Episode 832 | "Soft Guy Era" (feat. Jeremy Hecht) - The Joe Budden Podcast

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Episode 832 | "Soft Guy Era" (feat. Jeremy Hecht) Release Date: June 7, 2025 Podcast: The Joe Budden Podcast

1. Introduction and Maturity Discussion

Timestamp: 00:00 - 02:59

The episode begins with Joe Budden emphasizing the podcast's entertainment-focused nature, disclaiming any serious or real-life implications. The hosts dive into a discussion about maturity, particularly focusing on the ability to decline scams—a trait Joe associates with adult maturity.

Joe Budden (00:27):
"The true test of maturity... for adult men, is being able to turn down a scam."

Mel (01:15):
"What have I gotten from offering cars, offering wallets? Nigga watching, nigga. Yo, hey, I got this AP Real, nigga."

The conversation shifts between the challenges of self-checkout theft and the evolving nature of scams, highlighting the hosts' experiences and frustrations with modern retail security measures.

2. Personal Relationships and Birth Control Tales

Timestamp: 02:00 - 11:35

The hosts share anecdotes about personal relationships, focusing on mishaps related to birth control and the consequences of unsuccessful attempts. The dialogue is candid and humorous, reflecting on the unpredictability of such situations.

Joe Budden (02:27):
"It's coming with the pamphlet."

Mel (05:26):
"That was bad."
Ish (05:25):
"And he got the all white sheets way underneath."

The segment touches upon the hosts' experiences with relationships, parenting, and the dynamics of having children, setting the stage for more in-depth personal discussions later in the episode.

3. Custody Battle: DDG and Halle Bailey

Timestamp: 12:00 - 91:57

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the tumultuous custody battle between rapper DDG and actress Halle Bailey. The conversation delves into the public nature of their breakup, allegations of abuse, and the psychological implications for both parties involved.

Duke Dennis (93:09):
"October 3, 2024, public breakup... In March of 2025, DDG expresses that he's unable to see his son and that she's keeping Halo from him."

Jeremy Hecht (96:02):
"She had to get a nanny and do everything for the child to be safe."

Joe Budden (103:07):
"These text messages... you have to prove a lot of that."

The hosts navigate the sensitive topic by presenting factual information followed by personal opinions, debating the actions of both DDG and Bailey. They emphasize the importance of respecting parental roles and the challenges of co-parenting amidst personal conflict.

Jeremy Hecht (98:13):
"She's just trying to manage a career, manage a relationship, have a baby... he's antagonizing to a woman who just had his child."

Mel (100:26):
"The only thing I... I see him antagonizing somebody who's dealing with postpartum."

The discussion highlights the complexities of public relationships, the stigma surrounding custody disputes, and the impact of such conflicts on their child.

4. Music Review: Lil Wayne's "Soft Guy Era"

Timestamp: 92:00 - 152:16

The hosts transition to reviewing Lil Wayne's latest album, critiquing its production quality, lyrical content, and overall cohesion. They express disappointment with the direction Wayne has taken, particularly regarding the use of hooks and the absence of notable producers.

Joe Budden (33:03):
"It just sounds like he went through a hard drive of records and just randomly picked."

Flip (37:20):
"It's a far cry from hey Mr. Car. It's just... A hard ass SoundCloud beat."

Mel (150:52):
"I don't think he's a three."

Despite acknowledging Wayne's enduring talent, the hosts feel that the album lacks the polish and collaborative spirit that characterized his earlier works. They discuss the importance of a supportive team in producing quality music and lament the absence of iconic features and producers like Mannie Fresh.

Ish (152:08):
"He needs the right team. He has the talent to still do it."

The segment underscores the challenges artists face in maintaining relevance and quality amidst evolving musical landscapes and personal struggles.

5. Sports Talk: NBA Playoffs and Indiana Pacers' Victory

Timestamp: 152:17 - 235:54

Transitioning to sports, the hosts analyze the ongoing NBA playoffs, spotlighting the Indiana Pacers' unexpected victory in Game 1 against the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Joe Budden (173:09):
"Shout out to the Pacers, they've won game one in every series."

Flip (181:43):
"They really have."

They commend players like Tyrese Haliburton and Bojan Bogdanović for their stellar performances, contrasting them with the Thunder's lackluster first-half display. The discussion touches on coaching decisions, player dynamics, and the overall competitiveness of the current playoffs.

Parks (183:12):
"Indiana matches up pretty well with them outside of the bigs. They defend the bigs."

The hosts express excitement for the series, anticipating more intense and closely contested games as the playoffs progress. They also critique the shift in NBA Finals presentation, feeling that the event lacks the grandeur it once had.

Joe Budden (188:03):
"They could make it look like a big deal but it's just not being treated like the creme de la creme of the sport."

6. Elon Musk vs. Donald Trump: Public Feud and Political Implications

Timestamp: 235:55 - 286:00

A heated segment unfolds as the hosts dissect the public feud between Elon Musk and former President Donald Trump. They explore Musk's criticisms of Trump's economic policies and Musk's claims of political manipulation.

Duke Dennis (237:27):
"Elon Musk left government... he accused Trump of being associated with Jeffrey Epstein."

Jeremy Hecht (202:29):
"Trump says it's the biggest tax cut ever... If this bill doesn't pass, there will be a 68% tax increase."

The conversation delves into the intricacies of political alliances, the influence of social media on public perception, and the broader implications for both figures' careers. The hosts debate the motivations behind Musk's public statements and Trump's strategic responses, highlighting the intertwining of business, politics, and personal vendettas.

Joe Budden (246:38):
"You got to work on the flaws that we have in our personality. I'm shy by nature... stepping outside that trait."

The discussion underscores the polarization in contemporary politics and the challenges public figures face in maintaining professional relationships amidst personal disagreements.

7. Amplifying Women's Voices and Gender Dynamics

Timestamp: 286:01 - 371:00

Towards the end, the hosts engage in a profound dialogue about gender dynamics, particularly focusing on postpartum challenges and the responsibilities of both parents in a household.

Mel (297:00):
"It's dangerous to point the blame at the other person. Instead of finding solutions on how to deal with postpartum."

Jeremy Hecht (311:00):
"A lot of times, added pressure and lack of understanding lead to challenging situations."

The conversation emphasizes the emotional and psychological toll of parenthood, advocating for mutual support and understanding between partners. They critique societal expectations placed on mothers while highlighting the often-overlooked struggles of fathers in similar circumstances.

Parks (348:00):
"You gotta make sure they're healthy... it's a joint effort."

Joe Budden (361:00):
"I feel like calling people stable... producing great music falls on the rapper, producer, team, etc."

The hosts advocate for more open conversations around mental health, postpartum depression, and the importance of balanced parenting roles. They stress the need for shared responsibilities and support systems to foster healthy environments for both parents and children.

8. Closing Remarks and Shoutouts

Timestamp: 371:01 - 423:00

In the final segment, the hosts wrap up with shoutouts to fellow podcasters, upcoming music projects, and casual banter about personal lives and interests. They reinforce the podcast's community-centric ethos, celebrating milestones and expressing gratitude towards their listeners.

Joe Budden (421:00):
"Shout out to friend of the show, Amory. Her Tiny Desk episode released yesterday."

Duke Dennis (422:15):
"It's a good chance."

The episode concludes on a light-hearted note, with the hosts teasing future discussions and maintaining the episode's lively and engaging atmosphere.

Notable Quotes

Joe Budden (00:27):
"The true test of maturity... for adult men, is being able to turn down a scam."
Jeremy Hecht (96:02):
"She's just trying to manage a career, manage a relationship, have a baby... he's antagonizing to a woman who just had his child."
Joe Budden (33:03):
"It just sounds like he went through a hard drive of records and just randomly picked."
Duke Dennis (93:09):
"October 3, 2024, public breakup... In March of 2025, DDG expresses that he's unable to see his son and that she's keeping Halo from him."
Mel (297:00):
"It's dangerous to point the blame at the other person. Instead of finding solutions on how to deal with postpartum."

This episode of The Joe Budden Podcast covers a wide array of topics, from personal anecdotes and music critiques to in-depth discussions on custody battles and political feuds. The hosts maintain a balance between humor and serious discourse, providing listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

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[00:00]
Joe Budden
The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Yo, are we recording? Oh, yeah. The true test of maturity. No, for real, for adult men, is being able to turn down a scam. That sounds good in your head.
[00:40]
Ish
Is that what you're thinking?
[00:42]
Joe Budden
I believe that that is a large part of maturity, yes. That's exactly how the dad went to jail.
[00:48]
Mel
We're not turning down no scams.
[00:51]
Parks
I think it's turning down something else.
[00:53]
Joe Budden
You pardon me? Y' all are mature, successful, our man black and kind of black dads.
[01:01]
Parks
I think it's turning down.
[01:02]
Mel
No, he's a scam whisperer, people.
[01:05]
Parks
Oh, yo, I don't know no scammers.
[01:07]
Joe Budden
You know all of them.
[01:08]
Mel
The you be getting. I'm not putting that into you. I don't want you to go to jail. I don't want to go to jail, but we got to call it what it is. I never.
[01:15]
Joe Budden
We don't have to call it nothing, though. Just let it go.
[01:18]
Mel
What have I gotten from offering cars, offering wallets? Nigga watching, nigga. Yo, hey, I got this AP Real, nigga.
[01:27]
Joe Budden
It's coming with the pamphlet.
[01:29]
Ish
Fucking mind.
[01:32]
Mel
Nigga.
[01:32]
Parks
Outside of some mattresses, some cologne, fuck you think I got a scam for?
[01:37]
Joe Budden
That's the other part. At some point in an adult man's life, you realize that they not coming to get you. Like, you're not doing nothing.
[01:49]
Parks
I know what you talking about.
[01:50]
Joe Budden
You're not doing nothing.
[01:51]
Mel
N be hyping it.
[01:51]
Joe Budden
They not coming nobody. You're not on the rad, on the radar. Phone is not tapped. Yo, you living a good life, yo. There's no need anymore. Phone ain't tapped.
[02:02]
Ish
Lord, a lot of them thought that when they got them ppp.
[02:04]
Mel
Nah, they don't know you.
[02:05]
Joe Budden
They don't know you. They don't know you. They don't know. They came and got them, too, cuz.
[02:10]
Mel
Niggas was doing.
[02:11]
Joe Budden
Was getting three PPPs, yo, and I'm so glad they arrested all them people.
[02:16]
Mel
Ppp.
[02:16]
Joe Budden
Glad the. The people that was bugging. Have you been outside late? The streets have felt different since.
[02:22]
Flip
Oh, yeah, man.
[02:23]
Joe Budden
Them niggas had lines everywhere.
[02:25]
Ish
Oh, no, you couldn't nothing.
[02:27]
Joe Budden
Hell, no.
[02:28]
Ish
Short Hills Mall was up on fire.
[02:29]
Joe Budden
And them man, they the reason that a lot of rules is changing with how companies are operating based off. Based off how people maneuvered back then.
[02:39]
Flip
You're not wrong.
[02:39]
Joe Budden
That's all I'm saying.
[02:40]
Ish
You can't even still let the self.
[02:42]
Joe Budden
Scanner freedom know till it's backwards. You can't freedom until they dumb free.
[02:49]
Ish
Dumb free.
[02:50]
Mel
You can't self checkout.
[02:51]
Ish
You can't steal it to self checkout no more.
[02:54]
Joe Budden
Oh, yeah.
[02:54]
Mel
They got the camera then and the weight joint, dog.
[02:57]
Ish
But my.
[02:58]
Joe Budden
That's the other part of the drawing.
[02:59]
Ish
My elbow went past it. He was like, yo, you moved your arm. It tried to scan your arm. I'm like, fam, I'm just moving this past.
[03:05]
Mel
No, hold on.
[03:06]
Joe Budden
We do gotta stop stealing.
[03:08]
Mel
Oh, you stop? You stop, nigga. The self checkout movement.
[03:13]
Ish
Oh, no, that used to was lit.
[03:15]
Mel
The self checkout joint. You packed the bags and act like you put something there and moved the other shit. It was a whole method to that till they started catching niggas.
[03:23]
Joe Budden
Okay, I'm glad you said that. Free consultation advice for Acme. That old white lady. When I get to the self checkout, I'm gonna pay. But in the event I decide to go about it another way, there's absolutely.
[03:38]
Mel
Nothing that she can do about it at all.
[03:40]
Joe Budden
Absolutely. Why they got Rebecca up there? She could barely walk.
[03:46]
Mel
She walks slow to you to do like we could out Rebecca and she.
[03:50]
Joe Budden
Got the nerve to be annoyed. If you having a problem with the get your fucking ass over here and fix this machine.
[03:54]
Mel
We can run right pass.
[03:55]
Joe Budden
Before I walked in my car, I double parked. I didn't park where I was supposed to. Fire lane.
[03:59]
Ish
Fire lane right out front there. Right there. I can see me. My lights not hit the button.
[04:03]
Joe Budden
Look trunk over there. Some of these cars is a time man, my have back in the store. We want to get to stealing again.
[04:15]
Parks
You get a highlight that you going to jail for stealing some butt popcorn. It's not.
[04:22]
Mel
You said what popcorn?
[04:23]
Ish
What is what? Wait, what is that popcorn like?
[04:26]
Parks
It's just not worth it.
[04:27]
Joe Budden
Oh, having popcorn in your ass. You think that's how I. You think that's how I feel?
[04:33]
Flip
Pockets.
[04:34]
Ish
Yep, his ass laser just start wowing.
[04:37]
Joe Budden
What type of thief you take me for?
[04:39]
Mel
So he boofing the popcorn like a pat.
[04:43]
Joe Budden
He boofing in here. Walking out quick.
[04:45]
Ish
Movie theater butter or no glide right.
[04:49]
Joe Budden
In there with the movie theater butter.
[04:50]
Mel
Y' all niggas is nasty.
[04:51]
Joe Budden
Oh, my God, that is disgusting. Better have extra butter. I have baby powder in my all Types.
[05:01]
Mel
All right.
[05:04]
Joe Budden
Lex always leaving some Pringles in the bed. Always got to go far. Hey, when I sit down in bed, butt ass is when I learn exactly scratched up what Lex done put in his bed. Reese's piece is bunched up, man.
[05:23]
Ish
Fries. That was white sheets.
[05:26]
Joe Budden
That was bad.
[05:27]
Ish
And he got the all white sheets way underneath.
[05:29]
Joe Budden
Deep too. By your foot. Scratching your Doritos, scratching your shoe. Yo, kids. Why do people have kids?
[05:38]
Flip
I've been asking that for years.
[05:40]
Joe Budden
After 80, they could have stopped. After 1980, they could have chilled. Now, when you was born, Blit. After 89, 87, they could have chilled. These kids stupid, though.
[05:51]
Mel
Anyway, it's all good.
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Joe Budden
So good.
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Mel
I like being an 80s baby. It's advantages to being an 80s baby.
[06:00]
Parks
Like what they had. They had medicine for the withdrawal.
[06:06]
Mel
First of all, that's rude. My family wasn't on crack. Also, I didn't go to identity crisis like you, nigga. In the 80s, we didn't know if you was white or black.
[06:12]
Ish
I didn't say.
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Mel
All right, we didn't know that, nigga. That was your favorite song, nigga.
[06:18]
Joe Budden
Black or white?
[06:18]
Mel
Michael Jackson. Watch your mouth when you talk to me.
[06:21]
Parks
My family crisis.
[06:22]
Mel
You had identity crisis as a kid.
[06:23]
Joe Budden
Now let's stop.
[06:24]
Mel
No, my parents was not on crack is.
[06:26]
Parks
I didn't say that. They weren't disrespect your mother.
[06:29]
Mel
Yeah, but you just did.
[06:30]
Joe Budden
I did.
[06:30]
Parks
He got the subtle distance in the 80s, bro. Why do the medicine was out for withdrawal in the 80s. What the.
[06:37]
Joe Budden
All right, got you.
[06:38]
Parks
It's cool.
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Mel
N. It's just being. It's just great, man. We just. I don't know. In the 90s, early when I was young, I just had a good time. Y' all. Y' all dealt with. Y' all dealt with the crack era. I don't think the crack era was too crazy in early 90s when I was a kid. I didn't see it. I didn't see it.
[06:57]
Joe Budden
You saw it.
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Parks
You was born in it.
[06:59]
Mel
No, I'm talking about. Y' all dealt with the hard like the. With the broken down builders in the Bronx, the Newark and all that. Y' all dealt with that Nigga, I lived in. I was cool, gang.
[07:08]
Ish
Yeah.
[07:09]
Parks
You was born in what year?
[07:10]
Mel
87. There was shower.
[07:18]
Joe Budden
You think you just stuttered naturally?
[07:20]
Mel
No.
[07:23]
Joe Budden
Like you never said. Just question certain shit.
[07:26]
Mel
No, I stuttered from it too, nigga. No, I stuttered because I stutter because.
[07:32]
Joe Budden
I know I got scoliosis. They was bullshitting back then.
[07:37]
Mel
I stuttered because I tried to talk fast.
[07:39]
Joe Budden
Okay, one, two.
[07:40]
Jeremy Hecht
That's true.
[07:42]
Mel
None of my. Watch y' all mouth. I'm trying to diss y' all.
[07:45]
Parks
Me.
[07:45]
Joe Budden
Wait, you think. Wait, time out. Stop. You think you was born in 1987 and nobody in your family did nothing?
[07:54]
Mel
Let my mother father. No, he didn't do anything.
[07:56]
Joe Budden
I didn't ask you that.
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Mel
There's probably some. I probably asked you.
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Joe Budden
It's in the jeans.
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Mel
No, it's not in the jeans. Watch your fucking mouth.
[08:03]
Joe Budden
It's in the jean. Have anyone in your family ever done hard crack or cocaine?
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Mel
Yeah, but not.
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Parks
Not cocaine. Crack.
[08:12]
Mel
Crack. Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think so.
[08:14]
Joe Budden
Let's still ask.
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Mel
I think so.
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Flip
Secondhand crack smoke could be a thing, too.
[08:18]
Mel
I wasn't around. And pause, first of all.
[08:20]
Joe Budden
Pause.
[08:20]
Mel
Watch your fucking mouth.
[08:22]
Joe Budden
And we triggering people out there right now.
[08:25]
Mel
Y' all was.
[08:25]
Joe Budden
Oh, man.
[08:26]
Mel
Y' all should be ashamed of yourselves. Y' all should be putting that on me. I come from a hard working family.
[08:32]
Joe Budden
It ain't just you. I spoke to all my mom and dad friends from back when I was born. They tell me clearly, yo, them two should have never though nobody. If you could pick two people from the projects that never should have been together, it was your mom who thought she was cute and your dad who was. Yeah. And I say dad explains it. That makes everything crystal clear.
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Parks
It ain't your fault.
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Joe Budden
I don't know. It was that blackout 79. Blackout? I mean, when pop was a gentleman, Helped Mama up the stairs. Let me stop.
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Jeremy Hecht
Mama. That's hilarious.
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Joe Budden
This guy's nuts. That's how it happened. Y' all never asked your parents how y' all got here?
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Parks
No.
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Joe Budden
Like the night?
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Flip
No, I did.
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Ish
No, I did the math. That was enough for me.
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Flip
It was volunteered to me at Thanksgiving dinner or some. I didn't want to hear that information.
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Joe Budden
I do not want to know that. Are y' all crazy? As an adult now, though, I don't understand.
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Mel
We don't want to know how our parents.
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Joe Budden
The night that you were conceived.
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Ish
No, bro, I did the math. I was birthday sex. That's. That was enough.
[09:36]
Parks
I need to know no more.
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Joe Budden
No one.
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Flip
I was Valentine's Day Mom.
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Jeremy Hecht
I was Valentine's Day sex. When's your birthday?
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Flip
Bars October 18th.
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Joe Budden
Yeah.
[09:45]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
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Flip
Somewhere around there.
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Jeremy Hecht
Yeah. Yep.
[09:49]
Joe Budden
You don't know.
[09:50]
Parks
My mother and father was married.
[09:51]
Joe Budden
I don't know what the fuck they was doing.
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Parks
And they fucking. Yeah, but I ain't gonna say. Yo, on the night that I was conceived.
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Mel
We don't care about That y' all.
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Joe Budden
Yeah.
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Mel
Like it's not my.
[10:01]
Joe Budden
Oh, wait. You just tried to stunt on me. I missed it. I'm late.
[10:05]
Mel
He did my.
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Ish
My parents married. I don't know what y' all think.
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Mel
My parents is married as well. We had married parents took his shit.
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Parks
Yo, we don't have to figure out.
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Mel
That one night he was married.
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Joe Budden
Boy, he was born out of love.
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Mel
Yeah. That was born out of wet lock.
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Joe Budden
I wasn't doing that with the professional side.
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Parks
Y' all was one night mine was.
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Ish
Together hard at all.
[10:30]
Joe Budden
I'm sorry.
[10:31]
Parks
I bet yo, y crazy. Wasn't my.
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Ish
Definitely just stunning.
[10:36]
Parks
I did.
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Joe Budden
I don't. I don't ain't like that stuff.
[10:40]
Parks
Your mother and father still close?
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Ish
That's.
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Parks
That's the stunt that is. I wasn't trying to do that, fam. Your mother and father.
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Joe Budden
It's working. But. Nah, it's working. And Mel was Valentine's Day sex flip. Don't know.
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Mel
I don't know.
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Joe Budden
Okay.
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Mel
I think when they got married to the day they got married. My honeymoon.
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Joe Budden
Yeah.
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Mel
No, the day they got married.
[11:05]
Flip
Oh, you're a consummation baby.
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Joe Budden
I had old school rules too.
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Flip
Yeah.
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Joe Budden
I started thinking about my. My back in the days and the way I had them in the tailspin. I had to see. Well, Pop had moms. She was baking cakes. My mom.
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Mel
Why you tell the story?
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Joe Budden
My mom is not a baker. Anyway, she gonna get me.
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Ish
Yeah, I'm starting.
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Joe Budden
I'm starting. She gonna get me.
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Mel
It's over.
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Joe Budden
It's over. It's over. It's over. All right. Feeling good. Feeling great. Who's ready to rock?
[11:34]
Ish
Let's get it.
[11:35]
Joe Budden
Let's pop.
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Jeremy Hecht
Let's do it.
[11:36]
Ish
Ready to pop.
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Joe Budden
Okay.
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H
We deserve this combination and inspiration that you puss ass niggas. I just realized y' all can't fuck me. You never will, bitch ass nigga. We damn, baby. Yeah, I got the cheese, though. You see it on them joke buttons in the drunk straight jumping bitch. I can't hear nothing. No, I might. You get spider sitting on them Tim Duncan and then a Lamborghini. I do donuts like Duncan. I come every bad bitch with a pussy wanna fuck em but I just give them drugs and just watch them fuck each other. It make a pussy when I leave that bitch with a puddle on my beats. I'm a dog, I should rap with a muzzle. Pink man and flow I just go no huddle, baby girl. Getting straight dick, no cuddle. You know I'm out this world. I just bought a space Shuttle.
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Joe Budden
I'mma put some Ds on that.
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H
Like fleas on my. Have you seen her? She's on my hip. Yellow white diamonds colored cheese on them dresses these ain't baller.
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Parks
Yeah.
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Mel
Mr. Weed, baby.
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Joe Budden
Mike shake, Mike shake. One, two, one, two. I just gave me a lot of Wayne records to play, so I need you like I need your help. Yeah, please. Yeah.
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Mel
Come on, man.
[12:59]
Joe Budden
Come on, man.
[13:00]
H
Check me out. Look, 26 inches got me sitting crooked.
[13:07]
Joe Budden
All right, Let it cook there at least talk. Give me something. Mel. Help him. Help your bro. Help your little bro out.
[13:15]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, sir, we're doing it.
[13:16]
Joe Budden
We're in the middle of a wing ship.
[13:18]
Mel
We're doing it.
[13:20]
Parks
You know what time, man?
[13:22]
Joe Budden
We had a whole talk. Let's just get the up in here, man.
[13:26]
Mel
Is it genuine, though? Are we genuinely playing this?
[13:28]
Flip
Yes.
[13:29]
Ish
Yeah, we playing.
[13:29]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[13:30]
Flip
We love Wayne.
[13:31]
H
I'm the hottest jumper we do.
[13:38]
Mel
Okay, let's go.
[13:48]
Joe Budden
Oh, my God. Let me do my part. Let me do my part. Let me do my part with the music. I mean with the music.
[14:03]
H
I meant with my daddy. Call me sleep. She with my daddy. So diss me and don't diss my daddy. Cause who was that when no one wasn't just my daddy. Okay, who was that when I needed money? Just my daddy. So who be that when I see the money? Just my daddy.
[14:40]
Mel
Who said get your foot swag right now?
[14:42]
H
Hello, hip hop, I'm home. It's your daddy. When I say these, I don't mean the Caddy, I mean these facts 8 causing Cali Rick Ross tip stunning Fat Joe and I can't, can't forget Briscoe yeah, I just watched the bush and Wizzo It's a bakery here just trying to get dough Shout to my guys.
[15:01]
Joe Budden
Let'S I'm a king.
[15:12]
H
You can ask Steven if I'm lying I'm a prince Too demanding like my.
[15:15]
Joe Budden
Mom Too old, too cold like west.
[15:19]
H
It'S all about me. If the girl got a voice did she tell about me? Me he say, she say I say me will be inducted standing with Mr.
[15:34]
Mel
G. Here we go.
[15:38]
Joe Budden
This for all the people that standing.
[15:41]
Mel
With that PvP loan.
[15:42]
H
Before getting caught, you was in a project with a Bentley. But even though let's go.
[15:53]
Mel
This the time it was stunting boy.
[15:56]
Joe Budden
It had fall gas money out there. Let me hear you this Wayne right here.
[16:35]
Ish
Yep.
[16:36]
Joe Budden
This, this club run right here. Being outside for this, I feel sorry.
[16:41]
Ish
For any of y' all that missed this.
[17:08]
Joe Budden
I promise y' all, we starting soon. I promise Y' all know who it is. You know what we came to do today. All right, that's it, man. Mike shack. One, two, one, two.
[17:28]
Ish
Only the world wants to know this one.
[17:29]
Joe Budden
Greatest broadcast in the world. Shout out to everybody on vacation right now. Everybody getting money right now. Everybody working on their grind. Shout out to the nine to five is the entrepreneurs out there. Shout out to the happy couples and the miserable couples too. It's breakup season. Stay on your grizzly, you heard it goes.
[17:45]
H
Since I've lost you, I'm lost too. God knows that I do anything so hard to heart to be praying for the day you come back to me saying that you forgive me give me another chance I'm needing it like a kidney I don't want to advance Give me back her hands, give me back her touch. I don't ask for much but I fucked up. I know I I up, I admit I up but everybody up now this other locked up telling me and my.
[18:13]
Joe Budden
Don'T give a It's back when he was dating black girls. Black girls sending you the studio.
[18:18]
H
I was a soldier, I was a gangster. She was my shoulder. You were pistol to my.
[18:26]
Joe Budden
All right, it's almost sacrilegious to cut this off, but we do have to get to work.
[18:31]
Ish
We got a job to do.
[18:32]
Joe Budden
We do have to get to work. Work.
[18:33]
Flip
Unfortunately, today.
[18:34]
Joe Budden
Oh, my Lord. Oh, man. But the second verse is when he got his bag. What? She forgot about Wayne. We got work to do.
[19:00]
H
Take away my title, take away my stripes. You give me back my girl and you give me back my life back.
[19:08]
Ish
Good Joe.
[19:09]
Jeremy Hecht
That was awesome.
[19:10]
Joe Budden
Thank you, guys. Man, thank you, guys. I couldn't have done that without freeze slip Mel. Big ish Parks. Jeremy hacked in the building. We couldn't have done it. That's the total group effort. New Joe Biden, keep this applause going for the best crew in the entire world. Get these drops out the way right quick. And the best fans, fans in the world. Shout out to y' all. Man, without y' all, none of this is possible. Keep this applause going, all right? 8:32. Welcome to episode 8:32 of the Joe Button podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, really happy to be here. Host was really conflicted about shorts or pants this morning, too. By the way, it's hot out, though. I just don't like how the shorts lay on the couch. I'm about to give a mad package.
[20:12]
Jeremy Hecht
I was gonna say those are your coochie kaka shorts.
[20:15]
Joe Budden
If the wind blow wrong, this might get a dose you gotta put a.
[20:20]
Flip
Blanket on or something.
[20:21]
Joe Budden
Swirl, man.
[20:23]
Ish
Take a pillow.
[20:24]
Joe Budden
Get a bath bomb. Fuck, man.
[20:28]
Jeremy Hecht
I got a pashmina in the back.
[20:29]
Joe Budden
You want it anyway? No, not. Not yet. I'm all right. Oh, my God. Sorry about that, you guys. Anyway, this episode is brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Prize picks. Prize picks, gang. You had the pleasure of running down there yesterday. Really beautiful building, beautiful building. Shout out to the prize picks, homies, and I'm here with you. Already know the vibes. Gang, gang, gang, gang. To my right. To my right. Huh? Mishap off. You got this, girl.
[21:00]
Jeremy Hecht
Keep trying it, keep trying. Trying it.
[21:03]
Joe Budden
Big Melissa Ford in the building. Queens. Flip, flip. Get the money. I don't understand. Look at. Keep going. How you feeling, man?
[21:20]
Mel
I feel good.
[21:21]
Joe Budden
Good. Good to see you. Good to have you here with us today.
[21:23]
Mel
Yeah. Why you looking at me like that?
[21:25]
Joe Budden
No reason.
[21:26]
Mel
Okay?
[21:27]
Joe Budden
There's no reason.
[21:27]
Mel
You shout. You didn't shout us out in the beginning.
[21:29]
Joe Budden
Again. Again. Oh, Flip. And Mel. Mel, Mel. But I'm home working on y' all drops. Well, at least a Mel's drop.
[21:38]
Mel
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.
[21:40]
Joe Budden
I am working on Mel's drop.
[21:41]
Mel
I can't wait to get.
[21:42]
Joe Budden
I feel like it was something last episode that. That I liked. I liked.
[21:45]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[21:46]
Joe Budden
Yeah, we working on it. We working on it.
[21:48]
Mel
I'll be last. Don't worry about it.
[21:50]
Joe Budden
To his right.
[21:51]
Mel
Yeah.
[21:54]
Joe Budden
Famous Amos himself. King Wawa. Take a bow. Yeah, Big ish. Missed the one. Thousand doors. Make some noise.
[22:08]
Ish
Thousand doors.
[22:09]
Joe Budden
More. More than that now. More than that now. Had Raz come up here.
[22:15]
Ish
I saw that.
[22:15]
Joe Budden
Yeah. I mean, had his mans come up here real quick, blessed us. And.
[22:20]
Mel
And he's a landlord that go to all the properties. He double check. Hey. Okay. How you doing? I got some cookies for y' all. Yeah, make sure you feel good.
[22:27]
Joe Budden
That nigga turned into Torre when Raz was up here.
[22:30]
Mel
You showing out a bit? Little bit.
[22:31]
Joe Budden
He. He turned into.
[22:32]
Mel
That was your man.
[22:33]
Joe Budden
I didn't even know you had them type of interviewing skills in you at all.
[22:37]
Ish
N. You cook?
[22:38]
Mel
You bet.
[22:38]
Parks
I know what you talking about, fam.
[22:40]
Mel
But talking about your. I can answer it. We talking about your interviewing style.
[22:42]
Parks
When.
[22:43]
Mel
When. When he was up here.
[22:45]
Joe Budden
That's exactly what we talking about.
[22:46]
Mel
Yeah, we talking about your interviewing style. Very good.
[22:48]
Ish
When you interviewing the mayor of the city where you buy all the houses at. You know what I'm saying?
[22:52]
Jeremy Hecht
He did.
[22:52]
Ish
Well, we pe. Yeah, you bodied that.
[22:54]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[22:54]
Joe Budden
You did kill that. You can tell he trying to get something Come on now you can tell.
[22:58]
Jeremy Hecht
He trying to grease the wheel.
[23:00]
Flip
Grease the wheel.
[23:02]
Parks
I try to on.
[23:05]
Joe Budden
You did without putting yourself on.
[23:07]
Parks
I didn't mention myself.
[23:08]
Joe Budden
Well the topic with yourself.
[23:10]
Mel
But he's on first already. He's.
[23:12]
Flip
He's already on put to Put your man on.
[23:15]
Joe Budden
You got to do.
[23:17]
Ish
Yeah, if you say so.
[23:18]
Parks
Cool.
[23:19]
Joe Budden
You got it at what interest rate?
[23:21]
Mel
Too big.
[23:22]
Jeremy Hecht
Honest.
[23:25]
Joe Budden
Oh, and it's that back and bank of America ask you a question. Oh yeah, boy turn bank of America that Chinese new interest rate. Nah, lower this. Yeah, that's right. Insane. All right. Next to Ish. The freeziest of them all girl audience. I don't care if y' all think my intros is long either. I don't care.
[23:48]
Flip
Whatever.
[23:50]
Joe Budden
Anyway. The freeziest of huh.
[23:52]
Parks
They can fast forward, right?
[23:56]
Flip
They have the option.
[23:58]
Joe Budden
We don't want to encourage. But they can't can. We don't want to remind them. I know the parts that they fast forward to. I'll never say it anyway.
[24:10]
Jeremy Hecht
Anyways. Freeze.
[24:11]
Joe Budden
Freeze is here.
[24:12]
Ish
I am here.
[24:12]
Joe Budden
Freeze is here, man. Come on. Mr. Take it further is here. New Apple Apple watch band every week.
[24:18]
Flip
Every time.
[24:19]
Joe Budden
New Apple Apple watch band every week.
[24:21]
Jeremy Hecht
I thought that was a cabala bracelet.
[24:23]
Joe Budden
A new bezel?
[24:25]
Ish
No, new bezel.
[24:25]
Joe Budden
Wait, what you thought he had.
[24:26]
Jeremy Hecht
I thought it was.
[24:27]
Flip
You thought he was a cabal?
[24:28]
Jeremy Hecht
I thought it was a cabal. Abras. Is that what it was called?
[24:30]
Joe Budden
Called? Yeah. Yeah.
[24:31]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay. Thank you.
[24:32]
Mel
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
[24:33]
Flip
Me either.
[24:33]
Jeremy Hecht
You know the religion where you wear the red band on your network? Anyways, Parks is in the building.
[24:39]
Flip
Hey, there we go.
[24:42]
Mel
Keep going.
[24:43]
Joe Budden
You're finishing now. Go ahead.
[24:45]
Jeremy Hecht
I Madonna used to wear it. That's all I know.
[24:48]
Mel
No, we told.
[24:49]
Flip
That's what is the cabal.
[24:51]
Mel
Bohead Cor is here.
[24:53]
Joe Budden
Corey is here. We have a special guest, Jeremy Hecht here watching from the side. Make some noise for Jeremy and his lovely lady. Make some noise for her. Make some noise. Make some noise for fucking it up. If anybody else is listening and thought they had their eye on Jeremy too. Make some noise for blowing that one.
[25:15]
Parks
Right up your eye.
[25:21]
Joe Budden
Eric.
[25:23]
Parks
Right up your. That's your man, son.
[25:25]
Joe Budden
That's what. Oh, man. Bitches like pods. Party girls like podcast. They listen to them shits.
[25:32]
Parks
We know.
[25:32]
Joe Budden
I bet you do know. How do you know Erickson is here? And last, but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. How's everybody doing? Feeling spiritually, emotionally, physically, mentally. Talk to me. Talk to me.
[25:46]
Mel
Feeling Great.
[25:47]
Jeremy Hecht
Feeling good.
[25:48]
Joe Budden
Feeling good, man.
[25:49]
Ish
Ready to get this last getting school out the way for these damn kids.
[25:52]
Mel
It's getting nice outside, so we about to show some ass.
[25:54]
Flip
Final. Finally. Finally feeling the spring.
[25:56]
Mel
You bout to spring.
[25:57]
Flip
You gonna show some ass all summer? A little bit, yeah.
[26:00]
Mel
No, when I mean show ass, I mean, you know, just. It may be, you know, every time it gets hot while we up here, you know, two people take off, three people take off. You know what I'm saying? But we here to bring the best of us to you guys. You know what I mean? But we about to show ass. It's hot outside. It looks good, Joe.
[26:14]
Jeremy Hecht
I feel like. Okay.
[26:16]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[26:16]
Mel
You feel like what?
[26:18]
Jeremy Hecht
Show our ass.
[26:19]
H
That's.
[26:20]
Jeremy Hecht
I think that's the first race.
[26:21]
Mel
I'm for self, okay? I'm for death. I want to speak about stuff. I'm very selfish up here. I want to speak about stuff. But, yeah, y' all too. Y' all too. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, good. Good week.
[26:31]
Jeremy Hecht
That was a good week.
[26:32]
Parks
I'm with you.
[26:32]
Joe Budden
How's everybody's week been?
[26:35]
Flip
It was great. I was in the studio all week. I'm just. Nothing too exciting.
[26:38]
Joe Budden
Just be blurred and it just go.
[26:41]
Mel
You not a joke.
[26:42]
Parks
It was May.
[26:42]
Ish
Now it's June.
[26:43]
Parks
Like I said, I don't even really be paying attention.
[26:45]
Mel
See, now we know you want some. Look, you got blurred. We weeks. We know losing all that weight that fast. Losing way fast be blurred. I was in Maine.
[26:56]
Joe Budden
Are you here?
[26:56]
Mel
Oh, man.
[26:57]
Parks
What is wrong?
[26:59]
Mel
Check on them.
[27:00]
Joe Budden
They share in the pack.
[27:02]
Mel
For the record, Mel got the abs. Yeah, she came out. Yeah, she got the sculpted.
[27:09]
Jeremy Hecht
I work out that that's where you.
[27:10]
Mel
Get your abs like that.
[27:12]
Jeremy Hecht
What? Yeah, I have all.
[27:13]
Joe Budden
Always.
[27:14]
Jeremy Hecht
Always had them. Okay, Mel, check this out. Anyways.
[27:16]
Parks
Yeah, you got abs. How do y' all know she got abs?
[27:19]
Jeremy Hecht
Exactly. That was what I was asking. I was like, literally, my stomach is covered.
[27:23]
Mel
Well, let me be careful because we did watch the HR video, so.
[27:29]
Duke Dennis
I'm.
[27:29]
Mel
Not able to elaborate.
[27:30]
Joe Budden
She's slowly walking the dog to HR, too. How do you mean by. What do you mean by Queen's Flit, AKA Trevor with tattoos, located on, like, you gotta be careful. All right, good, good. So nobody did shit on me.
[27:48]
Jeremy Hecht
No, I was outside this week.
[27:49]
Joe Budden
Hey. Okay.
[27:51]
Jeremy Hecht
I went to Tao for one of my girlfriend's birthdays. And then last night, I had dinner at Percay.
[27:57]
Mel
That was fun for Delft.
[28:00]
Jeremy Hecht
What, by myself?
[28:01]
Joe Budden
Yeah. No, and what was fun about it? Like, did we get more of A deep dive than the name of a restaurant.
[28:06]
Jeremy Hecht
So Per Se is a Michelin rated restaurant here in New York City.
[28:13]
Mel
We didn't ask about the restaurant. We didn't ask about the restaurant. Stop giving shout outs.
[28:17]
Ish
We didn't ask about the restaurant.
[28:18]
Joe Budden
They don't.
[28:19]
Jeremy Hecht
Trust me, Trust me, trust me. They do not need our.
[28:23]
Joe Budden
You said that about BMW.
[28:26]
Jeremy Hecht
This is so. One of the most interesting parts about this restaurant is you can't open the door. You can't open the door to get in. Okay, man, they have to open the door for you. And it's sliding. Okay, Ma' am, this is a sliding glass door. Exactly. So unless you have a reservation, you cannot walk in.
[28:43]
Joe Budden
Gotcha.
[28:43]
Mel
So they lock you inside. Fire hazard.
[28:45]
Joe Budden
Okay, got you. I'm listening.
[28:48]
Jeremy Hecht
It was. Okay, so then it's like.
[28:50]
Joe Budden
I see where this is a thing. Y' all laughing at it, but I understand this. Your man Cory ain't had a girlfriend and Corey ain't mailed from that shit that happened in the. When he was engaged. Y' all know why Corey is like this? He got engaged, it went afoul, and now this is what we get.
[29:07]
Flip
Yeah.
[29:08]
Joe Budden
So go ahead, Mel. I'm on the edge the of my seat.
[29:10]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[29:11]
Joe Budden
All right.
[29:11]
Jeremy Hecht
So anyways, a Time Warner building, it has a.
[29:14]
Joe Budden
So how'd you get an invite?
[29:15]
Jeremy Hecht
Huh?
[29:16]
Mel
How did you get an invite?
[29:17]
Joe Budden
If it's like.
[29:17]
Jeremy Hecht
I had reservations?
[29:19]
Joe Budden
So anybody can make a reservation.
[29:21]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, yeah.
[29:21]
Joe Budden
Okay. Got it, got it, got it.
[29:22]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So you walk inside and it's got a view of Central park and it's really, really beautiful.
[29:29]
Parks
It's upstairs.
[29:30]
Jeremy Hecht
It's on the fourth floor in the Time Warner Center.
[29:32]
Flip
Okay.
[29:33]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah. In Columbus Circle.
[29:34]
Flip
How was the food?
[29:35]
Jeremy Hecht
So it was 14 courses and with little curses. Yes, with a flight of wine. And I. It was.
[29:45]
Flip
Was it like artsy food?
[29:46]
Jeremy Hecht
Extraordinarily. And very decadent and a lot.
[29:49]
Flip
But did it taste good?
[29:50]
Jeremy Hecht
Yes.
[29:51]
Joe Budden
Hold up. There you go. That was from earlier. That's not for now.
[29:57]
Parks
We're not clapping today.
[29:59]
Jeremy Hecht
And then that's it.
[30:01]
Mel
So you enjoyed yourself now?
[30:02]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[30:02]
Mel
Did you have a good time?
[30:03]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[30:03]
Mel
Did anybody notice you while you in there?
[30:07]
Jeremy Hecht
What way?
[30:08]
Mel
No. Like.
[30:13]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, you're very clever and a. I'm just listening. That's okay. I'm done. This is. This is my little recap of what I did during the week.
[30:21]
Joe Budden
Nobody else did more than us. They don't do way more than. I'm with you.
[30:26]
Parks
But I'm not. I'm not mad at Per Se.
[30:28]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, it Was fun. It was definitely fun. I have a group of friends and we're just trying to try all the Michelin restaurants in, you know, around, around, around the country.
[30:37]
Mel
That's dope. That's dope.
[30:38]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[30:38]
Joe Budden
That's fire. I'm trying to think of something cool like that for like a group of guy friends to do.
[30:44]
Flip
Watch the game.
[30:45]
Joe Budden
No, try all the strip clubs.
[30:48]
Flip
Try all the strip clubs. For sure.
[30:50]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[30:50]
Jeremy Hecht
I mean, you guys should think about like some out the box activities for y' all.
[30:54]
Joe Budden
Somebody left a comment the other day and was like under Pod Wives. And they said, yo, next season, every episode of Pod Wives should just be shot in a different location like Jamaica and Aruba.
[31:05]
Ish
That's fine.
[31:06]
Mel
That's fine.
[31:06]
Joe Budden
And I was like, you know what? As, as crazy as that may sound, I don't think that's a bad idea.
[31:11]
Parks
Just one a month.
[31:13]
Joe Budden
Yeah, but I mean, even if you did it every other month on the fly around tip, do it that way.
[31:17]
Ish
That's kind of fly.
[31:18]
Joe Budden
That's kind of fly. Super dope. So I'm not all the way opposed to that, but my brain is working. I'm glad that your crew found something that's fly to do. Like this. Yeah. Yes.
[31:28]
Jeremy Hecht
No, that's fine.
[31:29]
Joe Budden
So how do you try all the Michelin star restaurants and remain so.
[31:37]
Parks
I'll feed you.
[31:38]
Ish
She work out.
[31:39]
Joe Budden
Right away.
[31:41]
Ish
She works out and they don't do.
[31:43]
Flip
Late night dinners, you know, it's small.
[31:44]
Ish
It's small portions.
[31:46]
Joe Budden
Duh.
[31:47]
Ish
14 courses. You know, they gotta be small.
[31:49]
Joe Budden
She ain't seen Wade Bryant in about nine months. Months. Anyway.
[31:54]
Ish
Well, cuz she learned her stuff.
[31:57]
Joe Budden
This not the Melissa Ford show. Hot and bother coming station near you.
[32:00]
Jeremy Hecht
Gotcha.
[32:03]
Joe Budden
Wayne.
[32:05]
Ish
Wayne.
[32:05]
Joe Budden
Little Wayne's album. Let's start. Let's get right to it. Yeah, no need to bull. No need to hook foot around.
[32:11]
Flip
It was late. It was late on the dsp. So this is a, a, a common thread. I feel like we've had the conversation multiple times. I stayed up till like 12:30 waiting for it and it didn't show. So I was like, it, I'm going to be bad.
[32:22]
Ish
It was a weird. It was a weird. Even prior to the drop, like no single, no track list until 11, I think. Well, it went out like 11:30, something like that. The actual track list, it was a fake one floating around. But we heard nothing from what this album would sound like direction, just nothing. Oh, damn near like a surprise drop. I thought it wasn't gonna come out.
[32:46]
Jeremy Hecht
Did you guys know about there was.
[32:48]
Flip
A reason for that.
[32:49]
Jeremy Hecht
They had a release date.
[32:50]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[32:50]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[32:50]
Joe Budden
He.
[32:51]
Ish
He dropped the release date back a couple months ago.
[32:53]
Flip
Yeah.
[32:53]
Ish
During the Super Bowl. Like, right before the super bowl, he had an announcement to make, and it was that the album was coming. We were like, damn. Now even. We came here and talked about. I said, damn, that's kind of weird for you to just pop up with this announcement for your album.
[33:06]
Flip
I will say that it's pretty fitting that there was no direction being presented in the public, because there was absolutely no direction on this album whatsoever.
[33:17]
Parks
At all.
[33:17]
Flip
Whatsoever. So I woke up and hit, you know, hit the social media streets, and it was just shitting all over Wayne's album. So I was scared to hit play.
[33:26]
Mel
Okay.
[33:27]
Flip
I was scared to hit play, but I did, naturally. And the first couple songs, I'm like, man, I think people are being a little hard on this. This ain't so bad.
[33:34]
Ish
And then it made a turn, and.
[33:35]
Flip
Then a very hard left came right.
[33:38]
Ish
Into a brick wall.
[33:40]
Flip
Maybe worse than a brick. I don't know what the brick.
[33:42]
Parks
How many songs?
[33:43]
Flip
Wow. I don't know.
[33:44]
Joe Budden
20 something, maybe 19 songs.
[33:47]
Ish
So I'm gonna tell you, I had. One of the producers sent me five records.
[33:50]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[33:50]
Ish
Early yesterday, like, three o' clock.
[33:52]
Flip
Okay.
[33:53]
Ish
It happened to be, like, the best.
[33:55]
Joe Budden
Five records on the album.
[33:57]
Ish
So I'm like, all right. I ain't really. If this is where you going, okay. This.
[34:04]
Flip
This could work, right?
[34:06]
Ish
I did see that that track list that was floating around was false. I'm like, okay, that was good. Because when I saw those list of features, I was like, I don't know if this is gonna fit the Carter series.
[34:18]
Flip
Yeah.
[34:19]
Ish
Like, just reading the names.
[34:20]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[34:21]
Ish
I don't know, but. And you get to listen to the album intro was hard. Like, you said, the first couple songs, and then it just. It sounds like there was no. It sounds like he went through a hard drive of records and just randomly picked.
[34:37]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[34:38]
Ish
Or whoever did it. I don't. I don't know if it was him, if he had some. You know, I've heard rumors that somebody else was working with, organizing the album, but whoever it was, it just sounds like these are just random records. All right, yo, give me that one. Give me that one. Give me this one. Give me this one.
[34:51]
Flip
Yeah, it covered different genres. There's rock records on here. There's. Yeah, I don't know. Once I hit the bottle record, I was like, okay, we're. We've gone too far.
[35:00]
Ish
And then when I heard the elephant that's When I said okay, that was okay. Okay. I I this is not for me anymore.
[35:06]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[35:07]
Jeremy Hecht
When you say it made like a hard left, what does that mean, a hard left?
[35:11]
Ish
Cuz when the first couple records are.
[35:13]
Joe Budden
Okay or even good, you kind of stopped your review after the intro was hard and began to talk about something else.
[35:20]
Ish
Yeah, you did.
[35:20]
Mel
Sorry, I was waiting on your review for you.
[35:22]
Ish
You want like track by track?
[35:23]
Parks
No, he said the first couple was cool.
[35:25]
Joe Budden
First couple, play one of the records that you think is a high.
[35:30]
Ish
Okay.
[35:31]
Joe Budden
Remember? I guess, I guess that's what I'm saying. Got you like y' all are doing a great job at whatever Gregory Hines is going on right now.
[35:39]
Mel
Of course. I mean he about to go to a show. He want to go to show.
[35:42]
Ish
I hope he don't perform none of these records at the show that I'm going to.
[35:45]
Joe Budden
I don't worry. I'm going to take it a step further in a second.
[35:47]
Flip
Sure.
[35:48]
Ish
I like the intro. So this is. Welcome to the Carter.
[35:51]
Joe Budden
When you say intro, you mean track two or track one?
[35:54]
Ish
Track one is just.
[35:55]
Joe Budden
Yes, this is the actual. This is what told me he didn't have money for beats.
[36:14]
Flip
Yeah.
[36:16]
Joe Budden
Very early. Track two.
[36:18]
H
Man of my word I stand on my word Y' all get on my nerves I get high and land like a bird Respect I don't demand stand I deserve my standard superb family first family second family third Scrambling squirrel scamming I said I treat sweet smart like candy like nerds I know the fish cameras observe cuz the cash is absurd I mean the house of mass if I just added concurrent I like, I.
[36:42]
Mel
Like, I like that no, he was wrong.
[36:44]
Joe Budden
I like that. Yeah.
[36:45]
Ish
That's what I'm saying.
[36:46]
Joe Budden
So no need to look at me and say no.
[36:48]
Mel
I'm just saying I got we having a decision. Yeah, I like that.
[36:51]
Joe Budden
You just me told talking.
[36:52]
Mel
All right.
[36:53]
Ish
I I the next record was a rock the Bell's flip that I, I don't like to beat.
[36:58]
Joe Budden
But he's rapping like actually let me reply to flip. Cuz since we doing this, I challenge you to listen to the whole thing and see how you feel at the end.
[37:08]
Mel
The whole, that whole record.
[37:09]
Joe Budden
Yeah, like that, that. It did sound cool. By the end of it, I was sick of what the producer was doing.
[37:17]
Flip
Yeah.
[37:17]
Mel
With the beat.
[37:19]
Joe Budden
Yeah, got it. And the hook.
[37:20]
Flip
It felt like an AI sample thing. I don't know what that was.
[37:22]
Joe Budden
It's a, it's a far cry from hey Mr. Car. It's just. It sounds like Just a hard ass SoundCloud beat.
[37:32]
Flip
Yeah, it's. It's contrived too. Like some of the dope about like vocal samples and vocal sample flips is like the flip part.
[37:39]
Joe Budden
How'd you get that?
[37:40]
Flip
Yeah, how. And you took this and made it into saying what you wanted it to say. Whereas if you. I don't know if it's AI or if they had someone just like do some sample recreation. But when it's like two on the nose, it's not dope. Like, we didn't sample the 70s records with the vocal sample just because of how it sounded. It was the creativity of saying, oh, I could make this sample sound like it's talking about this. When they were. Maybe it was a love song or something like that. Whereas if you just put some. I don't know, like I said, if it's AI, you put it in the generator and make it say what you want it to say.
[38:12]
Parks
It sound too perfect, you mean? Or.
[38:14]
Flip
It's not too perfect.
[38:14]
Joe Budden
It's just.
[38:15]
Flip
There's no creativity there. The creativity is in the flip.
[38:17]
Mel
If there's no flip, it's so, for example, like styles. I get high.
[38:21]
Flip
Exactly.
[38:21]
Joe Budden
Got it.
[38:22]
Flip
Yeah, great example.
[38:23]
Mel
Got you.
[38:23]
Joe Budden
Great example. Okay, but continue.
[38:27]
Flip
I like the. I think the big X Plug record came up soon after. I like that record.
[38:31]
Ish
The Bell's record was next.
[38:32]
Flip
Okay, you want to go? Oh, we can.
[38:34]
Ish
Yes, we can track my track. I don't mind.
[38:36]
Joe Budden
Oh, hell no. Not for 19 songs.
[38:38]
Flip
No. Well, it's.
[38:39]
Joe Budden
We're not playing with Lil Wayne today.
[38:40]
Flip
Once we get this track 6, we can start to veer off.
[38:42]
Jeremy Hecht
Disperse.
[38:43]
Flip
Yeah.
[38:44]
Joe Budden
Oh, okay. All right.
[38:46]
Ish
So you. Where do you want to go?
[38:48]
Joe Budden
Go ahead. Give me 20 seconds. All these run through it.
[38:50]
Ish
It.
[38:50]
Joe Budden
Let's go, Joe. Yeah. Let's get this whole.
[38:52]
Mel
You about to take it further. I see it in your eyes.
[38:59]
Joe Budden
This is another one that I thought was hard for the first 20 seconds.
[39:03]
H
Wayne is sharp as nails.
[39:05]
Joe Budden
Hammer.
[39:05]
H
Anybody that talk that in I exhale Cush, y' all smell thugging Since I got out of jail.
[39:20]
Joe Budden
That was a hard intro.
[39:21]
Flip
And then the beat.
[39:22]
Ish
The beat didn't live up to the intro.
[39:29]
Jeremy Hecht
Is it that you find the beat to elementary Leave your body looking like.
[39:33]
Flip
I guess.
[39:33]
Joe Budden
Guess.
[39:34]
Flip
I guess that's a way to put it.
[39:35]
Joe Budden
There we go. Pause. You can pause it.
[39:37]
Flip
Okay, I get. Yeah, I guess it don't.
[39:40]
Parks
It don't got enough. It's not play in it.
[39:42]
Flip
It's.
[39:42]
Parks
No.
[39:45]
Joe Budden
It'S not what Bangladesh would have did. No, it's not. Even if it's the same sounds, the.
[39:51]
Flip
Swag is missing from it.
[39:52]
Joe Budden
Like, it sounds like a novice producer. And that's without me checking the credits.
[39:58]
Flip
Yeah. No, there's no big name producers of note that. Except Manny Fresh did one way late in the album. That's the only big name I remember. The Clef record, which.
[40:08]
Joe Budden
And. And. And let me just say what. What track are we on right now?
[40:14]
Ish
This is two. This is three, technically.
[40:16]
Flip
Yeah.
[40:17]
Joe Budden
Yeah, go ahead.
[40:19]
Flip
I like the big extra plug record.
[40:20]
Joe Budden
I love the big record. To me, sounds like a big extra plug record.
[40:24]
Flip
For sure.
[40:24]
Joe Budden
It does. So I'm not so mad at that.
[40:26]
Flip
I like that.
[40:27]
Ish
I love that record.
[40:28]
Joe Budden
The two Chains record I wasn't so mad at either.
[40:31]
Flip
I wasn't even mad at this. Like, we'll get into the Terrible Match genre mashups later. I wasn't terribly mad at the Jelly Roll and Big Shaw record. I didn't hate that.
[40:39]
Ish
I like that one, too.
[40:40]
Joe Budden
Oh, I was mad.
[40:40]
Flip
Oh, I didn't. I didn't mind that record.
[40:42]
Ish
I'm not mad at that.
[40:42]
Joe Budden
Play a little bit of it.
[40:44]
Flip
That was cool.
[40:45]
Joe Budden
A little bit of it. That's the one with jelly rolls on the hook, right?
[40:47]
Flip
Yeah, I. I didn't. I didn't hate that. And Charlotte RIP Here. I got you. I got you for.
[40:53]
Ish
You got it.
[40:53]
Joe Budden
Okay. For free. You can tell he ain't never had the aux.
[40:56]
Flip
You know what I mean?
[40:56]
Joe Budden
You could tell at the party. Never said.
[41:00]
Ish
Exactly opposite.
[41:04]
Joe Budden
No, I know I can't do.
[41:07]
Ish
I'm not mad at this.
[41:08]
Parks
Sharks ain't always in the water. Thieves ain't always in the night. God ain't always at the altar.
[41:23]
Flip
I don't know if I would have started with the H. I don't know if I would have started with the hook.
[41:29]
Joe Budden
Definitely should have started. Sound like he made this in the same session as this sound like the song he made before. He made How To Love of. This sound like something that should have been. This sound like something that he should have sent that he maybe sent to M on the Recovery album, like. But a bad version of it. And he put out an album that I thought had recovery vibes. I don't remember the name of it. Rebirth. This sound like something that was left on the cutting room floor of that project. But I'm going to rely on the Jelly Roll. The Jelly Roll feature.
[42:19]
Ish
That's. That's literally a lot of these records. I can. I'm listening to them.
[42:23]
Parks
I'm like, okay.
[42:23]
Ish
This sound like it was Left over from here. Sounds like it was left over from there.
[42:28]
Joe Budden
And what track are we on?
[42:30]
Flip
That was five, maybe six.
[42:31]
Mel
We skipped four.
[42:33]
Ish
We skipped. We skipped. That was the big X record to me.
[42:36]
Joe Budden
To me listening to it this morning. And again, this is off a couple of listens because I did let it play just to make sure. It was slowly becoming painfully obvious that this was not the same Wayne.
[42:52]
Ish
See that I disagree with that.
[42:55]
Flip
I have a different stance. This is not the same Wayne. Team.
[42:59]
Ish
Yes.
[42:59]
Flip
Is what I got from it.
[43:01]
Ish
He's rapping. It's still the same Wayne.
[43:03]
Joe Budden
It's not the same Wayne.
[43:04]
Parks
If you don't have the team, you're not the same.
[43:06]
Joe Budden
100%. Your team is you. The team was myself. I was getting to that. But this is not the same Wayne. That makes you question why is it not the same Wayne? This sounds like who the is around him.
[43:21]
Ish
Yeah.
[43:21]
Joe Budden
Yeah, but I came on here and made that point before you did. This sounds like who is this? Is the engineer still managing him?
[43:28]
Flip
He may be.
[43:29]
Joe Budden
I don't.
[43:29]
Ish
I don't even know.
[43:30]
Flip
I'm not sure. I'm. I'm assuming so, cuz that was only a couple months ago.
[43:33]
Joe Budden
And that's disappointing, right? Even with the Kendrick and TDE split, boy, did they lay a foundation for how the split looks when it went well. Right?
[43:43]
Ish
Yeah.
[43:44]
Joe Budden
Hey, I'm gonna still be around. I'm gonna still tweet your shit. I'm at the shows. Shit. Top still got me my tickets. Damn near like it's painfully obvious. There's no Mac, there's no baby, there's no I don't care that Mannie Fresh is on there at the end for Namesake. There's no Mannie Fresh, there's no Drake, there's no Nicky. Nobody's walking through that door. It is just God level rapping, Wayne. Unfortunately, rap is 2% of rats. That's a fact. Okay, see, because that's what scared me too. At this point in the album. Well, as it continues, I didn't hear like a proper song at all. I didn't hear a proper song with regards to format, format, arranging, topic, concept, cohesiveness. I hear amazing verses for the most part. Part slapped over.
[44:44]
Flip
Then we get to this. We get to this travesty.
[44:47]
Joe Budden
Oh, please stop. Please stop. Please stop, please stop. I have to prepare for this. This is so bad.
[44:54]
Mel
What's that? Like that?
[44:55]
Joe Budden
This is so bad.
[44:55]
Jeremy Hecht
This is really.
[44:58]
Joe Budden
This is a song called Band from New Orleans. It sound like they chased that Mel.
[45:01]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[45:02]
Joe Budden
Banned from. From it's a play on a song called Bant from tv. That's a hip hop song. It's a hip hop classic.
[45:09]
Jeremy Hecht
You guys are hilarious.
[45:10]
Flip
Featuring.
[45:11]
Joe Budden
Featuring Big Pun, Nature Cam Styles. Styles.
[45:18]
Flip
An absolute classic.
[45:20]
Jeremy Hecht
I might have heard.
[45:21]
Joe Budden
We still don't know. Well now we have to play a little bit. We still don't know who had the best verse from this song.
[45:26]
Flip
Still 30 years later.
[45:28]
Parks
Yeah, 25 years.
[45:29]
Ish
Years.
[45:29]
Flip
It's whatever.
[45:29]
Joe Budden
And Lil Wayne 30 is. Is a hip hop guy. For real. And a skateboarder. But he respects what band from TV is he.
[45:39]
Ish
He did the band from TV freestyle on the mixtape and killed it.
[45:42]
Joe Budden
Why he decided to do Ban from no with that horrendous beat flip. Hey, yo, yo.
[45:50]
Mel
What the is going on, DJ D?
[45:52]
Joe Budden
Oh, I got you all my is mixtape. I know, man. Okay. Oh, this is a mixtape too. Oh, there we go. I keep street tails choking like I'm free well going to state holding your.
[46:20]
H
Fate in the palm of my hand.
[46:21]
Ish
Blow you away like it's forming a.
[46:23]
Joe Budden
Plan I gotta call it like I see it talking how I be it walking my walk thumb down all defeated Cause I'm sooner be up give me room watch me heat up try to stick me like I do Loua follow the leader let's go name let's go quick just for the non believers I get with my father's features Puff heavily see me at 61 way above 70.
[46:50]
Parks
Catch me in SP.
[46:51]
Joe Budden
You said that like it was brolic Will knock you out, Nate. But in the song it don't even.
[46:56]
Ish
Matter it don't matter.
[46:56]
Joe Budden
See me at six' one where your bucks at?
[47:02]
Ish
Queen's Day.
[47:05]
Joe Budden
98 live no replay make.
[47:07]
Ish
It seem easy.
[47:13]
Joe Budden
Champagne enough? This might be the best. This might be the best arranged lineup in a posse cut.
[47:20]
Flip
Yeah, not mad at that.
[47:22]
Joe Budden
They smoked who went first, second, third, fourth and fifth. They absolutely smoked that. Anyway, back to trashing. Yeah yeah.
[47:30]
Ish
Now when it goes back to back.
[47:31]
Joe Budden
Give a little bit.
[47:32]
Flip
We go back to the back of the club.
[47:33]
Mel
You know what I mean?
[47:34]
Flip
You can really hear it. You know what I mean?
[47:41]
H
Cocaine lighter the rope chain brighter the choke chain tighter the close ring sniper the dope game lifer her throat game nicer the propane lighter money old like biting I walk around like King Tuck Got it out the mud I cleaned up I'm blinged up shirt off I'm inked up don't drink once the pink punch she drink nuts she eat dick I bring lunch say she bout that action I'm a till she Screamed Curry.
[48:02]
Mel
Wait, hold on. Okay, wait. That was fire, but not the beat. The verse, what he was saying was hot.
[48:09]
Ish
The verse is a fire.
[48:10]
Mel
And he did say that saying was hot. But that.
[48:12]
Joe Budden
What?
[48:13]
Mel
What that Was that an 800? Wait, that came in. What the. Who put that in there?
[48:17]
Joe Budden
This sounds like. So far in the project, this sounds like somebody that went to jail, came home from do a 30 rose constantly and came out to place these verses. This is like. This is so wait, though.
[48:36]
Mel
If he's doing elite rapping and then just the arrangements of the beat, we can't take anything away from him.
[48:42]
Joe Budden
Yes, you can.
[48:45]
Ish
You absolutely can.
[48:46]
Joe Budden
It all falls on the rapper. If your publicist does a bad job, it falls on the rapper. If the A and R does a bad job, if the producer does a bad job, if the marketing team, if the video is what, whack. If the director sucked, if your team is trash, it all falls on the right.
[48:59]
Mel
That rapping, though, gave me hope.
[49:00]
Joe Budden
No, nobody said, yo, Nas pick bad beats because his A and R just. They said Nas picks bad beats. It always falls that. Yeah, I thought it wasn't fair either.
[49:11]
Flip
It's a little fair.
[49:12]
Mel
That form of rapping of how he sounds give me hope that he can put out great music. It's still potential. It's not.
[49:19]
Joe Budden
He.
[49:19]
Mel
I don't feel that it's over by hearing him rap like that. It's not like, damn, it's over, but when you hear some other guys, I agree with you. So he still. He's still giving me hope. Like, okay, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna hear Joe podcast. I'm gonna read the comments, and I'm going to show them. That's what that gives me.
[49:33]
Parks
Go find me one more flip.
[49:35]
Joe Budden
Well, that's why podcasting is great, because we get to hear you guys review in real time. So cool that you feel like that after track eight.
[49:48]
Parks
All of the stuff that we.
[49:49]
Joe Budden
As respectful as we can.
[49:50]
Mel
No, we are. We are, but I.
[49:51]
Joe Budden
But that we're trying to have all the grace for an icon, a legend, and a great.
[49:59]
Mel
So can you play the bad shit then, Joe?
[50:01]
Flip
Well, I don't want to.
[50:03]
Joe Budden
It just keeps going.
[50:04]
Mel
Can you play the bad shit, Joe? So you can.
[50:06]
Ish
So here's the thing. Clip.
[50:07]
Joe Budden
And I'm not trying to convince you that it's bad.
[50:08]
Mel
No, no, I value what you say, but I just want to hear like.
[50:11]
Ish
Yeah, but look, you saying the bad shit, right? Like, again, he don't. Wayne can rap.
[50:17]
Joe Budden
Rap.
[50:17]
Ish
We know that. There's no question. No debate. But if you're rapping at a high level and the beat is still bad, it makes for a bad song. It makes for a bad listen.
[50:26]
Parks
And another thing, it ain't even just the beats.
[50:28]
Joe Budden
You could tell he can't make a hook no more.
[50:31]
Mel
Okay.
[50:31]
Parks
Or he just needed help or.
[50:33]
Joe Budden
Or he had a lot of help.
[50:34]
Parks
Your team. Your team. That goes back to team.
[50:37]
Joe Budden
It ain't a bunch of good hooks on here either. No, sorry.
[50:41]
Flip
I mean, but Bono and Jelly Roll, like, it's not like it's people that can't make hooks.
[50:46]
Ish
Go back to his discography. Go back to some of his. Out where his hooks were either features or samples.
[50:52]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[50:54]
Ish
He ain't been hooked, man.
[50:56]
Jeremy Hecht
Does this sound rushed to you guys?
[50:58]
Ish
Not like.
[50:59]
Jeremy Hecht
No rushed or like lazy.
[51:02]
Flip
I don't think it's lazy. I think it's lazy. I think it's just bad production, essentially.
[51:06]
Joe Budden
I think there's a. Because I see your point. There's a huge dip in quality from Go DJ and Miss Officer Choruses where you could tell there's help or the sample or even when the beat just goes something you forgot.
[51:21]
Mel
Bitches love me.
[51:21]
Ish
That's all. The sample.
[51:23]
Joe Budden
A milli. Even to what is happening on this project, there's a huge dip in quality. And again, if you skimmed it on the beats and you skimmed it on a producer, then how could you rely on. On your vocal sample to carry the chorus? If we have a problem with the beat, how could you rely on no vocals and letting your beat rock and that being your chorus, if the beat.
[51:50]
Flip
Is whack, it's not going to be a pleasant listen.
[51:52]
Ish
That's it. And the other thing is these records are too long and I. I hate that.
[51:56]
Joe Budden
I mean, the album is too long.
[51:57]
Ish
But look at the. Look at the list.
[51:58]
Mel
Wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought we wanted long.
[52:01]
Joe Budden
When they're good. Yeah.
[52:02]
Ish
No, I want it when they're good.
[52:04]
Joe Budden
I want him to stop.
[52:05]
Ish
I don't.
[52:07]
Joe Budden
I want him to stop.
[52:08]
Mel
I see you're trying to be respectful, and I see he's trying. I see it. And I'm watching you and like, I.
[52:13]
Ish
Wouldn'T be mad at. I wouldn't be mad.
[52:14]
Joe Budden
I told these two months ago when they told me Wayne was in his prime or whatever variation I remember.
[52:21]
Ish
We didn't say.
[52:22]
Joe Budden
Yeah, whatever. Var.
[52:24]
Ish
You right. You're right.
[52:24]
Flip
They sampled this when you're on a holiday.
[52:37]
Joe Budden
What?
[52:38]
Flip
How did that get allowed?
[52:40]
Ish
Who allowed?
[52:41]
Jeremy Hecht
Like, there's nobody checking on the pop charts.
[52:45]
Joe Budden
No, you don't if you didn't have money for beats, you don't have money for pop charts.
[52:52]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[52:53]
Ish
You think Wayne is relying on legacy at this point?
[52:55]
Jeremy Hecht
Like.
[52:55]
Ish
Like my name alone is enough to get it done.
[52:58]
Joe Budden
I think that Wayne much like Em and maybe, I don't know, a bunch of other Martians like this love rap so much. I think that he just love rap and is going to rap. I agree.
[53:15]
Flip
I will throw in the caveat. I think both those gentlemen specifically that you're mentioning, Em and Wayne don't leave the house.
[53:22]
Joe Budden
Yeah. They just want to rap.
[53:23]
Flip
You like you have to go live like a human being.
[53:27]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[53:27]
Flip
In order to make something that human beings are gonna play.
[53:29]
Joe Budden
Words and similes and boards and entendres. Who cares about the hook really?
[53:35]
Ish
You can't compare them. And because at least with M his last time, his last two projects were great.
[53:41]
Mel
Yeah.
[53:42]
Flip
He still makes good.
[53:43]
Ish
He's making, but he'll produce. You get what I'm saying? He has a team that gets with. That's what I'm saying. So I don't even compare the two. It sound like Wayne is just rapping. Rapping. Whatever you.
[53:53]
Flip
Whatever beat you put on, I got.
[53:54]
Ish
It, I got it. I can wrap.
[53:56]
Joe Budden
Wayne need to go and just.
[53:58]
Parks
You think it's a money thing.
[54:00]
Duke Dennis
1.
[54:00]
Joe Budden
I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I can't do that. I'm not going to do that.
[54:05]
Mel
Freeze. Is this self inflicted?
[54:07]
Joe Budden
Right.
[54:07]
Mel
Is this a self inflicted rule? Meaning that is he intentionally avoiding going around a team?
[54:13]
Joe Budden
Didn't Wayne Sales pose. I'm sorry, Flip. Didn't Wayne to.
[54:17]
Flip
I thought he got bred back 100 million from over there.
[54:21]
Joe Budden
I think Lil Wayne should have a lot of money.
[54:23]
Flip
I think that he's got.
[54:23]
Joe Budden
Especially if he got all the people that was taking some of the money.
[54:27]
Flip
I don't think he's okay.
[54:28]
Joe Budden
So.
[54:28]
Mel
All right. So the reason why he's by himself is because people were robbing him. According.
[54:33]
Joe Budden
I don't know that. I don't know that business.
[54:34]
Flip
And to be clear, if you got Big X Plug, who's hot right now? You got Jelly Roll, you got Big Sean, you got Bono, you got Clef and the Opera dude. Like this wasn't the cheapest of albums. I mean, I'm sure it's a lot of this comes on favor and strength.
[54:48]
Parks
I was about to say.
[54:48]
Flip
Yeah, I don't know him, but still Bono. I don't know if Bono's just like.
[54:52]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, I'll give You a joint.
[54:53]
Parks
Nah, I disagree.
[54:55]
Joe Budden
Skip Bayless house. Yeah, he definitely rolled over, skateboarded over the Bono's.
[55:00]
Ish
Yeah. Yeah.
[55:01]
Joe Budden
Maybe you left Skip Bayless.
[55:03]
Parks
And I think Bono is at a point where I don't got to do it for no money. I'm doing it cuz I with you or cuz I. I think I'm a fan of yours.
[55:11]
Flip
I think that you're taking hip hop ethics and mentality and applying them to generational pop stars that maybe Bono would feel that way. But I don't know that whoever runs Bono's business feels that way.
[55:24]
Joe Budden
If y' all wanted Bono and he was charging you more than was in your budget, but you had it personally, would you pay for it personally if.
[55:31]
Flip
The record was absolutely fire? Yeah.
[55:33]
Joe Budden
In this case, this record, No, I.
[55:35]
Flip
Would not pay a dime for this record. I would say Bono, thank you, but.
[55:37]
Joe Budden
No, thank you, not for that record. Also, if Bono sent over something that wasn't heat, would you tell Bono to. Yo, big dog.
[55:44]
Flip
Hey, Bono, why don't you let me come? I'mma fly up to you and let's. Let's work on this. It's a good start. It's a good start.
[55:49]
Joe Budden
I'm not telling Bono that I'm.
[55:51]
Flip
Oh, no. It's a good start. Bottom. I'm coming with you.
[55:54]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[55:54]
Flip
Help bottle get there.
[55:55]
Joe Budden
I've been in the studio with and they did some trash and we just nodded our heads. All of me webbing it like, hey, all right, thanks, Joe. Yo came through. You laced us.
[56:06]
Ish
That's what it sound like.
[56:09]
Joe Budden
Coming out the bigs, yo, the bigs.
[56:14]
Jeremy Hecht
Anyway, Parks, can you play a little bit of the Bono one?
[56:16]
Mel
I don't want to, but just a second.
[56:17]
Joe Budden
Look, what you want to hear.
[56:18]
Jeremy Hecht
I. I want to hear how bad it is that Parks really doesn't play it.
[56:23]
Ish
You might actually like it.
[56:24]
Joe Budden
She might cry.
[56:26]
Jeremy Hecht
I do cry for everything.
[56:27]
Joe Budden
These are the days.
[56:31]
H
These are the days.
[56:35]
Jeremy Hecht
I don't hate it.
[56:35]
Joe Budden
I threw something.
[56:47]
Flip
I don't even like what they did to Bono's voice on here.
[56:50]
Jeremy Hecht
Like, why he doesn't sound Bono.
[56:52]
Flip
He don't sound Bono at all. Like, crank the tune up on Bono.
[56:55]
Joe Budden
They couldn't afford Bono engineer.
[56:58]
Flip
I'm sure not.
[57:00]
Joe Budden
No. This is some hip hop rap touching Bono vocals.
[57:04]
Jeremy Hecht
I'm surprised. So if Bono heard it, he approved that.
[57:09]
Flip
Bono's like 60, 70.
[57:12]
Joe Budden
Still hear things. We don't know nothing about this.
[57:17]
Flip
No, he might have been on some. Oh, that sounds like some cool hip hop. Yeah, go ahead. You know what I Mean, like, it.
[57:23]
Joe Budden
Sound like Wayne said the boss him. Yo, do you write like. I think me and you could just pin this. Pin this. It just is no writer. Jy just said the rappers need songwriters, and I agree.
[57:37]
Flip
I feel like they might have took Bono's vocal off of him and edge on the guitar and put that over a beat and was like, no, that works.
[57:44]
Ish
Featuring.
[57:45]
Flip
Yeah, I don't think Bono was getting busy over this production, but I could be wrong. This don't sound like a beatbot was gonna be in the studio picking.
[57:54]
Joe Budden
If I'm Wayne, I'm on the first thing to Canada. Y' all sitting there being cute. Hey, you're not wrong enough with his cute sister. Niggas is on.
[58:12]
Ish
Hey, and that works for both of them.
[58:14]
Joe Budden
If I'm wheezy ass, I'm headed to fucking Toronto, nigga.
[58:18]
Ish
Next time me and this boy.
[58:20]
Joe Budden
Look, next stop, we gotta sit down. Queens. Oh, yeah, for sure. Lil mama pulling right up the Queens.
[58:26]
Ish
Let's go, Lil Mama.
[58:28]
Joe Budden
It's time again, y' all. I can't be left to my own devices in the studio. Coming up with this. I'm starting a group chat again.
[58:35]
Parks
And I hate to say Aubrey Nick. It would benefit every party involved.
[58:40]
Joe Budden
Yeah, well, that's where right.
[58:42]
Parks
Right now.
[58:43]
Joe Budden
That's where podcast theories can really get fun lit.
[58:47]
Parks
This I'm up.
[58:48]
Flip
I at least would like him to just say, hey, Manny, just let's do one together.
[58:54]
Joe Budden
Yo, I rather him go.
[58:56]
Flip
Yeah, a whole joint.
[58:58]
Joe Budden
Go. Go get Andre's piano book bag and just walk around, man. It's over, dog.
[59:05]
Ish
It's not. You know it's not.
[59:06]
Joe Budden
It is over. Enough of this hot. Y' all been giving me what I.
[59:10]
Ish
What I take it is a rap where I'm.
[59:12]
Flip
At least we have to take the L today a little bit.
[59:14]
Joe Budden
No, no, no.
[59:14]
Flip
I'm just saying he forecasted it.
[59:16]
Ish
Where I'm at with Wayne is after this project is two things. And one is. One is outside of just Wayne. It's a hip hop thing.
[59:23]
Joe Budden
But I was ass. The is going on.
[59:27]
Flip
Carter 4 wasn't the greatest.
[59:30]
Ish
I'm not doing that. And personally, I like this better than Carter 4 5. But I'm cool with Wayne just giving me features at this point.
[59:39]
Flip
That part.
[59:40]
Ish
So you agree because somebody else is doing.
[59:42]
Flip
Yeah.
[59:42]
Ish
Taking the be.
[59:43]
Joe Budden
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[59:44]
Ish
Give me a feature.
[59:45]
Joe Budden
When I say he should sit down for a second, I ain't going to do that neither.
[59:48]
Mel
He sat down for a second.
[59:50]
Parks
I ain't going to do that cuz I Heard the level of rapping that he rapping at. Yeah, I just think that like y' all saying he need to go get with the team. I, I, I don't see how Drake is not a feature on this project. It might be something personal, but I don't see how Drake theories or Nikki is not doing that day next project.
[60:08]
Mel
They're not like us on the stage. He did that act like he didn't know what it was about.
[60:13]
Parks
You get what I'm saying?
[60:13]
Joe Budden
That's the thing.
[60:14]
Parks
You gotta go get Nicki.
[60:15]
Joe Budden
If I'm Drake, Jake like and I see the phone and it's Wayne, I ain't gonna lie.
[60:24]
Parks
You have to answer the phone.
[60:25]
Joe Budden
We don't even.
[60:26]
Ish
You got, you got to, you have.
[60:27]
Parks
To answer the phone.
[60:28]
Mel
Not if you want to stay.
[60:29]
Parks
I don't give a what happen you. We have a conversation to have, but you got to answer the phone.
[60:36]
Mel
Not really is.
[60:37]
Joe Budden
What are you talking about?
[60:38]
Ish
You said got to answer the phone. Some of your OG what obligations did that you obligated. Like in my opinion, he owes it to him.
[60:47]
Mel
Some of your OGs got to be sat down, bro.
[60:49]
Parks
And that's why you got a conversation.
[60:51]
Mel
Some of your OGs get out of.
[60:52]
Joe Budden
Hand suing the building that you let jerk you around. I don't have time for the hootenanny.
[60:58]
Parks
Nah, that's not true.
[60:58]
Joe Budden
We got a. I do not have time.
[61:00]
Parks
We have a personal relationship.
[61:01]
Joe Budden
Never that.
[61:02]
Ish
What if we don't?
[61:02]
Joe Budden
Not right now.
[61:03]
Ish
What if we don't go out? Hold on.
[61:04]
Joe Budden
I don't agree with that. Not right now.
[61:06]
Ish
No, no, no, no.
[61:07]
Mel
I'm just changed it.
[61:07]
Ish
I'm just asking.
[61:08]
Joe Budden
All right, so hold up. Freeze. Since you with him, y' all played out for me. Maybe I'm being closed minded.
[61:13]
Jeremy Hecht
He answers role play.
[61:16]
Joe Budden
Yeah, yeah. Please. You could be who you want to be.
[61:18]
Parks
It don't matter.
[61:19]
Joe Budden
All right, it's your idea. So you be Drake, okay? No, no, he's with Wayne. You be Wayne since you dropped your idea and you be Drake.
[61:25]
Flip
Yeah, I think it's better if it's the other way around, but.
[61:26]
Joe Budden
All right, so then you be Drake. You Drake.
[61:28]
Mel
Y. Yo, listen man. How you doing?
[61:31]
Joe Budden
No, stop.
[61:34]
Mel
Hey, stop, stop.
[61:35]
Joe Budden
Hey, don't, don't step on it.
[61:37]
Mel
Don't step on it.
[61:38]
Joe Budden
I'm not stepping on it. You don't have two seconds for.
[61:45]
Mel
If you get straight to it, then if it comes off.
[61:48]
Parks
I agree. I agree.
[61:48]
Joe Budden
Go ahead. Shut up.
[61:49]
Ish
This come off away too though.
[61:50]
Joe Budden
Yeah. This is nuts.
[61:51]
Parks
I know though.
[61:51]
Joe Budden
You Getting hung up.
[61:52]
Mel
What's up? How you doing?
[61:53]
Ish
We ain't cool like that. You calling me. Yo, what's good, man? What's all right.
[61:57]
Mel
Hey, yo, you know, it's time for us to get back in the studio, man. What you doing, man? I need you, man. We got to get back together like the old days, man. Bed rock you Bedrock. I said Bedrock. Let me it up me future on the phone. I want that good cush. I need that. Yeah, yeah. I mean that.
[62:20]
Ish
No, no, no.
[62:20]
Mel
Come on, Drizzy.
[62:21]
Ish
All right, cool. It's gonna be Wayne.
[62:22]
Joe Budden
Go ahead.
[62:22]
Parks
Yeah, you.
[62:24]
Mel
Yo, what's good with you? What you mean? Long time.
[62:30]
Parks
How's little man?
[62:31]
Mel
Hey, boy, what's up? What we doing?
[62:32]
Parks
You know what's going on, yo, starting a new project. Think it'll be valuable if both of us could get together in the studio again. I hollered at Nikki already. I hollered at Khaled already. I think we got some magic that we could potentially get together and meet.
[62:46]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[62:47]
Mel
You know, wheezy, let me try this.
[62:51]
Joe Budden
Let me try this another way for you gentlemen. When is the last time y' all have spoken artists? I know you spoke to one recently and you probably have, too. So what are y' all doing?
[63:04]
Mel
I don't have a relationship unless they're in the midst of doing something on a project. They're very rushy. But when there's downtime, you call niggas.
[63:11]
Parks
Have conversations, ask about your family for a long time.
[63:15]
Joe Budden
He might have to drive straight to J. Prince house. He might have to skip trick. He might have to talk.
[63:23]
Mel
So we hold on.
[63:23]
Joe Budden
He got to go a different way.
[63:26]
Mel
Are we sure that there's internal conflict between them two?
[63:28]
Joe Budden
No, we don't know anything because it's lucrative.
[63:32]
Mel
Well, when you talk, a lot of be hitting the head on the nail. I don't know what you. You be throwing out there and they be coming out.
[63:38]
Joe Budden
Oh, no. If I throw the real that I think out there, it wouldn't be a pod. It would be total chaos out there. If I. I just try to hint around the I be.
[63:47]
Mel
Yeah, but your hint.
[63:48]
Joe Budden
I can't say what I think your.
[63:49]
Mel
Hints be hitting on the nose.
[63:50]
Joe Budden
What I think is that f gonna definitely crazy.
[63:55]
Mel
But how you gonna say that when. When Drake, how you gonna say that? Listen, I don't think when we found.
[64:00]
Joe Budden
Out that.
[64:02]
Mel
Drake and Kendrick, man, that.
[64:05]
Joe Budden
He that girl when I was listening.
[64:07]
Mel
How we gonna say that when.
[64:08]
Joe Budden
When.
[64:09]
Mel
When we found out that Drake and Kendrick may have had a conversation before all those records came out. So what I'm saying is that we wouldn't think that after how crazy it got. I wouldn't think that that nigga's made a call. I wouldn't think that.
[64:22]
Parks
I would.
[64:22]
Flip
I think that's part of why she got crazy.
[64:24]
Mel
No, because if I make a call to you.
[64:26]
Flip
If you make a call and then.
[64:27]
Joe Budden
You do the thing that we don't.
[64:28]
Flip
Discuss on the phone now. It's okay.
[64:30]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[64:31]
Ish
You. I think this up.
[64:36]
Mel
Okay?
[64:36]
Joe Budden
And we shouldn't make this about Drake. If I were Wayne, I got you, man.
[64:42]
Parks
I would go get the whole team.
[64:44]
Joe Budden
And we still ain't playing all of Tiger. Give me a little dose.
[64:50]
Mel
Go find Gutter.
[64:51]
Joe Budden
Gutter.
[64:51]
Mel
That's my man. He with him?
[64:53]
Ish
He with him.
[64:54]
Joe Budden
I don't know if Tiger answer.
[64:56]
Ish
Tiger's on tour with him. Tiger's. He got Tiger opening the tour.
[64:59]
Joe Budden
Okay, so now. All right.
[65:00]
Ish
So you can make a song drink.
[65:03]
Joe Budden
Tiger has to make me a B.
[65:04]
Parks
Tiger makes songs, bro.
[65:06]
Joe Budden
Tiger may have to make me a bachelor.
[65:10]
Ish
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop for a second.
[65:11]
Parks
Whatever you want to say, I'm going.
[65:13]
Mel
No, no, no, no, no.
[65:14]
Ish
Like, let's pause that conversation.
[65:15]
Joe Budden
Stop.
[65:16]
Ish
Yeah, go, go.
[65:17]
Flip
That's. That's all you need to really hear.
[65:19]
Jeremy Hecht
From the beginning of a. Oh, I saw that. Somebody screaming. That's an elephant braying. Oh.
[65:57]
Ish
Yeah, that was the elephant.
[65:59]
Flip
Yeah. Lynn Manuel. What's the name?
[66:02]
Jeremy Hecht
Miranda.
[66:02]
Flip
Miranda. Yeah.
[66:03]
Jeremy Hecht
He's the elephant in the song he produced.
[66:05]
Ish
He produced.
[66:07]
Jeremy Hecht
Sounds like it. That sounds like something from Hamilton.
[66:10]
H
That is jumbo Big face.
[66:13]
Joe Budden
How do you involve to this, bro?
[66:16]
Ish
This one I knew. This one I said, okay.
[66:19]
Joe Budden
Oh, no, this kingdom car is still going down. He ain't doing no.
[66:24]
Ish
But this one I knew, though. Oh, yeah, this ain't it.
[66:29]
Joe Budden
I would like to see Wayne go out like three stacks as opposed to this.
[66:33]
Flip
I wish I would take a Flute Wayne album over this harmonica.
[66:42]
Parks
Say you could.
[66:44]
Joe Budden
Or I would like to see him do a Jim Jones, like, step back and just be like the mentor to the youth that's just popping up on a rob 49 record.
[66:56]
Flip
Time out. Jim Jones is still dropping records all the time.
[66:58]
Ish
And they be whole album.
[66:59]
Joe Budden
Good.
[67:00]
Flip
They be fire. Yeah.
[67:01]
Joe Budden
Well, cuz Jim could pick a beat, so it don't even matter what he really doing on there. And he did improve his rapping. Yep.
[67:07]
Flip
And he's going to heat makers. He's going to. I feel like the person that brought him in. Like, that's why I said, Manny fresh. Like, go To.
[67:13]
Joe Budden
That's the problem with this Wayne should. We shouldn't be having a Jim Jones. We shouldn't be able to get to Jim Jones in a way talk.
[67:20]
Flip
Yeah.
[67:21]
Joe Budden
Respectfully. Yeah. Like he's just bringing himself never to me cuz I was there for it. Like I know what time it is with. With this man. If he get angry enough and this. The situation is right. But what up do.
[67:35]
Ish
He could always rap.
[67:36]
Joe Budden
We.
[67:36]
Ish
Nobody could not. We not even knock. It's not about the rapping ability on here.
[67:40]
Flip
No, not at all. It's just really bad production.
[67:42]
Joe Budden
Really.
[67:46]
Flip
After that, I don't know how much worse I can get.
[67:48]
Joe Budden
Oh, it gets worse.
[67:49]
Ish
Not than that. That was.
[67:50]
Joe Budden
That's the worst record on It Gets worse. I. That's the worst record. Love it.
[67:54]
H
When she wake up and I'm still behind her Got my pillows full of makeup I ain't mad but kind of she be playing mind games and I'm a masterminder I'm a sucker for love but I ain't pacifier But I can't deny you I'm a man on fire She's a man eater and I was just an appetizer but if she get.
[68:09]
Joe Budden
Out of hand like oh wait, listen. The appetizer. Turn this off. I feel all of this is from the how to Love session. Yeah, this is.
[68:28]
Ish
This is that. That. That era where he got into his I want to be a singer. Yeah.
[68:36]
Flip
Yeah.
[68:39]
Ish
It was over after the Elephant. But there still some fire on here though.
[68:43]
Mel
Y. Stop, stop.
[68:45]
Joe Budden
No, no, no.
[68:46]
Ish
Got. Let him play.
[68:47]
Joe Budden
Hold up, man.
[68:53]
Mel
Oh no. Y. W. No.
[68:56]
Joe Budden
All right. Yo, what's Wayne real name? Dwayne. Dwayne Carter. Yo. No, we knew him as Don't. No, no. He first came on the scene in 1990. What year was that? With the hot boys came 77 somewhere 8. No, no. All right, let me just let the chorus go then.
[69:21]
Ish
Absolutely not. You hit a lighter flick.
[69:33]
Mel
I don't agree.
[69:34]
Ish
I don't agree either either. Cuz he's still rapping at a high caliber.
[69:43]
Mel
Yo, this ain't.
[69:46]
Parks
This goes out.
[69:47]
Ish
This is not homies. This song dedicated.
[69:52]
Mel
Why you doing that?
[69:54]
Joe Budden
Hey, listen, man. I was there for Lollipop, man. I was there for the mixtape run. This shit we getting now. I wish I could burn this on a disc so I could roll my window down. Feel a cool breeze on a summer day.
[70:16]
Ish
Keep your memory alive. Like.
[70:23]
Joe Budden
We gonna get right back to you, man. I. You think I'm being too hard on him?
[70:32]
Ish
Yes, boys, yes. It's Not a good project, let's be clear. But it ain't like he can't rap no more. That's why I think you're being too hard on him.
[70:41]
Flip
Oh, he can still rap. I think he's still rap.
[70:44]
Joe Budden
Yo, y' all sound like a broken record with this rap. Okay, you can rap now. What?
[70:49]
Flip
Go get with.
[70:49]
Ish
Go get with the right team. That's it. If Wayne get. If this Wayne rapping this way gets with the right team, he can still make good music. That's why it's not over. This video was crazy.
[71:12]
Flip
There's a video for that song?
[71:14]
Joe Budden
Yes, yes. Parks. No, no, no, no.
[71:21]
Ish
You better not shoot. No, I want no videos. No, that's not true. There's some songs on here.
[71:27]
Flip
The Big X Plug record.
[71:28]
Ish
I like the 2 Chains record.
[71:29]
Flip
I do.
[71:30]
Ish
I like the.
[71:31]
Mel
Can we hear it?
[71:32]
Flip
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll play the change record.
[71:36]
Joe Budden
Yeah. And then.
[71:44]
Duke Dennis
Sugar.
[71:56]
Flip
Also sounds a little Big explosion.
[72:13]
Joe Budden
Change chains. Cleaned them up, though.
[72:14]
Flip
He did.
[72:15]
Joe Budden
He did.
[72:16]
Ish
With the. With the slow, lazy flow.
[72:19]
Flip
Yeah.
[72:20]
Joe Budden
Shout out to Wayne, man.
[72:21]
Flip
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[72:22]
Ish
Yeah.
[72:23]
Flip
Like I said, still legend of mine.
[72:25]
Joe Budden
And he announced the tour. Yeah, he announced the tour. He's going on tour.
[72:28]
Flip
That's what's up. That should be a tour.
[72:31]
Joe Budden
He should just.
[72:31]
Ish
He got big extra. He got no I'm Tiger, no Cap and Belly Gang, Cushington as openers. Not big.
[72:40]
Mel
Okay.
[72:42]
Parks
And you going, Right.
[72:43]
Ish
Well, the show I'm going to is just Wayne, this is.
[72:46]
Parks
Oh, no openers.
[72:47]
Ish
No, no openers.
[72:48]
Flip
It's soon.
[72:51]
Parks
The show.
[72:52]
Ish
Yeah, it's tonight.
[72:52]
Parks
Today.
[72:53]
Flip
Oh. Oh, you're going to get some live elephants. No, no, you're going to get the elephants.
[73:00]
Ish
No, no elephants, man. No elephants. I hope not.
[73:05]
Parks
He's definitely going to do some of the songs.
[73:07]
Ish
Yeah, he has to.
[73:08]
Joe Budden
And the. He ain't.
[73:09]
Ish
No, he not.
[73:10]
Joe Budden
Are you crazy? What song?
[73:12]
Parks
A new album just dropped.
[73:14]
Joe Budden
No, it didn't.
[73:16]
Parks
It didn't drop.
[73:17]
Joe Budden
No, it didn't. He got stuck. He is not going to acknowledge.
[73:19]
Ish
I don't think. I think. I don't think he's doing. He might do one or something, but I don't think. I don't think it's going to be.
[73:25]
Parks
I don't think he going to do the whole album. He does three. At least three.
[73:28]
Ish
I'll take that.
[73:29]
Parks
Oh, okay.
[73:29]
Mel
So the masses are on him now.
[73:31]
Ish
Yes, it's bad.
[73:32]
Joe Budden
It's bad. Masses are on quite a few people, some of whom I'm friendly with. They should. Few people.
[73:39]
Ish
Yeah, I. I see somebody Else having a rough morning.
[73:42]
Flip
Oh, yeah.
[73:43]
Joe Budden
We going to get to it.
[73:43]
Flip
Okay.
[73:44]
Joe Budden
You know.
[73:45]
Mel
But you know what time it is, right?
[73:46]
Ish
What time is it?
[73:47]
Joe Budden
I'm trying to remember what the I was about to say. What was you talking about?
[73:50]
Flip
Waiting.
[73:54]
Joe Budden
I don't remember. Now it left me. All right, you know what time it is?
[73:58]
Mel
You know what time it is.
[73:59]
Joe Budden
Come on, tag team, back again.
[74:02]
Mel
Now it's time for our favorite part of the show.
[74:06]
Joe Budden
Prize picks.
[74:08]
Mel
Come in.
[74:09]
Joe Budden
All right, first of all, I want to shout out the entire company.
[74:16]
Ish
I saw. I saw.
[74:16]
Flip
They showed you a little time, huh?
[74:17]
Ish
I saw you.
[74:19]
Joe Budden
First things first.
[74:22]
Duke Dennis
Yo, that's crazy.
[74:23]
Joe Budden
Listen, let me tell y' all got a slice, huh? One day I' ma just come in here and cry. Listen, it's a nice little office they got up there. I went up there peeking around at the moldings.
[74:42]
Parks
It's a telltale.
[74:43]
Joe Budden
The moldings indoors will tell you something. And looked at some of their balcony plans out there at prize Biggs. Real good time. They had a watch party for game one.
[74:52]
Flip
Nice.
[74:54]
Joe Budden
Got to meet a lot of people at the company. They had a lot of company.
[74:59]
Flip
Okay.
[74:59]
Joe Budden
Yeah, they had.
[75:00]
Flip
So you were at the company party.
[75:01]
Joe Budden
Barry Atlanta, you were at the company party? Yeah, I guess you could say that. I guess I did go to the company party. Look at me. Look at me.
[75:11]
Flip
A good employee.
[75:14]
Ish
Old Joe would never.
[75:16]
Parks
Yes, they would. Yes, he was.
[75:20]
Joe Budden
Old Joe wouldn't have been. Wouldn't have had the opportunity. Hey, opportunity being there is halfway. You gotta. Gotta get through. Get through the door. We had a real good time over there. I didn't stay for the whole game. I didn't stay for the whole game, but I handed my phone to Ian and Po so they could lace me on the prize pick. Also, I won a couple dollars. Now, I put in for a lot of. Like, when I opened it, you were like, hey, play a thousand, win fifty thousand. I didn't hit for none of those, of course, but I did win a little three grand light.
[75:55]
Parks
Three to one.
[75:55]
Joe Budden
I won enough to make me inquire about when they would be returning to New Jersey, because I have a bit. I've gained an understanding. Understanding.
[76:07]
Parks
It's not as hard as you think.
[76:08]
Joe Budden
Right. I've gained the proper understanding. Yeah. He see prize picks and how it functions.
[76:14]
Ish
Sure, yeah. Yeah.
[76:15]
Joe Budden
Like I knew before, but.
[76:17]
Ish
But seeing it is a little different.
[76:19]
Joe Budden
During the game, it's different now. You see, anytime ran in Nashville or anywhere where prize picks was available, we went crazy. But I wasn't ever doing it during A game.
[76:29]
Flip
Yeah, boy.
[76:31]
Parks
Anxiety, ready, the rush, all that.
[76:33]
Flip
Yeah.
[76:34]
Joe Budden
The impulse pick. Yeah, the, the ebbs and flow of the game. When it's up, when it's oh my.
[76:42]
Parks
Second half, fourth quarter.
[76:43]
Joe Budden
Oh my Jesus, Mary and Joseph, man.
[76:46]
Ish
And see, that's just one game. Now imagine when it's you got players about four different games going.
[76:51]
Joe Budden
No, I understand. I've gained understanding.
[76:53]
Ish
Good.
[76:55]
Joe Budden
And boy, let me tell you welcome when it returns, they gonna get some money for me. But listen, for those that don't know, Prize Picks is the best place to turn your sports into your sports knowledge into real cash money. With millions of members, Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all really easy and simple to play. First, you have to have a phone. Let me. Let's not just assume people got phones in this economy.
[77:24]
Flip
You can go from the web, I think.
[77:26]
Joe Budden
Well, that's assuming people got wi fi. All right, if you got wi fi and a phone, all you have to do is pick more or less on at least two players for your chance to win. Now up to 2000 times your cash. So run your game all season long with prize picks. Okay, the Joe and Ish picks of the week. Let's go. We got Isaiah Hartenstein for more than 13 and a half half points and rebounds. We have Halliburton for more than 24 and a half points and assists. That's a good pick. Caruso for more than 15 points, rebounds and assists.
[78:04]
Flip
Okay.
[78:05]
Joe Budden
And Jalen Williams for more than two three pointers. I might switch Caruso and J and Jason Williams, maybe give Caruso three pointers.
[78:13]
Parks
And whatever it he might not have.
[78:16]
Joe Budden
Oh, got it, got it.
[78:17]
Parks
You see what I'm saying? You got to go about what they present.
[78:19]
Joe Budden
Got it, got it, got it. All right, so that's the Joe and Ish picks of the week. Good luck to all participants out there. If you download the prize picks app right this very second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly as you play your first $5 lineup. I repeat, if you download the app right this second and you're at a job that pays good money and you're a sports fan, I beg of you, use promo code JPP so we can all live good. I mean so you can get, so you can fit it over, we'll get you fifty dollars instantly when you play your first five dollar lineup. So good luck to all participants out there and run your game. Please run Yalls game.
[79:10]
Mel
Running up for him.
[79:11]
Joe Budden
Run your. Please.
[79:13]
Mel
Running it up for my boy.
[79:14]
Joe Budden
Wnba, the Stanley Cup Let me tell you something. I've been home.
[79:19]
Flip
Baseball ain't no joke too bas.
[79:22]
Ish
I told y' all baseball was my baseball.
[79:24]
Joe Budden
Stream farm. Both phones. Download the app. I've been home watching Connor McDavid highlights.
[79:34]
Flip
I don't know who.
[79:35]
Joe Budden
Of the Edmonton. Edmonton Oilers.
[79:37]
Flip
Okay. Hockey.
[79:40]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Apparently he's like the best player in hockey.
[79:43]
Flip
Okay.
[79:43]
Joe Budden
So they say. I didn't.
[79:44]
Flip
No, I don't watch hockey.
[79:46]
Joe Budden
He looks like Kyrie Irving.
[79:48]
Parks
What up? What up?
[79:49]
Joe Budden
With a stick on ice. Really? That's what it looks like.
[79:53]
Ish
He black?
[79:54]
Parks
No, no, his name Conor.
[79:57]
Joe Budden
He's not black.
[79:57]
Parks
I'm just waiting for a black person.
[79:59]
Joe Budden
To come to hockey. He looks like.
[80:01]
Parks
I'm talking about.
[80:02]
Joe Budden
Yeah, yeah, Real Kyrie on skates. He looks like. Like art on ice. Like, you could just watch him. It don't matter if you. I don't see how he's doing that on. On them shits with a stick and a bl. Four dudes around him that do some. He did some. He hit the puck between his legs behind his black. That's a black shit bong is like.
[80:24]
Ish
Yo, dog, who the is he?
[80:27]
Parks
That's a black.
[80:28]
Joe Budden
So I'm rooting for them now. Like a groupie. I'm such a groupie. That's why I don't get mad. When is groupies. Me too. I don't care. Stupid. Anyway. Listen, Wayne, stop. That's what I got. Please. I say that with all the respect that you could possibly have for who he is and who he's been and what he's meant for us and the people that he's raised out there. The classics he's given us. Like Wayne is Wayne. I just hate to see our legends.
[81:02]
Flip
I just say, go get with some good producers, man.
[81:04]
Parks
Word.
[81:05]
Ish
Stop naming these shits Carters.
[81:06]
Flip
That too.
[81:07]
Joe Budden
That too.
[81:08]
Flip
Yeah.
[81:08]
Ish
That's. That's really. Because you're pulling from equity of classics and a lot of people do that, you know, they. I think he. I think Wayne thinks he could just soar off of his name and it being a Carter, that people are just going to run and accept it.
[81:23]
Joe Budden
But. And don't say nothing that rhymes with Kendrick either.
[81:30]
Flip
Not if you want to have that phone call.
[81:33]
Joe Budden
Don't say nothing that could even be mistaken for that. I seen that little act stream when he was like, oh, buddy, buddy. But I think that was off the fake track list. Buddy. You did. You did the right thing. You did the right thing. That had been a shish kebab. Y' all can get quiet. I don't give a. I was trying.
[81:54]
Flip
To see where you're going.
[81:55]
Joe Budden
That would have been an absolute shishka cabal.
[81:58]
Flip
Oh, absolutely.
[81:58]
Joe Budden
That would have been just collecting young money stones out here. That would have been real bad. Y' all tried to soup that up before. Y' all tried y' all fans out of y' all ain't Y' all tried it anyway. Shout out to Wayne. Shout out to him. If I was Kendrick, I'd have went and had a drink after that album dropped like I went. I don't even know if Kendra drink then went to the local pub. I had to give me a little lemon drop. Hey, hey. Give me three lemon drops. Let's really get loose. Damn, man. What you ordered last night?
[82:35]
Parks
Have you had a lemon drop before?
[82:37]
Joe Budden
Who? Have I had a lemon?
[82:38]
Jeremy Hecht
No, Never had a lemon drop before. Why not? He got d Plenty of men order lemon drops.
[82:45]
Parks
Do they?
[82:46]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[82:46]
Ish
Yes.
[82:47]
Flip
Yeah.
[82:47]
Jeremy Hecht
As a shot.
[82:50]
Joe Budden
What is that? Yes, yes, yes.
[82:52]
Ish
Raspberry lemon drop.
[82:54]
Joe Budden
Lemon drops wasn't a thing when I was drinking.
[82:56]
Flip
Should I Lemon drop shots was a thing when I was drinking.
[82:58]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[82:58]
Mel
Yeah, they was a thing.
[82:59]
Flip
But now they're just a drink.
[83:00]
Ish
Now it's a drink.
[83:01]
Joe Budden
What did lemon drop do to you? Freeze.
[83:02]
Ish
Don't do that.
[83:03]
Joe Budden
Just ask. I'm not trying to get some loose.
[83:07]
Mel
It make you feel a little loosey.
[83:09]
Joe Budden
What you tell us.
[83:10]
Parks
Raspberry, too.
[83:11]
Flip
Ooh, the rise.
[83:12]
Ish
You get a little rise from the raz.
[83:13]
Mel
Tell us what to do to you.
[83:14]
Joe Budden
Freeze. No, it's just.
[83:15]
Ish
It's a good drink.
[83:16]
Mel
Open up your pores. Huh?
[83:20]
Parks
Open pores.
[83:22]
Ish
Nice little martini, man.
[83:23]
Joe Budden
Did they not?
[83:25]
Flip
It's a aphrodisiac.
[83:28]
Jeremy Hecht
Do you actually get it in the martini glass?
[83:30]
Flip
Yeah, you pinky up.
[83:32]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[83:32]
Mel
Yeah. He be like shadow clock.
[83:34]
Ish
Sugar on the rim.
[83:35]
Flip
You got cherry. A cherry in it.
[83:38]
Joe Budden
Such a sugar rim is. You keep talking and it get worse. Sugar on the rim.
[83:45]
Flip
You are a sugar rim. Ass, dude.
[83:48]
Joe Budden
Sugar rim. And the way to look at you and ask too, like sugar or salt.
[83:53]
Jeremy Hecht
No, there's no sugar on the rim.
[83:54]
Joe Budden
You tell them it's either it's what.
[83:56]
Mel
You had last night.
[83:56]
Flip
Giving me a picture.
[83:57]
Jeremy Hecht
Either a naked rim or it's a sugar rim with a lemon drop.
[84:00]
Mel
What you had last night to drink?
[84:01]
Joe Budden
Melon.
[84:01]
Jeremy Hecht
I had a flight of wine.
[84:04]
Joe Budden
You too?
[84:05]
Mel
Oh, you just had a bunch of wine?
[84:06]
Jeremy Hecht
Yes. There was a sommelier there, and he paired all of the corsets.
[84:10]
Ish
Somalian.
[84:13]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, so you a sommelier. And he paired all of the courses with wines.
[84:18]
Mel
What did you get drunk a little.
[84:20]
Flip
Bit reds or what?
[84:21]
Parks
Got it.
[84:21]
Joe Budden
Mel is that date.
[84:23]
Mel
I just want to ask Ish.
[84:24]
Parks
Why you making that if mel got drunk? 14 courses and a pair of wine. Of wine. You ask if Mel got drunk.
[84:32]
Ish
Mel was drunk.
[84:34]
Joe Budden
Mel get drunk here.
[84:35]
Parks
Mel could get drunk off here.
[84:37]
Mel
I'm a referring to the HR tag.
[84:42]
Joe Budden
I'm gonna refer to HR Drunk as hell up here. Question. Nicole.
[84:47]
Ish
She wanna come up.
[84:48]
Joe Budden
She wanna talk about.
[84:49]
Mel
Hey, you motherfuckers. You know what I did?
[84:53]
Parks
Somalia.
[84:54]
Mel
She's like, somalia. So the world, you know, you contribute.
[84:57]
Joe Budden
To how toxic the culture is up here. Yes, yes, yes.
[85:05]
Ish
That's why I love Mel.
[85:06]
Joe Budden
She don't give a fuck.
[85:07]
Mel
Mel don't get you respect that, man.
[85:11]
Joe Budden
So what do we got?
[85:13]
Parks
I have.
[85:13]
Joe Budden
I know all of y' all walked away on the break, but we was talking about whether we was tough enough to delve right into the DDG shit. And if we do, then we have to at least present the facts. There were a lot of them is why I'm saying this. It was a lot to keep up with if you weren't keeping up with it.
[85:28]
Mel
So did you just do an off the break expose? Nigga, don't do that, nigga. Hey, yo. We getting ready to talk about the ddg and Halle's situation was going on.
[85:39]
Joe Budden
That's. That's how we. But I learned that from flipping network. Wait. We don't do. We don't do that no more on the fifth wall. We don't do that no more.
[85:47]
Mel
Too many pocket watches.
[85:52]
Joe Budden
Pay the taxes.
[85:54]
Mel
Well, I'm good.
[85:54]
Joe Budden
Bam. No, but the year. The year started again.
[85:59]
Mel
The quarterly.
[86:00]
Joe Budden
Hey, hey, you. Y' all pay your quarterly. The year is June.
[86:05]
Mel
Pay your quarterly.
[86:06]
Joe Budden
My. My just got back to look. Looking. Okay.
[86:11]
Ish
That's.
[86:11]
Joe Budden
Oh, April, man was tough. Dead ass. N. Yeah, N. Them came back for.
[86:19]
Mel
Them came Cory. Them came back for what?
[86:23]
Joe Budden
Ian said this don't believe nothing I.
[86:26]
Ish
Say, but I'm being serious.
[86:27]
Mel
I'm finished. Them came after what they owed. Did you spend this. Them started taxing and all that with.
[86:34]
Jeremy Hecht
Me counting the water bottles.
[86:36]
Mel
Yeah, you can't even leave. All that leaving. Yeah, leave. They was encouraging me to leave so they could dox. Hey, y' all. Don't you got some from the network to do? Go ahead, boy. Enjoy yourself. It's all right.
[86:50]
Joe Budden
It's all right. Any.
[86:52]
Mel
You know he ain't gonna say nothing. Yeah, you know he gonna say.
[86:54]
Joe Budden
You.
[86:54]
Mel
You know his stone face. I told stone face face.
[86:58]
Joe Budden
Look at this.
[87:01]
Parks
You know I Think you full of.
[87:02]
Joe Budden
I know that.
[87:02]
Parks
Oh, okay.
[87:03]
Joe Budden
What's in your account right now?
[87:05]
Parks
What's in my bank account?
[87:06]
Ish
Yeah, which one?
[87:07]
Joe Budden
What's in that main? Oh, the one that the Chase card is attached to. You know the one.
[87:13]
Parks
Not nothing crazy.
[87:14]
Joe Budden
It's something in there.
[87:15]
Parks
Nothing crazy.
[87:16]
Ish
That's not the one.
[87:17]
Joe Budden
You got the new Yankee colorway rock my 15.
[87:22]
Mel
They about to play the red socks.
[87:24]
Joe Budden
Card is attached to the verse. Now you asking the question, how much is in that account? No, for real, that's my. That's my only question. That's true. But what's in that account? That's my only question.
[87:35]
Mel
He can't say.
[87:37]
Parks
Take a guess.
[87:37]
Joe Budden
Well, crazy is relative.
[87:39]
Parks
Oh, true, true, true.
[87:40]
Joe Budden
So it's us talking, Mike. Yeah, yeah. That definition of crazy. It's six figures in there. About 40 enough. You $5 away. Might have just took some out. So about $9 short. Short of six figures in there, stupid.
[87:55]
Ish
Yo, you said she was gonna tell me.
[87:56]
Parks
It's not six.
[87:58]
Joe Budden
It's healthy.
[87:59]
Parks
If it was six, I'll tell you, but it's five.
[88:00]
Mel
It's five.
[88:02]
Joe Budden
Yeah, he transferred some funds, move something.
[88:05]
Ish
Around a little bit.
[88:06]
Joe Budden
We know.
[88:06]
Ish
Me, we know this over here.
[88:08]
Joe Budden
When a break his leg or something, all he got time to do is check on his bank account and figure out more ways home looking this. Oh, word. I killed him in April.
[88:19]
Ish
Oh, you know what? I could put another colorway out.
[88:21]
Parks
That's the privilege. Niggas that could sit at home. I couldn't sit at home. I had to limp in here and put my boot up.
[88:27]
Joe Budden
You make this shit sound like Harriet Tubman or nothing. You make this shit.
[88:32]
Parks
You said nigga could sit at home and chill. I couldn't sit at home. I had to work.
[88:36]
Joe Budden
I was on construction. We moved to New Jersey so you could be closer to home.
[88:42]
Mel
Oh, no, you did not, nigga. No, you did not say. Are you fucking crazy?
[88:47]
Parks
Yo, you the gift.
[88:49]
Mel
You the gift.
[88:53]
Joe Budden
But he's included in. We all did. You guys. It don't matter. So what I'm saying is a fact.
[88:58]
Ish
No, it's not a fact.
[88:59]
Joe Budden
It is a fact.
[89:00]
Ish
No, we moved so you could be closing. It just so happen to work out for everybody.
[89:03]
Joe Budden
No, that's cap. That part is Cap. That is a lie.
[89:07]
Parks
If you could have found some super fly shit, which you could have for the same price, overlooking Long Island City and that beautiful water right there, that was an option for you. You didn't move to New Jersey for us.
[89:19]
Ish
Who are you talking to?
[89:25]
Joe Budden
What the Is he talking about if.
[89:26]
Parks
You could have moved to Manhattan?
[89:27]
Joe Budden
I comprehend. Well, okay. You don't think that me, you and Freeze, because this is from that era living in Jersey played any part in us moving the studio in Jersey?
[89:38]
Parks
I didn't say that at all.
[89:38]
Joe Budden
Parks had the luxury of being in his house for 39 years. From parks. Yeah, let's go to Jersey. Let that nigga hop in a car and go to Jersey. Jersey, then that's when we were stuck in it to the store. You wasn't always on time. Yeah, let's move to Jersey. Why would I do something great out the kindness of my heart? Y' all try to paint it as a Nah.
[89:57]
Ish
Cause you.
[89:57]
Parks
That's the kindness of your heart.
[90:04]
Joe Budden
Would you tell these. These record in front of a black drape and a brick wall. Hold up. Yo. Shut the up now, boy. Man, these record in front of some hospice looking. Look around. Look.
[90:19]
Parks
Keep going.
[90:20]
Mel
It's convenience. No, no, no, no.
[90:22]
Joe Budden
He full of.
[90:23]
Parks
You think you took away the black drapes in the. What was the picture?
[90:27]
Ish
Only dead men are free or some that you did that for us.
[90:30]
Joe Budden
Wait, us includes me? I'm not saying y' all excluding me going wrong.
[90:36]
Parks
Okay.
[90:36]
Joe Budden
Oh, y' all.
[90:37]
Parks
Oh.
[90:37]
Joe Budden
When I say us, y' all think I'm not first you said y' all not a part of.
[90:42]
Ish
You're not a part of.
[90:43]
Joe Budden
Y' all know us without y' all.
[90:44]
Parks
You didn't say.
[90:45]
Joe Budden
I didn't have to. It's still true. If I say to you I we moved to Jersey partly because of you, how is that false? We don't have to go be circular right now.
[90:54]
Ish
When did you say partly?
[90:55]
Parks
Never.
[90:56]
Joe Budden
All right, so take partly out boy is bad. Remove the jersey come to you.
[90:59]
Jeremy Hecht
He's a slippery little.
[91:00]
Joe Budden
I think it still applies.
[91:00]
Parks
Yeah.
[91:01]
Joe Budden
A sallow on because he won't fire at you. You already scared him for the his career to fire.
[91:08]
Parks
You try gas.
[91:09]
Joe Budden
I'm not that. So pick a side.
[91:12]
Parks
I hear.
[91:12]
Joe Budden
No, I'm talking. Come on. We supposed to be being serious. I'm in a great mood.
[91:18]
Ish
I can tell. I'm in a great mood.
[91:19]
Parks
I can tell when you start hearing.
[91:22]
Joe Budden
We have to be. We have to do the ddg.
[91:26]
Ish
All right.
[91:27]
Joe Budden
And it is serious. Serious on air.
[91:33]
Flip
Once these mic stop though.
[91:37]
Joe Budden
So. Because I know the largest room I've ever been in is the room for growth. Oh, I am going to pass this off to Mark, who's on the phone. Hey, hey, hey, Mark. Them days you call out boy.
[92:00]
Mel
Oh, man.
[92:01]
Joe Budden
So distinguished cast. We should review the facts objectively first and then insert our opinions.
[92:12]
Flip
That's how this goes. Yeah.
[92:14]
Joe Budden
Okay. On the break, we struggled with the facts.
[92:19]
Jeremy Hecht
So such a long time.
[92:21]
Joe Budden
We brought in none other than.
[92:23]
Flip
Yeah, we just don't do facts here.
[92:25]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[92:25]
Ish
That ain't our back.
[92:26]
Joe Budden
We're bad at facts.
[92:27]
Flip
Yeah.
[92:28]
Joe Budden
I mean, it's that I really should make a hire for that. But it's sad that we. That like, I deal in feelings. Facts, man. I want to get to how I feel about things. All right. Anyway, to help us along with facts, none other than Jeremy Hecht is in the building. Hecht, My second or third favorite white boy in the. In the content space. Jeremy, how you feeling?
[92:57]
Duke Dennis
I feel good to be top three, not one, not to number three in your white boy list.
[93:01]
Joe Budden
Here we go. Happy to have you here.
[93:04]
Duke Dennis
And thank you for throwing me into the most complex and difficult topic first to lay things out for you guys.
[93:09]
Joe Budden
I appreciate that. Well, no, that's not you. I let you get a pass on the Wayne topic.
[93:13]
Duke Dennis
You did, you did. And you know my. My esteemed love for Wayne, so I appreciate that.
[93:17]
Joe Budden
Exactly. And now here we are. So facts. Yeah.
[93:21]
Ish
Please give us the facts, Jim.
[93:23]
Duke Dennis
Okay, so let's lay it out. Pause. October 3, 2024, public breakup. They break up via Instagram, but said that they would remain, quote, best friends.
[93:33]
Joe Budden
Oh, that's always a lie.
[93:35]
Duke Dennis
A statement that didn't age incredibly well. They're going back and forth on social media, but then things heat up, of course. In March of 2025, DDG expresses that he's unable to see his son and that she's keeping Halo from him. Then Halle Bailey granted restraining order. This is May 13, 2025. She obtained a temporary restraining order against DDG, alleging physical, emotional and financial abuse, including an incident where she talked about and showed pictures of a chipped tooth and physical harm on her arms. So that was said to be a dispute in the car over, you know, their son was in the car. Car. She showed pictures. She obtained a restraining order. May 2025, custody and visitation. Bailey was granted temporary physical and legal custody of Halo. She proposed supervised weekly visits for ddg. I think it was like a few hours a week. And requested restrictions on him taking Halo outside of LA County. Now, at the same time, she's going to film a movie in Italy, and she basically wants to take Halo for months at a time to Italy. So that's what she's proposing. She's going to be in sole custody. Then DDG was silent about it. He was On Streamer University with Kai, we're not really sure how he feels. June 4th and 5th, 2025. DDG filed a restraining order against Bailey, alleging that she actually posed a psychological risk to Halo. He basically said she was unstable. She was unable to take care of a child she talked about. And then. And he provided text messages where it showcased her threatening her life, threatening suicide, threatening that her son wasn't gonna be around to see things. It was all kind of manic. And in those texts, she also accused DDG of sleeping with someone in Mexico. Hitting lala. With lala. Yes, fellow Streamer, definitely hitting lala.
[95:31]
Joe Budden
The fuck she doing? Mexico. Straight off my Streamer University hype. And we.
[95:37]
Ish
And you've been kind of.
[95:38]
Joe Budden
And you've been. You've been distant.
[95:40]
Duke Dennis
You've been distant.
[95:41]
Joe Budden
You've been distant at worst. I mean, at best. Listen. Gotta.
[95:47]
Ish
Lala.
[95:48]
Duke Dennis
Anyway, so La LA actually did. She confirmed in her words, that didn't happen. It didn't happen.
[95:54]
Joe Budden
Oh, she held.
[95:55]
Ish
She held it down.
[95:57]
Duke Dennis
And that's where we're at right now still.
[95:59]
Flip
Oh, yeah. Want to again?
[96:01]
Joe Budden
Oh, they got to again again.
[96:03]
Duke Dennis
Allegedly.
[96:04]
Mel
Allegedly. We can't.
[96:05]
Duke Dennis
But yeah. So that's where we're at right now. And he wants to prevent her from traveling out the country with Halo.
[96:12]
Joe Budden
Okay. The nature of the text messages that DDG released were very disturbing.
[96:18]
Ish
They were.
[96:19]
Joe Budden
And there was a lot of talk around the cause of those texts being sent. Was this postpartum him or was this a psycho girl?
[96:32]
Jeremy Hecht
Are there dates on the text?
[96:34]
Duke Dennis
Let me find them.
[96:35]
Parks
March of 2024.
[96:38]
Joe Budden
Okay, now, do we have enough facts to get into our feelings about this?
[96:46]
Flip
I think that's a pretty good outline, right?
[96:47]
Joe Budden
Pretty good.
[96:48]
Jeremy Hecht
That's a pretty good outline.
[96:49]
Joe Budden
Thank you, Jeremy.
[96:50]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, thank you.
[96:51]
Ish
Yeah.
[96:51]
Joe Budden
And feel free to stay for this in case you want to chime in. In on this tough topic. All right.
[96:55]
Duke Dennis
Okay, I'm here.
[96:57]
Joe Budden
All right, Flip, go to the kitchen on this tough topic. This topic right here. Flip, go ahead. Get out of here, man. Don't worry about this.
[97:06]
Parks
No, it's Flip.
[97:07]
Joe Budden
Going to stand.
[97:08]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, man.
[97:08]
Joe Budden
I have no idea what anybody's take is regarding this, so I'd love to hear it. I know. Mel. Mel.
[97:15]
Jeremy Hecht
I feel like the only reason why we know any the Of. Of this is because he is constantly online talking about it. And after the breakup, being completely disparaging of her making his claims, et cetera, et cetera. Also when he went on. When he started talking about the fact that she was, you know, preventing him from seeing Halo. He did this on his streaming platform with his millions of viewers creating like a hashtag, free Halo. What does that do? That encourages your audience to go to her and start bullying her without any of the facts other than the ones that you just presented, which are up for fucking debate. Whoever's right, whoever's wrong, it really is. It's gotten so fucking messy, nobody even knows. But my stance is. He has been. He see, he comes off as being so fucking wildly stressful to deal with after you've just had a baby. I'm just, I'm going to. I'm standing 10 toes down on Halle's side. I don't even have to have all the facts. The fact of the matter is she had a baby that's on a brand.
[98:33]
Joe Budden
Shocker. Yeah.
[98:34]
Jeremy Hecht
Plot twist with this because. Because that's just how I feel. Yeah. I just.
[98:39]
Flip
Some of your reasoning, maybe it all seems like messy shit to me.
[98:42]
Jeremy Hecht
It is very messy. But at the end of the day, you have a young girl who's trying to manage a career, manage a relationship, have a baby. And then, you know, there's debates on how long postpartum actually lasts, but it ain't six to eight weeks. It's a really long time for women to start feeling any semblance of normalcy. And she's in the public eye. She has a baby daddy who's going to the fucking world to get his. To get a sense of validation or to get them to agree with him. Like that is wildly stressful. So maybe she did have a manic, you know, episode where she's saying a bunch of fucked up things in text. Why is she being judged on her worst moments when she is in the most vulnerable fucking state? And that is why I'm going to be on her side. And also he wants to, he wants to file a restraining order.
[99:28]
Joe Budden
Child.
[99:28]
Jeremy Hecht
She filed one first. It was granted. She. She don't want to be around you. This is.
[99:33]
Joe Budden
Hold on.
[99:33]
Jeremy Hecht
This is the same motherfucker that went to her house, keeps going to her house unannounced, breaks into her house, takes a picture of her bed to let her know that he is inside your house and can get in your house whenever you want and then rips out the camera systems. How fucking safe does this girl feel?
[99:49]
Mel
There's a lot.
[99:51]
Joe Budden
Allegedly one thing.
[99:53]
Ish
His, his order was, what he filed was. Was so that she can't take the baby to Italy for that time. Like not trying to be around her or keep her away from him. It's just, I don't Want you to take my son. That's what he was following.
[100:06]
Mel
There's a lot of situations, Mel, when you don't take the text message serious that something end up happening to the child. We've seen that a lot of times, whether it's when it comes to domestic.
[100:16]
Ish
Issues, they say, oh, the signs were right there.
[100:18]
Mel
The signs were right there. So him filing this restraining order basically off of the text message that she's been sending him is the right move for him to do.
[100:27]
Joe Budden
I'd like to challenge a few of the things that you said.
[100:29]
Parks
Okay, go ahead.
[100:32]
Joe Budden
Who?
[100:32]
Mel
Mel?
[100:32]
Joe Budden
Yeah. In terms of weaponizing a fan base to bully you.
[100:41]
Flip
They're both doing that.
[100:42]
Parks
They both are doing it.
[100:44]
Jeremy Hecht
I don't see how she's done it.
[100:45]
Joe Budden
We let you get a Runway to get all of your off. Let's have the conversation without us triggering one another, because I'm not trying to trigger nobody, and please don't trigger me. And this topic could be triggering.
[100:58]
Jeremy Hecht
It's very triggering.
[101:00]
Joe Budden
I done been through every aspect of this. The second that she left him, fan bases were weaponized because you had the Disney girl, the Beyonce girl, the clean sister act girl. Fan base saying, yo, dog, you locked up. She should have never been with you. You was a bum. You clout chasing every chance you get. You mentioning a baby, you mentioning her. She don't want you. That was a thing. That was a real thing. I'm saying this. That somebody fam.
[101:32]
Parks
It went on up here. We got into an argument about ddg.
[101:38]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, I don't remember.
[101:39]
Parks
We did. We got into an argument about ddg. You took Chloe side. I mean, you took Haley side. We took DDG side. We got into an argument about ddg. So it's not like he was the person that was throwing out the. The bully, and she was just on the receiving end of that. That's not true. Both of their fan bases were weaponized. She.
[101:56]
Jeremy Hecht
She did not weaponize hers. She couldn't for. Just. Just let me say this one thing. Just one thing, and then y' all got it.
[102:02]
Joe Budden
Hijack the topic.
[102:04]
Jeremy Hecht
Holy.
[102:05]
Joe Budden
You're going to hijack.
[102:08]
Jeremy Hecht
Jack dogpiled on me one time, so I just want to say this one thing.
[102:12]
Joe Budden
Go ahead.
[102:14]
Jeremy Hecht
She did not weaponize her fan base. And furthermore, everybody's saying that he's a clown. Stay away from. From him, blah, blah. She didn't listen. She followed her own heart. That was the man she wanted. She chose. She had a baby with him.
[102:27]
Joe Budden
He.
[102:28]
Jeremy Hecht
She did not listen to anybody. So she did not weaponize her Fan base, they made their own assessment assumptions. He went on streaming.
[102:36]
Joe Budden
Now you off the tangent. Can you not respond to each point that we're about to make the same way we did with you? That's all I'm asking.
[102:42]
Jeremy Hecht
Right.
[102:42]
Joe Budden
I have more of your points that I like.
[102:44]
Parks
Even with that weaponization point, the artists sometimes don't have to say, skip, go do it. Yeah, they don't have to do that.
[102:52]
Joe Budden
If nothing else, we've proven that both of them played part in the weaponization of fan bases. 1, 2. In terms of things being made public and why they are made public, they're playing courthouse games.
[103:08]
Parks
True.
[103:08]
Joe Budden
Indeed. Courthouse games is not only where things become public, but it's where both parties go to say the worst of the worst about the other. So unfortunately, these stories, the break in stories, they're public because they're court filings. Three, she played her hand in some of this being public when she vehemently was against the kid going to Consonant's.
[103:35]
Parks
House and put that out.
[103:37]
Joe Budden
And she put it out. So all I'm saying is at the start, you have two young people that are engaging in the messiness of a breakup after a baby. That's.
[103:51]
Parks
That's fair my thing. And I'm not on anybody's side. Again, I think the child is the, the real recipient of the negativity. But I don't understand to Joe's point, how you could say, yo, I don't want my kid around Kasana or on the stream or anything of that sort, but you are electing to take my kid across to a whole different country outside of me.
[104:18]
Jeremy Hecht
I think that's very different.
[104:19]
Ish
I think that's different. Personally. A lot of goes on at. On these streams. It be, it be girls.
[104:25]
Joe Budden
It be.
[104:26]
Ish
It be a lot of going on on the streams. Me take her taking a kid with, with her to work in another just, just happens to be in another country. You don't know. You can have a nanny, you can have whatever over there with you. I'm not subjecting the kid to anything necessarily.
[104:42]
Parks
Supposedly you don't know that.
[104:43]
Joe Budden
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[104:45]
Parks
That's supposed. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[104:48]
Joe Budden
You can't do that without my consent.
[104:50]
Parks
No, but I don't give a.
[104:52]
Joe Budden
If you got a nanny and you got the best condition, you cannot do that without my consent. We know that is dead.
[104:57]
Parks
What I don't like to do is depending on how.
[104:59]
Jeremy Hecht
But isn't that what the rest says?
[105:02]
Ish
That's not necessarily depending on what's set.
[105:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Up the restraining order basically says she has soul. If she got soul, she wants to make that decision. She can do that is income.
[105:11]
Joe Budden
I don't know that to be true. Correct.
[105:13]
Parks
You are wrong.
[105:13]
Ish
Does she have. I don't know what they are.
[105:15]
Parks
You cannot do whatever you want just because you have soul custody. You can't do that. I've been through it.
[105:18]
Joe Budden
I know that y' all want to fucking. It's the erasure of father rights around here. But you cannot take this baby. No, you can't.
[105:26]
Parks
It's not true. And my thing is this. And I hate that this point gets overlooked. Fam, you had enough discernment to lay down and have a baby with this man, right?
[105:36]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[105:36]
Parks
We are electing this man to be the father of your child.
[105:39]
Joe Budden
Can I pause you right there for a second and add to what you said saying? Maybe messy, but it is being spoken about. He convinced her to have the baby. She said, I'm having an abortion. No, that's part of. Listen, there's another side to this that paints her as being emotionally manipulative. And I think that is what he filed in his court balance. But. And I'm not even going to continue to speak to that. I can speak to. To how a dad move when he want the kid. Yes, that's what I can speak.
[106:13]
Jeremy Hecht
Is there proof of her making that statement?
[106:15]
Parks
No, it's not proof of some of the alleged neither. But we talk about alleging.
[106:20]
Jeremy Hecht
Well, I think that.
[106:22]
Joe Budden
Fact checker.
[106:22]
Parks
Yeah, well, what I'm saying is this.
[106:25]
Jeremy Hecht
Fact check that if there's any proof, written proof that she said she was going to have an abortion and he convinced her to have the baby. Because if not, then that is just his word against hers. And that is. That's nasty.
[106:36]
Ish
You know what there is written proof of?
[106:38]
Parks
We can't do that, though. We can't do that. We can't say it's written proof of this, but we don't have written proof of that. And the things that we don't have written proof.
[106:45]
Jeremy Hecht
No, I'm just talking about text messages since he sent them. No, but you put them out.
[106:47]
Joe Budden
You didn't bring up written when he broke in the house and yada, yada. We don't have written proof of these things. We don't have proof of these things.
[106:52]
Jeremy Hecht
He took a picture of her bed.
[106:55]
Parks
So he could have took that picture nine years ago.
[106:57]
Jeremy Hecht
He let her know that, I'm in your house. I could take a picture of your. I'm taking a picture of your house.
[107:01]
Joe Budden
You're getting that from a police report, Mel, is what we're. But anyway, so let us know when you have facts.
[107:07]
Duke Dennis
It doesn't seem like there's any public record of her saying that. DDG said in an interview we weren't aiming for a baby. It kind of happened. What are we gonna do? He said, she always wanted to be a mom, and I always wanted a kid. So from there, we just made a decision to go through it. I don't know if there's any public record of her saying that, bro.
[107:28]
Parks
The point I was making is something different. The point I was making is, yo, the second that we elect to have a chance, right? Let's just say, for all intents and purposes, it was agreed upon mutually.
[107:38]
Flip
I'm sure it was.
[107:39]
Parks
You now can't, when we break up, say, yo, that bitch is a bum mom. I ain't never wanna have a baby with her. I don't want her to be alone with my kid. You elected to have a child with this woman, so that speaks to your judgment and your own discernment that you thought in that moment she would have been a decent mom and vice versa.
[107:55]
Ish
So if you have somebody can be wrong, though.
[107:57]
Parks
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. But in the moment, you can have the confidence that this man is gonna be a good dad. So you are thinking. Thinking that he's gonna have your child's best interest at heart when he has your child, and vice versa. On a woman's.
[108:08]
Mel
People don't think that like that. Young people don't give it that much thought. That's too. That's too many words and too many thoughts. No, you're in the moment. You like each other. You can both want to have a baby. You can decide to want to have a baby, but they're not thinking about, oh, I think he'll be the best father. I think she'll be the best mother.
[108:23]
Ish
Nobody know what having a baby means. Like, they don't know all the. That changed. Like, the person that you with right now, now ain't gonna be the same person.
[108:31]
Parks
Neither one of you will be like, yo, dawg, she had my baby over here. I don't want my baby over there. Depending on if it's a harmful situation or not, of course. But, yo, I don't want my baby around these people. My nigga, that's not your choice to make. And then vice versa. On the woman's side, yo, I don't want my baby around her sister. Or if they not putting your kid in harm's way. My nigga, that's not your choice to make. You laid down and had a baby with this woman. And you have to trust that the man and the woman are gonna do a proper, appropriate things with your child in mind.
[108:57]
Mel
The only thing I. I'm familiar with when it comes to consent for both parents is when you trying to take a child to get a passport out of the country.
[109:04]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[109:04]
Mel
If the man name is on the birth certificate, you cannot go and take the child to get a passport without the man.
[109:09]
Parks
You can't take the child out the country either. The child has to sign to take. I mean, pardon me, the parent has to sign for you to take them out the country.
[109:18]
Duke Dennis
And not to interrupt, but just to clarify, in the court filing that DDG made, it does say so. Petitioner threatened me by demanding that we reconcile or she would go through with the abortion. This was the most troubling of her attempts to coercively control me. So DDG is claiming she did that.
[109:36]
Jeremy Hecht
Again, It's a claim.
[109:39]
Joe Budden
These text messages that he released, the disturbing ones. If you believe that these are texts and not doctored and really happened in the. They say a lot. I mean, they do tell a story. They.
[109:52]
Ish
Do.
[109:55]
Joe Budden
Y' all want. Should I read them?
[109:56]
Flip
Sure.
[109:59]
Joe Budden
The trust is a blurry version. I'll try my best. The trust issues are becoming overwhelming. Maybe that's for the best. I put in too much time and effort into making you happy to have to deal with the every day. And in your eyes, you're never wrong. It's frustrating and I'm over it. I'm no longer entertaining this argument. I need to work on becoming more successful, like, quote, unquote, Jay Z, like you said. Then maybe you'll take my vision of becoming a big label owner serious instead of on my dreams. Every second you get, she says you don't want to be with me. That's okay. I will never beg anyone. I will be successful. I don't need to be with someone who is going to demean me. Me. You like that I'm insecure. It makes you feel good about yourself. I'm not doing this anymore. Keep your phone on airplane mode. But when I die, don't say, See.
[110:52]
Flip
This is a lot of tmi. This is. This is two young people being super.
[110:57]
Jeremy Hecht
Manipulative to each other because their feelings are involved and like that. Like, they're. They're just. They're really. They're just be. They're nasty to each other. But who in this room doesn't know what that experience is? Like when it gets. When you're. When you're at that point where you're mad at each other or where you think that the break is happening and one person is playing super nonchalant, usually the guy and the girl is like, you know, just spazzing out and like that. That's all I hear from those text messages.
[111:26]
Flip
It sounds like both of them are doing both things. Like both of them are playing nonchalant. Both of them are being nasty to each other.
[111:32]
Joe Budden
Both of them not playing Parks. And Mel, enough of y' all too now.
[111:35]
Mel
But not enough.
[111:35]
Joe Budden
But enough of YouTube.
[111:36]
Ish
I don't hear her playing nonchalant at all.
[111:39]
Joe Budden
This is what I'm saying. Not enough of you. What I'm saying is this. And again, speaking from a little bit of experience, I don't know if you brothers have any experience here and if y' all do, I don't know why y' all talking to him right now.
[111:50]
Mel
No, I want to hear your point. Cause we about to make one.
[111:53]
Joe Budden
This is what I'm saying. In the beef where two people are wrong and playing a part.
[111:57]
Flip
Yeah.
[111:59]
Joe Budden
There's the person that. That's playing along and whatever the beef is. And then there's somebody that's not playing at all. There's somebody that is so angry or so emotional and so narrow minded that they are not looking at the bigger picture here. Once she says to him, I will die behind this or whatever the fuck she said. Even if it's from. Whatever it's from. As a parent. Yeah. Now we. You have taken this to another level. And I don't know if you are of enough health in mind, body and spirit to take care of you and a child. And nobody talks about that part of postpartum. I'm not against y' all calling this behavior postpartum. Y' all got all types of words. Postpartum, Stockholm.
[112:47]
Parks
Let me ask.
[112:48]
Jeremy Hecht
But postpartum. But postpartum is it. That's. There's nothing to deny about postpartum. Postpartum is what happens after you have a baby. It is. There's postpartum depression, there's psychosis. There is postpartum and there is like her hormone. Like it's stressful enough to have had a child, but when you enter into a chaotic, erratic, you know, situation with the person that is supposed to be loving on you and the kid and.
[113:17]
Joe Budden
Creating a child with postpartum male. I don't need the word suit.
[113:21]
Jeremy Hecht
You can care for a child, but you got to do everything that you possibly can to create as stress free an environment as possible. And it doesn't seem like this is.
[113:30]
Joe Budden
What'S happening in caring for the child. Should you text anybody and say, I'm gonna kill myself.
[113:35]
Ish
And if you do, how do you think that person should respond? That's, that's my question in seeing that tweet, if I ever got that tweet.
[113:47]
Jeremy Hecht
You've never had a girl say that to you?
[113:49]
Ish
We're talking about. No, no, no, I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm talking about. Yeah. Someone that I have a child with. Like my baby mother has never gotten to that had.
[113:57]
Joe Budden
She did.
[113:59]
Ish
My immediate number one thing is I gotta go get my kid.
[114:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[114:04]
Ish
Whether you're serious or not, I can't play with it at any time.
[114:06]
Jeremy Hecht
And I totally understand that. But if we're gonna be talking about you to me, I don't know what happened between you and your baby mama, if it was contentious or whatever, but you seem to be an extraordinarily even keeled logical person, you know, So I don't really. I don't know. But I don't really see you antagonizing your baby mama, especially after the kid has been born. I just don't see that happening with you. That is what I see. I am, I don't, I don't matter in this situation, but this is how I am reading the situation. He is incredibly antagonizing to a woman who is just had his child and they're playing these nasty little fucking games with each other. But to me, she doesn't really want to play these games. He releases the text messages just to get everybody. He's. He's playing that game of trying to.
[114:55]
Ish
Get everybody, but trying to get.
[114:57]
Parks
I'm doing, I'm trying to get the.
[114:59]
Ish
Courts to understand what I'm doing.
[115:01]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, let me ask you a question. When were the text messages written versus when were they released? Because if there's a huge.
[115:08]
Ish
Between messages, the, the. From what I. The dates I looked at was March.
[115:12]
Duke Dennis
March 2024. Yeah.
[115:14]
Ish
Well, the text messages came out a couple days ago when he filed to.
[115:19]
Duke Dennis
Keep her from leaving in defense. After she released.
[115:22]
Ish
After she. Yes.
[115:24]
Parks
Can I ask you a question? Does anybody know how old their child is?
[115:28]
Jeremy Hecht
He's. He, he's one at the most.
[115:30]
Ish
Yeah.
[115:31]
Joe Budden
Cool.
[115:31]
Parks
Almost two, so.
[115:32]
Jeremy Hecht
Almost two.
[115:32]
Parks
I want to stay here. I don't want to fight you. I'm putting it out on the record.
[115:35]
Ish
That'll be.
[115:37]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[115:38]
Parks
So think about this. Postpartum can last for a certain amount of Time. Right. So you are clear in saying that postpartum is a real thing where you may or may not be in control of your hormones, your emotional state, your mental state, etc? Yes.
[115:54]
Jeremy Hecht
In certain instances, yes.
[115:57]
Joe Budden
Do you think it's a lineup?
[115:58]
Parks
I know we're not gonna give an answer, so to everybody in the room.
[116:02]
Joe Budden
Room.
[116:02]
Jeremy Hecht
We've heard postpartum means yes. Yes. You don't have control.
[116:06]
Parks
Thank you.
[116:07]
Jeremy Hecht
Because nobody has control over their hormones. You can't control them.
[116:11]
Parks
I'm asking.
[116:12]
Jeremy Hecht
You're right, Mel.
[116:13]
Parks
I'm asking you.
[116:13]
Jeremy Hecht
You're right. She can't control hormones.
[116:15]
Parks
So if you are a dad and postpartum can last for the better part of a year, postpartum can last, they said, multiple years.
[116:21]
Jeremy Hecht
Yes.
[116:22]
Parks
So if this person is saying that I'm thinking about killing myself, that is my child, whatever the case may be, then I don't give a fuck when the text messages came out. If you're saying that the child is less than a year old or a year old, those text messages are still valid because she could still be under emotional, hormonal and mental distress right now.
[116:41]
Ish
See, my only, my only, my only issue with that. And I'm inserting myself here.
[116:45]
Joe Budden
Pause.
[116:46]
Ish
If I were to get that message. I'm not waiting for March a year or so later.
[116:53]
Parks
It's not my point. My point is those messages still remain valid today if her emotional and mental state are still compromised today.
[117:03]
Ish
Yeah, but if you really felt that way, why are you waiting?
[117:06]
Parks
I don't know why he did this. We moving that.
[117:09]
Jeremy Hecht
I'm talking about, you know, if I'm him and she wrote me that text message, you know what I'm doing right in that moment? I am calling whatever authority that I need to. And I am trying, I'm going to try my hardest to get a psych. To get a psycho adjutant.
[117:24]
Joe Budden
Mel, Mel, Mel. This is where I have to interrupt you.
[117:26]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, go ahead.
[117:26]
Joe Budden
I have to interrupt you. With respect, you can't say that you don't. You have no idea of what you would do. When this topic came up with me and my girl and we were talking about the text, I said, I mean, I wasn't all the way serious. If I see that text, I'm calling the police. I said that same thing that you just said. She reminded me I had already been. I'd been through the text and I.
[117:49]
Parks
Didn'T call the cops.
[117:50]
Joe Budden
I didn't call the police at all. I went outside while we were the. On. On her birthday dinner and did my best to Talk to. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you can't just say, I'm going to call the police. We can't gauge the seriousness of somebody when they text it is all I'm saying.
[118:11]
Ish
They weren't even broken up.
[118:12]
Jeremy Hecht
And that's. And that's my point. And of course, you know, we are totally armchair quarterbacking this situation. We're just opining on their business because. Because it's everywhere. But to your point, you're right. You don't know what you're going to do in this situation. You can think in hindsight and say, I would be comfortable having a psychological evaluation done on her because I'm concerned for my child. You would think that that's what somebody would think. But if they don't in the moment, then that's understandable, too. It's also understandable to think that she's just being hysterical in the moment, saying something to try to get a rise out of you, because nothing else.
[118:47]
Joe Budden
But let me tell you, for all of this potentially true as a man, there are a lot of steps and hurdles that you have to get to before you convince a judge or a court that a psych eval is needed for your child's mother. It's not just as simple as you going in there and requesting one. I feel like niggas go in court all the time and say, hey, this lady.
[119:11]
Ish
But you know what?
[119:11]
Joe Budden
They.
[119:12]
Ish
You know what? They. They don't have a whole list of text messages showing potentially, like erratic babes. You just going in off word of mouth.
[119:23]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[119:23]
Ish
You got to prove a lot of that.
[119:26]
Mel
I feel like it's dangerous to. When you talk about postpartum, it's dangerous to point the blame at the other person. Instead of finding solutions of how to deal with postpartum. When Mel is telling the story or freeze even you, you're saying. Saying that the environment has to be like this and be like that. But there's really limited to no solution in dealing with somebody with postpartum. And I feel like it's very reckless to just, you know, put the blame on the person that's in that position as far as, like, creating an environment, a safe environment.
[119:57]
Parks
You mean the man or the woman?
[119:58]
Mel
Putting it on. On the man.
[119:59]
Parks
Okay.
[120:00]
Mel
Because there's no solution. What Mel is saying or what Mel said is, yo, hey, I see him antagonizing somebody who's dealing with postpartum. Maybe he doesn't know how to deal with a person who's going through postpartum. I watched this man online. Say how much. Please leave her alone. We're not going there. I'm not talking about her. I still love her. This and that and the third. I try to keep my distance, whatever she says. Cause I don't know what she's dealing with at this current moment. Especially young people, they don't know how.
[120:23]
Joe Budden
To deal with it.
[120:24]
Mel
And their kids, so to say that. And like, oh, he's creating an environment like that. What about the person with postpartum creating the environment as well?
[120:31]
Joe Budden
How do we.
[120:31]
Mel
How do we deal with that? How does the person dealing with the person that's going through postpartum navigate in that system?
[120:37]
Ish
Hey, let me tell you, I'm gonna use myself. There was a time when I thought my baby mother was suffering from postpartum depression. I spoke about this back when we was in the.
[120:46]
Joe Budden
We did.
[120:46]
Parks
We did.
[120:47]
Ish
And I went to her and said, hey, I know I'm not equipped to deal with this. I don't even know fully what it is. Do you think we could talk to somebody? I'll pay for it. Whatever the case, let's find somebody.
[121:01]
Parks
Let's try.
[121:02]
Ish
Because I ain't the right person. I know that whatever I could say is probably gonna be wrong, might make it worse. But I see there is something happening here. She told me, no, she wasn't. And we let it.
[121:13]
Joe Budden
We.
[121:14]
Ish
It continued to get worse to the point that's when she wasn't.
[121:17]
Parks
What I was just about to say.
[121:20]
Joe Budden
While you was talking, I thought you would end differently, but I'm like, damn, that's the blessing. I went through that. And the person I was speaking to have had no idea that that was postpartum. It was her first kid. She didn't know. I'm coming to you. Hey, is this that cuz? They warned us about it in the hospital. Is there a way to help? And if you say no now we just back to dealing with whatever comes with.
[121:40]
Parks
Or if you're a man and you. And they say no, you sitting there like, oh, oh, all right.
[121:44]
Jeremy Hecht
Can I. Can I suggest having children?
[121:46]
Joe Budden
And then the side don't have postpartum.
[121:48]
Mel
Late 30s, that nigga's having. That nigga's having children. Having children in your late 30s, you gotta know how to deal with that. You're more knowledgeable than somebody in their early 20s, much more tolerant, much more patient.
[121:59]
Parks
You're right.
[122:00]
Jeremy Hecht
Can I also suggest something? That because she said no and because yours said no, there is a lot of women. Women, when they become mothers, even before they become mothers, when they're pregnant. There is this. There's this pressure to become super mom and know everything immediately. And I'm speaking from the standpoint of I've never had a child. I've lost one, so I never had one. But I have a lot of friends that I was there for when their children were born. And I was a really. I was very supportive because they just didn't know what they were doing. You know, they're not. They feel like they're expected to know everything, but you don't know anything. You don't know what you don't know until you fucking know it. And a lot of times that added pressure and a lack of understanding that you are physically in. In postpartum not knowing because you've never had it before, you've never experienced it. You just know, you feel whatever you feel. I feel like it's difficult to identify that that's what you're going through in the moment that you're going through if you've never experienced it before. And that's all I'm gonna say in this scenario.
[123:04]
Joe Budden
That is an amazing point. I agree with her. For women and men. And men, you don't know what you don't know.
[123:11]
Parks
That's exactly what I was about to say.
[123:13]
H
Just mute it up.
[123:14]
Joe Budden
Just mute it up.
[123:14]
Jeremy Hecht
I was gonna. Was going to agree with you, but.
[123:17]
Joe Budden
Let me finish.
[123:17]
Mel
Let me.
[123:18]
Jeremy Hecht
Sorry.
[123:19]
Joe Budden
Like, so you don't. I agree. You don't know what you don't know until you know it. And guess what? In the household with the postpartum woman and the man, he going to be second to know it.
[123:29]
Parks
No, time out though, cuz Mel said, yo. The women think that they supposed to be super mom.
[123:33]
Ish
Might not be.
[123:34]
Parks
Think they supposed to be super dad too.
[123:36]
Ish
That is a fact.
[123:36]
Parks
You've just taken on a whole new individual that is responsible for breathing because of you.
[123:42]
Ish
That is.
[123:43]
Parks
You got to make sure that they're healthy. You got to make sure that they're fed, you got to make sure they're closed. You got to also provide a. Kids ain't cheap. So now you bring a whole new experiences, whole new expenses. Like it's a different ballgame. It's just not a ball game. And please don't take this. It ain't just a ball game that women are playing. The men are entered into that game as well. And that piece gets pushed to the side.
[124:07]
Joe Budden
Ish.
[124:07]
Ish
To, to, to add on my.
[124:09]
Parks
When my daughter woke up, I took the night shift. I'm self employed. When my girl works my. When My daughter woke up at night time at 3 and 2 and whatever. I'm the that sat in the rocking chair rocking my daughter back to sleep. Men get just pushed to the side for that. I'm the that's going downstairs doing all the other. When my girl asleep.
[124:26]
Joe Budden
What you called the Mexicans and told them though, about the business?
[124:29]
Parks
Nothing. You gotta, yo. No, he's right. My. That modified your business. That all of that shit took place. Like, yo, people just look at it like it's a one sided thing. It's not.
[124:39]
Ish
And look to what you were saying as a man. You ain't just looking at. You got to make sure the baby's good. You got to make sure she good.
[124:46]
Parks
My girl could barely walk. She had a C section. My girl could barely walk. I had to walk her, pick her up off the toilet, walk her to the bed from the toilet. My. All of those things. Making sure I'm me. I sleep hard. Kind of. Y' all gotta wait on a schedule to make sure my girl is taking her antibiotics and her pain pills, all of that shit on different schedules and all of that stuff. It's a joint effort, fam. I hate when we sit up here and act like it's just a woman thing. It's not just a woman thing. Even though they are going through mad shit that we couldn't possibly fathom, men are going through other shit and we just discredit that piece. So to them.
[125:22]
Joe Budden
I hate that this is public because they push somebody out of this shit. Of course.
[125:26]
Ish
Of course.
[125:26]
Joe Budden
No, we're not saying it's equal.
[125:29]
Parks
It's not even remotely. No, it's not even remotely equal. I'm just saying that both of these people are ignorant and not knowledgeable about what is going on and what's to come.
[125:39]
Joe Budden
I want to add on to what y' all saying too. Not saying this applies here, but them chicks with the angel images. I know, I know. Ain't nobody gonna talk about it. I know ain't nobody talking about.
[125:53]
Parks
He ain't gonna talk about it.
[125:54]
Joe Budden
I' ma talk about it though.
[125:56]
Ish
Yeah, have at it.
[125:57]
Parks
Hey, Joe.
[126:01]
Joe Budden
Button podcast prize featuring Ice and ish and flipping mail in parts. You talking about Dr. Mario, Jeremy?
[126:09]
Parks
Heck.
[126:11]
Joe Budden
The. The women with the angel images are able to get off a lot under the guise of I have an angel image and I imagine it to be frustrating. Frustrating for a man. I'm not even just talking about them. They young, so we're going to apply the young card. But there are a lot of people out there hiding behind just this. This image of perfection. And behind the scenes, they are an absolute demon and monster. And nobody believes the guy because this girl and been in a movie or two. And I could say that a million times I thought it about Kiki Palmer and her baby daddy with what they went through, I can name you six different couples to where the lady is an angel, so. Nah, no way she did that.
[127:01]
Ish
Yep.
[127:01]
Joe Budden
Kick rocks.
[127:03]
Parks
Do you know what Johnny Depp went through?
[127:05]
Joe Budden
I didn't look at that case. But, yeah, similar.
[127:08]
Parks
Like, until he started, he had the proof. He started. He had to prove, like, yo, no, dog, she in my bed.
[127:15]
Ish
Bed.
[127:15]
Joe Budden
I wasn't familiar with Amber.
[127:17]
Parks
They didn't believe. Nobody was. But she had an image of a certain level of innocence or purity or coolness that he had to now start going to get voicemails and recordings that she didn't know when he was recording her saying, you, I only smacked you. You, you're a man. Eat it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, he had to have video. I mean, not video audio recordings of the. That was transpired before he was even taken seriously.
[127:43]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I just think that. I just think it's whack. I think that shit is whack. That's it. I don't have a deeper dive on it, but there's a lot of it going on out there. I'll be without class and couf to continue to give you the names on this list, so I won't.
[127:57]
Duke Dennis
But anyway, I just wish it wasn't all public. Like, that's the worst. Seeing every inch of this play out in public. And it was clearly a lot of. Like, there was maybe postpartum depression, manic. There was maybe cheat. Like there's all these things going on, but we had to see all of that play out versus them just working it out in private, which again, I'm not in the public eye like that. I don't have a child, so I can't speak to that.
[128:23]
Joe Budden
But throwing some of that on the way. It'd be the women rushing to the courthouse It'd be the women rushing to the courthouse to get help because the nigga, the dude is not doing something, something that they want or not behaving accordingly. Men, I'll speak for black men. A lot of them ain't rushing to go start the courthouse process. That ain't happening. Some more shit that's taboo that we can't say. You're right, it be they ass going up there. Shit, in my case, I said it. Yo, this is about to go Public. We should. Let's do our best. It never works like that. So, I mean, we can sit there and. I feel like calling people stables. Oh, it's public. It's public. You. Where did the. Did you think it was going?
[129:05]
Ish
But that's a.
[129:06]
Joe Budden
You ain't important enough for them to seal nothing. You didn't pay for no mediator. You went to court.
[129:13]
Ish
And unfortunately, the emotional part and the young part, they don't even think that far. They don't think about illness.
[129:19]
Parks
Is age coming to that part.
[129:21]
Joe Budden
I know, but I'm supposed to think the person that. All right, we can do age. Age plays a part. The person. The per. I'm so. I received that. The person that don't think that far is also the best person to look after a child.
[129:36]
Parks
That ain't no Crisco there.
[129:39]
Joe Budden
This topic hits home for me. Home. The topic hits home for. It does. It does.
[129:44]
Ish
Cooking lard.
[129:51]
Parks
I ain't even going to Popeye's. I'm over here.
[129:53]
Ish
I'm busy.
[129:54]
Joe Budden
I'm glad I survived. I survived.
[129:57]
Parks
Lucky you.
[129:57]
Joe Budden
And a lot of that is in large credit to both of my kids. Moms. It may have been rough for a second. I survived. And I couldn't have done it without you. I couldn't have done it without you.
[130:06]
Ish
I'm in the same boat.
[130:07]
Joe Budden
I'm extremely grateful and blessed. Hey, the other night, my kid left the house.
[130:11]
Parks
He got the Swiffer.
[130:12]
Joe Budden
My kid left the house the other day. I didn't. And I couldn't find the apple remote. I'm so fly. And my co parenting. I called late like a mutt. Yeah. Hey, if the kid is awake, ask.
[130:28]
Ish
Them with my promoter.
[130:32]
Joe Budden
Me and mine don't talk. Afternoon, 11:00, 10:00. Nah, I wouldn't even do that because, you know, you don't want start thinking. Whatever you do. You make a popcorn with your. I don't know what you're doing over there. I want it to be peaceful, though.
[130:45]
Duke Dennis
She's thinking it's an emergency. Like, oh, something must be really wrong here. He's calling after.
[130:50]
Ish
Well, it is emergency. I need that remote.
[130:52]
Joe Budden
I need that remote for something.
[130:53]
Flip
You got to get the app on your phone for, you know, I mean.
[130:55]
Joe Budden
I should do the.
[130:56]
Ish
It's. It's already on your phone. You just control it from your phone.
[131:00]
Joe Budden
She put him on the phone. He was stressed.
[131:02]
Ish
I don't know where.
[131:05]
Joe Budden
You don't see. Yo, you got it. I love you, man. I love you, man. But that like that a blessing. For me, it's the little things. It's the little things. I done been through the depths of this and it don't feel good. So prayers to both of them indeed. I hope y' all find a pathway.
[131:22]
Duke Dennis
And the baby.
[131:23]
Joe Budden
And the baby. Nobody want to say it. The baby come after we.
[131:28]
Parks
The comic girl.
[131:29]
Joe Budden
Yeah. After we settle off, we'll both get to thinking about the baby again in a second. But Shorty, wife, once.
[131:37]
Ish
Once the. Once emotions cool off.
[131:38]
Joe Budden
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
[131:39]
Ish
Once some emotions cool off, then you can start thinking about the baby.
[131:42]
Parks
If they ever do.
[131:43]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I. I agree.
[131:45]
Duke Dennis
What'd you throw on after you got the remote? That's the real question.
[131:48]
Joe Budden
Oh, damn. What was I Fiend in the finish?
[131:51]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, the Friends and the John Hammond.
[131:53]
Joe Budden
I had to finish something. It wasn't that. I remember it. I remember you coming back to me. I was in the middle with some. I had to finish. Oh, it was on. On Netflix. What's the. I've been watching on Netflix. The three episodes.
[132:07]
Flip
Love Island.
[132:09]
Joe Budden
No. Why don't I just open that?
[132:13]
Parks
It wasn't Mobland. Yo, it's Mobland. Whatchamacaller came out.
[132:18]
Joe Budden
It wasn't. It wasn't Mobland. It was the three episode. But anyway, I'll let Jeremy know. But what is our. What is our next topic? You guys did great. You too. You did good. Nah, you killed that shit.
[132:30]
Ish
I was worried.
[132:30]
Joe Budden
I heard you can hear that tick earlier.
[132:33]
Ish
That's why I was like. Everybody just stopped because I.
[132:35]
Joe Budden
We can hear the ticking. Mel.
[132:37]
Ish
I thought she was getting ready. It was about to be a storm off.
[132:39]
Joe Budden
It'd be jumping out.
[132:40]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, no. Not doing that no more.
[132:44]
Mel
I am.
[132:45]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[132:45]
Duke Dennis
You got all POVs there. I feel like.
[132:47]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I can't wait to hear you and DJ Head and Elliot Wilson break this down.
[132:52]
Duke Dennis
You know what? I think we might be skipping that one on the topic.
[132:55]
Joe Budden
Listen, that's my problem up here. Like, we don't skip. And when we skip, we get in trouble.
[133:03]
Duke Dennis
No, I respect it because. But the Internet gets on you guys. If you do skip it, like they will. You're scared so strong. They'll be like, oh, and they have conspiracies about it too.
[133:12]
Joe Budden
They go.
[133:12]
Duke Dennis
They didn't talk about it.
[133:13]
Ish
They scared to talk about that. Or they. Some such and such is paying them.
[133:17]
Duke Dennis
Do you guys look at all that stuff? Like, I know you have the JVP community and Twitter. Like, are you looking at all these clips and all the stuff. Stuff that people are saying every week? Like, do you guys pay attention.
[133:25]
Jeremy Hecht
They see a lot.
[133:27]
Flip
I used to see a lot.
[133:28]
Joe Budden
I see it all. Yeah. I see every word that said. I search every name. I go on every platform. I look at the niggas with two views, 10 views, 100 views, a thousand views. Every one of them niggas talking shit or picking us up. I'm looking.
[133:46]
Duke Dennis
Cause I see. I feel like you give nods to it too. Like, you'll throw little, like, comments in that, you know, the people who commented it will see it and they'll be like, oh, see, we're making our.
[133:56]
Jeremy Hecht
You know, we're having an impact.
[133:59]
Joe Budden
Look at you. You one of the. You picking it up. He picking it up. What else needs our. Our attention, huh? Come on, we on a roll. We on a roll. You guys don't stop now.
[134:12]
Ish
All right, well, we.
[134:13]
Joe Budden
We.
[134:13]
Ish
I mean, it's not in the same realm, but it's court involved. Eminem is suing Meta for.
[134:22]
Flip
Oh, I'm not familiar with this.
[134:23]
Parks
Yeah.
[134:23]
Ish
Yes. He's suing Meta for.
[134:25]
Parks
On a million.
[134:26]
Ish
Yeah. $100 million they've licensed. What if they've used his music without licensing?
[134:34]
Flip
How so?
[134:35]
Ish
Instagram, Facebook, all their platforms. He's suing them for 109 million. And it's over 200 songs that they have been allowed on their platforms with.
[134:44]
Jeremy Hecht
Without interest, like, to use on, like, reels and like that.
[134:49]
Parks
For years. It's been for years almost, I think a decade or a little around there, that they've allowed their users to bump his. They said he just sat back in the cut, chilling until it accumulated to the point where he could sell him for $109 million.
[135:04]
Jeremy Hecht
So couldn't every artist in theory do the same thing?
[135:08]
Parks
Yeah, but that we. They might have already got those artist.
[135:11]
Ish
License or they might have got.
[135:13]
Parks
I don't know how the licensing works, but when I was reading over it, yeah, it was saying that basically they've been allowed people to use his for a decade.
[135:21]
Ish
Apparently he got some control.
[135:23]
Parks
Yeah. Without paying.
[135:24]
Ish
They don't have that. The other artists don't have.
[135:26]
Parks
Yes. Or he might own his. I don't know how it's working.
[135:30]
Flip
I think. I don't know his situation.
[135:32]
Parks
You get what I'm saying? If he. If he. If he owns his own shit, then they would have had to come directly to him. Whereas other artists, they might have to go to UMG or somebody else that owns they shit.
[135:41]
Flip
Right. Interesting.
[135:43]
Parks
Or they might got a partnership. Meta might got. Already got a partnership with umg.
[135:47]
Flip
Yeah, they do.
[135:47]
Parks
For the whole gamut. Of their artists.
[135:50]
Flip
Yeah.
[135:50]
Parks
Whereas if he owns his own, they might be outside of that scope.
[135:55]
Flip
Or he might be just trying to start something. You know what I mean? Like break down a barrier.
[136:01]
Parks
Could be.
[136:02]
Flip
Which I mean kudos to him if.
[136:03]
Parks
He does 100 mil.
[136:04]
Ish
100 million.
[136:05]
Flip
Yeah.
[136:06]
Duke Dennis
Do you think that that affects things at this point where Instagram's just going to say it? We're removing all music.
[136:12]
Parks
No, no.
[136:13]
Ish
Because they got deals in place already.
[136:14]
Parks
Most artists don't own their own music.
[136:16]
Joe Budden
They. They're actually.
[136:17]
Ish
If you go now, go post something on Instagram now. Hey, if you add music, we will make you. Make you increase your reach.
[136:23]
Joe Budden
They'll kill 10 of y' all artists before they remove your music.
[136:27]
Ish
What the fuck are y' all talking about?
[136:28]
Joe Budden
Magic. A magic bow accident.
[136:32]
Duke Dennis
The Sharks got him with five a list.
[136:35]
Joe Budden
Artists, music.
[136:36]
Flip
Those artists want their music on there.
[136:39]
Ish
Yeah.
[136:40]
Flip
And he probably does too, to a degree.
[136:41]
Parks
But I want to get.
[136:43]
Flip
I'm curious to read more about this. I was.
[136:44]
Joe Budden
I was unaware to answer you from earlier, Jeremy. It was the Tylenol murders. I had to finish. I was on episode three.
[136:51]
Jeremy Hecht
Ah, Tylenol murdering cyanide into the cap.
[136:57]
Joe Budden
I wish anybody up here would. Would watch it because it like kind of ended on a cliffhanger her and I don't know.
[137:03]
Jeremy Hecht
I'll watch it.
[137:04]
Flip
I would totally watch it.
[137:05]
Joe Budden
Definitely.
[137:05]
Jeremy Hecht
I've just been stuck on Yellowstone.
[137:08]
Joe Budden
Sorry. I haven't even started Yellowstone.
[137:11]
Jeremy Hecht
Never watched yellowstone.
[137:12]
Flip
I started 1923 now. Still don't know if I love it.
[137:16]
Parks
I like them all.
[137:18]
Ish
I like.
[137:20]
Flip
Yellow. So the main one is super fun.
[137:22]
Ish
Super.
[137:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah. I just don't know if it's good enough for me and my girl.
[137:28]
Jeremy Hecht
It is.
[137:28]
Duke Dennis
That's important.
[137:29]
Jeremy Hecht
It is.
[137:30]
Joe Budden
If it's good enough for her, then I'll watch my girl.
[137:32]
Parks
Put me on Yellowstone. I mean my track.
[137:34]
Joe Budden
The shows that only Joe Butter are going to take a while now. I can't just immediately watch.
[137:39]
Duke Dennis
I have to find time for those. You gotta find time for the solo shows. You're like hiding in the corner watching.
[137:44]
Joe Budden
No.
[137:44]
Ish
Y' all missing what he's saying. I'm not hearing them.
[137:46]
Joe Budden
You don't have the time for of the solo show. He can't watch plenty of shows that Joseph Anthony Button Jr. Would love would be into and love to start like Yellowstone being one of them. But I have to wait till I'm 30 or I mean 56, 77. So those don't get taken.
[138:04]
Duke Dennis
You just have a list of one day list to this.
[138:06]
Parks
Yeah.
[138:06]
Flip
I Do too.
[138:07]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I do. And you better finish Mob Land. As soon as my girl got away.
[138:11]
Mel
From me, ran right through it.
[138:14]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Now, I don't want to put that on her. I'm not a big fan of the accents, and she knows that, so we just left it. But when she left, I was like, I'll try these British motherfuckers. And I can't lie, Some of the worst English accents you'll ever hear in a circus. Which is funny because I think Pierce Brosnan is really from over there, and his accent was terrible.
[138:34]
Ish
I don't know why. Like, those accents were really bad for me. As bad as some of that other.
[138:40]
Joe Budden
I had to get through that and not understand a third of what they was talking about. Sometimes.
[138:45]
Ish
Y' all know I hate.
[138:46]
Joe Budden
But my hearing is bad, too now.
[138:47]
Ish
But that.
[138:48]
Joe Budden
Turn that up into bigs for 30 years.
[138:51]
Flip
Yeah.
[138:52]
Joe Budden
It don't work. It don't work. I put my TV to volume 89. I can't hear nothing with the subtitles on. Anyway. I didn't love M Lens. Didn't they. I didn't love it. It.
[139:06]
Parks
I didn't love the end.
[139:06]
Joe Budden
It was too great of a series.
[139:08]
Parks
I didn't love the ending. But you knew.
[139:09]
Joe Budden
You see, they going in the season.
[139:10]
Parks
Two, you with absolute certainty. They going in season two. So.
[139:13]
Joe Budden
Yeah. But give me something. Give me something. I know you going into season two, you had a good series.
[139:19]
Parks
Nah, I think they left it open.
[139:21]
Joe Budden
Too open for me. Too open.
[139:24]
Parks
I think they got four or five directions. I think it's going to get better.
[139:27]
Joe Budden
Why you didn't show me what Pierce Brosnan's wife was doing. The same way you showed me Pierre Pierce in the jail scene at the end.
[139:32]
Mel
They did.
[139:34]
Joe Budden
I think we should have got another one. Another one.
[139:37]
Jeremy Hecht
Do you know how many of these actors are actually English in Mobland?
[139:43]
Joe Budden
No.
[139:44]
Jeremy Hecht
Like Helen Mirren, Helen Marin. She's an English actress.
[139:47]
Joe Budden
Tom Hardy.
[139:47]
Jeremy Hecht
Tom Hardy's English. Pierce Brosnan is Irish, actually.
[139:52]
Joe Budden
That's why I didn't understand nothing. Tom Hardy was there.
[139:54]
Parks
No. And Pierce Brosnan puts on an Irish accent. You said he got a bad English accent.
[139:59]
Joe Budden
Whatever his accent is, it was Irish. He was the worst.
[140:02]
Parks
He was saying he's from.
[140:02]
Jeremy Hecht
He's from Ireland.
[140:03]
Joe Budden
I don't care.
[140:04]
Parks
He was from Ireland.
[140:06]
Joe Budden
I don't care. What else.
[140:07]
Jeremy Hecht
Janet McSheer. She's an English actress. There's. These were real accents.
[140:13]
Joe Budden
That's not changing what I'm saying. They real English accents.
[140:18]
Parks
It's trash.
[140:19]
Joe Budden
Are bad.
[140:22]
Jeremy Hecht
You know, there's different English. English accents, too, right?
[140:24]
Joe Budden
Educate me. I don't.
[140:25]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, so there's refined English accents, like Downton Abbey, and then there is, like, cockney accent.
[140:33]
Ish
What's the shit man's in them?
[140:35]
Parks
What's the bad part? When we think about England, we only think about London.
[140:38]
Ish
Y' all don't like that.
[140:39]
Parks
It's like how somebody thinks about New York City in a tribute to the United States. Yeah. From North Carolina don't speak like us. Motherfuckers from Cleveland don't speak like us. People from LA don't speak like. Like us. So we just attribute England to London and think that everybody from England is supposed to be, like, a Londoner.
[140:56]
Jeremy Hecht
And it's like. No, there's like the Eat the South side.
[140:59]
Parks
Like, they are a bunch of Manchester in England.
[141:03]
Joe Budden
You know what else didn't make sense in mob land? Let me. Let me just. Spoiler alert. So fast forward me. What is the real nature between Pierce's wife and homie that she called you Steve? It don't make sense.
[141:20]
Parks
I think he popped.
[141:21]
Joe Budden
He did. But that. It don't make sense. It don't make sense.
[141:24]
Parks
I think he popped. I think she had. She thought her cache with him was bigger than it was.
[141:31]
Joe Budden
You just kill. All right, stop. Ish. This is where you lose me again. Fast forward through this, cuz I'm ruining this.
[141:37]
Parks
I'm mad that y' all ain't finished this.
[141:40]
Joe Budden
You killed dudes kids, kid, and wife, and it's. Shut it up.
[141:45]
Parks
No.
[141:45]
Joe Budden
And then called him with some type of reprieve.
[141:49]
Parks
No, stop.
[141:49]
Joe Budden
It's not happening.
[141:50]
Parks
They was fly. Until you kill my wife, I'm a rock with you.
[141:56]
Joe Budden
Kill my wife and my kid.
[141:57]
Duke Dennis
That'll usually do it.
[141:57]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[141:58]
Parks
Once she killed the wife.
[142:00]
Joe Budden
You killed my wife for no reason. Just because you ain't like her attitude. No.
[142:03]
Parks
Because she assaulted you at the repacks. She assaulted her. She said, yo, do you think Conrad had. Has to sleep with this every night?
[142:11]
Joe Budden
He has to her because we're at my son's funeral that y' all killed. Allegedly killed my son.
[142:16]
Parks
Allegedly.
[142:16]
Joe Budden
Not allegedly.
[142:17]
Parks
He was alleged initially.
[142:18]
Joe Budden
They know you killed.
[142:19]
Parks
They didn't know that until. Until after they killed the wife. And everybody got on the phone and the son said, I chopped your boy up real fine. They didn't know it at first.
[142:27]
Joe Budden
Could somebody call you after your son and wife is murdered and say, richie.
[142:32]
Mel
No.
[142:33]
Parks
No.
[142:34]
Duke Dennis
The sex would be absolutely insane. Insane for you to answer that call.
[142:38]
Parks
And not so coochie that good in the World.
[142:40]
Duke Dennis
What's that?
[142:41]
Joe Budden
That's the only part of the story for me that was just tough to get with. But I still enjoyed it was a few.
[142:45]
Parks
It was a few.
[142:46]
Joe Budden
I still enjoyed it. I still enjoyed it. M Land was pretty cool. What else needs our attention outside of tv? Where my phone at? The Duke. Duke the God.
[142:57]
Duke Dennis
Duke Dennis.
[142:58]
Ish
Yo, you.
[142:59]
Joe Budden
What, dog?
[143:00]
Ish
No, you didn't.
[143:04]
Joe Budden
Duke Dennis and shout out Duke to God. That's my era.
[143:08]
Ish
That's why I'm like, what the.
[143:09]
Joe Budden
I ain't never trying to diss Duke the God. Duke the God introduced me to Arab. I think shout out to Arab. Duke Dennis has children? Yes.
[143:20]
Ish
Okay.
[143:22]
Joe Budden
Is that true, Jeremy, our fact checker? It is true.
[143:25]
Duke Dennis
He did. Yes, he did.
[143:26]
Joe Budden
He has kids.
[143:26]
Duke Dennis
He didn't say how many. He didn't say all of it. But there's, like, speculation that he had six children. Every year it gets brought up on stream. Allegedly that he has a new. That he has.
[143:35]
Joe Budden
This is not a super important topic and one that we probably normally wouldn't even cover, but it's so funny. And it did take over my timeline until DDG took over. Duke Dennis is the streamer dude who all of the ladies were going crazy over. Cause he's an attractive man.
[143:54]
Duke Dennis
Gorilla shouted him out.
[143:56]
Mel
He's a part of amp.
[143:58]
Joe Budden
But how? A lot of casual people learned about him. For at least a year. Women were going crazy over Duke Dennis.
[144:06]
Mel
True.
[144:06]
Joe Budden
Yes. Then they learned he had kids. How many kids? It's a lot of kids. Six. Six.
[144:15]
Ish
I've had all kind of numbers.
[144:16]
Joe Budden
By how many people? A lot of people.
[144:19]
Duke Dennis
Yeah.
[144:19]
Joe Budden
And then women totally turned around on him. All of a sudden, he was not attractive. They start saying shit like, oh, he's a nasty dick all around town and you're 31 hanging around kid. They just. All the insults came out now because they learned that Duke Dennis has kids. Are you familiar with this?
[144:38]
Jeremy Hecht
I'm looking him up right now.
[144:42]
Joe Budden
When you pull out your scope, though, I got to stop talking about it. Because if you ever.
[144:47]
Ish
But when you can't.
[144:48]
Joe Budden
When you pull the scope out on talk to. Yeah, I play Scorpio. Big Scorpio vibes. Anyway, what do you guys think about Duke Dennis having children and women changing how they feel about you based on the amount of kids you have and the amount of baby mothers that you have?
[145:06]
Ish
Are men allowed to do that to them?
[145:08]
Mel
Oh, that's one, too. What do you mean? What do we think that he has kids? He has kids. Yes.
[145:13]
Joe Budden
Children.
[145:14]
Mel
The amount of children is, you know, that's the lifestyle that he's living.
[145:17]
Joe Budden
It became a tik tok trend. Girls started lying, saying they was his baby mama.
[145:20]
Mel
It's a life.
[145:21]
Joe Budden
And then some of the baby mamas came out and started talking about him as a parent, which I won't do, but it's become a thing is all I'm saying. I think it's hilarious.
[145:32]
Mel
The women turned on him online. They started taking.
[145:35]
Joe Budden
That's the part that makes it pictures.
[145:38]
Ish
Like I said, they found a picture.
[145:39]
Mel
Without a man without his glasses, trying to roast him and stuff like that.
[145:42]
Joe Budden
Yeah, they call it glasses fish.
[145:44]
Duke Dennis
It went viral. That went like 100 million views on that one picture.
[145:47]
Mel
Yeah, they was trying to do all that, man.
[145:48]
Joe Budden
I mean, he did look a little different without his glasses.
[145:52]
Mel
I mean, when you. Yo, listen, when you're younger and you and you inspire to be. To live a rock star lifestyle and you and you finally catch a moment, man, you just gonna live the lifestyle, whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent. You're just living a lifestyle. And now hopefully. Hopefully that this has came to the surface. He could re evaluate how he's treating the mother of his children.
[146:11]
Parks
If.
[146:12]
Joe Budden
Ladies, ladies, I will give y' all a piece of advice that my OG dollar deal gave me in 95. 96 when I used to see something fine and he would say, do you think you are the first gentleman to notice that she was fine?
[146:35]
Ish
Yeah.
[146:36]
Joe Budden
Nah.
[146:36]
Ish
Yeah.
[146:37]
Joe Budden
No, not her.
[146:38]
Duke Dennis
Not usually.
[146:38]
Joe Budden
Not that. That's fine. Somebody better had seen that before me. So she got a couple kids. She on Wick is run eating them Wick snacks, Juicy juice. So why do the girls think that they the first people to notice that this was fine? Somebody noticed before you and let him shoot it up like you would. So what the hell's the problem here?
[147:07]
Jeremy Hecht
I don't think there's necessarily a problem. I mean, I've definitely, you know, in the past found somebody attractive and then found out that they had like seven children. And Lord Jesus, you know, that's.
[147:20]
Joe Budden
You spam.
[147:21]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay. Found out that they had like seven children from five women. And I was. Was like, okay, pass. Doesn't really.
[147:31]
Duke Dennis
What would the number be like if.
[147:32]
Jeremy Hecht
It was three situation for me, if.
[147:34]
Duke Dennis
It was three, would that be okay?
[147:36]
Jeremy Hecht
Seven too much.
[147:37]
Duke Dennis
You love the guy three kids?
[147:39]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, no, no.
[147:39]
Ish
There's no.
[147:39]
Jeremy Hecht
There's no love yet. I've just. I've seen you, and I'm mildly interested.
[147:43]
Duke Dennis
Okay. Okay.
[147:44]
Joe Budden
And then how many kids is too many kids for a guy to date? Melissa Ford.
[147:47]
Duke Dennis
Yeah.
[147:48]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh. I mean, there's different variables now because.
[147:51]
Joe Budden
Of like I'm not asking back in the day.
[147:55]
Jeremy Hecht
At this stage of my life. I understand that men have probably had long term relationships and have children, but.
[148:01]
Joe Budden
They should be grown in a way now.
[148:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Hopefully. Hopefully. Cause if you got newborns or two years old. No, no, no, no, no. I prefer them to be like in their teens. I'd be a dope stepmom, but yeah.
[148:16]
Joe Budden
I wish you would walk through the house. My stepmom. You girl.
[148:27]
Duke Dennis
Your search history go crazy.
[148:31]
Joe Budden
What are you.
[148:33]
Jeremy Hecht
Mom's name is Parker.
[148:36]
Joe Budden
Genre. Oh, Lord.
[148:46]
Ish
Popular genre too.
[148:48]
Joe Budden
Word.
[148:49]
Flip
First thing that pops up usually. Unfortunately.
[148:51]
Joe Budden
Right. How did you get stuck under that table? But that's how I know that I need help. I think if Mel went home right now and started a YouTube channel pretending to be everyone's godmother, she's out of here.
[149:08]
Jeremy Hecht
Godmother or stepmother?
[149:10]
Flip
Stepmother is the genre.
[149:13]
Joe Budden
It got to be step mother discounts.
[149:17]
Ish
Dryer.
[149:17]
Joe Budden
We raising it up on this one.
[149:20]
Parks
In the sink under the bed.
[149:24]
Joe Budden
Yeah, Mel just. Where did I put the palace? Oh, here it is.
[149:31]
Parks
Here it is.
[149:32]
Mel
Catherine, she start watering the lawn and.
[149:38]
Jeremy Hecht
Some of that.
[149:38]
Joe Budden
I'm trying to tell you. I don't even want people piece.
[149:40]
Jeremy Hecht
Might have to try that out.
[149:42]
Joe Budden
I don't want a piece.
[149:43]
Jeremy Hecht
No, no.
[149:44]
Mel
I just can't give him half off on that one.
[149:45]
Joe Budden
I don't want peace.
[149:46]
Jeremy Hecht
Full price.
[149:47]
Mel
There you go, man.
[149:48]
Joe Budden
Oh, no, that. That got. Mel is not ambitious enough.
[149:52]
Mel
Nah, she nah.
[149:55]
Joe Budden
One to ten. Where do you think your ambition is? That's for the room too. Mel will start. Huh?
[150:00]
Jeremy Hecht
And I do have three questions for y' all too. I think it might be for Patreon though.
[150:03]
Joe Budden
No, fuck that. We having fun.
[150:05]
Parks
I might have to throw it.
[150:06]
Joe Budden
Wale's coming for Patreon.
[150:07]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, okay. How ambitious do I think that I. I am?
[150:10]
Joe Budden
I think I'm one to ten.
[150:13]
Jeremy Hecht
I think I'm like a seven.
[150:17]
Mel
Seven take away six in a pot. Seven take away six.
[150:21]
Joe Budden
Six in a pot. I give you six in a pot.
[150:23]
Mel
Flip nine.
[150:24]
Ish
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[150:28]
Joe Budden
Just be in the wrong. You be ambitious in the project. Just be in the wrong spot.
[150:32]
Mel
See my numbers is up, right?
[150:34]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I got you locked in. I don't.
[150:39]
Mel
You're doing when I'm talking all that I got an issue with. I'm going. Text you by later.
[150:42]
Joe Budden
28, boy.
[150:43]
Mel
Yeah, keep doing it.
[150:45]
Joe Budden
Queens fixed. Queen's fixed.
[150:51]
Parks
Queen. I'm a three, I'm telling you.
[150:56]
Flip
Right?
[150:57]
Jeremy Hecht
Why would you say you're a three?
[150:59]
Ish
I disagree With.
[150:59]
Jeremy Hecht
I really want to know. Why would you.
[151:01]
Mel
I don't think he's a three.
[151:01]
Ish
I don't think so either.
[151:02]
Jeremy Hecht
No. I feel like this answer is going to be fascinating. Go ahead.
[151:05]
Parks
No, I. I just think that most of the things that I could embark on or attempt to take advantage of. I don't.
[151:12]
Jeremy Hecht
Do you think it's because you're a procrastinator?
[151:14]
Mel
Is Dennis. He always doesn't fly to say I.
[151:17]
Joe Budden
Said disagree with that. Don't say embark.
[151:20]
Mel
Who the you think you talking to?
[151:22]
Joe Budden
Embarked on something.
[151:24]
Mel
Slap you Embark.
[151:25]
Joe Budden
Who you trying out of here?
[151:27]
Parks
That's.
[151:27]
Joe Budden
That's cool.
[151:28]
Mel
Don't sound cool.
[151:29]
Joe Budden
Pardon me.
[151:30]
Mel
Why are you a three?
[151:31]
Joe Budden
I love his honesty when he don't even care to change this.
[151:34]
Mel
He don't want. He got a thousand doors.
[151:37]
Joe Budden
No, my favorite part about it is, Yo, I'm 50. This is what it is. It ain't changing.
[151:43]
Mel
He reminded some Nana and them when Nana got old. Like, I just do what I want.
[151:47]
Joe Budden
Yo, I'm 50. I've been like this my whole life. It. It ain't changing. I'm up. Deal with it. I'm not with my uncle still. Like, I'm lit my ways Is my ways. Is my ways. Ice Freeze.
[152:00]
Ish
Ah. If you a three, I'm a two.
[152:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, I think you're. I think you're more like a six.
[152:06]
Mel
I don't think so, breeze.
[152:07]
Ish
I'm damn dead ass.
[152:08]
Joe Budden
Six. Seven.
[152:09]
Ish
I'm dead ass.
[152:10]
Mel
I used to run a two.
[152:11]
Joe Budden
Lie in front of the boss.
[152:13]
Mel
I used to run two. As far as ambitious? Yeah, absolutely. What's ambitious to you? The word.
[152:19]
Parks
You just out here striving to do way more stuff.
[152:22]
Mel
This nigga comes here on time. Nigga, he came on his day off.
[152:26]
Joe Budden
Bars in hell.
[152:27]
Ish
That ain't ambitious.
[152:28]
Joe Budden
He comes on time.
[152:30]
Ish
Coming to work on time.
[152:31]
Mel
He came here on his day off.
[152:32]
Parks
Nigga, do you think Ice could, if he wanted to, and he set his mind to it, jump into a whole bunch of other outside ventures?
[152:39]
Mel
Yes, and he has.
[152:41]
Ish
But I mean, commit, like, really as.
[152:43]
Parks
Many as he can commit to it. If he could have 10 on the table. If he could have 10, how many you think he'll pursue?
[152:48]
Mel
Okay, I get what you're saying. That's the Got it Answer.
[152:51]
Ish
That if I had, like, two.
[152:54]
Mel
Probably two.
[152:54]
Ish
Yeah, probably two.
[152:56]
Parks
Two out of ten.
[152:57]
Ish
And I know that, yo, I have opportunities now that I get at my. I get mad at myself.
[153:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, so let me. Let me hold up a second.
[153:04]
Joe Budden
We asked Ish why he's Answered procrastination. Why? For you.
[153:08]
Mel
He's in a soft man era.
[153:10]
Joe Budden
Yo let him in.
[153:12]
Mel
I just want to love a whole triple dad.
[153:31]
Joe Budden
He just lied. I want to hear.
[153:32]
Mel
Yeah, freak.
[153:34]
Ish
Honestly, I don't think I have the time and I know that sounds crazy. I know it sounds crazy.
[153:38]
Parks
I think it's for both. Both of us. I can't speak for him. I'm just going by my.
[153:43]
Jeremy Hecht
Let me give. Let me give.
[153:43]
Mel
Give you fear too.
[153:44]
Jeremy Hecht
Let me give you a definition.
[153:45]
Joe Budden
Fear.
[153:46]
Parks
Fear plays a part in it.
[153:47]
Joe Budden
Some part.
[153:48]
Parks
Fear plays a huge part.
[153:49]
Joe Budden
Fear of what though?
[153:50]
Parks
Success and failure.
[153:52]
Jeremy Hecht
Failure at the same time.
[153:53]
Parks
Yeah, I think. I think fears of success and failure play a part.
[153:58]
Ish
I don't have a fear of failure. I've tried and failed.
[154:00]
Parks
Maybe success.
[154:01]
Mel
I fear failing that I keep wanting to do more and more and more.
[154:05]
Jeremy Hecht
So I don't feel you are ambitious. An ambitious person is someone who is. Who has a strong desire for success, achievement and recognition. They are driven and motivated to reach their goals, often setting high standards for themselves. An ambition ambitious individual is determined and willing to work hard to achieve their aspirations.
[154:24]
Joe Budden
So yeah, I don't. I don't hear where he ambitious by that definition.
[154:29]
Parks
Me or flip.
[154:29]
Joe Budden
I thought you were talking about.
[154:31]
Parks
He said he.
[154:31]
Ish
No, I said. I said I'm not.
[154:32]
Joe Budden
I know but. But she said you are.
[154:35]
Jeremy Hecht
No, I was saying.
[154:36]
Parks
Oh, flip.
[154:37]
Joe Budden
Flip is not in question.
[154:38]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, Flip is in question.
[154:39]
Joe Budden
Jeremy.
[154:40]
Duke Dennis
I would say a 9. The only reason I wouldn't put myself at a 10 is like I'm not willing to sit there and do this 24 hours a day. I'm willing to do 15, 16. You know, most of my time goes towards advancing myself. What can I bring to the world? How can I use my gift to reach the highest heights I possibly can? Can. But I'm not willing to stream for 24 hours. You know, I still.
[155:04]
Joe Budden
You get to a 9.
[155:06]
Parks
He said the only reason it's not a 10 is because of scared.
[155:09]
Ish
Let me add. Let me add. Let me add real quick. The other reason why is because I'm not selfish enough.
[155:15]
Jeremy Hecht
That's true.
[155:17]
Ish
That's why I'm sitting here thinking about it. I put everybody else's in front of mine.
[155:22]
Jeremy Hecht
When it comes to. When it comes to ambitious, oftentimes ruthless selflessness is a company you.
[155:28]
Mel
But you know, with sex, in order to be successful, you.
[155:31]
Jeremy Hecht
You have to step on some necks.
[155:33]
Mel
I just learned that like you have to be selfish. You have in order to be successful. In order to get to the next level well, if you follow and abide by some principles and morals that you.
[155:41]
Flip
Live by, I wouldn't say have to. I would say it.
[155:44]
Ish
They go hand in hand.
[155:45]
Mel
Yeah, if you. Okay.
[155:50]
Flip
I think you also, like.
[155:51]
Mel
Come on, Paul, you know what I'm saying. May not be saying it right, but.
[155:56]
Flip
There'S such a thing as being too democratic.
[155:58]
Joe Budden
For sure.
[155:59]
Mel
There's a lot of times where someone.
[156:00]
Flip
Has to take the reins.
[156:01]
Mel
There's a lot of times where opportunity be right in front of you. And because you may like a person or this is my man, you won't take it. And when they take it, you're still behind. Oh, yeah, I've seen things like that.
[156:12]
Flip
I think a bigger thing is like, well, at least for me, is trying to bring other people along and.
[156:16]
Joe Budden
Did you say your number?
[156:18]
Flip
No. Lifetime scale? 110, right?
[156:21]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[156:21]
Flip
Now 15 today probably like a seven and a half.
[156:25]
Joe Budden
Eight. Got it, got it, got it. And. And tell me your number again. I forgot.
[156:29]
Jeremy Hecht
I said. I said seven because.
[156:31]
Joe Budden
Six.
[156:32]
Jeremy Hecht
No, I said seven.
[156:33]
Mel
He said.
[156:34]
Jeremy Hecht
He said I'm six and a pop.
[156:35]
Joe Budden
I was just talking.
[156:36]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, but I'm seven. Because in, in. In terms of like my scale of values, ambition isn't. I don't even know if it cracks top 10. 10. You know, there's so many other values that I place higher on the list. And in terms of peace, pretty privileged. I mean, maybe, maybe. But also I equate ambition with ruthlessness because of what I've witnessed. Being in this industry for 25 years, the most ambitious and the most, generally speaking, the most ambitious and successful people I've ever witnessed that were super driven, stepped on all the. Over them, like, just right on rungs on the ladder.
[157:18]
Ish
I ain't got to me to do that.
[157:19]
Flip
I disagree.
[157:20]
Jeremy Hecht
But it's just. And I just. The things that I've witnessed, I'm just like, success does not mean enough to me to do things like that.
[157:29]
Joe Budden
You know, been around a billionaire, but.
[157:31]
Parks
But see, see, that's one view. And she's right.
[157:35]
Joe Budden
And I based on her. I have another question in. And she has more questions for us.
[157:39]
Parks
So one more thing. Some people look at their success as being unselfish in that I'm doing all of these things for other people.
[157:48]
Jeremy Hecht
I get that.
[157:49]
Parks
You understand what I'm saying? Like, some people doing that shit for themselves in their own recognition and their own conceitedness or arrogance or whatever the case may be. Some people like, yo, I'm busting my ass and I'm selfless, so that all these other people that rely on me can have a better life than myself real quick. I know it depends on.
[158:05]
Ish
On what motivation. That's the ends justifying the means type of situation there. But in the moment, you have to be a little selfish. You have to, like, put the goal first. You have to. If I'm trying to become successful, I have to leave a little bit of shit behind. Like I said before, if I didn't. Like, I live where I live just because I'm closer to my daughter.
[158:26]
Joe Budden
If I didn't found out where you live, too. My mom told me.
[158:29]
Ish
I ain't hide it from y' all.
[158:30]
Joe Budden
But I didn't know you lived over there.
[158:32]
Ish
Yeah, boy, stop. Don't start.
[158:34]
Parks
Nice.
[158:34]
Joe Budden
Right?
[158:35]
Ish
All right, all right.
[158:35]
Joe Budden
And that's the new. I know. I know where you live. I'm coming over now. I didn't know that you was doing it like that. I'll be over there. The three bedrooms over there. No, no, that's the new one. The new one. New.
[158:50]
Parks
New.
[158:50]
Joe Budden
New. New. Yeah, that wasn't it when I grew up. Well, go ahead. You saying so.
[158:57]
Ish
Yeah, we live there.
[158:58]
Joe Budden
Of course, you know, I ain't know. My mom started over. I used to live right there. Say where? Oh, I'm driving over there. Are you crazy? That nigga in my hood. All right, go ahead.
[159:11]
Ish
But, yeah, you just. I just. You have to be selfish.
[159:14]
Joe Budden
My. My. My final question to y' all before I toss the mail to hear what she had to say specifically, y' all. Cause the number was low. Y' all don't have nobody that. That can push you through that or that you could lean on when you're not feeling so ambitious. Right. Like, sometimes I don't feel the greatest. And I could rely on Ian to fucking have a good month and pull. Wait till I get back in my. I could rely on my girl. Might push me sometimes. Hey, baby. Like, y' all don't have nobody to push you or recognize when you're not feeling so ambitious and try to help, or is that just a y' all thing?
[159:46]
Parks
Nah, I don't. To answer your question, I got people.
[159:49]
Joe Budden
That.
[159:51]
Parks
Definitely try and push me. I don't speak to them often enough.
[159:55]
Joe Budden
For the push to be effective. Yeah, got it.
[159:57]
Ish
I do. I do have a couple people, but honestly, they don't even.
[160:01]
Joe Budden
They don't know.
[160:01]
Ish
Yeah, they don't know.
[160:02]
Joe Budden
They have no idea. Got it. Got it. Big mail.
[160:05]
Jeremy Hecht
I have people, but they.
[160:07]
Joe Budden
No, I meant for your questions. You had. Oh, your number was high. I'm not Asking.
[160:10]
Duke Dennis
Wait, did you answer, Joe, what was your number one?
[160:13]
Ish
I'm gonna call me as soon as.
[160:14]
Joe Budden
He said hundreds, thousand, thousands. I. I refuse to even be limited to the nines and tens of this. You think that ambition wise? Oh, sure, for sure.
[160:24]
Ish
You think that's what now? I don't definitely. I don't think that at all.
[160:29]
Parks
I think now I don't even think it's a six.
[160:31]
Flip
I don't think that's fair. I think y' all are projecting what you want him to do as opposed to what he wants him to do.
[160:36]
Parks
Yeah, but. No, that's not. That's a but that's a part of it. If you see, this is the thing. The people that push you see something in you that you may not see in yourself. So. So to push you, I see I'm gonna just take it to some things that he said he wants to do. He ain't embark on them, and he right there and can do it, but he won't do it out of fear.
[160:58]
Joe Budden
Nah, you projecting.
[160:59]
Parks
No, I'm not.
[160:59]
Joe Budden
I think that's projecting.
[161:00]
Parks
No, I'm not.
[161:00]
Mel
Like I said, it's not my shit.
[161:02]
Joe Budden
No, no. I've sat here and said that I would try my hand to stand up comedy. I don't think. I'm not doing.
[161:08]
Parks
Why you ain't buy no real stuff yet? No. Why invest in real estate yet? Like develop on a bigger scale? It's a simple answer. This is a very simple answer.
[161:21]
Joe Budden
Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
[161:22]
Parks
Nobody knows it until you put step off the ledge. Nobody don't have enough knowledge to go.
[161:26]
Joe Budden
I don't think that speaks to my ambition because I'm buying a bunch of real estate. My portfolio looks amazing.
[161:30]
Parks
But never mind.
[161:32]
Joe Budden
It don't look like you saying you think it should look.
[161:35]
Parks
No, the things that you said you want. Want to do is what I'm saying. The that you buying is easy. It's effortless. It's effortless.
[161:44]
Joe Budden
I think that's.
[161:44]
Parks
It requires no effort.
[161:46]
Joe Budden
You needed the effort to make the money in order to buy the stuff.
[161:48]
Parks
No, but that's.
[161:50]
Joe Budden
That's. I think that's my point. I think that's privilege.
[161:52]
Parks
That's my point. It's like an athlete, right? You might make $50 million a year playing basketball. You put in the effort to get good enough at the craft of basketball to attain this amount of money. But you might say, yo, I want to go and learn how to do X, Y, and Z. You not necessarily taking the hours that it takes to Go learn X, Y, and Z. But the. The basketball is a layup for you. No, wait, but I'm.
[162:15]
Joe Budden
Wait, I'm with you. I'm with you here. But that's because my hours. It ain't like my hours. My hours are dedicated. I'm serious, though. Okay. I think that my hours today, most of them are dedicated to my collection goals.
[162:30]
Parks
One to ten. One to ten.
[162:31]
Ish
I think he's a seven.
[162:32]
Parks
Thank you. What he did yesterday. Thank you.
[162:34]
Ish
I'm.
[162:34]
Parks
I'm taking off you.
[162:35]
Ish
What he did yesterday. I know that he. That part of him, he could be.
[162:39]
Joe Budden
More ambitious, and that's a part of his.
[162:40]
Ish
His personality that he has to embrace.
[162:43]
Parks
I agree.
[162:44]
Joe Budden
That's a flaw. I don't even. That speaks to ambition.
[162:47]
Parks
You got to work on them. All of the flaws that we have in our personality. I'm shy by nature. The people that know me know I'm shy by nature. I don't talk strangers. I don't talk to people. Nigga, you gotta step outside of that personality trait that you have to get what you wanna get. And those things like what Corey is talking about, a million of them have come in your path, and you turn them down all the time.
[163:10]
Joe Budden
Yeah. I just don't look at it as a lack of information.
[163:12]
Ish
No, no, that's right.
[163:13]
Joe Budden
I'm ambitiously chasing something else, so I'm not doing that right now. But I understand what y' all are saying.
[163:19]
Mel
I don't really agree with that.
[163:20]
Joe Budden
And I don't know about ever get to a point, core, where. Where maybe I will. Let me.
[163:29]
Flip
Let me.
[163:30]
Joe Budden
Let me not say that, but can you. I did it. I went to Pride fix yesterday. I got on the jet. I went to the. They offered to pay. I said, no, we'll. We'll do it. I showed up. I sat in the middle like a fish in a fish tank. Everybody who was anybody was able to come say hello, shoot the shit. They were patronage. They were fans. They loved y' all. They loved me. They had stories. Some. Like when I was a rapper, and it was smile, and I'm not good at that. That's comfortable. I'm not comfortable.
[163:58]
Ish
The fact that. That's just.
[163:59]
Joe Budden
The fact that you did that is fire.
[164:01]
Duke Dennis
Yeah, that.
[164:01]
Joe Budden
That. You.
[164:02]
Ish
That ain't you.
[164:02]
Joe Budden
I can't say that I'll ever be comfortable with that, but I don't want.
[164:06]
Ish
To put a limit to what I.
[164:08]
Joe Budden
Would be comfortable at.
[164:09]
Ish
And you might get comfortable if blah.
[164:10]
Parks
Blah, blah, came out and said, yo, we want to give you 50 mil to do X, Y, and Z. This is a part of what we got to do. I want you to meet the.
[164:19]
Joe Budden
And if anybody out there would like to offer me 50 million to provide services to be uncomfortable, feel free to call brother Schwarzman and you'll be on 10 that day, cuz. Stephen A. Win crack. They kicked Michelle Beetle out of serious for Stephen A. And they got a little beef. So that's funny. But Stephen a. Just got 25mil annually from serious for his show to go on top of the hundred that he just got. So Stephen A. Might be at call Anthony town's money now, which I would be too, if Paul Rosenberg didn't have me blackballed. I'm serious. It's cool. The alternate route is a long one, but it'll get you to the same place. Congratulations to Stephen A. Smith and all you niggas out there getting a bag, running it up. I see y' all. I see y' all. Salute to y' all. Mel, your questions.
[165:17]
Jeremy Hecht
Well, when I was at the birthday dinner, you know, we kind of went around the table and, you know, just said a bunch of nice shit and stuff like that, but we asked each other some questions. I was like, huh? I'm gonna bring that to the guys on the pod because I feel like it will make you kind of introspective, but also kind of allow yourself to congratulate yourself if, you know, whatever. So one of the questions was, what are you most proud of having happened this year so far? We're like, halfway through the year. So the three questions were, where do you think? Where do you see room for improvement? What are you most looking forward to this year? Or has it already happened? Happened? And what are you most proud of yourself for having done or completed this year?
[166:02]
Joe Budden
Three part question.
[166:04]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, kind of sort of. Yeah.
[166:06]
Joe Budden
What are we most proud of?
[166:07]
Jeremy Hecht
What do we. What are you most proud of? Where do you see room for improvement? And what are you most looking forward to? Or has it already happened? And what was it?
[166:19]
Joe Budden
I'm most proud of? I'll start and give you all time to think. I'm. I'm probably most proud of. Of my kids today. Like, that's probably where it's funny. I just had that talk with my dad this morning where he was like, yeah, man, I need to go make a run. But I was like, dad, you can go anywhere that you want in the world. Like, it's fine. I know you think it's. But you could pick anywhere in the world and just go like, I got you. And he said, Joey, it ain't even about that. Like, my joy today is for my kids, and one day you'll understand that. And I said to him, I'm already there, so I feel you. But just watching my sons gain understanding or lose understanding of the world and humans and people, that's probably what I'm most proud of. Where I could improve. 10, 11 years. 12 years into this parting thing, I could still learn when to shut the up. Watching y' all. Watching y' all. Oh, that's introspective. Don't snicker. Take it out on your future episode. I will take it out on you on a future episode.
[167:26]
Ish
Seven episodes down the line just come in firing.
[167:29]
Joe Budden
But no, on the. On the playback. And we've been adding mics. It's been a rotating cast for the most part. And how you show up is. Should. How I show up shouldn't be the same in each instance. And I'm still working on that so I can improve in that. What was the. What was the final question?
[167:45]
Jeremy Hecht
No. Where. Where do you. Where. What.
[167:48]
Duke Dennis
What are you most looking forward to?
[167:49]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, what are you most looking forward to?
[167:51]
Joe Budden
Talk. Essay. Just know. You're gonna know, actually.
[167:58]
Ish
Hey, there'll be signs there.
[167:59]
Joe Budden
There will be signs. I can't. I can't say. But there is something I'm pretty much looking forward to.
[168:04]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[168:05]
Joe Budden
Should be soon. Any day.
[168:12]
Duke Dennis
You will everyone know what it is when it happens, though.
[168:14]
Mel
They'll be like, jo, hey, hey, Jeremy.
[168:18]
Joe Budden
Heck, he a. There will be no denying what's going on in a couple. No, no. I'mma try to lie too. I am going to try to lie, but pay into it. Yalls, Go.
[168:38]
Jeremy Hecht
Flip, go.
[168:42]
Mel
What am I most proud of? My family.
[168:43]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[168:44]
Mel
My family is what I'm most proud of.
[168:47]
Joe Budden
How they let you move around.
[168:49]
Mel
What's the second one?
[168:51]
Joe Budden
Oh, that was the short answer.
[168:54]
Mel
No. My family. My family is what I'm most proud of, man.
[168:56]
Joe Budden
What do you need to improve?
[168:57]
Mel
See, hold on. We can chill out now. Watching my daughter become the woman that she's growing up to be. That she doesn't let my behavior influence her things. Thinking just how she just thinks on her own and stands on her own. And she's willing to check me on something just as a 15 year old turning 16 when she's like, daddy, you bugging. That means a lot to me watching my son JR just be around me every step of the way. Even though he wants to live his life, but just still making a sacrifice. Watch your mouth. He does have a choice. Still making A sacrifice that he makes. And just Nico being a badass kid. That's remind me of myself, you know, Nico's bad. Yeah. He said pause to you. What was the second one?
[169:39]
Jeremy Hecht
Mel? Room for improvement.
[169:40]
Mel
Room for improvement. Just being. Listening more. Listening more. Not thinking I'm a know it all. Willing to take advice. Being more willing to just get more understanding. I mean, we protect what we create. But even with that protection, there is some flaws in the creation. If you are in a bubble. A lot of times I'm in a bubble creating without having, you know, getting outside forces. So I really want to listen more.
[170:07]
Joe Budden
He's right.
[170:08]
Mel
Cause you don't listen to me and get comfortable. I started to Lil Wayne. I started to. I started to listen to you. I made some moves. Me and you had a talk last week. I made some moves. As soon as you had a talk with me about the studio. I made some moves.
[170:20]
Joe Budden
I'm talking to you. You do listen to me, so.
[170:21]
Mel
Yeah, so I'm listening.
[170:22]
Joe Budden
Not to have Imani coming to know more of that shit.
[170:25]
Mel
Oh, Imani down me forever. I love Imani.
[170:27]
Joe Budden
I'm sorry, I. Y' all too.
[170:28]
Mel
Yeah, I love Imani.
[170:30]
Ish
Whatever I got to do to keep money locked in.
[170:33]
Mel
Yeah. And what's the third one?
[170:34]
Jeremy Hecht
What are you most looking forward to?
[170:36]
Mel
I'm looking forward into taking the flip your view and what I'm doing just to the next. To the next level with Junior just, just being the father and son duo and actually getting him on the camera to get me comfortable and putting my family in front of the camera next. You know, when I. When I turn 40, I just. I just want to switch things things up. So these next two years is very important to me when it comes to working. So I'm looking forward to where it's going. Stability.
[171:01]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Shut the up.
[171:04]
Mel
Shut the. Yo, that's financial abuse. That's like financial mental abuse, yo. Like I'll be doing that Junior.
[171:12]
Joe Budden
Yeah, right. Stability.
[171:14]
Mel
Stability, right.
[171:15]
Joe Budden
Yeah. Feel good.
[171:17]
Mel
You do. And yeah, that's what you.
[171:22]
Parks
For this year.
[171:24]
Mel
I said the year.
[171:25]
Parks
Nah. Cause she said, what are you proud of this year? So y' all took it a little bit to.
[171:31]
Mel
Cause, you know, you don't like to get into your Fort Knox business.
[171:35]
Parks
This year. Professionally, a couple acquisitions I made are dope. Long term.
[171:44]
Mel
Acquisitions. Gonna change what, 2000. Using that word, acquisitions. That boy got them doors. He got the yeehaw.
[171:52]
Parks
Stop, man.
[171:52]
Mel
You bought a horse.
[171:56]
Joe Budden
Little merger. Mergers and acquisitions, right? Little M and A, M and A. We got to talk, man. You Know that's overdue. Leave alone.
[172:09]
Parks
Improvement. I could get out of my own way with regards to some of that. Like the ambitious or embarking on new. Attempting new shit. I could get out my own way with that kind of sabotaging some of the shit I could be getting into where I'm going. I just had some good meetings. I think I'm gonna push.
[172:34]
Joe Budden
Did you take off to have him? Uh, okay. I gotta edit. Cause I see him. I see him. He trying to. Yeah.
[172:42]
Mel
I mean, you can't say that to people.
[172:45]
Joe Budden
This guy's an idiot.
[172:47]
Parks
No, I, I, I, I had some good meetings. I think some. Some bigger development is on the horizon, so that's dope. But. And that's where I want to be, in that lane, so I think that's dope. I think that's promising.
[172:59]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, It's a good chance.
[173:01]
Joe Budden
All right. Give us some advance notice, though.
[173:03]
Parks
For what?
[173:04]
Joe Budden
Before it pops off.
[173:05]
Parks
I don't gotta go nowhere.
[173:06]
Joe Budden
Let us. No, no.
[173:08]
Duke Dennis
Like, what you just did. Did, like, couple days.
[173:11]
Parks
I wouldn't do that anyway. But yeah, that's not why. But I'm not going to.
[173:14]
Joe Budden
Hey, Jeremy. I keep an eye on him.
[173:16]
Parks
I'm good.
[173:16]
Joe Budden
Thank you for that guy right there, Breeze.
[173:21]
Ish
Most proud of him.
[173:22]
Joe Budden
Bonding.
[173:22]
Ish
And I want to use the same an.
[173:33]
Parks
So that's why I a do it.
[173:34]
Ish
I am, I am. But it is. It is family for me. Y' all know that's my. What you said soft, nigga. Whatever, Paul.
[173:40]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[173:43]
Ish
Whatever. Yeah, my baby graduates next week, so I'm gonna be up there crying like a. We got two of our kids graduating next week, so. Yeah, I'm proud of that. Like, getting them through the school year and smart as hell, kid.
[174:00]
Joe Budden
Tell a story. Oh, shit.
[174:03]
Ish
Yeah, I'll tell it after this. Where I could improve is.
[174:11]
Joe Budden
All over the place.
[174:12]
Ish
No, you up. You up. Where I can improve. Seriously. Taking more initiative. Yo, I got a lot of opportunities that come right to me, and I just. Because it means I'm gonna miss time from doing this or being there for my family or being here. I let slide and I, I again, it's back to that selfishness. Stop putting everybody else before me.
[174:36]
Parks
I'm.
[174:37]
Ish
I'm really trying to work on that.
[174:39]
Joe Budden
Listening to y' all. It sound like if y' all ambition level wasn't at a three, y' all would be out of here.
[174:45]
Ish
I know, I know for sure.
[174:46]
Joe Budden
That's what it sounds like. Like, I'm off. I'm bugging. Sound like y' all got a lot of Opportunities coming your way. Yeah. Be careful.
[174:55]
Parks
No, yeah, but when you say out of here, you mean out of here.
[175:00]
Joe Budden
Or out of here?
[175:00]
Ish
No, I mean out of here. No, I'm here. But was it that stupid?
[175:09]
Jeremy Hecht
What are you most looking forward to right now?
[175:13]
Ish
Graduation next week. I'm sorry. I'm going be happy as about that, bro.
[175:16]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, that's fair.
[175:20]
Joe Budden
Jeremy and Parks, unfortunately, we're get shorted for time because we took so long.
[175:24]
Flip
I don't even want to participate in this. Really. I don't like to dwell in the past, so I'm proud of everything that I do and everything. I'm mostly proud of what my friends and family members are doing, more so than my own personal accomplishments because I'm always going to work hard and that's kind of that dope.
[175:39]
Duke Dennis
Yeah, I'm proud of this skincare routine, this skincare routine my girls got me on. I'm like 10 days in, feel like my shit's glowing a little. Just a little. I don't know how the cameras make it look.
[175:50]
Joe Budden
You look good.
[175:50]
Duke Dennis
Thank you, thank you. But no, I am extremely proud to be here today. I'm not just saying that because all you guys are here. Obviously that helps. But I remember like seven, eight years ago, listening to the podcast on the way to an internship that I hated being like, this is what I look forward to every morning, you know, every day. And to be here literally in the moment, having a conversation, God is great. So I'm very proud of myself for that.
[176:19]
Joe Budden
Thank you.
[176:19]
Flip
Salute to us.
[176:23]
Duke Dennis
Yeah. And I could improve on being more. The same work that I do for others and the same energy I put into others, putting it into myself. I feel like I've helped build a lot of people up, a lot of companies up, a lot of brands, a lot of channels up. And I've done a lot for a lot of people. And when it comes to me, I always push it off. And I'm like, ah, you know, I don't need to do that for myself. That video can wait. That my YouTube channel can wait. Whatever it may be for myself can wait. And so I think putting more energy into me and I know like what you guys have done, what you've done, Joe, with your, you know, enterprise, your network is super inspiring. So more, more energy into me and then, yeah, looking forward to whatever, whatever the rest of the year brings.
[177:04]
Joe Budden
Thank you, man. Make some noise for Jeremy Elliot is taking care of you over there with the uproxx.
[177:10]
Duke Dennis
Yeah. Everybody, it was the first time.
[177:11]
Joe Budden
Let's pocket watch for A little bit now?
[177:13]
Duke Dennis
No, it was the first time in a long time when Uproxx took over Hip Hop dx, where, you know, shout out to my boss, Jared and Elliot, they just saw what I was doing and they said, go. Cause before that it was a lot of, you know, stay over there, stay in your lane. You know, you could do that little thing over there, but you don't get to.
[177:29]
Joe Budden
When. I don't care about that. When. When do you. When do you get to re. Approach in the negotiations?
[177:35]
Duke Dennis
So I'm. I'm technically on a work visa. I'm Canadian, as you know, so I didn't know. Oh, you.
[177:41]
Joe Budden
I had no idea.
[177:42]
Duke Dennis
Oh, yeah, so I'm from Winnipeg, Canada, actually.
[177:44]
Joe Budden
Okay. Get down here.
[177:45]
Duke Dennis
Yeah, so, you know, they're. They're. They're helping me, you know, stay in the country. And H1B. I'm on H1B right now currently, you know.
[177:51]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah, you know, that was the one I was on.
[177:53]
Duke Dennis
Yeah. So, you know.
[177:56]
Joe Budden
Yo, I asked him about his work contract and he started telling me about his work visa.
[178:03]
Mel
Cuz, he's not. He's smart.
[178:04]
Joe Budden
He's smart, he's smart, he's smart.
[178:06]
Parks
Yo, we good.
[178:08]
Duke Dennis
Very thankful to be in the country right now. And you know, in the future, maybe there'll be some renegotiations, but right now, very happy.
[178:15]
Joe Budden
Oh, no, you got to go get with Julian now.
[178:17]
Mel
Hell, you body did it.
[178:20]
Parks
Oh, man. Get out. Get out there in that.
[178:22]
Joe Budden
Boy, Shut up.
[178:25]
Mel
Stop the Jeremy and Julian show. He did the reverse. Did the reverse.
[178:31]
Joe Budden
Wait a second. I got immature. All right. That's dope. All right. What else? What else is important? What else needs our attention in here? Let's see. Timberland signs, the AI Artists. I don't know if y' all care about that. No, let's talk about the people Pacers.
[178:46]
Parks
You don't.
[178:46]
Ish
Okay.
[178:47]
Parks
You don't say what? Shout out to the Pacers.
[178:51]
Joe Budden
No. Yeah. I ain't coming to make jokes. I ain't coming to make no joke. Listen. Shout out to the Pacers. Halberton does it again. I left that game at halftime, cuz I'm leaving prize picks in Atlanta. So I'm trying to get home, but the shock on my face when Keeb shows me the final score. Score. And the Pacers won in the first half. They had 19 turnovers. I think the line that I saw was 16 and a half for the game. They just didn't look the greatest in the first half. But the Thunder were never able to take off. It was always an 11 to 13. I think it ballooned to 15 at one point, but they were never able to take off. And as a Knick fan, I've seen that movie before, so it was eerily similar to game one of the Knicks. As a Knick fan, I'm also validated that they went and did that to the Thunder. I don't, I don't know if Tibbs feels the same. I know he cursing somebody out right now, but. Shout out to the Pacers, they've won game one in every series. So. And the line was nine and a half. People were expecting a Thunder blowout. But. So congratulations to the Pacers. I want to start with that. Secondly, I think the NBA is doing a horrendous job with the Finals and that's outside of small market teams.
[180:10]
Parks
How so? It's only been one game.
[180:12]
Joe Budden
I don't care. I wouldn't give a.
[180:15]
Parks
No, explain.
[180:16]
Joe Budden
Finals is your final, right? So I mean, if you old enough to remember the NBA on NBC and what they did for the Finals, you would damn near see a monologue for each team and their journey to get to the final Finals. They don't do that anymore. Fine. Maybe I was busy in prize picks. I didn't see player intros that resembled the Finals. They didn't have NBA Finals written on the court like my entire life. That. That was special. That was special. When I saw them, they did not. I'm positive.
[180:51]
Parks
And you know what? They didn't even have it on the jerseys.
[180:53]
Joe Budden
I'll take it a step further. They didn't put the Larry o' Brien trophy in the middle of center court like they started doing. It is inexcusable for playing games courts to look better than NBA Finals courts. Yeah, I don't think there's an excuse for that. Adam Silva's doing a horrific job with how the Finals are being presented, how the Finals are being covered. They not treating this like the creme de la creme of your sport. And I just think it's a mistake that's outside of the small market. I get that you got your YouTube money, so maybe you don't really get give a. But the Finals is a big deal. And if it ain't, you should make it look like a big deal.
[181:31]
Flip
It should look like a big deal.
[181:32]
Parks
No, it's a big deal.
[181:32]
Joe Budden
That's, that's, that's what I got for that. Congratulations to the Pacers. They've made this a series for the people that thought it wouldn't be one. And I'm a Believer Tyler Haliburton. I mean, Tyrese Halliburton. 4 for 5 on tying or go ahead baskets in the clutch. In just this postseason, none of us have ever seen anything like that. So I think it's time to. To get them some props. And I'm. I'm here to do so.
[181:54]
Parks
I. I told people from the rip. I said that I did think OKC was going to take the series, but I still think that I didn't think it was going to be a layup for them. Like, I think Indiana matches up pretty well with them outside of the bigs. I think Indiana is just as quick as them. They defend the bigs.
[182:10]
Joe Budden
Wasn't on the court for that final offensive possession for the Thunder. You. And I agree with that. That was a mistake. Shea shot that shot. There was nobody to get a reboot. Rebounds?
[182:18]
Parks
No. Nothing.
[182:18]
Joe Budden
Yep.
[182:19]
Parks
I think that. I think that Indiana is just as deep, if not deeper. I think Indiana defends well and they shoot the three. Well. A lot of them could shoot the three. And that was the thing that I said.
[182:30]
Flip
Well, they got a little more grit, too.
[182:32]
Joe Budden
Yeah. I said that the Thunder had some of that cavalier in them where they. A young team, so you're going to expect them to resemble a young team.
[182:42]
Parks
At a super superstar.
[182:44]
Joe Budden
Yo. The Pacers had 25 turnovers. The Thunder had 11 points off them. You're not gonna win like that. You're not gonna win.
[182:50]
Parks
And the Pacer shot amazingly, and the Thunder didn't shoot well. So even though they were getting all these turnovers, they still were shooting a shitty percentage at the half. Like, they weren't up by amazing, you know what I mean? At the half, the game looked like it was a runaway, but it really, really, really wasn't. I think that coaching is gonna come out to play it in this series.
[183:12]
Joe Budden
More than I think Carlisle did it again. Carl. Carl, he coached the. Of a game in the. In the. In the timeout. He said, yo, you get the defensive rebound. I'm not calling the timeout even though they had one. We just running this. And you see Halberton begging for the ball. Went to the right, got to a sweet spot mid range, hit the mid. He got the bucket.
[183:31]
Parks
Like, I was watching that live. I couldn't believe it. I watched a whole live. I didn't. Y' all had to pee. I was just sitting there like, I'm gonna hold it. Like, this is some bullshit. They not gonna do it again. Cause at one point it was just 10, 11, 10, 11. They couldn't break 10. You know what I'm saying? The fourth quarter was just 10 points. 10 points. 10 points. They shot a three to cut it to seven. I was like, okay, it's something different now. So I think Indiana deserves all the kudos in the world.
[183:57]
Joe Budden
All the kudos in the world. I'm blaming the fucking stupid ass players in the league for coach calling this the most overrated. The most, the most, the most overrated. And when we gotta go see about the dude. No, seriously, there's something to be said about that. After I order this stromboli. Let me play. Let me play.
[184:17]
Duke Dennis
I thought you were looking at stats. Like, I thought you were out there looking at player stats.
[184:21]
Joe Budden
I'm trying to time the food to get here at a certain time. No, let me, let me play this clip because again, I enjoy, I enjoy Halliburton when he speaks and, and he finally got honest after they stole game one. And I like people talking about his voice keeps changing. I like that too. Where's my Halliburton clip? Like to hear it? Here it go. After you have a run like last year, then you get swept in Eastern Conference finals. He's just keeping it a beam right now. Conversation is about is how you don't belong there and how you luck them to get there and that it was a fluke. Guys are going to be pissed off. We're going to spend the summer pissed off. And then you come into the year with all the talk around, how was a fluke? You have an unsuccessful first couple months and now that's easy for everybody to clown you and talk about you in a negative way. We take everything personal, like as a group. It's not just me. It's. It's everybody, you know, I feel like that's the DNA of this group. And that's not just me. That's our coaching staff. Does a great job of making us aware of what's being said, us as players. We talk about in the locker room, we talk about it on the plane. We're a young team, so we probably spend more time on social media than we should. But I just think we do a great job of taking things personal and that gives this group more confidence, you know, and we turn things around in January, which you guys know, and we just stuck with it. Really proud of this. We just all got each other's back and then at every, every point. Shut up, nigga.
[185:58]
Parks
Shit sounded great, right?
[186:00]
Joe Budden
He's absolutely right.
[186:02]
Duke Dennis
Inspiring.
[186:02]
Joe Budden
Hearing him explain that like makes sense. You totally get it. I like, I like That I like that. Also before I toss to my distinguished cast the fall off of Doris Burke as an announcer needs to be slightly studied. Stop, Joe.
[186:17]
Duke Dennis
She's a goat though.
[186:18]
Parks
She's a.
[186:19]
Joe Budden
Come on dog.
[186:20]
Jeremy Hecht
What happened?
[186:21]
Joe Budden
If y' all don't want to have the talk, we don't have to have to talk.
[186:22]
Parks
Nah, cuz, I. I just.
[186:23]
Joe Budden
There's not. There's nobody that's a bigger Doris Burke fan than me.
[186:26]
Parks
I love Doris Burke. Yo.
[186:27]
Joe Budden
She's been horrendous this offseason. I mean this playoffs. If you keep talking, I'mma find clips. She has been absolutely horrendous this off season. I mean it's this player.
[186:40]
Parks
Why do I keep saying I've seen her a few times. I don't know if unnecessarily.
[186:43]
Joe Budden
Look, they made the announcement. Doris Burke not guaranteed to return elite ESPN's top broadcasting team in 25, 26. You don't say that.
[186:51]
Parks
She older.
[186:53]
Ish
I. I ain't watch much of it.
[186:56]
Joe Budden
Here we go. Hold up much about and there's contact on the elbow.
[187:00]
H
This is why he's called the free throw merchant.
[187:03]
Joe Budden
Every player in the league can do they lit up for that. This is from the Wolves and Thunder series. That's not the one that went for Here we go about history. But I know the French and German don't like one another. And rudy says boo Mr. Hartenstein. Have a little bit of that left handed dunk much about.
[187:22]
Parks
I was watching the game when she.
[187:23]
Jeremy Hecht
Said that German don't like one another.
[187:25]
Joe Budden
And Rudy says Bonjour Mr. Har Stein. Have a little bit of that left handed.
[187:30]
Duke Dennis
Have a little bit of that left hand.
[187:32]
Joe Budden
Let me tell you what the advertisers probably didn't want to hear while they were watching the the. The finals.
[187:37]
Parks
Bo.
[187:37]
Joe Budden
The French and the the Germans don't like like each other.
[187:42]
Flip
That's no picky.
[187:44]
Joe Budden
No it ain't. No, it is not.
[187:47]
Flip
I don't think that was horrible. It was a little corny.
[187:49]
Ish
I was watching. Yeah.
[187:49]
Joe Budden
I was watching in particular will cost her her broadcasting job. That one line and that presentation of a basketball play is going to cost her her entire fired. Y' all. Are you crazy? You kidding? That is not how we present.
[188:04]
Flip
What's so bad about that?
[188:06]
Joe Budden
It's horrendous basketball coverage. We not then mad at these announcements.
[188:14]
Flip
Be having some cringy.
[188:15]
Parks
Yeah.
[188:15]
Flip
Reggie Miller's been having cringy a bunch of for 20 years doing that.
[188:20]
Joe Budden
That. That's offended anybody. Like do we need to get into race War wars now. Race wars in a basketball. Hey, let's see if she's back next year. I'm not, but it might not be because of that. But she has not been. This has not been her greatest display.
[188:36]
Parks
That's possible. I. I just love Doris Burke, but.
[188:39]
Flip
Me too.
[188:40]
Joe Budden
She's replacing Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy.
[188:43]
Parks
I know they should have never fired Van Gundy being cheap.
[188:46]
Joe Budden
Well, I'd like Jeff Van Gundy to be a Knicks coach candidate. So. So I'm a. Shut up. Anyway, back to y' all and. And y' all. What y' all thought about the game? The finals?
[188:54]
Parks
No, I just thought. I thought. I thought. To be honest with you, I think these NBA playoffs have been amazing.
[189:00]
Flip
They really have.
[189:01]
Parks
I think these NBA playoffs have been. You can see the parody in the teams. Usually it wasn't that many. Just runaway series with sweeps and shit. Even most of the favorites lost to underdogs. Indiana was the underdog to Cleveland.
[189:18]
Joe Budden
When you say the playoffs have been amazing, I don't think that applies for the white Western Conference. I can see how you say that on the East.
[189:25]
Parks
I disagree.
[189:25]
Joe Budden
The Thunder got. They injured John Morant. So we had a John Morant list first round. Yeah, that Denver series was impeccable.
[189:35]
Parks
Denver series went to seven was amazing.
[189:37]
Joe Budden
They. They made quick work of the Wolves and now we'll see how this goes.
[189:43]
Parks
But Wolves, Clippers.
[189:46]
Flip
Who.
[189:46]
Parks
The Clippers lost to the Wolves.
[189:48]
Joe Budden
Right?
[189:49]
Flip
Yeah, that Clippers lost.
[189:52]
Parks
Clippers long to differ. You are correct.
[189:56]
Joe Budden
Right.
[189:58]
Parks
I think the Clippers were an amazing team in the Western Conference. I had them high up there. It's just unfortunately they ran into a buzz saw. But I think the Clippers were good. I think the Wolves were good. I think in a bunch of these series there was just. It wasn't blah. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't a blah.
[190:15]
Flip
There's a reason.
[190:15]
Joe Budden
Watch.
[190:16]
Parks
Outside of the Lakers, and I'm a Laker fan, I didn't think the Lakers had a chance at winning. But outside of that, I thought that everybody played exceptionally well. And I think it was a bunch of close, close, close games. It was about a few blowouts. But I think overall the series is.
[190:30]
Flip
Were a lot of crazy comebacks.
[190:31]
Duke Dennis
Yeah, I'm just Guy Pascal Siakam is getting the love he deserves. Former Raptor. He was getting on for a long time.
[190:37]
Parks
They were highly underrated.
[190:40]
Duke Dennis
They were saying he was. Didn't develop enough, he's not a superstar. And he.
[190:43]
Joe Budden
I blame the commentators for that too.
[190:45]
Parks
Highly.
[190:45]
Joe Budden
The commentators Said that Sekum should. Should be a first option, but he failed at that, so he needs to learn how to be a better second option. Right when they was about to play the next.
[190:59]
Parks
Wait right here.
[191:00]
Joe Budden
All right. And then he went 42 on you, like Mike said.
[191:05]
Ish
And then I took that person.
[191:06]
Joe Budden
That was enough.
[191:07]
Parks
That was enough.
[191:09]
Joe Budden
Siakam is balling. I'm happy for Miles Turner. That Nimhart cross dribble. Tween, tween.
[191:15]
Parks
No, no, no.
[191:16]
Joe Budden
Jab back up.
[191:17]
Parks
Let me hit you with it again. Yeah, yeah, step back.
[191:20]
Joe Budden
See, that's the problem with the bases. Nimhart gonna turn into Kyrie at the end of the game, too, and hit some shots that he just is like, what the. What the?
[191:28]
Parks
On the man after. Y' all got a little pushing match going because. Cause they both from Canada, too. Yep, they both from Canada. So it was one play where Nimhard fouled Shai and Shea pushed him. Nimhard walked to the foul line and pushed him back. He's going to shoot foul. Fuck you talking about?
[191:44]
Joe Budden
Also having nothing to do with basketball. That SGA post game, whatever he was wearing was tucked in, but you seen it still. It was a lot going on up under that shirt.
[191:56]
Mel
I ain't see it.
[191:57]
Joe Budden
And he had the pearls going across. He looked like somebody that's starting to.
[192:01]
Flip
Sound a little Beasleyish.
[192:02]
Parks
That's how you want. You want to dress like sga, yo. I think if you had it.
[192:06]
Joe Budden
You want to dress like SGA is one of the best dresses.
[192:09]
Parks
You want to be him on the low.
[192:11]
Joe Budden
He looked like somebody that had 700 million a year in the future on his radar, which is what they're talking about. Rumored for his supermax eventually.
[192:21]
Duke Dennis
He's a 10 on the ambition scale.
[192:24]
Joe Budden
He's 6. Halliburton is going to pay for that. That cute he did last night when SGA came back.
[192:30]
Flip
Maybe something against the Knicks, too. I'm not counting the end.
[192:35]
Joe Budden
I'm not counting him out. Yo, he not after what I saw last night.
[192:38]
Parks
He and Jalen Brunson that fourth quarter. You can't take nothing away from Jalen.
[192:43]
Ish
Brunson in the fourth.
[192:45]
Parks
You'd be like a mother again. Halliburton is different in that fourth quarter, bro.
[192:49]
Joe Budden
Yo, Nick, fans out there. I'm gonna say this in closing. I know we still distraught over the Tibs firing. It's a lot of rumors going around and false misinformation being spread, some of which says that Rick Brunson players are unhappy with Rick Brunson. And want him removed from the team. And some of y' all fans is pumping that up. I'm here to tell you, grave mistake. Grave, grave mistake. Pumping that up. Up to the best contract in the NBA. If he go to his son's bedroom and talk and then he demand a trade, everybody going to.
[193:24]
Parks
Don't let a tear fall, dog.
[193:26]
Joe Budden
What the is wrong with these niggas? Y' all bark up that tree. That tree will fall on you.
[193:32]
Parks
Yo, I just don't like the way they was treating me son.
[193:35]
Joe Budden
Rick Brunson. Y' all want Rick Brunson removed? All right, all right. It's going to be him and his kid. And I'mma come in here every point, go guard that has played for the Knicks in the last 25 years.
[193:47]
Parks
And his son is college homies with the other three.
[193:51]
Joe Budden
They added it, too. Yeah, the college homies is out. What, for the back of Villanova Reclass?
[193:55]
Parks
Yeah.
[193:57]
Joe Budden
And anyway, that's my. That's my sports report. I don't have anything else in sports.
[194:02]
Ish
I got one thing that it pains me to.
[194:04]
Parks
Yeah, right.
[194:06]
Flip
Welcome to Pittsburgh.
[194:07]
Ish
Yeah, right. What? Yeah. I don't want that nigga there. I've been saying this from day one.
[194:11]
Joe Budden
You don't want Mason Rudolph starting.
[194:13]
Ish
Yeah, fam. I don't want Aaron Rodgers. I never. I told y' all last year.
[194:18]
Jeremy Hecht
I did say that.
[194:19]
Ish
I've been saying that.
[194:22]
Flip
It'S the best option right now outside of.
[194:24]
Ish
Yeah. Because of all the that y' all done to lead us up to this. It is the best option. Now you left yourself with no other option.
[194:30]
Parks
One thing that could do.
[194:31]
Flip
You could still sling the rock a little bit. I'll be curious to see.
[194:35]
Joe Budden
I think you have a good year.
[194:36]
Parks
Yeah, me too.
[194:36]
Ish
I hope, I hope, I hope they do.
[194:38]
Parks
I don't know how his leadership is.
[194:39]
Flip
Going to be really, really curious. Cuz he does things his way as we evidence right down the street. And Tomlin does not play that.
[194:47]
Joe Budden
If he's there in the 10th round of my fantasy, I'm getting him as a backup 10th. Cuz I think will play with him and leave him.
[194:54]
Parks
Yeah.
[194:54]
Joe Budden
About 10 quarterbacks if he's there. That backup quarterback position is very important in fantasy for when your starter want to act cute or go get.
[195:04]
Parks
No, your backup want to turn up.
[195:06]
Joe Budden
Get crazy. Yeah.
[195:07]
Parks
When your backup be. What's my man from Minnesota? Kirk Cousins. Oh, you start getting Kirk Cousins as your number two and he start acting.
[195:16]
Joe Budden
Like a one A Sam Darnold be doing that too.
[195:19]
Parks
Talking about.
[195:19]
Joe Budden
Yeah, he'd be going off on some backup. That run Joe Flacco had with Cleveland, somebody.
[195:25]
Flip
He went crazy.
[195:26]
Joe Budden
He was lighting me up. Good wave of wire. Pick that up. That is our sports report. We have yet to delve into Trump.
[195:33]
Ish
And real quick, what do y' all think about the NBA All Star Game next year being USA versus the world instead of East West?
[195:41]
Duke Dennis
I'm cheering for world.
[195:42]
Parks
That's fire.
[195:43]
Jeremy Hecht
I think that.
[195:43]
Flip
I think it's.
[195:44]
Jeremy Hecht
They needed to do something because everybody was bored. As with the All Star Game. Nobody cared.
[195:49]
Joe Budden
They tried everything else.
[195:50]
Parks
They did. That's fine.
[195:51]
Joe Budden
So now they got a tug on your pride.
[195:54]
Jeremy Hecht
That's up patriotism.
[195:55]
Joe Budden
And I just think, listen, I understand trying to come up with something new.
[196:00]
Flip
So I would be tired if we get cooked, though.
[196:02]
Joe Budden
I don't think Adam Silver has watched the foreign players during All Star Weekend.
[196:06]
Flip
That's true. Yeah.
[196:09]
Joe Budden
I totally disagree with you in parts. Them foreign, with the exception of a few of them, they don't give a fuck about All Star Weekend. It's egregious.
[196:17]
Duke Dennis
Jokic might not show up.
[196:19]
Joe Budden
He's the main culprit.
[196:21]
Parks
He's Luca.
[196:23]
Joe Budden
I will never forget. They passed him the ball from the inbound and he shot that from the other team's free throw line.
[196:31]
Mel
See, he was dead ass.
[196:33]
Joe Budden
He.
[196:34]
Parks
And this is what I think.
[196:35]
Joe Budden
Oh, okay.
[196:36]
Parks
I think. I think. I think they're probably freaking.
[196:39]
Joe Budden
Them niggas.
[196:39]
Parks
I think they probably gonna come out wima. I think they're. Shay.
[196:44]
Flip
Yeah.
[196:45]
Parks
Luca Embiid.
[196:46]
Joe Budden
Well, they better not embiid.
[196:47]
Flip
Yeah. If he's got two letters.
[196:50]
Joe Budden
Players with pride. Better out the dudes that don't give a. Because none of the American like the attention that the foreign begin.
[196:58]
Parks
And I think it's very personal. I think it's gonna be personal.
[197:01]
Ish
Now we get a good.
[197:02]
Parks
I think it's gonna be personal.
[197:03]
Joe Budden
The only thing I don't like about this is with this format, you're. You're announcing that you're robbing some people of their All Star spots.
[197:12]
Flip
Yeah.
[197:13]
Parks
How? Because you have to fulfill a. A world roster.
[197:17]
Joe Budden
So people that might.
[197:20]
Ish
But.
[197:20]
Parks
But people that might not have made the world roster will make it just to fill up a team.
[197:24]
Joe Budden
Yep.
[197:24]
Parks
Maybe the usa, not so much, but the world roster because it's not enough.
[197:28]
Ish
I think both sides.
[197:29]
Joe Budden
Both sides. USA got a lot of old niggas.
[197:31]
Mel
Yeah.
[197:32]
Parks
And you fans be picking that. The old niggas be making it.
[197:35]
Ish
Fans just pick the starters.
[197:37]
Joe Budden
I like it. I'm also interested to see how inside the NBA looks on ESPN without them having NBA rights to games. What does that look like without y' all being able to show me the game? So we'll see about that.
[197:53]
Duke Dennis
That'll be pardon.
[197:54]
Joe Budden
Basically, ESPN not having the rights to games just sounds funny. But whatever. We'll see. We do have to cover Elon and Trump for a second. I know you guys want to go enjoy your Friday nights, but we got at least another nine hours in this.
[198:11]
Parks
17.
[198:13]
Joe Budden
At least another nine. Especially these got opportunities that might change their life. Coming. I need nine more hours out of y' all two before some deal gets signed. Do y' all care? Hello? Trump.
[198:26]
Ish
Trump. Trump and Elon, man, the bromance fell.
[198:30]
Flip
Apart in the messiest way possible.
[198:32]
Duke Dennis
Yeah, they said this is the dream Drake and Kendrick be for Republicans.
[198:37]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I like that.
[198:38]
Duke Dennis
Yesterday on Twitter, I saw people crazy.
[198:41]
Parks
Back and forth because half of the party kind of did pick a side. They picked a side. And I think. I think this is more telling. I think that a lot of Republicans really don't fuck with Donald Trump. Like, I think they really don't fuck with Donald Trump and they just been too scared to come public with it.
[198:59]
Flip
Agreed. That's been for a while.
[199:02]
Parks
Yeah, they don't fuck with him.
[199:04]
Flip
And I think that Elon is right. I think the Elon fanboys helped him win the election this year and possibly some other things.
[199:10]
Parks
And some money. And some money and.
[199:12]
Duke Dennis
And $280 million.
[199:13]
Parks
You know what I mean? I think that. I think. I think Eli. I mean, Elon. Pardon me, did get a little big in his britches and forgot that he was talking to a narcissistic motherfucker. And Donald Trump, that you not gonna just come in here and just keep publicly.
[199:27]
Joe Budden
Big brother.
[199:28]
Parks
I don't think that's gonna keep happening.
[199:29]
Joe Budden
I'd like y' all to break this down for me and, like, I'm a kindergartner, but I agree with that tenfold. At least for a year. And now at least for six months, Elon is. Seemed to be getting too big britches as it pertained to Trump, man.
[199:44]
Ish
They was running around saying that he was the one running the country for real.
[199:46]
Flip
They were.
[199:46]
Joe Budden
Cause it looked like that.
[199:47]
Ish
It did look like that, bro.
[199:50]
Parks
I'm in the Oval Office. What, with some sweatpants. He ain't have on sweatpants. But, fam, nobody comes in the Oval Office dressed down like, they going to din like, yo, you in there with your kid. Your kid telling the president shut up.
[200:04]
Joe Budden
Publicly, Elon set this off with the debt that we're in. Or the debt plan.
[200:09]
Parks
He said that the bill that they just passed. The bill that they just passed was trash. A lot of people are saying the bill that they just.
[200:14]
Jeremy Hecht
The big, beautiful bill.
[200:15]
Parks
Donald Trump called the big, beautiful bill.
[200:17]
Joe Budden
This bill is pertaining to everything. A bunch of shit.
[200:19]
Parks
Mad shit. So the budget shit. A lot of the budget shit. So Elon came forward and said, yo, dawg, not for nothing, no disrespect, this bill is trash. This bill is gonna add, they're saying, way more money to our deficit. Donald Trump and them said it's not public. People that are in support of Donald Trump have come out against the bill. Kevin O' Leary, who's Donald Trump's man from Shark Tank, Mr. Wonderful, he said, this bill is horrible for all small businesses. He said, basically 62% of small businesses are the driving force to our economy. Economy. You shitting on them. So he's like, yo, dog, my people gonna be calling me, like, yo, what the fuck is going on? So Donald Trump and them, of course, said, no, it's not. It's helping small businesses. The tax cuts to the 1% are enormous. Again, they're saying that it's some future shit that's going on where people that are making under $30,000 a year are going to get hammered in taxes. Like, if you already at under 30 grand, no disrespecting, nobody out there like, yo, fam, you can't afford no more tax hits.
[201:20]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay?
[201:21]
Parks
You know what I'm saying? So it just. And so the motherfuckers that are being truthful saying, yo, this is some bullshit.
[201:27]
Jeremy Hecht
I have a brief summation from, like, New York Times.
[201:29]
Joe Budden
I love New York Times.
[201:30]
Jeremy Hecht
All right, here we go. Hold on. Shit. Rewind. Come on.
[201:38]
Joe Budden
You've been killing since that whole Take Fridays on thing. Shut the up.
[201:43]
Duke Dennis
Never seen anything quite like this, Eli.
[201:45]
Parks
Elon and I had a great relationship.
[201:47]
Joe Budden
I don't know anymore.
[201:48]
Duke Dennis
So last week, Elon Musk left government. It was the end of his tenure as a special government employee. He got this nice press conference with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
[201:58]
Joe Budden
Thank you, Elon. Thank you.
[202:01]
Duke Dennis
But behind the scenes, it didn't seem that everything was going well. Over the weekend, President Trump removed the nomination of a key Musk ally from the head of NASA. And throughout this week, Elon Musk has been posting about this supposed big, beautiful bill that Donald Trump has been trying to push through Congress. And he's expressed his worry about this bill adding to the federal deficit and increasing the federal debt. And on Thursday, it became a little bit different. Donald Trump addressed that kind of rhetoric.
[202:30]
H
He knew every aspect of this bill.
[202:31]
Parks
He knew it better than almost anybody.
[202:33]
Joe Budden
See, that's what I was wondering to explode.
[202:35]
Duke Dennis
Online, Musk unloaded his full clip on Donald Trump, accusing him of being associated with Jeffrey Epstein. He talked about how Trump's tariffs were going to be bad for the economy and lead us to recession. I don't think we've ever seen someone at this level fall out with Donald Trump. You know, in some ways, Elon Musk is his equal. Someone who is incredibly wealthy and someone.
[202:56]
Flip
Who has taken credit for a lot.
[202:58]
Joe Budden
I don't see them as equal.
[203:00]
Duke Dennis
Both men are known.
[203:01]
Joe Budden
Are you getting his opinion? All right, with. I don't see them as equal.
[203:06]
Jeremy Hecht
Why? Why?
[203:07]
Flip
I mean, Elon Musk is way richer than Donald Trump.
[203:09]
Jeremy Hecht
Well, richer, but power, powerful. Power, influence, Power means a lot.
[203:15]
Joe Budden
I'm thinking on the power tip.
[203:17]
Flip
But Elon, basically, wealth comes power.
[203:19]
Jeremy Hecht
So Elon basically said in his tweets, he was just like, I got this motherfucker elected. Like I did.
[203:24]
Joe Budden
Thank you for your service.
[203:26]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah.
[203:27]
Joe Budden
He's like, you, you, you, you so rich and wealthy and.
[203:30]
Parks
And intuitive, and you ain't doing me a favor.
[203:33]
Jeremy Hecht
I'm waiting for him to say that they rigged the election.
[203:36]
Joe Budden
I think he's all but said it.
[203:37]
Mel
Donald Trump is just a New York. That's it. Narcissist. And what I mean is that we'll let you feel like you got you inside and we all cool and chummy, chummy. And it's all great and it's all good. But in the back of my mind, I'm watching you, and I have a plan just in case you get a little bit too comfortable.
[203:54]
Joe Budden
I would agree.
[203:54]
Mel
And that's what John he played possum. Trump play possum, made Elon Musk get extremely comfortable and then wham. And showed him that. Because he been saying things in the beginning, if Elon Musk tried to run against me, well, you know, he's not even from this country. He's been saying things, and he got quiet. So then Trump just showed him, man, never, you know, I could play possum better than anybody.
[204:14]
Parks
You know, I got 50 years dealing in the swamps, down with the mafia. From the mafia to like, yo, dawg, I've been with them. I've been with them. You just a. A wealthy dude that's a genius. Like, you're a genius, and you're a.
[204:29]
Joe Budden
Goofy and a dork and a doof. You're a goof. So when we need the money and when we need the tools and the assets and resources, then we'll call you. But other than that. Nah, you ain't. Nah. Trump's narcissism is one of my favorite reality shows because I can bank on him doing something to act like he fly with Pence for the rumors to go around. Yo, when Pence take over, yada yada, and then Big T saying, never the case, you're done. So he does this.
[205:02]
Parks
He does.
[205:02]
Joe Budden
So when him and Elon Musk was acting like friendly, friendly, friendly, and Elon Musk didn't see it coming, I was like, oh, this is happening. Yeah, it's happening soon.
[205:09]
Mel
He didn't see it coming at all.
[205:10]
Joe Budden
He was none the wiser.
[205:11]
Parks
I don't think so.
[205:12]
Joe Budden
And I think the relationship was mutually been beneficial.
[205:14]
Parks
Like, honestly speaking, you can't say Donald Trump was no corny in the 80s. He wasn't no corny son. He kind of was him. Huh?
[205:23]
Jeremy Hecht
He was corny.
[205:24]
Mel
No, he wasn't. He was not corny.
[205:26]
Joe Budden
I don't want to defend him.
[205:27]
Parks
I mean either I'm saying, I'm just being honest. Donald Trump was him in 80s 90s. Donald Trump was him like he was running around here playboy like Iron man or some, you know what I'm saying? And then his other views started to cloud. Honestly, if he never runs for president of the United States, he continues on that trajectory of being one of the cool whites. Unfortunately. No, I'm just saying. Cause a bunch of that shit would have never come out publicly that he did when he started running for. Then people started going to search and find some of the little racially motivated shit that he was doing. But Donald Trump was a cool ass white dude running around billionaire, messing with all the baddies back when we was coming up.
[206:10]
Joe Budden
If I have to pick between the which evil I like more, I'm picking Trump over Elon Musk. Sorry, buddy, I am sorry. It sounds bad.
[206:22]
Parks
No, I don't.
[206:23]
Joe Budden
I'm with you, not fucking with fucking doofy ass Elon Musk. And I don't fuck with Trump, but Elon Musk. Yo, so it's funny, so he says, yo, I'm about to drop the big bomb. But I think, I don't think that was a mistake. If this is your big bomb, I don't think it went the way he planned. Yo, Trump is on the Epstein tapes. We like. Well, we knew that.
[206:42]
Ish
We knew that.
[206:43]
Joe Budden
But why you didn't know that he did.
[206:45]
Ish
No, you knew that.
[206:46]
Parks
Oh no, you did Know that and.
[206:47]
Joe Budden
You cool with it.
[206:48]
Parks
And you ain't say nothing until y' all start beefing. Yeah.
[206:50]
Duke Dennis
Yeah. And if you did, why did you keep working for him?
[206:52]
Parks
As people's question, your man came out. He the King Goof.
[206:57]
Jeremy Hecht
Who?
[206:58]
Parks
Kanye.
[206:59]
Jeremy Hecht
Oh, yeah.
[206:59]
Joe Budden
Oh. I'm not even doing King Goofy. No, bros. We love both of you guys too much. Yeah, but he been. He sucked a lot of dick.
[207:09]
Mel
Yo. What the is wrong with you?
[207:12]
Joe Budden
Cause what? Literally, you can't say he did. Don't tell me what he said. He did suck a lot of dick.
[207:17]
Mel
I'm not telling what he said. No, you can say whatever you want.
[207:19]
Joe Budden
His uncle or some shit.
[207:20]
Mel
You can't suck. Yeah, talk about that.
[207:21]
Joe Budden
Can't suck your uncle dick and then chime in when the President's gonna kill your cousin. You can't do that because now it look like you rushing to suck another dick. Mind your fucking business. You not a politician. We not checking the album. You lost the gap deal. Sit down. Enough for you lost Amber. Nigga, move. Move. It's over. You lost the white girl. Move. We don't want to hear that right now.
[207:43]
Mel
White and black, we want to see the Titans.
[207:45]
Joe Budden
It's a big fight. Here you come, making it about you. You are a different class of narcissists. You gotta move. Wait for a second. We've been waiting for this for a while. Sorry, Kanye. It's not about you right now.
[207:57]
Duke Dennis
How does this end? Like, what is a possible result of this?
[208:00]
Parks
Nothing.
[208:02]
Duke Dennis
No, no, no. Not yet.
[208:06]
Parks
I know how that goes.
[208:07]
Joe Budden
I don't think he's done.
[208:08]
Mel
No, no, no, no, no, no.
[208:10]
Joe Budden
Trump. And he lost.
[208:13]
Parks
I think Trump pulls a bunch of that money, cuz. That's some of the shit. It got to do with some of the money.
[208:18]
Duke Dennis
The government contract.
[208:19]
Parks
Yeah.
[208:19]
Joe Budden
Is it true he stopped signing the contracts for the Elon?
[208:23]
Parks
The you start pulling my money, we gonna start beefing a little bit. Yo, you might have made some promises to me that I need you to follow through on. And now that you out. This is all speculative. Now that you out here fucking with the motherfuckers in UAE and you got some other heavy hitter money niggas behind you, you don't necessarily gotta sit down and kiss my ass no more.
[208:47]
Jeremy Hecht
Trump said the easiest way to save money in our budget. Billions and billions of dollars is to terminate Elon's golf government subsidies and contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. Then he went on to say, hold on.
[209:01]
Ish
Big politics.
[209:03]
Jeremy Hecht
Yeah. He says, I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago. This is one of the greatest bills ever presented to Congress. It's a record cut in expenses, $1.6 trillion, and the biggest tax cut ever. Please. If this bill doesn't pass, there will be a 68% tax increase and things far worse than that. I didn't create this mess. I'm just here to fix it. This puts our country on a path of greatness. Make America great again.
[209:33]
Parks
So, so great.
[209:34]
Jeremy Hecht
So, so great.
[209:35]
Parks
The bill is so, so beautiful. You have no idea.
[209:39]
Joe Budden
Out of here. Yeah.
[209:41]
Parks
Oh, man. That's your man.
[209:43]
Ish
It's your cousin.
[209:44]
Parks
I think somebody ain here voted for Big T, man. Not I.
[209:48]
Joe Budden
Not I.
[209:49]
Duke Dennis
No, I can't vote.
[209:50]
Mel
Me neither. He can't vote.
[209:51]
Duke Dennis
I can't vote here. I'm just happy to be in the country. Thank you to whoever makes.
[209:55]
Parks
Thank you, Ellie.
[210:00]
Joe Budden
Are we done? Are we done with this? Until Mark is back, I don't give out. What else needs our attention? This has been rapid, long. Let me see. Shout out to friend of the show, Amari. Her Tiny Desk episode released yesterday.
[210:19]
Ish
I didn't see it yet.
[210:20]
Mel
I didn't see it yet neither.
[210:21]
Jeremy Hecht
I haven't seen it yet, but it's been buzzing online. Huh?
[210:24]
Joe Budden
I don't know.
[210:26]
Jeremy Hecht
I don't know. I'm asking y' all because that was what y' all said.
[210:29]
Mel
Don't do that.
[210:30]
Joe Budden
We said off mic.
[210:31]
Jeremy Hecht
I know you're not talking about the. We say off mic.
[210:34]
Joe Budden
I'm saying. Are you questioning? Are you calling back to things that we said off mic?
[210:39]
Jeremy Hecht
Yes.
[210:40]
Joe Budden
Got it. That's crazy. Got it.
[210:43]
Jeremy Hecht
He does it all the time. He does it all the time.
[210:48]
Joe Budden
More rats and more rats. More rats.
[210:51]
Jeremy Hecht
Absolutely. Yep.
[210:53]
Joe Budden
I see the chatter out there. Amerie is too great to me and has been too great to me for me to participate.
[211:01]
Parks
To us.
[211:02]
Joe Budden
Congratulations to Amory.
[211:04]
Ish
Congratulations.
[211:04]
Joe Budden
She sat here and told us how much she was looking forward to her tiny desk and let the legends get warmed up, get back in their bag. It's been a while. It been a while.
[211:14]
Jeremy Hecht
But is it possible that people who listen to it just don't have an appreciation for. Go, go.
[211:20]
Joe Budden
Okay, now we okay here.
[211:24]
Duke Dennis
Yeah.
[211:24]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[211:24]
Jeremy Hecht
I feel like we should play a little bit of it because she's. We've listened to the music since the release and she sounds incredible.
[211:31]
Joe Budden
I'll play a little bit. Yeah.
[211:33]
Duke Dennis
You got to go from the tiny desk to the big desk. Little steps.
[211:36]
Joe Budden
If y' all buy me a little bit of time.
[211:37]
Mel
I Threw your name in it. Hey, yo, hold on. You know they called your man name at the. At the trial.
[211:56]
Joe Budden
Yeah. One of the greatest songs ever made. Shout out to friend of the show. Amory, we love you and we're looking forward to some more.
[212:03]
Mel
Sometimes when you come straight up, you know, she did say you come straight off a flight and go straight to business. Sometimes you. You got to rest beforehand.
[212:09]
Joe Budden
So it's hard.
[212:15]
Mel
Let's go A I.
[212:26]
Joe Budden
Shut up, Gory.
[212:29]
I
I love it.
[212:43]
Joe Budden
I know I'll make you mine I'll make you mine Only you.
[213:20]
Flip
There's some fluctuations happening there.
[213:24]
Parks
That fire was her mic setting up way go.
[213:26]
Flip
It could have been. It probably was a mic malfunction.
[213:28]
Joe Budden
One of the best vocal performances I've had on or here.
[213:31]
Flip
I think that it was probably the mic.
[213:32]
Jeremy Hecht
I'm blaming the mic sound great.
[213:33]
Joe Budden
The mic. I got a watch up dance. I'm blaming anybody before.
[213:36]
Ish
I gotta watch that back because hers then Baby face.
[213:41]
Parks
No doubt.
[213:42]
Joe Budden
Y' all fans, they always talking. Shut up.
[213:45]
Ish
They always got something to say. We all tiny desk at.
[213:51]
Joe Budden
Let's see here. We don't need to get into Timberland right now. We can get the out of here. Yeah, we. We. We can get out of here. I think I am going with with next week is a good week in music for me. Y' all hyped me up with all this Lil Wayne shit, but I knew this week was a deuce snooze fest. Next week I think there's ty$sign project is another album next week. That's fun. I'll tell you later. I'm going with Ty$sign off that tycoon project. This record is called All. Anything with the Lumi D beat is a win for me and Wayne Wonder. Oh, baby do you mind if I.
[214:55]
Parks
Found it Isolation.
[214:58]
H
Do you mind make.
[215:00]
Joe Budden
Your mind don't give it away.
[215:07]
Parks
I.
[215:07]
Joe Budden
Could throw it deep in the end zone Put a baddie in the friend.
[215:11]
Mel
Zone I give you the keys to.
[215:13]
Joe Budden
The gr Summertime come might change colors and I just want to know do.
[215:20]
Parks
You mind.
[215:26]
Joe Budden
If I show you in all the bosses shouldy give what you want Just put it in Put your money away Treat every girl like it's.
[216:21]
H
A bird.
[216:47]
Joe Budden
Brand new music from ty$sign. That record is called all in, off his tycoon album. That should be in your phones next week. Shout out to Ty, man. Can't wait. Good, good.
[216:58]
Ish
I've been playing this Banks album over and over. Came out a couple weeks ago and I'm gonna go back to that so my sleeper is if I wake up.
[217:08]
Flip
Lloyd Banks Whoa hello hello Hate when you're not in there.
[217:25]
I
Everyone'S looking and can you look in the mirror can be biased when you're critiquing just cause someone's familiar poverty's a shortness of breath for Benjamin's dead in hell you got money to spread around here things only get real minute you brush away they start painting the wicked picture you think sober and make me feel better I'm getting sicker honey and flicks don't mix like different liquor Bl don't let me die last words of a victim's whisper I wasn't always a winner who knocked me down with a loss got addicted to lavish living got me back on my course just be original can you picture a copycat with the torch guard in the physical hard hitting rocky pack to endorse deadliest writer hand filthy in my survival plan in the event I die bring a back with a hologram the drama land I'm in limited edition monogram don't nothing cause separation more than the comedy I woke up today I won I should have been dead look at what I become I see your skill sets a gun struggle and sacrifices just to be number one that ain't here wishing they could distress they never appreciate the door say no to the shut keeping my distance from it even when the world opens up the less fortunate is another individual's lump stitches get stitches nigga the son of a ritual cutting respect nothing more than was honest now what you tell me the truth you want to change history don't you? Bury the proof lift out the loose a stand up in the face of whoever got two pair of eyes looking at me got to raise him up better buying everything I wrote off you got to pay me forever Hanum Coming back from your shady endeavors can't spend a day being jealous hanging up all this war jewelry hard to remove the victor none of his rippedic perspective coming from newer scripture I move the richer with new elixir the tuna fixture to crucify of fixes while follow don't think the shoes that fit you you lose a good picks and make the illusion bigger in the blink of a high there's heat on you no room to shiver when I woke up today I won I should have been dead look at what I become I see you still said sticks to be where you from best to be with your gun struggle and sacrifices just to be number one if I see tomorrow I'm blessed that ain't here wishing they could be stressed Sometimes it ain't fear li peace was a stretch and when he viol sex Ain't no online thieves ain't no truth no I made mistakes cuz a go according to plan maybe I was right all along and it was all in God's hands. Classic composers therapeutic thank the Lord for my fans knew I would make it the same day Told me I can't get you a spot to see me crying Mark all my names in the tower all praise to the throne above.
[219:52]
H
Me he who gave me the power.
[219:53]
I
Cut Communication I need all of my hours living long bill I miss by the time they give you your flowers you be there with no color got no problem me and my fate long as it's not by my brother know when I'm driving any day I could stop for my color. You never understand the trauma if you're not from the gutter. I was told to SW87s on a cop on the COVID People will lose their whole identity for a popular summer Sometimes everybody will make it I'm not going to wonder A new selling the soul every day look what is coming. When I woke up today I won I should have been dead look at what I become I see your be where you from Best to be with your gun Struggle and sacrifices just to be number one for seats bless that ain't here wishing they could distress sometimes it ain't fear looking peaceful A stretch.
[220:47]
Duke Dennis
That'S off his new project.
[220:50]
Flip
What'd you say?
[220:50]
Duke Dennis
That's not his new project.
[220:52]
Flip
Yeah, yeah.
[220:52]
Ish
This is. That was. If I wake up off of all or nothing 3. Despite my mistakes.
[220:58]
Flip
All right. I'm going to Detroit. This is. This is a little. It's a different style of rap. This is Bruiser, Wolf and Fat Ray. Fancy.
[221:15]
Joe Budden
Different.
[221:16]
Flip
You'll get there.
[221:18]
Joe Budden
Busting her face twice the same eye like gaming women's I made my rain.
[221:23]
Mel
Pop, baby tell a man like damn.
[221:25]
Joe Budden
It'S the same guy Swimmer drowned, brown coaching I'm AI I was stuck in the same place like a hostage or.
[221:31]
Mel
A statue My life was going downhill.
[221:33]
Joe Budden
I was facing an uphill battle I'm trying to better my wealth I asked.
[221:37]
Mel
My bookie what's the odds if I.
[221:38]
Joe Budden
Battle myself since my past is dark.
[221:41]
Mel
Gothic everything I say sound good it's melodic sipping on gin tonic talking blowing.
[221:48]
Joe Budden
Clouds that look like pow and a comet her legs spread just like gossip.
[221:52]
Ish
I give her dick I ain't kill.
[221:54]
Mel
A pussy but it's a hostage beat the bad snitches and rivals you know.
[221:58]
Joe Budden
The garlic for bad hope like Brian.
[222:00]
Mel
And I promise, I promise but still.
[222:02]
Joe Budden
Papa Dre like the grandpa of a Madonnas three sixes you think I'm demonic? I was hooked on Chronic when y' all was hooked on phonics but jotting down on a loose sleeve got me a groupie they said I should stand with puff and rare kuji Cuz I'm doing big things I'm doing big things Hopping on tracks, leaving stain cruiser wolf.
[222:26]
Mel
Cooler than a nickname.
[222:31]
Joe Budden
The cool rich but ain't change.
[222:35]
Ish
Roll up the cigar repertoire used by me the fat is you seeing what I'm seeing We can make a killing and stack it to the ceiling bro the F and N been cop this butter out the Ziploc at the Pit Stop competition going block resistance Imma go the distance it's a hit me and W back lit bet.
[222:55]
Parks
The game beat your ass if you.
[222:56]
Ish
Sneak it Let a nigga hear your new shit they gonna leak it the industry the weakest see me be that is all that is you is er I see y' all squares don't you know my daddy fed they kids your podcast it ain't with his that's how it is this shit is brewed out a freak bitch they getting flew out be in the ball feeling like I'm in snowfall All y' all living for.
[223:21]
Joe Budden
Likes and follows I'm my bullet hollow.
[223:24]
Ish
My gonna swallow happily not download the app for free and spark the tree.
[223:28]
Flip
What'S Heat As Fancy by Bruiser Wolf and Fat Ray. Bruiser Wolf is hilarious.
[223:37]
Ish
I thought he was like, trying to impersonate Sugar Free.
[223:40]
Flip
Yeah, I can see why. I see why your brain would go there.
[223:43]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
[223:44]
Ish
Like, is this like a spoof of sugar?
[223:46]
Flip
You would probably actually really like.
[223:48]
Ish
Oh, I'm gonna check this out.
[223:49]
Flip
Yeah, you would probably really like this.
[223:50]
Ish
You know, I'm going to check this.
[223:51]
Flip
Yeah, it's Detroit. Shit, playa. You like this shit anyway? Bruiserwill fancy got you check out the album now.
[223:59]
Parks
I was gonna play this last week.
[224:00]
Ish
But you play that record, you gonna play that last week.
[224:03]
Parks
I don't know Bruiser. Oh, that's your man.
[224:06]
Ish
I don't know him. I'm gonna get familiar, though.
[224:07]
Parks
You familiar with Bruiser?
[224:08]
Ish
No, I don't. I said I'm gonna get familiar.
[224:10]
Parks
And the Punisher.
[224:11]
Ish
Yeah, I see. Primo.
[224:16]
Parks
I'm going to Leon Thomas show song is party favorite.
[224:21]
Flip
This is my shit right here.
[224:43]
H
Yeah, I might get low on the two year high 80s marry a baddie who's always complaining who Keys on my cars and tells about paintings and spend hella cash like she the one who made it Then tells me she's sorry and me like she really means it I let her drive Bentley once and told her she could keep it she be keeping secrets that is not a secret but you know what they say sometimes yeah yeah she better keep it, she better keep it but for now she wants his party favor.
[225:29]
Joe Budden
Some of.
[225:30]
H
Them don't ask for things hey all the favors that I'm doing you know it's all for my favorite girl you high everything not just high maintenance high class and you showing up high high heels, boots hiding Mary J. Blige and the worst part about it is you barely say hi even if they confidence is up to the sky dance no knowing that you just a magnify eyes it's a shame your high horse don't got a passenger side you the prize if it's ride or die then I'm still alive been popping prescriptions that was never prescribed got you giving descriptions that you can't even describe if you heard enemy no kumbaya it's all coup de grass walk around this like my shoes and tie this so bad that she looks sexy in a suit and tie her once you to alive break her heart and suicide she gonna pop up with a richer don't be too surprise but I swear that you my favorite both catching feelings damn I guess it's contagious and I'm just much focused on the paper how you think I could.
[226:35]
Joe Budden
Afford on your party favorites.
[226:43]
H
Famous body famous don't ask for favors I do way too many things.
[226:59]
Flip
As Leon Thomas and Big Sean. Party favors Sean ripped that too.
[227:03]
Joe Budden
He.
[227:03]
Flip
He bought. I'm so glad someone brought that Andre Flo back that no one ever touched again. Yeah that was. That was a fire fire verse Big Mel.
[227:14]
Jeremy Hecht
Mine is Kaytranada featuring Lucky Day. It's called Lucky Easy.
[228:35]
Parks
My film staring.
[228:36]
H
From across the room he's got it all at the September school.
[229:00]
Joe Budden
Easy to.
[229:02]
H
Make it look easy to make it.
[229:04]
Joe Budden
Look easy make it look easy.
[229:36]
Flip
As K. Trinada the lucky day look easy.
[229:39]
Duke Dennis
I see you repping for the Canadian man.
[229:41]
Flip
There you go.
[229:42]
Duke Dennis
K Trata Canadian.
[229:46]
Joe Budden
Lucky day. Yeah and it was five and gay.
[229:49]
Flip
It's pride.
[229:50]
Ish
It's pride month.
[229:52]
Flip
That's so. Oh, that's what you're saying? Okay.
[229:54]
Joe Budden
Y' all always think y' all got to stop Kada and Lucky Day I stepped away but that that sounds yeah.
[230:03]
Jeremy Hecht
It was cute little summertime vibe almost.
[230:07]
Parks
To Hersh know The lucky day in.
[230:09]
Joe Budden
Her joint we the her.
[230:12]
Ish
I wish she hurry. Oh, no, I don't wish she hurry up, take your time. I ain't rushing Greatness. When she come, it's going to be.
[230:18]
Joe Budden
And we're Summer to me.
[230:21]
Ish
She talking, ready to start.
[230:22]
Joe Budden
She.
[230:23]
Ish
We should get something new from her. She got the single.
[230:25]
Joe Budden
Her probably waiting to step on Summer.
[230:29]
Parks
Everybody not like you, yo. Everybody ain't you, yo?
[230:34]
Ish
No matter who out there right at the moment.
[230:35]
Mel
Yeah, you're right.
[230:36]
Joe Budden
Don't nah, nah, nah.
[230:38]
Ish
Nothing.
[230:41]
Joe Budden
Her better be aware of when Summer would like to drop.
[230:44]
Ish
She don't have to.
[230:45]
Joe Budden
Yes, you do. Why?
[230:46]
Ish
No, she don't.
[230:46]
Flip
They're different. Different? A little bit.
[230:50]
Parks
You can buy two albums.
[230:51]
Joe Budden
They're different.
[230:51]
Mel
What?
[230:52]
Flip
Demos.
[230:52]
Ish
Levels you can buy.
[230:53]
Joe Budden
I don't know how different the demos are. What do you think the. The demos are?
[230:57]
Flip
I think her is a little bit more earthy. Earthy and, like, appeals to adults a little bit more. I think Summer's a little bit more man.
[231:06]
Joe Budden
Her got the secret earthy hoes. Summer got the overt earthy ho.
[231:12]
Flip
Okay.
[231:14]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay.
[231:14]
Joe Budden
I'm saying this is different. That's different because I'm just talking about. I. I think that Summer will probably break 300,000 units week one and whoever. Yes.
[231:27]
Parks
And keep going.
[231:28]
Ish
Yes.
[231:28]
Parks
And her.
[231:29]
Joe Budden
What she do last time? I think she was close last time.
[231:31]
Flip
Was she.
[231:33]
Joe Budden
I think. But we can look it up. And I think. And I think that anybody. I think you need to be aware of anybody that can do 300 week one.
[231:40]
Jeremy Hecht
Why would anybody have to. Why do they have to choose?
[231:42]
Parks
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[231:44]
Flip
Summer ain't do nothing near that. I remember her internship being hella.
[231:47]
Duke Dennis
She did 106.
[231:48]
Ish
Six.
[231:49]
Flip
Yeah.
[231:49]
Ish
166.
[231:50]
Joe Budden
Where'd I get 300?
[231:53]
Flip
Her didn't do 300. Hers was hella low.
[231:56]
Joe Budden
Her was mad low because that was a topic here for a while.
[231:59]
Flip
Yeah, she might have did like 50,000 or something like that. It was low.
[232:03]
Joe Budden
Okay, well, I can see summer breaking 250 then. Let me bring it down.
[232:07]
Flip
N. You think she's hotter now than she was going into the last album?
[232:12]
Joe Budden
I don't. I don't. I don't think that her album sales week one will be predicated on heat. I think Summer is out of the. I got to be hot to say.
[232:20]
Flip
See, I think once you start Talking anything over 200, it's predicated on heat.
[232:25]
Joe Budden
No, I thought Jeezy could have did 250 when his heat was going up. Taking it to ancient dinosaur time.
[232:30]
Flip
Yeah, we're talking. That's a whole different.
[232:31]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I think summer could do 250.
[232:34]
Flip
I think, honestly, if you're talking anything over 150, it got to have some heat.
[232:39]
Duke Dennis
I think 150. 150 for summer.
[232:41]
Joe Budden
So you think she goes down?
[232:44]
Flip
Yeah, I think she does, too.
[232:46]
Joe Budden
Oh, y' all got summer up.
[232:48]
Flip
I love summer. I just don't think she. I think she's been quiet.
[232:51]
Joe Budden
Don't worry you. She will learn you. This is like that Wayne in his prime thing. Y' all doing it again. Hey, before we leave, can y' all stand on. Just stand on the fact that you said it, and I'll shut up.
[233:02]
Flip
I didn't say he was in his prime. I said he has plateaued.
[233:05]
Joe Budden
But don't worry.
[233:09]
Parks
But the plateau. You guys still be at your prime level, right?
[233:13]
Flip
Yeah. Because the argument was peak versus plateau.
[233:16]
Parks
I think he. I think he was spitting.
[233:18]
Flip
I think he still raps extremely well.
[233:19]
Parks
I think he was spitting.
[233:20]
Flip
I just think that his production. Production, which you're right, falls on him.
[233:23]
Ish
I think Wayne can still put out an album on the level of those other albums that we love him for, but he needs the right team. He has the talent to still do it. There's artists that don't have that talent anymore, no matter what team you put him with. And I don't put Wayne in that category.
[233:41]
Joe Budden
I agree with what he's saying. The. That make their cereal with the milk first.
[233:45]
Ish
I don't know any of those people talk about you.
[233:48]
Mel
I'm just saying the milk and put.
[233:50]
Joe Budden
A little ice cube in there.
[233:58]
Ish
With the ice in the milk.
[233:59]
Parks
My mother do that. You do that.
[234:01]
Mel
I used no Freeze. He. He in a soft guy era. So he warmed the milk up, man. I believe he warmed the milk in the microwave, Put some honey in it. Yeah, you're a heathen. Yo, Freeze, You a freak.
[234:12]
Joe Budden
Is it bad for men to have, like, a soft. Is there a soft guy era? For me? Yes.
[234:16]
Parks
Now. Right now.
[234:18]
Flip
I'm here, too.
[234:19]
Mel
Freeze is in it. I just love my family. I just want to chill home. I don't care about the world.
[234:26]
Parks
My girl was talking to me so rough the other day.
[234:28]
Joe Budden
I just was like, rough as in message or tone?
[234:32]
Parks
Tone. I was just like, oh, the old yo.
[234:37]
Ish
You be like, that's cuz you know your foot ain't healed all the way yet.
[234:40]
Duke Dennis
Hilarious.
[234:42]
Parks
I don't need. My mouth is a whole boy.
[234:45]
Mel
We can see, Tungy. We can see.
[234:47]
Joe Budden
Look, I'm just like, yo, you Got it. The old me.
[234:52]
Flip
I want you to let her have it.
[234:53]
Joe Budden
I want to be in my soft guy.
[234:55]
Mel
My wife, too. She was talking.
[234:56]
Flip
You're in your soft, soft guy era for sure.
[234:59]
Mel
He's not.
[234:59]
Duke Dennis
But you got the shorts on.
[235:01]
Joe Budden
Maybe. Soft shorts on maybe. Yeah, right.
[235:03]
Parks
Salmon, Salmon.
[235:05]
Joe Budden
You got to put the L. Lululemon is in a soft guy era. Maybe soft guy, soft era means something different than for men than it does for women in.
[235:14]
Flip
Oh, it does for sure.
[235:16]
Parks
Yeah.
[235:16]
Ish
Gotta mean.
[235:17]
Joe Budden
So what does it mean for men then?
[235:18]
Flip
Less gardening.
[235:20]
Parks
For women, it means like you letting the man take control. You don't want nothing to do with that for the men. You just want to be pampered and taken care of. Okay, that's what the women. That's it.
[235:29]
Ish
Right.
[235:29]
Joe Budden
Women just want to be aloof and not worry about none and be led by a man strong enough to where they're able to be their soft self and not have to wear the hardcore exterior and that they present with.
[235:43]
Flip
I think for men it just means not.
[235:45]
Mel
Not doing too much grinding your hands to the nubs.
[235:49]
Joe Budden
For men, it's just being rich.
[235:50]
Mel
Just relax.
[235:52]
Flip
Well, I guess that's a way to put it.
[235:53]
Ish
What leads to it, though, if you.
[235:55]
Joe Budden
If you're rich, then I guess smoke it.
[236:01]
Parks
That's crazy.
[236:02]
Ish
That is kind of.
[236:02]
Joe Budden
That's disgusting.
[236:03]
Flip
I guess it also could be. If you find a sugar mama, you could be.
[236:06]
Jeremy Hecht
So it involves money?
[236:08]
Flip
Well, I think soft. I think that always involves money.
[236:11]
Jeremy Hecht
That's not soft girl era does not involve. Necessarily involve money.
[236:15]
Joe Budden
We'll add another hour to this podcast.
[236:17]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay. Nope.
[236:17]
Joe Budden
If you lie like that.
[236:19]
Parks
Are you kidding?
[236:20]
Flip
You're full of.
[236:21]
Joe Budden
Mel, Come on. For real.
[236:22]
Jeremy Hecht
It doesn't.
[236:24]
Flip
Yes. Is it specifically about that?
[236:26]
Parks
No, it ain't specifically, but it goes, look, hand and fucking Big hand and little hand. What, are you kidding?
[236:32]
Joe Budden
They're first cousins. They're real close. They are.
[236:36]
Jeremy Hecht
They West Virginia in the room with each other.
[236:39]
Joe Budden
They're in the room. Mel, explain yourself before we end.
[236:44]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, they're in the room with each other, but it doesn't necessarily mean that when women are saying, you know, like. Like, you know, I feel comfortable to be my softest self, it's because I feel a sense of security.
[236:56]
Ish
You know what provides the security?
[237:02]
Joe Budden
I'm not doing that to Mel. Y' all listen to Mel. I ordered food already.
[237:06]
Flip
I ate.
[237:07]
Joe Budden
I'm good. I already ordered some food. So.
[237:11]
Jeremy Hecht
No, it just. It just offers a woman the chance to. To be her softest self and feel like she is secure. In her relationship.
[237:17]
Mel
Not worried about anything.
[237:19]
Jeremy Hecht
Just not worried about anything.
[237:20]
Joe Budden
Mel, what girl is with a broke nigga, is in her soft girl.
[237:23]
Ish
What girl is secure?
[237:25]
Jeremy Hecht
I personally don't know what woman that.
[237:27]
Parks
Don'T have to worry about anything. One of those things is financial stuff. So when you don't have financial cares or worries, then that means that homeboy has stepped in and taken that worry away from you.
[237:40]
Jeremy Hecht
That's maybe one way of looking at it, but not necessarily.
[237:45]
Joe Budden
What's the other way?
[237:46]
Parks
That's just one of the things.
[237:47]
Joe Budden
What's the other way to look at it?
[237:48]
Jeremy Hecht
Okay, I'll put it to you like this. I have a girlfriend who was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very tough. Her exterior, everything about her was just combat and fight because no ever made her feel confident. And for you, confident and comfortable and. And could feel vulnerable and feel like he wasn't going to go anywhere. So the man that she ended up marrying, him marrying. That's what he did for her. He made her feel soft and secure and that no matter how she showed up, no matter what insecurity she displayed, he wasn't going anywhere. He was.
[238:23]
Parks
No.
[238:23]
Jeremy Hecht
No, he was not.
[238:24]
Parks
I don't even know.
[238:25]
Jeremy Hecht
He wasn't broke.
[238:27]
Parks
I don't even know.
[238:28]
Joe Budden
Yo, thank you for your contribution today. Honest. Really great. We could help amplify the woman voice today.
[238:37]
Jeremy Hecht
Wait, I know you had enough. You had enough of the woman voice. I got it.
[238:41]
Joe Budden
No, no. We always want to help amplify the woman voice. You did it.
[238:54]
Parks
This sounds so crisp.
[239:00]
Joe Budden
Hello, Tell me where you. Yeah, like when this drop was like, yo, there's a Mr. Carter sample somewhere laying around, right? How appropriate Forever from me to you I heard somebody say church, I'mma need a silver, I'mma need a coup I.
[239:17]
Mel
Would need a roof Fly to be the juice Be the juice Be the.
[239:20]
Joe Budden
Juice that made us they both Beetlejuice Three times dangerous. Three times dangerous game. Oh, my Lord. Yes, Stevie does Stevie see everything?
[239:37]
H
Man, I got summer hating on me cause I'm hotter than the sun Got spring hating on me cause I ain't never sprung Winter hating on me cause I'm colder than y' all and I.
[239:46]
Joe Budden
Would never, I would never, I would never fall I'm being hated by the.
[239:50]
H
Season So y' all hating for no reason?
[239:57]
Joe Budden
Around the world and I'm back again.
[240:12]
H
Who'S been asking about me?
[240:14]
Parks
In case you render you know the problem?
[240:16]
Joe Budden
Oh, how about.
[240:20]
Parks
Tell us what Jay Z did? No, no, no.
[240:21]
Ish
So you know what the real problem is with Wayne. And this is.
[240:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah, he's been finding studios.
[240:25]
Ish
No, no, it's. Honestly, it is. That's funny.
[240:29]
Joe Budden
That's funny.
[240:30]
Ish
Wayne don't rap about shit. That's really.
[240:34]
Parks
I was about to say that song that we just heard. He wasn't spitting nothing crazy. The raps from the earlier album that we heard are much better than those.
[240:43]
Joe Budden
But on that album, he did.
[240:45]
Parks
No, he went crazy.
[240:47]
Ish
Very, very. Not a lot, though.
[240:49]
Parks
That's not a lot on Carter 3.
[240:51]
Joe Budden
Yes.
[240:52]
Parks
You know way more about Wayne than me, but Carter 3 was. He had conceptual album songs on that album.
[240:58]
Ish
A couple of songs. Overall, he does not rap about. And it's hard to stay current and do that when you just putting words out there and putting words together.
[241:06]
Parks
Just rapping.
[241:06]
Ish
You just rapping.
[241:07]
Parks
Just rapping.
[241:08]
Ish
You just rap into a beat. He's basically in this. Oh, they gonna kill me. Almost close into the pot. They gonna hear this. He basically is Eminem. Just not as technical. Em do that just at a very technical level.
[241:24]
Joe Budden
You were right. They are gonna kill you.
[241:27]
Ish
Em does it too. Just technical. Putting words together. No, no. Hey, Tanner. We good, we good.
[241:33]
Joe Budden
Hey, Tanner.
[241:34]
Flip
Send this to Eminem.
[241:35]
Joe Budden
Yeah, don't see me in the clip, too.
[241:38]
Duke Dennis
Like, you could cut right here.
[241:42]
Joe Budden
On God.
[241:43]
Ish
I'm telling you, bro.
[241:44]
Parks
And I love both of them.
[241:48]
H
This time.
[241:49]
Parks
Yo.
[241:50]
Joe Budden
We want to thank our special guest, Jeremy Heck for show. Very seldom can I meet someone for the first time, and their voice grace these microphones, so it shows how I feel about. About this guy. One of my favorite white guys. Not Parks, but one of my favorite white guys in the game. I think my sister Mel. Hey, with this one, I'm about to. Hey, let's go. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there until the next time we bid you a do farewell Adios, arriva diri, hasta la vista Our voir so long goodbye Or a simple head nod we'll soon remember Life is a series of moments and moments pass so let's make this one last as if it's all we until next time. So why the is you tripping?
[243:03]
Mel
I'm taking these chances.
[243:14]
Duke Dennis
Oh, you guys said Wayne couldn't do hooks. What about you? Ain't got nothing on me. I get money like a.
[243:22]
Ish
He got a couple hooks, but I'm just saying, overall, he's not known as the hook guy in his career.
[243:27]
Joe Budden
Oh, we doing Potter University. All right. No, no, no, no. Stay. He can never do it. What y' all think is going on? Let's break it down.
[243:34]
Ish
He can't do hooks.
[243:37]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[243:38]
Ish
But he got a couple. Don't mean he's known for his ice.
[243:43]
Joe Budden
You just getting a lot of bad takes off in the last second of this part. And because it's the end.
[243:47]
Ish
All right, go ahead. Give me five Jay Z hooks that he did himself that are fire hooks.
[243:52]
Joe Budden
Oh, you just moved the goal post.
[243:53]
Ish
I just said he can't do hooks like that.
[243:56]
Joe Budden
But that don't mean you doing the hook. Means that's where we're basing this off.
[244:00]
Ish
The comment we said Wayne doing the hook. We was talking about Wayne doing hooks. He named a Wayne hook that he did. And I'm like, you could still be a great rapper not being able to. To do hooks.
[244:10]
Joe Budden
Okay.
[244:10]
Ish
And picking a hook or a feature hook is not. I'm talking about you.
[244:14]
Flip
I remember the era I was. I was around for the era where producers were saying to get a Jay Z placement, send him a beat with a hook on it.
[244:20]
Ish
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
[244:21]
Flip
It's okay to say it at all.
[244:26]
Joe Budden
Identifying a good hook. That's what I meant. So when I say. When I say somebody can't make a hook, it mean they can't identify a good hook. No.
[244:35]
Ish
Make a hook and identifying a hook mean two totally different things.
[244:37]
Joe Budden
Hold on. Don't want to do his hooks either. You had no fight for me.
[244:40]
Parks
Okay.
[244:40]
Joe Budden
But he's going to identify absolutely 100% good or pay for it.
[244:45]
Ish
Yes.
[244:46]
Joe Budden
Okay. Mel, what you think about Hov's hook making before we. No, honestly, we got to get to the bottom of it.
[244:54]
Jeremy Hecht
As a woman, I think it's fantastic. I don't know.
[245:01]
Flip
I think that sums it up.
[245:02]
Ish
Yeah.
[245:03]
Joe Budden
It put you in the back of the big pimping yacht.
[245:05]
Jeremy Hecht
I was not in the back.
[245:07]
Joe Budden
You wasn't in the front. Yes. I, you know, stop you the little.
[245:11]
Parks
Boat that Be on the side of the yacht that ding.
[245:14]
Jeremy Hecht
I was not on the.
[245:18]
Joe Budden
You know who was in the front. Don't play.
[245:19]
Jeremy Hecht
Who was in the front?
[245:20]
Parks
You know who was in the front.
[245:21]
Duke Dennis
Who was in the.
[245:26]
Joe Budden
She know who was in the front.
[245:28]
Ish
Yeah, we know me. I didn't even know was other verses on that song.
[245:32]
Joe Budden
My stamina be Anderson Lee, mtv.
[245:39]
Parks
Still sitting.
[245:39]
Joe Budden
Come on now. You know it was in the front of that boat, the front of that yacht.
[245:43]
Jeremy Hecht
Are you saying Gloria?
[245:44]
Joe Budden
Are you saying it?
[245:45]
Jeremy Hecht
Gloria wasn't there.
[245:47]
Ish
No, she was there.
[245:47]
Joe Budden
No, not when you was there.
[245:48]
Mel
No, not early.
[245:49]
Joe Budden
Gloria. Not early in the day.
[245:51]
Jeremy Hecht
Gloria was in Miami. There was two different shoes that's what we say. And there was the Miami. Miami shoot.
[245:57]
Joe Budden
That's what we're telling you.
[245:58]
Jeremy Hecht
She was not in Trinidad and I was not in Miami.
[246:01]
Joe Budden
That's what we're saying to you.
[246:03]
Parks
Trinidad came to her.
[246:04]
Joe Budden
Yeah. You wasn't there. It's okay. No, that accord couldn't make it to Trinidad. Bye. That's funny.