Episode 853 | "Don’t Say George Lucas Again"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 853 | "Don’t Say George Lucas Again"

Release Date: August 20, 2025

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Overview

This episode features the signature freewheeling conversation style of Joe Budden and his friends—Mark Lamont Hill, Parks, Ish, Mel, and more. The crew covers a broad spectrum of topics: family reunions, celebrity gossip, social commentary, hip hop beefs, Hollywood, financial success myths, and more. There's a mix of lighthearted humor, personal anecdotes, deep dives (sometimes surprisingly profound), and heated, hilarious debates—plus the usual jabs and group therapy masquerading as punchlines.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Parenting & Family Dynamics

• The episode kicks off with stories about unruly kids, challenging the current discipline philosophies versus how the hosts were raised.
  • Joe shares a chaotic encounter with his son at the family reunion, expressing frustration about today’s "soft" disciplinary norms versus corporal punishment back in the day.
  • The evolution of discipline: Mark Lamont Hill opens up about potty-training misadventures, while Parks and Mel vent about their children ruling roost.
  • Quote:
    • "I went to therapy and it changed my view on spankings. Really? So I don't believe in putting my hands on my kids." – Joe Budden (02:49)

2. Family Reunion Stories and Black Southern Heritage

• Joe recounts his emotional and overwhelming family reunion in the South, spanning multiple generations.
  • He breaks down family history, tales of Southern living, and the value of reconnecting with roots.
  • The conversation highlights Black Southern family dynamics, migration, and the distinction between northern/southern upbringings.
  • Visiting the cemetery and recognizing ancestral legacy becomes an unexpectedly moving moment.
  • Quote:
    • "It’s just overwhelming, seeing everybody... my aunt... like, that big shed I put on Instagram, that was the shed for like 150 years." – Joe Budden (31:37)

3. Social Behavior, Humility, and Celebrity in Public

• Joe describes interactions with strangers who don’t recognize him, and how being noticed (or not) by fans in settings like Buffalo Wild Wings leads to some of his favorite humblebrag moments.
  • "One of my new favorite things is talking to somebody who has no idea who I am...and then someone who knows who I am comes. I get to act so fake humble." – Joe Budden (40:44)

4. Current Events & Legal/Financial Issues

• Debate over Jurnee Smollett’s divorce/alimony case, gendered financial support standards, and what’s "fair" in high-earning marriages.
  • Varied perspectives on whether alimony/retirement sharing is equitable—highlighting differences when gender roles are reversed.
  • Philosophical back-and-forth about value, contribution, societal perception, and the law.
  • Notable exchange:
    • "Go get lit. Use that 7,000. Go with this new budget." – Mark Lamont Hill (49:41)
    • "If the court ordered it, then pay it." – Mel (46:58)

5. Petty Hip-Hop Beef & "Omar Gooding vs. Cam’ron" Breakdown

• In-depth comedic analysis of the ongoing, deeply petty feud between Omar Gooding and Cam’ron—detailing Cam’s diabolical "movie audition" prank that led to Omar’s public humiliation.
  • The crew marvels at Cam’ron’s level of pettiness, production investment, and how battling a seasoned prankster backfires.
  • Quote:
    • "To book you for a movie, that means somebody came up with a script. They rented a place… It’s diabolical." – Parks (69:04)

6. Music Release & Cardi B Album Forecast

• Extended, heated debate about Cardi B’s upcoming album, her relevance, projected sales, and the risks of trying to replicate classic tracks.
  • The team disagrees over her "Imaginary Players" freestyle: lyrical prowess vs delivery vs song choice vs fan loyalty.
  • Numbers war: Projected sales estimates range from 120K to 250K+—with Joe doubting the upper limit.
  • Explores the wider challenge of longevity and anticipation after years of commercial silence.
  • Quote:
    • "Don’t take any East Coast Top 34 rapper beat, classic song and redo that... that wasn’t enough..." – Joe Budden (82:55)
  • Timestamps:
    • Cardi discussion begins: [82:00]

7. Concert Reviews & Nostalgia

• Recap of the Chris Brown MetLife performances—both awe and exhaustion at his marathon three-hour shows and setlist curation.
  • Shoutout to improved Summer Walker live performance and Bryson Tiller as openers.
  • Tangent about New Jersey crowd energy and how concertgoing ages you.
  • "Chris Brown has way too many songs and he did all of them..." – Joe Budden (96:44)

8. Ozempic Lawsuit & Medical Ethics

• The lawsuit against weight-loss drug Ozempic triggers a broader reflection on the American obsession with shortcuts, medical greed, and the line between vanity and genuine need.
  • Mel discusses her own experience with weight-loss interventions and perimenopause, fighting stigma.
  • The group teases each other about ED medicines and medical "cheats."
  • "Vanity was at the forefront of them giving the up..." – Parks (154:00)

9. Candace Owens Sued for False Claims

• Mel breaks down Candace Owens being sued by the First Lady of France for repeated false claims—sparking a discussion about defamation, conspiracy culture, and the legal consequences of internet misinformation.
  • "You can’t walk around fucking defaming people... It’s called libel. You can't do that." – Mel (182:50)

10. Debates: Hollywood Legends & Film Critique

• Fierce, hilarious standoff over who’s "greater" as a filmmaker: George Lucas vs Christopher Nolan vs David Fincher, and the proper criteria (artistry, wealth, cultural impact).
  • "Don’t say George Lucas again when I say Christopher Nolan." – Joe Budden (117:17)
  • Culminates in group ranking, playful insults, and cinephile sidebars.

11. Roblox Predators & Child Internet Safety

• Roblox comes under fire for banning a whistleblower who was exposing predators, prompting a parental public safety PSA from Parks and Ish about settings, supervision, and tech literacy.
  • "Go through those parental settings...these kids are more technologically advanced than a lot of parents." – Parks (171:45)

12. Billionaire Mythbusting & Wealth in Entertainment

• Debate over how many Black entertainers are truly billionaires, the reliability of internet “net worths,” the true value of Wild N Out, and how asset selling (not just creative work) builds generational wealth.
  • "A billion dollars is a lot of fucking millions..." – Mark Lamont Hill (200:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parenting & Respect:

  • "You too old to still be competing with your friends, boy." – Joe Budden (08:16)

• On Family History:

  • "If I grew up down there, I'd be a little different. I'm up here perpetrating the fraud... all this New York, New Jersey, Joe Budden, you country. All that stolen." – Joe Budden (38:06)

• On Industry Wealth:

  • "Don't say his name again when I say Christopher Nolan." – Joe Budden (117:17)
  • "Let's get George Lucas out of here. When you talking quality movies, George Lucas is in a nursing home somewhere." – Joe Budden (127:05)

• On Legal Risks of Conspiracy & Gossip:

  • "You can’t just say that is a dude, right?" – Joe Budden (186:48)

• On Societal Double Standards:

  • "When there's a divorce and the male is the rich person, our default position is you get half and this...Nobody will fucking blink an eye..." – Parks (55:03)

• On Friendship-Workplace Crossover:

  • "This only happens when I'm here." – Joe Budden (10:26)

• On Performative Artistry:

  • "Watching Chris Brown perform made me want to leave early and play Chris Brown. He put on a great show. He flying around..." – Joe Budden (98:39)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Family/Parenting Discussion: [00:00] – [08:00]
• Joe’s Southern Family Reunion: [28:39] – [39:00]
• Alimony & Gender Debate (Jurnee Smollett Case): [46:00] – [59:00]
• Omar Gooding vs. Cam’ron Beef: [65:02] – [81:34]
• Cardi B Album Numbers & Music Critique: [82:00] – [95:04]
• Chris Brown Concert Review: [95:32] – [104:53]
• Ozempic Lawsuit / Medical Digression: [151:08] – [160:00]
• Hollywood Movies Debate (Lucas, Nolan): [116:03] – [127:03]
• Roblox Predators & Tech Safety: [167:55] – [174:46]
• Candace Owens Lawsuit / Internet Misinformation: [181:44] – [188:03]
• Billionaire Entertainment Reality Check: [197:00] – [210:15]

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Tone & Style

• The episode exemplifies the classic Joe Budden Podcast blend of barbershop realness, passionate debate, and absurdity, switching between deep dives, jokes, and behind-the-scenes banter.
• The language is irreverent, lively, and sometimes explicit, with lots of inside jokes and hip hop references.

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Episode Summary

Episode 853 is a mosaic of stories, social critique, and hilarity as Joe and the crew navigate everything from the chaos of parenting and family legacy to hip hop beefs and the dangers of celebrity conspiracy culture. There’s a heartfelt look at family and Black history, a dissection of the modern entertainment industry’s billionaire myths, and a fierce defense (and roasting) of favorite filmmakers.

The squad doesn’t shy from tough topics—whether it’s gendered double standards in divorce, the social media rumor mill, or public health fads gone wrong. Above all, it’s about connection, cutting up, and calling out all the nonsense—inside and outside their circle.

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Closing Sentiment

The pod signs off with reminders to stay safe, keep your loved ones close, and remain vigilant in an ever-crazier world. Plenty of sleeper picks and unfiltered camaraderie to see listeners through the week.

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Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Oh, family.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at you.

[Joe Budden]

What you gonna do, Joseph? They look right at you.

[Parks]

That's that up north. Hasiddiness.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. He rich now, right?

[Joe Budden]

Look.

[Parks]

That's that private school that got him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Acting all up in it like that. Exactly.

[Parks]

Big mama said just send him down here for the summer. She talked about it.

[Joe Budden]

Right on.

[Parks]

That straight up act, right?

[Joe Budden]

You don't act. He don't act like that around you.

[Parks]

Serious?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's you, the sucker. Yeah, that's the first time.

[Joe Budden]

Because they usually act.

[Parks]

You sweet water goddess.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Say he trying to snuff the 85. I know Joe. Father tried to kill him. Are you crazy?

[Joe Budden]

That's mad funny to me. I'm sorry, son. I will see if I can find a way to discuss this with y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay? You can't discuss ball kids. And then. Right. My kid is a menace. Meanwhile. Cause you said muffins, and he went crazy. He started knocking this down when you told him no muffins. He slapped that. He started flipping tables over there. Oh, he's a psychopath.

[Parks]

Yo, watch your coach, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, and he likes to fight now. Yeah, he love to fight. That want to have kids. That's. Oh, hey, I'm about to get that, yo.

[Parks]

And little stocky, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's stocky.

[Parks]

He ain't skinny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not skinny.

[Parks]

He a little stocky. You and cbs the cop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, man. Got me booked. That's what he's saying, man. I was in the chiropractic this weekend. Cause he fucked my neck up. Cause he liked to do all that wrestling shit, man. He too strong. Yeah, but now, Joe, it sound like you learned a lesson, too.

[Joe Budden]

I called Sin first, yo. What I'm about to do to him is gonna happen.

[Parks]

You hear about it.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna happen, actually. And that's the gone version, because I called and just was talking to him. Nigga kill you. Oh, these kids. Am I kidding? Bad. God damn it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Were you like that?

[Joe Budden]

No, I understood when to be bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't play with adults in a certain way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Meaning? My parents beat me, though.

[Joe Budden]

Adults. Yeah.

[Parks]

Yo, I was about to say you got spankings, right?

[Joe Budden]

Mine, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mine's allowed me to get beat by other people. Yeah, I don't believe in spanking kids.

[Joe Budden]

Me either. And that's the problem.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They can smell that shit.

[Joe Budden]

I went to therapy and it changed my view on spankings. Really? So I don't believe in putting my hands on my kids.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We kids need their.

[Joe Budden]

But as a result.

[Parks]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he's walking all over me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, my son, he's walking all over me. Yeah, he thinks I'm a suck. And it's levels to spankings. You could give a.

[Joe Budden]

Stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You mean like a light spanking. Let him know you give him a tap on it.

[Joe Budden]

These kids got phones and feelings. They will call Dyfus, the cops, the. The ambulance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look what therapy is about to go.

[Parks]

Buy me a wooden spoon. Told my daughter, yo, you almost three. Mr. Spoon is coming.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he doing.

[Parks]

You ain't doing nothing, bro. My daughter be. She don't really do. She be. Yo, she be running through my girl like it's crazy, no?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You need a disrespect. It needed disrespect.

[Parks]

She'll just take some cucumbers and just smush them and throw them on the floor. You like, yo, fam, what is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you wiling in the house.

[Parks]

What are we talking? Yo, she.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's on every phone that ring, no matter whose phone it is. Yo, who that like? Yo, but you mind your business, man. You don't have a phone. A dollar to get a phone. It's real. I got a phone in my name. Yo, you got to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is mad funny.

[Joe Budden]

This kid is playing with me. You going through it, boy. At a family reunion, it's all nothing but your family. There.

[Parks]

The breakfast table.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, yo, lex, table of 17. Lex, do me a favor. Put that down. No, I ain't gotta listen to you. A whole family. Lucha Records. What you gonna do? Yo?

[Parks]

Yeah, older from the South.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. What? Oh, my God.

[Parks]

He would have became a part of the table back in the day. Dead ass, that's what.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you still have a good time anyway?

[Joe Budden]

I had a blast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On Instagram, it looked like you having fun.

[Joe Budden]

I had a blast. I had an amazing time. I'm the last. I'm talking crap right now. But I had a. Had a really amazing time. It's overwhelming. Overwhelming. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. How about y'?

[Parks]

All Family dynamic?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, overwhelming. Overwhelming. How about y'? All? Did y' all have fun?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Short day.

[Ish]

Short day. That was nice.

[Joe Budden]

Hell, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't want to leave.

[Joe Budden]

Big Dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Big Dog had the Dragonfly out of here. You have no idea, right? They're like pictures. I was on the highway already.

[Parks]

I got downstairs st. Me and Mel got downstairs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice was gone.

[Parks]

I was at the gw like, yo, damn f. That's what you're doing?

[Joe Budden]

Putting the content first.

[Parks]

Yep. Content was done.

[Joe Budden]

Quality control.

[Parks]

When the work is done, then you black.

[Joe Budden]

Quality control.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Boy, I tell you, it was a good show. It was a good show. We felt good about the work product.

[Joe Budden]

I did, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

You have fun seeing the rubber marks on the street? That ice was gone. Like I was going in the pool. It was nice out, too. It was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I deadass wasn't ready. I mean, I was ready to leave here, but I was locked in the house all weekend.

[Joe Budden]

That chair, look. That chair looks.

[Ish]

I don't know what the cleanup job was there. That shit, it's worse.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely disgusting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was Armani's responsibility. We need to. It'll all be in the paperwork.

[Ish]

I think he put some pledge on that shit or something. He was bringing out all types of shit.

[Joe Budden]

So Imani throws something in. Mark spills it, the coffee spills, and now y' all with white furniture at the boy.

[Ish]

White furniture is a horrible idea.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

As someone who bought a white couch.

[Joe Budden]

And some of y' all are a horrible idea, that's true, too. Like them jeans that Mel wore that is still blue.

[Ish]

It's a blue couch now.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that was crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't objectify our colleagues. I don't even know.

[Joe Budden]

Neither do I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no. You're a viewer.

[Joe Budden]

You're supposed to only know from the couch imprint and the blue dye that it left.

[Mel]

I was wearing a new pair of blue jeans, and they were dark blue. And the transfer and whoops.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I didn't know. Whoops.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Whoops, Whoops, whoops.

[Mel]

Where's the new furniture, though? You've been talking about the new furniture, that it was custom. It's coming from fucking Italy or somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's a fair point.

[Parks]

18 months. 15 months.

[Mel]

I feel like it was 18 months ago that he mentioned this shit.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you. Yeah. Then the numbers went down. Then the numbers went down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When did the numbers go down?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I checked the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch your mouth about the numbers. And then we're down.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Bell curve.

[Joe Budden]

There was a bell curve somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

To get to. But, I mean, Mel is right. That's a fair point. We do need new couches and we do. We do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can't wait for you to get them. That'd be great.

[Parks]

Y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Can'T wait to throw coffee on those good old bobs.

[Mel]

Oh, no. We'll treat that with respect for at least.

[Ish]

But it'll run right off the vinyl.

[Mel]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, word.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Keep the plastic on it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Got some grandma.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There you go.

[Ish]

That's actually not a bad idea, little scotch guard.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't the worst one.

[Parks]

You ain't gonna be able to outdo Parks and flip.

[Joe Budden]

Why would I have to outdo my teammates?

[Parks]

Get your face.

[Joe Budden]

Why would I have to outdo my teammates? We all in the same gang. You need to get out of there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thinking you're too competitive. Yeah, you gotta.

[Joe Budden]

You too old to still be competing with your friends, boy.

[Mel]

He's fresh off investing.

[Joe Budden]

I call my brother son, cuz he shine like one. Like anything they do great is still a reflection on me. You gotta cut that out. You almost 50, man. Well, he's not.

[Mel]

I think he's fresh off in best fest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The best fest didn't happen yet.

[Mel]

Oh, it didn't happens.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This happens. You just saying.

[Mel]

I know Shows who's going and who's not.

[Joe Budden]

Another speech you can't give.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Whoa.

[Mel]

Shade is starting early.

[Joe Budden]

Hello, guys.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm here to talk about cash flow.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't about to talk about nothing.

[Parks]

Up.

[Joe Budden]

I can't wait. Body that.

[Parks]

He going Body. You see how you just contradicted yourself?

[Joe Budden]

What? What?

[Parks]

I got him. You just contradicted yourself. You just said isn't going to talk about nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Up to you.

[Parks]

I'm listening.

[Mel]

You also want to see your son shining.

[Parks]

Not you, though.

[Joe Budden]

Wait. I'm joking. Is we know. I don't really believe that.

[Parks]

I'm joking.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on air. No, you're not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm joking too.

[Joe Budden]

You got to stop that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're just contradicting. When is 48 and up. 48 and up. They get into these. Can't joke with this. He snapp. He's sick. Yo, dog. Samuel.

[Joe Budden]

Who that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn that nigga. The. The that you don't want to argue with. Laughing with you. You don't want to argue with that.

[Joe Budden]

And you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And she don't want to argue with you. Look, come on. Clap steals Clap seals. Who don't want to argue with who All y'. All. You don't argue with that no more. After you show, man.

[Parks]

You don't argue with that no more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you stop hating.

[Ish]

Stop.

[Parks]

Stop painting this narrative that me and Mark is running from the Smoke with each other.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a grown up. You are start smoking with that. No, y don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, y don't. You tippy toe around that mark out.

[Parks]

Of tippy toe around him too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he tippy toe around you.

[Parks]

You just want to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't want to hurt your feelings for you to catch.

[Joe Budden]

That's a great way to start. Hey, wait. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't want to catch a history. I know what I see.

[Joe Budden]

I watch now par me for a second, you guys.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sorry audience.

[Joe Budden]

I know there's a lot of y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All out there that think snuff you an investor.

[Joe Budden]

This stuff only happens when I'm here. And that they get long. Great. When I'm gone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they had to take got.

[Ish]

We had to cut some shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We had to stop down. We had want to stop down.

[Joe Budden]

It was significant. Oh, really? See, I wouldn't have got that part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember when the thing happened with the thing and we had to stop down for a minute and chill everything out?

[Parks]

I had to chill out for a second. It got a little turned up.

[Joe Budden]

How y' all turn up on a half day? Y ain't never.

[Ish]

I think that was before we knew.

[Joe Budden]

It was a half day.

[Parks]

That's why Just jokes going in too long.

[Joe Budden]

Look at his face.

[Parks]

Look at his face.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I minded my own business. I was like, I don't repeat shit. If somebody tell me you didn't got me.

[Parks]

Wait, you knew it was a half day?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you think I was here? I don't work the morning.

[Mel]

That's hilarious.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

Yeah, he texted me like halfway through and I texted Joe and that's how we.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was like, yo, yo, Ike. Yo, something.

[Parks]

You in the mail. We in the mail room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, look, we, we. We in the mail.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

I watch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You didn't say tell people.

[Parks]

I. I wash lettuce.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing else. I don't repeat anything. Anybody tell me, I don't repeat, I'mma drop the fries. I didn't think it was a secret. I assum. Didn't I assume everybody knew.

[Mel]

He told me, but I didn't believe him.

[Joe Budden]

He told you?

[Mel]

Wait, not because I don't believe you.

[Parks]

When you man, why did you feel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that piece of information, yo word, yo, you dead ass. I want to know why you feel like a piece of information at this moment was worth intervening with. Who do you think you help with.

[Joe Budden]

That piece of information you didn't even know you did repeat it then?

[Mel]

Nobody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I told her. I told her at the donut. Thing.

[Mel]

The thing is, I didn't want to get excited because I felt like he could just change his mind at any time and be like, nah, y', all.

[Ish]

It'S a donut thing.

[Parks]

Yeah, so that was when you first.

[Mel]

I didn't want to get excited on the walk in.

[Parks]

No, he dropped the donuts on the walk in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I sent the donuts before I got here, which is another reason y' all should knew something was up. I said donuts, and I wasn't even here.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For my colleagues.

[Mel]

Love that about you. And thank you for the muffin today.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And thank you for letting everybody know that I told you.

[Mel]

Well, I mean.

[Parks]

Yo, bless her heart.

[Joe Budden]

That's one thing Mel gonna do. That's one thing about just.

[Mel]

Just Mel. It ain't just Mel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who else?

[Mel]

It ain't? Oh, you.

[Ish]

Oh, she's Rat.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't Rat Pack. Rat Pack is here. I like this energy that y' all on. I was just coming and, like, get in where I fit in. Not disrupt the flow or the energy, whatever. You guys was doing it. But I like where y' all at with it. Okay, just shoot it, everybody. Nothing beats a chat two holiday. And right now save 50. I see the girl was punching the three girls. These the girl that stole out of.

[Mel]

Chanel and Short Million free child place holidays available.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y' all keep playing in shorty.

[Parks]

That's not the place to play.

[Mel]

But wait, did they get away with it?

[Parks]

No, evidently not if we know about it.

[Mel]

Okay, I didn't know.

[Parks]

Yeah, go up there playing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they should learn where to play.

[Parks]

I think Milburn get half of their income from that. They can't wait. Yeah, they lock that down immediately, too. Been there before.

[Mel]

That was brazen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Queer ladies Queen mother, your father, probably your sister Yara.

[Guest Artist]

You know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I'm my wife My niggas like her she been walking through the cry Girl, you put in the top like venom got tight used.

[Joe Budden]

To hook you Mike check, mike check. One, two, one, two. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The rest of you childish br. Give me the sex and I'm tired Philly.

[Joe Budden]

What's good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

About all the rumors you hear? Girl, I know a life soon to.

[Joe Budden]

Be all wait for the ladies all wait for the ladies Whole New York City, South Carolina. Wait a minute. Yeah, I mean, it's the vibe I'm on right now. Just how I'm feeling at the moment. Shout out to everybody. Ladies out there too, man. You know what I mean? Good black, faithful men and parts here you go. You must be some kind of a model.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Enough to make a shopper run out.

[Joe Budden]

Of the C. Enough to make a weak goano we.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Guess what? I'm strongest r out of the bottle. God bless you. When he made me. I mean he blessed me when he made you.

[Joe Budden]

I got a little game too. Shout out to the patronies. All the sub groups out there, all the hay listers out there.

[Parks]

Sean, come here. Listen, listen, listen. I know, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Love you. Recipe, strategy, queens. What's going on out there? Havoc, what up?

[Parks]

I want to hold you and talk to you for my home arranged show there and walk with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Be that one that has served you.

[Parks]

My word to you. I know that nigga don't be doing what he's supposed to do. I got much more to give than homie do and you so fine. I just wanna roll with you. You a queen bitch need a king close to you.

[Joe Budden]

You need a nigga like Pete and.

[Parks]

Just flow with you and I gotta.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Try cause anything's possible.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the parents out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wake up in the bed with you.

[Joe Budden]

All the kids listening out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Body move.

[Parks]

Part of my mouth was just being honest. Boy, I will pick the airtime just to find my body in the.

[Joe Budden]

Kiss, you know what I mean? I'm on some smooth shit, you know what I mean? I was in a rental car with the Aux, you know what I mean? Just letting the chairs play for a little bit. Had to get the rent a car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you flew down and then drove? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Drove, Drove. My flight got canceled at some point. My mom talking about, you want to just drive back home and follow your dad?

[Parks]

Your father drove down?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, my dad gonna take the drive. He likes that drive. He drove.

[Parks]

I saw him this morning.

[Joe Budden]

I said to him, yeah, he likes that drive. He'll take it. He'll drive the whole way. I was like, mom, I'll never take this drive again. All right, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. This is from my. Yeah, I mean, when I was at Club Envy and all that. Yeah, I mean, we talk about O2. I think they know about me down there. Spring street, ask around it go.

[Parks]

This is hard to say. I want to make sure I go about this in the right way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause lately I've been busy a lot. And I know you don't feel appreciated and whatnot.

[Parks]

I used to tell you that your hair look fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kiss you slow and stick.

[Joe Budden]

We got a gray cell line up now.

[Parks]

I Talk real foul and slick?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every other sentence is you make me sick?

[Parks]

Back in the days I was your number one click? Now your heart's half broken?

[Joe Budden]

And that's hard to fix?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had to dig deep inside myself? Cause I can't see you bouncing with somebody else?

[Parks]

It's a long journey back to the place we was? When I was too embarrassed to admit I wasn't loved?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you was my good girl that wouldn't give it up. I can't let her self destruct. Baby, smile.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I feel sorry for y' all kids. Y' all missed this one. This when the club still had dance floors, it wasn't hookah smoke all over the place. Keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe. Mic check. Mic check.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

M.

[Joe Budden]

Mel, you've been texting for 45 minutes, girl. New flip and. Mel, Mel. Mel. What episode is this? 853. Welcome to episode 853 of the Joe Button podcast. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with a few really amazing people. Before I forget, this episode is brought to you by Fueled by Powered By Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang. You to my right, you already know the vibes. Legend, legend, legend, legendary. All that good shit big informalist afford in the building to her right. Queens get the money. Queens flip in the building. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. To his. To his right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if you. If you anywhere near Atlanta, yo.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Hyper, that right.

[Parks]

Do that right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you don't have to.

[Joe Budden]

Just support you. Hold up. Yeah, hold up, man.

[Parks]

No, we got.

[Joe Budden]

We got to do this the right way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Have to do any of that to his right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Taking it right here, though.

[Ish]

Wait, is you didn't put the. The promotion clause in your. In your. No, cuz, you. I mean, you can hit it for next.

[Joe Budden]

One. All right. One, two, one, two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Check me out.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, check this out, y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you anywhere near the Atlanta area. If you anywhere near Decatur and all that.

[Ish]

Oh, now they gotta pay you extra.

[Joe Budden]

If you anywhere near a metro or metro booming, you know what I mean? If you anywhere near Rick Ross's estate, you in for quite a treat, Hawk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Treat.

[Mel]

Ho.

[Ish]

Am.

[Joe Budden]

One of my mans is going down here. This is my man's man's, too. My man's man's man's is going down there. He don't really stop in the A too much. He's been busy in Portugal. Yeah. I mean, the Cayman Islands through The States? Yeah. I mean, he don't be over here. He be in the. The Mafi coast. He being canned and all that, but he's. He's gonna stop down there by y' all real quick.

[Guest Artist]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Grace you with his presence, give you.

[Mel]

A little speech on his way to San Mar.

[Joe Budden]

Let you know what's on his real quick. Somebody get this money. We call them is. But if you're just meeting them out there, want to be in the building next week. Let's go. Stop playing around with. Yeah, you know what he's dealing with stuff. You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You going to be there, boy. Be right there with you. I dare you.

[Parks]

Cut you a check.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not coming down here.

[Parks]

I said call Rashad and tell him cut you a check.

[Joe Budden]

He should cut me a check.

[Parks]

You should.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this getting clipped up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Parks]

What? No, this part. You think Rashad will have this over there?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, those my peoples, man. Y' all have a blast down there at Invest Fest and all that. I just don't want to hear them come here and talk about it again. Listen, Corey knew not to try, right? This year. I told them those my mans. I want them to flourish, but never will they come sit here and tell me about it again. That's all dumb.

[Ish]

I do want the recap from ish.

[Joe Budden]

When again?

[Parks]

Oh, we not going to get.

[Joe Budden]

Guess what? You're not going to get.

[Parks]

You're not going to get the recap.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. Why you act like that with us?

[Parks]

I could give you the ish recap right now. It was cool.

[Ish]

Was dope, man.

[Joe Budden]

N. Don't go out there and let them. Tonight's conversation, boy. Oh, we gonna see it, yo, represent, nigga. Hold up. Jokes aside, you been here how many years?

[Ish]

You better give him at least one of these.

[Joe Budden]

Don't go out there and look stupid after the time. Shit, nigga, go out there, yo. You gotta give him one of these, yo. Go out there and don't get mocked up by them. I'm not playing with him. It's on God. Yo, wrap your hands in the bathroom mirror. Have your hands when you make a point like, give them something for real.

[Parks]

How to lose yourself playing in the mirror while you suit yourself up.

[Joe Budden]

Don't go out there and just off the cuff, freestyle. I have. I had to hit Lennox Mall, yo. This morning was. Yo, traffic this morning. It was crazy. Yo. You better, cuz. Who going? I don't know which one of them other niggas is going, but I'm going up there. My son going out There. Stop playing with me, man. To his right, the Freeziest up more. Mr. Take a first of ice is in the building. Our good brother Dark. Lamont Hill. Mark Lamont Hill. Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Elmira's finest parks is here. Poe is here. Corey's here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. What's up, what's poppin'? How's everybody doing? Good. How's everybody feeling?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Great.

[Parks]

Stupid ass cold trying to sneak up on me. The weather changes. Doing some dumb shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the weather I just told Mel is hitting like 72 this week. You should have asked for all y' all that was telling me that it'll be 90 up until Halloween.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's gonna get another surgery though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure.

[Parks]

Yeah, it ain't gonna stay straight all the way across, but we'll get some 89.

[Mel]

Second summer.

[Joe Budden]

A second summer, I mean it's just.

[Mel]

The terminology for when it gets hell hot. Like around the end of September and you're like, what the happened? You pull out your summer clothes again and then the next week it's 60.

[Joe Budden]

That's a baddies phrase. She a bad second summer. Yeah, she's a baddie. That's what you can say. But people have jobs, so no matter what the weather do, people got kids that's going to school and jobs. The weather could be. Oh my lord.

[Parks]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Joe Budden]

I was so excited. I looked up when school start in every New Jersey district. Check it everywhere else. Every Montclair, Clifton, Paramus. This thing is a fool, right this morning I was checking all them shits.

[Mel]

Isn't it like now?

[Joe Budden]

No, not now. The fourth.

[Ish]

I'm not gonna lie, I need that. I need that shit to come back. The fourth, as someone who's married to someone who works in schools, cuz she'd be my schedule up. I look over, she's still sleeping like, oh, it must not be that late yet. She's still asleep. But she's on summertime, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Make some noise for parts. Getting rim out the house. Make some noise for that.

[Parks]

You dressed it up nice too. You dressed it up nice.

[Ish]

No, I'm dead ass. That should just be my schedule up. But she was out of town this weekend. And I will say it was nice for the first day cuz like with some freedom, ah, I can do whatever I want. But then by the second day I was like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife was Away all weekend. I was. I was. I was okay with the distance.

[Joe Budden]

Really? Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't.

[Ish]

You wasn't. You weren't bored by like the second day?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So my son was potty trading this weekend.

[Ish]

Oh, you're.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's right. How did that go?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It worked.

[Parks]

You did the 72 hours, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

72 hours of work. It worked. It was the worst 72 hours in my life. He was actually good after like 36 hours.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But basically you run around the house naked and just let him, you know, to eat, whatever. But he's a crazy person. And we couldn't leave the house cause he was naked. So he decided to just spend the whole weekend punching me in the face and choking me. And I couldn't do nothing about it.

[Ish]

So he used the potty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he used the potty every time.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he used the potty every time, so it was a victory. Any parents out there do that shit? It works. Just be ready to lose your mind in the house. But I'm ready for school to start.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Cannot wait for two more weeks.

[Joe Budden]

Same. Get these little badass, these little terrorists. Put them back on the teachers, right? Let's get them out of our good homes.

[Parks]

That's why they make so much money.

[Joe Budden]

Money. Oh, my Lord.

[Ish]

Shout out to the teachers, man.

[Parks]

Anyway, yo, that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I don't remember nothing. I don't remember nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's popping?

[Joe Budden]

What we doing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I still wanted more details from your family reunion. Because the thing that I kept wondering while I was watching your IG is who cook? Well, the food look amazing even though you bring them back. But I want some.

[Ish]

That cake pause.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was looking at them. Chicken wing.

[Joe Budden]

That cake.

[Ish]

That cake looks like crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Everything chocolate cake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but what does Joe Button do? I'm sorry, what does Joe Button do at a budding family reunion? Are you just. Do you become regular again? Do you become Little Joe?

[Joe Budden]

Are you Big Joe?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you like. Do they treat you like a celebrity? Do they make you go get. Go out for ice? Like, how do you navigate that?

[Joe Budden]

No, there's no celebrity nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

There's no celebrity nothing. That's a good question, actually. Look at you sound.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's surprising.

[Joe Budden]

Start with a great question. No, it's no celebrity. None of that. You know what it is, honestly, for me, like I talk about up here sometimes, the escalator going up and your turn at each different spot. It's just that now, really, it's my turn to be this on your Uncle Jonah on the elevator. I just think like, one of my aunts. 92 a body. 92 my button jeans. Good. But one of my aunts is like, yeah, just continue to take care while you're doing a great job. Like. Like that. Like, it's my turn to make you.

[Parks]

Feel warm inside, though.

[Joe Budden]

I cried 9 million times.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cried 9 million times out there. But I never said the word cousin, so I don't even think I ever seen so many cousins. Like, I said the word cousin. Like. Like I was a critic. Like, it's a lot of. Okay, let's see. Let me see how I could properly explain this. My granddad. My dad's dad is. Has 12 siblings. Oh, wow.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, that's lovely.

[Joe Budden]

Each of them. My granddad had six kids. My aunt Katherine had. Has seven kids. Okay, Fucking. This aunt has three over here. Hazel has eight kids. They all have this type, but they was fucking.

[Parks]

They ain't have nothing.

[Joe Budden]

They was fucking. And let my dad tell it, my great granddad. No, his granddad owned the land and the farm. So now you got all these kids and you work. Everybody just got. And then those kids had kids, and some of those kids had kids. Mm. I never seen so many damn cousins. And he don't. My oldest son don't remember ever. He don't. He ain't been. He ain't been out here since he was like, seven or some shit, so he don't really remember nothing that's going on. Lex was just out here being bad now eight months ago, so everybody know him. So it's just overwhelming seeing everybody. My aunt and Shout out to. Listen. Let me give shout outs that only matter to the people that was there. Shout out to my Catherine.

[Parks]

Who else?

[Joe Budden]

My Lou. Shout out to Matt Lee. Amazing job putting that together. Cousin Brenda. Shout out to the whole. Just everybody out there. Like, that was just phenomenal to see. Like, to see this event take place on these grounds that, you know, been here for 100 years, where every generation was like, that big shed I put in my Instagram, that was the shed for, like, 150 years. So it's just like. Like emotional. Seeing.

[Parks]

That's so fly.

[Joe Budden]

Less like here where me and Michael Paul on this same rim. I'm telling him, crying, yo, we played on this rim when I was three. That rim is still sitting there, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A triple double.

[Parks]

It was a real rim.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, yeah, but it's rusty and crooked and the backboard might be missing pieces now, but it's still there, though.

[Parks]

It's right there.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't moved. It ain't go nowhere. Yeah, we went. I made all them. Me and Michael Paul take all a picture in front of like a watermelon stand. Like where me and Michael Paul used to sell watermelon for my granddad 30 plus years ago.

[Parks]

That's fine.

[Joe Budden]

So it's all of these things happening. And then I take him to the cemetery. Sunday morning we go to the cemetery. That was my favorite.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I saw. The Moses button.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And that's just cause them bugs was fucking me up. I ain't feel like walking back there. Where them niggas from the 17s walking was. But it was 17s out there now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was Moses your grandfather? Great grandfather.

[Joe Budden]

Moses is my grandfather's grandfather.

[Mel]

Holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, wow. He was born the year slavery ended.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's. That's it. So you got my dad here explaining who all of these people are and the relation to. And we got all our kids there. Michael Paul's there with his wife, they kid like, so it's real emotional. I see him go take the walk to go cry. I know that walk. Cause you might come. You came out of my dick.

[Mel]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I know that walk. So I see him take the walk. I know why you walking? So we get in the car, I try to have the talk. Here you go. Hey, what's going on? You all right? He keep crying. Oh, boy. He was a mess. So now I think we about to add a dad talk like the dad son. Yep. Hey, what's going on? How you feeling? I hate cemeteries.

[Parks]

He don't get it though.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

He don't get it.

[Joe Budden]

Who likes cemeteries?

[Parks]

You don't even realize what you're looking at. Who likes cemeteries?

[Joe Budden]

Nobody likes the cemeteries.

[Parks]

People do like the cemetery.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm not talking about those guys that go there.

[Ish]

No, we're not talking about that either.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm just saying, dog, when you even hung out in the cemetery, right? People don't just go to cemeteries and hang. Right. Like my mom. My mom's mom is buried in the Bronx. She ain't been there yet. Wow. People ain't just going to. It ain't a thing. Like you could say, yo, I'm overwhelmed with emotion. I didn't even know that all of this family was here. And I was deprived for some of this from you and mom. I only know one side. I'm seeing a whole different. But you can say these things. So that's emotional for me now. So I'm watching him cry, and I'm crying.

[Parks]

Question.

[Joe Budden]

Do you want Lex still just bad? Just Lex don't give a fuck about me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Question.

[Ish]

Do you want to be buried there?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Ish]

That'd be fly.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Parks]

You know what I thought of just.

[Ish]

Because if my family had to.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid creative brain.

[Ish]

I'm going there.

[Joe Budden]

I would want, like, my feet to get cut off at death and put them in the little chain for the walk around and then put the rest of me over there. Did you say put it in starlights by the fence? By the fence where you broke the foot.

[Parks]

Hang your sneakers on the fence. Them soccer knees you had on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, that is funny. They could cut half of me and put me in the chain for the.

[Ish]

Well, if they cremate you, then you could, you know, to cut anything.

[Joe Budden]

Well, cremate half of it.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. They can just take a little scoop and what.

[Parks]

What's wrong with you? I mean, if you got enough money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get anything done.

[Joe Budden]

What y' all talking about?

[Parks]

So what, they gonna just have you in a casket? Top top, top up.

[Ish]

I mean, cheaper casket?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I don't necessarily know that I want people looking at me. Anyway. I came in and talked about. Is that open casket. Some American. I don't know if I want people looking at me like that. I definitely don't close my up, yo. Come through. Yeah. And I don't want to make this morbid here, but.

[Parks]

But no, that. That. That family is fire.

[Ish]

That's super fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Super fire.

[Parks]

Like, that's a blessing my. That most people can't.

[Mel]

That's true.

[Parks]

Can't take part.

[Mel]

What year is that?

[Joe Budden]

What year is what?

[Mel]

In terms of. It's an annual thing. So what year is this?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no. Well, this is the first time that we did this on our grounds. Cause a lot of the family's in Tampa.

[Mel]

But you had a family reunion.

[Joe Budden]

They be holding the family. The real family reunion being in Tampa. I don't be going that shit.

[Mel]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Cause they in Florida. And I'm like, that's not fair. I don't care. After 90, I'm making her fucking go to Tampa. Like, what are we doing? So this was the first time the cousins got together and was like, yo, let's on the grounds. All us come. Bring our kids, bring our wives, bring your husband, and let's do it. So they was line dancing. That shit's fun.

[Parks]

That's dope.

[Ish]

Who's on the orcs?

[Parks]

One of my cousins. How the spades game go pop.

[Joe Budden]

And one of my cousins beat up on two. Now, I'm not playing them bums I'm not playing them bums.

[Parks]

You gotta play the fam, though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna be honest. Beyonce.

[Ish]

So they don't treat you like a cyber.

[Parks]

That's all I was thinking. Like, I know Joe and Pops down there cleaning up. Be nice. Nah, N. Down south, be nice.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not going to do that to them, man. The people I used to play against, they not. Gina ain't playing. The cousin Daryl ain't playing. But we had. We had a real good time. Yeah, the cousins took over my hotel. It was just like buttons everywhere I turned. You know what I thought, though? This is what I thought. If I grew up down there, I'd be a little different. I'm up here perpetrating the fraud. All this. New York, New Jersey, Joe Budden, you country. All that stolen. You know how many women out of bag And Buffalo wild wings. I took my ass in Buffalo wild wings. We down south. Hey, Church. And we got a Buffalo wild wing and had a blast.

[Ish]

And they was in there.

[Parks]

Been cleaned up.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, the grilled chicken with the. With the Buffalo wild wings. Got some ice. Like you be rich too long. Some of that poor is delicious.

[Parks]

Yo, I can't stop.

[Joe Budden]

My girl ordered the grilled chicken with the garlic and something else. Pepper. I ordered some loaded nachos or something. Oh, shout out to Black Moses out there with the six horses. Black.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Black cowboy.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, this is just for mingling at the bar. Okay?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You make a small talk of people at the bar. You really was.

[Ish]

Yeah, you were in your bag.

[Joe Budden]

When I get out. When I. When I get out of here and even here sometimes. But when I get out, I talk to people. I talk to people at. From different walks of life.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the dope part about being away, is you can feel you can do that. Whether it's the south, whether it's a small suburb, you can do that. Because out here, you can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

So Moses actually is the second dude I talked to. Long story. Less long, right? I was talking to an older white gentleman named Aaron, I want to say, is his name. Really sweet guy seated, like, right next to me and my girl. We get to talking just about. He's sitting here, so fuck it. We this close to each other, right? And he's a truck driver. So he just started telling me about this little small facts about all of these different states and cities and countries and just places around the world, and we still get to talk.

[Parks]

And he's.

[Joe Budden]

He's looking to retire soon. Well, actually, this is his second job. He used to do something else. Retired from that. Now he's doing it just on some passion. I'm free, and I'm just driving because I love to do. I'm divorced. I'm divorced. I was married to my wife for 20 years. Another one. One day she woke up and thought the grass would be greener.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I said, damn, man. So what are you doing? He said, I'm dating my first wife.

[Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

I said, yo, that's.

[Ish]

That's kind of fly.

[Joe Budden]

That's kind of fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That is pretty fly to date your first wife. Also. One of my favorite things I'll share with y', all, and then we can move forward. One of my new favorite things is. Is talking to somebody who has no idea who I am, I bet. And then someone who knows who I am comes.

[Mel]

That's your new favorite thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I get to act so fake humble. No, I was talking to Aaron. I was talking to Aaron for about 50 minutes before Black Moses, I mean, came in and said, joe Button. Joe Button. No way. That's. Yeah, man.

[Parks]

Nice to meet you.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, sir. I'm like, yeah, man, not chill. Good to meet you. Oh, you want to pick? I think I signed the autograph in Buffalo Wild. For real.

[Ish]

Oh, they got your picture on.

[Parks]

You know what I mean?

[Ish]

They put you up?

[Joe Budden]

No, but the black people in there knew who I was. So the lady over there was like, you got me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's me in the flesh.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm here.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Parks]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute.

[Joe Budden]

What you doing here? You know, you know.

[Parks]

You know, just, you know, humble servant.

[Joe Budden]

Whoever you was talking to, they guaranteed.

[Parks]

To say, hey, what do you do?

[Joe Budden]

And then my act continues in you. Well, today I just broadcast.

[Parks]

Little broadcast.

[Joe Budden]

But a long time ago, you know, I used to do music many, many, many moons ago.

[Mel]

Many moons.

[Joe Budden]

I'm such a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is so fly.

[Joe Budden]

That is fly, cuz. One of them white at that Buffalo Wild Wings bar was pretentious at first. That was another day. He was pretentious. He was looking like to distill down there something you eat either whitey white or blackity black. Not in between. He was looking. Nigga, them niggas can't no say word. That's Joe Butson right there. Say word. That's now. Here you go. What do you do?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing.

[Joe Budden]

What do you do? I'm a billionaire. Various investments. I know. It's hard to tell right the second. Yeah, I'm rich out the wild.

[Parks]

Heard this thing called the Empire State. Yeah, I own that. You talking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

The minute I'M just lying Anyway, we had a good time. We had a good time. Had a good time. Shout out to my entire family. We, we. It was great.

[Ish]

That sounds amazing.

[Parks]

Super dope, man.

[Joe Budden]

Doing it next year.

[Parks]

Chicago Bulls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm part owner. Your racist ass out of here. Crack it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was.

[Joe Budden]

Oh shit. I gotta say bye to my baby. Look at my baby Back in New Jersey. Back in New Jersey I ain't gonna lie, yo. No, I gotta let the audience know hold up now. I gotta let the chill I let.

[Ish]

The audience know Might as well come.

[Joe Budden]

Move up here my listen, Pops, I gotta let. I can. No, I can't play. Let her know listen Although she nags me ain't good ain't letting her go n. We back back here in New Jersey they cancel my flight. They cancel my flight. Columbia Airport. I think that they don't send a flight out if. If it ain't full. Yeah, yeah. So they cancel my flight. We got to drive to Charlotte, take a 9 o'. Clock. We never that.

[Parks]

How far is that?

[Joe Budden]

N. I wouldn't.

[Parks]

I don't know. I know what you did.

[Joe Budden]

I have no idea. They got called the jets so fast. I go into private jets so fast and paid that money. And then I learned that my mom is scared of private jets. Oh shit. Yeah.

[Parks]

Why?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because they're so small.

[Joe Budden]

This one was small because it's only five of us and it's a 90 minute trip. Ain't no luggage.

[Ish]

I have read articles recently about the safety issues that may or may not exist.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. I read them. Yeah. Guess what if it's my time? Yeah, okay.

[Parks]

We reading about cars too.

[Joe Budden]

What the.

[Parks]

Talking about trains. Like. Like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

Standing on the curb.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm worried.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It's gonna be a time curbs ain't 30, 000ft up.

[Ish]

I mean, sometimes I feel like it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. We took the jet back and that was the end of that. But that's good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Go say bye to your lady.

[Joe Budden]

My baby right there. That was all supportive and I love it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Man, he talking that he looks so exhausted. When he got in his sport, this thing tried to start the recording at 9:30. You can't hear me, can you?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, good. Yeah. He was trying to start.

[Joe Budden]

Beat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you look beat too though. Me?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I'm so beat.

[Parks]

You look beat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think the word. What you say?

[Ish]

Too much parenting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Too much parenting. Yeah. I'm over it. Parks don't ever trade places with us.

[Parks]

I ain't going to lie, man. I can't wait for these schools to open back up. I just. I'm looking at the calendar like, come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm ready. Let anybody watch my kids right now.

[Parks]

You can stay home by yourself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your name? Rufus.

[Parks]

Rufus. You got a degree?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Go.

[Joe Budden]

Degree. Teach him some.

[Parks]

You got teeth? No teeth. Some shit.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But when. When Joe was talking, he was talking about the dude that's redating.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His wife. And it made me think about breakups and this Jurnee Smollett thing. Okay. Have y' all been following this? No.

[Mel]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God. So Jurnee Smollett, the actress and sister of one of the great thespians of our time.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesse Smollett.

[Mel]

Are you being circa.

[Parks]

Yes. He's being sarcastic.

[Joe Budden]

Very.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Jesse. She broke up with her husband, who's a musician, and he has been.

[Mel]

She's getting alimony. He's getting alimony.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She's getting alimony. About 7,000amonth, maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And now he's coming back to life of her retirement.

[Joe Budden]

Mm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm like, I don't see the problem. But a lot of people are.

[Mel]

A lot of the. Most of the money that she earned was way before they even got into a relationship with each other.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So. So.

[Mel]

And she's like, why do you want a part of this woman's retirement who's been working since she was a fucking baby? Like, that's serious. That's, like, sick. I'm sorry. And you're already getting alimony?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you good with the alimony?

[Mel]

Hey, if that's what the court ordered, then that's what the court ordered. Follow the court's rules.

[Joe Budden]

It was the other way around.

[Mel]

But after. He's literally benefiting. And that's what I'm saying. If the court ordered it, then pay it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I think Flip would say if the other way was around, you might be less outraged about the retirement. Not her. I'm just about people in general.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let's just stick to this journey smiling.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We kept the show going. I miss you, baby. You out here, man.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'm happy to be here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. No. Cause the thing for me is I'm okay with anybody getting alimony. Like you said, if the court orders it, the court orders it. But beyond that, like, who made the most money? Whose lifestyle needs to be stable? There's debates about what enough is. But I'm okay with him getting the alimony. The retirement thing. I'm also. I'm not okay with it if the money is. If Most of it was made before they met. I think that's not okay, but sometimes it gets complicated, you know what I mean? In terms of when did it mature? How much of your earning potential enhanced by being married? What role did I play in your shit going up? All those things are factors that we have to look at. So for me, it's never cut and dry. And again, for me, it doesn't matter whether it's male, who's paying alimony. The gender thing for me is less important than who needs to be supported. But people to me have been pissed off at him since the alimony, not because of the retirement. They make them seem like a money grubber. From the beginning, they're always bad. When a guy.

[Ish]

Yeah, a guy.

[Parks]

Not supposed to get no money from a girl.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, no, that's just it.

[Parks]

Not you. But that's how a lot of people look at me.

[Mel]

I'm not taking any of this personal because it has nothing to do with me. But the reality of that particular circumstance is that a lot of people feel that. Feel like she married below her station. That's a fact. That is what that is. What does that mean? What a lot of the frustration and the commentary is about?

[Ish]

What does that mean? What does that mean?

[Mel]

It's a phrase. You guys know what it means. Don't play with me right now.

[Ish]

Well, it could mean different things. Some people think that looks are the station, not looks. Got it.

[Mel]

I'm talking about. I'm talking about finances. I'm talking about what they do professionally.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because they're both artists. She's better at it. She's more famous.

[Ish]

Yeah, but we don't know what he makes.

[Joe Budden]

What does he do?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's a musician, but I don't know exactly how he's making.

[Mel]

Like, nobody really knows anything about his artistry, but we know exactly who she is.

[Joe Budden]

Dude's music.

[Ish]

He might got a slap.

[Joe Budden]

Do we know his artist name? No, we don't know nothing about that, Right?

[Ish]

Nah, he might be lit.

[Mel]

Well, if he's lit, nobody seems to know about that.

[Joe Budden]

The actions don't appear that he's lit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, see, this is where I.

[Joe Budden]

My advice is go get lit.

[Ish]

Use that 7,000.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go with this new budget.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he trying to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He want that 12 and a half mil, he gonna be lit to the.

[Ish]

It's hard being an indie artist.

[Mel]

Were they married?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For how long were they.

[Parks]

They married October 24, 2010.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a really long time.

[Mel]

When did they get divorced?

[Parks]

Divorce was finalized August20. 21.

[Mel]

Okay. When was that file?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But she's only 30 something. I mean, she's young. That's a big chunk of her. Of her adult life. That's what I'm saying. It ain't like they was married for six months. That's a big chunk. You know what I mean? And she ascended while they were together. That's why I don't. That's why I'm saying it's not as simple as, like. It's like you marry somebody when you're 50 and I want half your retirement. You know what I'm saying? Now, she was a child actress and she did make some money before that. Again, I don't think she should be giving up everything. But I do think it's too simple sometimes to just look at, like, start and end dates and say, you know, you get X or you get Y. Everything needs context. But the below your station thing always bothers me when people say it because again, like, what does that mean when we say, let's just use somebody like Denzel Washington as a good example.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's married an extraordinary woman who he's been with for decades. Well, we say he married below station because he's more lit. Because he's more. Right. But we're doing that one.

[Mel]

But they were married before he was Denzel Washington.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, Joni Smollett isn't. No disrespect. She's not Viola Davis.

[Mel]

I mean, I'm not saying that she's Viola Davis. And don't. And don't make it seem like I'm the one who's making the comment that she married below her station. I'm just basically stating the facts of what everybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm responding to the people who saying that.

[Mel]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. And to me, I just think it's.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes you don't think she married below extension.

[Mel]

I'm not making an assessment as to whether she did.

[Joe Budden]

You know, we ain't heard this nigga mixtape.

[Parks]

You can say it.

[Joe Budden]

She married below extension this. Which is why. Which is why. Cause I'm in the middle. I agree with everything you're saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And then in real life, he should get some of the retirement fund. But as a man, go and put something on SoundCloud. Get out of here. Kick rocks.

[Mel]

You are young and able bodied. You're an artist. So maybe you should go out and get a.

[Joe Budden]

Go make a.

[Parks]

He's a composer. It says he's worked on soundtracks for major productions such as Spider Man, Miles Morales.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, it was 9,000 niggas on that. That 9,000 n did the soundtrack on that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was playing a triangle.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's a big soundtrack. And it says Reasonable Doubt. Showcasing his range as a composer and producer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a serious dude. He just doesn't make a lot of money.

[Parks]

He got a million dollars from her and continues to receive $7,000 per month in combined child support and alimony. And now he's seeking 50% of females.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rolling her eyes. I love you. Soon as you heard child support, she rolled your eyes.

[Mel]

I didn't know. That wasn't even it. It was like, you got a million dollars, you get $7,000 in an alimony and child support, and now you want 50% of her retirement. And you were married for how long? And not only that, we don't know when she filed. We don't know what the state of their marriage was the entire time that they were married. There could have been, like, a separation after five, six years. We don't know any of that. We also don't know. I'd really like to find out from her how much of a contributing factor to her professional life being married to him actually was. I'd really like to know that from her. I'd just like to know.

[Joe Budden]

This is where I have to interject or rebut what you're saying. And I'm on the same. Again, I'm in the middle here because I'm on the same side. When women do it. Like when women do it who we don't know, and we don't know what they did for a living. If you was married. If you was married to her and.

[Parks]

It'S California and then you hit the.

[Joe Budden]

Lick, then she's a part of that lick. If I get married today, whatever happened in my financial business moving forward, an argument can be made that, yeah, that's a part of my wife or Sade's doing. So I understand that. Damn. What's the last thing you just said that I was responding to? I forgot.

[Parks]

Their marriage could have been in disarray.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait. None of that matters. The whole. Whether we were off or on, whether you left, I came back. If we were married. Right. And you succeeded, I don't give a fuck what we was fighting about at home. The argument can be made that I'm a part of that. That's where I jump off the bandwagon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I think the thing people underestimate, and this happens a lot with athletes, the whole you weren't with me shooting in the Gym thing. You know when they said that about Kobe. Kobe, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But she was doing the meal prep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She was doing the meal prep also staying with him. After all the controversies, that shit might have been worth $30 million in endorsements. You don't get McDonald's back if she leaves you.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? I'm just saying, like, marriage has its own value. When you're an entertainer. All the spreads they did on their marriage and their wedding. And all I'm saying is these things are all. Can be monitored.

[Mel]

And I agree with that. I totally agree with the fact that you can see it on Instagram right now. People who get coupled up and married and shit like that, people. People eat that shit up. They love it. Yeah. Couple goals and all that shit. People love that shit. I totally agree with you that it can be perceived as a benefit in that way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So when you divorce, pay what you owe.

[Mel]

I mean, I feel like she did.

[Parks]

Based on welcome, because California law is. That's why she's getting.

[Mel]

Because I also. Like I said before, I would really. I think that the factors that I outlined matter. I think that the factors outlined in terms of, who knows, maybe she wanted the divorce and he wouldn't grant her one in year eight. Because I know the rule in California, after 10 years of being married, then it's really like half of assets. It gets real fucking expensive. I totally understand that. But if there might be factors that are not a part of this story that are relevant to the outcome of him demanding 50% of her retirement, to me, that's just. That is excessive by what I've heard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just to tie it all up. I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think the issue for me is that when there's a divorce and the male is the rich person, our default position is you get half and this.

[Parks]

And nobody will fucking blink an eye to say, yo, I wonder what. But the dynamic was in their relationship. Was he happy? Was she happy? He might have wanted a divorce. Did she cheat on him? Did he cheat on her? Nobody says a fucking thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

And then people also say, yo, you can't put a price tag on what somebody does in a relationship and in a marriage. So we gonna allow the same criteria to stand for this, man. You don't know how supportive he was in her career. You don't know if he put his career on the sideline to be supportive in her career. And all of those things that we bring up as arguments for the woman when she's the benefactor. We gonna use them as same shit for the man.

[Joe Budden]

Do they have kids?

[Parks]

Yes. Let's be clear. $7,000 ain't a lot of money for alimony slash child support.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good million dollars.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't a lot.

[Parks]

Not a lot of money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a really good point, but actually think about the amount. I mean, I don't know how much she makes, but 7,000 isn't crazy for child support.

[Parks]

Jimmy Butler was paying his baby mother, like, 50 grand, and she went back to court and tried to get like 70,000. I'm off in the numbers. But he was paying some astronomical amount of money. And ain't nobody say a fucking thing to Jimmy Butler. They said, yo, shorty is deserving of that brand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We talked about it in here.

[Joe Budden]

And there's an uptick in her career happening.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Currently.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Right. So don't try to get funny. And now take some of the money, move it to your retirement fund. And now I want in on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's interesting. That could be part of the chance.

[Joe Budden]

I want in on.

[Parks]

A lot of those things happen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. I just need to detail tax benefits to that.

[Joe Budden]

So don't start. Don't. Don't play with me.

[Parks]

Yeah, they have one child just. I heard y.

[Joe Budden]

That's enough.

[Parks]

One child born in Rainy night in Georgia.

[Joe Budden]

We'll do it for me, it was Puerto Rico and it was sunny out, but that'll get it done. I know where yours was, too. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it.

[Parks]

Yeah. Like, I. I don't think anything is wrong. Wrong with what? The gentleman. I mean, to your point, as a man, I don't really want your bread. Just as a. I promise you my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying I feel different, dog.

[Parks]

As a man, yo, when men break.

[Joe Budden]

Up, I don't want your bread. Stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you kidding me? I am not p. I don't believe you. If the money. If the person I'm with, their money relation to me was her relationship to him. Yes, I would want. Yes, I'd want to get paid.

[Parks]

They weren't married for 11 years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Parks]

So, dog, what happened to. Yo, I have a long time. I have to maintain this. Yes, she only 38.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. She was 21.

[Joe Budden]

They was in the military when they got married.

[Parks]

Yo, so she. So she must have married him in her early 20s. So they were together a very long time in her professional career, homeboy need to kick rocks.

[Joe Budden]

Go to dad. Piff, nigga, put something out. Hit the ave. Call Clue, Doo Wop or somebody like. Yeah, yeah, get out of here. Call her my lawyer, nigga.

[Parks]

That's who I'm from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta remember, he's getting child support. That means he's got the primary custody of the kid. If you were married to Rihanna and got divorced. See, your whole face just changed for a second. You married with Rihanna and got divorced, and you gotta take care of the kid.

[Mel]

You're not. Exactly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you haven't been able to grow your career because you were supporting her. You telling me you wouldn't want child support?

[Parks]

Listen, whatever they deem, I wouldn't be fighting for more bread. I'm not built like that. I wouldn't be fighting for more money if I was married to Rihanna. Whatever the court set forth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Parks]

I'm sure it would be more than enough money. My. I've lived. So whatever I understand is going to allocate is going to be better than some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry. Then we want to say patient. I would say. I wouldn't say. I would fight for more. I would say I would take the child support and the allocation. I'm not going to court to get half a retirement. Yeah. That's all I was saying.

[Parks]

Yeah, that would be probably.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I ain't taking a half.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Parks]

I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Parks]

Retirement is what. Give me that, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You going half a fenty. Come on. Ice is black and white.

[Parks]

Ice is like, yo, the law. The law states this. Hey, if it was the other way around, I'd be. And nobody would bat an eye. Yeah, nobody. I'm gonna play this hand. This is the hand I was dealt. When dudes be rich, they be like, yo, bro, I'm not. No disrespect to anybody. And rest in peace, Kobe. Y' all know how. Yeah, fam. I doubt if Vanessa was meal prepping. Like, they a different type of rich, fam. You have maids. You got chefs. They had three girls or four girls, fam. They had double nannies.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I tell you one thing, though. The embarrassment of the scandal. I'm not disagreeing. Is worth that much.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Parks]

100%. That's. I'm not. I'm talking about, like, with rich, rich, rich people. Like Mel Gibson, when his wife was cracking his head, they like, yo, you can't, fam. They've been rich a very long time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they not.

[Parks]

It ain't like she cleaning up the house every day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know who's not rich.

[Parks]

Me, Antoine and Omar pitting junior because.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga, if y' all want to move down south, y' all will be rich.

[Parks]

Not no more.

[Joe Budden]

What currency does in Starlets versus what it do at Buffalo Wild Wings is. Are too holy. Trust me, trust me. Listen, everybody bought my shit not to bring it back to Buffalo Wild Wings. Everybody bought my whole Tater Tot Wild nachos chicken. They paid for my shit.

[Parks]

Who's that?

[Joe Budden]

Moses, the black cowboy. Aaron paid for the first round of the drinks. Everybody got like, I didn't pay for nothing. So when the check came, you know, I put a hundred dollar ten it. And boy, what it did to this white. This little white girl who still didn't know who I was. She was like really ecstatic. Them at Starlets don't give a about your little wife.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They asked me that $100, yo.

[Parks]

Them would be like, yo, I thought you was going to show me love. She was so aggressive. 50. I said, when you working again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Brought me back with that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, I went to see her again. Like you missed that. So y' all should go downstairs out.

[Parks]

I'm down here sometimes. I'm cool, bro. I gave a girl $10 to Starbucks the other day. I might could have got some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm telling you.

[Parks]

Yo, yo dog, I'm not lying. They look, I love when people just be appreciative for gratitude. That is true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but if the blowjob. I know y' all don't mess with escorts and neither do I anymore. That's not true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop, control yourself.

[Joe Budden]

If the head is $10, I'm cool. Do you want the head, bro? Do you want.

[Parks]

That was a joke like dog.

[Joe Budden]

But you got crackhead head.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Before ten dollar head come with no.

[Parks]

Teeth, you've gotten crackhead head too.

[Joe Budden]

She was on crack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How do we end up here? I tried to go to Omar Billy Jr.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let's do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I tried to transition.

[Joe Budden]

Oh wait. Actually now time for my favorite. I didn't know she was on crack. But you be on the phone with them.

[Ish]

You was phone talking with a crack.

[Joe Budden]

You know more about their life than me. What's this?

[Ish]

What was crack like?

[Joe Budden]

She free basing. I had no idea she was struggling.

[Parks]

What is that crackling noise?

[Ish]

Oh, that's crackish.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's why we call it crack.

[Joe Budden]

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[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's special.

[Joe Budden]

I think that the Cam vs. Omar Gooding needs more attention than we gave it for sure. This is the, this is diabolical if I've ever seen it.

[Parks]

Some evil genius shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we give him a little context?

[Joe Budden]

Let's do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So this all started when Cam' Ron on his show was shouting out act mentioning actors and talking about some of the lesser known, lesser heralded actors and he said, Omar Gooding Jr. Now obviously his name isn't Omar Gooding Jr. It's just Omar Gooding Cuba Gooding Jr.

[Joe Budden]

But an honest mistake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It seemed like an honest mistake. By all accounts, it wasn't a diss. You could say the statement was a dis this but saying his name wasn't a diss, right? Apparently Omar Gooden doesn't like being called Omar Gooden Jr. Because he responded with a diss track. Some bars and I gotta say, not the worst diss track I've ever seen from an actor. The best diss track ever. I mean it it didn't sound bad.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, Cam said it. Yeah, Cam agreed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's where this gets a little tricky, cuz actor dude can rap. Who knew that he could rap? Right. So he was on Cam Ash for a little bit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. He. He's made four of them now.

[Parks]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

And seemingly, or at least I thought that Cam was ignoring him and being the bigger person.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, right.

[Parks]

On my time for that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's his thing.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, the Streets turned the narrative into. Cam is ignoring this. Cuz homeboy can rap. That's what the Streets were saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

What streets?

[Joe Budden]

The Streets that heard. Heard this guy. Because not a lot of people heard this. It's like a digital thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cool.

[Parks]

But my question to those. To them Streets is, have y' all heard Cameron this before?

[Joe Budden]

Probably not. Okay.

[Parks]

All right. That's important.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, I said that was narrative, small narrative running around. But anyway, what developed had to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. Even when Trick tricking them was doing this and it ending a different way, they wasn't filming it for the world to see. Cam books Omar Gooding for a movie read. And a movie, a fake movie that's never coming out, but it's coming out because I didn't know you would do all the stupid shit that you did on tape. So now we got to put it out. So I book you for half of 7,500, which is already. This is. This is. What the fuck? So he books him. He comes down, he's in a room surrounded by Cam's people, and they film him. But he's also filming him getting ready to film. So that mean he catching him doing push ups, talking to himself in the mirror, like. And Cam is on another tv, watching and pointing and laughing and hollering.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Run.

[Joe Budden]

Game over.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's over. Yeah, you.

[Joe Budden]

You lost the game. The game was over at that point.

[Parks]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

However, it continued. And then it was a trailer for the fake movie that they dropped and a poster with Cam phase two on it, dog. This is over. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo did make a fourth diss track. That's what the fourth dis track came.

[Parks]

Yo, listen, when you just got money to play with, you got to leave alone, be bored, and could just leave these alone. Cuz you got to think about the money that. The time that Cam took to put all of this together.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

The other people, you got to commend them, yo. Yeah, that is.

[Joe Budden]

You got to commend the Dedication to that level of pettiness.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

But Cam is from a different. He's. It's a school of. It's him and it's 50 and maybe one. I'm forgetting. And Azalea Banks maybe. And she ain't even on that. This level.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

To book you for a movie, that means somebody came up with a script. I seen Omar.

[Parks]

I seen him do the part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I watched it.

[Parks]

They rented a. A place for these.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you got to think about all.

[Parks]

Of that that went into this.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not gonna hurt you.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm doing this.

[Joe Budden]

I got you in this compromising situation strictly for laughs and giggles, exposing this.

[Parks]

I was keeping that in the tuck. Let you jump out the window.

[Joe Budden]

He knew.

[Parks]

He had to have known.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, bro, my thing is, whatever diss Omar Gooding put out after that, keep it.

[Parks]

It don't even matter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a solid disc.

[Joe Budden]

It matters.

[Parks]

It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

This one is over.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, Omar tried to say. And he. Because he went on Instagram right after. And then he also made the diss track, basically saying, like, on. On the. On the Instagram. He was like, I don't care. Basically, like, you gave. I got. You put money in my pocket. You flew me to Miami, you know, whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Wrong response. Yeah, very wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

Omar Gooden is too old to even think that you could get that response off. It's over, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the diss track, he was like, you know, you paying money to watch him get undressed behind the mirror.

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Parks]

It ain't gonna work.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I did. He did his best. I'm just saying he did the best he could.

[Parks]

There is nothing you can do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tap out. It's over.

[Parks]

It's over.

[Joe Budden]

You know what you gotta do. Take your l. Shut the fuck up. Up. Keep on walking. It's C.C. peniston time. There's nothing. It's nothing to be done. Even in the video, his response, he's like, bro, you trying to clown me? I got paid. I got paid. You don't even hear yourself. No. All money ain't good money. All money ain't good money. Whatever you did with that 2700, it wasn't worth it.

[Parks]

If he hit the. With a 50 piece, it's still not good money. But he could take the stand, too. I don't give a. Yo, I went outside for.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Took my shirt off for $50,000.

[Parks]

Yeah. For three. Three hours and got 50 grand. My 3,000.

[Joe Budden]

Hey. Some is down with the emasculation of Themselves. Yeah, like, like, like he got some Travis Scott. He ain't do nothing with that 2700. That went and bought a couple kicks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got shots.

[Joe Budden]

Some. Hey, you can look at him and tell. Typing in some Hanes, set three packs. The went to Target or somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Black joints, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, some long johns. He ain't buying nothing of importance with that 2700. And you know it's bad because on his reply, he said, yo, my friends are hitting me. He said that part? Yeah, he said, my friends are hitting me, saying, yo, dog, what are you doing?

[Parks]

But I don't care. I got paid.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, you didn't get. You know the thing about. Yo, let me tell you something about male friends. We care about what our friend. That's why he's our friend.

[Parks]

When they wasn't hitting what you're doing, they was hitting you. Like, yo, what are you doing? Are you all right? My. Like, we. This is a wellness check. Now, if you.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, as a male friend got you out for. If you woke up, you woke up and 10 of your male friends was on your line at the same time from something they seen on the Internet, it's not a good day at all. It's not a good day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a bad. The thing I didn't understand from the beginning was why he was sniffing out this feud in the first place. I mean, you couldn't be that mad that somebody called you.

[Parks]

I think he wanted to show the world that he could really rap.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good way to let the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

World know you could rap. And that's what it feels like. And it's like you picked the wrong motherfucker to do that with.

[Parks]

He didn't know. Gotta know your opponent, though, bro. Nah, I didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he might have thought to himself, maybe I can rap better than him. There's nothing that could be done here, right? He not a full time rapper. He's on some fun time. So he don't know that you could lose the rap battle from something that wasn't rap at all.

[Parks]

And he also might have thought if you.

[Joe Budden]

If you dissed me, my bad. If you dis a rapper in my day anyway, all right, you got it off. Oh, shit. The bars was hard. And now you go to shot 97. And we parked the Magnum station wagons across the street and you know we can miss. No, guess what the headline gonna say, hey, they shot that bum. Bum off the block. Battle was over, but your record was, hey, you, Mars was crazy. But, yeah, hey, we caught him on the Ave. Stripy naked.

[Parks]

It was coming up 21 twice, and they was coming down.

[Joe Budden]

They took it, took his chain, melted it down, took his pants off, made him walk back with his on sleep. Hey, walk home on sleep. Yo, come on, Jersey City used to cut you a crown, Take it all off and walk home like, yeah, I seen some from a different part of the world, right? They strip some naked on some. On some video from the middle of the country talking about, oh, y' all gay. Where they do that at?

[Parks]

Hey, Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey, Jersey. A lot of places. Jersey City, New Jersey, la. Let me be the first one. Oh, yeah, in la, they do it all the hoods. In Newark, they do it all the hoods, nigga.

[Parks]

And they gonna rip your pants pockets off if you lose the fight.

[Joe Budden]

And went home dressed. Hey, consider it a good day. Yeah, niggas take all that off, nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, the last piece of this, a lot of people were surprised that he would take that amount of money. I think people don't know how little most actors make for jobs.

[Parks]

They don't know.

[Joe Budden]

No, they don't know the state of the economy. And I'mma fuck one of y' all niggas up out there. Talking about Mark working at the Joe Budden Podcast is a clear indicator that a recession is on the way. I'mma fuck y' all up out of here. I don't think y' all niggas is funny, but the state economy is fucked up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is very.

[Joe Budden]

If I could get 25, 35, $4,500, I ain't gonna act like I'm above.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That for three hours of work. I mean, yeah, you're gonna. I know actors that do it for. I mean, I've produced things where you pay for somebody $500.

[Joe Budden]

I was thanking God it was Omar and not my good sis. Oh, my God. Fuck it, Cam having. We got a free trip to Miami and a movie. They ain't have got my baby.

[Mel]

No, they wouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

They got my baby girl.

[Mel]

No, they wouldn't. My biggest question is, where is his fucking agent? Where's his agent? Why didn't his agent vet this?

[Joe Budden]

Talk about it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But again, these were real movies.

[Joe Budden]

People don't want to pay their agents.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a real director, it was a real producer. And it sounds like there's at least enough script to be able to say, here, here's what he's going to be doing.

[Parks]

I mean, and if you're not doing a lot of work right now, yo, he said, yo, here, my nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, Actors were speaking in Spanish about him while he was. He said they were dissing you. Why you doing sitting there doing push ups? Can you imagine? Right. And it was just to read. Right. Yeah.

[Parks]

On the bright side, to Omar, this.

[Ish]

Is the most Omar's probably been talked about in since Baby Boy. Yeah.

[Parks]

In a while.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to be talking.

[Parks]

I don't want to be talking about like this.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I remember a bigger L than this in recent years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Dog cam. Cam is nuts. My yo, you got a warehouse. You hired other. You had a script. You had. You had to lay this out, bro. This is diabolical.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y'. All. Y' all ever have aspirations of. I think about petty. Did I text you this week about some petty.

[Joe Budden]

I want to do Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. If I tell these people what you.

[Parks]

Text me, he's nuts, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a crazy person.

[Joe Budden]

I need a lot of help.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You need help, but you agreed with me.

[Parks]

He need help too. That ain't, that ain't the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You didn't support it. To be clear. You didn't support it. But you, you acknowledged that would be some elite petty to do.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, we're less different than we are. Like. Yeah, I, I, I identified with the sentiment.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

But you was on some. Without sharing too much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's make it happen.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had my wheels turn. Yes. I could guess.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. That's what I'm saying. He had his wheels turning to figure out how to get this done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah. I knew it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Mark want to buy this. I know you know what he want to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to do nice things for the people. But, but do y' all think about like extreme petty shit to do y'.

[Parks]

All do all the time?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

It's not just me all the time.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I believe Mel.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Mel]

Because it's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Based on what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think Mel thinks that long term about things.

[Mel]

These days. No, I don't. I don't have the capacity to ruminate like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking about terms of. I think Mel would respond to some shit immediately. I don't think Mel's gonna plot a two year plan to destroy somebody.

[Mel]

No, I let karma do its thing.

[Ish]

She's clapped back way after the fact plenty of times.

[Joe Budden]

Jeola Grush, you hate bitches back from 30 years ago. Like she hold a grudge.

[Mel]

That's not exactly true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Her memory's shop too.

[Mel]

But I do hold a grudge.

[Joe Budden]

I think the best killer. All that is just Is just success.

[Parks]

Success.

[Joe Budden]

I saw somebody say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sounds mature.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love.

[Joe Budden]

I love when. I love when people learn that I meant what I said. Like, I saw somebody say that and.

[Parks]

Was like, me too. That's a good one.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. All I gotta do is. Is say what I'm doing and go and go move and be on that and that's the end of that.

[Mel]

Or you don't say anything and just let karma do its thing. And sometimes karma's not like evil, you know, they don't end up with a disease or dead or whatever the case is. They just end up, you know, she owns it.

[Parks]

I don't know them just seeing you.

[Mel]

Yeah. And you're doing so much better than they are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like to give karma a little affirmative action. I like to just give a little. Sometimes Patty. Nigga doing the Whopper camera.

[Mel]

Sometimes at that moment, being sweet and nice and kind twists the knife.

[Parks]

It does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Mel]

I get off on it.

[Parks]

That is true.

[Mel]

And I've had several of those moments in my life.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Mel]

Didn't have to do anything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flipp. Are you on my side or the male side? Neither. You're not really a revenge kind of person. No, I am, but different. Different type of revenge. Yeah, but I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I share that with you. Yeah, I get it.

[Parks]

That thought.

[Joe Budden]

Not petty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, my revenge is different.

[Mel]

You're hella reaction reactive. If something happens, you're reacting right away.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You said what, Joe? If Mayo was around.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do you mean, man Was around.

[Joe Budden]

I said you're hella reactive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm reactive with anybody. With any way.

[Joe Budden]

Watch your. Mayo was there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, watch your mouth. Shout out to man. That's my man. But watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

I seen him, but. Yeah. Before he stepped up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stepped. Before he stepped up. And what did I say?

[Joe Budden]

You was mumbling.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch it. You wasn't me show you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking. Chill. I'm joking. I'm joking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm saying. No, no, no, Listen. I am reactive. Yes. Yes. But I mean, reactive people can fall on the other side of somebody being petty to get me back. I could fall on the other side of you. See how you say you petty. Yeah. If I react instantly, somebody could feel like. How you feel? I'm gonna get them back and you.

[Joe Budden]

Know, give me the other side of that coin. Not. Do y' all think y' all could do that to somebody? Do you think that somebody could get something like that off on y'? All?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. No, not with me. Yeah, I think so. I think we all vulnerable to that.

[Parks]

That it depends if they find what you. If they find what your thing is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. If they handle. If they carry it right. Because the way to carry this and not say. To act like everything is cool and then just strike. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And that's how I move. I don't actually do the patience. I just like to think of it.

[Parks]

Oh, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I think it all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't act. I don't. I ain't trying to do no harm anybody. But I like to think about it.

[Parks]

But I got some petty in my head right now, right now.

[Joe Budden]

Fifteen years ago, I'd have been. Been petty. I'd have been petty 15 years ago. Now. Now I can't do it today. Time is too valuable. Fifteen years ago, I'd have bought all calendars, bought the whole shipment.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And gave them out.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my. Is moving off the ranks. No, it ain't. That's me got calendars on the phone. Hello? Come on. I know. See, it's the same thing. Campag. Hey, to be real, Betty, you're gonna spend some, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You need research.

[Parks]

No, because that's the best.

[Joe Budden]

You're gonna spend some. Yeah, that's how you get.

[Parks]

That's the best. I get it. It's a little different.

[Joe Budden]

If you think your calendars move, you're gonna go order, man. More calendars, too.

[Parks]

Now you have to do a whole six boxes in one day, yo. Give me 600 boxes, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a way that you can also. Cause my wife watched the. She and I were watching the recaps of it on YouTube and she had a different take on this. Her take was it made Cam look too bothered. Like, he look like you're too invested in this to do or like 50 buying first two rows of Jah's. For some people, it makes it look like you care too much. You should just chalk it up. You're too big for that.

[Joe Budden]

It's not enough of them. There's more people laughing than there are people saying you go on YouTube. There's more people laughing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's more immature people like me. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's.

[Parks]

That's right. Especially like. Like Kim is in the content world. So.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

This is feeding the streets.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You know what I'm saying? And helping and helping my brand at the same time.

[Joe Budden]

That was some of the hardest I ever seen. I ain't going to lie.

[Parks]

That was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

It was. It was shout out. Shout out to them.

[Parks]

Definitely was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And like we said and, you know, everybody was able to go home to their families.

[Joe Budden]

So. That part. Yeah, true.

[Parks]

Yeah. That's the best part.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What a fun way to.

[Parks]

That's the best part.

[Joe Budden]

What a fun way to be in.

[Parks]

And it's over.

[Joe Budden]

Fun way to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's in the 90s.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. We gave some music takes up here while you were gone.

[Joe Budden]

Unfortunately. Unfortunately, y' all did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What was your take on our takes?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, the little bit I agree would always get drowned out by just some gibberish. Like, I don't know what y' all be doing in my brother Parks when I'm gone.

[Ish]

What happened?

[Joe Budden]

Funk don't be believing. I don't believe that Parks believes what he says when I'm gone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe that's when the only time he feels free.

[Joe Budden]

Cardi was killing.

[Ish]

That's a killing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think he said that.

[Ish]

I don't know if I said that killing. I think she did all right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me and Imani were basically like good bars, not good delivery. Other people said the delivery was good and they thought she came strong. I thought you were kind of in the middle of that, like.

[Ish]

I wasn't mad at it, I think.

[Parks]

Yeah. Wasn't mad at the record.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's Joe Buttons take on it?

[Joe Budden]

She shouldn't do that again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which part?

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that again.

[Parks]

Do what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do the record do.

[Joe Budden]

Don't take any East Coast Top 34 rapper beat, classic song and redo that. Because Amani was right. Even it's. It's given remnants of that because of the flow and the emulation and the pocket and what you. What you did. We're going to shout out the writers. The writers killed. This is not about the writers. The writers killed. I agree with y'.

[Guest Artist]

All.

[Joe Budden]

That said, this is well ra. Your bars are there.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't enough. That delivery, those punch ins, the punches were how choppy that was imaginary player for y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

That wasn't there. Hov when that dropped was a much better rapper than that. It was just fly because of the cadence and the flow and what he was saying. It's aura and voice control. And Carti is in the same pitch, same tone, sounding choppy, not smooth. Bars are there, but this is not the beat for that and to prove myself.

[Parks]

I heard somebody skip it correct and put it on get money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They put it on get money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't Mad at that.

[Parks]

I wasn't mad at either.

[Joe Budden]

Much better on Get Money. The Get Money be.

[Parks]

I wasn't mad at it.

[Joe Budden]

And that's because get money doesn't come with the flow and the aura and sarcasm. It's. It's very different. Let me find this thing. Here it is. That's hard.

[Mel]

Did they increase the speed?

[Ish]

Pretty close. It's pretty close.

[Joe Budden]

The writers killed. I got more. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's only the imaginary players beat that's making her sound like. You shouldn't be on here. Yeah, you shouldn't be on here. I used to have a rule when I was rapping some beats. Just they. You got it. You got it. We don't need to do that.

[Ish]

That's MC like for the culture talk. Like. No, this is too classic to touch. I don't think that she's in that ballpark. I think she's in the ballpark of the hit makers. In them that'll take anything.

[Joe Budden]

I also make it a bop. I also don't think anybody has so much commentary. If this is just released as a freestyle.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

As the second single is judging.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's a freestyle. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If this is a freestyle. But. But, but there's sharks. It's. There's. Cardi seems to be swimming in shark infested waters. Is why there's so many eyes and ears and critics on this.

[Parks]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

Her album is slated to drop next month. We. At the end of August.

[Parks]

Three weeks from now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

The first record. Yeah. Now we not hearing anything but this. Which should be a freestyle. I'm certain that there'll be another record.

[Ish]

There's definitely gonna be another record.

[Joe Budden]

I'm certain there'll be another record release before this. But listen, my take on this. I don't think that they'll let Cardi fail because it's a reflection on them. I think they'll. She'll win.

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Because they made her win.

[Ish]

I also. She's built up enough equity to get people to come press play regardless.

[Joe Budden]

I totally disagree with that. I told not eight years later.

[Ish]

I disagree with you. I think her fans fairly rabid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Joe Budden]

She's out of here.

[Ish]

I think there's 10 people in this room alone that are gonna go press play.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm press play immediately.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm gonna press play. Second to drop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. We shall see. Yeah. It doesn't appear that way.

[Ish]

Longevity is a different question.

[Joe Budden]

We're not on longevity with somebody that's taken eight years between albums. Right. We, we dealing with what it is, which is what do y' all see from her that's giving y' all confidence and this what she's gonna do here, what you'll hear here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For me, it's a divided response on the Internet. Some people, there's the people who hate this, right? Just, just on this song alone. But there's people who are like living and dying by it. People are making Instagrams off of it. People who are making TikToks. Yeah, I think there's a core base of people that are going to. I think this is going to move some, some solid years. But is the core enough?

[Joe Budden]

What does it look like? What's that first See, cuz that's where I'm at. What does that first week look like? What I'm talking about is the difference between 120,000 people. I'm saying eight years on break, you lost 100,000 people.

[Ish]

I think Cardi's doing two off 250 the first week.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I, I, I, I don't see that.

[Parks]

I don't. Two's a lot.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't.

[Parks]

Yo, there's nothing that shows that right now. I think that y', all, y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Are, are.

[Parks]

Yours on your phone. Girls are taking this on. This is all over the Instagram. This is all on all everybody's memes and reels and all of that. So I don't know if that's.

[Ish]

I think you're also staking quality of music and equity and interest from the public. I think that people will go press play just because it's Cardi.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think she's even just that hate on it.

[Ish]

I think people even.

[Parks]

What you saying? Like, yo, the punches and all of that. Y' all heard the punches. I didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I heard it. Yeah.

[Parks]

You get what I'm saying? Like, yo, the average person didn't hear that and the average person not looking.

[Joe Budden]

At them, they just don't know to call them punches. But when they say it wasn't smooth, they're talking. That's what they're saying.

[Parks]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to come in here. But y', all, I saved for 10 years on this podcast. We sleep on how difficult it is to sell one of something.

[Ish]

Agree.

[Joe Budden]

Gunna just sold 80,000 with good music, with people anticipating good music, the clips rolling out forever. However many years did a buck 20 something. I mean, not rolling out for years, but I'm saying Louis Vuitton, Runway, they was everywhere. They needed to be one of the best rollouts we've seen for sure. Like, it's just tough to sell. What did Nikki do last time with that? Everybody? What was up? But it was like a buck 78. 8 or something.

[Parks]

I'll tell you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it was more than that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, tell me what it is because I don't. I don't know. But what I'm saying is eight years in between, your star power is hidden everywhere else outside of music. I think if she asking a lot to say 250 and she drops a.

[Parks]

Bop right after this, I think she's going, yeah. Her first week was 228.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

228. That's about the zone. I see Cardi in.

[Parks]

I don't see.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, hell no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Somewhere between 2 and 250.

[Parks]

See, two things is missing. One, Nikki had a record. I'm not. I don't even want to compare them. Let's move Nikki out of this. I don't see any record or anything outside.

[Joe Budden]

Didn't work.

[Parks]

We can call it. We could just tell the truth.

[Ish]

Agree.

[Parks]

This record here, I think the fact that it's a Jay Z sample is going to make people rush to hear it. Whether you to hate it. Like it. See what you did over the Jay Z sample. Cool. Are there any projections of. Of what this album and what this song is doing right now? Like, did it debut on the chart? Anything?

[Ish]

I'm not sure.

[Joe Budden]

It debuted on the chart at like. And I'm freestyling 147. And then the second week it dropped out.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah. See, like.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't think anybody should be tracking chart position.

[Parks]

I don't. I don't. You know, I don't use.

[Joe Budden]

Should have been a freestyle.

[Parks]

I don't use that for anything. I just. I'm just there. I'm saying that because we're having a numbers talk right now.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

There's nothing. We're three weeks out from this album. There's nothing that they've done so far that's showing. That's sticking.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Let me advance the conversation. I want to stay where freeze is and advance this conversation a little bit. If. If she's an artist that will sell 250 week one, the label would know it at this point and where the clock is. And if they knew that we would be seeing something different than what we're seeing right now.

[Parks]

I still think that's coming. Personally. I think she's getting ready to do. I think the rollout, vanity, all of that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

I think all that's happening for her rollout, I just think it's much closer to album.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

September 12th is fashion week.

[Parks]

September 19th is the album.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think.

[Parks]

I think she got a lot of shit. As we get closer to the album.

[Joe Budden]

You have seen your purchasing power was eight years ago. I'm not talking about your star power.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And times are different eight years ago.

[Joe Budden]

The last time you saw your purchasing audience buy. I don't care what's going on on Tik Tok. That's label moving around and. And you have to get to the purchasing or streaming fan base. But hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold up a minute.

[Joe Budden]

You have to get to those people, not the people that want to play you on the Tik Tok. Put your over here. You got to get to the people that's going to be there. I just ain't seen enough to say that. That she's warranting. 250. I don't see it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

250. What's your projection? What's. What's your projection as of now? What would you say?

[Joe Budden]

Off. Off. Just who she be? I give her between 120 and 180. I'm.

[Parks]

I'm with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean that.

[Parks]

I was saying 150. But if she does 180, my. After not having a project come out for eight years, that's a win.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't think that's.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't think the win is in what comes back for her because I think think the label has their mind made up to distance themselves from. This is all strictly a Joe Button freestyle. I think the label is getting away from her after this no matter what.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are we questioning do that 2 to 250 the first week?

[Parks]

If she does 300 the first week.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are we questioning the quality of the artist though? Joe Cuz wouldn't like Frank Ocean or one of them take long breaks like that and then come back and sell.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Mel]

Frank Ocean was different.

[Ish]

Frank Ocean.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. So we talking about the quality of the artist and. And the narrative about the artist. Some artists are expected to kind of do that. But we can't say is it. When Joe say eight year break, he's talking about Cardi B. The artist people have done that and oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I don't think the expectation she's in there cooking up a Classic.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is a difference than what happens with Frank Ocean or someone else like that is sitting for five dog.

[Joe Budden]

The fact that you got a freestyle three weeks from this album. Album should be scary time.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's a scary sign. You calling the freestyle.

[Ish]

I think this is a. An intentional oop. I think this was. The club ain't really working all the way for me. Let me give it one where I'm just talking my.

[Joe Budden]

Not off.

[Ish]

And then I'm gonna come back with it.

[Joe Budden]

Not off a flop. All right. Not off. Not off. Something that the metrics or the label or the people are saying is a flop. I'm not coming off the flop with. Yeah. I'm not even hit this. No.

[Parks]

And there's that narrative out there, bro. There's that narrative like. Like that's been said for a minute, like, yo, she won't drop.

[Mel]

Because that was lightning in a bottle.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mel]

Jinx conversation.

[Parks]

There's been that. She's afraid to drop conversation. Not saying I agree, but there's been that. So, yeah, for the freestyle ain't the record. Well, not a freestyle, but I don't think Imaginary Players is the record to do after your first single. Hey, I'm back. I'm finally dropping. Here's my single that flopped.

[Joe Budden]

Forget. Forget the music and what the numbers look like. And I'll say this somewhat in closing. I just want to see what the press look like this. You do that. She does.

[Parks]

You're gonna see that.

[Ish]

Yeah. Because she's doing Fashion Week.

[Joe Budden]

Telling me about Fashion Week in hip hop.

[Parks]

I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

She will be visible.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you're gonna see Fallon's actions.

[Parks]

I think you're gonna see some slam. NFL is about to start. If you think you won't see her somewhere along. Like, they're about to use her in everything major that's happening here until that album drops. You're going to see her. They're going to put her in front of your eyes, hopefully.

[Joe Budden]

And if that happens, I'll come in here and say I'm wrong. But if I'm sticking to my theory, which I am. Okay. Which is that the label is going to distance themselves from her. Still.

[Parks]

Don't mean you don't want your roi.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it does. That's exactly what it means. We're not about to build you up knowing that. We're gonna create distance for your value to be high going somewhere else. That's just an ancient record label thing. They're not gonna do that. But they're not gonna let her Lose because it's a reflection on the new people in the building. So it's a slippery slope. We will see. I don't have between 2 and 250. If I'm wrong then please I don't have.

[Parks]

I don't wish you not 200 anything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll see. We'll see.

[Parks]

Yeah, we'll see. We getting there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Breezy bowl. Am I the only person that didn't go? I feel like I'm the only person on the planet that didn't go. You went. I saw again. I'm lifting. Would you make it a concert?

[Joe Budden]

I enjoyed the concert. Let me start there. I enjoyed the concert. My main takeaway is because I went on the second night. I went on a Wednesday night. He was there Tuesday and Wednesday. I went Wednesday. There was rain. So there was a rain delay. And that rain delay was over an hour. So after that I'm thankful for that. Then Bryson Tiller hit the stage. Then Summer Walker hit the stage with normal sets because they kept everybody out of Medlife during the rain delay.

[Parks]

It was lightning. You can't be in lightning, can't be in the studio.

[Joe Budden]

They cleared that so people would just stand. And we have to stand in the.

[Parks]

Anywhere on the levels. Back to your.

[Joe Budden]

Let everybody in. Cool. And Chris Brown went out there and did his entire set, which was three hours.

[Ish]

So we're talking about a four hour show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My God.

[Joe Budden]

He was on Stage still at 12:45am wow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm too old for that.

[Joe Budden]

Concertgoers got there at 7, 6 and 7. Yeah. So I want to tell Chris Brown, you don't have to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know.

[Parks]

Fuck what he talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Chris Brown has way too many songs and he did all of them with the exception of Autumn Leaves, which I don't understand. I didn't hear Autumn.

[Parks]

Autumn Leaves.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't hear Autumn Leaves. And I don't get why he wouldn't do Autumn Leaves. Or maybe I missed it because he just did so much shit.

[Parks]

He didn't do it. I mean, I made the playlist of everything he did.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I actually have the playlist because his set was so long that I was bothering the security girl in front of me saying, let me see that set list again so I can see where he is in this three hour. Chris Brown, we love you. You're the man. And we told Jermaine to pre you the man. We ain't got to do that.

[Guest Artist]

That.

[Parks]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

That's all I wanted to say. Okay. I was so mad I couldn't come to work and Say thank you for your service and you don't have to do that.

[Parks]

What Joe talking about? Yeah, cuz all us there was out there. We were do that, continue to do that. If I was here Saturday, I'm going. I would go again.

[Mel]

Did everybody stay till the end? I didn't, no.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

No, they did not. No, they did not.

[Mel]

Y' all were back.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about the Wednesday night.

[Parks]

I'm talking about the Wednesday night on the same night.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, my mom took video. Cuz my mom is there. She can't stay here till two in the morning.

[Parks]

Your mother and them stayed. Cuz I saw we. Their section was right behind. Like I saw them on a walk out. I gave everybody a hug. They left out when no Guidance was on. He did two songs after that and then the fireworks went off.

[Joe Budden]

That's the end of the show. So people. He did a that last sec section. People left. When my mom left, she was in her car taping. That's when fireworks went off.

[Parks]

Yeah, the fireworks went off.

[Joe Budden]

Off in there. But there were other people leaving. I'm not saying it was a bunch because it's MetLife.

[Parks]

No, some people left because people was putting it on their gram. Like, yo, my, he got to work.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he's still going.

[Parks]

I'm tight. But the rain.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They let on the rain delay, let him go.

[Parks]

You got to think the rain delay took an hour to stay there for an hour.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if this was the first night, maybe I don't have the problem.

[Parks]

No, no, no. They said the first night he did more songs.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't have time for all this Chris Brown.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

They said the first night Chris Brown. Watching Chris Brown perform made me want to leave early and play Chris Brown. I want to go play these songs. He put on a great show. He flying around.

[Parks]

Listen, yo, my four hours of a concert gave everybody their money.

[Ish]

Yeah, for sure.

[Parks]

He gave everybody money's worth. He played all the hits, he played all the smashes. Everybody that I know for the most part is siding with Ice.

[Joe Budden]

You don't have to do all that.

[Parks]

I've been to shows where hurt. I was like, damn, yo, they ain't do this.

[Joe Budden]

They ain't do this.

[Parks]

They ain't do this. Yeah, like. Like the set felt short. I've been to shows where somebody gave you a half an hour, 40 minutes, an hour set, dog. It's the same thing with this album, Chris.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We.

[Parks]

We're expecting longer than normal. Pause.

[Joe Budden]

Because this is the 20 year anniversary.

[Parks]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

This is a 20th anniversary in this breezy book in stadiums. Yeah. You don't have to do that. Yo, even in just thinking about the artist, right? Like in normal artist language, you wouldn't do that. He doing some alien.

[Parks]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Budden]

So he should be credited for that. But most vocalists, like, I'm in the back, I'm backstage, I'm talking to the people about what he's going through just for his voice with his tea regimen and this or whatever he's doing to maintain his voice. I think the mic went out or the T wasn't near the first night he was mad about. So three hours and the course of this tour. Somebody would normally advise against this, against that.

[Parks]

That's true. Well, he's doing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you think a good show should stop short of three hours?

[Parks]

Nah, he's doing it right though. If you pay attention, it's. It's TV track. But what's like the level of above a tv?

[Ish]

No TV track is.

[Parks]

But it's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Parks]

It's not your usual TV track. Like, it's. It's more.

[Ish]

It's a TV track with more vocals.

[Parks]

Yeah, there we go. What's a TV track for the people.

[Ish]

They take out the leads and you just do that. But the backgrounds are still in there. So it still sounds like the record. Feels like the record.

[Parks]

Oh, God. He's not for me.

[Joe Budden]

He's doing more dancing than singing.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Which is what's making me say I can go to listen to these. Right? Because I know these songs and the performance and the dancing is immaculate. So awesome. I'm not knocking it, but it's not what you want.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I'm there for the song. Some. The song, like the live rendition. He can't. He back flipping and flying, but he can't.

[Parks]

He can't get up there.

[Joe Budden]

And you can't do that if you plan on doing a three hour show every night. Every.

[Parks]

He picks and choose the records. Not just that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My.

[Parks]

He put 82,000 people in that building two nights in a row. Niggas don't want to go there and hear you sit on a motherfucking stool and sing. Want a show. Niggas want a show. My nigga like, so his show is carrying the word for everybody else in the next cities to be like, y' all heard the show was amazing. I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. He's self promoting his own tour, but.

[Joe Budden]

The show was great.

[Parks]

Show was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Show was great.

[Parks]

Yeah, I like it.

[Joe Budden]

I want to shout out Summer Walker her show has dramatically improved. We know about all of the. All of the critiques that came with her earlier performances live. She did great. Shout out to Bryson. Everybody did great. It was a good energy in the building. Good vibe. Yo, that's the other thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Parks]

Shout out to the dj.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Shout out to the dj. Chris Brown performed three hours of songs and at some point the DJ came out out to and brought him out to do all the songs that wasn't on the list.

[Parks]

DJ came out and was like, yo, I'm gonna do a set of records that he's not performing. So he just started doing that now.

[Joe Budden]

I enjoyed that because his new record is there. So that's my song. So he did the new record during that.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, the second during that DJ.

[Joe Budden]

Set is what I'm saying. And these things have to happen because he did so many outfit changes. Bryson.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

He did so many outfit changes. So yeah, we got to get this.

[Parks]

They need a break. But it was a lot.

[Joe Budden]

It was a lot. That's a lot of 11.

[Parks]

11.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You perform when you performed, right? Wasn't it? You performed for a long time.

[Joe Budden]

This is just going to lead to Joe Button performance jokes. Yeah, we say that. But as I was watching the show, I was like, yo, I've performed here, like. And even that 15 minute set that we had in some of your 10 minute. Whatever it was, we was a little tired.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Big ass stage.

[Joe Budden]

Having to control and command that much stage.

[Parks]

A little different, though.

[Joe Budden]

But that's my point. Like, Chris Brown is in tremendous shape. Chris Brown is in tremendous shape to be able to do the things that he was doing also. Stupid ass Internet fans. I'm at the show. I laughed when he did the couch scene on top of the girl. And when it got to the Kiss party, cut the camera off. Look what y' all did. Internet. You it up. You it up now. Trying to tape them and make him look like a creep kissing on the girl. You damn right I'm kissing on the girls. And cut the camera off while I get this kiss off. Oh, my God. Good show. Good show nonetheless. Good show nonetheless.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got the breezy yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No shout out to Chris Brown.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I wanted to try and hang out backstage after the show, but I will be 45 years old. I looked at the clock.

[Parks]

He lined it out that soon as the show.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm looking at the set list. I'm like, I want to see fine china. I don't care about the rest, but I want to see fine China. This do one verse of Fine china, I think, man. Maybe. And I want to shout out New Jersey. I ain't going to lie. I want to shout out New Jersey.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's weird.

[Joe Budden]

Seeing it. Seeing it. You could rep it and say, I'm from here. So New Jersey, New Jersey. But seeing New Jersey pop out top to bottom, just two nights, all these different hoods, we did it for Tyler. Anytime Jersey is a nice stop for you artists that's doing that. When Travis came here, it was a movie.

[Parks]

Well, the thing is, they ain't got no. Well, they got, what, Citi Field over there, but they ain't doing no concerts there. Yeah, ain't no stadium.

[Joe Budden]

If you.

[Parks]

If you hit stadium status, you got to come to Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Jersey showed up and showed out, and Ops was up in there. You know, I mean, we going. We going to get to Freddy and Benny seeing each other at the airport. But the Chris Brown concert is. Is.

[Parks]

Everybody was there.

[Joe Budden]

Your op was there.

[Parks]

Everybody was there.

[Joe Budden]

Now what you going to do? Do when residuals is on sing and he's right next to you just singing harmony. Get boys to men like he's singing, too.

[Parks]

You talking about everybody was in there singing.

[Joe Budden]

Snap the out of you. But build you up. Build you up this time going all the way. I'm see you tell me who going to shoot you.

[Ish]

I will say the four concerts I've been to MetLife this summer, maybe it's only three. Whatever it was, it was pretty smooth getting in and out. So I do want to give y' all props for that.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you got. Got a shout. I got a shout. Jersey was strong in that building.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout the Jersey a bunch of.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of fat. That's the thing, see, to appeal, you don't think that you're selling out MetLife without fat. Dude, you.

[Parks]

I don't think you're a male R B artist on the planet with that level of accolades.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The fat girls is coming outside heavy.

[Parks]

Speaking of. Speaking of.

[Joe Budden]

But listen, I was giving you both sides.

[Parks]

Hold up. You remember Club Cayenne?

[Joe Budden]

Club Kanye?

[Guest Artist]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You remember?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

You thought you had a friend.

[Joe Budden]

I did. I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the other side?

[Joe Budden]

Other fat. No, the baddies was there too. Now. Butt, ass naked.

[Parks]

Yes, they was.

[Joe Budden]

They was naked. They didn't open the weather app. Cuz when I was outside waiting on.

[Parks]

My tickets show, they didn't.

[Joe Budden]

It was. It was storming on this almost like some Nickelodeon. Oh, my gosh. Her ass was out.

[Parks]

Tit was out. They was.

[Joe Budden]

I'm watching from the window, but not too much now gonna move my baby. But yeah, dirty foot having wet T shirt. The T shirt is cool, but you're a foot guy, so you gotta look at foot was turning green like the Hulk in the water, you know? You know, start changing color. Some of the baddies fungi. The baddies be lying, so I can't get wet my head. No, you metamorphosis. These get wet and it's not the good wet the other way. Anyway.

[Parks]

Oh, man, this guy's a.

[Joe Budden]

It start melting. Anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Did y' all peep that Justin Bieber concert?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Concert.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, the fake Justin Bieber?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I did see that. I did see that In Vegas, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, dude just like, busted out, scammed the club, right?

[Joe Budden]

Got paid, was doing songs.

[Ish]

I don't like that. It was only 10 grand.

[Parks]

We ain't gonna command you, the fake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's Justin Bieber.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but he probably owe Justin Bieber. He probably.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, in Vegas, Omar Gooden Jr. Get five.

[Joe Budden]

You. Yeah, exactly. He got three. Called him Junior.

[Parks]

Watch out. Give you some bars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't, right?

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just joking.

[Parks]

N. That Justin Bieber was hilarious, though. Like, he was going crazy up there too. He was doing the thing. Yeah, he was performing, man, get our 10 bands, man. Fake Elvis, Fake Michael, Fake everybody else get a bag. Let fake Justin get some more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, you going to see Fake Elvis and fake Michael.

[Parks]

That is true. I be g. If I they didn't know, like, he was just in the spot. You think the people not know that the real Justin Bieber don't command more than $10,000?

[Mel]

There's that, but also like, the entourage of people that he comes with, the people that represent him.

[Parks]

It wasn't like he was. He had a booked show. The was in the club and you know how some. Some be in the club and. Yo, give me the mic.

[Mel]

Got it. Got it.

[Parks]

It was one of those.

[Mel]

That is different. I could see how he'd get that off.

[Joe Budden]

He got them.

[Parks]

Why they paid him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell them I want ten grand for me to do performance.

[Joe Budden]

I go up.

[Parks]

I'll go up there real quick. Yo, give me 10. I'll go do it right now. Right now.

[Joe Budden]

They'll do it.

[Parks]

Well, he performed it, G. 10. He earned it. Y' all said he kill.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I saw a weapon.

[Mel]

I was about to say, do you want to do the weapon? We've all seen it now.

[Joe Budden]

Did go and see weapons.

[Parks]

You still ain't see it. Skip, if you didn't we here.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Did you or did you watch the whole movie?

[Joe Budden]

No, I stayed away throughout all the movie. Okay.

[Parks]

One to ten. Cause your face don't look that promising.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, six and a half. Okay, six and a half. It was white sinners. Tell me the difference.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I haven't seen it so.

[Mel]

Well, vampires. That's the difference. I mean, that was a huge part of Sinners.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mel]

A huge part of sex.

[Joe Budden]

And these people were what?

[Mel]

We don't know what.

[Joe Budden]

But they turned. But they turned. It turned. They turned into something, right?

[Mel]

They turned into something. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You ever smell white people when it rains?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Like, do you think that what the black. What? What? What the black interpretation interpolation was would show the same thing that the white exploitation would show? They turned into something, is what I'm saying.

[Mel]

They did turn into something. We don't.

[Joe Budden]

And you had to let them in.

[Mel]

Mm, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Am I off?

[Mel]

I felt like there was a.

[Joe Budden]

Stop me when I'm off. You had to let them in and these white people in this town and these children. Because in the white version of Sinners, it's gonna be kids and there's gonna be no music. It's gonna be bland. They turned into some shit. Everybody got fucked up. I love the different point of views. I love the different point of view, but in Sinners, it was the two brothers, and this one is my girl from Ozark who I love.

[Mel]

Julia Garner and Josh Brolin.

[Parks]

Yeah, Thanos.

[Mel]

Josh Brolin.

[Joe Budden]

I'm bad with the names.

[Mel]

I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

I, I. It was cool. I love the different point of view, so. But it was white sinners to me, which explains.

[Parks]

I didn't get that at all.

[Mel]

I mean, neither did I. Not even a little bit.

[Parks]

Girl name. Aunt. What was her name? Agnes or some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever.

[Ish]

Yeah, whatever her name.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Glattus.

[Mel]

Glad.

[Joe Budden]

Glattus Lattice.

[Parks]

Yeah. That's a black name.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This one, it was just a witch.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was a witch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I didn't. I didn't get black sinners. I'm white sinners out of that one.

[Joe Budden]

Cool flick, man. Cool flick.

[Ish]

What is a. A 8 or 9 in your book?

[Joe Budden]

Are y' all of the impression that some of the saws are horror? Yes, all of them are horror.

[Parks]

SS are few of them saws are amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Excellent.

[Parks]

Final Destination. Well written. The plot.

[Joe Budden]

Not for me. I come from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Return of the Living Dead. Some of the Freddy's, some of the Jason's. Pinhead. The Shiny.

[Parks]

Yo, that Hellraiser. That first Hellraiser. That. That first Hellraiser.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Children of the they don't make movies like that.

[Parks]

That's how I feel about the first song. It was just one for me. That. What's the. I told you, I was at a chick house.

[Mel]

Hostile.

[Parks]

Hell no. And Paranormal Activity came on.

[Joe Budden]

First one. The Ring.

[Parks]

Paranormal. I'll holler at you. Conjuring.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even want no box.

[Parks]

They got the last one coming up.

[Mel]

Yeah, there's scary, like jump scares and then there's horror where it's gore. It's like a gratuitous.

[Ish]

I like weapons. Add a little bit of all of it.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Seven A horror flip quick.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Mel]

It's a psychological.

[Parks]

Very good movie.

[Joe Budden]

Very good movie. Is one of the greatest movies ever.

[Parks]

Very good. Very well written movie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I come from real horror, man.

[Parks]

This just real movies.

[Joe Budden]

These today. They don't know horror, dude.

[Mel]

Okay.

[Parks]

I have.

[Mel]

I have a question, though, about the end of the movie.

[Joe Budden]

Huh.

[Mel]

So when she died, the spell broke.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mel]

So to speak. But they said only some of the kids have started talking again. And then the little boy had to go live with another aunt because his parents stayed catatonic. But Josh Brolin, who was strangling Julia Garner at the time, he immediately snaps out of it. That's the part I didn't get. I was like, so who stays affected by this shit?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The kids and the parents been under that trend for a long amount of time.

[Mel]

Okay.

[Ish]

It could be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So. Yeah.

[Ish]

It also could be that they were standing in front of a ripped apart old lady when they came back to being.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mel]

But the end voice made it seem like time goes on. So Alex goes and lives with another. With his aunt and whatnot. So. And some of the kids are starting to talk. And I was confused.

[Joe Budden]

See, some of that is what made it whack to me. The whole class got missing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Guest Artist]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's one kid that showed up to work. Let's press this in n. They did. They did. Not soon enough. Not soon enough. Because if you press him and just watch him, as it turns out, that's where all the kids is at. We don't need a whole movie. That one house that y' all was. That we seen.

[Mel]

But you saw what happened.

[Joe Budden]

I saw what happened.

[Mel]

She was just like. She. The parents started gouging their faces out with forks. And he. She was just like, I can make them eat each other. Don't say.

[Parks]

Don't you say a word.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't know if you say a word, nigga. The kids is right there. It took the cops a mighty long time to Fucking get to. Let's get to it. We know where the kids is at.

[Parks]

Let's go in the small town. But you see what happened to those cops going in. As soon as somebody find out, wrap em up. Poke the finger now you under my spell.

[Joe Budden]

And as soon as people got in there, then the climax was fast for me at the end. But it was cool cause of the different points of views. If they don't do all those points of view. We wrapped this movie up in 30 minutes.

[Ish]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just around here.

[Joe Budden]

And it was a long. It was kind of a long movie.

[Ish]

It's two hours.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Two hours.

[Joe Budden]

Change two hours and change two hours. Like 15 minutes. They don't even make movies like that no more. This long.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The gist here was like people said like seven out of ten. Eight out of ten. What? What was yours?

[Parks]

He said a six.

[Mel]

He said six. Six and a half.

[Ish]

I love that.

[Parks]

Yeah, I like it.

[Joe Budden]

I like it a lot too. I'm also known on his podcast for having the absolute worst movie reviews ever. So I don't expect the public review to line up with my. I'm a weirdo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got you.

[Ish]

You want to get to the smoker?

[Joe Budden]

Let's get. I was about to say let's get right to smoke. We was talking about Journey Smollett.

[Ish]

Let's talk about six and a half.

[Parks]

It was a six and a half to you?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Joe likes it.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, he's talking about the finale.

[Ish]

I love the show. Listen, man, anytime you go with the fight club ending, it's already been done.

[Joe Budden]

Fight Club. I hate it when they did 10 movie.

[Parks]

That's a 10.

[Ish]

That's a 10.

[Parks]

That might be a 12. 10.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never seen anything.

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Wait, you never saw a fight club?

[Parks]

That's get homework, yo. That's your homework. No, he fight club. But he not really the movie dude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I never saw a fight club.

[Parks]

He's never seen a lot. We understand the football dude.

[Joe Budden]

He got a lot of football opinions. You never saw a fight club. You saw Devil's. It's a good book.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw Devil's.

[Joe Budden]

Have you seen Heat? Have you seen Casino?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Good fellas.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of course.

[Parks]

Color Purple.

[Mel]

That's not really Purple Rain.

[Joe Budden]

Star Wars. Star wars can get the out. I've never seen Star Wars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch him out by Star Wars.

[Joe Budden]

You watch Star Trek? Watch Star Trek. No. No, I didn't. We. We not under for 10 years. I kicked the back end of some of these people. Star wars is the movie version of the Beatles. No, the Beatles are good.

[Parks]

Star Wars Was good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was. Star wars came out with my nigga.

[Parks]

You think Star wars over Raider?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You think is.

[Ish]

I'm not a Star wars guy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've seen like the first couple Star.

[Parks]

Wars in the early 80s. That was something fire.

[Joe Budden]

Who directed them shits? George. We never heard from him again. Once Christopher Nolan, 18.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Once Christopher Nolan turned 18. I ain't heard a peep about George Lucas.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did. Wait, when Phantom of the Menace, all that. That came out.

[Joe Budden]

Mouth, Joe, we understand that. That's not my argument. That's not my argument.

[Mel]

You have heard of it.

[Joe Budden]

We understand that Jordan Peele is rich. We come in here and kick his movies down the back and all.

[Parks]

Jordan Pill is a welfare case compared to.

[Joe Budden]

All right, give me some more Phantom of the Opera. All right, what else he did? What else?

[Parks]

Star wars has a. I need more than that. Has a cult.

[Joe Budden]

I. I need more than that. What else he did?

[Ish]

Indiana Jones.

[Parks]

Came up with Indiana Jones.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't say his name again when I say Christopher Nolan.

[Ish]

Oh, no, that's.

[Joe Budden]

Do me a favor. When I say Christopher Nolan, don't mention George Lucas to me. If y' all saying. What did y' all say? Feel the dreams. What did y' all say? You better pull up Christopher Nolan. Don't say George Lucas name again.

[Parks]

I'm keeping a buck with you. I did just pull up Christopher Nolan. No, no, no, I pulled up Lucas. Listen, outside of Star wars, pull up Christopher Nolan.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't got to do that. So how come when I keep saying the God Christopher Nolan, they keep telling me about Star Trek.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't need to make nothing else. Star wars is what it is. The Enterprise, billions of billions of dollars. He doesn't need to make anything else.

[Parks]

50 years about what they made. Talking about good movies.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think. And this may be a Joe Button hot take. When Christopher Nolan name come up, George Lucas can go sit down.

[Parks]

A lot of can go sit down when his name come up.

[Joe Budden]

George Lucas, go sit down. I don't give a.

[Parks]

What Batman Begins, the Prestige, the Dark Knight, Inception, Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, Dunkirk. Stop it, Tenant Oppenheimer, you give momento. I said, oh, you did My bad.

[Joe Budden]

Stop.

[Parks]

I started with my mental. His first one is first follows too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Chris Vanola is lit.

[Parks]

But you leave that alone.

[Joe Budden]

Don't be disrespect. Don't say George Lucas Dave again. Don't say nothing wrong with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but George Lucas paved the way for these.

[Parks]

Yo, let me ask you. That's a run Right there. Let me ask you a question. God damn. Go look up his network worth.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about that.

[Parks]

We talking about.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about quality work. You always want to get to the.

[Parks]

I don't care about that. I'm just telling you because it's caked up.

[Joe Budden]

So what?

[Parks]

He's more than caked up.

[Joe Budden]

That's still not what we talking about.

[Parks]

Two ways to look at this. You can sit in your room and be the best, most lyrical miracle. Nobody can outrap you.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's. Or.

[Ish]

Or that's not the.

[Joe Budden]

That's not.

[Parks]

That's not the equivalent here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

No, it is.

[Parks]

What's the difference?

[Ish]

George, Chris Nolan is not broke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And people know. It ain't like don't know you like.

[Ish]

You can say yeah, there's richer rappers, but he's not poor.

[Parks]

And he has a run of platinum. And in your equation, Nolan has a run of multi platinum albums over here. Cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he's doing classics.

[Parks]

George Lucas is worth $5.3 billion and.

[Joe Budden]

Should not be mentioned with Christopher Nolan in life, based off of what you write, based off the movies, based off your movieography.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He built an enterprise and he was able to. It was able to last over 50 years. I get it.

[Joe Budden]

He did Indiana Jones and all that. No, Star wars is pretty damn good.

[Ish]

RoboCop is way more fire than what, bruh? I love RoboCop. RoboCop is fire. I'd rather watch RoboCop than Star Wars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who made RoboCop?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

RoboCop has one of the best sequels ever made.

[Mel]

Christopher Nolan's net worth is estimated at $250 million dollars.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mel]

His movies have grossed over $6.6 billion worldwide. However, George Lucas is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go man. Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Five point disrespected.

[Mel]

So how much is his movies grossed?

[Joe Budden]

It.

[Mel]

I. It's probably.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You know what happens.

[Parks]

All jokes aside, you know what happens. It's like the.

[Joe Budden]

How to hear about these old. That had it.

[Parks]

It's like talking about that love wrestling.

[Joe Budden]

That's a cult.

[Parks]

Star wars have a cult, bro. For sure. Them shits come out. They wearing costumes on the block and I respect it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a loot with a lightsaber.

[Parks]

If I could put out a movie every four years and make what y' all putting out. Busting y' all ass. Putting out 17 movies in four years.

[Joe Budden]

Is you holding on to 80s glory today.

[Ish]

That's is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all he got to do. Today, Today.

[Joe Budden]

If. If you. If you are any of the big, big production homes, it's a different reception when Christopher Nolan walks in.

[Ish]

I'm also okay with the 250.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool. How old is George Lucas?

[Mel]

George Lucas.

[Ish]

80 something.

[Parks]

Old as.

[Mel]

He's 81. He's 81, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Respectfully, how old is Christopher Nolan?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

60 something. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Respectfully. Come on, don't do that again. Don't say nothing about George Lucas when I'm talking about Chris.

[Ish]

Smoke, man. Let's get the smoke.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm a little bit with you. I'm a little bit with you. I still enjoyed it. It was cool.

[Parks]

It was cool.

[Joe Budden]

I enjoyed the Smoke finale. But.

[Ish]

Six and a half.

[Joe Budden]

It could have. They left. They left a lot of doors open for season two.

[Parks]

That's what I'll say.

[Joe Budden]

I thought they would. I thought they would close more stories than they did and they kind of robbed us of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She don't want to hear.

[Joe Budden]

What have you been doing with your weekend?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Press your ears like this so you.

[Joe Budden]

Can hear it, man. What you've been doing with your time.

[Mel]

I had high anxiety this weekend, so I watched that I've already seen before because I can predict the end.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Smoke.

[Joe Budden]

Mel begins.

[Parks]

Oh, say it again one more time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said getting smoked.

[Mel]

He said getting smoked might have reduced my anxiety.

[Joe Budden]

Instead, I watched your summer is summer in girl. Anyway.

[Parks]

Ms. Sloan.

[Mel]

Ms. Sloan. Yep. With Jessica Chastain.

[Ish]

I've never seen it. That's your. That's your comfort woman.

[Mel]

You guys would love it. You guys would love me, I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

Back to Smoke. They spent a lot of time with that whole everything is on fire scene.

[Ish]

That took away that whole into the woods.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That took away 25 minutes of this. I'm like, y' all not about to close. What? Y' all need to close. Yeah. At all, Shorty. A spoiler alert. So leave or hit the little 15 second skip button.

[Ish]

They fight Club Dust, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah, they fight Club dust.

[Joe Budden]

I hate.

[Ish]

I hate it when Shutter Island Fight Club does Shutter island.

[Joe Budden]

Another. Nine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nine.

[Joe Budden]

What, you didn't like Shutter Island? I don't. What?

[Ish]

18?

[Parks]

You didn't like Shutter Island?

[Joe Budden]

Ass.

[Parks]

You're bugging. Oh, you're bugging you out your mind.

[Joe Budden]

What? Okay. What we all about?

[Parks]

How many times have you watched?

[Mel]

You're right. I've only seen it once. I'll come back with my watch it again.

[Parks]

If you watch it the first time, it is a hard movie. It's like watching. You got to watch it A second. It's like watching.

[Joe Budden]

It's like watching.

[Ish]

I'm not stupid. I watched the movie just Fight Club at the end.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care.

[Parks]

No, but. But you.

[Joe Budden]

But you. But you're able to identify Fight Club.

[Ish]

As a tent because that did it first.

[Parks]

The first one.

[Joe Budden]

One.

[Parks]

No, bro. Shutter Island. Shutter island is a very hard movie to really get on one watch.

[Joe Budden]

You can't. You have to watch it.

[Parks]

You got to watch it.

[Ish]

I've watched it more than once, but I'm not stupid. I got it the first time.

[Joe Budden]

Did you watch it in theaters or you had the DVD theater?

[Parks]

Yo, you had the DVD setup first time?

[Ish]

No, I had to watch Inception. The bucks.

[Parks]

That's what I was about to say.

[Joe Budden]

What's that?

[Parks]

What's Inception?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Parks]

What do you have? Inception.

[Joe Budden]

That's Nolan, right? Yes. Ain't that Nolan? Yes. Don't say George Lucas name again. Nope. Yo, I don't want to hear nothing about a Star Wars. Stars in the sky. Star Trek. Star Spangled, baby.

[Parks]

That nigga is sitting on a private island that he owned with Obi Wan Kenobi dolls over his mantle, and he don't give a fuck about your homeboy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

[Ish]

8 out of 10 is inception.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To me.

[Ish]

8 out of 10.

[Parks]

Anyway, let this podcast be worth $2 billion. You won't breathe on these microphones.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a fuck.

[Parks]

Are you crazy?

[Guest Artist]

He.

[Parks]

I clunk you with this fold.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, George Lucas. But you always go straight to who's richer.

[Parks]

That's not true. That's what I'm going to.

[Joe Budden]

Quality of the work.

[Parks]

I don't feel like arguing with you.

[Mel]

Who has better movies between who? George Lucas.

[Parks]

Who the have we been talking about for hours?

[Mel]

Okay, let me ask you. Let me ask you this.

[Joe Budden]

Have you been listening?

[Mel]

I've been listening. Well, I just want to make sure. But I've been listening. Who do you. Who do you flipped out?

[Joe Budden]

They just won't answer me. Who has better movies out of the two?

[Mel]

If you're a Star Trek fan, then talking about.

[Joe Budden]

He don't even make Star Trek. Trek.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Star wars would be better.

[Joe Budden]

Star Wars.

[Mel]

Didn't he do Star Trek, too?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Can we close this? I would just like an answer to my question. We identify who's richer. Who has better movies between the two. Nolan. Nolan. And it's not close. It's not close.

[Parks]

It's nowhere near close.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all was scaring me for a while. Sorry.

[Ish]

Star orgies.

[Mel]

Not really. However, who would you. Would you Choose Nolan over. Over David Fincher.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I need to hear. I need to see the seven. Gone girl.

[Mel]

Gone girl.

[Joe Budden]

But he just. Yeah, yeah, you got.

[Mel]

Case of Benjamin Button.

[Joe Budden]

But he's.

[Ish]

He's fired.

[Joe Budden]

But that. His run is more recent.

[Parks]

That's a nice.

[Ish]

He started before, though.

[Parks]

That's a nice.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about run.

[Mel]

Actually. No, it's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you just might not know.

[Mel]

Is older than Christopher Nolan way by the. Like seven years.

[Joe Budden]

I just want to talk movies, not age.

[Mel]

So he's. He's been directing for longer.

[Parks]

Give him the movies from back then.

[Mel]

Okay. All right, here we go.

[Joe Budden]

His IMDb because he's fired. Go on girl.

[Mel]

Was in 2002. Let's see here.

[Ish]

Chronological Male.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ish]

Fight club was 90s.

[Mel]

Yeah, fight club was 90s. It's not doing anything.

[Joe Budden]

But his run didn't start at Fight Club. No, he went on a run.

[Parks]

What's his name?

[Mel]

David Fincher.

[Ish]

I got you right now. Alien 37 was 95. The game was 97. Also a great movie. Fight Club 99. Panic Room 2002. Not great. Zodiac, also a great movie. 2007. Benjamin Button 2008.

[Joe Budden]

Great movie.

[Ish]

Social Network 2010. Dragon Tattoo. Not as. It's trash compared to the original.

[Joe Budden]

I like the original.

[Ish]

It's fucking trash. Gong girl 14amazing mank. I didn't see the killer. 2023.

[Parks]

Social network.

[Joe Budden]

Don't say his name with Christopher Nolan again.

[Parks]

But he can't say with Christopher Nolan.

[Joe Budden]

I like that matchup better than George Lucas.

[Ish]

It's a better matchup.

[Parks]

It's a much better matchup.

[Joe Budden]

George Y. Don't y. Come on, let's move on.

[Parks]

You gotta get George Lucas out of here.

[Joe Budden]

When you talking quality movies, Jordan Lucas is in a nursing home somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's not. All right, enough.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, nobody. We need. We need that new Star wars heat. Well, they.

[Ish]

They. Are this still going on?

[Joe Budden]

The last Star wars was a fly anyway. Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's true.

[Mel]

You hate it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. The last Star wars was a fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Compared to the original.

[Joe Budden]

I watched the original.

[Mel]

I did too.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was. The original was.

[Mel]

It was the sweetest trilogy and it was amazing. But like.

[Joe Budden]

Like, when seen all the movies you don't need a girl to see. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Mel]

No, no, no. I was just asking Parks, like, you know why he liked the remake was.

[Ish]

Let me not say it was trash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It.

[Ish]

It was cool. It was. It was a six and a half out of ten. Probably the original one's like a nine. That's amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Movie?

[Mel]

Yeah. Well, the trilogy. Yeah, it was good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The original or the remake?

[Joe Budden]

Was.

[Mel]

I just. I was really surprised by how much I liked it.

[Parks]

We said all that like to say, yo, hold on. Watch Fight Club.

[Mel]

Oh yeah, And Heat.

[Parks]

Heat.

[Mel]

If you haven't seen it, you have to watch Heat.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every time you tell me movies, I.

[Joe Budden]

Make a list of jealous that you. Jealous of you.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's fire.

[Joe Budden]

I wish I could see Fight Club for the first time. Word. Word.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I know. I'm a love Fight Club. That's one of the movies that's so good. I said I'm going to wait and I just put it off for like 30 years.

[Joe Budden]

It's actually a good book too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll read the book first.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't say M Night Shaolin. Don't say him at all. At all.

[Parks]

He said the flop made him wait.

[Mel]

You said you're gonna read what book was a flop? Fight Club.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said Fight Club was a great book too.

[Joe Budden]

Chuck Poloniak, the Movie Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You watch the Cosby's. That's a solid point.

[Joe Budden]

Watch the Cosby show, please. Please watch the world.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If I watch my club, will you watch the Cosby Show?

[Parks]

Yo? No, that's all seasons.

[Ish]

He got vhs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey yo, Mark, real quick.

[Joe Budden]

It's just the light skinned in the Cosby Show. Theo, man, it wasn't no light skinned.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

World.

[Joe Budden]

Too nice, man. Cockroach. No, not cockroach. The light skinned. That was in a different world too. But he popped up. He first. He first.

[Parks]

Ron.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about Ron Johnson?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this is Ron.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's dating Tim. He's married to Tim.

[Joe Budden]

It's just so many different people he's still married to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Been married for 20 some years.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, young man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's still married.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, what else do we have, Mark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you want to have the tough talk? About time to have the talk, man. Is bur bees. What we talking about? No, Dr. Umar.

[Parks]

What happened to him?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We, We. We have to have the talk. We've been letting a lot of it slide.

[Joe Budden]

What you said happened off Mike.

[Parks]

Crashing out on camera.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Parks]

That's not. That's not what happened.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You playing those other games.

[Joe Budden]

Sick of yo, what happened?

[Parks]

You sick of me?

[Joe Budden]

You told me what happened.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Relaxation.

[Joe Budden]

You told me. I didn't know what happened. I didn't have a clue. That's a dirt bag shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

That's fucked up.

[Parks]

Let's go get you under the bus.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do you want to talk about, Flip? Just what are we witnessing now?

[Joe Budden]

What he did now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So. And I don't know the particulars that I have. I've been so busy, but I can't be busy. Yo, Mark, I can't be busy. God damn it.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't busy. You've been in every space. This playback, yes, Mark, is everywhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do show promo, which is why I've been focused on this other thing. An announcement came. So there's been a couple of events that I think have happened. First, Dr. Umar came on his own social media platform asking for support. He said that his personal and business accounts have been frozen, and he's. And for the first time in his life, he's asking for personal support. Not fundraising support, but personal support, because his stuff is frozen. He's trying to take care of queen mother. Ifatunde, his mother, as well as himself. That was the first thing. The next beat was that an announcement came out from him and from others that the school had been. Was facing, not closing. Auction. Auction. That's the word I was looking for. Because of unpaid debt. Dr. Umar explained two pieces to this. One is, he's saying that the state of Delaware has not given him any notice about what was happening, that they put notices on the door, but that, you know, he didn't have access to them, and they basically not communicated. And it seems to him that they're trying to maybe go behind his back and auction off the school at a moment where he's vulnerable because his accounts have been frozen. And so he's been asking for support to make up, I think, the amount of 72,000 that. What the Amani. What $72,000 is the amount that he's. That he's looking for or that he needs to pay the state. And there's. And there's some technicalities there around. Like, you sure know a lot for a. That didn't know a lot. Oh, no, I know the backstory, but he said crashing out. That's the part I don't know anything about. I'm saying I don't think why I'm crashing out. I just know that he's been. He's been mistreated. That's peace.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's real.

[Joe Budden]

This Internet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why do you stop finding so much joy? Okay, no, we're not finding joy. We fuck with him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And giving me a hard time. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so that's where he is right now. I know I saw an announcement. I don't have the chronology of it, but I did see. I believe some. He Was doing some fundraising efforts himself, you know, asking, you know, things from auctioning off lunches to $500 a lunch. Yeah. To like. Yeah, to like when. And I think that's where he is. I think what's interesting to me is on YouTube, there are a lot. I mean, there's so much content being made about this. It seems like there are people who are like rooting for this to fail. There are people who are like, I told you so. And then there are people who are trying to help. And it seems like that the helping section is much smaller than the people who are talking shit. I'm just kind of witnessing the whole thing, trying to make sense of everything.

[Ish]

Which side do you fall on?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want anybody to fail.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I don't want him to lose his buildings. I don't want a school not to get back built. I donated to fdmg. I certainly want FDMG to succeed. I saw a white supremacist make a video saying that he's going to be at auction. He's going to buy it. Exactly. And he's going to bulldoze.

[Joe Budden]

You got to clean your algorithm out.

[Ish]

Well, YouTube you on it.

[Joe Budden]

It's not YouTube in that dark way.

[Ish]

The trope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

You the one that vote.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm fine. Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Just know I don't let y' all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Play with Marie Delus up here. Watch out.

[Ish]

I'm not playing with you.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know right now, but I believe Mark. And when I find out which one of you voted for Trump, I'm on y' all ass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should be. Oh, it's gonna come out.

[Parks]

Start tagging me.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, was you like, hey, yo, listen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's gonna come out.

[Parks]

And then you keep saying you're throwing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It off because I got keep people's. I keep. I was still.

[Joe Budden]

He's a vault.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I didn't tell y' all we was get out early. You think I'm tell the white vote. And I learned a valuable lesson.

[Joe Budden]

You told me.

[Mel]

I kept it to myself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He told Mel until he got in front of 8 million people muffins.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. Told Pizza Hut.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. The white supremacist said he's extra anchovies today. He's going to bulldoze the building, put a big toilet on top of it. And yeah, like they're just fucking with Dr. Not Dr. They fucking with. He's Dr. Yeah, I'm sorry. There's a lot of people saying his dissertation leaked this week. They put out his doctoral dissertation and they've been analyzing that on the Internet. It's like people have an obsession with him that I think to me this story should be less about Dr. Umar and his school although that's important and more about what it all means. Like we need schools for. But let's say this. I heard at one point there was a lot of celebrities that were interested in helping him but they had questions and he answered up. Disrespecting him on the Internet. They said that LeBron inquired one time. Oh really about. Yeah this what I just saw a report on that. And you know he was just cuz he would complain that people wouldn't help donate. Like a lot of celebrities, basketball players that he's trying to make a all black school.

[Joe Budden]

Where you seen a report on that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just saw it man.

[Parks]

On the Internet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nick fuentes.

[Joe Budden]

On nick fuentes.com n no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For real and friends. I guess before people want to donate they want to know more information. Everybody's not like Mark I'll just donate for black shit. People want to know more information.

[Joe Budden]

I know this conversation is compelling. The only part that's confusing me about the Dr. Umar is his earning power is still through the roof.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

So them telling me that he owes 70 grand here, 60 grand here. Like I know Dr. Umar to post 40 speaking engagements and I'd be pulling my calculator out like his earning power is very much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But a lot of those speaking engagements are for the people that are grassroots. They're either free or they're.

[Joe Budden]

I know what I paid him last time he came here. If he felt like getting up and getting out to it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah but I think that's why the frozen accounts are important Because I think if his accounts are getting frozen then he can make a gajillion dollars if you can't access it.

[Joe Budden]

See Dr. Umar. And now we learn the importance of of white women put in putting in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jack Johnson.

[Joe Budden]

They got me. They got me Jack Johnson. Yo, put my name on all your for a second.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know. I mean Jack Johnson had the white woman. That's why he had the Jack Johnson act end up in jail. That's the man that was. Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

That look at him acting like everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is I, I, I hope everything works out. I hope Umar's accounts get what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Don't put me in it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who you talking about? I didn't hear what he said.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope his accounts get unfrozen. I hope the school gets. Gets open because it seems like they were fairly close to opening, and I. And I hope that. Let's go down there and I hope we get into. Go ahead and check it.

[Joe Budden]

You try that move with Spanish girls, you going to jail. They gonna report that car stolen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish him nothing but love and support, man.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you reach out and. Man, I did reach.

[Parks]

I support him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did reach out. Reach out to. You know what I noticed about Mark?

[Joe Budden]

Reach out in times of turmoil.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what isn't.

[Mel]

Every time you want somebody to reach out to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, not if I helping hands.

[Joe Budden]

N. Not if I ain't hurt. First of all, Peter, he don't need to defend him. Second of all, if I ain't heard from you for the rest of the year, don't pop up when I'm sleepwalking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You. I read some.

[Mel]

Call me pizza.

[Joe Budden]

I read some. Are you good? No, I'm not good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I didn't do that. I reached out to him. Support all the time. Look at my text thread now. Look.

[Joe Budden]

Look at Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Proud of your progress after haters. Keep going. Thanks, King. Like, we exchanged, you know, it's all love, so.

[Parks]

What was that, 20? 23?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Three, actually. Yeah. Actually, yeah. But that's. That's just the top of the thread. If I keep going down the thread. Yeah, I always, always send them. And if I, you know, we neutral.

[Joe Budden]

Ops.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no Ops. I love. I love. Stop. I want him to win. Stop. I do.

[Parks]

He send no Spanky.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Enough. Mark. Where. Where would I send it? That's what I reached out to ask. I literally reached out two weeks ago to ask.

[Mel]

His last video, he said where he wanted the asking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What did he want to say?

[Mel]

Gave his phone number, and he said.

[Parks]

He'S been asking for donations for a little while now.

[Mel]

Sell it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I knew where to send the money.

[Mel]

The cash app, too.

[Parks]

Look at the cash app, Mark. I ain't gonna hate on him, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, I want him to win. I want him to succeed. I just. It's just interesting how, like, when you're down, everybody pounces. You know what I mean? Yeah. I actually had to. I was defending him this weekend because people were trying to People without doctorates or break it down, and now they break it down as PhD. His side D Thesis, talking about whether he should deserve a doctorate or he does deserve a doctorate, and it's like, who are y' all to judge? It's weird to me. Everybody's an expert on Some shit, you.

[Parks]

Know, welcome to the Internet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. But you know what else? Cause not to move on from Dr. Umar, but I think we've exhausted this.

[Parks]

What's up?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think the real question for me is why Joe doesn't want Palestine to be free.

[Parks]

I gotta go to the bathroom.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Nah, let me sit up for these niggas.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I wanna, Joe. I mean, it's.

[Joe Budden]

Martin. This is my only problem with Martin working here. Like now I got to throw the frank at some that I don't really even know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Throw the frank is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Now I got to send this to Brett at some that I ain't never even had like an exchange with before. But no, let me stop. Let me stop joking about for a minute. Yes, I've been seeing you for a week. Kick my back in, deservedly so. And let me say that I agree with that, that sentiment. I don't know if you being funny, but.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I do think it's deservedly so. Like, I told that to my mom and my girl and anybody out there. You see what I'm saying? So, yeah, I think that when Mark was expressing his sentiments about the people that he lost, first of all, rest in peace. Some of y' all know where my heart lie. I don't. That's not my ministry. I'm not with any death anywhere. So. But how that came off, yeah, it looked really irresponsible, it looked really immature. And it didn't look like it didn't align with how I feel about things. So I totally understand me getting killed for that. I'm not mad at that. Right. Players fuck up too. That's on me. If I fuck up, please feel free to kill me. However. However my problem lie in it turning into the phone game where one thing turns into another thing, which turns into another thing. So the headlines I started to see was fuck Joe Budden, Free Palestine. As if the two contradict. So don't get to talking like, you know my views on this. Don't mislead, misrepresent or misspeak for me. I'm responsible for an ill timed segue. That is the end of it. Y' all don't know how I feel about shit. Because I specifically don't really speak much about these things. Nor am I suppressing Mark. If he wants to come in here and talk about it, please feel free. But yeah, my only issue came in them turning my ill time segue into pretending to know how I feel about certain matters. That's just, that's just not responsible.

[Mel]

I'm glad that got brought up because this I. Did anybody else get the smoke? Cause I definitely did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think we saw the smoke.

[Ish]

I saw a little bit of smoke.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We get it.

[Mel]

Okay. I just wonder, I mean, like, no, in terms.

[Parks]

No, I've had the conversation. Man. Times.

[Mel]

No, not the conversation. Like in terms of the response to the clip that went viral.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

People are reaching out to me and I'm sure they reached out to all of us regarding it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But again, my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not on your timeline. No, not at all. Again, your algorithm is probably different. Yeah, yeah, watch. I did that.

[Mel]

I feel like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's your job to come up here and teach.

[Parks]

Teach us.

[Mel]

But not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not my job. It is your job because you, you, you at fault as much as Mr. Rogers. You had fought as much. You had. No, but at the same time, if you, if you're familiar with a situation and it's passionate and you know the outcome of it because you're more virtual into that world and a lot of us are, you should inform us. I tried to do that. When I did that 25 seconds. The 25, 30 seconds of sort of here's why the world's on fire. Which I think is an interesting thing we should do regularly. Just like here's some things going on in the world, but there's to me and I said this on Friday, when you want to hear it. I think there are other spaces that are more conducive to that. It's the same thing we do here with sports. We talk about sports for a minute or two. You know what I mean? But we're not going to do a deep dive on the NFL preseason because that's what ESPN is for. But somebody who.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna make excuses for my behavior, y' all can have the conversation for me. I heard Mark say Gaza. And as the a mic here, I immediately tried to get to figure out what the next segue would be. It was ill timed, Horrible. Horrible. And it came off horribly. So half of the people that's kicking my back in, I totally understand. The rest of you niggas can suck my dick. I don't give a fuck about what you niggas are talking about. The ones that's manipulating this into something else.

[Mel]

And then there was question as to why. I said, well, how do we pivot away from that? Making it seem like I don't have any level of sympathy for what's happening or just the fact that you said that all of your journalist Friends were murdered. Like, that would be ridiculous that I wouldn't feel any level of empathy. People don't understand when we talk about pivot up here. We talk about how do we pivot from one subject to the next, especially. And the fact is, we don't really handle a lot of serious matters. We are trying to be an escape for people, you know, with this particular podcast.

[Joe Budden]

So that's not an excuse for me.

[Mel]

No, no, I'm not excuse for you.

[Parks]

It's the true.

[Joe Budden]

Excuse me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not trying to provide. Both things are true.

[Mel]

Provide an out whatsoever. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just asking.

[Joe Budden]

We should be better in that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you handled that poorly. But also, there's context that I think is important. We make a joke about pivoting from dark shit all the time. Like, that's a running joke. Here is, what do we do now?

[Mel]

How do we.

[Joe Budden]

And that's kind of where I was with it. But there's more people that don't watch this show than there are that do watch this show. Like my mom always said to me, what's easier? Trying to get the world to understand you or you understanding the world? I'm not all. What y' all saying is true. I'm owning my shit.

[Mel]

I think that's great.

[Joe Budden]

Horrible came out crazy. I'll do better.

[Mel]

Yeah. But I just wanted to offer the context as to why we say things like pivot away from. Because that's just. That is just the platform that we're on. It has nothing to do with personal feelings like. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And hopefully everybody in their respective platforms out there does that, because there are people who are asking us to carry it here. And I think I agree. I mean, I'm willing to talk about it to extent that everyone is. I'd rather talk about it on Night school or in Al Jazeera just because there's more Runway for that. But you sports people out there, athletes. All the athletes have been killed in Palestine, in Gaza, the stadiums have been crushed, talking about gender issues, women issues. Pregnant mothers are being killed, Babies are being killed. You know, everybody's domain can cover this issue if they want to. So we all have a responsibility in the midst of a genocide to talk about it and deal with it. So I don't think it's anyone's exclusive job, but I do think some spaces are more conducive to it than others. And for me, I'd rather stay here. Here's 30 seconds of what's going on. Just like. Like, I Did with what's going on in D.C. or we could talk about what's going on right now with redistricting in Texas. Right. I mean, where they're literally trying to undermine democracy by taking away people's votes and people's congressional representation. All of these things are issues that we should talk about here. But I think there are avenues that just do it better.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all.

[Parks]

Or audience that's more conducive to the conversation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Yeah, that's just my take on it.

[Joe Budden]

No, I agree with everything you said. Well said, well put. I'm you when it comes. It comes to, like, the shooting at the hookah spot in Brooklyn. Like, I'm you when it come to. Oh, shit. It's crazy shit going on over here. Maybe I need to go get a little more educated and maybe we'll have the conversation one day. But for now, I own the part that I played and how crazy that looked. I'll do better and rest in peace to everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Not just the people that Mark lost, but everybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody but.

[Parks]

And we should get better with our.

[Joe Budden]

Trauma responses up here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Yes. I want to add one more quick thing. I agree. I want everyone to rest in peace. I want justice for everybody. But I also want to be very clear that there are oppressors and oppressed in this situation. Because sometimes it's just like when Obama came out after the shooting. Be like, I understand the police's side and I understand the young black men's side that frames them as if they're equal people battling over something. And there's an actual oppressive in this situation. And so I'm only speaking for myself right now. I want everyone to survive. I want everyone to thrive. But I want to be very clear here. The Palestinians are the ones being genocided right now, 1,000%.

[Mel]

Like, I was just reading this because.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Madonna went off the rails.

[Mel]

No, there's a headline right now, and this is part of the whole fucking propaganda campaign. Childhood in a war zone after 22 months of the Israel Hamas war. It's not a fucking war.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Mel]

It's not a fucking war. It's genocide. And we're watching it and this country's funding it.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And those kinds of words are squashed.

[Mel]

I'm not. But it's like, it's.

[Joe Budden]

Try to. Don't try to come in and do the right thing. It's over, girl.

[Mel]

It's your fault. And I get the blowback. I swear, it's the greatest same.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speak now. I don't want to make an awkward pivot here, but there something else I want to talk about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, go ahead. Please, please.

[Joe Budden]

I just wanted to say before we leave this type of stuff, I want to say rest in peace to Ariel, the bartender that was murdered on the cross county these last few days. I know she was very popular. A lot of people knew her. The digital media is calling her Tekashi's girl, and that couldn't be further from the truth. But. But she was well known, she was well loved, she was very popular. She helped a lot of niggas get through that fucking pandemic at some of the secret strip clubs. Really sweet girl. She was a mother, she was a daughter. She had a family, like people from. With her, so. And. And this is the third, fourth or fifth bartender to be murdered in the last seven months. I want to say.

[Mel]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, Totally unrelated, but yes. There was the. The bartender that was found that went to Booby Trap and she used to work out here. She's a New Yorker. She went to Booby Trap and was found murdered in the car with her boyfriend. There's. I don't want to go down the whole road.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's been.

[Joe Budden]

There's been a few now. So please, if you work in the nightlife, be careful. Rest in peace to Ariel, her prayers, thoughts to her family, her friends, and her loved ones. Really, really, really horrible story. So now you were saying, Mark, or should I queue up? Outstanding.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's do. Outstanding.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rest in.

[Joe Budden]

This. Life is long, but it's short.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't never live.

[Joe Budden]

It's long, but it's short, man. Prayers to anybody out there fighting a silent battle. Prayers to anybody out there that has lost somebody recently. Our hearts are with you. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Talk to her.

[Joe Budden]

All right, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We still here with y'.

[Joe Budden]

All Excited? I'm so excited. Makes me want to shout. You was saying, Mark, I think the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Run might be over for Ozempic. A lot of y' all out there on Ozempic. I see your new bodies. I see your relationship between your head and your body. I see the changes. You laughing, okay, but there's a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Of laughter up here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You laughing at something, Mark? Is your head shrunk too?

[Mel]

Fuck you, honey.

[Joe Budden]

I shrunk the kid's head.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ass, nigga.

[Mel]

Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

Beetlejuice headache.

[Mel]

Anyways, keep going, Mark, but Ozempi's getting sued.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, really?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Multiple lawsuits. It's up to $2 billion right now.

[Ish]

That came a lot quicker than I thought it would I'm not gonna lie.

[Joe Budden]

Not me.

[Parks]

Nah, not me.

[Joe Budden]

Not me. We knew this was hard draw once the doctor's office started chefing that shit up like it was steak.

[Parks]

You going there for anything.

[Joe Budden]

They got the posters up for outsiders looking in. This appeared to be the second coming of. What's that? The dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like doctors pushing this. I came in here and told y', all, every commercial, month after month, they added a new thing that this was remedying.

[Ish]

Oh, for sure. I came in here and said that they were. I was reading articles about how it makes your dick bigger.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

Your stomach gets strong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you catch your stomach. It happens.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I've been on this. When Mel was on the couch back there sick, I was, like, telling us that she had a stomachache. Remember? You was telling us you had a stomachache. You was fucked up.

[Mel]

Stop it. It was one fucking day where I actually had a fucking stomach ache. Well, had nothing to do. Nothing to do with that.

[Joe Budden]

Was it stomach paralysis? Cause in this suit, they saying the Ozempic. People. People are suffering from. The people that's falling this. They're suffering from blindness and stomach paralyzer. And you was on the couch holding your stomach up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Mel]

So I can't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't listen.

[Mel]

I can't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know why you don't even lie and say yes and get down with this.

[Mel]

That's funny, because I was never on.

[Joe Budden]

I'm about to take that and get sick. What they talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In fairness, Mel wasn't actually on Ozempic.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it was like a derivative, right? It was something different. Right.

[Mel]

GLP1 called semaglutide, but that's basically, like, the active ingredient. But talking about oic, I was not. I took it for, like, one.

[Joe Budden]

She had no frills on. They got the Big Mac.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop it, guys. It's not right. Stop it.

[Joe Budden]

George Lucas version.

[Parks]

Way different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. But over 1800 patients have sued, so this is a significant thing. The question I have is, and this is where I hate the litigious nature of society. Again, if you took this for a reason, specifically if you had diabetes or something else, I get it. But a whole lot of people take this to lose weight. And I think if you told them ahead of time, look, you're gonna lose 300 pounds, but you'll have some tummy aches and your vision will get blurry. I think they still would have took it. They still would have took it.

[Mel]

And also when you see the commercial, you know when the, when the words kind of like, you know, when the person speeds up.

[Parks]

Side effects include.

[Mel]

Side effects include. It's all there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it okay?

[Parks]

Not just that these same people, bro, people ain't gonna listen to that. When they was trying to give everybody the vaccine was like yo wait, let's see what it do. You don't know what's gonna happen. And then we didn't give a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that was scary.

[Parks]

They just want to get outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean people took the vaccine cuz.

[Parks]

We saw a lot of people. That's not true. That's not true. I know a lot of people that's not turned. Oh yeah, we all please with the OIC shit. People's vanity was, was at the forefront of them giving the up. Yo dog, you could go in the hospital for a stub toe. They like, you want some Ozenic? You got it right here. Oh, your arm hurt? You want selling that on the street? They selling on the street. My. It really played into people's vanity more than their wellness.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's shoving down the obesity ads down people's throat.

[Joe Budden]

And then if those people are dog owners, like if you ain't hungry, you ain't gonna think that the fucking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, stop it.

[Parks]

The dog went, nah, they gave that shit to my godfather. He's 78 years old and that shit fucked him up like they was giving that shit to anybody. My nigga, like all jokes aside, they was giving that shit away.

[Joe Budden]

But did he have a dog? Yo, yo, yo, you a idiot, bro. Is that a sign out of mind if you're not yo, so, so stupid ass humans. You know what? I want to not have the urge to eat. No.

[Parks]

But what happens is what's wrong with these. But you are trusting these doctors, Americans. Not just you're trusting doctors, you are trusting doctors that sometimes have an ulterior motive to prescribing you some shit which is their commissions or their come up financially. You listening to them and thinking that they went to school, they got all the training, they have your well being at home. And that's not the case, dog. They when you start reading the ingredients from the Ozempic. That is insane.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In Ozempic's defense. In Ozempic's defense. Oh bro, people were abusing it. The intent of Ozempic and the only thing it's approved for by the FDA.

[Mel]

Is treating type 2 diabetes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's treat diabetes. And it was like, oh wait, this will make you lose a lot of weight. And then people are using it for. For reasons and purposes other than what it was made to do. So yeah, if you keep using shit for other reasons, you're going to get other consequences.

[Parks]

But the doctor's pushing it to you as if it is okay to do so. You don't have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying the people. I'm just consumers, doctors. I'm just saying, oh, the company didn't make this drug for this purpose.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Parks]

But now we find out we selling we X amount of billions over here. Viagra was a heart medication.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe it's just me. I could tell when my primary physician is no longer on my health and he turns into a car salesman.

[Parks]

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like after I go and my checkup and you check this and we kick in and we talk, there's a switch that hits where you start asking me shit. That nigga. Get the fuck outta here.

[Parks]

This the oil change?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's real.

[Parks]

It's the oil change. Yo, yo, yo, you need your cabin filter change too. You need your effort, your dog.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm here for this.

[Parks]

Your brakes a little low, you know what I mean? Your rollers look a little. Yeah, I'm here for this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate that this society is at this place where. And it's always been here, I guess, but where everybody wants something for nothing. Everybody wants to get rich quick. Everybody wants to lose weight without having to diet and exercise.

[Mel]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate it.

[Mel]

That's not fair to say. I mean, like the assumption is that everybody got on it for vanity. There's a significant portion of. Of people who had genetics that just were not on their side, who had other health conditions that prevent them from losing weight. They've struggled with their weight their entire fucking lives. And they've, you know, it's created like other comorbidities, you know what I'm saying? It's really, it's not fair to place everybody in the same box.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody in that box.

[Joe Budden]

Those people aren't used to scale of business.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The scale of business is the people. I mean, because you've mentioned it, you used it. Were you using it for. Because of comorbidities or genetics issues?

[Mel]

I was using it just because at the, you know, when perimenopause sets in, weight gets extremely fucking hard to get rid of.

[Joe Budden]

Shit.

[Mel]

You know what? Then I'm not gonna say anything. If you want, if you want to, like discredit everything that I say as not being.

[Parks]

I'm rolling with what she's saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm rolling 100% with what she's saying.

[Mel]

Yeah, but the fact of the matter is that was.

[Joe Budden]

Say it again. Again. Then listen.

[Mel]

When perimenopause kicks in, any woman can attest that there is weight that just accumulates on your body that is very stubborn, and it won't fucking go anywhere. So I wanted to try it to see what would happen if I could get the stubborn weight off just a little bit. And then with my program that I do diet and exercise, be able to maintain, which is what I did.

[Joe Budden]

I understand that.

[Parks]

But let me ask you a question, though.

[Mel]

And it was last year that I used.

[Joe Budden]

Was it.

[Parks]

Was it suggested to you by a doctor? Or did you say that yourself, like, all right, you know what? Oh, this is happening. Let me seek out. Let's figure out what happen, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, said Dr. Dre. Yeah. Watch your mouth. I'm tired of you abusing this.

[Joe Budden]

Friendship and love is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dr. Drake said, I'm tired of this, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Not even Dr. No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, I don't have an issue with people using it for that reason. My point is just that that's still the same reason. Right? It's still.

[Parks]

At the end of the day, that's.

[Joe Budden]

Still a vanity reason.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. I'm saying it wasn't for diabetes. And again, I think people should do that. I have. No, I'm not taking. There's no judgment about it. I'm just saying that plays into. And you work hard in diet and exercise. You know what I mean?

[Parks]

She does, but like she said, it ain't going nowhere. Let me try something else.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And for some people, that. I don't want to use the word vanity, because it's gonna sound negative, but it was a desire to. To do something that wasn't medically necessary.

[Joe Budden]

To look more beautiful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And I take drugs that aren't medically necessary. I'm not throwing any shots. I'm just saying, like, that brings danger, that brings risk sometimes. And I feel like we have to be. We have to have that conversation as a society, partly for why the society makes you feel, as a woman approaching that age, that you have to do that.

[Mel]

Well, then don't take ED medication. Don't take that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Mel]

I'm not talking about you. Don't take ED fucking medication.

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wake it up. No, y' all are.

[Mel]

Tripping.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go, man. Sleep.

[Parks]

That's right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Should be super sleep.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Parks]

Drowsy dick.

[Mel]

Millions of free child place holidays available.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How long you been holding that in?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, Mel. Look at Mel face. Every time we got her, she say Perryman.

[Mel]

Yeah. It is a constant in my life. Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry, Mel, you are able bodied. That's like icing that wheelchair.

[Mel]

I. I know that I'm able to.

[Joe Budden]

You be on bullshit and we saying it.

[Parks]

Oh, I'll be on bullshit at the airport in the wheelchair. I just booked a flight and it was like, do you need any special accommodations?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my wheelchair.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy. Ice. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Ish got off it too. He tried to think it's just male.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that why he left?

[Mel]

Who knows?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, when Isla gets Kenny for a little bit. Oh my God. Why?

[Parks]

That's crazy. Why I can't use the wheelchair? It's there.

[Mel]

Anyways. What I'm surprised by is the fact that no other men.

[Joe Budden]

His ass started leaving like Mel in the suit. Remember when you.

[Parks]

Yo, come on, sir, you about to slide this. Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

His ass started to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, now you lost mad weight.

[Joe Budden]

She wasn't sitting no more. He was taking a little chill.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember little Chinese pills?

[Joe Budden]

What this used to be like a shelf.

[Parks]

I'm uncomfortable.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a you want buzz number.

[Parks]

Give a you want Busby number.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yo, while we on stupid that members of the cast did freeze. There's a film out called Broken Eyes about the dangers on Pioneer PBS about the dangers of Lasix and what it. What that does to you years after you get the procedure.

[Parks]

I've seen. I've heard certain people have like they lost their sight.

[Ish]

Dry eyes.

[Parks]

I've seen people try certain. No, no, no. I've seen mean.

[Joe Budden]

Probably just certain people that happen your ass started to leave a little bit too. You got stuff.

[Parks]

Yo, what's up with you instead? Asses.

[Joe Budden]

You good?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Am I missing? Did you do Lasik?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. But you didn't have any bad side effects?

[Parks]

No, no, I didn't have any. I did Lasik about five years ago now.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Parks]

Yeah, I've. I've read the horror stories.

[Joe Budden]

Would you tell us?

[Parks]

And some people have actually like self transition because they just lost their sight.

[Joe Budden]

It's gotten that bad?

[Parks]

They are horror stories.

[Joe Budden]

So you never woke up in sweats and your girl had to go get a cold rag?

[Parks]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

She didn't wipe you down?

[Parks]

No, she get around Wip down for something else.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Big freeze back on them eds. What? We back on that Ed man want us to stop taking E so Bad.

[Mel]

Do y' all really take eat or that you think?

[Joe Budden]

No, we take especially for your girl.

[Parks]

I eat coochie. That fix it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go. Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he wanted those. The juices. The juices does something to my body. Hold up. Mark is confused.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta break that. Can you explain that to me?

[Joe Budden]

Break it down. Freeze.

[Parks]

Eat coochie. It gets you right up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze. Don't need that. Yeah. Need no AD medicine.

[Parks]

God bless.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you confused with what he's saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just. That sounds. If I'm ever faced with that dilemma, I have to try it. But that doesn't seem like that would work. I don't think everybody who dick don't work just has to consider eating.

[Mel]

There's some men that really, really like to eat it and they get off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On it and that make that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what he's saying.

[Mel]

That's their thing.

[Joe Budden]

And Puerto Rico, Ricans. What? What you was about to ask Pizza Hut.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't about to ask shit.

[Joe Budden]

You was about to ask Pizza Hut something that didn't have nothing to do with pizza.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was off the menu. And I said, you know what?

[Joe Budden]

Don't do that. Yeah, pizza.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never mind. I just have a salad. I'm gonna be in that court. I'm gonna be in that trial in the galley. Not in the.

[Joe Budden]

What I take is for pd. It's not for ed. It's for powerful dick. It's not, cuz. It's not for erectile. Just for this one I need. You know what I mean? This is when I want to see her.

[Parks]

It's the reminder.

[Joe Budden]

And this one I gotta look up humble. Yo, you good? Are you okay? Yo, you cool? Do I need to relax? Slow down. Look, you old as hell. She old as hell.

[Mel]

I am not.

[Joe Budden]

A little bit pd, you know what I mean? Sometimes you need that extra umphited. Sometimes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We saw that camera. That was that ring camera. She looked like preschool dick.

[Parks]

Oh, man, that is funny, son. That's your pd.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The.

[Joe Budden]

They growing out of shore. So as soon as I say, hey, I'm going. Run to the bathroom for me.

[Parks]

Some growing.

[Joe Budden]

Some growing going take place. Some growing. I don't give a. As soon as I say, yeah, let me go piss real quick. Let me just get away for Tuesday. When I come back. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

That's what you were saying.

[Joe Budden]

Now we in here. What's up? Oh, yo, this podcast is sick, yo. And you know you need more than two minutes, right? Well, no, four plat.

[Parks]

Oh, that's your 24. That's your 24 plate. That's your 20.

[Joe Budden]

You just need to get to the bathroom for a second. Popeye only need to need the spinach.

[Parks]

Yeah. Little hot water.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's it. Look, once Popeye ate that shit, home boy, bam. Some hot water, a little bit of foreplay. Remember foreplay?

[Parks]

This hot water dissolve. I know. I know what you were talking about.

[Joe Budden]

You don't enjoy eating.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love eating. I was just saying I didn't need it to get erected.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[Parks]

No, that's not what I was.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, big dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no. People talk about.

[Parks]

Eating solved ed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Parks]

Be walking around with. What are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

If those legs are small, I mean, you can only imagine. God don't make mistakes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. I got.

[Joe Budden]

I got a third one. If those legs like that, then.

[Parks]

I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

God don't make mistakes.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, can someone segue us into something mature? No, no.

[Parks]

Why we gotta be mature?

[Joe Budden]

Perimenopause Pop you upside your pan.

[Mel]

I know. The perimenopause unsafe here. Kind of like Palestine. Got it. Anyways.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the stuff. Boom.

[Parks]

Got you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop. What you want me to do?

[Parks]

She's not allowed to express herself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop.

[Mel]

Okay. I got a great segue.

[Joe Budden]

Do it. Do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I tried to behave. I tried to behave today.

[Joe Budden]

Can y' all stop talking over mel? Who has a great segue?

[Mel]

Chris Hansen is back to Catch a Predator, only now it's on Roblox.

[Joe Budden]

This Roblox is sick. It is. And you that Chris Hansen caught in that little two family. Y. I just think about y' all over the weekend. Yo, where can I go back and watch every episode of To Catch a Predator?

[Parks]

That's like boondock. No, that was the best.

[Joe Budden]

That's like boondocks to me.

[Parks]

No, the cap Sundays was the best ever.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Parks]

Whole timeline.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hoo.

[Parks]

Sundays.

[Joe Budden]

Sundays to catch a breakfast tcap.

[Parks]

That was religious stopping to watch you.

[Joe Budden]

That they used to catch parking.

[Parks]

Like, sometimes they come n the. Be funny. Yo, you bought Boon Farm condoms.

[Mel]

L. Well, it's children that they're trying to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I know. Just a thought.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you stopped at the store and boy, now ladies and vodka. That's a crazy case, yo.

[Parks]

Yeah, he hit him with the. Why are you here? Be like, I don't know. I don't know why.

[Mel]

I have a friend in the area.

[Joe Budden]

Chris Hansen should have got slid more than he did by the predators. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

If it was some black.

[Joe Budden]

Some of them episodes.

[Parks]

No There would have been some black people there to be his ass.

[Joe Budden]

Some of them episodes, the cops were slow to act. Right? Because in the episode, they wait till you come outside. Yeah, the cops are right there.

[Parks]

He let you think you can leave.

[Joe Budden]

That's why dog in the house. I beat the dog how to kiss Chris Hansen, if you catch me on some demon time.

[Ish]

He was tall man, remember?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, we interviewed Chris. We had a friend of the show.

[Ish]

He was like six.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Six. I did.

[Joe Budden]

One of you touched Chris Hansen. Slide you for Chris. Chris Hansen would have got his anyway on Roblox. On Roblox, there's a. There was a person that was identifying the pedophiles and sexual predators and people that were targeting children. I think the viewing audience was shocked at Roblox's response to this, which was to demonize him and ban him and sue him. So that made the audience be like, well, what is your position on sexual predators and pedophiles?

[Parks]

Y' all should have gave him a job.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I would think.

[Parks]

You should have gave the guy a job.

[Ish]

Oh, the reporting guy?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

The guy that's finding all the confused. The guy that's finding the predators and reporting them. They should have gave him a job. Like, yo, dog, you want to work in secure. You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

For sure.

[Parks]

Instead of banning them and suing.

[Ish]

I thought you were saying something else.

[Joe Budden]

My bad. Like, yo, and I'm glad Chris Hansen is. I. I like Chris Hansen. This is fire. I. I can't understand Roblox's position on this one. This is when you got suits in charge that just. They. They. They don't have the post on.

[Parks]

Yeah, I didn't get it.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes they could throw. Sometimes a problem could get thrown over your plate, and you can turn that into a net positive.

[Parks]

A home run for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you can hit that bitch out of the park. But their handling of this is a little confusing. I haven't seen if any Roblox spokesperson has released a statement or something, start.

[Parks]

Coming out with the liability issues. So immediately we all want to accept liability for the. This being almost like a gateway to that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Mel]

To victimism, to vigilantism.

[Parks]

No, being a gateway to pedophilia or to some predatory shit. They don't want to admit that.

[Mel]

Got it?

[Parks]

You get what I'm saying? So now we gonna cut ties to everything so we can reduce our liability. I think it's a bad move. I think they should have got out in front of it to be like, yo, we Accept what you did. We're thankful for what you did, and we are offering you a position because this has no place and we don't want it to do that. I think that would have been there.

[Joe Budden]

I think a lot of. A lot of parents would have felt that me, as a parent with a kid that's on Roblox often would have. Would have really appreciated that sentiment. Because now I got to do Roblox's job.

[Parks]

And I was just gonna say, I mean, we shouldn't have to, but we have to anyway. Like, I'm like that. On top of all of that shit, I'm saying this to all the parents out there. Yo, go through those parental settings, adjust them accordingly. I was talking to Mark last week, yo, everything, all of your devices, your iPads, all of this shit has the settings there. A lot of people just don't know. And not for nothing, these kids are more technologically advanced than a lot of parents. So you hand them a device, what you think they doing and what they're actually doing be two different things. So you have to look into these settings all the way down to give a kid an iPad. Hey, open it. Go into screen time, set parameters.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Ice.

[Mel]

You should do video videos on that. Like, all the ways to help parents like all this. You know, do the settings, adjust the settings. You should do that. You should post that on your page or something because you've been very helpful with, you know, anytime. I don't know what the. Going on with my phone.

[Parks]

I got you.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Parks]

But, yeah, it's. It's real scary. It's these apps like Roblox, even with the VR shits, VR Mine, the other one, Minecraft, where adults, you, You. You get to create an avatar pretty much. So you don't know who you're talking to.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's not funny.

[Parks]

But you really have no idea who you're talking to and what they're saying to you.

[Joe Budden]

That's what happened when them. Look, I won't say no companies, but the little virtual world niggas with your avatars, and they was running around breaking the law. And then the company had to figure out what to do now because your avatar is running around graping like. Yeah, well, they'll just end it. They'll just end it because. Yeah, that's a lot. That, That's a lot to have to deal with as a company. Yeah, like, I understand what the Roblox people thinking. What is just wrong.

[Parks]

No, they just handled it wrong. Hundreds of millions of dollars Deal with it. They might. I don't give a fuck. If there's a lot to deal with as a company. Deal with it. The company might have looked at it as. Yo, it's bringing too much negative attention. So let's just move that and make. They might be trying to do something on the back end on their own we don't know about. You handled it wrong publicly.

[Joe Budden]

No matter what's up, totally irrelevant.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Do y' all trust Mr. Beast's smile?

[Parks]

I got a list of them. I'm not gonna hold you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just asking. That's the tough questions the other day. Hey, how does this panel feel about when Mr. Beast is smiling? What do y' all think?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did not see that coming.

[Parks]

I'm about to Google this nigga now. I'm with you.

[Mel]

Smiling look like it looks a little maniacal.

[Parks]

Uhhuh.

[Mel]

Just slightly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, they've been attacking him online.

[Parks]

Oh, he on the list with Blippi.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, he, you know, he raised.

[Parks]

Just look him up, blippy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He raised $12 million.

[Parks]

Nah, he don't look like Mr. Beast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He raised 12 million to give people water that doesn't have clean water. And they've been attacking. Good work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Moving on.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[Joe Budden]

It's a. We can move on.

[Parks]

Yeah, let's move on, please.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give y' all some age, perspective. John Wall has retired from the NBA. It made me feel a little bit old. Cause I remember when he was in college. I remember when he was drafted. He's played a full NBA career. It's been like an early injury situation.

[Joe Budden]

Is he retired from fucking on?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, I think he's doing that full time now.

[Joe Budden]

I could care less about the sports aspect of things. That had Tommy John and was still out there, causing him.

[Parks]

Was sticking his.

[Joe Budden]

Tommy and your James. Shout out to John Wall, man. Shout out to John Wall. Kentucky legend. Washington D.C. legend. One of the fastest with the ball in his hand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Baseline to baseline. Crazy.

[Parks]

He was a monster.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Darryl dude, too.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't understand all that Dougie shit when he was doing it, but I gained understanding and Real cool dude. Real cool dude. You know? I mean, when I was broke in the D.C. clubs, man, I think he let me pour some Moet or some. That's back when I was creeping in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sections.

[Joe Budden]

Make it look like we here together. Hey, take the. Come on, Johnny Nunes.

[Parks]

Hurry up.

[Joe Budden]

Take the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Take the pic.

[Parks]

Yo, remember. Remember that time we went to stadium, bro?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yo, I remember everywhere I went broke.

[Parks]

Yo, that was n. We. We, we. That was nasty. Whatever you remember, that was nasty. Y' all went to stadium with no money, dog. Not just that. Stadium accommodated and let sit on the. Like it was the VIP on the stage or some too. Y' all borrow money from the strip club.

[Joe Budden]

It was bad.

[Parks]

It was bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Budden]

It's just flabbergasted.

[Parks]

Oh, you gave a performance.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't perform at the Marriott afterwards.

[Parks]

That little cheap shit right there on.

[Joe Budden]

New York after Yo Ma. Yo, the you talking about we had a Little Marriott in D.C. yes, sir. Hello.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be back in two minutes.

[Joe Budden]

The stadium still open? No, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

The funny about stadium, that was crazy. That was a. That was a world class steakhouse next door.

[Parks]

Oh, I mean, because they had a.

[Joe Budden]

Restaurant next door that. That restaurant was one of the best steakhouses around. And they would bring the food over to you while you with the. Anyway, forget it, man. Man, cool. Forget it. Look at this.

[Parks]

I randomly thought about that shit. We looked terrible in here that night.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, come out with me one night, man. Come out with me. Come out with me one night.

[Parks]

Steak, sausage, get some meat.

[Joe Budden]

Went to Starless with Jermaine Dupri.

[Ish]

Oh, how was it?

[Parks]

Oh, how was it?

[Joe Budden]

Fun. It was a fun time.

[Ish]

It was a good night or a bad night there?

[Joe Budden]

Bad night is what made it a good night.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it was just us and then just came Justice. Scissor and Black Justice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he came.

[Parks]

Summer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, summer. I'm sorry. And my man Chad was there, who apparently is JD's best friend. Chad used to be a producer. I don't know what he's doing now, but he looks amazing. Still looks amazing. We had a really good time in there, but JD is from Atlanta, so, I mean, I'm coming here to sit at Holly Bar. Cause that's the homie, right?

[Parks]

Holly was in there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Holly working. There's nobody in there. So I'm sitting there, cuz. That's the homie. But now out of town is here it is. Oh, I'm here for you. We had a good time.

[Parks]

She walked over there with that soft skin.

[Joe Budden]

We had. We had a good time in there that night.

[Parks]

She always got to touch your hand. She give you a Red Bull, she touch your hand.

[Joe Budden]

She know the game. She know the game. She know the game. She was. She was. She was walking down to have a conversation at the other end of the bar. And J D was like, I know that zone. Go ahead, live, nigga. We can't be in here together too long. But we had a good time sitting back watching niggas. Yeah, we had too much fun. I had taped some shit and put it out. I was like, hey, I'm going to delete that before people wake up. Let me see what else is important. What is on my list? Freddie and Benny squashing in the airport. Or. Or. Or maybe.

[Mel]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Ish]

I hope so.

[Joe Budden]

Or not.

[Ish]

It looked dope.

[Joe Budden]

The airport is another one of those places, man, where play around.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Play around.

[Parks]

They got you dungeon. Don't play that at the airport. Yeah, no, somebody might dungeon you in the airport.

[Joe Budden]

You said, I want to have beef with somebody that know we shouldn't fight in the airport. Real good.

[Parks]

You got hope. Yeah, I don't have any faith in society.

[Joe Budden]

He probably looking for us.

[Parks]

We're going on a side mission. We gotta wait and see.

[Joe Budden]

Real time Reporting here from Benny and Freddy at the airport. West side. At some point, started commentating. Yeah, I thought that this was. That's what this was here. Taking a while. Let's see now.

[Ish]

You might get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That might be the other video.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't the one.

[Ish]

That's the other.

[Joe Budden]

Where's the one of my man commentating this?

[Parks]

And I like what he said.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. We ain't gonna keep.

[Parks]

Yo, look, either it's all out or nothing. Like, what are you doing? What are we doing? We're not gonna keep doing this. Either Y' all gonna go all out war or we.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Parks]

I can dead this now.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I don't. I don't support that. This platform is too big. So let me not even play around. I don't support none of that beef. It happened already. Y' all did what y' all did. Y' all both are putting projects out. You both two of our better rappers. I. With both of y'. All. I can't. I can't sit here and make jokes about the. So I hope that it's over. I hope that it's squashed. I hope y' all came to some type of understanding. It ain't worth nothing. It ain't worth nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

That's. That's my. My real opinion on the matter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's real.

[Joe Budden]

But, boy, it was funny to see that. And I've been in that situation, boy. You see somebody at gate 49, it's right. Your gate right there. Now it's like, all right, we here. I was beefing with. Was smart enough to have security with him in the airport. That's when I Knew it was levels. My security. Meet me outside at the parking lot.

[Parks]

My man.

[Joe Budden]

That's when I learned my man is my security. That's a mistake. It costs a little more for them to come to the gate. Make sure you get on the plane. Shout out to both of those brothers. Man, we not with none of that at all. No. What else, what else, what else, what else? What else is important, unimportant. I love this part. Everybody shut up. Everybody, don't say a word. Mel, I think this is a great time to get to that topic that you were so well versed on. Meh.

[Mel]

Am I though? I'll just say the broad strokes of it.

[Joe Budden]

None of us wanted to talk about it.

[Mel]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Well, we didn't bring it up. Like I saw him now.

[Mel]

Okay, well, Candace Owens is being sued right now. She's being sued because she has doubled down or repeatedly said, and then doubled down, that the president of France's wife is a man. And they are now suing her for defamation. And she is. Well, there's actually a video of her talking about this and she's wondering where President Trump and J.D. vance are now that she's being sued.

[Joe Budden]

You got it queued up?

[Mel]

I got it queued up.

[Joe Budden]

What do you know? I mean, there you go, right there. Ready?

[Mel]

That is not it.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Right. What's your screen saver?

[Parks]

What's that?

[Mel]

It's me and my mom.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. That's beautiful.

[Mel]

Thank you. Just look at him. Waiting, just waiting.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's the best picture right out of there. If it was your dad, it'd be okay.

[Mel]

Here we go. No, that's not the one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Mel]

I'll find it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but what do you think about it?

[Mel]

Well, also, what she's also doing is selling T shirts to, you know, try and raise funds for, you know, her. Her legal fees, which she says are going to be really, really high. And, well, I mean, like, that's kind of like what you get. You can't walk around fucking defaming people. You can't. It's called libel. You can't do that. And a lot of opinion is spoken as if it's fact, and there's a consequence for that. And that's the take.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's interesting to watch this play out. One of the things Candace Owens does is trafficking conspiracies and conspiracy theories. And the Internet is filled with right wing conspiracy theories, whether it's Pizzagate, whether it's all these things. Right. And one of the ones that was circulating Is. And they did this with Michelle Obama too, to some extent, is that Brigitte Macron, the wife of Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, was born a male at birth and has been masquerading as a woman ever since. And they start showing pictures and try to pull up her family tree and they try to do all these things to make you believe it's true. The evidence isn't good. Right. Cause it's not true. Let me be clear.

[Guest Artist]

Clear.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not true.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Us here, we here at the Joe Button podcast, saying it's not true.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But even if you were inclined to believe her, she hasn't made a good case for it. I think part of why they do that is because they assume that this person is so big and so famous and in another country that I can make all this money with conspiracy theories and they're not gonna do shit if I say the Prime Minister of, I don't know, wherever, Uganda, whatever.

[Parks]

Like Germany.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Done some shit. Yeah. They're not thinking about me on over here, but Candace Owens has a huge.

[Joe Budden]

Platform and sometimes they. They have time. Today, that's actually where the phrase come from.

[Parks]

Today I got time.

[Mel]

And they repeatedly asked her to stop. She was repeatedly asked to stop. So then they went to hire. They went and hired a PI to try to figure out just how deep the rabbit hole went on this particular subject to find out who she might be aligned with. And they discovered a lot of stuff as to who she's aligned with that are their enemies from, like, other countries.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Mel]

So.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And sometimes you become, and I don't mean this to disrespect Candace, but you become a useful idiot for people. Right. Like she might actually believe. I don't think Candace is necessarily lying. I think she might actually believe this conspiracy theory because these people are in her ear feeding her information that may or may not be true. Because I've heard, again, I've watched this play out before, but she's gonna take the brunt of the heat for it. Not these people behind the scenes, she's the one who's gonna. She could lose all of her money. And reaching out to Trump and them. For me, it reminds me of. What's the point guard, New York that just got locked up?

[Joe Budden]

Sebastian.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he got caught in. Caught up in his NBA healthcare scam, sentenced to a small stretch in prison. He's about to go off now, Sebastian.

[Joe Budden]

He'S on camera asking Donald Trump for a part that's the same as Joe. Exotic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Exactly. Everybody thinks Donald Trump, especially these negroes think Donald Trump is gonna save them and he's not at all.

[Joe Budden]

At all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. That's the other thing. Trump actually told her to stop. Cuz Trump doesn't want smoke with France. He got enough enemies in Europe, he don't need another one. Right? Not based on Candace Owens or any other right wing commentator. So Trump ain't gonna save you. But there's a lesson out there for all y' all celebrities out there, especially black right leaning ones. Trump is not your savior. He's not your messiah. He's not.

[Joe Budden]

Well in this lesson we've talked about here with just much smaller bloggers that just say about people and then end up getting sued. We. We've been saying that you cannot. Yep. I know we in the what. What it push you to say they content create. I despise that. Like I know we in that era now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So you called it meddling, peddling conspiracy theory. Are just saying you can't. We do need to get back to some type of checks and balances. Absolutely. Yeah. You can't just say that is a dude, right?

[Parks]

Nah. But the funny part is they were doing that to Michelle Obama in Sierra.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Back in the day.

[Parks]

I still would like to know how that started.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some hater in their house talking.

[Joe Budden]

No, but that was like that's it.

[Parks]

Yeah, but that was like pre Internet and that still went everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

That flew.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's.

[Parks]

I'm like how did that. I get how something could phone today.

[Joe Budden]

Phone game again, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cuz it wasn't pre Internet but it was pre social media.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry, sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But, but social media. So, so. But you know back in the day, the bulletin boards, the chat groups plus gossip radio, I mean there was a time where all you had to do is hit the power stations or the hot stations and if you get one radio disc jockey, I mean think about the power Wendy Williams had to spread rumors about people. That's all it takes. That's true.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Parks]

That makes sense.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And it's unfortunate.

[Parks]

I thought about that like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But yeah.

[Parks]

Can't just run around saying shit, fuck around and find out I ain't got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No sympathy especially for a civil suit. You deserve it.

[Parks]

Especially in this instance because hey, the person you're looking up to to save you said hey stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Parks]

Like the people that's suing you said hey stop. Oh you ain't listening to nobody. All right, well here you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Deal with it. Don't come crying now. I concur.

[Joe Budden]

Are y' all gonna donate to her GoFundMe?

[Parks]

Absolutely not.

[Joe Budden]

Are you gonna donate Mark to her GoFundMe?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I am not. Candace got more money than me, so Candace is killing it.

[Joe Budden]

You killing it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I am not.

[Joe Budden]

Does she have more money than you and Mel combined?

[Mel]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Is that why you two seem to have axe to grind with her?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love free dialogue. I appreciate her platform. I want Candace to thrive.

[Mel]

Yeah. I'm gonna let Mark speak for me on this one.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you have an axe to grind?

[Mel]

I just let Mark speak for me on this one. I concur.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We have no access to grind on Candace.

[Joe Budden]

Look at him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Candace been on night school.

[Joe Budden]

Pizza Hut spokes.

[Mel]

In this instance, I will be Pizza Hut.

[Joe Budden]

What else? What else is important or unimportant to you guys?

[Parks]

Yo, tell us, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. You.

[Parks]

You and Ish had a beef with the out of state contractors. Man, Ish don't have a beef with nobody. Y' all was talking about them.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna kill them niggas. It ain't a beef.

[Parks]

You can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't a beef. We was talking about topics to go on the board, so I tossed one out there, which was how do contractors act when you live in a whole nother state and you done paid them some money to do a job and then they ain't finished in 14 months.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesus. And they're just standing there.

[Mel]

They started at you take their time.

[Parks]

They started.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. He wrote some shit on some walls with a. He wrote some X's with an X here, a T over here a I here. The cabinets is down.

[Parks]

He's right.

[Joe Budden]

Exit the crib. Ain't but 600 square feet.

[Parks]

Feet. Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

They've been mad long, dog.

[Parks]

That's your family's old house.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I don't want to say where it is, but. Or what it is, cuz it's known. But yeah. These are crazy. I tell people and then I show up. I'm trying to have a serious conversation. Mad as could be somebody. I'm. I'm sitting there like, you going to smile in my face. Money talking about.

[Parks]

No, I just try to keep a.

[Joe Budden]

Smile on every day because life can get rough. I'mma kill you.

[Parks]

No, it's about to get rough right now.

[Joe Budden]

Life is about to get rough in two seconds.

[Parks]

Better leave that alone.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Parks]

That sound like the reply of a nut case. I'm smiling. Smiling because in my head, I done.

[Joe Budden]

Killed all you did. You better Lead. I mean, I don't really have much to say. These contractors are nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Contracts are trash. When you. When they in state.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like if they come to your house every day, they might take twice as long.

[Parks]

I tell all the time, like, stop playing with that. Out of state estate property. Everybody think that's the move. You could just go to Detroit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, they giving houses away for a dollar.

[Parks]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Parks]

Keep playing down there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yes. The Angela Yee portfolio. What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, don't say that.

[Joe Budden]

No, she did go down and she documented it. It was a thing. I'm not being funny. She went down there when was reportedly low and. And caked up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think she built some housing for women too, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, actually. See, I always think I'm joking around. It just does sound funny. I was about to say to Mel, did what? That little town Mel went to and bought them houses. Jersey City, Pittsburgh, some shit where you went. Jersey City. Mel been having the time too. They been kicking your ass. You don't ever come talk about it.

[Mel]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Remember you wanted to get some niggas out of there. You had some real estate problems. You was having stressing.

[Mel]

No insurance. It was insurance. The insurance was playing with me.

[Joe Budden]

Did you set them straight?

[Parks]

You had a claim?

[Mel]

No, it's not that. Like the insurance companies suddenly don't want to insure homes that have flat roofs. And I was like, you know what has flat roofs? Fucking brownstones. You know what has a lot of brownstones? Jersey and fucking New York. So how are you gonna say that? We don't wanna like insure. That was the issue. It was like. It was ridiculous.

[Joe Budden]

So you only have a brownstone?

[Mel]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Is it brown?

[Mel]

Like the building is brown? Yes, it is.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Guest Artist]

It is brown.

[Joe Budden]

This is Mel doing her thing again. All right. How many people believe it's a brownstone?

[Parks]

I seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Cause if it's a brown, is it a brownstone?

[Parks]

I've seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Is it a brown. Is it a brownstone? Never mind.

[Mel]

That was not convincing.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. What you want me to say?

[Parks]

I said I've seen it. I said yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like.

[Joe Budden]

Like that was on the Cosby Show.

[Parks]

Similar.

[Joe Budden]

He tried a PC way out.

[Parks]

You're from Jersey City. You know Jersey City. Certain areas got mad brown stones.

[Joe Budden]

That is true. They. They do. I also know that those may be different than the ones that are in Brooklyn.

[Mel]

I mean.

[Parks]

No, they're comparable.

[Joe Budden]

Are they?

[Parks]

Yes. Yeah, over there. Jersey Ave. All up by that little parking show.

[Joe Budden]

And you don't want. With the hat Come right over there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Girl.

[Mel]

I got cameras. Leave my alone.

[Joe Budden]

He going to come over there, offer.

[Mel]

You a nice alarm systems and shit. I don't live over there.

[Parks]

Yeah, why ain't just ask for an insurance company?

[Mel]

I got it worked out, I promise.

[Parks]

Gotcha.

[Mel]

I'm tenacious, I'm resilient. Before like if shit falls apart, I'll ask you.

[Parks]

Gotcha.

[Mel]

Okay, thank you. I appreciate that though.

[Joe Budden]

Anywho, how do you pick and choose what to ask Ish and what to ask Mark and what to ask like your network work?

[Mel]

I think about what everybody's strengths are.

[Joe Budden]

Can you tell us what our strengths are?

[Mel]

No, not right now.

[Joe Budden]

Please. What are. What are our strength? We don't even know.

[Mel]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see, let's see, let's see. What else? What else, what else? What else is important? Unimport. I did bump into Murder Mook at the airport when I landed in Columbia.

[Parks]

Oh, you see the Face Off?

[Joe Budden]

I saw parts of it, but I didn't need to. I seen Hitman Holla. Freestyle. Yeah, I saw Murder Mook in the airport down there.

[Parks]

Oh, they had it already.

[Joe Budden]

The Face off, not the battle.

[Parks]

The battle was next month.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. I landed and saw Murder Mook face to face. I saw him.

[Parks]

How'd that go?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he was very sober. He was headed out there for the Face Off. He looked very focused. Gotcha.

[Parks]

That's all I took from his face.

[Joe Budden]

He looked like he ain't even remember none of them jokes. I said, joe, what up? Love you. Good to see you. I'm out here, my daughter's in college. Gotta make a run. Get with you here.

[Parks]

We got the Face off now he remembered he ain't want have the frivolous rap.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's over that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking shit. But I'm just saying he looked focused and sober.

[Parks]

I'mma keep it a buck. I watched the Face Off. I ain't never seen that focused of a mook like he looked like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. I don't think it bodes well for Hitman.

[Parks]

Yo, dog, when Murder Mo Mook is on his A game. I don't think we've seen his A game.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, we've seen his A game.

[Parks]

No, no, no, no. I say that I've seen. We've seen his A game.

[Joe Budden]

It just always changes.

[Parks]

Let me. Let me finish. I don't think we've seen the A game he's coming with because I've never seen him look this focused prior to a battle. That's what I'M saying, did you see him prior to. What's the. You was at total slaughter? Yes, I saw him and his peoples when they walked in, and he didn't look like that.

[Joe Budden]

Two, one, mooc.

[Parks]

I don't know if I don't want to write Hitman off. It's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

I can't do that. But I'm not about to be stupid. I'm going to one move. I'm not betting against Mooc ever. Not as focused as he was.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah. All of the performatives.

[Joe Budden]

Excuse me?

[Parks]

All of the performative that Hitman was doing, the jokes and all that MOOC was just sitting there like, bro, listen, let's go. Yeah. And that level of it was like a cerebral, cerebral game he was playing with him where I'm not even. Let's go. I. I will battle you now.

[Joe Budden]

My segue that has nothing to do with battle rap. So now all y' all out there want to Jamie Lee Curtis, huh?

[Ish]

Horny ass.

[Parks]

Yeah, I was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did I miss this?

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Mel]

Because of Freaky Friday?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

She got a little cleavage out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jamie Lee Curt like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yes, Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Another Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Parks]

No, no, it's that one.

[Joe Budden]

No, the Jamie Lee Curtis cut a promo for some Disney she's doing.

[Parks]

They did Freaky Year Friday, which is freaky like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, the movie is Freaky Friday.

[Mel]

Freakier Friday.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And she had some cleavage out and.

[Parks]

Everybody got started to hear me out.

[Ish]

And she's been nuded movies before.

[Parks]

I'm pretty sure I would have knocked her head off in that Arnold Schwarzenegger shit.

[Joe Budden]

You would have knocked the head off yesterday.

[Parks]

True lies. She looked amazing. True lies. But you said you would Jeie.

[Joe Budden]

But we've named when we did the White Milk list.

[Parks]

But have you seen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have I seen what?

[Parks]

Look at a picture of Jeie Buss.

[Joe Budden]

All I'm saying is that Ish Ish has said on his pod that. I mean. Oh, yeah, but look, who cares how old you are?

[Parks]

Jamie Lee Curtis don't look like Jeannie Bus.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, so you would not Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see the. The picture?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

I've seen her.

[Joe Budden]

Her.

[Parks]

I told y', all, I'll pop Martha Stewart. And I wouldn't pop Jam Lee Curtis.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever y' all cooking over there. I'm eating some up here. Yeah, y' all doing a lot of movement. I'm smelling ribs. Whatever's going on over there, I'm eating some of it. So I'm just telling y' all these doing a lot before Sleepers. What was the sleeper just said that.

[Parks]

We taking lunch now.

[Joe Budden]

Let me see, let me see, let me see, let me see. Chance album is crazy new. Ken the man. We'll get to that gun and sells 80k. Oh yeah. Okay, I have down here. Let's play who's a billionaire? Only because I listened to y' all the last episode and we do that here a lot. We do that a lot. We gotta. We have to stop doing that.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Budden]

What thing was you that said that JD's a billionaire in last episode?

[Parks]

I said he probably knocking on it. And I think that what we don't do is everybody don't be wanting the public notoriety of everybody being in a business. Like it's a bunch of billionaires that Forbes have not acknowledged. Cause they don't wanna play that game.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even wanna throw Forbes in. Cause then that blurs the line.

[Parks]

No, I'm just giving you an example. Cause a lot of people take the billionaire thing only from Forbes.

[Joe Budden]

How many billionaires you think there are in the world? No, not in the world, but in our entertainment circle, in our entertainment world or entertainment, I don't believe there's as many as 20.

[Parks]

We say maybe 10.

[Joe Budden]

20.

[Ish]

20. I don't think it's 20.

[Mel]

I don't even think it's. Yeah.

[Parks]

Tyler Perry, Jay Z, Oprah, Rihanna. That's four. Beyonce Braun.

[Ish]

Beyonce.

[Parks]

Is she official by herself?

[Ish]

I think so.

[Parks]

She's knocking. If she's not there, she was knocking on the door. Like I'm saying, JD has had a high level of success for the last 30 plus years in the music industry. As a writer, as a producer, as a choreographer, label owner, all of that shit, he was doing that shit at a high level when was interns. So if Puff is potentially knocking on the door to a billion dollars, which.

[Joe Budden]

People say he is not through music.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's it. You get what I'm saying? A lot of the entertainers that got to the beat, he left music and did something else. They did other. But a lot of people that were entertainers weren't as hands on as him. Like that nigga's writing for Mariah. That nigga's writing for. He's writing platinum and diamond albums, bro. He, his, his, his involvement in music and I'm sure what his royalties.

[Joe Budden]

Look, you don't believe Mariah's a billionaire?

[Parks]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And you don't believe Usher's a billionaire?

[Parks]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he's worth like a quarter of a billion. A quarter of a billion? I don't think it was particularly close, but.

[Joe Budden]

And that ain't nothing to sneeze at.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

But a billion?

[Parks]

No. And again, I don't know if he's a billionaire. I'm saying I think he's. He's closer than what we might give him credit for.

[Joe Budden]

I really enjoyed our Jermaine Dupree.

[Parks]

Amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it was great.

[Mel]

It was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was great.

[Joe Budden]

I really, really, really enjoyed our Jermaine Dupree pre interview. It was really, really. It was. It was.

[Parks]

I really enjoyed it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have anything else that is super uber.

[Parks]

Well, you got Nick Cannon.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have mat. A billion.

[Mel]

300 million.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't have it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Close to a billion. I think we getting.

[Mel]

I met 300.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I bet Nick Cannon is worth $100 million. Between 75 and $100 million tops, if I was just guessing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, right.

[Mel]

He said 175.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, between like 75 and 100. A billion dollars. A lot of fucking millions.

[Joe Budden]

Where you got him at?

[Parks]

A half.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A half a billion.

[Joe Budden]

From where, though?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nick Cannon.

[Joe Budden]

From where? Half the talk. It's an interesting talk. From where?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me see. Yeah, 50 million.

[Parks]

Nick Cannon owns Wild N Out. He's owned wild n out 100% for over a decade before. Before MTV got wind of him owning it 100%. He came up here and said that whether he's lying lying or telling the truth, we don't know. Nick Cannon has had mad all the. That we don't take stake in. Like that masked singer and all that stupid, bro. Those are hit shows. We don't watch them old people. Them shirts are hit hit shows that we don't be giving credit for. Some of these people be behind the scenes and be the executive producer on the show or the creator of those shows that be getting pitched to networks that said, you, yo, my Nigga, I was 17 years old. I had an office. I was the president of fucking Def Jam Kids and was the vice president of nickelodeon at 17 years old. These niggas be having a lot of executive money that be coming in the door that we don't know about. They be creating mad shit. I remember Nick Cannon bought what was the clothing line PNB. I don't remember back in the day. Yeah, PNB Nation. Like he bought that shit 20 years ago. Like niggas was doing a bunch of shit. I don't know. Cause we pocket watching. We just assuming. I'm just saying, I think a lot of niggas.

[Joe Budden]

It's interesting that you have him where you have him and not Mariah. When Nick has always said that.

[Parks]

He said when he first.

[Joe Budden]

My money and her money ain't.

[Parks]

When he first met her, he said. He said, yo, when I first met her, it was a different animal. But when I walked out the door when we was finished, it wasn't a different animal. No.

[Joe Budden]

No more.

[Parks]

That's what he said.

[Joe Budden]

What does the Internet have Nick Cannon's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Worth at 50 million? Mariah Network is 350 million. That's what I'm saying.

[Parks]

And I think Nick Cannon or 50.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Million, even if you were worth five times that, that's still.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm with Mark. Even if I gave him the 50 might be wrong. Cool. The 50 might be underselling it. Whatever it is. I don't have him at close to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have close to half a billion.

[Joe Budden]

A billion.

[Parks]

That's a lot of money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a lot of fucking money. It's hard to be worth a billion, dog. If anything, I think more people are over inflating their. Their inflating their net worth now. I don't think it's too many people.

[Parks]

I just read while y' all was talking what the Internet got Jermaine Dupree act, and I was like, this can't be right.

[Joe Budden]

Three million. Three million.

[Mel]

Three million.

[Joe Budden]

That's wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Three million.

[Parks]

It don't say. It said. It said he peaked in the mid-2000s at 60 million, but due to bad business deals, tax liens, and foreclosure closures, his net worth has dramatically decreased.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care how much it decreased. It ain't as many million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, of course not.

[Parks]

I'm not rolling with that. You know what I'm saying? Like that.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Parks]

But that proves your point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, well, I think some people. Yeah, I think some people don't report. But to think that he was somehow now worth a billion, particularly given one he doesn't claim to be, and given how much he's committed to showing that he's a peer of dream and Puff and all these people, it seems hard to me that he would all let all these people claim billionaire status or near billionaire status. And he's so far from. I think, if anything, it'd be the opposite.

[Parks]

All of them that you've mentioned, the Dre's, the Puffs, they all kind of.

[Joe Budden]

Did the same thing.

[Parks]

They built something up and sold it off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

You get what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Headphones and alcohol. Yeah. Closed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he's not doing. That's what I thought he would get. A billion dollars. Yeah.

[Parks]

Any of those avenues or half. You know, they got Joe net worth at $6 million as of April.

[Joe Budden]

And it said that when Joe's net worth was $2.

[Parks]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, it's at 4.

[Parks]

4 million.

[Joe Budden]

It's at 4 million when it was $2.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I'm not saying the Internet is accurate, you know, at all.

[Joe Budden]

We know the Internet's not accurate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Especially like the AI searches. But I'm saying some things are just based on my own calculations of what people. Of what's possible.

[Joe Budden]

It has to come from somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like I could imagine where certain things come from, you know? Know, you know, like I said, if you're not selling a business off, if you're not having these ancillary things, it's hard to imagine. That's just a lot of money.

[Parks]

Now I see. He go and sell back to Nick Cannon. He go and sell wilding out to Viacom for boom. Now we got. Now we. Now. Now I see where it comes from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

How much y' all think a TV show is worth?

[Joe Budden]

Watch the TV show. Yeah. Oh, his TV show, you said.

[Ish]

Or just something of. Of that nature, you think it's worth a billion dollars?

[Parks]

No, no.

[Ish]

Think it's worth $500 million?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't think it's worth $50 million.

[Parks]

No. It depends on the show. It depends on the show.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that Wild N out is worth $100 million.

[Parks]

If academics said that he got offered 35 or $40 million for half of his catalog. So academics came up here and said, we don't know if it's accurate. We don't know if he's telling the truth. But if academics. Half of academics catalog is worth 35 to 40 million dollars. Wild N out is worth 100 million dollars.

[Joe Budden]

And that's our problem right there.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't think that's the right apples and oranges. And it's also.

[Parks]

Just listen to this. All right, cool. We can agree to this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I don't know anything about streaming, but I know a decent amount about how the TV shows. I. I can't think of any syndicated show of Wild N Out sort. The kind that when you look at what it was rating even on MTV and it's prime. I can't see anybody paying million dollars for that or 50 or. Or. I mean, you got it. I don't want to drop it too much.

[Joe Budden]

I could count four to five shows that are worth a Billion dollars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I didn't say boondocks. I don't think the boondock. Boondock. Not worth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you got to go to the Wheel of Fortune.

[Joe Budden]

You need.

[Parks]

You got to go to, like, the.

[Joe Budden]

You need the boondock.

[Mel]

The.

[Joe Budden]

This is a quick South Park.

[Parks]

South park just got 1.5.

[Ish]

This is a quick.

[Parks]

Two months ago.

[Joe Budden]

A quick 1.5.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Ish]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

That's who I was talking about. I'm sorry.

[Ish]

Seinfeld is worth 3 billion. Last. The last deal with it was 500 million for Netflix. This is Seinfeld.

[Joe Budden]

The Office.

[Ish]

The Office is in that stratosphere, I'm sure. Cheers.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe Seinfeld is in there.

[Ish]

Frasier, he said Simpsons.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm probably.

[Parks]

I didn't say a billion. Say a billion dollars.

[Joe Budden]

That's where that stops.

[Parks]

He has 20 seasons of. Of a show. That's what you need. The back catalog.

[Joe Budden]

The. The.

[Parks]

The 20. 20 seasons of a show that have mad replay value. We've been watching Wilding out for the last 20 years on TV.

[Joe Budden]

No, we haven't.

[Parks]

No, we have not. No, we haven't.

[Joe Budden]

That's the thing, okay?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, the ratings don't suggest that.

[Joe Budden]

No, we haven't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

With Nick and support him and everything he does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Ish]

I don't want to sound like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's not a knock. I don't think it's a billion.

[Parks]

I think it was a billion. I said $100 million. Nobody said a billion. I said, yo, if academics could get half of his catalog is worth 75 or 80 million dollars.

[Joe Budden]

But when you say that, what. What is the academics. Catalog. Catalog of what?

[Parks]

Whatever he's done.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's not a catalog.

[Parks]

Now we getting into some shit that.

[Joe Budden]

No, I just wanted to understand. I don't remember him saying that. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said, hey. I said, why Wild Nile as a brand is reportedly worth $500 million. No, if it says that Nick claims that it's worth 500. But as a brand. Right. That's different than selling shows. And again, I still don't even think that that's true. But even if I were to accept the premise.

[Parks]

If it's worth a hundred. I said 100.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't think. I just. I don't want to go in circles, but based on any show that's ever been sold in the history of tv, I just. That doesn't seem. That doesn't seem like a accurate number to me.

[Guest Artist]

Me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I could be wrong. I could be Wrong. But I. If you look at the. Again, I don't know if any show on MTV is worth that. Any, any show. I'm just thinking about what the numbers.

[Joe Budden]

Jehome.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just not a platform that has those. That kind of replay.

[Ish]

I don't think that there's many shows in the history of television that are worth that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Or in the future of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of money.

[Ish]

There might be maybe 20 shows, maybe gotcha. That are in that.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[Ish]

But.

[Joe Budden]

And if I were to pretend that it was a $500 million thing, then I would assume that that's a 10 time multiple.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like right now they said Mr. Beast Games through the deal with Amazon is worth $100 million. But.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And again, what does it mean to be worth that? Are we talking about licensing? Are we talking about ownership? Ownership.

[Parks]

I mean, net worth goes into whatever your quote, unquote, assets are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna say this. If Nick Cannon could sell Wild N out right now for $500 million, I guarantee you he would have sold it.

[Parks]

Nope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I tell you that.

[Parks]

But bro, y' all putting a number that I didn't say, I didn't say $500 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To the AI.

[Parks]

So he did, he did the Los Angeles Times articles and they had him at $50 million net worth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And he told the Los Angeles Times whether he's telling the truth or he's not, that he makes $100 million a year. This is what he said. So I don't know if he's telling the truth, but if you give him half of that, he had $50 million a year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it. Yeah.

[Parks]

And he's lying and saying, I make a hundred, I'm gonna assume he makes 50.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So let's play that out. Think of everybody, you know who makes $50 million a year. How many of them are billionaires?

[Parks]

I don't know that many people that make.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just look at sports. I mean, there's a lot of people that make $50 million a year now. And none of them are billionaires.

[Parks]

They haven't made $50 million for a long time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know how long they made $50 million. I mean, if you think about.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's the thing. Because if somebody hit 50 million one year, general public, public assume that they hit that every year. Every year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because three years ago, Nick was scrambling to recover after the, the controversy he had from this stuff he said on his Internet show. So I don't. So brand deals were going up and down he's had. I'm just saying he's had up and downs. And I love and support Nick. I'm just saying he's had ups and downs like everybody else. I don't know. I just.

[Ish]

I do think that we put the long story short, we put the billion dollars on a lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

It's not that many billionaires in the world.

[Ish]

And I also don't think it's right to shame or discredit even $50 million. You are rich as you are loaded if you have $50 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even Joe's little 20.

[Parks]

Yeah, you know, it's a little 20.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're a little 20.

[Parks]

Little you got a little.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. Yeah. 20 would be 100 you before you know it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There you go. We all. We all going to benefit.

[Joe Budden]

Just keep doing what y' all supposed. There you go. There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's when we get the real markers.

[Joe Budden]

If y' all keep working hard. 20th. We going to be good, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

We going to be good. We going to fix all that. Was it par. Par what?

[Parks]

Yeah, Periwinkle.

[Mel]

Paris. Yeah. Periscope.

[Joe Budden]

Mel got four tricks when she get in the bind.

[Parks]

Yo, dog, Mel got four. You want sleepers?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sleepers.

[Parks]

It's about that time.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy. Okay, so I was talking about the Chris Brown concert earlier. I think I am going to play a Chris Brown sleeper. I forgot who I was telling this to, but I went back to. You know, I've been playing old album albums. I've been playing old albums. I played Heartbreak on the Full moon, front to back.

[Parks]

Amazing, amazing project.

[Joe Budden]

It's real hard for anybody to tell me that that's not Chris Brown's best album.

[Parks]

I've been.

[Joe Budden]

I'm open to the conversation, but I found songs on there that were new. That. Damn, I forgot about this.

[Parks]

A lot of people, they saw the track.

[Joe Budden]

You don't get past and you don't go, yeah, you don't get past. But. But the heat is heat. After 30 and 60, if you count both of them is heat. 90% of heartbreak on a full moon is heat.

[Parks]

Correct.

[Joe Budden]

90% of it correct. I don't even play the deluxe, cuz that's where I start getting confused. See, I separate the deluxe. Yeah, he confused me with separate project. Did all that. But. But I'm going with this must be track 33, 32, something like that. I'm going with Chris Brown. This record is called Even. I forgot that this was one of my favorite Chris Brown records. I better stop playing with that boy.

[Parks]

But remember the time in there you.

[Joe Budden]

Better stop playing with that boy.

[Guest Rapper]

When.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You had enough of my creeper I never got up your bags and said you were leaving you found a new man even now, even now it's funny how everything seems to even now.

[Joe Budden]

Even now I I wish you could put.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It behind you Wish you put up your blindness Wish you would stop listening to your friends come so I know I won't find us Wish you would just keep your focus on me so I can give you a remind me that I can be who I'm supposed to I can do better I know.

[Joe Budden]

You remember.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every single night you living life I in love Every single time.

[Joe Budden]

I was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To keep you around look in where I wind up look where.

[Guest Artist]

I end up Remember the time when.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We fell in love cuz I remember the night know you had enough of my creeping baby he was was only whole season maybe and it a even really had nothing to do with you no it was already cuz I was trying to see the world like a double and you was trying to hold me back I want to let you go ahead of me I let you.

[Joe Budden]

Go and I knew I should have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never let you go ahead of me you remember never Every single night you live a life in love Every single time I was doing right enough to keep you around now look at where I end up look where I end up.

[Joe Budden]

Remember one day y' all gonna stop playing with this man man or not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Up now you remember the time when we fell in love.

[Joe Budden]

You hang up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My creeping baby.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all going to learn one of these days I ain't going to hold you.

[Parks]

I don't think they are, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

They are.

[Parks]

I don't think so.

[Joe Budden]

They ain't gonna have a choice. That was one of my favorite parts of the JD Interview. Like if you just read between the lines.

[Parks]

He said it.

[Joe Budden]

I mean that was brand new old music from Chris Christopher Maurice Brown. That record is called Even One Day. And I love him going on tour and probably dropping what's going to be one of his better albums coming up. I love him touring and then dropping album album on this. Y' all gonna learn. Don't worry about it. We'll get to it.

[Parks]

Oh man. I'm going to to Atlanta. This record is called Pull up by Young Nudie.

[Guest Rapper]

Everybody did that. He did that. He did deserve this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Press.

[Guest Rapper]

I am the best. Pull up in that red vet know I got the check to throw some Ds on that chest bottle Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast pull up hood so fresh go to Chris I am the best I pull up in that red vet know I got the check and throw some Ds on that chest bottle Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast I go v O A you broke ass better keep up with me.

[Parks]

Wife.

[Guest Rapper]

Of material but not for me you wouldn't believe her but now you can see don't got no answers and don't got the key like a man I know she a freak never would cuffing unless it's a lick you know my brother then I'm not a brick you ever sl a back door blaming his dick front door I'm at the back with your don't have to call him I'm blocking handle your business. You want your back you want your back stole from it I don't know how he did that I wouldn't take and I never was still any don't know it's a difference I do not respect but anyway back to the money my you know who be flexing I'm having this money this money I'm getting this goofy pull up hood so fresh motocross I am the best come up in it red no I got the chat to throw some Ds on that chest by the Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast pull up hood so fresh motocross I am the best pull up in that red vet know I got the check to throw some Ds on that chest by the Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast I go v on the I didn't have no clue I had it moving and I go fast I ain't baby, I'm not choosing I'm good and I'm high on a who choosing and she burn I tell a to move don't blow my eye I'm not coming down if you want to get on my low A lot of drugs around take a strong roll up blast it's good without the pound and you know we pop them purse and we wash it down good L good l good I remember we had activist at P Now they out here they just penny pinching they want green and they like them presto drugs miss it with the clean clean clean clean have you ever dozed all kind of honey cheese hung got a white watch that dough dog you can't get no sleep now I'm on the outer raw now I'm good so fresh water crust I am the best I pull up in that red vet know I got to check and throw some Ds on that chest model Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast Pull up hood so fresh motocross I am the best pull up in a red vet know I got the check to throw some Ds on that chest about a Cadillac to throw some Ds on that and I pull up real fast I go V on the.

[Parks]

And that is pull up by Young Nudie off of his new album paradise in your phone on DSPS right now. Nudie was just added to Jid's tour, which was just announced today.

[Ish]

So I'm just going to that show.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'll be there. December in New York I'm going to Memphis.

[Ish]

This is Juicy J moonwalking off of his keep your head on a swivel project, which is his old project now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Came on like something, didn't it?

[Ish]

Yeah his flow on this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey man, you know she made me.

[Joe Budden]

Want to go out sometimes. I gotta take a few Xanax man.

[Parks]

And smoke some weed.

[Joe Budden]

Just calm down man he stressing out.

[Parks]

Here sometime man I was thinking out loud it's the drugs talking I be high up in the sky I'm just moon walking talk my shit my heart cold like Steve Austin all these hoes on me like fleas I can't get them off I be saying anything it's.

[Joe Budden]

The drugs talk shout out hard on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Them scrubs cause she used to Boston Faustin I got plays one night touch.

[Parks]

Down I be Randy Mosson I be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Baked up on them beans these ain't.

[Parks]

Come from Boston I trip out on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everyday life Rubin this bout her acting.

[Parks]

A sprite got a on the back.

[Joe Budden]

Of the bike and I love when.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She rap on the mic It's a.

[Parks]

War in the hood every day what the do y' all want me to say? Social media put all this on display My young ride with the K she was popping that for the rent when.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She get it it's already spent but she batting a thousand right now I ain't gonna lie this knocking over the fence Hustling hard as they can just.

[Parks]

To up some little on the ground Selling they soul to a phone Trying to keep this out my head hand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm surrounded by all the time this trying to take over my mind if I'm lying my I'm flying white in.

[Joe Budden]

The bathroom doing a line My life should get turned to a script I watch her this is a trip don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Be thinking it's weak cause I'm rich like I'm blind I keep me a.

[Parks]

Stick I was thinking out loud it's the drugs talk I be high up in the sky I'm just moon walking talk my my heart cold like Steve Austin all these hoes on me like fleas I can't get them off I be saying anything it's the drugs talk shaw they're hard on them scrubs cause.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She used to Boston I got plays when I touch down I be random.

[Parks]

I be baked up on them beans.

[Joe Budden]

These ain't come from Boston as Juicy.

[Ish]

J moonwalking off his keep your head on a swivel project which again is his old project. He got a jazz album out now too, which is also dope.

[Parks]

Dope. That all right there that came on I got the I A I ain't listen I just bought it cuz it's Juicy J. I didn't listen to it yet though.

[Ish]

Mark, you're next in line cuz no one else has sent me sleepers.

[Parks]

So I sent you a sleeper.

[Ish]

Oh, you did.

[Parks]

And I sent you a sleeper. Go to Risky by Elaine.

[Ish]

All right, let's do it.

[Guest Artist]

Clarity he said enter at your own risk I am not responsible for the misery I will bring you it's just a matter of time Before I start to destroy you Let me warn you take your time boy let's see what you got boy I thought the first boy this whole break first and you won't be my first time Girl you need just a it bleed by all you need just let it bleed by all you need just let it bleed by all you need just let it bleed I should have taken the first shot But I thought you were something that you I blame it all on my soft spot cause that's the only way that I could but that's not the only reason I'm hurt I know I should have been way more alert I care for you more than anything and you hurt me more than anything and that was a heavy thing. You should have known that loving me is a risk and you should have known that breaking my heart is a risk. You broke your own heart and you played the right part. Take your time boy let's see what you got boy I felt the first boy I still breaks you first and you won't be my first time Cry all you need, just let it bleed Cry all you need just let it bleed Cry all you need just let it bleed Cry all you need just let it bleed.

[Ish]

That is Elaine Risky. That's dope Big Mel, you got mine? I do.

[Mel]

Okay. This is Sid's newest single. It's called Die for this.

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Parks]

Who is that?

[Guest Artist]

I just hate to think of where it might have been if I pulled the r instead of diving in never hit the brakes just keep the ride going really love my life but I would die for this I would die for this this I would after this if you sign up and girl by me I don't even want to put a price on this you won't recognize me when I commit I promise I'm tell it to the world out of mind I can be a girl you be mine trying to be the time of your life we can have forever I know that sometimes I act like a maniac say something crazy don't wind up trying to take it back I'm only comfortable acting like that with you, baby yeah, I said I needed it gave you a heart attack it only took me a couple months to call you back cuz it feels like having one done with you, baby I just hate to think of where we might have been if I pulled the rock instead of diving in never hit the brakes let's keep the ride going really love my life but I would die for this I would die for this I would die for this if I pull the rock and started diving in never hit the brakes let's keep the ride going really love my life but I would die for this I would die for this I would I I only want to be by your side I know I only be by.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

Is die for this by Sid. Definitely looking forward to whatever she's coming with next, right?

[Joe Budden]

Go, Sid, go. That's right. Fight back against K1. Enough, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like I told y' all last week, I went back and listened to the the Tyler EP and I liked it. And so this is one of the tracks off it. It's called dynamite.

[Parks]

Don't look away no now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why don't you bring a.

[Guest Artist]

You can take it slow, baby control the pace way I rotate, baby that's a little taste. May I rotate? I'mma put you in your place, baby let sh. I don't want to stop, baby I don't need a break you know I don't want to wait we can go make my body celebrate I just want to back it up from me same name in k I know what I want from you you know what you want from me I just want to back it up on me same name in K I've been waiting h it all week so tell Me where you wanted me to be.

[Joe Budden]

You the people.

[Guest Artist]

I'm your kind tonight see me eye to eye we go back to back we go night to night Body dynamite take you to my we can finalize backstroke on it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Swimming in the k T do everything.

[Joe Budden]

To make my baby don't stop you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don'T even need my concept killing me baby I just want a little bit of your time make a song make.

[Joe Budden]

Day to night take a dog hold.

[Guest Artist]

My hand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on time you're my.

[Guest Artist]

I just want to back it up on me same name in k I know what I want from you you know what you want from me I just want to back it up on me same name in k I've been waiting on it all week so tell me where you wanted me to be.

[Joe Budden]

You can feel I'm your kind tonight.

[Guest Artist]

See me eye to eye we go back to back we go night to night.

[Ish]

As Tyler and whiskey Dynamite. Yeah, it's not bad.

[Joe Budden]

Record is hard. Yeah, it's not bad. Record is hard. The Tyler EP is hard. The marketing behind it, not so much much, but the project is hard.

[Ish]

Yeah, they dropped us off for sure.

[Parks]

And before. Before we get out of here, we want to salute friend of the show, Vince Staples. Season 2 of the Vince Staples show has a date November 6th on Netflix.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Parks]

We did get that date. And we got season two.

[Joe Budden]

Salute. Waiting for that. We waiting for that, Vince. Go. Netflix for doing the right thing with black, black content. For real. For real. Round of applause for that. I don't think I have anything else. Did you guys see the. The content creator couple that was eating. Doing a restaurant review and then the car crashed?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

And then the glass just showed her and all of their faces. Yeah. Oh, my lord. I wish that on no one. I wish that on absolutely no one. Homeboy didn't even have enough time to close his eyes. Like he was open.

[Parks]

Know how to react to that. Yeah, you don't even.

[Joe Budden]

You don't expect the car to run into you while you're at the restaurant. That's a case and shatter Gl case.

[Parks]

It's Lugers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Well, we figured that about you when you said that you would definitely take your wife to court for her retirement fund. My ex wife, we made some judgments. Ex wife. True. All fair. True, true, true, true, true. Is there anything else that's weighing on anybody's mind, body, heart, spirit, soul? Come on now. Come on now.

[Parks]

N. Just want to. I just want to tell y', all, hold it down, cuz. I'm out of here.

[Ish]

Oh, sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Enjoy your vacation.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Where you going?

[Parks]

Jamaica.

[Mel]

Enjoy.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Jamaica. Jamaica. Hey. Who you going with? Moms?

[Parks]

No, I'm going with my lady. With moms. Is you talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this always playing. What's wrong with you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To see an ex Shut the fuck up. To see his pops, right? He gonna take his mom to see his pops. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Stop.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all take everything as a joke. Ice is close to his mom like I'm close to mine. I'm not joke.

[Parks]

No, I'm gonna see him while I'm out there. That's not what I'm going out there for.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Parks]

Going out there for vacation. Me and my lady going out there.

[Joe Budden]

This said take your mom.

[Parks]

Moms play too much.

[Joe Budden]

What's wrong with that?

[Parks]

Nothing, except that she going to hear this. And now I want to go somewhere.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

That's all.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This record was a mega.

[Parks]

Mom is definitely going to be.

[Guest Rapper]

Hey, you know what?

[Mel]

Is the flight tonight?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mel]

Or today?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Guest Artist]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Leave it.

[Parks]

Thursday night.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Oh, so you're not here Friday and you going for how long?

[Parks]

I'll be back next Friday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn, Freeze, I'm going to miss you, man.

[Joe Budden]

You think we should cancel?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cancel?

[Parks]

No. That's the squad right there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And that's true, too, though. That's true. That's true. I think we should cancel. But also, that is. That is the squad.

[Parks]

That's the squad.

[Joe Budden]

That's. That's. That's a squad to get it done right there.

[Parks]

That's a squad right there, man. That's the squad. They gonna be happy.

[Joe Budden]

There'll be a lot of people. That's gonna be sad, Freeze.

[Parks]

Guess who won't be.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna be sad. Well, y' all are holding down, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hopefully a lot of vacation coming up.

[Joe Budden]

Hopefully, man.

[Mel]

Have fun.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Mark, I seen clips of all the black people in Martha's Vineyard. Hold up for a minute. They are lit out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I didn't know that. No. How would I know that?

[Parks]

You cultured. He ain't gonna know.

[Joe Budden]

I can free Palestine. You talking about. See, what are you talking about, nigga? You ain't got time to focus on black issues. You ain't got time to see what you started.

[Parks]

This is your fault. This is your fucking fault.

[Joe Budden]

Mark is educated enough to split his time between all important issues. Not me. Not me, anyway. Yo, I'm joking, by the way, before y' all Clip that up. I'm totally kidding, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's the shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I might have to go now.

[Mel]

You should.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You need to go. I'm not joking.

[Joe Budden]

I might have to go now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You had a time of your life life, cuz.

[Joe Budden]

Last time I went was 25 years ago.

[Mel]

Rent is now for next year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You rent a house? Yeah, definitely rent a house if they're available.

[Mel]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rent a house.

[Joe Budden]

Rent a house now for next year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For next year.

[Mel]

Next year this time.

[Joe Budden]

Next year.

[Mel]

This time you're saying Right, because people those there. It's hard.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. All of them black people first of all 3,000 black people in the same place successful black people like a blast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't experienced that 25 years ago.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you wouldn't have but like now like partly it's changed since the Obama started going to 08 and also your life is different. So like the shit you would be going to and doing, it's dope.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta. I gotta go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You'd have a ball.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta. You'd have a ball. What's the wrong ish. Shoot at me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Shoot at me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's no shit.

[Joe Budden]

You better not let them tonight's conversation niggas. You got other things to worry about. If I hear that one of them nigga speeched you under the rug. They just.

[Parks]

They just got.

[Joe Budden]

No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're fired.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you better go out there and.

[Parks]

Do what it do is conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Go out there and do what it do. He'll get fired and go work for the I'll you up he get fired and go have a new job.

[Parks]

All right. Can't help get something.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome. Anybody doing anything fun? Yeah, you see this? He said I know you didn't really.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get to hear me last time. You can hear me now. I am.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you think they they going to appreciate ham like us?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, ham is fire.

[Joe Budden]

You say ham over there. That could be a dud. Whoa, whoa. What school did he go to? Whoa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's uneducated.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wow.

[Parks]

We don't speak like that, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa, he's not from Oxford. What you wearing over there? Yeah, word. What you wearing you wearing Is that he dressed exactly n. You know he got the new.

[Parks]

That's that is on you know he going come on, you got some new.

[Joe Budden]

Look at him looking stupid in the face. He ain't going to answer why you answer us.

[Parks]

Oh, why don't talk to us when we ask that.

[Joe Budden]

That's why. That's why I don't with who you be? We don't want to know. Now there you go. Yeah, that's. That's why though, he don't want to act like a friend. You all that speech. There you go.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm. Listen, man, keep us in your prayers, Lord. Know we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you adieu. Farewell, adio to Ripa Dirchi. Hasta la vista, au revoir and Perry Menopause. Remember you got us. Yeah. What's up with you, man?

[Mel]

The baddies are insecure.

[Joe Budden]

Remember that? Life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure and stagnant. Women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Until the next time. Eo you in the hood. Y' all hold it down till next time. Same time, same place. Anybody got any fun plans this week? Fun plans this week? Anybody?

[Parks]

Anybody?

[Ish]

Hey, this week I'm going to pr, so I'm chilling.

[Parks]

Puerto Rico.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nice.

[Joe Budden]

That sounds fun. That sounds fun.

[Parks]

That ain't for the show.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't mad at Puerto Rico.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm going to see Bad for the show. Yeah, I'm going to see Bad Boy.

[Joe Budden]

I figured.

[Parks]

I knew you was gonna be out there.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody told me that that's where Shorty was on her way to the Bad Bunny concert and anyway, didn't mean to do that. Anybody else doing anything for the week? Anybody? Anybody? Anybody?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing fun. But if y', all, if you in New York, I'll be up in Harlem at the Apollo on Thursday night doing something with me too. We talking about sexual assault, violence against black boys. Make sure you check it out. It's an important panel. Me, Van Lathan and some other folk up there. Check it out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Amani is. It's a few of y' all flip y' all that should make it that like black issues. Some of y' all that lost y' all virtue, virginity. The other way, you know?

[Parks]

I mean, what's the other way?

[Joe Budden]

Go over there and talk about what? You talking about the nanny, when the nanny came in the room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be in Atlanta this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Took it from you. You talking about you be in Atlanta? Yes.

[Guest Artist]

What's happening?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Invest fest. Best fest.

[Mel]

Well, got it. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Going over here?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. All right. Freeze is gone. What about you? Big M, Big Savannah.

[Mel]

Hey, this week just working it's Tuesday.

[Joe Budden]

What does that mean? When you at work. What is that? What are you doing?

[Parks]

Just another brownstone. Talk to him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm bothered.

[Parks]

What's that? 12 doors now, right?

[Mel]

Almost. Not even close.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you got me hyped.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have too much going on this week. I'm chilling, man. I'm chilling. Gearing up, gearing up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Close.

[Joe Budden]

We're getting close. Till next time, man. Y' all hold it down. Hopefully you enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. And that's that, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got respect for your honey to keep it all real? You come second to my money? Then can you be my ghetto love prophecy? Everybody love you, girl, not just me? And I know that you really care a lot for me? Want to see you happy even if it's not with me.

[Joe Budden]

Lies. Very different from Carl Thomas's sentiment on I Wish, which was, well, he's lying. She chose to stay at home so they could be a family for the children. Yeah, yeah, but what about me? Carl Thomas? That is the most selfish, self centered line in the history of R B. What about you? She's staying with her kids and her baby daddy. What about me? What a jerk. We going, man. Till next time. Hey, wait a minute. Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hey, we'll fold that up right. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll fold that up right now.

[Parks]

Don't look away now.