Episode 840 | "Howard the Coward"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 840: "Howard the Coward"

Release Date: July 5, 2025
Host/Author: The Joe Budden Network
Description: Tune into Joe Budden and his friends. Follow along the crazy adventures of these very random friends.

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1. Introduction and Setting the Tone (00:00 - 02:00)

In the opening moments, Joe Budden introduces the episode with a playful yet assertive tone, emphasizing the theme of “Protecting My Peace.” The hosts briefly banter among themselves, setting a casual and engaging atmosphere for the listeners.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Budden (00:39): “This is the Protect My Peace episode. I am protecting my peace.”

2. Accountability and Admitting Mistakes (02:00 - 05:00)

The conversation swiftly moves to the importance of accountability within the podcasting sphere. Joe Budden expresses a desire to innovate the way podcasters handle admitting faults, aiming to foster a culture of honesty and self-reflection.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden (02:00): “Accountability. It's this new thing I'm trying.”
• Ish (02:00): “Accountability.”

3. Main Discussion: Puff’s Trial and Verdict (05:00 - 36:00)

The core of the episode revolves around the highly publicized trial of the rapper Puff Daddy (referred to as Puff). The hosts dissect the jury’s verdict, which found Puff not guilty on several charges, including RICO and sex trafficking.

Key Points:

• Jury's Decision: The hosts analyze how the jury navigated the complexities of the case, noting that while Puff was acquitted of major charges, some lesser ones stood.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Parks (06:10): “I was wrong. Big wrong.”
  • Joe Budden (05:00): “They got it right because there's no mandatory minimum.”

• Legal Strategies: Discussion on the prosecution’s use of RICO charges and the defense’s portrayal of Puff as a manipulative figure.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Joe Budden (16:15): “You can't call seven years after that and be like, yo, I got this little joint.”

• Societal Implications: The hosts debate the broader societal impacts of the verdict, questioning whether justice was truly served and how it reflects on the legal system’s handling of high-profile cases.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Corey (31:05): “I feel like justice was served.”
  • Parks (33:08): “We don't have to do that. We don't have to.”

4. Sentencing and Legal Implications (36:00 - 58:00)

Post-verdict, the discussion shifts to potential sentencing outcomes and the legal nuances surrounding Puff’s case. The hosts speculate on possible probation terms and the challenges of holding high-profile individuals accountable.

Key Points:

• Sentencing Predictions: The hosts predict that Puff might receive probation, given his clean record and the nature of the charges he was convicted of.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Flip (34:43): “They got it right because there's no mandatory minimum.”
  • Parks (34:31): “They gave him time served. He served a year, go home.”

• Civil Lawsuits: Exploration of whether Puff could pursue civil action against the state for misconduct during his trial.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Joe Budden (25:44): “They don't even know what they mean. They know what they mean because they read it up.”

5. Media Influence and Public Perception (58:00 - 84:00)

The hosts delve into the role of media in shaping public opinion regarding Puff’s case. They critique how media narratives can influence societal perceptions of guilt or innocence, especially in cases involving celebrities.

Key Points:

• Media’s Role: Criticism of how media coverage can create biased opinions before and after verdicts, often sensationalizing aspects of trials.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Mel (38:15): “This is an indictment on our society and what we find entertaining.”

• Public Sympathy and Stigma: Discussion on the stigma attached to victims of domestic violence and how public figures can obscure these issues through their actions and media portrayal.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Mel (36:43): “It's a Reflection of the bloodlust that we have for gladiator games.”

6. First World Problems and Light Banter (84:00 - 110:00)

Transitioning from heavy topics, the hosts engage in a segment discussing "First World Problems," where they humorously share minor inconveniences and everyday frustrations, providing a lighter contrast to the earlier discussions.

Key Points:

• Common Grievances: Topics range from missing phone chargers to not securing reservations at favorite restaurants.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Mel (98:09): “I hate when I don't have a phone charger. That just pisses me off.”
  • Parks (98:07): “I got to see one first class seat on a flight.”

• Banter and Humor: The hosts joke about misunderstandings and cultural references, maintaining an entertaining and relatable dialogue.

7. Music and Cultural Discussions (110:00 - 137:00)

The conversation shifts to music industry topics, including performances, artist collaborations, and the evolution of rap music. The hosts reflect on how different music genres and artist behaviors influence cultural perceptions.

Key Points:

• Artist Performances: Discussion on recent music releases and live performances, with shout-outs to emerging artists and collaborations.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Joe Budden (137:14): “Shout out to Westside Gun on his collaboration with Sakone.”

• Cultural Shifts: Analysis of how rap and hip-hop have evolved, addressing changes in lyrical content and public reception.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Joe Budden (141:35): “But you couldn’t just ask him.”

8. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (137:00 - End)

As the episode nears its end, the hosts wrap up their discussions, reflecting on societal issues, personal experiences, and upcoming topics. The conversation maintains its dynamic and engaging nature right up until the conclusion.

Key Points:

• Justice and Rehabilitation: Final thoughts on the justice system’s ability to rehabilitate versus penalize, especially concerning high-profile cases like Puff’s.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Corey (147:30): “I don't think the prison can ever hold people accountable.”

• Encouragement and Sign-Off: The hosts encourage listeners to stay safe, enjoy their holidays, and look forward to future episodes.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Joe Budden (178:27): “We love each and every one of y'all out there. We'll be back. Same time, same place, next week, God willing.”

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Conclusion

Episode 840 of "The Joe Budden Podcast" offers a multifaceted discussion that spans serious legal analysis of Puff’s trial verdict, media influence on public perception, insights into accountability within podcasting, and lighter segments addressing everyday frustrations. The hosts engage in thoughtful dialogue, interspersed with humor and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with both depth and entertainment.

Key Takeaways:

• Accountability Matters: Emphasizing the importance of admitting mistakes and fostering accountability within media and personal interactions.
• Justice System Critique: A critical view of the legal strategies employed in high-profile cases and the role of media in shaping narratives.
• Societal Reflections: Insights into how societal values and media consumption reflect and influence public perceptions of justice and victimhood.
• Balancing Heavy and Light Topics: The ability to navigate between serious discussions and humorous banter, maintaining listener engagement throughout.

This comprehensive episode serves both as an informative analysis of a significant legal case and as an entertaining exploration of everyday issues, embodying the eclectic and candid nature of "The Joe Budden Podcast."

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own.

[Mel]

Enjoy the show right now.

[Flip]

Oh, look, she taking my toys. She got my toy.

[Ish]

She's stressed out.

[Flip]

She stressed, all right.

[Joe Budden]

No. This is the Protect My Peace episode. I am protecting my peace. I know that's right. Now let me put the headphones on so I can hear any and all slight subs and shots I didn't hear. Huh?

[Parks]

Shot.

[Joe Budden]

This episode got a root?

[Parks]

I don't know, but nah, I ain't gonna be no shots.

[Joe Budden]

This is something I just want to protect.

[Parks]

Everybody in a good mood.

[Ish]

Still fireworks in the fourth?

[Parks]

Nah.

[Ish]

On the jvp.

[Parks]

Nah, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody in a good mood.

[Ish]

I think so.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All right, y' all looking like y'.

[Parks]

All got somewhere to be.

[Flip]

Can we have fun? Old and grumpy.

[Parks]

You got your new shoes on. You like you got somewhere to be, too.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Got it. It's true.

[Parks]

Now get something new.

[Joe Budden]

They got to show it real quick. They not new, but I mean.

[Parks]

I mean, you know.

[Ish]

New to us.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, there we go. There you go. Many things are new to you guys. I know.

[Parks]

What? Oh, seven times already, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Freeze. You just said we was gonna have a nice time. We just said we just gonna have a good time. And your very next statement, you leave me dead in the street.

[Flip]

No, you.

[Parks]

I said niggas looking like they got somewhere to be. And then you, everybody, you could have just let it go.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. I'm wrong.

[Parks]

There we go.

[Ish]

Accountability.

[Joe Budden]

It's this new thing I'm trying.

[Ish]

Accountability.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I'm about to change the pod game, cuz. Nobody does it.

[Ish]

No one admits their role.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody does it. In podcast world. I'm about to change it up. You know what? Freeze. I'm wrong. My man. Shit don't even sound right on the bottom. Yo, if the keep being wrong, what the fuck I want to listen to him about? Or at least admitting to being wrong. Whatever. Double down on the wrong. Yeah, I want to hear that guy. I ain't going to hold you, Mel. When was the last time you were wrong?

[Mel]

About five minutes.

[Joe Budden]

Big Mel.

[Mel]

Five minutes ago.

[Joe Budden]

What happened five minutes ago?

[Mel]

Girl, five minutes ago. I did not know that Flip was already here, so I started talking shit about how he does what he wants. And he was out there on the balcony.

[Flip]

You know the sad part about that?

[Mel]

And I said I was sorry.

[Flip]

Nah, I don't care about that sorry. The sad part about that whole thing is that it's like I'm like a slave to you. I come out, I defend you. You know, especially behind the scenes. I champion for you. And when you not here, when you wasn't here, I'm like, yo, man, what's up with Mel? I pull niggas to the side where my sister at. And as soon as you think I'm just sitting right there minding my business, talking to my tax guy on the phone, and I walk in, you in the midst of kicking my back in, man.

[Mel]

Sorry, I was wrong.

[Flip]

I don't accept she was wrong.

[Mel]

Okay, well, I mean, you don't have to.

[Flip]

Okay?

[Mel]

You don't have to. I just. I did an. It was an outward acknowledgement of me being wrong and apologizing, but you do not have to accept. That is your prerogative.

[Flip]

Thank you, Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Mm. Hey. Ish. When was the last time you were wrong? Why is this such a funny question?

[Parks]

Because he's not gonna answer it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, yo.

[Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

This is the year for you, I'm telling you.

[Ish]

Hey, what if he said the world?

[Joe Budden]

This little thing that you do.

[Parks]

Trying to think of the last time I was wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this. Yeah.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

It's act like every question is some Neil DeGrasse. Nah, nah, gotcha instead.

[Parks]

That's what I do, right? It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Did you come up with it?

[Parks]

No, I'm trying to think.

[Joe Budden]

It's probably a while ago. Damn, this is tough.

[Flip]

Yeah, he unrolled.

[Parks]

Smart nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Right here.

[Flip]

All you gotta do is say yes.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Joe, you stumped me with that. Damn me wrong. I.

[Parks]

Look, it's about 92.

[Joe Budden]

Third grade. Nah, I was right on 92. Damn, it's escaping me. You can't figure out in no area in your life.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[Joe Budden]

And just before we cut the mics on, we was having to talk. Where?

[Parks]

Oh, when I said that, I.

[Joe Budden]

We can't talk about that one though. Yeah, yeah, that's too wrong.

[Flip]

Yeah, he be forgetting in real time. We just. I don't know, we'll talk about it later.

[Parks]

I thought you're talking about the topic that I gave Mel to put on the board. Well, yeah, that turned out to be fake.

[Flip]

The 37 plastic surgery joint.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

We'Ve all been gotten by cocks horses.

[Flip]

Well, that's different from you than us.

[Joe Budden]

We don't.

[Flip]

I mean, let me be respectful.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead. That's a crime. I know that's a crime that you're doing.

[Flip]

I shut up instantly.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, Mel Frog. Little crime loop. Crime traps.

[Flip]

She throw it up crime. And I grab it every time.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta hop over them shits.

[Flip]

Last time.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[Flip]

Last time you was wrong. Freeze.

[Parks]

I was wrong. The other day, I said some shit.

[Joe Budden]

That just wasn't right, that's all. I can't go into detail. I was wrong. Big wrong.

[Parks]

My bad, babe. You was right.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, one of those. That's the worst when you're wrong to your girl and you gotta acknowledge it. But when he knew you was right.

[Parks]

Though, in the moment.

[Joe Budden]

You lucky you ain't got none of those. Thank God.

[Parks]

Oh, no, I get them sometimes. Just saying. I can't remember nothing that happened in a while.

[Joe Budden]

I tell you one thing, I better not see you on another podcast. If I see you on a podcast, the rest of this year, we thumping. I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm just telling you what it is.

[Parks]

All it's like, let my foot get well.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord. Before you still off on me. This mother. I don't care if it's kids. All them shits you be doing the Prom Boys.

[Ish]

Prom Boys podcast, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Cause he'll do any pod.

[Parks]

I'll do anybody.

[Joe Budden]

That nigga, the Plant Store pod. Oh, shit. Yo, my uncle used to be a planter.

[Parks]

You know, I always had a green thumb. Green thumb.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. All right. That's me. All right, all right, all right, all right.

[Parks]

What's happening right now?

[Joe Budden]

What's happening right now?

[Parks]

What's happening right now?

[Ish]

I think you're looking for some words of wisdom.

[Joe Budden]

Here we go.

[Parks]

All he gets is a year.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

I killed you myself, bitch. I should have killed you myself, bitch. See, that's the difference between you and me. Don't get mad.

[Joe Budden]

Tito.

[Parks]

Tito, it's the law. Sucks, huh? Yeah, well, this is over with. Maybe you could come work for me, Bad boy.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't even got to count the money.

[Corey]

Mike Shank 12.

[Joe Budden]

Mike Shank 12 12. Happy 5th of July out there. What the fuck is going on? Shout out to wherever you might be listening from.

[Parks]

Last train of Patty.

[Joe Budden]

Big Jersey, New York City. What up, what up, what up?

[Flip]

Maybach Music it go.

[Parks]

I'm a photographer's dream Count Cream as my chain swing Mac 11 for the.

[Joe Budden]

Things that the days bring I'm at the Jetta getting money Yeah, I chase everybody in the car right now. What up, what up, what up?

[Parks]

In my saline I rock jewels like my niggas in the 18.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody out of town right now. A lean my wrist a list automobile Ageless bezel lit up like a billboard out in Vegas. You can't be serious.

[Parks]

Baby, you know I'm on top five. But continue to the most high.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, boy.

[Parks]

And there's even in the bot.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, boy. The last train. Shout out to the patronies out whole Philadelphia, what up, what up, whole dmv. What up, Carolinas, what up, Chicago? What's going on out there? Again, Wherever you might be listening from, we got a great show lined up for you today. So happy to be here. God is good.

[Mel]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Shout to all the parents out there, all the children out there.

[Flip]

Time is running now.

[Joe Budden]

Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Yes, sir. Everybody outside. Everybody get something to eat. Everybody at a picnic right now. Every time I close my eyes. Wake up feeling so horny. I can't get you out of my mind.

[Parks]

Sexy will be all I see.

[Joe Budden]

I will give any thanks just to make you understand me.

[Parks]

I don't give a damn about nothing.

[Joe Budden]

You and a girl right now. Let me hear you. If you were the sundress out there. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Who's ready to rock? Who's ready to rock? Yo, who was they trying to say in that patreon when we brought up Casey? Who did? Oh, yes. Yo, don't do that again. Don't do that again.

[Mel]

Still a little bit of a fight.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you went on tour with Cisco. No. All right, man. Y' all know what the first topic is, Man, I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna. Hold it up. Let's go. Let's go, man. Way to play. No games. Hey, mystical master. Gotta say the quiet part out loud, man. The elephant in the room. What you say?

[Flip]

He took his publisher, too.

[Joe Budden]

Who did?

[Flip]

Living la vida loca.

[Joe Budden]

Living la.

[Flip]

I didn't know they could do that. I thought. I thought.

[Ish]

I don't know if that's true.

[Flip]

Google it right now.

[Ish]

I will.

[Parks]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

Up.40 it up right now.

[Ish]

A majority. Not all of it.

[Corey]

Okay, got you.

[Ish]

Majority.

[Flip]

How many? 70.

[Ish]

They didn't say specifically.

[Mel]

He cracked them just for that one.

[Flip]

Cracked them. I thought. I thought it was for the. I thought it was supposed to be for the beat, but I didn't know if you say something. But then I learned because Trinidad James did the same thing, right?

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If y' all have ever been to a party. When this song comes on, you got. Are being extremely disrespectful with this Trinidad James talk right now. I'm sorry.

[Flip]

What we doing is I.

[Joe Budden]

Watch.

[Flip]

Watch this.

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing, man. All right, we got a great show. Line up. Come on. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. Shout out to niggas first. Baby moms, man. I met my baby moms on this record. He. All right, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Let's get to it let's get to it. Let's get to it. Oh, then the little drum right when they start doing.

[Ish]

I think Cisco should try to get his lick back. I think Cisco should try to get his lick back on that Living the Vita Loca.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Ish]

What shouldn't be significant. Maybe have to give a little piece, but maybe 15%.

[Flip]

It is shocking. I do agree. Pause.

[Ish]

It's a phrase.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

My phrase. It's easy to say in 20, 25.

[Mel]

But was it his phrase? Like, did he make.

[Ish]

Oh, I don't know. I don't think so.

[Mel]

Like, wasn't it like a.

[Flip]

A guy that he wrote the phrase with? What's his guy name? Ricky Martin.

[Joe Budden]

Dog. Thong song came out in 97, 98. No, like 2,099. I was with that for a while as a teenager. Damn, my bad. 19 and 20. All right, so that mean that fucking Ricky Martin came out in 96. Dog. Stop it. And you know what? That's a smash. You can't call seven years after that and be like, yo, I got this little joint, and I'm using the main part of your.

[Parks]

You ain't even call.

[Ish]

No, he put it out. That's why he got scraped.

[Parks]

That's why.

[Ish]

That's why you got scraped.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you're done. Yeah, you're done. And you. Why would they do that on Def Jam?

[Ish]

I think they probably felt like. I feel like it's minimal. It's a phrase. It's not. It's not like you took a whole line. You took a phrase.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you can't.

[Ish]

Living a crazy life is not like a.

[Parks]

Living a crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Say that. Living a crazy life. He should have said that.

[Parks]

He didn't say living, Mr. Translator. He said living la vida loca.

[Ish]

Still just a phrase.

[Mel]

I'm just trying to. He did. He coined the phrase. Or did it exist before him? I feel like it did, and he just made a song off of it.

[Joe Budden]

You cool with stealing on America's birthday?

[Mel]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

It's American pastime.

[Mel]

Exactly.

[Parks]

America got stolen.

[Joe Budden]

America's 249th birthday. You're cool with. You're cool with that?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

You think that's wise?

[Parks]

The founding principles for which.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is it?

[Ish]

This 840.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. We've been killing the eights. I ain't.

[Ish]

Yeah, we flying right through.

[Joe Budden]

These eight's been kind of fire.

[Ish]

Yeah, we'll confirm. We'll confirm. 840.

[Corey]

Indeed.

[Joe Budden]

I was.

[Ish]

I mean, I said it a second ago.

[Joe Budden]

I was wrong.

[Parks]

I was wrong.

[Joe Budden]

I was wrong. Welcome to episode 840 of the Joe Button podcast, brought to you by Powered by a few by Prize Picks Prize picks. Gang, I'm your humble, grateful, gracious yada, yada yada. It's a holiday. I'm in vacay mode. You know who I am. I said it enough. The gang is here. Mel is here. Flip is here. It's just here. Ice is here. Parks is here. Poe is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. I think I saw Keeb and Ian. I think Savon and Tanner are working today. I wouldn't know. I need to check up on who's working.

[Ish]

I believe they are. I believe they are.

[Joe Budden]

I got a couple contractors ain't spoke to me about a year and a half. I'm gonna call you. I'mma check up on that house. Some down there just do what the.

[Corey]

They want to do.

[Joe Budden]

Flip.

[Parks]

Told you to have a grill out here. What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Y.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

There is no grill out there as you guys can see.

[Parks]

But it's supposed to be flip.

[Ish]

We can Amazon one real quick. Probably it get drop the right over.

[Joe Budden]

I thought about the grill, but you guys kept making it seem like y' all wanted to be in and out of here and like y' all had had things to do, so.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't gonna go slavery. Oh, so you wanted to be lit all day and we'll get into you, Miss Molly.

[Mel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You definitely want to be lit all fucking day in between breaks.

[Joe Budden]

I could have burger.

[Ish]

It's like the new Year's of the summer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm sorry I let you guys.

[Mel]

Down a little bit. An excuse to eat like shit, drink a lot.

[Ish]

That's right.

[Mel]

You know, get fucked up.

[Flip]

Well, you can make it up to us later on, so.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Flip]

We believe in you.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

We'll see you guys. All right.

[Flip]

We good, man.

[Parks]

I'm good.

[Flip]

Excited about. Excited about the 4th, man. That's it. You know, you're trying to be efficient. Trying to be, you know. That did it. What you excited about that did it. Should you be letting slide? Like when we get quiet? None today? I'mma talk instantly as soon as we get quiet. Yeah. Hey, everybody up. You gonna break out a song, be getting quiet like this? No.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all got. Y' all got four plants.

[Flip]

Yeah. Family. I want to see family today.

[Parks]

We're gonna hit some cookouts later. Yeah.

[Mel]

Cook out.

[Ish]

I want to end up on a rooftop somewhere. That's my. My New York tradition. On the 4th and up, some rooftop, eating and drinking, watching the fireworks.

[Joe Budden]

Nice.

[Parks]

And you in Queens.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

So they show that side.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Oh, that's fire.

[Joe Budden]

They get a good view.

[Parks]

That's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't have anything plan. I ain't doing nothing at all.

[Flip]

In the grave, you're not doing nothing at all?

[Joe Budden]

No. Nothing playing.

[Flip]

You going outside?

[Ish]

I'm sure someone gonna hit you at.

[Flip]

Some point during the pie.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Ish]

Cooking out.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we'll see. We'll see. If not, it's fine. I stayed out mad late the other night. Came home like 4:30.

[Ish]

Oh, you was outside? Outside, Outside.

[Flip]

What you doing? What?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

What you doing? G, you back. I'm happy you back like that. Oh, what you doing? Boy.

[Joe Budden]

He'S so stupid.

[Flip]

4:30.

[Joe Budden]

My girl was tight.

[Flip]

You turned your location off. You took the location. Look, you put this on airplane mode.

[Parks]

Airplane mode at the club. 4:30.

[Joe Budden]

Something. Fuck it. Fuck it. Yeah.

[Parks]

How that convo go?

[Joe Budden]

Yolo.

[Parks]

How that convo go the next day, though?

[Joe Budden]

What combo?

[Parks]

Oh, got it.

[Flip]

Is it the next day?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Parks]

Yeah, I forgot the mics on.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'll ask you.

[Flip]

Did she hit you?

[Joe Budden]

There we go. Were you wrong?

[Parks]

Yeah. Taiwano.

[Flip]

That's a lot of questions.

[Joe Budden]

Don't nobody want their part now. Having fun and coming in not till four. That's too much fun.

[Ish]

That's too much fun.

[Joe Budden]

And if that's out of character for you, then what was going on that night that made you want to have a good night?

[Flip]

So does she hit you in real time? Like. Like you got home at 4:34 and.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think it.

[Ish]

Wait.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I don't want my.

[Ish]

Don't incriminate yourself.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to start so early with my views on things, but if you in a relationship, I don't really see why you coming in at five in the morning. Four in the morning. Agreed. Yeah. I just don't think it's wise. It's still not wise. It's not wise for sure. Really? Not wise if your name ain't on the lease, too.

[Flip]

I try to pull that same move.

[Parks]

Lock be changed out this morning.

[Flip]

Yeah, my wife tell me, like, if I come home 5 o', clock, she woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep. Concerned like, yo, dog, yo, yo, can.

[Joe Budden]

We wake that up, girl? Can we wake that up?

[Flip]

Steve, you got work? I'm good. I'm okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, she up all night. She talk about something. Yo, yo, I texted you uas. I must have been having fun. Yeah, not even thinking about how I was having it for the moment. Listen, my phone was lost that strippers had to help me find. Where y' all see my phone? This girl will find a reason to be awake if I'm out. Yeah. Oh, you know, my stomach was hurting.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you know, I got a bad migraine and it's not the field. My period. Every girl's got all this figure all of this, this.

[Ish]

I had a dream just so happened that it happened today.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. They just won't say, yo, I'm up because you out and I'm on my stalking.

[Ish]

And that made me mad.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I told my wife the same, like, girl, enough. You got to go to work. And then on top of that, you going to blame me? I'm out handling business, you're going to blame me that while you're tired at work, go to sleep, take a Tylenol pm. It works.

[Joe Budden]

Don't work. Yeah. This motherfucker. You know, I have been having trouble sleeping for weeks. And I know you ain't buying no Melatonin either. Magnesium. You ain't got that bedroom got that zquil right there. Magnesium. Get it done, spray it on the feet.

[Flip]

You know the crazy thing about it, though, if it was the other way.

[Mel]

Around, I was about to say, my.

[Flip]

Wife, stay out, nigga, till 11:30pm get the shoes.

[Mel]

You got kids, girl? Barefoot girl.

[Corey]

You got kids?

[Flip]

You out at 11:30. Where are you? You got children now? Jr's big. I start making shit up. We need some food in the house.

[Joe Budden]

Nico had a nightmare. Where were you? You out past 11, ho? Yo, why don't you act like a lady? That's crazy. Have some fucking self respect for yourself. And you representing me. Yeah, same line, gotta pour it on.

[Parks]

That's the one right there.

[Joe Budden]

This motherfucker will not go to bed. And if she go to bed, her little piss alarm clock is set to when I should be leaving the strip club. Oh, you know, you know, you notice the time I Get up to pee, girl. Piss alarm. Yeah, girls got that, too when they sneaking around, doing some. Oh, I was up peeing. You was up doing that shit. You know what you be doing? Peeking.

[Ish]

Women's intuition.

[Joe Budden]

Wasn't peeing. You was peeking.

[Parks]

That's crazy women's intuition.

[Joe Budden]

I looked at my girl dead in the middle of an argument one time and was like, I'mma check the cameras and see what you're doing when I'm sleep. And then they weren't working no more. Right.

[Ish]

Mysterious power outage.

[Parks]

Cameras is broke.

[Joe Budden]

No. Then she was offended I said something like that to her. And then I took a walk and felt bad that I said something like that. Then I apologize.

[Flip]

Well, I said that, too. What's wrong about that?

[Joe Budden]

You can't say that to your fucking partner.

[Flip]

They're not going outside. I'm just talking about. If you're going through my phone. That's what I'm. That was. That was.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I was saying.

[Flip]

That's not rude.

[Joe Budden]

You can't.

[Parks]

You can't.

[Flip]

If you ain't got no proof, you can't. It's illegal to go through somebody's phone. That's number one. Number two, it's not rude to say, hey, yo, there's some things missing. This was here. Some things were moved around, and when I fell asleep. Things are not in this place.

[Joe Budden]

You cannot tell your partner that you are checking the camera system to see what they're doing while you sleep and think that you're gonna have a good week, is all I'm saying. True.

[Flip]

But I do. I prefer for you to be honest with me. Yo, hey, while you were sleeping, I went through this, and I did this.

[Joe Budden]

And I did that.

[Flip]

I would prefer that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God.

[Flip]

If you don't do that, that means you lied or you omit it.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Flip]

So then I'm gonna do the same thing. I play a game like that, boy, I don't care.

[Mel]

Okay, so, like, question for the married guys.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Flip]

So any one. Are you talking to him? Talk to the white guy.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Mel]

Well, no, I want to ask both.

[Ish]

Of you, but there's some pretty close to married guys.

[Parks]

No, no, no. She said the married guys.

[Joe Budden]

The married guys. I can't speak to that. I've never been married. I've only proposed. It's a different level of commitment.

[Flip]

Propose twice, boy.

[Joe Budden]

It's a different level. Don't try to downplay proposal.

[Mel]

Okay, so what's the question?

[Joe Budden]

I ain't proposed by the law. Like, I can't.

[Flip]

You got a body Your next proposal. You mean you set the box on.

[Mel]

You're gonna have to skydive off of something, like, you know, in front of her with a parachute on your knee.

[Flip]

Got to.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm gonna just leave the proposal in my phone one day.

[Ish]

Under a girl name.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire.

[Flip]

That's fire. That's good.

[Ish]

Just put a text with Jessica. Text with Jessica.

[Joe Budden]

That's Fire.

[Parks]

Yo, that's funny.

[Ish]

Gotcha, baby.

[Parks]

That is hilarious.

[Corey]

What you got?

[Parks]

That is funny, man.

[Flip]

What you was gonna ask, Mel?

[Mel]

I was gonna ask, like, as. As married men are, like, in a. You know, in a marriage, is your phone off limits to your partner?

[Ish]

We don't do that. Play that game.

[Mel]

So she can pick up your phone whenever she wants.

[Ish]

I mean, I let her pick up my phone, but if she's snooping. We don't snoop through each other's phones. But, like, I'll pass her the phone to look some shit up or if her phone's dead or whatever. Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Ish]

I'm paranoid about my phone.

[Mel]

Okay. Okay.

[Flip]

I do the same thing.

[Mel]

I.

[Ish]

But we don't speak through each other.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mel]

I don't like my wife.

[Flip]

Even when she picks up, like. Like, she doesn't like to go. If I tell her, go get my wallet, she doesn't go into my pants to get my wallet.

[Ish]

She same thing with, like, purses and all that.

[Parks]

She brings.

[Flip]

She brings my pants to me. I don't know what that's about. I don't know. I don't know where that came from, but she does that.

[Parks]

Go through the Cash app.

[Corey]

All right, so what advice do you.

[Parks]

Give to people in relationships? Yo, I ain't gonna lie. In relationships. Let me see y' all right now. Yo, I'm gonna talk to the fellas, yo. Go through her phone game.

[Joe Budden]

And when you go through a phone, really go through that.

[Parks]

Go through the Cash app, all of it. Go through the Zel history. Go through the Bluetooth, see how many.

[Joe Budden]

She been in cars with.

[Parks]

You see BMW fans. I'm telling you. Go through the deleted messages. Go through the Uber Eats, the addresses in the Uber Eats.

[Joe Budden]

Clean that out.

[Parks]

Uber Eats. I'm telling y. I'mma save Y. I'm saving money and saving happiness, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I swear to God.

[Parks]

Like, I'm really giving it to. Like, I'm really showing y' all how to get right.

[Joe Budden]

Go through that phone. Gang, you saying it's everything.

[Parks]

Word, my mother.

[Flip]

What about for the female?

[Parks]

Yo, for the female, yo, just trust him. Look, if he black, he don't cheat. Black men don't cheat, by the way. So if he black, yo, he's not. And just trust him. Just listen to what he say. Don't talk over him. Never talk on your ladies. If y' all out there, don't talk over your.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do it. All right?

[Parks]

And listen, saying sorry cost zero dollars and zero cents, yo. Having accountability cost zero dollars.

[Joe Budden]

Zero cents.

[Ish]

That part, though, yo.

[Parks]

Giving a head cost zero dollars, lady.

[Ish]

Yeah, that part, too, kind of cooked a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Hopefully that was able to help. Help. It was super helpful. What's up? What's up? What's up, y'?

[Mel]

All?

[Joe Budden]

Y' all running from it. What's up?

[Flip]

We not running from it. You know, I was. I was there in real time.

[Joe Budden]

You and jlx.

[Flip]

I was there in real time. I went. You know, I was in the overflow room, man.

[Parks]

You spray baby oil on you?

[Flip]

Nah.

[Parks]

You quit.

[Flip]

Never, never, never. But the puff trial, The Puff verdict. Yeah, Puff verdict came down, man. The biggest charge, the RICO charge, He was found not guilty, Right?

[Mel]

Rico and sex trafficking. Found not guilty.

[Flip]

And then what was he found guilty on?

[Mel]

The transportation for the purpose of prostitution.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Ish]

We called that one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you did.

[Flip]

Yeah, he did. How do we feel?

[Mel]

Well, wait, first, describe what was the energy in the overflow?

[Flip]

Okay, so when he. When?

[Mel]

Cause we saw some footage outside the courtroom.

[Flip]

When the verdict came down, outside erupted. I mean, they went crazy. The people were hugging each other. Some people were crying. I didn't know what was going on. That's what I saw outside. And also when I arrived, they were having a baby oil off, like, pouring baby oil on each other and dancing. This guy named.

[Parks]

So they did that before the verdict got.

[Flip]

No, the verdict came down, and they started to do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Okay.

[Flip]

And then the next.

[Ish]

Was there a Walgreens close by, or did they just brought that?

[Corey]

They bought that?

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah. You know.

[Ish]

And you didn't.

[Flip]

No, I'm not. Come on, Parks. I'm not throwing no baby oil, man.

[Ish]

I'm queens, Flip.

[Joe Budden]

I want to do it, but I.

[Flip]

Also represent the jbp.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Flip]

So I'm not going out there throwing baby all on my body and doing that. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, that's what I saw when I got there. Then my mom took me inside, and, yeah, when he got denied bail, the overflow room was like. Oh, they was like.

[Ish]

They put the baby oil back down.

[Flip]

Yeah, they was angry.

[Joe Budden]

It was angry. Well, how do. How do we feel about the verdict? How do we feel about the decision made by a jury of his peers?

[Ish]

I think that's right.

[Flip]

Yeah. I feel like justice was served. I could say that now. I feel like, you know, based off the evidence and stuff like that, based off of the facts that they presented, it wasn't a RICO charge. He got charged with the man act. You know, man act started with Jack Johnson, the boxer from back in the days. I feel like justice was served. I feel like we all can identify the type of person he is when it comes to him being in a relationship, but I just feel like some people are into freaky shit and some people are complicit into freaky shit. And it becomes. It's a gray area, it's a gray line when it becomes to wanting to do it and wanting not to do it this time. And I just feel like based off the evidence, justice was served.

[Ish]

I think that even if they were able to prove it in some factual ways, I like that it seems like the intent of the law was taken into play, taken into account here. And I don't think the intent of the law was to go after a horny individual, even if he may be an abusive, monster, manipulative, all that shit. Like, I don't think that that was the purpose of that law or the sex trafficking law was not to fly prostitutes. And even if on paper it may be dead to rights, that ain't what it was. That's not what it was intended for.

[Parks]

Yeah, I thought of it like that. Yeah, I was actually shocked. Be honest. I just thought that I'm actually shouts to the jury for actually being able to follow the definition of the law. Because I figured that the, the video that was shown, the testimony like they were trying to paint, they basically were trying him for being a piece of.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And we know what we hear about the feds. So I'm thinking, damn, they got actually, they.

[Corey]

They got it because they do have.

[Parks]

Him at being a piece of. And you know, you could taint somebody viewpoint of you. The facts really don't matter after that. But they stuck to the facts and the facts justify these charges.

[Joe Budden]

So salute.

[Parks]

I think, I think the opposite of. I think everybody has points. And I never considered your point with the intent. I think that the intent is different than the factual basis.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

So ICE is like, they followed the law, they didn't follow the law. If they would have followed the quote, unquote letter of the law, he would have got convicted. I think that they did look at the nuance of the situation.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

And look at the intent. And that's why he got exonerated for the trafficking charges. I don't think the RICO would have ever stuck because I don't think Puff was operating a criminal enterprise around sex trafficking.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

You understand what I'm saying? Like the Abercrombie and Fitch, they got them niggas dead to rights. Like, yo, you flying people out for the purpose of selling ass to other people commercially.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Corey]

Right.

[Parks]

Puff wasn't doing that. You understand what I'm saying? So the RICO thing I don't think would have ever stuck. I think that it was a gray area with regards to the sex trafficking piece. And again, we've read the charges up here several times. We don't have to do that. But I think that the jury did find a gray area. And I also think the jury took into account the nuance of hip hop or wealthy men or whatever the case may be and how their lifestyles are. You know what I'm saying? And I think that justice was served. His sentencing will determine if the extent of the justice, but I think that.

[Flip]

They got it right because there's no mandatory minimum.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get the sentencing separately. Mel, how you feeling?

[Mel]

I just think that, you know, for the defense, all they had to do was just was hope for reasonable doubt. And there just was a lot for the jury to be listening to this. And there's a juror who's already making the rounds. You know, that's coming.

[Parks]

The alternate juror or the juror.

[Joe Budden]

The alternate juror.

[Parks]

I saw. Alternate juror. He was already.

[Mel]

Yeah, he's already talking. He was basically saying that. That they watched video of the freak offs. And his word that he used was. It was kind of tame, and all they did was kind of like pet each other or whatever. Whatever words he used Sounds like a.

[Ish]

Molly party to me.

[Mel]

Yeah, that's kind of what he made it seem like.

[Joe Budden]

And preset prosecution and defense chose different pieces of the freak off video to present.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So he's saying in both that we saw, it was pretty tame.

[Mel]

I mean, like, when it comes to.

[Joe Budden]

It looked like consensual.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he said.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

When it comes to court cases, it's theater. Like, it's theater who presents the best set of, you know, who creates the best storyline and who presents the facts in a way in which the jury is convinced without reasonable doubt. And unfortunately, that wasn't done here. You know, there was just too much gray area with, you know, contradictory testimony. And so there's just so Much nuance when it comes to what people understand about abuse and coercion. There's just not enough understanding to.

[Corey]

Be.

[Mel]

Able to make a decision based around that. You know, there's some people who can look at this and say, these women were victims or these people were victims. And there's other people that don't believe that at all. And then that right there is the gray area of which we speak. And that right there is where I could see the jury walking in there and saying, there's too much reasonable doubt here to convict on those particular charges.

[Ish]

I'm pretty interested to see how this all plays into, like, the celebrity boogeyman.

[Mel]

That's the other thing, too.

[Ish]

Trope, you know, which probably started with, like, the Pizzagate and all that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, we now have, like, footage of one of the biggest celebrity boogeymen that we've seen, and he was acquitted on it. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like celebrities, I certainly get not feeling sorry for them, but I think it's also weird to just automatically assume, oh, he's rich and famous, he's doing super nefarious shit.

[Mel]

Well, the opposite could actually be said, you know, because. Let's take LA County. Every time that they. The celebrity goes on trial for some heinous act. Robert Blake. Robert Blakely. Was that his name? Don't worry about it. O.J. simpson Robert Blake. Yeah. Cause it was Bonnie Lee Bakley that was his wife that was murdered. Phil Spector was the first celebrity trial where a guilty verdict was issued in, like, 40 years. So for the most part, celebrities tend to get off. You know, there's just that wow factor of watching celebrities on and also buying into who they are. You know, like, in the case of, like, Puff, he's created, like, the soundtrack to our lives. And so there's that kind of connection that we feel with them that will, you know, that might sway our decision making, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mel]

So, yeah, that's just. That was just my thoughts on it.

[Parks]

Another thing. This would have set a crazy press president.

[Ish]

Yeah. For sure.

[Parks]

Like, had he been found guilty of sex trafficking. Rico, the entertainment, just a wealthy person business. Would have been. Yeah. It would open the floodgates. It would open floodgates.

[Ish]

Even just, like, slightly rich people, like.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

There's a lot of people that engage in something that could be considered sex trafficking if this were to be set as a precedent.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. You just gonna say Joe, no to Parks's boogeyman trope Question. I wanted to say, Torre, I saw on YouTube. Torre, who has been covering this trial, in my words, I'll call it kicking. Puff's back in for a while now.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

One of Puff's people saw Torre outside of the courthouse. They filmed it because Tory wanted to film it. And he said, yo. So I spoke to Puff.

[Mel]

He said, no hard feelings.

[Joe Budden]

I wish you well. No hard feelings. I understand it's journalism, but I'm not focused on yesterday. We focused on moving forward in progress and yada, yada, yada. So they did that. It's on YouTube to see. Just speak to what his state of mind may be currently.

[Ish]

Puffs.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Puffs.

[Ish]

I'd still get a garage.

[Flip]

Yeah, I still. Torre, too.

[Ish]

I'd still get a garage if I were.

[Joe Budden]

Just Uber, you can't do that. Uber. You can't do that.

[Parks]

I think Torre would be the way farther down the list.

[Joe Budden]

I know, I'm joking.

[Parks]

You know what I'm saying? But I think, in my opinion, I thought of something with regards to the jury selection, and I think that when the jury was initially announced and the demographic breakdown of the jury, I thought that. We thought that wouldn't serve Puff well. I think to the contrary, it served him well. I think that the fact that. Cause I think. How many of them were white? Nine of them, right?

[Ish]

That may be true. I think it was.

[Parks]

I think it was nine initially. And then they kicked one of the black people off. And then after it was 10.

[Ish]

Regardless, it was a majority. Majority one.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

It was a majority white. Jordan. I think when we first heard the breakdown, we were like, damn, he's fucked. He's screwed. I think it played the total opposite. I think that we look at certain things because we are, again, connected. A lot of us are from the urban areas, all that shit and how this stuff goes. I think a lot of times those older white people might look at a lot of things black and white. And I'm not talking about racially black and white, just black and white down the middle. And I think that when you start to see that Cassie reached out to him after she was with the dude, right? I think that played against them. You know what I'm saying? Cause now it almost looks like, yo, this is consensual.

[Flip]

This is this.

[Parks]

If she has a new boyfriend, why would she dare reach out to him? And I think they started to look at that shit, and it opened up the gray spectrum even wider. It was already gray, but I think some of those things like that opened it up even wider.

[Ish]

I think a lot of people are also just Freaky and like, can kind of relate. Like, if I had a billion dollars, I'd be having sex parties too.

[Parks]

I'm talking about the control, right? The coercion people and all of that stuff. It's like, yo dog, if you're being controlled and you got away from them, then why would you want to go back into a freak off? You get what I'm saying? Or again, I, I go back to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's, it's clear. I'm sorry, it's clear. People, people didn't see her as a victim.

[Parks]

They didn't.

[Joe Budden]

They saw her as an accomplice, a participant, an accomplice, volunteer, a girlfriend. Just someone who you know and you got to be careful with. Again, real life and the Internet. Anytime somebody said that on the Internet here y' all came with your, with your signs and pitchforks ready to kill somebody and stab somebody.

[Ish]

Well, I think it's, I think it's fair to also say that she was a victim obviously of domestic violence. We saw that, but was not maybe a victim, but that was.

[Parks]

They were trying to tell that. We see how she was a victim of domestic violence. So all of this is true as well.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mel]

But the problem with that is when it comes to domestic violence and it comes to staying in long term relationships where there is a history of domestic violence, that's where the asterisk of coercion comes in. Because people who stay in long term domestic violence in violent relationships, they have learned to pacify the person that they're.

[Corey]

Gonna make this person mad because they.

[Mel]

Know they are under the constant threat of violence. And so when they understand how to make that person happy and their happiness means equals their safety, then they're going to continue to do the things that this person wants to do, whether they.

[Parks]

Want to or not.

[Mel]

Exactly. And then, you know, this also brings up up the, you know, the whole idea of why do people stay or why primarily women. Why do women stay in abusive relationships? There was a lot of stuff that came up, themes that came up in this trial that people don't have enough information about. There's or they have very specific opinions about and that's it.

[Flip]

And I think, I think that worked against the prosecutors. I feel like a lot of old, old school people or older people, they're not into the new phrases and new, you know, it's one way.

[Ish]

Well, some of these new phrases just piggyback the blame in a weird way. It's like. But there's a lot of absolving someone of accountability entirely.

[Flip]

Even, Even When?

[Ish]

That's not fair.

[Parks]

Even with your. Even what I said. I said, yo, after they broke up. Yes, after they left. So while you're there, cool, you might be. You got out doing whatever you got to do, right? Because you are again under constant threat of physical harm. Physical harm or emotional harm or financial harm. You got away from this situation, and now we have you on text saying, yo, let's get together. So I think in that just in itself, it's hard for somebody to now look at you like a victim.

[Joe Budden]

And it wasn't just Cassie with that point, right? Like, everybody that they called to the stand to say, to say, hey, he's abusive, or I witnessed this or I was around for this, they fired right back. The defense with, did you work for him again? Did you call him again? Did you reach out again? Were you paid by him again? Like, so it wasn't just Cassie. It was everybody that they brought up there to tell the story. There was another story.

[Parks]

So now to the average juror, it comes down to this. If he's this bad, why you keep trying to be around him? You're not a victim, you're a violent. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Parks]

Why you keep coming back if he's this bad? So now I don't believe that he's this bad.

[Joe Budden]

And again, listen, it's that again, they showed the jury these sex tapes. Like, we said niggas got eyes.

[Parks]

Like, especially if they saying, we watched in here ain't that bad.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Parks]

So you told us about freak offs forever. We finally see one, it wasn't that bad. Or we see one where you are voluntarily like, no, smack that thing. It's like, yo, dawg, were you really being like.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna say that people need a better understanding of coercion just because the jury found what they found. I think they saw enough to say or conclude the way y' all weren't coerced. Yeah. Like, that part willingly there, that part I don't think is that deep. I don't know why the feds would try to seem like they loaded up on charges that they just wasn't able to prove.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, they overshot for sure.

[Parks]

And I think that they did that in hopes that he would play out. Absolutely. Yo, we gonna stack the deck right here. We gonna give you 59 charges. We know 47 of them is bullshit, but we trying to scare your dumb ass into taking seven years.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but now I'm mad at how y' all showed up to my home. That's all part of how y' all treated my children, bro.

[Parks]

We started off saying this is all theater. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not every. No, it was theater. But some of us, me being one of them, thought that, hey, the Feds have a 90, yada, yada yada. And if they're showing up this way, it's for a reason. They look like they know what they looking for. They don't come unless they got you being rather aggressive. So, I mean, it wasn't just security. Yeah. It wasn't just psychological for Puff. It was psychological for the viewing audience as well, which is all part of the plan.

[Parks]

Which is all because, again, everybody says, yo, dog, the feds don't come unless they got you dead to rights. So even from the hood. That's our understanding of how they move. That's why a lot of us were sitting there saying they got them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Before we heard the plan and came.

[Joe Budden]

Away with some fucking baby oil. And that was the. The. The stick the entire time, bro.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like. And we kept waiting for them to add.

[Parks]

And the average person don't have enough money to fight them. You got to think about that, too. Like, dog, their percentage rate is high, but most people don't have enough money to really go to war with them, dog. If they sat them with no bell, that's psychological.

[Ish]

So they not legit money. Most people facing Fed cases may have a lot of money, but that is.

[Parks]

And, oh, not just that. A lot of that shit. They'll seize your assets so you can't fight them effectively.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, dawg. Y' all pulled me away from the streets, my family, my businesses.

[Parks]

We gonna break you psychologically by having you sit in mdc.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all drained me of my money. I sat there for a year. Like, I would be livid.

[Parks]

We just saw this with the Thug case, where his lawyer was like, I can beat them.

[Ish]

Same lawyer.

[Parks]

But we had no. What I'm saying is. Is one of them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

What I'm saying is we saw Thug say, yo, I'mma take the plea because at this point, I just want to go home now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You see what I'm saying? They. So they stack the way they want you.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Parks]

So they stack the deck against you just to say, yo, take this plea. They knew they ain't happen.

[Joe Budden]

Can he. Can he sue? Can he sue somebody?

[Parks]

Who he going to sue?

[Joe Budden]

How? I don't know.

[Corey]

You got found guilty.

[Parks]

I'm about to say. You wouldn't have quitted on everything, got found guilty. Guilty.

[Ish]

You maybe could sue somebody. I'm not sure.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Ish]

But it seems like you can. Civilly.

[Joe Budden]

I think even what they found me guilty of.

[Parks]

Who are we gonna sue civilly? The feds looks.

[Joe Budden]

The feds look stupid saying we got you on prostitution. You know how stupid the feds look? We knew the feds come meddling in.

[Flip]

Yeah. You know my issue?

[Joe Budden]

Prostitution.

[Flip]

You know what my issue is, though? It's a bigger issue, is that they.

[Joe Budden]

Called that man a sex trafficker, people.

[Parks]

And now I start. See, when this happens, I start to believe the other shit that was being said. Like there was a reason why all of this happened. Yeah.

[Corey]

Now.

[Parks]

Now, if this is all y' all really had and y' all stacked the deck to look like all of this, okay, there was a real reason y', all, bro.

[Joe Budden]

There were a bunch of rumors floating.

[Parks]

Around like, it's a ton of deeper reasoning while they're saying that this took place.

[Flip]

Yo, my issue with this whole thing, though, is that people making it seem like Puff's victory is a shot at victims. And I really have a problem with that. I don't think that with the victory takes anything away from victims. But some people are complicit in what they do. And I feel like that gray line needs to be. It needs to be explained and explored more. If you have the tapes and seeing the actions and the text messages, not saying somebody can't be a victim in that time, but they try to loop everyone up, victims up into one big circle and one big pot. And it shouldn't be like that.

[Parks]

And to me, I'mma keep it a buck. Some shit niggas don't be wanting to say. If you start talking about organized crime.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

And him running a ring, she was a part of the criminal enterprise.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. People are saying that.

[Parks]

Like, yo, fam, if you gonna say, let's say, hypothetically, you take John Gotti and somebody's working on behalf of John Gotti. Let's say they fear John Gotti. Cool. Cassie's working under the fear of Puff. When John Gotti goes to jail, Johnny no knows goes to jail, too. He can't get up there and say, yo, dawg, I was only doing this because my was making me.

[Flip]

Unless he gets immunity. Unless he raps for the testimony. Yeah, cool.

[Parks]

So when you start talking about that, people are saying, yo, Cassie was the person booking the gang guest. Cassie was the person paying the guest. So now Cassie or whomever is now a part of the criminal enterprise that.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all sending Puff to jail for instructing the guest. See, cuz again. Well, maybe.

[Parks]

And People got up there and testified to such.

[Flip]

Yeah, but it's saying that. You know that. And there's some people that's going to say that she did that under. Like, she was.

[Parks]

And that's what I just. That's what I just said.

[Joe Budden]

I know, but that's where the real conversations need to be had that we can't really have.

[Parks]

Because now you think about this dude said, yo, when he got to the door, she opened up the door naked with some heels on. I can't speak to her mental state of mind when she's doing that, but factually, somebody's looking like, yo, dog, you was with the shits. You was playing. You was with the shits. And I think we can't really. Again, why is it so bad to ever to say that?

[Flip]

I don't.

[Parks]

I just. Bruh, because now you look like a misogynist. Because we saw the video. That's not. No, you look like the misogynistic man. That's not taking into account this woman's abuse and why she might have had to succumb to that. Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Which could be accurate.

[Parks]

But the could is the part that makes you not go to jail.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Flip]

They can say drugs play the part. They could say, different views. I have different views as well. They can say drugs play a part. They could say being in love played a part. Just wanting to please your partner, not wanting to get them upset. There's so many nuances when it comes to these things of why a person does that. I feel like if a person has a vivid memory and say, I did this, and they acknowledge that they did it, I feel like to put a psychological blame on it, it just takes away from the person's accountability.

[Parks]

I think there's. There's no way. And now that we rehashed some of the testimony, I don't see how somebody could say, yo, there was not a reasonable doubt present.

[Flip]

Mel, you had something to say about it, man.

[Mel]

No, you guys had already said it. Like the domestic violence angle. I mean, that is just. It's a pervasive. An important part of this whole sordid fucking story, you know? And then from watching the video, that was not the first time, not even close. And there was a lot of testimony from other people that indicated that they had been witnesses to, you know, to him beating her. So that is. It's a major factor in this. We've come to the end. The jury's made their decision, but that is a major factor. You know, when Mark was here, he was just like, like, we've all known that Puff was a piece of shit for a really long time. And the shit that he should have been maybe faced criminal charges on over the course of his 30 years in the business, he did not face charges for. He's facing charges for this shit, which to a certain.

[Joe Budden]

But even that to an extent, is media propaganda.

[Ish]

It's conjecture.

[Parks]

How many people really know that Pu.

[Joe Budden]

Was a piece of shit? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Firsthand account since 1998. We heard. We. Whatever you've heard about. Yes, that don't just etch in stone that somebody is a piece of for me. Like, we need more than that. We can't just keep saying everybody knew and no one did nothing. No, no, everybody didn't know all the way. And everybody was not in the play position.

[Ish]

There's also something about it. Level's a piece of. But does being a piece of saying that you have to be thrown in. He should have been thrown in jail years ago. Like, what? For being an asshole? Like, is he doing illegal things Exactly.

[Flip]

Or not? Does being a pizza shit means you go to jail?

[Mel]

Well, I mean. Well, for example, that video. Take that, for example. If that had been made available two weeks after, he definitely would have faced criminal charges for that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And then every. Almost every single artist under Bad Boy, them talking about their experiences working with him and just basically how they ended up broke and he ended up rich and they've ended up. But no, I'm. What I'm saying is when we're talking about calling somebody a piece of shit, there's various reasons as to various means in which somebody can determine your piece of shit. That is one.

[Joe Budden]

But at some point, it's time to show improve. At some point. We can't just take the conjecture. The conjecture and make it match, right?

[Parks]

Like we sit there and say, put Puff a piece of for the contract. Y' all sound like you know my stance. Y' all signed these contracts.

[Ish]

You signed it also. That's not a jailable thing. This is all stemming from he should have been in jail years ago. But, like, that's not jail work.

[Parks]

If I legally robbed somebody, I'm a piece of for that for sure. If I took advantage of Mel's situation. Mel sleeping on somebody's couch, right? Mel can sing her ass off. I know. Mel can sing her ass off. I know. Mel's going to be a star. Mel, you sleeping on somebody couch. You want this 200 grand or not. Right. Is it predatory? Yes. Was it a piece of shit? Yeah. Is it illegal? No. Is it immoral? Maybe. But now Mel goes on to make $10 million. When I found you, you was on somebody's couch. I made a billion, you made 5 million.

[Mel]

But what I'm referring to in terms of illegality is the video.

[Parks]

Oh no.

[Mel]

And statute of limitations, et cetera. And prior criminal activity that nobody could prove until they saw it, but even.

[Joe Budden]

On the video was a misdemeanor.

[Parks]

I was about to mount video. It's a domestic violence charge. It's horrible. It's horrible. I saw him kick this 90 pound girl on the ground, my nigga. It's horrible. Any one of us had the sister that was getting kicked on the ground, we might want the nigga's head. Yes. But for him to go spend the rest of his life in a sell behind him beating on this girl, I just think that was going to be a tough sale. It was going to be a tough sale.

[Joe Budden]

That was going to be a tough sell.

[Parks]

And again, don't. I'm not, I'm not caping for him at all. I'm not caping for him at all. I'm just saying, dog, like, we can't give a life in jail because we saw, in my opinion, because we saw him.

[Flip]

Well, that video and his lawyers and defense acknowledging that he, he was an abuser played a part into him why he didn't get bailed this last time. The judge, while I was in there, the judge stated that you guys admitted that he's an abuser. You guys admitted that we have video. And he said even though the video and you guys admittance won't play a role in my sentencing to him, you guys admitted this. So he still can pose a danger to this person, to that person. I mean, I read Cassie paper, she sent a letter to keep him in. I read it and they passed it out to all of us. And you know, I felt that he should have gotten bail because his, the defense brought up four different cases of people that got found guilty of sex trafficking that got bail. But then the judge stated, well, there were no violence involved in that. There were no admittance of domestic abuse involved in that. So this is why he should stay in.

[Ish]

So I think it's a small price to pay because I think that they used the fact that he's a piece of and abusive and all that to their advantage in the court, the defendants.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Ish]

Because they're like, listen, he's a piece of shit. But he is not that. So I think that you pay the price of staying in jail for another couple months. Like, fuck it, you know, this helped me win.

[Parks]

Because I even think that's bullshit.

[Ish]

Why? I think if you tried to paint him out as a completely innocent human being, he would have had a tougher time in court.

[Parks]

Yeah, you never.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Parks]

I think you lose. I think you lose if you do that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I think with regards to the bail situation, I think in my theory isn't mine. I think it'll be tested once we hear the sentencing.

[Joe Budden]

True, right.

[Parks]

I think that if this man is on camera doing all these things, and we have all these testimonies doing all these things, and now Puff goes home after six months. Cause they can give him. Him time served. He could come home on probation. Right? And that's what I think is leaning toward. I think he's leaning toward getting probation, some monitored stuff, some drug programs and all of that stuff. Right, Cool. But if the man sat in jail for six months after we laid out all this state funding, federal funding, and all of this shit, for him to only go sit for five or six months, I think that the people look crazy. So I think they gave him an additional four months. They're gonna say, yo, he sat in jail for a year. We gonna give him time served. He served a year, go home. I think after five months, him only sitting. Cause he got locked up in September.

[Flip]

Well, the prosecutor. Seven months.

[Parks]

I think that everybody looks.

[Flip]

The prosecutor are waiting for the prosecutor and the judge. They're waiting for the conversation with probation. So once they have a conversation with probation, they're trying to speed up the trial date.

[Mel]

The sentencing date.

[Flip]

Yes, yes. The sentencing date was October 3rd, but they're trying to speed it up to July. So once the prosecutor said, once they have a conversation with probation, and probation comes up with an understanding, we're willing to.

[Parks]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. Monday, right? Yeah, Monday. So we shall see. You goddamn right. I heard Puff was saying, no, I want to speak to the judge.

[Parks]

Yeah, I heard that too. I heard him like, yo, let me talk to him.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with everything you said about maybe time served curved is gonna happen. So, yeah, you got to sit in there for a year. October.

[Parks]

What's the max on his charge?

[Ish]

10 years, 10, 27 months.

[Flip]

Yeah, the max is 56 months. And then.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, and then.

[Flip]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Because he got a clean record and all.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like, first Time, offender, all of this type of shit.

[Ish]

I think the two charges they said would, if he was to do max time for both, they would run concurrent or whatever. Time for both because they're kind of the same crime.

[Joe Budden]

So I didn't think he was getting the bail just because you. Then. Now we got all this egg on our face now. You made us look. You made us look real stupid. You made us look real dumb.

[Ish]

It took a major l. We spent.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of money, called a lot of witnesses.

[Ish]

I read somewhere that usually a case like this, they would have like two prosecutors or three prosecutors that had six.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like a lot of energy, lot of manpower on this.

[Flip]

There was a white guy in there, cuz, my mom is crazy, but there was a white guy in there sitting behind us saying, oh, yeah, look at this. Can you imagine six white women against this black man? Look at the Karens. And then look at. He's getting people. People were agreeing with him, but the people that wasn't on puff side were. Were mad at them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Flip]

It's crazy in there.

[Joe Budden]

You had absolutely nothing. Now you done exposed all my private dirty business.

[Flip]

Do you think that he has a chance to sue them? Cause I thought the same thing you thought.

[Parks]

No, he got lost.

[Joe Budden]

He was a loss.

[Flip]

Yes, he lost. But there's a lot of things that came out of that if we're gonna use a psychological standpoint, right? Hey, yo, from what I suffered from, he also had the psychological. He also could say he suffered from.

[Corey]

He lost.

[Flip]

He didn't. Not really.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Parks]

If he got found innocent, then he might be open. People look at whatever you endured as a criminal. It's par for the course.

[Flip]

Like, you used my personal business. You exposed me to the world. Not only that, you exposed me to the world. And on top of exposing me to the world, the charges that you tried to charge me with didn't warrant that. You had no proof of what you were trying to charge me with. So you don't think that he can sue over that?

[Parks]

That your defense proved that we were wrong in court. Okay, when get 40 charges again, we might only prove two of them got it. Yo, when you. When you go to jail and you sleep on a hard ass cement floor with no mat, people look at it like, yo, dog, you're in jail. You're not at the country club, you in jail, right? It's supposed to be hard. You're in jail.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Parks]

So most people don't really have sympathy for you. I know niggas that told me they was Locked up in the. With the windows was broke. They had to sleep in they coats. Literally had to sleep in their coat. So sometimes they'll come in like, oh, yo, y'.

[Corey]

All.

[Parks]

Under these conditions, we'll deduct XYZ off your time. My little cousin was locked up during COVID People was dying during COVID in the jail. They gave some of them a little bit off the day sentences. But the average citizen looks at it like, yo, fam, you're in jail.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Parks]

You don't have. Have sympathy for you got you. You know, a question I had about this. When they raided his crib, the one in la, you know, they. They listed all the. They found it was assault rifles with D face serials named. We never heard of people about that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, they said, well. Well, I read all the weapons found were registered legal weapons.

[Parks]

Yeah, I heard that too.

[Joe Budden]

D Face cereal propaganda.

[Parks]

And that's what. But you get what I'm saying.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying also maybe early reporting. You know what I mean? They may not have.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Had the full information. Cereal might be somewhere else.

[Parks]

Throw this information out to throw it out there. This is what I'm.

[Ish]

We found drugs.

[Parks]

A lot of people said that the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Parks]

The baby oil had a chemical in it that was. Whatever that was. It was like a rape drug in the chemical.

[Mel]

Ghb, bro.

[Parks]

All of those things that we got to sway the public opinion. Opinion. Like I. And it's further like I'm starting to believe that conspiracy. I'm telling you. Yes, I believe. And I think whoever.

[Joe Budden]

What conspiracy?

[Parks]

The broadcast is too big for us to really get into some of that stuff. But dog, they said a lot of. They. The one conspiracy was the liquor thing.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

Owes him $2 billion and they did this to send him away.

[Joe Budden]

All of that stuff.

[Parks]

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like a lot of this stuff that once you see how it played out again, they said, yo, he has a chemical in all of the lube. That was a report like they did testing on all of the lube and it was a chemical in there. None of that stuff came up in the trial.

[Ish]

I think this was all essentially media. I think the. The state and the feds felt pressure because all the shit became public with the. The camera and the lawsuit from Cassie, all that shit, and they felt pressured to fucking put all their.

[Mel]

I was gonna say.

[Ish]

I think that's why.

[Mel]

I was gonna say that's all our fault. This is an indictment on our society and what we find entertaining.

[Parks]

True.

[Mel]

This is all a Reflection of the bloodlust that we have for gladiator games. That's what this is. So this is our fault. So when you find yourself in a situation like Puff, where you're facing quote unquote, trumped up charges, all of the theater that goes along with these high profile fucking cases, whether it's like somebody accused of serial murder, like the Idea, Idaho or you know, Gilgo beach, we're learning everything as every single fact gets, you know, gets discovered.

[Ish]

True crime is one of the most popular genres.

[Mel]

It's probably the most popular genre. No, in every way, shape and form. Documentaries, movies, everything.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mel]

And so this is an indictment on what we find entertaining, all of this.

[Parks]

We go back to the Kobe trial. When Colby got accused of the rape stuff. They said that the prosecution knew he was never going to trial. They didn't have enough evidence to take him to trial. They let it extend because they said that all of the hotels were booked, all of the restaurants were booked, the cabs, all of that stuff. That little ass town was making so much money that they showed stretched it as long as they could. Cause they knew they didn't have enough to indict him.

[Mel]

True crime Court TV is a multi billion dollar fucking incident.

[Parks]

Again, you got every reporter from all around the world in Colorado in this little ass town reporting on this stuff. So everything is booked. And that's just where we are as a society.

[Flip]

How do you guys feel about the people that are now that were hoping that he went to jail and get found guilty, but are now on a opposite side?

[Parks]

I think that speaks to society too. I think that women go through so much shit that us as men sometimes can't identify with that. This was almost like a he gonna suffer for everything that we've endured.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

People are switching sides, you know what I mean? Now that the big charge, the RICO charge, he got found out. Guilty, not guilty on that. I see some people that were hoping that he'd go to jail standing on the other side.

[Parks]

Regular Joes or celebrities.

[Flip]

I don't know about celebrities. I'm talking about regular Joes in real time. I'm talking about when I first went there to the courthouse or some people are saying. And now that that happened, a lot.

[Parks]

Of people just wanna be on the right side of things. So like, if they were standing. Yeah, he's gonna be. He's gonna do this. I think it would've been the other way too. Do you feel that way where some folks would've. No, he's gonna beat it. He's Gonna beat it. And then if he came out and they found him guilty on everything.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

People just freeze.

[Flip]

Do you feel like there's a pressure to follow others? Meaning that to follow what people may. To follow the right side.

[Corey]

I don't think there's a pressure.

[Parks]

I just think people do it. People just follow the crowd.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, what are the next steps for Puff?

[Mel]

I've been wondering that a lot.

[Parks]

If I'm him, lay low. I get back to business. Like, we can't deny that. That he's one of the most assertive, aggressive people we've seen in business. So I think that once he sets his mind to some shit, I don't think you could really deny him. If I'm him, I just get low. I spend the time with my family. Hopefully he's detoxed, you know what I'm saying? And drug free and sober and all of those things. And I just think that he'll get. He a moneymaker, bro. I think he'll just get back to business. I don't think that it's gonna be as big of a black eye as people think. I don't see him getting low. I don't think you get low. I got found guilty of the prostitution that a lot of the industry does. That's true. So a lot of my contemporaries ain't really looking at me as a bad guy right now. No, that's not true. He beat that girl on camera and.

[Joe Budden]

We all saw it.

[Parks]

That is a black eye to your personal brand, your Persona, all of those things.

[Mel]

Criminal charges give a about that.

[Parks]

I was just getting raised.

[Mel]

Unfortunately, we don't give a about that.

[Joe Budden]

Unfortunately.

[Parks]

Oh, I think because I think people care less about the criminal charges.

[Mel]

A lot of statements being made.

[Ish]

I think that people care more about the DV video footage than any of this trial.

[Parks]

But I'm talking about everybody paid for some. They gonna with. They gonna. I think people are still gonna fuck with Puff.

[Ish]

Oh, I think so too.

[Parks]

Musically, I agree. I think he don't miss a beat. And like, a lot of them niggas did do that too. That's true too. And just didn't get caught. Yeah, that's true. Again, I think he cares less about the prostitution piece.

[Joe Budden]

Agreed.

[Parks]

Like, so niggas brag about every day about tricking like that ain't nothing. I think that the welcome home party.

[Joe Budden]

Gonna have some prostitution, the good ones going on in here.

[Parks]

I think the DV piece is still a black eye to him. I think he feels embarrassed by the DV piece. So I think he'll address it.

[Mel]

He'll probably do some reparation, like reputational reparation.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's gonna do some rehab, counseling, maybe.

[Mel]

Maybe connect himself with a domestic violence organization. Yeah.

[Parks]

You think he's genuine? To a degree I don't. To a degree. I'll tell you why I don't. I'm gonna tell you why I don't. When the. I remember how he responded when the charges. When she first filed publicist games, he still did it. Publicist games or not, he could have said, no, I don't want.

[Mel]

We sat up here and said, his public. Where was his publicist? His publicist shouldn't. Would never have let him do that. He did that on. In on his own accord.

[Parks]

Then I remember once the bit like. Like now it's, oh, they know. Okay, I can't behave. So I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I think.

[Parks]

I think you're going to do what he got to do to be able.

[Flip]

To get some reports.

[Parks]

Puff was high. All of these are reports like. Like even.

[Flip]

This is what I said to Tor, because Tor told me the same thing when I was talking to him. And he tried to say he's a sociopath, but I said, you don't think that he can change? You don't think that him sitting down, seeing his business go out there, seeing this happen, that he could want to change and want better for himself?

[Mel]

Sociopathy is a personality disorder.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what he told me. But I said, I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily.

[Joe Budden]

You got too much of that going on, too.

[Parks]

Psychology.

[Joe Budden]

Enough. Enough of y'. All. Yo, wait. Enough psychology.

[Flip]

But he said that to you?

[Joe Budden]

Like, when the fuck do y' all get. Enough, enough. Y' all are not. Y' all on WebMD going nuts now. Y' all can't just keep diagnosing people with what the. You think they got. You don't know these people. We're using really big words.

[Parks]

They don't even know what they mean. They know what they mean because they read it up. But psychology, everybody.

[Flip]

So you don't think association.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think Torre is credible enough to call puppets socio nothing. Sit down for a minute.

[Parks]

We do it.

[Joe Budden]

Go gather yourself. Oh, sorry, y'. All.

[Flip]

I asked the same question.

[Parks]

No, we do. I think the term. The misogynist term, the incel.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Parks]

We are in a society where these psychological terms went to one. Because let me ask you. Deflection.

[Joe Budden]

Who's to say that he.

[Parks]

That he hasn't Done.

[Joe Budden]

Done the work.

[Flip]

His lawyer said that he did. His lawyer said that he was doing the work before he went in. He was doing some of the work, going to some of the programs. When he knew that, when we told him that the feds were coming, he aligned himself with different programs. His lawyer said that.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm just saying, nobody knows.

[Parks]

He might have did it before the Fed.

[Joe Budden]

In his apology video, he said that he in therapy and getting some help doing yada, yada, yada, and he may have done it even before. Before that. But all we know is that a really, really, really horrible domestic violence video came out that is dated 2016. That's it.

[Parks]

That we know that we were. Absolute certainty.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's it. Anything else is hearsay. We don't. We don't know for sure. I mean, we saw that.

[Flip]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't. I don't stand in that. People can't change. That's. That's not my.

[Flip]

And I said. I said that same ministry. I said, I think he could change.

[Joe Budden]

Where I come from. And I think. 2 ease. 2. It's too easy today to.

[Parks]

To write somebody off completely, to make.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody a villain, even if they're villainess.

[Ish]

Well, social media is the pitchfork. Pitchfork mob.

[Parks]

They don't allow growth on social media.

[Flip]

You are who I just.

[Parks]

We at your lowest. That's who you forever are.

[Flip]

I agree with Joe. I feel like we try to use these big words to sort of to mask the fact that we are human beings and people go through things and they would do the work to change.

[Ish]

It's also a deflection of accountability.

[Flip]

I feel like by sitting down, you become sober. You become like, I don't want to be back here. I don't want my business to be back in.

[Parks]

I feel like all of that could be rock bottom.

[Flip]

I feel like all of that. I don't know what sociopath means. So when he said it to me, I didn't. He just said, it's a mind thing. You're a sociopath. I don't think that this would change him. He's gonna go out and do the same thing. This is what he told me. And I don't agree.

[Mel]

He's basically somebody who knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't give a fuck. They lack empathy and, yeah, they have.

[Parks]

No conscience like that.

[Flip]

So then do you. Except you would only give a fuck about your family because you can't say you don't give a fuck if you have children that you Love. So that sort of contradicts each other?

[Mel]

Well, no, not exactly. It's like. Like knowing the difference between right and wrong and not caring about that, not having empathy, like, for causing somebody pain, like that's okay. Essentially bare bones explanation. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

See, I don't even think that normal people should be giving it if you're not credited and you ain't do some. Because you can't just call somebody something. You got to speak to them. You got to get information. You can't just keep watching somebody on the Internet and say you're a sociopath. They call me a sociopath for how I act on love of hip hop. Like, enough.

[Flip]

Now that's facts.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You can't. We can't just keep doing that is all I'm saying. I agree.

[Flip]

You're not one.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, they could be right.

[Flip]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, a doctor, I done sat in front of a lot of doctors and nobody ever used that because.

[Flip]

Then, you know what you, you know, I think if you, you know right from wrong and we see you sometimes say, yo, that's wrong. I was wrong. I mean, sometimes in a moment we.

[Joe Budden]

Ah.

[Flip]

But then you can realize that that was wrong. So you.

[Joe Budden]

And hopefully when he comes home, he'll continue to. He'll continue to do the work that needs to be done. That's the thing about work. It's never done. It's never done. So hopefully he'll continue to do the work. Real, real proud and happy day for his family.

[Ish]

I'm sure his sons are.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

His kids, general daughters, his mom and Puff supporters. There are many of them. So real happy day for them. Maybe not the happiest day for anyone who this case has triggered. Right. Because there are abuse victims out there that had to read shit, see shit, hear shit, be brought back to things. So. And, and. And some people feel like the verdict and is somewhat a reminder of why abuse victims don't come forward, don't try to pursue legal action with their.

[Flip]

I think that's unfair.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Flip]

Like, I was telling my mom about that, man. Like, she was yelling at. What's the lady's name, his lawyer, the black lady. My mom was arguing with her or yelling at her, saying that she doesn't sympathize with victims. And I told my mom I think that's wrong. I think that to loop up all victims in a situation like that is wrong. And I feel like people that do that are doing a disservice to victims. I agree it's a disservice like, that lady was doing her job. I don't think that she doesn't sympathize with victims, but she's doing a job, and to put that on her is wrong, number one. Number two, all victims don't share the same story, so we cannot loop up, oh, I'm a victim. And.

[Parks]

And every crime not the same.

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Ish]

I think the charges in general were a disservice to victims because they weren't charging him with the thing that the whole world looked at. They were charging him with a whole bunch of other. That was irrelevant to the domestic abuse.

[Parks]

They're trying to prey on them.

[Flip]

Yeah, exactly, Parks.

[Parks]

That's a good point. I just think that the severity, too, for every crime should not be the same. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I come punch Parks in the face and then I shoot Joe, like, yo, everybody, they're victims. But the severity for me punching you and the severity for him shooting Joe, they are totally different punishments that should be handed down. I just don't think it's just a blank slate for sure. And I think that's bad justice. It's not justice.

[Flip]

You know what time it is, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

You don't look too happy about this.

[Joe Budden]

How do you feel the real conversation still can now? Never really be happy because I see it in your face. I'll never.

[Flip]

But you can if you want to. Nah, we can just edit it out.

[Joe Budden]

Keep a pay per view and. But I mean.

[Parks]

I mean, listen, you can. Especially here.

[Flip]

I get you.

[Joe Budden]

I get it.

[Flip]

I understand what you're saying.

[Joe Budden]

You do want. You do. You do. You do want to celebrate men. Men kind of do want to celebrate history not being able to be rewritten on you. Cause there's just been a trend recently of that happening and working and being successful at it. Like, outside of HOV and Busby, that might have been the only case we heard where, you know, it went a little different, but.

[Flip]

No, but it threw it up.

[Mel]

It's not the first one. There's several. During the whole MeToo thing, a lot of men were being taken down, and there was a few, like Aziz Ansari and Jeremy Piven was another one where they. Accusations were leveled at them, and they were like, oh, hell no. Fuck, no. And they fought tooth and nail. Those are two that I can think of.

[Parks]

Chris Brown accusations came, and he had all of the messages and everything different. They threw it out. No, it's different because. Because he had the proof. Yeah, that's what we talked about. If he didn't have the proof. They would have put that boy on the skewers. Jay Z didn't. Jay Z just shot right back at Busby. Like, it didn't even go to. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, but it was because it was still proof in when the person said they recanted kind of their story because it was like, yo, you. I did what?

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't have to go back. Oh, okay.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Parks]

All right. Well, yeah, I'm just saying there are.

[Mel]

Exactly examples, though, of people who have like.

[Parks]

And Jeremy Piven is white. Like, I think your thing is a little bit more.

[Mel]

Aziz. I'm sorry, he's brown.

[Parks]

Your shit is geared towards.

[Joe Budden]

Didn't do shit.

[Mel]

No, I know what Aziz do.

[Ish]

Bad date.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What did it. Yeah, he had a bad day.

[Mel]

Yeah, but I mean, like, it was being packaged as. I don't even know what the fuck they were trying to call that. But even women were like, uh, don't even try to align yourself with real victims like that shit. Even women were like, no. As a matter of fact, the magazine that put that out, I think that was their first and only issue. The story where they interviewed the quote, unquote victim because it was just so bad.

[Parks]

See, that's really what. That's the real conversation. Parmesan for a minute.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think America looks at dead gang members as victims?

[Mel]

Probably. No, probably not.

[Joe Budden]

No, you won't.

[Parks]

I had a conversation. Avid pot fam, One of my homegirls. Avid pot fam. She's an attorney.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, girl.

[Parks]

Right. She's an attorney, too. So we broken down. She said, to Mel's point. Cause she told me that me and Mel had this back and forth early on in the show and where I was like, dawg, anything that Cassie is doing now, she could stub her toe and n are blaming Puff, right? And so my homegirl just went crazy. Yo, y' all don't understand. And I'm like, yo, dawg, she called him after she got with her new dude, and she was like, Stockholm syndrome. And she went through all of these terms. And I said, let me ask you a question. I said, if a young black man goes out, or any man for that matter that grew up in a fucked up circumstance goes out and they kill somebody, do you look at like, they should go to jail? And she said, absolutely. I said, so why do you not look at the environment that this kid grew up in in and the trauma that this kid faced? Because now he's growing up in a jungle. So now to survive in a Jungle, you become a lion or a wolf. And so now these actions that he learned in this environment, now why do they not exonerate him? And she sat there and was quiet and she was like, I'll get back to you on that one. Like, yo, dog. So to your point with the gang shit, we don't look at them like they are a victim of environment or circumstance or anything else. And I don't wanna equate the two. Cause that'd be disrespectful to Cassie. I'm just saying we don't ever look at it with regards to that. Like these kids are growing up in these environments and these environments are making them at a young age become this.

[Mel]

But here's the crazy part. When it comes to black and brown people, specifically men, it's look for moments of early criminalized behavior with white boys like school shooters and shit. Let's look down his life to see where he was harmed or experienced some trauma. It's really fucked up and so contradictory. But the fact of the matter is, is that sometimes the education of what you were first disposed to, it plays a major role and factor in the things that you.

[Parks]

We don't take that into account with people.

[Flip]

You can't say nothing to pops. Pops do what he wants. That's why I love you. Sit right there, boy. You can't say nothing to him. He trying to look around at us. We ain't doing it. We ain't running the water. You can't look at us. You can't say nothing to the og.

[Ish]

Eddie is made food for him.

[Joe Budden]

Safe first.

[Parks]

Yeah, we good, we good.

[Joe Budden]

Oh man, I'm not saying nothing to him, cuz we. We still got our graduation, baby.

[Flip]

By the way, I want to thank.

[Joe Budden]

The half of y' all in this room. Don't think I didn't hear it.

[Ish]

That agreed with me.

[Corey]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey. Take that college PhD down the street.

[Flip]

Big dog, shout the pops.

[Joe Budden]

Take. Take that shot this somewhere. Anyway, what was I saying tonight? Oh, y' all was talking.

[Parks]

Yeah, but I ain't really want to. But cuz you got to think about what Mel just said. But people don't.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even understand what Mel just said.

[Mel]

Well, no, I was applying it to your example of.

[Joe Budden]

I was ordering stromboli.

[Parks]

Yeah, Chipotle.

[Joe Budden]

Me.

[Mel]

I was applying it to your example where you asked our. Our gang members who get murdered victims. I was applying it to that example.

[Parks]

Gotcha. Favorite part of the show. Trying to get up out of there. I don't want no problems, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm good. I'm a sucker. I'm Howard the Coward. Howard the Coward.

[Corey]

Who the hell is that?

[Flip]

Me making up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. All right, well, I guess it's time for my favorite part of the show.

[Parks]

Ours too.

[Joe Budden]

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[Parks]

Alana.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ish]

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[Parks]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So the room thinks Puff is bouncing back without a problem.

[Parks]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome. Well received.

[Ish]

I don't know about well received. I think he's going to. His public image is going to be in turmoil, but I think that he'll be business wise. Like you said, he's a businessman. He's going to get to it.

[Parks]

Yeah. Okay. No distractions. I think. I hope he gets low for a minute. Like I think even some of the shit that he did before they came and got him, I think some of that shit hurt him. You know what I mean? Like that braggadocious thing. I even heard people talking about his kids and how they were rejoicing outside. Like a lot of people looked at that in a way.

[Corey]

No Fuck that.

[Ish]

I'm rejoicing if my pops are crazy.

[Parks]

Listen, it depends on the onlooker. A lot of people looked at that shit in a way. Cool. But I just beat a rico. Well, all pops just beat a rico. Where he was facing the rest of his life.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas miss they dad. My dad was facing life. Okay? We've been out here pressing niggas. We've been out here stepping in niggas. Yeah. One dad to come home. Okay, sorry. And they did the little spin and dance with. With his sister who. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

[Parks]

The kids. I mean. And all. They got a right to celebrate what.

[Joe Budden]

Happens to all of the rest of the people that took the stand. We already getting some of the. The male. The male escorts doing interviews. What happens with Cassie? What happens to some of the others? Some of the other people that took the stand?

[Ish]

I think we're getting a lot of books. There'll be a lot of them.

[Parks]

It's gonna be a lot of them.

[Joe Budden]

Books and docs. Books and docs.

[Parks]

I think Cassie will be. I mean, she already got 20, but I think.

[Mel]

No, she got more than that because she sued the hotel for 10.

[Parks]

I did hear that, too. Yeah, I did hear that.

[Joe Budden]

Pays to be a victim. Okay.

[Parks]

I think. I think she'll take it out.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care.

[Parks]

No, I think she'll start going. Getting more movie roles and shit. Like that cat, maybe. Yeah. Like, I think just off the. The sympathy plea. She's beautiful, fam. So I think she'll definitely start to get some more. Some more acting jobs. I don't. I think the opposite.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Parks]

Again, bro, I think a lot of people with puff and still do, and I think the silence of a lot of people said that. So I think the people's like, yo, I don't like that. Because again, like, the jury, I. They don't necessarily believe you were full out victim of all of this. Yes, they still do believe.

[Joe Budden]

Victim. Yes.

[Parks]

DB Victim. Yes. So it's people like, yo, you. You went up there, you did this. Y' all tried to set them up with those charges. People ain't really.

[Flip]

She.

[Parks]

She's not gonna be in a lot of people's favor. And, yeah, and she was made whole. That's how people feel. Deal like, you got a payout.

[Joe Budden]

We will see. Indeed, we'll see. Thoughts and prayers to anybody who needs it out there, for sure. It's the 5th of July at Cookouts. I ain't trying to depress anybody. Okay. All right, Cool. All right. What's Fun? What's fun? That they need our assistance with Malik Beasley.

[Flip]

He ran up a tab at the barbershop.

[Parks]

I need a lot of assistance.

[Joe Budden]

No, he ran up a tab everywhere.

[Parks]

Everywhere, man.

[Joe Budden]

The dentist, the barber shop, Malik Beasley.

[Parks]

How much is the barber shop? 30. 30? 30 something.

[Joe Budden]

100,000. Man, what.

[Ish]

What type of haircuts you use?

[Parks]

Some nice fades, I ain't going to hold you some nice fades.

[Mel]

Why let a bill get that long at the barber shop?

[Parks]

They know you're rich.

[Mel]

30 something grand for bars around crazy.

[Flip]

30 grand?

[Parks]

29 grand. You son, hairline ain't even sharp like that, dog. I'm a brokey fan. My little.

[Joe Budden]

My little $100 Beasley is a basketball player. Last year, played for the Pistons, and they're getting him out the paint, saying that he. He was. Did some sports betting.

[Flip]

Gambling?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, gambling. Sports betting. And just wasn't moving. He it up. He did the. The Porter package thing. Yeah, a lot of. So it's coming out. Reports are coming out with just how broke he was. They're saying by at the end of it, the dentist was garnishing his check. His pistons check. That I don't understand. I'm confused about why Malik Beasley has made over $60 million in his career.

[Parks]

All right, you pay who you want to pay. Could have it up, too. And you pay who you want to pay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what his last contract was, so just for conversation's sake, let's call it $7 million. Yeah. If he owes the dentist or Whoever that was 30 grand, how is his check being garnished from the NBA?

[Parks]

Because what'll happen is the dentist would file a judgment. Like, if somebody owes me rent money and they don't pay me, I go downtown, I file a claim, then we go to court.

[Joe Budden]

That's how you handle it. Oh, okay. Bitch, I thought you put hands and feet on niggas. I thought they knew not to play with you.

[Parks]

Hey, girl, whatever the fuck you are called. But, yo, so you go down, you file a judgment. If you win the judgment, then the court will now start to slowly garnish some of your earnings from wherever you work. But what happens is, let's say you owe somebody 30 grand. The judgment might take $300 a month from them, $400 a month from them. They might. They not gonna say you'll take the whole 30.

[Joe Budden]

They're taking a portion.

[Parks]

Yeah, they'll take a small portion.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. They take a portion? Yeah. How does somebody get that broken?

[Ish]

Making $7 million a year or whatever.

[Parks]

Vices, bad gambling vices, but no lifestyle. Because you remember they said you bring home maybe 40, 40 something cent per dollar. 30 something cent per dollar. So we looking at it. $7 million. He don't really make $7 million.

[Joe Budden]

And be clear, I just drew that number. Seven million.

[Ish]

I don't know what he makes last year. Seven. It was seven.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Look at me. Nice.

[Parks]

So he don't make seven.

[Ish]

He's made 60 million in his career in nine years.

[Mel]

Yeah, watched a million. We saw the ESPN broke, like how much was, how much did Antoine Walker make during his whole career? Like 100 million.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

So again, once Uncle Sam takes his, then you balling out of control, bad investment. You, you, you fluing him out, you.

[Corey]

Know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Like, yo, dog, all of that matters. You see somebody give you the promise, yo, you give me five right here to start this business up. Two years. I got a real estate deal over here.

[Ish]

You shouldn't, you shouldn't do that. You should hire professionals.

[Parks]

No, they do be professionals.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

They crack your head.

[Parks]

Got signage, offices, all that. They'll tear your ass up. So no, I mean, I don't think it's that hard. It would be hard for me, but it ain't hard for him necessarily to run through that. Your lifestyle be crazy.

[Joe Budden]

These niggas are nuts, yo.

[Parks]

No, if you're single, you'll run through.

[Joe Budden]

If I was single, I'd run through what, yo?

[Parks]

Three million a year, easy.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true. What are you talking about? That's not true.

[Mel]

Why do you think your life would be different if you were single right now?

[Joe Budden]

It'd be a constant state of despair and misery.

[Mel]

I hear that.

[Parks]

I'm just so elated that I have.

[Joe Budden]

To fathom that loneliness.

[Parks]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Recklessness.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Irresponsibility, bad decision, bad decisions.

[Joe Budden]

It probably ends in death or in jail.

[Parks]

I mean, it just keeps me even keeled. Yeah, you wouldn't be grounded anymore. Yeah, all of that, no electron.

[Joe Budden]

But, but it wouldn't be. No, it wouldn't be no running through money. I'm really good with money. Three million a year. You crazy.

[Flip]

Yeah, we can tell you good with money.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know why Ish blowing up his business.

[Flip]

I am phenomenal with money.

[Parks]

Phenomenal is relative. But it's cool. Yo, dog, Nicks be taking care of their whole families, shit like that. Like, dog, it's not really hard to do. Do that. Niggas live in big ass houses and drive the Nicest cars.

[Joe Budden]

I do want to interview his barber. I do want to hear from the barber.

[Ish]

I just want to know the rate. At least 37 vans. 37? That's like, more than I've spent on barbers in my entire life.

[Parks]

Corey got a point. A lot of fly they barber in.

[Ish]

Yeah, okay.

[Parks]

Like, I remember my. I was. My barber was cutting Ross and Khaled in. Them here that ain't used to be there. Like them niggas, he gotta go. So I had to. To switch barbers. Like, dog, them niggas don't be available. Cause when them pay so much that when they tell you to come pause, you gotta go.

[Joe Budden]

So you.

[Parks]

So the barber booking his flight and billing you, and then you're not paying them back. Got it.

[Joe Budden]

G score just dropped some more. That that bar I did, huh? You let your barber leave to go cut Ross? Why? You needed 1A. Hey, man, you let your barber leave. Who else? Your barber was cut. Who else? Your barber left Khaled Ross.

[Parks]

I know he was cutting Khaled.

[Joe Budden]

Your barber left you for Khaled.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm getting a free flight to Miami. I don't know what this nigga's paying him per. Yeah, I wasn't mad.

[Flip]

Go get that bank.

[Corey]

What?

[Parks]

Your boss will leave you too. Let Pharrell call him. That nigga be right in Paris, right.

[Joe Budden]

At the Louis Vuitton. Putting the Louis Vuitton cape on him.

[Parks]

Yeah, word.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck outta here.

[Flip]

And the real Louis Vuitton. Not that bullshit they be having.

[Parks]

So when you start talking about flying lights. And it could. It could. It could run up. That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's crazy. It's like a rhetorical question for me. I don't give a how that broke. Like, I don't really want to investigate. Making jokes. You don't give two about how Malik Beasley got broke. Holy. Some of yours.

[Parks]

Oh, work.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what you're saying right, dog. Nothing else. But it's not all right on a broadcast.

[Parks]

Some of your old work could tap the nigga out.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, would tap and Lee be? Well, shit. If the barber tapped him out, they ain't gonna stand a chance. Yeah, one of them Dyckman devils, them dykeman doubles, they need a team. Man, where you going after this? Speaking of tapping some shit out, huh?

[Mel]

To a little abashment.

[Joe Budden]

Hey. Okay, Stella.

[Flip]

All right.

[Parks]

Got your Sandra D pumps on you.

[Joe Budden]

You took off the fishnet seven.

[Mel]

Shut up. I really like my little ballet slippers. I call these the Blanche Devereaux.

[Parks]

Or that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You remember when shorty put the or grease. She threw the cigarette down and did that and she had them shits on.

[Joe Budden]

A little leathery. It's a little leathery. But Malcolm, all of Stella McCartney. Go ahead. Killing that shit.

[Mel]

These are actually Jimmy Choo.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, stop playing with big mouth.

[Flip]

She's very neighboring the bash, man.

[Joe Budden]

All right, what else is important? What else is important? Unimportant. I can tell y'. All. I can tell that y' all want to go home. That's so don't worry. Yeah, don't worry. We're gonna find some topics.

[Parks]

Of course. Of course. Nah, we was talking on do fish.

[Joe Budden]

Live have a better chance of living in the desert? Salt water.

[Flip]

Oh, man, let.

[Joe Budden]

I'd like to hear. I'd like to hear. I'd like to hear first world problems from each of you.

[Mel]

Oh, I have a list.

[Joe Budden]

What is your biggest what is your biggest first world problem?

[Mel]

I have a list.

[Parks]

Oh, let's hear this.

[Mel]

I have several.

[Parks]

I got a few.

[Mel]

I hate when I don't have a phone charger. That just pisses me off. I hate when I can't get reservations at my favorite restaurant. Okay. Yeah, those are the only two I can come up with right now. I'll go back around me because I'll come up with like three more.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, when the other girl knocks. Hey, when you hear that knock at around 3am Fuck that again.

[Parks]

Yo, when I can't get a parking spot in the front, right, I'd be tight. That's some, some, some entitlement privilege.

[Joe Budden]

When you can't find valet.

[Parks]

When I can't, when I can't get a first class seat on a flight.

[Mel]

Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

I'll be kind. Or the first class seat be out my price range and put me right back in my place.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

I can't. I can't afford all them shits. Some of put your broke ass down.

[Mel]

Or if the only first class seats left are aisles. I hate aisles.

[Parks]

I'm not a fan of the aisle either.

[Mel]

I need a window.

[Parks]

I'm not a fan of the aisle.

[Mel]

First world problems.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the aisle either. Even in first class. I'm not a fan of the aisle.

[Joe Budden]

If I get the aisle, the coming on the plane got better play hopscotch cause I'mma be sleep before this engine come on. And I'm not moving my feet, so sorry. Yeah, if I'm in the owl.

[Parks]

Them Louis Vuitton missing some letters.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy as hell yo the ow. And I'm getting up mad times during the flight. If I'm in the aisle, I'm taking.

[Parks]

Advantage n. I don't with the aisle. You can't really get you a good sleep on. I ain't with that. Yeah, I'm not an owl. Give me the. I need a window. Any flight.

[Joe Budden]

I'm all first world problems. Give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more.

[Mel]

Flip, you got any?

[Flip]

I'm listening to y' all and I'm trying to think of mine. Yeah, I mean, when I don't have dinner on time. So say I don't want to get too crazy.

[Parks]

See the nuggets still in the air fryer.

[Flip]

Not no nuggets. Nah, not no nuggets, man. I get, I get. Listen, hold on.

[Parks]

Soggy for fries.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Flip]

Freezing.

[Parks]

No, I'm chilling.

[Flip]

Hold on. Nobody abused the system and had their mother in law cook all the time. Me, I have my wife and if it's not on time, I don't care if you got come from work, man. Like I went straight to it.

[Joe Budden]

Who cares? You traffic. You don't give.

[Flip]

I don't give her none of that. And it's fucked up to think like that, yo. I'm a fucked up individual when it comes to that, man. And I lay down and I sit down and I talk to myself a lot.

[Mel]

What do you say to yourself?

[Flip]

And like damn, you have to be more nicer.

[Joe Budden]

Considerate.

[Flip]

Yeah, considerate. Especially being up here with you guys. But I think that the devilish side of me always win. Yeah, I ignore it. I don't care. But yeah, I don't get my dinner in time. Just having a family, being at my crib. Like I don't. Yeah, I just want. Yeah, that's my problem. Having my dinner time. People coming to my crib there too much and being there for too long.

[Parks]

I don't shop no more. But when you, you might can attest to this. When you go on your stores and your person, don't be there.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that should be aggravating, that act. I can see that. You know what I'm saying?

[Flip]

Like that be aggravating how you do.

[Ish]

How you don't you shop anymore.

[Parks]

I don't really be buying clothes outside. But when I used to be going out shopping a lot, you, you got specific people that you use Neiman Marcus and like that. So you go on Neiman Marcus and.

[Flip]

Your dude ain' you like you buy it online.

[Parks]

I want no jello. No, I don't shop.

[Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

That's a first world problem.

[Joe Budden]

It for sure is it? Some. Let me think.

[Parks]

Other like, can I help you? No, no way.

[Joe Budden]

Do that out of here.

[Parks]

Like no, mine. Like if I'm buying something and I I can't get it first day. Like whatever it is, whether it be. You know me, I'm tech so iPhone. If I can't get it the first day, I'm tight. I damn, they don't want it no more. Anything that drop, I have to have.

[Joe Budden]

It the first day, you mean?

[Flip]

Okay, so you got bots in place and stuff?

[Parks]

No.

[Flip]

Purchase it.

[Parks]

No, I'll be set. I set alarm, get up for the pre order early. All that switch, all that. I have to have it the day it drop or else I damn, they don't want it.

[Ish]

My landlord just sent the repair guy to fix some things around the crib the other day. And I've been asking for this for a while, but really put my foot.

[Joe Budden]

Down the other day.

[Ish]

I really don't like the doorknob he picked in the new light they put in the backyard. Like that is.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

How do you tell them like no?

[Parks]

You change it yourself. Go buy doorknob. Yo, it cost $20. Should take five minutes and it take three minutes to change.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Flip]

Yo, even though you down with us, you still be doing white.

[Joe Budden]

White people.

[Flip]

You still do white. Even know you down with us, you still be doing some white person N.

[Parks]

Some of these landlords be cheap as they will.

[Ish]

Wait, my landlords aren't though. But they had the. The dude go shopping at the depot and the dude.

[Parks]

Yo, my, you don't see all the door knobs and is black.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Come back with the cross.

[Ish]

It's like a knob. It's like a handle.

[Parks]

That's bougie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Toilets.

[Joe Budden]

What you. Oh, you got a lot stupid ass smart toilet. The lid come on too slow now. They got to be an option. They got to be an option to make it make the lid everywhere.

[Parks]

How the leg come up. You gotta walk in front of it.

[Joe Budden]

And make it come like it's mature.

[Parks]

No, I'm saying you gotta walk in front of it. Or you push a button.

[Joe Budden]

You just walk in front of it.

[Ish]

Does it automatically go down by itself too?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, that's annoying.

[Flip]

You bought a lot of them shits too.

[Corey]

You sick.

[Joe Budden]

Buying a lot of pinel too.

[Flip]

Corey told you about that. We remember you on the bottom. No, you're older.

[Parks]

You can't hold that for so long.

[Ish]

Oh, that's another first world problem. I have four Bathrooms. And that's way too many bathrooms to maintain.

[Parks]

Yeah, first world.

[Ish]

It takes a lot of. It's a lot of work, yo.

[Joe Budden]

I got so many bathrooms that I refuse to use one when I walk by it. So then I just. Then you back in the game. Gotta make it to a different bathroom.

[Parks]

You still use Pine Saw?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I don't clean, but first world problem. That's not a first world problem.

[Ish]

That's a first world problem. That's a first world problem.

[Flip]

You clean.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's a first world problem. Accusing the cleaning lady, Martha, every time something is missing or out of place.

[Parks]

My girl be doing that.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't never guilty. I gotta give it to Martha. I'll be dragging her name through them. That Martha stole my drawers again.

[Ish]

She took all the left socks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause she ain't gonna throw nothing out. She gonna find a Puerto Rican family somewhere that need. Need these shit. Puerto Ricans ain't throwing on now.

[Parks]

Hey, yo, I ain't gonna hold you. I think half of Columbia got. That's.

[Ish]

That ish me.

[Flip]

Oh, wait, we're not gonna let you fall for that.

[Parks]

Yo, hold on. No, my cleaning lady, yo, I be having boxes of, like. My girls be like, yo, I'll be like, man, give it to the cleaner lady, dog them.

[Flip]

You sure it's a cleaning lady or you not sending it on others on the other flight?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Parks]

I have no idea what this.

[Flip]

Okay, I'll let you think about that issue. Yeah, cool. You got to play it all, but you smooth. You got it all lined up.

[Joe Budden]

Up.

[Flip]

I'm just saying you might be giving a package to one of your sides, you know what I'm saying? The Colombian joint. That's what I'm talking about, boy. You can look to the side. You can look to the side.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, that man is insane.

[Flip]

You can look to the side.

[Parks]

The cleaning lady that my girl gives boxes of clothes to. I don't know what country she from, but she be sending it to her peoples. Fuck my whole joke up, man.

[Flip]

I ain't mean to, bro. I mean, you just don't be wanting to get down with the jokes. Like, you got this, like. Like, stubborn old. Old syndrome. Like, laugh like, I didn't know what the. Lie with me, boy. If I want to accuse you of having a side piece from Columbia lie with.

[Corey]

Step into it.

[Flip]

Yeah, I don't know what your girl may do. She may. You up, but still lie. We all got to get beat up sometimes. We all.

[Parks]

Okay, I'm with you, Mark.

[Ish]

Welcome. I'm sure you have a. A laundry list of first world problems?

[Corey]

No, I mean, I was listening to y'. All. Y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Corey]

First of all, y'. All, those ain't first world problems. Those is rich people problems. Like first world problems phrased it rich.

[Parks]

People problems initially and they told him.

[Ish]

It was politically incorrect. They made him turn it into.

[Joe Budden]

But I said what I meant to say. Rich people problems. They wanted to go. Oh, you mean. See, that's what I mean. Even this is not a world where you could be free to say what you're trying to say. Oh, no, you mean first world. No, you bitch ass nigga. I'm saying exactly what I'm trying to say.

[Corey]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I don't need you to PC me.

[Corey]

Right.

[Parks]

Well, I couldn't join in on the conversation with rich people problems.

[Corey]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Not wanting to be called the rich as a first world problem.

[Corey]

You gave rich people problems. You gave famous people problems. You definitely gave rich and or slash bougie people problems. Flips. Yours is a little bit different. Cause like poor people got the same complaint you got right about around the crib. That's just. Dude, that's like husband problems.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Corey]

You know, that's patriarchy problems. But like, you know what I mean? Like you used to being famous, so getting first date shit for you is not even about money. Sometimes it's just. I'm ice.

[Parks]

No, I'm going in there to buy it regular shit. I just be first. I want to be one of the first ones.

[Corey]

Oh, you actually go yourself. You don't make no phone calls. You don't do none of that shit with the tickets. All right, all right. Yeah. Then that's rich people probably.

[Joe Budden]

No first world.

[Corey]

First world is like my Internet went out. You know what I mean? I can't do online banking. I gotta go. Yeah, like when I complain, I never complain to anybody about it. Cause man, who can complain about it too. But when you go in the subway and you wanna do like a one swipe pass, like in New York, a black car for many years was too thick, too thick to get into the the machine. Yeah, I might be a funny like.

[Parks]

He not being funny.

[Ish]

He got Apple pay now. So you're good.

[Corey]

But. But before you couldn't do that.

[Ish]

A black car in the subways.

[Corey]

But you know in New York everybody take the subway. And I lived in Brooklyn, so I would take the queue to cnn. In fact, so I would just, you know, three stops, whatever.

[Parks]

You ain't gonna say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

What everybody don't take. I'm letting him cook.

[Corey]

Oh. But I'm saying, in New York, it's not uncommon to see people.

[Parks]

That's true. Billionaires.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Corey]

You know, but for me, it was like, I lived in Flatbush, in DeKalb. It would have taken me twice, three times as long to get there in a car as it would be to just jump on the train for three stops. So I would go down and go. And your car be in there stuck, and you looking around like, can anybody help me? And you don't want to say that because you look like food. So then you just got. You just got chalky. And I had to go all the way to the atm, get cash or use my debit card.

[Joe Budden]

Ugh.

[Corey]

Exactly that.

[Ish]

I'm sorry you went through that.

[Corey]

That's one of those problems. That's one of those problems.

[Parks]

The Internet is a funny, too.

[Ish]

Oh, anytime. It's even slow.

[Corey]

No. Yeah.

[Parks]

Because guess what happens when you travel a lot and you go certain places and them don't have no Internet or. That should be borderline dialogue when you come back home and you just be.

[Joe Budden]

With a hug the router.

[Corey]

Yo, that's so.

[Parks]

That's some real. That is some real.

[Corey]

They didn't have GPS in Jerusalem. Yo, in East Ru, they have gps. No, I'm not serious. There's no gps. They said that they took down the.

[Parks]

Just to make a right at the rooster barn.

[Corey]

Basically, yes. Go to Ahmed's house and make a right. I'm like, who the is Ahmed?

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Corey]

You'd be stuck.

[Parks]

Yo, that is hilarious, man.

[Corey]

That's the first world problem.

[Parks]

Oh, man. The toilet top comes up too slow.

[Joe Budden]

I got another question for y'. All.

[Ish]

Shoot.

[Joe Budden]

That I thought about the other day while I was in the car with Corey. What? Just.

[Flip]

I was in the car with Cory.

[Joe Budden]

Corey put me on some type of Cory mission, and I didn't call my driver, so I guess we had to drive. And he thought that meant me driving. No, nigga, you drive. So Corey drive. I ain't been in a car with Corey since we was on tour. Really. Driving around, it was, like, refreshing to see that Corey still drives like Corey. Like, with reckless abandon. He don't give a fuck. He drives like a complete nut. And that's good to see if, like, it's nostalgic almost. It brings me back to tour and him falling asleep driving to wherever he was driving to. But it did beg the question, why do people use the crosswalk with confidence?

[Mel]

Because they're basically like, I dare you.

[Flip]

To fucking hit me.

[Joe Budden]

Up.

[Corey]

N s wanna case.

[Parks]

Especially in New York, they don't give a Fuck. If an 18 wheeler coming to New York, they stepping off the sidewalk like they don't give a fuck. Green, you stop.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, as a driver, I'm not even used to this crosswalk thing I grew up in. A sign or a stoplight is gonna stop this vehicle. Not some paint.

[Parks]

Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe that's some paint. So they paint and be driving and somebody walk just dead right out there and you slap my brain. Them got the nerve to get an attitude with you.

[Parks]

That's something like.

[Joe Budden]

Buddy, they act like the car would lose in a collision with them.

[Parks]

Yo, Tatum left.

[Joe Budden]

And I think that we could change that back. It's just gonna take for us to kill one of them. One of them got. One of them. Gotta die to change the whole view of crosswalks and how they act out there.

[Corey]

And it gotta be deaf because people want a case. If you just break their leg and their arm, they up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Corey]

I be hoping somebody hit me with a car in the crosswalk.

[Joe Budden]

No, we gotta end them. We gotta end. They're too pretentious.

[Parks]

Calling your brother?

[Joe Budden]

Yep. Yo, this stupid male question for you, because you're the only girl here, because you won't let us hire any more girls because you think we'll hire a girl is going to jump you?

[Mel]

Okay, I didn't say that, but okay, go ahead. What's the question?

[Joe Budden]

Corey, you're not on this show, and you don't have a mic, and you have to stop interrupting the broadcast. And. And again, I said this before this part started. We gotta allow people to be delusional. I'm not just gonna interrupt when niggas is delusional. Mel.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you were dating, if you were not dating, if you were together in a relationship with Jeff Bezos, would you expect him to be faithful?

[Mel]

Yeah. Yes, I would.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think that that is a reasonable expectation?

[Mel]

Yes, I do.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Mel]

Because if you didn't want to be. Are we talking about marriage here? Because he just got married.

[Joe Budden]

Slow down.

[Parks]

Y' all just together.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Y' all just together. Slow down.

[Parks]

Not married.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta be together before you get married.

[Parks]

Not dating y'. All. That's your boyfriend. Girl.

[Mel]

If we've had conversations around fidelity and this person has expressed, yes, I am intending to be faithful towards you. And then you're not, well, then that is more than just a character flaw. You're a fucking liar.

[Parks]

No, no, we're not. No conversation he didn't say. Just take what he said. You're with Jeff Bezos. Y' all are a couple. It ain't been. No. What you expect? Do you expect him to be faithful to you as your man?

[Mel]

Yes.

[Parks]

Okay, now why. And 100% honest?

[Mel]

Well, are we all 100% honest to our significant others?

[Joe Budden]

Yup.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Parks]

No, you just said, yo, he would be a liar, so. Which is a character flaw. So I'm just saying. So you not only expect him to be a hundred percent.

[Mel]

I was talking about. I was. I was literally talking about that. Like if you're asking a direct question, you know about something very specific. And that's the thing that they lie about. That's. That's really fucked up.

[Parks]

No, I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm just saying. But you.

[Mel]

I would, yes, expect him to be honest. I do not think that being extraordinarily wealthy gives you permission to just be self absorbed and selfish.

[Flip]

Is he paying all your bills?

[Mel]

I'm. I get. Is he paying all my bills?

[Parks]

Jeff Bezos? He's paying.

[Mel]

Yes. I feel like I've answered this question. I had literally answered the question. Like, my answer.

[Flip]

That's the bottom line.

[Mel]

You don't like my answer? My answer is, yes, I would. That would be my expectation.

[Corey]

I agree with Mel.

[Mel]

That's my expectation.

[Corey]

I think that's a reasonable expectation.

[Mel]

Yes, that's my expectation.

[Corey]

I stand with Mel on that. No, I think I want to hear.

[Joe Budden]

I want to hear from.

[Mel]

Go ahead, Mark.

[Corey]

I think it's reasonable to expect a person to be honest with you you're in a relationship with. I think it's what might be less reasonable is assuming that he wants to be faithful. So the conversation you have to have with him if he is that person is. You actually have to force that issue, but also be okay with the answer you don't want.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Corey]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mel]

I get that. And he asks the question, like, there wouldn't be follow up questions. I'm fucking me. I wouldn't just be like, oh, you're rich. Okay. Whatever comes with it. I don't give a fuck. Been there, done that. Got the T shirt, got sweats in it, sweat stains in it. Gave it to fucking Goodwill. Been there, done that.

[Corey]

The people I know who are in those situations.

[Flip]

Hold on, Vo.

[Parks]

Your Salvation army is different.

[Joe Budden]

Fuck you talking about? Your Goodwill is a different goodwill, my nigga.

[Parks]

You gave that Ralph Laurence shit to the Goodwill. This nigga got different shit.

[Corey]

Where you at.

[Flip]

I don't know what's unfair about this question. Is the person that we're asking not saying you, Mel, anything bad? I'm just saying, like, if we know anything about the. It's unfair to ask Mel that question.

[Corey]

Why?

[Flip]

Because if we based off of her answer, if we. It's just unfair.

[Corey]

Like, I think it's unfair. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask somebody. Do you expect to be able to trust your husband or your wife or whatever, Right? I think most people do it one of two ways. They either have the honest conversation or they do. Don't ask, don't tell, right? Like if I marry a billionaire, I'm just assuming he's fucking somebody else. I'm not gonna ask. And you go through that world, you know, and that's kinda what he was.

[Parks]

Saying, the expectation of.

[Joe Budden]

Of it.

[Parks]

Like, do you think he's gonna be faithful?

[Joe Budden]

Or.

[Corey]

But see, to me that's not about. You're right, the word faithful is throwing me off. Because to me, I don't want to equate faithful with non monogamous. With monogamous. You get what I'm saying? So, like, if he says, look, I'm gonna be outside, I'm gonna do what I do, but I'm gonna come home every night. Like Sammy Davis Jr. Used to say that. He said, I tell my wife, look, I love you, I'm gonna take care of you, but I'm an entertainer, baby. And I'm never gonna have an empty baby bed at night, right? She just accepted that when he was on the road, it was what it was.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta be.

[Parks]

Fucking.

[Joe Budden]

You talk. I mean, who can make this, yo?

[Corey]

But. But I wouldn't say he was unfaithful because he.

[Mel]

It's informed consent, right? Yeah, totally.

[Corey]

Or if she say, don't tell me, like Ray Charles wives, like, like, don't tell me, right? Don't. Just don't bring the role home.

[Parks]

You said it's what, Informed consent.

[Joe Budden]

What is that again?

[Parks]

I'm asking.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously?

[Mel]

Informed consent is where somebody presents a scenario to you rather than lying to you. They present the scenario of. This is my baseline. This is what? Like in the. Sammy Davis Jr. I'm never going to have an empty bed. And his wife was like, got it. Okay, cool. And she signed up for that. That's informed consent. Cheating would be he never has an empty bed, but he doesn't tell her and acts like he's not cheating.

[Joe Budden]

Would you leave Jeff Bezos if he cheated? Oh, God.

[Corey]

And do you have A predup.

[Joe Budden]

Because, I mean, I'll answer first. No, I wouldn't.

[Ish]

I thought you were answering for her.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm answering for.

[Parks]

He answered for him.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'd stay. Girl, how about you? You're now on the podcast.

[Parks]

I'mma keep it a buck. Stay with. They broke girlfriends for chees. We talking about my.

[Mel]

I'm sorry.

[Parks]

All of us have been cheated on in state. Well, I can speak to some of us.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

Have been cheated on in state.

[Flip]

Mel says she'll leave.

[Corey]

I never stayed.

[Joe Budden]

But they're not above it. They're not acknowledging her lies. All right, go ahead.

[Corey]

You said you. You said you would leave one of the richest people in the world if they cheated.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Corey]

Have you ever stayed with somebody who cheated?

[Mel]

Yes. So in the past, yeah.

[Corey]

You would never do that. Moving forward.

[Mel]

At this stage of my life, yes. Being with somebody. What are you fucking cheating for?

[Joe Budden]

That's a new question. That's a new question.

[Mel]

I'm fucking like. I'm sorry. I'm operating from this stage of my life and who I believe I would be entertain relationships with, if that's what you're doing. I have sorely misjudged you and you gotta go.

[Corey]

And all them billions.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, let me get them glasses.

[Corey]

No, no, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I wouldn't. You're better than me. I'm saying there's a lot of 30.

[Flip]

Year olds out there.

[Corey]

You know what? If my wife cheated now, I wouldn't.

[Mel]

Be with the fucking 30 year old.

[Parks]

Lynn is lying, man.

[Corey]

I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't leave anybody out if I chose to be with somebody. Like I said, I wouldn't leave my wife right now if she cheated.

[Joe Budden]

Probably.

[Corey]

You know what I mean? I ain't gonna lie to you. I wouldn't. You know what I mean? I hope she wouldn't. Just like I wouldn't. But you know what I mean, we neither of us cheat, but like, you know, she might leave. I wouldn't leave. You know what I mean? If she were Oprah, I wouldn't even consider. I wouldn't even pretend to leave. I wouldn't even slam a door.

[Joe Budden]

How do I know if it's Oprah?

[Parks]

How do I even know? You cheat.

[Joe Budden]

Cheated.

[Corey]

How about that?

[Parks]

Why y' all lying? Brain cheat.

[Flip]

Yo, lifestyle.

[Corey]

I'm happy.

[Mel]

No, no, no, I'm content.

[Parks]

We had this conversation a little while back and you said at this point you wouldn't leave. But I guess some things have changed.

[Flip]

I mean, People grow every day.

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Parks]

No, I said something changed every last couple months. I was about to ask.

[Flip]

No, that sucker.

[Parks]

What would you. What would really be your reason for cheating? Like, so, I mean, for leaving. So if you were happy in these other areas and nigga just got some side box, you'll just be like, yo, you violated our trust. So I'm out.

[Flip]

That's her line.

[Corey]

Everybody got their line.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

I'm asking Melissa.

[Flip]

Well, I'm answering for her.

[Mel]

And I know what you're talking about. I did say that. I did say that cheating wouldn't be a deal breaker at this age. You say, yeah, at this age.

[Flip]

She just be pardoned, bro. She just be pardoning, Nigga, we catch it in lies every day.

[Joe Budden]

I try to leave her alone.

[Flip]

She just be pardoning.

[Mel]

I wouldn't necessarily say that. It's a lie.

[Corey]

I don't think she's lying, man. Sometimes you just feel different.

[Mel]

I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say that. It's a lie.

[Flip]

What does that come with age?

[Corey]

Sometimes just. I mean, asking you sometimes if you.

[Flip]

Say something on the podcast. Exactly. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. Mark, I want to ask you a question. If I come here and say, yo, if my wife cheat on me, I'm not leaving, right. A month passed and I come on the same broadcast with the same people and say, if my wife cheated on me, I'm now leaving, do you attribute that? And what do you attribute that to? Like, something might transpire, change your mind.

[Corey]

Or sometimes you're conflicted. Like when I pointed out contradictions for you, you'll be like, that's just how I feel. Or I know I said that. I said this.

[Flip]

I mean, the only contradiction is for me to be facetious, but if it's not family related. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm sorry, hold on.

[Mel]

And the distinction here is marriage. I said that about marriage. He's talking about, am I in a relationship with this person? The distinction. Because I asked, are we married?

[Flip]

You did say that.

[Mel]

He kept asking, are we married? So if I've gone down the aisle, we've created a life, and now this person's cheated and what, we're 10 years in. Yeah, more likely than not, I'm going to take some serious consideration again, like, I'm not going to be like, yeah, absolutely, I'm fucking out the door. No, I would not be that easily.

[Joe Budden]

You know, so you're not pressed to put any cheating clauses in a prenup or Any compensation packages? No.

[Corey]

I don't want no prenup.

[Parks]

It's about love.

[Corey]

It's about love.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I guess we should start there. Because I don't know if you want a prenup and we're not interviewing you. I'll be done with my line of questioning.

[Mel]

When it comes to people of high net worth, there's always going to be a prenup, woman or man.

[Corey]

What if they put it on you? Do you want a prenup, yes or no?

[Mel]

Yes.

[Corey]

You want one?

[Mel]

Yes.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Mel]

Yes, I do.

[Flip]

Nice.

[Joe Budden]

So if you marry Jeff Bezos, you.

[Mel]

Want a prenup, there's going to be a prenup?

[Corey]

No, but the question was, if it were put on you, if you were the decider of said prenup between you and Jeff Bezos, that word soup shit.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T always work, girl.

[Corey]

What would you say?

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes you're faced with a direct question. It's tough. I know.

[Corey]

All right, Mel, let's do it. If that's like Campbell's, I'm Jeff Bezos.

[Flip]

That's like Campbell's.

[Corey]

Good. I'm Jeff Bezos. Mel, do you want a prenup before we get married? It's up to you.

[Joe Budden]

What are you thinking about?

[Parks]

Where are you looking at?

[Flip]

Leave her alone.

[Parks]

What's in here, man?

[Mel]

I guess I just. It's because you're presenting the most ludicrous scenario that you want me to answer. And that's fucking weird to me. You know what I'm saying? It's weird. In no world. New universe.

[Corey]

Fair enough. Let's say it's not Jeff Bezos. Let's say it's Jeff Martinez, who's worth $10 million. And he said again, melissa, do you want the prenup?

[Parks]

I pre dumped your ass.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's. That's her answer.

[Parks]

Leave alone. Yes.

[Flip]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. Hey, I'm done. Done. There we go. I'm done.

[Parks]

Oprah says, big ish. You want a prenup?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

I mean, not really, but it's up to you, girl. I don't think we need no prenup. I don't ever see this. Anyway, it's our final decision. But if you asking me, I don't think we need that. It ain't even necessary.

[Joe Budden]

Because of Bezos's prenup they spoke about in the news last week. They said it's ironclad. Hundreds of pages. All the best lawyers in the world drafted this up. Yeah, you get. If I cheat, you get a Happy Meal. You get.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Let me add another layer, though.

[Mel]

She's getting a lot.

[Corey]

Let's assume prenups are like, everybody gonna do a prenup to Mel. Because I think Mel's right. Nobody with any money, that kind of money. What if they say, I want you to do NDA? Are you. Do you do the NDA?

[Parks]

What are the terms of the NDA, though?

[Mel]

You can never write a tell all.

[Corey]

You can never talk about our relationship, you can never talk about me, our relationship. If we separate, you can't say anything about me or this relationship compensation package attached to that because that's the end run. The real reason I'm asking is that's the end run. Off and around. The prenup is I'll sign a prenup, but I'm not signing NDA. And when I get out, I'm gonna.

[Parks]

Write this book and make $40 million from it. And as I said, is there a conversation pattern?

[Corey]

My homeboy did that.

[Parks]

Cause. All right, he a rat.

[Corey]

It's my cousin. I ain't gonna say which cousin, but he was dating. He's a rat. He's not from Philly, oddly enough. He's from Jersey. You probably know he.

[Joe Budden]

Matter of fact, I don't know no rats. Go ahead.

[Corey]

He was dating this, a very, very well known singer, and she moved him out, flew him out to la, let him live there. He quit his job, he did all this shit. And then after like two months, she was done with this nigga and she put him out. And it was her crib, her house, her car, all this shit. And he was looking like a bum, but he was like, I need some money. She was like, fuck off. And he was like, say less. I'm about to write. He went and got an agent the next day and was about to write a book, and then she broke him off so that he wouldn't write. And so the NDA was the way to get around that. And I'm seeing a lot more people do that now. And this was a dude, you know, I don't know if I married somebody the same way. I couldn't imagine doing a prenup for me and my situation. I couldn't imagine asking my significant other to do an NDA. But if you're a public figure, it's something you got to think about. You're a public figure. You're super famous. Would you. Would you do an NDA? Would you ask for NDA from your partner?

[Joe Budden]

Would I ask for in marriage? Let her go write a little book, man. Go ahead. All right. Get your little book on off. Girl, if I'm doing a prenup, I'm doing India.

[Corey]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing it.

[Corey]

Some people don't even think about that.

[Parks]

Yeah, this is a first for me. I never heard that people do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man, you ain't thought about none of the that come with marriage yet. NDA.

[Parks]

I've never thought of an NDA. I. I always trying to make be.

[Joe Budden]

Funny and I'm being for real for you.

[Corey]

Hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

That's funny.

[Corey]

You pretend it's not, but it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you know it is.

[Parks]

You know what he doing, but that's not. I didn't know people have NDAs for their marriages. I didn't know that.

[Joe Budden]

Do you know the guys wear tuxes and the girl you'll never see.

[Flip]

Stop it, man.

[Parks]

Like, I'm fine.

[Flip]

Why you doing to my man? Yo?

[Parks]

He not doing nothing to me.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, you see.

[Parks]

I don't like that. They just fuck around, be married already.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mel]

That is entirely possible. Mm.

[Flip]

He does this Blink shit, yo. Blink one of these two.

[Corey]

It's thinking, fuck y'.

[Parks]

All.

[Corey]

I don't give a fuck about y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Parks]

I don't even. Yeah, I ain't listening to that shit.

[Joe Budden]

We just don't give a fuck about us.

[Corey]

Freeze, you do an NDA for the marriage?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Parks]

Would you do a prenup if you.

[Flip]

Were.

[Parks]

Like super, super, super famous and up there? It makes sense things would change. If I'm up there, I ain't up there.

[Joe Budden]

So he. When you get married, are you going to dye your beard? No, I'm being serious.

[Ish]

Or shaving?

[Parks]

No Freezes. She don't want me. I'm shaving my beard.

[Flip]

Freeze is a lover, man. Like he. You have everything. What's. That's. That's his intro to love. What's mine is yours.

[Corey]

You got.

[Flip]

He's a.

[Parks]

He's a lover.

[Flip]

He don't give a about none of that. He don't want you to go. He watches your every move. He got the air tags on your car. He don't want you to do nothing. Have all my.

[Ish]

Freeze don't share a charger, man.

[Parks]

You don't.

[Ish]

You get your own.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Flip]

That comp. That confidence that you have of being a lover, like being out there, does that make you feel away? Like, you know, cuz your going to laugh. So many going to laugh at. You look at it different, right?

[Parks]

I don't look at anything differently. I don't could laugh.

[Flip]

Got you. You just Feel like you just. I'm just. I just love what I love and just me. I give my.

[Parks]

I like it don't bother me.

[Joe Budden]

All right, cool, man. I'm this and that. I ain't got nothing else for y'. All.

[Flip]

You a lover too.

[Joe Budden]

My I with my heart on my sleeve. I thought I said that last part.

[Flip]

You said that, but you don't. Your come with your heart on your sleeve is a little bit different.

[Parks]

Just your sleeve.

[Joe Budden]

Justice League all over. Anywhere it can be attached. I wear my heart everywhere. You know not to make me the best man at your. Your wife will cry.

[Parks]

That speech gonna be one of them.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna set a record. I'm spilling it. I'm spilling it all. You don't have nothing to spill. Your glasses mad empty. I'm spilling it. I remember who I first met. Boy, the times people don't like him. Hey, once I hit that boy, the times you just. You should go to the start calling.

[Parks]

Years out, I think it was.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

N start looking at you. No, I'm not.

[Flip]

It's just that pressure though. Like when we talk about marriage and talk about things with your girl. Cause she watches the pod. Do y' all have those conversations? Like say if we come up here and we talk about your itch when you get married and shit like that, does that add any pressure? Does she talk to you about it?

[Joe Budden]

Cuz he already married him.

[Flip]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

For real?

[Flip]

That's interesting.

[Parks]

N. Somebody might make a comment or some, like what.

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Parks]

What they was talking about with such and such. I explained it. That be it. But no, that's com. Like, that's easy to understand. No.

[Corey]

That'S one thing. If it were actual issue in your life, it may double down. But if it's not an issue that you're dealing with, then it doesn't. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying.

[Corey]

Cuz if like, like if every day you were getting pressure to get married and then people on the show like, why you not married? Then that.

[Parks]

Could that be different? It's possible.

[Corey]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

But some people get influenced by comments and reading and watching it. If that's true. If one of my wife friends hear me say something on the podcast and it gets to her ears, even if I didn't have an issue with it, she's gonna ask me about it.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Discuss this with me. Now me, I'm like, man, I don't.

[Parks]

Have to tell her.

[Joe Budden]

Refer to the tag.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's performance. That shit don't work all the time. That don't work all the time, that performance.

[Corey]

Getting that shit off. It's crazy. I'm impressed. Yeah, that wouldn't work in my house.

[Flip]

No, it. It don't work. It don't work to the.

[Parks]

The unmarried ones, do y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Parks]

Who's the person that, if they stood up to give a speech at your wedding, you'd be like, oh, I know everybody got one. Like, if that person stand up and it's like this thing about to do some.

[Joe Budden]

I shouldn't have no exes at my wedding, so. Be safe on that front. Be safe on that front. No, you just get a little nervous, that's all.

[Corey]

Just a little.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this what this gonna say?

[Flip]

Yeah, it's a lot of people.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I thought about having the first best manless wedding anyway, so. Hey. Oh, you reaching for a M. Yeah. My baby mom last week text me, said, yo, she text me some about our son that we love and then was like, yo, and send that money for swimming or therapy or whatever. The. She said, I don't know, dubbed that shit swimming.

[Parks]

That's how she talked to you.

[Joe Budden]

The next day, she hit me about whatever we was talking about. Loving our kid. I hit a bat. We had that talk fault. As soon. As soon as it ended, she talking about something, and I, I. I said something about that money, so.

[Corey]

Ah.

[Joe Budden]

I laugh for so long. Don't you forget that money now. Send that. Yeah, ain't gonna be no best man. You can sit. Sit down right at table eight. Hey, all you jokesters, I put y' all at the same little table. Crack it up. Got some more dirge coming, huh?

[Corey]

How many groomsmen you gonna have?

[Joe Budden]

Groomsmen?

[Corey]

Yeah. You either gotta have a very small number for you, I think, or a very big number.

[Joe Budden]

No, it ain't gonna be a lot of people. It ain't gonna be a lot.

[Corey]

Otherwise, you gotta make cuts, you know? I mean, there's a homie who thinks he's in the top four.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's why I don't even want. Yeah. I'm not a groomsman. Oh, brother.

[Mel]

I've been to something called a gentleman's wedding.

[Joe Budden]

I thought that you've been to something. You know what? Go ahead.

[Parks]

What is that?

[Mel]

It was where there was 14 groomsmen, and she had a matron of honor, and that was it. Huh.

[Corey]

That's interesting.

[Mel]

I think she fucking made it up.

[Corey]

My frat brother, my line brother, he had. He had about. He Definitely had double digit groomsmen, but his wife, I guess she had like maybe three or four now that you mentioned it. But I thought that. I didn't really think about it more. And again, it was hard to make the cut. Like if you cut it down to one, you'd be like, I'm taking my brother or I'm taking my best friend. When you get to four or five, it's like my space. You get that top eight, people start feeling the weight. You can accept I've been in the top four. But like, if you make a top eight, top ten, you start feeling like, I ain't one of you.

[Parks]

I ain't one of your ten.

[Corey]

Right. Like, damn. That's where it get tough.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't know if I want to see a whole bunch of niggas on my side at the wedding.

[Ish]

I was deep. I had 10 or 12. I forget. It was a lot hard to make. That's what she did.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You had a lot. At least I looked from the audience. Yeah.

[Ish]

Huh?

[Corey]

Said people like, you heard.

[Joe Budden]

I told you I didn't ask.

[Flip]

Hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Ish]

I told you why I didn't ask you to wait.

[Joe Budden]

But I didn't say a word.

[Corey]

I wanted to ask if he was one, but I want to make it awkward. Why, why, why wasn't he one?

[Ish]

Because there's that activities and things you have to do as a groomsman that I thought there would be. He wouldn't. He wasn't going to want to do that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying it looked beautiful from where I was seated. Nose bleeds.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

I had a up spot at. At Park's wedding, cuz I was in the back trying to be low, but Preem and showbiz and them niggas was in the back. Preem kept asking me to come take pictures of him and the old school niggas.

[Parks]

Yeah, you young, right?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say no to Pre yet. So I just kept running over there. All right. Then the old niggas want to check the pictures. Take it again. It's like, then they missed the wedding. Damn, that little. You getting the first invite to my wedding.

[Mel]

Am I?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

You and Daisy.

[Corey]

Plus ones, huh? Are you doing plus ones for sure?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, definitely.

[Ish]

That's where all the fun happens. The plus one, that's for the chaos. Throw a little chaos in the mix.

[Joe Budden]

Plus one. I'll be mad when we doing the part and I look over to the kitchen and see somebody plus. Oh, I can imagine my face at.

[Corey]

A wedding plus ones is tough.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What else do we want to talk about? I want to congratulate Westside Gun on his collaboration with Sakone. Them Sacone shits with the crab on the side. Ratchet. The red joints look absolutely fire.

[Ish]

I didn't even see him.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations. Big move. He just continues to bring break barriers. He's got a wrestling company. He's got all types of so. Shout out to west side Gun. That sneaker does look hard. It does look hard. What else? What else needs our attention in music? Music. Anything in music. I know we just been sitting here shooting. The last night was a underwhelming, underwhelming release night.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was. It wasn't really too much, so I.

[Parks]

Said Rocky put a single out.

[Ish]

Interesting choice for first single. Very, like, down tempo.

[Joe Budden]

Cool. Is that Rocky going? If Rihanna ain't as cool as she was before him, wait till I hear Rihanna song that's not on the soundtrack.

[Parks]

You're not gonna hear that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I am either. Yeah, I don't think I am.

[Parks]

I'm taking the budget. All right, I'll do the. Give y' all a little record over there. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't listen to.

[Parks]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see much that dropped, so.

[Ish]

Yeah, J dropped a four pack. A lot of rapping. A lot of rapping. It's cool. A lot of rapping. Him and Eminem got a song on there. It's just like 100 plus bps. A lot. A lot of rapping. A lot of rapping.

[Corey]

Did y' all shout out El Cool J for his. His public stance?

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. Wow.

[Corey]

On the welcome to America festivals in Philly, Cool J, public, he said he's not shown to the concert. He's not performing because the world. The workers are on strike, and he's not gonna cross the picket line.

[Flip]

So just salute to LL for staying.

[Corey]

In solidarity with the workers.

[Parks]

That's actually. That's dope.

[Corey]

It's super dope. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

Well, when you take them stances, so when you up, you can take them.

[Corey]

I'm about to say it's a little bit easier.

[Joe Budden]

Easy. Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Probably a. Want to go anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Busy summer playing anyway. Not too big of a deal.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, real, real quick, Debbie speaking about, I went to Rock the Bells the other day, right? And my first time seeing a lot of these perform on stage. But mop. The crowd went crazy for Mop. Yo, they kind of me up. I know.

[Corey]

Listen, they big and rap.

[Flip]

They would. No, because I never saw them perform.

[Joe Budden]

They got, like, classics.

[Flip]

No, I'm just saying, the crowd you.

[Corey]

Saw in New York, you produce.

[Flip]

Yeah. So the producer. No, listen, what I'm saying. When I met them, yo, you. I went viral with Junior because of their record. And they said we just saw that it was. But I had to let them know, like, yo, y' all fire. For real. I'm sorry.

[Ish]

Can we flip for the rest of the day? I mean, I'd love that you're supporting. I'm just shocked that you're shocked that it won't.

[Flip]

I just didn't.

[Corey]

Yo, wait till you hear about Run dmc, yo.

[Flip]

No, no, no, no, no. You want to be funny?

[Ish]

There's this group called Mobb Deep.

[Flip]

Yo, yo. No, listen, I'm talking about when you. Cause there's a lot of other performances that happened that nobody really got up for. That's what I mean. The whole crowd got up. People perform. I don't want to say it, but people perform when are just sitting there. But when Mop performed, I was just impressed. Like, oh, shit. The whole crowd got up and mashed out. Walking down. Yeah, I was impressed by it.

[Ish]

They're amazing.

[Joe Budden]

So I keep talking about the Caribbeans that are making their bones. The culture, but don't really know about the culture like that. I keep saying that when the last you got choked. Keeps getting overlooked.

[Flip]

When the last you got choked.

[Joe Budden]

You don't know about culturally.

[Flip]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

You are culturally inappropriate. Huh?

[Flip]

I don't know about Mop before I'm going.

[Joe Budden]

Keep it real.

[Flip]

Annie up and all that. I didn't know about them before that, to be honest. So I'm out of line. I wasn't in touch, really.

[Joe Budden]

But I have to go back to a world. No disrespect to a you. We have to go back to a.

[Flip]

World, but this is disrespecting me. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Those people that didn't know just shut the up. If I'm dead now, they could say, yo, you know what?

[Flip]

Get up, yo, get up, Mop.

[Ish]

They're good.

[Joe Budden]

Not the word. Not the word. Music. There's a lot of.

[Flip]

There's a lot of people I grew.

[Corey]

Up on when they perform.

[Flip]

The crowd at the Prudential center did not respond as excited for you when Mop performed. Oh, Junior, look. I recorded I'm like coming down the stairs. I said is lit.

[Joe Budden]

All right, stop.

[Flip]

Watch your mouth. I know Mop when they got signed to Rockefeller. And then when G Unit, I Listen. That's the time I was listening to Fame.

[Ish]

What up, Billy? What up, tough?

[Flip]

You don't like to teach. You don't have to make fun of. And if I feel away after this come out. I'm throwing subs at you on Twitter.

[Ish]

Rest in peace, Fox.

[Flip]

Swear to God, I'm doing the spaces about you.

[Joe Budden]

Your subs don't mean nothing if you don't know Mop. Like subs hurt to me when knew Mop the mob. I know Gangstar. If you don't know those people, then.

[Flip]

Shit don't mean nothing.

[Corey]

You know them people. You know Gangstar, right? I do. Okay, cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I do.

[Flip]

What?

[Joe Budden]

No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Corey]

Can you name two Gangstar songs?

[Flip]

No.

[Corey]

Keenan won.

[Flip]

No.

[Corey]

Okay, they did it.

[Flip]

No, hold on. They came back.

[Corey]

But you've heard of. You just heard the word gang and star in a sentence before.

[Flip]

No, no, no. You being funny again.

[Corey]

No, I'm riding. I got you.

[Joe Budden]

But you could name two John Cena songs quick.

[Flip]

It's happened now.

[Corey]

Oh, my God. You know more John Cena than Gangstar.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

Then Gangster come out again. They had a record that I forgot. No, that's Miles and South Star. My fault, yo. All right, man.

[Corey]

That's disrespectful.

[Ish]

Please, can we unplug his bike?

[Corey]

That was crazy. Hold on. That was wild, bro.

[Flip]

Somebody passed away from Gangster.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, check on your own. Don't go. Yeah, you can research on Flip the network time.

[Flip]

See, watch your come back with your finding things.

[Joe Budden]

Like, we would love to hear from you.

[Flip]

Why would you make fun of your man if I say that? If. If I was impressed.

[Joe Budden]

I'm shocked that you, me and you and I became friends.

[Ish]

What did y' all talk about?

[Joe Budden]

Damn, that's.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

All right, my fault. All right, you. Man, that is mean.

[Parks]

Yeah, you know, you gotta close out with some emotions.

[Joe Budden]

Mop.

[Parks]

For this guy, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Help him out a little bit. A little bit.

[Flip]

I feel away. I feel away.

[Parks]

You should.

[Flip]

It's okay.

[Joe Budden]

We got about eight more hours before close out.

[Corey]

Don't worry about it.

[Joe Budden]

We're good.

[Parks]

I'm just saying before we do though, you got.

[Joe Budden]

You got.

[Parks]

You got to get him, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Yeah, cuz then you going to say, I know this.

[Flip]

I know Gangstar is now my fault. I slip my. Of course I do. Why you even say that, Paul? Why you set me up like that?

[Ish]

I ain't set you up.

[Flip]

You want Ian to be upset at me?

[Joe Budden]

Please, I ain't gonna Lie. My boy Mark has made a lot of money since this Diddy verdict has gotten announced. I was gonna toss it to you. Cause I know we had the discussion without you to see if you had anything you wanted to say. But since the verdict has been announced, Mark has been on an absolute live stream tear. Because I support Mark Lamont. I clicked in one of them ships. I wasn't in there for more than three seconds before I seen some named Doug send up 24.99 marks on my. Oh, thanks so much, brother.

[Parks]

You have no idea how much.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, brother. And as he was thanking Doug, another little ching Ching, Papa. 5.99. Oh, thank you so much, Sister Lamont. Yeah, Me and her work together at the ministry. Some of the youth houses we went around to speak to. Then it was another chang ching. I was like, yo, this is just sitting here.

[Parks]

You have no idea how much this sincerely means to me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, with that humble face.

[Parks]

You got a spill.

[Joe Budden]

What's your spiel?

[Corey]

I don't have a spiel, man. I'm just grateful to the people, man. No, you have independent black media, man.

[Flip]

There's a lot of people Your, too. 11,000. 12. 12,000.

[Corey]

You count?

[Parks]

Damn.

[Flip]

Yeah, I did. I have to.

[Corey]

Oh, you don't.

[Flip]

I am. I am.

[Corey]

I ain't mad at it. Look, I don't.

[Flip]

I'm looking at the numbers.

[Corey]

It's not about the numbers.

[Joe Budden]

Who they are. You don't know who they are. Like, yeah, just doing your job.

[Corey]

I'm just doing my. It's about the message.

[Parks]

Giving the message to the people that.

[Joe Budden]

Do you want to speak about the justice that was served?

[Corey]

You know, I've had more time in the last 48 hours to, like, look at the details of the case and to think about it more. And I'm just as conflicted as I was before, but in a different way. You know, I believe that he met the legal standard for guilty for all of them. I still do. And the more I look, the more I feel that way. But I also hate the RICO thing. Right. Like I said weeks ago, like, that's an overreach. It's used to get the wrong people. It was meant for the Mafia. It wasn't meant for this. Ultimately, do I think he's guilty of the prostitution crime? Of course. I mean, I think that was easy. We all said that was like, the layup. That was the easy one. But now he's looking at potentially 20 years for that as an abolitionist. I don't even think prostitution should be illegal. So I Damn sure don't think somebody should be getting 20 years as a Virgo.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think it should be illegal.

[Parks]

As a horny person, as a man's a man.

[Corey]

So I'm in this place where. And this is why I don't like the prison as the measure of accountability. That's why I don't. This is why I'm largely against prisons, because Diddy needs a lot of accountability. He needs do a lot of repair. He's hurt a lot of people. He's harmed a lot of people. But putting him in prison for 20 years for prostitution, potentially as max to me, doesn't even address the people he harmed. So I'm in this place where if they gave him time served or a year and a day, he basically came home. That wouldn't feel like justice to people. And I get that, because I get that. Why wouldn't. But him sitting in a cage for 20 years also doesn't look like justice to me. So to me, this is one of the situations where I just don't know what justice looks like. I don't know what winning looks like. And part of the problem is because the state did what the state does, which is that it overreaches, it criminalizes. You know, it takes what could be civil problems. It makes them criminal. It does all these things, and they become the decider of what justice is. And clearly, as we saw in this case, one, they didn't do a very good job, and two, they're not good deciders. So, yeah, I don't have any answers as much as say, I'm just. I hate all of it, and I'm conflicted by all of it, you know?

[Joe Budden]

All right, so in better words, free the homie.

[Corey]

I ain't saying that.

[Joe Budden]

That's what you're saying. The homie's free.

[Corey]

He's neither the homie nor free.

[Flip]

You had his number? Deleting his number?

[Corey]

No, I delete his number. I need. Delete his number. We ain't talking about. Anyway, just making sure.

[Parks]

Oh, he might have something to say to you.

[Corey]

No, he got something to say to T. Did y' all see T?

[Mel]

Please.

[Corey]

Oh, y. Okay. I was like that.

[Flip]

He.

[Corey]

He said, I don't even want him in jail. I'm an abolitionist. You ain't never been abolitionist. Now, now, everybody out.

[Flip]

Ab.

[Corey]

Abolitionist line. He don't want that smoke.

[Joe Budden]

You know, Tori said it was just journalism. He was just covering, right? Covering the story.

[Corey]

He said, I don't have an investment in who wins or who loses. I didn't care if he was guilty or innocent. I'm like, like, did you. 18 months ago, he was like, he's guilty. He needs to be guilty. He needs to be in the jail forever.

[Flip]

He spoke highly about you, Torre.

[Corey]

Yeah, it's my man I'm fucking with. I already texted him to fuck with him about. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's my guy. I mean, we're actual friends in real life, but he's still shook right now. He's still ducking that smoke. I already teased him about it.

[Joe Budden]

You think there's a world where puffs start pulling up on people? That he did. He didn't like the commentary 1000%.

[Corey]

Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a world where that happens.

[Parks]

You better keep going to the gym.

[Joe Budden]

I'll be in the gym regardless. Just because health is wealth. Okay, well, whatever.

[Parks]

No, I'm just saying, he gonna be in there for a year. He in shape. Listen, you might. You might need to win.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, they can keep me out of it. I don't want nothing to do with nothing. The Internet just, like, trying to put me in shit so they could tear me down. I'm cool. Joe, say something. I can't believe you said something.

[Corey]

Who the is here to say something?

[Joe Budden]

Nope. I don't have an opinion on what was the overall storage. When the storage broke, I came away and said, hey, listen to podcasts, boy, they tore me up when I said, are you scared? I was just trying to tell people, hey, they get tablets, you know.

[Corey]

They just thought he wasn't coming home. Getting confident, cuz. They was like, you know, I don't give a. He here. I say what I want to say.

[Joe Budden]

That too. What y' all gonna do when he. When he come home? In the event that they don't lock him up forever, I said, oh, this. But I don't think he comes home on. I don't. I think he comes home to continue to do the work or start to do the work if he didn't.

[Corey]

I hope so.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I do think that.

[Corey]

But that. That pull up on to RA could have been read two ways. It could have been read as, hey, brother, there's really nothing to worry or threat, particularly since you could have just not said anything.

[Parks]

I know what you said.

[Corey]

Right.

[Parks]

It got back to me, and I'm letting. This is my way of letting you know that I know.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

That's all.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Old school gangster.

[Corey]

That is old school gangster. That's what I'm saying. It didn't make me feel like he's on the road to recovery. When I heard this, I was like, oh, he's stopping.

[Parks]

Much love.

[Corey]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Yep.

[Parks]

Love, brother.

[Corey]

Tell that brother brother there's no beef between us.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Much love.

[Corey]

Oh, man.

[Parks]

So you don't feel anything.

[Flip]

Needs to.

[Parks]

Be expounded upon with regards to how you feel? Say more outside of just the. The prison. You don't believe it belongs in prison, but you don't really believe that he should have been not held accountable.

[Corey]

The problem is I don't believe the prison can ever hold people accountable.

[Parks]

Okay, gotcha, Gotcha.

[Corey]

You know what I mean? So the question for me was, if I were the juror, what would I decide?

[Parks]

If they gave him three years, I.

[Corey]

Could live, you would think that was fair? Yeah. Okay. That sounds about right.

[Parks]

Got you. Gotcha, Gotcha.

[Corey]

Anything more than three, to be honest, if I were the judge right now, I would give him a year and a day on each count.

[Parks]

On each one?

[Corey]

Yeah. Like. Yeah.

[Parks]

So consecutive?

[Corey]

Not consecutive. Yeah, or two years. So whatever. Like, he would do two years. He would have already done one and I'd do it.

[Joe Budden]

I just.

[Corey]

I just.

[Parks]

Would you have given him a bail.

[Mel]

If you would have, Josh, what would be the point?

[Corey]

Would I give him a bail? That's an interesting. Again, I don't really believe in bail.

[Joe Budden]

That's why.

[Corey]

That's what I say. As me. Yeah, I gave him bail.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Corey]

The only time I think bail should be used, honestly, is if someone's a flight risk or a risk to harm people. Now, you could argue that he is, but the problem with that is he wasn't found guilty of that. So now you're using the law for something he didn't. You know what I mean? You can't say, well, he blew up Cudi's car, so you can't let him out. He didn't. Legally, he didn't blow up Cuddy's car.

[Parks]

So that's a good point. And I've even thought about that. In the very beginning of the case, you can say, yo, he's a potential harm to people. But now that the case has been adjudicated, you can't say, yo, dawg, he's a harm to people, because he has. That's a good one.

[Corey]

But here's what the judge said about that. But here's what the judge said about that real quick. The judge said in the trial, he's also already admit, even though he wasn't charged with it, he admitted to being violent. And these things in the testimony that the defense even conceded that. But that's a slippery slope in a very dangerous.

[Parks]

Because that's saying basically, if you give him a year and a day.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

That 367th day, if you held him based on the fact that he is violent and commit these acts, I mean, could potentially commit these acts that don't stop on the 380.

[Corey]

And that's where the state will rely on the lie that they're trying to use. Rehabilitative. That if we put him in jail for a year, he'll be corrected and then he'll come out okay. But we can't let him out until we fix him. And prisons don't fix nobody.

[Parks]

That's a contradiction.

[Corey]

But that's the argument that they're gonna make. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

So you said, what would be the point in him getting bail?

[Mel]

Well, I mean, like, if he's going to be sentenced to go to jail anyways.

[Corey]

You've been to jail?

[Flip]

I've been. Yeah.

[Mel]

Well, no, not jail. Well, wait, hold on.

[Corey]

Maybe jail. Yeah. Well, my point is, if you after, after a year of. Of jail or prison, I promise you, if somebody say a year, you out to October.

[Parks]

After a week sitting in a room, what, a year after four days. And somebody said, yo, you could go home for four months, but you might have to come back 16 minutes.

[Mel]

We were literally talking about the fact that they're moving sentence sentencing up to this. This month. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So that has not been decided.

[Parks]

That has not been decided.

[Joe Budden]

There's a hearing where October still the official date?

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mel]

So that's the only. That's the only reason why I was. What I was basing it off, not for anything else, but again, even if.

[Corey]

It were next week, bro, if they.

[Parks]

Told me, yo, you going to get a new bail hearing at the end of July. This is the beginning of July. Send me the home where I could get some real food and hug my kids and do all of the other things that. Yeah, like what are we talking about, Mel?

[Joe Budden]

You get a call from an unknown number tomorrow? No.

[Parks]

Prison slash jail. That's what they say on the cell phones now.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, I ain't saying it's Puff. I'm saying it's an associate calling you saying that upon release, Hot and Bothered is the very first place that Puff wants to stop to give his. How he's feeling, his state of mind, what he's thinking. Actually, he's not sure he'll even do any more interviews. But he wants to stop at Hot and Bothered to get this out.

[Corey]

That's possible.

[Joe Budden]

Your questions up Here, they're tough. I ain't gonna lie. For some reason, questions up here are tough.

[Mel]

That's not an easy question for me to answer honestly.

[Flip]

Really?

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It's not an easy question for you to answer honestly or not an easy question for you to answer?

[Joe Budden]

That's a punctuation. Super important.

[Mel]

It's not easy for me to answer a question for me to answer comma, honestly.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

That was funny.

[Corey]

Well played, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Good one. Should we come back to you?

[Mel]

Yeah, come back to me.

[Joe Budden]

Flip.

[Flip]

Know my answer.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, are you?

[Parks]

What? Yo, you know what? Can we pick him up?

[Flip]

So we come back?

[Joe Budden]

Jr. JR Would be right there. To Junior. Nico. Nah. No, nah, I'm cool, Mark.

[Corey]

Well, I think, given our new situation, I have some say in this.

[Joe Budden]

Cause.

[Corey]

I get a little percentage of that interview. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

You would want the interview to get.

[Corey]

Done if it's on this network, I need it to get done.

[Joe Budden]

I got bills to pay.

[Corey]

But if he said, mark, I want you to be the person to do it, I mean, I'd be a little nervous as a setup, man.

[Parks]

You gonna dust that suit on?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yes.

[Corey]

The answer is yes. Wait, Nervous as I'm not intending to deliberate.

[Mel]

Wait. Nervous as a setup. What's the setup? What's the setup?

[Ish]

Ass whooping.

[Corey]

Yeah. I've been critical enough of Puff that I would be worried that if two guys pulled up in the limo, like, hey, we'll take you to the interview, I might end up like Joe Pesci again.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Mel]

Like, you know, and that's what's so funny, is that everybody has the same idea that cross him, and then there's repercussions and consequences.

[Corey]

Yeah. Now, I haven't crossed him. Just to be clear in case anybody listen. I haven't crossed him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't think nobody got the idea. I think that some people just.

[Mel]

We're literally. We were literally just discussing it, like, three seconds ago in reference to Torre and. And who else? Whoever else out about him.

[Flip]

Yeah, they made a joke about it.

[Corey]

I'm teasing.

[Mel]

But it's something that has. It's been a personality.

[Corey]

But it did not cross my mind.

[Mel]

Idea for a very long time.

[Corey]

It did not cross. But I wasn't worried about nothing crazy happening. If anything, if Puff had Asia something. I said he would. He would tell me privately. We would be in a private space, and it would be dealt with whatever way it got dealt with. But. Okay.

[Parks]

You'll be happy.

[Corey]

He's the same as. Yeah, I. I'd be like glass Joe. Remember Mike Tyson?

[Flip]

Put Joe.

[Corey]

I'll be right in line. Right behind stairs. Dukes. Nah. But yeah, I would do the interview. I think as a journalist, I feel like, who better? Yeah. Somebody's gotta ask tough questions.

[Parks]

And somebody from our culture.

[Corey]

Yeah, that would be my concern. There are people who I wouldn't. But he would be somebody I would.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Corey]

There's things I wanna know and I'm not confident that someone else will ask em.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Parks]

Now they tell you, don't ask us A, B, C, D, then I'm out. Got it.

[Corey]

I'm probably out.

[Parks]

Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Did you decide it yet?

[Mel]

Yeah. Under the same circumstances, if I was not hobbled by. Not by. You can't ask this, you can't ask that, then yes, there would be some extraordinarily hard questions that I would want answers to. But if I was told that there was limitations. Absolutely not. I had. I would have zero interest.

[Corey]

Even if you KNEW you get 50 million views.

[Mel]

Yes.

[Corey]

Because you would. I respect that. Both of y'. All. Y' all both have way more integrity than I do.

[Joe Budden]

Even with all the things.

[Corey]

I'll be doing a Harlem shake in.

[Joe Budden]

Even with all the danger that he's caused to women out there.

[Mel]

Those would be my hard hitting questions. My. That would be primarily all my questions.

[Joe Budden]

But would you be afraid as a woman?

[Mel]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Corey]

Get security, bring the bear, have Flip up there.

[Flip]

No, I'm not gonna be.

[Corey]

You wanna go to one day?

[Flip]

No.

[Corey]

You said no, I would go.

[Mel]

Thank you. I appreciate that. No, I don't think that I would be fearful.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all up? Puff.

[Parks]

Hey, yo, Puff.

[Joe Budden]

Girl, what happened? I was in the bathroom.

[Corey]

I guess I gotta do the interview now.

[Flip]

Come to Nightcap.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, welcome to night school. And I'm bullshit. I don't think. Like I said, I think Puff is coming out to do some work.

[Corey]

I hope so.

[Joe Budden]

I think he's coming out to do some work. You sit that long, you hear a judge deny you a $50 million bail package, you throw yourself in these situations where money and status. Status don't really help you start to appreciate things differently.

[Parks]

I agree.

[Corey]

But what does he look like to you? I agree with all that. What does he look like two years from now? Because sometimes people feel like that year.

[Mel]

One and then that feeling wears off.

[Joe Budden]

Bounce back.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Mel]

Everything wears off, though.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Now you feel untouchable then.

[Corey]

And that's what I'm saying. Because if I was him, I might.

[Joe Budden]

Feel real good about myself right now.

[Parks]

Bro, that's not.

[Joe Budden]

How could you not? How could you not feel good about yourself?

[Parks]

But you still. But you still recognize the two years he'll be.

[Joe Budden]

You still recognize the power then Shorty doo wop. Which is part of what the problem is.

[Corey]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

Is that how America feels about DV is different from how America wants people to think it feels about dv.

[Parks]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

That's real.

[Parks]

And I think that's based on the commonality. I think, like, a lot of more lot. Especially, like, some of my friends that are in law enforcement. They like, yo, you got cop friends?

[Corey]

You got friends in law enforcement?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You got friends with a badge? Yeah, sure. I don't. You do, but we. We should talk about you. I don't speak to them if they have a badge.

[Parks]

All right. Anyway, who are you talking to?

[Joe Budden]

I don't speak for niggas with a dog. All right, guys.

[Parks]

You got it, bro. So, look, my man was like, yo, he. He was a cop in, like, an affluent community in New Jersey. He said, yo, a ton of their calls are DV calls. Like, cops, judges. A lot of them be beating their wives asses, my nigga. Like, a lot of people in law enforcement really are some of the biggest perpetrators of domestic violence.

[Corey]

I hear a lot about cops.

[Parks]

I had talked to a cop before, and he was like, yo, the worst day is Christmas morning. And majority of it is DB calls. The worst day. They did, like, not New Year's, running down all the holidays where you think the calls will be the most.

[Corey]

It's Christmas morning.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't get that gift.

[Parks]

One person feel like I did more for you than. Than you in a DV situation. He was like, yo, this is awful. Constant.

[Flip]

It's disgusting.

[Parks]

Christmas morning, disgusting. So, yes. Yeah. I think more people, even women. I think more people go through or are victims of domestic violence than they would let on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Because you're living under disguise of this happy marriage, this happy family. You're not leaving, so you don't even want to tell anybody.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

So I. I think that niggas are.

[Joe Budden]

A little bit more.

[Parks]

More sympathetic to it than they would let on.

[Joe Budden]

And thank you guys for that.

[Corey]

We were having a conversation last night on night school about kink and a.

[Ish]

Little freaky over that little night school.

[Corey]

It was after midnight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

After school. And we were talking about, in context of Diddy. Like, there was a lot of kink shaming that happened in his trial and a lot of. To me, the prosecution's case partially rested on that.

[Parks]

It rested on that.

[Corey]

Assuming that we'd Be. So we make him a deviant and then we put deviants in jail. So what he wants on his nipples, what he likes to do here, who he likes to bring into it. Do you think that the country has matured because of this at all? No brown king or gotten or the opposite. Taking a step back. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

I think they've progressed.

[Corey]

You think so?

[Parks]

I think that. I'm hoping so. Like, to your point, I think the prosecution thought we were gonna paint him to be this sexual deviant. Deviant. And that was gonna really carry our case when you start talking about the things that he was doing. Because middle America and a lot of America even. Not even middle America be fronting about what they doing in their bedroom. My. Yeah, a lot of be fronting men, especially about what they doing in their bedroom. So they thought it was gonna carry it. It didn't carry it.

[Corey]

Because I think that's the late. I think you hit the nail on the head. I think the lesson is gonna.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he does for a living. Sorry, my bad. Dad jokes.

[Parks]

Nobody hammers nothing. Screw guns, asshole.

[Joe Budden]

But go ahead.

[Corey]

Yeah, no, but I think that's part of it, is that I think they underestimated how many people do the did puff do. And that's the part I didn't think about either. You know? I mean, a lot of people like, oh, shit, if that's illegal, what the fuck have I been doing? Or if that's freaky, what the fuck have I been doing?

[Mel]

And that was. That was the point that I was trying to make earlier about the fact him having the trial here in New York.

[Corey]

Would I miss something?

[Joe Budden]

Mel just be lying on the points that she makes. But we love her, so we don't say nothing to her.

[Mel]

No, I did say that. I did say the lives of people here in New York are very adventurous, exciting. Like, we see a lot of shit. So something like what came out in trial wouldn't necessarily phase them.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Corey]

Like wife swapping. What do you call it?

[Mel]

I did say. I did say that swinging is what.

[Corey]

I was looking for, but. Yeah, cooking too. I mean, I don't. I didn't know much about cooking, but as I.

[Parks]

That's what I heard.

[Joe Budden]

Bullshit.

[Parks]

You wilding to me. This is my man.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Corey]

No, but like, as I learned. As the thing I learned about. It wasn't just that I found out what it was as a term, but more like I was more interested on, like, the Internet and even, you know, on shows and platforms. You're like, oh, yeah, I'm into that.

[Ish]

Or yeah, I love educated people talking about sex. I think I learned about cooking with my research.

[Corey]

No, but just this is mad fascinating to me. Like, I. I wonder if the. As a society we may have turned the corner on this. Like, people might actually be more open. Because, like, when I was growing up, like, people acted. Every dude acted like eating ass was like the craziest shit they ever did.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody believed thinking eating pussy was.

[Corey]

No, eating pussy was the start, right? Huh.

[Parks]

How old?

[Corey]

46.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Corey]

So like in my teenage years, it was like eating pussy. Everybody pretended they didn't eat pussy. We were all eating. You know what I mean? Everybody who was having sex was eating pussy. Like, it's just. You just were. And then in the twenties. Wait, you weren't.

[Parks]

I'm older than you, though. That's why I asked you how old you are.

[Ish]

That was. That shit just came out.

[Corey]

Three years older than me.

[Ish]

That shit just came out.

[Corey]

Like that shit came out on PlayStation.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. Drunk that matter. Yo, how old are you? 46. Yeah.

[Corey]

That'S not true.

[Parks]

That little three, four year difference, man. Lil Kim and them start about taking in the. All of that changed society.

[Corey]

They just wasn't letting you do that before Lil Kim.

[Joe Budden]

Right? Little Kim didn't change society.

[Parks]

You're bucking. You are buck bugging about. Wasn't talking about. I used to be scared of the dick. Now throw lip. No, girls wasn't admitting that.

[Joe Budden]

Please.

[Corey]

You know it's going to be a clip.

[Ish]

I know what girls like.

[Joe Budden]

Verse.

[Parks]

Yo, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Flip]

Where the cute.

[Parks]

Yo, y' all is front, bro. The girls wasn't openly admitting that like that before.

[Corey]

I say it was admitted. I'm saying it was doing it though.

[Flip]

Yeah, but we talk about.

[Parks]

But the change to society is now girls are being way more open about you start bragging about it. Yes, it went from that. It went from being taboo to being bragged about. Yes. Lil Wayne had everybody eating.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all think sucking dick Was Taboo in 94? Asking some of the things.

[Parks]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Taboo. Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

Not mainstream girls. No, I'm answering two vanilla ass. We're not saying that they wasn't doing it. We talking about tab. How old was you on Front Street?

[Joe Budden]

14.

[Parks]

How the you know what was doing outside and what was taboo at 14.

[Joe Budden]

Is I was 14. I don't know who you told me. I'm not. I'm not at 14. I was gonna the.

[Corey]

Like.

[Joe Budden]

He don't hear you either.

[Corey]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, no, I'm glad You'll catch it.

[Flip]

What y' all say about 14?

[Joe Budden]

Crazy.

[Parks]

He know what's going on? Cuz he was doing it. We say he had his own apartment at 14.

[Flip]

That is crazy.

[Corey]

I was getting it. But no, it is. It is a little bit different me. And it's also like, like, cultural, societal. Like, when I went to the. No, everything doesn't go back to the cult. Nothing was off limits in the cold.

[Ish]

They would have been taking that literal.

[Corey]

No, they really were. Yeah, they could take the car.

[Ish]

Morgan.

[Corey]

You share your pain with niggas, and this is what they do. See, Imani, I get it worse than you do. Oh, man, you know, shit hurts. What I was saying is, like, in the hood, girls would be like, have oral sex was like the. Like, a girl sucking dick was like, the thing you did for your boyfriend that was like, the last thing you did. Whereas in the white neighborhoods that I was around, that was the first thing they did. They'd be like, I didn't fuck him. I just sucked his dick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Whereas, like, no black girl I knew would have said that in. In the 90s. It was the exact opposite. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying, like, some of it is very true based on who you are.

[Parks]

A thousand percent accurate.

[Corey]

Yeah. That's all.

[Parks]

For real.

[Corey]

What'd you say, buddy?

[Joe Budden]

No, it was Cole.

[Corey]

Oh, what did you say, Paul? Now, I don't know about kidding.

[Joe Budden]

Do y' all think it was. Speaking of what Ish was saying about Lil Kim, do y' all think it was right for Little Kim to spit those lyrics at such a young age?

[Corey]

I loved it.

[Parks]

Album was a classic. She's older than me, can't control women.

[Corey]

I love the empowerment of it. What was wild to me was that Big was writing it. So I'm thinking, like, I always imagine Big sitting at the desk, like, writing, you know, Queensbridge supreme, but you know what I mean, like, for me, that was the thing. Like, I thought that was the thing I loved about Big was that he was able to put himself into that mind frame and that to write for women, same way Neil does.

[Joe Budden]

Like, man, I'm glad you said that.

[Flip]

No, don't start. Don't start that.

[Corey]

Don't start that, bro. I think I know where this is going.

[Joe Budden]

Please, bro, please.

[Corey]

No, I know where this is going.

[Flip]

Stop. All right? We did it already.

[Corey]

When I was a guest here, my first time as a guest, you said some wild shit about Big. I don't remember exactly what it was.

[Mel]

You know?

[Flip]

Wait, who you about. You Said in the alternate life, him and Tupac are bisexual and all that. That stuff you.

[Joe Budden]

I said in a Marvel what if comic style episode, I could see the. The Big and Pac Beef really just being gay or bisexual quarrel. And then after they fighting over Pu.

[Flip]

You should not really Marvel then. You should.

[Corey]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Flip]

You said. I wouldn't even say in the Marvel world.

[Joe Budden]

No, I could see it in real life. I did the Marvel thing to protect my opinion, but I could definitely. I could see that. I could see that. But that's not what I was about to say. I went to a studio session not too long ago, and it was a female rapper. She had some guys in there that shit almost fucked me up when he went in there, just laid a reference for her, like, in the booth. Like, I'm sitting there just scrolling, yeah, nigga, just. And I get all the money if I suck at balls. This nigga was doing the. It was a hard ass verse for a girl, but I just forgot what was going on.

[Parks]

And I look up like, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, rap has changed.

[Parks]

I left just in time.

[Joe Budden]

By the time it was rugged. I suck a dick and I take a trips and I'm. I was like, yo, y' all hit first. Yeah, but he was right in the fur. So that's.

[Parks]

That's funny, son.

[Joe Budden]

Talent.

[Corey]

It is talent.

[Parks]

It's talent.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going wherever you going after the party, and I'm going, where you going? Anytime you put the lips, where you going? The earrings. I'm going, where she going?

[Flip]

She's going to. To a bash, man.

[Corey]

I heard that part. I was here for that. I was on the sideline. I'm going in more detail.

[Joe Budden]

Jean, dress, stop playing. I. Things are coming back like they used to be.

[Corey]

You didn't do bashments.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I'm from East.

[Mel]

What's coming back?

[Joe Budden]

Like, Jamaican, you know, Ish never been an abashment. First of all, I don't know what that is. He don't even know what it is. Y' all know that. Y' all thought Ish knew what that.

[Corey]

Might have been locked up during that time.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what that.

[Flip]

And now I'm making fun of him.

[Parks]

With a phone like that.

[Flip]

Like that. Didn't me.

[Corey]

I mean, in fairness, abashment is a little more culturally obscure than gangstar. Gangstar in New York.

[Flip]

Shut up, man.

[Corey]

On a music podcast.

[Mel]

I guess it depends on what part of New York you're in.

[Joe Budden]

And I was saying that everything is getting back like it used to be.

[Corey]

Is this. That's why I was asking you. You going to New York in New York spot?

[Mel]

Yeah, I'm going to Queens.

[Corey]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Flip]

Hey, I know.

[Joe Budden]

That's what's up.

[Parks]

Angie cookout. No, you going to some foreign. That's why you got your stone wash skirt on.

[Flip]

Who out there, gang? I know, I know.

[Parks]

Yo, what's a guan?

[Corey]

Got that yardy outfit on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Corey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha Gomel.

[Mel]

I did not think anybody was going to pick up on that.

[Corey]

Oh, I picked up on it. That's why you said he's going to a bashment. I was like, oh, okay.

[Mel]

I'm literally West Indian. Like, like.

[Joe Budden]

But okay, you're all of the racist.

[Flip]

No, she is.

[Joe Budden]

All of them.

[Mel]

Literally been. I've said.

[Joe Budden]

I said that on this episode before.

[Mel]

I. I've said it my whole life, cuz that's what I am.

[Parks]

Am Russian.

[Mel]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

I have one white parent and one black parent, so. Yes. Yes, that's right.

[Flip]

Going to be outside. It's going down.

[Corey]

Russian.

[Flip]

Jamaican.

[Corey]

No, Russian.

[Flip]

I'm going run it to you in that spot.

[Corey]

Baan. Excuse me?

[Joe Budden]

And Japanese.

[Flip]

No, she never said she's Japanese.

[Joe Budden]

Swiss, right? Scandinavian Swiss beat.

[Parks]

Swahili.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Who else are you bringing? You bringing something to this joint? I know you baked banana bread the other day. I was just curious to know.

[Mel]

I didn't get around to it. I didn't get around to it. I'm bringing liquor.

[Corey]

That always wins.

[Mel]

I'm bringing liquor.

[Flip]

Yo, real quick. They said that Derek, the one that's left, Derrick Groves, he may have changed his appearance. The police put out mug shots of him being in wigs, short haircut, and long breaks.

[Parks]

Smart.

[Joe Budden]

Smart, man.

[Flip]

Look at this.

[Parks]

Smart.

[Joe Budden]

I told y' all he was gonna be the one.

[Flip]

You did say that.

[Joe Budden]

And he's killing that. This is from the New Orleans breakout, right? And listen, that wasn't even the. The shocker. For me, the shocker was when they arrested the second to last guy and took pictures. Dude in the picture got the nerve to look pissed off and annoyed with every tattoo on his face, neck, ears. He got a big Detroit Tiger symbol right here. He in the picture. Oh, they got me. I'm like, yeah, they got you, idiot. He put the roadmap on you.

[Corey]

Yeah, right, Lord. Ain't a hard nigga to find at all.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, that's crazy. We can go. I don't have nothing. We ain't got do sleepers. I know you're ready already, man. I hear it.

[Flip]

You couldn't Wait till he sit down. I said, you know, my man gonna add something.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah, I hope that everyone.

[Flip]

Not me something.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not doing this with you.

[Corey]

You can tell your man it's been a great show.

[Flip]

You can tell you what your man mind is at when I say one of them shits that he just brush it off. I know he. If he not Cracker Joe jokes. Yeah, man. Fourth of July.

[Joe Budden]

Trying to keep everything efficient like we brought.

[Flip]

I love it. I just wanted you to crack jokes with me.

[Parks]

My brother supposed to play like. How about some hardcore? Yeah, you gotta give him some mop.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean? It's the 5th of July. No, I was never doing that. Some people have barbecue hangovers right now. Some people are doing a barbecue right now. People with their family. They side joints.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Some people at the Bashman shaking some ass. Hey, there you go.

[Corey]

All right, man.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We are going. Until the next time. Hopefully you enjoyed this Fourth of July podcast, but we getting the out of here. I can tell these don't want to talk. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time they bid you a duel. Farewell. Adios, Rib Dirty house to the East Argua. So long goodbye will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Igu. Hopefully Everybody enjoyed their 4th of July. Enjoy your holiday weekend. Weekend plans.

[Flip]

Anybody?

[Parks]

Anybody?

[Joe Budden]

Anything funny? Anything funny. Anything fun.

[Parks]

We baby free. We just running around.

[Flip]

Just running around, bro.

[Parks]

I might end up with. Yeah. Who the knows might hit y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't think we got.

[Parks]

Let's get a run going.

[Ish]

Yeah, let's do it. Tear the streets up.

[Joe Budden]

Y.

[Ish]

Do a little Love island watch. Party on me vax.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We going after the hook. Remember, please be safe. Shout out to any of you that blew your fingers off last night. Shout out to y'. All. Shout out to everybody in the urgent care. Cause you tried to put the M80 in your mouth. Cause the. The be pulling up stupid ch. Some of you with the cheap fireworks. Make sure you set up in a different part of the grass than the real. Hey, everybody. Took a lawn chair out to the east side yesterday. Salute.

[Corey]

Salute.

[Joe Budden]

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Hey, and everybody that's doing some this week, man. Shout out to y' all this weekend. Little fourth of July. Until next time. We love each and every one of y' all out there. We'll be back. Same time, same place, next week, God willing.