Episode 852 | "Who’s Gonna Save Superman?"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 852 | "Who’s Gonna Save Superman?"

Date: August 16, 2025
Host(s): Queens Flip (guest host), Ish, Melissa Ford (Mel), Mark (Parks), with regular co-hosts and friends
Joe Budden: Absent for this episode

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Episode Overview

This episode features the regular Joe Budden Podcast cast, spearheaded by Queens Flip in Joe’s absence. The group dives into music reviews (with in-depth talk about Chris Brown’s tour, new Cardi B, Chance the Rapper, Juicy J’s jazz album, and more), dissects the ongoing Drake/Kendrick/UMG legal saga, gets into recent news such as male cheerleaders in the NFL, and has a wide-ranging conversation about culture, gender, and accountability—with humor and their signature candid, lively chemistry. The episode closes with a “sleeper” music selection and light-hearted reflections about the week ahead.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Chris Brown’s MetLife Concert: Unmatched Showmanship

(17:03 – 25:06)

• Nearly everyone in the crew attended—or wished they had attended—the Chris Brown concert at MetLife.
• Ish raves about Breezy’s performance, calling him “currently in a class by himself.”
• “I don't want to hear nobody's name with his anymore. Like, I'm done. No one currently. Stop. Just leave it alone.” – Ish (17:23)
• Chris performed 50+ songs, flew over the crowd, stayed onstage for over three hours, and delivered an audiovisual experience tracing his 20-year career.
• Consensus: Chris Brown has evolved into an unstoppable, must-see artist. Repeated comparison to Michael Jackson, with discussion of the uniqueness and “torch passing” in R&B.
• Notable Quote:
  “He's giving us something that nobody else is gonna give us.” – Ish (23:07)
• The crew debates if Chris will ever get “the next level” recognition, i.e., mainstream awards and full industry acceptance.
• Memorable Moment: Joking about missed shows: “This is the first time I regretted not going to a show. Any other time, I’m like, whatever...” – Flip (21:56)

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2. Cardi B’s New Single & Delivery

(27:00 – 35:43)

• The crew plays and critiques Cardi B’s new single, focusing on her cadence, delivery, and how her voice sometimes sounds “like she’s reading off of something.”
• Split opinions: Praise for the bars and beat, debate over the song’s hit potential.
• Flip is especially unconvinced by the delivery:
  “It almost felt like she just learned it last week and went in and recorded it.” (30:14)
• Discussion of “connecting with the audience,” style evolution, and audience expectations.
• Cardi’s accent and delivery debated as the main barrier for some listeners; Mel defends her, citing cadence differences.

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3. Chance The Rapper’s Comeback Album ("Starline")

(35:53 – 40:39; 179:41 – end)

• Mark is hyped: “This is the best comeback album I’ve heard in a long time. This is fire.”
• Praise for Chance’s lyricism, concept (referencing Marcus Garvey’s Black Star Line), and features (Wayne, Thug, Jay Electronica).
• Mark: “If you like Chance, you’ll love this album.”
• The group touches on Chance’s distancing from Kanye and evaluates how “one really bad album” nearly derailed his rep.
• Multiple songs played and praised during the sleeper section.

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4. Juicy J Drops a Jazz Album

(40:59 – 43:19)

• The crew reacts with playful surprise, but Mark notes,
  “It’s a jazz instrumental album... It’s actually really good.”
• Comparison to André 3000’s flute album, noting Juicy’s is more “musicianship, not just vibes.”

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5. Drake/Kendrick UMG Lawsuit Drama

(48:04 – 67:13)

• In-depth breakdown of Drake’s legal requests:
  • Seeking documents about Kendrick’s alleged violence, relationship with Dave Free, and their kids (48:30–49:28).
• General reaction: Drake’s requests are “nasty,” with Mark and Ish probing his motivations.
• Analysis:
  • The fight is “twofold”—Drake wants both to expose Kendrick and to battle UMG for his masters.
  • Ish: “He’s fighting two fights. One, you embarrassed me... I’m gonna spend any expense to get you back. And he’s fighting a totally separate fight with UMG.” (55:46)
• Comparisons to hip-hop beef tradition; Drake’s litigious route is debated for being outside “hip-hop rules.”
• Mark draws parallel to Taylor Swift’s non-confrontational way to get her masters—Drake’s “scorched earth” by contrast.
• Notable Quote:
  “We keep saying hip hop, hip hop. This is much bigger than hip hop. Drake is much bigger than hip hop...” – Ish (59:08)
• Joe (absent) is referenced: “we’re in legacy-defining territory.”

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6. Cultural & Gender Debates: Music, Stripping, and Inclusion

(70:39 – 90:53)

• Addressing backlash on the show’s approach to “serious” global topics (like Gaza), explaining their choice to remain in their lane.
• Fun banter on the announcement of male cheerleaders for the Minnesota Vikings.
  • “The names sound like male strippers...” – Flip (83:26)
• Mel reflects, “Can’t we just have our own spaces where men don’t want?”
• Broader conversation on male/female spaces, inclusion, and tradition, often with jokes about strip clubs, dancing, and gender flows.

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7. Hip Hop’s Influence – Criticisms, Defenses, and Accountability

(97:10–111:53)

• Lil Yachty’s offensive George Floyd lyric triggers discussion about the insensitivity of current hip hop.
• Mark: “We marched, we bled, we cried... to mock it is distasteful.” (97:20)
• Melissa and Mark reflect on past generations’ criticisms (C. Delores Tucker, Dionne Warwick) and admit “they were right about a lot.”
• Ish and Flip defend hip hop as a mirror—not a generator—of social ills: “The conditions had to exist for NWA to write about them.”
• Mark points to country music glorifying violence too; the group agrees, but Mark adds: “I want us to want something different.”
• Debate about holding hip hop accountable for entrenched misogyny and violence, but all agree hip hop is a larger net positive for the Black community.

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8. Recent News & Gender Dynamics

Shacarri Richardson Arrest Video (147:27–159:18)

• Discussion on the ethics of her airport dispute and arrest after pushing her boyfriend.
• Ish: “If he had thrown her into a pole like that, everyone would say he should go to jail.” (152:30)
• Mark emphasizes the double standard and the need for accountability, regardless of gender.
• All agree: “No one should put their hands on anybody.”

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9. Sleeper Picks (Music Recommendations)

(161:17–end)

• Each host plays and praises notable recent songs:
  • Ryan Blades – “Right Palm Itching”
  • DJ Premier & Roc Marciano – “Remarkable”
  • Sasha Keeble – “Heartbeat”
  • JID ft. Ty Dolla $ign & 6lack – “Wholeheartedly”
  • Life ft. Friday x Meek Mill – “Crash Out (Remix)”
  • Chance the Rapper ft. Jamila Woods – “No More Old Men”
• Brief discussion of music’s current landscape and high praise for JID and Chance's projects.

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10. Miscellaneous & Memorable Moments

• Congratulations to Ian and Jules on the birth of their daughter. “Another girl dad out there. Salute. It’s over.” – Ish (12:32–13:01)
• Recap of trips, mishaps, and goofing on each other's fashion choices, hair, and origin stories (Flip’s army base roots, “West Point Flip”).
• Flippant responses to Willow Smith’s “who ate all the pussy” crying selfie (128:17), leading to much laughter and irreverence.
• Mark reads the Hollywood Reporter’s most powerful podcasters list—Joe Budden Podcast at #4, outpacing Joe Rogan in current influence.
  • “A decade after Joe Budden launched his namesake podcast, it remains the most influential in all of hip hop.”
  • Notable pride at “indie” status; “That’s Indy!” – Flip (94:22)
• Quick news: Donald Trump is sending National Guard to DC, town debates about crime, and the CBC approaching.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Chris Brown's legacy:
  “My scariest thought is who is he passing that torch to now when it comes to this level of creativity.” – Flip (23:45)
• On Drake’s legal tactics:
  “Drake is single-handedly trying to change the algorithm.” – Flip (57:38)
• On hip hop and violence:
  “I only care about the fact that Black people are killing each other a whole lot... If we keep rapping about killing each other... I want us to stop.” – Mark (108:45)
• On inclusion/gender roles:
  “I don't think male strippers do the same thing for women that women strippers do for men.” – Flip (87:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:41 | Episode begins, Flip hosting | | 02:18 | Crew recaps their week (Chris Brown, travel, funny banter) | | 12:25 | Congratulations to Ian & Jules on their new baby | | 17:03 | Chris Brown MetLife concert review – extended segment | | 27:00 | Cardi B’s new single critique | | 35:53 | Chance the Rapper comeback album review / Kanye relationship | | 40:59 | Juicy J’s jazz album | | 48:04 | Drake/Kendrick/UMG lawsuit deep dive | | 70:39 | The show’s stance on covering serious political topics | | 79:05 | Vikings add male cheerleaders, gender-role humor | | 97:10 | Lil Yachty’s insensitive lyric & hip hop’s legacy | | 120:19 | Gunna/Young Thug drama, labels, and “rat representation” | | 133:14 | Jussie Smollett Netflix doc reaction | | 147:27 | Shacarri Richardson arrest video & gendered accountability | | 161:17 | “Sleeper” music picks |

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Tone & Style

• The episode features the usual mix of in-depth cultural analysis, hip-hop knowledge, playful humor, direct confrontation, and supportive friendship.
• Flip keeps the energy lively and conversational, with plenty of wisecracks and group laughter, even as heavy topics are addressed.
• The tone bounces between earnest critique (“We just want better for the culture”) and rowdy ribbing (“You call Rob... Green Arrow, chill the fuck out.”)
• Mark and Mel bring measured, academic perspectives; Ish and Flip keep it grounded and raucous.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This wide-ranging episode will satisfy longtime fans and newcomers. You'll get smart, passionate debate about music’s biggest names and issues (Chris Brown, Cardi B, Drake/Kendrick), sharp-witted group commentary on everything from hip hop’s responsibility to political activism and gender double standards, and the chemistry that has made the Joe Budden Podcast a leader in the culture. While Joe Budden is out, the crew keeps it moving with plenty of quotables, musical gems, and honest dialogue about the week’s events—and why, as Flip repeatedly jokes, “Who’s gonna save Superman?” Ultimately, as always, the podcast closes not with answers, but with friendship, music, and the sense that hip hop—like the show itself—lives on in everyone involved.

Transcript

[Flip]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real.

[Ish]

No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or.

[Flip]

Telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to.

[Ish]

Try this at home.

[Flip]

We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Hold on. He ain't gonna be Dolo.

[Ish]

Oh, no, no, he's not gonna be Dolo.

[Flip]

Not at night time. Your boy Flip will be right there with him. What up, y'? All?

[Mark]

What's poppin?

[Ish]

Oh, what up?

[Flip]

How y' all doing?

[Ish]

Yo, you.

[Flip]

Oh, you hit the button.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, just hit the button on you.

[Flip]

Please do not change the channel. You are tuned into the right place. Joe is not here right now, but we are here to turn up and take over the wonderful. Can you please turn your ring off? You can still do whatever you want.

[Ish]

I know you ain't do no country queen shit.

[Flip]

What do you mean? You got the sauconyes on with Nike socks.

[Ish]

Yo, I got some Saucony socks for you in the house.

[Flip]

I don't know. I just got a 12 pack I got you shout out to Saucony's. I mean, these were given to me. I wasn't familiar with their game, but, you know, let's not highlight any part. Negative. Think about the guy sitting in the chair.

[Ish]

I got some socks for you.

[Flip]

You rocking a star shirt, too.

[Ish]

What's that? What's that?

[Flip]

You got sponsorship? No.

[Ish]

You got. Oh, flip the network moved over there right now.

[Flip]

I'm looking very Brandy looking like a billboard right now.

[Ish]

N I peep. What happened, cuz? Flip the network. You done got your shows picked up by stars. That's what it is.

[Flip]

Oh, you got your picked up. You ain't split me? No, you ain't. You ain't hear me? Clap it up.

[Ish]

Your man fifth put you on. Oh, it's a Queen thing.

[Flip]

Fifth put you on. I ain't going to lie. I'm ignorant, though. Like, if. If I get a network deal, y' all not going to everybody face. Yeah, I'm a traitor. The way they was talking up here, that was comparing like she just her. The way y' all was laughing about. Y' all don't have the same claws. Nah, I got smoke with all you, man. But anyway, I don't know.

[Ish]

I was talking about me.

[Flip]

I love you guys. How y' all doing? Y' all good?

[Ish]

Good, man, great. Glad to be here.

[Flip]

How was your week?

[Ish]

Great week. Great week. I hit that breezy bowl. I'll tell you about it, though. I'll tell you when we get there, but mad as hell. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I think everybody I ever known in my. Known I've ever known in my 49.

[Flip]

Years was at the Chris Breeze, everybody.

[Ish]

Yeah, for real. One of them nights, if you ain't make the first night, you made the second one. We'll talk about it, though.

[Flip]

What about you eat? Oh, I ain't do nothing. I chill. I had a nice relaxed week.

[Ish]

Oh, why you ain't going to breezy?

[Flip]

I couldn't. I couldn't make it.

[Ish]

Yo, you could have made it.

[Flip]

Wow.

[Ish]

One of the nights you could have made it.

[Flip]

I couldn't make it. Couldn't make it, man. Why you make.

[Ish]

You're gonna stop this breezy, yo.

[Flip]

No, that. No, listen, I got. When we talk about that, all right? Yeah, I'm taking all my shit. No, I'm down. I'm with it now. Even he can't move. Really? You saw he just walked in the seat sensation. You saw he walked. And that nigga dance. He danced. He can't dance no more. That. I just tuck it in now. You was tippy toeing like this in the chair, boy like me. Yeah, you your Achilles up too. What's up, man? What you did?

[Melissa]

I don't know, nothing.

[Flip]

Just.

[Ish]

Yo, you got a date tonight?

[Flip]

Yeah, you got a date tonight.

[Ish]

We can always tell, man. You got your little. It shows your little chips. Highway patrol glasses on.

[Flip]

You got a date tonight.

[Ish]

You got your new shoes on. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, the toes fresh.

[Flip]

You got a date.

[Melissa]

They are so, so not.

[Ish]

And them your first date jeans.

[Flip]

She got the. She got the first date jeans on. I know, I know you took her.

[Ish]

We know.

[Flip]

The one that go all the way. Let me see them.

[Ish]

The ones you walk down the stairs and they gonna be waiting for you.

[Flip]

Walk down the stairs. So you ain't do nothing this week. You was in the crib by the bookshelf.

[Melissa]

That's exactly where I was.

[Flip]

I was the bookshelf.

[Melissa]

Just ran errands. My life was boring this week. It was just a lot of work.

[Flip]

Is Daisy okay? Is she safe?

[Melissa]

She's fine. She's somewhere around here.

[Flip]

No, she's here.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Oh, who I haven't seen in a while. I thought that we here at least.

[Ish]

You know, she alive if she here.

[Flip]

What's up, Parks?

[Mark]

I'm chilling, man. How you feeling?

[Flip]

I feel good, man.

[Mark]

What you did, I didn't do this week. My wife is away, so I'm chilling.

[Flip]

Oh.

[Ish]

Yo, why you cut your curls?

[Mark]

It's summer, man.

[Flip]

It's hot. Yeah. Stop hating on them. But you can't curl.

[Ish]

I like his curls.

[Flip]

Yeah, of course. Because you can't.

[Ish]

No, I compliment your curls all the time.

[Flip]

You do? Wait, wait. What you talking about? I like his curls. When you pass 49, you can say stuff like that. Else you like. Do you like his legs? His thighs? Freak.

[Mark]

Too far.

[Flip]

All right, pause. Let's turn up real quick. Pause. You ready?

[Mark]

Turn up.

[Ish]

Let's go, man.

[Flip]

Let's get it. No, hold on, hold on. What you do? Nigga, don't try to skip over yourself.

[Melissa]

Oh, I love it.

[Flip]

Oh, you slick.

[Melissa]

Did you select this?

[Flip]

Yes, of course. You now tune into the JB Flip. It's your next tattoo. Please, Mel E. Piggity. Yes, sir. Caress me, loves me.

[Ish]

This is my. This is my, too. This is my.

[Flip]

Turn the volume up, you hear me? Let's go, man. Look. Look at him. He in his back now. I do. But wait, the Z100 is happening right now. What the. So kiss. Oh.

[Mark]

My bad, my bad.

[Flip]

Don't worry, Bob. We got you, all right.

[Ish]

You should have came back with some John Mayer.

[Flip]

N N. We got our own. We got our own stuff. Boy is turning on, right?

[Ish]

I might read the comments for the first time.

[Mark]

This is appropriation, I think.

[Flip]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Ish]

I need to.

[Flip]

What they saying right now? You ain't playing one with Super Cat, though. Everywhere I go, you right.

[Mark]

I did.

[Flip]

25 years old. Hey, my mama, God bless her. So sing. Well, I just want to fly. I see we. This Joe is throwing the computer at us right now.

[Ish]

What the fuck Joe going like this?

[Flip]

Oh, okay. You can tell. You can tell. He not used to the man. Look, he just talking all over the record. Yeah, girl, go ahead, boy. This need to be talked over. I wish you.

[Mark]

When he sent me his playlist, I.

[Ish]

Was like, he dead ass serious.

[Flip]

The first time we heard park sing, I feel good. You don't know about this. You need love. The angry boy. A little too insane.

[Mark]

Game.

[Flip]

This is my last resort. All right, here we go. Sure will kill us, but I'll deal with it next week.

[Melissa]

Okay?

[Ish]

Okay, hold on. All right, hold on now.

[Flip]

Hold on. Hold on.

[Ish]

Hold on now.

[Flip]

1, 2, 3. Hit it.

[Ish]

All right, now I want to break something.

[Flip]

Look at Mel. Yeah, her white side coming out.

[Ish]

Yo, them got hella coochie.

[Flip]

Look where his mind goes. He's the horniest. Kurt. Man was going crazy. That was good. We did. Damn. Can we get some drops? A round of applause.

[Mark]

You're absolutely right.

[Flip]

Can we get. All right. I know. Got caught up in the white somewhere.

[Ish]

There we go.

[Flip]

There we go. Props. What episode is this, bro?

[Mark]

This is 8:52. We got to do you pause and.

[Melissa]

Mel.

[Flip]

Mel and E, y'. All. Main party, let's go. Oh, man. Welcome to episode 852.

[Mark]

That's right.

[Flip]

Of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by, fueled by everything else. Prize picks, Roch's gang. You we that up.

[Melissa]

All right.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Mark]

You don't acknowledge the fuck up. You just keep playing the song.

[Flip]

Brought to you by Fuel by, sponsored by Price Pick Prospects gang. Yeah.

[Mark]

There we go.

[Flip]

I'm your humble host. Following Joe's blueprint. Queen's flip to my right. Whoo. Hello, hello, hello, hello. She steals tops from work. Meaning the top of cups. She stole his cup. No. The beautiful, the wonderful, the amazing M4, Melissa Ford. Round of applause. Patrone E is in the building. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Just go over the ish today. Let's just have a smoothie. Cause I'm about to fry you up. But you're right. No, you don't. Round of applause for my man Imani in the building. The main man with the master plan. He makes sure Everything is above 20 grand, man. My man library. The doctor. The doctor of lovernomics. The lovernomics doctor boy, he do not play, but so far you can go. He's not always there when you call, but he is always there when you call. And he's always on time. My man.

[Mark]

I thought we were getting Ashanti reference.

[Flip]

My man. That's the love Parks. How you doing? You good?

[Mark]

Thanks.

[Flip]

Elmira is fine. This is my man Parks, man. Right on the floor for Parks League. We got Poe in here. We got Corey in here. E is in the back. And this man. I forgot, my man named Julian. Oh, that's my man, too. He tall, too. That's my man. That's what did it for you?

[Ish]

I just gotta acknowledge it for the tall. You like tall, you know?

[Flip]

Do you guys.

[Ish]

You said he did it for you.

[Flip]

You said.

[Ish]

You said. That's my man. He tall, too.

[Flip]

You guys. You guys go real far when it comes to that. No, that's. That's my God, man. Welcome, man. We're here. I'm happy to see you guys, man. What's up, man?

[Ish]

What's up?

[Flip]

I know we did, you know, we talked about what we did this weekend, but I'm just happy to see you guys. Same, same. Can we send a congratulations shout out to my boy. To our boy Ian.

[Mark]

Oh, we have to.

[Flip]

Have to send a big congratulations.

[Ish]

Congratulations. Yes.

[Flip]

Congratulations to Ian and Jules.

[Ish]

Welcome to the club.

[Flip]

Love you guys. Bundle of joy is here. Baby girl. Beautiful, man.

[Ish]

Another girl dad out there. Salute. It's over.

[Flip]

How you think he feels right now? Amazing.

[Melissa]

He's on top of the world.

[Ish]

It's a different feeling.

[Melissa]

And also that probably that his wife is a warrior and a goddess.

[Ish]

I concur.

[Flip]

Yeah. And in another month he gonna be tired of shit. Another month. I mean, when he get into the real routine of it, another month. I mean, he has to be there to help her, help her out, man.

[Ish]

Now, don't you talk about ain't no.

[Flip]

Mouth, but you still kind of in the moment. You still engulfed in the moment. Sometimes you can't describe the feeling of him. It's undescribable. You know, when I told Ian, when I congratulated him, I was like, like, yo, you, the feeling that you're feeling right now, I can't describe. But just know that you are responsible for this, this human being coming into this world. Try to be nice, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to E. Put through a.

[Mark]

Little pressure on it too.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, for sure.

[Mark]

You're responsible now for this individual.

[Ish]

Individual and their well being for the rest of their lives.

[Flip]

Is there a difference? I don't know. For me, there was. No, there isn't. There's not a difference. When you have a boy and a girl.

[Ish]

I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know.

[Flip]

Meaning when they're born, I wouldn't know. It was for me, my little baby boys, man, as soon as they came out the womb, when the princess came out, man, it was just, oh, my daughter. You know what I mean? You know, so I'm sure. Yeah, man. Shout out to Ian, man, we love you and Jules, for sure. Shout out to Julius, we love you, man. What's poppin, y'? All?

[Mark]

What's good?

[Ish]

What's good? What's good? What's good?

[Flip]

You didn't tell what your week was like. You asked everybody else. How was your week? My week was.

[Ish]

You went to the Adirondacks or something.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah. You went to go get your. To the. To the army base and all that. I went to get my. So yesterday I went to West Point, New York, where I was born, because, you know, you know, trumping these real IDs, I had to get my birth certificate. I lost it a long time ago. So I Went to the town to get it. And I don't know where the fuck I was at. Excuse me. Like, my daughter had to roast me because it said Bagel Grandma in Captain and Pizza. So I said, oh, look, bagel Grandma's pizza. My daughter said, daddy, it's just called Grandma's and they sell bagels and pizza. I said, no, it's Bagel Grandma Pizza. Cause they had it on the left. My daughter checked me.

[Ish]

She right. It was cheeky nugget free fries.

[Flip]

I mean. I mean, it was unique, man. To go there to see where I was born. I drove by the hospital. But I was born. I was born in an army base. Army bride. Oh, so you West Point Flip? Yeah. Nah, nah, that's like the Ivy League.

[Ish]

They got a nice ring to it. That's what I told them. West Point is the other shit. That's fine.

[Flip]

That's what my daughter was saying. My daughter said I learned about West Point in my textbook and she started to talk about generals and stuff. I tuned out. I turned up Drake. So, no, but it felt good to be there with your daughter and show her, like, this is where I was born and everything. Other than that, everything else was. Well, man, everything else was, well, just family time.

[Mark]

I don't believe that you were listening to Drake either. I think you turned up Papa Roach and.

[Flip]

No, nah, I lived with Queensland little.

[Mark]

Sabrina Carpenter or some shit.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I listen to Drake, but yeah, it's just taking your children there, man.

[Ish]

It's fine.

[Flip]

That's why I feel lame though, being born up there.

[Mark]

Yo, why?

[Flip]

Little town, like took a little cool off. Yeah, I be talking bag like Queens.

[Mark]

Flip from upstate too.

[Flip]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mark]

Oh, West Point's finest. Yeah, West Point flip.

[Flip]

Shout out to West Point. Shout out to everybody up there. High falls and stuff like that. But yeah, that's what I did. Oh, your man. You got your paper, right?

[Ish]

What paper?

[Flip]

For Invest Fest. You cleared up. I seen your name on flyer. So you cleared all that up, right?

[Ish]

Some things have been working.

[Flip]

Things been worked out. Yeah, Corey made the call.

[Ish]

So you officially, officially call. You're officially going to be there? Yeah, I'll be there.

[Flip]

I was going. Let's go. Yo, Corey made the call, bro.

[Ish]

Yeah, he took care of you.

[Flip]

Corey did it. Yo, get. Yo, Zeluma. Yo, you need that? The 20? You going to 20 or. Nah, you cancel them out. Got him.

[Ish]

No doubt.

[Flip]

There you go.

[Mark]

Damn.

[Ish]

Gotta cash him out on 20.

[Mark]

That didn't seem earnest.

[Ish]

Nah, nah, it's your stand up dude, though, he gonna send the 20.

[Flip]

Yeah. That's crazy. Where do you guys want to go? Where we going? What's on the.

[Ish]

What do you mean, where you want to go? Where the rest of America went for the last twice this week.

[Flip]

You ain't say that to Joe. Check. Check me. Go ahead, check me. You talking illnesses. I like that. Your ball's hanging. Yeah. Your nuts is dragged.

[Ish]

I really don't.

[Flip]

Your nuts is drag. I. Where you want to go? I stole his exact line. Knowing that you'll say that when it come to me. Go ahead. Just check me out. Yes, Father.

[Ish]

We only really have one place to go. Is Chris Brown that's the only place to go?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Mark]

Okay, okay.

[Ish]

You disagree?

[Mark]

Who all went to the show?

[Flip]

I mean, only one of us.

[Ish]

I wasn't missing it.

[Flip]

I.

[Ish]

Only you. God damn.

[Flip]

I know. Joe went, right? But you went. He ain't here.

[Ish]

But yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm gonna make this really easy. I don't want to hear nobody's name with his anymore. Like, I'm done.

[Flip]

Nobody.

[Ish]

Nobody currently. Yeah, yeah. Stop. Just leave it alone. Leave it alone. Only two mentioned it. No, he has. He is clearly in a class by himself.

[Melissa]

So where'd you go see him?

[Ish]

Where was MetLife?

[Melissa]

MetLife.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ish]

With night two, MetLife, it was storming, pouring like. Like no thunderstorm pouring down. Which worked in our favor because dealing with women, you run late all the time.

[Flip]

Ah.

[Ish]

So we running late. And I'm telling her. I'm like, yo, it's lightning. I know the rules at MetLife. As long as it's lightning. They can't. They gotta clear everybody out. Any open stadiums, if it's lightning, they'll stop a football game. They'll stop anything for lightning.

[Flip]

True.

[Ish]

We park the second we park. We got the Amber Alert shit on the phone. All MetLife guests, it is now safe to return to the venue. Made it Ms. Bryson, because there was a big mix up with security on the floor. Like, they closed the gates down. People tried to rush the gates. They had about 500 people standing online to get your floor wristbands.

[Mark]

Shit.

[Ish]

But again, because the show was delayed, the second doors opened, they had him ready to go. So we missed him. She watched Summer. I'm not really the biggest Summer fan. So cool. That wasn't for me. But when he hit that stage, he went on stage at 9:30, roughly.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Ish]

It was after midnight when we walked out.

[Mark]

Oh, damn, dog.

[Ish]

He did about 50 between 53 and 55 records.

[Flip]

Holy shit.

[Ish]

And they said the first night it Was more.

[Mark]

Damn.

[Ish]

He did about between somewhere. I saw the set list he added. He made some additions, and he could have stepped.

[Flip]

He could have kept going.

[Ish]

Oh, no. So he do little outfit changes and shit, right? And he has the DJ come out and perform. The DJ goes, hey, I'm gonna play the records that he not gonna do, so we gonna turn up here. And he went on a whole set of records that he could have performed, brought Tyga out.

[Mark]

Okay, that's dope.

[Ish]

Very dope. Very dope. Very dope. He hooked up the harness and shot up in the air like out of a cannon. It looked like about 60, 70ft in the air.

[Flip]

I saw that online, too.

[Ish]

Literally flew around the ring, the nosebleeds. He was in front of the people in the nosebleed singing to them.

[Mark]

Wow.

[Ish]

While flipping on the harness live mic. Everybody gonna get their money's worth.

[Flip]

Oh, no.

[Ish]

Everybody got their money's worth. Everybody in there got. I don't care where you sat. You like. We didn't sit down the entire show. And again, it's after midnight. And I'm like, yo, this nigga's. I saw a TikTok going around where the girl left the. She left the spot early. She was like, yo, I got kids. This won't stop singing enough. This girl was like, yo, dog, dog, what are we doing? You killing me. Yeah. I said, it's too much like. My girl was like, okay. I understand that now easily, performance wise. One of the best shows I've ever been to in my life. And you've been to a lot. I go to a lot of shows. You go to a lot of shows.

[Melissa]

Has this been one continuous tour?

[Ish]

Yes, this is.

[Melissa]

When did this start? Because it feels like he's been on tour forever.

[Ish]

Started overseas. It started overseas.

[Flip]

Okay. Was that Breezy Bo, though? Cause he had something before this.

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

1111 joint.

[Ish]

That was. 1111 was last year.

[Flip]

Wow. I felt like that was.

[Melissa]

No, that's what I was asking. Cause it seemed. That's why I said it seems like he's been on tour forever. Because it just seems like he. One connected to the other. Like, he never stops.

[Ish]

No, no, no. He tours each album. So last year was the 11:11 tour. This one being that this is 20 years of his career. First album was 2005. We're in 25. So he's celebrating his entire career. All of the videos they played literally walked you through the career. He jumped around with songs, of course, so, you know, he came out to run it and then did some current stuff. And then back and forth. But all the videos was just walking you through everything he's been through. He had a whole set where all the lights look like police lights and it was flashing. And of course he go through all of that.

[Flip]

The.

[Ish]

The fall he called was just different. Bro.

[Flip]

Bro.

[Ish]

I had. I have not heard. I didn't hear something mediocre yet.

[Mark]

Me either.

[Ish]

Everything I've heard is a 10 or better. Every single person, man, woman, boy or girl, niggas was in the show, hitting my phone like, yo, you bullshitting. Why you not here?

[Mark]

I'm surprised you didn't go.

[Ish]

I ain't with the New Jersey shit. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I wanted to go to London. I wanted to go to overseas, but I'm gonna go to somewhere like Phoenix. I'm gonna go somewhere, yo, Phoenix.

[Flip]

I've never. I was supposed to go to the.

[Ish]

I mean, Denver.

[Flip]

I mean, I was supposed to go to day two. And it's the first time I was like. Regretted not going to a show. Any other time I missed a show. I'm like, all right, whatever. I'm seeing the videos, come across the pictures. Just. It looked like you needed to be there.

[Ish]

Hey, let me tell you, if I wasn't going to be out the country, I would go next week to Connecticut again.

[Flip]

I'm gonna try to go there. What do you think this tells the world now, though, again? Like, you know, because now we know that whatever hidden thing is was. Whatever hidden halo was over Chris Brown when it came to whatever he went through, you know, whatever that was preventing him from going to the next level. What does this say to them? What's the next level?

[Ish]

I don't. Yeah, I'm about to say, yeah.

[Flip]

Winning the awards, going into war show performing.

[Ish]

He knowing the Michael Jackson tribute. If you notice, he's always posting on his stories. I don't give a fuck about that no more. He keeps reminding people, hey, and it was one of the videos he was playing. It was like, yo, everybody, stop answering my phone calls. Like, I couldn't even get niggas on the phone, let alone to try to work with folks. The only way I made it through was my fans was the fans. So everything he's saying is, I only do this for the fans.

[Flip]

I understand.

[Ish]

I don't care about the rest of. That's why he was mad at the awards. Yo, stop even calling me. Y' all call me. Y' all get my fans hyped up. Y' all get everybody hyped up. Then now pull it, pull the rug at the end and say, oh, never mind. Don't call my phone. I'm not doing this for y' all no more. I've accepted what it is. Like everybody say, oh, he was supposed to be the next Mike. Hey, he'll never get there. We already got that. But as his fans, he's giving us something that nobody else is gonna give us. And that's still an argument. Nah, but it's not an argument.

[Flip]

Listen to it. But you said, you said something ill on the side, though.

[Mark]

Oh, my bad.

[Flip]

You said on the side. We need to stop having a conversation about someone being better than the person before them.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Flip]

It's literally just a torch moving past evolution at this point. James to Michael, to Usher, now to Chris. Like, my scariest thought is who is he passing that towards to now when it comes to this level of creativity.

[Ish]

They might not be born yet. I mean, or they might be 12 years old, you know what I'm saying? Like they might be out here 13, 14 years old, dog.

[Flip]

He is.

[Ish]

You know how Jay Z be like, yo, only two people rested in heaven could be mentioned in the same. You can only mention people that are dead with this kid. Kid, not kid with this man. Like, he's different, bro. Three hours, four hours of just non stop bangers don't sit down, dance the whole entire time.

[Mark]

Being on tightropes in the nosebleeds is crazy.

[Ish]

Yo, fam, you're not sitting on a stool. You're not sitting on a stool singing, right?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yo, he's flipping, jumping. When we went to 1111, I was impressed. From what I've seen online, this shit makes 11 11, like this makes every other tour. I haven't missed a Chris Brown tour since 2020.

[Flip]

You know what you just said? He's celebrating 20 years. It don't seem like he's slowing.

[Ish]

Like he seemed like he's ramping up.

[Flip]

Like that is scary. Yo, bro, real scary. You know his itunes is loaded with a 7,000 other records he ain't even released yet. Chris is different, man. I. I don't got no more argument about who, who the top.

[Ish]

Yeah. I just don't like, like after what I've seen and like I said, 20 years non stop. I don't want to hear nobody, nobody. I just don't want to hear. I'm not having a conversation no more. I'm not even. That's what you think? Cool. That's peace. Don't talk to me no more. I'm not even to me it ain't even close. He might not have the one album that somebody has as like the Confessions or the, you know, whatever the Donnell Jones joint, whatever the case may be. But even to what we was talking about off Mike Ice was like, yo, that just goes to the evolution of music. I mean, the evolution of just streaming and all that other shit. You putting out a ton of songs so that you can get your bread back. Whatever the case may be, if he had an album with a concise 12 songs. First off, if he put an album out of 12 songs, his fans gonna write. I'm gonna be the first one. You better not. We was. Hold on one second. We was mad when he first said 11:11 was gonna be 11. 11 songs.

[Flip]

He did.

[Ish]

Everybody. Yo, yo, my. I hear all that. I see what you're trying to do, but that. That lead that for them. We don't want that. He's the one of the only, maybe the only artists, and this has been ever since Heartbreak on a Full Moon that can give you 30, 40 records and still shoot 85. So imagine if he took the 30 to a hot 14, right?

[Flip]

No, I'm just saying.

[Ish]

No, he could give you a potential Confessions. And Confessions is a hard pla. I mean, that is not just a easy feat. I'm just saying if somebody out here could do it, he could do it well.

[Flip]

Shout out shout out to Breezy Shout out to Chris Brown Must see show yeah if you haven't pulled it up, if you haven't go, please go and shout out to Breezy yeah, shout out.

[Mark]

To Breezy that sounds like a great show.

[Flip]

Let's keep it in music, man. Cardi B, she dropped. Yeah, the rims that you heard.

[Mark]

You say it was good.

[Flip]

Keep it bragging about.

[Melissa]

It's like I was doing in like 2016 type.

[Flip]

Like you don't even know the difference between vintage and archive. Like.

[Melissa]

Yeah, look now fit that other pretty Cardi B.

[Flip]

Every song, platinum. I'm not the other. Whatever you was gonna pay her, you gotta double it.

[Melissa]

Glory hole don't know who they with.

[Mark]

Yo, I'm not mad at this.

[Ish]

Yo, she came out. I'm not mad she came out. I didn't. We talked about it before. We didn't know what she was gonna sample. You know, it was gonna be the bead flow. When I first heard the snippet, I wasn't really. I'm like, I. I didn't like the snippet. Hearing a song in totality, how does.

[Flip]

This translate to the audience or to the new audience? Right. To the people that's buying records.

[Ish]

Ain't nobody buying records.

[Flip]

Well, I'm not buying. You know what I'm talking. Just streaming or listening. Approaching. How does this translate? Is this. Is this a great. Is this a good second single?

[Mark]

I don't think. No. No, I don't think so. I think.

[Flip]

What.

[Mark]

It's an interesting choice for a second single. I don't think it'll be a hit. So, yeah, if that was the goal of the second single, then no, but I think it's a good record, which I think she kind of needed.

[Ish]

I think she wanted a record out to get her off on. Yeah, I don't need a hit. I don't need a hit. I don't need something for the clubs right now. I need to. I got some to talk.

[Mark]

The last however many singles from Cardi have been club records or attempts at club records. I like the change of pace here.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Okay. So why she didn't go. I would expect as a second single for her to go, like, pop or, you know, big. Right. With a pop feature or something. Cause it ain't connecting. Say it again. It's not connecting. Yeah.

[Ish]

I think that's what she's not trying to do.

[Flip]

When she popped, Bodak was street. You go back to where you initially popped because you tried all that other stuff before, and it wasn't connecting. So. Hold up. I disagree.

[Ish]

That look like my twin.

[Flip]

Wait, hold on. Why clapping up for Mark? People don't know.

[Ish]

You got a little slight.

[Flip]

Yeah, I mean, why did you know what we talking about? Oh, but. But why you just. Why you limped on camera? Like, was I limping? Yeah.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I'm in a little bit of pain. Got a catheter, too. No.

[Ish]

Y' all twinsies.

[Flip]

You okay? I'm great. I'm great. Just over training, that's all. I'm fine. Oh, okay. Some exercise stuff. That's all. Yeah, I need to worry about.

[Mark]

She getting her off. Yo, that's she.

[Flip]

Yo, can we just be honest, man?

[Mark]

What? Here comes some hate.

[Flip]

Okay, let's go. It's not. It's not hate. It's. I don't like how she sounds like she's reading off of something in the record. I'm not convinced by the flow. Like when we talked about Foxy and the people before rappers, people who can go ahead. Even if you didn't write it, make you believe that they wrote it and got the shit. It don't give me that feel for this. The bars are fire. Bar.

[Ish]

You think that's more accent, though.

[Flip]

I don't want to say it's with accent. Cause she was able to do that with accent on other records. And she not in the pocket, even said, oh. It felt like she was catching. Like, when I heard it, I was like, I love these lyrics. I love the track. But I literally said to myself, it almost felt like she. It's not like she just learnt it last week and went in and recorded it. That's what I get from it. It's a good, good record. The visual is even more fire when you attach it with the record. But I'm not convinced by it. And at this point, it just feel like they just reaching for anything to upstart something for her before the album come out. And I'm just like, I don't think nothing's going to get.

[Ish]

She's saying some.

[Flip]

She's saying some fire shit.

[Mark]

For the most part.

[Flip]

You know, it's funny. It sounds better on these speakers than it did in my house.

[Melissa]

Winner is Minx Out. I buy grown man watches that make them say links out.

[Ish]

That's hard, nigga.

[Mark]

This is tough, yo.

[Ish]

Yo. That's hard. That first.

[Flip]

She killing it.

[Ish]

The first verse is fire.

[Flip]

And I'm a huge Cardi fan. I just. I love y'. All.

[Ish]

So it's the delivery. What is it for y'?

[Flip]

All? It's the delivery. And listen, I'm nitpicking. I'm nitpicking just my ear to nitpick for stuff like that. So maybe this is just the personal thing. The truth is you're gonna nitpick if you can. If. If it's come from what Jay did and what she's doing. I'm never paying it to Jay. Yeah, you know, I'm never. It's not about comparing to Jay, but she had the same cadence and the same flow. Right? She emulated.

[Mark]

I think subconsciously you're gonna.

[Flip]

Thank you. Like, subconsciously you're going to compare it. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

No, to me, I think the accent is a little. You know what I'm saying? Like her, you know, you have a problem with the way she enunciates, you know what I mean? But she's saying some shit.

[Flip]

I like it.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Flip]

I don't. You're used to those accents, huh? $40. What do you think?

[Ish]

Shorty sound like that with a $40? How you think how accent sound, huh? With the $40? Hill Hills cardi don't got no 40.

[Flip]

I'm not saying not at all.

[Ish]

$4,000. I said shorty with a 40s.

[Flip]

Anyway, I don't want to be too critical, but like Mark, I. I just. I'm not convinced by the delivery of it. But is it a bad record? No, it's not a bad record. I think it's fire. The bars are fire.

[Ish]

Glory hole. I don't know who you with.

[Flip]

Come on, bro. Come on. I love the whole song. I love all the lyrics. And like I said, I'm gonna listen to it in the car now. I listened to it first thing this morning when I woke up and I was like, oh, I like this track. But it just. It almost sound like I wish she had just laid the vocals down one more time.

[Ish]

But I get an Accord instead of the Civic.

[Flip]

Sound better.

[Ish]

You know what I mean?

[Flip]

You could have. I'm give it another try. I'm going give it another try before I. But off first, sis. Listen, I'mma support her.

[Mark]

I like this. Me too.

[Ish]

I like that. From first time I heard it, I was like, huh?

[Flip]

Yeah. No, she was talking. She saying, some just be balled up. Y' all hoes look cheap. That don't cost much. I'm a star, but I'll smack you.

[Melissa]

Don't get starstruck. Patience looking at me like Cardi. What the stripe Like Tom Brown. These should calm down.

[Flip]

Quicker they lift up, the quicker they fall down.

[Melissa]

Poor thing critter must be gassing them heavy. Making them jump in the ring with the brim before they ready. I seen whole fan pages make Avatar changes.

[Flip]

All that old love go to new.

[Melissa]

Fan base now you're 15 up. You already out of time. I'm a legend.

[Flip]

They gonna hit my heels from the power lines. That's tough. I can hit a punch.

[Mark]

Yeah, I can hear the punches.

[Flip]

For sure. I hit a punch.

[Mark]

Yeah, you can hear it.

[Ish]

Maybe that's it. Maybe that.

[Flip]

Yeah. And that's. That's.

[Ish]

Yeah, you can't hear the punch.

[Flip]

But for the. But for the regular fan don't give a about that. So for them it's like whatever fire bars and they love.

[Ish]

Yeah. I'm just glad they get a good song. Some of the. Some of the pronunciation is a little.

[Mark]

That's Cardi, though.

[Ish]

I know. But when it's faster, you won't hear it as much.

[Mark]

Fair.

[Ish]

You know what I mean? Like when it. And the bop and the bop and about like you don't hear it as much. She talking slower now. So you hear it.

[Flip]

Yeah, but how do you feel about this mvz?

[Ish]

Ooh, one to ten.

[Melissa]

I think that it's really just. It's a cadence thing. I don't think that we're used to hearing her cadence like this slow. It almost sounds like it's like below. Like, you know, the 1.0, like the speed. It sounds like it's like below that.

[Flip]

Negative a little bit.

[Melissa]

Yeah. Sounds like it's a negative. So that's. I don't know. She's speaking. She spits.

[Flip]

You know what's so crazy? When you spoke just now. Right. I'm maturing in real time. I was gonna be funny and say you chose a side because Offset was up here. I was gonna do that whole little thing. But because you said.

[Ish]

Eh.

[Flip]

He was defending her last time. But I like that. But I wanna respect you.

[Melissa]

Listen, it's not always just a gender thing. It's. Sometimes it's just the side that I think I'm choosing is different. Right side.

[Flip]

Yes, you are.

[Melissa]

And it's not gender specific. But, you know, like I always thought Cardi's back, but.

[Flip]

Power to the people. We back to do maintenance.

[Melissa]

Exactly. Like move me.

[Flip]

There's nothing to theorize behind ho. Clearing a sample for Or.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Flip]

Should we brush past that and just leave it be or. Yes, please.

[Ish]

I think we do. I think. I think those who try to make something out of it. I think that's a reach.

[Flip]

Got it. I think it's an interesting story.

[Ish]

If. If. I'm gonna say if. If he was one that wasn't really clearing samples like that, then.

[Flip]

Yeah. And he does.

[Ish]

But he clears it.

[Flip]

He's been so.

[Ish]

Because he's been clearing samples.

[Flip]

He's clear wacky than this. Yeah. And I'm not calling this wax to be clear. I think this is dope. I'm just saying. No, I. I really like this song. And I really like. I'm a huge Cardi fan. Like I said. I just wish they had laid the vocals down one more time.

[Ish]

You put the ER on it, though.

[Flip]

That's my west coast.

[Ish]

Real quick.

[Flip]

Is there anything else in Music Park? So there's a bunch of.

[Mark]

There's a bunch of drops.

[Flip]

You kidding me? Wait. We just gonna act like Chance didn't come out today?

[Mark]

Yo, Chance Chant is.

[Flip]

It's amazing.

[Mark]

Chance is kind of back.

[Flip]

This is the best comeback album I've heard in a long time. I'm not being funny. This shit is fire. I listen to it all morning. He was with Chance and Denzel. Come on. He brought you to be Denzel. Come on.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Flip]

All right, Mark. We get it. Yo. We like Chance, too. We got you, bro. We got it. If I met Denzel, too, I'll be the stupid. I'm with you.

[Ish]

Hey, I fellow your ass.

[Flip]

You went great. We love the album. What? First of all, I mean. I mean, listen to it a few times today. It's actually why I haven't listened to the Cardi album more.

[Mark]

This right here.

[Flip]

Oh.

[Mark]

This is back to the go with Vic Mensa, who I absolutely dream.

[Ish]

And I know Vic about to go.

[Mark]

You're not crazy.

[Flip]

I stop laughing.

[Ish]

Damn. I'm. I'm just listening to the music. I made a mistake. I lost the home. Not like a mortgage, but more like a foster home. Supposed to be two parents, but now I'm across the globe and screaming across the phone. A dog that just lost his phone. I'm back at the bachelor pad Chicken scratch on the pad I got a fix for an itch and I be scratching it bad in the kitchen flipping the script like a spatula ad Was packing my bags Once I unpack, I'm back in my bag Square one, ground zero, the homeless, hometown hero. I was transient only in a family sense and in the past tense maybe I was absent. I stopped doing acid, But I've been keeping tabs since the London hoes went Acids had the name of my accent. No, I'm not demanding, baby. I was. Your accent used to be called a Saxon. Not because they tax him, baby. It was an accent.

[Mark]

Listen, man, I know a really bad album about loving his wife. I understand that people did not. But at one point. At what? He made a really bad album about loving his wife. It was really bad. It was like his debut album. Like, official album. Well, yeah, but he had a run of classic mixtapes that took mixtape to a level that we haven't seen as far as winning a Grammy and being Billboard place and all this. He was at one point gonna be the next guy in. A lot of people's eyes disappeared and fell off the face of earth. But this album is really fucking good.

[Flip]

It's really. It's one of my favorite. It's definitely my favorite option. I'm not saying it's the best for y'. All. Jump on me. But it's absolutely my favorite. I need to listen to it more. But the. There's a few things I love about it. First of all, it's. There's. There's some chance as a reader, and he's thoughtful, and so the song titles are, like, really interesting and complex. It's called Starline, which is after the black Star Line, Marcus Garvey. He got songs called the negro problem, Drapetomania, which was something used against slaves back in the day as a psychological condition. But it's not a nerdy album. I mean, songs like gun in your purse are fire. Wayne is on here. Young thug is on here. The features are great. The music, if you like the chants that you liked when you listening to, like, acid rap and Coloring book. Coloring book and all that. Coloring book. There's coloring books moments on here, especially the second half of the album. Like, he's written a letter to the church that is just crazy. It's called the letter. It's amazing. There's some regular, like, just club on there, and then there's some, like, conscious on there. It's like, a good mix of stuff. The features are great. Yeah, electronica's back on there. Who else is on there? Lil Wayne is on there. Yeah, it's. It's a great album. It's one of the albums I've been most excited about. And I wasn't. To be honest, I wasn't sure how I was gonna feel about it because of the last album, which. Which I didn't hate the way everybody else did, but I didn't. Was good. I didn't think it was good, but some people were, like, angry. I was.

[Mark]

I was one of those.

[Flip]

Okay. You said you think this is one of the best albums of. Of this year. Oh, it's definitely one of the best albums.

[Ish]

It's his favorite.

[Flip]

It's my favorite for sure. But I. Before I need to hear it for a while. I don't like to jump to. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

Like, I. I heard Prisoner of the moment type stuff.

[Flip]

Yeah. I had heard Gibbs for a while when I said, like, it's. It's up. Whereas this I'm just hearing today. So I don't want to say that, but it's. I. I don't. I don't see how somebody wouldn't like this album. If you like Chance, you'll love this album.

[Ish]

Well, that song right there will make me. Definitely. Yeah. I'm gonna check it out for more for that one off of that one song. I had no intention. I want to play on this album. And you ain't even let Vic rock.

[Mark]

He went crazy this week.

[Ish]

I know.

[Flip]

It's one of my favorite victims.

[Ish]

I know he's gonna go nuts. No, I. With him. I know he gonna.

[Flip]

Did y' all see Chance. Chance stance on his relationship with Kanye? No.

[Ish]

What'd he say?

[Flip]

Pretty much. He hasn't spoken to him in a while. But, you know, they. They've. They've separated. He's busy, I'm busy. But at some point, you know, maybe there's a world where they connect to.

[Melissa]

Something, but that sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

[Flip]

I don't want to be messy and.

[Ish]

I don't want no clips. That's my stand out of it.

[Melissa]

Asked a direct question. So what's up with you and Kanye? Oh, you know, we're.

[Ish]

Look, he busy, I'm busy, everybody's busy.

[Melissa]

Exactly.

[Flip]

Get that man. Glasses got on some.

[Ish]

Wish him well. Politically correct sentences. That's funny.

[Flip]

Any more music?

[Mark]

Juicy J dropped a jazz album. That was. I only listened to a couple records off it. It's like. It's a jazz instrumental jazz album with her name is Andea Owens.

[Flip]

Did he rap on it?

[Mark]

There's some records with him rapping on.

[Melissa]

It, but what's the rest of it?

[Mark]

Jazz music?

[Ish]

Jazz instrumental only.

[Flip]

Finally, I've been sitting there saying, when is Juicy J gonna drop a jazz?

[Melissa]

And I want to see how receptive people are to this. Gave Andre 3,000.

[Mark]

Well, the difference is it's actually really good.

[Flip]

Good musically.

[Melissa]

From the flute album.

[Ish]

No Food album was cool.

[Mark]

I like the flute album, but this is actually like. These are. I don't know who is. These are musicians, okay. That know how to play their instrument.

[Flip]

Oh, God.

[Mark]

It's a little different. The wildest jabs off, like, this is good music. This is just the intro.

[Flip]

Like more better blues.

[Mark]

Shout out to Juicy J. I haven't listened to the whole thing, so I don't have an in depth review, but from the four or five songs I did hear on it, it's dope. He's got a record with black thought that's super dope. Please stop the violence in hip hop.

[Ish]

It is.

[Mark]

Is a. From what I heard, is very good. And I can't believe he put out another album. He had an album like two weeks ago.

[Ish]

Didn't he just drop an album two weeks ago?

[Mark]

But that's a rap.

[Flip]

Rap.

[Mark]

Rapping album.

[Flip]

This is.

[Mark]

He's. There's not much rapping on it from what I have heard, so.

[Flip]

And by the way, I actually listened to the title ep. It's good. I told the four songs. Yeah, it's good. You did say that I hadn't heard it yet. And people. Because you hear 4,000 sales and then people.

[Ish]

So what?

[Melissa]

No, they weren't saying that it was bad music. They were just saying that people are just off her because of you know, the comments.

[Flip]

I'm not convinced of that either, by the way. I'm not convinced of that.

[Ish]

I think they did a shitty job. I think that they thought the success of the water.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Was going to carry them. And so they ain't necessarily put as much behind it because nobody knew. I didn't see anything coming out.

[Mark]

I didn't see no interviews. Nothing. No single, no video, no nothing went viral.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Mark]

But I don't think it's necessarily. It might be partially a result of her attitudes and the. That she said. But I don't.

[Ish]

Or they're trying to protect her from it happening again.

[Mark]

It could be that.

[Ish]

I don't want you to sit with no interviews because they're probably going to try to trip you up. We're gonna probably keep trying to address this. We wanna get this behind us. Let's just put this shit out and let's try to steer the conversation over here.

[Flip]

Even though we forgive, black people ain't gonna forget. Meaning, like, it's best to address it. I feel like it should be addressed properly, accordingly.

[Ish]

She addressed it wrong the first time.

[Flip]

She should know we got it correctly. I don't believe that either.

[Ish]

I don't believe that either.

[Flip]

Cause when Doja Cat did that bullshit and everybody was calling her out for the bullshit, she just came with more hits. And everyone fucking forgot. Kanye told nigga slavery was a choice. Like, I don't. I just think at the end of.

[Ish]

The day, Kanye also had.

[Flip]

He put out slaps.

[Ish]

I think Kanye also had about 15 years of equity with his fans to be able to say some bullshit. And they'll turn the other way's a new act.

[Flip]

Okay, so what's those? I'm just saying I don't think you. I think you can get past saying some bullshit if they fuck with you.

[Ish]

And Kanye's from America and said that. You know what I'm saying? He was born here. Kanye's mother and father are who they are. Historically, he has more context than this girl that's from another country.

[Melissa]

Did I miss something? What did she say that had everybody's panties in a bunch?

[Ish]

I think she said something.

[Melissa]

I know that she. She made a reference to black people. She referred to them as colored, but she's also South African, where that's like, I understand. I get the loss in translation. And, you know, maybe people thinking that it was a misstep or, you know, a faux pas of hers to say it, but it's just like, if that's.

[Flip]

Well, then she said She. I wanna make sure I say it right. I think it was her not using the word. It was about how she self identified.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Flip]

It wasn't just that she used the word colored. It was like, how do you. You call yourself? And if I remember correctly, she wasn't identifying as black per se. And people thought that that was her saying, I don't fuck with blackness or black people, as opposed to her saying, there are different racial categories. I wanna pull it up somewhere, but.

[Ish]

In South America, South Africa, I mean, pardon me, South Africa, there were distinctions between. And colored was one of the identifiers in South Africa. So if that's how she grew up and that's saying, yo, I identify as colored because for the last 20 years or 19 years, that's how I've been described, I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. It's like when Mel talks about Canada and how people identify in Canada, they don't necessarily say, I'm black or I'm white. They'll say, yo, I'm Norwegian or I'm Jamaican or Trinidadian. You go to where your country family origin is from, and that's how you identify it.

[Flip]

Makes sense. She called herself a colored South African. It's not that she doesn't say black, but the identity she was using at the time was colored South African. And then it sparked a controversy.

[Melissa]

And in South Africa, they don't refer to. To people as black. If I'm not mistaken, they don't use. That's not the terminology.

[Ish]

I don't think so, man.

[Flip]

The problem is she ain't got no slaps, man. That's all it is. And niggas will forget all that bullshit. Like I said, when Doja said all her stupid shit, she came out with another war. She came out with slaps. I think after that, everybody shortly forgot about it.

[Melissa]

I think after that, people just didn't fuck with her. Like, when it came to her being on stage, there was like an award, something like that. She was. She was a hold this while I.

[Ish]

Talk kind of thing.

[Melissa]

People were like, oh, you're making so and so. Hold your fucking award. Who do you think think you are? And I was just like, okay, so she's at the point in which she can't win for losing. Like, everything is going to be. Everything she does is going to be dissected. And people are going to highlight the negativity and see it through.

[Ish]

That they'll find negativity. Even if it's not negative, they'll make it negative. When they hate you. You can do no right. I agree. She was on that hated side for a minute. I agree. And like Imani said, slaps. We've seen it with everybody.

[Flip]

Slaps fix all.

[Ish]

That's everything they do.

[Flip]

They fix most things.

[Ish]

A lot of.

[Flip]

I was on vacation, so I didn't. I don't know the answer to this. Did y' all talk about MGK's album last week?

[Melissa]

Who, Machine Gun Kelly?

[Mark]

Yeah, after the intro on today's pod, I guess we could, but I haven't listened to it, so.

[Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Mark]

If you have a deep analysis, by all means.

[Flip]

I have a shallow announce. I wanted to know. He switched up, right? He switched up and went revie Pop. Right. A little bit more. But, I mean, it's still. They're still rapping on this, you know what I mean? The album's called Los Americana. It's worth. It's worth listening to, you know what I mean? It's more alternative than it is, like, hip hop.

[Ish]

I'll find out. Jewels.

[Flip]

Have some plug. You got some.

[Ish]

You got some.

[Flip]

You got some scratch? Well, no, I just knew we were gonna be talking about music today, and I like to prepare for it.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, dog. Around K Verdians listening to mgk, yo.

[Flip]

What the. What? I'm just naming the albums that came out this week that we might have had a dialogue going. That's it.

[Ish]

I know some nice ones that was up there that weekend.

[Flip]

I didn't see anybody but my wife.

[Ish]

I know.

[Flip]

Yo, Tony Bennett's Greatest Hits. Tony Bennett Greatest Hits just dropped.

[Mark]

He good salute to mgk. It might be good.

[Flip]

I don't know.

[Mark]

I have to listen to it.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's worth listening to. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Mark]

Interesting.

[Flip]

No, I ain't getting no payola. I'm happy to. No, I'm not fucking. If anybody has me payola, please take. Text me, email me DM me something. Oh, man, William, that's. That's in the music.

[Mark]

Yeah. I mean, as far as, like, major. Major releases, yeah.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Mark]

As far as major releases, I would say so, yeah. I mean, in music. I don't know if you guys want to tackle some of this Drake lawsuit.

[Flip]

It's a nat some nasty paragraphs in there. There really is nasty.

[Mark]

There really is.

[Ish]

I don't. I don't know how to defend this anymore. I'm not gonna hold you like I. I was with the people. That was just like. Well, they called you him that word, and he's going scorched earth.

[Mark]

Do we have the the actual.

[Flip]

Well, yeah, there's. There's a piece here that I'm reading certain requests within the suit that Drake is asking for. From January 1, 2014, to the present, all documents and communications relating to allegations of domestic violence, violence against women, and or other other forms of violence committed by Kendrick Lamar Duckworth. That's document request number 50. Document request number 51 is from January 2019 to the present, all documents and communications relating to David Isaac Freely, AKA Dave Free, and his relationship with Kendrick Lamar Duckworth and Kendrick Lamar Duckworth's children. And then document request number 52 is all documents and communications relating to the rap feud from August 1, 2023 to the present. These are all requests that are being made. That's.

[Mark]

I don't understand. It's nasty, and I don't understand what that has to do with whether UMG was boosting not like us.

[Ish]

What. What I think. I think it's two. Two fold. One, he's trying to prove that y' all boosted lies, right?

[Mark]

Okay.

[Ish]

So now I'm gonna prove what I said was the truth.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Ish]

So I'm looking for. I'm look. Because, again, part of what he's also trying to do, and I think this is, like, the second level of his beef, is I still want to expose dude as. Remember, Joe read a message before where he was like, I'm going to show you he's not who y' all think he is.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Ish]

So I think that's still part of it.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I think he having two fights. Yeah, I think he fighting Kendrick still, and I think he fighting umg, and I think they two separate fights, they just intertwined.

[Mark]

It sounds like he's trying to legally expose rap genius.

[Ish]

Yes. Yeah.

[Flip]

Kendrick. Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, yo, yeah, I'mma expose you for whatever that I heard was true. Now I'mma make y' all prove it's true.

[Flip]

Hip hop was built off lies, too, man. Yeah, like, come on. It's too much. I. I don't. I don't even think that they're gonna even submit that information to him.

[Ish]

You know, start playing with somebody's family and their kids and all that.

[Flip]

But, well, Lucian Grange has some to say.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah?

[Flip]

Yeah, he has some thoughts. Did he put in a declaration?

[Mark]

No.

[Flip]

Out of here. Out of here. It's not lengthy, but we can get to it. Can you see, nigga? Like, zoom in, Mel.

[Ish]

Give them out where your readers are.

[Flip]

I need to zoom in.

[Ish]

Here we go.

[Flip]

I'm the chairman and CEO of Universal Music Group, which is indirect parent corporation of Defendant UMG Recordings, Inc. Plaintiff, Aubrey Drake Graham claims that I was behind a scheme to devalue his brand through the release and promotion of the Kendrick Lamar recording Not Like Us, an allegation that makes no sense due to the fact that the company I run, Universal Music Group, has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in Drake, including long standing and critical financial support for his recording career, the purchase and ownership of the bulk of his recording catalog, and the purchase of his music publishing rights. It also makes no sense whatsoever as I run into a publicly traded, multi billion dollar multinational corporation who. Whose operations in over 60 countries covering nearly 200 markets immediately report up to me. That's in short. And pretty much he's saying no. Yeah.

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

He says yeah. It makes no financial or sense, period.

[Melissa]

You're reaching.

[Flip]

Yeah. Yo, I don't like the way you read. Yo, get your glasses, bro. I didn't like that. I don't like the way you read the last line. Don't read like that again. And let me see if we do better. Don't read like that again. What's the last line? Now? Is this an eye test or a reading test? It's a reading at this point. Which one? What's the last line? Read the recorded catalog and the purchase of his music publishing rights. Read the whole shit. Tell that nigga, you big flip from West Point. I read it, man. Cause you can't see.

[Melissa]

Very tiny.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's very tight. Boy, look you got at your home. Put him to Chloe's. What you want to do? And you sat there right there. You sat right there. Let my man do that, huh? I think he was. I didn't think he was going to you the post. I thought you was going to let it happen. I didn't think he was going to let it happen. Oh, that sound crazy. No, you sounded fine at all. You did just what I expected. Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Flip]

Imani, stop playing. Yo. I told y', all, you can't do that. Stop playing, yo. Yo, that's a charge, yo. Yo, that su it so that. Yo, you was watching Daredevil or something. Yo, yo, you just.

[Ish]

Yo, you just had to get up with your first day.

[Flip]

She got and walked around you such a. That's why. I didn't mean to do that. That would beat the shit out. I didn't mean to do that. She would never get a tissue for you, nigga. Oh, she didn't even call you about the capital.

[Mark]

I was just about to go to Mark for his opinion on this whole thing, but my bad is yo right Now.

[Ish]

No, you good.

[Flip]

Mark, you open too, over there. You should. You should stop throwing aggressive. You're so angry.

[Mark]

Yeah, you got to go to class.

[Melissa]

Next time you read, you got. I got them here.

[Flip]

All right. Okay, I appreciate that. Okay. Yo, wait, hold on. First of all. Okay, do we need to have an intervention yet?

[Mark]

He's lashing out.

[Flip]

You came on the main part. You doing. Are you okay?

[Ish]

Throwing and breaking.

[Flip]

You all right? This hurt.

[Ish]

And he's sitting up high now, so.

[Flip]

Okay. All right, let's.

[Mark]

All right, come on, let's hold it in.

[Ish]

Come on. Let's grow up. Holy.

[Flip]

Mark. You're right, Mark. Yeah. The chair's up, though.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah.

[Flip]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Melissa]

Oh, it's stained.

[Flip]

Yeah, it'll be. Oh, shit.

[Melissa]

These couches need, like, a good once over anyways.

[Ish]

I mean, you had your navy blues.

[Flip]

On the other day. You had navy blue bleach. You had to. You had your Fordham road jeans on there.

[Ish]

But listen back to the subject at hand. I think that. I think he just fighting two fights. I think, one, you embarrassed me nationally, internationally. So now I'm gonna get you back, right? I'm gonna spend any expense I can to personally get you back. And then I think he's fighting a totally separate fight with umg, and I think they just intersect. And I think his goal with Universal is to get my masters. Yeah, I'm gonna sue you to the point where our settlement gonna be my shit. And I was looking at that might be the start of the beef, because I was wondering how. Cause his masters were with Young Money, and Wayne sold Young Money, sold all of their masters to Universal for 100 million. Got you. So now it's like, oh, wait a minute. You sold my shit to them? Like, I might have tried to buy my shit. I could have bought my shit myself. I could have bought my shit. I'd have gave you 150 for my shit.

[Flip]

Let me ask you a question about Drake, because I'm trying to get into the psychology of Drake. You said there's two fights.

[Ish]

This is my opinion.

[Flip]

Yeah, I agree with your assessment. The second fight, I get the first fight against Kendrick. Do you think he's consciously doing that? Do you think he thinks. Do you think he's sitting in his house like, I'm getting back?

[Ish]

Yes, nigga, 1000% my nigga. You broke my. My spirit. You broke my ego. You broke my public image that I had in a worldwide sense.

[Flip]

Well, why. Why we. Why we act like he also doesn't doesn't have the fan base to support that type of thinking. Like, it's not like the whole world is saying you bugging out. A lot of people think that he's still in the right and should like that.

[Ish]

That is true.

[Flip]

So when. So even while you have the other people saying shit, you can block that out by your fans standing by you and say now, fuck that. You were right. Keep killing, keep killing feeling. It's just so not hip hop again. It's not. I have no.

[Mark]

I don't think he cares about that.

[Flip]

This is past hip hop. Yeah. It's hard for me to believe because Drake loves hip hop, I think. And Drake cares so much about legacy and image. Think he care more about hip hop.

[Ish]

Stay right there. Stay where you are, y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Ish]

With my legacy. My legacy by calling me a pedophile to the entire planet Earth.

[Flip]

And.

[Ish]

And it's almost the song is so big that niggas kind of accepted it. The narrative.

[Flip]

Why did I just make another song?

[Ish]

Because when I tried to rap it out, niggas stopped the beef. Said, no, you lost.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Ish]

You lost, nigga.

[Flip]

Do people.

[Ish]

A minor like yo fam, to a nigga with an ego, that shit is something.

[Flip]

Do people remember that? Even in like if you take the Jay and Nas beef, right? And after Nas dropped either, it was kind of solidified. You lost. Jay still dropped some fire bars after that. And it was just no one cared over. Like at this point, the narrative had been forced. The narrative's already formed. That's true. Drake, Jay Z dropped his most fire bars on Blueprint 2. Correct. But you know the difference? No one cared.

[Ish]

You know the difference. What we talking? Jay and Nas, New York. I mean, granted, the rest of the country hurt pre Internet, pre. Right, true. This was performed at the Grammys, won all the awards and the Super Bowl. And my whole argument is y' all artificially inflated that record to even get to that level.

[Flip]

But here's my problem with it. I think that Drake is single handedly trying to change the algorithm. I mean, there's certain principles that you know is conducted in hip hop. Meaning that when there's a battle in Diss Records, you say, you know, Biggie said what he said. You know, you let it lie where it lies. No one. And you, I have to look at how you were raised in order to even understand what's being done. Meaning like people from the hood or from the struggle. Not saying Drake wasn't from that, but. But you grew up different. So you understand that you Value things a little bit different and principles and morals. Even though it's changing now, some people still value that. So if you diss me, I diss you, nigga. I go my way, I see you. We gonna hop you and flip you. We go our way, we try to figure it out. Drake is taking this to court and making it seem like. Which is, I guess he has enough audience to do it. Making it seem like it's cool to do so. Making it seem like if I say something to you, you say something back to me. And even if the inflation is going to happen, you're gonna. You're gonna try any tactic to get your record out there. You're gonna try any tactic to be the winner. That's. That's what it is.

[Ish]

Two things with that. One, we keep saying hip hop, hip hop. This is much bigger than hip hop. This is not. Drake is much bigger than hip hop. So we compare.

[Flip]

Hip hop is still the core, but just for him.

[Ish]

Just give me some second. Yeah, we're comparing Drake to other beefs, to artists that's never gotten to this level. We've never seen a artist reach a quarter of his level reach where Drake is at. So I don't even like the trying to box this as a hip hop thing. My business, my brand is bigger than this at this point. You are not affecting my hip hop side. You are affecting my brand. You are affecting everything. So, yeah, I gotta defend this. I just clean this up. Yo music. Yeah, like dog Nike is pausing on my releases right after this. Like, certain. Like that. That we. Again, this is an international star. You talking about Big. Big wasn't never an international star.

[Flip]

Like fifth. Fifth was big. Fifth suit people. Right? But he's not suing people over hip hop this record.

[Mark]

My problem with this is that.

[Flip]

That's the point.

[Mark]

You started taking it to a messy place and the mess backfired on you. Absolutely horrible.

[Ish]

I know. Y. Y. We make the joke all the time.

[Flip]

But yeah, we know. Yeah, like fifth sue people. Owning fifth sue people. We talking about fifth sue people. Fifth will take you to court. But he's not suing over. Ja rule didn't sue 50 over. And. And, and 50 whatever. 50 did at the time to Ja Rule put Ja Rule on a pause, a permanent pause pause at one point. There's nothing that Ja Rule could do, Kelly. He could have got whoever he want. And. But Ja Rule didn't go take 50 to court. But flip, let me ask you, with everything that Drake potentially gets to gain in this type of a win none of the other people ever had that type of leverage, like, I understand what you're saying. So do you prioritize hip hop in that mode or you do look at that. No, you probably. You do prioritize your business, but what is where it stems from? It becomes tricky to me. Like, if they had. Like, if they made AI stuff or stuff where to sort of add to them calling him a PDF, then I say, no, you need to get sued for that.

[Ish]

That's what he's saying.

[Flip]

That's what he's saying, meaning that, like, I use the word AI meaning videos or trying to do something funny to show. And if it was spread all over the world and if it affected his business. I understand that we just talking about a rap lyric.

[Ish]

Is A.I.

[Flip]

No. You talking about specific.

[Mark]

There's a difference between just a rap bar.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark]

That loosely alluded, really, to your crew being weirdos and you amongst that. And a difference between making some fabricated videos or documents or something.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. Yes. Thank you. I feel like Drake's thing is this is the fight that he's had before. This whole Kendrick thing even started, where he wanted to be in a position of ownership, the Michael level of I own my public, I own my masters, and this is a roadblock to get into that point. So I have to deal with it in this manner, like there's no other way to get to that point.

[Ish]

And I think that, me personally, I think that at some point he thought, I'm larger than life and my ego is the size of the fucking aquarium. And then you come back in there and they like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Chill, fam. You a artist, nigga. You still a artist. We gonna give you 400 million. You thinking on your re up, you might get a billion, you might get whatever. You still an artist. And I think at some point in time, and Joe alluded to this one time, like, you sitting on the other side of the table. And after a while, you still realize you sitting on the other side of that table. You want to be on this side now, what is it gonna take for me to get on this side? And they never gonna let you get on that side. You still work for me. You are artist.

[Mark]

What's interesting to me in this. I don't know if anybody. You probably didn't, but watch the Kelsey's and Taylor Swift podcast.

[Ish]

No. I heard it was amazing.

[Mark]

It was really good.

[Ish]

I heard it was good.

[Mark]

I mean, it was funny. There were some moments where I was like, if we tried to talk about baking bread and liking otter pictures on Instagram. Joe would absolutely rip our fucking faces off. And they could do that.

[Ish]

Which would.

[Flip]

Yeah, funny.

[Mark]

Different. Different cultures, I guess. Anyway, the way that she handled getting her masters back versus what he's doing to get his masters back to me, is very interesting. She talked about essentially kind of winning with kindness. Like, she just had, like, her mom and her people. Go talk to the people that owned her.

[Flip]

I mean, you haven't seen it.

[Mark]

So, I mean, the approaches versus going scorched earth. I'm suing everybody. She just. Just put her head down and worked and came up with creative ways.

[Ish]

How do we know he didn't do that?

[Mark]

He didn't go re. Record a bunch of his albums and go platinum with them again. And he didn't do none of the shit that she's been doing for the past 10 years in order to get her shit.

[Ish]

Did the previous label try to do anything that she felt was trying to stifle her. Yes, I'm sure, because that's Drake's thing. Like, y' all are basically lowering my value by pumping these narratives. And now, especially if we're in re. If we're in negotiations up, dog. Now, we talked about Shannon Sharp, the hundred million dollars. Then XYZ happens. Let's say that conversation was to continue with espn. We all said it. You ain't looking at the hunting no more, right? So it's. It's something like that.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Sports. We're seeing the sports coming up. Coming up right now. Golden State didn't want to re up them. Allegedly, they tried to sit him, you know what I'm saying? Then somebody got hurt in the playoffs. They have no choice but to play him. He kicked ass in the playoffs. And they still not trying to really, you know what I'm saying? So they'll sit you to diminish your value so that you can't go nowhere else and get mad bread. You gotta stay here.

[Flip]

Yo, if he was.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Flip]

But if he was just suing UMG for something else and it was the artist against the machine and he's big enough to represent all the artists that was taken advantage of by the Machine, then I was happy then, like, yeah, Drake. Yeah, Drake. The fact that it's on the back of Kendrick and a Diss record, that's where it becomes a little tricky for me.

[Ish]

Yeah, I stood by him when it was like, yo, he's suing Universal. He not necessarily suing Kendrick. So that was one thing. I think that if you are demanding that they bring somebody's DNA records, that's nasty. I think that's what. It's hard for me. I think it's a little stretch, but.

[Flip]

But.

[Ish]

But again, if I'm trying to prove everything I said was truth. Yeah. I didn't personally go through it. I gotta do that.

[Flip]

But even improving everything is the truth. What is it?

[Melissa]

Yeah, what's the angle?

[Mark]

That's not gonna get you your masters back.

[Flip]

Yeah. It's not gonna get you your master back.

[Mark]

And it's not gonna get you on winning the battle.

[Ish]

Y' all cheating. Y' all cheating. Because one of the things that everybody stood on, the Pusher, was some of that. That Pusha was saying about him personally. And y' all was like, look at this piece of. Pusha exposed him. So if you got your ass whipped like that before, you think that the way I could get my lick back is to do what Pusha did to me, to Kendrick. I think this nigga has been embarrassed on a worldwide level. My nigga. Like, I don't know what that feels like. Cause I've never been like him.

[Flip]

Yeah. But it's pat. We pass that. The embarrassment is over. It's to us.

[Ish]

It's over to us. We didn't feel what he feel. I think that nigga feels like a fucking dodo outside. All right, so. So again, I'm not. I wouldn't do that. I think it's corny to bring somebody's children into any of that shit. I think that's whack. I'm saying, from his perspective, he might be like. I think he's just trying to. I think in closing for me, I think he's just trying to prove motive.

[Flip]

That's what I think.

[Ish]

Yo, everything this nigga said was a lie, right? Y' all pumped it. I said that we on the same label. I. Everything I said is the truth. And I'm trying to prove that it was the truth. And y' all stepped on it.

[Flip]

Yeah. I think it's a legal strategy.

[Ish]

That's what I think.

[Flip]

That's what I was saying from the beginning.

[Mark]

But I think he looks nasty and it makes the. It looks nasty.

[Ish]

I gotta get nasty.

[Mark]

It makes the ass whooping look even more biblically.

[Ish]

We'll never see an ass whooping like this again.

[Flip]

It's been a great talk. Yeah, yeah, we got it. Oh, my. I try. I see. I love these guys.

[Mark]

Hey, yo, Flip.

[Flip]

Yes, sir.

[Mark]

What time is it?

[Flip]

You know what time it is? Do I?

[Ish]

Nope.

[Flip]

It's time for our favorite part of the show, Prize Picks. All right, some of you out there are wondering, what is Prize Picks?

[Mark]

What is it, Joe?

[Flip]

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[Ish]

Thanks, fam. That's a period.

[Flip]

I didn't know it.

[Ish]

How the fuck. Erickson, just leave, yo.

[Flip]

Today's a weird little day, yo.

[Mark]

Yeah, it is. I'm tight.

[Flip]

Who's back?

[Mark]

Julian.

[Ish]

Just be hating on my man E. E is here at like Groundhog's Day. No, I'm hating on you.

[Flip]

I'm hating, I'm hating. Is he talking about he walked out?

[Ish]

Yo, he chucked the deuce. I was like, oh, you gonna get your food or something? No, backpack.

[Flip]

Backpack. Well, he's here a lot, so you know what I mean?

[Ish]

All the time.

[Flip]

They ain't stopping you this time. And he's here on time. Time. He's very punctual, so he deserves a vacation.

[Ish]

Oh, so I'm out then. You second?

[Flip]

Yeah, you second.

[Mark]

No, I'm second. I would be first.

[Ish]

No, in terms one day off I ever had. No, you don't have days off as far as early.

[Flip]

Ice is here the earliest.

[Mark]

Yeah, for sure.

[Flip]

But you've never had a day off, right?

[Mark]

No.

[Flip]

He also doesn't live in Jersey, so I mean, you've had days off kind of.

[Mark]

There was one, actually. There was one at the pre studio.

[Ish]

Yeah, Couple.

[Mark]

I think it was just one. No, I think it was a main.

[Ish]

After your wedding. Yeah, I did the one. What was. Dude named Charles.

[Mark]

No, Casey.

[Ish]

Casey. Got you.

[Mark]

Shout out to Casey.

[Flip]

Shout out to Casey.

[Ish]

Shout out to Parks. Word.

[Mark]

Well, thank you.

[Ish]

Shout to the gang.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, don't hate. Shout out to E. I'm hating.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm still going to hate that.

[Flip]

So what y' all want to talk about? Can't be serious. We already got people acting crazy when it gets a little serious. Look, don't want stuff hitting glasses down. I don't care. I don't like none of that. I want to address something because the Internet's been mad this week.

[Ish]

Oh, God.

[Melissa]

About what now?

[Flip]

About. I think they mad at Joe, not me. About. About the collective reaction. I think they're mostly mad at Joe, but maybe the collective reaction to me mentioning Al Jazeera in Gaza last week. Oh, yeah, your colleague. Yeah. And they were saying, you people don't take anything serious, kind of making it about y'. All. And I think it's a little unfair. And I want to say that I think it's a little unfair. I think part of it is context, you know? Cause people are like, we don't talk about this stuff. I don't come here to talk about global politics. That's not what I came here for. It's not what I took the job for. I think my presence here is helpful.

[Ish]

Yeah. I want to share that money. Night school.

[Flip]

Night school. Every night. But that's what I feel like. People be like, jean, go watch my show. I do it every night. And Al Jazeera season starts in two weeks. You can watch me on Fridays. But I don't. It's.

[Melissa]

It's.

[Flip]

Did you just pluck?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Get you. Yeah. That wasn't plunk boy. Good. Shameless. Every Friday. Let him cook. But the point is, like, I don't want people to think that I'm being silenced up here. Like, I be trying to bring stuff up and y' all be like, don't say that. I've never been edited. I've never been silenced. I never going to say that. Y' all made me say that. They're gonna be like, you know, blink once, right? But like, no, I can talk about this stuff. To me, this isn't the space to talk about it. Because we. These things deserve in depth analysis. They deserve 20 minutes or 30 minutes or 40 minutes and we can't do that up here. That's not what the job is. If I work for espn, they wouldn't expect me to do it because that's not the job. Similarly, if I'm here, that's not the job. Do people personally hit you up? Yeah, some people. Some people, it's just like when I first came here. Like, why would you go there? It's the same kind of thought process.

[Melissa]

It's like, same as the woman.

[Mark]

Oh, them lawyers are back on your ass.

[Melissa]

Still waiting for you to respond as to why the you're here.

[Flip]

Right. And it's like, I'm up here to be part of a great conversation, which we are every week. So I don't. I don't want people to feel like I feel away about that conversation. Would I have preferred if y' all had said, like, sorry to hear that. Rest in peace, move on. Maybe play some Gap Band.

[Melissa]

I'm standing.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. I'm not gonna. But that's a blip. But the actual decision to not talk about it in depth or to not have a reaction in terms of analysis, I'm cool with that. Cause it's a complicated topic, and if people don't have an analysis of it, I don't want. I don't want. And that's the truth. I think the truth is why we don't talk about it. A lot of us have. Well, I have a skew. What's the word? Skew. Is that right?

[Mark]

Word?

[Flip]

I have an ignorance. Ignorant view on things. I don't wanna misspeak. Right. I don't want to say anything that may become insensitive. And a lot of times that happens. So. And we're not really familiar with the topics and stuff like that or what's going on now, maybe we should. Or me. Let me speak for myself. Should read more and understand what's going on. We all should. It's not just you. We all should. Myself included, our eyes and stuff like that. The topics become. Because we see what happens a lot when you touch on these topics. And if you take a stance, we see what happens. We see the outcome. And I just don't want to misspeak. Speak. I don't. Me, I can speak for myself. I don't want to say nothing. I don't want to just.

[Mark]

I keep myself informed about. Not enough to talk about it. Like, I'm. I'm cool.

[Flip]

Because if you don't know what you're talking about or you do, like. And this is the last thing I'll say on this. Madonna did this earlier this week where she made an Instagram post where she was kind of like, I don't want to take sides on this, but kind of like thoughts and prayers and, you know, love to the babies. And she got blasted for that. And I was one of the people that blasted.

[Melissa]

What did she.

[Flip]

She was talking about Gaza. You know, just.

[Melissa]

Okay, yeah.

[Flip]

But my point is, like, sometimes if you don't know anything, you just say, I'm here, basically. Like. Like, I'm rooting for everybody. That can be bad.

[Melissa]

Yes, it can.

[Flip]

You know what I mean? So, like, if you don't know enough to have an opinion on it, we don't have to talk about it. But people may be mad at you because they may feel that. Mark, you.

[Melissa]

No, they're not mad at him.

[Flip]

Wait, hold on. Listen, you've been. I'm gonna get you in a little bit about doing this Mark shit because you checked on him about his back and then check on my man. Listen, the people may say, well, Mark, why don't you teach them? I do every night on night school. YouTube. Yeah. 10pm you get too much money over there. I don't like it. Okay. As opposed to here. This money coming out the fucking faucets here. What are you talking about? You get a lot of. Yo, I mean, I watch Night School. I appreciate it. You get a lot of money over there. I appreciate it. That's all I'm watching, though.

[Ish]

I'm not watching Night Watch. Cameron Hart.

[Flip]

No. I'm watching his day school. I'm only watching my niggas. Look how quiet. Look how quiet our white counterpart gets. You know what I'm saying? This guy has. It's wild. If nobody looked at parks when you said it's. No, but look, why is Itch quiet? Why doesn't. And it's as well versed in these things.

[Ish]

It's not my platform.

[Flip]

Got it? And again, that's not what we do here. And it's okay. Like, I think the worst platforms are platforms that try to do everything. You know what I mean? Like, that's not the job. No, you get tired of that, right? Just everywhere you go, you feel like you have to be the spokesperson for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it become. When. I mean, I'll just hear people like, why don't you talk about black shit more? Cause I'm in Qatar, you know, like, what the fuck? Watch me on Joe Button podcast. Watch me on Night School. And it's the same thing for all of us up here, you know? I think we all have things that.

[Ish]

We might send away.

[Flip]

Nigga, are you going. Are you. Are you going to Gaza? Nah, if I can help it, I can't right now. I don't want to right now. It's not safe. And that while I respect people who are going and doing that work, like I said, every one of my colleagues has been killed.

[Melissa]

Yes. And he has, you know, young children, and he has family.

[Flip]

That's not a choice I can make right now.

[Melissa]

Right. It's not.

[Flip]

Thank you. Thank you, Mel. Yo, let me ask you a question. First of all, thoughts and prayers. You can't just agree. Wait, hold on. Wait, wait. Rest in peace.

[Melissa]

No, Just like you can't agree with me. Otherwise you're a simp and you're pandering, right?

[Flip]

Oh, whoa. Rest in peace to your fallen colleagues and stuff like that. Recipe serious. All jokes aside, we didn't do that last time. Rest in peace. Thoughts and prayers and salute to them. Kill y' all on Patreon now. Go ahead. Go ahead. Melissa. You think you still going on Patreon? See this? After this coffee, you think I'm going let you on Patreon? Do it again. Stop. Flappy. You get the flappy. Okay. I got these. Yo, yo. I heard after I said it.

[Mark]

That sounds crazy.

[Ish]

Withdraw your honor broadcast.

[Flip]

So here's my issue with you today.

[Melissa]

I don't really have a. Glad you said today.

[Flip]

I'm not gonna hyper focus on you.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Flip]

I just noticed that you were concerned about one friend and not the other. Like, I hurt my leg the other day. I fell in the hallway. You walked past me and sat down. You didn't ask me anything. But you asked Mark about his back.

[Melissa]

You're such a liar.

[Flip]

I haven't. Come on, man.

[Melissa]

I did not know you fell in the hallway. That's number one. You made it sound like I just stepped over you in the fucking hallway.

[Flip]

That's how I heard it happen.

[Ish]

I did. I heard he was laid across the.

[Flip]

Hallway and you walked right over Daisy.

[Ish]

Daisy did a little.

[Flip]

That's what I heard. No, no, no.

[Melissa]

It's been an ongoing thing with him. His back has been hurting him for, like, a really long time, and he refuses to do anything about it. I have tried to push him, you know, in the right direction, like, go see my physical therapist.

[Ish]

Yo, how far?

[Flip]

There's another.

[Ish]

It's still too early.

[Flip]

There's another double M. There's another M that's around. I should be pushing him to fix his back. Everybody up here. There's another M. That'll stop that. Everybody. Double M. Double M. Everybody up here has expressed concern about everybody else's well being. It's not that big a deal. I agree with her. Hold on real quick. Ish. I agree with her. We worried about you. I'm good. No, no. And I do take care of my back. I go to acupuncture. I go to chiropractic. You got to stop doing that because you act like you're the superhero of the world. But who's going to save Superman? Every time, outside on the balcony, I pull you to the side. Yo, you died. Yo, what's good? Are you okay? No. All jo the side. No, look, look, Hater. Look the hater.

[Mark]

Who's going to save Superman?

[Flip]

Go ahead. Why are you laughing? Go ahead, nigga.

[Mark]

Don't ever say, who's going to save Superman?

[Flip]

Who is. Is you talking? Just go. Why y' all like this, man? Hey, yo, listen, Robin, nothing serious. Green Arrow, chill the out. Stop.

[Ish]

You call Rob.

[Flip]

I don't care. You can't throw at me. I can stand up. I can stand up. I don't like what you did. All right, blob. I take that. I take that. I take that. But what I'm saying, don't laugh at that. Super. No, I'm laughing at all this stupid that he said. What he said. Let's move on.

[Mark]

Let's move on, please.

[Flip]

Can we talk about the Minnesota Vikings making some history here? What fucking history?

[Ish]

What history? What?

[Flip]

They're adding cheerleaders. Male cheerleaders. Oh, it's a Dworkers. Oh, shit. Didn't see that.

[Ish]

You're calling y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You'D have been genuine in the purple and gold.

[Flip]

I'm a cowboy for real. All right.

[Ish]

You would have had a little Viking suit.

[Flip]

Oh, why you picturing me in a Viking suit? Yo, he is walking around documenting his, too. He's, like, doing, like, a documentary, so.

[Ish]

Folding jeans.

[Flip]

No, I took a page. I took a page. I took a picture in the car with you. You standing by the boy's choir hall. I'm like, what the. Going through his life.

[Mark]

My favorite was having him having the cameraman with the cameraman following the cameraman.

[Flip]

Yeah. Oh, how about it, Documents? Nah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm glad to be where I'm at in life.

[Mark]

Sure.

[Flip]

Let me just say that I'm glad.

[Ish]

You ain't on that escalator walking up there with the 17 cameraman.

[Flip]

Nah, listen, you need the cameraman to.

[Mark]

Follow the cameraman to follow.

[Flip]

I Went back to my old hood. Lived. Went back to my old hood. He was good. Okay. Yeah. Let me just say it was. It was sad, yo. It was sad to see some of these buildings from 1983 still looking and smelling the same, like, just nasty. Just documenting your life and your travels. I've lived in 27 different places in my whole life, so.

[Mark]

Was you working on the biopic?

[Flip]

No. No. And it's kind of scary. I'm like, yo, listen, listen. I checked my text message. I went to the thread with him. I said, what is this doing? Like, why are you. Why you. Why you taking us through your life? What are you preparing us for? Stop doing that, bro. That's why I called you, like, four times the other day. You ain't picked up like that. Yeah. Why are you doing that? Why are you walking us through your life? Right? You young. You ain't going nowhere. Your hood still look like B Street. What are you trying to at least. At least tell us? I know. At least tell us. At least tell us.

[Ish]

Ford Apache.

[Melissa]

You said you're taking a page out of somebody's book.

[Flip]

Cause you do nice documentation of, like, certain areas. So I was like, you know, I want to also tie into my life, but, you know, no joke. But when you deal with a certain thing, you deal with seeing your friends pass. You deal with your own level of coming to your own mortality. You kind of like not saying prep for some of the work, but you want to go ahead and kind of dissect how far along you come. You don't know how much time you do have B. Around. Yeah. So for me, that was.

[Ish]

Father o' Neil was in.

[Flip]

Yo, I'm. You. I'm asking. I'm asking. N. You know what's crazy? I went back there, and they. They closed down. They closed down my first Catholic God. Praise the Lord. They can't hurt you no more.

[Melissa]

That mean he might be on the list? We don't know.

[Flip]

Whoa. We don't know.

[Ish]

That's funny, son.

[Flip]

How many you shot at the. Twice in eight. That's crazy.

[Ish]

That's funny.

[Flip]

Do you feel safer now that it's closed? Like, is the part. Is there, like, a. Mentally, like, do you feel, like, closure? Yeah, closure. That's the word I was looking for. Thank you, man. You prepared. You feel crazy walking around doing a.

[Ish]

Documentary with two cameramen.

[Flip]

I'm looking at this, like. And I zoomed in, too. I see what type of camera he using. Like, he really doing some documentary. You gonna tell. That's. That's a Story to tell. Yeah. No, not. I don't. There's no story to tell with that.

[Ish]

I got the high notes.

[Flip]

You. When they get you going, it is. I. I can't do nothing. So the Minnesota Vikings. Yes.

[Melissa]

All right. I got it. I got it. Minnesota Vikings have. Shut the up. Talk about something. I'm interested in the Minnesota Viking.

[Ish]

You interested in males twerking?

[Melissa]

Wait, what?

[Flip]

Yo, Joe is gonna kill you, lady.

[Melissa]

I'm talking to y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Melissa]

Oh, man, don't worry about me. Okay. The Minnesota Vikings have introduced Blaze Chic and Louis Kahn as male cheerleaders for the 2025, 26 NFL season, sparking a polarizing reaction amongst fans and commentators.

[Ish]

Blaze.

[Melissa]

I can be.

[Flip]

Oh, the names, they do sound like male strippers.

[Mark]

They do a little bit.

[Flip]

Blaze Chic, seem like a married American gladiator. What the fuck is this?

[Ish]

Yo. Louis Khan.

[Melissa]

A little bit.

[Flip]

I think it's interesting, Mel, let me ask you, as a heterosexual woman, does the idea of male cheerleaders appeal at all to you?

[Melissa]

No, not really. And I feel like, can we. Can't we just have. Can we, like, not have anything? Like, just. Can we not have, like, our own spaces where men don't want.

[Flip]

You don't want no traits from this. You don't want no cheerleaders.

[Melissa]

Okay, listen, if they're gonna. Cause they're talking a lot about, you know, inclusion. Inclusion and whatnot in this. I'm just like, okay, so when does that mean that women are going to be quarterbacks?

[Flip]

Man.

[Ish]

The sack record is broke. That first game.

[Melissa]

Or even. Or even wide even. Widely considered for the coaching staff.

[Flip]

That's. That's interesting. That's fair.

[Melissa]

That's. So I'm just. We want to talk about. As it relates to men occupying the spaces that women have primarily occupied. But I'm. I'd like to see that include.

[Ish]

Well, they're working there. They got. They got women referees, which for the. I want to say, last two, three seasons.

[Mark]

Announcers.

[Ish]

Announcers.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Ish]

I noticed that in the new mat, one of the main announcers is a woman.

[Mark]

Really?

[Flip]

Wait, that is Blaze. Let me see. Let me see. It's. Come on, it's a scene.

[Mark]

Why did you search Blaze?

[Flip]

Their algorithms. They show us.

[Ish]

Yo, they said they sell real estate, too.

[Flip]

They show us, bro.

[Ish]

Huh?

[Flip]

Can you show us?

[Ish]

We're live B sheet. This is funny. My. I'm not going to hold you. That's funny.

[Flip]

This. This is. Yo, can we get the camera?

[Ish]

Mel, you good now? You good?

[Flip]

That's Blaze. What about. Just to the audience who can't see this. What's happening?

[Ish]

Eric's saying, put that on.

[Flip]

Yeah. Or describe Blaze Sheik.

[Ish]

Blaze Chic.

[Flip]

Oh, is it. Is it a fem? Is it. Is it a femme? Like a. Like a.

[Melissa]

It's. It appears so.

[Flip]

Okay, Got you.

[Melissa]

From what I just saw.

[Flip]

Okay, I got you.

[Melissa]

You know, I don't want to speak out of turn.

[Flip]

Leave the cheerleaders alone for the. Leave it for the ladies. These, man. Why though?

[Ish]

Why though?

[Flip]

Why not?

[Ish]

Cuz this is equal opportunities.

[Flip]

Equal rights, yo. No, all right, listen.

[Mark]

They do be having male cheerleaders.

[Flip]

Cheerleaders there in high school and stuff.

[Ish]

High school and college.

[Flip]

Yeah. They were the ones who were like, holding. Yeah, but come on, man. Like, like, almost like gymnast almost. What if one of the male ch. Cheer leaders don't. Don't want to lift now? He want to be on top of the pyramid. They want to dance. You say D.

[Mark]

Messi.

[Flip]

Walk. I think that's fine. Look, I. Sport equality. Let me say this personally, I don't think we need any cheerleaders in football. I just don't. I don't think they add that much to the game. You know, watching my ball. Basketball is a little different. There's sports where, like baseball. We don't have cheerleaders. This isn't the. I'm just saying, I don't necessarily think we need cheerleaders in NFL games. That's just my.

[Ish]

We need Cowboys cheerleaders.

[Mark]

Dolphins. Was, too.

[Flip]

And that's what they said about the Lakers. I mean, there are certain teams that are known for that because of the cities they come from. But in general, I don't think we need them. But if you're going to have them. Just as my preference. But if you're going to have them, having men and women do it, I think is. I think it's fine.

[Ish]

I think it's.

[Flip]

I think this is going to be a. I think this is a solution in search of a problem. I think 99% of the time, no dude is going out for the Green Bay Packer cheerleader team anyway. And it's not going to be an issue.

[Mark]

Packer.

[Flip]

All right, yo, Pack her up. That was the alley oop.

[Ish]

I think that it should be equal opportunity like everything else, that people fight for the rights.

[Flip]

It ain't just there.

[Ish]

The Rockettes got men now.

[Flip]

Yeah. And I think that's fine.

[Mark]

The rocks.

[Ish]

I think that's right.

[Flip]

The rocks.

[Ish]

Rockers, yo. I don't think nothing wrong with that.

[Flip]

I just think sometimes when we Talk about opposite sides of the same coin. They don't play out the same. In the same way that some of y' all go to strip clubs all the time, right? And there's.

[Mark]

You don't need inclusion there, Right?

[Flip]

I don't. Not in your club. But I'm saying, like, I don't think male strippers do the same thing for women that women strippers do for men.

[Melissa]

They don't.

[Ish]

Yeah. A lot of the women I know hate male strippers.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. You're wrong. No, they don't. They be blowing them off. Break it down for me. Tell me how I'm wrong. And I'm blowing them off at the party. Dancing bed party.

[Ish]

Right in our hood back in the day. That shit was. What was that? The shit right there on Springfield App Cayenne.

[Flip]

Wait, how you. What lines getting in?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Flip]

Is it cold in there?

[Ish]

I don't know what he's talking about. Yo, dog.

[Flip]

Let him talk.

[Ish]

Y wish. I wish my brother Joe was here, who is not.

[Flip]

Oh, wait, he went too.

[Ish]

Phobia. No, dog, them make hella bread.

[Flip]

Now coming to the stage, they call him.

[Ish]

How much you made on a good swan? I never. Yo, stop.

[Melissa]

Women don't look at strip clubs the same way. They just.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. They don't go to strip clubs.

[Melissa]

Okay, let's use Joe as an example. How often does Joe go to the strip club? Let's just say on average, Joe's two, three times a week.

[Ish]

Joe's different.

[Melissa]

But no, Jermaine literally talked about stripper culture and how. And how frequent and how common it is for men to go to strip clubs to watch women's strip. Women do not think like that today.

[Flip]

Maybe not.

[Melissa]

It's a Vegas event or it's a bachelorette party or it's some other occasion, but trust me, we don't fucking want to go see fucking niggas twerking with a fucking twin sand fucking, you know, song.

[Flip]

Y' all invite them to the bachelorette party and get real frisky with them. I didn't say. Not only that.

[Melissa]

They say that. Women don't.

[Flip]

That's my point, though. Like, we just go on the Tuesday, they put the foreign objects in there. Like, they get crazy at bachelorette party. Mel, you know what I'm talking about.

[Melissa]

Mel, I know.

[Flip]

Not you doing it, but you know what I'm talking about.

[Melissa]

I can't really say. I can't really imagine. Like, what's the last Bachelorette party.

[Flip]

I was at the last one you was at, and the stripper came through. Y' all was going crazy.

[Melissa]

No, a stripper didn't come through.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Melissa]

Any other shit we want?

[Flip]

I think men. That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

I would say so. I'm just saying, like back in the day in our hood, like, that was popular. Today, the women. Going to see the women shit. Women like women.

[Flip]

That's interesting.

[Ish]

Yeah, women like women. Today I'm talking much more about no men strippers today. Yeah.

[Flip]

Y' all do know that there's male strip clubs that don't stay empty, so obviously. Obviously there's women that go.

[Mark]

Probably a lot of dudes too.

[Melissa]

I mean, the strip clubs that I know of usually are gay strip clubs. Those are the ones that are packed and they're packed with men, you know. But the reality of the situation is it. It just.

[Flip]

I. Male strippers tend to be very fluid and so a lot of interesting things happen and.

[Mark]

Interesting, huh?

[Flip]

Yeah, it's what I. Yeah, it interests you? The topic does. Yeah.

[Ish]

Coming to the stage, miss.

[Flip]

He woking slow. You know, I love your live to the stage, boy. If you. Oh. Have you ever dance? Have you ever done that? Yeah, up here. No, no, I mean like in a club. Yeah. Mars 2112 when they was open. Yeah. I've never danced for money. No, I've never danced.

[Ish]

Throw something else at you keep.

[Mark]

You think you'd be good at it.

[Flip]

Oh, it seemed like it could have been on his resume. Have you danced for a woman before? Because he's an entertainer now. It's not a disk. Cuz he's an entertainer. No. Have you danced your clothes slowly and dance for a woman? I've done. I've done that before. Hey, yo, so an.

[Ish]

What song was playing?

[Flip]

Pony.

[Mark]

That's female script song, I'm pretty sure. Oh, man.

[Flip]

Yo, y' all disgusting.

[Ish]

That lip was.

[Flip]

Father.

[Ish]

Father Jackson was happy as hell. I said I'm sorry. That is funny. Yo, no more Father Jackson. That's hilarious.

[Mark]

All right, y' all want to get into this top podcasting list, man?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Let's give a round of applause to.

[Flip]

Joe, man Number four.

[Ish]

No, I'm not saluting, John.

[Flip]

Saluting to us.

[Ish]

We are the podcast too.

[Flip]

Yeah. So what?

[Ish]

So what? That's a thousand. We all want this too. That's a win for everybody.

[Flip]

I ain't say that. When they left me off the in New York Times, we did.

[Ish]

He was in the New York Times.

[Flip]

So, yeah, we were cool with the.

[Ish]

Article that was great.

[Flip]

I wasn't mad at that. Take your ass to the post National Enquirer shoe fly.

[Ish]

Yo, that's hilarious.

[Flip]

Oh, man.

[Ish]

Yo, we.

[Flip]

We.

[Ish]

We did defend you, but you wasn't on the.

[Flip]

No, it's cool. It's cool. But. But it's cool. Hollywood. Hollywood Reporter. Hollywood Reporter put out the most influential. Influential, Most powerful.

[Mark]

Oh, powerful players in podcasts.

[Flip]

Different word.

[Melissa]

Okay, well, it's. Whether they're behind the mic or behind the scenes, these trailblazers are steering the maturing medium through an increasingly crowded landscape and critical transitions to video and AI.

[Ish]

You need to be on Moana Part 4.

[Mark]

Moana.

[Ish]

Moana.

[Melissa]

I'm going for it.

[Flip]

I believe you.

[Melissa]

Okay, so number one is smart list. It's got Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, and Sean Hayes. They started that during the pandemic and ended up with 100 million dollar deal at Sirius XM.

[Mark]

I've never watched.

[Flip]

Sheesh. Damn.

[Mark]

Yeah, I like all of them.

[Melissa]

I listen to it. It's cool.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

The next one is the daily, and it's the New York Times flagship podcast, Newsy pod. Yeah. And then the next one is stuff you should know. It's been around for 17 years.

[Mark]

I know this one a little bit.

[Melissa]

They just. They. They were the senior [e-mail] so it's all the. That you didn't know you wanted to know magazine. And then at number four is the Joe Budden podcast.

[Ish]

That.

[Flip]

It's not the podcast. It ain't the podcast.

[Ish]

It's the podcast, nigga.

[Melissa]

It does say the joke button. Podcast.

[Flip]

Look at that hate. Look at that hate.

[Ish]

Don't say Justin Bateman by himself.

[Flip]

No. What does it say?

[Melissa]

Okay, so it says, a decade after Joe Budden launched his namesake podcast, it remains the most influential in all of hip hop. The rapper turned musical recently revealed that his podcast network is expected to generate more than $20 million in 2025 between subscriptions and ads, making him one of the most successful podcasters in the industry. When he was asked biggest challenge facing podcasting now, he said it's us versus algorithms.

[Mark]

Fair.

[Flip]

Yeah, that is true. It's Indy. Yo, shout out to Joe. Indy. That's Indy, Huh?

[Ish]

Say it again.

[Flip]

Gotta, gotta say that it's Indy. There ain't no serious when nobody come in. Salute.

[Ish]

Salute.

[Flip]

Salute.

[Mark]

Damn, they read the Times article, too.

[Ish]

Yeah, the Patreon leak changed everything.

[Mark]

It really did. I was just talking to my man about that shit the other day.

[Ish]

Nothing was the same.

[Mark]

Talking about just bumping into people and seeing tweets and shit. Like, oh, they read the article. Yeah, they read the article. That should change people's tones, like, overnight.

[Flip]

Boy. Right?

[Melissa]

Joe Rogan is number 17 on this list.

[Flip]

That surprises me.

[Melissa]

So I don't know. I'm trying to figure out if this is, like, in some kind of, like, if it is actually in an order, because it's not saying, like, 1, 2, 3.

[Flip]

It's just, listen.

[Melissa]

But, like, if it was. He's number 17. He's, like, under Call Me Daddy. He's under Mel Robbins. He's under Michelle Obama's new. New podcast.

[Mark]

I mean, in fairness, I haven't seen a whole ton of viral moments from his show in the way that we used to. So, I mean, that's true. There may be some analytics to back.

[Flip]

I mean, but have we seen viral moments from the other ones as well, like that.

[Melissa]

That Michelle Obama's. Yes.

[Flip]

I mean, hers. But, I mean, as far as chasing Bateman, Jo.

[Mark]

That's true.

[Flip]

I don't even think that that matters.

[Melissa]

They're not video. As far as I know. They're not video. They're audio only. Oh, yeah.

[Mark]

They listen off the audio.

[Melissa]

Off the audio.

[Flip]

Sick.

[Melissa]

That is nuts.

[Ish]

Congratulations.

[Flip]

Shout out to everybody. Congratulations. Shout out to Joe. Shout out to us. Salute. Man, we.

[Mark]

We did it.

[Flip]

We did it. It.

[Mark]

Yeah, we did it.

[Melissa]

All right. Something we didn't cover in music was Lil Yachty's got some new music out right now that's getting people a little riled up. A little riled up.

[Mark]

I guess I'll play. I don't really want to, but it. Okay, that's enough. Even before we got to that bar, it was horrible. I don't know what the opposite of a gunshot or air horn is, but I would have hit that fart. Yeah.

[Ish]

Fart fart.

[Mark]

A loud fart.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark]

That's horrible.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Got to read the room. You got to read the country. The room, you got to read. You know what I'm saying? I think it's a little. It's just, like, Politically Incorrect and a.

[Melissa]

Little bit distasteful is more than a little distasteful. Putting my knee in her neck. What the are we doing? What are we talking about here? Am I missing something?

[Ish]

I did see a nigga do some wild shit in one of them videos he had. No. I don't know.

[Flip]

Wait, you did it. You're primarily a uni on the neck. Sounds like I hear you. Your frustration about putting a uni on her neck. And I think. I think much of America. Yeah.

[Melissa]

All of the above. Like, the whole thing is offensive. But I'm like, could we. Could we just address the fact that this is, like, a really horrible thing to say?

[Flip]

Yeah, it is terrible.

[Ish]

It's disgusting. It's terrible. Yeah, it's horrible.

[Flip]

It's terrible.

[Melissa]

And then to use George Floyd as a reference, like, who the fuck raised this kid? That's why, like, I sound like an old lady right now.

[Flip]

I know I do. No, I feel like an old head now. I have a controversial thought, something I said the other day that stuck with me again that I want to pick up on first. George Floyd. Using him in that sentence, to me, is so representative of where we are as a culture. And that's what's frustrating me. When I was younger, it bothered me, but now, as an old person, it makes me sad. It's like, we marched, we bled, we cried, we struggled because a police officer killed George Floyd and because black men and women are getting killed around this country. And to mock it, to me, is distasteful. I think it reminds me of when Lil Wayne had the lyric about Emmett Till.

[Ish]

I was gonna bring that up. And even in that. Not to cut you off.

[Flip]

No, please.

[Ish]

The backlash wasn't immediate.

[Flip]

Right.

[Ish]

It was years later.

[Flip]

Right.

[Ish]

Like, that was Karate Chop remix. And that record line, all that shit rang off.

[Flip]

Right?

[Ish]

It wasn't. The times are different now. So, yeah, now you say something like that, because that's the first thing I heard when I heard this. I'm like, oh, he doing the same shit.

[Flip]

Yeah, you can't do that no more.

[Ish]

Different day and time. Yeah, different day and time. Read the room.

[Flip]

Read the room.

[Melissa]

But I also have some common sense.

[Flip]

That's the part. That's the point for me. It's like, I want us to be at a place as a culture, as a community, as a people where we don't want to do shit like that. I agree. You get what I'm saying? Like. Like, that's all I'm saying. Like, I get. Read the room. It's different time, but also. It's all true, but, like, also, like, I don't want to raise a child. I don't want our community to raise children that mock our fallen ancestors, that mock our elders, that mock people who died for us or who got killed, whose lives were like a ransom for our struggle. Like, for me, that's fucked up. And that's the part that really makes me sad. And what I was saying earlier, you mentioned. I don't know, it was Tuesday. You said something about Cedar Lord's Tucker. And when I look back, I remember in the 90s and even in the early aughts, we used to talk about C. Dolores Tucker and Dionne Ward, like they were hating on hip hop in a bad way.

[Ish]

Right?

[Flip]

They were fucking right. They were 100% right.

[Melissa]

They were.

[Ish]

Yes and no. Yes and no. Yes and no. Because again, yes and no. There is a part of that First Amendment freedom of expression part. That is what hip hop.

[Melissa]

And I think that that was what their point was.

[Flip]

Can y' all inform me what was said as far as back in the day?

[Ish]

C. Delores Tucker, she was. Was she in Congress?

[Flip]

No, she was. What was her official title?

[Ish]

I thought she was in Congress.

[Mark]

She used.

[Ish]

She used. They were like doing congressional hearings and shit to try and get some of the misogyny and some of the vulgarity out of hip hop back in the day.

[Melissa]

Okay, Activist and former secretary of the Commonwealth for Pennsylvania.

[Ish]

Yeah, got you. So all of the rappers and all of them used to be kind of dissing them, like PAC was dissing them. Other rappers used to diss them. I understand now from a parental standpoint that some of these things are horrible. Some of these things should not be said. But from an artistic standpoint, and if that's how we speak in our day to day life and music supposedly mirrors that, our day to day life and our day to day struggle. That's how people speak outside. When I come up to you, what up my. You don't say, yo, don't, don't call me the N word because it's not politically correct.

[Flip]

That's not.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying? So. So some of those things are just reflective. We don't do that in movies. We don't tell the movie people. Y' all don't do these things and don't say these things because. And again, visual art is more powerful than audio.

[Melissa]

No, I do not agree with that at all. I think that the spoken word, when you don't have a visual and you have to use your imagination can be more powerful than the visual because you can just like, just have like, you know, glazed eyeballs.

[Ish]

And that's where your imagination takes you. But somebody else putting it on a screen is where they're like, holds. Scarface the movie did more than Scarface the rapper to me all day.

[Melissa]

What's that?

[Ish]

I said like hov said? And I always say, hold bar for everything. Scarface the movie did more than Scarface the rapper to me.

[Mark]

That Scarface interview, by the way, was absolutely fire I don't know if y' all watched that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Give an example.

[Melissa]

I was gonna give the example of, like, you know, if I say, who's the voice of God? I feel like the whole room will know who I'm talking about.

[Flip]

Morgan Freeman.

[Melissa]

Right, Exactly. Every. Everybody knows that. Like, when you. I feel like. I just think that when you get into people's heads through your voice, then they start to do narration using your voice. I think that that is, like, an incredible place of power.

[Ish]

Great point, but that came from a movie. Morgan Freeman. That came from movies. That came from a movie.

[Melissa]

Okay, so just using him as an example. But I Googled. When I googled C. Dolores Tucker, this post came up on Instagram, said, C. Deloris Tucker told us in the 90s that we. We would be exactly where we are today. Rap music has done a number on the black community, just like she said it would. I can only imagine how much more real progress the black community would have made had we listened to her and how much safer and healthier our communities would be. Goes on to say, you know, she made a quote. You can't listen to all that language and filth without it affecting you.

[Ish]

So about crack, like, what the fuck?

[Flip]

Who wrote that?

[Ish]

When that happens, apparently that's.

[Flip]

I agree with. Here's where I would have a departure from her first, a couple things, right? One, there's the First Amendment question. Yeah. People should have a right to say what they want. This is. For me, this isn't a legal question. People should have a right. As I said, I want people to want different choices. I don't want to restrict people's choices. I just want people to want different choices.

[Ish]

Shouldn't want to say it.

[Flip]

You shouldn't want to say that. I remember when Dionne Warwick spent some time with Suge and Snoop. And was it Dre and Snoop? I believe it was Suge and Snoop, but it was definitely. Snoop was there, and she was. Call me a bitch now.

[Ish]

And they wouldn't do it.

[Flip]

They wouldn't do it. Snoop was like, that's the most gangster. She was the biggest gangster in the room that day. Because there's a way that when you're on the record, you can say certain things that you might not say in your personal interactions. Right. Because we've been raised with respect and respect to elders, but Deion still gotta hear them songs, and those nuances and distinctions aren't made on the record. So for me, it's about wanting different things. But then the other piece of this is we do have to make a distinction between sort of the structural shit that happens to us. People aren't selling drugs because they heard a rapper sell drugs.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Flip]

People are jobless. People have had markets closed on them, schools don't open. I mean, there's a million things. If I'm making a list of reasons why people sell drugs, rap wouldn't make the top 20. Wouldn't make the top 20. So we're not gonna blame rappers. Thank you for the conditions. But at the same time, I think the mirror excuse for me always lets us off the hook a little bit for our behavior. Because when you. Mirrors do reflect reality. But when I look in a mirror, most of the. And I see the fucked up shit, I try to fix it. I see my hair is out of place, I brush it. I see some cold in my eye, I wipe it out. Except that one time. Right. There's a way that, like, the mirror's supposed to be a corrective, but a lot of times when we look at hip hop or listen to hip hop, it doesn't necessarily. The music isn't inspiring us to not call women the B word. It's not inspiring us to not shoot each other. And when I'm walking around Philly or New York or New Jersey or whatever, and I'm here watching, just take drill rap, for example. We're killing each other. And the music isn't inspiring us to stop killing each other. Whereas a mirror inspires us to look better and act better. This music's not inspiring that. And that's the thing again, I want us to want something different.

[Melissa]

So it may not be inspiring us to do so, but it's not preventative in any way, shape or form. And also in terms of, like, music may not make you, you know, may not be the reason that you sold. Well, I don't know if that's necessarily true because of years and years and years of glorifying, like drug dealing and the drug business. There are people who grew up listening to it and aspired to actually do that.

[Flip]

I agree with that too. And you said that.

[Ish]

I listened to that.

[Flip]

You said that. What about the jobs that are there that the youngins or the younger people don't wanna take or wanna do? That's where culture is important. But I don't wanna. You making a. You finish it. I don't wanna. Hold on. Yeah. No, no, no. Cause when you say that, the jobs may be there, but the. And some of the people in our culture may not want to take the jobs. Right. They want to follow what they hear or what they see. Right. When you go and see the. If your mom don't have it, she's working a 9 to 5, you see her sweating all day, coming to work, coming late, and you're not able to get the stuff that you want. But you watch Tommy over there, he's getting all the money and he's selling drugs. But I can also be a kid to go get a job at a fast food restaurant. But I want the fast thing because of the culture. So I would follow in Tommy's footstep. Right. So it all coincides. You don't think so? It does, but I. And I think as a young person, I would relate to, say, Jay Z or Nas or whoever, Scarface, whoever, more than I would relate to somebody else. So their stories were more persuasive to me than the bigger culture stories. But, but, but I don't want to act like this stuff is indigenous to hip hop. Everybody in America wants to be rich without working. Everybody in America is overextended. Everybody spends more than they make.

[Ish]

And in every culture on the the planet, the bad boy gets worshiped. I was just talking about how the Italian. They wanted to be mobsters coming up. That's not something that is only. Yeah, like, come on. That's not something that's. That's just.

[Flip]

I hate how hip hop takes the brunt for a lot of.

[Ish]

And be clear, my prior to somebody rapping about these conditions, the conditions had to exist for me to be able to write about. Exactly.

[Mark]

And I was saying when I was in Nashville at the Country Museum or whatever, they had all types of gun glorification, and there's mad country songs about the same kind of that's happened in rap.

[Ish]

So. So my point is. Yo, fam, if these conditions didn't exist, then NWA couldn't have written about them. The conditions had to exist first. Rap didn't create the conditions that some of these conditions created the rap lyrics. People rapped about what they saw, what they were living. And so their story, little kids every single day, whether you white, whether you black, whether you. Whatever. The little boys in the world want to emulate the people that they see get reverence and praise. So if it's a pimp in your neighborhood that gets the reverence and praise, guess what you want to do? You want to be a pimp. If it's a doctor in your neighborhood that gets reverence and praise, you want to grow up to be a doctor or athlete or whatever the case may be. So a lot of these Things are people trying to mimic what they see. They're not mimicking what they hear so much as what they see.

[Mark]

I'm not sure that a song about, well, building is gonna slap that much.

[Flip]

Yeah. Because.

[Ish]

Well, don't get.

[Flip]

No, it's okay to call. It's okay to call this a ignorant. Who says? Some ignorant. Without vilifying hip hop. Like, I think like that. Like, we. You make it more than what. What's needed to be at the moment. There are a lot of moments where, yes, hip hop does influence some ignorant thoughts, but that's not.

[Ish]

This ain't one of them.

[Flip]

No, I don't think hip hop. I don't think hip hop in general mirrors.

[Ish]

And we're choosing that like it's. Rhapsody's out here Famous man. We are choosing some of the other lyrical that.

[Flip]

That chance.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's out here that we can go to, if that's what you want to go to.

[Flip]

But. But if we're talking about systemic. It's not the little yachty and Emmett Till references, George Floyd and Matt Till references, those, I think are outliers, but misogyny, homophobia. That is baked into hip hop because it's baked into American society. No, no, that was. That was baked into just. Just. And it's represented in movies. It's represented in hip hop. It's represented in many other forms, not just hip hop. But here's the difference. I'm just at a stage in life, and I don't. I agree with everything y' all just said. I'm just at a stage in life where I don't want to stay there. Like, I don't care that everybody else does it. I don't care. Cause I only care about the fact that black people are killing each other a whole lot.

[Ish]

True.

[Flip]

And I'm tired of us killing each other. And so if we keep rapping about killing each other, and then I'm watching these kids kill each other, then I watch them rap about having just killed each other. And now, not just fictional shit. They're like, I killed this nigga on.

[Ish]

This corner, 14th Street.

[Flip]

Put him at the.

[Ish]

Stop fighting.

[Flip]

I want us to stop killing each other so I get all of America's vibe. I could watch Tarantino and see the same shit. But the difference is I'm not.

[Ish]

I don't identify with fucking science fiction.

[Flip]

I get it. That's all I'm saying. And the misogyny is the same. And I'm just at a point where I don't want to just keep saying White people do it or America does it, even though it's true. Because we got to be better than that.

[Ish]

True.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I don't want them to be our bar. I'm just saying. But when we look at it, we can't blame some of these things on rap. I think that.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Ish]

Societal conditions existed pre rap.

[Flip]

Yeah, they did.

[Melissa]

Yeah. But Mark's point was, is accurate as to what the current landscape looks like now. You know, it's not exactly like. And I don't want to speak to what happened.

[Ish]

I'm sorry. You know, our chance. Don't rap about killing niggas because of.

[Melissa]

How he was raised.

[Ish]

He grew up in a family with two parents, and Barack Obama knew him when he was a child because he didn't have to kill niggas. He didn't have to kill. He didn't rap about selling drugs because he didn't have to fucking sell none.

[Flip]

Can we also talk about hip hop? The. The. The normal consensus isn't that everybody in hip hop is moving and living like this. Like, for hip hop, it's a way out for a lot of people to get from situations and better their life. That is the majority. There is the small group of people who do live in that type of way. But I feel like we focus. Hyper focus on that so much instead of speaking about the positive part of what hip hop does. That's what I get disappointed about. So, yes, you get these moments. You get those moments where we talk about niggas glorifying. But for the majority of what hip hop has done for the community, it's not that we had that conversation when Umar tried to go ahead and say what he said. No, stop making hip hop seem like it is the reason. Reason for a nation of black people being down in the dumps. For a large part, it's a big part of why come out of the.

[Mark]

And there's a lot. Like the most successful hip hop for the most part is not the super violent, super offensive. You know what I'm saying? Like Drake J. Cole.

[Flip]

Most of the people who live off of that, they're here today and they're going tomorrow.

[Ish]

Jermaine Dupree was just here last week.

[Flip]

Yeah, he was.

[Ish]

He's. I'm sure he close to a B. I don't want to count his pockets. My bad. But he should JD but FAM. At 17, 18, 19, 21 years old, he was employing tens of people, you know what I'm saying? At a young ass age. And I'm sure hip hop has transformed the lives of all of those people that he's touched.

[Flip]

For sure.

[Ish]

Outside of sports fam, it's hard to find a vehicle that has made more successful people on a certain scale than hip hop.

[Flip]

We create.

[Ish]

Yeah, than hip hop. Like so. So I don't. Again, it definitely has its bads, for sure. We all.

[Flip]

Everything has.

[Ish]

Some of our bads are bad, bad, though. You know what I'm saying?

[Flip]

But some of our bad, bad. That's all I'm saying. I just want. I just want better. I just want better fun.

[Ish]

And we don't have to use white people as our bar or our reference. I'm just saying, in society, the bad boy gets worshiped.

[Mark]

Yeah, you're not wrong.

[Flip]

Speaking of getting worse.

[Melissa]

Worse.

[Flip]

Donald Trump is president still. Yeah. He here for your man and he's sending the National Guard to D.C. sent. Sent the National Guard to CC. Hey, for the record, Joe, I didn't put that on the board. I'm just transitioning.

[Mark]

Yeah, man, congratulations.

[Flip]

No. Yes.

[Ish]

You transition.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Happy for you.

[Flip]

I beat that. What's that club you used to go to? To.

[Ish]

Yo, no, Cheeto. T ain't playing with these things, yo.

[Flip]

Yeah, what's. What's the story, though? Somebody had it.

[Ish]

So supposedly he is sending the National Guard into major cities in America, D.C. being the first one to, quote, unquote, clean up the city. So from what I hear, actually we saw clips of them just walking up on kid. Like, people, yo, you guys got your ID on you? Like, it's like stop and frisk to the tenth power, you know what I'm saying?

[Melissa]

Nobody's doing anything. They're literally just existing, just being black and outside.

[Ish]

So if you outside and you smoke, you drinking a beer, you going to jail. Like now, we just finding shit kind of. Back in the day, prior to right after slavery, they was just walking around picking niggas up.

[Flip]

Yeah, Black codes.

[Ish]

Yeah. You spit on the ground, you go into jail, like, certain shit like that. I think they trying to get us to a place where we gonna start repopulating the prisons. That's my personal opinion. I don't wanna make no political stance for us, but I think we headed there.

[Flip]

Well, it's getting wild out there, man. If you in dc, please be careful out there. The curfews are kicking in and they're.

[Melissa]

You know, it's crazy as the CBC's happening, like in a few weeks.

[Flip]

Congressional Black Caucus, y'. All.

[Melissa]

Yeah. So I have have no idea how that's gonna pan out.

[Flip]

Damn.

[Ish]

It's gonna Be better than that Cleveland thing. Yo, the cbc.

[Flip]

No, it's not.

[Melissa]

Let me tell you. Yo, you guys, the NABJ is that. And I got so many calls after that little discussion happened up here about NABJ. Like, they all over. It was like their 50th year. It's like there was so many reasons to. That I wanted to talk about it.

[Ish]

What the NABJ stand for? Blowjob at the Then I'm playing.

[Flip]

I'm playing.

[Ish]

I'm playing.

[Flip]

What the.

[Ish]

It's a joke.

[Flip]

And y' all really be saying I'm the horniest person up your.

[Ish]

No, no, no. That's over. I'm playing.

[Flip]

But, yo, but peace. But you can send a couple of them to the South Bronx, clean that up with the National Guard. I told you I was there this week.

[Ish]

You better stop. Be careful.

[Flip]

You sounded like the Trumper up here. Trumper? Oh, no. But you know, with me, everybody thinks I was pointing to a certain person. I'm not gonna say who it was. Okay to flip. I wasn't. They do think it's you. They thought you was pointing to me. And I wasn't. And you ain't. Make it clear. Or go on the Internet and make it clear. It's a disrespectful. If I say who it wasn't, then it makes. It narrows it down and everything. I can't say who it was. I can't say who it was.

[Mark]

I'm narrowing it down in my little checklist.

[Flip]

But you wrong for that. I didn't say anything.

[Ish]

No, the funny part is somebody tell me.

[Flip]

And you know how passionate.

[Ish]

Somebody thought he had some insider information. That's what nigga voted for.

[Flip]

I knew. They told me. Okay. Hey, yo, listen. Listen to me. I'm gonna text you. You doing that as a trick. It's no trick. You know how passionate I am, especially with that, as with my mom, how she feel about Trump. And you know that. I didn't even vote. You know what I mean? That'll show us. I know. He said, I ain't vote for Trump. Nigga. I didn't vote. I'm just saying, like, Mel, I'm sorry, you can't vote yet.

[Melissa]

I'm working on it.

[Mark]

A checklist is getting.

[Flip]

That's why I don't want you to keep talking about it, because people gonna find out by process of elimination. Got it. I know who it is. Got it.

[Ish]

Ain't nobody in here vote for.

[Flip]

No, I'm telling you, I know it is. I'm not trying. I'M not. It's not a theory. I'm telling you. I know it is. I know.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Flip]

They can hear you. Y' all on microphones.

[Ish]

I don't care. I ain't no goddamn truck stop doing that.

[Flip]

No, you causing a lot of havoc up here. I'm not. We're gonna take you to the office. Stop.

[Ish]

He is the office, okay?

[Flip]

No, he ain't no off. Not my office. Some of that Donald Trump, man. My mother almost killed me. Sent me a long text. I'm like, this Mark. Cause he did that. They pointed out that point he did. I'm like, I wasn't doing a part. You scratching your nose. But the people did that. They read too much into stuff. Hold up. I sit my foot.

[Ish]

I know you ain't pointing on me yet.

[Flip]

This is the right time. Mark's not doing like this.

[Ish]

I don't say no name, but I'll point the elbow.

[Flip]

Yeah, but it's getting nasty and. And, you know, like, it's so nasty.

[Ish]

With that dc that on the White House actual Twitter page, they got these. Excuse me. They have these people mug shots.

[Flip]

I'm worried about.

[Melissa]

Mug shots? For what? What did they do that they pick up?

[Ish]

That they pick up in dc?

[Flip]

That's cool.

[Ish]

One person said, failure to appear for trial on an assault offense.

[Flip]

Imagine the White House doing it on the White House.

[Ish]

Of course, they're all possession of a firearm. Another black person.

[Flip]

Yeah, I just noticed you did something. You. You gonna try to stop using that word or something because you just.

[Ish]

No, I didn't want to call them.

[Flip]

Oh, gotcha.

[Ish]

I'm never gonna stop using an N word. That's not gonna happen. I wasn't calling them.

[Mark]

You think they're just running a play action to divert attention from the Epstein and all that other shit.

[Ish]

You gotta find a diversion, something or Unauthorized use of a vehicle.

[Mark]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

That's. That's. That's crazy. And I know you were joking, Imani, but we don't want to send the National Guard nowhere to. No, no, no. I'm talking shit. I know. I know. But again, I just. I want.

[Melissa]

I know you joking, but DCs filed a lawsuit against him.

[Flip]

Right? And the problem with DC is it. Because it's not a state, it's under federal. It has federal oversight. So stuff becomes federal crimes when they don't have to. If it were in New York or wherever, like, you know, whenever y' all want to clean up crimes, send jobs, send food, send shelter.

[Mark]

Right?

[Ish]

That's how you clean up options, alternatives, and then you'll.

[Flip]

You get a lot less crime.

[Ish]

He mentioned Baltimore and I want to shout out the mayor of Baltimore again who is out there kicking ass. He is down.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And. And is the crime really bad in dc?

[Melissa]

It's not, no.

[Flip]

No. That's what's crazy.

[Melissa]

No, it's not.

[Ish]

Yo, DC used to be horrendous.

[Mark]

I remember back in the day, D.C.

[Ish]

Was bad, bad, bro.

[Flip]

Like we're back with Israel down. Exactly. They chased him out of these.

[Ish]

That used to be bad, bad bro. It's night and day.

[Flip]

He was tied up in the basement night and day.

[Mark]

I've never had no issues when I was out there.

[Ish]

Yeah, is night and day, bro. It's not that.

[Flip]

You be good. Oh yeah. Got the complexion for the protection.

[Ish]

George. Shell flow. But no, I just think it's whack. I think it's a diversion and I don't think. I think it's going to get worse way before it gets better. Thoughts and prayers.

[Flip]

Thoughts and prayers. Season Peace Ayo Ayo freeze. Yo, I think Thug was talking to you. Thug put out a tweet and says, you fucking rat representer. Shut up.

[Mark]

Oh shit. You think that's pretty.

[Flip]

Damn. He was definitely talking to you. Yo, of all the people, you a rap representer?

[Ish]

I didn't think so. Why was he talking to me?

[Flip]

I mean, because you're strong defensive gunna.

[Melissa]

And how unbothered he is because. Cause he's succeeding.

[Flip]

You were the only one that talked about gunna and took the stance you took. That was on the Internet as of recent. Right after that.

[Ish]

Damn 8. Thug. Yeah, I meant all that. Oh shit, yeah, Everything I said. I mean, you can call me a rap representer, but I am listening to some good music and you are not putting out good music. So, hey, what do we do? This is rap. Rap. If you don't wanna rap, that's fine. But we're gonna meet. Me, not them. Yeah, me. Ice. Officially Ice and only Ice and only ice.

[Mark]

I like young Thug.

[Ish]

I like Thug too.

[Flip]

I would love to hear you. I would love to.

[Ish]

Okay, well then I don't.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's over. Yeah, that's fine.

[Ish]

Yeah, Gunna has been delivering great music since he came home. I am appreciative of that. I am a fan of hip hop. I spend my money on this. I went to Gunna shows. I bought Gunna merch. I wish I would have saw that tweet before I came in here. I'd be sitting here with my gunner Shirt on right now. Don't put that.

[Melissa]

She don't agree.

[Flip]

She tried to wake it up now.

[Ish]

I don't really agree with that.

[Melissa]

I don't think you said anything wrong.

[Ish]

I don't either. But I mean, if the shoe fits. You know how people get. He might not have been talking to me, but Flip said he was, so. He was.

[Melissa]

I'm just a girl, though, you know, Like, I don't have a dog in the race.

[Flip]

You don't agree?

[Melissa]

I don't really even understand.

[Flip]

Like, you got principles and morals, right?

[Ish]

Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I don't agree with that.

[Mark]

I'm looking forward to some Young Thug music.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Ish]

I have been looking forward to Young Thug music for a minute now.

[Flip]

But not no more, right? But not no more, right?

[Ish]

I'm still looking forward to it. I don't give a fuck about that. If it's good, it's good.

[Flip]

May soon go to the Young Thug show. Show.

[Ish]

I haven't went to a Young Thug show.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'll go to a young Thug show. I wish I would.

[Ish]

Me too. Has young thug ever headlined a tour?

[Flip]

Oh. Oh.

[Ish]

I'm just curious.

[Flip]

Waking up, has he? I don't know.

[Melissa]

That would normally be a you question.

[Ish]

Word.

[Flip]

Listen, listen. This is all.

[Ish]

I don't know because I would have went.

[Flip]

I would have went. Some of us up here like Thug a lot like you do.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And some of us up here just respects his music and respects his opinion on how he feels within his camp.

[Ish]

All of that's fine. Yeah, he can feel again. I'm just speaking as a fan. I don't know Thug. I don't know Gunna. I know the people that I know in Atlanta. I'm just speaking as a fan and it seemed like I said everybody that has a problem with Gunna who are rappers have been putting out mid since Gunna came home. That's a fact.

[Flip]

You might be putting bad smoke on them. Doug might have not been talking.

[Mark]

Really Put out nothing.

[Flip]

Yeah, Doug, he's been on some verse.

[Ish]

No, no. He got a couple feature verses out there. I didn't hear that one.

[Mark]

I like it.

[Ish]

I didn't hear. I didn't hear the chance album yet. And if it is fire, I will admit it again. I'm not a hater.

[Flip]

Right.

[Ish]

But what I said. Gunna has one of one album. What's the newest album? The newest album is called the last one One. All the songs sound alike. They've been saying that about them for a long time. They were actually playing that. That clip you're talking about where they say all the songs sound alike. They were playing clips from the other albums with this one back and forth like it was a song here, song here, song here. And it's like the same tempo going through, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And it's working.

[Flip]

Okay. All right, all right. Freeze. You put jewelers discount questions on the board? Oh, yeah. Oh, man.

[Ish]

So there was.

[Mark]

Speaking.

[Ish]

Well, it wasn't just Thug. So there was a jeweler. The first video went viral. It was jeweler and lotto. And he said, you know, she was purchasing some jewelry. And he said, I'll give you a discount if you can answer this riddle. Said the 45th and the 47th President of the United States have the same parents. How is that possible?

[Melissa]

Is that a riddle, though?

[Mark]

It's not really much of a riddle.

[Melissa]

It's not a riddle at all. It's literally just a fucking.

[Flip]

Is that right?

[Melissa]

For comfortable. They know the answer.

[Mark]

It's not even a stable fact. It's just a regular fact.

[Flip]

It might be a riddle for some.

[Ish]

And for the little.

[Flip]

Little spat. Spit it. Spit it.

[Ish]

That shit is the Pythagorean theorem. I don't know what you talking about. Cause guess what?

[Flip]

So what? So.

[Ish]

So she couldn't answer it.

[Melissa]

She didn't even give a. Like a.

[Ish]

She just couldn't.

[Melissa]

No answer. Like, not even a wrong one.

[Ish]

I think one should. She said was, are they brothers? Or something like that? And he was siblings. And then the guy said no. So she couldn't answer.

[Melissa]

There's so much wrong with this.

[Ish]

The Internet tore her up. So then. Same jeweler was there with Young Thug. He asked young thug same question. And Thug was trying to talk his way through. Trying to figure out, like. He's like, it don't make sense. It don't make sense how? What do you mean? He's like, the 45th and the 47th president have the same parents.

[Melissa]

Are you Googling it right now?

[Flip]

No, no, no. I know what came for your neck. I was about to tell y'. All. I was about to tell. I was about to say, yo, the chicken tenders and the chicken nuggets come from the same. I got caught with a question like this in the street, but a kid named Dwet TV caught me with a question. He said that your uncle's. Your uncle's sister, who was not your aunt, who is she? And I got stuck.

[Mark]

It's tricky how. I'm joking.

[Flip]

No, I was Stuck Because. And I was like. But I got.

[Ish]

Did you get it right?

[Flip]

No, no.

[Ish]

Chicky.

[Flip]

But he asked me a question, and you know what it is, right?

[Mark]

How did your mom feel about that?

[Flip]

Yeah, Word. What? She said you didn't know melon, though.

[Melissa]

How the didn't I know it was your mother?

[Flip]

Whoa, whoa.

[Mark]

You talking about his mom?

[Melissa]

It's so simple. She's not your aunt. She's your.

[Flip]

Okay, there's another one. Two plus two times two is what?

[Melissa]

Nuh. I'm not a math genius. Sorry, I'm out.

[Flip]

Wait, wait, wait. No. 2 plus 2 times 2 is what? No, it's the math genius part that was throwing me off.

[Melissa]

I'm not.

[Flip]

Okay, I think I seen that one. And people were saying 6. It's not 8. It's 6. It's 6. It's six. Six. Please excuse my aunt. My dad. My dad.

[Ish]

That's what y' all say. You do the. I say, please excuse my daughter.

[Flip]

What?

[Ish]

You do the.

[Flip]

It's the order of operations.

[Ish]

Yeah, you do the Multiplication, parentheses, exponents.

[Melissa]

This is American math. Okay.

[Flip]

No, math is universal math. We got a clip for today. We got a clip for today is American math.

[Ish]

Two plus two is the same in Canada.

[Flip]

Two times two is 17 in Canada. What's the chicken nuggie in Canada? French baguette. I gotta stop that, though.

[Ish]

That's. Look, you just ate 30 chicken nuggets.

[Flip]

No, but it's some kids that. I ordered 30. We went over, there was two left. But people didn't. People talk like that. You got to stop that. It's real.

[Ish]

Stop what?

[Flip]

Stop that voice. What I said, like. You're talking like you can't really pronounce the word. Shy, shaky sh. If Johnny had five apples. Chicken nuggets are good.

[Ish]

You ain't see the. Your dog. You ain't see the meme.

[Flip]

You a see the. Trying to dignify it with. I order Mary Wheat.

[Ish]

You would like to get some of.

[Flip]

So. So go back. So Thug. Thug and Lotto failed. Yeah.

[Ish]

Thug said they were the bushes.

[Melissa]

Damn.

[Ish]

That was his answer. Guy was like, no, not that. And then when they explained it, Donald.

[Flip]

Some of them be caught off guard, yo. You know, they ain't thinking.

[Melissa]

Okay, well, hold on one second here.

[Flip]

We all know.

[Ish]

Hold on it. Thug depends. He was like, oh, yeah, I know that. I just wasn't keeping track of the numbers of the. I didn't know, like, he's number four.

[Mark]

But the bushes wouldn't have been the right answer.

[Flip]

But I can understand. Wait you said the bushes doesn't make. It wouldn't be the right answer. No, because George Herbert Walker Bush is the father. No, no, wait, wait, stop. No, no, no. Pa said something. I was trying to catch parks or something cuz the park said the bush made sense. You said it did not make sense.

[Ish]

No, he said the bushes don't make sense.

[Flip]

I didn't hear you. Okay. Father and son. Yeah, I know. I'm. I'm familiar. I thought you said last year. I thought he said. You thought he said the opposite.

[Ish]

He was going at West Point, bro. And the dad might have worked. I said the bush's father work.

[Flip]

Everybody just calm down. I'll be ready to shoot so much.

[Ish]

What's wrong?

[Flip]

We be together next weekend.

[Mark]

And more serious, serious news, guys.

[Flip]

What is again?

[Mark]

Who ate all the.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Ish]

Imani.

[Flip]

Wait.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Mark]

It's been brought to our attention that the has been eaten up.

[Ish]

Walk up. Walk up.

[Flip]

What is it? I don't know. Crunchy munch right there. Can you tell me what this means? No, I cannot.

[Ish]

Come on, break it down, man. You don't know about eating all the.

[Flip]

You're the munch.

[Mark]

Willow Smith posted on Instagram the other day who ate all the. With a selfie of her crying.

[Flip]

Just look at his face real quick.

[Ish]

He got that face too.

[Flip]

He got the munch face. Look at this. He motivated. No.

[Ish]

You got quiet though.

[Flip]

His a Pokemon Li Po at once. Li. Yeah, yeah, he can eat five at once. That's his name.

[Ish]

Oh, man.

[Flip]

Willow Smith. Yeah. Willow Smith had. Had, had a question. Yo do. So she posted because I don't. I don't know the story at all. With a picture of herself crying, crying, crying. Okay.

[Ish]

Is she saying she can't find. No. Like, I'm confused.

[Melissa]

I didn't even know she.

[Flip]

Oh, now we knew. You know, she what, Ma'? Am?

[Melissa]

I didn't know she had made any level of declaration as to what.

[Ish]

Oh, sometimes you don't have to really.

[Melissa]

I guess I just haven't seen anybody with her either.

[Flip]

Yeah, take your little ass back to la. She can't go back.

[Melissa]

Back.

[Flip]

Why can't I go back?

[Ish]

She whip your hair back.

[Mark]

I'm not sure if this was a reference. There was a Zach Galanakis stand up where he did a who ate all the joke. And I think it was Noam Chomsky was the answer or something like that.

[Flip]

Which is a great.

[Mark]

It was a hilarious bit. So I'm not sure if she was referencing that, but my sent you a.

[Flip]

Clip she said she. Obviously she said she was joking. I mean, people don't know how to take a joke.

[Mark]

Do we want to hear her?

[Flip]

I mean. Yeah, please.

[Melissa]

And y' all forgot funny existed.

[Mark]

She's kind of right.

[Melissa]

She's making y' all like molasses.

[Flip]

She even say right. Be sweet, too.

[Mark]

Yeah, I didn't need to.

[Flip]

Okay. Yeah. It goes back to.

[Ish]

You know, the thing about. Oh, go ahead.

[Flip]

It goes back to the question Joe said on the last part. I don't know if we answered it, but what do you say about watching kids grow up to see who they become? Remember that question?

[Melissa]

More like.

[Flip]

Thank you, man.

[Melissa]

Was it to. To see, like, the. To see how they've been raised. Like, the effect, like, the effects that. How. Who raised them?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

See it in them as they grow.

[Flip]

This fall right there. This fall right there. Her brother. You sure? They had a shout out to. That's the homie. But you saw. He was out. He was outside.

[Melissa]

Jaden's your homie.

[Flip]

No, I just. Damn, you exposed. I'm sorry. You spoke with no problems.

[Mark]

Listen, she was, like, on your dick a little bit about that. She was excited for you to be friends with Jaden Smith.

[Flip]

Nah, nah. She was impressed.

[Ish]

No, I would have been.

[Flip]

That's a different type of friend. That. That's the next level. Saying that's the next level. Listen, that's like K in that level. Oh. Oh, Drew. That's Drewy level. See, now playing with you. Kai's my. Kai's my homie.

[Ish]

Shout him out.

[Flip]

Kai's my homie.

[Mark]

So is Juki right? I'm not associates.

[Flip]

Yeah. Does he know you are? Of course I don't know your name.

[Ish]

DM'd him in 2011.

[Flip]

It. He knows.

[Mark]

He dubbed him.

[Flip]

He said you're not thumbs up.

[Ish]

Said, let's work.

[Flip]

Yeah, that was. That was bad. But I. I don't want to talk about that. Listen now.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Because it's a lesson learned. It's a lesson learned. Yeah. And I. I don't make U turns. What else?

[Mark]

You should.

[Flip]

I mean, look behind the K turns the blinker on. Last time. Last time we talked about shout out to Drewski. I think I'm. I'm a fan. He's amazing. Last time we talked about that up here, people were agreeing with you. I think you said that. Or somebody said up here that it's okay to go back even if you shun somebody. I'm saying it's embarrassing. If I shun somebody. I don't think that. I feel embarrassed to later, go back to them and try to work with him.

[Ish]

But if he came up to you, you'll say, yes, sir.

[Flip]

Sir. Maybe. Sucking. Sucking a job. No, I'm just saying, like, exactly. In my mind, I'mma think that he's always going to remember that, and he's going to try to embarrass me.

[Ish]

He might not be.

[Flip]

Well, one thing you could do in all seriousness is just apologize if you did something wrong.

[Ish]

He might not even be on that. He like, yo, come on, little man. I'm.

[Flip]

Yeah, I got you. Hold my boom mic. Oh, you want me to.

[Ish]

His arms are not long enough. Oh, snap.

[Flip]

I'm telling you, you the new Junior.

[Ish]

You the new Junior.

[Mark]

Oh, you're Drew Junior.

[Flip]

Oh, my God.

[Mark]

That was foul. Insane.

[Flip]

Are you. He trying to pass off the foulness. That was a foul thing to say. Well, all right, y'. All, we got a serious piece of business to cover, though.

[Ish]

All right, what's up?

[Flip]

I think a lot of times in America, like, lies get told. Okay. And we have a duty as journalists.

[Mark]

We never figured out who ate all the pussy.

[Melissa]

We'll get back to.

[Flip]

The question I'm about to bring up. Is not the answer. Jussie Smollett. Jussie Smollett is releasing his Netflix documentary on what happened.

[Ish]

Oh, he's producing this doc.

[Flip]

I don't know if he's producing it, but he's certainly promoting it and saying that this is the one where he tells the whole story about what happened.

[Ish]

So I hired the niggas, and I.

[Flip]

Think it's important in a country that often buries lies to have the truth finally told. So I'm. And I'm happy to see this document. That was your piece, too, right? Yeah, we're cool.

[Ish]

Yeah. Let me ask you a question.

[Flip]

You're cool with the Smolletts?

[Ish]

You don't think I was already told?

[Flip]

No, I don't. So you think there's a possibility that he wasn't lying? No, I don't.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Mark]

Also, there's the truth. The one is that there's three sides to the truth. Truth and the truth.

[Melissa]

My side and the truth.

[Ish]

Oh, no, he's not producing it. It's the same producers that made the Tinder Swindler. And don't with cats.

[Melissa]

Oh, I love them. They're good.

[Flip]

Hold on now. Y.

[Ish]

Listen to these. Yo. Tiddler Swindler.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That was different.

[Flip]

But. But. But Jesse has said that, you know, he. More of his story is told on this, I think, version. Yeah, here's. Here's the thing. I personally never cared whether he was telling the truth or not. Cause, I mean, that wasn't the interesting part of the story in terms of his incarceration.

[Mark]

Wait, so what's the interesting part?

[Flip]

Sort of what would make somebody make these choices? Like, did the documentary, the stuff that makes the doc interesting? Like, what was going on in his brain to make the choices he made. What was going on in the police departments.

[Mark]

Subway. To say going to subway.

[Flip]

Going to subway at 4am in Chicago in the winter is why.

[Melissa]

And also what was going on kind of like, you know, in the environment, like, socially. What was happening at the time to.

[Flip]

Say that MAGA people attacked him. For the police to spend this much time and energy locking somebody up for false. For false. What was it called? Filing a false police report, which lots of people do and very few people get prosecuted for. So for me, the story is interesting. I never cared so much about whether he was innocent or guilty. Not because I believe him or don't believe him. Just because to me, like, I just don't care that much about that part. I think people are right to care about it. I just don't care that much about it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Ish]

This is.

[Flip]

And we never found out why he lied.

[Melissa]

Well, this is.

[Flip]

Let's remember, his conviction was overturned.

[Melissa]

Okay, what were you gonna say? Freeze.

[Flip]

What? His conviction was overturned. We know.

[Ish]

You cool with.

[Flip]

Stop. I'm just telling you his conviction was over. I'm just putting all the facts out. Based off of what? Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

[Ish]

The Netflix tagline says, this is a shocking true story of an allegedly fake story that some now might just be a true story that somehow might just be a true story. Featuring interviews with police, lawyers, journalists, investigators who claim to have uncovered new evidence.

[Flip]

About the Casey smoothie.

[Ish]

Hold on, let me finish. And with Jussie himself, this compelling documentary invites the audience to decide for themselves who is telling the truth about Jussie Smollett.

[Mark]

Oh, so they're not gonna give us the answer?

[Ish]

No, no. They want you to come watch. They want us to watch. I just think it's gonna be on their line again.

[Mark]

No, but even in docs, sometimes they don't give you the answer at the end of it. That's the most annoying shit in the world, right?

[Flip]

Did he end up telling you the truth, Mark? Did he tell you what happened? I did do an interview with Justice Smollett, one of the two interviews I think that he's done. You can check it out on my channel. Oh, shit.

[Mark]

If you subscribe?

[Flip]

Yeah, if you subscribe. But, I mean, I've talked to him off the record. On the record, I've talked to him. You know, I have a bigger how off Picture of the story. Yeah. Cause off the road, as often as you went to that club in Jersey, if you gotta go to Twanee's, y' all go to tweentime20. Matter of fact, that's where we was at. Did he let you in? Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, sir. Y' all both got the glizzies with extra horse r.

[Flip]

Don't let them play with you. You be letting him get away. Get. Get his ass.

[Ish]

No, don't get his.

[Flip]

We so far off the rails here. This is all I'm saying. I think that there's a bigger story here that we don't know yet. I don't believe everything that Jussie Smollett said. Like, what was on the sandwich, what's my beef?

[Ish]

Who tied the noose?

[Flip]

I don't know the whole story. All I'm saying is, like, it ain't just one person lying here is all I'm saying. There's a lot to this story that's more interesting to me than what happened at night in Chicago.

[Mark]

Please tell me.

[Ish]

What.

[Flip]

Watch the documentary, but. Cool. Are you in the documentary? I am not in the doc.

[Mark]

It sounds like they should have had.

[Melissa]

Interviewed for the doc.

[Flip]

No, no. I have nothing to do with this documentary. I have just spoken to Jesse and no more details than what he's told the public.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Flip]

When's the last time you spoke to Jussie? What he told me, I have verified again in, like, knowing all the information I know. I don't believe his account of what happened in Chicago is accurate. I don't care. I'm not. Again, I started with that. All I'm saying is there's more to this story than that. That's what I'm saying. There's more to the story than just that part. And it's like most people just focused on that lying. I'm saying, okay, that's a major part.

[Ish]

That's a big part of it.

[Flip]

And I'm saying. But once we. Once we stipulate that, if you accept that, if you believe that, then I'm saying that doesn't mean we can't talk about this other too. That's all I'm saying, is the documentary gets at the other too.

[Ish]

All right, but just so I'm clear, you do believe that was lying?

[Flip]

I don't believe. I don't believe his account was Accurate. No. Mark, when's the. When's the last time you spoke Tim?

[Mark]

Tomorrow.

[Flip]

For sure. Maybe a year now. It's been like a year. It's been, it's been a minute. Whose son change going? We. We. We've DMed and stuff since then. Don't tell me it's another Sam Cook story. It's not another Sam Cook store. Oh, oh, they kill Sam? No. Rest in peace. But what I'm saying is that. Don't tell me he was somewhere into some things and then they got. No, no, no, no, no. I don't know anything about anything like that. All I'm saying is is that this story is to me, it's an interesting story. My question is that's the only way to me I can. Is there. I feel you. Pause. Let's say he's lying for a second. Let's just assume he's lying.

[Ish]

We do he lying.

[Mark]

Yeah, we assume that.

[Flip]

At this point. At this point, do you just. I mean, could he make a U turn? Could he say, you know what K turn?

[Mark]

I think you should make the K turn.

[Ish]

You don't ride it out.

[Flip]

You don't ride it out. Down. Like fuck it. I'm in too deep to do that. Ride it out. But don't do all this if you gonna ride it out out.

[Ish]

Or if you going to come clean at the end. Shut your ass up, accept your fate, come back, put your head down, do the hard work. Put out an album. Cuz he just got signed. They said he got signed to Dallas Austin's label. So come out, put your project out.

[Flip]

See money even. He got signed. Oh, oh, damn.

[Ish]

Yo, no, no, no.

[Flip]

He it. Oh, yo stop. He stop. Hear me, yo, hear me. No.

[Ish]

Yo, fam, we going to go to home dep.

[Flip]

That was for the first one.

[Ish]

We going to go to Home Depot. We going to get a rope.

[Flip]

Oh my God.

[Ish]

Subway.

[Flip]

Two light skinned men.

[Mark]

Go to Jersey.

[Ish]

Go to blimpy though. Yeah, get that blimpy. It's believable if you, if you said blimpy.

[Flip]

I don't believe him. That's crazy. Dogs. Come on, that's up. Come on, Mark, you know.

[Ish]

Yo fam, put your head down. You, you, you had a decent career bubbling that was.

[Mark]

Or you think you could sing better than Jesse?

[Flip]

Yeah. No, he can't do that. All right.

[Mark]

I just wanted to get it on right.

[Flip]

Not exactly enough. Hey, I think every time I've heard you sing on the Internet, you've always said you had you cheated a little bit like you Had Donnie Hathaway singing with you. So you were kind of like. The backup singer's a great singer. I told you that. Off. Off camera. No, no, no, no.

[Ish]

All jokes.

[Flip]

He did. No, you. You did have a good voice.

[Mark]

How do you have this many things to throw over there?

[Flip]

What. What are you been doing over there? Kindergart class.

[Melissa]

And I brought. I brought your ball back.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Ish]

Flip, please explain why you got.

[Flip]

To globe over there. I don't. They put it over there. And the col was Yo. Y. Oh, yo, Yellow.

[Ish]

It's not funny.

[Flip]

Y' all donated to the wrong people. Y better donate to the. To the cause. You right. Stop that. Enough. Why go to w. You Mommy water. And we talking at the same time, man.

[Ish]

Jussie similar. It's on some.

[Flip]

I'm not sitting here listening to. He. He was wrong, though. By the system. Both things could be true. They paid you off.

[Ish]

Let me ask you a question.

[Flip]

Hold on, hold on.

[Ish]

If he ain't lying, did the system get a chance to wrong him? If he didn't go make up this big ass thing that could have potentially sent some innocent to jail, the system would have never had an opportunity to wrong him. Get the fuck out of here.

[Flip]

That's not my point. So. So if they give him an electric chair, it would have been okay because he lied.

[Ish]

Nobody said that at all.

[Flip]

So I said. Remember, I started with the lie part. And I'm saying, in addition, you can't. As a system. We can't leave the system off the hook because personally, I'm less interested in the Jussie story, but I think people have a right to be outraged. As I said, people have a right to be outraged by. What I'm saying, though, is they made a deal with him, and then after they made the deal, in exchange for community service, they then prosecuted him again. You can't get prosecuted twice. Can't. So which is why they overturned his conviction. Same thing with Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby's guilty as sin. But they made a deal with him. Right, and then he pled guilty, and then they charged him anyway. All I'm saying is the system has to play fair.

[Ish]

Cool. So I'm agreeing.

[Flip]

Yeah. So I have no disagreement with you on justifying it.

[Ish]

I don't feel no sympathy for him.

[Flip]

I'm not asking you to.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Flip]

As I said, remember I said people are right to feel however they feel about Justin.

[Ish]

Like, yo, dog, let me tell you something, bro. Again, just. Just imagine if they would have locked somebody up. Let's just say Those two Africans. No. Or anybody that he. Because he was saying some MAGA people did to some other shit. Any innocent person that could have potentially went to jail. Let's just say hypothetically, a father went to jail.

[Mark]

Some poor innocent Republican.

[Flip]

Yeah. About to say some. Some guys wearing MAGA hats at 4aM they probably didn't.

[Ish]

Chester and them with the two teeth went to jail. Holy. Chester got kids.

[Flip]

That's racist. That's crazy.

[Ish]

Chester got kids and Chester goes to jail. That's some up. And he made up a story. It's no different than what the white people used to be doing to us back in the day. Making up fake stories like that.

[Flip]

He might say em got lied on block. Mark, man.

[Ish]

What I'm saying is did get lied on.

[Flip]

I know, but you might use that as an example. I'm just saying. No, no, no.

[Ish]

I'm saying, like, it's degree to it, but I still think that all of it is up. I don't care if somebody got charged and they got community service. They didn't go to jail. They still were falsely charged based off a lot of he made up.

[Flip]

We're not disagreeing on anything. Let's move on. I. I agree with everything you just said.

[Mark]

I'm gonna watch this doc, though.

[Flip]

The doctor's worth watching. Thank you.

[Mark]

It's supposed to be some in there, boys.

[Flip]

Netflix got a Charlie Sheen doc coming too. And watch that too. That tiger blood. Yeah, that's a story. Charlie Sheen is one of them guys that I'm fascinated by again, like Jesse Smart. I want to know what goes on in his brain.

[Melissa]

Well, I mean, there was a lot of like, you know, chemistry alteration by all the drugs.

[Flip]

Yeah, everything cool. But how do we. How do we feel about allowing these people to also benefit? Like, because financially they're going to be well off, off of doing these docs. And Charlie Sheen's story ain't the cleanest. Like, how much more you think they're.

[Mark]

Really making off these guys?

[Melissa]

A whole lot of money off these dogs.

[Flip]

I mean, I think.

[Ish]

Anyone think Charlie Sheen is going to consent to a doc without some money?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I'm not saying he's not getting some.

[Ish]

Money, but like, how much Charlie Sheen, my. He ain't no Charlie.

[Flip]

She ain't walking to the table getting no wait. But is he actually a part of it? He's in the doc. Yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is if he's not producing it and he's not getting like real money off of it. Right. And I don't know his financial situation. I can't imagine he's $10 million to do the doc. That's what I'm saying. Like, Charlie Sheen got Charlie Sheen money. And I'm not saying.

[Mark]

Because they can't afford that because the.

[Flip]

Dock ain't worth it. Yeah. That doc. Yeah. So to me, Charlie Sheen is like.

[Melissa]

They don't make a lot, don't generate a lot of money.

[Flip]

Docs don't make a lot of money. And. And. And people in docs don't usually get paid anything. So I think sometimes these people just want to get their shit out. Now, I'm not saying he's not making any money off of it, but Charlie Sheen don't need the money, and he ain't doing it for the money. I think it would be similar to Justy, because I have a story. I have a story that I want the world to hear. I want to reframe how the public sees me, because right now, Charlie Sheen is seen as a monster to a lot of people or a crash out or a head case.

[Mark]

All of the above.

[Flip]

All the above. And I'm saying, like, he might want to tell a different story about himself. He just had an ego. You know what I'm saying? But all these. I love all these. I love all these docs. Is there a doc y' all would want to see somebody make? Or rather, is there a doc about, like. About whom would you want to see a doc like this?

[Mark]

Oh, I watch any doc, so it's a long list for me.

[Flip]

Gotcha. I would. I would love to, at some point have seen that Prince doc. If that would have been released. I would have sat there and not blinked the eye. That's. That's. That's would have been the one. That's a good one. I feel the same way about my Michael Jackson doc. Like, a real Michael Jackson doc. Not, like funded by Michael Jackson, not funded by his enemies, but like a real. Yeah, like a real independent, like, impartial. Go ahead. You think it's an Imani joke coming? No.

[Ish]

A Mike joke coming?

[Flip]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

But I think that it would be hard to do that because to get Mike's okay and get it be real.

[Flip]

Hard to get a Ouija board.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

I mean, like, I want to get his information, like, where he was okay with getting. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

Yeah. Your man that did the documentary about Malcolm X, he was independent, right? Oh, Abdul Rahman, Muhammad. Yeah. That shit was fire. That's one of the best Documents I've ever seen. One of the best. Who killed Malcolm X? Yeah, I love it. Newark and you close.

[Ish]

They come. You ain't that far.

[Flip]

I live in Irvington. Yeah. You know, you talk to all 10 minutes.

[Ish]

One block. They gotta stay on one street. They ain't gotta turn.

[Flip]

They don't gotta turn.

[Ish]

Straight up.

[Flip]

Yo, you. Facts are facts. Yo, there's a story that came out the last couple days that's been sparking a little bit of a gender war.

[Mark]

Our favorite.

[Ish]

Oh, I thought we was gonna get through a power without a gender war.

[Flip]

We don't gotta do a gender war. We could just talk about it.

[Ish]

Do we.

[Flip]

We're responsible people. We're mature.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Flip]

We're thoughtful. Shakari. Oh, Richardson.

[Ish]

We touched on it. Yeah, we did.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Flip]

We talked about when she got arrested.

[Melissa]

We talked about it.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Now. Now, the video of her actually being arrested, is there any.

[Flip]

Any new information from that video? Does it change how y'. All. Changes anything?

[Ish]

I mean, I. I was already like, I ain't with that. Put your hands on nobody. So she told him nothing happened. It was just. Just verbal.

[Flip]

She told the police.

[Ish]

This one told the police nothing happened. It's just verbal, you know, me and him, blah, blah, blah.

[Mark]

They closed the files.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They said she even told them, y' all can look at the tape. It's. But they. Look, they did what they did. What I don't like is she said, why am I getting arrested? And he's the man here.

[Mark]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

That's where my problem came, right there. I stopped dating her. I would never speak to her again ever.

[Flip]

Because of that part.

[Ish]

Yes, yes, yes. I. It was another thing, too, because she was looking at him like, really, really Christian? Really? Like, getting mad at him. And it's like, fam, you getting arrested based on you.

[Flip]

You.

[Ish]

I didn't do anything. He tried everything he was. Yo, bro. He tried everything he could to not remotely get misconstrued. Any put. He didn't push back, he didn't nudge. He didn't do anything.

[Flip]

You don't think there's something a little. I mean. I mean, let's just say there's nothing he could have done. Cops made up their mind, we arrested her, blah, blah, blah. You can just sit there and just say nothing while your girl getting arrested. At least no level of like, come on, like, please. Like, nothing. Like, you just.

[Ish]

No, but they showed parts where he was like, yo, dawg, I'm not pressing charges. I'm not doing none of that. My thing is this. Do we compound the problem by now? Allowing them to jump on him? They're not gonna treat him like they treating her.

[Mark]

Hey, did my girl just get done beating my ass? Cause in that case, I'm like.

[Ish]

Yo, alleged to Friday.

[Melissa]

Yeah, this is.

[Ish]

Sit down for a little bit.

[Melissa]

I feel like, you know, when she spoke, it was already, like, a volatile situation, and you say things when you're upset and the threat of being arrested and whatnot. Since then, she has apologized for everything. She's apologized for her behavior.

[Ish]

She's. Are you talking about the video or. Or the post? Yeah. What you saying? What you say? In the heat of the bro. She did a. A video apology addressing everything, which I. She was kind of smirking in. That takes the sincerity out for me. If you sitting here apologizing and accepting accountability, I don't want to see. I call it like I see it. Loves this. Y' all know that. I call it like it is. And, yes, y' all know I ride for her. Yeah, you do. But even in the apology, you smirking, which now, when you're doing that, the sincerity is like, no, fam. It was. If you watch it, you can see she's. She's damn near smiling. Gotcha.

[Melissa]

You don't think. You don't think that the smiling was due to, you know, a sense of, like, embarrassment and her not really knowing how to react to it, and it's just awkwardness.

[Flip]

I would accept that if it was a rideable. If it was.

[Ish]

Because guess what? If that shoe was on the other foot and he was sitting there smiling, you would not come in here and say, well, maybe he was a little embarrassed and he felt a little awkward with the camera. You'll be like, he threw that. She threw the boy into a pole.

[Flip]

Like, if it were live. If it were live, I'd say, fine, she's smart. I mean, just make another video. Like, if you look back at that and you see yourself smirking, make another video. Right, like, where you aren't. Like, where it doesn't look like you're smirking. I thought I had a little bit of a different take than y' all on this. Y' all be shocked to know we wouldn't. I think one. I didn't think she should be arrested.

[Mark]

You don't think anybody should be arrested, though?

[Flip]

No, no. But even in the fair. That's a fair point. But I'm saying, even in the context of the current laws and rules, you.

[Ish]

Don'T think she broke enough laws. Did you see it?

[Flip]

I Saw the description of it, and when you all. You all reenacted it for me outside of the battle. Oh, you didn't see the actual video. I read the. I read the news reports and I read the police report, and so I read all the things that she did.

[Ish]

So to you, that's not enough to be arrested, but it's contextual because you gotta see it.

[Flip]

I stand down. So if what I'm saying is nullified by what you saw in the video, then I'll concede because I didn't see the video. I only read the police report.

[Ish]

Okay, but the way you read sounded.

[Flip]

Like some shit where. If I were a police officer, I would be like, yo, y' all need to go your separate ways, go home. I just don't.

[Ish]

Okay, let me ask.

[Flip]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

Had it been flipped? You think it's the same thing applies there? Police officer says, okay, it's enough here. It wasn't enough to arrest nobody. Y' all just go your ways and go home.

[Flip]

The short answer is yes, absolutely. Let's just do this. Let's offer you a view at this moment. Sure.

[Ish]

It was one of them pushes. It was two of the pushes that were really hard. Like, one of them, she threw him up against a pole, bro. One of the. One of the pushes, she kind of threw him up against a pole. A little force. Both arms, full force. And he hit the thing. Like on some. I thought he would have bounced back and bounced back.

[Mark]

She strolled.

[Ish]

That was the one that I was like, okay, now she's overdoing it. Her nudging him with her shoulder and all, that was something different. And my thing is this. If we gonna go by fairness, if he would have threw her into that poll like that, everybody and their mother. Everybody and their mother would say he should go to jail.

[Flip]

Wait, you see it now? Okay, I've now seen it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I don't think anybody should go to jail for that. Oh, male include. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. And just to take it or leave.

[Ish]

It, I'm calling Kat.

[Flip]

I mean, then there's no point having a discussion.

[Ish]

I'm listening.

[Flip]

It's an unfair question. If you say, well, if I say no, then you say, aha. You have a double standard. If I say yes, you say, I don't believe you. So, I mean, I can't. But what I would say is, in general, I don't necessarily accept the premise that we have to always reverse things, because I think size, strength, all those things Matter, you know what I mean? Physicality. And that's not necessarily gendered, but it typically becomes gender. In other words, if my girlfriend were 300 pounds mean I 6 foot 4, you know what I mean? Then yeah, I think her push is different than my push. Can I actually. So for me it's about. It's about the harm that was caused. But in this case, I think what she did was bad. I think what she did was unacceptable. I think she should be held accountable for that. And if I were him, I wouldn't fuck with her anymore either. I think we have to say that nobody should put their hands on anybody. Gender, regardless of gender. Nobody should put their hands on anybody. All I'm saying is as a police officer, if I saw that exchange and I've done that on the street where I've broken up, potential domestic violence.

[Mark]

Superman.

[Flip]

Nah, I mean I just can't. I wouldn't gonna let some dude beat some girl ass in front of my voice.

[Ish]

There's two things in that.

[Flip]

Hold on, let me finish the thought. Just let me finish the thought. As a police officer, I didn't think that what I saw right there amounted to an assault. And so I would have sent them home. And if it was the other way around, I would have done the same thing. Mark, you don't. That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

You think the airport plays a part in that?

[Flip]

For sure.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? Like now this, this ain't just on the street.

[Flip]

That's fair.

[Ish]

So in the airport.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

We're going to treat this a certain way.

[Flip]

No, because never mind that. The mindset of somebody that feels that comfortable to act like that in the airport, imagine what you would do in private.

[Mark]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Flip]

I can't police you based on what. What I didn't see. If you're thinking, if you're thinking as a, as an office or anything and you want to prevent something happening in the future, you have to this sometimes think. But that's not your job to prevent incidents. That's like me saying, well, I saw you stealing a candy bar. You probably rob a bank later. So I got. You know what I mean? Like if I see you physically assault someone, even to a minor degree, it's not my job to make sure that it doesn't proceed. I would intervene, but I don't think I would arrest them for assault.

[Ish]

But we can't pick and choose. When you doing your job is at your discretion, then.

[Flip]

No, you absolutely can pick and choose.

[Ish]

Because now I gotta follow the letter of the law. We have you on cameras in this big ass area and you are assaulting somebody. So my job is to book them. Dano.

[Flip]

Yeah, but.

[Ish]

Or we can have discretion, right?

[Flip]

And what I'm saying is discretion is picking and choosing. People always say you can't pick and choose. I'm saying you absolutely have to pick and choose. We always have to use our judgment based on context. If I pull you, I'm sure as a young boy, you got pulled over or stopped by the police and frisked. If you had a small joint in your pocket, they don't have to lock you up for possession. And police officers make those choices all the time. And that's all I'm saying. Technically, does she break the law? Yes. But. But I'm saying, male or female, I would not have interviewed at that moment and locked somebody out. You know how many times things like that have happened where people use their discretion to say, you know what? Everybody fucking.

[Ish]

It wasn't a big deal, and then.

[Flip]

Go home and kill the lady.

[Mark]

It was just that documentary about the creator girl that the boyfriend they pulled in Utah.

[Flip]

I was about to say that. And you know what? The police locking you up for those five minutes. No, the police doesn't stop that shit from happening. No, the police didn't lock them up, but the police sent them separate places. And then she end up going to the hotel where the guy was at when she was told not to. No, what I'm saying is Imani is saying if the police. He's saying, he's arguing locking them up as a way to stop a bad outcome. Got it? I'm saying 90% of the time when you lock people up for that shit, they go back to each other.

[Ish]

True, true.

[Flip]

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't stop domestic violence. I'm just saying this particular case wouldn't be something that I would want to intervene the police in. And I would argue that 90% of dudes, 99% of dudes, if you were walking down the street and your girl did that shit to you, you would not want the police to come in and lock her up for that shit. I to want.

[Ish]

He didn't want to lock them. He didn't want.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. So I don't know why I wouldn't sit here now and say, ask for something different for her than I would want for myself. And maybe that's the problem.

[Ish]

But if the police pulled over and saw it, they're gonna act.

[Flip]

But that's not fair. Though, because we also speak to the mindset of men just allowing in certain things to take place. That's not normal. That's not normal. No, it's not that. We shouldn't feel that comfortable, especially in public, doing something like that. And that's why I would not with her ever again. Again. I'm saying nobody should put their hands on anybody.

[Ish]

And if you don't feel. Because once they put them cuffs on her, yeah, it was a whole different little. And she was a canary at that point. She was a little different. She was way. You know what I'm saying? So my.

[Melissa]

Hell, yeah, that shit's scary.

[Ish]

All right, cool. So that. Now this is your lesson learned. So the fact that you got arrested and you know that this is a possible consequence, you might calm down.

[Flip]

You need that.

[Ish]

You might need that.

[Flip]

There's another piece of this before we close out on it. And that. That was. Y' all said that y' all didn't like the fact that she said, why you arrested me? And he's the man.

[Ish]

He's the man in this situation.

[Flip]

I heard that differently, too. I didn't hear. Y' all heard it like, you should be arresting him.

[Ish]

No, that's not how I heard it.

[Flip]

Okay, maybe I should.

[Ish]

I just heard there's a man here. I shouldn't be getting arrested. Even if it's nobody, if somebody's gonna be arrested, you got a man right there. I should not get arrested. That's the way I heard. Not saying, yo, y' all go get him, but, okay, there's a man, and y' all coming in really Christian. Really, really. Like, she's getting locked up, looking at.

[Flip]

Him like, yo, it sounds like this has happened before. This is.

[Ish]

I agree with Imani.

[Flip]

This is how I interact. I'm agreeing with Imani, and you've been the guy to walk away. And we're gonna create this pattern that's gonna continue until one of us end up really in jail for some stupid shit. Yeah. Interesting. So real quick, last question on this. Would any of y' all stay with this person. Person after. Could you. Could you imagine yourself staying with a person after interaction like this? No. Today. No, I know. It's so. Well, I know that face.

[Ish]

Today. Absolutely not.

[Flip]

It's like a shit with the Hawaiian. I just might stay two more weeks. Yo, listen, is that. Is that right?

[Ish]

I ain't got no time. Your dog listen to this.

[Mark]

At their age, I was staying with that girl.

[Ish]

To have some fun when we got home. But look, we grew up in different times.

[Mark]

That's true, too.

[Ish]

We grew up in different times. The fact that she looked at the cops and said, yo, why am I being arrested when he's the man in this situation? That's a red flag.

[Flip]

A red flag?

[Ish]

That is deep, bro. We are minimalizing that. That is not. He's somebody, too. I got to lose the out of here. No, you got. That's big, bro. You have to go.

[Flip]

You know how wacky your brain got to be in that. That moment to where you're doing that in the airport.

[Ish]

I'm on with Imani. Like, yo, you're that comfortable?

[Flip]

Never mind. Just you in a hotel lobby. You're in the can.

[Ish]

You're a metal winner that just got in trouble for smoking weed a couple years ago and got disqualified. So you're. You're.

[Flip]

We got perception.

[Ish]

Greatest.

[Flip]

She got to be held accountable for.

[Ish]

Come on, bro.

[Flip]

Never mind. Just the action of the. The abuse. Because at that. It's abuse. I don't give what nobody. Of course it's abuse. Abuse. Just the thought process that you have as a star at this point, somebody that's recognizable. Come on.

[Ish]

You can't do that.

[Flip]

No, you need to hold her accountable. Yo, get your shit together. Whatever y' all got going on, fix it. If y' all need to separate, separate. But you, as a black woman who's now in this world with a big name, you can't feel that comfortable to just go out here and to be touching on anybody like that. Let your. Let alone your boyfriend. I agree. She needs some support. It's not like she needs some inhune.

[Ish]

If they in a house by themselves, I see us smacking the shit out of him 100%. Oh, what? I see her smacking the shit out of him.

[Flip]

When that's happened to you, how have you responded?

[Ish]

Okay, it depends on. I've responded different.

[Flip]

It depends on how good the box was.

[Ish]

No, no. It depend on my mood. It depend on why they hitting you. Shit like that matters. You know what I'm saying? But I've been assaulted by women before as well, so. So, dog. But again, if she would do that, if she would do that in a public airport, my like doing that in Madison Square Garden. You got it. That's peace, man. Right there. All right. We did it.

[Flip]

We did. We did it. We did it.

[Ish]

We did it.

[Mark]

We did it.

[Flip]

We did it. It's been a great conversation, guys. We had some other gender war. Maybe we should leave that alone. Yeah, I think we should put it to sleep. Put it to see what you did there. I see what you did there.

[Ish]

You are my guy. You are.

[Flip]

Do we do. Are we going to sleepers? Do we have friends at the show?

[Ish]

You ain't get the joke?

[Flip]

No, you ain't. Yeah, I got it. Put it to sleep. I heard pull out the globe again.

[Mark]

You really just destroyed his perfect this whole up.

[Flip]

So all we doing. No, listen, listen, listen. Y' all playing with me. No, no. Never playing with me. It was a great thing that he did, but I just thought that we had friend in the show. We don't. If we don't, then.

[Mark]

All right. Should we play for a sleeper?

[Flip]

We don't do sleepers on Fridays.

[Melissa]

We don't, but we didn't do sleepers on Tuesdays.

[Flip]

I'm the great disruptor.

[Ish]

What that mean?

[Flip]

I disrupt this whole crazy. Some grape within. What? Within what?

[Ish]

Gray pads.

[Flip]

Those rooms. Are you crazy? I just got a sleeper. Stop letting them go.

[Ish]

Letting them go. All right. I'm going to Toronto. So my guy, Ryan Blaze, his record is called Right Palm Itching.

[Flip]

Living in the shadow of the monster within. Wait, that's a chili. Ever fearful of its next outburst of violence. Was watching everybody eat while I remain patient. You cannot manifest success while your brain's hating. Came from a block where we nickel squeezing and K's raising rated the trap house made it hot now it stays vacant I ain't never so work not what I used to do play with 38s and 380s then clutched Aruga too but we wasn't reckless though we just had to even odds grew up fast we ain't even see the prom Bought my first whip at 195 stacks and it was all cash Cherry red Chrysler with tinted windows I crawl fast gray interior but they played me Cause I had hubcaps Shooting at the whip While we buck back and we duck fast stupid around us is not allowed the way we test them out we just ask them to read aloud Mumbling, stuttering flush your mouth the obstacles the way I ain't finding another route Wow, I feel my right palm itching Money's coming to me believing my mom's thinking hood intuition they needed alarm systems My Muslim homie told me Qurans and Psalm scriptures I feel my right palm itching Money's coming to me believing my mom's thinking hood intuition they needed alarm systems My Muslim homie told me Qurans and Psalm scriptures My potential is high but requires sacrifice Wish I could party and fill up my social appetite but my daughter needs millions and not your master Life have to be proud of the current me and my afterlife I can't be regular and think that I'm going to flash some ice and turn around and say that 100k is my asking price you gotta put in the work and master your craft deliver on your product before you ask for a bag that's why I learned to make beats and perfect my lyrics arrange a song, think of the concept and engineering don't pay for studio time never will send deposits I own my music so every dollar I make is profit put the studio in the house and not do it my way Wanna perfect your jump shot you put the net in your driveway look how I set up my future.

[Ish]

I'm boss driven no wonder why my.

[Flip]

Right palm's itching I feel my right palm itching money's coming to me believing my mom's thinking hood intuition they needed alarm systems my Muslim homie told me Qurans and psalm scriptures I feel my right palm itching money's coming to me believing my mom's thinking hood intuition they needed alarm systems my Muslim homie to told me Qurans and psalm scriptures and.

[Ish]

That record is right Palm Itching by Ryan Blades senior phones on DSPs he.

[Mark]

Bodied that he sounded great. I am going to go to this pre and rock Marcy project which I really love the coldest profession is the name of it to EP or short album I don't know how you want to describe it but this is rock.

[Flip]

Markable up about it the little slick remarks I took all that to heart I'm living large so that come with the job still railing and cod been in the fishing rod hitting different I want from here to Wichita which is why I keep the stick in the ride for the beef like me making shish kebabs to tell you goodbye don't let your feelings get you tricked out of your spot them that's with you was not willing to die especially not behind some hip hop just a killing that I exhibit it but it's not an episode of Pimp my ride all I do is shine and get fly this is designer hip hop you can't get this feeling from any narcotic inside a ziploc shipping dock or prescription jar just know that when it's lit I'm a ticking bomb you can't pull my car like I'm Nicky Barnes I'm cut from a different cloth you can never put this song could never you could never.

[Ish]

Let'S be real about it.

[Flip]

Besides she's silk on like a boss I'm killing y' all That's a body on the floor remind me to hide the course and I get caught somewhere in mind talk I tried to ignore the side talk if I could turn 25 in court and it's my swan song I'll be fine mama Armstrong wine connoisseur with the tomahawk I was just caught side watching the Knicks mob the horse knocked your bottom whore a lot of them fall I spent about 25 long in the Prada store I'm just trying to inspire y' all. You're witnessing this firsthand it gotta feel like you'll fly on the wall fly civil mall skywalker my class like the mall that's no ball this ain't tug of war but I got so much pull the gun clip full but I feel bulletproof let's be real about it if you got something.

[Mark]

As DJ premiere rock Marciano remarkable off the coldest profession which is out now cop it Ash. What you got?

[Ish]

Pardon me. I'm going to show. I'm going to Sasha Keeble. The song is called heartbeat.

[Flip]

It might be tears or it might be raining Replaying our all of these things that you try to defend 22 hours on flights we know you ain't friends and you still stood trying to front on me where are my emotions eternally you lied or you lie lying straight through your teeth it's clear you don't respect what I've done after all these years the moment I try to move on you just re up here and nothing but this feels sincere cause I can feel your heart out of your chest you trying to find the best halfway next you since you give got deeper don't play with it don't play with it trying to slide on anyone you can't don't think silence means I don't understand thank you. Got me blowing in the wind the way now you really just a fan Ruby show me everything she already exposed told me how she cut you up and she don't want to hold you how you me over for someone who doesn't love you but I hope it was worth it in the end or you lied like straight through your teeth this way stay black and be weird are you faking? Yes it the moment I try to move on you just free up and nothing but you feel sincere cuz I can feel your heart you trying to find the best way needs you you give got me back don't play with it.

[Mark]

Sasha Keeble heartbeat that is super hard.

[Melissa]

She's amazing.

[Mark]

That was great.

[Melissa]

She's amazing.

[Mark]

Big Mel what you got for us today?

[Melissa]

Jid was not lying when he said his album was a contender for best rap album of the year. It's incredible.

[Mark]

It really is.

[Melissa]

It's so good and I'm playing wholeheartedly off of it. It's Jid tie, Dollar Sign and Black. It's fire.

[Mark]

It is.

[Ish]

That is one of the best records on that album. Good man, Jay.

[Mark]

What up?

[Flip]

Play game by the cold don't change on the game no you roll never trade for my soul won't betray my brother goes into my baby baby don't you go I don't want to say so long so long let's be unafraid to wear the stones it's candy rain Never switch up on me don't change don't switch up on me don't switch up on me Never switch up on me.

[Ish]

Lessons and spending them too I.

[Flip]

Know to keep it solid on the other side Seeing it through Never switch.

[Ish]

On me this ain't no multiplayer mobile.

[Flip]

Racer Pick your mood up Party favor red and green light do we stop or go Rev the engine Then I.

[Ish]

Lock the door I guess on this road I cannot control Releasing the range.

[Flip]

Felt like a fetish I needed to pain you gonna regret if we do it in vain I ain't trying to hold no grudge I ain't trying to.

[Ish]

Lose no love they play roles like call time cross lines and we all.

[Flip]

Fly for my gang I thank God everything we pray for us we was looking at the same stars now we riding in the same cars and if the world is all for you it's just like that Alpha be don't know what we about to do Just like Thelma and Louise Just like you need housing food Just like you need air Debris so high at this altitude Seen so much you can't believe but if we talking about the truth this could be the proof Imma break the rule Chilling with the crew Crashed in the cool crash band the coupe clean at the cash dash I can loot heavens in the bed we playing few I been living saying I've been on the loop Back like I do for you which inside Brand new bird brains brain dead Keep the same game like LeBron de tell them lame move along so you see the snakes when you do your longing if you love me tell me when I'm wrong if you love you should play this on it My baby come to put it on it Long as you ain't being phony don't switch up on me don't switch up on me no Never switch up on me Never switch up on me now just me love Tea love me don't switch up on me Never switch up on me Never switch up on me no just me love Tea love me oh.

[Mark]

As jid ty$sign black wholeheartedly. That JIT album is absolutely incredible.

[Flip]

It's like the best albums of the year all came out like in the last.

[Melissa]

Like I was gonna say that second half.

[Mark]

Yeah, it's overwhelming. But I'm not mad. I'm glad we got here.

[Ish]

Not mad.

[Mark]

I'm glad we got here. This is a jump ball. I don't know who goes next.

[Flip]

I'll go last.

[Mark]

You want to go last?

[Flip]

No, you have seniority. You go.

[Ish]

Oh we should have let E go first.

[Mark]

Oh yeah, go ahead.

[Flip]

You should have.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Flip]

This record is crash out remix from Light featuring Friday and Meek Mill.

[Ish]

Oh said I'm letting go finding me time we go swimming on the deep side you you ain't never leaving me we ain't a forever she said you you ain't never leaving me I feel no better so good I should have knew that he came with smart mouth attitude to left folks told myself I put up with your because your ex could everything that's wrong with you your ex did you to call that baggage and you gave it to your next look inside my mirror and I see myself as that your homie said she seen me with a that was my stepsister my stepsister and you knew that was my stepsister you knew it still you had the nerve to go question and that's the type of made me think lesser you oh you like to deflect me now I'm addressing and that's just unacceptable you said it better if.

[Flip]

We moved on told me best wishes.

[Ish]

As if you really want what's best.

[Flip]

For me say I don't love you.

[Ish]

Because I told you to leave and you left me and she lied for real said I'm letting go finding me time and she go swimming on the deep sea side you you ain't never leaving me we ain't in forever she said you you ain't never leaving me I feel no better girl I think you like this love better when we be making up it's like you choose violence every time that you wake up send you want a peace of mind and that you had enough but when it's up with you was stuck you getting your feeling saying words you can't take back now 30 minutes later how you want me to blow your back out the only reason I l this toxic that's when your at his best.

[Flip]

Now.

[Ish]

You listen to your friends telling you lies and then you buy it don't tell me where they man and what other man they should try it My auntie told me you go like looking for then you going to find it and if it's me and you against the real then I will hide it cuz I made this when we had in the mo days I want to fight for it I'm talking about teenage love back then it was only US 25 juice in the back of your mama room first time that we made love that's when we ain't getting no f I know that I up but I know that you mean my.

[Flip]

Love but you crash out crash out this that crash out it's so good it made me lash out on Waikiki off our biggie till we pass out I want you come see me I go Cece on you cash out When I seen with that goofy I almost spazzed out Kevin P. You let that head on us she was trying to get next to me heard you out of LA going up tweaking out the ecstasy bro was like shorty throwing you off and I'm like definitely is bad for get behind bands can't get in touch with me I'm letting go, finding me time I try testing her to find out she lied she like you you ain't never leaving me I want to see your phone and let me see if you don't want let me see then let me be try and be real you keep talking while I'm talking let me speak Hard to be thorough when you're living like I live especially me in a free world she keep lying like I'm regular in London I got three girls that are crash out by Meek Mill My Philly chick had 300k, I took her to 3mil she still ain't be run I still wanna be that up cause I don't hit no females and I blocked her on everything but now I want her.

[Melissa]

Email.

[Flip]

That'S life Crash out remix featuring Friday Meek Mill that fire I never seen earth on his on his right Meek I brought. I would like to see a project I would like to see a little project, a little ep. Meek Friday from Philly right there.

[Mark]

I would like a black and jit project too while we're on the subway.

[Flip]

That'd be fire too. That would be.

[Ish]

Yeah, that would be fire.

[Flip]

Salute. Salute. Mark. All right, since you played the other the Vic Mensa joke, the record that.

[Mark]

You wanted to play. My bad.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's all good. I like this whole album, so I'm gonna go with no More Old Men. Chance the Rapper Featuring Jamila Woods I was in need.

[Ish]

Sound crispy.

[Mark]

Is nice.

[Ish]

They say shy don't dance no more and the little kids don't got a chance no more they ain't even trying to free the old man no more One day it won't be no old man no more Mr. Darn used to take the bus over from Halstead Mr. Harper used to be so exhausted the barbershop bustling bootleg lacrosse best forget the DVDs they trying to get that golf trip Freckles buy focus and Kango hats Spinning stories stories bout blocks that they can't go back Singing songs about the women that they can't hold back they used to rub them on their hair that they can't grow back Clippers buzzing crying grand baby boy cousin the first cut Little man quit all that fussing God the father may love ya, the world doesn't that's how I learned to put my dukes up and play the dozens Lessons in the strategies of love and war Chessboards and king magazines galore It's a lot less love than it was before It's a lot less old man than it was before for.

[Flip]

Don'T.

[Ish]

Dance no more and the kids don't even got a chance no more they ain't even trying to free the old man no more Pretty soon it won't be no old man no more I dance that's when my father Luther Vandross we played catch so much I turned to Randy Moss. I had uncles all up and down 79th with his boys Betting on Floyd every fight Cold beers and cigar smoke Pelly post card decks and some harsh jokes Jacks when they cars broke Sleeping separate rooms for years when they hearts broke so at least somebody there if they start stroking Used to play street fighter with my play cousin now the streets are how you playing with your real cousin? They said the world didn't love me and it still doesn't I guess that real old love wasn't real, was it? The present is past, the future is sick. The culture gave us cut out life size funeral pics. Where's your instincts? Act like you forgot it's the four black commandments, man. You know why we rock? It goes, one, watch your health, that's your wealth Two, watch your brother, that's yourself. Three, watch your home, that's your door four, if they want it, we go to war in the distant future The. The twilight of Our lives Contains all.

[Flip]

The laughs and highlights of our lives.

[Ish]

The knowledge that can help a young man go forth for the day. You don't see these old men no.

[Flip]

More I'm always coming.

[Mark]

We don't let it ride it yeah.

[Flip]

My head turn wide.

[Mark]

Fire that is no more old men Chance Jamila Woods.

[Ish]

Those two might make me go Fire.

[Flip]

I'm listening the most I leave I.

[Ish]

I. I ain't been the biggest Chance fan, but from what I heard, that's enough for me to go give it a listen.

[Mark]

The album is tough. I only gave it the one listen, but it sounded. It sounded great. There's a couple records that I could do without, but that's always.

[Ish]

It's a little long.

[Flip]

It's about three albums. Three records I gave.

[Ish]

That's fine.

[Flip]

But it's 18 songs. Oh, no, that's. That's great.

[Ish]

I'll take it. I'm. I'mma definitely check it out. Thank y' all for that.

[Mark]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ish]

Damn sure.

[Mark]

Good to hear Chance again, man.

[Flip]

Yeah. Yes. Good show, y'. All.

[Ish]

Yeah, great.

[Melissa]

Great show.

[Flip]

Excellent show. Great job. Flip.

[Melissa]

We'Re not being sarcastic.

[Flip]

Yeah, you be hosted, man. You mean it?

[Melissa]

We mean it.

[Flip]

You sure? Yes.

[Melissa]

We love when you're a Mike.

[Flip]

We do. We talk a lot. When it's time to leave.

[Melissa]

Shut the up. You sound like you. You do sound like Joe right now.

[Flip]

Thank you, B. You know I like when you. Man. Hey, yo, man. We did it, y'. All. Thank you for tuning in. What are you guys doing this weekend, huh? Hey, yo, Talk. I know. We. We. We. We about to.

[Melissa]

I'm going to go see Eric Badu. No, not. Not Eric Badu. Eric Roberson.

[Flip]

Eric Roberson, Fire vocalist.

[Melissa]

He's performing this weekend, so me and some of the girls are going to go see him.

[Flip]

How many? How many, y'? All?

[Melissa]

Five of us, I want to say.

[Flip]

And then we're going to go to, like, a speakeasy. I know what time speak. Easy.

[Melissa]

Yeah. Like watching, you know, watching live music and then enjoying each other's company at a speakeasy.

[Mark]

That's a vibe.

[Melissa]

I think that's.

[Flip]

Hope y have fun.

[Ish]

Hope y have fun.

[Flip]

What you do this weekend, boy, besides switching out the. The se. You got to switch it every once in a while. What you doing now? This. This is my last weekend with it in, so I'm. Yes, I know. I'm be home reading the Bible. Tell your sister called me. Yo, I thought she tight. Nah, she good. She. She good talking. No, I'm I'm. I'm be chilling. Be chilling. Take this weekend easy. You have sex again soon as it come up. Nah.

[Ish]

Good lying his ass.

[Flip]

What about you, bro? What you going? You know, I mean. Come on yo go. What you doing this weekend?

[Ish]

Roll him up right.

[Flip]

Put a little tie in. Come on yo, what you. What you doing?

[Ish]

I ain't doing prepping for next week. Little bit of work. Yeah.

[Mark]

Oh yeah.

[Flip]

You got to do to do you.

[Mark]

The in the mirror and what I'm.

[Flip]

Going say you wearing a suit at Invest fest or you going to wear this strongest? I'm the fastest receiver. That's right. That's right up. What you doing?

[Ish]

I'm chilling, man. I'll be in a pool or some. I. I ain't got no plans. I'm getting ready for vacation, man.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Melissa]

You going on vacation?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

Jamaica, right? Okay. Okay.

[Ish]

Goddamn.

[Flip]

Miss all all nasty. I gotta my wife gonna be at time most weekend so I'll be home doing home cleaning deer out the yard and potty training my son. I'm doing a 72 hour method starting. No pampering, nothing. Yeah just nature boy all weekend. Let me know if you need the nanny. Oh, I thought you're gonna say if you need diaper situation that I know you had some tips. Oh.

[Mark]

I'm not doing man. I'm chilling. I'm keeping it light. I'm keeping it light.

[Ish]

He out on you just now.

[Flip]

You crazy. I got some. I got some. Listen y', all, thank you for tuning in, man. Remember, the baddies are insecure.

[Ish]

The broken as much as we.

[Flip]

I got that. I got that. Excuse me cuz, we talk. I just. You want to do it, do it do.

[Ish]

You got to play boy.

[Flip]

Part of me. Dude, you started off and I jump on your back. What you doing this weekend? What you doing? I'm not doing nothing.

[Ish]

I got a bad leg already. You can't jump on me.

[Flip]

Hopefully, hopefully you enjoyed the show. Remember, the baddies insecure. The broke women wants to travel and something else want to happen.

[Ish]

Stagnant women want to travel.

[Melissa]

Stagnant women.

[Flip]

Remember, keep a like Corey off your lawn please, cuz that is coming. Seriously. Hey yo, we up. Appreciate y'. All. Seriously, man. Joe, we love you. Shout out to Mama Faze. Shout out to Papa Joe. Shout out to the whole family. Yeah, man. I love you guys. Thank you guys for allowing me to sit here and lead you guys and trust me to do so. It means a lot. It helps with my confidence. As they say, I'm insecure. Congrats. To Ian again. Congratulations. Congrats. Love y', all, man. Remember, rock and roll lives on in all of us.

[Ish]

You gonna get flea. You gonna get flea on your chest next.

[Flip]

Yes. We love y'. All. And I'm out. Come on, man. Jbp.

[Melissa]

Jbp. Where would you be without the jbp?

[Flip]

Great show.