Episode 883 | "Not Violins"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 883 | "Not Violins"

Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Joe Budden
Co-hosts: Queens Flip, Ish, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, Freeze, Parks, others

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Episode Overview

Episode 883 dives into a broad range of topics, blending the show's signature humor, irreverent banter, and insightful discussion. The crew reflects on family stories, hot current events, the new Netflix “Puff Daddy” documentary, music industry news, morality, and personal anecdotes. The tone oscillates between comedic, heartfelt, occasionally contentious, and always engaging, reflecting the unique group dynamic.

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Notable Segments & Discussion Highlights

1. Queens Flip and the Parent-Teacher Night Incident

[01:21 – 04:00]

• Flip recounts attending his daughter's parent-teacher night, where she confronted her teacher for saying “Negro” excessively during a Negro League lesson. Flip felt torn between championing her advocacy or telling her to chill.
• The table jokes about generational differences and whether Black students should push back in these classroom contexts.
• Notable Quote:
  “Some battles you could battle and some not. But she said that. She said it like seven times. She counted it. And you pressing teachers.”
  — Queens Flip [02:28]

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2. “Snow Police” & Life as a Landlord

[06:47 – 13:17]

• The crew debates loving or hating snow, shoveling, and how people in the group treat winter. It devolves into jokes about who really shovels snow, who pays someone, and landlord responsibilities.
• Ish claims he shovels for his tenants, while others tease him.
• Memorable Moment:
  The group insists Ish can’t possibly be out here shoveling, vivid imagery and laughter abound.
• Quote:
  “You're not out there shoveling, boy... Y’all niggas be lying.” — Queens Flip [08:35]

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3. Dreams and Subconscious Stress

[13:34 – 16:36]

• Joe describes a vivid dream featuring podcast guests, Dr. Umar, and a raucous party, eventually derailed by a fight outside.
• The gang reflects on not remembering dreams as they age, attributing it to stress and adulthood.
• Notable Quote:
  “Do y’all dream a lot? Yeah...If they go out, as soon as I wake up, it's over.” — Ish [13:46]

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4. In-Depth Review: Puff Daddy ‘Reckoning’ Docuseries

[27:50 – 56:59]

• Timecode Span: A significant, thorough segment on the Netflix documentary, The Reckoning: Puff Daddy, produced by 50 Cent.

• Joe summarizes the four-episode arc:

  • Ep. 1: Puffy’s formative years, early hustle, record industry beginnings.
  • Ep. 2: Relationship with Biggie, blame dynamics between East/West coast, the deaths of Biggie/Pac, and shifting narrative responsibility onto Puff.
  • Ep. 3 & 4: Women in Puff’s life, relationships with Cassie, Kim Porter, Danity Kane, and the dark underbelly – including damning allegations, behind-the-scenes footage, and lingering misogyny/power dynamics.

• Critical Discussions:

  • The use and legality of archival/personal footage — was it stolen or legit? The director claims legal rights; Puff’s camp objects.
  • The morality of airing dirty laundry, painting Puff as “the guy who got away with everything.”
  • Nuance about Puff’s genius, drive, possible fear dynamics among those near him, and the mystique he cultivated.
  • Whether the doc is a malicious “hit piece” or a necessary exposé.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “This one did more. It basically blames Puff for Biggie and Pac.” — Joe Budden [29:56]
  • “My point is it's a very well done piece. Dope. It's a very well…” — Joe Budden [28:27]
  • “It left me saying, I just wish he had, like, real friends at some point. But when you making that much and you worth that much, you don't get that.” — Joe Budden [43:12]

• Memorable Wrap-Up:
  The crew debates if 50 Cent, as a music/TV mogul, is justified in producing the doc given his history of beef with Puff, and if hip-hop’s “code” is still relevant.

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5. Nuanced Morality, Family, and Loyalty

[59:00 – 66:00]

• Prompted by the doc’s themes and personal stories, the crew debates:
  • Would you turn in your own child for a heinous crime?
  • Is morality absolute, or does “nuance” (and personal closeness) soften our standards?
• Joe stands firm on accountability; others show the expected “parental blind spot.”
• Quote:
  “Our capacity for nuance expands the more we love somebody, I think.” — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill [60:18]

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6. Prize Picks Segment / Fantasy Football Woes

[75:25 – 78:57]

• Humorous rundown of weekly fantasy picks, tales of fantasy heartbreak, and playful trash talk.
• A break from the heavy material and a dose of the lighthearted group energy.

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7. Mark Lamont Hill vs. Brian McKnight Sr.: Journalism or Petty?

[81:00 – 90:55]

• Mark discusses his Patreon interview with Brian McKnight Jr. and Julie McKnight, following public drama with Brian McKnight Sr.
• Group jests about “doubling down” for views, the line between journalism and messiness, and whether “safe spaces” for interviews are ever truly neutral.
• Quote:
  “If somebody reaches out and says, hey, the family wants to be able to tell their side. I want to be able to give...” — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill [82:52]

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8. Russell Wilson and the "Lame" Narrative

[138:07 – 146:11]

• Discussion of an ex-teammate’s story about Russell Wilson’s “weird” (catered, family-lite) Thanksgiving; examination of why Russ draws so much hate for being “square,” clean-cut, and God-fearing.
• Deliberation about authenticity, Black masculinity, and cultural expectations.
• Quote:
  "A lot of the hate I see ain't about that. It's not that." — Freeze [144:08]

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9. Current Music, Battle Rap, and New Releases

[193:13 – 204:28]

• Recap of Max B’s controversial club performance, his apology, and the responsibility of DJs not to stir old beefs.
• Praise for Stove God Cooks’ new material; response to critiques that he's “out of his lane.”
• Brief anticipation of Game's upcoming project and an in-joke about battle rap personalities.

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10. Morality Games: A Trillion Dollars or 10 Minutes with God?

[209:35 – 217:08]

• The group tackles a viral hypothetical: Would you take a trillion dollars or 10 minutes in conversation with God/Jesus/Allah?
• Most choose the money, reasoning that faith entails they’ll see God anyway, or they already “talk” to Him. Joe plays devil’s advocate, questioning their priorities.
• Quote:
  “Your biggest enemy isn't the industry. It's the version of you that believes you're running out of time.” — Cited by Joe [207:59]

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Lighter Moments, Running Jokes & Chemistry

• Insult Olympics: Constant ribbing—be it on wardrobe, weather preferences, or childhood “train” (group sex) stories.
• "Salute" Bit: Flip describes congratulating friends on sexual prowess in the group setting – which is met with ridicule.
• Frank Sinatra's Alleged Anatomy: A detour into legendary Hollywood penis rumors and sauna etiquette.
• Mark's "Part-time" Status: Ongoing gags about rotation of co-hosts, guest bookings, and whose perspective is “needed.”
• Musical Outro: Soulful signoff and a reminder to "keep us in your prayers," to which Joe jokes "—some of us! Just me and Ish!"

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Memorable Quotes

• “No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.”
  — Joe Budden [00:00]
• “Our capacity for nuance expands the more we love somebody, I think.”
  — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill [60:18]
• "Your biggest enemy isn't the industry. It's the version of you that believes you're running out of time."
  — Joe Budden, quoting an LA producer [207:59]
• “It's not the wild, wild West. You can't just start doing and saying anything out here. If we are media, we got to be held to a certain standard.”
  — Joe Budden [135:03]
• “Just show up crazy. It left Me saying, I just wish he had, like, real friends at some point.”
  — Joe Budden (on Puff) [43:12]

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High-Energy Debates (Timestamps)

• The Puff Doc Discussion: [27:50 – 56:59]
• Morality & Turning in Family: [59:00 – 66:00]
• Hypothetical: God vs. Money: [209:35 – 217:08]
• Max B Performance Fallout: [191:00 – 198:28]

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Conclusion

Episode 883 is a textbook Joe Budden Podcast—personal stories, sharp debates, hip-hop culture deep-dives, and plenty of friendly antagonism. The highlight is an in-depth, reflective analysis of the Puff Daddy documentary and the larger cultural questions it poses about Black excellence, power, and accountability. Lightened with jokes about snow, dreams, landlord skills, and group sex etiquette (“salute!”), it’s an unfiltered window into the enduring chemistry of Joe and friends.

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For Listeners:
If you’re looking for a mix of real-life dilemmas, music industry insight, and the kind of wild, hilarious pod banter that only the JBP crew can deliver, episode 883 is a must-listen. Be prepared for belly laughs, strong opinions, and moments that make you question your own beliefs.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast, as well as its hosts, offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Queens Flip]

I hate when I know that was something like you're not happy to see me, bro. I told you when I spoke through the Internet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm so happy to see you got cold though, huh?

[Queens Flip]

You don't want to talk to me because you feel I got a cold. That's just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a new.

[Queens Flip]

I don't want to get all these new lines of not wanting to speak to a communicate.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you got a cold. Saying Mark ain't really, really kicking it.

[Queens Flip]

Hold on, let me get my shades too. I'm on pure today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've never seen you're look.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Techno.

[Ish]

A little Stevie, but yeah, a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nerdy that you went to the imax.

[Freeze]

Oh.

[Queens Flip]

You being there.

[Joe Budden]

Some shit they give you after the hot dog.

[Queens Flip]

You being in the back. I know your type. Hey, girl, you know. Oh, yeah, they married. Pardon me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One of us is. Yeah, to both.

[Joe Budden]

Both.

[Queens Flip]

How you doing, man?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's good to see you, brother.

[Queens Flip]

Likewise, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love you, Flip.

[Queens Flip]

I love you too, man. Got a complaint though, yo. Just wanna act. Can I start off asking Mark some questions, yo?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please.

[Queens Flip]

Listen. So I just wanna let you know I'm on pure bullshit today, but as opposed to you. Yeah, my norm contemplative face. Yesterday I went to parents.

[Ish]

Yeah, she's very serious.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, yesterday I'm with the parents. Teacher. My daughter had the nerve to pull her teacher to the side after school because he kept saying that the word Negro after teaching about the Negro League. Now I had to tell her like, I almost called you to tell my daughter to calm. Like, he's teaching about the Negro League. She said he used the word negro excessively. You can't pull a teacher. Who the fuck you think you are?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What kind of Ken though, was she saying like, you Negro, sit down.

[Queens Flip]

Huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, was it like after he was the lecturer?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, she said that. She said, daddy, I understood he was explaining it, but he used it excessively. I'm looking at Princess like, wait, I stand with Princess. He's talking about the Negro League and you talking. I didn't like that. I felt the way real quick. I felt a little racist towards my daughter. I almost sold out Kwalz. I Was almost on your side, but not cause you with us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's this? I'm gonna say I felt the way. It's Ricky over here.

[Queens Flip]

No, but what I'm saying is I felt the way in my mind. It's like, come on, princess. Like some battles you could battle and some not. But she said that. She said it like seven times. She counted it. And you pressing teachers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you were at parent teacher night.

[Queens Flip]

I was at parents teacher night, yeah. So I almost called you to see if she did something right. Cause I didn't know if I wanted to scold her or champion her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Champion your daughter, man.

[Queens Flip]

And then I came in there with the Malcolm X hood. Oh, this family's on pure. But I'm not. I'm with y' all a little bit. You know what I'm saying? So that happened yesterday, man, I was tired a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

Joe, I'm sorry, what grade?

[Queens Flip]

Say it again.

[Joe Budden]

What grade?

[Queens Flip]

11Th. She's a junior.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, whoa. As a junior, I was observing things. Wait, I was never a junior.

[Queens Flip]

So, no. My question is that if the teacher's teaching about the nbl, the Negro, whatever, the nlb, is he not supposed to use the word Negro?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'm laughing because of all the things they could teach about us. They in there talk about they played baseball, the school system, and how they represent black people. Come on, don't start me today. Don't start me today. Please, not today. I'm in a good mood. I saw Imani ask Parks the hard hitting questions.

[Ish]

All eyes on me. All eyes on me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, what's up with y', all, man? What's up, man, you be in here for too long before you say, what up? Man, you be in it for like 30 minutes before me and you even speak to each other.

[Queens Flip]

That's the old school bag.

[Joe Budden]

I hate when he get a shape up.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you look good. We acknowledge it.

[Joe Budden]

You got the clarity sweats on.

[Queens Flip]

I thought you was a to pull the gun on the barber. He light skin like you, but you good.

[Freeze]

I just saw it.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you look good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

How much. How much is that hoodie?

[Ish]

That's vintage, man.

[Freeze]

Like a gift.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A G. $1,000. $1,000 for a hoodie?

[Freeze]

What it do?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not being. I'm fucked up.

[Freeze]

Like they got wings or some shit.

[Joe Budden]

What it do?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bulletproof. Niggas getting money in here. A thousand. I respect it. I was. That's not my world.

[Queens Flip]

You know his closet N, he got like 30k worth of clothes. Nigga, he that nigga just hoodies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but I knew a lot of them was like that. That's that Ish merch. But I didn't know you had like thousand dollar hoodies in that shit, man. That's what's up, man. Must be nice.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, this freeze.

[Joe Budden]

How you doing, man?

[Freeze]

I'm great, man. Glad to be here. How y' all doing?

[Ish]

Feel great.

[Joe Budden]

Am I good?

[Ish]

Feeling great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was sick, but now I'm over it. I feel good, man.

[Freeze]

I thought I was getting sick again, but not.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, I definitely got a little chest cold. Sore throat is coming.

[Freeze]

Whole house coughing.

[Joe Budden]

They gonna keep sending a fucking kid over this.

[Freeze]

It's the kid.

[Joe Budden]

And not say a word. I had enough one time and said something back. I tried to fight up for dad rice like your dog. They. Huh. Huh?

[Freeze]

They gonna send the kid? No. Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, the kid primarily with them.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha. I don't get it. Anyways, way to step on a moment with this. You just got with muteness. This. Yes, they'll send. I said. What the did I say? This guy throw me off for this stupid. He just did. He be body. Oh, I say, yep. I can't get sick. As the nigga that's out here working and moving around, I don't have time to get sick. I'm the last person that both of us should want to get sick. Talking about, but you're a dad. But you're a fuck. Why get the why. I order anyway. I'll be fine, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, so you send your kids to school sick on purpose.

[Freeze]

How sick?

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Freeze]

How sick is the. No fever.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, maybe. Or light fever. You're going to school okay?

[Joe Budden]

Yep. The daytime nanny.

[Freeze]

You going to school, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, school.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do it too. I ain't know if I was the only long.

[Freeze]

Ain't no fever if you do it.

[Ish]

Stomach hurt.

[Freeze]

Don't worry about it. You be all right. You be all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My son was caught. I had to give him a steroid to stop the cough.

[Freeze]

God damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but it was good. I just needed to stop till he got through the door. Once I hit 80, I was good.

[Queens Flip]

He's yours.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's on y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. And it's that weather and it's supposed to snow. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

They said state of emergency or some. Over a little snow.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I miss the snow.

[Ish]

Yeah, me too.

[Freeze]

All right. Y' all got have that.

[Queens Flip]

Just saying I miss the snow.

[Ish]

I like a little bit snow.

[Queens Flip]

What you miss about it?

[Joe Budden]

I'm a New Yorker.

[Queens Flip]

I know what you true.

[Joe Budden]

True and true. I I'm here for the change of weather, the contrast. Seasons changing. It's a beautiful thing.

[Freeze]

Are you going. I can have winter without the snow.

[Queens Flip]

Are you going out there?

[Joe Budden]

We've had winters without the snow, and I'll take that. They ain't really been winterish to me.

[Ish]

It don't got to be a blizzard. Snow, just some snow.

[Queens Flip]

Are you going out to play in the snow?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not going.

[Queens Flip]

All right, so you don't miss the snow. Are you gonna sit outside? Okay, well, let me see.

[Joe Budden]

I might sit outside.

[Freeze]

Yeah. Let me see.

[Joe Budden]

I might sit on the balcony. I might. I might take a trip. I might go to Colorado somewhere.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Who the fuck are you talking. I love the snow.

[Queens Flip]

All right, let me see. That's what.

[Joe Budden]

It's snow police word.

[Queens Flip]

Because niggas just be saying, shit, man, I miss the snow. No, you don't miss the snow.

[Joe Budden]

No. You could go to. Y' all can move to Florida or somewhere where sun is out all year.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's me.

[Freeze]

Nah, I don't want that either.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I could live in LA, I would. I would be there 12 months and ice.

[Joe Budden]

I know where you live. You're not even shoveling nothing at all?

[Freeze]

Oh, no, I ain't shoveling.

[Joe Budden]

Your car. Your car got that good Defrost your car got that good. Yeah, that shit come right off.

[Freeze]

It's a dub for that. I ain't shoveling.

[Ish]

Same.

[Freeze]

Really?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't either.

[Freeze]

Hell, no.

[Queens Flip]

You want. You're gonna tip the. That shovel.

[Freeze]

I don't even see the that do it. I don't know when it's done. Ain't nobody to take.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, they be doing that early, right? For you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shovel your bill, all your properties. Do you shovel for the tenants?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you yourself, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. If it's close.

[Ish]

That's dedication, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is dedication, yo.

[Ish]

Lay Lord of the Year right there.

[Freeze]

Come on, yo, get in the car.

[Queens Flip]

Come on, bro.

[Ish]

You gotta get a guy.

[Queens Flip]

You're not out there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got guys.

[Freeze]

I shovel, nigga, if it's closed off.

[Queens Flip]

She'S not out there shoveling, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Stop.

[Queens Flip]

Y' all niggas be lying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't believe it either, but I was gonna let it rock it.

[Queens Flip]

You know why he be bodying the stone face. Yeah, you believe him? No, we don't believe you. You not outside shoveling, nigga.

[Freeze]

Okay, what time you get in your car and drive to their house to.

[Ish]

Shovel at one time?

[Queens Flip]

Okay, I apologize.

[Joe Budden]

I believe that before. I believe he paying somebody to go out there in trouble. He gonna get some Trouble.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that guy, he got that I saw him with, don't charge much. Mr. Leash is freezing.

[Queens Flip]

Lay your. Take these gloves.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He get a little.

[Queens Flip]

Take these little socks. Matter of fact, double it up. Let me take my off. I got a. He sit out there watching. Shovel too.

[Joe Budden]

Sit in the car, right? Just shoveling. Or. Or the salt or. You salting too?

[Freeze]

Oh, calcium or rock salt?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, if you want to get fancy. And how much of it.

[Freeze]

No, I leave a buck.

[Joe Budden]

How much salt? He try to.

[Queens Flip]

I'm about to tell you. He want a nigga that take a little scoop.

[Freeze]

I leave a bucket at each house. I leave a bucket. A Five pounds. A big bucket.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's cute, but do you. Is that extra? Did you salt it?

[Freeze]

Yeah, I salt it.

[Queens Flip]

You leave it by hand? The little.

[Joe Budden]

Little.

[Freeze]

And you leave a cup in there.

[Joe Budden]

Black ice.

[Freeze]

What the Is that.

[Queens Flip]

Is there any black ice in your property or.

[Freeze]

That's the fancy salt.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's the.

[Freeze]

No, no, no rock salt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We got the dollar store.

[Freeze]

I don't need no pellets. Give me 13. Bag that 40 bag stay in default.

[Jussie Smollett]

Damn.

[Queens Flip]

I gotta do the calculation. Each house, you show me. I wanna. You show me. Yo, bro, you show off in here. Yeah, I get it. Even when it's deep.

[Joe Budden]

It'S laws for snow, for landlords.

[Freeze]

You gotta. That's why you need a guy, though. So you ain't gotta drive in that when he's a blizzard out there. Go ahead, you do that. No, put your faith in the guy. Oh, yeah, the guy. Not going.

[Joe Budden]

Put your faith in the guy.

[Queens Flip]

You paid him enough and then.

[Freeze]

Yeah, you gotta pay him, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got people that come by every time it's snow.

[Joe Budden]

You pay them, right, don't you?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yo, who's watching this thing? I have to figure.

[Joe Budden]

I can't. I get. I. I ain't gonna lie. I know this guy.

[Queens Flip]

So long.

[Ish]

A lot of people.

[Freeze]

Yo, why. Why do you think that people be lying?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I didn't say nothing about lying.

[Freeze]

You like. Yo, who's watching this? Cuz?

[Queens Flip]

You.

[Freeze]

I'm saying some fake.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta know. I'm not saying you lying.

[Freeze]

I shovel my snow, bro.

[Queens Flip]

It's nothing wrong with shoveling. SN is watching me. I gotta get to the box.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna figure it out like the chair company. That's gonna be my chair company purpose, And he know it.

[Freeze]

You crazy.

[Queens Flip]

Look at this.

[Freeze]

Yo, you're crazy, bro.

[Queens Flip]

Every time you get this, like, when you look up, you. You let loop. But when you look sharp, I look up.

[Freeze]

Sometimes.

[Queens Flip]

Sometimes you'd be so stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Never seen a talkative mysterious so much like I'm about to get into this now.

[Freeze]

He pissing me the off. Cause I know him for too to even still be.

[Joe Budden]

For what? I don't know. Specific. Oh, all right, cool. I don't know how you talkative and mysterious.

[Ish]

It's impressive.

[Freeze]

My people ask me direct questions. I answered the questions. Yo, you shovel your own snow?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't.

[Queens Flip]

But look how you do it.

[Joe Budden]

I do, though.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I shovel it.

[Freeze]

And y' all said no, you do.

[Queens Flip]

And do this a face.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I answered.

[Queens Flip]

You communicate, do you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, I do.

[Queens Flip]

Yes. And let me tell you how you don't do that.

[Ish]

Let me tell you how you do.

[Queens Flip]

Every mic drop like it was.

[Freeze]

No, no, you don't. You can't possibly shovel Snow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You lying.

[Joe Budden]

Mr. Ish gave him socks.

[Queens Flip]

All that.

[Freeze]

I put on my old north face. I get outside with my ski pants on. Dope one too, and shovel my own snow, bro. How early you got to wait until it's finished snowing? You got a certain amount of time after it finished snowing at the show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if it snows overnight, you out.

[Freeze]

There at 6, 7am Nah, I probably get out there like 10.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't bad.

[Queens Flip]

That's fire.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You a good landlord, man.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I try cut the grass, too.

[Queens Flip]

That's why he wanted the rent. Yeah, sometimes he probably used that, too. Freeze. I shoveled your snow. Where's my rent? Where my rent at?

[Ish]

I don't think he refers to his tennis.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Bobby, show me your snow. Beat a little more ll.

[Ish]

Yeah, a little more LL than that Shovel.

[Joe Budden]

Just know, B, where my rent at? That's what I do, bro.

[Ish]

You got it.

[Queens Flip]

You too Cool. Look at that nigga. I love you. I think about you when I go home. For real, you shovel your snow? What I do.

[Ish]

That's cute. You shovel your snow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Send the people.

[Queens Flip]

He don't know what snow is. I'm lost, Mr. Joe. You want me to wipe the car down? That don't be in the snow. They still wipe it down.

[Joe Budden]

I have managers got. You the people.

[Freeze]

Yeah, it's nice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they get. Yeah, they get to it. They get to gotcha. Yo, I had the wildest podcast dream. I'm listening to y'. All. It's kind of like my dream a little bit. Oh, man. No, for real.

[Ish]

That's funny. When you had the work dream.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, dog, it's day job. I ain't even a dude to be remembering his dreams either.

[Freeze]

Me neither.

[Joe Budden]

Do y'?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All?

[Ish]

No, not often.

[Freeze]

Some of them.

[Joe Budden]

Do y' all dream a lot? Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

But if they go out, as soon as I wake up, it's over.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even think I really dream a lot neither.

[Freeze]

I used to.

[Joe Budden]

I don't dream no more.

[Ish]

Y' all be taking that melatonin?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Nah, that had a lot going on in her life, Fox.

[Freeze]

I ain't gonna lie. I don't remember the last time I had a dream. Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Queens Flip]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

That's way depressing. For real? Yeah.

[Freeze]

Damn, son.

[Queens Flip]

Let me guess. Life is just kicking.

[Freeze]

I don't know what that means, but I don't be dreaming a lot. When I was young, I did just be darkness. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I just go to sleep. Then you fucked them all.

[Freeze]

Then I wake up.

[Queens Flip]

I love to dream. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Once I fucked them all, it was.

[Queens Flip]

Like a couple more drinks.

[Joe Budden]

Tomato, tomato. Oh, yeah. We was somewhere. Pardon? And we was. It was all of us, though. Like all of us. Mona. Hey. The whole everybody.

[Queens Flip]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

But we was somewhere remote. Pardoning.

[Freeze]

It was a big ass space.

[Joe Budden]

And it was somebody that we. Whoever we was talking to. We had to do that interview. It wasn't booked, but we had to do it. And as we was doing that, Dr. Umar walked in.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, now I'm trying to rush whoever the fuck this is, but they won't get up. And then Rory, more people come in. I'm like, oh, it's a party in this moment. And then Mandy came. Oh, that's the home for you podcasters.

[Freeze]

Just started.

[Joe Budden]

It's the JBN showing. No, it's not. No, no, it's not. Not at all. Why was that happening? Then a fight broke out outside. When you talk about the fight broke out outside. So then in. Then the interview was over. But then I couldn't interview it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was you able to break it up?

[Freeze]

Who was fighting?

[Joe Budden]

I don't be dreaming about work.

[Freeze]

Who was fighting? People outside.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, not nobody inside.

[Freeze]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Joe Budden]

People outside. But then we rushed outside. And then it got hectic outside and then I couldn't interview nobody. It was over.

[Queens Flip]

Wow, that's a wonderful dream.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you for. What lesson did you take from that dream?

[Joe Budden]

Thank you for that dream. None. Fucking dark.

[Queens Flip]

What?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just.

[Joe Budden]

None. There was no lesson. We should interpret how many dreams we have. We should interpret all that stuff. But I didn't take anything away from it. I just woke up like, damn, that was interesting.

[Queens Flip]

He's the king.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot all about it too. Y' all started talking.

[Queens Flip]

The umbrella.

[Joe Budden]

You Know what I'm saying?

[Freeze]

Wait.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Queens Flip]

He's the king. He's done Umbrella. He talked about that park that a lot of people ain't gonna survive.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Queens Flip]

You know, the people that came in, you know, they were once under the umbrella, so it's just God showing them. Look what you started. Look what you did. Egotistical Dre. I'll slap the out of you, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't pull that from Rory and Mandy. All the. Oh, there.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, the people. That apparently was on the. Shut the up.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I started with Umar.

[Queens Flip]

Cause you. You want Omar. You wanted him. That's our guy.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Queens Flip]

That's our guy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done with you. I was in here with knobs. Hold up, man.

[Freeze]

She doing you off. Time is your business.

[Ish]

Abdul Carter situation.

[Joe Budden]

We good? How is that These just with knobs? How. Explain it to me.

[Ish]

Knob is a. A slang word for the penis.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Where?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You never heard slobby?

[Ish]

It's a famous song by a group called 365. They're from Memphis, Tennessee.

[Joe Budden]

You got me.

[Ish]

Other big hits.

[Freeze]

You got me.

[Queens Flip]

You got me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got. Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your dream, huh?

[Freeze]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

I've been over here with knobs all.

[Queens Flip]

Night in your dream.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my. See, look.

[Freeze]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm done with y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For real.

[Joe Budden]

That was funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Girls like you.

[Joe Budden]

Mic Check. Mic check. Always got a bad attitude. Shout out to all the patronies. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Whole New York City, big Jersey. Y' all should be about done with those leftovers by now. No, y' all should be done. Come on, Parks. Don't be that guy, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I threw my turkey away this morning. Yeah, the rest of the carcass.

[Joe Budden]

I had her cleared out. It's over now.

[Freeze]

It's all right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Joe Budden]

Clear the fridge out, man. Clear the fridge out. Get that sucker Tash out of there. It's over.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pardon me.

[Joe Budden]

I've been on a tie Dollar kick all weekend, all week. Grab. Shout out to the first and last time listeners.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All wait for the ladies.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody traveling, everybody running around. Who here knows the New Year's Eve plans?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not I. I just got mine. Don't have any. I think I'm being st. Kid. I got invited to speak at the Prime Minister's gala.

[Joe Budden]

All right, all right, all right, all right, man. All right. I know my plans aren't.

[Ish]

I know my plans aren't. And that's speaking at the Prime Minister's gallery.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Chick up. Leon Thomas. All right, man. Shout out to all the happy couples out there. Shout out to all the miserable couples as well. Christmas is coming. I don't know how y' all gonna handle that in the household.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It gets dark.

[Joe Budden]

It gets dark. That fight got some carryover into the holidays and her birthday and the Valentine's Day and all that. Now you got to play nice because there's kids in the house. My heart goes out to you. Some of y' all don't celebrate Christmas.

[Queens Flip]

I forgot the lucky one.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't asked y' all what y' all want to start with.

[Queens Flip]

You know what you should start with?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't.

[Freeze]

Your boy up there?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, my man Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Who saw it besides me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I see the doc I got.

[Joe Budden]

I want to.

[Queens Flip]

What time it came out?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

3.

[Freeze]

3 in the morning.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I should have watched.

[Joe Budden]

It came out at 3 in the morning. You watched all four? Yes, I watched.

[Queens Flip]

I watched something this morning.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a lunatic. I wake up at five because I was on Netflix at midnight. I was like, all right, I forgot.

[Queens Flip]

Three in the morning. I did the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to bed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I did. I was up, but I didn't. I forgot about it. It by three.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I just didn't cut the news on and. It's juicy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

See, they begin.

[Queens Flip]

It's a lot of. In there where they found him.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's juicy. It's real juicy. It's probably, like, the juiciest. Whoa.

[Ish]

It's a lot of juice.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Queens Flip]

You better watch the first 15 minutes.

[Freeze]

You just get it now? Yeah, it's right there by the room.

[Ish]

My whole.

[Joe Budden]

We too old.

[Freeze]

No, we not. Me and Parks keep telling.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Grow down.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, fine. Yeah, y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Queens Flip]

You.

[Joe Budden]

All right? I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I don't know how that got sped up like that.

[Ish]

Too many knots. And Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, hey, put some bass in your voice.

[Ish]

Flip, flip, flip, flip.

[Queens Flip]

Game over.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was. It was on it. It was. You're right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On the count of three. One, two, three.

[Joe Budden]

Flip, flip.

[Queens Flip]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this?

[Ish]

883.

[Joe Budden]

883. Welcome to episode 883 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Pitch. Prize Pitch gang. I'm Joe Budden. This is Queens. Flip. Queens. Get the money. That's our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. That's our good brother Ish right there. That's Freeze. The freeziest of Them all y' all know him. That's Parks, that's Po. This is Corey.

[Ish]

What happened? What happened?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna do it to you. I love you.

[Ish]

Now what happened?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now we wanna know.

[Joe Budden]

I love you too. I love him too. What you did? This is my man. Man.

[Queens Flip]

Look.

[Joe Budden]

Yup. Look at him, though.

[Freeze]

Look at him.

[Ish]

That's a guilty face. That's a guilty face for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she did it. Oh, no. Well, that part ain't in question. We seen him do it. Oh, we seen him do it. Old niggas too. Now, we gotta talk about it just a little bit for a second now. Because first of all, you should put a minute work sign on the door or.

[Queens Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Or do not disturb or some.

[Ish]

Put a sock on the handle.

[Joe Budden]

But he don't. So he got the door just wide open.

[Queens Flip]

Are you getting crazy?

[Freeze]

Why?

[Ish]

Someone's in here wide open.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy, right? So then when he was fucking with.

[Ish]

The knobs.

[Queens Flip]

My son was in with the Adebisi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So then when you hear.

[Joe Budden]

When you hear a door slam or some shit like that should be like.

[Ish]

Okay, let me put it away.

[Joe Budden]

Someone's coming. Let me do something. Let me get up, close the door. I'll get back to this. I get back to this. He old nigga here couldn't do that. So now the door wide open. So somebody walked by. He got the blanket over there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shit. Talk about oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

Corey.

[Queens Flip]

What the.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this nigga's a old nigga, man. Giving him the Terminator pumps. I'll be back. So anyway, Corey is here. Yeah, that's good, man. Erickson is here. Tanner, Savon are here by Ramon. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. Man, everybody look good, smell good. Come on, let's get right to it. Let's get right to it. I was up at 5am watching the Reckoning.

[Freeze]

Right to it.

[Joe Budden]

That is the Puff Daddy piece executive produced by 50 Cent. I don't even think that's fair because there's a lot more names involved in this piece. Oh, yeah, but 50 is kind of.

[Ish]

He's the star name.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it's mad other names, so. But it executive produced by 50 Cent on Netflix. It's a four part series.

[Ish]

Was there any other industry names on there? Or just other names?

[Freeze]

That's what I was about to say.

[Ish]

Let me see, just out of curiosity, like, any names?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Freeze]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. No, that's what industry ain't mean to know.

[Ish]

Yeah, you know, I was thinking like record execs or anything. Like that.

[Joe Budden]

No, but it's not just by one person is what I'm saying. Like, I'm sure those people are accomplished and yeah. Have. You know. So this is them coming together and it's. My point is it's a very well done piece. Dope. It's a very well.

[Ish]

Well, depending on who you. I like well done documentaries. Let me put it that way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Ish]

I'm glad it wasn't a quick hack.

[Queens Flip]

Rush job because I know they did.

[Joe Budden]

A bunch come off like that at all. Yeah, they did.

[Ish]

Hulu was going crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody just had a bunch of.

[Ish]

And hbo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just show the same stock.

[Freeze]

It was a bunch of them.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, this one was very well done. I watched when episode one was on. I said, okay, you're recapping. I've heard all of this. They're going. They're starting at his earlier years and background and yada yada, and just how he. The early stages of. And I'm like, all right, we've seen all of this before. And I mean most of the footage we've seen. Part two was about like, I just saw it a couple hours ago, so bear with me. Part two was about Biggie and the west coast and Pac and more that we've seen before. Yeah, but told differently. Okay, okay, told differently. This one. This one did more. It basically blames Puff for Biggie and Pac.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Wow.

[Freeze]

This piece, which is something we've heard before.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this piece takes. Takes a lot of the reasonable doubt away. Like they do a good job of laying it at his feet. I was pissed by episode two. I was absolutely pissed by.

[Ish]

Pissed at the Docker. Pissed at Puff.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Puff.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Because the way the doc is framing it was big didn't want to go to LA at all. Like that little segment. And we maybe have heard that before. This doc did a good job of making you say right after Pac dies, why would Biggie want to go to.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

LA to finish recording the album? Like that just sounds real stupid today.

[Ish]

It does a little bit.

[Freeze]

It does.

[Joe Budden]

And then they got interview. And then they got interviews with all these key people where even if they are saying something you heard before, they saying a little more in depth. So they got the guy saying, I forgot his name. Sorry. They got him saying, yo. But Biggie was supposed to go to LA and then run with me over to London two days later. But that didn't happen. He was urged to stay. I mean, and then they get into the swapping of the Rolling Stone cover again. More things that you have heard. But how it. How it's framed differently. Somebody. And again, maybe that's 50. There's somebody in the know putting this timeline together. Yeah, I was saying him for the big. By episode two.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

I gotta watch this tonight.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm watching today. For sure.

[Joe Budden]

For sure. Episode three. Then they get into the women and just, you know where it is that life's. Yeah, you know where it goes. And four is the end.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And four is the end.

[Freeze]

How was it in, like, at him Now.

[Joe Budden]

At.

[Freeze]

Okay, now.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, now, Cassie, they got footage of. They just got. They got all the footage. They got footage of Ryan Leslie bringing Cassie in the conference room and then.

[Freeze]

Puff at the head.

[Joe Budden]

And then them in the studio with Puff saying, yeah, I like this song, but I want to love it. I need a rapper. Need to do this part that you on Ryan Leslie. And then there was no more Ryan Leslie. Then it was Kim Porter was the wife, but then Cassie was the wifey. And then when Kim Porter would come around, he would send Cassie to go to the spa or some shit because they couldn't be around each other. And then they got. I'll be sure in there. Got Eric Sermon in there talking about Misa. Talking, yo, when Puff met Misa, yada, yada, like, it's just a whirlwind of shit. I won't call it a hit piece because they did focus on his success as well.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And that's the story they were telling is like.

[Freeze]

But the success drove him to be a monster. Is that how they framed it?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I won't say that. But the guy, you just the guy that got away at every turn and continued to rise and rise more. And then when this got dead, the Danity Kane, they went into the whole making it up, making the band shit and what that looked like with today's ears and climate, his relationship with Aubrey and how he was sending her shit on some. Did they put her in, yo, I'm masturbating tonight. I'm gonna think of you, and yeah, I want to. And when that didn't go right, then they pan right to the footage of him kicking out the group. And she looking at him like, oh, she looking at him like, yo, did she speak?

[Freeze]

Did she speak in the dock?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Freeze]

Did she speak in the dock?

[Joe Budden]

I think so. It's all fuzzy. It's all.

[Freeze]

I know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just watch it. You have to rewatch.

[Freeze]

Oh, no, this is.

[Joe Budden]

This is. It's all fuzzy. But she looked at him like my man. Really? Because he's sitting there saying, you're not provocative enough. You're not probiscuous. Word. Yeah. And then it got into. When I was done with Danity Kane, he fucking X. That whole group took dawn, put in Dirty Money. Now it's him in the group. So he's the focus. The story they kept trying to tell was he always wanted to be the focus. The executive who had all these artists, but wanted to be the man. I'm the. I'm the artist.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm a star.

[Ish]

So, yes, we insert the Suge speech.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From the Source Awards.

[Joe Budden]

Well, then they got into suge. They got into what he said at the Source Awards, what Puff said at the Source Awards, how Suge was Albie Shore's bodyguard and how that turned to executive. And this was just a very well done piece involving a lot of info that, you know. But framed. Framed a certain way and with some more because. Because now. Because they have footage of. And this is what, I guess Puffs people was beefing about. They have footage of like, six days before the arrest. Yeah, they got fresh footage of him in the car. Oh, God damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Him talk to lawyers. That's what I'm arguing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Him talking to lawyers. That's the clip that was going viral yesterday, was him in Harlem hugging people. Oh, that. They didn't do that. No good either. The doc was like. And when everybody turned their back on, it was totally over. Now you're back in Harlem. Now you're walking around. You're a man of the people on all of these. Like, they was making it seem. No, they're not making it seem. At one point, he was. They said, he don't with black people. Oh, damn. Yeah, they said that shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I hate that I'm the only one that saw it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So y' all just like, we'll have to report.

[Joe Budden]

Because I'm kind of scatterbrained in this whole thing. Because I was just taken aback.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it seemed like Diddy's people were taken aback, too. When the piece came out with the footage, they said, first of all, they called it a shameful hit piece. But they said. His lawyer said, quote, stolen footage was never authorized for release. So there's either there's a rat or somebody's lying.

[Queens Flip]

I thought that from what I know is that the person that records the footage, the footage belonged to them.

[Ish]

I don't think that Puff, unless they sign something, Unless.

[Queens Flip]

I don't think that he had time or he had the person sign anything, because in my mind, I met the person that I met the person.

[Freeze]

Don't usually they have you sign that shit before you even start recording.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but not when you're going through all that shit.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think. Or whatever.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

With a person like Puff, I don't.

[Queens Flip]

Think he thought about it, though. Freed. I thought the same thing.

[Freeze]

Before you go into jail, you know they coming to get you.

[Queens Flip]

Yep.

[Freeze]

So you trying to put out some shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, here's what Alexandria Stapleton said, which speaks to what y' all said. Alexandra Stapleton is the director of the docu series.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She's the one that was doing the press with 50 and all that.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She said, it came to us. We obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights. We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential. One thing about Sean Combs is that he's always filming himself, and it's been an obsession throughout the decades. Which might answer the other question. We also reached out to his legal team for an interview and comment multiple times, but did not hear back. So it sounds like, to your point, they ain't getting no illegal footage.

[Queens Flip]

No, it wasn't illegal. It's just the person that gave it to them, you might look at them funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. And the reason Puff might do that, like I said, if you're obsessed with filming yourself and, you know you're going to prison in four days, that might be.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he may have had his own doc plans or.

[Ish]

I'm sure.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Especially if he won.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's the other thing I said to myself, watching is, like, there's footage from 89. Like, wow. See, I was outside in 94. I can't find a. A video of me doing. It's a. It. It's a lot of footage of him doing everything. That's the other part that was. I'm telling you. They had one of his male escorts on, and the dude said, Every March 9, religiously, no matter where I was, him and Cassie flew me out to be where they was at, specifically on March 9th.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Ish]

That's a little creepy.

[Freeze]

That's a little.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. It's a lot of other shit that was just like. And then later on, he goes on to say. He goes on to say that toward the end of their. Whatever they were doing, they would collect his semen in a cup, and he didn't say nothing for a few times. And then finally he did. He was like, yo, what the.

[Freeze]

Are.

[Joe Budden]

You doing with my semen? Yeah. And they said Puff was Like, yo, I like to make her drink it, play with it, douse in it. Why? What's the problem with it? And then they have some. They have him on that type of shit very early too. Earlier than all of this. But you know that that's there. Yeah, you know that that's there. But back to the Dirty Money shit from making the band the Dirty Money. The story that they were telling in there, the other girl from Dirty Money, I forgot her name.

[Freeze]

Kalia.

[Joe Budden]

And let me just say the Dirty Money album is a classic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It is a great album.

[Freeze]

The Dirty Money album and the remix album too. Fire. They did a remix album.

[Joe Budden]

So they got her saying that the relationship between Puff and Dawn was very strange as well. Like. Like, if you ever met a billionaire, what would you do to be his girl or be in his concubine?

[Freeze]

Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Kalina.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wow. Cassie is there. So it's just. It painted. It's a lot of facts. It's a lot of footage. However they got the footage, it certainly helped in this. In this story they were telling.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It did, right?

[Queens Flip]

It did.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. It did make you feel like at the end he didn't get enough time. Really.

[Ish]

Really.

[Joe Budden]

It would have to. They show the shine. They show the girl. They show too much to where it's like if you don't believe this or if this didn't do it for you, or if this didn't do it for you, it's like certain is too consistent. In the story that they tell, did.

[Ish]

They mention anything about the trial? Like where the state up or the feds or whoever was trying it or anything like that?

[Joe Budden]

No. Before every episode they give you. They did the black screen with the words puppet serving such and such. He is charged with such and such and such.

[Ish]

Got it?

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't charged with such. And whatever they said in the place. I don't even read them shits after once I see it saying the same thing, but. Right. Yeah. What a up start to the morning to watch it. It wasn't.

[Ish]

That's heavy.

[Joe Budden]

And then it's banger after banger after banger after banger in this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, did the music.

[Joe Budden]

I mean. Yeah. You can't tell a story without.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't know they had license for it. That's why I was.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, that's some of the music. I mean, Benjamin's came on more money. Mo problems came on the awards with him performing with Sting coming out. It's like every and even that is real sinister. If you get into what they're trying.

[Ish]

To Say, I wonder how they got that. I guess that's fair use.

[Joe Budden]

Whoever was in charge of collecting the footage and the archives and the paper.

[Queens Flip]

Clipping, the right thing.

[Freeze]

They did a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You went crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Oh, I can't wait to watch.

[Joe Budden]

And then Puff is saying, this shit is a hit piece because of that. That little clip they got going around of him saying, I need a shower and hug 150 people. So I need to bathe and cleanse myself.

[Freeze]

I need to stand.

[Joe Budden]

Hand sanitizer. Oh, buddy, that ain't it. Who cares about that? No, that's absolutely not. I actually agreed with him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he was right about that.

[Joe Budden]

I absolutely agreed with him. If I'm out here just hugging and kissing and I want hands. 50 hands.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, but he seemed to shake 50 other things at these parties. I mean, I'm telling you, a germ phobe. It's just. Yeah. A lot of knobs. I'm like.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm telling you, that was part of them attempting to frame it. Like your dog.

[Freeze]

He don't like them.

[Joe Budden]

He don't fuck with them. I didn't get that.

[Freeze]

I could take that with it. That could be with anybody. But I get what you're saying, because.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would do the same thing. Yeah.

[Freeze]

No matter what. The crowd after a cop, after. Enough with us.

[Ish]

I was willing to wash my head. It's like, it's not the greatest jersey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Then the. The. From the. That to the Ciroc deal, like, this guy has been the pinnacle of success for. They got into Sean John. It's like this guy elevated has had no. I had 60, 80, and 100 million in the 90s.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Late 90s. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's a long time to have a.

[Ish]

A lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

In the recent footage, he's like, yo, I'm on my way to the bank. The deposit 200 million. They. Oh, they're holding the bank open for me.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

God damn.

[Ish]

Something light.

[Freeze]

Hold the bank open. I hold the bank open, too.

[Joe Budden]

For 200.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, for sure.

[Freeze]

You want the. You want the Boston.

[Joe Budden]

Especially if you. If you understand how banks work.

[Ish]

What they got? Take 200.

[Joe Budden]

The bank is. Stay open for a week, bro.

[Freeze]

Without bringing 200 million off of 200. They going to make 2 billion. $4 billion. Whatever the they going to make off your 200 million.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Freeze]

Yeah, be open. We'll leave this open. You can come next Thursday.

[Joe Budden]

We won't close.

[Freeze]

You want flat or sparkly? We'll leave it. Whenever you feel like it.

[Joe Budden]

Just show up crazy. It left Me saying, I just wish he had, like, real friends at some point. But when you making that much and you worth that much, you don't get that.

[Freeze]

And you. That type of.

[Joe Budden]

You don't get that. And I'm not saying that he don't.

[Freeze]

But I'm saying if you're that type of person, can you even have real friends?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that was gonna be my question because, I mean, we see other billionaires.

[Joe Budden]

You can have real friends. If you're that type of person, you can have real friends.

[Freeze]

I disagree. I don't think. I think. I think that the narcissism in these people will.

[Joe Budden]

Real friend. We saying it under the. It implies that the real friend is a good guy.

[Freeze]

Yeah, but the real friend. But the real one to hold you to the fire or make you accountable for certain shit. And certain narcissistic people with that level gonna kick the people away from you. Yeah, you get away from me if you telling me the truth.

[Queens Flip]

Not necessarily.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask you a question.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that because.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

Think that he has somebody somewhere that is a real friend.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that was gonna be my question. Does anybody know who that person is? Cause I've never heard, you know, like hov. You know, he has a crew that he came up with a lot of other Dre. I mean, there are people who are billionaires who have crew. I never heard of, like a long term, close Puff, friend. Drock, you said? Okay, yeah. I'm asking. Cause I don't know. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I think there are names out there the same way he just said drock. I'm not gonna name names here, but I do think that that could be.

[Freeze]

That will hold him accountable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's good.

[Joe Budden]

It may not be many. And I don't wanna sound like I'm vouching, saying, confirming. I can't confirm, but I ain't gonna.

[Queens Flip]

Say by hearing some of these people talk, a lot of people looked at it as a benefit. I sense a lot of fear also, you know, I mean, he instilled fear in some way. I was telling J.R. the same thing. Like, people were scared of Puff, you know what I mean? And this is why somebody would record footage and he wouldn't have to sign a document. Because a nigga wouldn't even play with Puff and do that. You know, Puff would have to be incarcerated in order for a person to even play with him like that, to even give up footage. Nigga wouldn't do that regularly. He wouldn't even need. You know what I mean? Because as I stated, JR and I met the person who was capturing the footage. You know what I mean? So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But did you get a sense of what the footage was for? Did they say anything to you about it?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, well, it was for recording. I mean, it was outside the courthouse. They were recording the Suns. Like it was a thing that like Joe was saying he was trying to record. It was told to us that trying to get a documentary. Puff wanted to record this. Wanted to record this whole journey. Cause Puff felt that he would be. He was coming home. So that's what he wanted to do. But it just did a. A whole 360, 180 bombing.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry. The world has never seen him like Puff. Puff is in that. Puff is in that. That strategy.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

A different the. The world has never seen nothing like this before. Like even watching it, you never seen. You never saw a sinister, mega talented, more talented than everybody, slash bi gangster that sold it. Like, this guy is in a league of his own.

[Queens Flip]

He is.

[Joe Budden]

It's dark and it's twisted and there's some other words that come to mind, but you ain't never seen.

[Freeze]

I mean, you know, that's been the thing that's been said, you know, whispered for years when it was like everybody that left there had to run to some religion at some point. Like, what did you see there that was that bad that I got to get away from this nigga and get religion.

[Queens Flip]

When you.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm telling you with all of this shit, I still think that if he comes out and says the right rehabilitative shit.

[Freeze]

America loves a path, I think for sure. Absolutely. His resilience, his persistence, and his just.

[Joe Budden]

Overall.

[Freeze]

Willingness and drive to win is something you can't teach.

[Ish]

He's also really smart at doing things like buying a thousand turkeys for the jail. Like he's gonna do some like that where you're like, oh, he's not such a bad guy.

[Freeze]

And he also got powerful friends. That's a winner. We keep forgetting that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who he has dirt on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

And they know that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But I think make Puff be the black gain.

[Freeze]

I ain't saying it like that, but.

[Ish]

Yo, Nick, Nick, I'm sure there was a couple cups come floating around that place.

[Freeze]

I'm talking about what he possesses. Yes, I think the. That he possesses. And just again, yo, we heard the stories of him going to Howard, but He's driving from D.C. to New York in a Rabbit, you know what I mean? He's interning, he's going to college full time and coming Back to New York in a fucking Volkswagen Rabbit. Like that just speaks to his drive and his dedication to be great. Like, everybody won't do that. And I think that certain niggas just got that in them. Yeah, they just got that in them. That nigga's a different level of persistent. N said, can't stop, won't stop. Yeah, bro. Like, it's different. I think if Puff hit the ground today and he was broke, I think in five years, Puff would be back at multi million easily. Like 100 million in five years if he was dirt floor poor.

[Queens Flip]

And it makes you think a little bit ish. Like, he had to be confident in the outcome because he preserved the relationships.

[Freeze]

Right?

[Queens Flip]

I'm gonna use these relationships if he does have dirt on anybody at when I need to. Not at a time like this. It makes you think a little bit deeper. Like, okay, if we say he do got dirt on people, he ain't use it at all. He took the brunt of it. I took everything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or he has.

[Freeze]

Well, you might have used the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe more people didn't come for it because of dirt. Maybe more people didn't sign on to it.

[Queens Flip]

I'm talking about the execs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm saying I don't know one way or the other. I'm not saying that's the case. I'm just saying Puff is so sophisticated and power is so powerful that there's no way to know what's happening behind the scenes unless you're back there. That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't know one way or the other.

[Ish]

I think there's also like a billionaire code where he probably is like, I'm gonna go do my little five years or whatever. It's gonna.

[Freeze]

I' ma eat it.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I eat it.

[Ish]

I'm not about to piss off these other billionaires.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? That's what I mean.

[Ish]

Like, they're gonna be useful me to. To me in five years.

[Queens Flip]

That's the point.

[Freeze]

Or they may aren't being useful to me now. True, true. I agree with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I ask a question about this code? Because that was one of the things that came up during the press run. I was watching Good Morning America, for example. Robert Roberts interviewed the director and 50 Cent and other people. 50 Cent, to your point, Joe is one of many people who are part of this series, but he's been the face of it. And obviously he's been using it to promote the documentary, but also to troll a little bit on social Media, actually a lot bit for a long time.

[Ish]

That's 50 does.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And some people are like, oh, you got him. You're the petty king. Other people have been like, this is not okay. For example, Ja Rule, another one of his enemies tweeted today, you know, this is rat shit. You're a rat. There are a lot of people who echoed that. You know, in terms of the code, is it. If one of your colleagues does something like this, one of your peers does something like whatever Puff is involved in and been convicted of, is there some. Is he. Is there any violation from 50 side to make a documentary about it? Is he doing anything wrong?

[Freeze]

50 side plays by a different set of rules when it comes to that shit, though. Like, you my enemy. It's up for you forever. I want to do whatever I can to see you down. And there's some people that roll with that. I don't think it's rat shit because he wasn't involved in it with him. And I think rat, when someone's ratting is the definition of what ratting is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I don't even mean just the rat thing because we always debate. I mean, kind of like, is it just violating any. Is there anything up about it?

[Ish]

If you're Puff?

[Freeze]

Yeah. I mean, if you did that shit.

[Queens Flip]

It depends on what side you stand on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

It depends on what side you stand on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Like if you my. Pardon me, Joe, if you're my enemy for a long time, I'm gonna do whatever if. Because we can say, I don't think Puff did anything that detrimental to make you do that. Some people can say that in his mind, it's like, if you my enemy for a long time, nigga, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to kick you down, keep you down, or whatever it takes to kick your back in. And if you on the other side, you'd be like, yo, nigga, what are you doing? Like, I wouldn't do this to you. What are you doing? That's not part of the game. That's not part the of.

[Joe Budden]

Of the cold.

[Queens Flip]

You know, you're participating or hopping on a bandwagon to keep another man down, a black man, you know, whatever. It's just depend on what side of the coin you. You stand on. What are you saying, Joe?

[Freeze]

My fault?

[Joe Budden]

No, exactly. Exactly what you said. Either you're on the side of. It's. You're going to feel something when you see a black man kicking down a black man when he's at his worst, or you're on the Other side of this is run of the show. And I don't think that they're enemies. I think that 50 is in. This is his line of work.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's where it gets tricky.

[Joe Budden]

I think he's in television now.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's where it gets tricky too.

[Freeze]

I think it's more than that.

[Joe Budden]

Huh.

[Freeze]

I think he views Puff as his enemy. And this is my line of work. So I can use this to. If there was more on my enemy.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody else in this line of work, we not calling into question their emotions behind when they are doing a piece.

[Ish]

The rules change when you play a different game. He's in a different sport now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he's in movie and tv and that's the gig.

[Freeze]

Yeah, but you ain't did this for nothing else. Like you are specifically targeting. We know you've been had beef with this man for years.

[Ish]

Less money and everything else.

[Freeze]

I'm just saying if that's my enemy and I see the opportunity and this is my line of work here, it's just a perfect start. But that's still my enemy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying he's never done this before. I think that a lot of what he's done has been his interpretation or interpolation of something that happened. The fucking Life series on abc. True story. Fucking the BMF shit is a true story. So.

[Freeze]

Yeah, but I'm talking about trying to again with enemies. You know, you look at Ja every chance he get, he tries to step on Ja every chance he gets.

[Joe Budden]

But you keep inserting the word enemies.

[Freeze]

Because I believe that to be his enemy. That's. I believe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe that's the question.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, then why are they enemies?

[Freeze]

There could be some. There's some whisperings.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I have heard those.

[Freeze]

I'm. I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want broadcasting.

[Freeze]

But, but, and if that were to be true, I could understand it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I think one way to think about ICE is like there's certainly evidence that he would have an issue with him. It's just a question of whether that issue rises to the level of enemies. Because you gotta beef with somebody, but not. Not enemy. Because with 50 as an enemy, it's up forever. Is the puff shit that intense or is it also just competition?

[Freeze]

That's for him to decide though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying? That's the line for me, right? Like if, if I'm in the TV business and I could shoot anything doc, make a documentary about anything. And there's this one thing that could be put out about an enemy. Yeah, I might take that opportunity.

[Ish]

You just did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's different.

[Joe Budden]

Which we'll get to, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But if it's just somebody who I have a friendly competition with, then I might not double down on it.

[Queens Flip]

Some people are different, and that's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It depends.

[Queens Flip]

Some people are better at playing chess, Mark. That's how I look at it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But what's the end game? What does victory look like?

[Queens Flip]

Because I'm pretty sure that there were things that, if we look at it from a different scope that Puff did to take shots at fifth at certain times. You know what I mean? If you just know the. No.

[Joe Budden]

Wasn't Puff on the I Get Money remix?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's. And it was funny because when they were in that studio together, I mean. All right, so that's the difference to me.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not saying, like, that means.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So much money, because, I mean, 50 and Jay vet tensions, but there's no beef, right? And I think that's the difference.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I think the beef started after that, by the way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, from what I remember, yes.

[Joe Budden]

When Hov went through this fucking funny shit recently, 5th put it on his.

[Queens Flip]

He was going at him.

[Joe Budden]

He was at him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he does. A little bit of troll. And he's always competing.

[Joe Budden]

And we start this. We start this with knowing that he don't give a fuck. Right?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We start this just with a common knowledge that 50 don't give a fuck. Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And for me, it's hard to find any blame or assign any blame to 50, because Puff did all this shit.

[Freeze]

Exactly that.

[Ish]

Part two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So it's like. It's one thing if, like, Puff just went broke. Let's just say he developed a terrible heroin addiction and he had gone broke. No crimes that just went broke. If you make a documentary about that, to me, that's. That's, like, petty. That's petty and, like, unnecessary. But, like, making a documentary about someone who actually did harm to people and.

[Ish]

Was found guilty in the court of law and.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, that's why calling it a hit piece is laughable, because you'll call the piece on it a hit piece, but not the piece in it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Freeze]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Freeze]

I'm watching.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm definitely gonna watch it.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm definitely watching.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought I was watching the 50 do the press run. Did y' all see him do the press run? Cause they were. He was basically downplaying all the beef. He was like, there's no beef. We had a little competition or, you know, there was no, no competition. I just didn't like the fact that he came after. You know, he was trying to holler at me. And he was explaining this to Robert Roberts. And I don't think he was like, you know, he just came at me a little side, you know, he kept trying to take me shopping to see what he could. He could play with me, you know, implying that Puff was gay. And I'm like, you tell us the Robert Roberts who may be the gayest announcer on tv. So it didn't go the way I think he wanted it to. And then I saw the director kind of jump in and say, no, no, no, it's not about that. It's also about all this other shit. A lot of people. People involved in it. So I think they're gonna have to be very careful how they frame the wise. How they frame. Yes, that's exactly right. On this press run. Because you don't want it to look like a hit piece. You also don't want it to be about diddy, sexuality, all these other things. If you want the mainstream to. To embrace this, because this could win a lot of awards if it's as good as you're saying it is. Because people love to give awards to shit like this. Just like the R. Kelly true. You know, they love to give awards, stuff like this. And they should.

[Joe Budden]

R. Kelly was appointment viewing. Had each and every one of us at the tv.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know I didn't go finish watching. I never. I never got through it for real.

[Freeze]

I never watched it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've seen enough, Okay. I didn't watch. Being around enough molesters in my day, you know, it was hard to watch. It wasn't. It was. It was great. The. In terms of cine, you know, in terms of the.

[Joe Budden]

The doc.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just. Sometimes I gotta take a break from that stuff.

[Ish]

I can dig it.

[Joe Budden]

It makes sense.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I feel like I should close this by saying with all of that said, none of that was my personal experience with Puff, because I hate when people do that. Like, you think because somebody was with somebody that now they saying something that they saw and. No, I'm talking about the piece. And it's damaging.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you about to say.

[Queens Flip]

You know what?

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Queens Flip]

And I know you closed it because you get. You don't like that. But what I battle with is that when you know someone and you know what side of the coin you'll stand on to watch someone that you know and then you look up to or whatever, when they just Take another turn or do something that you may not do is very. Like, life is very tricky. Sometimes not tricky, but it's a hard pill to swallow. Because, like, what, do I respect this because of the respect that I have, because I wouldn't do it, or do I understand it? And that's where it becomes like, for me, I'm only speaking for me personally. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. But it's a battle. Cause then you try to find if you like somebody, you try to make excuses of why they're doing it, justify it, but then say that there was a lot of opportunities for me to do things to people, which I'm not on that level, but I never did it, so. So it's crazy. That's all I wanted to say.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. Well, it's all about what you believe.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but even if it's all about.

[Joe Budden]

What your belief system is.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but then your belief system may change depending on the person that's doing it. Like, if that happens all the time. It happens all the time.

[Joe Budden]

We don't.

[Queens Flip]

People don't want to admit that that's a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It shouldn't, but it does. You're right.

[Queens Flip]

It's.

[Freeze]

It happens all the more times than.

[Queens Flip]

Than we know.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Queens Flip]

It's like, I would never do that. Do you see?

[Joe Budden]

Aha.

[Queens Flip]

Then you try to cause you like them so much or because the relationship you try to make a reason of. Oh, I can see them doing that. When in all reality, nigga, it's like it still is what it is. You know what I'm saying?

[Freeze]

So not many people stick to the it is what it is all the.

[Joe Budden]

Way across the board. I got it.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's almost impossible.

[Freeze]

We all hypocrites. I say it every chance I get.

[Queens Flip]

Number one.

[Joe Budden]

Somehow I think y' all doing that minimizes something.

[Freeze]

What you mean?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know that I agree with y'. All.

[Freeze]

Sway.

[Queens Flip]

What do you.

[Joe Budden]

And again, everyone's belief system is made up. I understand that. Right. But triggers are triggers and fears are fears. I think when you start having that conversation, it's deeper than everybody's a hypocrite or we accept this from this person and not this person. Notice some people who across the board have a healthy fear of anything sinister that does not change contingent on who the person is.

[Freeze]

But for a lot of people, like Flip saying, a lot of people, it's things that they have this across the board feel about until it's at their front door, and then they might not Necessarily agree, but they'll go out their way to try to justify it or to understand it more because it's somebody that's close to them or it's happening directly to their family or something like that. Where I could be. I would never go with this. Never, never, never, never. And now it's your little brother or your son, your daughter or your mother. Something that hits you real close to home. You get a little. You get a little bit more room for understanding than you normally would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Our capacity for nuance expands the more we love somebody, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I don't think that means that we wrong for doing it. Maybe it should mean we should be more nuanced with people we don't know. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

See, to me, that ain't changing my belief system. If I'm against murder, and that's how I feel across the board, and I don't wanna drag this, but that's how I feel across the board. And now my son comes home and he's murdered. Yes, I'm going to be there for him. Yes, I'm going to have understanding, maybe. Yes, I'm going to support him and try to see him.

[Freeze]

Would you turn him in?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Freeze]

Would you turn him in?

[Joe Budden]

I think I answered this before.

[Freeze]

I know, but I'm just saying. But there's a lot of people that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But what did you say?

[Freeze]

They might have. But you said. But the fact you say maybe. No, he said. Yeah, before, but look, the fact.

[Joe Budden]

Today I'll say maybe the fact you're saying I think I lean closer to the year. But you think it would depend on the circumstance.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

You got them. I don't think so.

[Freeze]

But look, just the fact that you're saying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm raising men to be. To be accountable, okay. For their actions. I'm raising men to make decisions that help before they get to that spot. I'm raised. I'm raising men differently than trying to be a coward or hide them when they do some fucking stuff.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can see not hiding. I'm just not making the call.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Freeze]

Fuck you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not hiding you, but I'm not actually hiding you. I can see not hiding.

[Joe Budden]

What did he do? Do your kid go shoot up a school? We come home to you. What do you do? You're not turning them in?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Turning him in?

[Joe Budden]

No. You're not calling the police?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, then we build different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we just.

[Joe Budden]

We just build different.

[Ish]

Shooting up at school.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm saying is I wouldn't say. I wouldn't protect him.

[Joe Budden]

That's why he get in?

[Ish]

I can understand that, but it should have been.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

School is also not where we started. It was initially when you. When you came up with murder, I was thinking more like a street beef. And you shot somebody, not Columbine.

[Joe Budden]

Well, then I asked a new question, which to me is in the same realm. I don't have if your kid do something. You said there was no world in which I'm turning them in. I challenge that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I challenge that. Or I wouldn't say in no world. But I think it would have to be something as extreme.

[Joe Budden]

As extreme as a school?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But if you just tell me he got a beef with somebody over some shit and he shot somebody, and he comes home like, yo, Dad, I shot somebody. The police is looking for me. You can't hide here. Your kid graped police.

[Joe Budden]

Your kid graped the neighbor four houses down from you. God forbid, of course. But now I'm just throwing extreme situations.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I would force him to be part of an account. Yeah, that's different.

[Joe Budden]

That falls into extreme.

[Freeze]

You're making. You're making a call in that. In the instance.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, so, Mark, I'm doing something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

I'm specifically talking about making a call. The turn in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But again, honestly, I probably call the neighbor and say, yo, he's here. I don't know if I call the police, but again, I'd be part of the accountability.

[Joe Budden]

Mark don't believe in police. I forgot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I called a neighbor.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that got deep.

[Ish]

It did.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it did. Sorry. It did.

[Queens Flip]

It went too extreme.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Queens Flip]

Cause I started to think. I closed the topic.

[Joe Budden]

And then you brought it back.

[Queens Flip]

Paul was so deep.

[Joe Budden]

I think y' all got. I think some of y' all pause got these like. Like hold on too long to these. I can't call it hood ideologies. Cause we all approaching 50. I think that we should start challenging some of the shit that we've been raised to think. I'm not talking about Marcus. He don't believe in the cops, but. No, I'm not. You can't just come in my house. Haven't have done anything. I'm sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, we agree on that.

[Freeze]

But hold on.

[Queens Flip]

And I think a nigga should.

[Joe Budden]

I'm scared of you now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Get your cunking ass the fuck out of here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a difference between not hiding you and telling on you.

[Queens Flip]

I think a nigga should say, all.

[Joe Budden]

Right, so what you gonna do? Your kid grow up and he already bad as hell. He start beating him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been Thinking this through a lot.

[Ish]

Why you think he's still training?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Y' all saw that shit in the basement. It wasn't for us outside assailants.

[Joe Budden]

No, on God. Like, what'd you do if your kid just start beating your ass? Ass. You flip.

[Queens Flip]

I'm gonna figure it out.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's winning.

[Queens Flip]

I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna figure it out. But I think a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Should I be calling somebody?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I am calling somebody. But I think a person like you should say because you have the set, you had the same beliefs, Yo. With age, with maturity, with life experience.

[Joe Budden]

I never had those beliefs.

[Queens Flip]

That he know that's murderous.

[Freeze]

I don't.

[Queens Flip]

To call police or that he been around murderers. To call police on a. That he know that's murderous. No, he wasn't doing that. We gotta stop that. He grew as a man and he did that. All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I grew up saying he's been a.

[Queens Flip]

Rat for a long time.

[Joe Budden]

No, y' all can play around with the rat work. Hold on, hold on, hold up.

[Freeze]

He could have been around people that he knew did criminal. He never let me finish, bro. That don't mean. That don't mean he witnessed nobody do some. You could have knowledge of people doing, or you could know these people are involved in certain things. But he ain't necessarily never witness it. It's two totally different things.

[Queens Flip]

You're right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And somebody coming to you saying, I just did a murder is different.

[Freeze]

Or you hearing through the street, yo, such and such. Did such and such.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, back in the day, the murderers I know were brilliant enough to never murder around me. It wasn't like today's street niggas.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And if they did, it would put me in a bind.

[Freeze]

And I'm letting y' all know early. Don't do it around me. Cause I'm not going in the bind.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Freeze]

I'm not going in the bind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Crazy.

[Queens Flip]

I'm respecting Paul.

[Freeze]

Do your dirt. You can't tell me how.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Ish]

You're right.

[Queens Flip]

I apologize.

[Joe Budden]

No, I've had detectives come knock on my door and you ain't say no. I went to rehab like a real. In the 90s. Catch me here. I volunteered. The only one that volunteered in there. They were so confused. Your wife. Don't worry about it. We down. I'm here with you. That's what I did. Oh, God damn it. Anyway, anyway, now it's.

[Freeze]

Speaking of confrontation.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't like.

[Queens Flip]

I don't like.

[Joe Budden]

No. Because now, man, I'm thinking I'm thinking I don't like us covering a topic when nobody saw it but me. I don't like that.

[Ish]

I think we did great.

[Joe Budden]

Now that was great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We did an hour talking about we don't know about.

[Freeze]

I was over here like a church.

[Queens Flip]

Mouse peeing on cotton.

[Joe Budden]

A church mouth.

[Queens Flip]

Tell them bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know him.

[Joe Budden]

Tell him.

[Queens Flip]

You be the spokesperson for this whole doc, Joe. What? You gave a ill breakdown. You made us want to see it.

[Joe Budden]

I was. It was a. Well, you know.

[Freeze]

Puff doing pull ups.

[Queens Flip]

Oh they going to do pull ups.

[Freeze]

With a guy in there doing diamonds Joe. But can't wait to see you boy.

[Queens Flip]

What n. I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

Anyways. Anyway. Now it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize picks.

[Ish]

Barely see across that river right now.

[Joe Budden]

Boy.

[Ish]

That coming for real.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That drive gonna be crazy long.

[Freeze]

That can stay there until I get home. After that I'm good. I want to hear no dumb ass gloomy ass weather.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It don't bother me.

[Ish]

Yeah, like it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I sit right in the house like this.

[Freeze]

You gotta get home. I ain't home yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It'll bother me when I'm.

[Freeze]

When I'm home. I don't give a what it's doing out there.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta get home to your daughter. And the rain may make it on. Why y' all such. Why are y' all such?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We drive an hour together.

[Freeze]

Drive somewhere.

[Joe Budden]

Oh my God. Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't drive exactly.

[Joe Budden]

No. It's so cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got somebody holding umbrella for.

[Joe Budden]

255. Talking about it's gloomy outside.

[Freeze]

What the that guy doing up? Being in a up environment.

[Joe Budden]

Just be a man and wait. Wait. What up environment? Gloomy.

[Freeze]

Don't nobody want to be think about this depressing.

[Joe Budden]

Just want sun rays right? All year. You want sun rays all year, right?

[Freeze]

I mean it ain't a bad thing.

[Joe Budden]

It is a bad thing. This world would be a piece of if it never rained. That's why I don't contributes to your happiness. You okay? Fake happy ass.

[Freeze]

I'm not fake happy. I ain't my fault.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't never seen you and you look so chipper.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

These niggas are arguing about the weather now. It ain't these.

[Joe Budden]

Now he chipper Jones over here. Exactly. Oh my happiness. You're a man. You ain't supposed to be happy.

[Freeze]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Be a man. Grow a set and stop looking outside at the windshield factor.

[Freeze]

I'm glad y' all know.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a dad.

[Queens Flip]

He got to deal with the cold now we can't deal with The.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, listening to men listen to y' all complaining about the weather is like. Well, like, when the girls say they hear, men say, yo, next Friday. Like, that's what it's similar to. To me, your next Friday. I got you a man looking out.

[Freeze]

The window, woman brain.

[Joe Budden]

A man saying, looking out the window and saying, oh, my God, that weather is so spooky out there. Dissimilar to y'. All. I got you next Friday.

[Freeze]

We said spooky.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just don't like driving in the rain.

[Freeze]

That's it. That's it. I just don't like driving in inclement weather.

[Ish]

Andy.

[Queens Flip]

I drive an hour, nigga.

[Freeze]

Oh, no, that's. Without the rain, it's worse.

[Joe Budden]

But when you want nice things. When you want nice things, that's what you gotta do. I mean, you can live much closer. You can live much closer. You in your city. But when you like nice things. Vacancies. Yeah. You take what comes with nice things. Nych is close.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I never heard of that. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Is that like Irvington?

[Joe Budden]

Exact mundo. You lucky I don't remember that name. We can't call Philly niggas. Boy.

[Queens Flip]

You would call him.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't even call Mark. I don't even feel comfortable saying that.

[Freeze]

You try to call Mark a nut ass freak bull.

[Joe Budden]

That sounds nuts. A nut ass freak bull. That sounds crazy to me. Like, why would people in Philly be calling people that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause some people be nut ass freak bull.

[Joe Budden]

But what did you gotta do to be that?

[Freeze]

Cause I got my gun on me, and I really want you. You say the most insulting you could.

[Joe Budden]

Think of, and that's what you came up with in Philly. At least in New York. The suck my dick.

[Freeze]

Suck my dick, you ass.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

That's gonna make him jump.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, that's universal. It's not like we immune to that in Philly. Like, you said that somebody in Philly, too.

[Queens Flip]

There's a problem. I mean, they call each other and like that. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is not that big. Is mild.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Is play. Play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like dickhead's like, yeah, that's like a gloomy day. Like, oh, I'm level. Yeah. Like, when you ride the bus home for school, you back door. That's what you say to the bus driver. Like, this is what you say. Like, that's normal. But.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. All right.

[Freeze]

I wait for you to get up.

[Joe Budden]

And walk to the door, slam on the brakes.

[Queens Flip]

That's just rude to me.

[Freeze]

Dicks out there or Something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like if I said like, you dick eating, like, I wouldn't be a media social. I mean, I'd be insulted, but I mean, it wouldn't be like, next. It was not fighting words, but sucker shit is.

[Freeze]

But none of that freak bull is fighting words.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, call somebody nut back. The first fight we got in back in the day was somebody called my brother nut. No, I'm sorry. My brother called somebody a nut and he sent it and. And he called some. He said, some girl, your boyfriend a nut. So he came up.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We were in 8th grade. Dude was like, you know, it's the hood. So he was like 22 and he came up and he beats the shit out of my brother.

[Joe Budden]

And you just still deal.

[Queens Flip]

I jumped in, Duck.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Then he beat the shit out of both of us.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'm sorry you went through that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no problem. I'm just saying. But my brother shouldn't have called him a nut. We learned a lesson.

[Joe Budden]

Worst bystander to have in the world over here. Don't jump in if we both just gonna get whooped on. Let me just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, I was in sixth grade.

[Joe Budden]

Go call the police. Go get some help. Go help. Call the police.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This nigga had a legal gun permit n he could drink. He's 20 foot one. I was in sixth grade. What you want me to do?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, my brother came and got me to help him with some at the basketball court. That was a little. Little hefty. I should have asked him to see a picture.

[Freeze]

What we doing though?

[Joe Budden]

The funny I.

[Freeze]

That's when you first got your diplomatic back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't heard a bunch of new words.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody, that's all down.

[Freeze]

Just give me. Me ten minutes.

[Queens Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Come and take a walk with me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Calm down.

[Queens Flip]

I talk to you.

[Joe Budden]

Let's breathe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody, let's breathe.

[Queens Flip]

Breathe.

[Freeze]

You on fire, son.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, Breath, this is. This is him. Goodbye.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

I knew the dude had to be on some because me and my brother ain't get along at the time.

[Ish]

Come get you.

[Joe Budden]

I need your help. Yo, come with me to the park real quick. I was like, all right, man, you saw that?

[Freeze]

You. You see that big. You pop me on kill.

[Joe Budden]

No. If I remember right, we jumped on his ass. I was. We was violent. I was violent for sure, but then he was violent anyway. Trauma. Yeah. Violence. Ice a V word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't know in high school.

[Joe Budden]

Violence. Violence. Not violence. Not violence. Violence. Breath. Combat.

[Queens Flip]

A fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Not mom dropping you off into the back door to school. Yeah. Mute up.

[Freeze]

Punch out the real fight.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man not violent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was good.

[Joe Budden]

That was good.

[Freeze]

That was.

[Joe Budden]

He warm up after two hours. After two hours.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Two hours of meditation, that boy. Live meditation to two hours.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Freeze]

Yeah, my man got pace yourself when you older, yo. That's what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Once he do that. After two hours or not. Chill. Cut it out. Yeah, I'm straight. I'm good. Good.

[Queens Flip]

You got a warm up?

[Freeze]

I mean, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Warm up.

[Queens Flip]

Ass thicker. Get straight into it.

[Joe Budden]

That boy at the live show, what would you do at the live show?

[Freeze]

I would throw a tomato.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, you know, get off the stage old.

[Joe Budden]

No, at the live show, you know, when the car take too long, a woman. At the live show. We ain't got two hours, buddy. When these lights go up and they say ish, you better hit them with.

[Queens Flip]

When you go to the Q and A portion, I can see you better.

[Joe Budden]

Harm shape or something. Figure it out. All right, now it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize picks. Oh, did we do that earlier?

[Ish]

We needed to do it twice.

[Joe Budden]

They don't pay me to do it twice. Take one of them shits. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. All right. What is prize picks, you ask? Well, I'll tell you as soon as my phone loads up. All right, here we go.

[Freeze]

Violins.

[Joe Budden]

All right. This episode is brought to you by Prize Picks. You and I make decisions every day. But on Prize picks. Being right can get you paid. So don't miss out. Shut up. So don't miss out. Hold me down. So don't miss out on. Yo, y' all had to see when Parks was the dj, he would miss the Q and just be drinking a bed. Me and Corey. Oh, shit. Wait, where was I? So make sure you don't miss out on any excitement in this sports season on prize picks. Whether you're a football fan, a basketball fan, or a fan of both, such as myself, it always feels good to be right. Prize picks is really easy and simple to play. Just pick two or more players, look at their projected stat line, pick more or less for your chance to win big. Prize picks also now offers stacks, meaning you can pick the same exact player. I mean, the same player in the same exact lineup. So find somebody you like and think is ill and pick them a bunch of times. There you go. Now, the Joe and ish picks of the week. Let's see what is on this week. We're going with Kareem Hunt for more than 37 and a half rush yards. Justin Herbert for more than 206 passing yards. Yards. Jonathan Taylor for more than 17 and a half receiving yards. Jameer Gibbs for whatever the he feels like doing that day.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Which here is more than 74 and a half rushing yards. And Devon a chain for more than 79 and a half rushing yards. If it wasn't for Mike McDaniels, he would be on my whatever I feel like doing list too. He's having a quietly, really good season.

[Ish]

Mike McDaniel's feeding that quietly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

That he on a megaphone.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Mike McDaniel give him the ball every time.

[Joe Budden]

He's in the top five, right?

[Ish]

All, all purpose yards.

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah. You catch them in if you got a chain. And Jonathan, tell on your team. You doing pretty good this season.

[Joe Budden]

My fantasy season is absolutely over with. And anybody that picked Justin Jefferson, he has six in your first round, bro.

[Freeze]

He has six yards.

[Ish]

I think Tyreek, no, they playing with.

[Joe Budden]

I was playing against somebody who had Seattle's defense and I turned, I turned on the low lights and seen what homeboy, that high school quarterback was doing out there at the Vikings game. The fantasy gods is spoofing me. Yo, he was running backwards. He fell.

[Ish]

They let Sam Darnold and Dana Jones go, bruh. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's over, man.

[Freeze]

I had Jay Flowers and Justin Jefferson.

[Joe Budden]

Oof.

[Freeze]

I think one had four yards, one had six yards.

[Queens Flip]

Like, oh, word.

[Freeze]

You started.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, you played the whole game. Download the app right this second and use promo code JBP to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks. Where it's good to be right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's good to be right.

[Freeze]

So you out the playoffs in your other league?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I don't even check.

[Freeze]

Oh, man, fuck that.

[Joe Budden]

In my ESPN league I had best team and now I can't beat anybody.

[Freeze]

You lost to me this week.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's over.

[Freeze]

But you're still in the playoffs.

[Joe Budden]

I think I'm preparing for August.

[Freeze]

I beat you and got eliminated.

[Joe Budden]

I packed it up. I'm ready for August. I'm ready to draft.

[Freeze]

Yeah, crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm ready to draft. It's over. It's over. Justin, Jeff and J.J. mcCarthy. I don't know what the fuck was on my mind. Keeb talked me out of so many people fucking Keith. Anyway, it's fine. So speaking of it, feeling good to be, right? I was gonna come in here to give my good brother Dark Lamont Hill some advice on how he runs his Patreon because I always see the clips and then and the captions and all that and the previews. So I have. I've clicked on about 16 previews from Mark.

[Ish]

You got some lights.

[Joe Budden]

So when I click it, this is the preview. I click it. Hey, y', all, what's going on? Hello. This is Your good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill here and ready to get into you about something in.

[Freeze]

That's the preview.

[Joe Budden]

Yep. Hey, y', all, what's going on? Mark Lamont Hill here had an interesting talk with the barbs this week, and.

[Queens Flip]

If you want, he has to extend the preview.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You, man let this happen 16 times before telling me so.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't gonna say nothing, but it happened to me too many times. So today I was coming to tell him, this is how you. This is what's happening with the preview. You should make it a little longer. But then this morning when I woke.

[Freeze]

Up, why you weren't gonna say nothing?

[Joe Budden]

Cause that's his business.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he could do it. Just for the record, if you do a business that makes a million times more than my business, feel free to give me advice.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, I thought he was doing like that on purpose. That's how people do the preview.

[Queens Flip]

You just told me that it's automatically 15 seconds. He got to put it to the two minutes or three.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even know Patreon could preview stuff. I wish I would preview.

[Queens Flip]

It's a preview.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, buy a preview, that's like free dope. That's like the. In the food court with the toothpicks.

[Queens Flip]

And I used to them joints.

[Joe Budden]

So anyway, this morning, I wake up.

[Queens Flip]

He didn't he do it.

[Joe Budden]

I paused the puff doc because Mark put out a new Patreon and it said preview.

[Ish]

Messy boots, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

This time, though, this one I did myself. When I clicked preview, it looks so dope.

[Ish]

He got the lights.

[Joe Budden]

It was like five minutes.

[Queens Flip]

That wasn't his crib. That was a studio. He put some bread.

[Ish]

He doesn't use the iPhone no more.

[Joe Budden]

This one. The caption worked. And the preview.

[Freeze]

I need the preview. Join me for my exclusive interview with Brian McKnight Jr. And Julie McKnight. I'm so glad to have been part of this raw, honest, and healing dialogue. I don't need to see nothing purchase.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I hit preview. I did not hit purchase, but I hit preview and got five minutes where I'm like, oh, so Mark does know how to preview.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I found out today.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you damn right.

[Queens Flip]

Subscribe to this and watch it, man. Subscribe, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, subscribe to our.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not subscribed.

[Queens Flip]

Subscribe to your.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't ask you to you.

[Queens Flip]

No, actually, you made fun of sub. Please. You made fun of not subscribing.

[Joe Budden]

And I did sub to your violence.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice. I did sub to your.

[Joe Budden]

When viol. When violence was going on like the Color Purple. And that's violence, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually, not at all, man. It was violence.

[Joe Budden]

Mark knows violence.

[Freeze]

He chose violence.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't choose violence. Brian McKnight chose violence.

[Freeze]

No, you chose violence.

[Ish]

Why did he shoot back? So you had to up the ante.

[Joe Budden]

So I gotta go grab your family.

[Queens Flip]

This was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This. I know people will think that this was about pettiness or.

[Ish]

Nah, you doubled down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. This was not about pettiness at all. This is pure greed. I really wanted the money. No, no, I'm kidding. After my. So Brian V. Knight did what he did. I responded here. And to me, it was kind of over.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I was given the opportunity to interview.

[Joe Budden]

To kick a horse, right? Kick a horse while he down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I mean, if somebody reaches out and says, hey, the family wants to be able to tell their side. I want to be able to give.

[Ish]

He's a journalist, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's a journalist. I feel like it's important.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, take that shit to the fucking Angela Ryan.

[Queens Flip]

Fuck out of here. Take that shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm serious.

[Joe Budden]

Take that shit to the native.

[Queens Flip]

He gave the nigga a warning and said, yo, I still need to.

[Freeze]

I interviewed them multiple times. Don't make me start.

[Joe Budden]

But this is probably why he asked that question earlier. About 50. And his intention. Because of you. Not at all.

[Freeze]

You did the math.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is the thing. The shit that I told you, Nick. The shit that I told Brian Knight I wouldn't say in public. I didn't say in public, and I didn't let. And they didn't say in public in the interview. There's so much shit that Brian McKnight has said and done according to them.

[Ish]

Which one?

[Joe Budden]

Both.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But the senior is the one that we really need to talk about. And they did an interview. It was an hour and a half. Great conversation. But for me, the point was healing. I wanted to be able to create a space for them to share their pain.

[Freeze]

Hey, yo, big dog.

[Joe Budden]

Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Mark.

[Freeze]

You ain't even gotta.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm serious.

[Joe Budden]

I'm serious. It's us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's people watching. And I was.

[Joe Budden]

People that are watching you here. I already know they kind of getting a good idea.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think when y' all see it, you're gonna be very surprised. It's a good healing interview. They were very happy with it at the end.

[Freeze]

I didn't know you was a chiropractor.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know your doctor.

[Freeze]

I know your doctor was in healing. I didn't know you was a. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Want people to be able to talk and grow and heal. And they did. And I think it was a good conversation. They broke down a lot of shit. They refuted some of the stuff he said in his interview.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't put it on YouTube.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It'll be on YouTube. I like to give early. I like to give early access to my Patreon followers.

[Joe Budden]

Samesies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I learned from you.

[Joe Budden]

Samesies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So it will. You know I don't want to. Didn't necessarily want to say that because that makes people more likely to wait.

[Joe Budden]

I know they curse me out every.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Time I do it but yeah, but early access. But I want everybody eventually be able to see it. But for the foreseeable future, yeah, they should go to Patreon, support it.

[Joe Budden]

But what do you say to the people that say that? Like Brian McKnight Sr. Said that he was open to come have a conversation and slash debate with you directly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We should. But that doesn't mean that his family doesn't have a right to have a platform and to be able to speak back to what they've already said. Cuz Bryant can't do all the talking. Brian should be able to do as many interviews as he wants but his family has a right to speak out and they've been quiet and so BJ, Brian Jr. Which one? The OG Jr. Got it. And Julie McKnight his ex wife. They wanted to be able to speak back to some things that were being said about them and they wanted a safe place to do it. One of the things they said was they respected my platform and my history of giving fair interviews and so that's why they chose to allow me to do.

[Joe Budden]

When you try to blow your nose. You got some of your nose good.

[Queens Flip]

You good? You good Lord.

[Freeze]

Would you try to broke her? Sit down.

[Joe Budden]

You do this thing with your nose.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Took a.

[Queens Flip]

Yo flip. What?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tuesdays are just as good as Fridays.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, what we saying? I don't know what. What that mean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What that mean.

[Queens Flip]

No free. Break it down to me. Do it. In reality, Tuesdays is just as good as Fridays. So you said Fridays is better. What you saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, go off Cool. Watch your phone. I do be a little bit happy on Fridays too.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, that's not true. Yeah, I do get happy but you say you are.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, not me. Not me. No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

We don't be happy on Fridays.

[Queens Flip]

Happy on Fridays.

[Joe Budden]

I think both days, blue man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If we look happy on Friday, that sucking.

[Queens Flip]

Excuse me. Laughing fire. We laugh with you, too. I'm good. I'm down with you.

[Joe Budden]

We do laugh with you, too.

[Freeze]

We laugh. We laugh when you funny.

[Queens Flip]

It's me against all you. And watch your mouth. It's the best day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You hear me?

[Queens Flip]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The way you started with that Negro thing, that was like prior in his. In his prom. Yeah, we were all thinking it.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, yo, listen, listen. I used to. We had to do two different.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever they say about this working environment is true.

[Queens Flip]

We have two. We have two different styles of energy interviewing.

[Joe Budden]

Right? Like, if I'm.

[Queens Flip]

If I'm afraid of the person, what I'll do is I'll go the opposite side so they won't sit down with me. Right. You know, I used to do tricks like that, but then I realized that you have to go to the horse's mouth. If somebody calls me out, I want to sit with them, look them in the eye. As a man. And I'm not going to use an excuse about safe spaces because spaces are subjective. I don't know if your place is safe for them. What it is. It might have been a messy space. You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. You should watch the interview. It wasn't.

[Queens Flip]

I will watch it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Queens Flip]

But I did. I thought he was gonna take Mr. McKnight up on his office and sit down face to face with him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've reached out.

[Queens Flip]

And then the other nigga that shot at you. You negated him. You know, he started to post shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, Margaret, I can't respond to everybody that has.

[Queens Flip]

That's the angle you take. Marple and my. Hell, that nigga that jumped up to try to fight Queen's Flip. You taking an angle of ice cream. Queen's respond to everything Flip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he was standing.

[Queens Flip]

I'm on your side.

[Ish]

He just called you queens.

[Freeze]

He did.

[Queens Flip]

Last name is Flip. I'm on your side, but I'm expecting you. Come on, you got. You let that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Queens Flip]

What we doing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I respond to people being messy. I respond to people who have something.

[Ish]

With the big lens, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If this. Like I said to my man, I said this other day, I would debate homeboy, too. I would engage homeboy, too.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm not going to engage him about something stupid like telling me you think you're an intellectual and you're Not Is to me, like the academic equivalent of, like, you think you cute. Like, I'm not debating that. Cause that don't. The stakes are too low. You know what I mean? And it's not about him or his platform. I respect his platform. I respect people who respect him. But we ain't got shit to talk about. And if we do have something to talk about, then we can have that conversation. But Brian McKnight, I absolutely will have a conversation. I know who Brian McKnight is. I don't know Antoine, but Brian McKnight I know. And personally, I mean, I know you know, he spoke out. So I respond to him. And he's welcome to come and sit down with me, too. I would love to sit down with Brady. And I reached out, haven't heard back.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, you reached out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Similar to the way he reached out to us here.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, he reached out to the.

[Freeze]

But you said he was lying.

[Joe Budden]

No, he hit the pod page.

[Freeze]

But I'm just saying.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Freeze]

Listen, Mark said he was lying. Then he said he reached out. And he said the same way he reached out. So are you lying, saying you ain't reached out to him?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm being tongue in cheek. But I reached out.

[Joe Budden]

Scared.

[Freeze]

Get a dog.

[Queens Flip]

And if you're scared with a dog, get another dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would just get a police officer standing next to me, real close. And when it's looking sketchy, Russia.

[Queens Flip]

So would you be fair if you sat down after hearing his family's flipping you to catch?

[Joe Budden]

Brian McMahon ain't coming to sit down. No damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. You gotta ignore it, Brian. If you wanna have a sit down, I'd love to have a sit down with you. I'll come to where you are. I'll fly out to west coast, wherever, Midwest, wherever. You can come this way. I'm happy to do an interview.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, Paul. That should direct.

[Joe Budden]

Paul.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Respect that you bring them here.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, a few things before this talk goes any further. You know, Brian, not like six, three, six, four.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, same size. Same size as the original son. I met him yesterday. Same size, same. But, yeah.

[Ish]

I thought you talk about Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

From Killer army again back to Sons of Man.

[Queens Flip]

He pays him. Bro, you edited this fast.

[Ish]

That's the prodigal son.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yesterday I was in the studio yesterday. They flew in, we did the interview. Amani was there.

[Ish]

Just in case.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't know he was gonna be there.

[Joe Budden]

Dragged another, put another in that mix just in case.

[Queens Flip]

My man here, too.

[Joe Budden]

Ain'T scared.

[Queens Flip]

No, Imani, that's How, man. But don't involve Imani in your.

[Ish]

You can't say after what he did for your channel.

[Queens Flip]

He turned up my. But I'm on his side and ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Hit nobody on his channel yet. He would have. He let go of a grave opportunity. What do you got to come back. We gotta run that back. If I hit somebody on somebody channel and they go up, you better come see me the next month. We run it back. Sorry. But anyways. Yeah, we love you.

[Ish]

I can't wait to watch the interview.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you for watching it. And if you haven't, check it out on Patreon.

[Queens Flip]

We will.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's you. I'm talking to people on the audience.

[Joe Budden]

See? And this is why figuring out where everybody sits at a wedding is tricky. It can't be here because now Mark and Brian can't be at the same table. There's so many people that can't even be at the same table anymore.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll be fine. But I think me and Brian will be good. We'll have a good conversation.

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting me some. Never felt this way. Pause. Whoa. Yeah. These wasn't outside. Come on. Come on. Still in love with you. They better. They better stop playing, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm be with the lighter up man. I love that. I love his music.

[Freeze]

And it's 20 billion.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Violets turn red, roses turn blue.

[Joe Budden]

That's the. Come on.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the ball.

[Joe Budden]

Nick. What? See, look what we getting. Hour two Ish.

[Freeze]

Don't play. He done up Brian Connect.

[Ish]

Start singing this.

[Joe Budden]

Up the connect. Yeah, up the connect.

[Queens Flip]

Is crazy up yet?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not yet. We good?

[Queens Flip]

Almost.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all seen game in the club saying free. Free Kels and free puff.

[Ish]

That's what he said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Happy birthday to him for real?

[Freeze]

Like, that's real. I have to ask with everything now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It was a birthday.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't got to ask me. I got the new phone. Yeah, it's real. Why.

[Ish]

Why did you do that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he was. I mean, for what I.

[Joe Budden]

It was saying free puff every. To everybody with ears. Some people feel like free puff and free cows.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And he was.

[Joe Budden]

What we going to do drinking that how.

[Freeze]

No, just say it.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, that's your business. That's what you.

[Freeze]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead and say it. Go ahead and rep. Scream it to the. I mean that's just. Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's definitely a choice.

[Ish]

I just heard some very noble things he was or semi noble things he was saying on a podcast. So it seems to conflict with that. But that's me.

[Freeze]

You got a relationship with Puff?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So dark Kelly. One was the one that surprised me more than the Puff one. But I get. I get people have a perspective, Right. One of those perspectives is even if they did everything that they're accused of doing, it's just too much jail time.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't think that he. Pardon me, Mark. I don't think that he was just random. I think bumping Grime was on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Bumping grime was playing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And he was drunk and it was his birthday, right?

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It felt like a moment that got taken a little. I don't. I wouldn't read that much into it. I don't think he's on a campaign. I think they just caught him at a night when he was feeling it.

[Freeze]

He's feeling it. I don't like it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not defending it. I'm just saying I don't.

[Joe Budden]

You know, that's another one of them. I want to see the author. I want to see. The first person that came up with that one. Sometimes is drunk, yo. Yeah. Facts.

[Ish]

Sometimes too many drunk people.

[Freeze]

But no. But then when be drunk, they don't be happy. Yeah. They don't got enough be.

[Ish]

Sometimes drunk people also just be saying, yeah. Like a lot of times I think.

[Joe Budden]

That saying negates what Parks is saying as an option. I just don't believe in that. I think sometimes niggas be drunk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, you ain't never drunk and said, no, you ain't mean.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Say some.

[Freeze]

I ain't mean to say.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Oh, that.

[Freeze]

If you were sober, you would have had enough.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

To not judgment. To not say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes I just be saying dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all need to be drawn. I do that off the. Off the. Wake up like a Steph Curry three. No warm up. I get a couple reps in and just saying some bow, Bow. Look at your knees. Some Cisco to get this off. Oh, you don't want to get it off.

[Freeze]

That's the point. You didn't want. It's something you didn't want to get.

[Ish]

Off Game got an album coming out this week, right?

[Freeze]

It was supposed to come out last week.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all was looking for it last week.

[Freeze]

It's a project with DJ drama. Gangster girls.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Parks, cuz that is where we supposed to go. But give me. I want to hear an example of the drunk tongue that. How does it come out drunk My dad should have never adopted you. Like, give me. Give me the guy the guys drunk coming in the house.

[Freeze]

I ain't never.

[Joe Budden]

If I was your dad, I would.

[Queens Flip]

Have left you too.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I ain't never like your ass anyway.

[Queens Flip]

I never like.

[Freeze]

Such don't like you. That's why they be talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

They start exposing mad. That's why your girl. Somebody else like. Oh, well, you knew that. Yeah, let me drunk.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

M. Mary did that.

[Joe Budden]

So there's that. So. So there's no point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody that was.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One day my Mary, while intoxicated. Yeah. Drunk as Cuda Brown, she. She came.

[Joe Budden]

That's back when they had to make their own liquor.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cuda Brown, moonshine.

[Freeze]

Who was his name?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all never heard that expression, drunk is Cooter Brown? It's some Jim cry. Yeah. I won't tell y' all the story of K. Brown.

[Joe Budden]

But what did a Mary say?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, who's the legend was that? Cuda Brown was supposed to be fighting a war either for the Union or Confederacy. So he got so pissy drunk that nobody. So that neither side would choose him. And so they said, drunk is Cuda Brown. They were saying it Civil War joke.

[Joe Budden]

Try to educate us, but Civil War. Being dummies, you know, Civil War was cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My great grandparents were slaves. Yeah, we got Civil War jokes in the family. But anyway, yeah, no Mary did that. I think it's okay to say. Cause she's got Alzheimer's now. She won't remember this. She came home to the house and she was drinking, got drunk. She got in a little argument with my cousin John and said to him, yo, that ain't your dad. Anyway, and then John got mad, was ready to kill her, all this shit. And then she got more drunk and just started breaking down. Your real dad lived here? He was here. He was up there. He lived up the street. You know who, you know what I mean.

[Freeze]

Anybody else in this family got curly hair?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, she said green eyes. Yeah, because he was a green eyed Jamaican dude. Yeah, so I've seen that happen where the drunk mind say some shit that we never heard before.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that happened in black families too. Where you telling all your secrets to the nigga in the family that's gonna get the drunkest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what they do when I'm married. Because she got drunk every week.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but back to game. And Drama was saying it's supposed to be putting out a project this Friday. I had the pleasure of reading the track list. Track 12 being the assassination Of Candace Owens is irresponsible. Absolutely nuts to me. Other than that, I look forward to the project. Well, even that. Cause I do wanna hear what the fuck you talking about. Normally when you name a track that the person has been assassinated.

[Freeze]

No, you know, she just put out some information that she got.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. Duh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bye, Charlie.

[Queens Flip]

Kirk.

[Joe Budden]

I'm slow. She just put that I'm slow. Candace has been saying that people are trying to assassinate her. See? And that's when I get for judging game.

[Ish]

Twice.

[Joe Budden]

That is. That's all right.

[Freeze]

They ain't gonna clip this part up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, go get the first part. Oh, no. The first hour have done enough. Anybody else? You'll have to leave it at my tombstone. They done clipped this up. This is in Fort Dix by now.

[Ish]

By the first show.

[Joe Budden]

Are you kidding me? This is all that nigga got. So notes in Fort Dix. There's an eagle just flying to himself.

[Freeze]

Dropping some shit off.

[Joe Budden]

Dropping this shit off. Yeah, yeah. It's over. It's over. That's funny. That nigga wanted to kill me when we signed that Spotify deal right after that revolt.

[Freeze]

Shit.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, he did not get it. He ain't get that at all. We announced the revolt. State of the culture. Shit, billboards up or whatever, nigga. A week later, Spotify was like, hey, the Joe Button show, boy. That nigga wanted to kill me in the end.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, man. Did he say something to you?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or you just heard the debris line? No, I ain't gonna say.

[Queens Flip]

Somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I said, have you sent people?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Freeze]

Did he summon you?

[Joe Budden]

Me and him spoke a bunch, you know. No, he called. He could have tore Ian ass up and it might have been my birthday to you Blame Ian. It was my birthday. You don't blame Ian.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You already.

[Freeze]

Don't you blame Ian?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He could have told me.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't blame Ian. We were taking that Spotify deal. No, he said on the phone with Puff.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, look, it wasn't me. I didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no. If it wasn't my birthday, I'd have been at the front of the call, too. But we was at Lolita's when it was Sabor. Had to run out there, boy. And it was mad anyway.

[Queens Flip]

And you buttoned it.

[Joe Budden]

Puff.

[Freeze]

This is gonna make the show more valuable. You don't understand.

[Queens Flip]

Puff, you somebody vision. He was explaining, right.

[Freeze]

It's gonna make this show more powerful because it's gonna take my audience and bring them over to your audience.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said that.

[Freeze]

We know.

[Queens Flip]

I know you, nigga.

[Freeze]

Fuck you.

[Joe Budden]

Turn right over out of there, nigga.

[Queens Flip]

Turn to Gregory Oz, quick. Hey, wait.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you something. This is just funny now. Is it copping a plea if it's true?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Can copping a plea also be true?

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got me then. You got me.

[Queens Flip]

How mad was he, though?

[Joe Budden]

Like, Yellow was mad. He was mad.

[Queens Flip]

Did he poke one of you?

[Joe Budden]

I think he was boarding the jet to get to it. No, he was on his way. But, I mean, it made sense. What we. Our plea made sense and we believed it.

[Freeze]

It was true, and it probably turned out to be true.

[Joe Budden]

No, for sure. 100. It turned out to be true, but he didn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And Puffer did the same thing in the same situation.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's speculative, but we can say that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I mean, it's good business. I'm just saying, like, ultimately, I think people can get over shift. They know deep down it was the right move.

[Joe Budden]

No, I think if I give one of y' all a shitload a shitload of money and then put a billboard up, and the very next week, y' all sign with the Food Network and they give you more money and put up more billboards, I may have a talk with one of y', all, too.

[Freeze]

Phone gonna ring. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Just to talk.

[Queens Flip]

All you're gonna ask is, are you not? No.

[Joe Budden]

The church?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Don't say.

[Joe Budden]

Because you could have told me first.

[Queens Flip]

But then they'll take away.

[Joe Budden]

But with that, it just happened to land around the same time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So in retrospect, you wish you would have had a conversation with him before he came to you.

[Joe Budden]

No. Hell no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. I want to hear it.

[Freeze]

We was going to answer the live for no.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, man. Where the was Cory at that time.

[Joe Budden]

Instead of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Freeze]

What?

[Ish]

Game drama.

[Freeze]

Drama.

[Ish]

Looking forward to them.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Ish]

Or mixtape or whatever.

[Freeze]

Entirely produced by Mike and Keys. I know problems featured on it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Jason.

[Ish]

Jason.

[Freeze]

Jason Martin. Pardon. But yeah, I'm waiting for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My tripping. I thought it was coming out last. I swear I was looking for it.

[Freeze]

Last week they announced that it was coming out Last week. I made some phone calls to try to get it, and on Wednesday, I knew it wasn't coming out Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha.

[Freeze]

And now it's this Friday, so.

[Joe Budden]

So you didn't get it? Nope.

[Queens Flip]

You gonna try to get them all.

[Joe Budden]

Your phone calls fell.

[Freeze]

No, no, no. It wasn't. It wasn't done to be. It wasn't done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Violence, violence.

[Queens Flip]

Not violence.

[Joe Budden]

Violence, violence.

[Freeze]

Flowers.

[Joe Budden]

Did they answer?

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

We just didn't get it.

[Freeze]

It wasn't done. Stop Playing my man.

[Joe Budden]

You trying to play me, but I.

[Queens Flip]

Can'T let you down.

[Joe Budden]

So you trying to play so they.

[Queens Flip]

Don'T play with Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

So you get it when it's when we get when we get it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, they sent him the itunes link.

[Queens Flip]

Actually, Freeze got the connection.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't trying to call to get it?

[Queens Flip]

I do.

[Freeze]

I'm a call and get some music if I know nigga's working on it. Give me that now.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I'm so phony. What you saying is true. So we all again. All right. So now I really want to hear the assassination candidates.

[Freeze]

I want to hear this whole project because game don't miss on a project.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Game don't ever miss. I love it.

[Freeze]

They're saying it for years. One of the best overall discographies out there, in my opinion.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm looking forward to?

[Queens Flip]

Is he a list rapper phrase to you?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Queens Flip]

Because he said that in the thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I wanted to know, you mean like top tier?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. In terms of tapping? Yes.

[Ish]

But is celebrity?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Freeze]

Or brand?

[Joe Budden]

No, no. But just rapping ability.

[Ish]

Rapping ability?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Freeze]

A th percent.

[Joe Budden]

There's not a room in the world where people are rapping. And he won't be elite. Yeah.

[Freeze]

And. And we'll keep up. If not out rap in that room.

[Joe Budden]

It might be some dudes nicer maybe. But he belongs in any room that elite rapping is happening. Yeah.

[Freeze]

That's a fact.

[Queens Flip]

Nice. Shout out the game.

[Joe Budden]

And he does that chameleon. So he could rhyme like anybody in the world almost. If you're super dope, it's best to shut up around him.

[Freeze]

Leave him alone.

[Joe Budden]

Because then when you get on your track sound like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

Game is game is one of them.

[Joe Budden]

That was a rough couple of weeks when me and him had to go back and forth. It was. That is over. I can say it. The spade game up 8,000 bars.

[Ish]

Y' all too long winded ass.

[Freeze]

And they.

[Joe Budden]

And they.

[Queens Flip]

They.

[Freeze]

They'll go right back in.

[Joe Budden]

Quiet is kept. I thought I could rap better than everybody, but I was hanging my hat on stamina and. And just ability to go. And then you bump into another with stamina. Pause same. And got the same amount of energy and time on his hands and love this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 900 bars. Back to you. You 901. You wasn't supposed to do that. You supposed to do a 16. I was supposed to say, oh, you can't keep up. Or you're supposed to wait. You're supposed to wait a little bit. All right, so now you do 900. All right, I'm gonna go give you 900 the next day. Now you gonna go give me 900 an hour later. It's like, at some point, if you got a life, one of you will stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of bars, y' all ready for this Cassidy versus Easy joint? I'm a Philadelphia, so.

[Freeze]

No, no, I'll answer.

[Joe Budden]

No, Mark. Sound like such a square intro on some of this. Shut up, Mark. No, speaking of bonus, you're ready for this Cassidy versus Easy joke.

[Freeze]

I'm gonna tell you, Mark, the best part of Cassidy battles is the Face off and everything leading up to the battle. I don't need to watch the battle. He's great up until the battle starts.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was cooking him on Instagram.

[Joe Budden]

All of that up until the battle.

[Freeze]

Starts and he starts rapping. Then I check out.

[Joe Budden]

Cassidy is absolutely destroying. Not that I would have put this right here at this block, but since we're here. We're here, though. Since we're here, Cassidy is absolutely destroying. Easy to block captain in the pre battle battle.

[Freeze]

Cassidy, you can't fuck with him in none of this.

[Joe Budden]

He is the absolute king of the pre battle battle.

[Freeze]

All of that from the Face off, everything from anything before the battle's announced.

[Joe Budden]

If he decided to tweet, if he decided to put a reel at anything he decides to do before a battle. Is Richard Pryor. Like, yeah, dog, I followed him on Instagram.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Joe Budden]

He been putting on such a clinic. I said, all right, I can't miss none of this. I can't. No, he doesn't show.

[Freeze]

He done.

[Joe Budden]

They done found easy to block captains yearbook picture shit. That's the least of it. But yeah, his yearbook picture. They found his best friend, did an interview there. I guess he's from Pottsville. His whole thing is easy to block. Athens not from Philadelphia. They done found old battles where he admit he not from Philadelphia. I've learned way too much about some picture where it's fucking got the slits in his beard looking all fucking crazy. Cassidy is. Yeah, he's killing him now when the battle gets here, a little different. Yeah, he's gonna pay for some of this stuff.

[Freeze]

A lot of it.

[Joe Budden]

Cause this. This can rap still. He gonna pay for some of this stuff at battle time. I was supposed to meet up with Lux and Mook last night. I went right to sleep on them. Right to bed. Eight o' clock mean eight o'. Clock. Sorry, I'm 45.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I knew you was lying last Week.

[Joe Budden]

When you see old. I'm 45 years old. If I. If I say 8 o', clock, it mean 8 o'. Clock. But we're gonna try it again tonight. I'm get with them. I'm gonna get with them. See what's going on with those.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So Cass ain't got no chance of winning this battle, though.

[Freeze]

Not to me.

[Joe Budden]

He got a chance.

[Freeze]

If. If, if. Easy choke.

[Joe Budden]

If he ever had a. If there was ever somebody with a bunch of. To work with. You got a lot to work with. And Cassidy's funny. Well, ca.

[Ish]

Well, unintentionally.

[Joe Budden]

Let me start with. Cassidy can rap.

[Queens Flip]

He can.

[Ish]

He can.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like I feel like I'm doing him a disservice by thoughts. Cassidy can rap.

[Freeze]

Can he battle rap?

[Joe Budden]

That to decide. Maybe not.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean his record would indicate otherwise, I think.

[Freeze]

What's his record?

[Joe Budden]

I got him above 500 or at 500.

[Freeze]

Oh. Cause he's six. What did he say six.

[Joe Budden]

No, stop, stop.

[Freeze]

I thought that's what you was talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Let's not get crazy. I thought.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Let's not get crazy.

[Queens Flip]

I think it's just out.

[Joe Budden]

When is this battle.

[Queens Flip]

I think it's just outdated to some people. That's it.

[Freeze]

That's very outdated.

[Joe Budden]

Cassidy is.

[Queens Flip]

He still can rap and I think he's great. Right.

[Joe Budden]

He beat a murder charge in hip hop. That's all you need is to be funny. And had beaten a murder and a.

[Ish]

Couple hit records so hurt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

That don't hit record.

[Joe Budden]

You got more. You got more than a couple.

[Freeze]

Yes, quite a few.

[Joe Budden]

No, it do mean something. Yes, I do. Yes, it do. Yes, it do. In battle rap, there's never a world. Yes. Yes, it do. Yes, it do.

[Freeze]

What would it mean?

[Joe Budden]

It means that I have a million more angles to sun you and make you look like you just inexperienced. Never made. And I never succeeded.

[Freeze]

And then I can say all of that. You standing right here talking to me. Have you started? What's all your hit records brought you right here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When you be at these live joints, does the crowd. Is the crowd gonna give you more favor and grace because you're a star outside of the battle scene? Or is it the opposite?

[Freeze]

Not in this case.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are they rooting against you?

[Freeze]

Not in this case. Case. Sometimes it depends on if who. Like if you want a card and maybe somebody home field advantage or it might not know this person that much then. Yeah, in this case that ain't gonna.

[Joe Budden]

That don't matter. No.

[Freeze]

You started talking about some platinum albums and you Got on some old Timberlands, I am going to roof you.

[Joe Budden]

Okay? But if I start talking about platinum albums and I have new Timberlands on, then what?

[Freeze]

What, you drove here? I'm gonna find an ankle like, yo, I'm just giving the example.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all are correct. There'll always be a rebuttal. But I'm on the side of the guy that has hit records and can rap as being able to come up with more angles. If you was a fan of me growing up, if I was on TV while you was. Where was you when I was like, it's too much cool. It's just too much shit.

[Freeze]

Hold on, hold on. If you had hit records 20 years ago and you've had five battles in that time frame, give or take six, whatever, and I've been at a high clip for a minute, that ain't gonna help you get staged. None of that's gonna help you. What's the fat from?

[Joe Budden]

I think any angle you could think of can be helpful to you.

[Freeze]

Yeah, you also standing. No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're right.

[Freeze]

You're right with that.

[Joe Budden]

But.

[Freeze]

But you gotta come better than that. Who's standing across a killer? You standing across from a killer.

[Joe Budden]

Easy. Still a killer. All right. He is. But the killer has given Cassidy an address, his work schedule, where his girl lives. He giving him a lot is all.

[Freeze]

No, no. For sure now.

[Joe Budden]

We'll see. I still think that Easy is one of them. So come battle time, this may look a little. A little different.

[Freeze]

I just. I've seen this. I've seen Cassidy be amazing. Like I say, face off, everything lead up to the battle, and then once he gets on that stage.

[Joe Budden]

It'S. It's.

[Freeze]

It's Cassidy from 2003 rapping, and that ain't going to work. And this has happened time after time after time after time. So, yeah, all of this other is great. You winning right now. When y' all standing across from each other on stage. If you bring 2003 up here again, like you've been doing, pack him up.

[Joe Budden]

I also think. Right. And I'm. I'm with some of what you're saying. Like, it depends on what happens night of the fight. And I won't hold y' all too long with all this. But normally with hit records comes different experience, too, though, like, so that's true. There could be a situation where. I'm not saying this happened, but where the lights may be too bright if Cassidy starts saying, this might be your biggest battle ever. If he's Just start getting into certain shit because he's more. I think it's Keith Sweat, Bobby Brown. I always say that. I think it's Keep Sweat Bobby Brown, the kid who's been rapping and on a tear. But you're not like that. You're not like that. Cassidy just doing his version of not like us with Easy. That's all he'd been doing for. For the pre battle. Yo, you're not like us. You're from Pottsville. You went to Pottsville High.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, when we were doing this, you would. When I was beating my murder case, you were eating peanut butter and J. Just in the pre battle chain. It sounds fly.

[Queens Flip]

It does.

[Joe Budden]

It sounds fly.

[Freeze]

I ain't going to lie to you. I'm not saying it'll work until you're not like us point when not like us. The song came out, it was still good. So I say all that is Cassidy could do all that. You still have to get on that stage and perform, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Got it.

[Freeze]

And nothing has shown me that he. That that's what he does.

[Joe Budden]

There you have it. We got it. All right. No, we did it. Mark brought it up.

[Queens Flip]

That ought to beat down.

[Joe Budden]

Mark brought it up and shut up.

[Queens Flip]

You getting old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm learning. I can listen.

[Joe Budden]

Speaking of bars, you guys, it's a pretty hot battle coming up. Yeah, take it away. Throw that and walk away.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Let's get to. And then won't intro. The topic that we need in the intro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Frank Sinatra.

[Ish]

Oh, we can do that, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all be waiting.

[Ish]

Speaking of knobs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So apparently Frank Sinatra.

[Ish]

I love that. This is where your journalism expertise got you.

[Freeze]

No, the funniest is what is written on the board. Frank Sinatra holding. Yo, that's crazy, brother.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. Yeah, Mark, go ahead. Speaking of bars.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy. Go ahead.

[Freeze]

Wait to tell us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So the news hit yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

No, it didn't.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, it hit.

[Joe Budden]

The news hit out of here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Anyway, Joe, you brought this topic up this morning. You said it's something you want us to talk about. So I'm just trying to get through the intro. It's literally the first thing on the board, y'. All. I don't.

[Freeze]

Yo, we caught.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not Afghanistan, not Trump, not the Diddy Doc.

[Joe Budden]

But why he couldn't just drag Parks? Who they had this talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't have no.

[Joe Budden]

Frank Sinatra gotta be wearing white. Dj.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh. Cause he been jabbing for the last five minutes. I gotta.

[Joe Budden]

All right, fine. I'll take it both.

[Ish]

Not in the dick conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Not in the dick Conversation. Submit it. Mad fast ass too. Like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I'll take it.

[Joe Budden]

What a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, Paul, if y' all know Paul Ana, one of the, you know, really important singer and songwriters of the 20th century, who wrote My Way, by the way for Frank Sinatra.

[Joe Budden]

Pasha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that would be fine.

[Ish]

You got a pistol.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And so what's my way? I did it My Way.

[Queens Flip]

That song. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

I thought that was Elvis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Elvis did a version as well.

[Ish]

You know a lot of this.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, why version as well? I had an AM station, so Paul.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anka, I'm not sure why, but Paul Anka did an interview, I had a conversation where he confirmed that Frank Sinatra has a very large penis.

[Joe Budden]

I have a quote, please.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Ish]

I had trouble with eye contact. Before noting that Sinatra had nothing on Milton Berle. Apparently his second wife, Ava Gardner previously described her husband as having a 19 pound penis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, she says 110 pounds, but his penis.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, Frank or Milton?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Milton.

[Joe Budden]

Milton. Was that sound like the name Milton Barrel? Milton Barrel is laying down right.

[Freeze]

19 pounds of little old ass Miller.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So apparently they used to hang out in the sauna. This is how it happened. And in the sauna got me looking.

[Ish]

At these Ian and Mark shows a little different.

[Joe Budden]

But nobody was showing in that show. Regular poundage, mad sauna scenes. Didn't see a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's giving Tony Bennett not a. Oh shit.

[Joe Budden]

Boney Bennett. Boney Bennett.

[Queens Flip]

So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So they were in a song and I guess back then they would notice each other's size. And Frank Sinatra already had a huge rep. Frank, he had a reputation, a very well known reputation in Hollywood for having a large penis among the women, including his ex wife. And then Milton Burrow was another one of those people. And so for some reason yesterday Paul Anka, who has a dot coming out soon, called My Way.

[Ish]

I thought it was about the dicks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a different doc. We wanted people to know. He confirmed it. He confirmed it. I guess I'm not sure why this was such a big news to people.

[Joe Budden]

Question to y' all because I don't know. I'm not a sauna expert and I know what they be saying out there about you sauna you saw in a bro. But I'll ask y'. All, are you supposed to have a hard dick in the sauna?

[Freeze]

No, that's what I was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it was hard.

[Ish]

If it's £19.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If it's £19 flat, you got a problem. But I think in the sauna they.

[Joe Budden]

Were just saying just on the sleep.

[Ish]

Just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like on the shrivel in a sauna. They saying Frank was still holding?

[Joe Budden]

No, if one of them come in the song, I'm out. Why would I sit there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's what Paul was saying. He said that's why he couldn't have eye contact with Frank. He said after he saw that all. That he couldn't. He was intimidated.

[Freeze]

Oh, man, the. That make the news.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, so let me ask y' all a question.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz do be intimidating. I'm getting the out of there.

[Queens Flip]

Are you kidding me? So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, this is a safe space, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, but it's fine. Go ahead, ask. Anyway.

[Queens Flip]

Do y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all be in gyms and so on? Have you ever.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. Gyms.

[Freeze]

The gym.

[Ish]

I've been in sawdust, too.

[Queens Flip]

And I've.

[Ish]

I've never encountered a 19 pound penis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but y' all see penises right.

[Joe Budden]

When you go to micro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I've never been on a team sport. And accidentally. Inadvertently.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's.

[Ish]

Don't you.

[Joe Budden]

Don't you mute up after the conversation?

[Freeze]

These cool here.

[Joe Budden]

Keep going. And he got the nerve to be making a face. So if you could speak to the side that. And you was on the basketball team, right, when you was four' eleven or some shit.

[Freeze]

I was just listening to y' all lie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you speak the truth? Speak truth to power.

[Freeze]

I was waiting for him to speak truth to penis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. So, I mean, it's just sort of like, well, if the answer is no, it's moot. But like, I was just gonna say, like, y' all seen them. Have y' all ever seen something to make you be like, oh, shit? It's like intimidating?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Queens Flip]

You gonna say oh, shit. You be like, oh, salute. All right, nigga. That's what you. Wait a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute.

[Freeze]

Yo, you.

[Queens Flip]

You said you putting that work in.

[Joe Budden]

Tuesday is a fact.

[Queens Flip]

You know you need a taxi partner. Listen, the greatest.

[Freeze]

You going to Dapple Market.

[Queens Flip]

You said salute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute.

[Joe Budden]

You big dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you putting that work in. You call him big man.

[Freeze]

You call him big man.

[Queens Flip]

N. I don't do all that, but n. Some. Listen, I know what he talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Get this, Junior.

[Queens Flip]

She's not saying my son gay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's the cameraman.

[Joe Budden]

Don't punch me.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, but I say salute. Oh, why would you say that?

[Freeze]

You pointed out too.

[Queens Flip]

No, listen, listen. Let me paint the scene for you.

[Joe Budden]

He be saluting the mid too. The backyard boogie.

[Queens Flip]

Listen, listen. Paint the scene. You know what I'm saying, listen, if one of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen.

[Queens Flip]

A lot of times growing up would put work in. In group settings, right?

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

You know what I'm talking about?

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

One of the. Maybe so maybe holding more than others. So when you go out the room like, oh, nigga, you put that work in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute.

[Queens Flip]

You know what I'm saying? That's not gay.

[Freeze]

Y' all wash your hands first.

[Joe Budden]

I want to stay on this topic, too.

[Queens Flip]

What are you hitting on me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I apologize.

[Queens Flip]

That's all right.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What are you saluting him for? Just to be clear, he put it.

[Queens Flip]

What he put in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What, like the quality.

[Joe Budden]

Because he holding. So you.

[Queens Flip]

Everybody not intimidated. Like you.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Queens Flip]

You gotta go put that work in you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have group sex with dudes.

[Queens Flip]

So you never had group sex with dudes? You never ran a train on a girl?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Freeze]

All right.

[Queens Flip]

You was in a cult. I forgot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My fault.

[Queens Flip]

I'll take that back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I just had sex with women.

[Queens Flip]

Even at a young age.

[Joe Budden]

If I'm in a cult, I'm doing a train.

[Ish]

Especially when that cold business.

[Joe Budden]

They can't even leave. I'm in a cold. A train is going. You might have been in Kabura training. No.

[Queens Flip]

No disrespect to the women.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me just be clear. Let me just say something. No disrespect because trains mean different things in different places. You mean a consensual group sex?

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. No, no. I'm saying that so the audience knows that later. I'm just saying that's trains me different things in different areas. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Queens Flip]

Pardon me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And what Flip is explaining to y' all is that he was in the middle of it.

[Freeze]

Said was on your caboose.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, that's not what I'm saying.

[Freeze]

I'm not saying what they know the only.

[Queens Flip]

Hit me, please.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that. Yo, yo, two hour is got train noises. No, I'm not saying that. Silly. Yo. Being disrespected. I'm saying normally in the consensual train. I hate society that you have to say consensual train. But in the consensual train, I was either very first or very last.

[Queens Flip]

You said I was in the middle. Watch your middle is better than last.

[Freeze]

On the train.

[Joe Budden]

There was never a time where I was coming. In the consensual training.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You was dead last cleanup man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

And he kissed him. And he kissed him. Oh, damn. What Damn Damn, girl. What he did. He making love to her like that. I ain't going to treat you like this. What he did. Tell me your story.

[Joe Budden]

They get mad at them when you get out.

[Queens Flip]

You been in there for two hours. Get the out. You been in there for two hours.

[Freeze]

She.

[Joe Budden]

This is funny. The truth is way funnier. And what's truth if I'm last in the train? I was talking. I was talking to them. Yeah. It was never sex.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

I would. I wouldn't do it.

[Queens Flip]

You did an interview.

[Ish]

How was it?

[Freeze]

We'll get to know you better.

[Joe Budden]

Which one was your favorite scale?

[Ish]

Is there any Frank Sinatras in the room?

[Joe Budden]

Are you okay? Are you. Are you good? You really down with this after one of them shits?

[Queens Flip]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

I learned quickly that. That life wasn't real. One of them shits. I. I stepped to my niggas, like, yo, why are we doing it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why y' all doing this?

[Queens Flip]

You pressed.

[Joe Budden]

You. Listen. I was. When this is going on 14. Everybody's older. They picking the girl up from high school at lunchtime. Like, I'm 14. But very shortly after that, know what I realized.

[Ish]

What I was.

[Joe Budden]

I could just beg who I want and them like, true. And we no longer needed to go get in the Chevy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Groupon. The pussy got five on it. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't need to do that no more. I would go to the same schools. Hey, Dickinson. And just do my own one too. You niggas are freaks. Nut ass, freak boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But flip, just before we leave it there.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Mark ain't let this shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no. So. But you say in the middle of all of that, if you saw somebody who was well endowed, you would shout them out.

[Queens Flip]

Not in the middle.

[Joe Budden]

When we.

[Queens Flip]

When everything is done. Not the middle.

[Ish]

It's all done.

[Freeze]

I'm not accepting.

[Joe Budden]

By the way.

[Freeze]

Earlier.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you.

[Freeze]

I saw you, though.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know you had all that.

[Freeze]

How you walk with that, yo?

[Queens Flip]

How you hold all that right? Look at y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Queens Flip]

That nigga is whisperers.

[Joe Budden]

Look at y'. All.

[Queens Flip]

I give credit where credit is due, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think credit was due, though?

[Queens Flip]

That's my. Yeah, nigga, put that work in salute. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's nothing about your shape say that. You was walking in like on some bone crusher tension, like, hey, yo, listen, on your Clint Eastwood floor, they saying, was that nigga in the train like the bad version in a song. Oh, my God. Yo, I didn't notice about. About. Was Frank Sinatra bisexual?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Ish]

We gotta ask Quincy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Quincy never. You know, he never Mentioned it.

[Ish]

Oh, wait, no, but he worked with. So he might not. He might not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of people. Last few years of Quincy was.

[Joe Budden]

Was giving it up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, literally.

[Queens Flip]

And.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But no, I read all his biographies. No one has ever suggested that. Yeah, this seems to be.

[Joe Budden]

That was a shady. Literally. I don't want that literally to go on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I appreciate you're shady.

[Freeze]

Right.

[Ish]

But shady messy all the same.

[Joe Budden]

He's all the things.

[Queens Flip]

That's what they do and they catch it later.

[Joe Budden]

And none of his little educator friends seem to know it.

[Freeze]

No, they don't see that side.

[Queens Flip]

Take that angel.

[Joe Budden]

No, his real friends know and how friends. Oh, they know in the house. They knew what Tommy was doing.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but no, Frank is just. It's all based on the song. It's all based on the kind of stuff we talking about with dudes just hanging around in a homo social space where it's all of us, you know, hanging out, kicking it. And sometimes you just notice things.

[Joe Budden]

If my dick was like that, I would be in the sauna too.

[Ish]

Yeah, let that thing hang.

[Joe Budden]

I would.

[Ish]

Yeah, fuck that.

[Joe Budden]

Just awesome show.

[Ish]

I was on some.

[Queens Flip]

Let that shit hook around.

[Joe Budden]

Throw him. Yeah, it's real hot in here today, fellas.

[Freeze]

Yo, Richard Pryor said with the big meat is coming the urinal.

[Queens Flip]

He be standing back here. Don't be beating in the urinal like this.

[Freeze]

That nigga come in like you par me, dog. I'll make move my shit to the left. That's crazy. Yo, you would be in the sauna.

[Joe Budden]

Showing off, big dick nigga. Just gonna make me not talk to her no more. You can have it. It's cool. It's like you putting a bat inside of you, bitch.

[Freeze]

Oh, that's what you want?

[Joe Budden]

Get your ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you a Martian. You an alien, bitch.

[Freeze]

That's the type of you. You crazy as that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, TLC said it stick to the rivers and the lakes that you used to streams.

[Ish]

In this case, maybe.

[Freeze]

I'm skinny dipping.

[Joe Budden]

I want it all. You crazy. That's back when you used to dream.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, skinny dipping and shit, huh?

[Joe Budden]

What he do want it all skinny dipping for?

[Freeze]

You think I wouldn't go behind another nigga? Cause they.

[Joe Budden]

No, we don't. Nobody thinks that about you. Nobody. It's not one. One person said this ain't going behind his man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Said what?

[Queens Flip]

That. Yo, I. I'm realizing a lot about you. So it was an era where you would just.

[Ish]

Behind your man behind Milton Burrow is wild.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Queens Flip]

That's Imagination. Answer the. It's not. It's old.

[Freeze]

No, that's not meaning like, yo, that's not what we saying. He said, yo, if a got big dick, you wouldn't behind him. And I said, yo. Yo, you that got to do with me, cuz.

[Queens Flip]

You got a big one yourself.

[Freeze]

I'm not going. Not sl.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Queens Flip]

I big you up these n. They insecure. I big my son up for what.

[Freeze]

You picking him up for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you big him up for?

[Ish]

We know what he picks people up for.

[Queens Flip]

I just salute my man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, all right.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you, some of the wrong pair of alo bottoms show your on extreme nap time. You ain't sleeping a lot is around with these Halo outfits. On Thanksgiving, I had two 18 year olds and Keno coming in with that quarter zip alo on. I'm just telling you Halo. Some of the bottom. Y' all are confused. Where did y' all get that from?

[Queens Flip]

You just remember.

[Joe Budden]

Quarter zip and a matcha is the thing out there. I know you don't have. I'm saying you said bottoms show your.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you mean some of them.

[Joe Budden]

No, I buy them.

[Queens Flip]

What are y' all talking about? Oh, you say your be on sleep.

[Joe Budden]

All right, you guys got it, man. Y', all. You'll take the gay stuff too far sometimes.

[Queens Flip]

No, but you gotta say, listen back to it. Put a rewind, whatever that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get where the confusion happened. But the joke was on you, so I just let it rock.

[Joe Budden]

And on Thanksgiving, that's what you're doing.

[Queens Flip]

Like me. What?

[Joe Budden]

Make it sick. Make it sick.

[Freeze]

You the one said it. Going to turkey leg.

[Queens Flip]

Come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

No, I said it, cuz Sometimes I could grab the wrong alo bottoms going to work out. And it's Marisol in the ch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, and they complain.

[Joe Budden]

You know what? Me, Meg the Stallion. Meg the Stallion has won her case versus. He's such a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We did it. We did it.

[Joe Budden]

Meg thee Stallion has kind of won her case against Milagro for defamation and a few other things. I got all this shit in my phone. I ain't pulling it up. I got it. You do it, mark.

[Freeze]

She wants 75k.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it was even less than that.

[Queens Flip]

56.

[Ish]

I think it was 50 something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, 59.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, 59. That's right.

[Freeze]

The judge hasn't decided, hasn't said the actual number yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But the federal jury sided with her and agreed that a blogger defamed and harassed her. Jurors initially awarded Megan 75,000, which District Judge indicated could change in her final written Judgment. So we don't know what the final number. Yeah, we don't know the final number is going to be. But there were a couple questions on the trial, one of which was whether Milagro counted as a journalist.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause that was part of the, that was part of the debate, you know, like, who. What's the duty of the person doing the talking? But ultimately they ruled in Meagan's favor. I think Megan wanted a lot. Well, we know Megan wanted a lot more money than that. And I don't know how I feel about the amount. That's not really my thing. But she clearly was defamed. They said that she was being used as a proxy. Megan alleged that she was being used.

[Joe Budden]

As a proxy, but we don't know if she was defamed yet. Megan Cunliffe, the court reporter, says that the judge is still waiting to determine if the judge sees it as the jury did. The jury. The jury said Milagro is media, and we have to see what the judge thinks. Milagros attorney put out a statement that said the judge agreed that she is media. So the defamation came. Will be dropped. That's all they waiting on for the defamation part of it.

[Ish]

It's the revenge porn thing that's going to be. Or whatever they call it.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

That's, that's going to be the bigger issue.

[Joe Budden]

None of it was a big issue.

[Ish]

I just don't think that you could put out porn of someone else, whether it's AI or not, and use a media personality as a.

[Freeze]

Jury. Has found Malago liable for defaming Megan Thee Stallion. Intentionally inflicting emotional distress by coordinating with Tory Lanez and for promoting the Deepfake video.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

So, yeah, they found her liable for that. But again, it's still waiting for the judge's final.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but that's about the sentencing is, I mean, that's about the judge. The award.

[Freeze]

Award.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But I mean, I'm glad. I mean, I think it sets a good precedent. Take the Tory Lanez stuff off the table. Take the Megan Thee Stallion stuff off the table for a minute, just in terms of journalists defaming public figures, putting out revenge porn about people, whether it's AI or not. These are things that's a precedent we don't want to set. Whether we like the person or don't like the person. Agree with them or don't agree with them. And I, I happen to support Megan Thee Stallion. I, I, I support her this entire time. But even if I didn't, I'll Be saying this, this ain't about that. If someone did it to Tori, I'd say the same thing.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, I, I, I agree 100% with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, she spent a lot of money to get that, that $75,000.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So at some point, you got to.

[Joe Budden]

Ask yourself, should I pay lawyer fees too?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

But is she gonna have it?

[Joe Budden]

It?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. So this is where it gets interesting.

[Freeze]

So some people, it ain't about getting.

[Queens Flip]

It's.

[Freeze]

It's like, again, I'm sending, I'm sending a message, bro, you got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like that. Great. I'm all about going for the principal and spending the money to do it if I have it. But if you don't? I don't. I, I don't know. I don't know. Megan's pockets.

[Freeze]

I think she's aligned with the right people that got it.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Freeze]

Now they'll spend it to get to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, then didn't it.

[Freeze]

Then you think the Cardi case was the motivation? Like, just. I think that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, with Tasha.

[Freeze]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, these people wake up every single day and see people saying just the worst that they could possibly say. It's like, yo, enough is enough. I'm gonna try to put an end to it. Cause Cardi got awarded 4 mil, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Freeze]

So I'm assuming that Meg thought she would have probably got, you know what I mean, in the ballpark.

[Joe Budden]

Well, she was asking for 30 million, Meg.

[Freeze]

So if they would have settled that three or four, it would have been, you know what I mean? Moment. At that point, I don't think she thought she was gonna get 70 grand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's not worth it financially. But again, you're setting a precedent.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I agree. I think some, some of these. I'm not, not even saying malaga, just in general. Some of these people cross the line with. It'd be personal. With some of these attacks on, on celebrities. And sometimes they cross a line, and folks wanna, you can't do that. So now you gotta be punished for it. And I think that that needs to be. I'm with the president being set. Me too. Like, yeah, you can dislike me all you want, but once you cross a line, like in the, in the Cardi instance, you discussing medical diagnosis and shit, like, you've crossed the line. Same thing with Meg. You're promoting deep fake porn videos. You've crossed the line.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but one of the points of contention were if I'm media and I have crossed the line. Then before you file, you have to send me a cease and desist, which you did not.

[Freeze]

Right. That is one of the points that they want. That's still. I agree. I'm just saying, if the line is crossed, though, there are things you're supposed. I'm with it. So now some procedural misconduct. Cause as protocol or procedure, you're supposed to send me a cease and desist and give me the opportunity to take it down. And they didn't do it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, if I'm media, Which is why they're waiting to see if she's media. She's ruled media. I think it's a win for Milagro. I mean, I'm not gonna get into it because the Clippers are just waiting to clip me up, talking about some Meg shit, and I'm over it. But I don't see how it's not a win for Milagros.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that was gonna be my question. Do you run the risk of amplifying somebody's voice and expanding their platform by doing this? I don't know how big Milagros was before this, but I can't imagine she's not much bigger. And if she only had to pay $75,000.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let's not do that, because she will be liable for the attorney fees, and that's where they're gonna bang her at.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fair enough.

[Joe Budden]

But even that's payable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's all I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

It's payable when you have an audience. And Milagro does.

[Freeze]

Yes, she does.

[Joe Budden]

She has an audience. She's good at what she does. I think this is a learning lesson for her, because I was one of the first people to say, it's not the wild, wild West. You can't just start doing and saying anything out here. If we are media, we got to be held to a certain standard. But Milagro has a huge audience. She's really talented, and I don't see how any of this hurts her. Like, I went how.

[Freeze]

Let's say the attorney fees are half a mil a bi. Ain't just sitting on 700, 600,000 liquid.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying she is, but she's already raised money in support of what she's doing. She has an audience to. Whereas that's not. So that's not such a daunting day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And if you add half a million views. If you add.

[Joe Budden]

And if my audience goes up.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If my audience goes. Increases from this, then I don't. I don't.

[Freeze]

I don't see it in that sense.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what I'm saying, because that's all.

[Joe Budden]

And you were asking me for 30 million. How do you not walk out of.

[Freeze]

There high fiving your attorney? Nah, I get it based on what you were facing, but it's like somebody saying, yo, I was looking at 20 years, but I only got five.

[Ish]

Five still five.

[Freeze]

Some be like, yeah, it's five. Five is five.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Freeze]

Like, that ain't no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but she got parole, I think, is the point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Relative. You know what I mean? And a lifetime example.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I guess, maybe. I guess that's contingent upon what. Which. How much money she got then? Because 600,000. Let's say I know Meg ain't got no. The cheap attorneys. No. You know what I mean? And then the attorneys on purpose will probably bump up the billing hours on purpose to stick it to you some more. You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And so I just think if your platform expands the way I think hers will from this, it might. It's probably still worth it.

[Freeze]

It'll justify it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm not saying you should do it again. I think what she did was awful. But if your calculus is, well, how can I get more famous and more wealthy? This probably still worked out for her.

[Freeze]

And this don't always go this way. So like you said, this just worked out for her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Cause you could have got banged for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That 30 if you got banged for the 30 now.

[Freeze]

It's totally different.

[Queens Flip]

Different.

[Freeze]

Totally different conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, Milagro is online painting herself to be the new modern day fucking modern martyr and fucking savior. And I fought the war for all of us. And we are changing the media landscape and the rules. I mean, both sides are doing their own twist. I think Milagros is just a lot more believable plot twist to. Joe Button is saying that they got all the type. The Joe Button. Meg hit pieces on me going around.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I saw some nasty though.

[Joe Budden]

I saw it too. But I don't care. They know. Yeah. Y' all know where I stand with this lady. Like, I don't think I need to come keep saying nothing.

[Freeze]

And it's. That's perfectly fine.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Hey, I'm on this side of that. People act like you're not allowed to do that. So whatever.

[Joe Budden]

That's a quick trial. It's quick. They got to it. You got to appreciate a quick trial.

[Queens Flip]

You have to.

[Freeze]

Yeah, well, we. Week and a half. Yeah, something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Nice and fast.

[Queens Flip]

See, if we.

[Joe Budden]

If it was a two week. I'm done talking about it. I'm done. Anyway, move on. What else we got?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This Russell Wilson Thanksgiving story is interesting to me. I didn't know a lot about the dude that was talking about him. That's not really my world. But did y'. All. Y' all hear this story?

[Joe Budden]

No, not at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So a former NFL player, which is.

[Joe Budden]

Where for me is like, what the fuck are we doing here?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Trayvon Boykin talked about when he was a teammate of Russell Wilson and he went to his house, and he said, I went to Russell Wilson's house for Thanksgiving. The weirdest feeling, like he catered. I come from a traditional country. As black family doing that, if I got as much money as Russell Wilson, my whole family would talk about me so bad. If I ain't fly everybody out there for things and I'm sponsored by an airline. Maybe he's just not close to his family. Maybe he's not. But his mama wasn't there, sisters wasn't there. You know what I'm saying? Even though, like, still weird to me, he said, I'm still. I'm just still. Even if you don't fool with your family, like, it's still weird to me. On Thanksgiving, my family gonna do the food. This is what we gonna do. If you the one with the money, we coming to your house. So he basically spent a lot of time talking about how weird the Thanksgiving setup was at Russell Wilson's house.

[Joe Budden]

Do we know who he sat with to say this? Do we know what in interview this was?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me. It wasn't clear to me, but I didn't. I didn't like it.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't see that either, because his name just went flying around.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but it was a podcast, though.

[Joe Budden]

That's the problem.

[Queens Flip]

Podcast.

[Joe Budden]

Podcast. That's the problem.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

House of Playmakers.

[Joe Budden]

See? All right, anyway. What do you think about this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think two things. I think it's corny and whack to take someone's invitation to Thanksgiving, go over there, and then talk about what you saw when you're there. Unless some wild. I mean, some real wild happen just because I'm not talking. I just think it's a bad guess. I think not being raised. Well, to me or not me, I'll say that I don't. It's not a sign of good manners.

[Freeze]

You talking. Talking about the food was catered. I'm used to cooking. I mean, the could have been looking you out. Why you ain't go with your family and get some home cooking there?

[Queens Flip]

Right?

[Freeze]

You know what I'm saying? If that's what you want, go there. My. You ain't have to come over here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Or.

[Freeze]

Or he up and got catered food. No, no, no, I'm with that. I'm talking about the nigga that's hating on him. I know. I'm talking about Russell Wilson had catered food.

[Joe Budden]

My nigga.

[Freeze]

Like, who are you to shit on that?

[Ish]

It's in the middle of football season. Yeah, I'm getting catered food in the.

[Freeze]

Middle of football season. My wife is up and we got kids and she might not have had the opportunity to cook a house full of food.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And there's a million reasons why my family might not have flown to wherever city we have happened to be in.

[Freeze]

Well, somebody allegedly, you know, you can't tell on the Internet these days. But it was saying that his sister played college sports and had a game and the family was there at the game. So that's why she wasn't there at the house.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But again, so what?

[Freeze]

I don't give a fuck if they was just at home watching the parade.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The thing about the story to me was less about the Thanksgiving story of it. Cause you know, whatever. People talk shit. It's something about Russell Wilson that gets.

[Ish]

Gets people mad every time, every, every time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's the thing I'm trying to get at is. And you know, the popular theory is. Cause he's clean cut and he takes care of his family and he's God fearing. He's all these great things and everybody who ain't shit hates him because he's a reflection on them. That could be the answer, but that could be too simple too. That's what I want to get a sense from y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why do y' all think so many people hate on Russell?

[Freeze]

I just think it's pretty much that he don't fit with the norm of that dude is he don't fit. That was a prototype of what? Just that type of dude. The clean cut, the God fearing, the take care of my family, everything like. And again, a lot of people love future. They love to compare the two all that. He's the exact opposite of what think is cool.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

A lot of the guys that be super like religious square, for lack of a better term, get flat like in the. In the football world, unfairly, probably.

[Freeze]

And then like ho said, once you tag lame, the game is follow the leader. So he's been tag lame. So now it's just cool to call that. Call Russell Wilson that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you smiling at?

[Freeze]

Is Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Smiling at Joe Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

A.

[Joe Budden]

You miss our trains? No, man, you know what? I got a song it. Look at the old green eyes. No.

[Queens Flip]

What?

[Joe Budden]

El, I was about to say my question for the room. So y' all don't think that Russell Wilson has been just a dick at any point?

[Ish]

Oh, he might be. That's entirely possible.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz, all this product, y'.

[Queens Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, a lot of he's so cool. And, hey, he represents everything that people ain't. Okay. All of that's cool.

[Ish]

Yeah, but he could also.

[Joe Budden]

Also think. I don't know, because. Because my first time hearing about people hating him came from the legion of. Legion of boom. Where they cited very valid reasons why they hated them. So if. If it's coming from, like, football players.

[Freeze]

But they know him.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about.

[Freeze]

It's niggas that ain't never seen met Russell Wilson.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing.

[Freeze]

Don't know anything about him, who got a lot to say about him.

[Joe Budden]

So we talking about, like, the Internet people or strangers or people that don't matter. Talking about Russell Wilson and why do we think that is? Okay, then y' all are right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or even maybe football players who didn't play with him. I mean, some people just don't like him. You know what I mean? He seems to inspire a certain kind of hate that I don't quite get.

[Joe Budden]

If I was a Denver fan, I would hate him. Like, I could keep. Keep thinking of instances where those people can hate him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think there's a legit reason.

[Joe Budden]

If you're a Bronco fan, you should hate Russell Wilson.

[Ish]

Worked out for him.

[Freeze]

Oh, the Broncos.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah, Losing works out. Yeah, losing works out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trust the process.

[Freeze]

You hear that, Steelers? It's okay. My bad.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of good reasons to not like him, just like there's plenty of good reasons not to like any of us. You know what I mean? I've heard teammates say things like he had, you know, so he kept himself distant from team, separate from team, made his own home. I heard all the things that made people not fuck with him. But like you said, a lot of the hate I see ain't about that.

[Freeze]

Yeah, it's not that, bro. It's not that.

[Joe Budden]

But why did this topic hit so close to home?

[Queens Flip]

I'm saying, what the fuck? Yeah, what the hell?

[Joe Budden]

I understand that topic seem like, nah, right? It's weird. Until you figure out why Mark could.

[Queens Flip]

Be buying this, I'm like, where am I going with this, man?

[Joe Budden]

If you really think about why he could be bringing this Up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I just like this one.

[Joe Budden]

Really hit his heart.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like to know your opinions about these things.

[Queens Flip]

What play was you like? What was it like?

[Freeze]

Tell us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's nothing to share. I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

No, you know, look at Mark. Like the square, corny guy who never got no. He corny.

[Queens Flip]

He's square, but he not corny. He's a squid, but he's not corny. He's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could be all those and he could change.

[Queens Flip]

He could turn the square off. He could.

[Joe Budden]

He could become a. Yeah, I don't think Marcus nut. He got your food.

[Freeze]

No, no, He.

[Queens Flip]

He.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Freeze]

He got a lot of money.

[Joe Budden]

He got everybody, fool.

[Queens Flip]

He do. It's a trick.

[Freeze]

He had me fooled. I see. I'm like, oh, this a. Yeah, but dark.

[Joe Budden]

Dark ain't never got no. It was always Mark. Dark ain't never leave with the darkness, Dog.

[Queens Flip]

He figured out he's a talent.

[Freeze]

The. Are you talking about Mark?

[Joe Budden]

Can you relate to Russell Wilson in this? Have people looked at you and just automatically assume that you were corny and didn't deserve to get and yada yada.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y. I don't know about the second part.

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because by the time I was moving and shaking somebody. Yeah. People. You know, by the time people knew who I was, I was already a.

[Joe Budden]

Different part of my life body already by then. He laid enough down. Hey, audience. What he's saying is let me be. They know about me out there in the street by then. I la. I knocked in the bowling pins down. To be invited to the league wasn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I would say.

[Queens Flip]

Not no more, huh?

[Joe Budden]

A few bowling leagues.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What. What I will say is people, Steve.

[Freeze]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes people.

[Joe Budden]

Talking about, I got a speaking engagement in Miami. I know. Yeah, we know. My brother. A lot of Eskimo brothers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't share space like that. But what I was saying is I. I think that if you stand for something in public, people who don't stand for something are always looking for excuses to say aha.

[Freeze]

Aha, aha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or to undermine it.

[Ish]

I'm not gonna quite put Russell Wilson on the fucking freedom fighter list.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. For him, it's his faith. It's like the Tebow shit. You know what I mean? It's like there are people. And I'm just saying that if you stand up and say, I'm a good guy, I stand up for, like, marriage, whatever. The thing is, I'm talking about Russell Wilson, not me. I'm saying, like, he Comes off as like the clean cut. I. I'm a good guy thing. People hate that shit. Sometimes people hate it cause they think it's fake. Sometimes people hate it because that's not who they are.

[Ish]

Some people can also be a little bit obnoxious with their promotion of certain virtues, for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what I'm saying. There's legitimate reasons to not like that shit. That's why I'm not. But I think it's complicated. And that's why I asked y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause I'm like, there's people in the world people just hate. You know what I mean? And they haven't necessarily done anything to earn it.

[Joe Budden]

Also, to ISIS point, the very last boyfriend is gonna kill get is going to get more praise than the rest of the guys got. Like you were the last. Like, we watched Sierra for years and then we watched Russell come and be the last guy and in marriage and the kids change the name. We at the game, we see like he's going to get. Come on. We, we. Yeah. He deserves whatever praise comes with him. Should. Giants fans should be mad at Russell.

[Freeze]

That's.

[Ish]

They got to read that hit on Jackson dart last night, boy.

[Freeze]

Why should they be mad at him?

[Joe Budden]

Going to kill that boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

He got to learn the place.

[Freeze]

He got to learn. Yo, he has to learn. At some point they going to learn him. That hit was. They going to learn them.

[Ish]

That was some old school football.

[Freeze]

He did that on purpose, bro. Yeah, yeah, football.

[Joe Budden]

Football play, though.

[Freeze]

See, Michael Irvin said that's real football.

[Joe Budden]

That's a football play. That's the football we grew up.

[Freeze]

I mean, yo, if you choose not to slide. All right.

[Ish]

Yeah, you're a runner. Yeah.

[Freeze]

He hit that about five yards out of bounds.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot what that. The, the. What is it? Hard knock. I was watching the hard Knocks where somebody was playing Kansas City and the opposing team's coach was like, yo, Pat Mahomes do all that Skirting by the sideline, running, trying to be cute. Act like you're going out. Kill him.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And Jackson dart was inbound.

[Freeze]

All it took is one. One good time.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'm going out. Don't. No. And people already hate that quarterback gets preferential treatment. We, we. We hitting you. When we get hit, you.

[Freeze]

You don't really get that chance to. To really lay a hit on the quarterback. So in that moment, we waiting for this dark season. Wham. They tore his ass up. I think it's corny, but.

[Joe Budden]

You think what's corny?

[Queens Flip]

Which part Is corny.

[Freeze]

That yo you.

[Joe Budden]

You see him now I got a hit. He put the pressure on himself.

[Freeze]

No, I'm just. Yo, you see the quarterback running out of bounds and you purposefully like. I just think we not there no more in sports when be purposely trying to hurt. That's like old school mentality. I don't think be doing that.

[Queens Flip]

You don't think it's corny that he runs out of bounds, but he was.

[Freeze]

Part of the game.

[Ish]

I don't know if they was intentionally trying to hurt him.

[Joe Budden]

He was just trying to breathe no.

[Freeze]

More before you take you crazy as hell.

[Ish]

He was trying to hurt that, but not like injured. I don't know. He was trying to injure. Maybe trying to hurt him. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yo, stop disrespecting us. If I'm defenseless, you slide when you see me.

[Ish]

He's also.

[Freeze]

You ain't even respecting me enough to slide.

[Joe Budden]

Ice rules in effect.

[Ish]

He's also athletic when you see me slide. Yeah, you're athletic.

[Joe Budden]

You're not gonna be out here running. Violence.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know nobody press free.

[Queens Flip]

What's up, fam?

[Freeze]

Nobody.

[Queens Flip]

I know the Muslim brothers ain't gonna let that happen to the. I met at.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

At.

[Queens Flip]

At VSU or whatever.

[Joe Budden]

The I was at issue to Ice Bank.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice you.

[Joe Budden]

Me neither. I feel like I need to. But we grown so the window closed.

[Freeze]

There's a problem. I'm not fighting.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody should fight right now.

[Freeze]

I'm going crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You too old. She don't feel like we should do something.

[Queens Flip]

If you see one of us getting.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Jumped, you where was? Yeah, how you. How you jumping?

[Joe Budden]

Y'?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All? Your heyday, it just never happened.

[Queens Flip]

How are you jumping?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I mean, was y' all fighting at the same time?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, so y'. All. Y' all said y' all a see ice fights. If y' all was off trying to.

[Joe Budden]

Make it a thing. Me and were together enough to. Whereas where was about to go down.

[Freeze]

It was about to go down situation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

We were never around ice. Not that I can remember maybe one time where it was a thick, intense situation. So it's different.

[Queens Flip]

And you saw Ish about to get busy.

[Joe Budden]

Me and Ish have been in the depths of hell.

[Queens Flip]

Did ish look like he was about to get busy? That's the question.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Ish was well prepared for the moment.

[Freeze]

I know Ish was going to get him up out of there, but freeze.

[Queens Flip]

If we get one of us get jumped.

[Freeze]

I'm with y'. All.

[Queens Flip]

Wait, wait, you getting jump with us or you stopping it?

[Freeze]

You hold yo you ever seen.

[Queens Flip]

Are you going to hold us back?

[Freeze]

Yo, you never seen.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, you never seen bad boys good joke.

[Freeze]

Y' all been very disrespect.

[Joe Budden]

Respectful talking his apple, yo.

[Freeze]

911.

[Queens Flip]

You got check here, check here.

[Freeze]

All right.

[Jussie Smollett]

911.

[Freeze]

I'mma help the now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I hate when a lot of do the.

[Joe Budden]

That watch is the. The kid. The kid to his night ride up.

[Queens Flip]

A lot of hold their mans like people got a lot of people hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Their people.

[Joe Budden]

Now you got to go to GameStop and slide somebody you got. We got to do it now that holy.

[Queens Flip]

They give you a broken.

[Joe Budden]

This is so immature, too. You shouldn't need to. I never seen parks lay something there. You should need to see that from your friends. That's stupid and toxic and dumb, but it sure is funny. It's really immature, but it is funny. Funny.

[Queens Flip]

We said.

[Freeze]

We already said we not maturing this year. At least never.

[Queens Flip]

Well, we almost.

[Freeze]

We not maturing.

[Queens Flip]

Mature up, man.

[Joe Budden]

No, if I make a certain amount of money this year, I'm mature.

[Queens Flip]

How this year. What does that look like?

[Joe Budden]

This year, if I make a certain amount, I'm.

[Freeze]

What if you made the money being immature? 30 days left, dogs. It's December.

[Ish]

You gotta keep straight rolling.

[Freeze]

What you got.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Freeze]

It's December.

[Joe Budden]

No, I mean 26. No, there's no hope for me this year. I'm like, I'm as immature as you could want to be at December.

[Freeze]

Yeah, man, we ain't mature.

[Joe Budden]

Funny. This is how I know I'm immature when 12. One hit and it happened to be a Monday. I was trying to get even more immature. I was like, what? The first is a Monday? Oh, I can turn up on these things.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What can I do?

[Joe Budden]

I was sitting home thinking of ways to be immature.

[Freeze]

You crazy.

[Joe Budden]

The all the assets money is up. All this hit. Are you shot?

[Queens Flip]

Y' all shopping out there?

[Joe Budden]

All right, bet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, watch this.

[Freeze]

Oh, Hit on the first.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Freeze]

Y' all hit on the first.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm saying Monday. I just love Monday. The first was a Monday.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, Some of the hit on the first.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Oh, I. I mean, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Fly me to the moon. Let me my patriot.

[Joe Budden]

We got a figure fight. Pat Patreon hit on the first.

[Queens Flip]

His.

[Joe Budden]

We don't talk contracts and business.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

We don't do that. Hey, we don't do that.

[Queens Flip]

Cyber Monday.

[Joe Budden]

No previews the crackers, right?

[Freeze]

That's not what I was talking about.

[Joe Budden]

And we should not talk and they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Give you options.

[Freeze]

And it's a different hit. Be like this.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, My like this. My sound like the got you toss.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, when are y' all gonna start the new boys Patreon. That's my last partner about.

[Queens Flip]

Don't try to divert. They not. They not start talking.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Queens Flip]

So here that starting next.

[Joe Budden]

Nothing.

[Queens Flip]

Don't try to distract us with your shenanigans. No.

[Joe Budden]

All right, which one? All right, which one of you? Armani is booking Sasha next?

[Queens Flip]

Oh, me. I'm book. Yeah, I'll book again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You booking Sasha. But you. You book Sasha?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I did something with her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You booked Sasha?

[Queens Flip]

I did a content with Sasha. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dope.

[Queens Flip]

Think Sasha's dope entertaining me too.

[Joe Budden]

Salute to her, sir.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Sash, man.

[Freeze]

Shout out to Sash.

[Queens Flip]

I'mma you up. I'mma you up. Watch your mouth. Stop watching what they do. Stop watching.

[Joe Budden]

You see, I like Tuesdays better than Friday. I do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me, too.

[Queens Flip]

Friday was lit. I missed Friday. I. I was planning on coming into, but I'm.

[Joe Budden]

You see Mark putting the sauce on. That was the most classic episode I've ever been a part of. You seen him?

[Queens Flip]

You know, you got. You got to do that.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody asked me, but wow, what a classic Friday episode.

[Queens Flip]

You know what they trying to do, though, right?

[Freeze]

For you? I know what I see.

[Queens Flip]

It don't work, though.

[Freeze]

That ain't going to work on you.

[Queens Flip]

No, not me. It had nothing to do with me.

[Joe Budden]

It worked. You had old Negro league story. Mute up.

[Ish]

My daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, listen, y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All, I've been reading and experiencing, and I have a story about what I've.

[Queens Flip]

Been reading and experiencing with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Am I right?

[Freeze]

They playing with you, my daughter.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Freeze]

Don't let.

[Queens Flip]

Don't Let them disrespect Dr. Hill.

[Joe Budden]

Mother. Children.

[Queens Flip]

My daughter. I swear to God.

[Joe Budden]

That happen.

[Freeze]

That says Satchel Paige.

[Joe Budden]

Josh Gibson.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I knew that was lying when he said went to school for parent teaching.

[Queens Flip]

Junior, crack it. Oh, hey, she in college.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She in college.

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, we believe you, bro.

[Joe Budden]

We believe. No, no, no, we know.

[Queens Flip]

Flip my child. Now you gonna play my child. Hey, Monk, y' all talking about.

[Joe Budden]

You hear how talkative and how much laughter is going on right now?

[Queens Flip]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

You hear? It wasn't like that in the first block. Oh, that is. These left me to drive on that P. Oh, my God.

[Queens Flip]

Boy, they left.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't see it. They left me.

[Freeze]

Look, he forgot the part that he the only person that saw it.

[Joe Budden]

We didn't see it yet? No, it dropped at 3am No, I also forgot the part where I said, hey, man, y' all sure y' all want to talk about this? If nobody seen it but me, they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Said, yeah, man, that was good.

[Queens Flip]

We did a good talk.

[Joe Budden]

We had a good talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great talk.

[Joe Budden]

Good talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait till Friday day. It's going to be even better.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz we see that.

[Ish]

Cuz.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cuz, cuz, we will have seen it by.

[Freeze]

Yeah, we all going to have seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, good. I can't wait to see you guys. This part. Hey, yo.

[Queens Flip]

This evil Y.

[Freeze]

He be saying, yeah, yeah, cuz, you.

[Joe Budden]

Know on Friday, this going to be rocking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I just mean, cuz, we would have all seen it by then.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, nobody. Hey, hey, I would say do that. There's no shame. You see us right here? You see this shout? You down with us. But yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, who's us? You talking about part time and part time.

[Queens Flip]

Us.

[Freeze]

Us.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, all that. We mesh well.

[Freeze]

We do.

[Queens Flip]

We mesh well. Here's the problem, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like the Negro Leagues.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, it's not like the N. Here's the problem. Like, my nigga, you just gotta respect the game, gang.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Queens Flip]

I'll be here Friday. I'mma come here Friday just for you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can have my spot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, I ain't gonna have your spot. I'm gonna come and sit right over there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, I go to over there.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I'll show you what I. I'mma do.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't let.

[Queens Flip]

Look at them all. You want to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, look at.

[Queens Flip]

Look at your man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not looking at none of y'. All.

[Queens Flip]

And I'm trying to be. Hold on, let me finish this. And I'm trying to be respectful, and I need you to promote that and help me to do that. When you do that and put a battery in my back, I don't want to prove nothing, cuz, you just trying to participate in my demise.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I want you to uplift me. I want you to shine as always.

[Queens Flip]

Okay? No, I don't need you to do that. I don't need you to do that. I'm the son. I'm a Leo. I'm a.

[Joe Budden]

I think this is the totally wrong room to broach this, but we work together in the foxhole. Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arivo a Revo. That's it.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's the topic. That's what I have to say about the topic.

[Freeze]

Have you ever been seeing and.

[Joe Budden]

Because I know I'm not, I remember.

[Ish]

The last cycle they were super chummy. Is it worse this time?

[Freeze]

It's, it's, it's interesting, okay? It's interesting. Like every, every video I've seen of them working there, you know, doing a press run. Just interesting.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Queens Flip]

They look crazy doped out. They look up. Like why?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Queens Flip]

Listen, we plan on getting deals with them. We plan on interviewing one of them. Stop tippy toeing. They look nuts.

[Joe Budden]

I was looking for what they call their relationship. Oh, here we go. A non double check that.

[Freeze]

Demi double check that. I don't think that was real. I saw what you're talking about.

[Ish]

We don't know if it's true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it explains the behavior. A non demi curious, sim semi binary relationship.

[Ish]

I got a headache.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If I got to come up with all them words to describe the relationship. Well, I don't want to sound like I'm on nobody, but. No, these two on the Wicked promo run have been wicked. They have. They've looked like just a weirdo couple and that's framing it. It kindly. Cynthia has been extremely overprotective of Ariana. Okay?

[Freeze]

Extremely.

[Joe Budden]

Like past where I wouldn't even word. Overprotective is not even a word. Where she would just totally disengage from whatever interview they were in. Not, not give eye contact to an interviewer to hold her hand to kiss on her. They answer certain questions for each other. They hold hands out of it. Like they, they just. All of the stuff that you could possibly be doing that looks a little strange.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

Do you think Hollywood did that to them? Because remember he ledger had to go into a part recipes and you know that was something that they said like he had to play the role or turn it to a certain person when he was playing the joker. Do you think that they just overdid it? They had to go into a certain character method acting to play these, you know, a certain role to play these characters.

[Ish]

Maybe that's part of it. Yes, maybe part of it.

[Queens Flip]

If the white man don't know over parks he disgusted with that.

[Joe Budden]

The funny shit is on the, on the flip side, you could say that they're acting like good, good girlfriends, which.

[Ish]

Ariana, I feel like has done before with other people she's worked with and stuff. They look like, look, you see her at the games on the TV or whatever she's got.

[Freeze]

Girls be protective of their girlfriends and ah, man, dude was talking to shorty in the interview and she's like reached over and Pulled her arm back. And it's, it's. That ain't just good, good girlfriend stuff. Like we're not gonna dance around that part. Some of this look weird, but we don't know what it is. I don't want to label nobody and I don't want them to put the masculine part on the dark skinned black woman. Like she's the only detective one. Which is there. What they're making. Making it seem like.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what's happening.

[Freeze]

Well, that's what's happening.

[Joe Budden]

Cool. They're not making it seem like.

[Freeze]

No, no. But. But if it was a white woman being protective of another white woman, it wouldn't be getting blown out of proportion like this, I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

And Cynthia, if they were doing it in the same fashion, then maybe it would. Cynthia has looked like she was about to square up with men. Yeah. I'm telling you, that's not a color girl does that. Protecting her girl. As. As an onlooker, I'm gonna say. All right, that's a little odd.

[Freeze]

And I, I. From what I know, Cynthia has been in a long term relationship with Lena. Waithe. So I don't even know if that's.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so you got more tea than me?

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I think she's.

[Freeze]

That's a girl or used to be.

[Ish]

Out on some level of.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so. Come on, man. Call a spade a spade.

[Freeze]

I don't play cards.

[Joe Budden]

You do.

[Freeze]

Forgot how it's cool, though.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't got right up onto that one. Oh, we back to one hour.

[Freeze]

Ish.

[Joe Budden]

We back to one hour.

[Freeze]

Bring that topic back up. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Y' all don't care. I don't care.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, I mean, maybe they're.

[Ish]

Maybe they're dating or something. If they are, then.

[Queens Flip]

So they look crazy. It is what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It look nuts. And that's is what it is. Look at. More quiet. Yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

No, when it comes to women, such a. I support that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I support freedom.

[Queens Flip]

Their body, their minds. I support that so much.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at him quiet. I just don't know the story that well.

[Queens Flip]

Shut the up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And what I decided to do.

[Queens Flip]

The.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Same thing that I would have said.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you're more research. Don't try it.

[Queens Flip]

You know, tell us how you saw it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Honest to God, all I saw from the story was it looked like she was being framed. Very masculine. But I also saw her behavior, which seemed like she was performing a certain kind of masculinity to me. It's just like two people were dating on the low. Except it ain't that much on the low. That's how I saw it.

[Queens Flip]

So you feel like the media is overblowing it. It's overblown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what it is? I just don't care.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I'm saying that to say I didn't read that much into it. Got it. I just assumed I was like, oh, they dating. They fucking. You know what I mean? And kept it moving. That's kind of how I saw. Saw it. And it didn't think too much of it.

[Joe Budden]

Tick Tockers made me care.

[Ish]

You do a lot of tick tocking these days?

[Joe Budden]

Always the Tick Tockers, huh?

[Ish]

You do a lot of tick tock?

[Joe Budden]

When people send me clips, they be tick tock clips. Same and by people, me, your girl trust. Okay, okay, cool.

[Freeze]

It's like, all right, let me just download this it. Cuz I can't see these shits anymore.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes I wonder when she thinks I work like I think. I think she thinks I work Tuesdays and Fridays is.

[Freeze]

You do.

[Joe Budden]

Got it Way more than that. Ain't trapping. Tricking me up. I'm cool. I love you, baby.

[Freeze]

What's up with your man Jesse Smollett?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I was going to ask y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I see him on the board.

[Joe Budden]

Back at it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Seen his interviews, what he did.

[Joe Budden]

Back at it.

[Freeze]

What he do?

[Joe Budden]

He went on. Why people let me not say that. He went on Cam Newton show.

[Ish]

Oh, this sounds great. It sounds like.

[Joe Budden]

Look at the wrong way. Easy. Where's my. Yeah, Mark. You can tell I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, Y. That's all y' all now.

[Freeze]

It's your man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Joe Budden]

That's all y'?

[Queens Flip]

All?

[Ish]

He's friends with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's up with you?

[Joe Budden]

This ain't Puff. It's Jesse.

[Ish]

You can take him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I'm not scared.

[Joe Budden]

If I took on Puff, you could do the justice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You didn't take on Puff. You sent in and hit under the table. What are you talking about?

[Queens Flip]

I mean, on this box when he not here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, no. I mean, I don't really. I know he mentioned the video, the music video where he was like. I don't know what the angle was. I'm assuming the, you know, good faith in that. He also mentioned the Dave Chappelle comedy routine. He's basically talking about what I saw.

[Freeze]

The million dollar question that anybody would want to ask. Are you still sticking with the story?

[Jussie Smollett]

There is no story. Are they still sticking with the story? I've Stuck with the truth the entire time.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Jussie Smollett]

Now, there have been things that, with me telling the truth that people will.

[Ish]

There's some lies in there, but I.

[Jussie Smollett]

Remember it being where they were. Like, oh, he did a hoax.

[Joe Budden]

And I was like, I did not.

[Jussie Smollett]

And then they're like, well, he was buying cocaine.

[Queens Flip]

And I was like, why you did that voice?

[Ish]

This is cocaine voice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My bad.

[Jussie Smollett]

You know what I mean? Like, that was true. That was true. Or they're like, oh, he did this. No, the fuck I did not. Oh, well, he was buying that.

[Freeze]

And I'm like, okay, motherfucker.

[Joe Budden]

I was.

[Jussie Smollett]

But that has nothing to do with that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, true.

[Jussie Smollett]

I just want to separate the bullshit from the truth that they tried to put on it. The fact of the matter is, is that I was walking down the street and I got jumped.

[Queens Flip]

I set that shit up because I'm.

[Jussie Smollett]

A grown ass man and have no reason to do no corny bullshit like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I was gonna set up some.

[Jussie Smollett]

Bullshit to look for attention, I would look like a hero. I wouldn't look like a victim if I was gonna set up some bullshit. And I was really a dumbass to do some shit like that. I'm a director, I'm an actor, I'm a writer, I'm a creator. It would have been flawless. It would have been fierce.

[Freeze]

It would have been wonderful.

[Jussie Smollett]

It would not have been no bullshit. Like, whatever dumbass did that did it, period. Now whoever really did it, congratulations to them because they actually got away with it. You know what I mean? But at the same time, ain't fair. Do not come at me like I'm some complete idiot. I'm a very intelligent man. You know what I mean? Humble, all of those things. But come on, I'm an intelligent man. I stand in who I am. I've gone out there and I've told who I am when I did not have to. I did not have to. I've been very honest about my life and about who I am from the very beginning of my career when I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Didn'T have to do that.

[Jussie Smollett]

Because there's a lot of people that don't. They don't have to do that. So it just doesn't run with the history of me. It doesn't run with who I've ever been. And that has to stand for something. People's history should mean something. I've never been a frivolous man. I've never been an attention whore. I've never been any of those things.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Jussie Smollett]

So you cannot then pull me into this and convince me to start seeing myself through the eyes of other people again. I've said what I've said for seven years. I've never changed my story.

[Freeze]

A lot of people, everyone else has.

[Jussie Smollett]

I would have no reason. I have nothing to gain from that at all. I did not want to be seen as a victim.

[Ish]

That's facts.

[Freeze]

Yo, he answered the question. I was waiting for that part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Freeze]

I missed it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He answered at the very beginning. Remember what the question was? Because he answered directly, sticking to the story. Yeah. And he said, I don't have a story. I just have the truth. He's basically said, yeah, he said my story.

[Queens Flip]

He said, oh, y' all stick it to y' all story.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's basically, I told the truth the whole time. And he said at the end, he reiterated like, I'm still telling the truth. I'm telling my story. And he said he was.

[Queens Flip]

Fix the mic.

[Joe Budden]

Fix your mic, please.

[Queens Flip]

Fuck you doing?

[Freeze]

Yo, he said he was going to buy cocaine. It was like, oh, that, that became a part of the story now. But first he said he was going to Subway.

[Ish]

Maybe he's buying coke at the Subway.

[Freeze]

From. From the Subway?

[Ish]

From the Subway.

[Freeze]

Perhaps down in the subway slinging.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You did work at Subway, didn't you?

[Freeze]

Corporate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you were a drug dealer.

[Freeze]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

But they weren't open.

[Freeze]

They weren't open at that time of night.

[Joe Budden]

Every time you mention one of his jobs, he said corporate.

[Freeze]

No, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

You wasn't at, at Subway Corporate making sandwiches.

[Queens Flip]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And that was even fly. I was in corporate for Subway. Shut up.

[Freeze]

Why in the fly.

[Queens Flip]

What you was doing in corporate?

[Joe Budden]

Corporate everywhere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, like when like there's like banquets and stuff that come. He bring the sandwich, extra oil and.

[Freeze]

Vinegar, my guy, 10,000 year old, a.

[Queens Flip]

Cold cut combo.

[Freeze]

Mayo on both sides of the brain.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, since Cincinnati out of la, they.

[Queens Flip]

Don'T claim that at that time you know who was working there.

[Ish]

So yeah, you gotta be careful.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you.

[Freeze]

Always real estate leasing and construction at Subway Corporate got.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, cool.

[Queens Flip]

But it's cool you ain't run.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what? Wait, cuz he's what?

[Freeze]

He said I was in the stock room at the Wiz with you stealing tv.

[Joe Budden]

You worked at leasing, construction and what at Subway.

[Freeze]

So you built Subways?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Corporate. Subway. You just building Subway?

[Queens Flip]

I don't think that's corporate.

[Freeze]

No, I set the lease leases up with the landlord. I was a liaison between the subway franchisee, the landlord and it's all right, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I was the liaison.

[Freeze]

You said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How old were you?

[Freeze]

20. That was my last job ever. I have ever had recently.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, that's the last 20?

[Freeze]

27, 28.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How do you feel as an employer when someone tells.

[Queens Flip]

That was my last jbp.

[Freeze]

That was my last.

[Queens Flip]

I would have left that too.

[Joe Budden]

We saved him.

[Queens Flip]

Some way fresh.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no wonder you hate the winter.

[Queens Flip]

It's not n. That's dope.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good job. Especially at a young age.

[Queens Flip]

Actually.

[Joe Budden]

Actually my stomach growling right now. Man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't tell he's send him back to corporate. You got it.

[Queens Flip]

He try to tell you go get.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Run the corporate. Put it.

[Joe Budden]

Put a little mobile somewhere, right?

[Freeze]

And bring the cookies, man.

[Joe Budden]

Famous a. Yo, yo, Cor. I'mma start using that. Damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't.

[Joe Budden]

I can't. I can't use it.

[Freeze]

Yes, you could. I worked at the Wiz Corporate.

[Ish]

He was a liaison between the liaison.

[Freeze]

Between the niggas n in the subway.

[Joe Budden]

I actually was the liaison for the Wiz. I did work in Wiz Corporate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You did? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But Jussie, man, how'd y' all feel about the interview?

[Joe Budden]

What y' all think I'm gonna be respectful. Cause his sisters is fine. I got a newfound respect for the Smollett family. And it's not cause of just so I wish he mute up. He keep fucking it up.

[Freeze]

Yo, out here trying to do it.

[Joe Budden]

Your sisters gave the redemption. They fine. They killing shit. They beautiful. You had your run. That's what you did with it. You got the whole Chicago pd, man. Like it's over.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

When Cam Newton. How you feel when Cam Newton called you? You shouldn't even answer the phone. Like, what is Jussie Smollett going to Cam Newton?

[Freeze]

I want to hear your in depth opinion on how you feel about the interview and what he said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I don't understand on Patreon.

[Ish]

On his Patreon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't understand why Jesse's still doing the interviews. I just. I don't think it's advancing the story. I don't. I think people who believe him are going to believe him. I think the overwhelming majority of people who don't aren't going to feel any different after the interview. I just don't. I don't think it helps anything. And I think the way he's responding to questions doesn't make him look stable. Some of his rambles don't look just like regular. Like I talk Too much rambles. Cause we all talk too much at times. President, company excluded. I think it's more like it reminded me how we looked in the courtroom when, you know, I mean, he was like, I'm not suicidal. I'm not suicidal. It looked unhealthy.

[Joe Budden]

That was nuts. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And this doesn't look well. And so I don't think it helps this story. I just don't think it helps anything.

[Ish]

Think it's drugs?

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I have no idea. I don't want to speculate on. I don't want to speculate.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was that a political answer?

[Freeze]

No. No.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, no.

[Freeze]

That was a good answer.

[Joe Budden]

One political.

[Freeze]

He was running a little bit. I pulled you back over here. That was a great answer.

[Queens Flip]

He pulled them back.

[Freeze]

Yeah. He didn't want to talk about that.

[Queens Flip]

That's his man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I did want to talk. I did want to talk about it. I just didn't know what angle we were taking. I think we were talking about the other stuff.

[Queens Flip]

I'm cool with the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. When he was. Oh, I haven't spoken to him in about a year.

[Joe Budden]

Pack marker.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, Mark, I can't be cool. So which issue we be.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta pack. You can, Mark.

[Queens Flip]

You can. You can be cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To be clear, I knew Jussie before all this happened.

[Queens Flip]

True. You can be cool. So now he reached out to him right away, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but they.

[Freeze]

And you're a writer and a director.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I interviewed him a couple years back during the pandemic when all this was happening, to get his side of the story. And there were a lot of us who were advocating for him not to do prison time, you know.

[Freeze]

Okay, got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, for me, the resolution to the Jussie Smollett thing should have been him, at the very least paying for.

[Freeze]

What they paid the Law of the Man. Hours.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, all of that, you know, putting him in a cage for a year or two, I don't think was gonna help anything to me.

[Joe Budden]

Was there ever a version of the story where you were one of the attackers and he had to send you to Ace Hardware to get the rope and Chip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To avoid incriminating myself.

[Queens Flip]

I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to speak on this matter at all.

[Joe Budden]

Smart. Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Your mom. Has any of your friends hit you up? Dm? You took up the risk after one of your takes up here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say that again.

[Queens Flip]

Has any of your friends hit you up? Rode you after one of your takes up here?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, all the time.

[Queens Flip]

Like mad. I mean. Mark, what's up, man? So, yes, you Sold your soul?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, not so my soul. It's more like people. There are a few, like, people who I wouldn't call friends, but like, celebrities who are like, yo, why'd you say that? A few people who stopped doing content with me because they didn't like a take I had on something up here. Oh, yeah, about them or.

[Freeze]

Or your take about something that they were passionate about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Usually the. The latter. It's usually not about them because I don't really go in on people like that. But, like, the Saudi Arabia thing definitely didn't win me friends among comedians.

[Joe Budden]

When did you meet Jussie Smollett?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I met him with Harry Belafonte at his Mini River.

[Freeze]

He asked the question at the mansion in St. Martin. At the mansion in St. Martin, yeah.

[Ish]

So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because Harry Belafonte obviously was really big on connecting with artists, activists, and Jussie was doing activism at the time. And Angela Davis was a deep admirer of Jussie's work. And actually, yo, Mark, he dropped some three. I'm picking them all up at once. He asked me how I met him.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So Angela and I went. Went and were backstage and, like, watched him perform at the Minnie Rivers Festival. That's where I first met him in Georgia. It was a big music festival. It was Harry Belafonte's last music festival. And then after that, we connected and stayed in communication. I became. I stayed in communication with his family. And then when he got arrested, we, you know, we stayed in contact.

[Joe Budden]

So, Mark, you okay with friends? You're not friends at all, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say Jesse was my friend. Y' all keep saying that's your man's. I didn't say that's my friend. That's fine. Yeah, he never. I don't call people friends. That. I'm just cool witness, man.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I thought I had him. I'm sick of Mark with that friendship.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, if I say they're my friend, they my friend. Usually I say I'm cool with them or I know them. That's different.

[Joe Budden]

I wish I would have walked in friends giving, and Jussie Smollett would have been by that pool table.

[Freeze]

What.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There were. There were about three people who were on the.

[Queens Flip]

The.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The gray list, but because y' all was. There were about three people who were on my invite list that were kind of gray. They were on the. They were teetering between the invite and not invite. And based on y' all being there, I said no, because I know Y' all didn't really.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Like who?

[Joe Budden]

We know one. I don't know one.

[Freeze]

Your man was like, oh, good. It ain't just me. I'm like, damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. There was one of them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you off mic. And. And then. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Was it because of me or one of them?

[Queens Flip]

Both.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One was. One was probably all the above. And then there was two more.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then two more people who you probably wouldn't have been happy.

[Joe Budden]

I'd be so shocked to learn that people have issues with me. Really?

[Freeze]

Why that tracks?

[Joe Budden]

Maybe I'm just aloof. Yeah, might be.

[Queens Flip]

Shut your ass up.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously, apologize for me. Whatever happened to whoever this is?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not even necessarily saying you was wrong. It just.

[Joe Budden]

I was probably wrong.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One of them. You definitely was. The other one's not necessarily a lot of time. It's just. I don't want tension at my house.

[Joe Budden]

Well, how old was I, too, when I was wrong, too?

[Freeze]

Six months ago.

[Queens Flip]

Couple months ago.

[Joe Budden]

44 and a half. How old are you? Shut up. Y crazy. For real?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You better not have came to Mark's house that day.

[Queens Flip]

I don't know who I have been cutting morning clubs. How you doing? How you pull that off, man?

[Joe Budden]

Joe's coming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a lot easier to pull it off before you on a podcast, you can just not tell people something happened. But then if people watch the podcast and know something happened, they be like, oh, what happened?

[Freeze]

I know why I ain't get an invite.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hit them with, oh, you didn't get the delivery. Oh, you didn't. Well, I can't tell all my excuses now, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Believe me, right?

[Freeze]

Oh, like you did with the party?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I showed you. You was on the list.

[Freeze]

Oh, same thing. I remember now.

[Joe Budden]

Delivered.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. All y' all was on the list. It's the.

[Queens Flip]

It's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You've been on the list for everything I've ever had since I've known you.

[Queens Flip]

Niggas want ish around.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish got one more no show before he's off the list.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Just want you around, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For five.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all stop doing that to your niggas, boy.

[Freeze]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I shouldn't take it personally.

[Freeze]

You need an ish at the friendsgiving, though.

[Ish]

Yeah, he was supposed to be.

[Queens Flip]

Pull up. We want you around, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you the connector. And a lot of people upstairs knew you couple was asking for you and.

[Queens Flip]

Your birthday coming up. Your birthday coming up. And we doing something and I dare you not to show up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the thing I wanted to talk about.

[Queens Flip]

I got this. It's on the day of work. I dare you will beat the dog out of me. And I'm on that.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, his birthday's on a workday? Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I'll beat you up. I'll snuff you if you don't come in on work. I'll bring you a cake. I'll bring you a hug. I may even kiss you on your cheek.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, your birthday.

[Queens Flip]

I'm coming in that day.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Ish]

I'm sure going to do something great for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got something for you. Oh, I'm sure.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T know his birthday, but. Tuesday like a.

[Queens Flip]

No, it's Friday.

[Freeze]

It's Friday.

[Queens Flip]

Friday we going to bring you a cake.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Queens Flip]

Is we going to celebrate, man. We love you, bro. You going to be 50. You. You did it enough. You played 007 long enough. You hid the family from us.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, good.

[Queens Flip]

You got it. But let us celebrate you.

[Freeze]

We love you. Family from us.

[Queens Flip]

He freeze. He body that though word at this point.

[Joe Budden]

You can come out your shell. We don't want to see house. We don't want to see if you can be private. We just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We just want to love. How would you feel if you walked into a surprise party?

[Joe Budden]

You're in a shell.

[Freeze]

How would you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna ask that again. How would you feel if you. If you walked into a surprise party?

[Freeze]

It's not my back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Would you be angry at us?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Freeze]

Hell, you ain't gonna do not be angry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say less.

[Freeze]

Mike here.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait, this is a good topic. You wouldn't be angry at my surprise party? No. Real happy.

[Queens Flip]

What type of surprise?

[Joe Budden]

Happiest we've seen you in two time.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, the $40 joints suave mente. Do a circle. We love you, bro.

[Freeze]

Come on, man.

[Queens Flip]

Like we ain't going to play pranks with you and throw cake on you.

[Freeze]

No, no, that's stupid. No, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We going to do him something nice. Nice.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't think Elvis was appropriating Dominicans? Wait, what?

[Freeze]

Yo, you be thinking Elvis might have never seen it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Elvis never saw Dominican.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but do you think he was appropriating Dominicans?

[Freeze]

What song?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on, y' all to him. Give me a second.

[Queens Flip]

Give me.

[Freeze]

Oh, him, him.

[Joe Budden]

The outfits, the. Okay, the hair. All right, now you the look. Look a little. The look, the moves, huh? All that.

[Queens Flip]

Hold on, hold on. Yo, my daughter, Princess. Hey, can you tell them what you did to Your teacher, please. Okay, so yesterday, he was. He. He was teaching us something, and then he used the word Negro a lot, and I didn't really like it, but.

[Freeze]

After class, I seen him, like, he.

[Queens Flip]

Bumped into me, and then he was like, oh, do you want to talk to me? And I was like, yeah, I do. And then I told him, like, I.

[Freeze]

Told him, like, although I know he's.

[Queens Flip]

Educating us, and he might think I'm sensitive for this, but I told him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't like how he was staying Negro a lot.

[Queens Flip]

And he could have used a different word now, like, once or twice. Okay, like, you're saying the word that's on the PowerPoint. That's fine.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But he said it eight times.

[Queens Flip]

And then usually, like, whenever he's teaching something about African Americans, he used the word African Americans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, this particular lesson, he just kept saying Negro, and I told him I didn't like him.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, thank you, princess. That wasn't a lot. Watch out, princess.

[Joe Budden]

We love you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Queens Flip]

Thank you, guys. All right, Princess, say something. I love you, baby.

[Freeze]

Make sure you stay in school.

[Queens Flip]

No, she's in school. Come on. I know she's trying to be a lawyer.

[Joe Budden]

I can hear it. Her mom is killing that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Salute, body. For real? Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

What you said, though. Are you crazy? Crazy? I'm active. I'm outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Outside?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. No, I mean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, we agree.

[Joe Budden]

Mad outside, right?

[Queens Flip]

Look at this. People you about to invite over to the crib. I want to talk to you about that, cuz I got somebody in my mind who. I'm thinking he's about to try to slide over. I'mma talk to you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

No, I'm talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't. But we. But we probably on the same page.

[Joe Budden]

I got another really random question for y' all that's not on the board. I think I have to tell y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Queens Flip]

I thought you was trying to buy. You crazy. I thought you was lit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, I don't. I don't aspire to be.

[Queens Flip]

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Freeze]

Joe, what's your question?

[Queens Flip]

He love to be there, boy.

[Freeze]

Joe, what's your question?

[Queens Flip]

Me is please.

[Freeze]

Please stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Please move on.

[Freeze]

Please. Joe, get us out of here. What's the question?

[Joe Budden]

What is y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Joe Budden]

What is what? Where do y' all stand with Ellen DeGeneres?

[Queens Flip]

We love her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She be crossing some lines sometime.

[Freeze]

I used to be a really big fan. Like, I thought her personality was dope and then won all the. When all of the behind the scenes started coming out, it was almost like all, you know, if they say where there's smoke, there's fire. It was so many people.

[Ish]

Wasn't it just that she's mean as hell.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Like, different type of mean. Like, was treating her cast, like, treating.

[Joe Budden]

All her employees like one of the meanest. Like Steve Jobs level mean. Like Steve Jobs mean. Yeah, I'll write the movie. And even a little worse. Right. Because with Ellen, her. Her stick was her brand.

[Queens Flip]

Love.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Her entire brand was being kind to people, loving people, donating, giving money away, organizing, shining. Yeah.

[Ish]

Do all that. No, I gotta get my off.

[Joe Budden]

I just wanted to know. I mean, I was. Again, I. One of my favorite things to watch is the Dark side of comedy. I've seen every one of them. I watch him. I watch him whenever. Beat. Yes, yes. There was an Ellen episode. It was a Family Matters episode. There's a Robert Williams episode. There's a bunch of episodes.

[Freeze]

I saw the Robin Williams.

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, I was like, I wonder if everybody still believes Ellen to be the dick that she would have to be.

[Ish]

Like, a really, like, crushing people's lives.

[Freeze]

They said it was bad, bro. But I'm saying, was there any examples?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Instead of just hearing it was bad.

[Joe Budden]

It was on it. On it. I mean, one of the examples used on Dark side of Comedy, there was a young kid who was a singer or he had some type of fucking talent, and Ellen called him and she was gonna fly him. And they was working together for a while, and I guess she had a script that she got from a movie that wasn't out that she had to go through a lot of loopholes to get, and she gave it to the mom so the boy could read it because she was going to get my opportunity. Right. And it's the boy, but he's a little older now, so it's him telling the story.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And he said whatever was going on that weekend, he hadn't gotten around to reading the script.

[Ish]

That's mistake number one.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he said Ellen called his mom, and they were over there having a long, long, long conversation at the moment. Mom later told him some of the things that Ellen was saying, which was on some, like, you failed as a mom.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like.

[Joe Budden]

Like, how could you not have him read this? I've jumped through all of these hoops and what the are you doing? And yada, yada. Just on that type of vibe. Like. Like a dick.

[Ish]

That's. Yeah, that's not enough for me.

[Queens Flip]

That's not enough.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate hearing I'm talking to my mom like that.

[Queens Flip]

It's crazy. But I don't.

[Joe Budden]

It. Yeah, y' all just pod now somebody. I'm not pod. If somebody just called y' all mom and started wiling on your mom.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, if it happened to me, that's different. But hearing it happen somebody else. You know what it is? I. I assume that anybody who's that nice on camera is probably a bit of an asshole behind camera.

[Joe Budden]

So naturally.

[Queens Flip]

What about Oprah?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I guess that's why. So it does. It doesn't disappoint me or shock me because I'm already walking into it expecting that I gotta hear Oprah. I. I don't know enough to say. You know what I mean? I haven't heard those awful stories. And I've read all of her biographies. Like, I mean, I heard there's a lot of dirt, but none of it is like, she's a monster. You know what I mean?

[Freeze]

That don't make you a monster. That's all I'm saying. Like. All right.

[Queens Flip]

A dick.

[Joe Budden]

You a dick.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

But a monster.

[Joe Budden]

Bro.

[Freeze]

I need a little bit more.

[Queens Flip]

You go through all the loopholes you can to get somebody the opportunity and.

[Ish]

They fuck it up.

[Queens Flip]

And they fuck it up. Joe, you'll be upset too.

[Joe Budden]

You be upset. I'm not calling nobody mom and calling them a failure as a mom because their kid didn't read the script.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's terrible.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all ask for an example. That's one of the examples. There's much more. You'd have to see it yourself.

[Ish]

Gotta hear both sides.

[Joe Budden]

Parkinson is a dick.

[Ish]

Sorry. Because what if the person just interpreted it, her being called a terrible mom? And she wasn't calling her terrible mom. She was just implying that she could have done better at making sure that this was important.

[Queens Flip]

What are you guys doing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's been so many stories.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You with that. If it's a standalone. But. But this is.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I hear the rest of them. Then I might. Maybe.

[Queens Flip]

Maybe I would.

[Ish]

And also, is it because everyone assumes that she's so nice that when. If she's a little bit mean, it comes off as, oh, my. I thought she was an angel. But she's not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She's.

[Ish]

And she's not really that mean. If any other normally killed human being said the things that she said, they would take it at face value. But if it's coming from someone that you perceive as this angel, now it looks like you're a monster, but you're not really.

[Freeze]

It was stories. It was. I don't. I would have to.

[Ish]

More.

[Freeze]

Yeah. I don't recall. You know what I mean? It was.

[Joe Budden]

There were a lot of them. A lot of them from people that worked with her for over 10 years. Like, there was a lot of stories. But anyway, I just wanted to ask. I thought about it. Sorry.

[Ish]

It's all good.

[Freeze]

No problem.

[Queens Flip]

Shout out the other.

[Joe Budden]

Or not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, or not.

[Freeze]

Or not.

[Queens Flip]

You'll freeze, yo. I'm with you a little bit. I was looking at the. The special people. Olympics. Not Olympics. I mean the.

[Joe Budden]

The. The.

[Queens Flip]

The. The walkway, the. The Runway.

[Freeze]

The fashion show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it still a Runway?

[Queens Flip]

Yo, yo, yo, freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, freeze.

[Queens Flip]

The roadway, whatever it is. I bookmarked it. Nigga, I said okay. Freeze.

[Freeze]

It's not okay. Freeze.

[Queens Flip]

Ooh, I see your style.

[Freeze]

I can see why you not my style.

[Queens Flip]

I saw the nubs. No legs. Fire with the fatty.

[Ish]

Chubbed up, right?

[Queens Flip]

Huh?

[Ish]

Chubbed right up.

[Queens Flip]

Baddie with no legs. I said, hey, I wonder how this will look. Pure hands, no rest on the side. I. I thought about it. I don't give a. I was going through it, too. I thought about it.

[Ish]

Like, I think it's great to come in and report what chubbed you up over the weekend.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, Parks, it was nice. Some of them be fire. No respect.

[Joe Budden]

There's a disabled person person's fashion show. Yes, I saw clips online.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I saw the clip. Everybody keeps sending it to me. Yo, yo, this your bag?

[Joe Budden]

Well, it is.

[Queens Flip]

It is, though. See, I see the colors. That's why you got the clothes. They attract those type of colors, too. Please. What the. James. James Pierce Bronson.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Queens Flip]

Tell your stop on that Freeze you that, son.

[Freeze]

I'm chilling.

[Queens Flip]

I said, I wonder what. Freeze. At first, I was cutting your ass, but then I went and I said, and you got to go through something. I went through some. So my mom was just. Just wanted to go to another realm. But I salute you. Show me some more. Send me some more, gang. Send me all the pages.

[Freeze]

Don't salute me, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute to the disabled community, indeed. I'm glad you all can see their humanity, recognize their beauty. Not me.

[Joe Budden]

What they mil. Look at you. Milton Burrow.

[Freeze]

Milton Burley.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see here. Yo.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We gonna touch the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Queens Flip]

Get out them groups. What allegations?

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come through. Come through this segue.

[Queens Flip]

I'm a Segway king. This Segway be like, out of here. Listen. No, the Max B performance. Oh, that's what I was saying. That's why I didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on. Who's ready to tell the truth in here. Come on, come on, come on.

[Freeze]

Last. Last Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Tossing it to freeze.

[Ish]

There we go.

[Freeze]

Black Friday, Max B performed at XL and Elizabeth.

[Joe Budden]

Were you there?

[Queens Flip]

No.

[Freeze]

Yes, I was not there.

[Ish]

In spirit.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he was.

[Freeze]

I was.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he was.

[Ish]

You had someone there streaming it for you.

[Queens Flip]

No, no, tell us about it.

[Freeze]

It was. It was a. You know. But anyway, so as the video started to go. Go out from the performance, one of the songs he performed was his.

[Joe Budden]

Arab.

[Freeze]

Money remix, which is called Grand Crew. Grand Crew Money or something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it's.

[Freeze]

It contains lines in there where he's dissing Jim. Dissing Chrissy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You sent them to no DJ version?

[Freeze]

No, they didn't ask. I actually, I. I said something about that to them, like, yo, y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Freeze]

But anyway. But, yeah, so then the video comes out, and it looks like a direct contrast to everything he's been saying about moving forward, moving positive. And why would you do this song? Like, it's. A lot of questions came out.

[Jussie Smollett]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

And then his report, his retort was.

[Ish]

That Funk Flux was dj and that's.

[Joe Budden]

All he had, right?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, he said basically Flex backdoored him.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said.

[Queens Flip]

He said Flex told him he was going to only play Pin to Tail. I have one record which is Pin to Tail on the Donkey. Yeah, he said that Flex played that, and he said he was just in the moment. He didn't want to not perform the record. But he said he had no intention of disrespecting Jim. He said, we all got families, we all got wives. And he apologized for doing it. And my question to Freeze was, do you believe that story that Flex might have did that? And is Flex to blame in doing that?

[Freeze]

I took it at face value. So if that is what happened and Flex played the record, and I've said this to them, to his camp, I said, I think Max handled that wrong in that moment. I see. I watched the video. I see he never said certain words, but the backtrack is playing, so it's the same thing. Like, you went like this one time, but you still played it. Like, you could have freestyled acapellas or just not done a record.

[Ish]

So, yeah, Flex. Yeah, Flex.

[Freeze]

I mean, this is a club appearance, so you only doing two songs, right? Or three songs. You know, it's real short, so. And I was just like. And how do y' all not have. If you needed me to send you sexy love for the Barclays, how do y' all not have a thumb drive with three to five records?

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Freeze]

To go at any time. You should have that. Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Freeze]

What do you think, Joe? I think it's a. I think it was a good attempt at a cleanup.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's good to apologize.

[Freeze]

Yeah. Of course.

[Joe Budden]

I believe everything Max said. I don't think that he should be running around. I don't. I don't. I don't think that he's just running around with thumb drives. And. Yeah. If you just not saying home.

[Freeze]

I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

You said he should.

[Freeze]

I'm saying his peoples. Your manager gets.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even know if he has picked people.

[Freeze]

He has people. I'm telling you something. Yeah. Karen.

[Queens Flip]

Civil with him.

[Freeze]

Yeah. He has a group of people.

[Joe Budden]

Know that his group of people is the same at every event Max B. Does they.

[Freeze]

For the most part.

[Joe Budden]

For the most part.

[Freeze]

They were at the. Some of the people from that team were in Elizabeth at xl.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Freeze]

I used to say. And they reached out to him for.

[Joe Budden]

I see too many worlds where Max is saying could happen.

[Freeze]

No, it could happen for sure. But even in that moment, you gotta. If I. I don't think Max went in on some trying to be funny personally. You got other records that will do it way more than that. That the crowd would know. That ain't even one of your top records. Like, I was. Even when I heard it, I'm like, why the hell is he doing this song? So that stood out for me. So maybe that's all Flex had. But you gotta. As. As the dj, you still gotta know what's going on too. Like you're in charge of that. You have to know that. So if you're playing this song, you know. You know what you're doing. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. See the dj, you're saying.

[Freeze]

Yes, the dj.

[Queens Flip]

So you feel like Flex. That's what my question.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that was indeed Flex DJing.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Or was it just a Flex Throne event?

[Freeze]

No, no, they have other DJs. But when. When, when they do them type of parties and they have like a. A headliner, so to speak, Flex comes out to DJ for them.

[Joe Budden]

But do we know that that was Flex that night?

[Ish]

Yes, he said it was Flex. And I can totally see Flex to shoot him some bail. Like he could have just went into his Max B in the serato and that's what he had. So he was like. Like it. Okay. I remember this. And didn't remember all the connotations that were in the verses. That's entirely possible, bro. As a dj, your mind isn't necessarily thinking of all the dis lines in a record. You're just trying to.

[Freeze]

No, I'm not. I'm not rolling with that. I'm not rolling with that.

[Joe Budden]

That's irresponsible.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

It's too much at stake.

[Freeze]

It's too.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. It's too much. It's somebody's job to know that Max is on some like, yo, the gig is the gig. I just came home. That's the song that the DJ put on. I mean, I didn't rap it, but I'm not gonna cancel the gig. I'm gonna give my people the show that they look for. He said that. I take him at his word. I believe what he tweeted out after that Ja Rule fight at the Barclays I do not believe is on any. But even bigger than that, I was just proud of Harlem's response. Like the people that I heard talking about it. When I first saw it, I had the. Yeah, it was a big side. Big side. But before Max addressed any of it, I heard people from Harlem talking about just how much both sides mean to Harlem, what could happen if this goes a different way, and how everybody needs to be preventative in making sure the people on both sides, they love both people to make sure that none of that is happening in 2020, 20, 25. That was 17 years ago. We not on it like that. We don't want to see it. We don't want bloodshed. We don't want none of that. I love that response from New York. Yeah. I absolutely love. I was more happy for New York responding that way than I was for thinking about flex and yada, yada, yada, yada. I can understand flex position. I understand what Max B is saying. But New York and the resounding response.

[Freeze]

Made sure to put that to bed early.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

And that's dope.

[Queens Flip]

Even.

[Freeze]

That's how it should be.

[Joe Budden]

Even on the max cleanup. Even on the max cleanup, it was somebody saying, yo, nah, yeah, we ain't on that.

[Freeze]

We're not doing that.

[Joe Budden]

Please tell me you not doing that, because, you know, so I appreciate it.

[Freeze]

And that speaks to what we were talking about earlier. People having real, Real people around them that could speak out and say something. You know what I'm saying? In a moment like that. Yeah. Your phone should.

[Queens Flip]

Should.

[Freeze]

There should be somebody that got your phone number that should be able to call you up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

And be like, yo, dog, what the are you doing? Even if. To hear your explanation. And it'd be okay. That. But just the way that looked. Looked crazy. At first.

[Joe Budden]

And we needed an explanation. Same day. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Right away. Don't let it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that happened like that. They didn't waste no time.

[Freeze]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God. Thank God. That's all I said.

[Freeze]

And do I think Flex was trying to, like, incite some shit? No, like I said, it's just. It was just bad preparation.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

But as the dj, if this. What you're doing, you got to do better than that in that moment.

[Joe Budden]

True.

[Freeze]

Because that could have went all the way. Left completely unnecessarily.

[Ish]

And Max got enough. Enough songs so he could.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Ish]

He should have.

[Freeze]

He got way bigger.

[Joe Budden]

If that's the only option, then don't play no song. Don't play. Cut the music off. If all you got is some. That's gonna start a war.

[Freeze]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Then cut the music off. Have Max B come to the stage, say some words. Acapella, thanking his fans, and that'd be the end of that.

[Freeze]

Max got records that day. No, he could have start singing and. And let the crowd would have participated on songs. Like, if it's a Max B crowd, he has. I know. I've been seeing ever since Max came home, a lot of people saying this whole. Oh, who is Max B? We didn't listen to him out here. That's fine. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. Knows Max B's music through and through. And when he's performing anywhere in that strip right there, when they show up, they know the songs. So he could. You ain't even have to play that song. Or as soon as you realize something, even if you don't, you could have cut it. You could have, like, just don't.

[Joe Budden]

Narrow minded. You should be a fan of. I'm just. I enjoy watching somebody. Well, I don't enjoy watching somebody sit up for 17 years, but I enjoy watching people pick up where they left off.

[Freeze]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I think people should be allowed that opportunity. I do.

[Freeze]

I'm a fan. I did Providence this weekend and I was like, see that? That looked. That's what I'm used to seeing. Like, I like that.

[Joe Budden]

And it was lit. And it was lit. And they knew the words.

[Freeze]

Him and French used to run that whole.

[Queens Flip]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

That was their strip. Yeah. And him and French got music coming out. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yep. January 26th.

[Queens Flip]

January 6th.

[Freeze]

January. I forget the date. I know the. The show is the 16th and 17th, so it might be the week before. I have to double check.

[Queens Flip]

Shout out to them.

[Freeze]

His album was supposed. He was supposed to be dropping PD7. They were saying was Friday, which I'm kind of glad that didn't drop just yet. Like, let it. Let it build up.

[Queens Flip]

For sure.

[Freeze]

Let it build up. Oh, speaking of music, did you hear Stove Gods?

[Ish]

I still have it because we're going to do a live reaction on the air on Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Before y' all broach that, let me just throw on because we talking about the show at the Barclays. I want to say that money long has removed herself from the boy is mine tour with Brandy and Monica. Citing health concerns, her doctor said, you cannot continue. If you do, it'll be bad for your health. Money Long, we love you. We praying for you.

[Freeze]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

They've since added Maya to the spot dates. I think that makes a lot of sense. So shout out to y' all if you have a chance to check out the boys mind tour. When it comes to a city near you, I suggest you do so. Well. Have y' all been horny again? Yeah. Got it. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's that simple.

[Freeze]

He wanted me to look n. I wasn't on that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, what was you on?

[Freeze]

You wasn't on Maya.

[Queens Flip]

I think him too good for Maya. Yo, you that boy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you, though.

[Freeze]

Never fails, boy.

[Joe Budden]

Back when in the run of Maya. I wasn't looking at Maya like that. As an adult.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Honestly, I look at my as an adult. Yeah, that's about to say. And Maya still looked like Maya.

[Freeze]

Maya. Ben was that.

[Joe Budden]

And Maya says she ain't in like 12 years or something.

[Ish]

Marina.

[Joe Budden]

I just believe. Yes, we believe women. Nice. Especially when it comes to their mouth.

[Freeze]

Of course. Of course. I believe women. Anyway.

[Ish]

Anyway, yeah, I, I, I saved my reaction because I want to, I want.

[Joe Budden]

To do it on live.

[Freeze]

On it. Okay, so you still didn't.

[Ish]

As a stove God fan. I've had stove God on my record before. A Christmas record, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's out.

[Ish]

Still, I would like to hear what this sounds like. Live reaction. I see it's got some people in a tussy.

[Freeze]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

I'm here already.

[Queens Flip]

Powder on the Lewis been stepping on co he's sucking hang theyself if you.

[Joe Budden]

Give enough rope Got Chanel life jackets.

[Queens Flip]

By the stove and kiss it don't float.

[Ish]

What? What's the problem? This is hard.

[Freeze]

I love this record.

[Queens Flip]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

You know the problem. Come on.

[Freeze]

I completely know what the problem is.

[Joe Budden]

Make sure some goat make sure some.

[Queens Flip]

Goat smelling work cooking in the air tonight. I smell blood money.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

This is fire.

[Joe Budden]

This is heat.

[Freeze]

I'm like, if he can lock up on his defense. Imma put all of my money on.

[Joe Budden]

Them Told a pack to go yeah.

[Freeze]

Ought to fly you to a C.

[Queens Flip]

Lay out in the sun I really had a run probably the biggest since pun.

[Ish]

This is fire yo. Whoever doesn't like us, your ears.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the issue?

[Freeze]

You know? Come on now we not going to.

[Ish]

Play like this is like some old school mentality where everything got to sound like a pre beat. No dog. Yeah but this is fire.

[Freeze]

People get used to you in a certain they got stove in a box.

[Ish]

But stove was doing other I understand even on the gun records there was some some trappy ish not trapped. It's the wrong word but not super slow boom bap like he's always been on different as well as doing the boom bap.

[Freeze]

This record is heat.

[Joe Budden]

I think that you know more about stove God cooks than most people.

[Ish]

That's probably true.

[Joe Budden]

I think that since his clips album appearance some people that may not have been so familiar with him they got to be some of those a lot.

[Ish]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

A lot. If a hook could take over an album, he got it. I think there's new people here. I think they're just saying like I said it's in a box and it sounds different. I think that not only is this hard but this is the natural next steps for him. I feel like he's also put out.

[Ish]

Records where I've played one on Sleeper here I made a joke like I'm gonna play some R B too. And it was stove God over some.

[Joe Budden]

I remember that.

[Freeze]

That was hard.

[Ish]

Yeah and it was a hard record. Like this is not even weird or rare for his solo or nothing. So shut the upper up.

[Freeze]

Hey listen, I'm all for doing some other when it's dope. This is hard that I heard that record and was like yeah I, I.

[Joe Budden]

I woke up that day and thought the Internet had him dead to rights. Before I heard the song the way they was going yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

I said.

[Joe Budden]

I was like whoa, let me go check it out. Then I started in my head ghost. Oh God.

[Ish]

Some of y' all ears be bad. I don't know what to tell you.

[Freeze]

No, they just wanted like you said, want to keep you sounding just like this. No attempt at growth, nothing so that we could then complain and say you make the same song over and over, right?

[Ish]

Sorry dog.

[Joe Budden]

I'm playing this just cuz it was hard. It's on st. God page. Oh come on.

[Freeze]

That remind me of.

[Joe Budden]

Come on man. Remember that.

[Freeze]

Remember that record Good drink. It was, it was two chains. I Think Gucci and Quavo. But then he went and got the choir to do the hook and it reminded. It was like, that's one of the. They started using the trap choir first.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Freeze]

And it reminds me of that the.

[Joe Budden]

Other day there was a clip of Stokely singing if you breaking my heart. And the band was playing it behind him. I think he was too close to the horn, so you couldn't hear him. But great idea, great idea.

[Ish]

Your horse is loud as fuck.

[Joe Budden]

Also in music. I want to read this. I saw Parks post it and I saved it to read it just because I thought it was fly.

[Ish]

This is great.

[Joe Budden]

A record producer in LA said most musicians don't fail because they're bad. They fail because their nervous system can't survive the industry. And every artist in the room went still. He said the biggest myth in music is that success depends on exposure. No, he said, it depends on whether your body can handle being unseen longer than you expect. Most artists quit not because they're untalented, but because their brain interprets silence as danger. The industry doesn't break voices, it breaks nervous systems. They scout emotional. He said labels don't scout talent. They scout emotional durability. This is when I saved this.

[Ish]

This is the one where you spend.

[Joe Budden]

The ability to create when numbered numbers drop to write when no one cares to perform after rejection. Number 47.

[Ish]

Or 440.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Four million and 47. To stay human when algorithms treat you like a product.

[Ish]

Air horns.

[Joe Budden]

He said 90 of rising artists crumble not from hate, but from the invisible weight of being ignored. Yeah.

[Ish]

You left earth right there.

[Joe Budden]

Then he told the story of a singer who went viral overnight and disappeared six months later. Not because she lacked songs, because the dopamine crash after fame felt like grief. He is killing this. Yeah. Her body couldn't handle the altitude, he said, and no one teaches artists how to breathe up there. The crowd went silent like they suddenly recognized themselves. He revealed the real industry filter consistency under emotional pressure. Not talent, not looks, not luck. Just the ability to keep creating without collapsing into comparison. Self doubt or the terror of being, quote, unquote, too late. Most artists don't lose their dream, he said. They lose their self trust. He ended with a line that felt like a punch. Your biggest enemy isn't the industry. It's the version of you that believes you're running out of time.

[Queens Flip]

Time.

[Joe Budden]

He is smoking. Yeah. Because that belief kills more careers than bad marketing or missed opportunities. And every musician in the room suddenly excelled. Exhaled like someone finally named the Monster under the stage.

[Ish]

He smoked that. Whoever this is. It could have been a. I don't care. The words were great. The words are absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Even if that. Even if that's AI. AI got that from a real place.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They spoke that somebody that really went through something. He.

[Freeze]

He.

[Joe Budden]

That was it. That was it. So just wanted to throw that in there on the tail. Tail end of our stove God conversation, brother Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. I just wanted to send an rip to one of our. At least for rap underground rap fans.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. One of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One of the greats.

[Ish]

Mars Co Op from the Roots crew collective, most famous for the opening verse. And clones.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, he Body clones, which he went.

[Ish]

Crazy on, but did a number of other features.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's all up and down, half life body in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

We don't know the. The cause of death, but. But rest in peace. At least. I'm not aware of what it is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, nothing's been announced yet, but shout out to him and salute. Sending love to all of them.

[Joe Budden]

I was just googling, trying to find it, but yeah, y' all right. Yeah.

[Ish]

They haven't, to my knowledge, revealed anything. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[Freeze]

Rest in peace.

[Ish]

A lot, A lot life lost, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's getting rough as a Roots fan over the years, you know, from Hub to even the manager, Rich Nichols to obviously, you know, Malik B. I mean, we, you know, it's some. Some. Some losses, man. So sending them love and comfort.

[Ish]

For sure.

[Joe Budden]

For sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Is now a good time to tell y' all what B. Simone said?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's always good.

[Joe Budden]

Always.

[Queens Flip]

We always want to hear what she says.

[Joe Budden]

This is just funny. I don't even know if it's true, but it's so funny. I'm saying it and it's true. Let me not say that. B. Simone was on Live and someone asked which would she choose, a trillion dollars or ten minutes with Jesus? She said the money. Because Jesus probably wouldn't tell her nothing different than what's already in the word of God, and she would waste her 10 minutes stuttering. And the Internet is on her ass about it. Why?

[Freeze]

Why are they on her ass?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I can see both sides of it.

[Queens Flip]

Why?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I'd like to think Jesus, if you believe in Jesus, you like to think you got something else to say. Like, there's no remix, there's no new. Jesus is not here.

[Queens Flip]

Jesus is not giving you the word. I'm just saying this is not a.

[Freeze]

If I believe in Jesus and I'm like an active Christian and all of that. I'm gonna see him later on anyway. Let me get this.

[Joe Budden]

We got an appointment already scheduled.

[Freeze]

I'll holla at you when I get up there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Big dog.

[Freeze]

Let me get this bread right now though, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Counterpoint.

[Queens Flip]

Ain't that like Jesus the genie? He not a genie. He ain't gonna make your wish come true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How you get the trillion in.

[Queens Flip]

Body.

[Joe Budden]

That I knew I shouldn't ask this for a week.

[Queens Flip]

You'll spend 10 minutes with Jesus?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got a lot of money.

[Queens Flip]

You got a lot of money already. You on your way to a trillion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I was making 20 million a month, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I see that, nigga.

[Queens Flip]

But like, good looking, my man.

[Joe Budden]

You looked out for me, Ice and Corey, I believe. What would you pick?

[Queens Flip]

You know what I'm picking.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Queens Flip]

Picking the bread, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to think of a creative way to say I'll take the bread, but I'll take the bread.

[Freeze]

Cash me out, big dog.

[Queens Flip]

Say it loud. I'm black and I'm. Hey, I'm gonna be tap dancing out of heaven.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is like lunch with Jay Z.

[Joe Budden]

I shouldn't even ask you right why I'm asking.

[Freeze]

I mean, what you think?

[Queens Flip]

Why you saying you shouldn't, bro?

[Freeze]

What would you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your answer?

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying, like, is it obvious that you would pick the money?

[Freeze]

I wouldn't take the money. Oh, that's why y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. I wasn't rude against them. These niggas just scaring me. Okay, awesome.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your reason? What's your reasoning? What's your thinking?

[Joe Budden]

Him you need a reason to say for that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We gave our reason to take the trillion, cuz, y', all.

[Freeze]

If you really got faith in God and you really believe that God got you, then you can make the money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you really believe God got you, why y see him face to face?

[Freeze]

So that I could talk to him about what? What y' all going to talk about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That you can't talk to when he.

[Freeze]

Not there, Whatever the case may be. But you can talk to God every night in prayer. You said you pray every day. I do. How?

[Queens Flip]

How you pray? Ish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you feel like he said.

[Joe Budden]

I heard you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You've been asking for money.

[Queens Flip]

I sent you a trillion dollars.

[Freeze]

I sent you the option to get the money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trillion dollars. Your dumbass came here to see me.

[Freeze]

You still came to see me. That was my gift, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

You will pick a trillion dollars over being able to have a 10 minute conversation with Allah. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can say it slow, you can say it dramatic.

[Joe Budden]

You can change the names.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can change the names.

[Freeze]

You could put all of them together.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. I'm still going to take the money Allegation about Mark too. He, he ain't going to beat him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fine.

[Freeze]

It could be a whole conference.

[Ish]

Taking the money. I have a relationship with God already.

[Freeze]

Jesus Allah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, it's a long distance one and we good with this. Send me the trillion.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so the no praying Thanksgiving thing, maybe it's not a big deal. These are nuts, man.

[Freeze]

Run my money, man. You know what?

[Joe Budden]

I could wait.

[Queens Flip]

Come on.

[Freeze]

What you going to do? I'm just saying I could change my entire family's like every couple of famous.

[Joe Budden]

You mean like, like God could?

[Freeze]

Yeah, well he gave me that. He gave me the trill. He gave me the trillion.

[Joe Budden]

Stop God's plan. Anybody that picks the money can't. Can't really believe in a higher power.

[Ish]

I disagree. I think anybody that picks the conversation doesn't believe in the higher power a certain way because I think if you have a relationship with the higher power, you've already.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Faith.

[Ish]

Faith.

[Freeze]

I've spoken to him all the time.

[Ish]

You think that that would be ignorant of me to think that he's not listening and I need some reassertment if.

[Joe Budden]

He really wanted me to hear. But this question is not saying you can talk to God and he's listening. Uhhuh. He talk is saying you get to have a 10 minute back and forth conversation with God. That's what it says.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't got that many questions. My main question is how can I get a trillion dollars?

[Joe Budden]

But you could would ask that and have 9 more minutes and 45 more seconds to get more.

[Ish]

I think I could change the answer more with the money than I could.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Trillion dollars. Take it, dickhead.

[Ish]

I don't think that anything that God tell me that the rest of civilization would believe anyways.

[Queens Flip]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

To each his own for everybody. Mark, I'm more. Pardon me, Mark. I'm more taken aback because he's nigga that say don't nobody even need a billion dollars.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I'd give it. I'd give it away. I'd give it away and change the world. I wouldn't keep it all like Scrooge McDuck.

[Ish]

I would take one dip in the pool though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Jumping into a pool of hard coins feels really like a bad idea. I've been watching that since I never sold on it. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Not to be that guy. Do y' all ever Think that God can hear some of this shit y' all say?

[Queens Flip]

I was made.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, y' all throw it all away for a hypothetical. Off the ground.

[Freeze]

Yes. But I was made in God's image. So God put me here. Yes, I was.

[Joe Budden]

No, you wasn't. Exactly wasn't.

[Freeze]

Yo, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Blame.

[Freeze]

Blame God for my sense of humor.

[Joe Budden]

All right, boy. God. I'll talk to you later about it.

[Queens Flip]

So you talked him already. You told him already, Free. Yeah. You told them already and he talked back.

[Joe Budden]

But you have to believe that to not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he talk back, then why you.

[Joe Budden]

Need his face to face to not pick the money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, if he already talking back.

[Freeze]

You ever talk to somebody on the phone?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

You want to see him sometimes, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes.

[Queens Flip]

Keep going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To stay on his phone.

[Joe Budden]

I can't believe that this whole room sans is. I'd have been wrong if somebody would have bet me a million dollars or a trillion. Well, I wouldn't have took the B, but I would have never guessed that ish would be down with me and the rest of the room. Room. Paul, what about you? Are y' all this poor? Like, what the yes, Yalls view of God is? Imani.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all can see the face somebody just made.

[Freeze]

I wish y' all could see the face. Like, he disrespected that Joe, even asking him. I thought he would have said.

[Queens Flip]

I thought my brother.

[Joe Budden]

He's good. He good.

[Freeze]

I saw him.

[Queens Flip]

He good.

[Freeze]

Erickson, what's your choice?

[Queens Flip]

It's over, Joe. You were is by yourselves like back in the days.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

This is why.

[Ish]

Hopefully not.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. It's not even just y' all pick. It's like y' all strong, proud of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Standing in it.

[Joe Budden]

They happy no matter. Yeah. It's not real. Go ahead and say it. Go ahead and say it. Wait, what else? What else ain't real?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can touch his face.

[Joe Budden]

I can touch his money, though. Flip, do you believe? Do you believe in I power?

[Queens Flip]

I do, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We can move on.

[Freeze]

I believe.

[Joe Budden]

We got it. We got it. We got it. Sure, we got it.

[Freeze]

That's crazy.

[Queens Flip]

No, we got it. Two different things. You converted, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. All this converted me to what?

[Queens Flip]

You believe in God?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. Yeah, sure. But, like, no, you.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, Mark, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a conversation I have on podcast. I. What I say is how I understand it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, then yeah, sure. Shouldn't be a thing that you say on podcast with that little smug ass voice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that was a joke. I was lobbing it up for Corey, when you asked me, Cory's not on.

[Queens Flip]

You know what might have relations on podcast. You know, it just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. I don't think religion does well on podcasts because you don't have a chance to actually expound. But what I would say is how I understand and conceptualize God is more complicated than other people. So the idea even of having a one on one conversation, like it's a. Like it's a king on a throne for me, is something I don't. I don't believe. So it's hard for me to choose that over something that's material.

[Queens Flip]

Do you believe all man is God like that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I don't. I don't. I don't conceptualize God that way. That's more what it is. But that's a complicated conversation. Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Okay, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But also. Sorry, brother. Also, I want that.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Won't run $1 trillion.

[Queens Flip]

You know what's so crazy? He talk about anything else, but when it comes to religion, that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not true. There's a lot of personal stuff I don't talk about.

[Freeze]

It ain't got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is Grandma. Okay, I guess is a personal matter for me.

[Queens Flip]

I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I.

[Freeze]

It ain't got to be a trillion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got to be a trillion.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid me. Through that commercial. I told you we was running a lot of Sunday morning air time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, change it next time or take this out. Got an easier fix.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A million.

[Freeze]

I'm taking the cash.

[Joe Budden]

Is.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Ish]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Freeze]

A million. Cash right now. Yes. Wow. A ten minute conversation.

[Queens Flip]

100,000.

[Freeze]

Yo, tell these. Yo, it's flat, right?

[Ish]

A million.

[Freeze]

Hold up.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Queens Flip]

Joe was really disgusted. Grow up, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Recently, y' all said a bunch to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Grow up.

[Queens Flip]

We your friends, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Make me disgusted, though. It's fine. And I'm sure you all are disgusting.

[Freeze]

Yes, you can. Yes, you can.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, you can be disgusted at some of your friends.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We discussed each other all the time.

[Joe Budden]

That's just the gig at this point.

[Queens Flip]

It's not by your personal belief.

[Joe Budden]

It don't change.

[Queens Flip]

It don't change anything about our relationship.

[Freeze]

It don't change nothing. I could just be like, damn this.

[Joe Budden]

Really think that I'm getting serious. But you know why Picking the money is stupid. All right, so you pick the money and then God did your whole family.

[Freeze]

Or not, though. You saying it like that's. That's the other alternative. Or you had a conversation with God and you have a 10 minute conversation with God and he show you how to be abundant in all these Other areas outside of finance.

[Joe Budden]

Then what.

[Queens Flip]

Spat on me.

[Joe Budden]

And these are white couches. And what are you drinking? Coffee? Some. Some is stained.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Holy water.

[Joe Budden]

Something that the tide pin ain't getting out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, holy water.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Queens Flip]

All right.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. And that's. You know what?

[Queens Flip]

What?

[Freeze]

Yo, you say religion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Three and a half hours.

[Freeze]

I ain't going to do it. I ain't doing it.

[Joe Budden]

But yes. Is that a three.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, three and a half hours.

[Ish]

Three and almost four.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, then wait.

[Ish]

This podcast will be for it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I had a bus about 3:30 right now.

[Queens Flip]

We was cooking your parks.

[Ish]

Cooking with this.

[Joe Budden]

Your parks.

[Queens Flip]

Your man, he hurt by that look. He don't like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was mad about the Thanksgiving. Oh, you weren't.

[Queens Flip]

Was.

[Freeze]

That was a Friday?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it was a classic scene, man.

[Queens Flip]

No, I was filming. I was filming in Chinatown. Getting a lot of money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

They're not praying on over the Thanksgiving food. I. I could understand it, but it was a little judgment. The what decision certain people made in the voting booth. Hey, your world. But that comes with a little judgment. I think this one is kind of.

[Freeze]

Worse than is the conversation with Jesus or God.

[Joe Budden]

One of Trump's own.

[Ish]

He said Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

Jesus.

[Freeze]

You said Jesus first.

[Joe Budden]

I did not say Jesus.

[Freeze]

Yes, you did. You said Jesus first.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let me read it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which is also an important.

[Queens Flip]

We don't gotta clean it up. No matter to his feelings.

[Freeze]

If they cater to his feelings to God, y' all opinions will still be the same. Oh, no, I'm still gonna take the money.

[Joe Budden]

I just want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But it is important distinction. It is very important. 90%.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but still. Yeah, nothing would change the God money.

[Freeze]

Still. They gonna still.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? Oh, Corey, that's a solid point.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. I don't listen to nothing. I don't hear him. Nothing that he says. I'm not playing with Corey.

[Freeze]

You already are. No, I'm not playing.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Freeze]

Cause he go too far.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all understand?

[Queens Flip]

He go too far. Stop. Y' all heard my man feeling. Stop. For real.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I fully understand now why Cory doesn't have a mic. I didn't understand when I first got here.

[Freeze]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now I get it.

[Queens Flip]

You can't judge us like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What a show, though. What a show.

[Queens Flip]

We did play Take Me to the King. Take Me to the King. He play that. Don't play no gospel, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Don't dis.

[Freeze]

Yeah, don't. Don't disrespect, man. Come on, man. Come on.

[Queens Flip]

Is crazy. He bothered. He's making faces to himself. All right. Bro, we good. We love.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Just turn the comments off for a couple days.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

That's all.

[Queens Flip]

I don't think it's anything bad. I think you said anything bad.

[Freeze]

It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

They.

[Freeze]

You know. You know how it goes.

[Queens Flip]

Don't make the. You know, they pay. How you think? How they 7 went on Sunday.

[Ish]

They got soup, boys, church.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they got damn sure do. Fry us.

[Freeze]

Forgive them for they know not what they do.

[Queens Flip]

Surprised at you, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Actually, I just thought of a nice little comedy series of picking the trillion dollars and then God just. With them.

[Freeze]

Yeah. Oh, you like. Oh, you like handicapped girls, huh?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Over there. Oh, my Lord. Oh, my God. Yes, sir. Good episode.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For sure. Yeah, this was good.

[Freeze]

This was good. Good job.

[Queens Flip]

Get out of here. He give me path to my good episode. Watch your mouth. Every episode I'm on. We good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is like.

[Freeze]

I ain't going to lie. Flip went crazy. That's. I mean, tomorrow.

[Queens Flip]

Hey, yo, listen. I'm here to support baby. I'm living my life. I'm here to support, man. I got something for you. I bought something for you. That's my brother. I bought one. Some of these. You know what I'm saying? I love you, man. I'm still slapping you, though, if you don't come in on your birthday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are we doing a surprise drawing for you when he don't expect it.

[Queens Flip]

I choked the shot.

[Joe Budden]

They need it, bro.

[Freeze]

I was gonna tell you to play something.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I was. I was gonna tell you.

[Joe Budden]

I can't even hear Ty do dollar sign right around these right now. I got. Honestly. No, no, for real. Honestly, though.

[Queens Flip]

Come on, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly.

[Queens Flip]

Everybody different, brother.

[Joe Budden]

Like, y' all should have just lied. God can hear y'.

[Queens Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all about to lose favor over a hypothetical.

[Queens Flip]

We love God.

[Joe Budden]

You about to be stuck in Chinatown tunnels.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. You want to play?

[Freeze]

God know my heart.

[Joe Budden]

You. You crazy. Don't worry about it. Moment of S for my car jam, though. It's snowing outside. They were scared of the snow before they did that. Yo, guess where I'm getting home safe. That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Queens Flip]

I live right up there.

[Joe Budden]

It's like I just changed these tires during the tail span.

[Queens Flip]

You look right up that hill.

[Freeze]

That's a deep hill. You better not. You better not crash.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna be like cartoons. I don't remember a cliff being here.

[Freeze]

Hey, I chose God.

[Joe Budden]

Where am I crashing?

[Queens Flip]

Why y' all talking like this?

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Queens Flip]

Look at your man making a mockery Don't. Don't wish that on your man. Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Wish. No. But sometimes I don't even even say things I think cuz it would be an inopportune time to die right after I said that. I can't.

[Queens Flip]

You say everything that you think you.

[Freeze]

Die when it's your time.

[Queens Flip]

Corey be having to say if you believe.

[Joe Budden]

If you believe in him.

[Queens Flip]

Pick that up.

[Freeze]

And that was determined before you got here.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, don't talk. And I am here. It doesn't matter what I do.

[Queens Flip]

A real good song.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to y' all out there, man. Hopefully y' all enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Some of us. Keep me in ish in your prayers. At least the rest of these. I pray they get a buck. Hit the lotto make. Make a millions. That's crazy. Lord knows we need it. Until the next time we bid you in. Do farewell. Adio. Cerebra di Hasta la vista. Arvois. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass another. So let's make this one last as if it's all we. So next time y' all hold it down. Remember, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want to you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol. He's so disgusted with us. He don't want to know what we doing.

[Queens Flip]

He don't want to know what we doing this week. He's so disgusting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, who gives a what you. So next time we'll be back on Friday. Same time, same place. Saturday for y'. All. Actually, it might be Friday.

[Queens Flip]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

I love you, man. He didn't see the best in yours. Look at y'. All. All right, we ended this. We out of here, man. Yo, ladies down, man. Same time, same place this weekend. Throw the leftovers in the fridge away. It's over my y' all hold it down. Praying for anybody that might be going through it inside and outside the pod. Anybody fighting a silent battle. Anybody with loved ones you got to take care of people getting sick. Health as well. Please.

[Freeze]

Can I ask y' all one question? The question says simply this.

[Joe Budden]

What did he see? He saw the.

[Freeze]

I can't get no help of it.

[Joe Budden]

Here because he about to kill this after praise wrote you off.

[Freeze]

Said you would never amount to anything. Said that you would never end up being anywhere. But Myron, tell him one more time.

[Queens Flip]

What did he see? He saw the.

[Joe Budden]

Hey.

[Freeze]

When mama said you would never be nothing. When aunties and uncles said that you'll never mount anything.

[Queens Flip]

When Daddy didn't come home anymore, he didn't look at you and say that you weren't going to make it. God looked at you and what did he see? What did he say? Is there anybody here tonight that's so very thankful that God did that right? Picked you off, that he did not throw you away, that he picked you up?

[Joe Budden]

Where would you be without the jvp? You've never heard of Joe buddy?