Episode 877 | "What's For You Is For You"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 877 | "What's For You Is For You"

Release Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Joe Budden
Guests/Co-hosts: Flip, Ish, Mark Lamont Hill, Erickson, Tanner, and others

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers the signature blend of humor, debate, pop culture takes, and behind-the-scenes dynamics that have made the JBP a cultural staple. The crew returns for a chaotic but thoughtful discussion on accountability, career moves, financial literacy, pop culture news, and the meaning behind “what’s for you is for you.” Notable moments include candid group therapy about professionalism, a deep dive on the “meant for you” philosophy, sports, music industry dramas, and passionate tangents about aging, financial pitfalls, and pop legends.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

1. Opening ​& Flip’s “Performance Review”

• 00:00 – 09:00
• The podcast starts with classic banter as Flip and Joe recount a recent meeting—essentially, Flip’s “performance review”—with Joe and Ian (the business manager) about showing up, paying attention, and accountability on the pod.
• Notable Quote:
  “Whatever I say to you is from a place of love.” – Joe (03:20)
• Flip jokes about being called out for zoning out on his phone, highlighting their collaborative (and sometimes theatrical) approach to managing each other.

2. Team Chemistry & Life Updates

• 09:00 – 19:00
• The crew shares laughs about food, birthdays, heaters, and weekend adventures. Highlights: Erickson’s face in Times Square for Levi’s, Times Square “billboard dreams,” and tales of hangover recovery.
• Notable Quote:
  "When y’all shoot at me on air, I beat." – Joe (01:19)
• Notable Moment:
  The guys lampoon each other's fashion (“$150 pants” and “Army Navy store fatigue talk”).

3. Live Events & “Tonight’s Conversation”

• 19:00 – 29:00
• Discussion about the huge success of the “Tonight’s Conversation” live shows, featuring Mona and others, selling out the Javits Center, and musings on the business of live podcasting.
• Insight: Reflects on the rising value of independent, personality-driven touring shows.

4. “What’s For You Is For You” Philosophical Breakdown

• 29:00 – 36:00
• The hosts debate the personal responsibility and accountability beneath the phrase "what's meant for me is meant for me." Flip and Mark critique (and defend) the idea: Is it spiritual acceptance or an excuse for bad decisions?
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Sometimes you gotta stand in it... or the blessing might show itself later.” – Tanner (29:32)
  • “Some people use it as a crutch and as an excuse to not take accountability.” – Mark Lamont Hill (31:27)
• Joe talks about the realities of being “content” in the content business and public perception during career transitions.

5. Aging in the Spotlight & Celebrity Health

• 36:00 – 41:00
• The group shares somber laughs about seeing their favorite actors (Morgan Freeman, Bruce Willis, Tim Curry) age; reflections on privilege, health, and “making it” to 88.
• Notable Quote:
  “You think they have all this money that they could preserve or live longer…” – Flip (37:46)
• They joke about being “The Rolling Stones of podcasting” in seven years.

6. Max B’s Release & The Return Home After Prison

• 40:00 – 48:00
• Celebration of rapper Max B’s release after 16 years; discussion of adjusting to freedom (food, family, jewelry, music plans).
• Method Man’s new role as a Jets photographer is noted with amusement.
• Notable Quote:
  “You do 16 years, you do what the fuck you want.” – Joe (40:26)
• Passionate debate: What’s the first thing you’d do upon release – food, sex, home, or get “dripped out”?

7. Music Industry, The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and Salt-N-Pepa

• 51:30 – 59:45
• Deep dive into the 2025 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame: Outkast tribute mishaps (Doja Cat flubs Ms. Jackson lyrics; Tyler, the Creator praised), Salt-N-Pepa’s legal battles for their masters, and music industry exploitation.
• Notable Quote:
  “What a man, Shoop, Push It, all that—smash hits. And they can’t even get their streaming revenue!” – Joe (57:24)
• Mark and Ish break down the 35-year rule for regaining music rights.

8. Financial Illiteracy, Career Pitfalls, & Sebastian Telfair’s Documentary

• 87:20 – 103:10
• Sebastian Telfair’s tragic “back in the projects” documentary clip prompts a somber conversation about financial literacy, planning for a fall-off, and the traps of loyalty, lifestyle inflation, and economic disadvantage.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “If you can’t afford to buy it twice, don’t buy it once.” – Mark (95:30)
  • “You might got a $2,000 coat in your closet, but you still in the PJ’s.” – Tanner (102:13)
• Honest advice: The difference between owning and renting, and the illusion of “making it” without mindset change.

9. The 50-Year Mortgage Debate

• 103:10 – 107:59
• Ish provides a real estate primer as Trump proposes 50-year mortgages; crew agrees it’s a band-aid for a deeper housing affordability crisis.
• Notable Quote:
  “It’s a mask and some paint over a bigger problem.” – Ish (105:37)

10. Wrestling & Westside Gunn’s WWE Ejection

• 127:08 – 137:13
• Westside Gunn ejected from WWE after building his own wrestling brand, Fourth Rope, despite being a superfan. The guys dissect loyalty, “competition,” and WWE’s history of shutting out grassroots influence.
• Notable Quote:
  “You can’t start competition and then come here like you my comp.” – Ish (129:13)

11. Stephen A. Smith vs. Michelle Beadle & Commentary Culture

• 153:01 – 170:12
• Mark summarizes the ESPN drama as Michelle Beadle and Stephen A. Smith exchange jabs. Kerry Champion weighs in, prompting a nuanced debate about workplace politics, race, gender, pulling coworkers up privately vs. publicly, and the “company man” paradox at ESPN.
• Key Quotes:
  • "I pray for the downfall…I really…it’s going to be amazing." – Michelle Beadle (156:47)
  • “I haven't said a word about her EVER, because I don't know her.” – Stephen A. Smith (161:46)
  • “If you gonna pull me up in public and I just spoke to you…Why didn’t you say it to me on the phone?” – Tanner (168:09)

12. Final Topics: Summer Walker, Wale, & “Drake’s 4:44”

• 143:03 – 147:54 (Summer Walker Album Preview)
  • Review of Summer’s new album feature list (Tables 1–5), excitement for its drop, and sales projections.
• 193:15 – 197:31 (Drake “Fix This Business”)
  • A fan asks if the crew would want Drake’s version of 4:44 or a more grown, introspective album. The resounding answer: YES, but only if he’s truly ready for vulnerability and self-critique.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Some people use ‘what’s for me is for me’ to avoid accountability. It’s a crutch.” – Mark Lamont Hill (31:27)
• “Yo, it was a stretch where I was using strawberry banana Naked to chase a cigarette.” – Joe (179:00)
• “You might have a $2,000 coat in your closet, but you’re still in the PJ’s.” – Tanner (102:13)
• “If you can’t afford to buy it twice, don’t buy it once.” – Mark (95:30)
• “Give me three years…The media in New York is so powerful.” – Tanner on coaching in NY (78:09)
• "Sometimes the blessing comes later, you just gotta stand in it." – Flip (29:18)
• “Big up to Max B...16 years, you do whatever the fuck you want.” – Joe (40:22)
• “I paid my car off…and I’m just like, look at our mentality. When I was broke, I needed the new whatever. Now I’m like, this ‘21 still rides great.” – Joe (116:23)

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Tonal Highlights

• Unfiltered banter: Regular raunch, inside jokes, and “bullets” between friends.
• Honesty about struggles: Financial setback, emotional fallout, regret, and humility underscored advice in real estate, music, and personal life.
• Cultural critique: The team refuses to romanticize struggle but also acknowledges how easy it is (for anyone) to fall off, and how hard it is to actually change.
• Pop culture deep cuts: George Michael vs. Cindy Lauper as a Verzuz, Max B’s parole, “Tonight’s Conversation” blowing up the live show model.
• Vulnerability masked with humor: From Flip’s performance talk to reflecting on aging in the limelight, the guys use jokes to process real stuff.
• Accountability — for themselves and for the culture — is a recurring theme, deeply explored but never without levity.

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Closing Thoughts

The episode wraps up with reminders to plan for rainy days, “work smarter, not harder,” and appreciate moments and each other. In true JBP style, the crew closes by riffing on classic soul and pop, poking fun at each other, and letting the vibes carry listeners through both laughter and reflection.

For those who haven’t listened:
This episode is quintessential JBP — by turns hilarious, sincere, cutting, and insightful, with every segment carrying lessons (sometimes hard-learned) about life, ownership, and what it means to be accountable for your own journey.

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Recommended Segments:

• Flip’s performance review and accountability (00:30–09:00)
• The “what’s meant for you” life philosophy debate (29:00–36:00)
• Sebastian Telfair/fall-off discussion (88:00–103:00)
• Def Jam and music business breakdown (149:00–153:00)
• Stephen A. Smith vs. Michelle Beadle segment (153:00–170:00)
• Summer Walker/Wale/Drake discussion (143:00–147:54; 193:15–197:31)

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(“None of this is possible without y’all.” – Joe Budden, 15:24)

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. All right, we are on air now. We are.

[Flip]

Hey, I'm back. Feel good. The top feels so much better than the bottom.

[Ish]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Button]

I mean, it does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what they say.

[Flip]

The bottom. They put it right in there. So you got.

[Erickson]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Button]

No, he's talking about the success lab. Come on. Not gay sex on the success.

[Ish]

What? They put it on the success line at the bottom.

[Joe Button]

Wait, gay, actually. Oh, yeah. Well, good point. What y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Button]

What y' all saying? Y' all making good jokes that I'm only gonna catch on the playback.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What happens?

[Flip]

He do that.

[Erickson]

He do that.

[Flip]

He's a master.

[Joe Button]

And I realized that Parks was shooting at me on the. The other day with the whole you pod different in front of your girls.

[Flip]

He a say, no, I'm slow.

[Joe Button]

When y' all shoot at me on air, I beat.

[Flip]

And he was going along with it. I thought he acknowledged it.

[Joe Button]

No, I didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe was like, ooh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Because I think that you niggas might change up the script when your girl is listening. I didn't take it like your girl gotta be present.

[Erickson]

It wasn't really a direct shot at you. It was a shot to anybody who was. Girl, let it fly.

[Joe Button]

Oh, see, and that's the other thing. It didn't apply till I got home.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's up?

[Joe Button]

How y' all doing, man? Good. Corey. I don't want to smell your fucking chicken noodle soup.

[Flip]

It smell good soon.

[Ish]

And.

[Joe Button]

Come on, healthy, man.

[Flip]

What is that, zucchini?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You got some rigatoni soup, zucchini noodle soup, Some jail soup. What up, y' all back? Mac, man, what up?

[Flip]

It feels good. I see y', all, man. Listen. Good to see you. I'm happy to be at work, man.

[Joe Button]

Sweatsuit on diamond.

[Flip]

This will be the day uniquely defined. Melissa, here's the thing. I was here. What day was I here? I was here earlier this week or last week?

[Erickson]

Tuesday.

[Flip]

Last week I was here.

[Joe Button]

What. What's today?

[Flip]

Today's Tuesday.

[Erickson]

Tuesday.

[Joe Button]

Tuesday. I don't even know.

[Flip]

I know you want me here on Fridays, but I'm not here on Fridays, so what's. What's. What's today?

[Joe Button]

Oh, you was Here like that might have been a Thursday. Wednesday. Thursday.

[Flip]

They called me in for a meeting. They called me in for a meeting Tuesday.

[Joe Button]

Joe didn't call nothing.

[Flip]

Joe called me in for a meeting.

[Joe Button]

Y' all just gonna bunch me and Ian together.

[Flip]

Joe, you called me for a meeting.

[Joe Button]

What that got to do with Ian?

[Flip]

When I came here, Ian was outside dancing.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's cause I called him.

[Ish]

So you called in Flip for a meeting.

[Joe Button]

But no, him and I didn't call flip for a meeting. Got it. Okay. I called Flip in for a meeting that Ian said he would like to be present for us.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Button]

So Joe and they both beat me here.

[Flip]

Joe calls me on the phone. I missed the call. Call him back. Yo, yo, just, you know, what you doing? What you mean, what I'm doing? What's up, nigga?

[Joe Button]

Get straight to it.

[Flip]

Yo, pull up on me. I said, okay. Is this a. Is this a bad face to face or good? He said, it depends. But I know I am. I'm leading with love.

[Joe Button]

That's what he says to me on the phone.

[Erickson]

Oh, sure. Trouble, buddy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't never good.

[Flip]

That's exactly what he said. He said, I'm leading with love. Whatever I say to you is from a place of love.

[Joe Button]

No, you said, am I gonna be mad? Yeah.

[Flip]

Thank you. Am I gonna be mad about this? Is this meaning gonna be mad? How am I preparing myself to come over there? He said, I don't know if you're gonna be mad.

[Tanner]

What that mean? Get the roscoe or not.

[Flip]

I'm just saying. Anyway, cool. I take a shower. I come through. Soon as I come through, I see Ian in the hallway dancing. As soon as I get out the elevator, I'm like, y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He must have thought it was.

[Flip]

I'm like, here you go.

[Ish]

Yeah, some bullshit.

[Flip]

So now I come in, Joe come, we walk outside, these niggas start to talk. Ian starts his conversation just telling me about my performance and how he feels. Joe's listening. Joe tells me how he feels. I stopped both of them. Yo, just get straight to the point. Like, what are we doing here? Is it bad? Get straight to the point.

[Tanner]

What's going.

[Flip]

My man told me how you feel? Like, you know, you being on just performance wise. And the funny part about it, see, I was taking Joe serious, but it's when the white man, Ian started saying, you don't love him.

[Erickson]

Oh, shit.

[Flip]

You guys, you don't love him. You sit there on your phone, nigga do all this right here. I'm looking at this nigga like, I start dying laughing. I said, if this was Corey, I would listen to Corey. Cause Corey has something about him. But you doing that. He pointed. You don't love him if you live. You know how I feel when I'm watching on the playback and you're on your phone. And this man, he has worked hard. He puts his friends on, and all you do is on your phone not paying attention. You don't love him. You know how much chances we took? I'm listening to him. Like, I'm just laughing. Now I feel bad that I'm laughing.

[Erickson]

That sounds disrespectful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

No, come on, Parks. You know what I'm saying. To see a person act like that, that you've never seen act like that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

It caught me off guard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You say what made you erupt into laughter?

[Joe Button]

It did. It did. It did walk.

[Flip]

It caught me off guard. So had a Me and them pull my coattail, you know. So I'm back. I'm here, I'm focused. I'm ready. That's what I want to say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want key gaps in the story here.

[Flip]

I got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I gotta skip.

[Flip]

I gotta skip it, cuz.

[Tanner]

It's.

[Flip]

I was just. He could tell the rest. Whatever he.

[Joe Button]

And I'm not telling nothing. I am a vault.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you comfortable with us asking a couple probing questions?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You all can do whatever you want.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pro boy have a blast at the bottom.

[Tanner]

So.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Flip]

Don't do anything that's going to Cadence. You know, I'mma watch it and I'mma come back. I'm going have a conversation with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So we're talking. I'm right next to you.

[Joe Button]

You going to hear everything.

[Flip]

Yeah, but you.

[Joe Button]

The problem with your probing mark is you come here and are a dick.

[Flip]

Yeah, you.

[Joe Button]

You like a dark.

[Flip]

You the real probe, nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, oh, my God.

[Flip]

You the probe.

[Joe Button]

He don't do nothing with love up here. Then he get on fucking Pierce of pro and him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why they be talking about you. No, no. So when he was. First of all, when he was breaking down your performance, whatever it was, I'm like, yes. Did you feel like he was accurate?

[Joe Button]

Who? Whoever.

[Flip]

Both of them broke. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Ian ain't here, so I want to deal with what I said. Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah. I feel like Joe was accurate.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Flip]

I feel like he was accurate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And how did you feel? And how did one Ian question, just because you said you laugh, was he. Was that. Did that anger him more?

[Joe Button]

It did rile him up. He was riled up.

[Flip]

It Did.

[Joe Button]

I was having a serious talk. So I was not laughing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

However, Ian. Ian was, he. He turned it up.

[Erickson]

He did.

[Joe Button]

Because, you know Ian. I can't say that. But, yeah, you know, Ian is in and out sometimes.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

He's in and out sometimes. So he was. He was all aware. Come on, brother.

[Flip]

I didn't like that.

[Joe Button]

He was going, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was. He was aggressive. But I. I think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it was.

[Flip]

No, I respect it. I just. I just laughing. I sat here, right there in the middle. I said, yo, listen, I'm only laughing at you because I didn't. I never seen you act this way, so don't take it as any disrespect. I just find it funny because there was a lot of theatrics to me.

[Joe Button]

Hey, you Clipper niggas, if flip didn't work here, your Adsense check would go down about 40k. Hey, however much you make it, you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Think you're making 40k?

[Joe Button]

No, I'm saying wherever it applies to, it'll go. It would go down quite a bit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, for sure it would go down.

[Joe Button]

Quite a bit, is what I'm saying. Did the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you think you laughing at him change the outcome at all?

[Flip]

As far as what.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever y' all resolved. Did it change how?

[Flip]

No, no. And it changed the outcome. But me laughing, he understood what I was. I explained to him. I mean, Ian's from the Stern, so he understands what I'm saying. Even though it was. I just. I made sure I was clear. Yo, I'm only laughing because this. If Corey. If this was Corey. Cause Corey spoke to me before not laughing at Corey. Corey has a different demeanor. Yo, nigga, come on. Act like a bitch, nigga. Fuck you, Tony. You know where you come from?

[Erickson]

Cause you're scared of Corey.

[Flip]

All right, Corey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a lot of words for saying.

[Flip]

I'm scared of Cory.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fine.

[Flip]

But he just, you know. But it was do. It was dope.

[Joe Button]

Shout out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just one more question. Just one more question.

[Flip]

Last one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is there any relationship between the conversation and your new schedule? Yeah, what's the relationship?

[Joe Button]

You just said last question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, he didn't answer.

[Joe Button]

He did answer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You okay? He said yes. I'll leave it alone.

[Flip]

Directly.

[Joe Button]

He directly said yes. Let me go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, it's fine. That's fine. I'll leave it to you Clippers to.

[Flip]

Figure out new schedule. New schedules by choice or new schedules by choice?

[Erickson]

Whose choice?

[Flip]

Mine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mine.

[Flip]

New schedule by choice.

[Ish]

Even if.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was.

[Flip]

New schedule by choice.

[Joe Button]

Group choice.

[Flip]

Good talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a good talk, man.

[Flip]

Shout out to God, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you for clearing. I just didn't want any false information going about you.

[Tanner]

No, no.

[Flip]

I mean.

[Joe Button]

Shut up, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was my kn. Top priority. I guess that's a TED Talk.

[Flip]

Whatever they say.

[Erickson]

There we go. We're getting Nas or are we getting Juice World recipes?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, one of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's not that one.

[Erickson]

There we go.

[Joe Button]

We going with Sting. But shout out to Nas. I thought about it, but another record I wanted to play is not the same tempo as the message, so. Yeah. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He deals the cards as a meditation.

[Joe Button]

Mic Shack Mike Shaq, 1, 2, 1 2.

[Flip]

Doozy players never suspect.

[Joe Button]

So glad y' all could be here with us today. Salutations. He doesn't play. Shout to wherever you might be listening from. Of course. Big Jersey, big New York City in the building. You know the vibes with us. Hey, everybody at work right now for sure. For Sheezy. Shout out to y'. All. Shout out to the veterans for sure. Shout out to the veterans, anybody that ever served. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

[Flip]

In law of a probable outcome.

[Joe Button]

Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. No matter what they say about us. Mike check. 40 and up out there. 40 and up out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know that diamonds need money for.

[Flip]

This art but that's not the shape of my heart.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Listen, I know you think that.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

I shouldn't still love you. Come on, man. It's Fall in New York. Y' all. Thought I was on in here today, man.

[Flip]

What you know about this boy?

[Joe Button]

His wife be playing this. He know this song, man. What do I think? His wife got the white slaps on. Stop playing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I promise I'll return to where we were.

[Erickson]

It's good for snow music.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's what I think.

[Flip]

Hey. All over the world all over the world.

[Joe Button]

Let'S go.

[Flip]

Yes, I'm in love, I'm in love don't know about the box.

[Joe Button]

Got it. Shout out to Neo Wherever you listening, Wherever you listening from Shout out to Neo's moms. Yo, do y' all want to talk about the Mario Omarion Little. Little Tiff they're having?

[Erickson]

Oh, y' all put me on. I'm not here.

[Ish]

I wasn't aware.

[Joe Button]

Oh, please. Y' all started that mess when Marion came up here. One of y' all. Ish. Yeah, somebody started that mess.

[Erickson]

You.

[Joe Button]

We'll get to it. I don't mean no disrespect.

[Tanner]

When I start.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to everybody in college right now. Everybody getting Ready for college. Everybody in the dorms. Shout out to the patronies, Man. Make sure y' all sign up to that patreon. Shout out to all the man girlfriends and wives out there that makes me.

[Flip]

Want to tear you down, Baby.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I shout out to the score.

[Joe Button]

Keep this applause going for the best broadcast in the universe, Man. So blessed to be here with y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Joe Button]

So blessed to have y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Joe Button]

And y' all are so blessed to have me. Get these drops out the way right quick. Keep this applause going right quick.

[Ish]

Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who is that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's Mark Lama pussy.

[Joe Button]

All right. I think that was all of them. Big flip in the building. Queens get the money. Y' all know the vibes. Y' all know what we here do.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's cold outside. It was snowing all 20 minutes ago. Shout out to everybody whose heat is not working. I know it's some of y' all.

[Flip]

Out there with the radiators. Switch some shits up, man. H Vac old radiators.

[Joe Button]

I got two little small portable heaters I bought from Home Depot.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I gotta go in too.

[Joe Button]

Nigga. That's the best 49 facts. The cheap joint is the one that little honeywell, the little squill and some instances Spending more don't mean. Yeah. Dumb little eaters. I was almost mad when my he started working again like this. Don't do it like this. Next to the bed.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

God damn. Listen. Shout out to y'. All. Y' all are so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Man.

[Joe Button]

Give it up for yourselves out there. You got you guys round of applause.

[Erickson]

I think I can hear it.

[Joe Button]

You guys are awesome, man. My name is Joe Button. This is the Joe Button podcast we've been on for 10 years. It's been a few crews. This is my favorite. Flip is here. Mark is here. Ish is here. Tired of intro, Nigga. Y' all should even know. Ice Parks is Pope. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Savon and Tanner here by remote. You guys are here.

[Flip]

Yep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Joe Button]

None of this is possible without y'. All. We sign up to all Patreons. Shout out to anybody who may be fighting a private battle out there. Shout out to anybody who may be struggling with their mental health. We are here for y'. All. Gentlemen. How do y' all feel?

[Flip]

Feel great.

[Joe Button]

Feel great.

[Flip]

Feel great.

[Joe Button]

Good.

[Flip]

Great weekend.

[Joe Button]

Y' all like my new monotone intro?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no. Not at all.

[Joe Button]

Coming in here yelling and getting all hype, man.

[Erickson]

Welcome to episode 877 of the Joe Button Podcast.

[Joe Button]

There you go.

[Erickson]

Brought to you by Powered by Prospects.

[Joe Button]

I'm hungry.

[Erickson]

A little hangry.

[Joe Button]

Keno cooking in here on Fridays has fucked me up. Coming in here on Tuesday.

[Erickson]

He can't do that no more. I'll be ready for bed after them meals.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he can.

[Erickson]

No, he can, but I'm just saying, like.

[Joe Button]

Well, he got. I got the menu for what he got.

[Ish]

I heard.

[Tanner]

I heard.

[Joe Button]

I. I got a menu for what he got going on on Friday. Okay, that's why.

[Ish]

That's why I'm telling the park.

[Flip]

My bad.

[Joe Button]

Just one more.

[Erickson]

No, no, I think you can keep doing it. It's just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He should cook it, but especially this Patreon. And then we eat it right afterward. Nah.

[Flip]

Or not.

[Joe Button]

Well, that would require any of y' all staying for a second after the patreon, but y' all run out of here. Y' all like the road running. Y' all like sh. From Thundercats. Y' all get going. Shout out to my baby. It's her birthday on Thursday. Go, Scorpio.

[Erickson]

Happy birthday.

[Joe Button]

Happy birthday. Yeah. Man, this is so annoying.

[Erickson]

So that's also why you're a little sleepy today. You've been busy shopping and preparing a beautiful birthday celebration for your queen.

[Joe Button]

I'm preparing my defense argument for why some things bear. Well, she one of them that. Oh, I want the small things. It's the card. Did you write someone a card? I know you got me a cake.

[Ish]

I know you can like.

[Joe Button]

No, I didn't.

[Ish]

No, you got to. You got to do that.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'll step away and make some calls.

[Erickson]

There you go.

[Ish]

There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He doing all that.

[Tanner]

The problem is you're making call.

[Joe Button]

She could tell when KE picked a card.

[Erickson]

Yeah, well, you think a key card in your card about to be the same.

[Joe Button]

That's the problem. These black girls are savvy business, yo. She could tell when KE pick it versus when I pick it.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So now I got to go and find a.

[Ish]

Somewhere.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You know what you do?

[Erickson]

Make your own.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that'd be great.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Make your own card. When you go in Target looking for the birthday cards, they're never good. They're all in the anniversary section. You gotta search. It's one sentence they want you to write. Shout out to my baby. I' ma lace that shit. Don't worry about it.

[Erickson]

Yeah. Oh, you gotta find the blank one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was like, get the blank one as you write it.

[Joe Button]

Then I had Kareem at Bergdorf, like, send me some necklaces. Then I stopped looking at Those they came with prices.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Now them jewelry prices over there.

[Joe Button]

It's over for that came with prices. Yeah. And the other day, and I'm not going to keep bringing. I went to see somebody else who built they. That's where all the money got to go now he bugged the. Oh come.

[Ish]

You got it.

[Flip]

That was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was the Lord.

[Flip]

Yeah, build that.

[Joe Button]

You know what's funny about that? When white people say kaboom and what happened versus what I assumed happened.

[Flip]

Yo, I thought somebody got shot.

[Joe Button]

I thought somebody jumped over the thing. Kaboom. If the plants fall it. Anyway, Corey, look at Cory.

[Flip]

Oh nigga, look at Corey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They got muscles using prison exercises.

[Joe Button]

That's cause Corey came out of jail when it was tough to get a job with certain shit on your record. Look, look at him now.

[Flip]

Oh man.

[Joe Button]

Sorry audience listenership.

[Erickson]

Little turbulence out there.

[Joe Button]

Some shit well outside we gotta pick it up. We trying to, trying to, trying to be decent, man.

[Erickson]

Yeah, looks great. Shout out to Corey.

[Joe Button]

Everybody's good. What y' all do? What y' all do for the weekend? What y' all do for the weekend?

[Erickson]

Too damn much, man. Too much a lot.

[Flip]

Family.

[Erickson]

Yeah, we had the release party thing in Times Square for the Levi's and then me and Amani hit the streets afterwards. Stayed out till 4 o' clock in the morning, drink tequila. Had a baby shower for my brother in law on Saturday. Hung out after that.

[Joe Button]

More tequila.

[Erickson]

Had to see that night.

[Joe Button]

Wait, wait, that was Friday. Friday you went to the event and then stayed out with Amani drinking tequila. Saturday had energy to be back out.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I had to sleep till about 2 in the afternoon and then found the energy. And then Sunday had a video shoot and then Monday I had another shoot and now I'm here.

[Tanner]

So what's the video?

[Erickson]

A bunch of.

[Tanner]

I mean music or.

[Erickson]

One music, one content.

[Ish]

Well, you know, getting it.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Tanner]

Thought she was on somebody Runway or something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You never know with this guy.

[Flip]

Yeah, you know some more pull ups.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Button]

Like a nice long weekend.

[Erickson]

It was. It was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How was the Levi party? Levi's party though?

[Erickson]

Oh, it was amazing, man. It was amazing. Seeing my face and time square is.

[Joe Button]

A trip more shout out to Joe Fire.

[Erickson]

Why N. I do the smart. I do the smart thing. You don't want to put us on a billboard?

[Flip]

I can get my own billboard.

[Tanner]

How about that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How about that?

[Joe Button]

With a big brand.

[Erickson]

How about that?

[Joe Button]

That's right. Let's go parks. How about that? With a big mark is asking about the. The. The Levi. I'm. I Still want to hear about getting in the house at 4 in the morning?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was thinking that too. I could not get that off.

[Erickson]

We came back to the house and they had a little. After a quick second.

[Joe Button]

It was a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. They different.

[Erickson]

It was a lot.

[Joe Button]

Freeze what you was up to. Now you got the section at your normal Friday spot.

[Ish]

Nope, I was recuperating.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, because you was. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

I was still under the weather, so I'm good now.

[Joe Button]

So, yo, be a man and say sick.

[Ish]

I was recoup.

[Joe Button]

I wasn't sick.

[Ish]

Getting myself back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

I was under the weather. That's hilarious. Ish. How was your weekend? You still got your tonight's conversation skin. You went and got a face. You glowing. You pulled out the fatigue from when Tribe Called Quest dropped the low end theory.

[Erickson]

Nah, that's a different fatigue. What fatigue is that is too tight for that era.

[Joe Button]

I didn't mean the brand, but flex.

[Flip]

That's a Flex.

[Tanner]

Some $150 pants.

[Joe Button]

That's a flex. Yes, that's a flex. Yo, Ish. All right. How much you think people pay. Pay for that? Like regular people? How much you think their fatigues cost? And I hate to make this a money thing again, about that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, go to the Army Navy store, dog.

[Tanner]

Them shits ain't cheap no more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They like $50, though.

[Tanner]

I don't think so. They might be out. All stores in my hood is gone.

[Joe Button]

He wouldn't know.

[Tanner]

No, I with them.

[Joe Button]

They're gone.

[Ish]

He don't know.

[Tanner]

They went out of business in my hood.

[Joe Button]

I felt so bad yesterday. And my barber's cutting my hair top of the cut. He says, yo, man, you know what? You know anybody that got. I'm trying to get the Bottega bathroom bag or the Goyard bathroom bag. You know anybody? You got like a plug.

[Erickson]

He was looking for some.

[Joe Button]

I couldn't even hold the laughter.

[Ish]

You a piece of shit.

[Joe Button]

I said, Well, I said, what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The store.

[Ish]

He's an asshole.

[Tanner]

When they plug on the lights at Berndorf.

[Joe Button]

What does plug mean? You mean somewhere other than Goyard where.

[Ish]

You could get the.

[Joe Button]

No, I can't. I'm sorry, buddy. Can't help you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

I thought of you, though.

[Erickson]

That's all we thought.

[Joe Button]

I can't. Over here. Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Connections.

[Joe Button]

Deeper, darker. You like the wire? You like when it come to that boosting.

[Flip]

It's coming.

[Joe Button]

My boy don't play.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's coming.

[Ish]

Are you crazy? Like what you do?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I seen you on the Internet, man. You Seen who on the Internet you like? You at the event with Mona.

[Tanner]

Oh, no, I stopped through there. Shout out to Mona. Mona killed it, yo. She's silly as fuck, bro. Like, she's just innately funny.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Tanner]

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, tonight's conversations, Mona was one of the panelists, okay? And for the most part, they conversations are about relationships and they be kind of serious.

[Joe Button]

Serious.

[Tanner]

Yo, this just gets up. Somebody says, some serious. Mona just sitting there like, yo, listen, baby girl, these is like stray cats.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

Just give him some warm milk. Tuck them in.

[Tanner]

I'm like, yo, fam, off the top of her head, just some wild. Everybody in the whole arena just starts laughing because they be serious.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. She just gives the whole comedic about broke, dude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that shit had me rolling, yo.

[Tanner]

Bruh, she's insane, my nigga.

[Erickson]

I like emota relationship advice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I was over there hollering, you need that?

[Tanner]

Yeah, but no, I went to the early show. I was supposed to go to the late show. They gave me tickets. I let my girl and her friends go to the late show audience.

[Joe Button]

We're talking about tonight's conversation. That is a touring. I don't wanna call them a podcast. It's a show. It's a touring show. They live on the road. They make a lot of money. Make a killing. Bring out huge crowds. Yeah. So shout out to them. It should spoke. Their was packed, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was at the Javits center too, right?

[Tanner]

It was at the Javits Cent for those.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not New York. That's a huge place.

[Flip]

Shout out to them.

[Tanner]

Yeah, they sold out. They sold out.

[Erickson]

The a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Selling out to Javits is crazy. That giving you ideas, Joe?

[Joe Button]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We could be in a Javits and selling out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Y' all would charge me more than y' all would tonight's conversation, too.

[Erickson]

That's possible.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, probably.

[Flip]

You leaked. You leaked the news.

[Joe Button]

That's the problem.

[Flip]

You shouldn't have leaked it.

[Joe Button]

That's the problem.

[Flip]

I'm taking you to the bank. Leave me out. And I'm gonna still show up too, on some bullshit.

[Joe Button]

Hey, yo, no, the Javitstone is no small. Is no small.

[Flip]

Nah, not at all.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to them.

[Tanner]

Yeah, shout to Dre and Lex. Dre and Lex perform, so.

[Joe Button]

But where in the Javing? Now I'm in the business. What was the point?

[Tanner]

So I went to the show a couple years ago. I think they was in a 3500 seater. They sold out that for two or three days in a row. Then the other day I think they did the 4000, 4500. So they had an 8 o' clock show that sold out immediately. They had to get another show at 4 o'.

[Joe Button]

Clock.

[Tanner]

So they originally didn't have a 4 o' clock show, but they sold out the eight.

[Joe Button]

And that's the one you 9000 tickets.

[Erickson]

That's amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

That's 9, 000 tickets. Even if how much was 6,000 away for free? That's 8, 000 of the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How much was how much tickets?

[Joe Button]

Next year they around being Radio City.

[Tanner]

I don't know. I think they highest ticket might be like 350, 400. Oh, because they got like the meet and greet, super vip. You can take pictures.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure they do it right. I ain't getting mad, but that's like a lot of money.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

Nah, but shout out to all of them. Cheyenne Bryant was there. Mandy was on the thing. Mona, wait. It was dope.

[Joe Button]

Go slow, don't speed over.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not gonna help.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, not at all.

[Flip]

I love you.

[Joe Button]

So Dr. Cheyenne Bryant was there. Yeah. Did she recognize the real one when she saw one shout to her?

[Tanner]

I didn't see hurt.

[Joe Button]

He just hurt you with it. Shut my little story. Now I gotta resort back to my Mandy jokes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw Mandy and Mona in the video. They made a funny little Internet video as well. So it seemed like everybody was mingling and connecting. Yeah, that's dope. You didn't get to see the show itself.

[Tanner]

I saw, I got there late. So how they break it down? They break it into three sections. Half an hour, half an hour, half an hour. They'll change the panel for each show. For each segment of one show. Yeah, that's what matters. Like that. So when I got there, I got there. Traffic was crazy on Saturday. I got there for the 4 o' clock show at like 5 o'.

[Joe Button]

Clock. And if you're listening, traffic is crazy in New York on Saturday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If there was some way to know.

[Flip]

That ahead of time.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that traffic kills me.

[Tanner]

Yeah. But no, I was worse than normal.

[Ish]

Okay, how about that?

[Joe Button]

Well, Saturday was really nice. It was weather wise. No, I know weather wise.

[Tanner]

This is what happened. I was supposed to go with Imani. Imani was supposed to go.

[Joe Button]

Yo, Imani, like Max B, we gonna have to talk. We'll talk later.

[Flip]

I was supposed to go with Imani.

[Tanner]

Imani was shooting his podcast. So I went there. Watch Imani shout To Imani shooting his podcast when the podcast is over.

[Joe Button]

Oh. With that really funny, attractive comedian girl. Probably why he couldn't get up with you.

[Tanner]

So the tells me, yo, dog, I ain't go to bed till six. You know what I'm saying?

[Erickson]

I said, yo, you left my house by 4.

[Tanner]

You had me sitting here under the guys that we going together. Yo, I can't go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you just watch the podcast for nothing, basically.

[Tanner]

You know what I mean? It was funny, though. But shout out to them. I haul ass in New York. It said 40 minutes. It took me like an hour and 40 minutes. It was crazy.

[Joe Button]

Crazy.

[Erickson]

Got to run through the whole contact list on that R.

[Ish]

That's one call.

[Flip]

One call for my boy.

[Joe Button]

Somebody was getting like, idiot bro. Cause you can't just sit in traffic and chill.

[Tanner]

Who can't?

[Joe Button]

You.

[Tanner]

No, Jay Z.

[Joe Button]

Stop. It's just me. It's J. Me you talking to Jay Z. All right, well, I'm glad you had a good time.

[Tanner]

Nah, it was cool.

[Joe Button]

Glad you had a good time up there. Certainly looked like a lot of fun.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Mona for killing it.

[Joe Button]

I'll get an invite. Invite one day.

[Flip]

Show love from who?

[Joe Button]

After these Jacob Javits. Goddamn right. I know what I'm charging.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should have called me, man.

[Joe Button]

They gonna think I'm trippy. What if he's mad? If not mad? That's the wrong word.

[Tanner]

I don't know. I think Tripp is content doing what he doing.

[Joe Button]

As content creators, we don't talk about we. That's what we. I don't want to talk about him no more. 1. But as content creators, when we say, yo, we just content with what we doing.

[Erickson]

Content. Content. Yeah.

[Ish]

Crazy.

[Joe Button]

Because content creators just be lying, man. When you. When you make the wrong decision, you can say it. You ain't got to say, I'm happier now.

[Flip]

Sometimes you got to stand in there yo y.

[Joe Button]

So much happier.

[Flip]

You know, you up, you gotta stay. No, you gotta stand in the. Or you gotta go somewhere else. Sometimes you gotta do that, or the.

[Tanner]

Blessing might show itself later.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. Like, the next thing might be true.

[Joe Button]

But if you the person. I've been in that spot, lady. Gotta hurry later. Gotta hurry up.

[Ish]

I got people that time frame.

[Joe Button]

I gotta be out here that's judging me. Cause look away. I gotta know. I got some in that nine months. But right this second, it's like somebody.

[Tanner]

Saying, yo, you dropped the ball. Went complex or you dropped the ball with.

[Joe Button]

No, they said that Spotify. I know and they said that.

[Tanner]

And guess what they saying now?

[Flip]

He. That.

[Ish]

Yeah, but in that gap, bro, I could live.

[Joe Button]

They just started. And it's real. It's a. It's all. It's maybe 10 of people that say nice stuff about me publicly. And that just started.

[Tanner]

I could believe that.

[Joe Button]

That just started.

[Tanner]

That don't mean they don't think.

[Flip]

You get. You know, one of the phrases I hate, like, when somebody drop a ball, an opportunity or something or leave something, they'd be like, like, what's meant for me is.

[Tanner]

I hate that phrase.

[Flip]

I hate that I was screaming about that phrase.

[Joe Button]

I love that phrase.

[Flip]

No, no, because the other opportunity and other opportunity was meant for you. You just decided to do something else.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Flip]

The other every. Like, I feel like it's not with that phrase. I feel like when people say. I feel like right now I leave here or whatever happened and I'm on the Internet, like, yo, if it was meant for me, it was meant for me.

[Tanner]

No, if Flip fucked up, let's say he fucked up and did some dumb shit.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My.

[Flip]

I don't need your help. I don't need your help.

[Joe Button]

Thank you.

[Tanner]

And he leaves and then be like.

[Ish]

Yo, what's meant for me?

[Joe Button]

It's meant for me.

[Tanner]

No, you made bad decision.

[Flip]

I feel like people use that to mask on the gate from.

[Joe Button]

I agree with what y' all are saying, that people do that. I disagree with what y' all are saying. The meaning is it applies for even when you do bad, that's what the saying is there for. I. I up. I did something bad. What's gonna come from that is gonna come from that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did it.

[Joe Button]

What's meant for me is gonna come for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It ain't meant for you. I think I know y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm Finn straddling, but I think y'.

[Joe Button]

All are both on brand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think y' all are both correct. I think there's a way to use that to make sense of the world and that your destiny is your destiny. But I think some people use it as a crutch and as an excuse to not take accountability.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, they'll do something fucked up, and then they'll say, oh, it just for me. No, nigga, you came to work hard.

[Flip]

You spit your balls, you push it your boss in the face, you spit.

[Ish]

I like the nigga using it as a crutch because again, that's what you. That's. I'm using that to push forward.

[Tanner]

No, you using that almost as an excuse for being in the position you in.

[Ish]

But at the same time, I'm not stuck right here. Yo, that was meant for me. It was meant for me. I'm not there no more. Stop asking me about it. It's not meant for me. I'm not there. Whatever happened, cool. I'm on this now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I mean, that's what I said.

[Ish]

I think I like it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it depends on how you use it. That's what I'm saying. It just depends on how you use it.

[Tanner]

And I don't believe in fate, so I believe we make our fate. I don't believe in fate. So when the niggas be like, yo, what's meant for me Mean, you already had this predetermined destiny. I don't believe that. Me personally, not knocking nobody that does. So what's meant for me? No, you make what's meant for you, in my opinion.

[Erickson]

I agree a little bit.

[Joe Button]

So I agree, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree with that.

[Joe Button]

Okay, y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Button]

Y' all look. Y' all think I'm ready to argue? Nah, y' all look at me.

[Tanner]

The A mic to progress the conversation.

[Joe Button]

Because outside of meant for me, what's meant for me for me is also what's meant for you is meant for you. What do y' all stand on that one?

[Tanner]

I don't understand.

[Joe Button]

I know. Yeah, you just.

[Flip]

Yeah, you did some rapping. Yeah, you did.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you did some.

[Flip]

You bodied it.

[Joe Button]

What's for me is for me, and what's for you is for you. Right? Y' all never heard that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's how I use it. That's how I use it.

[Tanner]

Explain.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So, like, I hate. So when I got fired for seeing it like my. There's a way to make sense of that. I had to say that that's not my journey. I could have made a different choice that day, and I probably would still be working there and make a lot of money and blah, blah, blah. But that wasn't for me. That's for them. Let them do that. I got my own destiny. It's gonna take me where I need to be. That. That's cool. I think that's how you use it, right?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The problem is I got friends to use that might punch their boss in the face. And then instead of saying, you know what? I could have made a better choice. So in the future, they just be like, oh, it wasn't for me. It wasn't my destiny. Like, no, nigga, you made a bad choice. And some people use it to not have to take accountability for the bad choice. Both can be true. I made a bad choice and that wasn't my destiny. But they don't see it as both and they only focus on the.

[Joe Button]

All right, I get what you're saying. I use it as the. And I get what you do. That's what I'm saying it. Max B is home. Yes, Max B is home. Let's get. Let me hit the round of applause when all of us don't applaud at the same time. It look like the Jennifer Hudson show when they all don't love the guest that came and it's like four people in the hallway.

[Ish]

I've never seen her.

[Joe Button]

Oh. If the guest ain't lit, it's. It's seven in that little space.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It be like a janitor in there clapping when it's somebody they with. It'd be like the ep. And they did there.

[Tanner]

That Mufasa. I think every person in the whole staff was in that hallway, right?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Tanner]

Dead ass Trump come through.

[Ish]

They be like.

[Tanner]

Trump did something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They didn't even make it a song. Right.

[Joe Button]

What you say? Freeze.

[Ish]

Did y' all see Morgan Freeman me come down to.

[Joe Button]

I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I might miss that one, man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I did. I did. What you got to say?

[Flip]

He was part of my top.

[Joe Button]

Did you see it?

[Ish]

I saw it.

[Flip]

What do you. Don't do that. Freeze.

[Joe Button]

He was.

[Ish]

I was just asking if y' all.

[Flip]

Saw that he was part of my topic of freeze. He was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even Mark wouldn't do this.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, well, he didn't see it.

[Ish]

So I saw.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. I'm well aware that he was in that tunnel.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, whether Morgan Freeman.

[Erickson]

Oh, shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop, stop.

[Joe Button]

You know what? So you would. So even Mark would do it, huh? Are you dealing with that shit to where they saying that? I heard the rumor. I don't know this rumor that there's another Morgan Freeman.

[Flip]

Shut the fuck up. What y' all talking about?

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Flip]

He's old.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought that Morgan Freeman on the spiritual honesty was adorable. He was an older man. He didn't. He clearly wasn't familiar with what they do every time. He was actually shocked to see all those people there and his heart was warmed and he came down the tunnel. I thought it was great.

[Joe Button]

Morgan Freeman is 88 years old. I want to say that was a goal.

[Ish]

That was cool.

[Joe Button]

And Morgan Freeman is one of the black people that get a pass like you should be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

So give it to him.

[Flip]

But he got it. Freeze.

[Ish]

He got the pass.

[Flip]

Listen to me.

[Ish]

What they call it?

[Erickson]

The spirit tunnel.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Most days.

[Erickson]

Oh, now Morgan's doing all right, man. Come on, man.

[Ish]

Morgan down there?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. When you tell somebody 88 they're going down the spirit tunnel.

[Flip]

They get a little nervous. Yo, are you crazy? That's a damn.

[Joe Button]

I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He saw that light at the end of the hallway.

[Flip]

Say that goddamn. Not like this. Morgan would have turned his ass around. He was a saw.

[Joe Button]

Safe.

[Ish]

Redemption.

[Flip]

Lock me back up. Oh, get the.

[Ish]

On me.

[Flip]

Hold on, Wait.

[Tanner]

Listen.

[Flip]

I'm mad at you because that was my topic, my favorite actors getting old.

[Ish]

Oh, that's what it was.

[Flip]

And what's up with Name from Clue? The name from Clue, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The guy that.

[Flip]

The butler from Clue.

[Erickson]

Oh, I know you.

[Flip]

Terry something. I saw him in a wheelchair. That me up.

[Joe Button]

Any of y' all know the butler from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Something?

[Flip]

Curry.

[Erickson]

Curry, I think, Joe.

[Flip]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Joe Button]

Tim Curry. Watch.

[Tanner]

Tim Curry.

[Erickson]

Tim Curry. Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tim Curry.

[Flip]

Yeah, I saw him in the Wheel. Jackson Hurt me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo. I don't know him.

[Tanner]

You know him.

[Flip]

I'm still sad.

[Joe Button]

I'm sad. I'm with you. I'm sad about Bruce Willis.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's a tough one.

[Flip]

That's hard to.

[Tanner]

It's medical, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not laughing at Bruce Willis. I'm still laughing at this.

[Joe Button]

I don't think you are.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. Bruce Willis is actually heartbreaking.

[Tanner]

Yeah, it is. It's fucked up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. Like, it's a few of them.

[Ish]

Flip is right.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a.

[Joe Button]

That's a tough.

[Tanner]

We getting old facts, right?

[Flip]

You think that they have all this money that they could preserve or live longer or do something, whether with health. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Women don't buy health.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but look, if you live the Hollywood life and you still up at 88, you straight. You kind of did.

[Tanner]

You made it to 90, bro. And you still walking around. You still got most of your faculty. That's not bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

Like, it's at 58 that. You know what I'm saying? Crazy.

[Joe Button]

You think I got you, dog.

[Flip]

We got two more. It's got a. It's gonna get a. It's got. It's smart. It's smart.

[Joe Button]

He think I'm cracking on him now.

[Flip]

Get back.

[Tanner]

I'm good, bro.

[Flip]

You put your face together. You smart. Oh, how old are you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

38.

[Flip]

Oh, girl, I'm good. By the time I'm 60. 60, boy.

[Joe Button]

The other day I was doing math. I'm Like h. If this. If this ride keeps riding for another, say, six years, seven years, we going to look like.

[Tanner]

That's 400 million old homes.

[Joe Button]

That's 400 million for you in seven years. 400 more if God is good.

[Tanner]

Uhhuh. All the time.

[Joe Button]

If God. Stop, cuz you stop, stop.

[Flip]

That's how you get on tonight's conversation. That's.

[Joe Button]

He make them shoot at me, Jordan. Joe gonna get 400 million. Joe ain't got. Yeah, we gonna look like the old folks home in. In seven years. I mean, but I'm okay with that.

[Ish]

That's the goal.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it worked.

[Ish]

I keep saying that. That's the goal. We. I don't have no problem looking old.

[Tanner]

I don't care.

[Erickson]

It'll be the roller stones out of this.

[Ish]

I look back at how many I went to high school with. That's not here.

[Joe Button]

Washed up just high school.

[Ish]

Not here.

[Flip]

They didn't make it.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

If we here in seven more years, I'll throw my walker at this across the. Throw a cannon.

[Erickson]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They gonna be like the things of life.

[Ish]

What both of y'. All.

[Tanner]

I ain't with you, man.

[Ish]

He know how to trigger you. You be trying not to.

[Joe Button]

Nah, the same triggers ain't gonna work. Cause he ain't gonna work no more.

[Ish]

Try to play with you now, he'll.

[Joe Button]

Be 57 in eight years. The same thing. Things won't trigger him because they make stuff for that. That thing would be. That thing would be.

[Ish]

They make stuff for that.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Ish]

They make stuff for that.

[Joe Button]

When you've been taking that stuff since you was 15. Monkey crazy when you was taking that stuff since 15. It don't work when it's supposed to work.

[Flip]

It don't work when it's supposed to work.

[Joe Button]

When you've been taking it since young. That little gas station product, when that.

[Flip]

Got you the nasal up, your nasal's up. Don't let him play like that. I'm good.

[Joe Button]

Listen, Max B. Is home. Max B.

[Ish]

Is home.

[Joe Button]

Well, no, he's not. Yeah, he's out of jail.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

He's not home. Max. Welcome home. Congratulations. 16 years. It's crazy. It's good to see LV there. It's good to see French there. Some of the people that were there when he went in at the court cases and all that. Yeah. And I can't speak to what he should or shouldn't be doing. Cuz you do 16 years, you do what the you want.

[Erickson]

When he's been sitting around for 16 years, I'm gonna be Outside. I'm going to the jets game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going outside. He's having the time of his life.

[Flip]

They said the jets won because he was there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Second win.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love.

[Joe Button]

I absolutely love Method man as a photographer for the Jets. I didn't know that was happening.

[Tanner]

I didn't know that either.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Method man was taking pictures of Max B. Oh, okay. And he had the.

[Flip]

Got the official.

[Joe Button]

He was on the other side. He had the long lens, like. I thought that was so funny.

[Ish]

I thought it was joking. Like, wait, that's method.

[Joe Button]

Oh, shit.

[Tanner]

Oh, that's fire.

[Joe Button]

No, I probably wouldn't joke about.

[Ish]

No, no, no, not you.

[Erickson]

No more of that, please.

[Ish]

No, I saw it because Marshawn lynch was doing that, too. It was a couple.

[Joe Button]

And I thought that was fun.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think that's dope. It's a couple, folks. That's like NFL photographers.

[Joe Button]

I'm so glad me and MF Beasted up. I seen that Monday night. Roy. He tall sitting down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

When is tall sitting down, it's like, all right, dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He in shape, too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

[Erickson]

He started his gym journey a little earlier.

[Joe Button]

Way earlier. Way earlier. What do y' all think?

[Ish]

I love it. I told you. I love it.

[Joe Button]

And I disagree with y', all, but not on the Max B topic. Outside look, germy.

[Erickson]

Well, he was just at. It's very.

[Tanner]

He was looking at gray walls with got.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you celebrities.

[Tanner]

Rah Rah was here on the wall.

[Joe Button]

No, I get that. Again, I'm not talking about Max B. Max B Beat can go wherever he wants. I'm not really talking about him. Any picture I've ever seen of a rapper at harbor, it looks. Jeremy.

[Tanner]

I never been in it.

[Joe Button]

Me neither.

[Erickson]

I had to imagine that first on a nice toilet is gonna be fantastic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's why I wanted to ask y', all, like, if. Let's assume sex is number one on.

[Erickson]

A little metal toilet for 16 years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And those are the worst toilets ever.

[Ish]

They see the smart toilet, right? Like, oh, shit.

[Tanner]

It do what?

[Joe Button]

Fuck him up.

[Tanner]

He gonna punch that shit.

[Joe Button]

You doing. French fiance looks so confused to be at all of these places.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like, where are we?

[Joe Button]

All right, never mind.

[Flip]

Stop.

[Joe Button]

Y' all want to be all right. I get it. I see. I see what's going on. I'll shut up. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Flip]

She's a rider, nigga.

[Joe Button]

That's what I said. Shout out to French.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, for real, for real. When y' all come home, assuming sex is the first thing on the table. Just assuming that what's stop number two if you did that much time.

[Tanner]

Food.

[Erickson]

Yeah, food.

[Tanner]

You gotta give me some good food as soon as we come out, like show up. Because the funny part is I'm eating.

[Ish]

On the ride home.

[Tanner]

Good food could be Popeyes. You've been locked up for 15 years. Yeah. You probably some stupid that we take for granted is a delicacy to them. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Some.

[Tanner]

Some wild. You crazy.

[Ish]

I need some Chinese food from the. From the hood, man. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Joe Button]

You could tell he ain't gonna get. He ain't gonna get class.

[Ish]

I'm gonna get it one day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not yet, though.

[Tanner]

Not yet. Let me, let me.

[Joe Button]

He ain't gonna get school one day. One day.

[Ish]

But yeah. Fresh out. Yeah.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Food.

[Joe Button]

I'm family. Family. Yeah. I'm going home. I'm staying home. I'm going to get for a full day. She going to get up and cook.

[Ish]

I don't know about.

[Joe Button]

And then I'm going to. Then I'm going. I'm staying home. I'm enjoying my house.

[Tanner]

That ain't going to get no.

[Ish]

For the full day. That was at the gas station with.

[Flip]

Me early talking about they going to.

[Tanner]

Have a heart attack holding the pills.

[Joe Button]

You talking about get a 20 minute nut.

[Erickson]

You talk about.

[Joe Button]

That sound good, though.

[Tanner]

That sound good.

[Joe Button]

I would be in the house and. And with family. That's. That's my answer to that.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I'm doing that first. Then I'm going outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't staying at home.

[Erickson]

What? I'm. I got to go see some music. I got to go dance. Something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't think. I didn't even think about going to like live music. Now let's check a few boxes.

[Tanner]

Seemingly French is up. So that had a welcome party just. Yo, nigga, we not even taking you home.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We out.

[Tanner]

Let's go get you jewelry up. Let's go get a car for you. He probably already had a car on a release like.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Now self centeredness is at the core of my disease. I would tap them after the jewelry stop. I would do the jewelry stop. I would go get laced up up. Go see whoever we see. Drape me down and take me home, please. Oh, no. Take me to Louis store too.

[Tanner]

Why?

[Joe Button]

Gotta get right, gotta get right.

[Tanner]

It's the last thing on your mind is some clothes.

[Joe Button]

They got him right?

[Tanner]

No, I know that wouldn't have been on my mind.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have been outside. You should show up with the like when I pick I pick people up from prison. I come with the clothes. My brother mad as if I show.

[Ish]

Up, had a jewelry, had a clothes, had a car.

[Tanner]

Now you gotta pick what jewelry you want.

[Ish]

No, no. I mean, it looked like he didn't pick that jewelry. That was, that was they had for him.

[Erickson]

You can get more.

[Ish]

He's gonna go crazy when he. He get to pick his shit.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tanner]

He been away for a while, so he might not be up to snuff on what is what.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Tanner]

So I'm gonna lace you in the beginning.

[Joe Button]

Well, I guess it would depend on. I don't. What are his plans? We don't know his plans. From the looks of things, it look like he trying to get back lit.

[Ish]

He told his plans when he called it here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said. He said at the jets game too.

[Ish]

He's like, I am coming back to make my. I want to be low now here. Like, I'm getting into the music.

[Flip]

Yeah, we'll get straight to it.

[Joe Button]

I'm hearing that they saying he would like to get with Cash, Cash Cobain and these niggas.

[Ish]

And I like what he said. Like, these are people that they say they grew up on my sound, so. Yeah, now let them work with the og. I love it. And they lit. That's the right move for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And they put the ball in their court. They kind of not like you gotta do it, but it's the right thing to do.

[Ish]

But they would want to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, they want to. They want to. And it's the right thing to do.

[Ish]

I need to hear Wiz and Max. That's all. I don't care. I don't care when it happens.

[Joe Button]

Is your heart gonna be broken if it don't sound like it did 20 years ago?

[Ish]

It'll sound like that. Would my heart be broken?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Ish]

I'll answer the question.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Erickson]

But he was putting outside sounding from jail, so I had to.

[Ish]

Exactly. And like I said, Wiz last project. Yes. I, I, I think they can do it. That's what I need to hear.

[Joe Button]

Wiz last project was hard.

[Erickson]

It was.

[Joe Button]

I think if Max get with the right and start talking the right. I think his sound and style just would have just him.

[Tanner]

Some people got it and some people.

[Joe Button]

Even if he did didn't make music. He just as a personality.

[Ish]

Oh, he'll be. He could be a content creator and go crazy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I think he's going to be a hit no matter what. I just don't know if that means music.

[Erickson]

Music is going to work for him a lot.

[Joe Button]

Of the.

[Erickson]

That he was doing back then is what people have been doing since.

[Ish]

So that is going to work all that sing songy.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm just happy for him and his family. Absolutely happy for his kids. Almost teared up when then the kids was the first one to hug him. I had to put the phone down.

[Ish]

A little bit and I like hey, I waited. Let them get that. I like that.

[Joe Button]

Even that though again, I'm aware that I'm talking from the perspective of an introvert. Don't bring the whole bunch of. To Hudson county pick me up.

[Ish]

They wasn't Hudson.

[Joe Button]

I feel you know I'm talking about just. Yeah, don't. Don't come bring no. Don't come bring no 100 to. To the jail to get me.

[Tanner]

Not for me.

[Joe Button]

Not for me.

[Ish]

My mom.

[Joe Button]

I know you all excited.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Ish]

My girl.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it was my girl. I don't even want my mom out there in the parking lot. It's gonna take them 19 hours to let me out this.

[Flip]

Yo, that is true.

[Joe Button]

Your mom gonna be down in that vending machine. Ain't got no.

[Tanner]

You think you get at one o'.

[Joe Button]

Clock. Yeah, right. Ain't no stophers in there.

[Ish]

Well, he got out early so they wasn't there that long.

[Tanner]

Let's get out that at 10:39pm them family been out there for 14.

[Joe Button]

You like. This is some. And I gotta come out and whack it first too. I can't get straight into some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You've been whacking. You've been whacking it.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying as soon as you come out, you get some. Now you ain't gonna make me come and a millisecond.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I want to Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can whack it.

[Tanner]

It's a woman holding you, scratching you. That ain't what that fifi did.

[Flip]

But you got. You got to get the first. You got to get the first out.

[Joe Button]

You got to get the fifi with the batteries.

[Ish]

And he came home to his woman. So they know what this is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. If you go. If we going to go again.

[Ish]

My.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the. Either somebody you don't give a about. In which case you don't give a. Or it's your lady. Is she expecting it to be. She going to be disappointed if it's not two seconds.

[Joe Button]

No, I'm talking. I'm talking. Good point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking. If I and I for 20 minutes after being in jail, my wife gonna be like.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What were you doing Right that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Squam.

[Ish]

How long?

[Joe Button]

How long Till we get some music, do you think?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Soon.

[Ish]

Very soon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A week.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, they was in the studio.

[Ish]

Yeah, very soon. I might get some music next week.

[Tanner]

Yeah, yeah, I. I agree with that fam. That don't want to go to sleep. I want to get right to it.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Tanner]

Yo, that got 16 years of plans, dreams. He probably got an outline. He probably got mad stuff.

[Erickson]

Stuff.

[Tanner]

And he's been keeping abreast of all the music that's out. He probably got cadences and yeah, he's been releasing music.

[Ish]

He ready.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I've never met a rapper that went to jail that came home from jail and didn't have a hundred. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mad memorized. You got to read it off the paper.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I ain't gonna lie. When Wayne came home, that was fire. Yo, he put all them jail wraps on. On slaps. Yeah. That's when that six foot seven and all that started dropping. Oh, but the rappers outside knew, like we knew because he was only going in for a year.

[Ish]

A year? Nine months.

[Joe Button]

Eight. Nine months. He was the best when he went in. Yeah. And now you give him time to just sit down and write. Think he gonna come out and get with Bangladesh and it's gonna be. We got to be quiet for a little bit. Yeah, yeah. And that's all they did. That's always great too, when rappers know that you got to chill out. Like, just go. Go home. Go hide for a little bit. Shout out to Max B, man. Shout out to friends again. His family, friends, kids. I know y' all been waiting a long time for that, man. And as fans, we have as well. So, yeah, what's for him is for him. He deserves everything that's coming to him for sure. What else needs our attention? What else is important? I'm a little riled up over the Dable firing, but we can get to sports later.

[Tanner]

Riled up good or riled up bad?

[Joe Button]

That I don't like it.

[Erickson]

Me, I don't like it either.

[Tanner]

I like it.

[Joe Button]

I don't like it.

[Ish]

We'll talk about it later.

[Tanner]

We'll talk about it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. What else needs our. Oh, and Sebastian Telfir. We got a lot of sports. Yeah, but what else?

[Erickson]

Not really sports, but any who.

[Flip]

Yeah, it's project.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Anybody watch the Rock and Roll hall of Fame?

[Joe Button]

I saw a clip. I saw the performance. I saw the Outcast tribute.

[Erickson]

I watched. I watched the whole thing. But I fast forwarded through a lot. Cuz it was like four and a half hours long. Yeah, it was a lot.

[Joe Button]

They got tivo.

[Erickson]

It was t Disney plus dvr.

[Joe Button]

How was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was.

[Erickson]

Well, salt and pepper was amazing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

That was the best one outkast. Shit was. I was disappointed. The speeches were great, but the performances. First of all, Andre didn't perform. Big Boy did. He opened up with. With Jid doing Andre's part, and that was great. But then Doja Cat came out to do Ms. Jackson.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

And it all up. And she was just doing the bridge part. I was appalled. In my house.

[Flip]

Me and your dog.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Erickson]

And just did not know any of the words. Flubbed it on a major stage. I don't understand.

[Joe Button]

I don't understand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I don't get it.

[Tanner]

I've seen a lot of people. People do that, like at the tributes. And if I. I'm doing a tribute to ll. If I'm doing a tribute to Eminem fam. You know for weeks that you're gonna.

[Joe Button]

Do the tribute, right?

[Tanner]

Get the words.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I've asked artists that question before. Like, how do y' all that up? And the answer is that I seem to get most nervous. No. Is that you think you know. It's like when you do karaoke and you think you know a song until you have to sing it without. Without somebody else singing it with you. They overestimate their preparation. They. They under prepare. They think they already know.

[Erickson]

But the DJ was Hype manning her. And there was vocals in the background track.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So all you had to do.

[Joe Button]

I also don't think that their casting list consisted of a bunch of people who loved Outcasts.

[Erickson]

Well, I. I will say Tyler the creator came out and did Bombs Over.

[Joe Button]

Baghdad Boy smoked.

[Erickson]

He smoked that.

[Joe Button]

He sound like somebody loved Outcast and.

[Erickson]

Knew like, he was. He was gesturing to the world like he knew the words. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't just like. Like, I learned this song for this performance. Like, he embodied that performance.

[Ish]

Tyler also loves hip hop.

[Erickson]

He does.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. But they looking for star power.

[Tanner]

Of course. I get it.

[Joe Button]

You accepted the role, right?

[Tanner]

Learn the words.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

And you're an artist. How hard is it for you to memorize raps? It ain't for you. It's muscle.

[Joe Button]

No, that's not true. Depending on the rap.

[Erickson]

Depending on the rap. But that part, the bridge is easy, bro. That's. That's just.

[Tanner]

It's muscle memory for you after you get in the.

[Joe Button]

I was happy. She was fucking it up, though. I was fucking it up with her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good.

[Joe Button]

Yo, that's dis. It was two seconds where I Was like, h. Am I wrong or is she. Who's wrong here? Someone doesn't know the words to this. Oh, man.

[Erickson]

But J did well doing. Doing Andre doing Elevators, I think it was. Yeah, he smoked it. He smoked it. I would expect nothing less. Salt, pepper, shoe was amazing and sad.

[Joe Button]

Why? Well, for the announcement during the speech where they was like.

[Erickson]

And I think that actually goes to the conversation that we've had up here when we were raking salt and peppa. Like, I feel like they kind of was. They kind of get underappreciated. And that may be because their hasn't been on streaming this whole time.

[Tanner]

Yo, dog, I said that was the argument I made before.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

Like, yo, fam, we don't have all these female artists if there's no salt and pepper.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, for sure.

[Flip]

What was it?

[Erickson]

Announcement is on streaming and they're battling for it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

They're not being talked about it and haven't been paid for quite some time. All this time, we in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and we're not gonna pay.

[Ish]

They're suing umg. We spoke on this.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, we did. Okay.

[Ish]

There is. I think it's 35 years. After 35 years in their contract, they were supposed to be able to get their rights, get their masters back, and UMG is not trying to give their masters back to them. Now the 35 years have passed, so that's what this lawsuit is over. And what they're accusing UMG of is trying to basically tank the value by not putting it on any streaming, anything like. So right now you can't even go listen to their music.

[Erickson]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

And they can't get it to put it up there themselves. So it's like our shit just don't exist. It's in the hands of somebody that shouldn't have it. And we just ass out. Yeah.

[Flip]

Fucked up industry, yo, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's really fucked up. So I put a couple records out last month, one of which I thought was actually decent in a video that I really liked. Yeah. And she's like, I'm not putting. She's not even putting her individual music in other places as a protest to what's going on. So I'm hoping they get their rights back. Back soon, man. It's insane.

[Joe Button]

There was a video the other day that our girl Sinead Harnett put out where she was talking about her biggest song that we done played 90 million times, if you let me. And she was saying how whatever deal she was in, she was very Young and she wasn't getting paid from her biggest song. She said a lot more than this. But the Cliff Note version was. She was saying, yo, as an independent act, it took me so long to even find a song that would be played. So when I finally got one with if you let me, I wasn't being paid for it. And all these years go by and now TikTok, somebody on TikTok has made a house version of the song. So now I'm being paid, and now somebody's calling saying, hey, I do have royalties that they hid from me. So it was beautiful what she said. It hurt, but it was beautiful to hear her get her. Just do the same with salt and pepper. Y' all are absolutely right.

[Tanner]

Think about hip hop royalty. I don't. No disrespect. I don't know what they do, but fam, they could potentially, like, fucked up. And then Dire Straits and you got potential income that you can't get. You've devoted your life to hip hop.

[Joe Button]

Stop.

[Erickson]

And to be clear, these are massive records. This is not like they just were some underground group and we're like crying crocodile tears.

[Tanner]

What a man.

[Flip]

Shoot all that.

[Tanner]

Push it all that. It was smash hit.

[Erickson]

Let's talk about sex.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shoot alone. I mean, hey, Herbie Love, he performed.

[Erickson]

With them, which was amazing to see. It was up there. Yeah, he accepted the award with them. That was great to see.

[Joe Button]

Herbie Love Bug was him. Him.

[Tanner]

He was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And don't get enough credit as a songwriter, as a producer, all that shit.

[Erickson]

It was funny seeing Kid and play come out. They did the beginning of the dance and then just never came back out.

[Joe Button]

And did not one of them niggas.

[Ish]

Achilles fucked up.

[Joe Button]

Achilles show. The Achilles get you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There was some. Just Salt N Pepper and Warren Zevin.

[Erickson]

Zevon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Zevon. I think I'll never say that. Thank you. Were awarded for musical influence. And then there were the performer categories. Bad Company was honored. Chubby Checker was honored.

[Erickson]

I was shocked that he wasn't already.

[Tanner]

Me too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, people be in there for, like, sometimes people. I feel like every year there's people who be like, weren't they already in there? And they in there for one category but not for another. Because that happened last year with a couple people. We were talking about Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, Soundgarden, Joe Coker and the white suit Cocker. Is it cocker? I always think I'm saying it wrong. Thank you.

[Joe Button]

The Joe Cocker performance was most people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pronounce pronounced in the uk. Pronounced they don't say Cocker or Cockburn. They say Coburn because it sounds like. But I didn't. I never knew how to say his name. Okay.

[Erickson]

Over here we say Joe.

[Joe Button]

What they say in the uk he.

[Erickson]

Is British because he's British.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you see why that would be a relevant point?

[Flip]

Just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just acknowledge you ain't. No, he's British.

[Erickson]

The Joe Cocker performance was probably the best of the night.

[Flip]

It was the last one for my friend. That one. That.

[Erickson]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

He has a couple other massive records that you might not know are attributed to him. And I'm drawing a blank. But there's. There's several. All the White Soul guys are British, bro. And girls.

[Joe Button]

God damn.

[Erickson]

The Sly Stone tribute at the beginning was amazing. It was Maxwell. It was quest love. It was. It was array of artists that opened up with a Sly Stone tribute which was also beautiful. Beautiful. It's totally worth watching. Like I said, it is long. You can skip around.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna watch it.

[Erickson]

The White Stripes got inducted. Shout out to Jack White. That performance was actually at the 21 pilots. You like white music? Is that the name of the kind of Polkish band they actually bodied the. Yeah, they bodied that. They bodied.

[Flip]

Shout out to everybody.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna go check it out. I'm going to watch.

[Erickson]

Yeah, no, it's definitely worth. Worth a watch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they're going to trim it down for January 1st on ABC. So that four and a half version will probably turn into two hour version on ABC on New Year's Day.

[Erickson]

A couple of the induction speeches were.

[Joe Button]

Really bet Hip Hop Awards. Yeah, we got the money.

[Erickson]

Jim Carrey was up there for like an hour. There was a bunch of people up there just rambling. Iggy Pop was up. You know, it's like, all right, dog. I wanna.

[Joe Button]

Jim Carrey is really high on my favorite white people guy list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did sounds like White Denzel to me.

[Erickson]

He brought Soundgarden, I believe.

[Joe Button]

And.

[Erickson]

And it was good. It was just like all right dog.

[Joe Button]

Like enough.

[Ish]

We got it.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Also one of them award shows I was at in LA at the hotel. I was way too excited to see Kid and play in the lobby of the hotel.

[Erickson]

I don't blame you.

[Tanner]

Why?

[Erickson]

That's kid and play.

[Joe Button]

No, it's good. No, I'm saying I love kitten play. I get that. But it's one of those sightings, like if you were naming the people right now that you gonna get super excited to see, you might leave kids, kid.

[Ish]

And play off the list until you See him.

[Joe Button]

Until you see Kid and play.

[Erickson]

You want to dance and he's on together.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It ain't like catching one, you know what I mean? I caught both of y' all together.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I gotta shout. I gotta shout them out, man. I don't really remember no Kid in play Turmoil. I don't want to age this part out. I don't remember them beefing. And that's when Kid was the biggest rapper in the world.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's kind of dope.

[Joe Button]

Them dudes is fly. It was funny seeing Kid without the. He got some little curl chin. I don't know what was going on, but. And they were so sweet, yo. Like super sweet, humble, down to earth fans of me and hip hop. And just shout out to the heads, man. Shout out to the heads and congrats to everybody that made it in.

[Erickson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

What else. What else do we have?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you think? Just one more question about that.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like Chubby Checker. A couple people didn't show up, and we knew why. Some, like, with the White Stripes. It was like some. A little bit of band turmoil.

[Erickson]

That's his. But Meg White is his wife.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And they thought she was coming. He shouted her out, but she didn't come. But Chubby Checker didn't show up. This is the question I asked. Chubby Checker didn't show up because he said he had a paid gig.

[Erickson]

Hey, man. Hey, y' all not paying me to be here.

[Tanner]

Is that it might speak to the.

[Ish]

Where am I at financially, bro? I might need that thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I took from it. I didn't take it as him dissing the Rockefeller. I was just like, damn, I got bills in my 80s. If I still got to take a working gig from this. That says a lot about how this industry treated me. I just thought that was important. Like, Chubby Checker didn't disrespect the. The event. Like he got to be able still be working. I just think that's crazy.

[Erickson]

Chapel.

[Flip]

Ron.

[Erickson]

Our girl brought in Cyndi Lauper and she couldn't read the teleprompter. So that was a bit of.

[Joe Button]

A.

[Erickson]

Bit of a struggle. It's like a 20 minute.

[Joe Button]

Cyndi Lauper is white. Shaka Khan.

[Erickson]

I'm not gonna go that far, but she was.

[Joe Button]

She.

[Erickson]

She got a couple slaps that are undeniable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I didn't mean talent wise.

[Ish]

You mean she going get up there.

[Joe Button]

I didn't mean talent wise at all.

[Flip]

Yes, absolutely.

[Joe Button]

Cindy Loer. I expect to go up there and not give a about that teleprom.

[Erickson]

Yeah. Her and the girl Ray bodied time after time. Actually. That was dope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was dope.

[Joe Button]

If you love, I will be waiting. Yeah.

[Erickson]

My man Lou was trying to throw dirt on Cindy Loer's name, but then they went through the slaps. I mean, she might not have a ton of slaps, but her slaps are.

[Tanner]

They were slaps.

[Joe Button]

You can't do that to Cindy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the 80s. Yeah. You couldn't say.

[Erickson]

And just her style and like I. Iconness, if that's a word is. Is unmatched.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, she's one of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

And she was a good vocalist, actually.

[Joe Button]

She.

[Erickson]

She had a weird style, but she had range like she could. She could belt.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I only appreciate Michael.

[Flip]

You say Michael was pissed off.

[Erickson]

She was a good asshole.

[Flip]

Michael said, that's a production thing. Michael's like, Michael was so mad.

[Erickson]

Everybody ain't good for every song. And she was not good on that one.

[Flip]

She said, wow, wow, wow. Michael said.

[Joe Button]

Everybody, I need a smoke break. I don't need a smoke, bro. I need a smoke break.

[Flip]

Prince had them. They was waving. Prince too.

[Joe Button]

They should show us more footage when artists ain't vibing. Yo, bro, cuz, I don't blame Michael Jackson. Michael's looking at straight after the awards. Yeah, it's late. I'm one Take Sammy out. This like Stevie Wonder over there.

[Ish]

Why do we have to stay later? Cause this.

[Joe Button]

No. And the other day was Huey Lewis and Homeboy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a few people I thought should.

[Joe Button]

Be doing better now. Who else? Homeboy, I don't know, but him.

[Tanner]

Now.

[Joe Button]

Bruce.

[Erickson]

Bruce Wayne State was funking it up in there, bro.

[Tanner]

Michael Jackson was over there looking up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Notice of the pattern.

[Flip]

They said Stevie Wonder was able to do Bruce Springsteen's part for him. Like some ill. They were saying about Steve, he was AI before AI.

[Joe Button]

Like Stevie Wonder could have done everybody part.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tanner]

Michael was in the corner like, boy, if I was 20 pounds.

[Joe Button]

What. I know my man's name. Bruce Springsteen used to spray tan, man.

[Erickson]

Probably. He's from Jersey.

[Tanner]

He's from.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying that.

[Erickson]

White, white, whites in Jersey. Do some spray tan.

[Ish]

South Jersey.

[Tanner]

He from down there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I know.

[Ish]

That's why he's back.

[Joe Button]

He looked a little darker during that whole B.O. in the U.S. i was born in the U.S. i'm like, yes, brother.

[Flip]

Yo, that's where you got your vest from.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they was y. I.

[Erickson]

So you said. I didn't realize you were paying homage to Jersey.

[Flip]

The Whole time.

[Joe Button]

Asbury Park. That's crazy. Y.

[Erickson]

Long Branch.

[Joe Button]

Asbury Park. Yo, shout out to Asbury Park. Anytime I was at Locked up up or in a rehab, dumb white boys from over there, I just respect it. Now, I ain't never been there, but when say they from Asbury Park, I kind of got a good visual of what you is like. Like the trenches in Asbury Park. Yeah, Jersey is big. I gotta really explore jerseys. Yeah, they say it's some sundown towns out here.

[Ish]

I told you all about the time.

[Joe Button]

I never heard of those things. They ain't far.

[Tanner]

20 minutes away.

[Erickson]

I still want to go a little.

[Tanner]

By Clark, by where I live.

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Flip]

God damn.

[Joe Button]

Well, well.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You walk right in this, bro that you did.

[Joe Button]

That face walked in, took his shoes off.

[Flip]

Hey, buddy dog. Hey, boss.

[Tanner]

Yeah, yo, not far.

[Ish]

Hey, they ain't that far.

[Tanner]

Not far at all.

[Joe Button]

What they going to do if we drive down there? Yep. Oh, the cops.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, dog. The cops stopped us and said. The cops stopped us and was like, where y' all going? We going to Atlantic City. Well, stay on the expressway. Don't come back when you come back. Don't come through this way no more.

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Ish]

Yeah, we. We just took the. It's like a back row. A black.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You told you were an informant?

[Ish]

No, I.

[Flip]

He said, check me.

[Tanner]

I'm one of y'. All.

[Flip]

He said, I'm CI44.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I said.

[Joe Button]

Popped the glove compartment, got that white face out. No, freeze. Got the white face in the car, in the trunk or some. Hold on, Officer. Give me a second. Nah, nah, I gotta do this. Prize picks ad. But we was talking about Michael Jackson. Did y' all see the fake Michael Jackson? Mad at the real Jackson that they casted to be fake Michael Jackson Jackson.

[Erickson]

I fortunately missed that. I saw he was mad.

[Flip]

Not the one that was on the Broadway.

[Tanner]

Who was the fake?

[Joe Button]

This is good.

[Tanner]

Who's the fake? The Broadway dud.

[Joe Button]

We don't know that he's. We don't know because he didn't talk. He watched the trailer silently. Made some faces, and in every blog that picked it up was like, he mad. Look at this. Mad at the casting.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

He didn't replied and said that he. He wasn't mad, but if you watch it, he was mad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was a little tired.

[Joe Button]

But what.

[Ish]

That's like, what old boy ain't get that PAC feature, The one that's running around looking like Tupac.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I forgot about that.

[Ish]

Yeah, going to the basketball games, all that looking like Tupac. And then when they did the Tupac movie, they got everybody but him.

[Joe Button]

The fake Michael Jackson. Does he does look like. Yeah, he looks like Michael Jackson, but you don't get to be mad if the person they casted is actually a Jackson to me.

[Ish]

Could just do Mike better than you. That's it.

[Erickson]

Could be that, too.

[Tanner]

Yo, don't even.

[Ish]

It don't matter how good you look if you can't act, if you can't do the part.

[Tanner]

Even if he can't. It's my nephew.

[Joe Button]

I'm hiring my nephew to do it, even though there's some stories. Is it a nephew?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's his nephew.

[Joe Button]

Stop it. Stories.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm mad at y' all for thinking that Michael Jackson impersonators are reasonable, irrational. Like, why doesn't he just see it's his nephew? They're crazy people. Almost every Michael Jackson. They're like Elvis impersonators. No disrespect. I don't want no smoke with none of y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Erickson]

Or Imani.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, or Imani. But, like, they're crazy. A lot of them start to think that they're Michael Jackson, so they're judging. They're not like, is this impersonator better than me? They're like, I'm Michael Jackson, and you're not doing a good job of being me.

[Ish]

That's like, the video they have.

[Joe Button]

I know I'm crazy. I agree with them. If I wake up every day and I put on something and I go outside, oh, shit, it's fucking Mike.

[Flip]

Mike.

[Joe Button]

And Mike is dead.

[Ish]

He ain't gonna go to the same.

[Joe Button]

Acme as me then. Guess who's Mike now? Sorry.

[Erickson]

You ain't see.

[Joe Button]

Sorry.

[Ish]

It was a video with one of the Mike impersonators, and he watching another Mike in person. Yeah, like, yo, he's doing all right. It's me. You, not Mike.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying, people.

[Ish]

Crazy.

[Erickson]

In my hometown, Omara, there's a Jimi Hendrix that is not Jimi Hendrix. That I think still. Hopefully he's still around. Shout out to Jimi Hendrix of Omar. He's not all the way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shocker.

[Tanner]

That's Jamie Hendrix.

[Ish]

But he'll.

[Erickson]

He'll tell you stories of, like, tour.

[Joe Button]

Oh.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

All right. That's another level.

[Tanner]

Elmira got that?

[Erickson]

Yeah. Good stuff out there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, it's time for our favorite part of the show. Prize Picks. All right, this episode is brought to you by Prize Picks. You and I make decisions every day. But on Prize Picks, being right can get you paid. So don't miss out on any of the excitement this sports season on prize picks. Whether you're a football fan, a basketball fan, or a fan of both like myself, it always feels good to be right. Prize picks is really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is pick more or less. Want at least two players, stat projections and if you're right, you could cash in big. Prizepix also now offer stacks, meaning you can pick the same player up to three times in the same lineup. Want to pick more on Steph Curry's points, three pointers and assists? Now you can pick all of them in the same lineup only on prize picks. Now some people are telling me that we hit this weekish. Got the Joe and his peak fix. Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Joe and ish. It's more like ish and ish.

[Joe Button]

Let's see what the Joe and Ish picks is hitting for now. All right, we are going with Jaylen Warren for over 19 and a half receiving yards. That's ish, man. It's like Jaylen Warren.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Sam Darnold for over three and a half rush yards. Okay. DK Metcalf. Look, look, it's getting scary. Over 51 and a half receiving yards. He due for a bounce back. Yeah, he's due for a bounce back.

[Tanner]

One pass for him.

[Joe Button]

He do four bounce back game. And Evan Ingram for more than 22 and a half receiving yards. Okay, okay. Let me add some Joe Spice on that. JT Whatever the he feels like doing out. Boy, he saved me from that Bo Nicks blunder Thursday night. I knew it was lit. I started getting a bunch of texts. Oh, man. Oh, JT. JT I opened that session, said 55 fantasy points. God damn.

[Tanner]

Tanner had PPR. I played him.

[Joe Button]

PPR.

[Tanner]

I played Tanner.

[Joe Button]

He had him. Oh, my Lord. Nah, but you know how good it feels as a fantasy owner. Cause that game was 9:00am him.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was an early joint match.

[Tanner]

Over in Berlin, I think.

[Joe Button]

Hey. Hey. Before 1:00 o' clock start, I want my fantasy matchup to be what it is. I don't even think I watched football this weekend.

[Ish]

I. I didn't watch it either. I did.

[Tanner]

Yo, him and a Shane a chain.

[Erickson]

He's nice.

[Joe Button]

They doing a little bit. A little bit.

[Erickson]

And the lighting.

[Joe Button]

You y' all still.

[Erickson]

Yeah. And like he drove by the Bills bar and trolled him afterwards. Yeah, there's a Bills bar down in Miami. So he pulled. He lived right by there, he says. So he pulled the. Pulled by with the windows down and.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, don't forget to Download the app right this second and use promo code JBP for your chance to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks, where it's good to be. Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

All right. And it's good to be writing fantasy. Oh, man. And then I felt a little better after that Justin Herbert, first half on. On Sunday night. Because he looked like b Knicks. Yeah, he did. But he did pick. He picked it up. Him and McConkey.

[Tanner]

He turned up.

[Flip]

Sure did.

[Joe Button]

Thanks, Keenan Allen, for that whole three points or whatever. Congrats.

[Erickson]

Yeah, he set the record for. I forget what.

[Tanner]

But he has the most receptions in charge of his history.

[Joe Button]

It. And I loved Antonio Gates being in the building for that.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Who was my old school fantasy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was the go to forever before.

[Tanner]

People was picking up tight ends early.

[Ish]

You'll get him on.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. When they said Gates fell off, I was like, no, he didn't.

[Erickson]

Yeah, he a Rivers boy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Rivers was going to get Gates that ball. All right. So the Giants fired their head coach.

[Erickson]

D. Yeah, I don't love that.

[Joe Button]

Before we get to that, I watched some of that Giants game, and y' all know I ain't about to sit in football y' all to death. Yeah, I watched the Giants game, and in the fourth quarter on fourth and one, D. Decided to kick the field goal because they was up. They had 20. Whatever they had, it was. And I'm sitting there saying, if they lose this game, this will be why the announcers are sitting there saying, oh, if this could come back to haunt you. Sure enough, I checked the phone. 24 to 20.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Erickson]

Caleb showed up.

[Joe Button]

Outside of that, I like him. He's having a good year. Go Ben Johnson. Yeah, Go Ben Johnson. Really doing some things over here. Totally turned around. Who's the second year receiver they got last year? Arunde. I'm always my name up. Yeah. Totally turned around that often.

[Tanner]

His father wrote some shit on Twitter. I saw him that was funny. Say, yo, Chicago, could you please trade my son to somebody that's gonna throw him the ball?

[Joe Button]

Oh, also, Marvin Harrison said some shit about the Cardinals and his son. Both sons have come out and said, my dad is my dad. Yeah. He don't speak for me. I'm letting you athletes know, if your dad say something, I think he's speaking for you.

[Ish]

Especially if your dad is Marvin Harrison, right?

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Do y' all think that's fair or unfair, though? Like, should Marvin Harrison. He is who he is. But you didn't play for the Cardinals. Like, should he Be able to kind of make it tougher for his kid in the building? Or is he a dad and he's a Hall of Famer, so you let him say what he wants? What do y' all stand on that?

[Ish]

Hall of Famer, bro.

[Tanner]

I think you can make it hard for your kid. I see it. I understand it. I just think as a professional, you played this game. And so you know what comes with it. You know what I'm saying? I think you gotta chill out. Unless it's just totally, totally egregious, like your kid's getting minutes.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Tanner]

He's the number one there.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Tanner]

It ain't like he a bum over there and they benching him or he fourth string. He's the number one there. So I just think that, you know, as a professional, you played this game, you gotta kinda chill out sometimes.

[Erickson]

I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, your name carries a certain weight and it's gonna get attached to your kid regardless. So you gotta kinda just walk that line. Unless y' all have a relationship that's so distant that people know that you know, or people know you like. Like if Lavar Ball says something, nobody necessarily puts it on Lonzo or Melo because they know that they're so different, man.

[Ish]

Or plausible deniability.

[Joe Button]

Pops.

[Ish]

Go ahead and say it so that I. That way I can save face over here in the league. You say what I really want to say. But I gotta do this the right way.

[Tanner]

It could. It could. Even with the Lamar Ball example, bro, when Lonzo first came, he had a target on his back. Cause your father had talked so much shit in the off season. Now guards like, yo, come get this.

[Joe Button]

This right.

[Tanner]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

So if it were me, I would want my dad to be silent.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Ish]

It's professional.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even.

[Joe Button]

Even if I agreed.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Even if I'm giving him the tea.

[Tanner]

It's bumps and bruises.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me.

[Joe Button]

It's my turn now.

[Tanner]

N that?

[Ish]

Speak up.

[Erickson]

So do you like DEO being fired?

[Joe Button]

I don't love him being fired in the middle of the season. I understand why they did it. The experts are saying he was running Dart straight into Concussion. Straight city. Too much.

[Erickson]

I mean, that's unfair. He's a rookie quarterback. He's going to be making some rookie quarterback decisions out there that may put himself in bad position.

[Joe Button]

The experts are saying that dart had 25 designed run plays. Leads the league in that, even though he didn't play the first four weeks. They're saying that's a lot. I'm not a Football guy. It is a lot. I don't know what's going on.

[Tanner]

It's a lot. But I think a lot of times how you run the ball as a quarterback matters.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, for sure, bro.

[Tanner]

He won't slide, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was Mike Vicks problem back in the day.

[Tanner]

Like, yeah, he's not sliding, fam. Like, yo, if I go get 14 yards and I move the chains slide, dog, he go ahead.

[Joe Button]

That Cam Scatterbo is in him. Like they. They two peas of the same pot.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Crazy white boys. Asbury Park. Asbury Park. Let's go all that.

[Tanner]

Yeah, dog.

[Ish]

I just, I. I just.

[Tanner]

My thing is, I don't like when we don't give head coaches a fair shake. Like, give me three years. Give me. And especially in New York, the media is so powerful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How much time did he have? He's had three.

[Tanner]

He had three years, but he just got a quarterback his first year.

[Erickson]

He took him to the playoffs. Let's start there.

[Joe Button]

And won a quarter game.

[Tanner]

Never had a number one receiver until last year. You gotta think about all the injuries that Saquon had. They give away Saquon, who's basically a franchise player. Y' all give him away for nothing. You get what I'm saying? Like, he's had some adversity, fam. Like, I don't. I just don't like when they don't really get a fair shake. Think his number one quarterback starting off was Russell Wilson. They benched him what, week three.

[Flip]

You don't think three years is long enough? Ish.

[Tanner]

Yeah, if you have a consistency. He hasn't had a consistent team again, he don't have a one receiver now. I don't got a one running back now. Nobody knew Scatterbow was going to do what he did.

[Joe Button]

See, I think Sean got to go.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's what could be. My point is that I think that.

[Joe Button]

The GM is the GM being there.

[Erickson]

He's made some egregious decisions.

[Joe Button]

It's been bad, bad on that gm. And then as soon as it happened, they start putting all these clips out about how he didn't want dark.

[Tanner]

So the GM did.

[Joe Button]

The gm. No, the GM wanted to do a dun.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I don't like. I like football guys. And D to me is a football guy. I would have. I would have kept him.

[Tanner]

Yeah, I would have kept him too.

[Joe Button]

I would have kept dunes. Somebody else. I'm confused, Confusing. But they're showing clips that he didn't want. Darling, I think the GM has to go. Dable, I thought was a Good was a good coach.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

He could coach football, right?

[Ish]

You think he bounced back?

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah, he's definitely gonna get an OC job. At the very least, a white coach.

[Ish]

Nigga, he gonna get picked up that.

[Joe Button]

That can coach. That can coach. So. No, he'll be.

[Tanner]

He ain't got personality.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, he'll be fine. He'll be fine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of GMs getting fired, Nico Harrison was just fired.

[Erickson]

Oh, wow.

[Tanner]

You lying.

[Joe Button]

Just to be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To be expected, let's say. No surprises there.

[Joe Button]

To be expected.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But again, maybe the only surprises that.

[Tanner]

Is happening right now in November, 10 games in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I thought he'd been fired two months ago, you know what I mean? But GM of the Dallas Mavericks fired less than a year after the trade that probably ensured his firing.

[Joe Button]

Well, two months ago, they probably still were celebrating the Cooper Flag pick like he's still on a high. Nobody is trashing Nico. Two, three months ago. If you start 2 and 9, 2 and 12, then we gotta have different conversations.

[Tanner]

You bought an ad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ad's hurt, but everybody's hurt. That's why again, it's like y' all Giants conversation to me.

[Joe Button]

AD is hurt, Kyrie is hurt, and.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cooper Flag is a rookie.

[Joe Button]

Right. And boy, if, if, if. If I were a misogynist podcast, I would have some fun with the Klay Thompson slump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's.

[Joe Button]

I'm telling y', all, I skipped it. I skipped it the last two pods just cause I'm the wrong person to have fun with that type of topic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And. And however, it's the same like.

[Joe Button]

Like park said after Keno come in cooking, you just want to go to bed like that. Yeah. After y' all eat, y' all don't feel like going to work.

[Tanner]

Turkey legs.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, y'.

[Tanner]

All.

[Joe Button]

Y' all don't feel like potting after that. Like Klay Thompson over there, he's probably full.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Eating some food. He ain't never ate. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Lots of stuff.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, man, his haircut changed. We know what time it is, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad they happy, man. She got hitman as husband in her phone, in her contacts. Like, they're at that stage of the relationship, so they're really happy. I think he's just.

[Joe Button]

Is that true? Yeah. How do we know that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Her phone went off.

[Joe Button]

You told us. Yeah. What y' all got y' all wives and y' all phones ass name.

[Erickson]

I misspelled her name because she misspelled my name on a flyer one time.

[Joe Button]

So you always doing some smooth. I Thought that was smooth. Like it was personal. It's the inside joke. Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of fly. Freeze.

[Ish]

Wifey with some emojis and mine says.

[Erickson]

Wife after the misspelling.

[Joe Button]

How many emojis? How many emojis?

[Erickson]

I got like four of mine. Maybe five.

[Joe Button]

Three or four. Okay, big is her name. Just her name, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like a nickname?

[Tanner]

No, her name.

[Joe Button]

Emojis.

[Erickson]

Picture.

[Joe Button]

Android's got emoji.

[Ish]

Got a picture of her saved to the contact.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is like Tommy's job.

[Joe Button]

Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just her name, no emojis, no emojis. She got emojis on mine. That made me think I need to do some emojis.

[Erickson]

You guys.

[Flip]

Just her name.

[Tanner]

I just got dick.

[Flip]

She's got what?

[Tanner]

I have a dick.

[Flip]

Oh, I just got dick. I was like, what?

[Erickson]

I think I still got bugs.

[Ish]

What are you suggesting we don't because we have emojis that we not true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, what? You got your lady as her name. This tracks.

[Flip]

No, no emojis. No emojis.

[Joe Button]

What you got your network members ass.

[Flip]

Oh, but you got your network members ass.

[Joe Button]

Their names?

[Flip]

Yeah, they checked you.

[Joe Button]

They names. Wait, who checked me?

[Flip]

Don't, please don't stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't go down this room. Don't go down this room.

[Joe Button]

I'm telling you. Wait there.

[Flip]

Chat you my man. Don't I told I got it out for you.

[Joe Button]

Let's.

[Flip]

Let's move on. My network names are the people names. My wife name is her name.

[Joe Button]

Look at me. I want to know when you do like that. I. I want to know like I want to know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to save you.

[Flip]

Trying to save me?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Oh yeah, no.

[Flip]

I heard they prefer words than the counter words. You even have the nerve.

[Joe Button]

Chill, Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's your little man.

[Flip]

You can't cover that. Plus miles I like the lip. You know n got all that tongue book in a rapper nick that it's fact stupid. I like when you do that, cuz. He I'm saying what you going to do? You're going to let me say it then you going to have my man take it out. I promise you.

[Joe Button]

Oh, okay, Go ahead.

[Flip]

Yeah, I'm not going to play with my man like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I said keep moving.

[Joe Button]

I ain't scared of him.

[Erickson]

That you should be a little bit scared of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Keep moving.

[Joe Button]

Oh damn.

[Flip]

Even he got some shit on me too. He got got some for us.

[Erickson]

I'm saying he's going to say some that you we just going to have.

[Joe Button]

To stop for y' all Never watched old.

[Ish]

The old Western.

[Joe Button]

When they challenge the boy. Hey, you got your gun, right?

[Ish]

I got mine outside.

[Joe Button]

Come on. Come on, let's go. In the middle of the thing. But no worries about.

[Erickson]

It's all the eyes.

[Joe Button]

It's about who pulled faster, bro. As I said. Huh? You ever seen the Quick and the Dead? I'm not sure.

[Tanner]

Young Leonardo DiCaprio, Jean Hackman, Sharon Stone.

[Joe Button]

Damn, that sound good.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that was good.

[Joe Button]

That know the white classics.

[Erickson]

He got the white super classics.

[Ish]

You seen that movie?

[Erickson]

I've never seen it.

[Joe Button]

That sound like a fire movie.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I never seen it.

[Joe Button]

I'mma check it out. We'll sh you later. I'll get back to you.

[Ish]

I ain't seen that.

[Joe Button]

Where were we? D Listen, man, and don't find me. We way past that.

[Ish]

What is she saved as in your phone?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He jumped back two segments. Let's get past the mavericks, all that. What is she in the phone at?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Close the laptop, open the phone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He tried to check his contacts real quick.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Let's see. Okay, let me see.

[Tanner]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Flip]

Are you a bird?

[Joe Button]

Why do you keep looking at my phone? Mine says love of my life. All right. There's three emojis.

[Tanner]

All right.

[Joe Button]

Floating hearts. Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Would do. I was just thinking, like putting wife in your phone. I guess some dudes would not do that because then when your phone ring when you're outside. Wife. That's not the reason I don't do it. I just never thought about it till right now. I'm considering changing it to wife now. Would y'. All. Would you change yours to wife?

[Flip]

Yeah, I would. I would.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You would consider it or you would do it?

[Erickson]

Consider.

[Flip]

Depends on how I feel.

[Joe Button]

But for when your wife calls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Hey, I'm ready now. I'm ready.

[Flip]

Listen, listen. We've been hearing about calls.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ah, fuck.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't give a fuck.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't do it.

[Joe Button]

Don't do it.

[Flip]

Don't do a flip flop you been hearing about. Stop, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let him live. Let him live.

[Joe Button]

I. I believe that I heard some of whatever y' all heard to so.

[Flip]

All right. I don't want to do it.

[Erickson]

Leave me alone.

[Joe Button]

I think whatever y' all heard, I think I heard some of it too. I think. I think I heard it.

[Flip]

And I don't want to play with the og She.

[Joe Button]

I don't like all of it. I don't like all of it.

[Flip]

In my head, I'm like, right. Is this true?

[Joe Button]

Some of that you just know is not true, though.

[Tanner]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what makes it funny to me, because I know it's not true.

[Joe Button]

You're gonna know if I planned a threesome.

[Flip]

Oh, no, no.

[Joe Button]

You'll know. You'll be able to tell. There'll be signs of when. Hey, this was a joke.

[Flip]

But I was. About that.

[Joe Button]

Okay, okay. What topic were we on?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We were just moving off of the. The Mavericks thing.

[Joe Button]

Did we get to Sebastian Telfair?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what we going.

[Joe Button]

That's. Yeah, let's talk about Sebastian Telfair, y'. All. I'm sure y' all got a glowing review. I'm gonna shut up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So for those who don't know, Sebastian.

[Joe Button]

Telfair is in Fort Dix having his last conversation with Puff that he's ever gonna have.

[Flip]

His.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His new documentary just premiered on YouTube.

[Joe Button]

Before he turned himself in, he did record himself in the projects. Took it back to the projects where it all started. I can't wait for rappers and athletes to stop glorifying nycha. I really cannot wait. I cannot wait.

[Ish]

Boy, that ain't just.

[Joe Button]

We so misguided. We so misguided. Anyway, he took the people on a.

[Flip]

Tour of where he lives.

[Tanner]

Of Coney Island.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, man.

[Tanner]

Didn't he grow up in Coney Island? Right.

[Erickson]

Maybe so.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

I think so.

[Flip]

I don't know.

[Tanner]

Yeah, Coney Island.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For those who don't know, he's a former NBA player, a star. Drafted. Not star, but drafted. Star star before he was.

[Tanner]

He was a star in high school.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, high school star, NBA player, New.

[Joe Button]

York City star for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

New York City star for sure. Drafted in 04, I believe, by the Trailblazers, and then was a bit of a journeyman into the plane in China, but get to the team he had. But some people don't know who he is.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He made $19 million as an NBA player. He had $32 million in endorsements. Apparently, he hasn't. Didn't receive all of that. A lot of that he didn't get. But the point is, he made lots of money. And in this new documentary, he talks about his life, but he also talks about the fact that he's back in the projects, which for me was heartbreaking. Heartbreaking. Not shocking, because I just see too many NBA players like that, but going through tens of millions of dollars and ended up back in the projects. That you lived in an NBA was a way to get out of the projects is crazy to me.

[Joe Button]

I got a little clip for the people that didn't hear it. Like, to hear it. Here it goes. We ain't sugarcoat nothing. Look, we ain't got no keys. This how you get your mail?

[Ish]

Oh, he doing like MTV Cribs.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You ain't got no mail.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We good.

[Erickson]

Sort of like that. Like the red band one.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah. They use his fingernail to open, not kick a while. He down, boy. Take the high road, champ. I know how it look. I saw the same. Take the high road.

[Joe Button]

I'm not gonna do whatever you think I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna do that. Cause I with him. I fuck with him.

[Flip]

I fuck with him, too.

[Joe Button]

Fuck with him, and I with Brooklyn. Who did he think was sending him mail?

[Flip]

Are you crazy?

[Joe Button]

He opened his mailbox with his fingernail, looked in there and said, ain't no mail. Well, gotta keep it trucking. Hey, I'm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you struggle, you'd be hoping that check come. Yeah, you'd be hoping that last endorsement check or that last.

[Joe Button]

Yes, I'm ducking the mailbox.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, me too.

[Tanner]

Shit.

[Erickson]

Full of bills.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't nothing but bills in it. You know that one check you waiting on?

[Joe Button]

Look, we ain't got no keys. This how you get your mail. Get your mail.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't got no mail. We good.

[Flip]

Can't come in here.

[Joe Button]

We good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotta sign a waiver to come in.

[Joe Button]

2,940. See, I'm gonna show y'. All. I'm gonna pause it again. Who does Sebastian think wants to come with him here? Like, do you hear his commentary? I'm blown away by his commentary.

[Tanner]

You'd be surprised.

[Flip]

And I think he's being funny.

[Tanner]

That he is being funny, but I think you're being surprised, too.

[Flip]

I don't think he'd be surprised.

[Tanner]

Motherfuckers love that shit.

[Erickson]

They do.

[Tanner]

A lot of niggas love that.

[Flip]

I think it's just saying that some of you niggas can't come into this project.

[Joe Button]

That's all.

[Flip]

That's how I took it.

[Tanner]

I was just talking about society at large. They love the ghetto project. Like, motherfuckers that was from the suburbs couldn't wait to come.

[Flip]

Badass.

[Ish]

Look, now, look now. Today they go over the old block and, like, it's a. It's a museum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, it's a tourist site. Yeah.

[Ish]

Take pictures. Hey, look, I'm here, all right?

[Joe Button]

He's taking us through the hallway. More of a gift.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell you the truth.

[Tanner]

Says gift and a curse, but it's more of a gift.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Hey, I'm gonna send you this. Now I'm living them being in the Project is all. This is a mess. Yo. Shit is definitely real. Oh, my God. Jesus.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, this is. Yeah, I'm not playing the video.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is sad. You know, a lot of people, that's.

[Ish]

More mentality than anything.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I want to. It's just take on this as somebody who thinks about money.

[Tanner]

No, I, I. So off, off camera, we were talking intergenerational. Yeah, it was just like, yo, $19 million. What? We look at that number and we immediately think they got $19 million. So basically, the studies show, like, based on 19 million, he might have took home 10. Not saying 10 is a little number. I'm just saying $10 million can be spent. And again, you live in New York, my nigga. Like, if you a millionaire dude living in New York, your house might be 2.5. You get what I'm saying? Like, cars, he was married, he had kids. All of that stuff. You can run through $10 million. It's just not $100 million that he had. So we would be surprised. Like, damn, 10 million.

[Joe Button]

I don't think your conversation just has to do with people that have made $10 million. You can have just poor money.

[Tanner]

Yeah, but no, so, but we were saying, like, damn, 19 million. How can you go through 19?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, it's too much to.

[Ish]

We are starting off with.

[Tanner]

It's not 19, fam. Like, they broke down Jason's contract. Jason Tatum, and he got 600, whatever million, $60 million a year. He was bringing home home 30 of that. 29. $30 million of that. Like, you just look like you made 60 million. No, I really made 30. You get what I'm saying? By the time agent fees, taxes, dues.

[Flip]

All of that, too.

[Joe Button]

We gotta make sure Jason Tatum is okay. He only brought home at 30. Jason Tatum also asked me to get y' all shoe sizes, like, three months ago.

[Erickson]

Oh, thanks.

[Tanner]

Gee, thanks.

[Joe Button]

I forgot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I did get that endorsement, buddy. So he might have actually had. Assuming he didn't get all 30. Let's say he got 10 of the 30.

[Joe Button]

He's.

[Tanner]

Same thing still applies. You still got to pay taxes. You guys still.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm with you. So I'm saying he might have actually had $20 million. He put his hands on it. That's a. I mean, it's like you said, it's a lot of money to run through. And it's not a lot of money to run through be having a million.

[Ish]

Dollars in jewelry and, and then buying your jewelry and buying other cars for other.

[Joe Button]

With children.

[Tanner]

So you Want to put your kids in, in the best school, dog, I'm broke. My divorce, my whatchamacallit is $15,000 childcare school for a three year old. That is expensive, dog. And it ain't the best schools money can buy. It's pre ks. That's 40 grand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, this is one of them situations again, I think it's both. And you know, where it's like it's not as much money as people think and it's easier to run through and there are expenses and you travel and you do all this other shit. But there's also a way that if you got $20 million in your hand, you shouldn't run through all of it.

[Flip]

That's him just, just being.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But we haven't been trained to do that.

[Tanner]

Living a life that's here.

[Flip]

But hold on, listen. That's him being loyal to the hood. Economics and hood folklore. That's all it is. You know, being loyal to the niggas that's around you or that you came up with and trying your best just.

[Ish]

To appease him, or trying to look.

[Flip]

At or keep niggas around. That shit can run out. MC Hammer said the same shit.

[Tanner]

We had a conversation.

[Flip]

MC Hammond went through the same thing.

[Tanner]

The girls from Port Mountain shout out to them and we just discussed like, how are you making decisions? And I don't think that in Sebastian's life he would have ever thought his NBA career would be so short lived. Yes. So that's important too. Like, yo, when you get the money, you think you're gonna have a 1012 year NBA career? Your NBA career could be four years. Four years. You done blessed your mother, your father, your homies, your this, your that, you done spent a bunk of that money. Cause you think your career is gonna last. I'm gonna re up on my next contract. I'm gonna hit these niggas in their head with the max deal and this and this and this. And you might have blown through a real, real, real huge portion of that money early on, thinking it's more that it's longevity there. And it just wasn't, unfortunately. So that's a lot of that shit too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's why we gotta make sure for these high school kids going into college and these colleges going to NBA that they get financial management, financial literacy. Financial literacy. And that's why in schools we need to teach financial literacy. Because to Joe's point, even if you're not going to the NBA, even if you're about to just get a regular.

[Ish]

Job, you still gotta manage it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You still gotta figure out how to save, how to manage, how to make good choices. If you can't afford to buy it twice, you shouldn't buy it once. I mean, there's some very basic principles that'll get you through if you have that kind of guidance. And we don't submit.

[Tanner]

That's the discipline, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's discipline and it's guidance.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Cause some people can get. Like you said, some people can get the information. Still not do it, you know? It's unfortunate, though, Joe, as a. As a.

[Joe Button]

As a star be seeing when I'm thinking something I ain't supposed to be thinking, anyone throw it right to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, sorry.

[Joe Button]

You see my brain over here just working on the island. On an island by itself. Cause y' all right. But get a job, you. Yo, that night's a. Why do we keep pumping that up? Why do we keep pumping it up? Why do we are the only ones that make it look desirable or think that it looked desirable or think it paints.

[Tanner]

We've romanticized it.

[Joe Button]

This mailbox, this elevator, this hallway, this crib, this kitchen. With respect. Cause we all come from. I come from the projects. We all come at some point. Certain shit should not be okay with you anymore.

[Ish]

I agree with you.

[Joe Button]

And if you still here after all that you. You've been through. Oh, my God. I'm just not cutting the camera on, man. I'm not. I'm not.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Hey, I know. It's this thing where, right. Everybody could go to B H and radio check Best Buy, get a camera, and we just cutting on. Monetize, monetize, monetize. Go get right first. Like, go get right first. If y' all not ready to be on a camera. Like, I don't want to see him like this. I was outside for the Sebastian era. That was nutty.

[Flip]

It was.

[Joe Button]

It was absolutely nutty. In New York parks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You saw part of the documentary?

[Erickson]

Yeah, I did. Well, I saw the.

[Joe Button]

The.

[Erickson]

It's probably two, three minute clip.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because the question I had was, is this, like, romanticizing in the. In the doc, or is it saying, like, a cautionary tale, like, don't do what I just did? I haven't seen it yet.

[Ish]

Both.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it both?

[Erickson]

I mean, from the. From the snippet that I saw, he doesn't seem down or like, he's. Sounds like he's kind of having fun in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, then that's when you say it's the dangerous.

[Ish]

But it's more of a gift yeah, yeah. What are we talking about?

[Erickson]

And acceptance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You maybe shouldn't accept.

[Flip]

It's conditioned, bro. Like, he up the money.

[Tanner]

Not a good thing.

[Joe Button]

What's for you? What's for you?

[Flip]

No, it's not what's for him. It's for him, but he's not going to hide it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's where it gets tricky. That's not.

[Flip]

No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. He's not going to hide it. He's going to show you. This is what my mistakes. Whatever mistakes that I made, this is where it got me. And that's how I think it. I met him before. I remember all the hustles. And he tried. He thinking this is where I'm at. That it takes a lot of guts to show. I mean, I agree with you. It takes a lot of guts to do that.

[Tanner]

You got to present that. You got to present that in a way that you are telling other people, yo, don't go down the road that I went down. Don't say, yo, I'm cool over here. Yo. This is more of a. A gift than a cur. Like, I. I didn't see the doctor, so I can't judge it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I need to see it.

[Tanner]

Can't really judge it yet.

[Joe Button]

Y' all didn't see the crib.

[Flip]

Stop that, bro.

[Tanner]

Off that clip.

[Flip]

You serious?

[Joe Button]

I passed it around.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kitchen.

[Flip]

And who dog is that?

[Tanner]

Dog off the clip.

[Ish]

When you sitting there saying, yo, it's people that can't come here to this building like you.

[Tanner]

You.

[Ish]

You proud of this?

[Tanner]

Yeah, True.

[Joe Button]

Look at the kitchen. Come on, man. Oh, wow. This.

[Erickson]

It's a project kitchen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a project kitchen.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on.

[Flip]

I see some nice project kitchen.

[Erickson]

You're right, though. You're right, though. You're right, though.

[Joe Button]

This is not a project kitchen. My grandma was in the kitchen. My family is in. The project's over. This is not just a project kitchen. That's not true.

[Erickson]

A not well maintained.

[Joe Button]

This is loaded.

[Flip]

This is a mess.

[Joe Button]

There's asbestos growing. Nobody should live here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Oh, y' all ain't see.

[Ish]

I don't need to see.

[Flip]

I don't think he lives here, but.

[Joe Button]

Right now, this is the patriarchy. You got the nerve to put some background still.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Appliances and all that?

[Ish]

So you're making. You're making jokes out of this.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Closet.

[Ish]

That's why I can't. I can't give him that. That's why that pass that flip is giving him. You're Making jokes out of this thousand.

[Joe Button]

Pair off whites and all that. Y' all got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it.

[Joe Button]

So somebody got their ass bustling you in these. And he got his McDonald's All American jersey hanging jersey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oldest brother.

[Joe Button]

I'm not. I'm going. This is sad to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I mean, this is sad to me. I'm not for him personally. I'm glad that at least he has access to Diddy right now. That actually might be a good mentor on some financial literacy on some real.

[Joe Button]

Like, Fort Dix is in better shape than this crib he's showing. Geez, niggas get so comfortable being uncomfortable.

[Flip]

Yo, so what do you say when you talk about financial literacy?

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

What do you say to the people that are promoting financial literacy that's coming off as scammers? What do you say to that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some of them are scammers, but then there's people who are doing really good work.

[Flip]

So then if you scamming, wouldn't it make a person like me or somebody else reluctant to learn from you because.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But financial literacy doesn't have to be the guy on YouTube.

[Flip]

I'm just saying. Explain.

[Tanner]

Financial literacy is you learning financial.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll give you a perfect example.

[Flip]

You could read a book.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll give you a perfect example to use you as an example. Bob, was it maybe six months ago, nine months ago, I was trying to sell my house, and I had some questions about how to deal with something. I don't remember what the specific issue was, but it was how to deal with it financially. I didn't understand the process. I didn't understand what the angle was. So I went to Ish, because he knows more about this than me. He taught me the process so that I would make a good financial. Financial decision. I know what I don't know, and I'm comfortable asking people who know more. Imagine we institutionalize that. Imagine you got that in high school.

[Erickson]

Financial literacy could also just come from talking to your friends that maybe know a little bit more.

[Tanner]

You don't have to pay anybody for the education. You could go get a book. You could read YouTube. Niggas find out how to do all this other shit on YouTube. Go to YouTube for somebody that you don't have to give a dime and look up topics that will make you more financially literate.

[Joe Button]

You could also hire. Hire somebody.

[Erickson]

That too.

[Ish]

Yeah, but if you don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On the rich. And yes, on the rich.

[Tanner]

Yeah, but if you don't have the money. And again, flips.

[Erickson]

You don't even necessarily have to be super rich to have an accountant or someone managing your money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, for sure.

[Ish]

How'd you learn video editing and stuff?

[Flip]

I went and did it myself. Went on YouTube and did it myself.

[Tanner]

Same thing.

[Ish]

Exact same thing.

[Flip]

I started to read because I just save money and do some good at some point.

[Erickson]

You pay attention, care about your.

[Joe Button]

Your.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But we should instill that in our kids. Young.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And we should also make sure that our high schools and our middle schools start to have those as classes. Agree. Well, you know, that's part of your life.

[Ish]

They don't want them, they don't want classes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right. That's what we gotta advocate for.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's why you gotta pay for private school. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But even in.

[Tanner]

And again, no disrespect, we could move this off of Sebastian, but he says, yo, you see I got the thousand pair, all whites and all that. You know, I gotta stay fly, fam. You are more worried about staying fly than living in a decent surroundings.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

You get what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, that's right.

[Tanner]

Some of the literacy part we talking about.

[Ish]

That's some of the mindset. That mindset got to be undone.

[Flip]

Got it.

[Tanner]

You might got a two thousand dollar coat in your closet.

[Joe Button]

A few of them see niggas go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S ripped for a year. If you sell. A few of them go to the.

[Flip]

Project with Bentley's before, man.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Flip]

It's the program.

[Joe Button]

You can't even clean up in there.

[Tanner]

Hey, yo, yo, mom.

[Joe Button]

Because if I'm in a place like that, my mind get right to cleaning cleanliness, not the godliness. Now, I would get up and grab the pine sole, a lavender something new paint. New paint you can't give me if I live there. You're gonna see action wall.

[Flip]

Right?

[Joe Button]

Right. Hey, something gotta jazz this. I would be in home goods. Yeah. I would be a home goods filming he and nitrous.

[Ish]

If you don't get you a decorative.

[Joe Button]

Pillow or something to cover up the radiator that's on the seal of the pipe. This is crazy. I ain't just gonna come to work and just big up crazy shit. Cause niggas is black and I with them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

I'm not doing it. I feel you. You look nuts in this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to see the story. But I'm inclined. I'm inclined to agree. Speaking of financial literacy. Ish. I need to turn to you again. Donald Trump announced. Was it 50 year mortgages?

[Joe Button]

50 year mortgages.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now people on the left and the right. It's rare that you see Democrats and Marjorie Taylor Greene all like, what the fuck is this? But he said that one of his solutions was to push for 50 year mortgage. Right now people typically do 30 years. 30 years, 50 year mortgage. Ish. What say you to Donald Trump's proposal for the 50 year mortgage and just.

[Joe Button]

Your overall thoughts about it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, thank you. Yeah, that's really what I mean.

[Tanner]

It speaks to a few things, right. The lower is called amortization. So 50 years, 30 years, 15 years, whatever the case may be. Amortization, the word amortize I think is Latin. It means to kill. So it means that this is the term that it takes to kill the debt.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Tanner]

So if you take a 30 year mortgage, it's going to be a 30 years for the pay it all back. What's happening is in my opinion, the real estate in the country is getting to a level that's so expensive that most Americans can't afford the mortgage payment. Yeah. So the lower the actual mortgage payment, you stretch it out. It's like if you buy a car for 100k over six years, that, that's a two thousand dollar car note, right? Borrow a hundred thousand dollars over 30 years, you might be paying $500 a month, $400 a month. You get what I'm saying? So the payment lowers the longer you stretch the loan. I think we out of financial space where people can't afford four and five and six thousand dollar mortgages. So you're gonna have to stretch it to give them some level of relief if you still want to encourage home ownership. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I do, I do follow.

[Erickson]

Do you think that they want to encourage home ownership?

[Ish]

Do you think it's a trap?

[Erickson]

It feels trappy.

[Ish]

Feels like the car dealership when they hit you with the yeah, your interest.

[Tanner]

Is going to be crazy. I just think again if your grand. But rent ain't coming down. So it's an argument going around like what's better, to own or to rent? It ain't like rent is cheap rent, highest shit rent higher than giraffe pussy and it's going higher every single year. So I don't see the relief in any of it, to be totally honest. But I still encourage home ownership over renting all the time. Some people disagree with me, but I just think that we are in a space in America where motherfuckers really can't afford either. So him Putting out a 50 year mortgage is almost, almost some temporary relief. You're not, you're not Solving the root. It's a mask and some paint over a bigger problem.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right.

[Erickson]

It's an accent pillow. The project, basically.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because the people who benefit from this mainly are going to be the brokers, the real estate people, the banks. The banks. It's not poor people. You know, you're right. It's a cover up for the real problem, which is that we don't have affordable housing in this country. But a lot of people are going to get drawn into this like, oh, now I can afford this house. And I really think it's gonna be a lot of middle class people who are now gonna get a bigger house than they can afford or more house they can afford. Because we always think like Sebastian Telfair and others, like everybody and I don't wanna put it on him that we're gonna make more next year than we did last year. So I'll just pay this off early. Oh, I'll just catch it. Yeah. And so what you're gonna end up with is people who never get to home ownership. At least with the 30 year mortgage you could buy a house at 30. And when it's time to retire, you don't have, you don't own, you don't have any. You have a house.

[Joe Button]

Do y' all not plan for a fall off?

[Tanner]

No, most people don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's so funny you asked that. That's what I was about to ask you when you were in your island.

[Joe Button]

Let's get to that. After.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, after.

[Tanner]

I wanna hear most people don't plan for a fall off. I think most people, I think us and I get this critique a lot that when we speak up here, we all speakin from a position of privilege. We all blessed, right? The average person in America, dawg, is worried about tomorrow. Like we living on check to check. And when I say check the check, I really mean check the check. Like if check don't come in my as. Yeah, like the government shut down. Like I got tenants who yo, ish. I'm so sorry. Like my husband is in the navy, they not getting paid. I got you. What do you say to that? Like, yo, you can't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's a U haul.

[Joe Button]

Clear this out. I'mma give you another week.

[Erickson]

But I just got NBA players at it now.

[Tanner]

I think that people don't even have the mindset to plan plan for the fall off. We already falling. We just literally trying to get by my nigga. That's most people.

[Joe Button]

That's why I wanted to wait till you finished your segment. And then ask the question. Because it's a privileged question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

To be able to plan for the fall off is a privilege question.

[Joe Button]

It is a privileged question.

[Tanner]

It's a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But what I'd like to see, just to tie up this part, is housing subsidies, rent controlling areas where it makes sense. It doesn't make sense everywhere. Areas where it makes sense. I like to see housing subsidies. I like to see things that actually make it easier to own a house, not easier to inherit 20 more years of debt. So now you're paying a million dollars on a 300,000.

[Ish]

$300,000 loan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Which is what's ultimately happening. And now, since most of us, especially as black people, don't live to be 90 or 80 now, you never pay your debt off. So you, you. You go to the grave, you're not even able to give your kid a house because you still owe 20 more years on it. You know, I mean, there's a lot of. There's a lot of ways that it doesn't make sense. I understand we got to do something, but to me, this ain't it.

[Joe Button]

See, they told. Told our man the out of here with the three buses. They gonna tell them some watch.

[Ish]

They gonna learn them.

[Flip]

But they told them, we just wait and see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's gonna happen.

[Ish]

They gonna learn them.

[Erickson]

They gonna learn.

[Flip]

But we don't plan for the phone.

[Joe Button]

They did tell him something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Few things.

[Joe Button]

Earful.

[Flip]

You know what, What I learned real quick. Stop.

[Joe Button]

Ish. I thought about. Yeah, watch.

[Flip]

When you start getting money, you start to want to. If you don't have financial literacy, when you start getting money or more money, you start to want to purchase more.

[Ish]

Yeah, you go bigger. Yeah, you go big.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's.

[Flip]

That's a problem.

[Tanner]

Yep.

[Flip]

And I noticed that with myself at some. At some point, we know you gotta.

[Joe Button]

Slow down a little bit, Elevator Andy.

[Flip]

Yeah, no, that's fine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you know, he got elevators in his career.

[Ish]

That's crazy. Elevator.

[Flip]

You still have to slow down a little bit, Man, I was just. This whole. My whole weekend was shit, me arguing with my wife. Nigga, what you wanna buy a new TV for? N. What you wanna buy a 85 inch for? I will tear that shit down. We're not buying no tv. That's what I was telling her. Because I was like, yo, let's get settled.

[Tanner]

Let's get, honestly speaking, work together.

[Flip]

Hold on, I'm talking about my wife. Let's work together. Let's come together and provide a better home for the family. Let's be more structured. I know I've led us down a rabbit hole, but now I'm trying to wake up. Let's get it together. We don't need no more TVs in a fucking foyer or whatever the fuck that shit is.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Flip]

Sorry. Yeah. You laughing at my wife, nigga. Never. You living to my wife.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no. Huh?

[Tanner]

Now we just. As Americans, we just carry too much debt. We buy a whole bunch.

[Flip]

We just buy a lot more. You lucky you got a chef in the family. You good. You can open up a restaurant.

[Tanner]

We up a sneaker habit or stupid like that.

[Joe Button]

Bro.

[Tanner]

Be having 3 and 400 pairs of sneakers like that is just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's insane.

[Tanner]

It's wasteful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've said this before on the show, but my man who does mortgages for poor people to get them low income, to get them out of housing and into homes. The two things he said is one, people always assume as human beings that next year is going to be better than last year. We always assume we're going to make more and do better next year than last year. And he said with black people in particular because that's his population. He said the solution oftentimes to money is to get another job or to work more. Not to spend less.

[Ish]

Not to spend less and also get more money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That combination can be tough to navigate. So we have to think about how can we spend less.

[Flip]

Less.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And also to. To the question you asked sort of how can we anticipate the fall off? I obviously on our level is different than somebody who's living. Check the check. But it's still. It's still a thing is you got to anticipate that next year might be worse than last.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It might get fired.

[Joe Button]

You know, you got to at least.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Plan or cut in half.

[Joe Button]

You have to be prepped for it. Not one. I want to say plan, you ass.

[Flip]

They must still the same.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No more TVs.

[Flip]

My still the same. Oh, my. Still the same. Ask him.

[Joe Button]

Value. All right.

[Flip]

See, I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Flip]

I don't want to get into that. Yes. Could change.

[Joe Button]

You love getting into that. That's your favorite thing to get into.

[Flip]

Him. It be him.

[Joe Button]

It's him. Right?

[Flip]

It's more. Anybody that question that I'm getting at.

[Joe Button]

Him.

[Erickson]

Sure.

[Flip]

Anybody that question that you got to.

[Erickson]

You got to.

[Flip]

He could trick y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Flip]

He can't trick me. He can trick y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Flip]

He can't trick me.

[Erickson]

That's true. I know I've been tricked.

[Flip]

I'm like Jesus. I'm like Jesus. Grandson Bless.

[Joe Button]

Every time people say, yo, Joe, just let it rock. You're manipulating me. I don't think I want to say for what.

[Flip]

I don't think you've manipulated.

[Joe Button]

What is it you think I'm trying to get?

[Flip]

I say the same to be with a.

[Joe Button]

From, from you.

[Erickson]

I be.

[Joe Button]

Want to tell people. I want to give people my list of the people I'm actually trying to manipulate. It's not y'. All. It's not y' all trying to manipulate YouTube. Com. Amazon.

[Flip]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you plan for a fall?

[Joe Button]

God is good. So all the time. Yeah. Yeah, I plan for a rainy day. Most times my headspace is. I struggle with what, what, what, what I can afford versus how it will affect my lifestyle. That's what I struggle with.

[Tanner]

What you can or cannot.

[Joe Button]

You said can, can, Right? Like, you know, like, I'm in this. I'm in house building mode with the land and looking at this and Italian this and fixture this. I was like, okay, I could afford some of this stuff, but how will it affect my actual lifestyle? Quality of life, right? Like, that's, that's kind of what I'm.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The house is a good moment for that. I, I, again, like, when we were looking for houses, it was, it was, I had this moment of record. And my wife is far more reasonable and mature than I am financially. So she's always like, yeah, we can afford this, but.

[Ish]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Will it improve your quality of life? What does this look like during a rainy day? How much do you want to struggle? You know what I mean? So we were like, we're going to be more modest than we had to be because we want to, don't. We don't want life to be hard.

[Joe Button]

If you hit a pitch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's funny because right after we agreed to buy the house, I lost a job.

[Tanner]

Think about that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I lost a major deal. I lost about 60% of my income right around that time between two jobs, actually. And it was just deals that ran out. It wasn't nothing bad, but it's just life happens like that, and you gotta be prepared for that. Cause I'm still always prepared. The next year, I'll make more. And I'm always thinking, I'll just hustle more. I'll hit the road more. I'll speak, I'll do whatever. I'll write a book, I'll do whatever to make this make sense.

[Tanner]

And now you got three year old.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, and I'm almost 50. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to be on the road 120 days a year. Like I used to be. Like, that shit is crazy. You know what I mean? And. But once you've been through a fall off you, it makes you look at life differently.

[Flip]

For sure, it does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I know that I'm gonna lose a job. I know that something's gonna happen. I know somebody's gonna get hurt. I know somebody. A bill's gonna come up that I didn't expect. And so I look at those things differently than I did before I hit those walls, you know what I mean? Do y' all plan for that stuff?

[Ish]

Yes.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I try to live below means. By all means.

[Tanner]

I'm trying to be debt free. Like, that's literally one of my. My goals. Like, I don't want no debt.

[Erickson]

Safe.

[Tanner]

Zero. Like, well, the only debt that I want is debt that produces money for me.

[Joe Button]

Right, Right.

[Tanner]

You know what I'm saying? Outside of that, bro, I want to be zero. Zero.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

No car note, no credit card bills, no medical bills, no nothing. Like, I don't want any debt. And I think, oh, we only got.

[Joe Button]

79 more months on that car.

[Ish]

I know.

[Tanner]

Amortization.

[Joe Button]

Amortization months.

[Tanner]

I need a 50 year track.

[Joe Button]

I need a 50 year.

[Ish]

I done been in the plan. I'm on the plane. I'm on track by. I think it's April. I'll be debt free. Debt free.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, totally debt free.

[Tanner]

It's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what's up.

[Tanner]

It's a relief, bro.

[Joe Button]

Like, paid off on the credit facts and all.

[Flip]

Credit facts. The is the credit what?

[Joe Button]

The is credit card credit, Equifax, all them.

[Flip]

I'm a freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You close to debt free, too.

[Flip]

No, hell no.

[Joe Button]

No. Right around this time.

[Flip]

That's true. But I didn't come to you this time.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's over for that.

[Flip]

No, it's not.

[Joe Button]

No, it's not over for that. Coming to me. Right? Came with the diamonds on his hoodie. Ain't gonna play with my boy. Working less, I'll make it more. Oh, my God.

[Flip]

Working together. We working together.

[Joe Button]

We belong together. Holy. No, but y' all absolutely right about what you're saying, right? I. I paid my car off.

[Flip]

Oh, old car.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Flip]

The.

[Joe Button]

And I'm just like, yo, look at our mentality. When. When I was broke as a joke. Joke. I knew when Benz was putting out the new body of the new car of the new year. And it hurt to be in the 2014 when the 2016 is out.

[Erickson]

And that's so stupid.

[Tanner]

Now that don't even cross your mind?

[Joe Button]

Yo, I be so. Well, now I notice in some years you want the car with fire. So I'm riding into the 21.

[Ish]

I like the 21, right?

[Joe Button]

Absolutely love it. The same, the 22, 23. Oh, I'm so happy looking at that. I'd try that like a Lemon At 24, I'd be all over the place.

[Tanner]

So I did, I did an interview and they was asking me like, how do I define like rich? Because everybody's thing is. Is different.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

And I was like, yo, my definition is options. So like to your point, if your kids want to. You want your kids to go to Rutgers and stay in state, that's cool. But you want them to go to Georgetown, you can afford for them to go to Georgetown if you want. Like, you know, a lot of the rich people be driving Priuses and shit like that. That's cause they want that car. When your daughter gets 16 and she want the little Mini Cooper. Cause she like it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, she could get it, but if.

[Tanner]

She wanted to see la, she could get. I mean, they damn near the same price, but you get what I'm saying? So that's how I define it. Like, yo, I could live in the neighborhood I want to live in, not the neighborhood that I can only afford to live in. And to me, that's the. That wealth and rich. That's what that means for me.

[Joe Button]

I just, I want to continue to elevate my level of thinking and my mind. In my mind state, like I'm. I'm going to these niggas houses where the house is as much as I would like mine to cost. But where they head space is when.

[Tanner]

You start having conversations with them niggas.

[Joe Button]

This guy put a water. I don't even know what it is. Some type of water neutralizer that costs half a million. And you could drink the shower water. Like because he believed water and plastic bottles gonna kill us. Yeah, he bought the water neutralizer so you could just drink the water. No matter where it come from in.

[Erickson]

His house, it just don't have to be a half million.

[Joe Button]

I'm like, wow, look where your brain is. Yeah, I only got a certain. I'm building this house with a certain amount of bedrooms because I want one kid. I'm going to have one kid. Well, I need a whole bunch of bedroom floor, right. I don't. I'm not building an upstairs. I want to die here. Why do I want to walk?

[Erickson]

Yeah, like just regular smart.

[Tanner]

No, that I can think out and I can. I could build what I want. I don't have to take what somebody else that was they designed.

[Joe Button]

That's cool. But I never in my life thought to myself, I wouldn't want to walk upstairs. I never even thought that. Yeah, I thought give me elevator.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Just different thinking is them is great. Got a wellness spine. These so it. I don't got to leave the house. Oh my. When I get my house, I'm not leaving.

[Erickson]

And also not that expensive to do some of these things, by the way. Like, you bowl. You probably save money doing some of this shit.

[Tanner]

You bowl.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Tanner]

You know what I mean? Like. Like that these niggas got in they house. You gamble a lot. Yo, we have a full fledged casino in my crib.

[Joe Button]

Like, damn, you can't get involved, man.

[Tanner]

Out here worried about bus money.

[Joe Button]

Bowling at Valley in your crib. But you married. You live with your wife. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gonna be lemons.

[Joe Button]

Now it's just you and the kids. You know what we want to do if we try to go bowling, you know, Raspberry Park. White boy. Look at him. Oh my God. Do y' all want to attempt to talk about all her fault?

[Erickson]

Oh, we could.

[Joe Button]

We can.

[Erickson]

I watched that whole this week.

[Ish]

Yeah, I do too.

[Erickson]

This would.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yes. The show. The show.

[Joe Button]

We always got DVDs. That show on Peacock. We're talking about good, great, bad tv.

[Tanner]

All her fault.

[Erickson]

Great, bad tv.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Ish]

Show starts off.

[Joe Button]

Oh, we said give it to him. Give it to him. Yeah.

[Ish]

No, no, no.

[Erickson]

Just break it down.

[Ish]

First minute of the show. I'm just. This basically sets the premise for the show.

[Erickson]

It does.

[Ish]

You ain't watch. You ain't watch Succession, but shit from Succession walks up to a house, says that her. One of the ladies from school, her son's supposed to be having a play date with him and was like, she texted me and said to pick the kids up from here. Pick my set up from here.

[Joe Button]

She won't be there, but.

[Ish]

She won't be there.

[Joe Button]

But the kids will be there with the nanny.

[Ish]

The kid will be here with the nanny. The lady's like, I don't know who you talking about. Ain't no kid here. I don't know that person name you mentioned. What are you talking about? And that's scene one.

[Tanner]

Lady goes into a panic and like.

[Ish]

I'm not gonna give away the show. But yeah, it's. It's what?

[Joe Button]

Where.

[Ish]

What happened to my son.

[Joe Button]

It is your fault. Well, well, but why that show? But why the show? Why the show Storyline is so Compelling, though. That's how the show starts, right? So. So the lady calls the number that text her numbers disconnected. The kind lady let her in the house. Now they trying to find the kid. So that's cool. But by the time it ends, by the time episode one ends, they whole friend group is on a board. Yeah, the whole friend group.

[Erickson]

Friends, family, teachers, everybody.

[Joe Button]

Everybody's on a police board. And the cops are saying, I don't know why they all had to kill each other. And that's the show. So it's not just about a missing kid. Yeah, but it is about a missing kid.

[Ish]

This show's heat.

[Joe Button]

It's a really. It's a really good peacock show.

[Ish]

Like I said, it was so good that we couldn't stop it.

[Flip]

We.

[Ish]

We binged all. It's eight episodes. We watched it end.

[Flip]

Good.

[Erickson]

We're not going to say that.

[Ish]

Not going to say how it does it end Good. Yes.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it actually.

[Joe Button]

Great. I didn't see the end. I'm only on episode five for the.

[Erickson]

Cast, which is pretty phenomenal in terms of actors that we've seen in other shows. The acting was pretty bad for a lot of it. In my opinion.

[Joe Button]

That's a peacock thing.

[Erickson]

The only person that showed up to me is the little girl from IT that plays one of the nannies. It should. You'll get into more of that because if you're only on four, she did a really good job.

[Ish]

He's almost there. Yeah. Next six is the one.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Sitting down made me mad. When six is the one and it's only eight episodes.

[Ish]

Nah, but they.

[Joe Button]

It's.

[Ish]

You'll get why it's eight.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna check it out. I started it without my girl. I'm finishing it without my girl.

[Erickson]

Oh, she's living.

[Joe Button]

Living bold. But I did text her, hey, you should watch this, but real good peacock show.

[Erickson]

It is good.

[Ish]

And this is one of them show shows. I will say that. You know, part of watching these type of shows is trying to call out.

[Tanner]

What happened for sure.

[Ish]

Early for sure. Couldn't get it.

[Erickson]

Yeah, you won't.

[Ish]

You won't get it.

[Joe Button]

That's dope.

[Ish]

You're not going to get it.

[Tanner]

That's dope.

[Erickson]

They did some twitch. It was like, oh, oh, got that.

[Tanner]

That's not predictable. That's fine. Yep.

[Erickson]

You think it's predictable too. The whole time after the first episode, I'm like, yeah, why?

[Ish]

Oh, no, no, never mind.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

They absolutely smell smoke, the cliffhangers. Yes.

[Ish]

Yes, they did.

[Erickson]

When you get to the End. You're gonna be like, oh, good.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm excited about it.

[Erickson]

They did a really good twist at the end. It saved it for me because, like I said, the acting and I expected more out of these actors. But the story brought, like, even Shiv. Like, she was amazing in succession.

[Ish]

She was.

[Erickson]

I was like, who is this person?

[Ish]

I really care about the acting.

[Joe Button]

She was ditzy in it. She was a loo.

[Erickson]

The husband.

[Ish]

Oh, no.

[Erickson]

You think ditzy husband is horrible.

[Ish]

The neighbors. The old girl husband is the worst on planet.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

She said, oh, yeah, it's my fault. We were at the marathon and if I would have just stayed with the kids. Like, shut up, lady. Yeah.

[Ish]

But the stories.

[Joe Button]

But again, secondary viewing, they kept making it a point to let us know how this was all her fault. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And in episode one, I think dad, in a moment of frustration, was like, how could you have not checked off? Yo, he.

[Ish]

Yo, he let it slip.

[Joe Button]

Stupid.

[Ish]

Why you ain't just check the number? I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I mean, I'm like, you can't do.

[Joe Button]

That while the kid's missing. But. But I do understand. If one of y' all kids got missing and it was undeniably your spouse's mishap that led to it, how hard would it be to keep. Keep that in? Hard. Hard.

[Ish]

Because you don't wanna.

[Joe Button]

You gotta keep it in.

[Ish]

You got to.

[Joe Button]

But it is. You got to keep it in.

[Ish]

It's hard.

[Flip]

No, you have to.

[Ish]

You would. You would blame her.

[Flip]

What?

[Tanner]

Even if. No.

[Joe Button]

What good does that?

[Ish]

It don't help nothing right now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Good for me and you.

[Joe Button]

And she's already a mess because the kids.

[Flip]

I'm a mess too.

[Joe Button]

So you better compound it.

[Tanner]

How's that good for you. You said it's good for you.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it don't help none.

[Ish]

It don't help nothing.

[Flip]

Listen, in the moment, maybe not. But you're going to hear about this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How.

[Flip]

How it's all your fault.

[Erickson]

Not with the kidnap kid.

[Tanner]

You can't.

[Erickson]

You can't do that.

[Flip]

Sorry.

[Ish]

There you go again.

[Erickson]

I do have to offer an apology, a brief apology to the fan base that think I'm crazy for the IT series. This last episode was very good. My bad. The first two I did not really love. I don't like relying on CGI for scare. Like nasty CGI is. Is not going to do it for me. This last episode was pretty good.

[Ish]

So.

[Erickson]

My bad.

[Tanner]

You know, I ain't with that clown.

[Flip]

Never.

[Tanner]

That Remember it from high school to this day.

[Flip]

You got to stop being scary Ish.

[Tanner]

No, I'm not.

[Flip]

You got you too old for that.

[Tanner]

I'm not scared of that clown.

[Ish]

With me, you are.

[Flip]

You don't watch scary movies. I thought about you while watching scary movie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm an is on that with clowns.

[Flip]

Y2 super.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm okay with clowns. I don't like scary mo. Like, I'm not scared of my. Just don't like them.

[Erickson]

I love scary movies. I. I'm scared of death of clowns.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Erickson]

Yeah. I don't with clowns at all.

[Tanner]

This a broadcast.

[Flip]

He can do what he want.

[Tanner]

Mr. Joe. Yeah, Mr. Joe.

[Joe Button]

Eat your pork, Mr. Joe.

[Flip]

I still got the. I still got the sandwich, boy. He took a big bite, too. Look, it ain't going nowhere, boy. Finish what you have in your mouth. Oh, you to about another bite. It's true. He got the white shit around. Pull his mayonnaise, yo. Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No right pause.

[Ish]

God damn, son.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Other stories flip, actually. What's the talk to me think about you. Cause you could break this down. Ice 2, I think west side Gun free. But it's wrestling. You the wrestling dude.

[Joe Button]

You the hip hop dude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I'm thinking between the two of.

[Flip]

Y', all, west side Gun got removed from a WWE event three minutes after it started.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Flip]

Right. He paid $5,000 for tickets and everything. Paid for his own seats and 5,000. Yeah, he just felt like he's a fan.

[Ish]

He's a super fan. Like, he's a.

[Flip]

It was in this. It was in his hometown. He flew and everything to pay for the seats. And they took him out. And according to him, WWE just is trying to. I guess somebody said in the office to him him that WWE doesn't like to see a young, successful black man. This is on the heels of WWE sending him a cease and desist because he was trying to use some of the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He regularly used it in his.

[Erickson]

In his music, so pictures, interview samples. He's a fan, and he incorporates it into his art in the way that a bunch of other people. Wu Tang he uses as an example. With the kung fu flicks, he does that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But with wrestling, yeah, he'll have eyes, too. I'm looking at the COVID And three, they both got Virgil. And part three got 10 degrees.

[Tanner]

He gives a statement. I had it, but I got it. Oh, you got it? Yeah, I was about to read it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, go ahead.

[Tanner]

Go ahead, read it. No, go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So he went to Twitter to break down what happened, and he says first of all, it happened for no reason. He said. For years. I mean, nobody with two feet has spent the amount of money I have supporting and pushing a brand I've loved since I could remember. I sat front row at every big show. Literally all the good times were brought to my life to the point when I started making music. I incorporated in everything, like Wu Tang, did karate. I made people who hated the product watch it again. I made it cool. And at the time, people thought it was nerdy. I've watched that same company sit countless of people next to me who's not even fans for real, and act like I don't exist. I was threatened to take everything out. My music, which I only did to pay homage or my whole catalog would be demolished. And everybody knows how hard I work coming from Buffalo. For me to get that threat for just supporting and being a real fan hurt me. But I stayed quiet and still like a crazy man. Sat front row because I love the culture. And then his last line was, I have my own company, 4th Rope. And yeah, we're the underdogs, but we love this shit. It's not about money. We're going to keep pushing culture. And for those that don't know fourth.

[Ish]

Rope, it's his West Coast. So he is absolutely correct. It was west side Gun Smoke, Dizza Wale Wale, Peter Rosenberg. They were the ones who basically made wrestling cool for the hip hop crowd for sure. Because after a while, it be like he said it was. It was looked at as nerdy. Now where I'm on the other side of that is you can't start competition and then come here like you my comp. Now, granted, everything you did, they used to. I remember there was times where there were events and they would highlight. They put his name on the screen. You know, it was some level of. We're acknowledging it here. But now you've started. That's like Ice Cube going to the NBA game sitting courtside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he can't, which he can.

[Tanner]

Which I can spend my money and.

[Ish]

I can say, no, you can't. If I own this league and you are my op, Freeze is right. You come here sitting courtside, I can say, I don't want you here. What are you talking about?

[Tanner]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I don't know. There's two issues here.

[Joe Button]

There's the legal issues.

[Ish]

We didn't care that you was using our images before, but now you are my competition.

[Tanner]

Cool.

[Ish]

You're my direct competition at that.

[Tanner]

So send a cease and desist to say That I can't use your ip.

[Ish]

I did that.

[Tanner]

Cool. Now, for you to remove me from the stadium in which I paid to have be a patron, I think is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A different thing as a public event.

[Erickson]

A lot of those.

[Flip]

A lot of those. Wrestling.

[Tanner]

Different things.

[Flip]

A lot of those independent wrestling companies were tunnels to wwe, so like ecw, A lot of companies that we didn't know, they would send them there first and they'll go to wwe like pharmacists. Yeah, we didn't know that. But I don't think he took that step. I don't think they even considered he considered. Considered even working with WWE in that collab.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe they didn't offer an opportunity. Maybe they.

[Flip]

Maybe not.

[Ish]

Y' all ain't. What it looks like for me is from Westside Guns perspective before y' all wasn't doing right by me with everything that I did for this company in terms of making y' all cool again. Okay, cool. I'll go start my own. I salute that. I respect that 1000%. That is. That is. That is what we want people to do.

[Flip]

Exactly. Go.

[Ish]

All right, fine. If they won't appreciate you here, go start your own. And we gonna with you over there.

[Tanner]

Gotcha.

[Ish]

I'm with all of that. Where I disagree is now you come here. Granted, you paid your money. We didn't give you free tickets, but you're not going to come here be courtside. I don't know what you doing. I don't know if you filmed this for your. I don't know you.

[Joe Button]

You're.

[Ish]

You are my competition.

[Erickson]

See, I don't like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't come here and do that.

[Tanner]

I don't like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it didn't used to be like.

[Tanner]

Cuz, dog, I don't have to come to your event to poach.

[Ish]

I don't coach. I said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said that.

[Tanner]

He said it. Oh, I don't have to come to your event to try and be sneaky, dog. I'm a patron. I paid for my ticket. I ain't asked y' all for shit. I want to come as a fan, as I've been a fan. It ain't nothing new. I've been a fan for the last decade to come watch my film.

[Ish]

You said it ain't nothing new. The one thing that is new is now you are my direct competition.

[Tanner]

I will say this is what I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Would have done if I were the wwe. I would have said, you can't sit front row because every time we shoot, that's like a promo for you.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It would be like back in the day if like Ted Turner was sitting Courtside or Vince McMahon was sitting courtside at NWA event. So I could see that maybe say, or we're not gonna put the camera on you something. I don't think you should escort anybody out of an arena that they paid a ticket for if they're not doing nothing. Cause and to me, fourth row ain't, you know, a threat to WWE right now. They can coexist right now.

[Tanner]

Right now.

[Ish]

You know what? Right now, they're not a threat.

[Flip]

I don't have to go come to the event to poach. But that's the, the most times people use opportunities to do so. When you're going backstage, when, when we extend the offer to you, you're backstage and now you're talking about, hey, I need you to come to studio. Not saying that he's doing it.

[Joe Button]

You moved it.

[Tanner]

I could see if they told him, yo, I don't want you backstage. I understand that me being a patron at an event that I paid my money for, y' all removed me from the event. I think it's two separate issues.

[Ish]

We don't want your money.

[Tanner]

I think it's separate issue.

[Ish]

We don't want your.

[Tanner]

You wanted my money and you wanted my promo when I was doing it for you.

[Ish]

Absolutely, absolutely. But now again, the one part is you could have kept doing that. We didn't have like, again, they didn't strike down none of your album covers and none of that stuff before, Right. Until you became opposition. Now that you're opposition, I gotta treat you like opposition.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the W, I mean, historically, the WWE and performing WWF has always operated like that.

[Flip]

They never liked allow people to use images or copyright.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But not even just that. I'm saying, you think about the 80s and the 90s, they started swallowing up all of the regionals and they destroyed the regional model. Because there was a time where the awa, the NWA was big. They all existed.

[Ish]

WWE was regional.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. But part of how they became not regional is to say, all right, Vern Gaga, we're going to kill the awa. Okay. You see what I'm saying, Jim Crockett? We going to kill the NWA in Midwestern wrestling. We're just going to swallow all the.

[Flip]

Other organ did it. Vince McMahon Jr. Did it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And what I'm saying, so they don't have the mindset of peaceful coexistence. They want to destroy you if you, if you exist. I mean, they're hyper capitalist in that way. So it's not surprising, but it's still a little disappointing given all that we've given to the culture.

[Ish]

It's nasty. It's absolutely nasty. By be clear, I'm not sitting there saying that what they doing is right. I said I understand it just from business side that I don't want my competition sitting here. I think it's very nasty.

[Erickson]

I think on the optimist side, you're doing enough for them to feel like they need to squash you. And that is kind of fire to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I would take it as a compliment that the WWF sees me as enough competition to escort me out the room.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's kind of fly.

[Erickson]

It's nasty, but it's very nasty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And salute to west side for doing this, man. I went to a fourth row event. They were on the Ian Mark show. We were, you know, whatever we did, we partnered on some stuff and we sat at a live event. And it is amazing what they do. And honestly I don't think anybody does it as well as they do in terms of any independent wrestling organizations because it's high quality wrestling, right? It's. It's as real as it comes in terms of the announcer, the play by play, the ref, the audience, but also the way they blend hip hop with it is some I've never seen before. I think it's. I think it's super fly what they do.

[Tanner]

Fire dope.

[Joe Button]

I'm on both sides in this. I'm with Ice. No, you can't use all of our and put it on T shirts and album covers and you can't do whatever.

[Tanner]

I agree with.

[Joe Button]

And you can't be our direct competition now with fourth row and then come over here and sit. You just can't do that. So I agree with, I agree with them getting them out of there. I do. Lord knows I done put a fan out of a show for some. They didn't say. So I agree with that. Where I agree with Gun shouts to Paige. Where. Shout out to Paige. Where, where I agree with Gun is you would hope that these companies at this scale would either be able to or hired or have somebody that's able to recognize the people that are truly fans that have supported that love this, that kind of dictate culture. And that's just on how you. Your partnerships division. Right, because they went and got Travis Scott. They tried the big time partnership that fell flat on his face and hey, we was just talking about this with. Oh, DOA Cat.

[Ish]

Yeah, we just talking about this with certain names.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we, we go for the celebrity and these people don't really give a About you or what you doing versus the people who love this shit. Since a kid are traveling for this or willing to buy that sweet. Like, I think that those people should be catered to at a different clip than just the celebrity that came. I agree. I do. I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's real.

[Tanner]

And that's what he said. He said, yo, a lot of times y' all are having. Have celebrities come out here that don't know shit about what's going on. I'm a. That's really here in the front row because I love this shit. It's different. This ain't a promo op for me. I really am a fan. Treat me like I'm different than somebody else, bro.

[Joe Button]

I agree with you.

[Ish]

And I brought in so much attention and money to y' all that you can directly trace back.

[Joe Button]

Everybody ain't in the care business.

[Tanner]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Everybody don't have to care. I come up here and make jokes all the time about how I go to the Nick game and they start putting some motherfuckers on the big screen and I swear I'm more famous than it's funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But they don't give a fuck.

[Joe Button]

They don't care. And I shouldn't care because I know they don't care. Like, my Nick fan fear is just my Nick fan fear. I ain't asking to be seen about it or treated differently about it. I'm here cause I chose to be here. So everybody's not in the care business. It's dumb people's job. It's dumb folks job to figure out how to take this company from 100 to 100 million. And if that's making the wrong decisions. Right, because you're asking people to understand culture. That's the thing when you say these things. You're asking someone to understand culture. And you don't have to.

[Ish]

I don't even think that's understanding culture at that point.

[Tanner]

You could.

[Ish]

Like I said, you could look at the impact that those four names I named made on wwe.

[Joe Button]

How can WWE do that?

[Ish]

That WWE can do that? Well, they've obviously looked at it at some point because now you're getting rappers and stuff involved with which I wasn't able to get before.

[Joe Button]

See, that don't say you ain't answer this question. Yeah, that don't say that. They were able to pinpoint how Peter Rosenberg, west side Gun, and the other name, Smoke this and Wallet, shout out to Dizzy and Wale. Like, what? What can they look at to see the impact. It's not a promo code.

[Ish]

Right. But you can look at what our.

[Joe Button]

What.

[Flip]

What we were getting demographically, demographic.

[Ish]

You could look at what we were getting, getting before their involvement and after.

[Flip]

Bad people always support.

[Ish]

You can just look at that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's the thing.

[Tanner]

That could be circumstance, that could be circumstantial if you don't give Wale a cold and shout out to Wale and Wale Mania. So I'm not saying that he did not. I'm objectively speaking, because I believe that Wale definitely pushed it forward. But if you don't give Wale a code to say, yo, type in W A, L, E so that the WWE can now track your actual analytics to say that he had this impact, then to Joe's point, how do you track it?

[Ish]

But we can look at the Thursday before WrestleMania, like you said. You mentioned Wale.

[Flip]

Maybe a lot of people just make a hub for the people that are wrestling fans. Like them not saying wild. I'm not. Just like. A lot of people just create a hub. Like, yo, it's not cool to be a wrestling fan. So I'm gonna show you that you have some. I'm a hip hop artist. I'm gonna show you that you have some hidden wrestling fans out there. And I'm a creator hub. It's not a known fact that you, being a fan of mine, have started watching wrestling and went back and did the research and now a wrestling fan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't.

[Flip]

We can't. It's just a hub for niggas that were already wrestling fans.

[Joe Button]

Y' all think these companies got people up there that are able to identify cool and they don't.

[Tanner]

They don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but see, I think it's not just that. I mean, I think that's true. I think these companies never know who cool is. We always are the indicators of cool. But I don't wanna let them off the hook either about them not knowing. I think sometimes they know and they don't give a fuck. I mean, there's a long history of rappers making shit cool. How many pieces of jewelry have we made cool? How many drinks, pieces of liquor have we made cool?

[Ish]

Brands.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then those brands tell us to fuck off. I mean, we started with liquor. We started with a vodka and champagne in particular.

[Joe Button]

What you're describing is behind door number two, door number one is they don't know. Door number two is, oh, they know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They don't give a fuck. Don't give a fuck. And I agree with both. I'M saying I think door number one happened. Happened. I'm just saying right now, I don't want to assume that they don't know the impact that these people had on the thing. I think they may have moved to door number two now. Like, yeah, we thank you for giving us these people. Appreciate it. Now get the fuck out.

[Flip]

We didn't ask you to do it. Right. What do you say to that? Like, what do you say if they say, we didn't ask you to do this. You wanted to do it. We didn't ask for this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every company's gonna say, we didn't ask you to do that with Moet. We didn't ask you to do that with Kristal. And they said.

[Flip]

A lot of companies said.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But thank you.

[Flip]

But why do y'.

[Joe Button]

All. Oh, man.

[Flip]

And Jay was the only.

[Joe Button]

But Jay. I don't think that's the company's fault.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not making any. No, I. I think we need to stop doing.

[Joe Button]

Oh, okay.

[Tanner]

I think we need to stop sound like me and say it like it's an insult.

[Ish]

You bitch ass nigga.

[Joe Button]

You know, I never want to sound.

[Flip]

Like Jay was the only.

[Joe Button]

Sometimes there's a crossroad.

[Flip]

Jay was one of the only ones. That's what I saw publicly that said that they ain't want me rocking this or they ain't trying to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my point.

[Flip]

And he removed himself. He took a stance. Like, that's what people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's. I think what the companies do. They'll take our time. A Hilfiger endorsement, whatever it is, at that moment in time, they'll take it, they'll use it up, and then they'll say, thank you, and I'll beat it.

[Tanner]

Yeah. Iceberg sweats where I be on the elastic.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That's why I say no to so many companies. No. Just cause y' all do it.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You know, gatekeeping.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. It ain't about metrics. They know. They may not have exact quantitative measurements.

[Tanner]

Or they might.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And if they do, they ain't gonna.

[Ish]

Tell us they know.

[Joe Button]

Okay, well, relax before y' all up my WWE check. Hey, J, here. Shut the up. What? I'm doing business. What? Can't just get up here giving your opinion on other people business and lose your own business.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you still doing WWE stuff?

[Joe Button]

You goddamn right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let us roll. Next time you do something. You know I'm a wrestling nerd. What's the joke?

[Joe Button]

Fact.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I'm not being funny. Like, I had A joke cooking, but I didn't get there yet. No, I really do. You with like growing up. Oh, with the fourth rope thing? Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, No, I grew up. All I watched was wrestling.

[Ish]

I mean, shout out to them. They took good care of me at SummerSlam.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can't speak for how Gun is being treated. I think it's not right. But relax, Flip.

[Flip]

The joke ain't on you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should come to the wrestling event too. They got some on Tuesdays, right?

[Flip]

They do. I can go on Friday. I can go any day. That's different. I can go any day, though. I can go to WWE events. Madison, Squiggart. Anyway, they welcome you open all.

[Joe Button]

But I do want you big time company if you care to. If you care to get somebody that can identify what would help your company.

[Tanner]

True.

[Joe Button]

Because that part, I think.

[Tanner]

It ain't a handout.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It's a partnership. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm saying identify people. That's going to help in the short and long term, right?

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Flip]

They could have.

[Tanner]

Yo, you could have put. If he would have taken it. I'm not saying that he would have taken it because that could have been.

[Ish]

His dream all along.

[Tanner]

But you could have made Gun giving him a position at wwe, right?

[Joe Button]

Not to bring us full circle back to the top.

[Flip]

Shout to that.

[Joe Button]

But a lot of times, well, 99% of the times your. Your nose are part of your story. Respect to what's for you is for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I know that y' all think it's avoiding accountability, and it can be. But hey, now, go put a little more vigor into your own. More time, more money.

[Ish]

I felt disrespected over there, so now.

[Joe Button]

I can't going even hard over here. Yeah. And he got some crazy cooking. So. Shout out to Gun man.

[Erickson]

Shout out to.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

What else, what else, what else, what else?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We.

[Joe Button]

We didn't get to summon Walker at all. We talked about. About poor minds. Poor minds are featured in Summer Walker's publicity skit that they just did, which I loved. Yeah, it was super Fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Superfi.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Lex, Andrea. Summer Walker put out her feature list. I want to say.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And it looks pretty cool. Yeah, it looks pretty cool. Let me pull it up some on there.

[Ish]

I heard some.

[Joe Button]

Table 1, Table 2, Table 3, Table 4, Table, Table 5. So everyone's seated at a different table.

[Flip]

That's nice.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me see.

[Joe Button]

Let's pull it up here.

[Ish]

Told me there's some on there.

[Joe Button]

Table two was the one.

[Ish]

Yeah. Table two. I read table.

[Joe Button]

I'm looking for the thing, but table two.

[Ish]

I read table two and was like, oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Table two is what we're looking for. Here we go. Right here, table one, we have Jeremiah, Lil Yachty, 1985. Gene Baptiste, John Baptist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Button]

And Terrace Martin.

[Erickson]

Wow, that's nice.

[Ish]

It's not bad. Table 2, though.

[Joe Button]

Not a bad table right there.

[Erickson]

That's a good table. Music heads. That's a good table.

[Joe Button]

Okay, table two.

[Ish]

Come on, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Troy Taylor, Brian Michael Cox. Okay, the Dream. All right, Cuck Harrell, Aunt Clemens.

[Ish]

That's the table.

[Joe Button]

Table 2. Table 2. Table 3, we have Montel Fish, Anderson Pack Sailor Glorilla, Sexy red. Okay, table four, we have Lotto, Bryson Tiller, Teddy Swims, Chris Brown, 21 Savage. Table four is the table.

[Erickson]

Teddy Swims is at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame too. He smoked. Carry on. Sorry.

[Joe Button]

Table 5 is Mariah the Scientist, Brent Fies, Nene Leakes, Nyjah Slim Wave and Manelio Manilo. Oh, Monoleo Monolay is the girl. Yeah. Oh, she's fire. She's fire. She's fire. And those are your tables.

[Erickson]

Okay. I like that.

[Ish]

We got a date for that.

[Erickson]

I stick to table Friday. That's the one.

[Joe Button]

This. This album is coming out Friday. I might call out. I might, I might call out. I know that. I know that summer has been calling me all types of and herbs.

[Ish]

That's cool.

[Joe Button]

Who cares? I'm here for Friday. I'm here for Friday.

[Erickson]

Call what you want.

[Joe Button]

Point. Hey, if you don't know how I work by now, I use all of your in time in between albums to say what I want to say. But if you fire album week and the week after. Not a peep out, fam.

[Ish]

The album's called finally over it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's gonna be nice doing that.

[Ish]

What you want.

[Joe Button]

It's gonna be nice. This is gonna be good.

[Erickson]

Sounds good to me, Chris. Lineup.

[Joe Button]

Dream B, Cox and Clemens. I know Till is going to go crazy on here. 21 Terrace Martin. Yeah. Yeah. This is gonna be nice. Yeah, this is gonna be nice.

[Ish]

It's gonna be.

[Erickson]

John Baptiste is interesting from a music standpoint.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I just think feel like he could vibe with anything.

[Erickson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I feel like he can just.

[Tanner]

It might.

[Joe Button]

He's great.

[Erickson]

His album that came out this year was solid. No, I did like half of it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Yeah, Solid.

[Joe Button]

I want to check it out.

[Ish]

Production on this album.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we don't have anything else on this album. Like, there's no track list. Right.

[Tanner]

You don't need that much more.

[Ish]

I don't need nothing else.

[Tanner]

We talking about.

[Joe Button]

It's coming Friday. All right. Final thoughts on numbers. Thoughts on numbers. I know I shot rather high. What'd you say the first time I said something real high?

[Tanner]

Three.

[Joe Button]

The first time I said you might crack three. Oh, then y' all brought me back down. I definitely have her cracking, too.

[Tanner]

Me, too.

[Joe Button]

And then that might be high for. But I got a cracking, too.

[Tanner]

I got two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Ish]

Buck 50.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think buck 50's Jed. I was gonna say 125.

[Ish]

That's what I really was about to say.

[Joe Button]

You're not stupid.

[Ish]

Buck 50.

[Joe Button]

You're not stupid.

[Ish]

Oh, we got some music coming out.

[Joe Button]

About to say 125.

[Erickson]

Last one was. The last one was 166.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm gonna go.

[Erickson]

I'm gonna go 175.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Tanner]

I got 185 to 200.

[Ish]

I might.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope so. I hope. I hope she gets 500. I'm just.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Just being realistic.

[Joe Button]

Go, Summer. We can't wait to hear this album. She ain't failed me yet.

[Ish]

No, she don't.

[Joe Button]

I think both them over it album.

[Ish]

That's why I'm like you naming it Trilogy. Okay, let's get it.

[Joe Button]

Let's get it.

[Ish]

You got Wale dropping Friday as well. Everything is a lot. Finally, the album's coming out, so it'll be a good week for music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's gonna be a good day.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's a good day.

[Joe Button]

W. You should be on Summer. Yeah.

[Ish]

W. W. Yeah, that's a. That's.

[Joe Button]

I was just in strip club. W. The other day, P. Came. Came. Paid me a visit in Star. He's funny.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Stupid me. When I talk to you rappers and y' all say, I'll meet you at the strip club. I think y' all moving like me. Like, this is gonna be us, too. Like the two of them. Us.

[Ish]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You the whole squad.

[Joe Button]

Him and 20 coming. All right, Wally, y', all, I'm head on out.

[Ish]

I ain't home.

[Joe Button]

What's that?

[Ish]

You home away gang.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. He's out of town.

[Erickson]

He's out.

[Ish]

Away gang.

[Joe Button]

Out of town.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. Go Wale. So while they drops. Who else?

[Ish]

Somebody else.

[Joe Button]

That's all that matter.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's all I'm. That's all I'm looking for.

[Joe Button]

Wale, man. Buy yourself out of def. Jam, man. Buy yourself out of there. I ain't gonna hold you can one day. Ain't nobody gonna say it because we love you by yourself. I do the clip. Pull a clips move. You making good music. You're still one of the best rappers in the world. You have. You have a prime. Don't just throw it all away on Def Jam. What has Def Jam done to let people know that Wale is coming out? Any I. I know Wale is coming out because Wale keep doing Def Jam. Yeah. Def Jam gotta feel sick seeing the clips like that. All these Grammy noms and that was such a Def Jam album they put out. Yeah, I agree with that. Jesus.

[Tanner]

Imagine based on what they did, and if y' all would have gave them whatever push, the crazy thing is, they.

[Ish]

Wouldn'T have did this on Def Jam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Say more.

[Ish]

Same album drops. It don't even get received.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It really.

[Ish]

A lot of. I keep telling y', all, a lot of that came from the clip. Moving and getting themselves where they needed to be, getting a reception for that album.

[Tanner]

But why wouldn't they did that on Def Jam?

[Ish]

Def Jam don't do. Who have they done it for? I'm not.

[Joe Button]

They don't do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No issues asking. Why wouldn't they grind for themselves?

[Joe Button]

Rock Nation probably has more pull today than Def Jam has.

[Tanner]

What I'm saying is this. The clips use their own personal organic relationships and not all of them.

[Ish]

Oh, that's not true. No, that's not.

[Joe Button]

All of that's a myth. That's not true. Whatever happened that people Love loved was a combination of Pharrell clips and Roc Nation. It was all of them. And if you take Roc Nation and put Def Jam, it ain't gonna.

[Ish]

It's not gonna be the same.

[Joe Button]

This. It ain't.

[Ish]

It's not gonna be the same.

[Joe Button]

Unfortunately, Def Jam used to be my Def Jam. The best label in the world. Best label. What do you think?

[Flip]

What do you think contributes to that, Joe?

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Flip]

What do you think contributes to that.

[Ish]

Not being the same, is it?

[Flip]

They're not spending a lot more money is a storefront.

[Joe Button]

They're being handled like a storefront. It's a storefront. Pretty much the storefront.

[Tanner]

Pretty much.

[Joe Button]

That's all it is. It's there in name.

[Tanner]

It's a big change.

[Flip]

The bigger company, the parent company is not putting money into Def Jam.

[Joe Button]

Why would it? They pull the money away from it and take the money out. Yeah. Who won Def Jam killing. Think about it like this.

[Erickson]

Who on Def Jam?

[Joe Button]

Justin Bieber.

[Erickson]

Is true. Yeah, he's killing. I mean, Justin Bieber's definitely killing.

[Flip]

Is killing jail.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is he the only one left?

[Tanner]

Is that killing?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Joe Button]

And that's my point. Is that.

[Ish]

Is he killing?

[Joe Button]

Is Justin Bieber.

[Ish]

We didn't even know he was dropped.

[Joe Button]

To be Justin Bieber.

[Erickson]

I mean, he went number one twice and got a Grammy nomination.

[Ish]

In the right week. You can hit 60 and go number one, dog.

[Joe Button]

He put two.

[Ish]

I'm just saying, I'm in the right. Nothing else moving right now. This Justin ain't did what Justin does.

[Joe Button]

Justin ain't been that justice in. In a while. And the music is good. So you got an A level artist whose music is good. If the visibility ain't what it's supposed to be most times you putting that on label and. And the A level artist has two albums that you're gonna put out within months of each other. We. We. Shouldn't we be seeing more Justin?

[Erickson]

Yeah, he did 163 his first week for the first. They don't have numbers for the second one, so.

[Tanner]

Yeah, that's what I was looking for.

[Ish]

Even that says a lot.

[Erickson]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Joe Button]

Good album, though.

[Erickson]

It is a good album. Yeah. I don't know if I ever went back to the deluxe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was good, and it. It sounded better.

[Erickson]

Well, the album before that did 154, so he actually got better from the 2021 drop.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Sober for def jig. Been telling y' all forever. And I got people over there. I'm sorry, but that's where I. That's why I'm always.

[Erickson]

It's super quiet.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have y' all been following this? I don't know if I call it beef. It seems a little bit like a beef with Michelle Beetle and Stephen A. Smith.

[Joe Button]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kerry Champion is the third piece of it. Kerry Chapion weighed in on the beef between Michelle and Steven. So Michelle used to be at espn, right?

[Tanner]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And she left espn. Not by her own choice. She has a new podcast, and on her podcast, she starts going in on Stephen A. Smith. I think we might have. Do we have her clip?

[Joe Button]

Her clip is in Steven's clip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. And so then Steven responds to her. He normally don't respond to stuff, but he decided it was time to respond to this woman. But Kerry Champion jumped.

[Ish]

They had bad blood from.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, so that's just it. Stephen says no. He says, I barely knew this woman. I've said nothing but hello and goodbye to her. She said, when I worked at espn, I wouldn't be in the same room as him. I wouldn't be in the same studio as him because I don't respect him. And she started going in. He works hard because they don't work him too hard. He wants to do all this stuff. She kind of talked to him. Almost like a narcissist.

[Ish]

You said this is her new podcast.

[Erickson]

What's wrong with that, though?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a great question. I didn't quite get it from how she said it either, coming at me.

[Ish]

And one of those people was a.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Lady by the name of Michelle B.

[Joe Button]

Him. Let's get into it. Steve.

[Tanner]

You can't hear his voice.

[Stephen A. Smith]

She took to going on the attack.

[Joe Button]

I'm playing this whole, you know, her.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Latest attack against me. She's been coming at me for over a decade, okay. And if you've noticed, I've never once responded.

[Joe Button]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

That may not one time in over 11 years, I have not responded. Even in my book, Straight, a New York Times bestseller, by the way.

[Joe Button]

I'll make sure.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Even in the book, I didn't mention her name. But for some reason, which is why my man juvie calls it Santa Claus, buddy. They keep mentioning my name.

[Joe Button]

Let me let you hear. Here we go.

[Ish]

What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What this woman had to say about me.

[Joe Button]

I'm a pause this. I love when people do that when I'm playing the clip. Like, we should be more well researched. I love when people. Hey. What he told me. I'm gonna show you what you said. Hey, thank you. That's a messy shit.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Her latest rant. Take a listen.

[Michelle Beadle]

The guy is making money off of here. ESPN pays him a gazillion dollars to.

[Erickson]

Not work there full time.

[Michelle Beadle]

Get a lot of stuff wrong.

[Joe Button]

And yet.

[Michelle Beadle]

Right. Playing solitaire during the NBA freaking.

[Erickson]

The thing that he claims to be a genius in.

[Michelle Beadle]

And so instead of like, yeah, he doubles down and he does this. I thought espn, they tagged him. And I get it. You created this monster. He is bigger than you now. And that's exactly your fault.

[Ish]

Good job.

[Michelle Beadle]

Only you let him run rampant all over that company and put his face on every. For everybody who's like, oh, he works so hard. I'm gonna let you in on a little behind the scenes.

[Joe Button]

What's tea.

[Michelle Beadle]

He wants to do that nobody's asking him. Desperate to do, he shows up.

[Joe Button]

I.

[Michelle Beadle]

So I told everyone I work with I would never share a set with that person ever, because I don't respect him. And I don't. Life's too short. So that being said, I'm like, he's. He made you look like fools for handing him a blank check in the first place because he doesn't even give a. About the stuff that he's paid a gazillion dollars to talk about. And now he's turning around, turning that into a money making opportunity.

[Tanner]

And.

[Michelle Beadle]

And the money making opportunity. Turns out it looks like it's a fraudulent crap business to begin with. Honestly, I'm not a religious person, but I pray for the downfall. I really.

[Joe Button]

It's going to be amazing.

[Michelle Beadle]

I. I just.

[Joe Button]

It's going to be amazing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A couple of things.

[Erickson]

Here we go.

[Joe Button]

Should I pause it and hear from you? Let me pause and hear from my distinguished panel.

[Ish]

Sound like a bunch of hate.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's it.

[Joe Button]

So. All right.

[Tanner]

So I'm not the guy to ever say to anybody, I pray for somebody's downfall.

[Flip]

Yeah, it sounds great.

[Tanner]

I think it's tacky. I think it's whack. You say, yo, they don't force him to work that hard. He's just working that hard because he wants to do that.

[Erickson]

That's a.

[Tanner]

It still does not negate the fact that he's working hard. If I'm working hard and you didn't make me work hard, they. That's his reward is the gazillion dollars that they talk about.

[Ish]

You know what it sound like? It sound like they mad because he worked so hard. It's making them look bad, right? Yeah, it does sound like I'm mad at that. Like he worked hard, earned his money, and I was making me look away.

[Joe Button]

I didn't take that part that way.

[Ish]

That's what I took.

[Joe Button]

And I'm not mad at nobody for taking it. This is open for interpretation. I took the. They're not asking him to work. He's work. He. He's trying to get on every show on his own. I took that to correlate to her. Now he's bigger than ESPN point. And you have a problem with that? I took it as her saying, y'.

[Tanner]

All created the monster.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, y' all are the ones that let him get this off right up under your noses. And now look at where you stand. Look at where y' all stand today versus where he stands today. You bigger than y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Tanner]

Which means, yo. Which means that I voluntarily, even if it does, I voluntarily created my value. Even if I went on this show for free and this show for free and this show for free and this show for free, and I kicked ass on those shows. I created my own value and worked hard. Yeah, I took my fate into my own Hands and created my own value to the point where I became a valuable asset that people wanted.

[Flip]

Wanted to see.

[Tanner]

If he went on these shows voluntarily and didn't do right.

[Ish]

Totally not creating value.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They would make sure he wasn't on this.

[Joe Button]

Listen, do you want to hear what he had to say?

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just. Just a little more context. I don't. Because I don't think he says it in the clip. No, he might actually. I don't want to ruin it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Next to her. I don't know you from a can of paint. I think his name is Cody Decker. Oh, I heard you used to play in minor leagues, like eight years.

[Joe Button]

And I feel Steve here, because homeboy was too loud. He was doing too much on the side for somebody I never met. Yo, hold up.

[Ish]

He wasn't. He was too much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was finished and said this is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Co signing in a second has absolutely.

[Tanner]

I disagree.

[Joe Button]

That happens in podcasting too much. I feel like, what if I got beef with somebody on another podcast because we went through something or we had an experience or we had a fallout or we was out somewhere. You let me get jumped. Whatever the case may be, it's ours. Right. That don't give your co host that I've never met full right. To feel how you feel and jump on the mic with this same type of. Now, in podcasting, that happens a lot, but I think that's corny. Like Michelle Beetle should be able to say what she's saying to Steve. He should be able to say what she's saying back without minor league. Dude jumping in. So aggressive. I agree.

[Tanner]

Me personally, I think they selling a pod. This goes back to the Kanye thing. I. I think. I think you get loud, you get boisterous. You hope that the Joe Button podcast and every other medium picks it up and talks about it. So now I'm gonna get some eyes on my shit.

[Ish]

That's why I asked the question. When I said was this.

[Tanner]

I got your question.

[Ish]

I was like, is this their new pod?

[Tanner]

That's where I was going.

[Ish]

This.

[Tanner]

They do pop. I'm gonna shoot at the Big Dog.

[Ish]

The only reason why I disagree with that a little bit is because he said, she's been doing this for 11 years.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's true.

[Tanner]

But now I'm on a new podcast.

[Ish]

Yeah, but if you've been constantly shooting at me for now, if this was right out the blue and you just start shooting. I get it. Aim high and hope that that person say something to you. Put light on you. I got it there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's another piece of this. It's not just that they have a new podcast. It's that she had a radio show and a slot on Sirius that just got pushed out and it's been replaced by a new show. Well, Stephen A. Smith.

[Ish]

Oh, so she tight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So t. That's not coincidental that she.

[Ish]

And it's like every time I blow up somewhere.

[Tanner]

Here you go.

[Ish]

Yeah. Hard working ass best.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I hope your success continues to grow.

[Ish]

That's right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And you make the most of the.

[Joe Button]

Career that you try making too much money.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You did short. All the best to you, bro. I don't know you. Don't know you. My comments are strictly directed at this woman, this lady who I will remind y', all I have not said a word about in over 11 years. I've never spoken about her. Do y' all know why?

[Ish]

Let's get it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know her. You would think there's some beef that's been going on and has been pervasive throughout the industry for years. It's all because of her.

[Joe Button]

Y' all believe you don't know her?

[Erickson]

No.

[Tanner]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

I have never.

[Ish]

I believe him. Said more than hello or goodbye to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Her in the initial stages. And we was at one event for ESPN in 20002013 or whatever it was where we might have spoken for a minute or two. I don't know this woman at all. So when you hear her talking about me, please understand.

[Flip]

I don't know her.

[Joe Button]

All right. All right. I have no clue. All right, Steve, we got it. We got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That kills people.

[Joe Button]

Let me get the.

[Tanner]

Let me know.

[Ish]

Who are you?

[Joe Button]

All right, I got to get the other clip. This is. This is Black Matters here. Here we go. That Michelle Beetle wasn't under my business, but now we got Carrie Champion. Action. Hold up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Being as a person, let me get to somebody I do know.

[Joe Button]

Oh, do it, Steve.

[Stephen A. Smith]

At least I thought I knew.

[Joe Button]

This guy's a Pro.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And that's Ms. Kerry Champion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Kerry Champion.

[Joe Button]

Love you, Carrie.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Love you, Carrie.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Kerry Champion is a person that used to host First Take.

[Erickson]

Huge fan.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Used to work. Oh, used to do Sports Nation stuff like that. Did a pretty damn.

[Joe Button]

If you're listening out there and you don't know what Carrie Champion said and you're gonna tell us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I have to tell you, I was taken aback and I think the word.

[Flip]

Shock aback.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When it came to this Michelle Beetle brouhaha.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love this dude.

[Tanner]

Please.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Play cut number seven.

[Joe Button]

Here we go. Stephen A. I played that Michelle Beetle.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Clip for one reason and one reason only.

[Joe Button]

I'm old enough to remember being on that show and getting in trouble based.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On some comments you said about women.

[Joe Button]

And whether or not they should. Should know their place when it comes to abuse or non abuse.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ray Rice comes to mind.

[Joe Button]

Not going to get into the details.

[Michelle Beadle]

Of all of that, but Beetle just.

[Joe Button]

Came for you yet again like she did when I worked at espn. I wonder, do you have that same smoke for her that you have for Jasmine Crockett that you have for Michelle Obama that you sometimes display for me and Jamel Hill?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you have that same smoke?

[Joe Button]

I'm sick of it. Keep the same energy and I call you and I root for you and.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I say, hey, I got your back.

[Joe Button]

I'm happy for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You keep that same energy, sir, for everybody.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Michelle Beadle]

You called me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You root for me. Why would you root for somebody that called you out and Jamel Hill, who's your good friend? Because it's never happened. Never.

[Joe Button]

Enough. Because that clip is eight minutes. Distinguished panel. Distinguished panel.

[Tanner]

Have enough information. I don't know if he's ever called them out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've never heard him call them out. But Carrie don't usually sell wolf tickets, so I. There's some, there's, there's some information that's missing there. I don't know. It feels a little bit like some. Something inside.

[Joe Button]

Look at your man.

[Flip]

Boy, you got a relation with somebody.

[Joe Button]

You tell when he got his panty liners in.

[Flip]

His cape is flapping too.

[Joe Button]

You can tell when he got the big damp on it. Go ahead. We don't know anything. All we can do. I'm not based off the clip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. I'm saying it sounds like just some behind the scenes shit that we don't know is all I'm saying. Because it's not adding up to me. And I know I've. They're cool. I always hear Jamel shout out Stephen A. And say supportive things and vice versa. Same thing with Carrie. So I don't. I'm actually shocked to hear that part. That's all I'm saying. I don't know. It feels like some behind the scenes.

[Tanner]

Who were the first two people she named before she said herself and Jamel Hill?

[Joe Button]

She said Michelle Obama and Jesse.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jasmine Crawford. Yeah.

[Tanner]

Oh, yeah. It's black woman power. I get it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Tanner]

And I'm not mad at it. I understand it. I understand it. Like, yo, I want you to have the same exact vitriol and vigor that you have for this white lady that you have for the blacks.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's where it's not black woman power to me. That. That's where it's not that to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Crockett.

[Tanner]

Jasmine Crawford.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said Crawford. I just said her name right.

[Joe Button]

I thought I heard Crockett. Um, are black women matters we can discuss? Not off the back of whatever this white lady is saying.

[Tanner]

No, that's what you have to discuss it off the back of. She's saying, yo, this white lady took.

[Joe Button]

A shot at you before, and you.

[Flip]

Try to act like you don't know her.

[Joe Button]

Cool.

[Tanner]

Now, I want you to be as venomous for this white lady the same exact way you have been for the black lady. That's what she's saying.

[Joe Button]

I got it.

[Tanner]

So don't come up here and be soft and whisper for the white lady when you be at the top of your fucking tone for the black lady. I understand that, and I agree. I agree with that as well.

[Flip]

Niggas just like Milk.

[Joe Button]

I want to agree.

[Tanner]

I want to agree.

[Joe Button]

I want to agree with y'. All. I just don't know if I hire somebody. And we just talked on the phone, like she said. We talk. You support me. We kick it. The relationship is not like he's explaining with Michelle Beadle.

[Tanner]

No, she's not saying her. Oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

No, I get that part of what you saying. I'm now talking about his pov, which he continued. We just spoke on the phone. We speak. You support me. I support you. If you felt this way, why not.

[Tanner]

Say it to me on the phone?

[Joe Button]

Privately or on the phone? Why is the first time I'm hearing about this from somebody I consider somewhat of a friend?

[Ish]

I agree.

[Joe Button]

On the Internet. That's what I'm saying. I want to agree with that.

[Ish]

No, no, I'm with him there.

[Tanner]

The two things are true. Dog, if you gonna pull me up in public and I just spoke to you. You my man. Why the fuck you when I spoke to you on the phone?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Tanner]

But what she's saying could still be true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She just shouldn't have said it on.

[Flip]

She shouldn't have said it.

[Tanner]

She shouldn't have said it to him. Yes, I agree.

[Ish]

So I looked up just to see what he might have said about Jemele Hill. Cause I'm trying to find her first. Back in 2017, Jemele Hill tweeted a couple things about Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what got her fired or released.

[Ish]

Calling him the white supremacist stuff. And he basically said, we're a sports network. We speak for ourselves. But we don't speak on behalf of the brand. We. When you attack the president, you're stepping out of our lane. So he kind of sided with the company over her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, who.

[Joe Button]

I don't. I'm saying. Who's surprised to hear that Stephen A. Is a company man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he could have said nothing.

[Tanner]

He could have said nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is his point to, to check carry. Unless ESPN told him to say something.

[Joe Button]

That's not what a company man is, though.

[Tanner]

Good point.

[Joe Button]

Says not saying nothing.

[Ish]

I'm just trying to see where the smoke was in that. Like, I don't.

[Joe Button]

No, I remember all of that when Trump, when Trump ran and Jamel and Michael and ESPN had a slew of very intelligent black people that were on air using their platforms to say, yo dog. And I remember ESPN had a big problem with if they, if nobody ever said nothing, you could tell by what they did with each personality that they had a problem.

[Tanner]

What you said she got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, she was. That was. Yeah, that was like they were anchoring SportsCenter at that time.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then they weren't. You know, I don't know if she was technically fired, but certainly that was the. That was the. ESPN made it very clear. And Jamel's made it clear since then, you know, that that was the last thing when she tweeted that Donald Trump was a white supremacist, which at the time was still seen out of bounds. I don't think if you Tweet that in 2022.

[Tanner]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or 2024. I think she was ahead of the curve. I think she was right.

[Joe Button]

If you tweeted that, you're still liable to lose your job depending on where.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You work at espn.

[Tanner]

Yeah, that's a thousand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the global outrage was even more in 2017 because a lot of stuff had not happened yet.

[Joe Button]

Proof is in the pudding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tanner]

And just we've become way more free as a society in critiquing the President of the United States. And because he's kind of come down to civilian level, you know what I'm saying? Like he a jerk. So we could call him a jerk. Whereas other presidents, even if you didn't agree with him, they still had this level of dignity in class. George Bush, people didn't like him, but he was still a likable guy. Cuz he maintained a certain level of decorum. This right here, like he from the slums.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's also who the ESPN audience is a different audience too. Because a lot of times we think about who we watch ESPN with.

[Flip]

True.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But most of the country that watches espn, it's the people that's watching nascar. It's the people that's watching.

[Joe Button]

Like, yeah, that ain't what they want to hear.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't what they want to hear. Half the country is pissed off that they even anchor in Sports center, shoot black people. At the same time, they didn't like the Stuart scout who was dropping a rap lyric.

[Tanner]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Rest in peace.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rest in peace to the great Stuart Scott. But when you talk about, like, now you're talking about my president. Half the country voted for this motherfucker at the time, and now more than half. So, like, yeah, no, that was.

[Tanner]

Yeah, really good point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

ESPN is thinking about the money.

[Ish]

Really good.

[Joe Button]

Well, there you have it. There you have it.

[Ish]

That's a great point.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Gary. Yeah, for sure.

[Tanner]

Shout out to Steven.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Steve. Steve came up here.

[Tanner]

He's in front of me.

[Joe Button]

What I will say is Steve is on. Nah, not yet. Not yet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of Trump, though, just for a hot second, y' all see the commander's game when he got booed?

[Erickson]

No, I missed it, unfortunately.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you gotta see it. It's worth it.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause it's not like a little boo. Because when presidents get booed sometimes, you know, I've seen people politics get booed. This was so bad. Even Fox News was like.

[Joe Button]

It was a big.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It appears that they're booing the President.

[Erickson]

Well, it didn't help that he was announcing that he wanted to have the stadium named after him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think that's actually what prompted the booze.

[Erickson]

Deservedly so.

[Ish]

Yeah. This just like you're supposed to, like.

[Erickson]

People are supposed to want to name some after you. You're not supposed to, like, demand that they name some after you.

[Tanner]

Yo, come name this block after me.

[Joe Button]

My.

[Tanner]

Yo, that is crazy, dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you don't give a look.

[Joe Button]

Look narcissistic dandy over here.

[Erickson]

I also don't think it'll happen.

[Joe Button]

The Commanders, clearly, they need help with names. This is true.

[Erickson]

They were the Washington football team, for.

[Joe Button]

Which was a better name than the.

[Tanner]

Commanders and better name than the Trumps. Yo, we gonna be the FedEx field, and we gonna name it the Trump Trump.

[Ish]

Feel well, y' all the Commanders. I'm the Commander in Chief, and I ain't never leaving.

[Joe Button]

It's your favorite parts of Manhattan. Got Trump written all over it. Shut up.

[Tanner]

Not mine.

[Joe Button]

You've been a Trump International. Ask for you.

[Flip]

Trump Towers.

[Joe Button]

That's where Ash Want to live when.

[Ish]

It'S setting up Trump Tower.

[Joe Button]

He want to live in Trump Tower.

[Ish]

Picture that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't never stayed there.

[Flip]

Come on. Never.

[Ish]

Trump Tower.

[Tanner]

No.

[Ish]

Trump International.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You've been to Trump Tower before? I've been to Trump Tower once with Candace Owens. Actually. Actually, to me, that sounded crazy.

[Erickson]

That's a great.

[Joe Button]

Big.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

Transgender.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Erickson]

The whole out.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just that word.

[Joe Button]

But. But.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I meant when I did that interview with Candace. We did it in Trump. In. In a. In a suite in Trump.

[Flip]

Was it nice in there? Is it nice?

[Tanner]

Presidential suite.

[Erickson]

You did it in Trump, and it was sweet is what you said.

[Joe Button]

It was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's very.

[Erickson]

Mark La Hill and Candace Owen did it in California.

[Joe Button]

There were no beds in this room.

[Tanner]

Oh, gotcha.

[Joe Button]

I don't want to big up. I'm not going to. Well, I don't want to big up Trump, but there were some pictures floating around of the redesign he did to the.

[Erickson]

The bathroom.

[Joe Button]

Bathroom. Yeah. And they showed the old bathroom and the new bathroom.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one he.

[Joe Button]

His bathroom better.

[Flip]

Architect.

[Joe Button]

His bathroom's better. All beautiful. White marble everywhere.

[Erickson]

Wish it was like some old 50s art deco, like. Yeah, they all bad dolphins colors. Like, it was.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it was like 1950s turquoise mar. It was nasty. Yeah. And we got redoing that oval office. Now.

[Tanner]

I might not pay the architect, though.

[Joe Button]

His track record, but it's cool. I'm just talking about the redesigning all.

[Ish]

Not leaving. I'm trying.

[Tanner]

Comfy?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Ish]

That's why I'm doing all this.

[Joe Button]

Is he giving all us two grand?

[Ish]

It's for the non rich.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said so who is us?

[Ish]

It said the non rich.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did it say that?

[Erickson]

I think the rest of us might be good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We good.

[Ish]

You not.

[Joe Button]

Yo, is he giving all of us two grand?

[Flip]

I thought we was back.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man. Hey, no, wait.

[Flip]

What you say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I said all of us. But you are getting it.

[Ish]

Yeah, you don't get it.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I'm like a great o line boy.

[Flip]

You getting it, too.

[Joe Button]

Hide behind me. You protect yo. Hide behind me, y'. All. Hey, they right, audience.

[Flip]

It's just dumb. Take all the shots.

[Joe Button]

It's just dumb.

[Flip]

Take all the shots. Getting two grand, stupid is you getting two grand.

[Tanner]

I don't know what the requirement.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I assume you a know last time.

[Joe Button]

And you still put that little don't.

[Flip]

Laugh, snatch that right on up for my son. You know what? I kind of got that two grand, but you.

[Joe Button]

It's.

[Tanner]

I never got two.

[Flip]

I give my two grand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, are you getting a two grand?

[Flip]

Yeah, to get my man. Let me get $100.

[Joe Button]

Yo, where are the Trump tax breaks? Good question. Is that a bad thing to ask on a black podcast? No, I ain't both of them, but.

[Flip]

You acting like it don't get.

[Ish]

Don't get Mark started. Don't get Mark started.

[Joe Button]

Listen, but what y' all did. I mean, I did.

[Flip]

Since we here, it should have started to benefit a little bit.

[Joe Button]

No. Oh, man, I ain't seen a breath break the first.

[Ish]

It wasn't for you. Yes, they was, but no, it's for his people.

[Tanner]

No, they was for him.

[Joe Button]

I mean, I thought it was gonna be in that bracket.

[Erickson]

I don't know if he's in that bracket.

[Ish]

I'm talking about other Joe's in that bracket.

[Tanner]

You crazy.

[Joe Button]

I ain't seen nothing happen. It's all. Maybe Parks might be right. I ain't seen nothing shaking. It's going up, actually.

[Flip]

I mean, you married. You married.

[Tanner]

Made more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You made a lot more. That's all.

[Tanner]

Yeah, you ain't playing for the.

[Flip]

What you said the fall off.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, the fall off.

[Flip]

And you ain't prepared for the. For the upgrade.

[Joe Button]

Just. I ain't. I ain't preparing for no fall off. I'll get rid of one of y' all before this go down. We know. Yeah, you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, we do you already.

[Flip]

Oh, you didn't know.

[Joe Button]

All right. We got Travis Scott said.

[Tanner]

Huh?

[Flip]

Get rid of stupid.

[Joe Button]

Y' all having mad fun. Y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Button]

Y' all laughing at my expense. What y' all saying?

[Flip]

No, I'm down with you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We down with you, man.

[Flip]

He down with you, but I'm down with you, too. Nah, I don't get your power.

[Joe Button]

Me up.

[Flip]

Nah, D, me up.

[Joe Button]

Don't fall for the fan made narratives.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give him half. Give me half.

[Flip]

I can't give half. I can't give him half. Cause I'm not getting half. So I get my man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Stop that. You got to work smarter, not harder.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Joe Button]

There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They really gave that excuse.

[Joe Button]

Look, you work exchange.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, look, son, you're working hard. You're working smarter. Don't listen to what they're telling you. You're getting twice, Mark.

[Flip]

It is a pot of gold. There's a clip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Believes the narrative.

[Flip]

Hold on this. There's corporate men, and there's a corporate man. Watch your mouth, hear me?

[Tanner]

I don't understand.

[Flip]

You guys work. You've been working for your whole life.

[Tanner]

I've been self employed for your whole life.

[Flip]

I've been self employed. Keep working for his whole life, too. Stand on my own, boy.

[Tanner]

I've been self employed for 21 years. When you was bragging about your t Mobile chat.

[Flip]

BMW, my wife.

[Tanner]

I thought it was a Cadillac. I had.

[Flip]

I had the X3 too. She said, you didn't even get the X5. You a buff. My wife cursed me out the other day about that. Why you bringing up that stupid. And we had an argument about back in the days, I used to use the food stamps or whatever the. She used to get to buy the. What's the n. What's that? Drink one of the natural drinks. She said you'll buy all that shit naked. The naked? Ooh, I bought like 30, nigga. She like, you take half the money from the kids. I didn't give a fuck. I was ignorant.

[Joe Button]

It was a stretch where I was using the strawberry banana naked to chase a cigarette.

[Tanner]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It didn't work.

[Joe Button]

No, you can use anything to chase a cigarette. I'm just saying. Listen to that level of that sound it.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm glad you got out of that dog. That's nasty.

[Joe Button]

That's a nasty boy. I don't care.

[Flip]

Itch, itch. You drink naked?

[Joe Button]

Who the fuck you judging me? Niggas have.

[Flip]

You drink n naked?

[Tanner]

I wanted to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They filled with sugar, though.

[Ish]

They sugar?

[Flip]

Yeah, they like 50 grams, 60 grams of sugar.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. Story came out about naked.

[Flip]

Yeah, they ain't no people here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All natural.

[Flip]

At the time, I didn't think I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was drinking them too.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I'll take one down to pinch, though.

[Joe Button]

Still.

[Erickson]

I don't care.

[Flip]

Still.

[Erickson]

Tequila.

[Joe Button]

Naked. Travis Scott said, pushy T, y' all can here. No, no.

[Ish]

Kanye pop out.

[Joe Button]

I was glad he said it, though. You saw that, right? What?

[Ish]

Kanye popped back out with him.

[Joe Button]

No, I didn't. Yeah, yeah, that.

[Ish]

Back with Travis. Travis.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I don't care about that.

[Ish]

I'm just saying it's all happened at the same time.

[Joe Button]

Oh, Kanye. Another didn't need to just go to bed, go to sleep.

[Flip]

I thought about Kanye and the rabbi.

[Ish]

Y talked about that, right?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. On Friday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Smoked it. Smooth topic.

[Flip]

I support that. I'm down with that. I would love that. I'm go. I'm go back and watch it.

[Tanner]

Shalom.

[Erickson]

There you go.

[Flip]

To give you my view.

[Joe Button]

Thank you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's up?

[Erickson]

Appreciate it.

[Joe Button]

I appreciate that. All right. So y' all don't care that Travis Scott said you said you glad he said it? Huh?

[Ish]

You said you glad he said it.

[Joe Button]

I'm glad he said It I like the. That can't rap. For real. Their dis being yo listener. I like that because he should be able to have some type of defense for somebody that can without getting in the booth. Yeah. And he ain't going to do that. So get on stage and say that. I ain't going to lie. When I put all Drake dishes out and he was on tour in every city, that was like P P that Y. Remember that Y. Remember that little song, huh?

[Ish]

Had that little slap.

[Joe Button]

Man, that. That is funny sometimes when a say that, you the big dog. Yeah.

[Ish]

The funny was him trying to invite you to the shoulder.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, right.

[Ish]

That was funny.

[Joe Button]

No, the funny ship was my oldest son saying, hey, we gonna need them tickets from Drake if we are in all hell. The kids don't get care about that. The kids deciding with who's hotter, how they got on Earth. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Do y' all care about. Oh, wait, the government shutdown's almost over. Come on, round of applause. No.

[Tanner]

See, a that's just out of touch.

[Flip]

A that's just out of touch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thing.

[Joe Button]

Oh, all right.

[Flip]

Yo, my bad, my bad.

[Joe Button]

Yo, they could be shut down. You don't give a. I'm going to look at a lot, you know, in the House.

[Tanner]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

Wait, no, tell me what happened. Tell us.

[Erickson]

The Democrats caved out. All the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Basically the reason they were holding out is the reason.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The Affordable Care act. And. And yeah, basically they're the. All they got, basically, was an agreement for a vote as opposed to actual funding or subsidies for it.

[Joe Button]

So basically, take my clap my employer.

[Erickson]

I'll put them in reverse.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They held out for a long time for basically nothing.

[Joe Button]

They gotta learn from the mta. They gotta. You were learning strike properly and know.

[Tanner]

And that's the knock on them. Yeah, that's the knot the Democrats is.

[Erickson]

And it's a valid knot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They're a bunch of valid. Yeah, yeah.

[Tanner]

Would have went through Thanksgiving with no bread and been blaming Trump for it. They might have got some more.

[Joe Button]

Is the airport going to be working again?

[Erickson]

What a great episode we had today.

[Joe Button]

I'mma be home. I'm not flying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Flip]

Yeah, they back this.

[Joe Button]

This high behind me, y'. All.

[Tanner]

That's only me.

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's you.

[Tanner]

They got private jet money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I say you going to t. The what airport?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, the private jets are in a pickle, too. It's the air traffic control. Who you think private jets you Guys bleed too, huh, Joe? Yeah, guys. You was on a private jet, too. Yours. That was smaller. My small.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was like. I was like Snoopy in that. Yeah, I was scared of my little.

[Joe Button]

Scarf and what Private Landing said.

[Flip]

Yo, where's Woodstock in this.

[Ish]

Joke? That is a joke.

[Erickson]

A hell for the Snoopy jokes.

[Joe Button]

Air traffic controller. All right, so we should have been rooting for the government shutdown to continue because it would. Would have been the dim standing strong. Yes. In the negotiations.

[Tanner]

In my opinion.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it, got it, got it. Most people are saying that ain't how.

[Joe Button]

The Fox News explained it to me. Yeah, I bet they didn't say that at all. At all.

[Ish]

See his new channel, right?

[Tanner]

Yo, why you on Fox, though, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because.

[Joe Button]

You ever watch? All right, Guilty pleasure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like.

[Joe Button]

I like Fox News's news in the morning.

[Ish]

In the morning.

[Erickson]

Local.

[Joe Button]

Like local news. Oh, you mean.

[Ish]

I thought you said Fox News.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it's a different thing.

[Joe Button]

Good day. And Diana. Diana.

[Ish]

That's different.

[Joe Button]

Oh, oh, wait a. I think you.

[Tanner]

Got a crush on Mike woods, too.

[Joe Button]

Yo, yo, come on, man. Always talk about Mike Woods.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mike's Woods.

[Joe Button]

I can't. On the new. On the Fox News. I'm talking about the other day. Damn. I wish I remembered the guy's name. But the news anchor, he used to do the football shit, too. But he's on Fox News.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On Fox 5. On Fox 5. It's called Fox 5.

[Joe Button]

And they were talking to Eric A. Adams.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that was great. So you saw it virally? Yes.

[Joe Button]

That bite. It was great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it was great.

[Erickson]

Did y' all watch the Z wave?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The spicy back? Oh, I watched every minute of it.

[Joe Button]

That was great.

[Tanner]

Zway.

[Joe Button]

Eric Adams was must see tv. That was good, Eric. See the people. I want to be content creators. Eric Adams needs to be a content creator. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, he's funny without trying. He don't realize he's funny.

[Ish]

I don't know if. Yeah, I think that's funny.

[Erickson]

I don't know how he didn't realize. Is the joke in that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or maybe he did a couple times. He did a couple times. He didn't.

[Erickson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes he's like, I know you're with me, but I don't know. I don't get it. But I know you with me.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I'm.

[Joe Button]

Keep going. I think he was a good sport about it.

[Erickson]

He was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was a good sport.

[Joe Button]

He's like. You think I'm hitting on you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Interact.

[Joe Button]

Eric Adams is. I'm interacting with you. Eric Adams is funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then when he did the replay of all the. He was saying that was it. Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Button]

That's that old Smooth when I get.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Out the shower with my six pack ass. What? Who says that?

[Joe Button]

You stuck in your baggage, Old Smooth. This come right up a popping bar Saturday night. Pass me that water right, sweetheart.

[Flip]

Pass me that orange. Pass me that orange peel right here. I'm sure I can do with it.

[Joe Button]

Get yourself something too. That like Popeye with it with the orange feel.

[Flip]

You know that outside of be dirty you don't give a holy sh. Good for your system.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You want to do sleepers?

[Joe Button]

I want to honor one of our black greats that we lost. Oh, yeah, yeah. Lenny Wilkins.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, the great Lenny Wilkins.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's what I want. I don't want to get the sleepers. You ain't got one of your cool little autobiographies ready now, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, Lindy Wilkins, one of the great greatest players of all time. Top 75. Yes, he was. He was named to the top. Yeah, see, fix your face. He was named to the top NBA's greatest 50 and greatest 75 list. One of the greatest point guards of all time. Drafted by the Seattle supersonics. Made his bones there before becoming an elite NBA coach for the Cleveland Cavaliers. He's one of the. I think he's third all time winning this coach in NBA history. And at one point did not know.

[Joe Button]

Lenny Wilkins was on the top 75 player list. I did not know that he retired.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wired is one of probably. Probably the top eight point guards in NBA history. And then over time, obviously as more we drafted more point guards. But he was an elite NBA point guard, an incredible playmaker, one of the greatest passers we've ever seen, I think. And winning his coach for a lot.

[Joe Button]

Of y' all lives out there for sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What he won in Atlanta, what he won. I mean he was a special coach and one special player. He's probably the best player. I'm trying to think player, coach in terms of being great on both ends. I mean you could say Bill Russell, but Larry Bird too. But in terms of longevity, there's nobody who's been that elite as a coach and that elite as a player in NBA history.

[Ish]

Don't say great on both ends while doing this again, just don't do that. I'm uncomfortable.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought during an in memoriam we could cause we would be mature. But the greatest coach of all time. One of the greatest coaches of all time, rather. Yeah. But Lenny Wilkins was a legend on. On both ends. I hear it. And you know I, I remember one of my favorite moments with Lenny Wilkins was not personally just watching him.

[Joe Button]

I would have clothesline Mark if Mark had a Lenny Wilkins story.

[Erickson]

Like, he already got you your little jokey joke.

[Joe Button]

You got your little jokey joke. The took the ball and hauled ass like Saquon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I remember my last time I was.

[Joe Button]

With Lenny, you know what I'm saying? We said I was a piece of salmon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did know Lenny Wilkins. I have had conversations with Lenny Wilkins, but that wasn't the story I was about to tell. What I appreciated was when in LeBron's rookie year when he was playing against, or Lenny Wilkins was coaching against LeBron, they asked him, they asked Lenny Wilkins, what's it like to, you know, to coach against LeBron James. And he said, said, I'm one of the winningest coaches in NBA history. I'm a top 50 player of all time. Perhaps you should ask him what it's like to, you know, to, to, to play against me. And he wasn't saying it with arrogance. He was saying it like.

[Joe Button]

With arrogance.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about. I'm saying it a little more cocky. He said it, he was more saying it like, put some respect on my nature of us. Yes, exactly.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because people, some people don't even remember he was a player, much less that he was one of the greatest of all, all time. You know what I'm saying? So there's a way that we don't give Lenny Wilkins the credit. We talk about the Phil Jacksons, we talk about all these people, but nobody has won as much as Lenny Wilkins in the type of situations that he was put in. That's the other thing to me, with Lenny Wilkins, he wasn't given five superstars or three hall of Famers or two all stars until win the championship. He made teams better and he was just a great coach. That Hawks team. Kevin Willis. No, Dominique.

[Erickson]

Steve Smith.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he had, yeah, Steve Smith was there at one point. Yeah, he had good players, but he didn't have. I'm just saying, he, when you look at the legends, the Larry Browns, the, the Phil Jacksons, the, the, the, the Pat Riley spoke. Pop. That's what I was trying to think of. I mean, they had some other worldly generational talent sometimes, and Lenny Wilkins was able to make something out of nothing. So I just, I always respect him. The other thing is he was a players coach and behind the scenes he was always advocating for players to get money, for players to get better deals, for the league rules to change, for collective bargaining to change. Lenny Wilkins Was that guy in front of the camera and behind the camera, and he was cooler than a motherfucker.

[Joe Button]

So shout out to Lenny Wilkins, man.

[Erickson]

Andrew, little joke.

[Ish]

Rest in peace.

[Erickson]

And your little joke about Mark's ability to obituate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Obituate.

[Joe Button]

Off the cuff. Yeah, yeah, off the cuff.

[Erickson]

Smoked him.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Erickson]

It's cool, though. Recipes. Lenny Wilkins.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bet you wish you did sleepers now, huh?

[Joe Button]

I don't know if we're doing sleepers. I've heard enough. AI.

[Tanner]

Yo, they. They flooding my DMS with, yo, this another AI Slap.

[Joe Button]

Then the funny he played that. I came in here with that album, my boy. I gave my whole spiel about how I feel about it. It. And then I went in the car maybe the week, two weeks after that, and I looked at that. That he played, and I said, I'mma play it. I'm going to play it knowing what it is, understanding what it is, and just see.

[Tanner]

They sent me a new one.

[Flip]

It was still fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fire.

[Joe Button]

It was still hard. I almost added it to a playlist, but I didn't. I didn't. Or just start. I put no Robot in my playlist. Your old playlist.

[Flip]

Send me that record. Ish.

[Joe Button]

No, that. No, that record's still hard.

[Tanner]

It's a new one.

[Joe Button]

And if they have finished that guitar solo on hand, I really let y' all know something. Yeah. All right. I don't have. Just want to make sure I don't have anything else part of.

[Tanner]

Part of the show.

[Joe Button]

Let's see. Summer Steven Travis, Outkast, Salt and pepper.

[Ish]

Welcome home.

[Joe Button]

XB Gun, WWE, 50 Year Mortgage, Summer Walker. Anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Ish]

Yep. Well, you got it.

[Joe Button]

That's all I got. That's all I got.

[Erickson]

Look, y', all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We did it.

[Tanner]

Sounds good.

[Joe Button]

Let's see if we got a part of the show. See if anybody needs our help out there. Mark, how's that a hundred dollar tier doing over there? They supporting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I gotta say shout out to the.

[Joe Button]

I gotta say. Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To the people who've done it. You know, it's been enough.

[Joe Button]

It's been.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You'll see soon. You'll see. They'll find out. January for you is.

[Joe Button]

It's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Joe Button]

I'm not putting a $100 tier out in this economy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that.

[Tanner]

Especially 99, right?

[Flip]

Exactly.

[Tanner]

92, 94, 99.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute to everybody that's done the $100 tier. And everybody's done the 40, 25 and 10 as well. Shout out to everybody who support Patreon.

[Tanner]

Mark Lamont Hill official.

[Joe Button]

That's it. This motherfucker Y N sends something every day, boy. God damn. Let me see if somebody else sends something. Something. All right, fine. We'll go. Y Y says, after Yalls convo with DJ Head, I'm wondering, would y' all be interested in Drake's version of 444 or Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers? At this point, I'm not sure that the stick to the Slaps model is enough. There seems to be a reckoning of some sort that needs to happen. In a dream world. Who would drake call for his 444 moment? What producers or features should he tap the shoulder of? What subjects should he address versus stay away from? I'd love to hear y' all use this as a fix this business segment like y' all did for Ty. Well, there was a reason why we did it for Ty and we look really foolish doing that for the Billion Dollar Boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

So I won't do a fix this business on him.

[Tanner]

Oh, yeah. For business.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. But I mean, we could get some suggestions.

[Tanner]

I think that's a dope question.

[Erickson]

It is a dope question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's a great.

[Joe Button]

I would 100% be interested in Drake's version of 444.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Joe Button]

If he got with 40 and Boy Wonder.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Joe Button]

Put I throw a vinyls beat on there, but those could be in there. Yeah. Boy wonders there. Vinyl should be and that's it. But yeah, 444 was HOV going to therapy coming out and letting us know about the findings and the conversations and how him and his wife was work through some. He. He was very transparent, introspective in ways that we weren't used to hearing. And if Drake found a way to do that, I think the world is interested. Yeah, I think the world is much more interested than the kitty slaps.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, Agreed.

[Joe Button]

That's just my opinion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree with that.

[Tanner]

I think that would be dope, actually.

[Erickson]

Me too.

[Tanner]

You know how comedians do some and then they got to come back at their next stand up with the serious stand up and do the whole transparency so we could get past it.

[Joe Button]

Shit.

[Tanner]

I think that would be fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You just have to. You just have to have the moment that makes the 444 possible. Right. You have to live a certain thing. And if Drake's had that mo. I don't know Drake's life, if he's had that moment that I'm ready for it. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

That was a mistake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like. Like, when I think of, like, even like in other genres, like Marvin, you Know, like Marvin Gaye, like I, I mean everybody thinks about what's going on. But for me, here, my dear, is a moment where of like transparency and honesty and vulnerability. But he had to go through that shit with his wife, right? So whatever Drake goes through and gets clarity on, once he does that and he's rapping, I think it's gonna be maybe his best work. I can't, I can't wait to hear that from Drake.

[Joe Button]

See, but some would, some would. Some people would say that the year that was the battle should have been the event that caused it.

[Tanner]

Could have, we don't know.

[Joe Button]

Could be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Tanner]

I'm sure, bro. He sat in some rooms by himself and got his self reflection bag on. Well, how did I end up here? What did I do to get here? All of the things about him and other niggas, girls, all of the things about him being a certain type of person. I'm sure he has had to sit with all of that in some way, shape or form.

[Ish]

I think he's tried to do that like in music. Like even though. What did I miss?

[Joe Button]

Shit.

[Ish]

Like, I mean he's still trying to. He's still to trying chasing the slap because he's programmed to think I gotta have a slap. But I'm still like, oh, this. The people that I was down with turned their backs on me and all of it. Like I'm still. That's. That's some introspection right there. That's me trying to figure out what's going on.

[Tanner]

Real interesting. I agree with that.

[Ish]

But I said some. I'm not saying he didn't, he didn't dig deep.

[Tanner]

I agree with you. He could have dug deep and just not put it on wax. But I think that accountability is where your introspection really starts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tanner]

You can find yourself account because all the other shit he just shooting at these niggas, right? Yo, I was your man. I looked out for you, you piece of shit. You turned your back on me. Like at some point he has to, if he has not already gotten into the Me looking in the mirror, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S what made 444 so great. Is he talking about his shit where he went wrong?

[Ish]

Well, you got a mark. Accountability.

[Joe Button]

You're in a room with people, people that don't feel like 444. Was that great? I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna put that on my moon landing list.

[Joe Button]

We getting out of here, but I got my main man 100 grand. On the side over there, man. Start winning games, they haircut get spun. That look like money, boy. Stop playing with that, man.

[Tanner]

Y' all see your little dumbass Daniel.

[Joe Button]

Look at getting buckets. You're getting some jokes when you come over here. But I want to start with congrats. Jonathan Taylor, I drafted him. Second round, going crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm winning.

[Ish]

Second round, I picked up Alec Pierce.

[Joe Button]

Second round, he going crazy.

[Tanner]

Yeah. No, he pissing me off.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Jonathan Taylor saved my entire.

[Tanner]

I got. I got pissed off, man.

[Ish]

Pissing me off.

[Flip]

That.

[Tanner]

Pissing me.

[Joe Button]

Congrats to the cult.

[Tanner]

Indeed.

[Joe Button]

Our boys out here couldn't be happier for him. And with that said, it's a good pod, man. Good pod, good time, good times with some good people, man. You guys have been awesome out there listening. You guys are the most awesomest audience in the world. World.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

I really appreciate y'. All. Couldn't do this without y'. All.

[Ish]

We do it for y'. All.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Please, please keep us in your prayers. Please do. Lord knows we need to be there.

[Flip]

That we do.

[Joe Button]

Till the next time we bid you a due farewell. Adiosa riva dirche Hasta la vista Are so long Goodbye or simple head nod will suffice with love Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. Moments do indeed pass.

[Tanner]

Preach.

[Joe Button]

But we going to make this one last as if it's all we have. It's all. And lastly. Oh, oh.

[Flip]

But if you don't, just let me know.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man. This was that boy. This might even be my mom's favorite song.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think a lot of people.

[Joe Button]

I think this is my mom's favorite song of all time. Well, after Purple Rain. One of them anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Lastly. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. We really appreciate y' all listening, man. Y' all hold it down this week. Oh, nah, he cooking. That's why he sold. That's why it's so.

[Flip]

A boy whose.

[Joe Button]

Teacher has told him goodbye on a sillier podcast. I'll break down what those lyrics could have meant.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cuz it just hit me with cuz early on.

[Joe Button]

Cuz. Yeah. Cuz. I didn't know that George might. Back in the day. Yeah. So now. Hey, why you even singing to your teacher? Actually, yeah.

[Flip]

You know what's going to lock him up.

[Ish]

All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Change.

[Joe Button]

God damn it. There we go. Before you go, yo. I mean, yo, I Be forgetting the dark room I'm in. This room's humor is dark. Dark Boy, if you have a teacher that's doing that, make sure to tell the principal or your parents when you get old. Tell a principal. Tell the principal.

[Tanner]

Tell your daddy with the biggest gun out.

[Joe Button]

You talking about assuming they have a dad? Assuming they have a dad.

[Flip]

We love y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Button]

That's a great way to not have a dad. Tell your dad come up here and kill the teacher. Oh, man. What y' all doing this week?

[Flip]

Come on, you ask.

[Joe Button]

What y' all doing this week? Anything funny. Anything funny. Anything fun.

[Flip]

We don't do nothing fun. Asking please. Nothing.

[Joe Button]

All right. It's. Hey, I never want to dance again. Guilty feet have got no rhythm. No. It's easy to pretend. You know I'm not a fool.

[Flip]

Yes. Should have known better than the cheese.

[Tanner]

Y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Button]

And dad will be back this week. Yeah.

[Flip]

Like three in the morning on his way to Wawa. Like a look at the mirror. I slap you, man.

[Joe Button]

Who wins the versus Cindy Lauper or George Michael?

[Flip]

George Michael, man.

[Joe Button]

George Michael. Now wham.

[Tanner]

George Michael.

[Erickson]

Still George Michael.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Still George Michael. George Michael was weighing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that part.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was George Michael in his.

[Joe Button]

But if you're not counting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. Just jumping. I don't know.

[Ish]

He got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got slaps in Aretha Franklin. That faith. That faith.

[Ish]

What, Joe?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Never mind.

[Flip]

Would it be nice? Yo, how do you know that?

[Tanner]

This is an anomaly.

[Flip]

I know.

[Joe Button]

Cindy better sit down. Yeah, please. Cindy better sit down.

[Erickson]

Girls do want to have fun.

[Flip]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

She can't get one point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Joe Button]

Yo, come on.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Now this is crazy. Yo, Jordan Michael, I'm sorry for being disrespectful. I'm sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze.

[Joe Button]

You don't know the record. Wait, what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, wait.

[Erickson]

You don't know this song?

[Ish]

I'm not doing this with y' all today.

[Joe Button]

Laughing. I ain't trying. I ain't laughing.

[Erickson]

No, this is serious.

[Joe Button]

Freeze. Heard this song, but yes, Flav, you freeze. Oh, not just remember.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was singing. He dressed up as George Michael. They were singing this.

[Ish]

That AC200 episodes.

[Joe Button]

All right, but now that you hear it, what do you think? Do it sound good? This was summer rain before summer rain.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The jeans and the boots and the stubble.

[Flip]

You the doctor. That was your bad.

[Joe Button]

You go to doctor.

[Flip]

You stuff now, Bree with the guy, sting it.

[Joe Button]

Out. I'm sorry, George Michael.

[Flip]

I was just trying to make podcasts.

[Tanner]

Hot.

[Erickson]

Take the Wham. Christmas song is better than where I carry Christmas song.

[Joe Button]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Little baby made a Christmas song.

[Joe Button]

What's the Wham Christmas song?

[Flip]

What?

[Joe Button]

Freeze you mute up the very next day.

[Flip]

Take it away. Oh, that's a. Oh, yeah. Duh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And. And.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

This song is better than the Mariah Christmas song.

[Ish]

What? Mariah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And this is why Cindy Lo would get on that stage.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

What Mariah we talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You better play with something safe.

[Joe Button]

Come on, man. Crazy free. I just never knew this as a Christmas song.

[Flip]

This was the first bar.

[Joe Button]

I know. I just never. This thing is crazy.

[Flip]

Watch your mouth, Breeze. Better. It's better. Acknowledge it now.

[Ish]

It's probably better than what Mariah the scientist did.

[Joe Button]

That's the only one not caring.

[Ish]

Definitely not talking about Carrie.

[Joe Button]

That's a better song than that Mariah Carey Christmas song.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Button]

It is. All right, so you sing the Mariah Christmas.

[Ish]

I'm not singing anything.

[Joe Button]

How I go. How? I'm not saying how I go there, tough ass.

[Flip]

I know how I'm not saying Christmas.

[Joe Button]

Go home and listen to ill man again. Shut up. No, hey.

[Ish]

I do listen to Lil Baby.

[Tanner]

I told you.

[Flip]

Oh, God, listen to him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rocker.

[Flip]

Hey, Miami, wake me up before you go.

[Joe Button]

Go. How dare you say you never heard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I smack the out.

[Joe Button]

You never heard your song. You never heard say you never heard.

[Tanner]

All right, now.

[Joe Button]

Now it's up for you, right? When they.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When they was in the. In the like twice at the gas station when they.

[Ish]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not one.

[Flip]

Watch your mouth, too.

[Joe Button]

You so anti white money, anti black. You anti Oreo, anti white and black. You've never heard of Joe Buddy or Wham.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Boom.

[Tanner]

We'll fold that up right now.

[Joe Button]

Don't look away now.