Episode 870 | "Hour 2"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 870 "Hour 2"

Release Date: October 18, 2025
Host: Joe Budden
Guests/Co-hosts: Mark Lamont Hill, Flip, Ish, Corey, (Parks, Erickson, Tanner remoting in)
Special Guest Appearance (end): Victor Solomon (designer for the NBA’s Larry O’Brien Trophy)

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Episode Overview

Episode 870 "Hour 2" of The Joe Budden Podcast covers a whirlwind of topics, mixing trademark humor, hip-hop culture, introspective dialogue, and spirited debate. The crew discusses everything from sneaker and scam culture, viral podcast "beefs," the friction between "intellectuals" and entertainers, relationships, respectability politics, cancel culture, contemporary music releases, and even showering habits. Special time is devoted to recent internet discourse and a pointed response to commentary from the Native Land podcast. The episode ends with Victor Solomon presenting the real Larry O’Brien NBA championship trophy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sneaker Prices, Shopping Temptations, and Instagram Ads

• (00:28–01:47)
  • The crew jokes about sneaker culture, hyped-up pricing, and how social media ads are engineered to make you spend impulsively.
  • Flip: "Instagram be getting me."
  • Dr. Mark Lamont Hill: "I buy something on Instagram every day."
  • Joe: Compares IG impulse purchases to how older people used to shop on QVC.

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2. Viral Food Trends & Lasagna Soup

• (02:09–03:22)
  • Joe gets a lasagna soup recommendation; the crew riff on how algorithms pick up brief mentions and then bombard your feeds.
  • Joe describes lasagna soup as sometimes even better than regular lasagna—sparks debate about "dolloping" ricotta and hyper-masculinity in food conversations.

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3. Hyper-masculinity & Media Narratives

• (03:34–04:21)
  • Mark references podcast criticism from another show (Native Land) accusing Joe and crew of being “hyper-masculine.”
  • The group reacts with a mixture of amusement and skepticism.
  • Joe: "How is Joe Budden hyper-masculine? They’re getting carried away now."

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4. Podcast "Beefs," Digital Culture & Suggesting a "Raw" Channel

• (05:19–08:14)
  • Discussion of subtweets and indirect accusations in the podcast world.
  • Joe floats the idea of a “raw channel,” an unfiltered stream for his true opinions—describes the pod as his "polished version."
  • Joe: "For all that they think about me, this is a polished version of myself."

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5. Age, Maturity & Playful Roasting

• (07:00–08:54)
  • The group jokes about aging, maturity goals, and their dynamic as "random" friends.
  • Ends with a shout-out to Mona, absent this week.

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6. Shopping, Bargains, and Hustle Culture

• (24:22–29:54)
  • Spirited debate about underground hustle—buying things "off the truck," scam culture, and whether it’s morally wrong if companies (not individuals) are the victims.
  • Flip: "I don’t knock how anybody eats steak unless there’s kids involved."
  • Joe and Ish difference between taking from a company vs. an individual.
  • Ish: “If somebody drops a bankroll, I could be flat broke, I’d still tell ‘em they dropped their money. I’m not stealing from nobody, period.”

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7. Viral News: TJ Holmes, Amy Robach & Office Romance

• (32:40–41:23)
  • Mark recaps the GMA hosts’ firing for their affair.
  • Group discusses whether you can fall in love at work, love vs. infatuation, and cultural views on relationship “respectability."
  • Joe: "My relationship is not going to keep me from the person I love. Sorry." (37:12)
  • Flip: “If you lose your f**king job and wife, you might as well go all in.” (45:42)

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8. Brian McKnight’s $8.8 Million Lawsuit Win & Fatherhood in the Public Eye

• (46:10–55:52)
  • Mark details Brian McKnight’s defamation victory and the public perception around his family life.
  • A broader conversation follows about “telling your side” as a man in the public, estranged children, and the complexity of parent-child estrangement.
  • Ish: “Intellect doesn’t make you superior. ... It’s supposed to be a bridge—not a weapon.” (83:04)

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9. The “Native Land” Podcast Response & Anti-Intellectualism Critique

• (68:12–90:21)
  • Central segment: The crew addresses criticism from the Native Land podcast (hosted by Andrew Gillum, Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, and Bakari Sellers) accusing the JBP of fueling the “dumbing down” of America and anti-intellectualism (based on a viral Flip vs. Mark debate).
  • Quotes & Themes:
    • Joe: “Don’t claim to be super pro-Black and then take the number one Black urban podcast and put that type of stink on it because you think you got a friend over here.” (77:05)
    • Flip: “Intellect is supposed to be used as a bridge, to encourage and motivate—not as a weapon.” (83:04)
    • Corey: “You can’t just spitball some sh*t and then claim you’re an intellectual... If you don’t watch the podcast and admit that you don’t watch the podcast...that’s a huge red flag.” (73:14)
    • Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (on his friends’ concerns): “Angela’s a dear friend...I think we’ll always be passionate in defense of our friends.” (88:46)
    • The group ultimately calls for less “division,” greater openness, and context when discussing different Black communities and platforms.
    • Joe: “If y’all are unequipped, the rest of you intellectuals, to go to both parties, then don’t shame one of y’all for having those tools in the toolbox.” (96:24)

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10. AI, Deepfakes, & Likeness Rights

• (99:35–106:13)
  • News about MLK AI memes and the ethics of using famous dead people for internet entertainment.
  • Joe: “You can’t build your business off someone else’s likeness without permission. This is still America.” (102:20)

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11. Hip-Hop, Fat Joe, and the Performer vs. Podcaster Persona

• (119:46–125:32)
  • Joe questions if Fat Joe is playing a “caricature” of himself, particularly referencing Joe’s flub of Bone Thugs lyrics (“I miss my Uncle Georgia”).
  • Flip: “He’s not an MC no more. He’s approaching this as a podcaster, to be entertaining.”
  • This segues into the cost of “entertainment over artistry” for hip-hop figures moving to podcasting.

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12. Hygiene Habits, Shower Schedules, & Earthy “Vibes”

• (128:34–134:43)
  • On showering: Some are daily; some skip when not leaving home. Jokes about “earthy” partners and chlorophyll, the science (and myth) of “eliminating odor.”
  • Spirals into raunchy discussion about body odor, sex, and how to tactfully address such issues with partners.

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13. Special Segment: How Would You Fix GoPro?

• (148:55–156:19)
  • Joe presents the business case: GoPro’s massive collapse after their initial brand success.
  • Proposals: Wearables (glasses, jewelry-mounted cameras), becoming more app- & community-based, partnerships with influencers and athletes, focus on stock footage, and leveraging their brand authenticity.

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14. Weekly Music Round-Up

• (157:07–167:05)
  • Highlights: Dave East – Karma 4; Gucci Mane’s new album; Usher x Chris Brown x Bryson Tiller remix; Ty Dolla $ign/Kodak Black/YG – “Smile, Body, Pretty Face”; Tory Lanez’s "The New Toronto" series now streaming; Nas and Big L single; Ransom & Preem collab.
  • Joe’s take on music now: "If you’re dope enough, you’ll go back to the lab."

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15. NBA Championship Trophy Presentation

• (189:01–193:28)
  • Victor Solomon, artist/designer, brings in the official Larry O’Brien NBA championship trophy.
  • The base now includes engraved past champions, adding legacy and symbolism.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Social Media Shopping:
  Joe: “Instagram ads almost got me. Almost bought 20 Casio G shocks.” (00:59)

• On Lasagna Soup:
  Joe: "Lasagna soup might be better than lasagna." (02:15)

• On Polished/Raw Versions:
  Joe: "For all that they think about me, this is a polished version of myself." (06:22)

• On Hustle Morality:
  Flip: "I don’t knock how anybody eats steak unless there’s kids involved." (25:01)

• On Work Affairs and Love:
  Joe: "My relationship is not going to keep me from the person I love. Sorry." (37:12) Flip: "If you lose your job and wife, you might as well go all in." (45:42)

• On Being Judged by Clip Culture:
  Dr. Mark Lamont Hill: "If you only watch 30 seconds of a clip, people think Flip was mad at me for using big words...that wasn’t the conversation." (57:12)

• On Anti-Intellectual Accusations:
  Joe: "Don’t claim to be super pro-Black and then take the number one Black urban podcast and put that type of stink on it..." (77:05)

• On Intellectuals and Bridging Gaps:
  Flip: "Intellect should be used as a bridge, to encourage and motivate—not a weapon." (83:04)

• On GoPro's Downfall:
  Joe (recounting): "They forgot its purpose. It wasn’t about gadgets. It was about freedom. And once the story died, so did the brand." (151:10)

• On Fat Joe’s “Uncle Georgia” Flub:
  Joe: “You don’t got no lyrics you’ve been with 30 years?”
  Flip: “Fat Joe the podcaster is not an MC, he’s approaching this as a podcaster.”

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Important Timestamps

• (03:34) – Discussion about alleged hypermasculinity in JBP
• (05:19–08:14) – Subtweeting in the industry & Joe wants a "raw" channel
• (24:22–29:54) – Scam culture & "off the truck" hustle morality
• (32:40–41:23) – TJ Holmes, Amy Robach, workplace romance
• (46:10–55:52) – Brian McKnight lawsuit & father/child estrangement
• (68:12–90:21) – Native Land pod/anti-intellectualism response
• (99:35–106:13) – AI, deepfakes, and MLK memes debate
• (128:34–134:43) – Hygiene, shower habits, and "earthy" partners
• (148:55–156:19) – GoPro “How to Fix It” segment
• (189:01–193:28) – NBA trophy designer Victor Solomon brings the real Larry O’Brien trophy

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Tone & Style

JBP’s usual emotionally charged, banter-heavy, culture-commentary style. Spirited arguments and teasing abound, especially when blending the serious (Black culture, business failures, intellectual divides) with the personal and absurd (hygiene, “off the truck” TVs, Fat Joe’s rap memory).

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Conclusion

Episode 870's "Hour 2" illustrates JBP’s unique mix of cultural critique, comedy, self-awareness, and vulnerability. The show is both a mirror for internet and hip-hop culture and a sounding board for personal and collective Black experience. The episode’s heart? A call for less division ("intellectual" vs "street"/"entertainers"), more mutual respect, and a broader understanding of each other's context as Black creators and thinkers.

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For more:

• Listen for the Native Land podcast response and discussion (~68:00+).
• Check the music round-up segment (157:07+) for current releases.
• Don’t miss Victor Solomon’s championship trophy at the end (189:01+).

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Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Flip]

No, they're not. They are.

[Joe Budden]

We go through this every other day.

[Flip]

They base the color. The price is based on the color, though.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, the fact that they.

[Flip]

Say Cactus Jack changes the price, too.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody. Everybody stop. Ones is where we're getting confused. Oh, you're saying zero. Those are the cheap Travis Scotts. Yes, we are saying they're still not cheap sneakers, right?

[Flip]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just a cheap Ferrari.

[Joe Budden]

You got that right. Yeah, exactly. You got that on right now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Flip]

You do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You do got that.

[Joe Budden]

What's up with you?

[Flip]

It's essentials.

[Joe Budden]

You got that on essentials with Travis's. And what's that? You got the Brightling on the Rolly or the Brightling or the G Shock. What you got? Them Instagram ads almost got me. Almost bought 20 Casio G shocks the other day. I'm telling you, all the colors. Yeah, they got the gold, they got the calculator. They got all types of. For 49.

[Flip]

Instagram be getting me.

[Joe Budden]

You two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I buy something on Instagram every day.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, and I just bought 5k the other day.

[Flip]

I ain't gonna. I hate to tell you all. All of them as six and Saucony. They came across my Instagram Me too, and they make this shit so easy.

[Joe Budden]

Hit the button.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now I'm go straight to the Caribbean.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man. Now I understand. Like our grandparents and the older people with QVC and just after the soap operas, how they just sit and just be buying shit. The older I get, I'm gonna buy something that you show me. And they know it, too. Yeah, they know it, nigga.

[Flip]

I got the good voice on Home Shop at network. That lady, she be convincing in the motherfucker. My mother be like, I bought it. I'm like, I still got it now. Yeah, I'll send you the money.

[Joe Budden]

Man, we talked about lasagna soup for two seconds. My timeline for the rest of the weekend was lasagna soup.

[Corey]

And how was it?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, all right. Hot. Take Lasagna soup might be better than lasagna.

[Corey]

Oh, so.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, lasagna soup is pretty good.

[Corey]

Try to tell me about the soups.

[Joe Budden]

Lasagna soup is pretty good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I gotta Try it.

[Joe Budden]

She did it. She did it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can she bring some in for everybody?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, I might. I might still have some left.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I might still have some left. She was supposed to remake it for me, but she's supposed to do it again with the little. Some broth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe for friendsgiving, add some broth.

[Joe Budden]

Because the longer it sit and the longer I keep taking, like, oh, the noodles gonna soak up that broth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's in lasagna soup that's not in lasagna or vice versa. Like, what makes it different other than the broth? The broth. It's just lasagna and broth.

[Joe Budden]

It's broth, but the broth is damn near like a roux if you put in the right shit in it. So it changes the flavor a little bit. And then she jazzy up the ricotta. She put the basil and some other shit in there. So it's like. And then how it's seasoned. The seasoned.

[Corey]

Do you dollop the ricotta or is it in there? You dollop it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What ice cream scoop after that, you.

[Corey]

Put it on top of the soup.

[Joe Budden]

You don't.

[Corey]

It's not in the soup.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Not in the soup. So, yeah, you can taste everything differently than you do lasagna. Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha.

[Corey]

But I think it is a dollop is implying a liquid, esque nature.

[Flip]

No, I'm just saying how people sit the palm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all really fighting against this hyper masculine accusation. Y' all must have heard native land. Y' all like. And then you put a dollop of ricotta.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, is there a hyper masculine conversation going on about us?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's always a hyper masculine.

[Joe Budden]

How is Joe Budden hyper masculine?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what they said on it. They said yes.

[Joe Budden]

They're getting carried away now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what the world says. That's not native ladies. Yeah, we have a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get ahead of nothing. Native land.

[Corey]

What the is native land?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. About to shoot at. Oh, okay. Bet Mark friends did me and Ishmael to shoot at some podcast that Mark gonna be on in a couple weeks, but it's cool.

[Corey]

I see.

[Joe Budden]

That's our two.

[Flip]

I ain't get hyper masculinity. I got.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, not from that.

[Flip]

Neanderthal.

[Joe Budden]

No, not from that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They're kind of tight. Yeah, they're first cousins.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They mention names?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm speaking in general terms. I didn't mean that.

[Ish]

What's their channel?

[Flip]

I'll keep it a buck with you. You don't want to go on here?

[Joe Budden]

What you mean?

[Ish]

I don't want to go on?

[Flip]

You don't want to go on here?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you mean?

[Ish]

Yeah, they assaulted. Insulting.

[Corey]

I think they were insulting you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, that's cool.

[Flip]

A lot.

[Ish]

What's their numbers like?

[Joe Budden]

I have no idea.

[Ish]

Well, I'm saying figures.

[Flip]

Shout out to them.

[Ish]

We'll talk about an hour too. I'm gonna watch it and I'm gonna respond.

[Corey]

Flip's gonna be over there for an hour.

[Flip]

But the battery flipped back there. Yeah, but I don't think so.

[Joe Budden]

I think he has a valid question.

[Flip]

No, he.

[Joe Budden]

That's another part of it. But hour two it is hour two.

[Flip]

Although.

[Corey]

Sounds like y' all got something to get off your chest.

[Ish]

I don't know that, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I've been on for at least. I've been waiting to get to work for at least three days. I'm not going.

[Ish]

You've been letting a lot of slide.

[Joe Budden]

I've been home slide with a bad hip, reading and watching and observing.

[Corey]

I saw all the subtweets, and I didn't really know what was going on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So there's so much happening in. In this.

[Joe Budden]

There's a lot going on in the space. Like, I was so antsy. I was like, yo, I need another show. Like, I need another show during the week where.

[Flip]

Can't wait that long.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, just come in. The cycle has changed. Yeah, the cycle has changed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, y', all, I heard what you niggas said before.

[Joe Budden]

Used to be ahead of it, like, oh, shit. Them niggas banging them two times. Bong, bong. Now, by Wednesday morning, I have a whole new thought process of things I'd like to say about things and people that I would never talk about up here.

[Ish]

Oh, you want a side channel? Oh, yeah, the raw channel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I want the raw channel.

[Ish]

You want to pistol?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Shooting that. Hey, you know what? I.

[Joe Budden]

The gun range, just, like, telling the truth. Gun range, just, like, going and telling the truth about what I think my real thoughts. People got that.

[Ish]

They're real.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz I don't do that here. Like, for all that they think about me, this is a polished version of. Of myself.

[Corey]

Yeah, I can detest that.

[Flip]

We know.

[Joe Budden]

We know. And I don't be wanting you. I mean, so it was a little hour, too.

[Flip]

20 grit sandpaper.

[Joe Budden]

Before.

[Ish]

I seen you. I just seen you. I said, how long is my man gonna let this go on for? How long? You gave a warning. Somebody that I'm familiar with, you gave a warning. Hey, this ain't gonna be Happening too long. I was surprised and I said, okay. He, you know, he's setting up the. He's setting up the play. And you know, you've been letting a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

Because it could easily just. You let it slide. You could do that too, right? They say that that's the mature thing to do. Yes, but I told y' all I want to be mature by the time I'm ish age. And I ain't.

[Corey]

You'll never be ish age.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the fun part, right?

[Corey]

That's your little loophole.

[Joe Budden]

No, but when I get 48. I mean, when I. 48. 49.

[Corey]

I think you said that about 45 and 46, too.

[Flip]

I'm gonna be chilling.

[Joe Budden]

I slept on 44 and 45, though. You didn't know I slept 44. 45 is still. Yeah, I mean, kind of active a little bit. What you think?

[Flip]

46 and 47. The mattress is different.

[Joe Budden]

I said 48 and 49, cuz. At 48 and 49, then when they say, yo, dog, you almost 50, they right.

[Corey]

I think if you just stick to. I'll mature when I'm Ish's age.

[Joe Budden]

You're good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Cuz then you won't never be is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Corey]

You said. That's a. That's a great loophole.

[Flip]

That's funny, son.

[Ish]

Yeah. I would never be the age at the same time, basically.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It's a trick. Me and Ish didn't plan this outfit.

[Corey]

I. I don't believe you.

[Joe Budden]

We spoke this morning, but we didn't talk about it.

[Ish]

What about you and FL playing the.

[Flip]

The Greens?

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't. I didn't plan that with Flip either. Yeah, I didn't.

[Corey]

We a matchy matchy group there, you said.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, dude. Cash, shout out to our sister Mona. She is not with us. She will be with us next week. She had business to tend to. Shout out to her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Mona.

[Flip]

Right? Get it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know the vibe can't be bad.

[Ish]

We miss you.

[Joe Budden]

Hour two.

[Ish]

We do, we do. But I just like when I hear that about, you know, I said it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When you're not here too. I miss you.

[Ish]

I'll miss you. When I shot at you in the mist.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The only miss was when you duck.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

That's funny. Yo, I don't want none of the money that Flip or Mark made from their fight that started here either. That's they.

[Flip]

I'm sure you don't.

[Joe Budden]

That's they.

[Flip]

You made enough On God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I Think you've made enough? You've done just fine, sir. This thing out of your mind?

[Ish]

What's wrong with you?

[Joe Budden]

This is crazy.

[Ish]

So I went blind.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want none of them pennies.

[Flip]

Y' all made over.

[Joe Budden]

You saying it's pennies? I ain't saying it.

[Ish]

You saying it.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't me saying it. That is not me saying it. No s. It's pennies.

[Corey]

Like those are cheap shoes.

[Ish]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe it to be pennies. But why. Why y' all laughing at me? I'm.

[Ish]

They got that in every black excellent magazine. Vibe with your Patreon there.

[Joe Budden]

I read it. Agree on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's Mark. That's Mark Channel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The alert came up. They made it a whole black excellence thing. Black Renaissance.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell these people. Yo, I was with you last month.

[Joe Budden]

Not this one though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, this month.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Glad you got them articles out.

[Ish]

Last year when I said tricky words, you said. Oh, it's just tricky to you making it seem like we mad about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because tricky. They made like a music remix to that.

[Flip]

Wait, what?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up.

[Flip]

If they put you as dmc, please have you better not be dumb.

[Joe Budden]

You dumb mc.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just a little clip of that exchange.

[Ish]

It was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little music remix.

[Ish]

No, we didn't have a problem with you being in the back to a.

[Joe Budden]

Month talk about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you say a lot of tricky words. No, I know that's tricky to you. That's tricky to you.

[Ish]

Tricky words.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Corey]

Oh, now y' all gotta start a show called tricky words.

[Joe Budden]

Hilarious.

[Flip]

Yo, we should do that.

[Ish]

Whatever you want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's talk.

[Ish]

No, I'm saying pressure me into whatever you want. I gotta be humble with you. Excellence. They made it to an intellect thing. Like we got a problem cause he's the smartest in the room.

[Flip]

I'm reading these.

[Ish]

I said wait did a PR company sentence. It's the same like black Renaissance. That my brain up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what it is when happens people will have something they've wanted to say for a long time and they use there a moment to talk about the. They already talk about. That's what I feel like. And. And Mark. Y.

[Ish]

Mark. You sure you ain't said that?

[Joe Budden]

I know you've been here for a year. You are family man. They don't know I love Mark down pause. I love love Mark. Some things you can't get in front of, buddy. Your friend is about to get it. Hour two, all your little intellectual words. All that is cool. An hour too. One Group of your friends is going to address another group of your friends, and that's okay. We are not a monolith.

[Corey]

You gotta be careful when you combine friends.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't share friends.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's that. So our number two man. All right, now, unless somebody comes sage the room like, spray.

[Corey]

I love my sages like. But other than that, I don't think Corey got sage.

[Joe Budden]

No, he definitely. Yeah, he definitely. Plugins don't make sage smell the jail plugins. I see it flip. I mean, give me some black renaissance music in this piece, man. Try to ease my. Ease my nerves and. Mic check 12. Mic check 12. Shout wherever you might be listening from California.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Mike check, mike check. That's just how I'm feeling at the time, man. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Shout out to the subgroup, the patronies out there, nine to five drivers, entrepreneurs, the truck drivers, the postal workers, garbage men, the garbage man. Garbage man today, man. Let's go shout them out. Teachers, the lawyers, the doctors, the police, the firemen, the children, the college kids. What up, what up, what up, what up.

[Ish]

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Hey, I was the third.

[Joe Budden]

Come on now. Some of y' all had a nail cleaning up one day. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying what I did was all right.

[Flip]

Trying to break out of the ghetto with a. A day to day fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir. You're now listening too. The best broadcast in the world. Salutations. You don't know what you do. Hey, shout out to my parents out there. Push us. Stop playing with me, man.

[Corey]

Okay, you want DJ Roll party this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

I like how y' all be jamming at your party. It's my park's birthday. Stop playing with him, man. Stop playing with him.

[Corey]

That's not why I got the.

[Ish]

That's what he.

[Joe Budden]

Put that on board.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Take an extra.

[Flip]

Moosey.

[Joe Budden]

Let this rock for a minute. I'm letting this rock for a minute. Yeah, I mean.

[Ish]

Hey, I stopped along the way.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir. Shout out to the first and last time listeners. Shout out to the people all over the world. Preacher did a call, cuz.

[Ish]

He knows I'm going to stay. He knows I'm going to stay. I told him so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

California dreaming.

[Joe Budden]

Enough, enough, enough.

[Ish]

This nigga is in his desper bad. He about to shoot somebody down. He woking. Slow down the yeah, boy.

[Flip]

That's definitely it right there.

[Ish]

It was a night on a wi.

[Flip]

On a four day.

[Joe Budden]

Wake it the up out there. Yeah, we in our white Bag, too. We in our white bag, too. God damn it. Work. Had to run off.

[Corey]

Got you.

[Ish]

Wait.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, this that it is. Whole New York City. Big Jersey. Big Jersey. Hey, N. Let him get the verse off, man. We be with you in a minute. We be with you in a minute, man. Music rules. All right, now the background.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

He knows I'm gonna stay. Yummy. Turn me up out there.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Mic check, mic check. One, two, one. Keep this applause going for the best crew in the world, man. Get these drops out the way right quick. At some point, I will get up, put some lotion on these dogs of mine, act like I'm on a big broadcast, you know what I mean?

[Ish]

Who is that?

[Joe Budden]

Flip and Flip, Flip, Flip. What episode is this?

[Corey]

870.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 870 of the JOE Button podcast. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, really happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people to my right. Are they views higher, Mr. What's they content like? What they doing over there? Big queens. Queens. Flip is in the building, man. Queen Flip, how you doing?

[Ish]

I'm in the building.

[Flip]

I feel good.

[Ish]

I'm ready.

[Corey]

Did you already put the channel in your little app to figure out what their impressions are?

[Ish]

I did. We gonna get to it. We gonna get to it.

[Joe Budden]

To his right, the one and only, Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, how you feeling?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Good, good. Glad to have you with us today. To his right, huh? King Wah Wah himself has graced us with his fucking presence. Stop playing with him. Missed a thousand doors and up.

[Ish]

2000.

[Joe Budden]

Now big ish Ish is.

[Ish]

Black Jacks. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

A thousand doors and up. They know the vibes are they talking about. I'm glad they know. Yeah. Rich. Yeah, I know.

[Flip]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

I know. I know. I'm glad to be here. Next to Ish. Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Leader of.

[Joe Budden]

Leader of some 5 percenter group. I don't know what the name of his faction is, but Ice is up.

[Corey]

To something, but I'm not sure he's.

[Joe Budden]

Up to something, man. That's freeze. Mr. Take it further. Our good brother Ice is in the building.

[Corey]

He got some expensive shoes on too out there.

[Flip]

No, no, I don't. No, I don't.

[Corey]

They don't look cheap.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They don't look cheap.

[Joe Budden]

I almost had a mushy moment thinking about Ice last night.

[Corey]

Well, it's better than a hard moment.

[Joe Budden]

It's Mark are hyper masculine. Mark, strong men can be vulnerable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Talk about your mushy man moment.

[Joe Budden]

No, man. Why did I.

[Flip]

Why was I thinking about Freeze?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know why Freeze popped in my head.

[Flip]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze has been a good friend of mine for a long time. Good man. Yeah, he's a good friend. Like I. I, I rep for Freeze. I don't know if I say that enough up here. The fans know it. Yeah, for sure.

[Flip]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze is like, my man, man. I. I love that. That's not said enough. Freeze, I love you, man. Thank you very much. Big Po is in the.

[Flip]

Say it faster.

[Joe Budden]

The welcome. Don't. Don't back.

[Ish]

Sweating, too. He sweating so you know you want to. I'm tell him. Say it fast.

[Joe Budden]

Elm's finest, huh? Y' all know the vibes. Big parks in the building. Libra season. Libra season.

[Corey]

We're not nearly as annoying as y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Corey]

Virgo.

[Flip]

So nobody is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody is. Don't be a dick.

[Flip]

It's not possible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't be at.

[Joe Budden]

Marks is here. Po is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Saon are hereby remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. Don't forget that this amazing that we're doing here is brought to you by Fueled by Powered By Prize Picks. Pride Fix, gang. All right. How's everybody feeling?

[Corey]

Feeling amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Feeling good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Cory, you've been kissing this week. We'll talk tomorrow in the gym. We'll talk in the gym. Look, he's smiling again this morning. I know. My guy went to go. Kiss some more. Oh, what's up with y'? All?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I. You mentioned hyper masculinity. It made me think of something yesterday.

[Flip]

Kiss some more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I went to the nail salon yesterday to get a manicure. Pedicure. Right.

[Corey]

That's very masculine.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Very masculine.

[Flip]

Shiny buff.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So she. That's just it, right? I walked in and she was like, you want what color polish you want, Right? No one's ever asked me that before. And I sat there in the thing and watched her ask another dude that came in. She didn't ask him if he wanted color polish.

[Corey]

Oh, you're giving us a lot.

[Flip]

You look sweet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's.

[Flip]

You had that long hoodie on.

[Joe Budden]

A T shirt hoodie. It was covering your. You looking like some sugar.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And so.

[Corey]

And that's okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's the pants. It's the jagged things.

[Flip]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what it is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get it. Y' all thought I was asking you to tell me all the ways I Look, gay. I get it. That wasn't where I was going.

[Ish]

Oh, he rehearsed it.

[Joe Budden]

God damn it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That wasn't where I was going. I know all the ways I look gay. I'm fine with that. Does that happen to y'?

[Joe Budden]

All?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y' all ever get misread like that?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Flip]

They've never asked me what type of color.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not just in the narrow. I mean, anywhere.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what he asked. Have we ever been misread?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure I've been probably. Well, yeah, I would too. I was just misread before I fucking came to work. I would have made.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me see, let me see, Let.

[Joe Budden]

Me see what I say. Yeah, I'm black in America.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, you let me get misread.

[Flip]

Miss Red for gay.

[Ish]

He act like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, you Let me get Ms. Red.

[Ish]

You didn't get misread. You act like you was gay.

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't get Miss Red or act like I was gay. Wendy Williams took her lying ass on the air when I was a brand new artist and said, joe Button is gay. Gay, Really?

[Ish]

I remember that. That's back in the day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What made her say that, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, yeah, gayar, probably, since.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They know before you do you.

[Joe Budden]

I keep telling you, they would know if it was true. They would. Hey, y' all would know. Word to get out. Yeah. So Wendy Williams did that. She's amazing at what she does. Me and her later pieced it up and had an amazing relationship. Right. So I don't harbor ill will toward her for saying that. And I understand. The gig is the gig. The gig is the gig. Nothing comes before the gig. That's part of what makes people what they are. So shout out to Wendy Williams.

[Corey]

I did get some feet pick requests after our feet pick conversation the other day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you?

[Joe Budden]

I did, yeah.

[Corey]

I didn't take anybody up on it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna ask you, like, if.

[Flip]

I find out you selling pink.

[Corey]

Are you crazy? I'm not doing nothing with them anyway.

[Flip]

What would your price point be? I don't know.

[Corey]

I don't know what the rate is. I gotta do some research, some marketing analysis.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Corey]

Do some research.

[Flip]

You gotta get a fee, pimp.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy. You would judge them? Yes. Not.

[Ish]

Park's the number one engineer.

[Joe Budden]

How many. How many ways do people get money that you judge?

[Corey]

Not many for me.

[Flip]

Yeah, same.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a whole lot.

[Corey]

It got to be, like, morally wrong in my opinion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For me, it's the moral thing. If it's Just weird to me. I don't give a. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't respect the. The. On the cards. I don't respect that whole side of what they're doing. What you mean?

[Ish]

I don't know what that means.

[Joe Budden]

You know, when you got the fake card and you.

[Corey]

Oh, the scammers.

[Ish]

Oh, the swipers.

[Joe Budden]

I don't respect it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to do scams. I do a little bit of respect.

[Corey]

For it, but yeah, it depends on who you're scamming, I guess.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You respect him, right?

[Joe Budden]

That's my problem. We get that's not funny.

[Flip]

But. Hey, yo, I don't knock how nobody eat steak.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Flip]

Unless it got something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you just say?

[Flip]

I don't like. I don't knock how anybody eats steak.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Flip]

Unless there's some kids involved or something. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

But they are. Okay, but there are kids involved.

[Ish]

They're doing the.

[Joe Budden]

Potentially with. If you're stealing from someone's parents, you up Christmas?

[Flip]

No, no, I'm just saying. I get it. I.

[Joe Budden]

We just gonna have a little bit of a healthy respect for the. For the under underground shit because of where we from.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I want to grow out or something.

[Flip]

Yo, I just think America is built on a hustle. I think America is built on scam, and I think America scam them companies, then they. They are.

[Ish]

Let me guess. Because the companies have insurance, right? They have insurance. They can get it back.

[Flip]

If you take this. This is. This is the downside. From what I've seen and. And observed, I've never ran scams.

[Ish]

I did my car. I got caught off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel like you better than.

[Flip]

No, I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

I just sold you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I benefited off the scam. I benefited off this game.

[Flip]

So I'm just saying this, like, Bank's gonna get your money back. It's an inconvenient period of time in which it takes for you to get your money back that could be detrimental to you and your family.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Flip]

People's credit took hits. Yeah. Like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that they miss Christmas.

[Flip]

So that. That's. That's up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Corey]

You might need that money for something right there.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I'm about to say not just that bank give you your money back, but it might take. That's all the money I had. It might take 30 days for.

[Ish]

Yeah, but on the other side, when them meet you in the alley, y' all got this.

[Flip]

I got that 40%.

[Ish]

It's up to say, but, yo, I.

[Joe Budden]

Think you just pardoned. I don't believe what you're saying.

[Flip]

Joe, I know that and I've known you a while, but I. I've refused to Home Depot. You've taken.

[Joe Budden]

Let's talk.

[Ish]

Don't bring him in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just get.

[Joe Budden]

Let's talk.

[Flip]

Yo, when these TVs. When these TVs fall off a truck, somebody that. That owned the TV is out of luck. It's usually the company, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's usually the company, right? That.

[Joe Budden]

It depends. Well, speaking from my own experience, okay, once I stopped stealing TVs, I purchased all my TVs from, like, the store.

[Flip]

Now you've purchased TVs at a drastic discount based on some hustle.

[Corey]

And you were stealing TVs when they was stealing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was stealing heavy TV.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

The heavy TV.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, I was stealing tubes in the back. I was stealing tubes. I was stealing Pro Scra. I was around when the flats just came out. Yeah, like plasmas.

[Flip]

Plasmas, Plasmas.

[Joe Budden]

I was stealing those. But once I stopped, I always bought my TV from a. That's part of my problem with what you saying we make too much money to still be.

[Flip]

You didn't.

[Joe Budden]

What TV is Name the tv.

[Ish]

He's saying you bought one of the truck. He's saying you bought one of the tv.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me I never purchased the TV off the truck.

[Flip]

A TV or something else or you talking about a tv?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Both.

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[Flip]

Yo, dog.

[Joe Budden]

What is inaccurate?

[Flip]

All right, cool. What person in here has not purchased something that fell off a truck?

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Ish]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

Well, something is something different.

[Flip]

I told.

[Joe Budden]

I told. I bought a mattress from a barber. Barber shop. Where you get them deals at, though?

[Flip]

The barber shop is where the deal. Check it out, man. Coming in with. It's a that come in the barber shop.

[Joe Budden]

Take.

[Flip]

Taking orders. Yes. What you need?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be back.

[Flip]

One of my takes. What creed you want?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

Bond number nine. You want what Tom Ford you want?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that. Nothing y' all are saying is wrong. My question is.

[Corey]

You got Tom Ford, guys?

[Flip]

No Cologne.

[Ish]

Park got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could use the black choice.

[Flip]

I got the cream. I got the cream.

[Joe Budden]

Tom Ford discount and white privilege. He's just trying to. Yo, you trying to kill the gang. Thanks the noise for my birthday. I just think at a certain point, Joe, at a certain point, I think it's important to change your mind now.

[Ish]

That's all Cory.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish.

[Flip]

I'm about to can't. We doing houses.

[Joe Budden]

Cory's not on.

[Flip]

When that nigga says, yo, it's 50% off anything you want at Home Depot. What do you think I'm gonna say Joe, right? Even the shit that I don't need. Look, let's say it cost me 150 to rental a house. Let's say it costs 150 to rental, okay? Out of that 150, a good $60,000 of that might be material. $70,000 of that might be material. So if you think I could save 35 grand off the material price, I'm not gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

You got too much faith in me, my brother.

[Joe Budden]

Well, stop. Sorry, stop. I long ago came to that realization.

[Flip]

I just wanna reaffirm.

[Joe Budden]

That's one. My response to that is you can find other means to get your 40% discount.

[Flip]

Well, when you. It's 50. And sometimes. Sometimes it'll be right there. But when you let me know the other means. Yeah, this means. I'll take this mean right here.

[Ish]

Home Depot don't play that shit.

[Joe Budden]

We sent Corey some legal shit to get a discount. No, no, go ahead and lie. So if you have an option through programs. I'm just saying you don't have to do that just because we was raised.

[Flip]

I want you to know whatever you.

[Ish]

Sent Corey, he got what he ain't using.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he did. That's not true.

[Flip]

He might have used it.

[Ish]

Cory said the got fired.

[Joe Budden]

He used it. See, look, now you always talk too much. You always jump in and so he ain't on the show for a reason. Don't repeat nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So take it out.

[Joe Budden]

He's going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's a difference between, to me taking something from a company, thousand percent and saying like, oh, I got. I got pipes, I got copper. And you find out somebody else. House don't got it no more.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, can you put that adjust that mic?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sure did.

[Flip]

Like, yo, dog, let me tell you something. If somebody dropped a bankroll on the floor and I could be flat broke, I'd be like, yo, dog, you dropped your money. I'm not stealing nothing from nobody, bro. Period.

[Corey]

Flat broke, flat.

[Flip]

Hopefully they'll be like, oh shit, my bad.

[Corey]

I've been flat broke before. Find a couple dollars on the floor, just finding.

[Flip]

I ain't looking for nobody.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, yo, it's just so. Ok, yo, bro.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Someone drops their bankroll. How many people do they got a bankroll right now to drop on the floor?

[Flip]

I don't know where you got one right now.

[Joe Budden]

Everything he says, like from some privilege, man, he got a bankroll.

[Flip]

Some people still like carrying cash.

[Ish]

Yo, the 1% nigga's name ish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You carry money Close clip.

[Flip]

No rubber band.

[Joe Budden]

He still trying to relate to them. Big kn. He could have a. He would have a beeper if he could find one.

[Corey]

You keep the ones on the outside still?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, beat me on my Android. I got the Android beeper.

[Flip]

The ones on the inside, yeah.

[Corey]

Oh, you got a lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go.

[Ish]

Is we with you, bro?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen to these.

[Ish]

Cool, brother.

[Flip]

I know, I know. Y front. It's all right. Cool.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm just. I'm being honest. For sure.

[Flip]

Ice like, yo, we got the new iPhone.

[Ish]

Please take anything.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you know what we think about. You know, we think about ice. That. That didn't help you. You should stop wanting us to look at you like we look at ice. Oh, separate, man.

[Flip]

No, I'm honest. I'm on. There it is.

[Joe Budden]

You crazy. No, ice is honest.

[Flip]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, man, a lot of important things need our attention. Not really. Not really. It's one of those days, like Monica. But we the best in the biz, so we'll get through it. What is most important or most unimportant or what do we disagree about the most?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's hard to know, but my timeline has been filled with weird shit this week. Cause my algorithm's all thrown off. And one of the things that popped up for me was this. Amy. T.J. holmes and Amy. What's the woman's name? Amy.

[Corey]

Amy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel bad. Amy's Amy for right now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Amy Holmes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. It's about to be Amy Holmes. Anyway, TJ Holmes, as y' all know, he was on Good Morning America. He's been a fixture in black media for a long time. Anyway, he and his wife or girlfriend got fired from Good Morning America because they weren't supposed to be boyfriend and girlfriend at the time. They were both married to different people. They used to double date sometime.

[Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Used to hang out swingers.

[Joe Budden]

Swing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Except they weren't.

[Corey]

I thought it started with the swing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They never reported that part. I'll just say that. You never know.

[Corey]

Just my intuition.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Point is, a lot of. A lot of scandal, a lot of speculation. And they eventually got fired. Cause America didn't want to see two co hosts cheating on their spouses with each other.

[Joe Budden]

But now they cheating was so good that they didn't seem perturbed at all by this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They were unbothered.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't see nothing that said, hey, this is wrong and we're fighting for our jobs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They said, bet.

[Flip]

All right, we out. That's what it look like now. We ain't got to hide it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No more cast.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's my guy and I'm trying to find her name. And. And anyway, they just announced after about a couple years that they're now getting married.

[Flip]

It ain't been that long. We reported on this maybe a year, year and a half ago. Yeah, it ain't been that long.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, a couple years. I've been here a year. We ain't talking about it.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The point is they're together and they're now getting married and they're.

[Joe Budden]

Love wins. Love wins.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Love wins.

[Ish]

What's your problem with that?

[Corey]

Me, Rock or Rox?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Let's make some noise. Love wins.

[Corey]

Love wins.

[Flip]

True love. Nothing stands in the way of true love.

[Joe Budden]

What possible problem with love winning? What.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What happens after that?

[Joe Budden]

You can't say that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, don't go back.

[Ish]

Go black and go D. You go white.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm all right. I don't know. It's so many things. I don't like. The whole scandal. I didn't like it from the first. I don't like. I don't like.

[Corey]

You think it's shameful.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't like people. It's so disrespectful.

[Flip]

Wait.

[Ish]

To fall in love with somebody at.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Work, to double date with some. To kick it. Even the sibling, Even the spouses were kicking it with each other.

[Ish]

Yeah, people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's wild.

[Flip]

Kikiing in your face, busting your chick.

[Ish]

I agree with that.

[Flip]

Kill your ass.

[Ish]

But then love wins.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, baby face. Vanessa Williams. Love makes things happen. That's it. That's it.

[Corey]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was Pebbles and y'. All.

[Corey]

Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Love.

[Joe Budden]

You do wild shit in the name of love. Every wild documentary I watch is somebody bugging the fuck out.

[Ish]

Out because of love.

[Flip]

Let me ask y'. All.

[Corey]

They say they only build bridges to find women on the other side, so.

[Ish]

I never heard that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But wow, y' all just put all the old.

[Flip]

Got them things in the Bronx fire over there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm sorry, Go ahead.

[Flip]

What do you think about. Or do y' all think that you could be in a relationship and you could be in a great relationship and you can meet somebody that could potentially be your soulmate mate?

[Joe Budden]

Is that the end of the question? Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, absolutely.

[Flip]

Very possible.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Flip]

So. So if that is very possible, then why do you think this is so? Just cuz they was hanging out, kicking it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Based on the reports, he found a lot of soulmates at work. Oh, Soul brother number one.

[Flip]

Producers trying to see where soul Fit. A lot of souls ain't alive.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know tj. I like TJ a lot.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I. I think he's a good dude. I just sure think that this was a terrible choice. Not the woman, but the. The workplace. Like, if you want. Here's what I'm saying. If you're gonna cheat, I'm just saying don't double date. Don't kick it with us. Don't, don't, don't move me into your world.

[Flip]

It might not have started that way, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It did.

[Flip]

I'm saying that we could have been double dating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I see what you're saying. And then you start looking across that table instead of next to you.

[Flip]

There's something built.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, fair enough.

[Ish]

Is he not supposed to double down after they got fired?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I hate.

[Ish]

Oh, is he not supposed to move?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not supposed to what?

[Ish]

Is he not supposed to double down after they got fired?

[Flip]

No, Mark is saying.

[Ish]

I get that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We passed that after you get fired.

[Ish]

They got fired already.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, if that's your person, that's your person. I'm not mad at him for choosing her. I'm not mad at him for getting married. To marry who you want, love who you want.

[Joe Budden]

My relationship is not going to keep me from the person I love. Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on. Can you say that one more time clean? I just want to get it for the clips.

[Joe Budden]

This nigga is crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to make sure. So when you get that text. When you get that text at 9am on Monday, I'mma make sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Angela. Rock. I swear for God, I'm serious about this nut.

[Flip]

This said that like it was an Aaron Judd shot. He is not joking.

[Joe Budden]

I'm very serious.

[Flip]

I'm not. I'm not potting dog. So the person.

[Joe Budden]

Look, I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's some sucking you doing right now.

[Flip]

So look, the person you with, you don't love. You can love him.

[Ish]

You can love him.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you that I have been in this situation before. Well, let me preface. Let me preface with. Do y' all believe that you can love two women at the same time?

[Flip]

Thousand percent.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Corey]

Yeah, it's possible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can see I've done it. I can't see it.

[Flip]

I've done it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you don't believe that my wife watches the first 30 minutes of the pod? No, I absolutely cannot.

[Flip]

You 40 something years old, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

You believe someone else could.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe someone else could. I believe every human on the earth is capable of it.

[Joe Budden]

Except me. I got you. Except me.

[Ish]

Your wife watches Then she my love. She read through all this, right?

[Corey]

I do think it's a little strange to love two people at the same time. When you're like of age, when you're younger. It's a lot younger.

[Ish]

We're not talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

At some point this shit become a choice shit.

[Joe Budden]

When you older is when it get tough. Oldest.

[Flip]

Oldest ones.

[Ish]

Ah, she right there.

[Joe Budden]

You love me too.

[Ish]

We like each other like that. We'll throw it all away.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we'll throw it all away.

[Ish]

What do you want to do?

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Ish]

Not me though.

[Joe Budden]

But not me neither. But love is so strong. The is magnetic. So that person is all the way over there in the Bronx, you home, having to deal with like whatever your relationship calls for.

[Flip]

Especially in a work.

[Joe Budden]

You're being a. You're doing all of this. Sometimes the feelings deteriorate and you're not having those talks in real time and somebody else catches your attention.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I believe that you got to be mature enough to have those conversations with each other. But I'm not going to be naive and act like especially don't happen where people get a m. Mistress or what's the guy version.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There is no guy mister.

[Joe Budden]

A mister. You get a mistress or a mister Nigga and you fall in love. And now we gotta go home and have uncomfortable conversations because somebody else is making me feel a way that you ain't made me feel in a while, dog.

[Flip]

Especially. Especially in the workplace. Because you spend so much time in the workplace with somebody that that shit could just really happen organically. You might not have intended for any of that stuff to happen.

[Joe Budden]

Word.

[Flip]

Like Johnny coming in wearing the fuck out the suit, smelling like heaven. Your man a mechanic coming home with the dirty hands. It's a different ball.

[Ish]

How do you identify? How do you.

[Joe Budden]

You she at work with the ability to submit.

[Ish]

How do you identify?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How do you.

[Ish]

Wait, shut up, make a las soup and bring.

[Joe Budden]

That's my baby bringing it in at halftime.

[Flip]

You like, yo, what you the old man?

[Ish]

I'm talking to you. How do you know? When do you know it's love?

[Joe Budden]

And you interrupted a real funny bit PA me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When do you know it's love? That was going on too long.

[Ish]

When do you know it's love? And not instant gratification.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, stop trying to be Mr. Serious because they playing on your intelligence. We got a real funny beat going. Don't be Mr. Rock. This ain't that type of broadcast. We like you stupid.

[Ish]

Yeah, go ahead with your sho.

[Flip]

You won't know though.

[Joe Budden]

You won't.

[Flip]

I think time will like you stupid.

[Ish]

All right, let's move on.

[Flip]

Time. You don't know time.

[Ish]

Okay. Some be good instantly.

[Flip]

Yeah. But then when you at home thinking about them at 4 in the morning, you laying next to your chick.

[Corey]

That work.

[Flip]

Fake.

[Corey]

It could be a fake.

[Joe Budden]

Fake.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Love infatuation.

[Joe Budden]

Because you don't gotta work with them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta live with them. You get the best parts of them.

[Flip]

That's what happens. And then when you do. Welcome Amy and tj. Yeah. Do you think that's infatuation still? No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I've seen them together. They in love.

[Flip]

That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my point.

[Flip]

And they might not have set out to do that. Yeah.

[Ish]

He'd be cool with. Is just on him in a nice way. Tj, my man. But how.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I mean I would tell him if he ever asked me me. Not that he should or would but I would say yeah. I think going on double dates which that's the part I had to issue.

[Joe Budden]

Got you.

[Ish]

You talking about initially.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But you know where I could disagree with that? And this could be cock sources. But there was also a report saying that the. The two. The other two started dating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That wasn't. But the. But the rumor, even if that's true was after they got exposed for cheating.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So that's a revenge thing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Flip]

You busting y' all ain't revenge, right?

[Joe Budden]

That's you putting the sentiment of revenge on it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying I didn't say happened after. I'm just saying it wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

All I'm saying is it changes the optic of our double date.

[Ish]

Not to me double date to swingers.

[Flip]

He's right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you steal, you steal my wife. And then six months later I'm like well it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's different.

[Flip]

Yeah, I bet that's not true. Because that means you already had to have some level of attraction for the individual.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Unless it's real.

[Corey]

Not necessary.

[Flip]

No, it don't.

[Corey]

She also might be nice what Pac.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Said she was my maybe you know.

[Joe Budden]

All kinds of stuff. But I want to play up what he said. Said cuz I. I'm with y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It don't say that you have to have had an attraction, but I think it starts with having an unattraction for somewhere that you once were attracted. Yeah, you. You looking for you to do that. You looking at your home base differently than you once did. For you to even be available to fall for the MC Gusto, especially as a woman.

[Flip]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

I think that we in the manosphere.

[Flip]

No, I think women have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Red pill has entered the chat.

[Flip]

No, I think women have. Have more.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. Oh, God, here we go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This next word. You about to be on the remix.

[Joe Budden]

Tanner. Get ready.

[Flip]

Morality than us. I think that if you're a woman, a man could be like, yo, he my chick. I'mma his chick back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

A woman is giving their body. Me too. Look, a woman is giving their body to somebody. Like, I don't know if the revenge is revenge for the chick today.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree with that.

[Flip]

You got the chicks today up.

[Corey]

Oh, you know, right?

[Ish]

He 50.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When they had money roll.

[Joe Budden]

You think women are able to.

[Corey]

Women got some revenge seeking in them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You think women are able to have access to a different level of morality than men?

[Ish]

I do.

[Flip]

No, I think that women. I think that women, because they're judged more harshly by society, they tend to make better choices because. Because they suffer the repercussions behind Masters. You gotta join us in 2025.

[Ish]

That's why they say they mature faster than us.

[Flip]

Like, listen, I think that if women could run around doing what men do, a lot more of them would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He left it back. He saw the shark.

[Joe Budden]

He was like.

[Ish]

They got the slut walk.

[Joe Budden]

They are doing that. Come on.

[Flip]

Not. Not in the masses like men.

[Ish]

No, I don't think so.

[Flip]

If you think many as many women are living like men, we could disagree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot more. But let me ask another question about this, because this is the other piece of this. Is there a respectable amount of time that you have to wait after you leave your ex for somebody else? Like in a situation like this, you gotta wait two years, you gotta wait a year.

[Flip]

He was already in love with the lady.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, but I'm saying. No, no, I'm saying, like before you get married, like, you gotta wait six months, you gotta wait a year. No, no, no.

[Flip]

When it's right, niggas will go right out the window.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause I feel like they waited two years. Not cause they didn't. They weren't sure, but because they wanted to. Yeah, let it cool down. The optics of it. Cause you look like an asshole leaving somebody after, you know.

[Corey]

See, I disagree. I disagree. I think if you lose your fucking job and wife, you might as well go all in.

[Joe Budden]

Jump, all in.

[Corey]

What are we doing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of wives, Brian McKnight, as you know, just had a major victory against his ex wife. This is one of the weird things that popped up in my algorithm this week too. He won an $8.8 million lawsuit against his ex wife. Allegedly 4. Defamation and other things.

[Flip]

Really.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And he made a video that is on the Internet where he's talking about. It's a weird video to me. I mean, there's a moment where he's saying, you know, God. You know, I let God fight my battles. Cause apparently, guy is only on the.

[Corey]

Side of people and has a law degree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, exactly. God is a good lawyer. Right. And then he had this weird thing with his son. You know, we mentioned his son, and then he played an old voicemail message from his ex wife. And then they showed him kind of skipping off in the background. It's a very strange video. But he won the money. And I guess again, like, I don't know, he seemed like a piece of shit to me for a long time the last few years. And I'm not convinced that he's not based on everything I've heard from all the sides. You know what I mean? Everybody can make their own opinions. But again, like, he's with a new. Like, does it matter? Do the legal victories matter? Do the vindications matter? Does any of that matter? Once you get marked like that, can you. Can you change the image?

[Flip]

I think. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Sometimes it ain't about the image. Nigga, you defamed me.

[Ish]

I wanna win.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pay me.

[Flip]

I want a legal victory just to prove that that shit wasn't true. I think it's unfair. I think sometimes for men, we get shunned if we do publicly a bunch of shit that women do. Like, you know, we'll be like, yo, you're a man. You can't do that. Like, how. How anybody that's going through a divorce or some shit, the women could just come out and tell all the tea. If a man comes out and tell the tea, we look at him like a bitch. You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, yo, say the word, T. Yeah.

[Flip]

So I think that sometimes as a man, that. That's your. That's your vindication. The court like, yo, dog, I was telling the truth all along. I can't come out and say some of these things because nobody gonna believe me anyway. So this is my win. This was my win. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If it's.

[Flip]

God forbid you and your wife went through a divorce, right? God forbid.

[Joe Budden]

It's just great.

[Flip]

No, I'm saying God forbid. God forbid you wouldn't go to certain steps publicly that your wife will go to. You would.

[Joe Budden]

You wouldn't.

[Flip]

I know you would. You wouldn't. You would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It might be the opposite.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

No, I'm not saying that your wife would even stoop to some bullshit, but I got what you think she did, White Mac.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I got you. Yeah, yeah. That's not my style.

[Flip]

You wouldn't do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

I would call you on the phone like, yo, you can't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You would. Stop.

[Ish]

You can't.

[Flip]

You can't do it, bro. You just can't. You gotta eat that. You gotta eat it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Brian McKnight is one of the people. He's weird, and he's done so much awful shit, it makes me really not want to listen to his music anymore.

[Flip]

And that nigga's fire.

[Corey]

He's got some good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's so hard. I watched a video of him saying why he doesn't talk to his kids. Why. You know, video. Why he didn't speak to his son before he passed away tragically a little while ago.

[Corey]

And listen, he just abandoned his kids. He wasn't touching them. We can still play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He even named another kid Junior. Right?

[Joe Budden]

But am I a social worker?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to say, then I heard one last cry on the piano by himself. And I was like, yeah. I was like, how nice was that kid?

[Flip]

Like, Mark said, he ain't touched the kid.

[Joe Budden]

And I care about my trusted circle of friends, my network, and my family of they being the best person that they could be. Everybody else. I don't have time to police y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

How are the harmonies?

[Joe Budden]

Brian McKnight. I want to sing at my wedding.

[Flip]

Four minutes.

[Joe Budden]

Four minutes.

[Corey]

Do I need longer?

[Joe Budden]

Four minutes. Why do I have to. Why do I have to. Like when we. When Slaughter Owls went to perform at Best Buy and they was running warrants and lock me up. Like, why do you think that the police about to be at my wedding to lock him up for not being here for the. I want it. Yeah. All right. Let's try it a different way.

[Flip]

What song?

[Joe Budden]

Like, what are y' all talking?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't too many songs better. One last cry. No, I mean, not for your wedding.

[Joe Budden]

If you. If you love your work wife and then you end up getting married to her after y' all lose your jobs and this. Come on.

[Ish]

On.

[Joe Budden]

With respect to his other kids.

[Flip]

Like, why we gotta always care about the children?

[Corey]

And we don't know them kids.

[Flip]

They could have had bad energy.

[Joe Budden]

We want to hear this.

[Corey]

And also, some things are genetic, like if Brian McKnight might be a little bit of. Who's to say, Junior?

[Joe Budden]

Was that the first Junior with you? Come on, man. Come on, man. What do you want Me to do, man. Yeah. What do you want me to do? See, that's the problem. He got all the wedding slaps. So who the is supposed to come on after Jesse Powell?

[Flip]

Everything I did.

[Joe Budden]

Look at. Look at Corey. I got. Look at Corey. Hey, Corey. Want me to send him a playlist? I got you. I'm texting to you.

[Corey]

Cory's in love. I've never seen him sing.

[Joe Budden]

Brian McKnight. Try kissing this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm saying that with respect to the. The other kids, sometimes they be hearing.

[Flip]

The podcast different stories. I think what happens a lot of times sometimes is.

[Corey]

I'm joking, yo.

[Flip]

To do some. That's just way left in public. No man is doing what he's done in public. Even if you feel like he felt you wouldn't do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What he did, like it bothered me.

[Ish]

To hear that he didn't speak to his son before he passed away.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that. That bother.

[Ish]

That like even listening now.

[Flip]

He said, yeah, see, we don't be listening to the man's perspective. And I don't want to act like I'm capable.

[Ish]

What do you say? I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't want to act like a paper for him.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Flip]

He says some that he tried. They used to have a really, really, really close knit family. Yeah. Like, you know the thing about like I'm a Brian McKnight fan. His kids used to be on all his albums, like played a part in all of that. They said that their relationship used to be super duper duper tight. And at some point in time, somebody drove a wedge against it. He tried to get it back and they wasn't with it. They chose basically.

[Joe Budden]

And that's just the problem with having more kids. Right. Like he face. Somebody got to get. Get phased out. Like I can't be.

[Corey]

We got us so much time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The kids were grown.

[Flip]

Oh, and they grown. Yeah, they was. Damn.

[Ish]

They grown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they were grown.

[Flip]

They were grown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One of them was like a 30.

[Flip]

When they started beefing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Brian McKnight's position was some of these kids still wanted me to take care of them. They didn't want to write their own ticket, all that kind of stuff. Naming. I don't know who's right and who's wrong and all of that. I know when you have a kid and you name another kid Junior after you already have one, you can have Brian Knight Jr. And have two of them. Junior, Junior and this one. The other one ain't my Kid no more.

[Ish]

Didn't George Foreman name his kids George Foreman?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but they were all still his kids.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it was like the second, the third, third.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The fourth.

[Flip]

It wasn't Junior again.

[Joe Budden]

Named two juniors.

[Flip]

He basically said the first one don't count.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He called it do over.

[Joe Budden]

So that let the public know which one he phased out, which is the problem. And he might be listening. I don't want smoke.

[Ish]

You know, Be listening to you, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe you're more listen to me than I be one. I be wanting to just talk about some people. Y' all be hearing me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Anyway, I feel bad a little bit, but. Okay, I got it. I. I listen to see Brian McNight's reason.

[Joe Budden]

When he lose his voice, I'll be. I'll be off his side. He could be a. I'm with y' all on the portion.

[Flip]

No, he.

[Joe Budden]

He's right.

[Flip]

I could tell.

[Joe Budden]

He. Oh, he's. I would be there for all of my kids if I decided to have all my. If I had all these kids, I would be there for him. I ain't that type of.

[Ish]

They said the judge rules.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a little bit of that.

[Ish]

Whatever evidence they presented the judge ruler.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the defamation part is probably. Yeah, he's probably right about that.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

I ain't said nothing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm down to find out about one or two of them late.

[Flip]

Let me ask you a question. If your kid disowned you when they were 30.

[Joe Budden]

If my kid.

[Flip]

If you kept trying to be a part of their life or you kept making the effort. Effort, effort to meet them halfway or 70%, whatever the case may be, and they just like, nigga, fuck you, suck my dick.

[Corey]

What are you supposed to do in that situation?

[Joe Budden]

If you're at. And I don't want to get us all serious. I think that. That if that happened, I would take a failure on my part.

[Flip]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

Possibly because. Well, if. If me and my oldest didn't course correct. I mean, that's where it might have been headed.

[Flip]

I remember.

[Joe Budden]

So I think it's important to. I had a lot of talks with my dad, with my granddad, with just men fathers out there to help set my perspective straight. Because it's real easy for a parent to also get angry at a child. And that part is not talked about a lot. Like, I was angry at my kid for some shit and he was angry at me. So if it gets to the level you talking about, we missed a whole bunch of steps. And as a parent, you understand that from the kid, especially the kid that's getting shit put in their head. But as the dad or the parent, it's your job to stay consistent. It's your job to add a different level of perspective. It's your job. And if that don't happen, then no matter what, it's a fix.

[Flip]

And to add on to that, if I'm in that situation, I would still say if that kid ever had a change of heart, that door is always open to at least have a good. I would never completely just say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it seems to me when you start changing kids names and saying that's not my kid no more, you're closing the door. But I think, I can't imagine my kid doing anything that would make me do that.

[Ish]

I think that's easier said than done. You know, I have two sisters and my father tried and tried and tried. They don't fuck with. With him for whatever their mother said. And he tried and tried and tried for a long time with money and whatever. And for the first time I heard him say, like, man, they don't with me, man, I'm getting older. He has accepted it. So sometimes you accept that the door's still open, he's down for them to talk to you.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Flip]

That's what we said. You can accept it.

[Ish]

But I'm just saying it plays something in my head when I remember him saying that, yo, I tried, I tried.

[Joe Budden]

I totally agree with that. I think that's a little different from what I'm saying.

[Flip]

It is, it is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, God.

[Joe Budden]

I totally agree. Agree with what you're saying. I got people in my family, some of the elders. It's like I did all I could for such and such and I'm older now. I don't have the time or the energy. What I'm talking about is me and, me and mine weren't. He wasn't abusing me and I wasn't abusing him. We just are building trauma. You over there hearing what you hear and I'm over here hearing what I'm hearing. We in the court both mad at the judge for different reasons. Like it's, it's. That's different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

I got you. Somebody just getting their ass kicked by their kid. I'm not with the. That in the name of enabling your kid. I'm not with that.

[Flip]

Got you.

[Joe Budden]

That was a good talk. Yeah, I agree. It was a good talk. How you're masculinity.

[Corey]

There's a couple moments prov.

[Ish]

We got something. You going to learn, brother.

[Joe Budden]

You going to learn. It's Mark's fault. You can't control your timber. And now people think that's what we do every week.

[Flip]

Cuz that's all they saw.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I have no comment.

[Joe Budden]

And then they calling you or you.

[Ish]

And you having a conversation on the phone like, yeah, I accept that. I did that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I have no comment.

[Flip]

You supposed to defend us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all know Mark defends us a lot. You have no idea. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, hold on.

[Flip]

How about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No all the time? All the time. Because I actually think they'd be wrong about y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not just that. I don't just defend. I defend my friends because I defend my friends. But I also think they actually be wrong.

[Ish]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Even with me and you. Like, I felt like people just got it wrong.

[Corey]

What do we say?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, they are wrong because if you only watch 30 seconds of a clip, they think that Flip was mad at me for using big words and whatever. Whatever you think, Whatever I think about what Flip thought or whatever he thinks about what I said. That wasn't the conversation.

[Flip]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But because of clip culture, that's what people hear. So then it becomes like, oh, you.

[Ish]

Know, there's a culture of black renaissance.

[Flip]

He jealous of him because.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And, and that's the thing. Their points are correct. They're big. They're big picture points based off of the clip. No, I'm saying their points are correct. They ain't got nothing to do with us. Right. There is anti intellectualism in the world. There are people who don't like learning we are declining all that shit as a country.

[Flip]

Is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This isn't what we were arguing about. No, we weren't. And so then I don't want you to become the scapegoat or a punching bag or a punch line. You know what I mean? I hated that remix.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's where I think some of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You, after like an hour, I was like, I'm not listening to this no more.

[Joe Budden]

That's where I think some of the ignorance lie though, right? Like, and everybody's guilty of it, but you got to pick and choose when you're guilty of just judging by clips. You see, like, for me, it's very important to remember. I don't know these people. I don't know y'. All. Everybody is running their own business and running their own race. It's real easy for people to think because you on the algorithm so much or because they hear you speak so much that they know you or are familiar with you or know Enough about you to now cast judgment.

[Flip]

True.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mm.

[Joe Budden]

You can't do that. And on the flip side, be called this. This intellectual. Not where I come from. Or this progressive, not where I come from. That. That. That just means you are contributing to the divided states of America.

[Flip]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, and that's not my. That's not. That's not. That's not my ministry. Right. Like, I'm very. My. My church accepted all. And made sure to tell you every Sunday, no matter what your walk of life is. Hookers, hoes, prostitutes, gamblers, drug dealers, dope, addicts, abusers, they went through the gauntlet on Sundays. Y' all all are welcome here. That's kind of my outlook on things. I want to be able to. Communication is. Is not just what you say, but it's what you're receiving. I don't want to be in a place where I'm only receiving things from people that are like minded. And some of them on that. On that native podcast said that, like, I'm really. I'm really grateful for what Andrew had to say and what Bakari. Bakari had to say. I was really happy that those gentlemen were there and I didn't. We can get on this later, but yeah, we can get on this an hour too. Cause I gotta. I gotta get to the money. But yeah, the money. The money comes first. We'll get back to what. What they was talking about.

[Flip]

And money. Money plays a part in what they was talking about too.

[Joe Budden]

It's just too much of that. Yeah, and we'll get to it. It's just too much of that going on. Like, you can't call yourself the. The. The native land pod and then misunderstand people from native land or. No, no, no, because you have a.

[Flip]

Degree, not even school. You purposely. You are purposely shunning them and turning your nose up at them. And then you complain when the white.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got talking to the other side. I want to hear what y' all got to say. And I'm g disagree with y' all instead of for my friends, but I want to. I want to hear it.

[Flip]

Yeah, you do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody stay calm though, please.

[Flip]

A thousand percent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Manage your tempers.

[Joe Budden]

Now it's time for my favorite part of the show.

[Ish]

Prize picks.

[Joe Budden]

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[Flip]

You be typing Chubby? Cause that, evidently that's in the dictionary.

[Joe Budden]

My phone don't turn he like wifey. I'm on Chubby today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me say you this, let me.

[Ish]

Say this while I'm at work. Look, his wife.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, look good Y. Don't ever type Chubby again. Nick Chubby for more than 35 and a half rushing yards. And Jonathan Tails, who's killing it for me for more than 18 and a half receiving yards. Please don't forget to use promo code JBP for your chance to win $50 instantly as you play your first $5 lineup. And that's only on prize picks where it's good to be. Right? Shannon can't fuck with me on the prize picks ads. I ain't gonna lie. That's hate.

[Flip]

Shannon got prospects.

[Joe Budden]

That's hate. But we prize picks brothers, so I can say that now. I seen some of this, I'm smoking that. But we'll talk for us people if he go get the ESPN announced something that I'm excited about, but I ain't going to announce it here, okay? Cuz it's not out yet. It's not done yet. Hey, we bike and you say New York City. Oh, hey, we bike.

[Corey]

That's exciting.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's exciting. That's exciting. I didn't want to say it now and just be like give G blue balls. But ESPN said it, so I'm going.

[Corey]

Say, oh well then say what?

[Joe Budden]

Couple weeks we might.

[Corey]

Can't wait.

[Joe Budden]

Asterisk and you said New York. Huh?

[Flip]

Asterisk.

[Corey]

You gotta take a little trip.

[Flip]

No, no, it's, it's, it's different.

[Corey]

Oh, okay, got it, got it.

[Joe Budden]

It's available. Word. We'll see Joe, we got. We'll talk about it whenever it happens.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We got some breaking news here.

[Joe Budden]

Did somebody die?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, nothing that serious.

[Flip]

He started.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no. This isn't bad breaking news. This is breaking news.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saweetie has stood up and shut down the allegations of her being an escort.

[Joe Budden]

Since we talked about it on the show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We have to address this.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please. Oh, please.

[Corey]

Would you have a quote for us?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She says, and this is. I can tell by the way it's written that it's all her words.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The recent accusations made about me are false, defamatory, and deeply disturbing.

[Corey]

I believe her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

These claims misrepresent the facts and are solely aimed to damage my reputation. This person can't have that. Never managed me. She was simply introduced to me by family. Her motives are now obvious. I'll let the lawyers take it from here.

[Corey]

There you go. There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God. Sweetie cleared that up. Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Now we got clarity. We get it now. Now we get it.

[Corey]

Now we just gotta wait for the other.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That was weighing heavy on me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that she spoke up.

[Flip]

Clear her name. So transparent.

[Joe Budden]

She could have just continued to go unseen and unheard.

[Corey]

Manosphere.

[Joe Budden]

Wait. I'm serious, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I am glad.

[Joe Budden]

I am glad that you cleared that up now. What I. What I feel about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

May or may not understand.

[Joe Budden]

I understand. I don't think the. The madam was ever claiming that she managed Sweet.

[Flip]

It depends. I manage your career.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I wasn't your road manager. I managed you on a road. I managed some things for you back your purse. So she never claimed she was the manager.

[Flip]

What else?

[Joe Budden]

She said she'll see her. See her in court.

[Corey]

Justice for Sweetie, man.

[Joe Budden]

Justice for Sweetie. You don't want to buy lying on your name.

[Corey]

That's right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Never took a while.

[Flip]

I'm just curious.

[Joe Budden]

It took a second. Hey, Sweetie. This was a story for a couple weeks back.

[Flip]

I'll pay that money.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part. But anyway, if you're not selling, then it's bad for them to put selling in your jacket. Yeah, it is. I'll say that. Yeah. Also, a lot of y' all are selling.

[Corey]

That's true, too.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about Sweetie. I'm not talking about Sweetie. I'm just saying is getting sold.

[Flip]

And also, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Flip]

The alleged manager, madam, whatever you want to call her, said, give me my money or I'm gonna keep talking. And she stopped talking.

[Joe Budden]

All she want is her money back. And she stopped talking, did she?

[Flip]

I ain't seen nothing else.

[Joe Budden]

No. She had popped back out. She had popped back out a couple days ago. Go, sweetie. And go, madam. If you got paid, I'm for. The madam's getting paid.

[Corey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Pay with Joe.

[Joe Budden]

That's where I come from. It's hard to find. It's hard to find a good madam like it's hard to find a good accountant. Assistant, sure. Engineer madam just ain't easy to come by out here. Ones that you violated vibe with. So if you find one. Hold on. A madam that's bringing in an extra couple hundred thousand a year. Yeah, when is dormant.

[Corey]

Listen, if anybody's bringing an extra couple hundred thousand dollars a year.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If you want to play friendly with.

[Flip]

Them, the feet picks might do it.

[Corey]

They might. They might keep my options open.

[Flip]

There you go. This said, yo, hold on to the good madam's day.

[Joe Budden]

Hard to come. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

I believe you, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Way back in the day.

[Flip]

Yo, hold on to your barber, my nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Way back in the day, in my Florida days, when I was in some of the strip clubs that I shouldn't have been in trying to fuck women that I shouldn't have been trying to fuck. A good house mom helps. It's like a third base coach.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

It's like a third base coach. Yeah, it is a good house mom will set this straight and let her know. Know who to be with, who not to be with. How would you go? Who's a good guy? Who got good carfax? Who got.

[Flip]

Stay away from this one over here. Yeah, this one right here.

[Joe Budden]

A good house mom have her just walked in the car like, all right, it. Because this. The show is too big.

[Flip]

Go home.

[Joe Budden]

The show is too big now. So when we talk about that stuff, they want me to get arrested, but that's my past, Angela.

[Flip]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it is.

[Corey]

It is our two.

[Joe Budden]

That's part of where I come from. Here. It's important for me to understand all walks of life. I'm not shaming. I'm not shaming where anybody got their education, what that education may be, and how they choose to disseminate that. I'm sure I'm more of an intellectual when it comes to escort the angel, but that's besides the point, I think. What are we. What are we talking about?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sell it. Y' all want to talk about Angela Rye?

[Corey]

We're an hour, too.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we're in hour two, and we already just did what we just did coming off the break. So here we are. Right back to it. Angela Rye I totally accept your non invite to your platform and would like to add on to it.

[Corey]

But she disinvited you from her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, she said everybody up here wouldn't be welcome.

[Ish]

Who wants to go up there?

[Flip]

Oh, man, I can't go somewhere that I didn't want to go.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I didn't even know they existed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why don't we tell the audience what happen happened?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, go ahead, tell him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I thought y' all was gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Do it, but I never heard park.

[Ish]

Get Janet out your pocket.

[Corey]

He just made noises in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

In the aftermath of my contra tomp with Flip last week.

[Flip]

He's doing it now. He doing it.

[Corey]

Yeah, he's doing Tricky words.

[Joe Budden]

Tricky words.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There was a lot of media that came out, but one of the biggest big pods that I saw respond to it and I just heard it this morning on the way in was the Native Land podcast, which is a podcast with Andrew Gillum, former mayor of Tallahassee, Angela Rob, formerly of cnn Media mogul Mark.

[Joe Budden]

If you going to do it and give your friends a whole bunch of respect.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tiffany Cross and I gave y'. All gave y' all chance to do it.

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, check this out. Check this out. No, cuz, he's being too respectful for me.

[Ish]

He's supposed to.

[Flip]

We gonna turn up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I don't wanna. They bother so big and say they last.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, let me finish the thought. I'll just say this. They put a podcast out responding to what happened between Flip and me, and they offer different perspectives on it. I think I thought they were generally respectful and I agree with a lot of what was said. Some of it I had a slightly different take on, but they were basically using this as a kind of launching pad to talk about a bigger issue, which they saw was a dumbing down of America. I think the episode was called Joe Biden Button, the Joe Button Podcast and the Dumbing down of America. And they were saying that between me and Flip is evidence of that. Now, as I said earlier in the show, I don't agree with that part of it.

[Corey]

It's just not in his head. So I think he does well, that's.

[Joe Budden]

Where problem number one arise for me. And then I'll toss it back to Mark. You title it that and then admittedly say, I don't look at that because that's not in my ministry. See, that's why I appreciate what Andrew had to say because he said one. I'm not familiar with this podcast. I don't watch the clips from this podcast. I assume this Is not their frequency every week.

[Flip]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Andrew. That's why you need niggas with brains around. Thank you. That indeed is not our frequency every week. He went on to say, I also trust Mark. Mark and his ability to gauge where he should and shouldn't be, who he should connect with and who he shouldn't, to kind of filter out where he's safe at. So I took offense to the sentiment. I took offense to a few sentiments, but one is that we slash. I don't love Mark down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I take offense to that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how much I want to go into love and markdown. Fuck Mark.

[Flip]

No, it's a bunch of things. I think that the young lady, Tiffany. So it was four people on the panel. Two gentlemen, two women, Tiffany, two women, Angela Rye, young lady Tiffany Bakari, and the old mayor, Angel Andrew Gilliam, who's your age. So.

[Corey]

Former mayor, if we were a little more.

[Flip]

He ran for governor.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Flip]

Okay, okay. But he. So who I think is dope too, by the way. So a lot of times in these political spaces, a lot of times in the spaces that are, quote, unquote, intellectual, we often look at demographics and we look and pick and choose when we want to play victim and we want to play aggressive. So when the rich white people are doing certain things to us, we cry wolf. I mean, we don't cry wolf. We cry foul. And then we'll take the same exact thing and now shun other people that are less than we are or that we deem less than we are. So when we in a political space and we see all these rich white people making all these moves and doing all these shit and saying, fuck the masses. I don't care what they think. And then the young lady got on the platform, basically called Flip dumb, and said, I don't give a fuck what he thinks. I don't want to hear from him because he's not, in my opinion, credible or his opinion is not valid. It's the same thing that the white people that oppress us say their opinion is not valid. I don't want to give a fuck about the thoughts of sheep when I'm a lion. So I think that that's a hypocrisy in that you understand what I'm saying?

[Corey]

I do.

[Flip]

Also, that's what happened with Flip and Mark is contextual. And if you don't watch the pod, which none of them admittedly did do, you don't even understand the argument that was taking place.

[Corey]

And this is where My problem comes in. In the so called intellectual community and thought process, not watching or citing your sources is a huge red flag. You can't just spitball some and then claim you're an intellectual or go off a 30 second clip and claim you're an intellectual. Like if you don't watch the podcast and admit that you don't watch the podcast and admit that you only see in clip and I didn't watch their podcast so I can't speak on that. But if that is indeed the case.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'D be ironically ironic.

[Corey]

I know, right? Which why I won't have a ton to say in here. But I do have a problem with someone not watching the podcast and having a deep opinion about the podcast.

[Flip]

You don't even argue. You don't know what the argument is about, where the argument came from. You don't know anything.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's part of where my, my acceptance of her non invitation becomes relevant. Right. Like, like Angela R. I can assure you, like I've got over 25 years in this business. I can assure you if you and I are in the same place, it's a mistake on my part. Like I'm all for people saying who's invited and uninvited places. So I ain't mad at it, but we would never be in the same space.

[Flip]

I disagree with that and I took offense to that because it was almost saying that, yo, if you aren't this, if you don't have these accolades, I don't even want to communicate with you. Right? And again to my same point, politically or economically, some people can now say if you don't have XYZ amount of dollars, I don't want to talk to you. And your opinion is nothing to me.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Well, and because of that, I wouldn't be so quick to cast aspersions on people that I don't know know like is what I'm saying. Like I've never met these people. I've been in the business a long time. If we've never met, I'm not taking your content and then, and then just assuming that I know about you or your character, it's in bad taste. Which is why you'll never see a clip titled up here. Angela Rye anything. No, I'm not watching the content. What you talking about is not my vibe. And that's where the facts are stop for me.

[Flip]

See, Flip is my friend though. You understand what I'm saying? And so they were shooting that flip a lot. It was unfair. And then we get into these spaces where no Flip may not have three degrees. I've been to Flip house. Flip got an elevator in his house. I've been around Flip. Flip generates more income than a lot of these so called academics. Do you understand what I'm saying? So when you go in, the kid is well spoke. So Flip's children are mannerly, they're polite as and they good kids that you would think grew up in Livingston, New Jersey somewhere. Short Hills.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't have time for y' all looking at content and. And deciding which departments people are bright in and people are not. Who the are you people see? Hold up, Mark. It ain't time for you to cop a plea for your friends. That's a dead serious like who the fuck are you seeing? I'm cool with content lands being different too. Some of y' all only get on camera with the intellectual perfection areas that you brighten. I don't pride myself in doing it that way. Like, I do things in real time. I allow people to see my shortcomings. I allow people to see where. Where I made an error in judgment. I allow people to see I'm a fan of redemption. I allow people. People to see growth. I'm not just trying to only pop up when is good. I think that there's a certain courage in that. I think that that takes a certain level of tact and boldness. So again, for you people to look at Flip. Y' all don't come on. I don't know about. I don't know if everybody's so bright in their relationships.

[Flip]

No, I don't know if everybody.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if everybody's having a black ass with a parental situation. I don't know what your situation with your kids or your siblings is like. I don't know what you like in social settings. All I know is what I see from the content. You quote unquote. Intellectuals seem to be pulling a lot from places that again, like it said you admittedly know very little about. It just comes off away.

[Flip]

Yeah, it comes off away. It's like if you put.

[Joe Budden]

Especially when you pretending that and see. Especially when you pretending to do all of this super black Kumbaya shit. I got a problem with that too. I got a problem with the people that masquerade as Kumbaya. Super black, all for the people. And I'll be the first one to tell you how we're different. I come on here every week and say we're less different than we all. Like, we just got different ideologies. But I'M not going to keep listening to people who In 25 years I've never said the name Angela Rai. I don't give a about nothing y' all talking about over there. I'm saying that respectfully. I don't come on here and say a word about any of that shit. I expect reciprocity. You could have titled that clip totally different. Don't claim to be super pro black and then take the number one black urban podcast and put that type of stink on it because you think you got a friend over here that don't give you a license.

[Flip]

I don't think it's that. I don't think if Mark was here or not, they. I think if Mark was here, they.

[Joe Budden]

Would never have those conversations. No, they having those conversations because their friend is up here.

[Flip]

No, they having those conversations because Mark is deemed an academic and an intellectual, which you are.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he is not Dean.

[Flip]

No, no, I said what you are. So now it's yo. Why is he even there? Like Angela said, yo, Mark just come home.

[Joe Budden]

Angela Rye.

[Flip]

I mean, pardon me, Angela Ryder. Mark just come home.

[Joe Budden]

That's the other.

[Flip]

But then you go on to say how diverse Mark is. So I think that that's an insult because you don't put Mark in a box. Mark is home. Mark is a black man sitting in a room with black men that grew up in circum Similar circumstances, albeit we wasn't all in the cult.

[Joe Budden]

You can't say he our own walks of life.

[Flip]

Yeah, dog, like I just, I just disagree with that shit.

[Joe Budden]

I look at it and thank God there was a black, black owned independent media company there to pick up our good brother when he was misunderstood by other outlets.

[Flip]

Talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Why is that part not being said by pro, pro, pro black native land people? I'm getting confused. Yeah, Mark was a free agent. Y' all had a chance to bring.

[Flip]

Him home and didn't.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't.

[Flip]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

So don't sit up on your fucking platforms all pretentious as one of the Charlemagne. That's how I know you. I know you as one of the Charlemagne. And get to saying what Mark should and shouldn't be doing. Please, please. If you didn't discuss this podcast before, if by your own admittance you know very little about it should. The woman Tiffany said at least five times that she don't give a fuck about these other opinions. All I'm asking is that you act like it.

[Corey]

Also, if you're, if you're for the furtherment of Intellectualism in America, and particularly in the early urban space. I hate that term, but whatever. Wouldn't you want an intellectual on the biggest platform to disperse some of that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's why. That's why.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying, Mark, mute up, man. Honestly, that's what I'm saying. I love Mark. We all. We all facts.

[Flip]

We do.

[Ish]

I do too.

[Joe Budden]

Slash, I learned from Mark.

[Flip]

I do as well.

[Joe Budden]

Slash, I want and need Mark here. It's all of those.

[Flip]

It's all of those things, Noah. It's a flip side to that coin. Mark is way more decorated than you academically. Mark can learn something from everybody else up here. And that was one of the things it was. I know. And that's academia, not your sentiment.

[Corey]

That's intellectualism. That's academia, yo.

[Flip]

And it was almost like, yo, what the fuck is he up there for? He's just hanging around with these hooligans that he can't take nothing from. And that's not the case, my nigga. Again, you could have a doctor, a brain surgeon, right, could sit in a room with a financier. The brain surgeon can have fucked up credit, be behind in his payments. He's smart in that particular area, whereas the financier can't do a fucking surgery. But he over here sitting with a net worth of fifty zillion dollars. You could be smart over here and smart over here and the two might not intersect. That don't mean that the brain surgeon is smarter than the. That's a financier. Flip, like I said, lives well. My. And makes more money than a bunch of. That got a bunch of degrees. This nigga's kids are well mannered, well raised. He lives well. And I don't think Flip might have never had a corporate job in his life.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's on them. Because they think black is niche.

[Flip]

Is you talking about. I don't like that they are moving.

[Joe Budden]

They moving around here. Like black is just. Flip is independent thing.

[Flip]

Flip is independent. A multi millionaire independently. You can't say that about a bunch of black in academia.

[Joe Budden]

And how about. How about we encourage more conversations with each other just about how. And I'm not necessarily saying us and y'. All. I'm just saying with each other about how we can be of assistance distance to each other. Why do we not. Why do we. Why don't we not always try to drive a wedge in between some shit that already has enough wedges.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

If you so fucking intellectual, one, how about understand context and nuance? You could have made that point again without saying it's Pod two. I never heard Mark say I'm a fucking super intellectual. I never heard him say that. I never heard Michael Dyson, you know my man Eric Dyson. Eric Dyson. Eric Dyson.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Michael.

[Flip]

Eric Dyson.

[Joe Budden]

Michael. Eric Dyson. You know the fuck I'm talking about. The nigga. You know the fuck I'm talking. I never heard him say I'm an intellectual. I never heard that. I never heard Neil DeGrasse come say I'm an intellectual. The intellectuals teach. They're not running around getting an erection or getting a wet clit from self identifying. And it's a lot of that going on that I'm only seeing since Mark got here. You can go back to the griot. Y' all could go back to the spiritual healer or wherever the you get your news from again. Y' all don't have that license because your friend is up here and he could have been there. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm done. I'm done, I'm done. We not invited to Angela Rise Show. Are you fucking crazy?

[Ish]

Can I say something, please? People And I've been seeing this people saying that you shouldn't argue with me because I was. Because I'm dumb, right? In their opinion. But a lot of people move with that intellectual arrogance and intellect doesn't make you superior. And that shit is not supposed to be used as a weapon. That shit's supposed intellect supposed to be used as a bridge. You know what I'm saying? Hold on. To connect, to encourage. You know what I'm saying? To connect, to encourage and to motivate. Motivate me to be an intellectual or to go over there and study and do that. That was my issue. And no disrespect to my brother Mark. It's not an issue. But that was my back and forth with Mark, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yo, bro, I look up to you, bro. I respect you, bro.

[Flip]

You my man.

[Ish]

And I didn't take in consideration that you're just one of us. I'm just looking for you for advice. Like, yo, you know what I'm saying? So when you crack the joke, I'm not looking. I'm not looking from that, from you. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking for him. Ish. I play around like that with you. I was like, you know, so that was my thing. I don't feel like intellect should be used as a weapon. And number two, I'm not saying you did that. You my brother. We talk, you know what I'm saying? And number two, man, I got it from the mud. You can't relate, you know what I'm saying? Common sense ain't so common, you know what I mean? And I don't need a book or not saying I. No, I do need a book. I do need a book. But I. I didn't need a book in order to get where I'm at today.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? We make fun of this man and we can say whatever he want, but he took a chance on somebody. He took a chance on someone like me. If you look up my history, he took a chance and said, you know what? I fuck with Flip. And I appreciate Flip. I'm gonna bring him up here on the number one podcast. And that shit meant a lot to me, you know what I'm saying? So I look at that and I appreciate Joe and I appreciate everybody and shout out to you niggas, man, a lot of you niggas can't fuck with me. And I don't mean to say nigga, but people can't fuck with me. Get to where I'm at. I don't like, get to where I'm at, man. This shit is from the mud. And when you get it from the mud, you appreciate different. You look at people different. You don't put other people down because you want to celebrate them, especially the ones that got it out the mud.

[Flip]

Not a lot of times, especially when you still punching the clock for the white motherfuckers that you supposedly condemning. Ooh, this nigga's self employed, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

And one thing that. And one thing. And one thing thing. And one thing that stupid people and. And Andrew and. And Bakari said this. I was so, again, I cannot stress they, they.

[Flip]

I cannot stress they held it down.

[Joe Budden]

How appreciative I was for what those two gentlemen had to say on the matter.

[Flip]

Sure. I beg your pardon again, I did.

[Joe Budden]

But one thing that quote, unquote, stupid people are really, really, really, really, really good at. And they've said it is known when somebody call him stupid. I'm glad they said a lot. They said a lot. I'm appreciative of those brothers. Angela Rye, I accept your non invitation. If I'm somewhere and you there, I'm leaving.

[Flip]

No, I'm a fan of Angela Ra, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think I've sat up here mad times.

[Flip]

I'm a fan of Angela Ra. I just think that in our community there's Unity in community.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not a fan of her, but, but once we get to our all black club, we could identify where we at, who's our tribe and who ain't.

[Flip]

I don't, I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think they all love black people and I think they all care about all of us up here.

[Joe Budden]

I do sound like it then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, just hear me out. So I think first in terms of the title of the episode, I agree. I wouldn't have titled it that. Cause I think that doesn't set the table for the kind of conversation we want to have have alienates people from the beginning. I agree with that. I, I think Andrew's a dear friend.

[Joe Budden]

And it just appears a little like clickbaity.

[Flip]

What the clout chase.

[Joe Budden]

Like you, you like you are their friend. Right. So they invested in a you and flip back and forth and I guess y' all are on this podcast, but it's behind a pay wall. It wasn't the main, like, why is my name even attached to whatever the is one and two. Why would you want to cast that type of light? Because also they showed that other clip where you were, where you were saying rest in peace to your friends, to your friends that were lost and we handled it very poorly. I, I admit we handled that. I, not we, I handled that very poorly. But again, don't tell me that you are pro black and then want to highlight the very, very, very worst of the best black podcast that there is. I'm just not buying it. Words and actions need to, I mean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think we're all guilty sometimes of not doing enough research on clips or on shows when we make opinions. That's true. We're in a professional response business, so that happens sometimes. I think if those are the only two clips they saw, I could see how someone could draw an opinion of the show that's different than I see the show full time. But that's why we should read more and that's why we should watch more and trust more. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Trust your friends.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Angela's a dear friend. I mean a dear, dear friend. And she cares about me. And so I think we, we're going to be passionate in defense of our friends and that might become the top priority. So I, I, I do, I do understand that. And, and, and Tiffany, all of them are friends, but Angela's a close friend out of here. So, so I think that's part of it as well. I, I, I heard they're kind comments a little more nuanced than that. What I heard Tiffany say Was when she was pushed on. It was. I'm not saying people shouldn't be everywhere talking. She just said, that's not my ministry. I don't want to be in those spaces. I think everybody recognizes that we have to be in all this space, that we shouldn't just be in academia. We shouldn't just be on mainstream legacy media. I don't think they're saying I shouldn't be here. I think they're saying I shouldn't be here if it's not healthy.

[Joe Budden]

Or she literally said, no, no, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me finish the thought. I shouldn't be here.

[Joe Budden]

If I. David, I'm not gonna let you lie on what she said. Tiffany said, you should not be here. Verbatim. That's not me. Freestyle.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm with you.

[Flip]

And that flip shouldn't be heard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And hear what I'm saying. There was a pushback and Bob saying by the end of the conversation, I think what they were trying to say that wasn't communicated well. I agree with you. Was I shouldn't be here if it's not safe or healthy or productive. I think the problem is if you don't watch the show fully from the clips, you might think that, but if you watch the show, you realize that it's not. And that's what I'm saying. I think we have. We have to watch more and study more. Again, I think part of that is just being protective of your friends. I agree that some spaces aren't worth being in. I agree with that wholeheartedly. As do I. Yeah, I don't think this is one of them.

[Joe Budden]

As do I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I do think that there are spaces, and I think that's the point they're making. I just disagree with the analysis that this is one of those spaces. That's all I wanted to say. And then finally, I agree with you 100% on the last point. And this is not about the native land pod, but it's about all these places. Is a lot of people who say to me, why are you up there? I give them two reasons. One is, I actually think this is a healthy and good. Well, three reasons. One, I enjoy it. Two, I think this is a healthy and good environment for me to have these conversations. I'm talking to people I've never been in conversation with before. I'm talking about the audience. But third, to your point, I got fired by CNN in 2018.

[Flip]

Ain't nobody calling.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They weren't calling. You know what I mean? It's almost like that would be Goldberg I was talking about before. It's like, all y' all mad that I'm with this person, but none of y' all wanted to date me. You know what I mean? And so it's like, yeah, I was perturbed about it. And that's not. Again, that's not a critique of Angela and them, because they weren't. They're not in the hiring business. But I'm saying, like, these companies, these corporations, even some of the fans are like, why are you here? Why you. There's like, cause I took some pretty passionate stands that y' all tell me to take, and then when I take them, it comes at a price.

[Joe Budden]

Goddamn right.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm willing to pay that price. And I'm always grateful to you for opening the door, knowing that it's not an easy choice to hire me. It's easy in some ways. In some ways, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? And so I never take that for granted. So I think it's a lot of moving parts there. But I do think America's getting dumbed down, and I do think we need to have that conversation.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just didn't want Flip to be.

[Joe Budden]

Even the poster boyfriend, mascot, poster boy. Cause it's not that conversation. Because it's unfair.

[Flip]

And he's not that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause it's not fair.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

There's way stupider podcasters.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to say that, but I was like, I was sitting on ass.

[Joe Budden]

So I just wanted to ask you.

[Flip]

Mark, I just wanted to ask you because you said she's a dear friend of yours.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Has she at any point reached out to you and had a conversation prior to going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She did. She did.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She did. And I didn't get a chance to holler back. Flip.

[Ish]

She.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And she came to me not about the pot, but about, like, I'm concerned. You know what I mean? Like, are you okay with.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, learn how to share your friend. I don't want to hear this Mark talking about, learn how to shear your friend. You got a friend that's cool on this side and is cool on that side. Share your friends. Not many mental health conversations we don't have with Mark and with each other. Like, don't tell me about some fight that Mark and Flip pad. Like, there's a brotherhood going on up here, whether you see it or not.

[Flip]

But it is a prejudgment based on your perception in the media. Media, they look at you one way, like, you're obnoxious, you're provocative. And all of these other things. So you couldn't dare have a brain.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad.

[Flip]

You couldn't dare be outside of a surface level thinker. That shit is insulting.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at a misjudgment. I'm mad at the attempt to correlate it to anti intellectualism.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. You couldn't have a brain in your head.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Part of the problem is viral culture, though, because if, if, If I look. If people look at the three biggest clips of me ever, maybe the four biggest clips of me. One is me laughing at a dude about the Cheesecake Factory with Angela.

[Joe Budden]

Actually.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, one is me and you about the flat earth. One is me and you. Now you're welcome. You know what I mean? You see what I'm saying? So, like, I think we've had some great moments up here. The mace and me getting. Well, fuck you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But my point is, like, there are moments up here that I think are great. Talking about mental health, talking about depression that I wish 5 million people would see that I wish. I wish the media outlets would talk about. But the shit that goes viral is always the worst part. The worst or excessive parts of it.

[Flip]

But they leaned into that too. They leaned into it, number one with the name of the clip. You playing the game. They playing the game as well. You leaned into it with the clip. Not just that. You also took the number one biggest platform and you structured your argument around it to gain some more clips. You did that too. Y' all playing the game too. Don't act like you above the fucking game. In the fray. You doing the same shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

I think it's also weird to. Of course, I. I personally, and I think all of us would like America to be smarter. But that's not just a black thing.

[Flip]

My white America's dumbing down every day too.

[Joe Budden]

Technology and all America.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which they did say in the, in the podcast.

[Corey]

I was. My point was that I was getting to is. I think we consider ourselves an entertainment podcast more so than anything. You can't expect high level intellectual everywhere. I don't want that. I want to go to the channel for laughs and music talks and stupid shit. Just like I want to go to the fucking video essays I watch on YouTube too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, well, that's the thing I get. I got frustrated with, with Twitter after this. And other times they're like, why is Mark talking about whatever, you know, Jay Z or whatever when he should be talking about these other things? Or I Hate that he has to talk about these. It's like, nigga, I wrote that on the board. Like this morning I wrote Lil Scrappy on the board. You know what I mean? Like I can name Brian McKnight.

[Flip]

We pulling Mark down to the trenches with us.

[Joe Budden]

But that's back to black people.

[Flip]

Marquez's old show. Support that Big dad.

[Corey]

Put that on your platform.

[Flip]

Man from North Philly that has experienced some nigga shit the same way he has experienced some high level shit as has most of the people in this room. Don't diminish us and who the fuck we are because we on this podcast talking about jerking off. It's some out here running million dollars. No dog, it's out here running multi million dollar businesses on their own.

[Joe Budden]

And that's what you talking about. But that's where again, it's just a little naive on the side of the quote unquote intellectuals, intellectual arrogance. Flip is running a multi million dollar business.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

In spite of what you think about how he articulates things, that's not possible without some type of intellect.

[Flip]

Cuz, y' all would be doing it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm running. I ain't going to say what the number is on me. I'm running a business.

[Ish]

So my million. But your is a business when you got a certain number.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even know.

[Flip]

Hey yo dog, I don't even know if your a business no more. Your might be a corporation.

[Joe Budden]

Enterprise.

[Ish]

Enterprise.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. I'll be the first person to tell you that I left one school in the 10th grade. I left a second school in the 10th grade. I left GED school, I left vo tec, I left piano classes. I left anywhere where they was trying to.

[Flip]

That thumb was getting in the way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yo, I'm not ashamed of it. That's my story. Right? Like I embraced that. Part of what got me where I am is I totally embraced my story. None of y' all could shame me for it, right? But part of my belief system with two recovering addicts as parents is there's genius down there. This genius down there. Where some of y' all choose to overlook. Where some of y' all choose to not be in rooms or have a conversation. I applaud Mark. Mark for being over there with y' all in the geek show and then coming over here and being down with us. One of the very first things Mark said when he got here was, listen, I've been doing X for this amount of years now. I'm heard by my people. He didn't say by new people. He said, I'm heard by more of my people. People. So if y' all are unequipped, the rest of you intellectuals, to go to both parties, then don't shame one of y' all for having those tools in the toolbox to be able to do so is all I'm saying. I hope I conveyed my point with all the respect in the world because I don't have any beef with y'. All.

[Corey]

Long story, short division.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not with it.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's divisive.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not with it.

[Flip]

It is divisive.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not with it. I'm not.

[Ish]

I appreciate y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I appreciate y', all, too. Now, when I have my little house events and Angela and them are there and y' all are there, how do I need to have it on separate sides of.

[Flip]

I think Angela, you got a big house.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not big enough, apparently. I think.

[Flip]

I think Angela's fine. I'm a fan of Angela R. I've said it up here.

[Joe Budden]

Multi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a fan. And she loves black people and she loves us.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a fan of some of her work as well as. Well, please don't misconstrue what I'm saying. As. As in I don't want to ever hear her. The way my. My black folk algorithm works is when she says some things I need to hear, it's there for me to listen to. I'm not a regular listener of theirs, but I'm also just not with coming in here and just fucking kicking everybody in the back for no reason. Unless you logic.

[Ish]

Do you think that her opinion is she's saying that it's too late for me to learn or I'm too ignorant to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't. I don't. I don't. I. I didn't get that from what she said. I. I don't think it's. I don't think it was even about you at that level. I. I think again, you and the show became the faces of the. Yeah, it became like the launching pad for a bigger argument. I think that's how the media works too. People have things they want to talk about, and we use Newspegs as a way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, make your point without Joe Budden's name in it. True. Fair. Make your point without saying mine. But then I get the chance to respond and she said that shit like there's ever been a call or a text that said Joe Budden is trying to come up there and hand you Up. And I ain't mad at it. I promise.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't about you. That wasn't about.

[Joe Budden]

About you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That wasn't about you. That was. I think the point was just, if.

[Joe Budden]

It'S about y', all, it's about me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hear that.

[Joe Budden]

If it's about y', all, it's about me. That whole speech, it was about me, even if it wasn't about me. But anyway, peace and love. Peace and love to all. Yeah, yeah. And there's enough going around for. There's enough cake around for everybody to get a slice. That's it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, on to our next story. Sex toys, right? No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Your good brother Mark wrote. Wrote that down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I did see something that I thought was kind of cool. I might be on the wrong side of this issue or in a minority on this issue. No, it's nothing crazy. The lime green joint, the MLK thing. Right. So, yes. I don't know if y' all been seeing Martin Luther King popping up on y' all battle rapping timeline. Battle rapping. Going to the wwe, saying, I am the dream.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And they got me in these crazy situations. And finally the King family stood up and said, enough. They went to Sora, who's like the creator of this AI Technologies, and said, please stop this shit. They agreed. They said, no more Martin Luther King AI depictions. But now people are saying we need to do it for all the black. No more Malcolm X, no more Prince. No more Michael Jackson. Stop taking our icons and doing crazy shit with them. I'm of the opinion that that's not okay. I actually think we shouldn't be banning it.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I mean, as much as I hate seeing Martin Luther King as a pro.

[Ish]

Wrestler, the battle rap between him and Malcolm X was fire. I like that.

[Corey]

I think if you're going to ban one, you gotta ban everything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

We're banning. We're banning the free use of it.

[Flip]

Yep.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

We're not banning the use of it. We're banning the free use of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Meaning you have to get permission from.

[Joe Budden]

So if you ask the estate and the estate is fine with it, then please, by all means. But for you to be able to grab our dead icons without permission from anywhere, like that violates rights.

[Flip]

That's the problem with the source.

[Corey]

Yeah, exactly.

[Flip]

That's the problem. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

So it's. It's.

[Flip]

It's readily available for anybody. So you can go type in a couple commands and it'll Create whatever you want.

[Joe Budden]

And if we don't push back about that, then you could potentially turn somebody's legacy into whatever you want it to be 20, 30, 40, 50 years after they're gone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's.

[Joe Budden]

And that's a scary place.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So that. So that's not about the icons and that's just about people's rights.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, well, I'm good. I agree with that. If you're alive, you. The rights differ.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so somebody.

[Joe Budden]

That's why dead icons rights is a conversation because a law was passed that says that once you die, we can. It's. It's Wild West.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ah, okay.

[Joe Budden]

That's why people are saying this has to stop with the people that pass, the people that are alive. They can't do that with Gotcha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But.

[Flip]

So I can't again. That's the thing with this.

[Joe Budden]

Well, there are laws that, that, that.

[Flip]

The laws are different. I'm saying, What I'm saying is like people making them videos, they not sell. It's not being sold. This is just somebody making a clip, throwing it out there. So not just that. You still using my likeness. I don't have to allow that.

[Joe Budden]

You're building your AI company.

[Flip]

For example, I saw a Patrick Mahomes one just yesterday where right after the game, he gave a referee a hug when his pocket pulled out some money and gave it to him like. And that's funny, but he's a lot live.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You get what I'm saying?

[Flip]

But it's not, it's not something being sold. It's just a piece of. I understand what we saying. People make money off of content.

[Joe Budden]

But you can't.

[Corey]

The company itself is making money.

[Joe Budden]

You can't build your business off someone else's likeness without permission. This is still America. Or.

[Flip]

AI is not building their business off of someone's likeness. That's just a use of it. You could. I could make a video that'll have this. I'm just saying I can make a video that I have this statue stand up and clap.

[Corey]

That is also a violation of intellectual property.

[Flip]

Of course, I'm someone that owns that.

[Corey]

That's the problem with AI in general is that it's stealing.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that is how they're building a business.

[Flip]

They are building their business because they are taking certain images and certain things and getting popular with it. Which means my business is growing as the popularity grows and I can now build up market share and go sell to a big dog dog for a whole bunch of money.

[Joe Budden]

And let's call it what it is. They coming to us again to build their business. Oh yeah, they're coming to us again.

[Flip]

To do it because we fall for it like yo dog. So again we see memes out and Michael Jackson memes out and Mahomes means out and Michael Jordan memes out. And now I didn't make money then, but now my, my, my valuation is high. Yes, I built my business on those images and those memes.

[Corey]

The entirety of AI, the learning model battles all that as we know it, at least today is just taking a bunch of that already exists, I. E. Someone else's intellectual property and amalgamating it into something quote unquote new. Which is why there was hip hop lawsuits in the early 90s. So the same, it's the same exact thing. It's sampling laws.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So the intellectual. And I'm not a lawyer, so I don't claim any expertise on this. I'm just thinking like what makes sense to me ethically.

[Joe Budden]

You are a lawyer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If the, the intellectual property part, I'm with you. But in terms of just icons, dead icons, should we not be able to have fun with their images? Should we not be able to do interesting creative things with it? Should that be like a non starter.

[Flip]

Now you opening the closed. Malcolm X is one of your idols.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

If you saw a meme that somebody thought was funny of Malcolm X doing some wild egregious shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It's not funny anymore.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, Right.

[Flip]

So some. Your definition of funny. Right. And Parks definition of funny or ISIS definition of funny is different. If somebody took Hitler and did had an image of Hitler running around doing all this wild shit, it's a whole group of people that's not gonna think that that's funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you, but I'm just wondering if I want to outlaw just cause I don't like it because for example, I would love to do some wild shit with an old image of Abraham Lincoln showing he really give a fuck about freeing the slaves. I would love to have you. And so I'm saying just because I'm offended by it doesn't mean that I want to outlaw. Because I don't like seeing Martin Luther King in that light. I would hate to see Malcolm X in that light. I just don't like to see Abraham.

[Flip]

Lincoln in that light.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. So I'm like, I have to let it all in. If I let. Or protect everybody from it or protect everybody from it. And I'm not sure if it's practical. It feels like this is. What do you call it?

[Corey]

Inevitable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's inevitable. Thank you.

[Flip]

Some First Amendment shit or teetering. Some First Amendment shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And I'm a little scared of what it means. Cause when the King thing came out, it wasn't like, all right, we need to stop everybody. It was like, we have to protect our icons. And that, to me, feels like we're protecting some people from this and not others. And that doesn't feel.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I have a problem.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That don't feel sustainable to me.

[Flip]

That's exactly what it feels like. Because now who determines who's an icon?

[Joe Budden]

Right. Right.

[Flip]

Yeah. Or what's funny and what's not funny. So to put a blanket out. There we go and protect everybody so nobody gets offended.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Were y' all offended, though, when y' all saw Martin Luther King?

[Flip]

Hell, no.

[Joe Budden]

I was entertained.

[Flip]

That's funny. I was entertained.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's funny.

[Ish]

When him and Malcolm X did the battle rap. That's funny. It was funny. I thought it was funny with him in the ring. I know. I had a dream. I don't stand with the dream. I am the dream and all of that shit. Cause I'm a fan of wrestling, so I understand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I thought about Imani when I saw the Michael Jackson one. And I was sitting there like, as a Michael Jackson fan, you could enjoy watching him and Prince talk about Hood at a better funeral. Or you could be like, I'm hurt. His loss meant something to me. And watching people play with him dead or Prince is awful. I can see people feeling both ways about it. It's art, though. And so I struggle. I just struggle with it.

[Joe Budden]

My other problem with that native land part, when did we ever have an intellectual that didn't need to learn how to convey their message to other people? Like, I'm just listening to y' all talk about Martin. I'm listening to y' all talk about Malcolm. Like this been around long before the Joe Button podcast and Mark joining. Not to hearken back to what y' all was, but anyway.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Strippers.

[Corey]

Strippers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, strippers. Lil Scrappy has made the Internet again.

[Flip]

And let them know you wrote this on the board.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, this is my story. This is my story. Little Scrappy. There's a couple. Little Scrappy going on where he was with his mom, Mama Dee, who people know from VH1 as well. Shout out to Scrappy and Mama D. Love them both. And they were talking about his childhood birthday parties, particularly when he was 14, 14 years old. And Mama Dee kind of matter of factly mentioned that there were strippers at his 14 year old birthday Party. And I was curious to know why. And before I could ask, she answered.

[Joe Budden]

He was the man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She said it was important for girls to be there because she wanted to make sure that he liked girls.

[Ish]

He was chasing pussies.

[Corey]

Okay, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, flip her more because there's another piece of the clip that I missed.

[Ish]

She wanted him to chase pussy and not wear a tote. And she shouted out the LBGTQ community. She said, no offense.

[Corey]

Totes are very popular now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I drop a good toe.

[Flip]

Joe got 77 of them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they definitely asked you a bunch of pops.

[Ish]

I think the uproar was that she doubled down on that while Scrappy said it traumatized him. He said he had to go to therapy, and that traumatized him, being 14 to see strippers in his face. And his mother said, you got traumatized by some pussy. So that's what the argument is about 14.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So there's a couple beats with that, right? No pun intended. So the. The first one for me is I didn't know that people really felt that way. Like Mama Dee. When I looked on the Internet, there are a lot of people who agree with Mama Dee, right? That, like, yeah, you bring strippers around your kid early bring girls around. Not necessarily strippers. You bring girls around the boy early to make sure that he's quote, unquote.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's crazy. Boosie did that.

[Flip]

Boosie did it with his son.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He talked about it when Boosie said it. And Boosie took it a step further.

[Flip]

Yeah, he did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought he was the outlier. I thought, like, he was like, one in a million. I didn't realize that, like, lot of people think that. Did y' all grow up with that thought like, that.

[Flip]

People thought like that. I mean, I'm. We older, so that wasn't necessarily a thing. Yeah, it wasn't thing back then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joseph, thoughts?

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm quiet on this because. And what I hear you saying is changing the conversation, right? Like, there is this negative undertone to Mama D trying to figure out or bringing. Hiring strippers to see if her son is gay.

[Flip]

See, I don't think it's trying to see.

[Corey]

To make sure.

[Flip]

Yeah. I don't think he's trying to see. It's. Even if there's a question, I'm bringing them to make sure. This is to, like. This is what you're gonna like anyway.

[Joe Budden]

That you tell that story. It comes with a negative to me.

[Corey]

Make sure he's not gay. It sounds negative.

[Flip]

No, no, no. The negative is if you are gay. This is. It's a disappointment. And I'm ne.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Flip]

And that's.

[Corey]

That's to make sure that's the negative piece.

[Flip]

Yeah, like that's the negative piece as.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I say all the time, how many gay friends my mom had. The hairdresser was great. Everybody was gay. And my mom is cool with all of them. There was a thing of in black families trying to identify who was gonna be a little and who wasn't. And that's not because you were about to treat him any different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just wanted to know.

[Joe Budden]

You just wanted to know.

[Corey]

I think that's reasonable, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

I think that's very different than. I don't have a beef with that.

[Corey]

Make sure is different.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have a beef with that. And when I say figure out they didn't hire adult entertainers to do so. Let me clarify what I'm saying. Right. But I'm not gonna shame parents, aunts, uncles, family for having that curiosity when kids are young.

[Flip]

I don't take that that way. I don't take it that it's a curiosity of trying to figure out. It's more of a matter of fact type of thing. Like even if you are we gonna make sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It's like, well, when you go to the extent of hiring adult entertainers and so forth and so on, then. Yeah. I'm only talking about the ability to be curious.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about you trying to drag something.

[Flip]

All right.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Cause that's what I hear when I hear those type of stories. It's like I'm making sure. Like I'm deciding for you. I'm making sure this what you want no matter what.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like every kid, every parent I know looks at their kid and at some point wonders like, are they gonna be gay? Are they gonna be straight? Well, it at least crosses your mind. You know what I mean? And you how you respond to that is to me the issue being cured or in the family. So and so might be so and so. You know, we all do that shit, right. It's the idea of trying to undo.

[Flip]

Do it black mother be like she call herself liking girls now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's it. They definitely think it's a phase, right. The gay part is always the phase.

[Flip]

She call herself being gay.

[Joe Budden]

Now you talking. That's the body of now. You know, I'm shutting up. But now you're talking. See. Cause we talking in this conversation. We talking about teenage boys, young boys, Little Scrappy being 14. But today the real.

[Flip]

Oh, you know, it's the other way today.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's the other way today. It's the other way today. What you mean? That's where the talk is real. It's in looking at our daughters and our nieces. It's the girls when they hit a certain age, bringing over their BFFs.

[Corey]

Got it.

[Flip]

And bro, today, wearing their hair a.

[Joe Budden]

Certain way, dressing a certain way, it's like, hold up now and then till they get the courage to come tell you or until you bright enough to figure out, yo, this is what's going on. Right? It is a thing, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not so much for the boys. The boys. If they close the fridge a certain way at 5.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you close the fridge with your hip at 5.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. It's the girl running around in camouflage sweatshirts with if the girls run around dressed like Derek where you like. Okay, something's up with this little here. And then they go get one boyfriend.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Flip]

No. Hey, guess what?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, as soon as you think it, they come home with their first and only boyfriend.

[Flip]

But guess what? But guess what he looked like.

[Corey]

Oh, a.

[Ish]

I'm like a little girl done.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done with John walking that bit like, why?

[Ish]

Why little Timmy look like that? Timmy like a little.

[Joe Budden]

And they don't go. And they don't go nowhere. Once they. Once you. Once it's out. They come into Thanksgiving with their girlfriend too. Oh, that's a fact. So if you got a problem, you eat your turkey fast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They'll be there.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz the kids are coming with their significant other. With their same sex significant other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As they should.

[Joe Budden]

I got family members that. That's gay. They ain't going nowhere without their gay girlfriend.

[Corey]

Nor should they.

[Flip]

And they should.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't mad at it.

[Corey]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

You get some sweet potato pie too, girl. Go get in here.

[Corey]

It's a good segue into Snoop's new animated series.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Corey]

Where he has decided to make some same sex relationships happen after his. After his outlash a couple months ago.

[Joe Budden]

Before we get there, can I just ask y' all messy questions off. Off the same topic.

[Flip]

Anybody I know?

[Joe Budden]

Have y' all ever been anyone's last straight encounter?

[Corey]

Maybe not last, but close to last.

[Joe Budden]

Have y' all ever pushed someone y' all to the other side, y' all their heads up.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Vice. Ish. Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been a last straight encounter yet.

[Joe Budden]

Y. Really? Well, you've been married forever.

[Corey]

I don't think the last. And I don't think you can push.

[Joe Budden]

A little, but you push somebody over there.

[Corey]

I don't know if you can push somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Someone gay after you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Corey]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Flip]

She was done with completely and Parks.

[Corey]

Well to this day went back too. So you know, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Y a up. What a up?

[Flip]

So y' all ain't never double back and pop.

[Corey]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Look at is. Look at is.

[Corey]

Yeah, you question.

[Joe Budden]

Look where his brain. What?

[Flip]

Yes, but.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you mean after she came out gay.

[Ish]

Yeah, no, that's different.

[Joe Budden]

I A few chicks that.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Budden]

That's different. But the problem with that was when I that chick that swore she was gay after me, she was trying to be straight.

[Flip]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

Get your ass back in the cabin, back to the other side, back in the camera all coming over here every day. No. And that's why you had to stop the. The gay 25 year olds, 24 year olds too.

[Flip]

Now I realized, oh no, you know, go back over there. I'm not doing what. No, we done. I'm finished. They don't stop.

[Joe Budden]

Then you had the girl that was just throwing. They don't stop throwing you for years. But you never took it that way because she was gay. Yes, had that.

[Flip]

Yeah. You was faking. It was pump for you.

[Joe Budden]

That gay is a. Is a nice thing to have in a two box sometimes for a girl and for a guy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You feel about your quit.

[Joe Budden]

That sounds homophobic. Huh. You about to say something right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That Angela Rye would have been ashamed of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No joker's on you. She'd be fine with it.

[Joe Budden]

The community is saying every week, twice a week, you talk about how gay I am on the low and I just miss it. Yeah, it's a lot.

[Flip]

He toss them?

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a mark. What else we got?

[Ish]

What else we.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Snoop, I'm sorry.

[Corey]

Snoop. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Corey]

They learned him. He's making an animated series on YouTube called Doggy Land and it's going to feature same sex marriages or relationships. And he has a whole, whole press. Press release about how important.

[Flip]

Goddamn right.

[Corey]

Got a theme song called Love is.

[Joe Budden]

I can see you. It ain't me sn clap you got.

[Flip]

I'm not anti gay. That's not what.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He just expected Donkey Land to be something different.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Told me Snoop was making a cartoon called Donkey Land. That wouldn't be why I throw it going. Yeah, yeah. But good for him.

[Joe Budden]

Snoop leaves no bag uncovered.

[Flip]

No, no, him and Chad, he's gonna.

[Corey]

Flip that bad PR into great pr.

[Flip]

Snoop and Shaq, I Saw Shaq in some commercial last night. I said, wait, he's in this too? I forget what it was during the game. I was like, wait, what? They don't play Shaq and Snoop. They don't play a master class in marketing and branding.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to bunch them together. Shaq wasn't performing at the Trump show. Show. I'm sorry.

[Flip]

Shaq can't host the Olympics either. I mean, I'm just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, kudos to everybody and got a re.

[Flip]

Invite.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If you. Snoop, would you do it again? The crypto ball?

[Corey]

No, I don't think he ever do that again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he would.

[Joe Budden]

I think he would. I think he would too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think hear him explain why he did it. I think he would do it again.

[Joe Budden]

I think he would do it again too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he felt like he was doing it for crypto.

[Joe Budden]

He. He.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hear him explain it. It wasn't about Trump for him. It was about his business partners. It was about crypto, and he had relationships. I'm not saying I disagree with it a thousand percent, but knowing how he makes sense of it, how he justifies it, I don't. I think he.

[Corey]

Why I disagree with y' all is because exactly what just happened with the doggy land thing, he made it make sense when he initially made the statement about not wanting to see same sex relationships on tv. It was a valid thing. I don't want to have to teach my kid about this. I want to watch a movie, and then immediately he's got a show and a song. So I think Snoop is very brain conscious, and he's one of the greatest we've ever seen at it. So I think that he would not do the crypto thing again.

[Flip]

I think one is offensive and one is less offensive. You know what I'm saying? I think one, you offended some people and potentially hurt some feelings, and I think the other one, you're just upset.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because, remember, most people want Trump. That's the thing. Like, I get that he's brand conscious. I think Snoop would do whatever is popular. But we act sometimes in our part of the world, we act like Trump's not popular. Like most people voted for him, including some people up here. Like it's.

[Flip]

It's a thing.

[Joe Budden]

Why you keep saying that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because somebody did.

[Ish]

Somebody up here did that. I'm telling you, in this room, nobody did that.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, name them then.

[Flip]

Because you keep playing around the line.

[Ish]

Nobody.

[Flip]

Or put a in the holster.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You do that. I put my gun in the holster.

[Flip]

All right, don't say It.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll never say it again.

[Flip]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll never say it again. I keep people. You. I gotta. I gotta keep.

[Ish]

Nobody told you that, Mar.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I just want to say that you not. You're not keeping someone secret. Secret. If every buff. You say somebody did it.

[Flip]

Somebody did it. I ain't gonna say who, though.

[Ish]

Yeah, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, you're right. So I won't do it.

[Joe Budden]

I know it ain't me.

[Ish]

I didn't vote.

[Joe Budden]

And the second.

[Ish]

I didn't vote at all.

[Flip]

Male is from Canada and couldn't vote.

[Joe Budden]

So the.

[Flip]

The number gets narrowed down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Corey]

Was it you?

[Joe Budden]

Was it you? Ish.

[Corey]

No, I think it was Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. You did it.

[Flip]

You cracked the code.

[Corey]

I cracked the code.

[Flip]

Somebody did it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Would have got away with it if.

[Corey]

It wasn't for you.

[Flip]

Crazy.

[Ish]

It was you.

[Flip]

Mark wouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

It was not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was not.

[Flip]

Never.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I say.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, you voted for Trump.

[Flip]

He would never.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Did y' all hear Trump say he. He don't want to get to heaven or he's not getting to heaven?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Did we care that our president doesn't think he's going to heaven?

[Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

That's why Corey. But he's so.

[Flip]

But he's so religious. His followers are so religious, right? Man, dumbasses up.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, real, real quick. We was talking about Snoop. I want to ask y' all about somebody else from that era. For me, is Fat Joe playing a caricature? And if so, a caricature of what?

[Corey]

I don't think so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think so either.

[Flip]

You gotta be more specific.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You have to, like, look at the clips that go around about Joe.

[Flip]

I think he's leaning into it.

[Ish]

The stories that he tells now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

I think Georgia was pretty.

[Flip]

He's leaning entertaining.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. At what cost is what I'm saying. I understand that. I'm not. I'm not here to debate that. Okay, Let me talk. I said I bought Flow Joe. Okay? I bought Don Gina.

[Flip]

It's my.

[Corey]

Me, too.

[Joe Budden]

To hear Fat Joe say I miss my Uncle Georgia. Yeah. Is like a slap in the face to MCs.

[Corey]

I give that one a little bit of a pass. Some people are good with remembering lyrics or hearing them.

[Flip]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

You. You don't got no lyrics. You've been with 30 years.

[Flip]

That one.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Flip]

I miss my Uncle Charles, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From his way. That I miss my Uncle Joe. I. I can hear. I can hear somebody that up.

[Joe Budden]

No Somebody. Yes. Fat Joe.

[Flip]

No. Why, though?

[Joe Budden]

Because he's impressed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We all got lyrics that we up.

[Flip]

It's one thing up.

[Joe Budden]

Lyrics.

[Flip]

But that is like the part of the song that, I mean, if you. You don't know Bone Thugs rap fast. We all know that. A lot of people don't know entire Bone Thugs Midwestern.

[Joe Budden]

But you knew that part. No.

[Flip]

You knew that part.

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

A lot of people knew that part. That's why it was a thing with Jadakiss. Another MC points it out.

[Joe Budden]

You have to be pretending at this point to be stupid to me.

[Flip]

He doing the same thing Fabio does on Instagram.

[Ish]

Let's stop it. That'll make you.

[Flip]

And let me tell you this.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying stupid. He's saying.

[Flip]

I'm gonna say, say this. Fat Joe solidified it. Outside. I'm solidified. Pardon me? Outside. Right. He solidified in his hip hop rap career. Now I want to do this podcast thing, and I want to be provocative. I want to be a little entertaining. Yeah. Some shit you might do.

[Joe Budden]

I would never do that.

[Flip]

You might not do that. You might not do that with that specific topic. But you've said, nigga, I'mma be by for a week. Some niggas ain't going to do that. You know what I'm saying? Just for the interaction and response and all that other.

[Joe Budden]

Other. What I'm saying is y' all are correct. My stance is only coming from an emcee's point of view.

[Flip]

But Fat Joe's not an emcee no more. He's not approaching things as an MC like that no more.

[Joe Budden]

Fat Joe still put out records.

[Flip]

I'm what? I'm Fat Joe the podcaster is not an mc. He's approaching this as a podcaster.

[Joe Budden]

My job is podcast and puts out music, though.

[Flip]

You're missing my point. My job when I'm on the couch is not to be an mc. True. It's to be an entertainer. So I'm gonna be entertaining. If I know when I tell these stories or I do these little funny things like this, those be my clips that go viral and at work, I'm gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not arguing with y'. All.

[Flip]

I got that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, at what cost? Like, when the word went around that Fat Joe tells the most amazing stories and they could be lies, we, as a fellowship, kind of just laughed. Cause it's funny. And we understand that. Okay. For niggas that purchased Fat Joe music to hear who him sing out loud. I miss my Uncle Georgia.

[Ish]

He probably got Uncle George.

[Flip]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get what you said.

[Ish]

I get what he said, too, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he's being. I think he's made a mistake.

[Flip]

If you see SAP Rocky, if you see Critical. If you see Joey Badass on a.

[Joe Budden]

Movie for that particular identifiable lyrics in Joe, man.

[Ish]

True.

[Flip]

You being too critical.

[Joe Budden]

You got to make. Maybe I'm.

[Corey]

This is a completely unrelated note. Have you ever noticed how long it takes for the chorus to come out on Crossroads?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I have.

[Corey]

Don't come until like, two and a half minutes.

[Joe Budden]

But they was cooking.

[Ish]

And we pray and we pray and we pray.

[Joe Budden]

They was cooking. They what?

[Flip]

They were, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry. Joe's uncle Georgia is hilarious.

[Ish]

Oh, I know you mc.

[Joe Budden]

I'm offended by that.

[Flip]

Yo, it's funny.

[Joe Budden]

I'm offended by him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hear him that up and he.

[Joe Budden]

Could be just joking around.

[Flip]

I think he's joking around.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It didn't seem like he was joking, though.

[Flip]

Fat Joe. I put Fat Joe in the same boat that I put Fabio in. What he do on Instagram when he.

[Joe Budden]

Spelled the wrong because.

[Flip]

No, when I say that because. Let me. Let me finish, please.

[Joe Budden]

Paul.

[Flip]

He spelled I paid. He'll say he's spelling wrong because again, I'm playing into something that y' all already think, and it's gone. That's what goes viral. That's what this is the content space where got to do to go viral. That leads to the check. That leads to money. You're saying at what cost? And that's. Well, guess what? Ain't losing money. You said, at what cost? Niggas ain't really making a lot of money. Music money, selling music today. But I might make a lot of music on this podcast, and I need my numbers and my views and my clicks up. So, yes, I'll be entertaining to do so.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze. You are absolutely right, my brother. I'm saying at what cost? Him and you and him are saying a cost. I'm willing to pay. Like that ain't my cost. It might not be a cost.

[Flip]

It might be some.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Some debit.

[Joe Budden]

You've been here since 92. There's a cost. I'm not going to let y' all new kids on the block do that. It is at a cost.

[Flip]

What's the cost? You're not looking at Fat Joe, the MC the same no more.

[Joe Budden]

You are. You're wrong. That's a cost. It's a big. I'm not saying it's a big one.

[Flip]

But that is a cost.

[Joe Budden]

He don't have to care about It.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know.

[Flip]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

You know, part of what makes they dynamic. They dynamic on that show is the fact that he sitting across from somebody that the entire universe knows sit on that mantle. That's what makes it.

[Flip]

Yes. So now I'm gonna play that opposite. I'm gonna play the opposite.

[Corey]

I have a question.

[Joe Budden]

You got it. There's never a word. There's no content universe where Jadakiss would misinterpret such an identifier.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Flip]

Let's be Oscar.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that I'm looking at you a little different and you look stupid. I have saying that. That Uncle Charles, his Uncle George, you know.

[Flip]

You know what else makes that clip?

[Joe Budden]

I look stupid every week. I don't mind.

[Flip]

You know what else make that clip work? The one who doesn't look stupid? Jadakiss responding the way he did. True.

[Corey]

I would also say that being on this podcast for a long time and working with you in the real hip hop space, there's plenty of people that got a lot to say about you liking the birdie music from the strip club and bigging up such and such. While not talking about such and such.

[Flip]

We should just say a lot of.

[Corey]

People look down on your MC career because of how you have podcasted. And maybe that's unfair. It probably is unfair. That's true.

[Joe Budden]

But yeah, I would say that that's unfair.

[Corey]

I think it's unfair to say that about Patrick.

[Joe Budden]

I'm Fanny Joe, not me.

[Ish]

Okay. All right, Mr.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Critic, I had a whole different take, which is just that I think podcasting is hard. I think when you emcee and you're a star, you can curate your image real easy. You control when people see you, how people see you. You tell a story on a YouTube, it goes away. But when you gotta do this every day, bruh, and you gotta come up with stories and be interesting and funny.

[Flip]

And all these other engagement and people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See other sides of you. I think some individuals, people just seen other sides of them that we might have not know. Like, maybe he's a lyric upper from way back. We just. We just would never know. Maybe I don't. I don't know. But I think a lot of it is just you're seeing the cracks because this job is hard and being interesting every day is hard. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Corey]

Double entitled, triple entitled, baby.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I think Joe's just shout to Fat Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like the show. I love the show.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, cool.

[Flip]

Even though. Even though y' all stole my flag throwing I saw that.

[Corey]

Yeah, they did do that.

[Flip]

They did do that. Oh, they got the flag on the play. Yeah, they throw the flags. That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Not funny if you believe that you're being spied on. But I'll save that for my truth. Podcast coming soon. Do y' all care that Jay Z is following the Joe Button podcast fan clips page?

[Corey]

Well, I think you should follow the official page. Quite frankly.

[Flip]

I. I know because I've seen this happen before. Hobby. Yeah. By the time you look, he's not following no more. He be following. Liking on accident. I'm scrolling.

[Joe Budden]

I checked this morning. He's still following.

[Corey]

I checked the other page that he was following. It was like a very right wing inappropriate joke. There was a people without, you know, with physical disabilities that the people are making fun of. So Hope is a wild boy. If these are the two pages that he actually wanted to follow intentionally.

[Flip]

Like I said, I didn't take too much into it because I've seen it before. Where. Oh ho. Like this or whole followed this and.

[Joe Budden]

Then I don't think I don't take much into it either, but it's funny. Noted. HOV does that to kind of just let people know that he sees things here and there. It's a cool to do that. Shout out to him. What I will say if he's listening is, oh, that that page hates me.

[Corey]

If you think maybe that's why he follow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's all adding up now, right?

[Joe Budden]

Follow.

[Flip]

God.

[Joe Budden]

If you think that that page is like in support of something we're doing up here. It's it. It's not like. Not at all. But do what you want. Follow you want.

[Ish]

Yeah, just text. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, he'll text you. He won't text me anyway.

[Flip]

What else?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, how often do we shower?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was asking how often y' all shower.

[Joe Budden]

Pod days, for sure.

[Flip]

Daily. Yes, daily.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry. Oh, and that I'm in between y' all and Joe. The reason I asked that question. The reason I asked that question is.

[Joe Budden]

Because even if you don't leave the house.

[Corey]

Yes. The one who cleaned my house.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you don't leave the house for four days, you're showering every day.

[Flip]

Well, there's never a day I don't leave the house for four days or until time.

[Joe Budden]

But in the event that there was a time, honestly, where you didn't leave the house for four days, you would shower. Each of the four days for sure.

[Corey]

Makes me feel like I did something correct.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Flip]

At least three.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I would not.

[Flip]

At least three.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to lie to y'.

[Corey]

All. No, it might be a quick shower.

[Flip]

No. At least 1,000%. Before I'm getting into bed, I'm taking a shower. Your starts sticking to you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, unless I have sex.

[Joe Budden]

Speak for yourself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not showering my.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get.

[Flip]

Oh, I'm about to say. Wait, what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, not in life. I mean, four days.

[Joe Budden]

If you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you put me in a house before, like during the pandemic, there was times where I was in the house by myself for a week. You think? I took seven showers.

[Joe Budden]

During the pand. Now, if we talk about the pandemic, my numbers change because I was with the earthy.

[Flip]

I was.

[Joe Budden]

I was in my earthy bag. I wanted to embrace. Oh, no. Manicures, pedicures, and barbers. Oh, the wild man deodorant.

[Ish]

None of that.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry. Hey, I'm telling the truth. I was not showering every day during the pandemic. I showered.

[Corey]

I think I still was.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Ish]

You don't want to get co. We're washing mail.

[Corey]

I'm going to wash my body, too.

[Joe Budden]

White. White gets dirtier faster than.

[Corey]

That's true. That's true.

[Flip]

I definitely was.

[Joe Budden]

Why they don't get a white car?

[Ish]

I shot with almost every day.

[Flip]

I showered every day during the pandemic.

[Corey]

Black cars also get really disgusting, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. Wait, what did you say about black cars? It's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The reason I asked the question is because. Is it Zazzy Zazzie Beats who we know from Atlanta. I love her from Atlanta.

[Joe Budden]

I love her from.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She made a comment a while back that has been resurfacing. And so the conversation's been popping up online the last day or two where she said that she basically doesn't buy into the American concept. Concept of.

[Joe Budden]

Of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Of showering. She said, I actually think Americans shower too much.

[Corey]

She's from somewhere else, I think, too. She's German. German or something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She said, I like a cat wash. Also known as a ho bath. I like a cat wash. I do my face, my armpits, and my bitch used to do after that score intimate.

[Joe Budden]

Once he went to the trunk, the little bag of the trunk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Put his in the sink.

[Joe Budden]

Once he went to the trunk, you got a bag. That nigga put his balls in that little tiny ass. Ass sink.

[Ish]

Use hand soap every spring on a little.

[Joe Budden]

Hell yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She said she likes to have a little scent. And not from perfuming shop.

[Joe Budden]

That's why he would End so much, so much sooner than me.

[Flip]

She need to have a little. Now it's ended before him. He said he leave and I still.

[Joe Budden]

Be in the room. He had. He had to run.

[Ish]

Which one is it?

[Joe Budden]

I was still going to work while that was popping the trunk.

[Ish]

Stay over.

[Flip]

No, this stay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This was the stay.

[Joe Budden]

Which one is it? Anyway, go ahead.

[Corey]

What Y. I support that about her.

[Flip]

Yeah, I support her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So y' all okay with a woman who says I, you know, I just do quick hob every once in a while. Maybe shower once, twice a week.

[Corey]

Let's. Can we differentiate between okay with and prefer?

[Ish]

Unless she drinks chlorophyll.

[Corey]

Cuz I've definitely some earthy hoes in my lifetime.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah.

[Ish]

I mean everybody.

[Corey]

Yeah, I think it's fine.

[Ish]

Listen, listen, man, you got to drink chlorophyll. Chlorophyll eliminates body odor.

[Flip]

So pineapple.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait.

[Flip]

Is definitely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just never heard. I was gonna ask you more about it. I don't know about it.

[Ish]

Chlorophyll is a liquid.

[Joe Budden]

It's a.

[Ish]

It's a liquid that comes in a bottle and put it in the morning. Yeah.

[Flip]

And eliminates body odor.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't shower.

[Corey]

It helps some.

[Ish]

Even when you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Ish]

You could wake up and not brush your teeth and your breath won't stink. If you took chlorophyll for a month. A lot of.

[Flip]

A lot of. Oh, he not lying. But I want.

[Corey]

I prefer to do the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Explain a lot of the vegan people. Seriously.

[Corey]

I'm aware of some of these things that people say. Oh, just try some lemon juice under your armpits. Like. No, you smell like body odor and lemons now.

[Flip]

They don't. No, no, you don't use nothing. Because they say that once you eat in the proper shit. I understand that your body's way of pushing the toxins out. You don't have.

[Corey]

I've been friends with a lot of hippies for a very long time and I understand all of these theories. The thing is, is they just smell like fruits and armpits. Now, like, I'm glad that you're healthy and I'm glad that like the garlic thing is working out for you. You smell like onions and garlic and lemons and body odor.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ish]

That's old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't care if they shower or not. I just don't want them. I just want to be able to smell it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Corey]

You guys ever dealt with someone with some armpit hair?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, hair.

[Corey]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, yes.

[Flip]

Have you ever.

[Corey]

What slept With a woman with armpits.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was. It was rough.

[Flip]

It was an earthy joint.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I dated one who.

[Corey]

I have no problem with that.

[Flip]

I wasn't trying to fuck her armpits.

[Ish]

I didn't care.

[Corey]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I dated one who just had a terrible. She had a really rough smell. And it was. It was rough. And, like, we hooked up one time and it smelled really bad. But she was a dancer, so she was working. No, not that kind of dancer.

[Flip]

I was about to say. Wait, hold up.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, like.

[Flip]

Like, what club was she. You know, he'd be down there in Philly. That was the cult dancer.

[Corey]

Professional dancer, dancing, a black star.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I was like, this don't smell right. You know?

[Ish]

And then the next.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then. But she was coming. She was coming, you know? So the next time she came over, I was like, well, you know, why don't we jump in the beat, huh?

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Ish]

He's still singing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Fuck Gonna let shit go. Freaking out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was the first time.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know you still beat. Yes.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause we. We came home together and turned your.

[Ish]

Head the other way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then the next time. Time. This is like 20 years ago. And then the next time, nobody has to time. I have to establish the time frames. Yeah, absolutely.

[Flip]

I know. I know. I don't play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then the next time, it didn't smell great, but I was like, maybe she just coming from dance rehearsal when she's not showering.

[Flip]

So then we beat the second time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So then the third, Boy Miz don't care.

[Flip]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Corey]

I don't think that there was much showering happening at the pyramid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, we did that for the shower at the pyramid. And then the third time, I said, well, let's let me meet before you go to. To. To rehearsal. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

Guess what? Still smell like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, be visual, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And after that, I just realized that this. Whatever they're arranging, whatever they were doing wasn't for me. I couldn't take it anymore. I did it each time, but I couldn't do it again. I couldn't do it fourth time.

[Joe Budden]

That's when. That's when. That's when as a single man, you had to up your. Hey, I have these things on deck. Deck ready for her in the bathroom. She comes through my crib Keep a.

[Corey]

Bottle Fireball handy Keep a.

[Joe Budden]

Keep a Gillette insulting Keep a bottle.

[Corey]

Of Jager meister on deck yo, how do.

[Flip]

How do you. How do you Approach that conversation, they lying.

[Ish]

You stink.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you don't yo you to anybody.

[Corey]

Out there, give them some fireball if they're drinkers. Some fireball or some something that you know, some gager mice or something that smells very strong.

[Joe Budden]

Long. If you've been in the game for long enough and you playing, playing that game, whatever they need. They going to say upon arrival if she need to shower. When she come in comfortable, she going to ask hey, can I hit the shower first? She going to say, do you have whatever it is if you a that's playing the game and trying to be good at it. At some point you wanted to have all the she may need.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

As a single man, his point is.

[Flip]

Most women that I know before, before they lay down, they gonna ask to go to the bathroom anyway. We not talking about them. We talking about the other them. So to Joe's point, Joe saying we.

[Joe Budden]

Talking about stinkum foot.

[Flip]

So we talking about. So Sasquatch is not going in the bathroom.

[Ish]

She don't care if you got polo towers.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, she is. Cuz some of them know they stink.

[Ish]

I would tell you go to the is you didn't tell a girl, go to the doctor, go check.

[Flip]

That's my point I'm making with him.

[Ish]

You got. I told a girl go to the doctor to check before long long time. When I was younger.

[Flip]

Yeah, you might be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to tell him he's in middle school.

[Flip]

And that's why Angela say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S not.

[Ish]

That's not wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Angela. Some you. You know what? You made the point. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You guys, you guys, you guys want.

[Ish]

To tippy toe around, you have to be I. If I smell bad, I want somebody to tell me I smell bad.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You told me to go to the doctor though.

[Ish]

Because after a couple of times I'm not doing it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She smells some in medical attention leaving.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. But you be wearing the shirts and tops that don't leave room for perspiration too though.

[Ish]

You just got started wearing big shirts. I chill. I don't want to do this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How did she respond when you told her she needed to see a doctor?

[Ish]

Said you were correct, fam.

[Flip]

One of my homegirls told me she had BV and it took her three years to get rid of it.

[Ish]

Oh yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's bv? I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

She had BV plus bacterial.

[Flip]

And one of my. And this was my home girl. She told me like dog and she said yo the crazy part.

[Corey]

Are we talking about funky vaginas now?

[Flip]

Yes, I want to talk about vagina she told me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did not care.

[Joe Budden]

Right through that bb.

[Flip]

Yo. She told me.

[Joe Budden]

And a little bit of yeast. All. All you going get that little mayonnaise.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't touch me.

[Flip]

You wear, man.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Ish]

You was right.

[Joe Budden]

You was right. These is he. Now all you going to get is a little fetuccini on your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She.

[Joe Budden]

She a creamer. She a creamer.

[Ish]

That might be aphrodisiac. You might try to get your. Get your off quicker.

[Joe Budden]

Through some Easter Jamar.

[Ish]

Look at this green.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

We may be the end result.

[Ish]

I'm killing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Holy.

[Corey]

Y' all are absolute monsters.

[Ish]

That's disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

When you ever had that little. Little light glaze Miracle Whip on your. From the yeast. And then went to go have an uncomfortable conversation. Conversation. All you did was go in the.

[Flip]

Bathroom had no conversation after that.

[Ish]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

And listen, I just walked by like. I mean, look, look, look.

[Ish]

I just got. I just got on my period.

[Joe Budden]

That's when they come with explanation. I just got. Oh, I was at Harvard last night. I 10 guys. Oh, my God. All right, man. It's cool. I understand. Holy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I need to go home. Native land.

[Joe Budden]

Help.

[Flip]

Points were made.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's true. Points were made. Angela, Rye and Tiff.

[Corey]

You think they're girls? The pyramids.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They were the worst. Oh, they had everything. But that was, you know, they had what?

[Flip]

Everything offered no elaborate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a cult. Yeah. Everybody had sex with everybody. And the leader had all had a bunch of diseases. So all the girls in there, after a while, I realized had a lot.

[Ish]

Of stuff they didn't believe in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Condoms?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He has 100, what, 82 kids. Listen.

[Joe Budden]

And sometimes she didn't know she had.

[Flip]

Yeast before I got in there.

[Joe Budden]

I had to be the bearer of bad news. I had to be like, right on out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He couldn't do it.

[Joe Budden]

Did you smell that little.

[Ish]

Did you smell that?

[Joe Budden]

Did you smell that?

[Flip]

No. Everybody go deep in the oven.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Word. For real. Real there no issue.

[Ish]

You mean it's trying to talk them through it. You know, sometimes in life.

[Flip]

Y. You crazy.

[Ish]

These things happen.

[Flip]

No, I don't.

[Ish]

No, you tell them. Get your ass and go doing this.

[Corey]

Go to the doctor.

[Ish]

Call me.

[Flip]

Ch.

[Ish]

Go to the doctor.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Ish]

It's a city md. Well, that's new. What was back in the day. That's how you get caught up. City of D is new.

[Flip]

It just came out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't say that, though.

[Joe Budden]

Real quick question. Has nothing to do with anything else in here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank God.

[Joe Budden]

Has anyone ever put their chain on y'? All For a few minutes, huh?

[Ish]

Why nobody put their chain on me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I look like everybody put their chain on me.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't.

[Ish]

Yeah, he tried to tell me where his chain.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You up.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. I didn't say nothing.

[Ish]

All right, watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Just ask.

[Ish]

Ain't never put no chain on me.

[Joe Budden]

Berg put his chain on Flip a couple minutes.

[Ish]

Watch your mouth. I didn't wear this chain.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you held it. He. He let you hold it to see the weight.

[Flip]

Which one, the hit or the maker?

[Ish]

Berg said, yo, put this chain on. I'm like, I'm not putting.

[Joe Budden]

And he took it off his neck and was trying to put it on your. Which inspired me to ask y'.

[Ish]

All, yo, Joe, he'll do that. You know how to put that chain on.

[Joe Budden]

I know, but I wanted to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Has anyone ever put what you said?

[Flip]

It's a nice weight, Daddy.

[Ish]

Hey, that's how it's heavy. No, I didn't say that. No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Your gay boys ain't bad. You get a bbl. I'm telling you.

[Flip]

Trainer already trying to give him a fat ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, oh, yeah, true. He was saying that.

[Ish]

He tried to get his Kanye on.

[Flip]

He said, you going have his sitting by the.

[Ish]

When I was younger, though. Like, I would wear web chain when I was younger.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, you in the gym? Wait, hold up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we can't just let that be.

[Joe Budden]

Cause Ice brought it up.

[Corey]

Should do a little hip thrust.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's looking good. Ish is in the gym.

[Joe Budden]

Ish does look good. He looks better. He is in the gym. He told me the other week that he's in the gym. He has a trainer. I'm proud of him. So I'm not. I don't have drinks for this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Health is wealth.

[Joe Budden]

Health as well, baby. I'm not gonna clown my brother out the gym, but I'm gonna clown him while he's in there. So he said. Said, well, I heard. I wasn't there for this, but. What did he say that the training. What happened?

[Flip]

He said the trainer is trying to give him a fat ass. He was like, say anything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How's he. How's he offering to do this?

[Flip]

They be making up. What you say?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was there. I wasn't gonna say nothing, cuz I didn't know. You want to talk about it? But what, What, What?

[Flip]

Nobody said anything of the sort.

[Joe Budden]

Just tell us.

[Flip]

I was at the kitchen. I said, my legs is hurting because the trainer been kicking my ass. So I'm like, yo, she be having me do all these squats Female trainer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's a woman.

[Flip]

She be having me.

[Joe Budden]

Why are we surprised?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I can't believe you got that off.

[Joe Budden]

Y. You is ju.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Light ass is back.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Ish]

You is a bunch of girl. Of course he got it, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I should have knew y you the whole time. He somebody train.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't make. Makes sense.

[Flip]

What's up?

[Ish]

Background.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Where's she from?

[Flip]

She black, you ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Switch it up, switch it up.

[Flip]

Yo, move. Yo, get away from me, man.

[Joe Budden]

Ish came home.

[Flip]

No, she be doing, like, having me doing all these lunges and all these squats and shit. So I'm like, Cory, like, oh, she be making you do. I'm like, hell, yeah. That shit had you not being able to walk two days later. And I was like, yo, fam, you know I ain't no baddie, right? Like, I ain't trying to get no fat ass. And she started laughing.

[Joe Budden]

Tough to walk.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously.

[Flip]

No. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Today laughing.

[Ish]

Hey, listen, I start working out with Shannon Briggs next week for three months. So I'm preparing myself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Flip]

You ain't going to still be able to fight.

[Ish]

No, not he ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, let's get real. Can we stop with the hyper masculinity?

[Joe Budden]

He kept walking when homie in Brooklyn was taping him. Oh, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Who kept walking?

[Ish]

I stood right there. See, I don't want to talk about. I stood right there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You lying to the police.

[Ish]

I had too many people in there.

[Joe Budden]

You went. You went to your car to pump fake like you was getting. I went to my.

[Ish]

I went to my car to put my phones in my. In the car because last time on the parkway, I was holding my phones in her hand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said, y.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Ish]

Give me a second.

[Joe Budden]

But going to the car could be. Could be viewed as something.

[Ish]

Nothing happened.

[Joe Budden]

So you can't fight with your phones.

[Ish]

Nothing happened. No, I'm not fighting with my phones.

[Joe Budden]

No, I understand.

[Ish]

I watch still them phones. I watch losing.

[Flip]

When it's on, it's on my n.

[Ish]

I got preferences when I want to get it on.

[Joe Budden]

No, I understand.

[Ish]

Give me a second. Body know was that had too many people with me. It was not that they like, you was safe.

[Joe Budden]

Who Him, Y'. All.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, you punk ass. Hold up. I'll be right back.

[Joe Budden]

Let me go put my. Went to his car like punk fake. And to get. I mean, put his phones up your put his phones up.

[Ish]

And on top of that, I saw shot the I. All that head. I'mma fix you.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, tape it, please.

[Ish]

No, he taping it. No, please.

[Flip]

Pretty please.

[Joe Budden]

About to serve. Flip up. Let him do that.

[Flip]

1, 2, 3.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't let.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

1, 2, 3 slip.

[Joe Budden]

It's going be tough, man.

[Flip]

I'mma fast out watching this. That's hilarious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you ever trained before?

[Ish]

I have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, cool, cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, back to the content that we watch when we away from here. Sure. I. I have been watching the street fights. Well, not. It's not street. The organized street fights where put the headgear and the gloves on. It's a ref and a. I'm telling you. Not that y' all too inspired this idea for me, but we could. We could do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We do what?

[Joe Budden]

Get the headgear, get the gloves, sign paperwork and have like a. Or organized fight in the park after the basketball game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How this going to look?

[Flip]

Hey, yo, what's wrong with your man?

[Joe Budden]

That's bad. You know how much money we'll make?

[Flip]

You know how much money you would make?

[Joe Budden]

I would pay y' all stupid.

[Ish]

But you ain't going to pay us what we.

[Joe Budden]

What we want. Well, what do you want?

[Ish]

I'm not doing it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You have to pay us a lot worth a lot.

[Flip]

Yo, head gear.

[Joe Budden]

I got to pay y' all to defend yourselves.

[Ish]

No, we don't need it from somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You'Re paying to beat us.

[Flip]

You have to pay us to create content for you to sell. No, you have to pay us to create content that you are going to put out to 8 million people and generate income from.

[Joe Budden]

How much do I got to pay to have. Let me finish talking first. Be open minded.

[Ish]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

Let me finish talking.

[Flip]

Door shut my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a baddie. The baddies are closed.

[Joe Budden]

How much would I have to pay for us? Go put the gear on. Pull the record. And me not put you down one.

[Flip]

You'Re not going to put.

[Joe Budden]

Because if I'm paying a lot, then I want to control the album.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to take the dog.

[Ish]

You got to take the dog.

[Flip]

The dog.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta. You gotta fall, Joe, in our contract, you gotta go down quite times quick too. Yeah, for real.

[Flip]

The last.

[Joe Budden]

I'll pay you your worth for it. I'll pay you more than Mandy.

[Flip]

The last time I fell on. The last time I fell for your content. I got a limp and I ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Get a D. Oh, lying again too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

That's not a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And the limp off.

[Joe Budden]

But that's not a fact. Oh, and he gonna limp off. Look, that's not a fact. That's not a fact. He L lying.

[Ish]

I don't gotta look.

[Joe Budden]

I. No, you do. Gotta limp. You pause. I want to pay to put you down. You got. You gotta fall. And you could pick the park. Name one of Essex County Park. That would be such a great idea. Or some of y' all pods out there talking. We could do some type of cross. CrossFit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's more fun. That sound like fun?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Let's pick a pod to fight. Oh, whatever, man. I'm crazy. My algorithm be at me bugging out anyway. What else is important or unimportant?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wasn't that business you wanted to fix?

[Flip]

Yeah. You wanted to fix the company.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, in our new segment. In our new segment. Help fix that. Fix that company. Hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey. I see it.

[Joe Budden]

Chase.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you sit here now? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, that is against the law. It is.

[Ish]

It's not.

[Flip]

It's.

[Ish]

No, it's against the law to go through somebody's phone.

[Flip]

That's not.

[Joe Budden]

You can't just look at the people's content in their phone.

[Ish]

Get a screen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But get a screen popped up with dollar sign.

[Ish]

Get a privacy screen.

[Joe Budden]

I used to have that till I learned my girl got wrong about that. My girl could see through whatever screen.

[Flip]

Okay, about that black chick.

[Joe Budden]

Really can't see my girl look right. Texting Deborah again, huh? I was like, God damn it. That's why you guys got to go to bathroom for long periods of time. Got to take a. And text Deborah. I'm joking, by the way. Yes. Here, I got you. I got you. Two seconds. We are going to fix GoPro. GoPro.

[Ish]

Can you tell us why?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Ice. Yo, I saw him. Me, I. I don't need. I didn't need help.

[Flip]

Come on. Let see what's.

[Joe Budden]

What's going on.

[Ish]

You ain't going to sit me down next time, take a day. Oh, no, I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

GoPro was worth $11 billion. Then they lost 98% of their value.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. GoPro wasn't just a camera company. It was a movement. Surfers, skydivers, snowboarders. They all had one thing in common. A GoPro strapped somewhere on their body. The founder, Nick Woodman, just wanted to film his surf trips. But no camera could survive the waves. So he built one himself and accidentally built a culture with a $200,000 loan from his mom. GoPro was born small, tough, waterproof cameras, perfect for the YouTube era. Every athlete became a filmmaker. The marketing genius. No glossy ads, just real footage from real people doing crazy things. GoPro didn't just sell cameras. They sold Adrenaline. By 2014, GoPro went public. This is normally where the problems arise.

[Corey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Valuation $11 billion stock hit $98 per share. Wall street called it the next media empire. That's when the cracks began. Woodman believed GoPro wasn't just a camera company. He thought it could be the YouTube of action sports. But he forgot one thing. You can't sell a dream without a plan. They burnt millions on a failed media division. No strategy, no infrastructure, no audience retention. The media empire never launched. Then came the Karma Drone, a rushed product meant to rival DJ1. I'm sorry, it literally crashed midair. GoPro had to recall every single unit. Millions lost, reputation shattered. There it goes.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's it right there.

[Joe Budden]

Meanwhile, smartphones got better.

[Flip]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

IPhones started doing what GoPros did, only easier.

[Flip]

Oh, I.

[Joe Budden]

Consumers stopped asking for GoPros. They already had cameras. Cameras in their pockets. Instead of pivoting, GoPro panicked. More models, more accessories. But innovation slowed and customers stopped caring. Revenue tanked. Layoffs followed from 11 billion in 2014 to under $1 billion within a few years. That is a 98% collapse. The founders 285 million dollar paycheck became a PR nightmare. The hero who sold Adventure was now fighting for survival. GoPro forgot its purpose. It wasn't about gadgets. It was about freedom. And once the story died, so did the brand. Damn distinguished cast. I asked you today, if you were charged with how to fix GoPro, could you come up with something and what would you do?

[Corey]

I don't know why they wouldn't do wearables.

[Flip]

I would.

[Joe Budden]

Would do what? Hold on.

[Corey]

Wearable glasses, necklaces. Wearables, yeah, they're already popular, but the ones that exist currently, at least that I see, are all tied to Meta or some other company that I don't want to be tied to. I just want glasses that look good, that take pictures or video.

[Joe Budden]

That's a great idea.

[Flip]

I would go app based and I would go to look to create a app or service based on housing thing. You can already record you. Like I said, like they said, the phones, iPhones, all that can already do what GoPro does. So now we'll create a community that lives in an app.

[Joe Budden]

Subscription based app that could like Peloton almost.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, agreed.

[Corey]

In that app, I'll piggyback off that, set up some sort of licensing thing where people can now use these things as stock footage on other platforms for a fee.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, another great idea.

[Flip]

Yeah, I think that's. I didn't even know wearables existed. And I had a GoPro. And one of the hard things with a GoPro was that should fall. You would have to hold it like you might be coming down a water slide doing 30 miles an hour. You drop your shit off the side. It wasn't as user friendly. Maybe some of the bike niggas and shit like that. It wasn't as user friendly as people thought. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've lost them shits. They fall, all that type of shit. I think that the wearable shit is fly. I didn't even know they had that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And then I think they should have merged. I think they should emerge at the height with YouTube and one of them other people as a storage for the content and allow people to download their content there. Almost like an Instagram. Instagram was just pictures.

[Joe Budden]

Great idea.

[Flip]

So if you could take your GoPro shit and put it in one platform so everybody could see your. Your vacation, your adventure and you jumping off the yacht and all that, I think it would have been a good idea.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all nailed it.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all said everything I was thinking. Yeah.

[Ish]

And I think that it's just.

[Joe Budden]

And to the merger point, right? I'm sorry, flip to the merger point point. Like, I would align with people and give a GoPro angle to F1 or 2. I would want to put a GoPro on. On quarterbacks helmets. This was years ago. But just.

[Ish]

And just, just master the durability.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

So it won't, you know, because sometimes GoPro up and even just master it. Because one thing the iPhones can't do is they can't stay underwater for long. Right.

[Flip]

Free. But they, but they.

[Ish]

They make the case for it.

[Flip]

That's what I'm saying. Everything that you could do, you can do on the phone.

[Ish]

But still, like, if we talk about the football helmets and stuff like that. Like, like Joe said they should have football. Like, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

GoPro should have built a camera to go on the football.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Corey]

Or that. But at least the quarterback said like, yeah, that should exist anyway. Someone should do that.

[Flip]

And with innovation, GoPro should have been number one in the drone space.

[Ish]

Space number one.

[Flip]

They should have been early, early, early in the drone space. Because if they would have got the drones. Drones first. First is we call Vaseline. Vaseline. Because they was first.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Flip]

It's petroleum jelly. So if they would have been in the drone space first and got that under their belt, then every vacation person in the world, every realtor in the world, because now Realtors is Taking a drone, putting it and getting the top view of the houses and all of that shit. They would have been number one in that space.

[Joe Budden]

They should have had another department to operate as an amp. If you know streaming is going somewhere, you should have identified the young popping streamers that are only using GoPro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They're not using anything else to stream. You're getting these exclusive angles. They just needed to pair, much like Lego again, whose success story I'm just in awe of. Just make the right partnerships.

[Flip]

Partnerships matter.

[Joe Budden]

The right partnerships and innovation is key.

[Flip]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

You got to know that the bigger ship is coming to bite exactly what you're doing and that there might not be space for you in the future years. Act now. Act now. You get these executives that's comfortable in the suite receiving whatever money they receiving.

[Flip]

No, you still gotta be proactive to come full circle. How we were talking about the other pot that we was talking about. I don't want to keep beating their horse, but sometimes you got to get with a Kasa not. And a lot of times these older white executives are looking at Costa. Not like this young boy don't know what the he talking about. I made xyz. Amount of amount of money. You got to pair with some of these young people. That could give you ideas. You could pair with Flip. That could give you a different perspective because Flip is outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? And sometimes we just diss them niggas and disrespect them.

[Joe Budden]

They should have stepped to Kasa, not the way that Under Armour stepped to Steph Curry.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Corey]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or Brandon.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Under Armour went to Brandon Jennings before even Steph Curry. Curry and shot that. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Like I'm saying Steph, because he could have got a bag from anywhere.

[Flip]

Steph took the brand to another level.

[Joe Budden]

But they tried, and he got the Lifetime. Lifetime deal.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That sounds crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I would have stepped in that. Or. Or maybe not. Kaiser Net. That check is a lot, probably. But I'd have stepped to Playboy, Max, any of them, and been like, use this when you're not streaming early.

[Flip]

Early.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Identify the partnerships to make sense for your company.

[Flip]

Indeed.

[Joe Budden]

And lean into it. Don't be scared. Here. Good job. Good job, fellas. I like the segment.

[Corey]

I do, too.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Joe Budden]

I do.

[Ish]

Great.

[Flip]

What else?

[Joe Budden]

We didn't touch music at all.

[Corey]

It wasn't much this week. Davies dropped Karma 4, which I got about halfway through. It's a long album, so I don't have too much in depth on it yet.

[Flip]

Yeah, same.

[Ish]

It's.

[Flip]

It's 10:17. So the Gucci man fan knows what that date means. Yes. He dropped another album called Episode. It's a double disc. I did not get a chance to listen to it yet. I absolutely will. Speaking of him, I did see him on Big Bank.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Dope.

[Flip]

And they were asking him about the verses and.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And Gucci was saying how he got caught up in the moment. Like, he didn't. He didn't go into that, planning to say all of that that he said. And he was like. He had to give a shout out to Jeezy. And he respected the way he responded to it because he was like, I just thinking about that moment. He got turned up again. And he's like, had. Jeezy would have went right after that and played Stay Strapped. He said this whole thing was over. He said, I had people with me. They had it on him. We was ready to go. But the approach that he took, it was like some grown man. Some grown man. I'm getting mad. And he was like. He was actually able to lower the.

[Joe Budden]

Tension in the war. And he.

[Flip]

He joked about. He was kind of like, he out matured me because Gucci was like, I'm mature now. So he was like. He out matured me. Take lessons from Gucci.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I always try to do.

[Flip]

But, yeah, it was just. Speaking of the album, it was just. It came up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But, yeah, I like that. Sorry. I like that remix, too. Chris Brown and Usher.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And Bryson Tiller.

[Flip]

Yep.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You put me on to that. That. That joint is fire.

[Joe Budden]

Fire.

[Flip]

I hated the Intro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. First 10 seconds, we could do it out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

But once. Once we get to it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What us is killing it? Yeah, it depends.

[Ish]

It depends.

[Flip]

Remix is out. No disrespect to Bad Bunny.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, boy. Go ahead.

[Flip]

Go ahead. They doing this boy a disservice not having him doing the Super Bowl. He did the super bowl already.

[Joe Budden]

Who?

[Flip]

I'm just his.

[Corey]

Oh, Chris Brown.

[Flip]

When I say that, it's just like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hated this part.

[Joe Budden]

R R A Y M O N D Baby, tell me what you want.

[Flip]

To do with me N S C H R I S B R O.

[Joe Budden]

Got a call from Chris saying that he want to do another remix. He done already took my hit and made another hit. Ain't that a. But I said, okay, long as I can do it my way Let me take you down I called this from the rip, by the way.

[Ish]

Fire.

[Flip]

Absolute fire.

[Joe Budden]

Go, Usher. Go, Usher. The remix. I was waiting for the. The remix is here. Sounds great. I'm probably still going to play the original.

[Flip]

I play. I like. I play the remix still, though. I like them both.

[Joe Budden]

I like them both. Yeah, I like them both.

[Flip]

Not mad at it at all.

[Joe Budden]

Not mad at it. The original. Just a little. Little different for me.

[Flip]

We got a Summer Walker date.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I've been. Had a date, but.

[Flip]

Well, we got a Summer Walker date.

[Joe Budden]

Ass. Y' all think I wasn't on justice ass at that date for almost a year.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the date?

[Flip]

November 14th.

[Ish]

Oh, it's coming up.

[Flip]

Put it in. Finally over it. Ending the trilogy.

[Joe Budden]

Classic. Yeah, Classic before it drops. Yup, Classic before it's out already. I cannot wait. I cannot wait. Let me give y' all a little bit of this, man. A little bit of this time. Tycoon is Ty$, this is Ty$, Kodak Black and YG. This record is called Smile, Body, Pretty Face. A lot of good strip club records on this project.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

About it then.

[Flip]

This one sounds so crazy on me. We making the same mistakes, Bab.

[Joe Budden]

We both taking turns to say sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You love me, I love your fun.

[Joe Budden]

Now I wish that somebody else would have came in singing, but I'm not so mad.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not mad.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not so mad.

[Flip]

I'm not mad. I forget sometimes what to say.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a minute.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Flip]

Your smile, your body.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You baby talking face.

[Joe Budden]

Cup. 2.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Corey]

Take your time.

[Joe Budden]

Take your time.

[Ish]

Take your time.

[Flip]

Sit your old ass down.

[Ish]

That's what you did, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's bound.

[Joe Budden]

Up. I'm old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm old.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh, here, go. Wait a minute. Hey, I like a few of the joints on here, man. I need another. Yeah, there's a bunch of these on here. Yeah, there's a bunch of these on here. I like. Let's see this. 15 songs, 41 minutes into music, I probably out. I like probably six or seven of these, but I. If I remember them, if I remember them, I'll go back to them. Like, I like these. It's an easy listen. I don't think any one of them is so memorable. Got it. The Tory record is Fire. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Yeah, the Tory record is Fire. Some heat on it. It is.

[Flip]

Tory fans, you'll be happy to know he put the whole the New Toronto series on streaming. Finally. People, you know he's been dropping. People don't know Tory's been dropping two tracks a week, like from the Vault from other shit for about two years now. I think he's up to 76 tracks on the lost tape, maybe another 20 on the Twitch tape, and maybe another 14 on. He's been dropping multiple projects in, like, every week.

[Joe Budden]

I want to say Tame Impala dropped, too. I didn't get a chance to listen yet. Yet. But y' all know I will go and listen to Tame and Pollen Just didn't get to it yet. Also in music, Kisha is accusing Tyla of stealing her record called Chanel.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

She even tweets that. She even tweets that she played her record for Tyler. Oh.

[Flip]

On tour.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I'm gonna play snippets of both of these records. You guys tell me what you think.

[Flip]

Let me hear Karisha first. Creative.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have a good feel for the record? Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Want to steal that?

[Corey]

Actually, can you break down the lyrics for us?

[Flip]

All right, so what part did she steal from Karisha?

[Ish]

B.

[Joe Budden]

The drum pattern?

[Corey]

No.

[Ish]

Take me to Chanel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, the word Chanel.

[Flip]

She said put me. Oh, she said the word Chanel. I got it.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is why Russian have a microphone.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Internet.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

People shouldn't even have Internet access.

[Flip]

The wrong podcast for that sentiment.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, go home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going home.

[Joe Budden]

This. Do y' all think that that is biting? Do you think it's. No.

[Ish]

Just because you use the word Chanel.

[Corey]

Chanel's very popular. Girls like Chanel turns out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Girls do want people to take them there. Yeah.

[Flip]

And put them in it.

[Corey]

And put them in it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Poor Kisha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think she believes that?

[Joe Budden]

Well, she said it. She tweeted it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, is this, like, publicity, or is this, like. I actually. Because I. Because she might have played the song.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if she believed that.

[Flip]

I think she believed it. Especially if she played the song for. I played your record, and you got a song called Chanel, and it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Flip]

She might even look at it as, like, you. You. And this inspired your song.

[Joe Budden]

The songs don't sound similar. So you didn't steal my song, but you stole my concept. If I played you my song and now you have a song that's saying the same thing. Unfortunately for Karisha, it's tough to prove.

[Flip]

That she not saying the same thing.

[Corey]

I also would be pretty. I'm going on a limb here, and I don't have the facts, but I'm pretty sure there's probably other songs about Chanel.

[Joe Budden]

Chanel.

[Flip]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corey]

Like, if it was Something Sue. If she found like some. One of these new brands or some and made a song about it, I would be like, yes, that she might have got that. But Chanel has been a mainstay for however long.

[Flip]

And that's why y' all gotta stop playing your music for people.

[Corey]

That part.

[Joe Budden]

That too. That too. Again, if you. If y' all started treating music like it was actually valuable, or we wouldn't just be running around playing your on every tour bus you could find.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anybody bite your music.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure that's part of the game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you never heard nothing be like, yo, they got me.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure I have. I'm far removed.

[Corey]

It's fine.

[Joe Budden]

It's fine. If. If you expect to have success in the game, then somebody probably stole from you before.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

If you dope enough, you'll go back to the lab and shouldn't just be relying on this one little slap that you wrote. Anyway, what else needs our attention? Anything else in music? Is there anything else in music? I don't have any.

[Corey]

We got a Ransom and Preem single, but I'll wait for the EP to. To go too much in depth. And we also got the Nas and Big L single shout out to Mass appeal. Again, I'll also wait for the album to you.

[Joe Budden]

All right, let's go. I gotta give him a little bit. Just a little bit. Little taste pause. What up, though?

[Corey]

Clean one, huh? That's odd.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right, all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop, stop.

[Corey]

We're not doing it.

[Ish]

If we're going to show him, pug it up, Parks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Ish]

You trying to get to the 100 million?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up.

[Ish]

You got to trying to get to the 100 million.

[Joe Budden]

Everything got to be clean for him. That's worse than Uncle George.

[Flip]

Sound better.

[Ish]

My style.

[Flip]

I got style, flavor, grace.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And.

[Joe Budden]

See you praying turn me up though. That's a nice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a nice.

[Joe Budden]

Playing ball at the Rucker these read off a script when they see me they stop the acting school shooter green coat 45 when I lock the class in drunk nights yeah I would battle the Remy with lots of passion lost award knowing it never was easy to block a captain lean back soldier you need crack, don't you won't let you quit here go a fix just relapse won't you? Just that fatigue rap jeans black green bay jersey matching a team hat you all need crack so I brought cream back no more Mr. Nice Guy we the owners of street fight rap it's hard to earn my daily operation is Bring the streets back Every day I go in the poop I load up and shoot when I step in the arena Always seen a moment in truth I've been a gangster from flipping BR to prison brawls and shank scars no need for thanks, y' all I'm from the bottom bread when are twist your top like they lock and dread Chestnut checkers your bishop get jumped by Rod Turn this off, please. Turn this off, please. Yeah, turn that off, please.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That shit is fire.

[Joe Budden]

You shouldn't still be this hard in 2025 pause like that. Shouldn't give me J Rue the Damager vibes, but it does ransom. You are so nice. You are so amazing. I said it before, I'll say it again. I love you. And I am honored, super honored to be a part of your earlier story. I am super proud of you. Keep killing these niggas, Preem, you already know.

[Corey]

And both the reinvention Pre and Ram Drops on Halloween and the Big L album I've had the privilege. Privilege to hear. And it's really good as well. Keeping the mass appeal streak alive.

[Joe Budden]

Got his lick back, yeah, yeah. Got his lick back.

[Corey]

Yeah, he did. He did. I don't look at it that way.

[Ish]

But I feel it. He did explain to me NS was.

[Joe Budden]

On the Ray album and people thought. Thought he was coming at. So he made it clear because Ray is his man. Yo, I didn't. I didn't use this opportunity to go with nobody. That's not. It's not what it is. And now he's on the L verse and he's saying some things and he has not clarified that he's not dissing the out of who we think he's dissing. That's what I'm saying.

[Corey]

Okay. Okay, got it.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think he's not?

[Corey]

No, he might be. He might be. I thought you were saying something else.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying he got. He got his look back on who he needed. Gets looked back.

[Corey]

Nas has been absolutely killing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah yeah. That verse on Mob Deep album.

[Corey]

All three of them, actually. Yeah, all three of them.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Corey]

Between the artistically, musically, he's killing it. And from the business and musically and from the business end outside of music, he's been on a terror. He's doing it in the name of hip hop. And I love was impressive, man.

[Joe Budden]

Round of applause in what he's doing, man.

[Corey]

Or it all facets. He just seems like he's in a amazing place.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he's in the bag.

[Corey]

Yeah, he's in the Bag like all cylinders.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Shout out to N. Shout out to Mass Appeal always. I can't wait to hear all of the projects that y' all have coming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It, man, that big album out in two weeks. Harlem's Fighters, Return of the King.

[Corey]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Let me just check. I think that's it for me in music. I don't have anything else that I need to hit. Let me see, let me see, let me see, let me see. Yeah. Now's not the time for Benzino's d'. Angelo, but if it was, when is it time?

[Corey]

It was never the time.

[Flip]

It wasn't.

[Corey]

Yeah, that was the problem.

[Joe Budden]

Benzino got some video where. Where he was naked on steroids, and he's saying that he was inspired by d'. Angelo. I'm not. I can't be mad at nobody saying they were inspired by d'. Angelo. He was very, very inspiring. Benzino just looks funny being inspired by d', Angelo, number one. Number two, I wanted to ask you guys, is there anybody that y' all absolutely do not want to honor you after you go. Is there anybody you do not that you wish you don't inspire when you go mad?

[Corey]

People, like, in terms of. I don't to want them mimicking anything.

[Joe Budden]

Anything.

[Corey]

Yeah, you can. You can, like, pay homage, tribute, whatever, and, you know, write up a nice thing. Write up a nice tweet, whatever exists in hopefully 50 years. But, like, copy.

[Flip]

Oh, that. I want nobody doing that copy me. Leave me alone.

[Corey]

Yeah, I'm cool on most of y' all is.

[Flip]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

I'm straight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As long as it's not whack, I'm good with it. There's no, like, person in my mind. But just don't say you were inspired by me and then put out some whack shit.

[Corey]

Yeah, that really is the gist of it all.

[Flip]

Like, I'm mad at myself now. Wait, I inspired this, right? I fucked up. I did something wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, my bad.

[Corey]

Let me go.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey]

Let me resurrect and fix this.

[Flip]

Worse. I should not have inspired this.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, go Benzino, man. Yeah, for sure. You can't help who you're inspired by.

[Corey]

This is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And in fairness, he made that video before d' Angelo passed for sure. I told everybody to know that he.

[Joe Budden]

Didn'T made that when d' Angelo pass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd have been having a whole different think he's wi. Got butt naked after the. After d' Angelo died. He made that video a long time ago. Shout out to my man Benzino.

[Corey]

Hey, rest in peace, d'. Angelo.

[Flip]

Rest in peace, d' Angelo again up.

[Corey]

Watching some old live videos. And man, do we care.

[Joe Budden]

Do we care about Young. Them canceling Young Boy second show in Atlanta.

[Flip]

I mean, I guess another smart man move.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why did they to a good reason.

[Flip]

So he did a show in Atlanta. He's supposed to have two back to back nights. He performed a record called I Hate Youngboy off his new album. And it's a diss song. It disses Durk Von. He mentions Gucci, Lil Baby 21, Savage Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

He also had Lil Toomey on stage or Timmy, whatever his name is.

[Flip]

Lil Tim. That's his people. So he's been with him. It's not like he just bought him out for this. I just want to clarify. But he did have him on stage.

[Joe Budden]

Him on stage during the performance of that record in State Farm arena in Atlanta. Yeah, is a thing.

[Flip]

But those who don't know Lil Tim is the person who killed King Von, you know, he's from Chicago. That happened in Atlanta, so. And also he was given first they said it was a key to the city, but it was. They said the actual city of Atlanta put a statement out saying, no, it was not a key to the city. And we don't give those out. That was given by Fulton county in the state of Georgia, which. Okay, cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But he was given Atlanta's in Fulton County.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Flip]

Whatever. But he was given an honor by somebody in Atlanta on stage, so. And now he's supposed to come back again the next night. And they was like, nah, baby, let's not do that. Wow. I ain't mad at him. Yeah, no, you got to protect if.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It'S for safety, security, safety, safety.

[Flip]

It's the same thing with Chicago because he was absolutely going to perform that record in Chicago. And it's not like a record. He's been doing it every stop. So he was 1000% going to perform that in Chicago, as it did as a sign of disrespect to Dirk and Vaughn. Etc. So, nope, we can't have it here.

[Joe Budden]

Because the store is so big that some of these records are just taking off because he's touring them.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah. What he's doing without radio support, like major mainstream support at mainstream support at all is some next level shit for sure. And he's been doing it for years to the point where people was like, yo, who what? Who. Where the are these numbers coming from? He thought it was fake.

[Joe Budden]

Respect him the same way I got to respect Broadway when he came in, shout out to Rod Wade like some of these new. That's changing the tempo template of how things are done. And those definitely are two of them. Shouted young boy. Shout out to Rob Wade. I'm old, but I see what's going on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What you about to say, Flip?

[Ish]

I say he's doing the same thing. Like how Tech 9 did it take nine. Tech 9 was.

[Flip]

No, it's not the same. Because this is. First saw Tech9 tours.

[Corey]

Always.

[Joe Budden]

Tech9 is a touring outfit. Yeah.

[Flip]

He.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Flip]

He is a he. They do the merch.

[Ish]

They do the whole thing. I know. I understand. I got you.

[Flip]

This is his first tour. Cause that's why. And that's part of why this tour is so successful. A lot of the youngboy fans have never had an opportunity to see him live. He's never toured. So people were always wondering. And then again, you don't have songs on radio. Your videos ain't doing this. You're not always at the top of the Billboard charts and none of this. And you're doing arenas. Let's see how this really play out. That's why I salute the tour and salute. Because you doing all of that and packing these venues out every single night. But again, people been waiting nine plus years to finally see you tour.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Flip]

So again, salute to him and that whole team.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Shout out to young boy especially. Like I said, man, everybody out there selling out tours and living their dreams and all that. All that good. I really enjoyed this part. I just want to tell y' all that.

[Corey]

Same.

[Flip]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

This was just. Are we recording?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, this was great.

[Ish]

Yo, you can't give us. We had our phone take. Shout to Corey. Cory, that's why I love you. You don't really.

[Joe Budden]

You don't want that.

[Ish]

Really care for me, son up here. You and E like just other Corey.

[Joe Budden]

K. You and Mark went through the hallway. That sat right there.

[Ish]

Cory had a long talk with me outside. Watch your mother.

[Joe Budden]

Cory sat right there and did nothing.

[Ish]

He mighty too. He mighty kid.

[Joe Budden]

Let y' all go tear each other's heads off.

[Corey]

Thanks, Flip Par.

[Flip]

Don't say nothing. All the air I wasted out my lungs.

[Joe Budden]

Right, right.

[Ish]

Is your. When you give advice, your come like. Like scolding. You give scolding advice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen, you are stupid.

[Ish]

Nobody want to hear that. You're stupid.

[Flip]

Yeah, you want me.

[Joe Budden]

You. You have.

[Flip]

You've been babied enough. That's why you look like Teddy Ruth Quinn now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Reference.

[Joe Budden]

Like a homeless Teddy Ruth.

[Corey]

Nah, he's got a whole thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Ish]

That's in the Space the that threw out and they be trying to refurbish them. You be seeing the. They take the old teddy bears off the street and clean it up.

[Joe Budden]

Clean it up. That's why I can't never say I grew up poor. I had a Teddy Ruxman.

[Ish]

They were expensive.

[Joe Budden]

And I had the cassettes.

[Corey]

Multiple cassettes.

[Ish]

They weren't.

[Flip]

It's the toy that.

[Joe Budden]

You know.

[Flip]

It's one toy every Christmas that can't. Nobody finds like that cabbage patches and. Yep.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can stick the tape inside of him, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the one.

[Joe Budden]

I had all the tapes. He tell everything. Lucky.

[Ish]

No, I don't, though. For real, though. Like, y' all be saying that about me to play into that. I don't really tell everything, huh?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You tell more than he tells. 99%. He tells things you don't.

[Ish]

Yo, look at me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Keep some about himself.

[Ish]

Look at me, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I made an interpretation inappropriate joke last week. As soon as you seen a you snitch, he barked on me. Now I got in trouble. You tell too much, Joe.

[Ish]

You told the joke in front of all of it.

[Joe Budden]

In front of the person I was joking about. And it wasn't on camera. That was you that rat it you just a rat. I control po's edit. Why you tell me about po and you at it? And I got barked on and felt small and inadequate.

[Ish]

It was funny, though, but I still.

[Joe Budden]

Felt small and inadequate. Stop telling if I'm talking behind somebody back. Don't tell them when you see him.

[Ish]

Don't tell our man.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

Used to slap you, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. The. Now they trying to kill talking behind people's backs.

[Ish]

I think that's why I don't like talking behind people's back. You know that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please. We didn't talk behind your back so much.

[Ish]

How many of y' all ain't talk behind my back? How many we talk behind your back?

[Joe Budden]

Point them out. I don't that many fingers.

[Ish]

My man traded. Imani did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish didn't.

[Joe Budden]

I never spoke to my son about you and my. But that is. That is. That's on the queue, though. Anybody in here that I haven't talked about flip with behind his back? It's coming up. It's coming up, yo. Pray. My thoughts and prayers go out to anybody that was parked in that garage that collapsed in the Bronx.

[Ish]

What garage collapsed? I thought it was a building.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was a garage. With park cars parked. Well, it was a building, but it was a garage. And with cars Parked in, like, a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Big garage, like a house garage, like a garage.

[Joe Budden]

A huge garage that just landed on people's cars. Some was going to they. And they just couldn't move. It's up. Job it out.

[Ish]

Yo, the Bronze. Gotta fix that, man. The incinerator part collapsed in the building. The whole came up, came down. And now someone with the Bronx, man.

[Flip]

I mean, gonna be like, yo, my car was parked in there, too.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'll go park my right now. I go park my right now. My got hurt.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of the Bronx, did y' all see JLO say that her relationships failed because men weren't capable of loving her?

[Corey]

I didn't see that accountability.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

You really have experience loving someone? Yes, you have.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And when you can't get that love.

[Flip]

Back, what I learned, it's not that I'm not lovable, is that they're not capable.

[Joe Budden]

They can't love. They don't have it in them.

[Flip]

They need to appreciate the little person inside of them.

[Joe Budden]

And they gave me what they had, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They gave me all of it, every time.

[Joe Budden]

But it's this much. All the rings, all the things I could ever want, right?

[Flip]

Try to give me the houses, the rings, the marriage, all of it.

[Joe Budden]

But they didn't love you. They didn't and didn't know you. And I didn't love myself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's doing a lot of talking, cuz. You from the Bronx.

[Flip]

Audio.

[Joe Budden]

Let's load it up. Why you keep saying, let's load it up?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, don't worry about my phone. Don't worry about my phone. So you want us to fact check if it's sources first?

[Ish]

That was how.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You saying it's AI because you can't believe anybody would actually think like that.

[Flip]

It sounded funny, but, yeah, she didn't mess up. He's saying it's AI because it's Jack Jlo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm wondering.

[Joe Budden]

It's a video of JLO on Howard Stern. Now, I'm old, so maybe I'm falling for sources, but it looks pretty real to me.

[Ish]

Ish. But she's saying that you give her whatever you want, but you don't love her.

[Flip]

She didn't say nothing about Inside.

[Ish]

She said they gave me everything I want, but they didn't know who I was.

[Flip]

Gave me everything.

[Joe Budden]

That's how I felt a lot of times when I was in love.

[Flip]

She said they gave me everything I wanted. She said the houses, the cars. She ain't say nothing about encouragement, support.

[Corey]

Isn't that just lyrics to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's literally what I was thinking. Rings think you gotta buy me ice. You don't think I need to spend your cash? I don't.

[Corey]

That's all it was.

[Ish]

The whole car.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Ish]

Nigga give me a little itch. What you would do with J O, nigga, she don't care about your houses, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, this is real. This has been confirmed by multiple news sources.

[Joe Budden]

I tell you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How are you white ones?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I was telling him it was real, but taken.

[Flip]

Nice to meet you.

[Joe Budden]

You would tell Jlo that you taken for sure. Not now, but what would you tell her later? I got what you tell.

[Ish]

Meet me in the back.

[Joe Budden]

Initially, we all. Yo, ma. Come on. I never disrespect my union like that. Come on. I got. I got getting married. That's my everything. That's my baby ma. I love her to death. She was there with me.

[Flip]

I was had two doors hour four into the phone conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Doors. What would you say later when she text you? What would you say when you get.

[Flip]

On that I80 I will four into.

[Joe Budden]

The phone call when you get on 280 away from your girl. 280. Damn, you far.

[Ish]

You honorable man, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. I appreciate it. My appreciate that. Me too. You all are. Can't give me.

[Ish]

You honorable too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

You know, that's why I just post me and my girl. Got to us both. If you want me, girls want you.

[Ish]

More, you post your girl.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I do it. I mean, and I love her. Anytime I post my girl, the girls I've been waiting for to DM me, hit me. Oh, man, that's a joke. And if y' all don't laugh, it's going to sound serious. My girl and my girl listens.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What they say.

[Joe Budden]

It's. I'm joking. Don't nobody hit me. Don't even get me started. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't have anything else that I need that I need to get off. I don't have anything else that's super important to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, you did it, yo. It's great.

[Ish]

Chill out, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm agreeing with the boss.

[Ish]

Mark ate a fucking snack and then he just crashes out. It's like a sugar eye. It's like the sugar.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I told y', all if I eat chicken or sugar is a wrap.

[Flip]

Really?

[Corey]

Yeah, both, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I had a piece of chicken and two slices of sweet potato pie. Y' all killing me up here. See, in my old jobs, they gave healthy Food. But since I've come up here, y' all destroying my diet.

[Ish]

Heathens.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's a shame.

[Flip]

Go home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They got. They got vegetables home.

[Joe Budden]

Go home. Well, you've been blacklisted and blackballed from those positions, so those Shepherd's pie now, buddy. Sweet potato pie.

[Flip]

It is macaroni.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Ish]

It's a beautiful night.

[Joe Budden]

It's part of the show. Tears heating up. Yo, I'm changing the Patreon prices January 1st. Don't say I didn't tell you. I left enough time for you niggas to have Thanksgiving, Christmas.

[Flip]

Oh, that's dope.

[Joe Budden]

Halloween, birthdays, New Year's Eve, even. Damn. Because that's December 31st.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're just gonna do that to the fans.

[Joe Budden]

But January one. Yes. Inspired by you and your $100 here and the success that you've been having behind it. Lowering the prices for the Fans. That's real. January1.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Never do such a thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the prices are changing on Patreon fans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you don't want.

[Flip]

I think that's dope, host.

[Joe Budden]

No, it is dope. Lower the prices.

[Flip]

The fans will love that. They deserve.

[Joe Budden]

All in your fans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All in your fans. Changing the prices. Come on over to Markle My Hill right now.

[Joe Budden]

Come on over here to Dark.

[Ish]

You know, if you change the price of the tears, it automatically charges them.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, the Joe Button Patreon price will be changing January 1st, and if not, that means I had a bunch of fun December 31st, and it'll change January 2nd. Oh, yeah. No, but we going to get to it.

[Ish]

Shout out to Te Man.

[Joe Budden]

What else is there? What else is there? I'm straight. Anything else I could say for Patreon? I'm all right. All right. I might talk some more on Patreon. I ain't gonna lie. I don't feel right doing the right thing. I don't feel right doing the right thing also. Yeah, we do have a. Come on. Come on. Talk about it. Freeze. Before we get out of here.

[Flip]

Before we get out of here, we.

[Joe Budden]

Got a special treat.

[Ish]

We do.

[Flip]

We do. I want to give a shout out to my. To my man, Victor Solomon.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Flip]

Artist, designer, I don't know.

[Corey]

Sculptor.

[Flip]

Sculptor, everything. He's the gentleman that made the Knicks ball. We have on the table. We all also have basketballs as well.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Our teams.

[Joe Budden]

I love my Knicks ball.

[Flip]

We are. The Laker ball is fire. We are blessed with the presence of the new and improved and improved official.

[Ish]

Official.

[Joe Budden]

This is the real one.

[Flip]

Real one.

[Joe Budden]

This is the one that the Knicks will be holding.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the closest the Knicks gonna come.

[Flip]

To real deal Larry o' Brien trophy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I hold that?

[Flip]

Yeah. That's the closest.

[Joe Budden]

That's the closest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, let me ora farm right quick. Want some Tatum?

[Flip]

I'm about to do the Kobe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do the Kobe.

[Joe Budden]

Do the Kobe. I got to man be hugging my. Is beautiful.

[Flip]

Amazing. Yo, you designed that. What material is it?

[Joe Budden]

It's all gold.

[Flip]

We make that one Tiffany, but we.

[Joe Budden]

Redesigned the whole collection.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said it's all gold, man. Come on. Come on over here.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Y' all want to touch budget?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop saying these things.

[Flip]

Yo, please stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And yes.

[Flip]

Oh, you going to cut the mic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that joint look heavy.

[Joe Budden]

Right here. Right, Right here. Right?

[Flip]

You want there? Oh, yeah. Good, good.

[Ish]

Oh, man. Wow.

[Flip]

Damn.

[Victor Solomon]

I took park shirt.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What an honor.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, everybody starts their their first episode.

[Flip]

We work our way up.

[Victor Solomon]

But a few years back, on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the league, we redesigned all the trophies, including Larry Bryant trophy, and we continue to produce that with Tiffany. But the biggest thing that was important to me is on the base we engraved all the previous winners. So every year's trophy is not only a celebration of that year's victor, but.

[Joe Budden]

Those that came before.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Victor Solomon]

Yeah, exactly. So paying homage to all the people that came before.

[Flip]

So it's not that many Knicks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't found the Knicks yet. I see Laker. Laker Lakers sixes, Lakers warriors first.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody asked y' all to read.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This thing is beautiful though, man. When you look at the trophy from on tv, you don't get to see all the inscriptions of all the different teams and won the championship or the detail. It's beautiful, man. This is great.

[Victor Solomon]

And frankly, that was part of the story that we were trying to tell is like those intimate Easter egg moments that only the champions get to experience. So those sort of special things. And then on the underside, we have the final script so when that moment does get to happen and hopefully your boys get to to hoist that up.

[Flip]

They won't.

[Joe Budden]

They will.

[Victor Solomon]

They'll get that little splash of the finals behind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow, that looks dope underneath.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, try it. That is absolutely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She going to drop it.

[Joe Budden]

That is absolutely stunning. My question I have for you, cuz I'm. I used to be an athlete. I got a triple double at Oak Hill heavy back in the 90s. But my question to you is you get a discount at Tiffany's.

[Victor Solomon]

I need to make some calls about that. Actually. I never taken them up.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't. They did a phenomenal job with this.

[Victor Solomon]

Yeah, they. They absolutely killed it.

[Flip]

This is amazing, B.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you, ready to go to UConn and do something.

[Flip]

He.

[Corey]

Remember the video?

[Flip]

Could have been one of them, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw the video.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Corey]

My man.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[Ish]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

At the canal, if you didn't break your knee on a finger roll, you had a bright future. This is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's deceptively heavy. As I said, that's how to get up the head.

[Joe Budden]

That's for athletes and people that work out. Freeze.

[Flip]

Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

That really gives you the perspective.

[Victor Solomon]

I mean, you remember that. That shot of LeBron where he's holding it with one hand out like this?

[Joe Budden]

Like these guys, like it's a wine glass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Victor Solomon]

Different level.

[Flip]

This is heat. Oh, yeah, that is true.

[Ish]

All right.

[Flip]

To be able to hold that with one hand like that. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your little.

[Flip]

Your little gym run, ain't that.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Flip]

Your thumbnail, you might go. That is heavy as hell.

[Joe Budden]

Don't break it, because we can't. We can't. We can't afford to replace that.

[Flip]

No, no, I said that right there. Kobe was up. The Kobe moment.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this dope.

[Flip]

Yeah. I'm trying to will us back greatness, you know what I mean? It's not gonna happen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, that's a rat.

[Joe Budden]

All right. You can give it back to him now. You going too crazy over there. That thing is.

[Flip]

Oh, that is amazing.

[Ish]

Thank you very much. That's fire.

[Joe Budden]

And the design is, too.

[Flip]

So, yeah, I was about to say where the idea come from that just all you.

[Victor Solomon]

Collaborate with. Obviously collaborated with the league and the approach to all the trophy stuff, but really, it was just, again, like I was saying, these guys are in the gym since they're 10 years old in chasing this object, this moment. So to have the extra symbolism, the canonization of the previous winners for those things to last off on felt like a really important contribution to it. So glad I got to bring it up here and share with you guys. Likewise, and should be another great season.

[Flip]

What's the first day you do the other ones, too? You do, like, the. In season all that, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Victor Solomon]

In season, Tournament mvp. All my babies out.

[Flip]

Kobe Bryant Award.

[Joe Budden]

Do you. Do you design rings?

[Victor Solomon]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Victor Solomon]

Trying to get into rings more and more.

[Flip]

His ring is nice.

[Joe Budden]

Wedding rings.

[Flip]

Look at his ring.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Victor Solomon]

If anyone has any weddings coming up, that might be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Me and Freeze gonna talk to you. Me and Freeze gonna talk to you about.

[Ish]

That's fire.

[Flip]

That's fire. That is fire.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you again for being. Yeah, that is fire. I'll see it at the Garden in. In. In June soon enough.

[Flip]

Appreciate it on the screen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's happening? His concert put it on the screen.

[Ish]

They put it on the screen.

[Flip]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all swear y' all so d. That's crazy. Y.

[Flip]

That is dope.

[Joe Budden]

Dope.

[Ish]

All right, you got it.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Got the net on there.

[Flip]

You got to be in the gym for that.

[Joe Budden]

Look at that bad boy.

[Flip]

Told you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I was like, I ain't had this job.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't been.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Want to break it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. N. You got to get up that.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, you don't want to leave it right there.

[Joe Budden]

This guy come get it.

[Flip]

You come get it in, like, June. Leave it there till May or June.

[Joe Budden]

You making me want to go grab my Chelsea boots again, man. Getting that bag, huh? Grab my old Durango suede jacket.

[Flip]

That's how.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, such a great show. It is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great show. No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, put it up, put it up. We in there. Take real good show today, man. I appreciate everybody. You guys are awesome. Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute, Wait a minute now.

[Joe Budden]

Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Wait a minute now.

[Flip]

It's me talking to me. That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. Thank you all for listening, man. Until next time, we bid you a due farewell. Adios to riva dirchi. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long and bow. A simple head nod will suffice. Hey, remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last, but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you with Tylenol. You might need it.

[Ish]

Hey, hey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Till next time.

[Joe Budden]

All right? Come on. Come on. What's the weekend vibes? What's the weekend by. Y', all? Y' all know where I'm at tonight. Y' all know where I'm at tonight. Celebrating Park's birthday. We outside. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

Happy birthday, Parks.

[Joe Budden]

Happy birthday, Parks. I will be at the shindig early and late. Right before.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right before.

[Joe Budden]

Hit me. What y' all doing this weekend? The rest of y', all, what up, what up, what up? Filming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Working, working, traveling. That's it.

[Ish]

Same thing.

[Flip]

Where you at, Mark?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trying to sneak back Houston and then I'm trying to fly back late tomorrow night. Just slide through Parks and spot.

[Flip]

Okay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Try and move Some things around big ass happen. Doing my best.

[Joe Budden]

Fire. Fire.

[Flip]

Get the pj.

[Corey]

There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's. That's a Joe button question.

[Flip]

No, no, no. Joe going to be there. It's about you.

[Joe Budden]

No. Go home like your friend told you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, number one person got a pj. I know, and it ain't at home.

[Joe Budden]

What up? What you want, man? What you want this weekend?

[Ish]

Going to my man, my man, my man's party.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying? Cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, it's what you want this weekend?

[Flip]

Work every day, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Every day.

[Flip]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Treat yourself.

[Flip]

No days off. No, you got.

[Corey]

You gotta even get more Travis's, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm tired.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corey]

Expensive ones.

[Ish]

Yeah, he going to the bottom.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you take off and dip in your savings?

[Flip]

And do what? I don't even have a savings.

[Joe Budden]

Treat yourself. Dip in your 401k, man.

[Flip]

Go under the bed.

[Joe Budden]

Get the box.

[Flip]

Know he still got the shoe box.

[Joe Budden]

Call the Portuguese banks, tell him to transfer. Transfer some of that over. We got a big move this weekend.

[Flip]

That's we got to do.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

I love this song. Yo, don't forget to subscribe to the Patreon mine. Marks amongst money splits. Hey, wait a minute.

[Ish]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

We'Ll fold that up right now. You've never heard of Joe, buddy?