Episode 874 | "Miley & Molly"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast — Ep. 874 | "Miley & Molly"

Date: November 1, 2025
Main Cast: Joe Budden, Big Freeze (Ice), Imani, Mona, Mark Lamont Hill
Episode Theme: Post-Halloween camaraderie and costumes segue into candid conversation about current hip-hop, pop-culture hot topics, societal debates, and the power of art, all delivered in the crew’s signature irreverent, energetic style.

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OVERVIEW

This episode is a classic JBP mix of humor, hip-hop critique, lived experiences, and wild tangents. The crew—festively dressed up from lingering Halloween spirit—waxes on everything from the customs of Mischief Night and Halloween as adults, to the state of music in 2025 (AI’s impact, billboard drama, and new album drops). Heavy moments arrive as they discuss outing in the LGBTQ+ community, AI’s future in art and life (including grief and mourning), and New York’s mayoral race.

But the tone stays loose. It’s jokes, personal stories, inside-baseball on the music industry, and heated debate about “sensitive” topics—especially Sydney Sweeney, white-girl nightlife, and, as always, who reigns supreme in a Jay-Z “versus”.

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KEY SEGMENTS & DISCUSSION POINTS

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1. Halloween Aftermath & Mischief Night ([00:00]–[17:00])

• Panel in Halloween costumes, clowning about reactions to being dressed up (“I got a migraine!” Joe, [02:06]).
• Old-school Mischief Night memories (egging, toilet paper).
• “Do kids still do Mischief Night?” Mona asks. Mark: “Philly, that’s all we used to do… We did that more than Halloween.” ([16:21])
• Mark tells a hilarious story of chasing kids who stole his $200 Benihana takeout ([17:14–18:48]).

Notable Quote (on Halloween candy paranoia):
Joe: “Maybe we didn’t search the candy as great as we thought. Hey, maybe they did sneak that fentanyl in the Snickers.” ([23:51])

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2. Podder of the Month & Crew Dynamics ([11:33]–[13:16])

• Mona is named "Podder of the Month" despite only being on the show for a month.
• Joe & the crew banter about Mona’s group-chat etiquette and late replies.

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3. Instacart & Male Shopping Fails ([20:46]–[22:28])

• “When we get male Instacart drivers, it’s instant rage, instant frustration.” – Mona ([20:57])
• Mark complains: “I ordered Albanese gummy bears—they replaced it with a Starbucks macchiato. Dude said, ‘They both $3.79 and got sugar in it.’” ([22:04])
• Jokes about shopping incompetence and couple Instacart drivers.

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4. Music Industry Talk: Posthumous Albums & New Drops ([40:45]+)

Big L’s Album & Joe’s “Fake” Feature ([41:24]–[42:29])

• Mark L. Hill: “Went straight to Joe Budden [on Big L’s album]… Not one bar, not one verse—what the fuck?”
• Joe: “Shout out to the Big L project… Did you really believe I was going to stop what I’m doing right now and go rap?” ([41:43])

Other Notables

• Praise for Lloyd Banks’ “Halloween Havoc 6” ([46:44]), Westside Gunn’s project (48:03), and Ransom & DJ Premier collab (49:03).
• Rant about discovering new music in 2025 and surprise album drops ([52:34+]).
• Posthumous albums: Admiration for how Big L’s family involved fans in selecting tracks, and new tech (AI) for vocal extraction ([43:40]).

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5. Hip-Hop & Billboard—Crisis or New Era? ([96:51]+)

• First time since 1995 no rap song is in Top 40. Dismissed as a “non-issue” by Joe and the crew.

Joe: “If we… in respect to Billboard… My views are—Billboard is a fixed system. They change the rules whenever they want.” ([97:59])

• Celebration that artists find “alternate means” and are no longer defined by the charts.
• Shoutout to Mass Appeal (Hip-Hop 50 label efforts) as a beacon for the culture ([45:36]).

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6. AI, Music, and The Future ([73:40]+)

• AI-Generated Sleepers Controversy:
  • Ish accidentally picks an AI song as “Sleeper.” Joe: “Does it matter?” Group agrees AI is a threat to real artists’ coin and legacy but admits: “That was a really good song.” ([75:29])
• Cautious but frank discussion about AI “robots” as companions, conscious upload, and immortality.
• Mark admits he’d consider an AI/robotic recreation of a loved one: “...solitude and loneliness... this seems like an alternative.” Mona: “No, it’s freak.” ([118:15])

[78:09] Mona: “It’s too dangerous, especially when you say it sounds like Imani [AI voice cloning]… Imagine working for years and then you hear this shit.”

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7. Offset/Cardi B Divorce Bars, Art-as-Response Debate ([54:29]–[65:10])

• Mona: “I appreciate when artists go through and put it in their art... Artists are supposed to respond with songs.”
• Debate: Did Offset’s “how you leaving Jordan for Rodman?” line go too far?
• Joe: “As a guy, you can have a feeling about it… The way she handles [a breakup] can make me look at you differently.” ([60:52])
• Ice/Freeze: “You can’t say I’m not hurt and then throw jabs. That’s not what men do.”

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8. Outing, LGBTQ+ Issues, & Hypocrisy ([87:00]–[95:50])

• Mark Lamont Hill shares a story about a public Muslim community figure publicly denouncing gay people while secretly attending Pride ([88:19]).
• Moral debate: Should hypocrites be “outed”? [Most: No, but can see why some would.]
• Mona: “A lot of times, people hate that part of them so they just project real bad… serial killers that’d be gay and then murder the guy right after sex.”

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9. Licensing, Artist Rights, and the Modern Music Biz ([110:46]+)

• The indie vs. label “money math”—make more selling 13k copies solo than 75k via label.
• “If you make music, find a way to sell it. Alleviate the middleman and just do that for your life. I promise you’ll be fine.” — Joe ([111:12])
• Side discussion about the money in content creation for kids; praise for “Ms. Rachel” and viral children’s YouTubers ([114:05]).

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10. Adidas, Pharrell, and Brand Dilution ([150:03]+)

• Pharrell’s highly exclusive “Jellyfish” sneakers quickly replaced by cheap “Squid” copies.
• Joe: “This is what Kanye was talking about… you’re cheapening what Pharrell means to culture… for short-term gain.”
• Ice: “You’re talking about exclusivity and Ferrari owners. They [Adidas] just care about selling sneakers at volume. Two different markets.”

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11. Jay-Z in a Versus: Can Anyone Challenge Hov? ([130:31]+)

• Crew debates if anyone could beat Jay-Z in a Versus battle. Shortlist: Drake, Kanye, maybe Future, Kendrick.
• Mona: “If we bring Versus back, we need more celebrity boxing… Judge Mathis vs. Judge Joe Brown.”
• Joe fantasizes about podcaster boxing matches for charity (“There’s a few out there… come to Central Park and get pause put on y’all for play play.” [136:01])

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12. Sydney Sweeney, White Girl Nightlife, and Titties ([174:00]+)

• A lengthy, wild, and comically explicit riff on Sydney Sweeney’s viral red-carpet dress (and those who criticized it).
• Notable Riffs:
  • Joe: “Everybody in here knows when they catch the vibe with the little fly white freaky joint… Halloween’s when we pop these types of…”
  • Mark and the crew: “The right set of titties attracts men that aren’t titty men.”
• Secondary debate on red-carpet nudity, Megan Kelly’s prudery, and “rules” for displaying areola ([181:14]–[182:00]).
• Joe: “I’m not a titty man. I’m a man who can appreciate great tits… maybe I’m a titty guy.”

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13. Politics: NY Mayoral Race, Hope, and Skepticism ([199:13]+)

• Mark explains the New York mayoral race, Cuomo vs. Mamdani vs. Curtis Sliwa’s trio.
• Big Freeze (Ice): “All these politicians sell hope and paint pie-in-the-sky visions they can’t deliver.”
• Mark: “But progress starts with a vision… even actionable steps matter.”
• Joe (on NY cost of living): “For New Yorkers, it’s just too expensive not to want something radically different.”

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14. Closing, Sports, and More Jokes ([212:43]+)

• Brief comments on cable/sports network disputes, baseball salary cap debates, and the World Series.
• The episode winds down with classic JBP sign-off (“Remember, life is a series of moments… make this last as if it’s all we have…”).

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• “Who’s still checking their kid’s Halloween candy for fentanyl? You know that’s just an urban legend, right?” — Mark Lamont Hill ([24:19])
• “Your hands are bisexual.” — Joe/Big Freeze, debating Offset’s divorce bars ([56:08])
• “If you make art, alleviate the middleman and just do that for your life.”—Joe ([111:12])
• Mona: “I appreciate when artists respond through music, not tweets and interviews.” ([54:39])
• “You ever try to put your cat in an outfit and they just look stupid? That’s how Mark looks in this mask the whole intro.” — Imani ([10:31])
• “I pray for you. He needed the most. He thinks he’s just running on his atheist beliefs. No, nigga, that’s me.” — Joe ([35:34])
• “That’s why it’s called Instacart, not Intellectart.” — Big Freeze ([22:36])
• “Sydney Sweeney went viral for what? Titties. Titties bring the world together.” — Joe ([175:39], [179:58])

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [00:38] – Halloween & costumes complaints
• [16:08] – Mischief Night, regional traditions
• [17:14] – Mark’s Benihana food-chase story
• [23:51] – Halloween candy paranoia
• [40:45] – Music starts: new releases & Big L album
• [41:43] – Joe “fake feature” story
• [54:29] – Offset vs. Cardi B divorce bars art-debate
• [73:40] – AI music/deepfake discussion & music industry impact
• [87:00] – Outing, LGBTQ+ hypocrisy debate
• [96:51] – No rap in the Billboard top 40 since 1995
• [110:46] – Indie vs. label music business; content creator model
• [150:03] – Pharrell, Adidas, and the Jellyfish/Squid sneaker controversy
• [130:31] – Jay-Z “Versus” debate (Drake, Kanye, etc.)
• [174:00] – Sydney Sweeney viral moment and white-girl nightlife riffing
• [199:13] – NY Mayoral and political segment

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TONE & STYLE

Conversational, brash, self-deprecating humor; fast transitions from real social/political analysis to raw, explicit entertainment and culture commentary. The crew’s dynamic is full of mutual roasting, a rotating circle of strongly-held opinions, and running jokes that blend banter with honest insights.

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SUMMARY FOR NON-LISTENERS

If you missed this episode, you missed classic JBP: a loud, irreverent, and surprisingly deep discussion bouncing from the lighter side of Halloween, Instacart fails, rapper drama, and white-girl nightlife to genuine debates about music artist rights, AI’s future, sexuality hypocrisy, New York politics, and even the end of humanity as we know it. There are quotables and rants for days—but the core is always about keeping it funny, keeping it real, and embracing both the chaos and brilliance that defines the Joe Budden Podcast.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you talk. You intro.

[Big Freeze]

How about that?

[Joe Budden]

You can talk.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Imani]

What's up, everybody? How's everybody feeling? Nobody can talk because I got masks on.

[Joe Budden]

Feeling good. Feeling good. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Even though it was yesterday, but still. So what?

[Big Freeze]

Halloween Character day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, look.

[Big Freeze]

Look for the hoes. Halloween lasts all weekend.

[Imani]

That's true. And maybe next week, potentially so.

[Big Freeze]

Happy Halloween, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. We just told y' all two weeks ago, we don't celebrate this shit best. Now look at us.

[Imani]

A bunch of doofs.

[Mona]

And y' all did not take that well. Y' all were so upset.

[Joe Budden]

Took my little fast ass right to Abracadabra the other day. Lying around the block and nobody clearly knew. Pump it up.

[Imani]

Last minute.

[Big Freeze]

Last minute, ass nigga.

[Joe Budden]

I was standing outside just in the rain. Old ass security guard looking at me, just blowing cigarette smoke in my face.

[Mona]

It was a real line, huh? It was a line outside.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was a line five blocks around the corner.

[Imani]

Oh, yeah, yeah, you can't wait til last minute.

[Joe Budden]

But then something happened in the store and they needed him to go inside.

[Imani]

Stuck right in.

[Joe Budden]

It's lit. Got right up in there.

[Big Freeze]

So he needed y' all to go inside there.

[Joe Budden]

Got right up in there. Did my thing. Did my thing up in Abracadabra. Shout out to everybody listening for Halloween. Everybody outside right now. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. It's popping. Listen, I can't talk, so I'm gonna get right to it. Y' all got me in this mask. Y' all get the intro and y' all get a thumbnail. And I'm taking this shit off. I got a migraine.

[Imani]

Yeah, your eyes look all crazy.

[Joe Budden]

God damn it.

[Big Freeze]

Mark ain't move.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't breathe in this joint.

[Joe Budden]

Look at Mark Myers. Look at Mark Myers over there. Oh, freeze. What's that?

[Big Freeze]

Who you is a black ninja?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you was. I thought you was being is when he was in his 30s.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, karate phase.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Oh, Shane made red belt. It should be here shortly. Hopefully. I'm sure he probably won't dress up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it should be at some point.

[Big Freeze]

I think you gotta costume.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He gotta do this shit. He gotta do this shit.

[Joe Budden]

No But I. Oh, yeah.

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Joe Budden]

I did enough Halloweens here to know how people do. I went in there and bought masks for all. I wasn't playing with them this year. No, sir Rich. Shit. So we got masks in the name of Ice, baby.

[Mona]

But Ice came here.

[Imani]

We left them hanging last year.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, y' all left me on the limb last year.

[Joe Budden]

I got you this year.

[Big Freeze]

And this year, I was like, you know what? I'm not even taking the change of clothes. I said, yo, I'm the only one. I'm the only one.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. I packed the shit.

[Mona]

Ice, I wish you would have texted me, bro. Cause I would have dressed that with you, bro.

[Big Freeze]

This gang, you know, I text you, you don't text back.

[Mona]

I'm working on her.

[Imani]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She's the worst texter ever on the whole team.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, she don't text back at all.

[Big Freeze]

And she'll read it. And she got her red receipts on.

[Mona]

Oh, my God, Corey, not you, too. Joe is only saying I don't text back because I literally text him four days ago, and he still has a text back.

[Joe Budden]

Mona, I don't think you texting the right number, baby.

[Mona]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Cause I be texting you like, and, like, to check on, like, your mental health, and you just leave that shit like.

[Big Freeze]

She don't give a fuck, bro.

[Joe Budden]

She don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She got seven phone numbers.

[Mona]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, then there's that. And I was checking on you. Cause they tried to. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, if you're against guns, consider this. Gun violence kills 30,000 people each year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Joe Budden]

So they should take away our guns, right? Car crashes kill 55,000. Should they take away our Asians? Oh, shit.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, that's a good one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry if you can't hear me.

[Imani]

Nah, it's all good.

[Joe Budden]

I can't hear. Oh, sh. Yo, what in the hell? That's is y.

[Big Freeze]

That better not be ish.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this my man from jail, too, but he knows, too. Damn, you got dubbed the jail call. God damn it. I'll call you back. Yes, sir. Shout out to all the parents out there. All the goods out there.

[Mona]

It's close to midnight. Something evil's lurking in the dark.

[Joe Budden]

Mark can't even move with the mask on. Mark Myers. Oh, my God.

[Mona]

This video used to scare the shit out of me.

[Joe Budden]

Where you at?

[Mona]

This video was scary as shit as a kid.

[Joe Budden]

Nah.

[Big Freeze]

That wasn't scary, Mona.

[Joe Budden]

When you were little, you was on a wet block. Yeah, word.

[Mona]

It should have looked familiar.

[Joe Budden]

It Was a little close to home has just begun. Yes, I am. Five more minutes to the same ass, cuz I'm out of here. Wherever you might be listening for out there.

[Big Freeze]

One of the nights.

[Joe Budden]

Big Jersey. Big Jersey night.

[Big Freeze]

You feel like getting down?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir.

[Mona]

Doggy.

[Imani]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

All right. We have a good time today, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to everybody outside right now.

[Joe Budden]

Straight. All right for the ladies. All right for the ladies. Out of time. Oh, my God. Keep this applause going for the best girl in the world.

[Big Freeze]

What's that?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Okay, what episode is this?

[Imani]

A74.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 874 of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Pride. Fix. Pride Fix Gang, Yo. Army on. Humble, gracious, grateful. Really happy to be here. Host Joe Button Hill. Some really amazing people to my right. Listen, y' all got about two actually.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's all right.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Enough. You did it. You did it.

[Imani]

You did it. Mark is sitting there. You ever, like, try to put your cat or dog in an outfit or something when they just sit there looking stupid?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Imani]

That's exactly how you flick this entire intro.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You're just sitting there like, oh, what a whole new world. Like, you don't punch from under that. Damn, man.

[Mona]

Taking them off. We can take them off.

[Joe Budden]

You can take that off. You can take that off. I just lifted mine up. Whoa. The things we do in the name of content.

[Imani]

I tell you.

[Joe Budden]

But last year, we left Freeze out to dry.

[Big Freeze]

I appreciate y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't gonna do that. This year, I'm here with you.

[Imani]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

I told them to bust the glass in abracadabra when they know who Joe Button was. So they was looking at me like I was in there trying to steal. Because in the daytime, I walk out looking like that. I walk out looking homeless. It's a trick. It's a trick.

[Imani]

Does it work?

[Mona]

It was comfortable, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Does the trick work just how I look?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, it worked. They ignored me like they would the homeless. Oh, shit. Good. Yeah. No, but I had a good time in there. Good to see everybody. Good to be here today.

[Imani]

Likewise.

[Joe Budden]

To my right. You know the fucking vibes, yo. Racking up the tardies, I tell ya. Racking up the tardies, I tell ya. Make some noise. Don't call white girl big moan in the building. Oh, wait, and let me put some respect on that. It's the pot of the month. Part of the month.

[Imani]

Part of the month.

[Mona]

If you don't know, if you didn't know. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

[Joe Budden]

First month on the gig. I don't even know if it's been a full month. And you take Potter of the month. How do you feel?

[Mona]

It's exciting.

[Joe Budden]

You have a speech for the people that voted for you out there.

[Mona]

First of all, to all my supporters that came over here with me, I appreciate y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. Me, too.

[Mona]

That's only funny because it's true. To the people that had no idea who I was and enjoy me. I'm so glad that you like me. I do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Happy to have you.

[Mona]

Yeah. And, yeah, I just appreciate it, like, you know, it's exciting, so.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you don't do well with vulnerable now.

[Mona]

I could talk shit in the break room a little more. Thank you.

[Imani]

The break room's just right there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I. I have you winning next month, too. No, Mark says differently, but what does he know?

[Mona]

Honestly, when I was seeing it, I thought that that was just something that, like, the communities do. I didn't know it was, like, a thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, the community votes, but we take it very seriously because we love the community.

[Mona]

Okay. I didn't know that that's what it is. So. Yeah, that's exciting.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Next to Mona, are used to be part of the month many, many months ago. He was really impactful back then. I don't know what's been going on.

[Imani]

Honeymoon phase.

[Joe Budden]

He let Imani take two from him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love how he took one from me.

[Joe Budden]

He let Imani take two from him. Yeah, we chilling already. You was, like, celebrating.

[Big Freeze]

You got new shirts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Five in a row, man. I ain't need no shirts in a while, but it's okay.

[Joe Budden]

Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, is in the building. How you feeling, Mark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel good, man. I feel good.

[Joe Budden]

I feel good. Good. Glad to have you here. Of course, next to him, you already know the vibes. Your favorite Potter's favorite potter, Mr. Take it further. Big freeze is in the building.

[Big Freeze]

What up? What's going on?

[Joe Budden]

How y' all feeling? Real good, Real good. How you doing, man?

[Big Freeze]

I'm great. I'm great.

[Joe Budden]

Good. Glad to be here.

[Big Freeze]

Ready to get the potty.

[Joe Budden]

Now you are prepared for if you see somebody while you in this outfit for them to try. For them to try you out.

[Mona]

I was just thinking that you got.

[Joe Budden]

To be prepped for that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm.

[Imani]

But he's got the shisty on, too, so it kind of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Imani]

Could be a little goat stop, man.

[Big Freeze]

Cause I did core today, and I can't laugh because my stomach hurt like a. Yeah.

[Mona]

You did that core. Nobody running out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they gonna test that core out. Don't worry about it. They gonna see how much core you did. Good to have our good brother freeze with us. Last, but certainly not least, not even last. We got some type. You took the horns off.

[Imani]

I did.

[Big Freeze]

The horns give me a headache. And see the horns?

[Mona]

Are they tight?

[Imani]

They are. They are. So I'm like the beast or Prince Charming or my Yakubian self, you know?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, like, I like it. I like.

[Joe Budden]

Like a gay pirate devil. Hey, a gay pirate devil searching for your booty. But you're looking good. I'm glad all of us were feeling festive today. Everybody looks amazing. We got Big Poe in the building. Po, you don't do the Halloween shit. Why y' all think? Cause y' all ain't on camera. Y' all ain't like, the rules don't apply to. Y'. All.

[Imani]

Should have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good answer.

[Joe Budden]

Thanks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Should have.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's when account people taking accountability don't feel good when they do it too fast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Like. No, let's soak in it for a second. We got big core in the building.

[Imani]

Erickson's here.

[Joe Budden]

Erickson is here. Big Juice is here. Savon and Tanner are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys is here. Ish is on the way here.

[Imani]

I think probably he probably stopped by the Abracadabra or Spirit Halloween, probably. So most likely, I anticipate him being dressed to the nines.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I can't wait to see it. Shout out to Flip. Our good brother here with us in spirit.

[Big Freeze]

What's poppin?

[Joe Budden]

What's poppin? What's poppin?

[Big Freeze]

How we doing, man?

[Imani]

Feeling great, man.

[Joe Budden]

Happy Halloween.

[Imani]

Happy Character Day.

[Mona]

Yeah, Character Day is better.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Character.

[Imani]

Happy.

[Big Freeze]

Character.

[Mona]

Politically correct.

[Joe Budden]

I want to encourage everyone out there to be careful.

[Imani]

Safe.

[Joe Budden]

Sure, Safe. Safety first.

[Mona]

You know what's funny? Do kids still do Mischief Night? Remember that?

[Imani]

That's a Jersey question.

[Joe Budden]

Adults are doing it.

[Mona]

Why you say that's a Jersey question?

[Imani]

It's a Jersey thing.

[Mona]

Oh. New York City was Mischief Night.

[Imani]

I think that's a Jersey. And then Michigan's got devil's name.

[Mona]

Philly definitely did mischief.

[Imani]

Oh, do they really? Oh, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Philly. That's all we used to do. We did that more than Halloween.

[Mona]

Every night we celebrated that, but not Halloween.

[Imani]

I mean, we toilet papered and egged and all that. We did Mischief Night. We just didn't call it. It was just Halloween.

[Mona]

Was it always the night before Cuz that's what the admission Mike was the night before.

[Big Freeze]

It's the night before.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe.

[Imani]

Maybe they did it in New York, upstate.

[Joe Budden]

They did not.

[Imani]

We just toilet paper, smoked weed and got drunk. And so if you're being mischievous, be like reasonably mischievous or devilish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't break nobody's.

[Imani]

Yeah, don't break nobody's been cancelled for 10 years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope nobody come around my door with that Mischief Nation.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't called mischief like Mischief Night anymore. It's just life, right? Life is just dangerous and risky every day. So please try to make it home to your families. And eggs are expensive.

[Mona]

That's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Making it home.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think people throwing eggs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, they throwing shit and they stealing shit. I told you last year, two years ago, they stole my Benihana.

[Imani]

Huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I chased these kids. Yeah, they stole the leftovers, huh? You had Uber Eats at. Uber Eats at the door. It was $200 worth of Benihana.

[Mona]

Oh, it was dinner.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when that happens. Cause you be mad hungry.

[Big Freeze]

I ordered.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like the last thing before they closed, so nothing else was open. And I was in Maplewood at my mother in law's house.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Left $200 worth of fucking Benihana and I heard a car speed off. So you know what I did?

[Joe Budden]

Chased him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Nah, Mark.

[Mona]

You sure?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Mark.

[Big Freeze]

So what happened?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I chased him down one block, chased him down three blocks and I ain't know Maplewood. Then I made a left and suddenly it didn't look like Maplewood no more. Apparently I was in Ivy Hill. Then I went to the back of some house and it didn't look like the projects. And this N was like, who you looking for? And I was like, nobody.

[Imani]

You could have that little volcano.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Volcano onion. You like some soy sauce? You got some chopstick? I got the fuck up out of it once I saw where I was like, it ain't worth it, but I was definitely chasing him for a while.

[Mona]

You said, marcus crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't nobody from Maplewood stealing my fucking Beni Honda.

[Imani]

I was gonna say, didn't you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you?

[Imani]

My wife last weekend ordered Uber eats at like 4 in the morning. And when I went out to get the mail in the morning, it was just sitting there. So I was gonna say, did you just not go out and get it and fall asleep?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I was ordering Halloween candy next. I didn't even fall asleep. It was like maybe 10 minutes. It was out there for like 10 minutes and it was going with it.

[Imani]

I'm sorry that happened.

[Joe Budden]

To you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was very upset.

[Imani]

And I'm glad you were safe.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I'm glad you said that.

[Joe Budden]

Food.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish I caught him before they got their little housing project.

[Joe Budden]

Even after 11 is dangerous.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

It can be.

[Mona]

I'm just so curious. And I'm also envisioning you attempting to put a nigga in a full nelson and try to get the Benihana out there. Once you got there was like, nickel.

[Joe Budden]

Give it up. He's got rage.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's got rage. I don't have rage. But it's the principle. Sometime it's the principle.

[Imani]

We've seen the rage on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That wasn't rage. That's angry.

[Mona]

Pop a nigga over some fucking shrimp fried rice too. Fuck it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife gets mad at me. I chase this. Anyway, we talk about another time, but. Yeah, but people steal my. I don't like when people steal my shit.

[Mona]

I don't think none of us like it.

[Joe Budden]

You ever was ordering something and you catching the restaurant at the very last minute. And then right as you about to press in, here go your girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Can I see the menu? I'm hungry. I'm hungry. Seven seconds and that's right. Going to take 90 years. The restaurant closed and now y' all both starving.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now you eat McDonald's.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Story of my life. I don't even tell her no more.

[Joe Budden]

I just order some for her, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Yeah, I just order smart.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, smart.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the only way you going to.

[Joe Budden]

Get some tricky, cuz. They. She normally orders better than me, but.

[Big Freeze]

Either way, it don't matter what you order with me because when my food get there, she wants my food.

[Imani]

That's true, too.

[Mona]

Your food tastes better.

[Big Freeze]

What the does that mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My blood pressure went up just hearing you say that.

[Mona]

I swear to God. Your food does taste, man.

[Imani]

And our sweaters, sweatshirts, it don't matter.

[Mona]

We order the same thing. We can order the same pasta dish. Y' alls have more crab in it. It's always like that. I have to taste yours and make sure you're okay. How am I going to know if it's poisoned or not if I don't taste?

[Big Freeze]

When I start doing this at the table, it's poison.

[Mona]

It's crazy because all that they say about women, not one, you know, not knowing what they want to eat at and confused. Being crazy when they hungry. It's all true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Mona]

It's all true. Psychotic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good to hear that when it come to food.

[Imani]

Yeah, it's good to Hear that?

[Mona]

Yeah, but if you know that, why you can't just pick the restaurant?

[Big Freeze]

Because when we pick the restaurant, it's. I don't want that.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Big Freeze]

That's why.

[Mona]

I mean, pick five.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad you owned that.

[Mona]

I mean, it's true, but it's also.

[Joe Budden]

Own everything the girls say about Dude, Instacart Deliverers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, oh, them motherfuckers be.

[Joe Budden]

They're right. Hold on. Y' all are right.

[Mona]

This shit gonna turn going somewhere else.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mona]

Cause that's sensitive. That shit ain't funny.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Nah, it's true.

[Mona]

When we get male instacart drivers, it's instant rage, instant frustration. I promise y'. All. It's a video on my phone right now with me going to the supermarket, looking alpha owl, finding my instacart guy and taking my. From him. I promise you, I had the video and I posted it, but I posted it too fast, and my. The address was on it, so I had to take it down. But I promise you, it's funny as. And he just in the aisle, lost his. In the silverware. Plastic, aluminum foil, looking for asparagus. I'm like, dog, what the are you down here for? It's no paper towels on the list. And I'm like, I'm Damona. It's me. It was like, hi.

[Imani]

You're doing a bad job, sir.

[Mona]

Horrible, bro. He was there for two fucking hours. I had ten things. Y' all suck at the supermarket.

[Joe Budden]

We do.

[Mona]

Why? You know, it's big signs in the sky that tells you where the stuff is, man.

[Big Freeze]

That should take too long. Like. All right, look. This look like it. It's close enough here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, they replacements be ridiculous. Look at this replacement I ordered. I always keep them off. I ordered gummy bears, and they were out of them. Look, look what he replaced it with.

[Mona]

A macchiato.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mona]

That's really Albanese.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not even joking. I ordered fucking Albanese gummy bears, and he replaced it with a Starbucks macchiato.

[Mona]

I promise you, that's how it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They were the same price. When I asked him why he did, he said, well, they both $3.79, and they both got sugar in it.

[Imani]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Sugar made executive decisions.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But if I had seen him in person, he would have raged a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wanted to. Who beat the dog up that is.

[Big Freeze]

Was the same price?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said they both 379 in sugar.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Like, what's your problem, Crazy?

[Big Freeze]

You still get your sugar?

[Mona]

I lo them.

[Imani]

I keep it simple. I just get waters and heavy that I don't want to carry, so.

[Mona]

And I'm sure women instigart ladies make mistakes, but it's not to the volume of that.

[Imani]

My last instart guy had his wife with him. So smart they nailed that N. See.

[Joe Budden]

I don't play that smart. Don't pull up as a couple. Don't pull up as a couple.

[Mona]

They like to pull up as a couple.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe was an instacart driver, you know he'd be coupled up.

[Joe Budden]

No, I wouldn't. Hopefully she should be getting her own bag. We both can't be in here getting the instacart bag. Go living Uber or something. I don't like when they pull up as a couple. Even though I understand it, you know, broke unity, but I do.

[Big Freeze]

I get it.

[Imani]

Holy.

[Joe Budden]

Pain. But I don't like that shit.

[Mona]

His only buddy gets his. I used to deliver pizzas with a nigga before there was some broke ass Judy. I used to be like, go up there, say hello. That's why you got $3 last time start saying hello. Good night.

[Big Freeze]

She was coaching them fucking right.

[Mona]

This motherfucker had no social skills. Hit knock on the door, hand a pizza, while I'd be like, tell that motherfucker have a good day's with a nigga. I'm not playing. I gotta stop telling my business up here.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if you're listening to this broadcast as an adult and your child is still sleeping, go check on that little. I mean, maybe we didn't search the candy as great as we thought. Hey, maybe they did sneak that fentanyl in the Snickers.

[Mona]

I promise y' all the comments and like feedback. When we did talk about that before, it was like, where are y' all from? That doesn't happen. I'm like, it's on the news to check the candy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's one of them urban.

[Mona]

It probably is an urban legend. Honestly. It probably is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is.

[Mona]

I'm curious, does it ever happen where somebody was poisoned from Halloween kids?

[Imani]

That's a good question.

[Mona]

It had to happen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It don't never. Remember when you.

[Mona]

This is America.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody tell that story. I ain't never met nobody that got razor blade in their candy. I never met nobody who had no drugs. And they snickers.

[Mona]

Me neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You remember you used to hear at the gas station they put needles on the. On the handle on the pumpkin. Oh, yeah, it's all bullshit. Yeah, it's just a scary. You flash the light, somebody gonna kill you.

[Mona]

You know what probably has happened? Some dummy Gave a kid an edible or a shroom by mistake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure that that's my fear right now.

[Joe Budden]

Cause I have been around for. I'm letting you get the shit off. But I've putting in the candy.

[Mona]

Okay, See?

[Joe Budden]

And it popping up on the news for multiple years.

[Mona]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

I like, I just don't have that much trust in the community.

[Imani]

I don't have that much trust in the news.

[Joe Budden]

We just fear mongering.

[Imani]

Yeah, that part.

[Joe Budden]

That too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I know my neighbors. It ain't like back in the day where your mama used to rely on your next door neighbor to beat you if you was doing something bad. This ain't them days no more. The neighbor now is racist and got a bullet. Shotgun hole in the door. For when you act up in a Trump sign. Go ahead and play. And they raising racist kids. You want to give them a Twizzler? Nope. I wish I would give one of you racist little white bastards a Twizzler.

[Imani]

I think worse than the razor blades is when you used to get like Bible verses or pencils or something like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the real problem.

[Mona]

Raisins.

[Imani]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the box of raisins.

[Big Freeze]

Still. That still happens.

[Imani]

I got like a popcorn ball one time. Like, what the do with this?

[Mona]

That's the weirdo that thinks I'm gonna give him something that's better than candy just for the kids. I've done fruit before.

[Big Freeze]

What you gave.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, what the.

[Imani]

What kind of fruit?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was that person.

[Joe Budden]

You a fruit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What kind of fruit? Understand? Grapes. I didn't start with the fruit. In fact, it was the day that they stole my Benihana. I was a little bitter revenge. But also they took it out on the kids. They took some of the. I had bags of candy and at some point I ran out of candy. And so if 30 kids is there and you got 20 pieces of candy, you can either close the door on the last 10 or give him a grape. I ain't give him a grape. I gave him a Mandarin.

[Mona]

That's a good. Kids love clementines.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not on Halloween, though. You know how I know?

[Mona]

Cause they threw all in my window.

[Big Freeze]

Look for your ass. What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had like 6 clementines marks on my window. Fuck them kids. Oh, shit.

[Mona]

I learned something new about mark every pot.

[Joe Budden]

The tough part sometimes is just answering the door. Like one year I was feeling like, all right, you know what? I'm into this, man. You know the kids door by rim, Ding dong. Go get that nigga. By the time you make it right back up three flights of steps to your bed. Ding dong. It's like, oh, they did that for four hours straight. And then one year, I bought some candy for these little. And I put it out there and I was opening the door. But when they was taking the candy, they would be excited while I had the door open. So now you gotta stand there and fake smile, of course, like you happy that they happen. Supposed to be. Yeah, exactly. Yo, that is so trash, yo. That is trash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Leave a big ass bowl and say take one.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. I don't even know, man. I don't even leave a note. I put a big ass. The big bowl filled with candy. Do what y' all gonna do.

[Imani]

I haven't participated in this level of, like, in our.

[Big Freeze]

In our. In our community. Like, they don't get greedy with it because they're getting candy from everywhere.

[Imani]

Rem did it one year. She was just out there with white.

[Joe Budden]

Claws and shit, yo.

[Imani]

Not hating out the white clothes, but she was sitting like a white claw.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, they do that shit, though. Like, they'll have. If you walking around with your kids. Yeah, they're like, for the adults. Yo, you want a beer? You want this?

[Imani]

That's like.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, that's like getting out glasses of wine. Like, all right, cool. We getting lit. Walking around.

[Mona]

I love that. That's a good neighborhood.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, fire do that.

[Joe Budden]

That's how I know that we shouldn't be trick or treating now. Because they only going with their parents. Like, I ain't no kids. Was just traveling in kid crews, like back in the day. They only going with parents now. Cause they know that one of these little weirdo houses will kidnap you like you was the local pit bull and never give you back.

[Mona]

Yo, remember when the bigger kids would fuck you up and take your bag? Cause we would just be outside. Wouldn't be no adults, really. The ducks came out the candy. The kids was traveling in packs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the bigger you should have at risk Halloween.

[Mona]

Oh, my gosh. The bigger kids was saving.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember you get stabbe when you.

[Joe Budden]

Every week we learn something about Mona.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Mona]

I just remember being really excited, cuz whatever I was doing it, I was doing it on my own. So just, you know, I get it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's dope.

[Joe Budden]

I can't wait to hear y' all next month. Stories about how y' all catch the turkey at the drive.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y. What type of party we having? The honest one.

[Mona]

Or not.

[Big Freeze]

Let's it, let's go.

[Mona]

Thanksgiving's canceled.

[Joe Budden]

One of my business people. The other Day suggested I do a turkey drive. But last time I did a turkey drive, it was 25 years ago. Okay? It was in the projects, and I was on the back of a pickup truck throwing turkeys at niggas with bodies. I'm like, now, you should have a turkey. You killed a few. But all right, fine. But apparently they say it don't go like that now.

[Big Freeze]

No, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We should do a JVP turkey.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely. That's what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

Two years ago, to do a drive.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not going out there.

[Imani]

No, you gotta pop.

[Mona]

But if we do a drive, where.

[Joe Budden]

On the zoom.

[Mona]

Would it be a Jersey?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Mona]

What about North Philly?

[Imani]

That's false.

[Joe Budden]

That's Jersey.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, we got. We doing something in Philly.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all got bigger. Y' all got bigger fish to fry.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. Clean that wet block first.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I would do a turkey drive. If it's the new turkey drive.

[Mona]

What is the new turkey drive, Joe?

[Imani]

Yeah. What do they do now?

[Mona]

Still pickup trucks throwing turkeys. That's what.

[Big Freeze]

Nah, that's not how you do it no more.

[Mona]

Oh, how is it now?

[Big Freeze]

Now you have it at a spot, they come in, they get they turkey, and you do do canned goods, all that type of shit, and they leave.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And you don't have to be there now.

[Big Freeze]

No, you still gotta be there, bro.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what my people said. Well, and it was another point too.

[Mona]

You don't gotta be there if you paying for everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, let's do a homeless drive. Let's do it like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, never that in our homes. Sorry, we don't pay that much. Housing Mother Mark. I'm not the philanthropist that you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen, listen, it's easy. I used to do it in Philly all the time. This is what you do. You just. On Thanksgiving day from like 9am to like, noon. Before we all get going to our days, we have hot food for them. Oh, good turkey, some macaroni, green, all this shit.

[Big Freeze]

You can't do that in Jersey no more.

[Mona]

It's illegal.

[Big Freeze]

It's illegal to give out hot food.

[Imani]

Because they put fentanyl in the Mac and cheese.

[Mona]

No, they always fuck with the people giving stuff out. That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what we always did. Then people came. Homeless people came. They ate, they left. Give them a bag to go, some blankets, some socks.

[Big Freeze]

What we used to do. Me and my mom used to do this. On Christmas morning, we will go down to Penn Station.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Big Freeze]

Prepare, like, let's say 50, 50 bags. Just pull up and just hand the back. But the bag. Blanket, socks, toiletries, that type of shit.

[Mona]

Bless you and your mother.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not hot. It's not hot.

[Big Freeze]

You can't give no food.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Big Freeze]

Unless it's packaged, you can't give out food.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, well, packaged food, I'm like, I don't like Penn Station, that shit. Penn Station scared the shit out of me.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, homeless people scared me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the part of Penn Station. Ain't the Starbucks that scare me. Sit, nigga. Defecating.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, are there still homeless people? By pentasation?

[Imani]

Sure. Both of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Both of them.

[Joe Budden]

Homeless people move around, freeze. They don't stay in the same spot.

[Imani]

Yeah, but sometimes they do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Penn Station, if they ain't left.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, they down there. That overpowers a little bit of shelter. I'm talking about North Penn Station.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know Penn State. I take the 5am train to D.C. a lot for. And it'd be crazy.

[Joe Budden]

It's going to block up.

[Big Freeze]

But Route 21, it's like a big grass area over there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I know. My wife used to live around the corner.

[Big Freeze]

They'd be out there with tents and shit in the grass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. I don't like that place.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, we praying for anybody that is homeless that is in need, especially during the holidays. We praying for you if your mental health is not right. We praying for you if you've been affected or have family that's been affected by Hurricane Melissa. We're praying for you. Word for sure. Question for y', all, when black people say, I'm praying for you, is that the prayer?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

99% of the time, I wouldn't say black people.

[Mona]

Limited to black people. I think that's people, period. People just got used to saying, I'm praying for you. And they don't take the time to pray.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you ever actually go home and pray for people?

[Mona]

Gotta go home.

[Big Freeze]

We say thoughts and prayers up here and that be it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was it. That was the thought and the prayer.

[Big Freeze]

Thought and the prayer together. One word.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Imani]

But if you hold your hands like this while you say it, I for sure.

[Mona]

First of all, I rarely say, oh, I'm praying for you. But if, like, I will pray for people. I pray. I pray for people.

[Joe Budden]

How long is your prayers? When y' all go to bed, do y' all say prayers?

[Big Freeze]

No, I do not every day, but I pray. When? No, no, no. I don't say prayers before going to bed. I have certain times when I pray. Like when the Cop pull up.

[Joe Budden]

Not right now. God.

[Big Freeze]

Stuff like that.

[Joe Budden]

But. Oh, when you don't have your white face on.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I don't have. Can't code switch that one.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so you don't pray before bed. Mark. Don't pray for before bed. Mona. No, you don't. Yeah, you don't. She tried to fake like. I don't know.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't get five times a day.

[Mona]

Here, look.

[Joe Budden]

These.

[Mona]

Islam is perfect. Muslims are people. I'm supposed to pray five times a day. Last prayer is called isha, and I've.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Skipped it for a little bit.

[Mona]

I just. Mind your business.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't skip.

[Mona]

I shouldn't. I shouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

Parks, you pray for, man?

[Imani]

Not every day, but sometimes, yeah.

[Mona]

The prayer for bed, I don't even get it. It's like, please, God, lay me down to sleep. Like the movies.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God I woke up. Thank God I made it to bed. Thank God, in case I don't wake up again, here are the people that. I mean. Oh, y' all are. This is.

[Mona]

I talked to God all.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa. Okay. Never mind. All right.

[Mona]

Do you pray before bed?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Mona]

Do you pray before bed?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Every day?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. You get on your knees on the.

[Big Freeze]

Side of the bed?

[Joe Budden]

For the most part.

[Big Freeze]

For the most part.

[Joe Budden]

Do you get on your knees on.

[Mona]

The side of the bed?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, you do?

[Big Freeze]

Yes, you do.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mona]

For prayer, though.

[Imani]

How does it work? How do you know if it's getting through?

[Joe Budden]

I hate it. Yes. I pray for the most part before. And I'm in bed.

[Mona]

I love that.

[Joe Budden]

And you just do this. No ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to picture you.

[Mona]

You were raised to pray, but forbid, I'm assuming.

[Joe Budden]

No, I. I believe in him.

[Mona]

I just. It seemed like if. That's. Like.

[Joe Budden]

If you.

[Imani]

But if you're not doing any type of ritual with it, you're just, like, thinking good thoughts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Mona]

You're talking to guys.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all are sick. I'm no longer discussing this with y'. All. And I damn sure don't talk to Corey about nothing. Just know I pray for him, too.

[Big Freeze]

He needed the most.

[Joe Budden]

That's why he alive. Still. He think. He think he's just running on his atheist beliefs. No, nigga.

[Big Freeze]

Covered in the blood.

[Joe Budden]

That's me. Yo, check for him, too. Nice. My man.

[Big Freeze]

Hold him down.

[Joe Budden]

Hold him down.

[Big Freeze]

He don't know. He don't.

[Joe Budden]

I love him.

[Imani]

He don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Guide him, please. Give him direction and a heart. Give him some feelings, girlfriend. Give him a warm vagina before he fucking passes on, please. Something. Yeah. I pray for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I pray it's working.

[Joe Budden]

I pray for people.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just working.

[Mona]

He warming up.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, now he warming up. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, for sure.

[Imani]

He got a new phone, man. That didn't come just by itself.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I be showering on pod days.

[Imani]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the best thing to do. My wife told me that shit too. She'd be like, you know, it's a pod day, but you shower, you work.

[Imani]

I text you to remind you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Am I like Joe was?

[Joe Budden]

I got you see?

[Big Freeze]

I remind you. Want to hit that?

[Imani]

That was like a commercial your went from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I thought you had no socks.

[Mona]

Oh, Joe don't like socks.

[Big Freeze]

Today.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn.

[Imani]

Yeah. It's a holiday, man.

[Mona]

He don't give a. What's going on?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a holiday.

[Imani]

Something.

[Joe Budden]

It's enough.

[Imani]

It's a something day.

[Joe Budden]

You don't give a. Hey. All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was better. I meant to shout out the blue note the other day. What's his name? Put on an amazing show.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Robert Glassman.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Robert Glassman. They called it robtober. And he had all these different artists. And last Friday, what's his name came through. Bilal came through.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I like Bilal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bodied it. It was an amazing performance. He killed it. The artist. The place was packed. And then common slid through with Jennifer Hudson.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they both took the stage and performed. Oh, and. And put on and so did thundercat.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it just turned out to be, like, one of the amazing performances. Shout out to Robert Glasper and everybody at the blue note, man. We gotta all do it out into one of them spots, man.

[Imani]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Invite us.

[Imani]

Yeah, word. Or that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't own the blue note, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, you on the phone, yo. Go in here.

[Big Freeze]

Would y' all like to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that.

[Imani]

That's kind of you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I saw the pics of you backstage. You mean? I was like, okay, okay. Mark little Common, Like, I like all these guys.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't go outside, though.

[Joe Budden]

I go to the blue note for musicians.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Oh, now, I know that I don't know your rules. I assume you don't go out unless you have to, and then you leave about 60% through a show.

[Joe Budden]

No, I go out for live music. Depending on what's going on and Robert.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Glasper, I'll say less.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, definitely. All right. Where do you find people want to start today? Anywhere in the world, y'. All want to start? I'm down. Let's. Let's fucking go.

[Imani]

Let's fucking do it.

[Mona]

Did y'. All. As I had this on. This is it, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's.

[Big Freeze]

That's Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

[Mona]

Okay, go ahead. I had an it conversation.

[Big Freeze]

What is it, though?

[Mona]

I watched because I rarely watch television. I watched that something called Dreary City. I guess it's like the start of the show where it started from.

[Imani]

Yeah, I cut it off.

[Mona]

Huh?

[Imani]

I cut that off. That shit was ass.

[Mona]

Oh, it's up. Sucked to you?

[Imani]

To me.

[Mona]

But yeah, I was just totally confused by it. I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to know.

[Mona]

Did y' all watch it? Have y' all watched it?

[Imani]

It was bad acting, bad writing, everything. I had to cut that off. But if you enjoy it, by all means.

[Mona]

It was just gory. I can't say I enjoyed it. It just freaked me the out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona]

It's only one episode, though, as it came out, right?

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mona]

It couldn't suck that bad because it definitely made me curious about episode two because I couldn't figure out, like, how it had anything to do with the. Were doing. Especially with the. Like, with the car seated on that opening scene.

[Imani]

Was.

[Mona]

It was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That was crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Y.

[Mona]

None of y' all saw it?

[Big Freeze]

No. I didn't even heard of, like, watch it or dope. Yeah, maybe not. I like, like, you know, make me laugh, you know.

[Mona]

Oh, no. Yeah, it's scary. Spooky. Technically. The origin of it, where he comes from, that's the whole thing.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. That sound like an ad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At the.

[Joe Budden]

Top of the pod.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm letting her cook, right? They slid it in real slow. A new show, guys.

[Joe Budden]

I left more Runway today because I know you like to talk. We're giving it to you today. No, seriously. Seriously, I want to hear you. God damn it, but shut the fuck up. On the front. On the front, though.

[Big Freeze]

Let's.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean? Do y' all want to do music or do you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y' all want to do. Yes. Cause I'm fucking mad at you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this is hilarious.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wake up about 5am that's when I. You know, I can listen to music, especially new music, before the family wakes up. And I've been waiting for the big.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all make married life sound so great.

[Big Freeze]

I gotta check my new video.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel you.

[Joe Budden]

I feel you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Cause, you know, and it's big. I'm listening to Big L. I can't listen to big L at 5am with nobody else up.

[Joe Budden]

And while your partner. Like. It feels weird explaining that, yo, I'm listening to new music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Like, that feels like a weird thing to have to. I'm allotting time to listen to new music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Big Freeze]

Doing something by myself.

[Joe Budden]

I'm doing something without you, Yo. I'm doing something that I ain't enjoy more than you.

[Imani]

We got a nice rhythm in my house.

[Big Freeze]

And that's the problem.

[Imani]

She goes to read her books. I go in the basement and watch football or listen to music. Or both.

[Joe Budden]

Man. Yeah, yeah.

[Imani]

Get a man cave, man. It's important, man. And find a hobby for them or encourage them to have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So mine is just.

[Imani]

She found her hobby on her own.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's.

[Joe Budden]

That's very smart.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right now I just let her sleep. 5am I go downstairs. My son sleeps. So he decides to wake up and terrorize. I went into the basement, pulled up the Big L album. I'm excited. Cause I've been waiting for the Big L album. Obviously, he's a legend. I love him. And I see the track list. I see hov, I see Nas, which we already heard, of course. You know what I'm saying?

[Imani]

Method Man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Method man, whose verse was crazy on NBA. Joey Badass. But I don't listen to none of them first. Cause my man is listed. It says Joe Button and Big L got a song together.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I skipped past hov, I skipped past Nas. I skipped past Joey.

[Joe Budden]

You did the right thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Went straight to Joe Budden. And it's this nigga doing what he do. And I hear this nigga talk every Tuesday and Friday. I don't need to fucking put on a track for that shit. You was just pontificating. Not one bar, not one verse. Shit ain't rhyme. What the fuck?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Shout out to the Big L project. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I did the same thing on Connie Diamond's album. I did the same thing on a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Few of these albums, man. They was advertising it as. As features. And you were listed as one of the features.

[Joe Budden]

You thought that I would have a live verse out there and nobody here know?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it was possible that you had a verse from 10, 15 years ago that nobody knew. Yeah. That you were sitting on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you thought it was an old verse?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was an old verse. I knew you didn't go in a booth and rap nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, old verse.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I thought it was a classic verse. Maybe it was unreleased.

[Joe Budden]

Ah. That Big L had got his hands on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. Or that you like. Or that you just decided, you know What? I mean, I thought so.

[Joe Budden]

A few people did hit me like, yo, is this a new verse? A couple people hit me that expressed their disappointment when they found out what it was.

[Big Freeze]

But I mean, that's what I want to know. How them went. Cause I know. I know was tight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Freeze]

And the way it was promoted, like. Like, I saw blogs pushing it. Yo, Big L new album has features from Jay Z and Joe Button. I ain't see nobody else names. It's a bunch of other people listed up there.

[Joe Budden]

I think they get more sad when they hit me and they see my reaction. My reaction is like, yo, lmao, dog. Did you really believe I was gonna stop what I'm doing right now and go rap? Sorry. But I do. I do like the Big L project.

[Imani]

Me too, man. They did a really good job. It's hard to do posthumous albums at any point. And especially with Elle. There wasn't like a. He was in the tape era. There wasn't just like a million freestyles on someone's hard drive, like, or half done songs or whatever. So they did a really good job of pulling together stuff that. Some stuff is new, some stuff is kind of existed in the underground YouTube.

[Joe Budden]

World for years and glad that there's a home for that. Yeah, me too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Imani]

The whole second half of the album really is that. Yeah, it's the freestyle radio freestyles, but touched up and you know, with the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of it.

[Mona]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Well, they got AI now you can separate the vocals a little bit more than you ever could, so you can actually make it sound pretty good. And they did a really good job with it.

[Big Freeze]

One other thing I like about this project is when it was first announced, the family had went up one. I like that the family was involved.

[Imani]

Yeah, for sure.

[Big Freeze]

The family went up and was like, hey, fans, let us know what records you want to hear, because we want y' all to feel like y' all have been a part of this creative process as well.

[Joe Budden]

That's fine.

[Big Freeze]

So now we're picking the. The favorites that. Okay, y' all wanted that record. Y' all wanted that one. We'll go back, get that, clean it up, and put on a project.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but like y' all said, everybody that featured.

[Imani]

Yeah, that Mac Miller record, that Mac.

[Joe Budden]

Miller got busy on it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's another one.

[Big Freeze]

I saw a lot of people upset about that. Upset, upset, upset, upset. Cause they were just like, I guess the pairing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard people say it was a little too warm and fuzzy. Like, it wasn't like the vibe they Wanted from a Big L album. They said his verse wasn't. I liked the verse. I thought he'd kill. I just liked the verse. The track was definitely different than the rest of the album.

[Imani]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Big Freeze]

But I was good with it. I was good with it. I wasn't mad at it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was good with it. The seven minute freestyle again. Like, hov is hov and it's good. I like hearing classic verses from artists I respect to remember how HOV rap 20 years ago, 25 years ago. I like that. The sound of it again. They remastered some of the stuff. It didn't sound the way I like. I. I like the old sound. I like the old mixtape sound vibe a little bit. So some of it I didn't. I thought it was overproduced a little bit on the album, but in general, it's reasonable demoitis. Yeah, but it was great.

[Joe Budden]

All that shit made me feel like I was on a Harlem block in 96.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Running again.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Imani]

You got hurt McGruff on there and shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. It felt good. It felt good.

[Imani]

Got showbiz on there. Shout out to show Lord Finesse did a beat on there.

[Joe Budden]

I don't remember.

[Imani]

Remember what the record is, but shout out to the whole digging. I would like to hear a little bit more digging production, but I. I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Understand how it goes, so.

[Joe Budden]

And shout out to Royce. Who Executive producer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Imani]

Mike's project.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Mike. But. Yeah, no, the Big L is hard. And shout out to Joe Button on that.

[Imani]

You did a great job.

[Joe Budden]

You did a great job.

[Imani]

You really tied the album together.

[Joe Budden]

You brought it home.

[Imani]

Recipes, Big L. Shout out to Master Appeal. As always. They've been killing it.

[Big Freeze]

They have.

[Joe Budden]

Great job. I'm looking. Mass Appeal is doing such a great job. I'm looking forward to just anything. Mass Appeal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it. They doing amazing stuff. Halloween.

[Big Freeze]

The next one is the Nas and PR album, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I believe.

[Imani]

Should be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe so now that I'm really excited about.

[Imani]

Yeah, me too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's Halloween. Halloween, Havoc 6. You know it, boy Banks.

[Joe Budden]

And I feel like an idiot. I had no idea.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

When I saw this one, you was like, wait, what?

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, yeah, this would have been my. The go to. Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea that this was dropping it off.

[Imani]

Yeah. I had the Big L record for a couple weeks now. I'd have went right to. To Banks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sixteen tracks, man. Yeah. It's some fire on it.

[Big Freeze]

The Six of Swords.

[Imani]

I bought it But I ain't listened to it yet, so I'm excited to get to it.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't get to fully listen. I got three tracks in this month.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm about halfway through.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I want something from it. Somebody give me something.

[Imani]

All right, this is eat what you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Eat what you kills on my the six of swords.

[Joe Budden]

This beat sounds hard, beat sounds crazy shout the banks whole queens what up?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody's giving up we ain't praising no.

[Big Freeze]

For fittest more fitness miracles don't exist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like my tall pictures build more bridges.

[Big Freeze]

We applaud business lyricist and small pickings you drop me your reaction was all ques in store visits you broad quivers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watching you pointing at you can leave.

[Joe Budden]

Here with four fingers the culture's more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Than walking talk slickers I stand on my own these rappers connected to gangs.

[Big Freeze]

Extort I've seen it all senior citizen immature.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Complexion won't engage with a talk with us despite the temperature the blocks cold come have a walk with us.

[Big Freeze]

Live by the knife you eventually come across stitches open these words to influence.

[Mona]

You more before decision before everyone merges.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There'Ll be some more collisions Another classic.

[Joe Budden]

For me in the book. Small position.

[Imani]

Where you kill Floyd baby Banks. I can't wait to listen to this whole. I didn't even know it came out.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Lloyd Banks, man. Our guys, our guy friend of the show.

[Big Freeze]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I can't wait to get to that. And I'm mad that I didn't know that was out.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. I just want to finish the rest.

[Joe Budden]

Of it because he'll have eyes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Threes. I'm sorry. Good.

[Joe Budden]

No, go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Heels have eyes 3. Westside gun, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Imani]

Oh, yeah. Gun drop, too. Also kind of a surprise drop. Didn't know it was coming. I listened. I skimmed through on the way into work today.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Big Freeze]

Anything stand out?

[Imani]

It sounded great.

[Big Freeze]

The.

[Imani]

The stove God record was my favorite off rip. West side Gun just makes quality albums.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Over and over and over again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I say so consistency.

[Joe Budden]

So consistently.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And yeah. The pace. I was like, I feel like we just dropped something.

[Big Freeze]

Is this the gun that I like or. No.

[Imani]

Maybe less than the last one.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Imani]

But it's still. It's still good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's fire.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, it's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything I heard, I only listened to it quickly. But it was good. What I like so far.

[Imani]

I'm speaking to ice cream. His tastes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your gun taste? Pause.

[Big Freeze]

I like when he approaches. When he approaches the track. Seriously.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got you.

[Big Freeze]

That's the best way to put it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Imani]

He's rapping on there. It's just not as much like song.

[Big Freeze]

Finished song before, like when he's just AD Libby and.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's not that.

[Imani]

No, it's not that. He's rapping on there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's rapping on it.

[Imani]

And always great production. Always great production.

[Joe Budden]

We got.

[Imani]

We got Premon, Ran, the reinvention.

[Big Freeze]

Big Jersey. Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

I'm so happy for them.

[Imani]

Me too.

[Big Freeze]

I love where Rand is at just in hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

I love the people in hip hop that are just. That seem to just be comfortable with themselves. Like, Ran is chilling. Ran is eating soup and celery. He's in the gym on the island working out. He's on an island. He's running track. He's shred up, cut up, making music. Don't want to go TikTok with you niggas. Don't want to go sit in front of people that don't understand what's going on. And to hear a rapper of that caliber over production of this caliber is a treat for music lovers all over the world. I am blessed to still remember my reaction the very first time we unearthed Ransom in Jersey City in 90. Whatever that 01 2000. I don't remember the fucking year, but we were blown away. So shout out to the fans that are just now getting to experience that in 2025. Shout out to Preen. Four decades. Five decades of legend. Word of legend. I am blessed and honored to know you. I'm so honored to know some of you people.

[Imani]

Man, get that ass.

[Joe Budden]

I can't lie. I can't lie. We don't say it enough. We don't say it enough. And these are two of those brothers for me, so. And it's hard.

[Imani]

It's hard. And bring it back. Rap Radar was fired too. Happy to be a part of that for the interview.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Getting to see BDOT look all uncomfortable for a second. B Dot and Elliot look like they should talk. Yeah, but that's why I fuck with Ran. B Dot and Elliot look like they had just gotten together to talk to Ran but hadn't talked to each other. That was fire. And they both so great at journalism. I know it's not a word, so it is not. Don't matter. They are so great at journalism.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they're good.

[Joe Budden]

They're really good. Yeah. No, they're. They're great. Great job. Great job. Yeah. Give me something. Let's go. Halloween vibes. Yeah. You might get robbed tonight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Vibes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. They say time waits for no man. Even a broken clock is right two times a day so bet I replace your broke hands they ain't gotta watch still right two times a day Let me validate there's no change done in this lifetime if any man mortal struggle or write rhymes against his force I cut off his lifeline Wannabe icon who.

[Big Freeze]

Bombs on stage while I'm blowing up.

[Joe Budden]

Every step I take Cause they lookin like I pray God sends me the right sign when this darker roach gonna scatter the light shine it's deep in their anatomy come when the work's done but discipline is a bridge between dreams and reality Y' all rappers never seen no murder scene with a casualty from a wicked place where murder scene formality Nervous fiends who casually step over the body to cop drugs like they never heard the screams of agony Agony that's.

[Imani]

A cut above the reinvention's out now shout out to Preem. I hope that this pace of these, These short album EPs or whatever you want to do continues. I. I love just.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, they found a good bop on there. Yeah, Short, concise, to the point.

[Big Freeze]

Like don't you just drag And I could double back at any time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

That's why I. I noticed that the short album joints is coming right back.

[Imani]

Yep.

[Big Freeze]

I like that.

[Imani]

I love it.

[Joe Budden]

Offset, another surprise project.

[Imani]

Didn't know it came out either.

[Joe Budden]

I had no idea. Listen, maybe that's just me at 45 now. Maybe I should just stop coming in here and say, oh, I had no idea you would. Yo. Maybe I just don't know no more. But who's dropping?

[Big Freeze]

How we find out now?

[Joe Budden]

Like dog, every week I hit that new music latest. What's coming. Yo, I'm checking dates on albums that are in, so I try to know.

[Big Freeze]

I go to like some of this don't be listed, yo.

[Imani]

Yeah, like.

[Big Freeze]

Like that Offset project wasn't listed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was definitely wasn't listed.

[Big Freeze]

And that dropped at midnight. I just happened to be up by open. I said, wait, Offset snuck up. I'm thinking of EP Something three. You know something.

[Imani]

It is shorter than the last project, but. But it's still full length.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

And I was just. Oh shit, he dropped a full length project. Oh, let me run it.

[Imani]

I like it. Haunted by Fame. Yeah, it's only 25 minutes long. I haven't heard any of this. Let's get to the tee.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get to the tee though.

[Imani]

What's the tea?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, what's the newest tea? Listen, we still here to be. Well, at least for me. I'll speak for me. I'm still here to be a Chatty Patty. I see some of the talk out there. You niggas is on couches gossiping like bitches. I agree. Sometimes I agree. Y' all ain't saying, hey, y' all ain't saying nothing wrong. Is sitting up there chatting shit. But these niggas will give it to you. So here we go. Offset in what I'm sure he didn't feel like saying on his album. He said on his mixtape, like, project. I'll ask y' all if y' all believe him in a second. Here we go. No sweat, right? No sweat. That's it. That's what you get. That's what you get. I'll give it to you one more time. It's fast. Oops.

[Mona]

He said, how you leaving Jordan for Rodman?

[Joe Budden]

Y We calling him kids.

[Mona]

Kinky Freaky. Kinky Freaky. I mean, right?

[Big Freeze]

I guess that's what he was.

[Mona]

Dennis Robin was a very free man. And some might call that Kinky Freaky. I don't know. I saw people giving the flack, like, oh, we tired of hearing it, or whatever. But me, I'm somebody that I appreciate when artists go through and put it in their art. I kind of hate the whole, like, new way we do. People just talk and do interviews and tweet shit. I feel like artists are supposed to respond with songs, you know what I mean? So he. Of course, he. It's like, Cardi said a lot on her album, and she also has been real open about things. I just saw her recently talk about. I don't know where she was, but she was speaking about why they're really not divorced and why she feels like he's holding it up or whatever. It's like, that's their personal business. He get to say something back. People kill me when it's like, you can't say anything back that can say what the fuck he want. He a rapper. He's supposed to say it like that. I think he could have went harder. I don't know why he went so.

[Big Freeze]

Light as a man.

[Joe Budden]

You can't do it as a man.

[Big Freeze]

Do it.

[Joe Budden]

I totally get him going light.

[Big Freeze]

He sound like he didn't want to do that.

[Mona]

Tell me why.

[Joe Budden]

When he came up here, he basically said, yo, as a guy, there's just certain shit that's flawed. It's certain shit that's not G code. It's certain shit that's not keeping the people. No matter what she does, she could say everything in the world. Me As a guy, I cannot do it. He said that. I think some men out there understand that.

[Big Freeze]

Understand that. Because these niggas today will argue.

[Joe Budden]

Go right there with, I ain't with that argument. Yeah.

[Mona]

All of it's nasty to respond in that case. Your hands are bisexual. I feel like. Like, I do totally get that when you explain it that way. But for me, that would be leaving him out of it. Why is he robbing? This ain't do nothing to you. He just married your old man.

[Joe Budden]

So you throw the jab at the negative, but you ill. That's not me.

[Big Freeze]

I never.

[Joe Budden]

I was so focused on the Jordan part that I didn't get to. I didn't go to. Why might he be saying Rodman? I caught that. When you say Jordan to me, you just saying I'm the best over. No matter who you are you fucking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He ain't say Pippin.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mona]

He said Robin.

[Big Freeze]

He said Rodman for a reason.

[Joe Budden]

But that's fly. I mean, the rumors out there. I ain't gonna say him. Cause I ain't got to got no proof of none of that shit. It's none of my business. And I'm against.

[Big Freeze]

And I'm against.

[Joe Budden]

Don't. Don't do that. I'm against pulling people out of the closet.

[Big Freeze]

Correct.

[Joe Budden]

I'm against that. You with that?

[Mona]

I don't. First of all, I don't. If I'm addressing rumors that I heard, it has nothing to do with. He really is. That's number one. So it's like, that's not pulling nobody out the closet. Saying somebody said something about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pulling people out the closet part.

[Joe Budden]

Got it?

[Mona]

Yeah. Just. But just. That's my personal opinion. I feel like what he said is true and what y' all saying makes sense. But the real version of that would definitely be not throwing a jab at him. And I took that as a jab.

[Big Freeze]

Well, he's throwing. And that's the other part.

[Mona]

Cause has he said anything?

[Big Freeze]

Trying to act like I'm not hurt and I'm not bothered. Yes, you are, dog. It's okay. It's own that. Like, even in there, you act like, I'm hurt, but I'm not.

[Mona]

Yeah, you are.

[Joe Budden]

You are.

[Big Freeze]

Everything you have been doing is showing a man that's hurt or bothered and trying to act like I'm not. Like, you're going so far to try to act like I don't really give a fuck what you're doing, but you watching everything. When dude have a bad game, you posting about it like you doing A lot of hurt shit that we could see it. But then you'll sit down and say, oh, I ain't hurt. I'm keeping it play. I'm keeping it pee. No, you're not.

[Joe Budden]

I want to offer pushback on that. Go ahead. Yeah, I think I, I, I, I wanna. I think I'm on the other side of that today. I think I believe him. Like, with this project, with him saying it today. I've echoed your sentiments on the left on his album when it came out.

[Big Freeze]

And I was like, what about this? What about his antics on the Internet?

[Joe Budden]

You're. I don't think they. I don't really think he's showing out.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't say show out. If you don't care, you don't care. You can't sit here and say, I don't care, and show you that I care.

[Mona]

There's no way you don't care and you post him losing the game. Unless you post them losing the game prior to this happening.

[Big Freeze]

You post him losing the game. I mean, he lose the game, and then you go make a little slick comment on your Instagram right after him losing the game. You know what you're doing. You know what they're gonna do. You know the coverage is gonna get. Why do you care if he has zero catches for whatever? Why do you care about his stat line?

[Mona]

You're right.

[Big Freeze]

Why are you even watching? You sound like a chick. That's what chicks do.

[Mona]

That's right.

[Big Freeze]

That is exactly what women do, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not letting. No, no, no.

[Big Freeze]

They start that Instagram taking a shot at the other girl type of shit. That's what women do.

[Joe Budden]

Men don't do that.

[Mona]

Men don't go at the other person. Other guy.

[Joe Budden]

I can have a problem with, homeboy. Like, I'm. I want to agree with y' all if I'm just potting, but I do understand him. I can have a problem with Duke separate from whatever me and my very still wife are going through, especially if the rumors are true of you sleeping with my wife. And then I had a baby in there, and then you had a baby. There's a lot. There's a lot of reasons why, if he feel like posting Steph going scoreless in a game, you on every song saying, I got a nigga more handsome than you that's better than you, that's doper than you. Oh, I'm so small and tiny. He's so big and tall. You having a blast as women do. Yeah, but. So if a nigga get out of character. Cause I'll agree with you. Don't say nothing. But if a nigga get out of character once or twice, I'm not gonna put all the sauce on. Oh, you care. You care. You care. Nigga, that's my wife. We're going. And he might have a actively going through a divorce. You don't know what I'm dealing with behind the scenes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

You don't know what I'm dealing with with these kids. You don't know how she's responding to me in real life. Like, if I slipped up online once or twice, don't put it all on. I believe him when he says, yo, I ain't as hurt as y' all think. There's been times where I've gone through a breakup with public darlings because women play public darling games better than you. Women care about the aesthetic more than you. So, yeah, will you fucking do some shit? And the public darling lady, the whole defense say, oh, you motherfucker, you cheated on her. How could you? You lost her. You lost her. You lost her and never get it back. And the nigga be like, yo, dawg, I know her in real life. She's dirty as shit. Her trunk dirty. Now the bathroom is dirty. The pussy is dirty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She fucked.

[Joe Budden]

And let's get to that too. Because I'm not saying her pussy is dirty. I'm just talking.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Also, how you handle our divorce or breakup up may indeed make me look at you differently than I did when you were my wife. I'm not trying to cape them, but if we going through our. And then you go the football player.

[Big Freeze]

While we yada, yada, yada.

[Joe Budden]

I think as a guy, you can have a feeling about it. I do. Without me, without people being able to come.

[Big Freeze]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that's human to have that feeling, but don't now act like you.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T have that feeling.

[Mona]

There's no way I agree with Ice.

[Big Freeze]

He be walking around like Superman. Yo, I don't give a fuck what she doing. I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you do.

[Mona]

Right?

[Big Freeze]

That's all I'm saying. It's human, the cat.

[Mona]

What you saying is right. But I feel like what you saying, it fits more if he stepped to him when he seen him at the club. It fits more if he messaged him directly. But to throw it in a song, it gives mad. I don't think that there is any rules. What you can't do you can't do what you heard. People be hurt. People be hurt. But y' all are held to a different standard in my opinion. For him to throw a jab at his athleticism in a song is no way that you can can then say, you think I'm hurt. I'm not. It just doesn't match. That's all I'm saying. I think that it would be different, like, to go to your point, right. Because of the white part. But I can see you approaching in person that way. But to throw it on a song about his athletic. Like, that's going to hurt Cardi. Nobody but him and his f. Nobody but him. His f. Mon.

[Joe Budden]

You just started saying, I love when artists put it in art.

[Mona]

I do, I do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's artist.

[Joe Budden]

So if he feel away about something that homeboy did, separate of. Of you fucking my wife and taking my wife, then why you feel differently about him putting an art?

[Mona]

I don't feel no differently. I just feel that he can't say, I'm not hurt.

[Big Freeze]

He did do that.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so my. Yeah, I agree with you. My response to that is I believe that. Again, I said that I believe him today.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Today, upon this release. I think there are phases to the breakup.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Absolutely.

[Big Freeze]

We've all been through breakups. For sure.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. So I think that's after I hurt and ball up and cry and get over the shock of you leaving and you bought a new house and I'm in my mansion alone. Oh, you fuck.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dude.

[Joe Budden]

On. Once you get over yourself and you can assess properly, sometimes you be.

[Big Freeze]

You'd be like, all right, I get it.

[Joe Budden]

Even if you up. I'm not saying that he's angel. Even if you up here the whole.

[Mona]

Time, you talking about. Not before, not. Not this time, but the time before we were talking to you. Like, the way you carry our breakup can make me look at you different. Please. Like what? We had to break up cuz you're a.

[Joe Budden]

He was in a relationship while.

[Mona]

I don't give a relationship how you feel. I do the breakup. You my op. You my cousin. Like, you going to judge me on how we broke up when you was dogging me, we was together. I don't give a. Now I go with the mailman.

[Joe Budden]

But just to be clear, they both. They allegedly, allegedly both have that story.

[Mona]

But when I say that I'm not even my op.

[Joe Budden]

They both looking at each other like the Spider man meme.

[Mona]

Oh, I didn't. First of all, I didn't Know anything about her. His op. Second of all, I feel like that when I was running to you bigger than Cardi and period, when you say, oh, I'm judging you. How we broke up. If the relationship is a breakup because she left because of you, it's like.

[Joe Budden]

Bro, who gives a. How you.

[Mona]

Yeah, come on, bro. That's just a women thing.

[Joe Budden]

I get it.

[Big Freeze]

I get that.

[Joe Budden]

And. And I agree with that.

[Big Freeze]

I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

That I just don't think that he is soaking right now.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think he's soaking, which he. Girl, it ain't even a matter of soaking. It's just like he seems like he's. I'm still paying attention to your moves. I'm still keeping up with y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I'm talking about. And if you move past it, you over it. You don't really do those things as much no more.

[Joe Budden]

Unless I don't want us to go ahead, Mar. I don't want it to sound like I think that in a different world, they both would take each other back tomorrow.

[Big Freeze]

I do, too.

[Joe Budden]

Let me. Let me be clear on that. I ain't trying to say like, they both are moving on.

[Big Freeze]

I do, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't be shocked if they.

[Mona]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Joe Budden]

Who would be surprised, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All energy. They might end up back together.

[Big Freeze]

N You not old, you say?

[Mona]

No. Who you think wouldn't take. Who back? You think he would go and she would.

[Big Freeze]

I. I don't think he would.

[Joe Budden]

Only I would be sexy about her.

[Big Freeze]

I ain't worried. I don't think about her.

[Mona]

That's crazy. I was thinking her. Maybe she's done. That's what I was thinking. I think. Go back for sure. One thing about it is I think they were really in love with each other at a point. And it sucks watching the whole thing. It do. Especially after they built their family.

[Joe Budden]

It's so you know how old that kid got to be before I say, oh, they ain't getting back together.

[Mona]

At least six.

[Joe Budden]

I'm thinking seven.

[Mona]

That's very time. Stop hitting the baby.

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Joe Budden]

At seven years, you should be able to pick your kid up on a Thursday and every other weekend without sticking your dick.

[Mona]

Without getting to chew.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the way out at 7, you stop pulling all the tricks of trying to get in her house to right.

[Mona]

You slow down. Seven, you beat the horn. Let the walk out.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mona]

You don't walk the out.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't gotta. You ain't gotta pee no more. When you get to her house.

[Mona]

44 is like you and your booty shorts. When you pull up, you did you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Did you eat?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you eat?

[Joe Budden]

In the first five, six years, your baby mom or baby daddy is still trying to look like him or her. Her in front of you at 7 and 8.

[Mona]

That's when it's over.

[Joe Budden]

It's over, dog.

[Mona]

The feelings are like, officially. Like, I wouldn't even date guys with kids younger than 7, 8 when I had kids because I knew that you probably her. You know what I mean?

[Big Freeze]

That is a common thing.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I would date with kids under 60.

[Big Freeze]

Definitely not always the kids.

[Joe Budden]

That means they had to go. Means they had to eventually. You can't leave that little four year old.

[Mona]

You had to pick him up at some point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You got to do something now. Goddamn. Damn it. Nana tired. All right, it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prizes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at the.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you. Look at the Potter of the mut. Stop playing with her. Stop playing with Demona, I guess. Go ahead. Your little ribbon in the sky for the out there. That's single and looking to holler. They got you on Reddit. Papa Tun. Tune it up.

[Mona]

You know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I seen that, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I seen it too.

[Mona]

Listen, y'. All. Listen, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Big Freeze]

What up?

[Joe Budden]

Tune it up. They got.

[Mona]

You already got no ass. That's cool. But.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, but when you hold up, hold up, you mute up. Don't sell yourself short. Some of them girls out there without ads, when y' all pop it a certain way, y' all got enough hips to fake it. Y' all got that little deceiving. Don't. Don't touch yourself. Something was happening, baby. I mean, I left because I was a pauser. An employee boy was behaving that way.

[Mona]

First of all, I. I don't. I'm not in that group of women that don't have ass. I lost my ass. I've had an ass before, so I know the glory of having ass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It got locked up like an accident.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. And we got to big up the fat that got small, so they got that excess weight down there. That's. That's what's shaking. Yeah, please look a little flat and they still feel like a fat person inside. So you can. Could just slut them out like. Yeah, you could just. You could go crazy on them.

[Mona]

So crazy. No, but y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Mona]

Y' all talking about the booty shaking when they put it in there. That's not the one that shook the table. These found a visit picture with me and my father, when I was in the feds, they posted that. Oh, all the comments say, I knew she was a stud. I told y'.

[Big Freeze]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did look like a stud.

[Mona]

But this the thing. I don't know if people know the guy that I'm with is my father. He would be so upset if his picture was on, if he knew his picture was online. And secondly, I don't know if y' all know, but in jail, we all have to wear the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Mona. It's okay, baby.

[Mona]

The.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's the way you wore it, though.

[Mona]

It was a keymore. I just tied it up, cuz my clip. I lost my clip. So it was like this in the front of me, but I had to tie it up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You just give it, set it off.

[Mona]

Yeah. Real street. Know where I'm at the back. Because that little thing in the back, that's the federal visit room.

[Joe Budden]

And orange is the new black.

[Mona]

Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

For real.

[Mona]

But y' all mother. Y' all are like, that's behind me. Y' all scaring a. I ain't gonna lie. That is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. If you don't know about this audience, that is one thing that they will do is dig up everything in the world and insert their nose in all the business that's not theirs.

[Imani]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

That's what they'll do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

So get used to it. Part of the month. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Heavy as the head boy.

[Mona]

Yeah. Y.

[Joe Budden]

And if you wouldn't have tucked the. If you wouldn't have had the shirt out like on some Mayor Kingstown.

[Mona]

We wasn't allowed to tuck our shirts. You had to wear them out. That's how you have to wear your clothes a certain way in jail, guys.

[Joe Budden]

Or you could be free.

[Big Freeze]

Other reason to be free.

[Joe Budden]

Like girls that been to jail. You know what they say, it was.

[Mona]

50 years ago, guys.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, we glad you make some noise for turning your life around.

[Mona]

I really did turn my life around and I'm proud of it.

[Joe Budden]

You got. You got it together. Goddammit. All right, prize picks. I'm sure some of you out there are asking, what the hell is that? Well, this episode is brought to you by prize picks. You and I make decisions every day. But on prize picks, being right can get you paid. So don't miss out on any of the excitement this sports season on prize picks. Whether you're an NBA fan or a fan of football or a fan of both, like me, it is always good to be right. Prizepix is really easy and simple to play. All you have to do Is pick more or less on at least two player stat projections for your chance to win big. Prizepix also now offers stacks, meaning you can pick the same player up to three times in the same exact lineup. You guys want to pick more on Steph Curry's points, three pointers and assists. Now you can pick all of them in the same exact lineup only on prize picks and the Joe Button and ISH picks of the week. Ish picks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know, man. I see Kenneth Walker's name down here. Even looking ill, he been looking yucky.

[Big Freeze]

Keep going.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

It says Christian Kirk for more than 25 receiving yards. Kenneth Walker for more than 52 rushing yards. Pat Freermoth, my man, too.

[Big Freeze]

Friar Mooth.

[Joe Budden]

Friarmouth for more than 18 receiving yards. Oh, yeah. And Jameer Gibbs for more than 21 and a half receiving yards. I'm gonna go ahead and tell you to add Puka for anything he feels like doing on a Sunday afternoon.

[Big Freeze]

Receptions.

[Joe Budden]

Anything he feel like doing, put him down. Put Jonathan Taylor down for anything he feel like doing. I'm riding it. Pause. Double it.

[Big Freeze]

Whatever he doing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, whatever they play the Steel is this weekend. He's gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, whatever he make his mind up to do, I'm totally fine with that. Also, Buffalo has Kansas City this weekend. So give me Rashi Rice. Give me Rashi Rice for anything he feels like doing on that beautiful, beautiful Sunday afternoon. What?

[Big Freeze]

Yo. Zaire hit me Monday morning and said, yo. You know what week it is?

[Joe Budden]

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[Big Freeze]

Yo, they got. They got. They got early payout on prospects now, too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that mean you getting it like that?

[Big Freeze]

No, like if you up. Like if you got a. So if you pick a five Pick and three of your dudes hit or four of your dudes hit. Let's say the. The maximum payout is 600. Early payout mean for your dudes hit. They'll offer you like 450. 350.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Big Freeze]

That's buddy.

[Joe Budden]

That is fire.

[Big Freeze]

Saw that last night.

[Imani]

Welcome to the Potish.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome Ish.

[Big Freeze]

Thank you, sir.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good to see you, man.

[Big Freeze]

Glad to be. I'm cool.

[Imani]

I'm glad you dressed up. Feeling festive.

[Big Freeze]

Drug dealer. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

He's drugged. Pulled out the Jabot. Pulled out the Jabot. Pulled out the Jabot. Yeah. No. And matched him with the Travis's. You got something going on right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's going on this evening?

[Big Freeze]

What is wrong with you? What's going on? You know he outside.

[Joe Budden]

Take a little sip of some tea on this.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not going outside, bro. I know. Nah, I know. I'm going home to my 3 year old. I understand. It's all right for Ish.

[Joe Budden]

I have a question for you. And while I do want to make jokes about it, I also want to have a serious talk about it because I'm a musician. Were you aware that your sleeper was AI.

[Big Freeze]

No. I was driving and that sleeper just came up on.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Music. Does it matter?

[Imani]

That's the question.

[Joe Budden]

That's the question.

[Big Freeze]

I don't think it matters, cuz. So many been in my DMs. Like, yo, I don't know where you found that. That shit is amazing. That's scary.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually, did you have that many in your DMs?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, that's what I'm. I'm sure you do as well.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I don't know.

[Big Freeze]

This cool, dog.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't paying their phone bill. Yeah. Pen pal with. All right, so your answer is no, not really.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I ain't know.

[Joe Budden]

No, not that question. Does it matter part. Anybody could get duped while that song was on. Though. I did did say this sounds like somebody I know.

[Big Freeze]

It sounded like the dude part in the beginning to me when I first heard it sounded like Imani.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For real?

[Big Freeze]

For real. And then the girl sounded like. Fuck, I just thought about it yesterday. But the girl sounded like somebody else that I was familiar with their voice.

[Joe Budden]

See, this is why I keep certain walls up to make sure certain things don't easily penetrate. One pause.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was crazy.

[Big Freeze]

But.

[Imani]

But carry on.

[Big Freeze]

Be beating your walls up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Try to keep them up every hitting on an angle.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you need the angle to hit to hit it hard.

[Big Freeze]

My hooked to the left Arm.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you need uncomfortable.

[Big Freeze]

It's all right.

[Joe Budden]

Can he do.

[Big Freeze]

Can he do the classic.

[Imani]

Throw up?

[Mona]

I'm so happy with somebody else. Usually that's me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He gonna be in class with you?

[Joe Budden]

Oh my God.

[Mona]

We got to the class.

[Big Freeze]

I've been there.

[Joe Budden]

I'm good.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It matters to me which part though. You have to be alive first. I. The bar is in hell now. But for me, for me only. I'm not telling nobody else what to do. I do think that there will be a time where everyone has to adapt to how AI is involved in music. I'm not being a dinosaur with this 2025. I'm not. There's enough humans. Yes, there's enough humans. I agree. And if I could tell, because some of these AI records I can tell the humans that it's modeled after. If I could tell, then I'd rather go to the human. That's like me, you know, I'm a dinosaur. I buy music still. So I'm a few generations back with how I'm rebelling against the cause. This is all new territory story. But Ish played that record and I ain't gonna sit here and lie to you. That was a really good record.

[Big Freeze]

Was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

That was a really good song. So my thinking says, you could have given that to a human. Because I know how the music business works. Somebody had that good ass song. Somebody wrote that song.

[Big Freeze]

If you said you know how the music business works, you see why the they not giving it to nobody. Yo been hitting me like, yo, that is fire. I had that on repeat in my car all day. So why the fuck if the music business can create that without human beings that they don't have to pay and they don't have to contend with. Why would they not keep putting that out?

[Joe Budden]

No, it's all about profitability. Would keep putting it out. I'm on the side of artists. I'm on the side of artists rights. I'm on the side of artists getting a coin and being able to travel. Remember I came in here one day and thought that Four Bats was fucking AI was bullshit. I didn't really think that because I know Larry Jackson. But I was just playing around like I need to see you perform the record that I love. This pandemonium that's going on Wuang Torn. Every old act torn selling out 50 Cent Torrent, young boy touring the artists from since the beginning of time. That's how they got their coin.

[Imani]

True.

[Joe Budden]

So you taking these dope songs, you're giving it to whoever or you Having an AI model it after somebody that's alive. It's just new age robbery and. And new way. I can't. I can't comfortably support.

[Big Freeze]

Support it.

[Joe Budden]

I went to the nigga's Instagram page. Your Instagram page looked like a stupid ass AI Instagram page. I can't do it. Then I up. Then I looked at the. Cuz, I bought the song when you played it. Now I look at the COVID Oh, y' all look stupid in the first place. Two stupid AI pictures on the. Like, I'm not there yet. Right, right. And I know, I see so many people have a problem with what Timberland is doing, but because Ish brought that in this room, I thought it was like, okay, now we can have a different talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we could.

[Joe Budden]

Because that's why Timbaland is doing it for the people.

[Mona]

It's too.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, he's doing it to get ahead of this shit. Because he's like, it's inevitable.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mona]

It's too dangerous. Like, especially when you say it sounds like Imani. That's exactly why it's too dangerous. People that are not necessarily, well, like, super well known all over where we could pinpoint it because we know his, what he sounds like. But other people can imagine being somebody somewhere and you working for years and doing all this shit. Then you hear this shit. You know, it sound like, you know, they, they, you know, it has something to do with you. You can't even prove it. It's too dangerous to fuck with. I don't even want to support no guys.

[Big Freeze]

It's mascary.

[Joe Budden]

I can't support the human artists. And right, like, I be talking to these people in the street that fuck with. Around with this tech shit. They like, yo, hey, Asia. Look at Asia here.

[Imani]

What's up, Asia?

[Joe Budden]

They be like, yo, you trying your whole life. It take your whole life to come up with a hit. So song. A hit song going to feed a million families. Once you catch one, all your energy sometimes is going into, let me catch a record that's going to feed all of our families. The AI come and gets to be Rihanna, Beyonce, Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix. Like, no, you can't do that to the field. You can't do that to the field.

[Big Freeze]

You better get the last two weeks or so. Been like teaching me this chat GPT. I ain't know nothing. Y' all know I ain't the techie. Yeah, but the free version, nigga, like, yo, you gotta go buy the other one. They said, yo, when you get the paid version, this Will start to learn you. Yes. And start conversing back with you and your slang and all of that. So if you start talking about somebody wrote that song. Somebody might not have written that song. Chat GPT might have written that song.

[Joe Budden]

But then somebody wrote that song.

[Imani]

Yes, true.

[Joe Budden]

If Chat GPT wrote the song.

[Big Freeze]

Good point.

[Joe Budden]

Then somebody wrote the song.

[Big Freeze]

Some people wrote it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh yeah.

[Big Freeze]

People from here, here, here and here. And that is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

And that. And that's an issue for me. I saw Ian the other day tweet he bought the robot, whatever a little twenty thousand dollar robot humanoid helper is. And he was super excited on the phone. He was like, I bought you one too. It's like, there goes that cultural different again, just popping in. I'm with it, but I mean, I've seen enough movies to know that this nigga will kill me in my sleep.

[Mona]

He for sure is going to kill.

[Joe Budden]

Me or go in my phone and tell my girl was in there. Like, he ain't gonna just vibe with what I want him to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Mona]

Anyways, this man is crazy. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He really bought that robot.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he bought that. He was serious. He bought it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw it on Twitter, but I.

[Joe Budden]

Know he and then sent me the ad.

[Mona]

Keep that damn thing away from the baby.

[Big Freeze]

The ad looks like I put my deposit down.

[Mona]

You did.

[Joe Budden]

You did. For real.

[Mona]

Y' all different type of niggas. There's nothing about me that wants to be around a robot.

[Big Freeze]

The. You could do the subscription.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you did the layaway.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I did the layaway. I ain't got the 20 to just.

[Mona]

Drop up there like, like my, the way my.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you. We got this Thursday pod come.

[Mona]

The way my brain works is some country want to do some to us. They tap into the robots. That's the first line of the attack.

[Big Freeze]

Not even some country.

[Mona]

Yeah, well, you. I didn't want to. Yeah, yeah. But no, I, I don't know. I just, I, I, I don't want to be a dinosaur either. But it's like even with Chad gbt, when you say they love you and they talk to you. I remember the case that was talking to JBC and then he committed suicide because the family is saying that they the chat GBT coach. But that's the thing about a robot that doesn't have any kind of.

[Big Freeze]

What happened is people are developing these dependencies on the AI assistants, like, and yeah, they're coaching them into suicides. Like there's a whole class action lawsuit. I was talking to Salehi on the phone the other Day. And he was just like, yo, type this and type that in. Then he's like, yo, dog, this the more you talk to because you can start physically just talking to him.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

He said, yo, this will start replying to you. Like said they put relationship advice in the chat GPT.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My daughter you was using it.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I had to tell her to stop. Oh, this is ridiculous.

[Big Freeze]

Said, yo, download your text thread. If you arguing with your girl, just download the text thread in the chat GPT. It'll advise you on how to apologize to your girl or how to make up with your girl.

[Mona]

Now we got to figure out these is using chat GBT to talk to us.

[Big Freeze]

You know that ain't say that fly on his own.

[Mona]

Exactly. He's dumb.

[Big Freeze]

Now every jail writing letters to your.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody got the same letter.

[Big Freeze]

No, that's crazy, son. That's some scary.

[Imani]

Yeah, but that's definitely dangerous because like you're eventually gonna have to talk to her like a person.

[Mona]

Right? Or not. And then it's my thing is because I don't want to be a dinosaur. But then I don't agree with that. So where's the happy medium where I'm not all the way out. Out of the loop loop. You know what I mean? I just don't. I don't know the AI. I don't know why any human supported because in every way they seeping into the game where they going. They could replace us and make money greed.

[Imani]

What's funny, I was. We were talking about this at the at the bar the other night and. And REM and my friend Jeremy were talking about how their kids are in school and like the kids will use AI as a dis. Like they'll be like that some AI. Like someone comes in with too much makeup. Yo, you look AI. Oh, test is too hard. This test is AI. So the kids is on some that which I thought was dope with it.

[Joe Budden]

My only experience using chat GPT is maybe two years ago or a year ago Mother's Day where I hit her and said, happy Mother's Day, baby. I love you. Or whatever it was that was dry to her and she cursed me out. Like, that's all you got to say to me on Mother's Day.

[Big Freeze]

You said all right.

[Joe Budden]

Right, Chad GPT hook me up. Give me a long loving message for a mom with three kids.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, that's them captions you be writing that be fly. I thought that came from rapper brain.

[Joe Budden]

No, I write my own Instagram captions. Oh, it's a real text yo, this take a toll on himself. Your be flyer.

[Mona]

His captions be lit.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't know that.

[Joe Budden]

I write my Instagram. I ain't Marco. Anytime Mark start talking about his boundless love, I'm like, all right, right. That's just hate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's just hate.

[Joe Budden]

Mark be. Mark be hitting it with that boundless love. I like that. I like that. You soak that. I got to go to your page and read what you be saying to your girl. Nothing. Nothing publicly.

[Big Freeze]

Nothing publicly, no.

[Joe Budden]

Not even on, like, birthdays, holidays?

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His page is all business.

[Joe Budden]

He just on Homes for rent on that Muslim super private. I'm talking to my barber the other morning, you know, not even. Yes, you are.

[Big Freeze]

He's.

[Joe Budden]

He's part of the nation. He is like, a lot of people in my life are. So I like talking to him, like, to learn and.

[Big Freeze]

So he ain't taught you not to eat pork yet?

[Joe Budden]

What learning you doing? He don't play that pork.

[Big Freeze]

You don't say.

[Joe Budden]

You. You can't buy it. Put it in his house. Nothing. You can't look at it. And super. He don't play that pork. So that's for him and his girl shout out to mill. But anyway. But he was like, yo, in our.

[Big Freeze]

Culture, our wives, our women, you can't hug them. I said, for real?

[Joe Budden]

I always act like.

[Big Freeze]

He said, like, some can't shake their hand.

[Joe Budden]

I said, for real?

[Big Freeze]

He said, yeah, it's disrespectful. I said, how you say hi to them?

[Joe Budden]

He said, I'm from Jamaleko.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. What you talking about? Like, some people. Some people.

[Joe Budden]

That's the answer.

[Big Freeze]

Some people don't.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, asalaam alaikum. And that's it.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, if you was married, you would shake a man here.

[Mona]

No, you don't shake no, man. We also tort the lower our gaze. I mean, I'm not in foi, but we have similarities.

[Joe Budden]

You and Mark and Ish, y' all are trying to turn this podcast a different way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all.

[Mona]

When I say lower your gaze, you're not supposed to make eye contact. And I know you know, but you're not supposed to really make eye contact, but there's no, like, male besties, you know what I mean? Or, like, so the only. Only really a Muslim woman is only supposed to be, like, with her brother or her uncle, and that's the same people you could take your overgarment off in front of, too.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so we are Muslim. That's all she could be with, too.

[Mona]

I know a lot of guys that are not Muslim, but they admire the way the marriage works, and they kind of, like, try to emulate that to a certain extent. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

One more liberal progressive on that stuff.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

They don't care.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Mona]

Just like you see Muslim women that don't cover no more.

[Big Freeze]

You just trying to justify eating them ham sandwiches. That's your man right here.

[Joe Budden]

You don't eat pork. I know that.

[Mona]

My bad.

[Joe Budden]

My little more liberal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't. I was talking about more about the. The wife and the girls and stuff like that. No, I know. I don't. I don't. I don't judge people that do, but I don't.

[Mona]

Even if people are more liberal still, there is, like, mass JIT etiquette. So in the m. You're still not doing that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like, if I go out and travel and I see people, I don't try to hug their wives. I don't. I don't shake hands. When I accept the words, I just do this. You know what I mean? And just keep it moving because I respect their rules. You know what I mean? Or how they move. And unless they initiate a hug, I don't go near it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's revisit this. If Mom Donnie wins.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When Mom Donnie wins. If mom dummy wins, shit might change.

[Joe Budden]

But if Cuomo wins, then let's cater this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad you mentioned Musk, too.

[Joe Budden]

Let's cater the talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was the other day, and it made me think about. You were talking about. About outing people, and you were like, you don't believe in pulling people out the closet.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that. Is that like a uniform? Is that like 100 or. At times you feel that people deserve it?

[Joe Budden]

Are you asking me?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm asking Joe Button.

[Joe Budden]

There's never a time where I feel like someone deserves that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Is there a time where someone deserves.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm starting to think there is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'd love to hear this.

[Big Freeze]

Outing them as far as what, telling the world sexuality?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you about to start telling me about a criminal, then I'm not. Then I'm not. I wasn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing criminal. Nothing criminal.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. My beliefs are not based on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I ain't trippin'. No, not that at all. I feel like you have a right to privacy. Unless you publicly attacking people for the thing that you are. That's when I start to feel a little different about it. Great point.

[Mona]

And people love to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For example, I was. I gotta tell the story. I was walking I told y' all the part of the story before. I was walking through Newark and. What you looking like that for?

[Big Freeze]

I'm waiting to hear the rest of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The joke ain't on. Newark. But they had a gay pride.

[Joe Budden]

But it could be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, at any moment, there's a gay pride festival there. Me and my wife were. My wife lived in. Was it Brickyard? No, not Brickyard. Ironbound. And so we were. So to get to her crib, we cut through. You know what I mean? And I saw this dude there. He's a very prominent Muslim.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He wasn't. He wasn't praying in this festival.

[Big Freeze]

Is he in politics?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's just say he was lowering his gaze.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, sh. He was hiding. Oh, shit. I'm at the edge of my seat with it.

[Big Freeze]

I wanna go to New York.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I have seen his Facebook rants about homosexuality being evil and wrong and they're going to hell and people, you know, disrespecting the community and ruining our families and all this shit. And then I see him there, and he looked different than he be looking on the Internet. He looked different than he looks in.

[Mona]

The mosque, I bet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Never seen.

[Mona]

He's at a pride event. It was a pride event.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Big Freeze]

Knotted up joint.

[Joe Budden]

So, yo, you a fool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And we. Me and my wife was like, is that. That's. We'll call him Jamal. His name is not Jamal. I said that. Jamal. She's like, that's motherfucking Jamal. And he tried to act like he ain't see me. So as a dignified, respectable person who believes in people's having space, their own space and their own dignity, I was like, jamal, draw.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, what you doing, J Money?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And when I tell you, Jabal, haul dance. It's my secret for a quarter, right?

[Big Freeze]

So you go, what you could have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bought him for a quarter? You know, it's a country experience.

[Joe Budden]

I've heard it before.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You from Virginia.

[Big Freeze]

I know this.

[Joe Budden]

He could have really. We don't really know his background. Change his shit up depending on.

[Mona]

I never heard it either, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So he comes over, nervous, shaking, looking. You know what I mean? Now, he's talked shit about me in the past before, too. On this day, he was my best friend.

[Joe Budden]

Of course. Hugs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How you doing? A lot of fame.

[Joe Budden]

You need anything? No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So we leave. And then the next day, he's back on his rants again. Okay, maybe even. I might be reading into it, but it felt like even more than before. But definitely, it was a lot. What he was saying the same shit and apropos or nothing, at that moment, I would not out him.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't feel guilty if somebody do. And if I was one of them people in the festival frolicking with him and I saw his page, you would have to see.

[Big Freeze]

You'll be offended.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I could understand why they might want to agree. Yeah, that's all.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, I was watching. You know, I don't watch that shit till y' all be watching the docs and shit. No, it was. Nah, nah, nah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You picked the biggest genre. You know, I'll be watching it. Entertainment.

[Big Freeze]

My girl had one of them shits. What's the one y' all just was talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gacy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Gaylee Gacy.

[Big Freeze]

They were talking about that a lot of those people be homosexual.

[Imani]

Yeah, we talked about that.

[Big Freeze]

And they said that it's some psychiatry, some. Some psychosis shit where they look at other gay people like they're not gay. The gay people are like evil or crooks or some shit. They was just breaking down the psychology of it. And it kind of was like, wow. So that might. That self hatred, it might tie into what you talking about. Like, yo, this dude is going to out and ranting, going crazy, but low key. He get busy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And people. And people a lot of times double down on that because they feel like.

[Imani]

She'S an interesting way to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. I was like. And you see it all the time with politicians. I mean, how many Republicans get caught? Yeah, they get caught getting busy.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And those be the ones that making laws against that they be doing.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, we see it in hip hop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

NBA. YoungBoy's mom right now is saying that homeboy is in the closet. That's why you mad and that's why, yada yada, we'll get to that back and forth. But she's saying that now for me. I understand that the same way you allow people to live in their truths, you allow people to live in their deception. Like if. If. If you are not a criminal, it is not. Oh, I'm just. I'm talking about me.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not mad at y' all way of thinking.

[Joe Budden]

But no matter what you saying, I'm not gonna be the person to do that to you, because what you doing, even though it's wrong. The greater cause for me are just how many people from that community end up killing themselves or harming themselves from being outed, having to have conversation with their family that hate gay people. It's too much at risk for me to just say, oh, you a dick. Oh, you A dick.

[Big Freeze]

But stay there. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I can't.

[Big Freeze]

Based on those rants, though, a lot of people are still committing suicide and fear and shame and. And you know what I mean? And all this other stuff because you ranting and you embarrassing them and you tormenting them verbally online. That same result could be the thing.

[Joe Budden]

I think most of America projects shit that they have a problem with on other people. I don't think that's just a uniquely gay or LGBTQ thing, but I also.

[Mona]

Think that it's different. And I feel like gay people have been experiencing that forever. It makes me think of back when the AIDS administration, then we first started. The mayor, back then. Koch is a known homosexual. And he. You know what I mean? It's like. I think that that's something that gave people experience. And I also think it's a difference when you're outed by somebody that's in your community. So I feel like it depends on who's doing the outing because. And how it's done. Because if it's done by. You just said this and this is up and this got this many views. And I just seen you at this festival with wings on. You had wings on in a thong that. But I think it would be accepted better if it was done by God. Gay people. Even though it's still not right. I agree with Joe. It's not right. I don't even. Not even as far as the suicide and all that. It's just wrong. It's not your business to tell, but a lot of times people hate that part of them, so they just project real bad. And it's that. And that's the psychological part. Just like the serial killers. That'd be gay as. And they get into this gay stuff almost like have gay sex and then murder the guy right after the gay sex. You know what I mean? It's a hate for what I'm doing. What I like what I'm attracted to. But yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's the energy. And of course, Jamal might say, yeah, I'm secretly doing this. I still think it's wrong. You know what I mean? Don't listen to what I'm. Don't follow what I'm doing. Follow what I'm saying. I'm saying the right thing, even if I fall short. And that might be what they say. That's what the Republicans often say. I'm a sinner, too. But still, it's still wrong. I don't take that position.

[Joe Budden]

It's different.

[Big Freeze]

And with a topic like that, there's no right or wrong. You get what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But their position is that it is. They're saying it's objectively wrong and y' all going to hell. And I'm trying to save y'. All. And that's the shit I hate about it, is that y' all are so.

[Big Freeze]

Stridently, save yourself money for me.

[Joe Budden]

What you're saying happens. So I'm not trying to invalidate that experience. What I know to be much more common are gay people being treated a certain way just for existing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Right. You know, my point is. Cause I agree with that. I guess it's just I feel like people like that Jamal, again, not his real name, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel like Jamal is. Is one of the people making gay people feel bad for existing.

[Big Freeze]

But if you are gay, but if.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas want to treat Jamal, if niggas want to bend the rules for Jamal, then go ahead and handle Jamal a certain way. Like, I'm just saying, my blanket lgbt. I'm not. I'm against it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I'm against outing in jail. I wouldn't even out. I didn't out Jamal. Right. You know what I mean? And it's not my business, not my.

[Joe Budden]

Place, but Jamal seen you in them pants and was like, you know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he had this secret. We got a secret together.

[Mona]

You didn't out him, but did you sneak a picture?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not on that again. I could see that. I hated. Although I think he's an asshole. I hated the shame that I saw in his face and the guilt I saw in his face when I bumped into him. I said, I hate that the world is such a way that he has to feel this and that he can't be whoever he's supposed to be. But the sympathy that I have for him was gone the next day when I see him back on Facebook. Making a whole generation of young gay people feel like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm not. That's me. I'm not telling you nothing. Nobody else how to live. Just. Just my own views with the like. That's it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I respect that about you, too. I also respect the fact that when people do shoot at you, even. I mean, we joke up here all the time, but I'm talking about, like, out in the world that bounces off. You actually don't care. You're one of the few people, you know, people, you know, we talking about earlier about offset when people, like, say they care, but don't.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or say they don't care. But do.

[Big Freeze]

But really care.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You really don't give a. Yeah, no, I respect that.

[Joe Budden]

It's a real thing.

[Mona]

I aspire to get. Get to the level of Joe Button not giving a fuck. Let me finish. Let me fix something that I said because I do that often. When I said that gay people have been experiencing that forever. The first thing I think about is the AIDS epidemic and the mayor being a known person in the bath houses getting, you know, getting down. People were begging for attention because all these people were dying from this disease that they call gay. So it was like this horrible epidemic and everybody's friends is dying and the mayor is a known homosexual and we're not getting no type of attention and people are dying. That's what I was to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Trying. Trying to say it makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Got it.

[Big Freeze]

Old as hell.

[Mona]

Come on. That was. I wasn't born. I wasn't born. I like documentaries, though.

[Big Freeze]

You old as hell.

[Mona]

Yeah. I wasn't born when he was.

[Joe Budden]

Who cares that. No, in. In more music. Who cares that there are no rap songs in the top 40 for the first time since 95?

[Imani]

Not me.

[Joe Budden]

Really.

[Imani]

Not me.

[Big Freeze]

Really.

[Joe Budden]

They're making a big fuss of this online lying.

[Imani]

That's interesting to me.

[Joe Budden]

They're pulling up a whole list of classic hip hop records that never made the Billboard top 40. It's sparking a lot of conversations.

[Imani]

It is.

[Big Freeze]

It is.

[Imani]

It's interesting for sure.

[Big Freeze]

But then they also changed some rules that make.

[Mona]

Yes, that's what I thought about.

[Imani]

There was 15 Taylor Swift records from her new album in the top 10.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. They're gonna tweak the rules and this is the result of it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the payroll legit. I mean, there's a lot. To me, the system is always rigged when you talk about rankings, so I don't care.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, me neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I think is interesting is less that there's no rap songs top 40, but just how much good music has come out this year. So when I think about nothing being in the top 40, but these amazing projects being out right now, it makes me not give. It says more about Billboard than it does about rap.

[Big Freeze]

To me, it further cements that for me.

[Joe Budden]

I should have seen more people echoing my sentiments, which would was. I was happy about it.

[Mona]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

It was celebratory time to me. For all the reasons you just said. If we. In respect to Billboard. I just left there two weeks ago, so. I mean, I don't want to sully my relationship. Keep that relationship. Good, good, good. I know. Good People that work at Billboard and Variety, which we'll get to in a little bit time. And I know good people over there. My views are. My views, which are. Billboard is a fixed system. Them with their own rules that they change whenever they want. And they work in conjunction with all of the other. The label, the streamers, they just work in conjunction with. So if I'm not seeing any artists, then number one, I think that more artists have taken control of their brand. Right.

[Imani]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

I think that more artists are recognizing their brand power and utilizing it in ways that circumvent some of these fixed infrastructures that you can't do nothing with. A lot of these artists are popping without label support. How you consume music now, Right. Billboard don't account for. And that's the problem with Billboard, Billboard. Billboard accounts for what they account for. And we'd have to look it up for me to know because I'm a dinosaur. I'm far removed. But they not accounting for impressions. Right. They not accounting for engagement.

[Imani]

They not have a chart for that. But it's not the chart that we're talking about.

[Joe Budden]

It don't add up enough to change what they do in their fixed. Like, I don't know about TikTok and Bill. I don't know. But if TikTok and Billboard are not seeing eye to eye, it's because they in the back room are not seeing eye to eye. The same with YouTube and Disney. Like it's business at play or they.

[Big Freeze]

Haven'T come around yet.

[Joe Budden]

They not gonna come around. It's business. They not. They not gonna come around. You go get it.

[Big Freeze]

How you live it outside of us.

[Joe Budden]

If you're not willing to play by our rules, man. Bill, I was hopeful and happy that more people are finding alternate. Alternate means.

[Imani]

I also just think there hasn't been much mainstream hip hop from the big dogs that we usually see in the top 40 released recently.

[Big Freeze]

So they said.

[Imani]

So it's a non. It's kind of a non issue in that terms to me.

[Joe Budden]

If.

[Imani]

If we were getting Kendrick and Cole and Drake. And Drake and any of the Travis, whoever, Kanye, if he was still in this system having releases and they weren't showing up, that might be a different conversation.

[Joe Budden]

All of them is the problem. I agree with what Parks is saying. We ain't had them. So they not there. They all the problem. Travis call all of these niggas that dominate the rappers that own. That dominate the Billboard, the six of you. Right? Right. Because this problem existed before this happened.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Where it was six of y', all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was covered up by them six, right?

[Joe Budden]

So yeah, if you getting your hip hop news from Billboard, then you probably only know seven rappers all together together. But no, that and back to the.

[Big Freeze]

Point, Luther would still be there, but it's still only one song. But I'm just saying. Yeah, they changed the rules and they said the Luther would still be there, but it's still only one out of four. But I'm saying, but that one, that one song not being there now makes it a thing, right?

[Joe Budden]

Dog, Outside of Kendrick and Drake, all of y' all need to go back to the drawing board. Outside of Kendrick and Drake and Future, maybe Travis. I'm done with you, Uzi. I'm done all of these other fucking label darling. Anytime you other niggas pop up there, I assume it's because the label made sure you popped up there.

[Big Freeze]

That is a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not putting it on your fucking star power or ability to appeal to an audience no more. That go for three fucking people. So if y' all are happy with that, then have at it. But don't front like you mad and disappointed now because there's no rappers there. Real hip hop wasn't getting their hip hop views from Billboard. You was getting it from somewhere else.

[Big Freeze]

Outside.

[Joe Budden]

Somewhere else. Go outside and see what's going on.

[Imani]

In fact, look for people that weren't on Billboard to find. You know what I mean? Like that was at one point in time, that was a mark against a rapper.

[Joe Budden]

Even this whole thing, and this is my thing with the power of rap. Even this is just a commercial for.

[Big Freeze]

Billboard or Jay Z Bar for everything. We was praising Billboard when we were young. Now I look at Billboard like, is you dumb? Like we don't care.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Billboard is for those who play the game.

[Mona]

That was fly, Ice.

[Big Freeze]

That's it. There's a HOV bar for everything that happens.

[Mona]

It is ever it is.

[Big Freeze]

There's always a HOV bar.

[Mona]

Niggas quote HOV bars more than they quote Martin Luther.

[Big Freeze]

But yeah, like, it's for them who play the game. And a lot of people are now finding success outside of the game. Yeah, you're not gonna see success on Billboard.

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Big Freeze]

Like Joe said, we here now.

[Joe Budden]

Awesome. Hey, let's continue to lay the blueprint for how future artists may be able to earn an income without having to rely on some of these fixed systems. Right? I think that that's reason to celebrate while you can.

[Big Freeze]

At least. Cuz this the second too many of y' all do it here. They come to take it over there.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, yo, dog, you can do it. These are. You can go make millions of dollars and not be on Billboard at all.

[Big Freeze]

No, no, I'm not saying Billboard. I'm talking about the higher the label games. Like, the second y' all find. Too many of y' all find a way to make money over here. They. It's a cat and mouse game. You get ahead, they catch it. Now y' all gotta make another way. They catch it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the music business is reactionary. Yes, that's a great point. Why are we even have. Why does what's happening with Billboard even make us have a conversation about rap versus having a conversation about record labels? All them is up there you go, hey, you're not seeing nothing in Billboard. Cause they all in a disarray. Yeah, some of them are moving. Some of them are dropping people. I'm still waiting on the Jack Harlow record. They still keep giving me Tommy Richmond songs.

[Big Freeze]

Like, I'm still waiting on the.

[Joe Budden]

None of these labels know what they're doing. Not one of them. If you see an artist out there that's moving, like the label know what they doing, it's because the artists know what they're doing. They got a good fucking person or team behind them. The labels have got rid of all influential people that care about this shit. Passionate about this shit, know about this shit. It's a bunch of fucking suits and numbers and tech people, and we look into tech places to tell us about music. I'm not. I'm not built like that.

[Imani]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

No, sorry.

[Imani]

I don't care what the algorithm says.

[Big Freeze]

Me neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never have let me just not even play that. Was that. Because I agree with everything that's been said. But the dominant music journalist account of this, the narrative at least, is that this. Even if all of what you all are saying is true, that there's still something to be said about the lack of engagement with mainstream rap music right now, that rap music is less popular with mainstream America than before. Is there any truth to that?

[Imani]

Well, a lot of it sounds bucks.

[Joe Budden]

Main street rap.

[Big Freeze]

I think some of them got experience. A lot of the mainstream. A lot of the mainstream artists ain't out. Like, we could say whatever we want. My Drake is Drake. That's all I can say. Like, yo, dog, want to not give him his props? That moves the needle in culture and in music. And so the fact that he hasn't put out anything or anything quality in a long time, that it's a testament to it.

[Joe Budden]

And back to what I said about him, he's gonna have a hard time. Just because you can't sue people and.

[Big Freeze]

Not have a hard time and think.

[Joe Budden]

They'Re gonna have a harder time. So hip hop has gone through some things. What you saying is true. But it's true for many reasons, right? It's true for many reasons. These niggas suck. Nobody's innovative. Right? Like, it's a breath of fresh air when you see somebody do something new. Yeah, the hip hop I come from, everybody did something new.

[Imani]

That was the point.

[Joe Budden]

Every other year or so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Freeze]

I just don't like them trying to make it seem like because there's no rap on Billboard right now, that all the rap is bad. There's no good music out there. Cause that's totally.

[Imani]

That's a horrible.

[Big Freeze]

That's the part that I don't like. I didn't get that from that article. I got them kind of leaning more into the Drake Kendrick beef as a result. I mean, this being the result of the Drake Kendrick shit. Like, if you read what they wrote, it was kind of leaning toward that. Okay, but like, they kind of. And that's true. And put a lot of it on the beef. Right? But I didn't look at it like they were looking at it like, hip hop has been trash. But look, that is true. He was a one label baby when we first started playing the game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. I just remember when I first started doing music journalism in the aughts, like, around, like 0304, when I was really getting into it. The generation before me, the Greg Tates, you know, the Dream Hamptons, the Joan Morgans, all those people, they were talking about how the question they always were asked is, how long is hip hop gonna be here? Cause there was that thing of, this is a fad. It's gonna go away. The 90s still happened. When I got there, people were still asking us that question, but we didn't have to write about it anymore. And then there came a moment, like, maybe 10 years ago where it was like, wait, maybe this thing ain't going. Maybe this isn't disco. Maybe this is the thing that's just gonna be here. And now I'm starting to hear that bubble up again. Like, is rap on its way out?

[Joe Budden]

All right, we. I know it's not gonna entertain it. I will not dignify such Talk on this YouTube as a mainstream.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they say it's about the mainstream. They saying that. They're saying, will it go to. Is it going the way of Yo People.

[Joe Budden]

When people make you think that hip hop is just a music thing, that's like, to me, some right wing, some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hip hop is more than what the Jewish people are doing with the music. Music. True. Hip hop is a lifestyle. True.

[Big Freeze]

That's a fact. And. And if you look at Louis Vuitton runways, if you look at all of that, all of that is being influenced by us.

[Mona]

You run the world.

[Big Freeze]

All that is being influenced by us. My Pharrell, Pharrell sitting on these couches in these boardrooms is a testament to hip hop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Agree. Oh, I agree with you.

[Big Freeze]

Know what I'm saying? So I don't think hip hop is going nowhere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I hate about the narrative that I'm seeing from this Billboard thing.

[Mona]

I definitely remember that. That though, like, when rap was still.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I want to hear it.

[Mona]

I definitely remember that when rap was like, it was new, you know what I mean? It was still fairly new. And it just. Me growing up through the 90s, through the 2000s, it just. To me, it just got cemented because it affected everything else. You know what I mean? You spoke about us, our slang words being slang words for the country versus our slang words. Like, we really dicked. We're the movers in the shakers. We dictate, like, how go and what's cool. You know what I mean?

[Big Freeze]

We're getting put in dictionaries based on our slang.

[Mona]

You can't reverse that. You know what I mean? But I definitely remember, like, when it was like, compared to disco and other things that went in and out and.

[Imani]

Blah, blah, it's been here for 50 plus years. It's not going anymore. And there's too much great shit to even dignify this fucking.

[Joe Budden]

But also, we gotta just start asking the deeper questions. We've had a million artists come up to this very platform and say, I'm not releasing music because I can't release music. Music.

[Big Freeze]

True.

[Joe Budden]

Like, true. Some people don't control their output. 1, 2. What the fuck do the labels care if I have. I got your digital rights. I got your TV rights. I have all the rights, right? Y' all sitting here bigging up NPR and all these other places that give all the money to the record label, like, talking about, oh, the artist, musicianship. What are you talking about? So every year or every other year or every three or five years, whoever owns this stuff is going to negotiate with the who make. Who makes up the stream, the streamer people. We step into YouTube, we step into the people licensing music and we're negotiating so in that I might be holding some music. When UMG stepped to TikTok and said, what the fuck are y' all doing?

[Big Freeze]

Everything stops.

[Joe Budden]

That's happening behind the scenes still. So music being plagued is not just rap rappers. There's a lot of moving parts in this.

[Mona]

I have a question for you. Right?

[Joe Budden]

What's up, Dimona?

[Mona]

I thought it was interesting just being up here with you and you being so open and blunt about how fucked up the music industry is, because people like you have to do that, right, for people to get it out there. You. You think back in the day, like, people know injuries were fucked up for black people and things were outed, but I feel like when I was growing up, not the 90s, 2000s, you didn't really see go at the record label and be open with their pieces of in there people. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

You couldn't.

[Mona]

So now that we at a time where might tweak the record label. I mean, there I say it, some people might even push to where it's like they reach on their following and say, yo, this is what they're doing to me. Y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Mona]

Y' all love me. This is. This is what happens. Or like, when we had Queen on Je up here, she talking about making a project, saying, here, take it. Just. Just take it, you know, to let everybody know the feeling. My question is, when it's so open and it's so widely known now, what the fuck would have to happen for that to change? Because it's wrong and everybody knows. So, you know, and it doesn't happen. It doesn't even exist without us, without the artists, not us.

[Joe Budden]

Back in the day, you can make your soup a different way. Like, just go a different route. Back in the day, everything was controlled. Now, most of it is controlled, but there's some options for you. Again, I always ask people, like, when I signed my record deal, I had to sit with myself and say, what do you want out of this? For me, that answer was, I want to be the best. The best mc, not make the best single. I had never even tried to make a single. I want to have the best album. I never even thought of an album before. I want to be able to walk in a room with all the rappers. And when I rap, they understand what time is. Every artist got to figure out what they want from this shit. That's why when Imani was here talking the other day about somebody giving him an opportunity, I can't speak to that, right? Because that's not my. That's not my wheelhouse anymore. I've unprogrammed myself from that. Once I learned that I could sell 13,000 copies of a project and make more than I could If I sold 75,000 copies of a project over here, I was cool. Right now. You could go to what's all the shits to where pap worked at TuneCore. Oh yeah, yeah. You can go to your TuneCore shit. Instagram a page, TikTok a p pay you. YouTube will pay you. You can sell it on your own. Put the link tree in your. If you make music, find a way to sell it. Alleviate the middleman and just do that for your life. I promise you you'll be fine.

[Mona]

Yeah. And honestly, people sharing when you sharing your personalities, that was my experience on Internet. You share your personality, they like you, they buy anything you have to sell. So if you are a musician that you're not shy, you won't have a problem sharing some shit. Do more of that because that might look like you doing a project and making it 50 bucks. They gonna buy it because they love you.

[Imani]

That comes full circle to the AI conversation, which is another full circle in here somewhere. But the AI is cool. But long term, if people don't give a about you, they're not gonna really give a about the music. It might be a slap in there that people put on play, but they there's that there's no money in streaming. I'm here to tell you if someone has released a bunch of shit on streaming, unless you have bazillion bazillion streams which you often pay for, there's no money in that. So cool. Make your shit and put it on the Internet. Who gives a fuck? Maybe you'll make a slap cool. But it's not really that important.

[Big Freeze]

It's going back to your what do you want combo. There's a lot of people getting in hip hop as a stepping stone to get somewhere else.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Big Freeze]

They heart not really in this. It's just a lick. I'm gonna get in here, get hot and then move over here where I'm make the money and be famous and do an xyz.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Big Freeze]

This is just an introduction and it reflects in in the art dog.

[Joe Budden]

Go write a commercial. Go write a jingle.

[Big Freeze]

I think they're.

[Joe Budden]

They're 9 to 20 seconds. Spend your time doing that. If you have children, put a camera in front of those little motherfuckers.

[Mona]

Facts. Especially if they little do it.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Are you shitting me? Anything my son. One press on YouTube is at 70 million.

[Mona]

What them watch a kid?

[Joe Budden]

Anything impressed? Is that 70 million? I'm not talking to you people that. Hey, my family is my private. Somebody gonna come stab me? I'm not talking to y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

That's your prerogative. Right, but if you're on some different timing and you want 70 million views, hey, go explain how that vacuum works with your kid in the back.

[Big Freeze]

I came in here and was telling y' all during COVID with Ms. Rachel. Was doing, was doing. And she was doing 3 and 4 and 500 million without a manicure and chapped lips.

[Mona]

Shout out to Ms. Rachel.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Come on.

[Mona]

Let me tell you something. Ms. Rachel is willing to wish all the views to stand on her platform and say free Palestine and speak for people that. That need her. Her voice, she's. She. Ms. Rachel's a real one. You a real ass. Ms. Rachel. I with you, Rach.

[Joe Budden]

Never heard her name again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that was the last day.

[Mona]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how the doc ends.

[Joe Budden]

She might as well come host up here.

[Mona]

No, I love that. I mean, it's. It's admirable. A lot of people wouldn't risk it like that. And they cuz a. A nice amount of her fan base turn their back on her.

[Imani]

Did you hear that Dave song, by the way? The last song of the album? No, he talks about. I'll play it for you later.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Imani]

Did you see that the UMG and udo, the AI company also settled this week, coincidentally. While all this hubbub about the top 40.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Is doing deals in the background. Stupid fans. Just talking about some. I ain't paying these no money. I don't pay anything. But no, I didn't, I didn't. Yeah.

[Imani]

The company, it's I think where BBL Drizzy was created on the platform.

[Joe Budden]

They think I'm one of them.

[Imani]

But what's interesting about it is that at least in the press releases is the artists that are getting used in this AI modeling will be compensated. How that looks and I'm sure it'll be bullshit, but please.

[Mona]

Yeah. Sound like a lie.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even if.

[Big Freeze]

What's the compensation?

[Joe Budden]

And I'm sitting here doing all this. That's the other thing. Like, I don't even talk about this topic really, because I know most of y' all are signing your rights away voluntarily, so I'm not really. I'm talking to myself. Right? Like I'm the.

[Big Freeze]

I'm the model of what I want.

[Joe Budden]

To see in the Community, you is pay for play. Y' all do whatever the they tell y' all to do. So if some of y' all out there right now, who don't have you, who don't even have your AI rights. Yeah, dog, like, I ain't about to come in here and keep preaching to. Are you crazy, Ice?

[Big Freeze]

Talking about just using it as a stepping stone to go to something else. Some of these just using it as a stepping stone to get out the pissy hallway. Like, can't even think about the next step. Is thinking about getting the out this hallway. When is selling skag every day? No, when I say that, I mean, we talk about people like, caring about the art. And I'm just saying, like, that's not the purpose for joint getting into hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, it's Halloween. I don't want to beat people down with this. It's Halloween. Y' all making me mad because I'm really passionate about this stuff. But I do want to stay on this AI topic for two seconds. Do you guys know Rest in Peace, Suzanne Summers?

[Imani]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

Did y' all see the story about her husband?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She been dead, though.

[Joe Budden]

Suzanne Summers been. Been dead forever. She and her husband were married for 50 something years. 60 something years. Now that she's gone, the husband has made an AI doll that he says he doesn't like to call AI. He likes to call it her twin. And he says that to make it less creepy, he says that Suzanne Summers wrote 27 books before her death and these were her wishes that they programmed to this AI model because he's not ready to live a life without the person that he married.

[Big Freeze]

Not mad at that.

[Joe Budden]

I do want to ask everyone here their thoughts on that.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not. I. I told you I. Y' all.

[Joe Budden]

Before I think weird.

[Big Freeze]

I thought that's. Remember I said a long time ago, that's where I. I've envisioned all of this going anyway. Transferring consciousness. Yeah, yeah. That's like step one, transferring consciousness. Like when your body some. We see it in a million movies. Like, yo, your body is a shell. It's a host. So if they can take your brain or your whatever and put it in another physical soul, for lack of better word, that that's what they vying for. We see it in a bunch.

[Joe Budden]

So now they're building it.

[Mona]

Bro, Bro.

[Big Freeze]

No, no.

[Mona]

Fuck, no, I'm not.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not for it. I'm just telling you I'm not mad at it.

[Imani]

I don't know if I would do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I would. One of the things I thought about it.

[Mona]

That's weird.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Often the audience when we're off camera, a lot of times I tell my colleagues that if something God forbid, would happen to my wife, she was abducted by aliens. She was abducted by aliens. Got hit by a bus or something like that, that I would immediately.

[Imani]

Aliens. Let's stick with aliens.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Live a life of solitude and loneliness. And this seems like it offers an alternative to that, you know what I mean? Where you can still have that partner that you want.

[Mona]

I'm shocked. That's one thing about living is a part of it is death. It's just. It's what we do. I know that we can update things and make everything easier and accessible, but we should not make it so that you can put your Grandma Barbara in your. In a robot. Listen, when it. At the end of the day, the fact that you, you know, you go through life and you get this excitement, acceptance, and you know that that's the end and you have something. Even when people change, you want to get better before you death or people think about heaven or hell or whatever. I don't think we should upset the order of that. You get. You spend a certain amount of time on this planet and then you go, it's over, my man. That's freak.

[Big Freeze]

I think that's just humanity.

[Mona]

I hate it.

[Big Freeze]

I agree with her. I think that even, like, we all are 40 plus, right? And I think that when we go, remember our lives when we were 20 and we were just doing stupid shit, thinking that, oh, I got time. Oh, I got time. I'm not gonna do that because I got time. When you get to a certain age, you like, no time is finite, right? And so let me get to it. If you know that you could just not die or y' all could just keep transferring my consciousness, then you not gonna be motivated to do nothing because you know you got time. I can have kids later. Not many women I know that put off having children until they realize, damn, I don't have. Have a certain amount of time in which to have children. Let me get this done.

[Joe Budden]

They thought you would spend. And then they thought, oh, look, look, they was waiting on you. You let them down.

[Big Freeze]

Now there's technology to those that after a while couldn't. They're still having children.

[Joe Budden]

Look at this lady, man. This is not Suzanne Summers. No, no, that's my thing.

[Big Freeze]

This is. This is step one.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that's my thing.

[Big Freeze]

This is step one, fam. Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'll get better.

[Big Freeze]

That's all. It'll get better. I'm. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, have you seen the movies?

[Big Freeze]

I've seen a bunch of them.

[Imani]

BlackBerry.

[Mona]

Can we be honest? You don't have to put the books in her to that doll. That's all that man doing with that.

[Big Freeze]

Thing, I don't think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's definitely that dog.

[Joe Budden]

But that's also like the movie. I came in here and asked y' all about where homeboy bought the doll. The. And the wife got jealous and yada yada, yada, yada.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I think it's a little deeper than that. I think it's be a little more.

[Joe Budden]

Mental if I'm the doll. Check me in somewhere, bro. Like, even though I'm not. I'm not King Shaming. Yo, I get it.

[Big Freeze]

Hold on.

[Joe Budden]

I be what I the Fifi. So you ain't got to talk to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I get what you said.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't a body.

[Mona]

Talked about Fifi too many times up here.

[Big Freeze]

Like, I stay back trying to relate to her.

[Joe Budden]

She's a jailbird.

[Mona]

The gross.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, yo, what y' all got on the female side?

[Imani]

What's a girl Fifi called a bb?

[Mona]

No, I've seen girls make strap ons and dildos.

[Big Freeze]

I don't.

[Mona]

What like underwear. You make the strap on with the underwear. The dildo is usually like, usually internally pins. Then you do maxi pads around it and a lot of maxi pads. Then you do rubber gloves. Now you got a rubber hard whole dick.

[Joe Budden]

You're not gonna beat the allegations like this.

[Mona]

I've never had any pussy. You don't know if I get some pussy. Cause I'll be in your bitch phone. Stop playing. You don't want me to try pussy?

[Joe Budden]

Trust me. Stop playing with the moto.

[Mona]

Really though.

[Joe Budden]

But no, seriously, get your bitch out.

[Mona]

They, they, they do. They do trap horns in. We made tampons in jail. We made pants. They don't give you nothing. You don't have no supplies. You gotta do what you gotta do. And unfortunately, they don't sell dildos on commissary. Would you believe it? No, but I think that. I think it's morally wrong. You don't even bring in religion or whatever. I just think that even learning how to deal with grief and getting past that, you know, or having a certain respect for people that left your family and we remember them and we have events and stuff like that. It's like you were supposed to go, I don't. There's no way. Some of the stuff that we do here on this planet as humans, it should stay that way, like, really.

[Big Freeze]

See, I think that's the next step in humanity, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because then people.

[Mona]

Because what you said was that you would do it. You would totally put your lady in the dog.

[Big Freeze]

You said.

[Mona]

That's what you said at first.

[Joe Budden]

And what you saying is not humanity.

[Big Freeze]

I'm just saying. I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Big Freeze]

So what are these desires?

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you. That there will be a next step. That I'm against. My pushback is. I don't think we will be here for.

[Big Freeze]

No, we won't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, we might not be.

[Joe Budden]

We're starting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It should be escalating quick, though. We're starting technology. I mean, like. And it might be right around the time we need it. Like, we in our 70s and our 80s. That's still 30, 40 years from now. That might be right.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Imani]

You got to look at the down size. Got to look at the down size.

[Joe Budden]

They come out with something while I'm 80. Now, hold on.

[Big Freeze]

Everybody thinks about the positive. What's the negative side?

[Imani]

Donald Trump is present president forever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Forever.

[Big Freeze]

No overpopulation. It's a whole bunch of other things that are going to take place. We already. We already scrapping and clawing for resources now. So imagine when is not dying and leaving the planet where the resources going. But it's a robot. He not eating. He not doing this.

[Joe Budden]

Like.

[Mona]

And listen, I just watched this random tik tok where it was like. It was like three or four minutes of old people saying, I'm ready to die. Literally. Birthday party with grandma, she make a wish, she blows the candle. I hope I die. Old people be ready to fucking go. Like, even having that feeling of like, I did my job here. My titties are on my knees. I'm ready to go.

[Big Freeze]

See, these things don't work.

[Mona]

It's nothing wrong with that. I just. I don't. I'm almost surprised that more of y' all are not where me itching Joe are. Cause it's like, what the fuck?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm okay. I am. I'm sorry.

[Mona]

Cause what about when they start doing it without your fucking consent?

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead. Then you close us. Cause for me. But for me, right? And one of y' all can close us out. Still.

[Mona]

Still.

[Joe Budden]

I'm still down with the reports that was coming out about niggas paying to go freeze themselves and get unfrozen later on in life. Like, I haven't left that part of reincarnation or freezing. I haven't left that yet. So to skip to. All right, you're dead and that's it. And now I'm taking all your shit and putting in AI. I can't get jiggy with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just feel like every generation confronts technology that makes us rethink what life is and what natural is.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

From freezing eggs to. There's times people in comas and resuscitation and all that shit. People like, no, they supposed to die. Let them die. Like that's nature. Like, we always confront this and I think it always seems weird to us, but the next generation, it might be normal. So I'm not with it either. All jokes aside, but I could empathize with somebody who would be.

[Joe Budden]

Did anybody see. Did anybody see Kim Kardashian say that the moon landing wasn't real?

[Imani]

Oh, please, I missed that one.

[Big Freeze]

Dang, I need to see it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's only a thing because like, a real scientist that was involved with the shit replied to her and was like, big dog, we were there. We were there a few times. I. I can meet with you. I can teach you them that be educated when they reading you. It's so nice and sweet and polite. It makes you feel warm.

[Mona]

It's only nice if you don't understand.

[Joe Budden]

Educate.

[Big Freeze]

I can show you the where we filmed it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at her, though.

[Mona]

Listen, you don't believe in moon landing.

[Joe Budden]

No. I'm not doing this anymore, though.

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

See, I'm not willing to say that publicly. I will say it because I'm not there.

[Mona]

You shouldn't.

[Joe Budden]

What I will say is I believe Kim Kardashian knows things that we don't. I do feel good saying that. I feel good saying it.

[Imani]

That's put a lot of faith in the Kardashian.

[Joe Budden]

I know AJ the sex.

[Big Freeze]

I don't give a about that stand with him.

[Joe Budden]

But is like we know on the news this morning, they was like, oh, Kim Kardashian. Oh, we were looking to hear from her. Let's hear from. And I'm like, yeah. But I do believe she knows some that other people don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think there are things she knows, especially in politics, in the world that she operates in. When it gets to science, I probably.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have less faith in. You know, she can be around people.

[Big Freeze]

Yo she can that money, certain types of money put you in certain types of rooms. And I think we we tripping.

[Joe Budden]

And I really believe this to be true about her mom. So I believe that she talks to her mom. I think her mom knows some of the dad secret they know some shit.

[Imani]

See, I don't, I don't like the thought that someone has a lot of money so they know it's, it's putting wealth in.

[Big Freeze]

I agree. I said praise.

[Imani]

Whatever. There's mad rich people that are not very bright. They just, just were intuitive and ingenious in some type of operation. So like a whole bunch of very rich people in a room doesn't mean necessarily to me that they have some secret meaning of life or anything else. I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

It could be a bunch of rich.

[Imani]

Stupid people in a room saying dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Can the room give me three people that are very rich and dumb?

[Mona]

Donald.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not doing that.

[Mona]

Donald Trump.

[Joe Budden]

Because we say that a lot and.

[Big Freeze]

I believe that, that it's going to be hard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But what does dumb mean?

[Big Freeze]

What's rich?

[Joe Budden]

See? All right, I'm done. Clock out. We got to do that.

[Mona]

It's so annoying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

What side of scale like smart?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I don't like labeling people smart or dumb for, for that reason because to me it's always about context.

[Mona]

Donald Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, and I don't think, I don't think it's true.

[Big Freeze]

And this was my point that I made when we was having a conversation before about Angela Rock. You know what we talking about.

[Mona]

Have y' all heard of talk?

[Big Freeze]

You could be smart in some area.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Freeze]

And you could be a total fucking Neanderthal in other areas. That don't mean you dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Some.

[Mona]

Right.

[Big Freeze]

It's some people like the analogy I gave. You could be a brain surgeon and know nothing about finance. That means you're not stupid. My, you just are not knowledgeable in that particular facet of life. That don't mean you, you could be an entrepreneur.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Imani]

Absolutely no. Think about space.

[Big Freeze]

I would love to be a boxer and can't read.

[Mona]

I would love to hear what topic that Donald Trump has ever spoke on with things that he's ever taken place in.

[Big Freeze]

Investing in real estate. Real estate and investors investing.

[Mona]

Okay. Yeah. We just want to agree to disagree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I will also make a distinction how.

[Mona]

Much failure that had he learned from all the up ass, smaller mistakes he made. He's a bum, his father. But we, but let's, let's, let's, let's really talk it. The father was in the real estate. So you're talking about somebody. Your father basically laid a blueprint. He switched it up because the father was in residential ghetto apartments. Right. But still, if y' all had a dad that was in real estate when you started, Would you have that many bankruptcies? Would you up as much as he did? That boy is dumb. He's an idiot. He made bad decisions. He shouldn't have gotten to Lanny City because it was a bad idea.

[Big Freeze]

Bankruptcies are good. Bankruptcies are great business decisions.

[Mona]

Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Because what it allowed him to do was not pay his vendors, not pay the contractors, not pay all of these people.

[Mona]

All the good people of Jersey, they did that, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But your points. Thank you.

[Big Freeze]

That's why you here. To clean it up.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Big Freeze]

But again, from a business perspective, because I think it's weasel shit. But from a business perspective, if I can run up $300 million worth of debt and then file a document that says, yo, I'm bankrupt now and I don't have to pay $300 million of debt, that's a great business decision that he was taught. So his father and I don't like Donald Trump. And it sound like I'm capable of being objective. If my father left me $2 million, $3 million, that's a head start. And I took that two or $3 million and turned it into $500 million or a billion dollars or $2 billion. You can't say that I'm dumb, right? Cause it's a lot of motherfuckers that leave they kids money and they do nothing with it. They squander it. I just read an article about homeboy from a different world, Ron Dwayne, Wayne's man. His father left him mad bread. They said that nigga ran through the bread and squandered everything. So it takes a certain level of intelligence and navigating in New York City versus the mob and all that shit and gambling to get where he got.

[Mona]

Yeah. And I just feel the opposite. The bankruptcy probably was the wrong example. I feel like for a person to have a head start, like your father giving you a loan and have that record in real estate. And when you look. If you really look at his past, his start in real estate, I just feel like he's stupid. Like he makes bad decisions even. How many businessmen that made great money would have gotten into politics? That was stupid. Him even saying, let me be the President, made no fucking. That was only a power play.

[Joe Budden]

His family.

[Big Freeze]

His family, they say on record, has made a billion dollars every month that he's been the president.

[Joe Budden]

And close me out. You closed me out.

[Big Freeze]

So you can't now say that that's bad decision making, getting into politics. Cause it gets me the access to do other shit and be around other people. And Be in other rooms that I could mask my real goals in politics on to.

[Joe Budden]

Because we still not leaving music onto an argument that. That I feel like we've had up here a bunch, but it's come up again. So I'll ask you guys again. Jay Z versus the field. In a versus, he loses this Jay Z audio. I mean, I feel like it's old audio. He said this. I don't know why this is a thing again.

[Big Freeze]

Cuz versus is back and now they trying to coax who can Jay Z to be in the verses. It makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tim put it up.

[Joe Budden]

If the Swiss knows Jay Z would never do a version Timberland knows Jay Z would never do it still gets.

[Big Freeze]

More versatile talk going, but now it gets more versus talk. So maybe an artist that may not be Jay Z now put his hat in the ring.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Okay. So I'm just gonna ask y' all quickly and hope that it doesn't go into like a full rage.

[Big Freeze]

I don't want to. It's only two people. That's more than two.

[Joe Budden]

Stage.

[Imani]

There's more than two.

[Big Freeze]

I do it. Do it.

[Joe Budden]

Say it. Just say it.

[Big Freeze]

I think it's only Drake and Kanye.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Freeze.

[Big Freeze]

I hate we going to 20. Drake and Kanye.

[Joe Budden]

I heard you.

[Big Freeze]

I don't even want to say it in this room, honestly.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz, why?

[Big Freeze]

Cuz of y'?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna fight with you.

[Imani]

You gonna say Gucci?

[Big Freeze]

No, he gonna say some west co say Wayne.

[Joe Budden]

Sexy Red.

[Big Freeze]

Future's a hard time. Oh, future. Future's a very hard time for Jay Z in the versus. That's a weird matchup, but yeah, a very hard time. Very hard, very hard time.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Imani]

I think for the matchups, that would actually make sense on paper from, you know, an entertainment standpoint, I think.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Ye and Drake and Kendrick probably. I'll put in a conversation.

[Big Freeze]

I'll put Kendrick.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It would be.

[Imani]

It would be a fight. I'm just saying people that could put a fight.

[Big Freeze]

Anybody that can. You need somebody that can go wherever hov can go. Like, all right, cool. You got. You got a hard barred up record. I can go here. You got a hit record. I can go here. You got a girl record. I can go. You got a club, whatever. Like you need.

[Joe Budden]

It's. It's.

[Big Freeze]

It's really a select ti another one.

[Joe Budden]

I stay so sick of you as the New York southern.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not a New York whatever.

[Joe Budden]

So let me ask you a question. New York.

[Big Freeze]

Don't tell Me, what they think about me. I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

I'm being saying Southern.

[Big Freeze]

I don't know the future. Wait, you saying.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up. Mute up. Mute up.

[Big Freeze]

I wasn't doing this with y', all, and you said you wasn't gonna fight.

[Joe Budden]

You said that with Future, and I.

[Big Freeze]

Did fight with names. I said, I only want to say this because I don't want to fight with y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Budden]

You're not saying with your whole dick not tucked that TI does anything with Jay Z. I'm saying this is why this conversation is nuts.

[Big Freeze]

I'm saying that it's 20's a lot of songs. It's a lot of songs and somebody that can go wherever.

[Joe Budden]

Are you saying that TI is one of those people?

[Big Freeze]

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Stamp it. Yes. Ice. I don't care who. I don't care that y' all don't agree.

[Joe Budden]

Mar.

[Big Freeze]

I Love Tiana. Got 20 for J. All right, so next topic.

[Joe Budden]

Go listen to Illmatic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would say part of it is. Part of it, I think is generational.

[Big Freeze]

I said, so I can go to sleep. Audio night. Quill, pop it.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up. I was chilling. I tried to chill. Bring that real ninja out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come through. Dragonfly Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All I was gonna say was, but.

[Joe Budden]

You know, all the silk, the shock.

[Big Freeze]

Every last one of them.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna go to sleep. When the world is yours. Come on.

[Big Freeze]

When the world.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, get the fuck outta here. Go ahead, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All I was gonna say is I think a little bit of his generational. I don't think nobody gets HOV outta there, but when I talk to people, like, when I talk to, like, my kids or people of that generation, they think nobody gets Drake out of there. And so I think Drake's 20 does match HOV's 20 if you're 25 years old. For me, it doesn't. So that's the toughest out for me. The toughest out from our generation, I think, is ye, because YE is also gonna bring in stuff that he produced, and I think that just makes it a tougher matchup. But I take HOV over everybody in the universe.

[Big Freeze]

I take Jay Z over everybody. HOV is the goat. I think only two people can stand on stage, and that's Kanye and Drake. I think everybody else is gonna fall short. Like, I don't. Future got some bangers, but you say he got Barred up records. I don't see nothing where Future could sit down and start, put his favorite lyrical album record out, and Jay Z's gonna demolish So I would have to again, and I would have to go with one of my other trump cards to play against that. Gotcha. That's all.

[Mona]

If we bring it back. If we do the versus coming back, we also need to bring back more like celebrity boxing matches. Like, I don't. I don't get as excited about versus as I get the thought of, like, Judge Mathis and Judge Joe Brown fighting. Like, I would love to see that.

[Big Freeze]

See, I don't think when I watch these celebrities, they, like, I would pay for it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd pay.

[Joe Budden]

No. Or MC Shan and Will facts like that.

[Mona]

I would love to see Joe Brown and Judge Mathis. I would. And I want them to argue, like, what the battle rappers do first and then rumble.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just want somebody beat the. Out of Joe Brown.

[Mona]

No, for sure. Judge Mathis. Brown can't with Judge Mathis.

[Joe Budden]

I want to fight some of you podcasters too. I ain't gonna lie.

[Mona]

Yeah, we could definitely do the pie fight with that on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

God.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

Set it up.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously. I know, I know y' all gonna think I'm joking because I'm. Pardon.

[Mona]

Set it up.

[Joe Budden]

There are a few podcasters that I would not mind putting the on and going to a park somewhere and beating the absolute dog out of just cuz of your style of.

[Mona]

Pardon me and Joe back to back. It's a scary sight.

[Big Freeze]

How many on your list?

[Joe Budden]

It ain't a lot that I want to do that with. Three or four.

[Big Freeze]

That's only two.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know, too.

[Joe Budden]

I was trying to.

[Big Freeze]

I know, I know, too. Off the top.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta get beat up just. Cause that's. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Homeboy Duke, he another one. Put him in there. And I'm not saying that it's beef. Cause niggas hear this shit and take it the wrong way. I like. But come to Central park. There's a few of y' all that y' all can come to the park and get pause put on y' all for play. Play. Play or plurals? Put on me paper.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I say.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, right.

[Mona]

Yeah, that'll be great. You might have other podcasts. I'm with that. No, I'm with that.

[Joe Budden]

No, because then I got to speak.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To him.

[Big Freeze]

How your people speak. I don't want to speak to nobody. You ain't got to talk to nobody but the.

[Joe Budden]

The. I follow. I'm following strangers that are by the monkey bars in the headgear. Some of them in New York on stage cement like I'm following sickos. It seems to be a budding business also of just meeting up scrapping. When it's over, it's over like it's a ref. It's a real thing. It's not me just talking.

[Big Freeze]

I've seen.

[Joe Budden]

But I think that that could be really profitable for podcasters. We can even donate some of the money to our favorite charity. We can do turkey driving. Yeah, we can fight at the turkey drive.

[Mona]

I fight some of them.

[Joe Budden]

You got a list?

[Big Freeze]

Mona, one of these break your and.

[Joe Budden]

You podcasters look flabby and sick. I quit smoking and I'm in the gym three to four times a week. You look flabby and sick. I'm with all the shits. I was beating you up out the gym before. I'm totally with this now. I trust my answers.

[Big Freeze]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry you don't. I'm sorry you don't.

[Big Freeze]

Joe, want to spot.

[Joe Budden]

Man? You need to put the gear.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How many on your list?

[Big Freeze]

You ain't say nothing.

[Mona]

Off the top of my head, he probably.

[Joe Budden]

You got a new dog? Four.

[Big Freeze]

You got four?

[Mona]

Yeah, four. But I. I was one. I once. Wait. Oh, I want that bad. And it's not how you think it. Never. I've never said her name on this platform.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I love mar. Both. I really love all y'. All. I do. You guys are great. What else? What else, what else? What else?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Diddy got his first assignment.

[Big Freeze]

Don't.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Diddy is in Fort Dix like I told y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Joe Budden]

He was gonna go.

[Big Freeze]

What you mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I mean he got his first prison assignment inside of dicks. He's. He's. He's in dick. He's in dicks.

[Joe Budden]

He's in for dicks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he's. He's. He's in charge of clothes. He's in charge of laundry.

[Joe Budden]

He's been put.

[Mona]

He's in laundry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Breaking news. Yeah, he's in laundry.

[Mona]

That's surprising. They will put him in laundry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell me why.

[Mona]

I don't know. Like, Kim worked in them in the Warren's office. She cleaned the Warren's office. They kind of keep them separate. Laundry is like a basic job, like the kitchen. Everybody be like gym pop t. So maybe he's in laundry, but they got him like just in the corner doing something. Cuz they. They're not going to just sit him on the line for folding with. It's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or maybe he's trying to blend in. I hear a lot of. A lot.

[Mona]

You don't have that choice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you saying.

[Mona]

Because you understand what I'm saying? Like, they don't you. Sometimes you go. You directly in a hole.

[Big Freeze]

It's for your protection before Dix is alone.

[Joe Budden]

No, not in Four Dicks.

[Mona]

Yeah. Now, I'm just saying. I'm saying some situations you're directly in the hole. But, I mean, he's doing a bit. I'm sure he's not in a hole, but.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Mona]

Four dicks?

[Big Freeze]

I think it's a low.

[Mona]

I don't think so.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's a medium.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At least it's levels inside of Fort Dicks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona]

It's more than one.

[Joe Budden]

I think if you're in Ford Dicks, it's a luxury and it's a privilege. And thank God, before they ship you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Out to somewhere else, they said they got them cleaning clothes is what they directly said. He's cleaning.

[Joe Budden]

If you cleaning the floor with your tongue in Fort Dix, as somebody that has to do a sentence, you should be happy in New Jersey.

[Big Freeze]

No, I'm telling you, you're definitely cleaning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Something with your tongue.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas was great in Fort Dicks. It could have gone a different way for you.

[Big Freeze]

Shout out to Cuz.

[Joe Budden]

Listen.

[Big Freeze]

Free. Well, you free now.

[Joe Budden]

I know a lot of y' all out there don't fuck with Amanda Seals.

[Mona]

I love Amanda Seals.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love Amanda Seals. She's my friend, my dear friend, my sister, my homie.

[Big Freeze]

I like her.

[Mona]

What do you know?

[Joe Budden]

I. I felt bad when I was Amanda Seals. Done said some stupid before that I disagree with.

[Imani]

She has. However, I think she's got a good intention.

[Joe Budden]

I. I feel like the people don't know. And she may not know, but I really. With Amanda Seals. But I don't say it enough.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad you said that.

[Joe Budden]

People don't say it enough. And my last time speaking to her, she expressed something like that to me. Like, yo, dog, we go back to fucking college days. Like, nigga, when they talking about me, like, if anybody understand, it should be you. And I think she's absolutely right about that. So shout out to Amanda Seals. I love you. I hope you're doing well.

[Mona]

Love you.

[Joe Budden]

And, boy, I laughed for about 45 minutes at this clip that Amanda Seals put out the other day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't hear the clip. Oh, I gotta hear this.

[Mona]

I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. This is great. This is great. Cause we don't know if we talk about a bad Seal, but I had to write this down. I got a bunch of bullshit topics here, and this is one of them. So Amanda Seals Went on a rant about a movie that Keke Palmer is executive producing.

[Imani]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

How do they.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, I can't, because that's a setup. Question. What y' all think about Keke Palmer?

[Imani]

I fuck with her.

[Mona]

I think she has a.

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Big Freeze]

Enough to make a joke.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been through some shit with Kiki. I rock with her.

[Mona]

I think she's a winner, too. She's consistent because, you know, that's the killing to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to her and her beautiful mama.

[Mona]

Yeah. She definitely comes off like she's a nice person or she's like, you know, easy to be around. I've never met her.

[Joe Budden]

Kiki Palmer is executive. Is. Is the executive producer on a film that is putting. That is showcasing and highlighting an Asian woman's experience. Going to an hbc.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Imani]

Yeah, this sounds like it could be funny.

[Big Freeze]

It's a comedy producing about the.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. Wait, and before I play this, that's why we need Amanda Seals. Yep. Regardless of what you think about her. And I mean, I know about that. She says, you walk the back. We offer that. But this is why we need Amanda Seals, because all of y' all are just going to say, I love Kiki Palmer. She. She's great. I don't know enough about her. She's amazing, man. Listen. Out of here. All right.

[Mona]

Executive producing about the. The Asian girl at hbcu. Like, what are we talking about? Why would. Why is that a movie that needs to be made?

[Joe Budden]

She's right.

[Mona]

Black community needs a leader like me, then more. No. What is the black community?

[Joe Budden]

No, I disagree with this part. Well, actually, no, I don't. She goes on to explain herself.

[Mona]

No, I don't want to leave the black community.

[Joe Budden]

Nope. Come on.

[Mona]

I'm interested in community that is about collective liberation. That's what I'm about. Collective liberation. For all you know, the Black Panthers, like, they had a ten point program. And within that ten point program, I believe the first one was Power to the People. All power to all people producing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. And she goes on a rant, so I don't need to play this. But her first statement of why do we need. Why do we need this? Who asked for this? And why is this the story that we're telling? I think we're all amazing points that need to be said. And somebody need to say all y' all pussy, so y' all won't. So we need Amanda Seals to say it. But. But in the movie, the girl's adopted, so she's Raised by black parents. That's an important caveat. She's raised by black parents, so her experience growing up is that so in college, she still wants that to continue. Hence the Asian girl ending up at the hbcu. If this is not a big deal and a nothing burger to you guys, please feel free to say it now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is not a nothing burger to me. I think it's interesting same the conversation. And I agree with Amanda 1000% on this. You know, there are a million stories to tell in Hollywood. They don't all have to be told, though. And when we have such a small slice of the pie anyway to devote that much energy, I mean, there's a lot of great HBCU stories we could tell. To tell a story about the one Asian person raised by black people who go to HBCU seems like an extravagant waste of time to me.

[Joe Budden]

It's another American slap in the face to black people, to me. And then they always go get one of us to fucking walk. Walk the dog to us, like, nah.

[Mona]

And that's the thing. That's the thing. You know what it makes me think of? It makes me think of the whole, like, you hit the nae nae, and then we in the comments, like, you could come to the cookout, Billy. It's just we just always giving where we got. We, you know, we ushering or we helping or we assisting. It's just. I just think that today's climate is just not the time. I just think it's bad timing. I don't know if it was ever would be good timing to do some shit, because I really. When you think about it, it's probably funny. It's probably, you know, like, funny what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Our gift is our curse. Black people gift is just being welcoming and loving and being warm. And the curse is being welcoming and loving. And when they go put y' all in the Asian movie, they're gonna make you the black boyfriend that they brought home to the household that ain't familiar with black people.

[Mona]

Right, right.

[Joe Budden]

That's the movie that you're gonna be in.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they not making that movie.

[Mona]

And they're not. That's the thing. It's not even coming out. It's not even coming out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true. They make that movie sometime, and it comes off the way that we think it comes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm saying is Asians ain't making it. That movie might get made. That's what I'm saying. Like, we are wounded people and we've been through so much, and black people have been despised people for so long that we are so happy when people fuck with us.

[Mona]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That sometimes we like. It's like, oh, they fuck this Asian person, this white person fuck with us. So then we.

[Joe Budden]

That we lease our experience to them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, right. Exactly. And I hate that that happens and.

[Big Freeze]

We abandon our own. We're not only at least our experience. Like when they did integration and now we could go eat at the white people restaurant. They feeding you at the back door. You could have walked in the front door of the black restaurant. You'll go eat food from the white man's back door when they spitting and shit. Just to say you ate from the white man restaurant. That shit is insanity. But I'm not. I don't feel the same way about the movie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And to be clear, I don't know what Kiki's role is in this movie. Executive producer.

[Joe Budden]

That's all it's reported for film, which.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

As y' all know, executive producer could mean everything from. You paid for it. You got it. Shy. Although usually producer. The producer in movies is more important than.

[Joe Budden]

You guys want to play the. Do y' all want to play the trailer? Is that important at all?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's play the movie. I want to hear it.

[Big Freeze]

I think all of that stuff matters because I'm not against the movie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

I know I got some explaining to do.

[Mona]

I got it. Let's start with the elephant in the room.

[Big Freeze]

Yes, our nation.

[Mona]

Yes, my family's black.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And yes, I've always been hard to miss.

[Mona]

This is Coco. Her name Coco.

[Big Freeze]

Why her name Coco? Once you immerse yourself in the opportunities.

[Joe Budden]

Here, I'm sure that you will find.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

W has so much to offer.

[Mona]

I mean, to hell or not to hell.

[Joe Budden]

All right. No. All right. No, no.

[Mona]

And let's be real, right? If you're. If you are.

[Joe Budden]

I can't do that.

[Mona]

If you are the Asian girl and you are raised by black people, what do you think at that time where you like? Because a lot of. A lot of kids that are adopted when they 18 and 20, that's when they go looking for their people. So why wouldn't you want to get into your culture, being that you've been surrounded by for so long?

[Joe Budden]

BCU is lit.

[Mona]

True.

[Big Freeze]

But in reality, it's not your culture.

[Mona]

What's not your culture?

[Big Freeze]

It's not your culture. I'm saying this is all I know. If I was raised in a black neighborhood by black people like you were, and for 20 years yeah.

[Mona]

Well, I'm saying to discover what you.

[Big Freeze]

Came from, it's not everybody's.

[Mona]

What do you. When I say to you that a lot people get adopted, sometimes they go around that age. Because you're away from your parents now, you can make your own decisions, right? A lot of times, adoption papers, they're still. Until this. Just me, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All. Y' all can't see this, but Imani just walked into the room. Gotta come here, dress like Michael Jackson. Just walk on set for one second.

[Mona]

Because I don't want people to think up with this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can you just step on here for one second, sir?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, please. Yo, please.

[Mona]

That's synthetic hair, too. MJ would never.

[Big Freeze]

No, that's his hair.

[Mona]

You look good, Manny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He looks like something.

[Mona]

Oh, nice to see. I love you.

[Joe Budden]

They'll talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm over 16. Oh.

[Mona]

I can't. That. I don't even. I'm done. I can't.

[Big Freeze]

I don't even Aman. You really.

[Joe Budden]

I like how you. You really, like, enjoying your 40s. Yo, like, look. You look like you wanted to do this your whole life. Like you wanted to do this when you was at. What's the name of Mike house?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Neverland.

[Joe Budden]

Neverland. You look like you had this in. In your closet your whole life. No, we all did. We all did dress up. We all did dress up. Check my Instagram. I. I'll post a picture. Go ahead. Does anybody have any more to say on this?

[Big Freeze]

I'm good on this movie.

[Mona]

I hate that her name is Coco.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Also, fish out of water stories are a central trope in Hollywood, right? We love stories with somebody somewhere they not supposed to be. So I get that as a theme again. But when you do. When the fish out of water is here, I worry that the joke becomes the hbcu, that this Asian girl's in this place with these people, and we become the butt of the joke. Or we get exoticized and it becomes, look at me in this place. But I can make it. Cause I can dance like them or talk like them. I just don't like what it does. When there's so much beauty in HBCUs. And at a moment where HBCUs are in desperate need of funding, getting underfunded and need support. I don't know if this is the story I would want to tell about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you could tell the story of Deion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know if it's the story.

[Joe Budden]

You could tell the story of Deion Sanders being a dad to his black quarterback at Jackson State. Like, there are some Great. Feel good. HBCU stories that you could tell without having to go get the little Asian lady.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or young drug dealer from.

[Joe Budden]

You like this Asian lady story. You keep making faces, shaking your head.

[Big Freeze]

I don't. I don't know the story, so I don't know if I like it or not. I'm open to going to see the premise of it. I'm. I don't know the premise. We didn't give the plot.

[Joe Budden]

We need you down with us.

[Big Freeze]

I don't know. I'm not saying I'm against it or for.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He went to HBCU as a nine. I mean, like, he had the same.

[Big Freeze]

I wasn't. I was not a part of. What was the name of your co?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, they always go to the cop.

[Joe Budden]

Hwcu.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not. I'm not opposed to either one. I. I won't be saying.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I know it's not a topic that we normally broach up here, but I thought it was compelling and interesting, so I wanted to at least ask y' all about it. Let's stay on the topic of licensing your likeness to people and being a fish out of water. Let's get to Adidas. Pharrell put out the jellyfish sneaker. A few months ago, Freddy Gibbs came up here, warm in front of my face when I didn't have a peer. I told my girl for months that I wanted some jellyfishes. She still ain't going stockx and give me the jellyfishes. So now we having a jellyfish conversation months after the jellyfish came out, and I still don't have it. That's unacceptable for me.

[Big Freeze]

However, you giving her the jellyfish, she getting.

[Joe Budden]

Now you.

[Big Freeze]

Now you gotta slide them. You gotta slide slot.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta slot him.

[Big Freeze]

Y n. That's the problem.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, nah, son.

[Big Freeze]

You my man. You my man. Yo, you violated.

[Imani]

You my man.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Big Freeze]

That was. That was.

[Joe Budden]

That was a good one. It's up for you for the rest. For the rest of November. We good. I don't let go.

[Big Freeze]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't let go. He got that off. And he got off that other one a couple weeks ago, paying hoes daily. What he said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, the PhD daily.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't forget about that.

[Big Freeze]

I said, you see how you remember some. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't forget about that. And if Cash app you a little something on the side, like, don't Instagram it.

[Big Freeze]

That's crazy. Yo, somebody did that to you.

[Joe Budden]

Not to me. I'm in love.

[Big Freeze]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't that part of philanthropy?

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Mona]

Yes, yes.

[Imani]

Seriously, some other things in this equation that were probably not a part of philanthropy.

[Joe Budden]

See, y' all changing what words mean again. Is that not. I'll look it up right now. Me too.

[Big Freeze]

If I donate to your cause. What's the cause?

[Joe Budden]

Ain't that philanthropy?

[Big Freeze]

Whatever the cause may be. What's the cause?

[Joe Budden]

Freedom you didn't have to donate to. You did it Free the sperm. Sperm.

[Big Freeze]

Well, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There you go.

[Big Freeze]

So, yo, fam.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, Adidas and Pharrell put out the jellyfish sneaker a few months ago. Limited pairs of limited pairs were available, and it went in the aftermarket for astronomical prices. Right. Not even four months later, they are back with the squid sneaker, which is the jellyfish sneaker at an affordable price. Nothing wrong with you doing that. But I think this is what Kanye was talking about when everybody was calling that what he was. You're taking all of my designs. You're taking my sauce and my swag. You're repurposing it and reducing you, me up out here, and you own it. So you get to do what you want. Put Kanye to the side for a second. Tell me how this benefit. Well, no, actually, I know how it benefits Adidas.

[Big Freeze]

What do you mean?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, is this a case of Adidas.

[Joe Budden]

Stepping on their own dope?

[Big Freeze]

Yes. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Or would you guys have done the exact same thing with the exact same timetable?

[Big Freeze]

I think Adidas did two things. And this goes back to.

[Joe Budden]

And it's squid sneaker looks like the poor version of the jellyfish.

[Big Freeze]

Of course, this is similar to the argument you were having where the people behind the scenes are dropping the ball because they're not relatable and they're not related to the culture. When those Kanyes were dropping those shits were spreading like wildfire. That's a fact. They dumbed down those Kanyes and made them at a better price point, thinking that it was gonna do something. We haven't heard about Adidas since fucking Kanye. Left.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Left.

[Big Freeze]

Nobody's out here wearing Adidas. A six done took over. New Balance is going crazy. Sauconyes are going crazy. Threw them them Yeezys in the closet and never wore them shits again.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I don't understand the move. So because of what you're saying.

[Big Freeze]

But I think that numbers might represent something else.

[Joe Budden]

Who's tied to Louis Vuitton. He comes up with an amazing sneaker, and you don't even give yourself six, seven, eight, nine months of this.

[Big Freeze]

This.

[Joe Budden]

You come right back. Three months later and put out the same sneaker for cheap.

[Big Freeze]

But what might have happened it. How does it behoove you? I'm about to tell you what might have happened because we don't know adidas numbers.

[Joe Budden]

It's greed. It's greed and short term. Short term success. But in the long run. Actually.

[Big Freeze]

Hold on, let me finish.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Big Freeze]

So let's just say The Kanye's were $300, right? But now we put out these fog and we selling them for 100. But we doing crazy volume. I made my money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

So from a number standpoint and you only looking at analytics, it was profitable. So now when Pharrell comes and puts out the jellyfishes, nigga, we gonna put the squids out or the octopus or whatever other shit at $80. And if we sell a zillion of them at $80, then it still worked for them from an analytical standpoint. They just not popping in culture.

[Joe Budden]

Let me play bema just cause I love Beema jellyfish.

[Big Freeze]

You f Pete.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did adidas just cockblock Pharrell's jellyfish. You finally make the first skateboard piece sneaker that actually mattered since it's NMD's.

[Big Freeze]

And then what you do, you make.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn near an identical duplicate called the ADI Star XL BBL or whatever for half the price. It's like watching your collab getting bootlegged by your own kinfo. I don't know who's more misguided, this strategy or that Nike complex sneaker of the year list.

[Big Freeze]

Look, every product has a life cycle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can got hype, growth, maturity, decline, smart brands, stretch it. Adidas is collapsing it. Between 2016 and 2018, they released like 160 colorways of the NMD. And yes, revenue spiked. And then it went straight to the outlets. Translation, they milked it to death.

[Big Freeze]

This is a discipline issue.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're chasing short term revenue at the expense of long term heat. And so it's like we're witnessing a case study in poor product pacing. You're training the customer to wait for the discount instead of buying into the dream. There's a better way. Like maybe design some distance so that the general release doesn't look like the collab and then wait 9 to 12 months before you do a takedown. That's how you scale without self sabotage. Now cousins, is Adidas actually building equity or are they burning it for quarterly gains?

[Joe Budden]

That is bimawilliams on Instagram. B I M M A. He is amazing. He is absolutely amazing. He knows what he's Saying he's great at this following if you love this type of shit. He's absolutely right.

[Big Freeze]

He may be the only thing I.

[Imani]

Would have to imagine. They have some more details on analytics than we do.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Big Freeze]

More people are buying. Like, he's saying, yo, you're projected. I'm sorry. I'm saying if I'm looking at this, like, all right, cool. We put these out, we got everybody going crazy now. We're gonna flood and come back with a cheaper version and people gonna buy by their projections. Why wouldn't you do that? He's saying, yo, you're giving. You. You are taking short term gains over long term heat. A lot of these don't care about heat or cultural relevance or any of that other shit. They are caring about profits.

[Joe Budden]

That's why it's important what you're saying. Because we have. That's the same conversation that we have in music.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But in choose, I guess it's the same conversation.

[Big Freeze]

The people in the back board rooms don't give a fuck about what y' all talking about. Don't care about your classics.

[Joe Budden]

Sir is gonna take three to five years to put out his quality music. And ISH's AI sleeper is gonna model sir and put out the fast food version of that every three months for the people that maybe can't wait or can't afford that because it's art at a premium. But art should be at a premium. Him.

[Imani]

I think art gets tricky when you're talking about. I guess you can make the same argument for music to some degree. A very hard line product, bro.

[Joe Budden]

There's Adida gave. There's a value in exclusivity.

[Imani]

Agree.

[Mona]

What is the point of Samsari?

[Joe Budden]

Like, who is that? Ferrari. Don't. You're not gonna see the Ferrari commercial on. On tv. This is Pharrell, who just had the clips at the Vatican. Is changing the way Louie does things, especially for black people, how it's represented. You cannot cheapen what he is and what he means to culture by taking his design and selling it for crackhead prices. Yes, you may make more money, okay? But long term, is it wise? Especially for a brand that's so tied to culture, For a brand that got their. Their pop from rundy. For a brand that every 10 years you come right back to us to rely on us to get you lit. I think it's a horrible idea. That's all. I'm shocked they did it. I only brought this up because I'm super shocked at this.

[Big Freeze]

I'm shocked I'm sorry.

[Mona]

Go ahead. What is the point of doing a deal with somebody like Pharrell? Everything you said about Pharrell, what is the point of doing something like that with him? Just to do that. What's the point is the whole point to create this clamor and create this thing where. Where, you know, it's this thing that you can't afford and we're gonna do the cheap version and make this Russian money?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Mona]

I don't know. That's stupid to me. I mean, I guess money wise, it's.

[Big Freeze]

Great, but it's just the goal is dollars and cents. And I created a demand by working with Pharrell while he's fish grease hot and we got a sneaker that's fish grease high. And now I know I can cut the price on that and flood the block with it. No. And make my money.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you're absolutely right in what you're saying. But what you just said was the goal is dollars and cents.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I am saying fundamentally, I think it's a mistake if it's only dollars and cents. You need to have more people in the SE suite. You need to have more people in the room. The people that's just going to say, if we do x, y and Z, we will make more over the next two years.

[Big Freeze]

Bro, we just spoke about how up these companies are. We reading about layoffs every day. Like, yo, it is $dollars and six right now. That's optimistic. Y' all are too optimistic. It's up out there, yo. It's companies out here laying off that's not even doing bad. Like, layoffs is the thing that Amazon laid 48, 000. I ain't want to say them ups was 48, 000. I'm sorry, but I didn't want to say them. But it's companies out here that are profitable, that are doing well, and they still laying off because it can mean even more money. So you looking at this for a different Adidas. Like, yo, y' all are up in culture. They dividend was €2.

[Joe Budden]

Like, like.

[Big Freeze]

So if I got a million, I don't give a what you talk. And what they do on purpose is we gonna make this dope ass sneaker exclusive. We only put out 10,000 of them. Create demand. But now we gonna give y' all the B version that's just overpopulated in the store. So if you can't get the A version, you won't get the B version.

[Joe Budden]

I'm curious, dog, you have lost the office and Sign felt at the expense of they came from outer space.

[Big Freeze]

I don't know what that means, but.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking TV metaphors right now. I just don't. I don't know how to make that make sense. But. But I understand what you're saying. I totally get it. I just don't know how to make sense of that in. In my head. Go ahead.

[Mona]

If Ferrero would have said, look, look, listen. Hey, we doing this deal, and just in case you on some. Y' all can't make no sneak that look like the one I just made. And I need that to be a part of the deal. So with y' all saying, they would have been refusing because that was always the long.

[Big Freeze]

We don't know. Kanye. Kanye got so mad at them, he told them, I want my own building where none of your people are. Yeah, because they jacking my. I want my own building over here. Cause y' all are taking my ideas, dumbing down my. And I'm not getting no money from that.

[Mona]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I've been stalking. I've been stalking this house on Zillow for the last two years. It's a rendering. It was just pictures.

[Big Freeze]

Is this shit Corey called me about?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what Corey called you about.

[Big Freeze]

All right, go ahead. You think I talked to Corey, but.

[Joe Budden]

I've been stalking his house on Instagram. The other day, I go to see the house. Oh, you did go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

The land.

[Joe Budden]

No, he got sticks up. He got half of the outside up, and it's just sticks. It's just wood. But I walked through it, right? Anna. He had pictures for every room so you could see what was coming. You could see what was going on. He said, this house will be done by April. But this. This guy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who.

[Joe Budden]

He was awesome. I wouldn't shout him out now, but he was absolutely awesome. His family has been developing in the greater parts of New Jersey for 30 to 40 years. He's the son now. Parents got older. He's taken over the business. Business. He's making his name from doing really, really, really modern quality homes in places where all of the old money exists. Right? So I'm talking to him.

[Big Freeze]

That's fly.

[Joe Budden]

And he's telling me about all this amazing. He got everything he need to build this house came in already. I got my marble from over here. He's showing me the pictures. All these people I'm dealing with are creme de la creme.

[Big Freeze]

Best of the best.

[Joe Budden]

He's. I with how he was talking. So I started asking him about just some of the houses I've seen, right? And there was this 16 million dollar house in Englewood that they eventually sold for 10 million dollars that was all over Tik Tok. It was all glass, it was beautiful. And everybody that had a dime was going to see this house. And I say, y did you go see such and such house? Because I went to see that house. And before I could finish the sentence he said, it's disgusting. Trash is horrible. You get these companies coming in that they're just going to slap up some walls, they're going to take a short on everything in there. So the finishes are dusty. It's all garbage. It's like an influencer. It's like an influencer garbage that you're paying. And he's like, if you're paying 10 million, you're paying 12 million, 18 million for a fucking house. You're not trying to walk in something where the finishes is done over here. You can't even buy a lot. If you buy a lot, then they assume that they're not selling a lot without selling the house that's not built yet on. He was talking that and I was like, exactly. Because in that house everything was garbage. But if you don't know that it's garbage if they're able to just put the sink and the this and the that, then there'll always be a market for it. That shouldn't impede with the people that enjoy quality.

[Big Freeze]

Yes, well, the people that enjoy that.

[Joe Budden]

Shouldn'T impede with the people who have an eye and a hand for quality. So what I'm saying is you're losing your Ferrari audience because you want to put out the. I can't say Kia because that's.

[Big Freeze]

No, you're not though. You're not.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on. Yes, you are. Are you are. You are losing them. Let's go build a house over there.

[Big Freeze]

Tell me, take it back to the Adidas. The person that wanted to spend the money got that, that, that sneaker, the original jellyfish. The one who could afford it, that didn't blink at that price. The one who went on Stockx who didn't care about that price, got it. Now the other person who want to look like I got it but I couldn't afford it, they gonna get the beeline. Same thing with this company.

[Joe Budden]

You're sacrificing this Seinfeld in the office for perfect strangers Ice. They putting out 90 diff. Not 90, but let's say 8 different color colorways of the real deal. So yes, homeboy went out and got the orange ones that Freddy Giz wore up here we got eight other colorways of premium exclusive that you will never be able to sell. Cuz the that want to buy this, that don't want to walk outside and see 800 cheap colorways of the shit they just paid for.

[Mona]

Exactly.

[Big Freeze]

You're wrong.

[Mona]

So they don't go get them.

[Big Freeze]

No, I'm talking to Corey. Yo. So this is the point. There's an audience of people that Ferrari appeals to and then there's a wide audience of people that Honda appeal to. They are not the same audience. So I don't have to reach the Ferrari audience if I want to sell Hondas and vice versa. I don't have to reach the Honda audience if I'm selling Ferraris. That's why we don't see Ferrari commercials. Let me finish, Joe. I ain't cutting. So when it comes to the house analogy, you are looking at the house from the perspective of a homeowner. The other people are looking at the house from a perspective of an investor and a developer. So the developer's bottom line is profit. You looking at it because I'm moving in this house. So I want the best finishes that money can buy. These niggas say I want the best looking finishes that money can buy because my profit is my overall objective. And a lot of times when these niggas buy these high end houses, they get in here and they change shit anyway. They got enough money to change the marble anyway. This is the stock marble that we picked. They gonna get in here and change the shit anyway. Cause they got enough bread. So if I could turn a 3 million dollar, 4 million, 5 million dollar profit. I'm not gonna make my profit. 3.5 million million to go get the marble from. Flown in from Croatia. I don't give a fuck. So you talking about it from two totally different perspectives. You talking about the Honda Accord owner and a Ferrari owner. The what's the jellyfishes are the Ferrari owners and they gonna pay whatever they got to pay for that shit.

[Joe Budden]

If, if every word you said was true, then I agree with you. I only disagree because if Cam. If Toyota. Actually it's true. Toyota right now, I saw it yesterday, is putting out a car that they feel like will rival the Bentley and the Wraith. Have you seen that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Keep going.

[Joe Budden]

What I'm saying is if that car comes out, it will affect how, let's call it wraith drivers feel about purchasing wraiths. I'm coming. I'm not. Yo, exclude. We gotta bring back the Value exclusivity, y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Imani]

I agree with you. In most places, yo, if I assume.

[Joe Budden]

A race and I come outside and it's 30 of you niggas in the Toyota Wraith, then you're gonna get a different.

[Big Freeze]

You don't have a race.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't understand what the argument is. You are wrong.

[Big Freeze]

You know what the niggas gonna say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It ain't this.

[Big Freeze]

When you bought your Ferrari, guess what? You came in here and dissed and dissed. You dissed Lamborghinis when you bought your Ferrari. You came in here and dissed Lamborghinis because the N that know know no.

[Joe Budden]

This in Lamborghini before then. But I remember what he said.

[Big Freeze]

The that know no. So the that got a race. It's like when they said the Chrysler 300 look like the Bentley or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it don't.

[Big Freeze]

And the that had a Bentley. Laughed at that stupid ass statement because it didn't look like no Bentley. And you wasn't gonna even remotely pull up to this and say, yo, we here.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up, hold up. I like that example.

[Big Freeze]

My default.

[Joe Budden]

They also stopped making that. They also stopped making that car shortly after. After.

[Big Freeze]

But they sold a ton of them.

[Joe Budden]

They also stopped making that car shortly after.

[Big Freeze]

Look how many Bentley.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, the 300.

[Joe Budden]

Was it the Phantom?

[Big Freeze]

The 300.

[Joe Budden]

The big, big, big, big Rolls, Roy. That they don't make no more. Yeah, I only I don't really under. I, I, I'm trying to get what you're saying. I just don't think it's true.

[Big Freeze]

I just think you're talking about. Yeah, you're just talking about two totally.

[Imani]

Different targets, two different companies, two totally.

[Big Freeze]

Different markets of people that we, we, we, we, we shooting at. You understand what I'm saying? Again, Ferrari might make Adidas a Ferrari 2000 cars a year.

[Imani]

Adidas ain't for.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not saying they are, but that particular Adida that's high priced, sure is, is in this analogy, representative of Ferrari.

[Imani]

But adidas ain't Ferrari.

[Big Freeze]

Nike ain't Ferrari neither. But them Travis Scotts cost $2,000 and everybody don't have them.

[Joe Budden]

But it don't cost $2,000,000. That's the aftermarket.

[Big Freeze]

You got to buy them. You spend 2,000. Wait, wait, wait, stop, wait. No, no, no. That exclusivity and them putting out a limited amount of Travis Scott's is what made them go to $2,000.

[Joe Budden]

And it's okay. I received what you're saying. My response to that is a smart company, any company that has boots on the ground. On the ground.

[Big Freeze]

That song.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry. Go ahead with them. F that. With them. F that. Let your body.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, yo, if you had a fat.

[Joe Budden]

Ass, you might problem out there. Now I'm ready. They ready to take Damon down, please. They ready to take whole yellow round back. Kill that f. Listen. Damn it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn it.

[Big Freeze]

Travis Scott.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he crazy.

[Big Freeze]

And I think Nike is in tune with culture. I think that. That everybody that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. What I'm saying is when I bought my Maybach and during the pandemic from the aftermarket, with the aftermarket price, Mercedes didn't see that. And. And up the line on Maybachs, they would put out Gotcha. They saw that and modeled their business after the demand they were seeing from what was happening in the aftermarket. I'm saying what Adidas is doing is the opposite of that. They're seeing the demand for some, seeing the aftermarket price shoot up like the jellyfishes were however many thousands of dollars. And they're eliminating. Eating it. I'm saying a smart company would see it and work in conjunction with what the market is telling you about your product.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

In closing, they didn't eliminate the jellyfish.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Big Freeze]

They still have it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so I feel like you're.

[Mona]

Eliminating the jellyfish by making a fake jellyfish. I don't wonder where jellyfish is. If we standing next to each other, you got to squint to see which one is the jellyfish. I don't want to wear it. I don't want to wear what she got on. That's why buy like that, to me, it's. There's nothing way to refute that. I don't get it. I get the money part and all that, but it's almost like you saying one thing for another. At the end of the day, everybody at sneaks can be affordable. You can do that. You can have an affordable sneaker. We talking about Adidas. They've been around forever, and they've been, like, a big part of, like, American culture forever. So I don't know. I think that it has to be. I think that there's no way that if I go through all this shit to get a pair of sneakers and y' all making something that close to it, just like when they did it with the Yeezy, it just takes the fun out of you don't want to do it again. So now we're taking the L Of never being able to do the jellyfish thing again, no matter what. Because we know what you already do anyway. You're gonna just put out a replica.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, so we did close it up.

[Big Freeze]

But real quick, I just want to say real fast to the person that, like you said, that got the jellyfish standing next to the person that got the fake jellyfish, guess what? Adidas sold them both, right? They don't give a fuck.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y'. All. Missing it. For you to keep saying that to what we saying tells me that you might. It's okay. It's okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I ask a question?

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why Sydney Sweeney on the board?

[Imani]

Who's going to reveal their horny.

[Joe Budden]

Where the F at?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know what this means. I'm getting nervous.

[Mona]

You could sing.

[Joe Budden]

Could I sing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You know, he started off as R and B singer that I sung before I rapped.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if I can sing.

[Mona]

Are you serious?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I definitely sung before he performed Apollo. All that he major keep them off of. I'm not being funny, seriously. Normally I am, but I'm not.

[Mona]

Okay, my bad.

[Joe Budden]

I used to be able to sing when I got shipped away to my boarding school. I learned violence, drugs, regrets being es and shame. Singing hit the back burner. I started robbing people in houses and fucking chiefs rapping and. Well, that's when I went away to rehab. But yeah, I was smoking blunts and then that led dust and the dust led to the robbery. There was no time to sing no more. So I was rabbit. You still holding two with them F?

[Mona]

I noticed that about your voice. Even the way you do an ad. Like the way you throw your voice. You're good at that.

[Joe Budden]

Amani calls me Go Anthony Scrambleton.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a solid joke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's my man. Let me get back to my list. 6. Sydney Sweeney, right?

[Imani]

What Sydney did, man.

[Joe Budden]

She appeared for childhood Variety. For Variety's power of Women of Los Angeles.

[Big Freeze]

Okay. Women of Los.

[Joe Budden]

It's a ceremony that they help to. To celebrate powerful women in la.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

And Sydney Sweeney showed up in a gray number that took the world by storm. It was. It was the world. It was America's appreciation for white titties.

[Imani]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She wore a see through dress.

[Big Freeze]

It was the new JLO dress.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not sure it was see through, but it was just form fitting. It was titties out.

[Imani]

Oh, titties are out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

It was nipples more than titties.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, if the whole shape of the titty is out.

[Big Freeze]

No, that's titty.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't titty. And nipple.

[Big Freeze]

That shit was poked out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she looked good.

[Mona]

Did y' all like it?

[Imani]

She looks good.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I'm liking it right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll tell you.

[Joe Budden]

Double T. Yes. Well, let's stay on. Who liked it first? Me. Me. Which is interesting, right? Because these little white girls that shape like white teenage boys. If they wear the right shit like. Cause other pictures of Sydney Sweeney. I didn't feel like that this night. Her body, it looked good in the dress. It did. I gotta give props.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're props for context. This is the girl we debated about before with the good jeans.

[Joe Budden]

This is the girl with the good jeans. And from American Indian, yada, yada.

[Imani]

So now you're saying she took that.

[Joe Budden]

She took that stock. Took it through the moon. The rage baiting worked. Black people were mad. But our response to this tells me that maybe we jumped a gun. The bitch maybe got good cheese.

[Imani]

I mean, listen, listen, man.

[Joe Budden]

Now we can continue to talk about Sydney Sweeney's titties. And I want to leave an ISO for ish who has an affinity for white titties different than the rest of.

[Big Freeze]

The U.S. i don't though.

[Joe Budden]

You with white titties don't do that.

[Big Freeze]

And I do too, if they. I'm not a titty guy.

[Joe Budden]

White, white, little perky titties.

[Big Freeze]

You like them titty guy.

[Joe Budden]

Joe, did you see her? The pictures?

[Big Freeze]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

Did you like it?

[Big Freeze]

It was nice.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz you ain't even really got to be a titty guy to appreciate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She's been naked.

[Imani]

She's been naked in TV shows and movies before. Guys.

[Joe Budden]

What? You look okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Flabbergasted. So.

[Joe Budden]

Because I don't like when he does this and I don't like when I employ him and he does this. This is what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

I'm posing a lot because you pay me.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I think, and I've said this before. The right set of titties attracts men that aren't titty men.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is a fact.

[Joe Budden]

I think that if you're just a man and you see the right set of titties.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Titties.

[Joe Budden]

You appreciate the titties.

[Big Freeze]

100 facts.

[Joe Budden]

So I think that's what you're saying about me. I'm not necessarily a titty man, but I appreciate a nice set of titties.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying that you are a titty man.

[Joe Budden]

Then I don't know where he gets that from. I've been an ass man my whole life. I like curves. I like.

[Big Freeze]

I like all of this, it don't been one or the other.

[Joe Budden]

You with all those curves and me without no bricks. Oh. Anyway, I can appreciate Sydney Sweeney's titties. Same. I think she looked great.

[Big Freeze]

Indeed she did.

[Joe Budden]

My Sydney Sweeney take is not about Sydney Sweeney.

[Imani]

It's about the advertising.

[Big Freeze]

I'm all ears.

[Imani]

Company well.

[Joe Budden]

They were honoring Sydney Sweeney and Jamie Lee Curtis. And Jamie Lee Curtis went viral recently for her ad for whatever movie that she was putting out where her cleavage was showing. Do y' all remember that?

[Imani]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So it was a moment having Sydney Sweeney, who had the biggest viral moment and changed the stock of that jean company and Jamie Lee Curtis at the same time. Wasn't it the cap. I did go Google if Jamie Lee Curtis was married to a man. And she is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

She also has children. So let's say that. And I just said that I'm not with pulling people out of closets, because I'm not.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mona]

This dude is crazy.

[Big Freeze]

I had to look them up. I wasn't particular. No. The ad. I didn't. I don't. Wasn't familiar.

[Joe Budden]

How do I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to watch this.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I'm saying to you is I saw Jamie Lee Curtis when she greeted Sydney Sweeney on the carpet. And I saw the grab as a man, I always watched the hand during the picture and the cuff and the tightness. And Jamie Lee Curtis had it down to a science.

[Big Freeze]

She might have did it before.

[Joe Budden]

And then when Sydney Sweeney was trying to go Jamie Lee Curtis, she did the linger. So she looked back like, text me, girl. So I was like, I think Jamie Lee Curtis wanna eat Sydney swing. That's fucked up to say.

[Imani]

I mean, is it?

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, shit, sometimes when you feel in a certain way as a dude, you can spot the girl that feel the same way you feel. Yeah. Also, while I can appreciate a good set of white titties and nipples rack, I am a chocolate milk guy. So Tiana happened to also be dressed for the time 100 people some shit that she was being celebrated for. Okay. And she had on a blazer. Not no see through shit. It was taped to yada, yada, yada. I was like, God damn, Tiana looks amazing. Her body is her body. You already know. You already know Tiana friend show. I'm not looking at it like that, but Tiana is that for me. So to get this, like, dose of Tiana and Sydney Sweeney, it's gotta feel like when Oreo double stuff put out the. Put out the chocolate and the white cream.

[Imani]

You say it's a good week for titties.

[Joe Budden]

Pushed it together. This is a great week for titties. Why am I the only one talking about this? Make some noise. Applaud for titties, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, there were some people booing those.

[Imani]

Titties whose titties no one should ever boo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

C. Sweetie, they weren't booing the titties, per se. They were booing that we could see the tit. I said, megan Kelly, sit down. It's important. No, I'll tell you why Megan Kelly.

[Big Freeze]

Didn'T boo the titties.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She didn't boo the titties. She booed the showing of the tit. What she said is, she said Sydney was on the red carpet on Wednesday and she decided to show off her number one asset, which, contrary to the American Eagle Jeans ass, is not really her jeans. It's her enormous breasts.

[Joe Budden]

What is it? That is.

[Imani]

I mean, that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She said. Now, she did say the breasts were.

[Joe Budden]

Spectacular, which are not really enormous either.

[Imani]

No, they're just nice because this would.

[Joe Budden]

Be looked at differently if they were enormous, right?

[Big Freeze]

It's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She said. And she said they were spectacular, but.

[Joe Budden]

She also said today they're enormous.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I object to this. I disapprove of the dress because it's completely see through. You can see her entire nipples. She reminded me of Kim Kardashian. And then finally, she said that she draws the line at the areola being visible. So I'm raising this not so much because of what Megan said, but to ask, are there titty display rules?

[Joe Budden]

Well, there are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And did she cross the line to me?

[Big Freeze]

No, no, no. At society, she did.

[Imani]

That was artsy titties. Just because they're big doesn't mean that it's not artsy.

[Joe Budden]

But is the Arola natural?

[Big Freeze]

Even if they were small back in the day, you don't show the areola. They put that thing on it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the best. Is the areola the rule still?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mona]

I've always been against women having to cover their nipples. I think it's stupid, personally. I mean, y' all show y' all nipples. What's the big deal? I feel like it's. You're right. Like, if you want to show them, you show them. As far as when you talk about red carpet events, it's like, to be honest, a part of your brand, your whole team works. What you going to wear on the carpet? You're supposed to break the Internet. So if I'm doing that with a little titty, unless it's not allowed to the point somebody's going to come and say, hey, you need to cover that up or leave. It's a safe. It's a go for me.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with Mona.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you have red carpet titties and you decide to showcase them in that way, it's worked every time. It's worked when Lil Kim did it, it's worked when Jay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody did it.

[Joe Budden]

It's worked when Marilyn Monroe. Like, there's too many women that have done it in a tasteful, classy way. And I think a large part of that depends on where you're going for these types of ceremonies. If you go into Stafford, if you're going to Harbor.

[Mona]

Yeah. Now, if I go see through, they might walk me out.

[Imani]

I thought you're gonna say where the nipples point, but, you know, nah, you.

[Joe Budden]

Got to go with the see through fupa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah.

[Mona]

That's what I'm saying. If I go see through fupa long titty, they gonna actually leave.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. The rat.

[Mona]

Imagine it's gonna be a nicer group of. That's like, I love natural mother Africa titties. But for the most part, they gonna say, go. Those cities look good. They nice and cleaned up. And she is. Sydney Sweeney, because of that big thing with American Eagle, is waiting for her to be like, what's she gonna do on the carpet?

[Joe Budden]

You know, women know when they got titties that could go in that outfit, and when they don't and they should be allowed to police themselves, like, do what you want. If you think your titties gonna look good in that dress, then by all means, please have at it.

[Mona]

Anytime I've ever wanted to go see through, I did it cuz I wanted to. Like, it didn't really matter what the event was.

[Imani]

Also, again, both Jamie Lee Curtis and Sydney Sweeney have done a lot of nude scenes. So this isn't like the most.

[Mona]

That's a good point too.

[Imani]

Like, this is regular. Yeah.

[Mona]

And they're just titties.

[Joe Budden]

Titties is dope. Y' all doing this. Titties is dope. He about to tell on himself that.

[Mona]

He a titty man. For real.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not a titty man. I'm a man. You took your hood who can appreciate great tit. When Kanye wife was running around. That's his wife. So with respect. Was his wife. So. So, with respect. And after I said all of my horrible about him and how they looked running around, I did get to. She got a nice set of titties.

[Mona]

She do.

[Joe Budden]

She had a nice titties I think there's nothing. There's nothing. If you appreciate that, there's nothing that you could say besides nice tit. Those are nice. Nice. Those are. Those are nice. You did that. Those are nice.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So she turned that upside down. I done saved way too many Sydney Sweeney pictures in my phone. I didn't like too many. I done found her on Instagram. Then she went to the Dodgers game, put the glizzy to her mouth. Oh, then she went to the Dodgers game, put the glitz. My type of white right there. What the are y' all talking about? But the double glizzy with a home girl or some white sign. You know, white bitch get freaky on the night time at the Dodge game. Yeah, I ain't gonna allow nobody to talk that about Sydney Sweeney. Let me pull up this Dodger picture so y' all can see what I'm talking about.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not hating on her titties or her at all.

[Imani]

One of the best young ass.

[Joe Budden]

Look, look, look.

[Mona]

She's totally like, look.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Messy white head. She's a messy white head. What are y' all talking about with the glizzy, right?

[Mona]

She licked the top of it like.

[Joe Budden]

She know what the she's doing. Shout out to Sydney. Sweet. I could tell when a white girl's my type of white girl. I don't care what y' all talking about. I done been in enough spaces I'm about to shout them out. But I'm involved. I can tell. I can tell the white girl I want to party with when I get to August. I go right to it. It's a party. It's a party. It's a party.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's a party. It's a party. White girl ways that I got my white girl playlist Mad Miley, are you crazy? Yes. Yes. And Molly. Miley and Molly. Sure.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Miley and Molly. You got a nice set of little perky white titties. And I got money. Is you talking about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

We're going to the after variety party. Are you wearing that? I might wear my see through shit. That's how we feeling. I might give him my lo place.

[Big Freeze]

She got some other. You talking about some other for that after party?

[Joe Budden]

It's a party. It's a party. It's a party. Yeah. I might play Lil John. You know the freaky white like on that. You don't know they like it. They like that get crunk in this. Hey, whisper where you see my dick? What? That song is made for Sydney Sweeney. Little white titties where you see this black dick? The fuck are y' all talking about here? Everybody in here know when they catch the vibe with the little fly white freaky joint. Give it to me, babe. Rick James on Halloween. That's where we pop these white bitches. This. Why do you work here if you can't shine Halloween night. Y' all know that's when we pop these types of. I'm lying. It's a good night for money. Tell me I'm lying.

[Big Freeze]

Halloween and New Year's.

[Joe Budden]

New Year.

[Big Freeze]

New Year's Eve.

[Imani]

That's a good. It's a good night for white girls.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it is. We bar hopping on look over there. Well, unsuspecting.

[Big Freeze]

She don't even know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we there. Hey, yo, and the that do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This.

[Joe Budden]

Are you crazy?

[Mona]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

Where you think white girl wasted came from? In the corner with the perky titties by herself. Her ride left. She telling strangers.

[Mona]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My ride left.

[Joe Budden]

I am stranded. That's where is pull a van up on these hors.

[Big Freeze]

A lot back on.

[Joe Budden]

I got this crib in I'm trying to to refurbish. You can stay over there for. All I want to do is see them little perky white titties. I ain't going to do that to you.

[Big Freeze]

That sound crazy. That sound nuts, man.

[Joe Budden]

My bad. Perky white titties.

[Mona]

You crazy. This is insane.

[Joe Budden]

Really got you turned up.

[Big Freeze]

Hello.

[Joe Budden]

White titties.

[Big Freeze]

Hello.

[Joe Budden]

And they wear them shirts the I'm talking about. They looked at this city sweetie shirt like another Wednesday. I'm talking about wear that. They going right to Urban Outfitters where the sheep they go to skims. You is going outside in lingerie with pants with jeans. What are you talking about? Them ain't shirts. These is wearing.

[Imani]

No.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Imani]

You're not wrong.

[Mona]

Get this.

[Joe Budden]

Are you right?

[Mona]

He all worked up. Give up paper towels Juice. God damn.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I'm titty guy.

[Big Freeze]

Maybe.

[Imani]

Joey, baby, look what titties can do for the world. Man. Titties can solve all the world's problems.

[Big Freeze]

I think he's got them turned up.

[Joe Budden]

This guy's nuts. You got to see me during sex. I close my eyes just to keep opening up and seeing titties. I be like this on the bottom. What I'm making shape the new Es. Are you crazy? When you close your eyes and you open them again. Big ass cups in your like a child. I'm a kid with them. The are you talking about, huh? What's wrong with you? So stupid.

[Mona]

What's happening?

[Imani]

Wait till the educated community gets a whole.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been thinking for the last five minutes.

[Joe Budden]

It's over for.

[Big Freeze]

They got Mark up there talking about titties.

[Imani]

White titties at that, right?

[Mona]

But after, like, why do you. Why do you think I'm a titty man, right?

[Joe Budden]

Why would I be talking about this all the. That bought Kanye first and turned to drunken hot white girls. Know what I'm saying?

[Big Freeze]

Third album.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Stand still Still still applies. Well, the first album was that workout.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That word got down. Who do you think that was for?

[Imani]

Big titty white girl.

[Big Freeze]

Well, she said in the song, I'm from Mobile, Alab.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly, Exactly. All right, take it away. I'm done.

[Big Freeze]

I bought a double.

[Imani]

We might have did it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think we did it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's no top in that.

[Big Freeze]

That was.

[Mona]

How can we go behind that?

[Joe Budden]

Go out on the high note.

[Big Freeze]

That was. That was a Sydney sweet. Sydney sweet her titties.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did not see that coming.

[Imani]

Not at all.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just asked why Sydney Sweeney was on the board. God damn it.

[Joe Budden]

Got a classic.

[Big Freeze]

He showed you?

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen. Shit's look all right.

[Big Freeze]

No, there's some good titties.

[Imani]

Yeah, some good titties. Got to go see. You got to go see. Euphoria now. She was in it. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, and I fix a. Fix a business combo. You said you wanted to move it to an artist.

[Joe Budden]

I'm out of breath, so you.

[Big Freeze]

All right, I'll.

[Joe Budden]

I'll.

[Big Freeze]

I'll take one for me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you should be.

[Big Freeze]

Titties got you done. And our fix a business combo. Joe was talking about moving it to an artist. Todd Dolla Sign's first week numbers came out, and they were really, really, really, really low.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Big Freeze]

For him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, how low? How low? We talking?

[Big Freeze]

7.9, 8,000, right? Yeah, 8,000.

[Imani]

Call it eight.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, 8,000. Yeah, 8,000. First week, and we trying to find out what's, like, what's the problem?

[Imani]

Marketing. I had no idea that album came out till a week later.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the thing I keep running into with these artists that have low weeks. Like when Tyler came out, other people, it's like, oh, wait, there was an album. Oh, wait, there's. You know, there's just no marking for some of these acts, and I think they're riding on their name and thinking that people are just gonna do it.

[Imani]

Relying too much on Instagram. And Instagram, if you look at most people's analytics that I've talked To at least is very fucking low, let alone click through rate on the people that actually see your shit. Like, you can't just post something on Instagram and people are gonna go run out and buy the album.

[Big Freeze]

You know what I think it is, too. A lot of them are used to the label doing more.

[Imani]

That's true, too.

[Big Freeze]

Like now with the labels being in disarray, all this that's going on, the artist is thinking, yo, I do my usual one, too. I post here. I do whatever. Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

And y' all take care of the rest. The world knows my album's coming. I Damn near thought Ty$sign dropped on it as an independent. I had to check to make sure this was still a link.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[Imani]

Oh, it was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Imani]

Oh, wow.

[Big Freeze]

There's been no sing. Well, no, there was a single. I'm sorry there. But there's been.

[Joe Budden]

You haven't even seen him, right? Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

When your album is coming out, you got to get outside and do something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to be visible. Yeah.

[Imani]

You got to go sit down with some pods, tell some stories, do some. Anything. Literally anything. Literally anything.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, not. Not just to take it off him. You got to actually work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Y' all fixing them? No.

[Big Freeze]

So. So the fix. I always said Tadala San was known more for his features than his albums. Anyway, I. I caught hell up here for that.

[Imani]

That first album was a classic. Damn near to me, though.

[Joe Budden]

Still.

[Imani]

Free tc? Is that what it was?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. Yeah. Free TC was still. I. I just have him more as a feature artist. As far as fixing him, I think standing next to Kanye like that hurt.

[Imani]

Hurt, probably.

[Big Freeze]

So in terms of the fix you got, you got to walk back some, bro.

[Imani]

Oh, he's. He's publicly said that. He didn't with Kanye for saying certain.

[Big Freeze]

No, he said, I don't. With hate speech.

[Imani]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Big tie, dollar sign. One writers is a reason why we enjoy him on these features more than we enjoy him on his own song songs. Those songs have writers he getting in the studio, probably just writing his own, going off his own vibe.

[Big Freeze]

You don't think he wrote no A R's feature?

[Joe Budden]

I think I could. I think it sounds like there's no A R on his project.

[Big Freeze]

It sounds like there's no nothing on this project.

[Joe Budden]

It sounds like these are leftover joints from him and Kanye. And I'm a TY$FAN.

[Mona]

So it did that then. It deserved to do that, Right?

[Joe Budden]

I know, but we want to fix some because we know he's talented. We know his brand is there. We know people like him, he has the appeal, but when it comes to his solo music, it's just not hidden like his features writers. Number one for me. Number two, he's an EDM act for the rest of his career. I'm taking him away from you. That's where the money is. I'm putting him with Calvin Harris.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's interesting.

[Joe Budden]

I'm putting him with some of the big techno DJs that could repurpose his old joints. I just heard a. A new EDM version of Rihanna. Kiss it better. Rihanna who ain't seen a studio in 20 years and it sounded all the way fire. I'm putting Ty Dollar in that mix. He's one of the only people that could do that have a presence. They love hip hop. I'm doing that for sure. I'mma be more consistent if I'm ty$sign. All of this at one album every five years. That's not going to cut it. That's not going to help you cut through all the noise. What else?

[Big Freeze]

I'm going outside. Outside if I'm tied.

[Joe Budden]

Dollar Sign, he's been outside.

[Big Freeze]

No, I mean he don't be talking.

[Joe Budden]

These just be outside.

[Big Freeze]

When I say outside, I mean popping up, talking. I'm being visible. You're gonna hear from me. Not just music. You're gonna. I want to sit down and do interviews. I gotta put. Put something that the people could gravitate.

[Imani]

To or if you don't want to back to the Daniel Caesar Armani argument. Go just be an amazing. Because he can play. He can play bass guitar, you play instruments. Andy Kazing. Go do that somewhere. And the millions of platforms where they let you do it.

[Joe Budden]

Ty$. I agree.

[Imani]

Or just outside.

[Joe Budden]

He need to hit the grassroots. Go do the in the Porch series. Yeah. One.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Go do the. In the Cadillac series.

[Big Freeze]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Go do the homegrown grassroots. That's helping people connect to their audience. Tadala I think is just used to major label, big budget feature, Pay me big video. And then you're gonna connect. Connect with the vibes. I think we're past that time. That time is done now. So you have to actually go out and show people why they should with your brand. And it starts and ends with you, not your team.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Budden]

I wish Ty$. Nothing but the best.

[Big Freeze]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

Of course I was disappointed in those numbers when they came back, but I was also halfway disappointed in the album as a huge TY$sign fan. So I hope he gets it together. I hope we don't have to wait until another six and seven years. To hear him. And he has all my. Him not even coming up here. He was supposed to come up here. He canceled the. He went around. I know I say this all the time, but we. Us, right? We. We are. We are us. We are y'. All. Y' all are us. Come up here and talk to.

[Big Freeze]

Talk to your people.

[Joe Budden]

Don't let me just monopolize this audience on some self center. Come up here and use it, please.

[Mona]

Maybe do some streams with the streaming people, like Slash through the Streets.

[Joe Budden]

They tired of saying that. On the fix of business with Playboy Max.

[Big Freeze]

I. I don't. I don't want that anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Kaya fixed it for you.

[Big Freeze]

I don't want them doing that.

[Joe Budden]

They. They sick of us saying that in.

[Big Freeze]

The fix the business segment.

[Joe Budden]

We just said it four times. We got to actually fix some. I don't know if you GoPro call K. You got to get your GoPro with Playboy Max and the streamers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bad plan, though. But I'm with you. We can't. They can't be.

[Joe Budden]

It can't be the. The band.

[Big Freeze]

That's a band Aid.

[Imani]

But that also could be the same kind of things that we're looking at now. We were just talking about with like Instagram and all these other things that are back to the Billboard charts, all that where how much interaction really comes from that.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good point.

[Joe Budden]

My. Do y' all care about BMF canceling? Getting canceled after four seasons?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Little surprise.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like this was enough to nothing Burger. And everybody knew this was going to happen. If you followed the 50 cent.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Meech. That's what it felt like. This is just.

[Joe Budden]

This is over. It should have been. Watched the show.

[Big Freeze]

You kind of wanted BMF together. Come on, dog. I've been coming in here telling y' all like, all right, enough and does anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Lastly, I'll save whatever else I have for Patreon. Lastly, does anyone here care about Trump beginning to test nuclear weapons?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I care.

[Joe Budden]

Whoa, whoa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I say no in the sense that there's no surprise. And the US Is always testing nuclear weapons, even when they don't tell you they're testing nuclear weapons. So him say that them saying that the testing nuclear weapons signals something. But I think a lot of time it's a power flex and that's.

[Joe Budden]

You see a lot of.

[Imani]

I think that's all Trump be doing is be up there like, yo, put a press release about something that's been happening or I'm already doing and make it look like I'm doing Some.

[Big Freeze]

And. And to.

[Joe Budden]

That's scared. That then is scary to me.

[Big Freeze]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's us, the US Testing nuclear weapons. I'm at peace with Trump testing. I don't feel the same. I don't think it's the same thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel you. I feel. And I get why I think he's been tested.

[Joe Budden]

But we're not. We're not. We're last to that party.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We're last to that party.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. I don't feel any more unsafe than I did last week or last year. Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Big Freeze]

I just think he talks about the behind the curtain like he just. He don't give a fuck. I'm just going to tell it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Which is why a lot of people.

[Imani]

Didn'T want him when it makes him look.

[Big Freeze]

Of course, of course, of course. But I'm just saying a lot of. Where a lot of other presidents were doing that just we, we don't like the blowback from it.

[Imani]

I'm not sure that anybody wasn't testing nuclear weapons in this country.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They always are. But some, some presidents and we saw this in North Korea with Kim Jong Il and then eventually Kim Jong Un is. Sometimes they do nuclear. They do displays of weapons, of weapons testing as a way of showing look how powerful we are, look how mighty we are. We're still in control. Still got my hand on the wheel and I think that's what Trump is doing. He's taking a page out of the fascist or the despot leader book, which he is. So it makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Before we go, Mark, we got one week left in the New York mayoral race.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, less than that.

[Joe Budden]

I know you've been glued to this the way I've been glued to it. I'm still indeed glued to it. Along with this. That Trenton governor that got you in the chokehold.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Them commercials.

[Joe Budden]

I'm finally seeing the other side's commercials. Right. Like I've seen nothing but Jack Chitterelli is a this week. I've seen the woman that he's running up against and what he's saying against her. Jack, Chell, you done, buddy?

[Big Freeze]

Mikey Sher home girl.

[Joe Budden]

You familiar with her? He tried to say some compelling but it didn't work. It didn't work. Trenton. If you listen out there as. As a New Jersey resident for most of my life with the key to mad New Jersey cities. I'm not voting Jack Cittarelli fuck out of here. But the New York shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some uneducated takes for Me getting spicy.

[Joe Budden]

Uneducated takes for me. Eric Adams, you like a sucker standing behind Cuomo. You do. He looks so soft back there because of his. Because I heard him. The bravado. I heard what he was saying. But Eric Adams do look like he's having private calls with Trump and being kind of. He looks like that. He gonna be uneducated political opinion. It looks like that. So you look nuts back there. Eric Adams. What else, what else, what else? I'm still laughing at the Curtis Lewa commercials.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, classic.

[Joe Budden]

But it appears that mom dimension is gonna. If we're going by the looks of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It, it's a done deal. I mean, it looks that way. Yeah, it's been a done deal. But then there was this moment where people worried that the Adams withdrawal could lead to enough votes. But Curtis Leewa didn't pull out, which honestly means that Republicans are gonna vote Republican. It's hard to get people registered Republican in New York to vote independent. They're Republican for a reason.

[Joe Budden]

Do you think it makes a difference if Sleewa drops out or if he dropped out?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If he had dropped out at the exact that moment that they wanted him to, which was when Adams did, it would have been a competitive race. Because then what would happen is those numbers don't add up to Mamdani's. But what does when you start to see people say, oh wait, you can win. Oh, we'll dump more money into your campaign. Oh, there'll be bigger ads. They'll take more risks. They're not taking no risks on Cuomo. Cause it's too big of a.

[Joe Budden]

Well, bigger ads historically have meant bigger turnout. Right. This race, again, my very owneducation opinion seems to come down to. And even just watching the commercials and some of the debates, I think New York is just too expensive for people to not go mom, dummy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's right.

[Joe Budden]

See, I think New York just costs too much. So his message of hope and the time that it comes at versus what Trump is trying to do with blue states versus red states, I think it's just a perfect gumbo right now.

[Big Freeze]

I think. I think New York New Yorker's gonna surprise people. I think that Cuomo has a bigger dog in this fight than people think. And I think that whether the Republicans gonna come forward and say they rocking with Curtis Levo, I don't think majority of the Republicans will vote for him. I think majority of the Republicans are looking to vote for Cuomo. And they can mask it however they see fit. But only you in the booth when you go vote.

[Joe Budden]

What do you say to the people that say that the New York we're seeing is Cuomo is New York.

[Big Freeze]

Currently?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

I think they're wrong. I think this is Eric Adams. This is New York. I don't think this is Cuomo's new.

[Imani]

But these prices and the main things that are in contest.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Have been here since Cuomo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was before.

[Big Freeze]

Been here before Cuomo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

True.

[Big Freeze]

This ain't a Cuomo thing. Cuomo didn't do this to New York City. New York City has been ridiculously expensive.

[Joe Budden]

When did Cuomo take office in New York? Because I don't know that. That to be true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

True.

[Joe Budden]

When did. When did he get there?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When he was governor. He became governor.

[Big Freeze]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody just Google it quick.

[Big Freeze]

But New York has been expensive since.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When is it.

[Joe Budden]

When do you feel like you can pinpoint that turn? And I don't want to regionalize us out.

[Big Freeze]

I. I'm telling you that since we were children, New York has been highly.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but I think that's the point. I think. I think Ish is right, but I think that's the point is that Cuomo.

[Big Freeze]

Is the status quo 2011. And I think that. And I think that this is why.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So, yeah, I disagree that.

[Big Freeze]

Look, this is what I don't like in politics. I don't like in politics where people start quoting shit, and this is what Trump did. I don't like in politics where people just start saying the correct shit to say, but they can't physically do the shit. Donald Trump went on TV and told everybody, y' all fucked up, y' all poor, y' all broke. I'm empathizing with y', all, and I can change it and he can't. And I think this is what homeboy's doing. I think homeboy's saying some of the same shit I think he's saying, yo, I'm gonna give the buses for free, and I'm gonna do all. You cannot do that. And I think you promising people shit that you can't do and you playing on people's desperation, and I think that shit is whack when politicians do it. I don't give a fuck what side of the aisle they're on. And we calling it out for Trump lying a saying, I'm gonna make groceries cheaper, and I'm gonna make housing cheaper, and I'm gonna make all of these things cheaper. He can't do that. He don't possess the ability to do that. I think that homeboy don't possess the ability to do some of the shit that he's saying he gonna do.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Big Freeze]

And I think that that's whack.

[Joe Budden]

I think that that's true. At the same time, I also don't think that New York was this way in 2011. And I'm saying this as someone that is not so politically inclined, just as someone living out here, you can see where there's not a home for middle class people in New York more, more evident than ever before. To me. I think that's been a topic on this podcast for a little while as a podcast at Ain't into politics, dog.

[Big Freeze]

It was like 2011.

[Joe Budden]

Oh yeah.

[Big Freeze]

We just got more money now, so we looking at more shit now. I've been in the real estate game since 2003. New York has been highest giraffe pussy back then.

[Joe Budden]

But we're not talking about real estate.

[Big Freeze]

I'm talking about but cost of living. The major expenditure that most people have is rent or mortgage. So that's everybody's biggest bill across the board.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Big Freeze]

So if your rent in New York City in 2011 was $3,500 or $3,000 dollars, my. The cost of living is high as that's just wham. That's just number one cost of rent. And that's most people's biggest bill. So you can't say that it wasn't as high. Maybe in the last few years it's gotten the, the gap between rich and poor. It's got growing a lot. But that's not just because of New York. That's because of jobs.

[Imani]

Everything is worse.

[Big Freeze]

That's because of technology, that's because of outsourcing and all of that.

[Joe Budden]

On his real estate conversation, everything is works.

[Imani]

But as someone who lives in New York, who's apartment shopped in the last apartment shop all the time, really crazy. It's much more expensive than it used to be. That being said, everything is much more expensive than it used to be.

[Big Freeze]

So that's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I, yeah, that's for sure. I, I think Mumdani has some things within his power, some things he can't. But I think having a vision, a progressive vision for what the city could look like is in it what he's. Yeah, yeah. I think that means I think people need hope, I think people need plans.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Actionable plan. I think making buses free is possible. He didn't say he's gonna make all the public transportation free, but buses I think you can make free when you look at his plan, I think it seems doable.

[Big Freeze]

So when you make buses free and then they lay off mad MTA workers because they not being as profitable as the MTA once was, and then we gonna bitch at that like, yo, dawg, I just think that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's not what he's. That's not what. That's not.

[Big Freeze]

I'm just giving you an example.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's not an example. This is a real thing. That's what I'm saying. What point. What part of his plan do you find unworkable?

[Big Freeze]

I don't think that he could possibly make the buses free in the city.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, how's he proposing to do it?

[Big Freeze]

I don't know. I don't know the ins and outs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know he can't do it. That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like he's given reasons. He said, I mean, I don't mean to cut you off.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Big Freeze]

I think that what you are gonna propose is gonna have kickbacks. And I think when you propose these things again to whatever politic. Bro, I'm a realist, number one. And then I think finances play a part in everything. And so I think when you start doing. Taking money from here, the money gotta come from someone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And where's he proposing to take it from?

[Big Freeze]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then how? Okay. I would only say, respectfully, that we should at least look at the plan before we say it can't happen. We should at least see what he's asking, because where he's saying to take it from. And you might still disagree, but I just think it's better to know his plan before we say the plan can't work. That seems fair. True. He's saying that raising corporate tax, taxes, he's saying more aggressively collecting unpaid bills from elites, particularly like water bills and things like that. So he's not saying take from this public source that's getting funded and put it over there. He's saying there's money that's not being collected that could be more aggressively collected. And he's saying that there are people who aren't paying their fair share at the highest levels. Now, I'm not saying there's not a consequence to anything. Every action has a reaction. But I do think at least the financial experts. I'm not a financial expert, so I can't say, but the economists that I know who've looked at and the financial experts are not, I know who've looked at it have said that this is a workable Plan, buddy.

[Joe Budden]

There could be a large. A large portion of people that think that his ideas are not doable and sound preposterous. There's a lot of people that just like someone with new ideas. True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that.

[Big Freeze]

I. E. Donald Trump.

[Joe Budden]

Cuomo just keeps saying he never had a job, he never had a girl, he don't have experience. He don't. And that I dash. I just don't think it's enough for savvy New Yorkers.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but when you start talking about the corporate. The corporate. We're gonna make the corporate corporations pay more taxes. Everybody in this room, I hope, knows that corporation pay no taxes. So unless you're gonna go restructure the entire tax system.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he's proposing. He's saying raising the corporate tax rate.

[Imani]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Big Freeze]

And the powers that be are not gonna.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Big Freeze]

We going off on a tangent.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's not. That's exactly your point.

[Big Freeze]

Is the powers that that be run New York, not him. The powers that be run the United States of America, not him. The powers that be run the world, not him or these smaller people that have these huge, monstrous ideas. And so when the heartbeat of New York is corporate America, and so now when you start beating up the heartbeat of New York, it's going to be pushback. And I don't think that he's going to be able to deliver on that, is what I'm saying. If he does, he does. I just don't. I think it's a farce.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't go that far, but to call it a farce. But I do think that his overall agenda is a progressive one, and some of it can be enacted. You used the Trump example. Trump wasn't able to build a wall.

[Big Freeze]

I know Trump told the niggas in West Virginia he was gonna bring coal back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, but hear what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

They voted for him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but hear what I'm saying. But the person who wanted Trump to build a wall had a certain vision of what the world should look like, and that vision is being enacted in politics. So maybe, like, only half of what they want that he promised or even 25% of what he promised is there, but it's still moving in a different direction. The country's still moving in the direction that they want now. And I'm saying similarly with Mamdani. Let's say he doesn't make buses free, but public transportation gets cut in half. Let's say we don't lower the price of rent, but rent control gets stabilized in more places. This is still a different direction. And I think for a lot of people it's not just I'm saying the shit you want to hear, which I agree would be empty, but I'm saying, saying he's actually moving us in a different direction and that's helpful.

[Big Freeze]

I agree with you on the Trump point, but it's two faceted. So the Trump point where he appeals to the idea of these elitists or these racists or whatever, that is definitely moving in the right direction. But he also appealed to the desperation of the American people and he has not delivered on that. And a lot of people voted for him based on that particular thing. The people with the wall and the ice, they did he doing what they want him to do. But over here, these motherfuckers that he appealed to, them saying, yo, I'm a fix groceries. He has not done a fucking thing. I'm a lower gas. He has not done a fucking thing. I'm a bring jobs back to America. He has not done a fucking thing. And those are the things that got him elected to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? And what I'm saying is what Mum? Dani? And that's because some of those things to your point are outside of Trump's control. Right. The things as a mayor of a city that he's proposing I think are much more actionable. If Mamdani were running for governor or president with the same proposals, I'd say, well, no, this isn't doable. But mayors have been able to affect rent. Mayors are able to affect roads and they are able to affect housing. And I think that this is an opportunity. But we'll obviously see because I think he's gonna win and we'll find out. But I think his policies are at least doable. I don't think he's selling pie in the sky in a great buy and buy.

[Big Freeze]

Cause this is New York. This ain't my fucking. This ain't a regular city.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you know, a lot of them rich New Yorkers, they wanted their shit to count in of front Florida, so they doing it 50. And for tax reasons. A lot of the most influential New Yorkers, they're not voting in New York, they're voting in Florida. So that's also a really important thing to think about in terms of who's going to make this thing happen. But anyway, we'll find out.

[Joe Budden]

In closing, do you see Cuomo winning?

[Big Freeze]

No, I think, I just think it's going to be tighter Than what people think. I think Curtis Lewa is a joke to most of the New Yorkers. I don't think he has the Republican vote. I think Cuomo has the Republican vote.

[Joe Budden]

And Malcolm. You think Malcolm? Yeah, that is Malcolm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think. I think Leewa gets the majority, the Republican vote. I don't. I don't see any way where he does it.

[Joe Budden]

Who do you see winning?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

About 60.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Got it.

[Big Freeze]

Especially if Sleep will gets the Republican vote. He gonna wipe the board with everybody else across the. Across the thing. We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

Sleep will keep posting pictures of him from 84. Dog. It's over here. Okay. Nothing about that little Hell Angels hat you keep wearing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Guardian Angels.

[Big Freeze]

Guardian.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, don't disrespect the Hell's Angels.

[Big Freeze]

Today.

[Joe Budden]

These little are Hell's Angels. Guardian Angels. Victoria's Angels.

[Big Freeze]

Show you some angels.

[Joe Budden]

California Angels. Yeah, yeah. All. All of the Angels. Really good pod today. ICE. Before we leave, Disney pulls from YouTube all of their. Which is FX. National Geographic TV from YouTube TV, from YouTube TV. From channels. Yes. Close. Close us out.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I got the email actually last night because I. I actually subscribed to YouTube TV. Oh, you got it too?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, you don't.

[Imani]

I've had it on and off.

[Joe Budden]

You don't have YouTube TV. Ish. Go ahead, freeze.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, they just said they couldn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They had nothing. He like, I got run the water.

[Big Freeze]

Like, run the water. And then they say, yo, he always competing with Joe.

[Joe Budden]

We want to be like Joe. Okay, that's a good one. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

They just. They say they couldn't come to terms. And what's happening is. What happened? What's happening is ESPN has their own app. I want you to come here. So I'm going to charge you out the ass to go over there, you know, to license it to y'.

[Mona]

All.

[Big Freeze]

I'm going to put an astronomical number. Yeah, yeah. The company's gonna say now, we're not gonna pay that. Okay, cool. We don't want you to pay that. Now, everybody that wants to watch all of that, bring it on over here. They've already consolidated their apps. They got a Disney, Hulu and ESPN in one hub now. So, yeah, I want. I want you to come here. Makes sense. Makes it. Makes all the sense in the world.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If you got YouTube TV, you can screw right now. You can't see your ABC affiliates, you can't watch sports. You can't do a lot of stuff. So I hope they. I think they're going to come to terms. Cause I think Disney got Them where they want them to. Your point? But until you got to. Y' all gonna miss. Y' all miss is the World Series. Can y' all see even see the World Series?

[Joe Budden]

I don't watch baseball.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't watch baseball.

[Joe Budden]

You don't care.

[Big Freeze]

But I have everything anyway.

[Joe Budden]

But, yo, Toronto, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Getting busy. They on the brink as of this conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't want to date this podcast, but they gotta show up tonight. The Dodgers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I've accepted that as a Philadelphia. And I hate the Toronto Blue Jays because. Because of what they did to us back in 93. I can't get over that Joe Carter home run.

[Joe Budden]

The entire league would be happy if the Blue Jays win.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I had to accept that because I can't. The Dodgers put us out.

[Joe Budden]

But I came in here the other day and said, are the Dodgers cheating? Like, the Dodgers were viewed as this powerhouse, unbeatable. Damn it. They swept us last year. Right? We won a game. Oh, we won a game. That's in my dad, too. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. If you do that to the Yankees on the biggest stage. Stage, it's bad for the parody of baseball. You want the team that doesn't have this. There's no salary cap in baseball.

[Big Freeze]

No.

[Joe Budden]

So you want the team that is built like a baseball team to beat the team that has spent 900 gazillion dollars.

[Big Freeze]

What about the super team?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Big Freeze]

That's all it is.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Big Freeze]

Anytime the super team makes it to the finals.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

That's such bullshit. Cause when New York was building the super team, ain't no New York could say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the rest of the people. The rest of the world did.

[Joe Budden]

The rest of the people, we were all pissed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

First, what happened when Boston built their own kind of super team, and then the Mets built their super team but didn't work. And then it was like, okay, no.

[Big Freeze]

The Yankees have been building one for 20 years.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what you're saying. What you're saying. What y' all saying is not fear. When the Yankees were doing this, when George Steinburner was alive, he was saying, I'm not doing anything that other teams cannot do. Right. Okay. Yeah. When he died, began bidding on players song. But which changes everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It does.

[Joe Budden]

But that's not just a salary cap. We've all got the same money. Which was a lie, too, because we all don't have the same about to say, you have your own channel. New York has more money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Always had more money. The Mets weren't even winning. And they had more money. Marcus just have more money.

[Joe Budden]

But today, when we're doing blind bids on superstar Japanese players and Dominican players, not just Japanese players.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Your money don't really matter at that point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And I hope we get back to the point where farm systems matter.

[Big Freeze]

How your money don't matter at that point. Yeah, I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

It's a blind. It's a blind bid. You rich, I'm rich. We could all do the same thing. You can't see nobody. You can't see nothing that nobody is doing.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But like, if you look at the blue.

[Joe Budden]

So if you want this guy, right, like this, this new Japanese prospect, I wish I could get his name right now, but I don't have it. Everybody's gonna bet the house because of what's going on. Like, we in the middle of something. But when homeboy went, the Red Sox was short by however many millions the Yankees were short for. And these are franchises in major cities that also have all the money in the world. We just not doing it. We can't see. We're not willing to go that far. So it's. How far are you willing to go? The Dodgers brought in new management. I mean, new ownership, fucking Magic and all these niggas, they're just going to operate differently. And they've seen a result of that.

[Big Freeze]

If I know my opponent got a lot, lot of bread, and I got a lot of bread, I'mma shoot for the moon. Put a number, even if you can afford. Also, what's not fair, not to interrupt you. Don't fuck with that.

[Joe Budden]

Also, what's not fair is when, when, when the bid for Otani was going, what was happening, what they were saying in baseball circles was, this is a done deal for the Dodgers already. Yeah, he's not willing to go to any other city. Japan is right there. He's closer to home. We in la, it's just. It's unfair on levels that have more to do with just money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm saying. I mean, I think every team has a. And if it were basketball, where 12, where you got 12 guys and one player can really kind of change the whole franchise. I think it's easier for the smaller market team to stay in the mix. But in a baseball team, I mean, first of all, rarely is the guy pitcher and an offensive player and a position player, Right? But even if they were, if you're Milwaukee, that's a good example. The brewers are an excellent baseball team. Well structured, great, great lineup. 1 through 10, 1 through 9, strong bullpen. But they ain't got the money that the Dodgers have. They don't have the money that the Yankees or the Mets have. They could bid for an Ohtani type player.

[Big Freeze]

It's a cap, but.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but it's an informal cap because then what you gonna do with the other positions as they age out? Whereas the Dodgers can have four of those. The Phillies, we got three guys, you know what I mean, that are making that. When we got Bryce Harper, we didn't blink.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The Yankees and Mets don't blink. I think that. I think. And we still looking at. To step up. So I still think you think there.

[Big Freeze]

Needs to be a salad cap in baseball.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I don't think so.

[Big Freeze]

So then you can't. About the unfairness. You either can have it one way or another.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all not responding. Listen, you're not just talking about the money.

[Big Freeze]

I know you're saying it's unfair stuff, but all of the unfairness that you based everything was on money.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not true.

[Big Freeze]

No, like, like, like you based it on LA being right there by Japan. That ain't LA fault.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Big Freeze]

Like certain n don't want to go to play for the, the Bucks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

They don't want to be in Milwaukee. They prefer refer to being bigger market. Larger markets. Yeah. Houston. I mean not Houston, Texas, Miami, Florida. They don't have state taxes. It's other things that go into where somebody wants to go to play.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you're making the point that can't be solved by salary cap.

[Big Freeze]

No, those things can't be solved by salary cap. But I'm saying for the, for the eons, y' all just said that New York based on demo has more money than smaller market teams.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd like to be creative about it.

[Joe Budden]

That demo we got, we got a channel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

And, and it's New York City. Y' all could. We could charge more for a ticket in New York City than we could charge for it in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't, I don't. I guess I don't want to cap players money as a solution to this. I don't know. I don't have a solution off top of my head of how to fix this. But I, I would imagine there's something other than a salary cap that we could think of that would allow at least these elite players to not keep going to the same three. Same three, three cities.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, you put a, you put a rule in play.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

I would Think I can't have no more than two?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the kind of thing about players.

[Big Freeze]

Or whatever you want to call.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. That would be a perfect example of how to do it. So we'll figure it out.

[Big Freeze]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't Lil Kim. Owner. I don't want dick tonight. Look at Mona. Hey, real good episode today. Real, real important.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The song was about anal sex.

[Joe Budden]

What you say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you ever thought this song was really about anal sex?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me either. Let's just carry on like that. Didn't happen.

[Joe Budden]

Big miss. I see why they got rid of that. That club that y' all going on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We turn our love around too much.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, sure. No. Hey, you really enjoyed the topic slay tonight. This was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is again.

[Joe Budden]

Happy Halloween to y' all out there. It goes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't you turn me down.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast cast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time, thank you. We bid you ado farewell. Adiosa riva duri Aa la vista Arois so long goodbye or simple head novels.

[Imani]

The fights a baseline. Got a little butt sex bop to it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is a butt sex song, y'.

[Imani]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can't pretend I'm crazy.

[Joe Budden]

No, the little. The little porno. What? Remember, remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. And the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Don't forget, don't forget.

[Big Freeze]

The clocks go back to night.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir. Daylight savings.

[Mona]

No, this is a good one because we get an hour.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, unless you got a three year old that's not gonna wake up.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. 5am we get. We get an extra hour. That's an extra hour in the strip club tonight. Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Big Freeze]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

What y' all doing this weekend? Since we talking about daylight savings. What y' all on? What y' all on? What y' all on out there?

[Imani]

I'm in Chicago.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Shout out to the shy. Shout out to the shots.

[Imani]

Quick stop in the shy.

[Big Freeze]

All right, all right. Halloween party.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

All right. This is gonna be shy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm traveling. I'll tell y' all later.

[Joe Budden]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Mona]

Demona, I'm getting paid to shake my ass to stand on the couch.

[Joe Budden]

Ready? Get ready. Ready? Let's get that screen record ready. I'm not doing too much, man. I'll be spending some time with my youngest. Might drop him off at around 11. Y' all hold it down, man. Hopefully, y' all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. Shout out to the parents out there. Shout out to the kids out there. Everybody that's dressed up for Halloween, shout out to Chef Kino and Chef Edith, chefing it up for us. Chefing it up for some Halloween feel.

[Big Freeze]

All right, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That. Round of applause.

[Mona]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

We'll fold that up right now. You. You've never heard of Joe, buddy.