Episode 879 | "Vote For Twan!"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 879 | “Vote For Twan!”
Release Date: November 19, 2025
Host: Joe Budden (J), with Queens Flip (QF), Parks (P), Ish, Ice (IC), and Mark Lamont Hill (MLH)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Joe Budden Podcast blends hilarious banter, candid social commentary, and deep dives into music industry happenings. The crew covers everything from wardrobe roasting and life updates, to thoughtful reactions on viral news stories, album reviews, street ethics, politics, and drama in hip-hop. Special energy surfaces around Ish’s charitable work and growing “Vote for Twan!” subplot, with the team speculating on his potential political career. The group also thoughtfully discusses Roc Nation’s new distribution platform, music rollout strategies, charges against Tory Lanez and Tekashi 6ix9ine, and the ever-present question of street code and personal growth.

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Segment Highlights & Key Moments

Opening Banter: Fashion Roasts & Friendship

[00:27 – 07:00]

• The episode kicks off with the crew clowning each other’s fashion choices—beard dyes, weight loss, khaki vs olive fits, and “back to school” styles.
• Ice confesses his beard dye is actually just shampoo, to which QF responds:

  “He got the good [one] this time though.” (QF, [01:30])

• Ish mentions his recent weight loss:

  “I am down 11 pounds.” (Ish, [03:34])

• The crew jokes about shopping habits, with Ish revealing his girl has to wrangle him into buying new clothes:

  “She’ll convince me to buy this, like, yo, get that. Get this too. And get that. That’s what she’ll do. … I’d rather shop for everybody else.” (Ish, [10:16])

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Turkey Drive & Political Ambitions

[22:01 – 27:50 | 145:01 – 160:00]

• Flip reveals he was arrested and missed a commercial shoot, sparking a deep conversation on legal systems and I-card warrants.
• The podcast pivots to Ish’s charitable turkey drive in Newark:

  “No, we had a turkey drive in Newark. All over Newark. … Ras Baraka, shout out to Roz and Mitty, Faith Evans, myself, a couple people…” (Ish, [24:59])

• Joe jokes about Ish’s rise to political power, calling for audience support:

  “That’s how it start. That’s how it start.” (J, [26:56])

• The “Vote for Twan!” storyline peaks with the group ribbing Ish about campaign plans and his readiness to earn the gay vote:

  “Are you worried about how you’ll come across the gay [community]?” (J, [162:22])
  “You should let Mark run—be your campaign manager.” (J, [156:55])

• Running joke: Would giving out turkeys be enough to get Ish elected?
• Ish maintains he’s not running but enjoys the banter.

  “I don’t know what y’all talking about. I’m not.” (Ish, [156:44])

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DoorDash Viral Incident & Internet Entitlement

[30:01 – 38:50]

• The team analyzes the story of a DoorDash driver arrested for filming a passed-out customer and posting it online, unpacking internet culture, privacy, and the dangers of clout-chasing.

  “You put it on the Internet—you are now, like, doxxing this man's life.” (P, [34:03])

• Mark offers a measured analysis:

  “What the evidence showed from further investigation is that that's not what happened…there were at least two or three things that she said he did that didn't happen, which…changes everything.” (MLH, [35:09])

• The hosts critique gig app practices and recount issues with Uber and food delivery, stressing:

  “Just in case…pole up. You don’t know what type of time motherfuckers is on.” (J, [40:19])

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Summer Walker Album Deep Dive & Music Rollouts

[41:12 – 56:17]

• Joe, Parks, and the group revisit Summer Walker’s new album sales and critical reception after multiple listens.

  “Now I totally understand why this album, for me, wasn’t what it was supposed to be.” (J, [45:35])

• Discussion about the lack of rollout, single choices, and introverted artists:

  “I just didn’t hear a lot about the release. I don’t think they pay for marketing promotion anymore.” (P, [42:08])

• Group reflects on why artists like Summer Walker or Wale may struggle to expand beyond a core fanbase, and how marketing and creative shifts are sometimes mishandled.
• Notable exchange:

  “There’s nothing on here…that matches the album title or the tone of any of the albums that have come before. Again, I challenge you to tell me where she is finally over it…” (J, [56:01])

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Roc Nation Distribution Controversy & The Indie vs Major Debate

[88:08 – 98:58]

• Mark raises the question: Why is Roc Nation’s new 85/15 distribution split a big deal?

  “It was launched as this big victory for independent artists…but…couldn’t get why it was supposed to be such a big deal.” (MLH, [88:08])

• Parks and Joe criticize the economics:

  “Fixed fees protect artists. Percentages drain artists.” (Russ, [92:47], as read by J)

• General skepticism about whether these platforms provide real value and if artists are chasing visibility over actual earnings.

  “They want to go to the Roc Nation brunch…to the building…the Roc Nation offices that are beautiful.” (J, [94:24])

• Broader conversation on artist aspirations, major label vs. independence, and the changing information landscape for young musicians.
• Mark:

  “I think a lot of times just attaching yourself to a brand for sure…makes you…feel like you’re a certain caliber. And it can be valuable.” (MLH, [105:50])

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Ray J vs. Mario Show Etiquette

[64:25 – 74:44]

• Ray J airs grievances on Instagram, feeling disrespected for not being given stage time at Mario & Wale’s show.
  • “Your show was weak as tonight in your own hometown…you don’t know how to be a real [artist]…” (Ray J, [65:22])
• The crew debates proper concert etiquette, guest expectations, and “big artist” privilege.

  “It matters none if I have a set and I have an album out…I’m not stopping my set…” (J, [68:37])

• Conclusion: Ray J’s expectations are out of pocket, and the incident is more performative than real.

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Tory Lanez & Tekashi 6ix9ine: Snitching, Jail, and Street Code

[122:10 – 128:12; 106:27 – 114:12]

• Updates on legal woes for both Tory Lanez (refusing to answer deposition questions) and Tekashi 6ix9ine (his mom held at gunpoint during a home invasion).
• Crew debates whether snitching would even help Tory and the real meaning of street credibility.

  “If a girl and not ratting got you where you at, I would be at the edge of the bed waiting to rat…” (J, [126:07])

• Empathy shown to Tekashi’s mother:

  “You invited the devil to your home, and the devil came…let you know, nigga.” (E, [113:49])

• Reflection on “ethics” and how street codes have shifted in 2025:

  “The bad part is you don’t know what set of rules they play by until you’re in the situation.” (J, [112:34])

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Music & Culture: Congratulating Pusha T, OJ’s Estate, Hot Cheetos, and More

[75:25 – 144:40]

• Crew congratulates Pusha T on his growing family.
• Discuss the internet backlash for Pusha’s “deadbeat” joke in his baby announcement post, with the hosts upholding the importance of respecting private dynamics.
• Debate on the O.J. Simpson estate and decades-old civil suit drama.
• Announcement that Hot Cheetos will no longer be artificially red, leading to a hilarious food tangent.
• “Disabled baddies” segment: The group rib Ice about his Instagram follows, defending inclusion (“Don’t kink-shame up here”).

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Sports: Draymond Green vs. Angel Reese Fan Insult

[167:04 – 169:17]

• Draymond Green gets heckled by a fan calling him “Angel Reese,” responds by involving the refs.
• Crew decides it’s a “good insult” but not crossing the line—far from the worst things shouted at NBA games.

  “They would be calling Allen Iverson a jailbird…Ask NBA players what they were called in Utah or Boston.” (E, [168:41])

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Notable Quotes & One-Liners

• On Indie vs Major:

  “This is the first time in history where all of the information has been laid out on a table and people are actively choosing.” (J, [98:17])

• On the Roc Nation platform:

  “Fixed fees protect artists, percentages drain artists.” (Russ via Joe, [92:47])

• On the DoorDash case:

  “You put it on the Internet—you are now, like, doxxing this man's life.” (Parks, [34:03])

• On artist growth and fanbases:

  “You can't alienate your core and just do that.” (J, [53:25])

• Joking with Ish:

  “Are you working on it? Are you working on it? …I need to hear more for my vote.” (J & QF, [155:55-146:02])

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• Wardrobe Roasting, Ice’s Beard Dye: [00:27 – 07:05]
• Ish’s Turkey Drive & Political Banter: [22:01 – 27:50], [145:01 – 160:00]
• DoorDash Viral Incident: [30:01 – 38:50]
• Summer Walker Album Deep Dive: [41:12 – 56:17]
• Roc Nation Distribution Discussion: [88:08 – 98:58]
• Ray J Show Etiquette: [64:25 – 74:44]
• Tory Lanez & Tekashi 6ix9ine Legal Drama: [122:10 – 128:12], [106:27 – 114:12]
• Pusha T Family Congrats: [75:25]
• OJ Simpson Estate Drama: [134:12 – 144:40]
• Hot Cheetos, Ramen, Food Tangents: [146:10 – 149:55]
• Draymond Green/Angel Reese NBA Insult: [167:04 – 169:17]
• Disabled Baddies Segment: [172:12 – 174:58]

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Summary & Takeaway

Episode 879 of The Joe Budden Podcast is a classic blend of humor, cultural critique, and music industry savvy—punctuated by regular reminders not to take themselves (or each other) too seriously. Musical commentary is forward-thinking, with the crew calling out industry hypocrisy, failed marketing strategies, and the tension between business and artistry. Side stories about charitable giving, street code, and politics keep the vibe current and relatable; the “Vote for Twan!” arc weaves playful disruption throughout. The show remains a unique hub for raw, authentic barbershop conversation and insightful music debate.

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“Life is a series of moments, and moments pass. Let’s make this one last as if it’s all we have.” (J, [178:43])
—Joe’s closing mantra, capping a wide-ranging and laughter-packed episode.

Transcript

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The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[B]

No, no, but what.

[A]

See, and that's how it.

[B]

And he always does this at the top.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

We're not gonna let him do it.

[A]

It's a strict. It is a trick for the Joe Button podcast to start with some flip.

[D]

We ain't with flip.

[A]

But no, but it's hard not to when like I don't like I almost punched you in the face just now before the game.

[D]

We always do that same before the camera. Go on. It's right, cuz.

[A]

You talk to me like I'm Junior or some.

[D]

I talk to Junior like that. He too strong.

[A]

Oh, I'm not.

[D]

What's up, baby?

[A]

I'm happy to see you. I miss you, man.

[B]

We audience.

[A]

We around, man.

[E]

What's up?

[A]

What's up?

[E]

What's up?

[B]

What's popping in? What's popping in here?

[D]

My freeze. I got. I got a highlight freeze. My got the. Speaking of highlight, he got the. The ill beard died this time. He bodied it. I've been watching this all day. He put the brown with the black.

[A]

So stupid.

[D]

He threw it off. How you did that? I'm like, how the. He where the gray with it just turned brown. I thought this.

[C]

He got the good this time though.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Swimming than that.

[D]

Yeah. He got the head up.

[B]

Oh y. I had no idea that's what he was talking.

[E]

I knew what he was talking about.

[D]

I know.

[E]

I know Flip. So I do.

[D]

What did my mom try to get? I don't know cuz I talked about.

[B]

But you hear stupid me. I I'm complimenting ice earlier told my ice you got n shape up today.

[D]

I'm looking.

[B]

I'm looking right at him.

[D]

And what I said, here's a little look. Flip said. I said, give me a second. I thought you caught on. Look at it.

[E]

I peep game this.

[D]

He bodied it.

[E]

I'll tell you what happened.

[B]

If you really care.

[D]

He flipped it on. I gotta know why we care.

[E]

Last time it was when Keno was here Friday. He was like, yo, I got you something.

[D]

Try this. Oh, he did give you that box pause.

[E]

He gave me the box paws.

[D]

It looked good, bro.

[E]

So I went. I tried it. I looked it up and I was like, oh, it's all natural. I'll try it. If I don't like it, whatever.

[D]

That look good.

[E]

I fuck with it, though.

[D]

You did it yourself, huh? You did it yourself? You brought the equipment to your barber?

[E]

No, no, no. I did that and then had my.

[A]

Barber do the shit off. Yeah. Got you.

[E]

Nah, it's literally just shampoo.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[E]

It looks fine.

[D]

It blended with your. It's blended? Yeah, it's like, blended with your skin. It's a flake shit. Like, it's like.

[E]

He gave me some fire shit, so I was like, yeah, I'll try it. I said, hey, what's the worst could happen? I don't like it.

[B]

But why you just don't, like, use your face?

[E]

I just said I do that, and in times, I do that.

[D]

But that one's not bad, though.

[B]

Cause there's still some grays.

[D]

Not bad at all.

[B]

This one ain't like that shoe polish.

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

This ain't that.

[B]

This a. Like, this ain't the J.

[A]

Brown. Yeah, I. I don't know what was happening before.

[E]

There's a story behind that. I just never told it.

[A]

But, no, we. I know it by guessing, by hearing.

[B]

The story that you said it was. I figured out the story it was.

[A]

No, you didn't. I think.

[E]

Yeah, well, you're wrong.

[A]

You look good, though.

[B]

You do look like you, Freeze, but.

[A]

You look like money a little bit.

[B]

I ain't just saying, like, I a sound like Mr. Khakis.

[C]

The khakis are very formal.

[B]

You got the Olympic Iverson on from.

[A]

When he won a championship in Memphis or something that don't exist.

[B]

The khaki game. You crushing.

[D]

I'm chilling.

[B]

You crushing.

[E]

You ain't got to start on me.

[D]

You lost weight, Freeze.

[E]

I am down 11 pounds.

[A]

And I ain't.

[B]

So y' all out there calling me Belly Belly D. Williams. Oh, back to you, Freeze.

[D]

We wanted to make fun of him at that walking he had, but that working.

[A]

Freeze got the shade.

[C]

Oh, he has a little under the bed trap.

[A]

He got the shades on.

[E]

Say what y' all want, man.

[B]

Ooh, newer couch.

[A]

Newer couch.

[D]

Hold on. Chill, chill, chill.

[B]

Khaki versus. Oh, shit.

[A]

Newer couch.

[B]

Khaki versus olive.

[C]

Or the khaki.

[A]

Look at my nigga.

[B]

She ain't about to lose.

[D]

Look at the ish.

[E]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Tell the market.

[D]

Starting school. So look, he tried to go home. Got the ball collection, and that's that dish.

[B]

Look at this.

[A]

You go.

[B]

You going back to the McDonald's. I slap you, you going back to the McDonald's.

[E]

You got that back to school collection.

[D]

McDonald's?

[E]

I don't even know.

[B]

He going back to the McDonald's by the school. We out.

[D]

Y. Oh, stop, stop.

[B]

Yo, stop.

[A]

Don't do that.

[E]

Don't even know what that.

[B]

He want some.

[D]

Let it go.

[A]

Let it go.

[B]

Take a look at your man look.

[E]

Let it go.

[B]

Cooley High, Harmony Head ass. This look good, though.

[D]

You look good. Ish.

[B]

You know what make him.

[A]

You know.

[B]

You know where you try to still hit the. I'm 42 on the feet.

[D]

Look at the feet.

[B]

With the gray sock on some.

[D]

Yeah, I'm 49. I'm 49 still.

[B]

I'm 49 still. You see me on the sock? This look good.

[D]

Nigga, I fly, dog. You eyeing this shit.

[B]

Mark won't join in on none of the fashion fun.

[D]

Nope. Mark getting the top of this hamper.

[A]

This Mark, yo.

[D]

You're a fool, yo. Oh, man. But they sell them now. That's the issue. Is that the fall collection? I'm not being funny.

[B]

You ain't see it.

[D]

That's what he was talking about.

[C]

He got the polo issues.

[B]

He got the polo. You thought that was back to school?

[E]

It's back to school.

[D]

His own.

[B]

Lady to see it.

[C]

It's Lorraine.

[D]

Yo, you ain't understand. Stop, man.

[E]

With your heart.

[D]

Stop. Yo, get out of here, man.

[E]

Hey, yo. Yo, could you sit down?

[D]

I told you, it's the far collection. Yo, stop, man.

[F]

Hey, yo.

[E]

Get out of here.

[D]

All right.

[E]

All right, Cool.

[A]

All right.

[B]

You see what he did, though?

[A]

You see what he did?

[C]

The right with the red?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Killed it.

[C]

The white. With the white, you got a new watch. And the black with the black.

[E]

That's a new watch.

[B]

We lose two lives.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Be careful.

[E]

N. Look gold. That look rose gold.

[C]

You got the nauticus showing.

[D]

God, that's what I said. He got his own dog.

[C]

I like it.

[E]

I ain't know that.

[C]

Where's my at? You know I'm a rugby dude.

[D]

I got the fall catalog. I ain't get that one.

[E]

That's nice.

[B]

The fall catalog.

[D]

You look nice. You look nice.

[B]

The fall catalog.

[D]

When did that come out yet? He tried to body this shit in school two weeks ago, sitting. I'm surprised your girl let you come outside.

[E]

Realize that black trick, he back to school with business. So I'm going in wearing my shit. I'm doing this.

[B]

What?

[D]

Freeze.

[A]

Cheyenne Bryant taught him how to scale.

[D]

Yeah. Are you a professor? Nah, I'm just a student, Mom. Oh, shit.

[E]

What class you going to?

[A]

Crazy.

[E]

Yo, you a fool.

[D]

You look good.

[B]

With the taper.

[E]

Look at this. Yo, we joking, but that is fire. Thank you, sir.

[D]

Make sure y' all get that.

[B]

That's that eyebrows done on.

[D]

Oh, he got his threaded thread. He got his threaded.

[B]

Pretty Boy Floyd.

[D]

He bringing pretty boys back. Don't disresp man like that. He his eyebrows at the mall. At the mall? You can't live in the mall getting your eyebrows threaded. Ain't nobody going to see me.

[B]

No, you're idiot, bro.

[E]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, man.

[E]

Yo, you're a fool, dog.

[D]

Feels so good to be here. I love you guys.

[A]

Yo.

[B]

Yo, I would have never seen none.

[E]

Of that without you saying that.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just like, yo, these two look good. All right. They call each other in the morning again to figure out what pants you're wearing. These still talking on pod days.

[B]

I only got the dark khakis, though.

[A]

My light one's dirty.

[E]

What you wearing?

[A]

Trying to color coordinate?

[E]

Not at all.

[A]

Kill them on the.

[B]

What y' all gonna do when one.

[A]

Of the young boys run up on. On y' all on the street with the cameras like Fit check.

[B]

Fit check. Got my boy Ish Ice here from the Joe Button podcast. Styling on him.

[A]

Looking.

[B]

Looking crazy out here. Tell them your name, where you from, all right. And what you.

[E]

What you got on? How you.

[B]

How you carrying it? Like, top to bottom.

[E]

What y' all gonna do, fam?

[D]

I'm just asking you, how much is that? How much is that, Ish?

[E]

I'm not gonna do nothing, nigga.

[D]

I'm gonna walk away.

[E]

What?

[D]

Shit, like 130, nigga. 135, 49. Some bullshit.

[B]

I gotta save on the tax audience Ish has on.

[A]

Ish has on his own. But, you know, if you know Ish.

[B]

You know that about him that's in his profile. Like the politician house builder. That's this nigga's profile. You knew he was. He'll wear his own.

[A]

He ain't giving the money to you companies out there. Now, me, on the other hand, my Freeze. All right, we ready, man. Look at Parks.

[B]

What's up, Parks?

[C]

Gentlemen, how you feeling?

[B]

Still unscathed they talking about out here, huh? White boys, they was trying hard. Last white standing.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

You what?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, they tried.

[A]

Yeah, that was a bad reach. It was a bad reach.

[E]

Terrible.

[A]

Oh, man. All right. Happy to be here.

[B]

Happy to be here. All right, fine.

[A]

That was fun. Yeah.

[B]

Let's get started, right?

[A]

That was a lot of fun.

[D]

Yeah, you know.

[E]

I know.

[A]

Freeze, girl. Dress him.

[B]

I can never prove it because she didn't. She has to.

[E]

Do she ever does it.

[B]

She has to.

[E]

She ever makes sense, I'll come clean. What she'll do is we'll be in stores. No, no. We'll be in stores, and I'll be like, damn, I like that. But I don't like the shop for me. So she'll convince me to buy this, like, yo, get that. Get this too. And get that. That's what she'll do. And then I do. But I don't like the shop for me. I'd rather shop for everybody else.

[A]

That's fine. Don't worry.

[D]

You speak from the love's perspective. Are you an ill?

[E]

Nah, just from the what perspective?

[D]

Just love, like, no.

[A]

And I love.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, my girl shot for me. That's true. She convinced me.

[B]

She do.

[D]

My wife don't convince me. Girl, get in the car, Hop. On my own. I like that.

[E]

See, I would like to shop.

[C]

It. Start.

[A]

Not mean to do that, you know.

[D]

Let's get to it.

[E]

Yeah, it's a better no.

[B]

Get out of here, huh?

[A]

All right, we here. Hey.

[D]

Press message so we can see who that was. Yeah, so we can see that. I know that trick. Press message to see if there's a threat. Let me see.

[A]

It's not a threat.

[D]

Crazy. I know that number. Save trick.

[B]

I didn't save it.

[D]

Press message. Let's see.

[E]

Yo, this.

[D]

This bill collector won't leave me alone, be texting me crazy.

[B]

This is spam.

[D]

Okay, okay.

[C]

You good?

[D]

He came up green. He's safe. He's safe, he's safe.

[A]

No, first of all, I don't cheat. Second of all, if I did, it would be the cheating with very little talking. It wouldn't be the fuck you talk about. Now. Some other people.

[D]

Hey, watch yourself.

[B]

Now, some others out there do it different. I used to do it that way. Let me hire him.

[D]

In plain sight.

[B]

You'll never think it's my personal assistant.

[D]

The chef.

[B]

Then there's those titles, those job titles.

[A]

We can't have that to office it.

[D]

Chief of staff.

[C]

Staff manager.

[D]

Yeah, a human resource.

[A]

Would your wife let y' all hire the. The super fine nanny?

[E]

I don't remember.

[C]

We all got kids, so.

[D]

Absolutely not.

[C]

I'm guessing.

[E]

I think so.

[D]

Absolutely not. Our nanny?

[E]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

No. No.

[E]

For me, it's just a straight up. I ain't gonna hold you.

[D]

Even if she doesn't.

[E]

I wouldn't give a try. You don't trust yourself? No, I Just don't want the conflict potentially in my house, you know, you.

[D]

Can'T get that off, so there ain't no point.

[E]

You troubleshoot the problem before it even happens. There you go.

[B]

Yeah, I'm good.

[E]

I won't even try. Like. Yeah, I'm cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

How about you?

[A]

I never said no. She wouldn't have.

[E]

What's the middle ground?

[A]

Tray Ball. With a nanny, though, and you get to still be with your. Your. Your wife. The nanny go put the kid to sleep, then come put y' all to sleep.

[E]

Tricky, though.

[B]

I would pitch it tricky.

[D]

I would pitch it tricky.

[A]

Tricky.

[B]

But I don't. And I don't see success.

[C]

Might as well get a sister.

[E]

Nanny might have that magnesium. Not just that.

[B]

What?

[E]

Danny might have an agenda.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Get tricky now. It's employment involved. Oh.

[A]

Oh, that's that.

[C]

You must end up like Smokey.

[B]

Joey Robinson.

[A]

You put that smart. Nigga could die. Boy.

[D]

That.

[B]

He sounds smarter than ever. He put that die. You put that die. Plus in. This going to go through your pores and affect your frontal whatever the. No.

[A]

That sound like a genius.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Yo, Booger Houser over there.

[A]

All right, all right.

[B]

Come on, let's go.

[D]

Let's get it.

[A]

Let's get it.

[D]

Hey.

[B]

God damn it. I'm Rusty. I'm Rusty. Mic Shack.

[A]

Mic Check.

[D]

Mic Shack. Fuck is going on out there. Really? Only heaven knows my heart.

[B]

Best broadcast in the world. Best crew in the world. Best fans in the. Best fans in the world.

[D]

Stop playing with us. All. Wait for the ladies. All the way for the ladies.

[F]

Sean Carter was born Dec. 4, weighing.

[B]

In at 10 pounds, 8 ounces.

[F]

He was the last of my four.

[B]

Children, the only one who didn't give me any pain.

[D]

Shout out to the real niggas all over the world.

[B]

That's how I knew that he was a special child. Shout out to everybody Harlem.

[D]

Hey, you know what I mean? Shout out to my cousins and all that the Carolinas.

[B]

What up?

[D]

What up, Beau?

[A]

What up, Virginia?

[B]

What up, Flora?

[D]

What up? You say they never really miss you till you dead or you gone. So on that note, I'm leaving after the song so you ain't got to feel no way about Jay so long. At least let me tell you why I'm this way by Gloria Carter and Agnes Reeves, who made love on them sycamore tree, which makes me a more sicker in. You see, my mama would clean ten pounds when I was born I didn't give her no pain.

[B]

So happy to be here with y', all, man. Y' all could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with us.

[D]

I made it for birth when I got here she knows my purpose wasn't shout to all the parents out there listening Scratching the surface Cuz was buried under There was a kid torn apart once his pop disappeared I went to school, got good grades could behave when I wanted But I had demons deep inside that would raise me Confronted and sorry yes, sorry yes. Yep.

[B]

Sorry about that.

[D]

Welcome to the Jay Z strike dancer. Just blazing the Blaze Championship player Paul Patterson. Right now I want you to get a drum down to but say no ma really ego get a drum. Whoa. Touch the untouchable Break the unbreakable Shake.

[B]

The unshakable.

[D]

Shout out to everybody that was outside when this was going on Shout out to the scammers the doughboys and the carjackers Wiggins are standing on the giant shoulder can see much further than the giant so I got the whole rap world on my shoulder they trying to see further than I am and I have been trying to be patient with a preoccupation with David and Goliath but sooner or later that patience gonna run this cost and I'm forced to go with me there to go with me and Tyron coming through environment I am gas I am back with the team no I got. The 9 to 5 is entrepreneurs it's the gangster team Stop your run One of the reasons that they call us gang green the other reason we got a game Green if it's better at getting cheddar that remains to be seen. Untouchable break the unbreakable My job is.

[B]

Done on the intro I've done all I can do on the intro.

[D]

I'm so far ahead of my time about to start another light look behind you I'm about to pass you twice.

[A]

Back to the future Got a slow I put a present I'm fast can't.

[B]

Get past my past I already proposed.

[A]

A deal with with oh, man.

[E]

It's almost criminal to cut that verse off.

[B]

I get it. Shout out to hov we are going to talk about Rock nation but y there nothing personal to you that's why you no I love you new Jo Ne.

[D]

That's why that's why he played it for you. He played it to hold Yo.

[B]

Hey, look, I'm still here.

[A]

I'm still here.

[B]

Good. But I got to I got a job to.

[E]

Who was that?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Dude. Flip.

[D]

Flip.

[C]

Flip.

[A]

Flip.

[D]

Old Flip. I'm back.

[C]

Flip. Okay, Old Flip.

[D]

I feel that you played it and the song collection you bigged up. Jay Z. Yo, Sean Carter. Yo. I'm acknowledging how great you are, even though I'm about to, you know, talk about rock nature, you know what I'm saying? Can't touch the untouchable. I like that, Joe. I like, like. I like how you talk to people through music.

[B]

Yo.

[D]

I love it. Give me power, man. Smart. I gotta take.

[A]

I appreciate that.

[D]

I would have just went off Jay Z. Hey, Rock Nation, you distribute. I would have went off the.

[A]

I would have went.

[D]

I would have got a call for you.

[B]

Smooth it out for Smoothie Smart. I mean, that wasn't on purpose.

[D]

Okay. You know, but it helps.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It could.

[A]

Can't hurt. Can't hurt.

[B]

What episode is this?

[C]

879.

[B]

Welcome to episode 879 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled By Power by Prize Picks, Prize Pitch Gang.

[E]

You.

[B]

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful gracious.

[A]

Really happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people.

[B]

Best crew in the world.

[A]

To my right. Y' all know the vibes. Queens get the money. Queens flip in the building next to him. Our good brother Dr. Dark. Lamont Hill in the building. He ain't been mark up here in a while. Next to him.

[B]

Stop playing with him, man.

[A]

Mr. Thousand Doors and better stop playing King Wawa. Big Antoine Issues in the building.

[B]

Stop playing with him.

[A]

Next to him. Come on, man.

[B]

Come on, man.

[A]

Come on, man.

[D]

Touch the untouchable. Breakable.

[B]

Y' all know what time is the.

[A]

Freeziest of them all. Big Freeze is here, man. Freeze, baby, with the motherfucking shades on. Elmira's finest fucking. Big Parks is here.

[B]

Po is here.

[A]

Po Almost wore some Evizu jeans to work. We are gonna talk about that later.

[B]

Big Corey is here.

[A]

Got a big day coming next week. And I ain't heard too much about.

[B]

The new little girlfriend.

[A]

I ain't heard too much.

[E]

Nah, not already.

[B]

Don't worry, she's still around.

[A]

We'll be in the dream. The gym tomorrow. We'll figure it out. Big Erickson is in the back.

[B]

Tanner Sanner here by remote.

[A]

Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. Shout out to y', all, if you are not subscribed to the Patreon, now would be a good time to do so. Other than that, how's everybody doing? How's everybody feeling? What's popping?

[C]

Excellent.

[D]

Great, excellent.

[E]

Great, man.

[A]

Good to see all y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

Everybody look like they had a really good weekend.

[B]

Everybody looks well rested.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Facts, y' all look like y' all put some cologne on. Looking good, looking good. Anybody do anything fun this weekend?

[C]

I was outside for a little bit, but nothing too exciting. Yeah, just a little bar hopping. Local bar hopping.

[A]

Not mad at that. Local.

[C]

Yeah, kept it local.

[D]

Set himself up all the time for this. Yo, nigga, we ain't do this weekend, bro. That's it. We ain't do nothing.

[A]

Well, that's not true, actually.

[D]

Well, I was arrested, so. Huh?

[A]

Huh?

[D]

Yeah, so you did arrest. I feel like you did something then. So I want to get into that later on. I don't want to make it about flip, but I was arrested. Missed a commercial, at a commercial. Shout out to Nigel Sylvester. I missed the whole commercial that I was a part of a TV commercial. Cause I was arrested. And to call back, I was saying to myself, I don't want to say what wasn't meant for me. Whatever. That line we remember. I said, I don't want to say that line. I gotta take accountability.

[C]

We have to have an intervention.

[B]

Huh?

[C]

Do we have to have an intervention?

[A]

No.

[B]

Hell no.

[E]

No.

[D]

My wife said that. I flipped on her. I said, no, you can't say it. I put myself for this position. You can't say, oh, maybe the commercial wasn't meant for you. No, that's not true. I rode around my license plate off. I knew there was something in the jersey. That's it. No, not jersey. No, in New York. But remember when I came in with my finger cut that time?

[E]

Remember?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, the incident. My brother loaned me to the police, so that's what it was. So they put something called a I card out. Is that like a warrant? Yeah, I card is a warrant. One is for investigation, one is for arrest. And when they saw who I was, they just upped it. But everything is taken care. I'll talk about it later on Patreon.

[C]

Okay?

[D]

You know what I mean? I think that's. I think real quick, Joe, I know I don't want to take up. I just think that I called Is dangerous. Anyone could go to the precinct and just say something about you. And then they put an I card out for your arrest. I think that's very reckless of the system. I think it's an abuse of the system and I think it's word.

[E]

It's dumb.

[D]

But the thing that the I card was about. Did you do it? I did it, but the story was twisted. Got it? Yeah, got it. Got it. The story was twisted then that's messed up. I think it's very dangerous. But other Than that, man.

[B]

I told my wife to see up, right?

[A]

I have a different take.

[D]

I mean, what's your take? I didn't know what else to say. I didn't think people.

[B]

Hey, that shouldn't happen.

[D]

People think we got beef. L. That wasn't the moment. I try to support my man, you know, that's up. If I. If I go to the.

[B]

Defund the cops.

[D]

No, no, no. Not defund them, but if I go. If I go. If I go to the precinct and I say. Say me and you get into a scuffle, you get the best of me. But I. I pushed you first. Legit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just say, yo, Mark Lamont Hill pushed me and I dislocated my shoulder. I'm leaving important details. And they put out a warrant for your arrest. I got you. The icard is supposed to be. It's two types. One for investigation and one for arrest. They went straight up to the arrest.

[A]

Well, we can talk about that on our America's Most Wanted segment.

[D]

Yeah, let's do it. See, this is why I wanna sit down. You suck ass, nigga. Sorry.

[B]

You crazy ass nigga. I was bringing this up to highlight.

[A]

The positive that Ish did in the hood with the turkey dry.

[E]

Come on.

[D]

Turkey drive. You do the turkey drive?

[C]

Come on, man. I just seen it on the gram.

[D]

Why you ain't tell nobody? Why you ain't tell me? I don't want to deal with you right now. I swear to God. Violates you. Yo, why you.

[E]

What's wrong with you?

[D]

I get.

[A]

Yeah, you.

[D]

Look at that water. Ish, man.

[C]

I got some turkey.

[D]

You know, I would have showed up.

[B]

Why you ain't.

[E]

I mean, it wasn't.

[D]

Was it just for, like, drug dealers and like, you know, that is what.

[E]

The drug dealers do.

[D]

No, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know if it was like a reformed drug dealer thing. How you know that? Nigga give it to.

[E]

Yo, this nigga's a nutcase.

[D]

I hate that you do that.

[C]

Yo, it was on the gram.

[A]

It's on the cigarette.

[D]

It was?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Beforehand or afterward?

[C]

Just now.

[E]

Oh, no, it was a. My people's. One of the contributors tagged me. No, we had a turkey drive in Newark. All over Newark. All of the wards. Ras Baraka. Shout out to Roz and Mitty, Faith Evans, myself, a couple people.

[D]

You Raz Baraka and Faith. You spoke to Faith?

[E]

Niggas play so much.

[D]

I just feel like. Remember on Sesame street, like one of these. Yo, yo, that's me. Trench. Raspberry face. One of these kids. Idiot.

[B]

It's fire, though.

[E]

I ain't. I ain't got no.

[A]

Me either.

[C]

I didn't.

[D]

I didn't bring it up.

[B]

I thought it was a.

[E]

A great turnout.

[D]

Let me see.

[E]

Was crowded.

[A]

This.

[D]

This is.

[E]

This is. Where was this at?

[B]

Week wake.

[E]

But they did it at a bunch of different high schools around the city. That one that I participated in was at week Wake, but. Yeah.

[D]

How many turkeys y' all give on shout?

[E]

You said it, bro. It was thousands and thousands and thousands of people there, though.

[D]

That's what's up.

[E]

I'm gonna keep it a buck. I'm kind of. You know. I said, why you ain't hit us up? I'm kind of glad you didn't. That was a lot of there.

[D]

What's up?

[E]

Nah, it was a lot of. They gave away so much food, bro. It was crazy. And again, they ran out like they had thousands of turkeys. My nigga ran out.

[D]

Is this just like first step?

[A]

It was some fine turkeyless chicks to you.

[D]

Is this your first step into.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

What they.

[B]

What they was looking like?

[A]

Turkey list joints was looking like they was all right and they needed help.

[C]

Look at the perks of charity. I walk you.

[D]

I walk you to your car, ma'. Am.

[B]

They got a car.

[D]

Your cart. Hey, I hope you push it down the block of the project.

[B]

Which building you in?

[E]

Yeah, n. She got to walk up, too. Now this a fool, y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

Okay, you on the road to a politician. I see you. That's how it start. That's how it start.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[D]

You seen.

[E]

That's what he doing.

[D]

Clean that money. First you clean that money. Then you get your rep, right? Hey, I see what he doing. I see what he doing. I see what I saw. New Jack City. Yeah. You become a politician and watch what we do to you. And you better still come to work, too. I dare you. Try to become a politician and do like some. Some mayor's office podcast in Newark. They'll you up.

[A]

You think if Ish was a politician, he'd get you out? Yes, Mark. You think so?

[C]

Get that I card.

[D]

I think he would. Yeah. I think it should.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's throwing the I card out fast.

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

He would have so much. Not fast.

[E]

Only because you procrastinate.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. Nah, never.

[E]

I'm procrastinate. I'm gonna make the call. I'm gonna make.

[B]

What do you do?

[A]

Fast.

[B]

Except for that one thing Come fast.

[D]

What else? I don'.

[E]

Why you mean that?

[D]

My leg.

[E]

That man, why you move, girl?

[D]

Sorry. Why? Why you move so quick? A fool. Yo, would you get out fast? No, you don't get out say, I would even call him.

[A]

Whack.

[D]

Yo, you know your man got it. He got a chance to do it. You have no prize. He going to leave you with it. You got to sit for a little bit.

[A]

Now, once you go, I'll put something on the books. I'll send something in there. So you all right? So you get all the tablets you want?

[E]

All the what?

[A]

Tablets. You get all the posters you need, dog.

[D]

How many tablets you need?

[A]

Huh?

[D]

How many tablets?

[A]

Or you might have to pay some off. Or you could do what y' all did.

[E]

What's that, y' all who stop for walk?

[B]

We can do what y' all and join.

[D]

Who y'? All.

[B]

Who is you and I.

[E]

So then how did y' all get it in? Get in.

[B]

Get in where?

[D]

I'm giving you God's word. I met them say no hustle.

[B]

Why they be fronting at least? Marco Moore, he dead ass.

[D]

He was in a cult. I seen y' all in the meetings.

[E]

Muslim. I'm not Muslim.

[B]

And Mona and Park and y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

This niggas ate a whole pork sandwich.

[E]

Ate a bacon, egg and cheese.

[D]

No, that I don't eat cheese. No.

[A]

I see a on one of them little wilderness cooking in on Instagram, she's that cooked a ostrich.

[C]

Ostrich is good.

[B]

Hey, yo, ostrich is good.

[C]

He cook is amazing.

[E]

He cooked it on the rock.

[C]

Yeah, it's like red meat, but a bird.

[D]

Hey, yo, Parks, they try to steak.

[A]

I was like, dog, anything that you need a tractor trailer to cook, like, you just don't need to cook it.

[D]

At vsu, they try to offer me bear bear meat. And they said. I'm like, you ain't beer meat, boo.

[E]

No, I said I would. I'll try it.

[A]

If I'm out.

[E]

If I'm out there where I know, niggas get busy. They know what they doing.

[C]

Actually, I think I did have beer one time. I don't think it was very good.

[A]

Y' all just be putting.

[B]

Y' all just eating ass.

[D]

Well, that's a little bit different.

[A]

And you think ass is dirty?

[B]

The beer probably. We back to this over here again.

[D]

Honorary knife member.

[B]

What's smokey over there now the beer's ass is cleaning this. Oh, why I go, all right, all right. So they finally arrested that Door Dash freak. That creep they put an I card.

[C]

On her peeping time.

[D]

Two felonies. Really?

[E]

Felonies.

[D]

Charged with two felonies. Yes. Joe, you about to pull it up.

[A]

I'm about to pull it up, but.

[C]

Yeah, good for her. Yeah. Get this heathen off the streets.

[A]

Yeah. Get this thug. Now.

[B]

Food can be delivered properly.

[D]

Wait, Mark, you keep.

[E]

Can be seen.

[B]

Wait, Mark. Wait, Mark.

[D]

On the other side, I'm going. Let y' all do your thing. I say what I say. I say what I think. Later, brother. Mark, please. She ain't black. She ain't black. I don't see race. Don't you know that about me? Don't believe that, sister. You can't get in. Let me see your skin.

[E]

Oh, no.

[D]

Let me see your skin. He can't get into this one.

[E]

No.

[B]

I think it's terrible. Door Dash delivery girl been arrested.

[A]

Two felony charges after filming a man passed out. Out in his home with his pants down during a food delivery and posting the video on TikTok.

[B]

See, see, the first couple of segments.

[A]

On this part is just about how the Internet need to shut the fuck up and mind your business sometimes. Y' all believe everything that is published. Adults come and try to tell y' all shit. Y' all come with all your human.

[B]

Rights and we know the law. We was born in 2002 and we've read up on this and we're gonna change the world.

[D]

And.

[B]

And all of y' all was living wrong.

[C]

I'm here for some of that, but.

[B]

No, me too, but not in some instances.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And this Door Dash incident is one of those.

[A]

I'm going to play the clip from.

[B]

This heathen of a clout chaser.

[A]

Let's see here. Where's the sound here?

[D]

Is there any sound on this one?

[C]

Something to do.

[G]

Hey, guys. So DoorDash just deactivated me two days after I reported my sexual assault.

[C]

It's not sexual assault.

[G]

Hey, guys. I just lost my job and they won't tell me why. I. They're supposed to send an email immediately after deactivation, providing you the reason why and a link to appeal, and they didn't. So I contacted support and they made me sit on the phone with them for 50 minutes just to tell me that they can't tell me the reason why, and I have to just go ahead and appeal without knowing why. So my chances of getting my account back. They have my money in that account. They just fired me.

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

The police are doing nothing.

[B]

I lost my job. Internet. That was my only way to make money. This is with whom you chose to place your face.

[G]

I was a victim of SA by a Door Dash customer.

[C]

Actually I feel like she essayed him.

[G]

But excuse me if you've already seen this. This is my third time posting this because Tik Tok keeps silencing me and taking my videos down and giving me.

[C]

Strike posting all the trigger Right now.

[G]

My account is going to be banned so I'm going to try to word this as chill as possible to avoid getting this video striked.

[A]

Look at Mark Want to go donate.

[G]

To her the Door Dash customer requested.

[A]

We know when I arrived at the.

[D]

Front door Front door was they were.

[G]

Sleeping on the couch within eyesight of the front door with their pants and underwear pulled down to their ankles and they were indecently exposed to me. I got this on video and I'm not even going to be posting the video clip anymore because I'm pretty sure that's what's getting me the strikes.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Dobby Stupid.

[A]

We We've heard enough.

[C]

That gives me a headache here.

[E]

What this is wp.

[C]

Wps More people.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And entitlement all rolled up in one.

[D]

I think it's more than that.

[E]

You went to somebody's house that was asleep. Asleep. She said he was asleep.

[D]

She did of course drop the food.

[E]

Off and go about your merry way like like he indicated on the is you talking about you pulled your phone out and started recording somebody true in the comfort of their own home while they're asleep.

[C]

And published it is really the put.

[E]

It out on the Internet.

[C]

If you wanted to keep that as like a evidence of him being inappropriate cool. But when you put it on the Internet you are now let's go box I agree with this man's life. Like you were assaulting him him and.

[D]

You dox and you doxed him and you doxed him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I couldn't believe that the Internet was when this story came out because of the part that she had published to the Internet. They were saying that because he ordered the food and was naked on his couch and left the instructions please walk up to the door and drop the food that he was some type of doordash delivery pervert that was getting off.

[B]

On see sometimes and when and when somebody would have brain me says that.

[A]

Just don't sound all the way right. Y' all come and kill boy. Did they they was all about that.

[E]

Let's say he was don't feed into it. I'm gonna drop your food off and I'm gonna get in my car and leave so.

[B]

Well, if you're a serial jerker, offer, then arrest him.

[C]

I'm not mad at her getting the footage. Keep that, but don't put it.

[B]

Don't put it on the Internet.

[D]

My position at the time was that was based on her account. And we said at the time, like, investigate to find out what the truth is, but. Based on her account. Yeah. If I order food and I show up to your door and I asked her how y' all feel? If y' all kids does that. Know some of our kids. You know what I mean? If I walk up to the door and it says, leave the food to door, but when I get to the door, I can't help but see you butt naked on the couch. That's not. And the door is wide open. That's not okay. But what the evidence showed from further investigation is that that's not what happened. That the ring camera showed that he didn't encourage her to come up. That he wasn't, like, purposely indecent. Like, there were at least two or three things that she said he did that didn't happen, which, to me, changes everything. But even if she was telling the truth, you still shouldn't post somebody naked on the well.

[A]

And apparently he submitted longer video to the police. And his video. Cause he has all the footage shows her entering his home, which is also like.

[E]

And that's what initially. That's what I said originally was like, yo. So what I read was she pushed the door open and ended all of that. And it was like, no, the door was wide open.

[D]

And because she was saying something different.

[C]

Yeah, there's also. The door could have been blown open by the wind, or it could be an old, creaky door.

[E]

If I'm a woman and you're not. I feel uncomfortable, despite the thread look. And I feel uncomfortable. My. I'mma sit the food on the ground and tall ass. If I see you inside naked and I feel uncomfortable, there's no way I'm entering your home.

[D]

Home. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

That just adds to the. I'm gonna put your food damn near on the step and haul ass away. And I might even tell Uber Eats, yo, I don't want to deliver there anymore. You get what I'm saying?

[D]

Anything.

[E]

So I'm not gonna take this and run with it.

[A]

One star for you.

[C]

Yeah, right?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I have bad yelps. Bad yelps on the way.

[A]

Yeah, for me, it was just. Listen, I'm sure that there are some.

[B]

Perverts out there that do Pervert.

[D]

I'm sure.

[A]

Sure I don't discount that.

[B]

More likely to me is because I.

[A]

Do it all the time, is I.

[B]

Order food and fall asleep.

[C]

Facts.

[E]

And have got a quick beat and fell asleep.

[A]

And if y' all really want to.

[B]

Judge me, I wake up the next morning and take a bite. Oh, you disgusting.

[A]

You're disgusting.

[B]

Hey, the next morning, I'mma taste what.

[A]

It could have been, boss is you talking about.

[B]

Anyway, the streets are safer. They got the lady off the streets.

[D]

Thank God y' all wanted to get two felonies though, no? Yeah, that's the part I was saying I don't want to get.

[C]

You think that she's gonna actually get served with the shit?

[E]

You hear the entitlement in her voice.

[C]

This is just a scare.

[E]

A scare.

[B]

They fire me.

[D]

Not with doxxing, though. Doxing is very serious.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

No, I'm saying I think that the. The charges are just gonna. I think she'll get nothing. A slap on the wrist at best.

[D]

And I think she got some mental health issues.

[C]

That's possible based on this video.

[D]

That video made me feel. Oh, you crazy.

[A]

I agree.

[D]

When I heard that. That scream just. I was like, oh, you crazy.

[C]

Screaming your phone to that man.

[E]

And to answer your question, yes, I do want her to get those. Because now you got to send a message to anybody else that try to catch a situation like that. Stop posting motherfuckers along and I don't know.

[A]

Doordash and Uber eats and Uber's policies.

[B]

Policies, policies and training and shit.

[A]

But what I noticed from my consumer.

[B]

POV drive is that that get out as you companies get bigger and need to produce more. Y' all just anybody, anybody to buy the facts.

[E]

It don't even be the person on the.

[C]

Yeah, bro.

[E]

I saw. I saw somebody post a couple weeks ago. They selling accounts. You could buy somebody's Uber account or. Or DoorDash account.

[A]

They sell anything on that Dodge site.

[B]

God damn.

[D]

Like stock.

[E]

That's smart. My. But yeah, five star account. Xyx, whatever.

[D]

That ain't legal though.

[E]

Of course not.

[D]

That's the up. I just want people to know out there so they don't think we endorsing it.

[E]

But yeah, I'm not endorsing.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. As I'm saying that's crazy. And I'd be mad as if somebody did that.

[C]

That's a.

[D]

It's a great look. I love a good hustle. You say you want to not so smart. Do you think a woman show up to your door and it's some six foot Eight. You, you.

[E]

You got my food, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Yo, lead them prize right there. Katie, you talking about. I don't give a.

[C]

Until some stick up kid.

[D]

That's different.

[A]

A little different.

[E]

That's different.

[A]

There was a clip going around not too long ago of this lady Uber driver, where it was two people in the back, black people, of course. I think they asked her if. If she could. Could turn the music down or turn the music on or just something very small. And this lady was spazzing out on them, threatening to call the cops. I'm pulling over. Y' all get out. You're causing me to crash. You're asking me to do two things at once. This video was like, horrible. So the Uber drivers. You Uber eats people.

[E]

They need it. Psychiatric.

[B]

Eva, listen. When you order, order food.

[A]

When you order food. I mean, pole up.

[E]

Hey, just in case.

[B]

Hey. You don't know what type of time motherfuckers is on. Pole up.

[A]

Some lady might be trying to come.

[B]

In, report you to the cops.

[A]

All right?

[B]

I'm bullshin around at least a little.

[C]

Box cutter or something.

[A]

Yeah, something, something.

[B]

The big fork. Get the big fork out of the kitchen.

[D]

Pokey.

[E]

Pokemon.

[B]

What else is important or unimportant?

[D]

Man, there's so much going on. It's so much.

[B]

It's mad. And I want to get that. Every last drop of it was really passionate.

[D]

That was crazy.

[A]

I meant the topics.

[D]

Me.

[A]

Me. He stuck.

[B]

It stuck out. Drop.

[D]

You did a relisten. You told me, but you didn't tell me what you concluded.

[A]

No, I didn't say I did a relisten. I said, let's do a re review. Oh, re.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

A re review. Because it dropped on a Friday. We came in on a Friday. I gave my opinion off one and a half. One and a half listens. So, yeah, quite naturally. And they have a projection, which we were totally off about this way. Projected to do between 59 or 63k.

[D]

Yeah, me ICE had the lower projections.

[A]

I was way.

[D]

Yeah, I had like 100, 125, tops.

[C]

I had 170, I think.

[E]

75 to 200.

[D]

Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna do that high, but it's. It's even lower. And I thought, why? Why is that happening? What do you think that's about?

[B]

Well, that's a good question.

[E]

Question.

[C]

That's a really good question.

[E]

I don't know if I have a good single. Like, I'm. I'm.

[D]

I'm.

[E]

Wow. Did not have a single, right? She did. She did part of a Woman, they.

[C]

Were like a little bit price spread out. It was too far, maybe. I guess you could make that argument.

[D]

I just didn't hear a lot about the release. I didn't hear anything about it outside of, like, talking up here. Like, I didn't really hear much about it. I don't think they pay for marketing promotion anymore.

[C]

Parks, a lot of these albums, they'd be like, yo, what's up with this label? They're not doing.

[D]

Do you think that the artist relies on their Internet too much on the Internet and their fan base, like the core audience to do that?

[C]

Because I think both the labels and the artists think that just posting on your Instagram story is going to get it done. And it's not.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Like, nowadays, it seems like artists will just drop a single. Yeah, right. We see a bunch of artists just dropping one or two songs. That really ain't an indicator no more that an album is coming. So if you put a song out in June, your album might be coming in August. Nobody knows. Cause y' all ain't promote the album. Y' all thought the single was just promotion, but nowadays it's just random singles being given to the fans anyway. So it's a little throw off, a little.

[D]

It's lazy. There's not much rollout. There's not much rollout.

[E]

That's what I'm saying now. It's like, even with Summer, we got the letter with the table one, table two, table three, all of that camera three, four days before the album.

[C]

That's cute little Instagram shit, by the way.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

But I'm just saying there's no.

[C]

That's not marketing.

[E]

Yeah, there's no marketing now.

[B]

It's.

[E]

It's after the album drop. Marketing. We got. We got a record over here.

[B]

Let's go. What.

[D]

What would solid marketing look like? And I know Summer sometimes doesn't like to do the whole media blitz and do a million interviews and things like that, but like with Pusha T, you know what I mean? We saw in malice. We saw media media. We saw interviews, podcasts. We saw. We saw really cool, like, collaborations.

[E]

Yeah, they worked.

[C]

Collaboration.

[B]

That's what we saw. We saw work.

[D]

Right, exactly. So what? What could work look like that's unfair.

[A]

Because Summer's an introvert.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. What would it look like for somebody.

[A]

I was about to address, Never been miss, pop up all over the place and do interviews.

[E]

But if I'm your label.

[D]

That's why I'm asking, what would it look like for her, if you. If that's not your thing, they can still pay for the. Pay for the service. They could still put out there. Whether it's artwork, whether it's a cover, whether it's something or some people doing something to a song, they can still pay for that.

[C]

You could also, as an introvert, you could go to her crib or her place of wherever she's comfortable and film some shit that's interesting. It doesn't have to be running around in New York and LA and all these places and sitting down with people you don't want to talk to. You can think of some other creative ways in which to.

[E]

And then put the money behind that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Around content pieces as opposed to let's.

[C]

Slow down, let's do it.

[A]

I don't think she wants to talk to people. Like, she's got a couple of pieces out now. Maybe they staggered them. But I don't think Summer wants to be the go and talk to or have someone come and talk to me artist. Like she wants to be her introverted self.

[E]

But then have you. The label that. That's a. An objective that you have to now circumvent. You understand what I'm saying? Like, you got to put out something.

[A]

Feels like they've done a great job. And I mean, we deep, deep, deep diving here. But, I mean, she did a buck 68 last time. Whatever it was when we looked up the label. Somebody's done a good job on her side and on her team. I don't know if the last album had bundles or not. I know they were bigger records, but for me, it ain't even all this fancy. There's a. There's a. I don't think this shit. She really connected with her core.

[C]

That's possible because you. You and Imani is the resident super album.

[B]

And that's part of what I was.

[A]

Coming in here to say on my re. Review is okay. Now I totally understand why this album, for me, wasn't what it was supposed to be.

[E]

And I saw a lot of Summer Walker fans, fans saying the same thing you and Imani were saying.

[B]

And I went back to that first.

[A]

And the second album.

[D]

Yeah, my wife loved the first two. Didn't love this one. For the same thing we listen to.

[A]

Y' all. Bigged up scars. It was 50 seconds. Not for me.

[B]

Yeah, track two robbed you. Who are you talking to?

[A]

Who is this song to? It can't be none of your core audience who've been riding with you through relationship after relationship after relationship where you was on your. You know what you was singing about on the first two hours albums.

[B]

Who are you robbing? You showed up to the awards with the old white man.

[A]

He's on the COVID here. Spend it ain't even on this album. Spend it is the second record that came after when she put out the like a maxi single where it was sped up. That's not even on here. So who the wants to.

[B]

Who has Summer Walker been scamming for.

[A]

The bag or getting tricked?

[B]

Who sees her like that? So cool. Robbed you is second cute song. Who the you talking to?

[A]

No, I like that song. The. The Destiny's Child flip.

[B]

Guess when you hear that I like that song. Go Girl.

[D]

We love that.

[B]

This song would be great on one of their albums. It would be great if it were.

[A]

An R B song. And maybe the remix is featuring Lotto and Doja Cat. Similarly to how you did Cardi on.

[B]

The last album where it was an R and B song.

[A]

And then when it was the rapper Girls Time they came in.

[B]

The 21 Savage feature on this album is done perfectly. It's a Summer Walker song with a 21 verse in and a 21 verse that he hits. Out of the park. Go Girl is again. Who are you talking to?

[A]

You back to trying to be Miss City Girl.

[B]

I don't think you viewed like that, baby. I like that song.

[A]

1800 heartbreak for me is the clear.

[B]

Standout on this album.

[A]

And it is is.

[B]

It is a Summer Walker record to a T. She always give you the standout. God damn, My Heart is Broken. And that's what she did here. The second best song in this whole.

[A]

Thing is Don't Make Me Do It.

[B]

Slash tempted, that is. Those are your template Summer Walker records. Those are the records that you would hear on any album that you do the rest of this shit.

[A]

Let's see. Heart of a Woman's Cool Situation.

[B]

Situation. No, that's another one I love.

[A]

Not for this album.

[E]

Who the is this for?

[B]

That's back to Parks's Point Situationship. I think that this Ted hold up Park. This Teddy Swims record and finally over it beautiful records for some movie soundtrack somewhere.

[C]

But I think that if you figure out who you're talking to and speak to them through the marketing. Marketing is a creative business not dissimilar from any other art. Like if and if you're gonna make this turn from serving you and Imani and all the summer R and B heads, you have to figure out how to market that so people understand what you're trying to do.

[E]

Yeah, I think maybe. I think that's the whole Grant, the whole picture with the dude.

[C]

That's not enough, though.

[E]

I know it's not enough. I'm just saying. But that's her attempt at it also. I'm trying to show y' all I want something else.

[D]

Everyone doesn't deep dive or break things down like Joe and Imani. I don't think anybody. You see what he just did?

[E]

I don't think.

[D]

Well, fans do like that. And sometimes you don't have to think about it. You just gotta emotionally kinda notice. Ain't for me. I don't think somebody's looking at and say, who are you talking to on this record? And who was this?

[C]

That's true, but they know you're not talking to you.

[D]

Joe was somebody that I watched do that type of breakdown and stuff like that. But maybe. Maybe there's a lot of people that do that. As somebody who didn't like just to use Mary J. Blige as the obvious comparison. Somebody who loved all the Mary albums and then didn't love her happy turn. We kind of joked about it, but there's a way that when I heard those records, I just was like, this ain't the Mary I want. So I can see how that could happen for Summer Walker.

[A]

This is a summer. This is finally over it.

[B]

Beautiful record for.

[A]

Yeah, this. Come on, man.

[B]

And I. I think I see what.

[A]

She was trying to do.

[D]

You said for a movie soundtrack. Yeah.

[C]

This is fire to me.

[D]

But it's fire. Yeah. Like somebody walking slowly in the snow. Like. Like Frozen four.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's fire, though, boss.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It's not a Summer Walker record.

[D]

And I think somebody wrote this. And.

[B]

And you did this three times on this album. You did this song.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

This ain't so cohesive to me.

[A]

It ain't.

[B]

Sorry, sorry.

[E]

I was.

[B]

I wasn't able to explain properly last.

[A]

Time I was here, but at least on the second dish or. Or to end after Situationship. Let's play Situationship. So you see what I'm saying?

[D]

This is one of my faves too.

[A]

Exactly. No.

[B]

Rihanna gave you one of these on one album and that was it.

[D]

Joe, you don't believe in diversity and record.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Don't want to go to this place with you. It's dark enough where I'm at now.

[C]

It's fire.

[A]

Dog.

[B]

I don't know who the.

[A]

She's trying to connect to you listening to music.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You don't believe in somebody showing who.

[B]

The hell is she.

[C]

But that's the problem. You. You have to. Especially if you're gonna make a switch, you have to warm people up to the switch. No disrespect to Summer, but she's not a big enough artist like a Kendrick or Rihanna or a Beyonce or someone that can just throw a massive curveball and people will be willing to figure it out.

[A]

Yeah. Like, she's.

[D]

This.

[A]

This sound like it was left off.

[B]

The Scissor out scrap package.

[C]

Yes. A lot of this album feels like it could have been Scissor Records.

[D]

I could see that. I mean, is the idea. I thought the idea was that she was just that she's taking her fans on a journey through. So she's taking us through the journey of heartbreak. Heartbreak. All right, y', all. I'm finally over this shit. I'm finally. I'm in my healing phase. And that the audience would just follow her into that phase. That's how I felt that this album was. That's how I saw it. But I think y' all are right.

[B]

But if you listen.

[A]

But if you listen to the album, where do you hear that?

[D]

Well, I think before, she would have never tried to get the nigga robbed. Before that, she would have never said, I can't do the situation.

[A]

She stopping now. She's stopping that. Look, don't tell me that. And that's my problem with the shit.

[D]

No, but I think that's a problem with that.

[B]

Don't tell me that. I'm finally over it. Let's rob him.

[A]

Let's get these for their money.

[B]

Go, girl. Let's go, Pop.

[D]

I'm outside now. That's what I'm saying. That's. That's how I took it, like.

[B]

And if that's what you thought your.

[A]

Fans were looking to hear at the end of such a phenomenal trilogy, you're off base.

[D]

And that might be right.

[A]

You were.

[B]

You were off base.

[D]

I'm not the core fan. I liked this, But I also like the first.

[B]

I feel like I am.

[D]

Yeah, you are.

[A]

You are.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. I like her first two, but I really like this.

[E]

Let me ask you a question. I'm. I'm not disagreeing with you. Let me ask you a question. How. How does an artist that has a core fan base now gather more fans?

[A]

Well, she went on. I'm not mad at her team. She went on Chris Brown's tour. Anybody is thinking, put him on tour.

[B]

Get off tour records album.

[E]

True, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Some teams would think that's all I Got to do.

[B]

That tour was so big.

[D]

Maybe that is what they thought.

[E]

Maybe because again, this was stadium tours with him.

[D]

Him.

[E]

Let me make more music that that crowd might with. That's true too.

[D]

Let me.

[E]

You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. I just got introduced to 50, 60,000 a night.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I've never played a venue that size in my life. So now let me make music that they might.

[C]

Let me give you as a smaller, no disrespect artist. You have to tell your core.

[D]

What?

[E]

You can't alienate your core and just do that. Yeah, yeah. I'm with you there.

[A]

And again, this is just my opinion. I think on disc two, she attempted to get back in her back. I love this, though.

[B]

The Bryson record at the end of disc one, Houseway is not bad.

[A]

Baller. Again, I don't know who she's talking to here, but don't make me do it. Tempted, get your boy. These are Summer records.

[B]

Number one, Brent Fies. Hats off to you. Best, best record I've ever heard you on. And it proves to me that my theory was wrong.

[A]

Or maybe it's him in key. It's him singing in key. So I don't know if.

[B]

But he was still Brent.

[C]

Yeah. His melody is still this weird Brett melody that he do.

[A]

This was the most in tune I've ever heard. Fires, fires.

[B]

And it sounded great.

[A]

Again, stitch me up. There's a few good records on here, but not. Not what us. Me, the Summer Walker fan that I am, was expecting.

[D]

That's so crazy.

[E]

It being called Finally Over It. Like if this was something else and not piggybacking off of that. The other two records, could you appreciate it then? Albums. Albums. Excuse me, like. Cause sometimes the titling and what you name your album puts pressure on it for sure. So if you got two classics over it.

[B]

Still over it.

[E]

And now you name this. Because I came in here and said, oh, we know what she about to do. You're naming this Finally Over. You're saying this is a trilogy, which means we're tying in. We're playing off of those previous two. If she went a total different direction, just name this something else. Would you be as critical of it or was there an expectation?

[A]

I'm a Summer fan. I think she's one of the best females out there. So I would have been critical of her regardless.

[D]

Do you agree with Parks Joe, that she's not a big enough artist to make that transition without warning? Without warning. Because I'm thinking about Chris Brown, when he put the Double Mint song on his album. Right. Remember that Double Mint song he had on his album? That was a different thing from what he did, too. I know, but when I'm saying so early, I'm thinking, okay, so you told my. Cause it's early. Somebody was taking a hard change on the album. I remember that. Double Mint didn't match with.

[E]

He wasn't that yet. He was still in his experience, which.

[D]

Goes to the point of. Okay, I got it.

[A]

All right.

[D]

That's what you're saying.

[E]

And that was just one song on there. He did that. He still gave you the We Love.

[A]

From the first album.

[C]

I think Chris is also, even early on. I think Summer makes more niche music.

[E]

Music.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You make a specific music for a specific crowd, whereas Chris is a little bit more broad.

[A]

You can.

[C]

You can take those risks a little bit more if you're a little bit drawn.

[E]

And he was headed to stardom.

[A]

Out.

[E]

Damn now out the gate.

[D]

Yeah, okay, that's true.

[A]

There's nothing on here in closing, because I'm not.

[B]

We did it.

[A]

There's just nothing on here that. That to me matches the album title or the tone of any of the albums that have come before. Like, again, I challenge you to tell me where she is finally over it on this album. Album.

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Maybe I understand. Finally over.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You got three songs on here that I keep calling movie soundtrack songs. More than that you've ever done. I mean, Summer Walker is known for girl anthems like, do y' all know that part?

[B]

She's known for the breakup empowerment.

[A]

Him, we singing this.

[B]

Not we at home sobbing over.

[D]

I don't know, but should have robbed you. Is that. I mean, that's just like. That's like Jasmine television. Bust the windows.

[B]

I didn't care.

[D]

It's like that.

[B]

No, it is not.

[A]

No, I'm talking about.

[D]

No, it is. Can I hear. Don't ever say that again. Don't ever say that. I'll say it again. Please don't say that again. It's true. It's like I'm over it. The way I show it is like through anger. Can I rob you, Joe? I should have got you robbed. I should have bust your shit out. That's what I'm saying. Some people are over it in a different way. I think that's what she was trying to do with this. I'm over it by being outside. I'm over it by going to my whole face. I'm over it by saying, fuck this, dude.

[E]

Now I'm getting.

[D]

I'm over by no longer being a side chick.

[A]

I almost.

[D]

He got tired. He's mad. He's mad. You saw his face.

[A]

I don't talk music with Mark. Okay. Talk music with Mark.

[D]

Did he just say bus your windows on your car, Jasmine? What's crazy about that?

[E]

You talking about the songs. But he's saying. I get what you're saying.

[D]

I'm talking about conceptually. I'm not talking about the music.

[E]

He talking about quality on record.

[D]

Yeah, he missing what I'm saying.

[B]

Can I hear r. I understand what you saying.

[A]

It's. You saying. It's her new age version of this.

[B]

Which is I should have got you robbed.

[D]

I should have cheated. Yeah, like, I should have another one. Like. Yeah. Yes. That's what I think. That's. That's. That's.

[B]

Don't ever don't.

[D]

She just did it better. Ugly.

[B]

But right now, I don't care about that part.

[D]

Sound like she finally over it.

[E]

And she not over it when she bust the windows out your car.

[D]

Yeah. Jasmine is a legend. You ain't. You put your fist down. I did what I'm saying. This don't prove what I'm saying.

[A]

Music too much to listen to.

[B]

Just shut up. Just shut up. Enough.

[A]

Now. When we need a PhD, we'll cor.

[B]

Y. I know we got prize picks.

[A]

Coming, but now we got to let the. Just give me a second.

[B]

I know you do, but this is from my experience.

[D]

And my conclusion only makes me shout.

[B]

Out to Jasmine Sullivan, too. I wouldn't mind a new Jasmine Sullivan.

[D]

I can't wait for a new Jasmine Su.

[A]

Look at.

[D]

Listen to this.

[B]

Angel.

[A]

Listen.

[D]

Man, that went hard.

[B]

Don't you say that.

[D]

Don't you say that. It don't disprove my point, though. This just better version. She just did it better. This album is the one.

[A]

Oh, my God, man.

[B]

I should open with this.

[D]

If I had you back in my world, I would prove that I could be a better girl.

[B]

Now they singing with me out there. They like, don't cut it on Joe if you let me back it. You got that Jasmine in your Serrano.

[D]

I would show nothing ever that you gonna. Hey, baby.

[B]

After the hook. I'm with you, price p.

[A]

What I'm saying is these songs have commonality.

[B]

Like, so if that's what she was.

[A]

Trying to execute you. Don't do that again. Don't do that again, Marty.

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I'm surprised he was I'm always on leave.

[A]

I didn't that was odd to me but he said he'd be up at that time. I'm on my knife dreaming yesterday I was in bed by 3:30. You talking about I pressed a little.

[B]

Button on the sh me with your Winnie the Pooh outfit on daylight savings time?

[A]

Come on man, stop playing with me. Let me find these ish picks. All right, here we go. Right here it says Josh Allen for more than 219 passing yards.

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Yards.

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Jonathan Taylor. We bike for more than 15 receiving yards. That's a given.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Jameer Gibbs. You like Jameer Gives for more than 74 rushing yards. Dawson Knox for more than 23 receiving yards. He trying to get freaky man. And Stefan Diggs for more than 62 receiving yards. I like Stefan Diggs. He's been heating up ever since I traded him. Yeah, I needed a running back. Both my running backs were on the buy in the same week. Marks from Houston. My league also is the toughest fantasy league to trade in in the world. It's full of music executives and CC Sabathia. Oh, they used to these do not trade. They looking to scam and beat you.

[B]

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[A]

It's an absolute mess over there. Shout out to my fantasy league six and five fighting for a playoff spot. I should be good and oh yeah. That's it. That's it fam.

[B]

I'm gonna add on the Joe pick Puka whatever he feel like doing that day. Puka Nakua. He's gonna be questionable but he's gonna.

[A]

Play and he's gonna do something you've never Seen before. I'm going pooka.

[B]

Let me see who else I want to put out there. Who else I want to put from Seattle Battle.

[A]

Oh, he gonna do whatever he feel like done. Jackson, Smith, Najigma.

[B]

Anything he feel like doing that day.

[A]

He is going to do. So. Yeah, let's add those on there for Joe.

[E]

Catch the ball with his pinky toe. It don't matter. I don't care. It don't matter. I think you're full. Full speed ahead down the sideline, yo. Just one handed. Yeah.

[A]

More and more important than that. Anywhere Sam Darnold go, somebody gonna have one of them you years. Sam Donald gonna put that boy where it need to be. Except for when he's on the Jets.

[C]

Yeah, well, the Jets.

[A]

I like the quarterback renaissance resurgence that you thought was washed up. Absolutely killing. I love that.

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Only on prize picks where it's good to be right?

[D]

All right, Ray J, y'. All. Every couple weeks, he do something saying.

[E]

Ray J name means something funny happened. What happened, man?

[D]

So apparently not. Apparently there was a show in Baltimore. It was Mario show. Mario was there while they was there. It was a fire show by all accounts, except one. Ray J went online afterward to give his breakdown of what happened. He was upset because apparently he didn't get treated properly. He didn't get the respect he deserved. He didn't get invited on stage to perform. So he, he, he had some words for Mario and a little bit of.

[A]

W. I'm going to play the clip, but I mean, I hit W the next morning to say, you're amazing. And that was it. And then he said, thank you, but spam. Shut up. He said thank you, but Ray J.

[B]

And anytime somebody say Ray J, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

[A]

And then I saw what Ray J had to say.

[F]

Like to hear, here go Mario. Your show was weak. As tonight in your own hometown or wherever the you at. That was weak, bro. After you do two songs and you just out there singing, then what? Nothing. You don't know how to dance. You don't know how to be a real. All you know how to be is a fruity ass singer. And wale, I ain't gonna even get on you.

[A]

You.

[F]

Because I don't even know if it was you tonight. But y' all don't ever bring my name up and invite me nowhere. And don't give me no kind of like not VIP because That's very important. But I IP important. While you're performing, I'm on the side like this, like, ready to get the mic. They're like, right, Come back here. I'm like, why the y' all keep telling me to come back here, bro? If you tell me to come back here one more time, bro, I'm gonna tell you to come over here and go back into this alley and take you. So I talked to Mario. I'm like, yo, take you go out in the alley. You know what I'm saying? Like, me out, the crowd going to go crazy.

[E]

This go.

[F]

Give me five minutes to think about it. Give me five minutes to think about it, bro. If you don't cut it out, I'mma give you all the props you want. Mario, you want to be the best singer, that's fine. You're still the broken singer. I don't gotta sing. Don't play with me. Don't act like just cause you. You feel like you got a bigger record or you got a bigger album that you the biggest. You don't work like that, bro. We'll break your little ass down, bro. Here's real respect.

[E]

What's up, Ray?

[A]

This is what I was looking for. Let me see.

[B]

Mario, what did Ray J expect to happen, bro?

[F]

I'm not doing none of that, bro. I'm gonna do my set.

[D]

Set.

[F]

And if Wale wants you to do your set, you do your set much, Ray J.

[B]

All right, What's.

[D]

What's. What's the rules?

[A]

Yeah, that's where the combo is, is show etiquette. Yeah, that's where the real combo is.

[D]

Schoolers. Because I don't know. I mean, from.

[A]

From what I'm getting now. Also, Mario just put his album out. So now you got Mario and Wale, who just put their albums out. Yeah, Mario's from Baltimore, right. W is DC Them having a show together makes sense for sure. But Ray J's there. Okay, Ray J, sometimes you got to show when the city of is there. Ray J's there.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

It sounds like Ray J's expectation was for him to be able to sing a couple of songs.

[C]

Yeah, that's unreasonable.

[A]

That already is problematic. It for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Why?

[C]

Why we got albums out, though.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm not stop stopping nothing in my set to bring somebody else out.

[D]

Do it matter who the person is?

[A]

I'm not ending my set.

[B]

Maybe sometimes I told Kanye to get.

[A]

The out my face.

[D]

Okay?

[A]

I mean, granted, he wasn't Kanye, which he wasn't Kanye, which Kanye it was Elvia Sarahville. Wherever she had us at out there was that abyss.

[E]

Abyss.

[A]

No, it wasn't her first joint. Not Deco. Remember her first joint used to hop.

[B]

On that highway and go out there. They was out there too.

[A]

Anyway. But anyway. Strip club.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

It was a club.

[B]

It's a club.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Anyways. Anyway, to me it matters none if I have a set and I have an album out and my fans are here because I've been promoting this. I'm not stopping my set on release.

[B]

Day or release never.

[A]

Never. Is that happening? I don't give a how cool we were.

[B]

If we were that cool, you wouldn't.

[A]

Even ask me no stupid. Like that.

[D]

Is there a bigger artist etiquette? Like if, like if, if it was that same time but like hov shows up. I mean like what's is there artist who's big enough that you got to be like, yo, I gotta. I gotta surrender.

[A]

The artists that are big enough are not coming to your show expecting for you to relinquish your stage.

[D]

Got you.

[A]

That's not, that's. That's just not gonna happen. Happen. Do I have a song with hov? Do I have a song with the artist in question? Cuz now it makes sense, right?

[C]

Also, if it's a bigger artist, can you just come up and give me a dap or something like that'll do you just being here is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Wale is home with a fire album out. Ray J.

[A]

Is from LA. I don't know what you doing here.

[B]

You don't sound like you're too cool.

[A]

With either of them.

[B]

Who the fuck was letting you on the stage to sing?

[A]

What?

[E]

The only thing. And again, this is. I'm just taking it from here. I didn't hear any. I didn't hear anything about this until right now. Ray J said he was invited. Like he made it seem like somebody said, yo, pull up. So when that happens.

[C]

And somebody is the.

[E]

An important, who's the somebody who invited them?

[C]

Because what'd they say?

[E]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get to. Yeah, that could go a certain way.

[A]

Don't mean I'm not doing that. Something could have got lost in translation for sure. But pull up does not mean you come to my show.

[B]

You get two and three songs. He didn't say he wanted to do a song.

[E]

You heard him.

[B]

He wanted to do a set on somebody's set. Are you crazy?

[D]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ray J, you know I love you.

[B]

I. I absolutely love you.

[D]

Down.

[B]

This is preposterous this is preposterous.

[D]

Yo, he said, let me think about it for five minutes.

[E]

That's your answer?

[B]

That's.

[E]

That is the answer.

[B]

Yeah, but that's also. I didn't see that's the right thing to say.

[D]

Too politically correct.

[B]

Ray J was mad about it. What do you expect somebody to say? You putting me on the spot. Side stage, I got the mic in my day of I'm walking on set, right? The fans see I'm walking on set. They can see us now fighting back here.

[A]

Ray J, sorry, man. Sorry.

[E]

Yeah. And the more I think about it, I don't think it was lost at all.

[A]

Translation.

[E]

Because if that's the case, you're not asking, yo, let me get right.

[B]

Let me get a set.

[E]

They told him, pull up, have a.

[B]

Drink, come show love, come be his girl.

[E]

He went there thinking, yo, I'm me.

[B]

Catch a vibe.

[E]

Yo, let me get a little bit of that. Let me get out there and do something. Or you looking at them like little. All that.

[D]

That's how he was act to me. He sounded like, yo, sounded like, I'm your og. Like, if I'm here, I should be out.

[E]

I should be out do it want.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

At y' all show.

[A]

Well, he got in there is. He started talking like, you still you and I'm me.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Which.

[A]

There'S a talk to be had there, too. It is.

[D]

What's the. What's the talk? What's the talk, Joe?

[E]

Sometimes things change at that part.

[D]

Yeah. How long.

[B]

How long is your.

[E]

And what are you. You for right now?

[A]

What you say?

[B]

Do you think that's the important part?

[D]

Ray J identified that Mario can sing better than him. That had a.

[E]

That.

[D]

And he has had a better album than him. But do you think Mario is bigger than Ray J?

[E]

It's perceptional.

[D]

So Ray J's more famous.

[E]

I think rage. It's perception.

[D]

Perception. What do you gauge it on?

[E]

So if you're Mario, this is not ish.

[D]

He's objectively more famous. He's not a bigger artist.

[E]

But if you Mario. And I'm selling out tours or I'm selling out shows around the world.

[A]

Well, I was on the Millennium Tour, which was huge.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I got album out. I'm putting songs out currently. They may not be the biggest songs, but I am currently active. Active.

[E]

When he sat here, he had just came from overseas. He did an overseas tour.

[A]

Ray J being richer and more famous. Cool. But what that got to do with music? We in a music venue right now.

[C]

Full of my Fans. Full of my fans.

[B]

They're full of my fans.

[A]

They don't care about sexy can I and 1 wish.

[E]

Or about reality TV or that.

[C]

And I don't want to be the.

[B]

One to say it or the scooty.

[E]

Bikes but the last time we saw dudes sing it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't that. I'm not about to have you come out here and my show up either.

[B]

Cuz I pride my show off of.

[A]

Cutting the music and being able to sing. Yeah, we got to come up here drunk.

[E]

Yeah, no, we not doing that.

[A]

You about to come up here off.

[B]

The that of that reposado. What Ray J. You know Ray J was on.

[E]

No, he was lit talking about.

[B]

As a matter of fact I was the one that said that line.

[A]

You got to be sober to sing that line. And you wasn't.

[B]

You wasn't in Baltimore D.C. saturday night r B show. Nah, come on man.

[E]

Can't do that.

[A]

Yeah, we got brains.

[B]

We got brains. We can't do that.

[A]

Drunk Ray J can't take my stage.

[D]

Stage.

[A]

That's my man.

[B]

But sorry, it ain't no beef there with it.

[E]

It's just your dogs and you kind of.

[A]

You kind of just got to eat it. When Ray J go online and talk his. Cause Ray J is the king of that.

[D]

He was talking crazy. Don't come to la. You know what I mean? All that. I might take you to an alley and beat your ass.

[A]

He didn't say don't go to la.

[B]

Don't put words.

[D]

I'm sorry. What he said is I'm not going to say don't come to LA because.

[A]

It'S not that serious. That's what he said.

[D]

Right? Okay. To me that sounds like. Like I'm saying it without saying it.

[C]

But a little bit, yeah.

[A]

It's saying don't make me take it there. But them didn't say, hey, your Baltimore D.C. pass is revoked. You can't perform out here.

[B]

They said you can't perform while we perform tonight.

[E]

Right now?

[B]

Yeah, you just give on this stage right now. I don't think that's so out of bounds. It's not out of bounds, but Ray.

[A]

J on the go online and be entertaining. This was. This was. This was mild.

[B]

This was a mild Ray J in comparison.

[D]

I think it's all performative, Joe.

[E]

That's all.

[B]

See, I. I'm with you too.

[D]

You know he know. You know he know.

[A]

We know is one of the smartest Internet that when I see Ray J, he don't do none of the I've seen him do online.

[B]

He's just super cool, humble, rich. He just rich. He move around like a rich.

[D]

He does.

[B]

They're like. I mean, especially married that likes marriage. Love that marriage.

[D]

Nobody love marriage like that marriage.

[B]

He killing that.

[D]

I love Princess N Boy.

[B]

Y' all listen. Shout out to all parties as well. Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Show etiquette. Get your show etiquette together.

[E]

Come on.

[B]

Let's tackle all things music. All things music.

[D]

Can we give a conversation? Congrats to Pusha T. Yes.

[A]

Oh, definitely. Let me get the round of applause.

[E]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I mean, big push.

[D]

Hey, what are we congratulating them?

[E]

He announced on Instagram that him and his wife, Virginia, are expecting their second child, second son. And the Internet had a lot to say about that.

[D]

Yeah, they were backlash. They got backlash for not being a present father or something like that.

[C]

Possibly finding this.

[A]

Here come the end.

[C]

They have to be mad about.

[D]

They were saying that not being present. Right. Freeze. That's what the complaints was.

[E]

Seemed like he's making a joke between him and his wife. Okay, that's what it looks like. I'm gonna read the post. It was just. It was. It was the second paragraph that they had.

[B]

They probably read the post and then.

[A]

Give what you think after the scene. Impartial. Like, when you start with the plea, they kind of know where we. Where we talk. I mean, I agree with you.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

Little suspense. He start.

[E]

He starts the paragraph.

[D]

Watch that. Am I playing that? Why the. You did that?

[A]

Come on.

[B]

You gonna read the whole thing or just the last?

[E]

No, I'm just gonna read. I'm just gonna read the second one. Starts the paragraph. Just reading. You know, it was a. Basically a message to his son.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You know, asking, you shall receive. He started with All Things Considered because he mentioned the miscarriage and Nigel wanting a sibling in the verse.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Then he tags his wife, Baby J. Thank you for my second baby boy. I hope you carry on with the tradition and never teach me how to change a diaper, prep a meal, suck out a snotty nose, or anything else a super mom does. You make things very easy for me, and I love and appreciate you for it all. And they're upset now again. I mean, when I think about it.

[A]

And when you say there, you mean Theo broken.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Are they broken, bro?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, come on, man. Financial not saying, put your T shirt. I'm just talking about me. I'm not doing none of that. Yo, you. Are you at home? What do you need? Like, I'M not. Is you with me? Ish. I know we masseuses, but misogyny, definitely not with masseus. No. But I'm saying all jokes aside, like, that's the joke between him and his wife. And we appreciate women that. That take the mantle and run with it. That take care of the child and allow you to do what. What you can do outside. When it comes to work, you got. You got to acknowledge that. I respect what he said. People just want to find something wrong because they don't have that opportunity or that privilege.

[C]

Also, if that's what their relationship, how it functions, who the earth is.

[D]

Strangers shout out to Pusha.

[B]

That is true.

[C]

Have an opinion on it.

[E]

Yo, I. I read this. I mean, they was going crazy.

[D]

They were.

[E]

They were dead beat and all.

[D]

And I'm just like, damn.

[E]

I think what. I took that as just literally a joke.

[D]

Like, it's like.

[E]

It's like an inside joke if it ain't a joke.

[D]

But let's say it's serious.

[E]

For serious. Let's say that's their relationship business. We sat here, talked about Nelly and Ashanti when that. When Nelly was saying, yo, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing it. I'll pay for all the nannies. I'll pay for whatever, whatever. We'll get it done. And was like, yeah, some. It's getting done. It's getting handled, dog.

[A]

I definitely told my girl, listen, I'll.

[E]

Do it if you want.

[B]

I'm down.

[A]

Just know. But when that little get here, I'm not doing. Sign the paper.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

I ain't doing it. I ain't changing. I ain't waking up none of it.

[D]

You don't mean that.

[A]

Yeah, the I do.

[D]

You don't. Let me take that back. You mean it, but you don't end up doing it.

[A]

I'm done.

[D]

Done.

[B]

My kids would be 25 and 8.

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Okay. So if you have another one, now you got a new one.

[A]

I'm not Barbra Streisand. He'll sing that song.

[B]

If I could turn back time.

[A]

If.

[B]

I could find a way that ain't me.

[A]

I'm cool.

[B]

Cause I start sitting home doing math.

[A]

All right, I'm 45. Then I be 46. Based on now carry the one, they be 20, I'll be 70.

[B]

None of that sound fun.

[D]

The little way I'm trying everything. My little, little.

[B]

My little one with the button jean. That's gonna be the super bad one.

[D]

By the time I'm 70.

[B]

Running all over Me kicking me down the stairs.

[D]

Dad, why the you ain't to that?

[A]

Hell, no. Hell, no. Then we gotta break the money up some more. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

That what paper you gonna sign.

[A]

You down another game.

[D]

You said I'm sign the paper. What paper? You was. I'm gonna sign again, huh? You said I was. You said. I told my girl, if you want to have.

[B]

I want it. I want it in writing.

[A]

That she understands. Understands what I'm saying.

[B]

Come back to the baby contract.

[D]

You're not doing anything when it comes to the baby.

[A]

A goddamn thing. I'm not buying the cute little that.

[B]

Strap them up on your chest Fun.

[A]

None of it. It is fun. Know how I know?

[B]

Did it?

[D]

You say that now to your girl. Exactly. If you have a girl. Lj, tell me the joke. If you have a girl. Let's go, girl dad. You going to be different.

[A]

Thank you, girl dad.

[E]

Thanks.

[A]

Thanks. I'm surrounded by girl dad. 1, 2, 4, 5 girl dads in here.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. You change.

[B]

And they still said that about y'.

[D]

All. Hey, what the fuck? What the fuck you said.

[A]

You said a girl might be different. Having a boy raising boys. It's like the jungle sometimes.

[B]

Little niggas.

[A]

I just learned.

[E]

Go. Just go.

[B]

Go figure out.

[A]

Yeah. They go to the store for Newport.

[B]

Three boys, you can just whatever. Yeah, them is tough. Yeah. Anyway, where was we at? Oh, push it. Push a T. Congratulations.

[A]

Congratulations.

[D]

Congratulations.

[A]

Congratulations.

[C]

It's pretty simple. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Congrats.

[A]

That's it. That's all you got to say when that happens. Congrats.

[C]

You have to analyze every thing but these people.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[E]

It got worse.

[D]

He set himself up when he made that joke. Like you got to expect the Internet is going to say some. But of all people, I'm sure he don't care.

[E]

Don't care.

[D]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He don't care.

[A]

The Internet don't know that those people.

[E]

Exist because they care so much. That's why. So they think everybody's like them.

[D]

Exactly.

[E]

He don't give a fuck about what they saying right now.

[D]

Yeah. And I just never cared that much about how people appear. Unless somebody's saying they doing something like abusive or something weird. I mind my own business. Everybody. Family's different. Facts.

[A]

I'm in bed last night. Come on, man. This is a big production. Court. So I'm in bed last night watching Plarabus.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Some. Yeah. That require you to pay attention.

[E]

Gotta pay attention to that one.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't heard my girl say hey, it's wild. They saying wild online about us. She's been said that all day. I ignore. I don't care nothing about this ain't all line. Who gives a. Yeah, but I'm watching Playerbase. I'm tra.

[B]

I can't escape it.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

She says, hey, is there anything that we can do about this? So I said, yes.

[C]

Unplug your phone.

[B]

Ignore it. Put the phone down.

[E]

Put the phone down.

[D]

I'm about to go pee.

[B]

It goes away.

[A]

That's. That's.

[B]

First of all, you can't say that because that's this business.

[E]

You thought it though. But you thought it.

[D]

So.

[B]

So I said, he typed it.

[A]

Mine wasn't okay.

[B]

I said, yes, we get to sue them, yo. So then she said, this caused a big fight almost. So she said, all right, bet.

[A]

Stop playing all the time. This your problem. You numb to stuff, cuz you've been famous all this time and they say.

[B]

On the Internet and you don't give a. But I. My mom called.

[D]

I said.

[B]

My mom called me too. I said, know what I said? That ain't true. She said, joe, you fucking play too much. Would you be serious for a second? I said, okay. Would you like me to call the.

[A]

Owner of Worldstar and tell them to take down this nasty post? She said, all right, I'm done with you.

[B]

I said, all right, I was being serious.

[A]

But you now. And that was that.

[D]

Well, what is the expectation? Wait, hold on. Wait. Yeah, wait, what happened? Nigga, I'm low. Wait, check. Check my Instagram. I saw you walking outside. Checking on you. I saw you walking outside the game. Shade had the Checker White and Black joint. You had your stomach out. I saw that joke. But there's something crazy, something else. It was an outfit or some jewelry full of glizz. You had to rolly out. I ain't going to lie. New shit too. I saw your big body. I saw your work where you act like nobody was there. Using your own world. I thought my son body in it. Shout out had the the Corella deville joint on.

[A]

I was trying to get in the car, yo, it took me mad long to even get so to be in the right spot for me to get in the car.

[B]

So what happened though, properly and here go to New Joe Mood music. Well, knock it the off, buddy.

[E]

Hey, hey, the mood music N. They said wetlands.

[B]

Yeah, that chick.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they pulled them.

[B]

They pulled all the chicks out. But I did look.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I was huge. I was huge. I was huge.

[B]

But that's not I ain't going to hold you.

[D]

And that's what they're talking about.

[A]

I was constipated, too. No, I'm talking about something totally different than what you talking about.

[D]

Can you put me on?

[B]

I said later, I'll put you on.

[D]

Okay, cool.

[A]

Later, I'll put you on. But, yeah, I was big as a house and I was constipated.

[B]

Yeah, D, you got right to it. You had a bookmark.

[D]

It's in my story. It's a master story. Wait, where the this came from? Hey, yo, Joe, chill. Take this down. Who wrote this? I'm Friday. That's. That's just.

[A]

They didn't.

[D]

It's not. They didn't report it. I mean, they were just one of many people that was reposting it. I don't know where it came from. Oh, from pods.

[B]

The point, my son.

[D]

I ain't gonna lie. My.

[B]

See, that's what my brain.

[A]

My brain.

[D]

You that nigga.

[B]

Boy, my brain says we got him, right?

[D]

But then she's not used to that. That's season two.

[B]

Yeah, season two of Pow Wows.

[D]

That's very smart.

[B]

Season two of that Pow wise. Hey.

[D]

We got him. Doesn't it get.

[B]

We back some of us.

[D]

Doesn't it get. Oh, doesn't it get tricky? Hold on, wait, wait, hold on. Come on. Wow.

[E]

Man.

[B]

Which couple will appear? Which one?

[D]

But doesn't it get tricky when you understand the game but your significant other is not on the same page? Not saying they feel away, but they feel away by what's being said when y' all both want to. Because that happened with my wife back in the days. The same shit. You know what I'm saying? Yo, yo, it's falsely accusing you of shit. No, hey, yeah. When they falsely accuse me. No, I just. She held me down. She's a rider. She's a rider, nigga. Yeah, yeah, she's the rider. No, I'm just saying that when you're not on the same page, when. When you know that, yo, this is a hit. This could, you know, I mean, this could lead to other things. Just let it play out. I don't give a fuck who calling you you. I don't want none of that shit. Take me off that and all that. It get a little crazy. And it's not on a bigger scale as that.

[E]

I love.

[A]

I love my baby. But that's part of yg, my baby. Even all.

[B]

All power wise things, you know, they keep killing us. Cause I'm not a wife. Well, yeah, well, that was part of.

[A]

The thinking that to forget it you can't win.

[B]

I love you anyway pow wise coming soon from Turks we out. Hey, I'mma show you how to write some off.

[A]

Hey hey.

[B]

I'm going show you jets everywhere.

[D]

Now.

[B]

You hey I'mma show you what it.

[E]

Look like I wouldn't be been on every episode Tulum.

[B]

Yeah, we we in Australia today.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, for real.

[B]

For real.

[E]

Crocodile DB the moderator.

[A]

Oh my God.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

How was the birthday weekend?

[B]

Great. We ate what you ate some more 8. What you got huh?

[D]

You if you all you can hear.

[B]

What you got of that's for her to say. It's for her to say.

[A]

Something nice.

[D]

You get you get better at this, boy.

[A]

I'm not a bad gift giver. Something nice. Happy birthday to my baby. Shout out to all the Scorpios out there.

[D]

Birthday shot.

[A]

Can't wait till y' all is over.

[B]

Self centered Scorpios says the Virgo.

[C]

Your word.

[A]

I feel like it's still Virgo.

[C]

Exactly, exactly.

[A]

There you go. Oh, what else is in music?

[B]

Congrats, Pusha T. What else is in music?

[D]

I want to ask you again, this for all y' all music experts. I watched this big announcement. It was in all the Hollywood entertainment rags. It was all over the Internet that Roc Nation has launched a new distribution platform. It's like a dashboard that allows independent artists to post, promote, and otherwise distribute their music. And it was seen as or launched as like this big victory for independent artists. When I looked at it though, I couldn't quite get why it was supposed to be such a big deal. And I feel like I'm missing something. So I thought maybe y' all could break that down. Cause I don't quite get it. It seemed like a big deal, though.

[C]

I honestly, I think the reason it's getting some backlash. I think the reason why is because I don't know why it's a big deal either.

[E]

Their model, 85%.

[C]

Yeah, their model is different in that they take a percentage as opposed to just charging like a monthly fee for distributing your music. Music. So like Tunecore or Distrokid or any of the other competitors, essentially you pay whatever, 10, 20, whatever dollars a month and you keep 100 of the proceeds. Okay, so a 15 split is just interesting because what am I getting?

[E]

What are they doing to justify taking 15?

[C]

Which in their press rollout is like unparalleled social media research and insights and data. But all these different distributors give you all of that shit too. So I don't know.

[E]

Yo, let me ask you a question. If. If you're Steve Stout.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Do you feel away about this?

[C]

No, I don't think so.

[D]

Why?

[E]

It's not direct competition from.

[C]

It is.

[E]

It is. It is.

[C]

But there was already direct competition and I kind of understand why these companies are doing it because it's basically. It's kind of. If you look at it, it's a little bit. It could be funny. It could be looked at as funny because you're just distributing people's music and taking cuts and not necessarily adding any value.

[E]

If you're. Can you get your music on. I don't know, Apple Music title, all that.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Without going through one of these, like, can I. Can I go log on and upload it myself?

[D]

No.

[C]

I do think Tidal is. Either has or is rolling out a distrib system of their own. So maybe in that case. Maybe. But otherwise you have to go through some type of distributor.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

All right. And the regular distributors, they let you just pay a monthly. Whatever. You pay more. You want access to your analytics, all this other type of stuff.

[C]

Yeah. There's tiers and depending on.

[E]

But nobody's taking a piece.

[C]

No. Outside of the. Whatever the fee is.

[D]

All right.

[E]

So with all that information, what it sound like to me is Roc Nation just one apiece because our name is Roc Nation. Or they might be adding something that we don't know about necessarily, that the competitors don't.

[C]

That's true.

[E]

It could be. Because when I saw it, it said something about like. Like even when Stout came, he said, yo, we have like tiers too. Like, we have this and then we have artist development. We have other things that you could potentially opt into. Yeah, yeah. Opt into. To further your careers. So. And when I saw their stuff, I didn't do a deep, deep dive, but it seems like they offer similar stuff.

[C]

They seem to. From their press release, which in my opinion was probably a poorly written press release. They didn't give much information about what they're offering for that 15%, which I think is where some of the backlash is coming in.

[A]

I'm going to read what Russ had to say because we love Russ on these matters. He's an independent artist. He's huge. He's done extremely well for himself and he speaks great when it comes to these things. He says an 8515 split to press upload is madness. Major labels take 15% distro off the top too. So it seems like they just modeled.

[B]

The business off of that.

[A]

If you're an artist this makes no sense to sign up. Major label distribution comes bundled with major label services. I. E. A team, radio marketing, global offices, sales team, editorial leverage, artist leverage, I'll add and etc. Roc Nation Distro platform is a self serve uploader with none of those services yet charging the same 15% major labels do. The economics don't make sense when the entire market norm is 0 to 10% and only charging a percentage. When they add service, he goes on a $50 annual fee versus 15% of your entire catalog is revenue are not remotely comparable. One is a fixed cost, the other is a tax on your entire career.

[B]

Free to upload is the okie doke.

[A]

Fixed fees protect artists, percentages drain artists. If you make if you make even $1,000 a year, 15%, $150. You've already paid damn near three times the cost of any flat fee distributor. Yeah.

[E]

Wow.

[C]

She's dead on. The other thing I would say that is some of that is everybody doesn't have access to a major label distribution system. So he's right. But also like say comparing it to a major label distribution system is not necessarily fair because everybody ain't getting signed to a major label distribution system.

[E]

Right. But we can go to like you said, the distro kid go that route.

[C]

I agree.

[E]

Get the same.

[C]

I started with that.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I live with that.

[E]

You know what it sounds like Russ?

[A]

I'm sorry. Russ also has speeches on this urging artists to just go to the bank if if you re. If you want a major label deal or major label money and backing just go to the bank. Get your get the money to get a loan, support your own career and pay end up paying less interest. It's yours at the end of the day same as it is at the label.

[B]

So he does have that out there as well.

[A]

As an alternative to what y' all are saying. What I offer I used to be on this indie indie indie Preach the good word Leave a trail, leave a path Let our good brothers know is another way to do this until you learn that majority of artists aren't really looking to do the best business. Yeah artists are signing up to get.

[E]

Lit how to handheld be stand next.

[B]

To the people that you're able to.

[A]

Stand next to whether that be Jay Z, Rihanna, just whoever you want to name name that's what I they want to go to the Roc Nation brunch they want to be in they want to go to the the. The building the Roc Nation offices that they're Beautiful.

[D]

Take.

[A]

Take a picture.

[E]

Those are on the gold couch.

[A]

Immaculate.

[C]

And get some hats.

[E]

What better commercial for Roc Nation?

[A]

Get some hats.

[E]

What better commercial for Rock Nation than his clips roll out.

[C]

Yeah, I see that.

[E]

You get what I'm saying?

[D]

This is.

[E]

This is ideal for them to drop this right now.

[A]

Which.

[E]

Okay, clips was Def Jam. We saw what happened there.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

We come over here to Roc Nation and look how we got them. So now this tells the other artists out there, hey, come sign up. We could do the same thing. Even though that's not what we doing. That's something totally different.

[C]

It is, right?

[E]

But you don't know. You just hear Roc Nation. And now we get 15%, which is.

[C]

It maybe feels like it's half baked and rushed in the. In the press rollout. Because I think if they had some better ideas, some better services, some better perks, something to justify 15% would be like.

[E]

Like a gimme.

[D]

And.

[C]

And when it comes out, maybe someone goes over there and drops some and says, actually when we're over here, it does X, Y and Z. And you'll be like, oh, okay. Well, it does make sense. But just popping this out, it. It seems. It seems a little happy.

[B]

Yeah, I haven't seen.

[E]

It's predatory. You want to keep it a buck.

[A]

I haven't seen much from Roc Nation that tells me that they might know how to develop an artist. Like, actually, that's one of my beats with Roc Nation is that some of my favorite musicians are over there, there, and they just. Dixon is over there.

[B]

Dixon is writing a hit for anybody.

[A]

Who need a hit. But I'm a Dixon fan. I'm looking for Dixon music. Right. That don't come as often as I would like. I'm here waiting on the Maya project. She don't come as often as I like. If I were a really talented actor on Rock Nation, I don't know how I'd feel about. About this, even if it had nothing to do with me.

[C]

Spreading themselves tooth. Anything.

[E]

It or. I wanted focus.

[A]

I want attention.

[D]

You.

[A]

You're shifting the focus to something else. You're changing the business model.

[E]

Yeah. I came here for this. And now y' all showing. Y' all telling me this is what we doing now. All right, so where does that leave me? That signed to you as an artist?

[C]

I think all this is kind of weird because again, the. The distribution companies and the DSPs are making money for free.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, those are the people that are making money in the music business are right Now, Yeah.

[A]

Again, if something comes out that I'm missing, I'm. I'll be open minded. Yeah. I'll be open minded.

[B]

I'll check it out.

[C]

I'm sure it will. I'm sure it'll be fluid. I'm sure some of this backlash that they're receiving will be heard and adjusted.

[D]

And adjusted. Yeah.

[A]

Want to be seen, not paid, man.

[D]

That is a fact.

[A]

Don't want.

[E]

That's just the beginning of the time, though. That's not nothing. When he was up here before, told us, like, they'll pay you in the.

[A]

Look, I don't know. Since the beginning of time.

[B]

Well, I got in 80s.

[E]

Yeah. But even since the 80s, it was that took fame over money. Who mad? I ain't getting into all of that.

[C]

But he's not wrong.

[E]

Mad people, Joe. People want bit.

[C]

How do you think all these. How you think horrible stories about music business?

[E]

How do you think they march market it? They market women, they market clothes, they market jewelry, they market cars. And sign up for that. They don't necessarily sign up for the financial windfall that's going to come from being in the music business. They think that is the money, though. They think that. They think. Yeah, it's currency. It's image.

[A]

It's currency. All right, we'll get back to that. I don't know if I all the way agree, but we'll fight about it.

[C]

There have been savvy people as well, but the majority I agree with.

[D]

I don't know, though. I mean, I agree with you too, sometimes.

[C]

It's a good bet, by the way, sometimes. Bacon on the fame. And you parlay that?

[A]

Actually, no.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

But it would be irresponsible for me to let y' all kick that hold up. Go ahead. This is the first time in history where all of the information has been laid out on a table and people are actively choosing.

[C]

That's fair. That's fair.

[D]

I think that's what I was about to say.

[B]

That's what my trouble with that information ain't new.

[E]

There have been artists that have been complaining and informing people and schooling people now for over a decade.

[D]

But it wasn't.

[E]

I'm not saying if it was or it wasn't. What I'm saying is the information was out there that niggas was getting fucked in they deals, and y' all niggas need to start reading y' all contracts. And y' all niggas shouldn't use their lawyer and y' all shouldn't do all of these things. I'm not in the music business, and I've been privy to hearing those conversations.

[A]

I think all of what you saying was part of artist discovery. And in the 80s, when Big Daddy Kane signed a bad deal, I don't think he had any knowledge of why.

[B]

It was a bad deal or what.

[A]

He was getting himself into. The same with De La Soul.

[E]

The same with all talking about 40 years ago, man.

[A]

Well, you said the beginning of time.

[E]

I'm saying people we go to the 90s knew they were signing bad deals. Some. Some cats knew they were, but that's not the same as saying very different to sign them.

[D]

I don't think that's the same as saying that they were choosing fame over money, because I. I agree that vanity plays a role in that, but a lot of times those artists didn't feel like they had a choice. You know, a lot of people signed the bad deals because they were desperate, they were hungry, and they didn't have a plan. But it wasn't like they said, this is a shitty deal, but you'll be famous. They said, you know what? Fuck the money. I'll be famous.

[E]

I agree with that.

[B]

I think that's what I'm saying.

[E]

But there were some people that sought out the deal for the fame. They ran to it for that.

[D]

Yeah, I think that's not even taking.

[E]

Advantage of your desperation or nothing. It was just, yo, I need to go be with Bad boy.

[D]

Yeah, I think that's right. People equate.

[E]

Favor the money. Even though I know. I've heard stories. What happens over there? I'm still running over there because that's. That we had Kiss his dad up here.

[D]

I think that's right. Yeah.

[E]

That's what I was talking about when I said. And Kiss his dad said, basically they were juvenile. Well, they were minors. And all of their parents got together in a collective and went to entertainment attorneys. And the entertainment attorneys told them that these are the worst contracts that we've ever seen. Cool. But by the time they became 18 years old, guess what they did?

[D]

He went inside, they took the power. He signed anyway. But again, I don't think it's because they wanted fame over money. That's all I'm saying. I think it's because they. I mean, people want to get on.

[A]

It is an opportunity cost which everybody may get fucked in.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

So. So.

[A]

But that's not the same as what I'm saying either.

[D]

And that's the point. I think it's more complicated than that. I think back in the day, the Beginning of time in like early music business, they didn't one. There was only one pathway and they didn't have the information.

[E]

I'm exaggerating when I say, but we've had Prince, we've had Michael, we've had Whitney, we've had our greatest of our greats complain about the shit that they're doing in the music business. So it would seem as if when I come into the music business now, I'm going to take. If they could fuck Prince, if they could fuck Mike, if they could fuck Whitney Houston, my nigga, they gonna look at me like a peon. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

With all due respect, Ish. When, when those things were going on, I don't believe a lot of people knew what the fuck they were talking about. That's like when Prince changed his name to the Symbol.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

I was really confused, thought he was crazy and. And his explanation didn't really say. He said, they trying to own me. He was talking like an adult.

[B]

I wasn't a full adult.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't know.

[B]

We thought he was crazy.

[A]

Right when the mic publishing start just started learning this stuff.

[C]

That being said, I mean, even back to the beginning of time reference, there were independent artists just grinding out independently. And it's, it's more work, it's more expensive. It always has been and it always will be like advantageous to get your.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

So I don't want to, I don't want to ignore that fact because there has been independence for a very long time. And I'm sure that when you bumped into so and so on the tour, you would say, hey, man, the way I'm doing, I'm getting. Ah. It's obviously way more information now. You go on YouTube and look all this up like this Cadillac records the movie.

[E]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah, it showed.

[E]

You know what I'm saying? It showed everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

They asked what? Holland Wolf. Holland Wolf. Yo, you want a caddy? He's like, nah, I don't borrow against the store. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody has their own path and their own level of discipline or, or, or, you know, to thug it out.

[A]

But I think Wale should be independent.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I think a lot of people should be independent.

[D]

I keep forgetting that he's not. And.

[E]

And y' all know that's my dude. I, I haven't spoken to. I don't think he wants to be independent.

[B]

He don't.

[E]

I really don't think he wants. I think he. With a lot of fab.

[B]

Don't. There's a Few of these that don't want.

[E]

When I talk to people, when I talk to certain people, I ask them what's their idea of success? When it's all said and done, what has to happen for you to say your career was successful? That answer changes for a lot of folks. Some people want accolades. Some people want. I want to make all the money. Some people want grant.

[A]

They want to be seen.

[E]

For Wale, I notice he wants to be in certain conversations, accept it that he can't. He won't get in as an independent.

[D]

Right.

[E]

Like, it's. Certain names. I feel like I should be mentioned when.

[B]

With.

[E]

Because of my, My, My. My discography. Because of how long I've been doing my talent. My talent, my this. You know, I should be mentioned with certain names. And that route is already hard for him as an independent. It. It damn near becomes impossible. And he not wrong.

[C]

I think that's a mistake in 2025, though.

[A]

That's horrible.

[E]

I'm just saying. I'm not.

[A]

I agree.

[D]

In 2025, it is. Yeah. Just because a lot of people want turnkey.

[C]

We see. We see. I know. And I. I understand that. Completely understand that. But for someone like Wale, who just dropped a great project.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If he was independent, I feel like we would have got the same press and same promotion and same. All of the above.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Maybe he would have got 85 instead of whatever his split is now, which.

[A]

May be favorable, but, yo, it's 2% of artists that. That make it on a major. And I might be.

[E]

I might be high.

[A]

I might. I might be pushing it. Like, I agree. He would have that same album.

[B]

You would have to.

[A]

You have to do the.

[B]

You just have to do the same.

[A]

I don't.

[E]

I think it's been harder to clear our own samples and I don't know.

[D]

You could do that.

[E]

I'm asking.

[C]

You can still clear your samples independently.

[B]

Clear your own sample.

[A]

You're just paying for it, yo.

[C]

You're still paid for it.

[B]

The problem is people think that they. That the label is paying for and they ain't.

[A]

You paying for it.

[B]

That's why Russ is saying, yo, just go to the bank and pay for the money. The label. The label. Because a lot of these labels and fired.

[A]

Everybody said they don't even have all the different departments.

[B]

So they're outsourcing.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

The same outsourcing that you can do as an independent.

[E]

Gotcha.

[B]

They're doing everything.

[A]

Everything.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So you could call Sam Crespo and have your radio work. You can Call the same publicist and you probably get cheaper rates for some of this.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Or.

[C]

And just. Hey, I actually like your music, bro.

[E]

Yeah, I. I think.

[C]

Thank you for sampling me. I'll do it for. Or just give me a verse on. You know, there's. There's benefits to being financial benefits.

[D]

There is. I think it's a security blanket. I think it's ego. I think about this in the TV world, like, you know, when I was in cable news, I mean, CNN at 10 o', clock, maybe 200,000 people are watching, tops. In the demo, you might get 150,000 people watching. You could be on YouTube with half a million people watching. Keep all the money, make three times as much. But it ain't CNN exactly. No, but once you have a name, you might as well do your own shit.

[E]

That makes sense.

[D]

That's what Megan Kelly do. That's what all them. But for a lot of people, myself included, there's still a small part of you that be like, yeah, but wait, I'm not that I need to be that. And I think major labels are like that for people. I think a lot of times just attaching yourself to a brand for sure makes you. It gets you in different circles and it makes you feel like.

[E]

Like you're a certain girl and it can't be valuable.

[C]

So, I mean, you know, different courses for different horses.

[D]

I don't judge it.

[A]

Yeah, but why do you. Value can be valuable.

[E]

Yeah, but you just got to finagle it accordingly.

[A]

Listen, man, that's true, though.

[C]

That's true. Back to the Howlin Wolf. Don't borrow against the bank bar against the house, whatever.

[A]

Anyway, Wale album available right this second in your phone.

[E]

And amazing projects.

[B]

Really, really, really amazing project all weekend.

[A]

Yeah, same, same. Well, that and summer for me.

[B]

What else? What else do we need to get to in music? It's a lot of let's get to it. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. What else, what else, what else, what else in music?

[A]

Yes, Takashi is in music. Tekashi is in music. What else is up there in music? I know Mark don't know what music. Let me see.

[D]

What kind of music Stories Home got rated. I was like, I didn't know if we wanted to go there.

[A]

Well, we care about it because he's a musician.

[D]

That's fair. That's fair. I feel like it's like a shit. I feel like for all of us to watch Tekashi's mother be held at gunpoint. Four guys Were in his house while he was away streaming in Miami to be held at gunpoint and ask where his belongings is. To watch that lady go through the that I don't give a what Tekashi did. You know what I mean? I think it's sucker. You got to have a heart. You know what I'm saying? I feel I saw people making excuses like, oh, he was ratty this, he that. You can't do.

[C]

She not though.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

She's not that. She don't deserve that. You know what I mean? And I, I felt bad. That should pissed me off to see something like that. Yeah. You know, I mean.

[E]

Yeah, you know what? I, I, I, I agree with everything you said.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I hated his response to it.

[D]

What was.

[A]

I have it if you.

[E]

Go ahead.

[A]

Go ahead.

[F]

I want to make this video to clear up all the fake news and rumors. The world knows this. It's a fact. I'm on house arrest. I've been on house arrest. I think everyone in America and everyone across the world knows that I'm on house arrest. Yesterday, they allowed me to leave for work. People, I guess, saw that I was on live stream with Jack Doherty. They took that opportunity to fucking do some pussy shit. Like I said, it's me. So I get it. The rules are different for me. But if it was fucking your favorite favorite artist, your favorite actor, and that was done. They don't get no cool points for that. My mom is 60 years old. Y' all know I'm supposed to come home. Y' all know I'm home all the time. I'm on house arrest. So y' all take the opportunity that I'm not home. Y' all see me on live stream with Jack Doherty in Miami, and y' all do that. That's. That's whack. Get no coupon for. I don't think nobody respects that new Joe Biden.

[E]

I didn't. I didn't. What was more. I agree with everything he said. It was more so the fact where it was coming off like, y' all wait till I'm not home. Almost like, do it when I'm home type shit. I don't like. I don't. I don't like that.

[D]

I mean, anybody, Any man would jump into the way of his mom.

[E]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[D]

Wait till I'm.

[B]

Hold on.

[D]

Don't take that shit out of my mom. My mom don't deserve that shit.

[A]

Like I said, if you looking for me. Yeah. And your issue is?

[E]

It just seems like you're inviting more of it when you say it that way.

[A]

Well, that's why I'm split about what you. And flipping saying what you mean on one hand. I totally agree. It's painful to see anybody's mother be held at gunpoint and. And led around their own home. I'm not with none of that shit. I love my mom to death. I have a heart. I'm not with it. That aside, because I. I'm. Because I'm not with it. I carry myself a certain way or.

[E]

You know, I think. I think potential ramifications behind doing certain.

[A]

Things now, that comes with maturity and. And some experience. So I'm not putting that all the way on him. But he has said, and he said a lot of about people that this happens to be their area of expertise. And if it wasn't those people, he.

[B]

Said a lot of about people who are loved by people's people who.

[A]

This is their area of expertise. And if they can't get you, maybe they don't even want to get you. We gonna take it to a different place. We're gonna shoot up your grandma house. We're gonna. They are.

[D]

It's always been. There's always been rules of engagement. Always been rules of engagement when it comes to street. And it depends on how you raise.

[E]

It's always been one of those hardest rap lines ever. Don't think you safe cause you moved out the hood and your mama's still a round dog and that ain't good. What do you say? If you were smart, you'd be shook of me Because I get tired of looking for you. Spray your mama crib and let your ass live for me.

[D]

But that's just raps.

[A]

No, it ain't.

[E]

No, it ain't.

[D]

There's always been. Hold on, hold on. It's not just raps. Listen. We can all talk from behind. Whatever. Listen. There's always been a certain etiquette when it comes to certain type of street. I watch the gangsters. The gangster of them watch. See, a nigga that he had beef with with his mom and his kids and let him go. I was there. I watched it. So we're not gonna act like this.

[E]

But everybody don't do that.

[D]

Okay, cool. And the ones that don't do that, we have to question them of their street morals and ethics. They're savages. They're savages. If I'm with my mom and my. If I'm with my mom and Princess and Nico or Junior, I would like you to let me go and let me go live my Life. Let them. Don't let them see that. There's plenty of places you can catch people down by myself.

[E]

I agree with, with you. You know, the other side of that is because today a lot of are moving around without those ethics you speak of. Maybe not engaging that because you don't know who's going to play the ethic game and who's not.

[A]

That's.

[D]

I agree.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

That's where I fall.

[D]

Pardon me. Okay.

[E]

Some. Yes, there's. Yes, there's some that are. With the stand up.

[A]

Played the ethic game.

[B]

They did.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, they played that. The game that could have been much worse. Walked around. I'm looking for what I'm looking for.

[D]

And I'm out of here.

[B]

They have respect, fam.

[E]

Could have took moms. Now it's a whole different thing. Yeah.

[D]

Okay. It's a little bit tricky, but I, I hear you. I stand on the other side. But I understand what you're saying. When you playing those games, are you playing those realms? You are signing up for anything.

[E]

You're basically saying, no, I'm. I'm really just saying you don't really. You hold a certain ethics, a certain code.

[C]

You don't know it very well.

[E]

You don't know who else is playing by that code until you basically find out.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Like you said, you got an issue with a. And he see you with your wife and your kids. What if he don't play that way?

[D]

Happen. Let you go. Oh, I see. And you see them too. You see them.

[E]

You're talking about that type.

[D]

What about.

[E]

We speaking about what about the other type in him.

[A]

I. I hear a blessing.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I hear a blessing.

[A]

I got into it.

[B]

I've been into it with street niggas.

[A]

Before and how we carried it. It was a blessing that you was.

[B]

The person I was that type with.

[E]

And not the other type.

[B]

You play like I play. We playing by this set of street shit.

[A]

That is a blessing when that happens.

[E]

The bad part is you don't know what set of rules they play by until you're in the situation.

[A]

And today in 2025, you rolling the dice.

[E]

It's more on the other side.

[A]

Like I hear what you.

[E]

It ain't even a dice.

[A]

Huh.

[E]

It's more the other side. Yeah. And I'm agreeing with you, but I agree with him.

[D]

You gotta think about.

[E]

But I think about the people that'll say, yo, he. He didn't necessarily handle his shit ethically based on street codes and street rules.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

So you broke ethics and street Codes and street rules. So now they don't apply to you.

[B]

I'm not.

[E]

I'm still on your time, your side. I'm just saying, from an objective standpoint, they could be like, nigga, he ain't. He ain't strapping.

[D]

So seeing that lady cry like that issue.

[E]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[A]

None of that.

[E]

I'm not with it. I'm not with it. That's crazy. I'm not with it.

[A]

Yeah. I'm prayers for Takashi. Takashi. Mom and Takashi.

[E]

Yeah. That's traumatizing, just knowing your moms went through that. Even you're not there. Stop inviting that energy, though. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

[D]

But even when he talked, he wasn't aggressive. I mean, he said slick stuff, but he wasn't the Tekashi that would normally hear.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

You know why? Because that shit hit home now.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You invited the devil to your home, and the devil came to your home to let you know, nigga.

[A]

And then you turn into Daniel. See, and that's the thing. It's not Tekashi. It's not the made up. It's not shoddy and 100 niggas in the back. It's not polls and niggas. It's Daniel.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Got it.

[B]

And we could hear Daniel.

[E]

You heard him. Yes, you could.

[B]

You could be Daniel. Yeah, you niggas get on the Internet.

[A]

And he don't be Daniel when he get on that.

[D]

I was.

[A]

I wouldn't even say the. That he be saying, cuz.

[B]

It invites. It invites that.

[A]

I'm an energy guy. On your ethics conversation, where do you stand on the jets player Chris Boyd who was shot outside of say Less the other night?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Word is. And I get this from the news that they. There was an argument that started inside of say Less.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Whoever was arguing with Chris Boyd left first.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Y' all know.

[B]

Yeah, Y' all know.

[A]

But. But I just want to hear his ethics point. When Chris Boyd leaves with a group of people, bunch of youngins jump on, jump all over him. Then shots ring out. Where do you. Where do you fall in the ethics of. Of this? Was it unethical for somebody to shoot him? Yes.

[D]

If you ask me that question.

[E]

It.

[D]

Was unethical for him to get shot. I feel like you could beat somebody ass without using a gun if you was jumping. And if you put hands on him, if you went outside to get your peoples and you fucked him up, it was no need for him to get shot. You know who he is. You're familiar with his career. You just. That teeth is the line of like, what did he do that was that. What did he do to deserve that? That's what I would think in that moment.

[E]

See, when I hear you talk, there's.

[D]

Plenty of opportunity, but there's plenty. And I only talk this way because I extend the same grace that it's extended to me.

[E]

No, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it sounds like you're talking with like yesterday's ear or yesterday's. Like these. A lot of that don't happen that way today. Not just that. I think that is not going outside to get their peoples first off. They're going outside to get their hands.

[C]

It's a good point.

[D]

The only time a got shot if he didn't want to give his jewelry up and they wasn't shooting you to kill you. Flip.

[A]

Flip. Yeah, you. You.

[D]

I'm just saying if that was from.

[A]

Where you come from, if that's what.

[B]

It is, then you sound like that.

[A]

You come from where you come from.

[D]

What I'm saying is that if. If he got shot because he didn't get. I can. If you don't know.

[B]

If we don't know.

[A]

Was arguing about the y' all talking about is just in general.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

We don't know what happened here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say less dog. I mean, and it been. And it's been. It's been for some time.

[D]

Been what?

[A]

It's over. The hood. It's over now. It's over. It's over.

[E]

See, I was there early.

[B]

Been over for a while.

[D]

I didn't know that. There's a lot of people that go there, Joe.

[A]

No, no. A lot of big people do go there. It's. And a lot of famous people go there. And a lot of. Of street go there. And a lot of hood and ghetto go there. A lot of.

[E]

With the nasty heels and it's not going to stop.

[B]

And you know what else?

[E]

You know what else a lot of.

[B]

People know the fake know about it. It's like a tourist situation now is in town.

[E]

We know we got to go.

[D]

But when he say it's over, right. There's nothing that the establishment can do to avoid that. You say that a lot.

[B]

I don't think that ain't true, Joe. We watch and we.

[E]

I.

[A]

We know them. So I don't want to really.

[B]

I want to take it off them.

[A]

I wish them the best, but they.

[B]

Have to know which. When it's A shootout in front of your establishment. They have to know what the word is about. Outside is all about your spot.

[A]

That's all like it's up.

[E]

I wouldn't necessarily put that on them. What I will say is.

[B]

People with.

[E]

A certain level of financial status are going to go places.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

The women are going to go there for the dudes. Conversely, the dude's gonna go there. Cause all the hot chicks be there. We've seen it happen with every single club in New York City. There is, however, a level of discernment that those clubs showed until they got shut down. I remember Greenhouse when any person couldn't get in Greenhouse and then when they started opening the floodgates to anybody that.

[D]

Had a dollar to come in the.

[E]

Greenhouse, it was the beginning of the end. I literally saw the club morph into.

[A]

Something different that is from the beginning of time.

[E]

Yes. So I saw that happen. But some of those clubs in New York City, especially New York, that have had the 20 year, 30 year runs, they practice a level of discretion that some of us might call racism, that some of us will call discrimination. But it has allowed them to keep their doors open for 30 years. So I think that is a fine line. I really think it's a fine line. I think that when you know you have these certain levels of celebrities coming through through, it need to be different level of beefed up security. They have enough money to pay off duty cops or whatever case to be there.

[A]

Got to be safety first.

[E]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

They got to be safety first to keep your brain. He said with a certain clientele coming through here, you got ladies, you got dudes. Everybody want to feel safe.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

The club you were talking about was 1145 in Atlanta.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Where the shooting happened at. And they ordered the owner to pay. Pay 66 million to the student's family. It was like $5.6 million in damages and 60 million. 60.5 million in the wrongful death claim. They ain't never gonna get money.

[B]

But yeah, that's some.

[A]

That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money to not.

[B]

Get anybody at the Mega Ball all the day.

[E]

Powerball, somebody hit the billion dollar one.

[A]

But the. They did whatever.

[B]

From Georgia.

[E]

Georgia. So the, the, the Power, I think was a billion. And the mega is still 500, like 80 mil. I've been paying 500 a week. Damn near on that.

[B]

Oh my God. Since it been up there, what they.

[C]

Get at least 2, 300 out me.

[A]

Sell your little is college boy shirts and move on. Man, stop. You don't need all.

[E]

That's what that move will be.

[A]

You don't need that.

[E]

I'll be moving on, brother.

[D]

You.

[A]

You got leave.

[B]

Every time he had me talk, I.

[A]

Ask him that same question.

[E]

You've given a lot of Dominicans $500.

[D]

Whoa, easy. God.

[B]

You want some cheese?

[E]

It's the strip clubs in the Bronx.

[D]

Oh.

[E]

He comes on the thing and says he goes to strip clubs.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

So for me to win $500, to win a billion dollars, I think it's a nice little.

[D]

You know what I mean? It's not the same.

[B]

I wasn't saying that. It ain't the same.

[E]

Not to me, but I know one. I could get a billion dollars. So you think this one right here.

[B]

Shorty belly gonna give me a. So you think they actually are exactly the same? You go pay to Dominican 500.

[A]

You think you're getting some pussy. And you don't. You spend the night in your car, waiting outside the strip club for her to come out. She went through the back door with her.

[B]

Shorty did that to you too, huh?

[C]

Shorty.

[D]

It ain't singular.

[B]

He was tight.

[D]

He was tight.

[A]

Listen, the game is the game. Some nights you're gonna score 30, 40.

[E]

Sleep at the exile by Squeeze Squeeze.

[A]

What you talking about? See, you always believe some. What happened?

[D]

You told me you.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I don't remember this.

[E]

It's cool.

[B]

Who was it? Something nice.

[E]

Fire.

[A]

Oh, so it's probably true. It's smoking. It's probably true.

[B]

It was worth a nap.

[D]

It's worth it.

[E]

I was tired anyway. Driving home.

[D]

Chill out.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

It's coming back to me. I just don't remember the girl, I tell you.

[A]

But I think she was nice, though. Who?

[E]

You remember the girl?

[D]

Do I?

[A]

No. She was unforgivable. She out here?

[E]

She still out here? No, I don't think so.

[A]

She left, right?

[B]

Them leave after you take a nap. They need to move the. By the time you wake up. By the time you wake up.

[A]

Up.

[B]

That is out of here, bro.

[E]

Tucson, pregnant. Goddamn.

[B]

How long was I sleep?

[D]

Yo, man.

[A]

Tory Lanez. Tory Lanez. He was supposed to do the deposition in the Milagro. The Meg versus Milagro defamation trial.

[E]

It's like a third time, right?

[A]

Yeah, this is the third time. Apparently. He was tough. The second time was on some. What did they say? He said, what you gonna do to me? What, I got 10 years already. What are y' all gonna do if I don't answer these questions? They find him because he didn't. He came back the third time, didn't answer the question, said, no, I'm cool. They find him $20,000, find his lawyer, find his lawyer, $5,000 dollars, and that's that. I cannot for the life of me figure out why Tory Lanez has not started ratting yet. I cannot figure this out.

[E]

To Flip's point, it's against his ethics and his moral code.

[B]

Oh.

[E]

Oh. I mean, what does this do, huh? In this particular instance, you gotta go in there, give a deposition. You gotta go in there and tell what you know about a certain thing, right? They ask them, how do you. How did you deal with that shit? Have you ever, you know, how do you meet the blogger? Have you had any interaction? Have you sent any information or anything like that? So I'm just saying, let's say he answers these questions. You saying why he ain't rat yet, quote, unquote.

[B]

What does this do for him?

[E]

What you mean, Ratten, in this instance?

[D]

This don't help me in the deposition.

[A]

I just ain't answering in the deposition. What does it do for him if he's truthful? This is the main Milagro. Milagro is his people.

[E]

Got you. So let's say he did send us some information.

[A]

I just ain't toxic enough for me. Okay, I'm gonna answer you, too.

[D]

Hold on, hold on.

[E]

Go ahead.

[A]

Hold on, Go ahead.

[E]

I'm snitching. I'm saying I corroborated with her to put this information out about Met. You would do that? You saying no? No, I'm saying, what does it do for him to do that? I understand. Oh, I thought you said, where is it? Got you. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Just don't help him.

[A]

The three questions that plaintiff counsel asked during the deposition were how he first came to know defendant Milagro Cooper, 2, whether Mr. Peterson communicated with defendant Cooper, and 3, whether he sent Ms. Cooper Instagram direct messages or text messages.

[E]

And y' all gotta understand where he's being housed. He's in jail, B.

[B]

True.

[E]

So if the word gets out when he's in jail that he went and did a deposition and gave information, and all of that stuff gets a little different. He just got stabbed. I want to go out there and make you crazy. Tougher for me. Yeah, you bugging Joe. You would sit there and say, I ain't telling y' all who. If you got sentenced to 10. Not right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not right now.

[B]

You have Joseph Anthony play it out, though.

[E]

You play monop. You Play Monopoly.

[B]

Well, let's do it.

[E]

What is. What do you get for. For answering this deposition? They knocking time. They not knocking time off.

[A]

What am I going to get a.

[B]

Wedge up Meg's ass?

[E]

No, you're not.

[A]

Yes, I am. I'mma answer everyone.

[E]

Don't even.

[B]

I was the out of Milagro. Okay, but first off, hey, stiff dicking her down. The best dick she ever got. Yeah, I'm doing all of that. We talk every night.

[E]

You know what happens.

[B]

Meg is going to win anyway.

[A]

We don't care about that.

[E]

But then you. But then you.

[A]

I'm just being toxic.

[B]

Oh, yeah, but then.

[E]

But then you the witness that allow her to win.

[B]

She's going to win anyway.

[E]

But you going to go back. You'll go back to that bunk and have a different experience.

[C]

Experience.

[A]

What's going to be my experience?

[E]

You're a rat.

[A]

He told the judge I'm a millionaire. What you going to do?

[B]

I got 20,000.

[E]

Talk about the judge. Talk about the other people in there.

[A]

Where you at? I'm telling you what I would do.

[B]

First of all, not ratting on the girl. You is what got him in there.

[E]

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you there.

[A]

Hey, this is called taking it to the next level. Allegedly.

[B]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

But yeah, please.

[D]

Hey, you should.

[B]

You should develop new habits. If a girl and not ratting got you where you at, I would be at the edge of the bed waiting to rat on the girl. I'm.

[A]

Are you kidding me?

[B]

And again, we don't know that they.

[A]

Meg think they was actually. And they wasn't. I think she was somebody in the crew. Allegedly. So look at you telling I'm ratting that I'm ratting. Give me a reason.

[B]

Give me a reason.

[A]

Going tell the truth.

[E]

Be right.

[A]

And. And I would negotiate. What can I get from this? I want.

[B]

I want some nothing.

[A]

I want extra lunch tomorrow.

[E]

You going get lunch?

[A]

All right. I want.

[B]

Get a lunch pack a nice one for you, too.

[A]

Hey, I'm not. I'm not answering nothing today, but if you come back tomorrow with a Twix and an Almond Joy, I might answer number two.

[B]

Play your cards right, it's going to be your Joy.

[A]

You talking about.

[E]

You get joy.

[B]

I can't believe, like, shout to shout out to Meg. That trial started yesterday. We'll see what happens with that shout out to Milagro as well.

[A]

And this is for posting the AI or. Oh, my God.

[C]

This is the never ending.

[D]

Yeah, he can't get up. Yo. Still got to just deal with this lady situation.

[E]

That's some wild.

[B]

Tour.

[A]

Shouldn't be in no jail. This is craziness.

[D]

He got 10 years, yo.

[A]

I know.

[D]

He's probably trying to let the just do his time. When is he eligible for parole? He's not.

[A]

He's not.

[D]

He got 10. He's getting. He got 10 years flat.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Stiff.

[A]

Is that true?

[D]

There's no programs.

[A]

Look, Mark, Mark. Making sure he wrote the letter.

[E]

Do not let be free. He is a minister.

[D]

Anything that he can do. I mean, from what. From what I've read. Because initially there was debate about whether he was eligible for early parole. I was. What I read was no.

[B]

Really?

[E]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. Now we can. Y' all can fact check that hopefully, you know, I'm wrong again. I'd never. I mean, I think he's guilty and I think he should be held accountable, but I think 10 years is way too long a sentence. I've always said that.

[A]

You said that. Yeah.

[D]

You said that. That's way too long a sentence. Yeah.

[E]

No, he's only eligible for parole after his 10 year sentences upheld.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

10 is. 10 is the minimum.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

He got to do 10.

[A]

Oh, no. I'd have rather than a New York heartbeat.

[D]

New York City.

[A]

I would have wrote a new song to Trump every day. Trump would have 365 songs. I beg your pardon. It would all be pardon flips.

[E]

Trump can't do nothing to him, can he?

[B]

It's a state.

[E]

Yeah. Trump can't do shit.

[D]

And it's California, right? Yeah.

[E]

So Gavin ain't Gavin Newsom ain't Newsome ain't doing nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Nah, dang.

[A]

He doing nothing.

[D]

That lady came out acting like she had new evidence too, remember?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

She had me hype.

[E]

I knew.

[D]

Evidence. Oh, she look all right, too. She distracted me. I said, oh, she look good. Who is this lady with new evidence?

[A]

You'd have been fine if they'd have honored the old evidence. They didn't honor. They didn't let the old evidence in.

[D]

Do you Can't. We can't really talk about it.

[A]

I'm not talking about it. I'm chilling.

[D]

Do you call it a railroad? Huh? Do you call this a railroad? Long Island. Long Island.

[A]

That's how we tried to give me on the Logan Paul pod when I went over there, tried to get me to spill all the tea on black matters. Went over to see my man Logan Paul. Shout out to Logan Paul.

[D]

What was that like?

[A]

What was it like? We had a great time. It was fun. Had a good time.

[B]

Over there.

[D]

Nice. Nice.

[B]

What's up with you?

[A]

Why. Why you making a face like that?

[D]

You don't do a lot of podcast. You don't do a lot of stuff, and this is a major white podcast. I was curious to know, like, what the vibe was like, what they asked, what you experienced was like.

[A]

I got a call and say, yeah, you want to do Logan Paul's podcast? I said, hell, yeah.

[D]

Sound like fun? Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[A]

Let's go do it.

[B]

Let's go get on some white.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Hell yeah, bro.

[E]

The crossover joke, if you say, dude, on this interview, I'm a.

[A]

And I went over. It was him and his co host, Mike. I had no knowledge of how big or small the podcast was, how big or small he was poor.

[B]

Was.

[A]

But he's a pretty big deal.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huge following.

[C]

I've never watched the show.

[A]

Huge. Am I missing something? Why y' all looking at.

[C]

He's looking down on you for sure.

[D]

I do. I would do Logan. I do that.

[A]

Would Mark.

[B]

Mark do Pierce? Bro? He would definitely do.

[D]

He would definitely do Logan Pierce Bron is a actor, right? Yeah, yeah, from double.

[A]

Mark would do Logan Paul.

[D]

Hell yeah. If you go up there, that one in my homeboy, they do mma. What's his name? Rogan. Would you take any opportunity to get some shit off Mark when you go up there? What?

[A]

What?

[D]

Yeah, I would just be me. Just like, nah, but hold on. You is two type of yous. It's Miz and Mark.

[A]

That's Miz.

[D]

No, I'd be whatever. You know what I mean? I just want to say, you can't let it out. Who's behind the camera? Where are you from? I want to say free. He start saying free. He put his hand up.

[A]

Do we get activist Mark or defend my white new brother Mark?

[D]

Oh, you. You get a little bit of both. You get a little bit of both. You get a little mix. Get a little mix.

[E]

My white new brother.

[D]

I can see it.

[A]

I told you, anybody that spelled Mark.

[E]

With a C got to watch out.

[A]

Got to watch him. You got to watch him.

[E]

Yo, activist Mark is popping out on. On one of them shows for sure. Got to he calling names. They're gonna scrap that episode. Hey, yo, when episode coming out? Yo, yo, the camera up, Mark.

[D]

They'd be doing that.

[A]

They be doing that shout out to Logan Paul, man. I'm back outside. I'm back outside this quarter.

[D]

Fourth quarter.

[A]

Come on, man.

[B]

My man got some moving around the four up the sleeve, man.

[A]

Fourth quarter. Y' all know what Time it is. I don't let y' all down.

[D]

We also go in pockets. We also go in your pocket. Fourth quarter is good for us, too.

[A]

For me.

[D]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Like, you doing good. I seen a little Supreme, a Rex or whatever you had on.

[D]

No, no, no. Don't worry about me. That look like money. You came.

[A]

He get money every time. He get a demotion?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, you. Oh, you co signing them?

[A]

No, but I know you look like.

[B]

You getting a lot.

[D]

Are you co signing the rumors?

[A]

No, the D rumors. I. To me, a demotion. A demotion means pay decrease.

[D]

That's.

[E]

That's what.

[D]

That's what.

[B]

That's what it means to me.

[A]

Yeah, I'm wrong.

[D]

Yeah. Tell me what the demotion means.

[E]

That's not a dog.

[D]

Wait, hold up. So if I'm the head coach of the Lakers and they make me assistant coach, but tell me I can keep my salary, I didn't get demoted.

[E]

You did get demoted. Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, the title changed, though.

[E]

Yeah, but it's a down. Your title went down. That's where the demotion comes from.

[A]

His title didn't change.

[B]

It's the same exact title.

[D]

I'm just saying. Money don't. You know what? These be hating on me. Double the work. And get. I came up. I'm not even mad at y'. All. And. And you cracked a joke last time.

[C]

Get him for that.

[A]

He said last time.

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

Yo, are you sure it's by choice? Should be by choice, bro. I know it's my choice.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

We saw what you said on the playback.

[D]

If I. If I. If I want to come in on Friday, I can't come here on Friday. I know you can. I did it before. What this nigga say? No, no, no, no. On Friday, I come in.

[B]

I come here this Friday, friend in the building.

[D]

I will come here this Friday if I wanted to. I bet you won't. One of my kids I with if I want the pool. You just don't want to come here fly.

[E]

He can't.

[D]

He not going to tell me nothing. He not going to tell me nothing. He's not going to say nothing. He probably never let.

[E]

Just so you know, he's done this before. You said he's probably not going. What?

[A]

What?

[B]

He had co. And no, it was.

[E]

Flip had the clause where he could. And he was like, I told Flip to go Friday.

[D]

I walk in this like Kane.

[E]

It be like, yo, no Flip today. And then what happens? Stop playing with me at 12 o' clock. I don't want nothing to do with this.

[D]

So don't act like you playing with your man, like you don't know. I come in here on Friday if I want to come here on Friday. That's important, too. I don't allow niggas that hate no disrespect. But all disrespect intended. Cause niggas gotta do double the work. Nigga, I'm just out here living. I'm trying to get to it and do my job.

[A]

That's smart.

[D]

I'm trying to put on for my music. You lose, right? Working twice as hard. Twice to pay. What that mean? Nothing. Nothing.

[B]

Yeah, I forgot.

[D]

No contract talk.

[B]

Shout out to Tory Lanez, man.

[D]

Speaking of Twice to pay, O.J. simpson's estate is about to pay $58 million. Oh, come on, please.

[E]

Let me.

[D]

Let me. Let me clarify. Let me. Let me clarify what happened. So the Ronald Goldman. Okay, you know, rest in peace. You know, he. He was obviously killed. Okay? Boyfriend. Yeah, exactly. And over time, they've been trying to get him out. The boyfriend, he wasn't a boyfriend. He wasn't.

[A]

He never proved that they was around.

[D]

Anyway, whoever was in front of that house.

[B]

Wait, hold up.

[A]

Am I missing something?

[B]

I saw every dog in the world that slap you. Wait a minute.

[D]

You ain't think that was.

[A]

I'm saying that I've seen every DOC on this matter. None of them say. And not that that means anything, but.

[B]

That'S not the story. She left something.

[A]

She left something at the restaurant front.

[B]

He saw it, brought it back. No.

[D]

Okay. This how you get cheated on. Not saying now. You're not getting cheated on now. Hey, yo, this how it looks like you get cheated on. Oh. Oh, he brought back. What?

[B]

Oh, he just brought it back. Were you driving her car? Allegedly. Yes, they were.

[C]

Allegedly.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[D]

Anyway.

[B]

Allegedly? Y' all think they was.

[A]

Please.

[D]

Are you serious right now?

[B]

Yes, you dead ass. Yo, she forgot something at the restaurant.

[D]

That he worked at the restaurant. He came out right now.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Oh. But anyway, Fred Goldman, the father of Ronald Goldman, whoever he was, what's his money? Yeah, and so they. They made a. A claim of 50 million plus interest to the O.J. simpson estate. What's interesting about this, because that's not really new, that they want money. The O.J. simpson estate, now that O.J. has passed away, has accepted the claim.

[A]

Well, no, O.J. had accepted the claim because O.J. had paid a small portion of it. So they.

[E]

Once you pay, you want to pay.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

O.J.

[A]

Paid a small portion of that civil suit. It wasn't.

[B]

If he knew that you paid a little bit.

[D]

Right. They paid him the civil suit. That, that's the. This was the resolution. Now that he's died, his estate has all this money.

[A]

Right.

[D]

They went back and made a claim for their money that. That was remaining from.

[A]

From the civil.

[D]

From the civil suit.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

What I'm saying is the O.J. simpson estate has said, yes, we will give it to you.

[E]

They, they probably. They don't have no choice, though.

[D]

They, they do have a choice to not accept the claim. They could have disputed it. This, that's what. That's the news is they've accepted the claim. But what they said dispute, though.

[E]

I'm just curious, because, again, like, if he's disputed, if O.J. is disputing whatever, once you pay on to the claim, you've accepted it.

[D]

Okay, so let me transfer. Let's take a step back, because I think. I think we're missing a point. The initial claim was for 117 million.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

Okay. That was the civil suit disposition. The estate has said we're willing to pay 58 million of it. OJ was never trying to give that. The estate is saying, we actually accept that we owe you money.

[E]

But he said OJ Paid something towards.

[D]

The civil suit, a very small amount, and then it did everything he could to block the 117 million to avoid paying it.

[E]

Okay, maybe something's different.

[D]

What was filed in Nevada court on Friday was an acceptance that we're going to give you $58 million. But they're saying in real life, we're still only gonna probably give you about a million of it. We're gonna debate back and forth. We're gonna give you about. I think he's. Let me see, pull up the exact number just so I got it right.

[B]

Right.

[D]

But I believe it was 1 million that they said they will likely end up paying. I don't see it right now. Yeah. He's still hoping to round up 500,000 to a million in total assets. Because the argument is we don't have the assets to pay you, but we'll give you between half a million and a million. Right. But the point is, at least they're going to get some of this money, because when OJ Was alive, they weren't going to see another dollar. They weren't going to see another dollar. But O.J. simpson is stake, for whatever reason, saying, we'll give you something. We'll give you a million dollars.

[E]

Okay. Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I just love that homeboy's dad is still alive.

[E]

Standing on business.

[C]

Yeah, that.

[A]

Standing on business and causing Simpson family havoc.

[B]

Yes, Yes.

[A]

I don't get. I don't think. I don't think homie even cared if he get that money. But y' all ain't just going to.

[B]

Be gallivanting around town.

[E]

My name gonna pop up.

[B]

You don't believe in this? Yeah, I'm gonna ever ask this shit.

[D]

You wasn't on the side. If the glove don't fit, then to quit. You wasn't on the side of that. You wasn't cheering back in the days. Why the fuck would you. You wasn't cheering back in the days when OJ Got off.

[E]

I was.

[D]

So what I'm saying.

[B]

So why would.

[D]

If you was cheering, why would you say you hope that he gives their family all.

[E]

I was cheering. I'm gonna keep it a buck. It's ignorant, but I'm gonna keep it a buck.

[D]

You was cheered cause he was black.

[E]

Yes, on some.

[D]

We needed a win, and we were teenagers.

[E]

Yeah. I ain't know the intricate details. We was in school, but that's a black win. That's how I looked at that.

[D]

I was the same way. I mean, right off.

[A]

L.

[D]

We caught a lot of things before, but.

[A]

Was it Rodney King? Yeah. All right. I'm mistaken. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Rodney King. Okay.

[E]

Yeah. So. So that's all I. That's all I saw. That's all a lot.

[A]

94.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Be getting my dates.

[E]

No, no, no. Wasn't that 92.

[A]

Yeah. Ronnie King was not.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

But the trial.

[D]

The resolution of trial was the fall of 95.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

That's when he got the not guilty verdict. But. And just for clarity's sake, the initial verdict was for 33 million that he was supposed to pay the family's boy. Interest has ballooned up to the 117. I just want to be clear for our.

[E]

Keep on. Every time I turn around, I'm filing. Yep, yep, yep. Y' all got some money over there.

[D]

I'mma need that.

[B]

I need about me.

[D]

Yeah. And I feel the same way y' all feel. When the verdict happened, I was happy that it was not guilty. I thought O.J. even as a kid, I thought O.J. killed. Killed them. I think O.J. killed them. Now. O.J. definitely killed those people. But. But at the. But at the time.

[E]

Allegedly.

[D]

No, I'm not saying allegedly. That don't mean he did it in the civil suit. I'm talking about. I'm talking. We're Talking about a civil suit. Right. We're talking about by preponderance of the evidence, he was found liable. I'm only talking about the civil suit, but I'm saying I can say based on the civil suit, that by preponderance of the evidence, he was responsible for their death. Lucky there, not the gay family. That's fine. I believe. I mean, I know crazy take. I believe O.J. simpson killed those two.

[E]

I think he did. But you keep saying civil suit. You know, a civil suit, you're. You're basically guilty to proving innocent anyway.

[A]

Yeah, the bars in hell, and Mark.

[D]

Knows that the bar is not in hell.

[E]

With a civil suit, you have to.

[D]

You have to be 5,149. But it has to be by preponderance of the evidence. The evidence has to be more persuasive than. Not that you did. But my point is the police didn't play fair. They cheated the process. There was no honesty in that process. There's no way you could convict O.J. simpson beyond a reasonable doubt with all of the legal cases in the legal case. So I was happy with the verdict because the police don't get to cheat and win. The system has the work. That's why I use it. I was happy for that reason, but because I still thought that OJ did it. I still felt happy to see the civil suit where they could show the evidence and say, look, clearly he did this shit. Clearly, y' all owe us the money. Now, where I think it was completely fucked up is that when OJ Got convicted for basically taking his own shit back, and they roofed him basically to make up for the old thing again. That's cheating. You know what I mean? That's what I hate about the system. They basically cheated OJ if he won, he won. You can't go back and now get him for kidnapping and stealing. That's corny to me.

[C]

Did he steal?

[D]

It was a. I don't think so. Based on what I heard, it was his shit.

[A]

Then he do that.

[D]

He stole. No, I'm answering directly. Just because I don't get an answer y' all want don't mean I'm being equivocating. I'm saying no, I don't think he stole because it was his shit, but.

[B]

It wasn't his shit.

[D]

No longer wasn't his. Mark, I understand your point. You may disagree with my analysis. What I'm saying, I'm not going. You suggested I was equivocating. I'm not. I'm saying no directly. My Answer is no. We can disagree, but I think the answer was no. I don't think OJ should have been found guilty under those circumstances. But if you believe he did it, you still shouldn't get 10 years for it. Or whatever he got.

[A]

You still got.

[E]

He got 20.

[D]

Yeah. People. People get probation for that shit. People fucking rob banks and get out faster than O.J.

[E]

Got out. That's true.

[A]

Well, we agree on this. Was the double bag for.

[D]

Yeah, of course. And that's what I said. I hate what I'm saying.

[E]

We've known. How many times have judges said, yo, if I see you again, that's your ass. That mean they counting this shit right here. When they give you the time, that's.

[D]

When you get found guilty. That way you get found not guilty. You could be like, not guilty. But if I see you again, I'm doubling it up. Like, the fuck is that?

[E]

But that was the point that we was just making. You said, yo, yo, he was guilty. And we said, no, he not guilty. And you said, he was guilty in the civil side, but not in the criminal side.

[D]

Right, Cool.

[E]

So the same judge can say, yo, dog, I thought you was guilty.

[B]

I'm a roof.

[C]

And again, if. If he's not guilty, primarily because of police misconduct, which was right and fair. If I'm the judge, I'm gonna say, you're not guilty.

[E]

You gotta.

[C]

Don't come back in here for the though.

[E]

No, you're guilty. You got off on the technicality because we. The investigation fucked it up.

[D]

You shouldn't do that. As a whole.

[A]

Was just being circular.

[D]

Gotcha. I'm just saying you should.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. And we breaking out OJ Again.

[D]

Speaking of. Speaking of money.

[C]

Never going to stop.

[D]

That's never going to stop. I just want to shout out, Mackenzie Scott, former wife of Jeff Bezos. She is now given $700 million in money to HBCUs. That's a lot of money.

[C]

That's a lot of money.

[D]

I don't care how much you worth. That's a lot of money. Into that.

[A]

A little bit.

[D]

Did you have. Who took. Who took her a visit? I'm looking too deep into that. What?

[C]

Pause.

[D]

So to speak. I'm saying who left an imprint on her.

[A]

Left.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Shout out to her, man.

[C]

Big imprint.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. No, but that's great. And the other thing is, she gave like 70 or 80 million dollars to Howard. She gave money to Spelman. That's fire. But she's not just giving money to. To the big name. Brand popular, bougie, middle class HBCUs.

[E]

Alcorn State or some shit.

[D]

Yeah, she's giving money to the HBCUs. There's over 100 HBCUs in this country. Over 110 HBCUs in this country. And most of the people only know Howard Spellman Morehouse. You know, like the big ones.

[A]

Yeah, the big ones.

[D]

And all Morgan State is they used to have some questionable admissions policies in the 90s or 80s, but there's now this moment where people are realizing there's a whole lot of HBCUs. The Dell states of the world, you.

[E]

Know what I mean?

[D]

The Lynn Lincolns, not just the Lincoln in pa, but the other Lincoln, like that, need the money. And I'm glad that she's using her money for that. That's a great way. That's almost a billion dollars in money. That's crazy.

[C]

That's amazing.

[D]

Yeah, that's it.

[E]

When you gonna get some money? When you gonna get some money?

[A]

When am I gonna get some money?

[B]

Give.

[A]

Oh, anytime. Oh, I'm always ready to go.

[D]

Give.

[B]

You think I.

[A]

Why you talk to me like that?

[B]

You think I won't give?

[E]

You said them kids all right.

[A]

Yeah, but at a certain amount I believe the children.

[D]

You talking about the prom or turkeys. If you had known about his turkey drive, you would have gave, right?

[A]

Yeah, definitely.

[D]

How many turkeys?

[A]

But he don't let. He don't like me to see that other side of him. So he wouldn't invited me.

[E]

He don't want to see politicians. What's the other side?

[D]

Politician.

[A]

Politician is.

[E]

We don't get to see that or I've.

[D]

I.

[A]

You think your affiliation with me will get you not voted.

[B]

Not vot. Not voted in.

[D]

And go there dress up next time that hoodie go up there and represent you about to be a politician.

[E]

Why would I do that?

[D]

Oh, you also.

[E]

Russell alienates the people.

[A]

O.

[D]

He good.

[E]

He got it.

[A]

He got it.

[D]

He good with them words.

[E]

He got it.

[D]

Oh, he ready. Oh, he ready. Okay.

[A]

I need to hear more for my vote. I gotta hear more.

[E]

Need to hear policy.

[D]

You gotta earn mine.

[E]

You gotta earn mine. Yo, Joe, you got hot Cheetos up here. What's going on, man?

[A]

Okay, so I don't know if anybody else cares about this as much as I do, but starting in I want to say December.

[E]

That's around the corner.

[A]

Flamin Hot Cheetos will no longer be red. They will be a new die free flaming hot Cheeto. I'm here.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

No dog, no.

[A]

Look look at the new flaming hot Cheetos.

[E]

No, no, no.

[A]

That's the new flaming hot Cheeto.

[E]

Make them shit joints.

[A]

I love y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

The white side of is coming out. What you say?

[C]

He loves Cheetos. He's trying to play.

[E]

I haven't you said Cheeto in a very long time.

[A]

You said, why don't they stop making it?

[E]

Yeah, cuz the hoes love hot Cheetos is.

[D]

I ain't know that love.

[C]

I'm also a hoe, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, it's very successful for them.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

But however, reports have come out horrible for your health.

[A]

They say your all of that your stool.

[E]

So it's Cheetos and Doritos.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Doritos. Doritos had a Flamin Hot.

[C]

No, but the nacho cheese.

[E]

But what they're saying is it should.

[C]

Say red like that.

[E]

Cheetos and Doritos go naked with new products free of artificial colors and flavors. So that's what you're talking about is the NKD on the packaging is naked, which they're not gonna have any colors. The products will be Doritos, Simply Naked nacho cheese, Doritos, Simply Naked Cool Ranch Ranch Cheetos, Simply Naked Puffs and Cheetos. Simply Naked Flaming Hot.

[A]

I like this Cool Ranch. Doritos ain't gonna be Cool Ranch no more.

[C]

No, they're not gonna have.

[D]

No, I have the blue on it.

[E]

Yeah, you need the blue on the sprinkles.

[C]

I gotta try it.

[E]

Yeah, but I'm scared because now that's how they're gonna get you because, well, you know how you can look in the bag and like, all right, Diggy season. This one good. But this one is good.

[B]

Now they all naked just that fast.

[A]

I see how artists don't want to go independent.

[D]

The other shit will still be for sale, though. They're not getting rid of.

[B]

Oh, this is a separate brand.

[A]

Yeah. No, mine say Flamin Hot Cheetos will not be red anymore. And that one I understand because they was talking about health complications.

[E]

Yeah, all of these are health. They say all of this is horrible for you.

[C]

All is horrible for you.

[E]

That's what I'm telling you. I ain't eat a Cheeto.

[D]

On the.

[E]

It says fans of the more. The more traditional Cheetos and Doritos products will still be able to purchase their favorite snacks.

[C]

If you want the poison chips, you have choices.

[E]

It's like when Doritos did them baked chits.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Can I discuss red Flaming hot cheese?

[E]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Okay. Then I was told wrong information. All is right in the world.

[E]

Yeah, we don't care about that now.

[A]

All is right.

[C]

I don't think Sweetie's ramen would have been the same.

[E]

Yeah, now you need to.

[C]

Which is important.

[A]

Yeah. I was at the store the other day, and next to it, they had this ramen soup spot.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I was hungry. It was noon, 1 o', clock, so I went in there, man. My lady. I get them ramen spots. I act like I ain't have no home drink.

[B]

What is it about the ramen? I order everything, cuz I don't know what nothing mean. Yeah, I want the chicken broth and that. The Japanese broth. I want boiled eggs. I want this noodle. I want. I ordered like a total lunatic.

[A]

And. Oh, my God, it was. No, it was great.

[E]

Ramen spotters shout out to all the.

[A]

Ramen spot out there. I ordered so much in there.

[C]

What's better f or ramen? Foe or ramen?

[E]

Ramen. What's f ramen?

[C]

Vietnamese Similar. It's similar.

[D]

I never had F. Oh, y' all gotta go to the F spot. Yeah, it's good m. Yeah, I like.

[E]

F more, but, man, FIFA fo f. Give me some ramen. You a good F. I didn't foe.

[A]

Is Vietnamese ramen crazy.

[C]

You love it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Basically, it's beef.

[A]

Usually.

[E]

I've had.

[A]

Same.

[B]

Noodle similar.

[E]

Noodle similar. Very, very thin.

[A]

See, I like a thinner noodle now.

[D]

Can't take that. Girth. Girthy.

[A]

I thought that on this podcast we was done pausing, didn't we? Didn't we?

[C]

No, that's never happened.

[E]

We told y'.

[F]

All.

[B]

I thought we voted to grow up. We did some.

[C]

Some of y' all did.

[A]

We didn't.

[C]

As a collective. No.

[A]

Shouldn't we vote again?

[C]

No.

[E]

I don't care. You can vote again.

[A]

Let's vote.

[E]

We should.

[B]

We should pause less.

[D]

No, I think we pause less than we used.

[B]

We should pause less. We do pause less.

[D]

We pause less.

[E]

Now we just look and be like, yo, come on, dog. Like, that was wild.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

I don't think we pause less, but I'm with you.

[C]

Stop saying so.

[A]

We is.

[D]

You going to school today, bro? Don't you start today.

[A]

That was the problem.

[D]

Don't you start classes today?

[E]

No.

[D]

When you start January, you said, oh, January. Oh, your college starts since, like, they do September, and then they do January.

[C]

Just start in the middle.

[D]

No, no, no. Don't they just start today? It's November. I forgot the date. It's the end of the semester.

[A]

I forgot.

[D]

I forgot. Barber College. AKA he came with.

[B]

He.

[D]

He came with his book bag. He came with a book bag. And he look like he go first day in school. So are you trying to say he trying to trick. Trick the lady?

[A]

Like.

[C]

I'm going just for the fit.

[D]

All right?

[C]

You can't wear the rugby and not have a backpack.

[A]

That's crazy.

[E]

Oh, I just had some work to do. Why the fuck?

[D]

What work you got that need a backpack?

[E]

My laptop in there.

[D]

What work you got that need a laptop?

[E]

I got a marble composition notebook in there, too, don't you?

[A]

This politician on college campus. Rapist move that you trying to pull you body.

[D]

You bodying it is.

[C]

We see your growth.

[B]

You still the same green eye, baby.

[E]

That's why he going back to school. He getting started. The student government president. He gonna start there and work his way up.

[B]

That's all it is.

[E]

That be.

[D]

That'll work.

[E]

That's how you do. I'm student body president at the.

[A]

This trying to rebrand. We not gonna know if he really did it till we get around. A dumpster in the crackhead again.

[B]

Oh, we gotta.

[A]

We gotta. We gotta see.

[D]

I gotta go.

[A]

We gotta see if he'll make the same decision.

[D]

You know what? No. All gums is. They. You shoot quick.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yo, what is wrong with y'?

[E]

All?

[D]

No dentures. It's like that. You freak boy. I slap you. See, you don't like it, say you don't like it.

[B]

Let me see. What else?

[D]

What else?

[B]

What else?

[A]

What else?

[D]

We did.

[B]

Takashi Ray J. Tory Lane.

[A]

Rock Nation. Hot Cheetos.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I didn't know that they were doing a heat too.

[C]

I've been hearing some rumblings, but they're.

[B]

Doing a Heat too. I didn't know.

[A]

And this is like the. The other day was the 30 year anniversary of heat.

[E]

Scott. Starving out here.

[B]

Yo.

[E]

Yo, that's it.

[B]

No, no, no. I'm not going to let y' all do that.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

Yo, yo, dog.

[B]

Leave this to black America. Can you let the black.

[A]

Yo. Can you let black Americans.

[D]

This Sydney Po. Do a movie. It's not the heat of the night.

[C]

We stop.

[B]

Greatest shootout ever in the daytime.

[A]

Yo, can you go to Starbucks?

[D]

What you need, gang?

[B]

I'll take a hot apple cider.

[A]

I'll take a grande hot apple cider.

[D]

Man, let it get. Bagel, you go get. You want to go to school, right? What class are you going in? Enrolling in? You should learn, right?

[A]

Cosmetology. It's going With a.

[D]

Concord.

[B]

Good money, son.

[E]

We going to jump.

[D]

I got to see what Heat is.

[A]

I forgot finally there's a sequel that we asked for. So I'm not.

[E]

I'm not for this 30 years later.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Everybody stop. Don't do that. Everybody want. Everybody wanted a sequel to Heat.

[E]

No, they didn't.

[A]

Yes, they did. Yes, they did. They did. Yes, they did.

[C]

They.

[A]

No. We wanted to come into America too.

[B]

That's what we wanted.

[D]

Definitely didn't want that.

[E]

We leave the classics alone and stop them up.

[A]

We leave the classics. We leave the classics alone home. If you going to go put little Duvall and all these other. And coming to America, shout to L.

[E]

What they going to put in Heat. Well, Val Kilmer's gone.

[A]

That's why. That's actually why I brought it up. They're eyeing. Eyeing.

[C]

You've been reading too much variety.

[D]

They're eyeing pass away.

[A]

And me and my girl spoke about this Christian Bale.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And Leonardo DiCaprio. To which my girl says she don't see what Leo could do in here.

[E]

Heat.

[A]

And I'm totally on the other side.

[E]

I mean, Leo's Leo, but my thing is Al Pacino's mad old now.

[A]

That's how aging works.

[E]

Cool. You killed Daero.

[B]

Oh, and we killed 50 Cent, too.

[A]

He came back in the next power.

[D]

Yeah. And it was great Fire believable.

[B]

They killed Cannon too.

[E]

No, they didn't.

[B]

That was Burning.

[E]

Ghost left that in there. He ain't put one in his ass. Yeah.

[D]

Yo, it's crazy. Pause the lesson.

[E]

We didn't pause it.

[C]

We didn't.

[B]

Just said let him go.

[A]

How.

[D]

How.

[A]

How are you going to get gay voters to vote for you?

[E]

You going to go by Antoine?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Vote for twan. Hey, 20. Vote for twan. I know there'd been some struggles, but I tuan. I stand with you. Swan is behind you.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

I'm voting.

[A]

What?

[D]

I vote for Ish.

[A]

No, but listen, are you working on. Are you working on it?

[D]

Please, just be honest. You don't have to do this. It's for real. All jokes aside, we're gonna make a joke, but just please, cuz this is fascinating.

[E]

I don't even know.

[C]

Turkey ain't gonna get it done.

[D]

I don't know the. Your political position that you might.

[B]

You think turkeys won't get it?

[D]

There you go. We got him.

[B]

You think Turkey?

[D]

Have you been practicing? Have you been pract the gobble gobbles? Listen. Oh, have you been working on your speech and stuff like that?

[E]

I don't know.

[D]

You know, I know. I heard they want you to work with them.

[A]

But are you. Are you worried about how you'll come across the gay?

[E]

And what.

[D]

What fear would you be in.

[E]

If.

[D]

You run for officer? What fear would you be?

[E]

How you fear at the polls?

[D]

Yo, what is your game plan, though?

[E]

I don't have a game plan. I don't know what y' all talking about. I'm not.

[D]

Come on. That won't. That won't get it done.

[E]

Yo, you should let Mark run. Be your campaign manager.

[D]

Manager.

[E]

That might work.

[D]

Yeah. You body it for real, bro.

[E]

I don't even know what you.

[B]

Here we go.

[D]

It's no secret you want be inconspicuous and like that. No secret. We know. It's clear enough. We know what you're doing, you ass. We know we down with you.

[E]

Okay?

[D]

And I'm coming to campaign. I'm on the front lines for my.

[E]

Son, like the Army Reserve, just like Ms. Fest. Do that.

[D]

If you have an issue with that. I ain't going to do. Do that.

[C]

You've been learning some tricky words while you've been gone. Chef's kiss, man.

[D]

I need to be reading on Friday. Yo, you replace your time with read time.

[E]

That's crazy.

[D]

Would you ever be honest? Because I know you do this thing where you try to downplay it. Like, all jokes aside, bro, I know.

[E]

What are you talking about?

[D]

You doing public appearances. You dressing preppy.

[E]

You're giving out turkey.

[D]

You're teaching into college. You giving out turkeys in the hood, dude, you gearing up for something.

[E]

I've done a bunch of those things for the last decade.

[D]

Go ahead, downplay what they trying to do. Halftime now. Disrespect them.

[A]

Go ahead.

[D]

Disrespect who? The people that want you to be a politician. Disrespect the company.

[E]

Yo, shut up, man.

[D]

Disrespect the niggas that fucking put you out there.

[E]

Nigga, what they put me out there to do? Give out some turkeys to some people that desperately need you. Nigga, you shaking hands with the mayor. I've shook the mayor's hand a bunch of times. I know y' all lining it up.

[D]

Up. I ain't going to lie. Can I ask you a question? If you become a politician, you think it help with the other. You can erase that? You think you can race that? I'm sorry.

[A]

All right.

[E]

My f. Yo, you got to just.

[D]

I love this. He don't give a. I don't give a. If I had it, I'LL pay for it. That's my man. Whatever you need.

[E]

Thank you, sir.

[D]

And I'll be your campaign manager. Yeah. For free. Free. Right, Mark? Yeah. I wouldn't charge a nickel.

[E]

I think we can get it done.

[D]

I have.

[A]

What is. What is going to be your campaign to the voters out there that would like rent to be affordable?

[D]

He just going to lie.

[B]

I agree with him.

[D]

I used to be a landlord. I agree with him.

[E]

He got it.

[D]

We working.

[E]

He got it.

[B]

He got what? We got.

[D]

We got it. Oh, yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

We got to work on our gay man. You can't be you killing the rich.

[A]

Let me see what else they might ask is. This is fun.

[D]

What are we going to do about the roads in Newark? The roads.

[E]

What about them?

[A]

They.

[B]

They.

[E]

They not that bad.

[D]

That ain't gonna get it done.

[E]

We gotta work on that.

[A]

Yo, some of the elderly people out there who has seen crime rise in Newark and wants to be safe and want stiffer penalties for some of these thugs, violent crimes and drug dealers especially.

[E]

Crime is down in the city of Newark.

[A]

Mm. By the time you run and it's.

[B]

Back up, it's back up.

[D]

Not running for officers.

[A]

You running for.

[D]

Shout to the people with know, bro, where's it going to be?

[E]

Where's that, bro?

[D]

Where's it going to be anyway, bro?

[A]

What I'm saying, if you run smack.

[B]

The out of you be the mayor. The mayor.

[E]

Forgot where you from.

[D]

I swear to God. Yo, yo, what is wrong?

[A]

That was funny.

[E]

East Orange.

[D]

This is.

[A]

This is fun.

[E]

Now I will think of all day now. If.

[A]

If.

[D]

If.

[A]

Ish. Run and get. And get elected. You'll hate. Tell truth. No.

[E]

Hit a scratch off.

[B]

Yes.

[E]

He going hate.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Dick Cheney to George Bush. You can be the one behind. It's just the face. Yo, listen. You got to do this, you got to do that.

[E]

Don't do that.

[B]

What?

[E]

I ain't George Bush.

[A]

Y' all look alike, though, a little.

[B]

Bit.

[A]

By the time you run.

[D]

I see the cheekbones.

[B]

This is stupid, bro. Mark, you want to run for something?

[D]

Never.

[A]

For real?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Never. You just want to campaign, take money.

[D]

I just want. I want to help people win. I'd be. I'd rather be behind the scenes. My fullest.

[A]

We voting for ish.

[B]

Shut up.

[D]

Hey, yo, Joe had a question.

[B]

Yeah. Why he lied on this?

[D]

You have a lot of. I've been asked to run a million times. I say no. No.

[E]

What they ask you for, Junior Councilman.

[D]

Vice president of the Green Party. On the Green Party ticket.

[A]

I was asking don't step on issues. Funny joke, Junior councilman.

[B]

You always do that smart Junior councilman.

[D]

This stupid yo come true. President of the comptroller, Vice president of the United States Green Party in the Green Party ticket. Yeah.

[E]

All right, so one. You could actually win.

[D]

Yeah. No, I don't want to do it. I have no desire. I could have run for mayor of Philadelphia if I wanted to. Okay, there we go. And I would. I think I would have won.

[A]

No, you couldn't.

[C]

Yes, he could.

[D]

Watch your mouth.

[E]

You might go to Philly.

[A]

I mean, anybody could run like. Like Sleea.

[D]

I be the Curtis Sleea of Philadelphia. Might be.

[B]

Get you a little parade. I thought you had a green.

[E]

I thought you got a shot in Philly.

[B]

It's going to be a shot. Oh, it's going to be a shot.

[D]

If he get up there, you say, think that pepper spray with some. Oh, that was just a warning.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Yo, hey, Joe, I had a question.

[B]

Joe, look, my favorite part of the show.

[D]

No, no, no, for real. Like, it's a topic up there. Charging your friends. So when is it okay to charge your friends? I mean, two people that came up together, you know what I mean? Y' all both successful, and back in the days, you might have done something for them for free.

[B]

Is that up there you free charging your.

[D]

Charging your friends?

[E]

Third one from the bottom.

[D]

Yes. And then both of y' all up.

[B]

I said that. I looked.

[E]

I saw you.

[A]

I saw your eyes.

[E]

Go get stupid.

[B]

I'm, like, dumb.

[A]

Went like this. No, for real.

[D]

Anyway, I'm sorry, but no. Both of y' all are up, but yes, but they still want you to do things off the humbug. When is it okay to charge them? Or when is it okay to say no?

[A]

You want some nitrous?

[E]

What's the thing?

[D]

No, I mean, like, what if I'm.

[E]

Good at your way?

[D]

Yo, Flip, I want you to do this content piece for me. It's something that I get paid in doing. Wait, how? Oh, I'm sorry.

[A]

Go ahead.

[D]

Something I get paid in doing. Both up position. One of them might be. One of us might be up in the it up. Yes, we both are.

[E]

We both do this for Imani for free, bro.

[D]

No, it has nothing to do with Imani. I'm just saying I noticed that a lot of people. You can just talk to him direct. I noticed that a lot of people. You have to put us through this whole rigorous. A lot of people that I. That, that. That helped me in the beginning. They helped me in the beginning. Yeah. Now that I'm in a position that I'm in. Don't want to pay me. They don't want to pay me. This loyalty. I'm.

[E]

So these your people, or is it just you?

[D]

Just back in the days when I was coming.

[E]

Coming up. No, you just said they helped me.

[D]

Nah, I ain't pay them.

[E]

All right, then. So what, the. Return the favor.

[D]

But. No, no, listen. Help me. By making me be in the video shoot or making me be in the. Help me become visible. All right, cool.

[E]

Let me ask. Let me.

[D]

Cool. I'm up. And what I'm doing. My field is numbers, and I'mma do it for free, but how many freebies do I give them?

[E]

This is my question to you. The person asking you, what is your relationship? Who is with them? Oh, this your man's?

[D]

It's my. It don't matter.

[E]

No, that matters.

[C]

It also depends on the lift. I feel like, what are they asking you to do? Is it going out or is it.

[E]

Something that's outside of you?

[C]

That, too.

[D]

It's a lot of factors here. Okay. Okay.

[C]

And do they need it by a certain time? Like, sometimes I'll do favors for people, but it's like, we don't need it right away.

[D]

And I was. I was talking to you earlier, both of you earlier, about. I was saying that's like the Cameron and Mace thing, but y' all corrected me and said no, because Mace was saying, let's get the money from the lake people.

[A]

Right, Right.

[E]

So I would say I'm not charging you. Yeah, charging.

[C]

Still him charging it, but.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Depending. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[C]

Industry math.

[D]

But. But that's when I start to feel away when people ask me to do favors on the basis of our friendship, when the money's not even theirs. Like, I got friends who will work at companies or universities. But can you come speak for free? And it's like, you my man. Yeah, I'll come speak for free as my man. But the company has a budget.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

And they just gave this white person and 40,000 to speak.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You might look better to your company, but I can get. Market my hill for free. But come on, bro. Now, this is what I do. To your point. This is what I do for a living. So that's the shit. I know you got the bread or.

[C]

If I was gonna pay someone else to do the thing.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Like, maybe it's not the same rate that you would pay me. I'll give you something, though.

[E]

It's taking Advantage of your friend name press to look good to the company.

[D]

So then when do you risk the friendship and say, yo, come on, my nigga, like, what we doing? Do you risk the friendship in doing that? Cause I know you got the bread counting pockets. I just know. Know you may have came up. I just know you got the bread. And you start to question yourself. Do you really value my time?

[A]

You say counting pockets and then count pockets.

[E]

Not just that, yo, if it's your friend and you could do something to help your friend and catapult them to a better situation, why wouldn't you? I look at that like I'm doing it for.

[A]

The only way to keep what you have is by freely giving it.

[B]

Like, why wouldn't you do that, man?

[D]

Y' all niggas playing his mind. What the you talking about? That's your game to get from looking out more.

[A]

Who look out? All you niggas overcharging me. You talking about.

[D]

Okay, we ain't talking to that. When.

[B]

Okay, go ahead.

[D]

Stop the record.

[A]

See?

[D]

Come on, Joe. We over get to.

[B]

All right, we're cool.

[D]

We overcharging. Cool. Do you understand what I'm saying?

[A]

Controversy, yes.

[D]

Do you feel like at any point a person should charge their friend when y' all both are up? Like, this is what I do. How many favors do I give based off of loyalty and friendship?

[A]

I see it both ways.

[E]

I see.

[A]

I understand both ways. So there's no wrong answer for me. If we both up, up, then, yeah, you ask me to do a service, you're gonna pay me for it. Or we both are doing great. I've done for you for free or you've done for me for free. Now you turning the corner, looking for the feature for feature. Right? I understand both ways, depending on how you want to carry it. If it's my friend, I'm not getting offended either way.

[E]

Or if it's my friend, I might not charge you my rate. Like, you can get it for the cheap.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Get it for the cheat. If you're my friend, I mean, I'll.

[A]

Do it, but I mean, do you want. You want me to do it soon?

[C]

That part, too.

[E]

All of that matters.

[C]

The time frame matters.

[B]

Like, if you need me to jump because you're my friend, I'll do it.

[A]

But do you want to skip the line of the people that's paying?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'll get to it quick. So, I mean, it depends how you want to carry. I got you.

[A]

Oh, man. All right.

[B]

I don't think I have anything else.

[A]

I know we have Draymond angel up there. Mark's favorite topic. You got anything on that?

[D]

I just was wondering what the line is for the insult. So Draymond was in the NBA game playing and getting heckled by a fan. Players get heckled all the time. Eventually, we saw him confront the fan, and they start having a little back and forth in front of the fan. And after the game, they asked him, draymond, what got you so upset? Cause he's like. Draymond seemed to be involving the referees. At one point, they were saying he was trying to get the fan removed. There's been some debate about that, but the very least, he was upset and bringing the official in, like, make this dude stop. At the very least. And when they asked him after the game what happened, he said, well, he kept calling me a woman or calling me a woman's name. What we found out was the guy was saying, hey, Angel Reese. He kept referring to Draymond as Angel Reese because of how he was shooting and how he was playing. And for Draymond, that was crossing, like, crossing a line. Line. I don't know. I. I want to know, like, what is this funny? It's good insult. Very funny.

[E]

That's funny.

[D]

That's a good insult.

[C]

It's also not an insult, sort of, but it is.

[D]

It is if you missing layups. Yeah, it is if you miss. But to me, she's a Hooper, so if you call me Angel Reese, I don't care if you call me Angel Reese, I don't care if you call me Moses. If I'm missing, I'm missing, right? To me, it's not more of an insult. To me, it's funnier with Angel Reese, but it seemed to set him off.

[E]

A little already frustrating because I'm. I'm frustrated cuz I missing. And now you call.

[D]

Is that crossing the line, though?

[E]

No. No, it's not crossing the line. I remember I used to go to the. To Georgetown games and Philly games. They would be calling Allen Iverson a jailbird. They would call that all types of names. Ask NBA players what they were called. You yo, Ask NBA players what they were called in Utah or Boston.

[C]

Boston.

[A]

Boston.

[E]

You get what I'm saying? Like, Jason call you Andrew Reese. They call your family in Boston.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Overstepping your boundaries by calling you Angel Reese.

[D]

That's how I felt.

[A]

Funny.

[E]

See, Draymond went over there to that tall white boy, stood up, I think was like 692 like, then it became a conversation.

[D]

Became a conversation then, like.

[E]

Yeah, I'm just saying you're a little too far, Brad. Different.

[B]

Different now. You know what I mean?

[E]

N. I don't think he went too far. Me neither. At all.

[A]

All right, I got a part of the show, and I got to. End of the show. Part of this show is from a gentleman named DTY85. Shout out to him.

[E]

I think.

[D]

Yeah, ain't that the art, Simon?

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Oh, awesome. Then shout.

[A]

Shout out to him. But he says it's pretty interesting. In a film called About Time, the main character accompanied his friend on a blind double date. When they entered the restaurant, they were greeted and explained to that the entire waitstaff was blind and their entire experience will happen downstairs in complete darkness. During the dinner, they were seated across from two ladies they would only see.

[B]

At the end of the dinner when they got outside.

[A]

Obviously, most of the cast is in.

[B]

A relationship, but hypothetically, would you go.

[A]

On a truly blind date of that nature? Much love, James. Nope.

[D]

Yep.

[E]

I think that's fire.

[B]

Yeah, we need more creative date ideas.

[E]

I think that's fire. I need to see this first hotel.

[D]

But I'm married. I ain't gonna do that.

[E]

And I think. And I think that we, in real relationships, we kind of get jaded by the physical shit so much, you know what I mean? And the glitz and glam, like, dude got a fly car. Dude was iced out. Dudes was. You know what I'm saying? That the real meat and potatoes shows.

[A]

We.

[E]

We kind of forego that nowadays, especially in this society.

[A]

Like a good date.

[E]

Yeah, it's just like, yo, like coffee. I just read some the other day. A girl's like, yo, I think a dude disrespected me. If he take me to coffee, that means he's not valuing me all my time.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's crazy.

[A]

23 year olds don't be liking coffee, man.

[E]

I just think that, yo, a real date is getting to know the person talking and pow. Allen. To see if we are even compatible for a prostitute. Prostitute culture kind of changed. Yeah, you're right.

[B]

You're right.

[E]

So I think that's fly.

[B]

I. I would do this just sitting.

[E]

Across from the table. You can't see him, and y' all just chopping it up. I think that's why it hurts.

[A]

If you go outside and then you look at the person, you're not attracted to them. You never got to see them again. It's just a fly day. A day could be a Great experience.

[E]

Or they won you over with their personality and you do want to see them again because now the intangible shit is better.

[A]

That's dope. When does that happen?

[D]

That don't happen.

[A]

When do they win us over with their personalities?

[D]

You know, they did somebody based off their personality more. Yeah, but I did not find them attractive at all.

[E]

I got first before anything.

[D]

Yeah, Yeah. I ain't never seen. Yeah.

[E]

I'm not attracted to you. It's only.

[D]

So you never did unattractive woman face wise once. Cause I was trying some new shit and it didn't work.

[F]

Work.

[D]

I couldn't do it.

[B]

You freaky, huh? Exactly.

[E]

Huh.

[D]

I ain't got headphones on.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Sorry.

[A]

Ice. They put you on the Reddit big screen for following the disabled baddies.

[B]

Huh?

[D]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

What kind of disability?

[C]

This has been such a good show.

[E]

What kind of disability?

[D]

That's the freaky ass.

[B]

Look, look.

[A]

Disabled cuties.

[D]

I gotta look. I love this nigga Freeze.

[B]

Look at Freeze.

[D]

He don't give a fuck, yo. He like no legs, no problem. Yo. Yo, let me see.

[A]

Well, that's a picture of it.

[D]

Oh, with no freeze.

[E]

I don't see the problem. Y' all discriminating.

[D]

No, I think it's dope.

[B]

That's what it sound like.

[E]

It sounds like it's being discriminatory on.

[A]

The so on brand for Freeze. Freeze.

[B]

You follow the disabled battery these.

[E]

If she's kissing face, I'll follow.

[C]

That's dope.

[D]

Even if that's it.

[B]

That's it.

[D]

I just follow. No, no, I mean that's it. That's it.

[E]

I don't give a. I'm not trying to link.

[B]

None of y' all will they can they link?

[E]

No. Yes. Yes.

[D]

That's dark even for me. God damn. Yeah, that was up.

[E]

That was up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's going to lie.

[D]

I like that breeze. I love you, nigga.

[A]

I'm going.

[D]

Yeah, it try new things. Sometimes we got to just spice up more.

[A]

Come on, Freeze. Yo, we can freeze.

[D]

Why would somebody look at Freezes like.

[A]

Denzel over there too?

[B]

Over there.

[D]

King Calm. He got on me.

[B]

N over there Freezes Hemothy to the disabled baddie.

[E]

Shout out to my baby. I love you, baby.

[B]

I'm hemothy to you and you only.

[E]

I'm hemity to you and you only, my love.

[D]

I be looking like the man when I walk through.

[B]

That's inappropriate. He be looking like the man when they roll through. He be looking like the man when they roll through.

[A]

I love you so bad. He is crazy.

[D]

Why would niggas find that like how they see you follow that page. They pay attention to everything.

[E]

I don't like that.

[D]

That's all they do.

[C]

Cuz someone else was following the page and saw his name on the picture.

[D]

That's what really happened. That's how he got cold with his hand in the cookie jar. Look at his face.

[B]

Turn it right in.

[D]

He's taking shades off.

[E]

My shades been off for an hour.

[D]

My.

[B]

He did take his shades off. Hey, they turned him into Nick. Ch.

[D]

Oh yo. Oh.

[A]

Whatever you into, yo. Whatever you're into, don't kick shame we don't do that up here.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Heist is the greatest. He really is.

[D]

Why would you say that though, Joe?

[B]

No, cuz, I. I seen it.

[D]

Let me follow that page too.

[B]

But wait, now I know that.

[A]

Freeze. Never mind. But freeze from back in the day.

[B]

Has he's never hid his love for the disabled business baddies.

[E]

That's. What are you talking about?

[D]

Okay, that's dope. Wait, that's fire dog. That's not a disability. Watch your mouth, little people. I mean it's in the same cousins.

[B]

Hey, they're not that. Hey, if you look like them and you and you like them, then the.

[D]

Are you talking the is he talking about? I thought that was his bag.

[E]

It's not his bag.

[D]

There's nothing wrong with that.

[C]

I think it's awesome.

[D]

Yeah, I think it's dope too, man.

[E]

Shout outs to all the cute women out there.

[D]

You can't follow a page in peace. Caught free.

[B]

You need a burger.

[D]

I'm freeze. You should get a burger. Go Icicles is some like that.

[E]

Promise I won't have no burner.

[D]

Yeah, check. Check the text. Check the text.

[B]

Keep doing that.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

That was hilarious.

[A]

And there's nothing wrong with that.

[E]

All.

[A]

All us in here have said that. Well, for those of us that know that we'll. The one armed chick that that used to work in Sin City Amani used to be trying to battle me over the.

[D]

Was that you the chick?

[B]

Yeah, everybody was. Everybody, everybody.

[D]

I saw him with the chicken wing fire.

[A]

Now her whole going she look right too. The. The out that one arm girl. Anyway. All right.

[C]

I know you got a little more hov in there or something.

[A]

Oh, not at all, man. I'm playing Jermaine Jackson.

[C]

There we go.

[A]

It's over.

[B]

Yes, it was a good show.

[C]

It was.

[D]

And now put respect. It was a real good show.

[A]

Ice is huge to them.

[E]

Oh my God.

[B]

What a long.

[D]

He'S a hunk. They use words like hunk.

[C]

To my baby.

[D]

I love you good time. He is so. What a stunt. What is that?

[B]

Oh my God.

[D]

Horrible. He look huge. Tell.

[B]

Tell a freeze. A disabled baddie.

[E]

Should be deep shout outs to my baby. Stop.

[A]

Jo.

[D]

He got a girl.

[B]

When you really mean business, you get out that chair. Oh, that's why you be in the wheelchair in the airport.

[D]

You freaky.

[A]

You freaky.

[B]

Get in. Yo, good episode today, man. Real good episode.

[E]

Great episode.

[B]

Good energy, good vibes all around the boy. Hold up, let me ask you. Let me guy get his bag. You got your whole life ahead of you.

[A]

You know about the vehicle.

[B]

Now it's gone.

[D]

So it's time you keep moving on E go.

[A]

Listen, man.

[B]

Hopefully you've enjoyed this episode as much.

[A]

As we enjoyed delivering it to you.

[B]

Shout out to the first and last time listeners. Hey, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you a do farewell. Adiosa renderi asta la vista. R V. Why so long? Goodbye or a simple head no will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments.

[A]

And moments pass.

[B]

So let's make this one last as if it's all we have a.

[D]

Ego.

[B]

Lastly, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed.

[A]

Minded women want you to teach some things.

[B]

Grab you a top.

[A]

You just might need it. You never know.

[B]

What's up with y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

What y' all get into this week? What y' all get into this week?

[A]

Anything fun. Anything fun.

[B]

Anything lit. Anything not fun. Anything I need to know about.

[D]

You just see it when we do it.

[C]

Chilling, chilling, chilling.

[D]

You'll see when we do it.

[A]

You'll see when we don't smack the out of you.

[D]

I don't want a problem.

[B]

You just see who you talking to.

[D]

Never tell you. Especially our men. He could have said that like I'm gonna do a turkey drive. He didn't say no.

[A]

Well, he won't tell us. Mark could tell us sometime. I'm going to speak of Tuskegee and.

[B]

Wherever the he be at. I'm going to Chicago.

[D]

Hey, you down to Chicago, Mitchell? Yeah, I'm chilling this week.

[A]

All right. We chilling.

[B]

Man. Y' all lucky. Yo, y' all can go outside. Them boy. Them boys will be inside. Yeah, I mean, being responsible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean being with our families and kids and all that. Y. Y' all can add the streets.

[A]

This weekend, you know, I mean, on my baby free weekend, they'll pack it up.

[B]

Hey, actually, hold up.

[A]

Trying to act like Jermaine ain't got joints, man. These talking about. Hey, come on, man.

[B]

Little Jermaine. Little end this with a little Jermaine for the heads out there.

[A]

And then we going.

[B]

Y' all hold it down. Y' all hold it down, man. We'll be back same time, same place this week. And until next time, stay safe. I was crazy for you. You were crazy for me. How could something so right go so overall? And he closes the show just like he. You never heard of joe bud? We'll fold that up right now.

[A]

God damn it.