Episode 872 | "Purple Eye"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 872 | "Purple Eye"

Release Date: October 25, 2025
Main Cast: Joe Budden, Mona, Mark Lamont Hill, Parks, Flip
Episode Theme:
A lively, candid exploration of everything from NBA gambling scandals and authenticity in friendships to music releases, local politics, and more. The podcasters blend their trademark banter, storytelling, and insight, making for a dynamic roundtable mixing humor, sharp takes, and shared history.

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Episode Overview

The pod kicks off with playful banter: Mona, the newest full-week guest, is roasted and celebrated as she integrates with the group. The episode quickly pivots into dissecting group dynamics, recent NBA scandals, the art of calling out phoniness, relationship stories, hip hop history, and what it means to navigate fame and interpersonal trust in today’s world.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Mona Joins Full-Time & Group Chemistry

00:53–12:00

• Mona receives both welcome and lighthearted hazing; the crew discusses the different facets of each other's personalities at work and at home.
• They reminisce about podcasting mishaps and “Master Joe” (Joe’s managerial persona) coming out.
• Memorable Exchange: Mona claims, “I smell like Rose,” while Joe claims she “thugged us all out before the show even started.”
• Timestamps:
  • [01:46] “Mona has thugged us all out before the show has even started.” – Joe
  • [06:09] “Master Joe” anecdotes

2. NBA Gambling & Betting Scandal Deep Dive

30:45–61:43

• Mark explains the scope: FBI probe, Mafia-connected illegal poker games, and NBA player prop bet manipulation.
• Names like Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, and Damon Jones are discussed, as is the racialized way the story is covered.
• They debate player culpability, how addiction and mob pressure could pull millionaires in, and what this means for the league’s future.
• Key Quotes:
  • [32:13] Mark: “Maybe the worst day in league history as far as public relations goes...”
  • [39:51] Mona: “I may not know the ins and out of basketball, but I know how the feds work. They don’t indict until they ready and they don’t lose.”
  • [52:08] Joe: “This is Adam Silver’s first real crisis to me. Yes, it is. Yeah, it is. This is the first. It’s a huge one.”
• Discussion includes:
  • Mob involvement, implications for fandom and league trust, comparison between betting addiction and player motives.
  • The need for harsh penalties versus possibility of redemption.
  • Cultural impact: “If you normalize a culture where teams are intentionally not doing all they can to win, it becomes a slippery slope…” – Mark [51:47]

3. Music Segment: New Drops & Classic R&B Love

81:14–116:58

• The panel expresses excitement over the upcoming New Edition / Boyz II Men / Toni Braxton tour, with some surprise at lack of enthusiasm for Boyz II Men from Mona (“I’m not a Boyz II Men fan. I never been. From Philly, from Philadelphia... I just never.”)
• Music Reviews:
  • Leon Thomas EP – praised for its 1970s funk/soul vibe.
  • Miguel’s new album sparks a debate about artists evolving (“I miss the old Miguel”).
  • Kehlani’s “Folded Pack” remix is universally celebrated; in-depth play of favorite tracks, with debate over Brandy’s missing verse.
  • Mention of new Dave East, Hit-Boy/Alchemist collab, Daniel Caesar, Queen Naija, and emerging artist Isaiah Falls.
• Notable Music Quotes:
  • “Leon Thomas is an automatic purchase for me. I learned this morning.” – Joe [85:47]
  • “Kehlani... someone else who I think has R&B in an absolute chokehold right now.” – Joe [92:48]

4. Authenticity, Friendship, and Navigating Fakes

162:02–169:59

• Roundtable on “how close can you be to a fake?” and the boundaries of trust—both professionally and personally.
• Strong views emerge: Mona is ready to walk away when someone’s proven fake; Flip and Parks explore navigating fake colleagues for utility but keeping distance.
• Parenting and character as friendship litmus tests are discussed:
  • “If somebody will fuck their kid over, what they gonna do to you?” – Mona [166:22]
  • “If I see anybody doing anything shady to somebody else, I assume they’ll do it to me when I’m no longer useful to them.” – Mark [166:24]

5. Local/National Politics, Black Informants & Legacies

123:09–132:10

• Analysis of the “Thanks for Asking” Queens legend interview, confidential informant distinctions, and Al Sharpton’s past.
• Mark: “...a whole lot of people who we revere have had some kind of relationship to the Feds. It’s just a fact.” [130:37]
• The group debates the complexity of “snitching” versus informant work, with some tongue-in-cheek referencing of loyalty and historical context.

6. Hip Hop Spelling Bee & Old-School Icons

132:35–136:50

• Spelling of names in rap: Snoop, Biggie, and old-school acts debated for their hallmark name-spelling deliveries.
• Reminiscing on iconic crews performing at Knicks halftime; reverence for hip hop elders as cultural touchstones.

7. Relationship Stories, Parenting, Co-parenting, and Baby Dads/Moms Dynamics

173:29–175:13

• Mona and others riff on real-life relationship boundaries, the “baby daddy” calls at 4am meme, and the maturity required to raise children together after separation.
• "My baby dad's cool too... Turning to family. Is she your family too? That’s your family.” – Mona [175:17–175:33]

8. Weekend Plans & Personal Updates

187:59–192:54

• The cast share real-life weekend plans (concerts, haunted houses, travel), with lively ribbing about private jets, class travel, and what it means to “make it.”
• Joe previews a major move for the show and tells haters, “Don't bet against me in these next few years... this next move. Oh, this next one is a doozy.” [183:03–184:14]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “The largest room I ever been in is the room for growth.” – Flip [07:35]
• “If the mafia get to have their own gambling houses and let us have ours. Even if it’s tied to...” – Joe [57:36]
• “If you normalize a culture where teams are intentionally not doing all they can to win, it becomes a slippery slope...” – Mark [51:47]
• “I may not know the ins and out of basketball, but I know how the feds work. They don’t indict until they ready and they don’t lose.” – Mona [39:51]
• “I feel like a lot of people stop watching [sports] just because of that. You don’t want to watch something where you can't bank on if they’re going to win or not.” – Mona [60:46]
• “Don’t bet against me in these next few years... this next move. Oh, this next one is a doozy.” – Joe [183:03]

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Timestamps by Topic

• 00:53–12:00: Mona’s warm up & group chemistry
• 30:45–61:43: NBA scandal, gambling, and ethics in sports
• 81:14–116:58: Music reviews, nostalgia, and new releases
• 123:09–132:10: Old-school legends, informant culture, Al Sharpton discussion
• 132:35–136:50: Name spelling in hip hop, Knicks halftime show
• 162:02–169:59: Authenticity, friendship boundaries, and fakes
• 173:29–175:13: Relationships, co-parenting, the baby mama/daddy discourse
• 187:59–192:54: Weekend plans and show’s future tease

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The Pod’s Style & Tone

• Language/Tone: Candid, irreverent, quick-witted, sometimes explicit, with tight-knit group banter.
• Energy: Unscripted, charismatic, driven by chemistry and authenticity.
• Balance: Jokes and roasting offset more serious takes on corruption, addiction, friendship, and music critique.

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Conclusion

Episode 872, “Purple Eye,” is classic Joe Budden Podcast: a layered group conversation, grounded in honest takes on current events, music, and friendship, punctuated by both hilarity and insight. With a blend of relatable vulnerability and sharp-tongued commentary, the cast gives listeners a seat at the table—whether they’re dissecting NBA drama, redefining what it means to keep it real, or collectively losing their minds over new R&B.

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Mona so hood. Mona so hood. I see commentary out there saying, yep. And that's what they get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

My what I see, Mona's such a real ass. Real ass. The comments is saying, yep. Take that. I'm here for you ladies. Oh, my God.

[Mona]

I'm having a great time up here, guys.

[Parks]

That's good.

[Flip]

We're having a great time.

[Joe Button]

We love having you, Mona, but where are you coming from?

[Mona]

What? What do you mean?

[Parks]

You mean emotionally or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, Irvington.

[Flip]

What you know about Irvington?

[Mona]

I don't know what Irvington is, and I don't appreciate that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a good thing. That's their little hood by that laundromat that's over there.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you saying?

[Mona]

I would be more camp than or something closer.

[Joe Button]

Mona smell like the whole cigar club.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, watch your mouth. I know what you talk about, too. Why you said that she don't smell like that.

[Joe Button]

I leaned over. We was talking, confiding in each other.

[Parks]

But like good cigars.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She don't smell like that. You don't?

[Joe Button]

Nah, for real. The. That hit with the, like, Phil Jackson after this. After this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She don't smell like that after three feet.

[Joe Button]

Yo, audience.

[Mona]

I smell like Rose.

[Joe Button]

Mona has thugged us all out before the show has even started.

[Mona]

That's a lot of guys.

[Joe Button]

And we all kind of afraid of her a little bit when we started.

[Mona]

We prayed together.

[Joe Button]

That's true. That's true.

[Flip]

Well, that's. Cause she made us pray. Get your bitch ass in here.

[Joe Button]

Hold handsome. Pray with the ear. And it's her first full week. Like, she ain't normally supposed to do, like, the full week, but.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's right.

[Mona]

Yeah. That's crazy. See?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me know at the end of the day how you feel.

[Joe Button]

We are honored to have a full week of Demona fuck up.

[Flip]

So let me ask you, mom, the.

[Mona]

Last time I filmed her, we had a great day that day.

[Flip]

Remember, y'?

[Joe Button]

All?

[Parks]

We did.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but you did.

[Flip]

You did say that there was two different jokes. Yeah. So how was he today?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, what are the two different jewels?

[Flip]

What are the two different Jews Tuesday jokes?

[Mona]

Cause I was ranked.

[Joe Button]

You calling me gay again?

[Mona]

No, no, that was Last week because.

[Joe Button]

I went home and worked on all my butch jokes. So let's have a blast today.

[Flip]

Yo, you can't say that.

[Joe Button]

Wait, you can't.

[Mona]

I didn't have to work on that. I'm just ready. You know what I mean? I'm ready. Either way, I'm ready. Let's go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stay ready.

[Joe Button]

Wait, is there a whole bunch of me's, like, from y'? All?

[Parks]

There's a couple at work.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At least three.

[Joe Button]

I mean, at work, we hang out or outside of work. But I mean, at work.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At work.

[Parks]

Yeah, there's a couple different years for sure.

[Joe Button]

Yes, yes.

[Mona]

Yeah, he acts like you don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, the use a couple U's, bro.

[Flip]

That it's the whole Alphabet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, more than you. You got the vowels. A, E, I, O, you, you, a vowel.

[Joe Button]

How many of them is real bad?

[Mona]

The last one, the I met last time was.

[Parks]

No, the last one wasn't the real.

[Joe Button]

What? Yeah, it's just snapping. Wait, why? How come y' all say the last one and other people know what y' all talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen.

[Joe Button]

What the are y' all saying? What's the last one?

[Parks]

The last one was the. You are having, what you call it.

[Joe Button]

Passionate with your girl. Oh, you talking about the last part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, we can tell when Shah and you get into your favor, we can.

[Joe Button]

Tell that wasn't even none of y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, look how different you did that. You see? That was good. Hold on, Stop. Last week is like, oh, no, you niggas ain't doing it. I told you niggas. Are y' all serious? Are you serious? Y' all still talking over each other? Yo, wait, hold up.

[Joe Button]

Last week, Mona grabbed a large chick fil a gum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I be trying to help her.

[Joe Button]

What the fuck do y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm down. I try to help her like a bottle of chicken.

[Mona]

Excuse me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was McDonald's too, right?

[Mona]

It was a couple. It was ice with alkaline water on it. I was extremely parched because I'm up here doing my job, which used to speak factory. What Flip was saying was, is when Joe says, hey, y' all talking over each other, I can't hear y'. All. That's how it sounds on the days I'm normally here. On that day, it more sounded like.

[Joe Button]

Shut the fuck up, bitch.

[Mona]

Didn't I tell. Hold up. Look, look, listen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At one point, right turn, me and.

[Mona]

This Flip, just bonding, laughing, playing this Stop.

[Joe Button]

We wasn't even working.

[Mona]

This stopped and said, yo, I don't give a About whatever the y' all talking about. For real.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This distracted me.

[Mona]

Hold up.

[Joe Button]

This.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How you know this?

[Mona]

How you know when a not playing with you? Because when it get quiet, when it rest like, you let the. Cuz I'm just like, I'mma let the head.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Mona]

He let it rest. This situation. The.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, what the.

[Mona]

I can't even think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Weariness. I'm trying to. I don't give a.

[Mona]

About what the y' all went through last week.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It took a lot out of me, boy. It took a lot. Last time you did that, we had.

[Mona]

We both said something because Flip was like, you know, Flip. Flip style. Hold up, I'm smacking out. You already said it. We heard you. Me, I'm like, joe, well, you know, we heard. You know, we heard what you said. No, you was sad after you say, hey, be quiet or whatever. Anything you say after that, that's for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Mona]

So it's like, oh, okay. You know, everybody having.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But this the thing when you play around.

[Mona]

This what happen when you play too much. Cuz I'm talking about that Master Joe. Mr. Joe. I met Master Joe the other day. That's the other day. And then we had a great day. Got done on time, and the N said, we did great. Today was perfect, guys. Everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I bet it was, motherfucker. In my head, I'm like, we was in my bed like this. Y. Y' all pick up. What you think?

[Flip]

What you want to talk about what you think?

[Mona]

I think so, too. Yes.

[Flip]

Mona, you did not need Master Joe.

[Joe Button]

Tell him out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll tell you.

[Joe Button]

I'm out.

[Mona]

That's it. I can't take no more than what I told y'.

[Joe Button]

All. Can I get a word? Timeout. This broadcast can't go any. Then I owe y' all an apology.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A. I don't want your apology. Let me tell you, yo, when he got better is when Sade came and sat her ass there.

[Joe Button]

That n got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That nigga whole attitude.

[Mona]

I came like I said, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She came down. She was looking at him too. I'm like, okay, there's some shit going on here. That's when he got better. He was calm, he was cool. He was breathable.

[Joe Button]

He was speaking fluently.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm like, okay, good.

[Joe Button]

It got. It got better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But earlier he said, I can't think to me and Mona. Mona looked at me like, yo, what the fuck?

[Joe Button]

Nah, I'm sorry, bro. Sorry.

[Mona]

I never thought I would say this. Flip is right, girl. Like, what the fuck? Flip is absolutely Right.

[Joe Button]

No, I apologize. We can tell you a love gang, but I never mean that how it come up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I know, I know.

[Joe Button]

One and two. You just got to tell me it's coming off, cuz. I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's better to tell you after, though. I don't know. That.

[Parks]

That moment, you might turn up even more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the moment you turn up. I'm sorry.

[Joe Button]

I wouldn't. That's why.

[Mona]

I don't know.

[Flip]

In the moment.

[Joe Button]

That sounds bad, listening to y' all say that. And again, hopefully that guy doesn't come out a lot. And the largest room I ever been.

[Flip]

In is the room for growth.

[Parks]

And again, that was only like. That was only like upper management, Joe.

[Joe Button]

That was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that wasn't.

[Joe Button]

That wasn't even.

[Mona]

Also an hour in, like, it wasn't even.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like, you playing with my family, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Yo, Julie said that. I forgot about that.

[Flip]

I'm thinking they buggered.

[Joe Button]

Like, we had, like, one.

[Mona]

In the moment. You said that, though. In the moment, you was like. Cause I said to you, like, well, after that, you know, you all right. And you were like, well, you know, it's all lighthearted. It's not like you said it in the moment. It wasn't like.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he be bullshitting. Yo.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, how many months is this for you?

[Joe Button]

Once.

[Mona]

No, it ain't one.

[Parks]

Week.

[Joe Button]

Three. This month is the first month. Yeah, week three.

[Mona]

I know it feel like you know me forever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love her.

[Parks]

There's a couple years, man. That's all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That was shady, though. You could be fan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could be regular or something toe his friends. I can't think when y' all talk. I don't give a fuck what happened last. We talking about some shit between me and her. We talking about beef.

[Mona]

So what we bonded.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

With, bro.

[Mona]

We was bonding. We was having a good conversation, and everybody was just in their own world. But you know, me and him, we a little louder. This nigga said, what the fuck? I can't. I can't fucking think right now.

[Joe Button]

And I said that. I said that to the two hosts who've made us implement our new pat down rule.

[Parks]

Cory got the little wand.

[Joe Button]

Nah, nah. These two, we gotta make sure we just talking.

[Flip]

This could go a whole nother way.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Nah, yeah. Nah. Especially after all that Marxia and Miz. Oh, yeah. Miss, I ain't gonna hold you, man. Y' all lucky that the cops is listening. I can't even tell y' all what I want to tell y' all anyway. Anyways, I'M sorry about that. And just pull me up. Just chat. Just chat me.

[Flip]

You know you can chat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Mona]

Pull me up an hour later next week. Pull me up the week after.

[Joe Button]

How many times do y' all see that guy? And then we start.

[Mona]

That was. It was that day like. I just think I probably shouldn't. Come on.

[Joe Button]

I saw that guy a lot of times.

[Parks]

In a month. It might be once a month.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We know. We know. One or two, depending on the season. Yeah, no, depending on what you fly in now. Keep in mind, we'll see.

[Mona]

That's coochie related. That's crazy that.

[Parks]

Everything is coochie.

[Mona]

I love Charlotte.

[Parks]

The whole world is Gucci.

[Mona]

I would hate if she's mad at me too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop that, man. That's gonna get you in trouble in the first place. Come on.

[Joe Button]

Anyway. Come on.

[Parks]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'm happy to see y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Button]

I'm happy to see y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She sat there like a parent. Yo, I'm looking like parents, teachers night. She was like this. Her face like this looking at the. He was mad happy. You came in today looking good. You came in happy. You came in looking refreshed and happy. I can usually take your temperature when you walk in and see what kind of day it's gonna be. And you look. Oh, is that what it was?

[Joe Button]

Okay, okay. That nigga was hangry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

[Joe Button]

He said that she said she wasn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cooking for a while. It was that. Got a home cooked meal, he said. I forgot. He said my mom called. Who cooking? He said she ain't cook, you bitch ass. No food for you, you sucker.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. Yo, please stop. Please stop. Please. Holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What she made last night, gang? Some chicken.

[Parks]

Look, she made the rice beans.

[Flip]

Yeah, she got him, right?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, she got right. She got.

[Flip]

Look at his face.

[Mona]

She should come to all the filmings I'm at.

[Joe Button]

Made some beef ribs.

[Mona]

That's a good john.

[Joe Button]

Some type of special.

[Parks]

That's the one I make Red when we fighting too.

[Joe Button]

Couple of little mashed potatoes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You the bitch.

[Parks]

I think I bent pretty open that.

[Joe Button]

I'm the bitch.

[Mona]

Last week park said he getting a bitch.

[Flip]

That's what I mean.

[Joe Button]

Except on that one day, the first.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Best not be the fifth.

[Joe Button]

It's all an illusion.

[Flip]

Send it over.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you're lucky, you get it the 31st.

[Mona]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

And I'm sorry if I up the room the last bars. All right, man, you have to use.

[Parks]

A lot of spray too, but that's.

[Mona]

A Good thing, because we did really good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We learned how to deal with it.

[Mona]

And we got done on time.

[Joe Button]

Just work around me. Work around me. Like, I got to do y'. All.

[Flip]

Some.

[Joe Button]

Y' all got with y', all, too, y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Button]

There's a couple.

[Parks]

There's a couple flips, too. Yeah, there's a couple flips. A couple years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's not about me right now. That's a good answer.

[Joe Button]

It's not about me right now.

[Parks]

Hey, there's a couple marks.

[Joe Button]

Mark is in that boat, too.

[Parks]

There's a couple marks.

[Joe Button]

It's a few damn marks. Yeah, there's a few marks, Angela. I'm joking. I'm joking. There's a few marks. It's only icing. Ish. To kind of do, like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, there's two issues.

[Joe Button]

A good job of like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's two issues. There's two issues. There is two issues.

[Joe Button]

There's a few issues, too, but I'm talking about as far as it pertaining to at work.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Nah, it's definitely too. Nah, it's just kids. There are days where it's. Hey, when it's that time of the month for my son, when he got the text, he like, he go on the balcony. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You can tell when his tenants is fucking driving him up a while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was the one that said he.

[Joe Button]

Ain'T talking about that, but for the most part, I think it does pretty good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a thing. But there's some days where he's extra happy, extra nice.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Oh, that's true. Extra bubbly now every day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I said extra. Nobody's extra. But I'm saying, like, there's days where you, like, you make extra dad jokes. You like extra silly, extra playful with Joe. You know what I mean? No. I mean, no.

[Joe Button]

You did. This nigga's a fool, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is crazy. Yeah.

[Flip]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, yo, yo, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We.

[Flip]

We on there. Master Johnny, he just told you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, don't pick and choose. He called you.

[Parks]

We're off to such a fun start.

[Flip]

I'm trying to help you out.

[Mona]

Go ahead.

[Flip]

Yo, Master Johnny looking at you while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You pick some cotton.

[Mona]

You know damn well you wouldn't be outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you wouldn't be outside either. So stop both. Yo, you act like you going to be out there.

[Mona]

You wouldn't be outside. I'll be wherever I want.

[Flip]

Playing a violin inside, polishing silver.

[Mona]

Master Johnny, being my baby father. I'll be wherever I want to go.

[Joe Button]

It said that up Here like happy I'll be in the crib.

[Mona]

Do y' all have on plans of what you gonna do when slavery start, huh?

[Parks]

That's a wild way to start.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had a good joke. I'm trying to tell you.

[Mona]

What are you telling me?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He tell you about to go. Thank you. I'm trying to be doing all that silently. She crazy. No, I'm not helping you anymore. That's what I'm saying, man. I try to help you.

[Joe Button]

I'm telling you this. This one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I be trying my best to help us.

[Mona]

Gum. Flip. Sign for gum.

[Joe Button]

Damn, this Flip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't help her.

[Mona]

This what Flip do to help me all day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He do this.

[Mona]

If you look at the camera when I'm talking, you'll see his hand doing this.

[Joe Button]

Chill.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the fuck do that? You over talking them niggas.

[Mona]

Sometimes it means you over talking. Sometimes it means it simmer down. Sometimes it means it's gum. I don't speak that.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying I think Flip has your best interest in here for now.

[Parks]

I agree.

[Mona]

For now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She don't know that she's crazy.

[Mona]

I don't give a fuck what y' all think. She think it's an attack in regards to Flip.

[Joe Button]

You gonna stop thugging us?

[Mona]

I'm so sweet to these guys. Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you're not.

[Flip]

I am.

[Mona]

I'm the sweetest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Mona]

I'm such a nice girl.

[Parks]

We're still scared of you, though.

[Mona]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Button]

You exactly what we need in our life. We need a.

[Mona]

Everybody need a smell, you know, a cousin. Keep it real.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little tricky, but you made.

[Joe Button]

Yourself like a cowboy kinda Y spitting back up. That's crazy.

[Flip]

You my dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, you already know that.

[Flip]

You mean, you know we done came.

[Joe Button]

Off all that dumb. This gonna put on.

[Mona]

I listen to this one around.

[Joe Button]

Come on, now. I mean, sometimes we gotta act our age around here. Yeah. I mean. Mike Shack. One two. One two. Shout out to all the parents out there. Yeah, man. Let's get this weekend started the right way. Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Also, if you are not signed up to that Patreon, that will be a good time to do so before those prices rise. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Shout out to the hey. Listeners out there, huh? Hey.

[Mona]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

Come on, now. How y' all doing? Y' all good? Y' all good? Y' all good?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Button]

Turn this down for a minute. Make sure y' all like. I don't want to lose y' all out Here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the car right now.

[Joe Button]

Oh, New York City, New York City and you know it's true don't you.

[Mona]

Think I'm good enough.

[Joe Button]

For you?

[Mona]

Lose your button, you take my love.

[Joe Button]

And I'm willing There's no limit to.

[Mona]

The love I'm giving E girl.

[Joe Button]

Hey, yummy. And I'm a sicko. I'm giving y' all my gym playlist.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Button]

What type of slow ass gym would be anymore? Listen, man, I need to calm the nerves.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He doing this in slow motion in the gym.

[Flip]

Sit down, stick on the incline to Michelle.

[Joe Button]

A.

[Parks]

What?

[Joe Button]

I'm here for you out there. If your parents never played nothing like.

[Flip]

This.

[Joe Button]

I bought this single. Actually. Ladies, let me hear you out there. Wow. Something you should know.

[Mona]

The song is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We got a great.

[Joe Button]

Show lined up here. I promise. Oh, come on now.

[Parks]

Second Saturday morning music right here.

[Joe Button]

Come on now. Hit that Roomba. Y' all mean get up, get those clothes off the floor now. Come on, come on. Get that toothpaste out the bathroom sink that you left there all week. Come on now. You know better. Again. Shout out to the parents, the grandparents out there, wherever you might be listening from. Hey. Oh, come on now. Come on. Shout out to the dads out there listening. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was all we had.

[Joe Button]

Oh.

[Mona]

Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

God damn it. I love to be in the studio when they made this and this. When Quaalu is out, I think.

[Mona]

He.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was doing something right. Oh, wow.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Cuz I could have let that play for the next two and a half. Yeah, I mean, let me get these drops out the way. Keep the applause going for the best crew in the universe.

[Mona]

Real icy fish.

[Joe Button]

Who is that? It's Mark.

[Mona]

Don't sit right with me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And Flip and Mo.

[Mona]

Tricky Words is funny as. That's what I came up with.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Mona]

Tricky words is funny as Tricky Words was funny. That's what I say in that clip. Flip put it my drop. Can't be flipping muna. Come on, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It takes a second. It'll evolve.

[Joe Button]

And let's make it through the like the first contract. Let's make it pass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Make it pass my fourth.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking to mom. Yeah, yeah. Oh, well, at one point you said you didn't want one. I don't, I don't. Because yours is simple. It's the to flip. Game over.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Joe Button]

I'm good.

[Parks]

I think it should just be dolphin sounds. Exactly. That's the exact sound.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that.

[Flip]

That is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Counterpoint joint.

[Joe Button]

Look, our sound effect specialist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What episode is it?

[Parks]

872.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 872 of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Pitch. Prize Pitch gang. I'm your humble, gracious. Really happy to be here. Host here with some really amazing people to my right. Y' all know the fucking vibe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Boom.

[Joe Button]

Stop fucking playing before she. Boom. One of you niggas.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Huh?

[Joe Button]

Big. Big. Don't call her white girl. Mona in the building next to her. Queens get the money. Queens. Flip is in the building next to him. Big king wah wah. Mr. Thousand Doors and up. Big issues in the building. Come on. We clap.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Clap, old nigga.

[Joe Button]

They still get a clap. We happy to see you next to him. Next to him. The freeziest of them all, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got a section in the hookah lounge.

[Joe Button]

With three tubes, two pipes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I love you.

[Joe Button]

A low down and not working and not working out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Out.

[Flip]

No, no.

[Joe Button]

And now working out now. Wait, hold up. What happened now?

[Flip]

I'm in the gym. I'm working out now.

[Mona]

All right, let's go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You came in a little look a little. You was limping a little bit.

[Mona]

Yeah, I caught him fresh out. The car?

[Flip]

Nah, the gym bus.

[Parks]

What they got you doing in there?

[Joe Button]

Hit.

[Parks]

Oh, that's not easy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's that?

[Flip]

High intensity interval training.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's just hard.

[Flip]

Yeah, that is a monster.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You do it?

[Flip]

No, no.

[Mona]

What do you do that with a trainer? Ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's not a female trainer, right? It's a male.

[Flip]

No, I got to do it.

[Joe Button]

Is what your lady trainer got you doing in there now. All types of glutes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like what? All glutes. Like pelvic thrust. Thrust your pelvic lunges and thrust.

[Joe Button]

Baby cross training.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Only you would do. I'm going to your gym, too.

[Parks]

Front squats. Holy.

[Joe Button]

You a fool. Anyway, I'm glad you're in the gym now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How's it going? You went solo?

[Joe Button]

What you that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How's it going? You. You went solo?

[Joe Button]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get a crew?

[Flip]

No, no, I went started off solo, and then we both. Jody joined with me.

[Parks]

Y' all be matching.

[Joe Button]

No, no, I love freeze. That never works out. That's the same as buying a girl a dog.

[Flip]

Oh, no, I've already understood.

[Parks]

Yeah, I tried that.

[Joe Button]

Three days.

[Flip]

We only three days in. We just started this week and she's already damn near like.

[Joe Button]

All right. We could tell.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You good? I'm fine. I'm just saying your body. But anyway, so my results will show.

[Parks]

They will.

[Flip]

Summer body freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Take the before picture now.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Working out with your girls. It don't.

[Flip]

No, no. We're not like. She's over there.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Flip]

She's not like, right next to.

[Parks]

I tried that before.

[Mona]

It was great to work.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but we got. The track is on us still, right?

[Flip]

All right.

[Joe Button]

Where is the sauna, though?

[Flip]

I ain't got time to worry about nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm in that diet. You do not need a spotter for this.

[Joe Button]

And I gotta pick the spotter, yo, what you mean?

[Flip]

He said hello.

[Joe Button]

Hello. Hello. Freeze ain't playing. That's right. Freeze. Shout out to Freeze. Anyways, I'm glad Ice is in the gym.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's dope, man. That's great, man. Everybody up here is on a healthy vibe right now. That's good, man. I'm gonna stop bringing in the donuts and the fried chicken. Please do. We all good with that? Cause I want y' all complaining next weekend.

[Parks]

Yes. Let's get a juicer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[Parks]

I've been saying it for a long time.

[Mona]

Can you replace it with fresh tropical fruits?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, right, Sure. I bring in fruit every week.

[Mona]

I like mango and pineapple.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fruits and vegetables. Done.

[Joe Button]

What? Also here, Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Uhhuh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, come on.

[Joe Button]

Hey, Mark.

[Mona]

Power to the people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We back to do maintenance. Let's go. You got the same barber, Mark, as before?

[Joe Button]

As just. Is it one person doing the maintenance?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I see it. For the last. For the last, like, eight months. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's people, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Ian. Ian referred him in. Dunlap.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's the thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you said that.

[Mona]

How often do you get your haircut, Mark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It usually is once a week.

[Mona]

You. Oh, that's a lot. Usually people slow down, usually when they get a little older.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I, I now I have to do some hairline maintenance. So, you know, I mean, I do different things.

[Mona]

Are you the type that you get paid quick so you got to get a cut?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd be on error too much to not have it cut all the time. So I to try and do it. I'm using the little. The little. Y' all call it dye.

[Mona]

Beijing. We found it. Me and discovered the Beijing. We found it. It's your Beijing.

[Flip]

He got it. It's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's your Beijing. I use a mild hairline enhancer. Right here and right here.

[Mona]

People in the ghetto, that's Beijing.

[Joe Button]

We use the Beijing in the shoe.

[Mona]

Yeah, you know that, that come over here to the club and leave your pillow all black. That's smart.

[Parks]

He going in on the break and just touch it up.

[Joe Button]

When does it kick out in.

[Mona]

You can't do that with a bar.

[Joe Button]

He got the M. No peep peep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On the Wednesday, Friday. This should be great by Friday.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying. My barber ain't going to pull out all them little gadgets. They be trying sometimes to fool me about how I look while I look in the mirror. And he done pencil some and like. Oh, all right. And then by tonight, my back. That. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Flip]

Sorry.

[Mona]

Hold enhancements.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Nah.

[Flip]

Anyway, shit is worthless unless you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Into a photo shoot or to die.

[Flip]

Yeah, nigga, I' ma sweat in two hours.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I try to get it cut like Monday night for the Tuesday show. And that's when it looks sharp and then after that it's over. Cause I sweat and I train and.

[Mona]

Does your wife complain about the pillows?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I don't drip. I don't need nothing on the pillow.

[Mona]

No drip.

[Parks]

Okay. Tmi, it worked.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Parks is in the building.

[Joe Button]

Big Parks is in the building. PO is here. Corey is. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cory ain't got the smile today, though. She gave him a cold. She. She. She read him his rights today. She got.

[Flip]

She got him straight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She got him right. She got my came to understanding.

[Joe Button]

My man is up in here. He might be able to make this year's couple's trip. Psych your mind don't bring that new chick out. Bring a little new chick out. Yeah, they looking good, bro. What next?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Smoke break talk? That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Joe Button]

You know Cory crazy Cory. I will kick you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He might not make the Halloween party.

[Joe Button]

I'm not playing. Well, I. I'll speak to him. You better lucky I ain't know that in the gym. You lucky I ain't know that in the gym. Don't worry, I'll get him together real quick.

[Mona]

It's a Halloween party.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying N. I ain't no Halloween. You ain't missing nothing.

[Joe Button]

Halloween's a Friday.

[Parks]

Yeah, we're dressing up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Button]

It is a Halloween party.

[Parks]

Yeah, we're going to do the monster Mash.

[Mona]

No house like that either. It's a lot of Halloween lovers out there.

[Joe Button]

I mean, yeah, but I still ordered my little Elon Musk mask. Now, I don't think it'll scary. I don't think it'll be here in time, but you going whenever you get here. I don't care if it don't come Halloween Cyber green.

[Parks]

You wear that? Whatever.

[Joe Button]

Come here. You know, my girl still got her Christmas tree up. For real. She one of those last year. I know somebody got. And I cannot stop judging her about it. I can't get it out my house.

[Flip]

A fake one.

[Parks]

That was a fight in my house for a long time.

[Mona]

Of course it's fake.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, of course. Yeah, but it's like a 12 foot fake one.

[Parks]

My girl, we want to leave.

[Flip]

That ain't easy to take down. Well, that's part of the house now. Yeah, it's a decoration, but I can't stop.

[Joe Button]

I can't get out my hand.

[Flip]

That is a production.

[Mona]

That's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just pay somebody to do it.

[Flip]

Too late now.

[Mona]

Ain't no shit down. It makes no sense.

[Flip]

We saw some new candy canes and garland on that.

[Joe Button]

We early. Is it still decoration?

[Mona]

Change it.

[Joe Button]

She said she's gonna put some new decorations on it, too.

[Parks]

Does she change the decorations for like now it's a Valentine's Day tree and now it's a fourth of July Thanksgiving tree.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. We don't. We don't.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

Oh, God. I'll find out. Anywho, listen, we got a really great show lined up for y' all today, boy. We got a panel that is eager experts to give their opinion on some of what's been going on out there. That's true. No, honestly, I could tell today. Don't do it now. Don't do it. Don't. Don't. Y' all mute your faces up now. We was killing. We was killing for 45 minutes with our honest opinions. But, you know, now Mike's tricky. They on. They on. All right, so where do y' all want to start?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't but one place to start, and that's the NBA. Yesterday was one of the. Maybe the worst days in league history as far as public relations goes and maybe long term business goes. Several NBA players were arrested. The FBI has made it very clear they've launched a gambling investigation, an illegal gambling investigation into several NBA players. Chauncey Billups, coach and former hall of Fame player, was arrested. Terry Rozier was arrested. Damon Jones was arrested. And a whole bunch of other people not in the NBA or connected were also arrested in regards to two separate cases. One. One was about an illegal poker game or a ring of illegal poker games where people were being brought or NBA players were alleged to be brought in as the kind of the face of this. And then people were basically tricked and robbed of their money. Not literally robbed, but Tricked through cheating. Cheated eyewear. Yeah, exactly. Eyewear, card counters, it didn't work, et cetera. And then there's the second piece, which is maybe, no, definitely more dangerous to the league, which is the allegation that players are revealing information or otherwise being involved in prop bet scams. So releasing information that affects betting, checking themselves out of games, faking injuries, you know, all these things that will affect the gambling lines. Right. For prop bets in particular. So not like who wins or loses, but the over under on certain kinds of. Certain kinds of gambling. So that's the scandal and it's rocking the sports world right now for a lot of reasons.

[Mona]

Can I ask you a question? So the first part, when you said they use them as the face. So how I take that is they're using a famous NBA player to say, hey, come play with us and you can play with. And that's like that. And then they cheat him out there.

[Flip]

LeBron. And I don't want to say nobody's name, but if you go and market it, you'll say like somebody popular like, yo, such and such is going to be there or this person's. They be all gambling in the spot. So that's going to bring common motherfuckers that want to be around the celebrities.

[Joe Button]

The report said center centered around retired NBA players. So this is not just like, hey, let's move. Running the Chauncey's game. Like there are a few retired players said to be involved in this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. And it's important to note because the Mafia, organized crime has been implicated in this as well. Yes, they have. Gambino family, Lucchese family, some other families have been publicly named by the FBI. And so the idea is that the games are connected to the Mafia. I think that's important to note because I see a lot of black faces on camera.

[Joe Button]

I'm about to say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I ain't seen mob member, not one. Yeah, so that's another piece of this. And for the Chauncey thing, there's some.

[Joe Button]

You're going over too much shit we want to talk about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Button]

Some of this shit is important. Bring out fucking Ricky Donatolioni.

[Mona]

Come on, come on.

[Joe Button]

Hey, y' all saying it's Mafia related. I believe you.

[Flip]

I want to see John bring him out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I want to see John bring out Tommy Noonan, whatever his name is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bring them all out. I love how y' all hear my feet all go Italian.

[Mona]

The way they put them on the news would be different anyway. They're gonna use stars first, not Named Lucchese.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I know.

[Flip]

Not named Gambi. This thing of hours.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And if you know the history of gambling.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

That's their lane. Lane. They stepped in their lane then.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. So don't just come showing me the. The black faces, the fall guys. I think this is one of the. A few things could be true. Yes. Some black faces involved. And I want to see them, too.

[Parks]

It's pretty ironic that they used NBA players to lure in the marks, and the FBI is also using the NBA players to bring all the awareness to it. You know what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's why the story kind of starts even before this. To me, what is. What is everyone's opinion on Cash Fatality?

[Mona]

Hell.

[Joe Button]

Come on. Come on.

[Flip]

I don't really know what to make of it. Me personally.

[Joe Button]

He's the fucking influencer guy or whoever, podcaster guy, whoever he is, that Trump put to be the. That Trump appointed to be the head of.

[Parks]

He, like a lot of Trump appointees don't really seem like they have the credentials to have the positions that they have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's for sure.

[Flip]

He does not.

[Joe Button]

And. And for me, that ties into somehow this happening on opening day or.

[Parks]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Button]

Or opening week.

[Parks]

I don't think that this was.

[Joe Button]

It's not happening.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's coordinated. You didn't just find out about Chauncey and Damon John Two year investigation.

[Flip]

They've been announced.

[Joe Button]

Okay, cool. But Chauncey. Y' all allowed Chauncey Billups, all parties involved allowed Chance Chauncey Billups to coach opening night. True. And y' all allowed Terry Rozier, who the NBA had already investigated, to be at Game 1 in Orlando. So I start there. I mean, I start there. I'm not saying that these brothers are not guilty of what they're accused of. I don't know. But doing that opening week, and these people are federally.

[Mona]

This is a federal case, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So. So, oh, yeah. This is the FBI probe. And this gets complicated. Cause I don't doubt that they've done some of the things they're alleged to do. The question is whether those things are illegal or not. So, for example, if I, as an NBA coach, say to my friend, yo, I'm resting Dame Lillard today, don't tell nobody. And then they tell somebody and it gets to the gambler, or I tell the gambler, but I'm not telling them for any monetary purpose. It might violate the league rule, but that's not illegal. Bigger than that.

[Flip]

You'll know, like an hour before game Time. That dame ain't gonna play.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? Like, so it's just in that example you gave. It's a time thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Flip]

Because if I know five hours before that dame not gonna play, then I could put.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is what he's alleged to have done.

[Flip]

I could put some shit in my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's alleged to have done it. Cause the league has tightened its reporting because of gambling. Because of legal gambling, they've tightened their injury reporting. You can't hold it out to the end of the day. You never would. Supposed to. But as a form of gamesmanship, sometimes you wouldn't let the other team know that you're wrestling your guy or that you're not wrestling your guy. But now the league is like, no. Every hour or every few hours, we're checking in to make sure that you report when somebody's injured to prevent people from. From putting a thumb on the scale on the betting thing. So if you're secretly telling somebody something for that purpose. Same thing with the poker games. You know, again, the league don't really care about poker, dog.

[Joe Button]

These cases were flagged by the gambling association. Yeah, they flagged them, but it wasn't. It was them saying, hey, there's unusual activity here, fishy. Yes, we have loads of money in the final hour. Coming in on a nondescript play. Miami Heat game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

This is unusual activity. Someone could lose their job if this is not reported.

[Flip]

And it was a. It was. It was a case where. In the Miami Heat case, where one guy had put in like 400 bets.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

On one other on a player. Like, that's unusual. And it's gonna. Let me read this.

[Joe Button]

Rogier is accused of manipulating his stats and performance to benefit illegal gamblers when he was a member of the Charlotte hornets during a March 23, 2023 game against the New Orleans Pelicans. Charlotte traded Rozier to the heat in January 2024. Prior to the March 23rd game, a flurry of bets from professional gambit handlers were placed on the under on Rozier's points, rebounds, pardon me, and assists. Sportsbooks flagged the suspicious activity and halted prop bets on Rozier's performance in the game. So this was a big deal.

[Flip]

It was.

[Mona]

And that's what caught people's eye to even make it a thing. That's what made him start investing.

[Joe Button]

It was a couple of years ago. Rogier is alleged to have told the gamblers he'd exit the March 23rd game early. In turn, they placed around 200, 200,000 on his under totals. They would later split the winnings with the Hornets guard Rozier, who averaged 35.3 minutes per game and 21.1 points per game that season, exited the game after 10 minutes citing a foot injury.

[Mona]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

His stats that game were five points, four rebounds, two assists.

[Mona]

Damn sloppy with that.

[Joe Button]

And that is.

[Flip]

That's it.

[Joe Button]

Per Complex Sports, the insider trading scandal of the NBA.

[Flip]

And see to your point, like that scandal there, that's him saying, yo, I'm checking out. Ain't no coach know that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Flip]

I'm. They think I'm fine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I'm checking out. Nine, ten minutes into the game. So whatever the line is, picked the under.

[Joe Button]

Yep.

[Flip]

After a certain amount of time, it's gonna count.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And then with the count the money at someone. Someone's house as well.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mona]

I may not know the ins and out of basketball, but I know how the feds work. They don't indict until they ready and they don't lose. They got like a 97, 98 conviction. So if they get information, they look crazy automatically looking for informants, people that's going to tell. So they already have everybody that's giving up, which how they do it. Because that's the only way you'll know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They got a ton of.

[Mona]

The only way. Like how y' all talking about how it's iffy. And the only way you'll know for sure is for say, no, I was with him. He already said, Look, 10 minutes, I'm coming out there. You know what I mean? Said, look, we gonna wanna. We're gonna go get steak. Cause we ain't gonna be playing all night. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's why I think it's safe.

[Joe Button]

To assume that under the Trump administration, you may see agencies act in a manner that you haven't seen them before. Yeah.

[Flip]

A thousand percent. That's what I think this is. So where the. Where the law. People that are supposed to be abiding by the laws start to become criminals to make their cases.

[Mona]

Why not?

[Flip]

We see it with ice every day.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now just.

[Joe Button]

Well, now it looks like. I'm sorry, Mark. Well, now it looks like. And this is hyperbolic for me. Right. But it does kind of feel like. Like Trump has something to pick with sports now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

In football, where he already told him, yo, I'm to your biggest event gambling. What is how. Tell me more.

[Flip]

Because this ain't about sports. It's about gambling more so than sports. Think he's a Casino.

[Joe Button]

Well, him saying I'm sending ice to the super bowl had nothing to do with gambling.

[Mona]

Right. It's just nasty.

[Joe Button]

That's another shit. Yeah, yeah, that. I'm taking your biggest event, and I'm gonna find a way to put this nondescript or covert agency down there to kind of it up and divert attention, yada, yada, yada, yada. Y. I asked y' all not to put that Spanish speaking up there. Y' all did it anyway. See, with the Kaepernick knowing nothing, it felt like, okay, the NFL is locking step with Trump. Right. That's how it felt. This one don't really feel like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So just as a matter of law, and I know it's not true, but. But as a matter of law, the president is not supposed to impact the FBI at all.

[Flip]

At all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The president has no control over the FBI.

[Joe Button]

Oh, let's not be dumb.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. I want. No, no. I'm not saying this to be naive. I'm saying this to say I want people to know that Trump is also violating the law by doing.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If Donald Trump is in fact putting his thumb on the scale or impacting the FBI investigation, the FBI director reports to the Attorney General, not to the President. And while the president can fire an attorney General or appoint attorney General, he is directly not supposed to have any control over investigations. So if Donald Trump is saying, go investigate the NBA, we need to be investigating Donald Trump. That's all I want to know.

[Joe Button]

That's all I want. But again, I'm investigating Donald Trump for many, many imagine, for many reasons. It's important to say it. That's why. Thank you you for saying it. But New York is going through that now with Donald Trump. Like, how you know, how we don't know what time it is. He's using his power to thug thug states into doing what the fuck he want. Why am I to think it only stops there?

[Flip]

And Trump is putting his people in position. So the people that's supposed to invest in.

[Joe Button]

And you voted for. I know I will not. I'm not getting into it again. But. Yeah, but I don't believe. Believe some of y' all that's now trying to do the about face.

[Mona]

Crazy. Crazy.

[Joe Button]

Like, what did y' all think?

[Flip]

And I came in here and said, yo, dog, I don't give a about neither one of them as candidates. It's about the Cabinet.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Flip]

The Cabinet matters. And that's what I've been preaching. It's about the appointees are the Cabinet like yo dog, that matters to me more than the face of the other party. Like that shit is dumb.

[Joe Button]

But let's get back. Come on, let's get back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's get back to it. And it's important to note this has, this is allegedly a two year investigation. Investigation which would have started under Biden.

[Joe Button]

Oh, then you could have did this in August.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why.

[Joe Button]

Then you could have did this in July.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Unless they just got a key snitch.

[Joe Button]

Oh, stop it.

[Mona]

Well actually not just the people that real fast. Not just the people that voted from the people that didn't vote at all. All of y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mona]

Yeah, because we're.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's an important point.

[Mona]

I will be in the house when it starts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The these two cases overlap too because some people are wondering why the poker and the basketball comes out at the same time. There are a few theories about it, but talking to people behind the scenes, the dominant theory from law enforcement is, and I think they have some evidence of this, is that you get jammed up on one thing, right. Say you go and play poker and you get burnt and now you owe a whole lot of money to them people. What they can say is here's how you get it back.

[Flip]

You want to make it up, Play balls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Make them phone calls.

[Flip]

Gotcha.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're an active player or a former player. Call the coach and find out who's playing or not.

[Mona]

Who wouldn't be more willing than a. That got burnt.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly, exactly.

[Flip]

Because my thing I didn't understand. That's a good point. Because I didn't understand why even the poker games held that much weight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

My have under underground poker games everywhere around the nation.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? So why.

[Joe Button]

Well, but many of them are illegal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Almost all of them. But the issue is these are, these.

[Flip]

Aren'T just federal investigations that raised this many.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's why though. It's two things. One is that these are directly tied to crime families. And so they're investigating the mafia and then investigating the mafia. They found out about these things. They're like, oh wait a minute. Allegedly Chauncey Billups was there. Wait, allegedly. What's Chauncey Billups relationship to this? And so then they start it was playing pieces of backwards from the mafia this way.

[Parks]

I think an important thing too in this is that obviously these are high stakes poker games, obviously with people with a lot of fucking money. And it's not just like they're playing poker and losing. They're being scammed and cheated.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Parks]

So you got A bunch of pissed off very rich people that's gonna spur the fucking.

[Joe Button]

And that's how you could tell the difference. So I heard the difference from the Mafia ran poker games and the black poker games. Like the black poker games they playing. They electric sliding over there. They got the Street Fighter in there. It's also a kitchen. They cooking some chop. They were. Hey, when times were hard, we was trying to be in that. When he was trying to be in that little poker, poker life. A lot to learn.

[Flip]

No, but it's still even on a high stakes side. You can go to New York City if you in the know and get a high stakes poker game that's underground. I'm sure you could go to LA, Chicago, D.C. and get a high stakes poker game. What is going to trigger the federal investigation piece was a little weird for me. Not just that the feds don't give a fuck if you getting cheated at an underground poker game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And even this NBA, frankly, they don't give a.

[Joe Button]

It depends on who's getting cheated, what their relationships are. If certain, if certain poker houses are running 50 million to a hundred million dollars, no taxes, then we're coming in there, they want their money, we're coming in there.

[Parks]

Are very rich people, AKA very powerful people got relationships.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't know who's in those games.

[Flip]

My man is a FBI agent or something. All right, that's what y' all look. And y' all scamming and now you know, yo, you've been scammed too. You've been scammed. All right, I can make a call.

[Mona]

Do y' all think it can go violent? Like they'll start dropping witnesses and.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they beat some people up. They said, they said the FBI put some hands. Not the FBI, the mob family. When they wasn't getting paid back their money. Yeah, that was one of the big things was that there was, there was people having pressure applied on them to stay involved with the poker games as well, to keep luring people in.

[Joe Button]

Let me. I'm sorry, I do want to play a small clip of. Of poker player Matt Berkey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah, I heard that one.

[Joe Button]

Who told the story about what he had heard about Chauncey Billows poker games. This from an old podcast in 2023. Let me fast forward a little bit because I think it starts around game. And the person who told me about it was like, look, I know the game runners. I'm telling you one. Oh, here we go, here we go. Let me bring that back. She's bad. Okay, let's Let this play for a second. Of a lot of stories about it, there's one that cropped up. This must have been like five years ago, 2019ish, I think four years ago, where there was this game. It started in LA and then it came to Vegas for a few days. And it was all built around Chauncey buildups. And I had heard about the game and the person who told me about it was like, look, I know the game runners. I'm telling you 100%, this game is on the up and up. I was like, well, I know a lot of people that are involved, and I'm telling you 100 that it is not on the up and up. Yeah. And you know, we kind of went back and forth and I agreed that like, I just wasn't gonna go play it, but I, I had some friends who went and played it both in LA and in Vegas. And it obviously, like, was for sure confirmed to be cheating. Like, people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of no Limit hold' Em are just like jamming hundreds of big blinds in with like a gutty and then just drilling it. Only the pros are losing. Like, how is it figured out? That's the other thing about when the game is rigged. You gotta not make it look like it's real.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So for the, that know the dudes and the don'ts in poker and know the math, you know, and you just doing some bullshit that don't even make sense.

[Parks]

This is where they fucked up, is playing with people that actually know the fucking game. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

Like, like, yo, just hit that 19.

[Joe Button]

Right, right, right. Yeah.

[Flip]

Nah, that's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And that's basically what was happening. And it was a very elaborate operation. It was, it was at least three people at that table every time that were involved in it. There's the, the technology to observe it. There's the car counters, the glasses, all that.

[Joe Button]

That's where they started fucking my head up. I'm not gonna hold you.

[Parks]

X ray table.

[Joe Button]

X ray. X ray poker tables.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But they also had calculations to know who most likely had what card. And then they were sending that to a place outside of the poker room. And then that information was being sent back to a person on a device sitting at the table. That person was called the quarterback. And so the quarterback who sat at the table was directing traffic and then signaling to the other people at the table what to do when the, when the fall, when, you know, etc.

[Joe Button]

Etc. That's unbelievable.

[Flip]

You never seen this With Kevin Spacey.

[Joe Button]

Right Rounders.

[Flip]

No, Kevin Spacy. He was a mathematician.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did see.

[Flip]

He taught at MIT. 21. And it was a true. It was based around a true story. But these was mathematicians. Yeah, these is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was real good.

[Flip]

Amazing movie.

[Mona]

I watched the documentary about the real people.

[Flip]

That's a Great Story from 21.

[Joe Button]

Any movie about the Vegas and cars I watch.

[Mona]

They was smart as shit. Just traveling together, got together on some.

[Flip]

Smart shit and they were signaling each other.

[Mona]

How's your math, Mark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's solid, but it's not special.

[Mona]

Fuck it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just probably the strongest mad person up here. I think the NBA did the best that they could in damage control. Yesterday I watched people hit the airwaves and say things like, this is not a big scandal for the crisis. This is not going to rock. Brian Windhoard said, this is not going to rock. Rock the foundation of the NBA. I think he's either lying or wrong, but either way, that's not true. This is a big deal. This is going to change how people understand you can't have gambling if people don't have faith in the system. And this is going to shake people's faith in the system. People already, after the Donaghy scandal years ago with the referee, had questions. Now these raise more questions, you know what I mean, about players. Because it's not just about prop bets. If I know that my player on my team is willing to fake an injury to leave for whatever reason, that makes me lose faith in the game itself.

[Mona]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So the league is going to have to crack down, in my opinion. I have a few thoughts on it, but I think at the very least, they're going to have to reimagine what it means for players to be involved in gambling. I think gambling is fine. I think fans should be able to bet on games. I think retired people should be able to bet on games. But as an active player, I don't know if you should be involved with it at all. And there's another thing that the NBA has to be responsible for. And this might sound. Y' all might disagree on this, but the culture of tanking. Two years ago, they tanked for Wemby. A lot of teams were tanking to get Victor Wembanyama. I'm from Philadelphia. We spent five years. The process was all about.

[Joe Button]

That's not. I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, just hear me out. Just hear me out.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if that's. I can't say the spurs tanks for Wimby. I can't say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying the spurs did.

[Mona]

Other teams did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Portland did in particular.

[Joe Button]

Oh, there was tanking going on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm just talking about the Spurs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no, I'm not saying the sport. I'm saying that people taking was having.

[Joe Button]

Health problems like they was fucked up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but when you start strategically, but when you know one more loss will get you to win. Binyama.

[Joe Button]

And I don't want to hear this from you at all.

[Parks]

I'm from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm from the tanking capital of the world. That's my point. But, but, but here's the problem. If you normalize a culture where teams are intentionally not doing all they can to win, it becomes a slippery slope between me saying I'm going to rest my three best players for the last five games so that I can get three more lottery balls than saying that I, I'm. I'm playing in on a prop bet scheme. I mean, it's.

[Flip]

It's a same thing.

[Joe Button]

This is Adam S. I agree. I agree with what you're saying too. This is Adam Silver's first real crisis to me. Yes, it is. Yeah, it is. This is the first. It's a huge. It's a huge one.

[Parks]

It was bound to happen with the proliferation of legal gambling. Like.

[Joe Button]

And that's the thing. That's really just what it is, is see, the NBA was rocked with that whole Tim Donaghy. But the difference here is now you done took it out to just the ref's hands.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Button]

The refs still was kind of a controlled. A controlled thing they had.

[Flip]

But so much power you putting it in.

[Joe Button]

In the hands of the players. Also. The other thing about this is you're not fooling a savvy sports fan. Unfortunately. I've been coming in here talking about some of these football games that look fun, some of these questionable calls where the line is six and a half and now a plate, it didn't matter. Changes the. You swinging too much money one direction. Yeah. In basketball, Chauncey Billups lineups have been in question for a little while. Like from people that are watching basketball games where he just won't play people for a whole half that he's supposed to play. You take out the star in a close game. Like people have been saying this about him. So there's some other people that shall remain nameless that looking at them, just their reactions on the bench.

[Flip]

Yeah, we saw it's going.

[Joe Button]

So it's not like you could do a good job of keeping this covert anyway to Mark's point, bro.

[Flip]

They showed Cast out the bag. They showed the game with rosier.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Them rosier low lights was hilarious though, bro.

[Flip]

It wasn't even funny.

[Joe Button]

See, but my question is this. And this is just the part that I'm having trouble with. We talking about people that make really great money. And that's that.

[Flip]

That's the hard part for me. If they was making two or three or four million dollars and the owners were making. Yeah, a zillion dollars, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I would be like, yo, I ain't mad, bro. Some of these make 30 and 40. Cool million dollars, bro.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Flip]

I have an opportunity here. I tell my peoples, yo, put whatever you got on the under. Cool. I'm coming out the game. Nobody knows it. You gonna get great odds. It might not even be for me. I'm looking out for y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's often what. That's. One of the allegations is that they're doing it for the homies.

[Flip]

Stay here. I'm doing it for the homies, right? Yeah. And y' all know how I feel about some of this stuff, right? Right, my nigga. But now you are risking your kids and your family's well being for the homies to get a come up, up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, the part we missing is that gambling is an addiction.

[Mona]

That's what it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the other piece of it. But gamblers, we're missing that people are addicted to this. So no matter how much money you have, you're going to.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Parks]

The factor with some of this stuff, especially the Chauncey stuff, I don't think is necessarily attached to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What if he borrowed money from the mob for whatever reason and he has to pay them back? Or he just lost it in poker games. Alleged. Again, we don't know this part based on information we know. I just want to remind the audience, we do know that the feds are alleging that the poker games and his NBA activities are connected. So that is a logical inference. Something happened in one of them things that made him more susceptible to the other thing.

[Flip]

I could see how they was running this game because if we could cheat, we could get this professional nigga in here with a. He got three kings. I'm all in. Cause I know I got this hand in the bag. But these niggas is in there cheating. And now you sitting over there with a full house. You get what I'm saying? Like, and now you owe me $7 million. Now what? You owe me $3.4 million, $3.5 million. You don't wanna pay me Cool. I need you to do this over here and you could work your money off. I understand it. I'm just saying from the player's perspective, these niggas make a lot of money, bro. It's an obscene amount of money. Money I don't even see. You could pay him, agree?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

You could put your homie on. You can help him start a business like this.

[Flip]

And shout out to Chauncey, Chauncey, stand up. I ain't talking about him.

[Joe Button]

Like, yeah, the story involves people that I I with a lot. Like Chauncey, that's stand up, man. That's Chauncey. Stop playing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Did everybody make bell the same day? Like go in and come out?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Billups and Scary Terry made. Made Bill Damon Jones, man, when he was on the heat.

[Flip]

Heat.

[Joe Button]

I think he was on heat. Anyway, we was in Miami. He was back in mother. Whatever year that was. I was broke as hell, just walking around in some baggy shorts. Miami chicks. But Damon Jones would show you a good time. I can't say nothing bad about him. I can't say nothing bad about them Miami Heat. When you come to town and listen, what you want me to say, but because I know, of course, like, hey, yo, what's wrong? I can't say it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But.

[Parks]

Of course.

[Joe Button]

Duh, of course. Hey, if Ish could go make a quick 10, 15 million on knowing whether I'm coming to the next pod or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not.

[Joe Button]

Tell me what y' all think. I think he would do, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

And I wouldn't be mad. Yo, as the not coming to the podcast.

[Mona]

What?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, throw extra three on there for me, right? Got a stomach ache this week.

[Flip]

I ain't, I ain't.

[Joe Button]

I ain't coming. I can't say nothing bad about Damon Jones.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's.

[Joe Button]

I think that's hate. If the mafia get to have their own gambling houses and let us have ours. Yeah. Even if it's tied to.

[Mona]

But let it be recogn. Don't cheat people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just don't cheat people.

[Flip]

The funny part in that, yo, we know all, all it's a two year investigation. Y' all know that the mafia is behind it. Why only making the news is these black ball players, right? If y' all are running a two.

[Mona]

Year investigation, you don't know Vinny Looskavaski.

[Flip]

Still walk his ass out in the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Front of the media and say his name at least.

[Joe Button]

Or at least go to Staten island and try.

[Mona]

I can't believe a bunch of black men are like, why are they putting the black Man. Cause they niggas like, that's why, like, of course they gonna be the ones. And they're famous successful niggas. They love to do that to people like that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, well, we can't let unjustice go unheard, Mona. Boom. We have to say it even though it's over there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you doing to the. You can never bet the fourth, Joe.

[Mona]

Oh, okay. Power to the people, Joe. What's up, black man?

[Joe Button]

We back to do maintenance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you'll see him next year. The thing we do been doing the last couple weeks is like fix our business. The NBA is not broken. But if you're the NBA right now, what do you do to make sure that you don't get broken? If you're the NBA, what's the next best move you can make?

[Joe Button]

Third party, third party company. Just like baseball did with steroids. You got to bring in a third party arbitrator to keep. Keep you clean and keep what you knew, what you didn't know. Somebody else got to come in big. Big company. Big company, big attorneys, big lawyers. They say that it's only four teams that are in question right this very second. I should find out what those teams are.

[Mona]

Fire everybody.

[Flip]

Ted Wells is coming.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You just got to investigate. Investigate. The teams need investigating.

[Mona]

Give out free.

[Flip]

Clean it out. Honestly, I. I don't want to say this, but the penalties got to be severe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree. Like lifetime ban type.

[Joe Button]

I'm not lifetime band.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's how baseball did it.

[Joe Button]

They didn't do it for Otani. Yeah.

[Flip]

At all.

[Joe Button]

Otani rules is in effect. If certain names pop up around here.

[Flip]

That's affecting fact.

[Joe Button]

Otani. Otani got to do what he want. And we didn't talk about if that was the greatest game that we've ever seen that he had that game a couple weeks ago. For real. What do you have? 10 strikeouts, 10 strikeouts, three home runs, two hits, three home runs. Three for three. Three for three. Three home runs. If somebody could do that, then you said three for three. Three for three. Three home runs. Three home runs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And pitch 10 strikeouts.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The only thing close is probably baby Ruth probably 100 years ago.

[Joe Button]

Man, you could take that to the nearest taco stand. That baby.

[Flip]

Babe Roof wasn't on tv. We don't know what they said.

[Joe Button]

Babe Roof was doing that against the Plumber. I don't want to hear nothing. It wasn't but four teams when Babe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ruth was out and nobody was black people bat against a black person.

[Mona]

Mark, have you ever heard that favor was secretly A yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my other theory.

[Joe Button]

I'm down to get 10. Foley, I heard it too.

[Parks]

He's been around for a while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he looks negroidy.

[Mona]

He couldn't have said he was a white guy.

[Flip]

He got that nose.

[Mona]

One thing I want to say about this sports, I feel like a lot of people feel like it that they cheat. And I think a lot of people stop watching it just because of that. Because you know, sports lover, you don't want to watch some where you can't bank on if going to win or not. I think that that's not for nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what's going to happen because it changes the way you look at the game. Opening night, right to Mona's point. Opening night, Houston is playing. Watch the game. Houston was playing okc. KD calls timeout very clearly with no timeouts left. Did you all see this?

[Flip]

It wasn't as clear as when they showed it again on the replay. It was not as clear. He caught the ball and was like on timeout to me and they had no more time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But here's my point. I'm not. I love kd. This ain't about kd. This is about if I start to watch the NBA thinking that they cheat like Mona said, now I'm looking at that. I'm not giving the rest the benefit of the doubt. Now I'm like. Now I'm like, oh, wait a minute. And you don't want people looking at your product that way. Because I actually don't think. I think it was an honest play. I think they just. The refs missed it and on the whatever. But like if that same thing happens tomorrow.

[Flip]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The audience is looking at that play.

[Mona]

And I'm thinking of it in a way like this. This is a little clip. This guy went viral. He's leaving some game. I don't want to say because I don't want you to feel away. But they don't win a lot, the jets or something, I don't know. But he's a kid and he looks really sad. And the guy asked him like, how do you feel about the Jets? I think it was the jets. And he was like, I was born into this team, I hate this team or whatever. But even that, like the fact that you know you a Jet fan, cuz your father Jet fan and your grandfather Jeff, like, like that, that will change. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Nick game the other day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah, y' all won a game.

[Joe Button]

Congrats.

[Flip]

What you there go.

[Mona]

I never been to A baseball game.

[Flip]

Before this might be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you.

[Mona]

Or football. I want to go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got. I got season tickets to the Sixes. I got you.

[Mona]

Thank you, Mark. I think they give away them tickets on the subway.

[Flip]

No, no, no.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yo.

[Mona]

Chill out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, man, stop doing that. Said they out of here.

[Flip]

That n. Said they put them tickets.

[Joe Button]

Get out of the cheesesteak order.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't invite her no more.

[Mona]

They give out the tickets, but no, I want to go, Marcus. I do. I never been to a G. I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can get better seats for you, but.

[Mona]

I think so he could invite me to the Knick, but it didn't work.

[Joe Button]

Whatever. Yeah, and then you got some bum ass Sixers tickets.

[Mona]

I mean, that look jumping and Knicks.

[Flip]

Could be stars and N depend on who they playing.

[Joe Button]

I go to the Knick game the other day. Ed Sharon is sitting right in front of me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't say you put it on. He put it on his ig.

[Mona]

He definitely did. With heart, eyes, selfie show all his team.

[Flip]

Yo, what's up with you?

[Joe Button]

Well, and I. Well, since it's joke on Joe time, I'll join that. And I asked for a picture.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I could tell.

[Mona]

We knew already. Did anybody in this room think asked him?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Mr. Joe, can I get a picture with you, bro?

[Flip]

What's your name? Ed Sheeran is a hip hop head, yo. Joe Biden.

[Parks]

It's possible.

[Joe Button]

That's why I'm letting them joke. That's why I'm letting them get their jokes, cuz it's funny. I don't want to step on it, but Ed Sharon, for that entire game, just kept telling me how huge of a podcast fan he is currently. And the old iteration from day one and yada, yada, yada and all that stuff. It's cool. But some of the small talk was he was like, yo, do you watch soccer? And I said, no. And he said, well, I would tell you about my team, but they're not really good. And then I said, oh, that must suck. And then he said, well, you're a Knick fan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you feel me?

[Joe Button]

Touche. All right, Sharon, I see what you did. That's funny, son. Buddy. But we won that game. And we'll get back to whatever the we was talking about. But we won that game. And y' all know I was leaving early, of course.

[Flip]

Of course.

[Joe Button]

But apparently my whole section knows it too now. And some of the people that work there and they know the curse because the second I stood up, stupid assaulted. Cause we was up double digits and Then it was a close game and I stood up and they said oh nobody.

[Mona]

What's the curse?

[Joe Button]

He leaves early lose, I leave the game. But we be what started is the playoffs where I left the game early and then Naismith of The Pacers hit like 23s in the last four minutes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the last 18 and we lost.

[Joe Button]

A game that nobody sucked the whole air out of the building. So it's like a Joe Budden curse. Now the game I go to to is the game that we're going to lose in dramatic.

[Mona]

Are you still selfish and you leave early?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm leaving, I'm leaving but I. But I stay longer this for you because the whole section I'm talking about every nothing but Jewish people like Joe sit your ass.

[Flip]

I said oh.

[Joe Button]

Anyway that's so funny.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Joe Button]

Oh no, it was pretty funny. Go Nick.

[Mona]

Shout dad.

[Joe Button]

Sharon and child dad. Yeah. I bet you asked for the picture.

[Parks]

You do? You did.

[Joe Button]

I did ask that picture Gretchen.

[Parks]

No shame.

[Joe Button]

No, I'm not ashamed of it either.

[Mona]

He looks exactly the same. That don't age. He might be a droid. How old is he?

[Parks]

I don't still his 30s I think.

[Flip]

Even if he young, he been out.

[Mona]

For a long right. He hasn't changed at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He looks great.

[Joe Button]

He got that money where. Yeah, it might not even been him.

[Mona]

That's what I said.

[Flip]

And they got lippids, his skin and.

[Joe Button]

All types of money ceremony is different. God damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, gambling aside, are we excited about the NBA season?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I haven't been this excited in a while for NBA season. Not just because my six undefeated but because it's so much good young talent, you know, watching SGA kill the first two games watching look like an MVP candidate. He looked like a problem on opening night.

[Flip]

The games have been close. Yeah, I think, I think it's so far it's going to be more parody with the games. Even in the NFL season. A lot of these NFL games have been amazing. You know they've been amazing so I'm looking forward to it.

[Joe Button]

Since that women YANA game, I ain't heard a peep about a Cooper flag, an American flag, flag, football flag, none of that. I ain't heard of. I ain't heard nothing about a flag since that game. I felt so bad for Cooper flag man. Right. Like imagine your first game and you got to go against this 7 foot 5 Martian who spent his whole summer with Hakeem Olaju on Jamal Crawford. He went. Oh, he went over there to do The Monk, like. And you got to see him. You just was at Duke.

[Flip]

The White Dog, he went to a monastery. Like a real martial arts monk spot.

[Parks]

Oh, he's trying to get his cream shit, I guess.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's working.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Literally, it's working. Last year, I think, only somewhere, I think, was it 40% of his shots were in the paint last year, in the preseason, he's already up to 70%. He's using his size advantage to make more efficient shots. But at the top of the key.

[Joe Button]

He'S looked, he's torched Derrick Lively. Yo, Derrick Lively and Anthony Davis. They didn't. I'm sorry.

[Parks]

7 foot 5 and athletic. Like, it's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, he handles right. He handles what you can do.

[Flip]

Hit him with the in and out, cross, cross. And the went over there. He would just step back.

[Joe Button]

I'll tell you one thing with that. See, that's why I'm old school. Nick fans, that Charles Oakley would have had none of that. No, Anthony Mason would have had absolutely none of that.

[Parks]

Keeps putting all the weight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's gonna learn, and still you ain't got but six fouls.

[Joe Button]

Hey, whoever need a championship, you better hurry up and get it before, before his ERA begins.

[Flip]

Yo, and they got a team.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They got a team and they just him. Did y' all see my man VJ Edgecomb, though?

[Joe Button]

Love him. Love him. Absolutely love him. You guys luck out again somehow. Yes, he's him. I loved him in college.

[Flip]

Do nothing with it.

[Joe Button]

I, I, I thought that he deserved to be in a top three conversation. Yeah, but he's, he's really him. That wasn't a flash in the pant.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was not him and Maxi.

[Joe Button]

Him and Maxi and McCain. Trade Embiid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been saying that for two years.

[Joe Button]

Trade. And B, I'm with you. Him, Maxi and McCain. It's time. It's time.

[Flip]

It's time, dog.

[Joe Button]

And y' all got our guy over there. And y' all got Quentin Grimes on the cheek. Y' all got young players over there, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And we got some veterans. I mean, Paul George. I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

Enough of you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This could be a very solid year.

[Joe Button]

Paul George, podcasting legend. Podcasting legend. Greatness, disrespect. Wait, and what's that club that was next to Green Out? Whip. Whip Legend. Whip Legend.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Paul George.

[Joe Button]

Hey, I wouldn't even go to Whip. I used to check when the people Pacers would come to town. Nigga, Whip Legend. Paul George.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got you the up out of there.

[Joe Button]

Oh, a bunch of them NBA Niggas got me outta here. A bunch of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect it. Yeah, that's the truth. That's how it be. What you say? What you laughing at, Ish?

[Flip]

I didn't laugh. I just sipped my tea, that's all.

[Joe Button]

He never wanted to put himself into me. They got him out of there, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said he don't believe he could get. Remember he said KG was it KG that got you out of there?

[Joe Button]

What? Ain't nothing wrong with it. Don't look at me like I'm trying to be funny.

[Flip]

There's nothing wrong with instinct, you know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at the baddest nigga in the world.

[Joe Button]

I think did. Wait, hold up, cuz. That my man think I'm trying to play. I know you got some of them out of here, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what it was. You got KG out of there that time.

[Flip]

I ain't get any G. Kenny G.

[Joe Button]

No G. Yeah.

[Flip]

I'm just.

[Joe Button]

But some of them. You know what I mean?

[Flip]

Them did what they did, Mark.

[Joe Button]

You too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, N. A got me out of every building in Philadelphia.

[Joe Button]

That don't count. That don't count.

[Flip]

AI's going everybody out.

[Joe Button]

AI gets everybody out of here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fair enough.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I even like going outside AI's top five. I used to love road games.

[Flip]

West coast run too, when they going for a couple.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but that's why you got to love ignorance. Like young person ignorance. Spring break, Miami. The Sixers was fresh out the finals. Why did I even believe that I should bag something that weekend?

[Flip]

You may pump it up.

[Joe Button]

Up. No, no. It might have been before Pump. No, actually, that was before Puppet. You lying. That's before Sixes win over. I was there in 02.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It ain't no pump it up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, N. You just a. A cute with a Iverson jersey. And here come Iverson, and it wasn't even authentic. No, that's when Corn Roll half him done half of them. Like he was about to ask your girlfriend to braid his hair. He going to the same spot. You going to like, just go home, boy. Go to bed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Aaron McKee might have got you out of there in 01.

[Joe Button]

Yo. I'm a huge Aaron McKee fan. Every time the name comes up, people on him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I love Aaron McKee. That's my brother. I love Aaron McKee.

[Joe Button]

Jerome James got me an ish out of here. We tell these stories all the time up here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You said me and Ish Ish be making the face when they can get.

[Joe Button]

Along because Ish is not honest about these things.

[Flip]

It don't matter if they your nature.

[Joe Button]

They swear to God I'm lying. Say swear to a liar. Ah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

I forgot about him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Say wahi man, you got this. Go ahead the get you up out of there or not, man.

[Flip]

Jerome James.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look. Yes. No, don't say his name like that.

[Joe Button]

Together that night.

[Flip]

Let me hold up.

[Joe Button]

We was together that night.

[Flip]

Yo, this the funny thing.

[Joe Button]

We were together.

[Flip]

That Jerome James is precept cell phone. He can't get me out of there.

[Joe Button]

Pre cell phone. That's not true. What that mean? That's not true. What that mean?

[Parks]

I'm explain pre social media.

[Flip]

Jerome James in one off season signed this contract that was sick based on. Based on one series.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What year was this, by the way?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, exactly. You know. Yes, you do. Now. This is the year when he balled out. After he balled out for the Sonics in the playoff. The Knicks gave him that. That big wad of money. He was injured for the Knicks so didn't play. And every club me and Ish went to for two summers he was. His silver Phantom was parked outside. And me and Ish broke ass looked at the baddies saying ooh, ooh, ooh. And they would go to him and Mutombo and leave.

[Mona]

What about the little leftover ones they didn't want?

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Mona]

Like, what are you talking about?

[Joe Button]

Yo, my.

[Flip]

They can't get them all.

[Joe Button]

I don't think. There's no shame in it all.

[Flip]

But that's still getting you out of here. How much money he made? We knew how much money he made. They just seen this tall. That wasn't attractive. I'm gonna get my yummy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

Is she done? Buddy, I don't know what you're talking. And it's. I hate to burst your bubble. They knew how much money Mutumbo had.

[Flip]

No, not Mutombo.

[Joe Button]

Jerome James and Jerome James.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They went from Jerome James to Mutumbo.

[Flip]

Mutumbo had him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then they went to.

[Flip]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Button]

But it's never minded being nice nice on the battery. He'll wait.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right by the door.

[Joe Button]

Honey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Honey. Yeah, you good? Where you going? Where you going?

[Flip]

Yo, this is what I'm telling you. Might get them tonight. I got the number.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You play the weight. This is nut the lights is on. That mean they got you out of there, though.

[Flip]

I get what you said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you just said eventually. Somewhere down the line.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, you popped in December.

[Mona]

Y' all still not hearing him better than them.

[Flip]

I'm not saying that either. I.

[Mona]

You did with your eyes already. Twice. When they was talking about it and Joe was like, they left. You hit him with like a.

[Joe Button]

What? I hit him with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Mona]

Get me out of there. I can't even be cute like that to do it.

[Joe Button]

Stupid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo my.

[Flip]

If you.

[Joe Button]

And if you hit it in December and he hit in October, you got to hit in secrecy. You running around wearing it like a badge of pride. It's over. You mud it out. You waited till Mutumbo was finished to go eat it at out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a deep hallway. That's a hallway, right?

[Joe Button]

Is. Wait. I don't believe that. Is ate something out behind Mutumbo. Put in work. Is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did. Oh, I'm sure he did.

[Joe Button]

If he was waiting months by. By Nissan Sentro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you think he was waiting to.

[Mona]

Do is don't eat coochie.

[Joe Button]

He coochie like that.

[Flip]

Sex life.

[Joe Button]

Hey, wa. Hey. Hey. You mute up. What you say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That tongue is from. From here to here. He lick. Her knees are free.

[Joe Button]

He lick his lips 900 times an episode, but he don't eat. What are you talking about?

[Flip]

My. Why is we in my sex life?

[Mona]

He seem. I just. I said it. And he just seems like. He don't.

[Flip]

This is crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is a box eater.

[Joe Button]

A.

[Mona]

A box.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Back in the day when you was following up my tumble on them, you wasn't eating their.

[Joe Button]

No, definitely behind the T. He just too. There's nothing wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just say. I didn't say.

[Joe Button]

Just admit that they got you out of here and you ate behind him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Why you got Nate Robinson and all them.

[Joe Button]

Not Nate Robinson.

[Flip]

Yo, Nate was making noise.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was making. Nate was making noise.

[Flip]

Nate was making noise.

[Joe Button]

New York. Yeah.

[Flip]

He wasn't playing. Nate was out here.

[Joe Button]

Shout to Nate.

[Flip]

Shout out to Nate. I seen him in the airport.

[Joe Button]

Shout him out. Why we shouting out Nate Robinson? I don't know if he was putting in work. That was JoJo. Stop it.

[Flip]

I promise you.

[Joe Button]

Stop it. I'm not. I'm not saying he didn't. Yeah, I'm not saying he didn't. I mean, he won the dunk contest when they let him do 500 dunks.

[Flip]

Yeah, but he might not have been doing Q Rich numbers, but he was, you know, Q Rich, one of your all time favorites.

[Joe Button]

Every time we do this, the audience think it's like some bromance.

[Parks]

Who'S your favorite NBA player? But it's not.

[Flip]

Yo, he gotta.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He gotta start five.

[Mona]

How do y' all even remember that far back?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause them niggas is outside glory days.

[Joe Button]

Even that with the New Information with the new information. They say it online now that J.R. slow Smith playoff game, where he was running around, didn't know the time, and LeBron got mad. Everything is under investigation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything gets close to the car.

[Joe Button]

It all looks funny. All of it. Yo, if you try to get money now, now is a good time. That's my man. Shout out to J.R. that's our man. Yo, if you're looking to get money, now is a good time to do it. We should be getting some really organic performances.

[Flip]

Picking over on everything.

[Joe Button]

We should be seeing some really natural stat projections, be on their p's and.

[Parks]

Q's for the next couple weeks.

[Flip]

N. I ain't coming out the game.

[Joe Button]

I'm good.

[Flip]

My leg falling off. I'm still going to play that.

[Joe Button]

That's funny.

[Parks]

Yo, that ass.

[Joe Button]

All right, Flip, flip here. Flip, flip, flip, flip. He's gone.

[Mona]

What?

[Parks]

He left us.

[Flip]

N. He ran out, though. I don't. Might have been, like, important.

[Joe Button]

All right, then fine. If it was important. Got to leave it alone.

[Flip]

Yeah, I just saw the way he ran out.

[Mona]

I was like, I might have some importance soon. Hello?

[Joe Button]

Hello?

[Mona]

My daughter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Button]

You going to run out? Yeah, you going run out on.

[Mona]

I can make my face red anytime. Face red, head down on the phone.

[Joe Button]

You do got one of them type of faces. Yeah, she get red easy. Oh, I got a funny joke. But you can't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't do it. Nope.

[Flip]

No, sir.

[Mona]

Do it.

[Joe Button]

I know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hell, no.

[Joe Button]

I'm good. I can't. That was right at the room. I have a. I have a checkered.

[Flip]

Pass right at the.

[Parks]

Hey, Hoops.

[Joe Button]

Yo, stop. Your favorite part of the show, y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Button]

Got checkered pass, dude. Y'. All.

[Mona]

Y'.

[Parks]

All.

[Flip]

I don't even know how to check. I don't even know how to play. Check us out any.

[Joe Button]

It's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize picks.

[Flip]

Nice work.

[Joe Button]

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[Parks]

B John Robinson, whatever he says he's going to do it.

[Joe Button]

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[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And now it has finally been announced. Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

30 dates, new edition featuring Boyz II Men and Toni Braxton. 30 cities. I can't wait. This is gonna be major.

[Joe Button]

Oh my God.

[Flip]

When is down here?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's gonna be February 13th, I believe it'll be in Newark and then a month later they'll be in Philadelphia and Brooklyn.

[Flip]

Hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I might be going to three.

[Flip]

Shows called who going to be the headline?

[Joe Button]

Oh, I don't care.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

New edition, New edition.

[Mona]

It would have to be new.

[Joe Button]

It would have to be new edition.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is new. It said new. The poster says new edition featuring if.

[Joe Button]

It were to say boys to men, they would switch it to new new edition.

[Mona]

I wonder if the Wayans brothers, the kids are they going to be a part of the show like the openers or something. Cuz they got their own group too.

[Joe Button]

You talking about you said the way.

[Mona]

I am not. I'm not a Boys and Men fan.

[Joe Button]

I never been from Philly, from Philadelphia.

[Mona]

I don't know. Never. I never even as a kid, it was everywhere. I just never.

[Joe Button]

Well, you don't strike me Videos too, now that I think about it.

[Mona]

I. I excited videos like sweaters, the big video when they down South Philly at what is it? Joe's and Pets and all that Motel Philly. You look so disgusted. Let's just move on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I'm non plussed.

[Mona]

Yeah, like that show does nothing for me. I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't be. I mean Boys and Men isn't new addition to me, but Boys II Men are legends to me.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm excited about them. Also watching Sean Stockman's podcast, which is.

[Joe Button]

One of my favorite amazing podcasts.

[Parks]

Shout out to Sean.

[Joe Button]

Sean Stockman. I'm honored. Not. I'm honored that Sean Stockman, who I don't know if he has any idea that I grew up on that shit. Like I bought Motown, Philly. When I bought Visions of Love, like that was my Christmas. Like, he calls me like I'm a regular human and he's a regular human.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I love that.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Button]

It's so fly. I be about to cry every time. But I muscle up well a piece Sean what's good. But in my head I be like, Sean, you are. Sean Stockman is on.

[Flip]

I had one of them the other day.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, who? Carl Banks.

[Flip]

Oh, Carl Banks. I know, I'm just saying. But he walked over to me, he.

[Joe Button]

Got up, came over.

[Flip]

I'm like, carl Banks with us. Yes, sir, Mr. Banks. I'm like, yo, this is Carl Banks. My man is super cool.

[Joe Button]

Such a sweetheart. Gave me a starter jacket like that's fire. And while we on this, I accidentally killed someone who was a dear friend of mine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mind.

[Joe Button]

Jeff Dixon is alive and well. The other part I don't. I said the wrong Jeff. My brain went somewhere and I shock attack here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Still here.

[Joe Button]

You know, I just left him. Jeff Dixon is fine. So that's totally my apologies. Jeff Dixon, if you. If you're listening, I absolutely love you. My bad. I won't do that again. I talk too much sometimes. That's not my first time fake killing people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't kill.

[Joe Button]

Killed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I killed somebody. I killed some white guy up here by accident.

[Flip]

Who you killed?

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna Kill him again. This next movie. Yeah. Even though I'm joking, because Netflix is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Working on a doc.

[Joe Button]

That looks great. It does. It looks phenomenal.

[Mona]

I know. That's exciting.

[Flip]

He got a lot of shit with them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I cannot. I cannot wait.

[Joe Button]

This.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This Boyz II Men new edition between Braxton concert, though, is on February 13th for us.

[Mona]

Woo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that. Is that the. Is that the can't miss ball at the rim Valentine's Day outing?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Parks]

Happy birthday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's your birthday. Oh, wow.

[Flip]

It's a Friday, though.

[Joe Button]

We talking about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're talking about girls.

[Flip]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's a Friday. Oh, it's gonna be like, Kendrick. We out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Parks]

We lit.

[Flip]

We lit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm going to that show. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Joe Button]

So, so sorry. Sorry. I'm. I'm in there. I'm in there, like, swimming. Speaking of music. Speaking of music, though. And happy birthday to you. Whenever it comes. Yeah. I mean, like, c. We got some time. Whenever.

[Parks]

It was a good drop. It was a good drop this week.

[Joe Button]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So a lot of times. Got me in the chokehold.

[Joe Button]

What got you in. Wait, what got you in the choke hole?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That Leon Thomas ep.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I can't even clown you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Button]

I. I can't clown you.

[Parks]

He got in the 70s kind of funk soul, pre disco bag.

[Joe Button]

Hard.

[Parks]

Hard body on there.

[Joe Button]

All right, let me get.

[Flip]

Come on, come on.

[Joe Button]

Pull up some of this stuff while you guys talk. Come on. Leon Thomas is an automatic purchase for me. I learned this morning.

[Parks]

Yeah. Miguel is not that Miguel album is. It's different. He's still in his alternative bag. It was a lot of Spanish music on there.

[Mona]

I missed the old Miguel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Parks]

I mean, me too. I. I do like this. I'm not gonna on it. It's just. I do. I miss the old Miguel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Like, why are we never going? And I feel like when artists do that, it's like you want to be happy for them. They grew and they doing stuff they like, but, like.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's really. It's not fair.

[Mona]

Yeah. Like, damn, bro.

[Joe Button]

It's not. It's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna.

[Parks]

I'm gonna give it a couple more tries, though, because I did like it musically. It's just not what I would love to hear from him.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, exactly what you say.

[Flip]

Spanish music, Miguel. I'm cool. That's.

[Joe Button]

That's not all.

[Flip]

I'm just saying. That's just not what I. That's not the Miguel that I want to heat up.

[Parks]

It's like an alternative rock album.

[Joe Button]

Damn near.

[Mona]

Like, is it Parks?

[Parks]

It's Yeah, there's a lot of guitars. There's a lot of, like, rock melodies. It's not all the way a rock album, but heavily influenced.

[Mona]

When I want to hear rock, I listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I'm not mad at that.

[Joe Button]

All right. My muse, let's get right to it. I started track. I started track two just because the first track, just how. Just how you are, was available for a couple weeks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Already.

[Mona]

Service.

[Joe Button]

I love this beat. I love this music. I love what he's doing right now. Sheesh. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Parks]

Like I said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It on you. You're not my girl.

[Joe Button]

Dog.

[Mona]

Hold on.

[Joe Button]

Five more minutes. Track three.

[Mona]

Cause I want to take my time with it. You ain't tell your guys you reside with me oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah show me you'll be missing me Like I'm missing you Missing on the world if I have a feeling, don't.

[Joe Button]

Y' all can see the vibe that he's on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Big, big 70s vibe. Late Motown, kind of.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I with it.

[Joe Button]

Nice. This is great. This is great. I wonder what made him go go that way.

[Flip]

Show y' all I could do it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. He got the game in the chokehold.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And you can't box me in. I'm showing range, versatility.

[Joe Button]

I'm playing these in succession, by the way.

[Mona]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

This give me cocaine. 80s. A little bit. Hey. Yeah.

[Parks]

A little bit.

[Joe Button]

Oh, dog, that's. Dog, that's tough, dog.

[Parks]

I wonder what made him stop at an EP link.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm.

[Joe Button]

I'm shocked that he gave it to us.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Honestly, like, he's still on fire, still from. He deservedly could have done the. That most these do when they put the dip on their chip. Right? Yeah. He could have sat back for the next two and three and just saw what y' all felt like. Right. Let me see what y' all on for a little bit. Now. I said. I said set the tempo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said it.

[Joe Button]

So for him to come back this soon with something, maybe a different vibe and an ep, maybe giving you a hint at where he may be going for his next album, but definitely a change in sound, but it doesn't sound.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Weird or odd or I could have.

[Flip]

Been trying something new off of the back. I still got an album out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So even if it don't hit and it don't resonate, I'm still working off that album.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Flip]

You know what I mean? Because your fans are complaining. Like, yo, he did some new. Like, what y' all Just did with Miguel.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You got credits on this, Parks? I'm sorry. You got credits on this?

[Parks]

I do. It wasn't anybody.

[Joe Button]

Because I'm about to be a dick.

[Parks]

Let's hear it.

[Joe Button]

If D. Mounds is not on here, he's not.

[Parks]

I don't think.

[Joe Button]

And you put this project out. Somebody over there had to know that lucky day would be on notice. Yeah, but I didn't know where you was going. Now that I heard this. This. This listen. And that could just be my. My artist brain. They accuse me sometimes of starting between people that don't have a problem with each other. Other times. I'm really good at this. No way he puts this project out, Imani. And don't say, all right, you're on notice now. And if I'm lucky, though, I'm. I'll have my eye out for that one.

[Flip]

And when he just dropped that deluxe, which was basically another album, was June.

[Joe Button]

June.

[Flip]

Well, at the end of May.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So you double right back, but with a whole different sound.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? Like, you're shooting in the dark almost. If it don't hit and it don't land. Y' all still eating off that?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he playing with me. He playing now. Somebody got to do something.

[Flip]

Get in the stool.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, somebody got to do something. But this sounds great. Shout out to Leon Thomas. The name of this is called folks P S. I mean folk. P H, O L K. Freaky Rob.

[Parks]

Is a producer that's credited on most of the songs. I'm not familiar with him.

[Joe Button]

Freaky Rob, Freaky Rob. Names, I'm not familiar either, but that sounds like the right. You spitting out of your mouth. Come on, yo. Just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just hungry.

[Joe Button]

Onions is flying out his mouth. Hungry as hell. Kaylani finally dropped the folded pack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

The folded remix homage pack. And I. I've been waiting for it. Shout out to Kehlani. Some. Someone else who I think has R and B in an absolute chokehold right now.

[Flip]

She can't miss right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How many minutes is it?

[Parks]

24 minutes. Six remixes. Got you, Tony, Brandy, Jojo, Mario, Neo, Tank.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tank. Yeah, I got.

[Joe Button]

I got a small issue. I do. I do have a small issue. Oh, God. Brandy Norwood, Ms. Legend, Ms. Icon, Ms. Vocal Bible herself, has to go back to the studio.

[Parks]

She embodied the way she bodies.

[Joe Button]

She didn't do a verse. She didn't do a verse. She just gave us. Oh, I love you, Brandy. I love you. I knew I was getting a verse or a bridge from Brandy on this. Oh, this song is Never going to be. This song is never going to come on at the wrong time.

[Flip]

They played the in the hookah bar last night.

[Joe Button]

Went crazy. Oh, yeah. That DJ knew what he was doing. She don't have a verse. Kaylani comes in with regular verse one, regular verse two. Brandy does the choruses. Okay, I respect it. Brandy has to go back to the studio or go downstairs. Sing it in your phone. Sing it in your phone and send it over. But that cannot. We need a Randy verse on folded. Let me give y' all the Tony verse.

[Mona]

No big sis advice. No matter what you say, you do.

[Joe Button]

Crazy. Now I gotta do Tony versus Brandy hook look. And she gonna do the. Hey, this is so fire. Konni hook. Oh, no Tony hook. Hey. Oh, she got a Tony hook. Oh, come on, man. Hey, if Tony. If Tony could do all that. Come on, Brandy. I'm sorry. You know I love her.

[Flip]

You're right.

[Joe Button]

She know I love her.

[Flip]

Brandy got to do it.

[Joe Button]

She got to. She got to do it. I think Mario went. Mario. Mario went absolutely crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm playing tomorrow.

[Joe Button]

I don't care. I've been waiting weeks for this goddamn. It's. Let's go. Mario.

[Mona]

Talk to these me. I'll be waiting for you to tell me.

[Joe Button]

No. Guess what? I played this song all morning. Oh, I believe you. I done put it all together and.

[Flip]

Made one 10 minute track.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I played this song. Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I listen to. That's what I thought it was.

[Joe Button]

I let this whole run in the gym and text rl the other night, like, send me yours. I need the full version of that. I need them all.

[Flip]

Keep going, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, oops, sorry. I got busy though.

[Joe Button]

Sorry, sorry. Jojo. Where's Jojo? Shout out to Jojo.

[Flip]

She absolutely.

[Joe Button]

Where's my girl Jojo?

[Flip]

Absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold up.

[Joe Button]

Come on. We doing them. We playing all this. She killed.

[Mona]

For anyone cuz I I spend my 20s on some guys who just weren't the ones.

[Joe Button]

Somehow with you I forgot all my rules.

[Mona]

You made me feel safe.

[Joe Button]

When we.

[Mona]

Laid in the bed where we made love in this house so you picked up your clothes. I, I.

[Flip]

Tough. Yeah, tough.

[Joe Button]

And last, but certainly not Neo's next, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm not doing all.

[Joe Button]

Neil got to wait.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He going to play some Neo.

[Joe Button]

Got to wait a second. That's my man. But hold up now let's not get crazy. I'm just making sure you Jo, really had the way too.

[Flip]

You said last but not least.

[Joe Button]

I want to make sure you. I don't know if I'm getting the Neo, but we got to get to Neo. Not before this. Not before for. Oh, yeah. You know what this was though?

[Mona]

Different.

[Joe Button]

Different. Stop playing with that man. Man, shout out to T. Yeah. Amani, go to the bathroom. Yo, dead ass. Don't even sit right there.

[Mona]

I just love that thing is running ocean.

[Joe Button]

Yo, dead ass, if Mutumbo got you out of there, imagine what this do coming in there got. If Mutumbo got you out of the club, imagine if a coming in just singing like come pick up your clothes. Hey, this when you really don't want her to pick up her clothes.

[Flip]

You a hear the say she was on her tippy toes with that thing Arch.

[Joe Button]

I mean all man, this when you told her get the out your house, but you don't mean it. Oh even say that is really nice. I don't even say that. Yeah, come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you playing with my birthday?

[Joe Button]

Don't do that.

[Mona]

You play everybody but Neo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Neo got busy. No Tank some other though. But. But, but Neo got busy.

[Mona]

I just love that she puts.

[Joe Button]

Oh, oh. Hold up, hold up.

[Flip]

I'm telling you something.

[Joe Button]

Hold up now. Maybe I slept. Let's see. Maybe I slept.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's see what he talking about busy.

[Joe Button]

Yo. And this beat is so fire. I'm glad they left the beat on all of them. Hey, we've never done this before where we played the same song seven times.

[Flip]

Bear with me, y' all be.

[Joe Button]

Let's see what Neo talking about. You got four wise. You better kill it. Oh, no. Stop playing, yo. And that's good for me. Yeah, that's good for me. Stop playing with moment of sight comments.

[Flip]

When you jump the tank. I'm like, hold on.

[Joe Button]

I was like, wait.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We not got business.

[Flip]

Neo don't be getting his just do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bro Facts play it.

[Flip]

You ain't hear Neo B.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You skipped over it at home.

[Flip]

That's what it was. You skipped over it at home. That a monster.

[Joe Button]

I must have skipped over. I ain't going to lie to y'. All. Let me see. He came in sounding like Neo, though. Yeah. No, no, let me see, man. Maybe I was wrong. I will fly. So I hope that you don't mind.

[Mona]

Me pulling over with this time of the night.

[Joe Button]

Nah, you absolutely crazy.

[Mona]

What you mix.

[Flip]

Yeah, come on. Go apologize to him up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop playing with that came on.

[Joe Button]

You favorite Neo. Him. My most humble apologies. I didn't have my coffee. Wasn't right this morning too.

[Flip]

And I did got to be right.

[Joe Button]

And I did wake up. I worked out Today I don't normally like my attitude wasn't where it needed to be to and and I'm sorry about that. I knew better than that. I was outside for miss independent and so sick and stay all of them and everything that you ever did and can't toxic better than you. One and two. Of course I knew you wasn't gonna let Mario just shine. Yeah, I was outside for that too. Hey, of course you couldn't let Mario just come and do that and go.

[Flip]

I think it's gonna be some other niggas like, oh, yeah, like this shit is like challenge accepted.

[Joe Button]

Now let's put a kebab in that one.

[Flip]

What?

[Joe Button]

This is done. This is done. Until when neo and brandy and Tony and tank and jojo and them do it. We got them all. And R.L. we got them all. We got em all.

[Flip]

No, we don't. Yo, so what happens when tamiya just chopping onions at the island?

[Joe Button]

Oh, that's different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

No, we don't. Look what y' all talking about? I'm saying if you don't belong in that sector of the hall of fame, then skip it. So when you say it's about to be a whole bunch of I don't need the cash co version of this.

[Flip]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no.

[Flip]

I'm saying challenge done from them.

[Joe Button]

I don't need bas swag. I don't. Those is my but be clear is coming. I do think Usher is hearing this.

[Flip]

And like I'm going to do one of these.

[Joe Button]

Usher definitely dropping y lucky Tory lane. You know who else?

[Mona]

Jaques. He going to drop one too.

[Joe Button]

I'll take him for sure. Oh, yo, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so late. Hey, that's eight. I'm so late. I have to big up Davies. I know odd up here. Love it, dog. Shout that Karma 4 is kind of crazy.

[Mona]

Really?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Karma 4 is kind of crazy. And I think because we from New York and because we being mermaids, like we don't be talking about Davey be sometimes the way we should agree and Karma4 is one of those projects. I understand it if you think that he is monotone if you can get past that. This came on the other day.

[Flip]

Little girl I got you comfortable Davies can make a little joint well, at.

[Joe Button]

Least on this project I can never.

[Flip]

Get enough enough for you.

[Joe Button]

Hold up.

[Flip]

Energy building I got you comfortable. Your fragrance put a smile on my face Just off a hug from your.

[Joe Button]

Walk Is mean let's go jock queen.

[Flip]

We be talking cream I often dream how to handle it Lou goes when I hooked the thought she saw Kareem my lifestyle is dope, you can't relate you never saw a female this how genuine must have felt when he saw them jeans and I mean Jamaico ass story when I talk to Queens the stylish prices they can't afford how you do it and got a number type but I can't ignore how it's moving get our heads in her room temperatures drop we throw the per on it's heavy underneath but she matching boots and a purse on fall from a perfect I know I got to work on after I write it I might record.

[Joe Button]

You still do long verses, too? A 16 is a long verse.

[Flip]

Put that skirt on. Just trying to figure out what you going through to let her go. I mean it. You're all the morning I need all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your love don't wanna live let's be.

[Flip]

Real and express ourselves else we ain't got.

[Joe Button]

No. He got like 29 joints on this. Listen, you going to find some on there that you like. I promise you. I'm not bullshitting.

[Flip]

No, that with him and Chris. I told you. That album that him and Chris put out, they was going on that album, bro.

[Joe Button]

Young Chris.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Oh, Young Chris.

[Flip]

They was going crazy on that album.

[Joe Button]

N. Davies got joints on karma for, yo. Yes, he do. I can't. I ain't going to lie to you. All right, what else? What else came out in music?

[Parks]

Yo, Hit boy Elk was up. Album is tough. I was a little wary when it's. When it's producers rapping.

[Joe Button]

Why is Alchemist one of the best rappers, yo?

[Parks]

They got, like, introspective and on here, I was like, oh, he's talking about raising his kid and all types of like.

[Joe Button]

All right. Could have really been, like, in mob deep as a mc. Like, he sounds great. Yeah. Why did I not know that Alchemist could rap like that? I mean, yeah, he should be able to, right? Yeah. I need to know how many people in this room have actually, actually attempted to write a rap verse before. Parks, I know you have Flip. I know you have Mona. I know you have MC Rugged Voice or some icing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish.

[Joe Button]

Never, never for y'.

[Parks]

All Never even tried kids.

[Flip]

Never.

[Mona]

That's crazy, Mark.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Yeah, I figured.

[Mona]

Have y' all at least, like, got drunk and freestyle? Have you ever got drunk and freestyle?

[Flip]

Of course.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Flip]

Like rapping other raps.

[Mona]

I tried to write a rap two months ago. It just Ain't working too much High start Hell no, no, Come on, no.

[Joe Button]

She said hell.

[Mona]

I'm on camera rapping though, like I r for.

[Parks]

Celebration moments with havoc.

[Joe Button]

And you just gotta assume every beat is hard.

[Parks]

All the beats are. And the thing with producer rap albums is they're gonna pick the beats that people wouldn't necessarily pick.

[Flip]

Celebration moment Throwing paper out with dead man's faces on 27 XL cloak looking spacious on him I see your words.

[Joe Button]

On his sheet and rub erasers on.

[Flip]

Them Stand on the one spot at the Grand Prix Telepath I cook a beat up with my hands free I put my mind over material Adjust the tuner and try to find me on the stereo the signals flickering it's out of reach Stop talking under your breath Use louder speech Once a student, my job is now to teach My son is digging seashells from outer beach Life is precious Making moments last Capture memories.

[Joe Button]

Make them frozen Producer fix this beat.

[Flip]

On my shoulder pads Accepting too many connections Made the motor crash Humble slices of pie for the night sky down the on my luck I'm going anyway that the dice fly Corner the market on product and make the price high Double dip the chicken strip and let it twice rock these are not the numbers from the last discussion. The option is one is a six.

[Joe Button]

The other's half a dozen. This is Alchemist, right? Yeah. Cut this off. Cut us off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, yo. That's my. Right there.

[Parks]

There's some good on this album.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I never heard that before. This is fire.

[Parks]

It just came out. Just came out. Goldfish. I think they got a movie that goes along.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

45 minute short film that they did.

[Joe Button]

That goes with the album. Yeah.

[Flip]

Align with all the songs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know if it's a line with the song, but they did it at the same time. The album.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Shout out to those brothers. Man.

[Flip]

That wasn't bad right there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that wasn't bad.

[Parks]

There's some good on here again. I. I was. I was surprised. I was surprised. Producer rapping Sometimes it'd be like, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Shout out to hit boy. I have not listened to the new Daniel Caesar yet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That.

[Joe Button]

Because I'm waiting. I'm waiting for tonight Like Jennifer Lopez. I need, I need that. That's my. That's my Zen meditation. Alone or with my girl Lights low I need to get all in in that mix. I already know Daniel sees that guy, tell me I ain't about to say no more I didn't did it enough that's gonna be glazing. But y' All, y', all, y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Button]

Some of y' all know idea.

[Parks]

Anyway, I copped it. I haven't listened to it either. I'm excited about that Queen Nausea, too. Shout out to Queen Nash.

[Joe Button]

Who we heard and reviewed ep Crazy.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Wish you nothing but the best.

[Parks]

I'm excited for this Bruiser Wolf and Harry Fraud project. I played y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Parks]

He's the dude that kind of raps like a pimp. I can't. I can't wait to listen. I haven't heard it yet.

[Joe Button]

He can rap really good, too.

[Parks]

Yeah. Reuben Vincent, 9th Wonder Drop Project. Excited to listen to it. Haven't gotten through it. Dave from England. London, the boy who Played Harp. Sounds like a hard title. Haven't listened to the album yet, but I'm excited to listen to that. It was a lot of music that came out of this week.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Great week in music, especially R and B. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Oh, wait a second. What's today's date? Oh, yeah. N. I got to talk about this. We don't be doing sleepers no more, so be missing out on Heat. This Isaiah Falls project. You heard it. Don't be knowing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know he everything.

[Joe Button]

You don't even know Isaiah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If that nigga hit everything money hit.

[Joe Button]

Nah, hold up, dog.

[Flip]

That ear is in the street.

[Joe Button]

Me up. These new kids.

[Parks]

It's spelled right.

[Flip]

Type in Falls.

[Joe Button]

I'm just stupid. Yeah. Word.

[Flip]

Isaiah. One of them words.

[Parks]

There is two ways to spell Isaiah.

[Joe Button]

Type in false. Dog, listen to me. Even if you don't know who dude is, the features on here are Sir Alex Isley, Joyce Rice and Chase Shakur, if that tells you anything. And if it don't, then let's play this surgery real quick then, so they understand. Track one, Isaiah Falls. His record is called Brown Sugar, and this little project is Heat Six Joints.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get it?

[Joe Button]

If you love music. Yeah, come on. Y' all know. Y' all know the Alex Eisley vibes already. Y' all know it. He's one of those. Here I come 100 miles and run into your love Opened up and led me to the door Been here before.

[Mona]

But I never had it quite like this.

[Joe Button]

It's the same, but it's so different. Cool. Enough. Enough.

[Parks]

That sounds great.

[Joe Button]

No, y' all don't deserve Isaiah Falls. Y Sounds great. You deserve Isaiah Falls. Shout out to him. Man, I don't think I have anything else that I need to get to. I didn't listen. Oh, no, no, we don't. See, we don't do sleepers no more, so we don't be talking about music. Cause these two dynamic don't know music. But hold up.

[Mona]

Who don't know music?

[Joe Button]

Well, Flip don't know exactly, dawg. She's like, who? I know we've played a lot of music this broadcast.

[Flip]

We back to the music broad.

[Joe Button]

This money long record needs to be highlighted. This record is called Delude. Hulu. You can tell that she has an impeccable pin.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pardon me?

[Joe Button]

You could tell her pin is impeccable. You could tell she's a little off. We interviewed her too. I loved it. The people that we interview go out and kill. But dog, listen to this record.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen.

[Joe Button]

First of all those chords. You got it already. Little do you know Trying to make.

[Mona]

You my baby baby, come on.

[Joe Button]

Come on, man.

[Mona]

Little do you know after the first link, I'm trying to lock in, baby clink, clink. I'm not trying to take it slow.

[Joe Button]

Little do you know.

[Mona]

Little do you know that after the last one.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm serious.

[Mona]

We just met.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what?

[Joe Button]

Even if you don't like songs like that.

[Mona]

Yeah, she's not.

[Joe Button]

That's art. It's a good song.

[Mona]

That's something you go see live.

[Joe Button]

That's art.

[Mona]

She gonna it up.

[Flip]

That's a crossover record.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That's about to resonate with every. Remember she said that they came to her and had her trying to white write a bunch of soulful for the white people.

[Joe Button]

I said that being one of them.

[Flip]

That is one of the songs.

[Joe Button]

I could see that being a song that she says, no, I'm holding this.

[Flip]

I'm keeping my.

[Joe Button]

You can't sing this song the way it is. Needs to be sung. This song was just beautiful. It reminded me of like, I will always love you.

[Mona]

And I think it's hard to make stuff like that. Like, to make Dulu not be corny in the song. Like, you know what I mean? That's hard to do.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Yeah. That's a good.

[Flip]

Should have gave that now grande or one of them.

[Mona]

You gotta go see that out of here.

[Joe Button]

I'm positive was banging her door down to get that song. That sound like one of them. You shop into every act and then you got to make a decision as artists. Do I want to hold this singing myself or do I want a quick couple dollars? All right, I promise. I don't think. I think that if I keep looking at my phone, I'll keep finding music because I purchased a lot of music.

[Parks]

Yeah. Like, it's been a good year, man.

[Joe Button]

Like this excellent year. This Tyler, y' all say I don't be with her, but I like every song she do.

[Parks]

She does some new too.

[Flip]

She put out an album.

[Joe Button]

No, this is an artist called M O L I Y Molly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Molly. Molly doesn't shake it to the max.

[Joe Button]

Oh, she got another one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dog.

[Joe Button]

Oh, that's when you're about to go down. That is hard.

[Parks]

There was some on that Team Paula album too I didn't get to yet. There's some. It goes into like the EDM towards the end. But the first couple records or fire.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Cuz the records I heard were in the edm. I'm like okay, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

But the ones that aren't.

[Joe Button]

Or fire. All right, so now I need to get to that. I need to get that shout taming poll. All right, that's the end of my music segment. I promise. I'm done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

I'm done. Unless Mona cousin put some other heat out.

[Mona]

I mean my cousin did do a fold diverse but we can move on.

[Joe Button]

What else needs our. What else needs our attention? Or doesn't need our attention, but we'll give it to anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, we'll call Chris Brown on the board.

[Parks]

Yeah, take it away, Ice.

[Joe Button]

See why Ice gotta take it away. Come on, stop before he hook up on all us. Leave him alone. He in a good mood.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't want to beat the second issue otherwise stupid.

[Mona]

Well, I saw that Kevin McCall went viral at the door of that interview where he burst into tears and pulled out his EBT card. Everybody I know food stamps are cut off. So I couldn't figure out why the was crying because you. You got food stamps. I don't know but I mean he's been like it's been so much with him over the years but you know, nobody wants to see somebody, you know that. That made it a certain heights and they crying or whatever. And that podcast, I like that podcast. I think he was on. It doesn't matter either way. Like he says that that's the name of it.

[Flip]

Huh.

[Mona]

Back on Fig.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to them.

[Mona]

Shout out to them to my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, so I doubt it.

[Mona]

Yeah, so he talks about, you know being up and like it's not a joke. And d he also while writing hits for Chris Brown. Just writing hits for Chris Brown and feeling like. But he's been talking about being wrong done by Chris and being old money for years. So like to hear him talk about it again then burst into tears. One thing I paid attention to, he like mentioned how he you Chris Brown fans y' all watch it. Like he had just gotten to a physical altercation with your cousin fans and they got into like a wrestling match or they fist forward or whatever. But it goes viral, goes everywhere. The first thing I noticed is people started bringing up interviews about him, like being abusive. His baby mom, his ex Eva talking about him being abusive. And Chris, when Chris added to the chat. And I don't know, me personally, I like when Chris adds to the chat. Cause it's always like a I don't care, but a fuck you. And I think Chris just repost him talking to TMZ about it. Because of course, Thug went viral. Cause Thug came out and said, bro, I'll give you a couple dollars. And.

[Joe Button]

And I'm sure Chris knows that was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The part Chris went to on his post. And he wrote, remember this? But first Chris Brown responded to the interview, seemingly trolling. He wrote, remember this? You can't walk across a burnt bridge. And you know what's funnier than a troll? And then you put in caps, a broke one. That was the first response. Then young Thug, Thug responded later on social media and wrote, on X, Kevin McCall, hit me, my nigga. I'll give you the 25,000 you need. And I know CB would give it to you also, bro. He a real one. Niggas is sometimes busy sometimes, brother. So he's trying to play the peacemaker.

[Joe Button]

I think you got the order switch, though.

[Flip]

You have an order switch. Chris responded that first.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Thug, hold on. Okay.

[Flip]

We all over the place. Chris responded first with the.

[Parks]

That's why I wanted to post the.

[Flip]

Clip that you're talking about. Then Thug tweeted that, okay. Then Chris responded with your post of can't walk across the burnt bridge.

[Mona]

That was for Thug and Kevin.

[Joe Button]

That.

[Flip]

Yeah, that was mind your business. There's a reason why I'm not with him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, Got you.

[Flip]

And then Thug again addressed it and said, bad.

[Mona]

My bad.

[Flip]

My bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thug responded too.

[Mona]

Yeah, but also Kevin also came out and said that because he did a little interview on the side of the street with tmz. And he was like, well, I don't want anybody to give me the money. Like, we can get in the studio. You know, almost like, thank you, Thug, for the offer, but I don't want, you know, freebies. I'd rather get in the studio and work. We got some heat. He was like, we both Leos. Chris got right on Instagram and like, threw a jab at him, calling himself a Leo. Like, you know, because it just sound like we both Leos. Get in the studio.

[Flip]

He said some more that he had.

[Joe Button]

A back and forth with Mario in. In Instagram comments where he challenged him to a sing off.

[Mona]

He challenged Chris too.

[Flip]

He challenged Chris too.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm funny with talking about Kevin McCall. One, because he's. I'm. He. It appears to me that he has some mental health things going on. I think the people that know him also also know that. So it's sensitive whenever his name comes up. One, and, and two, he's. He hasn't been. I had his mixtapes in 2013, 2014. Some fire as far as a pen. Like we know. We know what he do, but he hasn't really had music out like. Like that to. We haven't discussed him up here musically in quite some time. So I know that him and Chris have history. I'd rather let that be their business and mind mine, especially when it comes to Kevin McCall. He might have said some nut shit about me before where I was like, all right, I see where it's crazy though, because before you even feel some.

[Flip]

Of the things he said, like, I get it. It's multiple sides to a story. Watching some of the shit that he said about Chris, his daughter, like, stuff.

[Joe Button]

Like that throughout the years.

[Flip]

Throughout the years. I don't want to see you now say, yo, can I have. Like, don't, don't. Nah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to see it.

[Mona]

It's crazy.

[Flip]

Like, niggas think they could say whatever and then I guess some time pass and we can get past it.

[Mona]

No. Think that your success means that you should feel for me. So it's like, fuck, I said all that. But it's like you doing so well. You can't care about that. It's like, I'm still a fucking human. That's my daughter. But I don't know. One thing, the first thing I noticed was. Cause I feel like. I don't know when the Internet really turned to that. It's been for a while though. But it's like people are feeling bad for him. He's crying on the pod. You know, black men don't cry. He's crying on. On a camera, right? And before five minutes into people feeling bad, people put right up, well, remember it used to be Eva, like, you know what I mean? It's like you can't even, you know, I think when it's a situation like that, when everybody kind of knows somebody going through something, it's just like, you know, it's like, I don't even know why you platform that, but, you know, everybody want to go viral. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

There's a real conversation there, too. Why are we platforming everybody running their own race and monetizing how they choose to monetize.

[Mona]

That's what the worst case scenario is. You platforming. They lost their mind. Bite you in the face while you filming. Wouldn't that be something?

[Flip]

Oh, go and clip that up.

[Joe Button]

We've seen some really nut shit in terms of just things that happen during interviews and podcasts. Like, they. I mean, while we. While we talking about that, I want to highlight the Prince interview that's going around, like, on the opposite side of that. Like, Prince did an interview with some Queens niggas. I have the name of it. I'll pull it up, but. But it's doing really well. And he sounds amazing.

[Flip]

He said some shit in there.

[Joe Button]

He sounds absolutely amazing. I highlighted, because of his outlook, Having done the 34 years in prison, facing multiple life sentences, the ghetto Quran record. He spoke about just the story of Queens and Southside and his telling of it in terms of, yo, we got to give young people all the information so they're not just choosing the streets so that they know what really comes with that, so we can make correct decisions better than the ones that we made growing up. You need like that, giving messages like that. So I want to highlight it. It's an amazing interview. I took a picture of it so I could shout these out. Hold on, let me find this story.

[Mona]

Leaving that part out is really doing, like, a huge injustice to people.

[Flip]

It's a disservice.

[Mona]

Especially, like, the grimier parts of your story, you know what I mean? You gotta let them know that, you know, the people you lost and your best friend snaked you, because that's what come with the streets. There's nothing really pretty about it, I think.

[Flip]

I think those dudes are just starting to come home. And so I think they have potentially the ability to shift the narrative because they are the. That the rap songs is about. These are that Nas talked about. These are that everybody was talking about and discussing Blessing.

[Joe Button]

No Flip founder's name for me.

[Flip]

Oh. So I just think that, like, a gentleman from Newark just came home, Akbar Prey shout to him, and he got a whole movement and initiative that's going on in our hood. And I think these are the niggas that we worshiped growing up. And so now to hear the words come from their mouths, fuck us. They ain't gonna listen to us. But to hear these motherfuckers saying it that did the years and that was the kingpins and original niggas. I think they have the ability to shift the narrative more than we do.

[Mona]

Especially surviving being buried alive, cuz that's what it is. You 30 years and everybody forgets about you. Like you're buried alive. So, yeah, those are people.

[Flip]

Life moves on.

[Mona]

The world moves on fast too. Figure out about you so fast when you go to jail.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Brother's name, the name of the podcast is thanks for asking.

[Joe Button]

Thanks for asking. That's who it was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to them.

[Joe Button]

They did a really, really, really good job in the interview and. And shout out to Prince. Really, really, really just really, really, really informed her. Informative interview for the that talk, that language. He started an interesting conversation about the difference between a rat confidential informant and a confidential confidential informant, which I as a civilian just thought was interesting. Yeah, because on the Internet it all gets bunched up, jumbled up into the same thing. But to the people that are actually living that life and went and faced the consequences for it, like they made compartmentalized, like, think. He said a rat takes the stand. What did he say?

[Mona]

I know. A confidential informer gets paid.

[Flip]

I mean, like he said, a rat takes the stand.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, that's the one he said. He said a confidential informant is the worst one because that's the person that is amongst you perpetrating, like he's one of you. Oh, and he said it's toughest because that's the toughest to get the paperwork on. So you normally hear the CIS say, if I'm a CI, where's the paperwork? Well, there's no paperwork work, cuz they going to hide that to the right. Speak.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Did y' all see when it went viral, when they put out how much each state pays confidential informants? Probably like six or seven months ago, literally, state for state. How much they spent this year, how much they spent that year. These people make yearly livings off of that. You got the people that are like police or they work for the police, but then you just have a person that was just a drug user, and then they pay them, they buy them drugs. Because all those lines, the CI can hit the crack pipe in the back of the fed car.

[Flip]

No, they'll bring them drugs, they give you a bundle. Like, yo, you out the evidence room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of confidential informant, Al Sharpton has admitted that he was a confidential informant.

[Flip]

Damn sure did.

[Joe Button]

Is that real?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Button]

I saw that going around. I didn't know what was going on. Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I don't know why I went around. I don't know why I went around yesterday. That's a 20 year old story. No, cause he did a. He was on the podium. Okay, gotcha. No, but the interview that went around on the Internet yesterday, even if you look at the date on that, that interview was from 2004 or 2014. I can't remember. It was a really old interview that, you know, now they're starting to repackage content and just put it out again. Slim. I was slim in 04. It might be 2014, but that's at least 10 years old. It's at least 10 years old. But the original interview happened on Real Sports back when they were talking about Don King. And that's how it first came out. The first kind of revelation was back when Bryant Gumbel was. Or Great Gumb. No, Bryant Gumbel was doing Real Sports. And it came out that Al Sharpton was an informant. Cause it started off to your point that he was a rat. And Sharpton's point was I wasn't a rat. I wasn't involved in no crimes. From Reverend Sharpton's perspective, he went to the police because they were trying to kill him, because the mob was trying to kill him. And then he answered some questions about what was going on. There's another take on that that I, I don't fully understand, but that he was basically feeding information to the Feds about different people. And a lot of this was tied up in his relationship to Don King, who he had his very close relationships with, as he did James Brown and others. But the idea that he was working with the Feds at all was something that a lot of people didn't know. But it's not untrue. I mean, he's acknowledged it. What he disputes is why he was talking to the feds.

[Flip]

Capacity.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Mona]

And why Don and Al have always been friends, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

And Don is also a criminal. Always been. He's came out to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a former, formerly convicted person incarcerated. To me, I have no thought to comment on that because I don't know. I don't know enough to. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on it.

[Joe Button]

I'll mute up when y' all get into y' all deep. Newark Philly connection badge about some of the black famous historical. Like.

[Mona]

I thought you was on that today.

[Joe Button]

I thought you. Yeah, I'm from Jersey City, though.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just, I just, I'm. I know, I'll say this. I know Reverend Sharpton. I've known him for a long time. Consider him a friend. And I think that. I've never seen him do anything. I've never seen him do anything.

[Joe Button]

I go bullshit on you, Mark. I'm not gonna lie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That would make me suspicious. Let me finish the thought first, all right. I think that you try to get ball caught up. I've never seen anything to make me think. Think that he's trying to undermine the interests of our people. Cause that's where people are going with it. Like he's trying to. That he's operating against black people. Because that's where it goes to cointelpro. And I'm saying I've never seen anything. And I've worked with him privately and publicly to make me think that whether he's talking to the feds and all that. I just don't know anything about that. But I don't go along with the leap people make from that. That's all I was gonna say.

[Joe Button]

Okay, your point is too serious for me to make a joke. So you did it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got it.

[Joe Button]

He got us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mission accomplished. He got us. He go down with his friends. He take it. He hold his friends down. Shout out to Mark.

[Mona]

You know that. Mark, you know that photographer they say was working with the feds too? The one that. I'm sorry, I don't know his name, but you'll know who it is because he is the same photographer that bought us the pictures of Emmett Till. So he was a huge deal. You know, they say. Well, that's a fact about him too, right? That photographer. You know anything about that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. My first time hearing it.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I mean, the truth is, and this is the thing that nobody really wants to say is that a whole lot of people who we revere have had some kind of relationship to the Feds. It's just a fact they told. Basically, they told or they informed. See, this is what I'm saying. It's complicated. Some people did crimes and they avoid going to jail. They. That's what they said about Reverend Sharpton. Right? He got caught in a crime and then he started. That's the allegation again. Reverend Sharpton says that's not what happened at all. The mob was trying to kill me. Cause I'm trying to stop. I'm trying to create peace and justice in my neighborhood. The mob's trying to stop me and kill me. And so I went to the feds, like, help. And that's all it was. Again, I don't know who. Telling the truth, not my business. But that's the thing. But when you go back to the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, some of the people we really love and fuck with was rats. And when the Freedom of Information act comes out. Cause you get a embargo for a certain amount of time when they come out, y' all gonna be very surprised. Guys, I ain't gonna say no names, but there's some people y' all really with that y' all gonna find out y' all maybe shouldn't be so do.

[Flip]

You I'm gonna deterred from who the why I'm gonna stop with him.

[Mona]

I understand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait till you hear who it all right.

[Flip]

Ain't a name if I with him today. It's not a name that I'm.

[Joe Button]

Because they told you told no, not you told no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You went to the feds and told to undermine the black people.

[Mona]

Yeah, that type of telling to hold us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about.

[Joe Button]

I ain't gonna care about that. ICE heard you the first time.

[Flip]

N N, that's different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, we got the same hotline number now.

[Joe Button]

That is different. What you're saying. That's different?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're gonna be very surprised and very disappointed.

[Flip]

And this is a fact already, you.

[Mona]

Know, Drop the names.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No name, no blame.

[Joe Button]

We still listening to Doggy style. Ain't nothing you could do about it. We don't care about that crypto ball. Come on, man, stop it. Hey, hey. We ain't about to stop listening to G thing. Tell the truth.

[Mona]

Oh, that let me know.

[Joe Button]

That remind me of a question I wanted to ask y'. All last part, and this is very random.

[Parks]

Give me the.

[Joe Button]

The best spelling of her. Of her name in a rap song.

[Flip]

Fabulous.

[Joe Button]

What is the best spelling of a name in a rap song? You got Snoop on G thing. It's the capital S. Oh, yes. I'm fresh in double O P A.

[Parks]

Lot of crooked eye verses D O.

[Joe Button]

D O He that's all he ever did was spell his damn name. And he's a great rapper. So you can't say. You can't say it to his face. Biggie, which I think is the person who got the award previously, I think everybody kind of just recognized Biggie is the best speller of things in rap songs amongst rappers. That was the consensus.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't bad. 1B, I, G, P, O, P P.

[Joe Button]

IK Biggie spelled his name in mad different songs and they.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

B, I, G, P, O, P, P.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A.

[Joe Button]

D, E A, B is for the. They can't understand. Like, Biggie just did it a bunch of times.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said it for fun.

[Joe Button]

But I wanted to ask y' all in case there was another one.

[Parks]

Yeah. Schooly D got to be mentioned.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got to say. I was about to say, don't you know. Free said fabulous.

[Joe Button]

Oh, Andrew and them N Grand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The.

[Joe Button]

The grand master.

[Flip]

The whole whole.

[Joe Button]

What's the crew? The Grandmaster Flash. All them performed at the Knicks game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, word.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

The halftime show.

[Flip]

You're not going to say, yo, what's them names?

[Joe Button]

No. Oh, yeah.

[Flip]

As the hip hop broadcast Furious.

[Mona]

Names, dog.

[Joe Button]

I wasn't born. I wasn't born.

[Flip]

I was born.

[Joe Button]

I was not born. I was born in 80s. I'm not your peer. I wanted 80 the Furious. When them crack pipes is coming up. The blow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was 82.

[Mona]

That's Curtis Blow. That's Curtis Blow. Sugar Hill was 70s. The Sugar Hill was the 70s.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You not talking about.

[Flip]

Yes, it is 82.

[Joe Button]

For real.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A child is born. He was in the video. Yes.

[Joe Button]

Nigga oldest now.

[Flip]

I was sick.

[Joe Button]

My cousins.

[Flip]

I knew all the words.

[Mona]

Was the seventies in disco Sugar Hill.

[Joe Button]

Not only did they come out and kill it, but it changed my point of view a little bit. Like they got to be the best group of all time. Like in terms of just calling a classic crew to perform. Everybody know them songs? Yes.

[Flip]

Melly, Melissa, this.

[Parks]

You know, I patch you talking.

[Joe Button]

They got three or four joints. The out of me, right? Whatever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You just played another beat. That's not. That's a patchy.

[Parks]

They used to patch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know they did it.

[Parks]

You're not wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They.

[Joe Button]

And Apache. I know from Jersey City.

[Flip]

Rest in peace.

[Mona]

What did they perform?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What are you doing?

[Joe Button]

I'm just telling you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They performed podcast and they killed it.

[Parks]

Absolute classic songs. Everyone.

[Joe Button]

I'm the only one sitting there at halftime. The halftime. The whole Garden get up, go get a glizzy. Me and my girl is sitting there and then I leave to do it. When the third quarter start, I'm off.

[Parks]

This is like when you were on Cowboy and then found out that Pump it Up was from that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Button]

That's hilarious. Yeah, that got me in my Wu Tang drama, too. Speaking of Raekwon, skin looks great. Are y' all seeing this around? I don't know. Him and Ghostface keep popping up. Ghostface has been here, so I ain't really but Rick Rayquan skin, he looks great. Like if he ain't do that, I would ask him his skin regimen, but he didn't care about my skin.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How.

[Flip]

Purple my skin was going to be Purple.

[Joe Button]

Purple eyes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Purple that go, man. Oh, they trying to see.

[Joe Button]

No, no eyes, dummy. I hear what you say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got, he got, he got, he back, he back, he back. He feel good again.

[Joe Button]

Free. He feel good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, when start getting up, he feel good again. Look, got his pet back.

[Joe Button]

Purple eyes. Funny. That's funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Purple.

[Joe Button]

Ey, that might be the name.

[Flip]

Funny.

[Joe Button]

You funny sometimes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, speaking of hip hop, this verse is. It's gonna be on Apple.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's gonna make it real watchable.

[Parks]

We inside. Yeah, we inside for that one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm excited, y'. All. Y' all still. We still on it.

[Joe Button]

You got Internet. Keep trying to clown me for being excited about verses and keeping verses alive for all these years that people thought it was dormant. I had some of the best times ever during verses, I'm not ashamed to say.

[Flip]

And my nigga, I think it's a musical celebration for some people that may not be getting celebrated. Otherwise.

[Mona]

I could put on the locks verses and still like, oh, that is legendary. I can still today watch it like this cheese in me, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe I'm excited, everyone.

[Mona]

I love verses. All of them. Gucci, Jeezy, all of them. I love the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That one made me too nervous so much.

[Mona]

I felt like something was going to happen. Somebody's going to get shot.

[Joe Button]

You joke. Don't shoot me as a schizophrenic, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He might get away with it.

[Joe Button]

He might get away with it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why he gonna get away with it.

[Joe Button]

Get away with shoot me 10 seconds later, be somebody different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did I do that? Yes.

[Mona]

Am I the only person that watched that interview and was, like, connecting stuff? Because I swear, I felt like. Like, even when whoever somebody up here said they told a story about he's in his seat. Like, Jeezy walk up, he's in his seat, and it's like. I know. Like, once you got out of the seat and you said you seen him talk to herself a little bit, you like something wrong with that? Because they had issues, but they never really in the same room. And it's like, you gonna make me get out this little ass plain seat. And then you. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Seen somebody. Y' all seen somebody y' all didn't really vibe with get on the same plane as y' all before?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you?

[Mona]

Yes. Celebrities and all.

[Joe Button]

I feel like it's common.

[Mona]

Yeah. Tube full of demons. Demons. What that pastor say? Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah.

[Joe Button]

And the I have problems with.

[Flip]

They not really.

[Mona]

My famous ops. I see on the plane only you got famous ops. I mean, people that are famous. And we had, like, not real ops, but, like, you got a little. You don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't with them. And when they see you, what they.

[Mona]

Do act like they don't see me. I'm the br. What you do lock eyes the whole time?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you behind them?

[Mona]

I mean, usually you're on a plane.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They'Re in first class.

[Mona]

They get on. Yeah, okay. Make it on.

[Flip]

Oh, he trying to play you. He trying to play you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She walk right past the. So they're not looking right. Beverage first class, too.

[Mona]

Yeah, I couldn't even imagine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I know you would because we. We don't share the same seats.

[Joe Button]

But wait, don't do it, Mona. You being first class.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, she said she don't.

[Mona]

No, I ride Delta, but I don't get first class.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Points is up big.

[Joe Button]

You know, Southwest do. Southwest. Southwest do Appointed seats now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that.

[Joe Button]

Oh, y' all ain't gotta just rush on no more.

[Mona]

The same way y' all could pop about first class. It's. That's ride jets. Everybody has a place in this life.

[Joe Button]

You know, you still get full of.

[Mona]

Demons and germs because you don't have jets.

[Joe Button]

That's true.

[Mona]

I'm in the back of the plane. Y' all in the front. Mind you flights that just love me. I get everything for free. Liquor, sodas. They just. I wake up, it's all on my lap.

[Flip]

When I cough, I got l. Elbow room. I could be like.

[Joe Button]

That. And to add on to what Mona's.

[Mona]

Saying, I'll be comfortable.

[Joe Button]

And when you get. And when you get enough money to take jets, you got to know about them, too. Or they scamming you like they do me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They got this on Instagram.

[Joe Button]

I can get you where you need to be. You're gonna get on the GX10 7. We got. We got one right. Right here. Hey, go ahead. Be the jet guy that's looking for a good, good price. You're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. If you're getting a good price, you got the one person jet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You on a 425.

[Joe Button]

No, on God. You got to know what they saying. You got to know what year the jet is. Then they put me on some before trying to save a.

[Flip]

That had for Micah.

[Joe Button]

Nigga had no wood grain, no commercial carpeting.

[Mona]

Your attendant.

[Joe Button]

Hey, you better ask for the right jet.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Joe Button]

You better. That trip will be a nightmare on some real we.

[Mona]

You know, y' all get There to the point where you can afford a jet. You would literally pick to jet instead of getting on a flight.

[Flip]

You would depend on how rich I am.

[Joe Button]

If.

[Flip]

If I can't afford. Absolutely. I mean, it's all about good that month.

[Joe Button]

I'm out of there.

[Mona]

I didn't even.

[Joe Button]

I was all right. If y' all did your thing. Why would I take the regulator board?

[Mona]

Like I want to get on one but to like. Actually we only fly on jets. I couldn't imagine where. Even if I had.

[Joe Button]

I couldn't imagine spinning the room. Didn't react like this.

[Flip]

I could.

[Joe Button]

Hey, that was funnier than the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you.

[Flip]

When you big.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was funny. It just stung.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Haha.

[Flip]

Yo, when you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We got it.

[Flip]

We got. If you. If you Rihanna, you're not walking in the airport, you create mayhem.

[Mona]

Facts true.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying? They start following you, all that.

[Mona]

But you know, they got the thing now where the car service come get you. They bring you in the back of the airport and take you directly.

[Joe Button]

Oh, Delta plus. Yeah, that's Delta one or some.

[Flip]

Oh, when you Rihanna and you on an airplane. Yeah, it's ma'. Am. Yeah, but you snuck through the back. It don't matter.

[Joe Button]

And like with that doing nothing.

[Mona]

That's necessity. Right? So beyond necessity, just making that choice to ball like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And look, I get it.

[Flip]

Your tax bracket is high enough where you want to spend that money anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, yeah. I didn't know anything about flying private. It's not my thing. I flew private for the first time on your dime, Joe. When me and Ian shot something and I was like, okay, that was Ian's.

[Joe Button]

Dime on the Ian and Mark show. Look, Joe, money don't touch the Ian and Mark show.

[Mona]

How long am I getting, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly?

[Joe Button]

He don't know. He don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just know who didn't pay for it? I don't know.

[Joe Button]

No, you don't.

[Mona]

Time the fuck out. When do I get on the jet?

[Joe Button]

No, you don't. Huh?

[Mona]

This nigga getting on a jet when I get on the jet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, we were shooting important flip show.

[Joe Button]

Well, he does another show for the network, the jet. Don't say that. He got a big bag. Don't do that.

[Mona]

No, he said the only flip show.

[Joe Button]

She said, well, oh, the moaning flip show.

[Mona]

I do the Mona and the at the front desk downstairs show first.

[Joe Button]

Don't do that.

[Mona]

Want to show me? All we do is fuss. What we going to do a show about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's right. She's right.

[Flip]

And then how long before you end up putting hands on him?

[Joe Button]

Please take n first episode. We going to see how red that face get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I make it. No, no, it's all right. It's all right.

[Joe Button]

Watch your tongue. Yeah, I know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dry cry.

[Mona]

I'm so nice to him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Out of there.

[Joe Button]

I'm queen girl.

[Mona]

I'm so nice to this man. That's the same.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you're not.

[Mona]

That's sad. That's the same.

[Joe Button]

Cuz Mark ain't gonna always be there. Let's move on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's trying to walk away with your.

[Joe Button]

I'm a trouble baby.

[Mona]

Yes, you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's me, it's me.

[Joe Button]

It's me. It's me, it's me.

[Mona]

There's a lot of rat that be going on up here.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, that's true. Can't hold water and it ain't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it ain't Mark.

[Flip]

Run their mouth like add some more names.

[Joe Button]

What? Ain't just y' all feeling really frightfully.

[Mona]

I said Mark because Mark is this say he From New York 15 times I had to ask.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

One Joe is from New York. One Joe's from.

[Joe Button]

I'm from Jersey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe is from Jersey.

[Mona]

In New York City.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Queens, Harlem.

[Joe Button]

I would Harlem.

[Mona]

I heard that somebody told me the snake was from Harlem. I'm like, nah, actually.

[Joe Button]

And my mom would say that I wasn't born in Harlem. I was born at the same hospital Beyonce had her kids.

[Mona]

Where is that?

[Joe Button]

Lennox Hill.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Which is in Manhattan.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Which is a. Which is a world famous hospital. So she had me there. Then they brought me to the project, to Harlem.

[Mona]

You did Harlem in the project? And how old are you when you moved to Jersey real fast?

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, no, no. 13, 14.

[Mona]

Oh, you.

[Joe Button]

No, I went from Harlem to Queens.

[Mona]

Okay, so if you was to say you from New York, what borough would you claim?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Queens.

[Joe Button]

Queens by way of Harmony.

[Mona]

Queens by way of harm.

[Joe Button]

Cuz my family is still. My family is still in the project.

[Mona]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Button]

Are you proud of that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Choice?

[Joe Button]

By who? Choice, though. I said by choice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

By his choice. By his choice.

[Flip]

Y' all get on them pissy elevators.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My family still in the projects in hall.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, my family repping out there. So yeah, I say I'm from Jersey City by way of queen. Queens by way of Harlem. That's what I say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And depending on who in the room.

[Joe Button]

Is it Queens or the Harlem? Who's in the room? He's from Queens. Who's in the room? I mean, I don't know. Let's see what else is going on.

[Flip]

So who we got in the verses because we jumped off the conversation.

[Parks]

Cash money.

[Flip]

Cash money.

[Parks]

But I think it's gonna be entertaining.

[Mona]

I don't think.

[Parks]

And that's all I really give the fans. The fans win.

[Joe Button]

The fans win.

[Flip]

Who you got?

[Joe Button]

I don't care.

[Parks]

You know, he's a no limit soldier.

[Flip]

I am a soldier.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Flip]

It depends on Wayne.

[Joe Button]

For me.

[Flip]

It depends on Wayne.

[Mona]

Wayne.

[Flip]

So Wayne don't come.

[Joe Button]

It's. It's.

[Flip]

It's no limit.

[Joe Button]

And it's. Then that's a night lost.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Right. If Wayne can't come. Right.

[Flip]

What we hear there's no limit. And it's. It's not. It's not going to be close.

[Joe Button]

Really.

[Flip]

If you don't get to use Wayne, it's not going to be close.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I won't say be close but I think. I think right then the outcome be different.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I have been Orleans.

[Flip]

No, I'm not doing this.

[Joe Button]

You never even been to New Orleans.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Crazy.

[Flip]

I think he has a point, but I don't know if it ain't.

[Parks]

Well, cuz also who's. Is everyone showing up for no limit?

[Flip]

From the picture I saw.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What else they got to do if.

[Joe Button]

Man Romeo show up. That's enough.

[Flip]

I saw Snoop with the. I saw me X. I'm like if all of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would think about Snoop coming through. You think Snoop going to come through for this?

[Flip]

I saw him with the.

[Joe Button]

With the. Oh. If new camel changes things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Show up for no limit and Wayne don't show up for cash money. It's going to be a long night.

[Mona]

But they still can't beat him.

[Joe Button]

I ain't going to go crazy. Long night. Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't know about Ju going to be there.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

And that's the thing. They can't beat juvie. Juvie saying Wayne, it can't be ju.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold up. So if everybody who's supposed to be there is there, who wins?

[Parks]

Cash money.

[Mona]

Cash money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cash money.

[Joe Button]

Right. Cash money, everybody.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Close.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's close to people expect respect for sure.

[Joe Button]

Extremely close.

[Flip]

If everyone shows up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad to watch. I probably won't watch it live, but I watch it.

[Flip]

I can't watch it live. I'll be at a haunted house.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I'll be.

[Parks]

Huh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Haunted house.

[Flip]

For sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all do that out here in Jersey.

[Flip]

I'm going to pa. But yeah, they got them in Jersey.

[Joe Button]

Are you going back home?

[Flip]

I live in. I live in. I live in Jersey.

[Mona]

You gonna sign a waiver and Let them punch you in the face.

[Joe Button]

Oh, they was gonna do that anyway. What you talking about? Sign a waiver.

[Mona]

I don't set myself up for shit.

[Flip]

You don't sign the waivers when you go.

[Mona]

I've only done that walk through. Let niggas grab on you like once or twice. Didn't like it.

[Joe Button]

You bring the little deuce. Deuce.

[Mona]

It's on me. So I'm. But I just. I don't. I just don't like the idea. The touching part, but I love the whole thing.

[Parks]

Like, you gonna do the apple orchard, too, Pumpkins.

[Mona]

I've never done that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've never.

[Flip]

Yeah, I've never done that either.

[Joe Button]

Nigga gonna jump out the bushes and hop on you. When y' all riding on the haystack. The haystack truck. That is one of them. They got one of them. They got one them shits.

[Parks]

I know the corn mat.

[Joe Button]

If you on that H stack truck, that's where they get a little touchy. Touch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get crazy like that. I just went to some yesterday.

[Joe Button]

What you going to do? Hop off, roll around like Angelina Jolene. Touch the out of ice in the alo. You in the alo. Yo. Fair where soft. Soften the crouch.

[Mona]

You need a cup on them. That's get crazy. And then it's like you a public figure. People know you. So just. You like your favorite ghoul hate you.

[Joe Button]

Especially at haunted house.

[Mona]

He just so happen to chest beat your ass soon as he seen you because of what you said about the Knicks or whatever. Like, that's what I mean. People like us do like that.

[Joe Button]

You depending on what you wear, though, you could be a part of, like, you could hop out and scare some. The heist when he ain't got his shape up. And if you got that stuck in your throat, that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

With the b. With the bed.

[Joe Button]

I can't say that word so wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch your mouth. Talk about freeze.

[Joe Button]

Y' all better watch your mouth. Talking about freeze. I want to go to haunted house. And this weekend is the weekend to do it.

[Parks]

Yeah, I guess this weekend.

[Joe Button]

And I'm clowning Ice. But Pa is where you want to go.

[Parks]

Oh, for sure, for sure. Scary place.

[Joe Button]

I went to some in Jersey. Y' all got me for six years in a row. No, no, the Jersey ones. It be L. Craig in them little, you know, the hopping out, like, move. You just turned 14.

[Flip]

It's another jersey one. That's where sick. Out by Action Park.

[Joe Button]

Oh, well, you say by where?

[Flip]

Up by Action Park.

[Joe Button]

Vernon, don't say that again.

[Mona]

The Infamous Action park by Action. I want to see that in real.

[Flip]

Life after I seen the documentary said Action Park.

[Mona]

Have y' all been there? That's so.

[Flip]

It ain't Action Park.

[Joe Button]

Now. The Action park dock is one of the best docks ever made. Yes.

[Mona]

I'm saying, did y' all go there get busted up from that?

[Flip]

Everybody?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mona]

Okay. That's cool.

[Joe Button]

Yo, if you ain't seen the Action park, doc, watch it.

[Mona]

It's so.

[Joe Button]

It's better than all that.

[Mona]

It's so good.

[Joe Button]

It's. No, it's really, really. They was killing.

[Flip]

We know you came in here and.

[Parks]

Told us f. I know. I don't think everyone.

[Joe Button]

They was killing. My first.

[Mona]

You got to see.

[Joe Button]

Watch it.

[Parks]

Yeah. No, I meant to. I don't know.

[Flip]

They was people up.

[Joe Button]

Like, it's so funny.

[Mona]

It's like just drugs, rides, and injuries.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That doc was so good.

[Joe Button]

That was like my.

[Mona]

And then it's like rides that should be handled by people that really know what they doing. It's a 13 year old kid high as running that. Like, that is really funny.

[Joe Button]

Sign me up like the Meadowland sphere. It's the same stop. That's why it ain't there no more. Now we. We be bored as hell in July.

[Flip]

Two for Sign me up.

[Joe Button]

The Meadowlands fear them crackheads be making that roller coaster go. They don't give a words.

[Flip]

They not stopping that lean, Yo, Speaking of watching, though, Mayor. Mayor Kingstown's back this weekend.

[Parks]

Oh, is it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Parks]

I still gotta catch up on Tulsa King.

[Joe Button]

The. The New York mayors is out.

[Flip]

Oh, I heard y' all talking about that.

[Parks]

Oh, no, that was insanity. That was loony.

[Joe Button]

Yo, they got this lit. I'm not gonna lie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard. I heard it's real funny because I'm not following it.

[Flip]

I don't follow New York politics.

[Parks]

Oh, no, cuz.

[Joe Button]

You got to follow it, cuz.

[Parks]

Cuomo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Huh?

[Flip]

See what dropped?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Button]

I thought he dropped in there bugging.

[Parks]

He said, what do you say about Cuomo?

[Joe Button]

He said, I got it. I'm pulling, I'm pulling.

[Parks]

The debate was hilarious though, cuz. He's like kind of a. A kooky old man. So like in the middle of the show, he was just like, started going on about pets, but meanwhile, quo madame, just flaming each other. And he just keeps butting in with.

[Mona]

Like my dummy me up. When he got that girlfriend a crowd.

[Joe Button]

I was like, in 2021, 13 different women who worked in your administration credibly accused you of sexual harassment. Since then, you have spent more than $20 million in taxpayer funds to defend yourself, all while describing these allegations as entirely political.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You have even gone so far as.

[Joe Button]

To legally go after these women. One of those women, Charlotte Bennett, is here in the audience this evening.

[Mona]

To.

[Joe Button]

Access her private gynecological records. She cannot speak up for herself because you lodged a defamation case against her. I, however, can speak. I, however, can't speak. Say to the 13 women that you sexually harassed.

[Mona]

He drove.

[Flip]

That's like battle rap paperwork out, Mark.

[Joe Button]

I'll toss it to you because you might actually run one day for something important. How does one person handle that? How do you respond to that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If I'm Cuomo and I'll play what.

[Joe Button]

He said, but I just want to hear from y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he was stumbling, bumbling, like he know.

[Joe Button]

I don't blame him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He look like he know what was about to.

[Parks]

His only real retort was, you never had a job.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. If I'm Cuomo, what I say is, you said a lot of things that are not entirely true. But out of respect for the victims, I will not dignify that with a response. You have to act like you're above.

[Flip]

The first line, or we are currently in some sort of legal debate, and I can't speak on that.

[Mona]

But that's the thing. It's over. It's old. It's old news. Ain't that thing with that lady old?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but because this is such a kill shot, you gotta even. Even with what you say. I agree with it, but you gotta go higher than that. You gotta be like. And you know, I can't speak on this. You're trying to manipulate the public to make it look like I'm being.

[Joe Button]

Let me play as answering what he said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

If you.

[Flip]

If you want to be in government, then you have to be serious and mature.

[Joe Button]

Bad start. Yeah.

[Flip]

Patience of sexual harassment they were then went to five district attorneys, fully litigated for four years.

[Joe Button]

The cases were dropped. Right.

[Flip]

You know, that is a fact.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So everything you just stated, stated, you.

[Joe Button]

Just said was a misstatement, which we're.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Accustomed was a miss.

[Joe Button]

Because the cases. The cases were dropped. That's what happened.

[Mona]

I think. I think that's. He did. He got his ass so good. And the reason why he is stumbling. He don't know what to say is because he don't just talk about it. He says, she's out there that you up. Like that's what him up. Yeah, that was good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He knew he lost that. You know, you lose the exchange the next day, people are Only talking about what was said to you and not what you said back.

[Joe Button]

Exactly, exactly.

[Mona]

Exactly. But the only response would have had to be, I care this much about sexual victims is so horrible that what happens with sexual victims. And, like, I. And you know that I can't. That has to be it. You gotta feel for the people or whatever. Or you could do the Republican thing where you just, like, come back with some bullshit. Vaccinations aren't even real.

[Joe Button]

Right, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But when. When your opponent is up in the 60s in percentage. You know what I mean? And Curtis Lee was making you look bad.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then you. You know, you gotta go hard.

[Mona]

Yeah. He snapped with Danny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This race is over.

[Joe Button]

Can you explain how you will make buses free?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You have 30 seconds to answer. Absolutely.

[Joe Button]

We will make buses free by replacing the revenue that the MTA currently gets from buses. This is revenue that's around $700 million or so. That's less money than Andrew Cuomo gave to elon Musk and $959 million in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tax credits when he was the governor. And the reason that we will do.

[Joe Button]

So is that making buses free doesn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just provide economic relief, but also public safety, because what we've seen is that.

[Joe Button]

It decreases assaults on bus drivers by 38.9%. New Yorkers deserve more than the slowest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Buses in the country.

[Joe Button]

I know. Now, that's where you're wrong, Mom. Donnie. Hey, you want us to know how to increase violence on the bus? Let them all on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, yo, Bob. Y' all niggas get on.

[Joe Button]

He got some views. That's a little. A little different. But he kicking ass. He's absolutely kicking ass, homeboy. Hell's Angels dudes is only debating. Only debating. He ain't said a word to Mom D yet.

[Parks]

Yeah, not really. Other than calling them both childish and in the way they're going back and forth. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

This is local news, so I'm not going to beat y' all to death, but if you're in the New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, tri state area, this is better than Scott.

[Parks]

He says, what do you say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's popping, tapping fannies and killing grannies.

[Mona]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a bar.

[Parks]

It's a bar.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, and you're right, it's a local race, but in some ways, it's a national referendum, because in the era of Trump, a Democratic, socialist, Muslim, South Asian, winning the mayoralty in a city like New York says something about something.

[Flip]

Trump's home city.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, in Trump's home city, it says something. And so that might be A signpost of what's to come in 2026 in the midterm elections, and ultimately 2028 in the presidential election. I don't know what it means yet. We gotta figure it out, but it means something.

[Flip]

Why I keep saying presidential elections of 2028?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it's funny you say that, because one of Trump's major advisors insisted yesterday, in fact, that Trump will run for a third. Third term in 2020.

[Mona]

Have y' all seen what he's done at the White House? White House. Did you see what he did?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

$50 million tearing down the East.

[Mona]

What person would do that? That wasn't their permanent home. He don't have no plans on leaving there. That's interesting when you think about it. Everybody that has lived there, they do little things to be comfortable, but you don't do permanent things. You do that to your home. When you don't plan on leaving the palace because you a king, that's when you do do that. Like that. And he purposely did it on that Monday before that. No King's protest. He did that on purpose. Because if he would have did it before that, then more people would have came out, because the visual of your White House being, like, tore down like that is shocking. It's jarring. Everybody that's seen it looks at it twice. What the. Right. Yeah, we.

[Flip]

Yep.

[Joe Button]

My view is not that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My.

[Joe Button]

My view is not that at all.

[Flip]

About him knocking on a wing.

[Joe Button]

Even if I were to submit to y' all theory, I don't think he's the healthiest.

[Flip]

I don't think so.

[Mona]

Oh, dead Cool. Yeah. If he died, we good. But if he don't, we.

[Joe Button]

And that's horrible to say.

[Flip]

No, that's horrible.

[Joe Button]

I don't wish death on nobody, but I don't think that he just going to bypass all the election rules and then have a reign of terror for another 20 years. I don't. I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have said that pre January6.

[Joe Button]

Neither.

[Mona]

Pre January6.

[Flip]

But if I bypass these rules, I can also name my name, my successor.

[Mona]

Come on. Pre January 6th. I would have said that and felt that way. But after watching that get on Twitter and basically, yo, let's go up there and turn this up. And they go up there and turn the up. And really, like, that happened. Like, please. I don't. I don't put nothing past him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think people. I don't think we gonna let him. I don't think anybody's gonna let it happen. Like, even if he does that, I Think they gonna try to assassinate him? I don't think he does it by Cool. But what if he. What if he successfully manages a constitutional amendment? What if he gets.

[Mona]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Button]

That's the other part that I'm a little mad at. They done told me more about Chauncey Billups than they have the. That tried to kill. This true?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's the truth.

[Mona]

You know what's fishy about that? That his parents was grocery shopping the next day. Why would you go get groceries the next day after your son do some shit like that? They caught them. Did y' all see that clip? When they catch them leaving the market with a bunch of groceries, you will go to a public grocery store, pack Saturday and buy groceries after your son tried to kill the president.

[Joe Button]

No, I would have groceries already.

[Mona]

Come on. You would get them delivered at least. That weekend issue. Not coming outside.

[Flip]

Everybody in that.

[Mona]

I'm just saying. Would you come outside on some real sh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Know what I would do?

[Flip]

Might not want to.

[Joe Button]

Might got to.

[Mona]

I think they came outside because that's not even their son.

[Flip]

Oh, y'.

[Parks]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You wear that, too.

[Joe Button]

You got that? Okay. You one of those?

[Mona]

Yeah, I think. I think this whole thing is strange. There's no way that everybody sees this person. There videos people saying, who's that up there? But none of the Secret Service noticed him. And then he's a perfect shot.

[Joe Button]

Can you state that?

[Mona]

And then they get a perfect picture. That picture of him with that blood with them barbs around him. That's a perfect picture to.

[Joe Button]

Hey, Big Mona.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not mad at what you.

[Joe Button]

I'm not mad at what you're saying. Just say that the thoughts and views that you're expressing right now are on.

[Mona]

The thoughts and views that I'm expressing right now are being represented by me and my boss, Joe Button.

[Joe Button]

Perfect. Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it.

[Flip]

That was it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was perfect. Damn.

[Joe Button]

That was it. What else needs our attention?

[Mona]

Lunch.

[Joe Button]

Crazy.

[Mona]

What y' all thinking?

[Joe Button]

That's not how the sweatshop works. That's not how it works. Damona.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They get more breaks at the sweat shop.

[Joe Button]

No, we going to get l soon. We going to get on soon. And I just came out there and gave you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was so good.

[Mona]

Oh, my God. Me and Jo had ribs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was how we beat. But I was smell good.

[Parks]

That was banging. I see how you stop the fight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you can see. Look how happy my son is that.

[Flip]

Gave her a piece of rib and said, yo, I just blessed you, girl.

[Joe Button]

What you Mean, you need lunch.

[Mona]

Yeah, that's exactly what just happened. I just gave you a cracker and you told me.

[Joe Button]

I'm hungry, dog. That's how any 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 course meal start.

[Mona]

That's all I need.

[Joe Button]

Is that some that while you plating this? They say it's just one little bite. Go ahead and get it.

[Mona]

Because if you eat too much, you.

[Flip]

Can'T work with some fancy.

[Joe Button]

And if you eat too much when you're not tasting, that's for people classier than me. I went there and starved. Hey, dog, when's the entree come out?

[Flip]

Yeah, I don't like them.

[Joe Button]

How close can y' all be to fake or fake man Parks?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you say fake man parts? No, fake man Parks. He didn't want parks.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I was yo you. Every episode I see you and Mona keep trying to make. I got a trick for y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was. I was. That was even a gay thing. I just was. I thought I was. I was confused.

[Joe Button]

Literally banging on that closet to somebody fake to someone that you know is fake?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It depends.

[Parks]

It depends on the fake.

[Flip]

Yeah. What's fake?

[Joe Button]

Well, then for conversation purposes, let's. Let's make up a fake then make it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Make it up somebody that's lying about everything.

[Joe Button]

So something that you would deem.

[Parks]

I've recently said how much I like the friend that lies about wild stories. I think that's cool.

[Joe Button]

Your friend is not the fake.

[Parks]

I agree.

[Joe Button]

I agree, agree. That's not true.

[Parks]

But someone could wait, hold. Take it as such.

[Flip]

It depend on how much it depend on the lie.

[Joe Button]

Your liar friend. All right. I don't put him in the same boat.

[Mona]

Yeah, I need to know what y mean. Fake stay fake ex. I thought about like this. The guy you work at the office with, he fake as. So you know he going to be cool with you acting like, you know, it's cool to steal a little time do all this. But you know, he the. That go in the supervisors and give it up. You know what I mean? That fake guy, how long could you claim to him? How long would you play that game with him before you really like whoever.

[Joe Button]

This person is in front of your face? You know that they not like that behind your back or in front of other people. They switch up. They are. They adapt to rooms. They are chameleon esque. Okay, I'm okay with a chameleon.

[Flip]

But not fake.

[Parks]

There's a difference.

[Joe Button]

Yo, dog, once even you're right.

[Flip]

Once I learn that you're. You may not have my best Interest at all part or you be on phony.

[Joe Button]

I ain't with you. I don't want to sit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

And depending on how useful and especially in the workplace part. In the workplace. I'll with you. I'll talk to you in the workplace. But that's the extent of where our relationship is going to go.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Flip]

You get what I'm saying? Like, I'm not kikiing with you outside of here. I'm not. I don't. I'm scared of that. My keeping it a buck with you. I'm scared of that. And then.

[Joe Button]

All right, let me change the question for y'. All. Cause I see how this. I see how this could be confused. I'll change the. Huh. Oh, let me hear it then. I'm sorry.

[Mona]

Personally, it's a. Now, when I was younger, I would do that. Like, I've had been in full friendships. People that I know were fake. Like, so it might even be a street thing where this person has stuff that I need or connections that I need. So I'm involved in this relationship because of what I get out of it, right? But at this big age, my temper doesn't allow it. So it's like, once I say to you, okay, this is it. This is this. I don't like that you did that or you did it. And we get it clear that I'm recognizing what you doing and I don't like it. And then you still exhibit that. I take that, that you can't help that. Right. And the best thing I could do is stay away from you before I punch you in your face. Cause that fake shit really, really irritates me. Especially when you give me one thing and we rap it out, we figure it out, and then it just switch. Cause niggas around, I fucking loathe that shit. It makes me sick.

[Joe Button]

See, that's where I was about to advance it to, Right? Like, where or what behavior or characteristic do you need to see from somebody to now limit how far that relationship could go? It could be small or big. If you know somebody is cheating on their wife. If you know somebody don't take care of kids. If you know somebody shits on public servants. If you know somebody is lying to or telling just a crazy lie to somebody maybe shouldn't lie to. What do you need to see to be like, you know what? Boundary time. Protection time.

[Parks]

It's trustworthy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I was gonna say, to answer you, the person that, like, if I see you cool with somebody, but when they not around you. Yeah. You cheat on Them. And I see, okay, you act different depending on who's in your face. Then I know I can't. I can. I gotta keep you at arm's length. Like, even if I. Hi. Bye.

[Joe Button]

What's up?

[Flip]

You know, I'm not giving you no information. I'm not giving you nothing that you could use against me. Because if you talk about everybody, you're gonna talk about me.

[Mona]

I really believe you when you say that too. Like, I know you not just potting. You dead serious.

[Flip]

I'm dead ass.

[Mona]

Yeah. I don't know, when you said something about people not taking care of their children. Sidebar. I think things like that a person that doesn't take care of their kids or pretends like they don't have kids or don't pay any attention, they can't be a friend. They can't be a business partner. I don't think that you can do those two things. Like, I don't think you can totally ignore the kid that came from your body and be a good friend or a business partner. That's just my personal opinion. Some things that you do are that bad of a thing that it affects your character as a person. So you know what I mean? You're just kind of shit to me and kids the same women or men. And I'm talking about not some people that don't do the best with it. Because there's some people that just pretend them kids don't exist. Like, niggas like that. You can't trust people like that. And in my experience, every time, I'm always right about that. Like, if somebody will fuck their kid over, what they gonna do to you?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If I see anybody doing anything shady to somebody else, I assume they'll do it to me when I'm no longer useful to them. And I put a wall up immediately.

[Joe Button]

Immediately.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to.

[Parks]

Not same.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to almost enjoy Joy's overstating it, but I used to. There's something about. No, I used to, like, know. Like, I would know about them and they didn't know that I knew. And so I could.

[Mona]

I could kind of kick out of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I got kind of kick out of saying, I know you fucked up, and I know you think you're getting over them and you're not. And I could kind of thrive on that. But I realized that's just too much psychological and emotional energy and it's not worth it.

[Flip]

I'm just the opposite now in my younger years, because I was running around. I wouldn't. I wouldn't when I say I wouldn't say hi, my nigga, I wouldn't say hi. Now, I could navigate it. I've learned to navigate it. Like, you could cut somebody off and they not know they cut off. You get what I'm saying? So now I'm not gonna create the tension. You get what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Sure.

[Flip]

But to. To what you said, like, when I was younger, I thought just the opposite. When I was younger, I wouldn't fuck with you. You would know I don't fuck with you. Right now, depending on the context, I'm gonna navigate it. But you're not going.

[Mona]

Because when you show it, you showed your hand. Yeah.

[Flip]

You're not gonna get close to me.

[Parks]

There's levels to phoniness to me. Like, there's a lot that's true. There's some that's like you're kind of a. But you're not, like intentionally harmful or diarrhea. You're not dying. Yeah, but I try not to be around it in general.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Honestly. I show my hand all the time. I can't. I'm the opposite of that. Yeah, I'll let you know now if I know you phony and you fucked up, I ain't fucking with you. And you gonna know I'm not fucking with you. You gonna know that. I know that you're like that. I want you to know that. Cause I feel like you can't. There's nothing that I'm not gonna bring you in. You unfollow them, I block them. I unfollow them. I let them know. See, I don't. Ever since when I went to Invest Fest and that DJ head told me what Top said. Like, niggas change their numbers because they don't know how to say no. I attribute that to the same thing. Like, I don't have to play a game with you in order to make myself feel good or make you feel good. I don't have to play possum. I'm gonna let you know, I don't fuck with you. You phony. I don't fuck with you. I don't like. You use a clown and that's it. I'm straight up now. Is it good? Not necessarily. All the time. It's not good, right? You showing your hand too much. But I like to be up front. And I want you to know what you're getting into when you come into a room and an environment with me.

[Flip]

I used to feel like that. I don't feel like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's ignorant. I'm also. It's ignorant. That's why you mature. That's why I fuck with you. Mature. That. That take, you know? Cause it's a lot.

[Flip]

I definitely used to do that, but.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm not fucking with you, man. Niggas do shit and want you to join up with them while they doing. They want you to laugh with them when you watching them do sucker shit. I think it was a sucker. No, I know you a sucker. Ain't trying to involve you in other ways, so.

[Mona]

Nah, I don't think it's ignorant. I just feel like with me, I always hated when I look back at a situation and I felt like the things that I did weren't necessarily the things I wanted to do. So I almost felt like a chessboard. Like this nigga moving me around from the things they doing. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

So that's what it makes me think of. When you show your hand, it's almost like, I'm gonna do all that, you know? I don't think it's ignorant, though. It's just, you know, I don't know. I prefer stuff to be straightforward anyway. But it don't matter, motherfucker. Be straightforward with you. Tuesday, Wednesday is different thing. We in a different time. Like, and we came up and in such different times that the adjustment had to be made for all of us because the world flipped upside down. Like, things were very different when we came up. Like, the people that we looked up and we wanted to be grown and be like, it's not the same thing out here no more. It's totally different. Like, morals and all that and, like, principles that shit out. That's why I hate when people bring up the rat conversation, because it's like niggas tell all the time. They're like, why it's not the same thing from back in the day where you had a little honor with that street shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I think even in a lot of niggas, rat and we just didn't know about.

[Mona]

No, of course. But it's the way it went, though. You know what I mean? And what you were ostracized. And that's you not in the cool kids grouping. Might do something to you, you know what I mean? It's like from that, too. This my man. It's my big bro. Because he got a couple dollars. It's crazy because that's where we at now. As long as your money right, it don't matter who you sold on, like, at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that was some walking around after they Told they're just walking in the office, them just moving around, doing whatever they wanted to do. And then 6ix9ine got accepted, you know, when he came home, because people doing records with him, there's a lot, you know, we watch it gradually change. And there's a lot of people that still stand on principles when it comes to telling.

[Mona]

So if 6ix9ine was back in the day, we wouldn't know what that purple toupee looked like because after that happened, he would have just been with hip hop. You could not be a known rat and be in the realm of that like the. That. No, it was impossible. Like it didn't happen.

[Joe Button]

But, you know, I feel y'. All. But Frank White telling it didn't change the blue magic to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He wasn't using blue Magic.

[Flip]

Frank Lucas.

[Joe Button]

Frank Lucas, Yeah. Hey, Frank Lucas at the end of Blue Magic was telling all that. Hey, guess what? This one's still a pretty good movie fact. Hey, and if you take. Yo, if you take snitching out some of our favorite movies, a New Jack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

City ain't the same.

[Mona]

Yeah. Frank Lucas told k drugs again and went to jail again. Like, yeah, Nino snitched in the movie.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nicky Bones told.

[Mona]

I got some information on that.

[Flip]

Light skin didn't snitch.

[Mona]

Huh?

[Flip]

Nino didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He did. He snitched him. Kbar. He stood there.

[Joe Button]

What do you mean?

[Mona]

Pretty light skinned nigga.

[Joe Button]

He's got some deep idea why he didn't snap. Snitch.

[Flip]

He didn't snitch, cuz. He told a lie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he implicated somebody else.

[Flip]

He told a lie.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Flip]

He told a lie about a. That didn't do what he said he did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but here's the problem with very big difference. No, not if the. That you lied on point. I said you manipulated them.

[Mona]

I've never heard that. But if you think about it, it's a lot because in reality, they're pretty light skinned. Was like the financial guy, he was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Involved in a drug enterprise, right.

[Mona]

But he didn't touch drugs. And then Nino says some shit like he the one that really ran the organization.

[Joe Button]

Nah, he did tell him. Christopher Williams.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's telling on him. That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

He just said he the one who really ran it. No, he told a lie on the N. Like, again, when you hear the dude I was just talking about, when you hear his story, he like, yo, dawg, N. S was coming to court that I never did business with in my life and was like, yo, I got My work from him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's ratting.

[Flip]

I never did business with the nigga in my life.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's still ratting because he's a drug. If I'm a fireman and you say that it's just lying if I had actually sell drugs. That's what Prem said in the new documentary. It's snitching.

[Flip]

It's not but all right they both weasels. They both pieces of weasels but it's a difference but it's cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Flip]

I'm not giving no glory to the nino was a piece of donkey. Don't be clear. I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

Okay there you have it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't going to lie. We we got it.

[Mona]

I was in level Wesley Snipes when that movie came out you that was like hey it's so weird I thought he was so mean.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Demolition man. That's you A dark skinned guy's your thing. Yeah you told us what's the on the color chart? What's the dark the lightest you'll go.

[Mona]

I would I don't really care. I just prefer black.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you would date somebody Ish's complexion.

[Mona]

Or Joe's complexion I would date. I am not somebody that wouldn't date somebody because of their looks. I just have a preference like most of my wasn't black though I don't think I even had had any really probably past one or two. I had one yellow one it was rough cuz you know them light skinned they either Drake or I turn that.

[Flip]

Could still call you they beating you they could call you at 4 in the morning.

[Mona]

Is my daughter's father that's my he can't call me at 4 cuz that's.

[Flip]

My buty hemothy I used to beat.

[Mona]

The out my life don't cry he.

[Flip]

Could call you right now at 4am.

[Mona]

You use the word cry out one more time set it up.

[Joe Button]

We sorry Damon my bad we sorry I'm sorry sorry Cleo is cute sorry Cleo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah we love you.

[Flip]

What what I'm telling you is that call you right now my baby father.

[Mona]

Is you crazy you have baby moms.

[Flip]

Yes yes you would hit your baby.

[Mona]

Mom at 4 in the morning of your 15 year old like get the on I don't my baby dad are you crazy? That's my where you get where you going?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you always get up my baby.

[Mona]

Daddy bad you be getting up like.

[Joe Button]

Babe she be s look she made you get tea that ran hopped off made him get some te like y'.

[Mona]

All might revisit But I don't do that. We ain't doing that. That's how you. How do you raise a kid? You going back, you cannot like see. Come on, let's move on. But yeah, I ain't hitting the baby dads. That's crazy. What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Two light skinned laughing with each other.

[Joe Button]

That's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, nobody saying that. Hell no.

[Joe Button]

Go.

[Mona]

You still up?

[Joe Button]

This is a funny dude. Nothing. I ain't saying nothing. I'm chilling. Me and my big mom's cool, so I'm just shutting up.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Flip]

That's where it's at. Stay there. We cool.

[Joe Button]

Freeze.

[Flip]

That's all that matters.

[Mona]

My baby dad's cool too.

[Joe Button]

I don't know how cool we was before she fell in love. Well, that's, that's.

[Mona]

Oh, before she moved on.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, now that's important. But I'm shutting up because I gotta shut up. She'll call me at a point.

[Mona]

Turning to family. Is she your family too? That's your family.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of course.

[Joe Button]

You got them, right?

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I don't care if she don't come to the door when I'm dropping them off. I don't care.

[Mona]

My baby that get a plate and all that.

[Joe Button]

That means she don't know when I'm pulling off before I'm supposed to too. He'll figure it out. Hey, you old enough to put the coat and he old enough to fight off the attackers. I'm joking. By the way. It ain't medicine time. Get your ass back over here. You just be doing the Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm starting to fall in love with these parts of the show. Did anybody write one in?

[Joe Button]

In another hour we'll find out. You understand y' all gotta be playing. I don't give a fuck what you fell in love with, nigga. It's three o'.

[Mona]

Clock.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, at four o' clock we'll get to what the part of the show. Look, these real pieces we going to teach these newbies.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Joe Button]

Hey, these newbies think they calling too many shots around here. Hey, Mark, don't touch that down. Part of the show's coming.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't in no hurry. I saw your eyes going up and.

[Joe Button]

Down on that board.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I got my own board, okay?

[Joe Button]

I don't deal with that board. And don't look where my eyes is going.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you.

[Joe Button]

Oh, let's see here what I got here. Here. How close could be to the fake Best Rap Song vs. Damon Jones, Billups well.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Turns out.

[Joe Button]

As luck would happen, it is part of the showtime. Look at that. You a man is part of the showtime.

[Flip]

Was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Whoa. All right. This is mad long dog. Your $50 don't buy you this amount of time with me. This. Sorry. No, that's your people. Let's see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Simon.

[Joe Button]

Oh, here go y. Read this one. All right, It. Hell, nah, man. Let's see. My question's at the end, but I'm holding the academics accountable. No, enough of them now. Enough of them. I don't want to do it. No more academics. No more academics talks. I did see Charlemagne. Hold it down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Button]

I do want to shout out. Let me shout him out.

[Flip]

Shout him out.

[Joe Button]

Shout out Charlemagne.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean.

[Joe Button]

All right, anyway.

[Mona]

What the. What the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The 10 second abridged version, y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Charlemagne appeared on native land to kind of hold them to task for how they engaged us. So this is like the third round of food for Thanksgiving, in a sense. Like, the content is producing more content. Basically, everybody's making money off us. Flip. That's the short answer.

[Joe Button]

But Charlamagne used his voice to defend.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me and us and the pod. Yeah. No, Charlamagne held it down.

[Joe Button]

And I appreciate that. Let me not even make a joke about it. I do appreciate Charlamagne doing that. He didn't have to do it, especially with his people. So I'm assuming that he really, really believes that and felt that way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So shout out to him. Did anybody. Did anybody double down? You should watch it. I don't want to over promote the other. The other platforms, but it was a spirited exchange between Charlemagne and Tiffany, the.

[Joe Button]

Same little nobody girl that nobody cared about the first time, which is why we didn't say your name the first time, because you're not nobody. It don't matter that you double.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She's somebody if you know.

[Joe Button]

No, she not. She's not nobody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Tiffany Cross. She's somebody. Former MSNBC host.

[Joe Button]

You may be somebody in that world, Angela.

[Mona]

Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If I'm somewhere. Somebody call you nobody. I'm not going. I'm not going to be quiet. Respect. He can say it, but I know that's my people. I'm not going to say Mar.

[Mona]

They call me nobody somewhere.

[Joe Button]

Let them have it same. Give a. I mean, you just be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flying with a nobody.

[Joe Button]

Like, what's wrong with that, too?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She ain't nobody.

[Joe Button]

She.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She is somebody.

[Mona]

She is a somebody to her. Her people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you. I go watch it more.

[Joe Button]

Let's see, let's see. Let's See, let's see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll go down with the Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac said the bear was playing why the ship go down. And I do the same thing for y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I appreciate that. I, I'm phony. I, I, I don't engage. How many times a week I gotta.

[Joe Button]

Be like, no, I don't require y' all to do that for me neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You hold you down. Stop.

[Joe Button]

Somebody's saying something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold you down too much. Shut up.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead and let them say it. My, I' ma see him at some point, you know what I mean? Don't worry about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And what if they say something about us?

[Joe Button]

What you doing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What do they say? Saying about us, what you doing?

[Joe Button]

Joining in. What are they saying?

[Flip]

You right.

[Joe Button]

What did they say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What if they say something about me, what you doing Or Mona or, or ish.

[Joe Button]

Are they right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they right.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I'mma check them.

[Mona]

Joe, what do people, Joe, when people do say things about us, what kind of things do they say them?

[Joe Button]

Only the part that they they being funny, cuz they know I'm an introvert and I don't be nowhere talking to people. These rules only apply because these are the talkative ass. Mark got a new friend every show. It's got all the friend. This whole couch got all the friends you just got.

[Flip]

You just got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Friendly too.

[Joe Button]

You guys are friendlier than me. Y' all about to take it like I'm dissing y' all and I'm not. They, they are friendlier than me. I don't really speak to a bunch of people.

[Flip]

You just got the spaces. You can sit in your home and you know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, good looking. Yeah, them talk.

[Flip]

Mind my business till you put my name in.

[Joe Button]

Ye haven't been there in, in ages. I ain't, I ain't talking Imani's face right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish the America could see Imani's face right now.

[Joe Button]

A month and a half. I said over. I didn't say a month and a half. I said over a month and a half. I ain't been there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What are you talking about, Joe?

[Flip]

Imani looked like if we was playing Open Neck. No respect.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, yo, Slap out Crazy. He was just over there.

[Joe Button]

Over where?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On spaces, talking to them niggas. You'll be on spaces.

[Joe Button]

I'm at the about the Sunday Joe Button pod.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what, that's what he's talking about. The same thing.

[Joe Button]

Oh, that, that show is an extension of this show that's like work. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the Monday through Saturday. Yeah, true. I'm talking about the Monday through Saturday. Just space. All day space. I'm not. I'm not in there. I ain't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's over for that.

[Flip]

Who your favorite running back? All time.

[Joe Button]

Of all time. This stupid Amar Brasher.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is Amar Br good or you just a that boy good?

[Joe Button]

Anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let'S see you bad like that for you.

[Joe Button]

I do think we ran through that entire list. There's nothing else there that I think needs our attention. Is there anything else that's burning a hole in you guys? Mind, body, spirit, or souls that you need to get out on your platform or your weekend? Just won't be the same.

[Parks]

Nah, I don't think so.

[Flip]

Nope.

[Joe Button]

Really good pod, y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This was great.

[Joe Button]

Really, really, really, really good pod. This is a squad, too. This a squad right here. Right here. I want to shout out Patreon for our collaborative billboards that. That we put up in Los Angeles, right, right before the Golden Globes. Just to be a dick. Just to be a dick I hit you with.

[Flip]

My mom said, yo, them shit's fire.

[Joe Button]

Like, absolutely fire. Make a statement. Disrupt some it. You goddamn right. Shout out to Patreon for that. You know, I mean, way to be bold.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out Patreon.

[Joe Button]

Timing it. All right. On the cusp of them putting out all them white podcasters. Yeah, yo, also, before this end, I got some. I got to share on my heart, yo, if you're betting against me. Bad bet.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, he told them.

[Joe Button]

Talk. Nah, again. I mean, look, I can't. Yes, you can't.

[Flip]

You can, though.

[Joe Button]

But I want to tell y' all because this is like, a good stock. And I know it's some hate listeners out there. I know it's some people that critique our every move in everything we do. When we nominated, when we not nominated. How long is it gonna last? Fucking homeboy said it should be gone by episode 600. They say all types of. They say all types of shit. I feel compelled to tell you now that I have a pretty clear vision of what the next two years is about to look like. I'm telling you, trust me, all you gotta do. Even if you think I lie every day, trust me, don't bet against me in these next few years. 20 plus years should tell y', all, right? I'm a lot of things, but I keep stuff on my sleeve and. Come on, man. Oh, this next move. Oh, this next one is a doozy.

[Flip]

It's gonna them up.

[Joe Button]

It's a There you go. I'm just go. I wish I could say something.

[Flip]

Nah, don't.

[Joe Button]

I wish I could say something nowhere near what you asked. Hey, this next one, I'm telling you, I'm out of here. Gone. So y' all still got some time to. Yeah, I mean, I got some time to do it the right way. It just hit me the other day like some online be betting against me and I be wanting to give them clues. I be wanting to get them hints like you bad time. Change some of the takes. I'm telling you, don't doubt them creative. They thinking wacko. And it comes to fruition. Mindset, moodset. The next. Oh my God. Play some music. Play some music, boy. Yo, this next move so big, I don't even worry about the fact I'm underpaid right now. Like, that's not even at the very tip of my mind. Like, I'm back in my creative zone. Oh, it's in trouble for y' all anyway. I know y' all are happy for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Very happy.

[Parks]

For sure.

[Joe Button]

I know that already. I know that already, man. Underpaid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you pay yourself.

[Joe Button]

Could be I'm underpaid. Not that it matters because God, my God is a good one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

It don't matter. Like, we're blessed. We're blessed, we're blessed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I look into that later.

[Joe Button]

But if I get into self centered ego land, which is where I spend.

[Flip]

A lot of time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, got it.

[Flip]

Got membership year round, year round.

[Joe Button]

Park. Park where I want residency in this park where I want.

[Flip]

Great view.

[Joe Button]

Pull right up.

[Flip]

I ain't. I'll be back.

[Joe Button]

I ain't leaving. And it's important to know when you should check your self centeredness and your ego. That's true. So I don't want to sound uneducated or like. Like I lack cool. I also think it's important to know when you should lean into. I don't think that's said enough there. That's it. Hey, Mona, Phil, Mona and Flip. This is good for us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't do nothing.

[Joe Button]

Hey, this. This Demona. This is so. Hey, we asked for this mother.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This shout out to Mona.

[Flip]

Shout out.

[Joe Button]

So different, yet so the same. Like us. This. This chick like us. This chick like this, this chick like us. Oh my God, the scary sight. Anyway, anywho, let me give you some good outro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did she go? I think she.

[Joe Button]

Where you can't do what you want on your second week. All right. She get a little more time than the fellas because she be having to get a wig, right? I mean, that whole electrocuted look last week, Yo. Hopefully y' all enjoyed this episode as much as I enjoyed delivering it to you. And please believe I had a blast. I had an absolute blast. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you adieu. Farewell, Adios, arriba dirche. Hasta la vista. So long, goodbye. Or a simple head nod will suffice. I'm black, so we can't talk over the next part. Here you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Disappear. Hey.

[Joe Button]

Yo, what y' all on this weekend? What y' all on this weekend? Come on now.

[Mona]

Detroit, baby.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tonight. Going to see Robert Glasper up at the Blue Note. Blue Note.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Parks]

Tonight?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. How many nights is he there?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Robert Glass was doing like four or five nights up there. He been here all week.

[Joe Button]

I might go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's worth it.

[Parks]

Might be a little Sunday night.

[Joe Button]

I love Robert Glassford, the Blue Note. And again, that little clam chowder. New Orleans soup or whatever that is. I'm telling you, New Orleans.

[Flip]

What you, you, you, you right at.

[Joe Button]

The cusp of what? I'm a foodie.

[Flip]

I got too much money. I don't give a no more, you know? And you gonna be like 290 out this.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I'm 240. Yeah. Like firm. It ain't saying 238 no. More like 2:42. Like a hard. Yeah, that's teetering.

[Flip]

Listen, that. That was the wake up 238. First day with the trainer. They got to get all your measurements and get you right. Now, the first day you did that.

[Joe Button]

This world, apparently Muscle M weighs more than fat.

[Flip]

It does or whatever, but they put that BMI on your ass last Sunday. They put the BMI on you like.

[Joe Button]

I don't know what that is.

[Flip]

Your body mass index. Like where they do your. Oh, body fat and all that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, no, I'll tell you off, Mike. No, that's just.

[Flip]

I ain't like none of them numbers.

[Joe Button]

All right. Demona, where you at this weekend?

[Mona]

Damona, I'm in Detroit.

[Joe Button]

What up, though?

[Mona]

I'm in Indig.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to the Detroit Chicks. Flip. Where you at this weekend?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Vsu. Okay. Virginia State. That's a school, right?

[Joe Button]

All right. Shout out to Virginia. Here's what you want this weekend.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anything.

[Flip]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm at your house this weekend.

[Joe Button]

No, he won't be there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't live in Virginia State.

[Joe Button]

He won't be there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm coming back to Your crib. Oh, and I'm doing that sleepover I'm doing.

[Joe Button]

Oh, that's this weekend?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's Sunday.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

With people. Oh, yeah. You could go out this weekend, cuz you've been home the last few weekends.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, you know what? The dog dog babysitting.

[Flip]

This nigga's clocking my weekend. What the is wrong with you?

[Joe Button]

I just. I just see when your lady let you out and when your lady say, hey, you got to feed the dog, stay in for the next four days and you do it. This ain't to go out and you do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it ain't it.

[Joe Button]

No. He can go out in there. I'm said this is not the red. The red balency.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. And the red match in the back of the. The new balances. Okay. And socks coordinate. You got to deal with them, boy.

[Joe Button]

Is wifey home? Home like. Or did she leave town?

[Flip]

She's home.

[Joe Button]

All right. All right. So you'll get in her. You'll get in at the right time. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he'll get into the right time. This ain't parks, Mark. What y' all on this weekend studio Saturday tonight.

[Parks]

I might be outside. We'll see. Sunday I'm shooting some. So. Yeah, busy, busy, busy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Blue do the night. Philly did the rest of the weekend handling some stuff.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I think I'm.

[Flip]

What's that stuff?

[Joe Button]

Some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some social events business. And I might catch part of the sixes game. Home opener. Okay.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Charlotte.

[Joe Button]

Just when we thought we had heard the end of this Drake Kendrick stuff. Now the Blue Jays have the Dodgers in the world series. And it's a storyline.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Perfect storyline. That's funny.

[Joe Button]

No, it's true. What you are. What I doing this weekend. Horn H. No, I'm not doing no horn and hs. That's for suckers. I don't do that. They can't scare me. Once I learned they couldn't scare me. Once I learned nothing. Nothing frightens me then I didn't do that no more. I was always let down. You know, this weekend I think we going to pick a restaurant and go talk about how we made up this week. Like, have a talk about it. We did. We did the silent makeup. But now it's like, let's have the conversation. Yeah, let's have it over some. I mean, legos or something. Steakhouse.

[Parks]

The post fight dinner is a nice one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's always nice.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it is. We gonna kiss some stuff. You guys.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We gonna kiss at the dinner table.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, come on, man. Hey, hold up now. Hold up now. Oh, I didn't see you again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I go crazy.

[Joe Button]

When I look in your eyes. I still go crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't know what this is.

[Joe Button]

Yo, y' all should be ashamed of yourself. This one of those.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get Shazam.

[Joe Button]

For, right? All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Know all that.

[Joe Button]

All right, we ending this, man. Y' all hold it down till next time, same place. I mean, same time. Next week, the Mona won't be here. You don't deserve a full week of Demona. Again. Y' all don't deserve a full week of Demona. Yeah, I mean, Mona being next Friday if you're lucky. If you is lucky. That's it, man. Y' all hold it down, man. Kiss your family members. Call the people you love. Tell them you love them. Life is short, but it's long. Long, but it's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, sign up to that.

[Joe Button]

Joe Button Patreon. Sign up to that Mark Lamar Hill Patreon. Sign up to that Flip and Imani Patreon. Separate, Separate. Separate. Way deep down inside. Hey, and that's it, man. We going. I know some good news gonna break this weekend too. Some good news is gonna break. We'll fold that up right now. You've never heard of Joe, buddy?