is going to be certain circumstances in which chickens are coming home to fucking roost. And your behavior was predatory then, and you gotta pay for it now.

[Parks]

It's consent and it's power and culture to me, all connected. So, for example, committing a sexual act where somebody doesn't wanna do it, that's the part where we all kind of be like, all right, yeah, we know that's not cool. But 30 years ago, asking your artist for a blowjob unfortunately wasn't considered out of bounds. It was out of bounds to force them to give you a blowjob, but to ask them for one, and they had a right to say yes or no. And a lot of in the culture of the music business, and really corporate America in general, but especially in the music business, was you could do that. So part of what it is is applying Today's rules to 30 years ago. And I'm not justifying the behavior. I'm just saying we have to have an honest conversation about the culture of institutions and organizations to understand how we got here. Otherwise, it sounds like this random dude is just walking around doing wild shit.

[Evan]

When it's quote, unquote.

[Flip]

Power dynamics didn't exist necessarily back then as a understanding.

[Melissa Ford]

We didn't know what they were as a term.

[Flip]

Yeah, pretty. Your secretary was pretty.

[Parks]

You shot.

[Evan]

She accepted.

[Flip]

It was like, yo, this is consensual. We were dating, and I was from the rip.

[Evan]

Niggas hired the secretary because she was pretty.

[Parks]

Right?

[Evan]

That was part of the.

[Flip]

I think that's really, really scary. Murky waters to be treading. And.

[Joe Budden]

And I. Yeah, y' all having a great talk. So I ain't about to come in and say some.

[Flip]

I want to hear it.

[Joe Budden]

It's a learned behavior.

[Melissa Ford]

Say more, you think?

[Joe Budden]

I know. I know.

[Melissa Ford]

He was. I mean, you were there.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a coincidence that every black mogul, for the most part in the music business is dealing with. Dealing with this.

[Flip]

Take it off music, because this happens.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in entertainment.

[Evan]

Gotcha, Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about the rest of the world. I'm in. I'm in entertainment. That's what I'm talking about. This is not only happening with black moguls in the entertainment business. And each one of them came up under somebody. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm not. I'm not even really having. But it is a learned behavior. All of them. All of them. From every one of them. You're just not gonna hear about where they learned it from. And I'm not trying to.

[Evan]

Not necessarily.

[Joe Budden]

Please, please. I don't want to sound like I'm excusing it either.

[Flip]

So, yeah, I think that something else.

[Evan]

That could be at play there, too, is. Which we see even today with a. Who just wasn't him in high school or when he was coming up. And now you get to that level, now it's entitlement kick in. Like, now it's like, nigga, y' all owe me for what I couldn't get back then. Now I'm gonna make y' all paid damn near.

[Parks]

I think those two things combined.

[Evan]

It's a lot of niggas that behave like that, yo.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's a lot of different things, I think. Cause again, you just speaking from music perspective, I think in corporate America, I think in Wall Street, I think in politics, like, I got some friends in politics, it's going on in the political arena as well.

[Ish]

It's just not as public.

[Flip]

They're just not public figures. So we don't know that is going on. When this senator or this congressman or this CEO or like that shit is. It's everywhere. I think that men of power have a certain level of entitlement. And when they see beautiful women, they feel like they can exercise that power in a manner that they see fit. I don't think that is foreign or it's just exclusive to the music business at all.

[Parks]

That's why I think we have to look at the systems. It's just like back in the 90s when we were looking for the gay rapper, it was as if there was just one. As opposed to understanding. The culture was built in a way where there's lots of. Of queer folk there as artists, as set designers, as everything. Any job. There was a gay person there. But we didn't want to accept that as a culture. If we keep looking for the predator producer or the predator CEO, we lose sight of the fact that it's a predatory industry.

[Flip]

True VPs and directors, and it's just a predatory business.

[Parks]

And people are always looking to get a leg up, either because they couldn't get it in high school or because they couldn't. They want more or because they saw their. Their mentor do it. All, all the factors are part of it. But we gotta have our.

[Joe Budden]

If you can recognize it's a predatory business, then why can't you recognize the people that put in the predatory business practices?

[Flip]

I think it goes back to.

[Parks]

I think we need to. I'm with you. I'm saying go past puffing them.

[Joe Budden]

Go past all.

[Parks]

Let's get to the heart of it. That's the culture. Part of it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, and part of the culture is also everybody else's. Part of the culture is the hero worship. The hero worship also creates. Is a massive symptom to the fucking problem. I just watched the Brett Favre. I don't know if y' all saw that. No, that shit was fucking wild.

[Joe Budden]

What was wild about it?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, so we all know which.

[Joe Budden]

I saw it.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. What was wild about it was there was this sideline reporter named Jen Steger and Brett Favre decided that he liked her and he started to solicit her attention anonymously at first. And then he got her phone number through the head office. They gave it to him. This is when he was with the jets and he started to contact her. She made it clear she had absolutely no interest in him whatsoever. The great Brett Favre. And everybody would be like, oh, well, of course. No, she had no interest. And she was terrified that she now had his attention in a way that she know she didn't want it because she knew that this was going to. To end badly for her. And it did. Her career is over. He sent her a dick pic and whatever else, and then the story comes out a little bit later about his, you know, about his unwanted advances. This. I forget what the. With the magazine is that she worked with at the time, but she confided in the editor.

[Joe Budden]

Deadspin.

[Melissa Ford]

Deadspin. She confided in the editor, who was her friend.

[Joe Budden]

She was sharing tea.

[Melissa Ford]

She was sharing tea. Expected that this was an off the record fucking conversation. It was an off the record conversation between two.

[Joe Budden]

You know, where you work, it's Deadspin. Deadspin is the wild, wild west of all of that sports commentary shit. Deadspin posts. The superstar athletes sending dick pics. They don't focus on the stats.

[Melissa Ford]

I understand that, but when you are having.

[Joe Budden]

You're talking to the editor or the.

[Melissa Ford]

Owner, whoever's intentional about rap, listen, I get it. But if you are having. Having an off the record with your friend, convert conversation with your friend off.

[G]

The record is just. It's just a ploy.

[Flip]

She might have thought they was friends.

[Evan]

Even if you did that. That's. That's very naive on her part.

[Flip]

That's not true, bro.

[Evan]

If I know what this company does, let's just take it. I know what the company do. I know what they about.

[Parks]

She.

[Melissa Ford]

She writes. She writes for Deadspin. She write. This is her colleague. I would. If I'm having a conversation with you, Ice, I am going to have this expectation. It's sitting over there, that you're not gonna get on Twitter and start writing. Oh, Mel said this. Mel said that I have that expectation of you.

[Evan]

If our business was to talk about whatever it is that you talking about. Right. That's what our business. That's what our brand is based. That's what we do. And you come in here and say something, then expect. Well, damn. How did that get out?

[Joe Budden]

You're asking a National Enquirer not to post something.

[Melissa Ford]

You. Okay, so this is.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you have a right to do that.

[Melissa Ford]

That is the side that you guys.

[Joe Budden]

Still the National Enquirer.

[Evan]

Not saying I would do it, but I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

But go ahead.

[Parks]

The expectation is complicated.

[Melissa Ford]

I would have expected my friend to have a little bit more integrity, you know what I'm saying? So anyways, he basically says, oh, well, fuck that, I'm printing it. And so that was how the world started. Or found out about these inappropriate text messages that Brett Favre was sending to this girl and the fact that she.

[Joe Budden]

And he paid her.

[Melissa Ford]

Who?

[Joe Budden]

Desmond. They paid the girl for the story.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I didn't see that in.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was in the doc. It was in.

[Flip]

It sold the story.

[Joe Budden]

They paid.

[Melissa Ford]

After the fact.

[Evan]

That's different, though.

[Melissa Ford]

That's.

[Evan]

She was trying to make me whole.

[Melissa Ford]

She was not. She was. Yeah. She was not soliciting any attention for this story. She did not sell the story. She didn't want anybody to know because she knew that this was going to be harmful to career suicide. And it was. Now, how do we regard Brett Favre as still the fucking gunslinging fucking hero that everybody perceives him to be, regardless of money from?

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, yeah, we don't regard that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but a lot of people still do. The fucking statue and fucking Green Bay hasn't been taken down. He can walk in the stadium and get a fucking standing ovation. I'm still. I'm talking about hero worship here.

[Joe Budden]

His statue got to get taken down because he sent a dick pic.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I'm talking about the scandal in Fucking Mississippi. Stealing from the fucking poor. That's what that welfare, that. That shit that was. Was disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

He has plausible deniability in that too, for what they showed.

[Melissa Ford]

Again, there's text.

[Joe Budden]

I still think he's a piece of.

[Melissa Ford]

So again, there's text messages.

[Joe Budden]

Interpret those text messages is different. He said, hey, is there any way I can get in trouble for this? Which was interpreted as he was well aware that I knew crimes were going on. Yeah, there's another way to interpret, hey, is there any way I can. Trouble for doing this, Getting this money? It don't have to go that way, is all I'm saying. Depends on how you.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Well, I choose to see it the way that a lot of people see it, that he was. That he understood where this money was coming from. And very complicit.

[Evan]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

I got him as a piece of shit too. But he wasn't doing nothing different than most of these colleges are and have been doing for a long time, which.

[Parks]

Is the point I'm making.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the point you keep making.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's like. And we see. We see it with every. Every con, every congressman I know who've been. Who go to. I can name at least three congressmen I know, who I. Two of whom I work with directly who went to jail for corruption and taking bribes. Yeah, they did it. They did the same thing that every other member of Congress does, and they just got caught. They either got caught or were less slick, or they got watched more, or.

[Flip]

They crossed somebody that was like, oh, word.

[Parks]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know, so I'm just saying, like, all these institutions are corrupt and at some point we gotta get past it. But that's a social question. That's what I keep saying. The desire to be like these unaccountable white men who are never gonna be held accountable the way we are. It's something we gotta work through, set the tone.

[Melissa Ford]

Agreed.

[Parks]

Right. Cause we'll sit there. Can I say Clive Davis? I don't know, but if not, beep it out. My point is there's a lot of people who look at the behavior in the music industry and say, well, why.

[Melissa Ford]

Did he get away with it? And I can't get away with this shit.

[Parks]

How's he there?

[Joe Budden]

I've been asking Clive questions for years. So, I mean, I think it's just.

[Flip]

A good old boys club. I think that society in itself again, outside of the music business, outside of finances, My nigga. Look at the presidency and what they saying. All of the shit, it tracks like they got him Documented saying, yo, if Hillary Clinton did XYZ with Qatar is some bullshit. He just took a $400 million plane. They set the rules and they play by the rules that they want. So the money, power, respect is the mantra.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask y' all a few things. Cause we do have to close this, and I just have to get to an ad. What do y' all think ends up happening to Kevin Lauze?

[Flip]

Nothing.

[Parks]

I think he wins this. He painted a picture of somebody. He laid that out. Not to mention her drug history, her criminal history, her felony history, her drug distribution of heroin. I mean, it's gonna be hard to convince people that this is not a money.

[Evan]

Not just that, unfortunately. And I fuck with luck, Jersey.

[G]

Yeah.

[Flip]

She not big enough. She not big enough.

[Evan]

They don't care about the victim enough. And that's really what happens in a lot of these cases.

[Melissa Ford]

People go looking for perfect victims, and there very rarely is one not even necessarily perfect.

[Flip]

Her cachet ain't big enough.

[G]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Do.

[Evan]

Do we give a enough.

[Melissa Ford]

She's not a sympathetic enough figure as well. It's true.

[Parks]

And again, I'm not saying she lying. I'm just saying I don't think she wins this.

[Flip]

I. I don't think so.

[Parks]

Agreed.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

God damn.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, but you feel we're cynical at this point.

[Joe Budden]

What's. We're cynical?

[Melissa Ford]

No. Cynical.

[Flip]

Cynical.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, am I feeling cynical?

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. Was that the goddamn.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, a little bit. I mean, just how it sounds.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I mean, like, it's hard not to be cynical at this point, you know, social media and just like the barrage of information that we get, you know, as it relates to things like this, after a while, it desensitizes you.

[Joe Budden]

So we're gonna flip flop on when. All right.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not. It's not.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Not flip flopping.

[Joe Budden]

Flip flopping on. When our cynicism kicks in. We are. I'm too sick to talk about it.

[G]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

We are.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Melissa Ford]

I know. I'm confused.

[Parks]

I don't see. I think it feels to me like y' all are equating a prediction that this isn't gonna work out well with a kind of endorsement that it's not gonna work out well.

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't have a problem with where y' all left that.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

When Mel took it further hearing that piece.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. You said y' all. I got confused. Okay. Got you.

[Melissa Ford]

Gotcha with the cynicism.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It's like selective cynicism.

[Melissa Ford]

Sure. Maybe. Maybe a little bit.

[Parks]

Not for me, I honestly, I rarely believe things gonna work out well. I support victims, and I just. I still don't believe they do.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all think she gonna get paid a settlement?

[Ish]

I think she will.

[Parks]

I think she'll get something. I think she'll get something. I think she'll get a very small amount.

[Melissa Ford]

But that is where my cynicism comes from.

[Flip]

I don't think so now.

[Evan]

I don't think so.

[Flip]

I don't think so now.

[Evan]

I don't think he's gonna. I don't think he's looking to even.

[Flip]

Try to follow the Jay Z trend. Yeah. And be like, no, I'm gonna fight.

[Evan]

It all the way.

[Flip]

Number one, you broke. You broke. And again, no disrespect to luck. I fuck with her like big Jersey, but you broke. You can't. You can't remotely get the.

[Evan]

The. The.

[Flip]

The attorney power team that I could muster up. I think it's gonna set.

[Evan]

We gotta stop this.

[Flip]

Let's say he's innocent. If he's innocent.

[Parks]

Innocent.

[Flip]

If, if, if. If he's innocent, I think it behooves him to fight it all the way.

[Ish]

Agree.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? Now, if he's not innocent, that's another story. But if he is innocent.

[Parks]

Lawyer fees and shit, though, at some point, you gotta be practical. Hov was like, I will burn money just to make the point. All of us can't afford to do that, Kevin.

[Flip]

Laos can afford way higher attorneys than Lady Luck.

[Parks]

That's fair. Keep in mind, also, the Def Jam is being sued too, though. So they may actually have an investment in saying, I don't want to be smeared. I don't want it to be said that we built this. I'm just saying there's a few angles to be played here. It wouldn't shock me if they came to her right now and said, we got 250 for you. She might have to just take that and it wouldn't shock. That's what I mean by a small amount. It wouldn't shock me if she took it. And that's my prediction. I think it's gonna happen.

[Flip]

100 grand.

[Joe Budden]

Take 250 grand and shut up. Shut up.

[Parks]

That's what I think is gonna happen.

[Flip]

You will spend $250,000 in lawyer fees easily. Easily half a million dollars to shut your ass up and go away. It's possible.

[Parks]

That's what I.

[Flip]

No, it's possible.

[Joe Budden]

It's time for some tmp. Just hit him with some team. Thoughts and prayers, Thoughts and prayers. For all parties involved. We'll keep you updated as as we are updated.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Sad ass topic made it hard to put my prize.

[G]

Time for our favorite part of the show.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Flip]

Now it's time for our favorite part of the show.

[Parks]

That was pretty good.

[G]

Oh, yeah. Now it's time.

[Joe Budden]

That was great.

[G]

Okay, I'll do it again. Now it's time for our favorite part of the show.

[Joe Budden]

Prize picks.

[G]

Cut me in. Cut me in.

[Joe Budden]

Prize Picks. Let's take care of my boys.

[G]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ish]

Liver.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T anybody.

[G]

I guess.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, we'll talk about it later. We have Caruso for more than ten and a half points and assists. He's playing really good defense. Chet Holmgreen for more than 15 points. Dante Divin Dengio for more than eight points.

[Ish]

You butcher.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ish]

I think they can win another one.

[Parks]

I think they win another game.

[Evan]

I don't. Nah, yo, it's belt to ass.

[Flip]

I think they defeated mentally. Yeah, I think they defeated mentally.

[Joe Budden]

And before Game 4 of the Knicks series, everybody here counts the Knicks out?

[Parks]

No, I do.

[Evan]

I got the Knicks winning this one.

[Parks]

I got paces in five.

[Flip]

It's hard. It's hard to count the Knicks out. They play hard, but I hope they lose.

[Joe Budden]

But they play.

[Parks]

You're not trying to wait. Do you really believe the Knicks are gonna win the series?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

Thousand dollars.

[Joe Budden]

I'll take it.

[Parks]

Done.

[Joe Budden]

I'll take it.

[Parks]

Wait, just to be clear, I'm just. I'm betting the Pacers will win the Series. You bet the Knicks will win the Series? Cause you think I gotta. I learned from the water bets and shit. If the Pacers win this Series, you gonna send me $1,000? If the Knicks win, I'm gonna send you $1,000.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I wanna remix that.

[Parks]

Exactly.

[G]

That's why I asked.

[Joe Budden]

Only because I'm taking it with us. Down two one. So I think I should be incentivized differently.

[Parks]

No, but 2:1. If it was 2:3.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, it's 2:1 before game four, game four on the road. Yeah, I feel like I should be incentivized differently. I'm down to bet.

[Parks]

Okay, I got 25.

[Joe Budden]

I got 25 out with.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I got bets out on this series.

[Parks]

Okay, but I'm down.

[Joe Budden]

I'm down.

[Parks]

How would you. What's the incentive?

[Joe Budden]

Let's go to 500 more.

[Parks]

500 more?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, sure.

[Parks]

Done.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. I'll take it.

[Flip]

Oh, what does that mean?

[Joe Budden]

1500 to a stack. 1500 to a stack. He went. He went. I went. I get 1,500.

[Ish]

Pardon me.

[Joe Budden]

You drunk that. What? What are you bringing today?

[Flip]

What I'm bringing every day.

[Joe Budden]

Avion again. You back? You back to avion? Yeah.

[Flip]

You New Money? Don't know what avion is.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, how long you gotta have money before people can stop calling you New Money?

[Flip]

When you stop acting like New Money?

[G]

Oh, when it fits on you? When it. When they move.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, that's not true. You have money for 40 years and act like a new. Yeah. Then what you want to call New.

[Flip]

Money, you won't know it's New Money. You won't even know.

[G]

You'll be accustomed to his movements.

[Flip]

The niggas that got money, they don't know they got money.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you're right.

[Melissa Ford]

What's one indication that you are New Money?

[Parks]

Arguing about water. Yeah, douche, that's a good one.

[G]

Hey, yo, real quick, though, before we go on, I do want to take my time out and shout out to Kas and that and the guys over there at Stream University. I think it was great. It was amazing. First of all, round of applause for you. You on roll. No, I didn't enroll, but. No, no, no. There was mixing schedules. Remember I kept telling you guys that there was a surprise that I was working on. I'll get into that later because it's not about me, but what it is Is that to watch a young man come from New York and to make something out of it, to take ideas and put it on a larger scale, and to execute it, especially to put the young ones on, that's amazing to me. I have nothing but admiration and respect for Kai. The whole team over there, shout out to Talil, shout out to everybody. I mean, he's changing lives, man. Bringing people that was There with 100 people watching them, bringing people with a thousand, just bringing them together. And I like the way he handled certain situations in there, right? When a young lady was bullied or felt like she was bullied or got made fun of, he went over there and sat with her and did a stream. Like, he addressed every situation head on. And I respect, man, I tip my hat to Kai in there, man. I see you guys soon. But I tip my hat to them, man.

[Parks]

But let me just say, it's about to be a professor. Let me just say, Flip, you deserve to be there. And I know y' all working out the details, but you are architect of this. And a lot of people. I'm not talking about Kai right now. I'm just saying in general, who do the work they do on YouTube and on live streaming, in general, have followed your model, and they don't always give you the credit. So I just want you to know that you deserve to be there, too.

[G]

I appreciate that. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Flip]

I get to flip every day in my DMs. Yo, send this to Flip. It was some singing in Philly.

[G]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You seen it, right?

[G]

I mean, you know, we get calls, man. There's two people up here that get the calls. When it's time, we get the calls.

[Parks]

Schedule two people up here to get the calls?

[G]

Yeah, they do. Schedule was a conflict, and I wanted to shit on y' all. I wanted to shit on y' all. I had a whole plan, but. Cause I remember I'm going to Indianapolis and I was going to Ohio. It was the whole thing that I was doing, but it's just. I thought it was. It's crazy. But salute to Kai. Salute to everybody up there. Salute to streamers. University. Man, that made me feel good seeing that.

[Evan]

That's fine. You should do the streamer portables.

[G]

Do what.

[Parks]

You should do your own.

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Parks]

What you should do.

[Joe Budden]

That's streamer.

[Parks]

Community college streamer.

[G]

No, no, you got that.

[Joe Budden]

I like that.

[Evan]

I think you would smoke that, though.

[G]

Yeah, I know, I know. I got you for the less, for the lesser. Two streamers for the ones for the ones that are dark side of the way, right? Freeze.

[Flip]

Streamer door.

[G]

The chicken nugget. Streamers, huh?

[Evan]

I didn't say that I was going to be.

[G]

Did you give to the colleges? Did you give to the high schoolers?

[Evan]

I did not say nothing about the chicken nuggets. I had pizza.

[Joe Budden]

He dying. Cook some nuggets with. Cooking with Kaya.

[G]

You gonna be proud, though.

[Joe Budden]

You be proud.

[G]

You know? Yo, Joe, listen. One thing about you and I, man, you know, I ain't too far from something that's moving like that, you know, I'm not too far from it.

[Evan]

I know you got a whole.

[G]

Not 50 degrees. That shit like two.

[Evan]

He got a whole deck of cards up his sleeve.

[G]

Not too far of it.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[G]

But like, it's just. It feels good when people acknowledge it.

[Joe Budden]

That's part of why I keep you around.

[G]

But you know what? It is. Thank you. I appreciate that. But it feel. It feels good when people acknowledge you. Right? A lot of people try to make.

[Joe Budden]

Make.

[G]

In closing, they try to make comparisons to make me feel away. But the people that's running.

[Parks]

There's no comparison.

[G]

No, no. Of course, salute to them. They doing their thing. But when I come around, they acknowledge me. When I come around, they invite me in, but they know who I am. You can crack the jokes too, but.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[G]

Now what you see?

[Flip]

Yo, yours the inspiration probably for something.

[G]

They invite me. They invite me in. Yo, Flip, come on. It was a whole thing set up. I just had a date. I support you about it.

[Parks]

I'm supporting you. I said, good job.

[Joe Budden]

You. You.

[Parks]

There's no.

[G]

He said, chicken, I'm gonna go to the pool.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[G]

He talk about the little in the corner.

[Melissa Ford]

Behind the trailers in the back.

[G]

Trailers in the back.

[Melissa Ford]

Trailers in the back.

[G]

How many teachers to one student? Five out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of some streamer, did y' all see Drew skit the Cool White Boy?

[G]

Yes.

[Parks]

I thought.

[Joe Budden]

I thought.

[G]

I thought it was hilarious. There's a lot of people in the uproar.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[G]

They are not parks for your people. That's enough.

[Ish]

I will not speak for them. What's to be uproar about? About that. It was hilarious to me.

[G]

It was funny too free. What's the.

[Evan]

There was uproar because it's.

[Parks]

Tell me what this kid was white face.

[Ish]

Yeah, because it's white face.

[Parks]

Because the cool white guy in the hood, right? The white boy. That's good in the hood.

[Evan]

Like I did see. I not saying that it was upset over it, but I did see the O. Vaughn Post. Oh, great. Cool. Let me go get my paint.

[Ish]

That's funny.

[Evan]

That's hilarious. To me.

[Ish]

That's funny.

[Evan]

But you get what he's.

[Ish]

The people that are actually mad about it. About the people that are actually mad about. I just guess don't understand why blackface is bad.

[Evan]

No, they don't. They think it's just because we can't do it. Why could you do it?

[Joe Budden]

That's when I was starting to forget why I didn't like Theo Vaughan. I almost was forgetting why I didn't fuck with him. See, I just rely on. If I don't with you. That's my memory of it. I don't need to remember why. That's why. All right. Thank you for that. Freeze. Theo Vaughn.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Evan]

See, I freeze.

[Flip]

Think that's funny.

[Evan]

Parks did, too. Well, just me.

[Joe Budden]

A lot Parks can think is funny is the thing.

[Evan]

I can't, though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not here for it today. Got it. Hey, I'm sick. Y' all go ahead. Hey, tmp.

[G]

So him.

[Joe Budden]

You think. Think it's the same.

[G]

You think it's the same?

[Evan]

I just like comedy.

[G]

No, we asked you a question.

[Evan]

Do I think him saying it. Let me go get.

[G]

Let me get my paint.

[Parks]

Yes.

[G]

It's the same as.

[Evan]

I don't even think he even intending to do it. I just think the statement was funny. I'm making fun of that.

[Joe Budden]

Can you answer the question we're asking?

[Evan]

Do I think if he were to put on blackface. It's the same.

[Joe Budden]

You think that black face and white face.

[Evan]

Black face and white face are not the same. Nowhere near the same.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, just checking at all. All right. Thank you.

[Parks]

And that's the thing that pisses me off. When white people act like it is. That's all.

[Ish]

It's not the same.

[Evan]

It's nothing. Nowhere near the same.

[Ish]

There's no historical implication behind white face.

[Evan]

No.

[Parks]

People like to ignore context when it's convenient.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And it's like black power, white power aren't the same thing. When I say black power, I'm trying to get us free. When you say white power, you trying to give me Lynch. You trying to say.

[Joe Budden]

You trying to keep us.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[G]

And it's the void and it's the voice.

[Parks]

White power.

[G]

It's the voice. It's the look that come with it. It's the flag that's behind it.

[Joe Budden]

I honestly thought that was one of Drew SK's better skits.

[G]

It was hilarious.

[Ish]

When he goes back to the dinner table. That was.

[Joe Budden]

That was Preston.

[Ish]

Yeah. Stop Talking like that.

[Joe Budden]

Preston, when he went back home, he nailed that.

[Evan]

He did. I think he even posted somewhere. He was like. Like thanking everybody because it was like his fastest skit to reach a hundred thousand comments or something. It was like he hit a milestone with that.

[Ish]

I'm a good friend, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm such a huge, amazing man. I'm a huge fan of Drew Skis. I love it's.

[G]

Why are you looking at me right Ish. Asked me off camera why I didn't think about the Drew ski skit, Why I didn't think about doing that. Why you don't believe in supporting black man and brother supporting each other, man. Why I gotta think of that?

[Parks]

That's not.

[Ish]

That's not. Flip clips.

[G]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Why don't.

[Parks]

It's way too much nuance for that.

[G]

No, you. But you asked me that off camera. I didn't hear you, Mark. Say it again.

[Parks]

I said it's not your bag. Like you. You do a different style of comedy.

[Melissa Ford]

He.

[Ish]

That's all I said.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, no, he said. He said it was too nuanced for you.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not what he said.

[Melissa Ford]

It isn't.

[Joe Budden]

Is that what you said?

[Parks]

Not exactly, no.

[Melissa Ford]

What'd you say?

[Parks]

I don't remember exactly what I said.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes. Okay. All right.

[G]

Thank you, man, for holding me down.

[Parks]

Definitely not exactly what I said.

[G]

Hey, yo, listen, listen, y' all.

[Parks]

Different styles.

[G]

Exactly. And I support Drew Ski. And I can adapt to anything, though.

[Parks]

I don't doubt that.

[G]

Watch me on Todd porno when you see it.

[Parks]

I don't doubt that. I think you could be George. I think you could be George Carlin if you wanted to be.

[G]

I don't know who that is. And I think that's a diss.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it's.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

No, actually, it's.

[G]

No. No. George Carlin.

[Parks]

Okay, I give up. All right.

[G]

Thank you.

[Parks]

So another big thing. Big marriage. Big marriage.

[Evan]

Big marriage. Love is in the air.

[Parks]

Yes. Something's in there. Travis Hunter.

[Evan]

Travis Hunter married his high school sweetheart.

[Parks]

His high school sweetheart.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

At least. College sweetheart.

[Parks]

When you're like, 20, it just feels the same.

[Joe Budden]

You call it that, but Travis Hunter is the second pick from this recent NFL draft. He went to the Jaguars. He went to Colorado. You know, explain. With my parents.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's a star. He's a star player on both offense and defense, which is extraordinarily rare.

[Joe Budden]

Who came under fire because after a lot of his big moments, his girlfriend seemingly made it about her. At least that was the Internet's interpretation of her behavior. So the fact that they're married now is a conversation.

[Parks]

How you feel about that, Joe?

[Evan]

But not just that they married. It's not married with no prenup.

[Flip]

And they posted no prenup in the.

[Parks]

Pictures before the prenup part, though. I'm just saying. Cause, like, you know, when we first talked about this four months ago, five months ago, you said, see if she'll be around in a year. He married her. Which was my prediction that they. That she was there for the long haul.

[Joe Budden]

That doesn't negate mine.

[Parks]

It doesn't. I'm not saying you're wrong.

[G]

We don't know.

[Flip]

The hall of what, though?

[G]

The long haul of justice bank truck.

[Parks]

Right.

[G]

You all.

[Parks]

Just say, you know. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying, does this change in your. Your estimate or your prediction at all?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

No.

[Parks]

You still.

[G]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Five, six months, it's gonna be over.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I'm not. Listen, I'm a. I love love, so don't make. I don't want to put death dates on people's relationship. Yeah.

[Evan]

I don't want to do that.

[Parks]

You wish the best.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, no, I don't. I don't necessarily wish the best. I don't know them. I don't give a fuck about them, but.

[G]

But damn, I love love.

[Evan]

How do.

[G]

How do we feel about the no prenup thing?

[Ish]

How do we know about the no prenup thing?

[Parks]

Is it official? Because I know it's like a rumor. It's alleged. I don't know if they said, like, we didn't sign a pre. That's a weird thing to announce, right?

[Ish]

Yeah, it's super.

[Evan]

Not in the clout chasing world, it's not.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I was about to say.

[Evan]

And in the world we live in, where everybody's. That's gonna be the question. I wonder if they'll know. Let me put that out there. They're gonna go run crazy with it. That's the world we live in.

[Melissa Ford]

It's possible that he. That they did that in a. You know, to try to deflect away from all the negative attention she had received earlier.

[G]

She got that nigga wrapped around her finger.

[Ish]

Could they have just posted that as a joke?

[Evan]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, that's possible, too.

[Parks]

For the same reasons they just said.

[Evan]

For attention or attention.

[Parks]

I mean, conversations still don't change. It don't change. I mean, I'm okay with no prenup. And I don't. I don't. I don't think it's an issue, but.

[Melissa Ford]

You'Re 40 something years old. Do you think that your 20 something year old self would have said the same thing?

[Parks]

I mean, to be honest, I think I have more of an argument now for signing the prenup.

[Flip]

No, it goes farther than that. It goes farther than that.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, go ahead.

[Parks]

Good.

[Flip]

Your 20 something year old self that just walked into a potential financial windfall.

[Melissa Ford]

But that's exactly. That's what I mean. You know, you weren't 20 something years old.

[Joe Budden]

Were still struggling.

[Parks]

I'm prenupping for this.

[Melissa Ford]

But you're 20 with the coat, right?

[G]

He had a coke nub.

[Melissa Ford]

What we splitting your 20 year old mentality. Your 20 something year old mentality with his same circumstances.

[Parks]

Imagine being a prenup person. I mean, I'll say this. I think there's nothing wrong with signing a prenup. And I think paperwork and contracts, as uncomfortable as they are, prevent problems later. And I say that in business too. Right. Signing contracts, no matter how uncomfortable they are, prevents fallout later. So I have no problem with people who sign prenup. I don't think it's wrong to do. I personally had no desire to do it.

[Evan]

Is it just prenup or would you do that in like a business deal too, with no paperwork?

[Parks]

No, in a business deal, I would absolutely sign. I believe in paperwork in general. I mean, there's times where I haven't done it. It's always come back to bite. Every time I haven't signed paperwork, it's come back to bite me.

[Evan]

So I'm curious if you feel. Because marriage is basically a business. Business arrangement, so why would you be so cool with no prenup for marriage?

[Parks]

It's. I can't say that I would be cool with a prenup under any marital circumstance, but in my particular circumstance, I felt good with it. I felt comfortable with it. But again, I don't think it's. I don't think I'm right and other people are wrong again. Everybody should do it case by case basis. Yeah, it's a case by case. I felt comfortable. I felt comfortable with a couple things. To make it real short, my wife and I.

[Joe Budden]

Can you push that mic closer to you?

[Parks]

What'd you say?

[Joe Budden]

Can you push that mic?

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry. My wife and I have been together on and off for a long stretch of time.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

And I felt like a lot of the moves that I made were based on her wisdom and her advice. I felt like a lot of the success I had was based on things that she told me. So I felt like, there was a way that I felt like she was entitled to some of the stuff that I had. And I knew that whatever we had after we got together, she deserved. So for me, in my case, a prenup.

[Flip]

She was already contributed to your.

[Parks]

Yeah, I felt like she earned it. So for my case, it didn't make sense to me. But again, everybody's situation is different. If I were Elon Musk marrying somebody tomorrow, I'm not gonna say I'd feel the same way because I wouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

Got it?

[Parks]

You know what I mean? I don't think that anybody who marries Elon Musk deserves again, you know how I feel about billionaires. But just as a matter of ethics and logic, I don't think anybody deserves half of it just by virtue of getting married. I want that money to go to poor people, not to fucking the woman he married to get half of it.

[Evan]

Okay, let me ask you. Let me ask you a question.

[Parks]

She was poor.

[Flip]

Mark.

[Evan]

Mark, let me ask you a question. God forbid you and. You and your wife don't work out, you get divorced and later on you go to get remarried. Would you prenup that? Because now you already got all this. That. That person didn't help you get any of it.

[Parks]

That's one of them counterfactual hypotheticals. If. If me and my wife don't work out, you ain't never seeing me get married again. You go see me the worst of places.

[Evan]

Got it?

[Parks]

Put like this. You gonna see me and Imani out a lot. We gonna be seeing. Taking selfies, and she's gonna be on Instagram. We're gonna be in the wildest of places. Yeah, so that's a. That. That's a non factor.

[Melissa Ford]

That's an interesting choice that he made, though. And I'm surprised that his family if it's true because they could be trolling. Yeah, I'm surprised his family allowed that to happen.

[Evan]

They grown.

[Melissa Ford]

I know they can't, but I'm sure that they could. You know, levy a lot of pressure.

[Flip]

Like everybody family is different.

[Evan]

And not just that we don't know that they have it. We don't know that they not feeling none of this. You know, there's instances where they go to go off and get married under whatever circumstances, and the family don't like.

[Flip]

That shit or people be rebelling on.

[Parks]

You know, his mom said something. Yeah. I mean, his mom is heavily involved in his career.

[Joe Budden]

She knows.

[Flip]

Is that you know that to be true? I don't know.

[G]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Oh, his mother is he know everything.

[G]

Nigga, he the doctor.

[Parks]

She's involved and she's involved.

[G]

He offered to marry them.

[Parks]

Don't think I wouldn't. Very small fee.

[Joe Budden]

From that video. From that video that's circulating of him dancing at what looks like a reception. I don't know if it's his reception. It looked like he probably ain't ever had no black safe or something. I'm just going to put it out there.

[Evan]

Safe to us.

[Joe Budden]

Say it.

[Flip]

Where you from?

[Joe Budden]

I have no idea. I don't know nothing about Travis Hunter outside of what Deion Sanders told me. But I know when it look like a nigga a ain't never had no black pussy.

[Parks]

That's the setup to lose everything.

[Evan]

And that's what Jaden Daniels moms is sitting there saying will not be happening to her son.

[G]

Yeah, good point.

[Joe Budden]

She just goes overboard.

[Parks]

To who?

[Joe Budden]

Us. Us, the streets.

[Evan]

She looking at it as if. I don't go overboard. We get that.

[Flip]

Hey, Mike. Sunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

So I'm just curious. Well, first, let me ask you, Mel, because you're in an interesting situation. You're in an interesting position as the only. No, the only woman on the set. Right. How do you feel about the. How do you feel about the prenup?

[Evan]

Yo?

[Parks]

How do you feel about the prenup? Like, would you have entered any. Any potential marriage that you considered. Would you have done it without. With a prenup? Without a prenup?

[Melissa Ford]

I would want a prenup up, yes. But that's just at this stage of my life.

[Parks]

You would want one?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Flip]

On whose behalf?

[Melissa Ford]

On both of our behalfs.

[Parks]

Why you don't take in your Gracie Award, nigga?

[Melissa Ford]

I got.

[Parks]

I got this maggot.

[G]

Watch your mouth.

[Melissa Ford]

Playing with me. I got assets, okay?

[G]

Watch your mouth. Watch your mouth. Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Cut Daisy in half.

[G]

Hey, yo, no. I ain't gonna let y' all do that to her. I got you, man. What the. Hey, hold on. What's wrong with y' all picking on me like that? She got the bookshelf. Watch your mouth. The catcher and the ride.

[Parks]

Who gets this TV?

[G]

She got asses. The 27 inch.

[Flip]

He grew up in West Palm.

[Melissa Ford]

West Palm Beach.

[Flip]

West Palm Beach.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Easy. That was one of Mark's better.

[Flip]

What's that?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that. Joey's assessment is probably very correct.

[Flip]

So all white girls?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, who gets the king, man?

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, they're collectors items, okay? They are collectors items.

[Joe Budden]

Keeping my spoon smooth.

[G]

Smooth magazine.

[Melissa Ford]

Collector's item. Collector's item. Anyhow. Yes, I Would want to sign a prenup. I'm not letting them play with me.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, talk to me like you talk to Theo. Nigga, watch your fucking tone. Yeah, don't come over here. Talk to me like you talk to Malcolm Jamal.

[G]

You saw that?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I seen it. Oh, we all saw it.

[Melissa Ford]

And we can get to this later. You guys can tell me your assessment of how we interacted with one another. However, at this stage of my life.

[G]

Let's go.

[Melissa Ford]

I would want a prenup.

[G]

Uh huh.

[Melissa Ford]

I Assets. No, no, no, listen. For him, I love the fact, if this is in fact true, that he is that in love with his girl. I love that, I love that for him.

[Ish]

I don't think the prenup necessarily has to be.

[Parks]

I think that's a bad reason.

[Ish]

How much you love or don't love?

[Melissa Ford]

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I absolutely. No, I absolutely. I'm thinking like, I'm trying to think like a very, very young person and how. Idealize. How much we idealize love. You know what I'm saying? It's different at this age where we have life experience and shit like that. Jaded cynicism and all that shit. We really idealize love and we look at our partner as forever, you know, Like, I love that, I love that for him. If it's a hard lesson for him to learn in the future, we don't know. We don't know. But I love the fact that he idealizes love so much and feels that that level of connection with his partner that he feels like this is forever. I think that's. I think that's very sweet.

[Parks]

And I think that. I think that's a bad reason.

[Melissa Ford]

I think it's a terrible reason. I think love is terrible reason. But it is, it is the fact.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think congrats to them on their marriage. I think it's a smart move for a young man about to move into a bunch of money to get married and stay out of some potential pitfalls that we see other people fall into. Yeah, I think we should be looking at the population positive things about this shit.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying. I'm going with the positive.

[Joe Budden]

And you better make it work too. Because black women will have their I told you so moment in the event that it doesn't, what's his girls, they gonna have that moment. Black girls don't care. It'd be a story. White, white, white guy got killed by his white girlfriend at the house. Black girls be like, told you, told.

[Evan]

You, told you fucking with them white.

[G]

Hey, yo, speaking of. Did you. Did you.

[Joe Budden]

Did you hear about black girls? Don't give a. He died, y' all.

[G]

The white. The white girl that killed the. Her black boyfriend. She's not charged. She got off.

[Joe Budden]

She got off.

[G]

Yeah, yeah. And black LA was like, see, that's what happened when you keep going Vanilla ice cream, man.

[Joe Budden]

Park your own factory. With all that jungle fever, your wife could take the argument places. You can't.

[Parks]

She would take it further. She take it further.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations. Congratulations. And his wife, I don't see a.

[G]

Long road, but shout out to prenup Mel. I'm down with you, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Mel said I got assets. Go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

You know Mel old enough to have something in that savings now. That's true.

[G]

She got some. Old Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Mel got. She got some shoes and somebody might have left her a little something. Come. Still male, ho.

[G]

It'd be one of them young from the Bronx.

[Parks]

Hey, guys, you see my Instagram holding Daisy?

[Joe Budden]

Wait, that's on the front page of my Hulu this morning. I've seen this story a million times already. But the white guy who just caught women all around the world into thinking that he was their man.

[G]

Yo, he got on.

[Evan]

He was killed.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, was it the Dear John?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it's a different one.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, yeah, yeah, they didn't know.

[Evan]

Oh, okay. I watched one Netflix or something.

[Joe Budden]

It's the same white dude. Yeah, it's the same dude.

[G]

That's cool.

[Flip]

That nigga white man.

[G]

Why you think you can't get spun? Meaning like a young man can't come into your life and get you to trick on him, Let you let him drive the car.

[Melissa Ford]

Trick it. Wait, tricking is different. Like, so you would trick. Giving gifts is different from putting you in my will and putting you as the beneficiary of my life insurance policy. That is a huge difference.

[G]

You drop hours to chill, girl. You drop three hours just to go chill.

[Melissa Ford]

Just like everybody know. He does not know all. She just let me go check all.

[Ish]

All.

[G]

Hey, you chilled out outside the crib.

[Parks]

That's what Canadians get real bad.

[G]

He didn't even go in the house. You chilled outside on the balcony.

[Melissa Ford]

Shut up. Any who.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and that's still different from signing to die.

[Melissa Ford]

Very much so.

[Joe Budden]

Mel would definitely sign a.

[Melissa Ford]

It wouldn't. It would never. It would never happen.

[G]

The point is, Mel, you're a lover. You love Mel, you love. You got to stop doing that.

[Melissa Ford]

It would never happen behind the back. Freaking frack. What do you say, man?

[Parks]

Over There.

[Evan]

All right. Nobody want to say it.

[Parks]

No.

[Evan]

We're not with you at all. I'm not going.

[G]

I'm with her.

[Evan]

Spending you like a top.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[G]

Why do you. What that little. What's that little game that you.

[Parks]

I don't see that, man. I don't see that for Mel.

[Joe Budden]

I think.

[Flip]

I think Mel is a romantic.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[G]

Thank you. That's what I was trying to say.

[Parks]

Maybe. Maybe even to a fault.

[Flip]

And I think that the right.

[Evan]

The right young saying and doing the. That you really been wanting.

[G]

Start spitting lyrics from.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Mata.

[G]

I never heard that.

[Joe Budden]

Boy.

[Ish]

No, I think Bell is probably not that. To a fault. Like, that's probably why you're not married now is because you've been too, like, defensive with. On some level.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And guess what?

[Melissa Ford]

Like this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Get him barked.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. He's absolutely right. No, he's absolutely right. I've had.

[Flip]

What you just.

[Melissa Ford]

I've had an avoidant attachment style my whole life.

[Joe Budden]

What was that?

[Flip]

What was that right there?

[Melissa Ford]

Heisman.

[G]

Avoid accountability.

[Flip]

You know, Move your hands. Never heard that.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I never heard that.

[Parks]

No, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

But Parks is absolutely right.

[Parks]

I don't see Mel getting spun. Yo, for real.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you, Mark. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with y' all.

[Parks]

I've known Mel 15 years. I've never seen her spend a dollar on anything like.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[Parks]

I don't see.

[Melissa Ford]

There was that one time.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

You know.

[G]

Right.

[Parks]

With that one person. Right. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I can see Mel doing the emotional labor, but I don't see Mel actually reaching her pocket and giving somebody her credit card or signing.

[Evan]

No, that's not what I'm. That's not getting spun. You ain't got to reach in your pocket.

[Parks]

I'm saying I don't see a sign of no paperwork neither. For the same reason.

[G]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about a young coming into male life. Life right now and taking her on a ride of Ferris wheel.

[Parks]

Yes, I get it.

[G]

Will happen, and she would. And he'll get some dollars out of her.

[Parks]

I don't see giving up no bread. She ain't wired that way.

[G]

We can't do that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, that's true.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[G]

I'm sorry. That was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

We're gonna talk about Mel's love life. I don't think we should be hyper focused.

[Parks]

Not with her here. It was way better when you weren't here. We was able to really hyper focus yeah, let's talk about if home girl.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T get woman's intuition that night. Mel was in the blender already.

[Parks]

That was a whole different kind of spot.

[Joe Budden]

Mel was in the blender already. If homegirl didn't get that feeling in her gut feeling in the little late night trip, Mel was already halfway.

[Evan]

Halfway to the moon.

[G]

She was twitching.

[Joe Budden]

And then the bears kicked my ass for saying chicken got it done, cuz.

[G]

It didn't sorokti.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, it did not.

[G]

Okay.

[Evan]

I said, I think nobody should hyper.

[Joe Budden]

Focus on your loved one.

[G]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, fine.

[Evan]

Don't worry too much on Mel.

[Joe Budden]

But just know that when we hyper focus.

[G]

It be sitting there.

[Flip]

It wasn't a chicken, yo.

[Parks]

It wasn't.

[G]

And on top of that, Mel, real quick, did you come up with a decision?

[Joe Budden]

Mel was the first door dash.

[G]

Mel, did you come up with a decision so we could talk about what, you know, what we saw over the weekend, or you should just. Man, we'll leave it alone.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, we'll leave it alone.

[G]

Cause remember when Joe called you?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, no, it's Cory. I think we gotta put that Mac and cheese preheat.

[G]

Mel, you was trying to get to. Mel, look at me. You was trying to get to the bag.

[Melissa Ford]

Damn.

[G]

Racks on racks on racks.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, the bag I ate that we're gonna fucking share.

[Parks]

Can I add.

[Joe Budden]

But. And this is for everybody. How come when y' all do certain shit outside of here, we can't talk about it?

[G]

You can, but it's the way you do it.

[Melissa Ford]

We totally can.

[G]

It's the way you do. And like if you talk about it regular, like you don't hold no punches. Hey, I saw that bullshit you did, boy. Look at like. You gotta hold punches with your friends. Because when it takes. When you want such a big broadcast and you're doing your own thing. Coming from you who put us, who hired us, you want to hear positivity positive.

[Evan]

Not just that.

[G]

And we want to hear some praises. Wait, hold on, let me finish. Nigga. Boy, you take it further. We do like. We do like when you give praises, but when you not on that praise, it. It's a sting.

[Evan]

It ain't even about the stink. It's just a lot of hang on your every word.

[G]

That's what I say. Freeze.

[Evan]

So like you called it negativity highlighter at one point.

[G]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Even though that was a. A thing about that. A specific instance. But you coming out trashing something that somebody out here is working on could lead to a lot of.

[Melissa Ford]

It's facts.

[Evan]

The Same way you coming out. Whether you're not. If you don't say nothing and they just do what it do. Fine. You coming out praising something that somebody working on could lead to a lot of on the other side. You guys, your voice is dumb.

[Joe Budden]

You guys, bear with me for a second. Work with me.

[G]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like we've had that talk before.

[Evan]

We have.

[Joe Budden]

I received the message there.

[G]

You have?

[Joe Budden]

That's not what I'm saying.

[G]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying if somebody outside of here do something that. That would indeed be classified as nutty.

[G]

We should be able to talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about me creating a narrative off of something positive. We did not. No, no, no.

[Evan]

If I go outside.

[G]

That's not what I meant neither.

[Evan]

If I go leave here and bug out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And then I come back in here, I'm supposed to act like business as usual. Nothing happened.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all like, yo, like my sleepwalking shit. I did not expect to come back to work and it not be mentioned.

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Even though that was beyond my control.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[G]

I mean, you live by example with that. Yeah. I mean, you.

[Joe Budden]

But wouldn't that be stupid to come to work in this workplace with the people in this workplace and say.

[Evan]

You don't talk about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't talk about me sleepwalking, y' all.

[Flip]

If the sleepwalking didn't go public.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I talked about it before, and it never went public. I talked about sleeping in a bed with somebody.

[Evan]

No.

[Joe Budden]

I was embarrassing the universe. No.

[Melissa Ford]

This particular situation and how it unfolded didn't go public.

[Joe Budden]

Public.

[Flip]

Then none of us would have mentioned that. You get what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Well, how would you know that unless you was in the hallway?

[Melissa Ford]

Well, it might have been something that we, like.

[Flip]

We could have found out internally.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Like, let's say, hypothetically, you were going through that internally and the world didn't know about it and that.

[Joe Budden]

Let's try this a different way.

[Flip]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

When Mel had published. Yeah.

[Evan]

I say that on the platform. She expect because she put it public.

[Joe Budden]

But nobody to say nothing. That's my question.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

For the second time.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[G]

Man, that has so much.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[G]

So many views.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done.

[Parks]

What are we talking about? I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

It doesn't. Listen, listen, Linda. It doesn't matter. Moving right along.

[Evan]

That's right. Moving right along.

[G]

Yo, really, we gonna do this?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Flip]

I really don't know.

[Ish]

Did you end the sale?

[Melissa Ford]

It's fine. Yes, it's fine.

[G]

But what made you.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, my God.

[G]

Look, at me. Look at me as your brother's a.

[Parks]

Good thing to talk about. I think it's good to put on tabs so we.

[G]

Audience.

[Melissa Ford]

Audience cares about telling you put it in. Oh, okay, hold on. I gotta take.

[G]

What made you post that?

[Joe Budden]

Let's. Let's you go to the kitchen. We're gonna talk about your back.

[Parks]

We'll discuss.

[G]

She put the half full. That was $3. She said half off, girl, you wasn't making 10. It wasn't 20. That was $3.

[Joe Budden]

299. I support creators creating prices.

[Evan]

I'm about to say we just had the conversation about.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Evan]

You know what I mean?

[G]

I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Big Mal.

[Parks]

I'm not familiar with the story, but whatever she's doing, I support it.

[Joe Budden]

That's nice.

[Parks]

Fully.

[Ish]

Be careful.

[G]

Extremely careful.

[Parks]

As a content creator, I support it.

[Ish]

Be careful.

[Parks]

Yeah. Mel, can you. Can you break it down for us? Because I'm not familiar with this.

[G]

He doesn't want to. We gonna move on. Okay.

[Parks]

Oh. If you don't want to talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, what is our next order of business? Mel is the greatest.

[Melissa Ford]

Let me set a timer.

[Parks]

Yo, can y' all.

[Ish]

Our next order of business is the Mac and cheese that she's cooking.

[Parks]

Did you put it in the oven?

[Joe Budden]

I just.

[Melissa Ford]

I put it in the.

[Flip]

You ain't preheat?

[Melissa Ford]

The oven was preheated.

[G]

She about to put time on.

[Parks]

How long do you cook it for?

[Joe Budden]

Mel put the cheese on the bottom of the pan. Excuse me.

[Melissa Ford]

It was. No, I just do a. I do a light.

[Joe Budden]

Mel puts cheese on the bottom of the pan.

[Melissa Ford]

I do a light dusting.

[Unknown]

How did you put cheese?

[Parks]

How long does it cook for?

[Melissa Ford]

It's cooking for, like 35 minutes, but I'm. I have to get up in order to take the foil off in order to crisp the top.

[Joe Budden]

That's a convection oven. All right, Never mind.

[Ish]

The answer is no. That's just a regular oven.

[Flip]

That's convection.

[Parks]

Do you normally make it in a regular oven?

[Flip]

That expensive ass oven better be convection.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's see what happens.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Flip]

Ain't no over there.

[Parks]

I may taste. I may taste the Mac and cheese. Just to see. Just.

[G]

There we go. All right.

[Parks]

Will you taste it too?

[G]

No, I'm lactose intolerant.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. That's a liar.

[Parks]

Come on, Flip. Let's just one bite.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Oh, yo, you'll be wilding off that Sarah, you know.

[G]

Yo, that Diddy, when you on that Sarah, look at you. You talk popping champagne, you get a little different you put your whole body in.

[Parks]

You good, dog? I'm great. I just asked a question, man. Can we move on?

[G]

Yes.

[Parks]

Speaking of Diddy, there's been a lot of Kid Cudi talk. Yes, sir. There's some. There's a serious part and a not so serious part, but I guess the first part is the actual case. Puff's lawyers want the Kid Cudi testimony taken out. And as somebody who is appalled by Diddy and appalled by this whole story, I feel bad, but they right.

[Flip]

They wrong.

[Evan]

They wrong.

[Ish]

What's it based on?

[Parks]

You think Diddy's lawyers are wrong?

[Evan]

Yes, I think.

[Ish]

Why do they want to.

[G]

Wait, hold on.

[Ish]

Why do they want to remove.

[Evan]

Okay, they want Kid Cudi's testimony removed because they said it's all speculation.

[Flip]

True.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Evan]

They. He didn't actually witness anything. How do you know Puff did. Came in your house and opened your gifts, locked the dog up. How do you know he was the one behind whatever happened to your car? Like, you didn't see him. You have no proof it's him.

[Melissa Ford]

This is exactly what his team said.

[Evan]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Kid Cudi.

[G]

Glasses on.

[Melissa Ford]

Right. I know Kid Cudi's speculation about Combs involvement had minimal probative value. Whereas the danger of unfair prejudice, particularly since he was opening. Since he was opening, about ultimate issue as to which he was the alleged victim. Whether Combs was guilty of arson or one of the charged racketeering acts was great.

[Evan]

The point is, during testimony. Object to this shit.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Flip]

I've been in the court where it's hearsay speculation. Objection. Objection. And they'll beat that whole fucking argument up. Basically killed him on the cross, yo. They allowed pictures to be shown of a car that got burnt up to influence the jury. Motherfucker. Who burnt your car up? Prove that I burnt your car up.

[Evan]

And in the conversation in Cudi's testimony, he says he met with Puff at some Soho house house. He met with Puff there. They had a conversation, and he was like, yo, but about my car? Puff's response was, what car?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Evan]

So even if I'm the lawyer, yo, my client didn't even know what the he was talking about. But then when you talk to him, you didn't know.

[Melissa Ford]

But then a couple of years ago, he. He stated that him and Puff ran into each other again. Yeah. And Puff was remorseful.

[Flip]

Just said, I'm sorry for all that is hearsay.

[Parks]

Yeah, like, dog, it's not hearsay. But. But I get your point. It has limited value. It's not hearsay. Cause he told him Directly.

[Flip]

He told him directly. It's not hearsay. But when you saying, yo, he came in my house and did this to my car, what. I mean, he unwrapped my gifts. He turned my alarm off.

[Parks]

I know I shouldn't find the door.

[Flip]

I put my dog in the bathroom. You can't prove Puff did none of that shit or even ordered it done.

[Evan]

Maybe we.

[Flip]

I mean, behind closed doors, we might think that he did. But you can't prove that.

[Joe Budden]

You're known in the. Proven that. It is two different things.

[Flip]

It's two totally different things. And you influenced the jury and you influenced the public by saying, I did all this.

[Parks]

But that's why I'm saying Diddy's lawyers are right.

[Flip]

No, they're wrong. They should have did that at the cross.

[Parks]

I think that's true, too. I think they fucked up. And I think Diddy has a real argument for ineffective counsel, which might be the backdoor strategy here. No, Diddy intended. But aside from the backdoor strategy, you.

[Flip]

Said theoretically it should be. Exactly.

[Evan]

I agree with you.

[Parks]

But I still think they have an argument that this should be thrown out. Because also, ultimately, I want. Whenever I think of Diddy, and I don't think much of Diddy, I still want defendants in general to be.

[Flip]

Have fair trial.

[Parks]

Yeah. To have a fair trial and somebody bringing in some shit. If Cudi had said, look, Diddy told me he burned it out.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's different.

[Parks]

Then. That's fine.

[Flip]

It's not hearsay.

[Parks]

But I'm like, he fucking told you what's called.

[Evan]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Parks]

I don't know what you're talking about. Which any reasonable person would say. Because you think they're wearing a wire.

[Evan]

Of course.

[Parks]

So I understand why Diddy would want this thrown out, is all I'm saying. And I. I hate that it went down that way. And I believe Cudi. I believe Cudi 100%.

[Flip]

I'm sure a bunch of people believe that this is the truth.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

But that's what I believe to be the truth. And what you can prove is the truth are two totally different things. And I think that his lawyers and them dropped the ball on him.

[Parks]

They totally dropped the ball.

[Flip]

I think that.

[Parks]

But the thing that I keep. You think that could be strategy again? Maybe they're trying to prepare for an ineffective counsel. Some shit where. Like, look, there was some shit here where clearly, you know, I mean, like.

[Joe Budden]

Like y' all say that. I don't view that that way.

[Parks]

What do you mean who do you think?

[Joe Budden]

Like, with the whole ineffective council thing? Because they didn't object, object, object while Kid Cudi was up there. If, If. If you know someone. I must say Kid Cudi is another star witness. All the reports I've read, that's how they reacted to it. If you noted all of his testimony, you might have a chance of taking out. Maybe you let him go. Maybe that. Maybe that's a strategy.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. So they don't make an appeal for ineffective counsel because this was so obvious that they should have been done.

[Evan]

I don't understand y' all saying.

[Joe Budden]

Look, I'm not saying that that happens for him to file for ineffective counsel. I'm saying if the council is great, maybe their strategy together is to let all of that go and have all of it stricken.

[Parks]

Which is why I say I see what you're saying now. Yeah. And that's why I say I think they're right for making this point. I think it's right.

[Joe Budden]

And I agree with you that they're doing the right thing here.

[Evan]

Yo, let's keep it a buck, though.

[Flip]

The jury can't unhear what they heard.

[Evan]

That's what I was about to say.

[Parks]

And that's the hard part here.

[Flip]

What they heard, I heard the right.

[Parks]

And they already. But the truth is, they already heard that before they got to court.

[Evan]

Yeah, but I don't see the pictures of the car. None of us saw the pictures of the car.

[Flip]

I knew about him blowing.

[Evan]

I didn't know about the gifts, and.

[Flip]

I saw the dogs and breaking in the house and all that other. That's more diabolical than him blowing up my car.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's some cold blood.

[Flip]

He broke in my house. He disarmed the alarm and put my dog in the bathroom and unwrapped my gifts.

[Parks]

Not to be toxic. Not to be toxic. What are we talking about?

[Flip]

It's way scarier than a nigga throwing a Molotov cocktail in your car.

[Parks]

Not to be toxic. But if my wife ever were to date somebody else, and I don't know if she hears this part of the podcast, I'd like to think it's very deep enough. I'd like. Yeah, I hope so. But I'd like to actually. I may send this to her.

[Flip]

Dan Marino and you.

[Parks]

I do this. This is the level of petty and diabolical that I want aspire to be. I don't support anything Diddy has done, but I understand the idea of tracking down if my particularly if she were, like, cheating? Not so much. Like, if she just. If we break up. If you break up, yeah. Move on with your life. But if there's just another nigga that's showing up or showing attention, yeah, I wanna unwrap his gifts. His dog gonna go miss, you know what I mean? He may have a drop top that he didn't buy. You know what I'm saying? Like, am I alone in this? I know you understand. You've been married 19. More than 19 years.

[G]

You. 17 years, number one. Number two, you're not alone. But I'm not gonna elaborate. I learned how to edit myself off. I ain't gonna elaborate.

[Parks]

Parks, you with me too, right?

[Ish]

No, no.

[Parks]

I ain't even gotta ask Ice. I already know. Nice. Ride with me.

[G]

Yo, real quick, though. How y' all feel about Thug calling Cudi a rat? Call him a rat.

[Melissa Ford]

What the fuck? He's a subpoenaed witness. How. How does. How does snitch culture overlap with this when you are subpoenaed, but you have a federal fucking subpoena?

[Evan]

He's a civilian.

[G]

Did Kid Cudi remove himself from hip hop?

[Parks]

I stand with. I stand with Thug on this one.

[G]

Yeah. Did he freeze? Did Kid Cuddy.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up, Mark.

[Evan]

What?

[Parks]

He's such a liar on my mama. He does.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[Flip]

He stated that position from the day he walked in.

[Melissa Ford]

It's a federal subpoena.

[Parks]

I don't recall. And if you.

[Flip]

You don't got to give the testimony.

[Parks]

I don't recall is what you say.

[G]

Freeze. Did Kid Cudy remove himself from hip hop?

[Evan]

Huh? No, I can't say so.

[G]

There's rules and there street rules and there's rules that you abide.

[Parks]

You asking the wrong over here.

[G]

I know. I'm just asking.

[Evan]

Hold on, hold on. Room 3B. No, no. Where's the hip hop rules?

[Joe Budden]

You know, about the interesting talk here. I wish I were happy.

[Evan]

I'm trying. Where's the hip hop rule book that.

[G]

Says not about it?

[Joe Budden]

You said there's rules.

[G]

Is an unspoken rule in hip hop since before Eric B and Rakim.

[Flip]

You're wrong.

[G]

It's an unspoken rule.

[Evan]

Let me let you finish.

[Parks]

Go ahead.

[G]

Yeah. Where a lot back in the days, A lot of people. You talking about today. What are you talking about?

[Evan]

We not back in the days.

[G]

All right? What I'm saying is that you said, where's the rules? The unspoken rules. Back in the days, a lot of the rappers hung out with street and they rapped about the niggas that they were hanging out with and they embodied their lifestyle.

[Evan]

I'm with you 1000%.

[G]

So what I'm saying is that that rule, Unspoken rule, trickled down to today in hip hop. You're not supposed to tell.

[Evan]

Take a stand against what street niggas did Kid Cudi align himself with and rap about? He didn't do none of the stuff of the people that you talking about. He didn't come up that way.

[Flip]

And back in the day, he's not.

[Evan]

A part of none of that.

[Flip]

Basketball. You can only take two steps. Now, nowadays, niggas take five and get to the bucket. It's a whole different ballgame. I think that. That the what you are correct. And where you come from and where I may come from and where Mark may come from, that don't apply to other people in hip hop. Some of these niggas didn't come from that. Some of these boys grew up in the suburbs and played with a sail and learned how to make their own beats and all that other shit and took a whole different.

[G]

This is why. I understand. Listen. This is why. If they said Kelsey did that and Tory ain't snitch, I would attribute it to him following rules of hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Can I hear Mark and Mel have the fight? Cause I might be with Mel. I'm confused by your position.

[Parks]

You can't be. I'm consistent with this. This is what I'm saying. Cudi has every legal right to do what he did. And I don't know if I would use the word rat. Cause I like to reserve the word rat for people who commit crimes and then sell out the person who they committed crimes with.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But I absolutely wouldn't do what Cudi did. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

And which is testify.

[Parks]

Which is testified. I mean, the nigga opened your Christmas presents. Like, there's a way to handle shit like that. And that's not it.

[Evan]

But it's built to handle that.

[Parks]

And I don't respect that. And Thug doesn't respect that. I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to do it. And I think civilians should do civilian shit. I'm just saying that's why I don't love the word rat. I think I would have used a different word to describe it.

[G]

Tattletail.

[Parks]

But yeah. But I would definitely criticize that, especially. Especially because Cudi was talking about, I want to see that nigga. I want to fight that nigga. I told her I met up with that nigga. They had to talk about him hiding his dog and Taking his Tonka truck. I'm super shocked by your position that shit.

[Evan]

I'm not.

[Parks]

I said that's the other day. I say it all the time. Like, you gotta take a lane again. If you're a civilian, you do civilian shit. Fine.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like this podcast started with him expressing how happy he was that some of the COVID behaviors come into the limelight. Right?

[Parks]

Yeah, But I don't think all covert behavior needs to be handled through the criminal legal system. I think there's a way to handle.

[Joe Budden]

Would it be okay for Kid Cudi to try and shake down Puff? You would be fine with that part.

[Parks]

I was thinking of a different response to that one that I wouldn't necessarily say.

[Flip]

When he saw Puff in the Soho House, he could have Mary Fisted.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. You standing. You stand in front of him after saying you want to fight the.

[Joe Budden]

In the event that somebody doesn't want to fight the person that they may be afraid of, what do you suggest they do?

[Parks]

One, don't say, I want to fight the. And two, I'm not holding.

[Ish]

Ask for a new Porsche.

[Evan]

And not just that he let the.

[Parks]

At least was 2012.

[Evan]

He let the go for like, he let it go. He got subpoenaed. It ain't like he walked up and said, hey, let me tell y' all something about him. Yeah, I'm not subpoenaed the nigga.

[Parks]

I'm not calling him a rat.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm shocked because in your very first breath, you. I don't want to say applaud the behavior from Puff up toward Kid Cudi, but empathize with it and understand where that person is coming from and could maybe identify if put in a similar situation.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

So you want to be able to do all the things Puff did to keep Cudi without the repercussion of the nigga going to jail. I mean, the nigga putting forth the action to put you in jail.

[Parks]

Start from the premise. You're missing an important premise here, which is, I don't necessarily think jail and prison is the way to resolve our problems.

[G]

He always said that.

[Parks]

So. But I don't believe there shouldn't be consequences for behavior.

[G]

Are you surprised because of. Are you surprised because of Mark Lamont? Because you would understand what we're saying.

[Parks]

Of course he would.

[G]

Are you surprised Joe's done the same shit? Are you surprised because it's Mark Lamont here? I'm surprised that a man of your stature.

[Joe Budden]

Because I'm hearing. I'm just hearing different Conflicting views.

[Parks]

And I'm saying it's because if you really hear what I'm saying. Because I don't believe in jail and prison. I believe in accountability. Shit gotta come from somewhere.

[Flip]

Question. I'm. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

But it should only come from women.

[Flip]

I'm not opposed to yourself.

[G]

Oh, I see, what I'm saying.

[Parks]

I'm saying men, women, whoever. I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

No, you're not saying.

[Parks]

There's no woman involved in this.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I'm not doing this with you.

[Parks]

Indirectly, I think you're missing my point.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm saying indirectly.

[Parks]

I'm saying if you. If. If. Joe. If somebody blew your fucking car up, you would not call the police. You'd go fuck them up.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know that to be true.

[Flip]

No, he won't.

[Parks]

Okay, fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know that to be true.

[Parks]

If you did, let me. All right, that's fair. If you did, I would not fault you for that.

[Ish]

What if it's someone you can't fuck up?

[Parks]

Then don't say, I wanna fuck them up.

[Evan]

What if you say that every day.

[Joe Budden]

About niggas, they can't fuck up?

[Parks]

But to me, that's a contradiction that I'm pointing out. If a civilian does civilian shit, I'm okay with it. I'm civilian. If I. I wouldn't call the police, but if I did, I don't think it's wrong to call the police.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Parks]

I'm not saying that's what I said. He's not a rat. He didn't do rat shit. This is civilian.

[Ish]

What's the remedy if someone does some shit to you and you can't fuck them up in your system?

[Evan]

Just eat that, right?

[Parks]

I would.

[Evan]

I would need.

[Parks]

I would need a specific example. It depends on what it is.

[Ish]

He can't up puff.

[Joe Budden]

Cuddy can't up puff no matter what he said to him on the phone. He quickly realized that after he said.

[Flip]

It, now he said, yo, I'm on my way.

[Evan]

Oh, you know what?

[Melissa Ford]

This here's. Here's my take on this situation. Kid Cudi is a civilian here.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

He's not beholden to whatever rules, and he does not think that way. Also, this is. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is the first time he's ever had to do what? This is testify in front of open court, a federal case having been subpoenaed. How the fuck are you supposed to know what you're supposed to do, what you're supposed to say, how you're supposed to edit yourself, audit what you're. What you're saying. Yeah, he's just blessed saying it all.

[Ish]

I still want to know the remedy.

[Parks]

Yeah, and I'm not ignoring that question. I just. I'm gonna circle back because now I understand what you were asking about the just women thing, too. Let me be clear. I never believe that the courts in the criminal system is the best way to handle things. I understand, as a practical matter, that until we provide alternatives, people have to do that. So when someone steals your car or assaults you or kidnaps you or molest you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I don't say you snitch or you fucking with the system. No. You have to use the best tools that you have in front of you. I just don't think that that's the ideal system. And that's not for just women. That's for anybody. Right. Including Cudi. So, again, I don't say Cudi is wrong for doing this, and I definitely wouldn't say Cudi's a rat for doing it. I think we overuse the word rat and snitch. It's just not fair. That's just not fair. What I am saying, though, is I don't play by those rules. And so I can empathize with why thug would feel away about somebody doing that, especially if you put the option of fucking him up on the table. Now, maybe I'm holding too much weight. And I hear you.

[Evan]

I think you are.

[Parks]

Maybe I'm putting too much weight on that.

[Evan]

He could have just said that shit in a minute.

[Parks]

That might be fair. Because if you don't. If you don't mention fucking him up, then I haven't. And you call the police because he blew up your car, I'd still be.

[Ish]

Like, damn, Maybe he Googled, like, height, weight.

[Flip]

Mark said he stands by yo. You go to court and you say, yo, I don't recall what happened.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's right.

[Flip]

I don't remember.

[Ish]

But I'm still wondering what the number is.

[Evan]

I remember.

[Joe Budden]

But, Mark, also, I would take a.

[Parks]

Civil option over that.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Parks]

That's what I'm saying. Because again, like, again, that's not perfect for me, but at least then it fits my abolitionist principle, which is, you blew up my car. You need to restore me to what I lost. As I keep saying on the show, putting somebody in a cage doesn't restore what you lost.

[Flip]

They gotta rewrap their gifts at Neiman's.

[Ish]

Yeah, what about the emotional?

[Evan]

What about the Fact that like. Like, yo, this nigga could come in my house anytime he want. He just proved that to me. Get it back.

[Parks]

How you a battle? I thought I said get a dog.

[G]

But Puss took that serum. Get a real dog.

[Joe Budden]

Get a real dog. Oh, man, he'd have struggled putting that Cane Corso.

[Evan]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

That wouldn't work with Brooklyn. Yeah, no, not at all.

[Evan]

At all.

[Melissa Ford]

Was there a reason why he said it? Like, was there a question that provoked that response?

[Joe Budden]

Can we just wait before you have an intelligent conversation? Let's just highlight March of maturity.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

It's not the Ciroco off the Ciroc.

[Evan]

That Diddy Juice got him.

[G]

This is the idea.

[Parks]

Somebody coming to your crib and opening your presence.

[Evan]

That's the. Trying to send you a message.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

That's so disrespectful.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Again, that remind me of what you.

[Parks]

Think it's time to wrap them?

[Evan]

That remind me of. Of what happened with NBA youngboy out in Texas when Jay Princeton was trying to holla at him. He was ignoring them, playing them out. And then they went. Took his keys to his Rolls Royce, took the umbrellas out. Just to show you, hey, we can get in here, right? Like, it's just a message we send.

[Flip]

We ain't nothing up getting in the.

[Evan]

Car versus getting the car was in the garage. You got in my garage.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Evan]

You showing me that I could get in here.

[Joe Budden]

I would have laughed too, because on my nigga side, this is hilarious. It's just a lot going on with celebrities being stalked.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[G]

You want to be mindful before you.

[Joe Budden]

Lend your laughs is getting a whole jewelry box, the whole safe. They running out with the whole safe. Yeah, they killing people again. I always go back to Lady Gaga's dog sitter. Like, yeah, I just seen. It's just too much going on going. They tracking the athletes away schedule and just they going crazy. So this is hilarious. But I understand how it's scary as I get that.

[Parks]

Well, I get that.

[Joe Budden]

And for most people that pay their.

[Evan]

Tax dollars, that the picture I heard.

[Flip]

About a picture that they took of y' all walking out the stadium.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all walking out the stadium, you.

[Flip]

And your girl and y' all, they said they was. Y' all was hailing down, so. Or something.

[Evan]

That's scary.

[Flip]

My.

[Joe Budden]

That's regular.

[Flip]

That somebody knows exactly what door you coming out.

[Evan]

It's a celebrity door. They all. I know that door. They stand there and just video everybody that comes.

[Ish]

That's a slightly different situation.

[Evan]

They catch anybody coming out or going in anybody.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. And if it's one thing I could count on my driver for being late getting you lined up is to not be right where I. I need him to be.

[Evan]

You say that all the time.

[Joe Budden]

My driver don't really understand on that celebrity stuff.

[Flip]

No, he don't understand.

[Evan]

He don't understand associated with it. He don't understand Rush.

[Joe Budden]

That too. There's a few things he know.

[Flip]

I think he picking up a.

[Evan]

A corporate dude.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he used to driving them around.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's different no matter how many times he see me get my dick sucked back there. Right.

[Ish]

Well, he probably sees that too.

[Evan]

They get their dick suc.

[Parks]

Too.

[Evan]

Yeah, they are.

[Flip]

They get their dick sucked too.

[Joe Budden]

Touche.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Any who's.

[Melissa Ford]

Any who.

[Evan]

The other thing, just to close out the whole rat thing, because you were saying it's basically unwritten rules and all of this. One part that a lot of street people in particularly don't understand is those on the other side don't really give a fuck what y' all think.

[G]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And I'm not some. A lot don't. A lot don't. A lot don't play in that world. A lot don't really care about that world. That's y' all shit.

[Flip]

But a lot of niggas trying to emulate that world.

[Evan]

Oh, absolutely. There's a lot.

[Flip]

I wouldn't say him.

[Parks]

No, no, no.

[Evan]

There's people that don't have anything to do with that that y' all try to hold these rules to, and it's just. It's unfair to them thousand percent.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Evan]

Nothing about Kid Cudi ever said, I'm trying to be a street. I care about streets. I'm anything street nigga.

[Melissa Ford]

Not even a little bit.

[Evan]

People want to put street n. I.

[Ish]

Don'T even know if it's a single bar that sound like that.

[Joe Budden]

I think the whole Izzy a rat thing is a question that should never be commercialized. Like, that question shouldn't be so mainstream. That's their business.

[Evan]

I think that question should never be from Thug. Given everything that you've been through and how they just.

[G]

You shouldn't even.

[Evan]

You shouldn't be.

[Melissa Ford]

Why participating in the conversation, in the dialogue.

[Flip]

Cause he just. To Flip's point, Thug sees the world as this.

[Evan]

I'm talking about. I am on a ridiculous probation right now. They are already looking for any reason to. With me. I don't want to talk about nothing street. I get what you're saying. That game, that. That culture. I don't want to talk about none of that's otherwise.

[Joe Budden]

It's so tempting.

[Flip]

I hear what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing.

[Evan]

Which is why I think he deleted it so fast. But tease and peace teasing. The trial is ongoing, so we'll. If anything else happens, we'll keep you posted.

[Ish]

You saw Boeing getting off scot free?

[Evan]

Yeah, Keeps happening. See what power.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody explain it.

[Ish]

They're not gonna be able to be held liable for any of the accidents that have happened recently.

[Flip]

Any. Anything.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And they, and they grilling them.

[Evan]

Just gonna pay some money.

[Flip]

They found them, they found evidence that they was cutting corners on certain shit. And the, the, the CEO was in front of a congressional hearing. He got a 40% raise, 35% raise from last year. He's at like 33 million a year, $32 million a year. And they basically saying so you could cut corners on building your planes, but you got a 40% pay increase. I wonder why you did that. Because you lowered the bottom line by taking the shortcuts. But they ain't gonna hold them in no liability at all.

[Parks]

Speaking of getting off Donald Trump's pause.

[Joe Budden]

It's crazy.

[Parks]

Children, all of you be mature like me, please. Donald Trump has been pardoning a lot of people. He pardoned a sheriff in, in Virginia, your home state, for who had given 75.

[Joe Budden]

That is his home state.

[Evan]

This is not my home state.

[Joe Budden]

He be trying to remix it when he tell his upbringing story. I was in D.C. i was in Baltimore. You was in the hickety. Charlottesville, nigga. You was in Sticksville, Virginia, nigga. We know where you was at no time.

[Evan]

DC or Charlottesville.

[Flip]

I've never lived in Virginia in my life.

[Evan]

Life. We know.

[Joe Budden]

We got it, buddy.

[Parks]

What are you talking about anyway? There was a sheriff in Virginia named Scott Jenkins who got convicted of fraud. He was literally selling sheriff's deputy badges and sheriff's deputy status to people. Seven, I think he.

[Joe Budden]

How much word?

[Parks]

He made seven. He made 75, 000 cash. He.

[Evan]

A whole 75.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we had a small town.

[Parks]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

He's in a small town. Give us all them.

[Parks]

What word?

[Flip]

What are you selling them for?

[Evan]

250 and some Snickers.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Evan]

That's what I want to know.

[Parks]

But he got convicted is the point. And they found a whole pattern of corruption in the department. He was convicted. Trump pardoned him. Two days ago, Donald Trump pardoned a tax cheat, somebody who had literally had a tax fraud conviction because he attended or his mother attended a million dollar plate dinner. So Trump is very clearly saying, if you pay, you're good. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because there's a lot of talk that George Floyd's killer, Derek Chauvin, is going to be next on the list.

[Flip]

They're fighting for him to be.

[Evan]

But that ain't gonna affect the state case, though, is it?

[Parks]

It's not. But I'm wondering about just symbolically, what it looks like if they forget. I mean, does the country catch on fire again? Do niggas get mad or are we at a point we don't. We're over and we just accepted that the world is over.

[Evan]

I think they would do that if he were to in some way be released, but because he still got them. 20. Was it 22 years?

[G]

Yeah, state.

[Parks]

He got crazy state time.

[Evan]

Yeah, he got crazy state time. So I think when people realize that, it's like, okay, you did some shit, but you ain't let him out.

[Parks]

Right?

[Evan]

You can't let him out.

[Parks]

The other fear is that if.

[Evan]

And the governor out there ain't this governor. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

If you doing 22, you'll wait three.

[Evan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think about that.

[Parks]

You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times the Fed thing is the thing you're most worried about. Like, I can't get the president to do it. You can get a governor to do just about anything. So I'm just saying this country might be on fire again soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a whole lot of protests for this because of all this Pay to play stuff. It's gonna let a lot of guilty people out.

[Flip]

That nigga said, yo, he giving away. You wanna come in the country? 5 mil.

[G]

They getting ready to do that show that we've been talking about. The show. The immigrants. Yeah, to, you know, you gotta be able to see who can. Who can last in order to get the citizenship, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

A few things while we're on this Law and Order segment. How do you guys feel about the decision to try Carmelo Anthony as an adult?

[Parks]

I hate it.

[Joe Budden]

Carmelo Anthony is the young man that killed that white boy over there in Texas.

[Ish]

He's older.

[Flip]

You he a minor?

[Evan]

Yeah, he's a minor.

[Joe Budden]

He's a minor.

[Ish]

So why would he be in charge as an adult?

[Parks]

You know, a lot of times they say.

[Flip]

A lot of times they do that.

[Parks]

Yeah, they do that so often when there's a brutal murder, they say, this is so heinous that we gonna Try this person as an adult, which I never agree with for all the reasons I'm not even convinced you should try somebody's daughter. 18.

[Ish]

He's 18. Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah. And I'm saying at 18, you have an option. But I'm saying we know how the frontal cortex works. We know the brain isn't developed for another eight years. I mean, to try somebody at even 18 to me is sketchy. So I think that's an, that's another potential powder.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to. That's, that's why I thought of it. I, I could see America turning upside down just with some of this legal coming up. I also wanted to.

[G]

Go ahead, I wanted to have a conversation with Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Joe.

[G]

But I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's just more law.

[G]

Yeah, I want to talk to him about law and his stand. Mark, do you think that you sort of giving the wrong message when you say that?

[Parks]

Yes.

[G]

You're not for. Oh, okay. You're not for. I know we talked about this before, but the more you elaborate on it, the more it gets confusing. So people like me and other people, we look up to you for advice and for you to take.

[Joe Budden]

Or look down to you for advice. Yeah, whatever.

[G]

Or, you know, we expect you to take a higher road and just preach things that can help the society move forward. Yeah, but then when you say that I don't believe in prison, I don't believe in jail, I believe that there's other ways that you handle things. The other way would be to me, if you explain it to me, would be violence. So then you'll still be promoting black on black violence, even if that may not be a thing to you, or violence in the neighborhood that can also keep us stagnant, if you understand what I'm saying.

[Parks]

I feel that, I think that that position presumes that there's only one solution and that's violence. And I'm saying that there are other ways to resolve issues. When I talk about abolition, the first thing I say is it's a long term strategy, It's a long term vision. It's about decarceration, getting people out of prison, but it's also about ex. Carceration, stopping things from having people go into prison. For example, most people who go in prison aren't there for violence. They're not there for child molestation, they're not there for rape, they're not there for stalking. Right. Most people are there for crimes, of, of poverty, for crimes, you know, so for me, the first thing I would do is I'd say, well, why are we locking people up for gambling? Why are we locking people up for prostitution? Do we really want prostitution to be illegal? Do we really. You know what I mean? Do we really want simple possession of these drugs to be illegal? I can name a bunch of things that we probably could all agree shouldn't be illegal in the first place. So I'm trying to stop people from going in. I'm also trying to get people out. You know, locking people up for certain crimes, to me, as opposed to work release, as opposed to suspended sentences, as opposed to community service. There are things we could do to get. Get people out. I'm not saying resolve our problems. I'm not saying, like, somebody steals your tv, punch them in the face, okay? Although that might be my natural inclination, I don't want to make law based on my natural inclination. I would say, if somebody steals my tv, how can they make me whole again?

[G]

But you're not making it clear that there should be consequences. You're basically like putting a band aid over open wounds when you say, okay, just if somebody do something, there should be consequences for your actions.

[Evan]

And where's the deterrent to somebody else who's stealing your tv? Cause that for a couple folk, hey, I ain't gonna go. We ain't. I'm not gonna break in that house. Because if we get caught, I know I might have to go sit up and do xyz.

[Parks]

I think that's the right question. I think both of your questions are the right question. I think. First, the thing that stops people from. I don't just wanna stop people from stealing TVs. I wanna eliminate the desire to steal my TV. What makes people not steal my TV? Jobs, usually.

[G]

Okay.

[Parks]

I see opportunity, access.

[G]

So you wanna go to the core.

[Parks]

We gotta get it to got it. You know what I mean? And to me, those are the types of things. Now, again, some niggas just want to steal TVs. Some people just want to commit assault. Some people just want to do harm, even when they're not poor or desperate. So I'm not pretending that the world can all be fixed through social programs. But most of it can be.

[Ish]

Usually when you get a lot of.

[Parks]

It, a lot of it. You know what I mean? When you get rid of it, most. Yeah, I don't even say a lot. I'll take that.

[G]

Well, he just said a story the other day where somebody went through all the resources, went through all the social program and came out my side and did A crime.

[Joe Budden]

We just.

[Ish]

All this stemmed from a very rich man doing some crazy, heinous and slash petty shit.

[Parks]

Right? So one could argue that we should reign in their wealth.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm with you on that.

[Parks]

Yeah. Which. This is. All my stuff is connecting here. I'm saying.

[G]

Okay, I'm seeing what you said.

[Parks]

All these. Even if people don't agree, they connect, right? So I'm not saying people should be reckless out here. I'm halfway joking with the thug shit. But in general, I. Even if I would do it, or you or you might do it or whoever might do it, but at the end of the day, I'm saying we gotta change. We gotta change how things operate so that our only options are be mad or lock somebody up. Those can't be the only. Or fuck somebody up. Those can't be the only choices. We gotta come up with better choices. And that's a whole different vision of the world. And we gotta do step by step, but in the meantime, all we got is all we got. So that's why I say I don't get mad when people call the police when somebody stole their TV or their car. Cause who else you gonna call?

[Melissa Ford]

Call.

[Parks]

But I hate the fact that if somebody steals my TV or my car, the only person I can call is somebody with a gun. As opposed to somebody who could actually solve this problem for me. We gotta change the way the world's laid out. That's all.

[Joe Budden]

That's all for me, man. You guys are like a pallet cleanser with these talks.

[Parks]

I was. I wasn't expecting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y' all, come on, man, give it up.

[Parks]

I just hate this nigga. I just hate. And the more I work here, the more I hate this nigga. I didn't expect that, but I like him more.

[Joe Budden]

My last Law and Order question for you guys. The escaped 11. How do we feel about the grandparents and some of the people that are being charged with aiding and abetting a criminal for helping their kids?

[Evan]

I don't like it, but I get it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it is.

[Evan]

You know, the law is the law, so I do understand it.

[Joe Budden]

If you escape, if you escaped, would you put your grandmother in that position?

[Parks]

You already know.

[Joe Budden]

You're goddamn right.

[Parks]

Yeah. Absolutely.

[Evan]

And Grandma gonna come through, too.

[Joe Budden]

Granny gotta go hold her down.

[G]

No, but I wouldn't want Granny to go.

[Parks]

To go to jail.

[Evan]

I wouldn't want her to go to jail.

[G]

That's.

[Parks]

That's.

[Evan]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

Well, then you contradicted what I just asked.

[G]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Are y' all calling Grandma for help when you get out.

[Parks]

You all.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, right.

[Parks]

They say, I'm calling Grandma even if she go to jail.

[Evan]

No, what we're saying is even that person didn't think that Grandma was gonna go to jail over it. I'm not sure if he knew Grandma would go to jail for a fact that he would put her in that place.

[Parks]

If you knew, would you still call him?

[Joe Budden]

The guy that escaped don't know that. The people that help him is probably gonna.

[G]

A lot of people don't know. A lot of people know that.

[Parks]

A lot of people don't know that.

[G]

No. A lot of people don't know that.

[Parks]

They don't. A lot of people don't know that.

[Evan]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Flip]

Prison, jail rules, harboring a fugitive, eating and abetting.

[Parks]

Yes. That's the basic one.

[Flip]

Like, those aren't. Yeah, that's not the white collar crimes. I think that niggas be selfish and they in survival mode.

[Melissa Ford]

Was there any plausible deniability here that he was like, hey, I got out. And she was like, oh, baby, you're home. And she didn't know that he escaped.

[Flip]

And the old people watch Channel 12.

[G]

News religiously and they see plausible deniability.

[Melissa Ford]

My TV was stolen.

[Joe Budden]

Hands behind your back, man.

[Evan]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Plausible.

[Joe Budden]

Deny while you put your hands behind your back.

[Flip]

No, we gonna deny. But you know who's gonna deny? Nana, your bell.

[Evan]

You know what else, too? Because my grandmother said this quite a few times. Like, some of them old folks think they ain't gonna get into trouble.

[Flip]

Yeah, they are.

[Evan]

They think like, yo, I'm old. They ain't going. You know, if they come to me or whatever, if I have a problem because of this, it's going to be something light. They don't think they're going to jail over that. My grandmother said quite a few things, and we like, ma, they gonna lock your ass up. Well, I'm 83. They ain't gonna. They will.

[Flip]

Take your 80 about me. Yeah.

[Evan]

Put the gun back, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. All right, that's it for my Law and Order segment. I don't have any other questions about stories that may depress each and every one of us. I'm done.

[Evan]

Okay, they down to two.

[Joe Budden]

And listen, as far as predictions, I'm about four for four, five for five with some of this shit that's been going on this year, but I can't say it yet. I predicted that Stud Face would be the last one.

[Evan]

A lot of people say.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people Like Stud Face.

[Evan]

That he was the one of the ones that, like, orchestrated the whole shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't know. I didn't read that. I read that face.

[Evan]

Yeah, he had a plan.

[Joe Budden]

And I read something that contradicted whatever I reported last week. Week. About his murders being revenge murder for the cop that killed his grandmother. I don't know what's true and what's not true. Okay? I just know that the dude that looked like a stud in the face.

[Evan]

That was everybody that was a favorite.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people had him picked as the favorite to last. Some of these didn't. Some of these didn't make it out of New Orleans.

[Evan]

They had no point.

[G]

Listen, a video just dropped with one of the.

[Joe Budden]

You could tell who A had no grandma to help.

[G]

A video just drop of 1 to.

[Flip]

2, who wasn't getting no money on the street.

[G]

A just did a video that. He just dropped the video. I don't know if antagonizing him, but just like, dropped the social media video. One of the niggas that's currently out right now. Oh, in the pool. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

When he jumped in the pool. So I ain't. I been swimming in 19 years. Yeah. Fresh braids.

[G]

Yeah. He just.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry. He next. That's how we know Stud Face gonna win. Cause the other nigga doing shit like that. Stud Face. You ain't heard a word?

[Evan]

Not a p. Hey, let me stop.

[Joe Budden]

Calling him that in case he in Jersey.

[Flip]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Might have caught a grayhound. Might have caught a Graham. That's what you said. I just don't know his name. But y' all know who I'm talking about.

[Evan]

Stud Face.

[Joe Budden]

All right, what else? What else? What else is there? Important, unimportant. Unless he in front of me. What else needs our undivided attention? Like that helps anything. Ever.

[Parks]

Did any of y' all watch the AMAs?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

Do we not care about the AM is that just an award show? We don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

About facts. I don't. I don't.

[Ish]

They don't even. They don't even announce when it's coming or anything like that.

[Flip]

At least on my since Michael Jackson algorithm.

[Parks]

Crazy. All right, fine.

[Evan]

Did any. Anybody here catch any of them Beyonce shows?

[Ish]

I'm going tomorrow.

[Evan]

Oh, okay. My girl Tear.

[Flip]

My girl.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Evan]

Five or six shows.

[Ish]

How long was the show? Do you remember?

[Flip]

No.

[Parks]

Okay, you trying to brace yourself.

[Ish]

Yes, I'm trying to figure out how much I gotta.

[Joe Budden]

I heard it was lengthy pause. Yeah, I heard that.

[Flip]

They went. She didn't get back home madly. I don't know.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Flip]

But she said it was dope.

[Ish]

Yeah, sure.

[G]

Hold on. Okay. Well, your confidence is up there. My. Did you. You got the. You got her location on your. On your Samsung. You just know that she went there directly. I just want to make sure. I know. Confident. You just too confident for that. I'll be worried.

[Joe Budden]

You was worried about what?

[G]

Who did she go with?

[Joe Budden]

Dolo? No.

[Flip]

One of my homegirls.

[G]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

Surveillance.

[G]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Smart man. I thought you fell on hitch.

[G]

I thought you fell off for a minute.

[Joe Budden]

Smart man.

[G]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You did the right thing. Like SM did it. You did the right thing.

[G]

You a smart. I thought you fell off but you back with the jump off.

[Joe Budden]

He was getting updates all night. Yeah.

[G]

What she doing right now?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she just went to the concession stand. I woke with there was a ransom but now she was respecting.

[Evan]

She held it down.

[Joe Budden]

She held you down. I mean she said she had a man. Her boyfriend.

[Flip]

I wish I would.

[G]

We all. We all not all like that. But you have. You have to worry about if your girl is outside. You get it don't necessarily about men.

[Flip]

Your girl.

[G]

No, no, no no no no. But if you put in your home girl with your girl.

[Flip]

I didn't do that. That was their own thing just happened to happen.

[Evan]

You know what?

[Parks]

She free to not hit it off.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, thank God of doing me.

[G]

You smart. I forgot you could take the hustle. You could take the out the hustle, but you can't take the hustle out the. So stupid that scram fam.

[Parks]

Last thing on my mind, bro.

[Evan]

You stupid crazy.

[Joe Budden]

He couldn't knock if he bucked him. The home girl wasn't there. What he was going to do.

[G]

Nothing crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. She came in when the. She came in.

[G]

That do 90,000%.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. You going to be over there on your side of the bed. She gonna assume baby sleep. Smack him on it, Bow.

[G]

He's gonna put the baby to sleep and sit right on the porch like the white power he got in him. He gonna do his legs like this.

[Joe Budden]

It's in there snoring up and stuff. She put the blanket over. Look at my baby. Cold. Look at my baby. I forgot to put the blanket over. Man, look at her. But you gotta understand she coming at 4:30.

[G]

Our brother's crazy. Our brother, you know, he always got a plan. So he's like yo, you came in 4:30. So now I could be out to 6:30.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, my baby left the TV on again. Look at my baby was watching Martin rerun Forehead Kiss. Oh, yeah. He's so cute, man. Let me get in bed. Let me shower first, though. Let me get in the shower first. Telltale.

[Flip]

That's the telltale.

[G]

Yo, you was in the shower.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[G]

Yo, you wake Dove.

[Flip]

Yo, you mad sleepy, but you got.

[Evan]

In the shower first.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga's girl can't walk in after a long night out and take a shower.

[Parks]

No, that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You can't do that. No, that. You can't do that.

[G]

Do what?

[Joe Budden]

Sorry, buddy.

[Melissa Ford]

No, sorry.

[Parks]

What's the time, Joe? Like, what's the time for you? Like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I get shocked when she out.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I get shocked when she leave the house. Oh, you found something to do, Adrian.

[Parks]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Wait till you get the jerk.

[G]

You get that? You get that?

[Flip]

Forgot my password.

[Joe Budden]

Got some new friends.

[Flip]

I forgot my password.

[Joe Budden]

Y. So stupid. But she was showing me that on her car buy. Well, let me not speak for I buy cars and just be happy that the car drive. She buy cars and take advantage of all the functionality. So she pull up some that say Journey.

[G]

And you can.

[Joe Budden]

Journey tell I'm freezing. Yo, he the one.

[Flip]

He the one.

[Joe Budden]

He's the one. Freeze. Never be that good. But anyway, she pulled some shit up.

[G]

Called Journey to show you where she.

[Joe Budden]

Was so you could see everywhere that the car went.

[Parks]

What?

[G]

And you feel good?

[Joe Budden]

No. Cause I'm never gonna do that. I don't. I'm not gonna use none of the capabilities that come with.

[G]

She showed you smart.

[Joe Budden]

Toilet got a speaker. I don't know. I'm just listening to birds.

[Flip]

I ain't gonna hold you. It took me two years to figure out how to open the back moon roof. My got two roofs. The second one, I.

[G]

What I'm saying is she come to.

[Joe Budden]

You Ben's give you a little app. I don't know how to do none of that. I love the little business. None of that. You know how to use the Journey app?

[Evan]

I don't have it for my vehicles.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what I asked you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

So you do know how to use that Journey app? Your Freeze don't say nothing.

[Evan]

Well, don't. Don't.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze is not the one.

[Evan]

Don't insinuate nothing.

[G]

Only the two.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we fully take it over there.

[G]

Hey, yo, girl, when you was. You was.

[Evan]

You know, like, you get.

[Flip]

Your nails done down there, huh?

[Melissa Ford]

Who that?

[Joe Budden]

Who that? Who they. Who that?

[Parks]

Who you Patterson.

[G]

Huh?

[Parks]

Who the.

[Flip]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What you do? Patterson, girl. So anyway, hopefully I answered your question mark. When my girl move up here, I'm going a freezer.

[Evan]

What is the free shit?

[G]

Time freeze.

[Joe Budden]

What's the free freeze?

[Ish]

It's the free shit.

[Evan]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'm. I'm down.

[Evan]

No, I'm not down.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, I'mma be on what we assume to be free shit. Yeah, there you go.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma be on that.

[Evan]

There you go.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm gonna assume it.

[Joe Budden]

I got a real funny. I got a funny story I'm saving for Power Wives. It's so funny.

[Evan]

I got two.

[G]

How crazy is that?

[Joe Budden]

It's funny.

[Evan]

No, no, we got two.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't get to have the beef about it to my girl's face. We was too busy beefing about all the beefs she had racked up with me, so.

[G]

Oh, we was talking about the other day.

[Joe Budden]

Then by the time we finished with all of her beefs, I was too exhausted to get to your. To say what the fuck I had a problem with. So now my shit just in the talk chilling somewhere, and now we. Great.

[Parks]

So you can't break it up?

[Evan]

No, exact opposite.

[Unknown]

It.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, tell me.

[Evan]

Because you know what? We talked about that. That whole situation up there. She was like, oh, see, I ain't. I had some. I could have got off, but I forgot because I was busy defending this.

[Melissa Ford]

But next time, you got to have a.

[Evan]

But next time, though. I'm like, no, we ain't got to do all that.

[Parks]

We good.

[Evan]

We good now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I got one. He.

[G]

If you get free. Because I'm about to ask Joe this, if you getting checked off on something, right? And you have to explain, explain. Do you end up. Do you. Are you the one that tune out? Do you tune out and just let her talk and. Or do you address every single thing she's saying? Let's see if the argument going for an hour.

[Melissa Ford]

You mean, does he actively listen while she's talking?

[G]

I'm just asking.

[Parks]

That was a good reframing right there.

[G]

You got no relationship. Don't make no face at me like that girl who actively listen to you.

[Melissa Ford]

She tunes me out. Yes.

[G]

I asked that because even I don't tune out, though. Even when I watch Joe. Right. Joe, he addresses a lot of things. So I want to know if he does that, does he get. Does he tie himself out or does he has. Like. I'm gonna address this. I'm gonna address that. If she's accused you or something like, say, shaday come to you with five things. Are you addressing all five or at one point, do you like, man, I'm done with this conversation.

[Joe Budden]

I'm addressing anything that my girl got a problem want to discuss. See, but I don't call that addressing. I got a whole list that I keep in that don't never get addressed. Okay, but so I respond. I respond to you. Got you whatever the be.

[G]

So that'll get tired out. Ladies can argue for hours.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, you'll know when I'm tired because I'll start agreeing. Oh, you'll know exactly when checked out. You know what? I understand totally. Right.

[Evan]

You know what come with that, though? Now you're just agreeing to shut me up.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she gonna know.

[Evan]

But you can't say it, though.

[Joe Budden]

She gonna know where I stand on the matter. When I do it again in a few weeks, she gonna know that I didn't fully. I didn't really agree with her. Her troubleshooting method.

[G]

Hey, yo, Free, listen. The other day when Sade was here. Right.

[Evan]

Wrong with him.

[G]

The other day we was talking, and Joe was just talking. He would look that direct. Joe would look that direction like this. I get y' all. If I could just be in that M for a minute now. He would just look the direction like. Yo, he would. Every time he would say what he.

[Joe Budden]

Saw myself going overboard, and I'm going overboard. I thought that was fine sitting there. So that's my check and balance.

[G]

Yeah, I. I love that.

[Joe Budden]

Let me look over. Yeah, no, you're right.

[G]

I do the same thing I said a lot. I do the same thing with my wife.

[Joe Budden]

She understands that nonverbal communication in the name of content. She let me get my shit. She let me get my shit.

[G]

Same thing with Linky.

[Parks]

I do.

[G]

I give her that look now, if I want to go overboard, I just stare at her like. And still say it like. Yeah. Ah, but it's better to just chill.

[Joe Budden]

That's why it's funny. Now, listen, I wrote down here, fucking stepdad love is different from real dad love. Oh, man, I wrote.

[Evan]

It just happened.

[Flip]

You know, you got strip. You got streaming university over there, too.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't gonna touch you on nothing from the topic because it's just funny and ignorant. But, like, I really enjoy. We did the. Like I said, we did the football camp.

[G]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he was having a blast up here. Like, just on some New York. Let's run around. I want to see the pod. I want to. He. Yeah, he was dope, having a blast, and I'm having a blast. But it's Stepdad blast. Which means at some point, you got.

[Flip]

To get the fuck.

[G]

Yo, Joe, don't do it.

[Ish]

Pass the baton.

[Joe Budden]

Like, what? You ain't gotta go home. Listen, Joe, don't.

[G]

Joe, don't do it.

[Parks]

Say it.

[Joe Budden]

I love you. I'm also the dude that folds mom up. Like, look, you. Never mind.

[Parks]

That's the conversation you can't actually have.

[Evan]

You can't.

[G]

You stupid.

[Evan]

No, you did not know.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, real dad might not think about nothing like that, right? Stepdad, though, at the end of the.

[Evan]

Got something to do.

[Joe Budden]

Now, I'm so. That is so immature.

[Parks]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

But whatever. I don't care. I also had another question I wanted to ask y' all.

[Evan]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Because I've been this nuts. I got a real, real. Well, I'm nuts. And I'm right. I got a real, real, real good homegirl. I got a real good homegirl. One of my good, good, good, good, good, platonic home girls. And I recently, I seen. I'm seeing. Recently, she made a relationship.

[Ish]

Instagram, like a couple.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Okay. Now, before she made it, you know, you could see your good, good girlfriend kind of going off the deep end. And I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing. They super in love. Well, from what I'm seeing, yeah, of course. That's the visual output. So I hit her. I said, not the relationship. Ig. Hey, girl, can't lie. You know, I'm a phony bitch. And then she said, and TikTok. And I tap my girl. They got a TikTok, too. So my question to y' all is, what do you do when you see your good, good, good friend start a relationship Instagram and TikTok page at the same time.

[Evan]

Exactly what you just did. I laugh about it with my girl.

[Parks]

And wait for it to.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Flip]

That set the timer, you know, Wait.

[Parks]

For her to start posting inspirational quotes in about three months.

[Flip]

Coach Keno.

[G]

You got Keno over there taking care of your food. That's why you just said, melissa Ford Keno.

[Flip]

No, I just said. No, I just said.

[Joe Budden]

And. Mel, no. What are you doing?

[Parks]

They've been doing that shit for the last hour. We was talking, and she got up. He was giving tips and shit.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he was not.

[Parks]

I was watching.

[Melissa Ford]

Mel, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Look, Mel, you are a piece of shit.

[G]

Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

No, for real. Cause when you go style.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he. Listen. We have a whole plan going on over there, right?

[G]

How is it a week, then? You cook.

[Flip]

Just now, the plan is you cook.

[Melissa Ford]

It's been cooking he's watching. It's on broil right now. Just to crisp the top.

[Joe Budden]

I can smell when. You gonna have to open the door, too.

[Melissa Ford]

No, and that don't lie. It smells good in here.

[Flip]

Here.

[Joe Budden]

You're gonna have to open that door is what I'm saying.

[Melissa Ford]

Why?

[Ish]

Because it's smoky up in here.

[Melissa Ford]

It's not gonna be smoky.

[Ish]

Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

We've cooked things here before. Yeah, before. Oh, sh.

[Parks]

In here.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I have not cooked in here.

[Joe Budden]

It's fine. We'll get to it.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

It's done.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Parks]

See, these are all.

[G]

Can we see how that.

[Joe Budden]

Look, can we taste it on there?

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[G]

Cut a little piece so we can.

[Melissa Ford]

Taste it on there. Let it just sit for a second.

[Joe Budden]

No, we ain't gotta let it sit.

[Melissa Ford]

Let it sit for a second. It's hot as.

[Joe Budden]

Are there any While Keno prepares Mel's Mac and cheese for us to try on air.

[Evan]

That's crazy, man. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Parks]

Yo, for the last hour, I was.

[Evan]

Wondering what y' all was talking about.

[Flip]

I just said the niggas giving streamer university. Yes.

[Parks]

I just got a little seasoning.

[Melissa Ford]

I. Listen, wait.

[Ish]

He seasoned it.

[Parks]

I saw him pulling something out of his.

[Melissa Ford]

Lies and treachery will get you nowhere. Okay.

[Evan]

No, she caught Kino and asked him to come over here.

[Parks]

About to say.

[G]

Yeah, her talk let a woman talk.

[Melissa Ford]

Keno has cooked in here before. Can we all acknowledge that?

[G]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Evan]

Yes, he cooks.

[Melissa Ford]

He. He's cooked in here.

[G]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

This is my first time. You. You know that.

[Parks]

Keno, if you ever cooked in here.

[G]

He's never cooked in here.

[Joe Budden]

You and your girl, they brought food over here.

[Melissa Ford]

There was, and there was heating up, and I. I've never.

[G]

Jo's dad is the only one that could get pop.

[Melissa Ford]

I have never used this oven before.

[Flip]

Oh, so you on the oven?

[Melissa Ford]

I have never used this.

[Parks]

I will get a chef to come in. Oh, we got a girl how to.

[Evan]

Turn the oven on.

[Joe Budden]

Let us know. All right. But not another peep out of you till we taste this.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, fine. Y' all wanted to pause?

[Ish]

Pause for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, yeah, let's. Let's. Let's see what's going on.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, Carry on.

[Joe Budden]

Y get lit early.

[G]

Y too. Them is lit. Are y' all good?

[Melissa Ford]

I'm fine.

[G]

Look, she's gonna be following the lead ass. Once m got away with it. You said, let me go get myself a drink, girl. I hope professional.

[Melissa Ford]

I have a whole nickname up here devoted to that. Before he got here. Thank you very much.

[G]

Say no more.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Is there anything else that needs our undivided attention? No, Absol has put something out.

[Ish]

It's more of the battle.

[Parks]

It's good, it's dense.

[Ish]

I'm a listen to it, but I'm not rushing to the battle anymore.

[Evan]

Do I have to, like, you need.

[Parks]

All your brain cells. Okay. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I like.

[Evan]

But some of his music you have to really complicate.

[Parks]

It's great. You just. You got to sit with it.

[Ish]

I'm just over the battle. At least on this level of attention.

[Parks]

Word.

[Ish]

I'll catch up to it at some point.

[Evan]

If Absol responds like he did, I.

[Joe Budden]

Want to hear it also. Go ahead.

[Ish]

Locks did one of the Red Bull things like how the started.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh.

[Evan]

Okay.

[Ish]

Curious to see that.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh, that's gonna be nice.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

For the doc lovers out there, the Peewee Herman doc on Max is great.

[Parks]

Out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Woo. It's great. Two parts, both pretty lengthy pause. But it's really, really, really good. And I'm learning a lot about people. Herman, I didn't know, like, I didn't know that that was an adult show before it was a children's show. I had no idea. I was a kid.

[Ish]

I thought you talk about where you got caught.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't get to that part where I'm at. No, it was. It was.

[Melissa Ford]

No, he was. He was caught in a theater. In an adult theater.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about his origin being. That's what I mean. But that was funny.

[Ish]

No, it wasn't even really trying to be funny. It's factual. Because a lot of people, I think we've even maybe made jokes up here that imply that he was nasty on some child porn. Child porn or something like that. He was jerking off at a jerk off theater.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, that was so sad.

[Ish]

And he was closeted. I think, like, it was. It was.

[Joe Budden]

I know. Something wrong with me, I'd be on the jerk offer side.

[Melissa Ford]

We're all on the jerk offer side here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

With the peewee Louis ck.

[Joe Budden]

What's homeboy? The little short comedian dude.

[Evan]

Aziz Anzari.

[Joe Budden]

Aziz.

[Ish]

I think he was. His story was kind of like the one we spoke about earlier, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

I don't think it was a jerk off. I think it was a blowjob story.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was a blowjob at the crib after a date. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, Got it. Your man Jared Carmichael is back with a new special on hbo.

[Ish]

Which one?

[Melissa Ford]

Not reality show special.

[Joe Budden]

Stand up.

[Ish]

I Like stand up.

[Parks]

Stand up. Yeah.

[Ish]

I do like the show.

[Joe Budden]

Horrible. But I do miss when he wasn't.

[Parks]

Too much for me.

[Joe Budden]

I missed when he was in the show.

[Ish]

Definitely. It was a lot of moments where it was too much, but there were some parts that were very dope.

[Parks]

And that's why when I watched that show, I was like, I'm not as progressive as I think I am. That was one of the moments where I was like, I just. The content didn't do it for me.

[G]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I didn't go back to it.

[Melissa Ford]

I loved it.

[Parks]

I saw that. I saw the genius in it. I just. By like episode, I think I made it to like three episodes. And I was like, this ain't for me. But a stand up I thought was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I missed when he was in the closet. Like I said, that's so wild.

[Evan]

Yo, y' all just let that say that.

[Flip]

Way over.

[Joe Budden]

They stepped over my parts just talking with gibberish. But yeah, yeah, he should go back. Did you watch anybody that should go back in the closet?

[Ish]

Did you watch it lock the door?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But when I went to watch the Pee Wee Herman, his trailer started and they showed a preview beforehand and I couldn't find a remote, so I couldn't skip it fast enough. But I'm saying that to say it seems like since he has come out, every single piece of content is about him coming out. And as somebody that didn't know that about him before, I just thought he did a masterful job of being a comic, being a comedian. Yeah. Now every single thing is centered around I'm gay, my sexuality. This is when my dad found out I was gay. This is how it is to be gay and anti gay and it's just too much gay since he's been gay.

[G]

Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

I know it sounds fucked up.

[Evan]

It could be some intent to it. Like I'm playing to a certain market maybe.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure. I'm sure it's all intentional. He ain't doing none of it by mistake. Right. I'm just not rushing to. You know what I mean?

[Evan]

I'mma check this new one because he still. His. His standup specials have been. Been pretty good.

[Parks]

Well.

[Joe Budden]

You a P. Valley fan?

[Evan]

I am a P. Valley fan. Even though I'm done with that show too, though.

[Joe Budden]

And you make cereal pouring and milk first. Wow.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[G]

You pour the milk first, then the cereal after.

[Ish]

Measure out a cup perfectly.

[Evan]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I saw him do it. Just lying.

[Evan]

Just say do that. I didn't even know you could bring.

[Ish]

The Laundry out here.

[Joe Budden]

Why is it such a big insult that you pour your milk first when you make cereal?

[Evan]

That ain't how you make cereal.

[Joe Budden]

But if you did that before, nothing wrong with it.

[Evan]

I ain't do that.

[Ish]

We going to put her up front. She street. We going to put it right out here.

[Parks]

Let's go, Cory.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I made it on. I prepared it on. Live it. We're doing it.

[Joe Budden]

Cory's still doing it like he with his bunky.

[G]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Jail tell this ain't God.

[G]

Look how rough he is with the joint. Look, he don't give a.

[Ish]

He has a bath mat. Put the Mac and cheese on the bath, Matt. I don't look bad.

[Evan]

I got a little crisp to it.

[Melissa Ford]

I got a little crisp because I did the broil.

[Joe Budden]

My girl just text me, how was the Mac? Let me get a little video to send to her.

[Evan]

Finally getting this Mac and cheese after three years.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, off a quick break, we all have now tried Mel's Mac and Cheese.

[Evan]

Hey, Mel, why were you trying to coerce him when he kept saying no?

[Melissa Ford]

I wasn't trying to exert control. I. I just wanted to have a. You know, I just wanted to get a full panel of, you know, I'm just playing of opinion.

[Parks]

Well, we all ate, so we go. I. I even tasted a small piece. One, two, three.

[Melissa Ford]

That was the third time you've eaten Mac and cheese in your whole life.

[Evan]

Yeah, I don't understand that.

[Parks]

I just don't like Mac and cheese. And this didn't change my. I'll say this. This didn't convert me, but it didn't make me feel any worse. I thought that it tastes. It tasted. I could definitely taste the noodles.

[Ish]

That's one.

[Parks]

And I detected the cheese, so it was definitely Mac and cheese.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Parks]

And again, I haven't had a lot of Mac and cheese.

[Melissa Ford]

You needed to get, like, in there.

[Parks]

I was up in there.

[Evan]

Whoa, whoa.

[Joe Budden]

I remember.

[Parks]

Y' all grow up. No, no, I'm talking about Mac and cheese and only Mac and cheese.

[Ish]

That's a euphemism.

[Parks]

Oh, is that a Mac? Oh, you know what?

[Joe Budden]

It is?

[Parks]

I didn't even think about that. Yeah, well, no, I tasted the dish and I thought I needed a little bit. I expected again, my memory of Mac and cheese might be off. I just remembered it having more seasoning.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Parks]

More. What's the word? Flavor.

[Melissa Ford]

So today is wp. So today on a Hot and Bothered, I. I just plug everything. Today I'm doing it. I'm doing an episode on Men's heart health. So I intentionally let the cheese be the saltiness. I put salt in there and pepper and paprika and. Yeah.

[Ish]

But, yeah, I thought it was pretty good.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Evan]

Yeah, it was good. I'm a Mac and cheese person.

[Ish]

I had low expectations going in.

[Melissa Ford]

I know you did meet them.

[Ish]

I had exceeded them.

[G]

It exceeded.

[Joe Budden]

I was ready to exceeded my expectations.

[Evan]

I was ready to kill it.

[G]

Big man.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[G]

It was good.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you, guys. I am winning today.

[Parks]

Yeah, it wasn't bad.

[Melissa Ford]

And you know the last time I made Mac and cheese? 2016, yesterday we saw it.

[Ish]

It's on love.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that. That's the second time I made it. No, not my life.

[G]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

The last time I made it was Thanksgiving, 2016.

[G]

More season next time.

[Joe Budden]

We need a lot more cheese piece.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like, a lot more.

[Melissa Ford]

If you saw my live, I was like, yeah, Practically dislocated myself.

[Joe Budden]

Don't step on me. Joking about your shoulder being broke. That's the joke I'm about to make. That's why you need a To get that good grading going over there.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, Keto says that I need an electric one, so, you know, I saw.

[Joe Budden]

You just struggling with grading the cheese. Next time, a lot more cheese and some seasonings, but overall, you exceed my expectations.

[Evan]

Shout out to you mine as well.

[Joe Budden]

This tastes like when the cousin on your the other side of the family. You don't really with die and you got to go to that funeral.

[Ish]

Nah, nah.

[Parks]

This.

[Ish]

This feels like when, like, your niece or something shows up with a plate for the first time and she health conscious.

[Flip]

Yeah, that was pretty good.

[Joe Budden]

When you're vegan niece. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Evan]

It's not like the cousin that give you the speech before you eat it. Like, listen, y' all.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Evan]

Not put a lot of salt in this because I want us all to be healthy, but heart health. Yeah, but it was good.

[Joe Budden]

It's good.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

It was like, whoever made this, you can tell they never worked at Waffle House.

[Melissa Ford]

You're absolutely right. I have never held a job at Waffle House.

[Joe Budden]

Cigarette in their mouth. Flipping pancakes back there with three teeth. Yeah, yeah. Got 99 waffles cooking in a row. Smoking pan be halfway dirty.

[Evan]

That cigarette ain't falling at all.

[Flip]

And dirt on a pan make it.

[Evan]

Taste better for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Whoever made this, this is like when you could tell that they fired the chef at Costco's.

[Melissa Ford]

You done?

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you all for trying it. I appreciate.

[Ish]

I appreciate you for bringing it.

[G]

It was good.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. Thank You.

[Ish]

It was a proud salad.

[Evan]

And I will leave you alone.

[Flip]

Sounds like an eight.

[Evan]

Our cake money.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Joe Budden]

An eight or what?

[Melissa Ford]

Let's keep it sleepers. Yay. Sleepers. Time. Woohoo. Don't insist.

[Joe Budden]

You don't have to treat her like we she first got out.

[Melissa Ford]

Stop the hate cancer.

[Joe Budden]

Eight, though.

[Parks]

Eight is. Eight is a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, he got them other taste buds you had. Like, he probably tastes flavors in that.

[Parks]

Elbow.

[G]

The mouth tast.

[Joe Budden]

He tasted differently than we did.

[G]

I love you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm tasting different things.

[G]

I tasted. So what is it? What is it?

[Parks]

The purple.

[Melissa Ford]

You didn't even taste.

[G]

No, I'm talking about my man, how he thinks.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

How much butter did you use?

[Melissa Ford]

A lot. Yeah, you saw it?

[Joe Budden]

I taste it.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's butter.

[Melissa Ford]

I was making. I made. It was buttery.

[Joe Budden]

It was a lot of.

[Parks]

It was very buttery.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was butter lottery, just not.

[Parks]

As cheesy or seasony.

[Joe Budden]

Now, if it was called Mac and butter, you might.

[Ish]

Butter's like cheese.

[Joe Budden]

Then you ate.

[Ish]

That's similar.

[Joe Budden]

Distant cuss and sour cream.

[Ish]

They're all similar. They're all similar.

[Joe Budden]

And more sour cream next time. Or any binder.

[Parks]

So who's up next is lamb chops, right? Is that. Wasn't that the next bet?

[Melissa Ford]

Lamb chops. Yes.

[Parks]

What happened? Yeah, Y' all seen.

[Evan]

I just don't think it'll happen.

[Parks]

Well, we didn't think Mac and cheese. I made Mac and cheese happen.

[Evan]

Well, Parks and Keno have both been talking about the lamb chops.

[Parks]

They keep their word, though. Parks, you got it.

[Evan]

He said he'd give him a grill.

[Ish]

I just want a grill.

[Evan]

That's all Parks has been saying.

[G]

Done.

[Parks]

Can we make a date for that? Let's set a date two weeks from now. Does that work?

[Ish]

Sure.

[Parks]

Two weeks from now.

[Joe Budden]

Done. We've done this 99 times, dude. We got sleepers. I want to do this for people that are eventually going to do it, which I don't know that Parks Aquino will at this point, but they both make a great lamb shop. I'm surprised that Mel did it, but.

[Evan]

Well, she set it off. You and Imani got to do that spaghetti off now.

[Joe Budden]

Now that y' all been talking about. I'm down for that.

[Flip]

Yeah, y' all been talking.

[Parks]

Let's do that. I could eat that.

[Joe Budden]

That I'm definitely down for.

[G]

You eat spaghetti. I do.

[Evan]

There we go.

[Parks]

That's it.

[Melissa Ford]

All right, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Melissa Ford]

You're skipping sleepers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't.

[Parks]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I Don't feel like I've earned a sleeper right today. I'm here for moral support.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, y' all go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

Next in line out there.

[Evan]

All right, I'm gonna play. Damn.

[G]

She just.

[Evan]

All right, next.

[Joe Budden]

Where was she?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I just moving right along.

[G]

You heard off camera. Check me earlier. Don't let him. Don't let him. He doing good. All right, watch your mouth.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not doing anything. I'm just. I'm moving the progression of the show.

[G]

Absolutely.

[Melissa Ford]

There we go. All right.

[G]

Good job with the nasty cheese.

[Joe Budden]

Mac and cheese.

[Melissa Ford]

Thank you.

[Evan]

This is. This is Snoop and Sexy Red. Me and OG Snoop off of.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. He's never beaten the.

[Evan]

I don't care about them allegations. I like the song.

[Flip]

You'll throw some money in this. You'll throw some money.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

Catch him slipping, wet him up. Sexy Red, let's get this bread.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, girl, go it up.

[Melissa Ford]

What's the word?

[Unknown]

Let me know what you wanna do.

[Melissa Ford]

Tied in with the screech the crib.

[Unknown]

Call me boo boo bang bang slow play AK all cash, no talk stick blast I don't know what the y' all thought. Cause I don't know how the y' all talk.

[Joe Budden]

You got me up, go get up.

[Unknown]

I'm a hundred deep with my homeboys and yeah, cuz we bucked up it's.

[Melissa Ford]

Just me and OG Snoop he look.

[Unknown]

Like I'm in that boot I'm a blood heel crib.

Catch him slipping, wet him up Sexy Red, let's take a bread. Come on, girl, go it up I.

[Melissa Ford]

Be turning on, yeah, I get these wet when I take a picture of my bag rolling Ch my wanna kick.

[Joe Budden]

It with no motion they think that.

[G]

My name ring hell.

[Melissa Ford]

Dirty wanna fight me Cause they hurt on touch they neck he know I'm toxic but he can't leave me alone he love my sex.

[G]

I was gonna pull up with my.

[Unknown]

Driver but I pulled up in the vet.

[Melissa Ford]

If the police get behind me do the dashing and they stretch. It's just me and OG Snoopy and I like I'm in that boot. I'm a blood here crib down, Hit.

[Unknown]

Him up, catch him slipping what he mud Sexy Red, let's get his bread. Come on, girl, go it up.

[Parks]

Shout out to the men of Boss Boss Ladies Players Club where the money.

[Unknown]

Keep dropping and keep popping.

[Joe Budden]

That's right, y' all.

[Melissa Ford]

It's just me and OG Snoopy and.

[Unknown]

Like I'm in that boot I'm a.

Blood he crib flatten down hit him up, catch him slipping Wedding up Sexy Red let's get his brain Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Girl, come it up.

[Evan]

And again, that is me and OG Snoop Snoop Sexy Red I'm never beating the allegations nor am I trying to beat the allegations. Snoop Snoop album. Is that a crime in your phone and on DSPs right now?

[Melissa Ford]

I kind of like that.

[Evan]

That came on that came on a.

[Ish]

Couple hours yeah, I'm playing new old music this is some village climax you.

[Unknown]

Ain'T gotta play hard to get I know you I know you like the art sex I'm putting down my plan like the architect it's for you we can all get wet I got a lot of nerve talking this to you right I'm straight up all this makes sense to you girl you ain't got a front don't be happy hey if you got the good die I want some I'm trying to get down this ain't no lie but I ain't never with a menageri squad it's free like the stripes on the A dot Getting live like we at the mark Getting live like we at the market three is the match number half my pocket nah I'll be serving that ass like.

[Melissa Ford]

A market.

[Unknown]

Here in the world Being with you I.

[Joe Budden]

True true see these.

[Unknown]

Things get so I'm caught up in your game I'm kind of saying go maybe it's the way that you on it down low saying things to me to 13 but only know I want to tell you though that these things seem to me situations get you from point A to B I certainly put a counsel on our mistakes I got.

[Flip]

To make sure of two girls on.

[Unknown]

A high beach everything's reaching ain't nobody stopping me they just relax because they know I got a plan for each.

[Parks]

Yeah they realize.

[Joe Budden]

Which one of you.

[Unknown]

Queens coming to get with this Already got one hole in my ominous but I need a couple of add to my list Take a position in my world of compassion satisfaction Ecstasy calling you calling me I know you ain't it for sexual longevity my name is Batya Rosso I see tantrum master sex two or three ecstasy calling you calling me I know your hubby ain't giving you no I action well for one he's too damn masculine he need to relax and take some lessons on giving you climax.

Seeing that you are love it's like a dream come true.

[Ish]

Slum village climax new old music I needed pallet cleanse what you got?

[Flip]

I'm going to young lady's name is pj and the song is day one.

[Unknown]

Look a little different but you still ain't changed Like a new house in the ghetto but you still ain't safe My face is still shoddy but you cute in the face and if you do it so you look, you gotta do it with grace. You can say it's causing number really that ain't the case I know they gonna judge me for whatever I say if I ever change it won't be money, fame it's me just wise enough to add it playing the game I know you out there shorty want this for me one time for me you say yeah, that's right if you out there running over time and a day and done and you say yeah, that's right if you take one nigga still every two one time for me you say yeah that's right you out there shorty want this for me one time for me you say yeah, that's right Then if you do them, if you don't Are you feeling, are you feeling like you out of your mind? If you do them if you want your mind woman you say yeah that's right if you out there grinding over time and day and night you say yeah, that's right.

[Ish]

That is PJ day one. I think my man Nason did that beat. That is dope. I like that record a lot. That was fire.

[Melissa Ford]

That was fire. Okay. Mine is called Bad Energy. It's by Aris Ford and Evan, featuring V Rose.

[Ish]

E R I S There we go. I got it.

[Unknown]

If you're F, I'm the one for it and I don't need no bad energy I've been patient with myself going through my health learning for myself that if you going be in my life taking my time I'mma need it to be something worthwhile for giving me some clarity and everybody that I with is so good for me don't waste my energy leaning back up from me I'm keeping on my PC I just need you to tell me if you're f I'm the one for I don't need no bad energy me cuz lately I've been on a different feeling Working for my he I'm just being real and if you're killing ways you got to go now I'm not trying to slow down playing games it's all I'm just trying to grow if you're not a friend to me we're not making memories only nobody no bad energy, no cap you and I both get a glass Are you seeing your half these things Matter who you surround yourself with who going to have your back and turn to bre with okay that's how you live when you living by faith and me some real ones get around.

[Parks]

When.

[Unknown]

I'm falling down now go I just need you to tell me if you a different feeling working for my he I'm just being real you're not a friend to me we're not making memories I know and if you're killing ways you got to go now trying to slow down playing games and slow down I'm just trying to grow now if you're not a friend to me we're not making.

[Ish]

As Aris Ford and Evan and Eris featuring V Rose Bad energy that was dope too good mark. I see you on your backpack bag with me today too.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

Oh and we're back. We've got sleepers on the sleepers again this is common they say so go ahead the mic into the mic pause.

[Parks]

It'S the 20th anniversary of the B album. It is so I want to shout that out It's a classic album. It's a legendary album. I can't use it for 20 years so I put out day set a.

[G]

Comic feature in Kanye Western they don't.

[Joe Budden]

Know.

[Flip]

They say a bit about these.

[Unknown]

Moms the scheme of things I never lost the rhyme the thin line between love and hatred I'm the black pill in the matrix of saturated life they say life is what you make it so I wait quick on a spaceship so I can take it as high as the stakes get when paper get low I be telling Derek tail Cara get us to show little calm I make righteous bitches get low the richest man ain't necessarily the nigga with dope they say you went wild yeah that's what they say my couldn't tell it was me like Jamie and Ray painting the day with focus grind bars and good wine they say dope is sour so it's homework and hood crimes I stood mine but forever and a day so goodbye they never could say tell them J we say backs and then they lie we coming back with they.

[G]

Might say but they don't know they say they say they.

[Unknown]

Ah sweet taste of victory go ahead and breathe it in like antihistamine I know they saying then they snap with this beat fuck you respect I've got a history creepy love now gotta be them wheels haters background gotta be that steal I know they can't wait till you're out of your deal Akatti did d' Angelo ask em how do it Be my best friends worry about me Cause they know when you fame ass and you have made cash the media aims at us and you be up so high if you ever fall off it feel like a plane crash But God don't ever give me nothing I can't handle so please don't ever give me records I can't sample so I could vacay where it ain't no channels but it's quite okay for a gangster to wear sandals they say because of the famous stardom I'm somewhere in between the church and the sane asylum I guess I is messing with my health then and it's ver so crazy When I finish I'm just going to check myself in again they say dude think he righteous I write just the three minds from Stoney to Rikers amongst the lifeless in the world Crazy as Mike is on my paper Whether it's weed or ISIS they say life is a game so I play hard writing for my life Cause I'm scared of a day job they say Seth kept the hood together I tell the young we can't play the hood forever Play my cards right they say I went to left they show me strange love like I was Mr. F played just in this game up pawns and knights now I claim king like Donna Frank White they say my life is comparable to Christ the way I sacrificed and resurrected twice they say the crochet pants and the sweater was whack Seen the corner now they say that nigga's back.

They say.

[Ish]

As Common and Kanye they say they did put out 20th anniversary. I will say that they did not have to bastardize Despite Kanye West's flaws that album with those weird remixes and.

[Parks]

They put on some of the remixes I didn't love.

[Ish]

I was like, bro, I know Kanye's a Nazi now or whatever and I don't fall with that. But leave his albums the way they were.

[Joe Budden]

Good show y' all good vibes, good Mac and cheese, good energy.

[Evan]

For sure.

[Ish]

Mac and cheese will help the congestion for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm about to go that right out.

[Evan]

It's going to move quick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure.

[Evan]

Yeah, yeah. I. I was able to tell that Mac and cheese from all the butter boys ain't going to stay long here.

[Ish]

For a good time.

[Parks]

Not a long time.

[Evan]

That's why I ain't going to get no more.

[Joe Budden]

Like yeah, yeah, you might want to be careful.

[Evan]

Yeah, you got to be careful with that.

[Joe Budden]

Talking about she trying to look out for black men, some heart conditions.

[Ish]

What about their butt Conditions with the.

[Evan]

Salt, with the butter, but just buttered it up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we know girl. We know girl.

[Parks]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

What's poppin this week? Anything interesting?

[Ish]

Oh, she'd be onstay tonight. That's about it.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Ish]

Oh yeah, should be a good time.

[Melissa Ford]

Hopefully gonna go see Tank. Yeah, okay. At Hell's Kitchen. His run ends June 1, so I want to catch him.

[Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Oh shit. Yeah, you better hit him. I gotta catch him too. Before June 1st for sure. Okay. Other than that. May moving like. Like she got somewhere to be.

[Flip]

May moving left already.

[Evan]

Thank God.

[Flip]

You talking about pack waiting on the U haul.

[Evan]

May was whooping my ass.

[Joe Budden]

I need to get the out of here, boy. Good. I can't believe that we we in June, man.

[Evan]

When you got two kids birthdays and Mother's Day all in the same month, all within the same week and a half.

[Parks]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, and if you're going to honor her of it, then yeah, yeah, I can imagine that hitting hard. Listen, man, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you a do farewell. Adios, Aviva, Diri asta la vista arvoir. So longer by or simple head knob will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And lastly, ego. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Y' all hold it down this week. Hopefully everybody had a really good Memorial Day weekend. We back to work, we back to the grind. We back on our grip again. Shout out to all the kids prepping for a prom out there. Shout out to all the parents out there. Hey, all the happy couples out there and the couples that hate each other, the miserable ones, we love each and every one of y' all, man.

[Evan]

It's about that time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Sure enough, you'll start seeing it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you'll see the signs. You'll see the signs around the house. Trust me, my boy. And that's it, man. Thoughts and prayers to everybody out there, y' all. Hold it down. Shout out to the subgroups, the patronies out there. We'll be back this weekend, same time, same place. Hey, wait a minute. Anybody. Y' all want a shout out? Come on, Mel, get The Gracie's there. 95th millionth shout out that you negotiated for. Part of the conversation, part of the contract. It's part of the contract.

[Melissa Ford]

Part of the contract conversation.

[Evan]

I know. That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Again. Shout out to Kai Sanad with the whole streaming university thing. We love that. Loved it. We absolutely love that.

[G]

Keep killing.

[Evan]

And he kept it. I like that. He kept it.

[Joe Budden]

My favorite part. Come on now.

[Unknown]

It goes it. The new job.

[Parks]

Jbp.

[G]

Jbp.

[Melissa Ford]

Where would you be without the jbp?

[Joe Budden]

Who is that, Mark?

[Parks]

The My Hill Pussy Pussy.