Episode 869 | "Tricky Words"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 869 | "Tricky Words"

Date: October 15, 2025
Host: Joe Budden & The Joe Budden Network

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Main Theme

This episode delivers classic comedic banter, debates on pop culture, and heartfelt reflection as the crew discusses "tricky words," memorable music lyrics, personal stories, current headlines, and pays emotional tribute to the late D’Angelo. The show is imbued with playful back-and-forth, raw honesty, and genuine celebration of Black culture, with the sudden passing of D’Angelo serving as an emotional centerpiece.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Dancery," Crunk, & Tricky Words in Lyrics

[00:35 – 04:58]

• The crew debates Mary J. Blige’s "Family Affair" and the famously made-up word "dancery," leading to a history of misunderstood lyrics.

• Mark Lamont Hill shares insider info that the original lyric might have been “dance soiree,” and how it possibly morphed into "dancery."

• The crew riffs on how certain words and moments become cultural staples:

  “I’mma start referring to every bar and club as the dancery from now on.” – Flip [01:42]

• They reflect on the differences between "white crunk" and "black crunk," describing how people react when their song comes on in the club.

• The story meanders into a shared memory: the use of Joe Budden's song "Fire" in Mean Girls and Entourage, sparking nostalgia for their clubbing days.

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2. Relationships, Dogs, and Domestic Negotiations

[24:03 – 31:44]

• The "dog discourse" unfolds as Ice shares how he got “bullied” into getting a "doodle" breed by his partner, despite wanting a Rottweiler. The guys commiserate—everyone’s lost that negotiation at some point.

  “If it ends in doodle… you got the wrong dog.” – Mark Lamont Hill [24:49]

• They discuss the economics of dog ownership, "relationship compromises," and the way partners have the real power on big life decisions.
• Joe highlights the gendered draw of large vs. small dogs and the futility of saying "I'm allowed to do what I want" in relationships.

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3. D’Angelo Tribute & Legacy

[32:05 – 43:09, 165:20 – 192:44]

• The news of D’Angelo’s passing becomes the episode’s emotional axis. Mark Lamont Hill offers a detailed explanation of D’Angelo’s impact on neo soul, hip-hop, and Black music culture.

  "Brown Sugar [is] the album that defines 90s soul and R&B." – Mark Lamont Hill [33:13]

• Stephen A. Smith is discussed as a modern example of media silhouette and public perception, which echoes D’Angelo’s “reluctant superstar” energy.
• The segment closes with multiple D’Angelo songs played as "sleepers," a heartfelt sign-off for an R&B giant.

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4. Personal Growth, Money, and The Trap of Success

[104:38 – 118:28]

• The hosts muse about the psychological and social changes that accompany wealth—how "getting in certain rooms" alters worldviews, especially for Black men who come from modest backgrounds.

  “With every dollar comes expectation.” – Joe Budden [113:23]

• There’s a philosophical discussion on whether freedom comes from options or limitations, with Parks suggesting, "Freedom comes from stability and peace of mind."

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5. Family & Holidays

[74:17 – 77:41]

• Joe gets “caught” by his partner into hosting Thanksgiving, reflecting on the soft power of relationships and the evolution of family priorities with age.

  “Kids around sometime. ...Provide for the kid. Our turn is done.” – Joe Budden [77:15]

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6. Headlines: Akon Divorce, Feminism, and Stephen A. Smith

• Akon’s Divorce and Hiding Money
  Discussed with humor but also analysis; the hosts debate whether it’s ethical or savvy for Akon to store assets under his mother’s name and speculation about the true dynamics of 29-year marriages.

  “With loyalty, if you were there when I had nothing... you get the whole ten.” – Flip [63:17]

• Feminism & Race
  Mark Lamont Hill explains Black feminism's historical trajectory and differences from white liberal feminism.

  “Sometimes the feminism that gets called feminism has never included us.” – Mark Lamont Hill [65:51]

• Stephen A. Smith & Public Persona
  The crew dissects Stephen A.’s recent controversial opinions, their political overtones, and progression from sports commentary to provocative political content.

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7. MTV’s End of an Era

[130:16 – 132:49]

• Brief but pointed discussion about MTV shutting down its music channels. The hosts reminisce about what MTV signified for generations and what, if anything, will replace its cultural role.

  "YouTube has replaced MTV for a very long time." – Flip [131:20]

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8. Identity, Reputation & Self-Perception

[135:38 – 139:44]

• An introspective segment where each host reflects on who they “really are,” the public perception vs. true self, and how honesty and growth shift those lines.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On D’Angelo’s Life:

  “He was a reluctant superstar... Musicians wanted to hurry up what they said… to see him and greet him and speak to him.” – Joe Budden [36:06]

• On Relationship Compromises & Dogs:

  “Yo, you let your girl punk you out of getting the dog you wanted.” – Joe Budden [29:11] “If your partner wants a dog, you’re getting a dog.” – Ice [30:14]

• On Money & Morality:

  “There’s a number where they let you in the room—and there’s expected behavior that comes with admittance.” – Joe Budden [109:03]

• On Family & Change:

  “If you have family, you should do this... your turn is done.” – Joe Budden [77:12]

• On Female Empowerment:

  “Black women can be feminists... it’s that mainstream feminism has never included us.” – Mark Lamont Hill [65:51]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Mary J. Blige’s "Dancery" Lyric Debate: [00:39–02:56]
• Defining "Crunk," Club Antics: [03:34–05:52]
• Joe on Relationship Power Dynamics ("Dog" story): [24:03–31:44]
• D’Angelo Death Tribute and Reminiscence: [32:12–43:09], [165:20–192:44]
• Akon Divorce and Hiding Assets: [53:15–64:31]
• Feminism & Black Identity: [64:43–66:20]
• MTV’s End of Music Television: [130:16–132:49]
• Personal Identity & Self-Reflection: [135:38–139:44]
• Money and Freedom Debate: [104:38–118:28]
• Family Holiday & Aging: [74:17–77:41]

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Song Sleeper Tributes – D’Angelo

• D’Angelo – "Feel Like Makin’ Love" [165:20]
• D’Angelo – "Brown Sugar" [171:44]
• Jizza feat. D’Angelo – "Cold World Remix" [176:08]
• D’Angelo – "Devil’s Pie" [180:54]
• D’Angelo – "Really Love" [186:35]

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Tone & Banter

The mood is fluid: irreverent, thoughtful, and emotionally responsive, with a trademark mix of sincerity and humor. They tease, interrupt, and reveal vulnerabilities, culminating in group moments of reflection and collective grief (for D’Angelo), and frequent, hilarious detours on relationships, family, and the nature of "being a man" in changing times.

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Overall Flow for New Listeners

This episode is an engaging, winding journey through Black music history, pop culture, and the unpredictable patterns of adult life. Come for the laughs and debates on lyrics and end up staying for honest ruminations on love, loss, and legacy. The D’Angelo tribute is not to be missed—raw, real, and resonant for anyone who loved neo soul or has ever lost a cultural hero.

Skip to:

• [32:12] for the D’Angelo tribute & music
• [53:15] for relationship comedy and Akon
• [104:38] for money, growth, and the “trap”
• [135:38] for identity and self-reflection

Avoid:

• [68:00–69:50]: Prize Picks ad
• [193:00–End]: Closing shout-outs, Patreon plugs

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Rest in peace, D’Angelo.
“We are here to celebrate. We are here to celebrate his life.” – Joe Budden [36:47]

Transcript

[Joe Button]

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[Ice]

I'm going to get the lyrics right now.

[Joe Button]

Welcome, welcome, welcome. Hold up. We started.

[Ice]

Yo, that is. Yo, shut up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a fact.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if that's a fact.

[Ice]

No. Okay.

[Joe Button]

We were having a spirited conversation about Mary J. Blige's. What's the name of the record? Family Affair. Family Affair.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause Parks isn't a super big fan.

[Flip]

I am not a fan of that record.

[Ice]

Park says it's all time.

[Flip]

Love Mary. Hate that record.

[Joe Button]

He hates that record.

[Ice]

Two worst songs of all time.

[Joe Button]

Not Mary's. No, no, no.

[Flip]

I didn't say one of the worst. This is one of my least favorite. Oh, there's a difference.

[Ice]

All time.

[Flip]

All time.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I like that song. But I do know the community that hates the song. Yeah.

[Ice]

So it's like a Return of the Mac thing.

[Joe Button]

Then I was like, I love Return of Mac. Mary probably hates that song.

[Flip]

She probably does. Most people hate their, like, biggest hit record kind of thing.

[Joe Button]

So then these guys started talking about the lyrics.

[Ice]

It's dancery.

[Joe Button]

Dancery. Which most of the room hates.

[Ice]

It's horrible.

[Joe Button]

I don't mind it. Cause off the dome. You know what I mean? Listen, we just reached down. We saying some shit that don't make sense.

[Flip]

I'm gonna start referring to every bar and club as the dancery. From now on. We're not going outside to the bar.

[Joe Button]

So I'm not mad that you making some shit up as a dancery. But then our Good Professor Brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill was told.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is based on what I was told from who? Several industry people. No, no, no, no. It's like songwriters connected to this song, not like random people who wrote that song.

[Flip]

You remember?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't remember now. It's been so many. It's been two days. Nah, not.

[Ice]

Not my peoples.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that the original. But then the original lyrics were dance soiree, which makes sense. And S O I R E E ulo accent. And when it was read or performed in the studio.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Flip]

That's not a good lyric also, by the way.

[Joe Button]

Oh, dancery is better than dance.

[Ice]

Is better than dance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no. Mary was not gonna sing that. No, actually, get where dancery came from. Because Mary was gonna be in the booth saying, no, I'm not doing that. It's staying dancery.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Dance soiree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the original reading of the lyric, the theory. You looked it up, the prevailing theory is that when you look at S O I R E E, you might think that is danceoree instead of dansoire.

[Joe Button]

If you think black women can't read. Yeah. And that wasn't the reason you said that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're trying to say the A R could have told her that. The producer could have told her that. Anybody. I'm not blaming Mary. I love Mary.

[Joe Button]

But what I'm saying is that boy back down with it quick.

[Flip]

Because if you thought what flip did.

[Ice]

That nigga got the fuck out of there.

[Joe Button]

They're little big wor.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tricky word. But. But no, I. I think. Yeah, that's why I think it's. I think it was soiree originally.

[Joe Button]

Ain't the line before that, come get crunk. Yeah. Getting crunk at the dance. That's the last place you want to get crunk.

[Flip]

That's exactly where you get croak at, actually.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

You ever seen Sinners?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't think. I never heard the word before. I heard tired.

[Joe Button]

Yo, what do y' all do? What do y' all do when y' all get drunk? Do y' all get crunk? All right, let me change it. I do what do y' all do? What do y' all do when you in the spot and your song comes on parts, you get crunk.

[Flip]

Oh, for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You don't get crunk. This.

[Flip]

That's crunk.

[Joe Button]

That's crunk. It's crunk. Oh, geez.

[Flip]

Culture, man. What the fuck?

[Joe Button]

Same shit, some words. Same shit. And that's why I'm supposed to leave this thing. These fucking tricky words. What do y' all do when y' all are in the spot and your song comes on?

[Flip]

Oh, the arms go up. Shoot air guns, which is sort of like crump. I border a lot of crump.

[Joe Button]

Shoot air guns.

[Ice]

For sure.

[Joe Button]

Air guns.

[Flip]

Even if it's like family affair, that's not really a. I'll get crunk to it, though.

[Ice]

I'll get crunk to that.

[Joe Button]

You get caught. The little J music and all that.

[Flip]

Well, sure, start slam dancing.

[Joe Button]

But white crunk and black crunk is. May be different.

[Flip]

Oh, that's a fact. The music. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

No. When are we talking about that?

[Ice]

White crunk, they start bleeding.

[Joe Button]

I want Mark to answer my damn question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said the air guns I said anything.

[Joe Button]

Is you doing air guns, too?

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hip hop Sl.

[Joe Button]

That's Is. Is. He eats orange peels.

[Ice]

You see me in a. I don't know. It depend on the song I get. I get mad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Question.

[Ice]

Off his R and B joint. A hip hop joint.

[Joe Button]

It all depends. It definitely depends.

[Ice]

March Madness. Come on in the spot. What you doing? What spot?

[Joe Button]

Strip club.

[Flip]

The dancery.

[Ice]

The dance. The dancery.

[Joe Button]

You leaning on the ball.

[Ice]

Yeah. It get a little reaction out of the game.

[Joe Button]

What's the reaction?

[Ice]

It ain't going to be air guns. It's going to be some hyper.

[Joe Button]

Where are you going in the sky?

[Ice]

You throwing gang signs up. What you doing?

[Flip]

The joke in my. The joke in my friend circle is you could tell how drunk I am by how high my hands get.

[Ice]

Yeah, my hands are pretty high when.

[Flip]

March Madness come on.

[Joe Button]

Tall ass white boy Duncan catching oops in the. Yeah, it's like when they came out with a long slinky. This what?

[Ice]

Yo, your little two fingers stick together when you.

[Flip]

Yeah, you're good for that.

[Ice]

This your move.

[Joe Button]

Two fingers. I'm probably just gonna wrap the words to let everybody know that's my rapper elitist. I know all the words to this weird record and you don't. So fuck me.

[Flip]

We had an interesting Joe Button. We had an interesting Joe Button moment speaking of crunk this weekend, and it brought things full circle for me. Remember when we were at that club on Steinway and you were on stage performing Fire, and all the white girls came up and we're going absolutely crazy?

[Joe Button]

Damn right.

[Flip]

I didn't realize it was in Mean Girl until my wife pointed out to me this weekend.

[Joe Button]

You didn't?

[Flip]

No.

[Ice]

What was in Mean Girl?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fire.

[Joe Button]

You didn't even know the legend of me. Really?

[Flip]

I guess I didn't. That little piece. I went under my radar.

[Joe Button]

Fire is in Mean Girls. Fire is in the first episode of Entourage.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Fires in something else, too. That's classic Mean Girls. If it's one thing. Def Jam did put that in some movies. Yeah, movies. Made some money off your back.

[Ice]

I know.

[Joe Button]

And it told me I flopped. They told me I didn't sell any records. That's not a crazy some. Oh, my God. It's a cold game, ain't it?

[Ice]

Anyway, 20 years to get 500,000.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You sticking?

[Joe Button]

If they would have. If somebody would have came in here, I could have slid with that plaque. He'd have been slid, but it was LL So. Black Boy Joy. Black Boy Joy. God damn it. And Def Jam and Mean Girls and Go Rim. Yeah. Go rim. Yeah. Let his ass know.

[Flip]

Yeah. She put me on, she put me on.

[Ice]

What was that club, huh? Classic.

[Flip]

I think it was called Central Something. Yeah, yeah, it's something else now. I forgot what it's called. Now, that was a fun night, though.

[Ice]

That was a high night.

[Flip]

Yeah, it was a good day.

[Joe Button]

Used to go over there and have a time. Young Cuban girl.

[Flip]

Sounds about right.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Flip]

Good times, bodybuilding.

[Joe Button]

Get your shit off. For real. You start learning. Hey, you a bodybuilder, girl, you start learning about yourself. My traps are trolls. I'm attracted to delts.

[Flip]

It be funny when you hit that Explore page and you see all the diesel chicks and then your people's under.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I didn't know that was your bag.

[Ice]

Meet me right there.

[Joe Button]

I'll be under there. Yeah, you do, you do, you do.

[Flip]

I like a fit girl, too, so I'm not.

[Joe Button]

I support the fit girls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like that fit and diesel different.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it is very different. No, she was fit, but she was like a thick fit. Actually, the only girl I remember is mine, so never mind. There we go. Get.

[Ice]

On that.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man.

[Flip]

Chicks were pecs and.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, y'. All. Y' all are silly. Good fall in New York. Yeah, I mean, shout out to the ladies listening out there. Shout out to the bodybuilding chicks. Shout out to the bodybuilding chicks, the yoga chicks.

[Flip]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

The high yoga chicks. Chicks out there with a workout partner, the trainers and all of that. Hey, I mean, on my mellow vibe right now. I'm chilling. I'm chilling right now. Good fall weather. Nice and windy out here. New York, New York fall is upon us. Starving some Mary y y better watch y' all mouth I love mar y better watch y We adore Mary Everything is a dancery, Goddamn it. That's right. More New York. Get out of my computer. Shout out to the first and last time, Listen. Shout out to the subgroups all the patron out there. Come on, man. Come on, man. This is like a roll call in the strip club. Hey. Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hey. Everybody on the road right now. Everybody at work right now. The 9 to 5er. Shout out to the entrepreneurs out there. Hey.

[Ice]

I think I'm busing or whatnot. Trying to get the or whatnot. I ain't with the fussing or whatnot.

[Joe Button]

Talk about how you cussing or whatnot. All right, I'm ready to rock, man.

[Ice]

This a roll call song in the strip club.

[Joe Button]

Yes. This song normally start the. The cash Cobain Sexy, sexy drill shake Ass. Shake ass. But make love. Yeah. I mean, shoot. But be sensual about it. This record starts that in New York. All right, come get to it. Got a great show lined up for y' all today. A peaceful show, too. Yeah. I mean, no suckers allowed. No suckers allowed today. All right. All right, man. Come on, man. Let's go. What's up? What's poppin? What's poppin'? Yeah, this starts all of that in the strip club.

[Ice]

Now that's different.

[Joe Button]

This starts all of that in the strip club.

[Ice]

That's different right there.

[Joe Button]

This starts. That starts all of this when we start. I was ready to start the pod, but it's got me in my bag. Oh, my. All right, come on, let's ride, let's work, let's eat. When is we again? All right, come on, come on, let's eat. You been around some. Come on, let's work, let's eat. Some young teens like your brothers, you mean let's eat. Where that lingo came from?

[Ice]

I slap you.

[Joe Button]

Don't ever talk like that around people. You know, eat is from, like, my era. It don't matter. The way you put it. The way you put it, they adopted it. I know. They taking all the swing. It's a dance, too. So let's eat to eat.

[Flip]

Let's see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do it.

[Joe Button]

Do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, do it.

[Joe Button]

Yo, did you just eat? Yo, what did you just do? Yo, I ain't gonna do it, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did it.

[Joe Button]

Yo. Turn Ezekiel Elliot into a D. And flip, flip, flip, flip. Thank you, guys. Damn me out. What episode is this?

[Flip]

869.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 869 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by by Prize Pitch Practice gang. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, really happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people to my right. Queens get the money. Queens. Flip is in the building next to him. Marcus, are we the only podcast that introduces people every episode? Yes.

[Flip]

I don't know, but I like it.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if I've ever heard another podcast introduce themselves.

[Flip]

They should.

[Joe Button]

They just rely on the little graphic to fly under you on the YouTube.

[Ice]

Never watch the podcast. Yeah, I don't know what the.

[Flip]

You say you never watched a podcast? Zero podcast.

[Ice]

I don't know what them doing.

[Flip]

What.

[Joe Button]

What do y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All do y just be me now?

[Joe Button]

Anyway, our good brother Dr. Vlamont Hill is here with us. You up? Everybody really letting down the educator community. They popped out again.

[Flip]

Look what they've done to Mark about him.

[Joe Button]

These Neanderthals. That's what they say. Look what we've done to Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're right.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Ice]

They don't even know he been dying. You've been suppressing that for all these years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it created. It got created right here.

[Joe Button]

I know. Hey, you educator. Mark is more us than y'. All. I'll tell you that one. Facts. I don't give a how many of them fancy books he wrote or wrote or wrote. Next to them big issues in the building. King Wawa's here. How you doing?

[Ice]

Good day, sir.

[Joe Button]

Great, great, great. Next. Yo, your. Yo, your performance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold up.

[Joe Button]

Round of applause for Ish, your performance.

[Flip]

Grabbing the hoodie.

[Joe Button]

Move. Come on, man, make some noise for Ish grabbing the hoodie. Keeping that ass contained, yo. Now, let me tell you how stupid. Let me tell you how stupid I am. When I saw it on the playback, audience that didn't see we're talking about the Mark Lamont versus Flip tension off they were having. When I saw it in the playback, Ish, I thought you was holding him back.

[Ice]

I was.

[Joe Button]

My girl said, no. He's trying to make sure that his ass is not showing.

[Ice]

Pulling shit down.

[Joe Button]

No, no. We had that debate in the house for, like, 20 minutes. I'm like. She's like, yo, nobody's holding somebody back like that.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

I said, no. He was trying to be cool.

[Ice]

Like, that's a cool way of saying it.

[Joe Button]

Yo, just keep calm.

[Ice]

Nah, I was like, yo, chill. I told him.

[Joe Button]

Chill. Yeah. My girl thinks you was trying to cover plumber bus, which is also.

[Flip]

Both should be applauded.

[Joe Button]

Right out here looking crazy. That's pretty considerate. It's not about him looking crazy.

[Flip]

We don't want to see that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that was interesting, and I want to get back to that. But next to Ish, our good brother Freeze is in the building. I can't wait to see freeze in 10 years, man. He that. That what it gonna be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just like that.

[Joe Button]

That's true.

[Flip]

Nah, I actually have the picture of it. Freeze in 10 years, but I'll wait.

[Joe Button]

Put that together. He gonna look like the Five Percenter Deacon surrounded by.

[Ice]

He got 14 bodies on his jacket. He looked like it now, like he.

[Joe Button]

Was a killer back in the day.

[Ice]

And your beard gonna be white.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

You're gonna look like you' all the way white, though.

[Joe Button]

All the way. Yeah. Big Parks is in the building. Yep. Big Po is here. Corey is here. Hey, he's still smiling. Make some noise for Corey, y'. All.

[Ice]

That's Crazy, you know this thing.

[Joe Button]

A little fool, sir me. Audience that have been keeping up with the show.

[Ice]

He got him.

[Joe Button]

Cory found God and her name is.

[Ice]

Or said, oh, God.

[Joe Button]

Our good brother Corey, he's finally tapping into the softer side of him. Looks like he's falling. He's falling in like you guys. He's falling in love. He's falling in like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Ain't stop smiling since we.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I didn't see him smile for the first nine months I was here. He was smiling.

[Ice]

He's still smiling like that. Look.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He trying not to. He's still smiling.

[Ice]

That's crazy. Yo, you glowing, yo.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he knew that shit.

[Ice]

That nigga said you glowing, but she.

[Joe Button]

Cooked you some spinach.

[Ice]

She made the over the right way.

[Joe Button]

You know, we always make jokes up here, but don't that gotta feel good? When you've been out the dating game for 30 years, you meet every girl you met for the last 30 years. Just felt like tired shoe. It's not a match. It's not gonna work out for me. Maybe I'll just be alone.

[Flip]

I'll just drink water.

[Joe Button]

In the ninth inning, the final hour, you meet someone that's compatible with you, and then you just kiss for three weeks.

[Ice]

You don't use honey, and then you.

[Joe Button]

Use dates, and then you just keep kissing Agave.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Cory don't know how they get to second base these days. He just. He just gets in a way. That's why you're like, man, you guys just cut it out. Like, he just relax. He's not even trying to get involved. Usually Corey walk around, he just, you know, shout out to you, Corey. I saw the. When I was stepping down, he was. He was pulling up, but it's tents on the car, so I ain't see what was going on. But I thought that he would stop, we would talk for him. And that's my man. That nigga just kept driving. That just kept driving on me. His man. So I support what Corey got going on.

[Flip]

I was watching the NLE Chopper interview, and all I could think of was Corey the whole time. But we got crazy.

[Ice]

Hold up. Who was Corey Chopper?

[Flip]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Flip]

Well, yeah, maybe.

[Joe Button]

Actually, I didn't see the interview. What he did did.

[Flip]

He sat down with Kirk Franklin and John Kev on stage. Ray J.

[Joe Button]

It was.

[Ice]

It was some quality conversation.

[Joe Button]

It was.

[Flip]

Yeah, a lot of religious conversations. Really.

[Joe Button]

What? That shit's a trick. When them call the phone.

[Flip]

Conversation, they got a little.

[Joe Button]

He was serious. It's going to be a great conversation. Those are all really Great, guys. But if they call your phone and invite you to that kitchen, Y' all.

[Ice]

Going a thousand percent?

[Joe Button]

Slowly.

[Ice]

I will go thousand percent.

[Joe Button]

It's gonna get deep. They're gonna make it. You religious guy? Ish. Are you a religious guy?

[Ice]

Somewhat. Ray J, Kirk Franklin, Jonathan Majors.

[Joe Button]

You think you could go there and have a family members you don't speak to? Like we let you get that off of here because we just. You think you go up there? Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Seriously, that what that you be saying? What? Seriously.

[Ice]

I know that how you call dog?

[Joe Button]

We just named the names Kirk Franklin, Ray J. Who else is it? John Major. So you know Megan, good. Making coffee somewhere. That's gonna make you be vulnerable, too.

[Ice]

Who else is up in there on stage?

[Joe Button]

I'm sorry. How did Ray J make Barnett too?

[Flip]

I don't want to forget him. He was dope, too. Who? Jay Barnett. Dr. Jay Barnett.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I didn't know Ray J was like religious. Like, how did he make that mix?

[Joe Button]

He seems like Ray J always make the mix. Ray J's in any mix. Yeah, Ray J just want to be mixes. No, I'm not saying wannabe. You said something different. No, no.

[Ice]

He just in.

[Joe Button]

He's there, he's everywhere. A lot of mixes.

[Ice]

That's what they learning about you, Gotch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's in a lot of worlds. Yeah, like, that wasn't. I just didn't know.

[Ice]

I'm saying, like, be more diverse than people. You know, you might show the world one thing that don't mean that's who you are. And they put you in a box.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha.

[Ice]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just knew that was crazy.

[Ice]

Ray J give you that one? And then at the same time, he's hosting the new Long island spinoff. Yeah, like, yeah. Or inspired show bro on Zeus.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it, Got it. Shout out to him for that.

[Joe Button]

Congratulations to you, Cory.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, congratulations.

[Joe Button]

You got our support.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ever want to double date or something?

[Joe Button]

Just keep some lip balm on.

[Ice]

You gang gonna get the meter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's do some double dates. Like some around you. I mean, maybe pie W P wives.

[Joe Button]

I know. I'm a meet her. I done met all the girls he didn't care about on purpose, though. I know I'm meet the one on purpose, though. Oh, Corey was so cute at the super bowl party a few years ago. Made the little girl. Made the poor girl sit in the corner somewhere. Anytime Cory bring a girl he don't know. Cause he been out of the game, been in jail for he do some nut shit that lets you know. All right. We got a lot of work to do on this brother anyway. What's up? Y' all chilling, man.

[Flip]

Chilling.

[Joe Button]

Y' all see the board?

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Y' all see your phones? My news cycle has been nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, first, how was your weekend? Can we ask how people's weekends was?

[Joe Button]

Sure, of course you can.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, I want to know. I didn't. Nothing was special about mine. Would know about y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Flip]

I didn't do much. I worked all weekend, and then the rain scared some off, so I kind of just kept it light.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Okay. See why I stopped asking about the weekend? Yeah. Yeah. None of us did nothing.

[Ice]

Went to a birthday dinner, went to a birthday party.

[Joe Button]

I forget we all watch football.

[Ice]

I did that too. I went to a sweet 16. I went to another birthday party. I got bullied into getting a dog.

[Joe Button]

Huh? Wait, wait. What? I got bullied into getting a dog. How do you get bullied?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Didn't you want a dog for a long time?

[Ice]

I did, and my girl said no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What kind of dog did you want?

[Flip]

That's. What kind of dog did you get?

[Joe Button]

A Rottweiler.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You wanted a Rottweiler?

[Joe Button]

Okay, did you get a Rottweiler? He's supposed to. Wait. Hold up. I got a ritual. Hold on. You wanted a Rottweiler. Your girl said no. So understandably. So what's the compromise?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fast forward a few years.

[Ice]

Pit bull.

[Flip]

You got a pit bull?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Doberman pincher.

[Ice]

I got a something doodle. Elaborate doodle.

[Flip]

You lost that fool.

[Joe Button]

Golden doodle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Something.

[Flip]

If it ends in doodle.

[Ice]

Hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got the wrong dog.

[Ice]

Yeah, if it ends in doodle, me. You a. Yeah, that. That's what I got.

[Joe Button]

A sucker dog. Wait now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did she come to you and say, what kind of dog are we getting? Or did you just come home and.

[Joe Button]

It was a dog? I did not.

[Ice]

My dog look better than that. Ice, don't play with me. No, she was like, yo, such and.

[Joe Button]

Such a selling dog want three grand.

[Ice]

And you like, what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Only three grand?

[Ice]

Dogs ain't cheap.

[Flip]

Dogs are not cheap.

[Joe Button]

Look at the money man eating. Yeah, look at the money man.

[Ice]

I know my man's got dogs if you need a dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not the Newark dog. Three months old, like five fights already.

[Ice]

Yo, he almost seven in the back of the garage.

[Joe Button]

You talking about, yo, girl ain't been dog shopping in a while.

[Ice]

Who? Why?

[Joe Button]

Because if you got three grand, you could go get a dog. You ain't gotta wait for your friend to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ice]

She said they only want Three grand.

[Joe Button]

She was just.

[Ice]

No, she wasn't waiting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm like, no, what he's saying is that's not a discount. That's not a discount. You can go to store and get that the whole time.

[Joe Button]

People that have that story.

[Ice]

That's not true. Tell me how much some of these dogs be? 4,500. 5 and 6.

[Joe Button]

Yes. You are right about that.

[Ice]

A lot of these dogs are highest. Giraffe, coochie, bro. Them three grand is a decent number.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, this is a class conversation. Because, like, some people, 3,000. The difference between 3 and 4,500 isn't enough to go get a street dog. But for you, you said. I get what you're saying.

[Ice]

No, I'm just saying, like, if a grand is five grand. If a dog costs five grand and somebody said, yo, I could get a dog for three grand, you like, oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

They lied to me.

[Ice]

I don't want that shit for 1500, I was cool, but.

[Joe Button]

So you end up buying a dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did she show you the dog? Wait, hold up. Did she show you what kind of dog it was before you agreed?

[Ice]

She just walked in with you? She showed me the picture of the dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And was this a. A situation where you had the opportunity to agree, or was she just informing you that the dog was coming?

[Ice]

I think it was a little bit of both.

[Joe Button]

That means she made the decision.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the answer.

[Ice]

I got bullied, my nigga.

[Joe Button]

Like, I got bullied.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she paid with it using your.

[Joe Button]

Card or you paid for it?

[Ice]

No. So I think she lied to me for keeping it a buck. Cause I was like, no, three. You crazy. So then she hit me like two weeks later and was like, yo, the lady said we can have it for free. She just want the baby to have the dog. And I'm like, oh, word? I think she paid for that dog.

[Joe Button]

On me, that dog was paid for.

[Ice]

So then I'm like, yo, dog, who gonna watch the dog? It's like having another. You, you.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Ice]

Basically, it's like having another kid that's your dog. Oh, I know. This shit is different. So I'm like, yo, then Cage came, travel all my. You spent like a thousand dollars in accessories the first week.

[Flip]

You got the little pee pads in the house, all that, everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like having. Yeah, it's like having a newborn.

[Ice]

It's like having a child, B. Little.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You in love with that dog already. I can tell you why you said it.

[Joe Button]

I love his.

[Ice]

It ain't like a newborn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That dog ain't gonna do shit for me.

[Flip]

Kittens are pretty bad, but a dog.

[Ice]

Dogs are worse that. Man. I have this fight all the time. The burglar come in, he gonna steal the door.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but now you should be able to get your Rottweiler.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Ice]

No, my house ain't big enough, really, for a Rottweiler. In another. You missed the point. We not getting a Rottweiler.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was never.

[Joe Button]

Maybe like a pit hole or a.

[Flip]

Little Frenchie or something.

[Ice]

I'll put my foot down. I can get any horse if I want.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kick.

[Ice]

No, I could. I'm. I'm. I'm going get one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just. Okay, do me. Just let us know when you get that. When you get that Rottweiler.

[Flip]

N. Get a second dog. Yeah, that's a compromise. That's how I ended up with two cats.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how you going to end up with two Labradoodles.

[Joe Button]

Y.

[Ice]

Oh, man. Your brain just racing.

[Joe Button]

I'm want to.

[Ice]

Your brain just racing.

[Flip]

Yo, you want a what?

[Joe Button]

A main coon?

[Flip]

Them sh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are fire.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I want what.

[Ice]

I'm talking about what we boom.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all bait me again.

[Joe Button]

What's the name of the cat?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I see what's happening here.

[Joe Button]

A main coon cat.

[Flip]

They got the big main. Like a. Like a lion.

[Joe Button]

Come on, man.

[Flip]

Sort of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It gets big.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Fire.

[Ice]

I don't like cats, but they look.

[Joe Button]

You got to look it up, Mark. It gets like this big. You don't have the space for a rot wallet.

[Ice]

I don't get no rot wallet. How much space he got?

[Joe Button]

Thank you. Freeze.

[Ice]

She already said no. That's it.

[Flip]

You got a yard.

[Joe Button]

What a. You let your girl punk you out of getting the dog you wanted and then turned around and got the dog she wanted and got the free dog sitter, too. Dog walker, everything. And I want to laugh at him. But the very same thing happened to Ian with that dog that they got. Tice, Dobby. And then it happened to my dad with the dog that they got.

[Ice]

It happened to Ice with two dogs.

[Joe Button]

It happened to me when I got a dog. I done bought dogs for a few girls and seen them let the dogs just deteriorate and die when the relationship ended. Oh, shit. Girls don't give a fuck about dogs.

[Ice]

Why you ain't take the dog, huh? Why ain't take the dog?

[Joe Button]

I had dogs. How many dogs you want me to have? You gotta compromise relationships. Ish. I think you.

[Ice]

I know the one. I know one of the ones compromised, too. Yeah, that ain't compromise. You just got Bitched.

[Joe Button]

You talking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I'm not allowed to have a dog, so. But.

[Ice]

But look, you said you're not allowed to have a dog. If she decide tomorrow she want a dog, guess what?

[Flip]

You got a dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got a dog.

[Ice]

That's how I go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how I go. Now, Joe, you're about to shift your domestic situation a little bit. At some point, y' all going to be living together.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you allowed to have a dog?

[Joe Button]

Well, she has a dog.

[Flip]

Oh, there you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you allowed to have a dog?

[Joe Button]

I'm allowed to do whatever the I want to do. Yeah, you talk. You know how you think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, again, you hear it, right? Let us know when you get the Labrador.

[Joe Button]

I'm not in them little talks that y'. All. You in worst talks. You know who the you talking to. You in worst talks. Yes, I put my foot down over this. No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Ice]

And then when you fell through the.

[Joe Button]

Cotton candy, you just kept going through the loop. The bubble wrap is you talking to.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, when. When. When my girl moves up here, I'll have a house. And when I have a house, I'll entertain and get a dog. Fire. What time you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ask?

[Joe Button]

Ask who? Her. Her.

[Ice]

The producer.

[Joe Button]

Entertain. Y trying to troll me. We not trolling you.

[Ice]

We know how it go.

[Joe Button]

We all know how it go. There's nothing to ask. She has a dog, Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But her dog will come. She wants her dog to come. The question.

[Joe Button]

Come on, Bentley. Yeah.

[Ice]

You ain't getting no Rolls Royce.

[Joe Button]

Yo, the troll in me. If. If the woman has a small dog, I have to get a mastiff. Seriously? No. Yeah, my brain just work like that.

[Ice]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Joe Button]

And they fuck around, end up getting along, be the best of friends, but just the guy in me. If you got that to be representative of your little Paris Hilton Yorkie in the Louis duffel, then I need a man. I'm going to get a Tonka truck. I need a mastiff in here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We hear you, and we just don't think that's happening.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's all we say.

[Joe Button]

We just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good luck with that. Let me know how that works.

[Ice]

Sound good? Mastiff gonna be asking master.

[Joe Button]

What y' all want. What y' all want to kick it about, what y' all want to talk about?

[Flip]

I don't know if we should start with the dark. That's going on the timeline.

[Joe Button]

Ooh, it's heavy.

[Flip]

It seems to be somewhat confirmed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been confirmed. Yeah, I've since we've been talking here. I've been talking to some other people.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been confirmed that d' Angelo has passed away.

[Joe Button]

God damn it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

One of the greats.

[Flip]

One of the absolute greats.

[Ice]

51 years old.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

51 years old. Reportedly of cancer. After a struggle with cancer, d' Angelo has passed away. A lot of people have sort of wondered where he's been and why he hasn't been more visible. And people have been waiting for music. And this is a reminder about why we shouldn't be doing that all the time. Cause you don't know what's going on in people's lives. You don't know what's going on in people's worlds. But he passed away. And there will be better tributes, better obituaries than what we can do today. Cause we're all finding out in real time. And a lot of people are reeling from this. But d' Angelo's one of the greats. Most people know him for his three super important albums. Brown Sugar being really one of the forerunners of the neo soul era. If there's an album that. That defines 90s soul in R and B, for me, it's that. And it's a special album for all the reasons that we can talk about later. And then five years later, Vudu came out. Voodoo and Vudu, for many people, was the high point of his artistry. Not for everybody, but regardless, it was an amazing album.

[Flip]

It's one of the best albums of the last however many years you wanna.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Put on, I would say. Exactly. And the genius of it is, again, d' Angelo's always ahead of the curve. He's never following trends. He's setting trends. And the way that he fuses R and B and jazz and soul. His vocal phrasing, Hip hop. Hip hop, of course. Yeah. And also his musicianship. When you talk to people like Questlove, who's one of his closest friends, and somebody who almost started off like, I'm not even gonna perform on Brown Sugar because I'm not into 90s soul, to saying, oh, wait, this dude is a genius. This is one of the greats. Somebody like him will be able to really get into the nuance. But, I mean, he was a genius. And that's also the moment where he became a sex symbol. There were a lot of people.

[Joe Button]

I was about to say, you named all that shit. And left out and taking his shirt off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How about I say, I know that's when you entered the frame.

[Joe Button]

If you had a girlfriend around 01 and a TV with BET. It was tough.

[Flip]

Yeah. He started doing some sit ups.

[Joe Button]

Exactly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you had that little V showing, Right. Girls at the bottom of the screens, they can scroll and shit. Yeah. And how does it feel? Obviously it's the song we're talking about. One of the most innovative videos of all time. In a moment where he became a sex symbol in a reluctant sex symbol symbol. He was somebody who wasn't comfortable with all of that attention and being, you know, sort of framed in that way. Partly because of his different experiences growing up, from the church to his body image stuff. But through it all, he continued to fight and he continued to create. And it was a big gap between that and Black Messiah album, which was 14 years later for me. That was a masterpiece. But beyond the music. Cause I think there's a lot there. He was a human being with a child. He was somebody who people loved. His co parent, Angie Stone, just died last year. So we're sending love to their child as well.

[Joe Button]

And just a cool, all around cool dude. Like, if you're from the New York area, you may have bumped into d' Angelo for sure. In the street, in the bowling alley. D' Angelo was just a cool dude. Dude. Anytime I saw him. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Same, same, same. And I think that's what I always appreciated about him. There's some people who are geniuses who want you to know they're geniuses and who walk through the world like, I'm the greatest. And he was the opposite. He was a reluctant superstar. He was a hero to a lot of us musically. But he was just an everyday dude that liked to do everyday stuff.

[Joe Button]

And he was loved to that point. Right. Like, and I think the people gave him that. Like, anytime I saw him, anytime there was a lineup of performers in a New York area and he was on the bill.

[Flip]

Oh yeah, it's packing up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It was like LeBron or Jordan or somebody. That's how the musicians looked at him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

When he was on the lineup, he was an artist. Artist. Musicians wanted to hurry up what they said. And I'm talking about legendary acts to see him and greet him and speak to him. This is before Black Messiah. This is when the mystique of it. So d', Angelo, just what he did for my childhood, what he did for the 90s, Neo Soul, the musicians all around the world. Thank you. Like, thank you for your service. 51 is so young. That's so young. So, so young. But we here to celebrate. We here to celebrate his life. 51 years. You got 51 of them things. Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

And lived it to. To the fullest.

[Joe Button]

And did it. And did it. He did it. He didn't. Play some goddamn d', Angelo, man. Play a little bit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You remember. You. Y' all know. You know, you will know. You know, that was the first song he produced and wrote. Remember this? The 90s hit. Really? Yeah, that was his first. He produced and wrote that.

[Ice]

I did not know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

His.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't. He was behind the scenes on so many amazing projects that people don't know about from. You will know all the way up to this more recent stuff, man. He's again legend.

[Joe Button]

Let's get a little bit, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it.

[Joe Button]

Hey, recipes. D'. Angelo. Rest in peace, Angie Stone.

[Ice]

Because I want you to know.

[Joe Button]

I mean, real quick, real quick, man.

[Flip]

We need to.

[Joe Button]

We need to just real quick for the legend, man. My heart goes out to Pre. Everybody that was blessed enough to know d'. Angelo. Word. Hey.

[Ice]

From here.

[Joe Button]

Yummy shout. All the parents out there. Yeah. I mean, just tell this up and catch a groove with us real quick. Ego. Hey. Thank God we got this version since Smokey out there wilding the cleaning ladies. Yo. What do you put it like that? No, for real, cuz. Sometimes the slaps gotta die when you. I mean, but get in trouble. Yes. This one gonna stay. Hey, d', Angelo, good luck in my j. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Smokey.

[Joe Button]

Yummy. Call up your ex. That was one of the neo soul chicks, man. Reminisce real quick. Nope.

[Ice]

Them hairy underarm chicks got that fox.

[Joe Button]

You all right, I'm starting, I'm starting, I'm starting, I'm starting, I'm starting. I promise. It go. All right, man. What topic we getting into? Y' all figure it out. Y' all figured out.

[Ice]

Energy.

[Flip]

Yeah, he keep it going.

[Joe Button]

Word. Yeah, he got him. He in his. He in his bag. Hey, yeah. I mean, no. Got light went up out there. Got. Pull something up out there for d' Angelo right quick.

[Ice]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

This might be the first time we ever just caught a groove real quick. Like in the beginning of the pod. Feel good, though.

[Flip]

Supposed to.

[Joe Button]

We coming, we coming. I promise, I promise. Here you go. Light is in the sky. Light is in the sky. Hey, are you sleeping with my woman? Hey, why you doing that? Now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute.

[Joe Button]

Ego. Believe you never heard this. All right, I never heard. I got you. I got you. Don't worry about you. Stop touching me. This ain't make it to Jamaica. Hey, all right, come on. We got a great show lined up for Y', all today, I promise, cuz I could keep this going for like five to ten more minutes and have a blast. I won't though. We got a job to do. Just do show. We got a job to do. We got a job to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

God damn it.

[Joe Button]

Oh, oh. Now we bugging now. All right. Turn this off. Yeah. Paul's crying, tearing up, man. You good, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Paul. Nah, don't understand that. Yeah, d' Angelo was really him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was.

[Joe Button]

There's a lot of people out there pretending to be him. Him. He was that, that's why he was really, really, really that he was really him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When we was having that R B conversation and ranking people and people just start saying. And no disrespect to Maxwell, because I love Maxwell, but when people just throwing names and putting them on tears, they're not the same. They might look the same on the surface. Dangerous is genius.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

An actual genius. And I think people don't, don't appreciate that. And I hate that it takes sometimes moments like this for people to really appreciate.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. The music world takes a, takes a hit to tonight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Takes a huge loss. Huge loss. Our prayers, prayers today. Family, fans, thoughts, condolences.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

All of that and again, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for, for your service is just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I, I, I'm glad to hear your dog story. No, no, no, because I was frustrated with you because you left me hanging on Sunday.

[Flip]

Wow, how did y' all ever play the spades game?

[Joe Button]

No, anyway, no, he said that's not even bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Plus after Friday, I think, you know, I need, I need a little JBP break. I need 72 hours.

[Flip]

You want to get your ass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you supposed to help me find Mexicans, man.

[Joe Button]

Excuse me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So what happened? No, so I got, I got suckered in the movie. My mother in law was moving this weekend and I was asked to come over to help. I thought help meant like, you know, pack this box up, tape this box up. Suddenly they start pulling out dressers and like chests and cabinets, like old lady shit. Shit that's been there for 70 years.

[Flip]

The big shit with all the plates in it and all that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly, exactly. And it was just me.

[Flip]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I needed some backup. And I see your eyes moving, like, why the fuck would you call ish.

[Joe Button]

I get it.

[Ice]

This n like, yo, you left me.

[Joe Button]

My eyes are like, like, what the does mother in law moving have have to do with me?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, because I he different.

[Joe Button]

Holy friends. This is different. Hey, granny. Hey.

[Flip]

Best of luck.

[Joe Button]

Hey, that arm one won't move itself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, marriage is going to be great for you. You going to nail this.

[Ice]

Hold on.

[Joe Button]

My girl is 51.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got like 30 years. I'm chilling.

[Joe Button]

Oh, and I'm joking. And I'm joking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm joking.

[Joe Button]

I'm joking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm joking.

[Joe Button]

My girl. My girl mother m sound a joke, Idiot. Go ahead.

[Ice]

She got the new school furniture.

[Joe Button]

Sh got that old house.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I called Ish because I was like, not that you going to lift it for me, but I figured you would. Some of your. Your employees could come on short notice and help me, help me lift.

[Joe Button]

So what happened?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't answer. He sent me the voicemail four times and then eventually he said he's at a sweet 16, so I understand he's handling. And then now I realize you're a dog sitting too, so I understand that. So I went to the local U Haul.

[Flip]

Okay, that seems reasonable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And found some people out there.

[Joe Button]

Sure. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sent them in an Uber. I couldn't put them in the car.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Wait, what nigga? Oh, you had somebody in the car with you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had my son. Oh, I'm gonna pick up two complete strangers and put them in my car.

[Flip]

Plus your son would probably drive them in your car.

[Joe Button]

Crazy. You'll have them in your mother.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Also they would be like for the.

[Joe Button]

Safety of the workers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When I went back is better than this, my brother.

[Joe Button]

Plus you got a nice car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you say?

[Joe Button]

And plus you got a nice car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't that. I'm not.

[Flip]

It's only so many movers you can stuff in a Porsche.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But apparently you can't get Mexicans after a certain time at U Haul. No, no, let me be clear. There are workers out there who are looking for day work. Most of them are from Central America. And so I was like. But I didn't know where to go because it's not my hood.

[Ice]

Oh, sure, yeah, it's not my hood neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but you're Mr. Ish, so I was gonna drop your name anyway. Anyway, I found some West African workers who were two dope brothers who I put in the Uber sent over there to move all this shit. They moved it in like an hour flat.

[Joe Button]

Nice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The question is, how much would you have paid? How much is that worth to you? Cause I don't wanna exploit them, but I also don't wanna pay U Haul rates or like professional moving rates. How much should I have given them? Cause when I asked them how much I would've given. Asked for, they said, just give Us what you think this is worth.

[Ice]

Hate that.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Flip]

That does make it really tricky.

[Ice]

I hate that.

[Joe Button]

I don't accept that. I don't even let nobody tell me that.

[Ice]

Yo, let me ask you a question. Did they really just work for an hour?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And they carried the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was heavy, though.

[Ice]

But the is. You didn't have to do it. You get what I'm saying? Like, it depends on what it's worth to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Ice]

I would have gave him a buck and a half a piece.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A buck and a half a piece.

[Flip]

I would have gave him 250 each.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At least 250 each.

[Ice]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice. Ice is like, you want to stay in this country?

[Joe Button]

Oh, double entendre. Don't ask him how. My name is Ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice. Give it three. Mr. Ice is different.

[Ice]

It wouldn't have been 250. Would.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What would it have been?

[Ice]

Just an hour, $70.

[Joe Button]

It might have got three.

[Ice]

300 total?

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what you said.

[Joe Button]

Maybe 200 total around there. From three to 400. Yeah. I would have gave him two each.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got one more person, Cory. I got to know what Cory would do. How much would you gave?

[Flip]

Cory would have looked that himself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true, girl. Watch this. How much did you gave him?

[Joe Button]

Probably an hour, a buck a piece.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. I. My old head, my uncle was, yo.

[Joe Button]

You'Re not down to exploit nobody. Let him say, yo, how much you gave?

[Ice]

He might have gave $80.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, my uncle told me to give him 50 a piece.

[Joe Button]

Okay, I'm gonna move on from there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I felt guilty. No, no, I didn't give him that. I gave him a Cory. I gave him 100 a piece. But then I started. My uncle said this, said like 50. They kind of heard him and looked up and they didn't speak a lot of English, but they heard that. And I was like, no, we can't do that. So I drove to ATM and I gave him. Yeah, I gave him 100. I gave him 100 a piece. And I was feeling a little bit bad. I should have given him like 200. But hearing y' all talk, 100 was at least in the range.

[Joe Button]

Mark, you gotta talk to Jesus about this shit.

[Ice]

This motherfucker.

[Joe Button]

I drove.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, like, how much you pay for?

[Flip]

You know, I appreciate you breaking the really sad moment.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Also. I was trying to changelo.

[Joe Button]

He's so cute. He did great. He did great. Thanks. Thank you for that. Go mom in law. You don't have nobody with a mother. A mother in law is just funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Too but, oh, you don't have nobody like your friends or. I know friends probably don't call you for, like, that.

[Joe Button]

Mark, we've established that I'm on the opposite side of you in this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not the money.

[Joe Button]

Fans think that I'm going be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't talking about money. I'm talking about in terms of just helping. Like. Like when friends call you stop lying.

[Joe Button]

You're not hearing who.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop doing that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's not true.

[Flip]

Joe is not helping someone move.

[Joe Button]

You. That's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

Helping you move. He's not helping you move, though.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, none of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was he like that before. Before he was like, rich, not helping you move.

[Ice]

Bro's not helping you.

[Joe Button]

You sitting there not moving.

[Ice]

That nigga's not helping you move some.

[Joe Button]

Bread to get somebody to move.

[Ice]

I don't know about all that. He's not helping.

[Joe Button]

He's making it seem like he don't help friends at all. I'm just talking about in terms of me having to get out of my bed and leave my house to do something for a loved one. Like, I wanted to stop Mark's story When Ish said I was at a sweet 16, I wanted to hear about that, but he kept going. I was like, all right, I ain't gonna be the asshole here who the turn 16 that we love, man. No, for real. I know your kid's age. Who? Who?

[Ice]

One of my people's daughter turned 16.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, that's too far.

[Joe Button]

That's fine. No, that's fine. I'm saying for me, for y', all, the girl dad's gonna see. Y' all gonna see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't even waste the email.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Anyway, Holy angry. Sweet 16 is a big deal, too. It is, it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I went to my girl K. Sweet 16, sat over in the corner looking stupid.

[Ice]

I got a sweet.

[Joe Button]

Dumbest. Nothing happened.

[Ice]

I got a funny sweet 16.

[Joe Button]

With your hands. I know you do, because they got it.

[Ice]

No, this is about the pot. I wasn't gonna tell it. So a girl comes up to me and she says, yo, just want to tell you I'm sorry. I said, huh? So the sweet 16, the girl, her dad, the sister came up to me and said, yo, I'm a big fan of the pod. I watched the pod. I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't really feeling you. So I started laughing. She said, yo, but now I'm watching you and your girl. And after the Dr. Umar episode, I wasn't really feeling you, but I see your girl is for the people Holy Shit. Say it loud.

[Joe Button]

I'm making. I'm proud.

[Ice]

I was crying in there.

[Joe Button]

I said what she said, yo.

[Ice]

Holy. Watch how your girls just interacting. And, yo, and this is my.

[Joe Button]

My brother.

[Flip]

What was she doing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What was she doing?

[Joe Button]

Big normal.

[Ice]

Yo, notice my brother, and I know.

[Joe Button]

He love y', all, and so if he love you, yo, but I'm just.

[Ice]

Watching your door is amazing. And your girl, yo, like, I'm like, okay. She like, stop playing.

[Joe Button]

I'm serious.

[Ice]

I'm like, yo, me too. I was just like, yo, that's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do people expect your girl to.

[Ice]

Be like, dog, I have no idea. But I was just. I'm like, oh, all right, cool. That was funny.

[Joe Button]

It's also. We continue to be tricked. The bar is like, this girl is handing out some meatballs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She's not her own business.

[Ice]

I was like, yo, people are crazy.

[Joe Button]

Holy. Okay, what else needs our attention?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of people's girls.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Aon, sadly, maybe I don't know, is getting divorced. Oh, no. Unfortunate going on. 29A was married.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Oh, yo, some of y' all out there. I know. Be no knowing. You got to tell me when y' all married.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, you'd only been married for 29 years.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. One of those African marriages.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The secret.

[Joe Button]

Oh, it's one of those African marriage.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. So he's. In fact, the. The anniversary of the 29th wedding anniversary was the day they filed for divorce.

[Joe Button]

Huh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That's fire.

[Flip]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

That's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And she filed.

[Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She filed. It gets more fire. She's suing for $100 million.

[Flip]

Did you say how many?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

$100 million. Yeah, according to reports.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

According to reports.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you got that right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What we know for sure is that they're getting divorced. What we know for sure is that she wants a lot of money. You know, eight figure, nine figures. And what we know for sure so far, based on reports, is when they did an investigation of the account to find out how much money he had, there was $10,000 in the checking account. Only apparently all of the money is in his mama name. It's in accounts and money and companies tied to his mother, not to them. So she. She's basically saying, I don't have any money. And what was interesting to me about this, in addition to being like, damn, that's a hell of an outcome, is how many people on the Internet are like, like, celebrating it. They, like. They're giving him, like, standing ovations for this shit. Like, Gotcha like. And I see from the looks of y' all faces, it seems like y' all might have been in among. Y' all ain't shit, man.

[Joe Button]

That's crazy, son. Ice, you gotta work on your shit too. That look like what Elon Musk did. Yo, stop just saying work on it. Elbow up a little bit more, please. You know what I'm saying? Don't do it from the head. Don't shoot from down here. Very important. Big difference. Very different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Since you giving the standing salute. What do you. Let's go.

[Joe Button]

Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do you say about it? Why?

[Ice]

Found a loophole in the system.

[Joe Button]

He missed the loophole.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, Freeze.

[Flip]

Freeze does love a loophole.

[Joe Button]

Y' all all love a loophole. Nah, not like you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, See, Freeze, this one. I'm surprised by you a little bit on this one.

[Ice]

Talk to me.

[Flip]

You are a feminist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but he loves. I know how important relationships are to you and loyalty is to you. So I can't imagine that if you were with somebody for 30 years, built a life, got a kid, your whole career happened while you were with this person. Not like last year, but 29 years. We didn't know where your account was 29 years ago that you would want them to only have access to $10,000.

[Flip]

Five.

[Joe Button]

Five.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Obviously.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ice]

Obviously he saw something that made him make that move. So he might have got wind or whatever, however she was trying to move. Oh, you know what? Let me protect myself. In case he did. He did a post marriage prenup.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe now he could. Now, to be clear, we don't know if he's been doing that for all 30 years.

[Ice]

That's crazy.

[Flip]

What about the guy that is seemingly very successful and wealthy, that still wears DRIO on major platforms and he wasn't gonna be smooth with some money and.

[Ice]

Give out the fake hublo.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like he's got. He's gotten over over on the likes of far, far more people than just her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I remember Aon City in Ghana when he's raising money.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

He getting that money. I think your wife deserves.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing a.

[Ice]

Fair compensation if they were married 30 years. Bro, you got to think like he's really had a meteoric rise in the last 30 years.

[Joe Button]

Years.

[Ice]

So I. I can't say that she in some way shape or form did not play a part in that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Now, I don't know if she necessarily deserves half of his money, how much ever money he has, but if she's suing him for a hundred. That means she thinks or knows he has a couple hundred million dollars. He was rumored to have been given a billion dollars. But he came up here.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And talked about the agent people gave him some money.

[Flip]

That he said in that interview in.

[Joe Button]

Particular, I believe one word that Aon has ever said. I'm just saying.

[Ice]

No, no, no. I'm just saying. But she would know.

[Joe Button]

Yo, he. He might be the only guest that's ever been up here where I didn't believe nothing that he had to say. And that's my man too. That's my man. Some could be your man. And you just. You just know they lying.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I love my friends that lie. I think they're the most entertaining friends.

[Joe Button]

They're the best friends. If you know that they. They're liars. And they lie.

[Flip]

Correct.

[Joe Button]

It's not. It is.

[Ice]

Yes, it is.

[Joe Button]

And they try to get over the straight face. Your friends that lie are more entertaining than your friends.

[Ice]

1000%.

[Joe Button]

By far. They are. By far. You don't have a friend that can with me. You don't have one friend that can with me.

[Ice]

And lying?

[Joe Button]

No. In entertainment.

[Ice]

Oh, I thought you said lying.

[Joe Button]

You're lying friends versus your friends that don't lie. Lie. What? What? What side are you on? I'm on the lion side.

[Ice]

The lion side is way more interesting.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. We entertain on this side.

[Ice]

Especially when you know they lying.

[Joe Button]

I'm sorry, buddy. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What side are you on? What front are you in?

[Ice]

Yo, that be annoying. My would the just be sitting there lying and you know they lying.

[Joe Button]

That's what make it funny.

[Flip]

That's what makes it great.

[Joe Button]

Horrible, by the way. So you the lying friend.

[Ice]

No, you crazy.

[Joe Button]

You keep it real to the source.

[Flip]

This is honorable. You're not going to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you call them out when they lie or you just watch the show?

[Ice]

No, they lie so much you can't say nothing. Cuz you going to friendship into it.

[Joe Button]

Yes, me too. Play into it. Me too. Oh, for real? What next? You for did what?

[Ice]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Joe Button]

You got to hear this story. You got hilarious. What about when the lion still ain't catch on?

[Ice]

What about when the lion friend put you in?

[Joe Button]

They lies all the time. Amani lie about nothing. Him. He said let him lie. Like for real. You need my help. I don't like it. Yo. You're a fool, son. My man. Don't talk about my man. That's you, you fool. Even if he lied, we accept It. No, it's the best lies. His lips start to twitch when he lied. He be like, I got a girl. How is she? She's fine. She's black.

[Flip]

We sat up here and told us we've never met a girl. For a new.

[Joe Button]

He takes the crown. But you gotta know that. But you gotta know that. That's my man. Don't talk about him neither.

[Flip]

Never.

[Joe Button]

I slide one of y' all if y' all talk about my man. Only us could talk about him anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So if Akon is this trash, right? Not trash. If he's this much of a liar and y' all have this much skepticism.

[Joe Button]

No, you can't get 100 million kick rocks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I'm just saying, like, I wouldn't assume you should know. No, what I'm saying is I wouldn't assume that she's the one making an angle here, if anything. Cause to Ice's point that, you know, he saw how she was moving and did it. I'm thinking, no, it's more likely he's been hiding money the whole time.

[Ice]

Got everything in my mama name.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What'd he say?

[Ice]

That's the song. He heard the words.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Man, that's fucked up. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

The government gonna find out the same thing when they try to take puff shit. They think they gonna get something. You just watch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I talked to some lawyers about this, Jessica. I was just curious to know, like, how this plays out. And they said that a lot of times when you send money that way or hide money that way, it is retrievable. So just don't. So don't everybody think they can just go put money in their mama name. You can't get it back. Because a lot of times that's a back door hood move we do. Thinking we avoid sharing. But you might still have to share it.

[Joe Button]

Well, my mom owns my business with me. Mine too now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the.

[Joe Button]

You know, it's like n. My mom owns my business now. Your mom owns a bit more than. Than mine. You looked out for mom. I did too, but the decimals.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flip. Let me ask you, because you've been married a long time.

[Flip]

I have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you've been married before you were you.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is like similar to the Akon situation.

[Flip]

You are very similar to Akon now.

[Joe Button]

We think about it.

[Flip]

Gone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not on my man Flip.

[Ice]

I wasn't saying. I was correcting him.

[Joe Button]

I got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, enough. Enough, Flip.

[Joe Button]

Thank you.

[Flip]

Hold me there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, we'll talk about it offline. Again.

[Joe Button]

Question about me married. I've Been married.

[Ice]

You know, if. If you. If you, God forbid, broke up with your wife, you will give your wife everything she deserves.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Ice]

You talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think ICE would too.

[Ice]

You talk about all the time how your wife held you down when you ain't having nothing.

[Joe Button]

I dare you say something. How dare you try to imply broke. I broke up now. I dare you try to imply that I broke up now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I slap you.

[Joe Button]

That's not what I'm doing. I'm not making no faith about your wife.

[Ice]

I'm listening.

[Joe Button]

I'm just listening right now. Tell your mom. Hey, he ain't he outside. Yes. I'm only listening. Okay, okay. What's your question? I'd say. I'm sure that that's what he would do. Jew, you said I'm sure that's what all we offered honorable men up here. Of course we will leave our wives dust. You want to move back to Queens, girl? God, you better do a shared. She talk about she want to go into a shared room. Dad, I don't give a. Go back to your quality of life before me. Goddamn licking up me down too much. You right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's how I feel about.

[Joe Button]

I had. I had nothing and she held me down. So yeah, that's the best time to do it, I think. I. Cuz I didn't believe in karma at first, but I do. Karma is a thing. Yeah.

[Flip]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Button]

If I was on my lap and you saved me, held me down when nobody was there and then I sh.

[Flip]

You can have the whole 10.

[Joe Button]

You do the whole thing.

[Ice]

Look, look, I'mma hustle.

[Joe Button]

I could get it back. Get you a nice watch too. Holy. Oh man, the kids too. That's watching, so I wouldn't leave it like that.

[Ice]

Now, of course we joking. Maybe not half.

[Joe Button]

Maybe a little 20%. But you know this nigga crazy half. She'll get. She'll get whatever she needs. Can they still have kids?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think so.

[Ice]

Yo, they've been married for 30, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. That's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

What you talking about?

[Joe Button]

All right. Depending on when you met them, I guess.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they kid. The oldest is 17, so if I remember correctly. So there's no child support. There's not a lot of child support to think about. It's really just about what you want to. What you want your other person to have. I just couldn't imagine hiding.

[Joe Button]

Akon got over on Ghana because she in Africa. This young lady didn't stand a chance a shot. Now she was down with him like she was there for 30 years. She knew all that that was going.

[Ice]

On, which means she know how much Spanky got.

[Joe Button]

Exactly.

[Ice]

I don't have that much.

[Joe Button]

Sorry audience. But child support topics really r us up up here. Wonder why not? Child support, wife support, Child support. Yeah, same. Any support.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Women are children.

[Joe Button]

Any type of support for women.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Seems.

[Joe Button]

To really R us up. Holy go. No, no. Are we done with the acon topic?

[Ice]

Cu, they have a question.

[Joe Button]

I'm done with a mark. Quick question. Can a black woman be a feminist? Cause I heard that feminism was a white woman's back in the 1800s, right? Cause there's an argument online about black women being feminist, How a black woman can't be a feminist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, black women can be feminist. There's different types of feminism, and I think a lot of black women think about feminism in different ways. And sometimes white liberal feminism is only focused on. On white issues. So like the original and the suffrage movement, the right for women to get the right to vote was largely for white women. It didn't include black women.

[Ice]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is why it's Sojourner Truth on black and our woman. Exactly. So that was that. But over time. Yeah, you know, that's one of the issues now is that a lot of times, like, where are white women at? When shit has happened to black women, when black women are getting kidnapped in Africa, this should be a feminist issue. When black girls can't get access to reproductive care, where the feminists. When people are dying around the world, where the feminists at? So sometimes it's like, it's not that black women can't be feminist. It's that the type of feminism that gets called feminism has never included us. And so a lot of. There's a lot of great, brilliant black women feminists who have stood up to speak back against that, and that's what they be trying to do.

[Joe Button]

Got it. That boy work?

[Flip]

Good boy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he good. I had to ask him.

[Ice]

Yeah, he had that shit on him.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he know about it. Anytime it come to that. Oh, men getting pregnant or whatever. He on his.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

About four months.

[Joe Button]

He quick look at Joe. He don't care. I love this guy. Black feminism.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was. I was.

[Joe Button]

I was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, we can let. I kept looking up like, we gonna.

[Joe Button]

I can answer this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, we gonna let this rock.

[Joe Button]

Look at this nigga face. There was an argument about it, and I wanted to know, first of all, what you saying is not true. Second of all, I want to do the prize picks, but I wanted to just shut up and let y' all have your little piece it up moment.

[Flip]

Oh, look, the French again.

[Joe Button]

Mark. Oh, look.

[Ice]

Scream.

[Joe Button]

Really scream. Mark, Mark, I got a question. Mark, Mark, get some of those big words. We don't mind. Hey, look at this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at y' all instigators. Look.

[Joe Button]

That's what happened last time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. They mark such a great guy.

[Joe Button]

That's a phenomenal question. Queen's flip. Mr. Queen's flip. Black women can indeed be like, yo, do I have to sit through this? Do I have to sit through this young woman? Did y' all talk about that topic at talk about the that you put out? No, my next topic got to do with injustice for white women. Dead ass. I'm serious, actually. But first, before we get to that.

[Flip]

The segues today been phenomenal.

[Joe Button]

Okay, this funny. This is some funny. Try to cater to the other side. I get it. Okay. Dude, white people. Yeah. You made the money. You made the money by putting the video out. I see. Keep on going, man. I was expecting more. Next time one of y' all got to do the old school. Hey, next, next, next. Tension that arises.

[Flip]

Someone got to step on social.

[Joe Button]

Somebody please just give me a. But everybody editing the shoulder to shoulder, please. Yeah, give me a little, you know, Come on, give me one of those. All right, it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize picks. All right, this episode is brought to you by prize picks. You and I make decisions every day. But on prize picks, being right can get you paid. Don't miss out on any of the excitement this football season. On prize pick picks, where it's good to be right. Prize picks is really simple and easy to play. All you have to do is pick more or less on at least two players, stat projections for your chance to win big. Prizepix also offers stacks, meaning you can pick the same player up to three times in the same lineup. So if you want to pick more on Josh Allen's pass yards, rush yards, or touchdowns, you can. You can pick all three on the same ticket only on prize picks. So we are going with for the Joe and his picks of the week, Tua Tagavalagavaloa. Let's go to Mr. Cte himself. For more than three and a half rushing yards, Daniel Jones, Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones. For more than 17 and a half rushing yards, yards. Stefan Diggs would really help my fantasy team if this happened. For more than 47 and a half receiving yards. And Dallas Gold dirt, who was right there on my fantasy waiver wire and Keeb told me not to pick him and he's been putting up 25 points a week since. Big reason why I'm 2 and 6. Smile for the camera. Anyway, Dallas go dirt for more than 36 and a half receiving yards. Don't forget to download prize picks right this very second and use promo code JBP for your chance to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks where it's good to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ice]

I'm still sick of prospects from last night. Man, one catch cost me $1,000. Does that make it one catch?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you end up hating the player after that? You resent the player after.

[Joe Button]

After that?

[Ice]

Nah, it's just.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, actually, yes, for a brief moment.

[Flip]

In time at least.

[Joe Button]

No, for me. Because it averages out the same player that lose you a week is going to win you a week.

[Flip]

That's a fact.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Ice]

But when I like this particular play, I had Luke McCaffrey for less than like 28 yards. He had nothing all game. He caught one ball.

[Flip]

Oh, he did. It was a tutty all game.

[Joe Button]

33 yards.

[Flip]

I'd have been tight if I had Drake London, I'll tell you that much.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he went off now.

[Flip]

He went off, but that one play right before halftime where he didn't fall back.

[Ice]

Yeah, that play won me. I was fantasy matchup in our league.

[Flip]

Oh, wow.

[Ice]

Because I was playing against.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Congrats.

[Flip]

I got my ass.

[Joe Button]

Smoke.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

Pause. All right, well, what else is going on in the universe while we all here spending quality time with one another? Listen, I notice every time Sade get into town, my baby salute. You start to gain more weight. I mean, your stomach start to stick out and then you got bed belly. Every time you get into town, you up there, you. You did eating good. So I want to know what the was on the menu and are you sharing Last time, you know you didn't share. You made a big deal about it. You didn't want to give me any turkey wings with rice and beans.

[Ice]

I did that.

[Joe Button]

That's when you stayed a little later. You stayed later. That ain't my first time putting that overtime.

[Ice]

Stay late?

[Joe Button]

Yes. Ate some food.

[Ice]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Joe Button]

He didn't want to big pots too. Dicton brought his son. Yo, my son ain't eat. Train kind of been left without eating. If you cook for seven people and then three extra people come, then seven people are deprived. I don't even think that's fair. Especially when you.

[Ice]

You hit the door as soon as the mics Go up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Be at the.

[Joe Button]

At the elevator like. No, I don't. This morning she said some country if I ever heard it. But I mean, I'm not educated either though, so I'll just tell it to you all.

[Flip]

Let's hear it.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying h. It's cold out. Think I want to make some lasagna soup tonight. Ah, okay.

[Ice]

I'm not.

[Flip]

She hasn't lost me yet.

[Joe Button]

I'm here about the las. I said excuse me.

[Flip]

Anything can be a soup and should be dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you.

[Joe Button]

I'm pro soup.

[Ice]

I'm over there.

[Joe Button]

All right, but I've never heard of. I've never heard of lasagna soup. I'm not on it. No, Google it. Cuz she did show me some pictures she googled in the might be and it looked amazing. But you know what else it looked like?

[Flip]

Huh?

[Joe Button]

Lasagna. It look like lasagna with equally as.

[Flip]

Warm with some broth. I'm not mad at it though.

[Joe Button]

But it did look really good. Come on. So I'll be back with my review of In In Texas are bored in the kitchen. They just coming up with.

[Flip]

I'm here for any interpretation of soup. Any of it.

[Joe Button]

I'm a soup.

[Flip]

I'm a huge. If it was socially acceptable, I would eat soup all day, every day. I like soup I don't need.

[Joe Button]

But that's how you keep this figure.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

That's true. I can't wait for you.

[Flip]

And bulimia.

[Joe Button]

I can't wait for you. And believe me, no trigger warning or nothing.

[Flip]

My bad, my bad.

[Joe Button]

Yo, when Park's metabolism changed, she going to look funny.

[Ice]

They already 40.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it is.

[Ice]

I don't think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think this is who he is.

[Ice]

Hold up though.

[Flip]

It could happen.

[Ice]

I was skinny at 40.

[Joe Button]

All right, you weren't skinny.

[Ice]

I wasn't skinny. I wasn't skinny.

[Flip]

Back to the friend that lies.

[Joe Button]

And we let him go with it. You know, he got mad. Serious too. No, that's right.

[Ice]

I wasn't slim at 40.

[Joe Button]

He was slim keeping the ball. He really was. He just said that. But that's sarcasm.

[Ice]

But you being sarcastic. You at 40. I was way, way, way smaller.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You was way smaller and skinnier. Two different things.

[Ice]

But I probably weighed. I don't even think I.

[Joe Button]

You just had hazel eyes, my brother. They was lying to you. They was telling you whatever you want to hear.

[Ice]

I try telling me whatever I want to hear. They going to tell me that fat or skinny?

[Flip]

I Try really hard to fight that. Like, that's why I work. I don't work out for any other reason other than I want to still be able to eat what I want and not get fat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like, same.

[Joe Button]

What kind of.

[Flip]

I'm with you five, five, six days a weekend.

[Joe Button]

So she said that this was some other. Some more. You'll find a topic too, because I ain't gonna just sit here and share all these miserable ass stories.

[Flip]

But boy, lasagna story was not miserable. I'm here for it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm actually gonna try and find some lasagna.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So she looked me in my face. She looked me dead in the eyes and said, so what do you want to do for Thanksgiving this year? Which I thought was a trick question. Like a loaded question.

[Flip]

It can be.

[Joe Button]

I didn't know how to respond. Fine.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I just spoke to my mom three weeks ago. She was like, yo, what are we doing for Thanksgiving? Nothing. Cool. I'm a fly out. I'm go see one of my friends. I was like, cool. I don't give a.

[Flip]

That's what you got to hit the reverse card, by the way, on that question. That's one of the ones where what do you want to do?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Button]

Anyway, So I did. Yeah, so I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Smart man.

[Joe Button]

I was like, well, what do you want to do? I mean, you got a family. I thought. I thought what you would be doing. I thought I would be in the streets picking up plates. Good night for the bad bitches. Grits. You would be with your kids. Good night to go out the hall is right in the world. The is this talk about please don't tell me. And then she says, I want know what she said. You know, I'm only asking because, I mean, I've been seeing you these last few years. Last year you were just home alone.

[Flip]

She ain't like that hungry.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. While everyone was festive, having fun, a queen. You didn't have any friends or family. You just kind of was sitting here. That's a trick.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is definitely a trick.

[Joe Button]

I mean, we've never spent Thanksgiving.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Together.

[Ice]

Got him.

[Joe Button]

So God figured me and the kids would come on, come over, and the kids would love to spend it in Jersey and instead of Texas.

[Flip]

I think that sounds great. Justin, it's fall.

[Ice]

You get to see the fall weather, the trees, something.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. Leaves.

[Ice]

She'll cook, watch football with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Lasagna soup will be there for sure.

[Flip]

Lasagna soup, for sure.

[Ice]

There you go.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I fell for it. Oh, of course you did. I fell for it. You didn't fall for it. That sounded great.

[Ice]

You ain't had no choice. Ass.

[Joe Button]

I fell for dog.

[Ice]

Ain't nobody pull one over your.

[Joe Button]

Your eyes.

[Ice]

You said okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

I thought that was so sweet. Same with me and the dog. Nah, same. Hell, no. It's. You just bought that Labradoodle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Enjoy that Labradoodle. It's the way she set it up. A lasagna doodle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you got.

[Joe Button]

I thought that was such a sweet, sentimental, loving and caring move. I was like, yeah, that's how they get you.

[Ice]

Yeah, it is. And guess what your whole plans are being out in the streets. Won't get the dub now.

[Joe Button]

I mean, I ain't really had no plan. That's a miserable Thanksgiving now. You hopping around to the. The best. You show up every year as the. The alone guy.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Begging for a plate. Not begging, but. She been giving you plates since high school. This glitch lady's mom.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

We hit the same houses since 99, 98.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That doesn't sound like a bad Thanksgiving.

[Joe Button]

No, it's not bad. You can't do that, man. If you got family, spend a few with your family. If you have family, you should do this.

[Ice]

Definitely family.

[Joe Button]

Be with your family.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it is. It is.

[Joe Button]

Kids around sometime.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I need a break.

[Joe Button]

Provide for the kid. It ain't. It's you. You had your time to shine. Your turn is done. Your turn is done. Our turn is done. Whatever fun you could think of is done. It's over. You did it. And if you didn't do it, you out of love.

[Ice]

You got to find a new level of fun that includes the family now. That's it. Yes.

[Joe Button]

That's a. That's a fact.

[Ice]

I ain't mad at the. That. The fun got to evolve.

[Joe Button]

Doing it.

[Ice]

You ain't mad at who the that never did it doing it?

[Joe Button]

Well, if you never did it, then do it.

[Ice]

Yeah, you got to do it.

[Joe Button]

If you.

[Ice]

If you can at some point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Just know you're gonna look stupid doing it at 49. Yeah, you're gonna look for sure. That Arrested Development thing you trying to get your off at 49. 55. The girls are putting pressure on. That's 33. They underground. That you 33. You still doing such and such. I'm like, wait, what? At 33, my life was all fucked up. Yeah.

[Ice]

I was in ish house every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.

[Joe Button]

Anyways, it's cool. What's important or unimportant?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, important is Shout out to Asia Wilson.

[Ice]

Indeed.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Won another. And the whole ASUS squad won another WNBA championship. Third in four years. The ratings were great. ABC said it's the best ratings ever. A lot of people watched it. A lot of people were excited about. She ran the whole. The whole gamut this year of everything. Player of the year, mvp. Scoring leader, Finals mvp. Defensive player, Defensive player of the year. Swept the Finals. I mean, you can't have a better single season, maybe ever.

[Joe Button]

The whole game. Winner over a married couple. Stat is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it was vicious, too.

[Joe Button]

A game winner over a married couple.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. First time.

[Joe Button]

That's fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is fly.

[Flip]

That is fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And my favorite part was watching at the end how much joy they had. Like her at the press car. She was drunk as hell.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She was lit with a tambourine. I loved it.

[Joe Button]

Do it. That's right.

[Ice]

Sarcastic personality started showing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

That's how you create superstars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She is a superstar. And I love.

[Ice]

Start resonating with you like that. It creates something else for real.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I loved watching her and bam. Out of bio, too. I love watching couples celebrate each other, support each other, stand up for each other. It was real dope just to watch it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It was cute watching her become a little girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

People pointed out that she hugged her father for just like five seconds and then she held him. But I.

[Flip]

People on the Internet are miserable.

[Joe Button]

Miserable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You counting the hug times between family members is crazy.

[Joe Button]

And how long do you want adult people to hug their dad? How long should that hug be? Right.

[Ice]

No, it depends on your.

[Joe Button]

With your dad, depending on your. Like, if I'm winning the chip tomorrow, me and my dad. Quick dap. It's all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's only an issue if they trained you. Like, I mean, but it's her fourth ring. But, like, I mean, if. For the first ring. If I. If I trained you your whole life from age 5 to be a pro and you win your first championship and you give me a pound and hug this dude you've been dating for six months, I might feel away.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But fourth championship and you with the dude you might gonna be with. I ain't tripping on the four. On the. Yeah. At this stage. I ain't tripping by.

[Ice]

I'm used to you winning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. This is. This is par for the course.

[Ice]

I'm used to you winning another one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y' all have those moments where. Where y' all have to go and be bam. Out of bio in your relationship?

[Joe Button]

Relationship, yeah.

[Ice]

Every day.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, just go not to support but like support.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I mean is Bam is a star.

[Flip]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're. We're in public platform and then there's this moment where you being in a public platform, doesn't matter where. You gotta go there and kind of.

[Joe Button]

Show us about her.

[Flip]

Any family or work related or anything. Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

That's when I paused the show walking to get you. Hey, all right.

[Flip]

Oh, las look good actually, now that I see it in action.

[Joe Button]

Hey, that's when I pull a chair up to the island.

[Flip]

Sm.

[Joe Button]

Like something in here. That's the one. Hey.

[Ice]

And then on the way out, you.

[Joe Button]

Get my little smack on ass. Hey, hey, you doing that? This look good, girl going me up. Me too. Me too.

[Ice]

Me too, though. I love you, baby.

[Joe Button]

Baby. Oh, but that it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Moving on. Stephen A. Smith, man. Did y' all see. Did y' all see when Serena's.

[Joe Button]

No, that's not. No, I want to answer it now. Now we look like ass. We got to find a way to answer. Repeat the question. Do we ever show up for our girl?

[Flip]

Use it in a phrase.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Use it in tricky words. In a sentence. Too many tricky words. Again, you have repeated for me slowly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying the bam out of Biowoma. I'm wondering if there are moments where you have to be the bam out of Bayo in your relationships in that way. Because we all support our ladies. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like in that very particular way.

[Joe Button]

When it's her time to shine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When it's her time to shine. Because you also gotta shrink. Like, if you bam out of bio. You don't want to take too many interviews. You don't want to answer too many questions. But you also want to be present to show that you support her. But you gotta kind of. It's a tricky thing, especially with when you're. When you're in jobs like we got.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I just want. I don't. I'm not in that situation a lot, so I was curious to know if that would.

[Joe Button]

I'm like that when I'm go to her house. I let her run it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Look at. Look at my baby. He actually.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He actually ran his back to be.

[Joe Button]

To be serious. Got to go ask some more. My baby know, knowing the dating time, she know what day it is over here.

[Ice]

The paper towels up there.

[Joe Button]

She killing. Yo, you're idiot, bro. I'm like that when I.

[Ice]

When I got.

[Joe Button]

When I go to the. With the Hudson football games. I'm support I have to. I have to hide and, you know, just. It's not about me.

[Ice]

I don't have anything. That's like her focus. She was doing a. What you call it?

[Joe Button]

Fashion show. I had to just sit there and chill. Let her be her.

[Flip]

Girl.

[Ice]

All the little girlfriend birthday party shoes.

[Flip]

Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Joe Button]

I'm trying. I'm trying.

[Ice]

I want to be an. I want to be an so bad.

[Joe Button]

But it's right there. Mad asshole feminism showing again.

[Ice]

I could say. But she going to me up and I don't want to deal with that.

[Flip]

Fair enough.

[Joe Button]

So can we just get some. A little bit of silence.

[Ice]

Ow.

[Joe Button]

You hurt me. I'm sorry. I did hit you kind of hard. I'm sorry. You. You. You did that. So I could feel your strength. Can I hear more about you? At the fashion show, did you sit for a row? No, no. Come on, please, please, please. But where do you sit? You sit in the back.

[Flip]

No, it's just. For real.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I got to hear it, cuz. We got. Cuz what? Just allow her to be her. We watching you. He got that on so smooth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

I gotta sit there and let her. What were you wearing? No, you don't. We pressing these. No, you gotta let her be her.

[Ice]

It's not about your mom. It's not about you.

[Joe Button]

What you wear some regular.

[Ice]

I'm not fashionable, so I think you are.

[Joe Button]

Car.

[Ice]

I. I'm not.

[Joe Button]

But where you be at when she in the back sitting in the car?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the question.

[Joe Button]

What do you think Cory said?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where was this fashion show at?

[Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

Can't do no. Hey. Missing piece. That's the last fashion show. Hey, let's put our foot down. No, they can't keep pursuing their dreams.

[Ice]

Well, to step on the dreams.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was about to say. He said. He said it was a holiday infection.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Ice]

Yo, yo, you good.

[Joe Button]

Watch your mouth. Cory.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's disrespect.

[Ice]

Yeah, we not.

[Joe Button]

Don't do that. Cory. That's the. With the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

With the folded.

[Joe Button]

With the chairs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you.

[Joe Button]

That's not what.

[Ice]

Watch your mouth. Not playing that.

[Joe Button]

Don't talk about my family. Don't play with a pull a flip.

[Ice]

Don't talk about my family.

[Joe Button]

So dumb. You can't. And I. I like the fact Freeze got the confidence to say yo. Go ahead. Do your think I support you. That's fire. We make jokes about you all the time. Oh, you front. We ain't no.

[Ice]

He talking about.

[Joe Button]

We ain't letting. Just do what they want to do.

[Ice]

Not what you want.

[Flip]

To do.

[Ice]

But if it's.

[Joe Button]

You get one little fashion show, and I got to know the. The designer. Oh, oh, for sure.

[Flip]

He definitely did some background checks.

[Joe Button]

Come on. He's a feminist. You can walk for m. See. Hey, hey. My girl used to. She was a child actress or some. So when. When. I'll snuff one of y', all, I'll snuff one of y'. All. So anytime a commercial come on with, like, kids in it, she critique it. No. Like, she start wanting to have her dreams again. She like, I'mma call the agency. I like, no, you're not. If you don't get your ass. She can't model or act if you don't make this lasagna. Come on, son.

[Ice]

Let her.

[Joe Button]

Let her get. Let her walk.

[Flip]

Let her walk.

[Joe Button]

When I tell y', all, I am going to get my ass kicked in the name of content. And y' all just look at y' all friends. Just let me go. I love you, baby. And yes, you could get back to the agency. There you go. Getting the commercials. And I've been dying of getting commercials.

[Ice]

Oh, what if she getting them before you?

[Joe Button]

No, you do not understand what I just said. It's gonna be us. It's gonna be us.

[Ice]

They don't need you.

[Joe Button]

It's gonna be us in that.

[Ice]

They don't need you.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yo, you can leave. Leave him.

[Ice]

Leave him. We just. We got the scene.

[Joe Button]

None of. None of barber videos are focused on the haircut. Wait, what? None of what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What did he say? What did he say?

[Joe Button]

What is your problem looking at these.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What did he say?

[Joe Button]

Don't worry about it. Look at you. Did y' all look at the. No, I ain't see nothing. I didn't see it. What you talking about? Her. Her camera, people.

[Ice]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Button]

We got to see the actual cut. She got the camera all on her ass. These new age barbers. Lunatics. I can't even. I'm trying to. I'm trying to judge the lineup, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you got to see Israel.

[Joe Button]

I'm looking at his. She's mother. This. Oh, yeah. Yo, what is your problem? He right, cuz. It seen the clips the way you know, that camera is angled the wrong way. All right, good boy. Oh, oh.

[Ice]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Yo, if you are up and cominging barber, we got to see the cut is all I'm saying. What else we got, man? Recession. Suspension recession where?

[Ice]

I got a headache, yo.

[Joe Button]

God damn it. She calls her freaky ball, but she on only fans and all that. You could cut it Out. Hold the shop. This would have been innovative and old one. Oh, the stripper. The stripper barber. The whole hood would have been zeked. I'm paying for everybody tuition. The whole hood. Nobody give a. We don't give a. Oh, man. Anyway, anyway, the rails. Did y' all see? Did y' all see? Y' all need to grow up. Yo, you stupid. Your lineup looking different than. Yeah, you the first N up. If somebody. If somebody gonna try. You can't get a shave up from nobody. Ex. You gotta go. You gotta just go to your barber. Yo, anyways, look at this mustache. Learned the mustache yet? Try to have a whole, like, conversation. Holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen to what you saying.

[Joe Button]

Dumb as Serena Williams's husband appeared on first take and attempted to get his off against Stephen Ed.

[Flip]

Hey, no, he got it off.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's what I want to talk to y' all about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, I didn't love it, but let.

[Joe Button]

Me play the clip first so the audience knows what's going on.

[Flip]

Other one. Now, where that is, I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Behind.

[Joe Button]

Right. Right there.

[Ice]

You say he did get his. He got his off.

[Flip]

I thought he got his off.

[Joe Button]

Jacket over here. Throwing it on. Don't touch my jacket. Again. Don't touch my jacket. Don't throw it on me. Don't throw it on me. On me. Those are jeans, right? And I'm asking. Oh, those are sweats. Jeans.

[Flip]

Sweat jeans.

[Joe Button]

I gotta have. It's still spacing this. I'm gonna find this clip of Stephen A.

[Flip]

You take footballers jeans on Steinway, man?

[Joe Button]

No, man. Oh, my God. Yo, hey, I ain't gonna lie. I just thought. Watch that. I watched that barber video. I'm sorry, I just caught on. She tried to have a whole conversation. Girl, we not listening to you. She tried to do an interview by giving a.

[Flip]

She was in her LeBron.

[Joe Button]

I said, what's she talking about? Her was egging. So I'm like, oh, this is where.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You'Ve been this whole time.

[Joe Button]

All right, I got a clip for y', all. Y'. All.

[Flip]

Yeah, let's get back.

[Joe Button]

Y' all are stupid. The lickback. How Andre rcs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What Stephen A. Is saying.

[Joe Button]

If he was in that situation and now he's married, he's not allowing any.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

None of that to happen.

[Joe Button]

Hold on. If I'm married and my wife is going to join trolling her ex, go.

[Ice]

Back to his ass, because clearly, you.

[Joe Button]

Know, you don't belong with me. What? You worried about him fooling you with me.

[Flip]

Also, too. Stephen A. Smith, you had some. I think you had some marriage advice for me.

[Joe Button]

Is that right? Or. Well, you know what?

[Ice]

I.

[Joe Button]

Listen, I did it, people. You know, headlines are headlines. We can get into that another time. But I think opening. I was hoping you were here, but. But, oh, I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no, no.

[Joe Button]

I am not qualified. Back down. Well, that's not.

[Ice]

I ain't qualified.

[Joe Button]

My brother, my homeboy kept going. I was, I was gonna ask you because you hadn't been married before, right? I am married.

[Flip]

No, no, see.

[Joe Button]

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

[Flip]

Because I. I give advice to plenty of founders who want to build billion dollar companies. And the reason I do that is.

[Joe Button]

Because I build billion dollar companies. Yeah. So I generally try to stay in my lane as advice. Then we'll talk marriage advice later. Other than 13 years strong, we got Alexis. Thank you so much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I mean, he did his thing.

[Joe Button]

I respect that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, good.

[Joe Button]

Distinguished panel. It's two.

[Ice]

It's two ways.

[Joe Button]

I respect that.

[Ice]

No, he did his thing. He stood up for his wife, which I think he should. Stood up for himself, for me and himself.

[Flip]

Tv, he caught some bars and all that mess, too. So he had all the right in the world to say, yo, go ahead and do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Button]

But you from tv.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying he handled his business. I thought Stephen A. Didn't follow the. Stephen A. Would have played into that more.

[Joe Button]

No, he wouldn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought. You don't think so?

[Ice]

No, no, he wouldn't. I think Stephen Abrams, the ultimate professional.

[Joe Button]

They picked 900 different ways to get out of that.

[Ice]

Yes, they did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's for sure. She was trying to get him out of that.

[Joe Button]

It wasn't. It was both of them, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I. I thought Steven first didn't catch it.

[Joe Button]

Headlines are headlines. We can get to that at another time.

[Ice]

We can get to that at another time.

[Joe Button]

Let's talk about this another time. He went on to say, like, everything about the. That said, we know what you try to do. Not right this second. You are who you are. So we ain't even got a long talk break on you. Like, we either coming out or go. Going out or coming in. We don't have all this time to do that. So they was trying to lead him, but he was. He's still felt bent on getting his.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Off then, I think even more so. I wish Stephen A. Would just let him get that. I just thought it could have been a cleaner. A cleaner clip to go viral or whatever. I just did. I didn't like it just from a production side, but I thought, what he said was.

[Joe Button]

Was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have done the same thing.

[Ice]

I thought what he said was great. And I. I think what Stephen A. Smith did was professional. He tried to get out of. He self humiliated.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Me marriage and all, man. I'm dummy over this. Like he tried to. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

Dummy.

[Ice]

I ain't qualified.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Yeah. I ain't qualified. You know what I'm saying? He's not the head of the joke, so I think he tried to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I didn't like him getting ahead of it. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

He saw where it was going. Like, yo, let me get out of this, yo. Yeah. I'm not married. I'm not qualified. What would the opposite side be? To engage.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. Like. Cause he said like headlines. He did say that. Like the thing dude was.

[Joe Button]

He's accusing him of. He said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he kind of act like he didn't. That's the part I'm saying. If he had just not done that part and just let. I'm not saying anything wrong.

[Joe Button]

Homeboy was corny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You thought he came off corny.

[Ice]

I don't think he was corny.

[Joe Button]

I think that was corny.

[Ice]

No say why it wasn't.

[Joe Button]

It was corny one. Because the. The person that you spinning on done back down nine times already.

[Ice]

Twice.

[Joe Button]

I see what you're saying. Okay, cool. Yeah.

[Flip]

But you had an awful lot to say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I'm saying it didn't look good for tv.

[Flip]

You had an awful lot to say when I wasn't here. Now we can address this.

[Joe Button]

The back. The back down addresses it. Yes, the back down address.

[Flip]

I'm still getting myself.

[Joe Button]

So cool. Then you want to get your. All right, cool. So you.

[Ice]

You get this. I'll say it from both.

[Joe Button]

How he came off in getting his off. Like, I get the point of stay in your lane. Give advice in areas that you have some type of expertise at. And for me, that's building billion dollars.

[Ice]

Not just that I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk this big dick.

[Joe Button]

Exactly.

[Ice]

Yo. I build billion dollar companies. Stay in your little sports media land lane.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And.

[Ice]

And I gotta defend my wife's honor and my own honor.

[Joe Button]

This is a woman I go home and see every day. I'm not mad at defending your wife. Please don't make me sound like that.

[Ice]

No, I get it.

[Joe Button]

I just think the manner in which he chose to do so, I think he could have also came off better.

[Ice]

Uber aggressive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying from a TV present. It didn't look as. It didn't look cool. It wasn't like a clean knockout. It looked. It looked a little corny. I don't think he was corny, but I. The exchange didn't. I didn't like the way the exchange works.

[Joe Button]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got no place for this. It's harder for his joke to land. Yeah.

[Ice]

He didn't try to take the sting out of it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what I. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Him spinning that way on Stephen A. Made me somehow understand the Drake bar more. Cause if you do that on TV on the spin, the chances are you've done some dick at you about this. You just a dick. You just a pretentious, dickety, dickety. Build billion dollar businesses, and I'm gonna build a billion a nigga. Do you have a billion?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got more than Stephen A.

[Ice]

No, from what I heard, that's like the guy, huh? From what I heard, he got hella, hella money.

[Joe Button]

Do you have a billion?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, from what I say, he's not.

[Joe Button]

Don't say the B word. When you spending money move. Do you giving advice to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got more to Steven any.

[Joe Button]

If I got more.

[Flip]

If I got more than the person I'm spending on.

[Ice]

Billion dollar companies with an S. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I don't know that he has. I don't know what he has. I don't know. I don't know what he has.

[Flip]

But again, if he has a reputation.

[Joe Button]

Well, if he has more than Stephen A. I don't think he would have been saying, oh, I'm an advisor and I give advice. I think he would have stunning him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe he's worth a few hundred million. But I'm a.

[Ice]

Look. But yeah, that's what I'm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's a few hundred million.

[Joe Button]

Oh, so then that was his.

[Ice]

No, he up there.

[Joe Button]

He stunted. That was the thing.

[Ice]

He's got a lot of.

[Joe Button]

So he's just stunning.

[Ice]

Yeah, he got a lot of money.

[Joe Button]

And still a stunt could come off.

[Flip]

Mind your single business. When you're talking to a married man about marriage.

[Ice]

Keep my wife's name out your mouth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's worth a buck. Buck 50 according as of 20, 24.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, Stephen got. Shut the up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. He's not.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, see, but I would have. See, I guess what I'm saying then is I would have loved that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would.

[Flip]

I would like to. I would like to hear that conversation.

[Joe Button]

I'm worth $150 million, Stephen A.

[Flip]

And again.

[Joe Button]

And I give advice and growing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I would have liked to see him shape it like that.

[Flip]

I guess I'm saying, I mean, but I think that that is implied within I built multiple billion dollar companies company's conversation. But again, I think it comes back to the married versus non married conversation. There's a lot of commentary about married people and what their wives are doing. And you should be. You're gonna let her say this and let her do this and let her say that you're not married. Shut the up. And you don't know what their marriage is. Shut the up.

[Joe Button]

Hold up, Joe. Ish. I shut the up right now. Let these cook.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's. Stephen, forget about whether you agree with the advice or not. Is he out of pocket for giving advice?

[Joe Button]

No, I don't think he was actually trying to give advice. I think he was trying to entertaining.

[Ice]

And giving his personal opinion.

[Flip]

He was just yapping.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or should I say should you? Like, because his whole point is if, like you said, if you're not married, don't talk about married people. He's saying, if my wife wouldn't do this, my wife wouldn't do that. Is that out of bounds? I don't think it is.

[Ice]

I mean, I don't think it is either. It's not necessarily out of bounds, but you don't have a wife. So I don't really want to hear you say what my wife will and won't do.

[Joe Button]

It's easiest.

[Ice]

We do that up here every time.

[Flip]

Same way. Anytime there's some kid conversation, I gotta shut the fuck up. If you're not married, shut the fuck up.

[Joe Button]

It's easier said than done when you're in a relationship and when you're close with your partner. A lot of times, in order to keep the relationship satisfied, you allow, not allowed. But you look the other way when certain things happen or when they want to do certain things. You support your partner. If she wanted to go over there and quit, walk and disrespect her ex, you gonna support her again.

[Flip]

The ex that also disrespected him.

[Joe Button]

Exactly.

[Flip]

That's the key cog in this whole.

[Joe Button]

Argument, respecting both of us.

[Flip]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Button]

Cause I actually.

[Flip]

Drake said something about him. Yeah, baby, you can go crip walk all over the fuck you want. Actually, do it twice.

[Joe Button]

Do what?

[Flip]

Sure, a couple rounds.

[Ice]

Spin around and do it too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you think homeboy went up to ESPN with a battery in his back from his wife? Like, do you think she said, you better represent for us when you go up there. Or do you think he did it all?

[Ice]

I think he might have told her, I'm going to do this. I don't think she put. And that's why when he backed down, he. He ain't submit. That was his. He kept going for the sole purpose of doing this.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Let's also remember who she is as someone who is an ESPN mainstay for 20 years and a legend in the game. Yes. Go up there, cook.

[Joe Button]

And she can't do it. I mean, she could, but it's not the same. It's a woman. Yeah, like you need she a woman and she a legend. She ain't got no business going back and forth. Shut up. You're an athlete. You average one point in high school. My dad the other day, who must have just learned how to use his phone, has he sent me. I didn't know he was on Tick Tock. My dad's on Tick Tock.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Joe Button]

He sent me. That's funny. He sent me 13 TikToks of people just kicking Stephen A's back. Back in.

[Ice]

I know your father too.

[Joe Button]

I said, dad, why do you have a tik tok? I didn't know you had tik tok. But he's like, no, I'm on Tik Tok. And I see all of these videos of people kicking Stephen A's back in. And I have been telling you for years upon years upon years. Even when Stephen A. Came up there and did that show that I don't with him. I don't with his takes, I don't with him on Black Matters. I don't fuck with. With this. And then he pulls out his Rolodex. All the. That Stephen A. Has done over the past having a year, which I'm aware of. But yes, it seems that Stephen A. Has turned up the clout meter.

[Ice]

He getting mad.

[Joe Button]

I'm not gonna call it a kuna meter.

[Flip]

He said a lot of dumb shit.

[Ice]

No, he just.

[Flip]

Over the years and recently.

[Ice]

No, he's.

[Joe Button]

He just. He's going crazier.

[Ice]

He shot at Jasmine Crockett.

[Joe Button]

Jasmine Crockett sounded stupid again.

[Ice]

He sounded nuts.

[Joe Button]

He sounded. He sounded nuts.

[Ice]

Stephen A. Got a lot of money for them people.

[Joe Button]

And you gotta try to keep. Here's how I feel about that. You gotta try to keep up with the Joneses, bro. You gotta try to keep up with the time. Meaning that you have to try to hold your position. You got a lot of money, you have to entertain.

[Ice]

You have to get the clickbaits.

[Joe Button]

You gotta do whatever you can do. Your numbers gotta be afloat. Yeah. You gotta keep your numbers up.

[Flip]

Yeah, but some of that shit is not gonna age well.

[Ice]

Yeah, and at what expense? Cause again, no disrespect to him. I remember how soft he went on. What was the quarterback that was doing the fuck shit in Mississippi.

[Joe Button]

In Mississippi. Brett Favre.

[Ice]

Brett Favre. He ain't say much, you get what I'm saying? Like he just went over that shit with a light brush. But when it came to Kyrie, when it came to other people, he like put two footed two feet in and went all in. And it's like, like where you drawing a line on morality or where you drawing a line with regards to your opinions? I understand that click is what people do in this business. But you can't pick and choose when you want to be clickbaity.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I'm not disagreeing with that. I struggle with Stephen A. I know Stephen a long time and I like him a lot and he's been good dude.

[Joe Button]

I think he's dope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a good dude.

[Flip]

He's a legend.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's an absolute legend. No one has done what he does better than him, ever. But I remember when he first got let go from ESPN and I was working at Fox News. I believe. I can't remember. We were both at Fox News doing some shows together and we got a chance to spend some time together just talking about politics and stuff. I think he believes a lot of this shit. I think our assumption a lot of times is that people are selling out or they're doing things for clintering or pandering. And again, sometimes people believe that shit and I think he's wrong. But I think when. I think he's a lot more conservative than people think. I think people assume if you're black you're going to be a liberal on all these issues and he's genuinely not.

[Flip]

I've also heard him have some fairly liberal ideologies at least. Maybe that was the pandering part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he's. I think he's like most. I think he's like a black, A middle aged black Democrat.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like you gonna vote Democrat.

[Flip]

Fairly centrist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but fairly centrist, you know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

I don't know that he voted Democrat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm only going by what he told me in the past. Now the Trump one I can't speak to. I don't believe he voted for Trump cuz he was, you know, I can't speak to the Last election. But I know what he's told me in the past, prior to the last four years.

[Joe Button]

Years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it wouldn't shock me if he voted for Trump. And what I'm seeing now is I don't think he's lying about what he believes, but I think what he does do, strategically maybe is like you said and like you said, kind of like certain issues gonna. I think he really disagrees with Jasmine Crockett, but he knows that's gonna get clicks. You know, supporting, agreeing with Donald Trump on this thing is gonna get clicks. And the shit that we might all agree on with him, he's not gonna say. Cause it's not controversial enough to get the clicks. So I think he's strategic about what he hides highlights for the money, which is. Which to me is just as unprincipled.

[Ice]

It's a manner. It's a manner, in my opinion, if I disagree with Jasmine Crockett.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

What was the thing that he disagreed with about Jasmine Crockett?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just for context, basically, she ain't doing nothing for her district. Instead of coming out here blasting Donald Trump, she need to be focused on doing for her district, which is kind of a right wing talking point. Because Jasmine Crockett actually is supporting the district. She's doing a lot in Houston. Interesting. And I support everything.

[Joe Button]

Also went crazy when Joy lost her gig.

[Flip]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

He went too crazy when Joy lost her gig.

[Ice]

And that was my point.

[Joe Button]

Like, I think that he's been gun ho. When Trump has come up in certain topics, like rapid repping for him, he's been a little off.

[Flip]

Agree, agree.

[Joe Button]

And tomorrow's point, maybe not off because we also have to throw in his political aspirations in this. Like, whichever.

[Ice]

Yes, I think.

[Joe Button]

Yes. Yeah, I do. At first I didn't think so, but his.

[Flip]

His show, his show on YouTube, he does a lot of political.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He started a new political. Basically a new political show too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's trying to really be in that lane, which is also hard. I mean, it's one thing to go from NBA to boxing or football, which I think is a stretch.

[Flip]

He's not very good at football.

[Joe Button]

By the way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watching him, watch him do UFC for me was hard to watch. But to go to politics when that's not your area is really tough. So I think some of these takes.

[Joe Button]

Are where it ties in to the other conversation that you wanted to have about whether that type of behavior is inevitable at a certain. In a certain look.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Tax bracket.

[Ice]

And I don't think it's that hard to Pivot. Yeah. Especially when you are a black, popular man. And if you want to run on a Republican side of things, it's not. Herschel Walker was up there. He can't talk. You get what I'm saying? So I think you're gonna be accepted. You have a voice, you have a platform, you have a following. Come on in, and I think they'll welcome you in more. So you. A long time ago. I don't even know if you were up here at this point, or you might have. It might have been your first time when you guest hosted and you said, dog, if I wanted to go to the other side, I would be filthy rich. Because the conservatives would welcome you with open arms. Like, look at this Ph.D. black man. He's supporting us. Just give him the money because he has enough influence that he could pull some people over. He could bring enough of them over. Yeah. And I think. I think that they would welcome Stephen A. With open arms. If he decided to go to the conservative side of the aisle, I think he would be. You know what I mean? Like, they would be recruiting that nigga like a college athlete. So do y' all think some of this is kind of like, laying the groundwork? Yes.

[Joe Button]

Maybe not some like.

[Ice]

Yes. Like, I'm showing y' all or planting seeds, basically, I'm showing y' all where I stand.

[Joe Button]

I think all of it is laying the groundwork.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then there's this moment where they perform outrage. Like, you know, I had it with the Democrats. I tried to be independent. I tried to do this. I tried to do this. Now I gotta go over there. It's all, like you said, laying the groundwork. And like you said, and then you end up this Republican leader with all this money coming in. The thing I wondered about, and this is sort of what we were starting to off air, is, is this an inevitable thing when you start getting too much money?

[Joe Button]

I think that's what I think a great conversation is in there.

[Ice]

So that's what we was having off. Mike. I think that this is what I really will think. I think that when you get a certain amount of money, especially if you got it out the mud, I think a lot of those people, when I speak to them, they are no nonsense with regards to excuses. And I think they look at the excuses like it's a liberal thing.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ice]

You get what I'm saying? Like, I think they look at. They think they look at the excuses like, oh, you asking for handouts, or you asking for. For this and that. And that typically is something that's identifiable with the liberals. I think that these niggas get in certain rooms and they be around certain people, and I think they allow those opinions to sway them. I do. I think that when you up in that 200, 300, $400 million bracket, I think they just get around people sometimes. And I think that the fodder becomes.

[Joe Button]

It starts to stick, I think.

[Flip]

I agree. Once you're in certain social circles, I think that you start to take on some of the personalities of those social. Social.

[Ice]

You believe you want to do.

[Flip]

And I also, you know, back to your point. When you get it out the mud, like you're afraid of losing it, man. Like, it's. It's. As someone that's successful, a lot of people get afraid of losing it.

[Joe Button]

So you could do it.

[Ice]

I did it so you could do it.

[Flip]

Or that too.

[Ice]

But you might have been the one out of 700,000. That don't mean that the, the odds or the systems in place are not still in, you know, against us.

[Flip]

Typically, conservative politics lend more towards favoring wealthy people keeping their money. And I think the people who work really hard for their money want to keep their money and are willing to be okay with any of the other ideologies that they're right just to keep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Their money, just to keep. Definitely not give it to the people who didn't work as hard within the logic of their argument. So that just leads me, I think, to the most sort of fundamental question, which is sort of, Joe, when are you going to jump the shark? When are you going to, like, what's the number where you turn to a complete. You know, I won't say piece of shit, but certainly close to it.

[Joe Button]

I got a head start on that part. I don't. You know what's funny about that? I think when you ask most people how much money they would like to make, I think that they have a number in mind. For me, it's the opposite. Like, there's like a certain number where I wouldn't want to make it for the reasons that y' all are stating.

[Flip]

I've heard a lot of people say that, too.

[Ice]

I told y', all, I can't get a billion dollars.

[Joe Button]

Like, I can't get, well, super, super, super rich. See, that number for me is not a billion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

But it's not a billion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But was it like 10 billion?

[Joe Button]

I get crazy rich like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, is it more than a billion?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

He has a billion dollars in his sights.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

What you talking about?

[Joe Button]

It's More than a billion? I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Button]

I don't know.

[Ice]

So look, so what number then? You're saying it's a billion dollar. You said it's a number. That's scary.

[Joe Button]

I can watch. There's a number where. You see that. Watching. There's a number where they would allow me in certain rooms and behave that there's an expected behavior that comes with. That's true. The admittance.

[Ice]

You think so?

[Flip]

Yeah, I think so, yes.

[Ice]

I think it's just the opposite.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Ice]

I think depending upon what your value is, they'll accept and tolerate your behavior.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Flip]

Oh, but I think that. I think you're talking about actual, like, I think you're thinking about in the room behavior versus how you use your platforms and use your money to influence things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So like a Zuckerberg, he's more liberal, right?

[Flip]

Correct. A lot of the. A lot of the fans, guys that were standing behind the Republicans. And by the way, I don't want to make this, like, a person thing, because there's nothing wrong with having that side. Yeah, a lot of them had liberal ideologies. But then I think there's pressure to come over here.

[Joe Button]

And again, the conversation I'm not having is not. Is the conversation. The conversation I'm having is not a political one. Yeah, that's not my world. I'm just talking about getting a certain. Certain amount of money and. And what is expected upon you. And is that with your belief system or is it against your belief system?

[Ice]

So basically, like, once you get in them rooms, you got to be one of us. That's.

[Joe Button]

Or you got to at least show that you're one of us. You know, I mean, coming to one, that's one of the ways to. That's one of the ways to grow wealth in this country. Or that's one of the way. I was this all morning. I've been watching. I've been watching Just think pieces on Gilbert. Gilbert Arenas did a of lot live with a gentleman named Low who was pretty well informed in his streaming. His streaming world. He's somebody. I wasn't familiar with him, but. And the dulo was just asking them all about his business. And it was Gil, one of his co hosts and Brandon Jennings, and he was. All right, so who owns what. All right, so you don't own your. All right, so you. It's 50. 50. You and who. Okay, so who owns the YouTube channel? Okay, so how much money? He was grilling him. And it came out that Gil, basically, I don't want to call it a 360. The Internet is called saying that Gil is in a 360. And they're trying to paint that as a bad thing. It's not always a bad thing, especially when you've made as much money as Gilbert Arenas. Gilbert Arenas was already over $300 million. So him and his co host and what it cost to keep them and what it cost for the set. That's a lot of money. Gil. Gil was saying, yo, they pay for all that. They pay for my talent fees and yada yada, yada, yada. But anyway, I bring it up to say I too have been offered situations where I sell 50%. Terrifying to me. Terrifying or 51%. Because now we open the door for my belief system to just be trampled over. Yeah, yeah. Cause you don't have control. Not at all. Now whatever you say goes. Which is cool. In business, that won't work for you. But in moral land, no, you can't just. No, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night today.

[Ice]

Would you say today?

[Joe Button]

Today. Today. Today I reserve the right to change my mind at all times. But today, no, not for me.

[Ice]

Would you sell 49?

[Joe Button]

No, today.

[Ice]

But I'm just saying now that keep. You still keep the controlling interest.

[Joe Button]

Now I gotta go in the room and explain something to somebody.

[Ice]

True.

[Joe Button]

Now I gotta go in a room and explain something and get a boardroom to see things my way. Now we gotta take a vote. Now we gotta.

[Ice]

And where you are in your life, it don't behoove you to do it today.

[Joe Button]

Well, and back full circle, back to my point. I don't want $200 million right now. Now I don't. I'm not even educated enough to have $200 million right this second. No, it's more about taxes. I got to learn. It's more. It's just more. I got to learn. Money just sitting around in the bank so you can look at it, or you put it over here and the money more. No, no, no. I don't want to touch it.

[Ice]

I learn on the fly.

[Joe Button]

Which is at your mind.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That wouldn't be my reason, right? You, yo.

[Joe Button]

Cause I don't know what to do.

[Ice]

There's some out here that'll give you some.

[Flip]

Yeah, there's a lot of people that made a lot of money and it didn't go well for them.

[Joe Button]

With every dollar comes expectations.

[Flip]

That too.

[Joe Button]

With every dollar comes expectations where I am right now and how I want year 45, 250 to be. God Willing. If he's a great guy, which he is. There's not a world where I even need $200 million, Joe.

[Ice]

By the time you're 50, you got 2, $200 million.

[Joe Button]

On my own. I know my way.

[Ice]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Without having to answer to nobody, without having to talk to nobody. I played a long game.

[Ice]

No, I'm, I'm agreeing with you.

[Joe Button]

I'm a long game.

[Ice]

I didn't say you need nobody to get it. I'm saying you could get it by the time you 50.

[Joe Button]

But I'm saying somebody coming to front you that right now, right? Like they Hey, 200 million. 200 million.

[Ice]

Dangling it.

[Joe Button]

99 out of 100 people, maybe 98 people say, I'll take it. Let me get that right now.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And then I feel I don't need that right now.

[Ice]

No. I think where your life is to that point, I think where your specific life is, I think today, I think if you had $200 million to your point, it would just be, I'm losing money. It would just be simple.

[Joe Button]

I'm losing money and I will owe somebody some money. Now people telling me some. No, no, no, no, no, no. I like this. Like it is today.

[Ice]

That makes sense.

[Joe Button]

My parents is good. My kids is good. My friends is good. Retirement is good.

[Ice]

Good.

[Joe Button]

This is everything is good right now. Greed kill a lot of people or that's a fact. Greed kill a lot of people.

[Ice]

You know what happens too? I think an excess excess.

[Joe Button]

Somebody asked a good question online. Do is. Is true freedom? What did they say? It was such a great question. Is true freedom. Freedom. Freedom of with options. Freedom of options or freedom with limitations? They were saying, which one is true freedom?

[Flip]

Freedom with options. I mean, I would say options off.

[Joe Button]

The top, but that seems like what everybody would say. Yeah, but my stupid ass linked it back to my fantasy. Season two, two years ago.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Where there my team was loaded top to bottom. I had every option in the world. So I lost.

[Flip]

Option paralysis.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. So I lost. Because anything in the world I wanted to do, I could have did.

[Flip]

I think freedom comes from within. And sometimes finance, I don't think finance can play a part in that. I think depending on. I think if you're living in a manner that you're happy and you can afford everything that you need to afford.

[Joe Button]

Then what else is there? See, I'm with that. I want to hear your point on this.

[Ice]

Will Smith that he was.

[Joe Button]

I want to hear what you have to say on that.

[Ice]

What's the. What's the Question. The definitive question.

[Joe Button]

Well, we've. We've advanced it from what I was saying, but I agree with what Parks is saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Like. Like, what do you need?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Identify.

[Joe Button]

Identify what you need and what you want.

[Ice]

True.

[Flip]

Right.

[Ice]

Like, what do most the of.

[Joe Button]

Of us need and what we want? No, but I'm saying combine them, not separate them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Combine them.

[Joe Button]

I need the car. I need the house. What else you need some clothes. Let me. I need some clothes. I need.

[Ice]

Whatever you need.

[Joe Button]

Combine them. Like what? Number just takes care of everything.

[Ice]

The pro. The problem is, once you hit that.

[Joe Button]

Then you're gonna want more.

[Ice]

You want more. Not everybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not everybody. A lot of people. No, that's true.

[Ice]

A lot of people is like, oh, I realized, damn, now this opens me up to a whole nother world.

[Joe Button]

All right?

[Ice]

Now I want that now. I want this now. I want to be able to.

[Joe Button]

But at least.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But at least at that point, you're at the moment, want space. To me, the piece comes at the point where I no longer have to stress about money. I still spend nights trying to figure out how to make some things happen. Not like food, but like, okay, I gotta pay my daughter's tuition. It's a senior year in college. I gotta pay that out of pocket. I gotta still figure shit out. I want to be in a space where I don't use brain time or emotional energy or lose an ounce of sleep thinking about how to make things happen. Literally anything past that to me is excess. I'm okay with some excess, but I'm just saying. And that's the point. That's where that's my dream, is just to get to that space.

[Flip]

A little access is. Access is fun.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I mean, but a lot of people.

[Joe Button]

When they reach that goal, like Ish said, like Free said, they do want more. You become complacent. You sit there, you trying to. And you're watching things. When you. When your eyes. When you start to see. When you walk into a room and you start to see different things you want to.

[Flip]

There's also a thing that happens too, with the more money you make. And I've experienced this. I remember my first time experiencing in this was. I think we were doing state of the Culture, and I was getting paid whatever rate. And then I found out if I bought my own, I could charge them like three times my rate. And it was like, oh, okay. I had to work less hard for way more money because I had the money to make this 15, $20,000 investment or whatever it was at the time. And I Think that's a thing that happens with people with money is you actually are worth working less at some point, so you become bored and now it's time to play another level.

[Ice]

I think it's a deeper conversation.

[Flip]

This is a very deep conversation.

[Ice]

I think that what happens is a lot of times people aren't happy with who they are, who they are married to.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Ice]

Who their life at home. And I think that they chase accomplishments as a means of fulfillment.

[Flip]

Yeah, agree.

[Ice]

So if I like me right now, it's me, me, my girl and my daughter and the dog and the Labrador and the new dog.

[Joe Button]

So what's his name?

[Ice]

Milo.

[Joe Button]

I don't use this word.

[Ice]

My baby wanted to name the dog. My baby wanted to name the dog Jack. I was with Jack. My.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of course you were.

[Joe Button]

And then.

[Ice]

So then my girl son said. Then she said lilo for Lilo and Stitch. Then they changed. So what I'm saying is I think a lot of times people chase things as a means of fulfillment like yo and that. And it distracts you, you know what I'm saying? Because necessarily, you don't necessarily be happy at home. So you want to be on a go. You want to be tackling this new adventure and this new deal that. You know what I'm saying, that's going to give you this temporary sense of fulfillment like a new car or new house. I think, I think where I am in my life, my nigga, if I had a 5,000 square foot house, that's enough for me. I don't need the 10,000 square foot house. I don't need the 12,000 square foot house. And I don't think that would change with regards to money. I think the size would be perfect. I'll go get some fly shit like with the pools. But I don't need a bigger house. If I had two cars, three cars, I'm cool with that. I don't need more. I think a lot of times people be searching for. For material possessions or more money as a means of.

[Joe Button]

Of. Of.

[Flip]

It could also be an addiction.

[Joe Button]

I told Angie last time I went to have hookah or dinner with her, I was like, yeah, I want to buy some. Want to build out someone like some $10 million house. I want a. A big. She's just like, why the ability? Why? Listen, I go on Zillow now.

[Ice]

Capricorn.

[Joe Button]

I'm a Zillow gangster at 45. If I ain't doing nothing, yeah, I'm gonna just type in some towns. I'm gonna just Type in some towns get the filter. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Now when huh?

[Ice]

You seen the top 15? Came out two days ago. I don't know that the top 15 wealthiest towns in New Jersey.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm sure I've seen that list.

[Ice]

Just came out.

[Flip]

I had a. I thought this is a very quick aside. I want to dwell too long. We were by the campfire a couple weeks ago when or months ago when I took that trip to Vermont. And we're joking about when you search things now. Like when you're shopping on Zillow for instance, what's the order that you choose lowest? First, low to high or high. This is a lot.

[Ice]

That's gangster. How life has changed.

[Joe Button]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm slow.

[Ice]

You know how they got the preferences.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or do you go by the highest price in the lowest price or the lowest price that I Joe Joe high below and filters.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Ice]

That changes things.

[Joe Button]

Look at God.

[Ice]

Look at God.

[Joe Button]

Cuz you really will start can see the low they give you the options. When I do the, when I, when I hit that advance button, you don't.

[Ice]

Get to page 12.

[Joe Button]

I get so potato turb. Did they start showing me some $700,000.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

House, $2 million house.

[Flip]

2 or 3 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What is this for, Milo?

[Joe Button]

What do you think? I'm a porri. Think about that. Might as well eat porridge every day.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe Button]

N but when I, when I, when I'm on Zillow and I and I'm scrolling and I'm scrolling, I go looking to see what some of these big ass fancy houses going to cost a month. Boy, I have fun doing that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Oh cuz they be having a little mortgage calculator.

[Joe Button]

Estimate. Yo, this estimate on the mouses I'm looking at. I think to myself, even if this seemed like a good idea today. Yeah. Why would somebody want to do this 10 years from now? 15 years be 70 years old paying 100 grand a month.

[Ice]

If it ain't, if it ain't no tax ramifications. A lot of times when be buying them houses, they don't even be living.

[Joe Button]

In them as banks.

[Ice]

They just be buying them banks. It's a bank, right? It's really their own personal bank.

[Joe Button]

And if you're doing that, then you've graduated from our talk. We're not speaking against that. Salute, cuz. I see those videos too of what y' all doing in that billionaire building. The tall over there at the top. Oh yeah. Where they stor living. Yeah. Don't nobody living there. Just dumping 50 million, 88 million. Yeah.

[Ice]

Yo, you want to know why Jay z bought the 97 million dollar house?

[Joe Button]

We'll show you.

[Ice]

And they'll break it down.

[Joe Button]

Hey, anytime a video come up from that billionaire building, I watch in complete detail. Me too.

[Ice]

Viral staircase and 100 units is amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

No, the realtor job is so easy. The whole is the best view in the world. It's the best view in the world. And then they walk you over here in. And this is the nook. Nook. My whole crib. You could sit. No, you could sit there and see the view.

[Ice]

What a bagel. Any.

[Joe Button]

Anywhere you go. Hey, this is a wine bar. You can see the view from here. Like, yo, from the bathroom. Yeah, y' all have too much. Y' all have way too much money. See, I don't know if I. I'm not. I'm not where I am today. I reserve the right to change my. Of course today.

[Ice]

I don't know if I ever need that, bro. They said the nigga got that and just stole art. I don't know if I would ever need that. Real quick.

[Joe Button]

Need. No, when you say that's a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not a need.

[Joe Button]

Hold on. When you say that's a bank, what.

[Flip]

Do you mean it's higher growth in your investment?

[Ice]

No, I say a bank. Like they were saying a dude that owned like some of the top up.

[Joe Button]

There used it to store art. It's like a vault.

[Ice]

Yeah, no, it's a way to play. What's the way people play with money. Okay, so you'll go buy that. You'll pull the money out. You'll invest the money that you pulled the money out over here, and your mortgage over here might be at a lower interest rate. So you're making money off the money that you. It's a game that the wealthy play not to invest taxes to duck the tax man. Shit like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Yeah, totally.

[Ice]

So if I'm investing the money I paid 100 million for something and I pull 90 right back out.

[Joe Button]

Got it.

[Ice]

So one, the $100 million that I spent might be not taxed on, right? So I pulled the 90 out. So the 90 is a long. You don't get taxed on loan money. You never. It's the loan. It's a loan. So now I might go put that loan money over here at 10%, 12%, and I'm only paying 4% on the money that I borrowed. So basically I'm making money.

[Flip]

And meanwhile, the house that you bought for $100 million is also.

[Ice]

In value.

[Joe Button]

Well, you figured it out. That was a trick. Figured it out. Yeah. I got you, fish. I got you.

[Ice]

It's not. It's not a trick to you.

[Joe Button]

Oh, oh, you my. You my dog figured it out.

[Ice]

But no, I see what you. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't need that.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead, treat yourself to that two family and summit, man. Go ahead and get yourself.

[Ice]

You think I live in a two family? You out your mind?

[Joe Button]

I didn't say live. I didn't say nothing about treat yourself. Go get a two family.

[Ice]

I wouldn't do that.

[Joe Button]

Why not?

[Ice]

It's not profitable for me like that, bro. I don't want to have this conversation.

[Joe Button]

Look at my boy. Profitable for me. Get that four family in north, though.

[Ice]

How I am.

[Joe Button]

They got some lots for sale in Jersey City. They do.

[Ice]

Jersey City is a gold mine, bro.

[Joe Button]

In the pictures, they show you the lot still with the fine fair on it, too.

[Ice]

You playing.

[Joe Button]

Mar. They show you the lot with all the stores you get to knock down. You playing? No, it's good numbers on some of them. Yo, when you.

[Ice]

My man is killing Trey City right now.

[Joe Button]

Yo, when you started. Look at my friend group.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm going to do when you start?

[Joe Button]

When you started getting. When you started getting money, right? Stops.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, stop doing that.

[Joe Button]

I was shooting. Stop laughing at that.

[Ice]

With that.

[Joe Button]

I'm shooting at him. Go ahead. When you started getting money, man, what made you get into real estate? Who made you get into real estate? Estate. And. Ish. Ish made you get a real estate. Okay, all right, all right.

[Ice]

That's what I want to know.

[Joe Button]

Just wanted to know when was that moment for you? And it was, am I into real estate? No. And he lied. What? The exchange.

[Ice]

He is in the real estate, but he ain't in the real estate in the capacity that he should be in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The real estate and could be.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but what made him start to invest in property?

[Ice]

When did my mother smack you upside your head? If you. You know Ms. Faye is outside, bro.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

I'm aware. Yeah.

[Ice]

What you doing, dummy? Well, what else I'm gonna do? I don't know if she'll say it like that, but she might.

[Joe Button]

What else I'm gonna do? That's like page one of the black people financial literacy book. So, I mean, what I'm gonna do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you usually. I watch people make really bad decisions with their. Well, I don't care if she. Don't care if she. Listen, my daughter's homegirl, she just inherited a bunch of money, a few hundred thousand dollars. And she called me, like, what should I do with it?

[Ice]

And you ain't give her my number?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I didn't want her to invest in that because, you know. Yeah, the drug laws are just real strict right now, you know, and we don't trust you.

[Joe Button]

She's not Mexican.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. It's gonna go different. No, but first thing she want to do is open a business. And I was like, this is a bad idea. You don't have experience with this business. Business you don't have. I'm not saying it's always a bad idea, but you. If you don't own a home already, she's renting, has a kid, you know, I mean, there are all these other factors, like, secure yourself, stabilize yourself. And I feel like sometimes buying a business that's going to grow that money fast becomes page one instead of the real page one, which we were taught, which is investing.

[Joe Button]

Get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get a house, pay it off, be able to take care of yourself, have a meal ticket forever. To me, that's the first thing. And then you can do all this other shit, but I don't. The thing she wanted to buy was not a crazy business, but it was just. It's real easy to lose a couple hundred thousand dollars if you don't have the money to invest in it.

[Ice]

I think people just want to progress and they don't know how to progress. And that's why a lot of times, again, I ain't giving them an ad. That's why I'll be saluting Troy and Rashad, because they open up the conversation to our demographic. You know what I'm saying? Like, these conversations weren't being had prior to. Now that shit is real, real, real popular. You know what I'm saying? And so I just think that nowadays, especially if you're young and you're blind black, you have way more people that you could go talk to than 10 years ago than five years ago, you know what I'm saying? To have these conversations.

[Joe Button]

So, yeah, we got to keep it up. You. I'm bullshitting. By the time I'm done, my own half of Pittsburgh returns is trash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They gonna call.

[Joe Button]

They go. They watch.

[Ice]

No, no, no. Pittsburgh got money.

[Joe Button]

Hey. By the time I'm finished, finish. Stop.

[Ice]

Your own Jersey City.

[Joe Button]

I'm joking, not joking. Don't make me say the word mother.

[Ice]

No, they can't get past you. You think you're Jersey City, homegrown kid. Bro, they'll give you lots. They'll give you. You got to participate in the community.

[Joe Button]

You face and like be like, donate the.

[Ice]

Yes, go buy the plate for 1500, 2000 a plate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This ain't even going to a sweet 16 need.

[Joe Button]

What are you talking about?

[Ice]

Yo, go. 5000 a plate.

[Joe Button]

That's small.

[Ice]

And have the conversations. They open to having the conversations, bro.

[Joe Button]

Go over there and buy some.

[Ice]

You think I'm playing?

[Joe Button]

I'm not. No, I don't. I don't. I was talking to S. I don't want to regionalize. I'll tell you what S said, but I'm telling you. Sal owned that barber shop on west side but 30 years. He told me what. What the. The. What the pet hospital next door sold for recently too. Like. All right, all right. We now.

[Ice]

My man just bought 6 unit on some brisky for the cheap.

[Joe Button]

Is there any news in the rest of the world that we got to talk about? Yeah, pardon us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My bad. Sorry. Mtv.

[Flip]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Still around? No, no, that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the news. Rest in peace. So we don't rest in peace.

[Joe Button]

Wait, the MTB is to going gone.

[Flip]

Their music channels are all clo. Obviously the entity of MTV still exists, but there's no more music channels whatsoever. Yeah, so now it's just tv.

[Joe Button]

But what's on there? Ridiculousness.

[Ice]

Reality.

[Flip]

Reality tv.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of money over there.

[Joe Button]

That's it. That's staky.

[Ice]

That is on. It's a shame.

[Flip]

It is a shame.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the end of an era.

[Joe Button]

Is a business opportunity. Word though.

[Flip]

Yeah, Dead ass.

[Joe Button]

Okay, who over there? Do. Who all there? Rob. What's his name?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

D. No, he going.

[Joe Button]

I think he can't still be there if he there. Yeah, I'm going.

[Ice]

He got equity.

[Joe Button]

If he there, I'm going. But I mean, we all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kurt L. You talking about? Who you talking about? Rob.

[Ice]

The little white dude?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Ridiculous.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's not there, is he?

[Joe Button]

Oh, that's what you talking about. No, I don't think he's there. Damn. I mean, what does this change? MTV wasn't here nowhere.

[Flip]

Yeah, I mean, YouTube has replaced MTV for.

[Joe Button]

For long.

[Flip]

A very long time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's just a sign, like an official like RIP for era and for a way of thinking about music and videos and content delivery and all of that. You know what I mean?

[Ice]

Like, do people still get.

[Joe Button]

In a.

[Ice]

Marketing budget for videos and stuff?

[Joe Button]

Well, it's not in the marketing budget.

[Ice]

You gotta shoot your own videos, bro. Really?

[Flip]

No, not necessarily. The label Will pay. Probably pay for your video. I'm sure everyone's case is different, but.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, the video budget.

[Ice]

A lot of folks, you get a.

[Joe Button]

Video about it, but I think that.

[Flip]

Would be part of marketing. But I could be wrong.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, they save money. You know, they get. They get the. From.

[Ice]

But is it really.

[Joe Button]

At Def Jam, we fought to keep them separate. I don't know what's going on today.

[Ice]

Oh, to keep the market and video budget separate.

[Joe Button]

Because that's where they bang you, crack you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, separate, you know. You know how much money they take out of your purse for. For marketing.

[Ice]

Yeah, her. I heard. It's insane. I heard that's one of the things.

[Joe Button]

Instead of give you 300, 000, but for marketing, they'll take more than half. Jesus.

[Ice]

More than that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. 170 to 200,000. You know, they.

[Ice]

They. But in this era, is it really worth it?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Yes, absolutely.

[Flip]

If it's a good video, for sure. I think I would argue maybe more so than it has ever been.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Between YouTube and Instagram and Tick Tock and all that, granted, it might not need to look. Look like what it used to look like.

[Ice]

Good point.

[Joe Button]

No, it's more important now.

[Ice]

That's a good point. I ain't thinking, you know, I could really be on that. That makes sense.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You just got to get somebody that's doing a cut for. A cut for Snapchat, a cut for Tick Tock Tick Tock. That's how I knew that flipping Mark fight was viral. Because Facebook folks started calling me from the company. No, Mark, people that's on Facebook. No, just people that's on Facebook. Like, yo, I'm seeing some clips. I'm like, oh, you seeing our on Facebook? Oh, we. We moving. Yeah.

[Ice]

Yo, bro, my phone was on fire that morning. My phone was on fire.

[Joe Button]

Next time I'll pay per view it. Mine wasn't on fire. Next time I'll pay per view.

[Flip]

I know Mark's was on fire.

[Joe Button]

I had to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. I got cursed out by a couple.

[Joe Button]

People disappointed in you.

[Flip]

Who was the most prominent person that cursed you up?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't say.

[Joe Button]

Damn it.

[Flip]

But was it an Obama?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but it was. It was a prominent.

[Ice]

Cover your mouth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's. I would. I wouldn't even tell y', all, cuz they asked me not to, but it was. It was a prominent person in our community.

[Ice]

You defended us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They weren't. They wasn't.

[Joe Button]

They.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They weren't Chris.

[Joe Button]

They were on him.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's the point. And on him, they could have on us, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got some of those, too. Like, this is what happens. You hang with them gorillas type.

[Joe Button]

But God damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that wasn't the. That wasn't. Wasn't. That was more the Internet than, like, people hitting me up.

[Joe Button]

Did that call bother you? Like, when they call somebody that you respect and hold. Wait, wait. No. That's what happens when you hang with the gorillas. Hey, I'll have you all know we had to hold this educator back.

[Flip]

Shout out to Amani for saving.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Amani for that massage. Like, yeah, we got. We got the. Hey, educators. We had to restrain the professor. Us gorilla, street hood, drug dealer, dope boy, crackheads.

[Ice]

He was the aggressor.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. He was the one that lost his temper at work. That was us.

[Ice]

Emotional intelligence.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

They going to stop talking about us a certain type of way. Don't do that.

[Flip]

We can't even say the word sucker up here anymore.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Ice]

Got to say lollipop.

[Joe Button]

Jesus. Job. Vacuum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But yeah, n. It was people just saying, you know, just remember who you are.

[Ice]

Yeah. You know that that's who you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That's part. They don't know.

[Ice]

They don't know that.

[Joe Button]

Tell them. Let's go, man. Big miss.

[Ice]

What was your other name at the cult?

[Joe Button]

Id stop rolling your r. Yo, are y'. All. Are y'. All. Y'. All Who y' all think y' all are?

[Ice]

I tend to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think anybody is.

[Joe Button]

No, but I ask you about anybody.

[Ice]

Yes. I don't know. Cause I don't think I'm. I don't think about myself like that.

[Joe Button]

I'm not who I think I am. Okay. If somebody ask you, if somebody said, who do you think you are? You're able to answer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, in that sense, yeah, I think I'm accurate. I think I'm pretty accurate.

[Flip]

I might act like Mark Lamont Hill. If someone says, who do you. Who do you think you are?

[Joe Button]

Suck ass. You mean you sucker. All right, y'. All. Y' all making jokes and Kiki. And Kiki. But I'm serious. Who. Who are? Like, can y' all answer? If somebody says, who is Parks? Who is Ice? Who is Ish. Who is Mark? And whatever you say, how far do you deviate from that is what I'm asking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I think I'm pretty accurate.

[Joe Button]

I think it's pretty accurate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think I'm pretty accurate.

[Joe Button]

Flip. You understand what I'm saying? I do understand what you're saying, put it like this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody. Just use this as example. So we talk about nobody who knows me or has heard me describe myself as a sense of who I think I am would be surprised by me and the things that I do here or elsewhere. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

I agree with that. I'm not who I think I am.

[Ice]

Like my friends that know me, they know what is in line. I think. I think the question would be hard for me to really answer because everybody got a bunch of different facets to who they are. So to put it in a few words is really complicated.

[Joe Button]

I would advance it though. To ask the person you think you are, is it a good person?

[Ice]

I think I'm.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Yes. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Would the people around you say that's a good person?

[Ice]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

You think you are? Yes.

[Ice]

Yes.

[Flip]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think so.

[Joe Button]

No, nobody ever calls me a good person. But I do think I'm a good person.

[Ice]

I think you're a good person.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I think too.

[Joe Button]

I think I'm in Joe. Oh yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

People don't really ask me about you like that in the sense of like is he good or bad?

[Joe Button]

Bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Cuz they have one view of me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, it's more Honestly what people ask me about you is more like how much of what we see on camera is. Is really, is really you. Like is it.

[Joe Button]

Is it a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it an act or is it like real life? That's more what it is. Not good or bad.

[Ice]

And I'm like yeah, I think it's a church in public.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

Sucker ass.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

Drugstore cotton.

[Joe Button]

That's cotton too. That's the. That you put the water on. It should fall apart. Nah, too short to boss with God. I'm cutting me off too. I'm counting. Listen that put his fingers on. Yeah, you got to count cuz you keep doing it. Listen, who I think I am, who I think I am. I don't think if you describe me to somebody that know me, they wouldn't believe it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's crazy.

[Joe Button]

The other way around, they wouldn't believe it. Cuz I think that who I am is like an eternal battle with. Of wanting to put out there to the public who they think I am and wanting to put out there to the public who I really am. Cuz only you know who you really are. Only you know how you really feel.

[Ice]

Are you against showing people who you are?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not sure I believe that.

[Flip]

I don't think I believe that at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think, I think it's the opposite.

[Flip]

Yeah, I think it's.

[Joe Button]

I mean, my wife had that same argument as y', all, but I. I don't agree with her. Look, I do. I'm sorry. You don't really.

[Ice]

You think anybody know who they really are?

[Flip]

So the short answer for you to Joe's question is just know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

No, I said no. But, but, but I advanced it because I have these conversations like I don't think you really know me because my mind advances every day. Like you might know. You might. You for real. You might. Yeah, it don't. It does. It does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It does.

[Joe Button]

For some years old wash of things you can't say. You can't see Mediterranean. Not every day there. Your mind is not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You said from what Mediterranean.

[Joe Button]

The Baltic advancing. It's all right. We love you for how you are. Look how they tear a black man down. I'm with you. Along with the white man. Look how they tear them down. Everybody laughing in the background. Look. No, come on. Stop it, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he said. I'm just articulating.

[Ice]

I was trying to ask you, are you a gitch showing people who you really are? It's not. It's not a therapy session.

[Joe Button]

Yes. My answer, yes.

[Ice]

Because I noticed that. Goddamn right you like, you hide that. It seemed like.

[Joe Button]

I don't think being who you are is for everybody. I think that's, you know, it's just for your family and your loved ones.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. And I think that, as I said, my mind advances every day. Even though you're making a joke that, you know, when I learn more, when I see more things, I'm determined to get it. I'm determined to be better. And if I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you.

[Joe Button]

If my communication is not there, there with my loved ones or whoever. Don't get no tissue from me. It's my community. My communication's out there with my loved ones. When I have the conversation. Like, you really don't know me. You know what I mean? So. Yeah.

[Ice]

Yo, it's a broadcast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What These room.

[Ice]

It's a broadcast. Nah, you said. You said for us to check you when you do a. I'm just gonna.

[Joe Button]

Let you know I'm checking. Get on my man face.

[Flip]

You see?

[Joe Button]

You see me right? Mark y. Get out his face.

[Flip]

Yo, Amani, the man needs a massage.

[Joe Button]

Yes, I'm right, bro. Have a peaches. Oh, no, you just old school.

[Ice]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do people miss about you? Like what. What is the thing about you that people don't see that. They don't know that they get wrong. Whatever my personality, like, what aspect of it.

[Joe Button]

Who am I? Pretty bad.

[Ice]

No, who I am quiet. He's kind. He's gentle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's the. I think that's the word. The second one. I think he's a lot kinder than people.

[Flip]

He got soft hands.

[Joe Button]

Soft cuddly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't know.

[Joe Button]

Warm.

[Ice]

After Friday, Hush Puppies.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you like hush Puppies?

[Ice]

Like Uggs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Mark, after Friday when you left, right.

[Joe Button]

I had a conversation with him when I tried to keep him hostage, and I told him that kept all of us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, now that's why you wouldn't come outside.

[Joe Button]

No, I was outside. I saw you outside not playing. I saw you. I stood there. I saw you outside. He did stay in here a while. I saw you out there. He did stay for half hour. Everybody, he gone. Everybody. Mark didn't want to say my hand. His bag. One of his straps is tighter than the other. I'm like this tight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I love Mark's little walkway. In the video, when y' all went to go and talk, and Mark hands his by side. He was right there, though. Like, he was like. Cuz he didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't follow me. No, not like. Not like that. I mean, like, let's work. Yeah, we went back to work. Not like he was. I mean, like, you didn't want.

[Joe Button]

You. You did the right. No, I mean your walk off. He was behind you. When you walked from there to there, I was like there. It was like a little. Like a little miniature man.

[Ice]

Like, he got wound up.

[Joe Button]

You know what I thought about ather, like, when I was standing there for a while, like, Mark came, put his arm around me. I'm like, all right, stop, stop. He came. He went like this to me. I'm like, stop. I think he was just trying to see. Let's try to size me up right there. And I'm just standing there. You got all the info we needed. I don't want no beef. I like you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody wants no beef, man.

[Joe Button]

I don't want to be. This is a happy family up here. It is Wednesday. I'm answering your question. What I was telling you, you Marcus, that I told Joe that some of the people that come up here and meet me, right. If they come for the podcast. Oh, wait, we still on you? Yeah, yeah. Some of their crews. Cause it's not really on me. When it's time for me to talk. I'll close it up, though. Yeah. When it's time. We spent a lot of time. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, you should. Some of the people that come up here, I told Joe, you know, when they talk about me behind the scenes, they talk about it like, yo, Flip is really standoffish. He's not really welcoming. We're talking about something. And I told Joe that, and I said, I have to get a little bit better at that. So, like, if some people come with the crew, like when O came, like, what's up? I'll be in the corner. I'll be over there.

[Ice]

That's not intentional.

[Joe Button]

So I want to get better at that. But, you know. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause you're public for all of us. I think our public Personas, people read a certain thing, so then they match the behavior to that. So they won't say, oh, he's shy. They'll be like, oh, he's being adult. Yeah. Same thing with Joe. Like, because you're a big personality. If you're in public and you don't talk to everybody, you're not gregarious, then people are going to make assumptions that you want some Hollywood shit.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I'm not going to be in the public. It don't matter what. What people got to say. I'm going be home or in a confined setting somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

That is it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, you got. I'm sorry, just. You had something on the board that I wanted to know what I.

[Joe Button]

What I put on the board.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Drug dealer versus drug user.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I saw that. I saw that floating around online. I might have saw it on Reddit and it said, drug dealer music versus drug user music. And you know, that talk has been had a bunch. Yeah. This time it struck me differently because it was never a conversation to be had. Like, I came in, I got my record deal in 2001. I put my album out in 2003.

[Flip]

You might have spearheaded Drug users.

[Joe Button]

My album was the drug user dream. Drug drug user story. Right. And at the time, that was a little told story. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So. And it wasn't a story anybody wanted to actually rep for. Nobody. You want to celebrate coming out and with pride, saying, hey, the drug users. Shortly after that took over, things changed a bit.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So this was the first time where I saw that, saw that topic and actually had had pause like, hmm, maybe there is a conversation to be had today. Now, why that talk has never mattered for me. On the drug dealer side, you. You get Jay Z, you get Jeezy, you get Pusha. I put big in there, too. And that's a hard. That's A hard. That's a hard out.

[Flip]

There's a lot more.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Flip]

There's basically anybody really damn near up until 2000, 2004.

[Joe Button]

Yes, maybe.

[Flip]

But really, probably not even on a mainstream level till 2009.

[Ice]

I'm telling you, Wayne's I Feel like drawing. I Feel like Dying made the drug user music mainstream. That particular song, that's where it switched.

[Joe Button]

What year is that?

[Ice]

Is that.

[Joe Button]

Oh, eight.

[Flip]

I gotta check somewhere in that range.

[Ice]

Yeah, I'll. I'll give you the exact year somewhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In there at the end of the odds.

[Joe Button]

Okay, so Wayne stole my style, basically.

[Flip]

You said it off.

[Joe Button]

But anyway, on the drug user side, if we get. We got Eminem for sure. We got DMX07. Was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was.

[Flip]

I feel like dying X didn't necessarily.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, see, I don't.

[Ice]

That's. See, I don't put that as drug user.

[Flip]

He didn't rap about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He just was one.

[Flip]

Yeah, he just was one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Flip]

There's bad people that were.

[Joe Button]

All right, so give me. We got the weekend for sure. Future. We got future. I.

[Flip]

Actually, most of these young kids.

[Joe Button]

Hey, you know, we got all the young kids of them. You got all the young kids.

[Ice]

The first hit might have been three six Mafia Sipping on some Scissor.

[Flip]

Oh, that's valid. That's valid.

[Ice]

Even though Wayne, I still say, like, inspired everybody to do it. Sipping on some Scissor might have been the one. Facts, of course, that was southern culture, but that record went nationwide.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

That's weird, though.

[Joe Button]

That's a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's weird. Like crucial.

[Flip]

Insert the Bob Saget sky.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I always took my mind playing tricks on me to be a. A. A drug song too. Again, I feel like technically it's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not, though, mental illness. It is, I think, because Bushwick has such mental illness. A lot of it for me, I mean, clearly it's about that, but it's also about just mental illness, paranoia.

[Joe Button]

Thinking somebody coming to kill you. Like. Yeah.

[Flip]

I also like weed and hallucinogens from the drug user music conversation, because I feel like, first of all, that genre has been around since the 60s. Not in rap, but in music, period.

[Joe Button]

For sure. Drug user music. We. I feel like we get Kanye.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, say more.

[Joe Button]

Kanye has talked more about using drugs. Well, he's. I don't think I ever heard him talking about dealing drugs.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He.

[Joe Button]

He. God. I'm not saying he is a drug user rapper. I'm saying if we talking about.

[Ice]

If you got to put him in.

[Joe Button]

One of the Music versus drug dealing music. Then we get the songs. It don't have to be the artist.

[Flip]

I'm not putting Kanye.

[Ice]

Yeah, No, I don't draw. Yeah, I don't put Kanye either.

[Joe Button]

One of those. Kanye got way too many songs where he's the one bringing drugs to the party and now is getting their bleached and everybody's having a threesome and an orgy. He got mad songs where he's bringing the drugs and it's a fun time.

[Flip]

Fair to some degree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, when I think of those songs, I think more about the orgies and the bleaching than I do the drug part of it. Maybe that's me. Maybe I need to go back and relisten to it. But drugs don't seem like the center of those songs the way it does with some of them other artists.

[Joe Button]

Well, they say to Kanye, they say, I don't know. It had is and has been addicted to the Laffy Gassy.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

The nitrous.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

He's rapped about that quite a bunch. I'm just saying he got some songs that can be put there, is all I'm saying. You don't have to be there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who else?

[Joe Button]

I just think today it's more of a conversation it's ever been, is all I'm saying.

[Flip]

Fair the drug.

[Joe Button]

That's all.

[Flip]

I think a drug dealer, I think.

[Joe Button]

Is bigger than it's.

[Ice]

It's big.

[Joe Button]

Probably do still win.

[Ice]

I think it's because these are drug users now.

[Joe Button]

More so.

[Flip]

And I think it's. The music has hurt as a result.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And hey, who are the drug dealers selling to? All of these people are the product of the drug dealer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Some chronological. Exactly sense in there.

[Joe Button]

All right. So for now, the drug deal I'm at.

[Flip]

The issue was gone for this conversation.

[Joe Button]

Issues. Never done a drug in his life. He's just been running around licking his lips for 50 years. What else?

[Ice]

Well, we did rip MTV and we. We have to throw another RP up there for RP.

[Joe Button]

Y' all ain't rep for Diana. Diane.

[Flip]

Diane. Rest in peace, Diana.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Y refer from 97. Go ahead.

[Joe Button]

Get your back. Go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I did rip today. Who else supposed to do RIP for. For D. Diane Keaton.

[Joe Button]

You don't do white rips.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Joe Button]

You don't do white ones.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Diane Keaton is a legend. One of the questions. Greatest actors of all time. My favorite role of her, of course, is K. That scene with her and Pacino when he closed the door on her face. And the Godfather, to me, is one of the most beautiful and powerful scenes in movie history. Because there's no talking. And you don't even. You don't even need talking. Because they're such powerful actresses, actors and actresses. Of course, Diane Keaton had a much longer career with a string of movies. You're a Diane Keaton fan, right? I'm not being funny one way.

[Ice]

It's cool. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What were some of the movies that. That you. That you rock with?

[Ice]

One of the shits I really with. And they just. Excuse me, Pardon me. Talked about. This is the movie with Sarah Jessica Parker. And they was at the dinner table.

[Joe Button]

It's not ringing the bell. Sex of the City. Wait.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This play too much.

[Joe Button]

The Christmas joint. Oh, come alone.

[Flip]

Unfortunately, some of her best roles were Woody Allen movies.

[Joe Button]

I'm just.

[Flip]

I'm. Come out and say it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And he's a monster and he's a creep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They made great films together, right? That was her breakthrough role.

[Joe Button]

Annie.

[Flip]

Annie hall is where she got her Oscar.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe that's where everybody knew her. Was that 78, something like that.

[Flip]

Somewhere in that they did a bunch of films together. I think they may have dated. She also dated, I think Warren Beatty. But it was very adamant single woman vibes for her whole life. Still behind. Behind it, right? Recipes.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Rest in peace. I gotta grow my circle, man. Well, I never hear white people do rips. I don't hear that.

[Ice]

They might.

[Joe Button]

There's no way. Listening to the white outlets where one of the great whites die and whites be all shooken up on here. Kind of like we was for d'. Angelo.

[Ice]

They do.

[Joe Button]

Like, why they don't do that for somebody. They do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a few that's going, who would it.

[Joe Button]

But Charlie Kirk. That's the last time I seen him. Oh, Charlie, for real.

[Ice]

Tell me.

[Joe Button]

That should be enough. They're going crazy for bro. No. When they stepped out for Charlie Kirk, I was like, oh, there they go.

[Flip]

Fireworks.

[Joe Button]

Yo. This guy is a whole halftime show, yo.

[Ice]

You're a fool, my nigga.

[Joe Button]

They don't rep like that all the time, is all.

[Flip]

They fired six different people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a couple that would get. Who do y' all think would get the whites going? Like if they died? Like for black people? We know if something were to, God forbid, happen to Stevie Wonder, may he live another hundred years, we would lose our minds. Who would it be?

[Ice]

Jack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jack Nicholson.

[Joe Button]

Nicholson.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

He's Jack.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Jack Nicholson.

[Ice]

He's a white great.

[Joe Button]

Jack Nicholson. Tom Hanks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tom Hanks, definitely Leonardo.

[Flip]

I don't, I don't even like putting this.

[Joe Button]

McCartney some roles, you think?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would think maybe.

[Joe Button]

Man talked about.

[Flip]

That one song at one time.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. The song you keep reminding me about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's crazy racist song or what?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was wild.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I love Guns and Roses, but yeah.

[Flip]

Sweet child mine will always.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sweet Child of Mine is one of the greatest. It's in my top 20 songs all November.

[Flip]

Rain also fire.

[Joe Button]

But Jesus, he got a racist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When? When especially have a black bandmate.

[Flip]

I don't know.

[Joe Button]

80S hard.

[Ice]

Er.

[Joe Button]

Rs.

[Flip]

Hard.

[Joe Button]

Hard what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Extra Rs.

[Flip]

I think I played it on here.

[Joe Button]

I read the lyrics. Yeah, I think you did read that.

[Flip]

I didn't read that lyric.

[Ice]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's bad. So I think he made white people rap. Yo, come on. Come on.

[Flip]

Dan K. Was great.

[Ice]

No, she was dang.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He wasn't. What's the grease?

[Joe Button]

All right. By mistake that, that had led us to a different talk. But y' all did the right thing with her name. Yeah. Now, so I'm. My soul is fed. Rest in peace, Diane Keaton. That to the side. Let me just hit everybody with a quick Hulk Hogan. See if I hear, if I hear, if I hear that name. Okay. All right, so we can continue to. Earlier, somebody made a mistake and threw Nicole Kidman's name in the mix.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah. That was crazy.

[Joe Button]

And I, I, I rep from Nicole Kidman. So as long as we not mentioning Nicole Kidman name, then she was. Yeah. Who did that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Special. He's special. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Again, Cole Kidman is not to be toyed with, not to be played with.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing. There's another level above her.

[Joe Button]

But wait, wait. I'm, I'm fine with that. But what is it? Mery Street? Oh, I'm not, I'm not mad at that Julia Roberts. I'm not. No. Though. What?

[Flip]

Julia Roberts is hurt too.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on, hold on.

[Ice]

Julia Roberts is not above Nicole Kidman.

[Joe Button]

I need a phone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not arguing that. I'm talking above Meryl Streep. I'm saying above Meryl Streep.

[Ice]

Oh, I said above Jul. I'm not fighting above Nicole Kidman.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you were saying Julie Roberts is on the same chair as Meryl Streep. That's what I was saying.

[Ice]

No, it's not a bad argument.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a terrible argument. I got Mel Streep and then I.

[Ice]

Got everybody else, but it's not a bad argument. I wouldn't fight over that Julie Roberts. Is up there. Nicole Kidman got a lot of mix.

[Joe Button]

Mid.

[Flip]

She got a lot of heat, too.

[Ice]

She has a lot of. I'm looking right now. It's a lot of mid on here. She got a lot of movies.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn.

[Joe Button]

But wait, who talked about Nicole Kidman? Now, what's this name y' all saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Julia Roberts.

[Flip]

She got some eat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't disrespect Julia Roberts now.

[Joe Button]

She's special. Let me see something.

[Ice]

No, Nicole Kidman's IMDb, it's long. Is crazy.

[Joe Button]

All right, let's try this a different way. Way. How you spell Julia?

[Ice]

J, U, L, I, A. Don't do that, Joe.

[Joe Button]

I just want to look.

[Ice]

Stop.

[Joe Button]

Okay? I just want to look. I'm not saying nothing. I'm uneducated until I ain't. Okay, let me just look. Let me just look. You can read some office heat on here. It's heat. Heat. He.

[Ice]

I'm looking.

[Joe Button]

I can't play with Julia Roberts. Yeah.

[Ice]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

There we go. I can't believe.

[Ice]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Joe Button]

I ain't gonna fight just to fight.

[Ice]

No, no, no. Like, Nicole Kidman got a bunch of movies, though. She do, but most Robins is tough.

[Flip]

And TV shows, too, by the way.

[Joe Button]

But Julia Roberts shouldn't be on the Nicole Kidman tier.

[Ice]

She's not?

[Joe Button]

No.

[Ice]

We saying she's on the tier above Nicole Kidman.

[Joe Button]

Oh, all right. I don't have no beef. I ain't got to be for that. Y' all gonna run out of names soon, though. Of the above. Nicole Kidman, tier above.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, I agree.

[Ice]

It might be just them, too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Then give me. Give me something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't no topics.

[Joe Button]

Give me, give me. Give me one more.

[Ice]

Let me see something before I say the name I want.

[Joe Button]

I had to look it up. Judy Roberts. I ain't gonna play with her. Meryl Streep. Y' all got that. Angelina Jolie. Don't be stupid. No, she's fired.

[Flip]

Yeah. Let's relax.

[Joe Button]

Don't be dumb. Let's not even do it. Yes. I'm not even gonna say her name. Respect. She adopting the kids somewhere after her everywhere in the school.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Respect the hook of the kid who. She. Who she was married to. Yo. All right, we got Shout Out Brad Pit. He took the toughest white and walked all over. Hey, they thought. They thought Angelina Jolie was about something. Hey, Brad P. Came put and put belt to ass. Careful. Yeah. Airplane.

[Flip]

I think there were some accusations that made even. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I only see. Oh, I take it back.

[Ice]

Who you got that could be in that conversation. Cate Blanchett. That's it for me. I was gonna say Demi Moore, but it's a lot more mid. But she got a lot of heat in here. Debbie Moore used to be Demi Moore got heat. No, no, no, no. It's too much. It's too much. It's too much mid on the outside. Especially if you take that ghost away.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Nicole Kidman might be my favorite current white lady.

[Flip]

If she's on something on that tv. I'm pretty.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm there. It's a short bet. It's a short bet. A bit as I feel about Meryl Streep. How you feel about Katherine Hepburn? Like just some people were just up there on another level.

[Joe Button]

Oh, you just like the like 90 year olds. My mom, Kather Heber was her body.

[Ice]

You about to put that on your shoulder. Yo, this guy is crazy.

[Joe Button]

You got to be 300 now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She did.

[Flip]

Yeah. She's been for a while.

[Joe Button]

Actresses on they said CL Kate Blanch.

[Ice]

Kate Blanch is tough is on. You know, that might be it.

[Flip]

You say, I like Natalie Portman, but she's not in this kind of east.

[Ice]

Ron is tough too, but they said Sandra Bullock. Sandra Bullock don't do that.

[Joe Button]

That is a fight.

[Ice]

That's a fight. I forgot that. That's a good one.

[Joe Button]

Sandra Bullock might be above her.

[Ice]

Yeah, bro. Yes, she could. Sandra Bullock and acting a as ability.

[Joe Button]

She's about they said Kate Winet, I'm done with you. I'm done with you. What about Jod Foster? I'm done.

[Ice]

Oh, no, hold up. Jody Foster, she's tough, though.

[Joe Button]

N I'm repping now. Now I'm repping. Now I'm rapping.

[Ice]

I think that Jody Foster might can act better than Nicole Kidman. Nicole Kidman just been in more based on what movie?

[Joe Button]

Don't say signs.

[Ice]

The lamps don't go to No, I wasn't going there. I wasn't going there. She Yo, y' all know how y' all know how I like actors and actresses and white girls based on they they, they, they.

[Joe Button]

I was waiting for that somebody to it was he trying to clean it. Know how I like what act? I mean, actress is actors.

[Ice]

My song now.

[Joe Button]

White girl Juliet.

[Ice]

No, I just I like range. So if you could do Silence of the Lambs but then you could go do some other where it's just 180 degrees. I I I with that.

[Joe Button]

Jody Forester gave the same speech in every movie. I can remember it being in there. I caught you give it up.

[Ice]

No, she did the.

[Joe Button]

That she was the killer.

[Ice]

They. They beat up. And then she went on a manhunt killing all the. That was crazy.

[Joe Button]

Okay. That's gonna get a demon on the train. Those words. Time code. All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every got the time code.

[Joe Button]

Just a train. You can't have those words back to back.

[Ice]

Y' all come in here, talk about.

[Joe Button]

Docs every week, have certain words. Back to back. They go. They was on our ass about our Jlo. Enough take.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Ice]

I knew that was going to happen.

[Joe Button]

It was so funny. That was funny.

[Ice]

Did you watch it?

[Joe Button]

We said she should. We said she should have lost.

[Flip]

I still didn't watch it.

[Joe Button]

Oh. For episode Enough.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I never saw it either. On my list for this week.

[Joe Button]

Enough is a classic. You have to watch enough. Yo, you got to watch enough. You got to watch it.

[Ice]

Mark has never seen a bunch of classic movies. That ain't nothing that you need.

[Joe Button]

Enough is a classic.

[Ice]

You got to watch enough.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I watch it. I watch it. I watch it. Like in the Uber ride or something, yo.

[Joe Button]

No, there's. There's classic movies and then there's good bad movies. Classic. Yo, I'm in the crib. I'm in the crib. Let me know. Ain't else.

[Ice]

All right, cool.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Those Enough is a classic of that Got you. It may not be Titanic. Classic of what?

[Ice]

That ain't the Minnow is you talking about.

[Joe Button]

Listen, if you got some free time has the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You think SS Minnow reference. Gilligan island reference. How old are you?

[Joe Button]

That Titanic.

[Ice]

That nigga's crazy. I don't ask you to watch much.

[Joe Button]

He definitely did say the SS Holy. Oh, man.

[Ice]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You got a birthday coming? Coming up. Yeah. What we doing, Yo? Hey. What are you and Milo doing? The dog park. The dog park.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your birthday. Your birthday.

[Joe Button]

Top of the year, right? Is.

[Ice]

Yeah. So what's up?

[Joe Button]

This is 50, right? Oh, we got to do something. Yeah. Come on, come on, come on. Talk. Don't make me pull teeth right now.

[Ice]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

Come on. Talk to me.

[Ice]

It's not my bag. You know I don't be on that. All right.

[Joe Button]

So can we throw you a party?

[Ice]

I don't care about that. Can we throw you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we throw you a party?

[Joe Button]

50.

[Ice]

Yeah. I might go away, but if I'm here, sure.

[Joe Button]

Y' all can. I might not be there. I think we actually should do that. I think we should have a party whether it comes or not. Exactly.

[Ice]

Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good, cuz.

[Joe Button]

I've been looking for a reason to get my little spot over there in that Queen island, whatever island that is. What island? That was Roosevelt island, some shit. Randall. Randall. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The ish birthday party over there. Yeah.

[Ice]

At Randall's Island.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Sexy. It's a spot over there. Sexy, sexy, sexy. I was going, I thought about doing my birthday dinner there, but I didn't think it was big enough. But I loved the spot enough to where I was like, you know what?

[Flip]

So you're saying ish has less friends than this?

[Joe Button]

No, it just has way more friends. Yeah, exactly. Me. But this is n. This is sexy, yo.

[Ice]

That would have been fire. All right, so what's up?

[Joe Button]

We doing party Randall.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love it.

[Joe Button]

No, it's funny. My dad, his birthday is selection of Spotify video podcast. Don't worry, don't worry. Don't show me nothing else. But his birthday is like in the early January. January early Jan. So what's the New Year's plans too? Yeah, Word.

[Flip]

We got to figure out some holiday.

[Joe Button]

Plays for your birthday. I'm snuffing you of GP. I respect you. You got to do something 50 you have to do. We know that's not your thing. We know you don't care. We know that you smooth, smooth brother. Whatever.

[Ice]

Your to your ACL.

[Joe Button]

Smooth jazz C 101.5. All that.

[Ice]

You want a theme for your birthday party?

[Joe Button]

No, like 80s drug dealer Roman Empire. We do it, we'll do it, we'll do it.

[Ice]

We'll do 80s drug dealer thing.

[Flip]

Good.

[Joe Button]

He wanted theme. He do. He want. He just don't like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you so proud.

[Joe Button]

Just think of a theme for ish park he don't want to count on. I think 80s drug dealers, perfect drug dealer, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

H. Borrow some clothes.

[Joe Button]

Got you. I got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Ice]

I'mma give you this.

[Joe Button]

You already dressed for it.

[Ice]

Sergio just got to get.

[Joe Button]

We all could come in like we got shot. Case. Let me put a little hospital gown on my. Hey, we go all be victims.

[Flip]

Get a little catheter bag.

[Ice]

It's crazy.

[Joe Button]

No, I can't have the gown with my ass out. Pause. Something wrong with this.

[Ice]

Yo, we all laser our ass. My girl hairs out.

[Joe Button]

Blackheads out. My ass. Yes.

[Flip]

I swear there's something to talk about.

[Joe Button]

What if she's hurting? So I was like, how? She said, nah, stay still. She took a picture. That's back to my are you who you think you are? Conversation. When she showed me a picture of my ass, I said, yo, you look 70.

[Ice]

Yo, your ass was old as hell.

[Joe Button]

Who is this? His ass Away from me. She said, holy, yo. This nigga Holy fool, yo. All right, tmi. Tmi, tmi. Let's see what else is up there. Stephen A. We did Audrey Wilson. We did Akon. We did Diane Keaton. We did drug dealing music. We did MTV is done. We did. And I don't have a phone, so.

[Ice]

Another minute.

[Joe Button]

I don't know what time it is, what day it is. I don't know what else is important. All right. God damn it. We're bringing back sleepers for the God.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

We got to bringing back sleepers for d', Angelo, who we lost, and for Diane Keaton. For the homies. For the homies today they talking about they. Yeah, yeah. We got to do it the right way for D, man. Rest in peace, d', Angelo, man. Shout out to the heads out there. Shout out to the R B heads. The neo soul heads just ahead. Hey, hey. Yes, sir. Yummy. Let's go. Here you go. D'. Angelo. Feel like making love on the sleepers. Sa it. Y' all know what this is about, man. Feel like making love. D' Angelo one of the greats. Hey, hey, audience, listen. I want to cut it off. I want to cut it off, but hard to. I'm a musician. My favorite part of this, let the musicians cook, nigga. Hey, I see some of y' all be asking out there, too. Joe. What does Joe be calling himself a musician? What instrument does he play? My dick, nigga.

[Flip]

Skin flu.

[Joe Button]

He nosy. Your mother? I play your mom. Oh, I miss your mom's jokes, yo. Oh, was funny. Your mom's jokes was the greatest. Well, what. Yeah, I'm. Let it cook that. You make it ass up. Get some culture here. Go. Wait a minute. Hey, you being our restaurants getting extra oxtail gravy all the time down to see your post. Wait, what you say you be in our restaurants all the time getting extra oxtail gravy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fill up the place.

[Joe Button]

That's a fact. They know what to do when I walk in there. That's a fact. They know what to do when I walk up in there. Get the big spoon. Get the big spoon. You know, it's. Hey, I really had fun today. I don't know if that's just because our last paw was so chaotic, but I did have a really good time today, man.

[Ice]

Me, too. No, the pot felt good, though.

[Joe Button]

Thank you. Thank you all today for showing up, not stabbing nobody, not fighting, not triggering your co. Thank you all for making me look like I can lead men. Just for two hours, man. Just for Two hours.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're welcome.

[Joe Button]

I appreciate y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Ice]

Hey, yo, you go. If you go to the Blue Note and this on.

[Joe Button]

Hey, maybe with something she don't start.

[Ice]

Rubbing your thigh in the car. You ain't. You ain't him, homeboy.

[Joe Button]

And if you happen to be in the Blue Note, that New Orleans crawfish soup. Whatever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get it, get it.

[Joe Button]

I'm going to get me some lasagna soup. That was d'. Angelo. Feel like making love. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down.

[Ice]

Keeping it d', Angelo, man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it.

[Ice]

I'm going to play Brown sugar.

[Joe Button]

You let it go. You let it go, man. Or d' Angelo music.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's no wrong answer.

[Joe Button]

No wrong answer with Daniel Angelo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he could have gave him a little yeah, he could have gave him a little bit. He never heard that. He never heard the AZ remake. Az.

[Ice]

Yo, stop. Yo, yo. Don't be disrespectful.

[Joe Button]

You're not gonna believe it. AZ killed this year. The AZ addict.

[Ice]

Don't be disrespectful.

[Joe Button]

My bad, my bad, my bad.

[Ice]

Brown sugar, baby.

[Joe Button]

Back when y' all thought he was talking about a lady. I want some of your brown sugar.

[Ice]

I want something.

[Joe Button]

Can't even tell girls this no more. Hell no.

[Ice]

You going to jail.

[Joe Button]

Book them down after they sue you. You want some of my brown watts? Caramel with the cocoa eyes. Even got a big sister by the name. He got it. He got it. Don't let him do it. We only d' angelist.

[Flip]

Good call back.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we got. Let him do it. Be sad inside it now behind the.

[Ice]

Story goes Brown sugar got me open now I want some more. Always down for my logic But I think I'm here to sober hold my don't pop stick out my tongue and I'm about ready to hit this pretty.

[Joe Button]

Pretty bitty with my sisters.

[Ice]

Your mouth beat your head.

[Joe Button]

Brown sugar. Bab I get high off in love don't know how to behave Sa.

[Ice]

And again, d'. Angelo.

[Flip]

Brown sugar, Rest in peace.

[Ice]

Rest in peace, bro. Rest in peace.

[Flip]

I had a couple different ways I was gonna go. It's just taking mine one of my ways. But I'm there's more. This is Cold World Jizza remix with the angel.

[Joe Button]

Let's go.

[Ice]

It was the 1914 years and all through the project, not a handgun was silent. Not even a tech outside of the stuff by enemies who put fear and blasted in the spot before the pigs were dead. You know hoods rob and snipers new in Sight Lou and White they escape before them flash the lights Gunshots shatter.

[Joe Button]

First floor window panes Shells hit the.

[Ice]

Ground and blood stains and dice games but the flow calisthenic any style you.

[Joe Button]

Said it these toothless physically cut up.

[Ice]

Like gooses But I ain't on the side Thugs took no excuses therefore your.

[Joe Button]

52 hand blocks is useless Links are.

[Ice]

Snatched off next scars on pro Jack is tough knock the bullet rips through coats against those who dump the cold from the steel made him cold and.

[Joe Button]

Squeal Once the metal hit the temple.

[Ice]

Of his grill Construction worker who was caught for his bomber no time to swing the hammer that was hanging from his farmers in his bug how some.

[Joe Button]

Kept slugs and pockets dug from everything except check scubs and it does sound.

[Ice]

Ill like whores in Brownsville or fatal robberies in Red Hook with feds luck for fugitives to shoot Cops laying on who tops for his cream stashed in a shoebox but he was hot and the strip was built the young killers you don't suspect so cops beat like.

[Joe Button]

Caterpillars and poor thieves they hooded with.

[Ice]

Extra bullets those who try to flee they hit the murder rate Increase the.

[Joe Button]

Murder rate Similar to hitmen who pull.

[Ice]

Out text and then drop those crack like tacos from Mexican rapid like recipients casting checks again back to the spot.

[Joe Button]

Undercover ease up and grand pries and seas packages and pocket the currency clicks control strips full clips to spray yellow tape barricades I walk to body blades Madness strikes at 12 o' clock midnight.

[Ice]

Stick up kids on the ground hope.

[Joe Button]

The staircase light and I stay as harassed scrambling for Betty cash zakes on my ass Young bucks is learning fast.

[Ice]

357S and 44s port inside corner stores.

[Joe Button]

Provide sprouts to wars Hospital floors surrounded.

[Ice]

By the law Homicide questioning while it takes guard the door My hood stating.

[Joe Button]

Loyalty Put SM in my team cuz make the cream some in the chip Black galon shout out to Chinese restaurant.

[Ice]

Foolish kid named Lamont I thought he.

[Joe Button]

Was dead but instead he missed a.

[Ice]

Kid and hit a 12 year old.

[Joe Button]

Girl in the head and then fled Tactical narcotic task force back off fast.

[Ice]

Cause the crime boss is bashing off.

[Joe Button]

G exhausts for street causes Be having followers of Indians trying to play you Witness the saga casualties and drama life is a split I'm not an actor.

[Ice]

But the author of Modern day Papa.

[Joe Button]

We'Re the main character it's presidential paper.

[Ice]

The dominant factor.

[Flip]

Cold world remix Jizza Inspector Deck d' Angelo rest in peace.

[Ice]

I don't Think I ever heard that before? I don't think so. I'm going to Devil's Pie off the Belly Sound Favorite songs ever. Yeah, that's my.

[Joe Button]

Sign.

[Ice]

Feel the high Vomit I spy behind the jail or in the grave have a lady it's better me if I.

[Joe Button]

Die with.

[Ice]

At a time One apocalypse ain't no doubt Everybody's holding out all the loop all clout Right or wrong do or die Old avengers pacify Watch your back so will I In these days and time Check it out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't.

[Joe Button]

No justice just us Ash the ashes.

[Ice]

Dust the dust Time has come for.

[Joe Button]

Most of us Choosing which God we.

[Ice]

Trust I know I want to die sour A piece of my 85 summer.

[Joe Button]

Fly.

[Ice]

Down.

[Joe Button]

Killing each other in the streets the devil.

[Flip]

As devil's pie d' Angelo. I love that they just let Pre get his off on it. That might be his best performance movie.

[Ice]

That's how they describing enough.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, wait.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll talk about that in our day.

[Joe Button]

Wait, say what? Belly bro.

[Ice]

I mean how they Belly movie ends after the intro.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You cut it off after that, right? This is just a video.

[Joe Button]

No. Yeah, that's it.

[Ice]

After the intro.

[Joe Button]

Lenox Africa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Africa's far.

[Joe Button]

Yo, let's go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go to Africa.

[Ice]

It was beautiful.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Ice]

No, Belly is some.

[Joe Button]

That's amazing.

[Ice]

No, it's not amazing.

[Flip]

I love it. I loved it.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's painful to watch.

[Ice]

I watch. I watch baby boy before I watch Belly.

[Flip]

Mark, what are you playing?

[Ice]

Mark.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead. Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going with changed my I'm going to go with really Love by d' Angelo N. Why you play the other cuz I already mentioned it on the show.

[Ice]

What? That was my got to watch him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I love this joint too.

[Flip]

I got to go back to this album. I remember not liking it at the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Time, but I think you would feel different.

[Flip]

I might.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just like it.

[Ice]

Sa.

[Joe Button]

When you call my name I'm a open up to me me I love.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you.

[Joe Button]

Come to me all night I wish for it Sam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my right there.

[Flip]

That is fire that. I gotta go back to that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the album people gotta go back to.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Black Messiah is the one.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Flip]

At the time maybe it was just too abstract for me at the time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's right. And. And I think when there's a 14 year gap between albums people. A lot of people were starting still listening. They wanted. They went to Voodoo.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Flip]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he gave him something different.

[Flip]

Rest in peace d'.

[Joe Button]

Angelo Again, rest in peace.

[Flip]

Massive loss.

[Joe Button]

D', Angelo. I miss you and I love you, man.

[Flip]

Word.

[Joe Button]

All right. Yo, if you're not subscribed to the Patreon, please subscribe to my Patreon, Patreon Forward, sl, Joe Button, pa, Father that, Himity, iii, all of that. Please subscribe to Queen's Flips Patreon. That's Patreon forward slash, whatever. Flip named it. Flip the network now. Say it right, say it right. YouTube Insecure. I'm always trying to play with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Take a line from the Internet, too.

[Joe Button]

You take a line from the Internet, always. Yeah, I didn't know if it was Queen slip or Flip. Flip back. I'm trying to get 100 million.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Move.

[Joe Button]

You're in the way. I am a million. I'm trying to get my 100 million. Yo, audience, listen up. Say my man, right? Please subscribe to Brother Dark, Lamont Hill's Patreon, which is Patreon forward slash Mark Lamont Hill official. Lamont Hill official, and last and least.

[Flip]

This unofficial, Marco Hill Patreon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Probably.

[Joe Button]

Waiting all day for that. Give my massage, yo. Don't stop, yo. You good at that. Massoud. Last but certainly not least, please subscribe to Imani's Patreon Amani Forward slash. You know, we don't need just all eyes on E. Nobody do all that. I mean, Patreon, that's one. I have my Patreon before I got up here. Don't do that. Don't matter when I'm in the meeting. That's the thing. What you're saying is fact. Don't touch me. What you're saying is. What you saying is fact. Way before I got up here. Way before. Don't touch me. That's a Fact.

[Ice]

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[Joe Button]

Also never in 2018. 1200 pledges. Flip. You watch that mouth. You in the way of my 100 million. Okay, okay. It don't matter where what you had. It's what I can claim when I walk in the corner office, which. And that's going to be you. Me and you could beef about it privately. But in that office. In that office.

[Ice]

Why beef? Why not bust down?

[Joe Button]

Cuz he got a beef. Cuz he got the beef.

[Ice]

Why not bust down?

[Joe Button]

I don't got the beef. Bust down N. If you do it.

[Ice]

And I ain't talking about a watch.

[Joe Button]

If you do it right, I'm good. You can take the name me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's why.

[Joe Button]

Look, look, look. I'm brokering it for you. Oh, that. Oh, Mandy, really Scooped. Yo, Mandy really scooped. Fooled this man. And it's four years apart, and he got some intel. He got some information out of that. Mandy, God damn it. Use whatever you're gonna use on the gram. Trying to be a snack, too. Look at you. I love when post. They look hip out. Y' all see the move? She looks nice. Stop it. Yeah, man, they do it good. Anyway. 100 million.

[Ice]

100 million on the corner office flip.

[Joe Button]

Get three of that. Definitely not. What? Definitely getting 3k from me. 3k you get. You think you ain't good for 3k in my book, boy. You know how tight tight we are. You get. You do get three. You can. That's off the top. Without even asking.

[Flip]

Off the head.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's just.

[Joe Button]

That's like when I pull up to the ballet and it say complimentary ballet, and I still go in, I give them a little. Little ten piece still. No, no, the little ten piece, the ballet. Right? I ain't got to pay. Yeah, take nothing. Go ahead. I seen you. And I'll park. I'll pull out myself.

[Ice]

No, no, no. Just put me right there.

[Joe Button]

What you want? I get 100 million. The fans are saying that the money is driving the wedge between all of us. No, it's not. No, I don't believe that either. But it's a fun fan narrative.

[Ice]

I don't.

[Joe Button]

I don't believe that. But If I get 100 million, already a witch and some of that is off you and Mark and Amani's name. Well, like, I want like a 15. That's why you can't do. That's why you can't do it. That's good for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let represent you. This why the union ain't work.

[Ice]

I apologize.

[Joe Button]

Yo, local five 24. Three, people.

[Ice]

So you going to get 15. Mark going to get.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. I don't.

[Ice]

Imani get 15. That's 45.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's keep talking about money. That always goes well.

[Joe Button]

Here, I got you. No, I'm good. I don't know to do. You can't negotiate. All right, you right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody just relax.

[Flip]

We don't want any more fist fights at all.

[Joe Button]

Just listen to the music. Yo, when. When the Joe Button Patreon starts this episode that's coming out this week, I'm not continuing it until both of y' all apologize to me and everybody up here. It sounds like a joke, and it's not. I'm just telling y' all something before we start because y' all not gonna know how to take me when the Patreon start. Yeah. So why would you do at the end of this instead of just. You could have told us. Build suspense.

[Flip]

Cliffhanger.

[Ice]

Selling the show. I'm selling the show.

[Joe Button]

Going over to the hey Friday.

[Ice]

They're gonna be honed in to see what the camera.

[Joe Button]

I would absolutely. However y' all want to do it on camera. What happened on camera. I want to apology from you. Make the apology as the disrespect ice and masseuse. Like, it's cool that y' all pieced it up, but I didn't come to terms with it yet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm dead ass.

[Joe Button]

If you my man, just apologize and let's keep it moving. Don't fight with me about it. I'm not fighting with you at all. You my man. I love you. I don't like your colleague, though. Just say, I don't like your closing statement. Yo. I mean, you my. Yeah. That's not an apology, though. No, I didn't think it was one. We still on the main. No, don't work. Listen. Got you.

[Flip]

Rest in peace, d'. Angelo.

[Joe Button]

Rest in peace. To d'. Angelo. Rest in peace. Diane Keaton. Indeed. Rest in peace. Angie Stone.

[Ice]

Rest in peace for sure.

[Joe Button]

Yes. Rest in peace. Anybody out there that's dealing with a loss of a friend, family member, a fan shout. To anybody out there fighting a silent battle. We are here for you. We are keeping you in our prayers. Please keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time. Time. If there's next time, God willing, we bid you ado farewell. Audio cereva diri aa la vista ar so long goodbye or simple head knob will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. Oh. Remember life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this moment last.

[Flip]

The wire is probably up.

[Joe Button]

All right, all right, all right. I don't remember what I was saying. Make this moment last. Fast. As if it's all we have. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure and was out on a Monday night with a good friend of mine, somebody I've known for you getting slipped. 15 years. 15 plus years. He didn't send a text. He didn't call, he didn't dm.

[Ice]

They even send the eyes. I like Mac and cheese. The eyes.

[Joe Button]

I didn't see the eyes. It was no eyes. I just had to go on Reddit. See my man up there with some baddies. Me and my lady would have loved somewhere to go while we was in bed last night.

[Ice]

That's crazy, son.

[Joe Button]

The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. The closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol. You will need it. Shout out to everybody that gave me the muscle relaxers. Stop, man. What? My bag is out, y'. All. Popping him.

[Ice]

Get a 10 unit.

[Joe Button]

Huh? Popping them. What? I'm in the house like jigga. What? Jiggle. Y' all all right, man, we back. Shout out to Big Mona here with us in spirit. We'll be back same time, same place this weekend. Y' all hold it down. Take care of your family. Yeah, I mean, if you a dad, pay the bills, be miserable, get a dog. Enjoy that.

[Flip]

Get a dog, like it or not.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, enjoy that. Three. Three. Three extra minutes in the bathroom or parked outside the crib. You're a little bit of. 3 minutes of peace and sanctity till next time, man. Good poll over there. Big. Look at bro looking like a white penis.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He out of place.

[Joe Button]

Looking like a white dick. Bald. White be looking.

[Ice]

No, he look mad racist.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you got the racist beard. Say another thing. You gotta dye your beard black or something. Kick your ass, buddy. Oh, man. Po be in the gym with us. Just taking a sweet old time. We'd be dying. What's the name of that little bike we'd be on, huh? What's the name of that bike? Battle bike. A battle bike. That bike. Ain't I got smoke with that bike. Battle Bike. I got smoke with that bike. Let me see what this battle bike that bike is on. Complete. Anyway, man, y' all hold it down. The Joe Button Podcast. A group of friends, a group of people that really get along with each other.

[Flip]

Stay sucker free, y'.

[Ice]

All.

[Joe Button]

Come on, y'.

[Ice]

All.

[Joe Button]

You gotta stay sucker free.

[Flip]

God stays like a free group of.

[Joe Button]

People that just wouldn't know what to do without each other, man. I'm trying to tell you, man. It gets tricky.

[Flip]

It does.

[Joe Button]

It gets tricky. Till next time. Rest in peace, d'. Angelo. Shout to the whole neo soul movement. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. Rest in peace, d'. Angelo. You've never heard of Joe Bud. We'll fold that up right now.