Episode 899 | "Gossip & Parlaying"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 899 | "Gossip & Parlaying"

Date: January 31, 2026
Host: Joe Budden
Guests/Co-hosts: Mark Lamont Hill, Demona (Don’t Call Her White Girl), Ice, Ish, Parks, Corey, Ericson
Network: The Joe Budden Network

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Episode Overview

Episode 899 of the Joe Budden Podcast opens with Joe and the crew in a jovial, high-energy mood as they assemble at the studio on an unseasonably cold day. With witty banter and plenty of classic East Coast energy, the cast dives into rap culture, the legacy and current state of hip hop, and the ongoing dynamics of podcasting vs. traditional music. Centered around a thoughtful discussion of J. Cole's new "Clue Tape" and what it means in 2026’s rap landscape, the episode also explores music business trends, beefs and bromances, new releases, and the changing roles of artists and media personalities. As always, listeners get a blend of insight, comedy, and nostalgia.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. Cold Weather Banter & Cast Catchups

• [00:00–04:54]
  Jokes about Mark not wearing a coat; Mona arriving on time; debates on why they endure the cold for group photos
  • Quote:
    "Get a coat, man." — Joe
    "The only time I was outside was for these damn pictures." — Mark
• Playful jabs at Philly's lack of "views" compared to NYC; Philly vs. New York banter

2. The 'Big Bro' Maneuver & Dating Dynamics

• [04:55–08:54]
  Discussion on the "big brother" move in male-female friendships, and the reverse:
  • How “brother/sister” terminology serves as friend-zoning or cover for clandestine relationships
  • Quote:
    “Sometimes it means I have no chance with this girl, so I’m gonna call her ‘sister.’" — Ice [03:31]
    “I've seen women bro their way into dick.” — Joe [04:31]

3. Vintage Mixtape Culture and DJ Clue’s Legacy

• [13:29–20:13]
  Tribute to DJ Clue’s impact and talk about the lost art of the street mixtape.
  • Quote:
    “Clue just don't get the respect he deserves in hip hop.” — Joe [18:13]
  • Napster, DatPiff, and how file-sharing eroded parts of the Clue era
  • Comparison of Clue’s influence to DJ Khaled: “That's the evolution of Clue.” — Ice [32:28]

4. J. Cole’s “Clue Tape” & Lyric Breakdown

• [17:33–53:01]
  In-depth reaction to J. Cole’s surprise drop with DJ Clue—rapping over classic beats, and the throwback energy.
  • Discourse about who Cole is "shooting at" (Simba, Drake, podcasters), and debates about “Big Three” fatigue
  • Quote:
    “Now the bread and butter is yapping and parlaying… commentating if you master two skills: either dick riding or hating.” — J. Cole lyrics [20:48]
    “He just raps better than everybody else.” — Mark [26:01]
  • Nostalgia for the pressure of performing on a Clue tape, and how few can still do it
  • Lively debate over Cole’s positioning after the Kendrick/Drake battles, and whether “Big Three” talk should end
  • Unpacking potential jabs at Drake (Lucian/ownership bar) and industry shots
• Discussion expands to mixtape history, blog era vs. SoundCloud era, and shifts in hip hop stardom

5. Music Business Innovations & Direct-to-Consumer Strategies

• [50:06–53:44]
  Joe and Parks praise Cole's pay-what-you-want website, D2C marketing, and launch of Ville Central message boards
  • Quote:
    “He's doing some brilliant direct-to-consumer fan marketing.” — Parks [53:38]
  • Reflection on how old-school tactics meet new tech

6. Mainstream vs. Mixtape: Fab vs. Banks Debate

• [68:23–86:24]
  The panel weighs Fabolous’ mainstream hits against Lloyd Banks’ street classics and mixtape material
  • Quote:
    “Fab’s got better features and bangers, but Banks has better albums.” — Parks [72:25]
    “Appeal matters. If the girls are there, everything else will follow.” — Joe [74:09]
  • Side discussion about why Fab never toured, despite a long career
  • Plays classic Fab/Banks records to “test” their longevity

7. New Music & R&B Updates

• [93:54–95:56]
  Quick round of reactions and recommendations:
  • Don Toliver’s new album praised as “heat”
  • Mention of new releases from The Game, Jamie Foxx, DaBaby, and a viral Uzi record

8. Regional Fashion & Timberland Culture

• [120:18–124:29]
  Light-hearted segment explaining to Mona the NYC/Philly obsession with “real” Timbs (must have the double sole/gum bottom, not “butt naked” single soles)
  • Quote:
    “If you walk around with no leather… yeah, they’re butt naked.” — Mark [121:07]
    “It say so much about your character.” — Mona [123:14]

9. Current Events: Grammys, Don Lemon Arrest, Ray J Health

• [131:13–139:03]
  • Grammy updates: Eve finally gets her Grammy for “You Got Me”; Lauryn Hill & D’Angelo planned tribute
  • Don Lemon’s (fictional) arrest while covering the Grammys, as part of a protest crackdown
  • Group discusses differences in protest, civil rights, legal strategies, surveillance, and journalism under Trump
  • Prayers for Ray J after he reveals serious health issues

10. Hip Hop Beefs, Industry Rumors, & Trends

• [175:41–184:06]
  • Joe predicts the “Sexy Red run” is over; panel compares her 12-month explosion to Fetty Wap’s meteoric but brief reign
  • Reflection on Young Thug’s post-incarceration return; questions if he can recapture momentum
  • Industry shift: “You need silver for everything,” Joe links market trends with media instability

11. Parenting Styles & Culture Segment

• [162:06–171:45]
  Mona’s “monologue” on Black parenting traditions—setting up kids for disappointment with unreachable rewards vs. incentive-based discipline
  • Panel shares personal stories about discipline, poverty, and motivation

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Grown men peddling gossip of all things—your name’s a big conversation. Max deals for Luka Doncic. … Nowadays you can make a grip commentating if you master two skills: either dick-riding or hating.” — J. Cole lyrics [20:48]
• “Clue just don’t get the respect he deserves in hip hop… this was an era to hear.” — Joe [18:13]
• “Now the bread and butter is yapping and parlaying… If you master two skills: either dick riding or hating.” — J. Cole (via Joe) [20:48]
• “Sometimes I have to remind you who I am.” — Ice [27:01]
• Fab vs. Banks: “Appeal matters. If the girls are there, everything else will follow.” — Joe [74:09]
• On new media: “He's doing some brilliant direct-to-consumer fan marketing.” — Parks [53:38]
• Fashion regionalism: “If you walk around with no leather… yeah, they’re butt naked.” — Mark [121:07]
• On the current hip hop landscape: “Do y’all think Sexy Red's run is like Fetty Wap’s run?” — Joe [177:18]
• On professional temptation: “Niggas be wanting chicks to have all the discipline in the world while temptation… but you want her to work at the spot where her boss is saying, ‘If you leave him, you get a house.’” — Joe [160:14]
• On parenting: “I’m almost disappointed in myself I haven’t run that play on my kids. ‘If you act up at school, you won’t get dinner.’ Look how much I could’ve saved.” — Demona [165:20]

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Segment Timestamps

• [00:00–10:00] – Cast arrivals; Philly vs. NYC jokes; "Big bro" & dating games
• [13:29–20:13] – DJ Clue & mixtape history; Clue’s respect in hip hop
• [17:33–53:01] – J. Cole “Clue Tape” discussion; lyric breakdowns, potential Drake subs, “Big Three” fatigue
• [68:23–86:24] – Fabolous vs. Banks: albums, hits, touring, and impact “by a hair”
• [93:54–95:56] – New music: Don Toliver, The Game, Jamie Foxx, DaBaby, Uzi
• [120:18–124:29] – “Real” Timberlands: regional codes, “butt naked” vs. proper Timbs
• [131:13–139:03] – Grammy news; Don Lemon arrest; Ray J health
• [162:06–171:45] – Parenting monologue: unreachable standards & incentives

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Tone & Highlights

• Classic JBP banter: Rapid-fire dialogue, jabs, and in-jokes
• Authentic Hip Hop Culture: Deep dives into mixtape history, real-time industry commentary
• Nostalgia & Commentary: Reminiscing seasoned with insight on current trends
• Cultural Critique: Honest takes on parenting, relationships, music business, and protest politics
• Recurring Humor: Philly vs. NY; Mark as the “teacher”; Mona’s monologues; fashion faux pas

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For New Listeners

This episode is a robust microcosm of what makes The Joe Budden Podcast essential for hip hop heads and cultural observers alike: sharp conversation, honest assessments of music and business, and the fun of watching a group of friends break down the culture’s ongoing cycles. Whether unpacking the legacy of DJ Clue, dissecting Cole’s bars, deciding between Fab and Banks, or analyzing the state of the music industry, the episode offers a blend of humor, history, and critical analysis—always keeping it real, always keeping it lively.

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Quick Reference

• Joe’s takeaway on Cole’s new tape: “It’s a win-win for hip hop, for Clue, for direct fan engagement. … It just reminds you who can still rap at a high level.” [53:03]
• Banks vs. Fab: “It’s close, but I’m going Fab... by a Mike Shorey feature.” [72:53]
• Music business innovation: “Direct-to-consumer is everything now. You can do more than streaming service math.” [51:03]
• Fashion hot take: “If you in New York, you can’t wear no butt-naked Timbs.” — group consensus [121:07]
• Cultural moment: “To be aware is to be alive.” [116:15]

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Transcript

[A]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Turn this thing on. Mic check. 12 degrees out here. Mark don't have a coat on. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. So happy y' all could be here, man. Blessed. Blessed and highly favored. Salute to that. To that man. Up top. And Corey. I still pray for him. All the atheists out there, he needed. I still pray for the atheists. I don't give a fuck what they believe. Yo, you ain't wear a coat, Mark?

[B]

Nah, I ain't need one.

[A]

My girl Mona here on time. Stop playing with us, you. Yo, when we get here on time together. Oh, my God, Mark. Get a cold, man.

[B]

I was going where I went out the door today, and I said, for what? It was three or four degrees when I got up.

[C]

I see what happened. That's a good reason.

[B]

Yeah, but I jumped right in the car. I ain't come straight here. The most time I spent outside is taking them damn pictures with y'.

[D]

All.

[E]

That's a good time for a coat.

[B]

Cold out there or just hear me out. We cannot take the pictures outside.

[C]

Nah, nah, nah. We gotta take the pictures outside.

[D]

I was so curious of why we have to take the pictures outside like I just did, you know?

[B]

Thank you, Mona.

[A]

Versus where?

[B]

I mean, only where it's not three.

[A]

Degrees when it's colder than. Versus taking them where?

[B]

Anywhere inside here where's heat. We do the same photo every time.

[C]

I ain't pocket watching, but I'm sure the gentleman spends a decent amount of money for the view.

[E]

I want to get that view on camera.

[C]

I want to utilize the view.

[A]

You're like, do you two poor Philly people know that you pay millions of dollars for that? I know y' all don't have views in Philly.

[D]

I showed the view off. I got cussed out.

[A]

They don't have views in Philadelph. You. That's why. That's. That's why they're aligned. Ben Franklin and they got whatever steps. Whatever steps Rocky was running down. Yeah, they got the steps Rocky trained on and. And Bill Cosby. Then the rest of the country took the meek intro from y'. All.

[C]

Y' all saw in the steps.

[D]

Yeah, people, but you should have seen the steps during the snow wild beautiful steps.

[A]

Why else would you go to Philly unless it's something down there and they lost the steps. And even in that when you meet the bad Philly joints, you come up top. Just come up top. She's hoping hop on that 95.

[D]

But you heard bad Philly joints.

[A]

We got you. But it's bad Philly joints out there now. And some of the audience said they'll beat it down. Don't play. Don't play with big Demona.

[C]

I know.

[D]

Please.

[B]

People been ask me if you single. I just ignore them. I go big brother mode. Just ignore him.

[D]

My.

[A]

You already know that big brother mode.

[C]

I can't believe that's still out.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Not. It's not applicable here with moan and mark, obviously. Yeah. But I can't believe that still works.

[C]

What do you mean?

[A]

Big brother had a long run.

[B]

That's a different one.

[A]

I'm not talking about y' all the.

[B]

Ones be or the one that be.

[D]

Trying to and I legit think that's like so skeptical on me.

[A]

Did start your today. Do not start your today.

[D]

I believe him, cuz I was shocked too. Is I didn't know people did brother and sister be sneaky. I did not know that sometimes that's.

[E]

Not that sometimes it means I have no chance of this girl. So I'm going call her sister.

[C]

It's a friend zone.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[D]

All the time.

[C]

But that's not what you were saying.

[D]

Oh, I do that all the time.

[C]

You were saying the niggas was using the big bro as the means to pop.

[A]

Be trying to big bro their way into some it means she's not interested.

[C]

And I don't got no shots because.

[A]

She'S blessed with beautiful eyes. Mute up while we talk about some real you you notice I don't know why you be I'm deadass.

[C]

You don't know the that's like yo, he trying to get at it. She ain't with it. So he I'm gonna take I'm not gonna take on like my little sis. And then I'm trying to be close.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yo, he doesn't get it because he's not a Scott.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

All right, well, in our next part we'll explain everything to Ish. God damn it. But yeah. I can't believe that that's still a thing.

[E]

I can't believe I should never heard of it.

[D]

I bro a quick you bro a put him right over there.

[C]

And if that if that still want to beat he going to take the bro Position and think one day he'll get out of that spot.

[E]

Correct.

[C]

That's what we talking about.

[D]

I'm doing math right now in my brain.

[A]

A lot of.

[C]

It's a lot of.

[D]

I didn't even think about that.

[A]

And when. When women initiate that, you're the bro. I've seen sometimes women try to bro their way into dick.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

What?

[A]

When women just out the blue you, that's my bro. That's my bro.

[C]

That's my bro.

[A]

They use that as a way to fend off other bitches. They use that for so many things. My wife put me on the reverse.

[E]

That can happen, too.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta be careful.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

I don't want people to know that I'm fucking this dude. Yeah, it could be that, too.

[A]

You gotta be careful out there. Shout out to the bros. Shout out to the bros out there. Listen, I'm in a really good mood. Really good mood. Happy to be here. Happy to be alive. Happy to be with my brethren here. Y' all good?

[C]

I'm good.

[E]

Excellent, excellent.

[C]

Never been better.

[A]

Good. I. I'm so glad to hear that.

[C]

For my clue.

[E]

Awesome.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Rockefeller style. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I thought about not putting this part out. I did. I was going to milk you for every penny. They wasn't there for this, man.

[B]

If you know you ain't gonna bless me. Bite your tongue like epilepsy.

[A]

Cause if it ain't no good sit back and check me Source money effortlessly Gotta expose Mike Shack. 1, 2, 1 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. From Denver to Dover I'm letting the music rock today. Man, is we talking about look this to be took Watch him now. Cats fizzing, visibly shook. I be relaxing with your wifey with.

[C]

The lights on While you still in.

[A]

The dark rapping, holding mics Wrong. I shattered him. I let my dad hit him. Dada hit him. Now they wondering what's the matter with him When I saw Thought you was Chinese the way you dug. Yo, shout out to wherever you might be listening from out.

[C]

Proud of my boys that they go.

[A]

Oh, my God, Jesus. Yo, shout out to the whole queen clue what up? Yeah, I mean, Scotty B.

[D]

What up?

[A]

Shout out to the guys and all that. They knocking the Coliseum down, man. Rest in peace. Good times over there. Hold Jamaica Ave. Yes, sir, Big horn.

[C]

I see y', all. I see y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

Word up, word up.

[D]

Yo, if it ain't G's you stuff in my pocket.

[B]

Stop it.

[D]

That.

[C]

So when I say I bust my.

[D]

Who believe it all the way on the summertime with shorts and she'll wear still every block and y' all just.

[C]

Be hostile with miners that'll bust you down faster than the cops still.

[D]

Accused stepping shot still see the chest bruise I die for my 3, 5, 4.

[C]

Whitney Youngstone give it to you like.

[D]

A with a disease they got aids.

[B]

On her lips to wish a token.

[D]

Please if you want it in the bed.

[B]

Call a mama let her know the.

[C]

Skirt all my seven at the end in the street much more richer I'm.

[B]

Much more hungrier much more hostile and.

[A]

Much more quicker whole New York City what up, what up? Big jersey, big Jersey, whole Philly too, I guess Philly, I guess yummy, be more whole DMV out there, everybody, the.

[B]

Carolinas what up, what up, what up, you?

[C]

Three strikes, then it's my back.

[B]

You better chill, you know what I mean?

[D]

Oops.

[A]

Go grab a little bite for something.

[B]

Y' all take it easy. Look at my attorney, you can see why I got a pill look at my chain, you can see why I got the chills look at the rims hard to see why I got the wheels and your monies as long as who, shorty? I got guns in my closets as long as you this play is on the street I'm either in some hottie or in somebody this player on repeat now everybody getting sprayed and if I.

[C]

Take off this durag, you understand why.

[B]

Everybody getting brave Keep the fiends gnawing in the street and chicks between my lap looking like they gnawing to the beat My team being a stretch on skinnies and weaving down with taking up.

[C]

A bitch and 24 I'm still hot.

[B]

Still God digging that'll bring it to your front door like Jill Scott please don't mind me I'm poster style looking at Brooklyn's pretty th poster child I.

[C]

Rob the Technum Arena Mommy got me.

[B]

About the rector Medina way she peck on the wiener don't let me see.

[C]

You be squealing I have strangers in.

[B]

Your house and you'll know how to.

[A]

Me be feeling Send that boy right back in the booth to add these bars I ain't going to lie to you. I remember, I remember like it was yesterday. Yeah, you had it a lot. I must have ate. That. Came back with a vengeance. Don't worry, I promise you I'm starred. Give me a minute, give me a minute, give me a minute. Got beat with a jack getting punked for the bottom bunch sleeping with bags.

[B]

Now I keep the gun tucked in my Levi's your proposed 9 cheat on.

[A]

That marry my man Like T bot cat said they had paints before the rap come around and don't show like little caskets. Y' all want to rap now about two damiscus. Y' all want to write about some.

[B]

Dudes that did it. Joe Button different from the mother dudes that's frigid I get around like to.

[A]

Travel, like to have my P. Like to add the. Just sit back, man. Everybody just sit back, man. Just chill, man. Yo, you got an L. Go ahead and light it.

[B]

Yo, we can't stay alive forever.

[A]

If you want to go get you a little glass of wine or something, it's 11am somewhere. If you with your family doing family. If you in the gym right now, you in the airport right now. Yeah, wherever you at, you on the road, you edit the work. Everybody get to it. The only thing left now is toast for these cowards I got no friends.

[B]

Most of these cowards. Like your queen Latifah Vehicles long enough to stash the street sweeper the can get ugly and in the masterpiece Sliding.

[C]

Through the ruckers with Prado on the.

[B]

Chuckers so the spring break hoes home from college when the knowledge on them.

[A]

Sucker a sick rock Everybody on the west coast what up, what up, what.

[B]

Up, what up, Detroit?

[A]

What's going on out there?

[B]

I'm a break for I lay in the floor buried Besides. Smoking by the big screen and changing the channel looks like.

[C]

Reach and I.

[B]

Put a dot on your head like.

[A]

It'S part of your religion While I.

[B]

Party with a pigeon I'm blowing a 10 cause push handing out flyers for.

[C]

A party in the prison I'm in the Gucci vest.

[A]

We got a great show lined up for you today. I promise, I promise.

[B]

Like a cotton egg.

[A]

I don't got.

[B]

Long hair if I did, she popp my braids.

[A]

Just find out what club they at. Take them with us. Run a drain on them like a subway mat. You know, Vance is a great acra.

[B]

See these record labels got most artists getting like the gay rapper.

[A]

Next to Wallace is chicot.

[B]

Keep the ammo clean, text polished in.

[A]

The drawer Cameras by the hampers that monitor the floor.

[B]

By now you probably heard of me.

[A]

Fresh out of surgery, flashy as the you going have to murder me. You match now, Pac. Hey, I love you. When you disappear, catch me on the.

[C]

Boat we smoking, fishing When I talk.

[A]

See Notes from different years I'll be glad to snatch you I send cards to your cribs like a cabinet now when he said that left him alone. When he said that, I might have went and put my notebook up somewhere. God damn glad to snatch you. We send cars to your crib like a cab dispatcher. Oh, my goodness. Grape. I left him alone at least for another eight months after that. All right, man, let's get right to it with no further ado. Actually, hold up. What episode is this?

[E]

899.

[A]

Welcome to episode 899 of the JBP. I'm Joe Budden. You're happy to be here, grateful and gracious host here with some really amazing people. This episode is brought to you by Fueled By Power, by Prize Picks, Prize Fix, gang.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, man. Next to me, you already know the vibes. Philly's finest. Don't call her white girl. Big Demona is in the building. Looking fantastic. Might I say.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Looking beautiful. Anything hidden? Stop playing with her. Next to her, Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in the building. Sleepless in Seattle himself. You got some sleep? You got some rest?

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

Mark.

[C]

Eyes.

[A]

It's all in the eyes, Mark.

[C]

I saw him in the elevator this morning.

[B]

It was like.

[A]

No, it's all in the eyes. He still ain't removed the cult out of. You can see it in his eyes when he gets sleepy, he turned into some other shit.

[C]

He ain't removed the cult.

[E]

He got the cult out of the.

[A]

Colt in his eye, like when he get tired.

[C]

That's cold crazy.

[A]

Yeah, go back to some wade and water. Next to him, our good brother, Mr. Thousand Doors and Up. That's that Ish. Velvet Scullies. Stop playing with him. Yo, this ain't a regular cotton Scully. It's velvet. My boy galore. Velvet Scully. Big Ish. Antoine is in the building.

[B]

Man, I feel rich.

[A]

Ish. How you feeling, my brother?

[C]

I'm good, yo.

[A]

Good, good, good. Next to him, the freeziest of them all. Big Freeze in the building. Ice, how you doing?

[C]

I'm great, man. My baby birthday today.

[A]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Ari. We love you. I would give you a nice stack of money, but I can't trust your parents. Oh, shit, I can't. Everybody know them parents. Will you give it to them? It goes in the black hole, Ari. I love you, King Elmyra. Big Parks is in the building. It's my pops. Hey, hey, shout to Pops. Take that Ish. We ain't anti white nigga. Mute up. We not anti white. Mute up. Ish. Happy birthday to Park's dude. Dad, you talking about. And Big Po is in the building. Corey is in the building Ericson is here. Tanner and Savona here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people out there are here also. Shout out to the hey, listeners. Couldn't have gotten here without y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

Love every minute of your time. Thank you, thank you. Thank you for the encouragement. Now, where was I? Man, let's get right to it Ain't no time to waste when is rapping.

[D]

Man ain't nothing else to do Wild lane top down screaming not them n came up from the mud puddles Then it all changed Living ghetto fab like my brother named Paul Kane Somewhere along the way I hate to say we lost shame Grown men peddling gossip of all things I remember when it was rapping a ball playing now the bread and butter is yapping and parlaying oh, man, your name's a big conversation Max deals for Luka Doncic Lobbing and ain't though nowadays you can make a grip commentating if your master two skills either dick riding or hating.

[C]

Just look who.

[A]

I'm starting this over. Yeah, go ahead.

[C]

Yeah, let's go.

[A]

I'm starting this over. By the time he hit that. Oh, man. I was like, oh, man. Hey, I was saying it too. I was saying it too. No, I'm playing this again, man. I'm so happy for Clue. I'm so happy for Clue, man, We gonna set this shit off. I've been saying for weeks, it's about fucking time. I've been saying for months. I've been saying for y' all know how I feel. Yes, some years. Yeah, I've been saying this. I've been on this. Clue just don't get the fucking respect that he deserves in hip hop. I think a large part of that is due to Limewire, Napster and Drama going to jail. Yeah.

[E]

Fair.

[A]

So, you know, that's like so many of ours. Our Dat Piff history is gone. Whatever we were doing before Soundcloud to on some just getting Lucy's out there, that is gone.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

This game has taken off and are getting millions for selling their catalog. And it's just like an ocean of joints that are going. And part of that is the Clue legacy. And now the kids have gotten old and they think that Clue is some radio dj, right?

[C]

Yeah. They just don't know.

[E]

And we've seen Capri get his shine on on Kendrick. We've seen Drama get his shine from the various shits he's done and the Tyler project on the main street level.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

So it's Nice to see Clue get his.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm not.

[A]

I'm not gonna lie. This it's overdue. This was an era to hear. To hear him shout out Paul Kane.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I felt was important to me even.

[E]

Just the way, I mean we skipping a little bit but like the way that he was rapping was like on some 04.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

You know what I'm saying? Like the style in which he approached these beats.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Was like throwback vibe.

[B]

Any.

[A]

Any guesses as to why all bad boy beats?

[C]

I never even thought.

[E]

How do you think about that?

[C]

I never even thought about that.

[E]

I think it's just a nerve.

[A]

Think about it for a little bit. Let's get back.

[E]

Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

Think about it for a little bit. Let's get back. Man. So glad y' all could be here with us today. Man. Shout to the first and last time listeners.

[D]

Culture, culture Ferrari of lamb truck switching.

[C]

Wild la top dance Charlene came up.

[D]

From the mud puddles Then it all changed Living ghetto fab like my brother named Paul Kane. Somewhere along the way I hate to say we lost shame grown men peddling gossip of all things I remember when it was rapping the ball playing now the bread and butter is yapping and.

[A]

Parlaying oh man, your name's a big.

[D]

Conversation Max deals for Luka Doncic Lobbing and ain't though nowadays you can make a grip commentating if you master two skills either dick riding a hating Just look around the hating and the dick riding is blata.

[A]

Don't think he was talking about me by the way. Don't think that for me nothing brings that like drama.

[D]

You might wanna personally I don't write comments, I write commas. Withdrawals from pictures to pin Draws the fall off they wanna know if this is the end all be all to this rap game. He's trained in CPR whole new breed for those that wonder who he think he is that thunder ignite to wake up the sleepy heads Just when you thought that your boy was completely dead Boom walked out that tomb like Matthew said that Jesus did With the whole game on his shoulders not even straining or I can spin around my fingers and bowl it When I write it's like I'm guided by the angels I notice it's like the ghost of Christopher Wallace and Cayman and roll it first change of Maine and it's goaded never once it's fame been a motive far from it respect first next up my net worth the best verse belongs to the nigga that she live in her Bronx Zoo. I stomped through on some King Kong shit.

[C]

Long ding dong shit.

[A]

Pause.

[C]

I rinsed off the sauce.

[D]

Y' all got lost. False flaws and dog is exhausting, right? I hate to rapper like I'm Charleston White. Give author writers to authors. It's hard to write as hard as the God.

[A]

I ain't gonna lie at this point, he peeved.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

This whole.

[E]

He was.

[A]

He's annoyed at.

[E]

Boy, he saw that podcast and he's.

[A]

Like, now hold up, y podcasters out there. The rest of y', all, the rest y' all been talking so much.

[C]

And.

[A]

He heard y' all did like it. He didn't like it one bit. By the time I finish these joints, I'm going see if I'm brave enough to shoot at some of you too. Cuz I agree with them. Look what y' all did. Look what y' all did, man. Y', all, y'. All. Yeah, it was them.

[B]

It was definitely them.

[A]

But now this is why he's confusing. Before I play the rest of this. This is track one on this. It did sound like he opened up with some fire for all of the podcasters and engagement influencer people that have been running their mouths. Yeah, right. And he sound annoyed by it. But then later on, he loves it, right? He absolutely loves it.

[E]

I think it's the last bar on the table.

[A]

And we know he loves that.

[C]

You could like it.

[A]

And still like he said, yo, if you know, if you've been. If you follow, if you know anything about this, you know that he's had happy that retired rappers or older rappers get to do that. Like, I believe him. I take him at his word. But I guess you could still shoot.

[C]

I could be happy y' all got this. And y' all still piss me off.

[A]

Y still for running y' all mouths, gossiping on couches.

[E]

Gossiping, parlaying, gossiping, parlay.

[C]

Yeah, I ain't like that.

[A]

That's all it is.

[E]

Parlay.

[A]

Vibing right as hard as the God does y' all T oh, wait. Shooting at Simba.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Simba is online acting like he's shooting at him.

[E]

I didn't catch it.

[C]

He is shooting at him.

[A]

Let's hear he as hard as the.

[D]

God does y' all t me stop bothering me. Young Simba some threw some hate my way. But only thing that they just say is call you like a father to me.

[E]

Oh, he's been call himself Simba for.

[C]

No, no, no, no. We not doing that.

[A]

Follow the rest of play Simba's control.

[C]

And you will hear how he shot it.

[A]

Cole. Cole heard it.

[C]

He listened. And Cole ain't the type to get on the Internet. I'm going to address you when I'm ready to. And he's ready. He's talking directly to him.

[A]

And even if the young Simba part is in reference to himself, everything around. Yeah, it's not. But everything around. Let's go to author, writers, the authors.

[D]

As hard to write, as hard as the God does. Y' all toddlers to me stop bothering me.

[C]

Who is a toddler to Jermaine, Stop bothering me.

[A]

And you're annoying. You're being a nuisance. Whoever he's talking to, sue, you're being a jerk. You are disrupting his study time.

[E]

A lot of this is shoe fits to me, but maybe.

[A]

No, no, I got you. Wait, wait. I agree with you. I think a lot of shit on here is shoe fits. Yeah, I think some of it ain't.

[C]

Okay, I got you. Don't worry about it.

[D]

Y' all toddlers to me stop bothering me.

[A]

Young Simba. Some niggas threw some hate my way.

[D]

But only thing that they just say is cold you like a father to me the top ain't really what I.

[C]

Thought it would be.

[D]

And so I jumped off and landed back in the bottom and restarted at a level where I wasn't regard.

[A]

Thoughts? Thoughts.

[E]

Absolutely.

[A]

Let's stop it for a second and talk. I'm in such a great mood. Mona, the origin of this show is this. I know, I know. You think, like, we off script, we bugging. We ain't talking and we ain't joking. And listen, the start of this. Oh, I missed the start.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Let's get back to the essence.

[A]

We're here.

[B]

We're here.

[A]

Not doing it for free, though. Now, let's get. Let's take it back. No, Casper, let's take it back to the roots. But, like, let's slow down. Self help ass. Let's not get crazy. Oh, my Lord. Thoughts?

[D]

Nice.

[B]

First.

[A]

Yeah, when I hear.

[B]

I just be like, yo, he just raps better than everybody else. Like, that's. That's the first thing I thought when I heard. When I was listening to this. He just rapping his ass off. But also, you could tell he been holding some shit in that he been waiting to get. Get off. And I just love hearing him. Hearing him go at.

[E]

See, I don't even think he's been holding shit in. I think he. This is fairly new. It sounds like he's even talking about, yo, it's cold as fucking New York. It's sn. It sounds like he was just like, you know what?

[B]

I got time.

[E]

Queue up these beats, man.

[C]

Again. But I'm also had shit. I'm gonna play.

[A]

No, you are not. We are not saying Dennis Rodman during the.

[C]

Derek. We sit here being like, we don't know who he talking about or is he. Is he not me?

[A]

And you are telling Parks.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

All right, well, what I'm saying is, like, my initial thoughts. I hear clue, I see the COVID Love the COVID I'm like, oh, I know what you. I have Blizzard 96 in my phone.

[A]

So I'm like, oh, you always lying. Nice. I'm joking with you. I'm joking with you.

[C]

Sometimes I gotta remind you who I am.

[A]

I know who you are.

[C]

Sometimes I have to remind.

[A]

Stop playing with Freeze.

[C]

You know, that intro wouldn't have happened earlier if it wasn't for me.

[A]

That's a fact. That's a fact. And me. Cause I rapped it.

[C]

But. But I'm just saying. He didn't have you.

[A]

What? My point was.

[E]

He didn't have you.

[C]

I'm automatic. He didn't have you.

[E]

He didn't have you.

[A]

I'm automatically.

[C]

I'm automatically looking at it like, oh, you're setting a bar extremely high.

[B]

For what, the album?

[E]

For the field, or for himself?

[C]

No, no, no, no. For what I'm about to hear.

[E]

Got it. Okay.

[C]

Like, you're building anticipation for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All right. You got Clue. You got the COVID I hear Victory. Yeah. Oh, we know what was done to.

[E]

Victory a couple times.

[C]

Exactly. So it's automatically going to be a comparison whether you want to or not.

[A]

We'll talk about banks a little later. But that's still in the shrine somewhere.

[B]

To me, Banks still open.

[A]

That banks. Victory is in a shrine somewhere.

[C]

Oh, yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

A separate part of the cemetery.

[C]

Agreed. That's what. So if I hear you start, y'.

[A]

All got to take. You know, you go to graveyard, you try to see a few people, but sometimes somebody. It's a little walk.

[C]

It's a big.

[A]

It's a long walk before we start.

[C]

You got to get in the car.

[A]

I was there for that. The MCs were afraid.

[C]

But that's my point. But anyway, so hearing Victory, I'm like, oh, wow, we know you.

[A]

You.

[C]

You got some big shoes to fill. If you choosing this beat and choosing.

[A]

It first, you reminded me of another point. I. I want to say that I forgot about earlier. Yeah. There's a sea of songs in the ocean somewhere. But another part is none of you can do it anymore.

[E]

That part.

[C]

They can't, bro.

[A]

Y' all can't do it.

[C]

Can't do that.

[E]

Yeah, not many.

[C]

They don't even.

[E]

It's only a handful.

[C]

Want to try to do it?

[E]

There's only a handful.

[A]

They can't do it.

[C]

They can't do it.

[A]

I respect. There's a few that. That rap at a high level for their level, and they go give it a puncher shot. I appreciate that. Oh, you like rapping? Go ahead and rap. Get it off. A lot of you that go over there to the 106. What's the power?

[C]

Power. Yeah, A lot of y' all on the radar. All of them.

[A]

Yeah, a lot of y'. All. You're giving it your best. Hey, hurrah. I think that's great. But it ain't a Clue Tape, fam. And before we even finish now. Now I'm getting now a Clue tape.

[E]

Get your shit off here.

[D]

Go ahead.

[C]

Yeah, you the perfect person, you, Honor.

[A]

Understand the fucking pressure of a Clue tape. First of all, you couldn't just get.

[C]

On a Clue tape at all.

[A]

Yeah. You couldn't just get a record deal. Think you could rap, be hot on your block and get on a Clue tape? That wasn't happening. You had to be like a dog. Like a dog, dog. A dog. Fab was probably going to get the first slot because. Cause business is business. But shit, when he did, Kiss is getting the first slot. A new lock. You sandwiched. You are being sandwiched behind niggas, yo.

[C]

Yeah, that was Killers.

[A]

Yeah. Sometimes I wouldn't mind being track 13 and 14 and even that. You not home free.

[C]

No. He's surrounding you with some shit down there.

[A]

And Clue would. And Clue such a. He would never tell you what he had for the tape either. That's.

[C]

That's kind of crazy.

[A]

He wouldn't tell you what he had for the tape. He would just be like, all right, did you do your thing? Because Kiss. Kiss was in the. In the stew last night with us. Just dropped something like, huh? Did I do my thing? All right, let me go hear my. Hear my again. But Abby Hood was in a frenzy. Jersey City swore I was a multi millionaire off of Clue Tapes. Clue Tapes went around. This is back to just appreciating things regionally. Yeah, this is a big, like, tri state type of.

[C]

Culturally significant for our upbringing. When I heard the who, like, different people don't.

[B]

So young again, bro.

[C]

That came with a haircut. Honestly, bro. A haircut a Sergio Chini car wash.

[A]

That was a time capsule.

[D]

So y' all the rappers that's on the tape wouldn't hear everybody else verse till it come out.

[A]

No, no, bro.

[C]

This was. It was something. It's a movement. But that went to my point. Like when X and them was on they climb dog. You had to deal with all of them. Remember we had the argument. We ain't argue, but it was a point going around about the 50 cent X and all of that. And they chopped it up, bro. You had to deal with all of that. Some of these didn't have record deals. They still was killers.

[A]

Yeah, you had to deal with that.

[C]

It wasn't no gimmicks. It wasn't no melodies. It wasn't. You had to get on a table and rap using words. It wasn't no harmonizing the music. Marketing save you the hook.

[D]

Save you.

[E]

Wasn't no post on Instagram to make.

[C]

It look fly dance. You had to be a shark, man.

[E]

Well manicured content to make the record look hotter than it is.

[C]

Nope.

[E]

With the HD cameras and good lighting.

[C]

No, it wasn't that.

[A]

Like, I feel like Clue should be selling like a voice pack, like. Or ad lib kit. Yeah. Like some AI.

[E]

They should hire Clue to do it.

[C]

Yeah, they should. Yeah.

[A]

Well, yeah, yeah. But no, you could sell more of the fucking pack.

[B]

Nah, bro.

[C]

You think there's a coward if there's no Clue?

[A]

Do I think there is?

[C]

I don't think there's not a lot of these. If there's no Clue.

[A]

I think there's a Khaled.

[C]

I think that's the evolution of Clue.

[E]

Khaled was a rattling, by the way. He just wasn't the cow that we.

[C]

Cow was around as a radio DJ back then.

[B]

That's the temple.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? He is the temple.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And what separates Clue, I mean, from. Cause Flex put out a album before work.

[C]

A lot of them, but Clue was producing Capri.

[A]

All of them.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Clue was producing. Duro was mixing. Listen, man, Chef Kiss to. To. To JCole.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Shout out to Duro, man. Miss you and I love you. For jcole to do this and go this route. Yeah. It ain't a lot of. It ain't a lot of people that good.

[E]

Not at all.

[D]

Just to climb past them again and.

[C]

Tell them all to keep up.

[D]

I love it, truly. I'm aging backwards in the sandboxes. I play with trappers the case pop like Asian rappers the bullets grazing afros piercing through front Doors and left holes in a baby mama's favorite bathroom Knowing.

[A]

Was home I'm so in the zone.

[D]

Might wake up at four in the moon Start morning left in your place.

[C]

And going alone Creep to your room Put four in your dome if your.

[D]

Girl scream tell the queen Lower your.

[A]

Tone A matter of fact go on.

[D]

Your phone Add me on IG I.

[A]

Used to be top seed Apology Drop me way out of the top three, no problem probably my best when they doubt me, watch me so that was.

[E]

That rhyme scheme is vintage.

[A]

Give, give it to me, give it.

[C]

Give it to Love the. The words. Right. I love like it. It was dope. But I don't want to hear you. I don't even want to hear you talk about this. This top three, big three, no more. I see.

[A]

To me, he's.

[E]

He's setting it up. He's making the narrative about the fall off being the fall off.

[A]

He.

[C]

He's.

[E]

This is orchestrated what's happening right now. The album the fall off has been playing for years and years. This all just kind of worked perfectly in that narrative. If I was top three now I'm out because, ah. He's playing into it right here.

[C]

I get it. I just don't to hear it.

[E]

It's brilliant to me.

[B]

So you don't want him to address the situation at all?

[C]

Fam, move past that.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I don't need to hear nothing about. I want to get as far away from that battle and everything that happened in that battle as possible.

[E]

I agree with you on that.

[C]

I'm just over it.

[E]

He got to get his off, though.

[C]

He say, but I think you got your off at the apology. That's how I'm treating you. You removed yourself. You deleted the song. You apologize. You want nothing to do with this. Cool. We accept that.

[A]

All wrong.

[C]

You accept all wrong. Everybody didn't accept wrong. Yeah, I accept that. I don't want to hear that.

[A]

That battle birthed a lot of things with. I mean, if I'm taking him out of work.

[C]

But.

[A]

But his friendships.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So at this point, we not on the battle anymore. We on that happened from the battle. He's made himself clear that he don't give a. And want to talk about that battle. So he don't. So when he says the top three and all this. I'm not taking. Taking it as this is more battle talk. One, two. I know there are people that feel like ice and don't really want to hear certain things from J. Cole. I am not one of those people. I still want him to pop his shit. I still want him to talk like the baddest nigga on the planet. Go ahead, get it all off. Long as it ain't directly directed to nobody. Like we just broadly saying, then, please, I don't want to strip one of the greatest rappers in the world of the ability that helps him to be. To be one of the greatest rappers in the world.

[B]

Especially if he's not talking about. I could see if he was still saying, I'm top three or I'm at the top and he fucked these dudes. Cause to me, you lost that privilege when you bowed out. But he's literally saying, I know what I did. That's why I'm not in people's top three. I'm okay being the underdog. To me, that's perfectly appropriate, especially with a fall off. With the album's theme is the fall off.

[D]

Can I ask you a question? Did you not like the apology in itself? Did they that irritate you, that whole thing?

[C]

No, no, no. I. I wasn't. Initially, I was just like, yo, what the. But after seeing how the battle played out, I understand Cole's point. We all understood. Like, yo, cool. I don't want y' all getting ready to get dirty like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't want no parts of that. So I respect that. He could walk away with his sanity, his mental health. I don't gotta. With none of this.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So I'm. That's not my point. I'm just saying I like Cole rapping. I'm the best area. I. I like, I want him to continue that. You don't have to talk about Big three or even mention Big three to do that, though. I could still feel I'm the best. Maybe I don't want to do the direct battle with somebody because of the potential. It could get dirty or ugly. And I don't want to get in the mud with y', all, but I still think I rap better than everybody. I don't have to one on one engage and make this songs to say that I'm better than you, though. So if that's the case, cool. I just don't want to hear you do no more Big three. Talk talk, period.

[A]

Just.

[C]

Just say you the best.

[D]

You're just over it.

[C]

Yeah, I'm over it. You say you the best and that's it. When I hear him say big three, top three.

[A]

But to the people that feel like that, like, what I think is, if you never hear the big three again, cuz I hear That's a new thing out there. Ain't no more Big Three. A.

[E]

No more big Three talking point.

[A]

Guess what, you guys, If y' all never hear the big Three again, there's a big three, right? If. If each one of them. Them never say that, guess what? It still exists. No. Why?

[E]

Etched in stone.

[A]

There were. There. There were reasons, and there are reasons. And I think a big part of what the.

[B]

Of.

[A]

Of what's underneath. Some of the public saying we don't want to hear that Big three no more is. Is a. Is a fear that exists because there's nobody else out there that looks like they're taking that mantle and. And they're about to do that with it. Of course, you have your exceptions that the young people are rolling with, which is NBA, YoungBoy, and whoever they are. Like, there's people out there that are doing great. But, you know, this week I've been having back and forth with people about the blog era, which I'm just not gonna do because I was there for the blog era and participated in it.

[B]

I saw you clapping back a little bit. I was surprised you even did that.

[A]

Because I'm not gonna debate. I'm not gonna debate with these people. And Moon Music 3. We put out CDs. We put out CDs for a reason. Because the blog era had not just taken off, but 07 is. I'm only talking about 07. I think my words got misconstrued. The blog error is one of the greatest errors. It's proven to be that I'm only talking about people overstating what it was in 2007. But in my back and forth.

[C]

I want to go back to that when you first.

[A]

But in my back and forth with people, what I got to remembering and appreciating and just loving about and reminiscing about that particular era was all of the stars that came from that era.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're. They were undeniable. Like, it wasn't niche. These were Drake in 08.09. Colon.

[C]

Oh, nine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kendrick.

[C]

Kendrick Wale Wiz. Currency. Yeah.

[A]

Like, there was nothing that the general public could do.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

There was nothing that the public. It was rocky for sure. The whole. Asap. Yeah. Actually. Yeah.

[C]

The whole collective.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Future.

[A]

The music business, the executives, the radio stations, the stores, the mom and pops. Like, that's what I'm saying. In 07, like, me was like fighting, putting joints on. By 09, 010, 2011, the industry had now acquiesced to what was going on. And no matter who's successful today. I don't think the general public feels like. Like they have three or four people that you can easily see what the next 20 years in hip hop looks like, right?

[C]

No, there's no far.

[A]

That's what system really anymore.

[E]

That was the farm system.

[C]

I think that's by design too, though, bro. Like, if you.

[A]

If the labels.

[C]

Even if people say labels are dying off, whatever, they still got a grip. They got. Got a control on this. If there is no big three or. Or big four, big five, whatever, there's no top people, we kind of get to control the field a little bit better.

[A]

See, I. I think the label should always want stars. I think the music business would always want stars.

[C]

I'm not saying stars. I'm just saying them, those ones. Because now you have the risk of. Especially with all the information out today.

[A]

They ran the SoundCloud, took every star off of SoundCloud and then SoundCloud went bankrupt.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, bro, think or not just that wherever the stars are star, the music business is going to go get all of the people.

[C]

We just don't. We don't want two or three of them.

[E]

They don't want to put all the eggs in the basket of one star when they can get 10 stars that maybe all added cumulatively can be the.

[C]

One star and that one star gets some information and now it's powerful and don't. And I want to play hardball with y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

And I'm Even reminded while JCole is talking that I'm a. I'm a father to you type. I was like, oh, like when he said that, it was a age reminder.

[C]

For me because you remember when he was a new. Well, Jacob, he's about our age, a.

[E]

Couple years younger, which is a little bit younger than you. Like, he's not that far.

[A]

It's not an age thing.

[B]

How long you been.

[A]

It's not.

[C]

It's not.

[A]

It's not. It's not based on age. But when he says that, that's the other thing. Like whoever the next person is or the new people are going to be. I mean, does the public feel like you gonna get a run as long as J. Cole, Drake, Kendrick. Kendrick Wale, Sean Meek, Rocky. Just who these people at, huh?

[C]

No.

[A]

Oh, man. Anyway. Come on. I'm sorry, y'.

[E]

All.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry, y'. All. I'm rambling. Here we go. But I'm excited. Sorry. I feel good. Sorry that I'm in a good mood and love music, y'. All.

[D]

Code of truth got they throw the nuisance grip never letting nothing on their hooping nah, I'm on top, you can't knock me off my spot Yachts I won't stop till the boats who cruise ship so the whole world knows who got the gold acoustics only then will I split like I co produced it Lot of rappers make dote and be prone to lose it for crumbs dumb so they sold a Lucian universal distribution but I own the music best nigga still breathing leaving no confusion hop on every song, abuse it, catch bodies for my own amusement cheating and I won't excuse it if I said it then I wrote it stupid I'm a star like the logo on my shoes but this ain't no Converse nah, girl, they golden gooses a nice fella but the flows is ruthless and the culprits 26 were the closest you get to hope is hope meals roll cold and seem more beef than them folks at Ruth Chris teach a man how to fish and the lesson is this, without a pole, you're useless.

[A]

Catch my drift? That was pretty clever. Yeah, that was pretty clever.

[E]

That was dope.

[A]

And a quick 12 minutes of. Of this, too. Like, he didn't. Odd.

[E]

He didn't.

[A]

He didn't try to, like, find a dope idea and then overdo it and.

[C]

Beat it to death.

[A]

Quick five joint, four joints. Then at the end of. Whatever Ice sent me was all of those together. And I let it rock.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I let it rock.

[C]

That. That's cool. That's.

[B]

That's how.

[C]

When it was digitized.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It was side A dot MP3.

[E]

Yep.

[C]

Side B dot MP3.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

The whole tape. I love. Again.

[A]

He.

[C]

He checked all the boxes for. He did for. For making it a clue. A clue tape. I. I wasn't really on this one.

[E]

What do you mean?

[A]

This freestyle?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, yeah. This is probably my least favorite. I like the Lucian Lucian Bar freestyle.

[B]

The overall project.

[C]

I don't love the overall project like everyone else does.

[E]

Really.

[C]

I love victory. That was fire. I don't. I don't love the overall project the way everyone else does.

[A]

Again.

[C]

But part of it is because I know what happened on them beats.

[A]

It's not.

[C]

It may.

[A]

Ice is such an elitist.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. Listen. You chose these beats for a reason. You know? What happened to these beats? You know, like, same thing I said about victory. You're setting a very hard bar, a very high bar that you might not even be able to reach.

[E]

See, I love it. Cause it just brings Me back to a time. I don't. I don't. And I think he showed up in bodied.

[A]

And it's him appreciating the time, which is.

[C]

That's a really. I can appreciate that really respectful thing to go find a clue. Like, that's the thing. Mimic. That is a ode to hip hop. And that's why Jcole is bigger than.

[A]

Anybody that was on a Clue tape. With the exception of three people. He's bigger than. All he need to do is be himself to his audience and rap to the best of his ability. Ability. And for his people, it's gonna hit like, hey, I don't even think his.

[C]

People gonna appreciate this properly.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I don't think so.

[B]

How old they are?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So the younger fans may not.

[C]

Yeah, they're not gonna appreciate.

[B]

I get what Ice is saying when you. When you choose certain beats. You saying I'm here to compete at that level. It's like when you choose a blues song or whatever song to sing over, like certain. So you do a standard.

[A]

A standard.

[B]

You gotta. You gotta. You gotta get busy with the standard.

[A]

Right?

[E]

I think he did, though.

[B]

I do too.

[C]

That's why I He disagree.

[B]

I don't know if you have to. I don't know if you have to beat.

[A]

No, you play. You playing at the Garden. Like, you need to have a good game at the Garden. You don't need to do what Willis Reed, what Walt Frazier did or what Colby did, but you go into the Garden, you need to do you at the Garden. I think he did a great job of that. I'm with you. This second. The second freestyle is not my favorite out the pack.

[E]

Well, it's first and the fourth. I don't remember all the names.

[B]

Is that Bronx? Which one is Bronxville?

[A]

Is the first one. First one.

[B]

She's the best one by far. Yeah, easily.

[E]

Last one was fire too. What is that called? 99 build.

[B]

I think I like all of them, but.

[E]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

All right, well, since Ice don't love that one, let's get to the. What you think of this one? Freeze.

[C]

It was cool.

[A]

I orbit the earth Whenever I'm recording.

[D]

A verse When I'm ready to drop steady going to report a play my album for the corpse in a hearse it's so loud the flow can make the rhythm water so the water reverse these lookin's reckless Trying to disrespect the lord of the church get disconnected from your sources like the cord at your birth from an alternate dimension I got lost inside of this one.

[A]

Now I'm walking around and looking for a portal that works.

[D]

But all of the perks around me make it harder to search the tormented poet. I know I'm making more than I'm worth At one time my neck and wrist was happening so much.

[A]

I ain't gonna front. I need to bring my music show back. I have way too much fun just playing music that I love. I know that this is a podcast and we do have to talk at some point, but, boy, am I having a blast. I like the little change that they.

[E]

Made in the beat.

[B]

You said you said the wrong thing I thought you was gonna say, when you hear this, it made you want to start rapping again.

[A]

Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.

[C]

How the do you hear this and.

[B]

Not want to rap again? It made me want to rap.

[A]

Yo, you know the era I come from.

[C]

You know what he did to this beat?

[A]

Yeah. J. Cole, don't get me out of bed.

[C]

Do you know what Joe Button did to this beat?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Why would he need to rap? That's my point, though. That's. That's. This is why I say it's just cool.

[A]

Now listen to this new. Oh, what a time.

[B]

Can't you see the glint on the.

[A]

Pebbles that sit on the bezel?

[B]

Money power the first time when they.

[A]

Try to knock down the towers the first time. And the only reason I'm talking about it is so you know the real talk of New York's about it. Oh, my God. Good times.

[C]

So. So my problem. Cole did Cole on. On these beats. He rapped. Well, he rapped. No.

[B]

Well.

[C]

Well, he rapped exceptionally well.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.

[C]

I'm not. I'm not dissing him for the rapping. These beats. Caught for something else, though, because I know what happened to these beats. You picked these beats.

[B]

You don't score in the garden. You. You MJ55 in the garden.

[C]

You have. You have to. If you. You take Whitney Houston. Well, if you take Dolly Parton song and then you see what Whitney Houston did to it.

[B]

We're not doing this.

[C]

No, I'm just giving you an example. And now you go sing over it and you cover it again. Yeah, you gotta bring your.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Remember that.

[A]

You know I hate that example. Dolly Parton. Give me that slap. You wasn't doing nothing.

[C]

I know, but you're giving it to.

[A]

The greatest singer of all time. Arguing.

[C]

And I said, now if you go cover.

[A]

I'm asking one of the current greats to take from that went.

[C]

I didn't Ask him to take nothing from these. Ice is saying you just went behind Whitney. Not you went behind Dolly, you went behind Whitney. So when you go behind Whitney, you gotta go crazy.

[A]

All right? No Dreamville tickets for you. No tickets to dream. You're done. You're done, buddy. You thought you were gonna sit on the grass and hear it's over for you, man. JCole. Great job.

[D]

Job.

[E]

Want to talk about the business of this, Cuz I love the business of this as much as I love the music of this.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Website.

[E]

The website which crash.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Pay what you want. And then as soon as you buy it, it pops up and says, yo, buy the f. The fall off for another $15.

[B]

It's brilliant.

[E]

Absolutely brilliant. And I'm very, very curious to see what the. What this fall off. If he does it direct to consumer.

[B]

I didn't think he was.

[C]

I think he might do all.

[A]

All.

[C]

Like he might drop to consumer.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, it already is clearly available for sale on the website. I'm just wondering how that's going to play in with the actual drop date.

[C]

Or would.

[A]

Would.

[C]

How would they compile all the numbers and the data?

[E]

Who gives a.

[A]

Oh, they.

[E]

They can report them, but they.

[A]

But you don't give a report.

[C]

And be clear. He's still going to do the numbers. Yeah, it's still going to do numbers. Already did numbers.

[A]

He's not going to have time to report numbers, you guys. He won't have time. I'm talking too much. Ching chinging.

[C]

No, no, I'm saying when it does.

[A]

Go up, that's it.

[C]

No, what I'm saying is when it goes up on your DSPs and all that, it's still going to do numbers for sure. I believe that. That's all. He's still going to have the number one album. It's still going to do whatever the. And I'm going to make a ton of money because I'm going to do it over here too. It's crazy. Win, win.

[A]

Oh, J. Cole, I love you, man.

[E]

Absolutely love you.

[A]

This.

[C]

Love it, love it.

[A]

And I love people just dropping some, like, heat, like two weeks or a week before the album. Word.

[C]

That's old school.

[A]

That's old school.

[C]

Used to drop the mixtape. They used to go up the flex and freestyle or go somewhere like. That's old school.

[E]

Yeah, but I'm gonna do it on my. Yeah, that's what I love.

[C]

I'm doing my own. I love the businesses come right here.

[E]

As much as I love the music.

[A]

He bodied.

[E]

He went Crazy.

[A]

But. And be.

[C]

Let me just clear this up. Like, I'm. I'm not saying this is a bad project or nothing like that. I like the project. It's just. I'm holding it to a super high standard.

[B]

You give it a B, you sound like, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm not knocking. I'm not. I hate this or nothing like that. It's just. You can't.

[E]

I mean, it's only four songs. I mean, for what he did in the four songs, I think it was great.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's perfect. I think he's. I think, created more of an appetite for the album, which is.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Which is all you want to do.

[C]

No starving for the album. And the letter he put out saying how yo the album was this. And I went back and now I made it evolved into the double disc and all this other stuff. And like, yeah, I want to hear the. The anticipation is even higher now.

[A]

And back in the day on some old school, when you dropped the project, like, right before your real project and you were rapping at this. This type of clip, like, good way to let your fans know that that's the. That's where you and your pen are at currently.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Well, it also. Other people did it the other way way. I'm rapping like this because the label ain't. Not just. Not J. Cole, but when that happened, let me give y' all what I wanted to do because the label controlled this album and they got me doing this over here. So I'm. I'm trying to please everybody.

[A]

Yeah, that. That happens. I'm. I'm referring to this case out because this sounds current to me, so I don't think he. He did that. But, yeah, that happens all the time. Good to know that this is where his pen is on a. With a double disc coming that he's been working on for years. That's called the fall off. After he's mad at everybody, after everybody wrote him off. He says he works better when he's doubted. Curse him out. They don't want to hear from. He's just sitting back with his little. Whatever he reading on. He's just reading while he riding his.

[C]

City bike, playing with his dress.

[E]

He also. He also launched a message board on some old school called Ville Central, which is like cannabis central for those of us that were on the Internet at the time.

[A]

Really?

[E]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, he's doing some brilliant film. Direct consumer fan marketing.

[A]

Marketing.

[C]

The phone number they doing where they text you, bro, that is. That shit's amazing. Today Word. Like, just think outside the box. Don't just rely on social media or rely on. All right, I'm going. Go sit here.

[A]

Here, here, here, here.

[C]

There's my promotion, right? Do something else. I love. I love everything he's doing for this album.

[A]

Not to tabloid this out, but there are other folks on the Internet that say they hear Drake sh. Shots on here.

[E]

I mean, the. The Lucian, I could kind of see. I suppose.

[C]

I wrote it. I said it. Give me.

[A]

Give me what the Drake shots are.

[C]

The only one I heard was the. Yeah, the one he saying, I wrote it, dummy.

[A]

Or some like that. The.

[B]

Yeah, the.

[C]

The cuz. I think the Lucian shot the industry. And that Lucian, I don't think that's a shot at Drake.

[A]

Yeah, that's how I took.

[B]

That's a shoe fits one for me. Like you said, like.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

But when the other line comes four.

[A]

Bars after that, which is, we ain't said no lines yet.

[C]

I'm gonna get the L. Yeah, see, I was. And then he goes on even to qualify it and say, yeah, I'm on Universal distribution, but the is mine. Before anybody can say, oh, you up under Universal, too. No, it's different.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

So I. I don't think it was a shot at Drake. Maybe the. About writing his own.

[B]

And everybody's in the Universal. Like, I mean, not everybody literally, but, I mean, like, it just feel like one of them.

[E]

The industry.

[B]

Yeah. Like, y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

All y' all take this.

[A]

I don't think J. Cole would ever shoot a Drake.

[E]

I didn't.

[C]

I don't think so either. I think. Yo, dog, I apologize, because these two was my friends. These really don't like each other, but I with them. I don't want to be in the middle of that. So y' all have at it. I don't think he's beefing with Drake or Kendrick. I think that's why he bowed out. The. Like, these are my real friends. I don't think they industry friends. I don't think he might even not be the nigga to carry industry friends like that. But I fuck with both of them.

[A]

This N is just a good dude.

[C]

North Carolina dude that ain't poisoned by the industry. That's what I see. I don't think he's dissing. It might just be a little jab at what's going on or a generic jab. Because I take Cole at his word, and he said, if I diss, I'm gonna let you know.

[A]

Give me the lines.

[C]

I'm still trying to find the line, bro. I can't.

[A]

Oh, nigga, mute your ass.

[D]

He already showed the kind of person he was.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

With that walking back from that beef.

[C]

I think he's just a good dude.

[A]

But outside of him, I'm just talking about when you go down to South Carolina or North Carolina, like talking about like a knife Wonder. I'm talking about like them dudes are well read, perceptive, like forward thinking. Them, them, them North Carolina, you know.

[D]

North Carolina, I'm saying.

[A]

And hip hop.

[C]

Hip hop. Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

All right. So the line we was talking.

[A]

You know who Knife Wonder is?

[D]

Yes, of course.

[A]

Okay, well, he's from North Carolina.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[C]

All right. So some of the lines were on Golden Goose. The one, the Lucian line we spoke about for crumbs. Dumb sold. They sold illusion. Universal distribution, but I own the music. And then right after that, if I said it, then I wrote it stupid.

[A]

Do you think that's a Drake line?

[C]

I mean, Drake is kind of beefing with them over that's what the lawsuit. It could be.

[A]

They ain't beefing over crumbs. And it ain't.

[C]

He ain't sell his soul for crumbs. I'm just telling. I mean, it could be looked at as crumbs if, if Drake is saying this is worth X amount of billions and I only got this, it could be crumbs. I'm not saying it's a dis. Dis. You ask me what the lines are that people are interpreting as a disc.

[A]

I mean, it could be crumbs in comparison to what he has grossed for the label.

[C]

But there's no world against the field.

[A]

400 million.

[C]

That's a cheesecake with top 400 mil.

[A]

That he recouped in a matter of years.

[C]

That's one deal. That was only one deal. Was only one deal.

[A]

Let's not be silly for the sake of hip hop here. What, what else, what else is there?

[C]

Catch bodies for my own amusement. Cheating. And I won't excuse it. If I said it then I wrote it stupid. So there's another one. That's the other one.

[E]

It's a lot of reaches.

[B]

Reaches to me back to.

[C]

Back to when Cole was addressing back to when Cole was addressing the. The young boy rumors and he was like, yo, if I diss somebody, I'mma hit you direct. Like I'm on your caller id. I'm going to take his word for that.

[A]

That was a lie as soon as he said it. That was a lie as soon as he said it.

[C]

Why you said that? Because he ain't if I diss you. So I said if I do it, I'mma make sure you know I ain't going to leave no gray area. Like Kendrick said, if I catch flight, it's going to be direct. They're saying that. Not saying that I'm going to diss you, but in the event of I do, it won't be no. Yo, who's this about? Or is he dis it? No, you're going to know that I'm talking about him. That's why I say the symbol lines.

[A]

Okay. MC Joe says that's a lie, but.

[C]

We can't prove it.

[A]

Jermaine, I don't think he's above sending a sub. I don't think he's above it.

[C]

A sub and a dis is two different things.

[A]

God damn it. I'm happy for the guy. I'm happy for the guy. Happy for Clue, Happy for fans, happy for Clue. This was just a couple. Great moment. Way to go. Dropping right after we record the pod. Slow clap like two hours after. Really? Thanks.

[E]

We was leaving and that shit came through.

[B]

I didn't do the second part. Yeah, I was home already. Like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Rub that in.

[A]

Way to go, Cole. I think by now you dope rappers know our schedule. Some of y' all play ball with us. I, E Kendrick, some of y' all don't.

[C]

Or maybe Cole and Orbs, maybe the ones shots at you, at me when.

[D]

He said grown men.

[C]

And part of that is I'mma drop this right after you done. Now sit on it.

[A]

I'm sure that Cole has seen a clip of this pod and said Joe be gossiping. No, I think. I think that that's happening.

[C]

He didn't need a clip to see that. Nah, not.

[A]

Yo, I'm not one of the niggas where if you. If you diss me, I'm going to think about what you said. You. You may see something that I didn't see in my myself. You might be opening my mind up. Hey, I see how that could look.

[C]

Like that don't have some validity there. The boy got a point. Yo, dog, no gossip.

[A]

30 mil with the gossip.

[C]

Sprinkle some gossip in.

[B]

Hey, girl.

[A]

Hey, bitch. I mean, well, actually, that's a big part of the fans beef. They feel like what catapulted me 239 mill wasn't gossip. It was like genuine love for hip hop. Calling out fake when I saw it. And then when the money came, that's when we got. It was a Gossipy.

[C]

It was a progression.

[A]

That's what the fans. That's what they saying. I don't think so.

[C]

They want, you can go back to that and then leave the money and just go back to that.

[B]

That's what I think.

[C]

Why you walked away from rap? Why you walked away from rap?

[A]

What do you mean, why?

[C]

I was done.

[A]

I finished.

[B]

I know I finished.

[C]

And why you won't rap? Cause you said it takes you to a place you don't want to see. I'm sure you don't want to see them baggy tank tops no more.

[A]

I'm living another part of my life. I'm living my life like it's golden.

[C]

I remember the graph. The graph we just talked about. Yeah. Diamond.

[A]

But I gotta tell you, if there was ever, ever where it made sense, it would be in some of this shit that's going on.

[C]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

This is my time coming back. This is my type of shit going on out here on the low. Like, I know the kids don't care about me, but when I'm in the shower, oh, boy, I get excited.

[C]

Your brain get to work?

[A]

Yeah, I get excited. I get excited. I do, man. Mona, we gonna need you an hour, too. I'm here. I know you here. You looking good.

[E]

You smelling good.

[D]

J. Cole four pack, five pack. You know, I'm not a huge J. Cole fan, but I recognize he can rap, you know.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

That's it.

[E]

It was kind of quiet.

[A]

What year in hip hop did that qualifier start happening? Happening, too, in 26. Like, she would have been perfectly fine saying, I like that J. Cole four pack, but she had to qualify it. No, I don't with this.

[E]

That's old school.

[D]

I just like. I just like violent, ignorant music. He's not a violent, ignorant guy. It's that simple. I like talking about drugs and guns and in the music. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I got you. I want to be in mirror driving. I'm selling a brick, you know, peaceful.

[A]

I would be so let down if JCole was like a piece of. Behind all of this peaceful protest image. Like. Like, if he was in this group chat, just acting a fool that just.

[E]

Oh, you know, he's wild.

[C]

Group chat, though, bro.

[A]

Well, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Colby Gates, just like a wild boy. For sure.

[C]

He might be a wild boy.

[A]

Like, every time I happen to just pop into the strip club, which I haven't been to now. So please stop typecasting me. I'm Doing really good. Good in being disciplined and making changes for 20, 26 and saving.

[B]

Yeah, I ch you like like NA or AA or something.

[E]

My driver. In like 24 hours, I'm going to the show.

[C]

How many days has it been?

[D]

For real?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

When?

[A]

How many count? New Jersey, Saturday night, midnight. Wait, hold on.

[C]

Four. Four?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That counts. Three.

[A]

It don't matter. You can count and I'm still down. Like I stepped out in Jersey at Frank spot a couple Fridays.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But outside of that, I ain't been a week.

[B]

We gonna call it 14 days.

[D]

Why does the Jersey thing don't count? Like, where's the difference?

[C]

You got asking.

[D]

That's some Joe Button rules.

[A]

Yeah, cuz Jersey is not a good time.

[C]

So who. Oh, so you be got it.

[A]

If you. If you In Jersey, it's 20 minutes away. It's a very small, small place. It's not a all star lineup of who's you just going because you stepping out for a second to hear some music and get out of. You're not staying there for a long time.

[D]

Are the women attract?

[A]

That's what I'm saying. A few of them, but you got to go across the bridge for like some real. And I haven't. It's been a while for me. I'm doing pretty good. But anyway, let's not center me.

[E]

I love when we say that up here. Why can't we center anybody?

[A]

That's so crazy. I mean, we could center me. I just don't want to come off like I'm centering myself.

[E]

I see.

[A]

That's actually another problem with this pond. I have to be centered more.

[C]

Yo. What just.

[A]

I forgot what we was talking about just now.

[E]

We talking about music before that strip club.

[C]

You talking about music about how he's going to rap. Mona's qualified. I think he can rap, but it's just cup of tea.

[D]

Yeah, he can rap his.

[A]

Oh, we talking about jcole being a.

[B]

That's how hoping that he wasn't one.

[A]

Of you, J. Yeah, I don't think so.

[E]

I don't think it's a. Oh, that's.

[A]

What I was saying. Like every time I go to the strip club. That's I what? What I'm saying. My memory's getting bad. I'm sorry. I apologize, audience. You're watching me. You're watching the demise, the fall off. The fall off.

[E]

Your memory's always been bad, bro. Yeah, but you can't blame that at all.

[A]

It's getting bad, yo. Everything that's wrong with me. Let's Stop saying it's cuz of the Z.

[D]

That's how they do that.

[A]

And I'm not on Z, bro.

[D]

That's how they.

[A]

And every time I even say what I'm on, they think it's an ad. So anyway, every time I pop in the strip club and I see Neo, like we give each other. I just see him last. I was in there. Whenever that was, we always give each other, like, a creep salute. Do you know what that is? Yeah. Do you know that is. Do you understand what I'm saying? You know?

[C]

You know? Yeah, yeah. Again, again.

[A]

Like, you know, you consistently see somebody in the spot and you just. They on what you on. You on what they on. Or it has potential to be. And you know that it just be a quick.

[C]

Yeah, I know. I know. That's it. And then, like, I would be so.

[A]

Disappointed if I walked in and saw a cold somewhere and we had the creeps and we had that. It would just. I would be so let down.

[B]

It ain't gonna happen.

[A]

I would be. No, it's definitely not. Definitely not. I'm talking. I'm just parting right now. All right, all right, everybody, slow. Hey, no worries, boys.

[B]

Y' all two will never.

[C]

I think y' all got that up.

[A]

With a couple, come to that.

[E]

I'm sure he has.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

He's probably got a little Mark Lamont Hill.

[B]

I'm sure he partakes, but he just knows how to move.

[A]

Where when you.

[E]

Meet him in person, it's like, oh, you're not the. The dude from the CNN show. You like, you. You have fun.

[C]

Oh, you see him throwing ten grand.

[E]

There we go, Onyx. There you go.

[A]

Cole seemed like he would give you good advice on. On your marriage.

[D]

Yes. Stuff like that at the strip club. Or he encourage you not to cheat on. On your wife. Like, bro, come on.

[A]

Yeah, he seemed like the person I would call bro.

[D]

Come on.

[B]

Like, go home, bro.

[C]

Don't this up right now.

[A]

You see her.

[C]

Don't this up, man.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[D]

Like, come on. Denise at home, man.

[A]

Exactly. I agree.

[D]

Denise at home with Junior. Just go home.

[A]

Yeah, come on, man.

[D]

He call your Uber and send you home big hard you about to somebody you ain't supposed to. He's a real.

[E]

Is that one of the weird silences again?

[B]

It is for me.

[A]

She said that, and I just went back to somebody I wasn't supposed to. That shit is.

[B]

It's overrated.

[A]

It's overrated. That's just not. It's not fun. It's not Fun, just doing it with no love.

[D]

42 seconds of pleasure for what? Such a big mistake to me.

[A]

Trying to teach this your spot. She keep moving around. How many times I gotta fucking that button? Yeah, she don't know how to really get that engine going.

[D]

I mean she don't know the button.

[A]

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[D]

God, he's the perfect potter. Like, even just him describing his meals, you just be so intrigued.

[A]

I'm over there eating.

[D]

Oh, come over. Eating elk.

[C]

You niggas eating French toast. I mean, elk.

[A]

Yeah, whatever he's talking about. Anyway, we go the drama. Fall is the glimmer of a rap. Yeah, I just hear his voice over all that. But I thought Envy would rep a little more. That's my man. And this is. This is Desert Storm podcast. At this point in time, I thought Envy would rep a little more for Fab. He let Tony Yale do a lot of talking up there. He let Tony Ayo say a lot. I'll ask the distinguished panel here who is better, Fab or Banks? I don't expect us to spend a lot of time on this. I do like fact that with this and with the Common Jadakiss one, it feels like when people throw these names together, there are people that I feel like aren't further than five spots apart from each other. Anyway.

[B]

Yeah, that's what makes it fun.

[A]

So. But when you.

[D]

When you ask that, you saying like, overall or like, mixtape? Fab and Basics all time.

[A]

Great list.

[B]

Who's higher?

[E]

That's really tricky.

[D]

I would say Fab. It gotta be Fab. I really roll Banks man Banks hard, but it just. He's not overfitting.

[E]

I think Banks got better albums. I'm using the same metric that I used with the Common Kiss debate.

[C]

It's fab for me. And I know Banks. Remember what happened last time I picked somebody over him, but what's your favorite Banks album?

[E]

Hunger for More.

[A]

Hunger for More.

[C]

I knew he was going to say that.

[A]

Hunger for More is better than Ghetto Fabulous.

[E]

For me.

[C]

Yes. For me, too.

[A]

I gotta pull up the track list. I gotta pull up the track list.

[B]

Yeah, I think.

[A]

I think y' all might be off.

[D]

Like, all them soul tapes. I can't put Banks over Fab after all them soul tapes.

[E]

I think again, Fab, it's similar to the JD I think Fab has better bangers. Yeah, it's very simple.

[A]

For more Ain't no click playboy Warrior on fire I get high I'm so fly Work magic if you so gangster warrior part 2 karma when the chips are till the end die one day southside story. And I'm just going to read Ghetto Fabulous because that don't sound like it's better. Than ghetto fabulous to me.

[C]

Clicking Spark, hold on. No, no.

[A]

Don't take the th. Don't take the thunder from me now. Don't take the thunder from.

[D]

And I feel like Banks got the better voice.

[A]

Clicking spark Keeping it gangster Youngin gang get right ride for this one day Trade it all right now later on take you home get smart can't deny it my be easy we don't give a. Yeah, I'm with Ice.

[D]

Yeah. Hunger for more.

[A]

I'm not mad at anybody says hunger for more.

[B]

Hunger for more too.

[E]

Is great, too.

[A]

I'm not mad. All right. So you giving. You give the better album to Banks.

[E]

Yeah, but Fab's got better features and. And singles and bangers.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going with Fab as much as I. And I'm not.

[C]

This is hard for me.

[B]

I don't think it's the wrong answer, but I'm going Fab by a hair. By a hair. Even though I agree with you on the albums, and that usually is my thing. But Fab just means I have Fab.

[A]

By a hair, too. I have Fab by a Mike Shorey feature.

[E]

Okay?

[A]

I have Fab by Little Mo Studio. Stop by.

[D]

That's crazy.

[A]

Like, if Little. If he's not on a little movie mo record and don't have records with Little Mo, like, and just who else he got that.

[D]

Bro.

[A]

But Banks, they wash each other out for me. Because Banks got all the Fly Girl records. He does.

[C]

He does.

[A]

And he got all the Fly mixtape.

[C]

He does, and he has freestyle.

[A]

All of the bars in the world. I give Fab. I gotta go with Fab because I feel like he more. More than Banks. It is important when you put a better rapper. No, when you get the most important. Because it goes to. I go. I go. I go to what Pac said, yo, if the girls are there, everything else will follow. If the girls buy your music. So girls bought both of their songs, right? I gotta land this on who has. Has more appeal. And because Banks is who he is, he's gonna lose that one. Banks wants to be home. Banks wants to be with his family. He want to be out of the public. He don't want to talk to y'. All. He don't want to tweet y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

He don't want nothing to do with y'.

[D]

All. Indeed.

[A]

All he want to do is rap. And he's been like that. That's why 50 of these niggas could say what they want. J. O could say, you not gonna ever hear him say nothing. No, why he don't care. Fab won the other hand.

[C]

Okay?

[D]

Fab outside.

[C]

But that don't mean that he ain't. Just because y' all don't see me out.

[A]

I think Fab wins the appeal. Slider.

[C]

Fab could rap.

[B]

Definitely wins the appeal.

[C]

Both of them can rap. You can't deny.

[A]

But Banks probably wins the touring argument because Fab never toured, okay?

[D]

Oh, Fab never.

[A]

Fab never toured.

[B]

Doesn't Banks primarily tour?

[A]

Banks tours. Banks has toured.

[C]

Banks tours.

[A]

Tours on his own.

[B]

Yes, but I'm talking about you toured before. I thought you meant big tour numbers. Numbers. I'm saying.

[C]

I'm just saying Fab has not toured.

[A]

Fab won't tour.

[B]

You're just saying him touring, period. Okay, I got you. I got you.

[A]

Which is one of the more interesting mysteries in hip hop that nobody ever talks about. Like, I understood that. Him saying, maybe I don't want a tour. Do show the go anywhere back in the day when you know, it's lit, it's lit, it's lit, it's lit, it's lit. I'm not trying to do all that. He left a lot of money on.

[E]

The table, I'm sure.

[A]

And is leaving a lot of money on the table. And I wonder why.

[D]

It's a good question.

[A]

I can't be the whole. Remember Fat Joe wouldn't take an airplane, right?

[B]

But it might be a travel thing.

[C]

No, it's not that. Because he be doing. You know, he did the Dre's run where he had a. He was one of the first ones to have a residency. He did the Dre's run. He does the Miami runs like he Fab does shows. But we talking about a tour.

[D]

That's such a good question.

[C]

Because why it can't be the travel.

[D]

Let's phone him up.

[A]

He does a lot of. Of shows.

[C]

Yeah, he does a lot of shows. A lot of shows.

[D]

There's something weird about that.

[C]

Maybe, and this is pure speculation. It could be if I tore. It got to be.

[A]

If you tore.

[C]

You know, if contract.

[A]

If you tour, you take a short because you're doing this in bulk with a live nation or whoever you're doing it with, you're doing it in bulk. So you take a short. In some cities, when you do one show for the people. Unfinished, familiar, you getting your full fee, which is why a lot of people may do their own show versus a. A tour. But why the tour is important is because you need hard ticket history. You need. You need for home, though, you show.

[D]

People you could bring them out.

[C]

That's for whom.

[D]

For your resume.

[A]

For artists.

[C]

No, I'm saying. But you need a hard ticket history for your resume for.

[A]

For anybody that is in the business of doing business with you. You have to show that in Chicago, I do this.

[C]

I put XYZ in Detroit, I do this.

[A]

And you need those numbers of what you can do in hard tickets when you go. Not just you do a show where the promoter pays you, the promoter promotes it.

[C]

And I was saying, like, for like whom, for like, future business. It doesn't seem like he's out here trying to. Trying to do those things to where he has to have that resume. You get what I'm saying?

[B]

You need a tour history to be.

[A]

Able to do future. You don't need it if you're never gonna do it. That's odd. That is odd.

[D]

The question is, why then is why would you not want to make a.

[C]

Whole bunch of money, do a show on some brown bag money?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You get what I'm saying? A tour might be some other logistics involved. I gotta cut people in. If I got. It could be, could be. That could be.

[A]

Who knows?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I got. I got. I'm going fab by here.

[C]

It's very close, but I'm going F here.

[B]

Can I ask you a Banks question? What is the most important Banks song to you? You know, like, when we talk about Common and J Kiss, we might say this or that.

[A]

We.

[B]

We get. Name a couple tracks. What's the. What's the biggest bank song? The most important, important bank song for y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

It's too many.

[C]

It's a few songs.

[A]

Beamer, Benz and Bentley. Started up Karma start. Started up Any girl. Oh, yeah. On fire.

[B]

The reason I asked that was because.

[C]

That might be the one.

[B]

That might be one.

[C]

That's the one.

[B]

But when I started thinking about the biggest Fab tracks, that was the thing that got me Fab over. Over. Over Banks a little bit was for mainstream hip hop, for radio, for all these other things. I feel like Banks is. I mean, Fab's biggest ones might mean more to a wider range of people than Banks and his biggest ones. That. That's. That's why I agree.

[A]

This is not what I'm looking for. What's my record with him and Carrie Hilson? I got a brain freeze right now. What's my record? Yeah, that's my. Though. Yeah. See, this is tough to deal with. This is tough to deal with. I ain't going to lie. Lloyd Banks girl Records It's a B. Sideish. You ever heard this?

[C]

That's why I don't think it says.

[A]

Tough to deal with, huh? Oh, no, this is tough to deal with.

[B]

It is.

[A]

This is a classic. This is a B side classic. I'm telling you. Hey, excuse me, miss. You must be some kind of a model.

[B]

Enough to make a shop or run out of the.

[A]

Guess what? I'm strong as Rob. Bless you.

[D]

When he made me.

[A]

I mean, he blessed me when he made you. I got a little game, too. They know me everywhere I go, go that's what f do but we can.

[D]

Keep it on a flow. What's your name?

[B]

I'll be right there.

[A]

I'll be right there with you. Things like you're my angel. There's no rumors when it come to this. Write down your number, miss. They call me Bank My government is Chris Fill me in the birds love me in the bricks 4 inch, Hey. My hands make me so.

[D]

You make me strong.

[C]

I was just. That's the one.

[A]

That's a problem.

[C]

Turn me up, turn me up, turn me up.

[D]

What up, Lord?

[A]

Oh, this is a problem. Oh, my God. And right, right, right.

[D]

Baby Baller of the year.

[B]

Got about nine, 10 dimes and all.

[D]

Of them is here.

[A]

It don't matter, cuz.

[B]

Before the night is done I disappear. So my new one don't even know.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I got fed by here.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I just played Banks Records.

[B]

That's where I landed.

[A]

Don't get stupid, Mark.

[B]

I disagreed with you. What the fuck? You just. I'm saying the exact same thing. You say it.

[A]

I. I know, but I'm saying it, acknowledging that that's what happened. It could go different.

[B]

I said by a hair.

[A]

Yeah, but don't say it like by a hair.

[B]

Is that different?

[A]

Let's not get crazy.

[C]

I think you should have just put.

[A]

Tamia on, but let's not get crazy. Everybody relax for a minute.

[B]

I got fabs, though.

[A]

They better stop playing with my guy now, now, man. Stop playing with my boy. Stop playing with my boy, man.

[C]

It's fab.

[A]

Stop playing with. We ain't smoking a while, but stop playing with my man. Yo, honestly, it's fat. Fat. By here, it's fat. What else we got? What else we got? What else else we got? Simone, I'm sorry. You ain't seen me get this excited, partner.

[C]

What you said.

[D]

I want to talk about what I want.

[C]

For me. It ain't a hair, it's a gap.

[B]

He think getting wiped down.

[D]

I don't think It's a hair. Either is word.

[C]

I don't think it's a hair.

[D]

I don't think it's far.

[C]

But Lloyd Banks's rap ability is undeniable. Like, nobody can say a thing. He's upper echelon rapper, but when you start comparing the impact and all that other. It's not close.

[D]

Agreed. Fab. Even with the clothes and. And come on, stop.

[B]

It's not close. Mainstream. I think when you get into hip hop heads underground like that Banks.

[A]

Y' all know Lloyd Banks sold a bunch of records, right?

[C]

Yeah, he has. He has.

[B]

That's why it's a hair for me. But I get what he's saying.

[A]

Like, yo's argument is, if we talk in mainstream, there's no conversation to be had in terms of Banks versus Fab because of the sex, the success and popularity of G Unit.

[D]

G Unit.

[B]

And that's.

[D]

Right.

[B]

That's what gets tricky. It's not a bad argument. But we start talking about solo versus what respond.

[C]

You taking a group and comparing it to a man, it's. It's unfair. And he played a. He played a.

[D]

A huge part.

[C]

Yeah, a major part in that group.

[A]

So he's literally known as, like, the only mc.

[C]

He is. He's the. The best rapper in the group.

[A]

So if that group goes on to do Switzerland and Africa and France and all of these places, then that means that you are. If you're in the group, then, you know.

[C]

All right, so that. That's like saying Jermaine Jackson could be compared to.

[A]

No, stop. Let's not be silly. Let's not be silly.

[B]

I think we about to disrespect Jama Jackson.

[A]

Yeah, we don't.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

I'm agreeing with you. Ish.

[B]

I'm saying.

[C]

I would like to finish my sentence. I mean, you could take Jermaine Jackson and say, yo, he was a part of a group, the Jackson 5, that toured all around the world, and now you qualifying that versus another artist that was independently way better than Jermaine Jackson.

[A]

But that's what we're saying is that's a false parallel because Lloyd Banks and Fab1v1 is a fair matchup. The group dynamic is something that we're adding to express what Tony Yale was saying. And to respond to your mainstream popularity.

[E]

Point, also, Jermaine Jackson wasn't the front man in the group at, like, it's different bands. Bands.

[C]

And. And Lloyd Banks is the front mang.

[E]

Unit at times when he was rapping. Like, it's a different. It's A different thing in, like bands.

[C]

Not for the front man of G UN.

[E]

I'm talking about when you're watching.

[A]

But he was. He was featured. When you're watching the show, you're saying something different. The rapper that was featured for the whole G unit was Lloyd.

[B]

You cannot.

[E]

You cannot.

[A]

He's the best rapper Box doing this show.

[D]

Banks gets his own show.

[E]

Where you can't compare a soul group to a rap group is what I'm saying.

[A]

Ice, didn't you go to a Bank show?

[C]

I just said recently where you was just like, no, he did that on purpose.

[A]

They getting me off my other argument. Fat by here. God.

[C]

I went to the bank show because I said bank.

[A]

Me arguing.

[B]

You said that.

[C]

You said that Jim Jones is going to wash up banks. And Banks bought you out and said this. Said, Jim going to watch me now stand right here. Watch this. D.J. do this. And he added another.

[A]

Never said nothing.

[C]

Like he added.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

He showed me. We was in the back. He showed me a set list. He said I added another 10. 10 or 12 records because of what you said.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Like, he was offended. If they did a versus, who you think win? Like if fad performs better? Not jis versus fab is dj booth dj.

[C]

20 songs. That's my question. 20 songs. Fab's going to. If it's 10 songs, I got Banks.

[D]

No, it's like such a super cuz. It's like the hip hop head that's still listening to like that today. And then there's people that you know everything, then the young people. I just think it's a simple thing. Like you can't beat fat men verses.

[A]

Y' all have Banks, Lloyd banks in a versus to 20 against 25. Fabulous.

[C]

Do you know why? Because the verses ain't just the songs. We've seen this quite a million, million times. And Fab.

[A]

I'm not talking about DJ Boo Fab.

[C]

I'm just.

[A]

Let's pretend that Fab did a good job.

[C]

I can't pretend that Joe got the Aux playing the Fab.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

If they bring their best material and they both bring the best performance.

[C]

Because.

[B]

Because like you just said, get up.

[C]

There and be too cool for the performance. That's going to hurt him.

[B]

I'm just saying Fab's music, I think kills wins in a versus.

[E]

I don't know about that.

[B]

I think it's 11 to 9.

[D]

But they're not. It's not like he has a huge.

[B]

Amount Fab on some.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Shut up.

[B]

Listen, there ain't no wrong Answer here. But I, I, I take it absolutely.

[D]

Is the wrong answer.

[C]

Fab is in my top five favorite rappers ever. So my answer is always going to be Fab.

[E]

Shout out to both of them.

[C]

Shout out to both of them.

[D]

Shout out to both you, man.

[A]

Y making me mad. We do it like hey, Y making me mad.

[D]

Next collection.

[A]

Same different day.

[B]

Just ride through the city looking pretty. The usual I do.

[A]

Y ain't never been out and this was on what?

[D]

Not me.

[A]

They ain't play this in Philly. I know. Yeah. Mark ain't with none of this. Oh, Mark. Big fat like me, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why am I against Marco? I keep agreeing with this. Why keep shooting at Mark? Right? Exactly. So here.

[C]

You know what I mean? You know how we do.

[A]

We hold it down right here.

[C]

DJ D.

[D]

Come on. Was Harlem shaking?

[A]

All right, I'm done. We getting back to talk after this. I'm sorry. I got to let this rock for a second, though. It's a music podcast, so it used to be. Anyway, this what we used to do up here. Big Mark before that, intellect.

[C]

Since 93 when I came to in.

[B]

The B with a roof behind me. Tell them, Jake.

[A]

Behind who the hell wanna be who.

[C]

The wannabe Fab ain't to be with. Man, I'm sorry.

[A]

And I might not even stop. Just take my advance and make a small town in Cleveland. Pop vibrant thing on my. That boy. Man, listen, as somebody that has rapped with both of them, it's. It's the same migraine. Let me just tell you that. It's the same exact migraine. It might be worse.

[C]

Well, you rap with both of them. You can speak to that, cuz. Like when you did the. The record on Rage. Fab going rap. And now he going to go sing some bars on there, too. Like, just make it even worse. Now you singing too.

[A]

Yeah, but Lloyd Banks going to send the track over with his verse on there. So you already know. Yo, dog, this album coming, I just killed.

[C]

Y don't need to hear your voice or nothing.

[A]

Bad to be in the studio with you.

[E]

This verse is going to be like, a little bit tricky. Y' all just discounting records again to exist.

[C]

I just can't see some of these.

[E]

Are going to be tough outs.

[C]

They are a lot of.

[B]

To me, it's 119 maybe.

[E]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

11 9, maybe.

[C]

I would have loved it.

[D]

But it ain't a hair.

[A]

It's a hair. 119 is a hair.

[B]

Don't get no closer.

[A]

All right, come on. What else we got in music? What else we got in music. I know Don to dropped. He did.

[E]

I didn't listen to it yet.

[C]

I got halfway this sound. That first three songs. I ran them back and I don't usually do that because I'm trying to hurry up and listen to get in here.

[A]

Yeah, but you ain't running back.

[C]

I did run them on the end. Oh, okay. I forgot.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

You ain't running. Say word is born is you think he ran it back like the first three? All right, yo, I believe him.

[C]

Nope. No, go ahead.

[A]

Freeze. I'm talking.

[C]

No, I know.

[A]

Let me see here. Let me see Body.

[C]

I think the name of it is a second song.

[A]

Well, I'm starting at the first one cuz he bugged the out from there.

[C]

He went crazy.

[A]

He bugged. This is. This is.

[C]

That came on.

[A]

He started the project like this. By the way. That's hard on the highway and I'm thinking I love her on the highway and I'm thinking ain't no. Oh. Oh, me too, Don. I be on the highway thinking I love her. Dawn, you stealing my. My favorite outfit is her. See throw. You said you wanted to hear track two. Track two. Track two.

[C]

Body.

[D]

That sound like that I love. That's where that come from. That song.

[C]

She don't tell me no when I'm touching on her h town level with her.

[A]

Baby, come here.

[C]

I'm a grip on you. This ain't what you going to say about her. Call me Cash or I go crazy about her.

[A]

Yo, distinguished panel. Distinguished panel. Distinguished panel.

[C]

Sounds amazing.

[D]

He don't do no wrong to me.

[A]

That's how I feel about him.

[D]

Yeah, he wanted.

[C]

Yeah, he on that list. Instant purchase. I, I, I, I have high expectations. And he has a let me down on a project yet.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's the end of my Don Tolerant review.

[C]

Sorry I didn't hear the whole thing.

[A]

I heard the whole thing. The whole thing is heat. I will go back to it. But yeah, n I let this ride. I was up early, man.

[C]

Different.

[A]

I was up early. Hold up, man. He just being his own creative creative bag to me. And I appreciate that about him. Like, I didn't even know he was coming out until I like looked at coming soon a few months ago. I love it's been radio silent. I would love to hear him and Cash Cobain do something. That was secondhand. That's off Don To's new project Octane, available in your phone and on DSPs right this very second. That's heat. Any other new music you you people Want to get to you brothers. Want to get to brothers and sister.

[E]

I didn't know the game dropped but I am going to check that out. This, this lineup looks. Looks pretty nice. Savage on there Swiss beats, a lot of Jason Martin, AKA Problem Cowboy Benny. Yeah, I didn't know this drop, but I can't wait to hit play.

[B]

Remember I was coming last week.

[C]

I hit y' all in the group chat. It was supposed to drop last week and I didn't know what happened and I didn't know it was dropping this week. I'm. I'm running to this as soon as I get a chance.

[B]

For sure for you R B heads. Jamie Foxx announced a new album coming out soon. First single will be released on February 13th. It's called Somebody. He put a teaser of it on Instagram, but.

[A]

Oh, I got it here. Of some of his daughter's beautiful instrument playing on this one girl. That on the teaser. That on the teaser.

[B]

Did it show that they didn't give any credits but sh. Shout out to Jamie Fox. I'm waiting. I'm excited to hear it. I'm excited to hear he's making music. I'm looking forward to his album.

[D]

Are you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Hell yeah.

[C]

Jamie Fox.

[B]

Jamie Fox is. When he gets in his bag, he. He good to go.

[D]

He can sing his ass off. He can play the piano.

[B]

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

[C]

Also, Dababy dropped his album. I did not get a chance to listen. But the singles that he's been putting out, they were.

[A]

They were.

[C]

He has some pretty good singles. He has a record with Corey Ray on like the Jersey club type of sound. So I am going to get to it, but I'm just glad to see him back, that's all.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't get to it yet, but I plan on it. He's supposed to come up here soon anyway.

[C]

Oh, great.

[A]

Yeah. Shout out. Shout out out to him. I do want to hear this project. I'm sure some heat, you know, drop the song.

[D]

They got that little dance pop to it and it's a been a little while now, but it's doing real well. Uzi. That Uzi got a song that's going up on it and it's hard. I was surprised I even like that. He did good on there. You don't know the song I'm talking about, do you? No. It's all over.

[C]

Why would you.

[B]

Surprised you liked it. Ain't that your bag?

[D]

I. I'm a Uzi fan but I don't like that. Whole. Even with my friends that rap do it when they try to make the regular song into the dance song, I don't.

[A]

Oh, I got you.

[B]

I got.

[D]

Yeah, they put that, like, wuang Jersey beat on there. I don't like that.

[B]

You can't wuang better than not wuang Clan Wuang.

[D]

36 chambers.

[B]

He always go to 36 chambers. I knew what you were saying.

[A]

I was like, I live this 36 chambers. Right?

[E]

Like dance. You could tell Parks is a boom.

[D]

Bap by the leg for sure.

[A]

He still don't want to talk about Pete Rock versus Smooth.

[E]

Talk about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Look at him. Anytime it's beef brewing in the. In the boom bat Backpacker World Park. Just sit there looking swaggy. No, get to your.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What happened over there? We'll get to that at some point. I know Mark was talking about new R and B. Joyce Rice. Why not? Why not? Why not? Come on, man. Shout out to Amy Ree, friend of the show.

[D]

You say I lose control I hate it when you make me wait, wait.

[A]

Finally, a woman that will tell the truth in one of these songs. All these girls and women doing all this yakety yak a few years back about the rose breaking they little clitorises, desensitizing the pussy. And finally we got a woman that get on the song and say, playing with myself is not the same. Did you hear? I'll play it again. I'll play it again.

[D]

We heard it. I just had a question of what you said.

[A]

What?

[D]

What? You've been watching my set. That's like. That's the bulk of my set. About them roses and them pussies being made of steel and all that. Real, like. Where did you come up with that? How do you know what the roses do to the pussy?

[A]

Funny. No funny. Yeah. I mean, funny. No funny. I would have seen your show if Mark would have called me so we could go on that Sunday like we.

[B]

Promised you, because that's the only way he can go is with me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We roll out all me. We roll out so much. He's like. He's used to it now. We're like, if. If I don't go, he don't go. We like a buddy comedy, man. That's all we do is hang out.

[A]

When it's your idea. You know what's crazy?

[D]

I just sold a show on a Wednesday night. That's crazy.

[A]

Hard ticket history.

[D]

What? My mother.

[A]

Hard ticket. Exactly.

[D]

Tours.

[B]

Where's the show at?

[C]

In D.C. i was in.

[D]

Be more. That's like home, though. But still a Wednesday, bro. I hit the parking. Like, what the they doing here? I just knew it wasn't gonna be nobody.

[B]

Is that where the show was?

[D]

Yes, yes. In Baltimore.

[B]

No, I'm in the parking lot.

[D]

Okay. This. Okay.

[A]

I knew it was some. Oh, speaking of parking lots.

[E]

The Russell doing the tailgate, baby.

[D]

Got that tail. Okay. Shout out to my brother. So proud of you, boy.

[C]

Congrats.

[D]

Next year you gonna be in the business.

[A]

Congratulations to the Russell. What she say?

[D]

What? That ain't no joke. That's my what she said.

[B]

Don't make it not.

[C]

Don't do that.

[D]

Ain't say nothing.

[C]

Next year, you're gonna be in the building.

[D]

That's just natural progression.

[A]

That's not shade.

[D]

That's natural.

[A]

One of the buildings.

[D]

Maybe.

[A]

Not a building. You'll be in a building. Don't do that. Why is. Why are we so up, man?

[C]

Yo, we back.

[A]

We LaRussell. This is a big deal. I'm excited for you. Congratulations.

[E]

It's in the base from the bays. It's only right.

[A]

Nobody more deserving. Wait, the Super Bowls in the bay? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I've been telling everybody that in New Orleans, I'll be lying. I've been telling everybody. Everybody I know I'm in New Orleans, man. Yo, at 45, 46, just casually lie, like, off the cuff. Like, oh, yeah, it's over there. San Diego.

[D]

When you got that salt and pepper, you could say whatever. They gonna believe lies now.

[A]

You got it. Yo.

[E]

The first stage in that old man shit.

[A]

Right on. Some practice lies I keep telling her. Like, you just got to practice some lies on. Just like I keep telling the. Like, try some just to see. See how if you.

[C]

How you get it off.

[A]

See if you can still touch the.

[D]

River, you know, my favorite, favorite place to lie is, like, in the supermarket where you meet strangers. Like, I just make up this thing that I do. I just told a. I worked at Amazon yesterday. We had a great conversation about packing.

[E]

Oh, that's fun. Lying about where you work is.

[D]

I love that. That. Yeah.

[A]

Where do y' all tell people when people ask y' all where y' all work?

[D]

I always say Amazon. I look like I work at Amazon.

[B]

I just. I don't lie. I just say I'm a teacher. Like, I keep it real basic.

[E]

Doctor. You should say you're a doctor.

[B]

No, cuz that people want to have conversations with doctors. They be like, I got this thing on my neck. I mean, if you say I teach, everybody stops talking to you, cuz. Right.

[A]

I can see that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, they would. I just said it. I ain't lying, bro.

[A]

Everything.

[C]

I'm in construction.

[A]

Got.

[E]

You are in construction.

[A]

That's a lie.

[D]

That's not a lie.

[C]

No, he said, tell me what you doing.

[A]

Yeah, I wasn't looking for the li. But if you were to lie, what would you say?

[C]

I'm in construction. I don't know. That's a good. My man Wall Street.

[A]

I work corporate.

[C]

I work corporate.

[A]

Yo, if he told somebody I work in Wall street finance, I would slap the out of him. Why you don't bring back your corporate subway line?

[D]

I was about to say that.

[A]

That's a good one.

[C]

I used to work in finance downtown.

[A]

I know, but if you told somebody that, like, you would want to come off like that. Do you know how that comes off?

[C]

I don't powder.

[A]

Okay. It also depends.

[E]

Are you. Are you looking to have a conversation or not? That's important. Yeah, that's really important because sometimes you might lie to someone about what you do just on some funny.

[C]

And they do the same. No, they. They bite.

[E]

They might bite. Yeah, they might bite. You could say something interesting like, I'm a marine biologist or something. No one talk.

[C]

I've always wanted to know about that.

[E]

Or if you don't want to talk, you say something like, I manage data. They'll be like, that's the worst drugs.

[D]

When you lie and tell them that.

[C]

You work there, and then they take.

[D]

It and they say, me too. And now you're stuck, trapped.

[A]

Like, can you believe they made us.

[D]

Do all those hours on Christmas?

[E]

Like, I never had that one. That's why you can't say Amazon.

[A]

You know why I with you?

[C]

A million reasons.

[A]

I'm waiting today. Then you know why I with you? You know that? A million and one. But one of them, if you're asking, is he makes sure that anything he talk about in his life that I don't know about his math so good. He predated, right? I'm sitting here doing math.

[C]

Everything he said.

[A]

You know, I used to walk, work downtown in Wall Street.

[C]

I'm like, hold up now.

[A]

When did I meet this nigga? When did I meet this? What year? What was the day he. He pushed all your 20s was you make. You make your 20s sound like. And you better, too, Joe.

[C]

I worked right there at one before I met you. At One Liberty.

[A]

Before I met you, I worked there. Ice. Did you know him then?

[C]

No.

[A]

He could really lie about all that. That's the thing about them that migrate to different cities from D.C. to New York. He could tell any lie he want.

[D]

Dog, this life seems so interesting because I promise you, yo, when we talk, especially because, you know, me and him had certain stuff in common, and we talk about the street, and then he talks, like, just random. Me, oh, I used to work downtown. It's like, when. Like, the way I've done my own calculations, Ish was a drug lord in, like, fourth grade. Like, there had to be a fourth, seventh grade type of run.

[A]

The shortest drug lord ever, too.

[D]

But he still was a drug lord.

[C]

Do fourth to seventh grade anything. There you go.

[D]

Allegedly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is wrong with you?

[D]

Come on, now, your fingertips still.

[A]

What else needs our attention?

[B]

What else is some Grammy, some Grammy news coming up? One thing that got me excited as a Philadelphian was that Eve finally got her Grammy. Did y' all peep that?

[E]

I did not.

[A]

No.

[B]

The Grammys finally awarded her her Grammy for your Got Me.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

You know, she was left off of that song.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[D]

Great. Philadelphia was raised.

[A]

We making some noise for that.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Philly making noise again.

[D]

He's so petty.

[A]

Y' all. Caught one again.

[B]

For those that don't know, Eve is the one doing the rap on youn Got Me by the roots of Erica. But she was a sort of unknown talent at the time, and there were some things that happened.

[A]

Oh, shit. More Philly. I forgot. This nigga from Philly, too.

[D]

He doing us crazy today, too.

[A]

Yo, my.

[C]

My man.

[A]

For my man. Family of the show. Zaire Franklin on the side.

[B]

I forgot.

[A]

I forgot he was Philly, too.

[D]

Yeah, nigga, we in here.

[A]

But he should be silent today. Cause he came here last time and then didn't win a game. He should be pretty quiet today. Hey, I got him. Hey, hey, I got a mic there. If you find your Konas again.

[D]

Z, you.

[A]

You came here and popped it and then.

[B]

Come on, have a seat, man.

[A]

You got. Look at my boy. And this my man. I don't let play with Z neither. Y' all better not play with my boy out there. Look at Mon.

[C]

Look at Mo.

[D]

He.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

That's the first time I heard him without the gravel.

[D]

Listen, the story.

[B]

The gravel. She turned a mini Riverton out this.

[D]

Y' all can do this podcast without me. I'm leaving. Tell Zaire. Tell them that we cool. We have a parasocial relationship for years.

[A]

No. First of all, Mona, we locked in. First of all, Joe, that's crazy that.

[C]

You was gonna bark on me right when I walked in. I come in to see my family. Just check in, you know, when I'm in the city when I don't check.

[A]

In your D saying I'm pulling up. Check in with the game.

[C]

I've been through some, dog. You know, we tired play them games.

[A]

I've been carrying the guilt with me. Like I was. I'm like, yo, my man came in and didn't win. Another funny talk about a turnaround of a season. I was mad, bro.

[C]

I was sad, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I was depressed. I ain't gonna hold you. Look, I just broke up with the season. The season. Ben broke up with me. Dang. So that's pretty much how I go. I'm moving on.

[A]

I'm back wearing jewelry. It's a good day. It's a good day. It's a good day. It's a good day. Who you got in the game? Who you got in the big game? Can you say it?

[C]

I got Seattle. Respectfully, Yeah, I got Seattle. Respectfully. But, yeah, look, I'm at home, so it is what it is. I'm watching at the crib. Big screen on.

[A]

So you got Seattle in a close one or we gonna be getting popcorn at some point?

[C]

It's definitely gonna be a close game because. You mean New England is a good team. They got a good coach and all that, but Seattle got a lot going on on both sides. On both sides. Like, they've been scoring, they've been playing defense like they restive.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And they gotta get. Get back for. For Sherman. All them, so they gotta get back for all that. So. But I pulled up for the fight. To be honest with you. I could pull up the top boxing today. Respectfully, I'm.

[D]

I'm.

[C]

I'm going to the fight tomorrow.

[A]

Oh, let's. Let's talk the fight. Gervonte, you got extra T. Boxing don't.

[C]

Do that to big Jersey, bro. Don't do that.

[A]

Javante from Jersey.

[D]

Fighting tomorrow. That's the sport I really watch.

[A]

What?

[C]

Boxing? That's.

[A]

That's a Philly sport.

[C]

First of all. Philly really run this pod. Can we talk about that?

[A]

This really a Philly pod, man, make some noise for. Good to see you, bro.

[D]

All that if me and. Or get back to back, we really put down in here.

[C]

No, that's the thing about everybody, except for my girl.

[A]

Unive the out of y'.

[D]

All. Nah, to the scary sight.

[C]

No, no, Come on, bro. Yo, the up part is you just going to leave mark off.

[A]

It's not about that academics out here. She says.

[D]

Back to back. We only got two backs.

[A]

Why you couldn't go back to back with him? He been here.

[D]

He's the biggest. So why wouldn't we go back to back with him? So he can be kicking in the chest.

[A]

We rumbling.

[C]

We coming from the shoulders.

[A]

All hooks and hangovers.

[C]

Hey, look, no, somebody got. Somebody got to put the bail money up. That's what Mark is. He gotta fight the case. You know what I'm saying? Philosopher. He gonna get us, right?

[A]

You know what I'm saying? You the richest lawyer. Whoa. See, why you always gotta do this?

[C]

I just heard your drug empire. They about to make a BFF series. Why you always doing one episode? Hey, look, that's more than us.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, it's good to see you. It's good to see you. I'm glad you're here. Shout out to Stevenson and the fighter. Who's he fighting? Anybody good?

[C]

Yeah, that's a good jo, bro. Say, msg, too.

[A]

It's a good jo. Hey, whatever.

[C]

No, it's a. This. This one of them.

[A]

I have no idea. I don't.

[C]

He from your town, too? He from. He from the land. He from New, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, wait, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Here you go.

[C]

He fight.

[A]

He.

[C]

Oh, I gotta.

[A]

It's. It's somebody tough from Jersey that fights Shakur.

[C]

He gotta prove it today.

[A]

No, somebody else.

[C]

Somebody else.

[A]

Shakur.

[D]

Who's the other one?

[C]

Shakur is the.

[A]

We know that part. I know that. I know. I'm not.

[C]

Oh, you said. Was he fighting?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, he fighting. Teofimo. It's a good joint, though. He got the belts. He's tough. It's a good.

[A]

John, you wearing your jewelry to the fight?

[C]

Am I wearing my jewelry to the fight? Yeah, you know, so I want to. But last time I pulled up to MSG with Joe. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[A]

Hold on, parts. Hold on, parts. Slow down.

[C]

You see, that's a lot to say.

[A]

This is your first time seeing him with his linebacker neck.

[C]

Look, first and foremost, let's just keep this look, no frilly. Not that far. You get what I'm saying? They can make their way up here. We gotta do that respectfully. Shout out to the city. But last time we pull up the msg, I had my jury on. Jobet was like, him and a random person. We walking in, they. We can see him coming. I'm.

[A]

Damn, Joe, I'm with you. What the.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

I had all my jury on. I'm in that joint shining. I'm thinking. We about to pull up at the game. Pop it, tuck it.

[A]

Nah, tuck the chain.

[D]

We ain't tuck it.

[C]

He made me nervous, though. Cause my driver. See, my driver didn't know where to park either. That was a problem. New York does that to people. So, like, Joe driver was right there. Joe walked off right to the car. My driver was.

[A]

He was down the street, had to get to the driver.

[C]

Joe said. Joe said, yo, you straight?

[A]

Oh, I said, no. I said, no, I'm good now. I said, no.

[C]

I said, no, I'm good. He left you.

[D]

He left you.

[C]

Z me. He waited. He was like, he. No, he checked. Nah, he like. He like, yo, you sure you straight? I said my time like that.

[A]

Be clear. It took me and my driver at least eight years to synchronize that.

[C]

Him being outside his driver was the worst with that. He the homie.

[A]

But no on God.

[D]

Is this the same driver that will stop and make salot.

[A]

This is my.

[D]

And Joe, can you please stop praising God and come the on.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

No, it's my. It's my same driver. Well, I'm happy to see you.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Good to see you, man.

[C]

How y' all doing? Check in. I heard y' all cook today too, so.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

On Fridays, we cook my business, but it's short ribs.

[C]

You should have seen what she found out it was short ribs.

[D]

I mean, come on.

[C]

Pulled up to get busy.

[A]

Okay. What else needs. What else needs our attention? We. We got. We got. We got to get back to work at some point.

[B]

So we talking about the Grammys.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the Grammys.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. We shouted out the Eve for that. But also, there's a tribute to d' Angelo coming up that we should be very excited about. I hope.

[A]

Lauryn Hill, d', Angelo, Amber. Bert Flack, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

Yes. Yes. D. And Roberta Flack, which. Which is why Lauren Hill is the perfect person.

[A]

What time is that starting?

[B]

They told her today.

[C]

Should be there.

[B]

So it should be.

[A]

It should.

[B]

She should be there, right? For saddle check.

[C]

Stop it.

[D]

It's true.

[E]

N. She showed up on time for whatever that was last time. She.

[D]

Facts, bro.

[C]

Y. Check the moon, right?

[D]

Legends like us.

[B]

I love Lauryn Hill. Shout out to Laura Hill. There was a little controversy about d' Angelo's son being invited.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Did y' all see that?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He put a public statement out saying he's excited that the Grammys would be honoring d', Angelo, but wishes that he could have been invited, that he had, that he'd been sort of contacted to be in the audience. He has since been invited. I'm sure the Grammy side of it, if I understand correctly, is that he was invited. There's some communication gap. Not that he was not invited, but who know? I don't know the truth behind it, but I do know he will be in attendance. That's a beautiful thing. Lauren Hill, I'm sure, is.

[D]

He sings, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I wonder why they wouldn't let him sing too. Or is that weird if it was them to singing his dad tribute.

[B]

Having somebody sing at the Grammys is a lot. I mean. I mean, he. I've heard him sing. He's. I mean, he's the. He's the child of. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Angie Stone questions. I don't want to hear no more.

[A]

Chuckling for real. No, that wasn't the question.

[C]

That wasn't.

[D]

It ain't about. Listen what our mom say. It's no such thing as a dumb question.

[C]

I don't want.

[D]

You know.

[C]

That wasn't the question. That wasn't. No, I'm laughing at.

[B]

Okay, yeah.

[A]

No, yeah.

[B]

It's the right question that Cory was laughing.

[C]

How well does he sing?

[B]

He. He. He's a singer. He's a singer.

[C]

No, that's.

[B]

He can sing.

[A]

Your dog.

[E]

This is not the top.

[A]

It's the Grammys, dog.

[C]

But it's the Grammys.

[A]

It's the Grammys, dog. This night is reserved for world class. He's a best of the best.

[B]

And Lauren Hill's there.

[A]

All right. So have him sing on your podcast.

[C]

It's supposed to be called Diamond Albums, bro. Y said something.

[A]

I wish I would see d'. Angelo. I would feel like. Imagine if Jamie Fox's daughter. Oh.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[A]

This bro.

[D]

Cut that out first. Y cut that out.

[A]

I get up. Believe that we allowed him to do that. No, it was only me and freeze. Again.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I can't believe they let us hear the sax solo for Jamie Fox's daughter.

[B]

I thought she's very talented. I enjoyed it.

[A]

I know, Mark. I know. She was very talented.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But no, instead of Michael doing the tribute, Lauren Hill will. And it's going to be really great. Obviously, she covered Killing me Softly, so it makes sense. And obviously, obviously she did. What's the song? Anything. Nothing even matters with d'. Angelo. So it kind of fits anyway.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

But I think it's gonna be well produced, it's gonna be dope. I'm expecting a good Grammy weekend.

[E]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

I can't wait.

[C]

Now, you said they honoring. They giving Eve her credit for that Song.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Does Jill Scott get a handle? I just seen something like, she said she wrote that Jill gotta do. She got a Grammy.

[B]

She got a Grammy as a writer. And even though she didn't get to obviously sing it, they got Erica to do it because Jill was unknown at the time. But Eve, she wasn't even, like, credit on the record when that. When that album came out. Things fall apart. Like, she's not even on the. On the cd.

[C]

That's crazy.

[D]

Because of the video, people really just assumed that Erica was the rapper.

[C]

That's an amazing video. They don't even sound the same. Y' all was slow back in the day before, like, Apple music and all that kicked in, you could really look shit up. Y' all was just believing anything.

[A]

Old niggas. We used to print out paperwork to.

[D]

Find how hard we had to go. It was called MapQuest.

[C]

I did that before. I ain't that young. Oh, yeah, that's cool.

[A]

Where'd she live? Los Angeles. Let's have a robbery free weekend. Let's have a shootout and murder free weekend. Let's have nobody get beat up, slapped on, or jumped on free weekend. More importantly, let's have a. Nobody else gets arrested by ice in front of the actual Grammy. Like, there's a lot of room for catastrophe to take place this weekend. Awesome. What the Grammys are doing. I think they're gonna absolutely kill this broadcast for the reasons that Mark said for the Brandy award that she's getting for. It's just. It's just a good time to see musicians. I always feel like that after the Golden Globes and the Emmys. Anyway.

[E]

Same.

[A]

Like, after I see all of the. The actors, I'm ready to see us getting our bag. And so it's gonna be a really good weekend, but please be careful. Head on a swivel, swivel level.

[B]

Level five.

[D]

To be aware.

[A]

Not one. Not the slow swivel, fast swivel. Watch your surroundings. Be careful. If you're checking in, be careful of that.

[E]

It's already bad enough with all the bullshitting and fake phony baloney you got to go through. Don't get robbed, too. You know what I mean?

[A]

For real. And y' all watch. Be careful of the phony checking. Well, you rappers are so gullible.

[D]

Nah, really, to be aware is to be a lot live. You got to be on point, baby.

[A]

Checking in with a that's about to light your matches. You relying on the to keep you safe.

[C]

You think you good.

[A]

They about to light your whole matchbook. That Deep. Oh, my God.

[D]

You checked in when you. When you was a rapper, you never checked in on Cali?

[A]

No, no, I didn't live that lifestyle. I didn't have to do that.

[D]

All right?

[A]

I stayed. What TLC said, the real rivers in the lakes that you're used to.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

And when I go. Went to the show, I wasn't ever. There was no point in my career. Well, maybe the first two years, when different things were going on, that I wanted to have a million around me.

[D]

Oh, good.

[A]

Even to this day, when I see people do it, it's not something that I think is attractive.

[B]

I understand.

[A]

I understand it, but I'm not. That's just not how I move.

[C]

That invites attention, man.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And you got to pay the check all the time. Don't have no money.

[C]

No.

[A]

Even if everybody got money, it's Grammy weekend. Everybody out here can have. The whole crew could have money. What door are you walking up to with you and all your people with money that's letting all 20 of y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

There's only one person with the. With the notoriety that we love, he can get two. Everybody out here. Somebody. Yeah. So all that picking up the phone, making a call. Yeah. No, that. When I learned the lesson when them. All them clubs was open on 27th street, you used to go over there.

[C]

With 5, 6, 7, thinking y' all about to have a blast.

[A]

Them New York doorman to set you right straight. Michael Paul and. And this is when it wasn't him. Well, he'll set you straight, too, but. Yeah. Nah, Joe, we got you. Them other.

[C]

Suck a dick.

[D]

Would you go in or would you leave with them?

[A]

Depends.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

The rule of thumb.

[C]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

That's a tough joint, bro.

[A]

If you leave, you can pull up all y' all.

[C]

Hopped out the joint, y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Flexing everybody. We counting up all we got. All everybody back his uber weight. All right, Bet. Cool. Then you pull up to the door. That year, we only taking three and there 15, y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

And then you slide, see? Well, I'mma just hit you. You pull your man aside. The one that could corral everybody you.

[A]

Yo, look, bro, check it out there.

[C]

Look, I'mma just catch y', all, like, in a week. Just take them there. I'm going just meet y'. All.

[A]

The rule of thumb is y' all pull up together, y' all leave together. But I'd be lying to you if I said that there Wasn't a time. That's the other thing about a group. You got to love the whole group equally. A few of these, you don't really care that they can't. You don't really care. You ain't even. You my man.

[C]

Like, that man's man.

[A]

I'd be lying to you if I said it was a few times where I turned around, looked seven niggas in the eye, and said, I'm going to go head on in, try to find the right person to rap with. Give me five minutes, and then you go in the club and Goldfinger dj, and you go on the second floor. Every chick you've been looking for is up here grabbing your dick. Dance with me. Take my. No. Oh, Joe, I be lying, snatching at your peace. You made that. I'm talking about a specific run when all them Clubs was on 27th Street. I'm talking about it. It used to get. If. If. If it was a good night outside, you forget all about them 7. But that only happened to me maybe two times. Normally we go together, but after that, I'm never coming with y' all again.

[C]

Yeah, it was home guest house came prom.

[A]

Yeah, New York was. Don't get up. Don't get us to reminiscing about war stories, man. Okay, that's our favorite thing to do as we. Be careful out there for Grammy weekend. I look forward to an amazing broadcast. Congratulations to all of the nominees. Everybody worked hard. This is the moment that a lot of y' all worked hard for. So salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. What else? What else? What else? Anything else in music that is important because I want to talk about Steph Curry and them and them Tims.

[B]

That's the only thing on the board.

[D]

That's my heat up. Single soul Tims. Like, why is that?

[A]

Now, some. Somebody explained to Mona, and I did see some niggas online that are like, yo, I never knew that this was a thing. They didn't get somebody.

[D]

Don't y' all dare say nah.

[C]

Look, Mona, you gotta understand, bro, these regional fleets, bro, they really be from all over the place. They really never grew up on these same, like, principles. Like, you'll be surprised how many of my teammates really didn't pull me to the side. Yo, Z. Like, these the right. These are the right Tims. And I really gotta be like, nah. You know what I'm saying? Those are butt nakeds you can't wear.

[A]

Wicked.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? You gotta get the gum bottom. You feel me?

[B]

If you walk around with no leather. Yeah, they butt naked.

[A]

Boneless. Boneless Tim. That's funny.

[C]

They not. They really not from there. So he really genuinely don't know. He's from North Carolina. They just. They don't even buy Tims down there. They don't wear boots. It's warm all year round. They don't. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

I can tell by his haircut that he would wear a single. No disrespect. He got that single. He got a butt haircut.

[A]

But even outside.

[D]

Even outside of the he do his haircut gives. I would wear a single soul T for a fact.

[C]

They got a butt naked haircut real outside of.

[A]

Outside of the tent.

[C]

The.

[D]

The.

[A]

The single souls. Did you just see how he laced his tent?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm just looking mess nasty like you were the greatest shooter on earth. I'm blaming that on Aisha Curry.

[D]

Why is she calling?

[B]

I can't let you do that.

[C]

I can't let you do that.

[E]

That's not how she's not supposed to know.

[A]

That's got to be supposed to.

[C]

It's really on Draymond, bro. It's got to be on somebody on your team. Got to let you know, like, yo, bro, look. This how you got carried?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't just. You can't put that on her, bro. She don't know either.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. They.

[A]

I can put. Put that on her. When I picture Steph Curry, greatest shooter in the world. Wardell out at the club after a win or at the lounge like at away game. His Tim's is all right when he walk in there, dog. That's war down. But when he back home, study sh. Throwing the old ball and shame. Yeah, let me be tied.

[E]

He look like you wear Uggs.

[A]

Usually my man looked crazy, but he having a blast ever since his sneaker contract ended. So he's doing what he want. He doing what he want. He wearing what he want. He the man.

[C]

You make that much money went viral.

[D]

For a butt naked.

[A]

God damn. I feel like when you the greatest in the world, it's something though. Like you should just be judged differently.

[E]

No, you should be judged if you're wearing them Tims regardless of your whoever you basic though.

[C]

I gotta. I gotta judge you just basically off of that, bro. Again, nobody in your world told you all the I see he got the double. I got you.

[D]

It say so much about your character.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Cuz they're not even that much cheaper. The but Next is only $10 cheaper.

[A]

Than but so somebody explained to the.

[B]

Audit, they used to be like 99 and like 1.

[A]

They're not way cheaper. They're not way cheaper today right next.

[C]

To similar went up so high as hell.

[D]

Yeah, Butters is 250.

[C]

You got to get the gum bottoms. That's really what it come down to, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? You get the wheat jones, the thin.

[E]

The thin sole and the at the top. That's how you tell.

[C]

You got to get the dumb bottoms, brother.

[D]

At the top.

[C]

N. We should go beef and Brock, how you carry?

[D]

I mean, I like.

[C]

You can't even come in my neighborhood with them.

[D]

Let me see ever.

[E]

I don't even think I ever seen them on the timberland site. They don't even.

[C]

Marshall. I don't know. Yo, and the W is because it was complex sneakers that I saw posted. They set them up.

[A]

No, of course, duh, they set them up.

[C]

They served him right up.

[A]

The whole Internet been like, as soon.

[C]

As I saw it, I said, yo, just go to the quotes. Go to the quotes. Yeah, that's going. They was going crazy, son.

[A]

I bought a pair of those before, but unknowingly, like, I went to buy the regular pair and then they put some other in the box and you don't know till you get home.

[E]

I had it when I was like 14.

[B]

I had it when I was a young boy.

[D]

Y' all know, making me honesty coming out.

[B]

It was like 94, though. 1994.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about back then. Yeah, I'm definitely talking about back then. Steph, we love you, man.

[E]

Get the real shits.

[A]

Yeah, come on, man. Splurge. Splurge a little.

[B]

They still look new. I wore them shits one time in school. I learned.

[C]

I learned quick.

[B]

Oh, he killed me at the butt naked zone.

[C]

What was the one time y' all wore some fake shirts?

[A]

Did you have shirt socks on?

[B]

Nah. Back then, I used to actually care about how it looked.

[A]

What did you say?

[C]

What was the one time y' all wore some fake stuff to school and didn't know until your homies that order school let you know that that ain't.

[B]

Thorough Some I no fake.

[D]

I wore. I wore the sims that used to have pro on it. The construction ones. Yeah, I wore them. Yeah, but I bought them at Sears. I bought them at Sears. My. I didn't know, like, I had did my first little sell candy.

[C]

Little?

[D]

You mean I'mma buy my own boots? I'm like, damn, these ain't even that expensive. And I Was always grown. My mom was just talking about the last night. Like, this girl was grown since 10. Where are my drawings? In school. Kids and I went to school. All the kids from the projects, they me up. I ain't even make it into school. They me up in front where the buses is at.

[A]

Yo, I ain't gonna hold you. Costco's just dropped the Kirkland dunks.

[C]

Oh, yeah, they hard.

[A]

They hard.

[C]

The gray joints, they hard.

[B]

Not buying them from Costco.

[A]

No, no. These Kirkland dunks, they are hard.

[B]

Put them in the cart.

[A]

They hard. Nah. Do I still have my Costco's card? I know I got it somewhere. Costco's always smell like hot dogs. All right, what else is important? What else is important? What else is important? What else?

[B]

What else? It's a sad update, but I think it's worth mentioning. Ray J has addressed the rumors that he is not well.

[A]

Oh, has he?

[B]

Yeah, and he's confirmed them. He says that he has months to live.

[A]

I'm not doing this with Ray J, man.

[B]

What'd you say?

[A]

I ain't doing this with Ray J. Joey.

[D]

Don't believe it.

[B]

It's not that.

[A]

I. It's not that. It's not that.

[B]

I'm just gonna tell you what he said. He said, I'm on eight different meds for heart issues. He said that he went to doctors who gave him the bad news that they're not sure how long he has to live, and they recommend he stay in bed and take his medication. He could be being dramatic because saying, I don't know how long you have to live, that could mean you could live to be a thousand. Right. But he made it. He said he doesn't think he's gonna make it to 2027. And he showed some pictures of him in the bed with.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, all the stuff attached to his body. I'm just saying a lot of people assume that it's because it's Ray J. And he does things for attention sometimes.

[A]

What the is the issue?

[D]

People say stuff like that, and they say the fucking issue.

[B]

He says it's hard. He said his heart on.

[E]

25% of his heart say he was drinking multiple bottles of alcohol and all types of Adderalls and all types of shit powder.

[B]

Yeah, Adderall.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

Mona, put that powder on anybody. Listen, look, you put that powder on anybody?

[A]

No, I don't.

[D]

It's already in the arena, though. If a say I was drinking a bunch of liquor, eating Aderall, it's like, okay, you was eating Aderall.

[C]

Congestive heart.

[D]

That's what cocaine does to your heart, babe. That's what coke does. It beats. It beats it up.

[A]

It does. It do. Yeah.

[B]

As do other things. I don't know whether Ray J's ever done cocaine or not.

[C]

I'm not putting that on.

[A]

I don't.

[D]

What is wrong with y'? All.

[B]

I'm saying I wasn't. I've never been in a room with.

[D]

Him doing cocaine call. Don't call me right.

[A]

Ray J.

[D]

Beef. I'm not playing coke on him. But he give a little pilot like some pilot, bro.

[C]

It's not no disrespect to him, bro.

[D]

Go ahead.

[B]

I don't know what he do, but he said the doctors had told him not to drink or smoke. And he said that's very hard for him, but he's trying to stay on the straight and narrow and that all this made him realize that he needs to change his way of living, including not being able to see his kids. And I think that's part of his depression right now.

[D]

I think the whole plot boys to go get back home that think I'm dying. She might let me move back in for the last eight months. That's the whole point. I see you right? Good move.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Tight.

[A]

Young money, yo. Y' all watch how y' all big. Walk in here too. Go down too.

[C]

You walked in this looking like an extra 40 pounds, yo.

[A]

Speed of. He left the Colts and found life.

[C]

Don't do that.

[A]

We not doing that. We not doing that.

[C]

We not doing that. We not doing that.

[A]

All right, fine.

[C]

Fine, fine, fine.

[A]

Anyway, what was we saying now? We was just wrapping up Prayers, aj. Prayers up for AJ Pray. This is too serious of a matter for me to not believe him and say that, right? Even if it's too much. It's too much on the line. And at stake, I would pray that as much of a jokester and troll as Ray J is, that it wouldn't be with this and like that. I believe words can speak truth to power. Like there's power in them. Like you can will some shit to existence. And assuming that all of this is true, I would like Ray J to have. Have more faith in his higher power. Right? Like, the doctor is one thing, but the doctor is not God.

[C]

That's a fact.

[A]

I know way too many people. A lot of people that have. Damn, we got so much trauma that have been in this situation before. I've seen many outlive the doctor's projection of Their life. My grandfather being one of those people, when they told him he had a year, he had four or five more than they. He went back, they said, oh, no, he's good now. He had another seven, eight years after they gave him a year. I know some other people where they was only supposed to live for a year. They on year three. And I've seen it go the other way, where the projection is spot on. Dead right. Normally you're going before the doctor even said that. So your will to live is important in those moments?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing, I think.

[A]

Yeah. Your will to live is really, really, really important. So, Ray J, I love you. I hope that this is untrue in the event that it is, you know, I just love you and appreciate you and all that you've done for us. So shout out to Ray J. Let's see, let's see. So we're done with Steph Curry. We're done with Ray J. We did the Grammy weekend. Now, I won't go there just yet. I do have a question for y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

I don't want to talk about Nick. Nicki Minaj, thank you. Word. I'm not. We're done.

[C]

Okay. However.

[A]

If you had a trump Amex, where the would you be pulling it out at?

[C]

Like, if I had that, I would.

[A]

Be scared to death to pull that out with Trump face on.

[C]

This. You could get over a lot places in that John, bro.

[B]

That'll get you.

[A]

There's no way where as a black man or as a black man, that's a different situation. I'm not talking about where it's cool. I'm just talking about where I would feel cool.

[C]

Well, that means that's because you ain't aligned with a lot of the. The. Like, it's the. That agree with some of that or a lot of that. They'll be proud as hell to pull that trump card out.

[A]

Yo, if we just putting faces on Amex cars, then I got a list of people I want on mine, starting with me. Yeah.

[C]

What is somebody gonna do with the drill?

[A]

Amex? No, I'm just talking about me.

[C]

You want your own on?

[A]

Yeah, I want my own. Let's bring back that level of vanity.

[C]

I'm with you. If you're able to put your own face. Yeah.

[A]

Why I can't get one with my girl? That's what really face need to be on. Suspended. Everything.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

All right, you guys.

[C]

Anything, Anything.

[A]

All right, that's the end of that topic.

[B]

That one got me.

[C]

You took it there? Nope. I'm looking at the tree.

[A]

Done. All right, fine. Movement.

[B]

But since we want to, can we talk about Don Lemon?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Please.

[A]

Oh, that's what I was trying to.

[B]

Get to with the Grammy shit.

[A]

Thank you, Mark.

[C]

Grammy shit.

[A]

Thank you, Marty.

[C]

Definitely went to that freedom, man.

[A]

Me and Mark had it. You fucked us up, man.

[B]

I did. Don Lemon was in Los Angeles preparing to cover the Grammys for the weekend when he was arrested by federal officials. The FBI was involved, according to sources, as well as the hsi, which is like the investigative branch of ice. Apparently, he's been arrested along with four other people for his alleged involvement in a protest at a church a couple of weeks ago. Of course, Don wasn't, as I understand it, talking to him and watching it. He was there as a journalist covering the protest.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But he's under Trump's thumb right now. He's in the crosshairs of the government, and so he was arrested last night. Captain carried away. His lawyer issued a statement saying, they're gonna fight this, but right now, this is all hands on deck. This is a big.

[A]

What's the charge? Disrupting some religious shit, right?

[B]

Yeah. The argument is that when the protesters protested inside of the church and waged a demonstration inside of the church, that they trampled upon the First Amendment rights of the people in the church, their freedom to practice their religion. The reason they protested inside the church was because one of the pastors is an ICE agent and was collaborating to get people locked up. And so they were protesting the pastor in the church. There's debates about that. I don't necessarily love, even tactically, going into churches and protest. I just think it's. We end up talking about this instead of the ICE shit.

[A]

I don't love that. And then packing a Grammy bag. No, but he was just covering the church.

[B]

He was just there as a journalist.

[C]

You said you can't be in both ways.

[A]

You can't be lit and not getting it.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

You can't be revolutionary and be turned.

[D]

Mark. Is he home now?

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[C]

You got to be versatile.

[B]

I. I spoke to his team.

[C]

Mark, you think you can go through the red carpet?

[B]

I used to do that.

[A]

They will snatch your ass.

[B]

I used to go. I went from Ferguson to VH1 live.

[A]

Okay, but I'm talking. We talking about today.

[B]

Today. I mean, I wouldn't risk it, but. But I think. And the thing is, they tried to issue an arrest warrant for the people the judges overturned.

[A]

They said no.

[B]

The federal judges Said no. Don Lemon went on the Hill and did an interview and said, look, the judges have said no, but I believe Trump wants me. He's gonna go around the law behind the law. He's gonna ignore the judges. He's gonna find a way. So Don Lemon was keenly aware that they were on him, but he still gotta work. And I think there's some value to going to the Grammys and getting arrested in LA at the Grammys. I would've rather been on Monday morning or Sunday night, but like.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, but everybody saw it. And it's national awareness. Yeah, it brings awareness to it.

[A]

Trump's had the flight log.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

They should for sure.

[D]

That crazy man.

[C]

They locked up another journalist for the same Georgia fort. But when they knocked on her door, she was recording the. Like, they knocked on the door, they had the warrant, they arrested her. She recorded mostly the whole.

[E]

They're also describing what happened in the church as a riot.

[D]

And it was.

[B]

And an attack on the church, which is completely absurd. There was no riot. They weren't attacking people. They weren't even trying to stop people from praying or worshiping again. I don't love the idea of running into people's religious temples and doing stuff. I feel like you could protest outside the church or wait. Strategically, I just think it's a bad idea because it becomes a distraction and immorally.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like.

[D]

I feel like.

[B]

But it's tough when the pastor's giving people away to ice.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like that is an example of, like, the stuff when I say, like, how we. It was taboo to ask who you voting for and you didn't cut your friends off of voting for the shit is not different. Now if you are pastor and you preaching, you know all this to God.

[C]

Come as you are.

[D]

You cannot sell niggas out to. You have. Yes. We need to run down on you at your job because you're not a real pastor. Apparently a real pastor would not work with ice. Dare I say it?

[C]

So you can't go to the church just because you have. You're about the ICE situation. But you can storm the capitol, bruh.

[B]

There's an argument that the capital is a public. A public facility it up like y'.

[C]

All was in there wilding the out.

[B]

I'm with you.

[C]

I mean, what I'm trying to understand is they took a stole laptops. You.

[B]

You stole.

[C]

And those people got their convictions overturned. Hey, but Mark, I'm trying to understand, though, how does you interrupting the church congregation or service end up being a federal crime? That's where like federally though. That's what I'm saying. Like in my, my opinion, if it was something with the city or the state, if he had a warrant or something like that issued in Minnesota, that would make sense. How does, does that turn federal, though?

[B]

Because it's civil rights. It's a civil rights. It's a civil rights violation because they have a, they have a civil right and a constitutional right to gather. To gather and to practice their religion.

[C]

So they picking and choosing which civil rights people have.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[D]

And it's a lie because they didn't stop people from praying.

[C]

That's what they did.

[A]

That's the part that shouldn't be a surprise. Like, that's the.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They're picking and choosing. And how they frame one thing versus how they frame another thing is we suspect to be in some type of.

[C]

Were six people heroes. The nurse that got shot was a terrorist. ICE is nuts, bro.

[B]

It's absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. It's like when you're in the funny mirror house in the, in the park.

[D]

But didn't ICE just get defunded? Didn't they just take. Took all the funding or. No, does that not.

[B]

No, ICE has not been defunded. But they're talking about, you know, they have made some adjustments, but they're, it's, it's window dressing. Like they're still occupying.

[C]

With a big budget.

[B]

Yeah. With a big, huge. And the Attorney general, she made us, she tweeted out today. The four people, by the way, all four of the people that were arrested were black. I don't think that's a coincidence either. It's not, you know, so there's just a lot to pay attention to. But we can't be outraged enough at this. This is a big fucking deal. Don Lemon has been a thorn in Donald Trump's side since he was an anchor at cnn. So this is retribution. This isn't just about what happened in Minnesota. This is Donald Trump saying, I'm gonna arrest my enemies.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

I'm gonna lock up my enemies. I'm gonna harass my enemies. I'm gonna intimidate journalists. I'm gonna make all journalists the enemy of the state. I mean, this is McCarthy era stuff. This is like the 1950s, 40s 50s. Assault on free speech, privacy, academic freedom, journalistic freedom. This is as bad as it gets.

[C]

This is a really bad one. The President, they just a gangster, they just like a mobster. That's how he's moving. They just put before Congress a bid, and it's a Democratic senator. I forgot her name, but she made a. A tweak and said, yo, I' ma sign it as long as we're saying that Americans can't be deported. And when the official bill came through, the tweak was missing.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

So they, like trying to set it up to where you can revoke citizenship. You out of here. My.

[B]

Yeah, they want to be able to revoke, especially national citizenship. Yes. It's.

[C]

This is.

[B]

This is a big deal. I think Don Lemon is going to be okay. I think he's going to come home soon. If not. If he's not home. As of the time we recorded this, he was still.

[A]

Don did a bid before, though, right? They locked Don up for some other. And he was cool, remember?

[B]

I think they did. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Donna G. Don gonna be good, man. Free Don. And be. I mean, protest, but carefully be aware.

[D]

Y' all gotta be on point. They are shooting you. You gotta go to that pro. It's not the process that you bring your kids to. It's not the process that you come just so you can vlog, and it's the process where you grease your face up.

[A]

Oh, man, what a great weekend vibe, man, for this part, man. I'm feeling. That's all I'm feeling so sunny and bright and just.

[D]

Ah.

[A]

Oh. So Jason Tatum told me to tell you guys.

[E]

Sold out of the shoes first.

[A]

First of all, I need everybody. Anybody sizes. Jason Tatum loved is screaming his size at the camera pause. He also said, that was wild. You have to relax in parks. He said, knock it off. He is not A and ring LMA's project.

[E]

That's what it was announced.

[A]

And y' all shut up.

[B]

We responded to the.

[A]

He didn't say shut up. He said, I love y', all and I might. But, you know. Good.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

We're all happy.

[A]

My bad.

[B]

Jt, we love you, man. Unless you playing the sixes.

[A]

Facts.

[C]

Word.

[A]

Are you taking selfies?

[D]

I did.

[A]

You look good.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

What else, what else, what else, what else, what else? Just making sure here. We did fat banks. I don't feel comfortable doing Kevin Gates right now after the Don Lemon segment.

[B]

Can I ask you a question, Joe?

[D]

No.

[B]

You wrote something on the board.

[A]

Me?

[B]

It was written on the board. Is it weird when folks won't date in the city they live in?

[C]

Cause they a hoe?

[D]

Probably.

[C]

That probably makes sense. It's not weird.

[E]

I think it's weird when people have rules in general. About dating.

[D]

What you mean?

[B]

The city you live in is tough, though.

[C]

Not always.

[E]

Like, having parameters for who, what, where, why you're gonna date is just a strange.

[C]

I would never date a woman from Philadelphia in my whole life. I knew that from the beginning. I would never in my life ever date a woman from Philly. Respectfully, though, because they crazy and they really could fight. I don't want to deal with that.

[B]

Oh, that's okay.

[C]

Like, they are really crazy. But I would never date a woman from Philly. I. I knew that from a kid. I always knew that my wife was not in Philly. I knew that.

[B]

But see, that ain't about the city you live in, cuz. You could.

[D]

You just knew.

[B]

You ain't with Philly women. You could have been from Delaware.

[C]

I was going to the NFL. I made this decision in sixth grade. I would have been the. I didn't know where I was going. I knew from a kid I was never gonna date somebody from Philadelphia, and I stood on that.

[D]

I think that's common. Anytime women talk in, you talk to the bitch from Houston. Oh, girl, don't fuck with these niggas down here. Like, people do that.

[C]

They go out of niggas down there know about.

[A]

See, but listen, I know that people do that. I'm more so talking about how do those people believe that it's received.

[C]

No, my, my.

[A]

Like when you hear somebody say, say, yo, I don't date in my city, like, what do they think that says?

[C]

I ask why? So one of my people's.

[A]

Hey ish. Peoples.

[C]

One of my people, she from D.C. and she was explaining. She said, yo, like the social circle that you running in, all of the girls in your circle don't. With the it boys in the town. Like, if you in a little small town. Like, if you in north. Everybody in Newark knows everybody in north. So if you a.

[E]

It's not a small town.

[C]

New about say, huh?

[E]

That's not a small town, by the way. Newark.

[A]

Newark.

[C]

Yes, it is. No, it is.

[E]

It's like half a million people there.

[C]

So every city in New Jersey is small. North is small, bro. So if you wanted to hit boys in Newark, you know the other. And if you. If you a chick in the town, you know the. That's playing.

[A]

You got to remember that it speaks from, like, a privilege. I don't think Newark is small either.

[B]

No, it's the biggest city in New Jersey, guys. It's the populous city of New Jersey.

[C]

It's the most popular populate.

[D]

It said it ain't It's a small town. It's a small town.

[C]

Most people just cuz the most popular don't mean small place.

[A]

When we hear small town, we should never think Newark is all I'm saying.

[B]

Small town is like up Darby like, like, like one of them little towns. Like 10,000, like one of those, you know, we go.

[A]

But I'm talking more so about places like Newark. I don't agree with small town stuff, but that's where I'm like talking about.

[C]

Like yo dog, if you, if you.

[E]

300,000 people, it's 300,000 people.

[C]

If you in a certain town and you of a certain demo, then you know everybody in that demo. So you know the girls in that demo. Your man used to with such and such. Yo, she used to with this, that, this and so you. It's. It's an uncomfortable thing to date in your town. It's not, it's not uncommon. It's not really uncommon.

[A]

And you saying not if you was hoing, you saying just regular.

[C]

If you was hoeing, that just makes it even worse because your gonna be too. So you know that y' all means that your the ranch through. You know, bro, y' all trying to sit here and leave me on the island. If you, if you in new. If you in newark, you say 300,000 people. All right, now let's really dwindle that down to your dating pool. Y' all all playing the same clubs, y' all going to the same spots. After you mess with one or two people, bro, y' all all really mixing and mingling at that. At that point, 10 to 20. Even before that situation, you might not want to deal with that type of situation situation. When you go out, you might just want to have a good time and not be tied down. You might be seeing how the women or how the men moving in the situation. Every time somebody, you know, everybody you know, typically like to get into it or cause type of drama. You might not want to deal with that. Like you're saying you typically might want to date outside of town. To me, that's not crazy at all.

[D]

I mean this decided that in junior high school.

[B]

If a woman in my dating days told me she don't date dudes in Philly, I would think there's another story to it that I'm need.

[C]

I would ask why.

[B]

No, I think it's a story.

[D]

Y' all straight think whore.

[B]

Not necessarily.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

That's what I thought isn't necessarily where I go.

[C]

That's what I mean.

[B]

It could be that she go. It could also be that she got a dude in this town. I, I would think there's something shady going on. It could be that you everybody. But it could also just be that you got something going on and you don't want people to know. So you always trying to go out of town.

[D]

Like he going to say it could be that you everybody.

[B]

Oh no, I wouldn't point in your direction. I know you ain't nobody.

[C]

Like I. Oh, he said you ain't nobody come.

[B]

Mona's a longtime lover. She not. She don't be outside like that.

[C]

But I'm saying she a long time lover.

[D]

They don't believe nothing. I know you know what's going on.

[C]

Exactly my friend, in real life I missed y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

I swear to God I did.

[B]

But if a dude says that, I definitely think cuz he hit a lot. Yeah, or. Or he. Or he's married or he got some situation. And married people tend to date of town cuz it's hard to get so you don't get caught. Oh, that's what I hear. Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What side you say? You say he's right about that.

[C]

Mark is speaking from privilege because Mark travels the world. The average married man can't go out of town at their leisure to get some cat.

[D]

I knew I was a side cuz used to always take me on dates. We always went on dates in Cherry Hills.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Because it's big. Was from the Badlands.

[B]

Yeah. If you from the hood, Cherry Hill might as well be.

[C]

You want a to take you to the Badlands? You want to take it to the Badlands?

[D]

It's about that Philly. We talking about north Philly. So before we go downtown to a restaurant or what up the boulevard, them chain restaurants or whatever, I'm going to take you to Cherry Hill cuz I don't want nobody to see me in here with you. And then my Puerto Rico bay m from the badlands find out you can still hear me.

[C]

That ain't that far though.

[E]

It's far.

[B]

Far enough.

[C]

You got it bro.

[A]

I'm with you.

[C]

Ish. I ain't gonna get caught you doing that shit. I'm with you. I don't think there's nothing wrong with everybody got different dating boundaries. I feel like if one of your boundaries is I don't wanna date nobody from the town I'm from or where I live. I don't think that's preposterous. Unless you do live in a major ass city like Houston or something. I agree with You. I don't think there's nothing wrong with.

[A]

Saying that, but if you tell me that, I'm gonna think you've been slinging that pussy up and down Jackson Avenue for the last.

[C]

Well, as a man, y', all, you just want to start from a front on a. On a fresh slate as a man.

[A]

I think you a. If you say that. Except, yeah, because he'll me up as a man. I don't know if you could.

[E]

You shouldn't have boundaries like that as a man.

[A]

That's not for men.

[D]

Yeah, that's a thing. I think it's a girl thing. It's different with you because you talking about. I don't date girls from here. But that was on some like you in the league.

[A]

I ain't talking about you.

[D]

Was probably a little crazy like you said.

[C]

My sister and my mom and my aunt, I looked at all them one day and say, you know what? I don't know if the woman for me is here, cuz they all come from that club. I don't know.

[A]

That's how I felt in Jersey City. Especially when they said everybody had herpes out there. I was like, you know what? I'm going to go. I'm going to go. We ain't but eight miles long. How everybody get the herpes?

[D]

Easy.

[A]

Oh, my God. Did y' all hear about the real estate tycoon guy that is accused of offering an indecent proposal to a realtor mom while enjoying an affair?

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

What?

[E]

That was a lot.

[A]

That was crazy. Michael accused Poleg of destroying his marriage through the incessant attempts to poach Paige. Paige confirmed her divorce in a statement. My marriage ended for personal reasons, and the claims made in this lawsuit do not reflect the reality of those circumstances. I'm confident the legal process. We don't give a fuck about that. Michael claimed that he and Paige never even considered divorcing until Poleg begin to chase his wife. Poleg is the boss, I think.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, okay.

[A]

The complaint divulges a specific deal that Poleague allegedly offered Paige in January 25th. A glamorous $1.5 million home in Park City, Utah, and a promise to take care of her needs if she left Michael in the dust. Poleg left his wife around the same time Paige filed for divorce in February 25, says the lawsuit. I know. I'm certain that we have a lot of thoughts on this one. Yo.

[C]

You suing the dude? He ruined his marriage. He. He didn't ruin your marriage. He didn't Ruin a thing.

[A]

Well, according to him, him and his wife never had anything that could lead to a divorce until this offer was made from her boss.

[C]

Guess what? But your wife could have said. Said no to the offer. Hey, Joe, if you always ate cube steak and then magically somebody put a porterhouse in front of you, you might not want to eat cube steak no more.

[A]

Or I might want the cube steak. But that's for a steak conversation. I'm just.

[C]

No, no, I'm just giving you an example. Like, dog, he ain't take you from your girl, nigga, this other man might have showed your girl some other options in a world that you had.

[A]

Oh, stop it. It literally made all.

[C]

Stop this.

[A]

Please stop this. This.

[C]

Please stop.

[A]

Bro. If you.

[C]

If your wife worked at some type of bank or something, say she was a intern or something or a secretary at Ernst and Young. And then one of the big bosses came and said, I give you 3m to lead this. And she left, you would be. That. You got. I'm suing this. You tripping, y'.

[B]

All sue.

[C]

Y' all started with. Hold on. I got M's myself. So we ain't. That's different. But. It's a little different. But if I was in his situation. Situation. Yeah, I probably need some. I need some bread. You already took my. I need some bread from that. You tripping and you going to win. You destroyed the marriage.

[A]

It's legal.

[B]

You.

[D]

They moving the young.

[C]

It's like using the. Out of this Nil. They moved it all the way over. How you figure that? Yo, dog, we started with yo, dog. You were in a relationship.

[A]

She.

[C]

He said, yo, we didn't have any issues until X, right? And I said, yo, but that's because your wife was stuck over here and didn't know that this big magical world existed until she started working over there with homeboy.

[E]

Couldn't you get your wife for alimony or something in that situation?

[C]

No, because she. Not necessarily. She's not necessarily earning that money. She's just spending his money. So you gotta. You gotta get alimony based off of her salary, not based off of the money that she spends. So, y', all, let me ask you a question. With that being said, right? Your wife is drop dead gorgeous, beautiful, right? So now she goes in a room where the vultures are, right? She goes in a room where the sharks are. One of the sharks now back bags your wife. That dude ruins your relationship.

[A]

Ish. Another false parent. That is not what this example is.

[C]

Can y' all explain to me how the dude. How did the dude ruin the relationship, though? Because he financially.

[A]

Are y' all acting up too?

[C]

What are y' all doing right now? Not acting anything. Because hold up. We just have ability to disagree with y' all stance on the topic.

[A]

We didn't give a stance. We just saying what happened. And y' all acting like y' all don't get it. So. So I'll try this again. Your wife work at the bank of the street, like he said, and her boss made an offer. That's it. What are y' all trying to mumble?

[C]

Jumbo has the ability to say no.

[B]

I'll pass. I'm with Ish.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

What the is we talking about? Your wife has the ability to say, no, I don't want your $3 million. I don't want to you.

[A]

And in the event that she doesn't.

[B]

Say that, then he didn't ruin her relationship.

[A]

She's fired.

[C]

She's fired. And that's it.

[D]

Could be financial.

[E]

Some type of financial abuse.

[C]

Are we talking about if your employer.

[E]

Is saying, I'll pay you to leave your husband. Yeah, I'm gonna.

[B]

Oh, it's sexual harassment. It's a job issue.

[C]

And if she says yes, now what she chose.

[A]

We're back, Everybody again. Every back. We back. We back. Relax, relax, relax. Mark, you wanted to say something to Ish.

[B]

I agree with.

[A]

When you finish. I want to disagree. That couch as a whole. Go ahead.

[B]

Fair enough. I don't. There's a workplace issue. I think we can all agree.

[A]

Indeed.

[B]

Employers going to employees and saying, I want you to fuck me for money or whatever, do anything for money is a problem. But in terms of my relationship, I think the only thing that's confusing is cause it's money. What if she came to him and just had a bigger dick? What if he was just more handsome? What if he was just taller, Funnier. Funnier. Whatever. Right. Whatever. The thing is, is there's always a reason to entice somebody to go into another relationship. And if your partner says that's different from papering something. Indeed, I'm with you. But I'm saying the difference. I'm not. I'm saying the difference. For me, the money makes it a professional problem too. I'm saying at any given moment, I hold my partner responsible for the choice they make.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

Not the other person. That's all I'm saying.

[A]

So in. So. So you along with the newer couch are saying if ever in that scenario you're not so suing the guy.

[D]

No.

[A]

Okay. And that's what y' all are saying, too.

[C]

I don't even see how you cancel the guy. No, that's a real marriage. You have grounds.

[D]

Yeah, you do. And I know for a fact in North Carolina, because it went viral in North Carolina, there's some type of law where you can. You can sue the adulterer, the person that's cheating with your spouse. If as far as, like, in the. In the. The claim is to dissolve the marriage. Like, you coming to try to fuck my. My husband is the reason why we broke up. And I watched them go through court. I watched every. You know what I mean? Like, they really vlogged the whole thing. Cuz I was shocked. That's a real thing.

[C]

How many people do it?

[A]

Take the.

[D]

I'm just saying in North Carolina.

[C]

Am I missing something here?

[D]

I'm just saying, it's a law in North Carolina. In North Carolina, you can sue the. That that was your wife. You can and you can. And if you can prove especially y'.

[A]

All be too tough on that couch.

[D]

They are, but it's.

[A]

What we doing is y' all just be saying. Y' all just be saying or whatever on that.

[C]

Standing on principles.

[A]

What are you. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Mona's making a point, though. Let's let it finish.

[D]

Point. Ball it up. Throw it out.

[B]

Yo, what we.

[C]

What we.

[A]

Let Mona talk.

[C]

God damn it.

[A]

Please talk. Please let Mona talk.

[D]

I forgot. I was gonna say.

[C]

You said they take the thing. North Carolina. North Carolina. North Carolina, Right.

[D]

I. I get what you're saying. It does take two to tango. I totally get what y' all saying. It does take two. But in the state of North Carolina, for a bonafide fact, if you can especially prove that this person tried to talk to your mate, that's like the kickoff, the grounds for the suit. So with the. The case I watched, they were two couples that hung together, right? So they were double dating, all that. And they were able to prove that in some of the videos, she slide her ass on them. Just little texting them, flirting them. And that was enough to start when they really, like, they did the whole thing. Took the phones, got all this shit off the phones. Even shit they deleted, stripped it. And I think the amount of money was like a million or 2 million.

[A]

But you know why my problem with y' all is y' all get married to, like, a real basic point, right? Yes. It's your wife's job to choose. I agree with y'. All. There's no beef. If she chooses, it's on her and yada yada. Yada, cool. Got that. However, if somebody come and offer my chick a mansion and $10 million to do something and she in turn does it, well, yeah, I also have a problem with the guy.

[E]

Someone's getting sued.

[A]

I have a problem with the guy. Yes, she chose. But I have an issue with that question.

[C]

Let me ask you a question. There's a big piece that we leaving out. My man offered her X, Y and Z. The husband is saying he bribed her. The wife said, yo, me filing for divorce had nothing to do with that. So does she have a say in the matter? She publicly said, no, my husband is wrong. That's not why we got a divorce.

[A]

Well, now she has to prove that. That's why somebody has. That's why somebody has to go to court. Yes. So that's the exact reason that we have to go to court. Because now it looks like my wife is on the side of the poacher. So now I want to argue with both of y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

And of course she's going to say that she's leaving her marriage to go to a new relationship. She don't want to go to this new relationship and also cost him $5 million.

[A]

That's a fact.

[C]

On top of the promises and stuff that she still got to make sure that he followed through with. So.

[A]

And.

[C]

And for referral, of course she gonna stay on that and stand on that side because she really just securing her bag.

[D]

Mind you, she is so happy that this rescue her from a life of poverty. Go ahead, girl.

[A]

Yeah, I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't gonna hold you.

[C]

Yes, that's tough you got. But you gotta pick your chick. You gotta know what type time she.

[A]

Well, up here, I keep saying that most of the infidelity happens in the workplace. So. I mean, you saying know your chick, but yeah, that's why I don't know.

[C]

Which means, no, I ain't got to worry about.

[B]

Until you speaking.

[C]

Until you speaking, it might not have nothing to do with money. Yo, you spending all this time with this man. He might be way more charming than your dude. He might be way funnier than your dude. He might have a whole bunch of attributes that your dude don't have. And now they're magnified when I'm spending 8, 9, 10 hours with this fly nigga. I would love to finish speaking. We said we gonna let niggas speak.

[A]

Okay, but we didn't mean you.

[C]

I know. Unfortunately, we gonna go home now to this corny ass nigga. When I'm sitting In the office every day with this funny dope nigga. It's this only. I agree with you, too.

[A]

Well, then you wouldn't add the paper. Nothing.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

If your dick was that big and your money was that deep, and your swag was that high, and you had old girl just off the sauce, what the fuck did you pay for? I'm talking about her.

[C]

I said her. She is assessing the two niggas. Not the rich nigga. His girl is choosing up.

[A]

The problem is the papering of the shit.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

She didn't choose up if some shit is paper.

[C]

Yo.

[B]

So, Joe, would you feel different if it wasn't paper? If it was just a bigger dick?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That's a whole different situation.

[A]

That's a whole different thing.

[B]

I'm asking. I'm asking. Cause I'm trying to understand.

[A]

For your system, yes, that would be different.

[B]

What is it about? Why? What is it about? Money in particular?

[A]

All right, y' all acting stupid. I'm done with y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

I'm done with this talk. Don't argue with me.

[B]

Trying to understand your perspective.

[A]

Don't understand shit.

[D]

Ask one question.

[B]

Or, Isaiah, what's the difference for you with money, bro?

[C]

If somebody. If you saying that man gotta pay a package or you saying that, bro, funnier or charming. People lose their wives and their relationship every day like that. That's cool. You putting a dollar amount on her. Making a decision is a whole different situation.

[A]

If you make this decision, decision, this is what you get. And right after that, that happens. Sorry, this is her boss. I don't think your dick is that big.

[C]

Like you said, if it was a job.

[B]

I think it's a legal issue.

[A]

If it was.

[C]

If it was, he would have never had to add the house. He would never have to add the guarantee built in. Obviously. First of all, if you know, you taking somebody girl or something like that, and you got more paper, that's already a part of the sauce. You already telling her, damn, this got you in here working her now you work overtime again.

[A]

And the funny. And the funny, that's already the steel. The funny. I don't know if I said it. Well, I might have said it, but the boss is already married.

[C]

Oh, well, that's guaranteed.

[A]

The boss is already married. That's guaranteed. Oh, wait, I did read it. Because he left and they left and. Yeah, yeah, dog. Can I ask y' all a question?

[D]

Especially y' all two now, shoot, on the other foot, you in a relationship? Y' all happy or whatever? Your female boss comes and offers you all that motherfucking money and all the other shit, y' all taking it.

[B]

Have we had spirited conversations for a few weeks?

[A]

$10 million, loco.

[B]

I might make a different. No. Am I taking the money?

[C]

We probably try to run a play. I ain't going to hold you.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, come on, bro. Like, I like that.

[C]

Yeah, I like that.

[E]

Cool.

[C]

I'm going to do this. And then we listen. Short is what it is.

[D]

That's a great answer.

[A]

Niggas be wanting chicks to have all the discipline in the world while temptation. But you want her to work at the spot where her boss is saying, yo, actually, if he was all that, then he wouldn't have put the leave, leave him stipulation on it. Yo, if you keep with me, you get a house and I'll pay your rent, and I'll do. It's the papering of leave your husband.

[C]

And then you're doing that. Treat women like materials, bro. Material possessions. I want to own you. So, yeah, I want you over here. So leave him. So you're mine. It ain't even about the money. It ain't about none of that.

[D]

I want to own out.

[C]

You're a piece of property to me, so I'm getting rid of that one. I want you. It's. It's a. It's. It's them out there looking.

[A]

Did you see? I. I feel what you're saying. Did you see Indecent Proposal?

[C]

I did.

[A]

Was Woody Harrelson, like, in a great.

[C]

Mood after that, Joe?

[A]

Like, was Woody Harrelson feeling great?

[C]

Yeah. First of all, that ain't going to work out, cuz.

[A]

Are we talking about Woody Haron wanted to kill Robert Redford.

[C]

That gonna be okay with it? You act like you don't understand. You act like is over here saying, yo, we'll be fine with it. No, Are definitely gonna be upset. I'm just not understanding how you get to suing this over it. The funny humble moving forward. Right?

[A]

Move us forward with Mark Gle. I'm done with you. And the newer couch.

[C]

New couch is done with you.

[B]

We done with you. You know, he's out in the conversation.

[C]

That we talking it.

[A]

You lose your nice middle name is Sue.

[C]

That's how I know.

[A]

He just up here.

[C]

We not talking to you.

[B]

If you did sue, how much would that. How much would the loss of your.

[C]

Lady be worth, bro? What? First of all, a lot. But all I'm saying, I want a number. Hold up, but this is what I'm saying. Hold Up. Think about the other side, though. You just paid Shorty four M's. He didn't. I'm reading. I'm reading the real details. But Shorty, we just discounting the woman. She said, dog, I was done with this nigga before any of that stuff ever happened. He says that they never, never brought up divorce. Anything else like that.

[A]

What else you gonna say? I'm a bro.

[C]

Or he might not have known.

[A]

All right, listen, think what you want on the matter. I love these guys no matter how much I disagree with them. Like, so that's why they keep disagreeing with me, because the love is boundless.

[C]

What's your excuse?

[A]

Huh?

[C]

Huh?

[A]

Excuse What? Disagreeing with why I keep loving y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

No, why you keep disagreeing?

[A]

Why I keep boneheads, that's why. Don't. I'm not agreeing with none of y'. All. Say anyway. Time for a monologue. Time for a monologue. Yes. I stole that from the community. Fuck y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

What you gonna do about it? So time for a monologue. A monologue is where Mona isos for however long she wants about whatever she wants uninterrupted.

[C]

That's right. We all gotta push our mics back.

[A]

Yeah, everybody push your mic back.

[C]

Push your mic back.

[A]

It's a monologue. It's a monologue.

[D]

First of all, that's not true. People at home, because y', all, y'.

[A]

All, this is a long winded he. For y'. All, it's a long winded.

[D]

I am very long winded. But no, I just thought this was interesting. And I feel like on all my years of Internet, I never heard nobody take this take. And he is absolutely right. I'm somebody that talk a lot about, like, in our culture, black people, like, we. We put people on pedestals by their title. So your grandma is automatically the matriarch. Your brother's your brother, regardless. If you're a brother, your girlfriends and your grandma smoke crack, right? So I'm somebody that told people a thousand billion times that you should judge your relationships off how they treat you versus what the masses say. How you supposed to treat people? Because you already know. I don't with my grandma at all. What? Anyway, listen, though, and tell me. I want to know what y' all think. And I'm gonna tell y' all what I think, too. But listen, I don't know this nigga's name, but I like him. Why is it no sound? Perks. You know why it's no sound? Because I already had it queued up the way I wanted to do it. And Mr. Button said, all you have to do is say that like I was slow. I'd rather do it like this.

[A]

I'm at work right now busting my ass so I can get this to my kids. You feel like you ain't got to do nothing for your kid? You feel like your kids should earn it? I was that kid. My mama didn't do. She said. Said she was going to do for me because she said I had to earn it. My mama told me, go to school and get good grades and I'll buy you a new pair of shoes. When I go to school, they talk about me and talk about my clothes and talk about me. So I punch them in their mouth. And then now I'm. I'm up. I get suspended for school. I can't get good grades. So get where My mama don't buy me. It's a repeating cycle. Mama, you never wanted me to have it. You know, I can't go do good right now with these talking to my ears. What I did with my son was, if I told you I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it.

[C]

That's a fact.

[A]

So what I needed you to do is I told my son, I' ma keep my part. I bought my son new cars. I bought my son a $70,000 Jeep, and he didn't deserve it. Gave my son, I'm gonna keep my part. I put his Jeep inside my garage and said, now you gotta earn it. My son went to school and did damn thing he supposed to do because he's.

[D]

But the Jeep actually exists. And I feel like I've seen that before. And it's crazy. Just as a parent, like, I'm almost, like, mad at myself. I ain't ran that play yet. Like, that was lit, but it's trifling when you think about it. You know what I mean?

[A]

Thoughts.

[D]

I don't like the little smirk you making.

[A]

Ish.

[D]

You first.

[C]

I ain't first. Why? I want to hear what the room got.

[B]

So I wonder what you think.

[D]

Oh, you mother. I don't need no help. What I think is. I think for the most part. No, y' all not gonna do that. Y' all not gonna do that.

[B]

What?

[D]

Y' all not gonna.

[C]

Oh, monologue.

[D]

And I'm the only one to say. I say something, I want everybody to chime in.

[B]

Yeah. I want to respond to what you think.

[D]

I just told you what I thought.

[B]

You heard me then I didn't understand. I apologize. I misunderstood what I said.

[D]

Was is that I really feel like as a parent myself, because I think rule number one, the parenting is lying. Lying to them children. I'm almost disappointed in myself that I haven't ran that play on some of my kids that are a little bad. You know what I mean?

[B]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[D]

If you act up at school, you won't get dinner. Look how much I could have saved the. At the end of the day, it's all a scam. That's what he's saying. Where parents is holding this over your head because they really can't afford it. They don't want to do it or they want to weigh out of it. They know you a up. So they say, oh, you can't get it if you don't do when you wasn't doing last year.

[B]

I agree with you. I agree with you. I think that's bad. I think it's a bad way to parent. I think you should be giving your kids, what do you call it? Not roadblocks, milestones, like incentives along the way so that you can actually put them in a position to be successful. Saying if you don't like my son gets on my nerves sometimes with the whining.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But if I say, if you don't whine for 48 hours, I'll buy you a truck. I know we can't do that shit. I win every time. And sometimes I do do that on some shit I really don't want to do. If you can stay quiet for an hour. But he's three. He can't stay quiet for an hour. I'm setting him up to not be successful. I think when it comes to important shit, we can't do that. I think that's a bad way to parent because they also have a sense of failure all the time.

[D]

Yeah, that's the thing that stuck out to me. I remember what it felt like. Cause I had trouble in school the whole way. I remember what it felt like to go to school and try to do better. And I had no fucking clue I to do it. And it would just irritate me. People be giving me speeches you. And I did not know how to sit down and pay attention and do my work. I didn't know how. All I knew how to do was up. That's what I always did in school. So it's like, I just think it's. And it's like that lazy parenting. It's like that black culture, like, do as I say, not as I do. You know what I mean? That Vibe, cuz that's how some of us grew up where it's like your parents did whatever told you some watching.

[C]

You do all of this, but then you telling you don't do it, homeboy. He said he follows through though. He said that the promises that he makes, he. He fulfills them. So if you do X, Y and Z and I have a record of fulfilling that promise, then am I really setting you up to fail? If you, if you say, yo, you bring me home three A's, I'm gonna get you a PlayStation, right? You bring home three A's, I go get you a PlayStation, right? If you bring me home do XYZ, I'm gonna get you the limited edition Jordans and I fuck and I fulfill my promise. You kind of gotta give people incentives.

[B]

To get accomplished if it's attainable. You can't bring home three eggs.

[C]

Let me, let me say this, let me say this. I don't necessarily agree with you know what I'm saying? And I was a badass kid in school, but I don't necessarily agree with just rewarding behavior. Regardless, I agree with him. I don't think you should just get things just because you get things. Cause that's not life. That's not teaching you a real. A real life lesson. I think a part of that and I ain't. You feel me? I don't know, main man, but a part of that, you got to take responsibility for yourself. Just cause people talking to you greasy. And I get it, I've been there and I'm from there. But that don't mean you gotta go upside their head all the time. A part of you growing and being a better student was you learning how to ignore that and just focus on your grades. So you got to take some responsibility that. Hey. But I do agree with Mark's saying is you do need to set incentives for your kids. Whether that's rich, that's the three A's. We all know our kids like you, you know, your, your nephews and all that. I got fam. They ain't getting three A's. You get what I'm saying? So you gotta adjust that. You feel me? All right, go and get this. Go ahead, get this beat. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Go ahead, get this beat for little man.

[C]

It might be. Get this beef a little shorty. She's sharp. So no, I need two A's from you.

[B]

Him.

[C]

I just need this B. You get this B. Come on, we going to the part. We going. So then you got to adjust it as it come along. I do think, you know, it's probably some deeper stuff with his mom not following up, not having his back with certain things. That's probably where all that come through. But at the same time I'm not with just rewarding kids just. Cause I tell myself all the time I'm rich, you ain't got nothing, you trippin, you gotta earn it.

[D]

But when I hear that, that's not what I hear. The first thing I hear is the fact that like, like you're peeping at your mom is. She's full of shit. It's like my sneaks are fucked up. Everybody know how cruel kids is and you really expect me to going here Especially when my problem already was that I would fight a. So why wouldn't you send him to school with at least the. The straight up equipment? Cuz even when they got to the comments, he went to the comments. Oh, I didn't know school was a fashion show. Did you attend it? Because that's the thing. If you win, you know how mean.

[A]

The is how important it is to dress.

[D]

I know that even go to school with uniforms. That's. They didn't feel it. They made everybody wear uniform.

[A]

Now it's all about like, it's like on.

[D]

You live in an urban area, you know them kids wearing designer and all that. I'm not saying like you have to keep up but like be realistic if you want this nigga to really be able to survive this shit. I don't want my kid in school hiding his fucking feet. Cause it's like, nah, I'm not teaching you a lesson like that, bro. If I wear it, you wear it. That's just what I'm on. Like I've always been on that with mine. Like we ain't doing that.

[B]

The only thing I would say in defense of that mom is potentially cause I don't know her or they situation in closing is I don't know her situation. Sometime when you don't have like sometimes the parent can't afford some shit and they make it seem like it's a choice. Sometimes when you don't have something, you make it look like it's a choice. Like you know I didn't get you sneaks because you, because you. Because you bad as. As opposed to I ain't get you because I don't have it because I, I'm on drugs because I'm on all this other. I'm just. Without knowing that situation, I don't want to over judge that parent but in general, I think just as parents, we should, we should follow through on our word. That's all.

[C]

I just want we can wrap it up. No, I'm in closing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think that, I think that we, we are a lot of times parents might not have that money like we, we. A lot of us come from single parent households. So if you are going to school and everybody knows they kid and I know you could do better, but you're not doing better. So we don't gotta say three A's. We could say bring me home three B's and you just not applying yourself and you not being assertive dog. It might that single mother might have struggled and picked up extra shifts for them sneakers. So I'm not gonna buy you extra, extra sneakers when you not giving it your all in school just so you don't get picked on. My you this a marriage right here. You gotta help me. I' ma help you. And I think that that entitlement comes from you doing whatever the you want to do and you still getting the fly. I think it's a fine line between how we, how we handle that situation. Yeah. I just want to say in closing.

[A]

Boy, oh boy, man. No, listen, nothing I love more than a monologue makes a. Hey, it's a monologue. It's a monologue. Even in the monologue. Long winded. But that was great. That was great. Great topic. Great. Great. That was a good one.

[C]

Seriously, that's good.

[A]

They say that the toughest number of kids to have, no matter if you have more than this number or less than this number is. Anybody want to guess?

[C]

3. 2. 3.

[D]

I'm so curious. 1. 1.

[A]

2. But 3.

[E]

I can see why it would be 2.

[C]

I say 4.

[E]

Say 1 in the context of this conversation.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You going to play it?

[A]

I'm going play it. I'll play it. I'll play it.

[B]

What is the hardest number of kids for a family to have?

[A]

Want to hear a not so fun fact? Been a recent survey done. It's found that moms of three kids experience the highest amount of stress compared.

[D]

With those with fewer or more children.

[A]

Three is the why is really interesting. Yay me.

[C]

Because that's where we've come.

[B]

All right. Why is having three kids the hardest?

[E]

Well, one, because with three kids you.

[B]

Often have not experienced the help yet.

[A]

That a well trained older kid can.

[B]

Give to a larger family. And two, it's quite a bit harder.

[A]

To create a team culture in a family of three versus four, five or more.

[B]

So this reminds me of that famous saying, you find yourself in hell, don't stop, keep going. In other words.

[A]

Look, three kids is a huge blessing, a family.

[B]

But if you think you can stretch it to 4, 5, or 6, it's usually well worth it to keep going.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

I knew I should keep.

[A]

I totally under. I totally understand that. It just seemed like the wrong thing to tell somebody in this economy.

[D]

Yeah, but it's. Listen.

[C]

Yes. How you figure that, though?

[A]

Because kids ain't cheap, expensive.

[D]

On top of the fact the world's collapsing. So it's like. Like, why bring him into this evil ass place anyway?

[A]

Yeah. That's facts.

[C]

I do agree, though. It's just. It's just from a. From a dynamic, From a family dynamic standpoint, though. Like, once you have. When you got one kid is all right, both of y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

Somebody got the kids. Somebody don't. You got two. It's man to man. Then they always say you get three. That zone, they outnumber you. Once you get the three, you honestly might as well just keep going. If you could financially afford it, if you got the space and the money to do it, you might as well keep going. That's how I see it. I've always thought that was way even with my teammates. Like, once you have three, y', all, they already outnumber you. You might as well have as many as y' all really want at that point. But to me, two is that line. Once you go over two is. You know what I'm saying Is what it is.

[A]

My two scared me out of a third.

[B]

My third scared me out of.

[A]

And if I have a third, it won't be. It won't be a fourth.

[D]

My mother one scare her out of the second.

[C]

Yeah, I got snipped six months after one.

[B]

Yo, that's crazy.

[D]

Old. It's not crazy, but I'm with a girl, too.

[A]

That's the crazy part.

[D]

What no boy is I got bonus.

[C]

Boys now, so I'm just such a.

[D]

Had to have me smoke bonus boys. My son's just hanging out at the ATM.

[A]

Off. Off of sports. Because I know. Well, I'll speak for myself. I don't really pay attention to all that. College hoops. However, tonight is the exception. The 31st. BYU vs. Kansas, AJ vs. Darren Peterson. If you're familiar with these names, this is one of those ones. This is like who used to be Glenn Robinson versus. Yeah, like, this is one of those. The projected number one and number two pick Peterson is no joke. Joke out there. He looks. He just looks like a pro there's no other way to explain it. He looks like a pro playing amongst children. And AJ is aj. So if you're into that, tonight is going to be a really big matchup. Shout out to both of those organizations, those programs. What else? What else? What else do we need? What else do we need? Silver is back down again. Silver is down. What? What did they go down? 15%. So, yeah, that's what you saw.

[C]

That's what. Yeah, so, yeah, that's when you go by.

[A]

By the dip. What these things be saying? Buy the dip. I'm buying the dip. They ain't gonna fool me. You need silver for the cars, you need silver for the phones. You need silver for all of this shit. And as long as the country looks like there will be instability, Silver will continue to climb. And I don't know about y', all, but this looks like, like, one of the most unstable countries I've ever seen. And we got three more years of it. Why would I not buy the dip? There you go.

[C]

Stop trying to run from it, though, huh? Stop trying to run from it.

[A]

Run from what? You. You.

[C]

You mentioned some that we wrote on the board that we was ready to jump you over, especially being from Jersey.

[A]

I'm listening. Oh, yeah. Nah, I missed it. I missed it.

[C]

Your Sexy Red question.

[D]

Question.

[A]

Oh, why would I be trying to run from that? I think that's a very valid question. I got a few hip hop questions that I wrote down. That's a very valid question. Sure.

[C]

Well, go ahead and present your question to the. To the panel.

[D]

Wipe the short ribs.

[C]

Y' all gotta finish popping before they start cooking.

[A]

No, they just always be late with the food. They already started cooking. They started, right? What time the food gonna be done?

[C]

30 minutes.

[A]

That mean an hour? 95. Yeah, that mean. Yeah, definitely was gonna be done soon.

[D]

No, he told me 3:30 hours ago.

[A]

You guys, we're doing one of the best shows in the world. Y' all talking about eating hungry. Eat breakfast, get something to eat before you come to work. Jesus. Anyway, my question was, do y' all think Sexy Reds run can now be looked at as similar to Fetty Wap's run? No.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

And I think when they hear that question, they just go to the size. The size, size of the hits and how many hits that matters. Yeah, but Sexy Red had a bunch of. A bunch of his. Not none on the level of Fetty Wap. But all I'm saying is Sexy Red had one year of four and five big, big records that performed well. And it doesn't and just disappear. That's more so what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Sexy Red Records versus Fetty.

[C]

Oh, okay. Use the way you worded it.

[A]

I'm just talking about their run in terms of dropping a lot of singles that have a lot of success and then kind of disappearing.

[C]

Y' all know what happened.

[A]

Kanye album is coming. I only bring it up because he is Gamma. Sexy Red is Gamma. So it looks like Gamma's gonna be on a Kanye run. I expect them to ignore the out of Sexy Red. And quite frankly, I just don't see Sexy Red having another year like that where she smacks maxed him out the park. I don't see it.

[D]

Fetty went to jail, though, right? Is that why he disappeared?

[A]

So that's all I'm saying. Do y' all think that Sexy Red will be able to repeat that same success that she had in that year?

[E]

I think it's tricky.

[B]

I think it's possible.

[C]

I think.

[B]

I think it's possible.

[E]

I think it's tricky because I think that her ascension partially is due to the. The culture that I was talking about earlier, where you get a bunch of people to do the work that one artist did at one point in time, the labels, and I think there's been a lot of people in that kind of lane. And I think Fetty was unique and by himself, and he also had three or four top 10 Billboard records.

[C]

Betty did all that before the label.

[A]

He did that.

[E]

It was a little different.

[C]

They had all that done. But when the label stepped in, the music. Yes, the music, like seven songs to the label, eight songs. He had that album. He made that album in the crib.

[A]

All right, so nobody here thinks that Sexy Red is about to come back with.

[C]

No. I think I would put my money.

[B]

On it, but I don't think it's out.

[C]

Her style, I think, is not interesting to hip hop anymore.

[A]

Great segue. To my next question. Do you think that same thing is true for Young TH?

[D]

No. Are y' all crazy?

[E]

Prove a commodity right there.

[C]

He's art. I don't want to try y' all artists, but he's an artist like, you feel me? He got way, way more different lanes. He changed flows. He changed sounds. He's been ahead of the head of the wave so many times, it's hard to think that he won't at least be able to catch up and set another trend at some point. Even in a.

[A]

In a different mode, you don't feel like post jail with what we all Think about Thug and what y' all are saying about him. That there should have been something to make some.

[C]

Well, that's because he got caught up in a bunch of other different circumstances, you know what I mean? I think with Thug, it's kind of you get caught up in like today's hip hop now. It's like social media and public perception plays such a huge role on how people, you know, carry and receive your music. Like, it's so hard for, like, you know, people to be thinking and feeling a certain way about you and the music not to be around. And I also think a major part of that is Atlanta linking back up. So if Atlanta, he the head of that. So Atlanta was linking back up, but that's going to happen. And one other part real quick. The music ain't been good.

[E]

Wait, who for real Thug now, he had a couple joints.

[C]

No Thug for. For Thug.

[D]

Yeah, because that's the thing.

[C]

He ain't been putting out what we know Thug to put out.

[D]

You assume as soon somebody sits in jail and they work on their craft and they come out and they kill Gun that went through that situation, came home and it up over and over and over. So I feel like the Thug fans, it's been a little bit of a letter, but I look at it like he just got to get back comfortable. I feel like what he went through was traumatic. You could see it on his face even when he did that interview. That's the most. The most that I've ever seen of his personality. When he talked to the guy, the darken guy from bank, like, he really went through some. You know what I mean? So I feel like once he get cuddled back in the right zone, I had faith that he'll make great music, but the music hasn't been great. And I would have liked to see him going to run like Gunna did. Because Gunna really literally it up. It wasn't trash, but it wasn't Thug good.

[C]

To your point about perception and everything, when Gunna came home, his perception was in the toilet. Different was not. They went. They couldn't wait for that outfit, for his to be trash. But the music was so good on that project that you couldn't escape it. But I would argue, like, okay, Thug, I wouldn't say his best. He got a lot of great albums, in my personal opinion. But with his last really great one was so much fun. That was literally just him getting a bunch of his homies to come to the studio. They doing a bunch of fly popping. He literally, I think I just seen, like, maybe a month ago, literally just got his jewelry back, just got his cars back, like, just got some of his cash back. They literally took so much from him, like, to, like, to Mona point. That was traumatic. Like, you feel me? So, like, yeah, he. It's hard for him.

[A]

Probably don't even feel like making slaps. Right.

[D]

They got all them calls, the personal phone calls where I. And I'm talking about as a man, the worst call you would ever want somebody to hear. Everybody heard all 10 of them. You know what I mean? He gossiping, he pillow talking. And y' all caught that. And if you never been to jail, you don't understand how gossip be a get on that jail phone. He's bored. It's nothing to do, like, you know what I mean? So it's just to be looked at. Like, he was looked at. That's a lot. So I don't know.

[A]

I hear y' all whole lot of pleas and a whole lot of cases.

[D]

Whatever.

[A]

Hold on, please. And a whole lot of.

[C]

Give me another.

[A]

I've been saying for a while, I think that. Well, it's not for the public to understand, but I think that people underestimate the role that Thug's label and backing had to do with what was going on. I don't know if Thug is able to do what Gunna did, which is come out, be alone, and hit every pitch over the fence. Like, I think Doug is going to catch one because he's great and artistic and he's got all the friends. He's going to be all the features. At some point, you're going to get the hottest producer with the hottest beat and you going to do it. But do I feel like that should have happened between the time that he got out of jail and now? Yes, absolutely. Do I think that there's a reason that that has not happened? Yes. And I don't just think it's. Oh, man, he proposed. Oh, he caught up. Nah, that ain't slapping. Ain't slapping. Like.

[C]

Course, baby.

[A]

I know you love that.

[C]

That's it. I love him, too.

[D]

Do you think he could get back there or. No? You don't think he can?

[A]

Yeah. In combination with the label. Yeah, it's a. It's a elixir. It's. Yeah, the pieces gotta go. Go together.

[C]

You know, what you missing because he's. He's on probation now. Can't do drugs. Yep.

[D]

Damn. That'll do it.

[A]

There's also.

[D]

That'll do it.

[A]

Y' all up.

[E]

But there's also Shelf life on artists in terms of. Of like peak financial number, success.

[C]

And that's okay, but it's still which from the front up. Front up. You're right. But from the artistic standpoint of me still being able to put out good music that my fans enjoy, is there a shelf life on that? No, because you the metrics and all that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

But you just putting out projects. From an artistic standpoint, I think that if you took Sent Joe in the house for six months and he wanted to be. Be a rapper again, I think he'll start to. His pen will come back.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

You get what I'm saying? So Thug sat down for a long time.

[A]

What did you say? Don't talk about my pen in your stories no more.

[C]

You can get your back. You can come back. I gave you a compliment.

[A]

That wasn't a compliment.

[C]

I don't like your training wheels on for a minute.

[A]

Yeah, that's what he. Take my pen out your story six months, tell your story without my pen pin back.

[C]

Right. But yeah, artistically and creatively, I don't know if you ever hit a. A ceiling, dude.

[E]

That's true. No, I don't think so. I don't think so at all, man.

[C]

My A Pete Parks, you got the fly.

[A]

They fly. Petty, stop playing with Parks, man.

[C]

My man got the dipped in butter.

[D]

That's what I bit my tongue.

[A]

This is Young Thug. That came out yesterday. The Edmund record. If you got time to do an EDM record, you got time to give us a slap. Young Thug Fred again, this record is called usb. I mean, no, I'm lying. This record is called Scared. Scared, Scared. Don't you ever show you scared, baby. How could Young TH not have a slap?

[C]

Key ingredient might be missing.

[A]

You know he going to come on kill.

[C]

All his homies. They all can get back together. They all about to link up. We see it happening in front of our eyes. They all about to link back up, bro. They all need each other.

[A]

And then when they all link back.

[C]

Up, that's how Atlanta stays strong for so long because they always was each other crutches. Them niggas all need each other. I'm glad they linking back up. Right. So once they get back together, you, you, no matter how much hate y' all want to throw on it, when they get back together, it's going to be what it is. And you going to throw Drake in a little bit of that. Of course he going to be a part of it.

[A]

Yeah. Cause can't none of them niggas be mad to Drake for too long and go stand on their own.

[C]

I'm not seeing. Here you go.

[A]

What fact is fact. Young thug ain't gonna come out and ever say nothing against Drake. And we know what it is. We know what it is.

[C]

Ain't nothing wrong with stating a fact.

[A]

Any who's.

[E]

Any who.

[A]

Any who. That little EDM was all right. Just that shit done bad. That wasn't. I didn't play it for it to be good.

[C]

I'mma keep it a ball. I tried to hate. I was ready.

[A]

I tried it. I was about to kill it.

[E]

Dog album last year was not bad. It was not. It was not great, but it was not bad.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

It wasn't better than his album that he put out when he was in jail.

[E]

It was about.

[B]

That was all his best slaps.

[A]

Just in the tucky. That jail album was heat. Joints on that jail.

[D]

I think they're both the same.

[E]

They're apart with each other.

[C]

And it was. It was really the ninja song that threw everybody off. He just. The first. Pretty much calling us all the N word for a minute and a half. That made me uncomfortable.

[E]

The first three songs were horrible. But then once you got past that, I was like, oh, there's some in here.

[A]

All right, man. Shout out to the whole Atlanta. The Isley Brothers. The Isley Brothers got this star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Let me hit the round of applause for that. That's really important. Legends. Legends. Legends, man. Legends in the game, man. Congrats. Congratulations. Honestly. Long overdue. Well deserved, man. Shout out to the Isley Brothers. Congrats. One of the greatest of all time. I don't have any more music questions for you guys. I think I'm all done with my music stuff. Let me just check here. Young Thug Silver. This Kevin Gates topic we can hit later. I don't want to make any of y' all sad and depressed.

[E]

Yeah, let's be sad because that is after the ribs.

[C]

It's heavy.

[E]

After the ribs. We get sad than.

[A]

Yo, if you're going outside this weekend, bundle up. It is going to be a degree. No, no, zero degrees. Actually.

[E]

I ain't going outside no degrees.

[A]

Not a degree in sight. Please. Bundle up. Mark, buy a coat. Pull the long johns out, the leg warmers. Whatever you got to do to stay warm, man. Please, please shout out to anybody that's homeless under these conditions. Conditions. Joe Button, kids. If Tracy Morgan don't. It is too cold to be homeless right this very second. So my heart goes out to them. Homeless people. Have Been dying and they found seven people dead in New York City during the blizzard. Yeah, my heart, my heart goes out to everybody. Please find somewhere warm to be this weekend. Shout out to the space heater gang. Hey, my heat got fixed and I still got the space heat on. That's how cold it is. I'm not playing. They talking about not mad at you. Hey, come on, man. And we end the way we started. Man, I got Fab by a hair, Z, who you got, Fab or Banks? All time I'm going fab, no question.

[B]

What y' all want, huh?

[A]

I got though I let a price.

[B]

Lane in your brain I slide nice.

[C]

Days in the rain and my princesses.

[A]

Look like I got a ice train Ain't a nice way to explain I.

[B]

Slice cans of the cane.

[A]

And the kid ain't got.

[E]

Occasional.

[A]

Old buyers look like they can cover the whole tire. Must be cuz the flow's fire. And then getting passed off through New York like show flight.

[B]

Major league player, who better?

[A]

That's why I gotta go fab a little bit above Banks, too, because he started first.

[E]

Yeah, true.

[A]

This is the 90s or somewhere with this. This is 99, 2000, probably somewhere.

[B]

I float on Monday night, Tuesday I was signed.

[A]

How realistic that. All right, man. Shout out to DJ Clue, Desert Storm, the whole Queens, J. Cole. Shout out to Brooklyn, the whole New York City. Shout out to the guys. Man, what's everybody doing this weekend? What's everybody doing this weekend? What up, what up, what up, what up, what up?

[E]

Inside. And I'm breaking my drawing wear it's over. All that people talking like, yo. I've never felt so clear, so good I feel the same. I feel exactly the same. I'm proud of my willpower, but that.

[C]

It'D be dope on the willpower tip. I could do that.

[A]

Give me a drink.

[C]

I'm celebrating, you know, like I said, my baby birthday. We got a birthday party tomorrow.

[A]

Happy birthday, Ari. Happy birthday. That's right, that's right. It's what you want. You chilling, you chilling. You working. You indoors. Yeah, but you got the velvet. That's that ish. Man, stop playing. You got the scully to keep you warm. You got the scully to keep your ears warm. Mark, what's up? You teaching? You traveling? You get a speech?

[B]

I'm sitting still. I'm being Newark all weekend. Working, doing some stuff for the community.

[A]

Got it, got it, got it. Demona. Damona. You got a show?

[D]

I got a couple podcasts to do, so I'm halfway standing, halfway going. On. Sorry.

[A]

All right, Good, good, good. I'm keeping it light. I will be in the house. I will be watching tv. I will be snuggled up. I might even make some hot chocolate. If it get cold enough, I'll put them little marshmallows in that mother. Stop playing with me. Stop playing with me. I like rap routine. Had to stop, met a new connect. Got it 18. That's how it is when you deal.

[C]

With me now feel TV only real.

[A]

Tv, real, real mtv.

[C]

I show you the real world. He got the right size, wanna bake a cake? I got the right pies crashed up a foe now the right five looking.

[A]

For beef, you found the right old.

[C]

Folks say damn stop the route why.

[A]

You gotta get the guns?

[C]

Just box it out. Listen, the only one fighting is the doctor.

[A]

That's for your life.

[C]

As for your wife, took her out.

[A]

Just to.

[C]

Call on photo stand.

[A]

That's when I. I'm gonna just talk for a minute because I'm not cutting this off. I'm not cutting this off. I'm letting this go, man. I'm letting this go, man. Anyway, I hope y' all enjoyed the part. Oh, I do. The outro. Yo, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time I bid you ado farewell, adios, arriva, dir la vista, arvois so long goodbye with simple head novel suffice. Remember life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you may need it if you traveling. Be careful out there. Shout out to anybody going to super bowl next week. Shout out to everybody in LA for the Grammys. Be safe, be safe. Yo, it ain't much to talk about you where you from, you better wear your gun. Yeah, that's how we was handling them Philly man telling you.

[B]

About the kiss. The new dope out Sky Blue CL6.

[A]

The new poke out.

[B]

Tired of the speculation. Everything is real here.

[A]

Shout out to lloyd banks. Two banks. You know what I bank.

[B]

Away from your brain and them great kitten fences. I sway through the lanes.

[A]

What you think about all the rappers diamonds and getting on for the NFL? I'm looking at you right now. I see what's going on. Yo, why do the be playing with the chains on and like they don't be worried about getting snatched off it's politics.

[C]

It ain't gonna do that. Ain't nobody trying to really do that like that out there. No, no.

[B]

No more.

[E]

What about accident? Like on a horse collar tip or something?

[C]

I mean, I don't know. Everybody friends now? Y' all forgot that was a keep to leave back.

[E]

It was.

[C]

I know, but then you don't really want like. Do you really want to be the guy that snatch Justin. Justin Chain. Like, you won't be known for being nice. Not for being that man. Them had smoke. Every time I saw Michael Crabtree, it was like, no KE is him.

[B]

So I can hardly care. Cause the only way I see time behind bars. If it's a car.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You've never heard of Joe Buddy.