Episode 835 | "The Devils Breakfast"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 835: "The Devil's Breakfast"

Release Date: June 18, 2025

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1. Welcome and Initial Banter [00:00 - 07:00]

The episode kicks off with Joe Budden setting a casual and humorous tone, engaging with his co-hosts Ish, Erickson, Melissa Ford, Parks, Flip, and Mark. The conversation quickly shifts to a playful discussion about personal interactions and teasing among friends.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Budden [00:40]: "His face was turning red."
• Melissa Ford [02:00]: "What's happening, man?"

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2. Father's Day Reflections [07:00 - 23:00]

Joe shares his Father's Day experience, highlighting the balance between family commitments and personal relaxation. Co-hosts Ish and Erickson discuss their own Father's Day celebrations, touching on themes of providing for family and reconciling past strained relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden [16:02]: "Let's start with me. Mine was fantastic."
• Erickson [23:13]: "We squashed that."

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3. R. Kelly's Death and Conspiracy Theories [23:00 - 44:00]

A significant portion of the episode delves into the controversial death of R. Kelly. The hosts debate whether his overdose was accidental or part of a larger conspiracy. Discussions include the experiences of inmates, whistleblowers, and the challenges of discerning truth within prison systems.

Notable Quotes:

• Melissa Ford [39:54]: "That is a plot to murder R. Kelly here by the prison."
• Joe Budden [44:10]: "Stockholm. Stockholm."

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4. Studio Etiquette and Hip-Hop Culture [44:00 - 107:00]

The conversation shifts to the dynamics within music studios, particularly focusing on interactions between rappers like Pusha T and Travis Scott. The hosts express concerns about professionalism, competition, and the impact of celebrity behavior on creative environments.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden [96:12]: "There's something happening. There is something going on in the air."
• Melissa Ford [103:54]: "A lot of the is politics. A lot of the be based on who represents you."

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5. AI in Music and Copyright Issues [107:00 - 197:00]

A deep dive into the emerging role of Artificial Intelligence in the music industry. The hosts discuss how major labels are negotiating with generative music startups, the risks AI poses to artists' livelihoods, and potential strategies for creators to protect their work. Topics include AI-generated content, copyright infringement, and the future landscape of music production.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden [190:07]: "If you have enough oomph to make a politician publicly apologize to you for going to a concert, that says something."
• Flip [194:07]: "It's still taking data from pre existing songs and creating new songs from it."

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6. PrizePicks Promotion [197:00 - 221:00]

In alignment with podcast monetization strategies, Joe Budden introduces a promotional segment for PrizePicks, a daily fantasy sports platform. He encourages listeners to participate using a promo code for bonuses.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Budden [76:08]: "If you download Prize Picks right this very second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup."

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7. Discussions on Sports Broadcasting and Finals Coverage [221:00 - 277:00]

The hosts critique the current state of sports broadcasting, specifically NBA Finals coverage. Complaints center around commentators' professionalism, engagement during games, and the overall decline in quality when key players are absent or misbehave.

Notable Quotes:

• Melissa Ford [264:29]: "I literally bought the WNBA package... when I saw Caitlin wasn't there, she was hurt."
• Joe Budden [275:10]: "They just brought Back player introductions. We don't need our biggest and most recognizable commentator playing song."

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8. Greetings, Shoutouts, and New Music Releases [277:00 - End]

As the episode nears conclusion, the hosts exchange greetings and shoutouts to friends and listeners. They also introduce and briefly discuss new music releases from emerging artists like Destin Conrad and highlight their own creative endeavors.

Notable Quotes:

• Erickson [277:45]: "This was nothing about nothing. It's just something that was weird."
• Joe Budden [286:39]: "This is culture in the first place."

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Conclusion

Episode 835 of The Joe Budden Podcast offers a blend of personal anecdotes, sharp industry critiques, and in-depth discussions on pressing issues like AI's impact on music and the integrity of sports broadcasting. The hosts maintain their signature candid and spirited dialogue, providing valuable insights while entertaining their audience with relatable banter and laughter.

Final Notable Quote:

• Joe Budden [295:00]: "We have to be strategic and protect our culture first."

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This summary captures the essence of Episode 835, highlighting key discussions and memorable moments for both regular listeners and newcomers.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. First of all, I don't just be allowing to have just whole talks with my son. First of all, I wasn't paying attention. He did that. But I look up and see my baby in. In under duress.

[Ish]

Yeah. His face was turning red.

[Joe Budden]

I take my headphones.

[Melissa Ford]

He definitely needed help.

[Joe Budden]

And he's talking about his wingman that was holding his arm. The man's man's passionately like 1 inch frat brook dog. What is going on in here?

[Parks]

That's what you pay tuition for.

[Erickson]

Oh, so he could.

[Joe Budden]

And then Ice made some joke about how I. He. That's my boy. Because I used to take ish out. Like, what are you.

[Erickson]

He was.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand what's going on.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's all why y' all always.

[Joe Budden]

Start just like on nonsense. Why we can't never promote positivity. Being friends.

[Flip]

That's not what we do here.

[Joe Budden]

High morale. Like, y' all get it ain't even minute two yet.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

And y' all have agitated my entire bloodline. And you shooting at me with a good friend of mine. Come on, freeze.

[Erickson]

I just salute him.

[Joe Budden]

Keep it pushing. Come on.

[Erickson]

That's what he do.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Erickson]

Got you one of those.

[Joe Budden]

And I took Michael Paul out with me that part, too. Now, why. But then that started going awry. Yeah, then that started a little overlap. Yeah, that's Michael. Ball boy. Anyway, shout out to him and his wife. What's up?

[Erickson]

What's happening, man?

[Joe Budden]

This is the squad right here. I woke up excited today, huh? Talking. Hey, big bell.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, y' all?

[Erickson]

What's good?

[Joe Budden]

How y' all doing? How y' all feeling? Y' all looking good.

[Erickson]

Feel great.

[Joe Budden]

Something about rainy weather and Jersey make niggas put the all black on when they get.

[Ish]

When they get to the closet with the money in his socks. I see you, Ish. Boy, you going old school. Your socks look a little. Your ankle look a little swollen or that your age. That's money.

[Flip]

That's the shit you had surgery on.

[Ish]

Here on my fault. I don't know. I thought my man took it back.

[Parks]

Nah, my ankle don't look swollen.

[Joe Budden]

Well, and more importantly than that, I remember Some pods long, long, long, long, long ago where you was like, yo, man, if I could, like, if I really. If I was built like that, I would go get the Travis's.

[Flip]

If I was built like that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I remember that episode. My boy. Hold up now. Hold up now. Hold up now.

[Parks]

I want these sneakers.

[Flip]

I never see that line.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't work.

[Ish]

No, we don't.

[Joe Budden]

No, we don't. Keep talking to Mike. I'm not lying, though. It's ish them. I remember that episode.

[Parks]

No, the ones you got cost double with these.

[Joe Budden]

You looked in the camera. You looked at all the Israelites out there. You said, yo, y' all, I'm pretty frugal. I like saving. I like purchasing houses. But if I could, I would head to that mall. Short Hills, Garden State, Newport Central, Hudson Mall. What's that other over there by TO what's that about? Willowbrook. Willowbrook. Willowbrook. I had some times in Willowbrook, too, now.

[Erickson]

Yeah, you don't say.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. Went and got the Travis's. Make some noise. Make some noise.

[Erickson]

And you paid resale for those, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, secondary market, second thousand. No, I don't never. Foot Locker.

[Erickson]

You ain't win them.

[Joe Budden]

Let me let the Travis play for my real quick, man. We dedicated the episode to Travis and the Travis's. All right, man, we got a great show lined up for y' all. I ain't about to bleed y' all down with a bunch of music. I'm not.

[Erickson]

So going to retreat.

[Joe Budden]

We all need to de, man.

[Mark]

I can understand how it might be.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, can you turn me up in the headphones?

[Flip]

Is your all the way up, cuz? It's kind of low over here.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh, it wasn't, uh. Oh, now I'm back feeling like me. I just wanted you to.

[Melissa Ford]

Switch.

[Joe Budden]

Check, mike check. It's rainy outside but my heart is.

[Desmond Bain]

Sunny all my south side that know me best. I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex.

[Melissa Ford]

Why?

[Desmond Bain]

I made that famous. God, I made that famous for all the girls that got dick from Kanye West.

[Joe Budden]

If you see him, shout to wherever you might be listening from. Shout out to all the subgroups out there.

[Melissa Ford]

All the podcasters out there.

[Joe Budden]

Best in the world is here.

[Desmond Bain]

Fresh but we still hood famous. Yeah, we still hood famous.

[Mark]

Wanted you to know I've loved you better than your own candy from the very start. I don't blame you much for wanting to be free.

[Erickson]

Wake up, Mr. West.

[Desmond Bain]

I just want.

[Joe Budden]

To this be right here on this album. I ain't going to lie.

[Desmond Bain]

She in school to Be a real estate agent. Last month I helped her with the.

[Joe Budden]

Let'S get to it.

[Desmond Bain]

Let's get. We never going to die. I just copped the jet to fly of a personal death. Put one up in the sky.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe y' all ain't hear me in.

[Flip]

The back shout to hat.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe y' all didn't hear me in Elizabeth maybe y' all didn't hear me in Secaucus maybe y' all didn't hear me in Teaneck Tenafly demerits Woodbridge. Stop fucking playing. I said my man got the Travis's on so and sad, mother so and.

[Parks]

Sad could tell when niggas house shopping.

[Erickson]

They start naming them other cities no.

[Flip]

I just drove through Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

10 o' clock, east Orange. All right, West Orange. Watch your talk, Orange. What up out there? Irvington was bopping out there.

[Ish]

Jersey City.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, we ain't even gotta say that.

[Desmond Bain]

Snowden, she's in love with who I am Back in high school I used to bust it to the dance Now I hit that FBO with doubles in.

[Mark]

My hand I can have a Zen.

[Desmond Bain]

13 hours till I land happy out.

[Joe Budden]

Like, where we going after the party, man, where's his weirdos to work? Where are we going? Hey, hey, Shout out to all the ladies out there Every hood all over the world no matter where you listening.

[Ish]

From.

[Joe Budden]

Jesus Christ Checks over stripes yeah.

[Desmond Bain]

That'S what I like, that's what we like Lost my respect, you not a.

[Joe Budden]

Threat, all right, man, when I see.

[Desmond Bain]

My shot that shit wetty like on Shaq See the shots that I took Wet like on Book, wet like on Lizzy I be spinning Valley Circle blocks till I'm busy like, where is he?

[Melissa Ford]

No one's seen him.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to clean him this boy right here. Yeah, she's in love with who I am Back in high school I used.

[Ish]

To bust it to the dance Now.

[Desmond Bain]

I hit the FBO with duffels in my hands I did half a zan 13 hours till I lay need that.

[Flip]

Jersey back.

[Parks]

Your money.

[Erickson]

Queen ride with.

[Parks]

The mob Let me get my bag real quick.

[Erickson]

Do your job.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's right. Fix your orthopedic man, yo, fix your Medicaid elbow bag Ice, I gave these the big boogie sexy red all that last week they sat here on the couch, stoic he was pitching dummies selling fees Mad Ivory Grandma had the arthritis in her hands Bag shout out to all right, we started soon it.

[Melissa Ford]

Be.

[Erickson]

Present plain Jane Suck a.

[Joe Budden]

Suck a dick or something. I mean, it was Father's Day I Mean, it was Father's Day. That's steak and blowjob day all over again. Yeah, I mean, get your ass in that kitchen. Egg whites now. Since I'm trying to be healthy. I never said that in my life. Hey, let me get some egg whites.

[Flip]

I need a yolk.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Sorry, yo.

[Melissa Ford]

That was crazy. That was crazy.

[Flip]

Oh, yolk is.

[Joe Budden]

Give the yolk. If he wants it, yolk is safe.

[Flip]

That's a egg. I'm supposed to want the yolk.

[Erickson]

Okay, got it.

[Joe Budden]

Mike check. Keep this applause going for the best crew in this entire universe, you know what I mean? We are in the building. Let me get these drops out the way fast. Whole gang is here.

[Parks]

Whole gang is here.

[Flip]

There's nothing about wanting eggs.

[Joe Budden]

Parks, you don't have to keep defending yourself, buddy.

[Melissa Ford]

You give me that y.

[Mark]

Excuse me, sir.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry I have to wake you here.

[Mark]

Doctor who is that?

[Joe Budden]

Who is that? It's Mark Lamont Hill.

[Ish]

Pussy Flip and Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Mel. Mel. First of all, none of this is possible without prize picks. Shout out to the gang here. Brought to you by Fuel Buy, sponsored by. You already know the vibes when we in the building. What episode is this?

[Flip]

835.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 835. I am Joe Budden, also known as Joseph Anthony Button, better known as. Nah, Joe Budden. Still the real name. You rap here with some real amazing people. To my right. To my right. Hold up for a minute, man. Stop playing. How you doing?

[Ian]

I'm great.

[Melissa Ford]

Hi, Ms. Ford.

[Ian]

I'm afraid. Let's see what he's about to fucking.

[Joe Budden]

Play.

[Ish]

With the elbow pad on instead of Hoppity Hop. Better than a hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, make some noise with James in the building. Hey, shout out to the melodies. Let me hear you when you go out there.

[Melissa Ford]

Hey, girl.

[Joe Budden]

Big Melissa Ford Wig James in the building. Okay, let's see. Give it to him down by.

[Ian]

That's my favorite one.

[Joe Budden]

Wig James.

[Ian]

Yeah, it's my favorite. It's my favorite one so far.

[Joe Budden]

Melissa Ford is in the building. Make some noise next to her. Queens, get the money. Queens. Flip is in the building.

[Ish]

Yo, cheer when they say my name. Clap, smile.

[Joe Budden]

He don't really do that during nobody intro. And then on his intro, he want to sit there like, I'll be certain. Fuck out of here.

[Ish]

I'll be certain.

[Joe Budden]

Beat you up here, boy. Next to Flip. No, the vibes. Y' all seen the Travis's?

[Ish]

You seen.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the muffin shirts is back. The shop is back open. The shop is open.

[Ish]

You thought that's easy.

[Joe Budden]

We open the muffin. Hey, the muffin shirts is back. And we bought it. We took a. We took a little break, but we dusted. Hey, we went up to the attic.

[Ish]

We bought the property next to Uncle Bobby's and open the shop right there.

[Joe Budden]

And she's in the building. I spoke too soon on this.

[Ish]

Man back in business.

[Joe Budden]

Look at him.

[Ish]

Look at him. He didn't need to die today. You didn't need to die.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all see who it is? Y' all see? Hey, I don't know what y' all are doing this Saturday. Oh, I know where we going.

[Ish]

I saw the flyer.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know where I seen the flyer.

[Flip]

Oh, it's Saturday.

[Joe Budden]

This Saturday, mister. Now, let me not blow it up. Let me not blow it up, but make some noise. Big free.

[Erickson]

Glad to be back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man, we missed you. Missed you. Yeah, we did.

[Ian]

Definitely.

[Erickson]

I was pissed off Friday, crying.

[Joe Budden]

But go ahead. Go out in a good way.

[Flip]

Yeah, okay.

[Melissa Ford]

It's graduation.

[Flip]

All right, Right?

[Erickson]

Two of them.

[Melissa Ford]

Two.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Go ahead.

[Ish]

Get announcement.

[Joe Budden]

He is a child.

[Ish]

Open the laptop. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Mark here.

[Ish]

Introducing.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. There you go. Talk about it. Fresh off a flight, huh? Huh? Smelling like fucking. What? Clean the mace off you. The pepper spray? Smell Milk. Milk.

[Ish]

Milk.

[Joe Budden]

Smell like milk. Smelling like milk, mister. Keep a gallon of milk around, mister.

[Ish]

Don't call the cops no matter if I got injured.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, I got it. I don't know about that.

[Ish]

That's what he said. Don't call.

[Joe Budden]

He did say that. He did say that. Make some noise. Three time Potter of the Month. Dr. Mark.

[Erickson]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Black.

[Ish]

And he's proud.

[Joe Budden]

Big Miz up in the building.

[Flip]

The mizziest.

[Joe Budden]

The busiest, the mizziest. Elmyra's finest. Big parks in the building. Po is here. Trey's here. Cory's here. Erickson is here. I think Ian and Keeb are still here singing. Tanner Saon are here about remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of them of you guys is here. How's everybody doing? You niggas is looking like y' all bought new cologne recently. Y' all looking like y' all not just working off that 20, 21 pack of cologne. Y' all look like it's a couple bottles. Rest some perfume. What's up with y' all?

[Ish]

Good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Good, man.

[Ish]

Good.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Flip]

Chill feeling good.

[Joe Budden]

Good. Look like they had good weekends. Had a great weekend. Niggas look like they. Damn, I ain't gonna lie. Y' all niggas look good.

[Ian]

How was Father's Day collectively. What's up with Joe?

[Joe Budden]

Let's start with me. Mine was fantastic. Got my little man dressed like only dad could. Not that shit mom be putting on him. Went over to my dad's, we had some breakfast, had some good conversation, had some love. And then I left him. Left his little ass right there. I went home and got the the best of naps and didn't feel bad at all. Trey hit me, was like, yo, I got us a reservation. 5:30 fly. Little halal spot. Let me know if that's. If that's your bag. I don't know if that's our bag. I hit him around 3:30. Big dog dead. Dad, Daddy, I'm going to bed. And there's nothing y' all could do to guilt me out of it. Cause on Mother's Day, when I call the moms up, they be like, no, take this little nigga. And I want the day free. So I got the day free. And it was a blast. And my kids still love me, and I love them. How about you guys?

[Ish]

Me, I was out of town.

[Joe Budden]

I was out of town.

[Ish]

Indianapolis. Working on some content.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what's out in Indianapolis?

[Ish]

Just a content place. Just a place that I chose just to be adventurous.

[Melissa Ford]

Kaylin Clark.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

One assist for Mark. Smooth.

[Melissa Ford]

I look at him now.

[Ish]

No, I went out there, did some content out there. Father's Day without the family. You know, it's the first one, it was a little sad, but, you know.

[Melissa Ford]

It gets easier each year.

[Ish]

Yeah, the noise in the house. No, it doesn't. The noise in the house distracted me from that. But I got a nice message from my children and my wife. And it was nice. Just filming and having fun.

[Joe Budden]

Providing.

[Parks]

Getting money.

[Joe Budden]

Providing.

[Ish]

I gotta provide.

[Joe Budden]

Burning, keeping a roof over the head, keeping food in the fridge, keeping the lights on. Hey, the vacuum. It's bags in the vacuum. Some niggas got roombas.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, listen, stop playing with us. What's a good Father's Day without an understanding family? Cause niggas can't just go out of town. I got the perfect setup. You niggas be so mad. I see your think pieces out there. My setup is wonderful. Nigga, it's like the automatic leather, fancy leather couch that you just press the button and it just makes you feel soothing and sleep. Nigga, my shit is lit.

[Joe Budden]

It's Father's Day. Every time y' all sit on the couch for me, remind me of when dad went in Bob's furniture. Nigga, motherfucker was the Jennifer convertible. Huh? Hey, who Raised their prices.

[Parks]

Yeah. They still around?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. They ain't the jeepest no more neither. The couches with the buttons and the cup holders and the WiFi, the price went up, even in there.

[Parks]

And the white.

[Melissa Ford]

The white stitches.

[Joe Budden]

No. Yeah, no dead ass.

[Erickson]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

The white stitches for my basement. Yeah. I wanted a nice, cheap.

[Ish]

Kept my clothes.

[Melissa Ford]

My wife wouldn't let me get an expensive couch because I'm a child, so I went to one of them spots. This is amazing.

[Flip]

This isn't the same couch that you spoke about.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. This is the basement.

[Ish]

Like, got it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Not the.

[Parks]

Not the sleep man cave couch.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it. Yeah. Not the sleep divorce couch.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Parks]

That's nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Just lunch.

[Parks]

My family, man. That's it.

[Ish]

What did you have?

[Erickson]

Fish.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

You in this fishy caviar, right?

[Joe Budden]

Father's Day.

[Ish]

What kind of some bull.

[Erickson]

No, no, he has some exquisite.

[Flip]

Yeah, he's a little breno.

[Ish]

Bass, fish.

[Flip]

Sea bass, large mouth.

[Erickson]

Black joint.

[Joe Budden]

It's fire.

[Parks]

Fire.

[Melissa Ford]

Where the restaurant at?

[Parks]

Nah, it was home.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, at the crib.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Your mother in law came through and cook using your mother in law?

[Melissa Ford]

Enough.

[Ish]

Take her on a trip.

[Parks]

Yeah, she a monster.

[Ish]

She's a chef and she do every puree. Everything all right, nigga.

[Parks]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Who went out and got the fish? Did they go fishing for a king?

[Parks]

What the hell is four king for a king?

[Erickson]

They went and caught that fat.

[Parks]

No, no, no, no, no. They go to this special.

[Melissa Ford]

Little late.

[Parks]

Nah, for real.

[Erickson]

It's a special fish spot that, you.

[Parks]

Know, the foreigners don't play.

[Ish]

That's what's up.

[Ian]

Catch it.

[Joe Budden]

But when they went to get the fish, what was you in the crib doing? Just lamping. Just lamping, huh? Sleep. Sleep with his T shirt on like a king.

[Ish]

You still sleep with the T shirt on, don't you?

[Joe Budden]

Right. Travis is by the bed, waiting to go out. Waiting. Waiting to get on Father's Day gift.

[Melissa Ford]

Wait, was he. That was.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire.

[Erickson]

No, we didn't. Y' all are lying.

[Melissa Ford]

We be here every day, dog.

[Joe Budden]

You've never worn Travis Scottish.

[Erickson]

We would have made these jokes then.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. You said you were saving up.

[Melissa Ford]

Mad, mad times.

[Flip]

I'm not gonna co. Sign that. I can't.

[Joe Budden]

All right, y' all.

[Parks]

They gonna find it.

[Flip]

Is it Mike?

[Joe Budden]

Is it? Well, until they do.

[Melissa Ford]

Right?

[Ish]

Get my jokes.

[Joe Budden]

It's a beautiful thing when you save enough for some and then you get it.

[Parks]

I didn't save up.

[Joe Budden]

Keep trying to play. All right, I remember the Episode. You saved us id. Yo, when y' all find the episode watch.

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he said, yo, you do. I'm not. I can't do it. I'm not the type to. I can't. I gotta say these.

[Parks]

Not those.

[Joe Budden]

Those are Travis's.

[Ish]

Yeah, those.

[Erickson]

Those say Cactus Jackal.

[Parks]

No, and it's the price difference. Your shits was too good.

[Flip]

Those the entry level. Travis's.

[Parks]

No, it's.

[Melissa Ford]

Or did your man's hook you up like you got. Like they fell off a truck.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you know anyway, bro.

[Erickson]

Yeah, you know. Ish. Got small feet.

[Melissa Ford]

Big.

[Joe Budden]

What you do big feet.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, them size sixes. Yeah, you can get them cheaper.

[Joe Budden]

I was just talking about. About you having Travis's on. I wasn't talking about mine. Comparison is the devil's breakfast. Your Travis.

[Ish]

Yo, where the did you get that from? Like you be just saying.

[Ian]

That is so not.

[Parks]

Idiot. Idle time is the devil workshop.

[Melissa Ford]

And I heard comparison is a thief of joy, but he just remixed that. His diddy ass nigga over here.

[Joe Budden]

Rapper break.

[Melissa Ford]

The devil's breakfast.

[Joe Budden]

The devil's breakfast.

[Melissa Ford]

What the are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I want to be d' Angelo. Me. Devil's body.

[Parks]

Yo, anyway, man, this rapper brain.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, y' all? Yeah, covered up, cuz you ain't lotion down.

[Ian]

Shut the up. Leave me alone.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's cool.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Ish]

Freeze, man.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze. Freeze. Father's Day.

[Erickson]

Oh, no. I had one of the best Father's Day ever. Breakfast in bed. Like, yo, don't wake, don't get up whenever you want. I take care of everything, even from baby moms. Put a dope ass collage together of pictures of me from me and my daughter from when she was born all the way to her graduation. That occurred a couple days before. Fire cards from the kids. Like I said, I cried all weekend.

[Parks]

I'm not freezing.

[Ish]

It gets better for you every year, don't you?

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Same shit last year had the best.

[Erickson]

Well, and this one topped last year.

[Joe Budden]

I love it.

[Erickson]

Shit just keep getting better.

[Ish]

I love it.

[Erickson]

More importantly, though, I was going to say, y' all remember the family member that I told y' all about that I will never speak to again? Yes.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Erickson]

We squashed that.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Yeah, we squashed.

[Ish]

That's what's up.

[Erickson]

We met up. We met up Wednesday. Had a real. Hugged it out, had a conversation, talked.

[Parks]

Got all our shit. You cried some more?

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, man, that's dope. Who initiated it?

[Erickson]

The conversation?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Well, we were there. You know. I know the situation with my pops, so we were there for that. And then we just started talking. She did though.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Erickson]

She was like, yo, come here, let me holler at you real quick.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Erickson]

And then I got ready to say something and she was just like, yo, before you say a word, let me let know you. You know, I'm sorry for all that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Aww.

[Erickson]

And then we just.

[Melissa Ford]

It goes a long way. Apologies go a long way.

[Parks]

They should be saying that accountability is a monster.

[Erickson]

So I've had the week. Like, I've been on a high all week.

[Melissa Ford]

It's God's lunch.

[Erickson]

That's a good one.

[Joe Budden]

When you high all week. That's facts.

[Melissa Ford]

That's facts.

[Erickson]

But that's fun.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't do much, man. Saturday I was. My daughter came up to see me. Cause I was gonna be out of town on Sunday and I was in Chicago almost until like 7pm so Saturday I was with her. But my back was super jacked up. I was laid out the whole time. Went to a couple doctors. So. But it was nice to have my daughter there because she was able to help me deal with my son. And it was beautiful, man, just to spend time with her. She was.

[Joe Budden]

You do need help with your son. That.

[Melissa Ford]

He'S a psychopath. He tore this mother up and it's been. You're right.

[Erickson]

That heard Muffin in Spanish and it was over.

[Melissa Ford]

He lost it. He lost it. But yeah, no, it was good for them to see them. First time I'd seen her in six months because she had been in Spain doing a study abroad. Oh, wow. And now she pay to have a rich daddy. Whatever, man. And now she's down in D.C. doing some intern stuff. So it was really nice to finally see her and him and see them. It's just great. It was great. And then when I came back on Sunday night, we went. My wife took me to dinner. She got me a bunch of great gifts.

[Joe Budden]

Fire.

[Melissa Ford]

Which is the best part for me. Cause they're always so thoughtful, you know. And it was good. It was good. I feel good. I had a good weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Monday morning I put my baby a little bank of America card to some good use. Some good usage. Yeah. Shout out to her. Shout out to her.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Fire.

[Joe Budden]

So all of that was great. Do you brothers and ladies want to take a time to pan to the camera and speak to your other sons, your other children that you may have out there?

[Melissa Ford]

I'm good. Oh, I definitely all my possibles walked. So.

[Ian]

I think I'd remember if I had a kid. So. No. Anybody else flip no, Flip.

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

Catch me if you can.

[Ish]

I think I know what you mean. I think I know what you mean. Right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I didn't know. I'm speaking in gold.

[Ish]

You're not talking about children. Children. You just talking about that you fathered in the.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And you feel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, hey, yo, I'm up. You still my son.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Listen, Daddy's home.

[Joe Budden]

There's a few of y' all out there that I didn't show all the attention that I really wanted to this year here because I've been overwhelmed with work. I want y' all to know I'm proud of y' all. Some of y' all have made strides. I've seen the BET pre show. I've seen you. I've seen the pre show. When you was up there, I was in bed clapping. Who else? I seen my. Hey, my sons did like they do. Too bad this year. I ain't gonna lie, nigga. I had to shut up like, oh, these progressing all right. I hate you. Mel.

[Erickson]

Mel, want to join me so bad.

[Joe Budden]

Kick these.

[Ian]

I mean, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I want to let y' all know I'm still here. Y' all are still on my mind, and I still love each and every one of y' all, and I will get back to you soon. Okay? That's it, man. Keep it light. Keep it like. Anyway, where would you guys and girl like to begin? Where would y' all like to forget? Hold up, y' all. We can't do a pod with this much energy. Hold up, y' all. We. We talking over each other. It's laughter.

[Flip]

One mic, one mic.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, come on, y' all. Calm down a little bit. Where do you want to go?

[Melissa Ford]

I mistakenly assumed, thinking that I knew you better than I do, that you were gonna lead off with a Steve Harvey joke. That's where I thought you were going.

[Flip]

Ah.

[Joe Budden]

And because I've gotten to know you quite so well, I knew that if I didn't, you would.

[Ish]

Take it away. Cap.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I don't have a joke, and I definitely don't have any audio cues up. But there's a new trend on the Internet where they, at least among the JBTV community, to pull back some of our greatest hits.

[Joe Budden]

And I hate that because my whole life was trash past seven years ago.

[Melissa Ford]

Right? Well, they pulled out one of Melissa, Savannah Ford, me.

[Flip]

You the one and only.

[Melissa Ford]

The other.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Ish]

Yeah. When Steve Harvey saw her on a red carpet or something like that.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, they saw each other. Cause you started off with a Very. Somebody said, I went to Steve Harvey. And you were like, hey, Mr. Harvey, you don't remember this? Do you remember this interaction?

[Flip]

No, no, it's on film. So.

[Melissa Ford]

So it definitely happened. I saw it like four times. Okay, here it is right here. Four T times.

[Joe Budden]

There it is.

[Melissa Ford]

Why don't we play it? You know what you.

[Joe Budden]

You've done now? Steve Harvey is doing a whole another interview and you're doing a separate interview, right? I'll play it for you from here.

[Ian]

Say that.

[Joe Budden]

Hi, Mr. Harvey.

[Melissa Ford]

You know what?

[Ish]

You.

[Joe Budden]

You've done great things.

[Ish]

Steve is coming over here. Steve, I know you going to come.

[Joe Budden]

Hang out with us. There you go, Steve. I'm going put Steve right over here, cuz he.

[Ish]

Steve.

[Joe Budden]

Steve. What was that note? I'm gonna pause it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Do you remember it now?

[Ian]

Vaguely. Yeah. It's. It's backstage at the BET Awards and trying to guess by like my hairstyle. I don't care about that.

[Joe Budden]

Were you ready?

[Ish]

2006 temperature's rising.

[Ian]

I mean, girl.

[Joe Budden]

That'S my only. I didn't want to know. Were you ready? He doesn't mean prepared. Just answer me.

[Erickson]

Drop my Krispy Kreme and that light be on it. Krispy Kreme.

[Joe Budden]

Beating around the bush with this one, yo. That's my only question. And I'm tossing it to more educated brothers.

[Ian]

You do realize that every time I left the house during that stage of my life, I was in character. The minute I walked out the door, I was in character.

[Melissa Ford]

What character were you playing in that moment?

[Joe Budden]

Who are you?

[Ish]

Jessica Rabbit Hollow.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, all right, so my new question is, was your character ready?

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

This is some Vi now.

[Erickson]

I didn't seen some.

[Joe Budden]

Some Vanna Ford movies. Let me tell you something. If this is a character, let me just play one more time, man.

[Ish]

Easy.

[Joe Budden]

Steve.

[Ish]

Tell us about you coming back to.

[Joe Budden]

La and then, you know, Melissa doing her thing.

[Ish]

I mean, we got.

[Desmond Bain]

We got it.

[Joe Budden]

All right. You all in his face.

[Erickson]

Put your teeth away.

[Joe Budden]

Melissa is done. She can she come on your shoulder. There's a lot of teeth in this little.

[Parks]

She can move in my house, actually.

[Ian]

I'm so adorable.

[Joe Budden]

I am.

[Ish]

Oh, my God.

[Ian]

Do you hear my voice? I sound like a baby.

[Melissa Ford]

Baby, it's with you right up to that last word.

[Ish]

I didn't hear that part. Baby bird.

[Joe Budden]

One more time. One more time. See what's going on?

[Ish]

What you said.

[Ian]

I'm moving to la.

[Joe Budden]

Steve.

[Melissa Ford]

Ra. He said he lived in LA and was single.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my.

[Parks]

And you could live in this house.

[Erickson]

And then you could live in this house.

[Ian]

I don't remember any of this, by the way.

[Melissa Ford]

I believe you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I am.

[Melissa Ford]

This was just a Tuesday.

[Ish]

You got.

[Ian]

I think I'm up for the challenge.

[Ish]

Oh, what?

[Melissa Ford]

That was the.

[Ish]

You was.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm up for the challenge.

[Joe Budden]

Holy.

[Ish]

She threw herself on a. She threw herself on a platter.

[Parks]

Take me.

[Ian]

Look, I got. Oh, take that the fuck out the computer.

[Joe Budden]

I got.

[Ian]

But small. Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

If you don't get. So can you answer my question? And then I'm tossing to them. I don't want to spend too much time censoring.

[Parks]

Mel.

[Joe Budden]

We have a show to get to. But this did go lightweight viral, and it seemed. It seems like I could be wrong. Seems like you're ready. Seems like you're ready, girl. You was ready to go all the way to Steve.

[Ish]

All the way.

[Joe Budden]

No, you was ready.

[Ian]

I was not. I was totally just playing into the role of Melissa Ford, AKA Jessica Rabbit. It was very much a part of my Persona at that point. It was a huge part of my Persona.

[Joe Budden]

You was gonna fuck Mr. Hightower.

[Ian]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

[Ish]

Shout out to you.

[Ian]

No, shout out to our girl.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think she would have done it.

[Joe Budden]

Me neither. I'm just think.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, it's your body. You have a right to. If you wanted to. I'm just saying.

[Ian]

Yeah, but you know me.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Melissa Ford]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. I don't think he.

[Ish]

If he knew, he would. I don't think you know you that well.

[Melissa Ford]

I know Melissa quite well, and I. I. It's funny to look at that video and flashback to those. You know, to that era. Yeah, super interesting.

[Ish]

All right, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Listen.

[Ish]

You putting it right there for me. Please stop. You putting it right on my. You acting like how she was with Steve. You putting the planner right there. No, let's move on.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm just.

[Ish]

I'm practicing something new called Leave Melissa's Business Alone.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. No, it just went viral, so it was interesting.

[Joe Budden]

Mel and Mark just got clips that pop up. That's just like. They so entertaining.

[Melissa Ford]

We've had different lives, different personalities.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Lived. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Bestie Hart. It's nothing big. It just made me laugh to see that and watch you flirt with him.

[Joe Budden]

That is.

[Ian]

It's funny to watch it myself.

[Joe Budden]

So you do know that that was flirting?

[Ian]

Yeah, of course.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay. I thought you was gonna deny it. Honestly.

[Ish]

I took that nigga. You don't know about that nigga she don't hide from.

[Ian]

No, of course I'm not denying that that was flirting, but I'm saying that that was such a huge part of my Persona that literally you'd be hard pressed to find an interview where I didn't come across like I was flirting. Like, you know, if I'm considered, like, this pinup girl, which I literally was, because I had calendars and posters and the covers of magazines, I'm gonna do.

[Melissa Ford]

On the ish for a minute. Can I ask a question?

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Can you then see how back then, in the height of your era, people may not have seen you the way you thought you were being seen, given what you just said.

[Ish]

Oh, he shut up. He shut up. I didn't know that.

[Ian]

You didn't eat right there. You didn't eat?

[Joe Budden]

You didn't eat?

[Ian]

You didn't eat? You didn't eat? With that comment and the fact that you all got.

[Melissa Ford]

I was trying to eat. I was really asking.

[Joe Budden]

Immature. You didn't eat like you thought you would.

[Melissa Ford]

No, because I eat nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Trying to get part of the mall. No.

[Ian]

It's some fucking tag team shit and it's fucking stupid because I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Nowhere did I say that people regarded me as Mother Teresa.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Melissa Ford]

Not that at all.

[Ian]

I never. I never said that at all.

[Melissa Ford]

You didn't say that.

[Ian]

You know, but I also said flirtation doesn't mean that you're a.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no, no. I'm talking about.

[Ian]

That's the ass. That is literally what, this couch.

[Melissa Ford]

That's not it. It's no point at me. I won't get too heavy. But it's the Persona I'm talking about, not you.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Melissa Ford]

Like you said, there was a Persona that people thought was you. And that's the thing we were trying to say to you is that there's a way people saw you. That's exactly what. That's exactly what we've been talking about the whole time.

[Flip]

Until that damn book came out.

[Melissa Ford]

Right. Until that.

[Parks]

Right?

[Melissa Ford]

That's all I was.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Ian]

I got it. I see where we're at today.

[Melissa Ford]

New move.

[Ian]

I got it. I see where the. I see it, I see it, I see it. It's cool. It's cool.

[Melissa Ford]

Am I missing something?

[Ian]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Ish]

Don't worry about it, man. I got you. I got you.

[Ian]

How you got me? Go ahead.

[Ish]

No, I got you. Dance another. This Bell of sporting. They played this the other day and I thought when you said you like that song about dancing with your dad.

[Melissa Ford]

You is gang.

[Ish]

You call me gang. That bother. I don't like to say that back now. This is the best song ever. You like dancing with your father's gay.

[Joe Budden]

I never danced with my dad.

[Flip]

See, look, I never danced with my dad either.

[Melissa Ford]

Me either.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Melissa Ford]

But there's nothing wrong with. And the fact.

[Flip]

There's nothing wrong with it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I dance with my son.

[Joe Budden]

There's something wrong with it.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't. But I would.

[Joe Budden]

There's something wrong with it. If you're up.

[Ish]

What we doing, man?

[Flip]

What kind of dancing?

[Joe Budden]

If your dad ever did crack.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, like. Like, you know, like you tweet.

[Joe Budden]

Twirl.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, like. Yes.

[Ish]

With your pops.

[Melissa Ford]

If you listen to the song, he's dancing with his mom and his dad, though.

[Flip]

Does he twirl you or do you twirl him?

[Ish]

This song had a lot of hidden messages, so I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

There's no hidden message. He just loved his dad and his dad died when he was 16. 16? Yeah.

[Flip]

I thought it was happy belated Father's Day.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, he's younger than actually six. Excuse me?

[Joe Budden]

Six.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

He's a baby.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Luther and you. Happy birthday to y' all. Who had a birthday on Father's Day? Buck. It's a few of y' all that. That's a good birthday shout.

[Flip]

The Buck.

[Joe Budden]

Where would you like to go? Oh, good.

[Melissa Ford]

Now, y' all was humming R. Kelly.

[Joe Budden]

I'm shooting you back for. I'm getting you too.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Melissa Ford]

I wasn't trying to shoot.

[Joe Budden]

No, it don't matter, bro.

[Ish]

We not playing now.

[Joe Budden]

Now it's on. You took it too far now. Exactly.

[Melissa Ford]

You with the wrong one now, buddy.

[Ish]

The old po. Some trick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, cool. And then shot.

[Erickson]

I don't like that.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he do. And Mel been telling him for weeks.

[Ish]

That he been doing that. And she asked you to stop now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

First of all, we're gonna call you tonight at 7:15. Because we know if we call you at 10, my other arm will be broke. So I'm gonna call you at 7:15.

[Joe Budden]

You keep trying to throw niggas off with these little tight jeans.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I'm not shooting at nobody. I'm happy to shoot. I'm not afraid to shoot. I just wasn't shooting. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

That was a good setup.

[Melissa Ford]

It wasn't a setup. I really was. Just thought this was.

[Joe Budden]

All right, how about this? From this point on, can the people that like to shoot on here Ish Mark flip.

[Ish]

I don't like to shoot anymore. My guns.

[Erickson]

Why you Stop at them names, though.

[Parks]

No. Why, you started them names?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Can y' all chill out? Just this episode and next episode we can shoot again. Like, let's get a break.

[Flip]

White Flags.

[Parks]

I sold all my guns back to the state. They gave me money. I'm not shooting at a motherfucker.

[Joe Budden]

I'm leaving.

[Melissa Ford]

White Flags.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga don't want to beef in the traffic. He don't want to scuff him up. You bought the cleaner, Joe?

[Parks]

These sneakers are mad old.

[Flip]

The little brush.

[Parks]

I don't know what you talking about, Rocky.

[Joe Budden]

Forget it, though. Sneakers. What's important.

[Melissa Ford]

So R. Kelly and that's y' all were humming R. Kelly. At least we could mention the fact that he was rushed to the hospital today.

[Parks]

For what?

[Joe Budden]

Because apparently the hospital. The hospital, the jail staff gave him too much meds. He overdosed on whatever meds he was supposed to be getting. So he was rushed out of there.

[Melissa Ford]

But his team is saying they tried.

[Joe Budden]

To kill him, that they tried to kill him.

[Melissa Ford]

That is a plot to murder R. Kelly here by the prison.

[Ish]

Well, there was some inmate. There was an inmate that came forward before, you know, that stated that he was hired to kill R. Kelly. I don't know if you heard about that.

[Joe Budden]

Have you heard about that?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I never believed that stuff.

[Ish]

Oh, you don't believe that stuff?

[Melissa Ford]

I don't believe anything.

[Ish]

And there's some documentation that you know.

[Joe Budden]

You don't believe the men, huh?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I don't believe it's just him. It's a few people that when they got these long ass cases, suddenly they all got plots to murder them and they all want to get out forever. That's all I'm saying. To me, it seems like a legal strategy to me. That's hard.

[Erickson]

I see.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, if I went to spend the next two years in Hudson county or Essex county, they would try to kill me.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, yeah, I mean, but you're you.

[Flip]

Or you would say they're trying to kill me so I can get the.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck up out of here.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, they would drive kill. You think it's fake.

[Parks]

So you think. Wouldn't he just be stabbed 14 times with some bullshit?

[Melissa Ford]

No, I think he really got stabbed. I'm saying, though, people using it as a. It becomes an opportunity sometimes. Like, hey, I ain't mad. I would do the same thing.

[Parks]

If a kill stabbed me 14 times. They was trying to kill me. And if a nigga's trying to kill me, I'm trying to get the fuck out of here. So you talk about it's an opportunity. I think it's a.

[Joe Budden]

It's an opportunity to save my life. Yeah.

[Erickson]

In the Tory case. Case he's in there for. We're not debating the case at all. Just dealing with the facts of where we at now. He's in there for a crime against a woman. A lot of times. Crimes against kids, crimes against women, they'll you up.

[Ian]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

That's facts.

[Ian]

That is true.

[Joe Budden]

That's facts.

[Ian]

I don't see that being a reason to.

[Erickson]

To be let out.

[Ian]

Yeah. Just move you to another prison where you can be amongst other people who are charged with and convicted of those same crimes.

[Joe Budden]

Crimes.

[Melissa Ford]

Or go to PC.

[Ian]

That too.

[Joe Budden]

So Meg has the jail riding.

[Erickson]

No, I say that.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't think that has anything to do with it.

[Erickson]

It has nothing to do with that. I didn't say that at all. Know. Know what you go for what you in here for.

[Joe Budden]

I'll be here all day. I don't care if this is how y' all want to do it. I'll roll with all of this. All right. No crimes.

[Erickson]

Gets worse.

[Joe Budden]

Women, I get it. I agree.

[Melissa Ford]

Children, I give you. But, you know, I don't know how a lot of niggas in jail did against women. Not saying that, unfortunately. Anyway, all I'm saying is that I think R. Kelly, I mean, maybe they gave him more food, maybe. Maybe they gave more medicine than he should have. I'm not saying that he's not right about the overdose. Just like I'm saying Tory really got stabbed.

[Ian]

I'm saying the intention was. Is. Is lacking.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. And that there might be an angle here to say, hey, let me out of prison because. Because of it. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying they're taking as opportunities to get out. And if I was in prison, I would do the same thing. I'm not mad at that. Again, I don't even believe in prison. But what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that there's a grand plot by the US Government to kill R. Kelly is all I'm saying. That seems unlikely.

[Joe Budden]

If I was the US Government, I would be so pissed that everybody always put the bullshit on my jacket. Well, that's because some of these niggas I may have tried to bust, move on. But the other side, y' all just putting bodies on me now.

[Melissa Ford]

Right? And they good, but they good at it. They killed so many people, they could kill Martin Luther King and they can't get the R. Kelly. That's all I'm saying. They could kill Malcolm X. They can't get the R. Kelly.

[Parks]

Like he said it was the government trying to kill him.

[Melissa Ford]

Well if you say it's the. He said it's the prison system, not a prisoner. But like the prisons.

[Parks]

Oh, that's possible.

[Joe Budden]

Careful, buddy. I still want a scale. Chill, miss.

[Melissa Ford]

My bad.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. Nah. The first time I seen that JFK doc, I was like, what?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But they can't get the king R and B.

[Flip]

Come on in prison, right?

[Melissa Ford]

That seems like a pretty easy one.

[Flip]

Layup.

[Joe Budden]

Why would somebody want to kill R. Kelly? Right?

[Melissa Ford]

I mean I can think of some people that would.

[Parks]

I had a good job.

[Joe Budden]

Good. My nigga.

[Parks]

I'm fine.

[Flip]

I'm not even sure if I can think of people that would.

[Joe Budden]

The people he thinking about negotiated their kids.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

There's that these.

[Flip]

These parents and the victims wanted to stay there.

[Joe Budden]

Well so Stockholm.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

Stockholm. Stockholm.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Stockholm. Y I. I learned a lot from this podcast. I do.

[Parks]

Ditto.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that this could be like educational for me. Toasto part what you learn you man.

[Melissa Ford]

You learn Doctor, can't you just let me sit? Can't I just agree with man?

[Joe Budden]

All right, so R. Kelly's out of here and no one gives a on these couches.

[Ian]

I mean prayers, prayers, thoughts and prayers.

[Melissa Ford]

And I got no thoughts and prayers for you evil.

[Joe Budden]

I knew he was going to say that.

[Melissa Ford]

Is that the rule? Do we have to have thoughts and prayers for everybody to think?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, you graduated to that song.

[Ian]

Hey, Mark, question for since you don't believe in incarceration, what do you think should have happened to R. Kelly?

[Melissa Ford]

Should is an interesting word.

[Ian]

In your utopian society, how would he have been handled?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, get him out.

[Melissa Ford]

That's a different question. Okay, so in my non utopian world, I would have hoped. I'm not saying it's right, but I would have hoped he would have been handled a different way with the streets.

[Ian]

The streets would have got it, got justice, got it.

[Melissa Ford]

But in the proper thing, R. Kelly would have been managed much earlier. There have been interventions. He clearly has mental health issues. He would have been forced to undergo mental health care and treatment and separate it from society. We would have civil orders to keep him away from all young people. We would have done all the things to protect society while holding him accountable.

[Joe Budden]

While bumping grind was out. Oh yeah, for sure he don't knock it off.

[Melissa Ford]

Shit. Maybe one maybe the elite album you Know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's when they should go. Yeah, that's when they. I mean. Cause that was the first sign. You know what I mean? And I think they have to do that. We have to do that. Because now he's just in jail for a million years and the victims aren't really made whole. You know, all of that. And, and to Joe's point, there has to be accountability for these parents. Because I don't want to pretend that R. Kelly was just preying on these children.

[Ian]

Yeah, no, some of these parents serve their kids up with like on a platinum. Yeah, absolutely.

[Flip]

That happens. Outside of. Yes, I've heard stories. I'm not going to divulge too much, but from people I know that work in school systems. Systems and have encountered that firsthand, it's like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so conspiracy.

[Flip]

No, it's not conspiracy.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you said some parents.

[Flip]

Some parents.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you said you know some things.

[Melissa Ford]

What do you know for.

[Joe Budden]

No, he told me you said you.

[Erickson]

Not conspiracy theory.

[Flip]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Not conspiracy theory.

[Erickson]

You in a conspiracy.

[Joe Budden]

This is a charge.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly. He's making an allegation against you right now.

[Joe Budden]

If you don't know some things but you not at liberty to say, that's a.

[Ish]

He's saying that he's not going to tell the person who divulged the information to him.

[Melissa Ford]

He's just not revealing his source.

[Ish]

He's not revealing his source that.

[Flip]

It'S not a conspiracy. Cuz those people are dealing with law enforcement. But they're not helping because there's no like proof or whatever.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just joking.

[Parks]

In the bed.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Flip]

I would like there to be something I can do, but I can't.

[Ish]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, she on your ass.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I can see it.

[Joe Budden]

No, you gonna get it.

[Ian]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And he deserves it.

[Melissa Ford]

It was a legit question and he deserves it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sick of all that Gotcha moment shit. All right, what else is important or unimportant in here? I'm leaving it to y' all because if I go on my phone, it's like some deep bullshit in there.

[Parks]

I mean, it's raining.

[Ish]

Yeah, everything is deep.

[Melissa Ford]

I see Drake up here chumping people in. In Canada.

[Ian]

Wait, what?

[Flip]

Politicians.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Why do I have to know who this guy is? I'm mad that I even know who this. I don't know who he is. But why is this news again?

[Melissa Ford]

Jagmeet Singh is a very popular democratic, left leaning liberal politician in Canada. Anyway, he went to the Drake show. Apparently Kendrick. I'm sorry, the Kendrick show? Excuse me. He went to the Kendrick show. Drake wasn't happy about it. Sent him a DM calling him a woman.

[Ish]

You a goof, dude.

[Melissa Ford]

Goofy said that right after midnight, dude made a public apology to Drake saying, I only went for SZA and said I fully stand with Drake in the Kendrick beef. I'm like, what? It was so cowardly and embarrassing, man.

[Joe Budden]

But the Internet is the Internet. Yep. They keep receipts and they got em and they pulled up. Homeboy having the time of his life to not like us.

[Parks]

Ain't my nerve.

[Joe Budden]

He was having a slice Jacques meat.

[Ish]

Oh, man.

[Ian]

Well, we were discussing up here last week, you know, Drake's power and influence.

[Flip]

In Drake's the Kingdom Canada.

[Ian]

There you go. There is a perfect example of it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, explain it to me like, I'm.

[Parks]

A first grader, fam. If you have enough oomph to make a politician publicly apologize to you for going to a concert, that says something.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

I don't know if we can.

[Erickson]

All because you DM'd him and called him a goof. Ain't said nothing else. Yo, you a goof.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Oh, I gotta clear that up immediately.

[Ian]

Private insult, public apology.

[Parks]

Sorry, sir.

[Ian]

Wild.

[Melissa Ford]

Like, if Hakeem Jeffries stood up on the Twitter right now, said, I apologize to Kendrick Lamar for going to the drink.

[Parks]

I apologize for Joe Button for watching somebody else show.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, like, that'd be wild. Yeah, there be a lot. It would be a lot. I mean, Drake is one of the most influential artists in Canadian history.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up for a minute, all right? Explain it to me like I'm in kindergarten. Yes, I understand the point that you're making. That's fly.

[Parks]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

And it does show something. I just don't get where the power part is.

[Parks]

The power. I don't want to piss him off.

[Joe Budden]

You called him a goofball. Yeah, he apologized so I can insult. But he did go to the show, and if he could do it again, he says, maybe I wouldn't have went to the show.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't equate the politician dude and his live concert choices to power. Power.

[Parks]

No, the power is now.

[Joe Budden]

If they're doing other back there, that that's not seen, then I'm with you. I'm just not chalking this up to power.

[Erickson]

He felt he needed to clean this up.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Erickson]

Speaks to the power that Drake has here. I don't want to be on his wrong side no matter what.

[Ian]

Yes.

[Erickson]

So I need to clean Drake. All he said was, yo, You a goof. And privately, it ain't like, yo, you.

[Parks]

Know what we working on.

[Erickson]

Yo, I'm not with you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not rolling.

[Parks]

I'm pulling my.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all. No. Y' all are gonna brainwash my independent thinking. Or. And. And that's still fly. Don't think I'm taking that away. But. Or this politician dude is a.

[Ian]

Well, there's that.

[Joe Budden]

Why we gotta hold up. This wouldn't be the first time that we've seen one of the Toronto politicians. Politicians do some. All right. Two is bitching. Why though, right?

[Erickson]

Because they. They ain't did it to no other Toronto artists.

[Parks]

Or it speaks to him or another might not have made this particular act like a.

[Joe Budden]

You know, when Eric Adams was telling y' all about the difference between New York and Kansas. That's just how I look at some of this stuff. Like what y' all saying is right.

[Parks]

And guess what happened. But in New York, Eric Adams is the same nigga that got up there and said, Mr. Trump, I apologize. Mr. Trump. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is you smarter than this? Eric Adams is related to Bishop Whitehead. I know you know what the Is going on. You know what's going on related to.

[Parks]

The rest of them. That.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Don't.

[Erickson]

No, no, keep that careful views.

[Melissa Ford]

The views of Anto Marbury only reflect his own and not the JO network. Any of his co host.

[Joe Budden]

Unfortunately, that separate the drama everything. No, that's coming out.

[Parks]

It was funny though.

[Joe Budden]

But it was very funny.

[Parks]

Got coming out.

[Joe Budden]

That was funny. But some RA is funny. I locked anyway.

[Parks]

But yo, you.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all ain't getting me jammed up this summer. I'm trying to have a good summer. I'm trying to have a good summer. I don't want no smoke. I don't want no beef.

[Erickson]

So is homeboy.

[Ian]

He's trying to have a good time.

[Parks]

He's trying to have a good time. I don't want no smoke.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have no comment on this. This is some of the bitchiest I ever seen in my life.

[Ish]

It is.

[Ian]

But you would think that a politician has better, you know, bigger fish to fry than worrying about his presence at a concert. Insulting Drake. But apparently not. That is what. That is what makes the situation.

[Parks]

We've seen instances of like this. This happening since we've been bro.

[Erickson]

This the. That said, yo, you got issues at the. At the border. I can make a call, get you through.

[Joe Budden]

Boom.

[Erickson]

Like, he got some.

[Ish]

He. He moved.

[Erickson]

He got some movement up there. We've also heard other say, yo, I had A show up there. And I couldn't make it to my show because he called and said, don't let me through. He got some.

[Parks]

Whether you want to call.

[Erickson]

Whether whatever level you want to equate it to.

[Joe Budden]

To.

[Erickson]

He got some poll up there. They know it. They're reacting like they do.

[Flip]

We have a Canadian right here.

[Joe Budden]

I know. Making her bread and butter here in New Jersey.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Because, like, what the Are these talking.

[Melissa Ford]

Somebody made a call.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all talking to a New Yorker about Toronto power. I get it. It is. It's powerful out there.

[Melissa Ford]

Who does anybody. Does any rapper in the United States. I would say Jay Z. Yes. Does any other rapper in the United States have that kind of power?

[Parks]

No.

[Melissa Ford]

Even the power that we're alleging Drake to have?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Flip]

Nationally, no, but I'm sure locally for sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, yeah. Locally for sure.

[Erickson]

Hell, yeah.

[Parks]

Locally, yes. But nationally, I doubt it. I don't even know if Jay Z had that power nationwide.

[Joe Budden]

But all right, now we do. If you telling me that. And we could. We. Y' all triggering me. If you telling me that Drake has power because he denied Duke at the best Tim Hortons that Canada has to offer.

[Parks]

A croissant.

[Joe Budden]

If that's powerful, then hold Texan Barack. Right?

[Melissa Ford]

So I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Some level of. Am I in the matrix? They both powerful. There's no. It's not even an argument to have. I just hate.

[Melissa Ford]

I've seen KJ have. I mean, the NFL. I mean, there's just so many levels of power.

[Parks]

You said Kaj J stop somebody from.

[Joe Budden]

From going with who doing. Yo, we been stopped the. In Canada. Yo, are y' all still on it? All right, take it back. I'm just saying the rappers like, like, like was said during the beef, you don't have to go to Canada. Like, he powerful out there, but you could just cut that whole part off and not have to deal with it.

[Erickson]

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's true, but all we was just speaking to was the fact that he is powerful there. That's it. I get it. It ain't as powerful. It don't matter. It matters to you as much as. As the United States. I get all of that. But still, he's powerful there.

[Melissa Ford]

Got it.

[Ish]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. Yeah, y' all. Maddie, pal.

[Melissa Ford]

What's up, dog?

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Parks]

That's some fly shit, man.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I don't have a comment on it. I'm chilling. I'm chilling.

[Melissa Ford]

Since we Talk about power.

[Joe Budden]

I've already said too much since you.

[Melissa Ford]

Talk about powerful people, man. I'm gonna ask you a question if.

[Joe Budden]

You think you can still ask male questions for the rest of this episode.

[Ian]

Yes, he can. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Flat.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't wanna know. I just wanted to know if you made it to the parade. That was all.

[Ian]

I did not. Because after our episode on Friday, well, that we recorded on Friday, that aired Saturday, my immigration lawyer called me and said, don't you fucking dare. And she did that as a preemptive, cuz she'd been seeing, you know, people just being detained and arrested and stuff like that. You're applying for naturalization. Don't go.

[Melissa Ford]

Right. And I said parade. I meant protest.

[Ian]

Protest.

[Melissa Ford]

People were protesting. Donald Trump was having a parade for his birthday, which is bonkers. And people went out there and protested. All a bunch of stuff.

[Ian]

Well, they're. Well, they're protesting fascism.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying. Not just his birthday, but all the things.

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So you didn't go.

[Ian]

I listened to my immigration lawyer.

[Joe Budden]

But the whole idea of a protest. All right, explain this to me. Establishment, preschool. Explain it to me. Like a presence. I thought the idea of a protest was like ish said, anti establishment. I'm standing on this and willing to take any consequences that come my way.

[Erickson]

Raj just got arrested.

[Ish]

She's not willing to take.

[Erickson]

Well, maybe I'm not willing to take all the consequences, but when.

[Parks]

But on the couple of these.

[Joe Budden]

But on the part.

[Ian]

Listen, listen.

[Melissa Ford]

Mel is right.

[Ian]

Listen. Okay, listen.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you don't believe in jail.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I don't believe in every protest. Shouldn't sacrifice everything you have. We have to be strategic.

[Ian]

Thank you. So there have been.

[Joe Budden]

We have to sacrifice. Malio.

[Ian]

You know what? It's starting to look like you are motherfucker. Okay, wake it up.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's wake it up.

[Ian]

Now let me talk. There has been several elections that I have not been able to participate. Participate in because I am not naturalized. And I have felt. I have felt a way about that. In the upcoming midterms, I would like to cast my vote. I would like for my vote to feel like my vote matters. I do not want to sit on the sidelines anymore. And if that means becoming naturalized, that is the step that I'm going to take. Do I want to fuck up the process before I can even get to the end result? No, I do not. That is why I listened to my immigration lawyer who has my best interest, interest and my money in her pocket.

[Ish]

But by going to the Protest how?

[Melissa Ford]

What? What? She just could have gone wrong.

[Ish]

I don't see you. So they would have checked for your credentials. I don't see you.

[Ian]

No. They could have detained me. ICE is not worried.

[Joe Budden]

What though?

[Ish]

Based off nothing.

[Joe Budden]

That's what the protest was.

[Ian]

ICE is not worried about due process. They are detaining people.

[Ish]

And why they. I got you. Why would.

[Joe Budden]

They would have grabbed you like you read up what. What you had to do go protest about.

[Flip]

Why wouldn't she?

[Melissa Ford]

That's why.

[Joe Budden]

She was Coretta Scott King with all of that all. Hey, I remember that.

[Ian]

You better.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y' all shut the up.

[Ian]

You better wave the white flag.

[Joe Budden]

We said, what are you doing this weekend?

[Flip]

Well.

[Melissa Ford]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Tomorrow, me and my friend are going to take us in. What they're doing is wrong. And here's the address. He pulled out a note. It's gonna be on Hudson Avenue. 955-Hudson St. Brian Frank from 3 to 8. I was like, oh, shit.

[Ian]

I was ready.

[Joe Budden]

So when I seen it on the news, nigga, I walked up to the tv. It was not for now. I'm trying to find. Stop pausing and shit.

[Flip]

Where's Waldober?

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to find it. Your favorite word. And she ain't even.

[Parks]

And you did.

[Erickson]

The risk ain't worth the reward.

[Joe Budden]

I can't believe you didn't go, man.

[Ian]

I told you why. Listen, if I felt. And my immigration wife felt like I was not going to be detained, there was a possibility of me being detained by ice, which would have completely. I wouldn't be sitting.

[Joe Budden]

William, one of your disguises. You be weird. Why are you wearing the shit you wore? The Roots picnic.

[Parks]

Jenna with the stupid glasses.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. I just feel like there's more you could have done, but maybe next time.

[Ian]

Yeah, maybe during the midterms when I am naturalized, I can cast the funny about this.

[Melissa Ford]

I agree with that 100%.

[Ian]

Thank you, Mark. The funny thing is what go on hand.

[Joe Budden]

The first bag of votes to get lost is gonna have Mel vote in it. She's doing all of this. My vote matters. They hiding the shit out of votes.

[Ian]

All right, well, I mean, yes, there is voter suppression, but, you know. And that'll probably be another protest. And I would like to participate in that one.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to everybody who did go to the protest. They filled New York.

[Ian]

12 million people nationwide.

[Melissa Ford]

Nationwide, they protested all around the country protesting Trump's fascism, protesting ice, protesting. Everything you could imagine is going on.

[Ian]

Him wiping those his ass with the Constitution, basically.

[Joe Budden]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

People stood up and spoke Out. I was glad to see it.

[Ian]

And his parade was.

[Melissa Ford]

It was poorly. It's the worst. That was bad. It was terrible. Nobody showed up to it. And having a birthday parade is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

But all them uptown talk about some. Let me shut up. Uptown. Y' all got some nerve. What? What happened? They voted for them.

[Parks]

Your peoples.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they voted for them and now they on the. Oh, nigga, what you talking about?

[Melissa Ford]

Uptown up talent.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, the protests look fire.

[Parks]

You don't think that's crazy for the president? Spent 40 million on a birthday party.

[Flip]

No, that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, now if they could.

[Ian]

Now they're not saying it was so much as birthday. It was a military parade to celebrate the 250 year of the military.

[Flip]

It's loot to our troops, but that's exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Let's hear Ice out on this one.

[Erickson]

One I just think are very egotistical. And if they were the president, I would throw me. Y' all, if I'm the president, I'm gonna throw some fly and I'm gonna put all attention. I'm gonna throw a parade.

[Melissa Ford]

It's just usually in countries that do that, it'd be like Kim Jong Un.

[Parks]

It's the king.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. It feels very dict. I get your point. And I don't necessarily disagree in the abstract, but in practice, we don't do that. The only person who ever does that is like dictator. Yeah. So it just looks. And the people already saying you.

[Erickson]

It looks that way.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And you ran your campaign on financial prosperity and digging the people out of a hole and you just not wasting money. $50 million on celebrating yourself.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

That's crazy. While we closing schools and shutting down.

[Parks]

Programs, getting laid off by the thousands.

[Ish]

I heard they shut down job people dying.

[Melissa Ford]

They did.

[Parks]

They stopped Job Corps a couple months ago.

[Ish]

Somebody just told me.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, while I. Oh, go ahead. You were saying.

[Parks]

I mean, niggas was in Job Corps.

[Ish]

Lot of niggas. They tried to send me there.

[Flip]

But.

[Ish]

I escaped.

[Joe Budden]

Job Core. While we're on this political stuff, and I'll just say this really quickly, then we'll get into my favorite part of the show. If you're into Messy Messy tea, then Cuomo versus Homeboy.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, let's do that.

[Joe Budden]

Is the place to be.

[Flip]

He's from the story.

[Joe Budden]

What's the name of Mad?

[Flip]

I don't know how to pronounce.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, my dummy. My dummy. It this.

[Flip]

This nice. He's up there bugging.

[Joe Budden]

Listen while they do whatever they doing, I'm home being not into politics, watching my shows. Then the commercials come on and it's mud slinging. Homeboy is telling us all the bad stitch that Cuomo did while he was in. Cuomo, my man.

[Parks]

He's snitching.

[Flip]

It's not really snitching if it was public, though.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, and Cuomo's a piece of shit, so the combo was great.

[Erickson]

Well, he is.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up, slow down, miss.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Why is Cuomo a piece of shit?

[Melissa Ford]

During COVID he allowed people in nursing homes and prisons to die.

[Joe Budden]

Allowed.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian]

Within action is allowing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. No, he was.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you for that, Mel. Can you explain to me how he allowed.

[Melissa Ford]

I wrote about this in my book. I'm trying to remember the details of it, although y' all should.

[Joe Budden]

That line ain't gonna scare me off to writing a book on it.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, no. I'm saying for the.

[Joe Budden]

That's his little.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm saying for the details. I get into the micro details in my book. We still here.

[Parks]

But people shameless. People plug.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shameless, shameless.

[Parks]

I'm pre ordering.

[Melissa Ford]

Spell shame, nigga. But there's a few things. One, there were opportunities to actually provide medical care space and to evacuate, particularly the nursing homes. He had no action at all with the nursing homes and a lot alongside many Republicans who basically said, they're going to die anyway. So, you know, we're going to focus our attention on these other places inside the prisons. Not just the prisoners, but even the correctional officers also weren't given masks. They weren't given. What's the other. What's the other stuff? We were trying to. So been so long now. What do we need? We need a mask.

[Joe Budden]

Essential needs.

[Melissa Ford]

Essential. All the essential stuff. He completely neglected that.

[Joe Budden]

Also lots of money was true, what you're saying, though.

[Ish]

And people liked him because he kept everybody. He did a press conference every day about COVID No, no, no. You remember that, like, every day he.

[Melissa Ford]

Great leadership.

[Ish]

Hold on, wait, let me say this. Every day, he was keeping the people abreast on the situation while everybody else were hiding from it and. And not giving any details for him to run.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

New Yorkers was loving him during COVID They said he should run for president.

[Erickson]

I don't.

[Ish]

This is my first time here, and.

[Parks]

I got locked up in Rikers during COVID and them niggas had in.

[Joe Budden]

In there. You know how many mobile sites he.

[Parks]

Had to set up with ventilators going through them outside.

[Joe Budden]

He was responsible for Jacob Javits turning into what? They turned into triage. He was also Responsible for finding. Because the hospitals were short, they had a shortage. He was responsible for getting more medical work, like. So for every non action. You saying like, he also had an action?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I didn't say he had no action, but these are specifically towards. Here's another thing. I'm pulling up now. Cause I had to. It's been five years. He required nursing homes to accept COVID 19 positive patients when the hospitals were overflowing. So you take people who have Covid and you stick them in a nursing home where people are the most likely to die without. Remember, this is pre vaccine. This is pre. So now you're basically turning nursing homes into death camps.

[Parks]

All right, so let me ask you.

[Joe Budden]

I think you. We live in room culture. We live in room culture.

[Melissa Ford]

But people were saying in the moment, this is going to kill people. And the art argument was, they're going to die anyway.

[Parks]

I'm gonna ask you a question.

[Ian]

There's also the fourth.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Ian]

I'm not saying he's right.

[Parks]

I just think that some people sometimes.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. Sorry.

[Ian]

I said there's also like the 14 women that have levied, you know, sexual assault. I was going there next accusations.

[Melissa Ford]

I just knew that wouldn't be the most persuasive argument.

[Ian]

And that's the craziest part. That's the footnote.

[Ish]

Wait, wait, don't say that. Hold up, hold up, nigga. What? Don't say that. I'm gonna listen to you a little carefully. Yes, it would. If you would've brought that up, that would. We would have listened to that.

[Melissa Ford]

And I didn't say you wouldn't listen to it. I said it wouldn't be the most persuasive argument for why he would've. Okay, so you find. So I don't think it. Yeah, exactly. What I'm saying is if I said don't elect him because he did something, I think you'd find it more persuasive that he killed a bunch of people than he harassed a bunch of people.

[Flip]

He didn't kill a bunch of people.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm sorry, I'm being a little ambro.

[Parks]

You the mayor of the most densely populated city in the world.

[Joe Budden]

World.

[Parks]

Or one of them. Right. And immediate, this thing jumps on your back. You don't have all of the answers. So we would have criticized them. If he said, yo, the hospitals are overflowed. Let's just. Niggas with COVID just sit on the street and die. Or put them over here. Put them over there. Like you. You. Or we Create you kind of faced with a task that at the spirit.

[Erickson]

Of the moment, yeah.

[Parks]

So lose, lose. And I've never had to deal with anything like this. There's no handbook for these things. So, yeah, maybe he did make some mistakes. And I. And I'm not defending him. I'm just saying maybe he did make some mistakes, but mistakes were damn near inevitable to be made because we never had nothing like this.

[Flip]

I personally have been light on politicians and people in public service in general for Covid responses, because, again, it was a.

[Parks]

Something we never saw before.

[Ish]

It was new. We didn't see it before.

[Melissa Ford]

I would disagree with the idea that those are only two choices. We could. I mean, there were empty schools, there were empty places. There are lots of places to house people if you were willing to invest in it. But he not only did it, he then locked about it, he hid. He underreported the number of nursing home deaths so that he wouldn't be blamed for it by 83%.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, everybody during COVID underreported numbers, funeral homes, everything was underreported. Everybody. Everybody.

[Erickson]

Literally everything.

[Melissa Ford]

You think that a funeral home reporting it under underreporting is the same as a governor who's responsible for an outcome?

[Joe Budden]

No, of course not.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He lied about it to the government. They had a whole federal investigation.

[Parks]

Entire government of the United States underreported numbers across the board. Fauci, the cdc, all of the reported.

[Ish]

Well, you're saying that doesn't make it right, though.

[Parks]

Not. I'm not saying it did. I'm just saying in a crisis, such a. And I'm not defending him.

[Erickson]

Right.

[Parks]

I'm not defending.

[Flip]

I also like dude, which I don't want to mispronounce his name, but I like him. He's been around for a while. Locally, he's been running around.

[Parks]

I'm just saying, like, sometimes the judgment, sometimes when people don't have information, knowledge, experience in handling certain shit, we kind.

[Erickson]

Of get because we do the best they can.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, but I don't think he was doing the best he could. I think he was. This is what I think he was doing. And you can take it or leave it.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't. I don't want us to take it.

[Melissa Ford]

Then I'll leave this alone, either. Trump was. Was handling this in a way that people didn't like. Cuomo became the face of the opposition. He was on TV every day saying, this is wrong. I'm the real leader who's positioned himself for President, which again I handle problem with. Right. And I think he made himself the face of it. And then when shit started going wrong in his state or his city, he couldn't then take ownership of that because he was gonna lose his credibility. And so he swept his shit under the rug. And he's not the only one that did it. They're all pieces of shit.

[Joe Budden]

Let's remove. I wanna remove Cuomo from mine and your conversation.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I have a question for you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think that. Do you think that you are a bit biased for the guy whose views. I'm not going to call him radical like the commercials are, but who views are. Yeah. Do you think the jujitsu or. Yeah, that gentleman.

[Melissa Ford]

No, I said this before. Como Moran. This isn't about the race. I'm not. I don't actually have a strong opinion about the race because I haven't studied the race closely enough to know. So this isn't like. I'm not saying vote for Mondani instead of Cuomo. Got it. I have no horse in that or no nickel in that quarter. What I'm saying is that independent of that, I have a criticism and issue of Andrew Cuomo. I've been. My book came out in 2021 where I mentioned him before he was even thinking about running for anything. So this has nothing to do with that. If he were running. It doesn't matter if Andrew Cuomo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's the other thing I noticed about you when you got criticisms of people. A book is coming.

[Melissa Ford]

No, not at all.

[Joe Budden]

Or it's already hit or is out.

[Melissa Ford]

So I mean, I'd be okay with that.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.

[Melissa Ford]

I got a lot of criticisms and I got like eight books. So sometimes it's just that they overlap.

[Parks]

Heading on 10.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Melissa Ford]

Look, trying to.

[Joe Budden]

But, but, but back to just making this a little more light hearted. The. The commercials about Duke and how they painting them with the radical. He wants to let the homeless people in the subways.

[Melissa Ford]

It's like crazy.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's Mookie.

[Flip]

Fear monkey.

[Ish]

I do think that.

[Joe Budden]

See?

[Flip]

Fear monkey.

[Joe Budden]

See what I mean about you?

[Parks]

Terrible.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, that's spooky. Mark.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't been on the subway how many years?

[Joe Budden]

And I won't be that part. And I won't be ever, ever, ever. That don't negate it. Part of the reason that is cuz.

[Melissa Ford]

Harry the homeless is. Might be there.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. They killing the. Out of people in the subways. Subways. And have Been for years, Mark.

[Flip]

The incidences are very low in percentage, by the way.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what you say the incidence is.

[Flip]

Quality while they exist and they're horrible. Are extraordinarily low compared to the amount of people that ride the subway on a day.

[Ish]

Wait, wait, wait. There was a whole campaign last year about the uprising or the rise in subway crimes where even when they put policing that we talked about on here. And I forgot what they said.

[Joe Budden]

They did a whole big presentation on the news like they was adding 20,000 cops to stop the crime down here.

[Ish]

What you are.

[Joe Budden]

They pulled them out from homeless people. The percentages skyrocketed of murder and crime. Because maybe they change when you talk about crime. Period. Now because some of these niggas are just getting stabbed, punched in the face, robbed. But the subway is dangerous. Y' all can't percentage me out of that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, you're on subway.

[Parks]

It's true.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going somewhere all the time.

[Parks]

It's true.

[Ish]

Different arguments in New York because at.

[Melissa Ford]

Least we're once, twice a month.

[Parks]

Some of the people committing crimes on the subways are not homeless people.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

People committing crimes are just looking for jokes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And I got these.

[Melissa Ford]

You see Joe? He looks sweet. You going. You gonna test me if I see you right now.

[Ish]

But.

[Joe Budden]

But you wouldn't see me. That's not a concern.

[Parks]

But again, you talk about a lot of people that have.

[Joe Budden]

And when they say homeless. Ish. Because I agree with you. They're using that as synonymous. Is with mental health crisis, people more violent.

[Parks]

But that's how we do the fear mongering. That's how we do the. With immigration where every person that get picked up by ICE ain't a from Venezuela or that committed a crime.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

We also sat up here like to your point earlier and condemned migrants and immigrants for a year and a half. Which was stupid because now we're in a situation where innocent people, citizens of the United States are getting exported because they're not white.

[Ish]

But even that.

[Joe Budden]

But they essentially selling fear.

[Ish]

But that doesn't negate the fact that certain areas of our city were being crime ridden or whatever. Not crime ridden. Had a lot of crime due to some of the migrants being there. True, it changes. It's changed the landscape of the city.

[Joe Budden]

So I think when we be saying, yo, some of this is happening, people are taking that as. Yeah, but it's not all.

[Parks]

No, but when you sell the other.

[Melissa Ford]

Side, they selling a product.

[Ish]

See, I don't agree with that part.

[Parks]

You selling a product.

[Joe Budden]

You know what we can do. I don't even want to take the train with homeless people.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not taking the train, but homeless people.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all want to take the train with homeless people?

[Melissa Ford]

Cool.

[Ish]

Well, they still. I thought they removed all the homeless people out the train station.

[Flip]

They're still down there.

[Parks]

I mean, I mean, you can't get them all every single day.

[Melissa Ford]

You can't stop them from going in. You know, homeless looks different.

[Joe Budden]

Especially not if all the vacant hotels is filled with the migrants.

[Ish]

I don't want to answer that.

[Joe Budden]

I know. Don't worry about it. Listen, it's not my favorites.

[Ish]

Now let's talk about favorite part of the show.

[Joe Budden]

Prize pick. All right. Prize Picks is the best place to turn your sports knowledge into real cash. With millions of members, Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all. Really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is select two or more players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win. Now up to 2,000 times your cash. So run your game all season long with Prize Picks and let's see, let's see what is Poo has this week. Let's see. Ish is going with your last ticket. Is it hit? Did it. It just hit for the games that were the night before. I don't know if it hit for the next time. Brittney griner, more than five and a half rebounds. Kayla McBride more than 15 and a half points. Camilla Cardoso for more than seven rebounds and Nafisa Collier for more than four assists. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Melissa Ford]

Ish, that's definitely. I love her.

[Parks]

What? Nafisa?

[Erickson]

Yeah, Monster.

[Melissa Ford]

She don't get enough credit.

[Joe Budden]

Don't forget, if you download Prize Picks right this second and use promo code jbp, you get fifty dollars instantly when you play your first five dollar lineup. I repeat for the people in the back, if you download Prize picks right this very second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. So good luck to all participants out there and run your game. All right. I see Ishwood went with a bunch of WNBA picks. I know Caitlin Clark returned and played the Liberty the other night and the Liberty's first loss of the season. That game was unbelievable. We happen to have something, someone there to have a mic in front of AI Caitlyn. So let's hear what AI Caitlin had to say after the game.

[Mark]

If it wasn't for me, all these WNBA players would be Working at Chili's talking about it's half price sanitizers for today only. I had to come back and save this terrible league before their games were moved to Tubi tv. They were two weeks away from playing these games in someone's driveway before I got to the league. The players had to sleep in a U Haul. Now they're in Motel Sixes.

[Parks]

So now they're in Motel Sixes.

[Mark]

Angel said she models her game after Michael Jordan, but she plays more like a drunk thanas is anti Angel Reese cooking on a game for like a can of spaghettios while I was gone. Nobody watches to see her shoot 22% and miss 17 layups. If it wasn't for me, angel would be playing at a lifetime Fitness, fitness and getting worked by a fifth grade boy. It's crazy that I scored more points today than angel has in her entire career.

[Joe Budden]

All right, AI. Caitlin Clark. Feisty.

[Melissa Ford]

Meaning she didn't really say it, y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. That's not. That's not real.

[Ian]

Has she seen that?

[Joe Budden]

Probably.

[Erickson]

She might have saw that and were like facts.

[Joe Budden]

Glad you did it.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, she might be dying and it. I mean, I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Or she would have said I was just playing a character every time I was in front of a microphone. That was okay.

[Ish]

Stop doing that, yo.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Stop doing that. Stop doing that. Because why we we. I play a character when the microphone come on so I could understand Mel doing it.

[Joe Budden]

I know. And these say chicken nuggets every time you do it. So if you're gonna play a character, you gotta get what come with the character.

[Ish]

I agree with that. I don't like the chicken nugget your thing cuz I don't like it either. But it's funny.

[Erickson]

I don't like this.

[Joe Budden]

I don't like that.

[Melissa Ford]

I feel like it's disrespectful.

[Ish]

But you know what? The only person that to defend my character outside of here is, is. Is like Bright. None of you. Y' all make it seem like that's me. Light bright. And Cory is the only two. Nah, get out of here. Both of y' all. Nah, nah.

[Melissa Ford]

You do social media, talking to people, how cool you are, how talented you are. I even say you smart.

[Ish]

I even say you. No, you actually told me that me and Malcolm can have a one on one conversation. And he. I'm. He's the only one I could talk to.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, I had to be honest.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Melissa Ford]

But anyway, which.

[Ish]

Which what?

[Joe Budden]

No, go ahead, go ahead.

[Ish]

This your problem. Freezing.

[Parks]

I See, I don't have Malcolm.

[Ish]

Not x. We talking about baby Malcolm. And I see your wrist brand changing again. You're doing that again, huh?

[Melissa Ford]

What am I doing?

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, we watching you, Freezy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm looking for this. Damn. Oh, here it is. Got it. The masses need up. They need us to discuss this.

[Desmond Bain]

16,000 square.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, boy.

[Flip]

So what's my time?

[Joe Budden]

We got three minutes and ten seconds of brand new clips. This record is called. So be it. This is my first time here hearing it.

[Melissa Ford]

16.

[Joe Budden]

This beat already, though. This beat already is beating. Oh, my God.

[Desmond Bain]

When I was born, grandmama could see it. I Bentley driven and very strategic.

[Joe Budden]

My bad, huh?

[Flip]

My bad for real, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, my bad. Yeah. Let's stop this for a minute.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's my bad.

[Joe Budden]

This beat is incredible.

[Flip]

It is. That was the last one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the last one was crazy too. Yeah. I ain't apologizing to pharrell yet.

[Melissa Ford]

You need a couple more.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, anybody could. Not. Anybody. Let me not talk stupid. Be careful. All right. So you were hoarding your best beats for your favorite rapper, for your people's, Virginia's own. I get that.

[Erickson]

I don't think it was that.

[Parks]

It ain't necessarily hoarding.

[Erickson]

It's just when I get with them, the magic come like that.

[Joe Budden]

They bring this out of me.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

It could be that.

[Erickson]

It could be that. It ain't gotta be. He had to have them shits in the top.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Still. All right. So you baking from scratch for your people and they're bringing this out of you?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This is crazy. As a rapper who could rap like hearing this. Come on in the studio. Everybody clear out. And just give me an hour, 90 minutes. Give me some time to live with this. This would be done. We laying this tonight. Hey, I don't have to take this one home with me. We're laying this tonight. Oh, my Lord.

[Desmond Bain]

16,000 square, 8 million up there. 2 million down here. When I was born grandmama could see it I Bentley driven and very strategic. Rm plead no diamonds are needed floors are heated so be it, so be it with p get something to meet you your soul don't like your body we help you free it then we wait for tmz to leak ain't no.

[Ish]

Secret so be it so be it smoke so be it so so be.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[Desmond Bain]

Smoke so be it CL, I B, SCFB 8 ball, LV I could show you how to bust a break if you let me I'm monogram like confetti switch is ready. She Leaning on Celine. Cause she ain't stepping into Chef.

[Joe Budden]

Catch you thoughts so far, Fire? Thoughts so far.

[Erickson]

Talk luxury rap.

[Joe Budden]

Fire.

[Flip]

Luxury rap. Over like late 90s, early 2000s coded.

[Joe Budden]

What I was thinking like the.

[Flip]

The Middle Eastern Indian saying, whatever that is. Yeah, fire.

[Desmond Bain]

50 like each Pirelli I got.

[Joe Budden]

You can say it. Nobody. Nobody is saying nothing bad to you. But you're from Virginia.

[Ish]

You don't like it is.

[Joe Budden]

But you from Virginia.

[Ian]

You think it's average.

[Parks]

It's all right.

[Ish]

What's high about it?

[Joe Budden]

Real quick. Is it.

[Ish]

So you don't like what?

[Ian]

It's all right, but it's fire.

[Ish]

Hold on, man.

[Ian]

I'm just.

[Ish]

All right. Let's get mark on you again.

[Ian]

We just saing for the clarification.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all stop jumping. Mel, you mind your. You just got back. Watch your mouth.

[Ish]

Yeah, and I'm. I'm happy to be here. Don't. But stop jumping, my man. Yo, you good?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

He said the lyrics is not that good to him.

[Melissa Ford]

He likes the beat in the lyrics. All right. Is that what you're saying?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I disagree, but I think it's fire.

[Ish]

But I think it's going to be listening.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to know when. When is your next trip to Virginia?

[Melissa Ford]

You might want to wait a minute.

[Erickson]

This week?

[Ish]

Yeah. Look at free.

[Joe Budden]

Look at that is probably a different part this week. What's that? First town right at the tip. Like as soon as you get out.

[Ish]

West Virginia, depending on.

[Parks]

When you going?

[Joe Budden]

No, when you pass DC what's that? First town did you hit so with an R right.

[Parks]

Which way? Alexandria.

[Joe Budden]

Alexandria? You probably going there.

[Parks]

I'm not.

[Desmond Bain]

Eight of them call me Andretti if I'm not in the telly selling the yeti then I'm pulling your like she in spaghetti heavy Circle back and come and get this Kelly and your ears too if you want them blue like belly Lot of jetty product betting 911s I'm know who's who with what's what? Papa heaven around and get your body trace trying to test me cause that I'm with like to draw when it's sketchy if they catch me, don't forget me resurrect me buy a dog tag the same place that they forget me ski.

[Erickson]

This is culture.

[Ish]

So be it.

[Desmond Bain]

So be it.

[Joe Budden]

There we go. I'm about to play it. That's why I couldn't get no beats like this. I'd have been in this section session begging Pharrell to come talk on this. Yo, please sit on the intro the on the outro please talk anywhere on this skateboard peak smoke, so be it.

[Desmond Bain]

So be solid ain't valid. You ain't malice been quiet, ain't right. You ain't Paris blow money, you owe money we ain't balanced. You ain't believe God did you ain't.

[Melissa Ford]

Catching pallet all black, back to back.

[Desmond Bain]

This ain't traffic, can't wrap your head round that. You ain't average. Y' all tweet bird talk. We all Paris, Lone star, cross the border. We like Dallas 21 gun salute.

[Joe Budden]

We've been savage, terrible, yo, it's criminal. How nice. No malice is off of this hiatus.

[Melissa Ford]

Yo, he's killing this.

[Joe Budden]

He shouldn't be able to do that off of this hiatus like that.

[Erickson]

It ain't been a hiatus hiatus. The masses might not have been listening. He has been still popping up and rapping.

[Joe Budden]

No, the masses was listening, all right.

[Erickson]

So for you to keep calling it a hiatus like he just popped back out last week is false.

[Joe Budden]

He popped back out where people could.

[Melissa Ford]

See him, but he's still been rapping. This ice point.

[Joe Budden]

I got it. And the tree that falls in the forest. Nobody heard it.

[Erickson]

That's your fault. Listen to street.

[Melissa Ford]

Add them up.

[Desmond Bain]

Them average, flying in, flying out.

[Joe Budden]

Only the baddest.

[Desmond Bain]

If I had her, then you had her.

[Melissa Ford]

She never mattered.

[Desmond Bain]

Wish upon the stars of my roof. They all scattered, ain't no more Neptune so peace shattered off the first key.

[Joe Budden]

Up.

[Ish]

Changing my ish.

[Parks]

No, he kill him.

[Joe Budden]

There we go. Where's the disc?

[Flip]

Third verse.

[Joe Budden]

Third verse. Well, this is the third.

[Flip]

No, this is the second verse.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Erickson]

Second.

[Joe Budden]

Second. The next verse.

[Melissa Ford]

Rio.

[Desmond Bain]

It's the pattern.

[Joe Budden]

Like me killing them, you know what happened? It's a short verse.

[Flip]

It's a short verse.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Flip]

It's a short verse.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. So be it then. Let me hear it. Let's get to it then.

[Desmond Bain]

Cried in front of me. You died in front of me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we changed the beat. Oh, great. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I clear out.

[Desmond Bain]

Cried in front of me. You died pride in front of me. Calabasas took your and your pride in front of me. Her utopia had moved right up the street. And her lip gloss was popping. She need you to eat the nerd.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Nope, nope, nope. We got action. Yeah, yeah, we got action. I like this. That pushes on where he just saying, like. Where he just talking, like, for real.

[Erickson]

You know, Captain said I hate all of y' all, right? Like, I'm gonna let y' all know I hate all of you. And he said the words that I.

[Melissa Ford]

Don'T say but right in front of.

[Desmond Bain]

Me Hurt in front of me you so be it. You cried in front of me, you died in front of me. Calabasas took your and your pride in front of me. Her utopia had moved right up the street and her lip gloss was popping. She ain't need you to eat the neck Gonna call it the way that they see it but I got the video. I can share an 8.

[Joe Budden]

I know that song. Lip gloss is popping.

[Ish]

Little mama.

[Parks]

He talking about Kylie is to play on Double entendre.

[Joe Budden]

That guy's good.

[Parks]

She, you know she had lip gloss.

[Joe Budden]

That was talking about Kylie. Once she got the lip gloss, she made six.

[Parks]

She sold half of it for 600 million.

[Joe Budden]

She got away from Travis. Get out of town.

[Desmond Bain]

I would believe it, but I can't unsee it. Lucky I ain't TMZ it, so be it, so be it.

[Joe Budden]

This is culture in the first place.

[Melissa Ford]

Go back, go back.

[Desmond Bain]

Some cried in front of me. You died in front of me. Calabasas took your bitch and your pride in front of me.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Erickson]

Don't say that to me, man.

[Joe Budden]

Do you get it? Yeah. Yeah. But he can't do that. A couple of bars earlier, he said, if I had her and you had her, she never matter. He just said that eight bars ago.

[Flip]

I don't think he's talking about her, though. As far as he had her malice.

[Joe Budden]

No. I think he's no the person. I think that line was just some fly.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Rapper. Yeah. But now at the end, if you're talking about.

[Flip]

But that was malice in this push.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. How they brothers. That's hilarious.

[Desmond Bain]

Her utopia had move right up the street and her lip gloss was popping. She need you to the neck. Gonna call it the way that they see it. But I got the video. I can share an ae it.

[Joe Budden]

What video he got?

[Erickson]

Who knows?

[Melissa Ford]

Who knows?

[Joe Budden]

Your rappers be recording. Yo.

[Erickson]

I could share an ae it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you know what? I do want to shout out, like some of the MCs real quick. I know actually today I don't know who's MC and who. Who not. I don't know. Lil Yada Yang and all of the. I don't know who's rapping now, but in this era that these niggas is from, let me tell you how sticky it got. Was even particular about meeting rappers. And if you did, you did so knowing that the beef could happen one day. So you just moved accordingly from the introduction from day one.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So all of this, you got a video of me. You cried in front of me. You was in that session on your knees, back and forth, all of that. That wouldn't have been able to happen.

[Erickson]

That's the problem, though. A lot of these just be too buddy buddy up front. I don't really know you like that. And too many cameras now, they don't even be friends enough to even open up like that, bro. It ain't. It ain't about the camera. Cause are you still go tell your business even if they didn't have a video that's just not your man's. But you running around wanting to be everybody.

[Parks]

Mans or niggas back then came from.

[Erickson]

A lot of them.

[Parks]

Not all of them, but a lot of them came from some street influence. And so when you met a nigga and you was from the street, you carried it accordingly. Nowadays, these niggas be school kids, so you get around a. And you just on your goofy time and you not knowing that this could come back to bite you in the ass later.

[Joe Budden]

And with the year that Kendrick had, like, parading that body around that he caught all around the world, I knew Push was sitting home thinking of which one of you was gonna get it. Push wasn't just about to come out rapping with his brother over some beats. And the wheel of fortune just happened to land on Travis Scott. Not the wheel of fortune. Yeah, that's the. Yeah, it just happened to land on Travis Scott. No hard feeling. There's no hard feeling. I would have fired a Travis Scott, too.

[Erickson]

It is hard feelings, though. Like, he. He's addressed it. He's standing up for Ferrero again. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Erickson]

And Push, his words. Did an interview with gq.

[Flip]

It's from that interview before that we talked about.

[Erickson]

And he's.

[Flip]

But they didn't put it in there because the record was now, basically.

[Erickson]

And he addressed it. He's like, you know, Travis came to the. To the. To Paris, to Pharrell's studio at Louis Vuitton, Interrupted a clip session because that's where they recorded most of the album at Pharrell.

[Joe Budden]

That's why this sound like this, too. You was recording in Paris. Louis Vuitton in Paris, luxury.

[Erickson]

So you interrupt the. You see Push and Malice there. You all excited to see everybody there. You. I want to play my album. I want to play my album. Push goes on to say he's. He jumping around doing his monkey dance, his work verse. And it was like we wasn't feeling the music. And you played everything. You played the Meltdown record. But did not play Drake's verse.

[Flip]

And then it comes out chains.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah, now it comes out. And Drake is kind of shooting at Pharrell. So you did all of this knowing this? Like, yeah, you. You looked at a certain way, and.

[Flip]

He referenced him playing the. Like, that record.

[Erickson]

Yeah. He says Travis don't really pick. He just jump around with whoever hot and do this goofy, goopy. So, yeah, you gotta catch one on behalf of my man. Pharrell ain't gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

Why did all of that just sound like Pharrell's fault to me?

[Flip]

How so?

[Erickson]

And letting them play it.

[Joe Budden]

Travis can't play nothing in no Louis Vuitton Paris studio without Pharrell stopping this session and saying, all right, yo, let him put his CD in. Like, let's see what he got going on.

[Flip]

I think he said that Pharrell had some. Had a beat on that record, which I.

[Joe Budden]

We know he did because some of them Travis songs that came out Pharrell produced. Yeah.

[Flip]

So I think that, like, I know.

[Joe Budden]

They got a relationship.

[Flip]

That was the impetus.

[Parks]

All right, so look, you got.

[Joe Budden]

Pharrell's being nice. No, no, no, man. Come over here.

[Parks]

But we got a relationship. We got a relationship. But you let another jump on your and diss me. But we got a relationship, and you.

[Flip]

Don'T play me the record.

[Parks]

No, but that. We have a relationship.

[Joe Budden]

Is there a world? Is there a world? We're trans. Travis didn't have the Drake verse.

[Parks]

That's possible. Yeah, but if me and you got a relationship. Don't put that on your.

[Erickson]

I might call you. If I got a real relationship with you.

[Joe Budden]

And he did that.

[Erickson]

Yo, I might say something.

[Parks]

If I got a real relationship with you. I'm not gonna let. I'm not letting nobody do that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's. Y' all keep add. Y' all keep putting real relationships in industry relationships. True. So I don't believe Travis Scott to be none of these friends.

[Erickson]

All right, cool. That's what Push is saying.

[Parks]

So now Push is drawing the line. Line. Don't come around me with that goofy. If you knew a nigga's dissing my man and you ain't here getting beats from my man. You ain't here playing your. For my man in Paris. And you know you're gonna let another jump on your and diss him. Get the. Away from me.

[Flip]

And you're using us being in studio together as potentially content to release. Like, y' all.

[Parks]

Get the out of here, man.

[Flip]

With these dudes.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I agree with everything that y' all are saying I'm starting there. So whatever conversation we have is not a debate. It's not an argument. Got it? Push just went through this with Kanye. He just went through this where Kanye is chummy, chummy, playing nice with niggas, inviting them over, they shoot and yada yada, yada. If I'm the click clips, I'm saying the Pharrell. If there's one person that I don't want in my session, it's Travis Scott or any Drake friend. Cool.

[Erickson]

But what if we in this session.

[Parks]

Already a came in?

[Erickson]

Yeah, like. Like it ain't like this was scheduled. Yo, pull up at 3 o' clock. He might have hit him. Yo, can I slide through right now?

[Joe Budden]

Sorry, sorry. I'm not saying that. That the clips had that pull because Pharrell is for real. So I'm not saying that. Right. But when you read the gq, you said Travis came in there and said what? It's a lot. It's crowded in here.

[Erickson]

Like, he was excited. Like, oh, oh, y' all like the whole.

[Joe Budden]

I don't take. I don't take that like that. I don't take. Oh, all y' all here to mean. Travis Scott is excited. That's not what that means to me.

[Erickson]

How you take it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I know how you.

[Joe Budden]

It's a lot of people here. It's a lot of people in my session as I'm about to play my album for somebody. Somebody. There's a lot going on.

[Parks]

It's not your session.

[Erickson]

Yeah, this is. You bombarded my session. We have a scheduled session. We recording. You not here to record.

[Joe Budden]

I'm here to play my album.

[Parks]

You came in here and we're doing you a favor.

[Joe Budden]

You're not. You aren't doing anything for me. The that I'm being phony to Pharrell.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Invited me here to play album, so.

[Erickson]

Invited me here at the first.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's a lot going on in here. Them would have been kicked. Travis Scott would have had to Travis Scotty's ass to out my session.

[Parks]

It depends on what I'm saying.

[Flip]

He did say he interrupted the session.

[Parks]

Yeah, you saying that like a lot going on in here. With the negative connotation he might have been. Oh, damn. Everybody in here, they said he was jumping around like a monkey.

[Flip]

He says, oh, man, everyone's here. He's smiling, he's laughing. He's jumping around doing his. I'm not going to say it.

[Joe Budden]

It's a lie. I'm telling you.

[Parks]

But he manner that you Saying it. You saying it in Joe Button terms.

[Flip]

We weren't into the music, but he wanted to play, wanted to film us and fell listening to it.

[Joe Budden]

See, listen to me. I'm telling y' all that rappers do. Rappers do this type of machismo, braggadocious comp. Competitive. Nobody asked for competition. But if I have to play my songs in your session and it's rappers here, there's something happening. There is something going on in. In the air. Now I gotta get with the rappers. Rappers.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Because rappers out there, y' all know what time is. It is. Y' all know what time it is. There's an added pressure to playing your music. You're watching the faces and the mannerisms of people. Especially if it's people that you respect in there.

[Erickson]

You speaking.

[Joe Budden]

You might be asking for help with a single or. Hey, what should I pick? It's a vibe. Wait, stop. We just cut this hard ass clip off in here on the bigs to insert somebody else on the big. We talk about ego all the time.

[Melissa Ford]

Time.

[Joe Budden]

Ego and some other is in the air in this session. I'm getting that just from a GQ interview. Go ahead.

[Erickson]

Okay. You're speaking as the rapper that I wanna.

[Parks]

I wanna.

[Erickson]

You have that competitive nature where I wanna the pressure of I rap. I want to rap better than y' all. Etc. Travis don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he does.

[Erickson]

He does not try to out rap.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody Travis is friends with that do. Funny.

[Parks]

That don't mean he doing do.

[Erickson]

I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

He did it as soon as he left. He does it.

[Parks]

Let me. Let me ask you this. Right.

[Erickson]

You missing what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting Travis the out of y' all be. Y' all be friendly with that if you want. He would not be allowed a pinky.

[Parks]

Toe with your ass.

[Ish]

He intentionally didn't pay the Drake part. That's being funny.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Parks]

I'm not gonna play the Drake part of him dissing you in front of you. And that's the.

[Erickson]

That's the up. That's the funny.

[Joe Budden]

If you.

[Erickson]

If I got a relationship with you.

[Ish]

Okay, got it.

[Joe Budden]

I think that Pusha identified Travis Scott as a op prior to that day.

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Because. Because of his. Because of his history with Drake.

[Flip]

Yeah, he said. He said that the. The same thing happened on Sickle Mode where he was dissing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yay.

[Flip]

And that's when he saw. He's like. He has a track record of this. Basically.

[Joe Budden]

Push has been through this exact scenario. I'm just shocked. I'm Shocked by what?

[Flip]

That he let him in the session?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, you would have.

[Parks]

He didn't let him in the session. Pharrell let him in the session.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Pharrell is closer to Pusha T than he is to Travis Scott. That would have been one tap on the shoulder. Yo, can I talk to you in the lounge? Can I speak to you in the lobby? I mean, not the lobby, the. The side. Any one of these side rooms coming. Come over here in the corner. Get this. He would have to know how I feel. To me, it's the equivalent of. What's that stream of when little TJ was there and then he had to explain, hey, I'm acting like this cuz he. You got a there that's cool with somebody that shot me. It is the exact, exact same scenario in. In. In music. But anyway, what thoughts?

[Flip]

Record's hard.

[Joe Budden]

Record is crazy.

[Flip]

Records hard.

[Erickson]

Everything I've heard is this album is shaping up to be it.

[Joe Budden]

And Travis got you lucky. Cause if you did all of that shit after you left, you'd have got a lot more than this 8 bars in the end of this record. On this hard ass beat. The remix might have been in your own honor.

[Flip]

So be it.

[Joe Budden]

So be it. No, now. Now it's clout. Chase. You want to play games?

[Erickson]

Hey, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I get hilarious. Push kept it cute. Eight bars on the end.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erickson]

Something like what you see Travis Scott.

[Joe Budden]

Who can't rap a lick. That would have been. That would have been Push taking his child to the playground, to the monkey bars in the swing. You want an icy.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Look, they got the coconut icy. That would have been a sunny day.

[Erickson]

Just a little pow pow.

[Parks]

Just to let you know.

[Erickson]

I see you. That's it. That's all it is. That's it. Yo, I see you. I know what you are. Stay over there.

[Joe Budden]

He would have been a pinata.

[Erickson]

That's a warning. That's a. Don't say shit else.

[Joe Budden]

My next gender reveal. The next gender reveal would have been a Travis Scott pinata from the and give. Come on, bat. Let's bat this nigga to hell. The nerve of Travis Scott playing those type of games.

[Melissa Ford]

So what does Travis Scott do now?

[Joe Budden]

Nothing.

[Erickson]

Same thing he kept he'd been doing.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I assume. I'm just making sure you know what I mean.

[Erickson]

Travis Scott is so much bigger than in hip hop right now. You don't give a About this.

[Parks]

I was gonna say that too. I was gonna say that. I don't think Travis was looking at Them like, you said it with. Like, if you in there with that, go rap wise.

[Flip]

I don't think he looks at himself in the competitive mc.

[Erickson]

That's what I was trying to say. He's not even his promotional battle.

[Parks]

I don't think he's looking at them even like they a factor in what I'm doing it out here. I don't have to compete with them lyrically. I ain't a spitter.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I never of that.

[Melissa Ford]

You did.

[Parks]

You said when rap rappers be in there, you be. Might need to help with pressure and all that. The pressure.

[Joe Budden]

All of that is. That's. That's. Y' all fans, that segment. That segment, the rap categories. I wasn't trying to say that Travis should look for some type of reverence from them because of their lyrical capability. I'm not saying that there is a pressure when a rapper. No matter what you do, if Lil Uzi walks in the slaughterhouse, session fire better be played. Yeah, but it don't matter that you are what. Whoever you are, and you're the number one rapper in the world. And in the studio. In the studio, we ain't really focused on you being the number one rapper in the world because a lot of times y' all in here without all your cosmetics. You could go do that on tour. You in here in some crocs and sweats with crust in your eyes high and an ugly bum. Your Wednesday night bum. You him. You're not wrong. You don't look the greatest right now.

[Flip]

He's not wrong. Because in studio, in studio etiquette, studio environment, it don't matter what you. It could be a rock band walking in there. You playing fire or you not? Yeah, you get the aux cord.

[Erickson]

Take it from.

[Joe Budden]

I think.

[Erickson]

I think Travis playing at the fire. To him, the pressure to him was Pharrell, not them.

[Flip]

Oh, no.

[Erickson]

They're included. That's where.

[Parks]

I think. No disrespect to nobody. Travis might have been looking at them like, y' all ain't nobody for me to impress.

[Flip]

No disrespect to nobody, but I spent my entire life and career in studios, and I. The guitar player dude in the back when he comes and plays his for whoever MC wants to play Heat and see how they react. They might not know him from a can of paint. I want to see how.

[Erickson]

And the other side to that is.

[Joe Budden]

And don't.

[Flip]

They're not nobodies, too.

[Erickson]

And the other side of that is I've seen if I'm pushing and I'm already Like you said, I may have already identified you as a op. Nothing you play is fire.

[Parks]

Yeah, nothing you could play is going.

[Erickson]

I'm not feeling the music.

[Parks]

Because he said I'm not feeling. I wasn't feeling the music.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Erickson]

I can. I will sit there and be.

[Flip]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not jogging your opinions off. But that's. That's not.

[Flip]

That's not reality of studio life.

[Parks]

Y' all like Travis album?

[Flip]

I liked it at first. It grew off of me very.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't last long.

[Flip]

Yeah, but it was fire at first.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't last long.

[Parks]

So he think he playing his fire.

[Flip]

That album was good. On first listen to trained years, it.

[Erickson]

Was opposite to me. I didn't like it at first. Then I started to like it and now I completely forgot it. And when I go to Travis, I don't even touch that album. I go back to birds and Astroworld.

[Joe Budden]

And the studio is where I see like Travis come and steal from like the clothes clips.

[Parks]

That could be true.

[Joe Budden]

None. All that superstardom cachet y' all talking about. I don't know nothing about all that.

[Erickson]

I'm just talking.

[Joe Budden]

I've seen the music. I've seen them big time producers come in the studio and get their hair cracked from this little. From wherever he from Staten Island. Yo. Studio life is different.

[Flip]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

It is different.

[Flip]

It's not with this Internet. There's no correlation to Internet opinions and what it's actually like being a musician, artist, producer, engineer in the studio.

[Joe Budden]

I put it to you like this. And ice. You've been in some studios.

[Erickson]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

A rapper opening your studio door is going to turn the heads of the.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Flip]

It's dead quiet there. There's no lights or stimulation. Who's walking?

[Joe Budden]

I have the whole 40 projects in the lounge smoking weed. I got all my over and the slightest crack of the door from an an unfamiliar face. Okay. If you're famous, you get shot in the studio.

[Erickson]

And one other part, Joe, because you said you in there without all your cosmetics. I'm coming in here to record, so I got all my cosmetics. I think he walked in there. I think he might have walked. He walked in there with jewelry on. He walked in there looking like Travis.

[Parks]

I'm in Paris.

[Erickson]

I got a camera. I'm making content.

[Parks]

Anyway at the look. Louis Vuitton.

[Erickson]

Yes. I came in there looking like this.

[Joe Budden]

Got in his face in the Louis trunks, man. All right. Hey, hey. You know what? I ain't been in the studio session In a while. Maybe things have changed.

[Flip]

I'm still in the studio. Things have not changed.

[Joe Budden]

You was just there yesterday. They not change.

[Flip]

It's a. It's a. It's a low key, competitive environment. And it's an environment where you learn. I gotta step my up or do jam. He's doing some other. I can't come.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Trey right there. Hey.

[Ish]

He.

[Joe Budden]

He a rapper and he ain't famous. If somebody walk in that studio and try to play something, there's gonna be something going on. You ain't even got to be nobody.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, o felt like that in a while.

[Melissa Ford]

Just start rapping.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead. Bush. I get. Get excited about like that. Think of Travis guy. He wouldn't have came.

[Parks]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

It wouldn't have worked that way. That would have never happened.

[Erickson]

And as soon as he left, that would be the guy who bothered.

[Joe Budden]

I would have fired at him for the next. For the next year. And if he had a number one record, that would have just helped. I bet.

[Erickson]

He would have fired at that for sure. Just for walking in the street.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think this push last time. Pirate.

[Erickson]

That's what I was getting at.

[Flip]

That's always funny how someone comes in and don't play some heat or do some violating shit like the. You said push would have pull them to the side. It don't even have to be that. Sometimes it'd just be like, I look all right.

[Erickson]

I got.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, for sure.

[Erickson]

All right, bet. Say less.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all rappers. Y' all be bringing the mid joints, y' all to the sessions. Let's talk about it for a second. We gonna talk some more music shit.

[Erickson]

They don't just bring them to the sessions.

[Ish]

They bring them outside.

[Joe Budden]

They bring them when they come up. Oh.

[Erickson]

Might have had the fire with him in Paris.

[Ish]

Going to see for real.

[Ian]

Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Or. Or you would think, because you keep dressing it up with Paris and the.

[Ian]

There's a lot of mid.

[Erickson]

I got to remember that part.

[Flip]

I control the. So I can say, no. It's got her in it. Don't put that one.

[Parks]

But I'm just saying I'm coming in here to impress.

[Erickson]

I gotta look a certain age.

[Parks]

I'm coming to impress Pharrell, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I put a lot of mid on Travis jacket. Sorry, sorry. Maybe it's wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't saying. I ain't saying ain't some work on. Don't get me wrong. It's a mid on it, though. It's a mid on it. Listen, it ain't. Y' all fault rappers. It's the rappers from my day's fault because we was bringing the bad bitches to the studio. And they would sit there listening to the same beat for 37 hours. Hours. And they will realize there ain't nothing going on here. They just stopped. So by the time y' all was like, yo, come with me to the stew. Nah, the bad was like, no, are you crazy? I was in there when Nelly and them was in there. I ain't watching you record different days with Nelly.

[Ish]

And it was in there then.

[Joe Budden]

You can't even record right in the booth. Y' all put in a show for the. In the studio behind the glass. Behind the glass there. Hey, they don't know nothing now. Oh, you came it too late anyway.

[Flip]

Yeah, man, that's funny, Combo.

[Joe Budden]

You definitely can't play your album in my studio session. And you got with you. I'm telling you something. I'm telling. Telling you something. Whatever, man. Whatever. We can move on. What else we got music. What else we got music.

[Erickson]

It looks like. I don't know if he's heard the criticisms or some. Some shit cleared late, but it looks like Wayne is. Has been making additions to Carter 6. First they did the remix for Band from the no. Which does not include. It includes Nicki Minaj. Well, features Nicki Minaj.

[Parks]

Excuse me.

[Erickson]

It does not include him reciting Nori's verse from Band from tv. Thank God. And also there's another record that was added to the album that.

[Joe Budden]

That also.

[Erickson]

That features Future in Lil Baby.

[Flip]

That sounded all right.

[Erickson]

And that one. Yeah, yeah, that sounds. It sounds pretty good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

So I don't know if it's. If it's late clearances.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Erickson]

The album has been updated twice and it just says bonus, so it's not a deluxe. I don't know what they doing. But hey, if he got better music.

[Flip]

To add, they just gonna start taking.

[Erickson]

Real time adjustments.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Erickson]

We at the point where you can do it Omaha. I'm not mad at it. Omaha. So I'm happy to hear that. At least his. His daughter addressed people.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's the thing too. I'm sorry.

[Erickson]

No, go. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm still harping on this. We only looking at this one way because we know the clips. We've heard some of these songs, so we know heat was coming out them bigs. What if you wasn't sitting on Heat and you didn't know know whoever. But like Wayne album came out, he probably thought he was sitting on some Heat. So he in there on the bigs with that on. And then Travis. Was somebody coming? Hey, let me put this on. Excuse me, not even you.

[Erickson]

I'm playing this for you, for the producing war.

[Flip]

That's dope.

[Joe Budden]

But. And this. This isn't some of the most fire you ever heard come blaring out of your biggs. Now, you know that your is mid. You just up the rest of the session.

[Flip]

That's a fact.

[Erickson]

Up the rest of the album.

[Ish]

But that's good.

[Parks]

Now I need. I know I need writer's block.

[Erickson]

No, now I got writer's block. Back to the drawing board.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, exactly.

[Erickson]

Maybe that might have saved you.

[Joe Budden]

Drawing board. I'm in hour 19 of my session, and I thought. I just thought. Came up with the hook.

[Erickson]

Well, thank God.

[Parks]

Thank you, thank God.

[Erickson]

Let him in here to show you that that wasn't it.

[Joe Budden]

And that's.

[Erickson]

Some of you niggas need that.

[Joe Budden]

You get to hook me in my head. I wish that every human that enjoyed music was able to just try to record a song one time, be a part of the creation, just one time, try to record something that somebody in your friend group may like and listen to without you being there. I think that's just a. A practice that should happen. I swear I do.

[Ish]

Yeah, I could imagine.

[Joe Budden]

Even the bad songs was tough to come up. Yeah.

[Erickson]

Anyway, that's the luxury of just being a consumer and a fan. Like, you don't see that side. I have to deal with that side.

[Joe Budden]

Some of them bad songs took a week. Some of them shits took the whole session.

[Erickson]

Put a whole lot into it.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. And then it come out.

[Erickson]

And these is. Get that the out of here.

[Parks]

7. I heard the real artists, you know, they're just getting there. Knock that up.

[Joe Budden]

That hurts, man. I ain't gonna lie. I'm getting triggered on all over.

[Erickson]

Yeah, we don't. We don't see that side.

[Joe Budden]

Who else we got? Who else we got? What happened? Estg.

[Erickson]

Yes, yes, yes. ESTG dropped an album. I'm gonna get the name correct.

[Joe Budden]

Name. Get the name of this bad boy.

[Erickson]

Props for this album.

[Joe Budden]

Give estg he back. Absolutely.

[Erickson]

It's called My World, this one.

[Parks]

Is he back?

[Erickson]

Yeah, he's back.

[Joe Budden]

He might be back.

[Erickson]

No, no, no. There's no mic. He's back. He's back. Estg's back with this one. 14 tracks. Tracks it. I played a sleeper a couple weeks ago on the album. A couple pods ago, I should say. I did not know he was dropping. It popped up. First thing I saw was the way the songs were listed.

[Flip]

This is hilarious. This is some real engineer producer.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That's circulating.

[Erickson]

This was like the folder that is sent with. And I was like, what the. So I sent the text over to somebody like, yo, dog, y' all know y' all uploaded this this way.

[Flip]

I was like, yeah, that's fly. Kind of, sort of.

[Erickson]

So when the album first dropped. Excuse me. I tweeted out who the uploaded this album. But then I saw a fan saying, I ain't going to lie. This kind of fly, though. It take me back to the limewire days. It take me back to the mixtape. It looks like I ripped it off of it.

[Flip]

And I'm like, yeah, kind of.

[Erickson]

Oh, it's working on people. I ain't care about that. I wanted to hear the album. He said, back him forever.

[Parks]

Rolling.

[Erickson]

He got with the right producers. He's not doing the sing songy that he tried to. You could. You could see when somebody tries to advance their sound or try to get out of the box that they were put in. He went back into the box. That works.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

And I. I said it. This album is made for all of us who hated the last projects. Like, this is solely for us. The rest of y' all. Y' all ain't gotta like it.

[Ish]

Get out cuz they shoot get out cuz they shoot get out cuz they.

[Joe Budden]

Shoot get out cuz they shoot get.

[Ish]

Out cuz they shoot get out cuz.

[Desmond Bain]

They shoot.

[Joe Budden]

From my stomach in my face But I'm straight. You can tell the difference.

[Ish]

Bloody sweat.

[Joe Budden]

This is get down. I love this one.

[Erickson]

I got a whole bunch of.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't get to the second half. Just gave it a quick run through.

[Erickson]

The boss of all bosses, the hustle. Music like. Like it's. It's on here. If you're a estg fan, you will be pleased with this album.

[Flip]

That's fine.

[Joe Budden]

The older you get, you forget how to read, right? Where the is boss?

[Erickson]

All bosses. Oh, I had to figure.

[Flip]

Titles ain't titles.

[Parks]

Spell it different.

[Flip]

No, it's rough. 3:19. Yeah, it looks like crazy. And I think that is super dope and creative. But I've had that issue with underground rappers in general. Like, part of the reason why people don't know your songs and they'll say, someone fill in the blank. Artist. Yeah, but name a song. It's cuz you called the song Purple shoe laces and the chorus is we all peoples or something. You know, it's like a super catchy chorus. The title is right there. But you call this some super abstract now? No, I don't even know how to find it.

[Erickson]

It don't even be abstract. What a lot of them do is when they get the beat from. Because the producer will title.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Producers use.

[Erickson]

They'll send that over there and then they just keep that as the title and made their own song to it.

[Flip]

Or they just find one little punch line that was funny in verse two and make that the song title. It's like that's not good for branding.

[Erickson]

But yeah. Anyway. Shout out to est. He got. Like I said, he has a tour coming up too. We back. Okay, we back.

[Joe Budden]

You going to Tori?

[Erickson]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

You bring your girl?

[Erickson]

No, that's not how. She ain't an ESP fan.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't think so. I didn't think you were. Some concerts for the ladies. Yeah.

[Erickson]

That's a fact.

[Flip]

That's a fact. There's something you can stay home, baby.

[Erickson]

I got stay on home.

[Flip]

You're not gonna have the most fun here at all.

[Joe Budden]

Not to get in my parks bag, but I am really excited about the new Ghostface project.

[Flip]

Oh yeah, me too. Me too.

[Joe Budden]

Even though I don't like when take the classic and I had.

[Parks]

I hate that.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't think the ghost face is going to that up.

[Erickson]

It's just too much pressure though.

[Flip]

The he put out last year was fire. So. Yeah, I would look forward to this.

[Erickson]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Don't number two or number three leave the classic. The classic, like it just add. It just adds pressure unnecessarily.

[Flip]

It's especially weird when it's like 20 years later and you're working with a whole different set of people. Like. Like you're setting yourself up in a cause.

[Erickson]

You can't recruit that.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's not gonna sound nothing like that. You don't sound the same. Your producers are all moved on to different shit. It's a dangerous game. But I'm always looking forward to it.

[Erickson]

Not to jump back, but that's part of the problem with Wayne. Outside of the music being what it is.

[Flip]

You should stop calling these Carters.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erickson]

Calling these Carters adds pressure to it. It's a bar you gotta meet. If this was. I am not a human being. Throw three. It ain't going to be judged as bad. He did 110 first week with zero promo outside of me announcing it and.

[Flip]

Like bad promo after the first day.

[Erickson]

Yeah, right.

[Melissa Ford]

Did y see?

[Joe Budden]

I think that this new two chains and Neo is kind of hard too.

[Flip]

This is definitely Hard.

[Joe Budden]

It keeps saying from the short film Red Clay. I'm not familiar.

[Flip]

I think Chains is like the music supervisor or whatever. He's. He's doing all the music for this movie.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, boy.

[Ian]

Is it out yet?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Flip]

I don't. I don't know much about.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Ian]

Shut the up.

[Joe Budden]

All the songs that have been that he's done from this red clay.

[Flip]

Chains is fire.

[Joe Budden]

We let this rock a little bit on the beach. Bigs. Real quick. Come in your studio session and play this. Yeah, let me play my new slap with Neo, please. Right.

[Melissa Ford]

These beats.

[Ish]

Just another day in America. Politics, hol. Rocket ship, scholarships, ownership partnerships. My partner heard this, told me to drop this.

[Melissa Ford]

The 223 came with Monoc.

[Ish]

My name on your esophagus.

[Melissa Ford]

That's right.

[Ish]

You guessed it, dog. A blessing, dog. Raised around text and all. I still try to share extras, y' all. But if I say no, it's like.

[Joe Budden]

I never said yes at all.

[Ish]

I ain't going to lie. I miss big sis in the choir. I miss Pop telling me that we was I. He died right in front of me. I still don't know what to do. Told you we all. I'm not the same I am nothing like you and if I talk about.

[Desmond Bain]

The pain I overcame A salute.

[Mark]

Not the same I'm not the same Something change oh, I not the same hey, and if I any.

[Erickson]

B.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Flip]

Sable getting work today. Not work today. That sable's getting work. That's the same table as Mutt Leon Thomas.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Super hot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oops. Two chains. Two chains ain't letting nobody come to studio. Play no song.

[Ian]

Red Clay is a short film EP by. I'm sorry. Well, we asked the fucking question. It EP'd and co written by 2 Chainz with Omar Epps, and it debuted at the Atlanta Film Festival earlier this year.

[Joe Budden]

Friend of the show, Friend of the show, Omar Epps. Happy Father's Day to Omar Epps, man. We love you, bro. I don't have anything else in music that is. That we need to get to.

[Flip]

That's so dope to me. The sample. Like, play that shit again for a second.

[Joe Budden]

I got it.

[Flip]

You like to get these two songs? You get this. Oh, you go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

I hear it now. Yeah, me too.

[Erickson]

Soon as he did that.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Just another day to get that same record. Two different genres. Hip hop is the fly in the world.

[Joe Budden]

Let that play for a little bit. Let that play for a little bit. Yeah. We in Our music bag real quick.

[Flip]

Completely different records.

[Joe Budden]

Look at this. Hey, you got the Travis's, though.

[Flip]

Completely different pills.

[Joe Budden]

You got the Travis on. Don't stop playing with them.

[Erickson]

That's why you had to say was dope.

[Joe Budden]

Leon Thomas is having an incredible, incredible few years, actually. I love this shout out to him, man. Yeah, man. Oh, man. What's up?

[Erickson]

You know what I wanted to tell y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, good, good. What happened? You know, flip over. Flipping quiet for about two hours, I think so. Well, on the music show.

[Ish]

Yeah. You had lend me something, right? And you have asked him. You know, you asked me where it was at, so I said, do you need it? And then we had a conversation how you said, now take your time. I'm good. And I had a conversation with you how sometimes when you tell somebody take their time, the time that they take is extremely long. It goes from like, you know. Cause take my. When I say take your time, nigga, I'm talking about. You get a next week. Seven days, 14 days. You know, the max. Not a year or two years.

[Flip]

It's like no rush.

[Ish]

Yeah, don't.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Sometimes it's a little bit of a rush.

[Ish]

Take your time. Cause I can hear the tone in your voice. Like, yo, you know, like when you start with the, you know, I know you want some bullshit. Yo, don't worry. Take your time. I'm just trying to be, you know, empathetic.

[Ian]

Are we talking about money?

[Joe Budden]

Anything?

[Ish]

No, no, no money. Girl, you're my business, not no money.

[Ian]

You're.

[Ish]

Sorry.

[Ian]

I'm just.

[Ish]

I'm all right now. I'm. Look at me. I. I'm pretty good, gang.

[Joe Budden]

No, he all right now.

[Ish]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

He all right now. His little handcuff trick worked. That was fire little. This just keep finding little weird tricks that work words. I'm proud of you. Thank you.

[Ish]

Thank. I mean, you know.

[Joe Budden]

But I broke one of my rules again for you. Because I love you. Like, I don't even lend nothing. I use.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

If I use it, I don't lend it out.

[Ish]

Listen, I went to.

[Joe Budden]

Them days is over.

[Ish]

I went to the airport. They SC that.

[Joe Budden]

Tell them though. Tell them. Tell them what it is. So. So everybody could have some fun.

[Ish]

A book bag. It's the ill book bag.

[Joe Budden]

So I'll tell.

[Ish]

Had two lighters in there on each side. So they scared him the door.

[Joe Budden]

Best part, I'm like.

[Ish]

He had two lighters. He had the creams. Two cream stuff there.

[Erickson]

You ain't like.

[Ish]

I don't. I thought he would go through his bag before giving it to me. I'm looking at this like. Can we pull this over real quick?

[Erickson]

Let me get that back.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up.

[Ish]

Y said, yo, Pops. What happened?

[Joe Budden]

You lucky it was just the lighting. I was going to jam you up. Wow.

[Ish]

Intentionally.

[Parks]

You didn't look in the bag for real?

[Ish]

No, I trust. No, I didn't. Wait, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait. You. You don't think I bust mine?

[Ish]

Wait, so am I supposed to look in the bag?

[Ian]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

That was crazy. Yeah.

[Ish]

Absolutely. No.

[Ian]

Just in case he left something behind, which he did.

[Ish]

True. It was. It was last minute. I came the day of my flight. I came here. I need the bag. He gave it to me. Guess. Yeah, I guess I should have looked through the bag, but when they put through.

[Melissa Ford]

I always look through a bag.

[Ish]

How the. You have so much lighters in one. What the was that about? And that was placed nicely.

[Parks]

You talking about the baby oil?

[Ish]

That was.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was cream.

[Flip]

He had that.

[Ish]

He had that strawberry lip balm in that cream.

[Parks]

Said he travels around with the.

[Ish]

He was from.

[Erickson]

I don't think travel.

[Joe Budden]

You jerk off standing up. Don't talk to me.

[Ish]

I did too. We do too. Give you it give you some euphoric feeling. You. You get airheaded.

[Erickson]

Lightheaded.

[Joe Budden]

You get.

[Ish]

Let your shoot out. Oh, my God. Sorry, Parvy. Pardon Fried month.

[Flip]

That was graphic.

[Joe Budden]

Is it Pride Month?

[Ian]

It's still Pride Month.

[Ish]

Almost.

[Joe Budden]

How many months do.

[Ish]

The parade is on the 29th, but.

[Joe Budden]

How many months do they get sending.

[Ish]

Back Woody over here?

[Joe Budden]

I've been lied to a few other.

[Ish]

Months then about Pride Month.

[Joe Budden]

They just say that I be like, rock on. I'm with you. I support. They can say that. Yo, June got somewhere to be too, by the way. June is getting. June is getting the out of here.

[Ish]

It's going fast.

[Melissa Ford]

They just did the halfway Mother month poll for Potter of the month. You see that? I was like. I couldn't believe it was over the middle of the.

[Joe Budden]

No, we didn't see that.

[Ish]

Tell us about.

[Melissa Ford]

Since you seen.

[Erickson]

Let us know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, since you seen everything.

[Melissa Ford]

I think Ish is in the league.

[Ish]

Of course he is. You see the shirt? Huh? We opened by Uncle Bobby's.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Come on then. That we not. I'm down with you. We back. I was against you real quick, but I'm back. Try to be cool with us behind the scenes. We not with you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y' all be falling for the mark lineup. Yo, he. He throws something out there. Sit back and watch. How you feeling about it?

[Melissa Ford]

Just the Gas.

[Ish]

I thought he good at that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I ain't taking his word for who in the lead and who ain't. I wait till I see it.

[Melissa Ford]

Or the leader. I mean, the leader. The top joint, see?

[Ish]

Yeah, that knows the trick.

[Melissa Ford]

No, there's no trick. I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Because they break it up. Yeah, because there's too many hosts.

[Melissa Ford]

So, yeah, he's deleted the bottom joint. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

End of the second block year in the league.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't. I don't go that far down.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you don't have to when you pay him every week in Playback.

[Melissa Ford]

Don't pay nobody.

[Joe Budden]

It's cool. I paid him, too, the other day. Got to start evening this thing up. Man, I can't keep losing on the money. Tip. I gave him a little $99.

[Melissa Ford]

No, $99.

[Joe Budden]

They told me you gave 100 and.

[Melissa Ford]

So you gave 99?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Wait, hold on. Y' all paying it. Okay, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait. Oh, my. Wait, wait. Stop buying it.

[Ish]

What are y' all paying for it? What are y paying for?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the presidency was bought.

[Ish]

I'm just saying. What are y paying for?

[Joe Budden]

Everything is purchased.

[Ish]

What do they call it?

[Flip]

Radio promotion.

[Parks]

He made a billion a month.

[Erickson]

Yeah. Empower came with me.

[Joe Budden]

I don't make that.

[Parks]

He made a billion a month.

[Ish]

You don't make what.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't even want to make a billion.

[Ish]

You don't make what?

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't want to make a million a month. You. I'm answering you, but I'm telling you about me. I would not want to make a billion dollars a month is what I.

[Parks]

Would want you to make.

[Melissa Ford]

Why not?

[Ish]

Why not ignore Flip?

[Joe Budden]

I share some of your views on that. Like, too much. Too much is too much. There's a such thing. Okay, no, you were expressing some shit that I, like, lived by. I just would have never said it on air, but I think at a certain dollar amount, there's no such thing as your choice. And, yeah, I just. I'm cool with where my life is up to a certain point. Actually, Will Smith was just talking about this a few months from ago. Opposite of rock bottom is mountaintop or clifftop. And once you get to a certain dollar amount, all you're asking for is misery from that point on. He explained it way more eloquently than I would be able to say it, but I subscribe to that.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you can even see it. Not to go back to politics, because we covered that enough, but you've seen all the billionaires going into this Last election. Like, I don't know if all of them felt that way, but they had to for the sake of their billions of dollars.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you. If you can make a billion dollars a month, would you.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

I think that it wasn't a trick question.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no.

[Parks]

I'm saying. Yeah. The way Will Smith basically conveyed it was he was also saying, like, yo, when you bought everything, right? When it's nothing that money can do for you, when you get to a place where. Where, yes, money can't do nothing for you, now, your internal starts to manifest and you start to really see, like, am I happy? Am I fulfilled all this other. Because most poor people, we think money is going to be our fulfillment, but.

[Flip]

It'S not got time.

[Parks]

But when you get to. You don't even got a time to sit and self reflect.

[Joe Budden]

You and this we.

[Ian]

Anyway, did you ever read his book.

[Ish]

When you can get everything you want, you'd love it.

[Ian]

You would like it.

[Parks]

You said we. What?

[Joe Budden]

No, you were saying we poor people. So I was just this little hug.

[Melissa Ford]

Ha ha. Right.

[Joe Budden]

With $5,000 shoes on. Yeah. Word. Now he poor.

[Melissa Ford]

I know you got it from your man that was in the car.

[Parks]

I rode by your house, though, Mr. Ish. I rode by your house.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen, I got the Jews. You asked for the shoes.

[Parks]

I rolled by your house the other day.

[Melissa Ford]

You didn't roll by my house.

[Parks]

Yes, I did. It's all right, though.

[Joe Budden]

You better shut up.

[Melissa Ford]

Did I not? That's exactly what I told you it was, right?

[Parks]

What?

[Melissa Ford]

That it's not a huge house.

[Joe Budden]

It's Maddie dark.

[Parks]

I've lived in that neighborhood before you, but you. I know exactly where you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I wasn't exaggerating. I told. I told, like. All right.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It's a McMansion, isn't it?

[Melissa Ford]

It is not a McMansion.

[Parks]

Yo, shut up.

[Joe Budden]

But you shouldn't be looking at his house. You said you was cool with living in Section 8. He said he wasn't.

[Parks]

Who said he was cool with living in Section 8?

[Ish]

He said that. When?

[Melissa Ford]

Yo Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Him and many y' all said that.

[Ish]

You cool with living in Section 8, too?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, this whole cast said it, except for me and Mark. And somehow we were made out to be elitist. But because of that, right?

[Erickson]

Nobody.

[Ish]

Wait, so are y' all saying that because the rent would be cheaper, they'll put a spin, but that's why you're saying it?

[Ian]

Yes.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Ian]

And in certain, depending on which market you're in, there is some luxury digs that you can get.

[Melissa Ford]

Just not the level that we would want.

[Parks]

Yeah, you special, yo.

[Joe Budden]

You special.

[Ish]

Will you take the food stamps that come with that?

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Got your moment.

[Joe Budden]

We did.

[Melissa Ford]

We did. We did the food stamp thing too. We talked about that too. Like.

[Erickson]

No, wait, wait.

[Melissa Ford]

Unless I get them in a barbershop.

[Ish]

Well, I take. I take food stamps today, but.

[Melissa Ford]

That's right. I said the same thing. I said if I can get him on the low like in a barber.

[Ish]

Shop today, I'm not signing up for it.

[Joe Budden]

We want.

[Melissa Ford]

We want more than that.

[Ish]

I feel like a section 8.

[Parks]

Let Me Live where he lives right now on section 8. Now what you going to say?

[Joe Budden]

I've never been to Flip's house.

[Melissa Ford]

I have.

[Joe Budden]

It's nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

I can.

[Parks]

He could live where he lives right now on section 8.

[Ish]

Trying to play my house.

[Ian]

That's nice.

[Parks]

No house is nice.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think he wants to die in that house or do you think. You think he wants more?

[Parks]

Here you go.

[Melissa Ford]

Moving on.

[Parks]

What's the one thing I do at the house?

[Ish]

Look at me.

[Parks]

Section eight buys you houses, Joe. You ain't know that either, did you?

[Ish]

I feel like you could pull out.

[Joe Budden]

All of your corned beef hash facts. I know I don't want to live.

[Parks]

You pulled out your cornbread bullshit about you want to die in the house.

[Erickson]

What the fuck that gotta do with.

[Parks]

Him living in the house that's on section eight if he wanted to.

[Ish]

I feel like Section eight makes you too comfortable. If you live in section eight.

[Melissa Ford]

I feel like Maddie should be.

[Ish]

Holy.

[Ian]

That sounds too comfortable.

[Ish]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not being racist. It's not a color thing.

[Parks]

It's not a color thing.

[Ish]

No, that's not what. I'm just saying.

[Ian]

Section eight makes you too comfortable.

[Ish]

I live in a section eight. I'll be too comfortable. I wouldn't want like. I'll be too comfortable. I'll probably buy a lot of other shit. I probably Me. I'm talking about me personally, nigga. I wouldn't even pay attention to wanting to upgrade me.

[Joe Budden]

How did you get to Travis'.

[Ish]

He stole it.

[Joe Budden]

I did you like.

[Melissa Ford]

Did you say one of his trabajadores got him that joint?

[Erickson]

He went to the spot.

[Joe Budden]

They moved your name up on the list.

[Melissa Ford]

No.

[Joe Budden]

They took you off the wavelength.

[Erickson]

They got the stores you could go in that sell the.

[Parks]

That you just did.

[Melissa Ford]

You have one of your workers waiting line at the Foot Locker.

[Joe Budden]

They moved your.

[Ish]

I met the line waiters, the that wait in line. You got to pay them to wait.

[Melissa Ford]

In line for you. That's what I'm saying. You probably. Did you send one of your guys.

[Ish]

I met them at the diddy trial.

[Erickson]

You ain't got to pay.

[Melissa Ford]

You met them at the diddy trial.

[Ish]

No, I'm serious. It's. You pay to stay. Just wait.

[Joe Budden]

Remember the niggas you met? Yeah.

[Ish]

Cause they was arguing with the lady, I swear.

[Parks]

With him.

[Ish]

Yeah, they're fire. I like how much I get paid to wait in line.

[Ian]

Yeah, you can actually pay people to wait in line.

[Ish]

How much would. Would you get paid to wait?

[Ian]

And here's the thing. It would be cheaper to pay somebody to wait in line than to try to pay somebody off who was waiting in line because that's what they wanted to go in. You know what I'm saying?

[Melissa Ford]

And it's a good hustle, yo. Like, for example, if you send somebody to buy the tickets at face price or sneakers at face price, you could. You could pay somebody, you know, $300 to wait in line to buy 200 sneakers that you could in sale for $5,000. You know what I'm saying? It's not a bad hustle. I know a lot of people that do it.

[Ian]

Is that what you did?

[Melissa Ford]

Ish.

[Ish]

I told you, he's not. Yo, listen, I'm tired of this. Let me talk to you.

[Parks]

Act like you still have to be.

[Ish]

Stop being too f. Stop playing.

[Erickson]

All right, all right. Let's say they old. How you got them?

[Joe Budden]

And would you wear them if you had your section 8 crib?

[Ish]

And stop being too fucking modest, nigga.

[Parks]

Yes, I would, Wood.

[Joe Budden]

That's the problem. That's the problem with you. I don't feel like.

[Melissa Ford]

How'd you get on them, bro?

[Parks]

I don't feel like it with you today.

[Joe Budden]

Friday then, baby.

[Melissa Ford]

You answered everything by how you got them.

[Parks]

I bought them.

[Melissa Ford]

What you think you bought them direct?

[Ish]

Yeah. You went in the store and just bought them 2500. Don't want or did you go to.

[Melissa Ford]

Flight club, something like that? Flight seller.

[Parks]

Okay. One of them.

[Joe Budden]

One of them.

[Melissa Ford]

Joint resell. Oh, so big money. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, big.

[Parks]

They wasn't four figures.

[Melissa Ford]

And how you know which house was mine?

[Parks]

Mark, that's my hood.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Parks]

What they got to do, though, exactly? House. I roll by your.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, you went through my neighborhood?

[Parks]

No, through my neighborhood. Your house just happens to be in it. Oh, I rolled down your block.

[Ish]

How you know which is how you feel?

[Parks]

I don't know which one is his house.

[Melissa Ford]

So all the time when I say, wasn't I Right about what my house looked like. You was playing it off as if.

[Joe Budden]

Like that's what this section 8 be.

[Melissa Ford]

Doing when they ride through the hood.

[Joe Budden]

That's my car.

[Ish]

That's 2,000.

[Erickson]

I'mma get one of those.

[Flip]

You seen CNN, right?

[Joe Budden]

You know, dude, that be on there.

[Melissa Ford]

That's my man.

[Erickson]

That's my man. I'm going go home and look that on up.

[Ish]

Oh man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Flip perfectly brought us to this Diddy case. I don't know if you guys heard. One of the jurors have been removed 41 year old black male for inconsistencies with his address where he lived apparently. One time he said he lived in Brooklyn. Another time he said he lived in Staten Island. So judge kicked him. Alternate juror in 54 year old white male.

[Flip]

How many black jurors are on the.

[Joe Budden]

That I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

Three now, right? Oh, three was four, right, wasn't it?

[Joe Budden]

I can't say for fact.

[Erickson]

That's black jurors or just black men?

[Ian]

Black jurors.

[Melissa Ford]

Black jurors. My understanding is there are four.

[Joe Budden]

I could be wrong.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm not 100% sure on that, but I've been told four.

[Joe Budden]

I know there's four men, eight women out of know.

[Ish]

Why you see the slave zone.

[Parks]

What fam you kick somebody off the jury cuz they had inconsistencies in their address.

[Ian]

Yeah, what does that have to do.

[Parks]

How does that even keep coming up? Y I gave you an address in the beginning.

[Melissa Ford]

You might be because they might be trying to diversify the jury pool from different parts of and so if you said you were from here, we wouldn't have picked you if you were from there. It might be one of those things. It's probably. I still think it's a technicality to get rid of certain but you asked.

[Parks]

Me again after the trial starts or.

[Erickson]

They might somebody report.

[Melissa Ford]

That seems more likely. Yo, yo, you know Rakim number 12, right? Yo, number 12, he bullshitting right Healing right here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he'll be here with me.

[Parks]

He'd be here with me.

[Erickson]

That's crazy.

[Parks]

And replaced him with a white male, 54 years old. I mean look, probably from.

[Joe Budden]

Could be.

[Melissa Ford]

From any anywhere Elmira. Hey, hey, hey, everybody.

[Joe Budden]

And they played this was the first time that they actually played some video footage from the freak offs. They played about 12 to 13 seconds.

[Parks]

Freaky ass court room audio was on it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, they had heard audio clips before. I don't know if audio was on this video. Video. Well, it must have been because it's being Reported that a few of the jurors had reactions to what they were seeing.

[Flip]

That's gross.

[Ian]

I was.

[Joe Budden]

I take that to mean that they maybe heard something too. Apparently one. One lady laughed. One lady turned away her face and disgust. I wanted to come here a few weeks ago and talk. When they said, when the judge checked Puff for looking at locking eyes with one of the jurors.

[Erickson]

You can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but we going to do that.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's the same Jordy got.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. I don't know about that.

[Melissa Ford]

No. I mean, that's what was reported. Is that what's being reported? I don't know if it's confirmed, but that's what's being reported. That the person he locked eyes with was the person who. Who was removed. I don't know that. Again, I'm not saying that as a fact, but that's what's been reported. I don't know for sure.

[Parks]

Me and you over here bonding. Yo, you hear this? My.

[Ish]

He was shaking like this.

[Joe Budden]

Got a big money scheme and you ain't even. You ain't even with it. They getting him out of here.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I thought that they was doing that before the juror got removed, but this is just like cementing it.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Oh, you can't look at the juror and smile.

[Ian]

I mean, why you can't you talking about. Because he's already been accused.

[Joe Budden]

John Gotti looked at 19 jurors.

[Ian]

Okay. But Puff specifically has been accused of witness tampering, manipulating people.

[Parks]

Has Puff been accused?

[Joe Budden]

John Gotti did that and pulled up the witnesses houses afterwards and had them followed.

[Ish]

He been murdered?

[Ian]

Yes. That's why he didn't get bailed.

[Parks]

They said that he could potentially tamper with witnesses.

[Ian]

Intimidated. Exactly.

[Parks]

So he has not been accused of that though. It's two different things. Have you think that I could do some shit or if I did it, it's different.

[Ian]

Well, I mean, isn't that an accusation? In order to keep him in jail, Bail denied. Because we believe this is what you do, so.

[Joe Budden]

Or can do or could or can't.

[Ian]

So. Okay, so we're being semantic by calling it like, you know, an accusation.

[Erickson]

Well, it's. Yeah. We're not saying you didn't.

[Ian]

We just know you possibly could do it. Okay.

[Ish]

But just same same, though.

[Joe Budden]

What do you guys think about the juror being removed? We always.

[Ish]

I think it's one.

[Melissa Ford]

One quick thing though, I just want to add is you are allowed to look at the jury.

[Parks]

You can look at whoever. You don't have to be docile in court like this meek looking at the ground. You could look over there at the people.

[Melissa Ford]

Not only. Not only are you allowed to look at the jury, but they often encourage you.

[Parks]

Encourage you so that you could show remorse, et cetera, et cetera.

[Melissa Ford]

But I'm talking about during the selection process for idea. They encourage you to look during the trial. You're allowed to look. But what they. They say is don't stare.

[Ian]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

Because if you stare.

[Joe Budden]

But what if I found one of them that agrees with what I'm. What's what I'm thinking there's no rule against it. Then I gotta stare at him.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I saw a homeboy make a face when somebody said some bullshit. Me and him.

[Ian]

Yeah. I think that that's awesome.

[Melissa Ford]

Now if they see that, I think that's why they start checking his address. If that's the same person. I'm looking for something like we look for another.

[Erickson]

Get him out of here.

[Parks]

Cause you can't for a reason to expel him.

[Ian]

And they're probably also afraid that like the eye connection is a very new way. Wants non verbal sense of communication.

[Melissa Ford]

Right.

[Ian]

Two black dudes kind of like looking at it.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Ian]

Exactly. It's like when two girl.

[Melissa Ford]

Exactly.

[Flip]

They're saying that dude. They're saying dude, by the way, said that he lived in the Bronx, but he lives in New Jersey. And because it's a Manhattan, you live out of state.

[Parks]

Then you gotta get.

[Flip]

And he did tell another juror or someone overheard it.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta hit home. Man. That trap traffic in the tunnel.

[Flip]

No, he told a court staff member. That's so.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's even worse.

[Flip]

According to the news.

[Joe Budden]

You're done, buddy. Pack it up.

[Parks]

Yeah, you wink that puff, we're gonna.

[Erickson]

Get you out of here.

[Parks]

We'll make up a reason why you're getting the from out of here.

[Joe Budden]

But it's cool.

[Erickson]

But you off this trial.

[Joe Budden]

Final thoughts on this from you guys. I. I think that his. His is cooked. I thought. Yeah. I thought his muffin was cracked long before the juror thing, I think.

[Ish]

Have you been keeping up casually?

[Joe Budden]

I've been living my life like it's golden. Y' all want to be out there breaking the law. I ain't cracking my neck to pick up the New York Post to see what the. The trial is. I'm sorry. I'm phony. Yeah.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Erickson]

All right. After the first maybe two, three days, I stopped watching. Yeah.

[Parks]

No people.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if you get free My phone gonna start buzzing.

[Erickson]

He gonna call you.

[Flip]

As long as your car's not buzzing.

[Erickson]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Get the off.

[Parks]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that he would. Since you're asking.

[Parks]

I heard what you said.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever I said, I stand in it. If I'm. If I'm gonna go rock with the protesters, I'm going.

[Parks]

Can't stop, won't can't stop, won't stop.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't leaving, cuz I'm trying to get natural yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Go.

[Ish]

Get born natural, natural, natural, naturalized, naturalized Y stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Oh my God, man.

[Ish]

That's you getting one of them. And a can't get checks, man.

[Joe Budden]

A can't just get me on the phone by calling my phone. Sorry. Is sorry.

[Parks]

You don't answer the phone for puff.

[Joe Budden]

Out of there. No. Mm. It's over. That. That's done deal, Donezo. There's nothing to talk about. It's nothing to discuss.

[Parks]

He might wanna come on the show.

[Joe Budden]

Good fam. He's not allowed on the show. I see a trajectory to my life, and by the grace of God, it's going that way.

[Ish]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. I'm not pulling nobody up. That was in my 30s.

[Ish]

No, it is bro.

[Joe Budden]

In my 40s. What'd your extent stand for? Do right and kill everything. You do that and I'm gonna do that. And if we happen to meet at say, less or Pergola. Hey, if they let you upstairs in pergola, I'll see you. They let you up there.

[Melissa Ford]

Just be everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

That's where you go if you want to see what all your old are doing.

[Ish]

Pergola.

[Joe Budden]

2Nd floor pergola. 2nd floor Pergola. If you're just curious about what all. Whoever you're all where. Which you shouldn't be curious anyway. But. But if you just want to happen to see a good second floor on a weeknight spring.

[Parks]

On a weeknight spring, fall.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go. Go in there by yourself and just. And just have a look around.

[Parks]

78° Thursday.

[Joe Budden]

Order hookah by yourself and just sit there and ice grill them.

[Erickson]

Best shoes on you ever ice grill.

[Joe Budden]

Your old work while they with some new doofus Horny. No, look, she trying to dress different now. You look stupid, though.

[Ish]

You don't look right. You look straight ahead, right? Yeah, we know.

[Joe Budden]

I sit there on the FaceTime and then show the phone. Look. Look at them. I hit. I hit the camera. I put this right in the group chat like I did Po when he was Dating that little black girl. You still talk to her. You ain't letting that piece go. Yo, yo, yo, Paul ain't letting that thick black thing go war crazy. I know that is. Go ahead, bro.

[Ish]

Man, what happened to your elbow, gang?

[Ian]

You talking to me?

[Ish]

Yeah, what happened to your elbow?

[Flip]

Tennis elbow.

[Ish]

Funny you ask, you try to get one of the lawsuits put you on, too?

[Ian]

Well, not in regards to this, but yeah, we're.

[Melissa Ford]

And I don't put people on to any kind of lawsuits. That would be illegal.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Mel. Not in regards to this.

[Ish]

Why you shaking head with that, huh? Exposing. I be exposing. You saying again straight get books. You saying that again on here. Talk loud when I'm here, boy.

[Melissa Ford]

When. When them legal scams Mark got you hooked into?

[Erickson]

What?

[Ish]

Don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

What you.

[Ish]

None of y say. I'm here to expose all you while I'm up here.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

What's.

[Ish]

What happened to y?

[Melissa Ford]

Got a word for that.

[Flip]

Couple of them actually.

[Parks]

Ratting, snitching, and a big blowup image.

[Ish]

I don't do crowds with old.

[Parks]

A little tail attached.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy.

[Ian]

I think we talked about. We talked about this on last pod.

[Ish]

I wasn't here. Okay.

[Ian]

Yeah, I'll go watch it. Dennis. Elbow.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay, so for the next three to four weeks, with a potential extension for three to four more weeks, if it's successful, it should be wearing this bandage. Is that right?

[Ian]

Something like that. I go for physical therapy and all this. It's not really all that interesting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no. We got to hear the tennis ball start.

[Ish]

I hope you're okay.

[Ian]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ian]

This hurts.

[Ish]

Don't throw your shoulder out next.

[Ian]

I'm trying not to.

[Joe Budden]

We got. I'm here all week as you exit. DVDs are for sale to your left. What else we got? What else we got? Come on. While Mark's still awake, y' all.

[Erickson]

This was nothing about nothing. It's just something that was weird. Not weird. Odd to me. So I'm at my. My daughter's preschool graduation.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, congrats to her.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, thank you.

[Erickson]

Congrats to her. And my stepson. Both of them graduated, but. So you know the graduation theme song that they play? The little march.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Erickson]

Whatever the. It's called that. I call it Macho Man, Randy Savage theme song.

[Melissa Ford]

Anyway, Tomato, tomato.

[Erickson]

They cut that and went into not like us.

[Flip]

Oh, shit.

[Ian]

Preschoolers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I was like, yeah. I know.

[Flip]

It doesn't seem appropriate.

[Joe Budden]

Kendrick won, yo. You don't say, wait till Drake DMs. The school.

[Flip]

Exerts his power.

[Erickson]

I was like, oh. And the little kids came out dancing to Not Like Us. And we're saying they were using it as like a. We're stepping up. Like, they tried to make not like Us a positive phrase.

[Joe Budden]

Not Like Us a positive phrase, though.

[Melissa Ford]

But who's today?

[Parks]

The staff, I guess.

[Erickson]

The other kids. I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

You know how crazy that is? That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You don't see that as a positive phrase, though.

[Flip]

Depending on which side of the graduation you're on.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. Not at school.

[Ish]

No.

[Parks]

Depending on who you on, right?

[Erickson]

Yeah, depending on who the us or who they are.

[Flip]

The kids that are going to be preschoolers, again, not so positive.

[Ish]

Right.

[Erickson]

Those who going back to school.

[Parks]

They younger than us. What the you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

It was just if we. If we've. If we've set out to identify people that are different than us and we identify them, unfortunately. Well, no. Oh, you. Oh, you took up the racial way. All right, forget it. I ain't even talking about race. I ain't think about that.

[Parks]

I didn't even say nothing.

[Melissa Ford]

I ain't thinking about race. Not a lot.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't saying that.

[Erickson]

But nothing about race. Now, I'm just speaking generally. Who's to say us is right? So now when you say they not like us, what if we wrong?

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's true, because you be on the them side.

[Erickson]

I'm they. I hate all you niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly, pronouns.

[Melissa Ford]

In the school, then it should be nobody who's losing. That's the problem. It's like, they not like us. Like we better. Like nobody should be.

[Erickson]

Wait, wait, hold up.

[Parks]

They in 12th grade. They in 11th grade and 10th grade. They not like us because we get to walk across the stage.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Melissa Ford]

I mean, that's. I guess back to what you said.

[Erickson]

There should be nobody losing.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, that's supposed to be celebrated in.

[Joe Budden]

School, not at a graduation.

[Parks]

Am I supposed to be losing in the school?

[Flip]

The kids that didn't work hard enough.

[Erickson]

Yeah, you gotta see, I disagree with all of that hard work. The ones that work hard and our head and shoulders above the rest should be rewarded for that.

[Ian]

Yeah, but a lot of times the.

[Joe Budden]

Reason why section 8 should eat crab legs.

[Erickson]

I wasn't here for the Section 8 talk.

[Ian]

That is true, but a lot of times.

[Erickson]

Sorry for your gotcha moment that you missed.

[Joe Budden]

So we're gonna miss.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, wait, quick. Do you think section 8 people should eat crab legs?

[Erickson]

Fuck yes.

[Ish]

See.

[Parks]

You don't.

[Joe Budden]

I answered that already.

[Parks]

I don't remember.

[Ian]

No, he said no.

[Melissa Ford]

He says they shouldn't have said steak this evil. Said they eat their steaks.

[Joe Budden]

Well, use your words, section 8 crab legs.

[Parks]

Before, said the section 8 supposed to live for free and not pay the landlords no money during company. And y' all stood by that like it was.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I don't know what you talking about. When my people hit me and was like, yo, I got. I got the card and I. Yeah, that was you to call me.

[Erickson]

Who called me? No, they called me.

[Joe Budden]

I know they came and dropped all them crab legs of mouth. You mean your shit was great.

[Melissa Ford]

You ain't protest, huh?

[Joe Budden]

No. Why would I protest? Listen, I know some niggas on Section eight. You ain't gonna be able to tell them there's a food in the supermarket that they can't get.

[Parks]

Nigga, I know some niggas on Section eight that got numbers on the back of their vehicle with letters next to it. Fuck you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm slow, yo. I thought I would get slower in my 50s. It's coming. No, it's here. It ain't coming at all.

[Parks]

S. Five hundreds, six hundred.

[Erickson]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I'm not getting slow.

[Erickson]

She's not like us.

[Parks]

G550.

[Joe Budden]

No, I've been told you. I'm not like yo. Oh, yeah. I'm not like.

[Ish]

He not like. No, he not like nobody.

[Joe Budden]

I used to be like him.

[Parks]

Never was like me.

[Erickson]

Yo, shout out.

[Ish]

You the upgraded version of him?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say that. That's.

[Ish]

I just ask a question.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'll make sure.

[Ish]

Clean it up.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm the upgraded version of me.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh.

[Ish]

Oh, you are.

[Joe Budden]

That's a good answer.

[Ish]

That phone.

[Melissa Ford]

Let's see.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid, yo. All right. We've unpacked the Diddy trial. We've unpacked Cuomo versus Mummy. We did not unpack the new Will Smith song yet.

[Ish]

The video Girls.

[Joe Budden]

Girls.

[Ish]

That the girls?

[Flip]

Is this the one from the album Pretty Girls?

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I like Pretty Girls.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Melissa Ford]

He decided that that wasn't enough.

[Joe Budden]

I have it here.

[Ish]

How you feel, Mark, about that?

[Flip]

You can cut that off.

[Erickson]

I don't know this going to work for. It will be Girls, girls, girls.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Melissa Ford]

I love Pretty Girl.

[Parks]

They playing this right now in can.

[Erickson]

On the boat that he pulled up with over there. You too fine for the line tonight.

[Melissa Ford]

Five plus five.

[Erickson]

You were D tonight.

[Joe Budden]

It's a full house. Better play your cards right.

[Parks]

I'mma post your dick if you pose.

[Joe Budden]

Make one phone call, you in Vogue. Toes. Hold up, wait. Pose. I'm about to do some investing. I'll Spend it on you and your bestie, you and your twin on a jet ski.

[Melissa Ford]

I'll change your life if you laugh like Pretty girl.

[Flip]

That's actually not horrible.

[Erickson]

That is what.

[Parks]

And that beat is gonna go. I can see it tick tocking.

[Joe Budden]

It's not gonna go anywhere.

[Erickson]

It's not gonna go. It's not gonna go nowhere here. That record's not for here.

[Flip]

I was around when getting jiggy with it dropped. And that was corny, too. And it worked. I don't know.

[Melissa Ford]

Switch work. This ain't going. The problem is, first of all, if this had been the lead single and he had done this first and then didn't do them terrible freestyles and all that other shit, he might have been on a different trajectory. We just say he made a corny mid album, right? But he has, with all due respect, has kind of embarrassed. This feels like midlife crisis now. So by the time this comes out, what would be a song that might be a 5 on a 1 to 10, you know what I mean? It's gonna feel like another corny move. Like it's too late. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

Even for a miz a key.

[Erickson]

I don't know what.

[Parks]

I don't know what you talking about. If the right girl gets this, that's influential on the gram and has that on dancing to it, everybody else gonna follow suit.

[Flip]

This is not horrible.

[Erickson]

I don't think. I don't pantheon.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying. It's relative.

[Joe Budden]

Talking over each other. I want to hear y' all.

[Flip]

I said it's not that bad. In the pantheon of Will Smith records. Like true again. I remember Wild Wild west and all that. This fits right in that playlist.

[Erickson]

And it will pull the boat up over there in the south of France. Over there where they be at. Pull playing this type of.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Erickson]

Them pretty girls going on the boat.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, this works in Europe.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Can anybody just hold on real quick? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Erickson]

I shut up all the time. Let me say something. When Drake did that honestly, never mind album that y' all, a lot of people tried to sit here and love, it was big because it's made for international. And go over there and go over. This is that type of that.

[Melissa Ford]

This time.

[Joe Budden]

Mute all these mics, please. Please.

[Erickson]

Hey, dog, that's what we doing.

[Joe Budden]

Please mute every other mic but mine.

[Erickson]

Please say less.

[Joe Budden]

Please mute every single mic.

[Erickson]

Got it?

[Joe Budden]

I can't anymore. I don't know. Payroll, you niggas is on. This is not what y' all are describing. And this broadcast has too much esteem in the music world world for me to let y' all keep telling people that if the right girl get their hands on this, it's gonna fly. I let y' all get y' all. Snoop takes off this. Y' all have to stop. I don't know what Will Smith album you working on.

[Flip]

I'm not working on Whisper.

[Joe Budden]

The days of Wild Wild west. Because that worked too. All them shits that you named work those days are not here. Will Smith is how old?

[Ish]

50.

[Joe Budden]

The stimulus plan that you naming is not working today for 50. However year old Will Smith. I don't think this is a bad song, but we can't pump this up like this is about to do something.

[Erickson]

And that's not what I said either for y' all.

[Flip]

I did not say.

[Erickson]

I did not say.

[Joe Budden]

I am not.

[Flip]

Never said it's doing nothing.

[Erickson]

All I said was this record was would work for him over there. I said it's not for here. I don't agree with the TikTok Instagram. None of that stuff that ish said. I said with over there overseas, this is an international sounding record.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

I was down with you until you started. Until you made the Drake reference. Drake is the biggest rapper in the world.

[Erickson]

I'm just talking about the sound. The sound. When honestly Nevermind came out, I came in here and hated that. And y' all said, no, it's not for here. Luxury sound go overseas. They playing it overseas. I'm telling you, that type of sound with Will Smith, who he is and his star quality overseas, this would work for him.

[Parks]

They playing that song in Cannes right now.

[Erickson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

I don't think it's going to work, but it's not the horriblest. When it first came out, it sounded horrible to me.

[Joe Budden]

But again, Will Smith, there's somebody online saying that if you pitch it down.

[Flip]

That'S all they said about.

[Joe Budden]

I thought it sounded bad both times. So that little tweet didn't get me. But there was another tweet that said if you pitch Anita Baker down, she sounds like Michael McDonald. Hasn't left my head.

[Ian]

Other way around. You pitch it up and Michael McDonald sounds like Anita Baker.

[Ish]

I didn't see that.

[Joe Budden]

She said the same.

[Flip]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

I said if you pitch Anita Baker down. But she said if you pitch Michael.

[Ian]

McDonald up, the recording is of Michael McDonald being pitched up. He sounds like Anita Baker. That's what it was.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think she said that. But let's do it. Yeah.

[Ian]

It was a video that was.

[Joe Budden]

What'd you say?

[Erickson]

We're a music part. Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

We are not a music part.

[Ian]

The song was. I keep forgetting.

[Erickson]

Oh, okay.

[Melissa Ford]

Definitely Michael McDonald.

[Erickson]

And you gotta pitch this down.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, then you saw a different video than me. I can assure you the one I saw was gonna be okay.

[Ian]

Well, let's try it.

[Ish]

I sorta need a bigger one too, Joe. I done see this one.

[Joe Budden]

What is the difference?

[Ish]

I saw the Anita Baker one that he's talking about.

[Melissa Ford]

It sounds like both things happened. This isn't really who done it.

[Flip]

I guess by.

[Joe Budden]

Because they're both the same thing.

[Melissa Ford]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy. Kind of nuts.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it's. It's Anita Baker pitch down. I found it.

[Joe Budden]

You bring me.

[Mark]

Joy.

[Joe Budden]

When I'm done. I so much joy.

[Mark]

When I.

[Ish]

Let's go. Let's go, Mike.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yo. All right.

[Ish]

So final Michael McDonald song now.

[Erickson]

You got to do.

[Ish]

You got to do what she said, cuz she ain't going to let it go. Did you believe them? I told them there was a video.

[Parks]

They didn't listen.

[Ian]

It has nothing to do with whether you believe me or not. There is a video circulating where it's playing Mike McDonald.

[Joe Budden]

I believe you. I want to hear it. I want to hear.

[Ian]

And they pitch it and it sounds like her.

[Ish]

We got your tennis.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the problem with pitching this up is the tempo is about to go.

[Ian]

And the tempo went down and was.

[Ish]

Looking down the street. Freeze.

[Mark]

It's too fast.

[Ian]

Too fast.

[Ish]

Hey, let's go, man.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all.

[Erickson]

The Internet was a mistake.

[Flip]

He ended up discovering slowing records up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm mad that I ever read that.

[Melissa Ford]

Cuz that blew my mind.

[Joe Budden]

That's going to bother me every time.

[Erickson]

You hear it now. That one sounded nuts.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, Mel's one was definitely better.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

You ready, Fox?

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're recording. Yeah.

[Ish]

You know, you try to gas me. Some sort of moral morale boost? No, I don't need that. I'm good, homie. Salute. Do that for everybody else.

[Joe Budden]

That was you that just said, yo, please pass me the ball. Please allow me to introduce something. Announce something or do it.

[Ish]

No, I didn't use the pass the ball.

[Joe Budden]

I said did it.

[Ish]

I said, trying to speak on a topic here is like trying to win the lottery. That's what I stated. Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Why you think that is?

[Ish]

There's a lot of, you know, a lot of voices, a lot of passion when it comes. Know a lot of us are passionate.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody got to go.

[Ish]

I don't think so. I just think that, you know, you.

[Joe Budden]

As the boss, we got to pick our spots.

[Ish]

We spoke on the phone about, you know, I think that you more than well enough. You know, that did leap. That.

[Melissa Ford]

On the phone about this.

[Ish]

That did leap. Wait a minute.

[Melissa Ford]

Y' all spoke on the phone about.

[Ian]

About.

[Ish]

No, let me. Let me just say, you know, I like to do. And this is about me. I like. Yeah, make the face. I don't give a. If you look at him, he can't make the face.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not looking at him. I'm not looking at nobody. My man at the red camera, just.

[Ish]

Just about a review on me, you know, That's. That's all it was.

[Melissa Ford]

So you didn't complain too much Talk.

[Ish]

No, no, no, don't complain. Just, you know, he just had a real nigga conversation with his boy, and that's it. That's why I was able to see you yesterday. But right now.

[Melissa Ford]

Now what?

[Joe Budden]

That was the end of your story?

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't think that. Because when I get into too much details, they don't like breaking the fifth wall. Right. Since y' all like to cater to the.

[Joe Budden]

We're not breaking the fifth wall.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I have.

[Ish]

No, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't brush me off. Tell me to correct it. That's what you do a lot. That shows that I'm not capable of explaining.

[Melissa Ford]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can explain it, but you might go past the line.

[Ish]

Okay, good.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to go past a line. That's why I'm doing it.

[Ish]

All right, good.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm not going back past the line that you told me. No, not. I'm not going to go ahead. No, not about that.

[Joe Budden]

This. No, please, go ahead. Please.

[Ish]

No, no, no. But I had. I wanted to have a conversation about just my performance, how I could get better, where things are wrong. He was just honest with me about my performance, where things went wrong, how the ball was handed to me, and how things had to shift because I wanted. I didn't want to play ball. And, you know, he just a real. He brought up facts. I didn't think he had the facts.

[Erickson]

But a lot of.

[Ish]

He watched. Yo, this is what you did. He was correct. You did this at this time. He had his dates correct. I think the nigga pulled it out his phone. Cause his memory usually bad. And I had to go to my notes because I try to record him a lot and get notes on him. To use it later.

[Joe Budden]

I talk with him. I don't. It's like he caught me at a great time Saturday morning, whenever it wasn't. I don't have these types of talks with him. It was a real in depth conversation about performance review and how you can improve. And somehow that got to. How you can make more. Earn more.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's all.

[Joe Budden]

And then somehow that got to me asking him on some real. I said, real talk. Real talk. Off the record.

[Ish]

Don't you gonna bring me up if you do that. I ain't gonna do that if you do.

[Joe Budden]

I said, real talk. What you made last month. Like, honestly, he was hesitant, but after a second he told me, but shot right back. What'd you make this month? I mean, last month. And I told him.

[Ish]

And he said. And look what he said. He said, oh, the stuck. He gonna tell me he's gonna hold. He said, look at you. You stuck now. I said, no, no, I'm not stuck.

[Joe Budden]

You know, you ask that, you don't never believe they're gonna say something. He said that. I gave it to him. Fat bow. He was like stunned deep. He had to get off the phone. All so. You just got to be careful when you ask questions. Anyway, I lied to him, too.

[Ish]

No, you didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Ish]

For releases 2025 list of top 50 creators ranked by Earnings. Now I'm reading it. Why y n making fun yo audience.

[Joe Budden]

This is take four. This is take seven. No, it's not. This s has been him up.

[Ish]

See? Slow down.

[Joe Budden]

Not four.

[Ish]

Forbes. Yo, are y' all nuts?

[Joe Budden]

You wasn't saying Forbes.

[Ish]

I'm saying Forbes now releases 2025list.

[Melissa Ford]

He's just trying to ride with you.

[Ish]

Not laugh right now. Creators ranked by Earnest. Oh, y clap you. This is why they say that online.

[Joe Budden]

Do that.

[Ish]

I'm going fry you up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm about to peel off a Harlem night.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Ish]

You had a sunroof. Time to shave that off and go bald.

[Melissa Ford]

What you got go bald.

[Ish]

Stop holding on to your youth.

[Parks]

You got Winnebago.

[Ish]

Anyway, Mr. Beast is at number one. $85 million. Mr. Beast number one. I don't know who this other guy is.

[Parks]

What's his name?

[Ish]

Do you want me to read everybody joke?

[Joe Budden]

I don't trust that's Mr. Beast as far as I can throw that.

[Ish]

I could read the top ten. All right, number one. Mr. Beast, 85 million. Dhar Mann 56 million. Jake Paul 50 million. Rhett and Link 36 million. Alex Cooper 32 million. Charlie D' Amelo 23 million. Matt Rife. 50 million. Mark Rober. 25 million. Drew Ski. 14 million.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Kababy Lame. 20 million. Yeah.

[Parks]

That's the top ten.

[Ish]

Top ten. Yeah.

[Flip]

Do we think that's accurate?

[Ish]

Say it again.

[Flip]

Do we think that's accurate? It was, like, as a year. How much they made in a year?

[Ish]

Yeah. 20, 25 so far, I guess.

[Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Melissa Ford]

This is outside of my wheelhouse.

[Joe Budden]

Dude said so far. Made 8.

[Ish]

I mean, the other day, DDG. DDG showed he made 12 million at that last month.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, that's what I was gonna ask y' all, because I don't know this world. Like, how. How act, how accurate. 1. I know people just lie, but how trackable is this stuff? You know? Like, how do y' all trust these numbers?

[Ish]

Yeah, I do. I do. I mean, I watch.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I trust them somewhat with the names that they're attached to on this list.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Ish]

I do. I mean, when you see Twitch, like, Twitch breaks it down. You have to stream a lot and stream for a certain amount of hours. But Twitch also puts a lot of ads in it. It's some funny that I learned there's a lot of ads about, like, 30 ads within the video. So I don't know how that helps, but.

[Melissa Ford]

Can I ask you a question?

[Ish]

Sure.

[Melissa Ford]

Why don't you do that? I just feel like you got the. No, I'm not being funny. I feel like you got the Twitch. Yeah, like that long term, because you have an audience, you like to travel. Like, all the shit I watch all them guys do. Like, I feel like you could do it.

[Joe Budden]

They all look up to you, and.

[Ian]

The room is basically like a kind of one off.

[Melissa Ford]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it feels like you could do this and make million.

[Ish]

I'm not being.

[Melissa Ford]

There's no joke.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Melissa Ford]

So.

[Ish]

To be honest, I did something with Twitch before. A lot of times when I get in a situation, I just be transparent. I try to find a loophole, just like it was with caffeine. You know, I do a certain amount of hours, and then I try to do the double the hours in there. So I always try to find a loophole with Twitch. I mean, we're in talks. Shout out to. You know, I'm in talks now.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I want to say.

[Ish]

But I had took a break, and I want to just leave it that way.

[Melissa Ford]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't want to mess nothing up. I was genuinely. It just seemed like right up your alley.

[Ish]

I'm a loophole type. G guy. G. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Should we announce that? If you're in talks.

[Ian]

Well, anything to announce.

[Ish]

No.

[Ian]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you. You going to be you. If it's one person that don't want.

[Ian]

You to succeed, it's just the opposite.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, I didn't.

[Ian]

When he's ready to announce. Don't announce some premature.

[Melissa Ford]

No, but.

[Ish]

No but that's not true. Because if you wanted me to succeed, we would have did the content that we were supposed to do about doing yoga.

[Joe Budden]

Don't touch me.

[Ian]

I hit her today.

[Ish]

You talking about you wanted to call the owner.

[Ian]

I hit her this weekend, I did.

[Ish]

She trying to do that old school shit. Let me find out from the older figure you at the studio? Girl, I can pay for any studio.

[Ian]

Do you know how there's liabilities involved here? The liability is you being in the studio. He owns it. And if you get injured, or even I get injured, which I wouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you back doing skits with flip after the.

[Ish]

Not a skit. It's long form. Content corrected.

[Joe Budden]

You back to doing shit with flip after he dropped you on the van Wick? After y' all left the petting zoo.

[Ish]

She told me I was rude in the van wick. She said I was rude cuz I wouldn't have a conversation with her in the car while driving. She said that's rude.

[Ian]

It's true. We have discussed at length for a while now. Talking about the. The pilates video.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Ian]

You know, Ice, you said you'd do it. You do it with us too. Okay. All right. I'm still working on it.

[Joe Budden]

Back to this list.

[Ian]

All right, Back to the list.

[Ish]

You got more? You have more? You will read from us? Ish, please.

[Ian]

What are you guys seeing?

[Ish]

Cuz you like you're impressed?

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm. I am impressed.

[Erickson]

I'm very impressed.

[Parks]

You crazy.

[Joe Budden]

How could you not be that old list is impressive.

[Parks]

20, 25 numbers. We in June.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

So when we hear that the world is going broke or we may be going into a deficit and we see these numbers, man, it should be motivational, right? Independent. Being independent, you can still make it work.

[Parks]

Oh, you talking about Ms. Rachel? She number 20? 23 million.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna find out where Ms. Rachel is?

[Parks]

No, Corey told me she was on it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Cory's not on this broadcast.

[Ish]

I'm sorry, I'm make one of them lists one day.

[Joe Budden]

Of course, if anybody believes that it's me.

[Erickson]

I definitely see that.

[Ish]

You want to do the photo shoot with me when I make the list? No, like that when you did, when you made number one, you made number one on that list. And it said nobody was gonna make number one. But he knew he had a whole photo shoot and all he thought forgot.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody else used to work there but me. Nobody else woke up at five in the morning Monday through and went. Created the show.

[Ish]

I was just talking to you.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get culture shifting. Still being mimicked today. Nobody else did that but me. So why would somebody else get that call?

[Ish]

We don't. Don't get into your bag. Okay. God damn.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations to all of those. A lot of bread.

[Ish]

Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's a lot of. It's still reading. You ready to leave? Look.

[Parks]

It'S this girl I.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Parks]

I know you. This girl named Erica, she be on the thing. She be like. How did you know that? Erica told me on Instagram.

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Erickson]

She.

[Ian]

She's an attorney.

[Parks]

Is she like a former attorney?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

She on the list?

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

At what?

[Ian]

She's a contact.

[Joe Budden]

She's a. Just happening on the list.

[Parks]

She's number 34. She. She made 7 mil so far. 21 million followers. Engagement is 0.21.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Got it. Jesus. Again, congratulations to everybody that made that list. Everybody that is indulging in these life changing activities, shout out to the next.

[Erickson]

Group that's see the inspiration that's going to push them to make that list next time. That's fire.

[Joe Budden]

That shit's dope. That got to be inspiring watching all these people who was in their room or still in their room.

[Parks]

You speed.

[Joe Budden]

Make that type of money.

[Erickson]

Every time I see him, I just.

[Ish]

Be like, yeah, he goes through it.

[Parks]

He. Number 42. Who?

[Joe Budden]

Speed.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

How much? How much? How much?

[Ish]

20 million.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he's getting these numbers through the roof. Some of these people getting robbed. That's the Funny. Some of these numbers.

[Erickson]

Can't tell them that.

[Ish]

Rob. By who? Rob.

[Parks]

You can't tell them that.

[Joe Budden]

Not my place.

[Parks]

No, that's based on your. Yeah, your decade. But that's your decade of this business. You understand what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

That's how you. Yeah, it's not important. But yeah, again, shout out to all those people. That's. That's awesome. Super awesome. What. What else, what else do we have? What else do we have?

[Erickson]

Stephen A.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Stephen A. Desmond Bain. Let's start with Stephen A. Stephen A. Was playing. What was he playing?

[Ian]

Solitaire.

[Joe Budden]

Solitaire at the finals. The camera caught him. He's been getting dragged ever since. And I don't know where I stand on this, this is what I say.

[Melissa Ford]

You're supposed to be professional. You're paid to watch the game. You're paid handsomely to watch the game. You should watch the game. However, anybody who's ever worked in media knows that there's moments where you're completely locked in and there's moments where you're not. If people want to criticize him for playing solitaire, fine, whatever. But I don't want people to believe that he's doing something that's so far out of the realm of normal that we start to think that he's somehow a bad broadcast and everybody else is a good broadcast. I don't know any broadcast broadcaster who doesn't do that. I know people. We're watching breaking news on elections, we're watching breaking news on a bombing, a school shooting, whatever. People be on Instagram, TikTok, all those things I'm talking about at CNN, at Fox and MSNBC, playing, texting people, whatever, not paying attention to the breaking development. And also, finally, there's a way. It's like when you have kids and you can, you know, you can watch your kids and do something else at the exact same time. If Stephen A. Smith has been covering basketball for 40 years, you know what I mean? He's been a Temple, Sixers, NBA, all that. I guarantee you he can go flip, flop, flip, flop, flip with them cards and watch and watch a basketball game at the same time.

[Erickson]

It's like when your girl talking to you and babe, I'm joking, I'm joking.

[Joe Budden]

There's only one problem with that that would lead people to guesstimate or assume whether or not Stephen A. Can play solitaire and watch the game at the same time.

[Melissa Ford]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

This should be absolutely zero reason for people to have to assume this. One, two, this is the worst possible time to be caught playing solitaire. There's already a lot of talk.

[Melissa Ford]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

It is.

[Melissa Ford]

No. The worst would be the week before you sign that $100 million contract.

[Ian]

Facts.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. A week after you sign the second worst time. And that was my third point. But now a lot of the criticism that the Finals, that the Finals or the NBA is receiving, people are waking up. People are waking up and saying, yo, it's not just the product and how they roll that out, it's also with their licensed brand partners and how those people speak about the game. A lot of people are seeing that these people don't even watch the games. Like, you got independent commentators now on Instagram and you YouTube that are, that are coming up and making a rise because people feel like Shaq Barkley, Stephen A and a bunch of them just don't watch the games. And you can hear that in their commentary. So to see somebody playing solitaire during the NBA finals, a small market NBA finals, we need all hands on deck. We need everybody to at least look like you paying attention. Now. I agree with your media point too, because it's mad hurry up and wait. It's mad dead and dry spots. We. You should be doing something on your phone. That's not accounting for secondary media, which is just niggas with phones.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's just fans that are going to record you and put some shit out. If the podcasters and rappers and entertainers got to deal with it, he got to deal with it. Also lastly, to your point, you just signed a contract for one over $100 million dollars is being reported. You just signed another serious contract for X amount of dollars. Pays you $25 million annually. The suits are looking a lot cleaner. No solitaire. It's not a huge ask or. It's not a huge ask or privacy screen.

[Ian]

That too.

[Erickson]

If you gotta place.

[Melissa Ford]

That's the old man right there.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying? If you gotta do it and then it's gonna. And then the double down in it I thought was a little ill too.

[Melissa Ford]

Because the other underestimates the Internet. It's just like. It's just like Jack meets Singh. Right? Like, oh, I didn't enjoy Kendrick. Then you find he dancing at the wrong part. He said it was a timeout.

[Joe Budden]

Good example.

[Melissa Ford]

And then the fans know what I know. They zoomed back and was like, yeah, no, there was a play going on and you could see it. And I mean, he had to say something. Actually, he didn't have to say anything. What he should have just said was, I apologize for it. You know what I mean? I was fully locked into the game, but. But I apologize for appearing unprofessional the.

[Joe Budden]

Day before that or the day after that. Him and J. Will got into it because he got on there and said, well, the topic was on first take, if Greek freak doesn't win another championship, he's an underachiever. And J Will was highly offended. That was crazy.

[Melissa Ford]

As he should have been.

[Joe Budden]

And he kind of spoke to what some of the bad shock takes are doing to the game and how people vote view it. So I mean, it's just incidents in a row where it's like not the time when we're on our biggest stage. They just brought Back player introductions. You see them trying to self impose trophies on the like they trying in real time. We don't need our biggest and most recognizable commentator playing song.

[Ish]

How does that make you feel? How does that make you feel when you point something like that out and then they change in real time?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm not taking credit for that. I think a lot of people do that. A lot.

[Ish]

A lot of people said, well, I didn't hear. I don't watch sports. I heard you say it, but I didn't know that a lot of people.

[Joe Budden]

Saying that I said it. And I think that a lot of niggas listen to me. But a lot of people said that the way that you're presenting this. Damn this up.

[Parks]

Now what I took. They picked the wrong commentators for the game. Like I think they picked. It's Mike Breen, Doris Burton. Doris and Richard Jefferson. They don't do it. I love Doris Book. Huh?

[Melissa Ford]

I was gonna ask you who you would pick.

[Parks]

I like Doris Burke. You gotta have some comedy, you gotta have some personality. You gotta have a little bit of charisma.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Parks]

Remember Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy? Van Gundy, they bring comedy. They crack on each other at the games. They do. Like a lot of these games haven't been the most, most competitive throughout. Some of the portions like Indiana's up 20, OKC's up 20 during that time, people are getting lulled to sleep that are watching the game, be cutting it off only to find out the other team won the next day. Right. You need dialogue, you need commentary to engage the watchers and the listeners and they are not getting it done.

[Joe Budden]

And you need to not play solitaire when cameras are around.

[Ish]

When is Michael Jordan going to start the company commentary?

[Joe Budden]

But you're right, though. There's no hand down. Man down.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like Mike Green ain't even giving him a bang. Bang.

[Parks]

It's not. It ain't that like the is. I'm watching because I'm a basketball fan, but these are not keeping me intrigued.

[Ian]

Have they done any stats on like watch time or not? Well, not watch time. Like in terms of like percentage.

[Parks]

It's super Adam Silver. Just talking.

[Ian]

Honestly, I think the lowest we've seen watched finals in.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

In decades. I mean, it's bad. And I mean, I agree that the announcing will help, but ultimately if the players aren't there, people are. I mean, I'm wnba. Same thing. I literally bought the WNBA package last Tuesday. I think to watch Atlanta Snake, to watch Atlanta play Indiana, to watch Caitlin, to watch Caitlyn Yeah. To watch Indiana play Atlanta. And when I tuned after spending my money signing and doing all that shit, the moment I saw Caitlin wasn't there, she was hurt. She was hurt. And the game wasn't competitive. If it was competitive, I would've kept watching it. The game wasn't competitive. I turned it off. And ultimately, if the players aren't there and the games and the game's not competitive, it's a terrible mix. I don't think any announcer, I don't think Stephen, Nay, whatever, nothing can fix that. You know what I mean? I think that's. The NBA had a terrible bout of luck this year. You know, if you think about all the NBA finals in the 90s, ain't no rivalry here.

[Erickson]

Ain't no outside of the rivalry, outside of the Halliburton market, outside of the Halliburton story of all the players rating him overrated and now him making it this far. There's no story to this final. There's nothing. You said you watch it because you're a basketball fan. I think those are the only people that are really watching this finals right now are just the die hard, just fans of the sport.

[Parks]

I agree with you. I think that ultimately, I think the NBA is being greedy, and I think they doing a whole bunch of shit based on money and saving money in their bottom line. They fired a bunch of people that the public like, you know what I'm saying? Because they didn't want to pay him. And I think that's it. Coming back to Rooster.

[Joe Budden]

Let me get finals picks before we close from anybody, in case anybody's changed.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm still riding with Indiana. The odds aren't looking as good.

[Joe Budden]

I want the Pacers to win. It looks like the Thunder win.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm still riding with it. I'm still gonna take Indiana.

[Joe Budden]

They won 68 games.

[Flip]

I'm going back on my. Yeah. OKC.

[Joe Budden]

I want the Pacers to win.

[Parks]

I said OKC was going in the beginning, but I'm rooting for the Pacers.

[Joe Budden]

Pacers, yeah. I'm rooting for the Pacers.

[Parks]

I really want the paces to beat.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. Even though I'm happy for Sam Presti, who I just learned that was a fun find. They said they found Sam Presti's old rap slash blues album that he made.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And he's on the COVID Oh, I haven't heard it, but I know it's better than Three Stacks.

[Erickson]

Flute album, piano album was hard.

[Joe Budden]

Both of them. Oh, please fuck with the flute album. Ace Bailey is rumored to be shooting down draft boards.

[Melissa Ford]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

A projected top three pick now in some mock drafts is nowhere near the top three. And this is because he's missing workouts. He's refusing to interview with certain people. Please.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. He's dropping down draft boards. I'm as a 76er fan who. Yes. We're in the lottery. We have the number three spot. The big talk initially was, do we draft Ace Bailey? Do we draft the other kid from Rutgers?

[Joe Budden]

Harper.

[Melissa Ford]

Harper. And it was like Ace Bailey was kind of at the top of people's list at the beginning. Rumors came out that Bailey said he would not work out for the Sixers, and there were several other lottery teams that he would not work out. Some people in this camp have said that's not true. The Sixers have said that they were never refused. They were very careful with their words. They said he never refused to work out. Some of the rumblings are saying that he's asking for. He needs specific development plans or plans to make him a superstar in order for him. Like, what is your team's plan to make me a superstar before he goes to work out for them. I understand that some players have leverage, and I want players to exercise all the leverage they have. But this might be some old man, get off my lawn shit. But I'm just a little tired of doing these young kids who are unproven, who are not number one picks, who are not number two picks, coming out here, making all these demands. Demands before they even work out for a team. That's all I'm saying. And I'm worried that the kid is going to hurt his draft stock and lose far more money than he could have and maybe ruin a reputation, fair or unfair, for these kinds of demands. And I just don't like it. Just go work out for people and see what happens.

[Flip]

I think it's just a side effect of an same thing with the Shador in. In the. In that league. It's pushback from the league and it's overconfidence in the players. It's both kind of meeting ahead, and it's going to be a. A stalemate.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Broken.

[Parks]

Hungry no more.

[Joe Budden]

I just pulled up some of these mock drafts, dog. First of all, let me say that this draft is deep. This ain't really the one to play around in. Like, I wouldn't just be skipping a bunch of workouts.

[Ish]

Right? Right.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't the one that go for.

[Melissa Ford]

Number three to number eight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Because VJ Edgecomb Is nice. Short dude from Kansas is nice. But this mock draft I'm looking at and this dude is nice too. Con kn. The shooting dude, the big boy. Big white boy from Duke. They got him in the fourth slot. Mock drafts I saw had him at 9, 10 and 11. So I ain't nobody picking him over.

[Parks]

It's a lot of politics that come along with basketball. So Ace Bailey is close to me. Like I got personal information on Ace Bailey that his camp is my camp. So a lot of the politics in the sport.

[Melissa Ford]

Please just pause for a minute.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we got a boy.

[Melissa Ford]

I know. I have no doubt about that. But Joe, you see what the whole roommate. Now we all go. Okay, you know, continue, continue.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, because we know. We know the agent story. But they let you go. I thought.

[Parks]

I don't care what face they make.

[Melissa Ford]

I want to know what the.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but he about to be serious.

[Parks]

So. So you talking about niggas lives like we talking about some that could affect somebody getting a check.

[Joe Budden]

No, we just wanted to laugh at you.

[Ish]

Oh, that's saying that you said it was your camp. Like you a part of it.

[Parks]

So a lot of basketball be politics.

[Ish]

You left it alone.

[Parks]

I'm lost.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Parks]

A lot of the is politics. A lot of the be based on who represents you and what their. Who likes them.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You know what I'm saying? And so if you don't want to play by old boy rules, then the niggas would do their best chance to kill everything you got going on. I. E. Shador. Like it's get down or lay down. And a lot of times these people be having the ability to put out press stories, et cetera, et cetera, to make you look a certain way or to demonize you a certain way if you don't want to adhere to what they want you to do.

[Melissa Ford]

I'm going to say this. Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey, two lottery picks.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Melissa Ford]

They did not make the NCAA tournament. Okay, that is not a good sign. And so I think teams are already questioning certain things. We started with Ben Simmons with teams that have that much talent don't make the tournament.

[Parks]

You name two people.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I know. I'm naming two situations where very high pick has some questionable play, playoff success and people start questioning. I'm not criti. I don't. To be honest, I didn't watch enough college basketball to have an opinion on this. What I'm just talking about reputationally. I'm just saying that this is adding another layer to it. It might be. I'm not saying it's not political. I don't know. I don't know enough to know. But what I do know is skipping workouts is not a good sign when teams are already raising questions about your will to win and your leadership and whether you are a superstar. And I will also say I don't see too many times where too with two lottery picks don't make the, don't make the tournament and they turn out to be elite NBA players. This is my take.

[Parks]

You talking about 19 year old boys, bro. So when you start talking about somebody's leadership ability and you start talking about somebody's mentals again because you're an advocate of them stamping young black boys and when they stamp you, you never get away from that stamp. So I don't want to perpetuate some stereotypical thing about a kid that I know personally saying that they not manageable or that they got attitude issues or they got these other negative things and stereotypes that come across from with them because it carries them throughout the duration of their life. For that don't know them again.

[Erickson]

Let me, let me. So is he telling teams I'm not working out for you?

[Parks]

No, his representation is his representation and what they decide is what they decide. What I'm saying is you got to live in die with the choices that you make. But don't put that they have these behavioral issues or that they stubborn or that they not negotiable because those things like I said car carry you.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, I'm not saying that.

[Parks]

That's what they did to drop Shador from a first round draft pick to a fourth round pick.

[Melissa Ford]

Maybe he shouldn't have been a first round pick though.

[Parks]

You know he might not have. Yeah, not. I'm talking about the other.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but ain't nobody about to say that intangible things.

[Parks]

You get what I'm saying? You could go from.

[Melissa Ford]

They might say he's not a number three.

[Parks]

You could go from a third, third pick to a ninth pick. That might be 20, $30 million based on somebody spreading an untrue narrative about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but, but the best way to solve that would be to show up to the world.

[Parks]

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on it be having rational reasons why they don't do certain things when it comes to that.

[Melissa Ford]

Then they need to announce that. I don't know if you got a manageable. I don't know anything about Ace Bear.

[Joe Budden]

No, you can't announce that because that's going to look away to other teams.

[Parks]

Exactly. Kobe Bryant said yo, I'm not going to going to Charlotte. I'm not coming here. He said that I'm not going to Charlotte. Y' all gotta figure something out.

[Melissa Ford]

Well, it was a little more complicated than that. The Lakers had already wanted him.

[Parks]

Kobe Bryant said, I'm not going to Charlotte. I'm not playing.

[Melissa Ford]

He had already been told by the Lakers that they wanted to trade for him.

[Parks]

And you now know. And it's the thing a mad be getting told to these kids behind closed doors before days leading up to the draft, certain stories they release certain stories that they don't. Okay, so you saying that Kobe Bryant got told X, Y and Y and Z. They wanted you to know he got told that. I don't give a what happens back then somebody saying I'm not going to a team that picks me at number 14.

[Melissa Ford]

That was after they drafted me. Still worked out for them.

[Parks]

Never mind, bro.

[Melissa Ford]

No, just listen to what I'm saying.

[Parks]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the part where you are as a child making demands on me. Going or playing or not going to, whatever the case may be. Whether you saying, yo, I'm not gonna go work out for you or you saying you drafted me and I'm not playing for you. I think they in the same vein.

[Erickson]

I think they different.

[Melissa Ford]

I think they're different.

[Erickson]

I think they're different.

[Melissa Ford]

This is what I'm saying.

[Erickson]

One, I show up for everybody. Oh, you drafted me. I don't want to go there. This one I'm not showing up for you. You, you, you, you, you, you. Which could send a message to the other teams.

[Melissa Ford]

Right, Got it.

[Erickson]

That you are just hard to. Oh, you ain't even made it yet and you already said what you not going to do.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah, this is all I'm saying. I agree with you.

[Parks]

You haven't played an NBA game yet and you saying what you're not going to do. It's every kid's dream to go to the NBA, right. Just being drafted in the NBA is a zillion of one odds. So you get drafted as an 18 year old kid and you say, yo, I ain't playing for y' all. Fuck you talking about? I'm not playing for y' all. That sounds crazy, bro.

[Joe Budden]

It don't actually. The Bengals is going through that now.

[Parks]

That's my point. So to some that sounds insane. And to some people, they like, no, I want to take my career into my own hands with that Bengals.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even know that was a rule that that homeboy that Got drafted. And apparently if you don't like the team you got drafted to, you could re enter the draft next year. Yeah, the next year.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah. There's a whole big beef right now because the second round picks are trying to get guaranteed money.

[Joe Budden]

Goddamn right.

[Ian]

But what do you do during that year if you don't like the team? The drafts don't work out.

[Parks]

You stay healthy, you work out all year and get prepared for the next year.

[Joe Budden]

And then if you don't like the team that drafts you the second time, then you could sit out and come back as a. Just a undrafted preacher.

[Parks]

See, I think, I think, I think it's a fine line when we sit up here and we talk about, yo, I like for these people to take their futures into their own hands. Right? It's a really fine line.

[Flip]

It is.

[Parks]

Because you have to understand, my nigga, you are taking your future into your own hands. But also recognize that you are blessed.

[Ish]

But isn't there a way to do it? Yeah, isn't it?

[Parks]

Yes. But who determines what's the way?

[Ish]

The league. The people that you're trying to.

[Parks]

No, not the league. Because then we saying if we going by what's the league to people up here, Everybody up here preaches this independent thought and this break of establishment. Etc, Etc. Shador Sanders did it his way. Some do it their way. You got to live and die with the consequences.

[Melissa Ford]

And that's all I'm saying. That's it. This is all I'm saying.

[Parks]

But, but you sitting up here and you would started demonizing this kid. I'm not saying negative things about this kid.

[Melissa Ford]

I didn't demonize him. All right, what did I. No, no, hold on. What did I say to demonize him? What did I say negative about it? And I'm asking you what did I say? Negative. But it's cool generally because we had.

[Parks]

A conversation off mic too. But it's all right.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. And here's what I said. I said he's looking like this. I'm saying he's making a bad decision. We can disagree about the decisions making. Again, I don't know him. I don't know. He could be the greatest kid in the world. My fear is that by refusing to work out for the team, he's going to look ostracizing. Yeah. He's gonna look like he's not manageable and he's gonna look like. Like he's going to play into bad. Into certain narratives that are going to be used to justify dropping him. I'm not Saying he is those things. I'm saying it's a bad strategy. Just hear me out. Hear me out. I'm saying it is a bad strategy. And you ask is he actually refused? Yes, that's a fact. He's refusing to work out for certain teams.

[Erickson]

And I think that's bad.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. I just think it's a bad idea. Again, doesn't make him a bad kid. It might be the greatest outcome for him in the world. But I'm saying it doesn't work. The difference between. Between what he did and what Kobe did. And Kobe never actually refused to play for the Hornets. But what he did say is. But what he did say is I only want to play for the Lakers. He still worked out for the Hornets. Right. He still did all the things you're supposed to do. And then quietly behind the scenes after he was drafted. Oh, before. Really? His agents were working before he was drafted. Jerry west was working before he was drafted. Then immediately after the draft, they traded him. Right. Kashak also going to the Lakers. There was a whole bunch of things happening. But Kobe's team managed it in a way where Kobe didn't look like a bad guy, even if he still did his part. Right. That's all I'm saying. There's a way to manage this so that Ace Bailey doesn't look like he's just a stubborn kid who doesn't want to play. Because I think. And I think his team is doing him a disservice if they're the reason why he's not working out again. He might be the greatest kid in the world. I hope he is. I'm not demonizing. I just. I think that he. But I think he's just making a bad. I think it's a bad presentation for himself. That's all.

[Joe Budden]

I get Ish's passion because like you said, he's close to the family. Yeah. I don't see Ace Bailey fall into the 11th.

[Melissa Ford]

I see him going to five.

[Joe Budden]

I don't see Ace Bailey in a position where he's about to lose all these millions of dollars.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know.

[Parks]

Ace Bailey probably has the highest upside and damn near everybody in the draft.

[Melissa Ford]

I think so too. That's why I want him to go.

[Parks]

To the right place based on potential.

[Melissa Ford]

Totally.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Are part of the show tier. Well, 18 year old is some name Artorio. Okay.

[Parks]

Some what up?

[Joe Budden]

Something Artorio says. Yep.

[Flip]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

So y' all, listen. I gotta turn myself in this week and I'm not. And I'm not sure if they're gonna to keep me. Lame ass New Jersey bail reform. Do y' all hate it as much as I do? That was in parentheses. Anyways, Joe, how do you feel about Andy Milonakis not only being older than you but also having a more successful rap career than you? Hope they free me to hear the response. Big Jersey Love love. Always.

[Melissa Ford]

Always a Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Now I would love to know what jurisdiction you're in.

[Ish]

I know Andy Minila. I could hear the show on mtv.

[Joe Budden]

So I could call the jail myself and tell wow, hello. Tell them to keep you. I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, yeah, come on.

[Parks]

Talking about the sex of ignorance.

[Joe Budden]

Super ignorant. Oh the rest of these shits is mad long. Should I read one? Let's see. Craig Peace to the whole POD crew. Longtime listener here and in the day job I lead go to market for AI at one of the world's biggest tech companies. So I figured it's time to drop some insider intel for part of the show before the next wave hits harder than streaming ever did. First the label versus AI first fight Universal, Sony and Warner are negotiating to license their catalogs plus grab equity to generative music startups.

[Flip]

This is the Timberland conversation. Ultimately.

[Joe Budden]

Udo and Suno deals that would also wipe out billion dollar copyright suits. Business times yet the word artist never appeared. No reps, no splits, no approvals. So once again creators risk being spectators while models that can replace them. Not only distribute them, get built. Not just distribute them, get built. Here's what creators can do. Run every contact, every contract through chat, GPT, Claude or Gemini and redline future technologies and derivative work works loopholes pre clear samples of your own catalog so you can legally train a person model a personal model and rapid fire micro songs for tick tock slash shorts and bundle AI stems with merch, patreon tiers or even fan facing chatbots. So the upside stays in house. He's killing this second smoking Google Google deep minds deep minds is VO3 text to video model is already warping virality. It is quote unquote millions of videos generated in days, says CEO Sir Demis Hassabis. In parentheses it says the Neuron comma with historical slash bible times influencer skits blowing up so hard real influencers can now claim to be 100% AI for traffic. For scale. YouTube sees about 2.6 million uploads a day and TikTok about 34 million. But AI made clips, AI made clips could soon swamp both, meaning human made content will coexist in an ocean of synthetic Competition, the attention pie isn't getting bigger. AI is just slicing it thinner. So every artist and podcaster needs a strategy and maybe their own tools to keep audiences locked in. I know the POD has eyes on all industry smoke. This is the next Fire. So if you ever want a quick AI State of the Union. I can send fresh notes whenever you need, feed them, keep potting, keep creating, and keep the culture first. C.K. oakland, California.

[Flip]

Salute.

[Parks]

Fire.

[Joe Budden]

I'm hitting a round of applause for that.

[Flip]

The real thing that needs to happen is legislation. Like instead of. I mean, we also need to learn how to play with it. But there needs to be legislation on copyright infringement because that's all the AI is. It's. It's reinterpreting pre existing artistic works and that is illegal.

[Joe Budden]

I agree, but that's us begging, right? No, it sound like what he's saying.

[Flip]

The Constitution.

[Erickson]

Yeah. What he's saying is arm yourself and jump in here just in case.

[Flip]

That's why I said I think we have to do both. But there needs to be legislation and people like us with voices should be pushing for legislation to happen as opposed to just saying, oh, this is big and scary, or oh, this is the greatest thing. We can make millions of dollars off of it. There needs to be a change in the legislation. Legislation. It needs to be altered. I told copyright law needs to be amended for AI.

[Parks]

What happens when AI is at a point where it can just compile all this data and create something on its own?

[Flip]

It's still taking data from pre existing songs and creating new songs from it. It's still derivative work, but cool.

[Parks]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying, let's say it takes billions, literally billions of different data, right? And compile something from it. How do you now go to Washington and say, yo, this should get a payout initiative. Get a payout initiative. Get a payout initiation company.

[Flip]

I've spoke to AI companies. That's all traceable. This is. We're talking about data is the same way we talk about streams. Let me finish. All of the information is getting put in there is traceable. It can be traceable. They can figure out how to divvy up the money. Even if they don't do that, they can make some blanket licenses that cover creators in general. If your shit is being thrown in the pool, same way they do with ASCAP or BMI to break up performance.

[Parks]

Royalties, isn't that a little bit more definitive?

[Flip]

No. The performance royalty, when your song is played in the club, when it's played in a music stadium or whatever. It's all a big pool that gets divvied up by percentages. It's not necessarily accurate. 100% accurate. This was played over here. So you get 6 cents for that. This is played over here. No, they kind of divvied up by total streams. Same way streaming companies divvy up money. They're not.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[Flip]

When you press play on Apple music, on whatever a Drake song, it's not necessarily going the six cents going directly to that. When they show the little charts of breakdowns, you get 0.0001 cents. It's not necessarily per stream. It's a pool. They put everything together and divvied up by the numbers of everything being played. So you could do everything. Is data traceable. This is not the old days where it's like, oh, I don't know where these ideas came from. No, it's all in a machine. If the machine can do all these super complex algorithmic things, it can absolutely keep track of where the came from.

[Joe Budden]

We got to make sure to sign ish up to Parks's what do we do with AI course that he has.

[Flip]

I don't have those.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about? Conversation should get a course. I know, but it's a deep one.

[Parks]

Yeah, I think. I think it's scary. I think it's going to get beyond concept control. I think it's gonna get to a place where you can't control it.

[Flip]

And it's not just. It's not just music and art, by the way. It's. It's. It's light works. It's journalism. It's. It affects everyone. I think AI is amazing. I know a lot of people that are using it for really dope and I think it's. It's fine. But there needs to be a way for that pie to be divvied up. This guy that runs Sonos, who I've seen some interviews with, like saying the democratization of art and all that stuff is awesome.

[Melissa Ford]

But.

[Flip]

But it's not. If it's all just derivative work that's stealing from other people's. It should be. Everyone should make money off this. If your is getting.

[Parks]

Yeah, I just don't see how you could really generate income from it.

[Flip]

They're generating millions of dollars subscribers using it. It cost $20 a month to use open.

[Parks]

I'm talking about the artists, you guys.

[Joe Budden]

Can y' all please continue this conversation at another time?

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, sure. Did you send Parks your sleepers no. Yeah.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody needs to. Everybody.

[Melissa Ford]

We did it.

[Joe Budden]

You did it.

[Erickson]

I'm sending right now.

[Ish]

You mumbling. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going. Destin Conrad.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Destin Conrad. I think we highlighted this record here. Probably one of my favorite records off his project. We are going with Jumping.

[Mark]

Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm dumb maybe I'm ahead of it Maybe I got so much on my body and it's a lot of that I got to.

[Desmond Bain]

Lose But I'm moving the way I.

[Mark]

Like Some days I feel amazing Some days I want want to Some days.

[Joe Budden]

I want.

[Mark]

Some days.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I just.

[Mark]

Have my cheese and I'm all fatty.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe you bring me dreams to this.

[Mark]

Creep in the valley I'm in a friend or two bring your fighters we gonna throw the party say the word and I'm gonna make this.

[Joe Budden]

I been.

[Mark]

Feeling crazy my thought's been intrusive and I miss my baby you really trying to play me Feel like you hate me Before I walked in they were.

[Desmond Bain]

Standing still it's gonna be crazy when I made this.

[Joe Budden]

That's brand new music from Destin Conrad, friend of the show. That record is called Jumping on his debut project available in your phone and on DSPS right this second. So shout out to him.

[Erickson]

That was actually fun. That was fire Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Thanks, Freeze. Saying thanks like I made it. I'm saying thanks like I made it.

[Erickson]

Nah, it's a fire pick, though.

[Joe Budden]

Thanks, Freeze.

[Erickson]

I'm going going home team. I'm going big Jersey. I want to shout my brother arse out. He has a new. He got a whole new team. Yeah, he got a new team, new manager, new deal. So he's working on a new album and I'm just proud of him. So this is his new record. It's called Wasn't his Turn.

[Mark]

Hello.

[Desmond Bain]

Yeah, see this go around this shit personal on, man.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't even going to lie, man. This.

[Desmond Bain]

This all come from the heart.

[Melissa Ford]

You know?

[Desmond Bain]

I mean, they got my heart down. They gave him 30 years in that box.

[Joe Budden]

30 years.

[Desmond Bain]

X doing fair time nice on that state y' all tears I had to shed my itchy in that graveyard I'm still alive and free my life I asked mama to pray for it Never thought I'd be a gang member I grew up, up playing baseball Big homie camp from Salam he taught me by the eightball scene catch a body cops question now I'm Ray Charles I don't dice with you Seen what happened to take off Never scared to squabble up them hooks coming Like Nate dog backyard veteran police still questioning we don't got respect for them a shooter like Stephan them you all with pit bulls that dog what you stepping in My favorite two letters in the Alphabet is effing and it's all a truth swag proof we all up the score on the opps and made him call a truce how many niggas from your section could say hold on cuz I'm calling Snoop we bout to fly to Cali smoke some Cali and spend all this loot 2 door Tesla getting dick sucks while I charge the coupe her bestie won a threesome soon she saw me shorty call me cute my circle turned to a dot maybe nuts gave him all the boot Lil box on the Glock all the chops is on auto shoot I used to sell guns for real that's why they call me Arsenal for real though I used to sell guns for real that's why they call me Arsenal all crip been around the world I did a lot of I admit fell out with my dogs but never by the I don't trip never leave my house without grabbing my real op shot point blank ranger still miss, I still exist walked away without no blood on my fit without no smut on my name My Rolex still on my wrist Sold out of pills had got write another script out of the block I grab my passport and take another trip Shotgun Bonnie just touched the down the hood about to crack again them baby LS from Cali hit me I just got a package in I'm rich off these streets I ain't got a rap again these diamonds got my earlobe hanging like an African Now I got a spaz again state to state trafficking sold a lot of white girl I was pimping Meline shorty want to drive the boat said she don't do no paddling on LS app you'll die over gambling I never asked for nothing free always Kevin sucker free the hood know what's up with me My father ways is stuck in me never being no punishment it couldn't have no company Sneaking thoughts through the back door of the basement where she me been cripping since high school blood jumping me I watched some run for me now I'm living comfortably how to see some wild happen right in front of me Nothing that SUNY but that always stuck his ops want him to burn them street stripes he wanted to earn Got shot at point blank range they missed it wasn't his turn cops on the way and got his mother concerned Autumn life Lessons taught and ain't none of them learn It's a cold world Crip Been around the world I did a lot of I admit Fell out with my dogs but never bought a I don't trip never leave my house without grabbing my blick Real op shot point blank ranges still miss I still exist Walked away without no blood on my fit without no smut on my name My Rolex still on my wrist Sold out of pills Hacked out write another script I grabbed my passport and take another trip.

[Erickson]

And again that record is arson Wasn't his turn again. I'm very, very, very proud of you, bro. Shouts to your whole team over there. Luciano. Everybody.

[Melissa Ford]

Salute.

[Flip]

All right. I'm also going to Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Flip]

This is a. A Father's Day inspired record to a degree. This is Rasheed Chappelle and Mickey Blue. More time.

[Desmond Bain]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Desmond Bain]

I said a prayer for my dad in the moment that he passed Made his message find his spirit when he hid hope, he laughed Moments that we had fighting in the bickering I focus on the good How I choose to remember him Remembering staring at space watching Star Wars Big letters came on the screen Then the theme song Seems wrong right in this now you should be here Feels like yesterday is gone Going on three years buried and we said our goodbyes haven't cried yet Grieving takes as long as it needs Hard to process life just moving along Lost a part of me today that just don't hurt it's hard to see Hard to be smiling in crowds When I think about I wonder if I'm making you proud Hard to speak about the message that you left on my phone I still listen no matter who else moves on I still miss you thank you.

[Mark]

Grateful for each second Thankful for each second Grateful for each time Grateful for each time finally learn the lesson finally learn the less I wish we had more time Wish we had more time Thankful for each second Thankful for each second Grateful for each time Thankful for each die finally learn the lesson finally learn the lesson Now I wish we had more time Wish we had more.

[Desmond Bain]

Time Mama got a hole in her soul tonight you're hurting your death brought a closer I feel that's the purpose with all your flaws know that nobody's perfect Was trying to be as strong as I could at the service my first steps I was there for your last breath Hospital holding your hand saying thank you finally you out of this pain Let God take you Was bittersweet that night and get a bit of sleep Phone calls people you love gave their condolence had to be the shoulder to me cause I'm the oldest wish you and Otis on my first flight to Texas Staring at these pictures I can feel you in the presence but you gone somehow we got to carry on at 611 today he was carried home Every ray of light I try to carry on and my only regret and get you on a song and.

[Mark]

I'm thankful for each time Thankful for each time I am grateful for wherever he dies have more time.

[Flip]

That'S Rashid Chappelle and Mickey Blue featuring Danny Star Miles war time Happy Father's Day to anybody who no longer has their pops too man that's tough really sucks is.

[Parks]

I'm going to song is called letting you run It's Jack D and Tone Smith the toned stiff part.

[Melissa Ford]

We working.

[Mark]

On morning you can ride shy on the getaway driver switching gears we going to set the city on fire Even if we don't deserve this we could still be honest cuz I don't want to give up on love too soon and I don't want to let you walk out of this room if we go with we headed will fre it I will be mad at myself letting me let you on When I know there's something I could have done I'll be mad at myself for letting you run I would be mad at myself for letting me let you on When I know there's something I should have done I'll be mad mad at myself for letting you run I can't keep letting you run I can't keep letting you run I can't keep letting you.

[Ish]

Run.

[Mark]

Cuz I don't want to give up on love too soon I don't want to let you walk out in this if we go where we had it we regret it I would be mad at myself for letting you run I would be mad at myself for letting me let there something I should have done I be mad at myself for letting you run I can't keep letting you run I can't keep letting you run I can't keep letting you.

[Melissa Ford]

Run.

[Mark]

I can't keep letting my run I keep setting you up I keep setting you I don't want to give up on love too soon and I don't want to let you walk out of this moon if we go where we head it won't regret it.

[Flip]

As Jack Dine and Tone Stith letting you run Beautiful music right there. AI could never.

[Ian]

Where the fuck did everybody go? All right. Anywho, Mine is called California Rain by Sayamali.

[Mark]

With you I'm alone.

[Erickson]

I'll wait.

[Mark]

For you boy you like California? I know you'll take forever to give me one day it shouldn't take a miracle for you to stay does it have to be this way? You're in California this is love just set my world on fire Would you say sat afraid of Hollywood? California, I'm yours tonight I can take the st Just say.

[Joe Budden]

I'll wait for.

[Mark]

You but you like California I know you'll take forever but to give me one day it shouldn't take a miracle for you to stay doesn't have to be this way yeah California.

[Flip]

That is California rain by Siam Ali what you got for us, Mark?

[Melissa Ford]

Since we've been kicking Wayne back in for the last few weeks, trying to show him some love here. One of the bonus tracks we talked.

[Joe Budden]

About a little bit earlier.

[Melissa Ford]

Ice mentioned it real quick, but one of the bonus tracks from the album is Mama don't Worry, a Lil Wayne with featuring Future and Lil Baby.

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Mama don't worry I got my pistol I'm getting my dollar you birthed a.

[Melissa Ford]

Rene told my daddy don't be sorry.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna blame you if it.

[Melissa Ford]

Went for struggle my dreams they went.

[Joe Budden]

Came true oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah oh yeah.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Told mama don't worry you know you raise a hard body Granny Carter of the day say don't scratch cause God got you I'm.

[Desmond Bain]

Gonna change this paper every day I.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T doing no stopping trying to stuff.

[Desmond Bain]

These cash in my jeans I'm so.

[Joe Budden]

Full package all the times you gave.

[Ish]

Your last I can't forget that division.

[Joe Budden]

Notice on the door we was hiding.

[Desmond Bain]

From the rent man ain't never letting.

[Joe Budden]

None slide I was tired to get.

[Desmond Bain]

My lip back Hit hard, move solid.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T got time for all that chitchat even though I feel like you and they got mad love for my dad no hard feelings I ain't never cry about nothing they ain't have growing up inside of poverty that have had you.

[Parks]

Mad going to school without no new.

[Joe Budden]

Shoes that should have turned you back to security with my mom mama I know she got her p for I give a anything I'mma take care of my sisters we ain't writing no more bad my little boy don't know about private and my auntie them they straight now it ain't too much for to worry about I promise mama don't worry I got my pills stuff I don't get my dollar you birthed a rene told my daddy don't be sorry I'm not gonna blame you if it weren't for struggle My dreams they weren't came true oh yeah, oh yeah Told mama don't worry I'll be just fine angel watch over my shoulder like a umpire.

[Ish]

I could get in the with these.

[Desmond Bain]

Punchlines like I'm a captain in this.

[Joe Budden]

Crunch time skip the lunch line gotta.

[Desmond Bain]

Eat more than sometime I done time.

[Joe Budden]

So I think everyone one time color.

[Desmond Bain]

Blind to the sunshine I rather moonshine told the team I don't care who shine as long as you shine Keep a California dumb blind with a boob.

[Joe Budden]

Job Rather give me a blow job than get a new job Too high the out of them we woo stop got you all in check like a swoosh sign told my daddy I don't.

[Ish]

Blame you neither claim you you was.

[Desmond Bain]

Never in the picture Somebody framed you Mine bought my first pistol brought me.

[Ish]

To the rain suit since the day.

[Desmond Bain]

I could walk I've been on the.

[Joe Budden]

Same I got my p.

[Mark]

It I'm not going to blame you if it.

[Joe Budden]

Were for struggle My dreams they were.

[Flip]

As mama don't worry. Lil Wayne, future and little baby and yes. That was the best way we've gotten.

[Joe Budden]

By far in a while.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So salute. It's still there. It's still there.

[Erickson]

And that, that was the point.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Erickson]

It's still there. He can still do it. He just needs the right environments, right people around them.

[Flip]

That's right.

[Melissa Ford]

But I need something without features. I'd love a couple drop bonus tracks without any features. I know.

[Flip]

We're back.

[Ish]

Yeah, we bike issue a protester now, gang.

[Mark]

What was that?

[Erickson]

Not at all.

[Ish]

Did you tell Joe you was going to protest?

[Erickson]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

Did you say some slick shit off mic that you're not bold enough to say? Say on mic, you say so that's a new question.

[Ish]

That's a good question.

[Joe Budden]

Did you say something? I'm on a new question. I'm on a new question.

[Ish]

Well, you all say slick on like though.

[Joe Budden]

No, but it say like I played this little slap I was looking for outro record. Hey, I got to close the window.

[Erickson]

Before I record cuz New York don't.

[Joe Budden]

Know how to be quiet.

[Ish]

Good man. You little wrecking girl.

[Joe Budden]

So then Ish looked to Ice and said, from what I heard from this far away anyway.

[Erickson]

Okay, I'll tell you if you're correct.

[Joe Budden]

Ish looked at Ice and said, yo, could you write this? That is.

[Erickson]

That is what he said.

[Joe Budden]

Ice very promptly said, no, no. Ish didn't say nothing. But I was so befuddled by the question, I asked him if he thought he could write this and he did not answer. He just did his resting ish face at me. So I'll ask again while the mics is on to see if he got the kahuna. See if he's. If he got sufficient kahunas. Do you think that you could do that?

[Parks]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

You know they like. That's right. That's cower.

[Ish]

Build a house in the dirt, baby.

[Joe Budden]

Why you ask me if I could do it, Colin? Coward.

[Ish]

Cow.

[Joe Budden]

Nick calling coward Nick.

[Melissa Ford]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, no, you ain't got to play with your kicks. Well, we about to end it. You can play with your sneakers all day. Men is talking to you. Me and Ice is asking you something. Cuz you had a lot of slick off the mic to say or not say.

[Ish]

He's yo, he.

[Joe Budden]

So could you write it?

[Ish]

You going to be a stubborn ass grandpa?

[Parks]

Is that what I'm doing?

[Ish]

If you ignore the kids or just sit up here. We want you to speak to us.

[Joe Budden]

About what we asking you this Put the pretending pretentious. Is that what I do? I swear to God. Can you write this or nayo?

[Parks]

Nope, I can't. I answered you already.

[Joe Budden]

That's right. But tuck it.

[Parks]

Tuck what?

[Joe Budden]

Your dick. Why?

[Melissa Ford]

Jesus.

[Parks]

I'm not a rapper.

[Joe Budden]

But if you were, you'd be Nipsey.

[Erickson]

But I'm not a rapper.

[Joe Budden]

So why you thought that?

[Erickson]

That's what I want to know.

[Parks]

I was asking you a question.

[Erickson]

Nah, the words ain't even dropped yet. The beat came on and you just like, yo, you could write that.

[Parks]

Yeah, I was asking it.

[Joe Budden]

Don't think it's hard to rap.

[Parks]

I was asking you a question.

[Joe Budden]

Itch don't think it's tough to rap. He don't.

[Parks]

I can't ask you a question.

[Erickson]

Of course you can. That's what we're here for.

[Ish]

He think it's easy to rap.

[Parks]

Got you.

[Joe Budden]

I want to speak for him. My opinion is. I'm not. I'm not saying that I don't think Ish thinks it's very difficult to rap.

[Erickson]

No, I think. I think. And again, I won't speak for me. I think is his. His style of hip hop that he likes.

[Ish]

I said is more.

[Erickson]

No, it's more. It's more lyrical.

[Ish]

More lyrics.

[Erickson]

So when you hear something that's a little bit more.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so I take it back. I think Ish thinks that the simpler raps are easy.

[Erickson]

Yes, I think he.

[Ish]

But he's right here. Why we speaking for the cuz he.

[Joe Budden]

Want to play with his sneakers and fix his muffin shirt and be cute. Cool. Be cute. We'll do it.

[Ish]

No, but how can you say that? Cuz when he. Earlier when we played the Pusha T record, he was like, the beat is fire. But what he's saying wasn't. No, he didn't say that.

[Joe Budden]

He might be a tough critic, but.

[Melissa Ford]

He wasn't moved by the song. He didn't say, like, the rap was easy to write. Like, he might have thought it was complicated to write and still just not like the song.

[Erickson]

Bro, if you see somebody do something and then I look at somebody, somebody who don't do it at all and say, yo, you could do that.

[Melissa Ford]

No, no, I feel that that's an implication.

[Parks]

That's simple.

[Erickson]

Or that's easy to do.

[Ish]

Who the you think you.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I hear that sometimes is what they are. Coogee down to the socks, like a big pop, baby.

[Ish]

Stop picking your clothes in front of us.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe that sound easy. That ain't. That ain't easy. Yeah, I just want to tell people listening me pound any.

[Ish]

Anyway, stop picking your clothes like we talking about you.

[Joe Budden]

Like who the you stop cleaning your sneakers when we talking to you. Yo, when I turn 45, you can't do that to me no more. It's gonna end different for you.

[Erickson]

Do what?

[Joe Budden]

Honestly, when I talk to you, maybe freeze is something different when I talk. He making me.

[Erickson]

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna slide one of you.

[Joe Budden]

You probably do it after I slide him there. He's going to the ground.

[Ish]

A triangulation slide.

[Melissa Ford]

He going, no dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

When I turn 45.

[Ish]

Lovely.

[Parks]

How many months you got to go?

[Ish]

He got a fifth.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what month we at?

[Ian]

We're in the June, two, three months.

[Parks]

Hurry up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, hurry up. You going down there with the mopping glow. And where you going to be? You going down standing up, looking over you helping you up, yo. See, now you learned your lesson. Pitch it up. Now you learned. Don't do that again. Don't do that again.

[Parks]

I know you better change the way you hold your hands and your stance. Cuz if you do this, you be doing night night.

[Joe Budden]

That's night night to who?

[Erickson]

When you throw him up here.

[Joe Budden]

Antoine. Antoine Huxtable.

[Melissa Ford]

This is getting interesting.

[Parks]

Antoine, you keep high.

[Melissa Ford]

Boxing mat. His leg get better. Why don't y' all do a little one on one?

[Joe Budden]

His leg got hurt from a finger roll he shot.

[Erickson]

Getting engaged.

[Joe Budden]

Talk to them, Nick. Yo, I'M tell. I love you, yo. I love you too much. Me and you've been through too much. So I ain't going. I ain't going to do it to you. But a certain respect level I think you, I mean, belongs with. I take mine September 1st. Don't worry about it. September 1st, what you take? September 1st. I'll be 45. August 31st. All right. Yeah, August 31st I'll be 45. And I hate to slide a 50 year old, but some be asking me.

[Parks]

I ain't 50 yet, so you won't got to feel bad.

[Joe Budden]

How old are you?

[Parks]

49.

[Joe Budden]

Good boy.

[Ish]

I'm talking about.

[Melissa Ford]

I don't know. My money on ish. If you give ish3 solid. What? How long you need to get your leg right?

[Parks]

Bro, I'm not even.

[Erickson]

Is your leg right, Will? Your leg right will be right.

[Joe Budden]

I took money from Mark before. It was more money. Your money on ish?

[Melissa Ford]

Nigga, it's easy money. Easy money.

[Ian]

Are you doing rehab? Like physical therapy?

[Melissa Ford]

He do everything. Okay, so that's what I'm saying.

[Ian]

I'd say by September he'll be straight.

[Melissa Ford]

I'd say the end of the day.

[Erickson]

And if you slide him quick, he ain't really got a.

[Joe Budden]

He think cuz he stop eating sugar, he stopped being sweet. That's the problem. He think cuz he stop eating sugar, he stopped being sweet. I don't see him like them urban Jersey City look at them like that.

[Parks]

You don't go to Jersey City.

[Joe Budden]

Don't look at them like that.

[Parks]

You ain't from Jersey City.

[Joe Budden]

Jersey City don't look at them like nothing like that.

[Melissa Ford]

And they do.

[Joe Budden]

Is he talking about.

[Parks]

And they do, though.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't been here in a while. And where Jersey City. Not with. Not with that pink car.

[Parks]

I've been there more recent than.

[Joe Budden]

You not in that pink car.

[Parks]

I been there more recently.

[Joe Budden]

You not in that pink car. Yeah, all right. That shot that up. I was just on ocean. I gave him the weapon.

[Parks]

I was just on ocean.

[Joe Budden]

You was just in a ocean?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

You wasn't on no J.

[Erickson]

You ain't been to Jersey City?

[Joe Budden]

Jersey City been to you.

[Ish]

That old got these lines since Jersey said have been to you.

[Parks]

I'm just saying. Yeah, you can go around here with a new up.

[Joe Budden]

New.

[Ish]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Gentrification.

[Parks]

You go around here.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you don't tell a he go around here. You laughing. That's up, Slide. Both of y' all.

[Erickson]

You're not gonna show.

[Parks]

Slide where?

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Erickson]

The only slide you're doing is Cha Cha Electric.

[Joe Budden]

All right, now we'll be outside of Mr. East. That's it. I'm sorry.

[Parks]

Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

That's a bad spot for you to try to show. Sorry.

[Parks]

Don'T drive fast enough for you.

[Joe Budden]

To be outside Mr. East Place Games. Now I gotta happen on your birthday. Okay, you wearing your good chain or your pod chain? Are you wearing your good chain on your podcast, the one that you be talking inside the house. You wearing that one. I dare you say you wearing that one.

[Erickson]

I will have that on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then I'mma have it on. Yeah, you gonna be with us any club we in at the same time. I ain't with y' all. You didn't need an ice to get into Chris Brown, your cousin show. Watch your mouth when you talk to me.

[Parks]

Y got money. I could have bought the tickets.

[Joe Budden]

But you didn't.

[Parks]

I know. Why would I buy them if I.

[Joe Budden]

Just got the Travis two sets of tickets? Oh, what you say?

[Parks]

I just got you two sets of tickets.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I didn't use them. I know I didn't use those. I know I didn't go to the night y' all went to a little public for public night.

[Parks]

I know you went for a public night.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't go to general public night.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Parks]

You went to Vipina?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's okay.

[Parks]

You went to VIP Night.

[Melissa Ford]

It's okay.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't go.

[Erickson]

I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't go to Yalls night.

[Parks]

You came to your living room. You went to the Barclays.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't go to you all night.

[Melissa Ford]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

That's all I'm saying.

[Parks]

You don't like Jersey?

[Erickson]

Oh, Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

I got the key to Jersey.

[Melissa Ford]

What?

[Erickson]

What? Jersey?

[Joe Budden]

Newark, Irvington, Jersey City.

[Erickson]

They changed them. They changed them.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, but I didn't change the key. They changed, but I. I didn't change the key.

[Parks]

It ain't a mask.

[Joe Budden]

He don't mean. But I didn't change the key.

[Erickson]

Take the key over there and see what happens.

[Joe Budden]

Take that key over there. See if he unlocks.

[Parks]

I got a street.

[Erickson]

Got a space card. I have a street key.

[Parks]

I'm on the number blocks every day.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you in my face? You said you on a number block.

[Parks]

You won't even go to Duncan. And they revitalize Duncan.

[Joe Budden]

No, I know. I know you won't no get caught.

[Parks]

Walking back there in the dark if you want.

[Joe Budden]

All right. You got this. You the number streets. Yeah.

[Parks]

They'd be like, ain't that mouse?

[Joe Budden]

All you hear is chats Then what?

[Ish]

No. Leave her alone. Leave her alone.

[Joe Budden]

Her alone.

[Ish]

Leave her alone.

[Ian]

Alone.

[Ish]

Leave her alone. Keep your phone in your pocket.

[Joe Budden]

Leave her alone.

[Ish]

Yo, she didn't mean it.

[Erickson]

Cleaned it up. She didn't mean it.

[Ish]

He had his phone right there like this.

[Joe Budden]

Let it be the 1v2 or the 1v1. I mean, discount you. I mean.

[Erickson]

There we go.

[Joe Budden]

Y so stupid, man.

[Erickson]

I hate y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid, though. Flip said studs can't wear makeup.

[Ish]

They can't. They don't usually. They don't usually. I'm telling. My homegirl told me.

[Ian]

Was that up for discussion on Patreon? Oh, got it, got it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right. He said that. I was like, oh, that he is hilarious.

[Ish]

But wait, they don't wear makeup like that. I know.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, man, this was a good.

[Ish]

I can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

This is a great part.

[Ish]

Beat that part.

[Joe Budden]

We don't have to offend nobody else.

[Ish]

Please.

[Joe Budden]

We don't have to offend nobody else. We did it. Listen, man, hopefully y' all have enjoyed this podcast as much as we have enjoyed delivering it to you. If you have not save your tweets. We'll be back. We'll be back.

[Erickson]

Y' all will be back.

[Joe Budden]

Same time, same place. Nobody's leaving. Nobody's getting fired. I know. The adsense check. The think pieces. Oh, who's suspended? Hey, we'll be back. Same time, same place, same game. They be going crazy in there. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there until ship do. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to. We need to be there until the next time. Time we bid you a due farewell. Adios. Arrivederchi. Hasta la vista Arvois. So long. A bio. Sometimes a simple head knob will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Juneteenth. Juneteenth. Juneteenth.

[Ish]

Juneteenth.

[Joe Budden]

Coming up, Juneteenth. Four hours pass, nobody said nothing. But we pro black Juneteenth.

[Erickson]

And that's my boy.

[Joe Budden]

Juneteenth. Wait, what?

[Erickson]

No, I'm not saying.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I thought. I have a different.

[Erickson]

I have a different hierarchy of that day.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Erickson]

That's all.

[Joe Budden]

Where'd it go? Your birthday? Cinco de Mayo?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Then June. Deliberation of black Columbus Day.

[Ian]

You got plans?

[Joe Budden]

July 4th?

[Ian]

I got plans.

[Joe Budden]

Christmas. I just got mad.

[Melissa Ford]

No flag.

[Joe Budden]

I see what you're doing.

[Ish]

Yeah. Easter Bunny.

[Parks]

This is important.

[Melissa Ford]

Shout out to Ice for his birthday. Yo, if you're in Houston on Juneteenth, Houston is having a great Juneteenth celebration. I'll be there 5pm make sure y' all come through. The city of Houston. That's something. I don't have it off the top of my head, but the city of Houston. Juneteenth celebration.

[Ian]

Got it.

[Melissa Ford]

You'll know where it is.

[Joe Budden]

Trying to link.

[Ian]

I'm just saying, if you want everybody to come out, you kind of got to give them a location.

[Melissa Ford]

Yeah. If you in Houston, you know, it's a city. Houston, Juneteenth. It's a citywide celebration. I just don't know the exact location.

[Joe Budden]

They know if they. They don't worry.

[Erickson]

It's a big deal out there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What you got going on for Juneteenth?

[Ian]

I feel like you might already know, Mel.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know nothing you can do outside of that. Yo, when you not sitting next to me, I don't. Not only don't I know, I don't give up what you do outside of this job. Why would I know that? But I want to know.

[Ian]

But I want to know because you're nosy, and you know a lot of shit that you shouldn't know, and that's why I said that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I don't.

[Ian]

Sometimes information just comes to you whether you want it.

[Ish]

All right, so what do you do with your truth?

[Ian]

I'm just. I'll be in the neighborhood, you know?

[Ish]

What neighborhood? All right, what neighborhood, Mr. Rogers?

[Ian]

This neighborhood.

[Melissa Ford]

Good.

[Ian]

There's an event happening.

[Joe Budden]

You going life after?

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They booked you.

[Ian]

They did not.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Ish]

Oh, God, I hate when this happens.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when this happens.

[Ish]

Listen, No, I really.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when this.

[Ish]

My God, man. Remember the other day? Sorry, we went downstairs when she. No, you got. She be doing some wild shit here. Yo, this lady is different. She made. She made friends. Remember? Ish. She went to the other side of the building in the elevator. I said, where you. Where you going? They said, yo, come upstairs.

[Ian]

I'd be knowing people I know.

[Joe Budden]

How. No, you don't.

[Ian]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Mel. What are you doing on Juneteenth?

[Ian]

I will be in the neighborhood.

[Ish]

Just tell us.

[Ian]

Life after doing what? Hanging out with everybody else.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

What. What event?

[Ian]

Yeah, they're doing an event.

[Joe Budden]

Party.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma ask you one last time before I find out on my own. He'll call that this is my very last and I'm doing it on air. Please, man. So I'm gonna ask you for the last time. Time. What are you doing in life after.

[Ian]

There'S an event happening there?

[Ish]

Okay, what's the name of that?

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry about it.

[Ian]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I tried it your way.

[Parks]

Never. I'm not getting it all out of trouble.

[Ish]

I ain't going to blow it up. Put me on. I promise you're not going to blow it up.

[Ian]

You're so mean.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know why we got to do this the long way, man.

[Melissa Ford]

Oh, can I see?

[Joe Budden]

No, it passes away first.

[Ish]

Yo, get my phone, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, get out. Oh. This is Joe Button. This is Joe Button.

[Parks]

Take the rat train, my nigga.

[Joe Budden]

This is Joe Button from the Joe Button podcast. I'm live on air. Don't say nothing incriminating for you and your beautiful family. How are you doing? All right, I got. What's up? How are you doing, O? I'm good, Joe. What's going on? Do you. Do you happen to have an event at. At your beautiful establishment on Juneteenth? Yes. Can you tell me about it? Cuz I asked a few of my codes and they were tight lipped about it. Pause. Nah. I got Laroise Hawkins here on June.

[Erickson]

19Th doing spoken word.

[Ish]

Butterfly.

[Joe Budden]

Butterfly.

[Melissa Ford]

Chicago PD fame. Oh, I heard of him.

[Erickson]

We all did.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Melissa Ford]

Hello.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you are a good brother.

[Ish]

Yeah, good.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to O, one of my favorite people I've met recently. And thank you for letting me know that you got Laroise Hawkins of Chicago PD coming to do some spoken word at your.

[Erickson]

You got to say your name.

[Joe Budden]

We said it already. Oh, oh, we ain't gonna do that to you. Life after. And it's the freebie. The first one is free. That's why I love you. See you soon.

[Melissa Ford]

Appreciate you, bro. It's good to meet. I met you on Friday. All right. Don't matter. I met him on Friday. I say I was going to thank you for the. For the hospitality. I was just about to thank the brother for the hospitality. I went there, had a great time there.

[Ish]

No, it was a great restaurant.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so now let's try this U turn time.

[Ish]

Girl, you don't know your lesson, Girl. Didn't that post some? Girl, I, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Ish]

You know what? You got to learn.

[Joe Budden]

Learn what?

[Ish]

Let the go.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[Ish]

Everything. No, everything free and good.

[Ian]

Okay?

[Ish]

Everything's free and good.

[Ian]

You guys have had your fun.

[Ish]

Everything from McDonald's ain't good.

[Ian]

Had your fun. Okay. You guys have had your.

[Ish]

Stop with the freebie.

[Ian]

Sit the down.

[Ish]

You my sister.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ian]

No, don't touch me.

[Ish]

Lift every voice and sing. God damn it. Go to church, big. My mama would have slapped you a long time ago. You going back to have your fun.

[Joe Budden]

Roy Wilkins.

[Ian]

Go ahead, have your fun.

[Ish]

Go ahead, talk to her.

[Joe Budden]

For what?

[Ian]

He doesn't need to talk to me about.

[Ish]

Put me in my place, man.

[Ian]

He does not need to talk.

[Melissa Ford]

Beautiful spot, wonderful restaurant, great food. Had a great time there.

[Ish]

You. I ain't gonna lie, man. They can't with you.

[Parks]

Yo, what's wrong with you?

[Ish]

Can't get too far. Look, I saw what the other did.

[Joe Budden]

He did a.

[Ish]

He did a little crawl rabbit on the floor. The Michael Jackson craw.

[Ian]

I'mma break your was practicing for football.

[Ish]

On Patreon over there. Stupid money. You got them all coming.

[Ian]

Oh, my God, thank you.

[Joe Budden]

We're ending this podcast after the Hook me Hype. Stop.

[Erickson]

I got to update that song.

[Ish]

Please stop. Don't look at me and give me hype.

[Erickson]

It's a little different. If your girl knew she not. She going to do some other.

[Joe Budden]

Good thing. Mel does not have six brothers.

[Ish]

Them. What?

[Joe Budden]

That's not true, Patronis. I mean. I mean, everybody. The free. The free. Hopefully y' all enjoyed this. Yada, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, you don't even make it tough, though. No, no, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about, like when you get away, like you're supposed to act now. I got plans that night. I don't know.

[Ish]

She run like this.

[Joe Budden]

She be right there.

[Ish]

She like, no, don't chase me.

[Joe Budden]

She be at the. The airport.

[Ish]

She run in place. Don't chase me.

[Joe Budden]

She picking him up.

[Ish]

You want to hold a car?

[Ian]

Don't touch me.

[Joe Budden]

Don't touch her. I like that. No, you should be.

[Ian]

What you should be.

[Joe Budden]

I seem to.