Episode 855 | "You Let Andrew Tate Down"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 855 | "You Let Andrew Tate Down"

Date: August 27, 2025

OVERVIEW

In this episode, Joe Budden is joined by Queens Flip, Ish, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, El, and Parks for a lively, wide-ranging discussion, blending recaps of Invest Fest in Atlanta, reflections on viral news, social topics, and plenty of inside jokes. The crew dives into event stories, the nature of podcast beef, viral wrestling violence, the Jussie Smollett case, the Menendez brothers’ parole outcome, Snoop Dogg controversy, Lil Nas X’s troubles, relationship dynamics, OnlyFans talk, and music, all woven together in the show’s signature all-over-the-place, entertaining manner.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

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1. Invest Fest: Reflections and Highlights

Timestamps: 00:58–33:38

• Queens Flip discusses his eye-opening experience at Invest Fest outside of New York, realizing the scale and impact of the JBP audience.
  • "That was just all JBP conversation. It was ill. It was just... it was eye opening for me." (03:14, Flip)
• Ish receives props for his “celebrity” presence at Invest Fest; other panelists highlight his role giving advice and helping other content creators.
• Mandy (from See, The Thing Is) is detailed as being part of Ish’s and Simba’s event “crew”; debate ensues over who got what all-access passes and why.
• Mark Lamont Hill and Cheyenne Bryant's panel: Mark’s dynamic with Dr. Cheyenne Bryant is analyzed, playfully criticized for not bringing the “smoke” expected by the JBP crew.
  • "You let Andrew Tate down." (29:11, Ish)
• Magic Johnson’s keynote is celebrated—he “had niggas in there in tears”—and the event’s scale is applauded: "That's a black event from young black men… that shit was a success." (32:22, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill)
• Other notable moments: Invest Fest logistics snafus for Flip, Atlanta nightlife (Old San Juan rave-up), and more.

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2. Rampage Jackson’s Son Wrestling Incident

Timestamps: 39:01–52:12

• Discussion of the viral video where Rampage Jackson’s son (an MMA fighter) brutally attacks a pro wrestler during an event, knocking him unconscious and severely injuring him.
• The panel debates responsibility, the culture clash between pro wrestling and MMA, and boundaries of discipline versus violence:
  • "He was unconscious from the fall. This wasn't a fight." (52:02, El)
• The group agrees the response was out of line and touches on streamer culture amplifying impulsive reactions.
  • "That's gruesome. From whatever angle... It's horrible." (49:32, Joe)
• RVD’s controversial support of Rampage’s son is mocked:
  • "You can't almost kill someone..." (48:53, Joe)

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3. Jussie Smollett Documentary & The Nature of Reasonable Doubt

Timestamps: 55:12–64:39

• El receives a direct evidence file from Jussie, critiques whether the documentary casts reasonable doubt on the infamous attack case.
• Group divides between “he’s lying” and “there could be more to the story,” but mostly stays skeptical.
  • "Jussy, you are a lying sack of shit. I don't care what Netflix say." (62:05, Joe)
• Larger discussion on how true crime docs sway public opinion, referencing the Menendez brothers.

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4. Menendez Brothers Parole & Justice System

Timestamps: 64:32–74:27

• The panel debates compassion, trauma, class, and consistency in the legal system’s handling of parole:
  • "If we're going to lend empathy to that... then we gonna have to have the same level of sympathy for motherfuckers [in the ghetto]." (66:12, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill)
• Differing takes: should heinous crimes ever be eligible for parole?
• Connections drawn to famous cases (Selena’s murderer, trauma as mitigating factor).

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5. Snoop Dogg’s Lightyear Movie Comments & Social Media Backlash

Timestamps: 78:53–88:55

• Addressing outrage over Snoop describing discomfort explaining a same-sex couple in the kids’ film “Lightyear.”
  • "I don't think he said anything bad..." (82:06, Flip)
• Debate whether Snoop’s sharing was irresponsible, just honest parenting, or "not that serious."
  • "I think it's irresponsible for us to call that irresponsible." (88:45, Joe)

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6. Lil Nas X Jail Incident & Overcharging in Celebrity Law

Timestamps: 89:37–92:56

• Recap of Lil Nas X’s arrest (naked, inebriated, charged with multiple felonies).
  • "I hope he's all right. I hope that he gets the help that he needs." (92:04, Joe)
• Broader digression about how the media amplifies charges before facts are clear.

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7. Podcast ‘Beef,’ Unity & The Charlamagne Question

Timestamps: 93:05–103:15

• Flip’s “hugged up” photo with Charlamagne at Invest Fest prompts talk about perceived rivalry and the impulses driving “beef” narratives in hip hop podcast culture.
  • "If it ain't about unity... then that's all I want to do." (100:12, Joe)
• Joe explains detachment from beefs with peers, underscores focus on support and growth.

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8. Drake vs. Hip Hop Media & Rob Markman’s Restraint

Timestamps: 104:05–109:00

• Rob Markman’s dignified humor in response to Drake’s Instagram jabs is celebrated.
• Discussion of the changing music journalism landscape:
  • "Artists that want you to review their music... most don't. They want to go to their controlled places." (106:23, Joe)
• Bemoaning loss of in-depth or critical interviews as stars opt mostly for controlled YouTube/podcast appearances.

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9. Relationship Dynamics: Clothes, Honesty, and Growth

Timestamps: 139:27–151:59

• Extended, funny debate about whether men are justified in asking their partners to dress less revealing as relationships grow/marriage approaches.
  • "If we get... closer to marriage, strap it up, and let's keep it pushing." (143:51, Joe)
  • Flip: "Now that we're married, you should present yourself a certain way."
  • El/Mark: "No, that should be an issue of maturity, not marital status."
• Honesty about clothes, fashion ability, and communication in relationships is dissected, with panelists sharing their own approaches.

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10. OnlyFans Earnings — Secrecy in Relationships

Timestamps: 170:44–180:51

• The group tackles moral, emotional, and financial implications of a partner secretly making huge sums on OnlyFans.
  • "If you my girl, I want to know where we… You don't gotta give me the specifics… but…"
  • Notion of “escape funds” and gender dynamics of secrecy within couple finances.
  • "Her saving is not normally for us." (180:51, Joe)

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11. Music: Awards, Sleepers, and Hip-Hop Name Game

Timestamps: 196:03–214:07

• Music interludes throughout: Coco Jones, 2 Chainz, L.A. & GoldLink, Offset & JID featured as “sleepers.”
• Dr. Mark Lamont Hill challenged to name 30 contemporary rappers–he pulls it off (with much laughter and suspense).
  • "That's why this is a music podcast!" (195:56, El)

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12. Lighter Segments & Comedy

Timestamps: Sprinkled Throughout

• Marriage vow renewals, birthday party dress code debates, kids ignoring their parents, and the eternal struggle of men at formalwear stores provide recurring comic relief.
• The signature JBP dynamic of clowning each other (“minor beefs in-house,” rewinding each other’s statements, etc.).

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• Mark Lamont Hill (on being called surprisingly immature):
  "He's using us to rebrand for the immaturity. No, he's hiding. He's hiding. I know what he's doing." (11:18, Joe)
• On forgiving and moving past podcast beefs:
  "If it ain't about unity, bringing people together… that's all I want to do." (100:12, Joe)
• On the toxicity of streamer culture and real-time reactions:
  "It doesn't allow time for a train of thought. Like, we see how you feel at this moment… we shouldn't have known this part." (44:02, Joe)
• On Snoop Dogg’s ‘Lightyear’ comments:
  "He's saying, I came to the movie just to watch the movie, not to have to have this conversation right here." (83:06, Joe)
• Mark on being honest with your partner’s earnings:
  "130 a month, that's a lot of money. Yo, dog, I want to know." (174:08, Mark)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Invest Fest Recap: 00:58–33:38
• Rampage Jackson Wrestling Violence Discussion: 39:01–52:12
• Jussie Smollett Documentary Debate: 55:12–64:39
• Menendez Brothers/Justice System: 64:32–74:27
• Snoop Dogg Backlash/Social Issues: 78:53–88:55
• Lil Nas X Legal Troubles: 89:37–92:56
• Drake vs. Media/Rob Markman Beef: 104:05–109:00
• Relationship Wardrobe Debate: 139:27–151:59
• OnlyFans Relationship Dynamics: 170:44–180:51
• Music & Sleepers/Hip Hop Name Game: 196:03–214:07

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TONE & STYLE

• Language: Candid, irreverent, humorous, self-deprecating, sometimes pointed but always with camaraderie.
• Spirit: Largely playful, with honest personal admissions, sharp wit, and the usual mix of real talk and immaturity.

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CONCLUSION

This episode is a quintessential JBP marathon—funny, chaotic, and probing, as the hosts alternate between clowning each other, debating event stories, and tackling “culture war” moments. Whether you’re catching up on viral drama, the current climate of hip hop and podcasting, or just looking for a window into how men navigate relationships and status, this is “the most immature broadcast you could possibly, possibly find”—but with more insight under the surface than you might expect.

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Notable Final Word:
"The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel, and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol; you might need it." (218:45, Joe)

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Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. You get ready.

[Queens Flip]

I'm ready. I'm ready.

[Joe Budden]

Park's always ready.

[Ish]

I've been sitting here for a minute.

[Joe Budden]

What's up?

[Queens Flip]

I've been in my ignorance space for a long time.

[Joe Budden]

Boardless brother. No board, huh? That mean it's coming from. You know what I mean? It's. No. Now, if you need a Sharpie or a dog, if you scared, get a Sharpie. If you're scared, get the Sharpie. I got shit like, if y'. All. Like, y' all need it.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, we good.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, how many years we got on the gig, man? Come on, we need. We need that thing. Leave it blank. Make a statement, Make a stand.

[Queens Flip]

Well, they can't see that it's blank.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Oh, what you were saying now? What you got for me?

[Queens Flip]

No more. Chill out, yo. You know I'm on you today. I was saying that, you know, I've been in my ignorant bubble for a long time, man. You know, going out there to invest fest. You look at my finger. Going out there to invest fest, man. It was a lot of audience. The JBP is a big, big brand. I had to salute you. Called you yo. Hey, I doubted. Was a little humble pie ate, you.

[Joe Budden]

Know what I mean?

[Queens Flip]

It's a whole other world.

[Ish]

What did you think was going on up here?

[Queens Flip]

I didn't even find.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he makes sense.

[Queens Flip]

I'm very.

[El]

He makes sense.

[Ish]

You're surprised that there's a big JVP audience?

[Queens Flip]

Me, I'm always in New York all the time. Well, nothing about your fucking mom. No, I'm not. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm not always in New York. I'm in a controlled environment. So anything, any. Anywhere I go is with people that know who I am and are familiar with me.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Queens Flip]

I'm going into a whole different world. That was a whole different world for me, going in there talking about the podcast. I don't usually have conversations about the podcast outside or. I tried to avoid them. That was just all JBP conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of this stick. Like, enough. Enough.

[Queens Flip]

Look at the hate.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of this shtick.

[Queens Flip]

Why they can't humble himself and come and say, yo, y' all been here for years.

[Joe Budden]

This shit is one of the biggest things moving.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't know that.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't always say, I know. So what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, I'm telling you, he's right. I'm telling you, he's right.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Queens Flip]

It's you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You walking in it. You built it for 10 years. He been here for two years, so. And he's concentrated in the New York City area when he. Now.

[El]

I'm not trying to be. He about to set him off again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm being serious, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Stop saying you is. You are concentrated.

[El]

Have you left New York?

[Joe Budden]

In the New York City area, you leave New York.

[Queens Flip]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

How often do you don't get around?

[El]

All the time. Like when you come to work, like, you get across the bridge.

[Queens Flip]

No, I live out here, number one. Number two, anywhere I go, like I said.

[Joe Budden]

But you don't go many places.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You taking it as a slight. I'm not trying to be funny.

[Queens Flip]

Are you? Did you see?

[Joe Budden]

All right, you just be local and you watch my.

[Queens Flip]

You watch my YouTube. I check my YouTube. Just tell me how much you watched it. Stop saying that. I'm gonna go places. Everywhere I go is documented. And everywhere I go, they talk about Queen's Flip and what I do. This is the first time I walked into an environment with. And it was dope. 3,000 people the first night. It was a lot JBPR. It was ill. It was just. It was eye opening for me. That's it.

[El]

You seemed a little on edge. The first videos I watched, like, dude walked up to you just to say he liked the work, and he was like, don't come at me aggressive like that.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I don't like all that aggression.

[El]

He said, I like you.

[Ish]

I like you.

[Joe Budden]

I watched every piece of content that flip put on YouTube this weekend. I missed it and had the time of my life. I think that that was some of the best content to hit YouTube this week.

[Ish]

I can't wait to watch.

[Joe Budden]

I laughed and laughed and laughed and. And stayed up rewinding, taking notes, checking the timestamps of all the clips that I wanted to play on air. So if y' all have something that happened that I shouldn't play, tell me you can play.

[Queens Flip]

I. I'm fine. Whatever. I don't know if anybody.

[Ish]

If anybody else.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, don't try it. No, don't even try it, buddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't even try it.

[El]

I ain't got nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Parks. What's up, Parks Fresh Back from Puerto Rico.

[El]

What?

[Ish]

What a time, man. What a time. Absolutely amazing.

[Queens Flip]

I heard it was fire.

[Ish]

Absolutely amazing. I read somewhere that he's projected to bring $200 million to Puerto Rico. I don't see how that's possibly true.

[Queens Flip]

You think it's more.

[Ish]

I think it's probably closer to 5, 6, 7, 8. He sold out an 18,000 arena for 30 straight shows.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Ish]

And then outside.

[Joe Budden]

But how many pesos was he charging?

[Ish]

It was not cheap.

[Queens Flip]

What the.

[Ish]

Yo, did you say that's an American? It's an American.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pesos is Mexico, you idiot.

[Queens Flip]

Dollar amount of difference, 500 pesos. Oh, it's like $3.60.

[Ish]

That was incredible, though. Incredible show he did. Three hours straight, just him. I mean, he had guests a little bit, but for the most part, two. Just him. No backup tracks. Yeah, one guy playing acoustic guitar. He's just rocking solo on a mountain that they built inside of the arena.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He did, actually 30 nights in a row.

[Ish]

30 nights. Well, he's not done yet, but he will be by the time it's all said and done. Then he goes on world tour after that. That is impressive.

[Joe Budden]

You like him.

[Ish]

I think that. That is super impressive.

[El]

30 nights in one seat. So that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You like him? N. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You're into this guy. Yeah, that's your guy.

[Ish]

It was impressive. Absolutely amazing. Shout out to Puerto Rico.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All the vendor money, all of the.

[Ish]

Restaurants, all the streets were absolutely crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All that crazy, crazy. That's dope.

[Ish]

Ventured off into town, a couple different parts of town. Yeah. And that's where the fun was.

[Joe Budden]

Old per.

[Ish]

Old San Juan was super dope. It's like all old buildings. Street party.

[Queens Flip]

Very nice. That's.

[Ish]

It got young. I guess the drinking age down there is 18. So at some point, I was like, all right, let's go elsewhere. And there's a little area called Laita that's just, like, all outdoors, boy. It was. I don't know. I don't know how many thousands of people. It's just a big circle with all types of. You just drink, walk around. That's far as Puerto Rico owes me. Nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right up your alley.

[Joe Budden]

Drinking and walking around. Let's go right up your alley.

[Ish]

That was crawling. Absolutely amazing.

[El]

Yeah, man.

[Queens Flip]

We ready for you.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if y' all want to get the Sharpie, Come on. Let's get this Sharpie.

[Queens Flip]

We don't need a Sharpie. We ready for you. You do that same thing like you get a brain fart.

[Joe Budden]

And then look at this way.

[Queens Flip]

Don't look this way. Yeah, drop the. We ready. We ready for the road, baby. It's a lot to talk about.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sitting in the morning sun I'll be.

[El]

Sitting when the evening comes Watching the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ships roll in and then I'll watch them roll away.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir, Lillian.

[El]

Sitting on the dock of day.

[Joe Budden]

This was me in the crib this weekend watching the tire. Sitting there watching YouTube and shit by myself. Sitting on the block of the ice on parks. Npr.

[Ish]

What a time.

[Joe Budden]

Ishin Flippin Atlanta, doing it big. Mail off work. Fuck y' all niggas.

[Ish]

Shut the bell, shut the ice.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

All this mean you burn ass.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Ish]

I mean, they're different.

[Joe Budden]

And the moon. Listen, man, it's just a couple of songs that hit home.

[El]

Oh, we going to be on today.

[Joe Budden]

Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies.

[El]

Shout out to the parents listening out there.

[Queens Flip]

Stand by me.

[Joe Budden]

Stand by me.

[Ish]

You got today.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man. No, that's real talk right there. Shout out to the writers on this one. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Hey, everybody in the car right now. Everybody on vacation. Everybody getting the kids ready for school and all that. Everybody just getting back. Everybody getting ready to propose out there. Everybody getting back to work. Let's go, let's go.

[El]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Yummy. Audio numbers is up. Love and devotion is. Gotta let this rock for a little bit. I'd like to know. Hey, wait a minute. Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hey, don't rock the boat. Please don't tip the baby. Don't rock the. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm having too much fun. I'm having too much fun. Yo, if y' all not here to have fun, please leave. Yo, I want to be as immature as possible.

[Ish]

Well, you gotta be careful. We're a little light.

[Joe Budden]

What that mean? You know how we good sa to pull up. Get Ericson. Alex back in this moment. What's up? What's up? What's up? You are about to listen to the most immature broadcast that you could possibly. Possibly. Fine. In spite of what you think about Mark Lamont's addition to this broadcast, he.

[Ish]

Might be the most immature one up here.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he's using us. He's honestly using us to rebrand for the immaturity. No, he's hiding. He's hiding. I know what he's doing. I got him. I got him. He can't trick me no more with that. Let me keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe. Stop playing with us. We here we here. What episode is this?

[El]

855 and flip and flip.

[Joe Budden]

Flip, flip, flip is here too. That's my guy right here. Stop playing. Check out all that content that he dropped on YouTube. Especially day two. Look at day two first I'm gonna watch. That's the day.

[Ish]

Slow motion.

[Joe Budden]

That's the day Ish spoke. That's the day they let flip inside what they had going on down there.

[Ish]

Oh, the first one was outside crowd interaction.

[Joe Budden]

40 minutes outside. Just, you know, wait. Tickets didn't have his id. Somebody wasn't answering the phone. Thank God for Graph.

[Ish]

Oh, shout out to Graph.

[Joe Budden]

Then gra. The graph to Terence J Connection. It's like a baton.

[Ish]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Webs.

[Ish]

855.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm on.

[Ish]

Which is presented by.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on Total.

[Queens Flip]

I'm down with you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm on Total.

[Queens Flip]

Introduce the show so I could turn up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm being immature. Come on, don't start crying. Let's just have a good time. I saw too much funny shit to not shoot.

[Queens Flip]

I'm down.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this?

[Ish]

855.

[Joe Budden]

855 it is. 855. Welcome to episode 855 of the JOE Button podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Fix. Prize picks.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, really happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with gang. Gang is here. Some really amazing people. To my right, bigqueen Bang. Fresh from Atlanta.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Next to him, big Ish. Fresh from Atlanta.

[Ish]

Atlanta boys.

[Joe Budden]

The Atlanta boys. Next to him, our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. Fresh from somewhere. Somewhere, I'm sure.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Abolitionist movement, Some secret society. Secret Blackstone. Big Parks. Fresh back from prison. Paul is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Savon and Tanner here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. How's everybody doing?

[Queens Flip]

We're doing well, man.

[Ish]

Amazing, man.

[Joe Budden]

Well, well.

[Queens Flip]

Just got back from Atlanta. Invest fest, man. See my man Ish in action. One of the highlights. I'm pretty sure that we'll get to it later.

[Joe Budden]

No, the floor is you guys.

[Ish]

Just one of the highlights was issue.

[Joe Budden]

The floor is you guys.

[Queens Flip]

Well, Ish was like.

[Ish]

I think he would be the highlight.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, Ish was. Nah, it's a lot of other highlights there, but Ish was an important highlight.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

You know, watching him in action, watching you got there.

[El]

What you got there Friday I did.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, I did. Watches Ish accept his celebrity.

[Ish]

Did he accept it?

[Queens Flip]

Kinda.

[Ish]

Really?

[Queens Flip]

You know what I'M saying he tried to act a little shy and like that and then. But, you know, it was just great seeing him in his bag. He tried to act shot, but people love Ish. Disgusting. I came in. I came in there, look, I want to find Ish. Where is Ish? They showed me where he was at. He had people surrounding him.

[Ish]

Security.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[El]

He.

[Queens Flip]

Not only that, he had his own little crew. And on top of that, he helping people out, too. I ain't gonna get into that.

[El]

But he.

[Queens Flip]

He's a good man.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Queens Flip]

He's a good man. And then he went on stage.

[Ish]

Also. He was helping people before he dropped.

[Queens Flip]

He was helping people before he went on stage. I mean, he was just dead. A lot of content creators, you know what I mean?

[El]

And it's just like giving advice, just.

[Queens Flip]

Giving advice, telling him, like, yo, I got you. Don't worry about this, and shit like that. He was hanging out with his homegirl, Mandy. He was with her a lot. And, you know, she was. Was she, like a supportive role? Like, what? Was she for you? Because. Yeah, PR.

[Ish]

Management.

[Queens Flip]

Was she a pr. I wanted to get down to the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I can't say.

[Queens Flip]

She was on you like white on rice. I thought she had your bags.

[El]

I said, oh.

[Queens Flip]

I said, need to know what happened? Yeah, I saw that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Joe, you know what I saw? That's my shout out to her. No, very supportive. Simba was there. I mean, people surrounding Ish. They were supportive. They motivated him.

[Joe Budden]

But was that. That was the crew.

[Queens Flip]

That was the crew.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy, on day two of Flip's thing, that was the crew. It was Ish, Simba and Mandy.

[El]

Y', all, like, did the whole event together. Like, in terms of, like, just moving around.

[Ish]

Three amigos.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, not really. Well, the shit was 25,000 people. The shit, for the most part, is expensive to most people. So for you to get around and move around, you gotta kinda have a couple dollars or have Mandy attachments. So Mandy spoke last year, but she didn't speak this year.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So she hit me. You know, you need a band, so.

[Joe Budden]

She had no business there this year.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know what she did.

[El]

It was good seeing it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking a question. I have no idea. Don't shoot at me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't answer that.

[Joe Budden]

Did she speak this year?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Anywhere? Anywhere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you need to all access shit and all of that.

[Ish]

So you had Mandy?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, so I had an extra band.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy happened to be right there. Huh? I said Mandy happened to be there for the Extra band.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, she called me and was like, yo, nigga, I need to get in there. I need to freeload off of you.

[Joe Budden]

That's my nigga for sure. Okay. Wait. So much?

[El]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. So Mandy was outside sweating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She wasn't.

[El]

She flip.

[Queens Flip]

Once they flew.

[El]

You should have called.

[Ish]

Grab was nowhere to be found.

[Queens Flip]

She was outside with me.

[Joe Budden]

Mandy was outside calling everybody in her phone shout out to Mandy. One person answered. You left the stage, came to the front, gave her something, and then y' all was cool. All right. Thank God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I had all access passes. I had two extras. I gave Mandy one.

[Queens Flip]

Nice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you know, who was.

[Ish]

Who did you take it from? You were supposed to give it to someone you dubbed ab, I think right?

[Queens Flip]

Is ab.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Being that you.

[El]

You were talent. So they gave you a plus one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you get two.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You get two bands.

[Joe Budden]

So who got the other band?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody.

[Ish]

You could have gave it to me.

[Joe Budden]

Just had it just in case.

[El]

My own band.

[Queens Flip]

Watch out. Watch out. My bad.

[El]

So I said that you were outside.

[Joe Budden]

Look like he had a man he.

[Queens Flip]

Told about the night before.

[El]

His is the night before. Five points, right?

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no, no. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Did you go. Did you go to the Pyramid?

[El]

No, he was broadcasting from the swats.

[Joe Budden]

Day one, he was broadcasting from Copper Co.

[Queens Flip]

Day one was different. You know me. So day one, yeah, I went to the party. I went to the first VIP joint I got there. I realized they. When I read the documents that they sent me to the email, I didn't have my id. I dropped it at the Airbnb. So I was on camera saying, I don't have my id, so let me call somebody. Because I'm not going there on camera so they could turn me around. So they sent somebody to get me. And that's how that went. It was dope.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't go like that.

[Queens Flip]

It went exactly like that.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Joe, why don't you break it up? It didn't go like that at all, Troy. And now I'm done. Don't come up here lying.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I did.

[Joe Budden]

Don't go outside and be famous and popping and then come back here and I get a bunch of lies. Don't fact me to death neither.

[Ish]

Enough of this chick.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all niggas is weakened. Was funny. I don't give a fuck about these facts immature shit, okay? It didn't go like you saying, all right? It was way funnier than that.

[Queens Flip]

It was.

[Joe Budden]

You landed on the street in your pod outfit. Facts didn't walk up to the venue. You didn't look like you had cologne on or none of that at all. Well, at cologne, but you didn't look like it.

[Queens Flip]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't go close to the venue. You stood across the street.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like, parking lot pimping days was back.

[Ish]

Yep. That's dope.

[Joe Budden]

And the content creators from Atlanta surrounded you. Yo, you good.

[Queens Flip]

Is that what happened?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, what's up, Flip?

[El]

Big fan.

[Ish]

Wait, which version of yo, you good?

[Joe Budden]

You was. I mean, however Flip wanted to take it. He looked a little nervous to me. Okay, he looked a little nervous to me. I'm not saying petrified. But he stood his ground. But them niggas was like, yo, you good. You just standing. You standing. He like, yo, I just came straight from the airport, straight here to support, but I don't have my id. So he on the phone dying for somebody. He's waiting for somebody, but they dubbing it. So then Graff walks up.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, my man Graff.

[Joe Budden]

Thank the Lord for Graff.

[Ish]

Yeah, shout out to Graff, who is.

[Joe Budden]

Supposed to come here soon.

[Ish]

Yeah, he should.

[Joe Budden]

Graff says, yo, man, you stand outside like a bum ass nigga. Come with me. Flip stood his ground. Nigga, don't act like I can't get in. Stop ever play with me like that. At that very moment, Flip phone. Yo, you hear? So now him and Graff walk in together. He hits graffiti. Yo, you supposed to come to the pod still? Nigga don't know. Don't pod nothing from outside across the street. Just go in, handle your handle. They bring him in. They pass them off to Terrence J. Terrence J tries to get him right. Yo, you want. Yo, you want some steak? Some champagne or something? He's like, nah, I wanna walk around. And then Flip walked around, and I had the time of my life. He's popping. Everybody loved him. They fucked with him out there. My front of the story is funny. But once he got in there, y' all two. Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, what do I gotta do with that?

[Joe Budden]

Cause you're funny, too.

[Ish]

I wasn't there the little Instagram I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was at day one, but I landed after Flip.

[Joe Budden]

When I saw you, you was funny. Okay, if you say so. No, so don't try and not be funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say a word.

[Queens Flip]

But go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

I'm listening.

[Queens Flip]

We like when you tell a story. See, you wanna.

[Joe Budden]

We can't like your vision on Patreon. I'm play the clips. I got all my clips. I'm not gonna be. We got a lot of topics to get to. I'm not gonna beat nobody down right now.

[Queens Flip]

Your vision and our vision are two different things. Your version and our version is two different versions, but your version is more exciting.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have a headache?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

A migraine? No. So you shook your head like this all them times. So you did like this all of them times and didn't feel any after effects from it? From agreeing so much with the good doctor, Dr. Cheyenne Wright.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Budden]

Bobblehead up there, boy.

[El]

Yo, I owe Joe $5.

[Joe Budden]

He thought he needed. Yeah, I thought your neck was not because your head. Yo, I thought he was right. Bet.

[El]

I bet you we bet $5. I said he. You going to go up there, you know, hold us down, you know, drill down on your positions and lead her to a different understanding.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

She straightened you out, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She didn't do anything. Come narrative Nancy.

[El]

She didn't.

[Joe Budden]

You knew it was coming. You knew. You work with him. You know you work with him. I know why you was agreeing so much.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cuz I agree with the stuff that I agree with.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't agree with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't agree with you. She brought smoke right to your little light skinned beige door. Installed. Didn't think anything. He had a great point. First of all, why? Why they said you from New York?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know why.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And why you ain't correct them?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We have very.

[El]

I don't blame you for that. Who wouldn't do that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm gonna do, I'm get up there and be like, yo, my, I ain't from New York or from New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead. Yeah.

[El]

Did you.

[Queens Flip]

Did you hear the cheers that they changed for?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't even say nothing to him.

[Joe Budden]

Be like, anyway. Yes.

[El]

I like the intro music too, by the way. It was dope.

[Ish]

Wait, what song was it? Naughty by Nature.

[El]

Tevin Campbell. I'm ready.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we talk? And that wasn't my intro music.

[El]

That was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was the show's intro music.

[El]

They like coming to the stage special gu. I was like, why did he give my that music?

[Joe Budden]

Dr. Brian, wait, no, chill. I ain't done with this. We can share.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

You get up there, the first thing you do is tell a lie. Which was, this is my man. So I'll be thinking. I know he said, listen, man, as an entrepreneur, I understand yada yada yada.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, yada yada yada.

[Joe Budden]

But that's not the important Part in this part, I'm gonna get to what the yada, yada, yada was. The important part in the lie was a lot. I know a lot about being an entrepreneur. A long time ago, I owned a construction company.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say that, but go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

That's exactly what you said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You did say that. Owning a construction company.

[Queens Flip]

No, that's.

[El]

I think that's what you meant.

[Joe Budden]

I promise.

[El]

I heard that. I heard.

[Joe Budden]

I heard it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me Let you.

[Joe Budden]

Pie.

[Queens Flip]

Go ahead.

[El]

Yo, we should do a rewind right now.

[Joe Budden]

That we should do a re.

[El]

Let's do rew.

[Joe Budden]

That we got to do a rew.

[El]

I heard the same.

[Joe Budden]

Rewind, rewind, rewind, rewind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I owned a construction company a long, long time ago. In construction. I could be.

[Ish]

I mean, I love the awkward style. We're playing some magic games, though, so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let'S go for you.

[El]

I don't think he was lying. I think he just misspoke.

[Queens Flip]

But, yeah, he was in the moment, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of pressure for 20 years.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, dog. There's logical reasons for all of this stuff. I'm being silly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So my point was still whatever. But the point.

[Joe Budden]

I thought she was trying to get busy with you was when you was like when you said society has conditioned men to lead with. Not lead with, but protection. And, yeah, whatever she had to say next. I thought she was looking for smoke with my guy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She wasn't. She and I were having a separate conversation up there by ourselves, bugging the fuck out. What happened was she's cool. She's cool as shit. What happened was we were supposed to have an hour and 10. We were supposed to have an hour and 10. But the programs prior to us getting on, Ray Daniels and Jay White went up there, and Ray got to talking.

[Ish]

That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that nigga got talking, you know what I'm saying? So Ray kind of bled into our time, and then they had a couple other things that they had already had scheduled that bled into our time. So our time got kind of cut from 1:10 to 30 something minutes.

[Ish]

Oh, damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. And then Issa Rae was coming on after us. So we can't bleed into Issa Rae's time, you know what I'm saying? And so y' all could have.

[El]

Yeah, somebody could have, anyway.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, not us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody could have.

[El]

Not us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So that's what happened. So me and her up there bugging. I'm like, oh, I want to crack your head. She like, go ahead, go ahead. I'm like, we don't got no time. She's like, yeah, you right. I'm like, yo, we could really go viral right now. This is what I'm telling her. I'm sitting there bugging out, laughing and talking through the virus. We could really go crazy right now.

[El]

She like, let's go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm like, nah, we don't have no time. She like, damn. So that's really what happened. Because some of the stuff that she said, I definitely agree with some of the shit that is common sense. And then some of the other stuff that she said, I was like. And then even not just that, I'm looking at Trill. I'm looking at everybody and me and Trill having a borderline debate behind her back. Like, nigga, you crazy? Like, is you wrong? So we doing all of that. So it was dope. It was fly. All of them are dope.

[Joe Budden]

So y', all, like, had a debate where nobody could hear it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, kinda. Because we didn't have time to flush it all out.

[Joe Budden]

Mm. I'm not doing this with you.

[El]

What the fuck?

[Joe Budden]

You do what you're doing that's gonna make me look away, but I'm not doing this with you.

[El]

I don't know. I'm just listening. I thought it was good. I will say it did. Go to wait on Friday in the Patreon. I said, it's gonna be spirited, et cetera. He said, no, it's just gonna come back here on Monday or Wednesday and say it was really cool. You know, she's a really dope woman. Like, everything you just said, he said word for word what you were gonna say, which shouldn't be surprising. I expected it to be a spicier exchange.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's not what we do. It's not our show. It's tonight's conversations. It's not what their show is based around.

[Joe Budden]

So change it. Why?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not my show.

[Joe Budden]

Let them know who you be.

[Ish]

No, it's Ish's conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not the Ish Button podcast.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I conform to who is cutting the checks. So that's what I did. I got up there to have a conversation, and it wasn't again. We really didn't have time to even weed out all the topics.

[El]

With that professional chemistry that y' all had, I think the. You grow up, man.

[Joe Budden]

Them was. I thought they was about to break out in tune. It was cool.

[Queens Flip]

I thought the same.

[El]

Y' all should think about, like, a. A project together, whether it's like a tour Speaking tour, a limited run podcast, something where y' all could talk and actually flesh that out, since y' all actually get along but have disagreements.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, she was dope.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, she was cool as.

[El]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

You know what, though? Hold on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This dodo, soon as I get on stage, like, it's this big ass plant. I gotta step around the plant. So when I finally sit down, he walks across it. I'm up there. He's literally like this, pointing. And then him and JR Went and caught the squat right in the middle of the aisle and was like. I'm like, yo, this is insane.

[Queens Flip]

But here's the thing. Because of the buildup, the buildup leading to it, we thought even on here, we hyped it as, yo, when you go, when you see Dr. Brian, you gonna turn it up.

[Joe Budden]

I thought you was gonna turn it.

[Queens Flip]

So when I walked and did that, I'm like, yeah, ish. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Ish.

[Queens Flip]

But then she got the mic.

[Joe Budden]

I thought Red Pill Nation was about to eat down. I thought the man is fear down. Okay. I swear, you was cool with her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So where's neutralization? Coming up.

[Queens Flip]

I'm just using words. I'm just saying. Whatever. Whatever it was, though, it wasn't what we set up here.

[Ish]

You like Andrew Tate down.

[Queens Flip]

What? What you say? She's a nice lady.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you let Kevin Samuels down. He let everybody. Damn. Is you supposed to eat her food, man? Dr. Brian, you lucky. All right? You lucky next time.

[Queens Flip]

When you come up here, right?

[El]

Yeah, yeah, we should bring her up here. That'd be dope.

[Ish]

That would be dope.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She'd be dope.

[El]

Can you make that happen?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How would I do that?

[El]

You know better than I do at this point. You got connects.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, we all have the same resources.

[El]

Okay, then I'll do it.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[El]

I'll reach out.

[Ish]

So what were the other highlights in the show, man? Who else went crazy up there?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, a lot of you kept talking, though. Mandy would have glocked up. Yo, Mandy got to stop acting like, you know what she act like. I can't say it. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? She gotta stop, you know, the slightest idea what you're talking about or bleep it.

[Ish]

Yeah, I got you.

[Joe Budden]

She be acting like that. Like, move, get out there. Yeah, that's what you think.

[Queens Flip]

She like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She act like, yo, y' all sound stupid.

[Queens Flip]

No, for real.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Queens Flip]

Go watch that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could really go. Y' all better shut up. Everybody in here better shut up. Cause I'm gonna start saying, who y' all little be and they look like.

[Joe Budden]

My girl know all mine My girl been my fault.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Aight, shut up.

[El]

Then you can say that I'm fine.

[Queens Flip]

Mine ain't true. Mine ain't true neither and I'm so.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, sat him down. Look, uh.

[El]

Oh, look at that.

[Queens Flip]

Who that? No, I sat down. Shut the mic down.

[El]

Let's move back to the park to get us home.

[Joe Budden]

You think you try to back me down? Let him down.

[Queens Flip]

It's Brian. Watch your mouth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't try to do that at all.

[El]

Don't try to back me down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said y' all. Why? I said everybody in here.

[Queens Flip]

What I'm saying to you is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it was for you. It was for you.

[Queens Flip]

So what I need to say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You taking the gas. It's all right, bro. Anyways, anywho, anyways, Invest Fest was amazing. Shout out to Rashad and Troy for show, and all of them. They put on a wonderful event. It was 25,000 people.

[Ish]

That's amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking about a sea of people. You couldn't see the back of the crowd. Magic Johnson was the keynote that I probably enjoyed the most.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Magic had niggas in there in tears, you know what I'm saying? N said a prayer at the end. Like, yo, he went crazy.

[Queens Flip]

You was there when Magic was there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To be that charming, to be that.

[Ish]

Oh, you like him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, dawg. When you watch people command the stage, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you watch Joe podcast and how he just. When the camera come on, you become a different person. To see that level of crowd commandeering, like, he just had them niggas in there eating out the palm of his hands. That shit was fly. And again, this is a black event from young black men that put all this shit together on their own, and that shit was a success. That shit was fire.

[Ish]

That's amazing.

[Joe Budden]

What did you guys wear the next day that. The day that I didn't see the outfits?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I wore a sweatsuit every day.

[Joe Budden]

How about you?

[Queens Flip]

I wore the sweats and a shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

What were you supposed to wear? Cause you was cracking your told me on the Internet, yo, he wore sweats.

[Joe Budden]

So what. What.

[Queens Flip]

What was I supposed to wear? Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that Troy and Rashad and Terrence and Stevie J and all parties involved had a good time out there in Atlanta. Everybody went. Hopefully you had a great time out there. Hopefully y' all had as much fun as I had.

[Queens Flip]

No, it was dope. It was dope. Ian Dunlap turned up, too, I heard. Yeah, he with the crowd, man, he's real good. You know, how he sit on the podcast is completely different than how he is on that stage. I thought I was impressed by that.

[El]

That turned into a fucking diss.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

He was great.

[El]

Not like he's on the podcast now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You might not know. Somebody possesses that just by the way on the head. He's more like back and forth across that stage, screaming, going, oh, yeah, he.

[Queens Flip]

Got standing up for him and all that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he done. I know he get busy.

[Joe Budden]

Almost like somebody who does it professionally. Yeah.

[El]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But if you never seen him in a professional element, like, I haven't. That's why, again, I'm attributing it to Joe so somebody could see Joe outside and not know that.

[El]

Or as a rapper.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you should go to, like, real black people events, not just the Apollo cult.

[El]

The Apollo's Not a Real black Person event.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, not just those. You should go to Invest Fest Pop Up. That's your Ken Folk, too.

[El]

I would love to go to, you know, next year. Y', all.

[Joe Budden]

You're related to black people, too. Not just.

[El]

I'm related to whoever they want.

[Queens Flip]

That's your investment.

[El]

Benjamin, right?

[Queens Flip]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Benjamin is Palestine.

[El]

Exactly. I connected to whoever the fuck they. They want. Just call me for the ch.

[Joe Budden]

Go to black events. Call me for a check.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, they got you.

[El]

They call me book flip, too, but don't know you. All of us.

[Joe Budden]

No, you. You be at all the gods around. Go to black.

[El]

I'd be black all the time.

[Queens Flip]

Look at me.

[El]

More narrative.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all too tense for me, man.

[Queens Flip]

No, we not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Lose it up.

[Joe Budden]

Let's have some fun, bro.

[Queens Flip]

It was just fun.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was dope, flip.

[Joe Budden]

When people come up to you and. And. And you doing your content creation.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And they're telling you the cause that they're raising money for. They want you to donate. I couldn't wait to get in front of you so I could tell you.

[Queens Flip]

That I bought the lady hat.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, I bought the hat.

[Queens Flip]

I know you talking about the life. The life. I bought that.

[Joe Budden]

All right, that's it now. Now that's it. Now I gotta pull it. Phone out. Now I got to put my phone out. I'm sorry. Yo, Mark, find us some educated to move on from at some point. But I'm in my phone now. Now I got at least play that one.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

IPhone memories pop up. Start showing you your baby. All types of move. This thing is crazy. Get iPhone memories out of here. Okay. No.

[Queens Flip]

I know you going to find Out. I know exactly what you talking about. The lady talking about. About the mental health part.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, all of this is funny. I should be able to just sit here and play this whole phone.

[Queens Flip]

You still got mad screens, screen recorders. Listen, hey, if you want somebody to donate, ask for a donation. Okay? So this future the brand. So the merch. You sell the merch. That's how you fund the program?

[El]

Yeah.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

We burn off donations or.

[Queens Flip]

And if people want to donate, how do they donate to you?

[Joe Budden]

That's like, get out. Go to our website.org or, you know, we. Where we live at event. She's so confused. She like you donate. Got you.

[Queens Flip]

What's your name again?

[Joe Budden]

That's how you get out of it.

[El]

I'll be back over here. They putting it together.

[Queens Flip]

Something for me.

[El]

Smart.

[Joe Budden]

I heard all of the lies that Flip tells when he's outside. Yo, Flip is such a liar. Outside to people to their face. But I don't want to hold this broadcast hostage. Well, how funny. This is hour three. If we're still recording, I'm back on their ass.

[Queens Flip]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

What needs our attention the most?

[El]

Can I. Can I give an apology?

[Ish]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Finally. Amani. Is Amani here? Nah, he's not here. Oh, that guy.

[El]

No, I'm joking. Tiara. Tierra Marie. I told a story about her the other day, and I should have told the story without mentioning her name in my brain. We were gonna beep it, and I should have made that happen. Cause the story would have been just as funny. Maybe not quite as funny without mentioning it, but I didn't. And she's in a different space in her life and she's healthy and she seems good.

[Joe Budden]

Cleaned him up.

[El]

She cleaned me up at all. It's about being a mature adult.

[Joe Budden]

Backy back de. Now that DM was not friendly. Not at all.

[Ish]

Heard the podcast.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, she.

[El]

She was actually.

[Joe Budden]

But why did you do that?

[El]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

The way that you advocate for women. Why would you do that to her?

[El]

M. Poor judgment. Poor judgment, bad influences.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm talking to you right now.

[El]

You're in a culture of. Of. What's the word?

[Joe Budden]

Toxicity. I have no idea.

[Queens Flip]

I. I didn't know what you said. I'm really surprised.

[El]

I didn't.

[Queens Flip]

I.

[El]

First of all, everything. The story was accurate and true. It's just. I didn't have to say her name.

[Joe Budden]

Can't spell culture without.

[El]

You know. You should tell us that in the cult. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God. You down with culture. Hey, bleep that. Because I ain't watch the doc.

[El]

So hold on. But yes. Anyway, Terry, I apologize. I'm sorry. You. You didn't deserve that. And sincerely, I apologize.

[Joe Budden]

Did you Armani could have got one on the back of that. Could apologize to money, too.

[El]

Yeah. For what?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[El]

I was assaulted. Putting it in my case file.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Look how much nicer the little chair looks now.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, look at that.

[Joe Budden]

Good old Stanley steamers.

[Ish]

Oh, that's less blue. A little. It's a little less.

[Joe Budden]

A little less blue.

[Ish]

Yeah, a little sky. Little sky blue.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how much content you guys have been able to see. I want to go with Rampage Jackson song.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, yes, yes. I've seen it.

[El]

Yeah, it was.

[Queens Flip]

I saw it.

[El]

Crazy. It was absolutely crazy. So for context. Oh, oh, for context. Because there's two videos, and initially we all got hit with the video of Rampage Jackson's son rushing into the ring for what some of us thought was what we call a work. Right. Where you think it's just, you know, part of kayfabe, part of the actual. Where he runs in, he slams him. And dude clearly wasn't bracing himself already for it. He didn't break fall, nothing like that. He just hit the ground, hit his head. This other wrestler, then he starts pummeling him with actual punches. And he was clearly beating him unconscious. And he did beat him unconscious. Other wrestlers came in to hold him back, et cetera. And some people were like, is this real? Is this fake? The wrestlers at some point realized it wasn't, and they pulled him out, and he was still trying to fight the wrestlers. So all that happened, and people are like, what happened? A little bit later, another video comes out where they show an interaction they had prior to that moment. Prior to that moment, they were outside. The same guy. What's his name?

[Queens Flip]

Stuy?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[El]

I'll tell his name. His name in a second. It's alliterative with S's. He had smashed a can on his head.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[El]

And dude reacted. Now, dude was drunk, and he was acting like a wrestler. He was basically saying, like, this is what we do, wrestling.

[Joe Budden]

We're always on.

[El]

We're always in character. Dudes apparently don't play like that. And he wanted to fight then, but by the end of that exchange, they shook hands and said, I understand now. I get what you was on. And it seemed like everything was calm, which again, made it very strange that soon after, he would rush in the ring and attack dude like that. The latest reports that I have heard, and this is Coming from other wrestlers said that dude lost multiple teeth.

[Ish]

Damn.

[El]

He was actually choking on his own blood and teeth in the ring.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Psycho Stu.

[El]

Psycho stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Psycho Stu.

[El]

Yeah. And so, yeah, so it was a brutal event. Rampage had to actually say something about it. They initially showed him watching the video, but he didn't have all the context. Again, a lot of people thought it was fake or they didn't know why it was happening. But there's no excuse for that.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, they said that he was concussed. Rajah Jackson. They said that when he got hit in the head with a can, maybe he was concussed and. But there's no excuse for that.

[El]

He got hit with a soda can.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[El]

Eh, eh.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not rolling with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which part?

[Joe Budden]

He got hit with a soda can, but he got hit with a soda can at a wrestling event. So wrestlers have a skill to be able to make it look like this is a lot more painful than it really is. So I'm not going with that. And when he got hit with the can, he didn't stumble, he didn't fall back. He moved forward with the same aggression and serious nature. He didn't look concussed. He looked like a nigga that don't play like that.

[El]

Right. That's what he looked like.

[Queens Flip]

I'm just saying. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying what the.

[Joe Budden]

Well, listen. And. And he apparently was on stream.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And told the stream prior to that. I'm about to do this and like to hear it here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm dead serious.

[Joe Budden]

This is not going to be scripted.

[Queens Flip]

I' ma really have to show him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, you can't just hit a can.

[Joe Budden]

On my goddamn face. I'm really going to hit him.

[Queens Flip]

I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm dead serious. This is not gonna be scripted. I'm telling you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Queens Flip]

I'll wrestle in the script.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking about what I'm gonna do to the guy.

[Joe Budden]

So that's him admitting to it prior to on the stream. This is. This is Rampage talking about it when he finds out, which is interesting to say the least. This is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is what happened, Chad.

[Joe Budden]

And he's on stream event with his coach.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Those pro wrestlers, they be just as crazy as MMA guys.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The pro wrestling guy don't know my son. And he hit him over the head with like a can or beer can or a bottle or something. And my son didn't know it, didn't know it was coming. Didn't know they didn't tell my son. He Hit my, my son over the head. I guess he thought my son was a pro wrestler or something.

[Joe Budden]

And Roger didn't react.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But Roger didn't fight though. He didn't, he didn't do anything because I told Roger not to get punched, but still hit him, Hit my son over here. And then he asked my son, you ain't gonna sell it. When you in pro wrestling, when you sell, it's like, cuz that's fake mma, we do real. And he said, you ain't gonna sell it. So when you don't sell it, make the other pro wrestler look, look, bad news drove by.

[Joe Budden]

He don't know nothing about this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So this motherfucker that hit my son is stupid. So in order for me not to.

[Joe Budden]

Go to jail.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I gotta talk to his coach.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Roger wasn't aware. Roger didn't know what was going on. He just thought he was going and talking to those dudes.

[Joe Budden]

There's more to that clip. That clip, he sounds like he's in defense of his son. There were some other clips of Rampage where he didn't sound.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said he don't care. Condone with a son.

[El]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

He put out a release.

[Joe Budden]

That's my other problem statement. That's one of my problems with streamer culture is everything is right there. Like, so now we know you're. It doesn't allow time for a train of thought. Like we see how you feel at this moment. And a lot of people are not disciplined enough to keep it to themselves. Like, we shouldn't have known this part.

[El]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

How hard he went to defend something that is clearly inexcusable. There's reports going around that say that this man may be pressing charges, that says that the cops are running an investigation, says that the dude is thinking about suing. All types of reports.

[El]

I would not. But I understand why he would. And he's not wrong.

[Ish]

If I was choking on my own blood and teeth, I would sue.

[El]

Oh, the sue part. Yes. I was more talking about pressing charges, but I'd be thinking like, you fucked up my life again, Sue. Do whatever you want. Right. Again, in the context of what we talking about, it makes sense to me. I'd be thinking about revenge, probably more. I'd probably be more irrational about it.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask you a question. Is Rampage's son a professional wrestler?

[Joe Budden]

He's an MMA fighter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's an MMA fighter, but he's not a professional wrestler.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So he don't understand the context that comes along with professional wrestling. So it's almost like, if you smack somebody and you like, yo, sell it. And they like, sell what? You smack me, motherfucker, I'm about to break your neck if I can. Right? I kind of think that you can't play with everybody like that.

[El]

I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, beating him to that degree. I'm not defending nor condoning. What I'm saying is, if you smack somebody in the face with a can. We don't know if the can was full. We don't.

[El]

It was full. You can see it spray. You can see it spray. It was liquid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't easy, my nigga. To bust a can on somebody's head. You gotta hit a mark.

[Joe Budden]

It sounds like you're playing both sides.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm not. I'm seeing. I'm playing objective. I don't have to pick a stance on both sides. I see how one nigga could get offended by somebody assaulting them and take it out in a manner that we might not.

[Queens Flip]

I would say to that. I would say react. And I would say react in that moment.

[El]

Right. That's what I'm saying. But they explained at the end of that exchange, after you know what the can. He literally said, I understand now. He said he was cool. They shook his hands.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[El]

He said, I didn't know that. That's not. He said, now that I understand what y' all do.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part that we're calling egregious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So now for you to get on your stream after y' all explain, sat down and had that understanding to say, yo, I'm him up after this.

[El]

And then run in the ring.

[Joe Budden]

He's running in the ring while someone is working.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're not in New York no more.

[El]

We're doing it for props. Right. And also, if you want to him up him up face to face.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, fuck him up right when he hit you with the key.

[El]

Well, that's number one. But I'm saying, even if you're going to run back in the ring later, be like, what's up? Like, you don't sneak and dude didn't sneak it with the can, dog.

[Joe Budden]

I went down a rabbit hole of Rampage Jackson son. He don't look like the son to pick on. He is not like, here's the story of Rampage on Joe Rogan. I think this is Joe Rogan talking about his son punching him in the face. Just so we clear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Punching him.

[Joe Budden]

So I guilty. This is good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We already got in the fight once.

[Ish]

Oh, really?

[Joe Budden]

Two years ago. Yeah, he sucker punched me.

[Ish]

Oh, I saw the slap.

[Queens Flip]

How that got.

[Joe Budden]

Was that. And what'd you do?

[Queens Flip]

Did you slap him on his head?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That mother went to the hospital that day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't play this.

[Ish]

We fighting three on one, though.

[Queens Flip]

Two big came out the room too.

[El]

Leave our man alone.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I felt. I felt bad about kicking his ass that day. And to this day, he's the only person I ever guillotine.

[Joe Budden]

I'm only playing it to show the mindset of somebody that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't want to keep punching him.

[Joe Budden]

So I guillotine and he wouldn't tap out.

[Ish]

Are you putting asleep?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Wow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because when he sucker punched me, he almost rocked me. And it was right by like a. I got like this 100 year old door that turned to like a table.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like £200.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I would have hit my head, I would have died. Yeah, he's not gonna want me.

[Joe Budden]

See, this is some fighter culture type. All I'm saying is this is not the father son combo that I want to have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you being Walmart and like, what? Go get your father.

[Queens Flip]

A lot of real quick. People are mad at the wrestler RVD because he said he stands with Raja. And a lot of people are mad.

[El]

At RV People are idiots.

[Queens Flip]

You know, he said that he stands with him after seeing what he saw, that he is taking his side.

[El]

That's fucking ridiculous.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think if he had whipped his ass when he smacked him with the can, I would be probably on the side too, knowing now what I know that you premeditated it, you didn't act in the moment. All that other shit, it's different. But stop playing with people, bro. Everybody not mentally well again.

[El]

And I'm not defending Psycho Stu either, but Psycho Stu was clearly drunk and he thought dude was a wrestler. And that is how wrestlers fuck with each other. That's what I'm saying. And you were in a camp of wrestlers. But my thing is, even as an MMA fan, wherever you at, you can't.

[Joe Budden]

Almost, almost kill someone.

[El]

Right? Right. But especially if you know MMA culture. That's my point. In MMA culture, when you tap, that's it. You can't beat somebody unconscious and then mount them and beat the shit out of them for another 35 punches. Even in MMA, there's no place where.

[Joe Budden]

There's no way where you could do that and just anything be cool. He's allowed to be a cat nigga. I don't give a fuck what he did. You can't do that nowhere. I think Kick Kick, the streaming service, they banned him no pun. Yeah. I was about to say, I think kick kicked them. Yeah, they banned. They banned him and we'll see what's to come of this. But looking at that, I was looking at that as a dad, like, that's. That's gruesome. That's gruesome. From whatever angle the dad is watching, whether you're the father of the son that's doing the beating or the father of the son of the guy that the father, that the son is taking a beat. It's horrible. It's horrible all around the board.

[Queens Flip]

Well, there's a lot of people coming for us, you know, to help Psycho stew, which is.

[Joe Budden]

Is good.

[Queens Flip]

Mr. Beast and a lot of people, you know, offered to cover his medical care. You know What I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Mr. Beast, like Batman.

[Queens Flip]

I'm just happy, you know.

[El]

I don't.

[Queens Flip]

Know, Mark, if you saw this, I don't think that they made it a black and white thing. It's just a human thing, black and.

[El]

White thing at all. I think the problem, I just think wrestling culture, MMA culture, more so than boxing culture.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

Feeds some of these attitudes and some of this energy. And there's a lot of people who are just like off, like, just unchained in their violence. And I think it's unhealthy. And that's why, if I think about as a parent, because you talk about father things, I think as a parent, even if you want to introduce your child to self defense, you want to teach child how to fight, you also have to teach discipline and restraint. Yeah. You can't just go around beating the. At everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I agree. Like, the MMA fighters, I know, they should have more tolerance than the average person.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of them. A lot of them do.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, a lot of people that really are deep in a martial arts bag, they really be like, yo, dog, leave me alone. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, until you really put your hand on me and I think you're trying to hurt me, right? Then I'm gonna just let go.

[El]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But most of them really, they walk away from talking more than the average person.

[El]

And then they. Even when Rampages now was talking about his son, when his son punched him, he, he. You don't want to choke your son out. But my point is there's a way that that's still a form of restraint. Guillotine is still a form of restraint. As opposed to, I just pummeled him, you know, for 20 minutes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, just beat them up, you Restrain somebody. If you can defend yourself well enough to stop somebody, then you hold them for the police or you hold them to. You hold them to subdue them and you get the fuck out of there.

[Joe Budden]

You don't hold them. I hear you as a black man in this country, if you running around looking like it's going to take nine and 10 people to restrain you. Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

You know where that come. You know what comes next.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not, I'm not saying it, but yeah. That looked nuts.

[El]

It looked nuts.

[Joe Budden]

That looked that, that looked nuts.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad dude is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I though he was just on him unconscious, just beating.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

Because he slammed and again like you can eat the wrestling rings. If y' all been in wrestling. Wrestling rings are like. You could drop an egg on it. Yeah. But if you aren't bracing yourself or you fall back like this and don't have like a break fall, you can fucking. You can break your neck. He was unconscious just from. From, from hitting his head.

[Joe Budden]

He was unconscious from. From the fall.

[El]

Yeah, just from the fall. That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[El]

He was already unconscious when he met.

[Joe Budden]

He couldn't move.

[El]

He didn't defend himself. This wasn't a fight.

[Joe Budden]

This was an unconscious person that he mounted in the face. Yes.

[El]

He basically power bombed him and mounted him and started beating the out of him.

[Joe Budden]

I counted, I lost count. It might have been 14, 15 punches.

[El]

It was close to 20. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Dude lost all his teeth and. And I think he broke his too. That's what I'm saying, man.

[Joe Budden]

This kid is strong like this work out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm trained.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It ain't just me or you hitting somebody. It's somebody that knows how to.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I trained too. Don't keep putting me in you. Here we go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You trained in combat?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You're a black belt, right?

[Queens Flip]

Don't start your man.

[Joe Budden]

If you're a black belt.

[El]

I didn't say Billy Blanks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm trained in typo ls.

[El]

I would pay to see like a, like a, like a little celebrity boxing match between you two.

[Joe Budden]

How much would you pay?

[El]

I pay. I pay a lot. I think the fans. You. You put that on the tier. I bet you, you, you. You make way more money in the basketball game.

[Joe Budden]

Who would.

[El]

You heard what I said, right?

[Joe Budden]

See, but I can't give that.

[Queens Flip]

They got little jokes. They got little jokes. Who y got little jokes over there. You ain't hear what he said? Yeah, he would make more. I heard what he said, but I'm just saying. I want to laugh, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't hear what he said.

[El]

I said I shared the joke. If you heard what he said, you ain't hear the joke. It wasn't secret, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all can kill a joke, boy, you got it. Suspension talent we have here. I don't play with my hands. The same advice I'm giving MMA fighters.

[El]

I respect that. I'm the same way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't play with my hands.

[El]

No, I mean, like, I don't like to play fight, Joe. I don't. I just don't like that stuff, man.

[Queens Flip]

Fight it every day, man. When you gonna work out?

[El]

No, no, but I'm saying, like, I don't play fight.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, outside? Yeah.

[El]

Like, I don't slap boxing with y. I just don't like this.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't.

[El]

You ain't never seen me do. I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say a word.

[El]

Yeah, it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a theory I have. Why you wouldn't do that?

[Ish]

Oh, he's calling you.

[El]

I'll get up. Not at all.

[Queens Flip]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think just the opposite. I think Mark comes around here and tries to play this academic, intellectual nigga just for his opportunity to show you.

[Joe Budden]

That I'm not just an intellectual academic.

[El]

Not at all. No, it's not even that.

[Queens Flip]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

I know, dog. Well, there's nothing you could do. I'm you. You're the intellectual academic man.

[El]

And I'm comfortable.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing you can do to get out of that.

[El]

And I'm comfortable with that.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I want him. I. I think he be waiting for. To think, oh, you nerdy ass nigga.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I think his. His dream is out here.

[Queens Flip]

Park Lamont Hill is on Sunset.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Putting somebody in the.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think that's what. He practices that in the mirror and.

[Ish]

Runs down the scenario.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you punk ass.

[Joe Budden]

Imani changed his name to Sunset. Yo, this guy. Yo, let me stop too, cuz. They gonna really fight one day.

[El]

No, we are not.

[Joe Budden]

Then they gonna say it's my fault. Joe, remember they know the episode that you up on. Remember 8:57, 473, he said sucking dick. What else we got? What else we got? What else we got?

[El]

I finally saw. Oh, speaking of apology, I told you I heard from Tamara. I also heard from Jussie Smollett yesterday. He sent me a evidence file.

[Joe Budden]

What are you talking about? I meant to get on YouTube because in one of these episodes. You did say that Jussie Smollett is your friend.

[El]

He is, but I think you used.

[Joe Budden]

The friend word like girls that go to Miami and share the room.

[El]

No, no. I love Jesse. I do.

[Joe Budden]

But everybody's your friend, so I don't know the nature of friendship. But if Jesse is your friend, I would have gave you a message for him long before he sent one to you.

[El]

And I don't know if he just sent me this so that I could have it because the documentary came out or because a couple of weeks ago I was talking. We've been talking about the case.

[Ish]

Sure.

[El]

I didn't get a chance to respond. Cause I was working yesterday.

[Ish]

But you didn't read the case file.

[El]

I did not. I did not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Of your man.

[El]

Yeah. No, not yet. I will. I will. But it's funny because the day he sent it was the day I watched half of the documentary.

[Ish]

No, it's funny for a lot of reasons.

[El]

But I watched the second half of the documentary last night, and.

[Ish]

Okay.

[El]

And you. You've seen the whole thing now, right?

[Joe Budden]

Hell, no. Oh, are you kidding me?

[El]

You watch everything? Especially this kind of.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't watch that.

[El]

Believe me when I tell you, you need to watch it.

[Ish]

I can't wait to watch it.

[Queens Flip]

I haven't yet.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it, Mark.

[El]

I would not have said this 48 hours ago. I would have said, this is a waste of time. But I promise you, the documentary, he didn't make it. I thought initially he made it.

[Ish]

Wait, before you go any further, is it important to watch because it's good or is it.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's important to watch because it's changing people's minds or some people's minds.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It leads to reasonable doubt or if he did it or not.

[Joe Budden]

That's why people want.

[Ish]

This is why I'm trying to get clarity.

[El]

This is what I say because I don't want to spoil.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why Martin is up here with the foul.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And my man sent me the foul.

[Queens Flip]

Somebody I love.

[El]

None of that. This is what I tell you. I said this before. I don't believe that his version of events is what actually happened. You said that. I said that. So this isn't like I'm saying he's. But I'm. That doesn't mean he's lying is what I'm saying. And when you watch the. When you watch it, I'll give you an example. I get what he's saying.

[Joe Budden]

I know what he's saying.

[El]

It's just. Look, an hour ago or 40 minutes ago, we had a debate about what you said at Invest Fest, Right? And you weren't lying. You were just wrong. So I'm saying. I'm saying sometimes you can have an account of something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was wrong in me saying, yo.

[Ish]

A word, a misspeak is very different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From what you talking about. Somebody that planned out an event that transpired and he gave a whole recollection of a series of events. Not, yo, I didn't say a misspeak. One word wrong. That changes the sentence, of course, but it's a whole different thing. My nigga, he went to the police department.

[Queens Flip]

No, he didn't. No, they went to some house.

[El]

They went to his house. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, pardon me. He still had the noose on.

[El]

This is how he. No, but listen to me. I'm with you.

[Queens Flip]

And the police said, take that off. L. Take that. Can you take that off?

[Joe Budden]

Cops had to say, yo, I'm getting uncomfortable.

[El]

No, but this is my point. My point in making a comparison. Just to say that a person can have a. Can remember something differently and think they're right, but it went differently. I'm saying when you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I just did.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying, yo, I ain't say a long time ago, right?

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I owned a construction company a long time ago. But instead of saying a long time, right, so the ago is not a whole mapped out series of events that transpired over hours and hours.

[El]

No, just hear my response.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was wrong in everything.

[El]

What I'm saying is when you watch the documentary, which you might be led to believe at the end, is that. Well, two things. One, there's one perspective that he thinks he's right. He thinks this thing happened and that he was. In other words, to give you a concrete example, let's say somebody goes and does all that shit to him.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[El]

The argument is that he set it up. There's no physical evidence that he set it up. So what I'm saying is he may really think he got attacked on the street. It just. He just. It just was bullshit. I'm not saying it happened. I'm just saying he might not have been the one that orchestrated.

[Joe Budden]

See, and this is why I have a problem.

[El]

That's why I'm saying, watch.

[Joe Budden]

The problem with this is why I have a problem with your friendships. Because my friend couldn't tell me me that.

[El]

Couldn't tell you what?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I got beat up by two Haitians in the street. And it didn't.

[Queens Flip]

They weren't Haitian.

[Joe Budden]

Stop doing Nigerians.

[Queens Flip]

They asked Me.

[Joe Budden]

That part don't matter to me. Shout out to them. But that's not where I'm at here.

[El]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

You can't tell me that you got beat up and harassed and hounded and mauled in the street and then that didn't happen like that. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

Get checked in some.

[Ish]

Did he also just say it was decidedly white?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

People were screaming racial slurs at him. He said they were white people. They were knocking his sexuality and all of these things.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you just got your ass whooped on the street, that's one thing. But when you start having all of this attention to detail, it's hard for me to now say, yo, you forgot this.

[Queens Flip]

I ain't gonna lie.

[El]

Hold on real quick. I'm with you. When you watch the end of the. That's what I'm saying. Watch the documentary.

[Queens Flip]

When I watch. I'm sorry.

[El]

All I was gonna say is, at the end of the documentary, there are several witnesses who also say that they saw a white guy.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta be.

[El]

They also show a video. No. There's also a video of the. When they trace the people. And there's 10 seconds missing out of the video that the police can't explain. Right. I mean, they completely change what happened. Again, do I think Jussie Smollett's version is true? No. What I'm saying is. I'm saying multiple things could be true at the same time. I think the police left out stuff. I think the police didn't operate in good faith. And I think there's more to the story than we know.

[Queens Flip]

You should watch a joke.

[El]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

But, you know the other reason? I'm just not gonna watch it or have it watched.

[Queens Flip]

Even the lobby video. You gotta see how he works.

[Joe Budden]

But whether he's right or the people that think he's lying are right, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter anymore. I think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it matters to me. It matters to his career, matters to his credibility. He may not be able to. Book worked.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if you.

[Joe Budden]

He's cooked already.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So from his perspective, though, if you could get it out.

[Joe Budden]

Ribeye, well done. So what's the shits to cook? Fast. Filet mignon. Yeah, he's cooked. We don't go have a Million Man March for all of the men who've been wrongfully accused and lost their career. We. We would be doing that right now with Mike Beasley from the Pistons. He got railroaded I'm negotiating for 20, 40 million, whatever the number is. They come out, say I did something. I didn't do it. I get exonerated. And now I'm vet mint.

[El]

Who cares?

[Joe Budden]

You cooked. Your sister's on a roll, Empire's off tv. Like you just fighting for justice at this point.

[El]

No, God forbid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fighting for jail.

[Joe Budden]

Please.

[El]

The next time you up at 3am micro analyzing his transcripts. It's his transcripts for four hours. Maybe you could take an hour and 48 and watch the documentary.

[Ish]

I will watch that doc.

[El]

I promise you. You'll be glad. Again, I went in very skeptical. That was gonna be a waste of my time. It was definitely worth my time.

[Joe Budden]

Jussy, you are a lion. Sack of shit. I don't care what Netflix say. I don't care what those writers say. You a lyin son of my gun, lying ass nigga. Y' all always flip.

[El]

You saw it, right?

[Queens Flip]

I saw the beginning. I. When I saw how he walked in the lobby. How this. Oh. I said, all right. Something might have happened to him.

[El]

Boom. I got flipped on my side.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, okay. All right.

[El]

You watch Empire?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[El]

He ain't Sidney Poitier. Let's just say he ain't Journey. No. Right? Because guess who's coming home. Home for dinner.

[Joe Budden]

Guess who's not coming home for dinner. The Menendez brothers. Denied parole.

[Queens Flip]

Yes. They were both up.

[El]

That was smooth. Some pro right there say they want to murk.

[Joe Budden]

Joey.

[Queens Flip]

How he little. Bow wow. It's my son.

[Joe Budden]

Something is really wrong with.

[Queens Flip]

That was fire.

[El]

Thank you for that part of the month of August. Y' all give him a shot.

[Joe Budden]

Imani looked like he gonna win it, but the bc, the bladder cancers. Yeah. Like anybody have if you don't win it when you have bladder cancer.

[El]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

That's the last tweet you put out the other day.

[Joe Budden]

Was fault. I had to text him on the side.

[Queens Flip]

Martin is crazy.

[Ish]

Mark is absolutely crazy.

[Queens Flip]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[El]

Cause on the jbtv, they were like, oh, we're thinking about part of the month. And we gotta give. We gotta give Imani some extra consideration because he did. He is cancer free now. And I was like, I've been cancer free.

[Queens Flip]

Like, we are Marcus crazy. I read that.

[Ish]

I said.

[El]

What the. I get extra points for that.

[Joe Budden]

What? It's crazy. No, it's not crazy. There is a word for it. I figured it out. I'm telling you.

[Queens Flip]

I've been.

[El]

I got hilarious. Tell me the word.

[Joe Budden]

Mark says mean under a veil of intellectual that nobody would ever think to say. Cause that's just mean.

[El]

Are you fucking kidding me, Joe Budden? You are mean. I say shit that no one would think. I say shit. That's exactly what you're thinking. That's why you fucking laugh.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't say it because I'm not mean. But you're very mean. And these are my friends. You talk to these niggas like. Like just strangers at a bar or some shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who the.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. I'll get back to you.

[El]

The Menendez brothers, though.

[Ish]

The Menendez brothers, yes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

That's. It might be a good argument for why docs don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Ish]

Like, these docs sometimes can have you believe in some. That there's. It's. It doesn't matter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I think the doc worked.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Got them paroled.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think the DOC lended palmy level of empathy for them.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because we were up here contemplating on should they be released, and y' all was kind of swaying like I was.

[El]

I think they should.

[Ish]

But the thing that we have to remember is that roll board.

[Queens Flip]

Sorry.

[Ish]

The thing that we have to remember. Did you watch the docs?

[El]

No, I don't have a position on it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm watch Jesse and that.

[Ish]

Yeah, this is a way better doc. Anyways. They probably have more information than we do and that they probably like. Docs can be skewed and often are in one way or another. Like the Jussie doc. There's probably some information that was left up that was important.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My thing was, even if it was exactly how the docs laid it out for them. No.

[Ish]

Tell me why they still brutally murdered someone with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because they.

[El]

So you just don't believe in parole.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For no Melon Parks. And I could be misquoting you. So correct me was, yo, these dudes have endured mad shit traumatically. And so this led them down this path.

[Joe Budden]

Mm.

[El]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And my thing is these niggas are rich. They grew up in Beverly Hills. They have endured some trauma, but so has every fucking killer in the ghetto. Every killer in the ghetto didn't just wake up and say, I wanna go kill motherfuckers. We went through. Oh, not we. Pardon me. The killers in the ghetto went through a series of traumas that kind of bred them to be this type Of.

[Joe Budden]

Of way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And. And if we're going to lend empathy to that, the Menendez brothers that lived in Beverly Hills and had all the opportunities awarded to them or afforded to them, then we gonna have to have the same level of sympathy for motherfuckers.

[Queens Flip]

You use it, we use. You use that a lot. I don't think that money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not about money.

[Queens Flip]

It's about money. I don't think the opportunity change. If you're going through sexual abuse and if you're going through something traumatic in your home, money doesn't change that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree with that.

[Queens Flip]

The environment doesn't change.

[El]

Take.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Take the money out. Yeah, they still lived in better environments and better neighborhoods than a lot of these kids outside.

[Queens Flip]

But that still doesn't change if you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are in your house being assaulted and abused and then the second you step out your 24 story project building to walk downstairs and there's more abuse and more trauma and all of those things surrounding you on a day.

[El]

You got molested in the mansion, so you do life. You got molested in the. No, but I'm saying that's.

[Ish]

I was kind of getting on your side until. I think the difference is that they lashed out against the people that were causing the trauma as opposed to going out and just committing reckless crimes in the neighborhood.

[El]

That's what makes me more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But those crimes a lot of times aren't reckless. Just because you don't know the backstory to those crimes because they didn't have a dock afforded to them, that don't mean that those crimes were reckless. Everybody in the ghetto just not walking up to random people blowing their brains.

[El]

Let me ask you a question, because I'm not, I'm agreeing with what you're saying, I think. But that sounds like an argument for getting the Menendez brothers mercy and other people too. Not for giving nobody mercy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Yeah, but if the other people, if that's the case, then we gotta be consistent across the board, which we know society at large is not gonna do. But society at large is not gonna say, yo, you went through some trauma, you went through some trauma, you went through some trauma, you went through some trauma, we gonna give y' all parole. The Menendez brothers had enough money and influence to even get a documentary to express their capes.

[El]

Here's my issue with that, is that if society should be giving people mercy in addition to the Menendez brothers, and they're not, I don't think we should punish the Menendez brothers because society has fucked up the poor people. You see what I'm saying? Gotcha. Our advocacy should be to get the poor people out, not to put the rich people in on this case. Cuz I agree with you to some extent and I. My brother, when he got sentenced, I went to the sentencing, I Guess last July, because he had been in jail for three years before he even got sentenced, before he even got his case, which is crazy. Which is a little crazy. And we went to the sentencing, and I was hoping to get him time served. He was convicted ultimately, of shooting somebody. Right? And so we were. There were about three sentences before him. We were there, me and my wife were sitting there, and the first guy shot somebody in the middle of the street, broad daylight in North Philly. No doubt about what happened. Dude had two previous drug convictions. He shouldn't have had a gun, legally, etc. Dude basically got six months. And you know why? Because he had trauma. He was in foster care. He'd been molested. They named all this. When they got to my brother, they were. The judge, I mean, read him his rights. It was basically like, you have no excuse for this. You had two parents in your life.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You Mark Lamont Hill brother.

[El]

She didn't say that.

[Joe Budden]

But you being in the.

[El]

Might not have it helped. I actually shaved some time off this joint, to tell you the truth. Literally, that's what the lawyer told me, because I was trying to name all his traumas. I was naming shit like, and this and this. You know what I mean? Trying to get that shit down. Because lawyers should have did that shit before. But my point is, the court system is designed to say, if you're fucked up, we give you more mercy than if you're not. And if we don't think you have a good reason for doing what you did, you gonna sit more time. He got more time than the guy who did a more brutal crime. And my brother had a much better excuse for his. For his situation than what this guy did. But because of his background, they didn't give it to him. And I'm not sure that that's fair either.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, but we going on. And this is not what the show is about. But there are other instances where people will say, yo, you come from a good family, so I'm gonna give you a lenient time. Cause I see you got a courtroom full of people in here that love and care about you. If nobody came in here, my little cousin just got. Well, you know. But my little cousin was in the Feds, and my whole family flooded the courtroom, and he said, yo, I could tell you, you come from a situation where people care about you. You lucky. You need to thank your family that they came here today, or I would have sent your ass up. So it plays out both ways. What I'm saying is, in the Menendez brother situation, My nigga.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If we. Cause they got a DOC that lended some empathy to these white boys that committed a heinous act, fuck that. No, we not doing that. Unless we gonna spread that same sympathy across the board. In my opinion.

[El]

Is there any crime that y' all think you should never even be considered for parole?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[El]

What's that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

With kids?

[El]

Okay. Same.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[El]

What would you say? Anything.

[Ish]

Now question. Do you mean light? You should serve life.

[El]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Parole. Or you could do 20 years. Because I would think I would put some sexual assault cases in the same thing. But not necessarily a life situation.

[El]

But just no earlier.

[Ish]

You get what you get. If you did some violent sexual crime and you got 20 years, you got to do 20.

[El]

You gotta do all 20.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Have you found with some kids.

[Ish]

That too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Put your ass on a planet somewhere to never see, like, daylight again and see again.

[El]

That's interesting, because they don't even have.

[Joe Budden]

Enough real estate to do what y' all saying.

[El]

Well, that's the other part. But I also know a lot of kids who are molested end up becoming molesters. Do we have any Mer? You know what I mean? Again, like, where's the mercy? Becomes tough. Right. I mean, like. And I never know exactly where to draw the line.

[Joe Budden]

I think there's some crimes where no parole see fit. I don't know that I can think of them off the top of my head.

[Ish]

It's definitely a case by case basis, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Like, do y' all think the woman that murdered Selena should be put away? Should be put away for life or not be paroled?

[El]

I mean, I know she should get out. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think she should get out. And I think to Isha's point, if she weren't Selena, we wouldn't be having this conversation. She'd be out. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you kill a famous person and a beloved famous person, the courts are harder on you. They just are. Because they don't want the backlash because everybody's watching.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[El]

Whereas if you kill Joe Blow, nobody knows when the person comes home. Nobody knows when the person comes home.

[Queens Flip]

I think we just have to be mindful of when we dissect these cases, especially when it comes to sexual assault.

[Joe Budden]

Or what we say.

[Queens Flip]

That's it. And it's a case by case thing. We have to look at things. Everybody, no matter. No disrespect to issue. Like I said, he said, remove that. I think that no matter where you grew up at, no matter how wealthy you are. No matter if you come from a family of wealth. Sexual assault. Sexual assault. If you feel like somebody's in the house and you. Because especially if you have wealth, right. If the person's controlling the money and everything like that, and they do whatever you want and you rely on that, you may feel scared. I can't say anything. There's a lot of things that come into that. I can't say anything. They control my life. So we just have to be mindful of what we say. But I definitely understand what. What you saying. I understand what everybody's saying. I feel like it's a case by case thing.

[Joe Budden]

In closing, I do think they will eventually be paroled. I just don't think that time is right now. Word like, y' all still. Y' all still ain't got enough wrinkles on your face. Y' all looking good. Y' all young. Only one of you niggas is balding. The other one got a full head of hair. Like. And on the news, like, when they spoke about this, they were asking the correspondent said, well, do you think that the. These gentlemen will be able to come home and not be a threat to society? And every time they asked that, the other person said, yes, I do. I don't think there'll be a threat at all. I'm so shocked by that.

[El]

I think that's an honest answer. That's why they should be home to me.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. If somebody blows their parents, and I'm not trying to bring it back up, if somebody blows their parents heads off with a shotgun at any time in their life, for the rest of their life, I'm gonna see them as a.

[El]

Threat no matter what their parents did.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, okay.

[El]

Okay, that's fair. I don't see it that way. But I get what's the manner in.

[Ish]

Which they killed them? It was not just like they shot them and kept it moving. Like they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Overkill.

[Ish]

Yeah, overkill. They went crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Thread level just speaks to the. Huh?

[El]

They went. Jackson.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I mean, thread level just speaks to the potential of something we.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Could get off this dog. Those same correspondence that they asked let these have been some little black boys from an inner city that endured all of that same. And I don't think they look at the violence level or the potential violence level of repeat offenders in the same way. And that's where the money piece comes in and is important.

[El]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

And now it's time for. Nope, they're going to get me again. This is the 5 second pause. This is the pause between something that was really, really serious and get money.

[Queens Flip]

Move get money.

[Joe Budden]

This is a brief pause so you could get yourself together because we were talking about really sensitive material and now we about to get a bag. There is no way to make that segue cool and pretty. Prize and now it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize Picks. All right, what is prizepix? Prizepix is the best place to turn your sports knowledge into real cash money. With millions of members, Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all, really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is pick more or less on at least two players for your chance to now win up to 2000 times your cash. And football season is almost here. My fantasy draft is tonight and baseball season is still here. So whether it's with strikeouts, RBIs or first inning runs, make your call with more or less for a chance to play for now, up to 2,000 times your cash on Prize Picks. So our picks of the week goes as follows. We have Big Page for more than 18 and a half points. We have AJ Wilson for more than two and a half assists, Chelsea Gray for more than three and a half rebounds, and Francisco Lindor for more than one and a half hits, runs and RBIs. Don't forget, if you download the Prize Picks app right this second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. So good luck to all participants out there and run your game.

[El]

Yo, is it time to have the Paige Bucher's conversation?

[Joe Budden]

They're having it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What conversations they're having?

[El]

It's time I. She's a fucking problem, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, she tough.

[El]

She's a menace, yo. I mean, people are saying that she is who people think Caitlin Clark is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Those people are out of.

[El]

I don't believe that. No, I'm still team Caitlin Clarking insane. But Paige is better than I thought she'd be. And she definitely is having a better rookie year, I would say, than Caitlyn is. I think Caitlyn's a better player, better playmaker. There's some things I like about Caitlin Moore, but Paige Buchus is a fucking problem. And I think her injury her senior year at UConn sort of skewed me a little bit. I wasn't sure she'd ever recover from that, which was my concern. But she's killing it. Shout out to her.

[Joe Budden]

When it's all said and done, Paige could 1000% end up being a better scorer than Cece Absolutely.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But Kaylin Clark, game and dynamics not predicated at all on scoring the ball or athleticism. Yeah, my nigga, she's throwing 90 foot bounce passes to people. She's hitting people in the face with the ball, ball. They couldn't catch her. She controls the game in a different way. Paige put the ball in the bucket. I don't even know if she does that better than Caitlyn Clark, but she's tough.

[Joe Budden]

We going crazy. We going crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know her averages are outside of the 44 point game.

[Joe Budden]

No, I know she scores in the mid range and CC don't. I know she shoots a 3 the same way Cece does.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's cool though.

[El]

She does some things better than Caitlyn Clark. To me, I think she, I think she goes left better. I think she, she can, she can create her own shot a little bit better in terms of. There's some things she does better. But I still think Caitlin Clark's overall a better player. She's not a better defender. Paige is also a much better defender than Caitlin Clark. That ain't never been Caitlin's ministry, though.

[Joe Budden]

There are people having that conversation. I won't be the one leading charge, but there are people that are having that talk.

[El]

And I just want to shout out, because earlier in the year and even last year, I was one of the people that said Paige wasn't going to be close to Caitlin because honestly, I didn't think she'd ever get her foot speed back. I didn't think she'd ever be able to score as dynamic because of that knee injury. And also again, shout out to Angel Reese, who's turned out to have an amazing second year her sophomore year. Her sophomore pro year. Second pro year has been getting better than a lot of people anticipate. I've always been a fan of hers, but I'm really impressed by the year she's having. Again, I think people are overstating where she is to Caitlin Clark, which I don't even want to compare to him. I'm just saying that's what people have.

[Joe Budden]

Been doing, Marcus, because we did the prize picks. You don't have to go into your. Because you care about this shit more.

[El]

Than like, you know what, it seemed like the best chance to get some WNBA in. I didn't want to do it after, you know, we're talking death and terror.

[Joe Budden]

You could go home and talk about it with your wife.

[El]

My wife.

[Joe Budden]

Go talk about it with your son.

[El]

My wife watches the pros. She watches the men's. I'M not watching this.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, let's cover Snoop Dogg's comments. Snoop Dogg's comments. He's under fire. Whatever. Whatever that means. Today, Snoop Dogg made some comments about taking his grandkid to the movie to see. What is that movie? The. It was a kid movie. Huh?

[Ish]

Light year.

[Joe Budden]

I can't hear.

[Ish]

Light year.

[El]

Light year. Light year.

[Joe Budden]

Light year. And he said that in the scene, two female characters had a baby. So he said that his a grandkid in the movie started having a. I had to clip.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Why am I saying what he said?

[Ish]

You ain't got to do them like.

[El]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, whose side are y' all on?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Before I get the clip, I gotta hit a clip.

[Joe Budden]

No, you know, you can pick a side or you can flip flop like you did with Cheyenne Bryant or like you do traditionally every day, you can flip flop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Start calling your flip flop like you.

[Joe Budden]

Did with Dr. You better get that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Rewind button real, real comfortable.

[El]

I think everybody need a rewind button.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Face off.

[Joe Budden]

The rewind button is for everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but then you.

[Joe Budden]

It's for everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When we do it to you, you'll be like, yo, you trying to get your.

[Joe Budden]

Aha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got your moment.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, hey, when you do the rewind with me, it ain't going to come with a bobblehead action toy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. It's going to come with a. It's going to come with a back. It's going to come with a backtracking on a treadmill, running backwards with some changing attitude.

[Joe Budden]

What happened was. I know.

[Queens Flip]

That is crazy, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I have smoked her boots. You up there making friends. Let's see here. What? You too?

[El]

You a too for doing what you said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're A as in also.

[Queens Flip]

You said two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What made me words. I got this wrong with you.

[Queens Flip]

I got this crazy.

[Ish]

Breaking news. Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift announced their engagement on Instagram Parks.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[El]

That has to go WNBA territory.

[Joe Budden]

Good for the.

[Ish]

Congratulations.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations.

[El]

Congrats.

[Joe Budden]

What does that do for Travis Kelsey? Fantasy owners?

[Ish]

Oh, it's. It's a dub. He's been winding down anyway, though.

[Joe Budden]

I think this might be his last season.

[Ish]

I could see that.

[Joe Budden]

This might be his last season. He might get some, like, retirement tuds.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think them was hurt all season. Snoop, Snoop, honestly, what was the movie with Buzz Light?

[El]

Toy Story.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not that one, but.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, the new. The new Buzz. The light year.

[El]

I think Kiki Palmer is in that movie.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She plays like the dark.

[Joe Budden]

That was your first mistake.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We watching it and the lady, which is Kiki's mama.

[Joe Budden]

They move on into the space years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They move down the line. They're like, man, she had a baby with a woman. One of my grandsons, in the middle of the movie. Like, Papa Smooth. How'd she have a baby with a woman?

[Joe Budden]

She a woman.

[El]

Oh, I didn't come in for this.

[Joe Budden]

I just came to watch the goddamn movie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, man, watch the movie.

[El]

They just said she and she had a baby.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They both women's.

[El]

How did she have a baby?

[Joe Budden]

I think that's like, me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm scared to go to the movies now.

[El]

Like, y' all throwing me in the middle of that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't watching it. That's the clip. Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I don't think he said anything bad.

[Joe Budden]

That is the clip that everybody's going crazy over. They're trying to say that Snoop don't want to see gay couples, lesbian couples in movies.

[Queens Flip]

No, he's saying that he don't want to explain. Be having to explain to his grandchild, you know, what's going on. That's what I took from that. I just don't. Y' all putting me in the midst of that. I don't want to explain. I came here to watch a movie. I didn't come here to explain sexuality, how a woman and woman can have a baby.

[El]

Who should explain that?

[Queens Flip]

Who knows? I'm just saying. But probably he should explain. Teachers should explain. People should explain the whole way. I understand what he's saying.

[Joe Budden]

He should explain it, but. Okay. Should he explain it in the movies?

[El]

No. I think you could say, I'll tell you when we get home. But I think the idea that this movie puts in a position that he has to have conversations that he otherwise wouldn't want to have is a bit unreasonable. But you said that a lot of people.

[Joe Budden]

He's not saying, I don't want to have this conversation. Well, at least I didn't hear him say that. He's saying, I came to the movie just to watch the movie, not to have to have this conversation right here.

[El]

I think he said his kid wouldn't stop. Yeah. When you hear the audio first. When you hear the audio, it is a different tone than what you read.

[Ish]

It sounds much more playful than what I was reading the outlash online.

[Joe Budden]

Because they trying to hang them.

[El]

Yeah, I wouldn't hang them for this. Again, I read the verbates, I read the transcripts, and I even reported on it. You know what the responses were. I didn't necessarily offer take on it. I just offered, you know, hearing him. It does give some more context. Right. He's obviously laughing. He's more saying, like, I don't wanna talk. You know, like, you ask me questions I can't answer in the movie. I still think it's irresponsible. I think we have to talk about that a little bit different. And I think part of it for me is who Snoop is. Snoop is somebody whose entire career has been built around saying and doing things like this can't be the first time your grandkid asked you some shit that made you uneasy. I'm sure your kids gonna hear the Chronic at some point. I'm sure they're gonna hear Doggy Style at some point. And you're gonna have to explain that shit, too. Like, you know, we're gonna have to do some explaining around yourself, much less and your career. Right. Much less what happens in this movie.

[Joe Budden]

So that's not fair.

[El]

I don't. I think it is.

[Joe Budden]

That's not fair.

[El]

Why you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You explaining Doggy Style and Chronic is something that you did that you can explain to somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Where I was a kid will bump into the cartoon Pixar movie before they bump into Doggy Style and Chronic, even if they.

[El]

Not if it's your kid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, look, even if they don't. But you can explain why you wrote these lyrics or why you said these things. Explaining that versus explaining society at large and its evolution is two totally different things. And I think one is easier to do.

[El]

I see. I think it's much easier to say, you know, women have babies sometimes than explain, bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks, lickable nuts and suck the dick. I think it's much easier.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I would.

[Joe Budden]

No Marco sound right?

[El]

No, but I would agree with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would want to explain my words. Look, I think that's subjective.

[Queens Flip]

He's changing the argument, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's subjective.

[Joe Budden]

You think that that's the position he should have taken in the movies?

[El]

No, I said. I think he should have said, we'll talk. I'll explain to you after the movies. I'll tell you later.

[Ish]

I think you could say it in the way that you just said it. Sometimes women have babies with women.

[El]

I think actually leave it right there.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[El]

It didn't say, we'll talk more after the movie.

[Ish]

I don't think it's that complicated to explain the process very quickly.

[Joe Budden]

How many times y' all been in a movie with a kid?

[El]

A lot.

[Ish]

A lot.

[El]

I have three.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said that his initial answer was what? Cause he had an initial answer, and then his grandbaby was like, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Sometimes a kid is persistent in the movies while it's silent and nobody's supposed to be talking. I think he was putting a lot of emphasis on that. Not really him having to teach, in.

[Ish]

Fairness, kids or young people or sometimes even your girl. And the movie theater will ask you questions that you have to explain, and you don't want to explain, period, whether it's about sexuality or just something in the plotline that they missed.

[El]

And remember, I said, don't hang him for it. I just said, I think it's irresponsible because of what projecting that message means out to the world. I understand the dynamic of wanting somebody to shut the fuck up in the movie, whether it's about sexuality or the plotline or whatever. I get his. That's what I say when I hear it. I'm a lot less bothered by it.

[Ish]

I think that's an even funnier bit, really having to explain some dumb shit in the movie regardless of what it's about.

[Joe Budden]

Right, right.

[El]

But I wouldn't. But. But that's irresponsible to say in the interview because of. I mean, this story, this conversation right now is exactly why.

[Joe Budden]

But what's wrong with the conversation?

[El]

Not the one. Not the one we're having.

[Joe Budden]

But this is the conversation. Not the one we're having, but what we're having about Snoop. That was going on when pose the TV show. Are you familiar when they started putting certain shit on TV every day?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And when they started making certain comic book campaigns. Yeah. I mean, there is the Some Some and Sesame Street.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Again, I don't really like doing this no more. But what's wrong with him having that opinion if that's his opinion?

[El]

What opinion? If.

[Joe Budden]

If he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I'm not putting words in his.

[Queens Flip]

Mouth, he doesn't want to explain.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he doesn't want to feel responsible for explaining that to his grandchild or he feels that it puts him in a uncomfortable place.

[Joe Budden]

That's your mom and daddy job or dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just. He could feel uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with him feeling uncomfortable about tough conversations.

[El]

Again.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[El]

You have a right to feel that way. What I said is the irresponsible part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For me is him saying it aloud as Snoop.

[El]

Forget about his history. I'm talking about Snoop as superstar, as person who is gonna make the news headlines and it's gonna create all kinds of misunderstandings. That's what I meant by the conversation we're having, is that we're trying to parse out what he meant. Right. Or other people are trying to put parse out what he meant. I don't want to say nothing where people can parse out. Have to parse out what I meant. When the worst interpretation is one that it seemed as harmful. Like, that to me is just irresponsible. Just don't do that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Audience, this is a good time for me to tell y' all that Mark still has a little smoke with Snoop over there. Trump stuff?

[El]

No, not at all. Not at all. I disagreed with him on it, but, like, I love Snoop.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, this can't be any more irresponsible than that.

[El]

Oh, that was way more irresponsible. That was way more irresponsible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it takes away from. From the authenticity of a person. I think that that's what happens now with podcasts and all this other shit. We know what we should say, we know what we shouldn't say, and we're just saying stuff to appease people. Right. And then somebody else might really walk a different lifestyle. But I can't publicly say it, so I'mma just lie on camera.

[Ish]

No, my thing with this is it kind of. I watched the Patrice o' Neill argument you guys had about the Don Imus thing back in the day.

[El]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

And this. He fried you up a little bit. But this kind of falls in the same category of this clip. From hearing it, I was reading all the backlash online. This seems like he was kind of being funny and playful.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Silly to me.

[Ish]

And, like, once we start policing comedy, it gets in a weird place. Like, it's not. It's not that serious.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's irresponsible for us to call that irresponsible. Like, that's a strong word. But you think that he is and has been irresponsible, period.

[El]

Yeah, I think most. I mean, I think. Yeah, Yeah. I think a lot of us have, but, yeah, he'd be one of them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Got it.

[El]

I was irresponsible last week with Terra Marie. I mean, like, irresponsible shit happens. I'm not. I'm not above the fray. I'm just saying that was some shit he's done. Is irresponsible. Walking out with two women on dog collars is irresponsible. We could say it's art, but it's irresponsible. You know, like, we do irresponsible shit sometimes.

[Ish]

Irresponsible shit be kind of funny, though.

[El]

Sometimes. Sometimes it's too far.

[Joe Budden]

Well, speaking of irresponsible shit being funny. Did y' all see the footage of Lil Nas X's hearing?

[El]

I did not. Tell us about it, please.

[Joe Budden]

He stood there in the. He was in the. In the box or wherever they had.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Him at what he had on.

[Joe Budden]

What he had on butt ass? Again, I don't know. He had on the jail clothes. He was in the little jail and he was at, you know, he didn't have a boots on. Yo la. See, this is why I could never move to Los Angeles. Everything's so dramatic. They had him back there like he was Hannibal Lecter. They wouldn't like because he was behind the door and his attorney, or not even attorney, whoever she was, was in front of the door like he was just a stone cold killer. For walking around naked.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They gotta have him in preservative custody.

[El]

They got him for assault too, right?

[Joe Budden]

Well, they slapped a ton of charges.

[Ish]

Yeah, the charges were. Were much more serious than the information we had Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, bunch of felonies.

[Ish]

Four felonies, I think. Yeah.

[El]

Yes, four felonies, man. They be hitting you. They overcharge people. They did this to my girlfriend, Power, the one that played Effie.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[El]

They hit her with like child endangerment the other night.

[Ish]

We still don't know full details of that.

[El]

Right, Child cruelty. I'm sorry, third degree child cruelty. Yeah, but third degree child cruelty is a charge you get if you commit a crime in front of a child. So for example, if you and I got in front of a fight in front of our. In a fight in front of our daughters, we would be charged with child cruelty. But the problem is when that shit hits the headlines, don't nobody know what.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Third degree from first degree.

[El]

So yeah, people think you're over there beating kids. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just saying, even his assault charge, a lot of times you get assault charges on police by even like wiggling when they trying to lock you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, dawg, we said this up here like, yo, fam, that's why the times that I once I got accustomed. Let me take that back. I had experience being arrested a few times and so I already know what they gonna do. Like they gonna kick your leg on purpose, they gonna snatch your arm on purpose, they gonna make the cuffs tight.

[Ish]

On purpose and nothing.

[El]

So now you just like, if little you wanna know, just give me some McDonald's.

[Joe Budden]

Hate the top ball.

[El]

Just give me some McDonald's.

[Ish]

If Lil Nas X is high and naked and walking around and he gets put in handcuffs, he's probably gonna wiggle a little bit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Muscle memory.

[El]

See, you took it further. That was irresponsible.

[Ish]

That was irresponsible. My bad. My bad.

[El]

Little Nas X, he's gonna wiggle a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

These are really irresponsible jokes. I hope that he's all right.

[Ish]

Me too.

[El]

I do, too.

[Joe Budden]

And I hope that he gets the help that he needs. I hope all of the people that made all of that money off of his run come back and give a helping hand.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[El]

Do we have an indication of what the problem was other than just being inebriated in whatever form it was?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I know he's had his bouts with depression and allegedly depression and self medication.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So we don't know. That's why I'm hesitant to make the jokes because it could be really serious.

[Ish]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

It looked really sad when. When. When he was in there. Really extremely unfortunate. So hopefully he's well. Like, in times like that, I'd be wondering where people. Parents are. Some people don't have them. I hope he's cool. I hope he's cool. But he. He looked like he was going through some things. Shout out to Lil Nas X. Yeah, for sure. What else, what else, what else? What else? What else is here? Y' all want to talk about your man? Who? You know your man. Which one? Your man could be a few people, actually.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Who's a lot of bands your man could be. You and Charlemagne hugged up.

[El]

That was a crazy pick. Not crazy. That was a surprise. I was surprised.

[Queens Flip]

Surprised by what?

[El]

I mean, you know, I know he knew you were, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no, not like he from this is yo.

[El]

No, I mean enough to be like in the. You was like in the crew. Like, y' all was clear. Like the way him and Mandy was. I didn't know.

[Queens Flip]

You ain't with me. Watch your mouth.

[El]

I'm not with you. I'm.

[Queens Flip]

You ain't fucking with me, period, Bro. I don't give a fuck who knows you, nigga.

[El]

I don't want no, you ain't fucking with me, period. Nigga, I don't know what that means, but I agree. Whatever you say it, I agree.

[Queens Flip]

No, agree properly. Cause your agreements be having a lot of little side comments.

[El]

What you mean when you say I'm not fucking with you?

[Queens Flip]

You're not fucking with me.

[El]

What that means?

[Queens Flip]

I'm trying to make jokes and say niggas know you. Niggas know Flip as well.

[El]

You saying people know you as much as they know me.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, that's a fact.

[El]

That's what I'm saying. Where?

[Queens Flip]

Everywhere.

[El]

Okay. And I don't look for celebrity friends.

[Queens Flip]

I don't look for celebrity friends. I don't look for friendships neither. Not saying you do, but that's not my thing.

[El]

Same.

[Queens Flip]

All right. So we on the same page.

[El]

We on the same page.

[Queens Flip]

So how the picture look crazy to you?

[El]

I was just surprised. I said, but tell me the story. There had to be a story behind how you. And shout out to Charlamagne. That's my brother. I love Charlamagne.

[Queens Flip]

So I was walking backstage. Not backstage. I was walking, and then I saw Charlamagne and the dude, D1. And then when he walked up to me, Troy and Rashad, they was doing the Connection.

[El]

He's like, wait, you say he walked up to you or was he just walking? You was walking down the hallway. He just walked.

[Queens Flip]

He was walking this way.

[Joe Budden]

It was walking. This before you. Not to interrupt. Before you saw Charlemagne, where were you headed? I know you said you was walking, but in a lot of your content, you just are kind of walking around.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Were you going somewhere?

[Queens Flip]

I was.

[Joe Budden]

Because then every time I see you do the walking and then you see somebody, and then that's the event. Like, it looks like you're. You just are everywhere.

[Queens Flip]

So you're sitting like I'm fishing it.

[Joe Budden]

Everywhere that you have no business being. You just showing up and looking for face recognition. And then when you get it, you do the Hollywood.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, no. So, yes.

[Joe Budden]

So where were you going?

[Queens Flip]

I saw Charlamagne first. Anywhere I saw the video. I saw Charlamagne first. When him and Steve Harvey got off stage and he came up to me, flip, what up? That was the first time. And I introduced him to Junior. I said, yo, you look good. Cool. Now behind the. When we was walking, he was walking up. They let Steve Harvey. They moved niggas out the way for Steve Harvey.

[Joe Budden]

And I ain't like that.

[Queens Flip]

I complained to them niggas about that. Like, nigga, I don't give a fuck about nothing. Shout out to Steve, especially when you.

[Joe Budden]

Had your sweats on.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but I don't care about none of that shit. I'm still Queens, Flip. That's why I was telling them niggas, don't be moving me around. Don't put me with anybody else. I told them niggas, I'm a fry them up. Troy and Rashad about that bullshit that I felt away about, but that comes later. So when we were walking, him and D1 was there and he Said, yo, I don't know if you need to be next to me because you may get find or get in trouble. I said, I could be next to you. I could talk to you. And that's how that happened. That exchange happened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And say, yo, don't come over here.

[Joe Budden]

And speak to me because you could get.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you could get suspended. Don't speak to me. He didn't say, my boss, but he said, you get suspended. I don't know if you can speak to me. And then we had an exchange there, and that's where the picture came from.

[El]

What did you say in response? How did you defend the pod?

[Queens Flip]

I could talk to anybody, and my man support me. I could talk to anybody I want to.

[Ish]

Is that true?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little more aggressive.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't support anybody.

[El]

Sorry.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I could talk to anybody I wanted. That's what I said. So that was the first. That's the first two. And then I went upstairs to go sit down and have a conversation with him. And that's when the whole dialogue, yo.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about these facts.

[Queens Flip]

I'm just saying I want to hear the funnies. That's what the hug up happened. We was talking.

[Joe Budden]

What was y' all kikiing about when y'. All. When he did the touch laugh? When y' all was touch laughing?

[Queens Flip]

He was saying that, yo, like little.

[Joe Budden]

Girls in a school playground.

[Queens Flip]

He was saying how much he loved you, how y' all love each other. That's one, two. I was saying, I don't really want to talk about my man. He said, yo, me and your man love each other. Then I said, how do you feel like you be. How do you feel? How do you feel that you fluctuate on these lists? He said, I'm glad that you said that. And he started to explain that the list that they was was on. It wasn't a fluctuation. It was no number.

[El]

It was alphabetical.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, well, not. But I guess that's what it was.

[El]

Or it was alphabetical, but it wasn't in a new.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, he said it wasn't. Yeah. He said he think that's crazy that, you know, I'm happy you asked that question. And then we laughed about. I just said, I can sit here. He said, I'm not trying to do no interview. You didn't ask me to do an interview. And then we laughed. That was a laughing moment, just laughing.

[Ish]

Did you talk to D1 that was touch.

[Joe Budden]

Laugh worthy.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, cuz. He said, yeah, okay. I said, it's gonna Be out. It must be out at 2 o'.

[Joe Budden]

Clock.

[Queens Flip]

You can watch it yourself and judge and I dare you say something crazy to your man and stop acting like you don't support. Support me.

[El]

I don't give.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I don't care how you got these feeling. You know, you support me in my journeys.

[Joe Budden]

Mario, you got any questions for me?

[El]

I. I've heard enough.

[Queens Flip]

Sasha in the touch lab ball. Tell me about the touch lab. It just looked extra friendly, right?

[El]

It looked extra. It didn't look like it was. It didn't look like y' all were really friends. It looked like y' all were. You were. I'm not saying you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It just like the camera was rolling.

[El]

Yeah, it looked like a camera moment.

[Joe Budden]

Looked like he was being pawned out. You play chess?

[El]

You know the ones in the front.

[Joe Budden]

With all the chess pieces do.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Just look. Pawned out.

[Queens Flip]

Pawned out. So I wasn't a rook all night and none of this.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you was a rook in another game.

[Queens Flip]

What game?

[Joe Budden]

Basketball, football, Any of those. Did you like pawned out? A little bit. But pawns had fun.

[Queens Flip]

Couldn't make a porn.

[Joe Budden]

Just want to have fun. Y' all look good, man. Shout out to Charlamagne. Shout out to y'. All. Shout out to Mandy. Shout out to the whole crew.

[El]

Jo, I feel like people are trying to make you and I've been watching a lot of Internet content lately. People are trying to make you and Charlamagne a B4 thing and I hate that.

[Joe Budden]

They can't. People, they can't.

[Queens Flip]

Well, I mean, no, he watched the show too. I mean, he love it.

[El]

No, there have been a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

I know. So he was hugged up with Charlemagne after you seen him send them shots to Parks and Mountain.

[Queens Flip]

No, I didn't see it. I didn't see that yet.

[Ish]

He sent shots of me.

[Joe Budden]

But it did land like after. After.

[Queens Flip]

I didn't see that.

[Joe Budden]

Shots at Parks and Mel. And then the weekend after that, y' all hugged and made content together.

[Ish]

That's phony. That's phony. What's your man?

[Queens Flip]

You are my man. When. When did the. When did the shots come out? When did. Is not like you and watching these every. I'm not watching. Yeah, I don't watch. To me don't watch these moves. So I didn't know about it, but I did see about it. When the community. The community that you run or with them, I saw when they put it up, when they put the people without.

[Joe Budden]

Knowing their moves so they could be doing anything.

[Queens Flip]

I Hung up with you. I don't know your moves.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's peace, Mark. So what we saying?

[El]

I got nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I got nothing.

[El]

Oh, about you? Yeah. This seems like people who are trying to make like a beef and they're pointing out little comments or pulling interviews, sometimes out of context from Charlamagne and you, and sometimes not out of context, but like, trying to make it into a feud. I hate that because we were just having this conversation about Invest Fest, where right before the event, there was so much focus on the beef and not the fact that these black men are doing this extraordinary event. It just seemed like it's the same thing here where I would love to see y' all not necessarily partnering, but just not looking like it's a beef.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that. I don't like that. That's a narrative that's being painted coming off Invest Fest with all that.

[El]

He set this up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he's bullshit. Invest Fest with all that. All that financial literacy, all that Steve Harvey and all these black wealthy people out there kicking knowledge from now until 2026. And for 2026, if it ain't about. I said this to my flip the other day. If it ain't about unity, bringing people together, empowering, encouraging, putting past beefs and tensions to the side, as long as nobody got hurt, nobody died, if there's a way for us to build together, help different communities, empower people, then that's all I want to do. So I don't want to be mixed up with anything that could be divisive, tumultuous. Anybody that thinks that that's my relationship with them, you are totally wrong. And hopefully we can mend things and move forward.

[El]

Man, I love that you got that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm all about unity. You got the rewind, but I'm all about unity.

[Ish]

You think we're going to need that one for later?

[Joe Budden]

Maybe a few times. I'm all about unity.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Queens Flip]

I believe you. I believe you. You look like you're in new space.

[Joe Budden]

And you guys, you guys have helped by being a bridge.

[Ish]

And if Charlamagne dis me, my bad. Like, I didn't know. I. I didn't mean to, you know, my bad.

[Joe Budden]

Charlamagne. Yeah. There's no need for two black people as successful as me and Charlemagne to be beefing now or ever. Like, we. We. We did that. Both of our peoples are from South Carolina. Like, we've known each other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, they pressed you.

[Joe Budden]

We've known each other a long time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's what happened.

[Joe Budden]

We've Known each other a super long time.

[El]

They cleaned him up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They pressed you.

[Joe Budden]

Got a lot of great positive things going on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Buffalo Wild Wings.

[Joe Budden]

So do I. Right? Like, there's no need for that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what happened.

[Joe Budden]

I got it now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They pressed.

[Queens Flip]

He said you love. Y' all love each other, so it's just good.

[Joe Budden]

There's a lot of love there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a lot of hood. I heard in something. They said something's mad hood. His family pressed you. He was at the Buffalo Wild Wings. Them niggas pulled me.

[El]

The shibotus.

[Joe Budden]

What? The same goes for Mandy? Like, the same.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The same goes for, like.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They pressed you.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man. And what type of friend you think I am to my friends that I' ma just continue to have beefs with the people that they friends with? I'm not that type of friend. Hey, you good with them. You got good with me, and, man, what else we got?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know I kind of climbing out the.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to get out of there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Before we can introduce.

[Joe Budden]

That's the problem, man. Trying to be a better person. And y' all just looking like, yo, that's my problem with Rob Markman. Hey, everybody that know me, for real know that everything I just said.

[El]

Well, you got. You had issue with Rob. Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Did Rob do. No, I don't have an issue with Rob Markman.

[El]

You do. You just said, that's my beef with Rob Markman.

[Ish]

We do need to rewind.

[El]

But you literally just said, that's my beef with Rob Markman. That's why I was asking.

[Joe Budden]

No, but I don't have a real beef with Rob Markman.

[El]

Got you. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Like, my beef with Rob Markman is that he's too. He is too cool to get caught up in these beefs. So how he's handling these beefs or his Drake beef.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

With the whole. Is very mature response. Responsible political, journalistic, just giving you facts, not saying anything wrong, having a little playful fun.

[Ish]

To be clear, it was also a little shady, but, like, it was journalist shady.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was.

[El]

You may sue me.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But okay, so somebody pulled up an old Rob Markman clip of him interviewing Tory Lanez, where Tory Lanez was spitting a Lil Wayne verse. And I guess he stopped at the end of the. The final bar so Rob could say it with him, and Rob didn't. So Drake comments underneath says, of course this goof Markman can't finish the bar. Rob Markman responds underneath the comment. Ooh, comment. Beef responds underneath the comment and says, what did Rob Markman say? He said, well, I would call you names too, but you would sue. And then that was the end of the exchange. So the next day I go to get my manicure. How's it going?

[El]

It's a good comeback.

[Joe Budden]

That's a nice comeback right there.

[Ish]

Earlier, someone called him Su park.

[Joe Budden]

Supac. I saw that. Su park is funny. That's funny because he also has the Tupac Death Row chain that people were saying that he just purchased. Which he purchased.

[Ish]

They say it's fake or something, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, it said he got it a few years ago.

[Ish]

I know. I think someone is coming out and questioned the authenticity of the chain that he purchased.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't get that far. Yeah, but so then the next day I'm getting my manicure and Rob responds on his platform, YouTube and he's like my response to. Or whatever the capture said. And I click it and boy, was this just the cleanest reply that you could do. And I was so mad at Mark. So mad at Rob Marvin. Too classy.

[El]

I loved it.

[Ish]

No, I like it. It was shady, but classy.

[El]

Why does Drake have such a beef with Rob Markman? That's the thing I don't get. I don't know, because for Drake to be Drake and take the time to actually go into the comments of a random post to come after.

[Ish]

To come some old ass concept.

[El]

Right. It seems weird to me.

[Joe Budden]

Not to me. He seems to have beef with the way that everybody covered the Kendrick battle who didn't suck his dick.

[El]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

He has a problem if you went to the show and if he spoke to you. I think he just thinks that people sided with Kendrick and didn't give him a fair shot. And that manifests in these stupid beefs like this one.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's been on that for. Since the battles, really. Maybe before the battles, some of the criticism of criticism has been taking place. I read an article in the New Yorker actually the other day talking about the decline of music review in general. Music criticism in general. How like in the Rolling Stone or whatever, they used to just. Just bash people and now it doesn't really happen as much because partially at least, because of fan bases being so rabid and annoying that it's like it's not even worth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a good point.

[Ish]

Scathing somebody over. And to your point too, the. The person themselves can now just fire back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or now I'm not. I'm never gonna do anything with you guys.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

Maybe I just didn't like your album, bro.

[Joe Budden]

The artists that want you to review their music, I feel like you can tell now. And the artists. Most artists don't want you to review.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Them unless it's positive.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[El]

And it didn't used to be like that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm not even gonna say that because you could be sitting here. I've waxed poetic for years. Positive. And the second you say one thing negative, that's the one that they heard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I said. I said that unless it's something positive, won't.

[Joe Budden]

But they might not even know that something positive is happening. I think a lot of artists just don't want you to review the music. When Killer Mike came up here, when Jid came up here, shit, when Offset came up here, you could just tell the people that, have you heard this album? What did you think? I'm here to hear what you think versus the people that are playing a different game, that don't really care about the reviews. They want to go to their controlled places, like their streamer that they fuck with or Apple or Spotify or Zane or just whoever they're going to.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not somewhere that's so irregulated.

[El]

That's why I would love to see Drake, because I actually think Drake is a good interview. I think he's interesting and smart and funny and thoughtful, but he so rarely now goes to any platforms where he can demonstrate those things outside of the controlled environment. You know, like, he's about to do this. I know he's about to do this. Bobby Ellis, another thing with Bobby, another podcast. I would love to see him go out. It doesn't have to be here, although I think it'd be amazing here. But, like, I.

[Joe Budden]

Not invited up here, buddy.

[El]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

Not invited. But see, I like the running theme of that. I like his problem with hip hop media, and I like hip hop media's problem with him. I don't want it to end, you.

[El]

See, I want some answers.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want no answers. He doesn't. Let me. Let me. Yeah, let's stop it. They gonna clip me all up. Let me calm down. Let me calm down a bit. I. I think I've gotten all the answers that I was looking for.

[Ish]

They've kind of manifested themselves, back to your point, that all the beefs that he's had with what's my man's name on YouTube that he was firing at poor with glasses. Fantano. Yeah, Fantano. Like, he was fired at him however many years ago. Rob.

[El]

Now everyone, you there's no accountability for it. Like. Like, we may get our answers for why we think he did a thing, but I think there's something interesting about saying, Drake, why did you do that? Why would you pick this? Why do you have picks? Or why did you make this choice? Or why do you think you won the beef? Or why do you think you didn't win the beef? Whatever. The thing is, whatever feelings he's feeling, we get it through the music, we get it through representation, but we don't get it from him on platforms where people can ask questions back. And I just don't like that. And it's not just him. I mean, we see that with a lot of big stars. They just don't go on platforms anymore.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it's different with him because now every day or for the rest of time, it just looks like a music video for not like us.

[El]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

That's why. Stay over there with Aiden Ross. Stay over there with Bobby. Stay wherever you feel comfortable at. Right. You still not. That's still a controlled environment.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[El]

That's what.

[Joe Budden]

But stay over there. Like, I kind of take offense that he even is calling Rob Markman a goof.

[El]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Rob Markman is comfortable in his skin. Never did nothing wrong to nobody. Just a good dude all around the.

[Ish]

Board that gives a fuck about music, by the way.

[El]

Loves music, loves hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

He's that part.

[El]

But if you go stay in the white space as Drake. Remember back in Dead when people did Barbara Mike, There's a point where Michael Jackson wasn't doing fucking, you know, local radio, but he would do Barbara Walters.

[Joe Budden]

He would do.

[El]

You know, I mean, he still went places where people ask him questions that he wasn't expecting or that he didn't have a. That he couldn't control. Drake. Go do that. There's a million places that'll ask you a tough question outside of hip hop context, if that's what you want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I disagree.

[El]

You disagree? Which part? That he should do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That there's a million places that'll ask him tough questions.

[Ish]

Oh, I disagree with that disagreement. In this current climate, I think that if he went anywhere after the year that he just had, people are gonna ask him hard questions.

[El]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Anybody with responsible journalism, at least.

[El]

Yeah. All right, well. And there's enough of those. You added that part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, because he's not gonna go sit down with the people. I think that he can't control a.

[El]

Narrative, and that's what I don't like. That's what I'm Saying, I just don't like that. And again, it's not particular to Drake, although Drake is a big example of it because he's such a star. But I don't like that in general, how it's changing out, because there's so many platforms, people pick and choose, and it makes it look like they're on a press run or it makes it look like they're on a media run, but they're ducking all the smoke.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's just where we are.

[El]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's literally where we are.

[Joe Budden]

And you know what? Let me not censor this so much around Drake. I'm kind of out of that celeb culture. Like, I think a lot of these people carry real dark energy. I'm not in talking to you because of who you are and what you've done. This is off a Drake now. This is period. I'm broadening this. I'm not with being around some of these people. Like, when you really get into how I feel about these things. I'd rather talk to y'. All. I'd rather talk to y'. All. I'd rather talk to myself then. I believe in all that.

[Queens Flip]

If you see a person's on the verge of healing, would you say if they did have dark energy, but they're trying to heal, would you change your mind on that and sit down with them?

[Joe Budden]

It wouldn't be just based on that. Like, I'm not in. I'm not trying to be nobody's psychiatrist either. I'm not trying to be nobody's therapist. If I talk to you and you seem cool and I would like to talk to you again, then cool it. Don't even say that. They gotta be in an interview.

[Queens Flip]

Gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

Polling people to interview, that's interesting that.

[El]

You say that and I believe you. But the last month, we've had probably more interviews than normal. And so there are a lot of people who would expect you to be about to say the opposite, that you're trying to get more into interviewing people. What's your thought process about when you wanna interview somebody and why?

[Joe Budden]

It's a lot. Okay. Some of it is them, some of it is y', all. Some of it. Some of it is what's going on up here. But everybody that has come to through here, I wanted to talk to. Everybody that's come through here, I'm a fan of. I would have talked to them if the mic wasn't here. I guess I'm speaking about the people that I wouldn't speak to off of a mic.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And on a mic. A couple of them niggas that DM me. I ain't open it. I'm we not when I'm not there. I'm not even seeing what you had to say.

[El]

I respect that.

[Joe Budden]

Way to go. Way to get us all clipped up from the topic that we're supposed to breeze through.

[El]

Try to stop it.

[Joe Budden]

Very way to go.

[Queens Flip]

You kept going.

[Joe Budden]

I might edit it out later.

[El]

He said no edits today. I'm sorry.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's true. You got a busy schedule today.

[El]

There's no time.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm gonna watch him and Bobby. I told y' all know I'm a fan of Bobby. Y' all know I'm a fan of a fan of Bobby. So I want to hear how it looks.

[Ish]

Fly, too.

[Joe Budden]

The little, little. I like the dry humor. I hope it does well. I hope I get some tea from it. But, yeah, nothing. Nothing really past that.

[Ish]

He saw you make the little offer to Bobby and came right back in.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Oh, this tea is hot. This tea might be too hot for me.

[Ish]

I mean, it's got the mugs.

[Joe Budden]

This is the comedian that was murdered, Reggie Carroll. Rest in peace to Reggie Carroll, comedian that was murdered by Cat Williams's bodyguard of the same last name, who is now in custody. Wow.

[Ish]

Oh, wow.

[El]

I didn't hear that story.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, this is new.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, y' all didn't hear that story?

[Queens Flip]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Reggie Carroll, comedian who has been on tour with Cat Williams and this might have been at a tour stop, was murdered on Cat Williams block. Some comedians are saying he was murdered in on Cat Williams's doorstep. I don't know those details, but these are things that's being said. The gentleman, I want to say his name is Tranel Williams, who police have in custody.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Worked on and off as Cat Williams bodyguard and may have worked that night as bodyguard on tour again, I don't know. Details are still coming in, but it's a hot story. Rest in peace to Reggie Carroll. Reggie Carroll, really loved comedian.

[Ish]

Yeah, there's not a lot of information here still.

[El]

Yeah, there's not much. It was in Mississippi. That's a scary story.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah. Bam.

[Joe Budden]

I got it.

[Ish]

Yep. Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I got it. I didn't mean to do that. Sorry, guys. You never heard of Joe, buddy. All right, what do we got? What do we got? While y' all think of it, I'm gonna give a Special announcement. I'm gonna make a special announcement to her. I was on Instagram and her was posting shout out to her. Shout out to her, looking as good as could be. And it triggered me.

[Ish]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Because she out here looking all good. I think she's trying to Frank Ocean us. I want to put her on the clock.

[Ish]

I think that she's been working.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying she has not been.

[Ish]

I've talked to some people have been in studios with her. I don't know if that there's a timeline on releasing any of this music.

[Joe Budden]

But when should it start to look like it? In October, Two years ago. In October it'll be five years, three years ago.

[Ish]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Like, time is flying. Life is long, but it's short. In October, it'll be five years for her.

[Ish]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

And I love her. I love the last album. I'm a huge fan. I go see her perform. She kills it. Like, as a fan. This shit is starting to get a little sickening when all the people that you love are just going on five and six year since. Herb, please. If you don't grab that harp and.

[Ish]

Get your ass and stand guitar and drums and everything. Grab all them shits.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oboe, violin.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Come on. I don't think it's fair. And she's looking amazing. She looks. But that's what pissed me off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That Cali son.

[Joe Budden]

That's what pissed me off. She looking so good that you just know she enjoying life, not thinking about us. Right fans, what we got to say? She want them artists that don't care. What fans got to say. Oh, I hate that shit.

[Ish]

Not to say that her last projects weren't, but I feel like she's gonna have like a masterpiece.

[El]

I think if you wait five years.

[Joe Budden]

And if you believe that and if we're of that belief, then you let the artist take their time, let them do what they do.

[El]

I think the best example of that for me is Erykah Badu. I'm often not frustrated, but I'm often excited for the next project. And I'm often like two years, three years, four years. And it's always amazing. Everything feels like it was worth the wait. Even the mixtape, it was worth the wait. So I think her is of that kind of mindset where it's not gonna be five years and you come up with some. Because that's when I get really pissed. When I wait four or five years and then it's. Then I. Then I jump off the bandwagon.

[Ish]

She's Way too good and affiliated with way too many talented people for some wax shit to come out of this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like Chris Brown on there or some collabs that she's a monster. Yo, she's amazing, by the way.

[El]

Shout out. Can we shout out Russell Westbrook, too?

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[El]

I don't know if y' all saw. He and his wife renewed their vows.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[El]

After 20 years.

[Ish]

He's been married 20 years.

[El]

It was 2015. I think it was 20. I could be wrong about that.

[Ish]

Did he get married right out of.

[El]

High school or some shit? They met in college. Oh. So maybe it's not. Let me check the years. But they renewed their vows, which I think is amazing for a couple reasons. One, most celebrities don't. Marriages don't last that long, particularly athletes. You know what I mean? They went to Italy, they had a beautiful. Let me see how many years it was. But it was. It was a beautiful wedding. But also, just shout out to them for renewing the vows. And that was a question I have for y' all in terms of relationships. Like, is that something that y' all would think about? Flippy, I mean, you're actually a perfect person to ask because you've been married the longest. You've been married the longest. Is renewing a vow something you believe in or will want to do?

[Queens Flip]

I would want to do it. I don't necessarily believe in it, but I would want to do it if it makes my wife happy.

[Joe Budden]

What about, like, living out your vows?

[El]

Yeah, you did it.

[Ish]

You didn't have to renew them. Like, you could renew them better fit your lifestyle.

[El]

You could just knew them.

[Queens Flip]

What about.

[Joe Budden]

What about.

[El]

Just.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think about. I'm not talking about you.

[Queens Flip]

The last person that did.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about you.

[El]

Ten years.

[Joe Budden]

You can't.

[Queens Flip]

I'm not talking about you last person. Are we talking about my family?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about you. I'm never.

[Ish]

Never.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking.

[El]

Calm down.

[Ish]

And not. Not in a negative way, at least. We love your family.

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking you to tell the audience. What do you think about people just sticking to their vows?

[Queens Flip]

I agree with sticking to your von. I think that's important to a healthy relationship. But I do think that sometimes we may fall up. Hold on a. Sucking his teeth. I think sometimes we fall and bump our heads. But when you fall above your head, if your significant other is there to tend to your wound, then you know you're good.

[Joe Budden]

Mark.

[Ish]

This is why I wouldn't usually. The renewal of the bowels I don't know why that was giving me difficulty there.

[El]

You little nervous there?

[Ish]

Yeah, it was. Comes after someone does something horrible. Usually someone gets caught cheating or the marriage is on the rocks so they renew the vows to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't believe unless it's a. He's right though.

[Joe Budden]

How does that make sense?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because now we gonna go back to the drawing board, right?

[El]

Let's start over. Let's get this first start.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything is a clean slate.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh man, I'm about to sound horrible. Does it is a payment come with that or something?

[Ish]

A new ring maybe?

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying if somebody did something wrong to their partner, how do you bounce back with the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because you're recommitting almost like a fresh new.

[Joe Budden]

But how would you be getting the person that you just did wrong to agree to recommit after you did something?

[El]

It's usually after the healing period. And by the way, Russell Westbrook, we're not saying that's you. Yeah, no, we know and it's for all accounts he's that one. He's a great family man. It's been 10 years for their anniversary. Is a 10 year anniversary.

[Ish]

Congratulations.

[El]

A lot of times though, it's like. In other cases it's like we fell apart. I got you back. I'm on the right track. We happy again. You know baby, let's, let's. Let's do something clean slate after you've healed. Not like I got caught cheating. Let me make it up to you. You make it up with the ring.

[Ish]

Well, some people do that too, but.

[El]

They do that don't usually work out well.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that happens.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Unless it's a time thing. In the Russell Wilson, Russell Westbrook case. 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, 50 years marks a milestone in which people start to renew their vows and have a little ceremony.

[Ish]

Sometimes I tell you why I wouldn't. But when it's the eighth year, it's for the party.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

11Th year on the 13th year, that's.

[El]

A red flag, baby.

[Joe Budden]

I fucked up.

[El]

Take me back. Somebody fucked up, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Take me back.

[Queens Flip]

You gotta get your lady back. What judge went to get his lady.

[El]

Back For Judge Mathis.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, Judge Mathis, man. He waited a long time. His wife left him. Right.

[El]

Left him. Left him. Yeah, yeah. And he, he fought to get her back. He did come back.

[Joe Budden]

Would you do it, Mark? I'm not talking about after the wrongdoing.

[El]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

I mean just doing it.

[El]

Absolutely.

[Queens Flip]

He's in love. Mark is in love.

[El]

I think it's also. It depends on what Your situation was like when you got married.

[Queens Flip]

True.

[El]

So if you had a huge blowout ceremony and you may not want to do that, or you may do a small renewal. Right. Other people, the opposite. If you had like a small first thing now, you might want to bring all your friends and family together in year 10 or 20 or whatever to celebrate it with the big festivities that you didn't do before. So for me, it would be one of those situations.

[Joe Budden]

Who came up with this? A woman probably.

[El]

I can't imagine some dude was like, let me do this again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Although I would say, which one? Which one? The baby come back A man came up with.

[El]

Yes. But the how she came up with.

[Ish]

I will say that the idea of throwing another big ass party with my wife does sound kind of lit. So I do see how even though we did have a big wedding, I would do it again. Just have another big fucking party.

[Joe Budden]

Spend another two party guy. Yeah.

[Ish]

Another 200 something if need be, if life goes well.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Life is welling for you, sir.

[Ish]

Life's going pretty well. 200 pro parties a lot, though.

[El]

Yeah, 200 parties are unimaginable to me. I don't like parties that much though. But like, that sounds crazy to me.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool with the old valves, yo. Open up the junk drawer in the kitchen. Get the old valves. Hey, let's read them together over marshmallows.

[El]

Yo.

[Queens Flip]

I got a question for you. I see that since you joined the podcast, you tried to not try, but you mend a lot of relationships or make a lot of things clear. Because when I was going down the rabbit hole, I said before you was on here, you would comment on people and say how you feel. But since you came on here, you would sort of like mend a relationship or say, you know, I really didn't mean it like that. Or at this time, this is where I was at. I kind of. I do respect the fact that you put the job first, you know, I mean, for the sake of the business. But I do want to ask you, how hard is it for you to do that? Right? How hard is it?

[El]

Like, give me an example.

[Queens Flip]

Listen. Well, like let's say, well, I just saw like academics speak about you recently, right? With Vlad. Him and Vlad was speaking about you. And I remember you.

[El]

Oh, I didn't, I didn't watch it, but I saw the headline.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I remember.

[El]

Challenged me and Joe to, To a debate or something.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, some shit like that. But that's not the point. The point is it's been a couple of relationships that's the only one I could think of offhand. But that you mend. Right, but how hard is it to do that? Like, is it for the work? Or do you generally feel that, yo, hey, at that time, I didn't mean to say that. Or it wasn't that serious. Or does the job make you rethink your attacks on people?

[El]

Never attacks, but I get your point. Yeah. Thank you. Criticisms, Criticism upon me, it's both, you know, I think you have to always account for the size of the platform you're on and the impact of certain things. So my job as a scholar, my job as a social critic, my job as it used to be, as a journalist, as a music journalist, all these things were to criticize. But different platforms require different kinds of criticism. Like, this is one of the biggest platforms in the world. And so the type of criticism I'm going to give here is different than the type of criticism I could give on a platform that if I give it that day, it's over that day. You get what I'm saying? There was a time when I could say something on a radio or tv and it's ephemeral, it passes. But now if I come up here and say something huge, then it lingers, you know? And so I try to be responsible because I don't want this to be a place. I mean, I'm listening to Joe talk about his dynamic with Charlamagne, right? I mean, that was a responsible response. Whatever, you know, is like. Because otherwise it could turn into something big and serious when it's not, you know? And so that's sort of how I think about things, you know what I mean? And so in the case of academics, I don't have a beef with academics, right? So even if he says something critical about me or personal about me, for me to come out here now and respond, if I felt a way, I would be honest about it, but I don't feel away. So for me to. Even so, I don't want to feed into something that an outsider might put gasoline on it. And it becomes a big deal when it doesn't. And then it's just two black men fighting over something, you know what I mean? Or me and Vlad. Why the fuck I wanna fight with Vlad? I don't wanna beef with Vlad. You know, I have criticisms of his. I have criticisms of the way he does journalism. That's, I guess, my job. He made criticisms of me, that's fine. But it's not personal. So I don't wanna use this platform as a space for that. And then the other piece of it, which I'm learning from y', all, is sometimes. And I'm not talking about Vlad and academics. I'm talking about people who aren't of that stature. Sometimes, like, you give people life by being up here. You know, there'll be somebody who's not of a big stature who will talk shit, and then you're punching down. And then as you're punching down, you give people space that they don't need. You know what I mean? So some people I wouldn't even mention because of that. You know, that's. I see it.

[Ish]

Very mature podcast. Rob Markman would be proud.

[El]

He would.

[Joe Budden]

Rob is too damn mature. Like, God damn, He needs a little meanness. You know what's funny? That's why I gotta stay immature.

[Queens Flip]

You're not immature, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I have to. I can't even.

[Queens Flip]

You gotta try. Like, you reach for the immature.

[El]

I have to.

[Queens Flip]

You're not immature anymore because it's too.

[Joe Budden]

Many people that are doing the right thing out there.

[Queens Flip]

Isn't that what you want to.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that's gonna make. That's gonna make the content space just a blah. That's gonna make the content space just boring and whack and, like, who's left to do it if everybody just grows up? I got. I gotta be the last man standing there.

[Queens Flip]

You're not even. I don't see you saying the same things.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Queens Flip]

And it's like, you. You mature.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm up to us. I don't care.

[Queens Flip]

Not on that. Even when I try to go on my immature range, you try to mature me.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have nobody to even do it with. Right? Like, even this Charlemagne shit, it's old already. It's nothing. There's no. All that's left is people trying to make it a thing.

[El]

Right?

[Queens Flip]

Oh. Oh, I see. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

There's nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing to this.

[Queens Flip]

But do you feel like.

[El]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Do you feel like he slided you in any way? Meaning, like.

[Joe Budden]

Because I feel like he can't.

[Queens Flip]

No, because I remember something. I remember you saying that. Yo, the issue with me in general.

[Joe Budden]

See, that sounds spicy. That's not what I'm trying to say. Let me clear this up for Mark. I'm not trying to be spicy. What I'm trying to say is at the root of our most recent beef, I thought that him and some of his minions were saying things that could affect my value and negotiating power today. I don't feel like that. And that echo chamber Is silent. Okay. Today I don't feel like anything said by anybody out there could have an effect on what I'm trying to do.

[El]

Let's see.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't trying to be funny.

[Queens Flip]

He said that you and him are friends. Was friends. He was just saying that the only thing that he stated that might have offended you was that some of the spaces that you in, I think you didn't belong in or you wasn't comfortable in some of the spaces. Something I forgot. It's on the. He said something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Like water under the bridge. And. And it matters none for me. His opinion of me is just that it's his opinion of me. He's entitled to that. I don't have any. I. I'm gonna pick. When I start the beefs with people, it ain't over this just frivolous nothingness. Like, it's over this. It's 20, 25 now.

[Queens Flip]

But you prove naysayers wrong. You proved them wrong single handed, regardless of what anybody say about you. You. You built this from the ground up and proved everybody wrong. So what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's part of.

[Joe Budden]

People have to double back, which is why. No, they don't. Nobody has to double back anyway.

[Queens Flip]

You don't believe in double the back.

[Joe Budden]

If. If my goal is to get from A to Z and in between that is somebody just throwing on the road in the highway. Okay? That's my job to get past that. Not stop and cry about, oh, woe is me. They doing me so wrong. I'm off all that. You pieced it up with Vlad? I pieced it up. I don't have a beef with anybody anywhere.

[Ish]

Speaking of people you used to have beef with, do we care that Will Smith was using AI generated crowds in his. His videos?

[Joe Budden]

And I never had a beef with.

[Ish]

No, you didn't like when he first got on Instagram at all?

[Joe Budden]

No, I just called something ahead of time, like I usually do. I called that ahead of time. Hey, this is a problem. This is before the strike in Hollywood. This is before. Hey, Will Smith being over here is a little funny. We should take a look at this. I didn't have a beef with him, but anyway, do what you like.

[Ish]

Yeah, he put out a video of a tour video of his latest and the people's faces were melting and in the crowd, like AI videos. Do you know what I mean? Like in the background at first it looks good, but then if you take a look at the side, there's a dude with four eyes and they're holding up signs.

[El]

How Common. Is that, is that like the new, is that a new trend?

[Joe Budden]

I think it's common.

[Ish]

It's common. And I also read somewhere that there's people complaining on YouTube, specifically where they're inserting AI shit in there. And I think that may be a scapegoat that they use for this at some point, although they haven't made a comment as of now. But they're inserting AI tactics into people's YouTubes without permission, essentially.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

So that can get kind of complicated and weird because I didn't want that in my video.

[El]

I, I hope it stops, especially for Will. I'm waiting for Will's music run to end right now. And I actually don't think I re listened to the album. And after listening to it again, like, you know what I mean? It's still really bad to me. But I did hear some remixes of it. Like, they, they did that freestyle everybody was calling. They did over the Griselda beat.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[El]

And it was actually a million times better. So it makes me think about how the album could sound. You know what I mean? A little bit of remix. But I'm kind of waiting for this phase to end. And I want Will to get back to acting. Yeah. Because I think that's where he can recover some of his career. I was reading. Well, actually, no, I wasn't reading. Someone told me offline, sort of how much potential money Will has lost post Chris Rock, you know, from the white audiences, you know, who don't want to come out anymore. People who just feel away. Just people being able to short them now just because they can say, you're curating is down and things like that. That, that is one of those mistakes.

[Joe Budden]

I thought you was about to give me the number.

[El]

Yeah, they gave me a number.

[Joe Budden]

But I, I, I, you can't.

[El]

I, I can't. But is it high?

[Ish]

It's significant.

[El]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

200.

[El]

Way higher. Way higher than 200.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And how long ago did they smack him?

[Joe Budden]

Two years. Two years?

[Ish]

Five. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not five. Somewhere not five. It wasn't that long ago. It was because we've been only on the pod for four. He smacked him when we were.

[El]

It was like 2022.

[Ish]

2022.

[El]

Yeah. Yeah. So three. I mean, three and a half years. Yeah, I mean, I didn't, I didn't.

[Ish]

Think that that would have affected him that much.

[El]

What? I wouldn't think.

[Joe Budden]

I love this podcast.

[Ish]

I never thought that was that seriously.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It would affect my serious.

[Joe Budden]

If you smash Mack, the host of the Oscars at the Oscars Parks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't think it would be $100 million a year.

[Ish]

That part. I thought his celebrity power would be able to wash this over.

[El]

His celebrity power is why he's even in the game. If, if he's a B list. He's not even in the game.

[Ish]

If he would have smacked like I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Disagree, someone older or something like that.

[Ish]

I could see that being a bigger.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think Will hasn't put out any slaps.

[El]

That was the last point, movie wise.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I think that's it. I think if his last couple projects would have really, really resonated with the people, then we would have overlooked that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Jackson thing again. You can't just almost kill people and you can't just at any Oscars go to the.

[El]

What the fuck would we say?

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Putting that message out there. That's not a good message. You can't do that nowhere and it's cool.

[Ish]

I'm not saying that it was.

[Joe Budden]

I just didn't think it would be cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm telling you that people don't give a fuck about what's going on in social climates. You think they give a fuck about Will Smith smacking Chris Rock? If Will Smith would have came out with two or three back to back good ass movies, we wouldn't even know.

[Queens Flip]

He had the richest movie that did good.

[El]

He won the Oscar. Yeah, that's actually the Oscar he was getting the night he slapped him. But I think part of the problem is part of what makes a movie. It's not just the script, it's not just the reviews, it's who goes into the theater. And the problem is people stopped wanting to go into the theater after they saw Will differently. Will was in rarefied air as an A list black actor. He's one of those people who transcended race to people. He's one of those people who everybody wanted to have a cup of coffee with. Everybody thought he was the nicest guy ever. The one you want.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[El]

All that changed when he got up out that seat, walked up, slapped Chris Rock with full motion and sat back down like it didn't just happen. Like that shit changed the game forever. And I don't think he can ever be seen, seen exactly the same way again.

[Joe Budden]

I believe, and I'm saying that shouldn't have been surprising to nobody. That's all I'm saying. And it's almost like I'm saying something wrong. I don't know. He shouldn't be surprised that his Q rating has changed.

[El]

I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I think he just wants to figure out how to get it back, you know? Or he said, fuck it. And with the music, the music could be a way of conceding, like, look, this space ain't gonna be what it was anymore. I need to start venturing into other areas. I don't know. I'm not in Will Smith's head, and I don't wanna guess for him, but I can tell you shit is different. And I don't know if it's ever recovered.

[Queens Flip]

Do you think that if Chris Rock and him get together, would that change people's view on it?

[El]

I think in America, anything is possible. I think you can recover, you can redeem yourself, you can become whatever. I don't know if that's the thing that would do it, per se, but something can happen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's only had two movies since. Yeah, but one of them was a flop. Anticipation wasn't a good movie. I watched it. It wasn't a good movie. I mean, Emancipation, Pardon Me, wasn't a good movie. And then Bad Boys Ride or Die did decent numbers. Yeah, really good numbers, in fact.

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I don't see. I think that if he continues to put out quality product now, there may be a hold on him putting out product as a result of him smacking somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I think any other entertainer when your product is. Y' all say it every day. If Drake puts out smack slaps, we gonna forget all of this.

[Joe Budden]

Drake can make a smack in his basement. Will Smith cannot make a movie in his basement. So it's not only fans, not going to theaters, it's the elite of Hollywood.

[Ish]

Not inviting him to the right, not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pitching him for the movie.

[El]

That's what he's not getting the role.

[Joe Budden]

Off the board, off the. The Oscar. We're wiping your existence. You're done here. You're done here.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So where is he getting this movie?

[El]

Unless he's doing, like, indies. Right, but then you're not getting the money now. You're not commanding 50 million. 69.

[Joe Budden]

The indie movie is not gonna have 350,000. 350 million in marketing.

[El]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

It's over.

[El]

And he's never gonna win an Oscar again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bad Boys numbers went crazy, so we'll see.

[El]

But that's a different tier of movie, though.

[Joe Budden]

Bad Boys was done and in the pan, in the can, and he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He revived it because the last Bad Boys prior to this one was trash. And we didn't think that was gonna go out and see this. Bad Boys and it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, at this point, I don't even know what I'm defending anymore. I don't know what I'm defending. All right. Shout out to Will Smith.

[El]

Shout out to Will Smith.

[Joe Budden]

I hope power.

[Queens Flip]

Like, what if you're saying it's over, but he's saying it is a possibility that it's not over?

[El]

I think we all agree anything is possible. All I'm saying is that this took a huge toll in ways that I think should have been foreseeable. And I think where this conversation took a little bit of a left was because some of us didn't seem a bit surprised by it. But either way, I hope he. I hope it works out for him. I hope.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, man, you gotta double down in it now. Go smack Tony Rock. You gotta just go find all the rock.

[Ish]

The rock.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. Not be doing slack, yo. You gotta just do it now. Do it on Patreon. Just find the rock and say, you know what, Bow? Hey, you gotta go to Indy route now, dog. There's only a few things that can fix this. Holy shit. Shout out to Will Smith, man.

[Ish]

Shout out to Will.

[Joe Budden]

I was supposed to talk to Will when his album came out, but then he didn't come up here. And then I heard the album, so it was like.

[Ish]

He did a lot of interviews, too.

[El]

He did a lot.

[Ish]

He did a lot.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of people cancel on me.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't take it personal. Yeah. Look at you. You perk up when it's time for some.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, I just want to know, like.

[Joe Budden]

You know, put your little medicine back on.

[El]

Oh, what happened to you?

[Joe Budden]

I can't see.

[Ish]

Maybe you shut your in the door.

[Queens Flip]

Nah.

[El]

You okay? What happened?

[Joe Budden]

Nothing. So the iPhone fold is dropping soon. Have we seen it? Distinguished panel.

[Ish]

I've seen some of the little mock ups. I don't know what to believe. It's real or not.

[Joe Budden]

Is it innovation or with the passing of Steve Jobs, is Apple just late to the party that they're.

[Ish]

I don't feel like it's right that we break down Apple. Shit without Ice here, man.

[El]

Feels wrong, but Ice is on vacation, living his best life right now. Posting pics on Instagram and shit, man.

[Queens Flip]

IPhone fold.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he cooked that. He kicked a Jamaican nigga off the raft. It was somebody missing from the raft. Freeze.

[Queens Flip]

He stood on that, too.

[Joe Budden]

They'd be giving you the option, yo, you. How you want this rap to go? It could be your. Your whiz and homeboy. You could get on here with homeboy. Or it could just be you and your wiz. He took the him and his wiz route.

[Ish]

How far you think he got down the river?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

How far you think he got down the river or the pond or whatever he was in? I just don't picture him as the best rower. The photo is awesome.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That shit might be the size of a swimming pool pool.

[Joe Budden]

Take these pictures.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You get to fuck them off.

[Joe Budden]

Here, I got a question for you all about marriage, actually. Okay, well, maybe not about marriage, but let's see how it goes. Do y' all believe that I have some room full of dudes? Of course you don't believe this. Do y' all believe that if you meet someone one way, then you shouldn't be able to complain about them being that way closer to marriage?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ish]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

Umarg. Trying to find a way to side with girls?

[El]

No, I don't. I don't even know what the dude side is to this.

[Joe Budden]

My side with girls meter is short circuit. What side did the girls take?

[El]

I don't understand. I was trying to understand the question. Yeah, me too.

[Joe Budden]

You know how women always say, you're not being consistent? I met you one way. Don't start being this way. You know, I started doing that. How the conversation came up for me was I got in trouble.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know if that's a girl thing either.

[Joe Budden]

Well, in my example and. And what I'm about to say is a girl thing. Yeah, I got in trouble a little bit. It's lightweight trouble. Me and my baby's good, but I guess to her, I've been making more comments about how she dresses.

[Ish]

Why would you do that?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even know I was doing that.

[Ish]

Repeat after me.

[Joe Budden]

Actually, that's not true.

[Ish]

Repeat after me. You look great, baby.

[El]

That's it.

[Ish]

That's it. I think you look amazing.

[El]

See, your face that you make right now is just as dumb as they would look with that Will Smith shit. There's only one answer, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I received that. I don't know if I agree yet, but I'll tell you where I up. I'll tell you how we were debating over what. What the word revealing means. Oh, Lord. And I guess I have a different definition of it than she has. So we started pulling up pictures and outfits and going over it just so we could be gauged, so we could gauge the same way. But in her argument, it wasn't an argument, but the argument that she was making. In her case, she was like, no, I just think that as of late, you've been a little more vocal on.

[Ish]

The outfit, I thought she was gonna say, you've been wearing a little less lately.

[El]

You've been wearing less than going out more.

[Joe Budden]

So that I shot back with, I don't know if that's specific to me or if men closer to marriage start to say things that they didn't originally say. Like, okay, I met you dressing one way. I love that shit. She knows I love that. But closer to marriage, if I say something I don't know, I think that men do that.

[Ish]

You're saying you're now critical of her wearing things that she used to get off.

[Joe Budden]

And again, let me be clear. I'm not saying that because I had to make this clear when we had to talk. I'm not saying she can't dress. I'm not saying that she dresses bad. I'm not saying she doesn't know how to dress for the occasion. Wherever we're going, me and my baby step, we only were having to talk about what revealing means. And men saying it now more so than they did when you first met.

[El]

Do you feel differently now or are you just more comfortable saying it now?

[Ish]

Great question.

[Joe Budden]

That's a good question.

[Ish]

That's an amazing question.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good question.

[Joe Budden]

Because my feelings don't change. Listen me, I'm from the depths of hell. I'm into all of that. I'm into shit. She know I don't have a problem with what she's wearing. Right. That don't exist. Okay, so I guess it's confusing for when I say, yeah, I understand. I understand her confusion now.

[El]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

You've helped me to understand her confusion. What?

[Ish]

Oh, I was just wondering if the amount of revealing that's happening is uncomfortable because it's a place that you're not.

[Queens Flip]

He's about to get mad.

[El]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

But see, that's the thing. And that's where I think.

[El]

Wait, let me.

[Joe Budden]

That's where I feel like she shouldn't be confused. I'm not saying I'm uncomfortable comfortable with it. And I'm not saying that she should change anything.

[El]

So why are you coming?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying that's contradictory because we wouldn't even be having a conversation if you didn't feel a certain way.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not true. That's not true what you're saying.

[El]

Why?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How is it a conversation if.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Feel a certain way. Whoa. Let me. Let's be clear. Feel a certain way, yes. Uncomfortable, no. The feeling is not one of uncomfort.

[El]

What are you feeling.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If it wasn't a feeling of discomfort, there wouldn't be a conversation.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like if we get. We getting closer to marriage. Put them. Strap it up. Strap them shits up.

[Queens Flip]

That's how you feel.

[Joe Budden]

And let's keep it pushing.

[Ish]

You want her to go Amish now?

[Queens Flip]

Well, no, no.

[El]

That's what she said. I thought he wanted to get pegged.

[Queens Flip]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up, Mark.

[El]

Strap it up.

[Queens Flip]

No, but, but how you dress before we got married or before we were engaged and how you. And before and how you should dress now should be a difference. It should be a difference in how you dress. I agree. Not saying that. He's saying that, but I, I, I would say that.

[Joe Budden]

See, her and I had a lightweighted, funny conversation. I just thought it was a good conversation.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, that is, I can't. You wouldn't feel away. Salute to you. I respect.

[El]

I wouldn't feel away either.

[Queens Flip]

You wouldn't feel away. Salute to you. I would. What I could say if you have your. If you had your ass out or you walked outside in anything. That was super revealing. Revealing. When I first got with you.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Queens Flip]

Now that we're married or we. I feel like you should present yourself a certain way. You're a married woman. Even if you was engaging me. You should present yourself a certain way.

[Ish]

I think that's okay, by the way. I think that's okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think I could see.

[Ish]

What I could see is the fact that you're doing so amazing now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Let's go out and spend some.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My joke. It's an evolution that comes along with getting older.

[Joe Budden]

That's how it came up. I'm sorry. That's how it came.

[El]

That I get.

[Joe Budden]

Not by me bringing it up, but we shop so much, though. I'm looking at outfit and everything I pick out, she think is on some covered Amish shit. And she's like, yo, what's going on? You trying to change me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, so that's how it happens. So let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

That's how it happens.

[Queens Flip]

But that wouldn't be wrong, though.

[El]

See, I think it. Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's an uncomfortable conversation for me. Because you're talking about your girl.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you don't have to talk about my girl. You can just talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think along with evolution, I think where you are financially, I think where you are growing your business and your brand, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[Joe Budden]

We said that too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There are evolutionary steps that Come along with that. And so I think it's nothing wrong with changing. Like we look at change like it's a negative thing. And it may not be a negative thing. It just might be more mature evolutionary growth. The way you used to dress, you don't dress today.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So it wouldn't be anything, in my opinion, different with. As we grow, we're in different rooms, we're meeting different people. So what I might used to wear eight years ago is. Might not be how I show up today.

[Ish]

Or just I have a lot of money now. We don't have to do the. Like women will buy some shit just because they could have a thousand million shits in their wardrobe. Maybe now that you have enough money to get whatever you want. Like you shouldn't be stepping in anything that isn't high fashion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's saying they go shopping a lot.

[El]

That makes sense.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Types of clothes he's saying he's looking at is different than the type. Not the cost. It's just the type of clothing that he's looking at is different.

[El]

I see that.

[Queens Flip]

Because you said you didn't agree.

[El]

So over time you change the rooms you're in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's nothing wrong.

[El]

Opportunities you have, the money you have or just age, right?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, of course.

[El]

Like what you wear at 21, you don't wear a 41.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[El]

I get all of that. I'm just saying. I wouldn't say just because you're now married to me, you have to wear. I don't think the married woman means wardrobe changes. That's all I'm saying. Because if you're my girlfriend, my fiance, whatever will make me want you to be a certain way then or in marriage, I want you to be that then.

[Queens Flip]

I don't agree. I think that we find a kinder way to say something. I feel like there's. If you dress a certain way or you move a certain way in certain rooms or wherever we go and then now that we're closer, we're married. I'm bringing you like you, you. I feel like presentation is important. It is as my wife that is important. I feel like whatever we did before is cool, but now that we're here, I feel like. And she would want the same thing for me. You know what I mean?

[El]

What do you wear different now than you did when y' all were just boyfriend girlfriend.

[Queens Flip]

Say it again. I'm sorry.

[El]

So what do you wear different now than when you were boyfriend and girlfriend? Like you wore a sweatsuit to invest festival. What would you have Worn to invest fest 20 years ago.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but. And if she was a. And I will do that again. That's one too. If she was around me, she wouldn't want me to wear that. Right? If I'm like, she would tell me that's just a stubborn thing that I do. But she would tell me like, nigga, I wouldn't want you outside like that. You shouldn't go outside doing. Wearing that. Or you should present yourself well and especially as my husband.

[El]

But is that because you're married or just cause you're 40? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

[Queens Flip]

But I'm saying no, I'm not 40.

[El]

Whatever. I'm not clowning. What I'm saying, like, is it because we're mature adults now or is it because you're married? That's what I'm saying. I agree with.

[Queens Flip]

I can speak from being married because I can speak.

[El]

Why should Flip wear a suit to investors because he's married to me? It's because he's 38. If the suit is what you want to wear.

[Queens Flip]

I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But what she would say because he's 38 and it's his married partner's person job to say that.

[Queens Flip]

That's what I'm saying.

[El]

Nobody else's girlfriend. She should say that.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[El]

I'm saying being married, you've been in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A relationship with your girlfriend eight years, right? And the eight years, I think that that ninth year y' all married, it don't change how. Let me finish. Your representation point matters. I'm agreeing with Flip's representation point. But I think whether we jump over the broom or not, then representation is the same. You represent me as my girlfriend the same way you represent me as my wife.

[Queens Flip]

What we missing out here? I'm sorry, but so let me clear it up. What we missing is the. The longevity of the relationship. That's what I'm saying. So I guess being together, maturing together.

[El]

That's what I'm saying. Okay, I got it. I can see today we're just not putting a magic.

[Queens Flip]

I still, I still would want. I still would want. If we become closer, I still. It's not Amish. I stay with 100. It's a certain way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your eight year girlfriend, you're seven years.

[Queens Flip]

Everybody, families and traditions and values are different. I want to bring like if. If my wife wears short skirt here and I know I'm going to somewhere, a party. I wouldn't want. If I'm going to a certain party, like my great aunt or something. Like that.

[Ish]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Queens Flip]

I would be like, yo, you know what I mean? Like.

[El]

But I wouldn't want my girlfriend to do that.

[Queens Flip]

I get what you're saying.

[El]

That's all I'm saying.

[Queens Flip]

I got it. I got it.

[El]

It's actually worse if it's.

[Ish]

Your girlfriend said, it looks like you hired someone.

[El]

Plus, that man and my wife.

[Queens Flip]

I got you.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't want this hussy, first of all.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[El]

And you know, people, don't they stay with them?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think that. Yeah, it's the same. I think that when you cross over the broom immediately, it's just not just snap.

[Ish]

Right now, things are different.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

To the other point, Joe was making or asking about how comfortable are you telling your significant other you don't like an outfit. Forget about appropriateness. Just like, I don't think it looks good or whatever. And if you. And how do you deliver it?

[Ish]

It's tricky. It's tricky. It's tricky sometimes.

[El]

Or do you just. Y' all do shut the up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, I don't shut up. I'll make a suggestion. Like, my girl comes to me, but I think me and my girl got kind of decent communication. So my girl say, yo, you like this? And I don't like it. I'll be like, how about your xyz? I think your XYZ might look better.

[El]

So you don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It gotta be egregious for me to.

[Queens Flip]

Be like, yeah, I think it depends on the relationship. I think it depends.

[El]

Hey, bitch.

[Queens Flip]

It depends on the relationship. My wife is very vocal, and I feel like I'm going to be vocal with her as well.

[El]

So she throws on a dress, you just think the dress is ugly. What do you say?

[Queens Flip]

I'm not going to say it like that. I'm going to find a better way to say it because I don't want to, you know, dirt her feelings.

[Ish]

Yeah, you got to start getting your fashion review bag. Yeah, you got to get in your fashion review. The way they pleaded it here is.

[Queens Flip]

But it's.

[Joe Budden]

Every relationship has the person that the relationship acknowledges dresses better. Yeah. Am I off? Am I off in that?

[El]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Which person are y' all in the relationship?

[Ish]

Oh, my wife dresses better than I dress.

[Queens Flip]

Same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Same, same. If I. If I dress better than her, she help me.

[El]

Right. Which then also lowers your ability to be like.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

[El]

You like? Nah, that ain't it. You can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[El]

Or you feel like you can't say that.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[El]

Do your partners respond well, when you do say you don't like something?

[Ish]

It depends.

[Queens Flip]

It depends if they.

[Ish]

If they also were feeling that way, they will applaud me.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

If she really liked the thing and I had a criticism of it, I am in the doghouse.

[El]

Yep.

[Queens Flip]

So, I mean, that's. I mean, relationships teach you that, right? Being in relationship, it teach you how to approach. Approach a situation more kind, you know? Kind. I say some shit regular to friends or family members, but I wouldn't want to hurt my wife.

[El]

Yeah. If I walked in, right. They'd be like, what the fuck you got on?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[El]

But your wife can be.

[Queens Flip]

We men, yo.

[Joe Budden]

We men.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We grew up sitting at a lunch table cracking on each other for fucking 45 minutes.

[Queens Flip]

It's a different ball game.

[El]

And it gets.

[Queens Flip]

And it gets a little confusing because they will want you to be honest or tell you, no, they don't be honest, but they don't really want that. They don't really want you to be honest.

[El]

I hope they don't be honest.

[Ish]

Although they also don't want you to let them go outside looking crazy. It's a fine. It's a very fine.

[El]

Because it's your fault either way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

For sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You let me walk outside looking like this, right?

[Joe Budden]

You got it. Yep. Y' all care that Bow Wow took a blunt out some dude's mouth and put it in his mouth? Huh?

[Queens Flip]

I saw the video.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Isn't that what smoke? Oh, he.

[El]

I really didn't say that. One more time.

[Joe Budden]

I said, did y' all keep. Do y' all care about the video of Bow Wow taking a blunt out of a guy's mouth while he was smoking and putting. Put it in his mouth.

[Ish]

Was he his friend?

[El]

Did he know the guy?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[El]

It makes a difference.

[Ish]

It does make a little bit of difference.

[El]

I would never do it either way.

[Joe Budden]

No, it doesn't. We talking about the action of.

[Ish]

Oh, he, like, physically. Oh, I thought you meant, like, originally.

[Joe Budden]

Took it out of a man's mouth.

[Ish]

Oh, that's weird.

[Joe Budden]

During a video and put it in his mouth.

[Ish]

That's odd.

[Joe Budden]

No matter if they're friends.

[El]

I happen to believe in progressive masculinity.

[Ish]

Nah, As a smoker, that would have.

[El]

I'm just saying. And I still would never do that. Yeah. I could not imagine pulling a blunt out of somebody.

[Ish]

I was so tired. That concert, man, they took my weed on the way in, man.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[El]

At a concert in Puerto Rico, they.

[Ish]

Were very strict at the door Which I appreciate as a concert girl. Like, make this a safe place. But they could have put, like, a sign out or something, like, take the.

[El]

Guns in the face.

[Ish]

I would have hid that shit somewhere.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to say, why you ain't just stash that?

[Queens Flip]

I would have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ish]

I got to the front of the line, and he's like, empty your pockets. I'm like, all right. He's like, you gotta throw that away. So I threw the thing away.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We're learning normal things really surprise you.

[Ish]

I'm just accustomed to New York life.

[Joe Budden]

Could you believe it? You could take your weed. They could have put a sign up.

[Ish]

He said, I have taken weed to every concert I've been to for the past however many years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They feel like money when they tap your pockets. You a have to pull them out.

[Ish]

I had in, like, a little case thing.

[Joe Budden]

Why you ain't just hit Bunny?

[Ish]

Who?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, I figured that was the pet name that you gave that Bunny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you ain't just hit Bun? I knew it was some joke. It took me a minute to catch it.

[Joe Budden]

Right over here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's funny, son.

[Joe Budden]

I remember.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you got stashed that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I didn't think about it. I didn't think about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I remember I was walking in the federal building with a knife. I was like, oh, that's pretty good. A good poker, too. I stashed that so good, man.

[Joe Budden]

It came out.

[Queens Flip]

You booped it.

[El]

This was back in the day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Came back and got my poker.

[El]

Oh, you put in the bushes.

[Joe Budden]

Did I?

[El]

Yeah. I thought you.

[Queens Flip]

I thought you was on some other boof that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Only you got to be on that, bro.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I know you old. So old. Know about that. Stop playing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's jail.

[Joe Budden]

The federal building.

[El]

I'm coming right back out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can just come retrieve my.

[Joe Budden]

The all access pass you gave Mandy was for the whole weekend or was for that day.

[Queens Flip]

For the whole weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you looked out for your jar.

[Queens Flip]

It's called family and friends joint that.

[Ish]

Be quick pro quo.

[Queens Flip]

You didn't have the family version out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I spoke.

[Queens Flip]

What you had the all access. What is it? All access on.

[Joe Budden]

It didn't.

[El]

Is that what you had?

[Queens Flip]

I had two of them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was two different color. Like the color batter.

[Ish]

Wait, so what color was yours?

[Queens Flip]

Mine were, like, red and some other color and ish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cream.

[Joe Budden]

Cream Matching the sweatsuit, matching the sweatshirt, but. So neither one of y'. All.

[Queens Flip]

My, too. What up?

[Ish]

Well, you brought it with you?

[El]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Pull it out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When I took my pant, my. I fell asleep at 8 o' clock last night, I was tired of. But so, you know, you just take your stuff out your pocket and put it right there. So this morning, I just put everything back in my pocket.

[Queens Flip]

Let me, you know, Junior, right down the block.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like, my was like this.

[Ish]

A little dark than this, and yours.

[El]

Was bright red, like, red flag red.

[Queens Flip]

No, my was like this mixed with these, too.

[Ish]

Oh, so there. There were levels to the past.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, there were levels. I don't know what level Flip had, so I'm not saying my level was higher than his. There was a friends and family line.

[Ish]

And then there was.

[Queens Flip]

I wasn't on no line.

[Joe Budden]

Are we breaking down the color of the wristbands that y' all have? Is that what's happening right now?

[Queens Flip]

Just talking to my man N. Just talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just checking I don't be competing.

[Joe Budden]

What was your favorite part? What was your favorite part of the panel?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Our panel?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

That point Dr. Brian made.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hadn't. All right, so throughout the duration, I hadn't had an opportunity to talk to them, like, everybody that was on the panel. So I ain't know how they was gonna receive me. You know what I'm saying? Them everybody was cool as shit. Like, everybody was cool as shit. Off stage, off mic, everybody was just cool as. They was welcoming. They was warm. Dr. Shine Brown was dope. You know, we had said some about her up here, so I know how that reception was going back. Yeah, it wasn't. None of that.

[Ish]

She didn't see the pot.

[El]

Did she acknowledge it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could tell she saw it, but it wasn't. It wasn't.

[El]

She wasn't tripping.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was just. Yeah, it was just like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was love. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think that was dope.

[Ish]

That's love.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Ish]

That's love. What was your favorite part of the panel?

[Joe Budden]

I just like watching my people get busy. For sure. I like watching my people get busy. I like seeing them in there. I like watching ish in his. Ish swag.

[Ish]

Like his ish element in the Sergio, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. I like. I like seeing all of that action.

[El]

He was really good. You were really good. You were really good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you, sir. You know what happens with this show? We don't really warm up for a minute because the show's so long.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So when you go anywhere else and you sit down, yo, this be damn near over before you get.

[Queens Flip]

Josephine's piece of.

[El]

Yo, what.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What the.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna start throwing at these.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Be okay when it come back. I pitched when I Was little be okay when it come back?

[Joe Budden]

Wait.

[Queens Flip]

Meaning warmer because the show was.

[El]

So.

[Joe Budden]

They were back and because Mark is such an. I don't know why he's laughing. I'm laughing, but I was laughing because that shouldn't be.

[Queens Flip]

You're supposed to come in here prepared.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that we could do an hour uncomfortable.

[Queens Flip]

Man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We barely even jump into our topics and we already in an hour and somebody else showed an hour and you're done. They like, oh, all right. So wrapping it up and you're like, huh? Like, oh, damn, that. That's fast.

[Joe Budden]

But it show conditions you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's because again, we don't really get busy until probably after hour one. Sometimes we might get into it, but.

[Ish]

It'S a topics by.

[Joe Budden]

By getting busy should be our best get busiest hour. So I know what you're trying to say.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like I just keep.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was 30 something minutes up there.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? So you ain't really get into. You can get your meat and potatoes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I think you would have if you had more time or you think you'd have talked it. Tuck that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I think the conversations would have been better. It was conversations based on finance and relationships and how they intertwined.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

That's y' all bag. That's your bag. That's your bag too, right there.

[El]

And it's.

[Joe Budden]

Was his.

[Ish]

That's one of your bags.

[Joe Budden]

That is one of your. All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying nothing.

[Joe Budden]

That's just bad. Okay.

[El]

I can tell you as a. As a viewer of the show for a long time, like you, when I watched it, those are the two of the things I like to hear you talk about the most that you were most entertaining and informative about was relationships and money. So I guess I can see how the intersection could work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

So money is third for me. It's relationships, then it's the money part. Flip. You know what you wearing Saturday to my birthday dinner?

[Queens Flip]

I didn't even think I was invited. No, I. I don't. I don't know what I'm wearing yet.

[Joe Budden]

Why wouldn't you be invited? You got the invite.

[Queens Flip]

I did, I did.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody got the invites invited. I got you, but you invited.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Because you got the Android I put in the group chat. Everybody dubbed it, so I was like, I wonder if these. Want me to send it individually to them?

[Ish]

Nah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, yo, when certain things hit that group chat, they'll scroll. Right.

[El]

You know why because you said it while we were on the set.

[Ish]

You did.

[Joe Budden]

Because I wanted it to be, like, content for y' all to, like, tease me about it.

[El]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all are not. We don't get warmed up.

[El]

That was only hour three.

[Joe Budden]

We. We didn't get going yet.

[Queens Flip]

I don't know what I'm wearing, though. Tell me what the way.

[Joe Budden]

What are you wearing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It says black tie.

[Ish]

Cuz I have options. I. I was thinking about wearing tux.

[Joe Budden]

I will tell you what I'm wearing. And I didn't ask you what you were wearing because it's not a concern of mine what you're wearing. Like. But what are you wearing? I'm asking, for real.

[Queens Flip]

I just told you. I don't know what I'm wearing.

[Joe Budden]

But why not the week of is what all I'm asking.

[Queens Flip]

I didn't. I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. You know what you wearing? Armani. You know what you wearing?

[Ish]

Yeah, you know Imani got the fit laid out.

[Joe Budden]

What's up with you niggas?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why don't you again, let me. I could speak for myself.

[Joe Budden]

I can't speak for Flip.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you know he quick to speak for himself. Yeah, champ.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I found out Friday is black tie, champ.

[Queens Flip]

He don't want to speak for his man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if I found out Friday that his black tie, and I don't necessarily. I got mad shit in my closet that would be appropriate, but that stuff don't really fit me now. So now I gotta go buy some clothes and get them tailored in a time manner for a black tie event.

[Ish]

Men's warehouse open right there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And Friday I left here and got on a plane to go somewhere else. So I landed yesterday.

[El]

I need your people too, if you got somebody that'll tailor fast. Cause I didn't know it was black tie. You know what I mean? So I'll get it. I need an excuse to get a new tux in here. I've been wanting to get new tuck, so this will be my excuse.

[Joe Budden]

It's not black tie if you don't have black tie. Like, you could just don't look stupid. Like it says. The invite says don't look stupid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're going to look stupid if everybody show up. Black tie. And you not black tie.

[Ish]

You're in Sergio.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hence stupid.

[El]

I don't mind getting tuxed. I just want. I just need to get Taylor fast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Am I wrong?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, yeah. Is you talking to a bunch of different types of people? Yeah. It was a trick. It is a trick. It is a trick. Just Put a tie on. Or for you blazer with the shirt. I know the way you hoodie.

[Ish]

Hoodie under the blazer.

[Joe Budden]

The way your neck is set up. Yeah. Like you could just shirt unbutton the top. Cool little blazer. I take you some. Some belief sweats or whatever you going to do on the bottom.

[Ish]

I think I would like a. Is shopping.

[Joe Budden]

You talking content. Yeah, but my thing is I'm only talk. They should have shopped before.

[Ish]

It's even funnier if it's like the day before the party.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's not cuz you.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all scramble around with them Taylors if y' all want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. Tailoring is just a layup and that is not a layup. Yeah, my. A good tailor might not be able to get your back for a week or two, right?

[Ish]

It depends. Yeah, I live in a story. The Greeks are good with the Taylor. They turn that around quick and it'll be right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want a lot of polish.

[El]

I might be asking you for a spot there.

[Ish]

Yeah, come right over to the story, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I went to Tom Ford. They got me right. But it was just in the nick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Of time and you still got to get your.

[El]

What was the turnaround in time for it?

[Joe Budden]

I went Saturday to be ready Thursday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a week.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

Okay. So I gotta go tomorrow.

[Joe Budden]

My son went to Nordstrom's yesterday to be ready Saturday.

[Ish]

Tom Ford fits me off the rack. So if I go that route.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you.

[El]

You still need some little tweaks. Maybe.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe. Sometimes had to curse the doorman out of Tom Ford. Cuz I'll be up the street at B. He don't know me like that. If I walk up to the door and you standing at the door and your job is to open the door. Open the door. When I come up the door. He stand there looking at me through the glass. I ain't. I ain't touch the door. Star right there is. You going to get the. No, you act like somebody coming in this.

[Ish]

Which one did you do the. The. The velvet joint with the.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a season for velvet. I know, but I told Keno not lay off the velvet too. I didn't do the velvet. Velvet is my favorite blazer.

[Ish]

But I don't love the velvet dinner jacket.

[Joe Budden]

But I love that they had a.

[Ish]

Nice one is why I asked. They had that one with like. It was like small dot. Like that shit was fine.

[Joe Budden]

I want to keep my jacket on in the joint.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Gary Buick, because I don't have Time for money.

[El]

So you know Gary Buick nigga.

[Joe Budden]

You go. Go take your ass to century 21 or wherever you be going. It's over. They got US Century 21, Macy's for years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm never.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Chill out, bro.

[El]

Go to Livingston Mall.

[Joe Budden]

But there's nothing wrong with you getting your look for Macy's. It's not like nobody is shaming that.

[El]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's nothing wrong.

[El]

Do not shame the poor.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know nothing at all.

[Joe Budden]

His pride won't let him walk in with a suit for Macy's. Which is the sick part about men.

[El]

It's sick.

[Joe Budden]

I mean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo. I'm start cr. Yo.

[El]

Yo. Hypocritical that you do get that rewind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because he won't allow you to make him look stupid. He'll say I'm a hypocrite. Which takes all of the fight out of it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what ICE does too. Yeah. Both of y'. All. I'm a hypocrite.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So it's no. It's a horrible defense. There's no accountability on your goofy.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm hypocrite.

[Joe Budden]

So I lie a lot. So. All right. Okay.

[Queens Flip]

We.

[Joe Budden]

We would flip. Don't you come in here wearing some car vests. And I'm not playing with you. I'm telling you. I swear for God.

[Queens Flip]

What's gonna happen?

[El]

I got you.

[Joe Budden]

You won't get in.

[Queens Flip]

In.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you.

[Joe Budden]

You won't get in.

[Queens Flip]

Why not?

[Joe Budden]

Because I'm making an impression on. Huh? The people that are there that took the time and energy to dress the way it's supposed to be.

[Ish]

You doing white?

[Joe Budden]

No, white. No. I'm not doing white.

[Ish]

Maybe I'll do my white. I didn't want to show up in the same channel.

[El]

I had the same fear.

[Joe Budden]

Right now you can do white. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm on my cream.

[El]

You doing cream too?

[Joe Budden]

I saw a little ivory blazer, but it gave me prom too much.

[Ish]

Now they got a. I couldn't do it.

[Joe Budden]

I wanted to jazz it up with different pants, but they. They gave me the black prom pants. I was like tuxedo pants. But I think.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But now they have to put on.

[Joe Budden]

A cream blazer with a cream pant and a nice chocolate shirt. Let the jazzy get jazzy.

[Ish]

You could. The shirt. The shirt is where you get jazzy in the tie and the.

[Joe Budden]

But a black pant.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tom Ford. And I'm not gonna do that.

[Ish]

Now. They got a little bit of jazz. They got a little bit of jazz.

[Joe Budden]

Not off the cream blazer. They Don't.

[Ish]

Black.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Black pants.

[Joe Budden]

You could.

[Ish]

You could get freaky.

[Joe Budden]

But what.

[Ish]

It don't matter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you a week. This is what everybody understand. Yo, dog, to wit, wear quality dress clothes in a week.

[El]

It's tough.

[Joe Budden]

It's tough, bro, if you're not taking care of your body. True. No. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you shape like Parks.

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What are you, 46 long, 48 long? No, I mean, you're 44 long.

[El]

You said you 46.

[Joe Budden]

44 long. You look long. Yo. 44 long.

[Ish]

If it's like right away, like single pants.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

44 long for parks, you can walk in.

[Joe Budden]

I walked my ass in Tom Ford. Like my dick was big until they took me by the cufflink section.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. Nah, when I went to.

[Joe Budden]

They fixed it. Hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Went right back to shmenium.

[El]

Hey. Back to that ring can.

[Joe Budden]

They fixed it so much. The kind lady that was helping me, and she was a total sweetheart. Been there for 13 years. But she. She had the speech with me before we even got over. You, like, I ain't gonna let you do it.

[Ish]

Yeah. No, they scraped me Bergdorf when I got cufflinks because I had already got the suit. She's like, oh, you probably need some cufflinks. Yeah, sure picked out the ones I liked. That shit was more than the soup.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. See, something was wrong with me and Tom Ford when I said to myself, I need to just get em from Bergdorf. Word. I need to just go to Bergdorf.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If that's your consolation word. Bergdorf.

[Joe Budden]

Tom Ford was on some.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Some different shit.

[Joe Budden]

11 grand, 17 grand, 25 grand. 30 grand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I seen. I seen the purple label blazer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

Nope. Yo, you got sale.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

That's cheaper than Tom Ford.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it is. I don't know.

[Ish]

I. I tried it on.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. That's how me and my girl got on. What?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She wore purple label. My.

[Ish]

It's expensive. It's expensive. As far as Tom is more expensive.

[El]

Yeah, it is. Unless you get purple label custom.

[Ish]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, y' all just step on Saturday. I'm really stepping.

[Queens Flip]

All right, I'm looking.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. What do you mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm looking.

[Joe Budden]

What does that mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm looking.

[Queens Flip]

Gotta see.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta see what?

[Queens Flip]

When I'm aware. Gotta go buy, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. I was looking at your YouTube views. It's there.

[Ish]

You can swing it.

[Joe Budden]

It's there. You had a good month. Some of them shits is buzzing. Yeah, you always get this stupid look on your face when I start talking about your views.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

You Be thinking I'm pocket watching.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, I don't think you're pocket watching. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm gonna wear for your party. Go by on Saturday. Get it right, you gotta put me on what to do.

[Joe Budden]

Get it right. Go to Tom Ford.

[Ish]

You can do some Ralph.

[El]

No, you can't ralph who Cramdon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He can't do neither one of it.

[Joe Budden]

Ralph Brandon.

[El]

Let me see, let me see, let me see.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Nobody cares about the iPhone fold. Do we care about the tennis player Sashiya Vickery that has only fans iPhone?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get off Samsung dick.

[Joe Budden]

My nigga. How about that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything Samsung come out with, here come iPhone. Three years later coming out with some bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm not gonna tell that to Apple. What I will say to the people that will end up purchasing the Apple fold. My dog, if you come around me with a apple fold, it's gonna be a long day. Yo, Apple can make what they want. If you purchase one and come around me and unfold your iPhone, I might smack the earth, wind and fire out of you.

[El]

It might be me, dawg.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, Mark.

[El]

I buy everything that Apple make. I don't give a fuck.

[Joe Budden]

But not the fold.

[El]

They can make Apple draws. But I would buy it. I don't care.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice don't give the new phone come out. Ice is getting it on the day it comes out.

[Ish]

I gotta see the fold before I make a decision on that one.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if y' all with an apple.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fold, I'm a fold.

[Joe Budden]

Y'. All. Do y' all care about this tennis player Sasha Vickery, who has her only fans? So now all the news outlets are talking about her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that the girl that has the only fans that said that she is charging people a thousand dollars per date?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't know nothing about that one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's the same girl. Because the girl that I'm talking about has OnlyFans also one.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's the same girl.

[Joe Budden]

She.

[El]

Yeah. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She was number 73. She reached the rank of 73. She has an only fans. So what she said recently was she's charging. She's gonna start charging men $1,000 to go on a date with her because she's tired of wasting her time on on dates that go nowhere good for her.

[Queens Flip]

Non refundable.

[El]

If anybody wants to do that, let them.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. If you can catch a dodo to pay you to go out.

[El]

Yeah. I mean, I ain't mad at it. The only fans think is interesting. Just the again People should do it with their bodies, what they want, their count, what they want. You know, I just hate. I just hate at a moment where women's sports is moving in one direction for that to become the distraction and for it to become like, you know, more sexualization of athletes and things like that.

[Ish]

Looks like the women's tennis quite falls in the same conversations economically, Unless I could be wrong. But women's tennis has been. They've been them for a long time.

[El]

Which makes it even more like. I don't know. I just like the reverence that women's athletes are getting right now. That's all I'm saying. It's like watching that. Watching that transfer, you know, transformation again, watching it get better and stronger. And to see this I don't like, but she has a right to do it just like anybody else. I ain't mad at it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think when you stand on the hill, as so many people do, is that women are trying to graduate or progress from just being looked at as a physical specimen. Right. We hear males sometimes say, yo, the hypersexualization of women is almost insulting. Cool. That's true. But then when you go to say, it'd be so fine, I know I'm more than just my body. I'm more than just a pretty face.

[Joe Budden]

The bad ones saying, yo. So I think this would be the. They be fine as hell talking about, I'm an asset manager, girl.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you don't, I run a hedge fund.

[Joe Budden]

You're like, they be bad. Looking at all them numbers on the.

[Ish]

Screen like, that's dope. But where's the only fans?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. I'm trying to hit that link tree mouth. What's good?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trying to do some financial abus.

[Ish]

No, it's support.

[El]

These are really irresponsible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying the problem with chicks having only fans. Like, you can't monitor the money that's coming in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's wrong with you?

[Joe Budden]

That's bad. All right, I hear y'. All. I hear y'. All. You walking out and find out your girl made 130,000 last month.

[Ish]

Time forward we go. Call time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going need them c. Call time.

[Joe Budden]

Get him on the phone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I need cream pants.

[Joe Budden]

How would you feel if your partner or wife was making that type of coin on OnlyFans? In this example, they have an only fans. We're making that type of coin on OnlyFans, but keeping it to themselves, like, not telling you because morally and technically there's nothing wrong with this, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's something wrong with that.

[Ish]

I don't think she has to tell me the dollar amount, but I would like some Tom Ford fam.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want to know what financial bracket you're working wife falls in you. I think that's a part of.

[Ish]

I didn't say specifics. I just. You don't just give me the specific.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dollar amount, but 130amonth, that's a lot of money. Yo, dog, I want to know.

[Joe Budden]

I think men are really take. Men are really taking for granted what some of the women are making.

[Ish]

Oh, for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

I think there's even a stat that says the only fans employees make more than the CEO than.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could believe that.

[Joe Budden]

Like it's some wild stats with how the money is circulated.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And if you my girl, I want to know where we. You don't gotta give me the specifics.

[Ish]

Yeah, but could we get a better house?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[El]

If you making one point in this example, you talking about over a million dollars a year. 1.3 million a year. You ain't tell me it's fucked up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Way more than I agree.

[El]

Give me some. What I need to know. I need to know the exact amount.

[Joe Budden]

Even though your wife never discussed with you what she was making.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I don't think. How could y' all become husband and wife without knowing what financial ballpark?

[Joe Budden]

Because back to your point at Invest Fest, men are so conditioned to protect and provide that how many men are running around saying, I'm trying to do some auditing on what she's making? Men are not actively saying that.

[El]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And watch this. And you heard me say and Invest Fest, I stand against that. Like, yo, dawg, I think that's some insecure shit. When the niggas can't take their girl making bread or don't want to do an inventory of where their girls are financially or filled.

[Joe Budden]

You should making bread in a secret couple million lying around.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know it can't be a secret with me. I'm going to feel some type of way.

[El]

I think if you're in a serious relationship, you should know how much the other person makes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

In general. In general. I mean, you may not know down to the dollar. I don't know how much my wife makes to the dollar, but I could get it within 90%, you know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A 20, 30, $40,000.

[El]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Differential.

[El]

Yeah. And so if I found out later on she had an extra hundred thousand a month coming in.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, it's a problem.

[El]

Yeah, it's A problem? Because they make me wonder all kinds of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I still gotta wash dishes. You crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You can tell Mark washed more dishes than ours, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do too.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you was. We. We knew that. You've been a bitch. You ain't surprising. What's my favorite word? Look at Mark in the. In the kitchen washing dishes. As Miz. How you go from a cult to that?

[El]

You don't think I wash dishes in the cult?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I thought you washing other things.

[El]

So, see, y'. All. This how it starts. Then when I clap back, I'm the bully.

[Joe Budden]

Word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. No.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, them molestation jokes don't exist with me. My family taught that gay guy. Hey, that. Hey, hey, that dog. Hey, my big brother went up there. You hear this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dumb, stupid. What's wrong with you, dog?

[Joe Budden]

Anyway. Oh, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. But, yeah, you can't have no hundred grand in the tuck.

[El]

You can't handle ten grand a month in a tuck.

[Joe Budden]

Good point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[El]

That's a lot of money to have as a regular thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As a regular person. Joe, you're bugging.

[El]

Stop that.

[Joe Budden]

Stop that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get off of this, Rich.

[Queens Flip]

You talking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My $120,000 your wife is making, and she's hiding it every year.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when y' all make my.

[El]

That's escape money.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when y' all make my opinion lesser than. Because God has been good to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it is.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not trying to talk not lesser.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Than, but it's just uncommon.

[El]

I think you're missing the. Yeah, you're missing. If the average person is making 50, let's say 40, right? Yeah. And suddenly they got a secret 120 coming in. They make. They got three times more money than.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, that's more money than 90% of America makes.

[El]

You stashed it, right? You secretly making that every month or every year. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when y' all do this. We be having privilege talks that y' all then rewind and include the pores. So are we talking about the pores? If we. If we talking about the pores. Jvp. If we are. If we talk about the pores. And I agree with y', all, somebody stacked stashing a buck 20. But if we talking about two people, that. That's all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm the pores.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shut the up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if my girl was stashing a.

[Joe Budden]

Hundred grand, you shouldn't blink.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm gonna be having my eyes wide shut.

[El]

Are you crazy? Okay.

[Joe Budden]

You shouldn't blink.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Translate me on this broadcast.

[Joe Budden]

No, you gotta stop with this lie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a lie.

[Joe Budden]

You've been here four years. You just told them at Invest Fest. I've been an entrepreneur all my life. These niggas that work nine to five, they broken dumb.

[El]

I did just say that.

[Joe Budden]

You just said that up there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, rewind.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, shut your. But two people that are doing above average is what I'm saying.

[El]

Okay, but then you got to translate the numbers. Let's say. Let's say your lady were making an extra million dollars a month.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[El]

You wouldn't want to fucking know that.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, see? And that's where y' all are sick. I'm saying two people that are above average and you jump to the million.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, if Sade was making an extra 200 grand a month off.

[Joe Budden]

I pressed. I've been pressed her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I said if she was making.

[Joe Budden]

No, she making from the side on all this Tick Tock subscription, Instagram subscription. All that digital money that just is coming in seamlessly. That as a man, we not paying no attention.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you pressing?

[Joe Budden]

Slow down for a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you pressing?

[Joe Budden]

You shouldn't care. I care.

[El]

You should. And that's all I can say.

[Joe Budden]

That's our point.

[El]

All we've been saying.

[Joe Budden]

What I'm arguing is she's. She was within her, right? And when I pressed her. Well, not when I pressed her, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, when you pressed her.

[El]

Don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't. When you pressed her, you don't want.

[Queens Flip]

To say, but it was a light.

[Joe Budden]

Press, so I don't want to make that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't care if it was a half press, a full court press.

[El]

You pressed.

[Joe Budden]

She painted the picture for me, and I understand.

[El]

What's the picture? How'd you get an understanding?

[Joe Budden]

I'm a. Right.

[El]

She said, look, don't worry about what's in my pockets.

[Joe Budden]

Right? What's coming in. I do. The X goes here, Y goes here. I got three kids. These niggas eat groceries. So money that comes in. And I'm not gown. I just put that to the side. It's for my kids. It's for the. I think that people have the right to stash for themselves, because in relationships, a lot of times, the money that's made is the relationship's money. We're earning as a couple, right? But if somebody wants to stash. Let's not say. Say 10 grand, because that is a lot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want you to stash. I want my girl to recognize that I'm frivolous with money and have an emergency stash.

[Joe Budden]

But you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you make a million dollars a month? 120 grand. What was it, 110amonth?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, something like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not a stash anymore.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't a secret life. That ain't a rainy day fun. That's a monsoon brewing. What the are you talking about?

[El]

Well, and that's. That's the point right there. A lot of women tell me that they keep funds for an escape.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, yes.

[El]

And that's the thing that gives a lot of people anxiety. That's what gives me anxiety when I hear people say, oh, My lady keeps $100,000 here. 200. 500. It's one thing if we're saving for us, but if you got a secret.

[Joe Budden]

Her saving is not normally for us.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[El]

It's never for us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just in case this relationship don't work out, I got something to quote, unquote, fall back on. And then when a man don't got his million in the stash.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying, don't come tell me about all this money you about to spend on your kids, man. Fuck them. No, no, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, serious.

[Joe Budden]

You know the funny thing about kids, honestly, you wanna know what's funny about kids?

[Queens Flip]

I have them.

[Joe Budden]

Sex ain't that awesome.

[El]

What?

[Ish]

It ain't to make up for the.

[Joe Budden]

Inconveniences a kid, yo. Oh.

[Queens Flip]

In life that you gotta watch from.

[Joe Budden]

Day zero to death for 30 years, they still bumming. My one little good night after this bad bunny show. We was hot. And Stevie, that night was so romantic. Yo, dog, Ian called me yesterday. Ian called me yesterday. He getting a haircut?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he getting his ass kicked.

[Joe Budden]

He getting a haircut. The barber is cutting his head. He looked like Michael J. Fox in Teen Wolf. He look like he ain't been able to take care of himself and the baby. Only a month, three weeks, that baby cries.

[El]

I was at his house yesterday. That baby cried the whole time. I was there for six hours.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he's totally let himself go. Yeah, his daughter don't have no respect for him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I text him and said, he look like he does. It's coming.

[Joe Budden]

I text him and say, imagine volunteering to do that for sex.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

After that, Joe. Everything else is so rewarding.

[El]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Your children growing up. Your children.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I got one, it's coming, and one is about to be 25. When is the reward ceremony?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That nut. Hey, get my nut back.

[El]

Hey, when is it coming? Still waiting.

[Joe Budden]

You want your nut? Oh, my God, you're an idiot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This guy is a fool.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Oh, man, I'm. Listen I'm barking on my kids over nothing now. Yesterday I tried to get my kid right for the party. Yo, you got to go get a suit. I thought I gave you some suits that fit, but apparently they don't. Yo, get up. Call me in the morning, take your ass down to Garden State Mall, hit the little suit store. Eye to eye to eye. You get a tailor, so it's going to take some time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What kind of suit he got?

[Joe Budden]

No, it don't matter. It don't matter where he went the next day. I'm looking at the clock. You know, I've been up since 5am you know what time he called me? 1:11. Okay, I'm ready to. Didn't I tell you to call me when you wake up? Like, am I missing something that you. None of my kids listen to me. Oh. Just been feeling under the weather. All right, so don't come around me then because I didn't get sick on my birthday week. You take your ass to Garden State Mall, get you a little something. He called me back three hours later from some country ass store in Newport Mall. I got the whole Garden State Mall memorized like the back of my hand. Whatever store, you going in there, I'm gonna know where it's at, where you at and where you need to go. Yo, I say, show me the store. He starts showing me all of the Daniel's leathers, blazers, portobello. He starts showing me all of this. My bad. We respect Daniel Leather. He starts showing me like, shit with chrome buttons. Start showing me blazers with LA LED light. I say, yo, where are you? I'm in Newport Mall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm. I'm in polyester heaven, dad.

[El]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

That's what's in Newport polyester heaven. These kids don't listen for, but rewarding anyway. Anyway, moving on, moving on, moving on, moving on, moving on, moving on.

[Ish]

Threw the green dildos at the Titans game. I think it was.

[Joe Budden]

It was at preseason football game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, they threw. They threw the dildo on the field.

[Joe Budden]

Didn't your kid always find your girl sex toys? Oh, oh, speaking of green dog man, whatever drawers in. That's the drawer that them little like, if you don't give me that, they hit the power button. I love come to life and start moving. All they know how to do is press buttons. Oh, man, these kids hilarious. Yo, he done found this like seven times.

[El]

I done put it in mass.

[Joe Budden]

Different spots.

[Queens Flip]

They like.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking to refer to the tag before I being caught again. Anyways, somebody was saying somebody Was saying somebody with more sense than me was.

[Ish]

Saying something about how they're moving the dildos to a bigger stage.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't just wnba.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, where they at now?

[Ish]

They were at the preseason Vikings Titans game.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, because of the male cheerleaders. Oh, okay. Y' all wanted by male.

[Ish]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all wanted by a male cheerleader.

[Queens Flip]

Take this.

[Joe Budden]

That was crazy, son.

[Ish]

I thought you were saying it was theirs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was lime green, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, Parks. Wow.

[El]

Parks.

[Joe Budden]

Parks.

[Queens Flip]

What the hell is up?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, what's up?

[Queens Flip]

What you telling?

[Ish]

I'm telling, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bad money.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, y' all keep playing with the NFL like that, the NFL gonna teach you something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they will.

[Joe Budden]

The NFL gonna teach you something. The NFL ain't the wnba Damn sure that culprit. Could be. Could be. Could flee as long as the New Orleans last inmate from the wnba. They done threw a hundred dildos up there. The culprit is at the diner just chilling, eating.

[Ish]

Roger Goodell will not have none of that.

[Joe Budden]

Roger Goodell got a special guillotine in the back. The NFL handle. Oh, you like dildos, huh? Come here, boy.

[Ish]

Come over here to the seat.

[Joe Budden]

Don't take a knee with it. That'll really grind his gears. This part is extremely immature.

[Queens Flip]

You are stupid.

[Joe Budden]

But I think we've hit everything on my list. Let me just double check. Menendez brothers, people who should have a podcast but don't act. And Meg Deposition. Oh, that was funny. AK and Meg was funny. I'll save it. Drake and Bobby Drake, Tupac, Chain Rampage Jackson kissing Beans.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. I was just about to go there.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, your Philly pass should be revolved. You didn't say nothing about the Kiss Jadakiss Beans album. Kiss? The Mac executive produced by Freeway that they working on.

[El]

I'm excited by it. I was a little. I'm not sure how concrete a project.

[Joe Budden]

It is, because even in the promo vid, like, Beans didn't talk.

[El]

Yeah. Yeah. It sounded like something. They've been talking about doing an album together forever for 20 years.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's back when they both was talking right now.

[El]

You know, Mac don't say a whole lot. He's still rapping. He said he's gonna start using. He got the AI AI to accentuate his voice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't hear the song? One of them shits?

[El]

No. Everything I fuck with Beans. Everything Beans do is fire. But they said they looking for the bag. They reaching out to executives looking for the bag for this album. Right. So it still sounds like it's an idea that they're trying to launch as opposed to, like, a project that has tracks or anything like that. But Kiss, the Mac, whenever it comes out. With Kissing, Beans is gonna be fire. And with Freeway executive producing, I'm looking forward to it. They were in Philly on Saturday in North Philly, outside doing it, so I'm feeling good about it.

[Joe Budden]

Doing what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Getting your promo.

[Joe Budden]

Doing the promo.

[El]

Because what happened was Jadakiss. Jadakiss came to the city to do a show, and while he was there, Matt came down and met up with him. Free came through. Kiss and Free always come through to go to the games together. They do stuff. So, yeah, they supposed to be doing this project. He came out to announce it.

[Ish]

I'm excited. And that's good usage of AI to.

[El]

Me, it's the best usage.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Amazing usage.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's the best usage of that. I wish the young people knew. I don't care that they don't. But I wish they knew how monumental this project is and what that really means.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And to a different level, lyricist. Because Beans don't really be getting as much credit as he should as he deserves.

[Joe Budden]

Beans is a top 17 rapper all time to me.

[Ish]

I'm not mad at that.

[Joe Budden]

He's really, really rapper. Yeah, he's really, really, really high on my rappers, and he has really good albums. Yes, yes, yes, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He. He's high. He's high up. I don't know about 17, but he. He's high on my list.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you don't know 17 rappers. Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Crazy as a bag of dust.

[Joe Budden]

You can't name 17 current rappers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, I can. And you added current, but yes.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you know all the old school. That's why I added current. You can't name 17 that's rapping today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, I can, Joe.

[El]

This is like a good test. We got to set the timer.

[Joe Budden]

We got to. No, I don't. The time don't matter. Just. Can he name 17 of them?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

17?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. That's rapping now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How many? 17? Lucci and Thug Gunner tell you just went offset. Offset.

[El]

That's four.

[Joe Budden]

Four. We'll keep the count. You go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fabio, Lotto. Nikki.

[Joe Budden]

That's seven. Glorilla.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm on like, nine.

[El]

Nikki, I'm skipping.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shut up. Nick is a rapper. Glorilla.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Scarlet, Chance.

[Joe Budden]

Where's Flo? Down. Scarlet. Nine. I'm on like 12. This is beating me, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You had 11 beating me, yo. I'm at like 12, yo. This is so simple. What's the other chick?

[Ish]

Big dedicated.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No No, I got this part. I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

Don't nobody save you a word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, we at eleven say.

[El]

You can say him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Chill out, my brain is drawing. I'm trying to go by city, Kodak.

[Joe Budden]

Kodak.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not around 12.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, 12.

[Joe Budden]

Jim Jones, 13 even mouthing rappers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he didn't.

[Joe Budden]

14.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, Kendrick, Drake, like Joe, this is a layup. Stop playing with me.

[El]

Yo, he's almost there.

[Joe Budden]

I'll give him cold for 17.

[El]

Yo, this is.

[Joe Budden]

But if he. If he had to get.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't even name the clips. I didn't name nobody.

[Joe Budden]

If he'd had to go to 22 clips.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's mad Joe. Stop.

[Joe Budden]

You did it. You did it.

[Ish]

Hey, round of applause for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, come on, man of applause.

[Queens Flip]

You ain't gonna get one either.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, some of them names though. If he ain't just go to investment that with a Lucci.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not true.

[El]

I wasn't dissing Nikki, by the way. I thought you just meant like. Like new generation rappers. Yeah. Oh yeah, he could do that. He could do that.

[Joe Budden]

What number you think would have him up?

[El]

30.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It would.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they had to finish them.

[Ish]

No, he'd have been 30.

[El]

Would have a mental 35.

[Joe Budden]

35, okay, you get the 30 I give, I'll pay you, I'll send you a stack, Bruh, you're the 30 I'll send you.

[El]

Thinking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You sending me any money, Joe? 13 more rappers that are currently rapping. Send it here. I'm call your bluff.

[Joe Budden]

Right on air.

[Queens Flip]

He got it. He wrote it out.

[El]

Say the rappers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Freddie Gibbs. That's. We need 12.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

No, you need. Well, you said clips.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was at like 20 with the clips.

[Ish]

Well, the clips is one, it's two, but it's fun.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not doing that here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, cool. Freddie gets.

[Ish]

So you need 11 more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't no buying. Where do you get 11?

[Queens Flip]

Yes, 12.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz he needs 12 more.

[Ish]

Oh, 12 more.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right. Freddy Gibbs one, Yo Gotti two, the other. They can't. Don't tell me nothing. My brain just wanted a blank.

[Joe Budden]

Needs 10 more. Nah, I dug him.

[Ish]

Simba.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Simba not actively rapping.

[Joe Budden]

Simba never put a project out and doesn't have a project out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not true, but okay, we can take some off if you wish.

[Joe Budden]

If he has a project out, you can leave it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Simba, Simba got a project out.

[El]

What's the Simba project?

[Ish]

I think he has put a project up for Simba's.

[El]

Put a project.

[Joe Budden]

We have a Talk about it up here. Nine more. Nine more. We letting Simba rock audience. We need nine more for ish to get to win this stack and split.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It with Dr. Absol. Reason Absol and re.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[El]

Pick your face.

[Joe Budden]

I'm counting. That's how I count with the dumb face. Yes. We need seven more.

[Ish]

Seven more.

[Joe Budden]

Seven more. This is so easy. We need seven more. I think you running low.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[El]

This definitely isn't coming across as easy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My brain is just off the cuff. I'm trying to think of some people.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think it's easy. For me it is. Seven more then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pretty pretty.

[Joe Budden]

Stop touching him. Stop touching.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't got to touch him, Cash doll.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, six more. Six more. These names. He pulling out the wazu. Six more.

[El]

That's why I said a time limit.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. He close.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get my 500.

[Joe Budden]

He's close. Six more. We going to sleepers. I'm telling you, we good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is so simple.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm bugging.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said drink.

[El]

You already said drink.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Is five more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Killer Mike.

[Joe Budden]

Four more for a thousand dollars. Suspense music what's wrong with you? Is playing in the background.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Her g herball.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Three more.

[El]

You can do this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this is. Yeah. That 35 would have ended him, but three more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It wouldn't have get to three more though.

[Queens Flip]

That's 39.

[Joe Budden]

You like 30. In the meantime, the rest of us can find the next topic or sleeper.

[El]

Let's go to sleeper.

[Joe Budden]

Three more for him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cardi.

[Ish]

Oh, two more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Quavo. I need one more. Two chains.

[Ish]

There we go.

[Joe Budden]

Ladies and gentlemen.

[Ish]

Pause. Hip hop is hip hop.

[Queens Flip]

Why you just exit the screen?

[Joe Budden]

I clap finger on took that guy.

[El]

That's why this is a music podcast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Used to stupid.

[Joe Budden]

What's your name on you again?

[Queens Flip]

Dr. Brian Jr. Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I see. I see, I see. Oh, that's you, right? Your name, that's you. All right. What else we got, man? What else we got?

[El]

I like what you do that sleepers.

[Ish]

Sleep people probably sleeping on something a fool.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you got it.

[El]

That's long. Six and a half minutes.

[Ish]

That's all it took. You put the timer on?

[El]

Yeah, I just needed to know for myself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, some of the was I just didn't see.

[El]

That's and that's you giving them cold.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm trying to help.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think I would have said cold?

[El]

I'm not sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[El]

It took six and a half minutes to get the quavo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, look how long it took to get to Cardi. My brain just wasn't your 30.

[Joe Budden]

Got a bunch of bums in it, though.

[El]

I didn't say that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't say 30 great rappers.

[Joe Budden]

It's over. I'm just adding additional commentary. You're 30. Got something.

[Ish]

Let's get a R plus for Joe Pay all the time.

[El]

Oh, y. Stop. I don't think that was. I don't think that was going to happen either.

[Joe Budden]

We should clap every month around this.

[Ish]

I'm not talking about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. That's not true. Good point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not true.

[Joe Budden]

You boy, you got to get the look.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, I think if that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you had to get in front of your and put the ADP payments in. Yeah, yeah. You're a nutcase.

[Joe Budden]

We begin on the H. I owe my trainer two months of money right now just cause and still expect to see him every week.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't gonna lie. Do it sometimes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. You know it's dead, dog. Don't be thirsty for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And yo, you start feeling defended when ask you like, yo, stop playing, man.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, don't ask me for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

If you ask me for it in an uncool way, you gotta find the coolest way to do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, some of my niggas hit me like, yo, dawg, I gotta pay XYZ on the second. I'll be like, fuck it. You had to bring the bills into it. You want your kids in it. This is bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

I think for my sleeper, I'm going with where the fuck is this song? God damn it, Let me find my damn sleeper, dude. I'm going with a Coco Jones record.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

That record should be track two on her project, Coco Jones. Is he. Oh, new project. Here we go. Yeah, new project. A new one on. Yes, well, the deluxe. Okay, okay, here we go. Coco Jones. This record is called on site. Say.

[El]

Don'T lie Tell me not to leave Tell me what you need My heart is on my sleep.

[Joe Budden]

Is that what you want me?

[El]

Don't run around Tell me what the delay I can make this moment feel like a lifetime Wanna lay with you.

[Joe Budden]

All night.

[El]

And after that then we say Come show me what you mean don't hide your feelings for me oh, no, no, no, no and I know you can't believe that you saw.

[Joe Budden]

Run.

[El]

Around Tell me what the delay I can make this moment be like a.

[Joe Budden]

Lifetime.

[El]

Wanna lay with you all night and after that let me say it baby, baby, baby.

[Joe Budden]

That'S brand new music from Coco Jones or brand new old Music. Either way, it's on the album. It's on Deluxe. That record is called on site, available in your phone and on dsps right this very second. Shout out to Coco Jones. Hey, hey, hey, yo. Shout out to all R and B artists that are still providing music that you can make love to. Coco Jones.

[Ish]

Coco's Fire. Coco's Fire I'm going to Atlanta. This is two chains Deadbeat Moms off the Red Clay soundtrack.

[Joe Budden]

Turn me up Turn me up a little bit more Turn them up anytime and if keeps saying and the booth before verse Come on they about to get is better Turn me up some more yes, sir. Good cop, bad cop Good dad, bad the good D Younger end up in jail Single parent household with no mother My homeboy had to party train his daughter Dead beat mom's at a all time high Deadbeat moms that are all.

[Queens Flip]

Time high.

[El]

All time high this fire.

[Joe Budden]

IG page filled with nothing but lies did it for the gram I thought.

[Queens Flip]

You know, it's hard to help somebody in some brand new shoes Mind over matter you could do that Give me a hundred pounds I can move that.

[Joe Budden]

Child Whip my mama out my apartment unit and who can box the shorts.

[Queens Flip]

When I.

[Joe Budden]

Same phone number from back.

[El]

In the day Might get a text.

[Queens Flip]

From a J asking for yay.

[Joe Budden]

When you was watching the throne and.

[Queens Flip]

Looked at me I had the only.

[Joe Budden]

Felony on disturbing the peace Skill set.

[Queens Flip]

On the rise I retired from pies.

[Joe Budden]

Bought a couple of peas got a couple of eyes who going to take.

[Queens Flip]

Them kids to school need to prioritize.

[Joe Budden]

Make the track free easy like we.

[Queens Flip]

In Lamont this the takeover flow Family.

[Joe Budden]

Still gotta eat no matter who in.

[El]

The church the preacher still gotta preach.

[Joe Budden]

Two pistols under the seat A girl.

[Queens Flip]

Trip to the beach now how you.

[Joe Budden]

Fly and your kids ain't got nothing.

[Queens Flip]

To eat See that ain't none of my business I'm just saying what I see My partner had a My daughter taught a person to hygiene her, she.

[Joe Budden]

Just had twins now she never Celine.

[Queens Flip]

Now that's a whole lot of baggage, if you know what I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Good cop, bad cop good dad bad the good die Younger end up in jail Single parent household with no mother My homeboy had to potty train his daughter Deadbeat moms at a all time high Dead beat moms at an all time high.

[Ish]

Has two chains Deadbeat Moms off his red clay soundtrack which is fire Go out and cop that now yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to that was some of the best. That was some of the best I heard in A while, El. Hey, and Mark, you don't have to run off to the side to laugh at a good concept. It's just a concept. It's not, it's not really a woman standing right there.

[El]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not taking care of her seed.

[El]

Yeah, no, I, I, I think he's right. I agree with the flow. I agree with the content. I thought it was Fire Mothers. I was laughing at what Imani was saying to me, which is unrelated.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No doubt.

[Ish]

Imani's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Well, what did he say?

[El]

I the song.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[El]

Oh, that's what you said. Oh, no, I disagree with that again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to play some quality.

[Joe Budden]

Get us out of here, El.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, the song is called Touch, featuring Gold Link.

[Joe Budden]

Let me buy you a drink girl, what you thinking?

[Queens Flip]

I'm not falling in love it's more.

[Joe Budden]

Like I'm sinking Can't wait to let my lips touch to dance I'll be your man just for the night I'm.

[Queens Flip]

Your slend me don't stop moving just.

[Joe Budden]

Tease me bab.

[Queens Flip]

One more drink and.

[Joe Budden]

We face to face I see the way you're moving you so fly want.

[Queens Flip]

To leave here see what happens tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Want you in the worst way Bab you back I better send this place tonight.

[Queens Flip]

You're my inspiration I want more than just to taste yeah girl I want.

[Joe Budden]

You face to face the ways you Let me buy you a dream Girl, what you thinking? I'm not falling in love more like I'm sinking Can't wait to let my lips touch she want to dance I be your man just for the night I'm your Let me buy you a drink Girl, what you drinking? I'm not falling in love it's just for the weekend hush can't wait to let her lips touch she want to dance I'll be your man just for the night I'm your.

[Ish]

So what's up?

[Joe Budden]

You could run often or what?

[El]

So what if I did? I mean, I'm just saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I haven't really seen you down here before.

[El]

Maybe you're not looking hard enough.

[Joe Budden]

Listen.

[El]

Shut up. I'm just trying to build with you. Put it out there. I wanna make you feel something. Maybe. Girl you got a Wanna come around stay a while while I get 20 rounds put it down, run you down like a Supposed to beat it up.

[Queens Flip]

Eat it up treat it like I'm supposed to Tongue it down up on.

[El]

The time I make my dose Ooh, got a nigga set it like I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trying to make a bold move Sorry.

[El]

My Lady I got caught in a daisy you know talking about hitting them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Corners Switching lanes in the four series.

[El]

Be my all black tenant windows on low speeds Be in a the one.

[Joe Budden]

Of our seats on the low but what's your Addie? I ain't trying to meet your daddy I just want to make it nasty.

[El]

While I'm in your daddy's caddy what's up?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I whisper to put my hands on.

[El]

Another but talking dirty while we get.

[Queens Flip]

About this club.

[Ish]

There'S LA and Gold link touch. That's tough.

[Joe Budden]

I with that song. It's one of my favorite songs off the LA project.

[Ish]

Hey, Mark. You with us, though?

[El]

Yep.

[Ish]

You got something you want to play for the people.

[El]

Oh, you didn't get it?

[Joe Budden]

I did.

[El]

Oh, yep, yep, yep.

[Ish]

Just setting you up to intro.

[El]

I appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

Gregory Abbott don't come in MP3. You didn't get it. You can't just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, Freeway.

[Ish]

John Baptiste album's pretty good.

[Joe Budden]

I want to get to it. It's an amazing cover. I didn't get to John.

[Ish]

No, I did like half of of it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm there.

[Ish]

And he's not making the. He's like producer, producing. Like, he's still got the band, but he's producing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, I'm getting to that.

[Ish]

It's dope.

[Joe Budden]

His last album was dope. Yeah.

[El]

My choice was Bodies, which is Offset, featuring okay, my.

[Joe Budden]

Here'S a sleeper. We debuted talking on several times and had the artist on.

[Queens Flip]

You good, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Let it go, let it go, let it go.

[El]

Play this all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Before I got money I wasn't try kicking dogs and I'm j if you want like a omelette I'm just being honest throw me a 60 if I go to magical honest I'm just being honest I keep a stick or blicky.

[El]

In case it get sticky I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

Being honest in case you know that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with it I'm having this chicken.

[Joe Budden]

This trick and I'm just being honest.

[El]

I'm with that who really getting be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Honest hey pasture be giving be honest she rare like a pen I got racks in the backing these be hooked like pun I up my rank cuz I got spray I think the forgot.

[El]

Where I came from Cuz I got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Matching the matching with lake I pull up portion I think I'm J.

[Queens Flip]

Turn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Into smokers no be buying they biting like Tyson got sticks, got glocks we ain't fighting Start up a water and start up a riot Shoot at the club and then shoot at your partner.

[El]

And shoot at your block and then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shoot at your house Feeling like Bob if I put right catch a cut his talk out.

[Queens Flip]

A million dollars I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pay all the lawyers free I'm out of dagger sleeping and dreaming talking to the rocket he told me go up I told him that I got him.

[El]

Go say the rock better message what.

[Joe Budden]

I'm rocking yellow the stone the booger.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Looking Schneider walking in I'm standing tall.

[Joe Budden]

I got it, I got it no.

[El]

More quick remarks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody I'm breathing fire.

[Joe Budden]

Burning, dragging somebody you feed the homie they promise a homie just hand me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The hand here right beside me I.

[Joe Budden]

Hopping a ride inside us to hear me the coppers behind me this time.

[El]

In the shitty why shooting that Ricky.

[Joe Budden]

No running back and forth he clapping the 50, he cracking the 40 I'm back in the city I'm headed the.

[El]

Only war is with me Lord forgive.

[Joe Budden]

Me through whatever endeavors is J baby I'm just a few letters take a look I'm about to break a record Put me in the books I'm bound to beat the level all about the effort I'm putting in leg work early.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

In the morning Count money to my.

[Joe Budden]

Head hurt being funny we could put him in a red shirt five to your chest like an ant man Live and direct Live in the flesh I manifest I can look in the face of a threat but never sweat you sweet get out of the streets when.

[El]

Doing a sweet.

[Joe Budden]

Cheese another day on the east make them fall to the knees.

[Queens Flip]

Let the floor let the floor Let the body sit the floor.

[Joe Budden]

Let.

[Queens Flip]

The body sit the floor.

[Ish]

That is Offset and Jid Bodies. One of my favorite records of the summer. For show. For show.

[Queens Flip]

That is not a sleeper.

[Joe Budden]

That was hard.

[Ish]

Not really a sleeper.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't care.

[Ish]

I love the record so far it.

[Joe Budden]

And there are some people sleeping on it somewhere.

[Ish]

I'm sure there is. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

In announcements. They have nothing to do with nothing. That Offset album into Gunners album. If you have enough time on your car ride or whatever that Gun album been just. Oh my Lord. It's been that offset into Gun. I can't lie. It's been both of them.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's a smooth transition. Like they share a sound.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

One is a little more lit and Gunna is a smooth. Just. Actually I'm ending with some gunner. Man. They talking about this record right here. This gonna burn a boy. That's one, two. Just as I suspected. Pharrell and these Adidas is gonna spend all of this time promoting the Pharrell Jellyfish Adidas Collab and then I wouldn't be able to get none because they only made 400 pairs. If anybody knows Pharrell, if Pusha T or Malice are listening, can somebody help me get a pair of the orange Pharrell jellyfish, please? Jesus. And the black beret while I'm at it. That I've been asking for forever, and now every at Invest Fest is wearing a black beret. They trying to ruin them. They trying to ruined the vibe. Now when I'm at. When I'm out with it might say they go, rashard. Like, we can't have that. We can't have that at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop stealing the swag.

[Joe Budden]

Never. Never, ever, ever, ever. That's just Steve Harvey had on down there.

[El]

Boy.

[Joe Budden]

Steve Harvey. If I wore that. Yeah. Clear the back out before I come in there. Everybody just can't share presence with this peach silk suit. Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He be hit or miss. The other day he hit a home run.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I. I ain't seen a miss in a while in some years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he missed sometimes.

[El]

He used to miss a lot back in the day, I think. I think he's got a stylist in the last 10 years. Has really got him real fly.

[Joe Budden]

Not a stylist. His stylist is him.

[El]

Got you. Okay. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, you clearly aren't in the fashion world. It.

[El]

That's what I said at all. But he's. He's killing it. Take it.

[Joe Budden]

Joke. Damn it. Keep trying to make him crack. What y' all doing this weekend? Anything fun? Oh, wait, it's not Friday.

[El]

Nothing fun.

[Joe Budden]

What are y' all doing this week?

[Ish]

Studio. Studio.

[Joe Budden]

Studio.

[Queens Flip]

I got. I got the free jerk chicken today.

[El]

Oh, down in Brooklyn.

[Joe Budden]

That's dope.

[Queens Flip]

Brooklyn, yeah. Providing for the community.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you're doing.

[Queens Flip]

Good, good.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have a All access band or you just roaming around where they. Where you smelled your chicken at?

[Queens Flip]

All that.

[El]

All that.

[Joe Budden]

Are you actually gonna be there talking to the chef or somebody?

[Queens Flip]

Or you just like roaming around?

[Joe Budden]

Roaming around. Yo, you gonna snuff me.

[El]

No, not no lie.

[Joe Budden]

You are gonna snuff me, man. Oh, man. Where you and DOC where you in the DOC Popping up at this week? I know y' all ain't bodies and speaking engage. I know y' all looked at each other like, no, we gotta hit him again. Me and you. Me and this the team. This the squad.

[El]

Squad right here.

[Joe Budden]

This squad right here, man. You Doc.

[El]

I'm waiting to hit.

[Queens Flip]

See that, though?

[Joe Budden]

Idiot. Bro, you don't mad at the song right now. It's mad songs in this album I like. I got it. No, I got you. Don't worry about it.

[Queens Flip]

What's wrong with you?

[Ish]

Shout out to Mel, Freeze. We miss you.

[El]

We miss y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Mel and Freeze. Y' all have jobs. Hey, listen, man. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoyed enjoy delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until next time, we bid you ado farewell. Adios, arrivederci, Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long about A simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make make this one last as if it's all we have.

[El]

Last but not least.

[Joe Budden]

The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Ego Power and fame, Power and fame.

[El]

Rich can they like what he means.

[Joe Budden]

Buy my game I got it Giving.

[El]

Them ways.

[Joe Budden]

Same time, same place this week. And y' all holding down out there you've never heard of Joe Buddy.

[Ish]

We'Ll.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fold that up right now. Don't look away now, pussy.