Episode 894 | "White-Ish Mamba"

Summary

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The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 894 | "White-Ish Mamba"
January 14, 2026

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode delivers the classic JBP blend of sharp pop culture analysis, sports talk, current events, and playful ribbing among friends. Centered around the Golden Globes, celebrity culture, accountability in media, relationships, and sports, the crew covers recent headlines as well as their own lives, all delivered in their signature conversational, humorous, and no-holds-barred style.

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Cast (in this episode)

• Joe Budden (Host)
• Flip (Queens Flip)
• Ish
• Dr. Mark Lamont Hill
• Parks
• Ice (Big Freeze)
• Poe, Corey, Erickson, Savon, Tavon, Tanner (remote/support, occasional mentions)

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Male Friend Compliments and Social Dynamics

• Start: 00:00
• Men’s discomfort giving/receiving compliments opens the episode. The crew jokes about fashion and wives dressing them, with friendly but pointed teasing mixed in.
  • Memorable Quote:

    "Why we can't give you a compliment?" – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (01:37)

• Tangents:
  • Flip and Joe admit their partners often help pick their outfits.
  • Ish pushes back, insisting on his independence in dress.

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2. Early Morning Routines, Drinks, and "Being Outside"

• Time: 06:00
• The cast lightly debates the joys and loneliness of early mornings. Dr. Hill mentions going out and having a Bacardi & Coke, igniting jokes and playful shaming about drink tastes.
  • Highlight

    “Bacardi and Coke is a strange choice.” – Flip (08:26)

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3. Marriage, Flirting, and Navigating Social Cues

• Time: 09:00–13:00
• The cast discusses when/how quickly married men bring up their status with new people.
  • Some argue that bringing up the wife doesn’t always stop flirting.
  • Insight:

    “That don’t stop nothing... It stops the classy ones.” – Ish (11:39)

• Open relationships and perceptions about marriage are debated in a frank, humorous style.

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4. Infidelity in the Workplace

• Time: 18:00–20:00
• Jokes (and semi-serious talk) about high rates of cheating in workplaces, especially hospitals and teaching.
  • "Hospitals and workplace is where all the infidelity is happening." – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (18:59)

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5. Golden Globes Recap

• Time: 33:00–47:00
• Highlights:
  • Praise for Nikki Glaser as host.
  • Teyana Taylor’s emotional acceptance speech (read aloud and discussed).
    • "Our softness is not...our depth is not...too much. Our light does not need permission to shine." – Quoting Teyana Taylor (37:00)
  • The lack of diversity among attendees is noted and critiqued.
  • Jokes about the “Voice of God” presenters.
  • A spirited discussion about support and recognition for Black women in entertainment and the arts.
• The crew reflects on Teyana Taylor’s growth, resilience, and multi-hyphenate status.

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6. Social Issues at the Awards

• Time: 45:00
• Discussion on celebrities and their responses to political issues (e.g., Bill Maher’s comments on the red carpet), the role of activism, symbolism, and performative gestures.
  • Wanda Sykes' clapback at Maher is praised:

    “You just give us so much. Maybe give us a little less.” – Wanda Sykes, paraphrased by Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (46:43)

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7. Personal Updates: Ish's Car Accident

• Time: 30:00–33:00
• Ish recounts a serious car accident—everyone is okay, but it's a reminder about safety and family.
• Jokes quickly resume: “Excuse used about a S Class.” – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, teasing Ish about car upgrades (30:51)

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8. Podcast Awards: Frustrations with Industry Gatekeeping

• Time: 66:25–68:25
• Critique of the Golden Globes podcast category:
  • Complaints about mid-tier podcasts winning due to submission/pay requirements, not true influence.
  • “If the greatest film awards...were a bunch of shit no one’s ever heard of…you’d be like, what the fuck is this award ceremony?” – Flip (68:08)

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9. Football Playoffs & Sports Hot Takes

• Time: 69:07–86:30
• Detailed NFL playoff analysis:
  • Bills and Josh Allen's performance praised.
  • Sporting rules, officiating (e.g., offensive linemen carrying QB—70:00), and “unsung” moments discussed.
  • Notable moment:

    “He did what he had to do. Congratulations to the Bills." – Joe Budden (70:23)

• Eagles’ decline and Jalen Hurts’ performance hotly debated; Cam Newton vs. Gilly controversy referenced.
  • “To me, Hurts ain’t that bro. So Cam was right.” – Ish (85:28)

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10. Viral Clip Breakdown: Cam Newton & Lady London

• Time: 86:32–94:00
• Cam Newton fumbles a vocabulary test (“eclectic”) on Lady London's show. Panel both cringes and laughs at his effort to impress, breaking down gender and social dynamics.
  • Quote:

    “In this climate, to really appreciate the creativity, to be able to appreciate the wordsmith...nouns, verbs, similes, metaphors.” – Cam Newton, as read by Joe (89:10)

  • Discussion of male egos, social expectation, "go-to moves," and the inability to handle being outwitted by a sharp woman.

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11. Contemporary Relationships, Clout, and Social Media

• Time: 97:00–100:00
• Open conversation about how social media, clout, and public relationships shift dating/game dynamics.
  • On “serving up” your partner:

    “She’s serving herself up to her 8,600 followers and that 86 gonna go to 286,000 in a month…” – Joe Budden (58:56)

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12. New York City: Public Restrooms Policy

• Time: 108:10–114:45
• NYC Mayor’s policy to open public restrooms hailed as a quality-of-life improvement, with the hosts riffing on the daily struggles of city living, the indignity of paying to pee, and aging male bladders.
  • “There’s not a year in my 40s where I haven’t pissed on myself.” – Joe Budden (109:22)

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13. Dipset Drama – Dame Dash vs. Jim Jones

• Time: 115:03–119:13
• Old footage emerges of a near-fight between Dame Dash and Jim Jones, sparking regrets about airing out old beef and calls for honoring relationships.
  • “Honor over content is, like, the opposite of what this world is.” – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (118:01)

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14. "Honor Over Content" & Accountability Culture

• Time: 117:40
• Juelz Santana’s (cryptic) silence about Dipset drama is praised as “honor over content”—the group reflects on when it’s better not to speak just for content’s sake.

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15. NBA: "Let 'Em Fight"

• Time: 119:40–124:56
• Dennis Schroder vs. Luka Dončić off-court scuffle is debated, with Joe (humorously) calling for more NBA one-on-one fights:
  • “The NBA should adopt some of that hockey [rules]...pause the game [and just] let them fight!” – Joe Budden (122:28)

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16. YouTube Creators & Drewski Praise

• Time: 145:06–148:23
• Major praise for Drewski’s sketch comedy, with Joe and crew wishing streaming services would take YouTubers more seriously and invest in Black comedians at the ground level.

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17. Religion: Comedy, Scams, and Tithing

• Time: 157:01–163:56
• Drewski’s viral 'Black Pastor' sketch prompts a serious conversation about prosperity gospel, church hustlers, tithing, and the fine line between faith and manipulation.
  • “I’ve watched poor people give their last dollar to somebody who has a jet, literally. And that’s my issue.” – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill (161:52)
• Joe shares a more positive personal experience with his own church community.

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18. Virality & Apology Culture: “Gone Girl” in Real Life

• Time: 164:14–168:35
• The group discusses the story of Linda Brown (Chicago teacher), whose disappearance became a viral true-crime case—and the perils of social media “detective” culture wrongly blaming her husband before facts emerged.
  • “I do respect the people that’s coming out and apologizing to this man.” – Joe Budden (167:42)

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19. NFL: Mike Tomlin Steps Down

• Time: 169:49–174:30
• Reaction to Steelers coach Mike Tomlin’s exit after 19 years, and broader chat about respect, organizational class, and coaches in transition.

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20. Jocelyn Hernandez’s Sobriety Milestone

• Time: 175:01–177:29
• Joe and crew offer sincere congratulations to Jocelyn Hernandez for being three years cocaine-free—but also reflect (with classic JBP irreverence) on her legendary reality TV antics when “coked up Jocelyn” was “first ballot hall of fame.”

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21. New York Radio Shake-Up: Mero as Hot 97 Morning Host

• Time: 101:36–104:46
• Mero (formerly of Desus & Mero) is announced as the new Hot 97 Morning Show lead; panel laughs about industry turnover and “who really won the breakup.”

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22. Final Wrap: Compliments, Growth, & Reflections

• Time: 190:05–End
• Jokes circle back to the opening theme: men’s discomfort with compliments. There's light banter about group chemistry, upcoming events, and gratitude for the audience.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [01:37] Dr. Mark Lamont Hill:
  "Why we can't give you a compliment?"
• [37:00] Teyana Taylor (Golden Globes speech):
  "Our softness is not...our depth is not...too much. Our light does not need permission to shine."
• [68:08] Flip:
  "If the greatest film awards...were a bunch of shit no one’s ever heard of...you’d be like, what the fuck is this award ceremony?"
• [109:22] Joe Budden:
  “There’s not a year in my 40s where I haven’t pissed on myself.”
• [118:01] Dr. Mark Lamont Hill:
  "Honor over content is, like, the opposite of what this world is."
• [161:52] Dr. Mark Lamont Hill:
  “I’ve watched poor people give their last dollar to somebody who has a jet, literally. And that’s my issue.”
• [157:01] Dr. Mark Lamont Hill:
  “If Drew Ski had done this about Muslims or Jews...I’d be just as funny. It’s not about religion for me. It’s about people who prey on people who ain’t got nothing.”
• [175:24] Jocelyn Hernandez (read by Joe Budden):
  “I thank God every day I didn’t lose my life to the white girl. Young girls—it’s not a game, and it is not worth it.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:37] — Why can’t men accept/give compliments?
• [13:28] — (Humorous) shout outs to all marital statuses & kinds
• [33:00–47:00] — Golden Globes discussion & Teyana Taylor’s speech
• [66:25] — Frustration at the Podcast Awards
• [69:07–86:30] — Football/Sports recap
• [86:32–94:00] — Cam Newton/Lady London viral vocabulary fail
• [109:22] — Joe Budden on aging bladders & NYC restrooms
• [115:03–119:13] — Dipset drama: Dame Dash vs. Jim Jones video
• [161:52] — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill on prosperity gospel and church hustle
• [167:42] — Social media apology culture (Linda Brown case)
• [175:01] — Jocelyn Hernandez celebrates sobriety

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Flow and Tone

• Tone is irreverent, raw, and humorous—panelists weave seamlessly between serious debates (race, justice, abuse, public policy), cultural commentary, and gut-busting jokes.
• Regular sidebars, quick pivots, and the in-jokes typical of longtime friends, balanced with thoughtful reflection.
• Even most serious topics are approached with clear attribution and direct, relatable language, preserving the natural cadence and banter of the show.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• This episode exemplifies the JBP’s mix of culture, current events, comedy, and sports, with standouts like the Golden Globes recap, the viral “eclectic” blunder, and the honest, self-aware look at male ego.
• The chemistry is on full display: sometimes teasing, sometimes supportive, sometimes spinning off into wild tangents, but always bringing things back to the key question—“What does this mean for us and our world?”

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Note: Skipped advertisements and intro/outro formalities as requested.

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Turn this on, yo. Peace, love, health, wealth, all of the good stuff. Welcome. Welcome. If it's your first time here and you knew, just sit back and shut the up. Don't be too loud and opinionated. First rip. Shout out to the hate listeners. Couldn't have gotten this far without y'. All. Shout out to the day ones. The first and last time listeners. Yada, yada, yada, yada. Yo, why, as men, can't we accept compliments or compliment each other?

[Ish]

We can win a compliment.

[Flip]

Oh, I don't think it was that. I think wise men. Can't we acknowledge when our wives be.

[Joe Button]

Looking out that part, too. Yeah, that part. Yeah. Park smoked that. Yeah.

[Ish]

That was a totally different conversation, what they were saying. But we said you looked.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, missing peace.

[Joe Button]

Dress shoe. First of all, hello to everybody in the building.

[Flip]

Peace, Peace.

[Joe Button]

Peace. I'm back in the building. Peace. I'm good. It's all right. Yeah, it's all right. Don't be extra. You say that. You say that. You say that. You say that for over there. Don't be extra. I'm good. Yo, it feels good to be back. Feels good to be in the building. Fresh energy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good to see you.

[Joe Button]

Thank you. Good to see you as well. I'm watching you, too. Good to be in here. We stated that. He stated your missing piece. Put it together. I said your freeze look good. And as soon as we gave you that compliment, you got defensive. Why we can't give you a compliment?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, you look handsome.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you look handsome.

[Ish]

Well, thank you.

[Joe Button]

You're welcome. See, bed is clear. You shaped that shit up. Got the werewolf fix. I look good today, audience. And we was just trying to tell him, and he got his fucking. He got all fucking tighten the face at us. Oh, oh, okay. So I was trying to identify. I'm like, yo, my girl dress me sometimes, like, when I go shopping, I'll FaceTime her. Like, hey, babe.

[Flip]

Like, look, I wrote all my. About my baby.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

What do you think about this shirt?

[Joe Button]

I shoot when I'm by myself shopping. I mean, the audience know I probably shoot 33% from. From. From the field. 33% from the field. It's cool. I still won best dress on you, y'. All. Anyway. Freeze. You look good. That's what we were trying to say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why. Why they get a you? For the. For the compliment.

[Ish]

It wasn't a compliment. It's a backhanded compliment. So it's. It's a.

[Joe Button]

That's all what's backhanded about it?

[Ish]

I put this together.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Ish]

That's what it was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So.

[Joe Button]

And.

[Ish]

And because of that, I know you didn't.

[Joe Button]

Okay. No, you didn't. Okay. No, you didn't.

[Ish]

I'm not doing it with y' all today.

[Joe Button]

But that's. But that's how we started with Parks. Question, which is, what was it?

[Flip]

Why can't we acknowledge when our wives be looking out?

[Ish]

My baby bought me a pair of sneakers. I love these sneakers, and they're nice. She want me a couple pair of these.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Thank you. That is not putting together an outfit.

[Flip]

She helped her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go for it.

[Ish]

I have. She did 92 pair of sneakers right now. And I go in and say all of those opposites.

[Joe Button]

All those opposites, boy. All of them young men.

[Ish]

No, they're not. No, they're not.

[Joe Button]

I hate men. No, they're not. You get flickity. You get flickity.

[Ish]

Listen, man, I'm dressed for work. Let's. Let's. Let's work. Let's work. I'm here to work. The people don't want to sit here and hear y' all talk about me dressing. They think I can't dress anyway. That's not what they're here for.

[Joe Button]

They thought you couldn't dress, but they.

[Ish]

Stepped it up here for that.

[Joe Button]

We here to work. I saw your old boy. I saw how your work was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You stepped your work up.

[Ish]

Well, I wish you would do it.

[Joe Button]

Step.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't do it.

[Ish]

All right, well, let's work. Let's work.

[Joe Button]

I'm a human worker. When I work in the building, I'm a human worker.

[Flip]

N stop. You be dazzled nicely today.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying you can bring it about me if you want to, but I'm not.

[Ish]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Joe Button]

I'm on your ass now. I'm on your ass.

[Ish]

Well, you can do that. I'm here to work. We have a nice board here.

[Joe Button]

Get straight. I'm in a good mood, and I got some. That ain't on the board, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We got in there.

[Joe Button]

That ain't on the board. We got in the t. No, he.

[Ish]

He said him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I got in the tongue.

[Ish]

Okay, there you go. There you go. You don't have to attach to him.

[Joe Button]

Be you. Where were flip queen Flip? Where. Where were you? Where were you when you got the call? I never got a call that hot was going a different direction. Oh, shit. That hot was going a different direction. I didn't get a call about hot going in a different direction. All right, where were you when you saw the email?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't get an email.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Where were you when you got the text? That hot? Are you trying to say. I was trying to pitch myself. I was there. I was gonna go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard you were in the.

[Joe Button]

In the round. Are you trying to say, like, yo, you don't know my business.

[Ish]

That's why you put the o skits.

[Joe Button]

So corny.

[Ish]

I didn't even catch that.

[Joe Button]

You don't know, but you don't know my business, though. That's number one. Number two, talk to me. Number two, at the end of the day, hot wouldn't. Your business is tight around here. So hot wouldn't approach me. I can't do that. I'm just too solid to do that. If I am going to make a move, it'll be when I'm. It's time to make a move and it's not during the time that I'm on here, my brother, who's the solid? Who's the Sol? So fix, fix. How you describe it? Don't touch me. Who you think is the solidus? After you?

[Ish]

Ish.

[Joe Button]

And after ish, you last. I love you. It feels good to be back. It feels good to see all you guys smile, at least.

[Ish]

Yeah, he was back.

[Joe Button]

No, you know, I went to Minnesota. I went to Columbus, right, For the setup.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We walk right into that every week.

[Joe Button]

Right? For the setup. Content, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I felt for that too, back.

[Joe Button]

Where were you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad you asked.

[Ish]

I wasn't even gonna say nothing.

[Joe Button]

I get my shit off, I gotta promote one man, these sucker ass niggas.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, yo, I fell into that shit, too. Wasn't he just here last week?

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Joe Button]

Nah, this. What's up with you, man?

[Ish]

Good day, sir.

[Joe Button]

How you feeling? I'm good. Good, good, good, good, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good. I feel good.

[Joe Button]

Y' all on?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel great.

[Joe Button]

They can't trick me. They on total bullshit.

[Ish]

Well, I think anytime. Mark, sit down. He on bullshit. I've gotten to that point with my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. I started before the camera even got.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You been trapping you good. You got the hustler, yo. You got the hustler ambition. Look, Nigga, no haircut. You good.

[Ish]

He been outside.

[Joe Button]

Boy, you been on the block for four days. You good.

[Ish]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

Go clean yourself up before you come to work. Boy, don't ever come to work. Pardon me. You next? I've been up since like 3:15am why?

[Ish]

Why?

[Joe Button]

Well, I went to bed early. My nap time. My nap time's off. So it would have been like six for the night. Seven.

[Flip]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

Yeah, I can't do. I can't do two.

[Joe Button]

I woke up at three, mad, chipper, with nobody to talk to. I had all the energy in the world.

[Flip]

That's why I don't do that.

[Joe Button]

I could have got dressed and went.

[Flip]

I'd be boring. At 3 o' clock in the morning, I don't want to be up there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like it. I get up at 5 and I like it because nobody's talking to me. I can get.

[Joe Button]

I do like the piece.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Only this morning I felt lonely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Today I slept at seven, though. I was. I went out and had a couple drinks. This knocked me smooth the out. I. I had this. My son woke me up, in fact, him screaming like I. It felt good to get seven hours, man.

[Joe Button]

What you sipping on, though?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What did I have? I had a. I had Bacardi and Coke. Then I had Basic.

[Joe Button]

I can tell you. He seemed like a Bacardi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then I had a vodka cranberry.

[Joe Button]

All right, never mind, never mind, never mind.

[Flip]

Forget I asked.

[Joe Button]

Buddy.

[Flip]

Why didn't you make the Bacardi?

[Ish]

I forgot they even make Bacardi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was at that spot. Where was your dick at the time?

[Joe Button]

Be a, man.

[Ish]

I don't know your spot, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't?

[Joe Button]

Okay. You know, he don't know no Haitian spot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true. It's in the hood. You they. Yeah.

[Ish]

That was good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was good to be outside. It was.

[Joe Button]

Be good to be outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got a good night's sleep and everything, man.

[Joe Button]

Bacardi.

[Ish]

What the is wrong with drinking Bacardi a lot?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, what kind of rum do you drink?

[Ish]

20, 26.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was a hood spot. It wasn't like they had a lot of options.

[Flip]

I'm not mad at the Bacardi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a choice.

[Flip]

A Bacardi and Coke is a strange choice.

[Joe Button]

It's on brand to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just basic.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Drinking a Basic, that's like the first drink you get when you order when you're 12.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It still tastes good. You should be on my side.

[Joe Button]

Ice, not.

[Ish]

Not with Bacardi, fam. I can't. I can't.

[Flip]

Bacardi and juice. I can see a little pineapple, little.

[Joe Button]

Cranberry marker with Bacardi jeans. And I think nothing of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing of it.

[Joe Button]

Not nothing of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And not once with a bat in the ass pocket. Yeah.

[Flip]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

Man.

[Flip]

Mojito, maybe something. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you're gonna do the Bacardi, right there. This vacation spot in the hood.

[Ish]

You got a permission slip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I was out with her girlfriend's home, her husband.

[Ish]

Oh, they set you up with the. Y' all can go out. You had an ish pass.

[Flip]

Sometimes it goes. Well, sometimes that goes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, how quick. How quick do you mention. So we was out having a drink, and then these girls came over and started talking. And she. And she. They make a small talk.

[Joe Button]

Talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And the game was on. Steelers game was on. I don't know if you saw it.

[Joe Button]

I saw it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My condolences. And they. Then she was like, so why you. Why do you live out here? And I could have gave a few answers. I could have said, work. I could have said, I'm out here. I said, my wife completely ended the conversation. Wasn't necessarily the plan. But I was also okay, getting that out the way early so that, you know. How quick do y' all mention y' all married or got a girl in those kind of exchanges when you're talking to random women outside.

[Ish]

I don't talk to random women outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, people walk up to you. You famous.

[Joe Button]

I'm just playing. Do they know my Instagram?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And I'm talking shit for content purposes only. I'm not about to let Mark get me in trouble. Do that. Know my Instagram.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They probably.

[Joe Button]

I try to say. I try to say it pretty early.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pretty early.

[Joe Button]

I do as well. I try to let it be known.

[Flip]

Yeah, I wear a ring anyway, so hopefully some.

[Ish]

Oh, shit, that's true.

[Joe Button]

Stunt. Yeah, well, that stops things.

[Flip]

No, it doesn't stop things.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually, I didn't have. Ironically, I didn't have mine on, but not.

[Joe Button]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ironically or. My wife went out with the bro. Not a ring on.

[Ish]

I hear you.

[Joe Button]

Wait, I don't know if y' all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Heard I was coming from the gym. That's why.

[Joe Button]

Hey, you mute up. I don't know if y' all heard the lies in this story from way earlier than this point. From way earlier than this point, but I'm letting him get his married man shit off.

[Ish]

Oh, she watch early.

[Joe Button]

That's right, dog. Stop it. The married guy out Talking to the people that's right there. That's being nice and attractive, girl. And they asking you, why do you do. He didn't mention they're attractive.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't see beauty. I don't know. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

Why you the first nigga to see some beauty? You can see beauty from around the corner, boy. Yeah. This guy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, this.

[Joe Button]

I told her I was married.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I did, though.

[Ish]

What she's doing out here?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife, she said, like, why do you. Why do you live out here? So it was like. It's hard to explain. My wife is from here.

[Joe Button]

Do y' all think that that ends things slow? For the most part today?

[Flip]

A lot of times it doesn't.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Button]

And I promise I'm gonna start soon. No.

[Flip]

A lot of times it doesn't.

[Joe Button]

That make them be on, dog. If I put a. Let me shut up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm about to look off.

[Ish]

I didn't say a word. I didn't say nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Funny, man.

[Joe Button]

What do you think, dog?

[Ish]

That don't stop nothing. And that's. You said today. It's never stopped nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It stops a little bit.

[Ish]

I mean, it. It. It stops a percentage. It stops the classy ones.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It depends on your followup. Right. If you are still a little bit friendly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Then it doesn't stop a thing. If you say and be kind of cold, then it stops everything.

[Joe Button]

What if somebody wants to.

[Ish]

You and your wife.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a different conversation.

[Joe Button]

How?

[Flip]

It could be part of the same conversation.

[Joe Button]

The exact same conversation.

[Ish]

Yeah, but if they don't.

[Joe Button]

If.

[Ish]

If he's meeting a girl at the bar, she don't know what his wife look like. She don't know any of that. So that might not be.

[Flip]

But she might not give a. About that part. She might be in for.

[Joe Button]

He got to get a. Yo. All right, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that didn't happen.

[Joe Button]

Some niggas that get approval from their wife. You know what I'm saying? So. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To have sex with other people. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

No, no. Not have sex with a p. I mean, to bring somebody else into the bedroom.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. We don't do that. So it wasn't an issue. But for people that do. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Flip]

Both of those things exist, by the way, which is why sometimes, if you're still friendly with the girl, sometimes she don't care because you might have open relationship. You might do threesomes. You might.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Flip]

It's not necessarily a sword to the neck. It depends on your. Your temperament afterwards.

[Ish]

You might want your sword.

[Joe Button]

Yo, for the record. Shout out to all the married couples listening out there. Shout out for y' all that got married just by the. The law that if you live together and jump a broom, yada, yada.

[Ish]

Common law.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, common law. You just now seven years. Shout out to y' all that live together and want to un. Unlive together. Some of y' all are miserable. Shout out to the miserable people out there. Shout out to everybody in love, out of love, headed to love, looking for love, or in love with themselves. Man. How about that?

[Flip]

There you go.

[Joe Button]

How about that? Come on. It's a good one. Come on, man. Huh? You're a rapper. I really wanted to hear your thoughts on that last topic, but I didn't want to make it seem like I was focusing on. Hyper focusing on.

[Ish]

It don't matter. Like nowadays. And you said only nowadays.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How quick do you get out there?

[Joe Button]

No, I mean, yeah, yeah, like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like if you out. Don't do that.

[Joe Button]

Like that. Yo, y' all love Mark. These can't do.

[Ish]

Like, they can't stop the train. What's up? What's your question?

[Joe Button]

Wait, Paul, Paul, you be in the train.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How do we.

[Joe Button]

I'll walk right into it. It's pa. Oh, stay careful. Closing doors, please. I was asking for more of a personal testimony.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like, like, like if you out and Shirley's like, why do you live here? Or ask a question where you can answer my girl, but you don't have to answer my girl.

[Ish]

So how quick do you get to that early When. Even when I was. Even when I was cheating. Any girl that I cheated with knew I had a girlfriend. So that don't stop nobody conversation if that's where they want to go.

[Joe Button]

Fuck these niggas talking about, boy.

[Ish]

Who they thought that was?

[Joe Button]

Stop playing Light skinned Hope. Nigga, what are you talking about? Stop playing. I'm asking more. So like, how often do you find yourself in those situations? My man said don't ask no more.

[Ish]

As you already know in the room knows, I don't initiate conversations with women. So if a woman come flip your.

[Flip]

Whole ass crack in the camera too.

[Ish]

Nigga, move the camera.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you want some of my what? I didn't mean it like that. I didn't mean it like that. First of all, I lost way more weight than you N. And I don't have to take Zempy. I'm in the gym. I'm outside, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How we get there?

[Ish]

We don't gotta. That's what you talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is you after losing weight.

[Joe Button]

I'm outside, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, see, I gotta ignore you. I gotta ignore you, man.

[Joe Button]

I see it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Flip.

[Flip]

I see it.

[Joe Button]

There wasn't as many. I gotta ignore him.

[Flip]

There wasn't as much ass this time as there usually is. Yeah, so I see it's working.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Hopefully you get it on camera because.

[Ish]

Your crack was shorter crack this time.

[Flip]

Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of flip crack over my years.

[Joe Button]

What's your target? Yo, back. Yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's fun.

[Joe Button]

Yo. That is wild. Y' all make it. We got a production back to you. He tried to escape. Yeah, not even close. Talk to them.

[Ish]

I'm going. I ain't running away.

[Joe Button]

Talk to them. Ish. My question wasn't about how many times you initiate the conversation. My question was, how many times do you find yourself in that situation? Meaning? Come on. I know how this goes.

[Ish]

No, your original question.

[Joe Button]

It could be Chatty Patty, girls around. It's the girl didn't know who you are, peeking from afar. The girl that is saying a waitress of it. Girls. Come on, man.

[Ish]

No, you said, how soon do you do that?

[Joe Button]

No, no, that was Mark's question.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

My question was just how often do you find yourself, like, in that type?

[Ish]

Not a lot. No, not really. Got it.

[Joe Button]

See, that's it. That's it, man. Come on.

[Ish]

Like, girls don't necessarily push that much nowadays. These, they not as aggressive. Some of them.

[Flip]

Strong. Disagree. But I mean, we highly disagree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How.

[Joe Button]

How much you trying to get off on the broadcast? The girls ain't. I haven't had. Yo, that ain't even happening out there.

[Ish]

I haven't had girls push up on me in a very long time.

[Flip]

I don't believe.

[Joe Button]

Not outside that much.

[Ish]

I don't be outside that much, but I have work shut off. Intimidates women.

[Joe Button]

He looks intimidating. No, he don't. That. Why you curse to be out with your face. I'm looking at you to see if.

[Flip]

You intimidating to look and see if you are.

[Joe Button]

Let me see Auntie Andy. Yo, look at me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the c. What's your problem?

[Joe Button]

A problem? Do you think you're intimidating or a pop turtle?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Open your eyes, boy.

[Joe Button]

All right, I'm done with this.

[Ish]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Joe Button]

We can't hyperfocus on any member here. Whatever he said, I agree with. I stand by girls. Ain't even doing that no more. People love since 97. You a magnet, you. You now fasted.

[Ish]

No, I don't. I'll take your work.

[Joe Button]

Are you crazy? You know how many times you gotta go?

[Ish]

Know how many times a nigga got.

[Joe Button]

To defend his fucking relationship, stature or position in the relationship? Just because a girl ain't stopping, nigga ain't do shit.

[Ish]

I wouldn't know.

[Joe Button]

Here she come every day doing some shit. You know how many people are cheating? This just went out, and I promise, I'm starting to. Went out the other day about how the nurses are in the hospitals.

[Flip]

So it was a meme.

[Joe Button]

Sucking some dick. I heard her. Yeah, I heard about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Joe Button]

Sucking nigga dick. I heard about that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, what's the story?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Percentages are very, very, very high. Infidelity, one and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And two.

[Joe Button]

That workplace, your workplace is where all the infidelity is happening.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's two separate points.

[Joe Button]

Hospitals and workplace.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can see that makes sense.

[Ish]

I can see it, I think.

[Flip]

Is it nurses, teachers, flight attendants, teachers, Teachers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When I was a teacher. When I was a teacher, I used to see a lot of the older. The old people have, like, whole relationships.

[Flip]

I get all. Teaching my wife working.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was. I mean, yeah. I mean, they had, like, wives. I so. But I'm saying, like, they had, like, wives, and then they have, like, a white. Like, a work wife, and they really go on dates and all that. And be in the school.

[Flip]

Them teachers be.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, shout out to the teachers.

[Ish]

That's how you got your PhD.

[Joe Button]

Wow. Gotcha. That's how I know I'm a little bit toxic. Because on the private jets, when you get on them and the stewardess girl be on there, you be like.

[Ish]

It's a little bit.

[Joe Button]

I can see this.

[Ish]

Jay Z. Yo, Jay Z.

[Joe Button]

Just be in your head, like. Or you. You a stewardess. That's bad. Right?

[Ish]

Right?

[Joe Button]

That's bad.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's definitely bad.

[Joe Button]

That's bad. Look, it is bad. Don't do that. We gotta grow up. That's bad. I'm not rolling with y'. All.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, dog, I hate this podcast. Beat everybody in a relationship. You not gonna get on the thing. It's a cute stewardess to be like, yo, I knock your head off if I was single. That's not what he's saying.

[Flip]

That's not what he's saying.

[Ish]

That is what he's saying.

[Joe Button]

That ain't what I'm saying.

[Ish]

That's not what he's saying. Oh, what'd you say?

[Flip]

He's implying that the women that work on the private jets may live maybe.

[Joe Button]

Two different lifestyles, maybe full service.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I think they do that in Delta, too.

[Joe Button]

But you don't got me on a private. United Stewardesses getting at you. All right.

[Flip]

We could start the podcast.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but y' all be for buddy passes. And so I'm done talking. I'm done talking to y'. All. Give a a joke, y', all, for them companion passes. Wow.

[Flip]

Bougie as hell now, right?

[Joe Button]

Yo, dog, yo, that ain't talked about enough too. The things that is out here for.

[Ish]

Hey, y', all, let me tell you something. My.

[Joe Button]

The trade off, right? Yeah.

[Flip]

The car to drive.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to y' all out there. What up, boy?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Where the pretty ones at? JetBlue.

[Joe Button]

Where's that? Nah, it's heat on JetBlue. Is heat on JetBlue.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know. I feel like y' all got something to say about this.

[Joe Button]

No. Mute up. New one cow.

[Ish]

I'mma let him rock.

[Flip]

He does have a buddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now you.

[Joe Button]

Got a companion joint.

[Flip]

Oh, shit, that's cool. You gotta do extra for the companion, right?

[Ish]

I just don't feel like it today.

[Joe Button]

Oh, boy. Let's have a good day.

[Ish]

I'm gonna let you rock then.

[Joe Button]

Let's have a good day. I did good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was a warning shot. Let's have a good time.

[Ish]

Coming to you live from the city of Houston, Vegas.

[Joe Button]

One of the best summers of my life. Big jersey. Big jersey. Old new york city. Shout out to everybody in florida right now.

[Ish]

Where my roof just go. I'm somebody that you should know.

[Joe Button]

Get to shaking something. Cause that's what drama produces for. Yes.

[Ish]

I make mistakes that I don't ever make excuses. Shout everybody.

[Joe Button]

The Carolinas on the sub group.

[Ish]

Money over everything. You looking like money.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking about real money. Oh, atl, what's going on out there?

[Ish]

My bed looking like a bag of money. I go and get it and I, I let a count it for me. How good?

[Joe Button]

All the ladies all wait for the ladies.

[Ish]

My bad. Looking like a bag of money. That dad looking like a bag of money I go and get it and I let her count it for me, bro.

[Joe Button]

A good.

[Ish]

And she always riding for me. She got me caught up in the moment Got me caught up in the moment she got me caught up in the morning Got me caught up in the morning I only kiss her when she on it. My bed looking like a bag of money that bad.

[Joe Button]

Looking like a bag of money.

[Ish]

I go and get it and I let her count it for me I fuck a puddy. See how he drives?

[Joe Button]

Funny, funny, funny. Yes, sir.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you remember.

[Joe Button]

That October? Everybody on vacation right now. Everybody in the car right now. Another one of the best Summers of my life. Mic check 12. Mic check 12. Welcome to the greatest show. Moving. Let me get these drops out the way real quick. Get right into the procedures, right into the proceedings. New Flip, flip, flip and Flip is in the building. What episode is this?

[Flip]

894.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 894 of the JBP. I am your fucking host, Joe Button. Happy to be here. Happy to see you guys. Happy to be in good spirits. To my right, big queens, flip queens. Get the money in the building. Yes, sir.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What up, what up, what up?

[Joe Button]

Next to him, Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building next to him.

[Ish]

Mr.

[Joe Button]

Thousand Doors and Up Ish is in the building next to him. I threw this on myself. Stop playing with me. Big Freeze Ice is in the building next to him. King Elmira. Big Parks is in the building. Poe is in the building. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Last but certain, Tavon, Savon and Tanner are here by remote. Last but not least, certainly all of you guys are here with us. So happy y' all could be here. This broadcast is brought to you by Fuel by Power by presented by Prize Pick Price Fix Gang.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, what's poppin in here?

[Joe Button]

What's going on?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My condolences. First of all, I heard the news about starlets.

[Joe Button]

Ah, man. What happened? Oh, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The word on the street is that it's. I hate circles.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, look at the word on the street from the doctor.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No explanation.

[Ish]

I was closing. No explanation.

[Joe Button]

Listen, that was a big deal in my world. I thought it was.

[Ish]

I bet.

[Joe Button]

I didn't want to come in with just regional stuff here, but. Yeah, Starlinson's closed.

[Ish]

Like, done.

[Joe Button]

Maybe it's renovation.

[Ish]

Shut down.

[Joe Button]

No, I mean, they say they're renovating.

[Ish]

But it's one of them.

[Joe Button]

You gonna just close out the blue for a week or two?

[Ish]

Oh, no. Yeah, you would.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, no, you would.

[Ish]

No, you would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But without telling you this.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Without telling Joe. That's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the crazy part.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Flip]

You gotta get clearances first, right?

[Joe Button]

Abrupt. So, yeah. No, I just think about Joe and the crypto, dude.

[Ish]

I think about it.

[Joe Button]

It's the top of the year. So all of those, your staff at Starlitz, they don't let you work anywhere else. So now you close for two weeks. What is your staff supposed to do during that time? Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Ish]

They don't allow.

[Joe Button]

No, you can't work in Realm.

[Ish]

You could do some mood lighting in there, though.

[Flip]

You could do some mood lighting, man.

[Ish]

Give it Two weeks. Two weeks. A lot for some motherfuckers. Them niggas gonna be in a basement somewhere in the store.

[Flip]

I do have a nice.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Ish]

Take it back to co days.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, exactly. How y' all doing, though, man? How y' all doing? Are y' all smelling good? You feeling good? You're looking good. Everybody texting you is cool? Everybody straight. Everybody don't know why. Nothing from y'. All. Ain't nobody being a bugaboo in your spirit. Anybody sending harassing emails? Anybody out there owe y' all some money? Anybody we gotta sue? Homeboy down south? I'm suing the out of you. You wait till I get a minute to write an email. Female. I am suing the kawazu. What's. What's the word for you, buddy? Yeah, you parks. Yeah, yeah, I'm suing somebody. That.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who you doing, huh?

[Joe Button]

Who you doing, homeboy down south? Yeah, I'm definitely suing somebody. Enough. It's too look like too much fun on the Internet.

[Ish]

I'm getting. I'm getting bullied, yo. Yeah, you'd be feeling powerless.

[Joe Button]

Squatters. Squatters playing with you.

[Ish]

Contractors. No.

[Joe Button]

Some house, though. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Yo, you start feeling powerless, you be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Want to let me know if you need a good attorney? Oh, I got one.

[Ish]

I got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got all the right credentials.

[Ish]

Yo, you want to go down south, right?

[Joe Button]

No, I just sent my dad down here.

[Ish]

No, you want to do some ghost?

[Joe Button]

Ghost? Yeah, that's the old school way, you know? What? You playing?

[Ish]

You playing. I got to. I got something for you.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but you can't do that. It's fine.

[Ish]

No, no, it's too much. Too much.

[Joe Button]

All right. I'm glad nobody. Nobody is tugging on you guys spirit like that.

[Ish]

I had a car accident over the weekend, David. My car's total. But really, family's good, though. That's all I care about.

[Flip]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

What happened?

[Ish]

Somebody blew an intersection, and I tried to swerve and hit him, but couldn't.

[Joe Button]

Sheesh.

[Flip]

Sideswipe.

[Ish]

Not. No, no, no. Direct, like, almost T bone. But because I swerved, I caught them at the rear of the car.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, wow.

[Ish]

But, yeah, airbags deployed. I had to. It was. It was airbags out. All of the airbags. Like, that was like a. A giant canopy or something.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I couldn't get out the car. I'm, like, fighting through this, but I just rushed and, you know, got everybody out, made sure everybody was straight.

[Flip]

Yeah, the car full.

[Ish]

Yeah, carful.

[Flip]

That's scary.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's. That's all I was worried about.

[Joe Button]

That's scary. I'm glad.

[Ish]

I'm glad everybody's fine.

[Joe Button]

That's the important part. That's. That's scary stuff. It was.

[Ish]

That was a little. Little scary scy.

[Joe Button]

That's scary stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Excuse you used about a s class.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

About say he about to step it up now.

[Ish]

Pardon me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We need something safer.

[Joe Button]

My apologies.

[Ish]

No, sir. Well, yeah, that's it. I'm straight. I'm straight.

[Flip]

Volvo then. We're supposed to be very safe. Subaru.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Subaru's great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fantastic.

[Joe Button]

Let's. Let's expose him, cuz. I agree with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

I didn't even think about you.

[Ish]

My.

[Joe Button]

I didn't even think of that niggas Holy shit To himself when he. No, I didn't even. I didn't even say freeze. Got a scam going on.

[Flip]

I'm so paranoid.

[Joe Button]

I seen too many docs. Crazy. Freeze. Are you crazy? I don't believe that. He'll put everybody in D to get the escort. I don't believe that. Yo. No, you're not.

[Ish]

Freeze.

[Joe Button]

Don't stop that. Oh, you got a picture.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody's car.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's mine.

[Ish]

Front end is up. Oh, wall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Tree. How long did they say it would take to fix it?

[Ish]

Total.

[Joe Button]

They about to write them off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Once your airbag's deployed, they don't really want to do nothing.

[Ish]

Come out somewhere. I just worked in insurance for a long time. He knows that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So of course he knew exactly what to do.

[Joe Button]

The trigger.

[Ish]

They got to hit it right here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stab in the air right here. How long take you to get another car?

[Joe Button]

So are you going to get the same car, same color?

[Ish]

No, I'm not.

[Joe Button]

So that's a whole different dealer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Some Alphabet's going to be involved.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

No, no, no. No Alphabet.

[Joe Button]

Alphabets.

[Ish]

Well, sir, no alphabets. I'm dead serious. No alphabets.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Ish]

I'm taking. You know, safety.

[Flip]

Safety is important.

[Ish]

Safety.

[Flip]

So Subaru.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Safety.

[Joe Button]

And thank God that you working out and was able to pull everybody out of there.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Everything y' all think. Everything I say y' all think is a joke. Everything I say y' all think is a joke.

[Ish]

I wonder why. I wonder why they think it's.

[Joe Button]

He's full of dolphin. I got you. Wait. Y' all heard him in the story. It was a serious story. After I fought through the airbag. Got anybody out the car. I pulled everybody out of the car.

[Ish]

Like Will Smith, Conan.

[Joe Button]

Hercules ass. I pulled everybody Out. We happy that everybody safe, man.

[Flip]

That's all it does.

[Joe Button]

That's all. Where do you gentlemen want to begin? And anywhere y' all want to start. We got. We got the Golden Globes.

[Flip]

We can start there.

[Joe Button]

La Reid, we have Cam Newton. What do you want to do?

[Flip]

Golden Globes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like to go to Globes.

[Flip]

Anybody watching?

[Joe Button]

I saw most of it.

[Flip]

Me too.

[Joe Button]

I saw most of it.

[Flip]

I watched the whole thing, actually. I was flipping back and forth between the game, but it wasn't much game.

[Ish]

It wasn't much game.

[Flip]

Yeah, it was a boring ass game. So I watched a lot more Golden Globes. Nikki Glaser did a great job hosting. I was cracking up. She has funny bars.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I'm a Nikki Glazer fan.

[Ish]

That's what I.

[Joe Button]

That's what I realized. What I remember.

[Ish]

I like her. She's a amazing.

[Joe Button]

I followed her on the gram. I'm. I'm gonna commit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's dope. I used to love with the roast, but, like, her standup is great. I used to love her at the, you know, all the roast.

[Joe Button]

She's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She's my kind of comedian. She never.

[Flip]

This was damn near a roast. Like, she was up there just killing.

[Joe Button]

It was a roast.

[Flip]

That whole. The A listers here, they're not a listers. They're on a list. That was funny.

[Joe Button]

That was bars. That was hilarious. That was bars. And the editing team and whatever she said about the emails being edited, that was hilarious. Her Leo joke, that I thought that was hilarious. I think she's hilarious.

[Flip]

She is.

[Ish]

She's super fun.

[Joe Button]

But most of the bits I enjoyed, for the most part, all of the little comedic.

[Flip]

I didn't love the voice of God, guys. I think. I think it was a good idea. It was just the wrong people, like their little snarky jokes while people were walking up and all that was like, I see what you were trying to do. It was just the wrong snarky people.

[Ish]

It ain't hit right.

[Flip]

Yeah, it was a mess.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A girl got the big award.

[Flip]

Yeah. She was the first big winner. Best supporting actress, I believe, is the. Is the full.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Best supporting actress. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a big deal and a surprise to a lot of people. You know, these awards don't always get it right. They don't always support us. You know what I mean? So she seemed genuinely surprised.

[Ish]

You know, I think she was. I don't think she. Yeah, I think she was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. When I watched her give her speech and she was like, you know, I almost didn't even write one like, you could tell that was genuine. Like, she, you know, really wasn't sure she was going to get it. But it was so great to see her win.

[Ish]

I love seeing that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love seeing her win, period.

[Ish]

It was just great. Yeah, she seemed just. She seemed overwhelmed, like, sincerely overwhelmed.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So that's. That's. That's a flaw thing to see.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's beautiful.

[Joe Button]

I'm trying to find the speech. I'm sure I have it here somewhere. Where, let's see, where is that speech?

[Ish]

Saw a bunch of hate. I'm just gonna see hate regardless at this point.

[Joe Button]

Hating on her.

[Ish]

Yeah, well, I didn't see. She was only in the movie for 15 minutes. How she went best supporting actress like that. I only got about a half an hour through it and she. Oh, she was in it for sure. About a half an hour.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Maybe longer.

[Flip]

But she played a key role.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

People make up new rules when they don't like, when they hate. She was only that. First of all, you ain't never terrors, right?

[Flip]

I have the speech, Joe, if you want me.

[Joe Button]

Please, please. Thank you.

[Ish]

Shouts to her.

[Joe Button]

I wouldn't listen. I wouldn't care if she deserve it or not.

[Ish]

My party in the back.

[Joe Button]

That she always going to slay the dress. Absolutely slay that dress. Oh, my babies.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My babies are upstairs watching.

[Joe Button]

Y' all better be off them damn phones and watching me, right? Can you pause this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, of course.

[Joe Button]

At this point, at this point in the speech, how erect do you think Leo was?

[Ish]

You seen. You seen what she looked like? You seen the dress?

[Joe Button]

I thank you and I praise you for every part of this faith walk, every lesson, every test, and every blessing. Leo, on that tt. Thank you, the Golden Globe voters, for showing me and reminding me that prayer purpose always find this moment. To my mommy and my daddy. It's up for y' all anytime. I love y' all so much. Thank you for being here with me tonight. To my tribe. Oh, my God. My grounding force, my joy, my daily reminder that love is an action, not just the word. And everything I do is rooted in that truth. Take that, Mufasa cook. Thomas Anderson. Thank you for your vision, your trust, and your brilliance. My gratitude is endless. I love you. We love you. And thank you so much for holding space for me and our entire cast. Leo, Shawn, Benicio, Chase, Regina, everybody, every. The crew, every single person who has touched this project. None of this is taken lightly and none of this is taken for granted. Oh, my God. This shit is heavy. Pam, Mike, Warner Brothers. Sarah, Cassandra, the Tina Lee, wme. This whole journey would not exist without you and your support. I love you and I thank you so much. And last but most importantly, to my brown sisters and little brown girls, talk about it. Our softness is not. Our depth is not that. It's not too much. Our light does not need permission to shine. We belong in every room we walk into. Our voices matter and our journey dreams deserve space. Thank you so much, everybody. What a speech. That was great. Amazing.

[Flip]

That was great.

[Ish]

Amazing.

[Joe Button]

Perfect. What a word. That was everything. I almost. My eyes got a little. It happened.

[Flip]

It happened early, too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's. That. That's important because before that speech happened, I was looking around the room saying. I mean, not many of us in there. White room.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And it's a small room, so I see half. I see how these invites. We have a hundred of y' all are coming here. Yeah. And I'm being facetious, but whatever the.

[Ish]

Number, it ain't a lot.

[Flip]

Not too much.

[Joe Button]

More than a lot.

[Ish]

If 100.

[Flip]

No, it's a couple hundred.

[Ish]

But I'm just saying.

[Joe Button]

Still.

[Ish]

It ain't a lot.

[Flip]

It's not a lot.

[Ish]

Let's say it's a couple hundred. It ain't a lot.

[Joe Button]

It's not a lot at all. And everybody dressed to the nines for sure. Congratulations, Teanna. Well deserved. Love you. Yo, one battle after another. Cleaned up Little slow down for me. I'm not boy. Man. Sorry. I'm one of them still. I'm one of those.

[Ish]

If.

[Joe Button]

If you break up and then she go on and get Oscar. You better turn on Usher. You got it bad. God damn. At least homeboy Aaron be is in some other movies. Kanye, another one. Kanye, Def Jam, they another one. There's a list. There's a list. There's a list of people that just. How did y' all not see this lady's talent? Tiana is choreographing your favorite artist stage show. She's directing, she's acting, she's doing the music, she's doing the fashion. Like this lady. Yo. And what's not spoken about in the cause Tiana was on that Me and Fab track back in the day. Like Harlem Tiana and how she sounded versus what she turned into with training and just practice and consistency. Yeah, yeah. Like that Tiana, you might have said you never wanted to hear sing a note like that was some of the rumbling out there today. Like who she is, what she means to people.

[Ish]

Pure artistry.

[Joe Button]

This makes all the sense in the world and hard work. She'd be busting ass.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying her, like, everything she's. You just listed all the shit that.

[Joe Button]

She'S doing and then totally aside from all of that great stuff. Right. See. Cause it's a privilege to actually know her.

[Flip]

Sweetheart.

[Joe Button]

Absolute sweetheart. I forgot the Golden Globes was that day. So I had. I text her the day before on some.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

That Sade cover. Big Dog.

[Ish]

Yeah, I was about to say that.

[Joe Button]

Put. Put it in my phone immediately. Thank you. Love you. Bye. So the next day she sent it, but it was late. It was around fucking like, five o'. Clock. And then the Golden Globes came on. And I said, this fucking girl. Wow.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

This fucking girl with all that going on still.

[Joe Button]

You sent that song wrong. She solid. Yeah. While the Golden Globes is happening. I wouldn't even hit somebody while I was going on.

[Flip]

Could we give her a round of applause proper?

[Joe Button]

No, I got you. Yeah, I got to. I'm sorry.

[Ish]

We don't got to hit the button real quick.

[Joe Button]

What feels good is that when. When you know someone and you watch how people count. Tried to counter out. Better late than never. You know what I'm saying? People tried to counter out, and she just kept working and working and showed that no matter what you were, you was gonna count out her support team. No matter what hurdle she came across, she's. She always overcome it. Overcame it. And. And I love Tiana. I'm proud of her. Extremely. Just knowing where she came from. Like Joe said, like, we love you, man. That's all. Yeah, we love you. Next time. Nah, I ain't gonna end it on you, nigga. I ain't gonna end it. I closed it. No, you don't close, my friend to you. You go first. No, no. So you rewind it. Let's do it over. But then when you hear that, I kill it. Yo, yo. Anyway, listen. We love you, T.T. we do. We love you.

[Flip]

One battle after killed one. Best comedy or musical? The categories are kind of weird things being comedy that aren't. It was funny. Funny movie. I don't know if I all the way classify as comedy.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, I like that joke from Nicole, too, about the director that's in comedy with all his movies that are so not comedy.

[Flip]

Right, right. Yeah, it was weird and they're weird about that. But whatever. That aside, it was one of my favorite movies last year. Sinner is also one of my favorite movies last year. Won, I think, three best score and best. I don't even know what this category means, but it was like best box office cinema. Something. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

They won the pre Grammy Preowsco.

[Flip]

Oh, before.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Flip]

The one that scored.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's what I'm saying. Saying by pregram.

[Ish]

I know what you.

[Joe Button]

They got. They got the non televised joint. I'm really not sure how to feel about that. You could. You can't ignore that score in that movie. True. You can't. The score is. Is probably a large part of the movie. Yeah, but I. But I don't know how I feel about. I see what they doing with. I see what they did. We called it. I mean, everybody called it. I see what they're doing with this Timothy Chalamet sh. And I don't want to keep talking about it because he won me over like Timothy Chalamet at the award. That's a cool. That's a. Yeah. But at the Knick game, I didn't. I don't know who he is. Right. Like, I don't. I don't. I didn't see Dune and whatever this shit is, but he was great in the bottom at the Knick game. He be in his bag. But you know, Chrome hearts Nick. Shit, he's having a blast. But all right, who's the fucking little young kid here? He was in his element here. He was around his peers. So to hear him speak and how he spoke and how he kept talking about the gratitude. The gratitude that I have to. He just. He just. He won me over.

[Flip]

He seems like a humble dude. Seriously. But him side. And he's talented.

[Ish]

Yeah. The grounded piece. It makes you relatable.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? So people will start to gravitate towards you. If you just had that, that, that. That humbleness and that foundation you like. Oh, that's a nigga from around the way. He could just be up there on the stage, but he's somebody that I could relate to even if he wasn't a star. Even if he wasn't famous.

[Joe Button]

Also not to be that guy. But with what one battle at a time. I mean, one battle after another was about X, where we are in the world.

[Ish]

She was a little.

[Joe Button]

It's eerie.

[Ish]

It is, it is. That's all I could. I haven't finished the movie, but that's where my brain was. Damn near from the start of the movie, I was like.

[Joe Button]

Which ties back to CBS being Paramount. Yeah. Being Skydance. Being Trump in them. Which is why Nicole Glaser again, to.

[Flip]

Say, threw Some shots.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, fuck y'. All. Cbs, yada yada. She sent a few shots of cbs.

[Flip]

She did. But then they panned right to dude, the rich dude. I forgot his name is.

[Joe Button]

I was like, all right, so all of that is. I'm just saying. It's not lost on me. And then when I started thinking about that, I started thinking about. About how all of those people, all of those famous, high profile, ultra wealthy people, high secret society class of people were in that room and nobody said a word about shorty.

[Flip]

Oh, yeah, A lot of them have a little pin on.

[Ish]

You know what happens. Your name Nicole.

[Joe Button]

Good. I want to say her name.

[Flip]

Some people did dress it in the. What you call it?

[Joe Button]

The red car on the carpet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the pins and be good.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's the thing. Bill Maher was blasting. Did y' all see that?

[Flip]

I did see that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. On the red carpet. Asked Bill Maher about what he thought about people wearing the pins, and he was just like. Basically like, this is bullshit. He didn't say it was bullshit, but.

[Ish]

Yo, something's going on with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was like. He said something to the effect of, it's unfortunate what happened to her, but it wouldn't happen if people weren't out there acting like thugs. But we're here. We're not here to deal with politics.

[Flip]

He didn't say it directly, but, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't use the word thug, but he used another word like thug. Something derogatory about the protest.

[Flip]

Bill Mars beats.

[Ish]

He used to be so anti what he is today. Like, he's made a 180. My nigga.

[Joe Button]

Wanda Sykes, what a great way. Wanda Sykes just gave him a quick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Addressed that quick. Pow, pow.

[Joe Button]

It was perfect. It was said a lot, right? With so little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She was like, bill. And Bill Maher, you just give us so much.

[Flip]

You give us a little less.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just give us a little less. And you can see his face. He had that face that Trump had at the correspondence dinner years ago. And Obama roasted him. Like, he looked humiliated. It was exactly what you want him to look like. Yeah, it was great.

[Joe Button]

If y' all were super duper stars sitting in that room and the roast started happening to y', all and you knew the camera was headed your way. Like, how would your roast face be? Like, you think you'd be cool? Smile, Just.

[Ish]

Yeah, it would look.

[Flip]

You laugh this laughs to the joy.

[Joe Button]

What? He don't want to be embarrassed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just smile. I don't think he should play himself in that. I just don't think he would laugh. I think.

[Ish]

I think he'd be like, that's your only.

[Flip]

You can't do anything else. You look like you can't do nothing else.

[Ish]

You can do two things.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You could laugh or you could. You could, like, look deadpan, like you above it.

[Joe Button]

I don't think it should do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What would you do?

[Ish]

Ice drink something like I do here.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Ish]

All right, y' all got it.

[Joe Button]

Why is that funny? But wait, you. You can't do that at the Golden Glob. He like it? No, he would have to stay wake up with a picture on it. Nut head. Superman. Oh, my Lord.

[Flip]

§ was funny where she said, I hope he's not. I hope Ricky wins this, because if he's not here, I'm gonna give it to thank the trans community. That was.

[Joe Button]

Hilarious. That was great. And then he.

[Flip]

Won. That was great. He should have been actually the voice of God guy. He would have been greeted that. He would have crushed.

[Joe Button]

That. Yeah. What else? Something else was adolescent swept all.

[Flip]

The tv in my opinion, deservingly.

[Joe Button]

So. What.

[Ish]

Show? Adolescence.

[Joe Button]

Adolescence. Adolescence. Yeah. I don't know that.

[Flip]

Show. It was the one about the kid that killed the.

[Joe Button]

Kid. Killed the kid. Remember I saw that show. Oh, that was a good show. Yeah, that was a good show. I did see that.

[Flip]

Show. I see too much therapist lady. One the kid one. The. The dude that be in all the HBO shows. One that created the.

[Joe Button]

Show.

[Flip]

Show. He played. He was in Boardwalk Empire. He played Al Capone. He's.

[Ish]

Amazing. He's amazing. Amazing.

[Joe Button]

Actor. I want to see that movie that actually won best male actor. What is it Safe? I don't know. I have a brain for you. The. The Brazilian movie. Yeah.

[Flip]

Yeah. Escobar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm interested to watch that. Foreign films be.

[Joe Button]

Fire. Everybody said that. That movie Fire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. For.

[Joe Button]

Real. So I do to want. I do want to check that out. What else was funny at the Golden.

[Flip]

Globes? Want to get into the podcast Awards? I do. That shit pissed me off. Right the fuck off.

[Joe Button]

Parks. You can't let that stuff piss you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Off.

[Joe Button]

Shit. Now, before we get into the podcast Awards, I want to talk about. I want to talk about the lady that went up there and won the award and said, I want to shout out my husband. He couldn't be here tonight because we're. We're buying a. We're buying a bearded dragon and he's at a reptile convention expo in New Jersey, so. Hi, bab. So when she Said that. I'm like, yo, I can imagine how that conversation went in that house. That's just some dude. That is some real.

[Ish]

Dude. I got.

[Flip]

You. I'm going to buy a lizard convention right.

[Joe Button]

Now. I need that. So my. My question to y' all is, when is it okay to get to. To not get dude off? Like, you wouldn't do that for the Golden.

[Ish]

Globes. When your wife is a nominee at the Golden.

[Joe Button]

Globes. For the Golden.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Globes. You got.

[Joe Button]

It. You going with your wife. You.

[Ish]

Can'T. She won a couple of them.

[Joe Button]

Already. But the bearded dragon. What if. It's real tough to get, like, one on one exop it in the Golden Globe. Fair.

[Flip]

Point. She's also probably been to a couple Golden.

[Ish]

Globes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What's her.

[Joe Button]

Record? What if you just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don'T. Did he think she was going to.

[Ish]

Win? Like, if you got three already.

[Joe Button]

Right? What if you hit.

[Flip]

Before? Or if you're owing.

[Joe Button]

Three? What if you hit. All right.

[Ish]

Shit. I don't think you're gonna win this.

[Joe Button]

One. You ain't gonna win that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One. It's time to be realistic here.

[Joe Button]

Honey. Niggas don't want to go with they wife nowhere, man. Not even to the supermarket. That is hilarious. Thinking like, yo, I love that little. That little. They're right there. Yeah. That silence. I love that. It's when the room. Room collectively recognizes this can go one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Way.

[Joe Button]

Right? But we're gonna come together in silence and make sure it goes the other way. I love that. Going places with your girl is.

[Ish]

Like, what about Josh Allen wife, Mr. Game, because she was a presenter at the Golden.

[Joe Button]

Globe. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I don't know why people's on her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ass. That makes sense to me. I'm.

[Ish]

Sorry.

[Joe Button]

Wait. That makes sense. Hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up. I'm gonna make sure I understand the story. No, no, I'm not disagreeing necessarily, although I think I. I am. He missed a professional.

[Flip]

Game. No.

[Ish]

No. His wife. His playoff.

[Joe Button]

Game. His wife missed the playoff game because she was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Presenting. I thought you missed the playoff game to watch her present. That's why I was like, get.

[Ish]

The. We not going to compare lizard convention to center at the Golden.

[Joe Button]

Globes. Be one they lizards.

[Ish]

Man. If your wife just won an award board, y' all got a couple dollars where y' all could order the.

[Flip]

Lizard. Nah.

[Ish]

Nah. So it's a convention. Somebody else might have bought the.

[Flip]

Lizard, and I want to pick out my lizard to make sure it's got the right personality. For.

[Ish]

Our. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make sure we. Make sure.

[Flip]

We. Make sure we.

[Joe Button]

Buy. You see.

[Flip]

These a good looking.

[Joe Button]

Lizard. They get you that Petco, man. Come on. Y' all have this one over.

[Ish]

There. You can't get that lizard on Farmers.

[Joe Button]

Boulevard. You go to the F. We want the.

[Flip]

Breed. The well bred, the purebred bearded dragon, not.

[Ish]

The. This is direct ancestor from Game of Thrones bin and his.

[Joe Button]

DNA. What else do we need from the Golden Globes? Did we cover.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything? I mean, it was the little. You know, the Internet streets were very excited to see Roxy and Anthony Anderson together, hand in hand. It was a lot of talk. They even like the. The cameras rolled up on him and asked him, are y' all officially dating? Are y' all together or not? You know, Anthony, he gave a great answer. He's like, are you two dating? He was like, she's my date for.

[Joe Button]

Tonight. He was like. And you and Ish think that that was a great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Answer? Yeah, I think whatever answer he gives is. Cause it's nobody's.

[Joe Button]

Business.

[Ish]

See. No, I think his answer was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great. I mean. I mean, you can say some wax shit, but he said a good answer. I thought it was a good.

[Joe Button]

Answer. You open the door for a tough talk. Let's have a. Have the tough talk. You. You out with whoever you out with. Let's say it's somebody you've been dating for a while. Tmz, somebody shove a camera in your face and ask you to explain the situation even though y' all may not. May have not agreed on how this should be addressed publicly. That's what I'm.

[Ish]

Saying. Yeah, but how long have they.

[Joe Button]

Been. She didn't look happy with his.

[Ish]

Answer. We had the golden goal. No, no, no. She looked like, yo, I really want y' all out my fucking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Face. She looked unhappy with the.

[Ish]

Face. She looked like, yo, get out my face. And the rumors have been out that they've been dating for a while out now. So now when I'm walking in the Golden Globes with my date. So to give the. Because you already been in entertainment for. They all have been in Entertainment for 25 years. You know where this is going to go if you say some left or right. So if he said, nah, we're not dating, or if he said, yeah, we are dating officially, it's going to be plastered over all that shit. You don't want nobody in your business. He said, yo, she's my date for tonight. That's a perfectly politically correct answer. I think if we know the rumor's Been out there. We go into the fucking Golden Globes, maybe we have a conversation. Yo, we gonna get asked what you want to do? How, how if. Or. Or don't get mad at his.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Answer. I mean, this could be their collective.

[Joe Button]

Response. Well, it's only me saying she might have been.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mad. Face was tight or.

[Joe Button]

Something. I mean. I mean, if I'm going by the.

[Ish]

Video. When she. When it. When. When a reporter walked up on them, they was like. Like, if you read her body languages, like, oh, get the. Away from. You know what I'm saying? Oh, but you don't think to expect that at the go. I'm talking about. Just say, we ain't catch you walking out of a restaurant, y', all. Red carpeting at the Golden Globe. It wasn't on the carpet. It was on the street at the Golden.

[Joe Button]

Globes.

[Ish]

Still. This is where all the paparazzi is, all the celebrities.

[Joe Button]

Here. All surrounding blocks are in. At the Golden.

[Ish]

Globes. If we walk in hand in hand, or we together at the Golden Globes and there's rumors about, somebody's gonna.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ask, well, let me ask y', all. What would be a better.

[Ish]

Answer? That might have been their collective.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Answer. I think it.

[Ish]

Was. I was talking to her being mad at the answer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Part. I could. I didn't read her body language that way, but I wasn't paying attention. I was more paying attention to what he was saying than how she looked. So I might have missed it, But I just assumed that knowing both of them. And I know her much better than I know him. But like you said, they've been in the business a long time. They thought about this. They talked about what they're gonna do when asked, and I feel like this was the answer they agreed on. This is the approach they agree. That's just my guess. I don't know nothing. That's what I.

[Joe Button]

Would. Would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Think. So I'm like, it's just a question whether we like it or.

[Joe Button]

Not. Well, you guys have twisted my arm. I see it your way now. Great. Great answer. It was a great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Answer. Joe, when you. Joe, when.

[Joe Button]

You. When.

[Ish]

You. That's the best way. That's the best way of saying mind your.

[Joe Button]

Business. Roxy is a G. I forgot that. I forgot that. I know these people, too. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying, like, I be forgetting. I know some of these G. Roxy's a G. No, she wants a man of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. That's what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Saying. Let's not be stupid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sorry. I take it.

[Ish]

Back. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. I was button Joe, when did you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

First. Did you have a moment where you were dating and not saying it like you did you. Do you have that moment where you strategize good.

[Joe Button]

Dusty. Yeah, you. You good Allergies. It ain't. It ain't a. It ain't a dusting. Now look at you now. What you say, Mark, I'm sorry. Rudely interrupted by the Newark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Boys. Yeah. Why don't you pick up.

[Ish]

Ice? No, no, no.

[Joe Button]

No. Go ahead.

[Ish]

Please. You want me to answer for you? I want to hear him laugh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

First.

[Ish]

Really? That's why I was gonna let you.

[Joe Button]

Finish. What's the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Question? See, I gotta wait for me to run the play. Like wait for the.

[Joe Button]

Screen. You know what I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mean? I'm saying, so have you been in this. How have you navigated that where you're in a relationship and you haven't quite told the public or you have. Do you have a period where you're thinking about like, how do I tell the public? Or how do I reveal these kinds of.

[Joe Button]

Things? Mark, you're not as good as you think. I hear it. I know you hear the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bullshit. There's no bullshit. It was a sincere question. So he started.

[Joe Button]

Laughing. No, I'm never, Never been in no situation like that. I was never hiding something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or. Because you had a criticism. So I thought maybe you had a better.

[Joe Button]

Approach. No, no, no, no. I didn't have a criticism and I definitely didn't have no better approach. Never mind. I can't. I can't have fun with.

[Ish]

This. It's one of the.

[Joe Button]

Moments. One of the moments. Yeah. I can't. I can't have fun with this. Nope. But listen, you can't say that to me. I was one of the only ever public in a time where was hiding their girlfriends in. In basements and love kebabs. He was. Nobody was outside in the 2000s saying, hey, this is my lady. That wasn't happening. That's a good different time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Today. Why is it different now? Why are people so quick to do it now? Social media, it's just.

[Joe Button]

Clout. Social media, when it comes.

[Ish]

With. It's social media. I think that be mean on social media and you kind of don't want that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shit. That's a.

[Ish]

Fact. Coming in the direction of your family. Not just that. I think think for the superstars and the celebrities, they break up so much, you know, I mean, like they're in a new relationship every six months. And so now somebody got a camera in your face again and again and again and again. You just don't want that invading your personal.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Space. Yeah, there's a lot of judgment that comes with the breakup and all that other too. Yeah, I get.

[Joe Button]

That. And don't want to serve. They partner up to the vultures and the wolves and the most important, important.

[Ish]

Part. No, I see. I think it's the opposite because with social media, she's serving herself up to the wolves, so. Nigga trying.

[Joe Button]

To. Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

[Ish]

Okay. I mean, they go hand in.

[Joe Button]

Hand. No, they don't go hand in hand. She can serve herself up. She can serve herself up. And it's not the same as a dude serving it.

[Ish]

Up. No, I think the insecure don't want her to be outside getting served up. That's what I was talking about. By.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Herself. Wait, but claiming her makes it less likely that she'll get served up or more.

[Ish]

Likely. More.

[Joe Button]

Likely. Absolutely. Okay, so she's serving herself up to her 8,600 followers and that 86 and go stay.

[Ish]

Here. That 86 return to 286,000 damn near in a.

[Joe Button]

Month. Oh, she got a link tree up that follows. You hit that little link tree, you be searching harder. It don't be there. You be mad. I don't want to go to your depop. I got $What's for the that with a W. Nothing. Pissed me off like a. A great looking YouTuber. Girl, you hit the link tree. She got all YouTube, my other YouTube, my Snapchat, my Amazon wish list. The pussy. I'll give you enough money to get whatever you want off Amazon. I can't. My wish list. You knock that whole out after one month. This is.

[Ish]

Hilarious. Y. You bring the ginger to a boy.

[Joe Button]

Old.

[Ish]

What? Here's my art. I.

[Joe Button]

Paint. What the fuck you paint? Do it.

[Ish]

Naked. We ain't.

[Joe Button]

Shit. He said do it naked, but that ain't. This thought is not why. I know I'm not shit. It's my next thought sometimes, which is I'mma wait till the game turn out. Oh, shit. Yo, yo, I'mma wait this out. You can see it. Can see it. The rapper and you can see it. Oh, that's.

[Ish]

Funny. That's funny. It only take.

[Joe Button]

One. You see her. You can see she got the. She got the.

[Ish]

Signs. She got the.

[Joe Button]

Hit. You be like, you know.

[Ish]

What to it. Hey, yo, I'll come back three or four key get.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Ish]

Yeah. It's over. Gone.

[Joe Button]

Forever. This is the most. It's not all right to think.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It's not okay to think. But it work like. Work like clockwork you be like, then you got to wait for the other phase. No nipples. All right, you got so for you, like, six months. Then when the money. When the money start to come. Oh, this what they want it start with the side shot.

[Ish]

Yeah. Nah. Shorty went from Michael Kors to a.

[Joe Button]

Rolly. What? Yo, we ain't at.

[Ish]

All. You got to stop two tone.

[Joe Button]

Date. Just. It's not nice. Y' all, come on. Let it go. Oh, man, we all been there to watch. Just chill. Oh, my God. Y' all are.

[Ish]

Dumb. Little.

[Joe Button]

Progression. I know I'd be up too early. I'd be talking back to the tech companies that run the only fans, girl, but in my head, no, no, not in real life. Oh, okay. Because every day around the same time, as soon as you wake up, they got still got the online now. Soon. As soon as soon as you go in there to send your message, as soon as you wake up, they send you a message. Oh, daddy, I am dying to show you this. Like, girl, every morning, you dying to show me something. Get out. Get out of.

[Ish]

Here. Soon as you wake up, you cut the of.

[Flip]

On. Y' all the way. You get one out in the.

[Joe Button]

Morning. Yeah, like, it's not that weird. Yeah, I just said. I just said happy up at 3:15. You think is going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On?

[Joe Button]

Damn. Okay. I don't pause my day. What you. What you in the morning or in the.

[Ish]

Night? Got.

[Joe Button]

You. Oh, my Lord. Ice did not dress.

[Ish]

Himself. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. Got that in the book more. I ain't dress.

[Ish]

Himself. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. What time it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is? It's.

[Flip]

Time. A.

[Joe Button]

Time. It's time, man. This is a time. This.

[Ish]

Was. This was bad. I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Going. Where is.

[Ish]

That? Told her you pay. Do it.

[Joe Button]

Naked. You know you can't do that. Can't say that for real. She on a page cooking like you don't get this beef walling the.

[Ish]

Out. No, no, no, dogs. They got something there. They got the apron on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait. Yeah.

[Flip]

Nothing. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. That oil starts popping. Yeah, you don't.

[Ish]

Want. Nobody cares about. I don't give a about. Yo, turn around and let me see. Go ahead and put in the oven that lamb chop on the side. Go on, bend over and put that tray in the oven.

[Joe Button]

Man. And now it's time for my favorite part of the show. Prize pick. Oh, man. All right. This episode is brought to you by Prize Picks. Whether you're starting a new routine or making player picks for the very first time, trying something new can be hard. But in life and on prize picks, it always feels good to be right. With high pressure playoff matchups every weekend and elite hoops action almost every night, the action never stops and prize picks lets you take control. Prize picks is really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is select two or more players, look at their projected stat lines and pick more or less for your chance to win big. Prizepix now has early payouts, so if your player gets off to a hot start, you now have the option to cash out those winnings before the game even finishes. Prize picks is also somebody blowing they nose. You cool? You good? That wasn't me, nigga. Oh, your nose just look like one of them noses. You got one of them drowsy looking noses then nigga, fix your nose while I'm doing my nose. Look drowsy where your nose is at when you got that call. Yeah, we're gonna go. We're gonna go. Let's talk about it. We about to talk about. So prize picks is now available in all 50 states, including California, Texas, Florida and Georgia. I'm not going to beat you guys down, but I picked every winner in these football games. Like in terms of who's when. I picked them all. Every last one of them. Let me see. Let me give you the ishpics of the week though. All right. Sam Darnold for more than five rushing yards. McCaffrey for more than 107 rushing and receiving yards. Hunter Henry for more than 39 receiving yards. It's like Hunter Henry. Kenneth Walker for more than 54 rushing yards. And oh, this way the ticket get tricky. Bo Nix for more than 212 receiving yards passing. Besides receiving, how do you guys feel about Ish's.

[Flip]

Ticket? I think he's gonna Bonick's gonna get that against the bills.

[Ish]

Defense. Yeah, 212. I don't know about the Hunter.

[Flip]

Henry one, but I don't know about the Hunter Henry.

[Joe Button]

One. Other than that Texas.

[Ish]

Defense. Boy, I'll flex.

[Joe Button]

It. Feel free to make your own alterations at home, but if you download the app right this second and use promo code jbp, we can demand more money at the end of our turn. Thank you very much. Oh, and you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. So only on prize picks where it's good to be, right. Especially if you use promo code jvp. Let's not let that be.

[Flip]

Forgotten. What do we get? A football.

[Ish]

Man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Before we get to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Football.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Which I know that makes sense. Yeah. We never got to the lady that won the Podcast.

[Flip]

Awards. Amy Poehler. Congratulations to her. My issue is not so much with her is with the nominees in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

General. Very big of each.

[Flip]

Other. And not that because we weren't in there, even though I think we should have been. It's just in general, they weren't top podcasts outside of Call Her.

[Joe Button]

Daddy. Well, we weren't in there because you have to submit to be in there. Oh, and you have to pay to submit. Probably don't get me to ask. And I don't ever submit anywhere. But the people that were nominated were all people that.

[Flip]

Submitted. Got it.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Okay. I knew that even when I put the billboard up just to be a.

[Flip]

Dick. But they even did a skit before the Podcast Awards about how boring podcasts are. The jokes. It was. One of them was Amy Poehler talking about. About what time do you eat dinner? Six.

[Joe Button]

O'.

[Flip]

Clock. And then, like, ad interruptions. All this were jokes. And the. I'm like, the good podcast don't do.

[Joe Button]

That.

[Flip]

Yeah. So it was. It was a travesty to.

[Joe Button]

Me. I wasn't. Congratulations to her. I think that part is from the ringer child to Bill Simmons. Congratulations to everybody involved. I wasn't familiar with that podcast, but I really enjoyed her.

[Flip]

Speech. I've seen. I've seen a couple episodes. Or about it a good podcast. I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been in there. Maybe should have been in there, but there's a bunch of other ones where it's like, there's bigger, better podcasts that should be in this category. And to me, that's. It's a disgrace.

[Joe Button]

Honestly. All right, Way to congratulate the lady.

[Flip]

Okay. I said. I started with.

[Joe Button]

Congratulations. It's a disgrace, honestly. It is.

[Ish]

Jesus. That you won.

[Joe Button]

This. Oh, my.

[Flip]

Lord. No, no, I said that she deserves to be in.

[Ish]

There. I think the nominees in general, the.

[Flip]

Nominees. If the Greatest Film Awards, the drama and the comedy awards were a bunch of shit that no one's ever fucking seen or talked about or heard about or critically acclaimed or anything, you'd be like, what the fuck is this award ceremony? And the same should apply to the podcast.

[Joe Button]

Category. Well, if Mark ever tell us who voted for Trump, maybe we'll have a better, better shot at it trumping having us up there. I felt more so that way as soon as Snoop got up there. Way to go, Snoop. Thanks. Being the shining example that'll get him to invite me. Snoop went up there, man. What that say I'm high. Is that. Oh, my gosh. Shout out to Snoop, man. All right, Football. Worst Take. Welcome to Worst Take. We're going to keep this short, short, quick, concise, and get to our sports.

[Flip]

Points. One of the best football weekends ever, in my personal opinion. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Agree. You.

[Ish]

Think? Yes. The way these games were outside.

[Joe Button]

Of. Yes, I.

[Ish]

Agree. Yeah. Outside of the Steeler game.

[Flip]

Yes. Yeah. The last two games were great, but they're still close games in the fourth quarter, so I'm not all the way mad at.

[Ish]

Them. They just weren't exciting nail biters.

[Joe Button]

Though. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah. I'm just real quick. Hey, Bills fans, I apologize. I was.

[Flip]

Wrong. Josh Allen put that Superman shit on and went out there and won the.

[Ish]

Game. He.

[Joe Button]

Did. Who's gonna apologize to Joe? Come.

[Ish]

On. Cause you.

[Joe Button]

Picked. I asked y' all if y' all was really serious about putting your faith in Trevor Lawrence and his hair. Trevor Lawrence. I don't care. I don't care. I know he balled.

[Ish]

Out. How y' all feel about the. The whole, like, offensive lineman Carol carrying Josh Allen for 10.

[Flip]

Yards? I don't love it, but it is. It's legal, so it's cool. I think they should address that at some.

[Ish]

Point. I agree. I.

[Flip]

Agree. I don't think you should be able to pick up your own player.

[Joe Button]

And push them forward for as much shit that has gone against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in terms of the.

[Ish]

Rules. Let them.

[Joe Button]

Get. It matter if you. If you count the last four years of shit that's going against Josh Allen and the Bills. Yeah, let him.

[Ish]

Whether. Ms. Call this.

[Joe Button]

That. Yeah. I can't. I can't. Can't. Go.

[Flip]

Ahead. No, I'm happy for.

[Joe Button]

Him. He did what he had to do. Congratulations to the Bills. He did that when James Cook really didn't show up the way you needed him to. So we'll see. He'll pop up at some point. Go Bills Jags. You'll get them next year. Do y' all want to talk about the kind reporter that they let into the Jaguar Jaguar post game.

[Flip]

Interview? I do. I don't understand why this is such a big story, but it has been on Twitter. A lot of journalists are speaking out against her and it's. It's nasty to.

[Joe Button]

Me. What are they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying? Well, the woman basically was giving praise, kind words and praise for the job he did and said best of luck, kind of moving forward. It was unusual exchange between a reporter and a coach or a player for that matter. But I had never seen anything quite like that. The closest thing I had seen to that was that Clip that goes around of Russell Westbrook getting sort of applauded by the reporter for. For. By foreign reporter for the way that he, you know, made impromptu moves in the air playing basketball and. And he looks surprised by it, too, because coaches and players aren't used to getting compliments from. From. From reporters. I thought it was.

[Flip]

Strange. I have. I have the clip. If you wanted to share real.

[Joe Button]

Quick. I just want to tell you congratulations on your success, young.

[Ish]

Man. You hold your head up, all right? You guys have had a most magnificent season. Thank.

[Joe Button]

You. You did a great job out there.

[Ish]

Today. So you just hold your head up.

[Joe Button]

Okay? Ladies and gentlemen. Duvall, you the.

[Ish]

One. All.

[Joe Button]

Right? You keep it going. We got another.

[Ish]

Season.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Appreciate it. Take.

[Ish]

Care. And much continued success to you and the entire.

[Flip]

Team. 20.

[Joe Button]

Seconds. Parks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Has. It's.

[Joe Button]

Weird. I love you being the clip guy, but you got to stop playing the guitars behind. That was.

[Ish]

Nice. I think it was fire. I think from what I understand, the lady's been. She's been covering the jags for, like, 20 some odd.

[Joe Button]

Years.

[Ish]

Yeah. So if you've been a reporter and you've seen the teams in its highs and its lows and most of the. Their tenure in the NFL, they've been.

[Joe Button]

Lowe's. Oh, is that true? Because listening to the journalists, they were making it sound like this is somebody who just got, like a pass. Pass for a day and a.

[Ish]

Fan.

[Joe Button]

No. From what I heard, and you in there.

[Ish]

Just. Yeah, she's been there personally. That don't. Either one of those could be true. Cause from what I took from it, the journalist complaining is. First off, it's a bunch of. Of media here. Everybody don't get to ask a question. The coach ain't up there for so long. We want to ask questions about the game, about this. That the third. This is not the time to just use your time to do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. I.

[Ish]

Agree. And I'm with that. I.

[Flip]

Agree. If.

[Ish]

We. This is fresh off the gate. We want to ask you about coaching decisions. We want to ask you about, you know, why didn't this happen? Why didn't that happen? The shit that I don't like that they have to.

[Joe Button]

Ask. But.

[Ish]

That'S. That's. That's the job not to stand here and you just hold your head. It's gonna be all right. You got it. I'm kind of with them in that.

[Joe Button]

Sense. Mark, y' all on the other side of.

[Ish]

This. Crazy. Yeah, only because. Holy. Only because that's the. Again, if you got 20, 30 journalists here, the Coach is only up here for a few seconds. We don't, everybody don't get to ask a question. So we asking you about the game. Everybody. Yo, on that play, you decided to draw this up. Why did you go for two instead of kicking a field goal? Shit like that. That's what they want to hear, not you. You wasting time. That could be talked about the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Game. She is a longtime journalist with the Jacksonville Free Press. Lynn Jones Turpin is her.

[Joe Button]

Name. When you say they want to.

[Ish]

Hear, who you referring.

[Joe Button]

To? Not the. Not the. The coach probably felt.

[Ish]

Good. Won't nobody say nothing if they get up there and say some negative. But somebody saying, getting up there, giving some. Some encouragement, cuz you just lost and you know they already felt good. I would feel the same way if you got up there and just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Said, but your job is not to give words of encouragement. Your job is to ask a.

[Joe Button]

Question.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

True. And again, it's a finite amount of time. I don't have a.

[Joe Button]

Problem. Who wrote the.

[Ish]

Rules? I was about to say who wrote the.

[Joe Button]

Rules? Who wrote that rule book to say what my job entails and how I look doing it and when I'm supposed to do it. Now that you told me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. But there's an answer to that.

[Joe Button]

Question. Okay, well let me finish talking first and then you can give it. Now that you read who. Who the lady was. That lady had been there probably all season. Season when this room was less packed. She'd been there through the losing seasons when nobody was here. She has a different relationship to the team and to the coach and his players. As was clear by what she had to say. One, two. I don't think there's never. Not a time for a black woman to pour into you when you in.

[Ish]

Need. I'm not making nothing about. I.

[Flip]

Don'T. I can see if she hogged the mic for a minute, a minute and a half, two minutes, something crazy. She gave 20 seconds of praise to a team that overachieved. I don't have a problem with this at.

[Ish]

All. I'm not putting anything into whether she's black white. That didn't matter to me. It was just the fact that a journalist got up there and used this.

[Joe Button]

Time. Used her time to be clear. Her.

[Ish]

Time? Yeah. Her time. Yeah. That's what you got up there to use your time for. To. Instead of asking journalistic questions about the game, you just use this time to tell you to pick your head.

[Joe Button]

Up. She didn't have any journals. She didn't want to ask a journal Realistic question about the game. Why is that anybody else's business? What I choose to do with mine a lot of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Times. So it's a good question. I mean, I have a few thoughts on it. First, I love when people say nice things to people, and I love that she poured into them. And I think we don't do that enough. There's a lot of negativity. I just don't think it should happen right there. You've been at things where people want to ask artists a question, Right? And have you ever been in a situation where it's like, we got Q and A for Joe Button, and five people come up and just start. Or instead of asking you a question, they offer you a mixtape or they.

[Joe Button]

Offer. That's.

[Flip]

Like. That's not this to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me. No, no. What I'm saying is the ven. Okay, let me put it.

[Joe Button]

Differently. Cause that's not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This. I think it.

[Ish]

Is. I kind of think it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is. It is. Because it's not just about your choice. It's about you're taking up time that the community has decided to use for a certain thing. When you go into a press room, your job is to ask a question. Your job pays you to go in there and ask a question. We collectively say, look, only three of us can get a question in, right? And so. And so part of us are hoping that you ask the question I'm gonna ask, because you might not get to me. And if we only get the three questions and one of them is, instead of you asking a question, you say something nice, and it was wonderful what she said, then that's one less question that gets asked for the whole pool of reporters. We're all trying to get these questions asked. We got real questions like, why did you not run the ball there? Why did you do this? Why did you do that? And now that question won't get answered because you did something that's outside the bounds of the job. It is a collective agreement that we make as reporters to ask a question. That's.

[Joe Button]

Why. You know. You know what's interesting about that? The good coaches go up there and give you. Do you. How often do you walk away with the answer to your question? I watch. I watched the Post game. Hold up. I watched the Post game. After all of those amazing games in the Panthers game, they want to know, hey, why'd you drop into that soft coverage in the. In the other game, like, I heard what they had to say. Great questions. At no point did any of the coaches actually answer.

[Ish]

Them. But you still ask Them Aaron Rodgers last night got asked the same question 17 times. So don't say that these reporters sit up there and want to know all of this other stuff. They asked him the same question, yo, so what are your plans for next year, yo, you leaving? You resigning? You want to come back to play? He's like, yo, I'm not ready to answer that right now. Yeah, you guessed it. Next reporter. So, yo, did you have any plans on what we going to be doing next year? And you did you see. Think about coming back or retiring? Yo, dawg, they ask the same question. So it's not this just overwhelming thing where the reporters want to get as much information out as they possibly can because these niggas be regurgitating the same.

[Joe Button]

Questions. Also, Mark, if I take you at your word of what you just said, then it's contradictory to me because you started off with, I'm all for the positive words and the kind words.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From a black lady, but just not in that space. Like you could do it at the end of the press.

[Ish]

Oppressor. She might not get an opportunity to speak to him at the.

[Joe Button]

End. But before you get to that, if you. If you truly believe the first half of your statement, then do you believe that that is kind of a black woman's innate ability to even see when that moment.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is.

[Joe Button]

Is. Is. Is being called for? That's not Nobody, no one else.

[Ish]

Possesses that power but.

[Joe Button]

Them. If you believe that, which.

[Ish]

I. You can hear Nana in her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Voice. That's what I'm.

[Ish]

Saying. Absolutely. You can hear Nana in her voice. Like, just fuck the X's and O's, sweetie, we pulling for you, right? I'm.

[Joe Button]

Appreciative. No matter what happens. Yes, no matter what happens. No matter who's here, I'm rooting for you. You did a tremendous job. Fuck what they saying. Cause that's really what she was saying. Fuck what they saying in here. You did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great. So let me. So here's the. There's a couple problems with that for me. And again, I feel.

[Joe Button]

You. And that's my final.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Point. Yeah, I'm just saying I understand why the other reporters would feel away, is all I'm saying. I wasn't outraged by it. I was like, oh, that's really kind. When I. But I do understand as a reporter, if I want to get an answer to a question and my question got passed over. Cause she's a senior reporter and she didn't even use her time for a question, I could feel away. And the other thing is, I happen to agree with what she said to him. I don't know the football part of it. I mean, I agree with the sentiment of, like, being kind to somebody, but what if she had used that time to say, you're a terrible coach. You're the worst ever. I hope you never come back again? In theory, she could use the time to do that too. And we would all be like, that's fucked up. Or if this weren't sports. Because as a journalist, it doesn't matter what the genre is. If it were politics, what if it's a Trump press conference and we got an opportunity to ask, why the fuck did you do that thing in Venezuela? And instead we're like, yo, you're doing a great job. I'm pulling for.

[Flip]

You. I.

[Joe Button]

Know. I hate you to answer the question, because that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What. That's the standard.

[Joe Button]

Question. Before last, she wouldn't possess the title that she does for as long as she has held it if she would go in there and say something like that. It's kind of the point I was making with Inside the NBA and their relationship with the NBA. If you're going to talk like that, hey, dunk. I piece. Right. I don't. I don't think she would be that, that, that long tenure. But listen, that's fair. Way. First thing I said, way to be short, quick, concise. That was one game we covered. Let's get to the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bears.

[Joe Button]

Nice. Yeah, that was one of. That's probably the best game I've seen since Eli Manning threw one of them passes that shouldn't have been.

[Flip]

Caught. I was telling. I turned that off at halftime because it was maybe 21 to 6. And then I watched a show with REM. We were just chilling, but I was keeping the fold on. I saw that it was four minutes left and it was a one score game. I was like, all right, I'm going down to the basement. Hold up now. And I saw the winning touchdown.

[Ish]

And I'mma keep it a buck. It was something. You know how you got the feeling. Because Green Bay wasn't really putting them away. Like, they had mad opportunities to take the lead from 21 to. Yo, they just wasn't putting them away. And I'm like, yo, the score just not that far enough. Where I felt like Chicago was out of the game. I never literally felt like Chicago was out of the game. And then when they score, I'm like, oh, here you go.

[Joe Button]

Y'.

[Ish]

All. Don't up.

[Joe Button]

Now. Once homeboy. Yeah, go, go, go, Caleb. But once, Once homeboy caught that and ran it back to like they own 40 or 50. And that momentum started going. And then that's what sports is about. Because it's sports. As much as you think you know what's about to happen, happen. You play bad, bad is about to.

[Ish]

Happen. That's a.

[Joe Button]

Fact. So sure enough, he started missing field goals, missing the extra points. It's like they could.

[Ish]

Win. Yeah, they could win. They can win to ish point. I'm watching them. It looked like they was. You know how you like you. You running clock.

[Joe Button]

Management.

[Ish]

Yeah. Like, I'm not even trying to score no more. I'm just trying to run the clock out. And I'm like, it's too much time we playing. Not trying to run the clock out. Yeah, y' all ain't even trying no more. It's like, oh.

[Joe Button]

We. Up we go. Good.

[Ish]

We. We can settle right here. No, you.

[Flip]

Can'T. Yeah, no. Took a foot off the.

[Joe Button]

Gas. I want to shout out to Ben Johnson, way to turn around a.

[Flip]

Program. Yeah, him and Shanahan and Cohen is. That's a tough. Those three bodied this.

[Joe Button]

Year. The GM.

[Flip]

Killed. Yeah, he.

[Joe Button]

Did. Colston Loveland is the real deal. He is. He's the real. The real thing was really happy for him and him kicking up in the latter portion of the season because of all that Tyler Warren talk with the draft pick. And I was happy for Caleb because all that Jaden Daniels noise last year, it was tough to listen to. If you're him, I'm sure if you're him, it's tough to listen to all of this and have the season you had. I'm really happy for the.

[Flip]

Bears. I'm rooting for the Bears. I.

[Joe Button]

Am. And the city of Chicago. That was just.

[Flip]

Block. That's my first home away from home. So I love seeing. I was there when they went to the super bowl with Rex Grossman and all that. So I. I like seeing them making a run.

[Joe Button]

Again. Was dope for a minute. I mean, they've had seven of these fourth quarter comeback. But for a minute, I would have paid anything to have that stadium bugged to hear what they were saying about their team when it wasn't going great. Cause what a moment to be in that building for that type of turnaround and you end up winning. They.

[Flip]

Erupted. They.

[Joe Button]

Did. That was.

[Ish]

Great. Those are the games that you spend the money for. And you walk away like, yes, I'm happy as.

[Joe Button]

Hell. I was in the building. I forgot that the packers had Josh.

[Ish]

Jacobs. I.

[Joe Button]

Did. How do you have that Type of lead and can't run the ball effectively. And you have Josh.

[Ish]

Jacobs. He wasn't playing bad.

[Flip]

Either. The first half. He was balling.

[Joe Button]

Out. Yeah, that's some coaching. That's some.

[Ish]

Coaching. A lot of this shit be coaches out coaching themselves. Facts like, you be a good coach. You got it. You got us here. But now it's like, I gotta. I'm putting too much thought into.

[Joe Button]

It. Word. I mean, okay, I'm muting up for the rest of the games. Cause we dragging our sports talk for way longer than I wanted to drag it. So I'm shutting up for the rest of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. Can I ask one football question, please? My Eagles.

[Flip]

Lost. They.

[Ish]

Did?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep. Y' all kind of predicted it or said like, this is gonna be a tough first round. It could go either way. Why did the Eagles go from such a dominant team last year to a team that's. That's getting put out? And I hear people saying like, the offense was like stalling and it just wasn't a very good. Like, what, what, what? What's the big difference? Difference? Like Saquon went from like record setting numbers to like, like, what.

[Flip]

Happened? Teams usually have a hangover after the super bowl, number one. Number two, the Eagles have been leveraging their future for the past couple years. In the next couple years, it's going to get worse and worse and worse to the point where I heard one podcaster saying, I don't know if they're going to be able to field a team in 2028 or 2029 or something like that. They basically been borrowing against the future. And this is kind of.

[Ish]

Starting. I'm still. I can't wait. They have to answer to rest in their.

[Joe Button]

Place.

[Ish]

Players. Week 18 was the last week. Yeah, they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Have. When they lost the Red because had they beaten Washington, they wouldn't have had a.

[Ish]

First. No, you would have had a first round game. It just wouldn't have been.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This. They would have been.

[Ish]

Who? You had a better.

[Joe Button]

Shot. Okay. A better shot than the Niners, who were decimated at every position. And George Kittle goes out in.

[Ish]

The middle of the night. Kittle just going out is. Is, you know, you. You can't expect that. They gonna kill.

[Joe Button]

Me. Yo.

[Ish]

What? It's two things for me. One, when you win the super.

[Joe Button]

Bowl, they're gonna kill.

[Ish]

You. Everybody poaches your.

[Flip]

Players. That's.

[Ish]

True. So every time you win the super bowl, you're gonna lose a nice amount of key players. The Eagles lost a couple people that have proved season long that they need it. But the second thing for me is. And I said it a bunch, and I got killed, bro. When you got Saquon with a O line, your quarterback's job is way, way, way easier than what he has to make through getting one on one coverage. He got two monster receivers and a good ass tight end that if you getting one on one coverage, you throw this shit up. AJ gonna go get.

[Flip]

It. He.

[Joe Button]

Didn'T. This time he did. No, no.

[Ish]

No. He dropping the shit out of him. But what I'm saying is to me, hurts ain't that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bro. So just to be clear. Cause I'm asking for clarity. Not that you say Jalen hurts is.

[Ish]

Overrated. To me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Flip]

Okay. He's a good quarterback, but he's a little bit game.

[Ish]

Manager.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. So Cam.

[Joe Button]

Was. Was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. Cam.

[Ish]

Newton. I didn't hear what you.

[Flip]

Said. I didn't hear him say that. But I wouldn't be saying that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was the whole beef with him and Gilly was. He was saying like he's not a top.

[Joe Button]

10. Oh, he.

[Ish]

Did? Sure did. He's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ish]

Okay. He's right, bro. Like, he ain't Josh. He.

[Flip]

Not. No, he's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not. He's not with me.

[Ish]

Yo. His.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dog.

[Ish]

Yeah. And I.

[Joe Button]

Hate. You don't have to do all of that. During the game, I was wrestling with the uncomfortable thought that. Holy. Is he not. Is Jalen Harris not better than Brock.

[Flip]

Pie?

[Ish]

He's. They're about the.

[Flip]

Same. They're the same. They're the.

[Ish]

Sameish. To me, Brock is better than.

[Joe Button]

Brock Pie seems to make better than.

[Flip]

Him. He's a little Savier, I guess is the word I.

[Joe Button]

Would. I feel like Jaylen is more talented, but Brock is just better.

[Ish]

Somehow. Brock Pie out there throwing that ball and he makes the quality throws some of the harder throws. Man, Brock P. Like. Yeah, that part too. The.

[Joe Button]

Difference. Okay, that was short, quick and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Concise. Speaking of Cam Newton, since Cam came up, he's made the Internets.

[Joe Button]

Again. Are we gonna tell the truth on this or.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not? He was doing an interview with the always amazing Lady London. Shout out to Lady London, Big jersey. And he was describing his style and he was looking for a really perfect word. And here's what he.

[Joe Button]

Said. Oh, my God, this is a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mess. How would you describe your style in one.

[Ish]

Word? That's an.

[Flip]

Adjective. Can I use a word that I've already.

[Joe Button]

Used?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sure.

[Joe Button]

Eclectic. Say it again in collected. It's.

[Ish]

Eclectic. Well, the heavy on the N.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because there's no end in.

[Joe Button]

It. No, no, no, no. It's my.

[Ish]

Work. Oh, let's unpack this.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Got it. Sure. Word. Spell it for my mom. N, C, L, E, C, T, A.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Eclectic.

[Ish]

Eclectic. Do you want to know what the N stand.

[Joe Button]

For? Gave my out too. Am I right? Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Respectful. You see where I was.

[Joe Button]

Going?

[Ish]

Yeah. Okay, he put a A at the end, but Eclectic with a IC Yeah, I know.

[Joe Button]

Word. We got to hit up Webster. No, we ain't got to hit up nobody. Oxford.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody. Why would we do.

[Joe Button]

That? Do they relate to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Us? Oh, my.

[Ish]

God. I'm pretty big on words. It's kind of how I make my money, but I don't.

[Joe Button]

Know. See, you had to write one and you didn't know.

[Ish]

It. That's what it.

[Joe Button]

Was. You had to write one and you didn't know it. Lady London is the right.

[Ish]

One. Smartest. She don't.

[Joe Button]

Play. You clearly have never. Every. If you watch this interview, and I watch most interviews of it, because how could you not? Every Lady London song is about this. Yes, that's a fact. Anytime you've ever heard Lady London rap, anytime in your life, it was about this.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Somebody else say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Something. Y' all know the German word frem. Shaman with that one. It. It means vicarious embarrassment. Like when you watch somebody do something embarrassing, you feel embarrassed for it. Like I was embarrassed watching this. This is pure frim.

[Joe Button]

Shaming. Like. Yeah, I felt in this. In this cl. See, that's the funny part. Also in that clip where she said that's an adjective. She was playing with him. Cuz earlier he had said, hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up. There's in.

[Joe Button]

This. In this climate that we're in, to really appreciate the creativity, to be able to appreciate the wordsmith, to be able to appreciate nouns, verbs, similes, metaphors.

[Ish]

And all forms of.

[Flip]

Satire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sat.

[Joe Button]

Word. Look it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up. Yes, but I said more friend.

[Ish]

Shaman. He had the wrong.

[Joe Button]

One. He said that to.

[Ish]

Ladies. No, he had the.

[Joe Button]

Wrong.

[Ish]

He. He don't know he had the wrong one. He didn't know. That's a producer just putting somebody in front of you. Yeah, he had the wrong one. He had no idea who he was talking to. Or you are characterizing them as just a rapper.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Chick. That's what I'm.

[Ish]

Saying. You don't know who she is. Knowing that you don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Know. Word. Smith. Howard.

[Ish]

University. My Howard University for undergrad. I think she went to USC for her masters. That's not gonna.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Work. You know.

[Ish]

About. She gonna spin you. Her father's my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man. There you go. Yeah, that's why I know it.

[Ish]

Too. Her father's my man, and her.

[Flip]

Mother. This is my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

People. Then. Then I reserve my.

[Joe Button]

Next. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Shout out to Lady London, Best in the biz. Oh, you got.

[Joe Button]

Me. You got.

[Ish]

Me. Anyway, yo, y' all up here, bro. Do not give us space to be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Successful. Yo, yo, but it's like, this is going back to the thing earlier when we.

[Joe Button]

Was. When.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We. Y. Y' all was teasing Ice, and it's like, why can't dudes just accept the compliment? Why can't dudes just be like, you know what? Thank you for correcting me. I didn't know that word. Like that would have stopped all.

[Ish]

This. Because ego. Ego, in that instance is ego. How dare she now? Yeah, yeah, you're not. You're not proving me.

[Joe Button]

Wrong. I knew that. Man, the talk don't even start.

[Ish]

There. Yo, family spelled it with hey at the end. Eclectic. He said it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Eclectic. I.

[Joe Button]

Know. We got a large audience. We have. We have people from all walks of life listening to this podcast cast unnatural to think everyone will identify with everything that we say. I understand that this is the dude that makes or has made $100 million. I'm not talking about Cam Newton specifically. I'm saying this is all of the guys who have made a certain amount of coins point play in a certain park, dress a certain way, and when the attractive women come around, they jump outside of their bodies and stacking.

[Ish]

Yeah. Just to be near.

[Joe Button]

Me. Yo, like, you know what this is? We've seen this hold.

[Ish]

Up. Who jumps outside their bodies? The.

[Joe Button]

Guy.

[Ish]

Yeah. Oh, he's saying the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Guy.

[Ish]

Yeah. Oh, I thought we were saying. That's what I.

[Flip]

Thought. She did not jump.

[Joe Button]

Outside. No, no, no, no. Not.

[Flip]

Her. Not.

[Ish]

Her. He says normally what they're used.

[Joe Button]

To. Both of these instances happen. No, y' all are not wrong. I'm not.

[Ish]

Wrong. Now it's just getting. Classic.

[Joe Button]

Situation. Gotcha. We're not talking about when the girl jumps out of her body to that guy goes differently. We're talking about when the guy is jumping outside of his body to get some attention or to come off a certain way or to have. Have her see him a certain way, or you only have. Have a. An allotted amount of time with a girl in an interview. So you trying to jazz up a certain way like Cam. And they can spot that. She can spot that, fam. She's seen this from a million miles away.

[Ish]

Fam. He said satire and then said.

[Joe Button]

Sat.

[Flip]

Word. Look it.

[Ish]

Up. Look it up. I think he was.

[Joe Button]

Doing. He was doing a Lot. I don't think he was doing it. I think that that has worked before somewhere. Yeah, I think that that has worked somewhere but.

[Ish]

Before. Let's be clear as a man. You want to have a conversation I'm.

[Joe Button]

Having? Of course. Join.

[Ish]

Me. Everything works when they on your dick. And that's what I was talking about. Her jumping out of her body. Everything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Works.

[Ish]

Yeah. So this, this line.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here. Stupid.

[Joe Button]

Exactly. Knowing you full of. But she just on your. She don't care. But again, some men we expect to know what to do when they.

[Ish]

Aren'T. Some people don't have a second.

[Joe Button]

Move. Counterpoint.

[Ish]

Bro. Everybody ain't cool. Kobe.

[Joe Button]

Some. But we not put their head.

[Ish]

Down and go to the bucket if it don't work. I'm just gonna have a up.

[Joe Button]

Game. I know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But she's so.

[Joe Button]

Stupid. Yeah, but I'm talking about the men that you just expect. And not to say I had more expectation of Cam Newton because I've seen enough from Cam Newton to kind.

[Ish]

Of come on, I appreciate him. I.

[Joe Button]

Like. Stop. Yeah, but I forgot what I was saying to you, Joe. I forgot what I was saying.

[Ish]

For men of that caliber because again, this off camera can for men in that caliber, a lot of them, not all of them are accustomed to my go to move working. It's worked since I was a high school all.

[Joe Button]

American.

[Ish]

Right. So now I don't have to develop other skills because these set of skills that I have, they typically.

[Joe Button]

Work. But you never need another set of skills until you.

[Ish]

Do. Until you need them, but you don't know you need them. And then you get instances like this when a girl. And again, it's not about Cam. There are times when your money game didn't work. She got her own money. It was time when you was the smartest in the room and the. The smarts didn't work. You got to be able to pivot and do other.

[Joe Button]

Shit. See, when we have this talk for me I don't imagine the room full of paupers and. And.

[Ish]

I'm. That's why I took it.

[Joe Button]

Off. Like I was watching the Golden Globes last night. Everybody's him now. Now what.

[Ish]

Happens?

[Joe Button]

Yes. Right, Everybody in here. There's Kevin Hart. Next to him is the Rock over there. That's Leo and them right there, that's. Every single person here is dumb. Most of the presenters were funny sense of humor, through the moon, charming, wealth, articulate. These well educated, like, you know.

[Ish]

You know what a lot of score the ball. You know what a lot of niggas do score the ball, stay out of the rooms. True. A lot of niggas won't go in them rooms because they fall him a bunch of them. I need to be in the winning man. I'm the only him. Yeah, the ocean is big. My. It's a lot of niggas that want to play in that pond over there and be the biggest fish. So that's the point that yo dog, your. Your personality, your sense of humor, your intelligence, your charisma has to win when everybody is playing on the same platform playing field. That's why I said everybody ain't Kobe. We are athletic in the NBA. My, it's a bunch of six. Six that could run and jump score the ball when you're not playing with that's 5, 11. And a lot of times you throw that the ball, he dead in the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Water. You get.

[Joe Button]

Eclectic. Every lady they clicked up. Every lady London bar is about meeting this type of dude. What he attempts to do versus And I'm not.

[Ish]

Impressed. And I ain't the one.

[Joe Button]

Impressed. I'm not the one different from the rest of the girls. She went on in the same interview to say, yo, I've. I've been appreciated by. By some people in my past and I've been understood by some people in my past, but I've never been both. Like she's. She's sitting here breaking it down for him, trying to have an in depth conversation with. With this your.

[Ish]

Dog. And sometimes yo, the sentence that you just gave. I didn't see the interview. But I've been appreciated by people in my past and I've been understood and I've been understood by people in my past, but never.

[Joe Button]

Both. You know what he said most nobody said that. He said what he said. Say more. I'm sitting there watching. Like, did you. She said exactly what.

[Ish]

The. She.

[Joe Button]

Just. This was driving me.

[Ish]

Crazy. Back to the point that say more be working for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You trying to get them to talk right now. It seems like I'm into you young listeners.

[Ish]

So. Well, most men of your stature, they just want to over talk. You was just such a great.

[Joe Button]

Listener. You're the king listener. You should know about that. You right. Yeah, but you don't have to do that. You don't have to do what he did. I'm asking you, would you do what he did or you know how to. Yo, what percentage of do you listen to? Seriously, you'd be on the phone a lot. Like what percentage of would you say is just absolute.

[Ish]

Horseshit? The people that I'M on the phone with they my people. So I don't. But you saying like they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don'T. That's a good.

[Ish]

Answer. So we already friends, but you talking about like if you start meeting a girl that you got trick to.

[Joe Button]

That. Yeah. Get straight to that. That ain't scratching his ball.

[Ish]

Spot. No, I'm trying to think of it. I'm trying to think of you.

[Joe Button]

Always. We've all. We've all done. We've all.

[Ish]

Bro. We've all tolerated listening to people that you trying to get to a place with. It's par for the course. Everybody not gonna just sit up here and be Socrates when you're talking to them. Some of these are saying stupid. But the people that we are. That you and I are.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ass.

[Joe Button]

Listen. No, no, no. That's why I don't let him talk. No, that's why I don't let him talk. Because we as we asked you because you log more phone hours than the field. We not talking necessarily. We're not talking about 1000%.

[Ish]

True. So listen to this. What I'm saying though is back in those days, yo, you gotta tolerate some of the bullshit. You gotta be listening to some shit you like. Oh man. But a part of that and getting somewhere is have you checking some of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. Have you ever said say.

[Ish]

More. If I really was concerned about. Yeah, if you wanted to.

[Joe Button]

Elaborate.

[Ish]

Collaborative. I said no, he don't.

[Joe Button]

Say. He's be getting off from trying to teach business. Mr. Crafty. What's wrong with your Sheetrock? Yeah, that's such a corny move. Trying to teach. You know, they came out. They came out with a new sewing machine. Get that done way faster. Wait, what spread is that?

[Ish]

Sweat. Ask the real women what turns them on. And learning something. Learning something from a.

[Joe Button]

Man. Wasn't talking to a like.

[Ish]

That. Trying to do.

[Joe Button]

That. Which also not about.

[Ish]

Joe. Which also it's not about Joe. I'm saying older, like mature women, they love learning something from a.

[Joe Button]

Man. You in a room full of. We all agree with.

[Ish]

That. No, they gassing it. Like I'm shooting at you. I wasn't shooting at.

[Joe Button]

You. I don't pay them no mind. My. My shot which preceded your shot at me was that you lead with the teach. That's why it's nothing wrong with.

[Ish]

That. That's not.

[Joe Button]

True. You. You jump. You jump right in and try to teach. Hey, you know that ain't the best washer and dryer. This is not a Samsung. It's lead.

[Ish]

With. That's not.

[Joe Button]

True. See that ocean dryer, if you let it see your house, it was laser.

[Ish]

Dryer. That's not.

[Joe Button]

True. What the fuck? Everybody's.

[Ish]

Telling. Look, this. This goes back to our original point. That don't work with.

[Joe Button]

Everybody. Yo. Who installed this oven? Kobe to use this show. Who installed.

[Ish]

This? Kobe.

[Joe Button]

Bryant.

[Ish]

Joe. That don't work with everybody. You got to be malleable. That don't work with.

[Flip]

Everybody. That's Kobe right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There. He said him to.

[Flip]

Kobe. That's Kobe right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There. The.

[Flip]

Mamba. The white.

[Joe Button]

Kobe whitish mamba. This all right. The same teach. Listen to.

[Ish]

These. Nah, don't work with.

[Joe Button]

Everybody. Teaching your way into some is.

[Ish]

Funny. I.

[Joe Button]

Know. That is.

[Ish]

Funny. I gotta learn how to trauma bond better.

[Joe Button]

Huh? No, no, no. Damn. Yo, that's the other shoulder, and he said the last one wasn't a shot. But you don't need to know how to drama bond.

[Ish]

When. When you can.

[Joe Button]

Teach. No, when you fool. Well, when you get hired to fix something and then go in the house and fix up else. Hey, you. You don't need the trauma bond. You don't need the trauma bond. When they call you for a leaky faucet and then you find a different one. You don't need a trauma.

[Ish]

Bond. Every handyman don't get the handy. You got to do something to get.

[Joe Button]

It. Every handyman handyman get that handy. This.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Goat. You need a coach.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Ish]

Stupid. Every handyman don't get that.

[Joe Button]

Handy. What else needs our attention? Attention. What else needs our attention? Meow. Big.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

News. Hot.

[Joe Button]

97. Let me hit the round of applause for my man Mel. Hey. Mero has been announced as the new morning show host of the Hot 97 Morning Show. I'm not. I'm not sure if they have a working title yet. For what? In the morning, Mero in the morning. Lot of personality into that one. But salute for getting a native New Yorker. Yeah. Somebody that knows the city, speaks the city speaks to the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

City. Cult.

[Joe Button]

Following. Somebody that's funny. Like, let's see how it.

[Ish]

Goes. I listened a little bit to the cause. The first show was.

[Joe Button]

Tuesday.

[Ish]

Okay. So I listened for about an.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hour while I was.

[Ish]

Out. And how was the freeze? He sounded real comfortable. It sounded very New York. Very New.

[Joe Button]

York. Like, I think he was just screaming white boy music. You did when you went up. I see why you didn't get the call. Let me check.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You. Let me check.

[Joe Button]

You. But he not a loop. He not a loop. That 20 mil that screaming white boy. Niggas been knew Mero had a job that's number one. Number two, you do that. I speak to Po. I speak to the niggas that was around and put the word in for me for. I need the word to be put in.

[Ish]

I'm. I'm.

[Joe Button]

Okay. You show them that you're able to handle situations and bring your own flavor to any situation that you going to. That's why I'm here as well, bringing my own flavor. Know who you talking to. And remember that how you talk to me. Big facts. They better stop playing with me. Shout out to Mel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Method. That is great.

[Flip]

Man. I love.

[Ish]

It. Yeah, he was good. He was good. I listen. Any co host. It. It's the. The crew that was there with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ebro. No.

[Ish]

Mia. Oh, so it's the Shawnee.

[Joe Button]

Shawnee.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Excuse me for not having all your names. Cast one is still dj. Like, it's them, but now Mero's.

[Joe Button]

Done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha. That's. It seemed like a perfect.

[Joe Button]

Fit.

[Ish]

Stop. I enjoyed.

[Joe Button]

It.

[Ish]

The. The.

[Joe Button]

What? I.

[Ish]

Heard. I enjoyed.

[Joe Button]

It.

[Ish]

It's. I'm a fan of Meros, though, so. Me.

[Joe Button]

Too. Me.

[Ish]

Too. It worked out. I think that was a good.

[Joe Button]

Pickup. That's what's up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe. What you.

[Joe Button]

Think? Did you say what you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Think? I said I think it's a perfect.

[Joe Button]

Fit. This is what I think, because I ain't y'. All. I laughed for a long time when they announced Mero, and that was it. I'm like, where the fuck anybody else I said? I said, either they saved a whole lot of money. Cause who the hell is marriages up up there going two week one day and announce a crew. A friend. I got to give me the name. They saving money. Like I'm an announcement. No, no, I'm saying I.

[Ish]

Did. No, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. They.

[Ish]

They. Hell, yeah. They saved money with the first announcement on the.

[Joe Button]

Poster. I just. It's just Mel. Yeah, it ain't shy. Cast one is my man, but Cast.

[Ish]

Yeah. But yes, it was all money saving when they let the first crew go. That was a money move.

[Joe Button]

Supposedly. Yo, don't announce me like. Nah, nigga, they stayed.

[Ish]

There. They've been on there the whole.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Time. Nah, that's what I'm saying. So he don't got a crew. That's what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Saying. You niggas mute up. I want a joke, man. Y' all trying to be fucking serious. Don't announce me by myself, nigga. And if you do, I'm bringing my friend with.

[Ish]

Me. I'mma have a soft voice with.

[Joe Button]

Me. Somebody gonna Be behind me. He just look lonely in the picture. Picture. We just fired five in Laura. Ebro. Ebro. Walking around the apple, we defied. They talking about, yo, Mero, you putting a lot of pressure on one man. And now Mero. Mero can continue his long standing beef with DJ.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Envy. Yeah, that's gonna be.

[Ish]

Interesting. That's what. When the name was first, you know, the clues that was dropped, we were trying to figure out who it was. It said, we'll shake. That was the reason why. To me, I'm like, this is definitely a shake up.

[Joe Button]

Now. Because now has enough time passed for us to declare a winner in the Desis and Mero split. Come on. With all this friendly political bullshit we got to.

[Flip]

Do. Mero's up right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now. Mero's definitely.

[Flip]

Up. Mero's.

[Joe Button]

Up. Mero's been up.

[Ish]

Yeah. Do we.

[Joe Button]

Know.

[Flip]

See? And that's Desus looked like he was trying.

[Joe Button]

To. We thought when the breakup happened, Desus was rumored to be going to Hollywood to pursue. He was acting. Late night chops. He was getting the late night pretty late. It looked like Desus was about to just. And Merrow's gonna be crying in the basement somewhere. But it's not what happened. Not at all. Not what happened at all. Mero's on the Melo show. Got his morning show. Like, Mero's got good stuff going on, man. I hope he's still not mad at me. Why was he mad at me again? You. What did I.

[Flip]

Say? You shot at him for shooting at you. I forgot what it was.

[Joe Button]

See? Oh, yeah. I.

[Ish]

Remember. I.

[Joe Button]

Remember. I remember, see? And that's another reason. Congratulations to Barrel. I remember it now. I remember. Congratulations to.

[Ish]

Merced. Well, it was. It was a soft.

[Flip]

Press. It was a funny press.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I did not press him. I know.

[Flip]

He. At the clip.

[Ish]

Show. At the clip.

[Joe Button]

Show. Oh, when he pressed y'. All. Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

About. Well, not I'll press, but I like when that happens. Press my friends over some.

[Ish]

Shit. I said, yo, man, Joe, we.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cool. What's up.

[Ish]

Man? I'm like, yo, man, I don't.

[Joe Button]

Know. Yeah. Let me see if these, please, are still sharp when they. When they. When they copping.

[Ish]

Them. I said, what do you need, please, for congratulations?

[Joe Button]

Congratulations. How about.

[Ish]

That? That's right. Hey, listen. Like I said, I listened. I loved.

[Joe Button]

It. We leading with positivity and love for the 2026. Ain't no hate nowhere, but bring a friend for the next photo shoot. That did look a little lonely. It's my name on New.

[Ish]

York. You think you need a female voice.

[Joe Button]

Too? No, I just didn't. I'm talking about there's a female up.

[Ish]

There. I'm sorry that. I don't know the names, but like I said, there's was a clue that.

[Joe Button]

Was. I saw Mia Bell up there, man. I'm telling you, I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Familiar. Shout out to Mia.

[Joe Button]

Bell. M's a personality. I'm not shouting you out until I'm familiar. I don't do that. What you mean she. She been on 97bls bet like me and Bell is. Shout out to her. I'll go research her and make sure you do. Is that something to make sure? No, I'm just saying because you're going now. I got to take it somewhere else. She put it on for the.

[Ish]

Women.

[Joe Button]

She. Okay. Then things turn out all right. So go me about. I ain't trying to be funny.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Sorry. I don't want to play with you. I thought. Your voice is powerful. I played that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Already. He won. He won that.

[Joe Button]

Game, man. What.

[Ish]

Else? What.

[Joe Button]

Else? What.

[Ish]

Else? What.

[Joe Button]

Else? More New York news, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Said? Yeah, a couple things. One is the. The video was released. The Jim and Dame.

[Joe Button]

Drama. No, I don't want to get into that New York news, okay? Not yet. I want to get into. I want to get into what the mayor is doing with New York City bathrooms. I know, opening them. If you live somewhere else in the world, why would you give a fuck about this? But if you're in New York, this is a big deal to me. What is he doing? He is opening them and creating more bathrooms to be used. Because he says, and I quote, you shouldn't have to spend $9 to use the bathroom. I'm with him. And it wasn't until he said that that I actually thought about it. That has happened to me quite a few times in New York City. And it never feels good. It never. It never feels good. But if I don't have to pee. If I don't have to pee.

[Flip]

Or shit or use the.

[Joe Button]

Bathroom. I like the rule. I do. I like the rule. I like.

[Flip]

It. Yeah, you like it. Until you run around fucking, knocking on random doors.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Turning. Exactly. Which happened to me, like.

[Joe Button]

Today. There's not a year in my 40s where I haven't pissed on myself. It's not a year. It's not a year in my 40s where I haven't pissed straight down my leg on some G.

[Ish]

Shit. That's not G.

[Joe Button]

Though. That's not G. It is G. Learn learning about Your body and how much I talked about it up here. How in my 40s, I could no longer walk by a restroom and be like, I'll.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait.

[Joe Button]

Right. Sometimes I'm timing it. I'm just timing it wrong. And then you rush. Everything moves slow. When you got a piss, too. Elevators that piss just be.

[Ish]

Like, you're a wild boy.

[Joe Button]

Yourself. Yes. What you think is going to happen as we.

[Ish]

Age? I'm older than.

[Joe Button]

You. I. Well, we got different regions, but. But as you. As you say, your Is expensive. Watch your mother like that. Watch your mouth, bro. I'm just saying as you age. Well, you'll see sooner than me that that's something that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Happens. You never piss yourself?

[Joe Button]

Never. What age? How old you think you'll be when you put a diaper.

[Ish]

On? Hopefully.

[Joe Button]

80. All.

[Ish]

Right. You think.

[Joe Button]

Early. Never mind.

[Ish]

Yes. What'd you.

[Joe Button]

Think? No. Well, I don't know how it's.

[Ish]

Balanced. Something about.

[Joe Button]

You. You said.

[Ish]

You. He said 80, and you say. Yeah.

[Flip]

Like. Like he didn't say nothing.

[Joe Button]

About. I think. I think the diaper would come. Early.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

70S. Early.

[Joe Button]

70S. Wow. Early 70s.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn. My pop used the diaper.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

80. No, he needed a diaper around 8,000, 384. He was stubborn with it. But, like, he needed one in the mid-80s. That's about. That was.

[Ish]

My. My godfather just passed away a couple months ago. He was 78 years old. Rest in peace, pop. And he ain't have no.

[Joe Button]

Diaper. Well, nobody could say none if you bring up a relative of yours that recently passed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Away. So rest in.

[Ish]

Peace. He. I'm telling you, he didn't have a diaper at.

[Joe Button]

All. I'm telling you that I'm uncomfortable even moving forward because you have a family member. No, that's.

[Ish]

Real. All right, so wait, back to this. I was 44 before, and I ain't pissed on myself. And you said you did it every year of your.

[Joe Button]

40S. Oh, every year. We ain't even counting.

[Ish]

My. Go outside and.

[Joe Button]

Pee. Yeah, Joe, for.

[Ish]

Real. Go pee outside, bro. I'd rather whip out in traffic than pee on.

[Joe Button]

Myself. Are you.

[Ish]

Crazy? People just end up on a list like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. You always got the luxury to peeing in the.

[Ish]

Corner. We men now. Shit on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yourself. Yeah. That's a tough.

[Joe Button]

One. That's a tough.

[Flip]

One.

[Ish]

Yeah. Nah, that's why Flip found them bottles in your.

[Joe Button]

Car. Yeah, I wasn't even counting those years. Y. Take it back to outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Outside. You.

[Flip]

Outside. What I should have on the subway platform one time. So.

[Joe Button]

I'm. I'M I'm all for Roy W.

[Ish]

I find a spot as an.

[Joe Button]

Adult. Yes. Yo, we will not hold these airwaves hostage. Talking to y' all more about our stool. I already seen y' all was mad that we did it on Monday's patreon. I saw what you said. But before we leave the topic. Before we leave the topic. Back in the day, we used to be on a date. I did think it was some g. When she be like, hell, let me out. I'm about to behind this tree. Not. But, you know, do both the doors. Let me get between the doors, squat between the two. Little.

[Ish]

Squat. A little.

[Joe Button]

Squat. That don't turn you on when they do that? Tell the truth. Piss.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Piss. I'm.

[Ish]

Talking. No, not.

[Flip]

No. That was Papa.

[Joe Button]

Squad. Let me.

[Ish]

Out. Our bond got a little stronger after you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Anyway, what were you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying? I just resent that places make you pay to use it when you like. This morning, my son had to go to the bathroom, which is, he's a jerk because we left the house and I told him, like, yo, just pee. And you know, no, I don't have to, I don't have to, I don't have to all that. Then as soon as we get in the car, I gotta pee, I gotta pee. I can't make it to school, so I have to find like a Dr. Diner. And then you walk in the diner, there's a bathroom there, and it's.

[Ish]

Like, would you say customers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Only? Yeah, but nobody's using it and the place is empty. Like, let me. I would have bought something just.

[Ish]

On gp and that's what, that's what you.

[Joe Button]

Do. He's a baby.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You. Yeah, right.

[Ish]

Exactly. My son has to pee. Yo, right there, second door on the left. I, I, I think that should have let him loose. I think it's a case by case basis because. And then we talking about New York, bro. So it's 10 million people, 15 million people any given day walking through New York. You gotta kind of weed out the might go in your bathroom and shoot up. Like, you never know what's going on in New York. Yeah. Like, you kind of gotta, gotta filter it some.

[Flip]

Way. Hopefully they have good staff to maintain these open bathrooms. But I mean, I think it's good even for tourism. I've had a lot of people come down here and, like, complain about having to go to the bathroom and walking around New.

[Joe Button]

York.

[Flip]

Sure. Because a lot of tourists come and just walk.

[Ish]

Around. I think it's scary. Scary too, bro. Like I think it presents a problem if they don't have a police presence close by. I think it presents a potential.

[Joe Button]

Problem. It.

[Ish]

Could. So I think that's might be why they close some of them up, especially in certain neighborhoods. And it could, you know, T's and peas. But so just so I understand.

[Joe Button]

All right, one of y' all close.

[Ish]

This out though, because nobody really explained. You said the mayor's opening more bathrooms. What's he doing? Public bathrooms or he's just making restaurants say it's not customers, only public. So they put in public.

[Flip]

Restaurants. They already exist. They just be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Closed. Most of the time. They be.

[Ish]

Closed. Okay, see, I didn't. For those who. Not in New York, who don't be in New York, we didn't understand what that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Means. Yeah, they exist cuz they're unsafe and people use them for freaky. It's. It's the.

[Ish]

Combo. All.

[Joe Button]

Right? People, huh? Not I. Yeah, but somebody in the room never got Frank. That line never loses. Yo, Somebody in the room did this. Voted for Trump. No, that line. That line never lose. You can say anything after that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. Speaking of.

[Joe Button]

Freaky, look at you. You're a good boy. That boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. A couple days ago, Freaky Zeke released the video footage, the long discussed video footage of the almost fight between Dame Dash.

[Ish]

And. Oh, Zeke released.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Between Dame Dash and Jim.

[Joe Button]

Jones. You still you. You on Explorer.

[Ish]

Firefox. I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Follow. I.

[Joe Button]

Don'T. I don't.

[Ish]

Follow. Freaky Zeke. I seen the clip all over the place. I didn't know the originator of the.

[Joe Button]

Clip. Oh, everybody answer.

[Ish]

Me. What is. What are you talking.

[Joe Button]

About?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Internet? Are you familiar Internet.

[Ish]

Explorer? Yo, dog, he got the HP over.

[Flip]

There. Yeah, he's a chrome.

[Ish]

Guy. I am. Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Though. Yeah, so. So the video was released. The footage showed. It seemed to corroborate the story that Cam had talked about months ago, which was that at some point, Jim rolled up on Dame with a couple guys to fight. Dame was prepared to fight. They ended up arguing. In the video, you can hear people intervening. You can hear people trying to stop them from fighting. You can hear Dame saying, I'm not going nowhere. This is my block. You can hear, you know, Jim arguing back. You know what I mean? There's nothing you could do with these guys, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It seemed like Dame was asking for a fair one. They never got to the actual.

[Joe Button]

Fight. Thank.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

God. Thank God. And I'm glad to see that. And the clip comes out and People have been talking about how each person handled the situation. Situation. Personally, I just hate that the whole thing happened, man. Like, and I hate that the video came out, because sometimes you can have, like, a story or a rumor. Y' all can get over it, but once footage comes out, it's harder to get over, because now the world sees it and it's talking about.

[Joe Button]

It. I think both parties might be over it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Already.

[Joe Button]

Good. I don't know how old that footage is. I see. I see. I see Dame being champion for how he handled the situation. Awesome. I see niggas kicking. Kicking gems back. Back in for what he did and how he handled it. I could have done without.

[Ish]

It. It's mad. It's from when Dame had a art gallery.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Downtown.

[Ish]

Yeah. It was a.

[Joe Button]

Long. Oh, that's way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Back. Yeah. That's what made it funny. Get off my block. It's like, that's where they was at.

[Ish]

Yeah. In front of the art.

[Joe Button]

Gallery. They wanted the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That was a long time ago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Then. Yeah. That's what made the timing of it a little whack to me. Like, the timing, not anybody. Just the timing of it is like. Like when people got issues. Video release. All this shit just can ratchet shit up. I'm just at a point now where I don't want to see nothing bad happen to nobody. And I want to. Like we said last week, I said I want them to heal and get back together, maybe one day be friends again. You said some shit is just dead. If it's just dead and y' all not gonna be cool, then just let it be nothing. This stuff doesn't help even get to a place of, like.

[Joe Button]

Quiet. And then Ju? El started posting, like, some cryptic messages saying everybody got a lot to say, but forget that I'm the one with the most to say. However, I'm choosing honor over.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Content.

[Ish]

Yeah, he said that a few.

[Joe Button]

Times. Well, that's how he's.

[Ish]

Moved. Yeah, he said that a few.

[Joe Button]

Times. He's moved that way. I never really heard much from.

[Ish]

Joel. He don't do that. He don't say a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. Yo, that's a bar. Honor over content is, like, the opposite of what this world.

[Joe Button]

Is. That's the problem. It'd be a bar instead of a behavior. Right? Right.

[Ish]

Yeah. Sound good.

[Joe Button]

People? Just a bar. I'm coming back to the game. Come on, come on. They try to. They try to die. Come on, give it up. I'm coming back to the game soon. A little ep. Let me go.

[Ish]

Ahead. Okay. You saying we Know the footage is old, but given the comments made from. And I don't have a dog in this fight, but from Jim to freaky Zeke. Do you understand why Zeke would release the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Footage? I.

[Ish]

Do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. I get exactly the line of thinking of it as an outsider who is a fan of.

[Ish]

Everybody. Yeah. I don't want to see.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anything. I don't want to see it because I don't want anything else to happen. But I get how you get there. I get how A leads to B And B. You're 100% right. I get how it played out. Excuse me. But. Yeah, I just. I just hate to say it, that's.

[Joe Button]

All. I'm glad nothing happened. I mean, I don't. I don't have nothing to say about it. I'm glad that nothing happened.

[Ish]

Sucks. And I don't want nothing to happen now. Like that. They talking today like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. That's my.

[Ish]

Point. Like, I just. I don't want to see none of.

[Joe Button]

This. I'm just. I'm over it.

[Ish]

Man. I wish they could. I wish all of them the best, and I hope nothing goes any further and.

[Joe Button]

Just. Okay, well, podcasts are not entertaining when we wish peace for everyone. So sorry. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but when we wish peace, we could just table it.

[Flip]

Yeah. Table the.

[Joe Button]

Peace. Yeah. I mean, we can wish them peace, dog. When there's two that we wanted to get it on, I'll come in here and say.

[Ish]

That. Yeah, but I don't want these.

[Joe Button]

To get it on, cuz that's what I just.

[Ish]

Said. Not.

[Joe Button]

These. That's all I'm. I agree with you. I'm just saying it's not entertaining. Damn. My is. That's how I know I'll be sleep at 6:30. My ain't on silent no more. All right, there we go. Actually, two that I want to see. Fight Dennis Schroeder, Luca Doncic begging for this.

[Ish]

Fight. Leave my.

[Joe Button]

Luca. That. That. That's the fight I want to.

[Ish]

See. I'm not mad at.

[Joe Button]

That. In a December game, Luca was talking slick to Dennis Schroeder at the free throw line. And he was like, no, no, not at the free throw line, the game or before the game. And he said, should have, should have, should have took that.

[Ish]

Deal. Oh, yeah, you should.

[Joe Button]

Have. Infamous deal that Dennis Schroeder didn't sign for all of the money from the Lakers. So Luca took it upon himself being a dick, because Luca's a dick to say, you should have signed that contract. Now while Luka's making all the money in the world. You're not gonna say that to me. So Dennis told him, yo, I'mma you up. I'mma fuck you up when I see you. I'm not taking kindly to what you're saying out here. And when I see you, I' ma fuck you up. So after the game, they saw each other in the hall. And word on the curb is Dennis Schroeder put them paws on Luca. Smack said, I'm fine. What's all that shit you were saying? He said, I'm not with you. Calling me a bitch on the court and then off the court acting like everything is all good. I'm not with it. So the NBA put out a report that said an incident report that said, on this day, after this game, there was an incident in the tunnel in which Dennis Schroeder attempted to smack Luka. And then Dennis Schroeder commented underneath it and said.

[Ish]

Attempted. Y' all tried to clean it up. He was trying to allege. So nigga don't get no charges, no suspension. And we trying to help your dumbass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. He's like, it was.

[Joe Button]

Successful. See now.

[Ish]

Connection. I connected to.

[Flip]

The. You already done fucked up the.

[Joe Button]

Deal. You might as well get something. We you getting some money. We all want to suspend your dumb ass. But that's my point. Dice like, back to the gym, Cam versus like, I want. You want to see Luca get? I I. Yo, leave L. No, Luca got a real smackable face. He does the way that he.

[Ish]

Talk, the way that be bullying him. Yo, he got Chip on his shoulder. It's mad times he be getting bullied. He like, yo, what do you mad like? Somebody will push him or mush him or some.

[Joe Button]

Shit?

[Ish]

Yeah. He'd be like, yo, you just mad I'm busting your ass. He'll say, literally busting your ass like, you bullying this white boy. Cause you know he can't physically beat you. Cause he gave you 40 and you frustrated. I'm kicking your ass. All right, you can keep.

[Flip]

Mushing. I'm still better than you.

[Ish]

Though. I'm still kicking your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ass. I'm with you on that. But Luke could be moving on the court sometimes. Sometimes he do talk shit or talk like a tough.

[Ish]

Guy. I know he talks hella.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shit. And so if you talk shit like that, the people you know are capable of smacking and you. And you keep doing it, then you got to be prepared for the.

[Ish]

Smack. I just told.

[Joe Button]

You. Be like, yeah, I take it a step further. I think that the NBA should adopt some of that hockey. In hockey they paused the game. This game is on pause. They taking off and the audience starts. It turned into like some gladiator. The audience be like neon lights come on and they drop. And they drop the sticks. No, they drop their clothes and they get to skating. Squaring up like this like the Dukes of Hazards talent. And then they fight for about 90 seconds or so before the refs jump.

[Flip]

In. Give them the one on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One. I respect.

[Joe Button]

That. Hockey is crazy. One day we going to talk about how sports is really crazy. Sports are nuts.

[Ish]

Yo. And they implement them. Get that hoodie over your.

[Joe Button]

Head. How can you get that.

[Ish]

Jersey? You got protected jersey. Them are.

[Joe Button]

Get. I liked Jose Alderz beating up Mark Williams last week or two weeks ago off the Phoenix Suns. I liked him punching him in the face. Sometimes a good sports fight is just what you need sitting home at your living.

[Flip]

Room. Yeah, let a fair one on one happen. I'm with.

[Ish]

You. Yeah, let it.

[Joe Button]

Go. Hip hop fights is different. Hip hop fights will shoot you with something with a switch on it. In sports there's a different respect. We know you need your limbs. We know you need your limbs. We know not going to.

[Flip]

Crazy. Your face can get lumped.

[Ish]

Up. That's a 610, 290 pounds trying to knock your face.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Off. Yeah, that's what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Saying. Well just last week I saw a guy that was 6 11, 200 and however many pounds get beat the up by somebody that was 5 10, 5 11. He looked like he didn't have a fight in his life. Mark Williams of the Phoenix.

[Ish]

Suns. Bro, that.

[Joe Button]

What'S. Look at me saying his name. In case you missed it twice, here's the guy that can't fight Mark Williams off the sun. He couldn't fight a lick to be that tall with his arms that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Long. Most people six' ten can't.

[Joe Button]

Fight. Most people probably.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can'T. Most people can't fight. But most big men have never actually been in a fight because their.

[Ish]

Size is so big that they never got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tested. Yeah, they never got.

[Ish]

Tested. And they just think being big and.

[Joe Button]

Strong. Pause again though. Pause. That they're just so big. It was so big. They never got so big. They never got too big. Arrest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Him. But I was just saying it's hard to let one. What's happening in basketball now Cuz everybody's so big and strong. You can literally kill somebody. I mean kill somebody. You think about even Rudy Tomjanovich back in the day. You know what I mean like broke that. He almost died. He literally almost died. Cuz he you.

[Joe Button]

Somebody. What happened with.

[Ish]

Rudy? Tom Jonovich got punched in the face. And who hit him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Again? What was dude named.

[Joe Button]

Something. Y don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing. Black.

[Ish]

Guy. Big black dude punch him in the face and broke his orbital bone. He really almost.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Died. He literally almost.

[Joe Button]

Died. Big black dude.

[Ish]

That'S dropped.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Greg was soft.

[Ish]

Though. 6, 10, 2, 8.

[Flip]

0. Kermit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Washington. Kermit.

[Joe Button]

Washington. Yes. Yo, y' all broke a Kermit Washington story. I could kill these. Did y' all just start telling me about what Kermit Washington did?

[Ish]

Washington. It's a point to the story. That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Already all it take is one bad punch.

[Ish]

Neighbor. And Kobe, that's better. Little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Too. Rest in peace to.

[Joe Button]

Kobe. All of this is better than J. Jason Williams.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And Jersey's.

[Joe Button]

Finest. Sorry. That was. That was.

[Ish]

Low. That was very low.

[Joe Button]

Joe. Guys, that was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Low. That was.

[Joe Button]

Unacceptable. And Jason Williams a good guy. Anytime I seen. Anytime I seen him. Greatest guy in the world. But that one night. But that one.

[Ish]

Night.

[Joe Button]

Night. The details are.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fuzzy. Yes. The who knew estates.

[Joe Button]

Was. Yeah. Sometimes I'll be always just thinking about all the incidents in which the details are fuzzy. It's mad of them. What I'm still not over Covid is the biggest heist in the history. I walked outside the other day and took a fresh breath of fresh air. Was like, that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wild. Al Kovit just.

[Joe Button]

Disappeared.

[Flip]

Yo. And everything is still twice as expensive as it was.

[Joe Button]

Before. I'm not going to lie to you. Hey, sometimes Issue and Kyrie have a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Point. For the record. Kobe to back up.

[Joe Button]

Though. For the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Record. What Co rates are back up right.

[Joe Button]

Now. Not getting no more shots. Not getting me again. You got me. You talking about not getting me again. Nothing but a big cold they made. But there's too many people they got too. Just too what? Too much money. Too much money. They'll put some out there my stupid ass mad start dying and then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all take it.

[Ish]

Away. Yo, when. When the Moderna stock dropped, it was 28. I was telling others, yo, buy Moderna. I'm telling you, I ain't buy one share. That went to almost.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

$500. Are you.

[Joe Button]

Serious? Yo, that is.

[Ish]

So. That went from $28 to four.

[Joe Button]

Something. That is so on brand for ish. It.

[Ish]

Is. It really is. That's true. That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Him. Every part of.

[Ish]

It. He'll give you the best advice in the world. Yo. 28 grand would have had you Dam near half a mil. 400 and something.

[Flip]

Thousand. Couple grand would have been.

[Ish]

Nice. 28 though, with you. Round. Nice round.

[Joe Button]

Number. Sure.

[Ish]

Sure. Dog made billions of dollars and.

[Flip]

The prices still never went back. They just left it.

[Joe Button]

Up. Yeah, left it up. Tastes so crazy now. Now when they get the flu, it's like a bad flu. It ain't the flu we grew up.

[Ish]

With. Now they sell you on. Yeah, it's super fluid. Yeah, it's more aggressive flu this season they just so get another flu.

[Joe Button]

Shot. They just took the plus off the COVID and sent it.

[Ish]

Around. Rsv.

[Joe Button]

Abc. That's all they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did. So no Kobe shots for.

[Joe Button]

Y'. All no more. Hell, had me at this stupid ass Walmart in Bayonne at six in the.

[Ish]

Morning. It's Olympic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now. I'm not taking no crazy shots I never heard of. So yesterday I was jabbing my.

[Joe Button]

Stomach. Let me ask that question. We made those zippers joke, but what if A had to take it for some health issues or something like that then and my girl ain't around. Tomorrow's my third week. I gotta start that mean one of my man's gotta do it for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me. Oh.

[Joe Button]

You. Cory right there. Cory there. Cory right.

[Ish]

There. Right.

[Joe Button]

There. Cory right.

[Flip]

There. I think you should get flipped to do it for.

[Joe Button]

You. No, no, I already do. No, I already. That's kino. I'm keno. Do it and not see, not do all this immature guy. In the stomach, huh? In your stomach? I mean, it's private, but yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Stomach or butt.

[Joe Button]

Talk. Are you all.

[Ish]

Right? I'm.

[Joe Button]

Great. All right. You know, I ain't get to talk about it. I, you know, heard about it, but I didn't speak about it. You know what I'm saying? Your OIC.

[Flip]

Run. What's your.

[Joe Button]

Thoughts? I don't know. You didn't get to talk about it? No, I didn't not. Yes, you did. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Forgot. Now we talked last Tuesday about it, me and.

[Joe Button]

You. You was here that once a week. You don't even. You don't be remembering what's going up here. What I'm saying. I'm concerned if my man have a health skin like.

[Ish]

That. That's why I don't want to.

[Joe Button]

Crack a joke about.

[Ish]

It. I don't know if.

[Joe Button]

The. You know what I mean? Of course he kick back in. You know what I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying? But you said flip. You said you wouldn't ever take it. And you. By the way, you do look as I'm looking. You do look.

[Joe Button]

Good. You.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look. You're losing weight.

[Joe Button]

Naturally. Usually.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But is why is it off the. Like off the. Off the off limits for.

[Joe Button]

You. He thought that was a great jump set of jumping jacks he was doing in there. I was body and shout out to plan. Listen. What I'm saying is that this the reason why is because when you read the side effects. Look at this loud. You laughing at me?

[Ish]

Ish. I'm laughing at the joke that.

[Joe Button]

He made about your mother. He thought he was killing in there. That's why I was bodying a.

[Ish]

Look like Pooky on a jumping.

[Joe Button]

Jack. A hot mess. That was the worst jumping jack I ever saw all in my.

[Ish]

Life. Hey, Flip, I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So. You would never go work out.

[Joe Button]

In the gym over there. You would never. Cuz you just think you too cool for school. You want to work in a private gym? Oh, let me wear my shorts. Go work out. Go work out with where I work out at. Let let see you work out. Stop trying to be cool when you work out. Hold on. Stop trying to be.

[Ish]

Cool. Is that the purpose of the workout to be.

[Joe Button]

Seen? The purpose of the workout is to get motivated and motivate.

[Ish]

Others. I.

[Joe Button]

Agree. I want to be motivated by you, old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man. So why don't y' all go.

[Joe Button]

Together? Yeah, of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Course. Since he won't go with.

[Joe Button]

Me. Also, I know you was feeling a little down on yourself and your body and insecure. I'm.

[Ish]

Not. Look, go.

[Joe Button]

Ahead. Let me.

[Ish]

Cook. You're not cooking. Let.

[Joe Button]

Me. I got him. I want to get back to you. Don't stop the train. Okay? Would you stop? I know you was feeling down on your body and a little insecure. So that's why you didn't go to my mom's trainer's fancy party the other.

[Ish]

Day. Why would I do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That? But I got.

[Ish]

It. My body's your birthday party in the.

[Joe Button]

Tuck.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What? I ain't gonna lie to.

[Joe Button]

You. A fire nigga. Say it again, I'm gonna shoot you.

[Ish]

Down. Bodied, bodied, bodied.

[Joe Button]

Nigga. With Imani's.

[Ish]

Help. Imani's help sat him.

[Joe Button]

Down. I shut. Got you down.

[Ish]

How? Imani ain't getting. Imani ain't getting me dressed. Imani didn't purchase no clothing for me. I bodied that party.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga. Let's go, nigga. Light skin bright light bright as.

[Joe Button]

Back. Yeah. Show your eyes, bitch. Good time to be obtuse. Sit it.

[Ish]

Back. Fuck is you talking about, nigga? I bodied that.

[Joe Button]

Thought. I certainly didn't think Imani helped you get.

[Ish]

Dressed. I know Imani gave so what could I be saying? I have no.

[Joe Button]

Idea. Yo, help us. I hate we gotta do this Missing. How did Imani help the boy? Imani say.

[Ish]

More. Say Imani ain't help.

[Joe Button]

Me. You look.

[Ish]

Great. Oh, thank.

[Joe Button]

You. You look.

[Ish]

Great. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. You did. You look.

[Ish]

Great. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. He playing. I ain't going to lie.

[Ish]

What? I don't know what he no he like. Yo, you know you.

[Joe Button]

Was insecure about your want to get.

[Ish]

Dressed. You don't Harlem.

[Joe Button]

Nights. I was coming to tell you. I got a picture of everybody that was at that.

[Ish]

Party.

[Joe Button]

Okay. I was going to call you that day. Was nothing in there stopping the train? I got a picture of them. They couldn't do nothing with you in there. Sometimes psychologically, we put a fear in our head that don't even really.

[Ish]

Exist. The fear didn't exist. I got pictures from your party, and ain't nothing stopped that.

[Joe Button]

Train. And the cell phone is you the one that said last part? I was gonna go to the party, but I'm down on my.

[Ish]

Body. It was a joke because I was leaning toward the trainers be having.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Them in there and.

[Joe Button]

All. I took it for real, cuz I know how it is. Said that long. I took it for real, me. Oh, yo, yes, he said.

[Ish]

That. Sitting here.

[Joe Button]

Fronting. I'm lying. You wasn't here.

[Ish]

Bro. I'm lying. You said it. What? He said he was.

[Flip]

Joking. What happened to he was potting Joe and that's not fair of you.

[Joe Button]

To use that against he wasn't potting. If he didn't go, that's Bro got a.

[Ish]

Point. He don't have a.

[Joe Button]

Point. Yo, dog, if you didn't go, he has a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Point. As I'm saying, he was.

[Ish]

Joking. All.

[Joe Button]

Right? Why didn't you go. Have no that's that ish tux. If you didn't, why you ain't why you a go get the embroidery on the lapel? Yo, all jokes aside, the way Ryan Clark every morning got that little RC pin that he put in that. That is hard. You should get the little circle made a bro swag, man. I ain't helping Swag. Yeah, for 20, 26, I ain't helping swag no more. It's over. Get your own swag. Hey, wait. What we talking.

[Ish]

About? Why you go to parties? Me and flip one another. You just didn't want to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go. Yeah, he's.

[Joe Button]

Busy. Child care joints in there, though. I got pictures of guys and the.

[Ish]

Girls. I can believe it.

[Joe Button]

He. When he stepped out, he stepped out. I put it in my Little maps to see how far it was. It was a little too far for me. But if it was a little closer, boy, y. When I punched it in, that was like 52 minutes. I wasn't doing.

[Ish]

That. Yeah, it might have been that. If it.

[Joe Button]

Was. If it was closer, I'd have stopped in, watched people watch me and then left. It have been a thing like on some rockstar. But 52 minutes ain't rockstar. Now, you in the car in your outfit, you start sweating that you window down, wind smacking you. By the time you get there, you feel mad, undone. Now you gotta sweat is in.

[Ish]

There a little too.

[Joe Button]

Long. Yeah, yeah. Then you stop. Got some Mickey D's fries. Ate them out the bag on the way there, cuz you got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hungry.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It's not. It's not a vibe. It's not a vibe. It's not a vibe. It's a bird. What else? What.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Else? What.

[Joe Button]

Else? LA Reid settled. LA Reid. LA Reid settled with Drew.

[Ish]

Dixon? Yes, he.

[Joe Button]

Did. This case will not be going to trial. I'm sure no one's happier than John Legend.

[Ish]

Word, that's real. Ain't want to get on that.

[Joe Button]

Stand. Who wants to go to a trial, yo? Yeah, I mean, victims to get justice. But I'm saying not even that. Sometimes not even.

[Ish]

In. Who want to be in the.

[Joe Button]

Middle? The trial is just annoying everybody. All in your business who want.

[Ish]

To be in the middle of that shit. Especially when you're rich. No, when you're.

[Flip]

Famous. That.

[Ish]

Too. You know what I'm saying? When you famous. Don't nobody want that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shit. So why. I understand why L. A Reid would settle. Why get this far to settle? What do you think made him decide to settle on day one of.

[Ish]

Trial or right before these niggas arrogant be through the roof. They've been rich and powerful for so long. Like, even with the Cassie Puff shit, they said that, yo, they was trying to keep it on the raps. And he was like, fuck it, sue me. Like what? I dare you. A lot of these niggas have been sued before. So it's like. Or the threat of suing has happened.

[Joe Button]

Before.

[Ish]

Yeah. So it's like, I've heard this story before. We make that go away until it won't go away.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? But the way you make it go away usually is to settle.

[Joe Button]

Settle. You know what I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying? That's why I'm with.

[Joe Button]

Y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All. I think it is. Part of it is like, you almost have to look tough so. So that you don't get back down too much, you gotta be like, I don't give a fuck. Take it to.

[Flip]

Trial. Some of them also might just be waiting out to see if they have enough money to afford the legal.

[Ish]

Representation to drain them or when. Cause don't correct me if I'm wrong, The attorneys have to share witnesses, information, and all of that other shit discovery. And once you get that discovery, now you like, oh, but I think they might have had that before. I think it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just. I think they did.

[Ish]

Yeah. You're going up to the last minute, literally thinking, excuse me. You going up to the last minute like, you know what? Y' all ain't gonna go through. Go through with this, or I'm giving you this number here as a settlement offer. They'll come back before the day of because they don't want to go to trial and have to put all their personal business out there either. That sounds so. You know what? We're gonna stall them out. And now, oh, they not budging. I offered you five million. You don't want the five million. You give me six. I know they asking for 40 or something. Yeah, give them six. They'll take.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. I think what both of y' all are saying right now is probably correct. And I think there's a gross miscalculation for a couple reasons. One, Drew has resources, and there are attorneys who, particularly in this era, there are attorneys who are willing to represent for free. For free or to delay. You know what I mean? There are people who are willing to make all kinds of negotiations and also Drew's business, because the fear a lot of times of the plaintiff is like, I don't want my business out there. But Drew, with the HBO doc and other things, has been very transparent and very open about what's happened to her. So there's not that much business that she would be disclosing. All the skeletons, as it were, will be on the L. A. Reid side, not on her.

[Ish]

Side. And a lot of it be fear of, like, blackball, et cetera. But that's part of what I'm suing for anyway, you know what I'm saying? You already did that. So now you can't hurt me no other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Way.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Professionally. And that's the arrogance, you know? And again, I'm glad Drew got a settlement. I know she has been pushing for justice. You know, I have a great deal of respect and admiration for her and sympathy for her for everything she's been.

[Joe Button]

Through. But, see, that's the part I keep having a problem with. But at some point, I would like some victim to say, fuck the money. Word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bro. What would fund the money look like on this? On this kind of. On this kind.

[Ish]

Of. Remember, can't get no criminal.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Charges. It's not a criminal charge. Like, I feel you on, like, sexual.

[Joe Button]

Assault. What is she.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Alleging? Wasn't this.

[Ish]

Harassment? It was harassment and retaliation in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Retaliation. These aren't criminal.

[Ish]

Charges. Those are the charges I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Gonna. Yeah, so these are. These are civil charges. So you ain't got. I get your point on a bigger issue, which is because sometimes people could pursue criminal suit. For example, in a Jay Z case.

[Joe Button]

Right? So for her, in this instance, the money is the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Justice. Yeah, yeah, because she's saying, you did things that stopped me from working forever. You ruined my.

[Joe Button]

Career. I don't think we'll ever truly be at a point where we're asking for justice if we're at a point where money can be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Justice. See, so listen, I think it depends on what the thing.

[Ish]

Is. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She. Hold on, let me finish this, though. I think it depends on what the thing is. If someone takes your money, justice is making you hold. And in this case, she's saying, you ruined my job and then you ruined my career, so I can't make money. So I think in that case, money is part of the job. I know it's not the whole thing, but I think that's a big part of it. I think where it gets trickier is when someone says, you sexually assaulted me. And I didn't call the police, I didn't notify the police. I'm still in a civil suit because those two things sometimes for some people don't match. And I think I get where you're going with that. And even in the actual that case, I still think that victims often don't get justice in the criminal system, and so they have to do.

[Ish]

That. So look. Well, yeah, that's part of what happened because. All right, so she made the allegations in 2017. The lawsuit was filed in 2018 for sexual assault, sexual harassment, gender based discrimination, and retaliation. The problem is the statute of limitations. So now because of a lot of the statute of limitations, things occurred years earlier. Well, the, the, the acts, the alleged acts were earlier, earlier. So they're outside New York statue of limitations. So I'm limited to what I can do. So now it's literally, this is the only recourse I kind of have. Which goes. It really speaks to victims willing to come forward, like, right as it happens. And a lot of times they don't do.

[Joe Button]

That.

[Ish]

Yeah. So I'm. I'm limited. There's no the money. Because this is my only recourse. Recourse at this point. We talking about years and years and years.

[Joe Button]

Later. Yes. It's difficult to even have this talk because this is a sensitive conversation at this point. Yes, you're.

[Ish]

Correct. So you're saying.

[Joe Button]

More. So that will always be the case if we don't use our voice during the time that, like when the crime happens and this is on any crime show, on any document anywhere. The longer that you wait from when the crime happens, the harder it will be to prosecute, to convict. Like that's with anything and that. I guess that's all I'm.

[Ish]

Saying. But what I think at some.

[Joe Button]

Point, I would like to see somebody that's not going to wait. And I know to Mark's earlier points, there's always many reasons why victims don't come forward and talk. I'm not dismissing that. I would like to see just one time where it's fast action Bro Bronson, so we can hang the niggas that shouldn't be on the streets that are doing the foul shit to the women. Great. You could wait. You were scared you could say that and you could do the civil suit and you can get paid and you may be made whole or maybe that's part of justice later on, but, like, get niggas off the.

[Ish]

Streets. I think a lot of that. I think you'll start to see more of that. But I think a lot of it, you know, prior to me, too, it wasn't really a lot of people willing to even come forward. A lot of these big cases we see and are from 15, 20 some odd years ago, where the assaults took place. Back then, you couldn't say a word. A lot of them was like, no, we're not saying shit. Because again, retaliation or I'm blackballed and I'm this and I'm not. Nobody's gonna believe me now I'm telling my story and nobody else wanna fuck with me nowadays. It's just recent times that we're in the actually believing victims part. Yeah, I mean, that ain't always.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Been. I'm thinking about as an example. I think about like, somebody like Dee Barnes, right, Who was assaulted in a fairly public space, was pretty vocal about it early. And she got blackballed. She got railroaded. And honestly, on the criminal side, people didn't. No one was willing to step up. So then a lot of times it becomes Dee Barnes is Dre right? Yes. Yeah. And so. And I was trying to. Y' all out there. I wasn't trying to avoid saying Dr. Dre's name. Dr. Dre was the person who did it. And, like, the criminal side is hard to. Is hard to prove when it. Cause a lot of time it's my word against your word, you know? And a lot of times, it's not that the courts don't believe you or the jury don't believe you, but meeting that standard of, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt versus the civil standard of just a preponderance of the evidence it gets. It's.

[Joe Button]

Hard. It's tricky.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And so it's partly about victims coming forward, but a lot of it is more an indictment on how our system works at how our culture responds to victims. I do think it's.

[Joe Button]

Changing. I.

[Ish]

Do. Yeah. I think the pendulum is swinging the other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Way.

[Ish]

Yeah. So I think we. At some point, we're gonna start seeing a lot of that. So as long as these nasty niggas out here keep doing this shit. But she took him to court. She took Dre to court. I just wanted to look it up to see if she. They did charge him. They charged him, and he plead no contest, and he settled out and had to pay some spanking, but at least she tried to take him to court on a criminal side. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think, again, it's a touchy situation. I don't really want to touch on it, but I think that if it's in. In the pursuit of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Justice.

[Ish]

Yeah. And. And you could potentially save somebody else from going through what you went through and, you know how it affected you. I think it's almost your duty to attempt to get this motherfucker off the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Streets. The problem. And I. I don't. I don't know if I see it that way. I. I get the value of it, but I just don't want everybody put that on the victim. Cause look at. I mean, D. Barnes is a great example. Right. So she pursues justice on both avenues. Dr. Dre, at one point, was a billionaire. He's still worth a lot. He's still considered a legend. He's still lauded. And Dee Barnes can't get a job. Right. I talked to.

[Ish]

Dude. It's like you asked, was it worth it type.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shit. Right. And so, I mean, she's the punchline of an Eminem.

[Ish]

Lyric.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There's a way that you could look at her story as a victim and be like, I Don't wanna be like. I don't want my outcome to be like.

[Ish]

That. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Understand. Yeah. And it's like. And it's. It speaks to our culture, you.

[Ish]

Know, it's that other side that the. The rich, powerful dude is going to get away with it, right? Like, take him. Look, you file the charges, he's gonna get away with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It.

[Ish]

Yeah. And until that part changes, victims are going to be very afraid to come forward and even accuse these. These higher ups of some.

[Joe Button]

Shit. Yeah, well, I hope Drew Dixon is able to get some. Some. Some type of closure from the situation. I mean, I guess. And L. A Reid, for that matter, if you both parties in the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Settlement. Yeah, I know we're in a heavy space. Can we pivot to something funny or light.

[Joe Button]

Please? You got us in a heavy space.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bitch. You brought up LA Reid Center. I tried to go to Drew Dix, Drew Ski. You went to Drew.

[Joe Button]

Dixon. Yeah, but I did it because I knew you was about to do it, but you was about to do it in, like an NPR way. So I did it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

First. I was saying Drew Ski, not.

[Joe Button]

Drew. Hey, Drew.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ski. Drew Ski released a.

[Joe Button]

Video. Hilarious. Yo, I want somebody to find the bag of money to give Drew Ski his own sketch comedy show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bruh.

[Ish]

Word. All.

[Joe Button]

Joke. I wonder if Drew Ski knows that he's doing sketch comedy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shows. Yeah. Cause I've never seen anybody with this level of talent doing Internet stuff. Internet skits. Internet.

[Joe Button]

Dawg. The production that goes into this. The thought goes into it. The.

[Ish]

Staffing. No, the staffing. Studying too. Just like I'm with you on just. You could stop at the thought. Like, he doing that. Don't even be thinking of that. Nail salon was a one. And I don't know who thought. Who would have thought to do.

[Joe Button]

That. I don't know if y' all.

[Ish]

Saw it where he attempted to be the. The dude that worked at the Chinese nail.

[Flip]

Salon. You saw.

[Ish]

It. I said yes, you did. I didn't. I would tell you if I saw the talking about with him being a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pastor. That's the.

[Ish]

One. That.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One. That's the.

[Ish]

One. That's a new one. That's a new one. I ain't gonna hold you. Because some of that was a little bit mockery esque. I was crying.

[Joe Button]

Bro.

[Ish]

That. I was crying, bro. Some of that was a little mockery esque. You dog. You can tell he studied mad pastors for sure, Yo. They lower the inflection in their voice when they start. Start asking for money.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Now when he kicked homeboy away from the Rolls.

[Ish]

Royce. I'm talking about the studying that he did with the, the dancing and the dog. They move like that. Yeah, the cadence be like that, like. So he had to literally take that home, watch mad black pastors. I don't know how the white ones be, but watch a whole bunch of black pastors and incorporate that and you know what I.

[Joe Button]

Mean? And this is kind of my point as to why YouTube is going to have a problem at some point with Netflix doing what they was doing you. There's no reason why YouTube should not have approached you Ski and giving him a huge bag.

[Ish]

Already. Yeah, but why would we, why would we approach you when we give you pennies? And how do we know they haven't? Because again, he has shows on YouTube that is like his content reality.

[Joe Button]

Show. You know how you're going to know cuz somebody's going to come offer him a big bag to do it. Same thing that just happened, we just seen it. Somebody's gonna come to him, offer him a big bag, say pull all of your off of YouTube. I don't never say how do.

[Ish]

We know YouTube didn't do it? Because he's only putting this on YouTube when he. I mean not the skits, but I'm talking about his shows. His could have been records, his could have been reality. House is only on YouTube. So how do we know that YouTube did not approach him and give him a bag to get your shows here? Good point. It's a good.

[Joe Button]

Point. Who else is YouTube approach like that and announced and you're not going to know you're right until they announce it. Someone comes and offers him a bag and he pulls his shit off of YouTube. It's just my point about all of the earlier creators, the people that are about to start kicking up, the people that are about to in the next. You can see the signs. You can see that they about to kill if they already on your platform. I'm not going to make this a YouTube, YouTube, Netflix thing. Why wouldn't you do it? It seemed like obvious to approach Drew Ski and say and if you ain't gonna do it, HBO is gonna do it or Peacock's gonna do it, or Amazon's gonna do it or.

[Ish]

Fucking. And that's when you'll.

[Joe Button]

Count. Or Spotify's gonna do it or Netflix is gonna do it, or anybody is gonna do it at some point.

[Ish]

And that's when you'll.

[Joe Button]

Count. Oh no, too.

[Ish]

Late. I know, but what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

Look, look, if too.

[Ish]

Late. If the Lakers could Give Austin Reaves whatever amount of money that they could give him. Right? Anybody with eyes can see that Austin Reaves is a borderline super superstar. Like, people knew that. That watch basketball two years ago.

[Joe Button]

Right? We done with our worst.

[Ish]

Take. No, I'm just saying so. No, I'm just saying so. I'm just using it as an analogy. But that means that, yo, if you was the Lakers, you would have just gave him a crazy amount of money to keep him out of other people's hands. No, it don't work like that because you still taking the. The money. So if he.

[Joe Button]

Got. Sometimes in business, and I preach this a lot, sentiment is really important. And. And how you express that sometimes to a creator is a lot more important than what you can do financially. I'll keep it on sports example for a second. That whole thing where. Where you're a restricted free agent and you have an opportunity to get a contract from your team, but your team says, we're not giving you. We're not offering you. We don't think you worth that much. Let's go see what you could get out in the field. They go out there. They go out there in the field, get some crazy offer, and then they come back and the team is like, I'll match that. A lot of.

[Ish]

Times. Already got a sour taste in my mouth, cuz. Y' all ain't trying to do.

[Joe Button]

That. No. Now. No.

[Ish]

Now. I.

[Joe Button]

Agree. That's all I'm saying. Nigga's been on YouTube since 2006 and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Seven.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yes. Like, that's over 20.

[Ish]

Years. I'm not disagreeing with.

[Joe Button]

You. Anyway, this is hilarious. We didn't. We didn't get into the fact that the church people do have a problem with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This. Were they mad? They don't say. Right. He got them dead ass. He nailed.

[Ish]

It. He nailed.

[Joe Button]

It. This is the last cast that I ever want to bring up church and gospel with right away. I hate it all. Anything we ever have to say. Church people are just like us, bro. Mark did a whole attack on fucking black.

[Ish]

Gospel. No, just a freaks and a dude. No, a dude borderline cursed me out. Some religious dude told me off in my.

[Joe Button]

DMs. I don't be with that shit Mark be talking about, but he talks so fast that I don't be knowing what the fuck you talking.

[Ish]

About. He said it's me and Mark making a mockery of Christianity and take our Muslim as. I'm like, fam, I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Muslim. Martin said some other shit. Last part. We're talking about the Barack equivalent. See, I don't be catching his shit till later. It's like, yeah, nigga, mute up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sometimes. I will. I'll unmute for one moment though. And I didn't say that. The fans be tripping, stumbling in the comments. I didn't say Barack Obama was like Trump. What I said is Trump ain't the first person. And the US has a long history of doing fucked up shit. And it didn't start when Trump was black. My point, it's every president, Democrat, Republican, they all go into foreign countries, they all blow shit up. But Barack Obama fucking bombed Yemen, Somalia. I mean, we could go down the list. He's not.

[Joe Button]

Trump. Yeah, but that's the bullshit that you do. Very different from US government sending the militia to US towns to kill US People. I'm not talking about every president did bad shit. You got that? I'm not talking about.

[Flip]

Yemen. And the conversation was about Venezuela.

[Ish]

Though. We were talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Venezuela. I was talking about versus Venezuela at the.

[Joe Button]

Time. Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. That's what I'm saying. And people conflating a lot of things. I never said that. In fact, I said the opposite. I said Obama's not Trump. Right. You can say they're all fucked up, but there's different degrees of fucked up ness. Trump is the worst. All I'm saying is he's not a new genre. You know what I mean? They're all fucked.

[Joe Button]

Up. Dangerous.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mark. No, no, no, no. I'm saying in the history of America, we have given blame blankets and smallpox to Native Americans. We've let black people die of diseases, we've enslaved people, we kill people. I'm not gonna act like Donald Trump is the first person in the history of the United States empire to be fucked up or genocidal or whatever this particular thing he's doing right now. Yes, it is unprecedented, but it's not a new genre. It's US Policy on steroids. That's what it is. That's all I'm.

[Ish]

Saying. We haven't seen, you know, I'm too like Obama, Obama went to Libya and you know what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Saying? So.

[Ish]

I'm. What I'm saying is it is a new genre because we haven't seen a president in our lifetime inflict this domestically. So that is a new, A new, a new.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Genre. Until you watch people drowning in Katrina and watch them.

[Flip]

Not. That's.

[Ish]

Different. That was a lack of response to a.

[Flip]

Catastrophe. Also.

[Ish]

Horrible. He has taken an aggressive stance and put these people in a American cities and have them getting their asses whipped and getting their rights violated on a day to day basis in a camera and nobody saying a fucking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Peep. And what I'm saying is I agree with that. That's why I say it's the worst iteration of a policy that has always been like, we are indifferent to the most vulnerable people.

[Ish]

Here. It's a new genre though, domestically. That's what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Saying. It's the premium plus.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Version. Yeah, we saying the same.

[Ish]

Shit. But I'm just thinking that the genre is the. We've not seen this domestically. Like, yo, I read an article yesterday. A lady from Maryland, born in Maryland fam, got snatched from her family. She was in a detention camp for 25 days, my nigga. And they just let her out and was like, go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Back. It's true, my.

[Ish]

Nigga. You could lose your job, you could lose your.

[Joe Button]

House. They locked up the New York City councilman who has his papers. It's a big.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thing. No, no, Trump is some other. Is some other level of fucking. You know, I mean, my point is less to beat up on people who aren't Trump and it's more just to remind people that this problem doesn't get fixed when Trump leaves because it's a deeper system. That's the point I'm trying to.

[Ish]

Make. You know what else is a little different? Like, we didn't see the, the figurehead actually just standing up and standing in the shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Publicly. Not domestically. Not domestically. Not.

[Ish]

Domestically. Like, that's. Even though they were doing shit, we never saw these, like, yeah, yeah, I did that. And I'm a send them here and I'm a with you. And I'm a like he doubling and tripling down to the American people in.

[Joe Button]

America. Y' all also got to remember, when it comes to Mark, Mark is a person of the people, meaning that anything that happened around, it don't matter where you stand up. And he speaks for it. Yeah, a lot of us. Not us, me. But a lot of people don't care about what happens outside of the US and that's why a lot of people don't care. So now that it's happened, it's like, oh, wow, what's happening.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here? It might not even extinction to me is almost problematic. Oh, no, they've done it, but they did it over there. Now they're doing it to us. And it's like, that's how Americans are responding.

[Ish]

Different. A lot of times it ain't even that they. A lot of people really don't know what's going on outside of.

[Joe Button]

America. Other world or third world countries that experience that with dictator type commanders.

[Ish]

Exactly. Average American who's not international politics does not know the extent of what's happening over over there. When this is at your front door or your neighbor or the next town over, it's different. So to a lot of people, this is their first time. You can hear about all day. But when it's.

[Joe Button]

Like. But I can see how he's kind of desensitized. I don't know if I'm using the right word, but I can see how Marcus not. Not desensitized, but how Mark is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Saying that there's no difference.

[Joe Button]

Too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And that's why I'm making this happen. We never bombed Minnesota, but we bombed Grenada. Like, I can't feel that.

[Ish]

Difference. Mark is a journalist that has been knee deep in foreign fears the American media will spin the shit on these other countries to where when you see it happen in another country, you be like, oh yeah, good for.

[Joe Button]

Them. Get.

[Ish]

Them. But you know the ins and outs of some of these nations and some of these. So you know that the American. It's all some bullshit, nigga. When your next door neighbor gets shot in her face, you like, this is bullshit. You can't spin it and make it be a bin Laden thing. You, you can't spin it and make it be a Gaddafi thing. This is a lady that I might have said hello to every morning that bought my garbage cans in and put them on the side of my house that just got shot in her face for no fucking reason. And the President of the United States gets on the TV and said, she's a domestic terrorist, bro. That shit hit home differently than some people that are 5,000 miles away getting something done to them. You get what I'm saying? So that's where I said the genre is a little bit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

New. I feel I don't wanna be the dead horse. I was in Ferguson 2014 when Obama was president though, and I did watch National Guards and martial law. I was tear gassed, we were bombed, people were shot. And I'm again, different levels, different intensity, but same problem. But to the other point about.

[Joe Button]

The why you on some lists? Oh.

[Flip]

Yeah. Oh.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That's a good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Reason. And why I'm not on others. Like, I.

[Joe Button]

Can'T. Ain't no pussy putting around why. Martin.

[Ish]

He. But he been through.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. But I want to say something about.

[Ish]

This. Christian Obama denounced it though. You get what I'm saying? The President of the United States today, he did publicly. He denounced it. This president is saying, get them and I'mma send them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There. And I'm sending more up his.

[Joe Button]

Words. I just want to remind y' all that we on a Drewski church topic. Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sorry. Because that was.

[Joe Button]

Just. When I let y' all do that, they start lighten me up. They say, oh, the Ozempic got em. Not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Producing his attention span is. No, but like the, to the, to the church people. I'm not. First of all, I don't wanna speak for Ish, but for me, I'm not beating up on church people in particular. My position is, in general, religion does fucked up things to people. I don't care what religion you are, if it's used improperly or if people are manipulated through it, it's a problem. It happens with Christians, it happens with Muslims, it happens with Jews, it happens with all the cults. I'm not blamed. No, I'm saying when things are used bad. I'm not going, I'm not. I'm not going to pick on one religion and say that this. It's not like Christianity has the market cornered on hucksters or, or, or frauds. Every religion.

[Joe Button]

Has. What's a huckster?

[Ish]

See? What's a.

[Joe Button]

Huckster? See, I don't. I like when he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Talks. Yeah, like somebody who comes to try to like, trick you out of your grifter. Is that a better word? A grifter? Yeah. Every religion got them. It's not a big deal. But what Drewski did on this is that he nailed something very specific that I thought was super smart. Because he's not talking about every preacher. He's talking about these megachurch. And he's talking about financial gain. Yeah. Gospels of prosperity, they call them. Exactly. Financial gains, health and wealth. God, you know this idea that, like, your faith is measured by how much money you got. And he nailed it. When that dude is wearing Christian, he's like, you wonder why I'm wearing.

[Joe Button]

Christian? Standing in the blood of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesus. Like, he killed that. The tithing. Like you gotta, you gotta tithe to get money. The dancing, the perform. I mean.

[Ish]

He. I want 4 million today. Actually, we're gonna lock these doors and we're not gonna let them in until we get.

[Joe Button]

Through.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly. Like Winans, right. Pastor Winans for locking the doors to fundraise. Like that's a problem. And I don't care what religion is.

[Ish]

Doing. That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

True. You know, I mean, there's lots of great preachers, lots of great Christians, lots of amazing people. Somebody Some of my biggest heroes are Christians. It's not about religion for me. It's about people who prey on people who ain't got nothing. And the best comedians to me are the ones who can take something serious, clown it, but also have a social commentary. That's some Richard.

[Joe Button]

Price. I hate when that nigga get a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Job. Why you don't like when niggas.

[Joe Button]

Get their opinions on religion or what's going on? We know what you believe. Like people are hardcore believers no matter what proof come out of bullshit going on. I remember I watched something from back in the days. They had a recording. They heard the man tell the prison preacher tell the people how to act on the stage. It was on the news and people still think that this guy worked.

[Ish]

Miracles. It's just like some.

[Joe Button]

People. How much do you believe pastors should be paid? Are you talking about the payment of the pastors? Let's hear it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now. That's a great.

[Joe Button]

Question. I take offense to some of what you say because my pastor had it. My pastor, Rev.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ron. Where do the money come from? Come.

[Joe Button]

From? Hold up, let me get my. Oh, my bad Ron. I used to walk by the driveway and be like, ah, damn G Wagon Rose. Yo, if you ask me where I think the money came.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From. Where. Oh yeah, where should.

[Joe Button]

It. I think that Rev Ron was so, so amazing at what he did. People rushed to pay that man, but he never said lock the doors. He never said this is what the church is in need of. Actually, they go through the treasurer's report Every, every. The church was fine. He was so.

[Ish]

Great. A lot of.

[Joe Button]

Money. He was so great. And the people in his, in his. They wasn't hard up. Niggas had it. They was throwing Red Ron.

[Ish]

Money. Well, that's part. I was one of them true believers are. You're supposed to tithe your 10%. So, so there are churches that you sign.

[Joe Button]

Up. Listen, see, I'm not talk. I'm see we talking about times and we, that's this. We start getting off. What I'm saying is some people felt so vindicated and full that they, they just gave him money. Just gave him random. They just gave it. I'm not talking about. I got what you're saying. Requirements and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Percentages. And I'm with you, but that, but you did ask Mar. Not as such. Right. My issue isn't that this pastor has. There are people who believe about, you know, what your vocation is and whether you should be paid at all, whether you should make money, whether it should be an Oath of poverty. Different faiths have different beliefs about that. Not my business. My issue is the gospel of prosperity. It's when you come out here and tell people that your faith is measured by how much money you got. My issue is when you tell people that they have to sow seeds. You know what I.

[Joe Button]

Mean? Okay, so I'm shutting.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up. I'm not talking about that at all. That's what I'm saying. I ain't got a. I mean, look, the better you do at your job, the more you gonna make. You know what I mean? That's up here. That's everywhere. But, like, the issue is what happened. What? Ostensibly. But in some of these churches, they make people. I've watched poor people give their last dollar to somebody who has a jet, literally. And that's my issue. And they're told that if they don't, that they are not sowing the seed to eventually one day get a jet. It sounds like every other get rich quick scheme I've ever seen. That's not every.

[Joe Button]

Church. And they don't pay.

[Ish]

Taxes. Church don't, man. But I think in the Bible. But the Bible, I think. I don't feel like arguing with y' all that the 10% comes from that. Like you giving your offering. You giving your tithing to God is based on what you have. So I think it's supposed to be 10% of what you have, and 10% of your income is supposed to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go. Can I ask you a.

[Joe Button]

Question? Hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On. No, no. Listen to me. Listen. If you're about to get evicted and you got $100 left and you're trying to feed your kids and do everything else, to quote a great philosopher, do you think it's wise? Let's take 10% of that. Let me ask you a. And give it. Let me respond to that one to Creflo or.

[Joe Button]

Whoever. It's how the pastor makes them feel, though. I think that the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Feeling. Does it make you feel.

[Joe Button]

Heat? But does it? I don't think that matters for some people. I think that. I think the intern. Stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Laughing. Hold.

[Joe Button]

On. The internal fulfillment is what's important. They look forward to something. They. They look forward to life in these hard times. Why y' all niggas laugh? You Muslim.

[Ish]

Brothers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, look what you.

[Joe Button]

Did. Look, you laughing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Too. I'm saying the same thing about everybody. But look how you.

[Joe Button]

Defended. Get respected. You gotta respect everybody in their religion and their.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Belief. If Drew Skin done this about Muslims or Jews who do the exact same thing, I'd be just as funny. To me, what I'm saying is, I don't care about the.

[Ish]

Religion. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can'T. About.

[Joe Button]

Hustle. You got to ask people. Any one of y' all closes out, I don't care who does.

[Ish]

It. I just want to say real quick, Mark, it's. It's about faith. To what? I said it's about your faith. So.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Ish]

They. You're supposed to believe that God is going to, no matter what, from.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Down to my last dollar, give him 10 cents of.

[Ish]

It. You're supposed to put your faith in God, and no matter what, you're going to be all right. So, yes, if it's your last dollar, I'm giving you the 10%, and I'm going to be all right. It ain't about. I'm going to make it to heaven. I'm going to get a jet. I'm going to be all right, because God is going to make a way regardless. And then they tell you, look at what you've been through in your life. You've always made it out of that. That was God that got you out of it. That's what. And God will continue to get it out of it. But you have to do your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Part. The story, and my part is giving them the money. I get it. I'll take the dinner with Jay.

[Joe Button]

Z. Can I ask a question.

[Flip]

About. Here we.

[Joe Button]

Go. We got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. I'm moving on. Can I ask a question? Because this is on the board and I don't quite understand says gone girl, and then it says, Chicago teacher Linda.

[Joe Button]

Brady. Go ahead, Flip. No, I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was. No, it was in your notes, by the way. Flip came today with.

[Joe Button]

Notes. Yeah, he had.

[Ish]

Notes. He had a.

[Joe Button]

Topic. Why you make. Why you making a face? Y. You making a face. You don't do that with other.

[Flip]

Niggas. You.

[Joe Button]

Just. You not discourage.

[Ish]

Me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. When you go online and you be close, I don't want to get.

[Joe Button]

You. You making face at my topic, sir. I'm not. Okay, cool. I'm on the edge of my seat to hear. No, what happened. What I'm saying is that the reason why I put that on the board because I. I felt guilty for judging the husband. So what happened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is. Tell us the.

[Joe Button]

Story. So Linda Brown is a teacher.

[Ish]

Who was going through.

[Joe Button]

Something. Linda Brown's a teacher who suffered from mental health issues. But what happened is her husband came and said that he saw her last night. Right. And by the morning, she was gone. She was gone. He went, did a news conference. I'm looking for my wife. If anybody's Seen her last night. She was home. And when I woke up, she was gone. Nobody seen. So when he did the press conference, in my head, what I'm saying is that. Oh, he killed his.

[Ish]

Wife. He killed a lot of people. That was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

His. Please come.

[Ish]

Home. Yeah, please come.

[Joe Button]

Home. He looked like a. From the hood. Chicago. He looked like a. From the hood. It's a white lady, a white teacher. I'm like, she did some. He just knocked off. Where did he bury her? Is. They go. They gonna catch him. But it came out that she drove her car and she got out her car and walked and walked into the river. She. Late at night. God damn. She's the. Are you doing. She's. That's.

[Ish]

Crazy. And now the videos. Like, there's people out apologizing to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Him, which they should because it was.

[Joe Button]

A. Because when this first broke my.

[Ish]

Dick. Now suck.

[Joe Button]

My. Suck my.

[Ish]

Dick. My entire.

[Joe Button]

Dick. Yeah, I don't want to hear.

[Ish]

None of that out my fucking.

[Joe Button]

Face. Grieving husband up here plea. Pleading for my wife to pop up. And now I learned this information. I gotta go. Yeah, y', all. Y'.

[Ish]

All. Especially to the people that know me. Strangers can say whatever they want. If you knew me and you had that sentiment.

[Joe Button]

We.

[Ish]

We. We.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Done. For a lot of people, it was the please come home video. They were saying that's not what victims do. Like, I think it's.

[Flip]

Crazy. Yeah, it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Crazy. But like, a lot of people, like, you know, if he had just said, like, I don't know what's on going on, they would be more believable. But some people thought the video was, like, fake or melodramatic and that he was.

[Joe Button]

Doing. Because a lot of times when.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

People do kill their partner, they do make them.

[Joe Button]

Videos.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And he also had details about, you know, where she was. Like, they were like, she left the house with this on, et cetera, et cetera. People like, how do you know what she was wearing? And all this stuff they were micro.

[Joe Button]

Analyzing. It was a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thing. It was.

[Joe Button]

Unfair. Yeah. I was one. Internet.

[Ish]

Detectives. That's what it was. That's what it was. They solved this case before. Oh, he did it. And they're gonna like, Flip said they're gonna find a body. They got. Got.

[Joe Button]

Him.

[Ish]

And. And then once it. Once the footage came out of her, you see a lot. There were like a compilation of.

[Joe Button]

A lot of women got on apologizing to him, falsely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Acc. Accountability. I love.

[Joe Button]

That. So I wanted to say that too, cuz, you know, I thought the was guilty. I'M like his name from Chicago, but feel badass. Said that. Is that all it takes to think somebody is a killer? Like where they from? I mean, not even that. I mean, I would hate to be a Chicagoan. And how many stories, how many stories did you hear a man come out and say, I'm looking for my wife and it turns out that they end up killing their.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wife. They help you do the research.

[Joe Button]

They help you, they help the team and.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything. No, you're right, Flip, but that's the media. Because most people whose wives are missing like, or kids are missing people don't kill them. Right. But in the media, they like the sexy story. They love the missing person. They love the true crime kind of angle. And so a lot of times when somebody is a person of interest, they spend more time focusing on that story than the other other people who partner just got killed or ran away or disappeared or left.

[Joe Button]

Them. I do respect the people that's coming out and apologizing to this man. I do respect.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. I respect it.

[Joe Button]

Too. And shit like that. Antonio.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Brown. I didn't know the story until you told. I read it on it after you told me about it this morning. And looking at what I saw, I might have had a. There might have been a small part of me that might have had that same thought. Like, you know, yeah, did.

[Flip]

It. Only.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Small. Only small. Until I saw the video. The video got me. Cause I was like, you know, the video looked uncharacteristic, you know what I mean? Of how I see black.

[Joe Button]

Men.

[Ish]

Yeah. I was about to say, you can't even say.

[Joe Button]

That. Cause you don't know the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dude. No, not of him. Of just of how victims look on tv. I don't know him. As I said I.

[Joe Button]

Might. It's always normally the husband or the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Boyfriend. That's what I was about to say. I've been trained by the media to believe that and a lot of time it is true. You know that when there is a person of interest, personal, it is.

[Joe Button]

The husband or the boyfriend.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. The person closest to you, you know what I'm saying? So I probably would have been suspicious. I don't know how I said that nigga did it for real. But I would have definitely been very suspicious and fond.

[Ish]

Of. Yeah, check.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

These. It's red flags. You know what I mean? Please come home right away. I.

[Joe Button]

Guess. And I never saw. I didn't see Going Girl.

[Ish]

So. Yeah, they said that it reminded.

[Joe Button]

Everybody. You.

[Ish]

Should. Great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Movie. It's.

[Joe Button]

Funny. No, no.

[Flip]

No. Well, if you have a Very dark.

[Ish]

Sister. That's one of your favorites. It's one of the greatest love stories ever.

[Joe Button]

Made. I love that movie ever made. And I also think that that movie is hilarious. That movie is absolutely.

[Ish]

Hilarious. Wait, what's.

[Joe Button]

Funny? That's one of the best. What's it.

[Ish]

Dark. I mean, again, I love. I love.

[Joe Button]

Y. So the lady wasn't there. Breadcrumbs and tricks and games for her husband to commit and attempt to find her. What do you mean? What was funny? So she was.

[Flip]

Alive. In hindsight, it's pretty.

[Joe Button]

Funny. I've watched that movie over 20 times. It gets funnier every time you watch.

[Ish]

It. It's a great movie. Really great.

[Joe Button]

Movie. What year came.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Out?

[Joe Button]

Classic? 2014, 2013. Somewhere around here. Good old Ben. When Ben put his foot in something. I'm still waiting for this Netflix movie. We almost here now, actually, this week. When Ben put it. Decided to put his foot in something. It's normally. It's normally one of.

[Ish]

Those. I know we. I know we finished worst take, but it has just been reported that Mike Tomlins informed the Steelers that he will be stepping down after 19 years and leaving the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Organization. He informed.

[Ish]

Them.

[Joe Button]

Right? That's. Don't do that. Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. Everybody knows what.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Happened. Tell.

[Joe Button]

Me. We know.

[Ish]

They. It was.

[Joe Button]

Time. It was. It was mutually agreed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Upon.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's all I'm saying, too.

[Joe Button]

Okay. It was mutually agreed upon to go our separate.

[Ish]

Ways. And we. So.

[Joe Button]

Classy. We're going in a different direction. You've been here so long. We're going to give you the grace of announcing this class from a classy.

[Ish]

Organization. We still get to keep.

[Joe Button]

Our.

[Ish]

Rec. Like, you know, Steelers don't fire coaches. All of that. We didn't fire you. You know, you step down, you're moving.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On. I respect them giving him the dignity to.

[Ish]

Resign. He earned that. He deserves.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. One of my biggest frustrations, although we didn't win a Super bowl, was that the Eagles fired Andy Reid basically because they didn't get to that point. And it was like he should have had the opportunity, given what he'd done to the organization, for the organization to just step down, resign. We see, obviously he's a Hall of Fame coach, legend. Sometimes coaches don't get that. So I thought this was great. Firing Mike Tomlin would have been crazy. Crazy and ugly and.

[Joe Button]

Disgusting. I want to take this moment to clown NFL analysts and Adam Schefter. I do. I want to clown them a little Bit. Okay, let me hear it. With all of the coaching vacant agencies, with every coach that gets fired from somewhere because I watch ESPN a lot. All of the experts get on TV and say when this person becomes available, they have to jump to the top of the coaching tree. This one jumps ahead. It was Stefanski, then it was Harbo, then It was Mike McDaniel. They were waiting on. They were waiting on LaFleur. Floor comes. He has to shoot up to the top of the coaching. I'm like, yo, dog, how many coaches can they say this.

[Flip]

About?

[Joe Button]

Word. They said this about Tom and they was waiting on. If Tomlin, I have to assume he'll have no shortage of job offers. He will bolt to the top of the coaches. Yo, establish who is the best and who is the not.

[Ish]

Best. Yeah, but they're not available.

[Joe Button]

Yet. This is like rappers in your top 10, where you put 20 rappers in your top.

[Ish]

10.

[Flip]

Different. Because organizations make coaches look good. So someone that was great at the Steelers, who's a great organization or at the Ravens, who's a great organization or the 49ers, who is a great organization or the packers is a great organization when they go to the Browns or the Dolphins or one of these teams that are a mess.

[Joe Button]

Habitually.

[Flip]

True. Ain't about to be a.

[Ish]

Mess. Not just that. Like you said, yo, if these are the coaches, that's. He's at the top of the list. That's of this pool right here. Now. He come jump in this position pool. Yeah, the pool changes. Ain't nothing wrong with.

[Joe Button]

That. For every new coach that becomes available, they can't keep saying this coach jumps to the top of the. I mean, that's my only point. There's a pecking order here. It is like it. It most. It seems to be acknowledged when it comes to Harbo, for the most part, like everybody is like, it's him and the rest of.

[Ish]

Y'. All. I agree. Didn't Steanski get hired.

[Flip]

Already? No, no, no. He's interviewing. What's funny about the Har Washer is fun. Mike McCarthy has almost the identical record and accolades as Steve Harbaugh. And they barely even talked about in this hierarchy in pecking.

[Joe Button]

Order. You know what's funny? I saw the stat sheet with both of their stats together still. Because you're right, it's almost exactly the.

[Flip]

Same.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Still, Harborough does come off different to me than Mike.

[Flip]

McCarthy. He.

[Ish]

Does. He.

[Flip]

Do. But that probably because the last time we saw Mike McCarthy, he was at the Dallas Cowboys, who was Another mess of a fucking.

[Joe Button]

Organization. Well, I was off of him before he got that job.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Too.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Like, I don't think he did the greatest job upon exiting Green.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bay. Got a bull.

[Ish]

One. See, I like Pete.

[Flip]

Carroll. I like piccolo.

[Ish]

Too. Like, that's. That's my. That would be my go.

[Joe Button]

To. Pete Carroll is in a diaper. 89 years old. Yo. Running up and down the sidelines with my diaper. With my diaper on is annoying. Running up and down with my diaper on, chasing by Brock Bowers and watching Geno Smith with my diaper on is annoying. And my blood pressure is up and I'm 89 years old. I'm done with y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All. I know y' all don't want to get in too deep into sports, but where does Tomlin now go? If the list is what y' all just said, you add time to the mix. Is he at the very top now or is he number.

[Ish]

Two? I would have him at the.

[Flip]

Top. He would be at the top. But I did. It did seem like from the report that I read that he may be taking a year.

[Ish]

Off. They said he might go.

[Flip]

On. That's been the rumor for a little while. Who.

[Joe Button]

Knows? And congratulations to Matt Ryan. Ryan, who is leaving broadcasting to be the Stockwood Atlanta gm. No, no.

[Flip]

No. Head of football.

[Ish]

Operations.

[Flip]

Operations. And it was a nice send away they did for him on.

[Joe Button]

Cbs. Yeah, it's true. I. With Matt.

[Flip]

Ryan. Except for when they ended, they're like. And now off to.

[Joe Button]

The. It was like, okay, Matt Ryan get a bad rap because of that game. But he was a good.

[Ish]

Quarterback. Oh, man. Ryan put 300 on you in a.

[Joe Button]

Heartbeat. Matt Ryan was a fantasy. I was just gonna.

[Ish]

Fantasy a.

[Flip]

Heartbeat. I was just talking to my man about him and Philip Rivers be Hall of Fame. They're both like 6 and 7, all time in yardage and.

[Ish]

Touchdowns. Somewhere in there, they gonna get you your yards and.

[Joe Button]

Tds. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but Jocelyn Hernandez is celebrating three years free of the Becky free of coke. Oh.

[Ish]

No. Congratulations. Congratulations.

[Flip]

Congratulations.

[Joe Button]

Cocaine. Yes. No longer doing cocaine. Let me see what she had to say. Here it is. Let me turn that down. Three years off that nose candy. Three years of clear mind. Three years of solitude. My mind is clear and the body is strong. I thank God every day I didn't lose my life to the white girl. Young girls. It's not a game and it is not worth.

[Flip]

It. That's.

[Joe Button]

True. Thank you guys also for those silent prayers for your favorite Me love y'. All. Let me get a round of applause for applause. Let me hit the round of.

[Flip]

Applause. She is our.

[Joe Button]

Favorite. You guys have any thoughts?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Congratulations. She's glad to hear that. She's.

[Joe Button]

Awesome. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a half. I'm gonna give you a half. Congrats. I'm give you a half. Congratulations. You're a couple Khan. I'mma give Jocelyn. I'mma give Jocelyn a half. Congratulations. Me myself trying to say the.

[Ish]

Old Jocelyn, the content ain't going to be the.

[Joe Button]

Same. Cokehead Jocelyn to me is a all time great hall of fame worthy first ballot. Cokehead Joselyn is. Is like hoodie mellow. Cokehead Jocelyn. We've any of our great moments if you remember if you're a real fan of this. Yeah. Jocelyn backstage at the awards off a couple bumps fighting the. The dudes, the.

[Ish]

Police. When Jocelyn fought the.

[Joe Button]

Police. Yeah, yeah. It took them cops 45 minutes to arrest Coked up Jocelyn. That ain't no normal.

[Ish]

Girl. Was that.

[Joe Button]

Three? That is not a regular girl y' all trying to arrest, man. Some of my best moments. This is congratulations for putting your health first. Indeed. But the content streets will never be the same without Cokehead Jocelyn. And I mean, granted, she gave us the Amber Rose argument from College Hill. Maybe she was sober. Maybe she was sober then. And points were made too in that little argument. I'm just sad to see her.

[Flip]

Go. I'm sure someone else will step in her.

[Joe Button]

Place. Place. They ain't going to do it like her though. No, probably not. Jocelyn be the up for a long time off that booger, sugar boy. I'm going to miss you. I'm. I'm going to miss you. I'm all for a redemption.

[Ish]

Story. Let me ask you, Joe, dude, you've done reality TV.

[Flip]

Before. I thought he was going to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say go to a whole different.

[Ish]

Place. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm.

[Joe Button]

Not.

[Ish]

No. That's. Do they film like multiple seasons at once and then just release them over.

[Joe Button]

Years?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Button]

Okay. No, not multiple.

[Ish]

Seasons.

[Joe Button]

Same.

[Ish]

No. I was just.

[Joe Button]

Curious. Also, any reality TV questions y' all have? Y. Y' all can also send to Mark's.

[Flip]

Way. That's true. He is.

[Joe Button]

Also. Yeah, it's not. It's not just Joe and Flip N. Don't send to me.

[Ish]

Okay. Thank.

[Joe Button]

You. He was coked out.

[Ish]

Recently. No, I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don'T. I haven't seen her in.

[Joe Button]

Years. Just asking. Shout out to.

[Ish]

Jocelyn. I still subscribe to.

[Joe Button]

Zeus. I'm still watching what I say about Jocelyn, cuz sober Jocelyn Hands is still ones to be reckoned with.

[Ish]

Facts. That's a fun.

[Joe Button]

Show. Yeah. Yeah. Also while this is on, Boyz II men, new edition, February 13th. Of course, my mom called and wants 97 tickets just for her two rolls just for her. Way to go. Love.

[Ish]

You. I said make it.

[Joe Button]

Happen.

[Flip]

Yeah. So, Sean, post if you're. Even if you're. My friends and family, don't ask me for no tickets. They're.

[Joe Button]

Gone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. I know we shouted out Sean before, but, yo, I'm. That podcast, great show. Got me in the chokehold, man. Sean Stockman's. Yeah, every episode is great. The live performance at the end, all of it. I'm still listening to Moana from the Jets. The acoustic version of All Over. All, All Over. Him killing it. Just great.

[Joe Button]

Music. Might as well just straighten it out now. Might as well just get everything. Get everything straightened out so there's no problems when we try to get it done, man. Come on.

[Ish]

Sean. Come.

[Flip]

On. He knows this.

[Ish]

Call. What's.

[Flip]

Today? Did you see my Instagram yesterday? I already posted.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It. No, see, your call has.

[Joe Button]

Been. Yeah, I don't like that voice. Voicemail, Paul. Ish to hear his voicemail again. And that. Did you change that like I asked you to change your voicemail, man? Oh, my God. For real? Welcome, G. Yeah, Sean is probably tired from Tank's party. Tanks 50. Make some noise. Tanks 50. Happy.

[Ish]

Birthday. Happy birthday.

[Joe Button]

Tank. Turn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

50. How was the.

[Ish]

Party? I should look.

[Joe Button]

Lit. I didn't go. I didn't.

[Ish]

Go. I looked.

[Joe Button]

Chocolate. It looked like a really good time. Chris Brown, Marion, all the R guys. All R B guys. Keith Powers was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There.

[Joe Button]

Salute. A lot of people was there. It was a pod day for me. I did get the invite, but that was a pod day. Come on, you.

[Ish]

Know. You know. You know what that.

[Joe Button]

Was? Yeah. You just pissed me off. Just that fast. You pissed me off. I get pissed. You know, when I'm on the Internet, we don't never talk about.

[Ish]

It. I know. He was.

[Joe Button]

Tight. We don't ever talk about stuff. Stuff that you just see on the Internet that pisses you off. Cause we cool. And podcasters and ego and magismo and yada.

[Flip]

Yada. It'd be a long list.

[Joe Button]

Too. Boy. I was pissed off watching D Nice DJ that Tank party. I could have killed D. Nice myself. I should have went to that party just so I could have strangled. Just so I could have strangled D. Nice. Because, listen. And it's not about me asking d nice to dj my birthday party for the last 19.

[Ish]

Years. A year and a.

[Joe Button]

Half. It's not even about that. Sometimes a year in advance. This year, I gave up, and I was like, you know what, D? Nice invite. You know what would be nice? Just give me a playlist. Oh, you know. You know what, man, You're a busy guy. Just send over a playlist. He was like, yeah, man, that would be smooth. Ask me if I got that.

[Flip]

Playlist. Did you get that.

[Joe Button]

Playlist? Not in the slightest. Not in the slightest.

[Flip]

Damn. Couldn't even just pull one from.

[Joe Button]

The. Yeah, come.

[Flip]

On. Stash of playlists you got there.

[Joe Button]

Which is because I know a song from a playlist from D. Nice. It got to be like tasting somebody else food and then ordering it for yourself. Like Donna Summers from him and Donna Summers in my serato. It ain't gonna hit.

[Ish]

Exactly. You know, he got records you ain't got. He know how to blend a little bit better. So it's.

[Joe Button]

Going. His playlist gonna hit.

[Ish]

Man. Yours be all.

[Joe Button]

Right. Be nice. If you're listening or if anybody that knows the nice, please send him a text. Ask him to send Joe button his playlist, please.

[Flip]

Anyway. Poehler instead. Man, you know what time it.

[Joe Button]

Is? Oh, damn. Cokehead. Jocelyn gone but not forgotten. One of the greatest up there with Floyd in my.

[Ish]

Book.

[Joe Button]

Tbe. Yeah. Come on, man. All right, Ice, you had a question earlier about Pooh.

[Ish]

Ii. Yeah, no, it was. It was more so an observation. I know he ain't. He ain't.

[Joe Button]

But. But I'm good at this.

[Ish]

Man. I'm saying I don't care. It was just an observation of mine. I was like. I asked Joe and I asked the fellas. I said, who shies? He's been home for a couple months now. I found it ironic that I haven't seen him and Gucci together at.

[Flip]

All. I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Already. You said it different off camera.

[Ish]

But yeah, I said, did y' all see? Do y' all find it ironic? That's what I said on camera. Hey, yo, Y' all find it ironic? Y' all ain't seen Poosh, Icy, and Gucci together at.

[Flip]

All? I hope you're playing Atlantis Morissette in this.

[Ish]

Time. Yeah, I say the way I said it, but yeah, I saw the welcome home post from Gucci. I remember Gucci saying that I'm clearing all of the artists off of off the label except for Pooh, Shiesty, and Fugiato, because y' all the only ones that made me any money. Nobody else did. So I'm dropping Everybody from the label. I see Pooh Sh Come home. I see the first day out record and I don't see anything with them too. So I just. Just something I was keeping my eye on, that's all. Not saying there's anything.

[Joe Button]

There. I probably would have noticed that too. But if you naming a few that I've never been looking for and probably.

[Ish]

Won'T, that's what I'm here.

[Joe Button]

For. It's Pooh.

[Ish]

Shiesty. That's. That's why I'm here.

[Joe Button]

Though. And Gucci Mane and. And if it's three, then you could throw blue face in.

[Ish]

There. Y' all find it.

[Joe Button]

Ironic? Like what? That's.

[Ish]

Cool. I got you. I got.

[Joe Button]

Y'. All. Yeah, I lean on. I lean on Freeze for. For that. When I get my hip hop from over there for sure. Even though I ain't go look just how fast I lie. Pooh Shisty and Glow. Oh, they got. They. They got a.

[Ish]

Record. They got one for.

[Joe Button]

Sure. Maybe that's why we ain't seen a picture. Cuz he's actually recording with the people he's supposed to be working with. Even though he probably should have a Gucci record or picture or.

[Ish]

Studio. Just.

[Joe Button]

Something.

[Ish]

Why optics for. For today? My. The optics is get in the studio, do the work. Lelo, it's not L. He's out. And I'm talking about do the.

[Joe Button]

Work. I'm saying. Saying that Gucci is instant impact. He is instant impact. So if you're just coming home off a little drought for five years and you looking to put a project together or a three pack or EP or anything together, if I'm signed to somebody that is still recording and is instant impact, it would be nice. It would be nice. That was our beef when we signed the Shady. You can't get Eminem verse. Well, then they got.

[Ish]

One. They got.

[Joe Button]

One. They got a few. They got a few. You. Every song Eminem was on, I was magically off of somehow only needed 4 MCs the number. Thank you for.

[Flip]

Creating. I'm sure they just drew.

[Ish]

Straws. Yeah, four is the sweet.

[Joe Button]

Spot. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's how it.

[Flip]

Happened. But seven minutes long. There's not enough.

[Joe Button]

Space. I always love the D.

[Ish]

Pause. I heard that about.

[Joe Button]

You. D is in Detroit, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Guys. All.

[Joe Button]

Right. I'll just shout out a coney instead, but that's a glizzy. So I guess pause that too. Yeah, you good, man. Well, you know, you miss you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man. We passed that.

[Joe Button]

Anyway. Damn. Go get Jocelyn. Is there Anything else that's on you guys. Heart, mind, body, spirits or souls that y' all need to share with an audience before we leave. Y' all got any plans for the week? Anything going on? Anything you excited.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

About? I'm excited to be in Knoxville.

[Flip]

Tennessee.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. On the.

[Joe Button]

15Th.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tomorrow. It's a Thursday. You.

[Joe Button]

Good? Gotta check dates with this.

[Ish]

Guy. He hit you Friday morning? Flight was a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Delayed. No, no, I come back same day. Same day. Flight in and out, but that's not up to you. What you.

[Joe Button]

Mean? Yeah, I mean, you could plan to get back, but if something is going on with the flight, then that means it's probably shady for the workday. You're going to University of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tennessee. Then I dropped drive in. I'll.

[Flip]

Drive. I'll rent a car. It's not that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Far. Whatever it.

[Joe Button]

Takes. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever. I'll probably still be the first one.

[Joe Button]

Here. Oh, God damn. I ain't going to hold you. That's the scary part about it. Now. One time I came back from somewhere. Beat these here from an airport, I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Think.

[Joe Button]

I. From South Carolina. I was tight and all right. Anybody else? Newer.

[Ish]

Couch. I got.

[Joe Button]

Nothing. This weekend. Chilling.

[Flip]

Chilling. Parks.

[Joe Button]

Studio. Flip. Same there. You have it, Joe. Not in the.

[Flip]

Slightest. It's, you know, it's chill out time. That's all.

[Joe Button]

Right. You gotta relax, man. Just, you know, get to work. No comment. It just happened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Again.

[Ish]

What? The.

[Joe Button]

Silence. That moment could go one way. Yo, yo. The audience be wondering why I continue to ask stuff like, hey, what's going on in your week? Or how was your weekend? Or all the dumb questions. Do we be like, nothing washed work studio. But I do it, audience. Just that little silence. And I participate in the silence, too. I can turn this topic up with what I'm excited about. Look at y'. All. Do tell. Look at y'. All. Look at y'. All. It's really little fingers. All right, I'm done. I'm done. You can't tell people what you're excited about. They'll try to step on your.

[Flip]

Glory. That's a.

[Ish]

Fact. That's a.

[Joe Button]

Fact. One that do that in the end, it's not us. Oh, I do got a funny story I'm dying to tell this buddy.

[Ish]

Too. What's.

[Joe Button]

Up? Go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ahead. Patreon.

[Joe Button]

Is. We don't care. I can't Patreon. We'll do it on Patreon, man. Yo, subscribe. Subscribe to the Patreon man. Forward slash, whatever. Y' all know what it is. Y' all know what it is. Whatever Slash some. It's up there, man. You know the vibes. You know where the finest at. Stop playing with niggas. It saddens me that I won't be back with this bunch again until next week, Tuesday. Like, that's the part that saddens me. It does. I like the energy when it's awesome. Shut the up, man. Yo, stop doing now. Yo, I'm serious. Yo, stop doing that when I'm here. Don't do that.

[Ish]

See? Can't take the.

[Joe Button]

Compliment. Yeah, I can't see same. Y said, cuz this be.

[Ish]

Slick. Why you ain't just say thank you. Let the energy be this. But you had to say something.

[Joe Button]

Else. I don't appreciate it. See, but it's different with you.

[Flip]

Free. Listen, you know your glow ad libs were sick in the.

[Joe Button]

Intro.

[Ish]

Oh, this album, Quadruple quintuple diamond with seven.

[Joe Button]

Diamonds. This is.

[Flip]

97. Maybe a little.

[Joe Button]

Earlier because I was in rehab when I was in high.

[Ish]

School. This came out. It was you at when this came.

[Joe Button]

Out. That album is crazy. Yeah, in new. That whole album was crazy. Well, yeah, I was in re. In the hood was playing that. I'm like, yeah. No, it's true. Good pod today, gentlemen. Indeed. Good part. Good pod today. Not mad at it. Not one bit. What do I have planned for the week, man? Nothing too exciting, man. We.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got. We got to love.

[Joe Button]

Him. Y.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze. No, I'm.

[Joe Button]

Talking. We talking about you. And now that I see that. Wait, y' all talking about me? What. What you.

[Ish]

Saying? Oh, that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My. Right.

[Joe Button]

There. Yeah. I told Freeze. You got to love you our man. We got to love you, man. You don't have to do that. I hate when people in my life do that. I got a lot of triggers on the low. Well, explain. I don't like yo gotta love him. No, you don't. Don't act like it's a task to love me. You can keep your love. I'll be just fine. What are you talking to anybody that feel like not talking to me? I mean, if you talk about we gotta. You don't have. But you're not talking. You don't have to love me. Love is a choice. Love is an.

[Ish]

Action. That's a backhanded thing to say, too. Like, you gotta.

[Joe Button]

Love. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like.

[Ish]

That. It's.

[Joe Button]

Backhanded. I don't play with like.

[Flip]

That.

[Joe Button]

Huh? Got to love.

[Ish]

Them. Oh, hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On.

[Flip]

Uhoh. I'mma wait. We'll.

[Ish]

See. Got to vet.

[Joe Button]

It. Well, you took the got to vet it water out the water.

[Ish]

Bed.

[Flip]

Serious? Yeah, serious. But go.

[Joe Button]

Ahead. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And it's a shame. It's a shame we don't even sleep.

[Joe Button]

In. Hotel sleeping in. Yo. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you. Man. So glad, so glad y' all could be here with us. Until next time, we bid you would do farewell. Adios to Riva Dirce. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long goodbye or simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Lastly, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you with Tylenol, you might need it. Ego. Wait a minute, baby? Right there in the middle of things? Right there in the middle of things? Right there in the middle of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Things?

[Joe Button]

You right there in the middle of things? Right there in the middle of things? Right there in the middle of. Why you keep me yo, why you keep looking over at my serato sway? I smile. Who's.

[Ish]

That?

[Joe Button]

Sengo? This is Heat. The funny part, you can't buy this version nowhere. You can't even find this version on itunes. Nowhere. That's fucked up. I gotta send this to Michael Paul. He asked me for it. Shout out to Michael Paul. Shout out to my family. Shout out to my kids, my parents. I love y'. All. Shout out to my loved ones and their loved ones. Man, so glad y' all could be here with us for another episode. We'll be back, same time, same place, this weekend. Y' all hold it down until then. Man. Enough. Daddy. You've never heard of Joe, Buddy? Jbp. Jbp. Where would you be without the.

[Ish]

Jbp? We'll fold that up right now. Don't look away.