Episode 845 | "Atheist Mingle"

Summary

Summary of The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 845 | "Atheist Mingle"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Joe Budden Podcast
• Host/Author: The Joe Budden Network
• Description: Tune into Joe Budden and his friends. Follow along the crazy adventures of these very random friends.
• Episode: Episode 845 | "Atheist Mingle"
• Release Date: July 23, 2025

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1. Introduction and Technical Gear Discussion [00:00 - 01:03]

The episode kicks off with a brief disclaimer emphasizing the entertainment nature of the podcast. Shortly after, the hosts engage in a light-hearted conversation about cameras, specifically the FX6 model. Queen's Flip mentions purchasing a new FX6, sparking a discussion about its cinematic quality.

• Joe Budden: “I think today is one of the days. I'm gonna need my headphones.” [01:03]

2. Shoutouts and Podcast Dynamics [01:03 - 04:50]

Joe Budden welcomes co-hosts Mark Lamont Hill and Parks, and introduces Queen's Flip, highlighting their camaraderie and collaborative dynamic. The discussion touches on their respective shows within the network and the importance of mutual respect and support among the hosts.

• Mark Lamont Hill: “I respect that.” [01:25]
• Queen's Flip: “I just bought mine today.” [06:14]

3. New York Times Article on Podcast Revenue [24:22 - 30:27]

A significant portion of the episode delves into a New York Times article revealing the podcast’s revenue, estimated at $20 million a year. The hosts express surprise and pride, discussing the legitimacy and implications of such financial success. They emphasize the importance of independent contractor revenue and dispel rumors about individual earnings.

• Mark Lamont Hill: “The average salary is 106K. That’s significantly higher than it was.” [28:37]
• Joe Budden: “They bigging you up, too.” [28:20]

4. Tribute to Deceased Black Celebrities [07:21 - 15:00]

The hosts pay heartfelt tributes to several influential Black figures who recently passed away, including Malcolm Jamal Warner, Pop Smoke, Young Dolph, and others. They dedicate the episode to their memories, expressing sorrow and honoring their contributions to culture and entertainment.

• Joe Budden: “Rest in peace, Malcolm Jamal Warner. We love you.” [15:00]
• Queen's Flip: “Peace.” [15:41]

5. WNBA Salaries and Negotiations [112:49 - 133:33]

A detailed discussion focuses on the WNBA's ongoing negotiations for higher player salaries. The hosts analyze the league's financial structure, historical salary data, and recent media rights deals. They advocate for fair compensation, highlighting the disparity between WNBA and NBA revenues and the challenges players face due to the WNBA's cap table.

• Mark Lamont Hill: “Shout out to... the New York Liberty was purchased for somewhere between 10 and 15 million and it's valued right now at 450 million.” [127:07]
• Ish: “If Kaylin Clark signed up, four-year, $338 million deal. Right? If you go back five years ago... them girls would have died for that deal.” [130:28]

6. Discussion on Independent vs. Major Labels [68:03 - 70:55]

The conversation shifts to the dynamics between independent artists and major labels. The hosts debate the definition of independence, using references like Chance the Rapper and Clips to illustrate how some artists maintain their independence through strategic distribution deals while benefiting from major label support.

• Joe Budden: “Just a good time to be independent.” [70:55]
• Mark Lamont Hill: “They just have a relationship set up for independence.” [68:38]

7. Music Reviews and Current Releases [50:32 - 88:56]

The hosts review new music releases, including Tyler the Creator’s latest album and Raekwon’s "Emperor's New Clothes." They discuss the artistic direction, production quality, and market reception, offering varied opinions on the tracks and overall projects.

• Ish: “It reminded me of when Snoop made sexual seduction... it still worked.” [52:35]
• Mark Lamont Hill: “Raekwon’s 'Emperor’s New Clothes' is a solid album… it’s immediately apparent of like, good rapping versus what today's version of good rapping is.” [64:13]

8. Legal Issues and Sexual Assault Discussion [34:07 - 48:19]

The podcast addresses a sensitive topic involving Joe Budden's public statements on a sexual assault allegation. The hosts discuss the complexities of legal recourse, public perception, and the challenges in proving such cases. They emphasize empathy for victims while scrutinizing the circumstances surrounding the case.

• Joe Budden: “I think grapes should be treated like a crime at all times and not like the big joker in your back pocket used for convenience.” [36:30]
• Mark Lamont Hill: “You could have a consensual relationship and still sexual assault.” [35:19]

9. Personal Stories and Family Matters [05:27 - 20:32]

The hosts share personal anecdotes about family trips, anniversaries, and relationships. Joe Budden talks about his daughter's birthday and upcoming family vacation to the Turks and Caicos Islands, while the others discuss their family dynamics and support systems.

• Joe Budden: “Today is my daughter's birthday.” [07:21]
• Mark Lamont Hill: “I have to Google that up, Ish.” [90:32]

10. Final Tributes and Closing Remarks [155:00 - End]

As the episode nears its end, the hosts return to paying tribute to Malcolm Jamal Warner, reflecting on his impact and legacy. They express deep sorrow over his passing, reminiscing about his role in "The Cosby Show" and his influence on their lives. The episode concludes with heartfelt goodbyes and promises to return.

• Joe Budden: “We love you, we miss you, and thank you for your service.” [155:03]
• Mark Lamont Hill: “Rest in peace.” [155:48]

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Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden: “I think grapes should be treated like a crime at all times and not like the big joker in your back pocket used for convenience.” ([36:30])
• Mark Lamont Hill: “The average salary is 106K. That’s significantly higher than it was.” ([28:37])
• Queen's Flip: “Peace.” ([15:41])

Conclusion: Episode 845 of The Joe Budden Podcast provided a blend of serious discussions and lighthearted banter among hosts. Key topics included the revelation of the podcast's significant revenue, tributes to deceased Black icons, in-depth analysis of WNBA salaries, and reviews of current music releases. The hosts delved into complex issues surrounding legal matters and the music industry's dynamics between independence and major labels, all while sharing personal stories and memories. The episode closed with a heartfelt tribute to Malcolm Jamal Warner, emphasizing the podcast's commitment to honoring influential figures.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Ish]

It's a running gun camera.

[Queen's Flip]

Not a running camera.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I use it for running gun. No, you don't. I do when I do my documentary.

[Queen's Flip]

FX6.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'S a good camera. It makes it look really cinematic when you do.

[Joe Budden]

It does. It does.

[Queen's Flip]

I just bought mine. I just bought mine today.

[Ish]

You stole the Spike Lee thing when.

[Joe Budden]

They rolled the thing.

[Ish]

You did that effect.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't do all that. I didn't even know that the JBP needed the FX6.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

That's dope.

[Ish]

That's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, it has this.

[Ish]

That's the Iam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The IP or I am.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

The Iam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. We need. We need it.

[Joe Budden]

I think today is one of the days. I'm gonna need my headphones. M a, I. I'm. I'm gonna need to hear everything.

[Ish]

M a I. Oh, that's true, that's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I appreciate the black man first.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Wow.

[Queen's Flip]

Okay, y' all making moves up here.

[Joe Budden]

I put whoever name first. This is in front of me. Like, that's how I do it. Both are. Both in front of me is Mark and Ian show. And what Ian is the end of Mark show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that.

[Ish]

What about when they both there?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then I don't say it.

[Queen's Flip]

Y' all that show show.

[Joe Budden]

Y show.

[Ish]

Y' all show.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, got it, got it. He a trying to make moves. He. He think I don't see what he doing too. I see what he doing.

[Ish]

He. He got. He doing something.

[Joe Budden]

I've been at the.

[Ish]

Just in case. Hey, hey, hey. Can't be mad at the brother.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't mad at him going full.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Vince McMahon in a minute.

[Joe Budden]

He told me Saturday ain't live calls. Somebody calls, I'm watching. Look.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

First time I heard this.

[Joe Budden]

Whoops. Whoops. What's up, y'?

[Ish]

All?

[Joe Budden]

How y' all doing?

[Ish]

Your little skit about to pay off. They gonna give you an Abraham Lincoln beard.

[Queen's Flip]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you. Mark acting his ass off. What's dude? Bravo. Macho. You need a macho deal. You need a movie deal with Mach. Our sister in Christ is not here with us today.

[Queen's Flip]

Why not.

[Joe Budden]

She is away shooting her movie and this time has been in for months. A month. Over a month. Don't y' all draw your up here. Anybody? Anybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know the fans.

[Queen's Flip]

Nobody cares.

[Ish]

She ducking smooth up here. We don't care.

[Queen's Flip]

I ain't give a Mr. Porter.

[Ish]

And we're gonna watch the movie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm definitely.

[Parks]

What that part I forgot.

[Joe Budden]

I got a male movie in the tuck. Ooh.

[Parks]

Oh, damn. There is. I still. I haven't watched the.

[Joe Budden]

I got the male movie in the tuck and the mark Cult doc. Ah.

[Parks]

He still never said which one was a good one.

[Ish]

You found it.

[Joe Budden]

He sent it.

[Queen's Flip]

He sent it in the group chat.

[Ish]

Not in the group chat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did we make a new one so you to accommodate your green bubbles?

[Ish]

No, it's buffoonery.

[Parks]

Although it's better now. The green bubbles.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I will say that it is.

[Ish]

Why? It's emerald green. What are you talking about? It's a different green. They work better now.

[Parks]

Yeah, they work better.

[Joe Budden]

I'm serious.

[Ish]

All jokes aside, Apple. Apple enabled the RCS shit that y' all use. So now the communication between the two are much better. It's not as ready the pictures come through.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

All that type of shit.

[Parks]

So maybe it's time to add ish. We'll see.

[Queen's Flip]

I think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's time. You'll be missing some vital information.

[Ish]

No, he not. He don't miss nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo. What. What is the new male movie about?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Queen's Flip]

She don't tell us a business.

[Joe Budden]

Do we.

[Parks]

Do we need to know?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do we care?

[Parks]

Do we just hit play regardless?

[Ish]

Play.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How many days? How many days they shooting?

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's all good. How many days no shooting?

[Parks]

Was that the Times or someone that read? The Times?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that was someone that read.

[Ish]

Yeah, I got a couple of them calls.

[Parks]

I bet you did.

[Joe Budden]

I bet you did. I'm not. I'm not sure how many days. I think she might have asked for a week or two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

10 movies.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

From her seat, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

From her seat.

[Joe Budden]

The diabolical part of it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you seen one of the movies?

[Ish]

I have not. I'm going.

[Queen's Flip]

You know what?

[Ish]

They're on my to do list.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They're great. I enjoy. I enjoy all of them.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I enjoy all of them. Shout out to our sister.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry. I'm gonna get us started. Don't worry. Because I. I hear y'. All these days you gotta watch these dude pods. These dude pods. Everybody come to the club. With a burner. The dude pod is like I want in my sock.

[Parks]

The security is Corey.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Not no security right here. One in my hip. Yeah, just in case. Zap them up.

[Joe Budden]

Might run out. That was like the Bronx on Friday. Woo. I ain't been there on a Friday in a while. Cause, you know, not allowed. Then I went in there. A whole different vibe in there. Funny, it's like every hood, it's some Brooklyn. It's a Bronx and Staten island.

[Ish]

Shit don't mix. That shit don't mix neither.

[Joe Budden]

All these niggas had some niggas with them.

[Ish]

Oh, that's don't mix.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what a dude catches like. Like. Yeah, everybody. Oh my God. Jesus.

[Queen's Flip]

Attention is thicker than German dogs in here. Just walking here and they see all the brothers smiling, right? We all in a good space, a good mood. Looking silent, the mark. You looking confused. You okay? You don't want to talk about.

[Joe Budden]

Well, shouldn't we all be in a great mood?

[Queen's Flip]

Ah, yeah, maybe. Maybe. We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

[Ish]

We shouldn't be in a great mood.

[Joe Budden]

Are you in a great mood?

[Ish]

No, I mean, I see what today is.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, today, Today. What's today is.

[Joe Budden]

You though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is YouTube. YouTube.

[Joe Budden]

YouTube. Hey, make some noise. Make some noise.

[Queen's Flip]

I got paid Yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

Got that YouTube check.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, that was yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

I got.

[Queen's Flip]

I got paid shout out to everybody out there.

[Joe Budden]

Got that YouTubey. Oh, you that AdSense?

[Queen's Flip]

I got. I got paid yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's why you talking about the FX, the FXR, FX6 and the FX6.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, you know, got myself a new one. I got a couple, but at the same time, I think that what it.

[Joe Budden]

Is for the camping.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, yeah, for my camping trip.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

I told you, stay my business. I'm not in yours.

[Joe Budden]

All right, my bad.

[Queen's Flip]

None of yours yet. We gonna get to it. You try to sm. You try to find my temperature?

[Ish]

No.

[Queen's Flip]

Whatever temperature you think I'm on, I'm on.

[Ish]

Yo, you said you bought a couple of them?

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, however you think I feel. I feel that.

[Parks]

How much they cost?

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Queen's Flip]

Eight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot.

[Ish]

Eight bands?

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Oh, you can get two, three, four.

[Queen's Flip]

Of them, but no, not two, three, four.

[Ish]

All right, I see what y' all on today.

[Joe Budden]

I. You need your headphones today, Bre.

[Ish]

I got it.

[Queen's Flip]

That is fire. Great camera though.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm about get marks. I'm about to take marks from his. You not using yours, boy.

[Ish]

N. Better with the coochie. Yes, I got the flower.

[Unknown]

My Hair.

[Joe Budden]

Today is my daughter's birthday.

[Unknown]

She put the flower there.

[Joe Budden]

So rest in peace, Michael Jamal Warner.

[Unknown]

It's a beautiful day here in Atlanta.

[Ish]

I just wanted to shout out and.

[Unknown]

Just spread some love and some good cheer and, you know, life. Life is out here liking, right?

[Ish]

But just wanted to remind you, as.

[Unknown]

I remind myself, that no matter what's going on, there's always a reason to smile.

[Ish]

Like, if you just take a minute.

[Unknown]

To stop and take stock, I guarantee.

[Ish]

You can find at least one reason to smile. And if for some reason you can't.

[Unknown]

Find a reason to smile, then that's probably the best time to be the.

[Ish]

Reason for somebody else to smile.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Ish]

No Joe Biden. That's all I got. Listen to love. Cause it's been a minute. Peace and love.

[Joe Budden]

And I'll be back soon.

[Unknown]

When I was 15, I think I.

[Joe Budden]

Was in the hospital with my grandfather.

[Ish]

And I literally watched him take his last breath. And if you ever seen someone take their final breath, there's this peace that.

[Joe Budden]

Comes over, just washes over.

[Unknown]

And I realized.

[Ish]

So of course it was. You know, it was emotional and I was sad and all that. But even at 15, I realized that.

[Unknown]

When we grieve for people who have passed on, we're grieving for ourselves because we miss them. And when I think about people in.

[Joe Budden]

My life, in my life who have.

[Unknown]

Gone on and transitioned, and I think.

[Joe Budden]

About the lives that they've led, like.

[Ish]

They were really good people. There's somewhere in my head that goes, yeah, they really made me off to a better place.

[Unknown]

Because I look around this world and.

[Ish]

Be like, oh, yeah, so.

[Unknown]

And when we talk about, why are.

[Ish]

The good people taking, you know, taken away from us? And I go, maybe they're being rewarded.

[Joe Budden]

Or celebrating life today, it's fragile and in the blink of an eye, you never know.

[Queen's Flip]

You never.

[Joe Budden]

You never know. So speaking of.

[Unknown]

You know, I'm thinking of.

[Joe Budden]

We celebrating life today, huh? Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Turn me up in the headphones Turn me up in the headphones not really parts just my ad libs Stick it.

[Queen's Flip]

Up, stick it up Throw back so.

[Joe Budden]

Happy y' all could be here Poke it up always for the ladies Throw back, don't back fully rich she got a thing for some money she got a thing for niggas Some money Whole New Jersey, whole New York City where were you listening from? She got my name on top of Masterpiece Pop smoke I do my dance I feel like I'm.

[Queen's Flip]

On top Do a Split.

[Ish]

She want to do it on my day.

[Queen's Flip]

Sit on my Marys.

[Joe Budden]

I told her, look out for the stage. Wake it up out there. I'm off the money.

[Ish]

That's why I'm moving.

[Unknown]

Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to the party. One and a half.

[Unknown]

Baby, baby, don't trip. Just lower your tone.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry. I'm gonna get some energy out of this room one way or the other. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna find a vibe in this one way or the other. Best broadcast in best broadcasters in the world.

[Unknown]

Just a copper ball of me and.

[Queen's Flip]

JJ went for fit.

[Ish]

The gas and was in there.

[Joe Budden]

This should still ring off. This still ring off. Especially when the boys is wearing. Yeah, my New York bias is showing. All right. Forget about you out there. Not at all. I forget about you out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace, dog. Dog. Rest in peace. Yeah. I don't with these. They just want to have a baby. Come on, doctor, Wake up. Wake up, doctor. Nine years old, seen a get shot. Damn quick to run they mouth when they get shot. We got a great show line every. I promise. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

Turn this the up. Turn this the up, man. Rest in peace. Malcolm Jamal Warner. Hold up, man. Recipes. Rest in peace. Pop smoke. Rest in peace, Young Dolph. Rest in peace. All of the black excellence that we have lost. This show is dedicated to y'. All. And Pat, Stay white Excellence, too. Rest in peace. Pat State stop playing. Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace. Bishop. Keep the applause going for Bishop Brigante. Rest in peace, God damn it. Fat Man Scoop. Oh, Rest in peace. Irv Gotti. Clark Kent beat King. Yeah. I mean, some of the greats we lost. Thank God for getting us here today. Y' all as well. Putting graph in our lungs this morning. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you here with us. Best broadcast in the universe. We are so grateful and so happy to have you. Let me get these drops out the way real quick, man, so we can get to the business. Shout out to all the ladies listening. Shout out to the educator. Community. Peace.

[Queen's Flip]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

Peace. How you greet them, Mark? Yo, yo.

[Queen's Flip]

Hello, my brother. Nice to see you again, bro.

[Unknown]

Who is that? Who is that?

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the constructor, the construction, the realtor. Dude. How we greet them? Talk to these guan.

[Queen's Flip]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How we greet the.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I mean, pick up that Sheetrock what's right now. What's the. That cover the. The. The. The top of the house called the room Shingles.

[Queen's Flip]

Pick up the. Pick them singles up. Hey, yo, we don't got the machine.

[Joe Budden]

Keep the applause going for we don't got the Machine.

[Queen's Flip]

You come up that night and do the we don't got the machine here.

[Joe Budden]

Manual labor.

[Ish]

You stupid.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this, man?

[Parks]

Hey, 45.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 845. Best broadcast in the world. Best broadcasters in the world. This broadcast is brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Picks, gang. Prize picks gang. You. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious. So happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people. Again, our sister in Christ, Mel is not here. She is away shooting a movie. To my right, the good brother Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, how you feeling, man?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Feeling good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Feeling good, Good, good. Happy to have you next to him. Queens get the money. Big Queens flip. Queens Flip is in the building. Queens, how you doing?

[Queen's Flip]

I feel good. I feel great.

[Joe Budden]

My man, happy to be here. So happy to have you here next to him. You see the VI's, King Dimples? King Dimples himself.

[Ish]

That's your man.

[Joe Budden]

Big. Big Agents in the building.

[Ish]

Salmon and green.

[Joe Budden]

It's how you feeling?

[Queen's Flip]

Like soul food. Let's go, boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you his light skin, too.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

How you feeling?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a serious matter.

[Ish]

All you missing is Ultima.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I've been in a few.

[Queen's Flip]

We know, we know you give out a few.

[Ish]

How you feeling, stupid?

[Joe Budden]

I'm good. Yeah. Good, good. Happy to have you here. My brother.

[Queen's Flip]

Next, he don't respond like us. He ain't going to say what you want to say. We ain't going to say what you want us to say. I only did that for. For the show. We ain't going to say what you want to say.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm happy to be here.

[Queen's Flip]

We ain't going to say that.

[Ish]

Boy.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm supposed to.

[Ish]

I am happy to be here.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. I'm not falling banana flip tricks tonight. You know, I'm in such a great mood. I'm not falling for none of you been dodging this. This flip tweet this morning. Say, oh, hell no. And I was like, oh, no, I'm not with for today. Next to Ish. You know the vibes. Big freeze. Mr. Take it first. How you feeling, Freeze? Good, good, good, good. Good to have you here next to freeze King Elmira. Big Parks. Parks in the building. How you doing, Parks?

[Parks]

I'm excellent, man. Spent the weekend with the family, man. I'm chilling.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, awesome.

[Parks]

And Elmyra, we're at the lake.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all see, white people got lit when they say they got lake properties. When they say they was with the family. They got a lake somewhere. They got a koi pond.

[Ish]

You got a swing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Swing?

[Ish]

I'm sorry, that little tire with the swing.

[Parks]

No, there's no swing.

[Joe Budden]

And do you swing? Oh, yo, no change.

[Parks]

It's a personal question.

[Ish]

Yo, I was looking at real estate in Elmyra.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Parks]

Yo, that shut the up.

[Ish]

I was that.

[Parks]

I know, but shut up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You try to keep it that way.

[Unknown]

That boy out here making moves.

[Parks]

Two rolly spins trying to blow shit up.

[Joe Budden]

Park street out there, you're trying to get. You trying to get the parks compound, Valley Court. Oh, that's dope. Park.

[Parks]

No, it was fire up, though. I had a good, good weekend. Just sat and listened to everybody's voice for a weekend. Everyone was there. You know what I mean? You ever do that?

[Ish]

What?

[Parks]

I know it's probably weird. I just sat and listened to people like your friends and loved one and appreciated their voice. Voice.

[Queen's Flip]

I need tomorrow.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Joe Budden]

I do that.

[Queen's Flip]

Sometimes you get so caught up in our world that you, you know, it humbles you sometimes just see how they think and what's going on with them. I know you talking about.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And people leaving.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's the real.

[Joe Budden]

That's for sure. Let me text my little brother that text me about nine texts. That was dope. They were so dope that I acknowledged them and didn't reply.

[Ish]

You ain't had nothing to say back.

[Joe Budden]

Because they were just so fine.

[Ish]

They were so fly.

[Joe Budden]

My little brother cooking and just put the thumbs up.

[Ish]

Bigging you up. Little rapper, too.

[Joe Budden]

No, just with difference. Yeah. I think his last text was yo, the addition of Mark. Great. Y' all see what y' all doing and y' all just supported. Okay. Like little brother text. We ain't always. We ain't always. You know, I mean, so that's. That's fly.

[Parks]

That's amazing.

[Joe Budden]

That's fly. Poe is here. Corey is still here. Single in July. The end of July.

[Queen's Flip]

Corey.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, man? Corey, let's.

[Ish]

Are you supposed to be here?

[Parks]

Get a ticket, Cory, honestly.

[Ish]

Yo, supposed to be single on the top.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly.

[Parks]

Get a. Okay. Cupid, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ish]

Christian mingle Funnel of fish Y Atheist mingle got atheist mingle Y. The universe brought us together.

[Parks]

Universe mingle.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, God will not put no in core life, man. God damn.

[Ish]

Universal Cupid.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, this guy's crazy that they cor just home watching and Prison Break. He just Home watching all the jail.

[Parks]

Gets in touch with the feminist side.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, bitches like the Wire, too. Cor, come on, get it together, man. Erickson is back there. Ian and Keeb, I think, are here. Savon and Tanner here. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. How's everybody doing, man? What's going on?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Chilling. Stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Great. Great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just happy. Happy to be here. What was your weekend like?

[Queen's Flip]

Great, man. Family filming. Just moving around.

[Ish]

Yeah? You doing a camping trip? A cookout or something?

[Queen's Flip]

I am doing a camping trip.

[Parks]

Tense.

[Queen's Flip]

Type of. Type of August. Yeah. With a bunch of people.

[Parks]

Intense.

[Queen's Flip]

Intense Where?

[Parks]

And intense probably too.

[Queen's Flip]

Pennsylvania.

[Ish]

Seriously?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where in Pennsylvania?

[Queen's Flip]

I don't want to say all that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, got you, Got you.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Queen's Flip]

But, yeah, just be careful out there, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My homie got killed out there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Camping your dog. I don't want that to happen. To flip.

[Ish]

You say be careful.

[Queen's Flip]

I mean, it's gonna be 20, 30 of us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's what happened with my man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, nailed it.

[Queen's Flip]

30 people killed him, but 30 people was there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And somebody ran. No, dude ran up and shot. Shot up the spot. They got argument with Ram, got his gun and shot up the spot.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But, Mark, why would you cheer that right now?

[Parks]

Because, rest in peace to your man in Pennsylvania.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can bring a weapon. I just want him to bring a weapon just to be safe. Keep something in the trunk.

[Joe Budden]

Use a weapon.

[Queen's Flip]

And on top of that, like, you know, it's. It's.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm taking certain measures to make sure that we're secured and protected. I got some people coming, so just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Call me before you go.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, no, that's all right. I will call you.

[Ish]

But they don't know you on that part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dad, you might. You don't even know what part.

[Queen's Flip]

It's the woods out there. The biz. Know you.

[Joe Budden]

It's. No, no, I'm chilling.

[Queen's Flip]

You want to say something, though?

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Queen's Flip]

It's right there.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know if the. If Instagram security is going to risk their life the way normal security do.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think. I. I don't have Instagram security.

[Joe Budden]

I know you posted in the story. Yo, I need somebody to secure.

[Queen's Flip]

No, I didn't post that in the stories. No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

And don't get too friendly and familiar.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, I post that so they can be prepared for the type of act, you know, my character. But I pay for security.

[Joe Budden]

All right, then. I had a Room? Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

You gonna give them free room and.

[Joe Budden]

Board in the tent?

[Queen's Flip]

Nah, they gotta pay for their own tent.

[Joe Budden]

The security?

[Queen's Flip]

No. Oh, the security. No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought to say security.

[Queen's Flip]

I take care of my security.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

You saw my security last time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm talking. Shit.

[Queen's Flip]

Got two more.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just talking. Hey, why not?

[Queen's Flip]

I gotta see you in the street.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why not?

[Joe Budden]

Wanna be a ball shot? Caller 20. Stop.

[Queen's Flip]

Don't try to get on my good side, boy. You know how to get to me, too. You be reeling me in. You master the puppet mastery.

[Joe Budden]

There's no puppet master.

[Queen's Flip]

You just get me in. Like, you be hyping me. I be in the mood.

[Joe Budden]

I be eager to come to work on Tuesdays in. Cause I can't wait to see you, son. Like, really.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, I miss you. I miss you, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I miss you, too.

[Parks]

Did you read the article?

[Queen's Flip]

No, I did not read the article.

[Ish]

But I saw the headline.

[Joe Budden]

Saw the headline.

[Ish]

I was proud of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I put up the headline?

[Queen's Flip]

Please do that.

[Ish]

I didn't even know the article dropped. I just. I just knew by my phone ringing or from people that I haven't spoken to in a while. I'm talking about over four years.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, she. She texting again.

[Ish]

No, not a she. No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Big Free, you still like that massage? He still got it.

[Ish]

He still like that neck rub?

[Joe Budden]

She texted again.

[Ish]

Shout to my baby.

[Joe Budden]

Is this number still the same?

[Queen's Flip]

No, no, no. We a.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not playing.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm not going for you.

[Ish]

Nah, man, I ain't spoke to in years. I answered the phone. Yo, what up, fam? Yo, I'm in a bind, bro.

[Joe Budden]

What is this?

[Ish]

Yo, dawg, I can't even hear you. I'm on the bridge. I'm gonna call you back in, like, two seconds. My signal go out right here.

[Joe Budden]

Signal go out?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

For those wondering, my signal be extra strong. This morning is a great morning to leave niggas in a bind. This morning was the perfect morning. And hey, some of them don't even hang up right away. So you can hear the bind. You can hear a tow truck or some shit.

[Queen's Flip]

Beep, beep. What?

[Ish]

You in a net? Duct tape?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Like, what kind of bind you in?

[Joe Budden]

For real? Some of these niggas woke up talking about, yo, adopt this little nigga for a few summers. Like, no, nigga, take care of your kid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

People are wondering what we talking about. The headline from the New York Times today says, how does this podcast star make 22 0, $20 million a year? And we all set up and ask the same question. How the fuck does he do that?

[Joe Budden]

Did you read it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I read the article. Yeah. I read everything.

[Queen's Flip]

They gave a breakdown.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A little something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I encourage everybody to read this article.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good article.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't write it. I'm complimenting the writer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but they bigging you up. Let us say that shit. Like. Yeah, they bigging y' all up, too.

[Queen's Flip]

They are.

[Joe Budden]

They are.

[Ish]

Well, no, they big.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They mentioned us.

[Joe Budden]

They bigging y' all up, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They say we're there, too.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm gonna down.

[Ish]

They sit down with him, right?

[Queen's Flip]

Y', all, I had to read this article. I had to read the article.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, how'd you feel letting the New York Times put this information out there? You've been very sort of cagey and quiet about revenue. And in the last month, people have gone from hearing big numbers, like 900,000amonth to find out that that's actually minuscule in comparison to this. 20 million a year. That's a lot of information for the world to have. How'd you feel about that on the publishing side?

[Ish]

Here we go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all gonna.

[Ish]

No, the 20 is some bullshit. Just, you know, how do you feel? Nigga, the 20 is a slight.

[Joe Budden]

None of this is possible without the.

[Ish]

Fans you hate, Stephanie Mills, without the.

[Joe Budden]

People that was there from day one. Peasy Parks. Come on now. Ericson. Yeah, y'. All.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, we appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, it's dope. Last time I was in the Times, it was the entertainment section seven years ago.

[Queen's Flip]

That's fire.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't entertainment now. It's business. It ain't entertainment no more. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what's up.

[Ish]

That's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to. I hope black media covers this well, because I do, too. These are the stories that people don't. Don't cover. They'll cover.

[Ish]

They gonna cover it. It's just not gonna be the way you think they gonna cover it. They might. It depends.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's the part I don't like. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you can cover the other shit from last year, then you can. You can cover this shit. That's all I'm saying.

[Queen's Flip]

Let the cheers be as loud as the criticism.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's not how it works. Everybody up here know that.

[Queen's Flip]

All you that made fun of my man. When niggas. Whatever, nigga. Make fun of this. This is a slap in your face, nigga. Self built independently.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Queen's Flip]

And this is a testament to how and a motivation to others that don't give up believing yourself and you get done. We salute you, man.

[Joe Budden]

I appreciate that. Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Ojo's side, I think that's.

[Ish]

We're gonna make a shitload of jokes.

[Joe Budden]

But I agree with everything. Yeah, I know you. I know y'. All do. I know your ass though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How'd y' all feel about that co host part? But they did mention co host.

[Queen's Flip]

Tell us, tell us. You read it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They mentioned co host revenue or co host income.

[Joe Budden]

That's the y' all part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's the US. It said Joe Button in them. It said payment of these contractors. I guess that's us. That's the big up payment of these contractors. And the on air talent is the company's biggest expense. For example, more than $1.5 million annually goes to the co host of the Joe Button podcast. And they say they include queens. Flip Me, Mel Parks, Ish and Ice and Amani. They didn't say Imani.

[Joe Budden]

I know what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Shout out to Imani. I wasn't trying to play him. I just said. They didn't say in the article. They should have though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they should have.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Okay, that's nice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How'd that make y' all feel? Because that's gonna change. People. People will start calling y' all too.

[Ish]

I've been getting phone calls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Ish]

You're not even accurate. Well, I can't speak.

[Joe Budden]

That's a good thing. So yo, please keep calling for you.

[Ish]

No, that's a good thing. It's at 1.5 a year collectively.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, that's great. No, it said more than.

[Ish]

Oh, that's great too.

[Joe Budden]

You said more.

[Ish]

The rumors was that they. You was paying individually.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, everybody.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, yeah, no, no, that's great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rumor.

[Ish]

Where you think I'm joking?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The streets.

[Ish]

The streets be saying that make a million dollars a year up here. A piece each.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I left the streets.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

If you in the streets long enough and you're not not of it like me.

[Ish]

I don't mean those streets. I mean like the Internet streets are. They say that, but they got a calculator.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

This is prior to this, so I'm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Happy that they thought you was making 40 or 50.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, come on now.

[Ish]

I mean, I mean, yo, I mean, I hate this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But they definitely over inflated what they thought everyone up here was probably making, so it's probably good for people to.

[Ish]

Indeed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Bring them Bring them back down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if. Well, if we don't do that Times piece, then there is no voice on the independent contractor side to say what the potential could be if you go that route. Right. You always get the headlines from the people that are partnered with large deals over this year and they playing a different game with the shareholders and yada yada, yada, yada yah. But there is nobody that's going to say, hey, you could do it a different way. I mean, outside of the streamers who were just hitting that lick and saying, but even that is a but that's.

[Ish]

Still a lot of partnership.

[Joe Budden]

So yes, it's dope. It's dope to see head down, back to the work till two. I'm 50 and the ownership next five years.

[Ish]

That's. That's really what it's coming. Yeah. Like whatever happened next with. With technology or whatever, nobody can make your decisions for you when the next.

[Joe Budden]

Version of streaming drops. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Because that's the one thing you mentioned. The streamers, like you partner up with their.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Ish]

That company still owns that content though, right?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, shout out to everybody getting it out there. Yeah, everybody getting to it. Where there's a will, there's a way. And it's out there. You can do it. Where would y' all like to begin? I don't know if y' all want to start with Malcolm Jamal Warner. I don't want to bring the energy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to say I didn't want to get that heavy that soon.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you said people getting it, I was thinking about Homegirl to settle her suit with Shannon Sharpe.

[Ish]

Yeah. Gotta get it. How you get it. She got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, she's retiring from Onlyfans.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know what that means for some of y'.

[Parks]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all might be fans of hers or y' all might have an investment.

[Parks]

I'm not familiar with the lady's work.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna make a citizen's arrest if I ever see that lady. Lady. That lady needs to be under the jail.

[Ish]

Guess what else she gonna do? She gonna crack it. Busby will be right by your muffin. You crazy?

[Joe Budden]

That lady needs to be under. Under. Under the jail.

[Parks]

Did they announce how much she made?

[Ish]

No, they did, but it was enough for her to leave her only fans.

[Joe Budden]

I'm tired.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that. That to me was like the signal. Cuz they. They did the thing where like, you know, you don't disclose the amount of. Shannon got what he needed, I think, maybe to save his ESPN job potentially. Right. Which was. They both agree that it was like a tumultuous but consensual.

[Ish]

Consensual relationship. Consensual in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's major.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's where my gripe lie.

[Parks]

Cause then why.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the payment paying me to say that?

[Joe Budden]

I would like to know how y' all both came to understanding that what.

[Ish]

Took place was consensual.

[Joe Budden]

Tumultuous and consensual and not.

[Ish]

That's like when tumultuous and consensual, yet still warranted a payday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's weird.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, the initial statement was grape. I don't want to keep saying the word, but if you come out the gates with grape and land at tumultuous and consensual, I would like to know how that occur. I'd like to speak to the mediator. This lady needs to be arrested.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, the most generous read of her side.

[Ish]

I'm with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me be her attorney for a minute or her advocate for a minute. What she would say is, I was harmed, and the only way for me to get justice in this case is for me to. Is to agree that there was some consensuality to the relationship. It doesn't necessarily even mean that because you said the relationship was consensual. Not everything that happened between them is concerned the relationship was consensual. So I feel like there's some wordsmithing happening so both people can still stand on their square and say, I didn't lie, but allow them to get out of this. And from her side, it's like, I hear what you're saying, which is, if you were screaming the R word to the rafters, why are you not doing that now? And it might be, well, if this is the only way I can get justice, if I don't do this, I'm not gonna get anything.

[Ish]

What's the justice payment?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. For a lot of people, civil is the recourse, particularly if you can't get a criminal.

[Joe Budden]

And that's where depending on. And your perception of that depends on where you stand. I'm not looking at the payment as justice. I look at the payment as a shakedown. And if there was a way for you to come to an understanding that this was tumultuous, then it means that that existed when you were saying that I was graping you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But she might still feel that way. She might still feel like she was insulted. That's all I'm saying. I Don't wanna assume that because she accepted the payment that she's lying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. I'm only going by the words tumultuous and consensual.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Grape meant something. Grape meant something different when I was growing up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But remember, she's saying the relationship is consensual.

[Ish]

No, she. Dave posted text messages with them talking about relations.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I'm not disagreeing.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying the public statement that just.

[Parks]

Came out, Marcus, kind of swayed me. And there is such a thing as I gotta write my own notes now. Someone that you're with.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's true.

[Parks]

You could have a consensual relationship and still sexual assault.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I think that's what this statement is holding space for, for her to say.

[Parks]

That's what he said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying it's true now. I don't necessarily believe or not. I have no idea who's telling the truth here. I ain't got no idea who's.

[Joe Budden]

It's too beautiful over day outside for me to reply to that with the reply that. That calls for. What part? Because that's the part where it's. It's murky and uncomfortable and sensitive.

[Ish]

This is the thing. I know a person personally.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ish]

No, I mean every pod.

[Joe Budden]

You know somebody personally.

[Ish]

One of my exes, she had a boyfriend, and he. Great. She was her boyfriend. This was her man. And she told him one day, they was arguing, whatever, whatever, and he wanted to have sex and she said no, and he took it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So I'm gonna agree with Park. Say that you can be in a consensual relationship with somebody. You could have had sex with them 20, 30, 40, 50, 100 times. And this one time, or there's two times that you say no and they take it, is still constituted as grape.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, does it sound like I'm opposed to that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Because I don't.

[Ish]

No. I'm just. No, no, no. I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it doesn't sound like you say.

[Ish]

That you're that guy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think your initial statement, which makes sense, is if you said X, how's it now become Y? And I think what we're saying is she's still saying this.

[Joe Budden]

I think grapes should be treated like a crime at all times and not like the big joker in your back pocket used for convenience. I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's where it gets tough.

[Joe Budden]

And it sounds fucked up to say that, but I mean it is what's happening out here a little bit.

[Ish]

No, that's not fucked up to say. Yo, fam. I think that it's scary that any nowadays and this again, nowadays if you are a man that has any financial ascension, you have to be worried about a girl that you might have had sex with 15 years ago coming back saying, yo, 15 years ago this guy did something to me. That is a horrible feeling in a position to be in. Unless you did it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah, unless you did it.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about. And I'm not disagreeing with the women that these things happen to. We all have empathy for them. But I'm saying as a man now you are being looked at as a lick. It's a come up.

[Joe Budden]

I have more than empathy for the victims of this stuff because that's the scariest thing in the world to be thinking that you vibing with somebody who's bigger and stronger than you and. And them just, you know, that's. That's hor. That's horrifying. My heart goes out to me. So I have more than empathy for them. That experience is so terrifying that what is being turned. Sorry, this shouldn't even be.

[Parks]

Yeah, you know. You know what today is? You can't put that article out. Not think your phone's going to blow up all day.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You about put on that. Johnny Kim just got paid Friday night.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad. Hopefully everybody out there got. Got resolved. Hopefully Shannon got. Shannon's life is never the same no matter what happens.

[Queen's Flip]

And that's the never the same.

[Ish]

That's the crazy part.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And she gonna get to go off back into obscurity and anonymity. Back into this rich.

[Ish]

Yeah, rich anonymity.

[Parks]

Even if it was shorts. Compared to what the 50 fam.

[Ish]

She got seven figures, I would imagine.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I would imagine in her early 20s.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

She might have got eight figures possibly.

[Ish]

Yeah. It wouldn't shock me in your early 20s. So yeah. Nobody knows me when I'm in St. Tropez eating lobster salad, right. Shannon Sharpe walks through it like that's fucked up, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like unless he did it.

[Ish]

Unless he did it.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying I don't know. No, no, no, you're right. And the whole story is fucked up. But the last thing for me about. About this is there are some flags here. Let's take who did it or not.

[Joe Budden]

I feel nasty for fucking with them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's where I'm going.

[Ish]

Yeah, but that still don't make him a crook.

[Queen's Flip]

And that's what we. And that's where the water become. But that's where the water becomes muddy because we identify flags of this older man messing with a younger woman. But we have to hold the younger woman accountable, the people accountable. That's using this joker to put the older man into a situation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So unless he did it, unless he.

[Queen's Flip]

Did it, I have to.

[Ish]

The flags that we might look at as flags, we all collectively will look at his flag. Yo, you're 50 something years old and you dating a girl that's 19. To us you're a piece of for sure. Don't make them a crook.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It don't, but I'm just saying.

[Ish]

So the flag that we calling a flag, it ain't really a flag?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's a flag.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's still a flag.

[Ish]

It's a flag for us. It ain't a flag for the law, Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying a legal flag. I'm saying a just talking to men about making good choices, that's not one. Right?

[Ish]

That ain't one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The 20 year old girl at the gym is the worst choice you can make. That's all I'm saying. As I said, take crime off the table for a minute. Just don't do it. Your life will never be better from that.

[Queen's Flip]

Can I ask you a question? Why are we so loud when it comes to our black brothers doing this, but when the white people do it, we're not as loud?

[Ish]

Fuck them. Cause we not ask Mark.

[Queen's Flip]

I know, I hear you. But I want to ask Mark this question because it's discussion across the board. A lot of people get praised for a lot of a list. Celebrities get praised for having the young hot chick. Oh, you got they. So why are we so loud when it comes to our black brother that's in the media space?

[Joe Budden]

I'm only laughing because we said we weren't starting heavy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know, I just wanted to get some only fans jokes off. I didn't know he was gonna go down this room.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not stepping on no talks today.

[Queen's Flip]

But you stepped on him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I did just step forward.

[Joe Budden]

I don't wanna step forward.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We should start finding him or something. That's what we need to do.

[Ish]

Cause I'll be talking about that 20 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's what I'm saying, man, that shit harmed me landed on you. Yo man, you don't know how I feel about that, man.

[Queen's Flip]

I'll never be the same yeah, me neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, well, one, I think people do make fun of the DiCaprios and come after them in a certain way. And we do think it's girls. We had a whole conversation up here about Bill Belichick.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's a narrative to say that we don't do that. I think we actually do do that.

[Queen's Flip]

When I say we, I'm the broader world. The broader world. That's what I'm talking about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not us particularly, because I mean, it's a white supremacist world. Got it. Yeah. I can't even say.

[Parks]

We just heard what's his name on the ESPN making jokes about dating a 20 year old. Shane Gilles on the SP's making jokes about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And to me it's all gross. And we should all hold people accountable for that. I don't care so much about what white people do. Got it. In terms of culturally, like, I'm worried about us. So that's why I focus on us.

[Ish]

I don't like when we justify you, yo, but the whites do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fuck them exactly.

[Ish]

Like my standard or my moral compass is not the bar. Ain't what white people do. My reference point ain't what white people do. Just because white people doing it, that don't mean it's okay if we do it. If we think it's fucked shit, it's fuck shit if they do it.

[Parks]

Also, if you don't watch a lot of white media, you might not be aware you probably watch a lot more black media than you watch when we critique ours.

[Queen's Flip]

It's like we're kicking their backs in.

[Ish]

That might be true too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe they need their backs kicked in sometimes. Okay, but. But ESPN does Shannon Sharp, we gonna see him on NFL Sunday this fall.

[Parks]

They better let the Heat heat pass off for a couple months.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause that might have been with espn. That might have been their stipulation lie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but football start in a month.

[Ish]

Yeah, not even.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, his press release said back.

[Joe Budden]

Then that announcement probably was for football starting.

[Parks]

I'm sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what it feel like. It felt like a football announcement. Cause when he first took time off from espn, he said I'll be back. Back for football season.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he'll be back.

[Ish]

Yo, bro, even I got him coming back.

[Joe Budden]

I'm totally switching.

[Ish]

Beginning of the season.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't see it before, but I also didn't factor in the state of espn. Which is why he will be back. I think if Disney was. Was Big Dick Disney. Like we're used to them being. Then they Tell him to off. But that's not going to happen. They gave Pat McAfee the sports center block and let him curse. And let him curse out Stephen A. And let him. They let him do whatever he want up there because there's a new way to do things.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

So. And in that new way, Shannon's pretty important.

[Ish]

He valuable.

[Joe Budden]

Shannon Sharp is pretty important in that new way of doing things. If you go and crush him, which I'm sure there was a C suite meeting about, then who's his replacement? Right. Y' all gotta go build one. And it ain't another one.

[Ish]

No, it ain't another Shannon.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't another one.

[Ish]

It ain't another Shannon. But there are talks that saying that TV Shannon, they're basically saying it's. Well, it's not me. They saying he a B. He not an A. He needs the A to be really the Shannon that we want to see.

[Joe Budden]

Who the hell said that? Who said that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a man at the network.

[Ish]

Not me, bro. If you read any of the stuff, that's what they're saying. I love that Shannon is a B. That's what they're saying.

[Joe Budden]

Where do they get that from?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's true.

[Ish]

He is a B.

[Parks]

Historically, he's been a B outside of the show.

[Ish]

He shines as a baby.

[Joe Budden]

A B. Yeah.

[Ish]

He shines as a B. I don't think that's his comedic.

[Parks]

I don't think it's his comedic.

[Ish]

His comedic presence.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it's a dis.

[Ish]

It's not a dis.

[Parks]

It's not a dis.

[Ish]

Y. It's not a dis. We take the wrong things as this Shannon could be funny as a beat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I don't want him driving a conversation.

[Ish]

And that's where he's immensely dope. When he can be funny, when he could bring out personality and all other stuff.

[Parks]

We've also just never seen him really be the A outside of, like I.

[Joe Budden]

Said, the league on his show.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He's an A on anything that he does away from the network work.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's his point. TV Shannon ain't.

[Joe Budden]

But then we can't call him a B Mike. Or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You just said.

[Joe Budden]

Then we can't call him a B Mike because anybody is a B Mic next to Skip Bis, who has the deal at ESPN, ESPN and FS1.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

He's not bringing in nobody to be A.

[Ish]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

And he was A. A enough next to Skip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They not Putting him with just A mics. They putting him next to dynamic people that run shit. Stephen A. So the effect that he's having is a mic effect. The revenue he brings in, the advertisers, all that is a Mike. So I'm not. I cannot go to sleep and call him a bike.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, he should just wait for the A mic to go on vacation and then just take that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the rumor was that ESPN was clearing out that whole PTI slot and all of that shit for Shannon to be the A mic.

[Ish]

And now that just bought them leverage. All the shit bought them leverage. Let's say his deal for 100 million might not have been 100. Let's say it was 75.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Now you get him on a cheat.

[Ish]

Now you getting them for 35.

[Joe Budden]

Now you get them on the cheap, right?

[Ish]

Now you get them for 35.

[Joe Budden]

I think that is bull.

[Ish]

That's nasty. That's crazy. It's crazy. Unless he does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which part? Catching the talented A Mike and the bad times and bringing them in and making them just be Mike.

[Joe Budden]

I think this is. This situation is really up. I know you telling a joke. This situation, I think is really, really up.

[Queen's Flip]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

It's real up. It take a lot of time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think so. I'm struck. You know what I. Does it depend on what? Again, part of me is like, if he did it right, that's that. Let's take that off the table though, right?

[Ish]

If you take that off the table.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you take that off the table.

[Ish]

He just did some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Made some dumbass choices. Repeatedly.

[Ish]

We've all made dumbass choices in our life. They shouldn't be 50 million dollar choices.

[Parks]

Well, if I'm paying you $100 million, I would hope that you make better choices.

[Ish]

Cause he didn't get paid $100 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause they talk about Disney. I mean, part of it is like, this hurts Disney.

[Ish]

This came out once it was rumored that he was gonna get $100 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, y' all think it's the. Oh, you thinking like that the next month? No, no, I'm saying you think that was like a deliberate.

[Ish]

Like, the next month. Oh, you getting what? Buzz buzzing. He buzzing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you, fam.

[Ish]

Like, man, please.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel. I don't know.

[Ish]

Yo, if he didn't do it, Anytime I see something, bro, my question is always, why is it happening right now?

[Joe Budden]

Now?

[Ish]

Why am I getting this information right now? That's it. So when that. When. When Shorty dropped the lawsuit and everything. Okay, why write this so I hear what you said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I, I thought you were saying something even more devious. I thought you said the network was in on it.

[Ish]

No, no, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that it wouldn't shock me, but I'm not saying that. But I just. Why right now? Whether somebody put her up to it, whether it was her and her own brain doing it, whatever. I find it ironic that soon as the news hit yo, he's looking at $100 million deal now this happens now you don't get the hundred million dollar deal.

[Parks]

I don't think it's that deep of a conspiracy. If I see someone that's on a massive ascension and about to go to the fucking stratosphere and I have a potentially reason to sue, right? I'm gonna fucking sue right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It makes sense. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, the reason I'm not looking at it like he did something, and I'll say this in closing, is because no other entity out there is looking at it like he did something. And yes, she got some civil money, but as we've just seen, the state could watch this, the feds could watch this. If we feel like you broke a law, we are gonna come for criminal charges against you. None of that's happening. She just got paid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's tough on sexual assault though, you know what I'm saying? Cause it's like one word against the other, you know what I'm saying? Like it's hard to.

[Joe Budden]

All they need is. We just saw. All they need is. All they need is a witness.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but they didn't win. I must say they got the ass kicked. The only thing they got was the prostitution part. And that's what a whole investigation. That's with a whole lot of investigation. But in this case, you talking about just a one on one act.

[Queen's Flip]

I hear what you're saying about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? I'm just saying it's hard to prove sexual assault in general.

[Queen's Flip]

I got you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Queen's Flip]

Again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm not saying she. I don't. Again, I have no idea who's telling the truth here. I just know that if I work for Disney and I know that that particular brand has an investment in the host being spotless. I know going in that even fucking a 20 year old onlyfans model is bad for business. As opposed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

In terms of choices, I agree with that thousand percent.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Ish]

But when he was fucking shorty, that was three years before he became the man that we see that's eligible for $100 million deal. He met her when she was 19.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he was still fucking as recently as like last January way. What it was real recently.

[Ish]

He was her for like two or three years.

[Parks]

And he wasn't nobody, by the way, three years ago.

[Ish]

But he wasn't $100 million man.

[Joe Budden]

I still think that you need to behave.

[Ish]

No, he should definitely have practiced a.

[Joe Budden]

Certain amount different level of discernment as a $50 million man. As a $20 million, as a $1 billion man. Needs to have more discipline to. And I'm down to have a conversation about his decision making and discernment or lack thereof. Just not in this. In this situation. I'm with Mark. If he did that, this punishment is not enough. True. And if he didn't do it. Boy, this is twisted.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I think that's a good summation.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's what I got for y'. All.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

On that. In brighter news, music.

[Ish]

We got some new music, man.

[Joe Budden]

We got a Monday drop.

[Parks]

I love the Monday drop. I love the non Friday. I love the non. Midnight. I love everything different from the drops that we usually get.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Me too.

[Parks]

Midnight is a brutal time to stay up and listen to music on a school night.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Especially when y' all not making memorable music.

[Parks]

That part too.

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Saturday. Saturday. I forgot y' all dropped.

[Ish]

Forcing myself to get through this.

[Parks]

Stay up till 12:30 and get some mid.

[Joe Budden]

And then don't let it be one of those. Oh, we we up.

[Ish]

It ain't dropped yet.

[Joe Budden]

It'll.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. No, no.

[Parks]

I stop waiting up for them if it's not there. 12:05.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a rat. See you in the morning.

[Joe Budden]

I want to shout out even how he announced that I think my sister was at that show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We took on. Tyler the creator.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Tyler the creator. Brand new album. He just did. He just did. However many nights in New York City sold out. My little sister went. Everybody had a blast.

[Parks]

And my niece went to Philly. Said it was an amazing show. I can't wait to go there.

[Joe Budden]

Can't wait. We in there. Yeah, we in there. So. But just to announce a full length project in the middle of your four nights sold out in New York City with three days. Three days notice. Two days notice. Like that was ridiculous. That's some bold shit. Actually.

[Ish]

He didn't even. He just put a date up.

[Joe Budden]

Cause people was rumored. Is it a video?

[Ish]

What's he. Nobody. Well, a handful of people. We didn't think A new album is dropping in the middle of the tour. Like, all right, you dropping a video for your song or you dropping, you know, maybe a deluxe or something, a brand new album while you're already touring your last album.

[Parks]

I do want to mention. I don't know that this is. I don't know if it feels or if he considers this to be an album in the same way he's considered his last several. It's very short. It's 30 minutes, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

29.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It felt a little mixtape to me. That's. That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

What's the difference today?

[Joe Budden]

Not much as an album.

[Ish]

Yeah. Album, man.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He. He ain't about to call it a mixtape. Well, even if he did on the back end, it ain't. Yeah.

[Parks]

Ain't gonna sell it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Same, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, not at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't get a chance to listen to it yet because I was tired of it. How good is it?

[Ish]

It's. I like it. First of all, you're either gonna love or hate this album. I went right into it. All right, first off, let's rewind a little bit. A fake track list started going around. Lot of hip hop features on there. Kendrick clips, you know, stuff like. And he addressed that. Hey, this is fake. Y' all can stop. Another tweet goes out, and I see all that talk about a concept album. This ain't that either. Y' all can stop. So that I found weird because if you're doing a surprise drop or surprise announcement, it's like. So I'm like, okay, he's gearing up for something different, and he's trying to prep people for it. Hey, don't expect whatever you're expecting. So I kind of in my head was like, okay, he's going left field a little bit. Yeah, this is a.

[Parks]

It's a future of. To me.

[Ish]

You know what it reminded me of?

[Parks]

It goes back to that vibe. To me.

[Ish]

You know what it reminded me of? When Snoop made sexual seduction. Like the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ish]

The beat. How you hear him sing over. It's not usually what you used to, but it still worked.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's how I feel about this album.

[Parks]

Interesting.

[Ish]

Different, of course, not the same.

[Parks]

This has reminded me of earlier Tyler, where it was a little more chaotic. At least the first half is a little more chaotic and less melodic as opposed to the last few albums. A little more edgy. Still very hip hop. Like, he's rapping. It's got like a 80s kind of it, actually somewhere. It felt to me somewhere between 80s like Run Run DMC. The 80s hip hop like Def Jam hip hop. And like 2000s hip hop.

[Ish]

See, I heard. I heard that. Run like you said, early 80s.

[Joe Budden]

Ll reminded me of this.

[Parks]

Yeah, we got some of that too.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I got. Hey, I could just hear Tyler verse over this and be fine.

[Ish]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

We play some other. Hey, play some other. Did this. Tyler remind me of. And the jam is pumping. Look at here, the crowd is jumping. Pump it up a little more. Get the party going on again. Well, what this is sound like the greatest gay night in the history of gay nights. Hold up. This just sound like where my shit at? Hold up, hold up, man.

[Ish]

Cece.

[Unknown]

Hey.

[Parks]

Nah, you taking too far.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it sound like.

[Parks]

Hey, Nah, I didn't get that.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, tonight.

[Joe Budden]

No, right after this. I got you. I'mma play some Tyler flip. You can't with me on the white bops, boy.

[Queen's Flip]

This is the night. That's not the song.

[Ish]

Nah.

[Parks]

What song is?

[Joe Budden]

You too young. Uh oh. You too young to know this.

[Ish]

I don't know the name of it.

[Parks]

I just know the words.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry, you got a hook coming on for you dancing. Hey.

[Unknown]

You don't know about this?

[Queen's Flip]

Nigga, you know the fuck out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Nick. Let's go. Go. Let's go, let's go.

[Queen's Flip]

I know this.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you too young for this. Let's go. Tyler, talk to him.

[Ish]

No, I ain't get this.

[Parks]

I didn't get that. I see how you could, cuz. I mean, it's still that same. It's the 80s, synthesized drums and synthesizers.

[Ish]

The same thing.

[Parks]

I was talking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Definitely making me not want to listen to this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this making me. Let's go. Hey.

[Queen's Flip]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Duh. Hey, you playing new Tyler? Ring, ring, ring.

[Parks]

I like this right here.

[Joe Budden]

I like it too. Me too. I like it too. I like the second half of the project. Me too. Yeah, the first couple.

[Parks]

Like I said, feels like old. Older Tyler.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Ace it right now. It sound like the gay took all your ecstasy. It sound like the gay stole your drug stash.

[Ish]

Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday we love.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, let's go, let's. I like that song. I do like that song. I like a lot of shit on this album. I like that song. Let's see more Tyler. More Tyler. For your head tops. Let's see here. Tyler. Do do do do, do do. Where's that song?

[Ish]

She sound like Apollonia 6. Oh, look at you, bro. When I get to snapping, like, do really got the juice like Tupac got a strong jaw.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My ch got me coming out the blue like Luke.

[Ish]

I've been rocking by myself on the. I flew say I'm too sick.

[Joe Budden]

Hot ch.

[Parks]

Old Tyler vibes.

[Ish]

NWA.

[Joe Budden]

It'S like when the gay in the club try to beef with you. You got.

[Ish]

Karate, karate.

[Queen's Flip]

He in the back.

[Parks]

You can't say that as a guy that played.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you know, I just learned today that brolic is not a word.

[Ish]

It is in the hood. Everybody here know what I mean?

[Parks]

They didn't put it in the dictionary like the other shits.

[Joe Budden]

They had to. Oh, it's in the urban. No, brolic is not a real word. And I did not know that until I went and tried to type it today after the Times article.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get them read on the mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit, nigga. Yo, you know how I know I'm getting old? Spell check. Don't even understand what I'm trying to write.

[Parks]

Me either. Yeah, it's my. That's my ops.

[Joe Budden]

They don't even get what I'm. They don't help me no more. They be like, huh.

[Ish]

That really ain't a.

[Joe Budden]

No, it ain't a word slang term.

[Ish]

It's not a word y' all really thought.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, man, Mark, we in the urban dictionary.

[Ish]

It's. We think the hood is bigger than what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Apparently.

[Ish]

Mesomorphically chiseled, buff, muscular, diesel built mesomorphically. Is that.

[Parks]

You shouldn't say mess.

[Joe Budden]

You wouldn't be so smart neither, if Frasier had his education fund. Oh, that's the real scam of the family. Oh.

[Queen's Flip]

That'S funny, son.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Anyway. Oh, you acting like Mel.

[Ish]

Oh, right after the first.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, brothers and sisters and his wife just called.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Mark, we like too mature for this. Oh, my God. Take your any.

[Ish]

What do y' all think overall, though, about the album?

[Parks]

I didn't. I didn't love it like I've loved the last five or so Tyler projects, but I still enjoyed it.

[Ish]

I enjoyed it. I. Yeah, I'm with you. It's not the last. I would say. What? Igor.

[Parks]

We listen to Chroma Copia at the lake. My niece was playing it. Probably. She was hyped to see this. Now, that's incredible.

[Ish]

I went back to that.

[Parks]

So incredible.

[Ish]

Weeks ago, getting ready for the tour. So I've just been listening to a bunch of Tyler.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Parks]

That was incredible.

[Ish]

I do with this album, though.

[Parks]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

I. I just gotta figure out where he wanted me to with this at, right? I put it on my. I put it on in the gym first, which was a mistake.

[Ish]

Yeah, no, this is not.

[Parks]

I kind of with it in the gym today.

[Ish]

Oh, no, that nwa I just heard you could.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Parks]

No, that is nice. Up tempo, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

That's what I thought.

[Ish]

100 miles and running. You good?

[Joe Budden]

I put that on in the gym. And it was for me. It wasn't helping.

[Parks]

Cuz you kept thinking about some gay.

[Ish]

You couldn't listen to the club.

[Parks]

You can't put up no weight while you think about some gay jokes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Doing the cleaning.

[Joe Budden]

Jerk.

[Parks]

Yo, here we go.

[Ish]

The snatch.

[Joe Budden]

And with the tight ass.

[Ish]

I was about to say you had shorts off.

[Joe Budden]

Alo workout shorts. They not even showing your dick print. They showing your ball. So now it just look like you in the gym with a camel. The dude camel.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they're showing your balls.

[Parks]

So you started writing the gay jokes in your head, and then you looked in the mirror and we're like, oh, maybe I relate.

[Ish]

Let me put it. Let me put a child in there.

[Joe Budden]

Then I went to turn it on. Then I went to turn it on. Like when I was starting my day getting the shower and I was like, nah, this is.

[Queen's Flip]

Work.

[Joe Budden]

I just got to figure out he wanted me to hear that at the rave or some at the sound factory. He. I got to figure out where he wanted me to get into this bag.

[Parks]

Put it on in the drive. Yeah, put it on the drive. It was all right.

[Ish]

Highway music, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, see, I don't drive. All right, y' all are driving. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Queen's Flip]

You should start driving.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

Got a lot of. Got a lot of nice toys out there.

[Queen's Flip]

You should drive, you know, Driver's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I can't afford nice toy. We. We.

[Ish]

We saw.

[Queen's Flip]

Yes.

[Ish]

Remember you came in here, set all the keys on the table.

[Parks]

Remember Colorful already.

[Ish]

You got some new keys.

[Queen's Flip]

You said all the keys, gang.

[Ish]

No, I heard you got new keys.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have new keys.

[Queen's Flip]

And you put the keys right there too. Separated them too.

[Parks]

It's like the whole map of Europe.

[Ish]

Color coordinated.

[Queen's Flip]

All the things, man, you know.

[Ish]

Yo, just throw me that orange.

[Queen's Flip]

You see, he tried to make up people. Listen. Let me just say he tries to make this face when like to try to not encourage me to keep going in. But today, today, for the first time, you may see a lot of cuts. You may see me come outside, go outside, come back in with a different expression. Today is the day that we pushed a line today. He does this thing where he look at me and like when he turn his head like, nigga, hey, shut up. Nah, not today. Not today at all.

[Ish]

You want it flipped?

[Queen's Flip]

Kinda, kinda. Just wanted to support my man, that's all.

[Joe Budden]

And I need that support. So thank you. Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

[Queen's Flip]

I need to be a little more supportive, a little more jolly. Because when you do that, it look like, you know, pops call. Hey, yo, Flip, doing that again. I don't want no smoke.

[Joe Budden]

Got 20 million reasons to be jolly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, pretty good.

[Ish]

Couple more. Like way more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Way more.

[Joe Budden]

You probably know it's gonna say that no matter what.

[Ish]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna say that's not true. You thinking he do know you.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Queen's Flip]

He know you.

[Ish]

You know what, it's funny real quick. It's funny watching everybody else react to you now though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You might get some IOU now if that was your thing that you wanted to.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not looking for that. I love my baby. Nah, I ain't talking about I love my baby.

[Ish]

I'm talking about your peers.

[Joe Budden]

And I believe in marriage. That's funny now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good answer. He really believes in marriage.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, yo, mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Before next April 15th, huh?

[Joe Budden]

No doubt about it. You know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna tell you who gonna be married before April 15th. No, I believe in man.

[Queen's Flip]

It's very smart. Very smart.

[Joe Budden]

What was we talking about?

[Parks]

Just Tyler.

[Joe Budden]

Skin.

[Queen's Flip]

Looking good.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, Tyler.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, last week also Raekwon's album came out.

[Joe Budden]

That was New Clothes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, which was. It's a solid album. I enjoyed it. You know, I heard some extreme takes on the album, like this is the greatest album ever and this is the worst album ever. Neither is true. I think it's a slightly above average album and it's really enjoyable. And I also like the fact that it's licensed. It's a deal with Mass Appeal Records. Through his company, Mass Appeal's put out a whole string of albums over the next couple of years with a lot of the legends. Slick Rick has a new one out for premiere now. It's got one coming out. So just keep an eye out on these new records because there's a lot of OG rappers that's putting out good music projects out. I just want to shout them out too. That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. At some point I'd like to discuss how the older rappers seem to be kicking all the younger rappers rappers ass. And I think this might be the first time in hip hop history where That's a fact.

[Parks]

Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. Rapping. I listen to a quality new albums from people who I like. Like young girls, maybe 20s, early 30s, rappers on the way at 10 hours of road time this weekend. And then I put on Raekwon, which is a good album. It's not like some spectacular. It's solid.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But it was immediately apparent of like, good rapping versus what today's version of good rapping is, bro.

[Ish]

That clips album, good rap might have.

[Joe Budden]

Really, you know, better than good.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's better than good, bro. It might have really been a pivot that hip hop needs.

[Joe Budden]

I think that was a real cultural moment. I ain't gonna.

[Ish]

Yes, you disagree? I think it was a cultural moment. I don't think it's going to pivot anything.

[Parks]

Yeah, I think. I wish it would, but I don't have faith in that happening.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't. Not at all. We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

I think the pivot started even before that. I think they might be the climax of it. But you are going to have to figure out a way to make your food last.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And it's always good to be able to lean on cultural economic equity. And not just that I don't want to say any names and insult people, but just that I don't think we.

[Parks]

Have to speak in coaches. I think that like just being good at what you do should. We live in a meritocracy, unfortunately. And if you want to have a long career in music or in media or in performing or anything, like hone on your craft and get really good at it, man.

[Ish]

Look, as much as I don't rely.

[Parks]

On tricks, go ahead, cut you off.

[Ish]

I'm sorry. As much as I love this clip's album, album, you know, pushes my guy. Nothing against them. This album was a master class in marketing, how to. How to properly roll out and market your album. Because there's been people that's been rapping at good quality, putting out good music. They just ain't been heard.

[Parks]

I agree with that.

[Ish]

This is independent, everybody. So they went. Hold on. So they went and. And did they thing and got the album in front of the people they needed to get the album in front of. They did the work. They did.

[Parks]

That's what I've been preaching up here for.

[Ish]

No, they did. But what I'm saying is there are albums that are as good, good or better than this album that did not do the work. So people didn't hear them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but.

[Ish]

But it's not a combination because if they did all of the work, if they went and sat in front of all of the platforms and they did all that shit and the product wasn't good, that shit's gonna land on deaf ears. I don't give a how many couches you sit on, how many desks you go talk to in front of the people. If the quality of the album was trash, that ain't gonna hit like a hit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what I wanted to add to your point Free because a lot of people have talked about the master class of a rollout they did. It's been. And how to market. But it's also been a master class in how not to market. Right. Like they were really intentional with where they sat, why they sat there, who that audience was and who was getting this message. I know the people they skipped and you could clearly see why they are skipping these places. Places versus the normal rollout of a publicist trying to get their act just.

[Ish]

In front of many eye that they.

[Joe Budden]

All the eyes in the world. Back in my day they was talking about some. When Syreeta was bringing me to some websites I didn't want to talk to. She'd be like, oh, they get this amount of clicks and this amount of impressions and this amount. We have to sit there like why? Why? Who are these people? Who is this audience? Who am I even talking to? So they would just extra intentional.

[Ish]

Yeah but they could do that as independent. But even in the interviews, bro, them have a way of.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not going to keep calling them independent either.

[Ish]

They likable, B. They are even when you go sit down like they aren't performing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ish]

Oh no, they are performing. They are likable. The way they speak to people. All of that stuff they just likable men. And so I think that plays a part into people wanting to hear their music too.

[Joe Budden]

How are they independent?

[Parks]

They're independent with the distribution which now looks not independent.

[Joe Budden]

How are they independent with the distribution? You.

[Ish]

You own all your. You sign a distribution deal that still keeps you indie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You're still technically independent.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Y' all doing that. Chance the Rapper, y' all know Roc Nation now is acting as a one stop shop after you purchase the. The every arm that they need to act that way.

[Parks]

To be clear, most of the big distributors are though so I understand what you're saying. Are what most of like the empires and they've been moving like major labels for a long decade.

[Joe Budden]

So you view and I don't want to do real What Empire is doing the same as what Rock Nation.

[Parks]

Similar. It's very.

[Ish]

It's very similar. Maybe different relationships, but very similar.

[Parks]

It's different in that Roc Nation has. And that's why Vertical or whatever, integration, they have management, they have live venue. It's different for sure.

[Joe Budden]

And that don't sound like independent to me, but I get what. You're just apples. Apples and oranges. They. Amazing album.

[Parks]

Do they own that? Did they. Did they pay for the creation of it?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I don't know.

[Ish]

The clips is your thing.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah. Which I was under the impression they did. Maybe I'm wrong, but if they did those things, then I think that that's enough.

[Ish]

They didn't. I don't think they able to walk away from Def Jam with that album.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Like, you leave. Okay, cool.

[Joe Budden]

But this is ours, right?

[Ish]

And you go and start from scratch and build whatever over there.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Maybe I'm a hater. I'm not calling clips independent. Cause when we sat there and said, hey, how did. Hey, how did you get away from Def Jam? In that moment, they looked at Steven Victor over here, who has all the clout and cachet and relationship strength that one would need. And if he needed to just write a quote, a quick six million dollar check, if he did that, then he could do that while independent.

[Parks]

While I agree with you and I'm with you, I also don't like taking away from independence because they did a really good job.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Parks]

You know what I mean? Like, I think we should normalize independence, looking and operating really well and functional people around me, as opposed to finding a loophole. Like, oh, that's not quite independent because. Because Jay Z's there and it's like, oh, I mean, is it or is it not? Like, just because they did a good job doesn't make it not independent.

[Joe Budden]

That's a good point. That's a good point. I don't have anything.

[Ish]

No, no, that's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was a good point. And I don't want to sound like I'm shooting on clips because I just love.

[Ish]

Yeah, I love what they're doing.

[Joe Budden]

Independent, not independent. It's great. And I hope the trend continues of.

[Ish]

I think it was. But that freedom, what I was speaking to more so is that freedom to be able to. You, yo, we going here, here, here. Comes from being independent.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Parks]

That's true too.

[Ish]

Otherwise you get what was happening to you. Hey, go sit over here. I don't want to go sit there. Well, go sit over there.

[Parks]

A relationship with them. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I can't say they're not independent because they have Steven, Victor and Pharrell and Jay Z. Yeah, that's.

[Parks]

They just have a relationship set up for independence.

[Joe Budden]

Just a good time to be independent. There you go. Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It sure is a good time, isn't it?

[Joe Budden]

Good time to be independent. I'm just saying, you know, you independent, you miss the super chat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know what you talking about, man.

[Joe Budden]

You miss. You are miss super chat.

[Ish]

Super chat.

[Queen's Flip]

Dolly.

[Unknown]

Dolly.

[Joe Budden]

Dolly.

[Queen's Flip]

All right, enough about you know what.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Time it is anytime your favorite show.

[Joe Budden]

Something. Yeah, let's talk about how much money Mark is making. I don't make no money. Prize licks. I know how much money Mark making cuz he ain't slept in month that let you know what's going on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true. He called me and says I gotta go.

[Joe Budden]

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[Parks]

Yeah, I don't know if we were.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people are saying that they hate it.

[Ish]

I, I, I, I don't think this is a middle ground album. Like, either. Like I said at the start, either you going to really like it or you're going to absolutely hate it. And it really just depends on when you got interested, introduced to Tyler's music.

[Parks]

Yeah, agree.

[Ish]

Like, if you're a new Tyler fan and you like that sound that he's been on and then you hear this, I'm like, what the is this? I absolutely hate it.

[Joe Budden]

Right. So, yeah, I think my little sister, who I'm learning is a huge Tyler fan, is going to love this project. I think this project does a good job of like, like you said, freeze them. When did you meet this guy? Like, his fan base is kind of all over the place.

[Parks]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

This album made me go back to Vince Staples.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Album. There's one more album this album made me go back to. I'm trying to find it, but, yeah, he was in nothing. He was in the back.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Different. I like different. I like when artists try to be different, even if it don't all the way hit with me again. Some of that first half of this project was like, maybe too rich for my taste. Yeah. But the second half, I like some of that. I do. Shout out to Tyler. Shout out to the Tyler fan base. Tyler's come a long way from the him and Khaled feud, which for me with every passing day becomes the Junior, the Junior Whopper version of 50 and Kanye. Yeah.

[Parks]

Like, Khaled was hating Khaled.

[Joe Budden]

Was they? Yeah, Khaled was they. He was in that. But to look at where Tyler comes from, from that is like, he's gotta feel like the clips feel like y' all throwing my name in with some of these pop acts and some of these people with all the backing in the world is like, that's a compliment within itself.

[Queen's Flip]

What's the projection of his album?

[Parks]

Tyler's going to do numbers. I don't know. I, I would guess 150 plus. For sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Short week.

[Parks]

Don't, don't. I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

150 on the low end.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

150 is impressive.

[Joe Budden]

150 on the low end.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's a short week.

[Ish]

What did you say? What is the short week?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I said this is the short week. So I think that, I think that the real tell will be if it's that the second week is going to stay steady. They just have two amazing strong weeks.

[Ish]

Anybody know the projections for the Clips second week?

[Parks]

No idea.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the second week should be out on the Clips.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Second week should be out on the Clips. Absolutely. I ain't that bad with time.

[Ish]

I know they had six records on the billboard.

[Joe Budden]

Too high.

[Parks]

Cormacopia to 299.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. This is 150 is the low end of this.

[Parks]

Oh, it might do. It might do something. Yeah. My bad. My bad, Tyler.

[Joe Budden]

The album before that did. Did crazy numbers.

[Parks]

My bad, Tyler. Yeah. I think you probably cracked two. Something. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

God damn. Don't let him have bundles.

[Parks]

That vinyl look Fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the clear vinyl.

[Parks]

And I like the imagery.

[Joe Budden]

I like the B boy with the. With the chain. And I. I like it videos fire, too. I'm still mad that I was working when. When Tyler did that show over there that I wanted to go to.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I just had a tough week. Come on, man. Cuz. Y Yachty invited me to that show months ago.

[Parks]

You got to roll with a Sunday, man.

[Ish]

The one the other day.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not here Sunday.

[Ish]

Oh, no, it's.

[Joe Budden]

I'm taking my family to Turks. Damn. Yeah, I'm not here, rich man.

[Parks]

I'll get up FaceTime with you.

[Ish]

I wouldn't know. Only Turks. I've seen family.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody here is taking a trip with their family. Family but me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, Turks is the part. That's the rich part.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Turks.

[Ish]

I wouldn't know nothing about that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even know it was you took a trip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had to Google the up ish.

[Ish]

We going to Jamaica.

[Joe Budden]

Don't let the science article change how y'. All. You have taken mad trips to Portugal. He was on a yacht. Can. How you say it? Ami coast.

[Ish]

I don't know how to say this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, don't come in.

[Ish]

We saw this with the water underneath the whole. We saw all that you showed us.

[Joe Budden]

Flip. You definitely been to Jones beach with your family. Oh, shoot. You've been to. What's that beach? What's that beach in Long Island. You've been to Coney Island. You've been to all the islands with your family?

[Queen's Flip]

My family, Right.

[Joe Budden]

Crack that, Flip. I been to Atlantic City, where I been, Pennsylvania. You have been on trips with y' all families. This is my first time.

[Queen's Flip]

I a take my family. Yo, watch, look.

[Ish]

That's what he took from that.

[Queen's Flip]

I a take my family at Coney island, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Since my two little brothers have been out the house. My dad and his wife have been in Atlantic City every little chance they get, like birds. They there right now.

[Ish]

I believe you.

[Joe Budden]

You call me at school.

[Queen's Flip]

Where your brothers at?

[Joe Budden]

They at school already doing a. Well, they doing summer program.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Summer, whatever.

[Ish]

The DOF or whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Three weeks. Where you learn? The school.

[Ish]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, they outta there. So my dad is in Atlantic City. He is a fucking thot, yo. His wife keep grabbing the phone, talking about Joey. He's on the boardwalk looking at ass. Hey, at his age, that's what you're supposed to do. Sorry, Jackie. Facts love you.

[Ish]

His age.

[Joe Budden]

My mom's so cute. She called me the other day. Song. So I showed your dad and Jackie how to hear the podcast over the phone. I was like, well, how was they listening to it? She's like, I don't know. I didn't ask.

[Queen's Flip]

Shout out to your mom.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo. Oh, my parents are sick. Anyway, Tyler, congrats.

[Ish]

Congrats, man.

[Joe Budden]

You and your bag gay. Congrats.

[Ish]

Do we think anything so stupid? Possibly a reach, but do we?

[Joe Budden]

You about to do it. Go ahead.

[Ish]

I'm ask. I'mma ask. Anyway. Do we think he's trying to stir. Stir the pot a little bit with this? With the new video he dropped?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, since you asked, I'll share something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That.

[Ish]

Girl, I wasn't gonna say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I'll share something that only I believe.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I haven't asked anybody about this. I don't care what anybody else thinks about it. I think that every feature on Eclipse album is together in one thought.

[Parks]

Oh, I. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ish]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Joe Budden]

And nobody said that. But. But they all are aligned in. In one way.

[Ish]

In principle.

[Joe Budden]

Some of them may not say it, but every one of them. Nah, it's all of it. That's. That's my whole thing. I don't rattle on what I know for real. But yeah, that's what I think. So that's it. Okay, so if you're saying that. Falls in line.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Falls in line. I'm not going to do that because.

[Ish]

For those who don't know what I'm speaking to, Tyler also put the video out for Stop playing with me. And the video reminds me of Kendrick's Squabble up video. Just from the layout, it looks like it.

[Joe Budden]

It looks like it.

[Ish]

You know, just. Just he had two speakers there, some stuff going on, and he's standing there rapping in the middle of the screen. And then at one moment LeBron and Mav pop up next to him.

[Joe Budden]

Maverick Art Harder Not Math Hoffa. Yeah. Sound like you said math. You know your voice know your voice is ugly.

[Ish]

Oh, well, you want me to do. And then in the next scene, the clips pop up next to him while he's rapping.

[Joe Budden]

And some more Louie. The clips don't run out of no Louis. They not running out.

[Ish]

They ain't.

[Joe Budden]

No. Not at all. They ain't slowing down.

[Ish]

Got custom everywhere.

[Parks]

Yeah, a video is cool how when you like it, it did like its own emoji on it. I never seen that before.

[Ish]

Oh no, that. That's been happening. Yeah, they do that holla like Father's Day all holidays if you like certain team tweets and it'll. Oh, the thing pop up. They do that when you like it. Yeah.

[Parks]

It's like a broken. I wouldn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Technology.

[Ish]

But yeah, I was just wondering which I, you know, thought about it.

[Joe Budden]

Old rappers kicking these young rappers up ass. You talking about. That's Tyler. That's the clips. The old rappers. This is the only time in history.

[Ish]

Where he went crazy.

[Joe Budden]

This is true.

[Ish]

And he went crazy on that. On that clip.

[Joe Budden]

In such a predatory business.

[Ish]

Don't be giving him the real. He went nuts on that clip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cool.

[Ish]

Oh yeah, crazy.

[Joe Budden]

He did go nuts. But that the clips on pov to me, both of those verses are in verse of the year talks both of them Pusha and malice.

[Ish]

And I got malice verse on Fico up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my one. That's the best verse on the verse on Fight.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy and malice verse on Fight.

[Ish]

And I got malice verse on so far. All right, we.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to keep and Meek on the Friday joint. But outside of Meek, it's been malice. That push verse is tough to me. I ain't going to hold you though. And not. Not enough is being said about it because of how niggas feel about Jim. But all I see is 68 stars 20 year thousand years. And then the rhyme, the whole verse with Thousandaires pushes a. He's different. Yo, I ain't gonna hold you. Yeah, I'm saying that as an emcee. Listen to that. Oh my God.

[Parks]

That's not the easiest rhyme.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody would. No MC would pick take thousand dollars a thousandaire to do this whole verse. It's just a headache. It's just a headache. I'm leaving that he stayed there and killed Jim. Yo, you zoo's YouTube network get these 5,500 hosting out of here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

And Anytime the clips drop the beat out, somebody die. Both of them push and malice. Yeah. When the beat drop out, a shot is heard around the earth. Get these 50. That's how I feel about these are showing up anywhere. Just doing any.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about us?

[Joe Budden]

Get these 5,500 are hosting out of here. Yeah. Cause they be popping up like they big. You are there for some Twizzlers.

[Parks]

And that's a lot of Twizzlers. Hey, I don't know.

[Ish]

You talking about. Show out his mind.

[Parks]

That's a lot of Twizzlers. $5,500 for Twizzlers.

[Ish]

I could do a lot. I can get a lot of Twizzlers. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. It's a trap.

[Ish]

No, it ain't no trap. It's just levels.

[Joe Budden]

It's a trap to me.

[Ish]

You not on that level over there.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, you're not. I don't even take it that way.

[Ish]

You say I'm doing 5,500 hosting. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I'm gonna do a bunch of them. It depends on where it's at.

[Joe Budden]

But you also gonna walk like if it's local, like, you took the 5,500. It hosting is what I'm saying. I'm not on that. My hostings was for less than that. Hold on. Don't. Don't let me get to talking. I'm saying you forgot that, though, when I. No, I did not. Those that forget a doom saying. You don't talk like those that forget a doom. To repeat. I ain't forget a goddamn thing.

[Ish]

Sakur to over there, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying I didn't forget.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop dissing the 5500 on us, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ish]

Hey, Mark. Mark.

[Queen's Flip]

You don't talk.

[Ish]

Hey, Mark, who the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was in Newark this morning for free. I'm out here.

[Queen's Flip]

Just you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, that's the love.

[Joe Budden]

What about the Freedom program?

[Queen's Flip]

We know how much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We know how much you sausage.

[Queen's Flip]

You know, we know how much you get.

[Ish]

Kings, turkey, sausage, eggs.

[Joe Budden]

I know what you did, but it did sound gay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We know how with that shirt on, it's all confusing. We.

[Queen's Flip]

We know how much you make for the speaking engagements. We know.

[Ish]

Yeah, we do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. But you. You buying F6s and Hoy.

[Queen's Flip]

No, that's not about me. No, it's about you. We know how much you make and speaking engagements coming back. Right.

[Joe Budden]

Why black people so ashamed to be doing good?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm proud to be doing good because.

[Ish]

We come from A place where when you're doing too good, you walk in the house and somebody tied up, right? Pretty much, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said we just not doing good like you. We can't ship on the 55 because we trying to do the 55s.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying? I don't think, I don't think it's. I don't think it's not in your future. I. I don't think. I don't think what I'm doing. I don't think what I'm doing is. Is far fetched for anybody. Any of the do actually I should be the. The reason that people have more hope that they could do do that. I think that's how I feel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're inspired.

[Queen's Flip]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

I know y' all don't care, but in the 90s, when I got put on imaginable, you know what you got.

[Ish]

Put in your thing?

[Queen's Flip]

No, I understand.

[Joe Budden]

When I come from. From you couldn't convince somebody else that there was a way that you could get to that. So it's cute while we looking back in hindsight, but in the process, like.

[Ish]

Yo, you know Paul Pierce told Shorty, man, you good with them words. You gotta put down your video. You come with words. That boy will pivot, get up off his.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So right.

[Joe Budden]

I pay all the taxes. If y' all want to sit here and talk about me for an hour, I'm cool. There's nothing they could do. They took it already. Wow.

[Ish]

I mean, stop playing with the people, man.

[Joe Budden]

They can do a lot of. Yeah, they came. Yeah, but they took y' all too, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't make enough of them to.

[Joe Budden]

Take our probably paying out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I get.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I get a refund. I get a refund.

[Ish]

I get a refund.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I be loving May, man. I get a little bit back that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm all right. Go ahead, go ahead, play. I'm g. Let y' all play where we at. All right. Tyler. Congratulations. Congrats. Congratulations. What else? What else?

[Ish]

What else do you think he real quick on Tyler, do you think he incorporates any of this into a show now?

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Jared Carmichael. Are you crazy?

[Ish]

I think he probably. That's. That's why he made the announcement at the show. They probably already got the stage show and all that worked out to incorporate.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T touch the glass. Jared Gerard, please. You can't get none of this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was. He played him so bad that day on that man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, to do that on somebody HBO reality show, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody else's show.

[Joe Budden]

Still one of my greatest Tyler moments is him on. On Flex.

[Parks]

That's the best one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's the best thing ever.

[Parks]

That's the best one.

[Joe Budden]

Him on Flex with the gay bars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flex looks so befuddled. She was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Who like, whoa. Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But sex.

[Joe Budden]

Flex did all that looking confused and then lay it on the table for the acupuncture and posted the pictures. Laying on his stomach with some standing behind him. Sure.

[Ish]

It's different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, what's wrong with that?

[Joe Budden]

Nothing. But say nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do, actually. That's your bag on Thursday. I'm getting one tomorrow. Thursday.

[Ish]

You're not getting lipo? No, he got. Joe said it wrong. He got lipo.

[Parks]

It's okay if you.

[Joe Budden]

You. You do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I will, I will. I just don't need it right now.

[Joe Budden]

Are you done with the fillers? You finish some?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not yet. I got a little more.

[Ish]

Yeah, you got little lines in your forehead.

[Joe Budden]

They got to touch you up. That forehead is not budget ain't sturdy. That is standing there. Hey, yo, and some of y' all out there that I love. Y' all faces don't move no more at all. And I think that y' all just think that niggas is stupid. So we don't see.

[Ish]

We see. We just don't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

So now our beef. We got somehow past the lip injections. Your face.

[Ish]

I didn't get past the lip injections.

[Joe Budden]

No, what I'm saying is there's more beefs. I never thought there could be. Y' all face don't budge no more. And we saying funny stuff. Y' all laughing like. Yeah, your lip don't move. Whatever. Y', all. That doctor, that Botox and them fillers and them bundle packages slowed it the down. You 23 too much. You're not even old enough for this.

[Queen's Flip]

You didn't even grow into your features yet, girl.

[Ish]

Yeah, seriously.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Anyway, any who's anything else in music?

[Parks]

I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Queen's Flip]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I want.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting mad text. Thank you for the inspiration. Yo, keep going. Yo, you can. This is like a. This is dope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I just hold something, please? I'm reading other texts.

[Joe Budden]

Thanks for the inspiration.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I see that. I'm seeing it. Let me hold something, please.

[Joe Budden]

My man, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Call me back, cuz. Call me.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, cuz.

[Ish]

Call me back, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, cuz, call me back.

[Ish]

Back. That family reunion gonna hit this year.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't gonna be there. I'm gonna be there. Yes, I Am gonna be.

[Queen's Flip]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna miss that for the world.

[Ish]

Shorty in there.

[Joe Budden]

Who is Jordy? My baby. I love you, baby. And I believe in marriage.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

No.

[Queen's Flip]

Family reunion. It's a family reunion.

[Ish]

Only 40 short from the down payment on the condo.

[Joe Budden]

Is when you gonna give or.

[Ish]

I got one coming up, actually. Are you going though? I paid to go. But are you going though? Both of my sides paws are black. I know what you're talking about. But are you going? I'mma try.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where's it at?

[Ish]

It's not going.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'mma try.

[Joe Budden]

It's like commit not paid. That going to do it?

[Ish]

No, the paid is the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, because I paid out. You could be like, I paid. I tried.

[Ish]

Yeah, you ain't losing no money on me.

[Joe Budden]

I get the out of here. Aunt Katherine still trying to make me buy some pigs. They like they ain't even Captain Manley. What are y' all trying to make me buy some pigs? Talking about Joey coming. He can pay for the pigs and the beverages.

[Ish]

Oh, for sure. You gotta get the pig. It ain't no down south family reunion without no pig on the. On the.

[Joe Budden]

The whole pig.

[Ish]

They gonna go roast a hog in a heartbeat.

[Joe Budden]

The hog with the apple on his face.

[Ish]

Peel that skin right off, boy.

[Joe Budden]

That's just good eating right there.

[Queen's Flip]

Your phone going off.

[Ish]

This nosy as hell.

[Joe Budden]

Y.

[Ish]

This be sitting up high. This is def. He the worst person to be sitting. That is the feds, bro.

[Queen's Flip]

I just. I stay quiet. I respect y.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Queen's Flip]

You can just on you all that you say to that nigga. I don't got it. Nah, you got it themselves. You be saying. I didn't even know they had limits. This unlimited. We doing a face.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

This is.

[Queen's Flip]

That's why I wanted to dead you on that 500. I'm not giving you that. Who actually no bread back.

[Ish]

This is a fool, bro.

[Unknown]

He keep saying he dead on.

[Queen's Flip]

No, I made it.

[Ish]

Oh, you paid it.

[Queen's Flip]

I paid. I had to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Dead on that though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He get money. You go to your f. Reunion. You like the star.

[Ish]

He don't go.

[Joe Budden]

This is a star everywhere he don't go.

[Queen's Flip]

I mean, he may be unless Breezy pull up. I can't wait. Breezy like yo cousin.

[Joe Budden]

That's. You wasn't supposed to start eating sugar again before your family. You should supposed to pop up on with your new non sugar body.

[Queen's Flip]

That ass you dropped bad. We thought you was on the. I thought you.

[Ish]

I still think you was. I'm about to go back I was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ready on the pipe.

[Ish]

Let me see the side of your said. That's good.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. Y.

[Ish]

This said the pipe. Hunter Biden said it's good.

[Parks]

That Hunter Biden interview is fire, by the way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm so mad.

[Ish]

He did not compliment the pipe.

[Parks]

Oh, he talked about how fire it was. Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

He's an addict.

[Joe Budden]

He said.

[Ish]

He said that when you, when you cook it, you love burning off all the impurities. So he was breaking it down.

[Parks]

I don't like that. That's the only part that gets highlighted.

[Ish]

I don't. That's all I needed to see you. I don't care about.

[Joe Budden]

It's really.

[Parks]

It's a really good interview.

[Ish]

No, this ain't no rumor.

[Joe Budden]

It's an interview.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a clip.

[Parks]

It's an interview.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like a three hour interview.

[Ish]

Yo. Yeah. I can't believe that.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

That you're the son of a former president talking about how to listen.

[Parks]

I sat there and thought, I wish that he would have been running for some office because he was keeping.

[Joe Budden]

Keeping it mad real in that interview.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He might win. I haven't seen Neil Parks and put me on. I'm gonna watch it tonight.

[Parks]

You might need some more people in recovery, in office.

[Joe Budden]

Some truths up there.

[Parks]

That too.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta watch that.

[Parks]

You be like, oh, I gotta with dude.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, yo, the funny right now is to see the people that, that voted for Trump, how they cry, yo, they.

[Ish]

Be talking so soft. They be talking so soft.

[Queen's Flip]

Yo, they so humble. The ones that sold, they sold and voted for him. The ones that their families is getting grabbed up and they moms and shit.

[Ish]

One dude, one dude just cut Canada wouldn't let him come back. I mean, he wouldn't come back in the country. He went to Canada.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

He was in the United States since he was three and he was, you know, he go back and forth to Canada. So he had a weed charge and another charge that got dismissed. They wouldn't let him back in America.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On a weed charge.

[Ish]

They was like, yo. And it got dismissed, yo. They was like, sorry.

[Joe Budden]

He was like, you know what made me mad about these Trump, you know.

[Ish]

He was talking like this. You know, I, I used to be with him, but yeah, it's a little too much.

[Joe Budden]

What made me mad about the Trump niggas. And I'm with y', all, they look dumb now. Trying to backpedal and backtrack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But listening to them do that, what makes me angry. Angry is in the event that they were right. Trump comes in and gives the country together. Right. I don't know what percentage. Why I don't know percentage wise how likely they thought that was, but they clearly thought it was.

[Ish]

They bought into the idea.

[Joe Budden]

They clearly thought it was like cool that to the side. If they are wrong, then this grape is evil. Bigot of a man had practice already. Now, see, the first term dog, I'm just in here learning my way around. I'm just right. Hey. And by the end of that term, them should have knew that he gained some. He gained some traction because he was talking about voter suppression rushing and had rushing the polls like. Yeah. So that tell you that he gained some power like Thanos in the first time and was just looking around at. So now you give this idiot experience. So that means from day pre. Day one.

[Ish]

I'm on the first day, he sound like.

[Joe Budden]

Before he got in, before he got in, he put that pin to work. So it's like, dog, y' all asked for this. Y' all asked for like the worst, worst possible version of a monster. You know what he did? An experienced monster who know his way around your crib now with a team of monsters.

[Ish]

Because he is. Yeah, because he is charismatic and all that shit. What he did was he convinced them that his successor after the last term it up and made it worse. That's where they bought in at.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he played in identity politics, which he's doing right now with his Washington commander. Shit.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's doing the same thing again. He's my football team. Yeah. That is your team, isn't it?

[Ish]

No, that.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's not a Steelers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you're a Steelers fan. You're a Steelers fan.

[Ish]

I told y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's all over the map. I get confused.

[Ish]

Aaron Rodgers came to Pittsburgh. I'm going to Washington, but go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should just come to Philly. You already Sixes fan.

[Joe Budden]

Go anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But no, I mean, Donald. Donald Trump made a statement, one of his speeches, right? You know, saying that he's basically ordering Josh Harris, who's the owner of the Sixers now, the owner of the Redskins or the Commanders, to change the name of the team. He's like, get it done. Change the name back to the Redskins. Which is particularly interesting because there's always a tweet for everything. If you look at Donald Trump, maybe five years ago, he had a tweet when they were about to change his name from the Redskins saying presidents should mind their own business and not get involved in the renaming of the Washington football team.

[Ish]

That's before y' All.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's before he gained his power.

[Queen's Flip]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Y' all president.

[Joe Budden]

That's before he got experience. The rule.

[Ish]

Have we not? None of the rules apply to me, bro. And half the shit he said, if you look hard enough on Twitter or some social media platform. He has contradicted himself in the past.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That was everything.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But now. Right. It's just tough to believe that the Colbert shit. Because that, because that report came out. They said that the late night show with Colbert was. Was losing money. Forty and fifty and sixty million dollars. And that. And that was the reason. And it's not because Paramount and Sunscape or whatever, this shit needs approval. But now here we are with him openly Trump threatening to not give approval to Washington for the stadium, for the new stadium. And we know that that's important. We know that's important to them. So it's like he just in there thugging whoever need to get thug into what he wants to do.

[Ish]

And I'm gonna keep it real, real with you. It's like the schoolhouse bully. He done knocked enough people out that they scared of him. The Republicans don't rock with him like that. They scared of him though. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

He's beat up enough people where they are really scared.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And everybody folded.

[Ish]

You got it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody folded. I don't think they're folding Washington thing because that horse is out the bar. You can't go back and rename a kid a team in the race. He probably could have stopped it from happening. You can't. You could. I think that was. That one's a little too high of a mountain. And I don't think he expects it. I think he just likes to always register that he was on the right side of the issue for those people who vote on that shit. Cuz I think Trump's long term vision is either to never leave the presidency.

[Ish]

I think that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or more like. Or. But if he does leave, and he will leave because they're gonna make him to be in control of whoever's next by still controlling that base. That's the thing. And so whoever that next person is, Trump is still the leader. It's like when Putin left office for a little bit in Russia but was still in charge. It's gonna be like that. He's gonna be the voice behind the curtain. And that's how you do it. By playing at people's identity politics. People fuck the fact that I'm broke and poor.

[Queen's Flip]

He's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're getting the Redskins back, you know. Or he's putting the Mexicans in their place or whoever it is, and the same thing happens.

[Parks]

It's just diversion. Yeah, Hunter talks about that. He's talking about the cycle of reconstruction happening kind of all over again, but in a different way now. He's on some deep shit in that energy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope people don't get distracted by the crack part.

[Parks]

No, they are.

[Joe Budden]

Are.

[Parks]

They already are. It's the first thing I just brought up. But it's good in there, bro.

[Ish]

You sit there, yo, you got to get the good lighter, the bs, the high flame.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But when you're talking, when you cook it, when you talk to former crack addicts, they even the ones that are really off and cleaned up, when you talk, start talking about crack, they eyes light up, man. Bruh, have you done it? No, it's the way you said broth. That's where he was going.

[Ish]

I talked to enough crackheads. Heroin.

[Joe Budden]

No, he got headphones. You said that before.

[Queen's Flip]

You got face off from a. He said you got face off from the fire one. I know which one you.

[Joe Budden]

I know which one.

[Queen's Flip]

They had no teeth.

[Joe Budden]

Ooh.

[Queen's Flip]

Without the dentures. Too gummy. Now, listen, a lot of got. You know that was slinging that outside.

[Ish]

That's what you was doing.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, no, we're talking about a lot of that was getting money. Took some head from a crackhead before.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of real had that fire. Crackhead slash cokehead on the roster for the late night Thursday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all are terrible people.

[Joe Budden]

That's what a late night Thursday head before the real joints come for the weekend. That's. Hey, that's when she was over there just chilling, playing, like, checkers or something, and you felt like getting some head. Like, you know what? Hell, yeah, you. You did well. All right, King. You all right? Suck my dick, King.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You terrible.

[Joe Budden]

That's when you was doing a little kickback in the living room and did the creep off upstairs with the crackhead. Yo, come here, you from the stairs. Come.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You had a kickback at the crib.

[Joe Budden]

Crackhead. Cokehead. Yeah, crackhead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's different.

[Joe Budden]

Very.

[Parks]

That clear.

[Joe Budden]

They both had to kick back.

[Ish]

The cracky is be in the crib.

[Queen's Flip]

They both the cracking out of the crib.

[Joe Budden]

The crack.

[Queen's Flip]

The crack house.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please. You outside.

[Parks]

He was talking about how all the celebrities and that was bragging about doing coke back in the 80s.

[Joe Budden]

Like, they were doing crack, you know? Yeah. My days, I was a crackhead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some were freebasing, though, and they were.

[Parks]

Freebasing is crack.

[Ish]

It is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a high quality, though. I'm just saying crack.

[Joe Budden]

Now this levels to crackheads.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Freebas.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what Whitney Houston. Houston from Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Whole point was she said I don't ruin Bobby. Ruin poor Bobby. What a town. Ruined one of our best black talents with that hoot name.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Whitney's whole point was I don't do crack.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody's know where Clive is still.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact. At no point. Yo. How much gotta happen before America says, hey, where is Clive? David Davids.

[Parks]

He popped up. I was watching the Billy Joel doc on hbo. Which is Fire.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, Fire. I watched it too.

[Parks]

Hey, he popped up in there.

[Queen's Flip]

Billy Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Billy Joe's a wild boy.

[Queen's Flip]

His best friend's wife married her. Married her and was making songs about.

[Parks]

Her and then she was turned into a super exact like she was managing with all that.

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Budden]

I have to see it.

[Parks]

You should watch. It's fire.

[Queen's Flip]

It's amazing, dog.

[Joe Budden]

I have to see it.

[Queen's Flip]

Amazing.

[Joe Budden]

I've been wasting my time with these missing girl docs like Where's Jody? Such and such or yeah, how do I keep falling? I click on that. Where is Jody? Such and such. It's three episodes, an hour, hour and a half.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They gotta find them.

[Joe Budden]

They never found the shit out of Jody.

[Queen's Flip]

I hate that. That's what I hate.

[Parks]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Don't ask me where she is and you don't know.

[Queen's Flip]

I go to YouTube to watch the cold cases. Like 30 years.

[Joe Budden]

I hate cold cases cases. I only watch Dateline.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm talking when they solve it. I watched the song on YouTube. They got the software. They got. They locked up a 94 year old too. 95 year old black man from I think in London.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm saying he killed somebody back in the 60s. And then when they were talking to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was just like that.

[Queen's Flip]

No comment. No, it was just fire how he got away. Not how they got away, but he.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just came and grabbed him one day and locked him up for the crime.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

They have some new. They have some new DNA with.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They could 95. I'm killing myself. I'm not doing a stretch.

[Joe Budden]

Don't kill yourself. We don't have to say that. Mad people listening. First of all, he's like a trigger warning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to trigger any of the audience who's holding a 30 year cold case. Do what you want.

[Queen's Flip]

He did the crime in the 60s.

[Joe Budden]

You know, it's somebody out there that committed a crime that it didn't get caught for, you know.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who's been holding for 30 years. In the 90s. Now I'm only saying you think that's unlikely? No, I'm saying if you're in your 90s, I don't think that's a bad solution, man. Do you know how many we can cut this out. I don't want to sound like I'm a crazy person, but I just. I feel like in your 90s, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Not doing a bid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In my 90s, I'll do whatever I go out in. Blaze of glory then.

[Joe Budden]

But why I want a perp walk at 90. With your walker, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, perf roll.

[Joe Budden]

I want a perp walk.

[Parks]

Probably put you somewhere decent at that age.

[Joe Budden]

That would be one of the hardest pictures in the universe. Me as a 9.95year old perp walk arrested, spitting at the camera. I gotta make a political smize.

[Queen's Flip]

What's the political science? You killed somebody.

[Joe Budden]

You mean our smiles?

[Ish]

You gonna kill me? Yes.

[Queen's Flip]

Squint.

[Joe Budden]

Look, look, look. His eyes right now.

[Ish]

This nigga's so stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all do both. Squint.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You, you. You still don't think you squint?

[Joe Budden]

No, he don't, Mark.

[Ish]

Yo, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, every picture you take, you squint, okay?

[Joe Budden]

The purposely though. It don't look subtle.

[Queen's Flip]

Let me see.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, he's squitting currently.

[Queen's Flip]

You lost squint.

[Ish]

You squint right now, idiot.

[Queen's Flip]

Bro, you squintish.

[Joe Budden]

You only squint where the botox went. My eyes Open the rest of your face. Male head movement.

[Queen's Flip]

He don't got no wrinkles.

[Ish]

Just stay low. I got Botox.

[Queen's Flip]

He got no wrinkles or bags.

[Joe Budden]

He got a little botox. No more. It's okay.

[Queen's Flip]

Let me see.

[Ish]

Ish.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, your clean.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause your forehead look 41 and you're not 41.

[Queen's Flip]

You see what's wrong with niggas?

[Joe Budden]

You're not 41.

[Queen's Flip]

My G. People, I just want to let you know when. When people get exposed, they try to identify everything else and everybody else. So now he's gonna point out how Mark had his forehead is not wrinkled. He gonna point out it's botox. Chill out, my n. We own you, boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop trying to.

[Queen's Flip]

Let's switch it.

[Ish]

You have some Joe talks.

[Joe Budden]

I make jokes. I think, I think, I think everybody up here looks great. Any joke I make is being performed. Trying to get the money up for next month.

[Queen's Flip]

No, I'm trying to say you trying to identify the money that is spending to look good like is and his Botox. Like Mark and his.

[Joe Budden]

Oh no. None of y' all are investing. That's A joke. None of y' all are taking the money and pouring it back into yourself. Now, one of y' all are doing that.

[Ish]

I think he is. Joel Lane. Yo, get your ass out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Joel Wayne.

[Ish]

Jack Lane. Got you this here, boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How is the workout going, though?

[Joe Budden]

So far, so good. Great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you, like, stepping it up in terms of.

[Joe Budden]

I'm doing. I'm doing whatever the trainer says to do. That's as simple as it is for me. Okay. Whatever he is doing, I'm doing. I'm not asking questions. I'm just so.

[Ish]

Whatever weight he put on all that, you don't ask nothing.

[Joe Budden]

You just do.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's smart.

[Queen's Flip]

That's fine.

[Joe Budden]

If it's too heavy, he lying. Oh, well. Because the train is a liar. The train is a liar. You're supposed to tell you something.

[Ish]

He tell you something light under there, but it's more. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're gonna do three sets of 20, and you get the last one. I need 30 or 40 on this one.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Like, wait, what? My arms is dead. My legs is done. He wanted them, but. But he's great. He's great. I recommend anybody that's on the fence about it, I. E. My girl, get that trainer and get in. Get that train and get in there. My baby will not. This guy is an idiot. What?

[Queen's Flip]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

That sound bad, but she that ass. No, my baby losing weight. She killing that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, speaking of which. Not. Not that part, but.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All. Y anniversary.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no. Hey, buddy, watch the tone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of your lady, y' all had an anniversary. I was ask how. How it went. Six years.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I told y' all that. I told you that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Last time we saw you was headed out night on the town. We ain't seen you since.

[Joe Budden]

It went. It. It went.

[Parks]

Is that really the gold tomahawk in the saw?

[Ish]

The briefcase Tomahawk?

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't gold. Why the time I. That was when we went to dinner. But that's from that restaurant. I told you. Does a good job out there in North Brunswick.

[Ish]

South Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Central Jersey, yeah. We went out there, had a great anniversary dinner at Libebe's. They treated us like family. They didn't charge me at all. Oh, well, they've never charged me. Once I stepped foot in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is the fucking problem with rich people.

[Joe Budden]

Once I stepped foot in there, they.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don'T get free shit. Right?

[Joe Budden]

And Tony, shout out to Tony, the manager and owner over there, he's like, yo, if you come over here with 20 and 30 people. People. Then I'll charge you. But for now, you just come with your ladies.

[Parks]

Well, it's only like, what, 1, 2, 3.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, but 10 here.

[Ish]

No, he said that's the problem with rich people. Put their own paper. I'm like, shut up. I don't pay for you.

[Joe Budden]

You one of them, too.

[Ish]

Ice don't pay for no oxtail. Oh, you.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, you got the Jamaican restaurant connect, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, we had a really good anniversary. Y' all know we taking our family trip to Turks, Turks and Caicos.

[Parks]

Yeah, both of them, right?

[Queen's Flip]

You leave Friday.

[Joe Budden]

I leave soon. I won't be here for the next broadcast.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm aware of that, but what day you leave?

[Joe Budden]

And Mel won't be here either, so. Oh, she was who I was really relying on to keep y' all together, keep it funny and entertain. Yeah, Mel's not gonna be here, so one of y' all have to try to be funny. E, can you come early on Friday? Yo, all right. My bad.

[Parks]

Did forget his name in the article, so I would.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that was disrespectful.

[Joe Budden]

Remind him. Remind him.

[Ish]

Just rat. Just in case he ain't read it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just rat. Go ahead.

[Parks]

Oh, no, he read it.

[Joe Budden]

He read it.

[Ish]

No, he saw it. He read the. Out that article.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Our other group chat.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, y' all wake up early. I ain't know so many people were subscribed to the Times. You know, you had to be subscribed at first if you woke up early enough.

[Ish]

I just played a crosswords, that's all. I play the crosswords every day, but I get the article for free.

[Joe Budden]

It's cool.

[Queen's Flip]

You read it, too?

[Ish]

Not yet.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they got us, y'. All, so I'm sorry they didn't get us.

[Ish]

You getting us. That's what they say. They got us.

[Joe Budden]

All right, hold on.

[Queen's Flip]

Y' all too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Queen's Flip]

This how the cool be starting now. What type of time we on? Let me see what type of side I'm standing on. I can't allow that. Y' all might do that to me.

[Joe Budden]

You hear what he just said to me?

[Queen's Flip]

He don't got.

[Joe Budden]

Do you hear what he just said?

[Queen's Flip]

But, like, hi. Wait real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Us is what they say.

[Queen's Flip]

Real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Stop talking to Mandy. Every time some drop man. Hey, that comes up, will call Mandy a God damn. Damn. What happen, Flip?

[Queen's Flip]

Nothing. You just. Just watching you. Man, you crazy. You had to know that going to say something. You had. You don't care.

[Ish]

He prepped it last week.

[Queen's Flip]

He tried to.

[Joe Budden]

I pay taxes. What you want?

[Queen's Flip]

I Don't give a about that tax and what that mean?

[Ish]

Hold up. What? What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He just saying words to distract salad.

[Queen's Flip]

What you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I'm not hiding from nobody. It is. It is. Word what it is. Like the killer at the strip club. See me, the tax people came got what they get to get. Everybody here taken care of, laced. So, I mean, this ain't got. You got laces, audience. What the am I hiding? What am I hiding for anymore? Anybody in lock?

[Ish]

You talk about lace.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody here. Hey, ain't seen nothing when it went from six months to the year two years like, yo, I need you till 2028.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

2028.

[Queen's Flip]

Stupid thinking about the leaders.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they playing. Oh, they didn't talk to each other all the way.

[Queen's Flip]

All right, who head to 2028? Who.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mad they got you on a death row deal.

[Joe Budden]

Why is mad they locked in Ja rule calling me.

[Queen's Flip]

Let me see what the hell.

[Joe Budden]

What the hell is going. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell the.

[Unknown]

I love the W this.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you butt. You butt down me. Yo, you butt down me. Oh, yeah, butt down, yo. Anyways, man, speaking of money, Queen's fixed. Wow. Park Lamont Hill. Oh, park.

[Queen's Flip]

He park.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No more.

[Joe Budden]

This joke ain't funny no more. Our good brother Parks parking him on here. Park Lamar Hell. Park Demon. Anyway.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For the parking Ian show.

[Joe Budden]

Parking Ian.

[Queen's Flip]

Well.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Queen's Flip]

Listen, we.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, y' all. Don't let this be different than our normal broadcast. Yo, what's our next topic, you guys?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This shouldn't be no different than what we normally do, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All. Okay. On the wnba. Players are demanding more money from their cheap bosses.

[Ish]

Yo, you gave. Hey, yo, you gave. Yo, you gave the WNBA one of our T shirts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly right?

[Ish]

No, this is trash. Look how just lines up, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It really do.

[Joe Budden]

Sheesh. The WNBA All Star Game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. Let's start there. The actual game. Did y' all watch the game?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a good. It was a burn. Burn for like two minutes.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, yo, did you say a barn burner?

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all don't say that.

[Ish]

I said no, yo. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a good game. Caitlin's team played, though. The Caitlyn squad was played. It was a good game. It wasn't particularly close, but there was a lot of action because of the four pointer. And I thought it was a fun game. I thought it was.

[Ish]

No, listen, I have been watching the wnba.

[Joe Budden]

NBA?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, I played prize picks, and so because of prospects, I've been learning about the players. I'm watching the Is women's basketball is coming a long, long way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's some great basketball being played outside of Caitlyn.

[Joe Budden]

You do that more, I'll get you right.

[Ish]

What? Yo.

[Queen's Flip]

You watch more basketball, pay attention. We got you.

[Ish]

That like that prospects in there.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you do that once a week. Get you right. Anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but the game was great. But the thing that got the most attention wasn't the game itself. It was the T shirts that some of the players were wearing.

[Ish]

It was the comments made about the T shirts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, right. It starts with all of it together, right? The team, they were wearing shirts that spoke to their desire to make more money, right? And to get the owners to pay them more money as they enter this deal. And then the world responded. Some people stood in solidarity. Other people were like, what the fuck are y' all talking about? And that became a big debate. And there was also a little backdoor debate, if you saw the press conference with Kelsey and others about who participated in those talks, because they were about talking talks about making more money and organizing strategies around making more money. Most of the people were on board. Some people on Caitlin's team weren't. And that became a whole other side conversation. But I don't want to make it about Caitlin. I'm just gonna say the WNBA women are asking for more money. They're demanding more money.

[Ish]

What does the top athlete in the WNBA make a year like, roughly?

[Joe Budden]

WNBA less than us has gotten so.

[Unknown]

Out of hand that we're now seeing the league compared to One, a global sports league that generates over a billion dollars dollars a year in TV contracts around the world and has individual sponsors like LVMH that pay $100 million or more. Now, this is obviously a ridiculous comparison for all the reasons I just mentioned and plenty others, but I think it might be helpful to understand what's so challenging about the WNBA negotiation. So, for starters, you'll commonly hear that WNBA players don't want to get paid the same as NBA players. They just want to split the same share.

[Joe Budden]

It's a little lengthy, but it's worth it.

[Unknown]

NBA players get around 50% of the the annual revenue of the league. They split it with owners 50, 50. While WNBA players only see about 10% of the revenue that the league creates. That sounds like a mismatch, and they should probably increase that. Now, here's the problem with that. The WNBA has never made a profit. That by itself is not a huge problem. Sports teams lose money on an annual basis all the time, and the league will eventually be profitable when its next media likes. The problem is with their cap table.

[Joe Budden]

Now since the definition, this is the important part.

[Unknown]

Every year for the the last 25 to 30 years, the NBA has funded and covered those losses. It has cost the NBA around $10 million annually. This wasn't a bad deal for the NBA. The NBA was able to package up the WNBA's media rights with their own and sell it as a year round package to TV broadcast. Since the WNBA takes place during the NBA offseason, it also sort of gave them a call option on women's sports. If it's successful, it's worth billions of dollars. If not, they write off the $10 million as a tax example loss. No big deal. Now the problem is that at that $10 million a year that financing was not cheap. Additionally, The WNBA raised $75 million from an outside investor group in 2022 that included Nike and other sports owners. As a result of the NBA's cash and that additional investment, the WNBA now only controls about 42% of its revenue stream. The NBA controls 42% as well and that outside investor group controls the rest. What this means is that out of the that $2 billion media rights deal WNBA just signed, the league and its players will see less than half of it. That's why getting to 50% revenue share is going to be so challenging. Now don't get me wrong. WNBA players will see increased salaries. The league is making a lot more money. Attendance has doubled, viewership is up. They just signed this media rights deal and they're adding teams. But some players have been talking about a million dollar more a year salaries. And that's not going to happen anytime soon simply because of the cap table that the WNBA has had had to put in place because of the losses over the last 25 years.

[Joe Budden]

It was a little lengthy, but I thought it was important. That is very important when you have this.

[Ish]

Very important I think very important because it takes some of the emotional stuff out.

[Joe Budden]

These are the top five earners in the WNBA. Jackie Young, 252K, Kelsey Mitchell, 249K, Jel Lloyd, 249K. Kalia Cooper Copper, 248K and I don't want to mispronounce this name. Rin Bawale sounds I may be my apologies. She's 241k.

[Ish]

She's tough.

[Joe Budden]

And those are the top five salaries.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the average salary is 106.

[Ish]

Oh, that's. That's significantly higher than it was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the average is 106.

[Ish]

That's significant.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The minimum is 66, I believe.

[Joe Budden]

Right now I'm on the, I'm on the, I'm on the girl side. And I do think that they will see an increase.

[Ish]

You can't be.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Ish]

When you take the emotions out of it, if you're a business owner and you're running a business and you were in a negative for so, so, so long, it's kind of only right that you recoup what your, what your investment was and then start to share that. I think that once the owners or whomever backed it recoups their money, then I think the splits should be more along what the NBA splits are.

[Joe Budden]

See, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. Could be anybody starting a business should expect to spend money and lose for five to 10 years.

[Ish]

True.

[Joe Budden]

If in that 10th year, and I'm just freestyling here, if in that 10th year, the person that you in business with get it cracking and that's when the momentum come and attraction come and, and the brand deals and licensing and yada yada yada, then I'm not. I don't walk in the owner's office saying, hey, y' all lost all this money. I'm going in the office saying, if you want to continue the upswing that's happening here, you gotta pay me now. I don't care what you lost.

[Ish]

No, but they.

[Joe Budden]

That's on you.

[Ish]

But they have had a significant upswing. Like, I don't think if you go back to look at the UPS workers.

[Joe Budden]

Making more than Caitlin Clark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's making 80, I think.

[Joe Budden]

So we can't sit here and say significant.

[Ish]

I'm talking about from where they were. What I'm saying is there is an ascension for what their salaries are. I think if you look back five years ago, six years ago, there were no $250,000 a year WNBA players.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you, if I'm any one of those girls, I don't want to hear that when I walk into office. You can save your breath telling me about what happened before now, right this second, we getting shit cracking and we got juju on the way. There's no sign of us falling off. There's franchises that were, that were, that were purchased for $10 million that are worth nine figures today.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So, I mean, one good example is.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, there's new teams. Hey, think about all that. There are new teams. You can't tell me too much when I walk in that corner office as a girly today. I'm not talking about Lisa Leslie. You know, I'm talking about today.

[Ish]

I'm talking about even listen. And it sounds like I'm on the same. I'm just on the side of business. And what I'm saying is you can't expect for us to not get our money back.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, we can.

[Ish]

How do you want your business.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait, wait. Answer this, Elise. How do you want your business to continue without us, without our participation?

[Ish]

I think that there's a gradual.

[Joe Budden]

And you would never, as an owner, you would never stop this, right?

[Ish]

Never. I'm saying that there are gradual increases that are going to take place for us and for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Would you make that argument for podcasters?

[Joe Budden]

No, he would not. Not. Yes. No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We should only get graduates.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Ish]

Let me tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Don't lie.

[Queen's Flip]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Listen to this. Ask Ian and them. When I talk to them. You notice I've never came up here and said, yo, y' all making this. So I should make this as a result of what Joe is making. I don't even negotiate like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was my strategy.

[Ish]

I've never done that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I would not.

[Ish]

I'm just saying personal. Cuz in that argument, we can say, yo, do the pot is ascending and so we are worthy of this. I don't make that argument.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm kind of surprised. I'm kind of surprised.

[Ish]

I never do that.

[Queen's Flip]

Your statement to say that when me and you talked.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about you and Ian talking. This was years ago, so I'm not putting this on you. And I tried to run that. Hey, the annual increase is what? The legal annual increase is 3% or 4% or whatever the number was. 5%. You looked at me like. Like you were supposed to look at me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm speaking to. Not saying that you haven't done it.

[Ish]

Not saying it is.

[Joe Budden]

Not saying that you haven't done it.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm saying this.

[Unknown]

If, If.

[Ish]

If you were in. All right, let's. I know what. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about.

[Ish]

I got a little bit of intel. So if you were literally turning a loss, if you were taking a loss, do you think I would come in here and say y' all need an increase?

[Queen's Flip]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm seriously all jokes. I'm kind of surprised you were taking a loss.

[Ish]

You. You think I would come in here and ask you for more money?

[Joe Budden]

Would. I don't know. Should I say yes?

[Queen's Flip]

No. That's ridiculous.

[Ish]

And I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

Because if.

[Queen's Flip]

If you.

[Joe Budden]

If you.

[Queen's Flip]

If you're losing money.

[Ish]

And you know, and then.

[Queen's Flip]

And then you have an opportunity to pick up, and you. And you're losing money, you start to pick up. You expect us to come in here and say, yo, the. That you're starting to gain. Pay us with it.

[Ish]

And Joe's lying. Because half of your negotiation when me and you got together was, yo, you know, we just took on some more expenses and you know what I'm saying, Like, that was your spiel.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no. My position changes depending on which side of the table I'm on.

[Queen's Flip]

Yo, stop playing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Both of y' all do. That's why I'm FAS by this conversation.

[Ish]

No, that's wrong with you. My. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. Sadly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not joking. Terrible.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

Look, one day, he is the label.

[Joe Budden]

One day. And that's the duality. And that's the duality. Life. When I speak to. When I speak to ish or some people, it's crazy. Yes. There are expenses that need to be taken into account when I'm ish.

[Ish]

Them.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a. About that. That you talk about, dog. I got. I gotta be. But then again, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because this does sound nuts. So let me slow down. Let me slow down. Let me slow down. I take it back. I take it back.

[Ish]

I should have.

[Queen's Flip]

Wait, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

Stop talking. Don't say nothing. Don't say nothing too. Don't say nothing right now. Just let me get this point out, because I don't want this to be misconstrued. Got it. To talk like Barry Bonds, you have to produce like Barry Bonds.

[Queen's Flip]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

So when I'm on the other side saying I don't care about what you saying, it's because I've produced like Barry Bonds. So, yeah, I don't care about the normal. What should. How this should go. Go take a walk and find a way to make Barry Bonds happy.

[Ish]

And that was your stance in the Drake argument.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They need to go outside and come back in.

[Joe Budden]

You goddamn right. You goddamn right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't suggest that you try that if you are not Drake, 1000% positive that you are producing at that point. Clip.

[Ish]

Well, it's two things with that. One, you might. You. You will never know if you're producing at that clip.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yes, you would. You. Oh, yes, you would. You'll. You'll never get the confirmation from them.

[Ish]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you'll never get the cup because, you know, you'll know.

[Ish]

But the company can always take the other side of.

[Joe Budden]

You'll know.

[Ish]

They can.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's when you withhold your labor.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

They could take the other side. Now if you bury bonds, that's not a good idea. That's not a good idea for them to do. And somebody on that side should know that.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So like right this second with these girls, these girls, women. These women and girls, these girl ladies, these ladies have the opportunity or this small window to say to billionaire owners, we don't care. They'll never have the opportunity again to say, hey, we don't care about what you spend. That's your problem and your losses. And you just now making money. Cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I jump in?

[Joe Budden]

Even if they don't get their way, they won't be able to even say this again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead. This is the only thing I would say. And I see all sides. I see all the arguments. As a business owner, I see it. As a worker, I see it. I think, I think 1. I think the NBA has a history and a trajectory that we can follow. The NBA didn't make money for decades. The NBA didn't really. I mean, through the 60s, through the.

[Ish]

70S, it was going bankrupt until Magic and Burger came right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But they still kept playing players more. And the argument still was this is a long term investment. I don't disagree with Ish's point that you have to play a long game here. And I don't think anybody disagrees with that. That your share will increase as we make more money and the owner has right to recoup it. But you can't recoup anything or build anything without the players. So the question is not should you recoup it, it's what proportion should you get while we're recouping it? And I think the player. The owners often will understate how much they're making. I mean, I think the New York Liberty is the good example because you can't tell purely by attendance. You can't tell purely by ratings. And owners, they do a lot of, you know, mathematics.

[Ish]

How many Pepsi's being sold, hot dogs being sold, all of that stuff.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All that stuff. But one clear measure is the New York Liberty was purchased for somewhere between 10 and 15 million and it's valued right now at 450 million. I mean, that's a huge fucking jump that tells you these owners ain't just losing money.

[Ish]

I didn't say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm talking to the.

[Ish]

But then when you start talking about league Wide, you'll take the New York Liberty. But then you gotta go look at a team in a smaller market. You get what I'm saying? That's not nowhere near that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But then you also have to look at the. The TV shares which are split this way. Right. And you have to look at what's happening in the summer. And you have to look at the fact that there is a big pool of money. I think you're right. I mean, I don't. I think the misrepresentation or argument has been and becomes a straw man. Again, not you, but other people is that they want to make what the NBA's making. No, they just want a bigger slice of the pie. No, I just said you're not saying it.

[Joe Budden]

And you shouldn't take your product while it's more valuable and higher than it's ever been and try to frame it a different type of way. It sends the wrong message for the 10 year old and 11 year old. You should be trying to incentivize the farm system that's coming behind this wave.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

We're building this. The wave is here now with what these ladies are doing. You want to make this wave last 10, 15 and 20 years. And this sends the wrong messaging to the young Hooper. It does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the truth is pay the people.

[Joe Budden]

That need to get the okay.

[Queen's Flip]

I agree with that.

[Ish]

If Kaylin Clark signed up, four year, $338 million deal. Right. If you go back to five years ago with who?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The Fever, that's $80,000 a year. Yeah, right.

[Ish]

The Fever. If you go back five, six, seven years ago.

[Parks]

I think you said the wrong number.

[Joe Budden]

He said million. Wait, he said million. That's why I said 300,000. I thought that was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard thousand.

[Ish]

Two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry. Yeah, I heard million dollars.

[Ish]

338,000. I'm sorry. Dollar.

[Joe Budden]

Deal. Got it.

[Ish]

If you go back years ago, bro, them girls would have died for that deal. So I'm not saying that, but it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was still a bad.

[Joe Budden]

And that was wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it was a bad deal.

[Ish]

But as the stuff gradually. Yeah, like I think that it should be incremental or can I make one more argument?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause there was a second piece of what I was gonna say. Cause I hear what you're saying. The other thing is as an investment, it's a bad strategy. The reason, and I know it's an extreme example. Example. I concede that. But the reason Britney Griner's locked up in Russia is because she had to.

[Ish]

Go to Russia to get more money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? So you're risking the legs, the arms, the body parts of these players who have to play around the world just.

[Ish]

To make ends meet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so to me, as an owner.

[Joe Budden]

Was locked up in Russia because she had a vape. Penance against the law to have that out there.

[Ish]

But he's saying she would have never had basketball. She would have never had to go to.

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't require the vape.

[Queen's Flip]

Let me put it differently.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me use it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

WNBA players have to play in other leagues around the world during the off season in order to pay their bills. I'm saying that that puts your investment at a danger. If I, if I, if I have, if I draft, what's my man Cooper flag? If I draft Wimby, I don't want Wemby playing in Latvia, you know, I.

[Ish]

Don'T want to play in the summer league.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even want to play in the summer league. But, but, but if he has to, because I won't pay him. To me, it's worth it just to protect your investment and to protect, protect the league and to make sure that Europe that you close the market and cornered the market on this talent. So for me, it's all those things too. It's just as from investment.

[Ish]

I'm in agreement with all that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I'm saying pay them a little bit more. So for me, the max salary in the WNBA right now is 250. Maybe it should be 500. I'm not saying it should be a million because I don't, I don't know the numbers well enough.

[Joe Budden]

WNBA was founded on April 24, 1996. Lisa Leslie, a prominent player, earned the maximum salary in the w, which was 91,000. And that's in 2000, 2006. So no, these numbers ain't so in.

[Ish]

20 years, it's double plus one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but that's not great.

[Ish]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not, bro. Again, I'm not against. They should be making more money.

[Joe Budden]

You just explaining it from the owner side.

[Ish]

I'm just saying that giving an objective perspective like, yo, dog, she. We was paying her a hundred when we was taking losses. We was taking losses, paying everybody money and not making no money.

[Joe Budden]

Money. Yo, you know what? The NBA, I mean, the NBA, the WNBA and the people that run it could say what they say in this meeting. They know the effects when Kate, they see the effects when Caitlin. When just Caitlyn Clark is in.

[Ish]

No, but Joe. And that's a big thing. A lot of these jumps have only really transpired over the last two years with the emergence of Kaylin Clark and, and, and, and Angel Reese.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so this is my point.

[Ish]

They getting 3 million dollar sneaker deals.

[Joe Budden]

Advance this conversation. This should be the point to Kelsey Plum and the rest of them that are on this girl.

[Ish]

On Caitlyn, we see what the power.

[Joe Budden]

Of 1 and 2 is. So what could it look like? If 3, 4, 5, 10, 20 of us decide to take this stance, they not going to have a choice but to pay these girls.

[Ish]

I don't like, I don't like the fact that they came for Shorty and was like, yo, well, we ain't going.

[Joe Budden]

To say that was corny of Kelsey.

[Ish]

I think that was horrible because guess what, she's the biggest star in this league and she got the T shirt on, which is getting the entire movement more notoriety.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't give a fuck if she wasn't in the morning meeting to decide if we was wearing it. Hey, when y' all decided to wear it, she had one, right? Yup. And I'm glad that Sabrina toa. Yo, that's not even relevant to what we talking about right now.

[Ish]

It's not relevant. It makes zero sense. Yo, when LeBron James and them stood up and said, yo, we need this, this, this and this done, Nobody said, well, LeBron, was you at the mate, was you at the meeting? No, I'm the biggest star in the sport. I now come forward and take the public stance that this is what we want done. That matters more than if I was in the back door meeting at 6.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And just to be fair though, they say Caitlyn Clark's team wasn't there. Not that Caitlyn wasn't there.

[Ish]

People like from her squad or from her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, is that, did they mean from her, her representation?

[Ish]

That's what I took it as. Like her, her team, like maybe her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I didn't take it that way. And this is important, important piece because the WNBA All Star game is divided into two teams and one was Caitlin Clark's team. And so I thought they were saying.

[Ish]

That her, her entire team wasn't there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Meaning that that's not really a diss against her. It was saying she was just talking, that she was still saying too much. But I don't think it was personal to Caitlyn. I thought she was more saying like the other team.

[Ish]

It's not relevant to be said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's up anyway. But I just want to say I don't know if it was an attack on Caitlyn I think it was more just too much snitching going on about the whole collective bargain the biggest star.

[Ish]

In the sport is supporting. I don't give a fuck what nobody say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what I'm saying. The last couple weeks, when we've been having these talks about unionizing up here, you know, we've been here, and anyone who wasn't at the meeting is okay. We don't talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Ish]

Actually, when me and you had the lamb chops, wasn't there. Ice wasn't there? We was just piling.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, yo, real quick. What I wanted to say is that I was kind of surprised that Joe's stance, from a business perspective.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, stop being professional. The nigga go on. Let's kick his back in.

[Queen's Flip]

No, no, no, no. But what I'm saying is that. Cause I go through that as well in my business where niggas feel like, yo, you gotta pay me this. And I'm saying things are just starting to pick up. Why would I pay you this when I can go out there and do it myself? And if you feel you're worth this money, go out there and get it yourself.

[Ish]

Because their point to you would be, we the reason why things are picking up.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, but then I can.

[Joe Budden]

But then.

[Queen's Flip]

But then that's why I'm kind of surprised that he said, I can show you that you're not the reason, number one. Number two, me involving you in this is a luxury.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but that's different, flip.

[Queen's Flip]

No, but hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But listen, who's the biggest star in your network? You flip.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, back, Woody, you flip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's. You flip.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, but we talking about somebody where I can go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Hear what I'm saying? In the wnba, they can't do the WNBA without them.

[Queen's Flip]

Let's stop bringing the wnba. I'm talking about Joe's comments of standing on the side of a. Because people use that against me. Listen, people use that. Yo, I heard Joe say this. Yo, nigga, if you know what you worth and you worth, don't bend in no fold. So somebody, if I'm booking somebody, they will hold up content to say, I'm worth this. And then now when we look at the numbers, you can't even make that shit on your own. So you just doing that. You're being selfish. You're playing to my feelings and my emotion. And you're using my man, who I respect as a talking point. So it's kind of reckless to say that. Cause it's not true. For the years when niggas is for years, if I've been paying you more than. More than enough or more than you're worth to me, and then I've been losing. Now that I'm gaining because I got some traction, don't come back for me. And you coming back around.

[Ish]

I got you.

[Queen's Flip]

And I could tell you like, yo, about the numbers when I was paying you this.

[Ish]

You shouldn't have got that.

[Queen's Flip]

You shouldn't have got that. So let's work together, and we can go there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that. And then flip, here's the.

[Ish]

That's a tricky, tricky spot.

[Queen's Flip]

It is tricky.

[Ish]

But you know what the trickiest piece of that was? When you said to you, to me.

[Queen's Flip]

Meaning that I have the analytics so I can show. So when you go to the accountant and they're like, n you paying. Why would you pay all this? Or even before I went to the accountant, when I was talking to Ian and he looked at it like, okay, this doesn't make sense. Why don't you do this and get a bunch of people that wants to do it and don't feel like they could play on your feelings? He been saying that tab a flip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, fuck, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Don't.

[Queen's Flip]

It's not okay.

[Ish]

Joe just sent me bullshitting, though. Nah.

[Queen's Flip]

But he still be doing.

[Ish]

Does it depend on what side of the table?

[Queen's Flip]

One more I got Jordan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We trying to build something.

[Joe Budden]

I said, you need to be very bond.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Queen's Flip]

And that's. And that's where you got me at. Like, so if you could hear that. No, don't listen to that, Mark, you got it, Mark. You know you go. Hold on.

[Ish]

You know you go, yo, you good with the words.

[Queen's Flip]

You good with the words.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Queen's Flip]

Wait, wait, wait. Listen, Let me just say this, please. You know, you go outside right now and make. And make something on your own. You've shown right now when you go outside and sit on a platform, the views you bring, that's value in that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You mean selling dope?

[Queen's Flip]

No. Yeah, that platform we talking about, like, that platform. I know you go outside, you know, the visibility. So, you know you can step outside and add something to it. So I feel like my message to people is that, nigga, if somebody don't want to pay you, nigga, go out there and get on your own and show them.

[Ish]

Go get it.

[Queen's Flip]

Show them that you work. Because I feel like people hold up content. They hold the platform, they hold the business hostage for selfish means and for selfish reasons.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you're right on all these of. Of that. I think you Right on. All of that.

[Queen's Flip]

But you just said Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm just saying Joe.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Got you.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, I got a little serious. We got Cory pointing at me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We got to organize.

[Queen's Flip]

Joe bunked out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This got 20 million.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, but I don't care about that, cuz. I know I'm going to go out there and get it.

[Ish]

Yo, why y' all keep saying that's the lie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how the cap. That's how the capital.

[Queen's Flip]

You go out there and get it. Yo, we sat here behind the scenes and told us how much you made of speaking engagements.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All jokes aside, stop. That's how. No, listen to me. I'm not even being funny no more. All jokes aside, that's how they get you. They be like, oh, you can get your own 20 million. No, no. Almost nobody's gonna get 20 million.

[Ish]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, that's how they hustle you into taking a short. Cause you figure one day when I get my 20 million, I'll be.

[Queen's Flip]

No, but what if you believe in yourself, though, Mark? What if the nigga. What if somebody that told me.

[Joe Budden]

What if. Seeing you.

[Queen's Flip]

What if. Seeing it now? Fuck me. What if CNN told you, nigga, once we let you go, you can't go up there and get what you made up here or get more. It can't tell you that. You step out and talk from the land to the railroad, all that, and you get a lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

Money.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you believe in yourself. You sit there and have the African people dance on your stream and you cake it up. I don't know if you paid them.

[Ish]

Yo, that's a. That's it. All I'm saying is it's a hard conversation. I think it's a bad conversation. I think that.

[Queen's Flip]

Tell me why it's bad.

[Ish]

I think that's how they divide and conquer us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But before you.

[Ish]

I think that's how they do.

[Queen's Flip]

Can you explain it? I don't want to be on that side.

[Joe Budden]

I just need to know if this is true, because I might have heard it wrong. If. If one of y' all start making 20 million, y' all gonna leave the jar.

[Ish]

Never.

[Queen's Flip]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God.

[Queen's Flip]

Come on, May, leave before he makes it wrong.

[Ish]

Yo, what I'm saying, I think that that's a bad thing because that's how they divide and conquer us. So whether somebody, let's say a label or network comes and says, yo, why are you sitting over there working for the Joe? He making $20 million. Yo, you could be doing your own thing, right?

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And so they'll pull you away from procrastinate.

[Joe Budden]

I mean.

[Queen's Flip]

Oh, but people been saying that to niggas. We don't fall for that.

[Ish]

It'll pull you away from something. Right. Which is one. That the probability. Not saying that it can't happen. It's a possibility that you could go on to make $20 million. Cool. You possibly could. It's not probable, but what I'm saying is it lessens this and lessens you. And sometimes that's how they split us up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

Three years later from now, Flip could be fucking dropping chicken nuggies. And then Joe could have dropped from 20 to 11. You know what I'm saying? And it hurt. Two things.

[Joe Budden]

20 to 11, somebody's getting fired. Yeah.

[Ish]

Flip left.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that could be true.

[Ish]

You see what I'm saying?

[Queen's Flip]

So I don't think you're gonna drop like that. But what I'm saying, you also promote us going out there and getting. You also promote believing in yourself. So it's Dustin.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's just what he say. So he ain't got paid.

[Queen's Flip]

Nah. No, that's not true.

[Ish]

Sound good?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I pay you every time. W.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have no complaint. I'm worri. This for Andy Van Sl and Bobby Ban. Barry's fine as Andy Van and Bobby Van Ry for right now. Tim Wakefield.

[Ish]

Strawberry.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Anyway, just because this was about Caitlyn Clark.

[Queen's Flip]

Yes, it was. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And the girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was about the women of the wnb.

[Queen's Flip]

I apologize.

[Joe Budden]

Which means Katelyn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause a bunch of white people sitting around saying, the boys of the NBA, y' all be mad as shit. But I think that they should be paid. I think we all agree they should be paid more. The question is just how much. And I just think we can't use a traditional job metric to assess it. Right. Because this is a long term investment.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And we just gotta see.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of people getting their money, Fat Joe was SEC World.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Fat Joe was at Sea World.

[Parks]

You missed it.

[Joe Budden]

Performing a medley of his hits. Sure.

[Queen's Flip]

Shout out to Fat Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Fat Joe.

[Joe Budden]

The Internet seemed to have a good time with that.

[Parks]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

So I went.

[Parks]

I don't see what.

[Joe Budden]

I clicked on it. I went and clicked on it once the Internet was having fun. Sometimes I'd be down. I'll be honest. I didn't. I didn't really get the fun this time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got it.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't get the fun this time.

[Queen's Flip]

Not me neither.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't I didn't think it was as horrible of a SeaWorld performance with the audience or people leaving even. Everything was overdone. Like when they said, oh, here's the crowd leaving. There was seven niggas leaving. Like, I did hear a faint.

[Ish]

That's the Internet, though.

[Joe Budden]

I did hear a faint call and reply. Yeah. When he was doing in New York, I heard New York. I didn't think it was as horrible as the Internet made it seem.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause you said the key word. You said SeaWorld perform. What the Internet likes to do is do an out of context. Gotcha. So if it was a Fat Joe show and nobody's jumping up and shouting, it's whack the nigga. He was in C World. They didn't come to see Fat Joe, and he still had that place full, and enough people in there were rocking to it. So I don't think it looks bad either. But if you look at the Internet's passing it around, like, it was like his show and nobody was into it.

[Parks]

So all these Sea World shows are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like the half time show kind of. Yeah.

[Parks]

Oh, then knock it off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. They're here to see a whale. Yeah, they're not. Well, stop, stop, stop. I wasn't even. Yeah, yep.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I've been saying, I feel like SeaWorld has a bag. I feel like some of the people talking have never had to perform in front of people that were not fans of them or just perform.

[Parks]

Or perform, period.

[Joe Budden]

Or perform period.

[Ish]

Y' all giving them way too much credit, bro.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah. Fat Joe going out there at his age and doing all of those hits, I'm not never shaming that unless there's good reason to. Shame.

[Parks]

Do not shame. Fat Joe slaps, man.

[Ish]

He's got mad just like anybody that's. That is not popping right now.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Trying to point out that there has been breaking news.

[Joe Budden]

Breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. Ozzy Osborne is reportedly passed away.

[Parks]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Damn. I was gonna say, hell no. Right?

[Queen's Flip]

No.

[Ish]

I was literally just reading last week. Him and his wife had a pact.

[Joe Budden]

A pact?

[Ish]

Yeah, they had a. That they were gonna go together if one of the. If the dementia ever got too bad with one of them, that they would go together. They had a company in Switzerland that does it. And I was just reading that.

[Joe Budden]

It sound like a pack I would make and renega on.

[Ish]

Change your mind?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, if she go first, I can't leave the kids, man. Well, anyway.

[Parks]

Black Sabbath legend, them early Black Sabbath records are incredible.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some of the best Music of century, maybe.

[Ish]

Joe might not have none of that in this.

[Parks]

Yeah, you got.

[Joe Budden]

We've had every talk in the world before. We talk about Malcolm Jamal Warner passing. So, y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been putting it off, man. I was actually starting to show a little sad after hearing his voice on your intro. It really kind of worked.

[Ish]

That was a great intro, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was wonderful.

[Ish]

And should have let Rudy rock a little bit, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, baby.

[Queen's Flip]

Baby.

[Joe Budden]

The Outro.

[Ish]

Outro, bro. That's our childhood.

[Parks]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ish]

No bullshit. Like, that's our. That's all I thought about. Like, yo, the Monopoly won. The Justine. Justine won, like, all of those things. That shit plays so much a part of our childhood that it almost seems surreal. I'm older than y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

I was still a baby when I was watching that shit.

[Ish]

Yeah, that shit is a little different for us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he was. And I knew him. He was a wonderful dude, you know? But before we even get to the personal part, I mean, what you just said is so important. I mean, this was TV at a moment where most of us had five channels.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where people turned to Thursday night Must see TV at 8 o'.

[Joe Budden]

Clock.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the Cosby show came on. 35 million people were watching the Huxtable Family. And he. And Bill Cosby was America's father. And that made Rudy and Sandra and Vanessa, you know, and Theo, our sisters and brothers. Exactly. And to the older folk, their children. And he was the boy of the family. He was the teenager. He was the one who many of us could relate to. The middle class kids could relate to him. They could see themselves in him. Some of us aspired to be him. Some of the girls and maybe boys had crushes on him. He meant so much to America. He was adored. And I think the beauty of the Cosby show was they didn't make the perfect kid. He was the one when he was like, you know, dad, could you just believe in me? Cause I'm your son? And he's like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. And then he struggled in school, but then eventually they found out that he had dyslexia. So even neurodivergence was explored through him. His mistake, he got the Justine. Justine comes on the episode where he gets caught kissing.

[Ish]

He got caught cheating.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. The other girl who ended up being Vanessa K. Williams. And so it's like he meant so much to us because we could relate to him. Because he wasn't perfect.

[Joe Budden]

Him teaching your little gang member Boy how to read.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep. He worked after school in a program. He attended NYU with the NYU and.

[Ish]

All that other stuff. And carried.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the Cosby show episode when they dance off set ends as they're going to his graduation. Which was a perfect arc from the early part where he's trying to figure out who he is and to the end where he is a success story and we can't forget just one more thing. Gordon Gartrell.

[Joe Budden]

Now what? Talk about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gordon fucking gotta say.

[Joe Budden]

And my boy was trying to get fly. And my boy was trying to get fly for him. Fucking Denise. Stupid ass. Fucking Denise, man. Promised him she could do it.

[Ish]

You know what she did? She flipped it on him and was like, yo, Brock.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dad.

[Joe Budden]

See?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gaslighting, yo. That's the original. Real gaslighting.

[Ish]

Hey, Ice. What? If you don't know, bro, we've done this. Go ahead. Y' all can do y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

But I don't know the Cosby Show. We're not gonna. I didn't know. You didn't know what?

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ish]

Gordon Gartrell. We've done this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you should watch that, man.

[Ish]

I'm not gonna watch it, but y' all go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. No judgment, but I'll just say this. I had the honor of knowing him and I'm trying not to watch that old shit. That show's the greatest show.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna watch the old show?

[Ish]

Not that I haven't seen already. I'm not going back to go watch it again. Like he said, it was his childhood. It's gonna hit different me watching it with my eyes now. I might say, okay, that was cool. It's not gonna affect me the same way.

[Parks]

I don't know if that's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's mature.

[Parks]

I don't know if that's true. I think you would probably enjoy it.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, I think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you would. I think it's worth trying. But, you know, again, to each his art. Just to bring it back to Malcolm. Most child stars, and we've talked about child stars up here a lot, end.

[Ish]

Up being fucked up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, and not because they're bad people, but the industry does a thing to you. It's hard to be famous and loved and adored and the breadwinner for your family at an early age and be normal. But Malcolm, Jamal Warner is not just normal for a child star. He's just normal for any celebrity I've ever met. I mean, he was cool. He wasn't cynical. He wasn't bitter. He was generous. He was kind. You didn't have to be super famous for him to fuck with you. He was just a dope dude with what a great spirit. And even, you know, and he had other roles besides Theo. Obviously. We know him from comedy. We know him from, you know, all kinds up to even suits, you know what I mean? And he had these amazing roles and these amazing people, but he was also an artist. He was a poet, he was a thinker. He was a reader. We used to talk a lot about, like, the elections. And we were going back and forth about this Kamala election. Even afterward, we would check in and he always. There was an optimism and a hopefulness in him, a buoyancy, I like to say, that people don't see, I mean, even in what you talked about, the idea of smiling. And he's often said there's always something to smile about in life. He just had a way of. Yeah, there's just a beauty in him. And my heart goes out to him because we lost one of the great ones. And my heart goes out to his family. He lost or his. You know, obviously he's leaving a wife.

[Joe Budden]

One thing dying on your family vacation.

[Ish]

In front of your family is a.

[Joe Budden]

Totally different ball game. Yeah. It is said that he was just going for a quick swim by himself in the morning, and his wife, after an hour had passed, had alerted the authorities saying something may be wrong. And they found him about 100 to 200ft from him. Yeah. With the. And, and. And listen, man, listen. I can't swim. So, you know, I speak from a whole different perspective. But when you travel, those water is different out there.

[Ish]

It's different. Yeah. I kept seeing people. Oh, black people need to learn how to swim. This ain't a know how to balance. This has nothing to do with swimming.

[Joe Budden]

Of the entire ocean. Going against you with a wave or current that is 5, 6, 700ft high, depending on where you at. That's. That's extra.

[Ish]

No, no, not the waves. It's the current. So you jump in right here that is pulling you down here mad quick. And now you can't get back. You can't swim back up there.

[Joe Budden]

And anytime I've been to Cabo, dead water so aggressive out there. They keep people on the beach 24 hours because people go out there and. And get missing and lose their life and so forth and so on. So they keep people out there to say, hey, no. No matter how attractive this water looks, nuts, do not come over.

[Ish]

Scary, bro. That's scary.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

54.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, if you going to co. Where was that. Costa Rica. We going to Costa Rica. Costa Rica. You tell your wife and your kids, hey, I'll be right back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be back for breakfast.

[Joe Budden]

Give me. Give me 30 minutes.

[Ish]

No, but. And that is different.

[Joe Budden]

God damn. Different as a 54 year old.

[Ish]

And he might have been a good swimmer, right? That's the thing. He might have been a great swimmer, fam. I'm sure he's a good swimmer. Mother Nature is different. No matter out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Mother Nature is different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like only 50 foot.

[Ish]

Get one of them bungalows.

[Joe Budden]

And God is different. It's your time to go. It's your time to go. If you don't go in the ocean, then they'll fucking find another way for you to go when it's time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think the thing we learned yesterday and today and tomorrow and probably for the next upcoming weeks is how adored he was. You know, I mean, I think some people learned that people were. I watched people who aren't in our culture be surprised at how upset and distraught people were. Like, I wasn't surprised. Cause we all grew up loving him. But I don't think the outsiders understood that because people were commenting. Damn. People really cared about. Yeah, motherfucker.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But back to your earlier point. When we lose cultural icon like that, I'm not really looking toward what other people are thinking of doing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. Black people that I know of all ages, everybody. Because if you a child, nigga, your mom is in the kitchen with a little boohoo. Like, oh, shit. Yep. Like, yeah, that was. We all. We all paused, fam. It hit different reading. It hit different.

[Ish]

The show was so great because. And this is a good thing and a bad thing about the child stars, fam. I don't give a fuck what other roles he ever was gonna take.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

That Theo. Yeah, that's Denise, that's Sandra, and that's Rudy. I don't give a what happens, fam. That nigga's Theo. And that's how pivotal and important that show was for us when we were kids.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, he can't escape Theo. You know what I'm saying? And that's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you're gonna be locked into a role, that's the one nobody wants to be tied to.

[Joe Budden]

The ticket came across the ticker like. Like, KO Kobe.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's how I felt.

[Ish]

It was real.

[Joe Budden]

When Kobe came across that chaos we was playing with, like, nah, get the out of the phone. The phone's wilding.

[Ish]

Yo, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the phone's wild.

[Ish]

Kobe jumped off that helicopter with the baby.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Ish]

They'll find that. We was like, yo, they gonna find Kobe down there with a broken leg out there in the desert, yo. That's how we felt.

[Joe Budden]

My heart goes out to his family, his children, his wife. Like, listening to him on Mel's pod, just like, just hearing him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was the last interview. I don't know if you knew that.

[Joe Budden]

I still don't know that that was the last interview.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I know it was one of the last interviews. And he dropped a whole lot of. He dropped some shit on there. I mean, I know we got our. I mean, but he dropped some shit on there just to hear the stories, how his dad named him and how his dad had him fucking reading search literature at a certain age when all the other kids was outside. Like, his story got deep. This morning I was in a rabbit hole with all his poetry like. Like that. It just hurts. It just hurts. And again, any death from 40 to 60, I pay a lot more attention to now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Same.

[Ish]

Like, honestly, when I first heard about kind of, he passed away swimming, right? And so he passed away. It's. It's a tragic thing, but I was thinking more along the lines of some physical ailment at 54, that's. That's a. That's like seeming like the sweet spot that people are going now. You start hearing from heart attacks and strokes and sugar and all of these other things in the. In the early 50s, late 40s, people checking out.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's how I know I'm all fucked up. Because of course, as shocking as the news was, after it passed, for a second, I was so happy that, you know, you read Accidental Drowning and we start thinking of.

[Ish]

I'm saying I reworded it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I started thinking. But I was so happy once the story came out that it really just sound like a freak out, what it sounds like.

[Ish]

See that one Fuck, when the story came out, it fucked me up even more. More, because I'm just thinking about that feeling in that moment when you.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't, you know. Yeah.

[Ish]

I can't fight it. You pull out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? And I'm on vacation with my family. I'm. They there. I'm not gonna make it back. Like, I was reading that and I was like, yo, just imagine. Oh, that's some.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And I've had family friends that have died out of the country. And sometimes dying out of the country makes it tough with the laws to.

[Ish]

Get the body back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All left out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Getting the body back. If you don't have the finances, all of that starts to come into play. Custom paperwork and all of that.

[Joe Budden]

And just having nobody ever expects to go. So, I mean, of course, then you hope that people have their. Their business in those things. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to him, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. Thank you for your service. Thank you for everything. Thank you for the example you set at that young age for a kid as a young age watching on the living room tv. And we'll miss you and we love you. And this is a sad and dark time for not just fans. Cause there was a lot of white fans, too, but especially black people, man. God, I can't even think of too many names that when this happens, it's like a pause for everybody stop. So shout out to Malcolm Jamal Warner, man, again, thank you. Gone too soon. Rest in peace. We love you. I am going to shoe up some outstanding.

[Ish]

While you do that. I just want to clear something up. I did misspeak when we were speaking about Azie, and I said dementia was Parkinson's.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

So I just want to clear that up.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Let's see here again. If you want to see some of that Malcolm Jamal interview that we played earlier. That should be on Melfor's YouTube. Check it out. I'm bothered. One of his final interviews. Again, we miss you. We love you. Prayers. Hey. Thoughts and prayers to the family and friends. Let me put my headphones on real quick, man. Let me up. Out. Hey, there we go. Now, here. Hey. Now I'm sounding beautiful. Ego. Not a minute or day or night.

[Unknown]

That I don't love you. You're at the top of my list.

[Ish]

Cause I.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. I still remember in the days when.

[Unknown]

I was scared to touch you up How I spent my daydreaming Planning how.

[Joe Budden]

To say I love you.

[Unknown]

You must have known that I had feelings deep enough to swim in. That's when you opened up your heart.

[Queen's Flip]

And you told me to come and no.

[Joe Budden]

Denise.

[Unknown]

Is this my shirt?

[Joe Budden]

Is this the shirt I paid $30 for? Is this a shirt? Dancer for the feet of the boarding bartra.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ask me the question again.

[Joe Budden]

Have room for one more dancer? Oh, yeah. No, this is.

[Ish]

Cockroach. You go.

[Unknown]

No, man, I think you should go.

[Ish]

No, Cockroach, go ahead, man.

[Queen's Flip]

You got the tickets.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, guys, come on.

[Ish]

I got to get back inside. Cockroach, go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. See you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That taught Me a lesson.

[Ish]

Good evening, Mrs. Banks. Mr. Banks.

[Joe Budden]

Hey. How wonderful.

[Ish]

See the whole family spending time together.

[Queen's Flip]

I thought that only happened on the Cosby Show.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cut it off. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

What else needs our full attention? Let's see, let's see, let's see.

[Ish]

Brolic, you said you had a question you wanted to ask us.

[Joe Budden]

I do have a question, but I'm only going to ask it if y' all are going to be 100% honest.

[Ish]

With me on these mics.

[Joe Budden]

This question is pointless if y' all are not going to be honest with me.

[Ish]

Bro, all we do is tell the truth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All we do is tell the truth.

[Joe Budden]

Well, in that case, I'm going ask you.

[Ish]

Oh, then you have to ask the question then, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me the amount of times. Times each of you has initiated with a woman. It's 11. 11 zero. Come on. It's all right. Look. Come on, come on, come on. Don't look stupid.

[Queen's Flip]

A couple of times.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, come on, come on. How many times have you been the creator of. Oh, it's 1111.

[Queen's Flip]

Wish.

[Joe Budden]

Close your eyes.

[Queen's Flip]

I did that to my wife.

[Joe Budden]

I've definitely done that.

[Queen's Flip]

Send a screenshot.

[Joe Budden]

I've done it, man.

[Ish]

We just happen to be on the phone.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a 1111.

[Ish]

I'll look. I'll see the time next.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do that mean?

[Queen's Flip]

I'm slowish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got like some jinx type, like a 1111 some.

[Joe Budden]

You don't know what 1111 means?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I never heard this before in my life.

[Ish]

You heard the Chris Brown album.

[Joe Budden]

You, too.

[Ish]

Is only Chris Brown angel numbers.

[Joe Budden]

When it's 11:11, you make a wish and you don't tell anybody. No. Oh, you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're straightened from the hood, though, so that might be.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that we don't know that we don't have that confirmed that y' all are straightening from the hood.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But.

[Joe Budden]

That'S why the Times is important. They start fact checking. Yeah. I mean. Oh, you can't just say I'm straightening from the hood.

[Ish]

What time?

[Joe Budden]

New York Times. New York Times.

[Ish]

New York Times.

[Joe Budden]

Them pick it up. Pick it up at Hudson News.

[Ish]

They'll go find them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Be careful. Be careful. All right, let's see. Let's see. All right, so these lied on 11 11.

[Queen's Flip]

No, we said nah.

[Ish]

Me and Flip told the truth.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Old rappers outperforming young rappers. Did anybody here get a chance to see the new secondary logo for range rover that they just came out with? No.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Where it's Two R's in. It's an. It's an R over another R upside down, like a R. And then underneath it is an upside down R. Okay. And this is a big deal because, you know, Range Rover is not. I mean, Range Rover has not changed their logo in however many years. And this is a big deal because one of them other car companies recently changed their logo and it was trash. And everybody is killed.

[Ish]

Jaguar, wasn't it?

[Joe Budden]

Jaguar.

[Ish]

Yo, this is trash, too. This is trash.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why it's the talking point now, because people are like, why would Range Rover do something like that?

[Ish]

Look, trash. Look like my daughter drew it. This look like the Pittsburgh Pirates logo. A P and a P. It don't even look like R. This is trash.

[Joe Budden]

Is it?

[Parks]

I'm looking on their website or on their Instagram. I don't see that.

[Ish]

No, this is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, this joint ugly.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, it's ugly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is real ugly.

[Ish]

Yours better than mine.

[Joe Budden]

Look, it's still trash.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't care how you.

[Joe Budden]

It's trash. All right, so you're not with that at all? At all. Okay. No, I just wanted to ask.

[Ish]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

I just wanted to ask. Let's see. Trump threatens yada.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

How many times you. Michael, Jamal, that goofy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Does anybody care about Cash Out Citizen?

[Joe Budden]

I keep forgetting who this is.

[Parks]

I don't know who that is.

[Ish]

You know the song?

[Joe Budden]

I know what song? I'm cashing out this girl. I'm cash now.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's him.

[Joe Budden]

I guess he was cashing out all them crying. Cuz he did all that. He did all that.

[Ish]

They offered him 25 and he turned it down. And he said no, cuz I want to have my day in court.

[Joe Budden]

Well, sir, you have had it a couple days.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I roll the dice. They offered me 25 too.

[Ish]

Yeah. For real. Until you get life. No, but life could be. It don't got to be life. Possibility of parole.

[Joe Budden]

25 is very different than life.

[Ish]

It's some consecutive time on there. It's like.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm going read the charges.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell me, tell me. Let me do that.

[Joe Budden]

Give me the million of them. Yeah, yeah. Let me give you a little bit more context. Yeah. Cuz it. Think he could beat it. Yeah.

[Ish]

No, I didn't say that.

[Joe Budden]

You know, you sit right there. Don't worry. It's coming your way.

[Unknown]

I got you.

[Joe Budden]

It's coming your way right now.

[Ish]

Okay, watch. I'm saying.

[Queen's Flip]

Beat them.

[Ish]

Just listen. Count one violation of rico.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't take them traffic tickets to Trial. You want to take something to tri.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Double park?

[Joe Budden]

Say whatever, boy he went to, right? Cuz they paid that money. He wasn't going to trust I went to trial. Go ahead. Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now I'm with Ish on that. Ish is also. I mean, Ish is 63 years old. If they give him 25, that is life.

[Ish]

You might as well just roll the dice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, so you might as well roll the dice. You ain't got shit to lose. If I'm anything over 50, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that. Cause this morning I started doing math. I was like, Damn, I got 15 more summers till I'm 60.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't a lot, man.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta be lit. I keep sitting here talking, oh, summer's trash. Bring on the fall.

[Parks]

I was doing that math too, but then I realized, not 11. I'm 40.

[Joe Budden]

Real.

[Parks]

I'm 41. And if I make it to 80, I'm just gonna do this all again. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a lot of time. It'll go faster, obviously, than the first 40.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's white privilege to. To think like 80.

[Ish]

He already at 80.

[Joe Budden]

80 is a real thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We counting on 6.

[Joe Budden]

You be comfortable. They've been killing us. Hey, you won't make it to 21. You want 25. Oh, you definitely won't be 30. Oh, you're not making it to 40. 50 is r. 80.

[Queen's Flip]

You'll be comfortable going at 80. You say parks.

[Joe Budden]

Well, who wouldn't be comfortable going at 80?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I mean, I don't want to go at 80. Yeah, my dad lived to be 80.

[Joe Budden]

Is 35 more years of lit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My family's oldest shit. So I expect to go to 90. 90 is kind of my. My magic number, but I know you can't bank on 90. But I'm unreasonably hopeful for 90. But if I was looking at jail time, I would be doing them normal averages, and I'd be like, look, I'll probably. We get to 60.

[Joe Budden]

70.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not taking 25 years. Years.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to leave jail at 70.

[Joe Budden]

Your 20 more years is 65. That is nuts to me.

[Parks]

Yeah, that'll come quick.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's just sober like a. I gotta hurry.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta have another baby out these. I gotta do it to him one more time. They think. They think I'm just go peacefully. Nah, I gotta drop one demon on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you like this?

[Joe Budden]

I got to. I got to, got to. Somebody got to torment this while I'M going, so could be like, wait, who dad? Who. Who's the dad?

[Ish]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

They gotta do that. Come on, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah. Unacceptable.

[Joe Budden]

Please. I seen your kid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In Society. Yo, he embarrasses me.

[Ish]

If I was doing. If I was doing 20, I ain't gonna lie.

[Queen's Flip]

Hold on, y'.

[Ish]

All. If I was doing 30 million a year, I have another one too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Queen's Flip]

You got another one away.

[Joe Budden]

So what you waiting doing?

[Ish]

I'm not doing 30 million a year.

[Joe Budden]

But what. But what did the hoodies do?

[Queen's Flip]

You got another one.

[Ish]

30 million.

[Joe Budden]

But what did the.

[Ish]

Not 30 million. Oh, you got that part.

[Joe Budden]

But what's the number? What did the hoodies do?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I seen the records we saw with.

[Queen's Flip]

Call three right now.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, let's call somebody that can get to the bottom of this Call right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Queen's Flip]

You don't play that. Yeah, yeah, that's my. I like that about you. You can tell a.

[Ish]

That's spe.

[Queen's Flip]

That's my people. I don't give a better through. You see my people.

[Joe Budden]

I love when is get to that part of the people I ain't speak to in a while.

[Queen's Flip]

He do the head too.

[Joe Budden]

That boy right there, that's my man. Yo, come out with me one time, please. Please. Y. This one time in Atlantis. One time for the old time sake. So these can know we used.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, yo, hey, don't eating orange pills, please.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no, no, no. He can't come out with me. Are you going to behave like that again?

[Queen's Flip]

Eat that. Eat that before you get there.

[Joe Budden]

All right? Never mind.

[Queen's Flip]

Get all that citrus in you before you get there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Citrusy.

[Queen's Flip]

This crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Do that when you get back into white.

[Queen's Flip]

Eating pills in the club and think it's fire.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't see nothing wrong with it.

[Joe Budden]

He just doing it for swallowing orange pills. Still bagging the white bill. White is weird, yo. Look, white, white don't give a. What you doing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hot black, hot black.

[Joe Budden]

H Catch a ball. Just tossing some orange fields back.

[Ish]

This nigga's a fool hustler club on fire.

[Joe Budden]

God damn.

[Queen's Flip]

You must have had fun this weekend in the Bronx, huh?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, I had a good time. Me and my baby.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Had a good time with me and my baby. Yeah, man, we had a good time before we got there. We had a good time.

[Queen's Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Ready for the.

[Queen's Flip]

Ready for your trip?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to go. Let's see. Let's. Let's see what these kids are up to.

[Ish]

You want some new hoochie? Daddy. Swim trunks.

[Joe Budden]

No, I got enough swim trunks and I ain't buy nothing.

[Ish]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

But let's see what's going on.

[Ish]

That's what you said, Jo. We no old ones, though. Let's see what you said last year.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm off of that. Oh, I'm off of that.

[Ish]

Tight now. It's tight now.

[Parks]

Uhhuh.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah, it's that part. It's not that. I'm trying to be bougie. I can't fit some of them. Some of them shits fit a little. That's right up your alley. Them little leopard joints I bought from the Monon three years ago, I tried throwing away yesterday. I wasn't a cheetah, I wasn't a cougar. I wasn't none of that with leopards. I was trash out there in my new tw.

[Ish]

You. You going to be Head Ass out there.

[Joe Budden]

My. My girl is my girl, so I ain't going to have no choice. Her middle name is Head ass. On vacation. Fire, though. On vacation.

[Ish]

Hey, we just had that. We just had that combo yesterday. Like, yo, what we we doing? All right, cool.

[Joe Budden]

We doing it.

[Ish]

We gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

I just wanna see what these fucking kids look like. And I got a surprise for them. I got a surprise. I think I told y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I can't say it on here. Cause it's surprised, but got a little surprise for him. We'll see. I wanna see what the kids is like out of town. Every time I talk to Trey. Well, the last three times I've talked to Trey, his mom is in the background right there too. Like, why you making her face good way?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He looks so disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't spoken 30 years, so. I mean, shit. Yo, when that baby mom get on the phone that you ain't spoke to in 27 years, it's still. Oh, my God. Well, you can take that part out. But she's so happy to hear from me. She's so. You have to keep our baby safe out there. Girl, shut up. You know what it is, nigga. You know it is. It's the dad you throw with beer. It's the dad you told him was evil, girl. Yep. We go to Turks.

[Ish]

They say it all this nigga so stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Yo dads that's going through it in your co parenting situation. Just be patient. In 26 years, she'll see it your way. She'll see it your way. 26 years.

[Queen's Flip]

Or not.

[Joe Budden]

Or if your kid is bad early and she calling you when he about 12, 13, like, you better come get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This little badass nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I told you keep thinking you could raise my jeans without me. Yeah, I knew them jeans would sometimes. Hey, them jeans would send your number through my call ID at some point. Now, maybe not at 4, 5 and 6.

[Ish]

Jordache. Jordache.

[Joe Budden]

Work day way back. Yeah. Come 10, 11, 12, it won't just be a single mom type of thing.

[Queen's Flip]

So it took you. How was that though, the conversation? Cause you don't mind having a lot of. You don't hold grudges, right? Or you let it go because you're gonna able to have couple a conversation with her.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't no grudge to old. She did the best job in the world of raising my oldest born true.

[Queen's Flip]

But that mentality, that mentality comes from.

[Joe Budden]

You're no reason to beef.

[Queen's Flip]

You understand what I'm saying? Like, that mentality comes from maturity. Because I'm pretty sure you wasn't saying that a couple years years ago.

[Joe Budden]

Hell no. It all comes from maturity. It all comes from maturity. In your 30s, you think. Think, oh, this. Oh, I'm not. I'm not raising a child to the court system and all the shit. You think in your 30s, and it's like at 45, it's like, oh, I was bugging the out. If I go do what I was supposed to do and she do what she's supposed to do, then we should be able to do what we supposed to do whether we was best friends for 25, 26 years or not. So I'm happy to hear from her. I'm happy that she's married. I'm happy that she's happy that we could do things like this like. Like in your 40s, it's. It's time to be happy about. Yeah, mature. When you make as much money as me, I can't complain.

[Ish]

They said money don't buy happiness, though, so that you can still make that money and not be happy.

[Queen's Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's true. But I got a lot of people in my life. I see you.

[Queen's Flip]

Let's go. Freeze that. Freeze, freeze. Energy different today, boy.

[Ish]

Them ain't shopping at the right store. They got happiness. This is special.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Move the library book.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Go back there.

[Ish]

They gotta have all happiness, all colors back there.

[Joe Budden]

Happiness ain't even as expensive as they make it out to be. Hey, happiness, it ain't a lot. It ain't a lot.

[Ish]

How much happiness costs, you think?

[Joe Budden]

Well, a Target trip for my girl while I'm in the crib chilling. Oh, that's the best. Send her to target real quick. Let me get a long time. Hey, let me see what else I need. I can get happiness for under 500.

[Ish]

How long?

[Joe Budden]

Short.

[Ish]

Now you're talking Short lived A band aid.

[Joe Budden]

Throwing the temporary band aid. A little temporary.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

If you little temporary band aid what.

[Ish]

Would be the yearly amount for real for have had you think that you would need to make to be happy? Like consistently happy?

[Joe Budden]

Listen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Joe Budden]

This is. This is a great conversation. In real life, I think that you should be able to get your happiness for free.

[Queen's Flip]

True.

[Ish]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

But in this conversation I believe that. But in this conversation that's a l. Yeah, I believe that.

[Queen's Flip]

Me too. Should. Yeah, should.

[Joe Budden]

Should, should. But for the shallow bane people out there, I don't even call that much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Given your given who you are right now and should's off the table. What's the number?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, do I have an ancillary 2500 to spend every week? Cuz that's 25 or 25 is fine. How many weeks is five?

[Ish]

10 grand.

[Joe Budden]

12 bucks. 20.

[Ish]

You said an ancillary 10 grand.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, so I'm talking about an ancillary buck. 20.

[Ish]

So you still got to pay all your bills. He talking about.

[Parks]

So you're talking like maybe with a go half a mill a year you would be able to.

[Ish]

No, that's what I'm saying. What do you think?

[Joe Budden]

I was happy homeless. But since we up I was homeless.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And was not happy. I don't what the you was at.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't lying. I'm not.

[Ish]

I've been around you when you wasn't homeless.

[Unknown]

We was having some hella cool parties.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Broke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we had we.

[Ish]

You were the happiest my we.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good time. Broke. We had a great time. Broke. I ain't going to lie. I had more fun, bro.

[Ish]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

I have more fun, bro. Was happy. I had more fun, bro.

[Ish]

This may look different now by yourself in the room. Happiness. Happiness.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too. I wasn't happy homeless, but I was happy bro.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, E. Yeah, I take it back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Happy bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was happy.

[Joe Budden]

Real happy, bro.

[Parks]

If I had enough money to pay the bills and do like maybe pay.

[Ish]

The bills and have an extra 20, 2500 a week. Yeah. Was happy when they couldn't.

[Queen's Flip]

I was just looking at my bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the trick with him. His bills might be butlers and mansion fees. Yeah.

[Ish]

So that's what I'm saying. Like. Like if I think if I was at I Think if I was at.

[Queen's Flip]

Be careful, you know. You know they listening.

[Ish]

1.5 a year. Consistent, I think. Oh, I think I'll be straight. I'm about to say how many years.

[Joe Budden]

You got to make that for that to be consistent? Consistent.

[Ish]

No, if I was consistently at one.

[Joe Budden]

Point, you just mean period.

[Ish]

I'd be fine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You'd be happy.

[Joe Budden]

I'd be more than contended, mortified. I don't think so.

[Ish]

About. I don't think that about you. Yeah, I would. Because you going to want.

[Joe Budden]

You going to get tired of that 1.5.

[Ish]

Want more.

[Joe Budden]

We cheat.

[Queen's Flip]

Well, not if not at 50, you.

[Joe Budden]

Make 1.5, we back to cheating you. We.

[Ish]

Now we.

[Joe Budden]

I'm we.

[Queen's Flip]

No us.

[Ish]

I don't speak what we would do.

[Joe Budden]

You talking.

[Ish]

All right, now what's the number?

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you what. Look at me now.

[Ish]

What's the number? You said if you make 1.5.

[Joe Budden]

If you make 1.5, we back.

[Ish]

What's the base number for you? It's 1.5. Or is it?

[Joe Budden]

No. What's that now?

[Ish]

What's that number?

[Joe Budden]

350.

[Ish]

350 grand a year and you back at cheating.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not saying that.

[Ish]

That's what I'm asking.

[Joe Budden]

No, no money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You just sick. But we all over the place up.

[Ish]

But 350.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

350 is your number to be happy. You said. I. I don't believe me. But 1.5. What's your number.

[Queen's Flip]

To be happy?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the Times got a very happy. Now, see, this is why everybody can't just say what they want to the Times. The Times.

[Ish]

No, that's what I'm saying. 350, bro.

[Queen's Flip]

Okay.

[Ish]

It's not enough.

[Joe Budden]

You can't tell me was enough for my happiness, though, like five.

[Ish]

What is what make. What does your happiness consist of? That's an internal question, bro, because everybody happiness. Yo, how much money see we got.

[Queen's Flip]

I'm keep wanting more, though. That's what I'm saying. So the happiness, it's going to be temporary.

[Ish]

I don't need that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It don't take a lot for me.

[Ish]

Yo, bro, I'm telling you, like even in my older age, bro, the things that I would normally do. That's what I'm saying with money, I don't do it. It don't take the money. No. So what I'm saying is what I'm dog at certain numbers. I could travel as much as I want. I could travel in a decent manner. My house will be fine. So what's that Number I just told.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You he said 1.5 for him.

[Ish]

Yeah, if I'm at 1.52. But that's the way in that range. I'm fine, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the point. The thing is what makes you happy? For me, the happiness comes from the peace, like not having to stress about certain things.

[Ish]

My daughters will be in the schools that I want to put them in. You know what I mean? Like, I could have a quality car. My girl got a quality car. We live in a neighborhood now. We live in the neighborhood that I want to live in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He get that money now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's my point. I just. I want you to get it without having to go back to the bl.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you not happy now?

[Queen's Flip]

It's family to me.

[Ish]

I say I'm not happy. See, I'm saying I would be content. Like happiness and contentment are two different things. They two different things. Yeah. Right now I'm content. I'm not fulfilled. Let me ask a question. Because there's still gaps in my life that I want to create.

[Joe Budden]

Working. Yo, those are that again.

[Ish]

Does everybody in here know what makes them happy?

[Joe Budden]

My girl, My.

[Ish]

I think a lot of people really don't know what make you happy. That's true.

[Joe Budden]

My girl.

[Ish]

I'm looking. I'm looking up school prices and them shits are a monster. Oh, I told you, huh?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The house prices are monster.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And taxes are another monster joke.

[Ish]

That's King Kong and gossip.

[Joe Budden]

Love that.

[Queen's Flip]

Hey, you can be. You could. You could be happy.

[Ish]

Montclair taxes are a mortgage.

[Queen's Flip]

You could be happy for a while. But then when you start to experience new things, you start to come more across new things. You're going to want more.

[Ish]

But I would want that in the form of experiences. It don't got to necessarily be material.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, some. But some. Some people to Flip's point, are never happy. Like you get that house, right?

[Joe Budden]

And then you want a bigger house.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then you go to the homies house. You're like, oh, that got. Oh, he got a pool. Oh, I need one of them. And it's like, oh, he got a pool. You need a fall.

[Ish]

And that would be.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's a trick. That right there is a trick too though. Like I've gone house searching and I went to. Just cause I like to. Not cause I can afford it, but just cause I like to see shit. I've gone to see the 20 and 25 and $30 million motivation. Believe it or not. He can afford it some of them, I walk out of there saying, never. Thank God I don't own this motherfucker. Waking up that shit would be a headache. It would ruin life. It would make everything miserable. Worse. Work my day to day. Looking at all this. This is too much overhead, too much. Nobody needs it. But you don't know that if you just on some.

[Ish]

That takes maturity, the fantasy. This year, the one I. The one that sat this year, and I asked you, I said, yo, did you see this house? No, I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Right, I' ma see it.

[Queen's Flip]

It's that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he's also made.

[Ish]

I. I know, I know, but I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Just saying gotta be careful to keep and stick to the rivers and the lakes that we used to too.

[Ish]

Yeah, bro. And again, if I had a house and my house was 5,500 square feet. 5,000 square feet. That's more than enough house for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

I saw the interview you did in the. In the kitchen that night.

[Queen's Flip]

When you give the lady the nickname Smiling.

[Ish]

Downstairs in the kitchen.

[Joe Budden]

We watch.

[Ish]

That a fool, yo. No, I'm like, that's more than enough for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But don't think.

[Queen's Flip]

I don't think. I don't think I'm going be honest, listen. And I don't think nobody'll ever be happy. I'm happy with my family. I'm happy. They bring me stability. But the fact that I always want more and I have to go get it, see, I don't think it causes me to. It's not happiness for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to feel like that, and I don't anymore. We switching it and I realized, you know what I realized that honestly, is the house thing. It's when I started to go house hunting and it was like, okay, I can afford a house like this, this. But I don't want that.

[Ish]

I don't want that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or I'll pay this, but I'm not going to get the biggest house I can find for that amount. I want to get the house that makes me. And it was at that moment that I felt like I'd matured. Because there was a time where I would have felt insecure about that or I would have felt like I needed.

[Joe Budden]

Now it's like leaving that there for your happiness.

[Ish]

I'm going keep it real with you. Even cars and shit, I just don't look at them the same no more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me neither.

[Ish]

I don't look at cars the same I used to. I got clothes out there. I don't. I'm a sneaker head. I buy Sneakers all the time. But outside of that, bro, I don't really want much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Not materially.

[Ish]

I've changed, bro.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

So if you go through depression.

[Joe Budden]

1.5. We cheated in Brazil too.

[Ish]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We out of here.

[Ish]

I beat the.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. We cheating foreign.

[Ish]

I beat the.

[Joe Budden]

We out of here.

[Queen's Flip]

Thank you very much, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

Little Croatian.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Uh huh. Your girl gonna be like, I beat the shit out of you.

[Ish]

He said Croatian?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

No, I was just going to the.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna go where his white ass. He got blacks in, boy. You wasn't black.

[Queen's Flip]

Go ahead. If you go through depression, happiness is what, dormant at that moment.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, sometimes in everybody's situations different with depression, sometimes it's chemical, sometimes it's not. About your material circumstances. Some people have like, things that are triggered by things, and sometimes mine is. Sometimes it's seasonal, sometimes it's triggered by like my winter stuff happens because of things that have happened to me in the wintertime, but it's not about what's going on in my life.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, there's nothing that I can get that would make that better. I don't want more. I'm not like, oh, if I've had more money, if I had more. It's not that for me, I'm generally pretty. I don't do myself.

[Queen's Flip]

So there's nothing that can be done to make that. That's what you're saying. Like, no material things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not material. The three things. I think I said this before. The three things that my, my therapist always recommends and others do often for depression is like exercise, therapy and medicine. He says you should do like two of those three things. And so for me, I don't really like the drugs.

[Ish]

So exercise and therapy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So exercise and therapy and talk therapy for me are like the two things. And when I'm doing that, I'm generally okay. Now, sometimes things will happen and we all have stressors, but in general, those are the things that keep me.

[Queen's Flip]

And speaking to you, I realize that, that sometimes I went through forms of depression or anxiety, but I think I just fight it differently. Yeah, I think that the environment I came from, it was sort of looked down upon, if you acknowledge that. So I fight it different. I'm just in one of my moods. You might not afford it, but it's not a mood. I'm going through something, it's not a mood. Like if I could wake up and just be mad at my family or be mad, I don't want to talk to her, that's it's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not a mood.

[Queen's Flip]

You're affecting people.

[Ish]

But you know what? You might not have fought it. Like you said where you came from, you couldn't allow it to happen, so you just kind of suppressed it. That's not really fighting it, though. That's just like flipping it over here.

[Queen's Flip]

That link is to adulthood.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Queen's Flip]

But what I mean is that, like, when I speak to Mark and Marcus explained the certain things he went through, Mark and I had a conversation. I'm like, okay, got you. Then I started to say, I've experienced that.

[Ish]

I went through that too.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, I felt that way, but I handled it different. Different meaning, like, I didn't speak to somebody. I'm just like, man, I wanna know. I let a couple of days. I may go take a shower. You know what I'm saying? But shout out to you. Shout out to everybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's. That's. That's the journey, and we all gotta get there. So I tell everybody out there as we rap this, like, yo, just like, see a therapist. Do what you gotta do. Find some way to find joy and happiness. I just of the opinion that, you know, we say you can't find joy in money, but also, it's really hard to find joy when you don't have.

[Ish]

Have any little rum and tug.

[Queen's Flip]

Got you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I don't know, man. My wife came. Yo, first of all, I. I should have never let my wife watch this podcast, much less reach out to y', all, man. First of all, she walked around last week, she smacked me ass three different times with Ho Wham. I. I hate this, man. I hate this T shirt's coming next week, and she thinks it's the funniest shit. T shirts coming next week.

[Queen's Flip]

He could do that. Why your business? You got your T shirts. The Hawaiian T shirts. Of course I'm buying Hawaiian. Show this.

[Joe Budden]

We can't keep putting out these shirts at the same time. Oh.

[Ish]

They really already here. But it's okay.

[Joe Budden]

But they dropping next week. No, they.

[Ish]

They out. They dropped already.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, thank God.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's stupid.

[Queen's Flip]

Yo, them old. Them old Al Green. One of them family will get you, man. I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

I got to call the Times back. If you was dropping the ham shirt, how much you made now off the. That's. That ish hoodies and the hams.

[Ish]

And did you factor in, like, the.

[Joe Budden]

The. The.

[Ish]

The one offs? Autism awareness and.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, breast cancer, Black History month.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Small people's month. You just had, like, everything.

[Queen's Flip]

Small people.

[Joe Budden]

What's next? Sm? Don't know. One Girl, would.

[Queen's Flip]

Yo, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Why would you say this?

[Ish]

An idiot, bro.

[Parks]

What's wrong with you?

[Ish]

Nigga's a fool, son.

[Queen's Flip]

You can't say like that.

[Ish]

Dirty chops over there like this guy.

[Joe Budden]

What else needs our attention? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing at all. That's the thing. Nothing at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, nothing.

[Queen's Flip]

He did that same go on his phone.

[Joe Budden]

All right. No. We find a sleeper.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sleepers.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to go with a young lady by the name of Sophie Marks. And this record is called Easy to Dream.

[Ish]

This might be a banger. Let me put my headphones on.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, little white soul right quick. Phil Collins niece or some. I know, Amber Marks. But this is Sophie Marks right here. Let's go. Easy to dream Is this what you wanted to be? Now youg'll come back again after all the rain Thinking everything about me I make it like a faithful step me Be honest, you will not put up the pain on me Cuz, you been talking with some other friend well, it's easy to dream welcome back again after all the rain Everything about me I'm making you don't you get tired of shame? That's right. Sound like the new Miami Vice soundtrack. God damn it. Brand new music from Sophie Marks. This record is called Easy to Dream. Available in your phone and on dsps. No Joe Biden. We got him.

[Unknown]

We fucking got him.

[Joe Budden]

We'll fold that up right now. Oh, man.

[Ish]

I'mma go this record. Well, Gibbs and alchemists are dropping Alfredo 2 later this week for sure. And this is the title track, 1995. Excuse me? The intro track. 1995.

[Unknown]

You can't stand and we don't die we multiply like rabbits like an addict Took the high road on I'm riding over passes Nothing in your catalog Classic you shacking like the nast My father Kane I turn his sons to bastards Built to ass like Joseph Jackson no relaxing yeah, all right. If they want to start that yeah Is it right? Cause I'm talking my.

[Joe Budden]

It'S perfectly all.

[Unknown]

Right with me thank me I'mma still be your back With a sequel Ain't no equal Rigs and Mercedes of is evil when I step Got that girl that stripped the neck Put that right back together make that hoe come back with extra I'm the boss still in my section Now I'm the Marlo of my section My history ain't no mystery boy, your bars is under question. Under review Nothing new. Another crew of Freddy clones I put more on this field than Jerry Jones. Leave that man alone Leave that man Alrighty. I was drunk Friday yeah, I heard that I'mma still be your bre yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

I need that.

[Unknown]

Say I'mma still be your bre yeah see so great that the vehicles are what? Yeah, we smash like mashed potatoes Tax evaders shout my brother honey, I just made like 1.5 in Asia yeah man, this crazy how a gen pop to Netflix yeah, I was in the cell making up a set list for my next show for my next lick I was suicidal with a death wish I don't give a 2 more ex these ain't living it03 y' all was selling ready in the box got a dope boy certificate I'm from the east side crime city get straight dug out you a cartoon thug nipsey but I broke.

[Joe Budden]

The mold hey, turn down hey, Conductor Williams. The conductor, right? That's what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. Yo, just make your little slaps yo.

[Ish]

He about to start some.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't starting no. They know what they are. Hey, Conductor Williams, we love you. Just make your slaps. Yo, this boy right here, leave him alone. Leave him. Leave him.

[Unknown]

Like tonight Asses with the fatty dick like molasses I'm out here stacking cabbage I'm coming right at you put on your 3D glasses go take your master wing giving passes by the front row tickets to your show and make that disastrous shoot up the front and get them business cancel hold your whole career for ransom money call you scared to answer. Yeah, I know you thought I was scared to answer back. These hip hop cops is on my set I really want been plotting on my attack really don't want no smoke they want that clap off the back man, this rap beef is corny Now I rather not be attached to none of these lame ass give you another interview without the gang train getting m knock a off with this bulldog switches and stitches Send a salmon back in your f pack ho you sleeping with your kissing me.

[Joe Budden]

Free game two of.

[Parks]

The most qualified job.

[Unknown]

50 in the clip. Yeah.

[Ish]

And that is 1995 by Freddie Gibbs Alchemist off of Alfredo 2, which will be in your phone and on DSPs later this week.

[Parks]

All right, I'm playing R B. I don't know if anybody's played this, but if they did, I don't care. This is Kamari head in a jar. Yo, give what up? Good luck.

[Unknown]

First thing in the moment.

[Queen's Flip]

Morning. Of course you put on that U sweater just like you always do. Tears drip on the faucet and Dexter.

[Ish]

Play on that television just like it.

[Queen's Flip]

Always do you put the volume on.

[Unknown]

The lowest for the neighbors down below.

[Queen's Flip]

But I'm stuck in places why do.

[Unknown]

To you walk away I'll grow you how I know you I'm the closest.

[Queen's Flip]

Here that I've been to you Cuz.

[Joe Budden]

You keep.

[Unknown]

Nice day I spend my.

[Joe Budden]

Life.

[Unknown]

If is the shelf gone then.

[Queen's Flip]

Shall be something sweet.

[Joe Budden]

I want you.

[Queen's Flip]

Mind'S a prison Nobody nobody sweetly own body I try my best not to trick these these walls were paper thin Every now and then I hear voices.

[Unknown]

In the wind wooden floors creak the dead we could have been, could have been, could have been all alone or our neighbors down below.

[Queen's Flip]

But I'm stuck.

[Unknown]

In place that's why I do to you walk away I grow you how come I to know you? I'm the closest here that I've been.

[Ish]

To.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz you keep on your.

[Unknown]

I'll spend my life there.

[Joe Budden]

In the shelf.

[Queen's Flip]

Gone then something sweet the shelf gone then something to me I watch in the way you give someone a free embrace this is me, my place.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Unknown]

Place no goodbyes on overdue obviously I.

[Parks]

That'S Kamari. Head in a jar. Big ish. What you got for us? Yeah, he's tough. He's tough.

[Ish]

I'm going to Alex Eisley, Masego and Jack Don song is called Good and Plenty.

[Joe Budden]

Take up some space you're too far.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Away.

[Joe Budden]

Make a mistake I think you should stay stay you'll get every little bit you ain't never seen a drip like this heaven at your fingertips. Don't you let a minute slip just say oh take in average day spent all in the streets in the fabric.

[Ish]

When I tell you what you mean.

[Unknown]

Chemistry intimate memories every time I give you all my energy emphasis never sleep.

[Joe Budden]

Say you sa you say you don't sleep plenty.

[Parks]

That is Good and Plenty by Alex Eisley, Masego and Jack D. That was fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going to the new Raekwon album Emperor's New Clothes. I'm going with my favorite song on there the joint with Raekwon and Nas called the omerta.

[Ish]

Line as the fans come throw bags exploring all the rap just slow gassing bring water like the Johnny pumps that flow nasty hit sewers with shooters the audacity fascinating appealing underworld with wonder girl dope fiends love is shooting their nuggets up extreme criminality I'm like the raw stings the offsprings all of this tough inside my galaxy Frankie yell of the jail silks diamond spiders we master writers you dumb out relentless on the come out now nocturnal habits the mavens I'm too insulated this is just a crusade we made it Night of the long knives focus the gun toters the folders getting over it's sober now Eating hummus and rover seat sneaking fumbling gokas get rocked in they locust trying to stink blunt front knowing and notice we jewel kings hate the bar that you Robin, you don't even argue with us Slide it off make a movie not know Drinking makers the paintbrushes we cake makers Louie luggage puffing the Dewey brothers we straight haters Barragamo's glass shoe taste what's this? Just a silk and the crunch wrist your lunch call them shepherd is leftovers they eat anything Some get caught in.

[Unknown]

Their best moments we the example we who we said we was never faked it Ones who wore Jewry they couldn't play with the ones who stayed rich details of my revolutionary ways probably get studies of CIA who has true power the Torah of synagogue leaders Quran readers upon readers witchcrafters or Christian pastors rich rappers Mark said religion's the opiate of the masses When I says I got thoughts as if a therapist said what time you want to learn what's in my head when while I'm reclining I'm just stating facts as I respond like when the army walks with assault rifles in the army bases far beyond New York or foreign blocks like Kamas guys in emergency triage extended magazine that targets off heart beating stops car speeding Cops pull you over to check for warrants so give your best performance Nobody got time for petty in the city of bosses Tyrese is my psychiatry office this morning I woke feeling great so I went to an auction to get get lost in a different scene Spent the ticket on art so interesting a painting of Raphine in Hudson yard Another painting was black natives before Central park. You know the claims this was all natives to ring and the year was like 16 something so could this mean Hustlin began when the Indian finessed the Dutchman with opium on horseback this way before crack we always been the Mecca for supplying demand and every era legends in this land was going hand in hand Damn, it's mind boggling who we are the modern kings it get spooky in Harlem, Bronx, Brooklyn and all the Queens and Staten island real type shit dying species of real men I feel that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Parks]

There'S the omerta. Raekwon and Nas off the album. What's the album? Emperor's New Clothes. Solid project. Go out and cop that.

[Joe Budden]

All right, man. Good part for sure. Good part today, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Squad right here.

[Ish]

Boom Boom.

[Joe Budden]

This is the squad right here, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So stupid.

[Joe Budden]

It is idiot. Why y' all get mad at me? Cuz every.

[Ish]

I get mad. I'm chilling.

[Joe Budden]

That speaks to his pension of being able to find talent.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, it does.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I know y' all don't want that, cuz y' all read the little article. Whatever y' all want. Raises. But I mean. I mean, what's wrong?

[Queen's Flip]

Some of us can't get. Can't. Can't get. Raises. Contracts.

[Joe Budden]

Not if you locked in. Not if you locked in.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Queen's Flip]

Can't get ready to fix if you.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a sec. If you would have waited a second. Fix.

[Queen's Flip]

Yo, I got something for this. I got something for my brother. He taught me well.

[Joe Budden]

Little Ray Charles for him. I mean, another. Another. That was blind.

[Queen's Flip]

Yeah, I mean, he was blind.

[Joe Budden]

Flip might have been blind when he signed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was good.

[Queen's Flip]

I was blinding, right?

[Joe Budden]

But now I can see.

[Queen's Flip]

I got. I got Lasik.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Listen, if any of y'. All. If any of y' all want to prove how valuable you are to the company, quit in the middle of the contract and just show your worth. I'll pay. I bet that trick works.

[Queen's Flip]

These are the songs that they play before something happened.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, man, keep us in your prayers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Lord knows we need to be there. Shout out to every legend that we have lost recently in the past few months, for sure gone but not forgotten. We love you, we miss you and thank you for your service. Each and every one of y' all again, man. Hey, let's go, Rudy. Yo, imagine be being in the studio though, in the 40s or 50s and coming up with this. Yo, until next time, man. So happy y' all could be here with us. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you ado Farewell. Adio. Cerebra dir asta la vista. Ar so long about. A simple head nod will suffice. Remember life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Lastly, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. And the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Shout out to you niggas out there, that's not flossing, man. Get you the little new dental floss stick. Clean the out that last night's dinner out your teeth, you dirty bastard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y Get the water pick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean the order. Water pick. Shout out to freeze. Got me that good water pit.

[Parks]

Yeah, me too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, that's good. Freeze got me the to feel good. The water pig, the nostril nose, the hair shaver. I be in the bathroom shaving the out my nose for real. I feel 10 years younger. I feel like it's feel when they put that Beijing on. It's in mot Mark. When they put that dye on, you got look, your new hair. New growth is great. Yo, look at this, man. You gotta stop that mark. Yo, y' all hold it down out there. We'll be back in the New York Times in five years. Maybe less, if prize picks come to play. Y' all hold it down until next time. We love y'. All. Rest in peace, Malcolm. Jamal Warner, man. Man, we love you. God damn. We'll fold that up right now.

[Ish]

Don't look away now.