Episode 892 | "We'll Talk When I See You"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 892 | "We'll Talk When I See You"
Date: January 7, 2026
Host: Joe Budden
Co-hosts: Mark Lamont Hill, Ish, Queens Flip, Freeze

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Overview

Episode 892 reunites Joe Budden and his eclectic crew for the first episode of 2026. Returning guest Mark Lamont Hill joins in for a hilarious and wide-ranging discussion mixing light banter, real-life moments, politics, culture, and a dash of sports and music news. Laughter, debates, inside jokes, and genuine conversation mark the occasion as the crew tackles everything from club groupies, family lies, and parenting to weight loss, Jeweler drama, Netflix's new adult ambitions, Donald Trump's international power plays, and the enduring function of hip hop and black culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. New Year, New Lies & Relationship Games

[00:28–07:30]

• After welcoming Mark Lamont Hill back from St. Kitts, the guys compare notes on club dynamics, New Year's resolutions, and “relationship lies.”
• Joe and the crew joke about how being in a relationship lets you dodge awkward situations by blaming your partner (“That’s the other great thing about being in a relationship, to always back right out of there. That is fly.” — Joe Budden, 06:49).
• Queens Flip describes his Dry January: being the only sober one at a drunken kid’s birthday afterparty, the struggles of “sober hangouts,” and how he extricates guests politely (“I start going upstairs and coming back downstairs…” — Queens Flip, 21:37).

Memorable Moment

• Playful debate over who lies more, single or coupled people.
• “Being single come with having to conjure up way more unnecessary lies.” — Joe Budden [07:03]

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2. Parenting, Passports, and Plane Mayhem

[08:12–11:01]

• Mark shares his harrowing travel back from St. Kitts during US travel restrictions, then venting about flying coach with his energetic son while his wife and daughter are up in first class (“I had to fly coach…being slapped like a $2 whore by a 3-year-old.” — Mark Lamont Hill, 09:49).
• The crew riffs on parenting, the chaos of traveling with toddlers, and moving into new parenthood stages.
• Running joke: “Mark, another kid on the way?”

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3. Game Nights, Weight Loss, and Fridge Flexes

[20:43–25:56]

• Discussion on new versions of Uno, the best parts about being in a relationship (“Right on her” — Queens Flip, 06:58), and the retirement from “game night runs.”
• They trade stories about trainers, dietary habits, and the ridiculous cost of Doordash salads.
• Joe refuses fridge-shaming: “I don’t have a family fridge. You got a rich people fridge.” [25:32]
• Others describe growing up with “deep freezes” and the nuances of ‘family fridges.’

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4. Hot Take Time: Donnie McClurkin & The Church

[27:17–38:32]

• The crew flips a coin between Donald Trump and gospel singer Donnie McClurkin as their first “serious” segment. Tails: Donnie.
• Mark breaks down the recent civil lawsuit against McClurkin, accused by a former congregant (21 at the time) of sexual misconduct during so-called “praying the gay away” sessions.
• Context on McClurkin’s book about “overcoming homosexuality”; discussion turns to hypocrisy in church leadership and the legacy of “conversion therapy.”
• Mark: “There ain’t no church…that runs without gay people. Ain’t no hip hop that run without gay people…So let’s show love to gay people, support them, and not do this shit.” [38:13]

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5. Jeweler Fights & Digital Personas – The 47th Street Brawl

[49:44–61:14]

• Recap: Online jeweler “Trax” confronts a rival in NYC’s Diamond District over selling fake gold to a customer in Trax’s name. Physical brawl, spitting, and police involvement.
• Debate: Should jewelers be theatrical and build online “personalities,” or does this undercut trust and luxury market discretion?
• Joe: “That’s one of those professions...I don’t want to see anything theatrical on the Internet.”
• Freeze and Ish argue that some digital persona is inevitable, especially for LA/Southern jewelers.
• Freeze warns: “If you turn it into content, you gotta be open to whatever comes with it.” [62:45]

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6. Netflix After Dark/Streaming Adult Content

[73:39–81:29]

• Netflix’s rumored “After Dark” adult content section: team splits on whether it’s a good idea.
• Mark worries about a “monopoly” (“People should have to go somewhere else for porn”), while others pivot to laughs about hidden browser histories, “librarian porn,” and OnlyFans-style content.
• Ish notes concerns with Netflix acquiring Warner, shortening theater windows to just 17 days.
• Joe: “Going to the movies is an experience. You got two weeks. I want to be in bed, butt ass, with the bowl in mind.” [84:19]

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7. Trump, Venezuela & U.S. Imperialism

[119:37–133:13]

• Mark provides context on the US capture of Venezuela’s president Nicoás Maduro and wife, international law broken, and why the US really intervenes (“This is about Venezuelan oil. This is about power. This is about control.” — Mark, 121:13).
• Debate: US hypocrisy (“The US does not have feelings. It only has interests.” — Mark, 129:34), the history of regime change, and how the U.S. polices other nations under the guise of democracy.
• Joe: “That was nuts. I’m with y’all. I’m against how that happened.” [129:56]

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8. Sports Takes & Hall of Fame Banter

[65:09–73:15]

• The group dives into NFL playoff picks, spirited worst takes about Seattle/New England/Jacksonville, and the controversy over Myles Garrett’s sack record (how longer seasons affect historic stats).
• They riff on the joy of pro sports record-breaking and a desire to be at milestone games, with Mark lamenting, “I’m not impressed by that shit.” [71:07]

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9. Hot Topics: Pastors’ Wives, Black Music, & Backflips

[93:02–118:48]

• Recap and group reaction to Pastor Jamal Bryant defending his wife’s “flesh color” dress at a fundraising gala. The team explores how women in the church are judged for appearance, double standards, the phrase “come as you are,” and what it actually means.
• Later segments touch on upcoming releases from Bruno Mars and Ari Lennox, the significance of Jodeci to Black music, and which 90s hip hop groups they wish Gen Z would re-discover (revisiting PM Dawn, KRS-One, and “Set Adrift on Memory Bliss”).
• Comedy returns: the never-ending “backflip bet," with Ish maybe owing Mark $10k if he doesn't land it by a new deadline.

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10. Industry, Betrayal & Friendship Boundaries

[150:03–161:16]

• Listener Letter: What do you do when a younger family member insists on following the “family business” in crime despite your efforts to lead them out?

• Ish & Freeze argue you have to sometimes let people learn the hard way (“Sometimes they gotta learn the hard way.” — Ish, 151:28), while Mark urges never to give up.

• Joe asks: If you once knew someone famous who committed heinous crimes (like Aaron Hernandez), how would you talk about them? The group debates separating on-field/off-field and what lines are uncrossable.

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11. Loose Ends, Culture & Lighthearted Closes

• Mark launches a new podcast with his wife (“In This Thing Together" — 133:34).
• Brief check-ins about current TV (“Gilded Age”), movie-watching habits, and how theater experience is changing.
• A light moment as Joe calls DJ Akademiks live to clear the air about media alliances and beef, reinforcing their lasting friendship (“One thing, and this is why I always say…Joe is always my man.” — DJ Akademiks, 171:05).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Relationship Lies:
  “Being single come with having to conjure up way more unnecessary lies.” — Joe Budden [07:03]

• On Parenting Young Kids:
  “And I’m being slapped like a $2 whore by a 3-year-old… And he’s really strong.” — Mark Lamont Hill [09:49]

• On the “New Uno”:
  "That’s the other great thing about being in a relationship, to always back right out of there. That is fly. I’m not going to lie." — Joe Budden [06:49]

• On the Church & Sexuality:
  "There ain't no church...that runs without gay people. Ain't no hip hop that run without gay people...So let's just show love to gay people, support them, treat them like human beings and not do this shit." — Mark Lamont Hill [38:13]

• On Digital Personas in Business:
  “If you turn it into content, you gotta be open to whatever come with it.” — Freeze [62:45]

• On US Foreign Interventions:
  "This is about Venezuelan oil. This is about power. This is about control. And the person they're trumpeting as the real leader of Venezuela…she's a hardcore right wing pro Trumper." — Mark Lamont Hill [121:13]
  “The US does not have feelings. The US only has interests.” — Mark Lamont Hill [129:34]

• On Letting Family Learn the Hard Way:
  “Sometimes they gotta learn the hard way.” — Ish [151:28]
  “If you love someone, never give up. Go out swinging.” — Mark Lamont Hill [155:09]

• On End of Episode & Growing Up:
  “Can this be the year that this podcast grows up a little bit? Honestly?” — Joe Budden [138:43]
  “We’re never growing up, Joe.” — Freeze [138:48]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• New Year, Club Banter: 00:28–07:30
• Parenting, Travel Woes: 08:12–11:01
• Game Night, Relationship Dodge: 20:43–25:56
• Donnie McClurkin Allegations: 27:17–38:32
• Jeweler Fights & Digital Persona: 49:44–61:14
• Netflix After Dark & Movie Experiences: 73:39–81:29, 83:00–85:00
• Trump, Venezuela, & US Imperialism: 119:37–133:13
• Sports Takes/Worst Take Segment: 65:09–73:15
• Pastors’ Wives, Music Nostalgia: 93:02–118:48
• Family, Loyalty, & Hard Lessons: 150:03–161:16
• Joe & DJ Akademiks Call: 165:41–172:28

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Tone & Vibe

• Conversational, warm, irreverent, and deeply candid.
• Even hot-button topics are handled with a blend of real talk, sarcasm, and disarming wit.
• The crew’s chemistry shines, especially when heavy moments are undercut by inside jokes or playful jabs.

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End Note:
A strong return for the JBP with both laughter and gravity, Episode 892 offers everything fans love: wild tangents, real insight, and unfiltered friendship.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should definitely do one and rolling.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Freeze]

You ain't Uncle Murder. You Uncle Love.

[Ish]

Say something to them. Your voice got to be the first one heard.

[Joe Budden]

Peace, peace, peace, Peace, Peace, Peace, peace, peace, peace. God is good all the time and all the time. Amen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Amen.

[Joe Budden]

Amen. So happy to have y' all here with us today. So blessed to be here. So filled with joy. So happy to have you guys here with us. Salute. Salute.

[Ish]

Salute.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, yo. Welcome. Come on, come on, come on. The line's still around the corner. Come on, let her in. Look at dude pushing her out the way to come. Look. Always have a move, nigga.

[Freeze]

See that Shoes first.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I don't miss those days of the dude groupies using their strength to get in front of the girl groupies. Oh, man. Tides were turning in the clubs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, just thinking about it.

[Joe Budden]

You've been around for. Yikes. Oh, man. How y' all doing?

[Ish]

We're doing good. What's up, man?

[Joe Budden]

Good.

[Ish]

Feeling.

[Joe Budden]

Good to see y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Ish]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Good to see y'.

[Queens Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Good to be seen by y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all looking good. You're smelling good. Mark, what's up? Welcome back. Welcome back, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Happy to have you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Happy to be here, man. Happy New Year.

[Joe Budden]

Happy New Year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't. I feel darker.

[Freeze]

I feel darker. What does that mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I feel like I look darker.

[Freeze]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Yeah. I got a little tan.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of work, you know, a lot of laptopping and computers, computing. It was. It was hard. It was a tough trip, but I made it through.

[Queens Flip]

I'm sorry you went through that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, sorry.

[Ish]

Sorry to hear that shout out to you.

[Freeze]

Such a tough trip. Fucking saying.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm ready to be a hypocrite and totally contradict myself when it comes to something I've said on the air. Oh, word. I know.

[Queens Flip]

Shocker.

[Joe Budden]

Shocker.

[Freeze]

I'd have never guessed that in all.

[Ish]

Of my 10 years. All right, y', all.

[Freeze]

Him.

[Ish]

Let him do it.

[Joe Budden]

So now Mark was off last week on his made up schedule.

[Queens Flip]

I'm sure he sent an email.

[Joe Budden]

That's peace. My man told me he's going off to work, so I take his Word. That's the type of friend I am. But the algorithms kept showing me his wife's Instagram.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The algorithms for my wife's private Instagram account. I know. Algorithm. You're mispronouncing your.

[Ish]

I know you. I know you ain't do that.

[Joe Budden]

This different.

[Ish]

Yo, did you go to his wife's Instagram to check where they were at?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His private.

[Joe Budden]

His wife was having a time of her life.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, she was.

[Freeze]

It doesn't mean he was.

[Joe Budden]

This guy's wife was up. Oh, my God. It looked like heaven during Mark's little work line.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So the thing is, it happened by chance.

[Queens Flip]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That this speech was during Carnival on the St. Kids.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Freeze]

Oh, yo, hold up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How was I supposed to know?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna speak to St. Kitts.

[Ish]

No, I was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was the keynote speaker for the Prime Minister's gala. Yeah, that was a very big deal. I was the national guest for. And shout out to the people of St. Kittsville.

[Joe Budden]

I was checking your story. I ain't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't post anything because.

[Joe Budden]

Well. And I hit that other tab where, like, if somebody else see you, they.

[Queens Flip]

Did like the tag.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, nothing was there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna post something late. I want to make sure I got home safely first. There's some security issues. That's important when you're. When you're. When you're. Yeah, security issues.

[Ish]

Shut your ass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm serious. Donald Trump was everything. I almost couldn't get out. Yeah, almost couldn't get out. They shut the fa, the faa, shut the airports down and said we had to stay to the 15th of. Initially, I was trying to figure out how to have that conversation with you. I was like, this nigga's not gonna believe this. And I could show him the news, but he's not gonna read it.

[Joe Budden]

So that news stuff ain't. Don't fly up here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, it's gonna sound crazy. I'm stuck here on this resort for another 10 days. But I got out this.

[Joe Budden]

You said you was almost stuck somewhere, too.

[Freeze]

Nah, some of my peoples got stuck in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dr.

[Joe Budden]

I care about you, nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You have your peoples.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Corey know you got out.

[Ish]

You got out quick.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever the case, man.

[Ish]

Let me see escape. You look like you had a little.

[Freeze]

He just said he got the passport office, too. I didn't go away, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he did. Just doing the passport office.

[Freeze]

I don't have a passport, bro.

[Joe Budden]

They just stuck out there with the new UNO.

[Ish]

Reverse skip.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ish]

No, you come in.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey, hey, audience, this is so great, man. What is said about the new Uno? How. How new Uno came on.

[Queens Flip]

You wanted to put it on the board.

[Freeze]

He said, yo, do we have Taboo?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, we was gonna play Taboo on.

[Freeze]

On.

[Joe Budden]

On Patreon. Yo, patronis, who's nice? Salute. Hit that. Hit that sub. Hit that sub. Happy New Year. Welcome. Fun vibes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And then Ish was like, yo, y' all played the new Uno? Like, you know, you heard about it. It's like, no, I've never heard about the new Uno. And at my age, where would I? I said, oh, you still going to game nights, boy?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But, boy, that is the only way you find out about the new Uno.

[Joe Budden]

That game, that shit is lit right now. You still walking in with a bottle. A bottle or something by Lamo hit old school.

[Freeze]

I'mma take it tonight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

He don't drink. You know, we are walk. Nouveau. You some nouveau.

[Queens Flip]

We're not giving him nouveau, man.

[Joe Budden]

I just couldn't figure out where somebody like Ish would know about the new Uno because I did the game night run with my boy. Like, then it was over.

[Freeze]

It was over for you.

[Joe Budden]

I thought we both retired from there.

[Ish]

He back out is what time of game night?

[Joe Budden]

Who your game night crew.

[Freeze]

Now, I haven't been to a game night in a mad long time, but.

[Ish]

It'S cool what time I usually at.

[Joe Budden]

Where you learn about the new Uno, though?

[Freeze]

My girl got it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's the other great thing about being in. In a relationship, to always back right out of there. That is fly. I'm not going to lie.

[Queens Flip]

It's the best.

[Joe Budden]

Right on her.

[Queens Flip]

It's absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

That is dope.

[Freeze]

I'm going to throw the lie on my girl.

[Queens Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Being single come with having to conjure up way more unnecessary lies.

[Queens Flip]

Word facts.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway.

[Ish]

No, y' all played on over.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's a dud.

[Freeze]

You, your girl being single, you don't gotta lie.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Freeze]

She.

[Joe Budden]

Antoine, stop it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't do this.

[Joe Budden]

Pretty Boy Floyd sitting here right now.

[Freeze]

Being single, you tell more lies.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

And they're harder.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, okay.

[Freeze]

Crazy as hell.

[Queens Flip]

I'm sure our wives are saying the same thing about us, by the way. They be lying on us.

[Freeze]

Yeah, it's his fault.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Owing us to us.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Yo, stop. That's why I love this room. Right? At this point, it could go.

[Queens Flip]

It could.

[Joe Budden]

It could in the room sense. There's a tension that fills the air when it's a room like this. I'm out of here, buddy.

[Freeze]

Take your foot off.

[Joe Budden]

I'M out of here. I've been having a blast. I've been argument. 2026.

[Freeze]

No, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Nope.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I tell you, I missed y' all though. Serious. All jokes aside, like being.

[Freeze]

Miss you too, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you. Thank you, man. I got to watch the show as a fan again, you know, like watch these episodes. Y' all killed it.

[Queens Flip]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They were great episodes, man.

[Joe Budden]

2020. Y' all had Wi Fi out there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, the country has Wi Fi plane.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get crazy. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, that was it. Just want to say. Okay. That's all.

[Freeze]

How did lil man do on the trip?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, my God. I really missed y' all on the way back because of cause of the Trump shit. I had to fly. And basically, I don't know if it's a human rights violation, but it's certainly like third world. I had to fly a coach. Oh, not you. And I had to connect in Miami.

[Joe Budden]

Oh my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It sounds crazy, but y' all met my son. Imagine.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, that does help.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Two four hour flights with him.

[Joe Budden]

With him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I lost the first class battle.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I'm in coach, my wife and my daughter. My daughter went. So my wife and my daughter up in first class. And I'm with him. And he had.

[Joe Budden]

Holy shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

What a bitch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I was going to be up front, have my daughter be in the back, but he was having. He's going through these fits and shit. So his new thing is slapping people.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

That's the best boy phase.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I didn't know that. Cause I had girls before. So he decided to try out this new habit right as we're getting on the plane. And so with you? Yes.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, at least it wasn't with strangers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish it was strangers. Do you know what it's like? Do you know what it's like, first of all, to be. People recognize you on a plane, you go to coach.

[Joe Budden]

Pow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I'm being slapped like a $2 whore by a 3 year old. Not that, you know, probably text workers should be slapped, but to be clear. But he's just slapping the shit out and I can't stop him. And he's really strong, like to the point, like, let's just say really strong. I'll just say that. So I had to restrain him. He didn't catch yourself a little bit.

[Freeze]

Like you touched it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And all you can do is hit him back or take it. So I spent the whole flight holding him down until he fell asleep.

[Joe Budden]

Come here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

N. Yeah, man. That shit was Terrible nightmare. By day three, I was ready to be out. My wife was great, my daughter was great, but he's a terrorist. And then we dropped him back at school on Monday though.

[Freeze]

How many days you stayed?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

5. And then we got back at like. Cause of the Miami connect. We got back at 2am he had about three hours sleep. I drove him right to that school. It started 8:30, 8:29. I was at the door.

[Freeze]

Earn your money. Earn your money.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say that. I didn't say shit. I didn't wait for them to open the door. I stood right in front of that. I beeped three times and I was gone. I swear to God I was going. He made a home.

[Queens Flip]

That's all that matters.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That guy Mark going through was torture. Absolutely.

[Freeze]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what comes with it, man. Old having young children. Yes. You know. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what come with. You got deal with it, man.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? Young boys, you know what I mean? You better have another one. Feel it coming. I see it. You've been looking at the camera. You've been watching what you say. My girl is the queen of my life. You've been saying a lot of we have another one. Boy, I come to that baby shower.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know you ain't coming.

[Freeze]

You're not going.

[Queens Flip]

Definitely not going.

[Freeze]

Not coming to that baby shower.

[Ish]

You know, I've been arguing with this. That cuz you went to the crib, he sort of confirmed it and I didn't go to his crib and I don't like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I neither confirmed nor denied it.

[Ish]

Like he just met you.

[Joe Budden]

Like he.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you know I wouldn't come on air and say it.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true. So what? His crib, I feel like his crib is nice. I want to meet his peoples and I want to go there. Bitch ass nigga. Yo, fuck him, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Well text him about it sometime.

[Ish]

Shut up. I'm, I'm mad at you too.

[Freeze]

Why you mad at you?

[Ish]

I've been calling this all weekend.

[Queens Flip]

About what?

[Ish]

Just calling my man to check on.

[Queens Flip]

Him, see what it's Cap, that's where it get.

[Ish]

What was I calling about?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Freeze]

It wasn't to check on you.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all.

[Ish]

What was I calling about? So say what I was calling about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y yo, so say cuz, you know.

[Joe Budden]

I, I, I don't start the new year. I Don't start lying till the second quarter.

[Ish]

Gotcha.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ish]

That's a fact.

[Freeze]

That's a lie right there.

[Joe Budden]

I don't start the new year off with lies.

[Ish]

Nigga said I'm in the conference. Text me that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You said he was in a conference. This nigga's a liar.

[Ish]

I'm about to kill this nigga.

[Joe Budden]

That's one of the things that's dope about not speaking to people on the phone is that you kind of can get a sense of what's going on by who's calling and when they calling. Right. Like when you called me Saturday at a nice Saturday.

[Freeze]

Bright and early too.

[Joe Budden]

If you give me. If you give the room the time and day that you call.

[Queens Flip]

He had that woke up feeling productive and refreshed on a weekend vibe.

[Joe Budden]

You know what? They're gonna feel it in there.

[Ish]

Like Wednesday, 2:35pm Let me haggle with Joe right now.

[Freeze]

Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday.

[Joe Budden]

That's when you called.

[Freeze]

You ain't going after that?

[Ish]

No.

[Freeze]

You said you called him all weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you said you called me on the weekend. So you lied.

[Ish]

I did lie.

[Joe Budden]

So Wednesday, what time?

[Ish]

2:35Pm 2:35.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Was that new Year's Eve?

[Queens Flip]

It was.

[Freeze]

That was New Year's Eve.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I would definitely not. Dub City. Dub City.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I know.

[Freeze]

So y.

[Joe Budden]

He call Wednesday.

[Freeze]

You ain't never return his call?

[Ish]

N. He don't return my call.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. No, yeah, no, text me. I ain't return the call.

[Ish]

You return everybody else call except for your boys, right?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not returning no calls.

[Ish]

Return calls.

[Joe Budden]

If it's important, call me again.

[Ish]

All right, cool.

[Joe Budden]

I got you.

[Queens Flip]

Or text me or text me with the information that you need to know.

[Joe Budden]

Or text me.

[Ish]

Got you, bro.

[Joe Budden]

And what you was going what you was calling about?

[Freeze]

What.

[Ish]

What do you think I was calling about?

[Queens Flip]

Phones are for talking.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Ish]

What do you think? I was calling?

[Joe Budden]

Only he want to sit on the phone and burn through all his anytime minutes. Only he want to sit on the phone and do that.

[Queens Flip]

They could get rid of the minutes. I don't need them. Like they don't. They could get rid of. Honestly. Yeah.

[Freeze]

I don't need.

[Queens Flip]

So if you can't FaceTime me, that means I'm not available.

[Ish]

Ish. Feel like if you. He doesn't want to text, he feel like his minds will get warped. He prefer to talk old school shit. I think he still got a house ph that with the cord.

[Queens Flip]

He probably does.

[Ish]

He probably still got it it some face to face.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

He.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was trying to get helped by the fence. He's like, we talk in person. I want to buy a brick. I want to buy a brick. Of co.

[Freeze]

Just want the fans rub.

[Joe Budden]

It off on you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll talk when I see you. Not on the phone. What the are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

I need a fence.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a fence. I need a fence.

[Freeze]

I want a fence. Stupid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Ish]

Come for him.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Queens Flip]

We'll talk when I see you. It's actually pretty good. I like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we said it like. Yeah.

[Freeze]

And I know I'mma see you. Yeah, yeah, I know I'm gonna see you.

[Joe Budden]

Say nothing neither, too. Yo.

[Ish]

Hello. Yo, what up?

[Joe Budden]

He stayed quiet for, like, four minutes.

[Ish]

You good talk.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Freeze]

So what you calling for?

[Ish]

Oh, him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what he was calling for.

[Joe Budden]

You know he don't call.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you think? Was that a bonus? Bonus?

[Freeze]

Oh, you know what it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no, no. I held out as long as I could.

[Freeze]

You did good, January.

[Ish]

And truth. No, and truth is, is that, like, as you know, as you know, I took less than what I was supposed to take. So I feel like every time I talk to my man about it. Cause I came late the other day, I felt like he was playing with me. He said, yo, you talking to me like that? He did it. I let that shit go. Professionalism. So I called my man. Yo, what we doing? Are you trying to dead me? Am I a bird? Are we gonna talk behind the scenes? He ain't pick up. He was on the conference, so I just came in to work. Nigga, you can have that. He good. Let him do that.

[Queens Flip]

You tried calling in?

[Ish]

Nah, I'm not doing it.

[Freeze]

I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your palm you pointing at me?

[Ish]

I'm not doing that. No, it is what it is. He know. He know what? He know. He could have called me.

[Freeze]

Yo, do you feel he owe you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Freeze]

All right. What's up?

[Ish]

It's all right. I'll feel you owing me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Please.

[Queens Flip]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Mike check, Mic check. Yeah, I mean, gonna do this a little different today. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

[Ish]

Ego.

[Joe Budden]

So glad y' all could be here. With salutations. All those nights when you got no lights.

[Freeze]

I never heard this part.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, it's probably a fight for who owns what and what was available for purchase. A lot of these might be karaoke joints, but who cares?

[Freeze]

Sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows.

[Joe Budden]

Your name.

[Freeze]

And they're always magic.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to wherever you might be.

[Ish]

Listening from E. Where you can see troubles are wrong.

[Freeze]

That's your theme song. Ish.

[Ish]

There's some shit with this playlist. You know what this is? You just sit here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch this.

[Ish]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Next.

[Queens Flip]

Bangers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Those are bangers.

[Joe Budden]

Bangers.

[Freeze]

They made the kids sing that at kindergarten graduation.

[Joe Budden]

Ah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Worst show ever.

[Joe Budden]

Strum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not a theme song.

[Freeze]

Full house right there.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right, come on, we got a show to do. Let's see. Oh, no, that can't be that. I don't have different strokes.

[Freeze]

No, that ain't though. That's full.

[Joe Budden]

That's good, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why everybody singing is like the great value version of the real person.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we got a great show.

[Ish]

Lined up for you today. Carry you home, everywhere you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Use your.

[Ish]

I love it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love it too.

[Freeze]

It's funny. Good old days.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Freeze]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why not? Man, they all slaps, man.

[Joe Budden]

Keep this applause going for the best crew in the world. Let me get these drops out the way. All right, what episode is this?

[Queens Flip]

And flip, flip, flip. Come on, let my man go out like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

892Queens flip.

[Joe Budden]

Queens flip. Queen split. Queen split. No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this?

[Queens Flip]

892.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 892 of the Joe Button podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Pitch. Prize Pitch gang. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people to my right. You know the vibes. Queens get the money. Queens Flip is in the building to his right. You already know what it is. Philly's finest. Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Welcome back.

[Joe Budden]

Next to him. Come on, Mr. Light Eyes himself a thousand doors and up. Our good brother Ish is in the building. Building next to him. Come on, man. Need we say more? Ask the nation if you didn't know, Mr. Take it further. The freeziest of them all, our good brother Ice is in the building. Elmira's finest, Mr. Fix it if it's something wrong with the audio. Parks is here real quick is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's poppin?

[Freeze]

What's up, man? How's everybody weekend?

[Ish]

Good, good.

[Queens Flip]

I'm in my sober dry new area.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

And I got to.

[Freeze]

Is that just liquor or everything?

[Queens Flip]

Everything.

[Freeze]

Oh, how's that going?

[Queens Flip]

It's going great. I went to my friend, had a birthday party for his one year old and it's my drinking friends. Yeah. So everyone was getting tore the fuck up and then they Came back to my house for the after party.

[Freeze]

That was a little rough.

[Queens Flip]

I'm not gonna lie. It was fun.

[Freeze]

You held strong.

[Queens Flip]

I held strong.

[Freeze]

Yeah. The non alcoholic.

[Queens Flip]

I made myself some little mocktails, you know? I mean, it was cool.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Queens Flip]

But being around a bunch of drunk people when you're sober, it starts to wear on you. It's like they're doing shots and annoying.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Queens Flip]

Multiple shots within an hour. I'm like, you guys.

[Ish]

Y' all just took a shit.

[Queens Flip]

You just took a shit.

[Freeze]

Do you need another one?

[Joe Budden]

How do you. What's your. What's your move? When you're about ready to let everybody.

[Queens Flip]

Know it's time, I start going upstairs and coming back downstairs and going upstairs and coming back downstairs.

[Freeze]

Go upstairs a little longer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, exactly.

[Freeze]

Start cleaning up on them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Cleaning up.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Take the garbage out and.

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, that's the one.

[Joe Budden]

That's my problem. Go upstairs and go to bed. Yeah, I'm gone. I'm out. This function, buddy.

[Ish]

Lock the door.

[Joe Budden]

It's bedtime. Have a blast down there.

[Queens Flip]

I thought about it, but I was having a good time. But they were drunk and I was not.

[Freeze]

What time? What time? It wasn't that bad.

[Queens Flip]

It was maybe one.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

It's not terrible. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For y'. All. That's like.

[Queens Flip]

But they started drinking at like 3pm so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Freeze]

So one party.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. One is like, sheesh. But we had a good time.

[Joe Budden]

So what you did this weekend.

[Freeze]

Freeze. I ain't.

[Ish]

This.

[Freeze]

This weekend. Absolutely nothing. Okay, that's it. Let's spend some time with moms.

[Ish]

That's it.

[Freeze]

Now that flew by. Danny.

[Joe Budden]

Don't.

[Freeze]

Didn't know it was Monday. Yesterday. Like.

[Joe Budden]

Like damn well up for a minute. Freeze. Your trainer getting you right, boy.

[Queens Flip]

Slimming down. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You're looking good. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. You're looking good. Appreciate it. Starting to see results. Appreciate it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All natural.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I just. In the gym.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

You're not doing any type of supplements.

[Freeze]

Or nothing in the gym, buddy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember earlier I said we need to.

[Joe Budden]

Huddle up.

[Ish]

All that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ish]

I wasn't here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Injecting himself. You suck.

[Ish]

You know, they was gonna tell you that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We wasn't here.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ish]

He can't say where we at.

[Joe Budden]

Come on.

[Ish]

I wish I would have knew. I wish I would have knew, but now I do.

[Queens Flip]

You would have got some too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I snapped it. I'm outside.

[Ish]

I'm putting that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's not say never now.

[Ish]

Well, maybe, but I don't have diabetes. And 1, 2. I'm putting that work? I'm outside, man.

[Joe Budden]

Z Bound is not for diabetes, by the way.

[Ish]

What? Ozempic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not on Just. Just so we clear, he's on Zempique. It's like a. It's a French one.

[Ish]

Yeah, I thought it was formation.

[Joe Budden]

I to Zep, not to be confused with those Zimpy folks.

[Ish]

I don't. Explain the difference to me.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not here for that. Consult with your primary position. I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do see a difference already though. All jokes aside, I do see a difference.

[Ish]

I don't see no difference.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at his stomach.

[Ish]

Let me see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He looks way better. It looks good.

[Queens Flip]

See? He might have just took a good shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that. That different.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Ish]

Put it in one different.

[Freeze]

Are you picking them up on buy.

[Joe Budden]

You a drink first?

[Ish]

Damn, boy. I try to doubt you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I see.

[Ish]

I see why you did it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This said Pound town.

[Queens Flip]

I might start drinking again.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. They can't. They can't shame me. I'm having a blast. I'm having all the fun in the world.

[Queens Flip]

What have you eaten?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Queens Flip]

What have you eaten?

[Joe Budden]

I'm eating shitty in here, okay?

[Queens Flip]

I mean, I'm a little charcuterie. Little?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You nibble a bit.

[Joe Budden]

I'm eating.

[Ish]

But it's an appetite.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. After that. That's it.

[Freeze]

How many times a day she want.

[Joe Budden]

Me to be a foodie with her so bad? Sorry, Ma.

[Freeze]

How many times a day you eatin?

[Joe Budden]

One and a half. Nah, hit him with whatever I want to eat, whether it be breakfast, brunch, or dinner. Then I'm gonna hit him with a salad later on. Yo, dogs, I'm ready to start the petition for how much a salad cost on Doordash and Uber Eats. Yeah, we paying 35 and $40 for a salad. Dog fam.

[Freeze]

The salad. Remember when I was getting a salads.

[Joe Budden]

Brought here for lunch? Yeah.

[Freeze]

Shit was $50.

[Ish]

Sheesh. Damn. It's the only time all I get.

[Freeze]

Was a salad and a smoothie.

[Joe Budden]

I can hear the mature people in the audience now. Go to the supermarket stuff to make a salad.

[Queens Flip]

Keeping all that salad making material at your house is a lot. It's gonna go bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's exactly what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Word. I ain't gotta have a. I don't have a start a family fridge. Yeah, you do. No, I don't.

[Queens Flip]

You got a rich people fridge work.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you talking about the quality of the fridge or what's inside of it?

[Queens Flip]

The quality of the fridge?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think what's inside of it.

[Queens Flip]

Ah, I see.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm talking about, like, the size of it. Oh, you are like them family people on Instagram. They fridge is big.

[Freeze]

Oh, you talking about the walk in fridges and shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm talking.

[Freeze]

We ain't talking about that. You still got a little. It ain't regular little.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's not regular.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not little.

[Freeze]

It's, like, stopped. We've all seen your phrase. You had a family growing up.

[Joe Budden]

It's little to me. Had a family growing up. I have a family now. What are you talking about?

[Freeze]

Yeah, did I grow up with they refrigerator?

[Joe Budden]

Wasn't that. Nigga, we was in the projects. We was in 1809.

[Freeze]

And your refrigerator worked.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what was going on in that kitchen back then.

[Freeze]

Nigga might have had a deep freeze.

[Joe Budden]

I wouldn't know.

[Freeze]

Definitely had that deep freezer.

[Joe Budden]

I had a drum set, and before that, I had pots and pans. I was making a beat. I was busting tunes down in the living room. What's up, y'? All?

[Freeze]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

Come on. What they need our opinion on? Oh, man.

[Freeze]

What do they need?

[Joe Budden]

Our thoughts. Our thoughts. A lot of takes on about a.

[Ish]

Lot of crazy up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, to y' all out there that.

[Freeze]

Have been waiting for some takes.

[Joe Budden]

Doggone it, you gonna get some today. Now is the day. Buckle up.

[Ish]

Enjoy the ride.

[Joe Budden]

Buckle up. Takes are on the way. All right, where do we begin? Load the clips. Load up the tick clips.

[Freeze]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

What's up?

[Freeze]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

You ready?

[Ish]

What's one?

[Joe Budden]

Look, he got the ar. Chill. Freeze, chill, freeze. Ready to lead with some taste?

[Freeze]

I'm chilling.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, Nick?

[Queens Flip]

The biggest news of the week. I don't do we want to start with it. We do have a political expert.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to be that guy, but it is the biggest news of the week.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Freeze]

It's some of the biggest news ever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Donald Trump.

[Queens Flip]

There we go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Made the headlines. Not so United States, but all around the world this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna do it after this prospect. Oh, my Lord. Are you good with this, sir?

[Joe Budden]

Jesus, man. I'd at least like to hear an alternative before we just roll with it. Let's think this through.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We could talk about Donnie McLurkin. You know what?

[Freeze]

I'm down for that one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. Let's go.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I'm with you, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's start.

[Ish]

Let's go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You like to start with prayer? Let's start with a word. Oh, shoot. Fire. Help.

[Freeze]

That's the word he got me.

[Joe Budden]

Does anybody here have a coin?

[Freeze]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all are some rich.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got a change jar in his car.

[Freeze]

They got a penny still.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What the is that?

[Joe Budden]

Look at this coin. Yo, that.

[Ish]

It's got this dirty ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'm flipping a coin. Head. Heads. No, this is fine. Heads. Trump. Tails. Donnie McEr clerk.

[Freeze]

Okay, Donny. Tails.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Always tails with Donnie.

[Ish]

Everything good?

[Joe Budden]

Everything. Everything is good. Everything is good. Everything is good.

[Ish]

Everything good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, so Donnie McCurkin, Donnie McClurkin. Everybody's a serious matter.

[Freeze]

Yes. No joking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm pulling my notes.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not joking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Withdrawal. So for those that don't know, and some of you are as churched as me and Parks and the others, Donnie McClurkin is one of the leading, really legendary gospel singers of all time. He's also a pastor. His most famous song initially was We Fall Down, We get up, which has new meaning now and many other songs.

[Joe Budden]

Mark Lamont Hill.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never should have made it.

[Queens Flip]

A pod favorite.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A pod favorite. My Sleeper. But in all seriousness, Donnie McClurkin has just faced some new allegations. And I'm saying new for a reason. I'll tell you in a second. Donnie McClurkin has faced allegations from a former congregant in his church because he's also a pastor. The man was 21 at the time. Just to be clear, this is not an underage thing. This is not a legal thing. This is a civil matter. He's 21 years old, and he says that Donnie McClurkin used his power and authority over him to engage in inappropriate sexual acts, sexual misconduct, groping him, et cetera. He says that he went to Donnie McClurkin for spiritual guidance. To be the specific. Spiritual guidance is he wanted to pray the gay away. If you don't know Donnie McClurkin's previous work. Doing what? No, it was tails.

[Queens Flip]

Let him go.

[Ish]

Could have been heads, and that would have been.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Also died in McClurk.

[Ish]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He wrote a book called Eternal Victim, Eternal Victor, which I read, actually. It's a very, very riveting book. And in the book back in 2001, he talked about how he was able to overcome his homosexuality through the Lord.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, he prayed the gay away.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He prayed the gay away.

[Freeze]

Donnie did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Donnie did.

[Joe Budden]

I did not know that about the word. I didn't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I'm here. And it's. And it's Honduran. And so.

[Joe Budden]

These motherfuckers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so Donnie has Been part. As part of his ministry, has been helping heal.

[Queens Flip]

Heal. Let's put that in quotes or something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Heal other people from their homosexuality as well. And I'm using that word because that's the word he uses.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, we got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so according to this young man, when he went to Donnie for guidance, prayer, maybe laying hands, he laid hands, some things happened that he found inappropriate. There's an email that has been uncovered by the man. Again, he's 25 now. I forget how old he is now, but he was 21 at the time. Where. If it is Donnie, what Donnie said to him was allegedly. Again, allegedly. It has not been confirmed, but the email said, I'm a dirty old man for what I did. I apologize for what I did. You came to me for healing, and I was groping you, so. And I apologized. So he was apologizing for.

[Queens Flip]

Sometimes massages can be like a. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'S just, you know, healing. The deep tissue ain't really what you're supposed to be getting in prayer.

[Freeze]

It could have been a little tense and, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Well.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so now he's suing Donnie civilly for this. And while I find. I don't find humor in what happened to the young man.

[Freeze]

Of course.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all. I think I just find it so absurd that people in 2025 or 2026 now still think that they can get rid of being gay through anything, whether surgery, therapy, prayer. Because they still do conversion camps some places where they send you out for that camp for a couple months and come back. Change all that shit, man. It's. It's a stupid game, man.

[Joe Budden]

It is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish. On one kind of serious note, it's just the church. And when I say the church, I don't mean Christians. I mean every religion, right? There's gay people there. And we gotta stop pretending that there's not. Cause all we do is lead to shit like this. If this is true, this is how it happens. Cause this dude is so scared to be gay that he's going to somebody else who can un. Gay him, who's only interested in preying on him. And that shit is whack double.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Both of you see what I did there?

[Ish]

Good.

[Freeze]

Mark.

[Joe Budden]

J.

[Freeze]

Mark.

[Ish]

I did not know that about Donnie McCook, yo. I mean, I want to read his book now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've talked to Donnie before.

[Ish]

Neat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I interviewed him.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Ish]

Say something.

[Freeze]

Say something.

[Ish]

I want to read his book to find out more information about what you do. Research. Watch your mouth playing with me, nigga.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, Research.

[Ish]

Yeah, everybody Ain't. Yeah, Maud.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I've interviewed Diane before, or at least I've spoken to him. I don't know if I interviewed him formally, but we've had conversation about this, and I was like, you really think, like, you could stop being gay by praying? He said yes. What, did you give yourself a lisp? Oh, did that. That was Freudian, I guess. Not on purpose, but he was like, yeah, yes, you can. You know, if God wants to take it off of you, he can take it off you. And he seemed like he was serious about it, and so I. I would.

[Queens Flip]

Say it worked for him, but maybe didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I' ma tell you something. I know a lot of people in the gospel scene. I'm talking about just the men right now. Although I know a lot of lesbians, too. They be fucking each other on the gospel scene. They fucking. Some of your favorite preachers. Some of y' all favorite preachers is for the streets. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Ish]

Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The preachers is thoughts, dog. It's a couple people you see on tv on the TBN Network, and my man be like, y.

[Ish]

Pop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? I'm trying to tell you. All them gospel conferences, Mark, they be what you do. What do you think happens.

[Freeze]

Where you was at? I think they do a revival and rejoice in the Lord afterwards. After party. Yeah, they start with the Book of Acts.

[Ish]

What is wrong with this nigga, man?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This your man right here, trying to tell you. Yeah, yeah. No, it's wild out there. It's wild out there.

[Ish]

Listen, in Ohio, I bumped into a church conference. 17,000 people in Ohio, man. Seek. It's called Seek. Catholicism. There's a lot of things I saw, too. You know, I recorded it.

[Freeze]

You went up there Seek.

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't.

[Ish]

I didn't go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You shall find.

[Ish]

I ain't going seek anything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying.

[Ish]

It was just an interesting thing. I saved that for when it drops. But I understand what you're saying. But you can't just say that, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a fact that. Believe me, I give you a perfect example.

[Joe Budden]

Another ism for you both.

[Ish]

What type of ism you have.

[Freeze]

Push.

[Joe Budden]

You two, shut the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Please. You should know about capitalism.

[Ish]

You should know about capitalism before.

[Joe Budden]

I have another ism. Jeez.

[Ish]

Homeless ism.

[Joe Budden]

No, go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Freeze]

I'm just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all remember Eddie Long? That's a perfect example.

[Ish]

Come on, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Bishop Eddie Long. He started. He had the church in. Yo, it's not mature enough for this conversation. I'm trying to be serious and y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're giggling the whole time, man. It's disrespectful.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think this platform, like, you gotta take this to the gospel Reddit.

[Queens Flip]

You know, he's in there.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta take this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Save me.

[Joe Budden]

This is a little.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember Eddie Long used to lead the marches against gay people?

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was fucking the parishioners. He got caught leaving them the muscle shirt pictures to the young men in his. In his congregation and all of that shit.

[Ish]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said he's trying to flex his spiritual fitness. Y' all remember this?

[Ish]

Yeah, I do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's like the same people that talk this shit be exploiting. That's. That's the only thing I'm like behind closed doors.

[Freeze]

They be living differently.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's just like. It's just like the anti gay Republicans. It's the same shit. They talk that and they get caught doing this.

[Ish]

I understand.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's all.

[Joe Budden]

So we got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Donnie mc. Shout out to the young man.

[Joe Budden]

We got a big dog.

[Freeze]

We should have started with Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Turns out, yo, Trump, Venezuela was less controversial.

[Freeze]

We should have just started.

[Queens Flip]

He was happy about that tail, too.

[Ish]

Joe was over here dying, son. Joe like, God, please forgive me. Joe behind his glasses, looking up like, holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is this shit not over yet?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord Jesus. I was sitting over here like double Dutch waiting to jump in with absolutely nothing.

[Freeze]

Not me.

[Ish]

So also.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to jump in like. So I bought a Keurig. Oh, my God. Oh, my Jesus.

[Ish]

Thoughts and praise them.

[Joe Budden]

And prayers.

[Queens Flip]

Thoughts and prayers indeed.

[Joe Budden]

Tease and peace, man, if you don't think that gay gospel group chat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could just say gospel group chat.

[Freeze]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, what are you doing on vacation?

[Joe Budden]

Mark, you can't say these things. This. He's mad. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Y' all gonna get attacked.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a joke.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I'll say I'm done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This the last thing I'll say I'm done. Last thing I'll say.

[Queens Flip]

Go ahead.

[Ish]

I don't stand what it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying. All I'm saying is it's just like hip hop. It's filled with gay people. We pretend they're not there. We try to make fun of them, we exploit them, we shame them. But the whole thing only runs from them. There ain't no church, ain't no gospel network that runs without gay people. Ain't no hip hop that run without gay people. Ain't no. None of this shit. So let's just show love to gay people. Support them, treat them like human beings and not do this shit. That's all.

[Ish]

They're human beings.

[Queens Flip]

Great messenger. Great messenger. And I agree.

[Ish]

Of course you would.

[Joe Budden]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Ish]

Just talking to you.

[Queens Flip]

Offset.

[Joe Budden]

So I didn't really want to get a Keurig.

[Freeze]

How about the new Uno?

[Joe Budden]

You can skip the whole board. You talk about. Yo, I did get a new Keurig, though. I mean, I know we joking, but I did get one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're better than that, Joe.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I actually.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you know what?

[Queens Flip]

I'm fixing you up, actually, but I'm glad you mentioned that, cuz.

[Freeze]

You are better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, can you. Can you allow me to buy you a gift?

[Queens Flip]

No, I'm buying him a gift. I already have some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got, you got.

[Joe Budden]

I think I'm too ghetto.

[Freeze]

Y' all fighting over buying them a gift.

[Queens Flip]

We can split it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, let's do it.

[Ish]

They're not fighting, but there's something better than the cure.

[Joe Budden]

They're having like a talk about a friend.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this is how they sound.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I'm leaving friends because they're fighting to do something nice for someone you love.

[Freeze]

You can't buy it. I'mma buy it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it's. Cause he's a. He's a coffee head, and I'm a coffee head because, you know, I have a coffee shop, and so it's more about getting the. Right.

[Queens Flip]

I've also been recently converted to getting a really nice fucking espresso machine. I think my friend, as a coffee drinker, would probably enjoy a fever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'll change your life. I'm trying to tell you. Once you do that, you'll be. You look at the Keurig like it's urine.

[Joe Budden]

Telling you. I think. I think I'm too good.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I'm gonna get you the one. It's pretty easy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's pretty easy.

[Freeze]

What do you have?

[Joe Budden]

I was in there.

[Queens Flip]

This is espresso machine, but it's all fairly automated where you can Nespresso.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Queens Flip]

No plastic cups making your fucking coffee.

[Joe Budden]

Look, now you want to be the friend talk.

[Freeze]

Look, I. I want to be in the coffee talk.

[Joe Budden]

Now you want to be in the friend talk.

[Freeze]

I'm in a coffee.

[Queens Flip]

An espresso machine, but they make them where you can kind of. It tells you what to do. So you don't got to, like, know how to be a barista.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't got to, like, tap the.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, well, you do have to tap a little bit, but it's not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not major. Okay. He'll do it. Yeah, we got you.

[Queens Flip]

It's very easy. It tells you how to do it on the screen.

[Ish]

I like that. I like that. That y' all want to do that for our brother.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do it for you too. I do it for you too.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. If you're still doing plastic cup coffee, we should. Should fix you up.

[Freeze]

I don't know what that means.

[Queens Flip]

Anything with a little tiny cup that they put hot liquid through is weird and gross.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

When you think about it, he's shooting at the K cups.

[Queens Flip]

I am. All of the nespresso cake is gross.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like chaps.

[Freeze]

No, it ain't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, it is. It's worse. It's American Polo Association.

[Queens Flip]

It might be worse than that.

[Freeze]

Okay. You got a Keurig? Nah, I got an espresso.

[Joe Budden]

Gross.

[Queens Flip]

Then why you also gross? Same thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

Oh, that's bad too.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. It's just bougie kick ups.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Which are gross rep. Then what is it?

[Freeze]

K cups don't have a frother. K cups don't got all the other. That the nespresso got. So you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But you still put yours in a cup and then froth it.

[Freeze]

No, you put. It's two separate entities. You put the. The creamer in first, you put it on the frother. It spins it and all that other. And then you add the second component.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where's the coffee come from?

[Freeze]

Little plastic cup that they put hot.

[Queens Flip]

Liquid through.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To say that backwards. Like sound better, yo.

[Ish]

All right.

[Freeze]

Do we get it Y off?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Jesus.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The point is, the nastiest part is the c. I'm telling y.

[Joe Budden]

It's almost time. Y. Think I be joking around to be 50. That start happening.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it don't stop.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

[Ish]

That's his agent.

[Freeze]

I'mma start lighting y' all up. I swear to God, the whole room.

[Ish]

I'mma start.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm down with you. Program, cuz.

[Ish]

You talked about mixing and putting the queen first.

[Joe Budden]

Be like Bugs Bunny putting the.

[Freeze]

No, you're not. I thought.

[Ish]

I thought.

[Joe Budden]

You try to. It ain't going to be nothing but punks jump up to get beat down.

[Freeze]

You going to be the punk.

[Joe Budden]

It's going to be the cannonball. You going be the punk. Boom, boom.

[Freeze]

It can.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. We got. Hey, all you gotta do is ring my bell. Hold up. You need me to play it?

[Freeze]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

All you gotta do is ring my bell. I don't respond to threats. Ring my bell with something. Yeah. What's up?

[Freeze]

That's all right. Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You talk to him like that.

[Ish]

Johnny?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Watch your mouth.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Yo, I miss. I. I missed y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I about to say the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

I missed y'. All. Me and my girl talking about moving in, cuz. It's coming soon.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, son, that's dope.

[Ish]

Having the conversations.

[Freeze]

Let's get it.

[Ish]

Lip trembling.

[Freeze]

It's okay.

[Queens Flip]

He's. I've never seen you so careful with your words.

[Freeze]

You know what it is.

[Joe Budden]

But I know this about.

[Freeze]

Still just delaying.

[Queens Flip]

I said, yo.

[Ish]

I said.

[Queens Flip]

That'S what you're doing right now.

[Ish]

It's right back to rap that part.

[Freeze]

Yo, bring it back.

[Joe Budden]

Bring it back, bring it back.

[Ish]

Hey, now we do a punch in.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I'm saying. Your Parks is such a dick. Nah, bring it back.

[Queens Flip]

Crazy for this one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

I think that I deal with anxiety better than people. Oh, true.

[Ish]

He Bring it.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't think about that aspect of. To living with somebody.

[Queens Flip]

Which part?

[Joe Budden]

Their anxiety levels versus yours.

[Queens Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Freeze]

What do you.

[Joe Budden]

Man, fix it for me Successfully married people can't.

[Queens Flip]

You can't.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

You just got to learn to deal with each other's anxieties, and you got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To give them space when they do a situation.

[Ish]

I'm like, girl, you. I don't care about that. I'm not taking no snow off. I don't give up a. About the dangerous that could happen in front of the house or who could sleep in someone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the.

[Ish]

I don't give a. About.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Leave it. You got kids. Go sit your. I don't care about them.

[Ish]

They want to come inspect. They want to inspect the house. I don't give a.

[Freeze]

What they want to expect.

[Ish]

Don't open the door. I don't care about certain.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. No, it's true.

[Ish]

He's right. My wife, anxiety. Is she trying to play it off, like. No. Try to evolve me.

[Queens Flip]

I think I'm the more anxious one in my life.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Freeze]

Yeah. Oh, no, not even close.

[Queens Flip]

I got ocd. Short circuited.

[Joe Budden]

Was it.

[Ish]

Was it difficult?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but what about, like, with the life, right? Like the. All the life that as a man, you be like. When it's just you. You like. I got it.

[Queens Flip]

I don't tell her about those things. I just keep those on the bottom.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to.

[Joe Budden]

But what do you do when the. I got it doesn't suffice to your partner, like when you have to, you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just need a lot more. I got it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

And it depends on the circumstances.

[Queens Flip]

Just don't tell her.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but that's plan A.

[Freeze]

He's saying if they know already, like, yo, it's hard, yo, I'm dead ass. Like, haven't I always had it? Didn't I show you? Like my track record shows I could deal with this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I said.

[Joe Budden]

Let me just deal with it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's good work. That's what I said. That's good shit.

[Freeze]

Like you trust me, you don't always have to.

[Ish]

Sometimes you forget.

[Freeze]

No, no, what I'm saying is that's.

[Joe Budden]

Big dick Darryl right there.

[Queens Flip]

He did say his print was.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, that's dangerous.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's dangerous advice.

[Joe Budden]

Dangerous. Yeah, I agree with you talking. But you go ahead and open the door for your lady to tell you the truth about you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, they will remember the one time.

[Ish]

You didn't have it.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, that's true. Beat you down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Never don't have it. Because you hear that for the rest of your life. Now you gotta hear her listen, right?

[Ish]

Your mom, when you take that stairs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The next day you don't got it.

[Ish]

The next day you do some shit like, like and you have to go back and humble yourself and ask.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the worst.

[Ish]

Did you check on that for me? And then you know what I'm saying? So you got to be mindful. But freeze. You know, he got all the gadgets in the world.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So it tells him and he's responsible.

[Joe Budden]

I'm in the middle of some ill and the school system and.

[Ish]

What? Send it to Mary Immaculate?

[Joe Budden]

Oh brother.

[Queens Flip]

Nah, not.

[Ish]

Send it to the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like send him to my drop out. Shabazz.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, why are we on random? Isha we ever getting that backflip?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's already past the day. He owe me money now.

[Queens Flip]

It was $10,000 I forgot about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not gonna pay me.

[Joe Budden]

But I just want to know about him doing it.

[Ish]

I know my man ain't even.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We said, we said if it don't happen by December, it count like some.

[Joe Budden]

Of these topics we should get closure to.

[Ish]

But I thought he cleaned it up though. I thought he said. He said that he could have did it before, right?

[Queens Flip]

Redefined backflip. I think too at some point to what something that's not a backflip is.

[Joe Budden]

You're not doing that backflip, right?

[Freeze]

Yo, dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To the fans out there. To the fans out there. Can you find the clip and let us know when we said not only the backflip bet, but when the deadline would be for the backflip bet that we both agreed to.

[Freeze]

Yeah, you do that. I don't think.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but I'm saying after that I'll forgive a birthday next week. I'll forgive that next.

[Queens Flip]

Maybe you could get him a fence.

[Ish]

It's just.

[Freeze]

It's just wild.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not on the mics. Not on the mic.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. You're right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we. Cause this could go on forever. You could never be healed if by 12 months you're not healed. Could we just. Can you either quit and give me half of it or try it? Is that a fair. Is that a fair thousand percent? Okay. Yeah, I think that's fair. Is that what you need to recover? I want you to be fully healed when you do this. That's good. Rehab time. That's good. It should really be 12 months when he got injured. But I give him till now. I don't. You know, I want him to be good.

[Freeze]

Oh, shit. There's no more fair. There's no fear.

[Queens Flip]

And there you have it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There we have it.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so there was a date. There was a date, but we're not past the date.

[Queens Flip]

No, we're not past the date.

[Freeze]

No, we're not there yet.

[Joe Budden]

There was a date, but we're not.

[Queens Flip]

Past the date from the injury.

[Joe Budden]

I never thought this was doing the backflip. I said.

[Freeze]

I said it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait. Are you healed? You have 12 months. Are you healed?

[Freeze]

Which date is it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm asking, are you healed?

[Freeze]

I'm asking, which date is it?

[Ish]

Which date did that come out?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The debate was whether it was. It was 12 months from the injury or 12 months from the time we had that conversation. I'll pick either one of the time.

[Ish]

They had the conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Which would you prefer?

[Queens Flip]

Jew. Let's give him Jewel.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give him the Jew. Or Unless he's healed first, isn't that. Are you healed yet?

[Freeze]

Nah.

[Queens Flip]

Are you spiritually?

[Freeze]

You toy at Achilles.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I respect not being healed, but by June, you have to do the backflip, right?

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or $10,000 just don't do no damn backflip word. Pay his back, then.

[Joe Budden]

Enough of this.

[Ish]

Nah, he ain't. We backed out. Nigga, we good.

[Joe Budden]

We backed out. No way. Cause you saying it was a cash bet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a cash bet.

[Ish]

Nah, I'm speaking for my bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Been 10 stacks on this.

[Ish]

Nah, we good, yo. We good.

[Joe Budden]

Give him a walk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If he says he can't do a backflip, I'll give him a walk.

[Joe Budden]

Just take a walk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He owes me five. If he doesn't do the backflip by Jiffy, doesn't try it. But I'm. I'll give him a complete walk if he just says I can't do a backflip.

[Joe Budden]

Ah, speaking of doing backflips, y' all familiar with the big jewelry fight on 47th street in the diamond district?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, let's.

[Queens Flip]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

The. The melee. Big brawl. Big brawl over a bracelet. That was. Okay, let me see, let me see. It wasn't. Get this. Right, right. Somebody came in and Homeboy, the older jeweler guy, a Trax, whatever his name is.

[Freeze]

Ak.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, ak, whatever his name is. I don't know his name. But somebody came in there and they were trying to purchase a bracelet, but they were trying to purchase it from Trax Trax because they had heard of him or seen him online. He's got a growing Internet presence.

[Ish]

He does.

[Joe Budden]

So the other jeweler lied, said, yeah, I know him, I work with him. Sold him a bracelet that was supposed to.

[Ish]

To be 14 carat, but it was 10k.

[Freeze]

Nine and a half carats.

[Joe Budden]

There we go. So in the video we got. What's the jeweler name? I'm bad with names. Tracks came in there with the cameras rolling, wiling on homeboy for robbing him and doing that and saying that he is demanding some of that money back. $22,000.

[Ish]

Yeah, cuz he gave the. He gave the guy back the money.

[Freeze]

He gave the dude the money.

[Ish]

The 22,000 the dude that purchased.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he paid. He paid for that at his pocket.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So he went over there looking for the money and things got hectic.

[Ish]

It got crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Things got crazy.

[Queens Flip]

He got spit on.

[Freeze]

First the dude was being mad quiet, and then Tracks was being performative.

[Ish]

Super performative. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then he's a content creator.

[Freeze]

They removed them. Track. They removed Tracks.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Freeze]

Then when he came back the second time and he was this close to my man, my man hit him with the hot cha cha on his face.

[Ish]

Spat in his face.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you say hot cha cha?

[Freeze]

Yo, that's. That was a different type.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He hit him with the hawk fooy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd rather get punched.

[Freeze]

Smack me something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but he did that and did the dip back.

[Freeze]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

He spit in his face. And then. And then did back. I thought that was egregious. I thought that was absolutely egregious. If you spit in somebody face, be ready for what come after that?

[Freeze]

No, you got to spit with the hook on the way you got at the same time because you know what's up.

[Joe Budden]

And you got to know the law, cuz. Spit is assault. It is.

[Freeze]

It is definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Spit is assault. So they ended up arresting them, locking. Arresting the spitter and his homeboy.

[Queens Flip]

His man got these thugs off the.

[Ish]

Street, was crazy in there, yo. They was holding, yo, that was tracked by his chain, by his neck. It was choking him and all that. It was. It was nuts.

[Joe Budden]

But Ian loves tracks is cool. He absolutely loves him.

[Ish]

He's cool, he's cool, he's cool. I mean. You know what it is, though? I do respect Trax for at least putting it out there that he wants to treat the customer fair and be good to the customer. He didn't have to pay that guy 22,000 out of his own pocket. He didn't have to do that. He could have just said, yo, whatever.

[Freeze]

But go get your money from him.

[Ish]

Yeah, he paid him. He said he used my name, so let me pay you. I'm not with him at all. He's not a part of my company. But I'm gonna pay you, and I'm gonna go get it from him. So, you know, he tries his best to be.

[Joe Budden]

Load up my tape clip. Let me load up my. My tape clip real quick.

[Ish]

Well, you think it was set up? Explain.

[Joe Budden]

No, but this is one of those things where, you know, we had that conversation about Dr. Cheyenne, Brian, what you wore to Jeezy Jeezy, that. That a small portion of the fans hated.

[Freeze]

Oh, you're policing women.

[Joe Budden]

But in that conversation, we were talking about professions. Certain professions, and where we want to see them, kind of how we want to see them.

[Ish]

You wouldn't want to see a jeweler.

[Joe Budden]

Do never the never the never the never the never the case.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You wouldn't want to see a jeweler.

[Joe Budden]

What? Never the never the never the case. And I'm not necessarily saying me, because I don't want to insert my opinion on this, because I know tracks too, right? So I don't want it to seem like I'm using my voice to say this about him. I'm not. However, that's one of those professions.

[Freeze]

You want to see your jeweler doing what, though?

[Ish]

Fighting.

[Freeze]

Fighting. Pressing somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Anything theatrical on the Internet.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Not a thing theatrical on the Internet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That one surprises me a little bit. I'm gonna give a what, because I guess I wouldn't think you would care about what your jeweler does as long as the jewelry's right. Exactly.

[Ish]

As long as he's being honest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I get your point about lawyers and accountants, and I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

Because no part of spending millions of dollars someplace is a certain level of privacy.

[Freeze]

I don't understand. But that don't expose you, do it? I mean, I could be wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It could. Yeah, it could.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I got for y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Ish]

Yeah, you got to give us more.

[Joe Budden]

Eliante don't do it. He don't do it for a reason. Because his clientele, it's not flying, buddy. It's not flying.

[Ish]

So you think that.

[Freeze]

Yeah. But you can see your Jew. I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Ish]

No, no, no, no, no. Go ahead, freeze.

[Freeze]

You got. And I'm not, not knocking any jewels out there. You got Johnny Dang, who's constantly in video on the Internet doing things. You have Ben Baller, who's active on social media, on the Internet, addressing and doing it. Like you have jewelers who have high end clientele who still are on the Internet, who are still, whether it be video, tweets, posts.

[Ish]

He used the word theatrical. That's the word they use. So that's important.

[Joe Budden]

And people that you naming are in Los Angeles and in the South. Yeah, I'm talking about New York City, the diamond district and the celebrity that is here.

[Freeze]

I mean, do I gotta say it? Jacob.

[Joe Budden]

Jacob what?

[Freeze]

Jacob. What? Jacob was.

[Ish]

He didn't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Jacob.

[Freeze]

No, I'm not saying.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Freeze]

You just talking about the performative aspect. What are you talking about? Being presented out there.

[Joe Budden]

The growing your own personality in a manner to which that a cousin might have something to say. I don't know why. What's tough to understand about it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you don't have a problem with a famous jeweler, just not one that does like antics.

[Freeze]

Yeah, that's what you was losing? Is that what you're saying? What's the answer?

[Ish]

Just make sure I understand why you didn't look at it as.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it makes you.

[Ish]

Why you didn't look at it as. He prefers to go at people that are robbing the customers. Why you didn't look at it like that. Like, yo, damn, he's approaching this jeweler for taking advantage of customers.

[Freeze]

No, no. You playing with my name. I don't care if you took advantage of customers. You took advantage of the customer in my name, fucking up my brand. You sold that shit. The diamonds were supposed to be, I think, Vs or VVs. You sold the nigga some bullshit diamonds. You sold the nigga A bullshit bracelet with lower carat weight.

[Ish]

I understand it. But what I'm saying under my name, I'm asking Joe why he don't I got you. You.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm saying, well, because I'm not looking at this like an isolated incident. He is growing his online personality and has been for years.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So he has a digital footprint yet that is long before this incident.

[Freeze]

That's true. And. And those theatrics that he just exhibited.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm not saying nothing's wrong with it. Please. I'm not trying to speak down on what he's doing. I'm not. I'm not. This is. This is working. And I think some of them diamond district dudes over there is a little jealous of it. Like if we're going to have the conversation about it.

[Freeze]

So. So now guess what's going to happen because now people are going to look at him like standup. Like, you not trying to give us. No, no, fool gazy. You trying to give us what our money is paying for. I think his business is going to grow. I think he going to get looked at as an honorable standup guy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not mad at him.

[Freeze]

It's going to take off from that.

[Queens Flip]

I agree. Because it's not like. Back to Flip's point. It's not like he was doing just some goofy. He was standing up for the customer, which she. Some people always admire. But I understand your point too. I don't want. If I'm spending a shitload of money with you, I don't want you.

[Ish]

It's different going. I know what he's saying. When you go to the place with the. With the clientele, it's a different approach. The approach is very secretive. Very. White glove. White glove. It's very different. I know what he's saying.

[DJ Academics]

But today.

[Freeze]

Really that secretive no more.

[Ish]

No, it is.

[Freeze]

Yes, it is.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze.

[Freeze]

We were just talking about the one jeweler that's very big in the South. South that is making content out of. Yo. If you know who the 43rd and 45th president is, I'll give you a discount.

[Joe Budden]

Even then. Even everything you're talking about is like. And. And when I'm saying jewelry, I'm having a much broader conversation than what your favorite rappers is doing at that little booth. And past that. And because I'm familiar with that video you talking about, but even past that because I don't want us to get stuck on that. I have a. I have a. I just. I've always had a dude different view with Rappers and their relationships to the diamond district and what they do for each business over there.

[Queens Flip]

Say more.

[Freeze]

You don't have that same exact. You don't have that same exact feeling with regards to Bergdorfs or any other designers and what rappers do for them.

[Joe Budden]

Why you think that?

[Freeze]

Expound on your point first. Because I think I'm meaning the same, but expound on your point and then I could.

[Joe Budden]

Well, with jewelry, it's a little different than clothing. Clothing, you just buying shit. With jewelry, though. None of them niggas know nothing about what is being sold to them, what they purchasing. Nobody is inspecting nothing. There's a lack of due diligence being done over there. Even homeboy that. That. That purchased the bracelet originally. Did you see the video of him and Tracks?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

Like, did you see how he looked, how he sounded in that video, but, like, coerced?

[Ish]

Not coerced, no.

[Freeze]

It just sound not knowledgeable about what he was buying.

[Joe Budden]

Just. Yeah, man, it just looked like, you know, go over there. They tell you anything. They tell you anything. That's all. Hey, find a jewel you trust.

[Queens Flip]

That's pretty good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I have. Is there such a thing?

[Joe Budden]

Find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know if there was like, contractors, you know, where like, everybody. Everybody gets.

[Joe Budden]

And a bunch of people trust Tracks. Again, that conversation was inspired by that. But I'm not on him, but yeah, you think that.

[Freeze]

Absolutely. It's a hard conversation.

[Joe Budden]

You saying. No, you think? No, it's a hard.

[Freeze]

Some of the biggest name jewelers in the city have been caught selling the names them have been caught selling, fam. I told y', all, when I read Jeezy Book what he said about the watches he bought from the celebrity jeweler. Yeah. And he was like, yo. He's like, I got into a jam and I went to go get rid of the watches, and they was like, yo, dog, we'll give you 2500 for these. These are all. Yeah, he was, like, out of legal. He talked to his lawyers. He can't really say what he really wanted to say because I wanted to kill that. Yeah, that's just one example we've heard most our baby had to protect. Yeah, it was fake. He bought that from. From one of them.

[Joe Budden]

From not a jeweler that he trusted.

[Freeze]

No, I think he did trust. He did trust that. And a lot of people down there trust that jeweler. That's the problem. That's the problem. People get caught up on names and it's like, oh, he shopped there. He shopped There, he shopped there. He must be legit. But you don't know him, you don't know his product, you don't know them, the industry. So you walk in there and get ripped off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the problem.

[Joe Budden]

I do think you can find a jewelry.

[Freeze]

Absolutely. I mean absolutely.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

People out there just like you can find a contractor you could trust or a car dealer, mechanic, right. It's the same shit. It's just, it feels like just. And I don't know this industry, but just hearing all the stories, it just feels like it's harder to find than I thought initially any industry. How'd you come to trust yours?

[Joe Budden]

Years and years and years and years and years of a network of people checking shit against other people, against other jewelers and appraisers. It's a whole process.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When you buy something really expensive, do you go and get it like tested with another jeweler? Okay, that's the part.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And that's the process. When you go get insured. Like you got to take it away from your jeweler at some point. So. So you know, you get in good shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got it.

[Freeze]

There are industries where it's just not everybody can't do it. You open your door up to get played. Mechanics, plumbers, doctors. Yeah, doctor. I'm saying you lawyers, like some of these lawyers be robbing. They don't be that good. You don't know. Charging 750 an hour and they trash.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, Mark, if somebody came in Uncle Bobby's bookstore acting like homeboy was acting tracks even though we on his side in this, like how long would he.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Have had before got the beats?

[Freeze]

Mark would have said, here you go, sir. Here go two.

[Joe Budden]

No, I got the same question for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll get you a dictionary too. Somebody play that shit, man. Somebody was uncle wise tripping. I came down know the baseball bat. Oh, I mean I'm going to shoot you. I mean you, I mean but like. Yeah, I don't play that.

[Joe Budden]

If somebody come in your real estate agency acting like that, how long they got? Cuz I ain't going front. We on his side, but just as a business, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't get but so long he was doing the most.

[Joe Budden]

What you want me to do? My brother like he's doing the most. What do you want me to do? If I'm a fan of yours and you in here acting like that, what do you want me to do?

[Freeze]

He was doing the most. He should have got Merry Christmas a long time ago.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Where you come up? Give him a boot or at least.

[Joe Budden]

Kindly escorted out of the dog.

[Freeze]

Cuz. Cuz you could have handled that situation too totally different. He slammed the bracelet on the counter. He was just wild. He was bugging from the rip.

[Ish]

He said, he said that it's been going on for a while so that.

[Freeze]

You know that they be doing that type. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure you.

[Ish]

Turn it into content, you know?

[Freeze]

Yeah, that's it. That's it. So when you turn it into content, Coe, you got to be open the door for whatever come with it.

[Queens Flip]

It's true.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Freeze]

No.

[Ish]

And I'm with you.

[Freeze]

You see that throw that long ass haymaker at you. You was ready to tuck and roll.

[Ish]

It's cool.

[Freeze]

You talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, holy damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it even funny.

[Freeze]

You said do the street fight a.

[Joe Budden]

Blanco move with he.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When he tagged in the.

[Freeze]

When he looked at the cop first.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

The cop gave me the okay, right?

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You got me.

[Freeze]

You see this, right? You got see me. You see it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't let.

[Ish]

Forgive them.

[Joe Budden]

Don't let them provoke you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They don't.

[Ish]

They don't know where they are.

[Joe Budden]

They don't know.

[Freeze]

They don't know what they do.

[Ish]

They don't know what they're doing. Forgive them, Lord.

[Joe Budden]

And now it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize pick. All right. What the hell, yo, you trying to read my card? You trying to read my card number on my phone?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My son in his back?

[Joe Budden]

Are you trying to read my card number off my phone?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I need.

[Ish]

Nah, I ain't gonna do crazy. Why you. Hey, yo, you know what's so crazy, yo, I'mma check you. Yo, not on here. Not in front of these people. But when I call your phone, he not gonna answer. I know.

[Freeze]

You gonna check his voicemail. Say, hema, call him again.

[Joe Budden]

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[Ish]

Week you need to put on.

[Freeze]

Ish.

[Joe Budden]

Ish is going with Stefon Diggs for more than 49 yards.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

All right. All right. Juan Jennings for more than 40 yards.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Queens Flip]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

Jalen Warren for more than 12 receiving yards.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Brock Purdy for more than 229 passing yards. And Aaron Rodgers for more than one touchdown. You feeling yourself this week, huh? He threw in a little tug.

[Freeze]

I'm scared of those.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Queens Flip]

Ah, man, that's a good defense. You're going against them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it is.

[Freeze]

Aaron Rodgers get a touchdown bro.

[Queens Flip]

2 though.

[Joe Budden]

And DK back, he get a tie.

[Freeze]

Yeah, he should.

[Joe Budden]

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[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

All right, what else is important? Do we gotta get to the Trump shit now?

[Queens Flip]

You wanna do worst take first? You wanna get some pleasure?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, let's do some worst take.

[Freeze]

Worst take.

[Joe Budden]

Let's do worst take.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, let's do some worst take first.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I'm going with the Texans. I'm going with the Texans in that game. They got the Steelers.

[Queens Flip]

I got Texas Seahawks in the Super Bowl. I'm gonna get that out the way offer it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, brother.

[Freeze]

I got Seattle and the Patriots. Seattle and the Patriots.

[Queens Flip]

Have you seen what Texans have done in the last.

[Freeze]

Have you seen how 3 months Seattle just manhandled San Fran like, yo, they look like they was playing a high school team, dog. San Fran is tough. Yeah. Seattle, New England.

[Queens Flip]

I don't think New England's. We'll see.

[Freeze]

Those are my picks.

[Joe Budden]

I love worst take.

[Freeze]

Now I'm gonna put a little.

[Joe Budden]

It's my favorite show.

[Freeze]

Jacksonville could go.

[Queens Flip]

I like Jacksonville too.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They beating.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Jackson take worst take Jacksonville.

[Freeze]

Jacksonville's beating Buffalo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's nobody beating my Eagles.

[Joe Budden]

Eagles mention this conversation?

[Freeze]

Nobody said y' all take your ass back to St. K. You Jayla gonna join you?

[Ish]

The Eagles could beat the Niners. Jaylen coming right up there with you.

[Freeze]

So y feet in the sand.

[Queens Flip]

The Eagles could beat the ners. I don't know if I'm betting.

[Freeze]

I think that's where it's going to stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The game's in Philly.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, it is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, I don't. Who.

[Freeze]

Who else can they be after the.

[Queens Flip]

Niners I don't know about anybody. Well, the Panthers. But they're not gonna be there.

[Freeze]

But they're not gonna be there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Wait, who's. Who's, who's the 49ers quarterback?

[Joe Budden]

Wait, why is that game in Philly?

[Freeze]

Brock Purdy. Because they won the division. They get a home game.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, get the out of here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And he was rested to starters. They could have had a two season. They rested their starters to play the Redskins or the Commanders or whatever. The Commanders, Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You still saying Redskins?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, that's correct.

[Queens Flip]

He hasn't watched football.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta watch football.

[Joe Budden]

He's still stuck.

[Freeze]

He's still back there. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Lord. I'm going with the Rams. Give me the Rams for it all.

[Freeze]

For everything.

[Joe Budden]

Give me the Rams for everything. I don't care.

[Freeze]

Whoever you just got, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Against whoever.

[Queens Flip]

You don't got no favor in the afc.

[Joe Budden]

I'm scared of all of these guys. I'm scared. I don't blame you. I'm scared of all these guys. In the Chargers Pats matchup, I think that's going to be a tricky one. I don't know if. All the way. Trust the pass. If Joe Al was playing for the Chargers, I would pick the Chargers all day.

[Queens Flip]

That their defense is very good. And I don't know if I trust the Pats either.

[Joe Budden]

Playoff herbert. Playoff Herbert has me picking the Pats.

[Queens Flip]

Not mad at that, really.

[Joe Budden]

Playoff Herbert has me picking the Pats.

[Freeze]

It could go either way. I'm gonna rock with the Pats, though.

[Joe Budden]

The Buffalo game. Buffalo is playing Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Bye, Jacksonville. Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Queens Flip]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Bye. Bye. I'm not drinking that Kool Aid. Bye. Bye, Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence. It was fun. You won a lot of fantasy managers that match up. Had a good time. You had a good season. Good run. Wow, man. Really, really got the fan base hopeful and excited for what can happen next year. You had arguably the best year in your career. Trevor Lawrence. Way to go. Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. Okay, listen. Way to go, Trev. Hey, clap. Hey, clap for that man. Clap for that man. You're going against the NFL rushing leader. Say it with me, the rushing leader. You're going against that O line and you're going against that man over there who has years of experience and now he don't have to worry about Pat Mahomes or Joe Burrow. None of them niggas. All I gotta worry about is who?

[Freeze]

Who's this quarterback?

[Joe Budden]

What's his name?

[Freeze]

He'll say his name. What's his name.

[Joe Budden]

He'll know his name.

[Freeze]

He might know his name. He'll know his name.

[Joe Budden]

Josh Allen is not gonna know Trevor Holmes.

[Freeze]

He's gonna know his name.

[Queens Flip]

The Bills defense is sus.

[Joe Budden]

You wanna put some money on it?

[Freeze]

He's gonna. I don't bet.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. I don't bet. I don't talk to these dickless niggas. Then get outta here.

[Ish]

I know.

[Freeze]

I don't bet, though.

[Joe Budden]

I don't bet.

[Freeze]

Cause you don't pay your bets, so I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

I know, I know. I don't have a balance. I don't got balance in the street.

[Freeze]

Well, you know I don't got a.

[Joe Budden]

Balance in the street.

[Freeze]

Long time.

[Joe Budden]

My people get it to you. It don't come direct from me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't the old school no more. This ain't our old friendship. My people get it to you. I know you want to talk and. But, man. My people get it to you.

[Freeze]

My people get it to you.

[Joe Budden]

You talking about. Congratulations. Miles Garrett. Yes, Congratulations. Miles Garrett breaking the sack record. Let me hit the round of applause.

[Freeze]

Congratulations, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let me hit the round of applause, man. What a man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Did he?

[Freeze]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mark again.

[Joe Budden]

You don't watch football. You're not the Reds. Michael Vick is retired. What else?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I took math, though. It's not about watching football.

[Freeze]

Okay, so 23 is higher than 22.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, if I get an extra to do it.

[Freeze]

I did it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't like that. I don't like that. Look.

[Freeze]

So if that's the case, the record should stand for the 14 game season.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then I think so, too. That's the record. I don't like. Yeah, I don't like that. It's just like if. It's just like if Wilt Chamberlain. I know y' all don't believe it.

[Freeze]

Y' all don't believe that shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But, like, Wilt Chamberlain has 100 points in a game. If you added a fifth quarter to the NBA, sure. And then suddenly somebody comes up and drops 108.

[Freeze]

That's a good point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not impressed by that shit.

[Joe Budden]

You never been home and just wondered why Jay Z won't introduce you to Roger Goodale. Seriously. Just while you're making a sandwich in the house?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Stupid.

[Joe Budden]

For real? Cause you know these people. Why won't he introduce.

[Freeze]

Hey, dog, if that was your record, you wouldn't feel some type of way?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Freeze]

If you're. Who?

[Ish]

Straight here.

[Freeze]

Straight here. Or TJ Watt. Cause they share the record. Or OJ or anybody. I'm saying the two day they share the record at 22 and a half and you're saying he should feel away.

[Joe Budden]

No, straight.

[Freeze]

The game evolved, bro. The game is growing into something else. That's just what it is. I hold the record for this time.

[Joe Budden]

Mel Garry got 23 sacks and I mean 23 sacks. And in 437 snaps that's impressive less than TJ Watt who did it at 616 snaps and Michael Strahan who did it at 567 snaps.

[Queens Flip]

Well, there you go. Sacks per snap.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about the weeks that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Record because you, you could have had more snaps, more snaps in the same game. Right? That's what he talking about. Just like saying with my basketball example I only took, I took fewer.

[Joe Budden]

Please, bas, please escort Mr. Hill to his vehicle, please.

[Freeze]

I thought you was going to bring up the people that saying the shouldn't count because it looked like he laid down for the sack.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't, I don't care about that. People lay down for everything.

[Freeze]

Yeah, cuz somebody about to break a scoring record.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm saying people be ready to break a scoring record. Defenses move out the way.

[Freeze]

Laid down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For Straigh to get the record.

[Queens Flip]

And Joe Burrow's fed up over there a little bit so he's not going to get blasted by word.

[Freeze]

I've been getting up all year. He said, he said it ahead of time. Yo become a up if I if taking a sack is a smart play, I'm gonna take the sack. Yeah, I don't give a about that record.

[Joe Budden]

You know he's the man. Cuz they really did stop the game so they could celebrate him breaking that record.

[Queens Flip]

I like when they do that.

[Freeze]

He's well like you saying Jamar Chase.

[Joe Budden]

And everybody they was. They was tight.

[Freeze]

He was tight but he had point. Oh he did.

[Joe Budden]

Yes he did. Don't no don't stop my game. What are you talking about?

[Freeze]

Nah, that we've seen it before but.

[Queens Flip]

I don't know about for a season record. Like they did a whole thing for.

[Freeze]

Drew Brees all time record. Something like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You stop a game for all time record record.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

We on offense.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Get your sack.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get back in again.

[Freeze]

If a well liked it proves that he's well liked in my opinion. Like it proves that the the NFL appreciates him and n with him even on the other side but. And that ain't no easy record to break. Like it ain't like you could just do that at the fly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gets easier if you give me another game.

[Freeze]

Well, somebody else. Somebody else should have did it then.

[Joe Budden]

What do you guys think about this Netflix After Dark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that idea.

[Ish]

What's going on?

[Joe Budden]

What's going on there? Yeah, this one. I don't know what it's going to be. I don't know what it's going to be.

[Ish]

Cool with Netflix.

[Joe Budden]

Netflix after.

[Ish]

That's your new deal.

[Joe Budden]

Netflix After Dark sound is probably going to be like what it sounds like, which is the freaky After Dark on Netflix. And yo, and they're on Netflix.

[Freeze]

Go get Spices catalog.

[Ish]

That's Crazy Spice.

[Joe Budden]

Nice.

[Freeze]

All that hairy box. I was jerking off to the line.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah, there go a nipple.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get a clear picture like every 20 minutes. Yeah, I see what that is.

[Freeze]

It's a nipple.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On the day off of school, man, that driver be filled with them stiff ass towels.

[Freeze]

The fuck them towels.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so we have two people excited about it.

[Ish]

I mean, they excited about the old nigga. The old porn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm excited about birthday. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I'm not excited about what it could be. And I'll tell you the only reason why I love Netflix. Great company. But if they start moving into the pornhub territory or they start moving to these other porn territories, I just don't want a monopoly. I don't want one company to have everything.

[Joe Budden]

That's all.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So, like, I want them to get porn too. People should have to go to somewhere else to get their porn.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Freeze]

If I bought it?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because I don't want one company having everything.

[Queens Flip]

You don't want your wife going into your Netflix porn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's just keep.

[Queens Flip]

That's what it is.

[Freeze]

When she was over there searching recent searches.

[Ish]

You like some freaky.

[Freeze]

That's all you trying to hide. You ain't fooling nobody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Watch porn.

[Ish]

I know you don't watch porn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not at all.

[Freeze]

Know I. I know. Watch a Libra. You watch a librarian porn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All porn is librarian porn. Nationalist porn.

[Ish]

I had a dream porn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I had a wet dream.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, come on, come on.

[Freeze]

Walk to the back of the bus. Come on.

[Ish]

The back of the. He be like, you're going the back of the bus.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Freeze]

That's hilarious.

[Queens Flip]

Yo, Flip. Did you just say the back of the Bang Bus? That's fucking crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's absolutely inappropriate.

[Ish]

I know about Bang Bros too. In Bang Bus. I know about.

[Freeze]

That is crazy.

[Queens Flip]

I've watched it.

[Freeze]

You said do part.

[Ish]

They went the only fans.

[Joe Budden]

Dude okay, so you guys are really excited about Netflix.

[Ish]

You excited?

[Freeze]

It's two conversations. The business conversation is if they start to. No pun intended, swallow up all of the little. You know what I mean? Late night. It does create a problem for. They going to pay. Yeah, I'm not mad at you.

[Ish]

The late night shit is going to have a great payday. Whatever they pay, bro, for.

[Freeze]

For anybody that's out here making business moves. And if they paying a fair price for some or overpaying for a vision that they see. I'm not mad at it, bro. It's what Fox did. Remember? He was overpaying for all the. That he was acquiring. Like, yo, dog, I'm not. That was his vision and he saw it through and it worked. So I'm not mad at him for that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I kind of agree with Mark, too.

[Ish]

A little bit, you know, because I read an article.

[Joe Budden]

What did Mark say? Him up.

[Ish]

I break your shades, yo. I agree with Mark when he said he. Yeah, yeah. I agree with Mark when he said he doesn't want one company. Don't give me that look. Done to own everything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That look you gave me.

[Ish]

You gave me the look before. You gave me one day a week. Don't give me that look.

[Freeze]

Yo, what's wrong? Y. This is the most eas. Tell me why.

[Ish]

As far as what he said. No, I understand it because when Netflix. When I read something that Netflix. We know Netflix is trying to acquire Warner, right? And it stated that it. It wants the movies to be in theaters for only 17 days. I didn't like that.

[Freeze]

I don't like that either.

[Ish]

I didn't like that. I'm like, come on.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Ish]

Like now y' all trying to change. It's too much control. So I understand what Marcus saying. It's too much control. You know what I mean? They trying to, like, change how we experience movie theater.

[Joe Budden]

That would. That's a huge problem them if you not fly with them. Y' all are raising some really valid points.

[Freeze]

People on the outside of the bubble, people outside the conference room. What my man call circle of trust. Look, people outside the circle of trust, outside of them. Conference calls. Circle of trust.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You know, it's funny, though. I'm positive being and got conversations from 2017 that say, why wouldn't Netflix get into podcasting and porn? Now I get it that there's levels and steps that you got to go through as a company, as a business to be able to do that, but it was only a matter of time. Somebody see all the Money that only fans is.

[Freeze]

Is making been on the wall look.

[Joe Budden]

Real to know porn, period.

[Freeze]

Porn been a billion dollar industry long before only fans.

[Joe Budden]

So look how much me and you gave to it.

[Freeze]

Oh, to porn.

[Queens Flip]

He said he jerk for free.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I. I don't pay.

[Ish]

He's stand up a jerk. Remember, he can watch the wind. Oh, damn. Look. Look at the breeze outside.

[Joe Budden]

That's when he. That's when he walked. That's when he walked.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The breeze look good. That's when he.

[Joe Budden]

That's when he walked to the car, putting and negotiating his bathroom.

[Freeze]

Still got the product right?

[Joe Budden]

Hey man, when is when possible pop the trunk anyway.

[Freeze]

But if you look at it, even it was billions of dollars in mobile gaming, guess what? Netflix did that. Like they jumped into the mobile gaming space like they watching it. So yeah, billions of dollars in porn. It's only right. Or even if it ain't full out porn, erotic content, whatever. Netflix and chills take on a whole new meaning now.

[Joe Budden]

This is where the uproar is gonna come.

[Ish]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

We gonna open up Netflix After Dark and see who's after darkin'. We gonna see who we gonna go see.

[Freeze]

We gonna go see who's up there.

[Joe Budden]

Like, oh man, my boy is gonna start seeing outraged. You think there's not gonna be outraged? Are you crazy? Nah, let us turn on Netflix After Dark.

[Queens Flip]

See nothing but white ass.

[Joe Budden]

Y. Yeah, you can't put your white ass.

[Freeze]

Can't they.

[Joe Budden]

You think that going to be on there beating off to some AI?

[Freeze]

It ain't going to be white ass. They going to split that. Trust me, a lot of them want to see.

[Joe Budden]

Look at you for the Asian ass again? No, no, the disabled Asians.

[Freeze]

My category is my category.

[Ish]

You know how they look.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you don't think you're too strong.

[Freeze]

For that now for the disabled girls you like? I'm not.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, yeah, that's why he's doing it.

[Joe Budden]

You broken up. You bulking up, fam.

[Freeze]

I'm chilling.

[Joe Budden]

You gonna pick the old wheelchair up on short.

[Ish]

Let me show you what I do. Oh, Denzel.

[Freeze]

You so strong.

[Ish]

You so waiting day.

[Freeze]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so everyone here is in support of Netflix After Dark. That is wonderful to know. Come on, we killing these things today.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Except me. Except me.

[Freeze]

Mark ain't with it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, except Mark. Yeah, I know Mark. I catch you on the likes too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What makes Joe trash? What makes Joe trash is he doesn't just see your like, he circles it, screenshots, and then texts it to you.

[Freeze]

Put an eyeball being them.

[Joe Budden]

Shit, I just gotta let you know when I see you when I bump into niggas out there. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the likes I like are just colleagues. It's never like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that. No, that's a fact.

[Freeze]

Oh boy, you lucky my fucking phone, cuz. Now I've been screenshotting your. You lucky my phone did. I've been screenshotting your all weekend, Joe.

[Ish]

Yes, we know that already.

[Joe Budden]

You'll see my deal when I'm supporting somebody.

[Freeze]

I know, I know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like a colleague. Like a colleague.

[Queens Flip]

Content creators.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Freeze]

Or something from Kenya. I didn't know you were so well traveled.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He love that shit.

[Joe Budden]

I tried to tell you, stupid. We stopped talking for a little while, so.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I know EYL was buying houses in Africa. I ain't know he was over there with him.

[Ish]

Is that what they doing over there?

[Freeze]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

They over there buying houses. Go ahead. Oh, they building.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to them.

[Joe Budden]

You and Ish, keep your nose around something, boy. You too. I can't say, but here's a profiling. The things that you and Corey know about together.

[Freeze]

Things that generate income.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, for sure. Oh, for sure. Oh, no, that's a fact.

[Freeze]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

It got to generate some income. Oh, man. What are you talking about? Oh, the se like Flip just mentioned 17 days in theaters. Ice likes that.

[Freeze]

I like it. I hate it.

[Ish]

I hate it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

I think lick your lips on them first.

[Freeze]

I think. I think going to the movies is an experience.

[Ish]

The experience.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Take a li list before everything. It's over.

[Freeze]

Going to. Going to the movies is an experience.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Freeze]

I think you're just killing a whole industry. Like, I think the economy is already up, so we need to slow that up as opposed to pressing the gas on it. What do you say to the person that says. I'm talking about just a regular person that says, yo, going to the movies is also super expensive today. And I would prefer to be able to watch this movie at home without it costing me an arm and a leg just to go watch a flip, man. Because all that is up everything from.

[Queens Flip]

Personally indifferent about this because I'm gonna go to the movies regardless. And if it's the 17 day, it'll probably be in the first 17 days. And if not, I'm sure movie theaters will still have the. If it's a hit.

[Freeze]

But you can still afterwards.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, you can still go see it afterwards.

[Freeze]

To your point. And I'll say that the movie's still coming to Netflix or the Movie's still gonna be digital. It's just gonna extend the time in. Which is digital. Yeah, but people be wanting to see some of this shit, like go to the movies. Then my nigga and I'm. It's another. You can still, like park said a lot of us.

[Joe Budden]

You got two weeks.

[Freeze]

You can still go to the movies.

[Joe Budden]

I want to be in bed. Butt. Ass. With the boat in mind.

[Freeze]

I want to pause this to go take a piss.

[Joe Budden]

I want to uber eat some shrimp tacos, put it on a little breakfast.

[Freeze]

In bed tray, get in her and have to go back and pick up where we was at.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. You heard what Freeze said.

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, I disagree. I'm telling you, you ain't laying nothing down.

[Joe Budden]

You up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They.

[Freeze]

They guide every. Under the. Under the guise of. I mean, presenting under the guise of convenience. And it's really not convenience. It's control. So when you start doing that, it don't stop.

[Ish]

Let's go Conspiracy.

[Joe Budden]

When last time you been in the movies talking all this? Let me.

[Freeze]

I was going on Saturday, but I didn't go.

[Joe Budden]

Forest Gump or some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I go to the movies.

[Freeze]

It wasn't that long ago. The Matrix one. Give me.

[Ish]

Give me.

[Joe Budden]

What recent movie that you went to? The movie.

[Freeze]

A recent movie I saw was. No, the John Wick girl movie. Ballerina.

[Joe Budden]

I saw Ballerina.

[Freeze]

Ballerina. I saw that in the movie. Oh, like two years ago, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, that was much longer than that.

[Freeze]

Ballerina. I got to see what, not two weeks ago. Oh, I said two years ago.

[Joe Budden]

Two years. Oh, yeah.

[Freeze]

That was like five, six months ago. It wasn't that long.

[Joe Budden]

Did your girl. Your girl like that? Yeah, it's cool. I see what you did there.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I see what he did there, too, too.

[Joe Budden]

Ballerina. Now, the movies is one of them joints. Even if you cheating, it can't be a cheat date no more, man.

[Freeze]

Ballerina was in theaters June 7, 2024. Are y' all talking about. I told you that.

[Joe Budden]

You said two years ago when you.

[Freeze]

It wasn't two years ago.

[Queens Flip]

It was almost two years ago.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it was 14 months ago.

[Freeze]

Whatever, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's recent.

[Ish]

Yeah, you went. So you went. That's the last movie.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The last he saw.

[Freeze]

He saw saying, yo, give me. I saw center. Sentence was after that.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Freeze]

Yeah, okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Sentence was last year.

[Joe Budden]

This is way after that again.

[Freeze]

I don't know. You said, give me a movie.

[Ish]

You've been so blurry, you don't remember white.

[Joe Budden]

It's all a blur.

[Freeze]

You can't forget it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ballerina.

[Freeze]

You got them tattooed on your chest and it's gone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got the white people going.

[Freeze]

White people ain't going.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you just gonna erase the white people? Are you gonna cover their faces up with black people?

[Freeze]

I'm putting.

[Ish]

I'm putting.

[Freeze]

Not doing nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Which one?

[Ish]

Malcolm X like like Marcus Garvey. Bob Marley putting Queen Web Nitty 50 Supreme Capo. Oh yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Quick. Alpo supreme son.

[Ish]

Crazy with me.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry. He a like that show Fat cat.

[Ish]

Look at the. Look at the that can't go outside. Look. Look how y talk. Look at the niggas that can't go outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Talk to you in this.

[Joe Budden]

You know you know better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know that you know better.

[Ish]

I thought I did.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You do.

[Ish]

I thought I do. I thought I did.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Ish]

See you be ass better now. Look at you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Man.

[Ish]

I thought I thought I knew better. You had me at hello.

[Freeze]

I don't. I don't ask.

[Ish]

You had me. Yo what I love I love you.

[Freeze]

Oh man crazy.

[Ish]

So you but real quick sorry. You like the movie experience dojo.

[Joe Budden]

That's your I'm going to always always.

[Freeze]

Go to the movies until they're Joe the only I know that go to the movies to walk out but fam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S five that is the crazy part of his experience.

[Joe Budden]

I'm always go to the movie I got in the movies to see old movies.

[Freeze]

But that's the thing. You're not gonna be able to do it soon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did that with the guy he.

[Freeze]

Said this is the beginning of the you're not gonna be able to do it soon. When it's if the 7 I pick is private own I know so if the 17 day works I pick it's going out of business.

[Joe Budden]

No that's not true.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree with that. I don't. I don't. I don't see it.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I don't. I don't see movie theaters going out of business.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think they're gonna be more boutique though items like. Like records or holding on by a.

[Freeze]

Thread now movie theaters are holding on.

[Ish]

By not with the 4 dx experience and like that that's soaring. The with the chairs is moving and it's.

[Freeze]

How many of those are there? A lot now it ain't a lot.

[Queens Flip]

A lot now there's a lot and there's my is regal or whatever. It's not even no fancy but they redid the whole with recliners. They got alcohol there now they're.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They're like the movie tavern model Regal.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

The one on you. The one on you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go a lot of movie theaters? You go a lot of. You see movies a lot.

[Joe Budden]

No, for real. No, because if you a moviegoer. Yeah. In some hoods that. Regal Cinemas. Sorry, sorry, buddy. Hey.

[Ish]

Amc.

[Joe Budden]

And don't let it be a movie the hood wanted to see.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. You ain't gonna be able to enjoy yourself there for a few weeks.

[Ish]

Yo, that bitch smack that, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, there you go.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, I like that. I like being a little bit annoying in movie theaters. I'm okay with that.

[Joe Budden]

You like that?

[Queens Flip]

Oh, hell no.

[Freeze]

You said what?

[Queens Flip]

I like being a little bit annoying in the movie theater.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Annoying.

[Joe Budden]

Annoying.

[Freeze]

Sit your tall white ass down.

[Queens Flip]

Me and REM Are going to to eat an edible or maybe sneak some Hennessy in and mix it with our Coke and popcorn and we might talk throughout the entire.

[Freeze]

Like you said, what happened when somebody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Say, yo, yo, shut the up.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I'm going to shut up for.

[Queens Flip]

A minute, but I'm. Exactly.

[Freeze]

Hey, yo, curly head. Shut the up, B.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah. N. That ain't going to happen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, That's. That's not going.

[Joe Budden]

That's not going to something, dude. Depending on what the vibe of the movie is. And then where you get the heckling?

[Freeze]

What?

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying something to you. The movie theater is a place I'm down to step outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't step outside the movie theater.

[Freeze]

They jump right there, right in, right there, right there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you talking about, like Green Acres.

[Ish]

You talking about Magic Johnson in Brooklyn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's the only time that ever happened. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

In Jersey we have class. Step outside.

[Ish]

Watch him out.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not talking about. About where y' all be at. Y' all don't be nowhere. There's some class. Anyway, go, go, moviegoers.

[Freeze]

I'm always on movie outside of Sville when that was open.

[Joe Budden]

See, even that. Y' all be in Sville.

[Freeze]

I don't know why you was in S. You knew the movie theater down there. I don't know. It ain't there no more.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, I do know that movie there. The big.

[Freeze]

The multi.

[Joe Budden]

This little multiplex that used to be over here. I'm so mad. They knocked it down. So my hall of Fame pictures.

[Queens Flip]

Dana sh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

What? Oh, yeah, right here.

[Joe Budden]

A Hall of Fame, Joe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's your point, though, Plex.

[Freeze]

What's wrong with you?

[Joe Budden]

Ishplex. How could that be? If I was going in.

[Freeze]

JoJo.

[Joe Budden]

Named it Ishplex. If he said Like Joe and Ishplex?

[Ish]

Nah, but he was moving.

[Joe Budden]

He said ishplex.

[Ish]

He was moving before he knew you ain't.

[Freeze]

What that got to do with you?

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't living in the area.

[Freeze]

He was.

[Joe Budden]

He was driving it. Oh, driving it.

[Freeze]

I was driving them into.

[Joe Budden]

You was driving it?

[Freeze]

I was driving them into.

[Joe Budden]

Well, well, how would you get there if you didn't live there? You was driving them in from far, 40 minutes away. No, like I'm talking about being next door neighbors with it.

[Ish]

It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about matinee fun. I'm talking about me too. Okay? It's not like you my son.

[Ish]

Yo, hey, don't let.

[Joe Budden]

All right. What categories you admit to being my son in?

[Freeze]

None. Oh, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that closes that.

[Freeze]

What you better than me in of spades. You better than me in spades.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go.

[Freeze]

You can pod. You can play spades better than me.

[Ish]

2 out of 30.

[Freeze]

That stops right there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now what do you do better than.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold up, Mar. Let me get my 1v1 for a little bit before you pop in. What you say? What? So you said podito, though, not Monopoly. In this topic, you don't believe everything she say.

[Freeze]

Oh, yo, this dirty.

[Joe Budden]

What you about to say?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you about to say?

[Ish]

Put it down. Better than you.

[Joe Budden]

It's some cheese. We can call. First of all, if you could call somebody. I certainly don't want to speak to them. I'm in love.

[Ish]

Don't back out like that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't even know they still have phones. Whoever we talking about? Look at you. Keep in touch Gary over there. It's going to keep in touch with something.

[Ish]

Was I better?

[Freeze]

Yo, this said he better.

[Joe Budden]

Some light skin to ask, right? Like that. Who was better? Oh, is Amani in N?

[Freeze]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, stupid. I was just asking if he was here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What else?

[Ish]

You keep trying to avoid the topic, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What topic?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Trump, come on, let's go. Let's do it.

[Freeze]

Let's do Mark about hell.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm so glad Mark not always gonna be mad at me.

[Joe Budden]

We're having fun and he start talking about Trump. No, we can do it. It's important. It is important.

[Queens Flip]

It is important.

[Joe Budden]

Very important.

[Freeze]

Please take it away.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

About to talk about Jamal Bryan's word in that clear dress.

[Joe Budden]

What about it?

[Ish]

I didn't see.

[Freeze]

Did you see it?

[Joe Budden]

A cold grid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I just read the. I'm not doing that. That's somebody's wife.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's somebody's wife. I mean, she wore a sheer.

[Joe Budden]

But it was nude underneath. She wasn't nude. It was nude.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't see the. I didn't look at the picture. I didn't feel comfortable. I just only read the text. Oh, Ish.

[Joe Budden]

What's wrong? Ish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish. Did you see it?

[Joe Budden]

What's wrong, my brother?

[Freeze]

A little spasm in my arm.

[Joe Budden]

I bet you do.

[Freeze]

A little spasm in my ar.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Spice injury.

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Attacking Donnie McLurlin now he about to get. Get to the bottom with a Dr. Jamal Bryant dress tee.

[Freeze]

No, it's another pastor that did a very good assessment.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, no, one of them didn't because bishop Patrick Wooden said that she was not classy and that she caught her actually a $2 hoe.

[Freeze]

He didn't call her a $2.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Who did that?

[Freeze]

Him. He. He fixed it. He said. I'm not calling her a $2 hole. I'm saying that her husband purchased a dress that had her looking like a $2.

[Queens Flip]

Why did he have to buy the dress?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is what we call a dress.

[Freeze]

He said he bought it. He bragged about I bought the dress. Like I'm the one that bought the dress.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So. And here's what you gotta.

[Freeze]

I don't got one. Pass it over there.

[Joe Budden]

They got it.

[Ish]

She. Look, I don't understand what.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I don't see the problem.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand.

[Freeze]

The issue is that he's a pastor.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's in the first lady of a church. Shouldn't look like that.

[Ish]

We not back in the 50s, boy. No, he's not. Hold up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We just had what's name here. I just.

[Queens Flip]

Say it to me.

[Ish]

Explain it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mark In.

[Freeze]

In the Christian church, especially my. You're not supposed to be trying to invoke lust or lust feelings.

[Ish]

Listen, they said that the Catholics said. Catholic. The Catholics just told me. The Christian church.

[Freeze]

They.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They just told me.

[Ish]

All right, so let's not. No disrespect. I'm a seven day Adventist.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not playing.

[Ish]

I'm just saying. What?

[Freeze]

Yeah, you're a seven day avenger.

[Ish]

Yes, Aventur.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's exactly what it is.

[Joe Budden]

It's the Hulk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Every. Every day.

[Joe Budden]

Smash the mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No day off.

[Ish]

Strike.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Strike two.

[Ish]

Your man saved you earlier.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want no problems.

[Ish]

Your man saved you.

[Joe Budden]

Do we have a clear process?

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I do.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. We. No, enough now. People don't even know what the y'. All.

[Queens Flip]

Here we go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is Jamal Bryant defending his wife's Dress after other people said that he had his wife looking like a $2 hoe.

[Freeze]

I needed to get this straight. I needed to deal with it head on, no dynamite. The other day, the Internet went crazy about a dress my wife had on. Now, they didn't say anything about the $4 million that was raised to the United Negro College Fund. They never mentioned that she prayed until heaven came down. They never said anything about. This was the largest fundraiser for United Net hbcus in the country. But insecure, jealous, petty, small winded. People got in their feelings and set up a false barometer of holiness.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord.

[Freeze]

Based off of a dress. Now, you got to help some people because some people have embraced the full knowledge of ignorance without. Without any assistance for understanding. The dress was not see through. The dress was flesh color. But because you ain't never been nowhere.

[Ish]

And ain't never been exposed to nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got y' all broke.

[Freeze]

Yeah, he did. Bum ass. I needed to set the record straight. Y' all don't like this. I need to set the record straight. I bought the dress.

[Queens Flip]

That was the punchline.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the first. And I like it.

[Freeze]

I don't care whether you like it or not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She ain't mad to y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Ish]

She married to me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's actually one last part you might wanna hear.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that where it cut off?

[Queens Flip]

That's where it cut off.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, when she come home, she look how I like, how I want it. And when she wear that dress, I look at it and say, shake it fast. Then the whole crowd goes off. That's the best part. But. And I thought about that, and I thought about professionally Cheyenne Bryant. And I was thinking about the conversation we had professionally about Cheyenne Bryant and her outfit. And I wonder if y' all felt differently about this. Cause there's a. Cause some.

[Freeze]

I'm 100% with him.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause some people were like, she shouldn't do. She should be able to wear what she want. Other people were like, you know, you have a certain job, but as. Do you want your preacher's wife? Do you want your pastor's wife to walk up in the sanctuary like that?

[Freeze]

First off, like he said, I mean, I looked at the dress. I just saw it for the first time. I didn't see a problem with it. I'm like, it's not see through. Like, the way they was explained to me was like, she had some see through shit on it. You could see like, I think Cheyenne Bryant dress was worse than this. So I don't see the problem. With this. This is. I'm with it. I don't see a problem.

[Ish]

Ish.

[Freeze]

Anybody else?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you watched the video for research.

[Freeze]

I'm waiting to see if anybody else got a take.

[Joe Budden]

I saw some people killing him for holding the church hostage over some selfish shit or some. Holding the pulpit hostage while people coming here to hear the good word of the Lord. And you up there talking about some Internet shit and your wife. And while that's a fair point, I gotta say, I really love when I go to church on Sunday and the pastors start talking about some shit from the Internet. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Maybe I need to grow up a little bit. I would have really enjoyed that. I see what they've been saying online.

[Ish]

I hear the rumble.

[Joe Budden]

I love somebody attacking something head on from the pulpit with the garba.

[Freeze]

And this is me. This is my life y' all talking about. If it's him, it ain't like just some y' all talk about some other shit over there. He going to gossip about the new. Y' all talking about him and his wife.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I think there's a word in there.

[Freeze]

He know the word is going through the church. I know what y' all saying. So, yeah, let me address you niggas right now.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with Ice. I think that Cheyenne Bryant's dress was a hell of a lot worse. Also. I don't know enough about this. His white. I don't know enough about Jamal Bryant's wife. I don't know what she preaches. I don't know if she's.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just follow her on Instagram voice.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just so you familiarize yourself, I'm a relentless journalist.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Freeze]

In the name of the game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, man, shout out to her.

[Joe Budden]

But also my take my stance is my stance. Like you have to be prepared for. If you know that you're the pastor's wife and you putting this dress on, then you have to be prepared for the congregation to say some shit. Scrutiny. Now, I ain't about to say too much. Cause whatever, Doc, I'm watching on hbo. Max, about that pastor lady. That's from the reality show the Real Housewives. The Utah one who married her step grandfather. What? So, I mean, what do you want me to say about Dr. I mean, Pastor Jamal Bryant's wife, Dr.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Carrie Bryant, by the way, is her name.

[Freeze]

I don't watch. Pardon me, I've never seen them.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Freeze]

I don't. I've never seen them. However, I've grown up in a Pentecostal Church. I've grown up around Christian churches my whole entire life. And it is anti to what some Christian churches preach especially. I can't speak to them per se because I've never watched them, however, lust and all of those things. And when you wear a nudish because you're given the illusion of being nude underneath. That's the whole premise behind flesh color, right. And sequins. So. So you are giving the illusion of that. And so I think that if that's the message that they preach in the pulpit, which I don't know, keep in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mind, it's a fairly. We talked about Eddie Long earlier. This is the. This church was Eddie Long's church. This is Newburgh. So this church did have a kind of conservative thrust, you know what I mean? When he got there.

[Freeze]

Got you. Gotcha.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So that might be part of the conversation too.

[Freeze]

Could be.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Freeze]

Just whatever happened to come as you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So see, I don't accept it is a come as.

[Freeze]

No, it is a come as you are, but you come as you are until you have better.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I ain't never heard that one, bro. Come as you are until you are. But I've never heard that.

[Freeze]

So come as you are refers to people like off the street. Don't be afraid to come to church if you off the street. Or you might not have money or you might not have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You need to be fan clothes.

[Freeze]

You don't have to do that because you could come as you are. We want to open the doors to everybody. But when you have clothing and when you got other shit, you are still going in the house of the Lord. So you're supposed to try and get fresh. You'll get fresh to go to a club. You won't get fresh to go to church.

[Ish]

I try to use that in CCC to keep my hat on. Them security guards said take your shit off and I said that same line, come as you are. They don't. They don't jacking that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Come as you are.

[Joe Budden]

See, in my church, come as you are meant more than that.

[Freeze]

It's more than physical.

[Ish]

Yeah, you are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's exactly true.

[Joe Budden]

Don't let your sins keep you away from church. If you cheated on your wife, if you want drugs, you robbed the bank last night. If you on drugs, if you sold some, just whatever sin you into just come true. Right? That's how I took it. So I didn't really think of the garden.

[Freeze]

No, no, it's both. It's both.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's both.

[Freeze]

You're Right, it is.

[Joe Budden]

But that's why I never heard comes you are until you get.

[Freeze]

Until you have better. Like when you. When you say, come as you are, like, dog, if you come in again, you come in to hear the word of God. So don't let you having raggedy clothes on stop you from coming in the house of the Lord. And then the flip to that. If I'm here, like, giving the word of God, like, if I'm dressed a certain way, do you no longer hear the message? Does the message change? No, I think that who you are and how you carry yourself definitely has a reflection on how people are viewing you. I'm just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I would say. I would say this first. I think she should be able to wear whatever she want. I have no issue with what she wears neither. So I'm not saying that I think come as you are is about two things. It's about. It's about the bigger question of, you know, the poor, the tired, you know, the center can be the center. You know what I mean? You shouldn't be away. But to your point, it also does mean, like, if I come in here and all I got on is X, if you can do better and you think there's something that honors this place more, do better when you can. But the church shouldn't be judging you. No religious institution should be judging you based on that. But I don't like the idea. But that doesn't mean, like, just come in. Like, yes, if my pastor were standing at the pulpit with nipple rings on and no shirt. Yeah. That would change how that would affect how I see the message. I mean, I don't want to be.

[Queens Flip]

Like ice once he's done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We gotta be real. Like. Like in the old school, they would say, God loves you just the way you are, but loves you too much to leave you that way.

[Freeze]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To me, that's the whole point of this. Like, keep doing better. Keep doing better. But it seemed like to me, whenever we talk about what women are wearing in church, it's always about them tempting the men. You know what I mean? It's always like, yo, you too, sexy. You're doing this, you're doing this. You're tempted. It's like, we need to have some responsibility as men for what we do in these churches, too. Like, instead of putting it on. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Just have some control.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even if you look, wear what the fuck you want to me. You know what I mean? Now, again, I wouldn't. If my wife and I went to church, I wouldn't want her to Come wearing a sheer dress or a new dress, you know what I mean? Because I don't want to tempt him. And just like you, you're not gonna wear a muscle shirt because you don't want to tempt the ladies in the church. But at some point, you know what I'm saying, we gotta make our own decisions about what it means to be tempted and not just blame the other person every time we fuck up. Or if she wasn't wearing that dress or he wasn't doing that thing, you mix it in.

[Ish]

But I get, yeah, how am I mixing it?

[Freeze]

It's a two party responsibility. I think. I think that humans are human beings and men gonna look at pretty women, men gonna look at attractive women. And if you doing something overt that's gonna draw more attention, then niggas gonna look. That's what the other pastor was saying. We. I thought we were gonna play the other pastor. He's saying, yo dawg, we men. I was a man my whole entire life. So you go and look at what a woman is presenting. If she's presenting it, she's presenting it for that reason she could.

[Queens Flip]

We gonna see something in a sweatsuit and know that it's there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now if you got look no matter what.

[Freeze]

But now if you got on a mini skirt, what's gonna happen if. If your butt cheeks are showing up? Not saying that. That is her. Well, I'm giving you an example. We gonna look at a sweatsuit. We also gonna look at a potential.

[Joe Budden]

I can't wait till some music come out. I tell you that one. When these are when this break is over. I can't wait to hear is the music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Speaking of new music, Bruno Mars announced the album is actually done. Hey, I'm looking forward to this.

[Freeze]

Thank God solo album, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Solo album. Yep.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

For him by itself will change.

[Freeze]

That's what I need.

[Ish]

Nice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What? What's that?

[Joe Budden]

You better get them mobsters. They money only so long. He's going to be able to be quiet. Hey buddy, this some of them are some of them.

[Ish]

Some of 24.

[Freeze]

You on tour again? My like, what's the name?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, one one plus one.

[Queens Flip]

Worldwide.

[Freeze]

Worldwide, of course, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Worldwide, yeah.

[Freeze]

Running back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no for sure. I need all of that. Mr. Mars. They ain't even calling that Bruno no more. What's his name? What's his real name? Jeff.

[Freeze]

You gonna be going to Mars you.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, what's Bruno Mars real name? Watch it. Really be Bruno Mars.

[Queens Flip]

I don't think it is. It is Peter Hernandez. Peter Gene Hernandez.

[Freeze]

Peter Eugene.

[Joe Budden]

Basketball over there.

[Queens Flip]

Peter Jean.

[Joe Budden]

Bruno Mars's name is Peter.

[Queens Flip]

Peter Jean.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Peter Jean.

[Queens Flip]

Pg.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Freeze]

Peter Eugene.

[Queens Flip]

Her name.

[Joe Budden]

Happy to have a Puerto Rican app, buddy. Shut up. Ain't nobody asked you if he was Puerto Rican. And he said.

[Freeze]

He said he changed his name to Bruno Mars to avoid being pushed into Latin music.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's why y. Bruno Mars.

[Ish]

Oh, yo, yo.

[Joe Budden]

In the music business, get anything off. We getting anything off. All right. That's why you did it, buddy. We got it. Well, I'm really excited to hear some Bruno Mars music.

[Queens Flip]

If I would have saw Peter Jean on the CD cover, I wouldn't have thought I'm hitting the bata tonight.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

That's a lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you're not that.

[Freeze]

It's just Peter G until you heard it.

[Joe Budden]

Right. I'm excited.

[Freeze]

I don't give a what your name is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even care if the album isn't good. And I think it will be. I just love watching him perform. So him on tour is going to be amazing.

[Freeze]

Yeah, he's one of them.

[Queens Flip]

I'm curious what sound he's going to go for.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the other thing. You've seen him live? Yeah, only on. Only on.

[Freeze]

You never seen him live?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not in person. I've watched, like, videos of the performances.

[Freeze]

Like, I watched concert videos on do it Top five amazing, easy. Maybe top three.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Like Beyonce level.

[Freeze]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Show, show.

[Freeze]

His show is Amazing, bro. That 24 Karat Magic World Tour is. Is arguably one of the best shows I've ever seen.

[Joe Budden]

Ever. Wow. Maybe I'm growing apart from y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I can't figure it out. Ch said Bruno Mars, performance wise is top three, like, in the Beyonce ballpark. And y' all saying yes? I'm not saying no. I'm just asking.

[Freeze]

I'm saying Ronald Mars is one of the best shows I've ever been to in my life entirely.

[Joe Budden]

But you've been live.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He been live. He been.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Live.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I went live.

[Freeze]

I went twice to the 24 Karat World Tour. That is next level. My I'm dead ass.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So for who that etch line. Beyonce is Chris. I'm sure Chris Brown is in there.

[Freeze]

Chris is up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's in that. That's all like this fat transfer for you.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Ish]

Yeah. You saw Bruno live before?

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't fucking remember. I don't think I am.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I have.

[Queens Flip]

I've never seen him live.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

But I would definitely go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I will this time.

[Freeze]

Maybe that'll be one of my outings. If he drop. If he announces a show, I have to be there. It's certain people that. Because I know what you do at a show. He's up there.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Freeze]

Yes, it's up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Yeah, I seen concert videos.

[Joe Budden]

I got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was fire.

[Joe Budden]

Just so I could see the mobsters on the side of Yo.

[Freeze]

Encore. Encore.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I just. I want to see them with the. The cane and the poly.

[Freeze]

Them over there.

[Queens Flip]

I said do grenade.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, I'm excited about it. Go Bruno. I want to hear what in debt Bruno Mars sounds like. Yo, and I'm talking. I don't know if any of that stuff is true. Yeah, I don't know if any of that stuff is true. It is a funny trophy, but it's a funny lie.

[Freeze]

It's funny if it ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Even if it ain't true, true. You got to pay them. Pay up. Yeah, because I can see Bruno at the Pete. Pete is exactly the name of the guy at the poker table that we assume got a lot of money and want to keep on playing because he's drunk. And now we.

[Freeze]

Now we got him.

[Joe Budden]

Look at him now. He there all night long asking the hotel to give me a room.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give me a room. You know I'm good for.

[Freeze]

Oh, no, we got you.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, buddy. You got you, playboy. You understood.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Rest.

[Queens Flip]

Ain't no rest.

[Freeze]

I want to mark a five more million.

[Ish]

I just saw a clip where a man who lost all his life savings on the table was on the table in the casino throwing in the air.

[Freeze]

How long that last? How long that clip last of him throwing in the air?

[Ish]

I don't know, like. Like 30 seconds.

[Freeze]

This quick.

[Queens Flip]

Did they show you what happened afterwards?

[Freeze]

No, no, they didn't show him. Get earth slam on a roulette table.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was.

[Freeze]

Only one black that on white.

[Joe Budden]

Also, Ari Lennox is later this month.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, January 23rd.

[Joe Budden]

Later this month. Vacancy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Vacancy. I'm excited about that. The single came out yesterday. Did you like it?

[Joe Budden]

The single?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was cute. I liked it better than Soft Girl Era, which I liked, but I thought I liked this one a lot. And this is also produced by Brian Michael Cox. And I like the song Vacant.

[Freeze]

See?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

So we get JILL February.

[Joe Budden]

Jill, February 13th.

[Freeze]

Jill Scott, to whom this may concern.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

[Joe Budden]

That Jill I got high expectations for.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like the first. Did you hear the first single? Beautiful.

[Queens Flip]

It's beautiful. Beautiful People, I believe is what it's called.

[Joe Budden]

I Didn't. I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard any music.

[Freeze]

A little bit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's listen to it right now.

[Freeze]

That's the part for me anyway. This gonna be a start to finisher. You want people when you come out, you're gonna listen to everything, every single word. And everybody's gonna know when you get to the first show after this drop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They gonna be singing right along, feeling every word.

[Joe Budden]

I'm excited for it.

[Freeze]

I. I'm excited for it for you. It's gonna be good to see my people.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't a happenstance oh, where are you? I love this continual.

[Ish]

Mark.

[Queens Flip]

Don't you go nowhere.

[Joe Budden]

No pee on yourself.

[Ish]

States in every space it fills the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Place Beautiful people my beautiful.

[Freeze]

Beautiful, beautiful.

[Ish]

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful I like beautiful. I like it.

[Queens Flip]

It is beautiful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Mark your thoughts.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it was an amazing first single. 21 tracks on the album. I believe the album art is stunning. It looked like a kind of a. Almost bascatish a little bit. There was some other stuff on the album cover that I thought was beautiful.

[Queens Flip]

Nibbles?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not yet. I think that's the deluxe edition.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But the song I love, I thought this is a great first single. Shout out to Jill, my sister loved it since she was on Hidden beach back in the day. I thought this amazing first single really set the tone for the album. I'm proud of her and can't wait to see the rest of it, man. I already bought it and can't wait to listen to all of it.

[Queens Flip]

Likewise.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I can't wait to hear the project. But Jill, you know what I'm waiting for on that album? I'm all for beautiful people and go us my people and no people. But you know the joints I'm waiting for. She already know you know what you're gonna do don't try to hide that side of you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, come on.

[Joe Budden]

Put it. Put it in the song. As the sky is blue. As the sky is blue it's gonna be on there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And that is what I'm waiting to hear. So I look forward to it. Listen, I'm from the old school, nigga. I still fuck to some music on sometimes. Jill's a good artist and I appreciate artists that make music for fucking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fucking that.

[Joe Budden]

I saw a clip floating around recently of. I guess Jodeci was performing at somebody's. Somebody's private party that they had 50th or something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

50Th?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Had the gold jackets on there.

[Freeze]

It was all four members stole Your flow. Yeah, I inspire out here, man. Told you I'm on some. No doubt.

[Joe Budden]

Them. Them. Those brothers and their set list. What a joy it must have been to be in that crowd. Like to hear Jodeci singles and B side.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. That's fire in a private setting. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. You know. No, that's fine.

[Freeze]

They got them too.

[Joe Budden]

And that's that crowd that you want singing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's who you want.

[Freeze]

50 and up those.

[Joe Budden]

Those that was there. Yeah. No, I still appreciate that. All Jodeci music you can to.

[Freeze]

Damn sure good. A lot of.

[Queens Flip]

Most of it is.

[Freeze]

A lot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's when a good black group would do it for you. But the erasure of us and what they did turned us into white boy bands. But I don't want to depress us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who do y' all want? I was listening to this. That's that song out they sampled Set Adrift by PM Dawn. Set adrift from memory bliss. Anyway, it came out and so all the last week on the Internet, it's been trending. Set adrift. All these new generation of kids are like, discovering set adrift for the first time, and they fall in love with the song. And I was like, I mean, obviously I love that song. And I'm so glad that the new generation and people is discovering it. Like, who else would y'. All. From our childhood, from our growing up, do y' all wish, like, this next generation would discover while we on this?

[Joe Budden]

They. They. Cause I saw that clip floating around as well. That clip is getting a whole bunch of young people to say fuck KRS more.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's looking at it different now.

[Joe Budden]

Did you see some of the comments?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

KRS didn't have to do that to him, man.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's what a lot of the comments today are saying.

[Queens Flip]

I'm not gonna say fuck krs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I'm not saying that, but it.

[Ish]

He is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he was wrong.

[Queens Flip]

He was wrong. He was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At the time, I thought it was fire to go up there, just throw a off the stage. Now I'm like, we ain't deserve all that. Yeah. Especially do it to him, Prince. You know, I mean, like.

[Joe Budden]

This is a tough one.

[Queens Flip]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz. Hip.

[Queens Flip]

Cuz you like PM Dog.

[Ish]

Hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

No, I love PM Dog. I absolutely love PM Die without you. When I. When I. When I heard Set Adrift, and. And that's Big J Jersey, too. That's Big Jersey. PM Dawn. But when I heard, I should have.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Known when he got throw off the stage. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

PM Dawn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

But when I heard people's getting thrown off the stage set adrift. I like that song. Like, I liked it. Even with the slander guy. It got a lot of slander when it came out. That's what I'm saying. I guess it's tough to remember that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it did.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, Jersey City, too.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying. Stop playing. Yeah, that song got a lot of slander, unnecessary slander when it came out. I get it. In turn, as far as KRS and the stage thing, I mean, PM Doan did go crazy in that interview. He said a lot in that interview.

[Queens Flip]

Maybe I don't remember all the details.

[Joe Budden]

From a hip hop where if you talk greasy in an interview, niggas gonna see you. They're coming to the venue. And that's what happened.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Now, I don't think that KRS should have just put his whole target on PM do dawn, but PM dawn did go crazy in that.

[Queens Flip]

If he was talking about him, I. I'd take it back. Yeah, I don't think he got what he got.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to remember what he said. It was to me. It wasn't nothing that crazy.

[Joe Budden]

You. You can't just. You got to be careful what you say when you perform in certain venues, dog.

[Freeze]

Yeah, that's it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but I love.

[Joe Budden]

I absolutely love him, though. Rest in peace.

[Queens Flip]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Budden]

Rest. Rest in peace. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Rest in peace, Prince B.

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, I'd. I'd die without you. That's one of them. You ain't never did it on. Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was on my Boomerang soundtrack.

[Freeze]

That was on. That was on my joint, man. That was guaranteed to be on my joint.

[Joe Budden]

We super old.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

He said, KS1 wants to be a teacher, but a teacher of what.

[Joe Budden]

That might get you.

[Freeze]

Yeah, that might.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that might get you. You were cool until you did all that shit.

[Freeze]

I'm gonna teach you how to fly, nigga.

[Ish]

Where you caught him at?

[Queens Flip]

On stage in sobs.

[Ish]

He caught him.

[Joe Budden]

Caught him somewhere crazy. All right, so y' all want to have the Trump talk?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's time.

[Ish]

Yeah, please. Go, Mark. Take me to the promised land.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, we are going to talk about it.

[Queens Flip]

We are.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody, everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Flip would lead this. Like, why you just thinking. Yeah, Flip on his investigative journalism to lead things.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he's usually good with Break it down.

[Ish]

So you start under control.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should start off, and I. I'll pick.

[Ish]

No, he got it. You got it under control.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. I appreciate you. I appreciate your trust.

[Ish]

I don't want to give you A pound. But you got under control.

[Freeze]

Then you just go to the real states.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Queens Flip]

After spewing some propaganda.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. After spewing some. Yeah, I just, you know, had, you know, I went down there, though.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Did you get it cleared up?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did, I did.

[Ish]

But the people real quick and side note, you know, I said something on the podcast about what was going on in Minneapolis, and the people didn't like that. The audience thought that what I did was wrong. I used my voice wrong. So I went down there to go check it out and got some understanding. But that's not what this is about. This is about Donald Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. And this past weekend, Donald Trump made international news by authorizing strikes in Venezuela. And more importantly for the news, capturing the president of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro, and his wife. And his wife.

[Queens Flip]

And taking pictures and putting them on the Internet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Taking the pictures, put them on the Internet, bringing them to New York, where they are now making them do the perp walk. They did a full pertw. I mean, it's the wild shit. I woke up again. I was out of the country and I woke up and actually Imani hit me and was like, you know, did you hear what happened to Madoya? And I thought you. Honestly, I thought you were reading like a fake meme or one of them fake news outlets. Cause I was like, there's no way, like a president would capture another president. You know what I mean? Take photos and bring him to the country. And that's exactly what happened. And so this is crazy for a couple reasons, but just one more thing, actually. The Trump administration is arguing that Maduro's not a legitimate president and that he's the head of a narco trafficking operation who's bringing drugs into the US and that's why he's justified in capturing him and bringing him to the United States. States. This is some wild shit, because that's.

[Joe Budden]

What he's on trial for in the U.S. right? Drug trafficking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Drug trafficking.

[Joe Budden]

All right, got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The problem with this first is it is against international law to capture the heads of state of other countries and bring them into your courts for domestic charges. You can do that through international means. That's what the International Court of Justice is for. If it's wartime, that's the. The International Criminal Court is for. You can't just go around capturing people because then every time you don't like somebody's leader, you can say when they broke a law, you could just go take them. And it's just, big bank, take little bank. You can Just go around. Mike makes Right taking everybody's country over. That's why it's illegal. And the idea that Maduro is not a legitimate leader is not fair. Right? Did he win that election fair and square? Maybe not, you know what I mean? But that ain't our issue. It's not our business, it's not our problem. We ain't shit have nothing to do with the internal politics and nobody else. And this is not about order. A month ago, Donald Trump pardoned a Honduran drug trafficker. Drug lord, drug lord, Honduran. Yeah, sorry. So clearly that ain't what this is about. This is about Venezuelan oil. This is about power. This is about control. And the person that they're trumpeting as the real leader of Venezuela, Machado, she's a hardcore right wing pro Trumper. And that's what you start to see all around the world. It's all these right wing Trumps we call right wing authoritarians coming up in a whole lot of countries from Greece to Italy to Argentina to. I mean, we're going down the list, right? And so this is part of a bigger problem we see in the world. So Trump needs to be held accountable, you know, but in the United States, we're arguing about the wrong shit. We're arguing about whether he, this is a war or not. Whether he needed congressional authorization. Fuck congressional authorization. I'm saying we as the United States can't keep doing this shit. But the last thing I'll say is we can't pretend that this is new. The US has a long history of minding other people's business, of taking other people's leaders out, of putting in puppet governments, of. We just don't usually do it as blatantly as this. Yeah, but if you hide it on some other shit. Yeah. If you go to Cuba, you go to Grenada, you can look anywhere in the Middle east, you see the same shit happening. Us been doing this for a very long time, so it's dangerous. So don't act like this is some Trump shit or some Republican shit. They all do it.

[Freeze]

Got it? I agree.

[Ish]

Didn't the Biden administration put a balance on the President's head of Venezuela?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know there was a bounty in August of 2025, which was 50 million from Trump, but it wouldn't, I don't know the Biden question, so I don't want to. I can't say, but it would not shock me. It would not shock me if there was a bounty. I didn't know it was Biden, but if it was. That doesn't shock me. Biden is not above this. Biden has presided over some of the worst shit we've seen, as have Clinton ambush and Obama with drone strikes in Yemen.

[Ish]

The point I was trying to make that. So you don't think that this gentleman is an issue. You think that it's just to cover up or it's a smoke screen because we want the oil. You don't think that he did anything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He may have. But the problem is, if I say I'm gonna lock up this person because they're violating some law, then what happens when Russia says, well, Joe Biden is a war criminal? Or, you know, for what happened in this country or that country, or George Bush started a whole fucking fake war in Iraq. He's a war criminal. Let's go get him in Dick Cheney and snatch him up.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could do this with anybody. You could do it with Clinton. You could do this with anybody. And so it's a slippery slope, this idea that he's a bad guy and we can go get it. And then the US Likes to pretend like they're doing it for democracy, like we're just trying to save the people.

[Freeze]

We're trying to help their country out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. And are there Venezuelans who are happy that Machado is going?

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just like there were Iraqis who were happy that Saddam Hussein is gone. But the ends don't always justify the means. Yes, the world might be better without Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden in it, but that don't mean you get to decide that.

[Freeze]

Right, Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all. So this is getting crazy. And now Donald Trump is feeling himself. He's threatening Mexico. You know what I mean?

[Freeze]

Colombia.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Colombia. Yeah, Colombia. You know, it looks like he's widening his scope. And that's dangerous for the whole.

[Joe Budden]

Power tripping.

[Freeze]

He's bugging.

[Joe Budden]

He's power tripping.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Freeze]

I listened to his advisor the other day say that who the hell is Denmark to claim green?

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Freeze]

Greenland should be a part of the United States. Like, I think we just setting a real, real, real touchy precedent. He was saying some shit about Canada, wasn't he? Yeah, at one point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

51St state.

[Freeze]

It's scary, bro. Domination, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At the end of World War I, I don't want to get nerded out on this, but at the end of World War I, we started something called the League of Nations for a reason. The idea was that we no longer will have empires. British Empire, Rome, Ottoman Empire, Roman Empire. The idea was that now we have nations and nations or nations and eventually nation states have borders. And because back in the day, you could grow your empire just by winning.

[Ish]

The war or taking over, invading.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could invade and take it, or go to war and win the war. Now, even when you win the war, you're not allowed to take people's land.

[Ish]

No, I understand. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? It's illegal to do that. After World War II, that became even more clear. And there's all these international laws that deal with this, that make that very. The idea here is that big countries can't just take over little countries.

[Ish]

But who controlled the international laws? Who put them in play? Who's the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And how do they change?

[Freeze]

Let's say like over here, the Supreme Court, we can have some shit change. Is there a part of my ignorance, but is there a court or something that changed?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's where the United nations come in. The League of Nations after World War I became the United nations, which the US wasn't a part of the League of Nations. And basically what happens is, is we as an international community can decide what's legal or not. So the International Court of Justice comes out of the United Nations. So the idea is that we can decide these laws and decide what's fair. And then to your question, we have to enforce it. So international law is only as good as its enforcement. So like Benjamin Netanyahu right now has a warrant out for his arrest. He just came to New York, walked.

[Freeze]

Through the street, nobody stopped him, nobody gonna say something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He flew over. All these other countries that also are supposed to be arresting them, they not gonna do it. Cause they don't want to. The International Criminal Court, sometimes we joke and call the ICC the acc. Cause they only seem to arrest African people. It's like the African Criminal Court because they'll quick to arrest somebody from this country, that country, but never Europe, never China, never Russia, never us. So it's ice, right? We have to enforce it. The countries in the world have to enforce it. It's like anything else. It's like living in a good community like Neighborhood Watch. If the people in the neighborhood don't do nothing, then it's not gonna work. International law is only as. As good as its enforcement.

[Ish]

Understood?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And we don't care about it unless it's people whose land we want to take, whose money we want to extract.

[Freeze]

Whose resources we want to resource that we need.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. And then all of a sudden, now we care about the law.

[Freeze]

Because even outside of oil, Venezuela is heavier than gold, Mad gold. And with the price of gold today and all that shit. It's like, yo. And he got on public TV and said, yo, we going to determine what they doing with their resources.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. What that's old throwback.

[Freeze]

Throwback, my nigga, is Darwinism.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's crazy to me, B. And everybody just sitting by. The crazy part for me is people are really championing this shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And they're using the language of freedom to justify. It's the same shit we do in the Middle east. When we be like, look at those women oppressed over there. We'll go save them. It's white men saving brown women from brown men. That's always what they do. And then they make you think that the world is better. And the problem is, sometimes it is. Sometimes the world is better because that person's gone. But that don't mean some shit. It would be like if your neighbor was beating his wife.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The world could be better if I went over there and shot him. But, like, I'm not allowed to just. Cause I think that's. It's not my house. It's not my situation. Right. I have to do something about it, and I have to make people aware of it.

[Freeze]

But you can't take it upon yourself to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. There are mechanisms to deal with that.

[Freeze]

Or how do we pick and choose which country is worth saving and which country is not? It's bad shit going on over here. It's mad shit going over there. But because y' all got something that I need, I'm gonna go over here under the guise of sparing you and quote, unquote, help you when I could just leave this particular country over here to despair and ruin. This shit is bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

And it's.

[Ish]

I mean, you should have knew he was on bullshit when. When the Ukrainian president. Ukrainian president, when he came in and the way he was talking to him. Trump agreed with all that shit that's going on. You know what I'm saying? What Russia was doing and stuff like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was stealing Ukrainian land, annexing Ukraine. Yeah.

[Ish]

So he's not. Not above it. You know what I mean? It's disgusting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could always tell. Just in closing, you could always tell what the real aims are about, who they leave in charge after they leave. Right. Anti communism is not followed by democracy. And I'm not saying communism isn't democracy, but I'm saying they say it's not. They say anti communism is what we're fighting, and then they replace it not with democracy. I'm sorry. They say communism is what we're fighting, but they don't replace it with democracy in their vision, they replace it with anti communism. So they just replace one dictator with another dictator. Just the dictator that they can control. And that's how you get Osama bin Laden. Like, they create these people. They make these people, and the people turn their back on them. Then they become the enemy too. But you can always see what they leave. The trail they leave behind is never good. The US does not have feelings. The US Only has interests. That's as simple as it goes to me.

[Joe Budden]

It's very well said. Mark.

[Ish]

That was fired.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Very well said. You was. Thank you, guys. Thank y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I learned a lot from that conversation. I needed to go. I hate when some happened on the news. Now I gotta go learn about the Venice way.

[Queens Flip]

Watching match on YouTube.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, oh, my God.

[Ish]

How they did it. How they. Yeah, I watched that whole.

[Joe Budden]

It's crazy. And I'm. I'm. I'm with y'. All. I'm against. I'm against how that happened. That was. That was nuts. That was nuts.

[Freeze]

But it's a but.

[Joe Budden]

It's not a but. I just. However, y' all are saying America shouldn't do that.

[Queens Flip]

Yes, however.

[Joe Budden]

For sure.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For sure.

[Freeze]

No, no, no, no.

[Ish]

Sit down.

[Joe Budden]

Don't get up.

[Ish]

Nigga, put his shoes on. Sit your ass down, old man.

[Joe Budden]

Your birthday coming up. Mark, explain to the audience out there, because from the footage I saw, America was able to cut all of the lights out over there like it was a blackout.

[Ish]

Yes, they.

[Joe Budden]

Prior to the drones and. Right. So you mean malware that they had. We was.

[Ish]

You ever had pseudoc come to you?

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

So you're telling me that America controlled the light over there, was able to send some people over there, get this done in a matter of 3 minutes and 30 seconds?

[Freeze]

No, some of that.

[Ish]

This is months in work.

[Freeze]

That was months working in months.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Operation is short.

[Joe Budden]

Talking about the actual execution of what happened.

[Freeze]

But if we had cells and cut.

[Joe Budden]

The lights off, he couldn't close the bunker because he couldn't. Because he can't see now. All right. No, you gotta come through now. And I'm totally against. It's total. I don't believe any of what they're saying, granted. How many years he got left? 3.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Only been in there one year. It feels like a million.

[Ish]

It ain't even a full year.

[Freeze]

When he gets sworn in the 22nd.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

January 20th.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

We got the 6th or the 7th. Yeah, it ain't even been a full year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's crazy.

[Freeze]

And y' all keep thinking it's just three free.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't going to lie. His primary physician is doing their number.

[Ish]

I said the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

I am not going to lie at one point. Yeah, buddy.

[Freeze]

No, the other day, he was slurring his words. Yeah, he was slurring bad after the. Yeah, yeah, Columbia.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's cuz.

[Ish]

His teeth, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His teeth be falling out his head. And he's Adderall. Adderall addict. Allegedly.

[Freeze]

Mexico.

[Joe Budden]

I don't get you, yo. I can't believe that we alive for some of this.

[Freeze]

It's some tv. Like Olympus is falling on a perp walk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, you know, he had him in the New York potatoes in.

[Joe Budden]

And we thought, you know, see the.

[Freeze]

Way they posted this on social media and then put around and find out, right?

[Ish]

You know, the Nike text skyrocketed.

[Freeze]

Sold out.

[Ish]

I know Nike like, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Stupid. I see the same.

[Freeze]

Listen to this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That happens.

[Freeze]

The Nike.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It did. It did.

[Freeze]

The great one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate us, man.

[Joe Budden]

You too. Me too.

[Ish]

Why would it happen? What the are we talking about? I know, but it happened. Oh, my God. Capitalism.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it, man.

[Freeze]

Quarter zips was whipping Nike tech ass. Now to.

[Joe Budden]

We back up.

[Ish]

We back up.

[Joe Budden]

We back up.

[Ish]

What the fuck?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, if you up. Trump is doing. I mean, I see what. One of y' all voted for Trump, man. Cause if you up. You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Trump helps.

[Freeze]

I got a phone call about that shit about you saying that, like, yo, yo, keep it a buck. You voted for Trump, didn't you? I said, you know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On my patreon, I'm gonna tell people who it was. I'm gonna just drop it one day, I bet.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, so if you wanna know, fuck privacy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just gonna tell everyone.

[Freeze]

What's the name of your shit? Mark Lamont Hill official.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

This crazy, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I launched a new podcast, though, this week, last week with my wife.

[Freeze]

Okay, congratulations. How was that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's. It's interesting. I mean, I think it's a good podcast. I really do. We've done two episodes. She's never done media before, so. Okay, so it's just. So it's kind of like producing and, like, hosting, but it's actually a lot of fun.

[Freeze]

What are y' all talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's called in this thing together. And we talk about family, love, relationships, life shit, some pop culture shit, but we do it through the lens of our relationship. So it's not like relationship advice, but it's like a couple talking about this different shit.

[Joe Budden]

That's fire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So it's. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. So the new episode just came out. I'm excited about it.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We was talking. It started. Cause I was clowning to her about this Anthony Joshua shit. She wouldn't stop looking at him after the fight. And then I'm looking at her YouTube and her history got a little too much Anthony Joshua on it. She don't even like my.

[Freeze]

See, that's why you can't have Netflix after Dark.

[Joe Budden]

I came in here and had that same conversation. My brother just. Just on the. Look, you shouldn't me. Hold up now. Hold up now. Right, but then his friends passed away in that tragic accident.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but my only question.

[Joe Budden]

You can't say nothing to your girl who's liking away every. Every prayer. She hammering the like one down, the mighty have fallen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a hater though. When she sent me the tragedy, my only question was, why is this nigga shirt off?

[Freeze]

I said, yo, this ain't put a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shirt off since the fight, right? This put his shirt back on, right?

[Joe Budden]

You right.

[Freeze]

That's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man, I was hating.

[Freeze]

I hate it. I hate.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Made for a good conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Some haters are all right though. Yeah. Some hate I'm not mad at.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's healthy.

[Joe Budden]

I had to keep it cute though, cuz I be liking too much on there. So it's like.

[Queens Flip]

Like got let her get a off, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, go ahead, man. Have some fun. Let have some fun then. I ain't. When I first seen it. See my baby name, I liked it too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You sent her the same. The screenshot with the circle around it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have a type. I'm a straight. But I'm saying. But if you let me like it, however. Go ahead.

[Freeze]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead what?

[Freeze]

That'd be your bag.

[Joe Budden]

No, I just. I'm a straight man.

[Freeze]

What if you wasn't he saying.

[Joe Budden]

But I am.

[Freeze]

He's saying if you're not.

[Joe Budden]

If I wasn't a straight man. Nigga, you'd be bent over somewhere. You be a dead man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you be.

[Joe Budden]

The end of all this shit. Let me tell you something.

[Freeze]

You better take your lucky heaven straight, man.

[Joe Budden]

I would be looking at Anthony Joshua over the chair.

[Freeze]

Melt the ice.

[Joe Budden]

That be my new name. The ice melter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The ice man coming.

[Freeze]

You got freedom up.

[Ish]

Go.

[Joe Budden]

What you think you can do? If I wanted some Freeze. Hey, Joe, what you Think if I want some free. All right, you better.

[Freeze]

You better want something else. You'll be a ice pop. You better want you something else.

[Joe Budden]

I put that in the ice tray. Be ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice cubes. Ice cubes.

[Freeze]

Crush ice.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Take some of that.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze. Nothing over here. Yeah, you better be in the gym.

[Freeze]

Don't get it.

[Joe Budden]

Sh.

[Freeze]

Know, but. Well, thank God you don't. Then you don't have to find out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This year.

[Joe Budden]

Can this room grow up a little bit? No, no, for real, please.

[Freeze]

Growing up? No, honestly, hell, never.

[Joe Budden]

I thought about that when I was home after I figured out that I need Mark to get at least 4 to 6% or whatever van Jones got. I need him to get 5%. Van Jones?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What he got where?

[Joe Budden]

Sellout.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

He care about the cost too much.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, dog, yo, Van said the cost. He thinks gonna stop so much business with all this care about the cost bullshit. He care like if he had 6% of that sellout in him.

[Freeze]

To the money.

[Joe Budden]

To the money boy anyway.

[Freeze]

Oh, get some sell out in him is, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did not have. When I woke up this morning, you IO my bingo car.

[Freeze]

It ain't on your bingo card. He not icing now.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta take his bingo card. You gotta take his bingo card somewhere else. Listen, I'm off that free and I'm straight.

[Freeze]

He was never on that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm straight. Good.

[Ish]

But he's saying if he wasn't, it'll be consensual.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He just said he cold day ice cream truck.

[Joe Budden]

You like that?

[Ish]

Like that, homie.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, can this be the year that this podcast grow?

[Freeze]

We're never growing up, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Honestly, a little bit this year.

[Freeze]

We're not growing up.

[Joe Budden]

It has to happen.

[Freeze]

No, it don't.

[Joe Budden]

Word. Word around the Internet that homeboy might be drumming soon. They saying homeboy might be drumming?

[Freeze]

It ain't no mic.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's back.

[Freeze]

I got a track list.

[Joe Budden]

Really? Freeze. We've been talking for five hours. You just saying that.

[Freeze]

We'll talk about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You could have stopped him if you dropped that fam.

[Joe Budden]

You let us open up with Donnie McClurkland. You got some Du Bois tea in your pocket. We talk about Donnie McCurley out there marking that.

[Freeze]

Oh, no, you talking about. I'm talking about somebody else.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, who you talking about?

[Freeze]

Freedom.

[Queens Flip]

Who the fuck are you talking about?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who you talking about? We'll bleep it. We'll bleep it. And it's heat.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ish]

Hold on. You thought we all collectively assume that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You meant that, Freeze. When you gonna say the nigga name?

[Ish]

Cause that's what that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze.

[Freeze]

I know who you talking about now. No, last week we talked.

[Ish]

Freeze said that shit, boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm thinking, Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

Don't look at this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know what you meant.

[Freeze]

Oh, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have that shit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Fire, Flames, yo. Natural, yo. Well, so and so. Of course. Who else would I mean?

[Ish]

Y' all with him. That's why Free. I ain't lie.

[Joe Budden]

You might with him.

[Ish]

You just do whatever you want. Free.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was wild, bro.

[Freeze]

You want to see that playlist, yo, whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? He said the boy, right?

[Queens Flip]

Holy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love you, Freeze. That was wild.

[Ish]

Free sends me.

[Freeze]

I might have sent it to you now. I might have sent it to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wish we had to.

[Queens Flip]

I wish we had to bleep the name, yo. Holy.

[Ish]

I know.

[Freeze]

Nice. Yo, moving along.

[Joe Budden]

I was talking about.

[Freeze]

I know you're talking about.

[Joe Budden]

I was talking about.

[Freeze]

I understand.

[Joe Budden]

Aubrey Graham.

[Freeze]

I understand, sir.

[Joe Budden]

The word on the Internet is that.

[Freeze]

You think he's dropping first quarter.

[Joe Budden]

Biggest selling artist ever of all time is dropping. He's been quiet for a little while. He had a battle.

[Freeze]

You think he's dropping first quarter?

[Joe Budden]

Hold up, battle, buddy. There's so much anticipation for this.

[Ish]

Free trying to talk through it.

[Joe Budden]

More people are waiting for this than ever before. Hey, there's been. There's been no clue as to when it would drop either. Everyone's guessing on their phone, waiting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, I got it right here.

[Joe Budden]

I got the drag.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got the drag leg.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. If the audience knew the artist that he was talking about. Holy.

[Queens Flip]

That's hilarious. Oh.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Freeze]

If I was him, I would drop down. You said that? Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Are we talking about the boy or the boy?

[Freeze]

The boy.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Freeze]

I don't call no the boy. But if I was.

[Joe Budden]

I was about to say that sounded crazy.

[Freeze]

I dropped.

[Joe Budden]

Now, you can call Jay Z Cove. If you're gonna call him the boy.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I ain't calling. Like, I would drop now if I was him. Nobody else gonna come out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Freeze]

Heavy hitters is on their way.

[Ish]

No.

[Freeze]

If you had a great project, if you had a great project, this would be the time. No, everybody sit with everybody. Get an opportunity to sit with it. But if you got a great project and you him, it's whenever you drop, the world gonna stop to listen Facts. It don't matter who else is out. It don't matter who else has got a Runway. Like, actually.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually.

[Freeze]

Because think you might be about to drop is why. Might be chilling. I'm not sending it to you now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Put on a group chat, man.

[Ish]

I want to read.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna take your ball to go home. Put on a group chat.

[Ish]

Yeah, I want to read it. I want to read the track list.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna lie to y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

That was one of my favorite moments in the history of this podcast. It was up there. Sorry.

[Freeze]

I love y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my Lord. Oh, my God.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How do you do that?

[Joe Budden]

Any thoughts on Drake possibly dropping?

[Queens Flip]

I think springtime.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Can't wait.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

March.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm saying, any thoughts on the Internet saying.

[Queens Flip]

They've been saying that for six hours.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah. I think they just thirsty for the drop. Yeah, honestly, I think is just thirsty for the drop. So it's gonna be he's about to drop until he drops.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[Freeze]

I think it'll drop soon, if not soon. I think a long time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think soon.

[Freeze]

Wait. I think soon, if not soon, a long time.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. I'm kinda not asking y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

The Internet has a source that says Thursday, it's coming. What do you think of that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's likely.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not asking when you think he's coming.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's likely. I think it's likely. And the reason I think it's likely is because when Drake was interviewed, he wasn't even interviewed. He just popped up on the Internet, like, a week ago and said the basic album is just about done. And at the pace that he works, it would make sense to me that if he had an album that was just about done, he could finish it. He could finish it, and it wouldn't be three. He's not sitting on a full album at this stage in his career for three or four months if it's fire. And so I think the source. So either the source is guessing the same thing I'm doing, or they jive, and I'm hoping. I'm hoping they jive, because I see.

[Freeze]

Some Drake with what he's dealing with, with the label and all of that. Do you think he still just does a surprise drop? No roll out, no build up, no single.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope not.

[Freeze]

I don't want him to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't. I think that's now, like, the ego place. Like when people say, like, I write my. I don't write rhymes. I just do them off the dome. Like, some people need to write this. Some people need a drop. Some people need a. A roll out.

[Queens Flip]

You know, I don't think the Drake does I think it would be better for him if he does.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He needs one, but I think. Yeah, exactly. I think it'd be better for one. I think it'd be a lot better for one.

[Freeze]

Sorry, I don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't think he'd be better for a rollout?

[Joe Budden]

Excuse me?

[Freeze]

I think that. I think that if his rollout don't get well received, he'll go back in the hot. I think he's been low key, trying to roll out some just to test the temperature of the public, and I don't think it was what he was expecting. I think the Iceman streams have been that. Yeah. So I think that. I think that if he just drops the. It's like it. Close your eyes and jump, you know what I mean, off the cliff and see where you land. I think that when he is just throwing out these teasers and he not getting the response that he want to get, I think he'll run back in. If he releases an official single and it don't hit like he think it's gonna hit, I think he won't put his project out.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we'll see. We'll see what? That. We'll see if the Internet's right or wrong.

[Queens Flip]

We shall.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What else? Is there anything else up there that. That we need to get to, that we need a man to take? So all day killing them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we talk about Clarissa Shields for a minute?

[Joe Budden]

Have at it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead. I think it's time to have that conversation.

[Joe Budden]

That's a good associate of mine's. Girl. Girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have anything bad.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have anything to add to the Clarissa Shields convo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love Papoose and I'm a fan of Clarissa Shields. It's more to me a conversation about how we're talking about it, you know, a little bit. So Papoose and 50 Cent be going at it and then. And she became collateral damage, kind of in the conversation. 50 said he was ending the conversation and that he was bowing out. But then he posted a very old, you could call it pre glow up picture of Clarissa winning the gold medal on Instagram and people were clowning that. I'm all for Internet shenanigans. I'm all for the games. I don't particularly like when people bring people, significant others into those conversations. I don't think it's ok. But I was also surprised that more people weren't outraged. I was surprised that so many people were piling on to the Clarissa Shields thing. Cause, like, there have been times where we've rushed to defend people, whether it's Meg, you know, whoever. Right. And I think we should. You know, I did too, but it feels like Clarissa's getting left out there a little bit more, and I think some of it is because people are exhausted by her.

[Freeze]

Yeah. I was just getting ready to say, like, I'm. Damn, my mention's going crazy. Cause I was like, all right, now I gotta mute the name of the female boxer. Like, I'm just. Because I was just tired of seeing her. Like, I felt like even prior to this, even when the whole. The previous shit was happening, I'm trying to be as respectful as possible. I just felt like she was just doing a little too much. Didn't say anything about it. I just didn't want to see it no more. And I think a lot of people are in that side, like, okay, cool. If 50 and Pap are doing they shit and they going back and forth, that's fine. Let them do that. But it's like. Like my. Just everything that Shorty's been doing, it just seemed to be a lot of it. Like, even Christmas, like, when Christmas came and went, the things that she was doing on the Internet, there was a lot of people, like, ma, you doing a lot. Just stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you think, though, the public picks and chooses who's doing a lot based on other criteria?

[Freeze]

Oh, of course. That's always. That's the public picks. If we like you, there's no such thing as you doing a lot lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

If we don't like you, everything you do is too much.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And I like Clarissa, so this isn't. This is not. I don't like her thing. I just.

[Freeze]

Just. I'm talking about in general.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, in general. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think we see that. I think that. I think that's exactly right. And for whatever reason, the public isn't rocking with her.

[Freeze]

Like, see, me, I didn't have any. I didn't have any knowledge even of her. I'm. I'm not familiar. So my introduction to her was kind of her doing a little bit, doing a lot. For me, it was Layla Ali and their relationship beginning. It just seemed like she was the girl that was the pap don't do much on the Internet. And Remy wasn't doing much on the Internet insert. You. Like, that's how I'm getting all my information. It was just like, you're doing a lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who. Who in your moving off of her, Is there somebody in your circle? Let me put it differently. How do you Tell somebody you care about that they doing too much. Is there a way to do that? You just got to let them learn for themselves.

[Freeze]

It got to be somebody that, that you respect and will listen to because otherwise get cut for doing that. Cut off. Excuse me. Like you. You go tell somebody, yo, you're doing too much. You wild and you bugging out. It's you shut up. I'm, I'm. I got here. I'm me. You shut the up and you'll. They'll cut you off. But if it's someone you respect and you, or you know, their word actually holds some weight in your life, like an OG or whether it be an uncle, just somebody that they matter to you, they could come to you and say, yo, dog, let me pull you to the side. Talk to you. And you'll take that. All right? If he's telling me I'm bugging or if she's telling me I'm bugging, maybe I'm bugging.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Word, Word, and I'll listen to it. In conclusion, she's a young. She's young, that part. She's been spending her whole life training to be a boxer, which is not a field where you typically get treated glamorously and celebrated. And now she's getting a lot of attention. She's a celebrity. Celebrity.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm like, let her having fun. Shout out to her. Shout out to Pap, you know what I mean? Wish him nothing but the best. But I hope all the dragging and the Internet games about her kind of end just cuz I let let you. Y' all got issues, y'. All. Y' all keep it between y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

I do have a part of this show for you gentlemen.

[Freeze]

Okay? All right, let's go.

[Joe Budden]

This is from Demetrius. Hey, Demetrius, what's up, man?

[Freeze]

What's up, man?

[Joe Budden]

Quote, unquote. My man comes from a family of street farmers, pharmaceutical representatives on his mother's side, okay? And due to their work ethic.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is Demetrius talking.

[Joe Budden]

They all have earned state funded vacations. Some last a couple weeks and some on vacation forever.

[Freeze]

Got it?

[Joe Budden]

My man, he's putting in quotes again. Has a decent job. And I'm saying he. I don't know if it's a he. My man has a decent job and is working on his second degree and is the only person who is self sufficient. His problem comes in with his little brother who is hell bent on joining the family profession, okay? He has tried to keep him in school, even offering to pay, pay for cdl. Cdl class or any other trade that he has interest in, but to no avail. At this point, my man has given up and is at the point where he is done talking. Is he wrong for saying fuck it, or should he keep trying or let him learn the hard way? His little brother thinks he knows everything. And due to him being the coddled baby of the family, he has no problem being disrespectful to the people who coddled him. And he avoids the ones who didn't. So besides his co workers, everyone else is. Everyone else has stepped back. What would you do?

[Ish]

Yeah, let him learn the hard way.

[Freeze]

You got to.

[Ish]

Cause no matter how much time and patience and you know, you try to, you can't force somebody to do what you want them to do. You could pay for school. You could try to lead them to the fucking promised land. But sometimes they gotta learn the hard way. There's a lot of influence out there and people look up to the wrong things. They probably, probably look at the brother as a fucking square and don't want to look at him and don't want to listen to him. But look at his cousins and them as them niggas get into it and that's where I want to be. And they probably influencing him and encouraging him to do that.

[Freeze]

Even seeing the fact that they went on them state vacations, as he put it. If that's not enough, because you see the other side of it. It's not like you're just seeing all the glitz and glam. All the men and your family are in the system. They got caught out there. So you see that you not taking that into consideration. You got Demetrius here trying to show you another way, but you don't want to hear that. So after a certain point, you gotta just, yo, I gotta let you go. You're grown, you want to pick your path. You have to deal with whatever comes. What's on that path, though? And it seems like you don't want to listen to nobody. So I'm let you walk a little bit.

[Ish]

And it depends on if A respects you or not too.

[Freeze]

Same previous conversation we said, you know what I mean?

[Ish]

It depends on if a nigga respects you and how far you can take it. How far you gonna take it, man, you get physical, nigga still gonna do that.

[Freeze]

Don't matter.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't gonna do nothing.

[Freeze]

He's not gonna do nothing. Like he said, he think he know he only listens to his co workers. So obviously there's nobody that he's willing to soak Up. No game from. So you have to let you go bump your own head. I'm trying to prevent you from bumping your head. I'm telling you, hey, it's a bar right there. If you keep walking, you're gonna hit your head. You want to keep walking, eventually I'm gonna let you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's tough for me.

[Freeze]

I mean, good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't take that position. I mean, I'm not gonna say you're wrong for the approach you take, but I would. You gotta keep trying. If you care about somebody and you love somebody. Cause a lot of times we say find out the hard way. Like things are always gonna end a certain way. Like they're gonna go to jail, come home and change their life around. Sometimes learning the hard way is getting killed, sometimes getting paralyzed or getting life or getting life. And so I'm gonna do. If I love you, I'm gonna do everything I can. There are moments where you gotta throw your hands up and say I've done all I can.

[Freeze]

That's all I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But that don't sound like they're any way near that. That and it's always something you can do and I will keep trying to do it.

[Freeze]

I offer to pay for school for you. I'm trying to give you like what he's. He sounds like. I don't know what else I could do sometimes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See that's different though.

[Freeze]

See I. I don't. So at this point, because before you throw your hands up, that comes after you figure you exhausted every other opportunity. So if I, if I'm at the point where I'm about to throw my hands up, that means I think I've done everything I could do. I think one important thing factor that we don't have the information for is the age of the person. I think that's really pertinent. But I stand with Mark's side. That fam. If. When you love some young men out here, like we, some of us in this room have been the men that were hard headed and somebody didn't give up on us or somebody kept trying to instill certain in us. And I think that to Mark's point too. Yo dog. When you throw your hands up thinking that they'll learn, they'll learn might never come, that lesson may never come. The last lesson is you getting life or you being dead. And I think that if you really, really love somebody, you don't just lead at the happenstance. So how do you prevent that? I mean, how do you, how do you. I Think you still maintain a presence in their life? I think you still trying to keep encouraging them. I think you still just start being a nag and steep. Steep. I mean, keep telling them, you know what I mean? What. What to do. You can't make them, but I think you give up on them. I think it's two different things. So you never give up? Nah. Not on my little brothers or. Nah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Nah, I couldn't. No.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I mean, I just. To speak from personal experience, you know, that's what my family say about my brother, you know, like, he'll be fine. Just let him learn a little bit of jail. He'll be fine. He's fucking 49 now. Yeah. Like, I wish sometimes I hadn't. I'd supported him more, you know what I mean? And sometimes it's like. Like you said, I feel like I've done all I can do, but at that moment, the answer is to find new things, to figure out how to support, you know? I mean, I'd. I'd rather go out swinging than to go out like this, you know? And that's just me because. Because I've seen it too many times.

[Joe Budden]

Respect. Respect.

[Freeze]

Yeah. Hope we help you, Demetrius.

[Joe Budden]

Thoughts and prayers.

[Freeze]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I got. That.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's tough.

[Joe Budden]

These lying. They ain't praying for y'.

[Freeze]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I'm praying for y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm.

[Ish]

I'm praying for y. I'm praying for y', all, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, if y' all was. If y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I got a question for y', all, actually.

[Freeze]

What's up, man?

[Ish]

Okay.

[Freeze]

That prayer him up.

[Joe Budden]

If y' all had a. No, hey, your world, teach. If y' all was, like, real fly with Aaron Hernandez and then all the happened, like, when you spoke about him, would you speak about him, like, glowingly?

[Ish]

Oof.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't speak about him.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

I would try to avoid.

[Freeze]

I would try to. But I would preface.

[Joe Budden]

Never speak about him.

[Freeze]

I would try not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I'd only talk about football. I'd only talk about professionally.

[Queens Flip]

I would preface, listen, I know he was. Did such and such, but he was always cool with me. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But certain things, you can't get that off with, like, killing a bunch of people, you know what I mean? Like. Like with Diddy, you can get that off, right? Like, you know, I didn't know him. Like, you know, I didn't know that situation. You know what I mean? It's awful. But I knew him in the record business. I just feel like once you get to, like, murder and, like, others and sexual violence. It's hard to be like, yeah, Marathon Bomber.

[Queens Flip]

That's different.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying, like, there's a line. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't put Aaron Hernandez.

[Freeze]

I don't either with murderers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He killed a lot of people, though.

[Joe Budden]

He didn't kill that many bomber people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How many. How many's a lot?

[Queens Flip]

I think it was two people. I could be wrong about that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's. It's. It's. He was. So they caught him killing two people. There are rumors that he killed others, too.

[Freeze]

He killed two people? Yeah. That mean he killed two people, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, see, he killed. He killed the guy.

[Joe Budden]

His. His.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

His wife's friend.

[Joe Budden]

You finding out on here. Go ahead, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Use a even.

[Freeze]

Even if you.

[Joe Budden]

Even if you believe the rumors, I'm like, five.

[Freeze]

No, bigger than that. Even if it was the Marathon Bomber, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's crazy.

[Freeze]

Let me finish my sentence, please, before y' all clip this up. What I'm saying is, if you don't. If you don't know him to be that nigga, you don't know what he was doing when he was setting up that shit. Your interaction with that man could have been a positive dope interaction.

[Ish]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Freeze]

And then when you find out that he did that, you like, oh, shit. Like, I never. Yeah, but now you're not gonna talk about him. Him in such a gleaming, glowing light, knowing that he did that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Freeze]

That's the part we talking about.

[Ish]

But some people do.

[Joe Budden]

Not necessarily true, though.

[Freeze]

And that's what I'm saying. Like, some people. Marathon Bomber. I'm not talking about you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about the Marathon Bomber.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what he said. There's a lot you can do. What's that?

[Ish]

That ate the people. Jeffrey Dahmer. You know how his father talked about him on the news?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just saying, I think your parents are. But if he was my neighbor, I could be like, you know, he really cares. Kept his long.

[Freeze]

He didn't know he was doing all that.

[Joe Budden]

But he was always nice guy.

[Freeze]

Every time I saw him, he said hi. Right, Right. No, I'm not.

[Ish]

People do that all the time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway.

[Ish]

You watch the news.

[Joe Budden]

That's right.

[Freeze]

Like, when do it. They be like, nah, he was cool as. He was my neighbor.

[Ish]

He was cool.

[Freeze]

He borrowed my grill. Like, whatever the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You did. But Jeffrey.

[Freeze]

Dah do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He got his season.

[Joe Budden]

I just keep hearing a lot of Aaron Hernandez's College teammates just speak about him in an interview or be asked about reverence or be asked about him. And I hear a few of them.

[Freeze]

Say, yo, that was my man. He was.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, granted, he did all that shit, and I didn't know nothing about it, but on that field and in the locker room, he was this. So I just thought it would. I wanted to ask y' all because.

[Freeze]

I could see how it put.

[Joe Budden]

It put someone in a compromising situation.

[Freeze]

And again, it depends on what you're accused of doing or, in this case, convicting. It depends on that, too. Because if it was some, you know, PDF, that's the difference. Ain't no way to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's everybody.

[Freeze]

I don't care how you was as a neighbor. There's no way to be glowingly. Well, he was cool in it. There's no way to do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's. Everybody got a line.

[Freeze]

I think that might be the line for me. Like, when you start. There's other lines in there for me. When you start talking about kids and it's a different ball game for me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It depends.

[Freeze]

Dude was a serial grape rapist.

[Queens Flip]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Queens Flip]

But it depends on the murders, because.

[Joe Budden]

If it's like some street kids and he said grapes.

[Freeze]

Yeah. I mean, but, you know, like, you say sexual, like if you are a sexual predator, I'm drawing the line right there. Got you.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Freeze]

You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, like, I don't. I'm with you not playing them games. But again, to ISIS point, we all been outside. We all grew up in environments where people commit crimes, and some of those crimes might have been. And farther along than some people. And some of them are good.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I don't want to say good, but they're good. Yes.

[Freeze]

For lack of better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not doing. Only professionally. Like, again, like, if I played on his football team, I could say, yo, he was great. Great tight end.

[Ish]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's because that's. I have to. That's the job.

[Freeze]

That was the team you was on, too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, but what if he was great?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Would you like him that we could use his great wide receiver? That boy.

[Ish]

Good.

[Freeze]

That was quick.

[Joe Budden]

But what if he was great to you off the field?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it because then that's an assessment of his character, and I just wouldn't want to be associated with it. It's not wrong to do. I just personally wouldn't do it because I don't want to be associated with that. Got It. That's all. But there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. If somebody was good to you and you don't know the other side of them, you could say that. I just wouldn't.

[Freeze]

True. Very true.

[Queens Flip]

And again, it sounds like from your summation, they were prefaced. They were saying, yeah, all that other shit. But on the field, he was great. In the locker room, he was great. It's a preface.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

So they are joining that little separation.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. Listen, I know he's a monster. Outside of football, he was great.

[Freeze]

Even in real life, it's mad people that are monsters, but they are some of the biggest philanthropists in the world. You know what I'm saying? So it just depends on what side of the person. Landman, Landman, Andy Garcia.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Freeze]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He.

[Freeze]

He is a cartel dude, but he's also a legitimate businessman that's trying to pull him out of the. And help them. And he carries himself with a level of integrity. Could have took it, taken advantage of the wife. He said, yo, I'm not gonna do it. No deals with you. I want to talk to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, he know how to play with the Sharks.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Like, yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It'S tough.

[Joe Budden]

January 16th. Can't get here fast enough. I'm waiting for that Netflix Ben Affleck movie.

[Freeze]

That looks amazing.

[Joe Budden]

The rip.

[Queens Flip]

The rip.

[Freeze]

It looks amazing. Ben Affleck and his man.

[Joe Budden]

I think Tiana Taylor.

[Freeze]

Tiana's in every sho.

[Queens Flip]

I did see a little bit of that. Little bit of.

[Freeze]

See what this is about.

[Joe Budden]

That looks good.

[Freeze]

Tiana. Every movie that's out. A group of Miami cops discovered a stash of millions in cash leading to distrust. As outsiders learned about the seizure making them question who to rely on.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead and read it on there.

[Queens Flip]

I mean, you did good.

[Joe Budden]

More so should look at the trailer.

[Freeze]

It's. It look crazy. It looks fire. It does.

[Joe Budden]

Damn. There was something else.

[Freeze]

There was something that's coming out else.

[Joe Budden]

Paradise is next month.

[Queens Flip]

Oh, Hijack's coming back too.

[Freeze]

Hijack?

[Joe Budden]

Hijack. This next coming back, is it?

[Queens Flip]

I. I didn't see. I just seen the trailer.

[Ish]

I didn't.

[Freeze]

This from homeboy that does Landman and Yellowstone and all that. A spin off of that. It's called Marshalls. One of the sons.

[Queens Flip]

Okay.

[Freeze]

January 14th, next week.

[Queens Flip]

Nice. Good. Cause I'm running out of shit. I'm caught up with the Daily show, so. Or Morning Show.

[Joe Budden]

How you doing?

[Freeze]

I was gonna ask you. Morning Show.

[Joe Budden]

I finished season one. I watched A couple episodes of season two. And. And I put it up to come back to. I don't want to just binge the whole way through, but if you're asking, I cried at the end of season one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Show gets better too. That's one joint state. Gets better. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Season four shows, just as a man, you'd be like, I'm crying to this it.

[Queens Flip]

Let him rip.

[Joe Budden]

I did.

[Freeze]

I'll be crying with TV shows. It was something to see. 4.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah. It was crazy.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I know.

[Queens Flip]

You're talking about.

[Freeze]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

I'll check it out.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, I'll check it out. It's phenomenal.

[Joe Budden]

It is. Yeah. No, I'm sad I'm late on it.

[Queens Flip]

I like blurbies too, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Did you finish? Yes.

[Queens Flip]

I like the way they ended it.

[Freeze]

I don't know if I'm be. I'm. I'll be there for season two.

[Queens Flip]

Really?

[Freeze]

I don't know.

[Queens Flip]

There's. Just getting warmed up. She got a partner in crime now.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, here come spoiler alerts.

[Queens Flip]

That's all.

[Freeze]

That's.

[Queens Flip]

I'm trying not to say much.

[Freeze]

I just started watching Gilded Age. Somebody told me to start watching. What is it? It's the hbo. They've been on for a couple seasons called Gilded Age. I see. See it all the time. I never really watched it. It was about like, the Carnegies, the Rockefellers, the Vanderbilts. All of them in early, early New York City. Like early, early 1900America. And how the powers that be. Oh, yeah. Became the powers that be.

[Queens Flip]

I'm not gonna lie. I finally took my power back from HBO. Give me that. Give me that 18.99 back. It's over for you.

[Freeze]

See, I paid for the year. There's nothing over there, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. Yeah, y' all gotta.

[Freeze]

I'm not gonna hold you. Y' all gotta know the last time I opened that app to look for something. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Freeze]

Yeah, it's bad.

[Queens Flip]

It's bad over there.

[Freeze]

It's bad. You holding daddy water? Oh, you know he can't hold water.

[Ish]

I'm admiring the.

[Queens Flip]

That was good.

[Freeze]

That was good.

[Ish]

That was good.

[Freeze]

My thermist. Y.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y' all care that Tekashi just turned himself in?

[Ish]

Me.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

On a live stream. Okay.

[Queens Flip]

On a live stream.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, on Aiden Ross's live stream, they showed him cutting off his ankle monitor, previewing the diss track of Mr. Beast fans standing by. It was a big production. Yeah, it's wild. Different time. He's gonna do that 90 days in. In Brooklyn.

[Freeze]

Alrighty.

[Queens Flip]

Congrats. His thoughts and prayers.

[Freeze]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

You know, you just reminded me of something real quick.

[Queens Flip]

I'm sorry that happened to all of us.

[Freeze]

Joe, what's going on?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, can I speak to DJ academics? Can I speak to. Can I speak to dj? Is this DJ academics?

[DJ Academics]

I should be saying it the other way around. Can I speak to Joe Budden?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I'm on, I'm on. Let me let you know, first of all, Happy New Year. I'm on there. I'm, I'm on air. So don't say anything that can incriminate yourself or myself. But I just wanted to give you a call, you know what I mean?

[DJ Academics]

How's everything been?

[Joe Budden]

I mean everything is great, especially my Wi Fi. Oh, nice. I've been. I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, I'm seeing some things. I just wanted to know, like anything.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Cool.

[Freeze]

We cool?

[Joe Budden]

We good?

[DJ Academics]

Oh no, of course, me and you were good. But I need, you know, I like when my friends get along. All my friends get along. I got to squash this you and Aiden thing, man.

[Joe Budden]

That I don't give a. About him. I'm calling about you because in some of these clips I'm saying, I mean looking, I'm not hearing my man say, yo, I know Joe, I love Joe. I've worked with Joe. I made history with Joe. I ain't. We ain't just about to just keep talking about Joe any type of way around, around me. Now that's what I thought I would hear.

[DJ Academics]

No, no, and I completely get that. But you do know, all right, there's a little bit of understanding for like especially with Aiden because I've been the person that I felt like the people maybe not in my demo have all ganged up on.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I heard, I heard you say that. I heard you say it.

[DJ Academics]

And, and, and that, that's that. Understand, I have. Obviously he's gonna say like, you know, he feels his little petty and personal. He's gonna be like, well, Joe is irrelevant. Which I think last night he said I was like, no, that's not true. My man's pretty lit.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, that's okay. I don't, I don't. No weapon formed, right? Like, no weapon formed. Like I don't care what anybody that I don't know has to say about me. So that's, that's okay. But when I'm just seeing my man, my man is in these. I said, let me call my man, man. Cause some people, they're gonna try to put a battery in My bag like yo, action. I'm like, no, no, no, not my man. He wouldn't do that. No, no, no, he wouldn't do that. But then I'm not seeing you say, yo, I love homeboy. Yo, let's, let's, let's ease up on Joe.

[DJ Academics]

No, no, of course. Listen, you. You know that already inherently. Even when I hear conversations about me on your pod, I know you loved it.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell them streaming, different personalities.

[Joe Budden]

Let them streaming know. I mean. Cause I ain't going. I'm not gonna get on Twitch or some. I ain't gonna be be able to tell them. But tell Chat Chat, I love Joe Button. That's my man's. Tell him like Megan known.

[DJ Academics]

Listen, I've said that pretty much every time we talk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We do.

[Joe Budden]

As long as you tell them that.

[Freeze]

I feel.

[Joe Budden]

I feel splendid. I feel great, man. God damn it.

[DJ Academics]

Hey, well, a lot of people don't know. Listen, even going back to last year, which I think is just a peak, you know, especially for independent, you know, outlets like, like yourself and myself, me and you. We on the phone, we're like, we're ping ponging and pause. We're like, yo, listen, this is, this.

[Queens Flip]

Is one and two.

[Freeze]

Just.

[DJ Academics]

We getting all the good here, you know, I mean, this is everyday struggle on different platforms. So obviously.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah.

[DJ Academics]

The only thing I will say is that like I'm liking like an interesting spot. I remember coming into the game and like a lot of the older folks, they with me and it was just like, yo, this guy. And, and I think they thought if you get act out of the way, like that whole wave is dead. And I always know that that wave is never dead. Like right now, YouTube, there's a million acts. And when it comes to like people like Aiden.

[Joe Budden]

Not a million acts, buddy.

[DJ Academics]

No, no, maybe, maybe not that, you.

[Joe Budden]

Know, effective, but I know what you're trying to say.

[DJ Academics]

Yeah, but when it comes to like Aiden, that's like also a different iteration. So obviously he's, you know, I think there's a lot of conversation. I would love for conversation to happen because that's, you know, that's how everyday show started. Like, I was supposed to be the guy who liked the colored hair and you were the guy who was into the quintessential traditional hip hop. And they put us together and over. Over nine months, we. We were basically kind of moving in tandem.

[Joe Budden]

Tell Aiden, Tell him.

[DJ Academics]

No, I think he's in that mindset. I think he's thinking when he Hears you, you're like, yo, somebody beat him up. Somebody do this.

[Queens Flip]

And.

[DJ Academics]

And obviously at that point, you know, anytime people hear anything about violence, they're like, where do we go from here?

[Joe Budden]

And no one should be using their platform to spread violence. Like, I don't support. I don't support that.

[Queens Flip]

So.

[DJ Academics]

And also, I think, I think that the Deutsche conversation is an interesting one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't call to talk about Dochi or none of that. I can't call from my mental man and ask my man something and my man answer me, and that's it. I don't care about none of this hip hop.

[DJ Academics]

Somebody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

The Red. The Redditors.

[DJ Academics]

Oh, you can't listen.

[Joe Budden]

The Redditors come on the streamers and the Redditors. I don't, I don't normally visit. I don't visit that part of the, the, the Internet most times, but it did. It did come across my desk and I haven't spoken to you anyway, so it's good. Good to hear from you. Good to hear from you.

[Freeze]

So what?

[DJ Academics]

Well, let me categorically state it on the record, like I've stated off. Joe is always my man. We accomplish history together. He's been a close friend to me, but also he's given me great advice. He's been somebody that. That's been there for me through thick and thin. And one thing, and this is why I always say, even back at the. Maybe the past iteration of your podcast, it's different. When Joe said, you know what?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[DJ Academics]

Ask my man. But he's wild in here because I know, I know you. I know your character. And even if you say something that you know, I mean, I have to take it like, you know, I. Not the thing I wanted to hear. I know you got my best interest at heart.

[Queens Flip]

So.

[DJ Academics]

Yeah. You never see a world where it's academics versus Joe Biden.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that you know it. Same on my side. I love you. I'll call you when I'm not on here. All right, so what one. I mean, I get to the bottom of this sometimes, man. Sometimes you could believe that the outside noise.

[Freeze]

You got to the bottom.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, sometimes you can believe the outside noise is. Sometimes it gets tough. Sometimes you can believe what some of the comments are saying. I know. You know, come on, man. Sometimes it's tough. So that's when it's important to have that direct line. Talk to your man and get to the bottom of things.

[Queens Flip]

That is important.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God. Of clear that up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You really Say one at the end of your phone conversations, too, Mark, you know that already. I did.

[Joe Budden]

I say one to you every. Every time I hang up the phone. I always say, once you've talked to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The phone like three times, you want to take my calls.

[Joe Budden]

I say once, though. Oh, it's old school, right? I know. I should stop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You should. That's one step above peace to Middle East.

[Joe Budden]

Why? It's not one step above peace.

[Queens Flip]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

It's right next cousin.

[Queens Flip]

It was the next.

[Freeze]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Now should I just stop?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Please.

[Joe Budden]

But why goodbye? How you in your phone call?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I say. I say peace.

[Queens Flip]

Peace. Talk to you soon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How you and your phone go?

[Ish]

He hands the phone.

[Freeze]

He's still on the phone.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He ain't never did that.

[Freeze]

The phone just died. That's how he in his. The phone die. Bye.

[Joe Budden]

Bye. I don't say, what if you're not talking to somebody black.

[Freeze]

Bye.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I hit you right back. Is his joint.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's that. Hold on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how you should have folk. I'm going hit you right back.

[Freeze]

I'm hit you right back, yo. Yeah, and don't hit you back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'd say one just off the whip, too. It's not without even thinking about it. One. Bye. Bye. Goodbye.

[Queens Flip]

Goodbye.

[Joe Budden]

Goodbye. Yo. Later. Later.

[Freeze]

That's always later.

[Queens Flip]

Later's not bad.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Later's not bad. Art is cool. Peace is cool.

[Joe Budden]

Later, later. Don't let them know that if a bar fight break out, you'll win. You'll put a couple of them down later. Don't let them down one.

[Freeze]

Do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no one. One says you just came home from putting a couple. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, everybody. You wasn't there. Probably everybody didn't get to say it.

[Freeze]

Playing with you must not have been there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You wasn't there. Everybody didn't get to say it.

[Freeze]

Everybody couldn't say.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody couldn't say one.

[Freeze]

So the wrong said one. It was up.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please. Yeah, wrong would have said 1.

[Freeze]

Watch belly and just start adapting some.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. Oh, man. All right. I don't have anything else. I'm done with you.

[Freeze]

That's funny.

[Queens Flip]

5, 1 1. Start ending the pod like 1 1.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Let me just make sure I don't have anything. Is anything weighing heavy on yalls heart?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Anything?

[Joe Budden]

We emptied the tape clip.

[Freeze]

Take clip is done, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We let it spray.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, niggas let it spray. Yeah, y' all had to switch on it too. Boss takes galore.

[Ish]

Let me see.

[Joe Budden]

Trump tracks. Miles Garrett. Anime McLurkland. Tim Check Act.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

All right. I guess I'm done being terrible. I'm done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm done.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done.

[Freeze]

I'm done.

[Joe Budden]

We did it.

[Queens Flip]

We did a great show.

[Joe Budden]

It was amazing.

[Queens Flip]

Good to have you back, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Good to be here, man.

[Queens Flip]

We missed you. And I didn't want to do half of those conversations without you here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, thank you, cuz.

[Queens Flip]

We would have sounded really, really stupid.

[Freeze]

Oh, no. We'd have up at least three of them.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't want to do half of those conversations with him here. Yeah, true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We could tell. Ooh, this another good one.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Yo, if you pray out, if you're down with the prayers, then please, please keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you adieu. Farewell. Adios, Eriba dirche. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long ago. A simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments indeed pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last, but certainly not least. Hey. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them. Grab you a Tylenol ego. Anybody got anything planned for the week.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S fun and interesting?

[Ish]

Anything?

[Joe Budden]

Anything? Anything? Anything?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nope.

[Ish]

Outside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just recording.

[Freeze]

Outside. Going to a little listening session later. That's it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. We gotta rob a bank together or something. We have to do something to spice this up. Buddy, we gotta do something, all right? At least a check. Cash in place. A gas station, we gotta rob somewhere. So we gotta do something together. And somebody has to be on the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Back that side of it.

[Freeze]

This crazy.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta lay down the law.

[Freeze]

It's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Like the little white boys on that Animal Kingdom show. That my girl. Keep watching.

[Queens Flip]

Can we just go?

[Freeze]

You don't like Animal Kingdom?

[Joe Budden]

It's a funny show.

[Queens Flip]

Can we just get some. Steal some candy bars from the 7 11. Is that good enough?

[Joe Budden]

We could rob a 7 11. No, no, just.

[Queens Flip]

Just candy bars.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to rob. No, no, no, no.

[Queens Flip]

Yeah, just a little. Just a little Eminem in the pocket. Hey, yo, dog, it's big jacket season. You can get it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze.

[Queens Flip]

What about. Freeze.

[Freeze]

Trying to tell.

[Queens Flip]

Very good.

[Freeze]

Boy, I don't know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, till next time. Y' all only down out there.

[Joe Budden]

Every. Till next time. You've never heard of joe buddy? One.