Episode 903 | "That's Witty"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 903 | "That's Witty"

Date: February 14, 2026
Host: Joe Budden
Guests/Co-hosts: Demona, Mark Lamont Hill, Ish, Ice, Parks, Poe, Corey, Erickson, Tanner, Savon

---

Episode Overview

This episode lands on Valentine's Day with an extra celebratory vibe thanks to Demona's birthday. The crew goes from witty banter and playful roasts to heartfelt discussions on relationships, culture, and their lives. They tackle new music, address notable celebrity passings, deep-dive into current events such as the Epstein hearings and the Geechi Gotti arrest, and close with meaningful reflections on love and legacy.

The tone oscillates between comedic, irreverent, introspective, and at times poignantly serious, offering listeners a healthy dose of both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter on Wit and Friend Dynamics

[00:34-02:40]

• Joe debates with the crew about who amongst them is truly "witty", often ribbing Ish for being low-key sharp but acting shy.
• "You gotta be witty. It's one of those things—how you funk so many bitches without wit? Cause you did." — Joe [01:05]
• This launches the episode’s playful energy, with jokes about ashy hands and Super Bowl parties.

---

2. Valentine's Day & Relationship Traditions

[03:32-21:17]

• Most of the cast shares their plans for Valentine’s Day, which range from a night at the Jill Scott concert at the Blue Note, nice dinners, to doing nothing special.
  • "Jill Scott at the Blue Note—say less." — Joe [16:44]
  • Ish admits he doesn't really celebrate Valentine’s Day, which sparks a discussion on the value (or lack thereof) of Hallmark holidays.
• Galentine’s and “Fellas Times” get roasted as “very sassy,” with consensus that it’s “weird” for men to copy the Galentine’s trend. [15:55]
• The crew jokes about restaurant reservations and being foodies, reminiscing about their old “Black Cards” and the perks they no longer get.

---

3. Kids, School Breaks, and Parenting

[13:31-19:54, 81:02-87:00]

• Conversation veers into school holiday schedules (“mid winter break”; "President’s Day and Lunar New Year on Tuesday").
• Discussion on how strict they are (or aren’t) with their kids using curse words and respecting adults.
  • "We couldn't even say, like, I don't curse in front of my mom." — Ice [84:59]
• The hosts reflect on “rules that make no sense” from their own upbringing.

---

4. Rest in Peace Tributes

[24:45-27:44]

• In a somber moment, the crew pays respects to actor James Van Der Beek and beloved NYC local Shanae Curry, both lost to aggressive cancers.
  • Mark Lamont Hill provides a touching tribute to Van Der Beek:
    • “[He] had almost universal praise and love. Even famous people in this country [...] often don’t have the means and resources to take care of their health.” [25:10]
  • This sparks a conversation about healthcare inequities, even for celebrities, and the collective grief in their community.

---

5. Celebrity Deaths & Social Media Mourning

[27:58-34:12]

• The group discusses the etiquette (and awkwardness) of posting bedside or funeral photos on social media.
  • "Don't even post me on my deathbed." — Joe [33:05]
  • They debate whether posts showing grief are for remembrance or clout.
• The recent viral photo of Alfonso Ribeiro with Van Der Beek, taken by Van Der Beek’s wife, prompts a lighthearted but honest debate about boundaries ("Palm the [head] with his eyes closed. Almost mouth to mouth with me. Sorry, buddy." — Joe [31:06]).

---

6. J. Cole's Album, Lawsuit, and “Performative” Critique

[51:41-57:37]

• Joe and crew celebrate J. Cole’s 300k first-week album sales, dissect his unique "Civic" marketing, and address accusations of being “performative.”
  • "I love the idea. There's a billion ways to be performative. Look at what he chose—right?" — Joe [55:47]
• They also explain Cam'ron’s lawsuit against Cole for an alleged unpaid “swap” (feature for feature/sample clearance), ultimately agreeing that informal, non-contractual “swap” deals are tough to enforce.
  • "If you don't have paperwork [...] then by the terms of law, Cam, the lawsuit not gonna make sense." — Ish [59:29]

---

7. J. Cole Song Controversy & Growth

[62:34-66:37]

• The verse about his regret for being homophobic as a youth prompts debate about accountability, evolution, and generational change in Black communities.
  • "I think a lot of times people be outraged by verses and they don't actually understand them. [...] That was the mark of growth." — Mark Lamont Hill [65:04]
  • They stress the importance of context, self-reflection, and not holding people forever to old standards.

---

8. Geechi Gotti’s Arrest & Struggles of Battle Rappers

[117:18-147:59]

• News breaks about battle rap champ Geechi Gotti being arrested with a large stash of narcotics and allegedly involved in multiple pharmacy robberies.
  • The conversation becomes a raw exploration about the limits of battle rap earnings, the draw back to “the streets,” and larger cycles of poverty, pride, and poor decisions.
  • Joe is clear: "If you're making $10,000 a battle, then go do 15 of them and make a buck 50 a year. And now you're not in this poor class that you keep trying to make go." [127:05]
  • “Everyone makes mistakes. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that this is indeed a mistake. But this is one of the dumbest mistakes I've ever seen.” — Joe [125:56]

---

9. Culture, Capitalism & The Epstein Hearings

[173:10-197:08]

• The group reacts in disbelief to the recent congressional hearings regarding the Epstein case and DOJ’s lack of accountability, highlighting Pam Bondi’s cold responses and the systemic cover-up.
  • "It's all about the bread." — Ice [193:34]
  • Profound discussion reinforces that profit in America often comes “at the expense of certain bodies,” using historical context (transatlantic slavery, capitalism).
  • “Endless growth demanding endless sacrifice [...] If we keep celebrating the climb ignoring the backs who bear it, we remain complicit in the oldest American sin.” — (quoting McCad Brooks) [193:51]
• They draw a clear line from America’s history of commodifying Black bodies to its present-day hypocrisy about justice and wealth.

---

10. Music Highlights & Critique

[97:03-111:21]

• Jill Scott’s new, genre-blending album is praised, with her live performances hyped as highly recommended.
• New songs spun and reviewed include records from Victoria Monét, Alex Isley, Baby Rose, Leon Thomas, Isaiah Haran, and Brent Faiyaz.
• Brief (hilariously scathing) reactions to Sexy Red’s attempted Michael Jackson "Beat It" cover, and Karisha (City Girls)’s recent viral track.
  • “That mute. It didn’t sound good. The vibe, I don’t know what the fuck it was.” — Demona [163:30]
• Discussion of upcoming posthumous Nipsey Hussle album, with skepticism about album rollouts.

---

11. Race, Identity, & The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[199:34-206:26]

• Debate whether hip hop “belongs” in the Hall of Fame was sparked by Kiss’s Gene Simmons repeating his stance that hip hop doesn’t, and shouldn’t, count.
  • “My response … would be, I believe that hip hop belongs anywhere you put it — part of that is because it encompasses all things.” — Joe [202:55]
• Chuck D’s measured response is played: “Those who really were in the middle of the muck creating something out of nothing — you got to consider that too.” [209:14]
• Ice and Demona argue for building their own institutions, not seeking validation from white-run museums.

---

12. Closing, Reflections, and Notable Quotes

[215:25-218:56]

• The episode closes on a touching note, playing a message from James Van Der Beek himself on the nature of love and self-worth:
  • “If I am worthy of God’s love, shouldn’t I also be worthy of my own?” — James Van Der Beek [215:39]
• The crew reflects on his words and wishes listeners well, emphasizing self-care, love, and growth.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It's not just a $40,000 battle. You can make more money after that. You can host parties. You pop in for a while after you in that big battle.” — Demona [124:25]
• “If all else fails, I go back to what I know.” — Joe (referencing his old song) [130:27]
• “You don’t have to worry about getting a billion fans when the 30,000 you have will pay you.” — Demona [158:18]
• “Ignorance is bliss. That’s why I block it out—but just ignoring consistently, that’s irresponsible.” — Demona [198:14]
• “You’re not even a runner!” — Joe (on Geechi Gotti’s failed escape) [133:11]
• “Some of the hip hop act. You can't say that for some of the rock and roll acts. That has nothing to do with hip hop. So why would it be in the hip hop Hall of Fame?” — Joe [203:31]
• “If you keep celebrating the climb ignoring the backs who bear it, we remain complicit in the oldest American sin.” — Quoting McCad Brooks [193:51]
• “You are worthy of love, simply because you exist.” — James Van Der Beek [215:41]

---

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening wit/debates: [00:34–02:40]
• Valentine’s/Fellas Times: [14:07–19:54]
• Demona’s Birthday Arrival: [41:02]
• Rest in Peace Tributes: [24:45–27:47]
• Vanderbeek/Carlton deathbed photo debate: [29:25–33:12]
• J. Cole sales/lawsuit: [51:41–57:37]
• Geechi Gotti arrest/battle rap economics: [117:18–147:59]
• Epstein hearings/capitalism: [173:10–197:08]
• Rock and Roll Hall of Fame debate: [199:34–206:26]
• James Van Der Beek closing message: [215:25–218:56]

---

Final Thoughts

This episode is a masterclass in balancing rowdy banter and genuine vulnerability, with a deft handling of both the absurd and the profound. Listeners are reminded of the “witty” backbone of the show but also encounter earnest, sometimes gut-punching perspectives on America, celebrity, fame, justice, and Black survival. The closing message on self-worth and love, set against the backdrop of prevailing injustice and exploitation, feels especially resonant—a fitting “Valentine” for the audience.

Happy Valentine’s Day from The JBP!

---

For those interested:

• Skip to [16:41] for Valentine’s plans and concert recommendations
• [51:41–57:37], for the latest with J. Cole, his new album, and the Cam'ron lawsuit
• [117:18–147:59], for the full breakdown of Geechi Gotti’s arrest and an unfiltered look at life after battle rap
• [173:10–197:08], thoughtful analysis on the Epstein hearings and America’s continued reckoning with its past
• [215:25–218:56], for a moving message from James Van Der Beek on love and self-worth

---

Next episode: More jokes, more takes, and—if you’re lucky—a better Civic.

Transcript

[A]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. Why I'm getting slow in my. I'm getting slower.

[B]

You should never think he's just talking. I ain't even get it.

[A]

I still ain't get it. You know what my problem is? I give people, the humans, the benefit of the doubt more than the benefit of the doubt is dead.

[B]

Nah, once you know who somebody is, you kind of. I know Mark is on bullshit the second he sit there. It's all bullshit.

[C]

Yeah, that's all it is.

[A]

Yeah. Mark made a funny that went totally undetected by me. But once I got it, I still ain't. Those are the best.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Still ain't getting it. Those are the best.

[B]

Slow, but it's cool.

[C]

Resaying it. It won't be funny the second you had to be there.

[A]

But you gotta be witty. It's one of those things how you funk so many bitches without wit. Cause you did. Damn.

[B]

I ain't witty.

[E]

You did.

[A]

God damn. You did your numbers without wit.

[B]

That's crazy. You said I ain't witty.

[A]

Are you with him? Wait, are you.

[B]

That's why I'm not dragging it.

[A]

I'm just asking.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

Are you with it?

[B]

I had to be something. I ain't had no trauma to bond over. I had to do something.

[A]

Shooting back. Shooting back. And there's plenty of drama in there for you to bond over. Okay.

[B]

No, I mean, it's cool.

[A]

Okay, so you are witty, and I'm leaving alone. Just tell me yes. Get away from me, bro.

[C]

You don't think he's woody up here?

[A]

You don't think he's woody up here? You always your give. Your talent is you take a sip.

[B]

Or he just stare at you.

[A]

He got to learn how to not take the sip. Do I think Ish is witty?

[D]

I think is witty.

[A]

My man. I ain't never going to talk. Y' all can't trick me.

[C]

Compliment.

[A]

Y' all can't trick me to talking bad about my man. Y' all trying to trick me. Yes, is the answer to that. I think. I don't think he witty with the.

[C]

He.

[D]

He might put on a little extra weight.

[A]

Never the case. He up there still doing that stupid 89 shy brother bullshit.

[B]

Joe, Joe, Joe.

[A]

Yeah, you witty with the bitches. Say word is born.

[B]

Word is every stop, okay?

[C]

About to be winning. See?

[A]

About to be winning. Then that's my bad.

[B]

Then I'm good.

[A]

Nah, cool. If it's anybody's bad, it's mine. My fault. My fault for even play with you like that.

[B]

OG all right, bro.

[A]

Og. Og.

[B]

It's all right, bro.

[A]

I'm good.

[C]

What'd you think he'd be saying to him?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I told you, you got to do this.

[B]

It's 20 years of interviews. So expelled upon that.

[A]

Nothing. But I can help you with that.

[C]

You got a 580 right now.

[A]

None but you. If you got a copy machine, I can do it for you.

[B]

Y. I got that from you, though. I can help you with that.

[C]

That's w. That's wit.

[A]

That's wit. Come on. Come on.

[B]

Too much wit.

[A]

Oh, problem? Oh, no problem. Don't do that. That's recent.

[B]

That's new game.

[A]

Yeah, that's new game. Don't do that. That's new shit. Oh, holy shit. And that's a joke. I'm totally joking, man. I'm glad everybody's in a good mood. Good to see y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Good to see y', all, man. Happy Valentine's Day.

[C]

Happy Valentine's Day.

[B]

Happy Valentine's Day.

[A]

Happy Valentine's Day. We'll get to it. Mark said. Mark said. How long you think our opening Valentine's Day segment is going to go to? N was like, man, 30 seconds real quick. Real quick.

[B]

Ain't even.

[A]

Stupid ass cute. Oh, man. All right, come on, let's have a good time. I meant to tell you when we did the fist bump thing, that your hands was a little ashy. No.

[B]

Why y' all want to take everything.

[A]

I say like some type of jo.

[B]

Can't be. I wonder why. I wonder why.

[A]

God damn. And that lotion I smell for me.

[B]

I ain't going to hold you.

[A]

That lotion is not supposed to be here. Yeah, this got the little London is sick.

[B]

The devil worshiper signs on you call money right here.

[D]

Colonizer steps.

[B]

Yeah, some. You know what it mean?

[A]

That lotion ain't supposed to be here. Like Deborah Cox. Boy, I gotta start searching these drawers. I gotta start searching these dresses and.

[B]

Leave some good over here.

[A]

Yeah, some is supposed to be meant for me to take home Medusa in the morning. We leave it in here.

[B]

Oh, no, this dude got some on it.

[A]

Yeah, man, if you don't throw me that lotion over here and this shit.

[C]

You good, you good.

[A]

Don't even use lotion.

[B]

Don't. My lower. You know, I've been five degrees outside. You need some, too?

[D]

Yeah, I do, actually.

[C]

Word.

[B]

Word. This ain't bad. My.

[A]

Nah, it been so cold. And I've been home not putting no lotion on. I've been scratching the soul off y'. All. Absolute all over my body. Scratching the absolute. It got so bad the other night, three in the morning, I went to the bathroom, got some lotion, like. All right, all right, I'll do it.

[B]

Yo, I'll do it. All right, I'll do it.

[A]

Yeah, I'll do it. I'll get some lotion there.

[B]

No more.

[A]

The itch kept coming back.

[B]

Yeah, bro.

[C]

I just ignore the itch.

[B]

That's some expensive lotion right there.

[A]

Wait, you took some. Okay, but where is it?

[C]

You ain't getting it back.

[A]

Yeah, it's a dub on that. All right.

[C]

How much?

[A]

I got poppers, actually.

[B]

Pick up some more of those. Get the value pack. That, that, that.

[A]

Is it going? Is it going?

[D]

Is it going?

[B]

Is it going?

[A]

I don't know. You're looking for.

[B]

That's how that song starts.

[A]

What you say? Freeze.

[B]

I never heard that. I said, that's how that song starts.

[A]

Y.

[E]

My.

[A]

Y' all ain't going to sit here and do a QVC on my lotion. That all right.

[C]

Amazing.

[B]

Like, I keep.

[A]

Mark, you had some, too. Yeah, y' all think my. The party, B. I bet that got the whole room smelling good.

[B]

That all right, bro.

[E]

In the club.

[A]

M Shack. One, two, one, two. M Shack. One, two, one, two, hold. Miami.

[E]

What up?

[A]

What up? What up out there? Yes, sir. Oh, wait for the ladies. All wait for the ladies. Happy Valentine's Day. You heard? Big jersey. Big jersey. Whole new york city, we got.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

One of my. One of my favorites sets. The drunk white girl. This is definitely the drunk white girl.

[D]

A Great Goose commercial.

[A]

Shout out to the patronies out there, happy couples out there.

[E]

Hey.

[A]

Didn't think so.

[B]

How you doing?

[A]

I ain't going to lie. I had a time in Florida when this run was going on.

[C]

I ain't going outside when this came.

[A]

I had a time in Jersey.

[C]

I was still outside when this was.

[A]

You goddamn right the. You did. I think this is like 20 years ago.

[B]

It's a long time. Especially 20. This is 20 years, like, damn near 20 years ago.

[D]

I'm curious about.

[E]

You want to get in my world? Get lost in it?

[A]

I'm tired of running. Let's walk forever. He yummy. It's when the club still had a dance floor and all that. Yeah, 20 years.

[B]

April 2020. I mean, April 2006.

[A]

Yeah, 20 years. I used to sing this division. All the parents out there listening. Everybody in college listening. We.

[E]

It'S.

[A]

Shout out to y'. All. Trying to make your last minute dinner reservations for the night. You're gonna have a hard time, buddy. Pay extra. Don't be mad at is what it is.

[B]

Fridays might not have a wait.

[A]

Fridays. Oh, damn. Hey, Friday's gonna be jam packed. You got Fridays fucked up. You right. Olive Garden. All that shit gonna be Pac vibrating. Wait a minute. Got a great show lined up for y' all today. Get these drops out the way real quick for the best thing. So glad y' all could be here with us today. Got an amazing show lined up for y' all today. So happy you could be here. Salutations. Greetings. All right, what episode is this? 903. Welcome to episode 903 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered By Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang. Yo, I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing people. To my right, the birthday girl. The birthday girl. I did not expect the birthday girl to be punctual on her birthday.

[D]

She may or may not show up. We'll see.

[B]

This might not even pop up.

[A]

We'll check it out. Shout out to our girl, Damona.

[B]

Happy birthday.

[A]

Happy birthday. Next to.

[B]

Not her.

[A]

Our good Brother Philly's finest, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, in the building next to him. You know what time it is, Mr. Thousand Doors and Up. Our good brother Ish is here with us today. Next to him, the freeziest of them all, Big Freeze is in the building next to him. Elmira's finest, Big Parks is here. Poe is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. Shout to everybody listening out there. Shout out to all the business people, the nine to fivers, the protesters, the activists. Shout out to the hate listeners. Shout out to each and every one of y'. All. Couldn't have done this without y'. All. How's everybody doing? Doing good. Good, man.

[C]

Good, man.

[A]

Good, good, good.

[C]

I like that sweater you got on. Oh, thanks, man.

[B]

I like it.

[C]

Shout out to the. I gotta think of the. I'll think of the name of this. It's a black woman that makes these. The sister makes these Political crew necks. So I Bought one. Just want to shout out a small business.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

All right. So your kids off the next couple days?

[B]

No, just Monday, Monday.

[C]

Mine's off Tuesday too.

[A]

Mine's off Monday and Tuesday. But New York got the whole week off.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

This week. What they just making up mid winter break.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Nah. Yeah, just half winter break word. Mid winter.

[D]

I think that's what they call it.

[C]

They told us President's Day and then lunar New Year on Tuesday.

[A]

The lunar New Year.

[B]

We ain't on the moon.

[C]

I didn't even know what the talk about it. I think they just making up.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Nah, Monday.

[A]

Well, that's it.

[C]

You might be at your house.

[D]

Told you to earth flat. Trying to put one or two together.

[A]

You got it.

[E]

Just go with it.

[B]

He's being witty.

[A]

BM talking about something. Yeah, he's off Monday and Tuesday. I know it's my weekend, but just in case you want to see him Monday, he's all yours.

[C]

It's like it's a long weekend.

[A]

Looks like the weekend landed on my side. Oh, man. Why don't be with anyway, man, kids is tough. What's up? What's popping? What's popping? What's popping? Happy Valentine's Day to the fellas. Happy Valentine's Day to all these involved fellas in here. Come on, man, talk about it. Hey, I see you new age doing fellas times.

[D]

They're doing that.

[A]

I seen a few. I seen a few fellas times. Fellas times.

[D]

Let the girls have their galentines.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm not trying to take galentines from the girls and disgusting gay.

[C]

First, what are y' all doing?

[B]

What are they doing?

[C]

First of all, what's gallon.

[B]

Just when a whole bunch of girls get together and have a. An excuse in which to celebrate some and get drunk and that's it.

[C]

And man, bash got you on Valentine's Day.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

No, no. It's like a day before. A day or two before. I think that's dope.

[C]

And so now we gonna get together and do that.

[B]

No, Exactly.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's weird.

[D]

Not we, but some men out there.

[A]

Why is it so gay for fellas to get together?

[D]

We just had. This was the Super Bowl. That was.

[B]

No, you know what? You know what makes it gay? Well, not gay.

[A]

No, not gay. Let's start.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Let me. Stop, stop. But because you're doing it because the girls are doing it. Like, because they got their own that they named and themed it out. So now you feel like, oh, if y' all got that. We gotta go get this.

[A]

We gotta have. That's.

[B]

That's where it gets.

[A]

Palantine.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

What the are you doing?

[D]

It might not be gay, but it's a little sassy. At least we could say it's very sassy.

[B]

Very sassy. Very, very, very sassy. Like, let the women have something. We don't care.

[A]

Well, what. What is everyone's Valentine's Day plans here? Come on.

[C]

You know, I was scrambling. Cause y' all taught me that we going to the new edition Boyz II Men show tonight. The night before Valentine's Day. I thought that would get me over. Y' all gave me an understanding. That ain't the case.

[B]

Shit to do with it.

[C]

Apparently. It's just coincidence, right? Yeah.

[B]

It just so happens that it was that day.

[C]

So I've been trying to find a way to do something tomorrow, and I couldn't figure nothing out. And then Jill Scott announced that she's gonna be at the Blue Note.

[D]

Oh, is she?

[C]

Yeah, on Valentine's Day.

[A]

Two sets.

[C]

One at 8 and one at 10:30.

[A]

That's sexy.

[E]

Looky here.

[D]

Yeah, I might see you there, bro.

[A]

Say the last. Jill Scott at the Blue Note.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. Eight o', clock, right? I gotta find a babysitter. That's the only thing. Yeah, but it's about to be.

[B]

Perfect spot to propose.

[C]

Propose? What did we go to after hours?

[A]

Oh, that boy.

[E]

That boy right there.

[B]

Yeah. That is hilarious.

[C]

That's a good one. Yeah. Nah. So that's our move. She was sold out within an hour of the tickets, so I had to make a phone call. I'm sure y' all can make the same phone calls and get in there, but I would say make them phone calls now.

[D]

Yeah, about to.

[C]

Cause you know how tight it is in there.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[D]

That's a fact.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So I better make those calls. Yeah. I need that table in that fucking.

[B]

That New Orleans seafood soup you keep talking about.

[A]

That whatever that soup is.

[B]

You are a foodie for real. He speaks of the Blue Note in that particular.

[C]

This is delicious.

[B]

Every time they name one of the.

[A]

Better soups in New York.

[C]

Yeah, that soup is delicious.

[A]

It is.

[C]

That's one of my move. That and the garlic shrimp in there. I eat. I eat that.

[B]

Yeah, we greedy.

[C]

We also want to spend time with our ladies.

[A]

How about the thing we're supposed to be talking about celebrating our ladies and we talking about soup. Garlic trip and. All right, so Jill Scott. That's a good idea.

[B]

That's a good idea.

[A]

I am going to try to get in there.

[B]

Yeah, same thing.

[A]

Is what you up to?

[B]

He don't celebrate this around, bro.

[D]

He buys flowers every week.

[A]

Every day. Slacking off.

[D]

Oh, damn. So.

[B]

Like a month ago.

[C]

A month ago.

[B]

Oh, it's people that you good.

[A]

So you're not doing nothing for no ain't doing.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

Did you if you don't mind me ask, did your lady, did she do that before you?

[B]

I don't think she.

[C]

She wasn't familiar with that.

[B]

My life didn't exist before me, bro.

[A]

I'm joking.

[B]

I'm joking.

[A]

I, I, you know, answer that.

[B]

No, cuz, what was the question?

[C]

Did she do Valentine's Day before him?

[B]

Valentine's Day before me.

[C]

She lived a whole life and then if you're going to be with somebody and you. Valentine's Day just stops.

[A]

I didn't take it like she didn't.

[B]

All that's a blur. It's like, no, I'm playing. I'm joking. But no, I don't know. But like I tell you all that from day one. Like, I don't do Halloween. I don't do Valentine.

[D]

Like you the first date.

[B]

Let's get this out of the way now.

[C]

Halloween.

[A]

No hearts in the car. Like, nah.

[B]

So it's just been a long time. So she, she already know. Like we don't. We. We do the other. That's the typical. We do on the norm. So it's not.

[C]

Gotcha.

[B]

We got a nice little dinner planned out. Got some for her. I am gonna try to pizza that blue loaf later.

[C]

Where your kids gonna be? When y'. All, when y' all do that?

[B]

We kid free this weekend.

[C]

I was just gonna jump.

[B]

They get dropped off today and my daughter's with her moms until Wednesday, so. Yeah.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Parks, you know, a little romantic dinner. Little bag, you know, little. Little chocolates. Little, you know what I mean?

[B]

Cute shit bag.

[D]

Bag of chocolates. Cute shit. Yeah.

[C]

Like Birkin is this shit.

[A]

Burko got a bag.

[B]

Yeah, Burko Chanello.

[A]

You know what I mean? No, no.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, maybe Cool.

[A]

Christmas. Yeah.

[B]

I see you got your little cable crew on.

[A]

You ready?

[D]

Haircut.

[B]

It's.

[D]

Yeah, it's romance weekend.

[B]

I see you. I mean, I see you.

[D]

Joe.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Joe, don't try to dodge this now.

[C]

You want take a sip?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Cuz I'm like, I don't have anything planned.

[D]

I don't particularly.

[A]

I don't have anything planned at all like, we, we. We talk, listen from my birthday.

[D]

That's a good Valentine's Day gift.

[B]

Talk, talk.

[A]

Sit. Birthday to New Year's to New Year's Day. There's too many birthdays and kids birthdays. By the time Valentine's Day gets here, I'm drained. I'm drained. And we trying to save. So it's like, yeah, we'll go to the New Edition Boyz II Men concert. We'll try to go to the Jill Scott concert. We'll try to do dinner.

[B]

But how about say y' all do food?

[A]

Other than. Other than that, I mean, not even really.

[B]

That's a good point.

[A]

Not even really. So we on some weight loss journey shit together.

[B]

We used to be foodies that black. Get you in anywhere you want to go.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

When Mark first got the job, he told me he was going make a call.

[B]

That was one of the perks.

[A]

We here two years later, no call yet.

[C]

I told you what happened before. My man was. Was a little antsy, but I'm on it now. I think the dust is cleared. I think you good now.

[D]

Thanks.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

I was with my man one day that called Car bones. That was a book. Said, now you gotta do something. Oh, you could do that. That was nice.

[C]

I mean, you could. He junk could do that on his name.

[B]

Good point. You don't even need the black.

[A]

Them make that call.

[B]

You talking about.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, make the call. Let's make that call. Okay. And I can't even think of what reason, right? What?

[B]

I can't think of the reason it.

[A]

But. Yeah, but really no reason. But who can solve.

[B]

It's different perks.

[C]

I'll tell you. When I was flying this week, I'm with you. I was in the Delta Sky Lounge and there was just too many people. And you go to Centauri Lounge and there's nobody there. Yeah, it's a better setup. And it was like nobody in there.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And nobody. But yeah, that's the best thing about black car.

[A]

Niggas in that Delta Lounge be talking all over the cantaloupe, yo.

[E]

For real.

[A]

And then, boy, don't you touch that cantaloupe. Them white people go right to that fruit. Yeah, they pick. Pick up a couple strawberries, toss them down. White people in them fruit plates in.

[D]

Delta Lounge, you don't want the squishy strawberries.

[A]

That's no, no go. It's up, right?

[B]

It is.

[E]

Hey, you're a idiot.

[A]

My girl like to eat the fruit. So she walk over there. Them white people Be a toy. No.

[B]

Then they got to stop it. You want one of these?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, then they got to ask the seven kids all the way back there.

[B]

I ain't going to lie.

[A]

Running around down, bumping into black people.

[B]

Not saying, excuse me, a cough right in the elevator. Don't say, put in your elbow or something is wrong with you.

[A]

I don't think some of them is the most hygienic. But we'll talk about it when we get to Pam Bondi. When we talk. When we get to that Pam Bondi topic. I watched that and made conclusions.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

Long time thoughts.

[B]

I was like, oh, I was judging from.

[A]

Yeah. And I think she was up there to confirm some shit facts. I don't think they're trying to hide it all. Like, God damn. But we'll get to it later. All right, so everybody's Valentine's Day is gonna be amazing. Please send my regards to each of your lovely ladies.

[D]

We'll have a good time tonight, too.

[A]

Oh, tonight's gonna be great.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm looking forward to it.

[A]

Like I said, you're more than welcome.

[C]

I'm gonna try and crash this week.

[A]

I can't figure out if you and your wife are like, one of those couples that, like, when y' all out, y' all just like to be on your own couple time or.

[C]

No, no, we would love to. It's just we. I bought. Before I knew you were having a suite. We bought tickets, so we front row, so it's kind of hard to pull it from the front rows. Oh, oh, yeah.

[E]

No.

[C]

You know what I mean.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[C]

Hey, I want to see my people. Cause I'd rather. I'd say I'd rather hang with y', all, but.

[A]

Nah, you front.

[B]

Not front row.

[A]

Front row. Yeah, nigga Wanye might do unbended knee.

[B]

In front of you, you know? Wanye start getting extra.

[C]

Yeah, he can get ext.

[A]

Oh, man. Speaking of Valentine's. Well, no, let's say rest in peace.

[D]

Yeah, let's start there.

[A]

Yeah, let's start with a rest in.

[D]

Peace James Van Der Beek.

[C]

James Van Der Beek passed away, Mark.

[A]

You know you are. Rest in peace. Dude, why are you trying to be quiet?

[C]

I could have seen your death correspondent here. I don't know.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Well, I mean, he passed away a few days ago from rectal colon cancer. Tragic. Honestly, he'd been fighting for the last few years.

[A]

Valiantly, but young, right? 48.

[C]

48 years old, ironically. Passed away the same day Whitney Houston passed away at the same age. Just a weird cosmic coincidence, but really sad. Obviously most people know him from Dawson's Creek. He's done other roles, he's been on FX shows, he's been on ABC show for a year. But Dawson Creek is where he grew a cult following, where he became the face and the name that everybody knows. But more importantly than just being a talented actor, people know him as a great spirit. People say he was a good friend. And in an industry like Hollywood where people don't have a lot of good things to say about a lot of good people about a lot of people, he's one of the few people who had almost universal praise and love. I mean, everybody's come out to talk about him. The other thing for me real fast is just he was the last few years doing fundraisers and people were trying to help him with his health care as he was dealing with this cancer. And it's just a reminder that even famous people in this country, even people who we think are just fine still often don't have the means and resources to take care of their health in a fundamental way. And that says something about who we are. Don't say nothing about him. It says who we are as a country. So I hated that he had to go through the last few years of his life with any kind of struggle, struggle. But he was surrounded by love. He was surrounded by lots of people who came out to see him in his final days. And we just wish his family all the love and condolence and healing that we can offer.

[D]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

Also, excuse me, I'm not as good at these as you are, but I just want to send a rest in peace out to Shanae. Shanae Curry.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you anywhere in New York City, you've bumped into Shane. Like, she was just one of the coolest people ever. She recently passed away from. She had cancer. She had beat cancer. And then it came back very aggressive and want to shout out to her friends and family at this time, everybody. Like, she impacted a lot of people, bro.

[C]

I didn't have the privilege of knowing her, but last night I got so many texts from people like, yo, she passed. And they said it just matter of factly, like just her name.

[F]

Right.

[C]

Because I was supposed to know her. Because everybody knows her. And again, people were. I mean, the last few days she's been a hospice, I guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And people have just been. Been. It's just an outcry of love and support and people are devastated.

[B]

Yeah. No, this fucked a Lot of people up. Like, I've been talking to people. It's like, damn, these are your peers.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? And they were having a benefit for her. Well, this is last night as of the time of this recording in Brooklyn. And just, you know, everybody just showing out to show her some love, man. Cover her family, cover her friends.

[C]

Rest in peace and cancer, man.

[A]

Yeah, that's crazy. I'm playing. Outstanding. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Sorry to start off so heavy, but.

[D]

Yeah, it.

[B]

Roll it on.

[A]

I am. There we go. Real though, the other day, I'm. Y' all know I've been on this mission to, like, clear all the distractions from my Instagram page. So I just been trying to just unfollow all the hoes that I don't know. In doing that, I saw so many people that we've lost over the years that I just never went to unfollow. And I was just stuck on. I'm stuck on Hovain's pitch page. Rest in peace. Rest in peace.

[B]

Talking about him the other day.

[A]

Home girl Nene that passed away, the bartender. Rest in peace off the. She bought a vape. Yeah, she bought a vape. And it was some in the vape. God damn, bro. Yeah. Blow my mind. All right. But in the James Vanderbeek news, Mark. Mark already told you, a lot of people came to pay their. Pay their well, wishes and respects. One of those people was Carlton.

[C]

Yes. Alfonso Rivero.

[B]

Yep.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

And the picture that was taken and posted seemed to have the Internet in a little bit of a frazzle.

[D]

It did.

[A]

Just a little bit of a frazzle. The picture was an embrace. Carlton had his hand behind James, head, like the back of his head, eyes closed. And you never just know what the Internet is going to make fun of, right? You. You lose somebody that you extremely close to, they. In their last moments, whatever your spirit leads you to do, you do it. That. That's where I fall on that.

[D]

But however.

[A]

Come on. No, no, no.

[B]

I did it. No, Lita. Great wasabi.

[A]

Because if I do it like somebody more. Come on. Somebody who would do it. Anybody.

[C]

Ours that held it.

[A]

I never thought nobody from Dawson Creek was straight, so.

[C]

All right.

[A]

So it didn't shock me. It never shocked me. I was like, oh, the wife let this go on. Okay.

[E]

Just.

[C]

Just to be clear, the wife took the picture.

[A]

See. Nah, nah.

[C]

I'm just giving you.

[A]

See, that's where. No, no, Sorry, Sorry. That I'm supposed to be mature. No. On my last day, my wife is not Taking a picture of one of my mans. Grabbing the back of my scalp.

[B]

Palm the shit.

[A]

Palming the shit with his eyes closed. Almost mouth to mouth with me. Sorry, buddy. What do you want me to say?

[B]

We could have got.

[C]

I mean, he probably did that. This is what he wrote. He said this was taken by Vander Kimberly, that's his wife. Just a few minutes before I said my last goodbye. My last moment was making him laugh one last time. I really miss him.

[A]

See, that even sounds already. I don't even like how it sounds. Even though he didn't say nothing wrong. That's how I know I'm toxic. Mark, save us.

[C]

No, please. I don't know if I'm gonna be very helpful here. I didn't think anything like sexual was happening. I just think it's a weird photo to post of your man right before he died.

[D]

It is.

[C]

It is. That for me was the thing like you could have posted. There's a picture right before that one that, you know, that was like, you know. Yeah, like me and my man kicking. Oh, that one looks a little bit like tender, but more.

[B]

All of that's better than what he posted. I didn't say that.

[C]

But don't post.

[A]

Yes, it is. That's bad.

[B]

You ain't got no pics like that.

[A]

We don't.

[B]

That ain't bad. That's not bad at all.

[C]

It's not bad.

[B]

We compare.

[A]

None of us have pictures comparing to.

[B]

What he posted though.

[D]

Yeah, all of them look gay.

[B]

No, it don't. It's levels then. No, every one of them, they look like they was locked in a warm embrace. I just don't think it's the picture that you necessarily post because you're a veteran in the entertainment industry and you know what the Internet's going to do with that picture and they not going to have. Have any empathy for what you're going through.

[D]

I would also like to be remembered looking like me.

[B]

That true?

[D]

I guess. Let me say it like that.

[B]

That part too.

[C]

Yeah, that's it for me. It's a bad look. I don't want the world to see him like that.

[B]

If that's bandages and shit, right?

[C]

Yeah, like that, you know.

[B]

So again, I'mma post this picture, something like this with us laughing and joking and being remembered in good.

[C]

That's eharmony. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. Don't even post me on my deathbed.

[D]

That part.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's why you in my deathbed like this and get off my ass head. Stop grabbing me. Yo, Sometimes I had. Sometimes some of my people was dying and I went to the hospital to say my goodbyes. And the room was crowded with family, so I just peaked in the door. G came, you know, hey, we had a time. What you do if the room is crowded with family? You just walk in there anyway.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, if. If it's your peoples like that. The problem is people be showing up up when you're not really close enough to be there anyway.

[B]

You are a monster, bro. I ain't going hold you.

[A]

I'm double parked by a hydrant. Yo, ain't no parking in the.

[C]

Said. It's a little packed in there. I'll come back another day.

[A]

It's not the club.

[B]

Dying on a Friday night.

[A]

Yeah, you know, Hot dog, you know, if you was alive, you'd want me to be. L. That's up. I'm joking. Refer to the tag in the front. These are all jokes, I promise you.

[D]

But also kind of not the.

[B]

Though Tatiana can wait.

[A]

My. It's your problem.

[B]

I.

[A]

You too got. You got the perfect dome piece too, for me to grab. You can't even show up.

[B]

They got instructions. Yo, don't let Joe in, Ice.

[A]

You got to hear some noggin that.

[B]

They going to be rubbing the back of your neck.

[A]

What?

[B]

That's crazy. Can't even show up, man. And that is a twin size.

[A]

Wait, what? His car.

[C]

Wait, what are we talking.

[E]

Hold on.

[B]

The bed.

[E]

Bed.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

What are you talking about? He laying in the bed with the.

[A]

Is he. Nah, nah, he's on the side of.

[B]

The side of the bed.

[C]

It's like a lean.

[B]

Yeah, he leaned over, bro. He leaned over.

[A]

Y' all talking. All right, all right, listen. Is Carlton gay?

[C]

No, I don't think.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

No, no, he's married.

[B]

I don't think so. So. Nah, I ain't putting that on nobody, bro.

[A]

It's a new music come out.

[C]

He's married to a white woman.

[A]

Did new music come out?

[C]

You got like five kids. Yeah, you know, he's.

[B]

We don't know that he's gay. Yeah, let's say that we don't know that he's gay.

[C]

He's as straight as anybody in Hollywood.

[A]

See you. What?

[B]

Mark play around too much. And again, we playing around like we.

[C]

I have no reason to believe he's gay.

[B]

That's what I said.

[C]

Yeah. I have no reason to believe he's gay. Other than that picture.

[B]

And this shit.

[A]

If one of y' all was on here on that bed, I probably would just do Some gay while y'. All. Oh, you definitely. I would do some Josh Hart.

[B]

You come in the towel be, boy. Damn. All soft. You say some dumb.

[A]

Yo, y' all are crazy. All right, Carton is straight. We can move on. I'm not with you.

[D]

Yeah. Sorry for your loss.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Sorry, man.

[B]

For sure.

[D]

Chilling.

[A]

All right.

[D]

That picture was crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I'd be.

[A]

I'd be skeptical. Skeptical about even taking a picture at wakes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

I don't think that's the place for pictures. Yeah.

[A]

Funerals, Any of that.

[D]

Hospitals, funerals.

[B]

I used to feel that way. And then somebody like. I'm not mad at somebody taking the picture, like, for their own memory.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Posted is crazy.

[B]

It's the posting part.

[C]

We taking a picture of what, though? Like, me in the casket.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not mad at that.

[D]

Yo, my bad.

[B]

I'm not mad at that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of it, but I'm not. It's the posting for me.

[D]

When you lost one of my best friends, like, last year. Rest in peace, Hadley. And my man took a picture, like, hugging him in the joint.

[A]

Oh, God.

[D]

I was like, that's. That's a lot.

[B]

That's a lot.

[D]

Maybe he's not famous. So, I mean, you know, he's on Facebook or something.

[B]

I'm cool.

[C]

That makes it different, too, if, like, 50 people are going to see it versus, like, in this case, 50 million.

[B]

No, that don't make a difference because all it take is the wrong one. And now 100 million saw it. People be posting, thinking it's only gonna stay in a little circle, and then one person go share it over here. Next thing you know, it's viral.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why I'm just. Them private moment shits. I don't think should be posted.

[D]

I agree. Funerals don't post it.

[A]

Personally, I'm not even inviting y' all to my. If I'm about to go and I'm on my last. I don't give a. If you didn't come say goodbye, send a text, read about it on X.

[B]

When they tell you you don't control.

[C]

That, you ain't gonna be able to control. You ain't gonna control nothing when we get. We do it. I'm going live, man.

[B]

I'mma bust up in the. Did you talk about. Yo, you on control of.

[A]

Look at Mark? Subscribe to page.

[C]

Look, you got to move somewhere.

[A]

Oh, look, you want to keep.

[C]

You want to keep this great content coming?

[A]

I know it plays for you, Mark, didn't you say. Well, I said it too, so I can't even make too much fun of you. But I was joking when I said it.

[C]

Uhoh.

[A]

The homeboy that jcole was calling a ass all throughout that song. Yeah, I was joking when I was like, yo, homeboy, if you out there, he hit me. Yo, come up here and we would love to talk to you. I'm being performative, but he reached out to a few people. He.

[B]

Yeah, he hit us.

[A]

He hit me. He hit y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

Yo, I'm the on the song. I want to come up. I'm punk.

[C]

How did you verify this? I am punk.

[D]

You know, there's a bunch of people that probably will be willing to be.

[B]

Punk for a week.

[A]

How was. How were you? He dm'd y'. All.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Saying, yo, it's me, and I want to come up there.

[C]

They hit you directed through your man that sends you to school. Well, you know, exactly get vetted.

[A]

You hit him back?

[C]

No, sent your man after, but.

[B]

And they also just in the thing. They showed him the person. He got a video out. Yeah, he do video out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, money grip. I'm not the money grip. Yo. I just be up here talking, man. I don't really want to talk then. Well, come on, man.

[C]

Sir, mister. Mister, I have no standards. Come to the mark of my hill, patriot. I'll get that concert today.

[B]

I'll be live.

[C]

I got you, Mark.

[A]

Dead ass, too.

[B]

Mister. You know, the funny is that would.

[A]

Go up too, and. What? What?

[C]

Oh, my God. I. I tried to hit Glorilla's sister.

[A]

Oh, wait, what?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What is he saying?

[C]

I tried crazy. I tried, man. She Hollywood.

[A]

I want to clown him, but that. That would be fire.

[C]

Are you kidding me? I tried to do this shit like 4 days ago. I wouldn't go tell. No. You know I don't tell nobody till it's up. I would have paid her, nigga. I was trying to.

[B]

25.

[A]

I knew that wasn't free. I don't.

[B]

Yo, dog, 3500 had her with a new chain. Ba mama, I'mma get you to match your bracelet.

[C]

But now she. Now she. She cursed me. You got to talk to my people.

[B]

Oh, she got people. Oh, she got representation.

[E]

She got people.

[C]

Oh, So I hit her like, you gotta talk to my people. Then I heard her people up, and the people ain't hit me back. I would have gave. I would have gave 5, 000 for the interview. I started with 2500, but I don't went up to 5000 for the interview. They. They too big now. She said she made 200,000 last week.

[A]

What?

[C]

That's what she said. I don't know if it's true, but she said she made 200,000 last year. You see it with the new chain. And she advertising all on her. All on her Instagram page. She don't need me. It's okay. Give it a month.

[B]

Hey, yo, you got your little.

[E]

Hey, y'.

[A]

All. I didn't even know you had that audience. Audience. Give us some music.

[C]

Yo, we need some music or something.

[D]

N. Come on.

[A]

I got you.

[D]

I got you.

[A]

I got you. Fishnets on with the thighs. Hey, yeah. Big Demona in the building. It's a real one's birthday. Hey.

[B]

Mona.

[A]

Happy birthday. Thank you, Mona. You look great. You look marvelous.

[E]

I appreciate that. I want the people to know he just had Britney Spears queued up like that for.

[D]

I did.

[E]

Oh, you were good.

[A]

Y.

[B]

You had the mini on with him. With the Catholic school girl. You might have had that skirt rolled up at the bus stop when I pulled.

[E]

When they went this out, I kept saying, you got to be early if you wear a skirt. You got to be early if you wear. Hey, fellas.

[A]

Mona, you look good. You look great, though.

[E]

It's my birthday.

[A]

Happy birthday.

[E]

Yeah, thanks, guys.

[B]

28 now, right?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Happy birthday.

[E]

28 plus something. Plus something, you know.

[C]

Did you celebrate last night?

[E]

A little bit. Just something at the house. We went to go get food. But my birthday party tonight, so.

[B]

Where?

[A]

Where?

[E]

In the hood?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

All right. My best friend said to me, because we was talking about the. The party or something.

[B]

Mark ain't got no juice out there. Right?

[E]

See that? We've been like sticking them in like hood ratchet places to do birthday parties for years now.

[C]

So it's in Philly or Delaware?

[E]

It's in Delaware. Oh, yeah. Cuz I work, so we got to be at the hour kind of look.

[B]

Got you, got you.

[E]

Work comes first.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

At the hour.

[A]

I ain't get a fly. Little chin.

[E]

You wouldn't come to that.

[D]

I still want the fly.

[E]

Oh, y' all want the.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

My girl got the heels on with the lace on with the. And the. Yo, I ain't going to hold me now skirt.

[B]

Yeah, you look like you the beginner.

[A]

Skin all oiled up.

[B]

The beginning of the porn scene.

[E]

Joe is crazy.

[A]

Another world in another world. I guess I see you next time.

[E]

We will be.

[A]

You look good. You look good. I'm so happy you're here. Happy birthday.

[C]

It said you look like the beginning of the porn scene.

[B]

Yo, that's. I'm lying. Spot on.

[A]

And I feel like she was going for that look, too.

[E]

I wasn't. This isn't even mini skirt.

[B]

Come on, y', all with the fishnets and the boot. Come on. With the button down oxford.

[E]

Your boot is giving golf. Like, I don't want to have to.

[B]

Teach y' all the golf chicks be off.

[E]

Golf chicks be hoes, too. I don't hoes, so I don't know. Y' all gotta hit me. I didn't know.

[B]

What y' all was doing.

[C]

Yo.

[E]

That might be a. That might.

[B]

Who you think that's what Big was talking about.

[A]

I take it back. He's with you.

[C]

I take it back.

[A]

I take it back.

[C]

He making a point now.

[A]

He going crazy today. Jesus. We were just talking about bro Rilla saying that she made 200 grand. 200 grand?

[B]

Marco's going, last month, right? Or last week?

[C]

Last week.

[B]

Oh, last week.

[C]

She didn't exist last month.

[A]

Word.

[D]

Congrats.

[B]

Salute.

[E]

I think she understands, like, numerically, like when she guessed the numbers. I don't think she get it. Cause when the guy from TMZ said, how much would you want if she. If Glorilla made 2 million, how much would you win? She says, 2,500. I'm sure every nigga she seen for the rest of the month said, why the fuck you say 2,509? Like, I don't think she gets how small a percentage 2500 is with 2 million. Because she's special needs guys.

[B]

Mark offered her five bands.

[A]

I was trying.

[C]

I was gonna start with 2500.

[A]

Mark was trying to do an interview.

[B]

Mark was trying to book her for an interview.

[A]

And I wanted to clown him about it.

[E]

I couldn't imagine you doing that. You would have really did that?

[A]

Yes, he dead ass. I still will.

[C]

Call me bro, please. Scarface.

[E]

She's gonna call this the. And I'm not joking. I hate that. I hate that this girl's about to be on Bad Girls Club and have this all. You know what I mean? I think it's really. It's terrible that anybody would support something like that. And it's so crazy. They in the comments. Cause I said something like, oh, this is bullshit. She a bum, or whatever. And they. That's how you got your start, right, bitch, don't be a hater. And it's like, no, I didn't get my start by, like, hating on My family member and then going viral. Like, that's crazy. I just feel like the way everybody loved Glorilla and was all happy for her to get the deal and all that. Why would we push that? You know what I mean? Like, that's fucked. What she's doing is fucked up. If it happened to any one of us.

[C]

That's true.

[E]

We'd be talking about this shit all day. Ass cousin, you know?

[C]

Yeah, it's up. She shouldn't do that. And I'm going get to the bottom of it.

[A]

On Patreon. On Patreon.

[B]

I'mma bring her to the carpet. Exactly.

[E]

Exactly. That is crazy.

[A]

I did that.

[C]

Not that first tier dope ass, performative.

[A]

Ass rant about the loser sibling. I've been beefing with one of my siblings.

[B]

Yo, you lying.

[A]

I cannot believe that.

[E]

Is it coincidence?

[A]

That's like one of those things that happened privately that I. I ain't never supposed to share, but I'm still kind of flabbergasted by it.

[C]

Wait, they think you was talking about them?

[B]

No share.

[E]

Or is it coincidence? Is it a coincidence or is it because of what you said?

[A]

Going through something. I think I'll call him after he cool down.

[C]

Did he say that he thought it was about this?

[A]

He said a lot. He said quite a bit.

[E]

Okay, bro, we just potting.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

I was just talking about. I was talking about other. The other sibling. That's what you say?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not never talking about none of my siblings. God damn it. Anyway, look, Rilla said, like, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

What do you know about your sister? Like, you know, she got that deal, but, you know that's a band, so.

[E]

You got to get that back, bro. She been on four years, bro. She got endorsement with Sheen. All types of Sheen. She. Hell yeah, she got an endorsement with Sheen. I'm googling her network every day and getting mad and mad. That's lying. She knew that. She knew how to do a Google network.

[A]

Yeah, I want a clown, bro. Rilla. But I think she funny. But yes, I do think she's special needs, too.

[E]

I think she's slow. Honestly, I don't.

[A]

But why are you. Why are you such a fan of finesse? Two times.

[C]

Same question. It was a birthday. I was gonna let it go.

[E]

If anything finesse is like, you think he. You know how Rain man had them talents and shit. If anything, finesse will be one of them. He has verse, like a precise talent of rhyming.

[C]

That's true.

[E]

Beat making Stuff like that. And he's a performer. Like, I know he's egging it on. You know what I mean? That nigga really think that Sheen deal, like, got her sister billions of dollars. Like, she's slow for real.

[B]

But this ain't new. The Internet love making these motherfuckers famous.

[E]

I hate it.

[B]

We've been doing this for 15 years now. 20 years. That's true.

[E]

I hate it. I don't get why. Like, that's supposed to. Like, I just don't get how that's a positive thing. Thing. Like, it's just. It's trifling.

[C]

We need to ignore her.

[E]

Exactly. It's grounded in envy. Because you. You support your favorite person when Glorilla still had the. The first face, teeth and all that. And everybody love her. She on the Maxima now. She got a NBA. Now it's the envy slide in. That's all it is. And that's. I feel like people at home. I want you to pay attention to this.

[A]

Not just an NBA A All Star. These rap girlies got y' all just thinking that y' all could go get the G League and put certain bars in your songs and think that you live in your raps. No, Glorilla has an All Star. If you turn the TV on this weekend, you'll see him. You bitches don't. It's a separation. Everybody be like, ah, fuck that ass. Relax.

[B]

The fact that you said, yo, I'm checking her net worth every day on the Internet is crazy. Like, that's crazy.

[A]

I wish her the best, and I hope she getting a. A coin. I think that she's funny. A little slow, a couple sandwiches short of a page picnic. But I do think she funny. What the she said about Booy? She said Booy looked like a what? That was funny.

[E]

She went on YouTube.

[C]

What did she call?

[A]

No, she killed me.

[E]

No, she didn't.

[C]

She killed you. She killed Charlotte.

[E]

Man, she didn't kill nobody. She ain't killed nobody yet. The person she makes the most fun of, she's not trying to, which is herself. And I wish her the worst. I hope that strap has gonorrhea on it the next time you use it, yo.

[B]

God damn.

[A]

Oh, damn. All right.

[E]

That's not right.

[B]

She about to have some bars for you.

[E]

No. Why? No, she not. Why, why, why? And why am I supposed to support toward that? Like, why? Like, why am I supposed to, what, Want the best for her? Why? It's grounded in. In envy and jealousy and nastiness. Nothing good gonna come from it ever. So, no, I'm not pushing. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. Go to Amazon. You know what I'm saying? How the we gonna get packages of people like you ain't in there? Everybody has a role. Everybody can't be no cheap baby. Okay? We need Indians, babe. Bro, you want her in charge of making decisions? No. You want that. Packing your dishes that you order? That's what you want. Not even dishes. Plastic. I can't. I doubt the can handle.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think that's going to work out.

[A]

Dishes.

[B]

What the.

[A]

All right. I like it.

[B]

I like birthday moments. Professionals doing something for you.

[A]

All right. What else needs our attention? What else needs our attention? What else is important? What else are we passionate about? Takes galore. Takes galore today. Going once, going twice. You know, we wrote a whole board of.

[C]

Thoughts.

[B]

I don't segue.

[A]

Are y' all slow?

[B]

I'm waiting for the segue guys.

[A]

Who's the segue guys? No, we not.

[C]

There's no hierarchy up there.

[E]

Y' all do this. No, that's. Shut up, Mark.

[C]

Right? There's not.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

You do the same ways Ice do same ways. Me, it's not in yellow.

[B]

I provide commentary and opinions. Ice and Mark do the same segues.

[C]

Oh, I didn't know.

[E]

I say it again.

[A]

Let's start. He right in what he's saying. But he's wrong, cuz. I mean, I think ish will kill a segue.

[C]

I think he would too. He.

[A]

But he too cool to. That's what I think it is. I just think he feel like he too cool to segue, which is crazy to me.

[B]

I'm too cool to segue, but I can give a long ass diatribe about the topic.

[A]

That's your bad here.

[B]

We got you. Hey, Mark. Everybody chill out.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

I'mma work. Get us there. I'm. I'm start watching the pod. I'm working on.

[C]

I'm start watching the pod. It's crazy.

[A]

Or read one of those. Yo.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Yo, Jean. All right, well, I was going to.

[C]

Save it for later, but Jean Simmons. Y' all heard Jean Simmons.

[A]

See, well, I'm not talking about Jean Simmons before I talk about Jermaine Cole. This is still a black. Somewhat black.

[E]

Somewhat black.

[A]

This is a somewhat black broadcast.

[D]

I do want to start that.

[E]

He.

[D]

He's did 300,000 first week. I don't know if we really touched upon that. So round of applause.

[C]

Round of applause for that.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

That's.

[D]

That's amazing.

[B]

That's real that's more than.

[A]

That's big boy numbers.

[C]

Yeah, it is.

[D]

That's superstar numbers.

[B]

And that. And that's based on streams, I'm sure.

[A]

Stream sales based on everything they based it on.

[B]

No, I don't know, cuz he was selling off the Civic. I don't know if those. I don't know.

[F]

That don't count.

[D]

No, he's probably said it every single year.

[B]

That's what I was saying. No, when the 300 was first reported, it said, I think 110 was sales.

[D]

I. I believe it.

[B]

And that 110 is higher than what do with streams.

[A]

Yeah. Word.

[B]

That's crazy. Congratulations.

[C]

I told y' all he killed Bruno Mars.

[B]

Guys about to throw Batman at you.

[E]

Son, do you remember you saying, like, putting it out there that whoever the guy was, he was talking about to tap in with you?

[B]

Oh, right when you walked in, we was talking about that. He hit everybody. He hit all of us.

[E]

Oh, so that's actually him. I just assumed, you know, I literally. I. I wrote back. I just put a little cat, like. I just.

[C]

You know, if you send it over to me, I'm the one person he didn't send it to.

[A]

So you said it over to me.

[E]

Your DM's just packed with people begging for.

[A]

Mark is one of the people begging for.

[E]

That's so funny, though, because you. You was being facetious. You didn't really.

[A]

Homeboy, I'm never gonna talk to you.

[E]

Yes, thank you. Just.

[A]

There's no world, universe, planet, or anywhere where I'm gonna talk to you. No. Get outta here. I would never risk my non existent J. Cole relationship.

[C]

Hey, hey.

[A]

I never met Jay Cole. Check this out. Hey. I never spoke to him, texted him, DM'd him. We have no relationship. And I'm still not talk. Sorry, buddy. One of these. There y' all are. Come on. Yeah, one of these you can talk to.

[E]

Take the interview. This one.

[C]

This one.

[B]

Yo, yo.

[A]

What the is going on?

[C]

I was supposed to fix this thing.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[C]

Oh, your brother hit you from a pay phone?

[A]

Oh, he had a pay phone. That was flavorful.

[B]

The PayPal was flagrant.

[A]

I want to be very. I want to be very clear that I wasn't talking about nobody that I am related to. I just want to make that clear because Mark is funny and.

[B]

Yeah, be careful. Cause Mark will interview him too. See, that's why I wouldn't do it.

[E]

Let me tell you something. You interview one of my baby dads and we're done.

[C]

I would never interview nobody Y' all close to you.

[A]

Bro.

[E]

Bro. I know.

[C]

Mark.

[B]

I'll play it back.

[A]

Okay. So Jermaine Cole did 300. Congratulations to J. Cole. Really big number. I'm not shocked by it. He's. He is still big three. I know. I know the narrative. I'm tired of it. But he. He is. He's him. And he's in the Civic. He's driving around. He's. He's meeting with his fans.

[B]

Fire.

[A]

Big turnouts at a lot of colleges. I saw AX say that it was performative. What's wrong with performers being performers?

[B]

I would give. And you still stand to who you are, though.

[E]

That's the time.

[B]

That's the part where that's. I don't care.

[A]

If that.

[B]

I don't even call that performing, bro. If that.

[D]

He's a performer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are we talking about marketing my album?

[D]

That, too.

[B]

What we talking about.

[E]

And it works because even people. Like, I've said it a thousand. I'm not a fan. But that makes me interested that he's riding around in Civic. You bring new people, people in. Like, true. That's when you supposed to be performing, when you promote.

[B]

He picked fans up and let them get in the car to the album.

[A]

And took a picture in front of the Civic with this one girl. That was beautiful. Took a picture. Right. I didn't see. It was no crowd. Looked like they was alone. He took a picture with this one really, really beautiful girl in front of the Civic that I. That. That's the one I saw.

[B]

That's the one I saw.

[A]

Networking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Networking.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That's all.

[A]

But I love the idea. I love the idea. I think it's genius. And there's a billion ways for you to be performative. Look at the way that he chose. Right?

[B]

That's true.

[E]

Right?

[A]

Look at the. Look at what he chose and what it represents. Like, honestly, Civic.

[B]

I was about to say it ties directly into who he seems to be in the public.

[D]

I think more people should be performative.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Like. And be human beings.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, go out there and, like, not be too cool. Just post it on the Internet and fly expensive clothes. Like, that's cool dope. But, like, going out and meeting people is more beneficial.

[B]

Touching your real fan base organically. That shit is fire.

[C]

Like, I. I love it.

[B]

And again, if he sold 4,000 copies on the campus at $10 a pop or 12, whatever the. He's selling them for, nigga, he's still running a business. And he's an indie. You crazy.

[A]

It's a great Idea.

[B]

It's amazing.

[A]

It's a great idea. It's nostalgic.

[B]

Amazing idea.

[A]

I'm sure all of these units will somehow count.

[D]

I'm sure. Yeah.

[B]

If they don't count, they'll count. They in my pocket and it'll make more people.

[A]

It wouldn't be no citizens.

[E]

That's my thing. Making more people buy it. Just seeing all that effort putting in it makes you want to get to be a part of it. Like it's smart.

[D]

Cole is always brilliant with the marketing plan and it's always like some regular shit which is fly.

[B]

His brand is dollar in the dream.

[A]

All that.

[E]

I feel like even with the calling performative. Like we just so super cool now. Like we just so. We gotta be so cool. Like everybody has to be unbothered and you don't care about nothing. And you don't put too much effort in and it's bullshit. We all freaks. We all overthinking. We all stress the out. We all afraid the world's gonna blow up. So it's like why we can't just. You know exactly that about the world.

[C]

Exactly. And not doing is also performative because.

[E]

Exactly.

[C]

You want your to do well. You want to be out there. You want to be so acting too cool. And that's performative too.

[A]

Really good point.

[B]

That's a really good point.

[A]

That's a great point, Mark. When you're not using your powers for evil, you'll be smoking, man. Almost like a doctor. So yeah. Congratulations to J. Cole. I hope you're having a blast out there.

[D]

Wait, so what happened with the lawsuit?

[C]

So his company, his lawyer and his company Cold World denied allegations, of course. But they also asked for the lawsuit filed by Cameron to be dismissed with prejudice. Meaning that it can't be refiled again. Yeah, it can't do it. That'll be a final binding judgment. And exactly what they said was the relief requested requires no response as there are no facts alleged therein. To the extent any response is required, defendants deny the allegations and the relief requested, object to the relief requested and deny that plaintiff is entitled to any of the relief requested in the complaint or any other relief thereafter. So basically they were saying that all of it is Bullshit. That the $500,000 that Cameron is seeking and damages are. It's not true that no promise was made. They went even more specific and basically like no promises were made. All the things that are alleging didn't really happen.

[B]

So they also put out a statement. His lawyer and was saying that. That.

[A]

Yeah. You good?

[B]

I'M great. I'm great.

[A]

Great. Not too much. You keep trying to clear your throat, and it's not clearing.

[B]

That's why we got the wait for the to start working.

[D]

It's like a print sample.

[A]

God damn.

[B]

CJ Cool.

[D]

K, clear that mother go.

[C]

You boys is witty, y'.

[A]

All Witty today. Go ahead.

[B]

His lawyer put out a statement that was saying that there was no agreement for anything. Not a verse, not an interview. And it wasn't until after the I'm ready, which was 20, 24, three years.

[A]

Two years, something after the fact that.

[B]

Then they started requesting. Cam started requesting all these things. So there's like, we and no, we wasn't doing it. Who do you believe? Cam? I believe Cam. I believe Cam. But. But to. To the attorney's point, fam, you don't got no sign nothing. So if you can't, it ain't never happened. If you don't have paperwork stating that we are in agreement, that we're gonna do X for you, you're gonna do Y for us, then by the terms of law, Cam, lawsuit not gonna make sense.

[D]

I believe that there was some understanding of a swap for a swap, but I don't believe that there was any formal signed shit, so.

[B]

So legally, it's gonna be hard to do. Even though verbal verbal agreements can be legally bonding contracts, it's just gonna be hard to prove in the court.

[D]

I don't even know if it's verbal. It's like, in the music business, swaps are common in entertainment business in general. So it's probably just understood like, yeah, I'll come do this. I might need something later.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

That's that.

[B]

And knowing Cam, though, I don't know Cam, but if Cam might have some of that shit on tape, the conversations, the phone conversation on tape, like, yo, nah, nah, I'm gonna come do your shit in October. I'm gonna come do your shit in February. So that is a legally admissible thing. Like, yo, he's saying that he's gonna come do my. As a payment. I don't know.

[A]

Cam is asking for half a ticket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For two features.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

One he just talked on in intro.

[B]

And a verse and clearing and cleared them.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Does that number make sense?

[A]

I'm just saying the clearance changes things for me. Like, I was always under the belief that Cam maybe said something to J. Cole in jest, and J. Cole lied to him and said I would do it and just never thought that anything would come up. But the person that actually did the work Cam is suing, saying, hey, you didn't keep up your end of our verbal agreement, so you have to pay me. I don't really care if J. Cole now is saying, hey, you said it was for free. Nah, this work is to done. It's two joints and a clearance. And a clearance changes that for me. And even because that's because before it was like, you're not really matching value for value with what J. Cole is in the market and what Cam is in the market, A clearance changes that a little bit. A little bit for me.

[D]

A little bit.

[B]

Why, though? Because you went through the legal formalities to give them the stuff? No, I'm asking for clarity. I don't know.

[A]

Because if they own the clearance, they set the price for what that is worth to who they, to who they clearing it for.

[B]

But why that can't apply to my feature verse. If I own me giving you a feature I set the value to what is. I give my price. That's what. If you're cold or if you can, if I'm k. That's what. That's what. No, no, no, he said it clear the sample clearance.

[A]

Because there's a marketplace value on what everybody's verse is worth. You can say whatever you want.

[B]

Got you.

[A]

Yeah, so that's not the same. That's not the same with the sample.

[B]

So, yes, I might say my A half a million and we settle for this. That might, you know, you get what I'm saying?

[C]

But I.

[B]

You don't get to place the value of what my verse is worth.

[A]

I get it. Listen, I get it, so. And I get cold asking for dispenser. I get it.

[E]

So, fellas, if Cole says, okay, I'll do it. Does everything go away? Is that how it works? If Cole says, okay, I'll just come and we'll get this done.

[B]

There's the lawsuit today. He might not want that today.

[E]

That's what I was curious about.

[B]

Might have went far. Yeah, might have went to far now.

[E]

Damn. What's so crazy? Well, I don't know. I, I, I wanted to ask y' all before because remember when we talked about the album and we had that, we discussed the song where he's talking about his friend that was homosexual, that moves out of town, but when he's describing him, he uses some derogatory terms. Dick in the booty, stuff like that.

[B]

Right.

[E]

That caused like a bit of a back sweat black. You know, people were upset about that.

[A]

Of course.

[E]

Right. But what I saw more than anything was, was gays being transexual friend.

[A]

The transsexual friend.

[E]

Oh, the. The friend was the transsexual.

[C]

It was sort of implied at the end of the verse when he said he's on in Atlanta now wearing a wig. He saw him with a wig. That was the idea that he was.

[E]

And that's. That's what y' all got from it.

[B]

It was a trans.

[C]

Got from it. Yeah. By the end of the verse.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Any who. So. No, but just in general, I saw a lot of. Because, of course, gays always get that. Y' all always complain. Y' all always crying about stuff, Right? And I feel like with gays that think it's the same thing with black people where, like, how different races should enter that conversation we have with each other as far as telling each other what we supposed to say. I think it's the same thing with gay people. I'm not gay, so I can't say whether they're crying or not. But I kept seeing gay people to gay people saying, this is why they. I don't like y'.

[A]

All.

[E]

I was like, you know what I mean? Or saying, this is why they, like.

[C]

They didn't like the J. Cole verse.

[E]

I was seeing a lot of gay people that didn't like the fact that gay people were offended by the verse. Oh, I see Almost like, look at the bigger picture, the growth in it. The fact that he's looking at it like, damn, why did we do our man like that? We should have called him. We should have. It's regret in it. And the thing about me is I'm a very transparent person, and I'm gonna give you my faults or whatever. But the best part is if you could take the lesson from that so we could all see it. So in my mind, J. Cole does that to maybe make you think about the nigga you haven't spoke to in two years that you love to death that you don't know what to say to, because now this nigga wear jeggings. You know what I mean?

[B]

He was extreme.

[C]

I'm not wearing jeggings.

[E]

But you are.

[A]

Your jegging selection is you're a jeggings guy, not your weird. You wear. Right?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, but you're also married.

[B]

Call me to a woman.

[C]

Yeah, but, like, I agree. And I think a lot of times people be outraged by verses and they don't actually understand them. I'm not telling people how to feel about a verse, but. Cause I had. I got a similar response when I said I love this song because it was One of the songs that had me in a chokehold at the beginning. People were like, why would you like a song that has homophobic slurs in it? And I'm like, y' all are missing the point of the verse. He's flashing back in time and he's being self critical. And by the end of the verse, when he's about to drop the F word and stops himself and says, we don't do that no more, to me, that was the mark of growth.

[A]

That's powerful.

[C]

Yeah. To me, that was the beautiful part from talking about dicking the booty ass niggas at the beginning to say, no, we don't say that. That's unreal.

[A]

And going past. We don't say that to. Yo, we was bugging back then.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And we was bugging back then.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Ignorant. Just.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

We didn't know.

[A]

Exactly.

[E]

And that's the thing. I think that a lot of times I dropped the F word early on in my career. But I talked to a fan and he was like 20, and he was from down south, and he told me that when he hears the F word, it's the same thing as when he hears the N word. He was a mixed kid, white and black down south, and he was gay. He used to get chased home on the bus for being black and get chased home on the bus for being gay. So for him, it hurts the same. Right. I feel like the same way you can say that is like, if it was some country singer and he's singing a song with why I used to be racist. And the hook is like, back then we called them niggers, but now we call them friends, we gonna be mad.

[A]

Well, if you make that your hook, then, yeah, we will be mad.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But if it's in your third verse and you're like, oh, I used to call them N. But boy, was I wrong. I'm like, all right. He grew. All right. He just. All right. He bugged out back then.

[B]

That ain't what's gonna happen.

[E]

That's not what's gonna happen. That is not what's gonna happen, like, in reality. So I feel like, I don't know, it's still a good thing because it causes conversation. It causes conversation, makes people think, like, we're in a time where it's so much misinformation. People really are, like, teaching themselves the wrong. Getting deeper and deeper caves of. So I'm all for having a real conversation that helps us. I think in the black community, that holds us back. That is a Harder place to come out. The DL thing wouldn't be such a huge thing if it was a more warm and open places to come out. J. Cole doing that to me.

[C]

You have to wait somebody's deathbed to do it.

[E]

Exactly. Him telling that story makes it easier.

[B]

For all, and it highlights another problem to where we don't like to allow people to grow. It's really that, like, even in the co verse, like, you saying the fact that he said them slurs, they just held it right there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They didn't even see the growth. Like, the second we catch you on.

[A]

It, those points that y' all are making this side of the room said all of those points.

[E]

He tries to divide us a lot.

[B]

He does. I know.

[E]

That's just stay together.

[A]

And the thing about it is Divided States of America.

[E]

The thing about it is. Guys, I need you to know, back in the day, when the evil, rich tyrant was going too hard, you pulled.

[B]

Him up.

[E]

And you decapitated this. Like, first he would. First he would divide us, and we would be fighting over potatoes and. But then everybody's starving, and you lost three of your kids. You get to thinking, the king's robe is covered in diamonds. Let's get this.

[B]

And I can't get a loaf of bread.

[A]

I love how y' all paint, y'. All.

[E]

You pull the tyrant out to the.

[B]

Township square, put on the spike.

[E]

Put on the spike, and you all night. And then the next day, you wake up and realize, we don't know how to run this. We.

[C]

It's the truth.

[A]

Text me before y' all come.

[B]

Load them things up.

[A]

Shout out to jcole. Have fun driving that Civic. Look like, though, that. That part is a little extra. No, it ain't.

[B]

That's perfect.

[A]

That part is actually. You got a better. You could have got a better Civic.

[D]

I said, he got some new speakers.

[B]

Working on it. Might got some 15s in that bit.

[D]

You got the solo barrack in the back. You know what I mean?

[A]

And J. Cole is like, 6, 4, 6, 5.

[D]

He's big for the Civic.

[B]

He did look funny in the Civic.

[A]

That's what I'm saying, yo.

[E]

He looked funny back then. In that moment.

[D]

I'm driving.

[B]

With your knees and shit. I came. I came from here.

[E]

Yeah, that's lit.

[B]

It's nostalgic. I think it's fire.

[A]

I think it's fire, too.

[B]

I think it's fire.

[A]

I'm also six' one, so, I mean.

[B]

I knew he was. You got the baliss. You got your Adidas on.6 foot with.

[E]

A little salt on.

[B]

You got your Adidas on.

[A]

Do you think I'm wearing the shoes to make me be tall?

[E]

The height in this room.

[B]

Hey, yo, you got two fingers. Oh, oh.

[A]

But just look at me, honestly.

[E]

Leave me alone. Leave me alone.

[A]

Maybe we'll be butterflies, honestly, in a shopping bag.

[E]

In another lifetime. Me and this take over. Where you from?

[A]

I know I ain't from.

[B]

East orange.

[E]

In the 80s, boy. Back to back.

[A]

But look at me with the ease.

[E]

This nigga. I say stop tapping him.

[A]

Look at me, look at me. Look at me. Honestly, what the. Yo, what? Ice was supposed to disconnect all this shit and make it so my girl wouldn't see my icloud. And whatever the fuck, whatever Ice did, my girl trumped him. My girl went in there, was like, oh, Ice, put some hot water on ice. My girl was like, do, do, do, do. All right, we back. We back. Stupid ass Ice. Ice used to be nice, man. That's hilarious. Anyway, now it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize picks. All right, the big game is over and prize picks still has not sent to read. Probably still busy counting all that money that they earned. But prize picks is available on your phone in the app store. They get App store, they're giving away money. Money. There's a lot of dope shit that they're doing to incentivize you to fucking download the app and spend some money and come on and play. There you go. That's the Joe button Read. When they don't send the read price picks is really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is select two or more players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big. And since the big game is over and it's NBA all star weekend in, we're giving you college games. That's right. There you go. That's right. So the is college game picks right there.

[B]

Antoine's.

[A]

Antoine's college game picks and only Antoine. Cuz I don't believe he's seen a licky. And I can't pronounce what they do neither. Antoine picks Braden Burries from Arizona for more than five rebounds. Hope you get it, nigga. Melvin Council from Kansas for more than 40 fantasy points. Donovan Atwell from Texas Tech for more than 11 points. Go, Donovan. You would pick some other nigga with a hard ass name? What are you doing? You just be trying to trip me up with who Name is Yaxel Landenborg from Michigan for more than 14 points. Again, if you download prize picks right this very second and use promo code jbp, you get fifty dollars instantly when you play your first five dollar lineup. Only on prize picks where it's good to be, right? All right. It is NBA All Star week and I'm dressed all in this NBA shit because I'm trying to be, you know, in tune with what's happening out there.

[D]

Okay, Just went with the neutral.

[A]

NBA. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

[B]

That's made by NBA.

[A]

This. No, this is Jerry Lorenzo.

[E]

You should have put the jacket on. He dressed like a tourist.

[A]

And this is the, like a billboard. Nbl, NBA.

[E]

Lot of patches.

[A]

That's the Kith All Stars. I had the Balencia jacket, but that was a lot. Man, anyone looked like a mannequin.

[E]

Sprinkle that on.

[A]

Yeah, you know these Balencia. Oh, that. That's my man that make these hats. My man that make these hats. Shout out to him.

[B]

No doubt.

[C]

Every day you count his net worth getting mad at me.

[A]

That's why you don't go out with me no more.

[B]

Cause what?

[A]

Cause I'm rich. Oh, oh.

[C]

It's time for that part of the show.

[A]

Okay, let's mark sign up. That's the only part.

[B]

It's time for Joe Shit to go.

[A]

Out on me no more.

[B]

What says that make? I don't understand.

[A]

I don't know. Is it true?

[B]

You said it. Have you went out with him since he been rich?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

No. No, you haven't. Wait, all right.

[E]

Wow, that's just y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

How many years?

[E]

How long has he been rich? That's the question.

[B]

I haven't gone out with you in 10 years. No.

[A]

And now when we do this, it seem like I'm begging again.

[B]

Look, shut your dumb ass up. I haven't gone out with you in 10 years.

[A]

No, not planned so.

[E]

This ain't old money.

[A]

We bumped into each other in the spot.

[B]

Just be talking.

[C]

Let me ask you, when's last time y' all went out?

[B]

Who put you on the casa?

[A]

O, I can't say, cuz I'll get in trouble.

[B]

You said up here. Who put you on the casa before?

[A]

Was it you? Cuz it wasn't.

[B]

You've said up here that I put you on to Casa.

[A]

What does that have to do with planning? What does that have to do with planning and ghosting with?

[B]

Cuz, the first time you and I went to Casa, I told you I got a new spot. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let me call and see if we can get a table. You told a story up here.

[A]

I don't call it like that.

[B]

I bet you don't. That is literally the story that he told. I know that happened cuz I called him the day before.

[A]

Ice. You can't vouch for him.

[B]

I'm not vouching for him.

[A]

I'm not telling you anyway. You could vouch for him.

[B]

I'm not vouching for him.

[A]

I don't take your vouch for Antoine. Y' all got some weird. Y' all took the friendship somewhere else. Since I disconnected with y', all, Honestly, since I stopped hanging with y', all, y' all have taken it somewhere else in your togetherness.

[B]

Wait, hold on.

[A]

Time out.

[B]

Did you stop hanging with or did he stop hanging with you because you just said he won't go out with you?

[A]

Well, I was only talking about me and him. But if we talking about all of us together, I've disconnected.

[E]

Ice is not melted today, baby.

[A]

Nah, that ice is solid today. That's that good ice. That's Frieza Burger. That's the ice.

[B]

That's a good shot.

[E]

That's that Trey ice that night.

[A]

Am I done doing prize fix? Yo, yo, use promo code. JBP is shorter than Shannon.

[B]

Yo, Shannon got a little swag in his shoes too.

[A]

Yeah, I'm talking, but I'm a big fan. Well, I. Let me mark an ice cook.

[B]

It's cool. I'm a big.

[A]

I'm talking, but I'm a big fan of how Shannon handles his business. I'm a big fan of the producers over there. How they clip up. Yeah, I'm a fan of it.

[C]

They're well oiled machine over there.

[D]

Seriously.

[A]

Honestly. Honestly. I like to see that in the black media space.

[E]

Where do they film normally? Down south.

[A]

They film wherever they feel like it, honestly.

[E]

Okay. Because I know a lot of people were, like, talking about the background from y'. All.

[A]

Well, we was in say Less.

[E]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Which is the only time I'm ever going to say I'm. I'm done with say less since they shot that from the Jets. If they'll. They'll shoot him, they'll shoot me. And if you want to know somebody way more shootable than him. Me. Me. And they shot homeboy at. At the big game the weekend of the big game. I'm not gonna say that other name today say is involved in that, but after argument with a rapper. Shot him right in the ankle.

[B]

Yeah. Got him.

[E]

Call that a leg warmer?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm about to say I'm grateful for that. Even if you just shoot me in my ankle.

[E]

Yeah. Give me a leg shot. I can handle that. Let me tell the story.

[D]

I would like no shots.

[C]

I take no shots.

[B]

And you shoot a. In the ankles. Mad bones down there that a true leg warmer is.

[A]

Yeah, but you could die.

[B]

And I'm an athlete. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me in the cafe muscle.

[A]

Don't shoot me.

[B]

Don't shoot me.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What body part?

[B]

My arm and my waist.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That story was crazy.

[E]

You guys. How you're growing. I'm not going to say nothing.

[A]

In another.

[B]

In another lifetime.

[A]

If y' all keep it up, I'mma queue it up. In another lifetime. Mona, I'm telling you. Shopping bag. In the. In the. In the. Know any type of bag. Plastic, paper bag. One of them. One of them. J. Easy money, too. I'm telling you, this idiot.

[C]

Wait a minute.

[E]

Is the easy money. Hold the up. Wait a minute. Do the easy money. Me or him?

[A]

Him.

[E]

Okay, him.

[A]

Oh, my God. Anyway, All Star Weekend.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Nick Wright has some thoughts on what would fix All Star Weekend. You know, this weekend they're doing a different format. They're doing the international players, the OGs, the YGs, if I'm taking Kevin Durant's word for it. But Nick Wright suggested that you just make all this shit black versus white.

[D]

Oh, shit.

[A]

He literally said that.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

I like Nick Wright, so I'm not gonna kill him.

[C]

I love Nick Wright.

[A]

And it confirms what I think about what some white. White people think when they all alone, like, of what would fix everything?

[B]

Segregation.

[A]

I'm surprised. Nick Wright. Yeah, I'm surprised Nick Wright is all right, especially since he got his little hair transplant. Like, I'm not mad at him, but for him to boldly say it, he must know we with him.

[C]

And he loved black people. He's married to a black woman.

[A]

I'm just saying he might be on the black side. That's what I think.

[C]

I think he's saying it so he can watch the destruction.

[B]

That's what I was thinking.

[C]

The destruction. I think we. Oh, yes.

[E]

We're gonna kick ass.

[C]

The blacks are gonna win.

[E]

I'm talking about a long shot.

[D]

We're talking about basketball, right?

[E]

Yeah, basketball. We ain't talking about no hockey.

[C]

Not the economy.

[A]

Parks about to say that.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Parks is on my side.

[A]

Wait, wait.

[D]

I think the whites are getting destroyed. In basketball.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In basketball.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And you had to make sure. We was talking about. It's only basketball.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We are talking sports, right? Only basketball.

[B]

Y' all good in that.

[A]

Specifically basketball. Basketball park is like. You want to know the truth?

[B]

That's hilarious.

[E]

Isn'T it? What is that? The bow and arrow thing? Isn't that like archery? Yeah, archery. That's what I'm saying. Maybe that y' all were winning.

[C]

Hey, hockey.

[A]

They would win it in archery.

[B]

Archery.

[A]

That's how they won.

[B]

They've been shooting for a long time.

[A]

That's how they won. Archery. Yeah. We ain't know what that was. Ignorance.

[B]

Then. Then the Gatling gun came out.

[A]

It was bye bye night night. Bye bye.

[E]

Archery is how the neighborhood.

[B]

It was a rap for death, yo.

[A]

Yeah. It was nothing Kingdom Fox could do.

[C]

But y', all, do we all agree that the blacks would win?

[A]

Yes. In basketball? Yes.

[B]

I think the blacks will win. I. I also agree with what he's saying. Just because that will make. I think that will make both sides play their best game.

[A]

Why do y' all think that would make white people. Why do y' all think that would make the whites play the best game?

[B]

Because I think they would want to win.

[C]

We got something to prove, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Yeah. Why?

[E]

I don't know.

[C]

You don't think so?

[E]

Cuz they sick of our.

[C]

Not these whites. There's some whites who would get excited to defend white people.

[A]

We lost.

[C]

I don't love this NBA. We lost the little hoop game.

[B]

We won everything else.

[A]

Losing sleep over this one.

[B]

And I think the other side of y' all gonna make sure y' all don't lose to them. So y' all gonna play y' all ass.

[A]

Who they gonna have? Gordon Hayward.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Who they got on their side?

[C]

The white front five wouldn't be bad.

[B]

I just think the white star is amazing.

[C]

The black.

[A]

Wait, I'm talking about natural whites. Don't start adding exotic whites like Joe the white.

[B]

What they going to be on the black side?

[E]

They spicy whites.

[A]

No, no spicy whites.

[E]

Spicy whites.

[B]

So they going to be on the black side?

[A]

No, they not going to be on no side. This is natural whites versus natural black.

[C]

If you from the caucus's mountains, you do natural.

[B]

I was just about to say. You talking about the actual. Actual car.

[E]

Water spicy whites. They appear white, but they have a thick accent or speak another language. They a little more cultured. They not like our whites. They're spicy whites. They're different.

[B]

Who said they're a little more cultured?

[E]

They are a little more culture. In my opinion.

[A]

Park should speak Spanish.

[E]

America wants.

[A]

My girl saying something. I was. I caught half of it, which I don't be listening. But she was like, oh, yeah, talking about the bad bunny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we ain't even got no language. Don't you know most of America speaks Asian and Spanish? And I was like, is that true?

[C]

A lot of Spanish speakers in Asian.

[B]

It's a lot of Spanish speakers.

[C]

It's 45 million. 45 to 50 million people speak as the first language in a. In their house. And then when you add the people who learned it in school and like that, you might be close to 7,500 million people.

[A]

Yeah, my son.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I'm not getting him on Monday. I just thought about I'm not picking.

[B]

Him up and I mean no school. So you're gonna be hungry.

[A]

My son is on the Roblox while I'm in another room doing me talking about something sudden. Say he get mad, he losing. They be killing him in the row. He ain't good. He's not good at it.

[B]

But they got them in there, though. They do have them in there.

[A]

No, they got them.

[B]

So he might be playing.

[A]

So he's in there playing the games and he's losing. He's like, son of a bujito. Son of a bujito. So I said, hey, man.

[C]

I said, hey.

[A]

What you saying? He said, nothing, man. I'm like, all right, I cool. I left it alone. And then I noticed every time he lost, he kept saying son of a bojito. Son of a. I said, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Enough, enough, enough now. Wrong, cuz. I don't know what you're saying, but I know it ain't right.

[B]

You're not supposed to say that.

[A]

Don't say that around me. If your mother let you say that. Son of a poito.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Poito is just a chicky.

[A]

Like a little chicky Son of a chicky.

[B]

Joe, like a.

[E]

We say son of a. So is it son of a B. Is that what he say?

[A]

A 8 year old shouldn't say son of a nothing.

[B]

That is true too.

[A]

Agree.

[E]

After you had a grueling game, if.

[C]

He'S screaming, puta, you got a problem.

[B]

But that might be what he's saying. And Joe just it up.

[C]

If he said, puta, you got a problem. My son plays the pojitos like pojitos are fine.

[E]

Do y' all really care if your kids curse? Do you really care?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

In what?

[E]

In what form?

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Wait a minute. Let me give. Listen, listen. Hear the pitch.

[A]

Wait. Which son.

[D]

Which words can't they use?

[E]

Listen, this is what I'm asking y' all. Okay, let's say 10 in his room playing a game. Y' all know how rough it gets on PlayStation. You hear him, you ass. Suck my dick. Because he said, whatever.

[B]

That's not flying.

[C]

Oh, that's a lie.

[E]

Here's the thing. So you hear him on. He's with his friends and they talking. They outside. You hear on the ring camera, something, something. Oh, she's a. Is that a problem? Talking to his friends so they can't curse at all?

[A]

No, no.

[C]

Like, I don't. I don't freak out about curses. You know, my kids growing up, like, I don't. I'm not like the language police, but it's about like, respect and like decoration for them. It's not like I'm not like religious about words. It's more just like. There certain things you shouldn't be saying at that age.

[B]

You went that far? M. They can't say what the heck.

[E]

Damn.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Can they say.

[B]

Cuz I couldn't say it like that.

[E]

I hate that.

[A]

I'm not a fan of that, but.

[E]

I hate that I'm with you.

[A]

I don't like that.

[E]

That, like, that is such a different.

[A]

Hell.

[B]

It's your birthday. I apologize.

[E]

Happy birthday. Get a word.

[A]

Honestly, the day I was born, it should let you talk.

[E]

Whoa, shut up.

[C]

Not much, though.

[A]

Hey, Biggie.

[E]

No, no. I got caught cursing on a bus trip or something. I was young, I was like 8. And my mother was like, you know, I got in trouble and I remember being really afraid and her whole thing was like, don't let adults hear you cursing. It wasn't like a. You can't curse. Like, she was, you know, more. My mother's always been kind of more realistic. Right. My thing with me and Joe, I think we were saying we hate is when you say they can't say what the heck, Because.

[B]

Not because. But I'm just saying I've adopted that though certain. It's respecting. Like, what the heck? Sounds too close. Like, what the hell? What the fuck? And no, y' all not saying that either. Y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

How y' all talk amongst yourselves is fine, but don't let.

[A]

Yeah, don't let.

[B]

Don't let none of us hear y' all saying that, especially in front of adults. We couldn't even say, like, I don't curse in front of my mom.

[E]

Like, I was gonna ask y' all that today. I was gonna ask y' all the next, but I feel like, like, when. Remember the things that our parents said that made no sense. It was kind of like this weird. Respect. I'm black. Respect me. And it didn't really make any sense. For example, I could never say anything where an adult was being dishonest. So if I said, oh, well, that didn't happen. Uncle Bobby said, oh, no, he didn't. You calling me a liar? It was like a big thing. I remember that's dead now.

[B]

Yeah, you can't say. You can't call an adult a liar.

[C]

We can say the word lie. We say telling a story.

[E]

Telling a story now.

[C]

Same thing that, for example, say she either.

[E]

That's so. You could not. That's some Philly.

[C]

Is that some Philly?

[E]

That's some Philly.

[B]

Say what?

[E]

We couldn't.

[C]

If I told my dad, like, yo, she said I couldn't go outside. Don't call me she.

[E]

Right? My grandmother would say, she is a cat. She is a dog. I am your grandmother. Like, I had to refer to her as. I think that was Philly. But what I'm trying to spit out is that when they told us stupid, it didn't make sense. Like. Like right now, the kids have no idea about. We couldn't say liar. But back then, they have no idea about that. You know what I mean? Because a lot of that, your kids can't say lies.

[B]

Telling a story.

[E]

It's 19 at the school telling the.

[C]

Teacher, he be singing Sam Cooke right now.

[E]

What I'm trying to spit out is like, that shit from back in the day didn't make any sense. I definitely am not saying that. What the heck for you. But a lot of that, when I see parents do that, it's only for, like, repetition almost. Some of them, like, I got beat with a switch. That's why I beat them with a switch. Even though that's played the fuck out. You know what I mean? A lot of the things we adapt is it, for example, beating kids with weapons, that come from slavery. So when we learned a lot more, we started doing on top of the fact that beating kids with weapons is exactly what it is. You go get the switch. That's a weapon with extension cord. Beating with a phone.

[C]

Absolutely.

[E]

I got your asses whooped. I never even got a beating.

[A]

You never got a beaten.

[E]

Not one in your life. On God, I've never got a beating. My mom punched me on the top of my head. She like that. And I got taller. A beating like, you pull your pants down, beat you on the back or smacked on my butt or my legs. I never got dead.

[B]

You ain't got a spanking. And that's why you've been to the Fed.

[E]

So what the do y' all call the Beatles.

[A]

A few times.

[B]

You see that, right?

[A]

You see that?

[B]

You see it, though?

[A]

You see.

[B]

Hey, you see the pattern?

[E]

You see it?

[A]

One could make a case.

[E]

Y'. All. Y' all don't think physical is played out to physical.

[B]

I don't play. We don't do physical.

[E]

Yeah, like beating the personality out.

[B]

Can't.

[E]

That's what I call it. Sometimes your kid have his little spunk. People go out their way to beat that spunk out of them. How do you shape them for the world? You know what I mean? You see a 12 year old, a sn. A flinch a little bit, it's like. It's not a good thing to do to a kid.

[B]

Nah, we're not with none of that.

[C]

You gotta find other ways. I get front. I was on the phone Jew yesterday, and my son was like, I'll just let you go, man.

[A]

You going through it over there?

[C]

Cause my son, he was spazzing about getting out the car, and it's just regular toddler shit, right? But, like, it tests your patience. And beating them sometimes is the easy way.

[B]

That's. Yeah, beating them is a sign of. You just can't. You can't handle them. You can't do that and not say.

[E]

Nothing on my birthday. I want y'.

[A]

All. Mona, why you rad on us, too? I was watching your show.

[E]

What? Oh, about the likes.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

You know how.

[A]

Why you rad on us?

[B]

What you did. Hold on.

[A]

Tell them what you did.

[E]

D. Ass was floating in the likes. That's how I knew you was gonna say this.

[A]

Tell them.

[E]

I cracked a joke here and on stage a couple times. Catch me in Philadelphia on Saturday about how y' all be floating in them likes. So when I was talking about.

[B]

She talking about y' all not ratting on us.

[E]

Y' all exactly.

[A]

The only cleanup in our majority. That wasn't the joke. Majorly the joke.

[E]

The person that I see floating likes the most mo. What it would be. You know what I mean? Like, I see a lot of people, a lot floating in the likes. You know what I mean?

[D]

Majority majorly.

[C]

It's a birthday. It's a birthday dog.

[E]

Majorly. I made it up. What's up?

[D]

We know.

[A]

Oh, you talking about me the most.

[E]

I do crack the joke.

[A]

I don't do it anymore because I'm.

[E]

Changing my podcast where I see some of them floating the likes. I did say that.

[C]

What do that mean?

[A]

No, but she was saying in the likes. Of women that don't hold a candle to the person that you with.

[E]

Oh, that part.

[B]

The ones you're supposed to like.

[E]

Exactly. Just like when we said compare people said they jerk off to their girlfriend. Girlfriends.

[C]

We all do.

[B]

We do that.

[C]

We all do that.

[A]

Oh, no, that's a fact.

[C]

That's a fact.

[A]

That is a fact. Big fact.

[E]

And you also jerk off.

[D]

I don't have a girlfriend.

[A]

Oh, no. I jerk off.

[E]

Though. I said hand wives from the girls. No, it's.

[A]

I jerk off to my girl only. And that short little Dominican girl that go with the Spanish nigga that do the horrible camera camera angles when he holding the phone to her just walking around naked.

[E]

How did we get here?

[A]

It's only two and she gaining a little bit of weight. My girl told me. Hating. Yeah, it's just them that might make.

[E]

You like her more.

[A]

You hear me? The big demon. But I don't say that. That's a fact. Yeah, my girl trying to get to that 180 so bad too.

[E]

Something to do. Something to do something. Flat stomach vibe, Big ass like that. Weight in the ass. In the titties, you mean. I heard you. I know what Joe like he be. I see my boy every time I.

[B]

Catch y. I was his model. I don't have that model.

[E]

What's his model?

[B]

I don't have a model.

[A]

It's still too something to do something feet different.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Yo, all is. You got way 80 to lay me.

[C]

Yeah, 80.

[A]

No, 80 pounds. 80 pounds. You know what? I'm tiny. 80 pounds.

[E]

The smaller girls take a lot of dick.

[A]

Oh, I take it back though.

[E]

They do. Them small girls take the big girls can't take the smaller girls. They take a good dicking deep. Them smaller girls.

[B]

I never understood that about men. Right.

[A]

Like that. What you just said was the same growing up. So if the big girls can't take a dick.

[E]

Right.

[A]

And the thin girls can't.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Then that's two different experiences. Right? So if I fuck with the thin girl that could take a dick, like she just up there on some gopro. She ain't even. But the big girls come like, that's the reaction I want when I insert. I want the long. I want all that. If the thin girl is just up there like, oh, daddy, it's time. No, bitch, I'm sorry. Get off me.

[E]

I always thought about it like my male friends, like, that's not fun. Like if you're well endowed or whatever. And this is hooping, hollering, you can't do your thing At a certain extent it's not enjoyable for the guy.

[A]

Like which side you fall on. You think?

[E]

What me? What do you me? I've been a big my whole life. I can't take no dick. I'm honest.

[A]

Watching for the. Watch out for the big girl.

[E]

But this the thing about me too.

[A]

Just tell you a little bit about business.

[E]

It's my birthday. I prefer small the dicks. And I'm still doing all the theatrics. Gasp. All that grabbing me by your pelvic, pushing it. Oh my God. I can't take it. I can't take it. I can't even feel it.

[A]

Okay, yeah, I need a. I need a. With some theatrics. Perform live. I'm totally bro.

[E]

One time I faked it so much. I remember my was like it's not even in. Like, come on, shut up.

[A]

Like, honestly, it's my thumb. Like.

[E]

Yeah, that's exactly how I get it.

[A]

Hold up though.

[B]

That might get that might. That might get mistake. Might get that.

[E]

They talk about his thumbs.

[B]

Yes, you do.

[E]

I didn't know that. I always wanted to talk about his thumbs. I didn't know that was. I thought it was off limits. Cuz sometimes when I looked at him, he tucked them in. So I just assumed that that was off limits. Oh my God, his thumbs are so peculiar. I found myself staring at him alive.

[A]

Oh my God.

[E]

Cuz, I look up to this like, you gotta find something to hate on him about. When I leave, I'm like this ass nigga, dumb ass thumbs.

[B]

It's only one.

[A]

It's one thumb.

[E]

That one thumb so up, I think. His thumb? Yeah, his thumb up.

[B]

It's a threesome.

[E]

Yeah, he do like a thumb walk, you know what I mean? Thumb foundation. He could be with them. What happened to the thumb? He got smashed in the door.

[B]

He slipping pull out couch.

[E]

Okay, back in the day, but you was close.

[C]

How old were you?

[A]

4.

[E]

Dang, he's a baby.

[A]

Many, many, many, many years ago. Yeah, I had to be 3 or 4 cuz I wasn't taller than the couch. I was next to the couch. My dad was putting the bed back into the couch. I screamed out daddy. He didn't see me. And I put my thumb up to try to climb up and he folded it in and my thumb fell off. And that was the summer that my mom had sent me down south to be with my dad. That caught this nigga, sent that boy home.

[C]

One way to get rid of the kid.

[B]

Joey.

[E]

The thumb got detached.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

And they had to Put it back on.

[A]

They put it back. This little line right here, this little line right here is them sewing half my thumb back on. I still have all the feeling, all sensation, but it looks like this.

[E]

So when you tell this story, I'm assuming it's because they told you that story. But just as a mom, the real.

[A]

Story, I remember it.

[E]

I told you to stop touching that couch. Now I'mma let your black ass climb on there to teach you a lesson. I just didn't know it was going to snap your thumb up.

[A]

No, my mom wasn't there.

[E]

Right.

[A]

I know dads don't be dads in the 80s like when crack dropped. I thank God every day that my thumb is the only thing I know. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm like, oh, thank God. Could have went worse than that.

[E]

Joe did they. Did your dad put in his pocket and y' all went to the hospital with it?

[A]

We went to the hospital with it. Wow. Picked it up, took it to the hospital and thank God.

[E]

Yeah, thank God. Imagine Joe, without no time.

[A]

Y' all think I'd be sticking my thumb in?

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Yeah, I was soon.

[A]

No bowling ball. I don't do that.

[E]

You know the bowling ball.

[A]

You know, this a family ch.

[E]

Know the bowling ball.

[B]

Making a multiple.

[E]

I said bowling ball per week. Like the.

[F]

Like.

[A]

We are disgusting. I'm growing up.

[B]

We going grow up next spot. I promise.

[A]

Tell me next year. What else is important? Want to do music?

[E]

Oh.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Go ahead.

[C]

Just real quick announcement. Chris Paul just announced his retirement like a few minutes ago.

[B]

We knew that.

[A]

No, he just.

[C]

He just announced it five minutes ago.

[D]

Congrats again.

[E]

Congrats.

[B]

Didn't we come in here?

[A]

I thought we did this already.

[B]

I swear. We came in here at the beginning of the season and said shouting him out for his retirement.

[C]

No, he just got cut.

[B]

Just got.

[C]

He's got traded to the RIP Raptors last week.

[B]

Toronto.

[A]

Is that where he is?

[B]

In Toronto?

[A]

I had no idea.

[C]

They traded for him last week and then just cut him again. So now Chris Paul.

[A]

I don't care no more.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Yeah, we. We gave you your congratulations. I. I felt like I did this before.

[D]

I thought we did.

[B]

Cuz they announced this was going to be his last season and then they cut it short and we was like. It was up. What happened when they told him, you.

[A]

Know, it's Black History Month. We can't do that to Chris Paul.

[B]

Exactly. He can't. Yeah, he can't.

[G]

He can't do that.

[A]

Chris Paul Congratulations. Thank you for your service. One of the best pure points guards of all time. Like, what can we do? You better got that out the way before LeBron woke up and decided to.

[C]

You know, I mean, busy yesterday. Triple double. Oldest triple double in NBA history.

[A]

He'll be the oldest everything in.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

What are we doing for Black History Month at this podcast? We should be discussing a black legend leader. Every podcast in a black loser. To make it fair.

[A]

That's fair.

[C]

This is, by the way, the 100th anniversary.

[E]

We already got Scarface Barilla now we needed a black winner.

[C]

We're black winners, I guess.

[E]

Happy Black history month.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

100Th anniversary of Black History Month.

[E]

It's the 100 anniversary. We need a longer month.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

That's a legendary. Cool. Who said it? Y' all don't know. She's from Jersey. Whitney Houston. Wake up.

[A]

Rest in peace. Whitney Houston.

[E]

She died this month too, if I'm not mistaken. She passed in February.

[A]

Yeah, February 11th.

[E]

Around my birthday. It's such a sad thing, man.

[B]

The best.

[E]

Like, who would have thought she passed away. Her daughter passed the same way right after that stuff. Like, what is that? You know what I mean? Some stuff is too quinky dinky. It makes you think some other shit.

[A]

Y' all want to talk about new music?

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah, we could do that.

[C]

Well, first of all, girl, Jill Scott just dropped a new album.

[D]

She sure did.

[E]

It's nice, too.

[C]

It's fire.

[D]

I love too Ms. Making concern.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

To whom this may concern. Very eclectic. A lot of different vibes on here.

[C]

I love the album cover, by the way. We start with that. The album art, I thought was actually amazing.

[A]

Yeah, I look like the COVID for in this thing together. That's why.

[C]

Which you can get on Patreon.

[A]

Check it out. Shut up. The Jill Scott joint. The Jid record is my favorite record on there.

[D]

Love that record. Record. I love the Tierrac record.

[A]

Oh, that record is crazy. That record is crazy too. I'm about to say. This album is like a jazz slash, spoken word slash. This album is a lot of things. None of them, I think is really R B.

[D]

There's a blues record on there.

[E]

Jill really wanted the rap. I opened up for Jill. I met Jill like. Like in real life. Probably 2023.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And she was working on a song then where that she wanted Tiara on. She was even thinking about having me feature because I had did the. That Cypher thing, but I'm not a rapper. She was talking about Uzi, but I got out of her then that she wanted to rap. Like, she just had, like, a feeling for it. So I'm not surprised that it's different than. Yeah, I'm proud of her that she.

[D]

Made it happen and she rapped well.

[E]

Yeah, she's real time. I don't think there's nothing she can't do. Also, seeing her live, I never knew her live show was dead, like, good like that.

[D]

Oh, yeah, she goes crazy.

[B]

God, she goes crazy.

[C]

Before you got here, we said, we gonna see her, we gonna go see tomorrow night.

[A]

Oh, well, some of us. Us, hopefully. Hopefully.

[E]

Jill's performances are crazy.

[A]

This record is called, to be honest, Jill Scott. Jid.

[E]

I really would like to hold you Won't you please let me in? I really would like to know you Let me be your friend I really would like like to hold you hey, won't you please let me in? I really would like to know you Let me be your friend.

[A]

I definitely need to hear JIT on this. Let me speed up Let me speed up Speed up.

[E]

I met you in the breeze When a hummingbird sings in the summer through.

[A]

The mumbles of the birds and the.

[E]

Bees and a bountiful blossom of beautiful flowers and trees, I could spend hours at ease, showered and powdered upon this powerful napkin and hand to prepare for its needs. Parables, passages packed for the reading Hoping you see I'm not Not what you need not when I enter the room May I please? Shedding space and energy don't waste no.

[B]

Memories no wine no waste no anything.

[E]

Online don't chase no symmetry like science I feel chemistry so I'm praying to a higher entity.

[A]

Shout out to Jid, man, that record is hard. Shout out to Jill Scott. She's supposed to pay us a visit soon. Can't wait, but real good album, man. Shout out to Jill, friend of the show. We love her. Congratulations. And hopefully you can give me a table at the Blue Note tomorrow, God willing.

[E]

Jill's the shit.

[C]

She's the best.

[E]

Love, Jill. Love you, Jill.

[D]

Love you, Jill.

[C]

Since we talk in Philly real quick, Fine Wine and Steak just came out, a new single from Young Chris. He killed it, as always. Shout out to him.

[E]

Okay, Chris, another one. Don't fall off.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Chris bodied his verse on There's a Ransom Nick Craven and Boldy James project that came out that Chris got a verse on. He bodied as well.

[C]

Chris always get busy to me.

[A]

Yeah, he does.

[E]

He's 16 straight through. It never got corny. I don't know, you know.

[A]

New Victoria Monet. This record is called Let Me.

[E]

Letting pride decide for you but you're still just like glass I can see where you need some shining but you're scared to break if you let me. Be all right or die Let me love you back to life and let me give you peace of mind.

[A]

This record somehow reminds me of a Mariah the Scientist record.

[C]

Okay, yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna skip up to the end where she let the music vibe. Yeah. Like a stripped down, airy vocals, two minutes of an alternate kind of version at the end. Shout out to Mariah the Scientist man. And Victoria Monet's records are. We got brand new at Alex Isley. This record is called Sweet Lullaby. This is fire.

[E]

So let me down there what I feeling no sight of you with us we're not in love, we're in between Then if you're gonna love me I need one melody Kiss me like a fantasy I know what it has to be if you really have tonight Sing the song of you tonight make it the sweetest love.

[A]

Alex Isley's album Witnesses City Sleeps is coming, I want to say next month.

[C]

March 20th, I think.

[A]

Yeah, next month. I can't wait. Shout out to Alex Isley, friend in my contacts. Absolutely love her. This next record is Baby Rose. Shout out to Baby Rose, friend of the show, featuring Leon Thomas, who's on an absolute tear. Absolute tear. This record is called Friends Again.

[E]

Can't you be betrayed? Here I am wanting more but in my mind I'm not so sure. Larry, open up the door. I got the fight with the rain With a matching kerosene.

[A]

Let it all.

[E]

The flame why do I feel this way?

[A]

Thomas killed this.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

You've always come back the same. Available in your phone and on DSPS right now. Shout out to Baby Rose. Her entire team appreciate you. Last but certainly not least for me is a gentleman by the name of Isaiah Haran. Okay, I've played him up here before. He's a new act. Everything that I've heard has been nothing but heat. He's a big fan of this podcast and mood music that is I S A I A H U R O n. You like to hear it. This record is called W W T A and it's crazy.

[E]

I need to find a space to go and cool down. But I gotta move fast cause you'll stress me out every chance you get to tell me that you feel left out I'm feeling like I can't go nowhere with without you now Cuz you can't help but believe all your own doubt you don't got TR Everything got. I think. I think we won't do it all too fast Cuz only one of us can do it Love like that Cuz only one of us is way too.

[A]

Again, this is Isaiah Haran. That record is called WTA.

[D]

That's hard.

[A]

Way too attached applies to a lot of y' all out there. So pick it up in the itunes store right this very second. Shout out to Isaiah Haran. Also, Brent. Brent dropped.

[C]

He did.

[A]

I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, so I don't have a review. And I'm still mad at y' all for the way y' all spoke about me after my one listen. J. Cole review. So suck my dick. No more. No more one listen reviews from me. If y' all have heard it, feel free. Have at.

[D]

I listened to it one time. It sounded good. He sounded more in Keith to. To your criticism of him in the past. Production's really good. Let me see if I got a. A stand.

[A]

Yeah, Drop a jam on it.

[D]

His song songwriting is really good. Good, man.

[A]

All right.

[B]

And the album is called Icon Found.

[D]

Chad Hugo for this one. This is World is yours.

[E]

It's whatever you think it's. This makes you feel inspired. I won't get wilder. You can believe in me, girl. Let it out. Let it out. He won't look at me. There. Oh, yeah. It's whatever I can.

[D]

As World is yours. Brett F. I like the album.

[C]

His voice does sound much better.

[D]

It s. It sounds cleaner than it. Than it has in the past.

[E]

I don't.

[A]

Cory, we can hear you.

[E]

They don't like them. I don't get it from this couch. What? What is it? Y' all Energy on my breath of us. What is it?

[B]

I'm not the R B guy, so I. I don't know.

[E]

I'm not an R B person either. Brent told it over my head. I discovered him literally in the, like, last. In the last year. I love him. I think he's good.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

I think he's great.

[A]

Brent. I'm okay with his homeboy, Tommy Richmond. I'm not. I'm cool. But shout out to him. Fair. No, I'm done.

[B]

Also, in new music, all you Nipsey Hussle fans out there, we will be getting a posthumous Nip album there.

[D]

Who now?

[A]

Can't hear you.

[B]

Nipsey Hussle album, and what was the word? The album is coming out this summer. It's called Reckless.

[A]

You can't say it, can you?

[B]

That's not the album.

[A]

You said a possum.

[B]

I think he.

[E]

Said the word when you put the album out.

[A]

I don't know what he.

[B]

Posthumous.

[D]

It's a tricky one.

[C]

Posthumous.

[D]

Posthumous.

[E]

He said it like how he said, and I got it.

[B]

Go ahead, brother.

[E]

Listen. I got it.

[B]

Listen to the noise.

[D]

Optometrist.

[B]

Why are we gonna hear the noise?

[A]

The noise? Correcting him is the noise.

[B]

I'm talking to my sister right here.

[A]

I love content creators.

[E]

We don't like R and B. Yeah.

[B]

We don't like R and B.

[E]

It is what it is.

[C]

You don't like R and B?

[E]

I'm not a big R B fan. I do have appreciation.

[C]

You should have been like a Mary Blige, Keisha Cole type of girl.

[E]

Don't. I would. Real life came out was like 8. Had the. I had the album. I knew all the songs. I know every outfit. But it's like, first, I'm just a rap girl. First, R&B, It's a gift. Like, oh, come home. I don't like that shit.

[D]

So who's dropping an album with Nip?

[B]

Freeze Vinyl Ride. I was dropping an album with Nip, the first record. It might be out today. I was trying to find it on dsp. Okay, but first record is called.

[A]

Excuse me.

[B]

First record is called Restless.

[A]

They sent it to me and you.

[B]

Yeah, but I don't have it yet.

[A]

You ain't get the text this morning?

[B]

I got the song.

[A]

They said, make sure Joe and Ice said our names.

[E]

Did it say, say Ice and Joe?

[A]

Oh, I don't know. It could have. I mean, there's no ego with me when it comes to friendship. Ego when it comes to friendship. It's no ego with me.

[B]

I think it's confusing. But anyway, anyway, anyway, like I said, the song should be out. It's called Reckless.

[A]

And he don't know. Cause we got.

[B]

Said the song is coming out. I just don't know at the time it's recorded.

[A]

We got it.

[B]

I play it.

[A]

Me and you got it.

[B]

Yeah, I got.

[E]

Can we hear it?

[B]

Fellas, I don't have a court.

[D]

Let me see. Let me see if it's out. See if I can find it here.

[E]

Nipy.

[A]

Word. I miss Nipy, too. I miss Nip. I don't.

[B]

I just think about where he be career wise all day right now.

[E]

Crazy.

[A]

Oh, if it's not out, then we'll wait. We'll play it when it's coming out. Cuz we. Me and Ice got it.

[B]

Y keep telling it.

[E]

So does he. His fan base that they. They come out like that for stuff to like this. He's going to do well. Like most likely.

[B]

I. I believe so.

[A]

I imagine so. Yeah. I imagine so.

[B]

I do.

[E]

And I feel like his people do a good job of keeping his name around Black Sam and them.

[B]

Absolutely.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to Sam.

[E]

Shout out to Black Sam. Man. Feel like a bag.

[A]

I want to come over there and get a burger, but I. I don't want to fight.

[E]

Stop. Joe. Why? Cuz they put that out. That was talking crazy.

[A]

Yeah, they got, they got.

[B]

That's a hell of a. That's a hell of a promo.

[A]

I want to just get a burger.

[B]

I'm going to when I get that. That's. That's one of the stops for sure.

[A]

Nobody going to fight you. Y ain't no points on fighting you.

[B]

Nope. Sure not.

[E]

The fighting you had.

[B]

No, no.

[E]

It wasn't even a fight, y'.

[A]

All.

[E]

It wasn't a fight. He just. And I. I respected removing him. Don't come here for the grand opening.

[A]

You talk heavy, you get a bun with some lettuce.

[B]

I can get a burger double.

[A]

I'm about to say it better that be no double by the time it take to flip that other one. Hey on ice ass. Hey, on ice ass. You better not with a curly fry.

[B]

I know that.

[A]

You better take a shake.

[B]

And I want a shake and a.

[A]

Shake and a shake. Oh, he killing a picture too, y'.

[E]

All.

[A]

Felt like so not a man the other day ordering a burger and fries without a shake.

[B]

Cause I'm gotta get the shake, bruh.

[A]

I'm on my diet. Oh yeah, yeah, you can.

[D]

You have room.

[E]

Speaking of diet, I said, did y' all see that? Did you see that riveting footage with my boy in the the gym? And the thing about me is those last. I work out, I try to go to the gym. Not doing well. Sometimes I go there, take a picture and leave. Damn. But I went, you know, so small steps. But it's like one thing I envy is people that make them gym noises and it sound like they really on some. You know what I mean? Cuz some gyms you can't even make noises. But them gym gr. When they right. Joe Button has an impressive gym.

[A]

I'm moan. I'm a moaner.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

If the is hidden, can't help it.

[E]

They was talking about you though. Can I say it?

[A]

Oh, no, go ahead.

[E]

Okay. So they was like, why the would you put resistance bands on a machine that already has resistance, dummy? Cuz he had bands on the joint that already has the settings.

[C]

At the top.

[A]

I asked the same thing to my trainer. Is you doing, man? It's fine.

[B]

Look, you already got this.

[A]

We don't need to do this.

[E]

It makes it harder, right?

[A]

It was definitely harder. Yeah, but I seen all the messages criticizing my form and the band. It's like there's levels to like fitness, right? Like it ain't enough to get out of bed. Talk yourself into going, that ain't enough. Like the demons. Fitness about being like, oh, look, you're doing that wrong. You're doing it all wrong. You're not working out the vertical muscles that you need to suck at dick. I got out of bed and I'm in this period.

[C]

I'd love to see some of these people telling you your form is. I mean, the form wasn't the best, but the bands made sense. But like you, you, we out here like we work.

[B]

So what? The form was terrible.

[C]

He did the same to Mark Cuban. They, they was criticized. He's 60 fucking 7. Curling weight in the gym. And they're like, but I'm confused with the dog.

[A]

I'm in there with tendonitis in my elbow. No, my form ain't right.

[E]

Excuse.

[B]

I could be home, sleep.

[E]

Listen, what is. You said the form could be better. What the better could it be if you just pull and he could sit up straighter?

[A]

No, you're supposed to keep your chest to the thing of a jig so that you only are working the arms. I was moving back cuz the band plus almost maxing the thing out. It was heavy. The training was extra. He be freestyling while we in in there slaving. He'd be like, all right, oh, let me see what else we can do. So I'm not mad at him. He's affordable.

[D]

That's it for.

[B]

Hey, are you seeing results?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You see, that's what I'm saying.

[E]

We got room for two more on here. I think your ice. Did you work out with Shady?

[C]

No, it wasn't. He even tells stories.

[E]

I know you.

[C]

He does a topic at the time of the show from Philly.

[E]

He can't help it. He from north with the F.

[C]

You look good.

[A]

This Gidi, this Gidi Geechee Gotti topic is important to me. I don't know if it's important to y'.

[D]

All. I don't know the full details.

[C]

What happen?

[A]

Geechy Gotti is a world famous battle rapper. One of the better battle rappers.

[B]

Friends of the show. He's been up here.

[A]

Friend of the show. He's been up here, he's been A battle rap champion as recently as a few years years ago. Limitless potential. Most people recognize him as one of the best.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So it was much to my surprise, a lot of people's surprise, when police in West Chester, Ohio. Right. Not Westchester. I'm from New York, two words. Westchester, Ohio, pulled over a car. The car had a few people in it. Yeah, yeah, four people. The car, when the cop came up, peeled off, made it about one exit before everyone decided to get out and run.

[B]

Well, what it sounded like in the. In the body cam footage says something like they hit a strip. So I think they. They had this planned out. Cause he said he hit a. They hit a strip. Which would explain why they. The car. Why they bail.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why they ended up having to bail.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, still.

[C]

But still.

[A]

So they ran the police caught them pretty instantly.

[B]

Yeah, right away.

[A]

Didn't shoot, didn't fire any shots, no taser. So everyone is arrested and the battle rap community has just been absolutely on fire. Geechy Gotti got caught with 816 OxyContin pills, 100, 150 tablets of 60 milligram morphine sulfates, 1083 tablets of hydrocodone, Vicodin, 702 tablets of Percocet.

[E]

Dang, yo, he's in trouble.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

And. And he was on probation, I want to say.

[B]

And even when. So back to the body cam footage. When they caught one of the dudes, he asked him, yo, why you arrested me? And he said, because your name is such and such and you've been robbing pharmacies in the area. So it's like you can hear like they've been. They've watched. This is like this thing. It's a sting, basically. Because they also said that one of the dudes, they. They've been watching him from the minute he landed in Cincinnati airport. So they. They kind of let this play out and to catch y'.

[A]

All.

[E]

So for. For now, the bulk of the pharmacies are all in Ohio. They're not outside the state of Ohio.

[B]

I don't even know how many pharmacies. But what I'm assuming from just from off body cam footage and what the cop was saying is it's Ohio.

[E]

Where's Geechee from?

[B]

Compton? La.

[E]

Oh, yeah, they in trouble, bro. Them in trouble.

[A]

Think bail is set at 900,000.

[E]

Yeah, they in trouble. That's federal. That's going to be a f. So.

[A]

The conversation piece has been about battle rappers, how much they make and what they do do when they're Away from battle rap. Like, do you guys have any thoughts about this? Of course. Give me a little something.

[B]

Well, one, people. There was a spike in money in battle rap, and that came right around the pandemic. Caffeine, caffeine, caffeine. And once, once that bubble burst, the money was gone. Like, you hear battle rappers say it, smack said it. Like, they, yo, that money's not here. So the numbers that they used to get, I mean, battle rappers was getting 30, 40, 50 grand a battle.

[C]

Jesus, how much they get now?

[E]

Not that.

[B]

Not that like you. You, like, single digits might be getting. No, no, no. Those probably getting now dime. Maybe anywhere from 3,500 to 15 grand, depending on who you are. Yeah, but you can see it. You could see it in the battle. Rappers taking much more battles now and then. And now you start to see different leagues that you might have never heard of. Now, now, now he's doing a battle here, then here, then here, then here, then here. Because the money slowed up so much, I got to replace it by working more.

[E]

Right.

[C]

Just one more question. How many battles a month or a year do they do, though?

[B]

It depends.

[E]

It depends on the star.

[B]

It depends. But I know, like, at the time, my brother was doing battles. You know, I got a battle this weekend, and then soon as this one is done, I have to prepare because I got another battle three weeks from now. I got another battle two weeks from now. Something like that. And then there's. Then he might not battle again for four or five months.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

He was on the other side getting higher up. I don't know what he's getting now.

[A]

So.

[C]

So your take.

[A]

So your take is ever since caffeine left, the money is kind of left battle rap. So this behavior is acceptable.

[B]

I'm not. No, I never said acceptable. Don't do that. Don't try to jam, guys, please.

[E]

There never was. There never was any money in battle rap. So if anything, it's this small little, you know, sector where they was making real bread. I feel like that the thing.

[B]

I mean, there was money in battle.

[E]

A lot of money.

[A]

Yeah, well, a lot is relative.

[B]

But yes, a lot is relative. Being for a lot of these, what they started getting during after caffeine is a lot.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

For a lot of people.

[E]

Okay. What I'm saying is, is that being that battle rappers are typically not music makers as far as, like, making money as far as on the music. Like, niggas be great at the battle rap. They'll try to make an album, try to make ass right And I feel like with all the energy put into the performances and the props and all that, I just never thought that it was even fair. Like, I feel like when you go to a rap show and niggas just stand there and do these, give you a real show, you know what I mean? It never made sense that there wasn't like a thing where you could just live, eat off and retire off a battle rap. Like, I never made any that level of money.

[B]

They're not making millions.

[E]

Know why? Nobody has kind of corporate. Corporated, you know, made it corporate. Made it like this big business where you can come in and make great money because it's so many people that love battle rap. You know what I mean?

[A]

I think y' all about to venture into a new conversation. I want to specifically speak about Geechee Gotti, the situation he's in and what y' all think about that situation.

[B]

What I think.

[C]

Oh, go ahead.

[B]

I'm sorry, I was about to ask Ice, like. So let's just say a battle rapper at the height during caffeine is getting 40,000. That's good, right? Yeah, that's pretty good for three rounds of gold. No, no, that's amazing. But then you only battling like the. Them niggas, like we know the ones that are them, the serfs, the Geechees, the. You know what I'm saying? Let's say you do two to three battles a year at $40,000, right? So now you had a buck 20 depending on where you live at. That ain't necessarily the most money to survive contingent upon what your lifestyle is. And so now these guys sometimes got to do other. Now if you're not even at the surfing them level and you getting 20,000amonth battle three times a year. That's only 60 grand. Like you putting the three times a year.

[A]

Did y' all hear what I said?

[E]

Listen, let me, let me say something.

[A]

Can I say something?

[E]

Spit it out fast. But what, what the whole point of is that these come from the hood. You already know which battle rappers really connected to the street gang bangers or whatever, right? That's what they come from. I come in this. I'm good at this. It's not really many much money to make or there's not many, many money to be made, right? What the am I going to do other than go back to doing what I. I do? So it's like, is it a shock to this Robin Pharmacies? No. Because when you come to the battle, you can't come to the battle looking a Mess. You can't come. You can't push this around. I think that if these guys would do better if they got assistance in the social media space or branded space. Because once you have that battle and you kill it and it's viral, now you got to make the T shirts, now you got to figure out the meet and greet. You know what I mean? It's more money. That's just like Lux. Lux has that legendary battle. Right. He sold the T shirts. What was the. The thing, you know what I mean?

[B]

Get this work.

[E]

Let's get this work. He pushed that every battle rapper don't know to do that. So it's like they're not even utilizing what they've done to get the most money out of just past. Because it's not just a $40,000 battle. You can make more money after that. You can host parties. You pop in for a while after you in that B battle. Correct. But if you don't know how to do that, you from the hood and all you do know how to do is rap. Yeah. You gonna go back to doing whatever you know how to do. Sidebar pharmacy. It's very profitable, to be honest.

[A]

Okay, but why It's a bunch of.

[E]

Money in robbing pharmacies about it.

[B]

I was just about to say, like. Our lifestyles in the hood be a little expensive. They do. And so. Let me finish, Joe, let me finish. And so if you take Geechee Gotti or if you take another street person and they don't know other ways to make revenue, they gonna lead back to the streets. The streets is always there. It's unfortunate. Unfortunate. But that's what go to is, is the streets ain't like you're gonna go work a regular job now. You know, you noticeable, you know what I'm saying? Like if he go get a. A 9 to 5 job like yo Gigi Gotti doing stock work at Target or some like that, it's better than your Gucci.

[E]

Rapper. After he works at Target. He cannot. So what are we talking about?

[D]

Why does he have to work at Target?

[E]

He doesn't have to work at Target. But I'm coming from a place of a brother. What are we talking about? This went to welding school. This.

[A]

School.

[E]

He been to college. That's why he's battle rapping. He don't have no skills. I'm just saying, realistic wise, what else the we think people gonna do?

[B]

My brother catches bus driver bars to this day. And that was at least 20 something, maybe 20 years ago, if that much. But I'M just saying, like, you can't have. Unfortunately, perception is everything in battle rap.

[E]

That image is so.

[B]

To a lot of them niggas, I'm living my raps. I'm not.

[A]

Y' all won't shut the up the let me. All right.

[E]

Yeah, let him tell us what we should think, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Y', all, like, go ahead.

[A]

Like, why don't we attempt to answer the question instead of just leaving it open ended. Hey, when you come from this and this is all you know how to do, what do we expect you to do? I expect mad other things aside from getting in the car with your three loser friends full of pills and then running away from the police while you're on probation. Like, I think a lot of the hip hop conversations don't address shit head on. Like, got it. We come from where we come from. Got it. We maybe don't want to go get a regular job. Got it. We on probation. That is not the answer. Let's start with free him. Secondly, everybody makes a mistake. Mistake. I'm giving them the benefit of doubt that this is indeed a mistake. But this is one of the dumbest mistakes I've ever seen. I ain't about to sit here and cap for this. This remind me. This remind me of Surf 15 years ago. Like, this remind me of surf ages ago.

[E]

I feel like I almost look down on the rapper that does it more than the battle rapper. I feel like with being a rapper, you have a way better chance of making real money or figuring out battle rap. I just don't.

[C]

But that's another thing.

[A]

But wait, hold up a minute, Mark. That's another thing you keep saying that I am in complete disagreement with. If you making $10,000 a battle, then go do 15 of them and make a buck 50 a year. And now you're not in this poor class that you keep trying to make go.

[B]

Yeah, there's the part you're missing, though. You make without the education of what to do with that money. What are you going to do when you get that, that 150? Real talk. You give a. That's never made no money before in his life. Now you giving him 10 grand a battle. You do 15 battle, that's 150. What do you think he's going to go do without education at that point? The same thing the who ain't in the streets do when you give him that money?

[A]

In my conversation, the athlete, all of them.

[B]

But in my conversation, ain't no money once you pay tax.

[A]

In my conversation, we don't remain uneducated.

[B]

But we speaking to someone that obviously if he, he was educated, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[A]

I don't know that for him this might have been an educated decision. I don't know him well enough to be able to say. All I could do is take the facts that came and say, yo brother, what are we on right now? What are we on right now?

[E]

You don't know him, but does his circumstance have anything to do with where he's from, how he grows up, the fact that he's from an urban area, single mom. Does any of that count? Because that's the thing with you. It's like to me, you speak from a place of almost. Almost like where you think you have an above average brain. Whether you went to college or not. You're a smart guy, right?

[A]

No, we was all there. We was all from the same impoverished neighborhood breaking the law.

[E]

Regardless if you are from the same impoverished neighborhood breaking the law, right? You was a. Had no business doing it because you had that brain in your head. Some of them you hustle with were slow.

[A]

No, I had no business doing it because I rapped.

[E]

What are you talking about?

[A]

I had no business doing it because I rapped and I was great and I. And I quickly learned. Well, yeah, I'm not saying that he ain't smart. So I don't know that smart. It's plenty of.

[E]

Listen, when I say the smart thing is. This is why I say it. If you come from the ghetto, what do we know? We know that those schools are. That's a fact. If you come from the ghetto, what do we know? That you're impoverished. That's a fact. So with those things, to make it out of that situation, you have to be an above average thinker. You have to be a little smarter than the rest. So when people like you talk somebody that I think is intelligent, meaning without college, without rap, without ever, you think different just because how you're bright brain works, you can't put yourself in the places because you in the ghetto already had a leg up because of the brain.

[B]

You got two genetics. That's my opinion real quick.

[E]

I think if you're an average guy, it's harder for you to make it. That's my personal opinion.

[B]

A lot of that got to do with luck. If Joe would have got caught doing some of the shit that Joe might have been doing, he might have got sent up. And your life changes based on some of those things. Now you pump it up, might have never got hurt. So if you don't get the made. That's what I'm saying. So if you don't get some of the breaks that you caught, some of the lucky that happened in your life, the right place, the right time of introduction to somebody, life changes for everybody. So and so we sit around and we judge sometimes based on what we did with our lives. But a lot of that shit was lucky. Nigga, I got shot point blank range. I was 20 years old. I was a fucking child prodigy. I got shot point blank range right here. Two times. I could have been not talking on this microphone right now. Based on a luck of the draw, a. A flip of a coin. So I'm not going to judge somebody else and say that they couldn't be going down this path because I could have been on that path if a few things changed. Joe, your own, your own, your own song. If all else fails, you say if all else fails, I go back to what I know. Yeah, that's what happened.

[A]

That's not what happened.

[B]

That is what happened.

[A]

That's where we are having our fundamental disagreement. All else did not fail fair or else didn't fail for you. For him.

[B]

I'm talking about for him. How do you know that?

[E]

How do y' all figure that?

[C]

Because he. He still make for me. That's part of the problem.

[A]

Right?

[C]

We're gonna come back to this child prodigy thing. This is a serious conversation right now.

[B]

He wasn't letting that go.

[C]

We were all thinking it.

[A]

Good boy. You wasn't letting that go.

[C]

But like to say all else failed for him. I think we got an. I agree with everything you're saying about people's circumstances, how they raise shapes, the.

[A]

Distribution and the luck of the draw.

[C]

And luck of the draw. Sometimes the only difference between us and them is luck. I mean, so I don't wanna get ever get too high and mighty about that, but I don't want to normalize this idea that they don't make enough or they don't have enough. I get how.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's the society makes.

[B]

Them think that normalizing that y'. All. No, I'm not.

[C]

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not even speaking you in particular, but a lot of the conversation it says something similar. Was that, you know, like 120, you know, after taxes or. Or 60. Most of the fucking world makes $60,000, right? I mean, country. Excuse me, you know, or less. Or less. And if you make 120, you. You're fine. We got. We got to stop reinforcing this idea that the 120 that they're making actually isn't enough for them to have their life. If you could make $120,000 working three nights. But Mark that you.

[E]

You won. But Mark, what did he say?

[A]

Yeah, how do we get to all.

[B]

Else failed if I'm in that bug.

[A]

Is all I'm saying.

[E]

Isn't his 120 or 150 different being that he is a public figure and.

[B]

That'S he can't wear Target sweatsuits?

[E]

Willfully.

[B]

Willfully ignoring that point, when you get on the mic and crack on for being. Not being able to fly, economy or first class, etc. Etc. You geechy Gotti. Now you are a public figure. Now you crack on us, nigga. Let me finish. Let me finish, please. Yo, you crack on us. It's a certain standard that now once you are famous, everybody's living. We not gonna sit here and act.

[E]

Like.

[A]

Y' all mute up and let him.

[B]

We're not gonna sit here and act like expectations don't fall upon people that reach a certain level of stardom because they do, especially in our neighborhoods.

[A]

My response to what you're saying is if you are. If. If you are thinking about your fame and how it's relative to why you can't get a job, then you should also be thinking about your fame and how it's relative to why you should not be robbing a string of pharmacies and getting in a Camry with three other niggas and then running over off. You're not even a runner. Well, look, well, look, hold up for a minute. You can't run. You can't run. Questioning. You can't run.

[B]

Yo, you seen the video, Mark?

[A]

No. You're not even a getaway driver. Yo, it was.

[B]

They got you. I said they laid the thing out.

[A]

Sorry. They got the car. You made it a centimeter.

[B]

Not even from here to. To that camera do we do.

[A]

Honestly. Yo, you run so bad, we not going to kill you.

[B]

Yo. We don't.

[A]

You said it. Not going to kill. We got you, buddy.

[B]

You're not going to go. Hey, bro, hands mine.

[A]

You're back on your knees.

[E]

Get tired.

[B]

Just stop, cuz.

[A]

You can't get away and you going to die stupid.

[E]

Listen, and with. To your point, right? Perfect example in podcasting, right? That's not a fly thing. That's not something that people. People podcasting. They sweats and they left athletic gear. Let me come up this. With my hair not done. They dragged me for 10 days about it. So the fact that y' all sitting like, oh, he makes 150 normal people. Make 150 normal people can go to Wawa in pajamas. You can't when you're the battle rapper. So I'm not saying, like, stupid.

[A]

Let me finish.

[E]

Wait, let me. Let me finish. What I'm saying about you, you can't is that you go to Wawa in your pajamas. Sneak a picture next battle. That's the thing. This broke ass, like, why are we acting like. And that's the thing. I sit here Frontal not late, and get dragged for Frontal not being late. And this is a podcast, so I know frontals are 700 things. These expect me to have fresh hair every Friday. That is expensive. So, yes, I know what that feels like to have to keep up appearances because Demona would wear Meek Mill braids to the store, babe.

[A]

Damona. Demona, in the event you and your little bum birthday.

[B]

Let her get it off.

[A]

Yes. People expect for you to come on a broadcast with millions of people watching with your frontal done.

[E]

My front will be done. They want it done to a certain level of done.

[A]

That's true.

[E]

Especially after you say it ain't.

[A]

If you poll any of these people, I can assure you they do not want you robbing a string of farmers pharmacies to pay to get your frontal.

[E]

I don't think they care how I do it.

[C]

And that's the thing.

[E]

They want to be able to criticize you in that way. And that's the first way. And then you got to think I'm a podcaster that don't even really fit in this world. But what battle rapper do. We talk about each other, you know what I mean? So, yes, if you get caught looking crazy, you look caught with some fake shit.

[B]

I know they're paying.

[A]

Oh, my God, the world is horrible. This guy standing across from me is talking about me, and I made 50 grand to be here. I was just getting ready to say, what the are you saying in here's.

[B]

The part that y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

Cause again, being there with battle rappers. Soon as that shit over. And this could have had you looking crazy up there. Them laughing and joking because we all just got paid. We at the club. I sat there with my brother at battles, and I'm like, yo, how the are you chilling with them?

[E]

Yeah, especially your brother.

[C]

Give it up. He be.

[B]

He be killing. He tell me, yo, we out.

[A]

How old were you when you got shot? 20, kid. I was 20 something when they put a gun in my head. And 16, 17, breaking in houses and just all of the mistakes and all of the where. I thank God that luck came in like you spoke about. I was young at 46 almost. I can't be wandering in the world saying I need that luck of the draw. Some of this gotta be my thinking, my decision making, my discernment association brings on affiliation, my friend group. What I'm waking up doing every day. My talks with a higher power, my goals, my focus. No, no, no. It's irresponsible with hip hop to keep saying yo at 40 and I don't know Geechee Gotti is because I didn't Google it. I'm checking 40 where we come from. And yo, my perspective when I walk into Walgreens with the pajama pants on. Yo, listen to audience. Listen up. Nobody has. No rapper has walked in Walgreens bummier than me.

[B]

True, I agree.

[A]

None of them.

[B]

That's a fact. I'm agreeing with them.

[A]

Not a one of them. Cbs, you name it.

[E]

They know you and they said you're pretty bummy. They both said you were bummy most of your life.

[B]

Let me ask you a question. Let me ask.

[A]

Hold up, Joe.

[B]

Hold up, Joe.

[E]

I'm trying to. I'm segueing.

[B]

No, no, no. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

[A]

I hate Mona.

[B]

Joe today, right? Joe today is a definitely a different Joe of yesteryear. Based on how the world is perceiving you. Would you agree with that?

[A]

No, I would stop it after Joe is a different Joe than. I wouldn't say based on how to work. Based on everything.

[B]

No, I'm just saying about how you present outside.

[A]

Outside.

[B]

It's different, bro.

[A]

We've been around Walgreens.

[B]

It's different.

[A]

So what I'm saying is I ain't stepping in Walgreens. You're crazy.

[C]

I get what you said. I don't think you're wrong about. I think the world. The standard changes when you're in the. When you're in the public eye, it is. And expectations. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that can't be the end of the true.

[B]

It shouldn't be.

[C]

I feel like sometimes we accept the behavior by saying, well, he is in public eyes. We gotta do this.

[A]

That's how I feel about what he's saying.

[E]

We all three think it's dumb.

[B]

We all three think that thing through.

[E]

We all think it's stupid. Me, I would appreciate it if the pharmacy robbery ring got busted and then they found out months later that he was the chess piece guy, but that. That I could appreciate that type of.

[B]

Crime, but that's what I was trying to get to. Like you saying why this happened. This might have been the sixth time. This might have been the 14th time. And they've been getting it off and got. I'm tight on board right now. I know how we can get it because we've done this in the past.

[E]

Cool.

[B]

Let's go make this quick run real quick. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[A]

We got it. I'm not championing dumb criminals. How I'm interpreting what you saying is a dumb criminal.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's akin for me to they going to clown me. But I'm saying my example anyway. The bartender, that's the 30 that, yo, I'm getting out at 31. Yo, I'm getting out at 32. I'm getting out at 33. But the fast money is so great. None of that's happening anytime soon. Like, so. So the criminal, that's like, yo, whatever you just said, yo, I've been getting this off. I'm gonna get it off again. Yo, I got this off in Cincinnati. I'm gonna get it off again. I'm going Ohio. I'm gonna get it off again. At what point and at what age does that thinking change is what I'm asking. Answer me first before you go on.

[B]

You letting him go? Well, I was responding to something else. You want I can.

[E]

Answer me.

[A]

Anybody, Answer me, please.

[B]

It don't ever change until you find something else to supplement that income. And that's the gift and the curse of the streets. The same way as the gift and the curse of the bartender chicks. Until you find something else that can. One of my niggas lost his job, and he was like, yo, dog, back to the streets. The streets are always there for me as they. Until you find something else that supplements that income. So now we see, especially in New York, it's a worldwide broadcast. I can only speak for New York now. You see all the old bartenders, all the old strippers getting into the real estate.

[A]

Frenchies.

[E]

They selling French. Ghetto whisper. I disagree what you're saying, cuz. You know why? In my experience, when people change, the answer to that is when you grow up to a certain extent, when you get baptized or you take shahada. Where you make that decision. Where I don't do like that, cuz. I don't want to be a part of like that. I've seen people change on that. Nowhere you get to a Certain level, whether it's maturity, whether it's loving God, loving the world or whatever, where I don't do that anymore. And a lot of times when you do those, make those better changes for yourself, pop positive, you. You kind of draw positivity in, and then you get this new career or.

[B]

Be a close call or you get caught, go wrong. That is a very small number.

[E]

I'm saying. In my experience, it's like the Die Hard Street I knew they did not make money in real estate first and then switch. Those made a decision, they was broke as, and then they were blessed with whatever the next hustle was they. Because in a way, you have to kind of make that thing where I don't do this no more. I don't give a what happens. I. I'm not selling poison to my community. I don't care what happens. I'm not risking my life by robbing the bank. I'm not doing that. You know what I mean? I love my life more. I care about my kids, whatever that thing is. And then, you know, things change positively. As far as when I seen Die Hard, real street change, I never really seen. You know, it happened just because they tried something legal and it worked. And it's like, oh, let me do this. Because Grease said, and then you want the money for my.

[A]

I would like to add to that, too, because the other part that's blurry for me is like Ish said, the streets are. Are always there, always there and always on. Refer to it as. As you need. Right? And I know I'm old, so I'll say, in my day, the streets were the barrier for entry. And then once the street, like most of the street that was doing street, they didn't have something else to do. They didn't have something else to fall back on.

[B]

So correct the pivot that I talked about. So look at.

[A]

At him.

[B]

Look at him.

[A]

That's where. That's where I'm making the differentiation. Okay, good. Is that cool? You may have started in the street. Now you have found your purpose, right? I'm calling it his purpose because that's how good he is at it.

[B]

He's great. He's great.

[A]

And if he's great, one of the best, clearly. And if you believe in that and you want to truly give yourself a shot, then when do you not rob the pharmacy? Even though that's where you came from, asking for, Even though you got it off?

[B]

Joe, I'm. Let me tell you why I'm asking for a lot.

[A]

To save yourself.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

[A]

Save the best in the world.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. Again, this person, I don't know how many children he got, a wife he got. I don't know which people you're supporting. And again, once that money slowed up that you was getting. Hold on, let's try. Once that money slows up, the bills don't stop.

[A]

Let's try it this way because we know Geechy Gotti, but let's try it a different way.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If Surf comes home. And he's coming home.

[B]

Correct. Actually. I love you this week.

[A]

Any day now. Yeah.

[E]

Welcome home.

[A]

And three months later, his. He's the one that. He's the one that pharmacies robbing. He was in the car, they tried to get away from the cops. He ran, they caught him, he's back in jail. What would I message him, Tim?

[E]

You dumb. Of course y' all were cursing the out. That's your people.

[B]

Who you talking to?

[A]

All of us in here. All of us in here personally. We know him, we love him. That's our brother. What would our message be there? I can tell you what mine would be. Him, his whole family know what mine would be. So I ain't even got to go.

[F]

And I.

[A]

And I look at. And I'm looking at Geechee like that, bro.

[B]

We would look at Surf a certain way, right? Because we think he has an alternative.

[A]

No, he has. I know why you say we think.

[B]

Listen, because I'm trying to be objective. We will look at Surf as that type of way because we think he has an alternative, which is he could come up here. If he needs money, he can do other things.

[A]

He could rap and give him Ozzy. He's network resources.

[B]

If somebody necessarily does not have the capability of generating enough income to take care of them and they family, that's when the plan B's, Plan C's, plan D's come in. For a lot of people, I think we losing sight of that. And I think we simplifying the fact that, yo, you could just go out and make some money somewhere and everybody don't necessarily have that ability to go make enough money to sustain them and their families.

[C]

Okay, if there's only two jobs, let.

[B]

Me reply it in battle Rap.

[A]

I think that is.

[B]

Let's just.

[A]

I think that is a phenomenal point that you just raised. My counter to that is people have to give themselves a shot. So if you're telling me that you're not able to make any money from your talent. I know mad people that got talent and don't have a manager. Don't have a road manager. Don't have this or don't have some of the ancillary pieces that you need to help get your talent where it needs to go. I would urge you to try to find those pieces and exhaust all options before we go get to. Let's rob the pharmacies and get in the Camry with these three loser. And try to run on foot.

[B]

I'm not. I think both could be taking place simultaneously. I think that. But in the event people. In the event you didn't get to find these people that you speak of. Yeah, and now I get desperate because that's what happens. Desperation start to set in and now I gotta make something shake. Yeah, now it ain't time. Time for I could get a manager. I could go do this. I could go do this. Now I'm desperate.

[A]

Desperate. So once I'm desperate, desperation yields beautiful results in art, not so much in real. And take your desperation, go lock yourself in a small shed or room or basement and. And make something.

[E]

I have a question for you right As a person that as a person.

[A]

I'm asking a rapid. A rap.

[E]

As a person that you asking a.

[B]

Father to not feed they kids.

[A]

You're feeding your kids.

[B]

Joe, hear me out. While you locked in the shed working on yourself. You working on yourself. You trying to find a manager. You trying to do all of the things you saying that I'm agreeing with you because I don't want to act like I'm caping for the niggas doing crime. We're not cap what I'm saying at all.

[A]

Well, I'm only keep pushing back because some of it begins to sound that way.

[B]

Yeah. No, and that's why I said I was gonna say real fast. You know how you watch them documentaries to understand like the. The mind of the murderer talking? You're not. You know how you always watch the. The killer doc because you just be wanting to know why they did certain things. You try to understand not saying it was right. That's all we doing. It's just. I can understand what led you to make these decisions. I can understand that it's not right. I'm not condoning it, but I could understand why. How a person like him could end up doing that. I get it. I'm not saying it's what.

[E]

Okay, excuse me.

[A]

I'm coming straight to you. I understand it too. The next time I see him, I'm gonna dap him and talk to him about how stupid I think the move Was true. I'm not gonna champion it. I ain't gonna say, oh, you almost. It's not gonna be like a laughing or joking matter to me. I love him, care about him. And again, he's one of the more talented. It ain't like we saying it's about some loser nigga. I would tell him to go. Go rob all the Percocet in the world.

[B]

You know who else think. You know who else going to sit there and have the conversation and think how stupid this was. And damn him right now he's having that conversation. He can't eat E. Yo, why did I do that? You don't think he regret that the first couple days?

[A]

I don't know if he regrets it. 1. And the moral of my story is to get him to a certain point before that point comes, before we get to I regret it, and I don't have another chance.

[B]

Chance.

[A]

Like, let's do some different thoughts. Back to you.

[E]

My question is, as a person that has had success in success that came with fame in two ways. With rapping and with this, right? What, nigga?

[A]

I'm listening.

[E]

You the pump it up guys.

[A]

That's how my brain goes.

[E]

Okay, I'm sorry. So I do think my question really to all y', all, but especially you, is at some point, does fame kind of work against you? Meaning, like, I'm famous as fuck for what I did, right? Just like, I know. I'm sure you know plenty of rappers that had some success and then they fell off, but they're still famous. Okay? When you get to that point, if you do not want to stay in entertainment or you do not know how to hustle off the entertainment, you kind of put yourself in this box because you're famous. So working certain jobs and let's say, like. Like park said, why you got to work at Target?

[D]

Cool.

[E]

But even if you work at the warehouse, your supervisor treat you funny because you're famous. So that's what I'm saying as a famous, famous person, because you've been famous for a long time.

[A]

But I'm some people. I understand your question. Is your name. I understand your question. I'm ill equipped to answer it because money, to me was more important than my pride, right? So I was broke as a rapper, okay? If I had to go to the warehouse, I was down to do it. And if was going to talk, I was. You can make a. It's not cap.

[E]

Did you.

[A]

Did you work.

[E]

Did you. Did you work between them times? I'm just curious. Did you Work any. Anywhere between the times of Joe Button broke rapper to Joe Button podcast.

[A]

Did you get work as in normal people post office season? No, but I did things for money. Pause. That I didn't want to do.

[B]

True. And sometimes you had to be coerced into doing some of that because I remember some of the conversations where we. The lights is off. You gotta go do X, Y, and Z.

[C]

So you did.

[E]

And the coercidence from his village that he was blessed to have.

[B]

There you go. And you.

[C]

That's all I'm saying.

[B]

And you did have pride. It's times when Cory was manage you. Corey argue with you like, no, we got to go do this. We don't have a choice. And the coercion was like, all right, yeah, you're right.

[A]

I don't. But you had the cour. But you had pride initially and didn't.

[B]

Want to do it.

[A]

That to the illegal.

[B]

No, no, no. I didn't say illegal. I'm talking about the pride. You said pride always for you. I mean, money came before pride. And I said, that was then.

[A]

It's time to tuck your pride in.

[B]

Your pocket after get on you.

[E]

But everybody skipped my question. And my question was, is there a time where fame works against you? Because in my mind, I'm a hustler, so my fame is always gonna work for me. I don't give a. About to do meet and greets at Disney World in Dorney Park. I'm doing that. But I'm a hustler, so I know a lot of people on the other end. I did this. I was good at it. I ain't even trying again. It's too hard. But I want to move on, do what I normally do. And I used to work at supermarkets. Now I can't. That's what I'm saying.

[B]

But it's. It's. It's like people overrate their fame. Young jock went viral. Them doing the door dash. Like, it happens.

[D]

People overrate their fame, bro. Like someone. No disrespect to Geechy Gotti. There might be one person that sees him in the back room at a corporate office and takes a picture.

[E]

He working there, though, baby.

[A]

Or the car wash.

[B]

He knows who he is.

[D]

No disrespect to him.

[E]

Right?

[B]

It's okay.

[C]

Yeah, you.

[D]

You can get a regular job, yo.

[B]

And to them, they say, I. I. All right, do that and all of that. Or I go hit this quick lick right here and boom. And a lot of them will choose the quick lick.

[A]

And if that thinking makes sense, to you then have a blast.

[B]

You got to live with the consequences. Exactly. You have to live with the consequences. You gotta live with the consequences.

[A]

It sucks to be one of the best rappers in the world. In jail, though.

[E]

That sucks. Yeah. Cause them niggas is lining up begging that to rap right now.

[D]

Sometimes street money don't even be the most money either too. Not for nothing.

[E]

Say what you say, Parks.

[D]

So sometimes that street money don't be the most money. He sounds like he's working with a lot of shit, but.

[E]

But it's not a lot of money.

[A]

But that was a lot of money. That's a nice thing, right? Like in rap. Because I don't speak for the top 5% that rapped and made it. Like I speak for the field where you rap just to earn yourself another day and another shot and another chance and another deal and another brown bag feature and another hosting and another you fighting for the day. That fight is, oh, over when I go to jail. Agree. It is no more fight.

[D]

It's also crazy. If you were making, with the arbitrary figures, $150,000 a year battle rapping and this seems like it was a lot of work, but you could potentially end up getting a lick for $5,000 and go to jail for 10 years by easy. Like when you were making, you could make $150,000.

[A]

Yeah. Come on, man. Come on.

[B]

Again, like I said, I could understand than what leads to it. I'm not champion.

[A]

You wouldn't do it.

[B]

I don't play. I don't play games against the law.

[E]

I have one more question for y', all, but.

[B]

But again, if I can't speak, I can't put myself in that situation. He came up in that. So they might. They look, his whole view of the world could be different from mine.

[E]

Last question for all y'.

[B]

All.

[E]

If it did come out. Last question for all of y'. All. If it did come out. That instead of him actually in the Camry, Robin, he just set it up, found the pharmacies. He was like the boss false of it. So like that usually come out in the wash.

[B]

He wouldn't be in the car. I know, I got hypothetical.

[E]

I just said, would it change if it came months later at trial?

[A]

No.

[E]

That he was the one putting up, you know, getting together, getting the vertical cars.

[A]

No.

[E]

Would he be less dumb?

[A]

No.

[B]

No, bro. We sat here, sat there and called Max dumb for the same. For that whole situation. He wasn't there, was nowhere near when that happened. And people called him dumb for that situation.

[E]

It was some dumb that happened in.

[B]

That he was not there, wasn't even in the state.

[A]

And they still called him dumb.

[B]

And they still called him dumb because why? Perception. You on these blogs, you doing all of this. You look like this. You always showing all this money. And that's what y' all did or that's what your peoples did. It's the same thing. Like, yo, whether you there or not, we're going to view it the same way.

[A]

And don't let my commentary misconstrue where I'm at with it. Free Geechy Gotti and I do think. Think that that's a mistake and he deserves another chance. But at some point. This is stupid.

[B]

It is, I think, the whole mentality deeper than that.

[C]

We've been doing this in hip hop for. I mean, yeah, remember Cool seeing steady beat 30 years ago during the same. We've been saying this forever. At some point, if you gonna run.

[A]

Away from the cops, then you should be able to run.

[B]

You know what? You should be unfortunate.

[E]

For years. And I could not run. I remember running out the mall and the security running at the same speed as me. Well, he was really speed walking, but I was giving it all I had. And he said to me, like, bro, can you just stop? And I just. I gave it all. And when I was. I. I can't run, but I use my arms to pump. But it. You know, I was still a criminal and I still tried to run every time. You know what I mean?

[B]

That Kevin Hart and putting together. So you slice the win every.

[A]

I'm running.

[E]

I don't give a. If I'm slow. This might trip. It might be my lucky day. I love that you brought up luck. I love that y' all brought up luck. Or being blessed, because I did never think about that. I often tell people, all you have to do to dream is chase it and work hard and all that. You can be just like me. I'm crazy. No, the truth is, it's a little magic in it. Everybody doesn't have it. Some of y' all sitting there writing, writing those raps and writing those scripts and all that. And that shit's never going to go anywhere.

[A]

Every living second. Who this applies to anyway. Every living second of a battle rapper's life that this applies to should be folk. Every second, Every second should be focused on figuring out how to not be paid only an appearance fee for when you show up, rap and leave.

[D]

That applies to all levels of artistry, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alphabet.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

Probably more so for battle rap because. But yeah, it applies to everybody and what happens. Y' all should be. Y' all should be figuring out how to be paid from every time someone watches your battle. And some of you have figured that out. Some of y' all have started your own leagues and your own network, started funneling money and paying battle rappers, investing in yourselves. Some of y' all have done it. Some of y' all have taken your notoriety and started other businesses. I. E. Goods conceited fucking hollow. There are ex. There are examples in battle rap trap of successful business models and there are examples of not so successful business models. Yeah, the Geechy Gotti business model as it stands is not a work. It's not working. Find you somebody that know what they doing. You battle rappers don't even pick up the phone and use your resources and think tank and toss ideas around. I've been a fan of this for a billion years. One of the only to ever call me me, come do dinner, come have tea just to float ideas is Lux, who also just so happens to be one of the best battle rappers in the world and one of the best minds like why niggas think they got time to play fucking mook. Another one like the best in the world are taking the time to figure out all right, it ain't in just showing up to rap. Hey, the best rappers in music land, real music business. I'm saying hey, it ain't in just like it's in some ownership. It's in the pub. It's in my full of CDs going not Vico. Yeah, burn a CD, rap acapella, go sell 10 of them, do something but anything to give yourself another shot. Geechy Gotti, I love you. You're in my prayers and I hope that you get free and don't do this stupid again. I'm not telling you nothing different than I tell my my brother father Surf when he go in. Yo, enough now. Yeah, enough now.

[C]

We did it.

[A]

We had all the fun. We did all the crimes.

[E]

One thing you gave them is when you you said it, you mentioned it fast. But you said something about changing the people you roll around with. You really can't hang with the that you did street with when you're on this new journey to bring you back. A lot of times them the that say man, you heard them CVS safes don't work. You know what I mean? So you changing your friend group changes the fact that that even slides in your mind. When I first started this, I Came from outside. I switched my. I built a friend group of creatives because I didn't have that, but that helped. So when I start talking crazy about, yeah, damn, I should rob such and such and do such and such, they'll be like, what? Because they didn't come from that. So that's something that you can control on your own. Finding new friends. And I think a lot of people make. Make mistakes at trying to do the global domination. You got 30,000 people that with you feed them. They will purchase things from you, they will support you. You don't have to worry about getting a billion gadrillion Fans when the 30,000 you have will. Will pay you. They'll tip you, they'll give you whatever, you know.

[A]

You know what? I agree with everything Mona said. You know what else would be of a major service? Like just looking people in the eyes, right? Right. When I was a teenager and we used to plan to go rob the gas station or rob the fucking Brinks truck or try to. Or go to the rich suburban neighborhoods and break in the house, we would be in a trap house, right On Clinton Ave. A few of us sit around the table and we would hand out the gigs. All right, you gonna do this at 8 o' clock and you gonna do this. And it was me and a couple of the home. And because it was a trap house, it was some crackhead niggas in there. And sometimes little white Bobby would be at the table and they would try to give him a task. Like, yo, when we bust in, you gonna get the door you time up. And little Bobby would be like. And I could. And I would be like, no, you can't. You just gotta look people in the face and recognize who you should and shouldn't be doing. Doing a crime with real. None of them he ran with. Look.

[E]

They like rats. Like they're gonna tell what they look funny.

[B]

I ain't saying y', all.

[E]

I seen it.

[B]

I just seen them running. I ain't saying.

[A]

But again, man, they didn't look like this crime would be successful.

[B]

But you spit.

[A]

But.

[B]

But something was successful, Joe.

[A]

That's all I'm gonna.

[B]

That's the part.

[A]

You ever seen that some criminals look successful. Some criminals do. Do have a not so successful look on them. Free Geechy Gotti also. That was really stupid.

[B]

No, it was. I agree.

[A]

And them use what was stupid.

[E]

Too slow.

[A]

You gotta. You gotta enforce telling when they with stupid.

[B]

Y', all, I think know when they all sitting in there, they know, damn, this was stupid. Like had that reflection time.

[A]

Look at the car first, right? If you was gonna try to escape from the police beast like you wasn't in the urus, like you wasn't in the. Like sometimes I'd be in a Ferrari and I'd be like, you know what? You just pull up on me. I ghost these was in a brand new path.

[B]

That's conspicuous what I'm saying. But you're trying to blend in with the regular cars.

[A]

No, they was conspicuous. It was mad.

[C]

Yo.

[A]

That's the other thing. The, the fed done tracked you from the first Walgreens, you dodo.

[B]

But they had the on the airport port once he landed, they was like, all right, there you go. We watching them.

[A]

Yeah, sorry, but.

[B]

But you don't know that you think.

[E]

This business as usual that first night in jail, you replay your day. Yeah.

[B]

You trying to figure out where you.

[A]

Went, where it went wrong.

[E]

Oh, it's the worst. Them first couple days are horrible. Keep your head up, boy.

[A]

Thank God you changed your life.

[E]

Yeah. Cuz.

[A]

What that wasn't no joke. It took me an hour in there to know that I wouldn't be trying to return.

[B]

It took me watching somebody else go.

[E]

And I don't even get like, might not like that.

[A]

What your life like for you Beanie single.

[E]

That's the thing about girls. I heard it all the girls are. You know what I mean. And I don't.

[A]

You know, I've never dated look like the star in the next season the Orange is the New Black.

[E]

I can't believe they did that movie about boosters without me. But let's move on. Why the wouldn't I be a part of that movie? Kiki Palmer. I'm starting to believe what they say about you. True.

[A]

Well, it's true what they say about Kiki Palmer.

[E]

She's an Aquarius. I know she's shitty.

[A]

When I. When I say they say, I mean me, right?

[E]

I know it's you.

[A]

I be saying when I said them.

[E]

I was saying I wanted to say.

[A]

Joe because she is another one. But I get it. We love her. Nickelodeon kids.

[E]

How do you have a booster movie without. You know.

[A]

So if you haven't had. If I've ever. If there was ever a day where I was grateful that an estate put a stop to something. It was this sexy red Michael Jack. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh. Oh my God. Oh, no, no, no. Shut up, girl. It was the sexy red remake of Michael Jackson's Beat It. If you've never heard it, it's never heard it.

[B]

So you gotta get it.

[A]

So unfortunately, I'm gonna play it.

[B]

O.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. Eat it.

[E]

Oh, God.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Stop it, stop it, stop it.

[B]

I apologize, Imani, for you even.

[A]

I'm sorry, y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

I'm sorry, bro.

[E]

I blame us for this.

[A]

She ain't doing that over. Over Prince record you.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

It's our fault.

[E]

And the thing about Sexy is I remember when Sexy. Sexy, right? I remember when Sexy was getting featured on Sukihana songs, and Sukihana was the bigger star, okay. And she moved to Miami and she really started to hustle. So I really enjoy seeing her work like it did, especially in the beginning of it. She just walking down south beach talking to people, going viral, and. Because she got this wild ass song or whatever. But that mute. It didn't sound good. I don't know what the fuck the vibe was where while we were like. Like with it so heavy because it never really sounded that great. And I feel like with her, like, it's just passed. I can't see her getting back there. You know what I mean?

[A]

I don't see her talented music never catching another one.

[E]

Yeah. So it's like, please.

[B]

Well, they put it with Bruno Mars and it ain't work.

[A]

Still never catch. Yeah, you're right.

[E]

It's time for her.

[B]

If that don't do it, this should tell you something.

[E]

And she a hustler. I know whatever she does next reality television, she was sore, you know what I mean? But when she dropped. When she dropped, named them chlamydia and like that. And people bought that. Like, we did that. We did this where she thought she could do that. And Michael and Tito wasn't gonna call, you know what I mean? Or anybody would like it. But at this point, I don't. And that's what I mean when I say she a hustler. I don't even know if this is a hustle because Karisha just dropped a song that was ass. So ass that it went viral, right? You. You know, something. Something to you see your two fingers touching. It was horrible.

[A]

Tea. When you see your two fingers, it's t. It's tea. It was bad.

[E]

It was bad.

[A]

But.

[B]

Why do you know the.

[E]

Is unplugged? So he misses you.

[B]

We. We got dicks. We not supposed to know that.

[E]

Nah, I said that to say Sexy Red is such a hustler and I respect her cuz I watched her do it. I wouldn't be surprised if she dropped something ass to emulate what Miami just did because She's a trapper that.

[A]

You get me.

[E]

Miami just went viral on some. This song is ass. I would not be surprised if she had that in the tuck. She knew it was ass. She knew it was gonna get dropped, but it's gonna get people talking about.

[B]

Her, which was for this sound like we was playing around in a karaoke bar.

[E]

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[C]

Yeah, it do.

[B]

That is. Michael was over there. Like, you see this? No, Michael's a hood. Mike. Mike looking up like Mike might something on that. You see this, too?

[E]

Not going to lie. I don't do that.

[A]

No, I'm not that. Where's this from?

[B]

You know you got this.

[E]

You know, it's when you see them two fingers touching. You know what? I don't love that. It's corny. It's bad. But it went viral for being corny. And everybody did their own version of it. And you make. I know. She made bread off that. I know. Know she did. You know, that was a splash for her.

[B]

I hate all this.

[E]

Yeah. So I don't know. It's over.

[B]

But I'm with you, though. It's our fault.

[A]

What's your name? Sexy Red. It's over. Yo, Karisha.

[B]

Stop Careers, ups, dot com.

[C]

Listen, she's too famous.

[A]

There's in Jersey City, in the high heights, there's a few pharmacies with low security.

[B]

Just go hit a pharmacy. Start sitting on a mission.

[A]

Sexy Red.

[B]

Get your home girls.

[A]

Yo. They got some perks. And over there. Yeah, go hit all of the pharmacies.

[B]

Y' all right there on west side.

[A]

Right there. They right there. It's over for them.

[B]

No, they there. But it's mom and pop pharmacies. They ain't got the best security.

[A]

Gia, Luke. Great. And when Puff come on, we'll see what. What happens with those two. But it's all. You know, it's tea when you see them two fingers.

[E]

And I think Sexy Brit is a nice person, too, and a lot of people like her. Because that new video she just filmed, My girl was in it now in front of the pod. Janice. She's in that video. They filmed the video, but Chief Keef's in it, too. Just her having that relationship with Chief Keef. You know what I mean?

[A]

Chief Keef is if you're really nice, then you can get to register at Target. They won't just have you in the aisles where they put the rude. The rude Target workers. You ask them where the toy aisle at, they just keep. They just keep walking by.

[B]

I don't know I don't work in that department. Read the sign and say toy.

[A]

My last. I told you, my last three times in Target was when that smile rule got passed. I was stepping to him. Hey, ain't you supposed to smell at me? Yo, you. Yeah, ain't you supposed to be smiling at me, going on sexy red. Karisha, do us a favor, please. Honestly, Sorry, Larry Jackson. Well, you got Kanye coming out. You don't care, nigga. Yeah, I ain't seen a sexy red Larry Jackson picture in ages.

[E]

Can y' all see Karisha coming back?

[A]

Coming back with.

[E]

As far as doing music by herself, you almost got.

[B]

I'm glad you said it, because I almost did it.

[A]

Karisha, you're done.

[E]

Damn.

[A]

There's a few other female rappers that are done. I won't name them.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

I won't name them.

[B]

It's a couple. So it's a couple of them.

[A]

We ain't gonna hear a few songs from a few female rappers.

[B]

We're not gonna hear no song. All not. Not a few.

[A]

They look unhappy, though. See, that's why I can't play with him. Cause he gotta go do look happy. You don't. Yo, you don't just need a Sometimes more than a song can make you happy. You're right. You know, it's tea when you see them two fingers touching. See, that's what I mean about rappers that don't have a good friend group. Somebody in that studio should have said, don't you just take the new hot lingo off the Internet and try to put it on the chorus and why not?

[B]

That's what they've been doing. Why not?

[E]

But sometimes it don't work. When it don't work, it don't work.

[B]

But you saying somebody should tell them.

[A]

Not to do it.

[B]

I'mma go back to what worked. And you saying they tick tocking it and they flipping and all of that.

[E]

But all negative ish. Every most TikTok was clowning how it sucks.

[B]

So it wasn't.

[E]

It wasn't like something that you show you. She wasn't happy about it. But then it started really going. And then, you know, she started fucking around with it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Cardi started her tour the other day and she said some shit about if ice come, we gonna be a mace them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then the Twitter account of the Homeland Security, bro. Homeland Security replied saying, didn't you used to drug men or something that. That they were saying shouldn't be saying, yeah, yeah, Cause, bro, whatever. They said that account shouldn't be Saying that.

[B]

That's the White House page be saying wild dhs. Yo, they bugging the out.

[A]

And then Cardi rep. She shot back, and I liked it.

[B]

It was a good shot.

[D]

It was a good shot.

[A]

There's only four. There's only like, four female rappers I could support now.

[B]

Yo, what she said? She said. Well, since y' all talking about. They said something along the lines of, well, this is a. We would. I'm paraphrasing, but we would rather her be doing this than drugging and robbing.

[C]

As long as she doesn't drug and rob our agents, we'll consider that an improvement over her last behavior.

[E]

Right.

[B]

And she said, oh, speaking of drugging. Right. Since we talking about drugging.

[E]

Right.

[A]

She wrote Epstein files.

[B]

Well, how about them Epstein files and them little girls that y' all was drugging? And let's talk about that.

[A]

I love that. I love.

[B]

Right there. And back to superstar speaking out on. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He.

[B]

Hey, y dogs talk. Let's talk about that. Since y' all want to say something.

[E]

Yeah. Cardi has never been one of them tongue biter kind of.

[B]

Oh, no, she don't with them.

[E]

And she's intelligent. I feel like ice from the beginning, they is. They would have those videos made almost like movie clips of them walk. And they look like the Terminator. Yeah, we gonna clean the streets. It's like, what the Is going on. The sick part is that they know Americans are dumb and that. That just. That visual alone will have half the country like, they're helping us. It looks like a movie.

[B]

Well, that's because the.

[A]

The. The.

[B]

The ice targets. They've already conditioned a lot of America to look at as less than y' all not human. So that's why they place you. They call you, like, illegal or. You know what I'm saying? Immigrant. Like aliens. Alien, y'. All. Not on the same level anyway. So you start looking at them ice ages cruel to them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You looking at the ICE agents like, yo, y' all doing a good job. Y' all helping clean this. Clean this up.

[E]

They play on your fears.

[B]

And when you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Playing on your fears. So when you initially roll it out as we going to get all the. We going to get all the criminals. We going to get the MS.13s. We going to get these people and these people. You think you're doing a good job. That's the thing. Until you see them dragging some old lady grandmother out that never committed a crime.

[E]

And you know the funniest part for that, because none of that is funny. But I am a comic, and I enjoy laughing. The part that's funny in that is that the. The Latins that happen to vote for him that believe that they will only take the bad ones, right? And now they're losing their cousins and their grandmas and shit. Some of them have left. You know, like that clip that went viral. She's like, we all love Donald Trump, right? You know, the rumor is that bitch.

[B]

Went viral back or her husband or something.

[E]

We all vote for Donald Trump. That ain't funny now, is it?

[A]

You got a skirt on now. Be careful. You moving your legs.

[B]

And Mona want to flash them anyway so bad. I know. I know you. I know you. You know these couches. You came in here like, I'm going get a little something.

[E]

Not that far, but once I say here, I thought I would like them. Like, when I was a kid, I did that at ballet. We were all sitting around the circle. Because you have a daughter, all right? Because you have a daughter. I was, like, five, and I'm sitting with my parents, and we in a ballerina thing, and we're all in a circle, and I just showed everybody, why.

[A]

Don'T be sterilizing their clip rings.

[E]

I was 4. I don't get no clip ring. I ain't that kinky.

[A]

Oh, corny.

[E]

I ain't that kinky. No nipple rings. None of that.

[A]

You got to change the Wikipedia then. That should say it's something sitting.

[E]

Can you get him? Like, the vibe is so good in here. It's my birthday still.

[A]

Word.

[E]

It's your birthday.

[A]

Even after the free piercings.

[B]

Hey, all y' all out there, It's Mona birthday. Throw something in the cash app, yo.

[C]

Cash app.

[A]

Cash app, yo, we didn't put that to bed. Begging. Begging for cash apps on birthday birthdays.

[B]

Ain't nobody begging.

[A]

That's so 2018. Listen, I put his cash app in his bio.

[B]

Wait till June 19th.

[E]

I fought the feeling, right? I said, you too old for this. This birthday. Don't do it. Don't you do it right. And I woke up the day before my birthday. They closed my cash app.

[A]

Oh, you scamming.

[B]

All right, well, look, send it to my cash app. I'll get it to her. Send it to Dollar Sign officially Ice. I'll get it to her.

[E]

Send it to Ice.

[A]

I got you.

[F]

You.

[A]

Was anyone here blessed enough to watch the congressional hearing featuring. Oh, my God. Featuring Pam Bond?

[D]

What a mess.

[C]

Yo.

[B]

My, this might have been no wild this year. I didn't know what was going on. I just saw Some clips going out, and I'm like, wait, what's. All right, so let me tune in, fam. They don't give a.

[C]

They was te.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's what I took away.

[C]

Like, house traditional site.

[B]

They think we just. No, they think so.

[E]

The.

[B]

What? I did it and, like. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, they don't give a. Like, yo, Yeah, y. Not gonna. I can't do about it. Y' all can't penalize me. I. I'm being the big homie got my back. Y' all can't do a thing, bro. When you start you.

[D]

Last week, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch.

[A]

Can'T go off script.

[D]

Said that any victim that wants to speak with the department has done so hopefully. Well, thanks to the incredibly brave people sitting here behind you, we can actually ask them if that's true. Now with the survivors and victims who are here, please stand up one more time. Just by show of hands, how many of you or your loved ones actually have met with the Department of Justice and provided testimony and estimate and evidence?

[E]

None.

[D]

And of those of you who have not met, which is everyone, how many of you have reached out, either individually or through a lawyer or representative to offer to provide testimony and evidence?

[A]

All of them.

[D]

And of those of you, all of you who have reached out, how many of you were denied or ignored by the Department of Justice? All of them.

[B]

All of it.

[D]

And despite the shameful and despicable efforts by Ms. Bondi and her department to intimidate you, how many of you are still willing to speak to the Department of Justice?

[A]

All of them.

[D]

Well, Ms. Bondi, it looks like you have some more with him and it's time expired.

[A]

No, he made use of his time.

[B]

No, no, no. A lot of. A lot. Yeah. Them went up there with knowing exactly. I'm getting my off and listen.

[E]

They.

[B]

And they got it off.

[E]

Those survivors are so strong. Like, shout out to them. You know, the lady Virginia that, you know, took her own life last year. I mean, she was fighting forever. You know what I mean? Imagine being in that fight and knowing what happened to you and knowing it happened to so many people and knowing so many important big wigs know. And nobody gives a. And she gave up. She left three kids and her husband. This is sick. And this is one white women there. I kept stuttering when I was talking about that, because I remember when I first even heard about him that, you know, it was young white girls. But I didn't know if that was like, true facts or not, but it Is it's all white girls. It's like they don't give a. If the white girls. If the white girls can't get no help. They don't care. That, bro, that is sick. I can't even read it. Like, I can't. It's too gross.

[B]

Yo, some of that is, like, when you see some of the reports. Most of it it's some graphic going on, bro. Telling you it's some real. Like, worse than. Worse than your favorite porn.

[E]

Yours. I want to ask, cuz I know people at home want to know. Smart. Is that picture real? That viral picture of that little girl? She's blind. Hair kid.

[C]

I'm not sure. I don't know. I haven't seen a verification. I don't know.

[A]

Always this sorry.

[E]

Make it up. Damn.

[C]

I just can't say yes to I don't know.

[A]

This clip was journalism.

[E]

Yo.

[B]

Mona is podcast.

[E]

This ain't. This ain't.

[B]

Bet he can answer the question.

[A]

Right.

[E]

We can lie up here, though. Y.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

This clip was really educational for me, admittedly as someone who hasn't kept up with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Epstein fouls. I kind of have blocked that off. Same for many reasons. Right. I. I wasn't a Weird that there were so many survivors. I wasn't.

[B]

And they've been trying for years.

[A]

I wasn't aware.

[B]

To get.

[A]

They have been to be hurt trying to tell their story. Have reached out to give their account of things. After watching this, I did go read up. Read up a little bit, and I. I couldn't get very far. Some of the stuff that we've been hearing. Let me speak for me. That I've been hearing in Pat passing without reading up on any of. Sounds so unbelievable. Yeah. That you would just continue about your day. The stuff that was in there about the dentist room that was set up like a dentist room. And they would bring people in there and put them under the anesthesia and then take them and do God knows what to them, and then they wouldn't remember anything. And when they wake up, all they would remember is that they were in a dentist. Yeah, they were. There were stories in there about furniture made of human skin and bodies.

[B]

Yep. I believe all that, bro.

[A]

There was. There was in there about. Yeah. The cream pie. About what they would do to small children.

[E]

Babies, bro.

[A]

There were things in there that were. Yeah. Like, I've heard people talk about the Eden baby shit, but that shit is in there.

[B]

Yes.

[E]

Right. Yes, but it was.

[A]

It's in there.

[E]

But. But on the conspiracy tip, they push it that it's like a democratic thing and it's. Anybody that hears it sounds so crazy but it happened. It's just them. It almost makes me think like was that a ploy to make it a rumor about other people being that it was happening? You know what I mean to like spin people. But I'm with Joe certain shit said sounds so outrageous the way it is 2026 I automatically don't believe it. No way.

[B]

Ain't no way is doing them.

[E]

They like that.

[C]

And that's the thing man. When you get behind the scenes and when you get. When you get behind the scenes and when you get. You know this isn't about political parties. This is. This is about rich. I mean uber rich. Uber rich. Thank you.

[A]

Wealthy. Yeah.

[C]

People. The most powerful people in the world. The elites who when they have an opportunity. Opportunity do the most disgusting and depraved things that you can imagine to people and they do it with absolutely no consequence. And that is really that simple.

[B]

Hollywood. Hollywood been telling us.

[C]

Yeah. That's what Teddy Ry was talking about when he was here when he said Michael was trying to save people. He was talking about from Epstein island in particular. Yeah. You know cuz Mike's name is in there, right.

[A]

I. I saw a little bit of that when Teddy was here. I had not understood that.

[B]

No, I understood what he. I know exactly what he was saying in that is like bro, this.

[A]

She couldn't even look at the victims.

[B]

She didn't even look at them. She didn't acknowledge them.

[D]

She talking about the stock market bro.

[B]

She didn't acknowledge they existed as a woman.

[E]

A woman.

[B]

You didn't acknowledge they existed. And the crazy part is six months ago they were saying it was a hoax and it's nothing there. We not letting nothing go because it ain't nothing there.

[E]

It doesn't exist.

[B]

It's 6 million and a year and.

[D]

A half ago they ran on we're going to release all the Epstein until.

[B]

You start seeing the names in the files.

[C]

They saw them files, right? Yeah.

[A]

I'm saying that Trump's name is in there more than God's name.

[B]

38,000 name in the Bible.

[E]

I'm going be real. I am convinced that people that are super racist like people that the people that they move with the fear tactics about us and all that.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

They're slow, they're dumb. If you have any kind of intelligence, no matter how die hard of a Trumper you would feel like they think you're done by now. It would already already clicked that this ain't right by now. So the people that are still with him, it's deeper. It's nothing to do with policy, with racism. You have a full allegiance to this guy. You don't give a what he does. And that's just it. That's why everybody else that was on the fence. It's time to get off of it and pick a side. This is weird. This is extreme. This is a predator. That's crazy.

[A]

Well, I think in the report, right? Like, think the heavens up above that they didn't want no black and brown babies.

[E]

Thank God, bro. I hate.

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

They got other.

[E]

I don't know.

[A]

Do you know what these people must think of black and brown people to not want to do these heinous acts with black brown?

[B]

They got worse. They do worse with us. Joe.

[A]

I'm telling you, I saw somebody say, I wish I. I remembered who said it because it was great. If you said it, retweet that you said it, because you know who I'm talking about. But they was like, once people realize that Pam Bondi is Trump's Ghislaine Max.

[B]

It is exactly who she is. Exactly who it is. Yeah.

[E]

And she didn't pledge.

[A]

And in listening to her and all of that kind of inhumane white nationalist talk, in listening to Cash Patel and all of that inhumane white nationalist talk, like, they didn't seem like they were trying to be covert about at all, bro.

[C]

At all.

[A]

Like, if you were. If you were. If you were in any. Had any doubt that Trump was appointing who he was appointing to these positions. This shit was plain as data.

[D]

We even saw with the Elon Musk tweets. I know he's not as affiliated.

[A]

He down too. All them niggas is down. Here we go. You've got the best lawyer's job in.

[F]

America because your mission is justice and your clients are the American people. But to promote justice for the people, you've got to listen to the victims. Like the women seated behind you today. Those are just some of the hundreds of survivors, survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's global sex trafficking ring who are demanding that the truth be told and are demanding.

[A]

Accountability for the abused. I'm gonna pause it. Even them calling it a global sex trafficking ring understate. Undersells under it understates what was going on. I'll continue.

[F]

Trafficked and raped them. Whether it's Epstein's human trafficking ring or the homicidal governmental violence against citizens in Minneapolis, as Attorney General, you're siding with.

[B]

The perpetrators and you're ignoring the victims.

[F]

That will be your legacy unless you act quickly to change course. You're running a massive Epstein cover up right out of the Department of Justice. You've been ordered by subpoena and by Congress to turn over 6 million documents.

[B]

Photographs and videos in that scene.

[A]

Six million is nuts.

[F]

Over the other 3 million because they're somehow duplicative. But we know that there are actual members of victim statements in there. And you also took down the Department of Justice's prosecution memo from 2019, so it's clearly not all duplicative. But even if it were, why not release it? Just release all the duplicative stuff in.

[E]

The half you did produce.

[F]

You redacted the names of abusers, enablers, accomplices.

[A]

They redacted names from 3 million people.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

That's why we only got 3 million. The exact opposite of what the law ordered you to do.

[F]

Many have kept their torment private, even.

[A]

From family and friends.

[F]

But you.

[A]

Facts. This is craziness.

[F]

Names, their identities, their images on thousands.

[B]

Of pages for the world to see. So you ignored the law. And even with over a hundred thousand employees at your disposal, you acted with.

[F]

Some mixture of staggering incompetence.

[A]

This is not only staggering incompetence. Disheartening, even out of discouraging to dude's.

[B]

Point, of them only having 3 million out of the 6 million. And all of that being redacted. Yeah, we did half of it. We redacted what we did. We shot that out and we'll get the rest out after we finish combing through and redacting that. Yo, we take it. We're gonna get what you're gonna get what we want you to have. One dude said, yo, dog, even out of the 3 million pages, 1 of the. I don't know his name, one of the congressmen, he said, dog, 70% of that was redacted, bro. The was a black line. Black line, black line everywhere. Black box covering this whole. Yo, the dude that he just appointed, I think his name is Carl Nolan. I think know what I'm talking about, bro. He has all types of thesis papers and all types of racist. Jeremy, Carl is his name.

[A]

Tell me how you define white identity and what you think is being erased about white identity.

[B]

Look at you.

[A]

You type Anglo derived culture that comes from our history.

[C]

This is.

[A]

Let me think about this. You know, Senator, I would say if.

[D]

You were to look at the book.

[A]

By one of your former senate colleagues, born fighting about the sort of Scotch Irish military culture and certain you know, pride that went with that. That would be one example. Obviously, you could have sub elements in that culture. You could have Italians, you could have Irish, and those are in many ways more.

[C]

But you're worried about white culture.

[A]

You're not worried about.

[C]

You're now retreating to ethnic identity.

[A]

You don't speak about ethnic identity. You speak about white identity. So tell me the values that stitch together white identity and that make it.

[C]

Different than black identity.

[A]

I would say that the white church is very different than the black church in terms of its tone and style. On average, foodways could often be different.

[C]

Those are being erased.

[A]

Music could be different.

[D]

If you look at the super bowl.

[A]

Halftime show, which was not in English this year, so our ability to access.

[D]

White churches or white food or white.

[C]

Music is being erased.

[A]

I am concerned with the majority common American culture that we had for some time, that through particularly mass immigration, I think has become.

[D]

Become much more Balkanized.

[A]

And I think that weakens us. And again, I'm not running away from that comment. I'm not apologizing for it. I'm way over my time. I think you're struggling to answer this.

[C]

Question right, because underlying your beliefs is.

[A]

Is. Is. Is a sentiment that white culture is just simply better.

[E]

Right, Exactly.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Right.

[E]

I love when they get straightforward.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

Just being frank.

[B]

That's it. That's it right there.

[D]

That's all he said.

[E]

He.

[B]

He just got appointed by the president of the United States for a major position in his cabinet, bro. What the are we talking about? So all of you stupid black people that be like, trump ain't racist. He not racist. He not racist. Yeah, he gonna. He just pardoned some football players. He just pardoned some the other day.

[A]

Jamal.

[B]

Jamal. The from the NFL that got caught with the five birds. I forgot his name. Charles Jamal something. But anyway, to all the black people that's saying, yo, he noticed. Not racist. He not racist. He not racist. Cool. I'm gonna sit up here and tap dance so I could get y' all stupid votes. But every single person that I'm appointing into office is showing their disdain for the marginalized people. And a lot of black people in Hispanic people, unfortunately. And most whites are marginalized. They don't give a about you.

[A]

For them to be talking about Jamal Lewis. For them to be talking about a sex trafficking ring and that lady start talking about the state of Jones, bro.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And how great is doing Jones, bro. And then got mad at them for talking about, what are we talking about? We should be talking about this And y' all are talking about.

[D]

That's not what we're talking about. Ma'. Am.

[B]

Ma'.

[A]

Am.

[B]

What?

[E]

Kids?

[A]

Well, actually, this clip is a little long, but I want to play it. No, please, please. We hear that from a gentleman, that. I'll just play it. Yeah.

[B]

Come on.

[F]

You guys know who Pam Bondi is? The United States Attorney General. It's the first time I saw her in action yesterday. I mean, I knew who she was, but I didn't know how she was.

[B]

Right.

[F]

And she got questioned yesterday about releasing the names of the traffic. The violated former children whose. Whose innocence was currency for power. But not releasing the names of co conspirators while survivors sat behind her waiting for the truth.

[B]

I mean, these.

[F]

These women, these power, powerful women.

[A]

He's giving you a brief update, but once he finished this update, he won't get to it. Listen to him.

[F]

Show of moral courage that no one in this administration has attempted to match yet.

[A]

And he's sitting in the park with some trees if you hear the birds.

[F]

Instead of answering questions, she attacked congressional members personally. And then she turned to the stock market. The dow is over 50, 000 points. The S P is nearing 7,000. NASDAQ smashing records. That's what we should be talking about. It was a deflection so abrupt, it felt like a confession. Members of Congress asked and a lot of us, I think, as what does the stock market have to do with anything?

[A]

Right? Y. And.

[F]

As you saw, Mondi scoffed and mirrored the question and then said, are you kidding me? And people, I believe, incorrectly called it a dodge, a non sequitur. I don't think it was. I think it was a glimpse of the plainest truth slipping through a momentary removal of the veil of decency. Because in her calculus and in the eyes of those who command her, the economy's triumph outweighs the cries of the exploited every single time.

[A]

Hear me out, bars.

[E]

That's a fact.

[A]

Yeah. He made this.

[F]

Stock market was born.

[A]

And I was done in the same.

[F]

Cradle of empire that tracked human beings as cargo.

[A]

Exactly.

[F]

As long as the numbers climb, the moral cost is background noise.

[A]

That's it.

[F]

And this is no accident of history. It's the actual architecture of American ascent to power, refusing to see certain bodies as fully human.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Now, I mean, I know a lot of you guys know what the transatlantic slave trade is, but it rose to power. It ignited in the 1500s, right? And the companies that were responsible for scaling it to an intercontinental enterprise, still the biggest companies today, became so vast, so profitable. They had to do something that no other companies in human history had ever done. They went public. First companies to ever do that. The private company was literally. Actually, it was. Here's crazy thing. It was called the company because it was the biggest company in the world. So people just called it the company. Think about that. And it was too profitable to remain private. So the D. The. The Dutch West Indian company went public in 1621 to fund its empire of extraction and kidnapping. Like today, investors speculated on success. Those who bought shares rooted for the company. Even though victory at that time, Inhumanity was not a byproduct. It was the cause. It was the purpose. It was the engine of the machine. Profit required indifference to suffering.

[C]

Yep.

[F]

And one third of people who were trafficked were under the age of 15, commodified as labor, property, and yes, sex slaves.

[A]

Them birds don't have numbers.

[F]

In the sugar fields of Barbados, the life expectancy for an enslaved person was 25 years old. Burned, died by years of relentless toiling and labor and starvation and brutality. And the system just demanded replacement. Endless replacement. Let's go.

[A]

Let's go.

[F]

Let's keep moving.

[A]

Let's keep moving.

[F]

Don't keep them alive. That doesn't matter. Just rape them and work them to death. There's plenty of humans in Africa, or as they would say, plenty of niggers in Africa, that we can continue to do this to and exploit the precious gifts of God's breath instilled into their souls and usurp them for finally, financial gain. Humans reduced to fractions of profit shares.

[B]

Bro, it's jail. Yeah.

[D]

And the crazy part about it is a lot of fish.

[F]

And that's the genius of the market.

[A]

He's almost done.

[D]

I think there's a different level of genius, too.

[F]

Turning flesh into fungible assets to be bought, divided, traded, work to death and raped. And so now we. We move on to temporarily to child sex trafficking. And it's the same machinery refined. Epstein's network operated in the shadows of that original American capitalistic bargain. And Bondi slip wasn't a slip. I think it was the mask slipping off.

[B]

It's all about the bread.

[F]

Crazy nuts of the market. Amid cries for justice, she's revealing the fian heart of rapacious capitalism. It's rotten to the core. Endless growth demanding endless sacrifice.

[A]

Oh, God.

[F]

Back then it was chains. Now it's hidden rooms. Then it was slave ships. Now it's private jets. And yet we live in the illusion that these are separate stories. One of wealth, one of horror, one of the Past, one of present. And they're not. They're not story told in different eras. They're entwined, one sustaining the other. Since the first stocks funded the first slavers. And today the same indifference endures. Trafficked women, children and people of color.

[A]

The poor.

[F]

They remain disposable. Epstein's network was no aberration generation. It was a contemporary echo where elite power trades in silence and innocent bodies.

[B]

He cooking?

[A]

No.

[B]

Bonnie revealed that he's going.

[A]

It's a long clip, but I got no, you gotta let it play. He's cooking.

[B]

He's cooked.

[F]

Solves the rod on which it is built.

[A]

Oh God. This like Shakespeare, yo. That kicking your ass.

[F]

That's to face ourselves. Not just our past, not just our.

[A]

Present.

[F]

Also our future. Acknowledging how far we've come by refusing to look down at those. The system was built to crush has to stop. We have to name it. We have to name the connection. Because if we keep celebrating the climate while ignoring the backs who bear it, we remain complicit indeed in the oldest American sin.

[D]

They made us complete.

[F]

We cannot heal. We cannot move forward. Past is not prologue when ignored.

[A]

This brother's name is McCad Brooks, actor.

[C]

Y' all know him, right?

[A]

I've seen him somewhere.

[F]

He's on the game.

[C]

He's in a Tyler Perry movie.

[D]

The next level to me is that the.

[E]

The.

[D]

The stock market market is now the. The onus is now even passed on to us. Yes, because we invest in the stock market. People with good jobs have 401's KS that benefit from the stock market that he speaks of raising in profitability.

[A]

That's it.

[D]

So the billionaires pass the book onto the everyday citizen who invests in this game and benefits from this game. And that's.

[B]

So you're unknowingly complicit or unknowingly benefiting from. From the entire game.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

It's crazy.

[D]

So it makes people not give a. Because they're earning.

[B]

Cuz my money, My money is going up.

[E]

That's that capitalism.

[B]

And that's the. That's the crazy game, bro.

[E]

That's why when people have that debate about capitalism, it's really like that's the part that people don't get. It's like capitalism always works. Like somebody's getting. That's the only way it works. Somebody has to get. And this government was built this way. This country is built. The government take care of care of us. We faded government and they hold us down. You know what I mean? We're supposed to have Free health care. That's not like a fancy special thing, right? You pay taxes, you're supposed to get health care. That's how it's supposed to go. That's why everybody else around the world has it. Well, a lot of people around the world has it. I think people forget that even when they get on that high horse of get pull yourself up by your boot traps and working with that all may be cool, but when you break your leg, your government's supposed to hold you down. That's why you pay taxes. That's the whole point.

[D]

We got people like James Vanderbilt, rest in peace who's got to go to public funding.

[B]

I ain't want to full circles. I ain't want to us up and bring it down. But imagine how much money Dawson's Creek made, right? It was one of the biggest shows in the history of television. Yeah, he was the man on the show. He was him. He was him on the show and couldn't pay his health care bill. That's insanity. My America indicative of us, right? And what he said about yo, she said yo dog, all you should be really giving a about is the money. It's really how they feel.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And that be some of my points. Yo dog, the classes point is one that it just gets overlooked with the divide and conquer shit like my they holding everybody. They don't give a about us. They give a. Once you get a certain threshold and get to a certain look. Come on, let that nigga, you know what I'm saying? Now you cool now we could kick it with you but other than that that you. You're an ant on the ground.

[A]

Yeah, collateral damage. Totally understood. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah bro. Seriously cuz, this is. That's why depressing.

[E]

That's why you block it out. That's the whole thing. That's why you don't watch it out. But just up y' all say that I don't. I wasn't looking at that. That's too much for me and I get it, you know what I mean? Because your mental health support and I'm somebody that can watch the news and get bummed out to the point of tears. You know what I mean? So I get that the same. But all that ignoring consistently for that's irresponsible like you especially as a. I mean how you going to know they going to come and slavery starts on the 10th if you're not keeping up.

[B]

With what the first going on like.

[E]

You have to know what's up.

[B]

And that's my point too. Like, yo, right now, it's the Spanish fam. We next.

[E]

We next. We are next. Absolutely. You know they going to come get you. They going to come get you first. And I'm, you know, just being honest. That's fine. I'm.

[C]

She looking at you?

[E]

No, they gonna have you on that bus saying different phrases and to see if you really American because you look a little guala.

[B]

They told a. In Brooklyn, he told a. Suck his dick about a hundred times. They said, oh, yeah, let him go. He from here. Leave him alone. Yo, N, this is depressing. It's scary.

[A]

It is.

[B]

US Steel, all of those companies dog was built off of. He talking about.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Makai Brooks for that brilliant analysis.

[E]

Yeah, that was really well put.

[A]

Did y' all want to talk about. Did y' all want to talk about the Rock and Roll hall of Fame?

[B]

Oh, yeah, man.

[A]

The Rock and Roll hall of Fame.

[C]

So Gene Simmons, the bassist from Kiss, said that rap music, hip hop, does not belong in the Rock and Roll Roll hall of Fame. Now, fairness, he said, other things don't too, like classical music and, you know, other things, he said, it's not some. It's not rock and roll. It shouldn't be in there.

[B]

And just be for some more context. Jean Simmons do this every couple years. Like, he's been on hip hop, specifically Jean Simmons, for years.

[D]

His don't got enough slaps for all this.

[A]

He has, yo.

[B]

Like, y' all was all right. My.

[E]

Before this, when he would be talking down on hip hop, he never went, like, too racist with it. It was just more hip hop based. I feel like this.

[B]

This climate comfortable.

[E]

Exactly. I feel like every time. Every time, the same people that used to pull up to the light and look straight and I look at you, they cut you off. They, you know, they get a little bold. Right? But he says on the interview at one point something about like, well, I'm not from the ghetto.

[B]

And that was like, to me, we know that was the real telltale part. That part when he said, I'm not from the ghetto. Because his music opinion. Because the. The analogy that he gave was saying, yo, if that's the case, let Led Zeppelin into the Hip Hop hall of Fame, right? So you might have an argument when he said the ghetto piece, it was like, oh, okay, now you throwing a certain stigma on hip hop.

[A]

Irrelevant to his point.

[B]

Yes, irrelevant is irrelevant. The real funny shit is ask him where his mom's is from. His mom's is from the real. The real ghettos, like Nazi Germany like they escaped.

[C]

Yeah, they escaped. He was born in Haifa in Israel. But yeah, they were.

[E]

To have your mother be from there and then say you're not from the ghetto. So powerful is crazy.

[C]

I mean, let me read this now just for context.

[B]

Right, Go ahead.

[C]

He said it's not just. He said, it's not my music. I don't come from the ghetto. It doesn't speak my language. And as I said in print many times, hip hop does not belong in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, nor does opera or symphony orchestras. How come the New York Philharmonic doesn't get into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? Because it's called the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And then one more thing. He said he's a bright. He said, Ice Cube and I had a back and forth about this. He's a bright guy and I respect what he's done. He shot back that it's the spirit of rock and roll. So Ice Cube and Grandmaster Flash and all these guys are in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. I just want to know when Led Zeppelin's gonna be in the Hip Hop hall of Fame.

[A]

They might be.

[D]

When the Levy Breaks is pen isn't.

[C]

The worst argument I've ever heard. Honestly.

[B]

Look, that was my point. I don't think his argument is bad until he starts.

[E]

The ghetto is bad.

[B]

The ghetto and all of that other stuff. Because to his point, yo, the opera not in the hall of Fame, right. They not going to go get these genres of music and put it in the hall of Fame.

[F]

Cool.

[B]

When you say the ghetto now, you putting this stigma on hip hop music and all hip hop music is. Is not some ghetto.

[D]

There's also been some. Plenty of rock music that came from the ghetto.

[B]

Ghetto. A lot of white people live in the ghetto.

[C]

See, I feel like that's beside. Let's say we all agree the ghetto shit was out of pocket, right?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Let's assume he's the biggest racist in the world. That doesn't change the argument.

[B]

Right. If his argument is none of these other genres.

[A]

Right.

[C]

None of these other genres that aren't rock and roll are in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Why should hip hop be in the rock and roll? That's what I'm wondering.

[B]

What's the argument for opposed to that?

[A]

I don't think that that's a bad argument from him. I think it's fair.

[B]

True.

[A]

My response to that would be, well, first off, I'm biased. I believe that hip hop belongs anywhere you put it. Part of that Is because it encompasses all things. So when you say that Outkast is in hip hop, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, I believe that they should be and they have to plenty of rock elements in their music. When you talk about Chuck D and Public Enemy being in there, more the same. Run dmc. More the same. Some of the hip hop act. You can't say that for some of the rock and roll acts. That has nothing to do with hip hop. So why would it be in the hip hop all day? That would be my response.

[D]

I also don't have a concrete evidence.

[C]

I'm straight to the point, but I wouldn't agree with that.

[D]

I'm sure there's some rock and roll acts in the hall of fame or will be in the future that incorporated hip hop shit into it. So like what are we even about talking, talking about.

[E]

I hate that the comparison is like, oh well, what about the Hip Hop hall of Fame? As if the. In my opinion, the Rock the Roll hall of Fame and the Hip Hop hall of Fame are on the same levels. You know what I mean?

[C]

That's why I don't want to be in the Rock and roll. My bigger point is I don't want to be in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Fuck their hall of Fame.

[E]

Exactly. But it's always like that.

[A]

But why wait, why is that their hall of Fame? When we invented Rock and Roll.

[C]

No, no, no. I don't mean, I don't mean that black people shouldn't be in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame because we have created it. I'm talking about just hip hop. I'm saying I'm, I want hip hop that black people created to be in the Hip Hop hall of Fame. And I want rock that black people created to be in the Rock hall of Fame. I'm just saying this should be a.

[A]

Music hall of fame. Yeah.

[C]

Put everything in there.

[B]

That's kind of his point though. If this is just the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, if it's the Music hall of Fame, then yeah, Classical Philharmonic, all of that should all. If we allow it hip hop, then we should be allowing it all.

[A]

I would love, I would have loved to hear more of that in his messaging about just changing the name of the hall of Fame versus insulting hip hop and saying.

[B]

And again, like I said, he's conscious.

[A]

Of his true thoughts. Came out.

[B]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[C]

To be clear, he said more. He said hip hop is just spoken word put to a beat. Like he, he, he dismissed hip hop is Mostly production.

[B]

It rides on the production. Like he said. He's. Over the years have been taking his digs at hip hop.

[E]

But he's older, he's outdated, he's stupid. Because at the end of the day, even with the ghetto line hip hop, I'm not from the ghetto. Hip hop was birthed in the ghetto. Hip hop is huge billion dollar business in Japan. Here, there, whatever. That's the hip hop is not a ghetto thing. It just comes from the ghetto. So I don't get to.

[B]

I think you about to go.

[D]

Kiss ain't got enough slaps, dog.

[B]

My.

[A]

I like that argument.

[E]

They had to wear face.

[C]

There's some people who can have this conversation.

[E]

Ugly. All of them are very ugly men.

[C]

That was kind of the thing they sh.

[B]

Like. I think this will use like, yo, dog. Fuck they shit like, yo have them wanting to come to our. Like, I don't want to be at they door trying to get into their hall of Fame. If they don't want us there, y', all, we're going to create our own hall of fame. I'm tired of us being like, y' all want to go to the white school. I want to go to here. I want to go to that shit.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

To where the white people want to.

[E]

Come to our school.

[A]

Agree.

[C]

But I don't want to normalize the idea that rock and roll roll is that them is us.

[A]

True.

[D]

I'm sorry.

[B]

We are the birthers. We're all.

[D]

I don't want to normalize the fact the Kiss has any say what the Rock and Roll hall of Fame has to do with anything.

[A]

Who the are you?

[D]

You're not the board of Rock and Roll hall of Fame, Jean Simmons or Kiss.

[B]

I thought KISS had slaps out of here.

[A]

One of them.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

They are branding. They are branded band.

[B]

You know, the.

[E]

More from earlier branders.

[D]

I don't want his. I want his opinions being a reflection. I have nothing to do with the rock and roll of fame.

[A]

But his.

[D]

His opinions are not a reflection of what the Rock and Roll hall of.

[E]

Fame die hard rock of all fans are. KISS fans. Like, I just. That's not. You're not. That's not your top 10.

[D]

I love rock and roll. I've never bought a Kiss album, put on a KISS record. Yeah. They might have a slap or two that you reckon they got a couple.

[B]

They have a couple slaps. We ain't gonna do that.

[A]

But nice. We all agree. Jean Simmons.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Do we care about Chuck D's response? I misstated shout out To Chuck D Bubble.

[B]

Yeah, you got them together real quick.

[D]

It is, but we can easy streaming, man.

[B]

You know, he's going to issue his point. I mean, he's a rock God, you know, but what he fails to realize is that it's the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and everything else other than rock. When rock and roll splintered in the 60s is the role. And soul music, reggae, hip hop, which is rap music, you know, because hip hop is a culture. Put that on 400 embodies sound, story and style. But music, the, the vocal on top of the music has already been determined. So that's the role, that's the flow, that's the soul in it. Yeah, Kiss are rock gods, but nope, they don't have a lot of role to them. I'm Black, born in 1960. Being told that I don't believe belong doesn't even phase me. I. I really relished opportunity that, that I'm able to even be in the music business at all. And thank God for hip hop and rap music making it possible. If somebody would have told me in 12th grade in 1977 that I would be making records of being in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, even, or whatever, number one, I would have been scratching my head, my head like doing as what? You know, I had no idea. So, you know, we're in a town with everybody saying everything at the same time. Nobody's really listening. So Gene is going to probably scream out that probably for the rest of his life. And, you know, he's, he's entitled to his opinion and he's dealt in, you know, into the music for so long that his opinion is probably going to be stuck to him. However, you know, I been, you know, a musicologist of note. I'm not a plug guy, but I just recently put out this, this week and, and then I taught a UCLA class for 10 weeks on exactly the threads of what the culture is about, how the music is, is, is related. Not just 100 years back and. Or 150 years back in documentation, but how it goes back, you know, maybe a thousand years.

[A]

So love each other.

[B]

You know, those who really, you know, were in the middle of the muck creating something out of nothing, you got.

[A]

To consider that too.

[B]

If hip hop created something out of nothing as a culture with rap music, that's no more different than, you know, somebody playing a chord on the side of a shack during slavery. But then again, people calling slavery forced labor right now. So we got, we got to just watch the narratives and we Just got to understand that, you know, people going to. They're going to stay with their beliefs, you know, to the day they die. So don't try to change them.

[A]

All right, we got shout to Chuck. Hey, Chuck. You. You much more than I am.

[D]

He's way better.

[A]

Jean Simmons. How about that?

[B]

There you.

[A]

Go. And the last. And the last little piece of our racist and bigot segment, the Ring, amidst backlash from that commercial that they put out over the super bowl, got rid of their little dog finding program catcher. The Ring has ended its partnership with Flock, a tech surveillance company that works with police. Days after Ring's super bowl ad, boasting a feature to help find missing dog sparked controversy. Following a comprehensive review, we determined the planned Flock safety integration would require significantly more time and resources than anticipated. As a result, we have made the joint decision to cancel the planned integration, Ring said in a Feb. 12 statement. The integration never launched, so no Ring customer videos were ever sent to Flock safety, end quote. In October 2025, the Home Security device company announced a partnership with Flock, which uses a network of surveillance technology, including license plate readers. Oh, man. Dogs got cars. License plate readers, and video detection to help law enforcement agencies. So, yes, your voice matters. Your protest works sometimes. Round of applause. Round of applause for the ring seemingly doing the right thing and taking credit for that one.

[C]

Not me, but y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Like, this was like, we wanted to make major outlets that spoke out about this.

[A]

Yeah, it's true, bro. That was a mess.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, taking credit for what? All they said is we ain't connecting to the feds no more. We still got the service running the. Is still automatically on through all of your rings. Like I'm telling people, yo, you got a ring. Go into the settings.

[A]

Settings.

[B]

It's opted in automatically. Go into your settings and turn this off to say what?

[C]

Turn off the surveillance.

[B]

Turn off the. The watch party to where that. That whole. That's. That feature is still running on everybody's rings right now. What they're saying is they had partnered up with that. Yeah, don't fall for this. That they telling y'. All. Flock about to find another engine. No. They're gonna change the name or that. That's it. We're not with Flock no more. Now we're gonna. It's called frack.

[A]

I would urge people to then. If what Ice is saying is true, then to not go in your ring settings and opt out. I would urge you to find another carrier for your.

[C]

Unplug that for your video.

[D]

There is other ones.

[B]

Go hardwired get your wired surveillance system with the little box like we had back in the day.

[C]

The little.

[B]

The little hard drive. Do your own wire. All. All that. Once you start clouting, I hate to be the one to tell y', all, they got you. They got you. Once you start with them clouds and all of that, you can access it from your phone. Yeah, that sounds like it's good, and it helps you out. But you ain't the only one that can access it, because they did that one. That's everything.

[D]

And they could also shut them down.

[B]

Exactly. They did that. One of my houses got raided.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I had the service off that was on my phone for, like, a week for free.

[A]

My tip call fan down.

[B]

I was like, oh. Like, yo, it was on my. For like, a week. I didn't even. I ain't pay for it.

[C]

I was waiting for it.

[B]

He right. Yeah, man. Like, just. Yo, the hardwired.

[A]

Yeah. And there you have it, man. Hey, come on, man.

[B]

What's that, big dog?

[A]

You know that's the joint, man. I'm ending on. I'm ending our racist segment the right way. Oh, man.

[C]

Little rock and roll all night.

[E]

I got it.

[A]

Won't play now.

[D]

Look at that.

[B]

Hate when that happened, right?

[A]

Here we go. Cheer this up a little bit, man. Y' all looking down and out. Cam Bondi got y' all tight in the face.

[B]

It.

[A]

There you go. Bars you can jam. Hey, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Kisha, you should have them write the song. That. That T is just. Hey. All right. Stephon Diggs went to court. He pled not guilty, of course. Who knows? We'll see what's going on with that. That's the end of my reporting. I'm not a journalist.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Does anyone else have anything that is weighing on their hearts, soul, souls, spirits, minds, bodies?

[D]

I think we did it.

[E]

Lunch.

[B]

I think we did it. Man, that do smell like.

[A]

I want to be hungry every time she come, but it do smell good.

[B]

That one smell like salt.

[A]

And it's her birthday.

[B]

And it's her birthday.

[E]

It was ribs in here the other day, bro.

[A]

But lunchtime is for the people that got here on at the right time.

[B]

You've been here hours.

[A]

I saw him hungry.

[E]

That is bullshit.

[A]

Oh, man. All right, listen. I think I am done with you guys. But because I have a heart, and this is one of the more beautiful things I've ever heard before I end, I leave you with a word from James Vanderbeek himself.

[G]

Define myself as an actor.

[E]

Right.

[A]

Yep.

[G]

Today's my birthday, and. And it has been the hardest year of my life. And I wanted to share something that I learned with y'.

[A]

All.

[G]

When I was younger. I used to define myself as an actor, right. Which was never really all that fulfilling. And then I became a husband, and that was much better. And then I became a father, and that was the ultimate. I could define myself then as a loving, capable, strong, supportive husband, father, provider, steward of the land that we're so lucky to live on. And for a long time, that felt like a really good definition to the question, who am I? What am I? And then this year, I had to look my own mortality in the eye. I had to come nose to nose with death. And all of those definitions that I cared so deeply about were stripped from me. I was away for treatment. So I could no longer be a husband that was helpful to my wife. I could no longer be a father who could pick up his kids and put them to bed and be there for them. I could not be a provider because that wasn't working. I couldn't even be a steward of the land because at times, I was too weak to prune all the trees during the window that you're supposed to prune them. And so I was faced with the question, if I am just a too skinny, weak guy alone in an apartment with cancer, what am I? And I meditated. And the answer came through. I am worthy of God's love simply because I exist. And if I'm worthy of God's love, shouldn't I also be worthy of my own? And the same is true for you. And as I move through this healing portal toward recovery, I wanted to share that with you because I think that revelation that came to me was due in no small part to all the prayers and the love that had been directed toward me. So I offer that to you. However it sits in your consciousness, however it resonates, run with it. And if the word God trips you up, I certainly don't know what God is or explain God. My efforts to connect to God are an ongoing process that is a constant, unfolding mystery to me. But if it's a trigger, it feels too religious. You can take the word God out and your mantra can simply be, I am worthy of love, Because you are. Thank you for the love and prayers, everyone. Have a blessed day.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Don't put that on no more, man.

[A]

I think it's really important to hear what people have do to. To say, especially while they're on their deathbed.

[B]

Got me a Little teary.

[A]

No. I'm about to say for the people out there wondering. I cried. Is that my phone?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. And you're scared.

[E]

Don't never stop playing Word.

[A]

They just keep. Rest in peace. James Vanderby.

[B]

Rest in peace.

[A]

Thoughts and prayers to your family. Thank you for your service. That was. Thank you for the word.

[B]

That was real.

[A]

Thank you for the word. I appreciate. Appreciate it.

[C]

We needed it.

[A]

My last time asking if anybody here has anything that they need. All right, say less. We did it then.

[B]

Yo, this one. This is the other joint you used to like. We gonna do.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was your.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Yo, thank you all for listening. Hopefully you enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoyed delivering it. I enjoyed it much more because it's my girl Big Demona's birthday. Hey, hey, Juicy. Tonight, when my girl celebrating.

[E]

Is what.

[A]

I want to hear in the background. Juicy. Not in Delaware.

[B]

Not that little ghetto in the hood.

[A]

Yeah, no. Yo, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you a do farewell. Adio, Saviva di Hasta la vista.

[E]

Au revoir.

[A]

So long, goodbye.

[E]

That tonight's gonna be a good night.

[A]

That tonight's gonna so next time, man, y' all hold it down. Last but certainly not least, remember the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel, and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. I know what the Mona doing this weekend. What y' all on this weekend? What y' all doing this weekend?

[D]

Just love my baby Valentine's Day.

[A]

Yo, I'm so in love, baby. If I didn't tell you in these seven years. Oh, girl, girl, girl. Wow. Yo, you complete me, girl. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so happy. I'm so happy to be here with you. I'm so happy you're here with me. Thank you for completing me. You are so important to my life, baby. Happy Valentine's Day to all the couples out there. Happy Valentine's Day. If you're a couple and you happen to have been fighting all week, my heart goes out to you as well. Hold it down. Down. If you a dude, don't say nothing you might regret. Keep it cute. Keep it cute. You can still go out. You can still go out to dinner. You can have the silent dinner where you just not. Not talking. Go ahead. You know what she like. Go ahead and order a favorite appetizer. Come on.

[B]

You better still take out, though.

[C]

Take out. Definitely take out.

[B]

Don't think that just cuz y' all in the fight like you still got to go out.

[C]

You.

[B]

You better show up. Happy Valentine's Day, baby. I love you.

[D]

Happy Valentine's Day.

[C]

Happy Valentine. Valentine's Day. And if y' all out there in Arkansas on the.

[A]

What a crackhead. Why are the Philly people from this podcast such crackheads? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

God damn.

[C]

Jesus.

[A]

You Philly crackheads. Anyway, this weekend, if you in western Westchester, y' all will be out there selling Popeyes. Make sure you get one. The chickens are a hot, hot item. They go first.

[E]

I got my money. Let's spin it up. Let's spin it up.

[A]

Go out and smash.

[E]

Smash it like on my. Jump out that sofa. Come on, let's get. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

No, Joe.

[E]

But jbp. Jbp.

[B]

We'll fold that up right now.

[A]

You've never heard.