Episode 878 | "Streets Need A Body"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 878 | "Streets Need A Body"

Date: November 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Joe Budden and co-hosts Mona Scott-Young, Mark Lamont Hill, Ish, and Imani return for a classic session of laughter, storytelling, music reviews, and real talk. The episode covers burning hip-hop controversies, social media drama, in-depth music reviews (including Summer Walker and Wale’s new projects), generational debates, relationship ethics, hot news topics, and a healthy dose of unfiltered banter. Each host brings signature energy and humor while also addressing serious issues around race, apologies in the digital age, and navigating friendships under public scrutiny.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Navigating Social Media Backlash and Apologies

• Rory’s Old Tweets & Internet “Cancel Culture”
  • The crew unpacks Rory’s Twitter controversy triggered by resurfaced tweets interpreted as racist and offensive.
  • [20:40] Mark Lamont Hill details the incident: “Some of them were RTs... some were rap lyrics… and some were offensive to celebrities… The story got bigger than I thought it would be — when I saw it on TMZ, I was like ooh.”
  • [23:54] Joe: “His position was, anybody that knows me knows that I don't hate black people… but people were trying to tell him, we all don't know you...”
• How to Apologize & the Futility of Pleasing the Internet
  • Kayla Nicole’s apology letter is held up as an “anatomy of an apology” masterclass, but the hosts debate if apologies ever satisfy public outrage.
  • [35:09] Mark: “They want a pound of flesh... I’d rather they be mad at me for my apology than my non-apology.”
  • [37:10] “Here’s what apology should be: I’m sorry. Here’s my understanding of what I did wrong. I'll never do it again. Here’s how I’m gonna make this right.”
• Double Standards in Forgiveness
  • Hosts debate societal grace (or lack thereof) for public figures, especially white allies in Black spaces.
  • Mona emphasizes extra vigilance: “If you’re white and you benefit off shit like that, you have to be super vigilant about what you say and do. Period.” ([28:47])

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Music Review Deep Dive

Summer Walker – New Album

• General consensus: Mixed opinions, with most hosts loving the first half and feeling the second half becomes more cliche.
• [39:41] Mona: “I’m proud of Summer. Summer has social anxiety real bad... she grew a lot.”
• [52:11] Joe’s comic honesty: “I don't want to hear Summer loving herself. I don’t want to hear Summer finally over him... finding herself. In real life, I applaud it. On records, I want the pain!”
• Group banter about expectations, song length, and the power of messy, pained R&B.
  • [47:26] Ish compares lengths of Summer’s projects, revealing she’s always favored short songs.
• Notable moment: Mark admits he’s “texting people from the nurse home bathroom” hyped by the album ([43:47]).

Wale – New Album

• Unanimous praise for introspective lyricism, song structure, and sampling.
• [60:56] Joe: “Wale is special, bro. He’s highly underrated. Consistently.”
• [65:56] Ish: “Certain albums you need to hear in the car.”
• [63:40] Mark: “It’s a very good vibe. Vibey album. You could put this on... night or day.”

Other Music Highlights

• Meek Mill’s indie pack, Kodak Black’s surprising consistency, Cardi B’s remix drops, Jeezy’s features.
• Mona: “People underestimate Kodak. He’s not sober... but he makes good music” ([78:01]).
• Nostalgic banter on early music listening habits and “getting thick” at the gym ([79:55]).

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Generational & Relationship Debates

The “Blessing” Dilemma: Friendship Ethics

• Debate about giving friends permission (a “blessing”) to work with or befriend an adversary.
• [86:27] Joe: “When you give the fake blessing, does the room acknowledge that’s a thing?”
• The panel explores real vs. fake blessings, and whether it’s on the “blesser” or “blessee” to discern true intentions.
• Conversation expands into dating exes, “the code,” and double standards for men and women.

Age Gaps in Dating: The Kevin Gates Controversy

• Heated segment regarding Kevin Gates’s remarks on dating younger women.
• [108:29] Mona: “That’s regular. Men can do what women can't, that’s just how it is.”
• [111:12] Joe: “Go Kevin Gates for standing on it. You rarely hear a man say, I love this shit, I’m not gonna stop.”

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Hot Topics & Social Commentary

Cultural Accountability & Double Standards

• Klay Thompson, Meg Thee Stallion & “Battleship” Analogy
  • [123:10] Jason Williams’s saying (“pussy can drag a battleship across a desert”) sparks debate over blaming women for athletes’ performance dips.
  • Klay’s public response rejected objectification of Meg and called for more respect.
  • Hosts discuss whether relationship distractions are blamed unfairly, especially on Black women.

Conspiracy Corner & Epstein Files

• Mark provides an update on the Epstein email leaks connecting Trump and other powerful figures.
• The group debates whether Ghislaine Maxwell is still in jail, and if releasing "the list" would ever be allowed:
  • [159:15] Mona: “They coming for us. We can’t even say ‘if you know, you know’...”
  • [164:19] Mona: “How do y’all decide which conspiracy theories to take part in?”
  • Mark: “They're from Newark. They believe everything except the Malcolm X story.”

Target’s "Smile Policy" & Service Sector Labor

• Target now requires employees to smile more.
• [144:12] Mark: “Making it a policy just creates ways to fuck with workers.”
• Joe defends the policy for customer experience but agrees companies must also pay workers better.

Headline Oddities & “Whose Side Are You On?”

• Viral story: A man buys a storage unit for $500, finds $7.5M inside, and is asked to return the cash.
  • [173:33] Joe: “Assuming the law says you own it... Whose side are you on?”
  • Hosts mostly agree they’d take the $1.2M payout rather than risk drama (“I like my family, I like my fingers”).
• Lighthearted pennygate: Should you throw away pennies? Mona (shockingly) admits to it, prompting spiritual debate.

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TV, Streaming, and Offbeat Banter

• Review of “All Her Fault” (Peacock): All agree it’s a “good bad show,” messy, fun, and impossible not to finish. Joe complains about white kid actors: “By episode seven, all I could say is this is a cute little white baby. This white little baby... was having the greatest time. Mac and cheese again.” ([183:39])
• Upcoming show recommendations: “Plus/” (Apple TV) described as a comedic, weird, but intriguing.
• Banter about hot dog (glizzy) etiquette at Knicks games, with Joe confessing to eating “double barrel” ([169:28]).
• Closing out with family stories, celebration of Mona’s new home, and playful warnings about not stealing deodorant from Target anymore.
• Final words: A signature musical outro.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• [28:47] Mona: “If you’re white and you benefit off shit like that, you have to be super vigilant about what you say and do.”
• [35:09] Mark Lamont Hill: “They want a pound of flesh. But I’ll tell you one thing, I’d rather be mad at me for my apology than my non-apology.”
• [52:11] Joe Budden: “I don't want to hear Summer loving herself... I want the pain!”
• [60:56] Joe: “Wale is special, bro. He’s highly underrated. Consistently.”
• [79:55] Ish: “You getting thick, dog. Ain’t nothing wrong with guys doing squats.”
• [111:12] Joe: “Go Kevin Gates for standing on it. You rarely hear a man say, I love this shit, I’m not gonna stop.”
• [123:12] Jason Williams (via Mark Lamont Hill): “Pussy can drag a battleship across a desert.”
• [149:38] Ish (on retail wages): “Target: $17.09/hour. Chick-fil-A: $14.69. Starbucks: $16.09. Y’all still want a smile?”
• [173:33] Joe: “Assuming the law says you own it... Whose side are you on?”
• [183:39] Joe: “By episode seven, all I could say is this is a cute little white baby. This white little baby... was having the greatest time. Mac and cheese again.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:00]–[14:00]: Opening banter, social media, fashion, and parenting jokes
• [20:16]–[37:55]: Rory’s Twitter controversy, apology science, Kayla Nicole apology
• [37:41]–[56:52]: Summer Walker album review
• [57:02]–[66:36]: Wale album review; Meek Mill, music drops
• [78:00]: Kodak Black discussion
• [86:27]: Fake blessings, friendship codes, dating exes
• [108:29]: Kevin Gates age gap debate
• [123:10]: Athlete dating distractions, “battleship” analogy; respecting partners
• [159:15]: Epstein, conspiracy theories, political sidebars
• [140:21]: Target “Smile More” rule & labor debate
• [173:33]: “Whose Side Are You On?”— the $7.5M storage unit saga
• [181:06]: “All Her Fault” review and show wrap-up
• [191:18]–[End]: Musical outro, closing celebrations, and signature farewells

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Summary

This episode delivers The Joe Budden Podcast experience in full: a blend of intelligent (and hilarious) culture commentary, music takes, relationship arguments, hip-hop news, viral stories, and irreverent humor. The chemistry, realness, and quick pivot from jokes to deep conversations make this session as engaging for newcomers as for longtime fans. If you want to understand hip-hop media’s most honest (and unpredictable) living room—start here.

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Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Oh, you don't do the whole reenactment thing.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Hey, Bart.

[Imani]

Oh, hey, Mona. How are you?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm fine. How are you?

[Joe Budden]

I'm wonderful.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's always nice to see you.

[Imani]

Likewise. You look great.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

You're welcome. All right. What? Your tweets is cool.

[Imani]

I think so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They tried to get you this morning.

[Joe Budden]

They did?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they tried. For real? Yeah. It didn't work. It didn't work. It didn't take. It can't get us and I got your back.

[Joe Budden]

We put rim right on the stand. Get him. Y' all talking about what's up, what's good? What's poppin? What's poppin?

[Ish]

How we feeling?

[Joe Budden]

What up, what up, what up? What up in here?

[Ish]

Yeah, wake it up.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Mona, I see you now. You're looking good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

These be talking about my outfits.

[Joe Budden]

I see those comments and I pick.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm talking about you read them comments about you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your comments. Oh, me?

[Joe Budden]

You Are these niggas? Nah, that one Angelina Jolie outfit. That. That. That was the one that.

[Imani]

The Angelina Joy.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think I look cute that day.

[Joe Budden]

The one where she was going wrestling or some what. I don't know what she was doing.

[Imani]

Oh, that was last week, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like the car goes short with the boot with the knee out.

[Joe Budden]

The fans didn't. Don't keep saying me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I didn't read that 32nd of you. That comment section got a little scary and I don't go in it no more. I find this to my guy here. Ice. I got the. About that.

[Imani]

That's good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

After my 10th death threat, I was like, I'm done with this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, that's smart.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You feel me? After my 10th inbox, meet me in Patterson.

[Joe Budden]

I let it go shout Patterson that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I mean, it's like everybody hand do it different. I be wanting to fight. I ain't going to lie. Like, people go too far with the. They say.

[Imani]

Yeah, that's what I'm hearing.

[Joe Budden]

Be want to punch the screen, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, I want to meet up at a target and punch you, Sally, you or G or G. We got to go in first. I like the gay. I don't know if you're being funny, but I like the gay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not being funny.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Do you wear gas?

[Ish]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You wouldn't wear gag.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't. Now you just changed the question. I didn't say I wouldn't wear Gap.

[Ish]

Same answer, though.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop.

[Joe Budden]

Cause I don't like when y' all paint me like that. I would wear it. You're making faces I don't wear. I go in Baby Gap.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I have a goal every time I.

[Joe Budden]

Buy my son Gap.

[Ish]

No, we talking about somehow I still.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T ever see that on him.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He can't fit Baby Gap.

[Ish]

Another conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Gap is the gap I get. My kid is like chrome hearts compared to one this mother. This motherfucker. I feel like she trying to out cheap me out.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Like, nigga out cheap me. Like, I found the deal. I got the deal. 100 hoodies for whatever. Here you come with some silk shirt and silk shirt in the fucking winter time. Like, oh, shit.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's that boy's culture. All right. Did you ever play the game where you dropped the baby off back with the shit she sent him in. Cause you don't ever see the costume, the game.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I've never participated in that.

[Ish]

Oh, no. I watched the outfit she come in in day one. It's folded and ready.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you watch it. I send it back dirtier. The spaghetti sauce on this motherfucker, bro.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I want my child to look cute all the time. I don't give a fuck. So I'm sending the shit. I want my child in there, you know?

[Ish]

No, that's peace. You going back in this.

[Joe Budden]

I buy shit.

[Ish]

I want underwear, socks, the whole everything.

[Joe Budden]

I buy shit I want to see on my child. So it don't matter if I keep sending you back in the shit. If you don't never come back in the shit.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's the problem. They don't return in it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and the fit look different when I put it together.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's what all dads say.

[Joe Budden]

I think there's a little bit of truth to that. The way dads dress the kid now mom dressed, the kid is gonna be.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think it's a boy thing, though. I think dads dress the boys nice. I think dad's like, yeah, she be.

[Ish]

Having my daughter look fly.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah. That's what I think is.

[Joe Budden]

Well, maybe that's true with girls.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Girls also, y'. All. It's way easier to find baby girl stuff than boy. You know what I mean? It's cheaper. It's easier, boy. You got to do a little more effort in. Put a little more effort in. He. I don't know.

[Ish]

All them children, you know, they wear uniforms.

[Joe Budden]

You the main one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, they wear uniforms.

[Ish]

Uniforms, okay. So it's just he got money.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Children in private school. Yeah, they love them kids. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get money be all surprised.

[Mona Scott-Young]

These are sure well ice doing well.

[Ish]

We were talking about my kids stay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

In the Boys and girls club till 8 o' clock at night.

[Joe Budden]

One of them pick them up sometimes.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Trying to build.

[Joe Budden]

Jelly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Since you ate spaghetti.

[Joe Budden]

Eight o', clock.

[Mona Scott-Young]

We eat spaghetti for a month. Yo, like, black people hate spaghetti because of that. Like, our mom's tortured us with spaghetti.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I some spaghetti.

[Ish]

Well, who hate spaghetti?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Y' all never was tired of spaghetti?

[Ish]

Hell, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You had some spaghetti, right now.

[Joe Budden]

I was tired of spaghetti.

[Ish]

Never.

[Imani]

You can't be.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So your mom didn't make y' all eat spaghetti every day for a week, then?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my mom definitely.

[Ish]

Oh, no, we ate it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then y' all was rich.

[Ish]

But I ain't never tired of it either.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was the same. It was the same pot.

[Ish]

It wasn't new spaghetti. What spaghetti, though, huh? Just the noodles with the sauce.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You, me, no meat, salt. Come on, bro. I look like an Italian. I don't call it gravy, baby. I put sugar, ground beef and green pepper, onion.

[Ish]

You wasn't broke then.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Stop.

[Joe Budden]

We still ain't get that food. You promise?

[Ish]

What's your point? Got a point.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Listen, first of all, happy birthday, Sade.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Most importantly, that's a good save.

[Ish]

That was good.

[Joe Budden]

That was great.

[Ish]

That was good. She had that to talk, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she did.

[Joe Budden]

This girl is good.

[Ish]

Yeah, she's good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Listen, I ain't new to this.

[Ish]

Used to this and true to this. I see you with your yamin on.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Thank you. You want to pet it?

[Imani]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Touch it.

[Joe Budden]

It's a fox, right?

[Ish]

It's a fox, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Nah, it's a fox. Shout out to my girl.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we do have to start.

[Ish]

Do we, little rottweilers?

[Joe Budden]

We do have to start. Record show. That was him. That wasn't me. That wasn't me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's all in good fun, guys.

[Ish]

My.

[Joe Budden]

But a house is not a home. Why would I stay at a friend's house for any reason? I don't stay at people's houses if they invite me on vacation. Why would you stay at a friend's house when if you can afford a hotel? Why would you put yourself through that? Just being up at night wondering, like, can I use this towel? Why would you do that?

[Ish]

Got a point.

[Joe Budden]

And then you wake up and they're all downstairs.

[Mona Scott-Young]

We made breakfast. You want a pancake?

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, no, I don't want a pancake. I want a hotel. Is there a hotel around here? I don't want to be rude, but I just need my space. And I jerked off in that towel upstairs.

[Ish]

Which is okay to do at a hotel. Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to get to this thing called flight.

[Joe Budden]

Flight. Mic check. 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check, mic check. The level. The level.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The level.

[Joe Budden]

Something else. The after the levels. The levels. The levels. Is good.

[Ish]

Well, the never ending happiness.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You can always see the sun, day or night.

[Joe Budden]

Feeling good, feeling great.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So when you call up that sh.

[Ish]

You know the one.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir. All right, Mike check, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, two. Happy to be here with y'. All. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Everybody in the car right now. Minnesota, what up, what up, what up? Rest in peace to the goats.

[Ish]

Rest in peace.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Michael Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

Wherever you might be listening from out there. Big Jersey. Big Jersey.

[Imani]

Hey, show out with your pops here.

[Joe Budden]

He don't know nothing about this. It's a button, Junior. It's a button. Junior Special. Live a life full of luxury Yes.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I do Got a private chef cooking.

[Joe Budden]

For me oh, wait for the ladies oh, wait for the ladies.

[Ish]

Full of bitches and no, I'm star.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yes, I do Got a Cadillac in.

[Joe Budden]

The garage yeah, there you go. They heard that I live a racial.

[Ish]

Life yes, it's true Yes, I do Dwayne.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yes, I do.

[Joe Budden]

What up? Ish.

[Ish]

I ain't up on that.

[Joe Budden]

It's all right. It's a human. It's a couple of them. They're old school.

[Ish]

Human.

[Imani]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

All right, I'm with you.

[Ish]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you again. Speed me up, Speed me up here. Holy nettle. What's going on out there? What's going on out there? Just the thought alone is killing me right now.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Thank God for Mom and Daddy.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we got a great show lined up. Great show lined up for you today. You thinking what about this one? What about this one? Old ass man. Mike check Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe. Let me get these drops out the way. Y' all know what the time it is. Y' all know who we be. Y' all know what we here to do it's been over a decade. Stop playing with Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Who is that?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Who is that?

[Joe Budden]

Who is that? Who is that?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Who is that?

[Ish]

Who is that? Who is that? Who is that?

[Joe Budden]

And Mona. Mona.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mona.

[Joe Budden]

Big Mona. Mike, Shaq, what episode is this?

[Imani]

878.

[Joe Budden]

Uh oh. 878 was your. Yep. Welcome to episode 878 of the Joe Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by Power, by Prize pitch, Prize Fitz gang. I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, really happy to be here, host here with the best crew in the world. To my right, Big Mona Philly in the building. You know the vibes. How you doing, Mona?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm great.

[Joe Budden]

Good. Happy to have you next to her. Our good brother, Dr. Dark Lamont Hill in the building. Did you sleep you up?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I got a little upset stomach, but other than that.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've used like, four public bathrooms as I've been.

[Imani]

Oh, yeah, we don't want to hear about that kind of upset stomach.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to tell you, man.

[Ish]

You thought the need to tell niggas that. Why?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause that's how I was doing.

[Imani]

Guts do how your butts do.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's. That's how you doing. Four public bathrooms.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I looked into. I went to four to, like, find a good. That woman that was acceptable.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Captain. No, I did in for him.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's how you presented it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm willing to.

[Imani]

It wasn't that serious.

[Ish]

And your wasn't that serious.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it got that serious. I ended up having to go into a. A nursing home.

[Imani]

Huh.

[Mona Scott-Young]

This is getting crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it should be. I went in there, shout out to.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm so confused, yo.

[Ish]

Really got the car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, because I told him I was going to take my mother to the nursing home.

[Joe Budden]

Margaret is in here. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Y' all have to let him talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. Cause I got to this last bathroom. Cause I went to the 711 and I was like, this is just. I'm not. I'm not sitting on this. I can't do this.

[Ish]

Oh, that shit wasn't that bad.

[Imani]

Yeah, hover.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There was like crack on the floor. It was like, crazy. So then I finally.

[Ish]

Even better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was driving. I was trying to. I was trying to make it home. Then the beat was about to drop, so I was like, let me go. Yeah, let me go to somewhere. And then I drove past Sunrise Senior Living, and I walked in and they were looking at me like I was a crack addict. I think I was at this point, I was sweating and I was, you know, I dressed like somebody who's homeless sometimes. And I walked in and they were looking me crazy. And I said, I'm just trying to take my mother into a nursing home. And so I, you know, they gave me a little speech. They talked me, walked me around a little bit. Thank you.

[Imani]

It was not that bad.

[Ish]

You ain't had the shit that bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then I had to. In the middle thing, I said, I'm sorry, can I use your bathroom? And I stayed in there for like 20 minutes.

[Imani]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Yeah, it still wasn't that bad, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

You did all of that to use a public restroom to take a shit?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was still 25 minutes from my house, and I was about 35 minutes from here.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I have a question. You give me raw ass on seat. Do you line it? Is that too much? We talking about?

[Joe Budden]

No, I think it's a great question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's the right question.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You give me raw ass on seat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well. Cause when she first heard it, I heard that different. And I was.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You give me your raw ass on the seat with nothing in the seat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would never. I'm a squatter, okay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Damn with the poop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I've learned my lesson from that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You got good knees.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So squatting while shitting is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But in the seamless water, like you.

[Joe Budden]

Find homes empty and you try to get there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Cause sometimes they don't have the paper.

[Imani]

You gotta just use the toilet paper to doctor it up.

[Joe Budden]

I was afraid you meant that. You know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm kind. But sometimes the paper, you gotta take one sheet at a time.

[Imani]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But today, Austin, it was a nursing home, so they were super clean. Nice. Again, shout out to sunrise, man.

[Ish]

So you put bare ass on the nursing home seat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. They had dead liners. They had liners. And I'll call them tomorrow and tell them I'm not really bringing my mother in on Sunday.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Squatting requires a shower after from the doo doo splash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, it's true. But yeah, so. But I'm better now.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Ish.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Ish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's Ish's.

[Imani]

It's also here.

[Joe Budden]

Ish is also here with us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How was your morning?

[Joe Budden]

Good day, sir.

[Ish]

Stomach not shitty. My shit was cool.

[Joe Budden]

We got our good brother. Freeze is here. Ice changed the whole flow of how we intro these things with that. That was crazy. It's a weird ad you smoked. Yeah. Really. And he named the place Big. Parks is here. Poe is here. Corey is here. My dad is Here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. As Mona's already stated, happy birthday to my baby. I love you. How's everybody's week?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How was your night? Cause I know you was outside. You had to be.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, that's what I want to hear about.

[Imani]

That is a good question.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I thought you was going to limp in here because you know you got those special dick on a birthday. You heard me.

[Ish]

So you can't walk straight.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He's supposed to be limping. He a older guy, you know what I mean? Was a bust ass last night. No excuses on my birthday, nigga. No excuses on my birthday. I don't want to hear none of that shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you be saying it tired.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I need a nap. None of that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I be scared.

[Ish]

Round one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's my birthday. Parks, it's 12am let's get it. Happy birthday. Yeah, let's hear about it. Is that for the Patreon?

[Joe Budden]

No, we here. We went to dinner. Oh, we went to dinner, man. We had. We had a good day. We had a good day.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You looked happy.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good time. Yeah, no freaky.

[Imani]

How many more days do you have planned? Or does she have played more importantly?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean it's gonna be her birthday too.

[Ish]

Christmas.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My girl is numbering the gifts. Oh, I'm enjoying it.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna be a birthday till December and all that shit you named is coming. Just gotta start the car and go back in the house for a little.

[Imani]

Bit, let it warm up a little bit.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You did good with the gifts.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I crushed the gift so far. Giving is my love language.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Is it?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Damn. Everything worldwide. That one.

[Joe Budden]

I said that once once I started tricking.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, you did really good though. They were nice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah? Yeah. More on the way. You heard?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, G number talk about that part. You heard the gifts are number and they're not even like. Because you know us poor people will like work, you know, work it up. So it's like the gift card first, then the big boom is the last one. This bitch started out with big booms.

[Imani]

Oh, it might not be there might.

[Joe Budden]

Be a big one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It is. That's what I'm saying. Like her intro was like, you know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How many days of gifts do you do or stuff or big things?

[Joe Budden]

365.

[Mona Scott-Young]

She deserve it.

[Joe Budden]

365 days.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

Because you know what she get off that I'm not able to get off and this is the only shit that I'll talk. Because she think that I come on my podcast and just talk shit. We do a little bit. Yeah, it's valid a little bit. She do the. Just Cause spoiled. You give her a great gift. She cried, oh, baby, you're the best. Love you so much. Then in the morning, she'll, like, just walk by. Yeah, I did think. I mean, I did think that. That such and such was gonna be part of the thing. Oh, wow. Yeah. She wanted those. She wanted those. I ain't mad because I did it too. Whatever the she gave me for my birthday, I was like, all right, school, but where's jellyfishes at? I've been talking. Been talking about jellyfishes for the last eight months. You've been paying attention.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Do y' all do, like she makes a list or do you pick everything out? Like, how do y' all do it?

[Joe Budden]

A list of what?

[Mona Scott-Young]

What, she wants my birthday.

[Joe Budden]

No, the. She like, it can't be a list. You go get one of them. There's no list. But she had a great day. She had a great day.

[Ish]

That's what's up.

[Joe Budden]

It was just tough. It was just. It. It was tough. I ain't gonna see you and act like tough Tony. It was tough giving her my undivided and full attention and keeping Rory's name in my search bar. I can't. I'm not gonna lie to y'. All. Don't you hate when the drama land right when you're doing some shit you gotta do?

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ended class early yesterday. I was like, I'm sorry. I got something to do. I was right in spaces listening.

[Joe Budden]

But where do y' all want to start?

[Mona Scott-Young]

There?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that where you gonna start Born?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay, I don't know what y' all talking about. I wanna know.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, take it away, brother. Noop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A couple of days ago now, yeah, there was a. A little bit of a hullabaloo on social media. I'm trying to do this gently, carefully. It actually started in a really interesting place, which was they were having a debate. Rory and his co host were having a debate about or having a conversation about GNX versus the Clips winning what would win the Grammy. And Roy had said that, you know, he wanted. He was rooting for the Clips to win the Grammy.

[Joe Budden]

See, I love when somebody say something that I said too, but they get all, oh, my God. I was like, oh, shit. That's what they do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know him well. That's what's crazy about him. Get him. Cause I feel the same way. I think Ma. I don't know how Ma felt about it, but Rory felt that way about it. And the fans, the Kendrick fans went hard. They started tweeting and trolling. They'll come up to me this week too, for some stuff. You know, they do that. If you say one thing, they take it as like an act of violence.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Kendrick has a hive, huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, him. Yeah. And if you say anything about Drake, it seems like anti Kendrick and Kendrick is anti Drake, all that kind of shit. But all the fans are crazy these days to me, so. So anyway, so then they started digging into old tweets as part of their full on assault against our brother Rory. And they went in the old tweets and they found tweets that were problematic to people.

[Joe Budden]

You trying. Well, I'm giving it to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so.

[Mona Scott-Young]

But what kind of problematic? Homophobic, transphobic, racist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They were. They were interpreted as racist.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, now, to be clear, not him. Yeah. What's funny is you're not even being funny. Like people will think you're doing it. People think we set this up, but we really didn't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I didn't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So basically, and I don't want to rehash all the tweets, but some of them were like, they were like from 15 years ago. That's first thing. Second, some of them were RTs. Right. So back in the day, on old school Twitter, there was no retweet button. You typed RT and then wrote what the other person. So sometimes people were interpreting him as saying something that he actually didn't say. He was retweeting somebody else. A couple times he tweeted a rap lyric. You know, your chick is looking at my rim. You know the lyric that they thought he was saying.

[Joe Budden]

So Mark, you doing like a word salad right now?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So there was a whole bunch. She asked me what the tweet said. So there was a bunch of tweets. Some of them were offensive to celebrities, some were seen as anti black woman, et cetera. That's what happened. And then the other piece of it was he defended himself. He went on Spaces to explain his position and had a long, very long four and a half hour and put.

[Joe Budden]

On an absolute master class in how you should not defend yourself. Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Four and a half hours is way too long.

[Joe Budden]

An absolute. Boy, that was.

[Ish]

You said. And how you should not.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, should not.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It is a way to do that. It really is. It's a science to it. And apologizing people don't know how to do it, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think that what he did. Right. So then. And then the fourth step was finally he went on his show and offered an apology, particularly for the dismissiveness with which he had dealt with the opening.

[Joe Budden]

Part of the spaces.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In the spaces, in the spaces.

[Joe Budden]

Dismissive, smug, condescending. Snarky. Arrogant. Snarky. His position was. His position was, anybody that knows me knows that I don't hate black people. I'm not a racist. Yada, yada, yada. People were trying to tell him, we all don't know you.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

This is how these tweets come off. A lot of the tweets were a lot worse than the looking at my REM Rap lyric part that I want to know. I wouldn't read them.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't feel comfortable.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't even read them, but they were pretty bad. So I think people were just trying to hold him accountable and get him to at least acknowledge that in them resurfacing, there are people that weren't around back then that are hurt, that feel away, that listen to you, that follow you, that look up to you, yada, yada, yada. All of the.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Even the people that do know you, they still be hurt about it, even if they like people. People get hurt by stuff like that, especially when they support you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think some people gave him grace because they know him. Like, I know he's not racist. So I'm going to look at the tweet differently.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I can't know a white boy enough that he can't say, I don't care.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he didn't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

White person enough that they do racist shit, but whatever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I thought some of the more tweets I saw, the more I was like, yeah, that's. Even if I'm being generous, that's too much. Right. And I think that he will likely address that. It got big. The story got bigger than I thought it would be. When I saw it on tmz.

[Imani]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. When I saw it on tmz, I.

[Joe Budden]

Was like, ooh, TMZ baller a lot. It grew legs. It grew legs rather quickly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And mentioning Beyonce doesn't ever stop things from growing legs.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So that's its own.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He mentioned Beyonce.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. The Beyonce tweet. Yeah. Rory's gonna shit off. Yeah, Rory's gonna shit off. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

2011 was a different time.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Y' all agree that Twitter was like a whole nother place back then.

[Imani]

It was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was. It was it was. I. I wasn't doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Just doesn't excuse anything. Yeah, yeah, no, it was. I was there for it. I participated. It just doesn't excuse anything. If they ever. If the TW come up. Which. Number one. I'm confused how people that have some stuff going on are not doing a forensic bro cleanse on there across their social media.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, you know, some people use. There's. There's devices and tools you can use to find stuff even after you delete it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, but that's different. I feel like you making an effort to lead it, that changes the narrative.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm just wondering if people. If. I don't even know if this stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Was still any step you can implement to make those tweets harder to come across. For the casual. You should take those.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should take those steps. I'm just wondering. I was wondering if he deleted his. And they found him anyway. That's all I'm wondering.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no. They just sitting there. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I mean, I don't think so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, gotcha.

[Joe Budden]

I haven't asked him that, but got you. In 2011, them tweets are so bad, they start kicking my back in. Them tweets are so bad. So this motherfucker Joe butted. I brought him coach. I was like, I didn't know this. I had no idea who he was in 2011. But I do. I think Rory's racist.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, of course not.

[Joe Budden]

Do I do. I do. I think that there must always. There's just law to how white people have to listen to black people in black spaces, I feel.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Period.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I agree. If you hurt someone with your words and when the words are of a certain context. Yeah. I don't think it's your right to be smug in that instance. And I think he acknowledged that. I think he acknowledged that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He did. He did. I think when it first happened, because there was a couple moving parts. One was some of the things they said he did was a fake tweet that somebody had made, and so he was responding. The other thing was, I think he thought he was in a room full of weirdo Kendrick Stans who were just attacking him and being unreasonable. And then to your point, the people who came in the room was filled with crazy people, sane people, people who didn't know what was going on. So it was like the Kendrick person was a person like you who's like, yo, what the fuck just happened?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then it was people who were Just hurt and wanted to answer. And I think, you know, some of y' all don't know how Spaces works. It might be. There wasn't equal representation on the stage at first. So I think part of it was he was responding to a certain kind of person. And I think that contributed to the dismissiveness. It still was dismissive, but I think that contributed to it. And then as it got bigger, you know, sometimes you get in situations you dig your heels in and you just keep. You just double down on the shit you already doing. And I think that's what happened. And it just got worse. But you absolutely should not defend yourself in that way, especially when you got a platform. I want him to just step out the room and think about it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And then that's the thing, the platform part. And this is the thing when you. That happened to me years ago and they was like ripping me apart at first. So sometimes you responded to the insult you got like you walking in that room, but you still remember somebody calling you a small head bitch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Coming at people because they was talking about your sneaks and your head size and all that. But in actuality, in my person, in my opinion, Rory is somebody that's usually in black Spaces since he started. Right. It's like he's in black stuff. Correct. So if you're white and you benefit off of shit like that, you have to be super villagent about what you say and do. That's my personal opinion. Especially if you making money off the niggas. I shouldn't be able to find you saying no crazy shit that I would be offended about, period. Me, I got 8,000 followers and went backwards and deleted stuff. Like it's. If it's. It's a thought process, you get to a point where you take that extra effort. Also, I think the average person doesn't know how to apologize. And I get that. But when you have a platform, I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to figure it out. I literally google how to apologize because there's really ways not to do it. Like, a lot of people fuck up when they apologize because they'll say something that sounds like an excuse or close to it. You just focus on yourself.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You just be accountable for what you did and you apologize. You don't bring up nothing else in the story. And most people don't know how to do that.

[Imani]

Spaces was also just not the place to do it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, agree.

[Imani]

Especially when you. I think someone said there was a four Hours worth of spaces. Because he may have said the right thing at some point.

[Joe Budden]

It was more than that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It was more than that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Then it was four hours.

[Joe Budden]

Four hour space might have been there after.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was. Then it was the other one with the homeboy. And it was another, it was, it was, it was a, it was several of them.

[Imani]

Especially when you have a platform like he has. Like you could just do it right there.

[Joe Budden]

And, and, and you would be buying yourself time to think that too. Buy yourself time to think about how.

[Ish]

You would like to respond.

[Joe Budden]

The stuff don't look good. It don't look good. So, and a lot of people love you. So how do I want to address this? Right. Like responding immediately on.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

On space. It was, like I said, it was an absolute masterclass and how you should not, not deal with something. I'm not gonna kick his back. And I think he acknowledged that. No, I do not believe Rory to be a racist. I think a lot of people was getting off back then. That was the whole point of the fake retweet game. And, and I ain't gonna sit here and lie. It was fun. The fake retweet game used to be fun. Used to be. I'm talking about 08. I'm now 8.

[Ish]

09.

[Joe Budden]

Yep. 2010. Around that era. But, and that's what I'm saying. 15 years is a long time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. And this gen. A lot of people, you can't.

[Joe Budden]

People that pop up now see these things you say, oh, it was wild back then. No, that's, that's not, that's not how it works.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Curious. Fifteen years ago, he's around what age?

[Imani]

He was youngest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's 35 now. So he was like 19. 20, 21.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I always thought it was stupid when they find people teenage tweets. I think that's kind of ridiculous when they're a kid also. I think as a white person that has black friends and black culture, it's probably really frustrating to be called a racist. But I think that you should, I think every white person should have a certain amount of guilt.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I, I, I'm, I'm fine with that. The guilt. I'm also want accountability from white people in general. I'm not talking about Rory now. I'm just talking about white people in general.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you a tan panther.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It always be them ones.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Down with whitey.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, they said all my emojis is dark skinned. I had to red.

[Joe Budden]

I had to redo them. It's true. It's true.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's like Your emojis is dark skinned.

[Joe Budden]

You were saying, Mark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's about accountability and like you said earlier, awareness of who you are in a space. And I think every interaction I've had with Rory and everybody I know who's been around him says that he does have that. So the tweets were surprising to me. I don't think that's who he is. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna cape and say you.

[Ish]

All got it wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think people have a right to be hurt. Definitely people have a right to be hurt. People have a right to want accountability, want answers, to want an apology. I think all that's true.

[Joe Budden]

You save yourself a lot of trouble with a quick apology.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get right to it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Yo, I'm sorry. I know how this looks. I was a dick. I don't know. That doesn't represent my views and my back now I'm saying that. But at the same time, Rory was getting his kick back kicked in. Kayla Nicole was getting her back kicked in for apologizing. Right.

[Imani]

I didn't see that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

There's a way to do it, though.

[Joe Budden]

We should find that apology. We should. Since we're in the. Yeah, apology, apology segment of the show. And trust me, I'm not going to hold your hostage with this apology too much longer. But I just think it's interesting that two different approaches. Yo, dog, I. My belief is on. If you on the Internet looking for a response, they gonna kick you back in regardless. They gonna kick you back in. It don't really matter what you do.

[Ish]

Think it's the worst place to go to.

[Joe Budden]

Me too.

[Ish]

To Parks's point, you have a platform. You can sincerely address your. Your apology on your platform without the Q A part, you know what I mean? Because somebody like Timona said somebody will be like, man, you, you white bastard. And then now you immediately get tilted.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's literally what happened. Did you hear it? That's literally what happened. Dude's like, I'mma you up.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So now yelling on. On the spaces. I'm. I'm like, I'm a you up. And he's like, do it or don't.

[Ish]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So they're going back and forth. And again, like now it's a distraction from the thing that should actually happen. Cause if you worry, what else can you do in that situation? When niggas said he gonna fuck you up? I don't think he handled that wrong. The wrong part was what got you.

[Imani]

She in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. You just can't be in there.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So they Just going back and forth. I'm gonna fuck you up. Do it, do it, do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Kinda. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I do have Kayla Nicole's apology. She said, I want to take a moment to sincerely apologize for the hurtful tweets I posted so many years ago. Seeing them resurface last week has been incredibly difficult. And reading them now, I'm ashamed that I ever thought or spoke that way. They were ignorant, hurtful, and completely wrong. The woman I am today would never use those words or express those kinds of views. Over the years, I've seen firsthand how cruel and harmful online hate can be, and I would never want to add to that world of pain in any form. I have since deleted those tweets and my ex account entirely because I refuse to keep that energy alive or contribute to a cycle of hate. I take full responsibility for what I posted and I'm truly sorry to anyone I may have hurt my heart. Values and perspective are completely rooted in empathy, love and respect for others. I can't change the past, but I will continue showing through my actions who I've become and what I stand for today.

[Imani]

They're killing her for what?

[Joe Budden]

Boy, did they that was awful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the you I think that's master.

[Ish]

I can't say anything else.

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't matter. It don't matter.

[Ish]

What y' all missing is like you.

[Joe Budden]

Said it don't matter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They want a pound of flesh they want to pound a flesh But I'll tell you one thing I'd rather be mad at me for my apology than my non apology yeah yeah yo ain't.

[Joe Budden]

It from the wire was I forgot to show that I got brain free Streets need a body yeah streets need a body the Internet is gonna get their body no matter what.

[Mona Scott-Young]

In particular those in certain specific about what they mad about her apology like it sound like AI what's the problem?

[Joe Budden]

Well a lot of them said that that was chat GPT yeah it was.

[Mona Scott-Young]

A good drawing though even if it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is she started reading like she still had to post she to post it right?

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

The only thing I would left out is I wouldn't do that when she says I wouldn't do that if I was this age I would just leave.

[Joe Budden]

It at out for for a matter that you're taking seriously like if I'm taking these words like you truly mean them and they're from your heart then they should come from your heart not from everybody can't talk me n I.

[Ish]

Ain'T say it but but do you feel that way. To a world that's looking to already misinterpret, misunderstand you. If she say the wrong thing coming from the heart, it could. It could read much worse than that. And they're gonna attack you. So it's like, let me try to at least. I might run this. May. May not be chatgpt, but let me run it past you. Yo, Mark, I'm trying to say this. You're better with words than I am. Help me with that. Then you realize that, and it's still not good enough when they want you. It don't matter, bro. It really don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

I keep saying that. I'm just saying I do understand people being angry at your apology. Being from Chad, it feels like you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Didn'T put any effort. I get why they would be. But at the end of the day, we're words. We work with words. Everybody don't. So I get that people need support.

[Ish]

I was about to say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm with you. If it looks like you just mailed it in, I get it.

[Joe Budden]

And they learning this after. Kayla Nicole is the one that pulled the black woman card against Taylor Swift. So they're just saying it. Just nothing now. That feels genuine. That's all. That's all. We can move on from the apology segment. And let's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want to say one thing, that there's something. There's different people who have different views on it, different descriptions of it, but it's called the anatomy of an apology. It's basically like, here's what apology should be. I'm sorry. Here's my understanding of what I did wrong. I'll never do it again. Here's how I'm gonna make this right. If you follow those bullet points, that gets you out.

[Ish]

It would sound like everything she did in that apology.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. It felt like that to me. No excuses, no this. You know, all that other shit don't matter. Just get to those points, which, again, I think she did. And. And that'll get you out of there. And that's it.

[Joe Budden]

We got you on the stake already, right? We got you. We got you on the stake.

[Ish]

Fire's lit.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. Sorry. Can't take you down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You still got. You still gotta take. Do your time. Yeah. You're still gonna take your time. Yeah, Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Be sorry on the stage, Right? Oh, man. What else?

[Ish]

What else? Important.

[Joe Budden]

Want to get right to new music? Yeah, get right to new music, man.

[Imani]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of music you put.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You had me hyped for Summer Walker's album. So I want to thank you. Cause I would have not. I was waiting for Wale's album, but I said, let me put Summer Walker in. You know what I mean? And this morning, I listened to the whole thing. I loved it. I loved the first half. I liked the second half. That's the back.

[Ish]

Same.

[Imani]

Well, I like the first half. The middle. I'm cool. The end was also good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's actually more accurate. Yeah.

[Imani]

Yeah. I don't know why they did a double disc. It's only 50 minutes long. Like, a weird arrangement, but I think.

[Ish]

For the themes of it, because one was just one is for better and just two is for worse.

[Imani]

Got it. Got it.

[Ish]

So I think it was more to be like, the concept of the album.

[Imani]

Got it.

[Ish]

Either way, I don't care. You triple this. Whatever you want to do. Give me the music. And this is a great album.

[Imani]

Yeah, I was. I was really. I was really pleased. I wasn't even. I was like, I'll let Joe hit it. Of this review, I was caught up in De La Soul, which doesn't come out till next week. It's phenomenal. We'll talk about it next week. But I hit play on Summer Walker in the morning. So I was like, let me at least give it a little bit of listen. And I. I really loved that whole first half. It was just the second half, it got a little too. I don't know, like, cliche R B, I guess, for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, a little bit. I actually like the fmt. And after that, it started to go into cliche R and B. The first track at this. Yeah. And then after that, I was like, yeah, I could live without this. And then toward the end, it got good. I like the first half because she was so. I liked her voice, you know what I mean? Like, Rob Drew you. And all the songs were like, basically, she's over this dude and now she's making moves. It felt good. It reminded me a little bit of Jasmine Sullivan's stuff.

[Imani]

Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In terms of the narrative and stuff like that. White Joseph.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you made a face. I might have misread you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you definitely. Probably misread you. You're trying to do something to me, and I'm not gonna let you do it. Something's going on with you, my good brother.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Dawg, can I say something?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, please, Mona.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm proud of Summer Summer. I'm a fan of Summer. Summer has social anxiety real bad. And to watch her promo and move around and do. Cause the stuff that she doing, she never did stuff like that. Summer would go on stage and being tears. She was so freaked out from them people. She grew a lot. Did she go through 6, 7 to get there? Yes. Is your dream man coming? Yes. We proud of you, girl. That's one thing about Summer. She gonna try the out.

[Ish]

It's a good trilogy, man.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And I love a picture like. Because that's the playoff. Anna Nicole. I loved it because I loved Anna Nicole. R P. Anna.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have too much to say about this project because I've only heard it one and a half times or first listen. I don't know if I love it as much as you guys. Yeah, really?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Really.

[Imani]

What'd you listen to?

[Joe Budden]

What did I listen on?

[Imani]

Just phone or speakers.

[Joe Budden]

Woburn.

[Imani]

I don't know if that sounds rich.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Sounds expensive.

[Joe Budden]

The little brown Bluetooth.

[Imani]

So a speaker, a speaker. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's a different sound than Sonos. Sure, sure. Bowls. Oh, yeah. Still got a bowl. They don't make anymore. Yeah, they don't make them.

[Imani]

You gotta get the old bows.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The little.

[Imani]

With the CD player at the top.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I still got mine.

[Joe Budden]

But y' all know I've been waiting for this album and, and, and. And part of that is on me too.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I normally don't have a lot of albums that are going with such high expectations. Yeah, you been.

[Ish]

You been the bar.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The reason I listen to it.

[Joe Budden]

I. I had really, really, really high expectations for Summer after her two projects. Right. She should. So you come on with Scars. Track one. I'm listening from track one. Yeah.

[Ish]

The.

[Joe Budden]

Are you. You playing with me already?

[Imani]

Really?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like Scars. I wish it was longer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it wasn't.

[Ish]

I think that's at the time that was your issue. Oh, your issue is.

[Joe Budden]

But it wasn't. But it wasn't.

[Ish]

Said that about a couple other.

[Joe Budden]

This is scars.

[Ish]

I like this.

[Imani]

This is fire.

[Ish]

Open the album with it.

[Imani]

This is fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I agree that this is fire. At this point, I'm not even looking at my phone. I'm making coffee and waiting for the drums to drop.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

A 50 second joint.

[Ish]

That's the song.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I loved it.

[Ish]

It's just an intro.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's an intro. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

It's 50.

[Ish]

It's just setting the tone.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I definitely was expecting the whole track. I definitely checked to see if I hit the skip button by accident.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I'm not gonna let these streaming services trick me out of what I expect to Hear from one of my favorite artists in the song. It was 50 seconds of something. That sounds phenomenal. It's 50 seconds. Got it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

I like the Mirage of Sciences joint. Actually. I'm even need to play all these songs, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y play the fourth draw. Man, that. That was my A go girl. Yeah, I was expecting to hate it and I loved it. Don't leave it. I was man. I was turning up in the nurse home bathroom listening to this.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Smell good, tastes good, see, feel good, look great shape like a number eight Titties real, look fake yeah eat it up, whole plate got your hook on bait sex job, he can't wait make him confess like let's race, ride Six Flags with my hands up drop that ass down make it stand up hit baby mama can't stand us act tough, get your man's fuck.

[Joe Budden]

I love this.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My pussy key to his whole world.

[Joe Budden]

I could have fought them. Wow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Should have absolutely fought.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We about to fight you.

[Ish]

I gotta hear this. What's wrong with this one?

[Joe Budden]

There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it, nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This one, I was like, I love this. I would start texting niggas after this.

[Ish]

When I got back.

[Joe Budden]

So I made you text niggas.

[Ish]

You gotta get back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Titties real.

[Imani]

Did you hear that Six Flags line?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm in my go yard, you go girl. I'm in my go yard, you go girl.

[Joe Budden]

It sound like this should have been a hard R B song.

[Imani]

Oh, I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

This should have been a fire R B song. This flow that they doing again. Maybe I have too high expectations. This float it all of them did for one of the longer records on here. And then I'm in my goal, y' all, you got. So it's like. It's like we needed another joint to put on here. Let's get some features. So now. So now I get even less Summer Walker on the Summer Walker album. That ain't but 58 minutes anyway. Cool. It's too early for me to have a beef. I said I only heard it one and a half times.

[Imani]

Wow, that is fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you. But right after that was Chris Brown, so I was happy.

[Imani]

I didn't love this record at first.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just track.

[Joe Budden]

You mean it. You mean to tell me you went and got the Mariah scene. Mariah flip and.

[Ish]

And.

[Joe Budden]

And did a two minute song with Chris Brown? You're trolling me now? You're trolling me, lady. This lady is trolling me.

[Imani]

Yo, that's an expensive sample. For two minutes?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what they doing. I don't like it. I don't like it.

[Imani]

I don't care about the length of the song. I just didn't particularly love this record.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just didn't love this song. I didn't think about this.

[Ish]

I love that one.

[Joe Budden]

I love this. Yeah, I'm with this. I go and get it for you if you ask me to.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm saying gonna be no switching when you're going through it. You give me something I don't feel with nobody. I don't know, baby.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm gonna keep it solid. I'll do whatever if you ask me. All right, So I guess my main problem so far is length. Pause.

[Ish]

Let me just. Cause you keep mentioning the length of the project and everything. I'm just looking at her last two over it was 18 songs, 49 minutes. Still over it.

[Imani]

She's always been a short song.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying. She's still over it is 20 songs an hour, four minutes. So you figure 64. She's in that range, dog.

[Joe Budden]

The very first song she ever put out, like that first project. This has been her bag. I'm saying on her previous two projects, the songs that felt like they should have been songs were songs.

[Ish]

Well, longer.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. It's not that she does this. I know she does. I'm not stupid. But the songs that I felt should have been a song was too short for you. For me.

[Ish]

Feel like you shorted on the one.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'm going back. Cause Summer gets that from me. But Summer is one of the better singers we have. I heard the songwriters on there like. Like, don't rap. Bop me out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was only one.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Ish]

She didn't do that majority of the album.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say majority.

[Ish]

You're saying don't rap. Bop me. Rap bop me out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

As if she did that on a good portion of the album.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to hear that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's R B album.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It felt like rb.

[Ish]

R B is hybrid damn near today anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

I do think as the album went along, she started to get more in an R B traditional R B bag, which is probably why y' all don't with it. Yeah. See, this is what I mean. Anderson park record. Five minutes. Five minutes.

[Imani]

You know, Anderson wasn't gonna let no.

[Joe Budden]

Two minutes go out.

[Imani]

Yeah, he's gonna take a minute 30 himself.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Easy like. Like Make a song right. Oh, my God, you old.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yo, come on.

[Joe Budden]

This is Princess.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Got my legs kicked up I'm catching fights but something's missing so I keep my head on my heart, baby Cuz this ain't going too far I know I need a fresh night, baby by the end of the night I'm d.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. It's hard.

[Ish]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

That's. It's hard. Like I said, as the album went on, I appreciated it more. But I'll go back. I'll go back and give it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you're gonna like it.

[Joe Budden]

It's just cool. Yeah, it's just cool. I don't. I don't think it's on par with the first two.

[Ish]

And to her, to your whole, you know, don't rap, bop me out and everything. I'm giving her some benefit of the doubt because, again, she's been snubbed for a Grammy. Bad. So maybe. And I see what's winning. Okay, the last one two years ago.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah, two years ago. Snub.

[Joe Budden]

Which album is that? The last one? Still over it. Yeah, got it.

[Ish]

Big Time Snow.

[Joe Budden]

That was the one.

[Ish]

So maybe I switched the. Okay, if this is what y' all are awarding this type of sound. Here, let me play that game a little bit, too. Like, that's possible. She'd be going for hers and it's early music part, and the music is still good. Like, it's not like, I don't like when people try to do that and then it's bad. It's like, yo, stick to your sound. This ain't really you. This sounds great.

[Joe Budden]

She sound like she made this when she truly was over someone. Yes. Yeah, that's an issue.

[Imani]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I need you. I need to get you.

[Ish]

I need you to be fun.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I tried it earlier. I tried it earlier.

[Joe Budden]

She's very empowered.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, come to the dark side now.

[Joe Budden]

Can we just tell the truth? In a nigga space and Parks and Mona. Can we just tell the truth?

[Ish]

Can I?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

No, you can. No, you can.

[Joe Budden]

Mark is trying to set me. Mark don't love me as much as y'. All. I'm asking y'.

[Mona Scott-Young]

All.

[Ish]

You can't tell the truth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I want you to be.

[Joe Budden]

This is it.

[Ish]

This has been a thing. So, yes, you can tell the truth. It ain't just her. It's been a thing.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to hear Summer loving herself. I don't want to hear Summer finally over him, like, hanging out with the girls, being empowered, like, fucking finding out what she loves to do. Learning about herself, treating herself well. You know what I mean? Spa dates, brunches with the girls. I don't wanna hear this fucking happy. She really sound like she's over it with these niggas. So I applaud her in real life.

[Ish]

You know what I sound like, right?

[Joe Budden]

But is that when the. Is that when the slaps get made?

[Imani]

Sound like a Joe Budden fan?

[Joe Budden]

Or do the slaps get made when there's a nigga spinning you around? Putting a car in your name, draining the fucking bank account? Come on. Coming in at five in the morning, left your food on the table cold. I ate already. I ate already.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's crazy, huh?

[Mona Scott-Young]

You had to be a man to get that. I get that. You know what it reminds me of? When rappers on drugs and the music real good. When they drugged out and miserable and depressed.

[Joe Budden]

Joe button about Kodak.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like the drill. Like I like. I like meth Kodak. Yo, somebody else turn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

No, but.

[Ish]

No, they said that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

This album so. Yo, don't listen to me out there. I'm Psycho. Yes.

[Ish]

You sound nuts.

[Joe Budden]

This album is very good and a musician. Psycho. I'm nuts all the way around the board. Please find someone else else to. To listen to or look up to.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Nuts.

[Joe Budden]

I want to hear her next album. All right, y'.

[Mona Scott-Young]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I want to hear.

[Ish]

I'm back under it again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

I want to hear. All right, y'. All. He text me and we met up. Just make the album title. How y' all we. I met up with him.

[Ish]

This the same they said about Mary? Exact same.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact.

[Ish]

Yeah, but I don't nobody like we cool. I just got out of that and you happy. But that's not.

[Mona Scott-Young]

When did we ever.

[Joe Budden]

But dog, Mary gave us albums and albums and albums of the managing.

[Ish]

I love.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So let me.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up.

[Ish]

Yeah, we not. Yeah, but you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know it took 10 years out to the dance soiree.

[Joe Budden]

Some. Someone gave us. Don't do that, Mark. Someone gave us two classics. Classics. Why you got to be happy now?

[Ish]

Classics. My don't give you one.

[Joe Budden]

Classic.

[Imani]

Classic.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, do you know how much happiness I sacrificed to go in the studio and make good music? I could have chose to go try to be happy. Fuck that.

[Ish]

You did. Remember what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, they hated it. Yeah, they hated it. And it was bad.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It wasn't really hell.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't.

[Ish]

It wasn't.

[Imani]

There were some slaps.

[Joe Budden]

I made fire. Way more fire music when I was suicidal, though.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And it's just a pack.

[Ish]

Listen, you take the good, you take.

[Joe Budden]

The bad, you take them both in the. Yeah.

[Ish]

We want our musicians up and comedians.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's a fact.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Torture comedians are funny as fuck.

[Imani]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Ish]

Honestly, that's really what it is. We want our entertainment from people that's.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, can we do, like, a dark side of comedy on you?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Do you know how many suicide jokes I have? But black people don't like that. And I don't have a white audience yet. I'm coming for y' all because they. Because white people with dark humor, they're just a little open to it. I don't get mad at home. I know. We like dark humor, too, but different, right. When I do jokes, like abortion jokes, like, I see people stiffen up sometimes. Abortion, suicide. Black people don't like. Like that. Yeah, yeah. And I have so many abortions. I mean, I can't run out of them.

[Joe Budden]

Me, too. But what?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Dark nights, early mornings a be in the morning. Get it? Suicide in there.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway.

[Imani]

Anyway, I want to hear those jokes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. But great album.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna give. I'm gonna give it time to grow on me. I'm gonna go listen in the car. And again, I only heard it one and a half times.

[Imani]

I think you'll enjoy it in a different setting or something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe I was in the nursing home.

[Joe Budden]

Bathroom like city boys up 10.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

God damn. I almost want to start a group chat with Summer and little Meech again. Like somebody. Like, somebody's gotta come in and what the.

[Ish]

Y' all get Larry back.

[Joe Budden]

Groceries still on this list, Larry, what's my other man, the producer? London. London, London.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He was the one.

[Joe Budden]

Where's London? You know. You know, this album is different. Sis ain't on it. Sizzle on track three last time. Hey, Sad, Go get with Sad. She got all the. That just broke up with they is outside. She got sexy red. They at the brunch spots, hookah lounges. They at the clubs. No, no.

[Ish]

Great album, Summer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Rest of us, we love it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We love it. Summer.

[Joe Budden]

I'm happy that you're happy.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, not really.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna go listen to it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give it really good.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think it's bad because I don't think that her or her crew or those writers, the people that performed on that project, can make a bad album. So please don't twist my words around. Around. They can't make a bad album. It's just the pain, the Pain is.

[Imani]

Every time I see LVR right at the bottom of the thing, I. I just assume it's Laverne, even though I know it's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Laverne.

[Joe Budden]

Who the is Laverne?

[Ish]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

Actually, I had. I had kind of a reverse experience listening to music this morning because, of course, I went to summer first.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Of course I went to summer first.

[Imani]

What time?

[Joe Budden]

5. Okay, 5:00am But I had snuck a little bit when I went to take a. At 2 in the morning. But then I went back in the bed, back to, oh, it's your birthday.

[Ish]

No shower.

[Joe Budden]

The I was excited about. I woke up. I woke up yesterday and tweeted, hey, that's Summer Walker. I got a text in a half a second later, summer Walker, you know what today is?

[Imani]

You know you said, you know what this month.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't just say you ain't tweet that before. See my next tweet. You see my next tweet?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we did.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my baby today. You can't be excited about some shit.

[Ish]

Nothing.

[Imani]

Especially not another woman.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, so I go. So I go listen to Summer Walker Shit. Cool. Cool. And when I went to Wale, I was blown away. I was absolutely blown away by Wale. And I didn't go into that expecting that, so.

[Ish]

Oh, go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had the same experience. I had been waiting for it. Since I didn't get the early copy like you did, I was salty. I was listening to the early tracks. Like, you know, they released, like, five of them, and I loved each and every one of them. But I was like, these might be the only good ones on there, and it might be filler for the rest of the thing. I always worry about that these days. I liked every song on there. I thought not every song. I liked almost every song on there. I thought he killed it. I thought it was an amazing album.

[Ish]

It's only two records that I heard Hate. And I told him he was he one of them. He was like, yo, when I laid the record, I said, I still hate this. So cool. We know.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that will be right.

[Ish]

I didn't use the skip button at all until I got to those. But I was more so worried, because I'm not gonna say worried, but I wanted to see where this album would go because I know it's not. Even though he's with Def Jam, we talked about the state of Def Jam. So I'm like, it's. I don't imagine, like, big production budget, and I want to hear he Has a great ear for beats, but I just want to hear what this sounds like. I don't. I know it's not going to be your A list features and all of that from track one, which is conundrum. I was like, oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ish]

You getting into a. A very introspective that, like, you. You going deep off the rip.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And then I hit the sample. I'm like, oh, yeah, we good.

[Joe Budden]

We.

[Ish]

I cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was off. We off, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We.

[Ish]

We off. We right off. Off to the races.

[Mona Scott-Young]

First line.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, we don't need the scratchy voice intro. You let the music play now.

[Ish]

My baby mother told her new husband she had to move on. I was like, why then?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now the hallelujah.

[Ish]

She's trying to be a wife and we've been fighting for too long. That's the.

[Joe Budden]

That's my point. That's my point. What's actually opening bars.

[Ish]

My baby mother told her new husband she had to move on. I was like, why then?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now the hallelujah.

[Ish]

She's trying to be a wife and we've been fighting for too long. That's the price of this life. I pray for guidance and coupons.

[Joe Budden]

I could just tell when a really is going through it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

That was hard. I got to rewind it A couple.

[Ish]

Of got close but when I struggle I top Just know I'm known to get low Goodbye. My ex I was in love with her Passing the sex but could cuddle her Tell me was it lust or did I love her? Her clothes off I'm closed off which one is worse? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

At that point I walked away.

[Ish]

Y.

[Joe Budden]

At that point I walked away.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I did not expect to going into W for him to do that.

[Ish]

I didn't. Especially not on the intro.

[Joe Budden]

And then it continued. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It continued.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

It kind of kept continuing the whole album.

[Ish]

Special, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He is.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, I don't really be shocked when he delivered. That nigga's really special. He makes great music and highly underrated consistently. Yeah, it's highly underrated. Wale is special, bro.

[Joe Budden]

He is dog. Hold up for a minute, man. These talking about, man. Where's this at? Where is. Oh, my God. Come on, man. Stop playing with this boy. Yo. He continued the theme of finding a dope sample, Flipping it. Yeah. Throughout the album. I like that because Wale actually knows R B. So he knows the records to go and flip. Hey, Def Jam, you really dropped. Drop the ball. I just want to tell you again, while Eclipse are Nominated for all these Grammys. And while they got all of these records on it, all of these records on here. Let me close this for a minute. All of these records on here.

[Ish]

And y' all got him.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all didn't do. Actually, what did they do? What did they do? Whatever he put out was him rapping over some. A quick freestyle here. Quick freestyle. He came up here. I'm like, yo, well, this freestyle. A record.

[Ish]

A record record.

[Joe Budden]

Where's the record? I know you got records. We know you Wale. I know you have records. No way. He's at Def Jam playing some of these.

[Ish]

They did Blanco as the single and Mirror on the Benz.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And I'm hearing this album. Like, bro, y' all missed it. Y' all didn't hear the rest of this album. Yeah, y', all, I love Blanco.

[Joe Budden]

And y' all don't know Wale.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Blanco made the top three song on this album. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Top three.

[Ish]

And that's why I'm like, right, right? There's no way y' all heard this album and said, these are the singles.

[Joe Budden]

There's no way y' all ever heard any Wale album. I went and added this to a playlist. Come on, come on.

[Ish]

You were mine.

[Joe Budden]

Shadow, Leon Thomas.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I like to face too much. You know, you play too much. Once I got you in front of.

[Joe Budden]

Me, it was at this point I felt like I was getting better. R B from all these albums. Seriously?

[Imani]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

That is crazy.

[Ish]

Okay, I'm famous.

[Joe Budden]

You famous.

[Ish]

They seen us. So now what? Right now we got decide. We fell inside in the outcome the hard lines don't believe right? She hide, I go. That woman come to you as a woman until you're not sure about girl.

[Joe Budden]

I can see it all day with this Wallet album.

[Ish]

That's what I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a real good idea.

[Imani]

It's a very good vibe. Like, vibey album.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could just put this on.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

With people around, outside, nighttime, daytime.

[Ish]

But he talking about some in there. Like, they might. Like you said, it's a vibe. You could throw it on, they might not catch it. But when you sit and listen to what he's actually saying, yo, he's really. Every record is just like, dig deep, dig deep, dig deep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

I didn't even get to the lyrics because I was just vibing with it. Like, I haven't really broken down yet.

[Joe Budden]

I was forced to get into lyrics because he kept saying shit that was like, God, yeah. I was whining back that Was hard wale. She really hurt you. Yo, I don't know who this lady is. Cause you keep your relationships private. Except for that one time you tried to pop out but somebody see this what I like, this is what I like.

[Ish]

The pain I like when you met.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody that ain't really good for you. They got you out of character bugging the out. Now you go. You ain't got no choice but to go to the studio and do pour your heart out as a poet, as an artist, as an artiste.

[Ish]

Did you hear Survive on that album or whatever? The whole album like that to me is the one. Like, it's like survivors remorse, like making it out type record. Yeah, my God. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T worry. I'm prize picks. I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming.

[Ish]

I getting started and missed out whole plot Let them know water but still they be hot say that I'm afraid I can't know the time. Cause like every night I be mourning a lot Survivors remorse, that's all I be thinking Living too hard here dying is easy the concept of trying is not on the menu when you eat with just diary wait. I had a friend I know as a team had all the J's, had all the things Had a few A's, driving a C. But life is a D cuz now we a fiend Survival.

[Joe Budden]

I take my hat to you, brother.

[Ish]

Project nobody your friends, your family, your when you get money it's only a lawyer Survive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. You woke up and got out of bed this morning.

[Joe Budden]

At least you alive. I get it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The eyes was never cut out in your favor.

[Joe Budden]

At least she was trying. I'm physically tired. Got hurt. Yeah. What do you want me to say? Great project from a great man. Pause.

[Imani]

Yeah, man. Shout out to Wally.

[Ish]

Great, great, great project.

[Joe Budden]

Showed out. He showed out tonight. I'm gonna give it a shot on something. I'm gonna go back.

[Imani]

Yeah, I'm gonna go back.

[Joe Budden]

It's a Friday night I gotta see.

[Ish]

I had to put this one on and take a ride. And I'm like, yeah, which one?

[Imani]

Wallet or summer?

[Ish]

Yeah, summer. Summer. I played it soon as it dropped. I do that. I was trying to get it early. Couldn't get it. As soon as he dropped, threw the headphones on, it was like, oh, I just had a plan.

[Imani]

I like that. Getting that early shit. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I used to be against it, but it's like a little early that.

[Ish]

Geez. Have a sit with it.

[Joe Budden]

Are you still Able to do that. That's impressive. What? Hear some music and. All right, babe. I'm going to the car. I'm taking a ride to hear this album.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You still get that off?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You can. Don't you try it. No, no. Hey, hey, hey. Something. Hey. I used to really love you. He went, you, my brother is. Don't you even listen to music? Boy, if you don't get your high yellow ass back in this house and burp this baby. So stupid to listen to an album.

[Ish]

Nah, certain albums.

[Joe Budden]

She tried to fuck while the album on. All right.

[Ish]

Certain albums, you need that, though. Like. Like certain albums, it just calls for. I gotta hear it in the car.

[Imani]

Facts.

[Ish]

The house, the headphones, the speakers. It's not gonna hit.

[Imani]

The car is the best.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's the best.

[Imani]

That's the best place.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I need to. I need to just hear it with the dick suck.

[Imani]

That's dangerous, first of all.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, that's very dangerous.

[Joe Budden]

Nah. Wale album sound like a suburban and a dick suck.

[Imani]

Dangerous.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I ain't gonna do it. We ain't gonna do it. No, but that is what it sound like. It sound like that's what he wants you to do. Damn. Who hurt Wale, yo? Somebody him up.

[Ish]

Famous person.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I knew that in Starless the other night, too.

[Imani]

Usually they're sad.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's the problem.

[Imani]

The bounce back after the sag.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. While they wasn't in there. Sad at all.

[Imani]

That's one of the best times right there.

[Joe Budden]

I can't snitch because you know, bro cold. But, yeah, he was having a blast.

[Imani]

Yeah, it's a boy.

[Ish]

As I just snitched. He's crazy. It's stitching.

[Joe Budden]

They had a good time. Shout out to Wild.

[Imani]

That's what you're supposed to do.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Stumble Walker. I did not hear Mario's project yet. I'm getting to it either.

[Imani]

Or Beaks. I do want to listen.

[Ish]

I listen to Meeks.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

That one kind of threw me for a loop for a minute. Because for a while, Meek was talking about a record he was dropping.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And then maybe a couple hours before midnight, he's like, I gotta. I got a indie pack dropping.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Four.

[Ish]

Four records at midnight. It's like, all right. But I get it. Meek is completely independent, so do what you want. Yeah, I do what I want. I did listen.

[Joe Budden]

And I want to drop when Wale drop.

[Ish]

I thought it.

[Imani]

I'm like, nah, I don't think it's.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think so. Either.

[Ish]

But it was a fleeting thought.

[Joe Budden]

You got to think it.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was a fleeting thought. But three out of the four I fuck with. It's the Meek I like. It's the Pain. Meek.

[Joe Budden]

Which Meek you like?

[Imani]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Slow flow. Not Shut Up. But. But yeah, I. With three out of four records.

[Imani]

Okay. I'm gonna check it out today.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's a quick little. And I'm not mad at that. You want to keep dropping eps? I. I'll take it for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fire.

[Joe Budden]

Review. Freeze. Almost like we don't even have two Philly people over here. Look at the Phillies thing. Hey, Meek. Hello.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't listen to me like that. No, I like that. I like the Friday joint. I was real impressed by that.

[Ish]

That was incredible.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, I really was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and that's probably still versatile here too.

[Ish]

Oh, no, cuz he has Friday on this.

[Imani]

Oh, he does?

[Ish]

Yes. Okay. The last song, which is the one that he was promoting, that he was dropping a video and everything for, is him featuring Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Him and Friday ain't stopped working since he met Friday.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I wouldn't no Friday him fully too.

[Ish]

Yeah, why would he? I.

[Joe Budden]

With Friday?

[Imani]

Yeah, Friday's dope.

[Joe Budden]

Come here. Do these 700 songs. You knew, right? A word. Yo, I need hooks, yo. Come in a lot of them. You see, you said nobody ever heard these.

[Ish]

Idiot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you how it goes. For sure. A new with heat that got 900 hooks. Nobody ever heard.

[Ish]

I need them, yo.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah. You take that verse off.

[Ish]

Just put this handcuff on real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yo, come with me.

[Ish]

I got that.

[Joe Budden]

I just booked the studio for 48 hours straight. I got this one week session I need you for. I bought you a house next to the studio.

[Ish]

No, studio in the crib.

[Imani]

Just let me get that hard drive, though.

[Ish]

Studio in the crib. You ain't gotta go nowhere right there.

[Imani]

Just let me get that hard drive.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's a fact. Damn. That's gotta be fire, man. That's like when I first heard Tory Lanez.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You okay?

[Joe Budden]

I traveled America to find that boy. Hell yeah, I'm getting them. What? I'm Hoax.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I heard chicks tape too.

[Ish]

I said, who the is this?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I gotta find him fast. Hey, if somebody else find him first, they gonna get something. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

So y' all didn't hear. Y' all didn't listen to me, so. Right.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. There's four tracks.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Ish]

So what do you think?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like them. I. I like them.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Philadelphia.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Philly, stand up.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go, Phillies.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Running low.

[Ish]

Representative.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I didn't do backflips over none of them, but I liked them all. I think How Far We Came was the one I liked the most.

[Ish]

But Save yourself and How Far We Came. Yeah, those are the two standouts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, those are the two standouts. I mean, it's four tracks, but.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, those ain't two standouts when there's four tracks.

[Ish]

But I'm saying those two are clearly heavy.

[Joe Budden]

It's four of them that stand out. And it's for yo, the bar.

[Ish]

Like I said, I like three. I told y'. All, I like three. Out of the four, those two are Superior. I like 4th of July was cool. And I. I didn't. I didn't like free smoke. That's what I didn't like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Ish]

But I'll take that as a four pack. I ain't heard no new Meek in a minute outside of the feature verse.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was good to hear me, and I'm looking forward to the whole album. Yeah, How Far We Came was my.

[Joe Budden]

Though what else came out? I didn't listen to Mario yet. I didn't hear the Meek joint yet. I don't know what else came out.

[Ish]

Cardi B dropped a remix to Ari Day.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

Yeah, dude. And another two or four versions of the album. It's just really confusing me.

[Imani]

It really is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm so lost.

[Ish]

I'm not even.

[Imani]

That's a lot.

[Ish]

Like, I wanted to ask the question, but then the Cardi fans will think you're trying to be funny. I really don't understand dropping like, Taylor Swift did it. Yeah, you're dropping 30 something. Well, Cardi didn't drop 30. She dropped like. I think she's at 16 now, but I don't know. It has to be a streaming jig or something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is.

[Ish]

I don't know. It is, but. Yes. Anyway, I don't care about that she dropped Every Day remix with. She put two versions of the song on the new album, which is the Snow Mix, and it has one with Jeezy and then one with Jeezy and Lotto, which. The Lotto remix was the original remix. I'm lost.

[Imani]

Yes.

[Ish]

Anyway, Jeezy got a verse on Every Day and I love it. Do you got a little bit?

[Imani]

Yeah, I got a little bit.

[Ish]

Cardi B. I got you, baby.

[Joe Budden]

You already know what it is.

[Ish]

As soon as I heard this beat. Move Ass Criminal, Teddy P, Easy E, Status, Robert Smith, Gary V. How you like Madden, Bougie, Holly Bear, Cardi B Drop season, Snow.

[Joe Budden]

Mountain. You can ski 10 ricks for a show. Damn right.

[Ish]

That's the fe.

[Joe Budden]

Damn right.

[Ish]

I never fold Snowman bitch.

[Joe Budden]

This shit I say.

[Ish]

Lost her motherfucking mind in my le. Don't waste my time like the black. This no diaper on the. About this. I love the last line, too. That.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Ish]

I heard something different with that back. I started texting folks, yo, what y' all got. What y' all got going on. I know what that mean. If y' all ain't rocking the. The Y ends or people wasn't rocking with that last album. D Rich and Shorty Red, them two names with Jeezy tells me everything I need to know. So if that's what's next, sign me up and that'll be the G's we all looking for.

[Imani]

He sounded greater than that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he did. I'm going to Starbucks. My Fumble freeze up. Why? What you mean? The. The Y ins wasn't with it.

[Ish]

I mean you. I said.

[Joe Budden]

Me and you came right to work.

[Ish]

It was us.

[Joe Budden]

His line talking about the Y is they didn't but Shorty Red and numbers are. No, he talking to us.

[Ish]

I understand that, but there's a lot of young. He's talking to the wires. I understand he's responding us as well.

[Joe Budden]

And me and you.

[Ish]

But I'm. I understand I'm speaking to you.

[Joe Budden]

Absolve some.

[Ish]

I'm not absorbing you down. Joe, let me talk for a second.

[Imani]

He's your.

[Joe Budden]

What he's saying is.

[Ish]

I heard that y' all don't with the album, period. I'm linking with Shorty Red and D Rich.

[Joe Budden]

I know what he said.

[Ish]

So that's it. That's all I care about.

[Joe Budden]

But you said the wire. I just wasn't listening.

[Ish]

His line says the Y ends.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say that. It was us, too.

[Ish]

I still don't not. I don't with. I got. I. We ain't got to do this again. I understood the album. I got what you were doing for it. That's cool. It's a couple records I like. That's it. I want to hear this. D Rich, whatever you got cooking up with D Rich and Shorty Red, let's get it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have anything to say about this remix. It's. It's business as usual. Jeezy should be on a version of this song. I already had Jeezy on a version of this song because I blended the songs and it sounds amazing. So if they Love if they like it. I love it. The cardi set in a strip club. Y' all don't need to hear me. I sound like a broken record. Like you should experience it with this, with our new album. So I'm not mad at them. I'm not mad at him. And I'm definitely going to catch Jeezy in Vegas or wherever the he's about to be. I got to see that. And I might. I might dress. I might put something sharp on.

[Ish]

You have to. You got to put something.

[Joe Budden]

Are they still continuing the thing? Oh, then I'm putting some sharp on it.

[Ish]

Black.

[Joe Budden]

Black.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I want to do that. I want to see that too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I really do.

[Ish]

It's either 101 or 110 piece orchestra.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like it's, it's, it's. It's that.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta go to Gap plus for that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You guys watch when I put it.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta go to.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm going with you.

[Joe Budden]

Gap elevated in his mus.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Watch what I throw on. Hey, look good.

[Joe Budden]

Big Mona. Who the fuck they talking to out there? Anything else in music? We've been musicing them to death.

[Ish]

Hey, sometimes it's all right. We be music potted. Let me think. See if I got anything else.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Did y' all ever talk about Kodak?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Imani]

We did.

[Joe Budden]

Probably not.

[Ish]

And. And we should. We should have because I. I got a chance to listen to that album last week and meant to come in here and talk about it and it's a good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's so good. Good. He hasn't missed for a while. I think people will underestimate Kodak. I don't think. I just think. I don't know. I feel like he's big. People like him. But especially people my age. I just think people miss out. I'm not a chance to rapper kind of girl. I love the chance to rapper song. I love chance verse on it. That's still get Chanel. I just like it though. It's good. Like, even when he was dropping those.

[Ish]

Only record I didn't like.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You didn't like that? Damn, that's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Still get Chanel. They stealing from Tyler and what's her face and other city girls.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Theresa still gets you now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Talk about.

[Ish]

Talk about getting Chanel is still up from them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Kodak hard though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all miss. I'm gonna listen to it. She's.

[Ish]

She's right. She's. She's right.

[Imani]

I love Kodak music.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I love Kodak.

[Ish]

He's hit or miss for me. He is I don't know how he is.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He's. He's not sober, guys. Yeah, he's top of the line. You mean Kodak off the ice crazy? Like what? Kodak off the meth? Kodak on the. Took the perky. Don't care if it's real crazy.

[Joe Budden]

See, I do want him to be well, but I understand what you're saying.

[Ish]

I get what you say. It just sounds like I got it to say out loud.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I love him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That whole couch is when everybody up.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I know it's not a want. It's just prefer. I mean, what he said. No, it's not a preference. But he said about girls being sad. It's true. Like Codex on methamphetamines is. You know what I mean? Little hallucination go up three days. You know what I mean? Shit hard.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You could take care of yourself on your own dime.

[Ish]

But when it's music time, just go.

[Joe Budden]

Go relax real quick. No, I'm not. I will never say that. I'm playing.

[Ish]

I will never say that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Of course we're being facetious, but good music is good music.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And it ain't enough of it for me to root for y' all getting your lives together. I ain't gonna hold you. Lake hit me and said, yo, you should check the Kodak album. I think you'll like it.

[Ish]

He hit me and was like, yo, just.

[Joe Budden]

Just.

[Ish]

I was like, I'm in the gym. I put it on, and I'm listening. I was like, okay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm telling you.

[Imani]

Oh, did some extra squats.

[Joe Budden]

Second said, did some extra squats. You be in there doing squats.

[Imani]

You got to do squats.

[Ish]

You have to.

[Imani]

That's a primary exercise.

[Joe Budden]

So, yes, it's the answer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes will not.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

They don't want to say that. But.

[Joe Budden]

But if you do them, you do them.

[Ish]

You getting thick.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You getting thick, dog train to be.

[Imani]

Like, there is nothing wrong with guys.

[Mona Scott-Young]

First of all, you look slim today. I meant to tell you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Slim thick. Yeah.

[Imani]

It might be the most important exercise to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I saw you next to Max B. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Shout out to Max.

[Imani]

When did y' all do squats together?

[Joe Budden]

Was looking. Freeze. Was looking like Refrigerator Perry next to Max B, boy.

[Ish]

Nah, the funny is in the cup. Yo, yo, you sucking your stomach. I was like, I'm really not. So that was the time that I felt like, all right, now. Now I'm seeing something slo you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, you just came home.

[Ish]

Oh, God, I will slide you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you heard me. But for real, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'M backed up. I backed up. I did agree by backing out. You know when he say that what you say? What's the jo did you say when you like shut the up. Stop playing with me.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you, you, you good?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, you good. I got one of them.

[Joe Budden]

Jones, you good? You good in the next life.

[Ish]

No, not in no life. I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

But this life won't even know about it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

For a man to pull off a good stuff, it really mean that you pretty in the face.

[Ish]

Name Robin.

[Joe Budden]

Robert.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He dropped a couple different singles. I said I wanted to ask you about another one, but I don't remember the name of it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, music podcast. We back. It's time for my favorite part of the show, Price Pace. All right. This episode is brought to you by Prizepix. You and I make decisions every day. But on prize picks. Being right can get you paid. So don't miss out on any of the excitement this sports season on Prizepix. Whether you're a football fan or a basketball fan or a fan of both like myself, it's always good to be right. Prize picks is really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is look at select two or more players, look at their projected stat lines and pick more or less for your chance to win big. Prizepix also now offers stacks, meaning you can pick the same player up to three times in the same lineup. Want to pick more in Steph Curry's points, three pointers and assists. Now you can pick all three in the same lineup only on prize picks. All right, Najo and Ish picks of the week we are going with. I hear that whatever that is. You're plugged in, you know. Justin Herbert for more than 18 and a half rushing yards. Baker Mayfield more than 210 passing yards. Ricky Pearsall for more than 41 receiving yards. That's a real good pick, Ish. Well, who's quarterback in this week for them? Because I pick Mac either way. I pick Brock Purdy off the waiver. Drop Bo Nicks like a bad bag of dope. Dope. I sent Bo Nick's ass packing so fast. I'm done. I'm done. Black people already can't deal with stressful stress, high stress or blood pressure. Bo Nicks ain't got about to put me in a casket. Six points. Are you shitting me? And Jameson Williams for more than 48 receiving yards. Another real good pick. Ish. Don't forget to download the app today. Oh, wait, hold up. The Joe picks. Jonathan. Oh, it's on the bye week.

[Ish]

Still pick them.

[Joe Budden]

Still pick them. Hey, Jonathan Taylor's on a bye week. Camara's on it. Bye week. So I'm starting Marks from the Texans and Emissard Demisardo. Imisardo from the fucking. What's that? I need to win this week, too, for my fantasy playoff. Don't forget to download the app right this second and use promo code JBP for your chance to Amona. We got it, man. You here, P. Well, your chance to win $50 instantly when you play your first $5 up only on prize picks. Where it's good to be right. Here's my question to y'. All.

[Imani]

Shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Is this Summer Walker's worst project?

[Imani]

It's my favorite.

[Joe Budden]

Hers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's my favorite.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you niggas as high as your apples.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe we've developed a theory over here during the break about this, because Imani walked in and had a very similar feeling to what you had. I think if you're looking for a hip, more hip hop type sound, like, it seemed like, not that you're not a hip hop head, obviously, but you're a R and B head, too. And it seemed like the RB people hate like this the most. And the ones who wanted a more hip hop sound, like the. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

I think that's what I'm getting. Cause I've never even. Not never, but I rarely have heard y' all wax poetic about Summer Walker projects and their pro. And them first two are like, but y' all seem to be vibing with this one in a different way. And for me, there is a more hip hopish kinda.

[Ish]

And it's like, you know, park said totally contrasting things. Park said that, yo, the cliche R B wasn't his thing.

[Joe Budden]

And later.

[Ish]

And you said, yo, that's where she got into her more R B. That's what you appreciated. That's what Parks didn't appreciate.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because even we listen to that Lotto Doja Cat joint. We over here like, yo, that fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it would be fire if it was on Doja Cat's album. Yeah, it would be fire if it weren't Lotto's album.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We looking for different things.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think we're looking on Summer Walker's album.

[Ish]

Yeah, you. You went in, you had expectations. I'm cool.

[Imani]

That's probably part of it, too, is I didn't have any expectations.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had none. Yeah, I was expecting to be disappointed, to be honest. Right.

[Ish]

No, I was just. I mean, I know what she does like, yeah. So I had. I didn't think it was gonna be whack. I'm going. I press play and I'm like, oh, I really like this. I ain't the R and B head like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it was gonna be fine. I think it was gonna be whack. I just gonna be like, oh.

[Imani]

Let me not say I was expecting to be disappointed. I was expecting.

[Ish]

I heard it before.

[Joe Budden]

Her missing peace. Told she was sleep.

[Imani]

I was expecting to be uninterested.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She was better.

[Joe Budden]

Got to stop stealing their girls takes.

[Ish]

No, I don't know what she think she was sleep. She ain't here yet.

[Joe Budden]

Talk to her.

[Ish]

He was in the car. Did he say he was in the car?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ish]

That was for. No.

[Mona Scott-Young]

For real.

[Joe Budden]

No. You funny, though. Why you don't crack ice more?

[Ish]

Why you worried about who he crack?

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking him.

[Ish]

I want. I don't crack on nobody.

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking him like, why you don't. Why you don't crack on ice more?

[Ish]

Crack on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You say you crack on, why don't you more?

[Joe Budden]

That's my question. It's a serious question. I'm not even trying to be funny. Like, you scared him. That's probably what I'm asking.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm scared of him. There you go.

[Imani]

He's intimidating.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry, I'mma figure it out. I'm going get you by the end of the part. Now I'm going get you. Cuz you go home and look at game tape and say, all right, here, get me again. I'm going get you now. I don't even look at game tape. Now I'm going to get you, though. Now I'm going get you. So I was coming in and told talk about Davies appearing at Max B's welcome home party.

[Imani]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Because I'm a messy bitch. And because Davies does a podcast with Jim Jones, Maino and Fab, and prior to Max B coming home, they had the conversation of, would you do business with your friend's enemy? They had that talk.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But I didn't really make a correlation to Max B at that time at all. But when Max B came home and I saw Dave Beast at the party, I was like, like, interesting. That was my takeaway. Now Dave has songs with Max B. So that wasn't so surprising. I guess my take was okay. I wonder how the pod goes after this. Because I'm from pod land, right? Amani came and let me know that Davies spoke to Jim Jones. I don't know why I didn't figure that spoke to Jim Jones. They had a conversation. Jim Jones say he's totally fine. You got my blessing. God. Do whatever you need to do. Go to Max B. I'm cool either way. I missed that. So it's not much of a talking piece here, aside from the fake blessing. And I'm not saying that that applies to them now. I'm broadening the conversation. I'm not saying them. Jim Jones could totally have meant that. I'm no longer speaking about him. I'm now talking about when you give the fake blessing, does the room acknowledge that to be a thing?

[Imani]

Absolutely.

[Ish]

A thing.

[Joe Budden]

Thing.

[Ish]

It's a thing.

[Imani]

You should be able to tell when the blessing is fake, though, as the person being blessed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Imani]

You know what I'm saying? You know, you should know in your heart, like, he don't really mean this.

[Joe Budden]

Or she.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I feel like.

[Imani]

I feel like that's on you.

[Ish]

Go ahead.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Imani]

The person being blessed.

[Ish]

The blessing.

[Imani]

The blessing.

[Ish]

See, I. I'll take the other side of that.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Please. I'm just gonna cut Mona off. Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I feel like when it comes down to it in regards to the fake blessing, because I think fake blessings are really stupid. It's just gonna lead to a bigger problem and it's dishonest. Right. But I feel like the only time a fake blessing might be a little excusable is when what you're asking is fucking ridiculous. So it's like, yes, you can go fuck my ex wife. What the fuck did you ask me that for? You know what I mean? That's the only time I think it's like, okay. Cause it's really. You're lying at the end of the day. Sidebar. I know we're not really talking about the issue, but I don't get why motherfucker had to get a blessing. If I already got songs with a nigga and we do a show now, why the do I have to get your blessing? I'm grown. If I with the nigga that you don't fuck with prior to. You know what I mean? Us, Lincoln, then what?

[Imani]

But just because it can make the.

[Ish]

Show go bad and it can make for awkward energy.

[Joe Budden]

We talking about when it a real fire hazard. We're not talking about like a false alarm fire drill. Got real smoke. Some smoke. We're not letting go.

[Imani]

And it wasn't 30 years ago.

[Joe Budden]

And it wasn't 30.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

130.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What? 20. 15.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So everybody in this room, they'll never be cool. Those two. They'll never squash it. It's dead deep.

[Ish]

I mean, they've both been asked about it, and Jim said, no, I'm never. No, I'm never. I'm never squashing it.

[Joe Budden]

Jim has made his position very quickly clear.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

For 16 years, he's never wavered. He's never got off it.

[Ish]

Stop asking me about it. I told y', all, I ain't changing. This is where I'm at with it.

[Joe Budden]

I think Jim even giving somebody the blessing, if that's what happened, is mature. Jim.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Him saying, yo, y' all go do whatever y' all want to do. I'm cool. My grudge is. My grudge. I think that that would be mature.

[Ish]

Agreed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

We disagree on that.

[Imani]

Why?

[Ish]

What do you think?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think that that's fucking ridiculous. First of all, we talking about la la, Entertainment, Internet shit, right? Right.

[Joe Budden]

No, we're not.

[Ish]

No, we're not.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Wait a minute. I'm talking about the podcast. They're. The podcast. That's entertainment industry. Right. Even with this, going to wherever he went. Where did Davies go? Where was it? Basketball game, birthday party? What was it?

[Ish]

It was just welcome home. Welcome home party.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Welcome home party. Right?

[Ish]

Welcome home.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's appearance. That's what you have to do as a rapper. Like, I just think that that's.

[Joe Budden]

No, you don't to do that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You know, I have to, but.

[Joe Budden]

But it's the rapperish thing to do.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly. So what I'm saying to y' all is, is that if I'm working, because this Internet shit for me ain't real life. This is what I do for a living, but this is not, like my thing. Right. Like, in real life. Right. You know? So if this is what I do for a living and I went to this welcome home party or whatever, even though we do this for a show, I don't think I owe you that to get no fucking blessing. Because this, y'. All. Especially if. Well, I don't even wanna say that if I can't say this. Can you just take it out? Especially if nobody died.

[Ish]

Let me ask you. I'm shocked, honestly. A little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Me, too.

[Ish]

From where you from?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying. It's not. They not. They not colleagues.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Who, Jimmy and Dave?

[Ish]

Yeah. They're not colleagues.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay.

[Ish]

They friends.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay.

[Ish]

So once you. Once we are in a friendship realm, then this is my friend. So what he cares about. I care about how he feels about a certain topic. I feel about it. I gotta take his opinion being into consideration.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right.

[Ish]

You Understand what I'm saying?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Different thing. It changes my topic. Now I with Jimmy. That's my right. But Jimmy not. No, he ain't from north fully. He ain't my family, you feel me? Not Muslim. So it's like if Max was to reach out or whatever, I wouldn't think that I'm wrong to Jimmy because it's just entertainment. Even though it's my you.

[Ish]

But that level of relationship, this is.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What we do for a living. Now. I didn't know them was friends, you know. How old is Dave?

[Ish]

East 2037, something like that.

[Imani]

It's not far off.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

He's so stupid, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Nah.

[Ish]

So that, that, that matters.

[Mona Scott-Young]

But do you see how.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. So when do you need the blessing?

[Ish]

We back on the blessing thing. To me, if we real friends and I come to you for your opinion on a specific situation, I think you're supposed to give me an honest opinion. I think I'm coming to you out of respect for you. So I think I'm asking for your real opinion. If you don't give me the real opinion and then get mad I acted on what you said.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

In my opinion, you can't get mad at that. The real problem with that is niggas ego get in true in front of everything else. So I can't tell you the truth because I'm a look like a sucker. If I tell you what I. If I answer your question honestly, I'm a feel like a sucker. I'm going to look like a sucker. So I gotta lie and say, yeah, I don't mind that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That makes you a sucker.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you not letting y' all do that. Muted up. I'm not letting y' all do that.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Ego ain't okay. I'm not. That may. That may happen. That may happen.

[Ish]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

On the flip side of that, if we really friends, you know how I feel. Yeah.

[Imani]

You're not supposed to ask me some.

[Joe Budden]

If we really. If we really friends, you know how I feel?

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like I'm talking about my real friends. So some people look at. If you coming to me with this, we already in. In wetland territory. We already in a place that we can't build on. This is out of bounds. So it don't matter what the I say to you. You came to me with this. You know what my. Do what you feel is right. Yes. And now we will see what you do. And now that's going to Determine how this friendship go. I don't think that's an ego thing.

[Ish]

Added the biggest caveat, which is you already know how I feel. Always true.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't add that.

[Ish]

You did add that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, if you're friends, you should already.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying we are. We are friends.

[Ish]

Hey, Joe, let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

We are friends, and we can bleep.

[Ish]

Names if we have to, but this is the only way I can make this make sense. I don't know what your relationship was with Mandy after shit. When shit left, when she asked me to do that pod, I called you. I don't. Now we are friends. I don't know if it's smoke. I don't know. I'm checking your tip because again, you're my friend. She's my friend, too. I'm not trying to muddy the waters. I don't know what y' all got going on. It's not my business.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Business.

[Imani]

That's a different thing.

[Ish]

How is it the same?

[Joe Budden]

Same. Ice, you're a good man, and the example you used is inconsequential. How?

[Ish]

He's right.

[Imani]

Because it's not real to me at all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't.

[Ish]

I don't know that.

[Joe Budden]

That's my point.

[Ish]

He don't know. I don't know what they was at.

[Imani]

But that's exactly why. It's a fair question for you to ask it, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's saying if you do know.

[Ish]

He's not saying it's to the same degree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, he can.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody gives the fuck if I just go hang out with. Man, this is my man. Leave me alone with this bullshit, please.

[Imani]

With this.

[Ish]

What you. You doing the most. Yo, what he's saying is. I know. My point is. What he's saying is. You are my friend. I don't know how you feel about the situation. He's not saying it's the same as Jim and fucking Max. He's not saying that. He took the conversation.

[Joe Budden]

But then you changing the conversation. Don't give me a false parallel. If you talking about somebody where lives were almost lost. That's the point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not about out.

[Ish]

We don't have to get a clearance for that. We already know. You said, yo, as my friend, with the blessing, off of Jim, off of Max.

[Joe Budden]

My friends know how I feel about serious matter. Y' all about to muddy the waters with this. You, my friends, know how I feel about serious matters. That's what I'm saying. We don't have to debate examples.

[Ish]

And how do I know how Serious this matter is. I don't know, because you're my friend, Joe. I don't know the inner workings of.

[Imani]

But you do. That's why you asked.

[Joe Budden]

That's the point of asking some of this stuff.

[Imani]

I know some of this stuff is like intuition. Things like.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Ish]

I know both do it.

[Imani]

I know that I can ask this question because I know it's not that serious. If. If there was a big, deep situation in. In the Mandy thing, you would know not to even ask him. If we. It. If you ask. Hey, can I go sell the Rory and Wall podcast right at that time, right after the breakup. You know not to even ask that question.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Ish]

Right now, if I wanted to go have dinner with Rory. I don't know how Joe feels about today. That.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you do, because Imani been having dinner with Rory every weekend.

[Ish]

I don't know that. I don't know that he had him.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, enough of y'. All. Enough of y'. All. Every weekend. Every weekend.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Cyborg guys.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every other weekend.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I just work with Mandy. She loves Joey. We just talked about Joe last week.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I don't want to hear this. Mandy. That is so much.

[Ish]

It's not my.

[Joe Budden]

To bring up Mandy is to be dismissive of what we are really saying.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Which is, bam. Your point was? If you're my friend, you know, and I'm telling you that, no, you don't know everything.

[Joe Budden]

You know serious matters. Don't. Don't play word salad.

[Ish]

I'm not playing words. Stay here, though. Serious matter. When you, Rory and ma broke up, that was a serious matter. For all intents and purposes, niggas lifeline was on the line and how they feed their kids. So if A came to you and said, yo, can I do blah, blah, blah with Rory, or would you feel away? I'm expecting your real opinion, not for you to give me some fake blessing. I'm asking your real opinion.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Opinion.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And what I'm hearing you say at that moment is you should already know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm asking for clarity.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's that simple.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So. So let's take a. Let's take it out of that. That zone just so we can advance the conversation a little bit. Are there because. Because it seems to me that there might be times where you don't know not take serious matters off the table.

[Joe Budden]

More.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Less. Less serious.

[Joe Budden]

Like, use a girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm about to say.

[Joe Budden]

Use a girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's exactly where I'm going. Not to say the girls are Less serious. But.

[Joe Budden]

But my stance when you use a girl is the same. When you come to me about a girl, to me, we out of bounds already.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But see, we out of bounds already. Here's where I think it depends on the girl. Here's where I see it a little different. Here's where I see it a little different. I feel like sometimes the blessing is not about actually getting permission. It's about saying. It's me letting you know that I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Considerate, and that is letting me know something. That is my only point. You letting me know what you considering, and that's letting me know something already.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's what I'm considering. That's what I'm saying. Consideration.

[Joe Budden]

Consideration, meaning that's not considerate.

[Ish]

Let me give you.

[Imani]

Depending on the situation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It depends on the situation. I'll give you an example.

[Joe Budden]

Give me one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If Ish came to me. If Ish were single and came to me and said, yo, Mark, I met this girl. Turns out y' all dated 10 years ago. That's your ex. I ain't got no claim over nobody 10 years ago. He know that about me. Let me. Just let me finish. But I would. I wouldn't if you came to me and said, yo, I'm talking to sugar. You don't care, do you? I feel like that's just your way of just. You almost really just telling me. You know what I mean? It's not really a blessing.

[Ish]

No, I'm not telling you. I'm telling you. I'm not telling you. It's girls that have made a significant presence in our lives. So maybe you might be broken with that girl from 10 years ago, but you still, deep down in your heart, love that girl. And you don't wanna see a man busting the girl. So I'm gonna come to my man and say, yo, do you have a feeling about that? Everybody relationship didn't end.

[Joe Budden]

Then you get dropped in the associate.

[Ish]

Yeah, let me, please.

[Joe Budden]

Then you get dropped in the associate.

[Ish]

Can I speak, please?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Stop cutting me off, Joe. I don't know that. I just met Mark two years ago, I meet a girl in Philly. Mark used to date the girl. I don't know how Mark felt about the girl. I'm gonna come get Mark's permission to either move forward with the girl or throw the girl away. Cut it off. It's not. I don't know what she was with that girl. So Mark can say, yo, dog, nah, that was the love of my life. I would prefer if you don't move forward.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Cool.

[Ish]

I'm not moving forward.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of niggas, these niggas be.

[Ish]

Feeling away, but they ego will allow them say, no, fuck that girl, my nigga. I don't care about the girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me add another piece of that piece. Let me say another piece. Sometimes I don't think it's always ego. We had this argument before, months ago, about who my wife could date after she died. I might genuinely feel away, but I also don't think I should. I think it's fucked up.

[Ish]

That's what I said about the ego part. Nigga went live so that he don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it's ego. I actually think you should, as my. My friend, be entitled to find happiness. So I might just be like, go ahead, do it. And I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna put you with the burden of telling you that's the love of my life. And he, he, he, he. You know, he's giving her the best two minutes of a life. And I'm stressed about it. I don't want that in your head. So I'm not. I might say it's cool. Not because I'm lying or because of my ego, but because I'm trying to. I'm trying to do my best.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And this where this, where it come in. You know your friend, right? Because everybody different, right? Yeah, everybody. Some men are ten. Every is important. Every was the love of my life.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And that's where it come in at where, you know, your friend. Don't ask me about them because you know how I took care of you all the.

[Joe Budden]

And I love.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I ate everybody ass. I love them. I met everybody, mom. I took care of everybody kids, we.

[Ish]

Got one that told us that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

This step there so much you gotta say.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to make this a personal thing when we having a good conversation.

[Mona Scott-Young]

This your friend. That's what I'm saying. In that case, you know your friend. You know this nigga Tinder over Horse. So then don't ask me. Cause you know how I am over. You know what I mean? Got it, Cyborg. I wish girls did that.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I wish we or women have us outnumbered on earth. You're my friend, my real friend. Not for play. Play friend, right? Why are we even having this conversation?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Getting up a bitch, go for somebody else.

[Joe Budden]

Go find a bitch or one of mine by mistake. But by the time you coming to me and saying, hey, how do you feel about nigga, if you get the out of my face, you doofy ass. Guess. Go guess how I feel, stupid. What the are you talking about? I don't know what y' all talking about. I don't know what y' all talking about in that. I don't, I don't hear it.

[Imani]

I think a lot of it's intuition, like, you know, in y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Same example the second I meet a girl and she say, mark is my ex, oh, that's the guy I'd like to be. That's the guy I would like to be, yo. Oh, that's peace. No need. Ain't even no need for me to muddy the water. And what is if I know him for two years, a new relationship. I'm not even gonna give him the space to lie in my face. Lie? Yes, most lie. What am I asking him for? How you feel about the girl?

[Imani]

There's some you're just not even supposed to ask a blessing or a parent opinion on, right? Like if you're even asking the question, it's already too late.

[Joe Budden]

And that was my point about the Mandy stuff. Real ops, not Mandy. Mandy is not my real op at all. I. I wish her no ill will.

[Ish]

Let me reason why. Reason why I say that is because again, y' all have business dealings. I don't know what happened, how that resolved. It could be some oppie shit there that I don't know about.

[Joe Budden]

But EPMD said business never personal. I, I could. We can have business did not work out. And if, if that's all it was, then this is not a personal thing. I'm talking about real ops and real X's asides. I guess that's the only time it really come up.

[Imani]

No, it happens in business and too like it happens in a lot of things too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Imani]

And there's certain times where you know that this is, you know, you know.

[Ish]

It'S embezzled $50 million from my family. Can I go conduct business with him? You gonna feel a type of way. I understand. But everything ain't that drastic.

[Imani]

True.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mona Scott-Young]

He exit blessing to with your sister.

[Ish]

Who sister?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yours. Your friend ask the blessing to with your sister. Your little sister.

[Ish]

What friend?

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Any friend.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Any friend. Is that a dumb ass question asking you with my little sister? Cuz you can't. None of my friends can. Literally. I've been chewing up my little cousin like 24. I've been on asses. You can't Watch. Like, my little sister.

[Joe Budden]

Sister.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You can't do that. My male friends. I expect you not to. My little sister, like, are y' all okay?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What if it's serious? What if that's the love of her life?

[Imani]

Yeah. What if it's a nice.

[Ish]

What if he's a good dude?

[Imani]

Nice friend.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I said my little sister. I got two. So we one of you figure it out. Whichever one is ho.

[Ish]

Here.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I love my sisters, man.

[Ish]

This is my father. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm glad y' all enjoying me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For sure. Yo, by the way, Ish was singing your praises on Tuesday from your show last on Saturday.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Conversation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You killed it. I didn't. Obviously, I couldn't make it. It was sold out. I couldn't get in. I had no VIP listen, nothing. But from your perspective, how was it?

[Mona Scott-Young]

It was cool. It's different when I first saw me, it's different because it's like, relationship stuff, and I clearly can't keep a nigga, so it's like I try to keep it light. It was like, please don't ask me how to get one or keep it. You know, but it's cool. It's lit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You look like you had a. You're having a good time.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, always. And it's nice to see people. It was nice seeing Ish. It was nice seeing Mandy. Ayanna was not interviewed me for her website.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, did she?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah. Just talking to her is like, how was that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't imagine you and Ayanna having a conversation, bro.

[Mona Scott-Young]

When we first met.

[Ish]

She gonna get on. Hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She feeling something from me.

[Ish]

She gonna get her and granny right now.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Not on my watch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

She will get you granny rights.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What? I mean, my grandmother. Yeah, bro. My grandma. What is y' all talking about? That's what y' all should ask about. Ops. If Joe ever with my grandma. I'm done with Joe. Any of y'. All. I don't with my grandma, bro. I don't with my grandma.

[Joe Budden]

You're the best. Podcasters have so much trauma.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Flat the out. My grandma, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Please don't, Mr. Button.

[Mona Scott-Young]

She's a bad person. Anyway, what I was going to say was, when I first met her, we had did event together in Atlanta, and I was standing behind a bar. She asked me for a Pepsi, and I respect her a lot. Like, I went and grabbed the Pepsi.

[Joe Budden]

You need ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She thought you worked there.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's what I thought. So I made a little bartender when she was like, girl, shut up. When I watch your podcast, I can't even sleep. I was. I couldn't believe that she watched my wow.

[Joe Budden]

Still made you get Girls flirt when they want to eat each other.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, she got that Ayala got that taper going around.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't talking about her. I'm just saying when girls want to eat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For the record, I'm going talk about. We all heard it that way too.

[Joe Budden]

We all heard.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I was about to give you that Elder John.

[Joe Budden]

Can y' all think better of me?

[Mona Scott-Young]

What were you trying to say, cuz? I still don't get it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying. I'm trying to say that that's how girly flirt with it. What? I love your podcast, girl. Can we get together Dr. A.

[Ish]

Or her?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, speaking of. Okay, there's been a little controversy about pussy. Yeah, kinda. So Jason Williams and Pat Bev have a podcast.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I thought we was talking about the Kevin Gates controversy. There's been a lot of controversy about pussy. We could have went because Mona's talking about niggas trying to fuck on her little sister, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And Kevin Gates. Yeah. Kevin Gates popped out with his little young thing and was defending his right to younger women.

[Imani]

How young?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was the R. Kelly question.

[Joe Budden]

What is she, 25?

[Imani]

It's an important question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's the right question.

[Mona Scott-Young]

She looked 19. She got baby face like she like a kid. Oh, let me let you finish this before I say something.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Like to hear it.

[Ish]

Here it go, man. Don't no want no old washed up ass, man. What don't want a. Yo, man, you don't like it? Eat my dick, man. Straight up. What want something that been. You heard me go.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My have emotion.

[Ish]

We ain't going to the used car, man.

[Joe Budden]

What the I do think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Ish]

Yeah. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Old enough to be your dad. Yeah, of course, of course.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The got more sen. Hey got sense enough to know how to listen.

[Joe Budden]

He went on. I don't have the. But he went on. Let's see. Is this he. He went on to dis older woman said why would somebody want to lay with some old yada, yada, yada. You kind of get the gist of which is ridiculous.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I was a dinosaur myself. It was a tough listen. What the that's supposed to mean?

[Ish]

I see the gist.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I feel like. I think it's a personal thing. I you know, grooming, blah, blah, blah. Y' all know how I feel about that stuff. I told y how I was back in the day and where the popping was at and how Old. Their boyfriends was in 11th grade. Me, I'm with it. I don't think if, if a woman could do it. Listen, when Dre went viral for it, I'm all for it. Top dread, top whore. I respect Dr. Drinks at the top of the list of Philadelphia whores. She come from Delilah's. I'm like, go, go, go, go, go. You think she burned out is over. She pop out with a 24 year old and have a baby. You know what I mean? She walking down the street with the baby. She got the big one on the leash and the baby in the carriage. I like it. At the end of the day, you do what you want to do, you know what I mean? I'm for that. Like, is it wrong morally? Probably. Is it wrong like with the grooming thing? Probably. But it is true. You got a fucking bag and you can afford a, you know, a girl. Because the thing is, it's stuff with him too. He's an old man to her. I know he's probably boring to her. You know what I mean? Like who he. When she cheats on him, she cheats on with a young boy.

[Joe Budden]

She's 26, he's 39.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's regular.

[Imani]

That's not that crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's kind of regular.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Men could do what women can't. That's just how it is.

[Joe Budden]

The Internet don't want 39 year old men, let me not say 39, 39 year old men to fuck 26 year old women.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's like the start for me of the zone where it's okay like four years earlier, that same gap, like 22 and 35, you know, 18 and like 30. That's where to me is. But I think once you. How did you take in 25, 26, 26. I mean like 39, 26, bro.

[Joe Budden]

When you're 26, that's when you start liking this 39 year old dude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. That that doesn't seem crazy to me as much as like a few years earlier. It's not my preference difference, but you know, but whatever, bro.

[Imani]

I don't think that.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you looking at me?

[Imani]

I think the worst, the worst part of the rant was on older women.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I ain't like that.

[Ish]

That's bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, like, and he's being.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think you need to on older women to big up that part of younger women. You don't, you don't need it. And you're wrong. You listen. The whole used car lot thing. Maybe he met some 25, 26 year olds that was locked up in the house and came out as fresh. 25, 26 year old more than me for sure.

[Ish]

This has been a bunch of locks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, especially flood damage and everything.

[Ish]

Get back a couple times.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Especially the way things are. Like girls in that age group are different from girls in our age group because I think we was more like focused on always trying to get a keep a. Like when I was coming up, if you didn't have a boyfriend, was something wrong with you? Them young girls, they single, they thrive. They. Yeah. And they don't get it up. Young. I like it. You know what I mean? You wear all the shape, buddy. Your face always, always greasy and like that.

[Joe Budden]

They face do be greasy.

[Mona Scott-Young]

They some greasy ass. Some young. So greasy, God forbid you slide on the floor. But either way. Listen, Parks. I like it. The fact that they into their self worth and their careers and they not legit. My peer group, my family, everybody was just trying to make a family, trying to have, you know, I mean like that was the whole thing. I like it. But when you on that, you've had some dicks. So it's like the fact that like I think he might got a little twisted. Dare I say it. Maybe the older girls have less than the younger bitches because they do stuff different. It's almost like it reminds me of.

[Joe Budden]

Like it's like in the.

[Imani]

Oh, okay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You know what I mean? Like they, they, when they want to fuck, they don't think about it or you know what I mean? Like that's, that's the difference between them and us.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like what was refreshing about what he said was you very rarely hear the guy that the older man, the 40 year old that likes fucking 25, 26 year olds say yo, this is my bag, right? I love this shit. I'm not gonna stop. I don't care what you say Internet. That I'm this little young thing.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And that's the part you never hear that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you never hear that.

[Imani]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

So go Kevin Gates for standing in it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What do they always say? We fell in love with something. Something about it. Y' all don't even have nothing to talk about that watch bad girls glove all day.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe he does working on portfolios.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What the we all talk about with these young.

[Ish]

They watch your baddies now, huh? And I think we be overestimating all these 40 year olds. All these 40 year old ain't mature and want to watch. A lot of us watch Zeus. I mean, a lot of them watch.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think. I think about it in a way of money. Kevin Gates is. He does. Well, that's the thing. You can afford it. The young don't like you with your receding hairline and dick. They get up every other time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the money next time and every other.

[Mona Scott-Young]

But that's what I'm saying. She's getting things out of it.

[Joe Budden]

Right? So we. We don't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Are we all pretending that this young girl. Y' all think these young girls like, old? For real?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Are y' all dumb?

[Ish]

It depends on the man.

[Joe Budden]

My answer is yes, it depends.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes. Yeah, I think so.

[Ish]

Yeah. I think all old is different.

[Joe Budden]

Am I naive?

[Mona Scott-Young]

What the is wrong with y'?

[Ish]

All?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like, you date older guys when you're younger. Yes. Because it feel like they're more mature than the older guys. But in reality, nice, attractive, young, younger guys. A nice, attractive young girl, you think that she's picking this older guy over the niggas in her league because when they on the same level of money, y' all are tripping. Y' all are tripping. That about bread with Kevin? About. That is about.

[Ish]

It might be about annoying. I don't know. It might be about bread with him. So what do you say to the older dude that ain't up, up, up financially, that's still getting young?

[Joe Budden]

I don't think every girl don't think that Kevin Gates is annoying. That's not true.

[Ish]

That would be true, too.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Ish]

That would be true, too.

[Joe Budden]

That is not true.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I say he's annoying because imagine it being a house where he like, yeah, these dirty.

[Ish]

You know, that could be performative.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Kevin absolutely. Probably is. But I'm just saying, like, he's loud as.

[Ish]

People think Flip is loud. Shout out to Flip. People think Flip is loud, but off camera, flip not loud. Yeah, Flip quiet as he mild manner. You know what I'm saying? So that might be Kevin Gates's Persona for the camera, but at home, he might be quiet as fuck.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Doubt it.

[Ish]

I mean, I don't know him.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He's from. We from Baton Rouge.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Ain't quite. They yell, they call each other. Yeah, yeah. Look how hype he is explaining why you don't want to do that.

[Joe Budden]

I be believing this is all from things I've heard.

[Ish]

Obviously ain't experience none of them. Huh.

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Ish]

Birdie told you.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, me, Mark, Ish and Ice could take this topic to the next level if we. What's up, y'. All. Y' all want to do it? Y' all want Vulture? Why is this show. Hold on.

[Ish]

Y' all want.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all wanna turn in the Voltron right now? What's up? Y' all wanna turn it up in here or y' all wanna pie Just a little bit? Y' all wanna pie?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My stomach bothered me again.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta go.

[Ish]

All right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What is that?

[Ish]

I got boo boo. I got delivery at the door. I'm sitting here trying to be.

[Joe Budden]

How could it not be okay to fuck a 25 year old when you 40, but when you're 55. Let me tell you something. In 10 years, when I'm 55 years old, I' ma be so married.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I say. You be in that boundless love.

[Joe Budden]

Married, bound.

[Ish]

Hey, I saw it. Hey, I saw it.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see me? I was waiting to use that B. Fl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I try to get poetic.

[Joe Budden]

Afterwards, you see me forever in a day. To Helen back tomorrow. And yesterday, all that he did that he used. Yeah, yeah, I.

[Mona Scott-Young]

If I. I'm at the point now, I'm a little older. I don't want to discuss it. If I meet a and I like him, he's 26. I'm popping out with him. Y' all like, what the is we talking about? I'm popping out and I'm wearing a ski to match him. We both wearing skis to the back basketball game. That.

[Ish]

Yo, let me ask you though, is.

[Joe Budden]

He like a hood?

[Ish]

Pick me, yo, is he using you for bread?

[Joe Budden]

She willing to do. She willing to do anything. My boy baby needs something so bad. Every week she come in, I'm down for that.

[Ish]

I'm with it.

[Joe Budden]

Take this.

[Ish]

I'm with it.

[Joe Budden]

You are robber big. Let's rob that. My girl needs some dick bad.

[Mona Scott-Young]

The only reason why, when he trolled me, it's funny because it be truth in it. When I tell you when the pie. When the pie come out, the be the DM like, bro, I ain't got no money. You can get play me out here now. So I just heard what you said, yo, I'm broke. You love me like so the young.

[Ish]

So the young nigga only gonna be you for the bread.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't know, but on some real, when I was 25, messing with somebody 40, he gave me a couple dollars. I'm 40, you 25.

[Joe Budden]

You could get a PlayStation but also lifestyle too, right? When the young girl say, I'm getting me a older him with some money, he don't end on the scene. He Just home. I'm. When I finish with the girls or with my young, I'mma go over there, check him, feed him a little something, lay down and I'm back to the street. They be liking that contrast balance. Yeah.

[Ish]

And we skipping one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

The older guys are very controlling. Like they.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what you say?

[Ish]

I said we skipped one grand group of the young chick is the ones with daddy issues.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I was thinking when they was like it's all when grandmama issues.

[Ish]

It's not an age thing. It's 45 year old women with daddy issues.

[Imani]

That's true.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Y' all older guys are controlling though. I think y'. All. Y don not. Of course not all of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even think like most.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm saying you don't do no disrespect. You don't fuck with older guys though, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but I used to fuck with younger women.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right, but I'm just saying, in my experience, the men that were older, it was like rules on them because sometimes they be insecure that you gonna fuck around with them young niggas, period. So it's a little more of a. Cause I told a story on here. I used to fuck with a guy, he was 10 years older than me. We would be in Philly, we would meet up everywhere in Philly. Take 15 minutes. You gotta be here in 15 minutes. And he would put his hands on the engine like, oh, this car too hot. You've been outside too long. That's my first boyfriend that was older than me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how he your boyfriend?

[Mona Scott-Young]

He was my boyfriend. I thought he was my boyfriend.

[Ish]

So you're looking at that a different way.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't know if I was doing.

[Ish]

That because he was doing some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, for sure.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Whether he was doing or not, I still was on the schedule. The reason is. But I still have to be here 15 minutes when I'm not getting my Lance. Flat out. That's how I was. And I think that's a factor too. When that taking care of you. You know what I mean? If he's taking. If he's. And most young girls you could they with an older guy. You are expecting them to do for you. I don't know what's wrong with y'. All. Y', all. Y' all are all taken. But if y' all were single, y' all met a young girl and you think that she like your salt and pepper beard, you're wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But see, that's where the Daddy issues come in. I'm saying some money and for.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I mean, that's how you meet a different type of old. Some old have been with enough young. Where they done with them? They done. We gonna use them for what God put.

[Ish]

Entertainment purposes.

[Joe Budden]

God put him here.

[Ish]

I say on the.

[Joe Budden]

On the.

[Ish]

On the mixtapes.

[Joe Budden]

You some uno and dick. I mean draw for.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What is your youngest limit? What's the limit? The youngest that you would date if you were single. How the age group, the age difference.

[Ish]

I got a 10 year gap now. It would never go.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I like your style, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Letting go.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I can let go for life.

[Ish]

I couldn't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Clearly. I'm coming to the wedding. Y' all don't want to answer.

[Imani]

I said, my wife is 10 years younger than me. I don't think I can go younger.

[Joe Budden]

They both of them ice and palm. Whoa, whoa.

[Imani]

I don't think I can do that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I like your style.

[Joe Budden]

Me and my wife.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Do y' all get home? Do y' all get home?

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up. A.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me and my wife the same age. I had one.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on. Let's just get a room check. I forgot that ice and parks. You know what I mean?

[Imani]

Hey, hold up. What's your shade?

[Joe Budden]

I'm six years older.

[Mona Scott-Young]

How about say seven?

[Joe Budden]

We confuse. She thinks she a young thing and I. Me too. I think I'm a. She a bad bitch. We both. We both confused. We. Holy shit. Yo, she said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She said.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you turned 39. So she stressed like, oh, my God, I'm almost 20. I'm almost 40. I said, Girl, are you supposed to turn?

[Ish]

You'll have no.

[Joe Budden]

She was saying that. And I was saying, don't rush yourself. It ain't gonna be Tuesday till it's Tuesday. You got time to join me. Like, be a little young self. She said, think about time. I'm 40. You'll be prepping for 50. Oh, oh, yeah. That's true now because after 4, you gotta go up.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Some go up in their older ages. And the best y' all look is that older age five is after four.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

After four, you gotta go anyways, yo, how many of y' all girls dad y' all met? That's my final question to y'. All. Remember I said, how many of your girls friends is in your life?

[Ish]

Oh, in life.

[Imani]

Dads, most of.

[Ish]

Okay, all of them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If they had a dad. I met him.

[Ish]

All of them. Everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was say half of them didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Have that I met him every.

[Ish]

Every girlfriend I had a father who's a better experience. What, you mean like mom or dad?

[Joe Budden]

Girls with dads or girls without dads?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Bad experience for what?

[Joe Budden]

What? For you?

[Ish]

For what?

[Mona Scott-Young]

He's terrible.

[Joe Budden]

However you interpret it, girls with dads, man. One time I was having so much fun with a girl that dad, she tried to go find her dad and introduced me to him. Okay, why are we fucking this up? She was like, I'm gonna go to Columbia, girl. It's okay. You can leave him wherever he was.

[Ish]

No girls with dads. It's a better experience.

[Joe Budden]

Got it? You got it. Anywho.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of, my mom and dad are here. Hey, mom and dad. Look how they both light up still. Look how they both light up still. Go ahead now. Hey, Mom. Hey. My mom bought me eggnog. I'm never gonna beat the I'm Not a mama's boy. Well, you prove that when you called.

[Ish]

Her to prove that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm never going to beat the I'm not a mama's. That's not for me. Who it for, Cory? Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You can't have that, man.

[Joe Budden]

Who it for?

[Ish]

That's for us.

[Joe Budden]

A.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For everybody but you.

[Joe Budden]

For me, for the show. Thank you, parents. That's so sweet. Anyway, what else? What else? What else we done with.

[Imani]

Oh, we skipped right over the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm sorry, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is way better. There was a conversation on the Pat Bev's podcast. He was with Jason Williams, who's now kind of who's on the show, and they're having a conversation. They were talking about Jason Williams. I'm sorry, White Boy. White Chocolate.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And who be killing on that part?

[Imani]

Does he really?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not to be confused with the other Jason Williams who be killing in his house.

[Ish]

Both be killing different kills.

[Imani]

Else.

[Ish]

Oh, I wasn't even talk about that one. I was talking about the one from Duke.

[Joe Budden]

I was talking about J.

[Ish]

Will from Duke. Yo. I forgot about yo, you got a problem?

[Mona Scott-Young]

And then the villain laugh right after me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a solid joke. I'm sorry.

[Imani]

That's why.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. It's a sensitive topic in Jersey.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It is.

[Ish]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Budden]

So White Chocolate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

White Chocolate and Pat Bev have. They're on his podcast and we're talking about Klay Thompson's performance. For those that don't know, Klay Thompson, who formerly played for the warriors, now plays for the Mavs, has had been a bit of a shooting slump and just isn't playing at A high level in most people's estimation, like he used to.

[Joe Budden]

Which is funny cause he's on record saying, part of why I wanted to go to the Mavs is to play alongside Luka. They shipped Luka right out of town.

[Imani]

Yeah, he started throwing hairballs, too.

[Joe Budden]

I can imagine. That looks different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And Kyrese hurt. I mean, your play is gonna be different when you're not around.

[Imani]

Clay also has a. Been Clay in a while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's had an ACL and an Achilles tear.

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't the worst. Last year wasn't the worst, but he wasn't Clay.

[Ish]

Clay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He has.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't gonna be clay.

[Ish]

That's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's 35 with an Achilles and an ACL. Like, what are we talking about?

[Ish]

Respect.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway. Anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, anyway, people are attributing it not so much to his age, but to the fact that he's been dating Meg the Stallion, which is unfair to her.

[Joe Budden]

But the game is the game.

[Ish]

But it goes back to what we.

[Joe Budden]

Were saying.

[Ish]

Behave and perform differently when they're happy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And. Well, that seems to be the theme of today. So Jason Williams pulled out one of his West Virginia sayings, and he said, you know, where I come from, we say, you know, pussy can sink a battleship up. Drag a battleship into the sand, basically.

[Imani]

Some. Ish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And Basie was blaming her for that. So then Klay Thompson goes on social media and responds to these statements, and he basically said to them, guys, come on, y'. All, better than this. Referring to my girlfriend as pussy is not cool. He tells. He said, what if I Pat Bevan. Both of them sort of. What would. What are you doing? Like, what if I talk about your wives in this way? You know, do better. That was the basic response. And people have different feelings about it.

[Ish]

I call him a dweeb for that.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm joking, though. Yeah. I definitely called him a D. Who?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Klay Thompson.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So Clay's in a. I understand everybody's position on this. If you, Clay, and your girl is like, yo, what? They say you gotta do something.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure he might not have been motivated solo to do that. This feel like one of my girl told me to do it situations.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Plus, Meg has had a really horrible experience online.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She had an awful experience online. She's getting targeted, she's getting smeared, she's getting misrepresented, she's getting lied on.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah, that's what's happening.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which has been affirmed when Tori, you.

[Imani]

Know, we'll get to that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll talk about Tory later, but. And shout out to Meg. So he responded the way I think you have to if you had a boyfriend. I didn't think what they did was that crazy. I don't think they were trying to be disrespectful. I think he was just trying to use his old country saying. I wish he hadn't said use that word. And I wish he had spoken. Spoken about with more respect. I think he's right to feel away. But it wasn't as egregious as I was expecting it to be when I saw the comment.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's not referring to her as either. That's not the same. That's why I called him a dwee. Cuz you. You crying. Yeah, like, I didn't.

[Ish]

I don't know the quote. If the quote is what Mark said. The quote is, it ain't even really new.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Cuz you from the South.

[Ish]

I ain't from the South.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I do drugs.

[Joe Budden]

From Virginia. Where are you from? From New Jersey. Where are you from?

[Ish]

From New Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

So you're not from Virginia?

[Ish]

No.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What?

[Joe Budden]

You make up your mind, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It only takes.

[Joe Budden]

Said I was from Virginia or D.C. we talked about.

[Ish]

Never said I was from Virginia. My family's from Virginia. Antoine is from New Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

We should learn about each other.

[Ish]

Me. What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's his government.

[Joe Budden]

Hello.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Can I call you Twine?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Twan.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's been voted on.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What's wrong with Twan? You don't like that?

[Joe Budden]

You know what's wrong with Twan?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His name is just Twan.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Well, we about to act like Twan is kinky.

[Joe Budden]

He 5000. You can't call him Twan.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly why I would want to call him Twan wine.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Cuz he 5000 swine be getting it. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

You put your thumbs up.

[Imani]

It's a boy.

[Joe Budden]

Boy. Mona is so horny. Mona is horny. That little hot that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'mma tell him, Mark. I'mma tell him that I took your advice and all that. One day on Patreon. I am.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Please do. But the exact quote, by the way, is. Yeah. It only takes one to drag a battleship across a desert.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That is so stupid of a saying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It just. They don't flow well, though.

[Ish]

You have Helen of Troy, huh? That's what it's based off of.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Helen of Troy.

[Ish]

Of Troy. It's all right, fam. It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

I think part of the problem in. In what he was saying is this behavior uncalled for. Especially somebody that was in league like, we pierced, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part that we drive you in the league. Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he said.

[Joe Budden]

Like, you know the stories that are in the locker rooms, you know what's going on there. Like, this should be some type of code where we don't speak about. You don't. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think their intent was to.

[Joe Budden]

Be gas or not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think their intent was to be disrespectful, but I do. I understand why Clay feels the way he does. And then there's another level of this, which they didn't get at, but I think it's the point, which is we make women escape goat for dumb. Right? Like, Klay Thompson is not the. Is not failing to thrive because he's having sex with Meg or dating.

[Ish]

Not making women escape for dumb. It's not. It's making the happiness. Because again, we just talked about happy in your music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but, you know, they said the same about Taylor Swift. It's like when a football player.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Definitely the women thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like when you dating a woman, they suddenly act like, oh, yeah, you can't play no more. You concentrate.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You lost your mind. You. You get dragged into the same saying. I don't think it's just happiness, because when people are rich and famous and do and thrive, and they don't say.

[Ish]

That'S only when they get my relationship happiness. And they don't always. Again, we've heard dudes that. Yo, you have. I use this music. When Joe was happy and in a relationship, they was like, yo, I can't wait for her to break up. Break your heart so we can get some good music.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's the thing. They never do it the other way. It never goes the other way around. That's proof. It's about.

[Ish]

We were just saying about Mary. It's the other way around. We was just saying that how, you know, when she was with the. This, it was that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I see that with music, but with athletes, it seems like whenever I hear about athletes, it's almost like you're being distracted.

[Joe Budden]

You're.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're not focused on your craft.

[Ish]

There's another reason why we don't say it, but the athletes. The women athletes, kind of women athletes.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what he's saying.

[Ish]

I understand what Mark is saying, and I think. And I think it's. I think Clay's game.

[Joe Budden]

That was low.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I like the ice.

[Joe Budden]

A good low joke by Freeze. Going under the radar. Go Freeze.

[Ish]

Well, yeah, Clay Clay game. Just not that no more.

[Joe Budden]

You Clay. Shut up.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Is Clay mixed?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Well, yes, he is, actually.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know nothing about this man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His dad was an NBA player.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good night of Jersey girls.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He mixed in the mom light.

[Joe Budden]

He hasn't left since 25 years. We like the same escorts for a little while. 30 years of friendship.

[Imani]

Minus the 10.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Is that how your mind?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's so cool.

[Joe Budden]

Why he always blushed.

[Ish]

I'm not blushing at all.

[Joe Budden]

Especially so now your eyes open.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You don't pay for. You pay for it to leave.

[Ish]

That's what all.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't pay for.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You covered his head real I with you.

[Ish]

That's what all the tricks say.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You should have called me back when I was trying to go, I Mona. Or Mona was spending the night in Jersey because she had tonight's conversation next day. This was last week. For months she'd been saying, yo, man, I wanna go strip club. But you know, I don't be staying out here. So when she was staying, she said, yo, tonight, if you're going. Come on, we out, we out. I said, bet. I called you around 11, 11 30. 11, 11 30. Come guess what Joe did. You guessed it. I called her straight ring. No answer.

[Ish]

I bet she texted back either.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I was dressed. I was dressed.

[Joe Budden]

Dress.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And I sat in a chair in the hotel so I wouldn't fall asleep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I woke up like, I hung up.

[Joe Budden]

Called again.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I get up at like 6 to do this job.

[Ish]

Hung up. Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Called lying. He's lying.

[Ish]

Donovan.

[Joe Budden]

I was texting. I was texting. She just.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He's lying. Yo, I cannot wait to go out.

[Ish]

Sleep in that hotel world.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And I'm not gonna film anything. Everything that happens in Vegas is staying in Vegas.

[Joe Budden]

I feel bad for Mona. Cause some gonna put half of it in. Then she go, ah, ah. She ain't felt no dick in years.

[Ish]

She won't go to sleep, miss the phone calls. All that's gonna happen.

[Joe Budden]

Stop talking to her friends.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, every time I cut my bitches off, I'm definitely one of them. Girl, stop calling my phone. I'm in love, girl. I'm focusing on my man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like that too. I don't want niggas to call me.

[Ish]

One of them Jamaican going, you right on.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I've never dated outside my race. I like black men. All them Nigerians go, but I never d my race. I like black men.

[Ish]

They not black.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Nigerians are Nigerian from Africa.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, well, you have fba all in your mentions.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What we talking about?

[Ish]

I'm good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What we talking about back yo that.

[Ish]

All right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he didn't. By the way. I got to get to eat.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hold up, y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I see the tie turn right there.

[Joe Budden]

I see the T turning. You see? I see what? I can't believe it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I was hurt myself.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking, man. Man. Oh.

[Ish]

When you can see it got definitely quiet.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Klay Thompson. Shout out to Meg. Come on. Might as well get the Tory shit out the way. Tory's a field was denied. Everybody knew that. But Tory. Yeah. Tori, they're not letting you out, man. Nope.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I have some news. Some court news. So Little Dirk's case. Drew Finley. Did y' all talk about that already?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Drew Finley put in all these motions, and they might work. The judge and the prosecution was getting threatened. They was getting threatened. All throughout the year. They never reported to the defense. So he put in emotions to. To. To bring his bell back to throw the whole case away, to get new prosecution again, get new judges. But I don't know that sound like he might got one. Because you have to tell all the parties involved. You have to. If they're getting threatened and only to know about it. It's almost like now they're part of the case too. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

The judge and the prosecutor was getting threatened.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Mind you, this is months before. Like, first the judge, then the prosecutor. And it's violent threats, different phone numbers. FBI involved in all that. They never told Drew Friendly and them to October. So he Drew. That's one thing about Drew. Drew a beast. I'm a fan of him. On some lawyer like me.

[Ish]

Shut up.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Either way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'S interesting, like how incarcerated people admire the craft of lawyers.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Bro, I. I love a. Like you mean.

[Ish]

So what does that just.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's how I was about Shaka from Philly for a while. Say what?

[Ish]

It just lends to a bias.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I mean, no, you. You literally become. You are almost like you a. A defendant. You know what I mean? Because you're being threatened. The thing about it is everything is. Has to be clear to everybody in the room. So if not for nothing, y' all purposely left this out because it happened more than one time. You know what I mean? We talk about violent threats. They're not calling like otf.

[Ish]

They were saying, like what you said.

[Joe Budden]

Free.

[Ish]

Free him or we gonna blow this up. Stuff like that. If you find him guilty, we gonna.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Now they was.

[Ish]

They was violent.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Hire him. Who knows? But it's Nicely done boy like it. What if he. Come on. That'd be so lit. I hated watching dirt go to jail. I don't know about y'. All. It was so stupid. Stupid. I hate to watch guys that's a part of that. Not know when to let it go or fall back. That was just dumb and embarrassing.

[Ish]

Oh okay. I thought okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah yeah, I agree. Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It was just like the second hand embarrassment. I hate it like that was so. Why the would you book them flights on your card?

[Ish]

Let's. Let's not. That's not what happened. But he booked the flights on his car. Let's not speak to that.

[Joe Budden]

I got sure how many people listen to this thing.

[Ish]

That's not what happened.

[Joe Budden]

I got. That's what gotta happen.

[Ish]

That's not what happened.

[Joe Budden]

It's my fault. Fault. It's a failure in leadership.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's 8 million.

[Joe Budden]

She just don't know. It's.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

It's a lot of y' all never.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Seen nothing like this up close. I don't give a. I don't give a. I could fight.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Bonus. That's the difference. Can y' all fight?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

See?

[Mona Scott-Young]

We'll see. If we went to the club we would have seen they could step on your shoe. How you gonna carry it?

[Ish]

Gonna bend over and dust the shoe off. What you mean?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Guess what.

[Joe Budden]

It shouldn't have been no duffing and to step on my shoe.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Huh.

[Joe Budden]

Should have been nobody close.

[Ish]

You step on your brand new chims. You got. You got duffel. Nah, they cost enough.

[Joe Budden]

Does anyone here have thoughts on the last penny hardway? No. Oh pennies.

[Ish]

I know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh no that joke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I went over.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't use them anymore. Yeah. So the last penny was printed four days ago or so they said that?

[Imani]

Not particularly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Only a little piece of my childhood just. I just hate think I hate change of all kinds, you know I mean I don't give a. I don't use.

[Imani]

Should be happy with this.

[Joe Budden]

I knew he was going to do that. Dude, it's right there. You ain't change if any it's fine.

[Mona Scott-Young]

For like five years y' all keep p. I've been throwing them away for years now. I remember when I started throw them away. I throw them in the trash. Garbage in the trash because there's what the do you do with them? Tell me what you.

[Imani]

At the grocery market.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh yeah.

[Ish]

Hey Mona.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Pennies don't worth.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you rich? Rich?

[Ish]

No I'm not rich. And I gotta.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You roll money away where do you spend a penny?

[Ish]

What am I gonna do with these pennies? So if a give you 89 cent in cash, you take the four pennies and throw them on the garbage. I put them in my pocket. Then when I get home later on I realize, oh, it's fucking pennies. Or they're in the cup holder in the car. Then I throw them in the trash.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Me too. You can't do nothing with a penny, bro.

[Ish]

I'm the same one.

[Imani]

I just put it in the jar with all the change.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I asked you why you don't crack on him more earlier like I just got some with him. What's some? Are you throwing the pennies away?

[Ish]

Like you still my daughter's dicky bank my.

[Joe Budden]

You can't throw pennies away.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think it is illegal though.

[Ish]

And be black destroy money.

[Joe Budden]

You can't be black and throw pennies.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Put in a big ass coffee can.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Silver change goes in.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow, you rich. Rich. I get it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's not about being rich.

[Ish]

You can't with the penny.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You need a 100 of them to do what you still want.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then you have a dollar. Then you got a dollar.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What are you buying with a dollar?

[Ish]

So you throw dollars away too.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Tell me one thing that let me.

[Ish]

Know where you going to drop drop the dollars at.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Tell me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I may go buy some gum. Buy some tic Tac. If you got 39 more of them.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You could get some coochie gum is not a $2.

[Ish]

You talk how it go there?

[Mona Scott-Young]

What the he say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, we go in the most bizarre direction.

[Ish]

Imani, you were right.

[Joe Budden]

You were right. What I'm what I'm saying to brother Freeze and sister Mona is regardless of whether you could spend it or not, just spiritually, if you're throwing away money like get deep on them, it could come. It could just come back around. If you're taking anything of value and throwing it intentionally putting it in the trash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Great ass point.

[Ish]

It's a good one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yo, when you got a nice voice, you can say dumb and it's hit hard spiritually. The pennies. Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think there is a principle attached to waste and throwing things away to have value.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm an American. It's nothing that cost a dollar actually will cost a dollar. You said Tic tac bags. They $2.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then I'll save up 200 pennies.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay. I bet you would walk around with a bag of pennies going to the store. I can see you doing it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I would go to the. I go to the bank with them.

[Joe Budden]

I will take the big ass water jug and go to the supermarket and.

[Imani]

Have that stupid machine.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Y' all believe he do that? Y' all are dumb, dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe you sent somebody to do it, but it get done right.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then y' all got me all the way up. Yeah. I don't know what the y'. All. Y' all paint me as. You know how. Just how many times I've been to the supermarket on some broke. Come on, like, let's stop.

[Imani]

What is the most recent.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly what are we talking about? We're talking about now, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Because it's not about. It's not about me actually being up when I go. It's about when it get to the top.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah. Facts.

[Joe Budden]

It's about when it get to the top. I wasn't doing the worst.

[Imani]

I got to the point where I had, like, eight bustello cans full of coins. I was like, all right, this is good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you gotta go take them over there and get some money.

[Ish]

Better I keep all our water jug.

[Joe Budden]

Like, everybody.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like, I couldn't even.

[Joe Budden]

That's the hood, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And y' all not gonna believe me.

[Joe Budden]

You get some type of good feeling when you get some change and put. Feels good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It feels good.

[Ish]

I put singles in that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't that rich to be putting storing singles away.

[Ish]

Seriously.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fun fact. They were saying that the. The production cost had gone up to three cents. So it was cost. Costing three cents to make one cent.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's my line, too. Production cost is going up.

[Imani]

Y' all just been throwing away 3 cents this whole time.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, look. Ain't that something?

[Ish]

That's their lie. Because as soon as it's gonna be 12 cent to make a nickel, they slowly going away from physical money.

[Joe Budden]

Money that would explain how we're in trillions of dollars of debt.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If it costs $5 to make one, then all of this makes sense. Oh, it's like streaming. Good word. It's like streaming. I'm with you.

[Ish]

They just moving. Yeah, yeah, they just came out. Now you can put your passport in your iPhone. So now digital IDs are here.

[Joe Budden]

Why would I put my passport on my iPhone?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why would I do that?

[Ish]

For convenience. Yes, for convenience. You just double click and tap at tsa.

[Joe Budden]

Never that. It took me eight years to put my credit card on my iPhone.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It took me a long time, too.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't. I wasn't getting jiggy with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't live without it now.

[Joe Budden]

You got to see how I free. I got to watch when the phone.

[Imani]

Has saved me too.

[Joe Budden]

If something somebody could track my location. Allow or don't allow me too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You do feel hostage?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What do I do?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Only while using the app.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the only time I'm over here.

[Ish]

When I open this app.

[Joe Budden]

No, nigga, no.

[Ish]

What else?

[Joe Budden]

What else? What else? What else is important? So Target introduced a new rule. I know. Music podcast giving you the Target new rules. Target introduced some shit that says their employees have to smile more. So the headline ready, Target employees being forced to smile more. The Internet was. Ah, that's bullshit. Bullshit. I thought that this was amazing because I've been to Targets, and you niggas are rude fucks. Y' all are some of the rudest workers I've ever seen. You see me searching 90 hours for what I'm looking for. You walk right by, no smile. Sometimes they stick the finger up at you. Target workers are easily some of the meanest, rudest people that you could find in a store.

[Ish]

They literally line is, oh, I don't work in this department. That's the one. You catch one. Yo, my man, I'm trying to find. Yo, I'll send some. I don't work in this department. Keep it pushing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, who would have more knowledge as to where you keep your bathroom towels, me or you? Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's not like it's a specialty area. Yesterday they worked in the towel area, and tomorrow they might be in the. You know what I mean? I only do electronics. Like, they went to school for it. Like, you know, the tow is.

[Joe Budden]

I dare you to go to Target and need electronics.

[Ish]

Oh, no, it's over.

[Joe Budden]

I dare you to go there. You going to wait 45 minutes before you see a human.

[Ish]

They going with the little button they got. Now they got the buttons in the. You push the button, somebody come over here on key.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to lie.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't be mean to say it out loud sometime.

[Joe Budden]

I hired you based off your talent.

[Ish]

I go with your own.

[Joe Budden]

But you are a ghetto, yo. I love that, though. I love it.

[Ish]

How you got to target target key?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Huh?

[Ish]

How you get target key? Oh, I apologize.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you get.

[Ish]

You get into. You get into the deodorant thing, bro.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Deodorant, iPads in there. Stop trying to play me. No, I'm talking about when I think of a key. I'm thinking of electronic.

[Ish]

I'm thinking of electronic.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Stop.

[Ish]

We good?

[Mona Scott-Young]

He think I'm opening for degree. Please stop playing.

[Ish]

Please.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I just took 10 iPads out of Here, please. Like, please cut that out.

[Imani]

I would like to get the.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, I'm not mad at the Target rule. I think Target people, they should pay it better.

[Imani]

They'll smile.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly. They don't get paid enough to even take you from electronics to tows. That's why they don't want to take you nowhere. They don't get paid enough.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, how do we know how much the Target people get paid?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Look at him keep pennies. He's that far away.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how much they get paid. Like, I think it's a good job.

[Imani]

Not enough to spot, which is why.

[Joe Budden]

They'Re giving us their ass to keep kids when we need bathroom towels in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like, I know people work at Target, and somewhere between like, 12 and.

[Ish]

15 is, do they make more than cheap employees?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I think they make.

[Joe Budden]

I don't hear none of y'.

[Mona Scott-Young]

All. They make like a dub.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cuz I was trying to get my brother to work there. He said they was paying like. I think they was paying, like 14 or something.

[Ish]

Do they make more than. Do they make more than Chick Fil A or Starbucks employees?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think so. Chick fil a. I think so.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't we ask Chat GPT? So we ask him.

[Ish]

But my point is, if that's the.

[Joe Budden]

Case, we going to let Ish be the Chat gbt guy. All right, all right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Why y' all asking the numbers? Don't we all agree in here that everybody should be paid more? Everybody's paid two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do we all agree on that, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

Do we?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I hate them so much, yo.

[Ish]

I hate them all. My workers got a raise.

[Joe Budden]

Like, mine too.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, you. You give your workers a raise?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, mine, too. How else they gonna put the Sheetrock up in the snow? They was trying to call out.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I had a joke.

[Joe Budden]

When I pay you more, get your ass back here from Jamaica.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get this shit up here. I think. I think teleworkers, they got a smile is a problem in general.

[Imani]

I don't think it's a problem, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think so.

[Ish]

You're in a customer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's why I don't like it. I mean, I think people should be pleasant and workers should smile. But I think when you make a policy, it creates a. It just creates ways to fuck with workers. You know what I mean? Like. Cause like, what if I'm the janitor now, right, and you just don't like me? He don't smile. I might not smile because my mama died. I might not Smile because I'm cleaning the toilet. I might not smile. You know, it's just because it's like disorderly conduct, it becomes another thing. They can just use whatever they want. Like, he wasn't smiling. Write him up. I don't like it, but I agree. You should smile at work.

[Joe Budden]

I couldn't be further on the opposite side.

[Ish]

I'm way on the opposite side of.

[Joe Budden]

What Mark is saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you think people should just smile at work all day?

[Ish]

No. If you're a customer, customer facing job. Yes. Your job is to deal with the public.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right.

[Ish]

So you're our first line of defense. If you're in here angry, frowning, all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of this shit, there's a gap between.

[Ish]

There's a middle ground between angry and smiling. If I walk up to a customer service rep and I ask for assistance and they bust they ass to assist me, that don't mean I have to be smiling in which to give assistance. Y' all saying, yo, they not smiling. They grunt, grunting. You don't gotta be doing that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you just have to be pleasant. I don't know. You just be smiling. Smiling is just very.

[Ish]

And held up on the actual, actual physical smile.

[Joe Budden]

That's it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. Because it becomes a way to police people in.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like, that's the problem.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

How strict do you think? So y' all gotta shut the up with some of this activism.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, it's not about activism.

[Joe Budden]

How many times. How many times was somebody, like, it's just described going all out of their way with the effort and mad pleasant stone face. How many times was that happening?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't have to be stone face.

[Ish]

Take the stone face away. My regular face. I don't gotta be my regular regular. Well, my regular face is stone face, but your regular face that you have, you don't have to be a joker smile to provide quality customer service to somebody. Usually the person that's doing that above and beyond is a little bit more warm, a little bit more personal. And they, nine times out of 10, may have smiled at some point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want that to be the rule.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right. That's why I'm with him. Because this is the thing. Customer service is a smile already. So to make it a rule that you have to smile, that makes me nervous. Nervous. I got kicked out of a program that I joined.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate them.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'll tell you guys, I joined the program.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why they're so.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm not talking to them. I'm talking to the people at home. I got kicked out of a Program that I joined as a felon trying to change my life, to get in, like, a union and work at the docs and stuff, because that's what felons do to make real money. And they kick me off from my facial expressions, and I know that that was. And then when I asked for a meeting, I had just started going viral, and they was like this focus on your little comedy. So it was like a little envy in it. Yeah. So shout out the girl that fired me. Die. See who won.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't y' all ever call me dark again.

[Joe Budden]

It's the water.

[Ish]

It's the water.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, guys.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's the water, guys. The problem with it being a rule is because the little guy always gets stomped on. So, yeah, corporate saying you got to smile is a problem problem because they can mix and remix you in the break when we lose noodles, and they want you to smile at the end of the day, good customer service comes with a smile. So it's already left unsaid that you have to smile. Right? And if you walking around there, I don't know where the Eggo's at, you should have got fired anyway.

[Joe Budden]

But what y' all saying, granted, feels right morally, but it just isn't true. Good customer service is, by default, doesn't come with a smile. I agree with that.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Shitty.

[Joe Budden]

Let me talk. There are companies out there that were, for the most part, built on taking the customer experience to the next level.

[Ish]

That's why I asked you about Chick Fil A Starbucks. That's why I asked them that. Starbucks.

[Joe Budden]

When they was trying. Let me talk.

[Ish]

Starbucks.

[Joe Budden]

When they was trying to start Starbucks. The nigga couldn't believe that you even want to start this business because we got 20 gabillion Dunkin Donuts all over the place. And one of the first things he said out of his mouth was, we're gonna do coffee extra friendly and really focus on the customer experience. When I didn't know nothing about Starbucks and my girls pulling up to Starbucks, I could tell. I could tell that their employee training.

[Ish]

Part of their training.

[Joe Budden]

Their employee training, you could tell is different than. They're not just training you to. What you saying.

[Ish]

Take the order of being to have.

[Joe Budden]

Effort and do your job. They are training you.

[Imani]

And happiness, yes, in fairness, they also are. Notoriously, they're always ranked in, like, the top companies to work for. I think they take care of their employees and, like, give them school money towards school and stuff like that. So I think you're right. But I also think that there's. It should Be both hands wash each other. Same with Target. Like, and then they should also pay them better.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's how you get happy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Give me dental insurance.

[Ish]

I smile the at Chick Fil A. Damn. They pray for you, right?

[Joe Budden]

It'll be poor.

[Ish]

Them be outside in the portal with the iPad taking your order. They all like smiling, though. And they provide exquisite customer service.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll just tell you this as somebody who owns a customer service business. When we train people in this coffee. So when we train people, we train them to be pleasant. And they are always pleasant, polite, go the extra mile. But I would never say I need to be seeing your teeth, right? Because it's just a little too much.

[Joe Budden]

Again, you don't need to show teeth when you smile.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't mean literally.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, I guess some target fucks is rude. They are rude, right? If enough people are saying that, hey, the employees at this place is rude, it's gonna affect business. One, that's it. Two, they spending probably hundreds and thousands of dollars on market research to see how people feel about their employees. And it's coming back saying, fix it. Yeah, when did it happen? I'm not mad at niggas coming back. I agree with firing you. The least TR you could do is smile at a paying customer. Like, I'm not about to pull out my wife. Like, hey, no, we wanna frown. We wanna frown.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so they're not asking for. So you're the janitor. I go in there, I say, sir, this toilet is someone shit up this bathroom and I really need to do it. And it was Mark. Lama probably was me, right? I'm supposed to be doing this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yes, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm saying, no, I think enough is no problem, sir. I'm happy to. Happy to help you.

[Imani]

See, to me, this comes back to the hiring process. You should have hired people who are upbeat and chipper, which would require you.

[Joe Budden]

To pay more people.

[Imani]

So upbeat and people would come and want to work there. I think it starts with.

[Ish]

Well, we did ask about the numbers. I just looked up, you know, chat GPT to see what the average target and I compared it to Chick Fil a and Starbucks. Because of the other companies we. We mentioned target 1709 an hour on average across rolls. Chick fil a 1469 an hour average. And Starbucks is 1609.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Can I ask a question? When did Target get on the other side of customer service? I thought Walmart was. Was the for the ghetto and sa was like, like, when did they get ignorant? Like, cuz Walmart workers are notorious.

[Ish]

It wasn't really the workers at Target, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was.

[Ish]

It was a product. It was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was.

[Ish]

Because I don't remember Target employees ever being, like, friendly, helpful, nice and all.

[Joe Budden]

It's. But.

[Ish]

But you just. It was when you say Walmart, the ghetto versus Target, it was more so the.

[Mona Scott-Young]

The.

[Ish]

The products that you're getting out of both and the presentation, the quality is a little bit better over here than there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And a lot of it's the neighborhood where you go to these stores too.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Don't know my usual.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was in Target near you area.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And usually if I'm in Target, have.

[Joe Budden]

To find that microphone.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Usually when I'm in Target, I'm in a nice area and I hate more Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

She found this mic fast. Put that right to her mouth with the grip. With muscle.

[Ish]

Muscle memory.

[Joe Budden]

Big M say like I y'.

[Imani]

All.

[Joe Budden]

M. Grab his. Go ahead. We don't have the corn.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't even know what the. I was saying because they're so stupid.

[Ish]

You said the neighborhoods that you go.

[Mona Scott-Young]

To when normally when I'm in Target, it's in a nice area. I've never really. I'm not gonna say never. Of course it happened. But they. They. They don't seem like real nasty. Like, he's experienced that. I haven't really experienced that. You either?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I haven't dog anything. There's one business in the world that should be trying to find any way to get customers back in the store.

[Ish]

It's Target. It is Target.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at them throwing anything at the wall and saying, let's give it a shot. I agree with Parks. If you're gonna change. If you're gonna change that on one side, change it for the other side. Become a company that's known for taking care of your. Giving you reasons, just being on the right side of things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not even just that, but just being.

[Joe Budden]

On the right side of shit. Don't go be a dick back there up in corporate. And now you want people to be out here smiling, fooling people. Like, do both. Fix it up there. Fix it out here. But I don't see nothing wrong with telling people to smile. I agree with you. If you're trying to get your company to.

[Imani]

But also take care of them. That's all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I didn't know that. The Target smiles. I brung that up just to shoot at niggas. I turn. Turned into, like, some serious shit. Okay. Look at us. Depth Potters, the ranger.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, is this just the month where Rappers gonna be apologizing.

[Joe Budden]

Young thugs apologize.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Young thug.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Went to the rabbi. The same rabbi who Kanye went to the week before to offer. What was Thug apologizing for?

[Imani]

That's a good question.

[Ish]

I'm gonna keep it a buck. I saw the young thug. I thought it was AI. I thought niggas was like, oh, now they just doing the new shield. They putting everybody up with the same rabbi.

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Ish]

What's going on?

[Mona Scott-Young]

The rabbi getting money. He booked him busy. This. This booked him busy. About to drop a tape.

[Joe Budden]

Do we know anything about the rabbi?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's.

[Joe Budden]

Let's look him up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a Moroccan. Israeli rabbi. I think about 10 years ago, he did some prison time for bribing a police officer.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That is hilarious.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's. He's quite. Well, he's not quite. He's wealthy. He's wealthy.

[Imani]

How did he become like, the.

[Joe Budden]

The Joel Osteen?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's like a. He's a Kabbalah, a kabbalist, right? Which is a particular strand of kind of mysticism in Judaism. That Madonna was down with that a long time ago. Still may be. I don't know. He has a lot of followers. Comparing him to Joel Osteen isn't the worst comparison in terms of the number of followers he has. So it's not like he's like this revered religious leader per se. There's lots of people in the rabbinate who you could go to other than him. But he seems to be like the go to guy because of his power and influence. And so I think that's part of.

[Joe Budden]

Does have power and influence.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So he has a fan base. I want to be. I'm gonna be very careful with his language because I don't want to say power and influence because there's a lot of anti Semitic tropes about his power. So I'll be very clear. I'm saying he has a big following. Don't trade places where I've been missing. He has a big following, and it seems to me that for whatever reason, they want to go to him. It's weird. He doesn't speak English. So as they go to him, it's not even like they're having dialogue.

[Mona Scott-Young]

They gotta get translated.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause I saw that with. Yeah, Ye spoke to him for like 20 minutes and gave all this deep apology. And the translators was like, Kane. And that was it. Like, it was like they're not even really saying what they're saying. And he like, nods and says like two sentences, and they make it sound like it's this profound thing. He pats them on the head and they leave.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they hold his hands. Yeah. It's a very weird spectacle that I don't understand. At least with Ye I understood. Look, Ye has done some foul shit to the Jewish community and owed an apology. I don't know if he owed it to this rabbi.

[Joe Budden]

I understood.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That made sense to me intuitively. Right. Even if it was just symbolic. I don't know what Thug did. I didn't know Thug has had done anything to the Jewish community.

[Mona Scott-Young]

How do y' all feel when y' all know that he's wealthy and he went to jail? That don't make you think a little. This stranger, he's meeting up with rappers first. Not a little weird.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have no thoughts on the matter.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. Jacob. Jula went to jail.

[Imani]

Mad people went to jail.

[Joe Budden]

Jacob went to jail.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Let me. Don't let me forget it. I can't tell you.

[Joe Budden]

You went to jail. Ish. Went to jail. From work. They came right to the pod and charted him right off.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You got locked up at the bar?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

Don't worry. I wouldn't. I got a shoelace. I ain't let him. I took a shoelace. He had some keys on him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I held him down. He's about to sue us. Suicide, traffic court.

[Joe Budden]

I own him down.

[Imani]

He was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was about the Epstein.

[Joe Budden]

Funny part is he was expecting him. So he knew it for weeks. For weeks. His third high. Was he seeing them before?

[Ish]

He saw before everybody as soon as we got out the car. Yo, yo, take my. Take my.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man, take my.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Talking about.

[Joe Budden]

About.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't know the story, but it's interesting as hell. You care to share her?

[Ish]

No, n. I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. So we got him right out, though. We.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Who was the bell?

[Joe Budden]

No, not for that line.

[Mona Scott-Young]

How much is the bell?

[Joe Budden]

You got him right out. Same day. We got them, right? Ain't spoke French in their life.

[Ish]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

He was trying to put it off, but he kept making calls. Scared to death in there. Scared to death.

[Ish]

Yo, y' all ain't get it yet.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. Yo, y' all ain't got it together. Yo, I'm still in here. We know.

[Ish]

They said if it's not transport, you're not at work.

[Joe Budden]

Where else you going to be?

[Ish]

Transform me to where? I don't know. That's what you were saying.

[Joe Budden]

Boyish man. We got. We got.

[Ish]

Told you that.

[Joe Budden]

Look at him now. His own clothing line. His own mugs. Look at him now. We cleaned them up. Got him out the streets. His talent in jail. Oh, for sure. Right. Come on, man, look, some of the best. Speaking of them best fest. Come on, man. Beautiful little straight cat. Yeah, you know that little cat? No, always beautiful. You just gotta take him in the house, be siamese.

[Mona Scott-Young]

He called this a beautiful. He called this man a beautiful straight cat like that. Gotta be disrespectful in some kind of way. We call this a beautiful straight cat. Straight cat.

[Joe Budden]

What else needs our attention? Or doesn't need our attention, but it's gonna get it anyway.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mentioned Epstein. I think it's worth mentioning that the.

[Joe Budden]

Epstein of the rabbi. Shit, let's get us all spilled, come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you know what we out here now. The Epstein papers. More Epstein emails that come out this week. Week. It's been a busy, busy week in politics. Some of the Democrats in Congress released emails that seemed to at least suggest that Donald Trump knew more about what was happening on Epstein island than he had previously suggested.

[Ish]

Indeed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Specifically, one of the emails said Trump or Trump knew about those girls. Trump knows all about the girls. They also said that Trump spent a significant amount of time with one of the girls in his house.

[Joe Budden]

What it called the dog that didn't bark yet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said the dog.

[Ish]

Yeah, right. Don't know which dog didn't bark yet. Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Now it doesn't mean to be clear, it doesn't mean that Trump is being accused of anything or that there's any evidence of Trump having done anything illegal. But what it does do is it puts a spotlight on him to at least ask some questions. But unfortunately the Epstein files, Epstein emails still have not been released. Trump has responded and since we've been sitting here on his own platform and on the news and he's saying now he wants everything released and he said that when it is released that it will show people like Bill Clinton.

[Ish]

Didn't they tell us there were no Epstein files? Didn't they come out and say there were none?

[Joe Budden]

Right, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, these are emails, I should say emails, right. But yes, you're right. There was supposed to be a list and he said there is no list. There's supposed to be, right. Somehow Jalaine Maxwell got incarcerated based on evidence. Evidence that now doesn't exist. It's a very strange situation.

[Ish]

They gave this lady 20 years in jail based on something right now the same something that they found to lock her up with, they're saying is insignificant or non existent. You think she in jail? No, I don't think she think when she moved from New York to Florida. That went from New York to Florida. France.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all ain't found a conspiracy. Y' all don't fuck with these two, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah. Why? Why?

[Joe Budden]

That's they bag.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think she's in there. I think she's gonna get a commutation though.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah. Cause why. Why wouldn't she be in jail? Y' all didn't. I love conspiracy theories because you always get quiet, like lock eyes. Like chill out. They think don't even put them in.

[Joe Budden]

They coming for us. We can't even say if you know, you know. You don't look at these, bro.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Get to doing signals.

[Ish]

Why you think damn release the Epstein files?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Because there's too many people that's going to get hurt by it.

[Ish]

That's a conspiracy theory.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, that's what happened. I don't know what happened with Epstein and I know how many times that he got in trouble. Like when he first got booked and he did house arrest on. He first got booked and he did.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you move over?

[Mona Scott-Young]

He first got. Move over where, Joey?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Toward the mic.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't being funny, but I hear how that sound.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You on strike two.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't being funny that time.

[Joe Budden]

Move with him is the Joe towards the microphone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, Epstein, when he first got arrested, he had that sweet ass deal. You know what I mean? He coming home on the weekend like it was. It's just a lot with them. I don't know, but I don't.

[Ish]

Conspiracy theory.

[Mona Scott-Young]

What's the conspiracy theory? That's factual stuff.

[Ish]

Why they let him do that?

[Mona Scott-Young]

What you mean why?

[Ish]

Why they let.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Why? Cuz he was rich and powerful. He was connected. Yeah. That's not no conspiracy. That's what's. That's American shit. That's American way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think there's a line between saying.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Powerful people conspiracy theory. Listen, I don't fuck with conspiracy theories, but it troubles me sometimes because I feel like back in the day, cointelpro, black people told each other that was a conspiracy theory back then. And that was true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I don't think they did say it was conspiracy theory. I think they said the government is after us. And I think they was right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right. But I'm saying there had to be some black people that said to you, like even in the Panthers or whatever, you in your group and you come and that person that brings the idea. Some people had to say, you tripping. They ain't watching us over here in Detroit. You think every single person fought that again?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think there's a line between a conspiracy theory and a suspicion about people in power. For example, I assume that anybody who's powerful is going to protect their interests. That's different than saying. I believe that the thing that they're telling us that this person. Like, for example, y'. All. Prison example. I don't have a dog in the fight.

[Ish]

Like, I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not really arguing with y' all in the that. But like, there's a difference between saying they're not gonna release the files because powerful people are implicated. We know powerful people are implicated. Powerful people on Epstein Island. They mentioned Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard and treasury secretary was on the fucking island. I hate to go to church. Let's mention the white people. Bill Clinton, but Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, JP Morgan, I mean, these are big names. Of course they're gonna do whatever they can to protect their interests. To me, that's not a conspiracy theory. That's kind of like just a theory of power. That's just common sense.

[Ish]

I think that ties to the. That it's the exact same thing. I'm just waiting for them to hear.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but that's how conspiracy theories work. They're lightly dipped in truth. Right? And sometimes they're correct also. Sometimes conspiracy theories are right. But I'm just saying they always are tied to something that's true.

[Mona Scott-Young]

But before y' all respond, though, when he says that about. Because when he said it to me, right, like say the opposite of what I'm saying or whatever, it automatically makes sense because they're in positions of power and they have every reason to do whatever. So that makes sense. So I'm curious, like, what could be the other side?

[Ish]

So if I have an immense amount of power, I have immense amount of connections and resources, and I don't snitch on some of the most powerful people on the planet. They look me out when they move me from a jail. Who the fuck knows where they moved me to?

[Mona Scott-Young]

But she didn't snitch it. She got the time. I'm confused. She didn't snitch. She got the time.

[Ish]

She got. She ain't snitched. She got the time.

[Mona Scott-Young]

She got the time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got the time for sex trafficking of minors, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Because she was definitely like a madam, Right?

[Ish]

Cool.

[Mona Scott-Young]

So what the would be the point of putting this in France? Why are we putting it. Why? What do you think somebody gonna come kill her? I don't get it.

[Ish]

I don't want you to sit in the box. Cause you looked out the whole collective and we got enough power for you not to sit in jail.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh no. That makes no sense. Gonna die down. That's my person playing. You know what I mean? But that I feel like it's always a fall dog. And she a girl. You they gonna let her.

[Ish]

I don't think it's too much.

[Joe Budden]

You. You.

[Ish]

You could talk. You are still a liability.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Ish]

So we protect you by. Because you protected us.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My thing. If you're gonna protect it. She would never got charged from the door. That's how I look at it.

[Ish]

That's wrong.

[Joe Budden]

You got.

[Ish]

You just said it got to be a fall dog. Somebody got it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Somebody got to take this thing got cased up too.

[Ish]

Yeah. And he might start canarying. And guess what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now he committed suicide.

[Ish]

That's a conspiracy theory too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It absolutely is.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not against conspiracy theories. I just don't believe as many as y' all do.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I. I just don't believe everyone. I think.

[Ish]

I don't believe everyone.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Epstein, you believe everyone?

[Ish]

I said I don't believe everyone. Some of this shit is not saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Epstein committed suicide to me is plausible. Also saying that he didn't commit suicide is plausible. That's a conspiracy theory. Thinking that Maxwell has been disappeared from the prison and is hiding in France, I think is more of a stretch just cause I don't see any evidence of it. But also cuz I think there's easier ways to do it. I think Trump might commute her sentence.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Right. That's a possibility.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or I think she'll go on appeal and they'll have some evidence that was misplaced. They'll find some reason to justify putting her out.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Especially if they powerful they can do it smoother than that.

[Ish]

When Ghislaine Maxwell went first went to prison, who was the president?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was it Biden?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Obama?

[Ish]

I don't know if it was Trump's first.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It might have been Trump. Honestly, I'm not sure.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Maxwell went to prison.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, it was Biden.

[Ish]

I don't know who it was. But you can't bank on her sentence being commuted by Trump if you never knew Trump was gonna be the next president.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I just think that they look as would I. I'm looking out for my peoples fam. Like that's just how it is. I don't knock nobody when they nepotism or friendship or none of that shit. I'm on that bag. So I don't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I want to ask both of y', all, what do you Do. How do y' all gauge with conspiracy theories to take part in and what not to like? What? Is it any rhythm or rhyme to it or do y' all just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They're from Newark. They believe everything except the Malcolm X story. We talk about it on Patreon. Cause I got it.

[Ish]

Soul says the Philly, don't do this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't do this. Don't do this. We're moving on to something else.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Philly versus Newark. Y' all want to do that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they don't want that smoke.

[Mona Scott-Young]

We can go back to back and fight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Because they all can't beat us.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

What, y' all fighting?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like my chance with more actual fighting now. No, no, we're talking about actually fighting.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like, really rumbling. We back to back. Them back to back. We fighting.

[Ish]

Okay, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe's fine with it.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You want fun?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not from North Work, so I don't have a horse history. Don't give a. I never cop drugs from New. I never did nothing. Why would we have in Newark? So, Joe, what's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What. What Is your evening going. Are you allowed to share your evening tonight?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Why he look so close?

[Ish]

You see how your friend ask you a question?

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand.

[Ish]

They want your real answer.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand the question. Am I allowed to share my evening? Tonight's birthday game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you go to the Nick game.

[Joe Budden]

We go to Nick game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's nice.

[Joe Budden]

She'll love that after the Nick game. I'm sure you want to go there. She does love, actually. She does love. She's a Knick fan.

[Imani]

Know how much girls love athletic events.

[Joe Budden]

No, she actually does love the Nick game.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Course I different, though.

[Imani]

That's true.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You feel me? Of course I different.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, after the game. It's lit.

[Imani]

You outside after the game.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta head to pound town.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Just left pound Town.

[Joe Budden]

Because it wasn't none of that last.

[Ish]

Night.

[Joe Budden]

Midnight, every other day rule. Yeah, yeah. Or every other day, though.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, it's happening tonight.

[Joe Budden]

If it don't happen tonight, it'll happen tomorrow.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Oh, it's happening tonight.

[Ish]

The iou.

[Joe Budden]

You. But we going to the Nick game.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Not on my birthday. We already discussed this.

[Joe Budden]

I want to play this clip from the Joe and Jada podcast. Shout out to Fat Joe and. And Jadakus. This is about Fat Joe seeing something at the Nick game. I have no idea who he's talking about, but everybody laughing at the glizzy.

[Ish]

They eat the glist. I walked in the Nick game the other day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Somebody was sitting right behind me.

[Joe Budden]

Me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Who?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Imaginary.

[Joe Budden]

You know.

[Ish]

You know, sitting behind me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Stop playing this.

[Joe Budden]

You full of. I wasn't there.

[Ish]

Somebody very important was sitting right behind me. And when I went to greet him, he had a glizzy with sour crowd.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And I said, yo, you got the glizzy. This Joe is a comedian. Like he said.

[Joe Budden]

I said, yo, he got buying hot dogs.

[Ish]

I look at the. He got a glizzy with sour crop mustard and all. I look at him, I see.

[Joe Budden]

I know how to take. Did you want to be the only one with a glizzy or you didn't like the man got the man not gay.

[Ish]

He there with his wife and all that. His mother. Just people with me over a glizzy.

[Joe Budden]

Why? I see the man and I'm like, yo.

[Ish]

Get a glizy in plain view.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In plain view.

[Joe Budden]

Over. Pull over. Shout out to G. Herbo was in this clip, too. Listen.

[Ish]

And all I could think of is like, yo, you got the glizzy, right?

[Joe Budden]

I'm crazy. Like I'm the only nigga eating the hot dog. I see this.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Just say, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you got the glitch.

[Ish]

He said, yo, chill up. Cause he knew this was coming sooner or later.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, no, wait. One more time.

[Ish]

Where was that? What a glizzy was at Plain View. Yo, that is funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, see you enjoy.

[Ish]

Glizzy Bros interview.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, now this is why I bring it up. I don't give a parked on my. It was two glizzies, double barrel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, you had. You had double fisted, doubled it, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I said two glizzies and you automatically do like this?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it was used to it.

[Joe Budden]

It was two glizzies. We get to the Knicks game early so we could get the seafood and. And the glizzy. The funny part is I wasn't even gonna get them that day. But we had time to kill. I went back. I went to my. All right, hey, hey. We didn't get the food. We went to the seats. We had time to kill. I'm like, you know what? I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna. I'm going to get my two glimpses. And I seen Fat Joe coming behind me, and I was crazy with his own Gl. We getting rid of. Pause. I saw Fat Joe as he was attempting to get to his seat, okay. While I had the glizzies.

[Ish]

It's crazy, son.

[Joe Budden]

And I was like, yo, where can you put them? You can't. You can't put them on the floor.

[Ish]

Plain sight, right?

[Joe Budden]

If you leave them on your lap, it might get sauerkraut. There's no way to put sauerkraut to go too far.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't know you were sauerkraut guy.

[Joe Budden]

An eye dog, of course.

[Ish]

Okay, okay.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Not good. You know how much a hot dog hit the spot? Y' all ruined that for n Glizzy.

[Joe Budden]

A banger though.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Off the grill.

[Joe Budden]

Perks Black Jordan, talk to him.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Don't go. Mustard, relish, ketchup. Don't do none of that. Spicy mustard. None of that.

[Imani]

Oh, no, you can put. You can put all.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's what I'm saying, cuz it's.

[Joe Budden]

You do.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I love all of that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought you had the Chicago style. I thought you just do mustard.

[Imani]

I do that sometimes too, but ketchup and mayo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You put the mayo.

[Joe Budden]

Arrest him.

[Imani]

I'm not opposed to it.

[Joe Budden]

He has to go to jail.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I want to lock you up a sandwich. So, bro, you put mayo on a hot dog.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You mix the ketchup in the mayo first. Just swipe.

[Joe Budden]

Went to go see Max B too. This man.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Putting mayo on the.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's the first concerning thing I ever heard. I can't believe it. I wish you didn't tell me that.

[Joe Budden]

Glizzies are great.

[Imani]

I had sauerkraut and relish. I don't like those things, but it was good.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You ever been down bad and put a hot dog in a microwave?

[Imani]

No, no. I used. I used. I used the oven.

[Ish]

No, we had like mon.

[Joe Budden]

You was poor. You was poorer than us growing up too though. Turns out.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm from the suburbs.

[Ish]

We was pouring the other little kids.

[Joe Budden]

She was. She was poorer than us, right? No, I was. Wasn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know these stories.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My mother moved me to the suburbs.

[Joe Budden]

By like 8th grade pork and meats and hot dogs. Did you ever have them growing up?

[Mona Scott-Young]

We ain't no swine. Oh yeah, we a pork. We ate vegetarian beans. Stop it. Pork of beans is 50 cent vegetarian. $2. Who was more poor? Stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait. You ate 50 cent beans growing up. You throw away pennies?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Exactly. Exactly. The is he talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You the one throwing away the penny.

[Joe Budden]

Throw away.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. I didn't know what to do. I got the dab from Philly. I just went with it.

[Joe Budden]

From New Draw the whole moment. Oh, man, I had fun today, guys. Fat Joe didn't name no names, but a bunch of people started adding me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that though. Kind of know I respect that.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz I don't hide my love for Glizzies.

[Ish]

I'm not doing none of that behind.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said he went behind him.

[Ish]

So I know that's me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That park is on. Know if it's supposed to be comedic, but Joe is funny on that podcast.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Funny dude like yo, he when he ain't trying.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, he don't. I don't think he think he. He know he funny.

[Joe Budden]

He just funny as Kiss is funny too. Kiss is funny and acknowledging. I watch. It's like it works. It works together. Shout out to those guys. Shout out to G herbo who was also in that clip. I did have. Whose side are you on?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yes.

[Joe Budden]

I had a whole side of you on for you guys.

[Imani]

Let's hear.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Where's. Where's my. Let me plug in. Let me plug in. Let me plug in. Like to hear it. Here we go.

[Ish]

Dan Dotson, one of the stars of Storage wars, bought an abandoned and neglected storage unit for 500 bucks and proceeded to find $7.5 million inside a safe in the unit. They said he purchased the unit for 500 bucks. And initially the first person person who came and tried to crack the safe.

[Joe Budden]

Couldn'T open it or failed to do so.

[Ish]

They finally cracked the safe, opened it up and found seven and a half million dollars cash.

[Joe Budden]

Now here's where it gets interesting.

[Ish]

Immediately after the discovery was Dan gets.

[Joe Budden]

A call from a mysterious lawyer who is now representing the seller of the.

[Ish]

Unit, saying, we want it all back.

[Joe Budden]

Initially offered 600,000 bucks to return the.

[Ish]

Storage unit and the rest of the money, Dan declined. They then countered with 1.2 million.

[Joe Budden]

After discussing it over with his wife.

[Ish]

Dan decided to accept the offer and turned a $500 purchase into a 1.2 million dollar jackpot.

[Joe Budden]

It begs the question, I'm confused.

[Ish]

What's the question?

[Imani]

You know what time it is?

[Joe Budden]

Assuming that the law. We're assuming we don't know the law. We're not lawmakers. Assuming that the law states the purchaser of the unit owns whatever's in the unit. Yeah. What do you do? Whose side are you on?

[Ish]

Depending on how that phone call went.

[Imani]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ish]

Who's this remind me of? When Roddy Ricch story Storage unit your fam. We offered this. Oh, you still saying no, we're coming.

[Joe Budden]

To get you and that.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah, that part.

[Ish]

And he get his stuff back.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's why I'm asking because safe to assume that if somebody has seven and a half million dollars in the safe that needed to be broken into in storage and also another million dollars to get that money, it's safe to assume.

[Ish]

Or it might have been keep a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Million in their investment bank.

[Ish]

You keep 1 point, keep 1.7.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what he said.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's not what he said. Either way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Either way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, either way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Either way.

[Joe Budden]

Safe to assume where this is coming from. So with that in mind, whose side are you on? What would you do?

[Imani]

I did exactly what he did. I don't know if I would have negotiated.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know if I would have turned down to 600. Cause I don't feel entitled to it.

[Joe Budden]

But. But I would have turned down to six just cuz I could think of two places to hide for at least 10 hours.

[Ish]

And I got the cash out.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, like.

[Joe Budden]

And I got the seven and a half.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

Like, it ain't like I can't get.

[Joe Budden]

In the safe, but I'm giving it back. I am giving it back Again, it.

[Ish]

Depend on how them phone calls go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it ain't no phone call you could give me that's going to make me keep $7 million of a nigga. That's not $7 million in the safe.

[Imani]

In a storage unit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In a storage unit. That only mean one thing.

[Imani]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I ain't with it.

[Imani]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with y'. All.

[Imani]

I like my family and yeah, I.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like my fingers, my toes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All that to the people on the other side of this. What do you think?

[Ish]

I mean, I'm keeping the money.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'm trying my hand that you going to come pop me about this seven. I'm like the. I'm gonna give you. You give six, you give me.

[Ish]

I believe you. First off, nobody would know I got seven. God gave me the seven out the safe because I would have never made that public knowledge.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Ish]

But in the event that it did become public knowledge, yo, dog, y' all had it in a. If it was worth so much, y' all should have never let the storage unit go on the sale. If y' all had that much bread and all that other. They send you mad notices before your go for sale. They send you all that. Y' all ain't go get the bread. So if it wasn't on the show and somebody bought the storage unit, y' all would have been stuck regardless.

[Imani]

Or they could be so rich that that $6 million slipped their mind a little bit.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, cool.

[Ish]

Let it keep sleeping slipping.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I don't give a if your face on the safe. That's my money. And you went to kill me for that money.

[Ish]

That's when they call, wipe their nose.

[Imani]

And they might. They might.

[Joe Budden]

That was a mistake. Y' all can keep.

[Imani]

Yeah, they might. They might.

[Ish]

I'm cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I ain't risking it. I don't want nobody to come kill me.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I'mma run.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So now you on the run.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's like. I feel like we need to take blessings when they come. You just walked into $1.2 million for 500.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Gave me 7.5, baby. That's what God gave me.

[Ish]

Blessing.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's what God gave me. 7.5. Matter of fact, you could buy guns and all that and help. What's up? Let's go to war then. Yeah, we both up.

[Joe Budden]

But when they tell your story on the news. Oh, well, I'mma understand how that happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's where she went wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Imani]

She could have kept the one.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It doesn't.

[Imani]

9.5. Whatever.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It almost sounds like a little, you know, made up, but because the guy's famous, right? That's the guy from the show Storage Wars. Right?

[Joe Budden]

Right. Yes. Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Sidebar. I love that show.

[Imani]

Great show, dog.

[Mona Scott-Young]

When I tell you I will be on my.

[Imani]

On the American. American Pickers.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yes. I'll be on the edge of my seat knowing these ain't going to get nothing but toy dinosaurs and a dumbass picture of Betty Boo. I'm like, oh my God. What is it? I always thought it was going to be 7.5.

[Imani]

Some old bub ass coats.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Every time. Dust and ass.

[Imani]

Or a bike or some.

[Mona Scott-Young]

It's always some stupid.

[Ish]

It is.

[Mona Scott-Young]

You know what I mean? Or special coins. They be Chucky Cheese coins. It's a waste of time. I love watching you waste your time like that.

[Imani]

It's like.

[Ish]

It's my br.

[Imani]

You're crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like y' all think it's gangsters, man.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, I'm just saying it's my money.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even believe is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I don't. I believe her.

[Joe Budden]

I think you pardon. I believe she was serious.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, she absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

She's dead serious. She risk her life. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I think you're too reasonable for that. I think you would. I think you would be practically. You value your family. If you put a lot at risk for money that you ain't even have.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't believe that information no matter what.

[Ish]

Let me ask you a question. Ish. Just play it out. If you were on the other side, I know you would say. You wouldn't have lost track of it you wouldn't have let the unit go into foreclosure. Whatever. Whatever. But if that happened and you had the person didn't want to give you your money back, what would you do? Chalk it up as a loss?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Okay, now ask me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You would chalk up $7 million no matter how much money you was up or not up.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't nobody just chalking up.

[Ish]

So you call this dude and yo, I understand you just bought my storage unit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Ish]

It's seven and a half million in there. Look, dog, keep 600. Let me get the rest. And he like, nah, that.

[Joe Budden]

That's mine.

[Ish]

All right, keep 1.2. Let me get the rest. Nah, that. That's mine. I don't know what you're talking about. This is my money.

[Joe Budden]

He understood you.

[Ish]

I would make sure we playing this school and all of that and be.

[Joe Budden]

Like, yo, let's negotiate.

[Ish]

It's a different conversation.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, look at it. Look at the conversations. Corey, jump in.

[Ish]

Like, this don't even make sense. Is creating a scenario that nobody said on the thing. First of all, I would research the law to see if I was the could get the money back through legal means if I couldn't get the money. We just assuming that every rich is a gangster.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, just the keep 7 million in safes and storage units. That sound like ghosts.

[Ish]

Got you. What I'm saying is I would research to see if I could get my money back legally. If I couldn't get my money back legally, I'm definitely not gonna tell a let me get my $7.5 million back, and I'm gonna give you $600,000. I think leading with $600,000 is insulting. Yo, I would. I'd make an offer any of that. Like, I'm not gonna offer a $600,000 for my $7 million back.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Even a million is crazy to me.

[Ish]

Like, what are we talking about?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Like, imagine really handing them.

[Joe Budden]

Here you go.

[Ish]

This is what I.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I believe.

[Mona Scott-Young]

And if it's two other foot and I left it in the storage room.

[Ish]

Or whatever, and it meant so much to me that I left it in the storage unit that eventually, over a long period of time, got sold. Did the 7.5 really, really mean that much to me that I could lose.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or I was locked up or somebody else was managing for me. I can think of situation this how.

[Joe Budden]

Every guy gangster TV show could be.

[Ish]

Incarcerated for a while. Whatever the case or the block could.

[Imani]

Have been the spot could have been hot. There could have been.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It could be reasons why you Couldn't come forward. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, it's gonna be watching me for six months or a year, and I ain't want to come out. I mean, I could think of lots of situations, but y' all two the gangsters in this crew, man.

[Mona Scott-Young]

The same way A could pretend like it's his and it's not. How the we know it's his? God gave me this. We fighting about this money.

[Ish]

And I just looked up legally, just. Just to answer the question. If a storage unit is sold, the buyer legally owns everything inside.

[Mona Scott-Young]

That's a fact.

[Ish]

Now, there is some little technicalities where it's like if they didn't send a proper notice, they sent the notice to the wrong address. They auctioned too soon, they charged illegal fees, they failed to give you a chance to pay what you owe. Things like that. Then you have a lawsuit against the storage unit. You still can't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Can't get your shit back. That's what I know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We assume that we had the. The buyer had the legal right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm giving that money up. Anybody with the balls that asked me for it, I'm giving it to him. I'm sorry, that's just.

[Joe Budden]

Before we go, can we just talk about all her fault?

[Imani]

Oh, please.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Imani]

You finally finished?

[Joe Budden]

I finished it.

[Ish]

Yeah. I'm gonna go in there, cuz I ain't see it. And everybody keeps saying, this is fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, go ahead. It ain't fire. Yeah, it ain't fire.

[Imani]

It's bad, bad fire.

[Joe Budden]

It's not actually.

[Ish]

The show is.

[Imani]

It's trash fire.

[Joe Budden]

It's like a really good bad show. Yeah, it's a really, really, really good bad show once you start it, because they give you the story on episode one. It's compelling enough. You got to see it through for sure.

[Ish]

You know why I think you. Y' all think it's so bad. Y' all are really DOC people. And this is a fiction story.

[Imani]

I like both fictions and doc.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a peacock.

[Joe Budden]

It's a peacock story. So that tells me what type of bad is going to be. They could have told the same. The same story on fx, and it would have been totally different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, is a peacock story, like a Lifetime story.

[Joe Budden]

I was a different variation because I.

[Imani]

Bodied the Gacy that I kept talking about.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think they did.

[Imani]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't think they did. I mean, I know you love that point of view. I don't think they did. I'm just saying certain networks have a stylistically Peacock is. Is. I mean, all her fault is a peacockish kind of show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They could tell that same exact story. Story on fx and it goes totally different. It would look more. It would look like sons of animals.

[Imani]

I think. I do think in different hands that would have been a better show.

[Joe Budden]

But I finished it. Wait, did we finish it? I got like 20 minutes left, right? It pisses me off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't be the way you finished.

[Joe Budden]

I've seen enough. Once you get to seven, it's.

[Ish]

I told you, the six is wraps up and then it's just clearing after six is done.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, spoiler alert, Spoiler alert. Because I'm gonna tell. Was y' all trolling me with the whole. Hey, we never gonna guess. You're never gonna guess this twist. And. And who's responsible? Because Pete Irvitz. What's his name? Pete Irvin.

[Imani]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Irvin.

[Joe Budden]

Pete Irvin. What a sack of.

[Imani]

The dad.

[Joe Budden]

The husband.

[Imani]

The husband that's not the dad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, the husband. He. I don't even know what to say. If you haven't seen this, he's a horrible person.

[Ish]

He's horrible. Both husbands.

[Joe Budden]

But not only that. I've never seen a show take the worst actor on the show and make him the bad guy. The main. The main.

[Imani]

Everyone was bad in that show.

[Joe Budden]

Acting, he was worse.

[Imani]

Except for the kid.

[Joe Budden]

Him and Milo.

[Imani]

Milo. Milo's a bad actor.

[Joe Budden]

That little baby was a hard, horrible actor. Terrible, horrible actor. By episode seven, I was so done with this fucking story. All I could say is this is a cute little white baby. This white little baby.

[Imani]

He was having a blast at the kidnapper house.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, dog. He asked for his mom 1 1/2 times. Other than that, he didn't want, he didn't get. Only cause it was his birthday.

[Ish]

And then once they told him and once they told him, nah, he was cold. It wasn't.

[Mona Scott-Young]

No, no.

[Ish]

I want mommy.

[Joe Budden]

That little boy was having the greatest time. Mac and cheese again.

[Imani]

Sketchy ass dad put him in the bathroom when he was just cool with it.

[Ish]

Pete.

[Joe Budden]

Everything that went wrong in everybody life was Pete fault for sure. And every time they found out about was a big to do. It was like, oh my God, Pete.

[Imani]

I can't believe it was.

[Joe Budden]

I can't believe I'm sitting at home. The girl, the. The p. White said, you lied to me. We at home. Like, he's been lying since he was five years old.

[Imani]

Yeah, he lied on his brother back.

[Joe Budden]

He's been lying about everything.

[Ish]

Everything that came Out. The brother, the sister. Yeah, yeah. Let the sister take the fall for it.

[Imani]

Snatching the baby out the car is crazy, though. That's where I didn't see it coming.

[Ish]

Swapping the baby.

[Imani]

Yeah. Swapping the baby.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Imani]

Putting your dead baby back in another car is crazy.

[Ish]

But even I was talking about this with my mom. That goes to his need to be needed.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Needed.

[Ish]

Because he thought everybody was dead. He thought old girl was there. He thought his wife. He didn't even check right. But now I hear the crying baby. All right, there's something that's gonna need me. He got a sickness.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. His explanation every time to why he was doing this. It never made enough sense for you to understand it.

[Ish]

He has a sickness.

[Joe Budden]

The whole. I need you to need me. Hey, you were gonna be up if you didn't have a baby. If our baby died. I thought she was dead. That baby was gonna go into. We would have took a better. Better care of the baby. Everybody. He has his God complex. Yes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. He. Pete, that. That was crazy, that show. And I ain't. I ain't gonna hold you. The kidnapper girl. The mom.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Imani]

She actually acted well, I thought.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. She wasn't. She wasn't.

[Imani]

She wasn't bad.

[Joe Budden]

I wish they would. How she knew that was her kid Off. Just off the. Off the.

[Imani]

Well, because the synthesia.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. Exactly. Oh, you can taste the words.

[Ish]

Yeah. But you got.

[Joe Budden]

You can see chocolate.

[Ish]

She said, no, my. She never believes her kid died. Something happened. She's like, I heard my kid crying. So in her mind, she's like, yo, nah, y' all telling me something. Like, she never went with it.

[Joe Budden]

I got that part. But now, all these years later, you happen to pull up to somebody yard, you bump into a kid that's in the yard, and you're like, yo, this my kid. That's nuts. She knew from the rip. As soon as she saw this kid in the yard that her dad brought her to, she fell in love. She said, I'm not Lee. I'm. I'm not living without this kid. I'm like, you're doing a lot. I. I get the whole mother's instinct thing. That was nutty.

[Imani]

Why was the kid alone in the.

[Joe Budden]

Yard by that part?

[Ish]

There's so many way off on the sad parenting and alone with a stuffed.

[Joe Budden]

Animal in a stranger.

[Ish]

I was like, yo, what? Yeah, the show should be called Bad Decisions.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. The kids should have stayed kidnapped a little longer for this to go away. Once.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Once the.

[Joe Budden]

Once this Story started unraveling. It was a bag of just. What the. Are y' all doing? Yeah, what am I watching? I have to finish watching it. But of course, this is a crock of.

[Imani]

And then even then, the way she poisoned him with the soy breath, that was weird.

[Ish]

She had to get them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

[Ish]

Swapped out the EpiPen.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Homie from INS.

[Ish]

I like the cop.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I love him.

[Ish]

I love the cop.

[Joe Budden]

I always love him.

[Imani]

Yeah, he's always a cop.

[Joe Budden]

I feel he's always this guy.

[Imani]

Yeah, yeah, he is. But some of the. That he would like. The way that they got to his policing was also mad. Unbelievable. He was like, you know, I just. I don't feel that. It's like, no cop would have went through that. They just said, oh, rich family. All right, cool, man. It's. It's a wrap.

[Ish]

Would y' all have done the Tylenol Switch?

[Imani]

What was the title on Switch?

[Ish]

Remember? They told him, the dean from the school, yo, we can get your kid in this school.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, with the cop.

[Ish]

But his son got a little issue. He has some shit on him. He told him it's Tylenol and it can all go away if basically you go into the evidence locker and switch it to Tylenol. And if you do. So we let your kid in here.

[Imani]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I want to say that I wouldn't have, but I get it, because he.

[Ish]

Told him no, and he thought about it, he'd go home. He see how bad this kid is doing, and see he's in this. It's not. Not the best school. You know what? I gotta do it. I gotta do it. I thought something was gonna come out from that.

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, this show, if you're watching it, I guess finish it.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's a good show, man.

[Imani]

It's a good.

[Joe Budden]

Bad show.

[Ish]

It's a good show.

[Joe Budden]

It's a really good.

[Ish]

It's a different story. It's. I like the twist. I don't like predictable.

[Joe Budden]

And then you got me. All her fault. When it's all his fault.

[Imani]

Okay, there you go.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, come on, man.

[Ish]

Hey, I like that kind of shit.

[Joe Budden]

That was her fault.

[Ish]

I'm so tired of watching shows in the first episode or the first couple minutes. You can say, oh, yeah, what's this? And I ain't just waiting for it to play out. I liked something that was different. So that's why I fucked with. I'm like, oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

And then, salute, nigga. How far was the fucking hospital? How far was the hospital that y' all able to get into a 65 mile per hour crash two seconds after y' all both just had.

[Ish]

Y' all just left.

[Joe Budden]

We're leaving the hospital.

[Ish]

And where are y' all and Timo? In the intersection.

[Joe Budden]

Huh? Yeah.

[Ish]

Intersection.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No. Yo, this show is. This show. This show. A lot of in it. It's a mess.

[Imani]

It's a mess. But I. I'll finish it was sort of worth it.

[Ish]

They just got some new. That just dropped up there. I didn't start it yet.

[Joe Budden]

I still didn't start this. Plus.

[Imani]

Plus, that is really. I can't.

[Ish]

I like it.

[Imani]

I like it too. I can't decide. It's by Vince Gilliam, who did Breaking the Bed and Better Call Saul. It's basically like a alien slash virus thing.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Imani]

And the girl's the last one that didn't get involved.

[Ish]

Essentially.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Ish]

It's what they told. I think they said it's seven people. I think it was discovered or like something like that. That it's like a hive mentality took over the world.

[Imani]

But everyone's just nice.

[Ish]

Everybody's nice. But everybody, like, everybody is connected. So, you know, like, she asked a little boy a question about some damn open heart surgery.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And he knows the answer because he can. He knows. He's also an open heart surgeon. Like, everybody's one person except for these group of people. And Shorty is just.

[Joe Budden]

Is it good or not?

[Imani]

I can't tell yet. I like it. I'm enjoying it. I can't tell if it's a comedy or serious.

[Ish]

It's some comedy in there.

[Imani]

There's a lot of. I'm laughing the whole time.

[Ish]

It's comedy in there. I think it's meant to be comedic to an extent, though.

[Imani]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I like the show so far. I want to see where it's going.

[Imani]

Yeah, me too. It's on Apple.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's on.

[Imani]

It's A million people tweeted me out. Watch it. So. So I'm trying it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All right. I might check it out.

[Ish]

It's different, though. Like, don't go in.

[Imani]

It's different. It's weird.

[Joe Budden]

For sure. It's.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Joe Budden]

I am gonna check it out. It. Why not Mayor Kingstown.

[Imani]

I still watched this last episode.

[Ish]

I got around. I Got around.

[Joe Budden]

I love it. Yeah, I love it. I love it.

[Ish]

I still think. This ain't a spoiler. I got. I got the brother dying.

[Imani]

Oh, me too.

[Ish]

I got him done.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, within the next two episodes, I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. For this show to go where it need to go, he gotta die. Yeah, he gotta die.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I've lost half my crew.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But it's fine. It is fine. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you, man. Y' all hold it down out there. Keep us in your prayers. Lord, no, we need to be there until the next time. We bid you adieu. Farewell. Adios. Arrivederci. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long, goodbye or a simple head nod will suffice.

[Ish]

Ego.

[Joe Budden]

If I can be on top. Here we go. Here we go, man. Weekend vibes. Weekend vibes.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Big Scorpio. Big Scorpios out there. Shout out to y'. All. Just for this month, though. Just for this month.

[Mona Scott-Young]

My mommy birthday. Sunday.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Eagles. I really enjoyed our little George Michael tribute at the end of the last part.

[Imani]

That was great.

[Joe Budden]

That was great. You know, sing the song on her.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Eyes all Thomas, I love.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Go ahead. Let him. Go ahead. Let him, girl. Long days and nights. I spit. What y' all doing this weekend, man? Weekend plans.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Weekend plans.

[Joe Budden]

Weekend plans. Anything fun? Anything fun? What am I doing?

[Ish]

Yeah, I had to think. I don't think I got that much.

[Joe Budden]

It's fine. It's fine. That much.

[Mona Scott-Young]

I got you something.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mona Scott-Young]

Finally, I'm moving into a place. I really want it. I got it and I'm moving into it.

[Joe Budden]

You're moving this weekend?

[Mona Scott-Young]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, come on, make some noise.

[Ish]

Jbp. Jbp, right?

[Mona Scott-Young]

I mean, playing with me. I'm all. Finally. I'm so happy. I ain't got word.

[Joe Budden]

I mean no more. Stealing degree is. She ain't stealing deodorant.

[Ish]

She.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's the best line in music history. Hold up. Why Carl, tell them. So they could be a family.

[Ish]

For the children.

[Joe Budden]

What a sack.

[Ish]

Family. Woman, what about me?

[Joe Budden]

Kids, Them kids. Y' all hold it down out there. We'll be back, same time, same place, next week. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. And the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. She still belongs. Yeah. This thing can think about dying. Love another life. Background on Catch 22. Cat 22. Carl. Thomas is such a piece of. And I wish I never met her oh. Even though I love her so she's got love, love hey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Till next time, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. Y' all hold it down. Wait a minute. At all at all. Sassy call a cingo.

[Ish]

He played that all along. By the way.

[Joe Budden]

I want Carl to sing in my wedding, but he ain't got no wedding slaps. I can't have this. Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Definitely can't have this.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Congratulations to Terence J. I seen he got married recently. This week.

[Imani]

Congrats.

[Joe Budden]

Congratulations.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Congrats.

[Ish]

How dubac.

[Joe Budden]

If I never met her? I seen Rashad out there too. Hey, hold up. Hey, Rashad. Why the is Rashad at Terrence J's wedding?

[Ish]

He close.

[Joe Budden]

So I don't care.

[Ish]

So you go to your man wedding.

[Joe Budden]

Sit down. Sit down. Why won't sit down? God damn it. Rashad and Troy. Yeah, they got to sit down. Enough of them. Enough, enough. Enough. Oh, please. Just met these. Enough. Enough of this. Enough of it. You just met a month ago. 50 years. I ain't trying to go to that. Anyway. Yeah. I still have you, star. Hold up. And I'm joking, by the way.

[Ish]

Yeah. Because you know I wouldn't give a.

[Joe Budden]

How take it. Sit down. You don't gotta be everywhere. You just let Javante fight.

[Ish]

Did he fight?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know where he left. No. No. I don't know. Cancel that. We'll fold that up right now.

[Ish]

Don't look away now.