Episode 898 | "Revenge Served Cold"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 898 | "Revenge Served Cold"
Date: January 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers the classic, hilarious and sometimes intense energy that defines The Joe Budden Podcast. Joe is joined by friends and colleagues—including Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, Ice, Freeze, Bender, and others—for wide-ranging discussions that touch on snowstorm struggles, fatherhood, friendships, morality, celebrity apologies, musical legacy, income realities, and current events. The main theme running throughout the episode is accountability: in personal lives, in hip hop, in wealth, and notably in the wake of the week’s national news around policing and immigration.

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Notable Discussion Points

1. Blizzard Survival & Parenting Struggles

Timestamps: 00:30 – 16:00

• The crew trades comedic stories about their snowed-in weekends, parenting under duress, last-minute shopping, Uber delivery woes, and impromptu kitchen improvisations.
• Joe discusses being eaten "out of house and home" by his son during the snow day:

  "You name it. Quaker Oatmeal, Chex, anything you could find… it's all gone. … We've eaten everything in here. Everything I have to offer this little is gone." (13:51)

• The group reflects on the humble, pragmatic skills learned in poverty, showcased in emergency cooking situations.

2. Eyebrow Grooming and Masculinity

Timestamps: 00:28 – 03:15

• Light-hearted banter questioning whether any of the guys have had their eyebrows done, triggering jokes about masculinity, bullying, and self-care:

  Freeze: "Yeah, my eyebrows done. I'm not afraid to say it." (01:42)

3. Freedom, Marriages, and Living Vicariously

Timestamps: 03:15 – 04:45

• Freeze boasts about still enjoying more social freedom than Joe, leading to relatable (and comical) talk about marriages, home lives, and living vicariously through friends.
• Joe pushes back:

  "You're not gonna trick me into being divisive… Into exhibiting all these characteristics that I don't even think is fly at this age, man." (04:30)

4. Tracy Morgan vs. Old Friend: Morality & Revenge

Timestamps: 25:41 – 40:02

The Incident:

• Tracy Morgan is confronted by an old friend (now homeless) outside a Knicks game; the friend asks for help, but Tracy rebuffs him—reminding him how poorly he treated Tracy when they were younger.

Perspectives:

• The hosts debate whether Tracy’s reaction is petty or justified.

  Dr. Mark Lamont Hill: "There is something satisfying about revenge when it's served cold. So I do get it, but we gotta be better than that." (34:22)

• Joe considers it unmanly to act on “revenge emotion”:

  "I feel like you should be able to get to somewhere that doesn't land on revenge." (36:18)

• The complexity of apologies, grudges, and forgiveness is examined, with personal stories (Mark’s college roommate, etc.) illustrating how long past slights haunt or shape individuals.
• Final consensus: It’s better to take the high road, but the visceral urge for revenge is relatable.

5. Money, Wealth Mindset & Social Perception

Timestamps: 42:46 – 54:58

• Joe reads aloud a breakdown of income brackets, "wealth ladders," and what different income levels mean for lifestyle, psychology, and friendship/family tensions.
• The group comments on how “wealth” is often relative; asset-based wealth vs. income-based “rich.”
• Notable quote:

  "Preservation replaces accumulation. Control matters more than growth. This is where perspective changes." (50:11)

• Dr. Mark Lamont Hill plugs Black Marxism (by Cedric Robinson) as recommended further reading (166:37).

6. Helping the Homeless: Motives, Judgment, and Street Life

Timestamps: 54:51 – 58:13

• The podcast candidly debates whether to give money directly to the homeless, referencing drug addiction, street experience, and moral conflict.

  Mark: "If you were in the game… people who buy crack and heroin gonna get crack and heroin whether you give it to them or not… I might be stopping them from knocking somebody in the head." (56:09)

• The “food not cash” debate surfaces, with multiple perspectives presented.

7. Jim Jones vs. Kid Cudi & the ‘Day and Night’ Origin Story

Timestamps: 58:41 – 71:24

• Jim Jones claims he made Kid Cudi’s career by jumping on the "Day and Night" remix. Internet debates ensue.
• Group agrees Jim Jones gave the song more energy in NYC, but Cudi was already bubbling—ultimately, both perspectives can be true, but neither made nor broke the record solely.

Joe: "…anybody that is going to come add two, three, four…a hundred thousand spins to your [Billboard Data System]… that’s not regional help, that’s not New York City help." (71:13)

8. Kanye West’s Apology & Public Sincerity

Timestamps: 79:15 – 96:55

• Mark and several co-hosts discuss Ye’s lengthy new apology (published in the Wall Street Journal) for his anti-Semitic and anti-Black remarks.
• The group debates whether this apology signals true change or is just a marketing tactic due to lost status/endorsements.
• Mark points out this is the first time in a while Ye’s apology doesn’t demand forgiveness and fully acknowledges both mental illness and wronging the Black community.

  "He wasn't asking for a free pass… I'm asking for patience." (81:48)

• Ice: "I just believe people be full of shit, bro…especially when they've seen it work." (85:32)
• Joe: "I'm not about to rack my brain with: are you lying? Are you being honest? …I don't—no, not today. I'm praying for you, dog. That's the extent of where I'm going with this." (88:09)

9. Hip Hop’s Silence Amid Injustice (Minneapolis, ICE, and Race)

Timestamps: 140:30 – 170:47

• Joe passionately calls out hip hop’s current generation for silence in the face of blatant abuses of power—especially regarding ICE, immigration raids, the recent Minneapolis police killing, and the general rollback of civil rights under recent and current administrations.
• The group debates whether hip hop (and Black America) should feel compelled to protest when the latest police violence targets non-Black people.

  Joe: "Y’alls hip hop is scared, timid, afraid, down, complicit. Just a bunch of bums. But you want to fight for music rights and not no human rights. You are disgusting." (153:09)

• Mark emphasizes the loss of radical/activist leadership in hip hop.
• Real-life stakes are discussed—a friend detained, threats to immigrant families, the inescapability of state violence regardless of "status."
• The group laments broad trends toward selective outrage and decreasing political consciousness in rap and sports culture.

10. Other Key Topics & Memorable Moments

• Netflix’s Alex Honnold Climbing Stunt (102:10–112:17):
  Joe and crew marvel at Alex’s free-solo climb of Taipei 101, question live-stream liability and compensation, and discuss thrill-seeking psychology.
• Chad Hugo Sues Pharrell (171:01–178:25):
  The Neptunes split comes to a head over unpaid royalties; the group breaks down the business, pride, and artistry lost to money issues.
• Parenting, Fatherhood, Velour Tracksuits, & Pork Chop Sandwiches:
  Peppered throughout (see 127:29, 201:20+), the group’s classic riffing on fashion, food, and the aging Black male condition brings laughter and nostalgia.
• Football Playoff Talk & Super Bowl Predictions (189:11+):
  True to a snowed-in week and a mostly male crew, there’s deep fantasy football theory, hometown sporting heartbreak, and plans for Super Bowl parties.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Revenge (Tracy Morgan incident):

  • Mark: "There is something satisfying about revenge when it's served cold." (34:22)
  • Joe: "I feel like you should be able to get to somewhere that doesn't land on revenge." (36:18)

• On Wealth and Income Brackets:

  • Joe: "Preservation replaces accumulation. Control matters more than growth. This is where perspective changes." (50:11)

• On Hip Hop’s Failure to Speak Out:

  • Joe: "Y'alls hip hop is scared, timid, afraid, down, complicit. Just a bunch of bums. But you want to fight for music rights and not no human rights. You are disgusting." (153:09)

• On Kanye’s Apology:

  • Mark: "He wasn't asking for a free pass… I'm asking for patience." (81:48)
  • Joe (on processing public apologies): "I'm not about to rack my brain...I'm praying for you, dog. That's the extent of where I'm going with this." (88:09)

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Final Segment Highlights

• Super Bowl predictions & celebration plans; jokes about watching parties and relationship logistics (199:00+)
• Classic sign-off:
  Joe wraps up, reiterating gratitude to listeners and poking fun at his own and the crew’s lifestyles.
• Cameos of laughter:
  From space heaters (187:59) to “we warm” product placement and poverty nostalgia, the crew manages to both uplift and entertain.

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Tone & Flow

The podcast, as ever, alternates between raucous, unfiltered laughter and raw, reflective insight. Each story, debate, and side quest is alive with the signature interplay of bombastic honesty, sly cynicism, heartfelt empathy, and hard-won wisdom. Even on the heaviest topics, the mood oscillates—one moment grave and the next comedic—with the hosts' chemistry smoothing every pivot.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the episode, start at around 25:41 for the Tracy Morgan morality debate and stay for the incisive conversations about accountability—in friendships, in hip hop, and in society. This is a definitive JBP: honest, unedited, comedic, but not afraid to challenge itself or its listeners.

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, as well as its hosts, offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Bender]

Eyebrows got a price.

[Joe Button]

Is that the only thing Rich means?

[Ice]

No.

[Joe Button]

Okay, so what are you talking about? I ain't thinking about it like that. Come on, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got them done?

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Somebody in here?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, she said Rich has eyebrows. I thought you went and got them done. I used in Livingston the other day. I know that's where the eyebrow spot is.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Bender]

It's an eyebrow spot in Livingston.

[Joe Button]

Somebody. You wouldn't know better.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife go and Mark both light skinned. I figured y' all might hit the same.

[Ice]

That's a good one.

[Bender]

Your wife go, same.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Same threader.

[Erickson]

There's nothing wrong with getting your eyebrows done.

[Joe Button]

Somebody in here got their eyebrows done before.

[Erickson]

I wouldn't judge. I mean, I would, but.

[Ice]

I mean, I would judge.

[Freeze]

I did when I was younger.

[Joe Button]

We might have to.

[Freeze]

Get my eyebrows done. I got a wax before, and then I got it threaded. They was like, yo, you look, you were little in the hood, got at me for getting that wax. I went to get it threaded to.

[Joe Button]

Be less inconspicuous, and then somehow you just stopped grooming everything.

[Erickson]

They picked on him.

[Freeze]

Too much trauma.

[Joe Button]

He got trauma from eyebrow trouble.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bullying works.

[Bender]

That's crazy.

[Freeze]

Yeah, my eyebrows done. I'm not afraid to say it. Y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did the girls like it?

[Freeze]

Hell, yeah. Hell yeah. They liked it back in the days.

[Erickson]

Back in the days.

[Freeze]

Yeah. I don't like that shit now, Nigga.

[Joe Button]

You got back in the days for him, too. Be like when he was 8.

[Freeze]

Nah, back in the days, like when I was like a teen nigga. 18, 19.

[Joe Button]

Slow down, slow down. You better lower the numbers, nigga.

[Bender]

We on your team.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I don't know. If you got 15, just say 15.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

15.

[Joe Button]

You're doing that.

[Ice]

Trust me, you're doing that.

[Joe Button]

Foxy Brown, affirmative action, man. 15B. 15. All right.

[Freeze]

I'm 38. Yeah. So being 20 is not back in the days, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just answer me.

[Joe Button]

It is back in the days.

[Freeze]

Stop doing protecting back in the day.

[Ice]

We looking out for you.

[Erickson]

You've been married since you're 18.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I've been married since I was 21.

[Joe Button]

Oh, for a change, right?

[Freeze]

My first son. I had my. I had Junior at 16 different facts.

[Joe Button]

What I'm saying, that's a fact.

[Freeze]

Hey, my nigga, you good?

[Joe Button]

I'm great. Nigga, you got you stop trying to start with me today. Audience queens.

[Freeze]

Fluke, you can't move or do anything because your situation is different. You know what I'm saying? I know you want to live through me. I can move, right? I can still be outside. My wife is home. I can still be outside. I can still go around. You know what I mean? I could go outside. I could drive. I could do what I got to do. Our situations is different. You know what I'm saying? So. And I'll be home, but I can go outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We switch you to that last one.

[Freeze]

I'll be home, but I can go outside. You know what I mean?

[Erickson]

Carry the wall.

[Freeze]

Make sure I let my man know that I can just walk outside the door. I'm saying, just remind him what it feels like. He can live through me, though. He can live through me.

[Ice]

It's all right.

[Erickson]

Flippy is your proxy.

[Joe Button]

That's.

[Bender]

This.

[Joe Button]

Because. Because. Because of our recent weather conditions, I try to come in here, like, just smooth, melancholy, just on chill. Nah. But you don't. You don't believe that, like, right? You think I want to move? Like. Like how? Like how you move?

[Freeze]

I do. I do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Joe Button]

Freedom. Freedom is, you know, but freedom to.

[Freeze]

Do, to live life.

[Joe Button]

But you think I want to live. You think that's like a.

[Erickson]

That's a goal?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You think the life you laying out there is one that I. That I want to emulate.

[Erickson]

Of course.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Freeze]

Of course, man. I can show you better than I can tell you now. You know, I leave little. Little breadcrumbs around, as you can see.

[Bender]

You know what I mean?

[Freeze]

Don't say nothing. Look, just move it on. You get ready again.

[Joe Button]

No, because shooting at you would hurt other people.

[Freeze]

I don't get. We shouldn't care about them.

[Joe Button]

No, man, it's not about that.

[Erickson]

You don't want the collateral damage.

[Joe Button]

And I love you. It's early in the year, okay? You're not gonna trick me into being divisive.

[Erickson]

Too much divisiveness.

[Joe Button]

You're not gonna trick me into being unfriendly. To exhibiting all these characteristics that I don't even think is fly at this age, man.

[Freeze]

Got you.

[Joe Button]

Hold you. You're right. I'm on some smooth at 45.

[Freeze]

Don't smooth this.

[Joe Button]

We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. What's up, y'? All Good? Feel great, man. Good. Good. Good, good. Levels up, levels up, Levels up. Good to be levels, Levels. The levels. The levels. The levels are good. The levels are good. The levels are good. Mike check, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, two. Turn me up in the headphones. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's one of the songs I tried to hate on when it first came out, but then it was too much fun in the streets. It was way too much fun in the streets when this was out.

[Freeze]

Oh.

[Bender]

Boy.

[Joe Button]

The women were easy back then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. OT what up, boy? Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Shout out to the patronies out there. All the sub groups out there. I'm in love with the I'm in love with the.

[Ice]

Yeah. I'm on a new level I'm on.

[Joe Button]

A new level I'm on a new.

[Ice]

Level I'm on a new level Put me in new Chevy Put these in.

[Joe Button]

The dirt Same with the new bed all my put them dirt I'm on a new.

[Ice]

Marsh painting on your tor nails Hump the teeth doing so well first class from a royal.

[Joe Button]

Third with the drop down I see chain with the watch now. God damn, I'm on a new level Boy got joints, yeah.

[Freeze]

Somebody.

[Ice]

Run a different grind make him stay in order. You niggas my sons I only got.

[Joe Button]

A daughter I'm counting them, none of the.

[Ice]

Kicking Barcelona, more smoke than I bringing I ain't talking stoner, don't be.

[Joe Button]

A gun Both up Feeling more rich, Way more on my wrist, yeah Just so great in my game Just so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Great in my sl.

[Joe Button]

Rock on. Ain't gonna do that, Freeze. Mike check, mike check. Rock on. Ain't gonna play no Chef G. Knock it off. Knock it off. Freeze. Knock it off. It's me. You know it's me. I'm here today, man is going on out there. Get these drops out the way so I can introduce the best crew in the world. Man, I need these Dr.

[Ice]

Who was that?

[Joe Button]

And Flip. Flip. Flip. What episode is this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

898.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 898 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Powered by Fueled by Prize picks. Prize picks, gang. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, really happy to be here. Host here with a few really good people to my right. Queens get the money. You know the vibes. Queens flipping in the building next to him, Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building next to him, our good brother is Mr. Thousand Doors and Up is in the building next to him, Mr. Take it further himself. Freeze. The freeziest is in the building next to him. Our good brother Parks is in the building. Po is here, Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys out there at home. Most of you should be at home. Well, no kids had to go back to school. She kids had to go back to.

[Erickson]

School depending on what side of the river you are.

[Ice]

Oh, they didn't. Nah, nah, nah. Yeah, nah. They sent that notice yesterday. No school again today. I was so happy to have to come in here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have cried. I left early this morning if I got his notice. I was complaining about two hours late. We started two hours later. I had to drop off at 10:30.

[Bender]

I had a delay opening too. I ain't. It wasn't no full out day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I had enough.

[Joe Button]

Had enough the day before.

[Ice]

I'm good. You ain't take him outside to play in the snow or nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I put him outside. I put him outside.

[Joe Button]

Put him outside. Come on, you gotta go with him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody in the door. We got a yard. I didn't know.

[Bender]

I think I said I put him outside.

[Ice]

12 inches of snow.

[Bender]

Just not.

[Freeze]

Just not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. Oh man, I was so ready to drop his ass off this morning, man. It was good though.

[Ice]

It was cool.

[Joe Button]

I don't blame you. Boy, my baby mother could not be happier. Was my weekend on the snowden. Oh, on the snowden. Like you actually gotta spend time with this little motherfucker and watch him and learn them oh Lord. And shout out to the last minute shoppers out there whatever I bought on Thursday and Friday. Oh boy, I needed way more than that. Oh, I had to go. I was totally unprepared for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You was clowning us for doing. For. For the war.

[Joe Button]

Shopping for the appetite on these children.

[Erickson]

I was prepared. But then I was making soup and I was caramelizing the onions and I burnt them. So I had to go out at about 6, 6pm on Sunday in the.

[Joe Button]

Middle of the blizzard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What caramelized my onions in there.

[Joe Button]

Oh, poor pork. Pork.

[Erickson]

Then the grocery store next to me wasn't open so I had to go to the other one.

[Freeze]

It was not fun to get onions.

[Erickson]

To get onions here, my man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, that's crazy. I was using the out them Uber drivers, man. I tipped them all cash when they got there on top of it. Cause I knew how hard a ride it was for them. But I was definitely using all that shit. I had so much kings in my house.

[Bender]

Oh, that shit wasn't working in my hood.

[Joe Button]

Oh, that shit was closed.

[Bender]

That shit wasn't working in my hood.

[Joe Button]

No Uber drivers. No Uber eats. I ordered something and shit came five hours later.

[Bender]

Yeah, that shit wasn't working.

[Joe Button]

But humans and our ability to survive and adapt. Boy, bring me back to when I was stuck in poverty when that kitchen.

[Erickson]

Back to that Tudor boy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I forgot. Sometimes you forget you that nigga. Boy, y' all can't fuck with me on some. Just sausage, egg and cheese shit. Wait, what?

[Bender]

I eat that on the norm, nigga.

[Ice]

I don't know what the fuck you.

[Joe Button]

A couple burgers, some pancakes, potato. Just awesome. What's in here? Shit. There you go.

[Ice]

Figure it out. Figure it out.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I ain't done that in so long.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look good, too. I seen you post some shit on Instagram. Was that fried bologna or bacon or some shit?

[Joe Button]

Spam.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That wasn't Spam. Sausage.

[Joe Button]

Nah, that was the good old go to Sausage with the mustard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sausage the mustard.

[Joe Button]

Sausage with the mustard. Classic.

[Bender]

Oh, shit, you posted.

[Joe Button]

Oh, y'. All. It warms my heart. Some shit is just a ghetto classic, dog. It ain't no way. You gotta do it. You got to do it from time to time. Yeah. So me and my man, everything was cool. Everything was cool. And then I'm like, I'm dropping this little monster off.

[Bender]

Annie, rat it. Daddy had me eating his bullshit sausage.

[Joe Button]

Me out of house and home. I'm hitting her like, yo, I think I can make it to you tonight.

[Freeze]

She's like, nah, nah.

[Joe Button]

Tomorrow afternoon. It's fine. I'm like, you're not understanding. We've eaten everything in here. Everything I have to offer. This little. Is gone. You name it. Quaker, Oatmeal, Chex. Anything you could find in this, it's gone. The rice, banana, the rice cake shit, it's all. It's done. We done. So, yeah, that was fun. Getting eaten out of house. No, no.

[Ice]

That shit. No.

[Bender]

My dilemma was. Cause I went to Maryland on Thursday, then I came. Then I came here on Thursday.

[Joe Button]

Talk heavy.

[Freeze]

Let's go, boy. What you doing?

[Bender]

I ain't get a chance to get no salt. So Friday night, my Nigga, I'm outside 2 in the morning looking for salt. You couldn't find salt nowhere.

[Joe Button]

If you just searched internally, you can find salt.

[Freeze]

What you doing out in Maryland?

[Joe Button]

You just look deep, deep inside. Plenty of that.

[Ice]

So you driving around 2 o' clock looking for salt on Sunday?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good excuse. Did you workshop this one? You got. You got to get a better one than that.

[Bender]

I'm on the Phone with my girl.

[Joe Button]

Like, you know how when you get older, your. Your lines fall off?

[Freeze]

I know that hold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I found some salt. I'll call you back.

[Bender]

No.

[Freeze]

I see a whole depot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

24 hours.

[Bender]

Them are selling them little baby bags of salt. 25 joints the quarter store. I mean, 25 pounds wanted $25 dollars.

[Ice]

How bad you need it supplying them?

[Bender]

Yeah, I bought five or six of them. That was crazy. Yo, the bum salt.

[Erickson]

Did you go out and shovel your.

[Joe Button]

Your. Wait, you did all this searching and bought 5 and 6?

[Bender]

That's all they had.

[Joe Button]

Oh, okay.

[Freeze]

He bought the whole thing.

[Joe Button]

Did you go around?

[Bender]

They had the little shits.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Bender]

Only one they had the little was 19. The little canister. You ain't had no choice.

[Freeze]

Them was distracting, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like.

[Freeze]

Yeah, he highlights how expensive. Let's go. What you was doing outside, driving around.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you was doing in 2am in the snowstorm?

[Joe Button]

What's up?

[Freeze]

That's what I want to talk.

[Bender]

I was trying to be a responsible landlord to make sure my tenants was taken care of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, you drove to Maryland to take care of your tenants?

[Freeze]

I used to do that.

[Bender]

I used to do that.

[Joe Button]

Listen, let me tell you something, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You better than this, man.

[Joe Button]

That nigga lies that he getting off.

[Freeze]

Over there all the way to Maryland to go shovel some snow.

[Joe Button]

This.

[Freeze]

Yo, you a legend. That's what I said. I never met a nigga.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you said, too.

[Joe Button]

I was like, we still don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What he was doing.

[Joe Button]

He put so much bunch of fools. He put so much unimportant facts in there.

[Freeze]

He put a lot of filler that we.

[Joe Button]

Right, right.

[Freeze]

He body it too.

[Bender]

I still don't know, dodo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So what was in Maryland?

[Bender]

I went to Maryland Thursday day.

[Freeze]

What was out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It didn't snow on in anticipation of the snow. Anyway, lay that salt down early.

[Freeze]

Y never crib out there, right? The drunk.

[Ice]

I'm cool, bro.

[Joe Button]

And they keep feeding it to me. He's not telling y', all, hey, but if you known him long enough, you just know what was going on. You know what's going on. That's my man. Come on. Oh, my God. I'm glad everybody made it to work. Say, how's everybody's vehicle snowed in?

[Erickson]

I take an Uber here. I shoveled it out twice. And then the plows came and just buried the again. I shoveled my car out because I was on the street.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Erickson]

I shoveled a little bit on my. My front steps because I got women and children in the Building. And no one was doing it yet. So I'm like, let me. I'm out here anyway.

[Joe Button]

You're a great guy. That's nice.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

White guilt.

[Ice]

You salt.

[Joe Button]

White guilt that. White guilt. Least I can do after all the that we done. Who else was shoveling?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't shovel.

[Freeze]

She put salt down.

[Ice]

Goddamn thing.

[Erickson]

No, I didn't have salt. But someone came eventually and brought salt, so.

[Freeze]

Gotcha.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Bender]

Yeah. Shoveling with no snow, salt is useless.

[Ice]

I mean, not really. It's better than nothing, but it's cool.

[Bender]

Nah, shovel.

[Joe Button]

Guess who didn't do absolutely no shoveling. Nothing in front. Well, I don't have to do though, because somebody's gonna come and do the shoveling. But no, you guessed it. My baby mama, boy.

[Bender]

Your baby mama.

[Joe Button]

I got to carry this. I got to carry him to the door. I got Uggs on. Oh, his man know what she at? 3ft Snow up to my thighs.

[Bender]

That was real.

[Joe Button]

Snow up to my thighs. Walkers little to the. Oh, my God. Oh, freeze.

[Bender]

That's your job.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all make too much money to be shoveling. Man.

[Joe Button]

That full time dad. Full time. Still no God.

[Ice]

Something wrong with him.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to the full time dads out there marking. Freeze.

[Ice]

Yo, you are an idiot. That.

[Freeze]

And flip.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Freeze]

And ish. And flip it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish.

[Joe Button]

The crazy. Hey, hey. I wasn't even trying to do whatever y' all are doing.

[Freeze]

You say my name too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Flip too.

[Freeze]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

Totally.

[Freeze]

You just started again.

[Erickson]

Mark, you drove that car in the snow.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. What jacket did you wear?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't wear a jacket.

[Ice]

I didn't wear no jacket. You know this thing.

[Joe Button]

I didn't wear a coat. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We gonna get the dog Sunday. I stayed in the house and I didn't. The guys who shoveled. Cause I have the same people. Do my lawn, do my shoveling.

[Erickson]

Oh, that's kind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They didn't come. Yeah, great guys. They didn't. They didn't come out on Sunday, I guess. Cause it was still nasty. But like 5am I'm on the couch, sleep. Cause I fell asleep watching TV. They was fucking. They just woke me up at 5am hold on. All I heard was.

[Joe Button]

Hold on.

[Ice]

This spirited conversation still going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, niggas watch tv, boy. What you watch the couch, right?

[Joe Button]

What's going on in home, everybody?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, home is a lot of. I fell asleep on the couch like I was watching tv. Cuz it was. I was. And I just passed out the bedroom.

[Freeze]

Watch TV in the bedroom. You Got the TV in the bedroom, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. Because, like, the lounge is, like, right next to the. It's all part of one suite. So, like, if I'm watching tv, she can still hear in the.

[Freeze]

Okay, you wanted to be considerate.

[Joe Button]

Wait, what's up?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to wake her.

[Joe Button]

Wait, what is he talking.

[Freeze]

Who paid the bills? You pay the bills, or y' all both pay it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, we're. We're a unit 5050 thing together. Check it out on Patreon.

[Joe Button]

All right. She got. All right, so she going to have to hear a little bit of this Dayline.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or I could go downstairs and watch it in the other room.

[Joe Button]

I mean, I guess. I guess you could.

[Erickson]

You coming off of all them spirited conversations.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You want to go downstairs?

[Freeze]

You was on your phone downstairs?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I was watching tv.

[Freeze]

Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

On the thing. And then I was.

[Joe Button]

Wait, was your phone. Wait, was your phone with you? We know that, Dre.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My phone was with you.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I didn't want to wake up, cuz.

[Freeze]

I was on the phone.

[Ice]

Yo, she.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, she.

[Joe Button]

Hold up, yo. Yo, one day we got to talk about that. When go in that basement. Crazy. Yo, Mark, Y.

[Bender]

How do I get in this?

[Joe Button]

Y' all cool?

[Bender]

How do I get in this?

[Joe Button]

I just want to know if y'.

[Freeze]

All two are cool. Hey, he hang up quick, too. So I know his fig about the mu.

[Joe Button]

But quick. Hold up, hold up. Hold on, guys.

[Freeze]

His finger click by that. Give me body and yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, man, I just watching tv.

[Freeze]

My wife caught me on the phone before. I can't do that shot.

[Joe Button]

I'm the slowest swiper upper. She come right out the bathroom. See the right, right. My big ass. My big ass. D. I'm trying to be smooth.

[Ice]

That's when it just start dropping.

[Joe Button]

She like, look at this. You stupid ass.

[Freeze]

I get caught on that. That.

[Joe Button]

I go talk to the car. I don't swipe up fast enough. I be getting caught.

[Freeze]

Can't get caught. You can't talk. You get on the phone. That's when they appear.

[Joe Button]

All right, you.

[Freeze]

I didn't see you for the whole day. You want to appear when I get on the phone? N. I got to get on some Is.

[Bender]

You know, you don't have to get on any.

[Joe Button]

No, that's when they pop up, too.

[Freeze]

You should get on some and not be on the phone.

[Bender]

And not be on the phone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Button]

Wait, when did that become issued? Have we changed the meaning of is shit? Cause you 50 now, the exact definition of ish is be on the phone 24 7.

[Bender]

Not when you're not supposed to. Or people that you're not supposed to.

[Ice]

Be on the phone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Boom.

[Joe Button]

Please.

[Freeze]

We can tell we're not in the doghouse.

[Joe Button]

Whose house is house?

[Freeze]

That nigga bark. It's okay, Mark. We here.

[Joe Button]

I'm good.

[Freeze]

What you ate for dinner last night?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I order tacos.

[Joe Button]

My brother going, I order tacos.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a coincidence.

[Joe Button]

You going through it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I cooked last night too, but I didn't eat it.

[Joe Button]

Prayers for anybody at home.

[Freeze]

Home.

[Joe Button]

That's. I mean, wink, if you in danger. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Going through it. He had to eat tacos. What type of tacos, boy? Turkey, right? With baloney.

[Bender]

You up?

[Erickson]

It's a baloney tacos.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I order. I just fell asleep again.

[Freeze]

She not playing with that.

[Joe Button]

She him up. Yeah, cuz.

[Freeze]

That show too. The show fire and the show fire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are we having a great time, man, there's nothing like working with your partner, adding more time together during the week.

[Erickson]

Conversations on snow. It is tough.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, we. We actually got along great over there.

[Joe Button]

I mean, we. We're good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We had a. We had it. Yeah.

[Erickson]

You just went to the basement and she went upstairs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how you stay. Wait till you. Wait till you. Wait till you in the same situation. I'm telling you, like.

[Freeze]

I'm at home. Black talks on the phone. Hey, hello.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't got nobody talk. I'm just saying, like, when I have will keep your relationship going. Longer space.

[Erickson]

That's a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. You know my basement. I go in that basement. Go close that door.

[Ice]

Yep.

[Joe Button]

This is what they say.

[Freeze]

This is what they say. We know where you going. We can see we. It's on the wall, gang. Listen. Happiness is the key.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to all you out there. Y' all was snowed in together. Looking at your partner's stupid ass face.

[Freeze]

He treating that like it's Covid.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, that was up.

[Freeze]

It was.

[Joe Button]

That dude was up out there. I went out there.

[Freeze]

There.

[Joe Button]

I went out there. And you remembered how important geography was, you know? I mean, if you was close to Main Ave. Or a highway or somewhere with some businesses they had, they going to hold you down. But if you was on one of them side blocks, hills in New Jersey, boy, you could tuck that little car somewhere. Word. They wasn't giving a on them roads. Oh, yeah. Drive carefully out there. Yeah, that's. That's what we got. Drive carefully. Hopefully everybody survived. Everybody's alive and feeling good and great. That was fun.

[Erickson]

I Can't wait to drive again.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right. You slow. You like?

[Joe Button]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is hot.

[Freeze]

It's high pink.

[Erickson]

It's like four feet away from the door and then like three feet high. It's in there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't. You can do about it.

[Ice]

My was crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You should have told me. I came and picked you up.

[Ice]

This dumb ass $90 uber it sure.

[Freeze]

Cuz you pick the up it up. My plan to move around. I mean, you got. I know that trick. End of your morning run. I don't want. No, don't pick me up, man.

[Joe Button]

I'm good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I might even use you to say, hold on. I stopped for bagels and Bayonne come get me for.

[Freeze]

Act like you friggin ice. What's the ice? It's ice. Nigga be lying. It's ice. Yo, you coming to get me? I got you. Fuck out of here.

[Joe Button]

Ish.

[Freeze]

How you got here to work this morning, gang?

[Joe Button]

A Uber.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Call me next time, bro. I got you.

[Joe Button]

Okay, so I feel like everybody's really excited to talk about Tracy Morgan. Yes, we are.

[Erickson]

I don't know what happened with Tracy Morgan, so I'm excited to learn.

[Joe Button]

Tracy Morgan was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was so ill, I thought it was fake.

[Joe Button]

Tracy Morgan was leaving the Knick gang name, huh? And he saw an old friend outside. Well, old friend saw him outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And you got attention.

[Bender]

Tracy.

[Joe Button]

Yo, what's up? Can you. Can you spare some change?

[Erickson]

Oh, he was like.

[Joe Button]

Or something like that.

[Freeze]

I think Tracy started it by saying, I don't owe you anything.

[Bender]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna play it.

[Erickson]

Oh.

[Ice]

Someone videotape this whole interview outside the Nick game?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, outside the Nick game.

[Ice]

It's a page that's on the page.

[Joe Button]

Do at that VIP entrance where paparazi and everybody is just standing there ready to. So you know, he's coming out of there. And it do be a couple of the same people outside of there. Here we go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think they live there.

[Joe Button]

We always don't ask about tax.

[Bender]

Tax.

[Joe Button]

Don't talk to me like I owe you something. I didn't say, boy, can I get something, please? No, know.

[Erickson]

We was younger.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but I forgot I'm. I'm homeless, boy.

[Freeze]

So what that got to do with me?

[Ice]

I do that.

[Erickson]

So he said, you did something bad to me when I was younger or something.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you said. I remember how you spoke to me when we was younger. You spoke bad to me when we was younger. I didn't forget.

[Bender]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Button]

Fuck out of here. And now he's saying, but I'm Homeless.

[Erickson]

I didn't do that to you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, I take care of my kids. That's how it ended. Tracy said there were some theories on the Internet. There were two. One was that he was a first. Everybody. I was saying he was a bully from his childhood, which isn't true. I don't believe a woman comedian jumped in. And again has been confirmed, but she says that this guy was a comic who was on the scene. They all came up together when they were younger. And he was like the shit talker, asshole kind of dude who's now fallen on some pretty hard times. It's not the first time he's fallen on hard times. That's the. That seems to be the story that is the most accurate, even though it hasn't been confirmed.

[Joe Button]

Okay, but how we feel about it, though, I gotta figure out.

[Freeze]

I'm in the middle.

[Erickson]

I'm not mad at Tracy.

[Ice]

I'm on Tracy side.

[Bender]

Are y' all serious?

[Freeze]

I'm in the middle, bro.

[Ice]

The niggas up here are. I'm on Tracy side.

[Erickson]

If someone treated me like when we was down and now I'm up. And you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't for nothing, even if you homeless.

[Ice]

I'm sorry, that's not my. I didn't. Did I contribute to you being homeless?

[Erickson]

Homeless.

[Ice]

You treated me like. Well, I guess you didn't. Thought I'd get here.

[Erickson]

I did.

[Ice]

I'm here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He wouldn't be homeless. That's right.

[Ice]

That's what I'm saying. You're not. You, you. It should be a lesson to you to watch how you talk to people. You never know when you might need them.

[Freeze]

We got bigger hearts than that.

[Joe Button]

No, we don't.

[Freeze]

No, we don't.

[Ice]

No, the. We don't. We don't have. You might have a bigger heart than that.

[Freeze]

I'll just show you that. Listen, man, I got a big. I got a big heart. I forgive you.

[Erickson]

Some people be like, real. Like, they don't have, like. Some people are assholes. It's like you're just kind of being asshole to be funny. Some people are assholes, like, with a non redeeming level of assholeness. And no, I wouldn't.

[Bender]

I want to talk to him like that.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm about to say to these dudes. Even if that's your position, you would stand in front of the homeless dude after he says I'm homeless and say.

[Bender]

I ain't do that.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'm not. Get the out of my face.

[Ice]

Like, depending on how this used to talk to me. Absolutely, absolutely. You damn right you can say. I'm telling you something. We don't know how that dude used to talk to Tracy. And obviously Tracy knows. And I ain't forgot you. Now you coming to me? Nah, fam.

[Erickson]

And Tracy, though, good luck with like a in general. Like, so if he feels this way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm pretty sure he seemed really upset.

[Bender]

When you watch the video, it could be justifiable. My thing is, I would have just took the high road and been like, I don't with dude. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't have belittled him or berated him.

[Ice]

But he started with that. But then you go and say, but I'm homeless. Like, now you throwing it.

[Bender]

I remember you. I remember.

[Ice]

I remember what you.

[Bender]

You know, I mean.

[Ice]

Yeah, so I'm talking direct. I remember you. We not cool. I don't with you. Then you try to guilt me by saying, but I'm homeless.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, maybe.

[Ice]

Oh, well, I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I can see how he said, like, I know we have beef, but I'm not asking, like, for $10 so I can grab a. Yeah, I'm homeless.

[Joe Button]

Whatever we had back then, I lost.

[Ice]

I'm humbling myself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My bad.

[Joe Button]

I'm sorry life didn't turn out the greatest for me. I know I did some fucked up shit. I'm homeless. I didn't take as trying to guilt trip him. I thought he was saying this shit kind of trumped. And that's the other thing about giving, right? Like, a lot of times with giving for the heart, it's in spite of your personal feelings about giving.

[Ice]

Y' all could say all of that. Again, we do not know what transpired between the two of them. And he could be on a forever. It's up list. And that's just that some people have that list where I yo, we hear whatever happens. Don't you already know what happened between us? You even coming to me is crazy.

[Joe Button]

I'm not speaking to nobody like that on camera.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the other thing. Well, and for what I understand the guy kind of intentionally, strategically asked the question in front of the cameras, thinking he's gonna get a better or to pressure you. Like, even if you don't feel guilty, you just might feel like I'm famous and I can't.

[Ice]

You put me on the spot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Ice]

That's what I'm trying to say. Not necessarily guilt, but now you're throwing me on the spot.

[Joe Button]

You could have said no. I pray for you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just do that a million different ways. I'll call you later. You know what I mean?

[Erickson]

Call the Tracy Morgan donation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Joe Button]

I mean there's just no way for it to look good when you. When you are as up as Tracy Morgan is.

[Ice]

But sometimes again, back to whatever happened. I don't even care if I look good when it comes to know you.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Ice]

We don't know what happened between them, yo. And that is important.

[Erickson]

It is.

[Ice]

So I'm giving Tracy Morgan the benefit of the doubt because he don't look like the person that always does this. He don't come off like an so obviously there's something here with this particular person and the person knows. So he's like, yo, I remember you.

[Bender]

You.

[Ice]

You know me. Don't ask me for are you crazy?

[Freeze]

It's just a time and place, I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Guess for me it depends on y'.

[Joe Button]

All was mean to freeze out there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, the funny part.

[Ice]

Nobody on that list Freeze used to.

[Bender]

Be people and they're just mean to people. So my thing is at this particular point in time, that's like somebody holding a 15 year grudge against you. For some that you said and used to say some mean the guess that's.

[Joe Button]

Why you my father tomorrow. That's a good point.

[Ice]

They do though. That's the part you forgetting. They do.

[Joe Button]

Wait, they do what?

[Ice]

There's people that have said, nah, we not with you because of this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And if you would expect them to.

[Ice]

Give it to you, I just gotta eat that. That's what comes with it.

[Joe Button]

You saying that you're saying that with clothes on and fully.

[Ice]

I'm responding to. I used to be mean to people. I'm telling you, me being mean to people has still affected me even if I've spoken to these. There's people that's come up here that ain't really been with me.

[Joe Button]

If you was homeless and we're not gonna drag this but if you was homeless and seen somebody that you were mean to when they were up and they said, yo, suck my dick, nigga. I remember you. Get the fuck. Like it would hurt. It would hurt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That wouldn't feel good.

[Freeze]

But he said that's powerful.

[Ice]

You gotta accept that though. You know what you did, it's your fault. We hear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

You could gain understanding from what you've been through and therefore exhibit a different behavior.

[Ice]

Well, maybe apologize then. Maybe just maybe try to have a conversation. Apologize to the person instead of just right up to them asking for something. But you know you wrong. Accountability first.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's the thing about being an asshole. Just from personal experience, sometimes you're a jerk to so many people that you don't even realize how you affected that person. Like that guy might not even remember it at that. Which is like school bullies sometimes don't realize how much they traumatize somebody.

[Joe Button]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dude might not even be thinking about that. He's like, yo, we came together. I'm just as I understand the story. I came up as comics. Like yeah, we used to go back and forth. I used to fuck with you and clown you because of this, that and this. But like I'm fucking homeless. It's gotta be bigger than that.

[Ice]

So the second he tells him, like I said, I wanna drag it. The second he says, yeah, but I remember how, I remember how you talked to me. That's your reminder right there. Instead of you taking accountability, you then flip it and say, but I'm homeless, so fuck all. Everything I did. I'm homeless now. You should just be on my side.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There was a guy when I was a senior, as I'm thinking about it, I didn't handle it well either. There was a guy when I, when I was a freshman in college at Morehouse. He was my roommate. He was a dickhead. And on the last day I had kind of started moving into the cult. And I remember the last. When I got back to the dorm to get my shit, he had given away all my CDs. His people that took like my polo jacket. I ended up fighting his homeboy. I didn't find him. He went back to la and I never really heard from him again after I left school. And I always had a grudge. I always felt really fucked up. He took advantage of me because he thought he could. You know what I'm saying? And then last year his house burned down in California and during the fires and he did a gofundme. His name was.

[Ice]

Yeah, name don't matter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Kind of does though, but.

[Joe Button]

Oh my lord.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Donnie. And. And he had to go for me and I was going to donate $1 and say, you know, you could keep the know for them cds. Oh, and he ran up my long distance bill to la, calling people from la. You know, back then the long distance.

[Joe Button]

Bill was a long distance was a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So. And my wife stopped me cause she was like, you can't leave a dollar and like leave a smart ass message. But to me like that would have been like revenge. I wasn't bigger. I was gonna say I was not big enough. And so I was sitting. I'm saying that to say, like, I'm a little mad at Tracy, but I'm like, when I had the opportunity to be a bigger person, I wasn't either. There is something satisfying about revenge when it's served cold. So I do get it. I do get it. But we gotta be better than that.

[Freeze]

It made me question.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Freeze]

But it made me question the experience.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my Lord.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Donnie Kinsey. You ain't got no house.

[Joe Button]

I saw something.

[Ice]

No.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he's.

[Ice]

See, that's definitely. That's different.

[Freeze]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

But Mark is an evil, evil spirit. Anyways.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was 200 CDs. You know, I'm 21 years old.

[Freeze]

Come on, man.

[Joe Button]

There's something about a man getting revenge.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

To me, there's something with that. Like, it's something going around right now saying how you would snow then if you a man. I think certain shit is just not manly.

[Erickson]

Revenge being one of them.

[Joe Button]

Not so much the act, but the self realization and the processor. The. The thought train that your brain has to go through to land on what gets you to the act. The act you totally understand. It's an emotion. And that's what happens if you internalize that the wrong way. But yeah, as a man, when you process that, I feel like you should be able to get to somewhere that doesn't land on.

[Bender]

I agree with that.

[Joe Button]

Revenge.

[Bender]

I agree. Like, and I'm.

[Ice]

And I hold grudges.

[Erickson]

Sweetest thing.

[Bender]

But I won't.

[Ice]

But I won't act on it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's. Holding a grudge is very different from.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I won't act on it.

[Bender]

I won't do.

[Joe Button]

I want revenge.

[Bender]

I'm not doing it.

[Ice]

I don't think that's the same thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What we talk about, watching somebody fail is not revenge.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Revenge would be burning down his rejoicing.

[Freeze]

Dude, rejoicing is a form of revenge, though. You don't think so?

[Bender]

Aha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, yes, I hear that. I hear that. I hear that. But not helping somebody. I'm saying, like, what I would have been doing is revenge. If I had put on Dudes gofundme. That would have been revenge.

[Ice]

You just ignored it completely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just decided to ignore it.

[Ice]

And I don't see nothing wrong with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Homeless.

[Erickson]

I don't either.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's tough, though. It's.

[Bender]

You holding people to shit. You said you were 21.

[Freeze]

Is that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually. I was 19. Now I think about, actually.

[Bender]

So you. That man where he was 20 years ago. And some of the antics that niggas did when they was in high school or college, when you meet them today, they totally different individuals.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Bender]

And I think hardships, I think adversities and all of that stuff will make you become a different person. So you. You harboring that from 20 years ago back is different.

[Erickson]

Seven years to say, yo, my bad. Here's $200.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's. That's. Even if I apologize to me. I would have let it. I'd have let it go immediately. Ice, you persuaded me. Exactly. I started one position. I'm changing my position. Cause you've persuaded me we should be better. But I'm not there yet. God's still working on me.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's okay.

[Joe Button]

How old are you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

47. Come on, mon.

[Joe Button]

That part of the work should be done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But, you know, but the thing that I thought about with Tracy was because he was in that awful accident and his life was spared and he got all that money from that, that he'd have a perspective on life that would be a little bit more enlightened than me. Like, he'd be like, look, I've been saved. I've been blessed. Let me bless somebody else. Let me be forgiven.

[Ice]

Hold on.

[Joe Button]

You had a good career, nigga.

[Ice]

Where you came from.

[Freeze]

Where you came from to cnn, and you had a promising career.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Imagine if I still had them CDs in that Polo jacket.

[Freeze]

A person could say that same thing about you. You had a promising career. You live well. You want a number one podcast. You great contributor. Like you had. Like, you are somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I should have perspective, and I should have gradually. I. I still have the same position.

[Joe Button]

You're a doctor, for crying out loud.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We should be better. I'm just saying I recognize that in practice, I'm better.

[Joe Button]

You more so than us, though. But why does it.

[Erickson]

Why is it always on the person who's doing well to be better? Why is it not on the person who did shitty things to not at some point say, damn, I was really shitty to this person? Let me apologize.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think both are true. If you. I think. Sorry. Go ahead.

[Freeze]

I'm sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna say, too much is given, much is required. We've been blessed with so much that we should give more. Yes. And you should humble yourself and say sorry whether you're homeless or not. Both things are true.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Here's the thing for me in closing, Mark, when he speaks, he says, yo, if I get a lot of money, I'm gonna donate to this. I care about Palestine. I care about the whole world. He says that I'm go above and beyond for everyone else. So to hear him on the other side of that, to say that, yo, this man's house burned down and it's good for him. I was gonna donate a dollar to make fun of him, buy some fucking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

CDs, but I didn't.

[Freeze]

We don't use CDs anymore. And he has a thousand polo jackets.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Them kids and Gaza didn't steal my Lost Boys tracks. All I'm saying is, like, I can donate to a lot of people and feel good about it. I should have helped him, or I should. I at least wish I didn't have that urge to. To spike the football with that $1 donation again. I didn't do it. Cause I was stopped. That's why you have a better half. It would have been really funny though.

[Ice]

No way to who?

[Bender]

And honestly, it could have touched homeboy's heart if you would have donated 2, 3, 4, 5, $1,000 to him. Like, damn, I treated that nigga like shit when we was in college. He just donated $1,000 to my cause. Like, that's fair.

[Joe Button]

You know what this is reminding me of? I saw a clip recently. Recently. It was one of those. One of those prankster dudes in the supermarket where he wants to give somebody $10,000, but he's asking them. So he went up to the first person. He said, yo, my, my credit cards, I don't have no money on me. I'm just trying to purchase this box of whatever it was. Can you please help me? Like, I. I don't have it. I need it. I'll give you. I'll pay you later. And the guy is like. Like, it was an older white gentleman. He's like, I don't, I don't have it. I'm. I'm. I'm down to my last as well. I. I wish I could. I'm broke. And the guy keeps asking, but please, but please. And he's like, I'm broke if I could, if I would, but I'm broke. He goes to the very next couple. They immediately purchased the. The box for him. He says, it's a prank show. It's a prank show. I'm giving you ten grand. I'm giving you ten grand. And the camera zooms in on the white gentleman who just said he didn't have it. And that's the big haha and the big laugh. And then I hit the comments, and everybody's crying. Emojis, laughing emojis, laughing emojis. And I say, yeah, this is really funny. If we assume that that guy had it right and was being a dick, right? But if we just taking people at.

[Ice]

Their word, he probably needed.

[Joe Button]

Why the would you do something like that? That. Why the would you do something like that if that guy really didn't have it and really would have. And you just giving away money, Right?

[Bender]

See, I like the ones where they ask for assistance. You know what I'm saying? Like, I. I like the ones where they might.

[Joe Button]

That is wacky.

[Bender]

I agree. But if they be like, yo, can you help me with such and such. And people just be blowing them off being. And then. Because there's another one. It was a woman from New York. It went viral. Crazy. Where the dude was giving. He asked for some assistance. The lady went to help him, and he gave her mad bread. And then she just bust out in tears and was like, yo, can I give him some of my money? I saw that she started giving out money that the homeboy had gave her to other people. Like, that shit just. It was real heartwarming.

[Joe Button]

But, Mark, did you. You had a question before I moved on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Cause you're taking the high road. You've worked with people. Some have ended better than. Than others. Whoever. The worst departure you've ever had with. If they were homeless, would you give them money? Yeah, without. Without a hesitation.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no doubt about it.

[Bender]

Yeah, bro.

[Joe Button]

Instantly, bro. Instantly. Yeah.

[Bender]

This is my thing.

[Joe Button]

Like you without a second thought about what occurred in our. In our history yesterday. If I see somebody that. That. Oh, my. Yeah. I don't. I don't even understand the other side of that. That's me. That's me. That's me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're a better person than me.

[Joe Button]

I want to read. I want to read something to y' all that I saw. I think. I think it'll be interesting. From a wealth management. Wealth management firm just about mindset and lifestyle as it equates to money consumption. Okay. And the different brackets. Right. I thought this was really, really, really interesting. Feel free to stop me at any point if a sentence or word speaks to you or you have something to say about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Because I just think all of it is interesting what your income level actually means. All right. Low income, under 1500 dollars month. Every expense feels urgent. Planning feels impossible. Stability is fragile. Money here is about getting through the month. Anything interesting there, Bender?

[Bender]

Been there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That's what stands out to me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That planning thing.

[Ice]

I had to call out of work.

[Joe Button]

You can't plan what you can. Yeah.

[Erickson]

Had to call out of work, you got to go to the grocery store and buy according to how much you can spend that day.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Stably paid, 3,000 to 4,500 per month. Needs are covered. Progress feels slow. Saving feels difficult. You're surviving, not building. Okay, let me see. Three grand of 4, 500.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Ice]

You ain't building a and ain't living in North America.

[Bender]

Let me stop you real quick. When you. When you start to talk regionally. Yeah, that 3,500. I mean, 3,000 to 4,500 in certain areas in the country.

[Erickson]

You can live off that.

[Joe Button]

You'll be fine. Yeah, you all can like a king.

[Bender]

But in certain areas of. Not king, but certain areas of the country.

[Joe Button]

Country.

[Bender]

That's the 1500 bracket.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

But we don't have to dwell.

[Joe Button]

Middle class. 4, 500 to $6,000 per month. Routine expenses are manageable. I mean, you paying your bills. Lifestyle inflation creeps in. That's the thing. That's where all of us lose our girl. If you. If you. I'm gonna start explaining this to y' all in case you're not really understanding what some of this and stuff. That's where all us fight with our girl. Lifestyle inflation creeps in.

[Ice]

Rapper done bought us some shoes.

[Joe Button]

That was 1200. Raises don't feel life changing. Money stress shifts but doesn't disappear. Yeah. Six grand a month. Yeah, yeah. 4,500. I get it. I get it. Comfortable. Six grand to nine grand a month.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Month.

[Joe Button]

More flexibility, more decisions, more responsibility. Money becomes about balance, not survival.

[Erickson]

Okay, okay, I follow.

[Ice]

Yeah, I'm following.

[Joe Button]

Any thoughts come.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That were. Comfortable is so relative.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Any words that are jumping out to y' all so far?

[Freeze]

No.

[Joe Button]

No, not yet. Six grand and nine grand. More flexibility, More decision boarder is.

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Money becomes about balance. All right, I get it. Upper middle class, $9,000 to $12,000. Optionality increases. That's where we lose our girl.

[Freeze]

Yeah. You start. You start.

[Joe Button]

She lose us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Freeze]

We lose her.

[Joe Button]

She lost us. Time becomes valuable. Financial mistakes feel expensive.

[Freeze]

Incoming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

That long.

[Freeze]

Yep.

[Joe Button]

Financial mistakes for.

[Ice]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Income improves, complexity increases. That's the other part that's tough to explain to people.

[Ice]

Can't understand it.

[Joe Button]

That complexity has increased now. Yeah. Things are not like they were. I'm looking. We're looking through a different lens. That's what I'm getting here.

[Ice]

You look. You start losing friends, necessarily right around.

[Bender]

Discussions start to be had with your friends that they don't understand. Nigga, I had an art. I had an argument with my mother.

[Joe Button]

That's what.

[Ice]

I'm transparent.

[Joe Button]

This is where.

[Bender]

Like, they just don't understand what your level of expenses look like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Bender]

You get what I'm saying? Like, people just be like, yo, you got it.

[Erickson]

Yeah, fair.

[Bender]

And it's like, I'm not losing friends.

[Erickson]

Over that or family. But car.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Bender]

It's a conversation starting to be had. No, I won't lose them. But conversations start to change the relationship.

[Ice]

You might not lose them. Part of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cu you at the bottom of that scale. The top might as well be 300. Like, it's so far from $50 zillion dollars. Right, that they can't appreciate the differences. Like, if you had 1500, that 9000, 10,000, 12,000 even. Seems like a million to people.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Wealthy. Wealthy. 12 grand to 25 grand per month. Lifestyle is no longer the constraint. Oh, baby, that's wealthy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who made that? Tracy Morgan, Iowa. Maya.

[Bender]

Indian.

[Joe Button]

Listen, buddy, I'm reading.

[Erickson]

If you make 25 grand a month, you're wealthy. If there are additional expenses, I say rich.

[Ice]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, 25 grand a month is like 280,000 a nose.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Should I.

[Erickson]

That's a lot of money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Would you call somebody makes 300,000 wealthy, though? No, that just feels like us.

[Bender]

You're not even rich.

[Erickson]

Depending on where you live.

[Joe Button]

We always.

[Erickson]

Depending on where you live. You're kind of rich anyway.

[Joe Button]

Well, in the dictionary, rich. Rich and wealthy kind of are synonymous.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

But I think a lot of us were raised to believe that wealth is greater than.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like it's intergenerational.

[Bender]

Like, it's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how I think about wealth. As opposed to rich.

[Ice]

Chris Rock joke.

[Joe Button]

And then there's nigger rich.

[Bender]

Oh, true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right. Now that we all are. Just look at our feet.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Because rich, you can have rich.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You could.

[Joe Button]

Rich. When I hear rich, I think money. When I hear wealth, I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

And that's the difference. Yeah. Wealth are. You have other things that are of wealth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

That can affect your lineage. Generational. More.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Past rich.

[Bender]

See, that's how I look at.

[Joe Button]

Rich is.

[Ice]

Rich is still income. Income focused, lifestyle dependent, whereas wealthy is asset focused and lifestyle dependent.

[Joe Button]

Where'd you read that from, Oxford? AI, where's that at?

[Ice]

No, I just Google searched wealthy.

[Joe Button]

12 grand to 25 grand. I don't want this to drag. Lifestyle is no longer the constraint. Focus shifts to structure and efficiency. Taxes and decisions matter more. Money becomes strategic.

[Bender]

Yes.

[Freeze]

Should.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Y' all don't give a about this shit. Rich. 25 grand to 80 grand a month. See, and this should be inspiring to some people out there. What, what, What I spent a lot of time on was the gaps, right. They went from 12 to 25 grand. 25 grand went to 80 grand.

[Ice]

Yeah. That's a big ass.

[Joe Button]

Income is no longer the focus. Preservation replaces accumulation. Control matters more than growth. This is where perspective changes. That makes sense.

[Ice]

Yeah. That make a lot of sense.

[Erickson]

I've been living like this.

[Ice]

I don't want to lose it.

[Bender]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

I got to go back.

[Joe Button]

Can't go back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Then the next jump is wild after this millionaire. 1 million to 2 million per year. Capital works harder than label than labor. Decisions matter more than effort. Risk becomes asymmetric. I love that one. Money is an operating system.

[Ice]

Should be.

[Joe Button]

At this point, they're not even calling it money anymore. Yeah, capital, Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's highly dependent on how you make your money.

[Ice]

Good point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I'm all labor, damn near.

[Bender]

That's a good point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, every dollar I make, I don't have money that just comes in. Every dollar I make is still labor focused. You know what I'm saying? I think for a lot of athletes, for a lot of Arthur artists is still labor focused. You know what I mean? I think for people who work in other industries or who have investments or. I mean, I think that's generally true, but I think particularly for people who like us, who either come from poverty or lower middle class backgrounds or people who ascend through the arts or sports, I think that's different. At least at the beginning stage. I think you still eat what you kill, unfortunately.

[Bender]

And that's like, I'm not even talking about myself, but when I talk to people that diversification is so important because you never know when you're gonna blow your knee out. You never know when this gonna happen. You never know when that's gonna happen. So when I talk to people, I've even told you like, yo, dog, you gotta start putting money in other places so that if you do happen to lose your job, like when you lost your job. Yeah, you was fucked up, you know what I'm saying? So when you do lose your job, bro, you've made enough money that you could put some shit in play. That when nobody's controlling and somebody controls how you eat, they control, control the ability to starve you. And so we got to start thinking about some of that. When we start getting a level of income to put it in other places that make more money for us, you gotta make that money work. And that's what they saying in that. I think all of that is poignant.

[Joe Button]

I think it's. Yeah, I think it's brilliant.

[Bender]

I think the numbers are off again. A lot of is regional. So here, if you make $300,000 here, you still busting your ass, you still are in the rat race, and you still mentally are running around this bitch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

With your head cut off and don't have a kid.

[Bender]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One kid fucks this whole thing up.

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Especially on the first. The first half of that scale. Mm. You imagine making. Because a lot of people who make the 1500amonth for the 3000amonth have one and two kids.

[Bender]

If you make $6,000, seven, $8,000 a month and you got children, it's hard to survive in New Jersey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Especially in New Jersey.

[Joe Button]

The next slide jumps from 2 million to 30 million.

[Erickson]

I wouldn't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So just how does it feel yearly?

[Erickson]

Tell us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell us, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Income and net worth. Decouple structure dominates outcomes. Optionality replaces urgency. Wealth is about positioning, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That optionality urgency thing.

[Bender]

No, the decoupling of the decoupling of the income in the world is big.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Big.

[Bender]

That is big.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you. Did you feel seen?

[Joe Button]

I didn't do that to you. When yours came up, hours came up. Yeah, but they didn't play with me like that. You did. So I'm talking to you.

[Bender]

No, the dope part for you, I.

[Joe Button]

Would assume, and this is not mine.

[Bender]

No, I'm saying the dope part for you is I would assume you can identify what mostly all of those levels, which is fire.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Ice]

You get what I'm saying?

[Bender]

All of them you can identify with.

[Joe Button]

No, there are slides after that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, Oh, I meant all the ones precede. Got you, got you, got you. That's far.

[Joe Button]

The next one is ultra rich. 30 million to 1 billion per year. Wealth preservation is greater than growth. Systems manage complexity. Time and influence matter more than returns. Capital becomes infrastructure. And the Last one is one bill to 2 billion plus per year. And per year is. Yeah.

[Bender]

Just got a picture of a dick.

[Joe Button]

I didn't want to get sick. Just got a picture dick on the table like, yo. I thought that could be helpful to some people out there, especially after that homeless conversation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But it actually gave me perspective on. Cause the thing about how desperate I would feel at the 1500, you know, and to think that that brother out there would probably kill to have 1,500amonth coming in right now.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That gives a lot of perspective.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Bender]

You piece of dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't do it. Donnie got Insurance.

[Joe Button]

Like, were y' all one of the dudes that before you gave money to the homeless, you needed to know what they were doing with it first?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I always hated that show.

[Joe Button]

Never.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hated that shit.

[Joe Button]

You just got to check the room.

[Erickson]

No, this a brother.

[Bender]

Listen to me.

[Joe Button]

God.

[Bender]

You can say whatever you want. I'll buy you something to eat. Yeah, when I say I've bought like the convenience store, buy it out. 60, $80 worth of.

[Joe Button]

Where was I?

[Bender]

Sleeping on the bread. But I was in the street before, so I'm not. I'm not contributing to your drug habit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you literally were selling the drugs.

[Bender]

Which is why I have an opposite side of perspective. Like I'm not giving you money to go get highway.

[Ice]

I'm just not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's my. Here's my. I'm not telling you what to do with your money. But here's why I see it different.

[Erickson]

Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As somebody who's been in the drug game, as someone who's been in the drug game, I'm assuming crack. Just because you know that's racist. No, no, because of the era we came up in. We came up in the crack era, right? So if you didn't sell crack, you knew people who sold crack, right? Or heron or heroin. Either one crack, heroin.

[Freeze]

You sold stes, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a stereotype.

[Ice]

He sold nicks, man, Weed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Based on what he said before on the show, it seemed like he was selling strong.

[Joe Button]

He wasn't a big time deal.

[Ice]

Why you put.

[Joe Button]

He wasn't. That's where the confusion is happening. Yo, he didn't have work a plug weight, like small, small micro dosing, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, here's what my point is. If you were in the game, even if you didn't sell crack or heroin, but you knew people who did, right? You know people who buy crack, People who buy cracking heroin gonna get cracking heroin whether you give it to em or not. So for me, the money that I give that person who might buy drugs with it, yeah, I'd rather they buy a sandwich with it. But I might be stopping them from knocking somebody in the head to get that cracker heroin. Cause they gonna get it either way. I'm saving your tv, your car, my house, you know what I'm saying? To me, that's how I look at it. That's why I don't care. It's not that I'd want them to do the drugs. I just feel like they're gonna get the. The drugs anyway.

[Erickson]

Get you a little crack sandwich, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Now they ain't got now they ain't got to suck dick to get it now. They ain't got to. You get what I'm saying?

[Erickson]

Although that could be.

[Joe Button]

You know and he did that. Not that I'm talking about. I'm talking about was on the receiving end of the crackhead giving Well I know that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why you said that on the show the first.

[Bender]

This is what I'm.

[Ice]

All right. We going.

[Bender]

We going to use your crack analogy. You know, people that use crack got to get high. Like.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like people.

[Bender]

So even if I give you. If I give you $5 or if I give you $2, you still about to be back sucking dick or you still about to be back robbing Less.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Give her a break. Give her a day off.

[Joe Button]

God Damn.

[Freeze]

Give him 20 minutes.

[Joe Button]

Relax your jaw for.

[Freeze]

To clean up their conscience by doing that. Right. Like I'm not contribute to your drug habit but I'll buy you some food. So you just trying to clean up your consciousness and what you did before.

[Bender]

I'm trying to preserve my money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Five minutes. You want to buy sandwich.

[Bender]

That's not true. That's my bread. I'm not giving you money to give to another drug dealer. I'm going to buy you some food.

[Erickson]

That's what if they buy drugs from you?

[Joe Button]

They. You give them money, come back around.

[Erickson]

And then they come back around buy.

[Ice]

Some drugs off you.

[Bender]

I don't sell drugs.

[Ice]

One back when you did number two.

[Bender]

I might as well have just took a short on whatever I was selling.

[Erickson]

Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

I spent $80 in the give a.

[Erickson]

Little business card with the donation.

[Joe Button]

Okay. What else. What else needs our. What else needs our attention Here up here.

[Ice]

Vicious.

[Joe Button]

Listen, some people are kind, some people are not. Yeah.

[Freeze]

It's a fact.

[Joe Button]

I know who to avoid if I ever get homeless. You can't come ass mark. Remember me? John $1.

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

I'm Joe Button.

[Bender]

Remember I'm.

[Ice]

I'm.

[Joe Button]

I ain't doing.

[Freeze]

That's crazy Joe.

[Joe Button]

God damn. Would y' all like to discuss Jim Jones and Jim Jones the day and night debacle.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we need to start Jim Jones.

[Joe Button]

Jim Jones Kid Cudi in the day and night debacle. This should go fast ass. We gotta add to get to but in the event it doesn't. I'll do like that old. When Rockefeller went to Hot 97. No commercial. Why did I think that was the flyest thing ever when it happened? Like just not understanding the business of radio and commercials at all. Right. When he was like I'm paying for them. Ain't no commercials. Like, damn whole paying for it.

[Freeze]

That's just fire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's kind of fire in the moment. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Oh, gave them $2500. When I was young, I didn't know the importance, the impact of $2,500. That's all it was. HOV gave them 900 and said, Keep rapping, young prince. Free. It's your turn.

[Freeze]

It's your turn, Free.

[Joe Button]

Hov might have gave him the promise and then walk out on them. Yeah, no, you know, he did, like, did me at the strip club. Oh.

[Freeze]

What happened?

[Ice]

What?

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. Okay, cross that out. Cross that out, too. Hell, yeah. Yeah, but that's just. That's OG tax. That's OG tax. Yeah, that's OG tax.

[Erickson]

Back in.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Antoine, wait. You. You full of surprises today, bro.

[Freeze]

What are you talking about?

[Bender]

Yo, it's.

[Joe Button]

Are we recording?

[Erickson]

We are.

[Joe Button]

Me and you have been through this a million times before. What if we at the strip club? Come on. You know how it is at the strip club. And in 2026, I'm off that strip club. Assets, not like liabilities.

[Erickson]

I don't know how thick she is.

[Joe Button]

My future wife is thick, man. Ain't nothing there for me.

[Ice]

Oh, all right.

[Joe Button]

Ain't nothing there for me. This dog. But when we used to be up in there, you know, I mean, running around, what's this?

[Erickson]

Dry youry over. I'm hitting you on a Friday.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Sometimes when your man go to the atm, ain't shaking out right. Sometimes your man go trying to. To bop the card ain't working out right now. Big F's got to come back. Look, try to get them cards off. Try to get this off.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So then you go to your man. Yo, I hold it down. I give it to you. That. That. That happens, man. You've done it a bunch.

[Bender]

That ain't your man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, we hospitality different than our. I guess. Yeah, we hospitality.

[Bender]

Oh, you took them out and you rich. So it's a difference.

[Joe Button]

We hospitality.

[Bender]

I ain't rich.

[Erickson]

Depends on how much went up in the air that night.

[Bender]

It don't matter when you're rich.

[Joe Button]

We're talking short stacks. Like, short stacks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you got to eat that.

[Bender]

Everybody, pancakes is different.

[Ice]

Some dollars off this.

[Bender]

Some out here eating toast is.

[Joe Button]

You talk about y' all would eat the short stack.

[Bender]

I would forget for him, I would.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Jim Jones can't cut it. Can this be fast? It's just really Jim Jones happening.

[Ice]

Shouldn't be Happening.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's tell the audience what happens.

[Joe Button]

Jim Jones went on the podcast and said what he's been saying, which is, I made Kid Cudi. Nobody gave a about him. Nobody would know him if it wasn't for me hopping on day and night and getting it hot. Which led to him getting a deal.

[Ice]

And yada yada yada.

[Joe Button]

And Kid Cuddy. Everybody woke up one morning, got on the Internet. I love when y' all get on the Internet and do this shit. Got on the Internet, replied to Jim Jones and was like, with all due respect, Jim is the OG yada yada. But you didn't make me. You're not responsible for me. My record was bubbling already. I was already in talks with Kanye. I was about to get my deal. A bunch of things was happening. Maybe you didn't know, but I was somebody already. Which has caused the Internet and those with WI fi to argue back and forth. And people from different eras in hip hop and different regions. And regions. It's not. It's both because you have younger people that in the life. Who gives a fuck about all of that? We don't. I just heard this gym shit yesterday for the first time. I know Kid Cudi. You have younger people and then you have the New Yorkers. Yeah.

[Erickson]

As someone who was living in New York at the time and.

[Joe Button]

And.

[Erickson]

I was a fan of both parties involved. I heard day and night before Jim Jones got on it. I don't even know if I've heard the Jim Jones freestyle in full, honestly, to this day.

[Ice]

That's what I was saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, nah, I was outside. I was in New York.

[Freeze]

In New York. No, in New York.

[Ice]

We heard. I was in New York.

[Freeze]

The Jim Jones.

[Erickson]

I was in New York. I was a grown up in New York.

[Freeze]

I heard the Jim Jones shit a lot on radio, day and night.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I heard the original put like this. I knew about the original before I knew about the rehab.

[Joe Button]

Same.

[Freeze]

Got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The joint. I do think New Yorkers feel much stronger about this point than outside. Cause when I see a lot of. And I think it is generational, but I think a lot of the people I'm hearing defending. If it's something to defend the Cudi perspective, they're way outside of New York and they're like, jim is crazy. I don't think Jim is crazy.

[Erickson]

He's not crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just think he's overestimating the impact of it.

[Ice]

Back in the day, if Jim would have just said New York streets. Yeah. His statement is fact.

[Freeze]

And radio is extremely Important.

[Ice]

That's the only. That's the difference. That's where the mess up is. That's where the miscommunication happens. Because you say I made Kid Cudi. You did not make Kid Kid Cudi. No, but if you say I made him where the New York streets were listening to him, that's fair. That's fair. And that's a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Bender]

Is it really?

[Ice]

Yes. They wasn't like.

[Joe Button]

Like, on the total other side of this.

[Bender]

Let me ask you a question.

[Joe Button]

So total other side.

[Bender]

And I remember that song. That's when we used to be in Jersey Girls every day.

[Ice]

I love that record.

[Bender]

Me too.

[Ice]

I love both.

[Bender]

But if Jim don't jump on that song, there's no guarantee that song still don't filter throughout the straight streets in New York.

[Erickson]

It was already filtering in the streets of New York.

[Ice]

So what I'm saying is when I say the streets, I'm talking about the.

[Freeze]

I don't think so.

[Ice]

Fans of Jim Jones.

[Freeze]

I don't think it was filtering, man. I remember radio. Radio was extremely important back then. I remember turning on the radio and hearing Jim Jones version of Day and Night played consistently.

[Joe Button]

Day and night.

[Freeze]

That's it.

[Joe Button]

That's how many times in the day.

[Freeze]

In the morning, and in the nighttime, overnight, they played.

[Joe Button]

It was quick version at least 10 million times before I knew somebody else was on this record. And then I might have heard the Crookers mix before I heard Kid Cudi on this is the edm. Yeah.

[Ice]

So that was.

[Erickson]

That was a big remix.

[Freeze]

That was.

[Joe Button]

But. But the other regions, you know, in some of these conversations, I smell the jealousy on some of you other regions. Let me just say that y' all be trying to have one conversation and the jealousy start wreaking off you or the chip you got on your shoulder for New York, inventing hip hop or being arrogant and smug when it comes to hip hop. Like. And this is one of those talks.

[Erickson]

That's fair.

[Joe Button]

This is one of those talks.

[Ice]

I'm on the other side of that, too.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead.

[Bender]

No, I think Jim. I think Cudi benefited greatly from Jim jumping on the song.

[Erickson]

Greatly might be a stretch, but he benefited for sure.

[Ice]

That songs in New York.

[Bender]

Fish grease. What I'm saying, though, is it's no.

[Joe Button]

Game, not New York.

[Ice]

Why you keep saying that? Because that, bro, outside of New York.

[Joe Button]

You always on the.

[Ice]

No, no, we're not doing. We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that today. Because I love New York too, but I love hip hop. Stop, Mark. I love hip hop.

[Bender]

I'm trying.

[Ice]

We trying to have a real discussion I love hip hop and say that.

[Joe Button]

A lot of your opinions.

[Ice]

I'm not New York bike biased. And then because I'm not New York biased, you take it to say anti New York. There's a difference.

[Freeze]

Okay.

[Ice]

I am not New York biased. A lot of times y' all be New York biased.

[Joe Button]

Where.

[Ice]

If New York is in it, then it's automatically New York is up here. That's fine. But we're not talking about the start of hip hop. Hip hop has moved on for years. We just celebrated a 50. So we're not talking about the start of hip hop anymore.

[Freeze]

We just talk about why. Why we biased and why.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why we both die.

[Ice]

I understand that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because it's home.

[Joe Button]

I think people should be biased to where they're from. And not just that. I do.

[Bender]

Even with. With that particular song, with that particular song, you can't necessarily say it helped it in New York, but it didn't help in the worlds because you don't travel enough to see if it was buzzing somewhere else. With the gym verse, you don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I.

[Ice]

Okay, go ahead.

[Bender]

You don't know if it helped it in Atlanta. You don't know if it helped it in this region or this region or this region because you wasn't traveling and outside in these spots to see if. When the gym. I mean, when. When the song came on, they was rocking the gym version. We only know because we are cemented in New York City. So we know what it did here. Not saying it did or didn't. I was giving a.

[Joe Button]

In addition, I'm saying it did.

[Ice]

It helped, bro. It helped.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying that when that record was on Hot 97 playing the way it was playing literally day and night, I don't know if Jim had a relationship up there. But all day long, when that record came on, on those are spins. True. Which is that that led to that record being in heavy rotation in New York in the biggest market. So you can't just say New York when every PD in the nation is looking to see how many spins a certain record.

[Ice]

What made Jim get on the record in New York? Obviously you heard a song that must have been doing something somewhere.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying it wasn't.

[Ice]

So what I'm trying to say, and to your point about the travel, this is the blog era. When this record comes out now we have the Internet. This is not just local radio. This is not just regional radio anymore. This is one of the premier blog Record like songs. So I mean blog era. Excuse me, Blog era songs. Now you. You're getting music from all over. You can see what's. Yo, this will be without here. You can. The Internet made the world fit in the palm of your hand. It ain't no more. You only know what's happening in New York. You only know what's happening down south. You only know what's happening on the West.

[Joe Button]

There's a crew of y' all that overstate the blog. Blog era too.

[Bender]

Not just.

[Ice]

There's a crew of y' all that downplay the blog.

[Joe Button]

When this moment we talking about blogs was still very much niche. They wasn't the over compensating, the overarching.

[Ice]

Bro. What years of the blog ever to you?

[Joe Button]

What years are the blog?

[Ice]

What's the peak?

[Bender]

That song was out when we first started going.

[Ice]

It was peak blog era.

[Bender]

I remember that.

[Erickson]

This is still kind of MySpace error.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we're talking about oh, eight friends.

[Bender]

Bro.

[Ice]

I'm talking about the Internet. When I say blog ever, I mean the Internet.

[Bender]

But that's.

[Freeze]

But.

[Ice]

What I'm telling you that it.

[Bender]

Still don't give you the ability to test how the temperature of a song in other regions.

[Ice]

If you're talking to people in other regions and they letting you know what's popping out there, guess what? You can hear what's going on this record in other regions.

[Erickson]

By the way, I know he's from Cleveland, but this record was produced produced in Brooklyn. He was living in New York.

[Bender]

Popping in New York. Yeah, but you saying that on the blogs you can hear from other was popping in other places. Which means this song is popping in other places.

[Ice]

That's what I'm saying. Ish. That is popping in other places. It's not popping. What I say is Jim made that.

[Bender]

Song pop in New York Streets.

[Ice]

I'm talking about Jim Jones has a fan base of who don't really give a fuck called this is back when it was the Internet versus the streets. Didn't really give a what was happening on the Internet. Didn't care about none of that. Jim made it acceptable for the who did not with the Internet to with this song.

[Erickson]

That's fair.

[Ice]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[Bender]

Yeah, but you said something I got a problem with.

[Joe Button]

I got a problem with everything.

[Bender]

Ice is saying something different before in.

[Joe Button]

This time capsule that we talking about. Jim is the hottest thing moving.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

In 2008. It's not some street rapper hopped on some and now the street. You keep trying to minimal minimize.

[Bender]

This is balling, pop, champagne, all like, yo, Jim is on fire.

[Joe Button]

And I'm not trying to take away from nothing. Cuddy did. And I still disagree with Jim. I don't think he made Cuddy again playing. Pat was running around, was running around, working, working Cuddy and over here. So I disagree with that. But anybody that is going to come add two, three, four, five thousand, fifty thousand, a hundred thousand spins to your bds. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Helps.

[Joe Button]

That's not regional help. That's not regional help.

[Ice]

My initial.

[Joe Button]

That's not New York City help.

[Erickson]

Yeah, you're talking about radio industry business. And you're correct in that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's all I'm talking about.

[Ice]

And all I'm talking about is you didn't make this dude, you didn't make this song.

[Joe Button]

No, I agree.

[Ice]

That was my whole point.

[Joe Button]

I agree with you. He did not.

[Bender]

He did not.

[Erickson]

I think we're all in agreement on that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nice and easy.

[Ice]

Yeah, nice and easy.

[Joe Button]

Shut up, Mark.

[Ice]

Now what time is it?

[Joe Button]

It's time for my favorite part of the show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Prize picks.

[Joe Button]

Alright, this episode is brought to you by Prizepix. Whether you're starting a new routine or making player picks for the very first time, trying something new can be hard. But in life and on prize picks, it always feels good to be right. With high pressure playoff matchups every weekend and elite hoops action almost every night, the action never stops and prize picks let you take control. Prize picks is really easy to play. All you have to do is select two or more players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big. Prizepix now has early payouts, so if your player gets off to a hot start, you now have the option to cash out those winnings before the game even finishes. And looks like our good brother Ish put out a good ticket last week.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Week.

[Joe Button]

Winning ticket five out of six.

[Ice]

It's the Joe initiative.

[Joe Button]

Five out of six. So this week I bring to you the Joe and Ish picks of the week. If my boy gonna start winning again, then I gotta ride that coattail.

[Ice]

Oh my God.

[Joe Button]

I gotta ride that coattail.

[Ice]

So why can't we the Ishan Joe then, huh? Why can't be the Ish and Joe picks?

[Joe Button]

Well, you get more for the beat. When Dre put his name on, you get the charge.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Joe Button]

Remember that gig? I'm sorry. Sorry. Danger Hands.

[Erickson]

That was Timberland.

[Ice]

That was Tim.

[Joe Button]

But every producer kept one.

[Erickson]

Not everyone, but a lot of them.

[Joe Button]

You got somebody in a room somewhere I don't look.

[Erickson]

I don't.

[Joe Button]

Would you do it?

[Erickson]

No, I would credit the person.

[Ice]

I believe Parks are. That's the funny. I believe Parks.

[Bender]

I believe Parks.

[Joe Button]

How big would the font be?

[Erickson]

The same as mine.

[Ice]

I believe him.

[Joe Button]

Y' all believe them? Yeah, I believe.

[Ice]

I do. I believe him.

[Joe Button]

I believe him too. I think. I think. I believe.

[Freeze]

You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't be on the opposite of that. That though.

[Joe Button]

You wouldn't.

[Freeze]

Unless. And if you do, we have to look at the other things.

[Joe Button]

No, I'm down with give credit credit.

[Erickson]

What did they do that's important?

[Joe Button]

What? I ain't just crediting. That's just in the studio, that was hot. If somebody you had to contribute to the making of the record.

[Freeze]

So you write in the hook and somebody give you just a word to the hook.

[Joe Button]

Just a word. Oh, Deuces. Sorry, but. Well, who gave me the word? Was it Usher?

[Freeze]

No. Joe in.

[Ice]

It was Ice.

[Joe Button]

It was Ice like I did on some other records. If it was Ice, he's ice.

[Freeze]

The word became he told the truth.

[Joe Button]

Fact. Credit you talking about. Oh, that just became cool. Giving their credit. Remember I was looking for my deal in the 90s? Yeah, it was.

[Erickson]

And to be fair, is Ice tried to rap.

[Ice]

No, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

So why am I giving Ice the credit for his little word? And his word was probably some bullshit too.

[Freeze]

No, no.

[Joe Button]

Echelon or something. What was your word?

[Erickson]

You can't rap echelons in a hook.

[Ice]

The good rap was good in a hook.

[Erickson]

No, you was no echelon in a hook.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Joe Button]

The Joe and ish picks of the week. Echelon. The hook is so trash. That's super trash, actually. That's so trash. Nah. N. No, you can't make it hot. No, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think.

[Ice]

I think go the right person.

[Joe Button]

That's part of being a rapper is learning what words just sound pleasing to the ear, like to hear and listen to. And there some words that just don't I came in on.

[Erickson]

Especially in a hook.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, in a chorus. Chorus is not the time dictionary.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Time.

[Joe Button]

Reparations is another word I don't want to hear in the chorus. Chorus. I can make a list.

[Freeze]

Nobody puts.

[Ice]

That's what I thought.

[Joe Button]

If you give me a pen and pass Kendrick then put reparations in the all right. Chorus like you did. No, he didn't. I'm saying there's certain. You just not put in the hook.

[Ice]

Echelon is in the hook of a song that Is a smash. What's on what's upper echelon?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was thinking that, but yeah, that's what I'm like.

[Ice]

I'm like, ain't that in that hook and that record?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That record goes.

[Freeze]

What's all that?

[Ice]

Travis Scott. And it goes.

[Joe Button]

Goes.

[Freeze]

How we go?

[Ice]

I know you don't know them, but it goes. They'll let you know.

[Freeze]

Don't do that.

[Joe Button]

Don't do that.

[Ice]

You can do it.

[Joe Button]

Don't do it. Go ahead.

[Freeze]

You gotta do it.

[Joe Button]

See, this is the difference between me and Freeze. He'll be a Travis Scott and a clip. That ain't me.

[Ice]

How that ain't me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just a clip.

[Joe Button]

That ain't me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just a clip.

[Joe Button]

I'm riding with the. I'm a clip. I'm a clip. That mean the other side. That means the other side got you. I don't know no Travis Gunn songs, nigga. Except sickle mode.

[Bender]

That's just cuz you a Drake.

[Ice]

But ain't you tde?

[Joe Button]

I'm a Drake or you a Drake?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Freeze]

They found the picture is by the.

[Joe Button]

NASCAR with a ovo. With the ovo shirt.

[Bender]

That was a ovo shirt.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

The O is it. We got him.

[Joe Button]

He's so mad that he in ovo.

[Bender]

How I'm not in ovo.

[Joe Button]

You are you the other vaginal option? Yeah. All of this is a prize picks ad the Joe and ish picture of the week. Drake May is where you dropped the ball last week. Here you go, back at it. Drake May for more than 225 passing yards. Hey, that's gonna be a skip for me. They bought Hago. Tear his ass up.

[Bender]

Hagon had no choice but to pass him out.

[Joe Button]

That defense. Yeah, he is in for a rude awakening. Sorry, buddy. Trayvon Henderson for more than 17 rushing yards. He ain't gonna get the ball enough to get 17 rushing yards.

[Ice]

That one. That one I will play.

[Joe Button]

He can't. He can't beat up Stevenson. If they shoot the one if Steven.

[Bender]

That's why he only getting 17.

[Joe Button]

If Stevenson get mad on that sideline. Yo, don't get him the ball no more. He's done. Young boy, go wash my car. Oh, and you've got Stevenson on it. Ranj Stevenson for more than 15 carries. That's a goal. Stefan diggs for more than 44 receiving yards. That's definitely a goal.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's definitely.

[Joe Button]

That's definitely a go. Don't forget, if you download the app right this very second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks where it's good to be. Right. All right, all right, all right, all right.

[Erickson]

Them picks ain't gonna come through for a couple weeks now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

2.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we gonna make some more picks. We gonna make some more picks. I'm gonna give my card in on some. I'm. I'm doing the card for all the coin flip. Oh, yeah. Who scores first? Gatorade.

[Ice]

Gatorade. Color.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. All of that. I'm doing all of that. Okay. This would be a good time to talk football, but no. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna say.

[Joe Button]

Nah, no, don't. Don't disturb this groove. Don't disturb this groove. With worst take. Worst take will come later.

[Ice]

Later.

[Joe Button]

Hey, stick around if you want to hear our predictions. You want to hear who we got winning the game? All right, where were we?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a SAP. I'm a complete SAP. A sucker.

[Joe Button]

I fought whatever early in the Broadway.

[Freeze]

Don't say that word now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sucker with a hard R. Okay, okay.

[Joe Button]

Why you a SAP?

[Bender]

That's the worst.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but it's different. It's not. Anyway.

[Joe Button]

What is this hat?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You guys, I am. I am believing Kanye West. He put out a statement in the Wall Street Journal apologizing. And I know everybody says he's full of shit and he's just trying to sell another product. And I know he's apologized before, and maybe this is why I lived in a cult, I don't know. But I believe I'm all in.

[Erickson]

I kind of am, too. I like it. I like it.

[Freeze]

I like accountability. Same and given reason.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It felt different this time.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Bender]

It did. I think he went a little bit more in depth.

[Joe Button]

Are y' all related to this?

[Bender]

I'm just trying to find my words. I think. Think that when your back hit the wall and you start looking at the. That you did wrong and it's a self reflection thing there, but I don't like that you. You put it on something else. You get what I'm saying? Like, if he was still in the billions and still rising to the top, would he have the same stance? And I don't know if that.

[Ice]

I would say if your family.

[Freeze]

This is themselves from you and all that shit, maybe what stood out?

[Joe Button]

What made this apology different for you guys? It's really long. I was gonna.

[Ice]

But you should.

[Joe Button]

It's long. It is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's pretty long. I think 1. It was a unqualified apology to me. He said what he did wrong. He acknowledged how he hurt People. And he talked about what he would do to make it better. For me, that's really important. He gave context for a long time. He's ducked the mental illness stuff, right? Or other people have ducked it for him. When I. When we point out, even on this show, you know he's dealing with mental illness, how do you know he got that? How do you know he got that he's dealing with mental illness?

[Ice]

What do you mean by he ducked it? I'm just curious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There were moments where he pretended that that wasn't the case, and then there were moments where he acknowledged certain pieces of it but attributed it to something else. More recently, he's been more honest and forthcoming about his mental illness. Here I think he went into the greatest depth, not just of acknowledging mental illness, talking about the car accident. The car accident, the roots of it, talking about his manic behavior, naming it, and talking about what the consequences and the symptoms are of those mental illness issues. For me, that was important because he was tying it together without making an excuse. He wasn't saying, like, it's not my fault. He was saying, here's what happened. Here's how I got into it, but here's how I doubled down on it.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because there's something compelling about that stuff. He wasn't asking. Asking everybody to forgive him. A lot of times, the apology, like, I apologize. I need y' all to get over it. Let's move on. He was saying, I don't expect that. I'm asking for patience. I'm asking for, you know, I'm growing. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm just letting y' all know that I know I fucked up. And not just the Jewish community, but also the black community.

[Joe Button]

That was the biggest difference for me is that he remembered he was black and spoke to some of the issues that he may have caused and the feelings he may have caused within the black. Black community in the past, that was like an afterthought or not even mentioned.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So, yeah, that was different for me. And the whole. You're right. The whole not really asking for change in how he's received, like, kind of understanding this is what it is, and this is a result of the damage I've done. That. That felt a little different.

[Bender]

The difference for me, like you said, was, again, he always was like, yo, I don't need medication. I don't need this. I don't need that. He came out and said, yo, I'm bipolar. You know what I'm saying? And he said during my manic States this can happen. That can happen. This can happen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I read that before you. Just before you finish? I think it was important. He said you describing the state you're talking about. He said you feel like you're seeing the world more clearly than ever. When in reality you're losing your grip entirely. The scariest thing about this disorder is how persuasive it is when it tells you you don't need help. It makes you blind but convinced you have inside insight. You feel powerful, certain, unstoppable. I lost touch with reality. That to me was Kanye. The last few years in a nutshell.

[Ice]

I don't want to be insensitive.

[Bender]

It's a Jay Z line that said my mom was fine to the doe hit it and told me that the mo did it. I think this nigga's power. I think this nigga's movie.

[Joe Button]

What that line mean.

[Bender]

Niggas will blame it on the liquor. It really be the bread. And I think no, no. Cause some people might not. I think that this nigga's money and power had him seeing like all of you people are expendable. And I don't need y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Bender]

Cause I'm up here. And I think when you get knocked down, even though. However you come to the realization, it's still a blessing. I think that when you get knocked down sometimes and you get into your self reflective mode, the truth comes out and it becomes more apparent. So we can appreciate the truth. But I just don't know. If he never got his ass whipped, would he have been coming back down, apologizing to the black people.

[Joe Button]

Freeze was a break up some of this Kumbaya shit day on.

[Ice]

I ain't believe none of it, honestly. Really, it's just because I've seen this. Granted, not to this level, but it's just like the song and dance. I see him do this like you.

[Joe Button]

See.

[Ice]

You make your album cover. I hate being bipolar. It's all awesome. Like you, you're you. You playing with certain. Like I just see Kanye offend, apologize, sell. Offend, apologize, sell. So it's such a pattern that I just feel like we all right, we. We're back here again. And I will give them the fact that you said I don't expect everybody to. To accept the apology because I per. Personally, I'm on the side of the people that like, I just. This is you. I've seen this too many times to accept that this is you. It's going to take more than this to show the change. And this could Be step one. But you got to continue to do the work, and that ain't going to do it for me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that's what he said. I'm not asking for sympathy or a free pass. Though I aspire to earn your forgiveness. Earn your forgiveness. To me, that's important. I write today something to ask for your patience and understanding. As I find my way home. I throw is beautiful. Honestly.

[Joe Button]

Freeze. Do you feel like you have a lack of compassion?

[Ice]

Nah, I just. I just.

[Joe Button]

I don't. I don't just mean to call you. Just period. Like you Ice.

[Ice]

No, No, I don't think so at all. I just think that. I think a lot of times people be full of shit, bro. And I think a lot of people try to play on people being empathetic. So it's like, if I can appear sincere and if I can tug on the heartstrings a little bit, I could get you back on my side side. And especially when they've seen it work.

[Joe Button]

Me and you friends. You got the greatest heart in the world. When. Like, because. Because when I hear him talking, I mean, like, like the homeless topic. Like this topic. Yeah. And I'm just in this family. Come from the church. Ice got dropped off to school. I can't figure out why he came from.

[Freeze]

That's why.

[Joe Button]

Be on the other side of things.

[Ice]

I just believe that people will show you who they are. I think that a lot of people will get over if you allow them to. And I think that a lot of times niggas is real smart, bro. They know how to play the game. They know how to tug at the heartstrings and get you sympathetic just to sell you something. Like, hold on real quick. I just got another email yesterday with Kanye's store announcing new items. That matters to me. When I see this, like, they.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Ice]

You did all you did an entire email blast. Hey, look, we got all of this right here for sale. Every time your name trends, do you feel like.

[Freeze]

Do you feel like you having that look prevents you from seeing people for who they truly are? Because you automatically. It looked like you put people automatically in a box. If somebody does something, I heard a lot of times you say saying that they might be full of or. I don't accept that apology. Like, this is not the only stance. You the only time you took this stance. So can that thought prevent you from actually seeing somebody? Intent don't matter to you?

[Ice]

No, no. Intent matters, but we don't know their intent. You never know nobody's intent. So I give people that I treat people as. I don't know your intent. You could be full of shit or you could be perfectly honest. I judge you off your trap track record. So if you continually do this same thing, imma think this is you after some point.

[Joe Button]

Interesting.

[Erickson]

I like what the. The letter does for maybe people that are dealing with mania or bipolar disorders or any of the similar personality disorders, because it's pretty honest and outgoing, forthcoming, where he's saying, when you're in these episodes, you don't know that you're having an episode and you think everybody else is crazy for calling you crazy, but you're not. You're going to through something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Ice]

And that's what the depth.

[Erickson]

And I have friends have dealt with this and sometimes even champion some of the things that Kanye says. So I'm hoping that maybe seeing this will be like, oh, this might be an awakening point for them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Some.

[Joe Button]

Some folks I asked, like, for me reading that. I read the apology when I got all the way to the end, because it was. It was a little long. But when I got to the end, like, I had to sit with myself for a minute. Like, it wasn't even. It was no longer really about Khan, yet it was about me. And recognizing that I don't have a personal investment in the matter one way or the other, like, it's not. I'm not about to rack my brain with, are you lying? Are you being honest? Are you selling something? You have a track record. You did this. You went in TMZ and you did. Like, that list can be long. Long. I don't. No, not today. I'm praying for you, dog. Right. That's the extent of where I'm going with this.

[Ice]

Can both be true, though, what you.

[Joe Button]

Do with those prayers. No, I'm just talking about. I'm not really talking about sentiment. I'm talking about just, like, time. I refused to, like, even with this topic. I feel like we've done this at least 16 times. I feel like. So I've given it all the energy and effort. Effort. If you're healthy, I think that's wonderful for your children, for your family, for Kim, for your loved ones, the people that actually care about you, like, personally, greater than your artistic contributions. Yeah. And that's where I'm at with it. Like, if you're lying, then you're lying. Like, this is totally.

[Ice]

Yeah. Like, this ain't enough, but time will tell. Like, like, could I ask a question?

[Joe Button]

But it ain't going. But who would. Time is going to tell who. What are you Trying to convince.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause you're not gonna be invested.

[Joe Button]

The time ain't gonna tell me, but time is gonna tell him and his.

[Ice]

It'S gonna tell whoever he's trying to convince.

[Bender]

That's and you. You can't say. And again, I don't know if he's being sincere or genuine or not. I don't know. But you can all say that yo, he's putting out projects and n don't even remotely talk about the projects. Yeah him as an artist and as being one of the biggest artists we've ever seen in our lifetime. It GR greatest in our lifetime, not in this forever. Dog. That has to be having some effect on him saying yo dog, how did I get here? I remember when I would drop the world would stop for me. Now how did I get here? It's not even a whisper. So now it might put you in the closet to ISIS point to say.

[Ice]

Yo, let me write down some shit.

[Bender]

To win these niggas back. I don't know if that's the case. I'm just looking at it objectively.

[Ice]

Cause it's real quick. Why Wall Street? Wall Street Journal like I that's a question I asked. Of all the places to put this apology that I I this well written apology, why you go to Wall Street?

[Freeze]

Every people that he's trying to reach out to that he offended.

[Ice]

So I'm trying to get a message to certain again which goes back to intent. I can't speak for his intent but it you, you if you look at the whole. It could look away.

[Freeze]

But if he made.

[Ice]

I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get these business back on my side bro. I'm up out here. I'm trying to get the business world back fucking with me. So let me go over here where I know they're gonna see it.

[Erickson]

Campbell things be a little bit true though. Like they could. I said a bunch of really fucked up shit embracing the swastika, so on and so forth. That was wrong. And I would like to get my business back right. Like I think that's okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah I, I'm okay with the venue because I don't know where if you put in Variety if you want, I mean there's no place you could put it where people wouldn't have that same criticism you put in. New York Times did something. He paid for an ad in a major newspaper. I'm okay with that. If you picked the Washington Post, there's a right. I mean there's some politics attached to it. Some of these Outlets too. So I'm okay with that choice. Like, I think the best and most encouraging thing for me is that. And Joe's right, we've talked about this a bunch of times. But the last time we talked about it, there's been no more drama since this time. A lot of times Kanye apologizes, then does something fucked up, then he apologizes. When he apologized to those rabbis a couple months ago, we haven't heard anything bad again. And he hasn't been out on the scene a whole lot. To me, that also is encouraging. The fact that he kind of has been behind the scenes. I think he really might be doing that healing work. That for me is the most important thing. On just a slightly different note, but connected. I had a doctor on my show last night, a psychiatrist, a trauma psychiatrist. Because the thing I was trying to get a hold of is how, how authentic should we take his claim that the most racist and vile shit he said wasn't coming out of his heart, but simply was attributable to this accident. You know, and she said it's entirely possible that you could not be an anti Semite, that you could not be anti black, whatever the thing might be, and still say these awful things because of a mental illness. For sure. But I think that's important to know because I think one of the lingering thoughts a lot of people have is, all right, that might have been why you said it out loud, but you still said it. And I think it's important to. People don't understand how life altering and mind altering a mental illness can be. So I just think that's important for people to know. Again, I can't speak for Kanye. Cause I don't know him to know. But I think it's important for people to know that it is very, very, very, very possible. According to her, the thing I had.

[Erickson]

Questions about was the car accident. Whether that could happen. And I didn't really think about the like CTE and all that stuff. Like it's all false.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I asked her that. That too. Dr. Alana Curry is her name. I, I said, I said, could that have actually changed all this? She said any accident that can shatter your jaw will also move your brain around.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And anything that moves your brain around could absolutely change your, your mind. And then when you add other traumas, other situations, and maybe mental illness that you already had.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That that mixed together can lead somewhere really unexpected. So.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yo, I ain't gonna hold you. I just. For me, I'm putting celebrities in whatever box they supposed to be In. In my life, when the slaps get here, if the slaps is there, then that's when I'll be there. Outside of that, I hope the brother's doing well. I pray for him, but it's not really my business.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fair.

[Joe Button]

Fair.

[Freeze]

That's an interesting.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, when you pray.

[Freeze]

I don't like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead.

[Freeze]

I'm sorry. That's an interesting stance that you take.

[Ice]

Right.

[Freeze]

Because we all go and we would hope that people would be invested and want to understand us because that we're in the business of people pleasing. We were talking about that earlier. And when I mean people pleasing, I'm talking about, like, catering to the masses. So you would hope that if something happened, people could look at it like, that's not really him. He had a moment. So I'm invested in seeing his healing process, so I could still support him, you know, that's what I would. You know what I'm saying? I used to. So when you say certain things like that, like I'm not invested enough, it throws me off a little bit, which I respect and understand. But I would think that a person like you who was giving, who was caring, would want to see someone grow or would want to see the process of what's the next step for them, if you understand what I'm saying. I don't know if I.

[Joe Button]

You know, I'm not sure I'm all the way clear, but. I mean, am I sounding like I don't want him to be?

[Freeze]

Well, no, you do. But you say I'm not invested.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He wants you to be more invested in it. If you care that much about people, why aren't you more invested in his healing? Is that my reading? Yeah.

[Freeze]

Yeah, something. Yes, that's it.

[Joe Button]

But why would I be? Yeah, why would I be?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why wouldn't you?

[Freeze]

I mean, it's Kanye. I mean, you know, like, humanity as a human.

[Joe Button]

For me, everything really ain't for public consumption. 1. So once we start talking about mental health, physical health, and spiritual health, normally when that's not right, we come to learn that because someone's on the Internet not being right, like, that's where the public is seeing this. For others, that's time for your real family, friends, and loved ones to kick in. It ain't for a nigga that you don't know, a nigga that you was on a record label with. It ain't for. That connection doesn't exist for me.

[Ice]

What happens when you isolate. Isolate them and you don't have them loved ones around? That can kick in you kind of run. Where else can you go?

[Joe Button]

Well, I don't know.

[Freeze]

Gotcha.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. But Kanye has many people in his life that love him and care about him on a deeper level than his artistic contributions and what song he has and what, pardon me, clothing he has coming. Like, I'm not. I don't. That people, please point was interesting to me, and that would have been a great segue to do our conversation. But I think if you go run into the public for anything emotional, you playing a dangerous game.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I agree. That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm aware that people play that game. I'm not into that.

[Ice]

Me neither.

[Bender]

Yeah. Because I think it could definitely go either way. No, the odds are it's gonna go the other way, because the people online inherently, in my opinion, are mean. So if you looking for them for some sort of comfort or validation and they start cursing your ass out and calling you all types of names and shit, you could spiral out of control deeper into whatever abysmal state you're already in. I just think. Yeah, that's a dangerous game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Recently, picture Ray. Ray Rice and his wife. Yeah. Was going up, going viral, and Ray Rice is a junior varsity football coach at a high school. Him and his wife are still together, and they both are very active in the Baltimore community in terms of philanthropy and donating to abuse cases and yada. Abuse causes and yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

[Ice]

And he listens, does he? Yes.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. He told Michael Pinwell, ass up at that gym one time, going to them little YMCA gyms. You very careful. You don't know who in there balling. End up in there having a Garvey Rice, he's another one that came to the Internet and I gave thought, gave a really thoughtful and beautiful apology. He worked through. He did the work, he healed. He stayed with his wife. He. He fixed the issues afterthought. Yeah. Nobody cares.

[Ice]

Internet don't get.

[Joe Button]

People don't really care. Yo.

[Ice]

They don't. The Internet don't want you to get better. They don't want to forgive. Like, none of that, bro. We going to hold you to this right here. No matter what.

[Joe Button]

People don't really care. I think the sooner you learn that people don't care care, the better.

[Bender]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Button]

And I'm one of those people. Sorry.

[Freeze]

I think I got to learn that.

[Joe Button]

My wife.

[Freeze]

My wife tells me all the time, like, my.

[Joe Button]

My. My care is designated to those that I care about. I willingly and freely give it out to. That's at my discretion. But the difference, that's not just. That's these Stan hives running around with all of this other. And later when we talk about the neck, the other murder, and. And many Minneapolis. I do want to get at hip hop for a little bit. I do.

[Ice]

Look, you were saying you don't care. It's not that the Internet don't care. The Internet loves to demonize and villainize. So the people that don't care were just like, all right, well, whatever, keep it pushing. But then you got the other ones who just want to hold you right here. Like it don't matter how you. How you grow or how you do the work or how you apologize or how you try to make things better. But some people, it is never going to be enough. You did this, and this is it. And that's not not caring. That's actually giving a fuck.

[Joe Button]

Listen, I'm. I'm praying for him. I'm. I'm praying for him. That's what you get from me, Kanye. I hope. I hope that you mean your apology, and I hope everything goes well, but that's the extent of it there for me.

[Bender]

Huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go ask you, when you're praying for people, has Ray J entered your prayer list?

[Joe Button]

Why does virgin needed my prayer list? He. Oh, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So he announced yesterday that he almost died.

[Joe Button]

Did you see this story? No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, I think you put on the board. But he.

[Ice]

Oh, no, he was just.

[Freeze]

He.

[Ice]

His heart is beating at 25% now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

25%.

[Ice]

And he was saying, how bad is like, it got bad.

[Bender]

So he got congestive heart failure.

[Ice]

He didn't say the word, but he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Was just saying his heart, what he tweeted was. Or posted on Instagram was just almost died. I'm alive because of your prayers and support. Then he went on to sell some stuff or advertise the Tronics Net, but then said that he. That his heart was beating at 25%. And I think he had pneumonia at one point. I don't know what's true and what's not because it's Ray J. And so unfortunately, there's. Some people think he's crying wolf, but just wanted to say, just to be safe, send some prayers out for him and hope he's okay. And hopefully, hopefully just telling the brother to slow down and recover if he, if he's. If he's dealing with heart failure, because that's something you don't play with. You don't want to play with your heart.

[Ice]

It is no joke.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Freeze]

So, yeah, I just queue up.

[Joe Button]

Outstanding. You any other sad about somebody that's.

[Erickson]

I mean, Sly Dunbar, the legendary drummer from Sly and Robbie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Erickson]

Reggae legend crossed over into multiple genres. He passed away. I think he was 73, I want to say.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, rest in peace. Love you.

[Joe Button]

All right. I want to talk about Alex Hanold.

[Erickson]

Let's do it.

[Joe Button]

Let's talk about Alex Hanold. If you don't know Alex Hanold, hopefully I'm saying his name correctly. Alex Hanold is the guy that is that climbed that free scaled Taiwan 101.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Taiwan. The tape 101. Not Taiwan.

[Ice]

It was in Taiwan.

[Joe Button]

It was the tape 101. He climbed it. It was 6, 1600ft. Jesus.

[Freeze]

Tall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is he white?

[Joe Button]

1667Ft tall. He is white, but he's. Of course, he's a different type of white. I forgot he's French. Okay, He's French. He's French.

[Bender]

He's French.

[Joe Button]

He's one of the whites. Listen, I was unfamiliar with this guy. I saw a bunch of people saying, holy shit, what is this guy doing on Netflix? I turned it on, and it might have been one of the greatest things I think I've ever watched. And since then, he's been on my algorithm everywhere. And the things that he has done, the shape he's in, how he prepares for these things, how. How his brain processes or doesn't process fear. Like, that was really incredible. His wife was on, like, the 90th floor waving at him, cheering him on. Then it's even that part, right? Like, when you into this type of daredevil shit, like, getting your wife to be supportive in this word is absolutely nuts to me. And he did this with no string.

[Ice]

No harness, no parachute.

[Joe Button]

No, none of that. Just nothing. Just a rope tied around his belt loop with a little thing holding his powder for his hands.

[Ice]

That was.

[Erickson]

It makes me nervous even talking about it. I don't fuck with. I don't fuck with heights at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate taking photos on that balcony.

[Ice]

Nah, you got to understand the way this building look, though.

[Erickson]

I saw it.

[Ice]

It was. He had the little sculptures out. He had to climb around and little breaks in between. It wasn't just a straight shot.

[Joe Button]

I don't care what kind of shot was. Yeah, they not respecting my man, hold up, man.

[Alex Honnold]

Last time, most people were actually afraid, you know, like, when's the last time people faced actual fear, particularly physical danger, like anything where they could actually get hurt.

[Joe Button]

Listen to his brain.

[Alex Honnold]

I think that if you don't experience real fear from time to time you don't experience real danger and other things, then your mind just sort of creates fears out of nothing. I mean like I see that like when I travel, like when I'm in airports, I always hear people like stressing the travel experience, like, oh, what do we do with security? What do we do here? Like what if we missed the flight?

[Freeze]

What if?

[Alex Honnold]

And you're like chill, you're like, you know, you're in a climate controlled airport, there's food everywhere, there's abundance all around you, like whatever, like who cares? You know, like how could you get so worked up about things that do not matter? And so I think that the more real experiences you have with, with real fear, real danger, things like that, the less likely you are to to make mountains out of molehills, you know, to like to worry about the stuff that doesn't matter.

[Joe Button]

This guy is gained a fan out of me.

[Alex Honnold]

Well, frequently asked, how do you get down? And the answer is it depends. Generally I walk down, sometimes I down climb, sometimes I repel. I mean I have solo things where I carry the rope and rappel back down. But for the most part, most things that you free solo are big cliffs and you can hike off the backside. So you just climb up and then scramble on down the valley.

[Erickson]

Absolutely not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My heart is beating fast. I just hear him say that.

[Erickson]

Dead ass.

[Ice]

Privileged life.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Joe Button]

This guy might be the greatest athlete I ever seen. I'm drinking the milk. Pause the Kool Aid, the Kool Aid, the Kool Aid.

[Ice]

The glow wine.

[Joe Button]

Milk is quiet, he's white, so it's kool Aid.

[Freeze]

Something else.

[Bender]

It's almond milk.

[Freeze]

Oh, Kool aid from life.

[Joe Button]

I don't even see where your brain decides that this is something you want to experience.

[Erickson]

Dead ass.

[Bender]

No, you, you. It goes in levels, so he probably started doing smaller structures.

[Ice]

Did you see the movie?

[Bender]

And you start challenging yourself and challenging yourself and challenging. Challenging yourself.

[Ice]

Watch the movie. He got a movie called Free Solo. And he again, I was like, all right, this dude is bugging.

[Joe Button]

Sorry.

[Ice]

I watched because I saw the tweets about it. So let me just see what the hell is going on. So I watched it. I was like, all right, this dude, I watched it to see if maybe he would slip.

[Erickson]

This is a live stream of live stream.

[Joe Button]

Yep.

[Ice]

I even checked what time is it over there? Because it was a whole crowd on the street watching. They had a crew out there there and everything. But he, you know, he did that with no slips.

[Bender]

No.

[Ice]

Oh no, no, none of that. He smoked it. And I'm like, all right, this dude's bugging. So then they started telling me, go check out Free Solo.

[Erickson]

Okay?

[Ice]

He different.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Ice]

He climbed this like it's nothing.

[Freeze]

This little.

[Joe Button]

This little 1600 foot building was like him going to make coffee.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that was light work.

[Joe Button]

Like, once you go look him up. In 2010, he did a retro on site free soloing of the original route on the rainbow wall, which is 1,000ft. That's Red Rock, Nevada. Okay, 2012, he free solo. The west face. The west face, to my knowledge, he did this a few times. So free soloing the west face of El Capitan in Yosemite.

[Erickson]

Okay. I think I had the operating system.

[Joe Button]

That's not telling me how big this is. Is not telling me. Okay, 2012, on site free solo of la Fiesta de los Biceps in Spain.

[Erickson]

I didn't even know, like, how do these buildings, how are they climbable? It's all glass.

[Ice]

And like, that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like Spider Man.

[Ice]

It's a little. Just a little in between the glass. He grabbing, like. And then he dipped when he put.

[Joe Button]

When he put that little powder on his hands and get to climbing and moving. Sometimes he had to go to the. This was the scariest shit ever. Shout out to Netflix for even thinking to live stream something like this. I want to know what the liability was if this guy falls to his falls, face flat on the earth. Word. The talk is going around now about how he was underpaid. They gave him a half a mil.

[Erickson]

It's a nice day.

[Joe Button]

No, it ain't.

[Ice]

I saw somebody break that day down of how the business could get you right. All they could do is say, like, all right, you got the name. We offer you this. You. You want more? Because he said he wanted more money to do it. All right, cool. We'll go get Mr. No Name over here who will climb this building. But you want to do it with the whole Netflix and all of that. So either you take this deal or we're gonna get somebody else to do it. You can.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. You're not. I don't think the list is long.

[Bender]

I was about to say, of people.

[Joe Button]

That are gonna go just free solo. This 1600 foot building.

[Erickson]

Surprised.

[Ice]

You bugging.

[Joe Button]

All right, then we going to witness a death word.

[Ice]

Oh, yeah, we'll witness.

[Joe Button]

Then we go witness a death brain splatter all over the ground.

[Ice]

Hey, news flash. Guess what?

[Bender]

Fingers strong enough.

[Ice]

Check this out. And I hate to be that person.

[Joe Button]

You'Ve been that person topic, if that happened, it's.

[Ice]

That was tuning in to catch that.

[Joe Button]

That's not good press.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it's not good for the.

[Joe Button]

You don't want brains.

[Ice]

Cut the camera away.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I saw. I gotta get him out. I gotta figure. I ain't sound.

[Ice]

Yo, I'm great. All that daredevil shit. You don't think people watch to see if this shit goes left?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, but the company knows that it's not going to. They kind of have to bank on it never going left. It don't really work.

[Ice]

Like no insurance.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. You put your hand into a lion's mouth, you don't really want to pull back enough, you know what I mean, for tv, you know what I mean? Like some sick feet, you know what I'm saying? The fans do.

[Joe Button]

Yo, this guy was up there hanging like a bat. He wrapped his legs around one of the structures and leaned back and just leaned back to catch his breath.

[Ice]

Like, just. No, you heard the whole crowd down there erupt when they had, like.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ice]

This thing was bugging. Not a crazy, like Joe said, with the powder. Because he had the. On his back, so he holding on. He reached back with one hand. Hand get some powder, reach back with.

[Joe Button]

The other hand, get the powder after the shower. And I'm getting the powder, too. After the shower. When I get the powder, I'll be on some LeBron. Okay. Identify the moments where you feel like a superhero in your life. For me, that's one of them. Sorry.

[Bender]

When you pull a powder out your back pouch. Got you.

[Joe Button]

Listen, listen. Yo, I didn't even know I was into watching this. Me neither, is what I'm saying. Me neither. I could totally watch this.

[Ice]

I was glued.

[Joe Button]

Palm sweaty, fucking jaw dropped at the edge of the seat. This was incredible. Now they think it's an ad, but it's not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Netflix ain't.

[Joe Button]

Pay me.

[Erickson]

I'm gonna watch this.

[Ice]

I definitely think it's an ad, by the way.

[Joe Button]

Netflix, baby.

[Ice]

I'm just.

[Joe Button]

That's what Ian said when we was watching Pat McAfee. He was at my house, he was watching Pat McAfee. Talk about. About Alex Hanold. And Ian said, this is an ad. He's doing an ad. He's doing an ad integration. He's doing an ad integration. And I'm like, I don't think he is, because why would you want him to do the ad after the event?

[Erickson]

Yeah, you'd usually.

[Ice]

Well, now that's build up for the next one.

[Bender]

No, not just that. Yo, now you act like they stop making money after the event is over. Now I'mma bring a zillion eyes to the event.

[Freeze]

Oh, yeah, that's streamed.

[Ice]

It's a stream.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It's living there.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Could have been an ad. Well, this is not an ad. Make sure just though we perfectly clear. But I would like to get. But I would like to get a Netflix ad. There you go.

[Erickson]

Transparency.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There you go. There we go.

[Joe Button]

There we go.

[Freeze]

And we supporting them.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Freeze]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Yo, also speaking of Netflix, yo, I did turn on Netflix and check out a few pods.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

You knew I was gonna do it. It's in my kind of. That's my thing when I'm up at 5am I'm nosy.

[Erickson]

I was trying to, but Ren was hating.

[Joe Button]

I'm nosy.

[Erickson]

It's like, I don't want to watch the sports pod. I'm like, I just want to watch to see how it.

[Joe Button]

I gotta tell you guys, murder mystery this. Most of you sports pods out there look like complete bullshit on Netflix.

[Ice]

Damn. Some of them looks like they was on their phone.

[Joe Button]

Some of them were on their phones.

[Ice]

Some of this shit was like, yo, some of you holding a phone.

[Joe Button]

He was on a phone. Some of them were on a blurry. Yeah, zoom half screen. Some of y'.

[Ice]

All. This look bad, man.

[Joe Button]

Some of y' all with a production level ain't. Ain't right. This. It looks painful.

[Erickson]

Looks bad.

[Joe Button]

It looks really.

[Ice]

It looks bad.

[Joe Button]

And that's the thing about, like, your. Your psychology in terms of some of these social media on YouTube, that's 5 fine. Right? Right. On YouTube. I have no problem at all with your blurry lo fi. Yeah, it's fine on Netflix. Stuck out like a sore thumb. No, I'm sure now to some of the podcasts that are. Have pretty good production. Yeah. When I look, the Breakfast Club wasn't there yet. Rory wasn't there yet. I imagine that they'll look different, I'm sure, because they're not on a phone. But you phone on Netflix. Y' all look horrible, man.

[Ice]

Yeah, they did sports for the first week, and then I think it was Monday that the rest of the pods went on.

[Joe Button]

That gave me a whole new perspective on some of that. Them Netflix deals going around. I understand it now. Like Lethal Shooter said. Yeah, say more or.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Deal.

[Joe Button]

Your man Adam22 got beat up the other day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Day.

[Joe Button]

Oh, well, I don't know if he got beat up or he ran a play or both.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it was both.

[Erickson]

I think both.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he wanted to win. Did that bell.

[Joe Button]

Adam, 22, went to one of them boxing matches. Sorry, go ahead. One of them white nationalist boxing events that they throw over there. And he fought Jason Love, which is the guy that slept with his wife.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And he lost. Yeah.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I can't. I think that he's. They. He should be arrested for stalking this man. Like, if the nigga already done beat your girl down, plowed her out, gave her the best dick ever. See, I now we in a boxing match with the same black guy. We couldn't find another black guy.

[Ice]

I think something totally different.

[Joe Button]

You think that's the guy he should have wanted to pounce on?

[Ice]

They all in this shit together.

[Bender]

I think they made a shit ton of money from that and everything else. And we gonna milk this shit until.

[Ice]

No pun intended. Shorty sitting there playing along with it with her pre fight antics and stuff. All this shit is a play, Adam.

[Joe Button]

I think you ran a play. I also think that that's how you fight.

[Bender]

Agreed.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Two things could be true. Hey, if you was acting. Acting, I didn't think that varied too far from the real actual script of you throwing a punch. Sorry. Oh. Anyway, I don't know why y' all get all dumb in the face.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't look good. And it's like it made me wonder, but I don't. I don't know him, so I don't know how he normally fight, but. But it looked like he was. I mean, going into a fight that untrained. I just wonder why you would do that. Like how he would have thought he would have won.

[Freeze]

It was all part of the play, like they said.

[Joe Button]

And now we got a. And Lil Baby about to fight. Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What happened?

[Ice]

I don't think that's gonna happen either.

[Erickson]

That's definitely not gonna happen.

[Ice]

Yeah, it's not happening.

[Erickson]

So one of Lil Baby. This I'm just reading about.

[Joe Button]

To sound like old men with the T for sure.

[Erickson]

It was reported that one of Lil Baby's entourage members slap academics. And now academics is trying to fight Lil Baby. Yeah, I think I have that right.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Okay.

[Freeze]

Academic academics also stated that Lil Baby's team paid him 30,000 to not on his album.

[Joe Button]

To not trash his album, not shit on his album.

[Freeze]

And now act is saying he want 300,000. But apparently the reason why the kid got close to academics was through Til. So it was a whole thing with, you know, he let Tyler through walking up to his car.

[Joe Button]

And the guy that's AX version. Yeah.

[Freeze]

Axe version.

[Ice]

Yes.

[Erickson]

But why would you want to fight Lil Baby if his man is the one that assaulted you?

[Freeze]

He's saying that his man is not. He feel like Little Baby sent this man or co signed that. That's what he's saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Freeze]

He said you sent that to do that. Why would your man.

[Joe Button]

After we had somewhat. Had a phone call and had some peace, and I chilled. So I guess he feel like because we had peace. Little Baby, you were supposed to spread that to your goons. And it was supposed to be word going around. Oh. He also said that didn't happen. So his man came out to the car, did whatever he did. And this was last March, and it didn't hit the Internet, but now it's on the Internet. Internet from homeboy, Lil Baby's goon who did it. So he's saying now it's up with Lil Baby. Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, the part I saw, Axe said that he wasn't actually touched or he said dude didn't actually hit him. That he. So that's the two competing versions. Two. Dude said he smacked him. Ax said he didn't. He didn't put any hands on me.

[Erickson]

So is all this shit a play, too?

[Freeze]

No.

[Ice]

No.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Ice]

I don't think this is.

[Erickson]

This is real.

[Ice]

No, I don't think it's a play.

[Joe Button]

My only thoughts on this, right? Because this ain't none of my business. Y' all go to these events, and Lord knows what be going on. I'll be home. But ACT said that a mutual friend between. For him and Lil Baby is Rod Wave.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And that was a Rod Wave concert that he was at.

[Bender]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And Lil Baby called Rod Wave was like, you with this ass. But I didn't hear anything else after mutual friend. So if I can help anybody out there. There is no such thing as a mutual friend at all. There's no such thing. It doesn't exist. What you mean?

[Bender]

Why do you think that?

[Joe Button]

Because it doesn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Explain.

[Bender]

Explain.

[Ice]

I don't disagree with that.

[Joe Button]

I know you do, but it don't.

[Ice]

Let me explain.

[Freeze]

Somebody's always on one side.

[Ice]

That's not true.

[Joe Button]

Yes, it is.

[Freeze]

Somebody's always.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And if.

[Joe Button]

And if you the nigga in the beef, you can't afford to risk it. You can't afford to risk it and find out.

[Ice]

That's different. I understand that's side.

[Joe Button]

But if you understand that, then there's no such thing as a mutual.

[Bender]

That's not true.

[Ice]

You just saying that's a. I'm not Arguing with you.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking. Y' all can give y' all own take. I'm saying, if you have to move like that, if you go into. If you go into a place where you think you got a friend and the person you beefing with got a friend. That's not true.

[Ice]

I.

[Bender]

You. You and Arsenal had a back and forth. Ice was in the middle of that.

[Joe Button]

It's not beef. Yeah, it's not beef at all. Y' all gonna come with these false parallels. I'm talking about some real. Real. I'm talking about want to see you and do something. Just put hands and feet on you. Bullets and knives inside of you is.

[Ice]

What I'm talking about.

[Joe Button]

So you're gonna be in that. You're gonna be in that situation and think because my friend is here, I'm good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, I see what you're saying.

[Joe Button]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ice]

That's not a mutual friend thing.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying.

[Freeze]

There could be somebody that you respect, both respect, that can squash some like that, that y' all both respect, but the mutual friend.

[Joe Button]

Nah. If you beefing with somebody. If you're beefing with somebody. Well, I'm just about to repeat what I said already, but if you're beefing with somebody, you go ahead and trust mutual friend and not give up your location or anything all you want. I think that's a dangerous game.

[Ice]

Yo. When you and Ran was beefing, I was friends with both of y' all and used to tell both of y', all, yo, I. Whatever y' all got. I don't got nothing to do with that. Don't talk. Don't talk bad about him around me. Don't talk bad about him. I'm not in y'. All. Yeah, there are mutual friends in an instance where I. I'm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I think Joe's point is on.

[Joe Button]

Friends with me and Ran was.

[Ice]

Yes. Yes, I was. Yes, we was.

[Joe Button]

What year was me and Ran beefing, bro?

[Ice]

There was a.

[Bender]

Ice was new. He was newly around.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he was new. I mean, let's just not toss friend around. You're an acquaintance.

[Ice]

I was an ac. Well, still, I was very early.

[Joe Button]

And that's when he had the blue Escalade.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

That was if we were still feeling. You know what I mean?

[Ice]

You see him man enough.

[Joe Button]

We just throwing years around. Enough to leave a.

[Ice]

In your crib while you on tour, though. But I'm not your man.

[Joe Button]

No, that's a different year.

[Ice]

You in a time after that. That was after that, that was right.

[Joe Button]

You in the time.

[Ice]

But still, what I'm saying is y' all was going through, like.

[Joe Button]

And I'm like, yo, also another example where me and Randy want to hurt.

[Ice]

Each other, but other people.

[Joe Button]

Me and Rand didn't want to hurt each other is all I'm saying. I'm talking about when two subjects are beefing. Anyway, I don't want to keep myself because I do have another point also. It. It came out that the driver was the security. Like the dude that. That alleges that he hit Act.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Is saying. I walked up to the car and once I saw that security was the driver, I popped off bomb because he ain't about to get active.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Button]

You behind the wheel. Teachable moment number two for you niggas out there. Your driver is not your security, and your security is not your driver. Now, if your security happened to have a ratchet or is down to. Yeah, I mean, get in with you, that's different. I mean, not just your drive. Your driver. Your driver is down for that, then that's awesome. But those are two different. Different tasks for a reason. And that's all I had on this. I wish everybody well. If the two niggas fight, I am gonna watch it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the part I hadn't heard yet. I sort of saw a headline saying that Lil Baby had agreed to the fight.

[Joe Button]

That's coming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Joe Button]

That's from homeboy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

From homeboy, right?

[Joe Button]

Little fuckity.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know ice be on the inside of some of you. Have you heard any confirmations?

[Ice]

I'm not curious.

[Joe Button]

I hate Mark. Yo, I wasn't being funny. You such a dick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't being funny. He'd be knowing that I don't know them.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I meant like the Internet.

[Erickson]

He's not signed to them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ice]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's my part. The Internet was happy that this was all going on what day he got hit. I won't say that, but a lot of different sections of the Internet were happy. Some people were happy that ACT admitted to accept accepting payola because they felt like it would help Drake's case somehow. I don't fucking know. Okay, who else was happy? Who else? The people that hate academics was happy. Who else was happy?

[Ice]

The Internet was kind of having a little.

[Joe Button]

A little fake party when this was going on. And then ACT fans was just happy to see him spazzing out on Lil Baby. They enjoy a good ACT Spaz album. Yo, the drive is not your security, dog. One of you niggas gonna get shot. Not a. Or not in this. Anybody not in. I don't believe that any of that is happening here.

[Freeze]

But the same man.

[Bender]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Erickson]

The same thing, sort of with Tori. His security was the driver.

[Joe Button]

Yes, yes and yes. It's always a mistake. It leads to nothing but bad. And what you say, Flip?

[Freeze]

We come from different things. So, I mean, is. Is, you know, to watch it play out is. It's fun, but we just. We look at things from.

[Joe Button]

From different.

[Freeze]

You know, where we come from.

[Joe Button]

When the popped up, we were putting.

[Freeze]

Ourselves in those positions.

[Joe Button]

The. That the. That went to go get the car was the.

[Ice]

That could drive.

[Freeze]

Exactly. It was only the driver. The shooter was in the. In the back seat with you? Yeah.

[Joe Button]

What is this new stuff? These drill kids changing everything again. They want to drive and shoot and smoke and being cheap.

[Freeze]

I just think the actors trusted the situation. I don't think he just trusted it. He just felt like, you know, there's been plenty of situations that I went outside and everything went well, and he just trusted it. And now, you know, it's a lesson learned for him. He's a good guy. I mean, I like him. So let's see. Hopefully, you know, nobody gets hurt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my prayer always. Nobody gets hurt because you. Y' all might not be serious or y' all might be serious, whatever, but a lot of time it'd be that third party to do that. Want to score points or get attention or get the mix of some. Ain't got nothing to do with it.

[Ice]

Or.

[Bender]

Or to X point. Yo, we supposedly squashed it.

[Joe Button]

Boom.

[Bender]

But it's a. That is trying to.

[Freeze]

I don't like them rogue.

[Joe Button]

Hold on.

[Freeze]

I don't like that.

[Joe Button]

Go rogue.

[Freeze]

Yo, if you know why squashing you go rogue because you want to. It's Ramadan for you.

[Bender]

He might not know it's going to.

[Freeze]

Be you in Ramadan.

[Ice]

But what if he don't know? I just think it's. Oh, that. That's somebody that my man got problems with. He might not have the word.

[Freeze]

That means that you not really in the loop. Then that means that you're just doing something. You think that I want this to happen and you just causing a bigger problem than anything else.

[Bender]

You know how many niggas it is?

[Ice]

It's a lot of that.

[Freeze]

I got you.

[Joe Button]

I gotta tell you, it does feel good to be beef free. I don't think that that's said enough in hip hop. I ain't gonna lie to y', all, man. It feel Good to not have beef with nobody, honey.

[Ice]

Yo, you mature, son.

[Freeze]

Yeah, honestly, that come with a lifestyle. Rich and famous.

[Joe Button]

A got a walking Tim Hortons on a swivel.

[Bender]

Still got to be on the swivel, though.

[Joe Button]

Nah, man, the swivel. Well, there's. There's modes to the swivel. It's 1, 2, 3. There's an aggressive swivel there. That paranoid swivel. There's a quick little light, check around. There's a quick little light, check around. Some that gotta keep their back to a wall. Keep your back to the chips.

[Freeze]

Back to the door.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Come on now. You go to target walking any hour you want. Just happy stare at the customer, sir. Look at y' all over there. Ain't nobody looking to shoot you jump you. You just driving. No tents. People could see you like that's what you forties. Well, I don't understand it, man.

[Freeze]

I want the tents.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, wor you lost?

[Freeze]

I want the tents.

[Ice]

Definitely with the tents.

[Joe Button]

Why free.

[Freeze]

You can do fish bow, bro.

[Joe Button]

I'm not why you need tents.

[Freeze]

It's.

[Ice]

It's. It's habitual at this point. Yeah, I'm not going to hold you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I pick a carish.

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm grown.

[Ice]

I go straight to the 10th spot.

[Bender]

Well, I didn't hear what he asked you. My fish bowl, too. Oh, and yeah, I don't need that.

[Freeze]

Joe. Come on, Joe.

[Bender]

And the color of my car. Like, if you're doing it for aesthetics, like, I think certain silver cars, black cars, white cars, they look good with tents. Just aesthetically. But I'm not getting 10.

[Joe Button]

You know what look better than the tent?

[Bender]

Me.

[Freeze]

There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Facts.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I mean, exactly. You don't want to be bothered with it. Way better. Better than the tent.

[Freeze]

Driver, put your middle.

[Joe Button]

Pick up the.

[Ice]

That's how them kids started on that. Like, what if they know that was you? What if they couldn't see you?

[Freeze]

He's mean on the road.

[Ice]

Yeah, man. N. If you had tent.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying all this. My mayback a tenant.

[Ice]

And as soon as you got it.

[Bender]

No, it's certain cars again.

[Joe Button]

Your Maybach should be tenant. Yeah, your Maybach should be tenant.

[Erickson]

Damn near limo.

[Joe Button]

My rose. My Rolls Royce is not. They gonna look. Look at me. You going to look at me when I pull up actually in Ferrari. You're going to hear me. Why would I need to not be seen? You hear me? Three miles down the block. Yeah. That tent is for kids. That tent shit is for kids.

[Ice]

Silver, black, never growing up.

[Joe Button]

Then you could do something that all freeze.

[Bender]

I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't.

[Ice]

Tint the windshield, but I'm tinting the windows.

[Joe Button]

Where y' all stand on velour suits?

[Erickson]

There we go.

[Joe Button]

Where y' all stand on velour suit? Let's get to the real. I told. I told ish. I told Thought he would kill if this little number he had on here was a velour.

[Freeze]

I like velour.

[Ice]

Me too.

[Joe Button]

And then Parks was like. He laughed me out the room one time.

[Erickson]

That's some 90s. That's some 90s for real.

[Joe Button]

I think classic velour. Timeless.

[Erickson]

But that being said, if you're bringing back the quarter zip, the quarter zip and velour is. Is where it's supposed to be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hand and glove.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they go together. I think that a velor is timeless. It is. I have several Sha Joh 1 Sergio joints regularly.

[Ice]

That's that joint, though, in the. I know it's coming.

[Erickson]

I've never seen you in velour. Yes, you have velour.

[Joe Button]

I see you velvet.

[Bender]

I've worn Sergio chini suits up here that are velour.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Joe Button]

I've worn velour up here, too. I want to say you wore velvet.

[Erickson]

There's a difference.

[Joe Button]

Picture a time where you feel like you can't put a velour on. Yeah, that was.

[Erickson]

I love valor. I just haven't seen it in a very long time.

[Bender]

You won't tell Johnny?

[Joe Button]

No, no.

[Bender]

His fei velor is played out.

[Erickson]

Johnny, no, no.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

Italian.

[Erickson]

They got it.

[Joe Button]

Yo, should you say Johnny?

[Bender]

No, no, no.

[Joe Button]

This guy dope.

[Ice]

What else?

[Joe Button]

What else? What else? What else is important? What else is important? Fabio.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Beautiful ceremony.

[Joe Button]

I'm not doing Fabio and 21 again. Y' all not killing my new year. I'm cool. I don't care about none of that.

[Ice]

What you say, what you said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's if y' all saw that beautiful ceremony with Derrick Rose.

[Joe Button]

Oh, shout out to Derek. Shout out to Derrick Rose. Let me hit the round of applause. If it was better weather, I would have tried to go. But that was absolutely beautiful. Him and his wife with the organization. Organization did. All the players that showed up when they showed the jerseys that was up there, like, that's a big deal. Derrick Rhodes, Chicago's own, like, off from day one, the whole way through in Chicago. So for that to happen in Chicago, how could you not support that? It's like a child. A child that is a childhood dream.

[Erickson]

And well deserved for sure.

[Joe Button]

Definitely, definitely, definitely.

[Erickson]

Wait, what's that face?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What face?

[Freeze]

No, I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He wouldn't have been next in my line, but I think what line of Bulls. Of Bulls players. I would have given it to Dis Rodman. I think Dence Rodman Schiff had his number retired already for what he meant to that organization, what he meant to basketball, what he meant for the greatest team ever. He's in the hall of Fame. I think he probably should have a jersey up in the rafters, but I'm not mad at that. But that's not Derrick Rose's problem. I thought Derrick Rose deserved it. I mean, what he's been to Chicago is so amazing. Amazing. I also loved the. His. His interaction with his son on the sideline. When his son started crying and he was going back and forth with him, the way he was talking to him and what he loved about him, I just. I thought all of it was. All of it was beautiful, you know.

[Ice]

Shout out to him and Rodman jersey, technically. Who else? Picking 91.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fair.

[Ice]

You know what I'm saying? Like, we could leave that one. Ain't nobody gonna touch Robin should be up there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just want his jersey up in the ride because it's crazy. He's not retiring it anywhere, is he? Detroit hasn't retired him. I don't believe so. And the spurs and Lakers wouldn't.

[Ice]

So it would be.

[Bender]

It would be the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The Bulls would be the place to do it. That's when.

[Joe Button]

When my jersey is raised and it's time to talk about it.

[Erickson]

Don't bring up D. Don't bring up the other people.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Button]

This is a Derek row. How many MVPs Rodman got?

[Erickson]

Zero.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, like I want to hear all that. This is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he doesn't win mvp, does he get. Does he get the jersey?

[Joe Button]

This is not even a Rod Rodman talk.

[Freeze]

I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Joe Button]

Y' all keep trying to rod me. I. I love the worm. I love the worm.

[Bender]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We heard that about you.

[Joe Button]

It ain't about that. It ain't about that right now.

[Bender]

And I thought he played more seasons. I just checked. He only played three seasons with Chicago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all the you need. You got three championships.

[Bender]

No, listen, I'm not Mark Sports Takes. I'm not against it.

[Joe Button]

But Mark Sports Takes is like he came from a 60s culture cult, time travels to today and is trying to blend, you know? You know who jersey should be up there now? Rodmans. Now that's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think that. You think that's a crazy take? Dennis Rodman should be have his jersey raised.

[Freeze]

Not a crazy take.

[Joe Button]

No, I think that's a crazy take.

[Erickson]

And met of world peace did wear 91 in honor of Rodman first.

[Bender]

I don't think it's a crazy take.

[Joe Button]

But I think it's a crazy take. When you're talking about Derrick Rose, what he means to Chicago. To even bring up Dennis Rodman is a fallacy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not. Again, like I said, my Dennis Rodman point doesn't have anything to do. That's not Derrick Rose's issue. I'm just saying he wouldn't have been next in my line. I think when you retire jerseys, you should retire them chronologically. That's all I'm saying. I'm not talking about who's more important. I'm saying Dennis Rodman retired a long time ago.

[Joe Button]

Dennis Rodman is retired in Vegas for sure. Right? Couple poker tables, definitely.

[Bender]

Derrick Rose only played three years in Chicago. But he's Chicago born and bred. It's different, bro. He's from Chicago.

[Joe Button]

You said Derek Rose only played three years in Chicago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Played three cuz. Remember, he was on the team. But he got.

[Ice]

He.

[Joe Button]

All right. He's confusing me. All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he's probably there for five years, maybe.

[Ice]

Hold on. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I don't understand what yalls Google be wrong.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but there's some. But there's. There's some injury years, but in terms of like, action.

[Joe Button]

It's still wrong. It's still wrong. We got it. Yo, Derrick Rose. Congrats. How about. Congrats. How about y' all learn how to do that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like I said, congrats. I'm. I'm happy for him. I'm proud of him. I love a hometown story. You know what I mean? I love when somebody gets drafted by their hometown team and plays their career major years there. I mean, he was the only thing I think about Derrick Rose, other than his greatness, is how much better he could have. Like, I wonder what his peak is. But I always see the debates of who's better. Derrick Rose in their prime versus so and so in their prime. Like, we never even see Derrick Rose's prime. He was such an extraordinary athlete and he got. I was there at the game where he got injured and, you know, to watch his career end. Not end, but get cut short. His prime get cut short.

[Freeze]

Tragic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's tragic. That's it.

[Bender]

But he was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was special.

[Bender]

He. He should have been hung up before Rodman. He played seven, eight years in Chicago. Rodman only played three. Granted, Rodman did win three rings, but Rodman wasn't the primary or secondary focus of that team. Derrick Rose was him.

[Joe Button]

Rodman wasn't the focus or secondary focus now of this segment. What. What the. How do they keep squeezing Rodman back into Squeeze the worm in there, Derek.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

BJ Armstrong.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. Yo, something. Something is wrong with y'. All. Come on, we can talk football. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Let's not do football. Come on. Let's get to the serious stuff.

[Ice]

Well, before that, there was another jersey topic.

[Freeze]

Yeah. So when the first time Anthony had Ty Little on show, and he was talking to Tyl about The jersey assigned LeBron James jersey that Carmelo's son gave Tyler. And Melo was telling tale that he should return to jersey. It holds sentimental value, how important memorabilia is and stuff like that. And at first, you know, Tyl wasn't receptive to it, but he started to understand. So a lot of people talk about it online. He wasn't receptive to it at all. I mean, he got a LeBron jersey. So Melo was like, you should return that jersey to my son. You know what I mean? And that's what was going on out here.

[Ice]

And He's a big LeBron fan, isn't he?

[Joe Button]

He is, yeah.

[Ice]

He's like a real big LeBron fan.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But Melo, you know, I'm a big fan of my own. Like, if you. If I got. And you give it away, I got a problem with that. Especially my kid do.

[Freeze]

But maybe his son looked at it like, yo, LeBron, my uncle, man. I get anything I want every time.

[Bender]

I feel like it.

[Freeze]

What?

[Joe Button]

You know what I'm saying?

[Freeze]

Think about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that's the problem, because he.

[Freeze]

Get any jersey he want. But Melo looking it a little bit different. I don't know what. You know, he looks at it a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Little bit different, like it's his shit. Word. I share Mello's position.

[Bender]

He look at it like an adult. Where's your son? Looking at it like, that's Uncle Brian. Like, I could get this whenever I feel like it.

[Erickson]

We'll get another one.

[Joe Button]

Kids, shit like that.

[Bender]

Yo, you don't spend mad money on some shit, and your kid will be like, yo, here, you can have it. You like you what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Bender]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ice]

That's. That's normal, bro.

[Bender]

And they rich.

[Ice]

Rich.

[Bender]

I just think. I think it's normal if you mellow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you Go check down the jersey.

[Erickson]

You can't really do that either.

[Joe Button]

Some O.J. that's right. My. You in here trading my. It's my jersey, yo.

[Freeze]

Do. Do you feel t. Do you feel Ty should give it back?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Bender]

Yeah. If he asked for a bet.

[Joe Button]

You feel different.

[Bender]

It wasn't his to give.

[Ice]

See, that's where you got me.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, right there.

[Ice]

What that part? Because if it was. If it was the sun jersey and he gave it to him. I mean, he gave it to me. What you want me to do? You can't get mad at that.

[Joe Button]

No, we're gonna give you the son's.

[Freeze]

No, it was. No, it wasn't.

[Ice]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Freeze]

I'm saying the sign LeBron James jersey that was originally been gifted to his son. It was his son son's jersey. LeBron gifted it to him. It was a signed one. Yeah, it was.

[Bender]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Send that back. My G N. Send that back, Big dog. What the y' all talking about? He gave it to me. I hear you. It's coming back.

[Erickson]

I get you a little signed book or something.

[Freeze]

I like ish, man. Take it back to sneakers. The that work then, right? We can't get a itch no more then if we ask for in return ish.

[Joe Button]

Workers had the Gucci sneaks on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Laying foundations 100 degrees outside with the new Easter peeling.

[Joe Button]

Cabinets up S do Carters tar in the driveway.

[Ice]

He don't got him now.

[Joe Button]

Yes, he does.

[Ice]

No, he don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would bet my last dollar this.

[Bender]

Had everything about who had Yeah, I had S DOT card.

[Joe Button]

Do you have them still see solid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right he gave him to the right he gave him to the work.

[Joe Button]

Anybody been to his house to check?

[Ice]

That's not fair.

[Joe Button]

I bet you I can go over there and find a PS dot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Mr. Cuz, I'm a look.

[Joe Button]

I'm going to be an addict.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look.

[Joe Button]

Look at you, dummy. Right here. He probably got him in a glass case too.

[Ice]

Joe would be that. Yo, where the bathroom at, yo?

[Joe Button]

Yo, why you upstairs? Yo, if I came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, would you walk me there or direct me? I'm asking. Yo, everything I say is considered a joke. But I really be wanting stupid ass question. I don't think it is a dope. I don't think that's a dope question. I don't think you still.

[Freeze]

That's not stupid. Somebody some people walk into their bathroom.

[Ice]

Man, it's the second door on the left. Your ass down there. Second door on the left.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I Ain't walking nobody to my bathroom. I'm not walking. If I was you, I would definitely walk this to the back.

[Ice]

Oh, for sure. Actually, he might go outside. Yo, that tree.

[Freeze]

I'm going to his room.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you actually. Both of y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Freeze]

Yeah, I'm going. His room.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Freeze]

Turn the TV on. See what type of bread he got.

[Ice]

Take a picture.

[Joe Button]

See, I go over there and pull that siding off his house, man. Yo, you be making the right decision, boy. I'mma do some stupid. I'mma start roofing all types of nuts.

[Bender]

Anyway, your house gonna be bigger and.

[Ice]

More expensive than mine.

[Joe Button]

Well, which one of yours? Because you building in multiple countries. I'm not.

[Bender]

Your house will be more expensive and bigger than mine.

[Joe Button]

I don't know about that. Okay. I don't know.

[Ice]

You'll see.

[Joe Button]

I'm cutting cost every day. That much cutting in the world? No, I'm cutting that much.

[Bender]

Ain't that much cutting.

[Joe Button]

That's gonna be the nicest little. Little single family you ever seen. Single family with a pool. Look at Joe.

[Bender]

Single family.

[Joe Button]

Joe kick Rich families vary in size. That's the thing, too. Oh, never mind. Don't get me started. I think by design, I was just. I was just born to be. Don't say it.

[Freeze]

Don't say it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Freeze]

I think say for Del.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no. My heart is too given to be for Del. But yeah, I ain't with conforming and it's time to wow. Anyway, get me started.

[Ice]

Leave alone, boy. Cuz every time I say it, y'.

[Joe Button]

All get all tense in the face. Look at y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking about me that.

[Erickson]

We just worried about you, that's all.

[Joe Button]

We don't want you to, you know, I mean, go out, worry about yourselves. Come on, let's talk about Minneapolis and how pussy hip hop is. Oh, oh, wait.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hot take. Go ahead.

[Joe Button]

I don't think it's a hot take. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. It's sickening. It's sickening. It's sickening to. To think of the hip hop I came from and the hip hop I was introduced to, and think of the hip hop that other people were introduced to and how silent hip hop is on certain matters. You is pawns, po pussies and fucking puppets. All of y' all don't have a voice to say shit. Everybody. It's too silent for me. It's too silent when you see Americans getting executed on American soil in the 80s.

[Erickson]

By America.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, by America. And Then they go on TV and tell you every reason that what you just saw is not. What is. No time in my life could that happen and hip hop not be in an uproar.

[Bender]

I disagree.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna ask, asking you, I know.

[Bender]

We on a podcast giving our stances and takes. I think that hip hop has turned their blind eye to it. Because it's a white person. Yep. Because it's white people. And hip hop, this show, we, we, we. We push a lot of anti white. Whatever, whatever. So if it's affecting white people, Hip hop look is looking at it. And it's. If you read the comments.

[Erickson]

I don't think the show pushes every time we make jokes on white people.

[Freeze]

Take that out. No, take the anti Paul out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think that. I mean, that's his position.

[Bender]

Ain't my business. What I'm saying is, if you read the comments, they saying, I don't give a fuck. These white people, they don't come to our back. They don't come to support us when we going through trials and tribulations. Fuck them. If you read the comments, it's plain as day and it's very loud in the comments. I don't give a fuck about them shooting white people. People are saying it in the comments.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm struggling with this because I do think when things happen to people who aren't you, the natural human instinct is to have more distance from it. Not just Alex Preddy, who was killed this past weekend by Rest in Peace by these officers.

[Joe Button]

Not just killed, murder.

[Freeze]

Executed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't wanna use that word just cause it's a legal term and I don't want us to get sued. But he was certainly killed by police. And if he's found guilty, then it'll be murder. But I believe it looked consistent with the murder allegations for me. He didn't have a weapon on. They took the weapon from him and still shot him. And we saw that plain as day on the video. I mean, it's.

[Bender]

He wasn't in a threatening stance. He wasn't nothing. Like, you can't say that you shot him because you were in fear of your safety or your life. It's five of y' all on this, man. He's down on the ground in a submissive positioning and he got shot.

[Erickson]

My problem with that is just the hypocrisy when the fucking Rittenhouse kid and all the millions of other gun toes Republicans are walking around. It's the NRA and it's all the second amendment bangers Saying he had a right to hold the gun. That's a American right. And when this happens, he's a domestic terrorist. It's fucked up and it's wrong and it's hypocritical. Anybody that stands by it, you can get the fuck away from me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Facts, facts, facts. And let's not. Let's not ignore the fact that they actually also just lied. It's not just a matter of perspective. The Trump administration, his Attorney general's office, everybody, they've lied. They said that this man was attacking police. The ICE agents lied. They said that this guy was in a threatening position. He wasn't.

[Joe Button]

So that's a big problem I have with issues. Retort to what I said. Yes, it was a white person, but it was a white person defending a black woman.

[Bender]

Bro, listen to what I'm telling you. I'm not for. This is not my position. I came in here for weeks and weeks and weeks and said anti shit to what's going on. I'm telling you that if you read the comments, the comments are saying them. They never come to bat for us. I don't give a fuck when they are getting murdered. That is what people are expressing. So if you talking about a hip hop thing collectively, that is a lot of people's opinions. It's not Ish's opinion.

[Ice]

It's almost like it ain't our business type shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get you for where I was going with that.

[Ice]

But what he's saying it is. But I get.

[Joe Button]

I get.

[Erickson]

I also don't really agree with that sentiment because when there was the various terrible things that happened to the last administration, there was plenty of white folks folks there protesting and saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, I get what is saying.

[Freeze]

Saying what he's seen in the cop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that that's people's perspective. Whether it's accurate or not. I guess what I'm.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but no, hold up, Mark, slow down. Who gives a. What people in comments are saying? Like, when I'm talking about hip hop and the people we listen to being voices and almost news and social activists for what is going on regionally, that's not really. Who cares about what the commenters are saying? Like, the rappers that I came up on were community leaders. Like, this is bigger than. I'm not really. I'm not really having like a music and what. Hey, what's your opinion on this conversation? We have too many voices and if all of them are silent, I'm gonna assume some of them are and have been complicit with what is Going on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's where I'm struggling to your point. And this is where I was going just to your point. I mean, I feel what you're saying about how people are doing it because of distance, but I feel like from being that thing. But for me, even in Minneapolis with George Floyd, I just felt like in the last 10 years, I just feel like the artists are just getting further and further away from a political consciousness.

[Bender]

With George Floyd. With George Floyd, was hip hop loud?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think they were loud enough there either. That's my point.

[Bender]

I feel like loud enough is a comparative. I'm saying, was the hip hop community loud when it came to George Floyd? They were loud when it came to. To George Floyd. We just saw two people. We saw three people get shot. We saw two people get killed. And Joe is saying hip hop is not loud. And I'm telling you that there's a disconnect between what hip hop sees that is their problem, and what they see is not their problem. We are not in disagreement.

[Joe Button]

I'm calling that those people that are from that hip hop puppets and pawns.

[Bender]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just telling you that that is the. That's the lens that a lot of. And a lot of people are speaking through that lens. And it's not me making it up because I don't stand with that side. What I'm telling you is a lot of people are saying, this ain't our fight. Fuck them. A lot of people are also saying, yo, I don't give a fuck about this immigration shit. The Spanish people don't come to our back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I'm saying that.

[Bender]

But see, that's why I'm not making that shit up. That's what a lot of people's sentiment is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you're 100% accurate.

[Bender]

People are saying, yo, these Spanish motherfuckers voted for Trump. Now they get what they bargained for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And see, I agree with your assessment. 100% of the people are saying that. My point is just. I see a growing disconnect between our politics.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And our representation in the arts.

[Ice]

I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, and while I agree that it was louder for George Floyd and it was loud in Ferguson. Louder in Ferguson. I still feel like we're sliding down. I still feel like it's getting worse and worse even when it is us. But I also want to just add real quick, even if I accepted, like, okay, Alex Perry's a white dude, dude, you know, Renee.

[Ice]

Good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever. White.

[Joe Button]

These.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, are we gonna say these Somalians aren't black? You know what I mean? Like, I feel like we just keep Somali. Excuse me. Thank you. We keep establishing new uses and thems.

[Joe Button]

Tricky word.

[Bender]

Yes. That's what we keep. And I think for me, it's a humanity point. It's a decency point. It ain't about what color you are. It ain't about what your age is.

[Joe Button]

I don't give a About drag that Hondur Honduras. He lit us up with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My man back generals, two globetrotters, 98.

[Bender]

I don't give a.

[Joe Button]

About what your mouth.

[Bender]

We human beings. My. And it's a humanity issue to me more than it's a racial issue or ethnicity issue. I think is whack. But again, divide and conquer is. Has always been a truth.

[Joe Button]

For sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For sure. That's what I'm saying.

[Freeze]

I feel like. Do you. So you and you on the total opposite side of that, right? Like, do you feel like that some of the people feel that we've been going through this forever. So now it's y' all turn to see what we've been experiencing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ooh, I hope not.

[Bender]

Do I feel that that's a right position?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no.

[Freeze]

Do you feel that that's what people's stance is?

[Bender]

They're saying it, bro. It's not about what I feel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, he's adding another layer to it, though. He's saying not just like, that ain't our fight, but we actually want you to go through this so you can experience what we went through.

[Freeze]

Cause I just, you know, necessarily want.

[Ice]

But it's a lot of people that's saying, all right, now you see what the. We was talking about. Maybe now it's. Now it'll be a problem how we talked about the Corny. It's very corny. But this is a lot of people.

[Joe Button]

Say something real fast.

[Ice]

Let me just finish with the opioid crisis, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

When that was up the hood, nobody gave a. Until it started to affect them out there. This could be a repeat. Like, yo, they've been doing this to us for how long?

[Bender]

Y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Ice]

Y' all didn't really rock. Now that it's happening out there now, y' all see. Maybe y' all will do something.

[Freeze]

Now, earlier we were talking about the reason why I said that, because earlier we were talking about the whole guy that, you know, we were saying the Black Panthers took the flag and all that shit, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. The guy you interviewed, by the way.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all should check out his interview.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. One of the.

[Freeze]

One of a video that I saw was a Black Panther member saying that we are worrying about black people. We're worrying about us. We still got internal things, things to deal with. We're not worried about what's going on. A lot of the Hispanic people were not on our sides and helping us. And people with voices are saying these things. And to me, I don't agree. That's like, from a humanitarian standpoint, like, somebody's getting killed. But the people with voices are saying that, like, yo, y' all gotta go through that. This is what we've been going through for so many years. Police been coming up killing us in our hoods. None of you guys came up and defended any of that.

[Ice]

So I understand what. It's still the wrong mindset to have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's the wrong mindset. I think it's. I think it's the wrong analysis. You can't get free if other people are unfree. You just can't. Whether Ice is marching into the doors of white people, brown people, black people, whatever. If Ice is operating like a militia, then we're all gonna be fucked by that.

[Joe Button]

That's my thing. I ain't trying to get into all of the race shit about it. Again, my original statement is how I'm feeling toward his hip hop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And the hip hop that I know was kind of birthed off of standing against the governing body and that they was on.

[Freeze]

Right. The power.

[Ice]

No, but see, the hip hop that you talking about was. Was they was against the government doing that to us.

[Joe Button]

Ice, I don't see how you could be a black person watching what's going on and feel safe or feel. Or feel. Or feel exempt.

[Ice]

They haven't for the longest. We are in agreement. We agreeing with you.

[Bender]

You just talk about the community outcry. And I'm telling you that the reason that the community's outcry is not as loud is because they are looking at it like, I don't give a fuck about what's going on with them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I.

[Bender]

And I disagree with it.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Be clear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just adding another piece to this. And I'm saying that might be true, but I also think there's a declining political consciousness that's happening.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Year to year, decade to decade. I mean, I think about these niggas getting money. Yeah. And I don't wanna. And that's where I'm going with it. Cause I don't wanna. I also don't wanna romanticize the 80s and 90s? Cause there were a lot of artists that weren't talking about that shit. Right. But there were enough that were. And Hip Hop, to your point, was birthed out of, like, anti establishment. We're gonna fight the power. Literally, papee, right? We're gonna fight the power. But then at some point, we wanted to get rich. We wanted to be Donald Trump at some point. My president is black. It's like, okay, so we're fighting the White House. Fuck Ronald Reagan, fuck George Bush, fuck these people. But now we're part of the infrastructure. Now we want to be part of the establishment instead of fighting it. And I think our aspirations have changed a little bit. So I think that's where we need the political awareness and political education again. We need artists to come back. Actually, you know what? Take that back. The artists are there. We need to support and invest in the artists.

[Joe Button]

There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who are telling that truth.

[Bender]

I agree with that.

[Joe Button]

I agree. Yeah, I agree with that.

[Bender]

My man just got picked up, bro. His sister called me yesterday. A nigga that I know. You know him. You've seen him. He be in the strip clubs a lot. A lot in New Jersey. Like, he's like a damn near VIP in the strip clubs in New Jersey. They picked him up on January 3rd. He's in a state penitentiary in Indiana. He's black. So for the black people that think it's not our fight, my. They not going to stop at Hispanics. They gonna start with Trinidadians and Panamanians and Guyanese people. It's. It's. It's black and brown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And they doing it in our city. They're not doing it in Texas. They're not doing it in Florida.

[Joe Button]

As a black person, it should be more frightening.

[Bender]

I agree.

[Joe Button]

To see that it's happening to white people.

[Ice]

I agree.

[Bender]

Yeah, they don't give a. About this KKK militia type. This is.

[Ice]

They announced some. Talking about some American citizens should be prepared to have to show identification.

[Bender]

Yes.

[Ice]

To prove you're a citizen.

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Yo yalls Hip hop. Yalls Hip hop is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's.

[Joe Button]

That's what I got for y'. All. Y' all. Yalls Hip hop is. Is scared, timid, afraid, down, complicit. Just a bunch of bums. But you want to fight for music rights and not no human rights. You are disgusting. That's real. Hell, y' all are disgusting. You want to pop out to sell some shit, but when your voice can actually matter for something, it's scary.

[Ice]

They scary.

[Bender]

I thought the Timberwolves would have forfeited their games or not came out to play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They did.

[Bender]

They did.

[Joe Button]

They rescheduled one of them games.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They rescheduled.

[Bender]

I think it was violence, but not.

[Joe Button]

For how that approaches, how they felt. It's how they felt. Yo, we are stick to our stomachs with what's going on out here with the protests and they're killing people and we don't feel good. We can't play a game. Can't play a game.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They asked Anthony Edwards. Y' all see the Anthony Edwards interview afterward?

[Joe Button]

No, they.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was getting a little bit of flack for it. I'm not gonna be hard on Anthony Edwards on this because. Cause I just don't think he knows. But they sort of asked him kind of how he was making sense of everything. And he was like, I don't have social media, I don't follow it. You know, I heard a little bit about what's going on. I kind of know what's going on. My prayers to everybody.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was kind of the great answer.

[Bender]

It's not a bad answer.

[Joe Button]

Great answer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, no, I ain't never saying prayers to everybody when there's a war going on. Can you imagine? Like prayers to everybody is not the right answer. But I don't think he meant like prayers to ice and prayers to the victim. I'm read him in the most generous light. But the reason I'm saying that is Anthony Edwards is a budding, if not complete, full fledged NBA superstar. Right? And your agents, your management and the league almost always encourage you to have nothing to say. The blueprint for being an NBA superstar is to not say shit, Stay safe, right?

[Ice]

And so it gets off either side.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As fans, we gotta demand more. Because it's easy to say, why doesn't Anthony Edwards either know more or say more? And of course I would say, hey, read more, know more, say more. Sure he should. But we also have to demand that as consumers, there has to be a demand for that. You know what I mean? When Black Lives Matter was happening and Chris, Paul And Melo and LeBron, them stood up, there wasn't demand for it, but they were able to put their thumb on the scale because they're the superstars and they what you gonna do to all of them?

[Bender]

So they were already established.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Bender]

They were the citizens, they were the anchors of the NBA. This 24 year old kid, I think it's a little different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying the same thing.

[Joe Button]

I'm agreeing with you, but I just.

[Bender]

Think it was different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They could put their thumb on the scale and say, cause you can't do shit to the biggest names in the league. So I don't expect Anthony Edwards to stand on an island by himself. I need the players to come together and speak on this, especially the ones who have the most power. But I also need. We as fans have to demand something else to make it safe and to give them permission to be able to be courageous. People always need permission to be cool, courageous. And we have to give them that as fans by saying to the league, we want that shit. Standing ovation for not playing the game in Minnesota.

[Joe Button]

Like, it just dawned on me the other day just how quiet all this shit is. I was just going on about my business, but then I'm watching the news and then somebody was like, yo, the sports and the NFL's not speaking.

[Ice]

I'm like, why do we expect the.

[Joe Button]

NFL to speak up then we have the sports. If Greg Popovich didn't have to worry about his health, he would be on a 79 hour tirade right now for sure. Where is that, bro?

[Ice]

You know what? Another thing I just thought of, I think they'll put him out of that.

[Joe Button]

Go put a mic in front of Joe Missoula.

[Bender]

No. Yo, you know what I thought?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at that.

[Bender]

A lot of are in agreement with some of this.

[Joe Button]

I started this with. That's why no people just quiet. No, people are down.

[Bender]

Yeah, people are down. People. Yo, people are down.

[Joe Button]

People are complicit. People can vote. It voted for this people. A lot of people, to your point, don't really care. And that's cool. In the real world, maybe, but hip hop ill. See, I don't.

[Ice]

I take it as a lot of people down. But now that y' all saying, I'm looking at it that way too. I just took it as a lot of. It's scary. I don't want to say nothing and piss off something and up my money. Like, I remember I told you this story before. One of my homies that played for. For your team. And when the Kaepernick happened, it was like, yo, why you ain't saying that? He's like, all right, cool. I say something now, I lose this. And I got X amount of people depending on me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just.

[Ice]

I can't risk it. I think a lot of these is scared to come out and say something. They might feel it at home talking to their peoples. But I know if I go take.

[Joe Button]

A stance, well, Then let's never have a talk about freedom then because what does it mean to you? To me it means no fear.

[Ice]

So a lot of these, bro, to.

[Joe Button]

Me that's the exact definition of, of.

[Erickson]

It doesn't help that all the major corporations, Amazons and Facebooks and all that were standing behind, dude. So there's a lot of people in media, whether it's sports or whatever, that are worried about losing their next check from Amazon, whoever it may be, because they were standing behind.

[Bender]

Until your freedom take a lot of slaves wouldn't leave if they was eating good.

[Erickson]

I also read a tweet recently and it was after this and I can't, I'm paraphrasing, I can't remember who to attribute it to, but it's something like that's what human beings look for, a way to be cruel and have it be acceptable to other human beings. And that's fucked up.

[Bender]

So you divide, right? You divide and you take away. Oh, that's just them illegals, right? You get what I'm saying? So that's not a human, it's not a man or a woman. That's an illegal. What they did to us, bro. Yo, black people, they can't feel pain. They don't have no souls doing dentistry and OBGYN with no anesthetic because they found a way to separate us from humans. And that's what they doing today.

[Ice]

That's how it always starts.

[Bender]

They're calling them illegals and they take away the humanistic perspective.

[Erickson]

Criminals, illegal aliens.

[Bender]

A five year old boy here, criminal.

[Joe Button]

What he did, right?

[Ice]

You start off with those who society look down on and society will look at you as almost like you're doing us a favor and will empower you to do more. And then your true cause come out.

[Erickson]

And to Mark's point, you can see very clearly the agenda where when the states that have the highest illegal immigrant populations, at least two of the top three are Texas and Florida and there's.

[Bender]

None of this shit, none of this shit is going on.

[Erickson]

Whereas Minnesota has a comparatively small number of illegal immigrants and it's fucking warfare in the streets.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Bender]

Florida has.

[Erickson]

This is not what they're saying it is. This is intimidation and warfare.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's a war. Swing states, black states, Democratic led cities. This is a political strategy masquerading as.

[Joe Button]

And human life is used, is being used as some negotiation tactics. Like I don't want to hear Trump come forward with me and Tim Waltz had a good conversation. Well, you crazy or are you missing something like I don't want to turn the TV on and see that white lady. What's her name? Christina. No, whatever her name is. Every time she get on there, I get pissed. Same every time she show her face. You get pissed up there.

[Bender]

And no. And no crazy shit. Look. So I'm arguing with my. With my. Like, I got a bunch of friends that are maga, like, proud. And I'm arguing with them and I'm sending them the Kristi gnome because now they just pulling back every lie she's ever told since the third grade. And it's like, yo, you support her, huh? You support her, huh? You support. And I'm just throwing the shits out there. And they are really making excuses. My.

[Ice]

A lot of these double down, don't care.

[Bender]

It's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y'. All. Y' all find it hard to have friends? I don't have friends with mega, but do are. Yes.

[Ice]

Yeah, very.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it compromising your friendships? Like you think their friendships are going to end?

[Ice]

Yeah, close enough.

[Bender]

Some of them.

[Joe Button]

Some of them ended.

[Bender]

Some of them. We've been in the trenches so long that I can't end the friendships, but some of them have.

[Ice]

Some of these just ended already.

[Joe Button]

Should be all right.

[Ice]

Cool cousins.

[Erickson]

Somewhere that be. There'll be families issues at hand because of this every other week. Yo, do you see what so and so it's like y. Another one bites the dust.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Ice]

Like, this shit is real, bro.

[Bender]

Again, I think it's a humanity issue more than an ethnic issue, but it's crazy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Like, he just happened to be the most pissed at Tim. So Minneapolis has to unfortunately fucking go through this. Cause he's power tripping. But he would want to do it.

[Bender]

To California, but he can't. California's too important.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, right.

[Bender]

California's too important. He can't just go up there and start going crazy. On Gavin Newsom.

[Erickson]

A certain large chunk of California that. Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look, I. That's the bigger. That's the bigger reason you don't give a new home.

[Ice]

You gonna get ice.

[Bender]

Okay. You gonna be on ice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

That's what we're around here.

[Joe Button]

I ain't think about that. That's funny, son.

[Erickson]

Go play with the little hippies up in Minnesota.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Southern California.

[Bender]

You woke up down here setting up shop.

[Joe Button]

All this is just.

[Bender]

It's really scary.

[Joe Button]

The interesting thing, I had every problem in the world with what the Biden administration was doing with migrants. And I have every problem in the world with what the Trump administration is.

[Freeze]

Doing with migrants doing to Them and bro, yeah, it's.

[Bender]

It's night and day. It was bad under Obama. Be clear, Obama deported more migrants than any president in history. And that. This is one. This is one of the arguments that they're making. And I said, fam, you have not seen, even during the Obama administration, one person's rights being just totally stripped from them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And fuck.

[Bender]

Not fuck.

[Erickson]

I'm sure it happened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There were some.

[Bender]

There were some happen. It's not widestream media to where they're apolog. I mean, making excuses for it. And then it's carried. It's carried over now into green card holders and American citizens rights being violated.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, this is the next level. Like, there's some other joke about.

[Freeze]

Like, it's not.

[Bender]

It's not funny when it gets scary.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They're rating.

[Bender]

When you start thinking about people who just might have Hispanic last names that were born in America.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Bender]

Or they being violated. They being slammed on the ground to talk to. They don't even talk to you in a kind manner. Yo, get the out your car. Shut the up.

[Ice]

Like, that's how they.

[Bender]

That's how they walking up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. They talking to people like they homeless. Yo, stop.

[Ice]

Can you stop. Can you grow up?

[Joe Button]

I just want y' all to know how that homeless sounded. Yeah. But anyway.

[Bender]

But nah, bro, it's just. It's just a different thing that we haven't seen. But we have seen it. Yeah, we've seen. Seen it. We've seen it being conducted against us. We've seen it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Worse with us down with this for some tax breaks and cheaper gas. Are y' all disgusting? Is disgusting. I'm glad I'm not standing. It's another R wor.

[Bender]

Yo, yo. It's another R word.

[Joe Button]

Repulsive.

[Bender]

No.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Bender]

You're not retired. So glad I'm rich.

[Joe Button]

For everything. I'm so glad I'm rich.

[Ice]

I don't gotta deal with this.

[Bender]

So I'm glad I'm gonna be on.

[Joe Button]

Tour in Minnesota and. But the funny is I. I do have to deal with it, Rich. That's the point. Your money don't make you exempt. My driver's African. My. My cleaning ladies that. My. My staff is like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Rough.

[Bender]

The Uber I caught today.

[Ice]

I'm just saying people in that have.

[Joe Button]

Been in my Life for over 10 years like, that are important to me and that I love that are coming to me with strength stresses about their whole family, and it's like, it doesn't work.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's nothing you can do about it.

[Joe Button]

This Is sick. This is sick.

[Bender]

You gotta feel for them.

[Joe Button]

This is sick. Yeah, yeah, Juicy ass hip hop niggas.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, as a hip hop artist, when you look back on your career, are there moments where you wish you had said more political stuff or been more outspoken?

[Joe Button]

No, no, I was outspoken for where I was as a 20 year old year old which was in invertly focused on me. I hadn't gotten to. That's why I'm not. That's why I don't vibe with your Anthony Edwards take so much like the ASAP Rocky. Part of my beef with him was them putting a mic in front of him and hey, how do you feel about these very important political. It's like some of these people. Anthony Edwards has put his foot in his mouth before and I'm sure he's been instructed by people to hey, play safe, play safe. Keep it short.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I say read more.

[Joe Button]

So at 20, same for me. 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. All of that same for me.

[Ice]

I didn't start seeing.

[Joe Button]

My dad used to always say my whole life, whole family would laugh at him. Now I understand his pain. He would say, one day you'll learn that in America it always has to do with race. Always me and everybody. All right, shut up white people. Cool. Shut up old ass nigga. Yada yada yada yada. It wasn't until later in my 30s that I started to really assess the functionality of America.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ice]

And you're kind of right.

[Joe Button]

And how it affected me people and, and huh.

[Bender]

See for me it's money.

[Freeze]

We know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think as you got money, you.

[Ice]

Don'T think they go hand in hand.

[Bender]

It's always. No, it's always. I think they are distant cousins. But I think it's always a money play. Like even in all of the tyranny, it's always a money play behind it. Like it's always something that's leading to somebody going to monopolize off of these actions. Whether we taking this land in the name of racism, we taking this land because we look at these people less than they don't look at. They want the money, they want the land. So that's just they means of getting the money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna say those two things connect. There's a great.

[Ice]

They connect.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a great book that everyone should read at some point in their life.

[Joe Button]

But Black Marxism, can we get the name of it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Black Marxism.

[Joe Button]

Thanks Mark.

[Freeze]

Thanks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dr. Mark Lamont Hill by Cedric Robinson.

[Joe Button]

Definitely the name of a book.

[Erickson]

Do you have it at Uncle Bobby's.

[Freeze]

We do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We do.

[Erickson]

Unclebobbies.com.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'S it. But you can get it for free online. PDF.

[Ice]

I don't rather people reading it.

[Erickson]

I'm not saying. You're saying to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you weren't. But there are assholes in the world that'll think I'm doing this as a plug. And I mean like a nickel on a book. A book like that. But anyway, this idea. I'll be real fast. This idea of racial capitalism is important because I think that's what both of y' all are talking about. Cause there's always a debate of is it racism or is it economics? But the theory of racial capitalism, to make it really short, is that all capitalism is racial capitalism. And that whenever you have capitalism, capitalism thrives not just from having a ruling class and a working class or bourgeois and a proletariat, but it also works through the racialization of a group of people. So in other words, it's not just that you have people who have most of the money and the resources and the means of production, it's that you have to then create a race of people to justify not giving them shit.

[Bender]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So the differences between black and white people aren't real. Biologically, there's no difference between, you know, Ice and Po or whatever.

[Bender]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, biologically, we're all the same, but we create racial categories. What'd you say?

[Joe Button]

Ice and Poe. They look a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll have that up for you. But.

[Freeze]

But, but that Ice and Po.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I thought that was wild. Honestly, with all this going on with Ice. Change your name.

[Freeze]

Yo, have you thought about that?

[Joe Button]

You should. You can't keep being Ice. Okay, Flip did that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Especially officially Ice, because that sounds like real government.

[Joe Button]

That sounds like. And you. And you a. And you a fat ass nigga anyway, right? And you pronounce and you a cop.

[Erickson]

So kind of tracks, do you get tweets?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he would.

[Erickson]

With people. Like mistaken.

[Joe Button]

I used to get out there and be Ice too.

[Ice]

You crazy. Don't. Don't play with me.

[Joe Button]

Enough. Goddamn.

[Freeze]

Get your ass here now. Get on the ground.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey guys, I got one.

[Ice]

I finally get the dust off my.

[Freeze]

Shy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

50,000 sign up.

[Ice]

Nah, man.

[Bender]

Did he do it?

[Erickson]

It's. It's the centric J Rob school.

[Ice]

Yes, I just.

[Bender]

Or just. Is he illegal?

[Freeze]

Freeze your cold.

[Ice]

No, man, no.

[Joe Button]

Hip hop. Y' all disgust me if you can. If you think I'm talking about you, then I am anyway. Nasty ass, silent as a church mouse.

[Ice]

Damn. You once you said that. I'm thinking like somebody usually at least put a song out addressing somebody, even if they not. Even if they. They're not in the streets and marching like somebody say something.

[Joe Button]

You know what's funny in my hip hop talking that I'm doing. To be clear, I don't have to go back to the 80s for this.

[Ice]

Like, damn. I'm just thinking, as you've been saying, we were in.

[Joe Button]

If we were in, you could pick an error. Pick an error. The 90s, the mixtape era would have addressed this top to bottom by now with a punchline in real time. Something would be letting you know that hip hop is aware and this is how we feel about it as a whole. You ain't got to give a but to just be silent on the matter as a whole and see what you seeing on tv.

[Ice]

Go on business as usual type.

[Joe Button]

I don't. I don't see it. You disgust me. You're filthy.

[Ice]

Like, I'm thinking about your freedom record.

[Bender]

Vic M just put out some bars.

[Ice]

The bigger picture.

[Joe Button]

That's what I mean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That's what I mean.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That's it.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying shout out to Vic.

[Ice]

I'm not saying, you know, but I'm just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Vic been on it on social media and on music on the wax.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he gonna get on his social media with shirtless eating a pear, telling you about what the is going on.

[Bender]

That orange tree got more oranges in a little bit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that where you got that orange from?

[Bender]

Who? That's where he go. He go to the orange.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know you eat orange pills too. I know if you stole his swag.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Who did it first?

[Bender]

15 is older than Vic.

[Ice]

Men. Bro, stop playing.

[Joe Button]

So you've been eating orange peel. He repped that? No, look, Vic will go pull the.

[Bender]

Orange down, give his little speech soliloquy and be he killing it.

[Ice]

He been body and he been killing it. Salute to him the way hip hop.

[Joe Button]

Tried to get on Khaled ass for being quiet. Yeah. Oh, good point. Get the out of here.

[Ice]

Good point.

[Joe Button]

Pawns. Anyway, I get too mad your alliteration false prophets. Anyway, what's next? What's next?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Legal matter. Chad sues Pharrell.

[Bender]

Did he?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? How many Louis runways we gonna let him on? He's like a do at some point. Yo, dog, we got to deal with.

[Erickson]

It was a little odd. It was a million dollars dollars in royalties, which doesn't sound like a large percentage of probably what he would have been owed for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's just from the first album.

[Erickson]

Oh, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my understanding. It was just from one album.

[Erickson]

From one album.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

There was some stuff about some merch and in there too, but maybe it was all related to the. To the first nerd album, which is a cult classic.

[Bender]

How did that even happen?

[Ice]

Get that his million dollars before it even makes the papers.

[Bender]

Unless you feel like he isn't owed it. But even if he ain't get a nigga's million.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Oh, actually it's from the. So it says the 2017 album. No one ever really dies.

[Erickson]

Okay. Second album.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But a very specific. But it's still from a very specific project. Merchant and other stuff from that.

[Erickson]

It's odd that it's made public though.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

Man.

[Ice]

What y' all think about what he put in the lawsuit?

[Erickson]

Let's hear it.

[Ice]

I'm reading this from. What's this complex. Hugo, who in the suit refers to his role in the Neptune's partnership as the principal composer, arranger, multi instrumentalist and producer responsible for the programming, instrumentation, and overall sound design. Basically saying I did all this shit.

[Joe Button]

Well, he went further. He also said Pharrell was more so just the visible guy.

[Ice]

He was the visible.

[Erickson]

I think that that's a fair assessment from what I've seen from the little behind the scenes videos of them making beats together and all that shit. It's. And from ear test. Neptunes vs. Pharrell Williams as producers. Pharrell's still amazing and dope and killing it, but Neptunes is a different monster entirely.

[Ice]

The heart of Hugo's issues with Pharrell deals from Nerd Music LLC, a company they formed in 2014. Hugo's suit concluded. Excuse me, Hugo. Suit claims that it was Pharrell's sole responsibility to provide information about income, expenses, royalties, and other financial issues. That sounds like a mistake.

[Erickson]

That sounds like a mistake for sure.

[Bender]

Sound like trust.

[Ice]

Under the terms of the company. Yeah. Under the terms of the company, William gets. Williams gets half the money from touring and other income, while Hugo and Haley each get 25%. The merchandising and trademark income is divided equally amongst the three members. And he's been trying since 2021 to get the financial records to know if I haven't had luck.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oof, that's nasty.

[Erickson]

It's nasty.

[Ice]

Yeah, this is very nasty.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what that means.

[Ice]

But I mean, if I. If I've exhausted every other. Because I'm gonna have to. I gotta sue you to get. To get access to These records.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I have to assume he at least feels that way. I don't know who's right and who's wrong, but I can't imagine he didn't try some behind the scenes, you know?

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Everything else but this.

[Alex Honnold]

Yeah.

[Ice]

I don't want to get to this point.

[Joe Button]

Like, let's.

[Freeze]

Let's.

[Ice]

Let's fix this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate it. I hate seeing this stuff, man.

[Erickson]

I would like to see them make music together. Honestly, that's never going to happen.

[Joe Button]

Once.

[Erickson]

A lawsuit was involved.

[Joe Button]

This is the part I hate.

[Erickson]

Why.

[Joe Button]

This is the part I hate about where we are as a hip hop community. Could be at each other's throats, ready.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To kill that game. 50 remixes.

[Joe Button]

We still get something from. They're gonna kill each other.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe.

[Erickson]

Maybe.

[Ice]

Chad been low for how many years?

[Joe Button]

We just talking about the suit. He been going.

[Erickson]

Well, they got back together for a little bit. I forgot what year that was. But there was a period of time where they were back making music together again.

[Joe Button]

And then that was before the. That was way before the Louis Vuitton. Right. That's before Virgil died. Right. Before some things. My Virgil.

[Erickson]

This was in the 2000 and twenties, I'm pretty sure.

[Joe Button]

Listen, I have a whole. Another theory that has to do with.

[Ice]

This topic, but has responded.

[Joe Button]

Pharrell is an alien. The same way they say. New and old Gucci. There's a new and a old Pharrell. Have y' all looked at Pharrell recently?

[Freeze]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

That nigga's out of here, man. I don't think that's a human.

[Ice]

Cyborg or some.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't look who go.

[Freeze]

Where you going? Where you go?

[Ice]

You could go.

[Joe Button]

I think Pharrell is from some other.

[Freeze]

Hey, brother. Hey, brother. Like when they be throwing on his outfits and don't get mad at her. It's all right. I'm praying for you.

[Joe Button]

The last slide of that wealth that I was reading earlier, the last one where it says 2 billion. 1 to 2 billion plus. The last final sentence is this isn't. This is an alternative. Alternative reality altogether.

[Erickson]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Bender]

Yeah, I could believe that.

[Joe Button]

And I think that that's where a lot of people are. And on podcasts and these news shows and these. Yeah, I mean, we're not. We don't be there. So that's. That. That's the variable that's often missing from some of these conversations is a lot of these people are living in completely different. Different realities, bro.

[Ice]

I don't think that number's that high.

[Joe Button]

11 makes 3 sometimes. And that 3 is correct math for them. Yeah. Back to whatever they said about the being asymmetric. Like, it was a lot of. No, that.

[Ice]

I don't think the number's that high, though. Some of these really do live in a. I remember people was mad at Wayne for certain comments he made. Mayweather. Certain comments they made. But these living in a different world where they don't even. It's not an excuse be clear. I'm not excusing it, but they really. I think these niggas be so out of touch because they live in a different reality. They don't even know what the fuck is going on over here.

[Bender]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. And the alternate reality shit. That's why when we had some of these Jay Z arguments and all of that, I be like, yo, fam, these. It's like a giant. The vision. His analogy with the giant. And yo, dawg, if you five foot five, you can only see a certain thing. A That's seven foot could see way farther than you. You just ain't get up there yet. So you don't even understand what they saying now to the Wayne and. And. And Floyd shit. I kind of disagree. Because you grew up in the trenches. You wasn't born rich. My. So you know the. The plight of the ghetto still.

[Joe Button]

You know what I mean?

[Ice]

Like, you.

[Bender]

Baby's your father, nigga. Like, y' all been in the trenches legitimately in the trenches. So you can't just discount that shit with. Once you get some money. Floyd and them was poor. Your father was in the street. Your uncle's in the street. Y' all grew up a certain type of way. We're not gonna just get a certain level of money and just discount that this exists.

[Ice]

I'm not saying I disagree with that. I'm not saying that you discount that it exists. I'm just saying you're so far removed that you don't even notice it. You don't see it. Your. Your world exists up here. You don't even see what's going on at the ground level anymore. So you're missing it. I think once you're pulled, somebody pull your coattails and say, hey, dog, look at what's happening. You'll see it a little differently, but because of what your view, you don't see it. And I just want to say Pharrell did respond to this lawsuit.

[Joe Button]

What do you say?

[Bender]

Ha ha.

[Ice]

They put a statement out, says the lawsuit is filed. The lawsuit filed is premature as there may not even be a Dispute between the parties. If the accounting review determines that money is old, the appropriate party will pay it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That sounds like you know. Yeah, you know I ain't gotta say it.

[Ice]

No, no, you gotta say it. You got me.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna give you money, my.

[Bender]

Yeah, I'm gonna give you money, my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, why are we doing all this, y'?

[Freeze]

All?

[Erickson]

You could have just texted me as.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They open the text.

[Joe Button]

That's how Pharrell come off today. Like, if somebody came to him with this, he was like, yo, you're not bothering me about this, are you?

[Bender]

A million.

[Joe Button]

Like how this little million or I'll.

[Ice]

Get to it and I just ain't got to it in your time. That million might mean a lot to you.

[Joe Button]

Hey, Chad, do me a favor. I'll get to this in 2039, right? Go find yourself somewhere comfy to sit and watch these Runway shows. Got some brand new clips.

[Freeze]

God damn.

[Joe Button]

Got some. Got some new clips. Records I'm premiering.

[Ice]

That is crazy.

[Erickson]

Oh, shout out to Chad.

[Ice]

Chad, tune into the GR Getting that.

[Bender]

Money out here, boy. You ain't watch what's McCall it yet.

[Ice]

Did you what this I sent you?

[Bender]

I'm hooked.

[Joe Button]

What's up, Bob?

[Bender]

That own in Manhattan, It's a. It's a. Yo, niggas to be out here spending $14 million on 3,000 square feet. Niggas just out here got money like.

[Joe Button]

Yo, what the fuck? I do that a lot when I'm home too. Alone.

[Bender]

60 million. And you lost the bid, nigga bid $58 million. 15. Day closing and loss.

[Ice]

See, now that's a different world right there. That's a different world.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't even imagine it.

[Bender]

On 58 mil cash. And you lost.

[Ice]

He.

[Bender]

He cursed the.

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Bender]

I'm like, don't say no to me.

[Joe Button]

Cash. It was 56.

[Bender]

No, they wanted 60. And the bid 58 cash or some. And he was like, no.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, imagine.

[Bender]

And then they got a buyer.

[Joe Button]

That makes all the sense in the world. Like, yo, dog, well, if it makes sense, sure. But if my number 60, then I'm. Then I'm looking for 60. 60. If you don't have 60, then I'm not had it. He just.

[Ice]

Negotiation tactic. And I'm doing cash. Come on.

[Bender]

We.

[Ice]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

Not at this level. I asked you for 60.

[Ice]

I want 60.

[Joe Button]

Please send $62 million. We all have it.

[Freeze]

You have it.

[Joe Button]

I. I'm not out here desperate.

[Ice]

This is what it's a matter of, really?

[Bender]

Tug of war at this point? Yeah.

[Ice]

No, it ain't 60.

[Bender]

No, I'm for refuse. I'm a gazillionaire. I want to pay 55. Peace. Yeah. And that's how it be. $2 million of n wipe they ass with.

[Joe Button]

I'm gonna go get this boy Chad. Boy, I ain't gonna front.

[Ice]

If I was a rapper right now.

[Joe Button]

I'll be trying to go get a Chad be or a bunch of them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What is Chad doing right now?

[Joe Button]

A bundle. A whole whole.

[Erickson]

He post pictures of studio shit. So he's doing something I don't know what.

[Bender]

Spent your whole budget on that nigga.

[Ice]

Well, right there.

[Joe Button]

There'S a few producers.

[Bender]

I'd be thinking about and it might be for the ch.

[Joe Button]

Be wondering about. Oh, that's what I was saying. The. The. The distance traveled from where you was in poverty to where you are out of poverty, it ain't far. It ain't far at all.

[Bender]

Depending on how far across this river.

[Joe Button]

And the projects I was born in was right there. Section 8 poverty. It's right there. We billionaires Row is right there. You can see it. You can. You can look at it. The guy wake up over there, he's a billionaire. I'm right here. Here. Not. Not a billionaire. We was right down the street from here when they was cutting off my PSE and G when we was repoing, it was right down. It was no more than 400ft away from the distance. Clicker wouldn't work. My very first crib coming over here.

[Erickson]

I'm glad there's someone else that calls it a clicker.

[Bender]

Yo, dog, remember the clicker stopped working.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Bender]

That wasn't paying the.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Bender]

To go around the thing.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying I think about like that often. I think God like does little like that.

[Bender]

Anyway. You go to Bergdorf's every day. That's.

[Ice]

That's 50.

[Bender]

50. What is that? 59th.

[Joe Button]

So no, 56. But it's over all all that and it might be 54. It's over. It's over. It is over, buddy. Serious lifestyle change. You need me to go back to the slide.

[Ice]

Serious is inspiring.

[Joe Button]

Serious, serious.

[Bender]

And you know that. Gold over 5.

[Joe Button]

Serious stinking ass gold. Please. I'm stuck on where silver is the gold. Over five grand good for gold.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stinking.

[Joe Button]

That's the over and go anyway. Yeah. No discipline. Discipline preservation. Now more than making. I could go. I could go home and just look at and figure out where to earn more faster than I can going out and asking somebody to. It's there already. Yo, I'm growing up.

[Bender]

110 silver.

[Ice]

She was 87 like a week and a half ago.

[Joe Button]

It was 114 this morning. We down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was.

[Joe Button]

It was 113 yesterday. We down a couple. It'll go back up. I'm telling you. That's. It was out of here. What was I saying? What I was saying? What I was saying. What was I saying? I was going somewhere. I was going somewhere. I was going somewhere we could do. Is there anything else to do before football?

[Erickson]

You watch anything good during this snow? Snowden?

[Joe Button]

I watched my kid almost eat me out of house. I watched my kid almost eat me out of everything we own. And that is it. And it was football all Sunday.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Football Saturday. I wasn't on nothing.

[Ice]

Yo. I got to say, we. We. We laugh and joked about it because that's. We. I mean, we both spoke about watching the first episode and cutting it off. Hijack is good.

[Erickson]

It is. It is good. That's why I watched it.

[Ice]

Hijack is good. I watched all three episodes that's out. And Hijack is good, bro. What they did with the story this season. I think you'll fuck with it.

[Joe Button]

All right, well, at some point, I'll get around the London crime. I'll check out what they did.

[Erickson]

Is in Germany this time.

[Bender]

Okay.

[Ice]

Yes, Germany.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Okay, okay. Germany. Germany. Oh, I did start something on Fox called Memory of a Murderer Dog.

[Bender]

I seen the first episode.

[Joe Button]

Now. That's a good show. I'm not in the first episode. That's a good little murder show for you. You was watching Fox again.

[Erickson]

Came over after.

[Freeze]

He's back. He's back.

[Joe Button]

I've seen it on Hulu. But you was probably on Fox, huh?

[Bender]

I seen the first episode. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad.

[Joe Button]

That show was good.

[Ice]

That's all right.

[Joe Button]

That show was good.

[Erickson]

I watched. I was. I'm trying to watch all the movies that are in the Oscar Best Picture. I've seen a lot of them, but I watched Begonia.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Which is really weird and kind of awesome. I think you'll like it.

[Bender]

Yo. And that. And that's the thing. Some of this we never heard of. We'd be dissing it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you go watch.

[Erickson]

It's about essentially a conspiracy theorist that kidnaps a CEO woman because he thinks she's an alien. The conspiracy theory dude is the dude. They call him Evil Matt Damon or something like that.

[Ice]

Okay.

[Erickson]

He was big and bad. He was in the Love and Death show. And it's. Emma Stone is the girl. It's really, really good acting and film work and the story is. Is good. She told me conspiracy theory, weird as, but it's. It's kind of good.

[Ice]

I'll take a shot. That's why these shits win. I'll take it. We got another snowstorm coming this weekend.

[Erickson]

I feel like it was on Apple too, somewhere.

[Ice]

Another SO storm.

[Joe Button]

What the hell you talking about?

[Ice]

Check your weather app, fam. It's another one coming Saturday into Sunday.

[Joe Button]

Yo, God is on no God.

[Ice]

Heard all that yesterday.

[Joe Button]

It's going to be a degree.

[Ice]

No hit the feels like and not.

[Joe Button]

The T. Feels like no hit the.

[Ice]

Feeling feels like my. I got you.

[Joe Button]

I didn't know there was a feels like button.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Ice]

Yeah, I got you.

[Joe Button]

They manufacturing the weather then. If it's a feels like button, 23.

[Ice]

Is like whatever we say it feels like. Negative five. Geez precipitation.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'll be fine though that little monster sins problem to deal with next weekend. I'll be chilling. Let's see.

[Erickson]

Let's see who weather says segment. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Joe Button]

And my heat wasn't working too.

[Erickson]

Oh, wow.

[Ice]

Didn't you just get the Rolls Royce.

[Joe Button]

In there or some? Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem with all that fancy. A bunch of sensors on it that'll stop you from burn burning the house down.

[Bender]

The motherboard up. That's what they told you?

[Joe Button]

Got all did was.

[Bender]

Yo, the motherboard.

[Freeze]

It's cool.

[Joe Button]

They can't play with me. I was space heat beating them down.

[Erickson]

Them shits hit too.

[Joe Button]

Them space eaters make too much money. I had like five of them shits plugged in. But yo, listen, when it's cold out, girl, who are you holding? I don't care. Joe. Yes.

[Ice]

No, Phil, your dog.

[Joe Button]

And that was your little entitled ass would be like, you bum at broke ass.

[Ice]

Still got my space.

[Bender]

Did he say space heaters?

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, I didn't have it. I had to go get something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Ice]

The fact is poverty. He'd be like, y' all know where to get.

[Joe Button]

If that was us, just know that. I don't call that poverty.

[Erickson]

Them shit's hit poverty much higher.

[Joe Button]

Poverty is when there's a blizzard and you don't have nothing that can heat something up. The space heaters, it's poverty. Hey, whatever.

[Bender]

I mean, I'm not against it.

[Joe Button]

I felt like Ricky Rich. Richie Rich, you talking.

[Bender]

No, no, I'm not against it.

[Joe Button]

But if that was put that bad boy right on 90. When it got too cold, I went over there Put my feet by it. Yo, I was in there so bored. You put your foot by that to the point where your flesh about to burn on that feel good. That feel like the adult version of when you put your mouth by the fan when you was yelling. That's what that's like to me. I had a blast.

[Ice]

You got a space eater?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, seven of them.

[Ice]

And he went OD with it, too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, my boy Madden.

[Ice]

I know you did.

[Joe Button]

Home Depot ain't slick. Y' all not slick. I went in there. Well, first of all, because I had space eaters last year, and then I didn't have them, so. But they were so good. I went looking for those. And when I went Home Depot, I don't want to get mad. I think they. It's something that looks generic. I think it's a Home Depot brand that they signed and they pushing wewarm or something. When I went in Home Depot, we warm.

[Ice]

Oh, I never heard of that.

[Joe Button]

When I went in Home Depot, when I tell you they had 200 boxes of Wewarm space heaters lined up, product placement in the middle and had one of everything else. The box was open. That shit was open. That shit was on the floor. Dump jumped over. I was like, oh, they getting money. Everything is.

[Bender]

What's the green, Ryobi? It's Home Depot brand.

[Erickson]

Is it really?

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I didn't know the green is committee or something. He said what the green is. That means doctor Visit is a donut.

[Ice]

Yeah, I'm looking them up now. I'm trying to see.

[Joe Button]

Look, everything is an ad Here, Let me see. What else, what else, what else, what else, what else? Oh, we can do football. Let's do football.

[Erickson]

Let's do football. Seahawks ain't no joke, boy.

[Bender]

All right, tough.

[Joe Button]

They tough.

[Erickson]

Seahawks ain't no joke.

[Bender]

They kicked them, right.

[Erickson]

That was a great.

[Joe Button]

They wasn't even supposed to win that game.

[Bender]

That's not true. Please, if it know what the play of the game was, they was. They were beating them handily. When my man did that, I'm about.

[Erickson]

To tell you, they were up 31 to 10.

[Bender]

It was 31 10. And then the dude did the dumb shit with the taunton.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Bender]

In the very next play.

[Joe Button]

That wasn't 31 10, y'.

[Erickson]

All. That was 3120 points. After that.

[Joe Button]

No, there was never 3110.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Erickson]

3120. I'm sorry. My fault.

[Bender]

It was 3120. They were about to get the ball back. They had stopped them dude does the stupid taunton gives them the fourth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was fourth and 12.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Bender]

They had to punt. They gave him a first down next play puking the core touchdown. And that's what made the game a little bit more interesting. That game was not the most interesting game until that point.

[Ice]

You just disagree.

[Erickson]

I don't disagree.

[Joe Button]

Before that taunting was the special teams blunder.

[Erickson]

La.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Oh yeah. No yeah.

[Erickson]

I. I feel Seattle was whooping their ass.

[Bender]

Seattle was whipping their ass. Joe.

[Ice]

It was a. I don't know.

[Bender]

It was a one sided game.

[Joe Button]

I don't know what game y'.

[Bender]

All.

[Erickson]

If they're up by almost two tuds.

[Bender]

That about to get the ball back.

[Erickson]

In the fourth quarter. That's not a close.

[Joe Button]

But they didn't get the ball back and the other team scored. And now it's a one score game.

[Erickson]

Because of the taunting which I thought was not really the fairest of taunting penalties but was whatever they called it dog.

[Joe Button]

He was in the.

[Bender]

He was in the referee. He was in the coach's face. Damn near. It was some stupid.

[Ice]

They was about to fight.

[Bender]

Yeah, the Seattle dude was about to.

[Ice]

Fight him on the.

[Bender]

On the sideline. I'm saying this. If take away that penalty is the fourth quarter, we up by two scores and we got the momentum. We getting the ball back. All that. That game wasn't tight.

[Erickson]

Seattle looked like a better team by far throughout that game.

[Ice]

By far. They look like the best team.

[Erickson]

It looked like Matt Stafford was doing some Matt Stafford at the end to make it make it a much better game. But Seattle was in control of that game.

[Ice]

Yeah, they were.

[Joe Button]

That game go totally different. That special teams play never happened and they ain't in control of. But I'm not here to do that.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I think that's different from Seattle.

[Joe Button]

Seattle won. Seattle took it. They deserved it. They earned it. Couldn't be happier for Sam Darnold. Dexter Lawrence.

[Bender]

353 touchdowns.

[Joe Button]

He proved his JSN like they.

[Freeze]

They.

[Erickson]

He's nice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They.

[Joe Button]

They did it. They did it. I have a list of people that should be sick over that. I have a list of people that.

[Erickson]

Should be the entire jets family.

[Joe Button]

He always go back in time and be like you stupid.

[Erickson]

The entire Viking.

[Joe Button]

What pick was he right after Rob Bay said joy. What did he say?

[Bender]

Pay, pay. Pump it up.

[Joe Button]

Pump it up. Hey. Oh man.

[Ice]

Gotta have them both.

[Joe Button]

It's both sides. Naturally the Jets. Yeah, naturally the Vikings. Of course the Vikings.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

That was a whoops.

[Joe Button]

Even more.

[Ice]

Yeah man.

[Joe Button]

Even more so DK metcalf Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll. Your list is like my list.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Try to lock it.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Title locket should be sick. Seahawks go to super bowl back to back. Right after that comes Tyler Lockett. Tyler Lockett is no longer the team. The t no plays 10 years leaves the team and they go back to the Super Bowl. Talk about out of luck. Yeah. So all of those people should be sick. Congratulations to the Seahawks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Indeed.

[Joe Button]

You did it, Matt. Listen, Matt Stafford is him, y'. All.

[Erickson]

He beats the ball the out.

[Joe Button]

Matt Stafford is him. He's a monster. I think he'll be in the hall of Fame. I think you if I think he will be in the hall of Fame for sure. Well, they were trying to soup this up like it's mattered this. This win to his hall of Fame. I think he'll be in the hall of Fame no matter what. And at 39 years old, y' all are going to have to continue to deal with him if that team stays together. Devonte Adams come back. Puka.

[Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You have to deal with him.

[Erickson]

That Patriots Denver game, that was a ugly game.

[Ice]

Yeah, it was.

[Erickson]

That was ugly. And you want to talk about some dumb that going for? I mean, I get it. If you get the tud in that type of conditions, that is game over in the second quarter. But when that game ends at 10, 7, you are smacking yourself in the face.

[Bender]

The only thing I didn't like. I don't even. I'm not mad at them going for it. I'm mad at this stupid ass play that they called on the 4th and 1.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Bender]

That was the problem for me. Yo, dawg, we down here. Our defense is kicking ass. Even if we don't get it, they damn near in the end zone. I'll deal with with that. You do a roll out.

[Joe Button]

Bootle.

[Bender]

Run the ball, bro. Run the ball.

[Joe Button]

Like take the points.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I take the three.

[Joe Button]

Take the points.

[Bender]

I'm not mad at taking points.

[Freeze]

Not.

[Joe Button]

And I agree with you. The call could have been better. I heard that he was wrestling on the sideline with it wasn't run play. Then he changed it to a pass pass play. But you you up there with your backup quarterback.

[Ice]

True.

[Joe Button]

You up there with your backup. It's not B Knicks. Yeah. Your defense is the heart and soul of the team. Ride them up to to the wheels fall off. Take the points. Take the points.

[Bender]

And nobody ever thinks that the weather is going to do that drastic of a shift.

[Joe Button]

I looked at the coach should be thinking it.

[Erickson]

Yeah, someone should be.

[Freeze]

We no I'm not.

[Erickson]

We're podcasters. We looked at the forecast from sunny.

[Bender]

To blizzard out that in a matter of minutes.

[Ice]

Yeah, it was a time lapse on the screen. It was like, first quarter snap, the first player after halftime. Six minutes left in the third quarter. Then by the time they got to that fourth.

[Bender]

Oh, that was crazy.

[Ice]

That was like, outside my house. I was like, yeah, that was a damn.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. And the one person that maybe should.

[Ice]

Have thought of that was the coach.

[Bender]

Absolutely, coaches.

[Ice]

Absolutely.

[Joe Button]

Happy for New England, man. Happy for New England. Way to go. Drake May, second year. Yada, yada, yada. So now for Cowboys fans, we get to say Drake May was born.

[Bender]

And we since we go, Drake May.

[Joe Button]

Learned to walk and talk.

[Ice]

The way through it.

[Erickson]

I knew it.

[Joe Button]

Drake May finish school. Then may a Super bowl as an adult. Since the last time the Cowboys have made the championship. I love that little stat.

[Ice]

You see the graph they put up?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know where this was going.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Ice]

Yo, did you see the graph they put up where it got all the last time all the teams in the NFC made the championship game? And it seemed like right here, right here. Then the line go all the way down here, and it's the Cowboys. It should look great.

[Joe Button]

Yo, that is funny. Listen, New England, go to party city. Grab your confetti, your Doritos. Yeah. I'm a big fan of cheese noodles. Decorate the place.

[Bender]

Go all out.

[Joe Button]

Go all out. You got two weeks to really be proud crowd, man. I'm excited we get to see Cardi B. Yeah, sure. Let's go, Cardi. Whoa. And then the game is gonna come. Yeah.

[Ice]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I expect this to be.

[Bender]

Don't do that.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I, I, I'm just telling you what I expect. Seattle tough, but 37, 21, Patriots 49.

[Erickson]

Seattle.

[Joe Button]

Oh, Seattle 49. 16.

[Ice]

Yeah, I'm, I'm in that boat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, do all y' all have Seattle winning?

[Joe Button]

Yes. Okay. Okay. Yes. I got it being no, I don't have them winning.

[Ice]

I gotta be, I gotta be over early.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. This is gonna be like when Peyton Manning went up there. They blew him out by 40 by halftime.

[Erickson]

Oh, my God. That was a bad Super Bowl.

[Joe Button]

I look so much.

[Ice]

I got it. I got, I got the backup quarterback in victory formation taking a knee to close this game out.

[Bender]

That damn.

[Joe Button]

Okay, n. I not going to do that.

[Ice]

All right.

[Joe Button]

They going to, they're going to beat their ass.

[Erickson]

But Sam Darnold's going to take that last step.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got Patriots winning or you just got a closer game?

[Bender]

I got Seattle winning the Game. But I. I think the game is going to be much, much closer. I think that is disrespecting that New England defense. That defense, chump.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they're good.

[Bender]

And I think Drake May is tough, bro. I. I think that hope he is.

[Ice]

He's gonna find out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he gonna need to be. Yeah.

[Erickson]

Two TUDs. They're winning by two TUDs.

[Ice]

This is gonna be an ass whooping.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anybody having a Super Bowl.

[Joe Button]

All right, now that I listen to Ish. I changed my score. 63.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

7.

[Joe Button]

They'll get a couple field goals.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Six, nine. Yeah. 63 to nine.

[Bender]

Sorry, New England, that ain't a bad prospect. But New England kicker.

[Ice]

Oh, yeah.

[Bender]

That ain't bad.

[Erickson]

Yeah, he's gonna have some work.

[Ice]

Yeah, that's what you got.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. New England's gonna be the kicker.

[Ice]

He gonna be. He gonna be doing some kicking.

[Joe Button]

Yo, dog. Hey, but y' all got two weeks to have fun, man. Yeah, go ahead, sir. Go ahead. Mike Vrabel. The Vrabes come on now.

[Bender]

And I think it come down to coaches games. I think it come down to coaches games.

[Joe Button]

First coach to ever win it, win a title as a player and make it to the dance as a coach with the same organization. What a stat.

[Erickson]

Nifty stat.

[Joe Button]

That's a fancy little stat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's impressive.

[Joe Button]

Listen, man, it's gonna be a good.

[Erickson]

Tennessee should never threw him away like they did.

[Joe Button]

That was.

[Erickson]

That was dumb.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be at one of your house for the Super Bowl.

[Joe Button]

Is it true that Bad Bunny said he was doing half the show in, like, a dress or something? I don't think that's been going on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard the rumor, but I ain't heard of.

[Erickson]

I don't think that's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I want to see is the Bad Bunny show.

[Erickson]

I think my wife is putting the Bad Bunny bowl or something on the flyer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Loaded.

[Ice]

The Bad Bunny Bowl.

[Erickson]

So it's not that, but it's whatever the. She's calling it the Bonito bowl, maybe.

[Ice]

I think that might be like that.

[Joe Button]

That confirms my theory. When I get the Parks and Rim Flyers, that REM is totally in charge of a flyer.

[Bender]

Oh, for sure.

[Erickson]

You think I'm gonna do that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Erickson]

Text one line.

[Ice]

Yo, there's a time pull up.

[Joe Button]

But if I got a flyer and Bad Bunny was on it, then I maybe would think that you put that on there. That's your dude. That is.

[Erickson]

That's her dude, too.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God.

[Ice]

I get it part, but we're Having a party.

[Bender]

So, y', all, what's the name of his hive?

[Erickson]

I don't know them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm not having a Super bowl party, but some people I love will gather to watch.

[Erickson]

Yeah, same, same. That's how I would describe it.

[Joe Button]

Party. I don't want it. Nah, that's giving the wrong impression. Impression. That mean y' all think that you got a plus two, plus three.

[Erickson]

That.

[Joe Button]

That mean I gotta see people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I did last year. Ended up with like, 50, 60 people in miles.

[Erickson]

But I think I will order some. Some food. Got you not cooking a lot.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no. I'm putting my girl in the crazy. Ain't cooking nothing. We put on chicks up in there. Yo, get to chop, chop. And hurry up, get to it. And come on. Start early because, you know, you take your time. That food gonna be four hours late, man. Anytime she tell me I'm gonna eat, I just gotta have four hours to. It ain't be done by five. I know, girl. I know. Will you sitting there starving. You ain't eat all day. Oh, saving this appetite. Yeah, we'll have a little watch party, man. Something like, nice. My stupid ass. Will have the watch party and want to hear the commentators. Yeah. On the tv.

[Ice]

Oh, no, here goes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Funny one.

[Ice]

My girl gonna hit me and say, oh, man, we got invited to somebody's kid birthday party. And I'm like, oh, when is it? February 8th. Check this out. Y' all go, February 8th is Super Bowl Sunday. I don't care how close I am to them, I'm not going.

[Joe Button]

She said you could watch it on your gamer screen.

[Ice]

No, no, I will be. I will be at a Super bowl kickback.

[Joe Button]

Oh, all right, cool.

[Ice]

Yeah. I told her straight up, a foot down, I'm not going.

[Erickson]

I don't blame you.

[Bender]

Yeah.

[Ice]

That I would do Super Bowl.

[Erickson]

Yeah, no, foot down Saturday would be fine. Sunday.

[Ice]

No, sometimes you got to do that. Save those.

[Erickson]

True, indeed. True, indeed.

[Joe Button]

Giving them the long menu, too. When you send your girl in the kitchen to cook. I think so. About what you want? Oh, you should ask, right? Chicken, veal, I name it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even eat.

[Joe Button]

Just to see if she could chef it up. How you gonna season this?

[Ice]

Oh, oh, that's funny.

[Joe Button]

No, I thought about, too, since why it don't need to be snowed in the house. I thought about all the poor my mom fed me growing up that we don't eat no more. Like, don't nobody eat her. Just a pork chop chop. Yo, what happened to that pork chop Silly.

[Erickson]

Pork chops.

[Joe Button]

Pork chop sandwich. Wonder bre.

[Bender]

Where are they eat that, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Where?

[Bender]

I don't know, cuz I don't.

[Ice]

I don't eat pork chop.

[Joe Button]

I seen one of them south chefing some fry. Oh, our man. And that's in the yard with the big. It's fried pork chops. And I looked at that. I was like, it look good. But I ain't seen that since I was seven.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Steak them.

[Bender]

There's another one.

[Ice]

I ain't seen a steak make those.

[Erickson]

Not for nothing, I hadn't had a meatloaf in at least two decades until keto.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I must say, the first one I had was the other day.

[Bender]

We had meatloaf Friday.

[Joe Button]

Meatloaf is another one of those foods.

[Freeze]

How was that? It was tasting good.

[Ice]

Oh, no, it was fire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's delicious.

[Joe Button]

But I like meatloaf, so I request that like every year. But that is another one of those foods that's on the list. Living liver.

[Ice]

All right.

[Joe Button]

We remember liver.

[Erickson]

No, I never had it.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

But my mom used to try and make me sit at the table and eat that. Back when you thought our governing body was important. I say it all the time. When homeboy. When Michael Dukakis was running against who? They made all us sit around the table. Watch. Come on. Dukakis.

[Erickson]

The caucus.

[Ice]

Who would the caucus running against?

[Joe Button]

I was 88, right? No. My family made us as a kid. Imagine sitting there with some liver and lima beans. Hell no. Who would have thought that the president would start killing Americans and sending out the white girl gnome to say, oh, it's not what you think. That is the worst usage of it's not what you think.

[Bender]

N. That's crazy. No, dog, they got to see her. They got a compilation of her lying, bro. It's bad.

[Joe Button]

And you'll still be too.

[Bender]

Nah.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Bender]

Her face don't move.

[Ice]

You had to think about it.

[Bender]

I didn't think.

[Ice]

I said no, her face don't move. Well, she got nice.

[Joe Button]

Is that a requirement to be they faces?

[Ice]

You gotta move.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, we don't.

[Erickson]

It's been such a good day, man.

[Joe Button]

Fun.

[Ice]

How about those pork chops?

[Freeze]

Pork chops?

[Joe Button]

Oh, man. Nothing else. Nothing else. Nothing else up here that absolutely needs our attention.

[Ice]

Right this.

[Freeze]

You ain't Banquet.

[Ice]

Did I?

[Bender]

Tyson's in Banquet.

[Joe Button]

All right. I don't know what that is. Banquet. You know, Banquet, duh. That was for rich people when I was growing up. You crazy.

[Ice]

Almost got my ass whooped. No, I want. Give me one of those kid cuisines. When they had the little thing don't do that. No man joints on sale.

[Bender]

Little Salisbury steak chompy.

[Freeze]

Yours in there.

[Joe Button]

You ain't.

[Freeze]

You ain't steak them too, right?

[Bender]

Did I. My staking game is fire.

[Ice]

Do they still make the those?

[Bender]

Yeah, they still make steakums were spoiled.

[Joe Button]

Like $3 them for spoiled.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't around get some cheese, too.

[Bender]

Put this cheese in the what?

[Erickson]

Steak. Them with eggs.

[Freeze]

I can't believe y' all ate jacking steak.

[Joe Button]

That's funny.

[Freeze]

I can't believe y' all jacking steak up.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Freeze]

You ain't eat steakums food when I was younger.

[Ice]

I forgot.

[Freeze]

No, you. You eat a steak up right now.

[Bender]

I don't eat beef, but I a.

[Joe Button]

Steak them up if I was hungry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, steak was delicious. Shit was rocking in Philly. Like, if you couldn't afford a cheesesteak, you could just take them. You get a whole house of CheeseSteaks for like $3, $4.

[Joe Button]

Philly needs something new to rep so bad. A cheesesteak. Them used to be happy when the.

[Bender]

Eagles win because that's the only thing.

[Joe Button]

Now the Eagles got it, but them and the cheesesteaks, like y' all leading tourists down the wrong path. Cause now you go over there, that shit is like Atlantic City for y'. All. That is like a ghost town. All on the cheese take spot. Them chicks look like some poor tourist.

[Bender]

And there so many guns out there, you might leave as Swiss cheese.

[Joe Button]

Talk about white people. Oh, got to go to Gus's. You better get out of there, Frank.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a fact.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That cheesesteak mar is the spot. Anyway.

[Joe Button]

I have had good cheesesteaks over there.

[Bender]

I'm just be rocking next.

[Ice]

I'm going to bring cheesesteaks.

[Joe Button]

That's the thing about being smart old in with your kid. Like, he ain't on Z bound, so.

[Ice]

He so he hungry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He keep wanting to eat.

[Joe Button]

Hell, dog, what's wrong with you?

[Ice]

Chilling in bed like damn seven hours ago?

[Joe Button]

Yo, he old enough to tap. Yo. Yo, we gonna eat. Oh, we do got to eat. Well, I don't, but you do. Hey, he was in the mood. Boy, anything I went in that kitchen and chefed up and brought back, he ain't want it. I said pancakes. It ain't a pancake in there. Oh, y.

[Ice]

That's funny.

[Joe Button]

Son ordered some pancakes. U's. That's what came five hours later.

[Bender]

Them.

[Joe Button]

And he wasn't. He didn't sleep the whole time. Lex. Hey. Is it here? Yeah, it's here. He annoyed me so much by the time he said, what's for dinner? Pancakes. You getting breakfast for dinner? Goddamn it. Oh, man. Yo, stay safe. Stay safe. Stay warm out there, man. It's gonna be a degree. It's gonna be a degree crazy.

[Erickson]

A degree.

[Joe Button]

A single degree. That ain't no joke. Y' all be careful, man. Stay warm. If you ain't got no heat, head to Home Depot, get you a little space heater, man. Get that vibe. We warm, we warm. We warm. That. Y' all hold it down out there. Hold it down. In the city. Listen, man, we hope y' all enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to that little. Right, that's what I'm telling you.

[Ice]

That's the one.

[Joe Button]

I ain't know the name of it. That little is the RoboCop of Space 26, yo.

[Bender]

That little Get Busy.

[Ice]

And, yo, you're right. That's exclusive to Home Depot, yo.

[Joe Button]

And I can tell when I used.

[Bender]

To have them on job site. That little Get Busy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Nah, it ain't no joke.

[Bender]

You ain't lying.

[Joe Button]

Hopefully y' all enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you. You keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time, we bid you a due farewell. Adiosa, riva dir.

[Bender]

So long.

[Joe Button]

Goodbye. A simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this moment last as if it's all we have. And lastly, look, pull a benny for the two. You don't know about this, man. Crazy. You'll get robbed if you come in the spot when it's on. You can't. You can't come out when it's on. You can't come out when this is.

[Freeze]

On the spot with you soon, huh? I'mma come in the spot with you soon.

[Ice]

You tuck your jewelry in when it's on, huh? You tuck your jewelry in when it's on.

[Joe Button]

No, my Jerry is home in a safe, like, appreciating. How about yours?

[Bender]

See this goofy? You do what? You went from space heaters to, yo, my jewelry is home in the safe.

[Joe Button]

Appreciate it.

[Bender]

Appreciate it.

[Joe Button]

No, he asked me. I wouldn't have brought it up.

[Ice]

No, you said flip.

[Joe Button]

Where. Where yours at, though?

[Ice]

With my chain?

[Joe Button]

Your jewelry.

[Ice]

I wear mine when I'm out with your rollers. See my apple watch?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He going to get it back.

[Bender]

I'm trying to get it back for him now.

[Joe Button]

Oh, is it going?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying.

[Joe Button]

I ain't got no.

[Ice]

What I'm talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're right. You going to get it back, though.

[Ice]

I would love to get away.

[Joe Button]

Ain't playing with Freeze.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They weren't playing.

[Joe Button]

Is anybody doing anything interesting this week?

[Freeze]

No, just staying warm.

[Joe Button]

Staying in the house.

[Ice]

I got my baby birthday party. That's it. Happy birthday.

[Freeze]

I like that.

[Ice]

Freeze and I'll report back how it goes. This is the first time me and her mom are doing a birthday party together. Instead of us having our own separate part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, nice.

[Ice]

What you.

[Freeze]

What day free?

[Joe Button]

Saturday.

[Ice]

Saturday.

[Joe Button]

We'll get it. We'll go through other means, then.

[Freeze]

We'Ll.

[Joe Button]

Be there for you. You probably wasn't understanding, Corey. We could get it from you. Or we could just do this the easy way, dog. Come on, man. Cuz, I. I got some Transformers I'm bringing over here. What? Yeah. I ain't get my kid on them transform. I mean, I got to put them together now. Somebody else getting some shits together.

[Ice]

Put the Transformers together.

[Joe Button]

When my girl comes. She do that. She tough. She tough crazy. Yo, y' all hold it down, man. We love y'. All. Till next time. Please be safe. Head on a swivel level. One, two or three, you decide. Depending on your. Your tough level. And shout out Chef G. I've been in a real Chef G type shout out to Chef. You've never heard of Joe, buddy?