Episode 904 | "The Couch of Few Words"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 904 | "The Couch of Few Words"

Date: February 18, 2026

Host: Joe Budden

Guests/Co-hosts: Parks, Ish, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, Ice

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Joe Budden Podcast offers a lively blend of comedic banter, family debate, music reviews, and cultural critique characteristic of Joe and his friends. The crew tackles everything from parental expectations and education, to the quality of All-Star Weekend, to the viral America’s Next Top Model documentary, and memorializes figures like Jesse Jackson and Robert Duvall. True to form, the show moves seamlessly between sharp takes, jokes, and personal stories, providing a mix of honesty, humor, and the unpredictability fans expect.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parental Expectations, Education & Career Disappointments

[00:31-13:15]

• The conversation kicks off with Mark Lamont Hill joking about abandoning a college fund, triggering a deeper dive into the uncomfortable realities parents face when kids’ outcomes don’t match expectations.
• Trade School vs. Academic Track: Mark argues for valued trade programs, while Ish shares experiences of schools tracking kids toward retail or manual labor early, sparking a debate on dignity and disappointment.
• Parental Investment: Mark expresses that spending $90K/year on college only for a child to become a nail tech would be frustrating. Joe pushes back: “So the money that you spent in your investment means and matters more than your child at any point figuring out what they want to do, love doing, and end up doing?” (Joe, 05:42)
• They highlight the “privilege problem” and generational shifts in what careers are seen as successful.
• Mark admits, “I’d accept [a non-traditional career choice], but I’d still be pissed because of how much money I put into it.” (Mark, 05:54)
• A move into whether “all parents want better for their kids” leads to reflections on cycles of disappointment, privilege, and generational trauma.
• Quote: “Some of you parents out there is losers, and think you didn’t pass down your loser game. What you expect your kid to do? Nigga, look at you!” (Joe, 13:01)

2. Valentine's Day Stories & Relationship Dynamics

[16:32-28:44]

• Joe and co. share stories from Valentine’s Day, including Joe’s girlfriend wanting to "take off" Valentine’s Day—and the miscommunication that followed about “taking the day off” meaning different things.
• The group teases Ish about his Valentine “flex,” including wearing boxers with his girlfriend’s face on them.
• Parks jokes about “head-ass” love displays; consensus: they love doing over-the-top romantic stuff.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • “She said offset.” (Ish, 18:03)
  • “You said offset. He’s making a take off.” (Mark, 18:04)

3. Concert Reviews: New Edition, Boyz II Men, Toni Braxton, Jill Scott

[30:34-54:17]

• The crew reviews recent concerts at the Prudential Center (New Edition, Boyz II Men, Toni Braxton) and Jill Scott at Blue Note.
• Sound issues at the concert are discussed: “From what I could hear, the show when the mics were on—it was great… But it may have only been a third of the time.” (Parks, 32:52)
• Standout performances are praised: “Ralph did do what I got to do. Ralph bodied.” (Joe, 40:32)
• Age/legacy of performers is noted; “These steps was made for a 60-year-old. They made those Motown steps look old….” (Joe, 37:03)
• Jill Scott’s show is described as a “warm hug”: “It was like the warmest hug you ever felt in your life on Valentine's Day.” (Parks, 43:44)
• They touch on how seeing artists live changes perceptions of albums.
• Timestamps:
  • New Edition concert review: [30:34-43:38]
  • Jill Scott at Blue Note: [43:40-54:28]

4. NBA All-Star Weekend: Critiques and Highlights

[55:40-66:47]

• The group critiques the scheduling, lack of atmosphere, and corporate feel of All-Star Weekend.
• Praise for Damian Lillard’s Three-Point Contest performance; dunk contest universally trashed: “We’d be better off putting a trash can at half-court and dunking paper balls.” (Joe, 60:49)
• Discussion on absence of “urban dynamic” at All-Star, longing for the days when “drug dealers...were the ones that got shit lit.”
• All agree the actual All-Star Game itself was unusually competitive this year, with major props given to Victor Wembanyama’s intensity.

5. America’s Next Top Model Docuseries: Tyra Banks Hammered

[74:46-92:20]

• Joe and Parks dissect the new Netflix docuseries exposing abuse in America’s Next Top Model, calling Tyra Banks “an absolute monster.”
• Explosive details are recounted: racial microaggressions towards Black contestants, on-camera sexual assault, forced dental work, blackface, insensitive photo shoots including “dead models.”
• Quote: “Tyra Banks needs her own independent cell underground.” (Joe, 76:39)
• They criticize the lack of apology or accountability from Tyra: “She didn’t apologize for anything. Actually, she doubled down on most of it...” (Joe, 88:12)

6. Tributes: Jesse Jackson & Robert Duvall

[95:02-104:15]

• Dr. Mark Lamont Hill delivers an eloquent, emotional tribute to civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson.
  • “Jesse Jackson is the epitome of the wounded healer. He was hurt and he was harmed, but he never stopped trying to heal the world…” (Mark, 100:44)
• Brief mention of Robert Duvall’s passing, celebrating his acting legacy.

7. Rapid-Fire Topics & Notable Moments

• Desus’ New Show "Desus Pieces": The crew critiques the lackluster trailer for Desus’ new content series (“What happened? Where'd you go?” Joe, 110:01), expressing disappointment in how culture figures sometimes disengage, then return only to sell a product.
• Lil Wayne & LaRussell Discourse:
  • LaRussell is under fire for saying he developed "disdain" for Wayne’s lack of lyrical content as he got older. The crew points out that young rappers need to be more careful discussing legends. ([121:38-137:01])
  • “You gotta earn the right to even talk about people.” (Joe, 132:37)
• Michael Jordan Viral Moment: Jordan attempts to break ice out of a boy’s shorts at a NASCAR race, leading to wild (and, they feel, irresponsible) internet accusations. “Y’all can’t assume that Michael Jordan is fondling a kid’s buttocks.” (Joe, 138:17)
• LifeTouch/Epstein Scare: Discussion of how LifeTouch, a major school photographer, was reportedly exposed in Epstein files, raising concerns about privacy and child safety.
• Dr. Umar’s School: Dr. Umar announces the completion of his long-awaited school, drawing applause from the group.
• Obama/Aliens: Briefly, Obama stirs the internet by appearing to confirm, then walk back, beliefs about extraterrestrials.

8. Battle Rap & Geechi Gotti Incident

• The crew addresses battle rapper Hitman Holla’s criticisms, asserting their fair and frequent coverage of battle rap, and clarifying that their concern regarding Geechi Gotti’s recent robbery incident was about the struggles of Black men, not battle rap drama.
  • “I personally was never having a battle rap conversation when I was talking [about] Geechi Gotti.” (Joe, 162:29)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Parental Disappointment:
  • “As a parent, there's just certain Ls you got to take as a parent.” (Joe, 11:28)
• On America’s Next Top Model:
  • “Tyra Banks needs her own independent cell underground...” (Joe, 76:39)
  • “She didn't apologize for anything. Actually, she doubled down in most of it, outside of maybe one of the race swaps.” (Joe, 88:06)
• On All-Star Weekend:
  • “It’s all too corporate for sure. ... We do need drug dealers and all that drug dealers attract. ... They were the ones that was gonna get your shit lit.” (Joe, 63:18)
• On LaRussell & Wayne:
  • “You have to earn the right to speak about certain people. Lil Wayne is on that list.” (Joe, 132:37)
• Jesse Jackson Eulogy:
  • “He's the epitome of the wounded healer. He was hurt and he was harmed, but he never stopped trying to heal the world.” (Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, 100:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Parental Expectations & Disappointments: [00:31–13:15]
• Valentine’s Day/Romantic Life: [16:32–28:44]
• Concert Reviews (New Edition, Jill Scott): [30:34–54:28]
• NBA All-Star Weekend Recap: [55:40–66:47]
• America’s Next Top Model Doc Critique: [74:46–92:20]
• Jesse Jackson Tribute: [95:02–104:15]
• Desus Pieces/New Media Critique: [106:00–116:12]
• Lil Wayne/LaRussell Discourse: [121:38–137:01]
• Michael Jordan ‘Ice’ Viral Moment: [137:01–139:41]
• Geechi Gotti & Battle Rap: [160:41–166:46]

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Tone & Style

Warm, irreverent, and candid throughout. The hosts swing between heartfelt tributes, sharp-edged critique, and teasing camaraderie. No one is spared—each member and topic gets both earnest reflection and comedic roasting.

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Summary for New Listeners

Episode 904 is a quintessential Joe Budden Podcast ride—funny, random, deep, infuriating, but never dull. From dissecting parental anxieties, the sad reality of educational tracking, and the cost of chasing dreams, to clowning Tyra Banks’ misdeeds and debating All-Star Weekend’s lack of soul, it’s a blend of Black cultural commentary, music fanhood, sincere tributes, and hilarious shade. If you missed it, you’ll leave feeling caught up both on what matters and what made them laugh, with a few new things to argue about yourself.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna break it. I'm gonna break it to my siblings soon.

[Ish]

Let them know we can stop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That college fund.

[Ish]

Prepare for. Prepare for plan B. Let's get that plan B ready.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. All that money you save in college, you can splurge a little every month, have dessert, take a vacation.

[Ish]

You will not need that money. You will need that money. You will not need it. You might get a grant. Scholarship.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He'll get a grant.

[Ish]

Teach you how to make license plates for free. Yo, that's crazy. You terrible.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Ish]

That's horrible. Is that bad, though? Yes.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Ish]

When you. I'm not. It's a horrible realization. Is that bad when you know it. Not saying you're telling that person. Yes, you do know.

[Joe Budden]

When you know what. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Well, you know what?

[Ish]

Well, you know, this one not going to probably be as successful audience.

[Joe Budden]

They talking about.

[Ish]

I wasn't the one that said it.

[Joe Budden]

When you know a child is. Won't be a success story. Horrible. Yeah, that's what they're talking about.

[Ish]

No, they. Mark and Ice specify the days Mark.

[Joe Budden]

And Ice are talking about when you know your kid or a kid that just isn't going to make it far in life, which I don't know how they got there. I wasn't here. So I'm still warming up. I'm still warming up. Take it away.

[Ish]

Go ahead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We were talking about the high school tracks. Cause it's like, you know, they got like the academic track for kids is going to college and AP this and AP that. But like we were saying, like, sometimes you need to bring that auto body shop back. You need to bring some things back.

[Ish]

I agree with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But then you said in one school, they got like, they had.

[Ish]

I was telling you. Yeah, they had cash registers. Because it was like, some of y' all are gonna be retail. So we gonna. Yo, we gonna prep y' all early. I said a day high school.

[Joe Budden]

They had a shop. Right. What school you went to again?

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

What school? That was.

[Ish]

That was Elizabeth.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

Said they. I wasn't in that. They was prepping for. Some of y' all weren't gonna get there.

[Joe Budden]

They had.

[Ish]

They had.

[Joe Budden]

They had paperback Home economics.

[Ish]

No, he talking about clean up on aisle six.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, there was a cash register.

[Ish]

They had a real auto body shop. Like, people literally bringing their cars there to get their cars working. They had a real metal. Like, metal teaching you metalworking. Not just a class, but a real shop. And they had the shop right for the motherfuckers who. We don't need to give you AP History or English because you're not going no further than this. That's terrible. Yeah, we don't need to give y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's disrespectful.

[Ish]

That's hard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell me my kid is going to go to auto shop. I might not like it. I might make some. Yeah, I mean, I may ask some questions, but if you tell me my kid is gonna be a greeter.

[Ish]

No, bro, but it's not saying that that's what your kid gonna be. We're just gonna give you these tools because these are most likely. These are the tools that's probably going to benefit you more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The tools are folding.

[Ish]

Knowing the difference between Linen, Aisle two.

[Joe Budden]

Right. What comes next.

[Ish]

Out of here? Prepping my kid for the produce.

[Joe Budden]

Furious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm going to be furious.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the difference between a cherry tomato. You better get the fuck out of here.

[Ish]

I'm good, bro.

[Joe Budden]

You're not doing it. Is there a profession that y' all will be disappointed in if your kid came back, too? Like Mark is saying, it shouldn't involve folding things. Like, if your daughter came to you and was like, pop, Old Navy, I want to eventually own a bunch of wash and folds, but I'm starting with this one. It's not paying me much. It's in a bad part of town, but it's going to get me to where I got to go. Would you be disappointed in that?

[Ish]

No. Because you stated the end goal already.

[Joe Budden]

But if you just worked at the Wash and Fold.

[Ish]

How old are you?

[Joe Budden]

Call it 23. Oh, hell no. Wait.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shooting a bad part of town.

[Ish]

Washington folding you 23.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Something went wrong.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I went wrong somewhere.

[Ish]

I fucked up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I ain't gonna hold you 18.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. She didn't go to college and she's 18 and she's working. Yeah, I'm fine with this.

[Ish]

I still might feel I fucked up a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I still probably be trying to hook her up.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all daughters grow up in their nail techs. Oh, man. All right, see, no, look, I'm about to say. I'm about to sound like Shorty. I love girl Dads. Yo, never mind. We don't have to get in school. Never mind.

[Ish]

What was Shorty name who that you used to work with at State of the Culture?

[Joe Budden]

I worked with a bunch of amazing women at State of the Culture. You mean on air? Behind.

[Ish]

No, the one that said the bus.

[Joe Budden]

Shit. Ebony Williams. Ebony K. Williams.

[Ish]

I mean, she got to be leaning toward owning the Nell Tech Salon. That has to be a goal at some point for me.

[Parks]

I'm not sure where this is going.

[Joe Budden]

Are you smart?

[Ish]

18 working as Delta? I ain't say 18.

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking age.

[Ish]

Cause you said 18.

[Joe Budden]

From the old. You know, you back 23 again. Now is you back 23, 25 even.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To me, it's all in relation to the investment. I've just invested too much in money for that to be the outcome. I just made my. That makes sense. I made my last college tuition payment for my youngest daughter last week.

[Joe Budden]

No, don't.

[Parks]

Yeah, do.

[Ish]

I didn't spend 90k a year.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I spent 90k a year on her college tuition. If she decides she wants to be a nail tech, I'm gonna be mad as shit. There's nothing wrong with being a nail tech. Ibe just could have did that a lot cheaper. The amount of money I spent on college, I could have bought her a shop.

[Joe Budden]

Right. So the money that you spent in your investment means and matters more than your child. At any point figuring out what they want to do, love doing, and end.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up doing it, it would just affect how I feel about it. Ultimately, I would accept it, but I'd still be pissed because of how much money I put into it.

[Ish]

And I think it's. I still think it depends on what your end game is. So if you start out as a nail tech, that's cool. But at some point in the future, you want to own your own nail spa. Cool. You want to start hiring estheticians, you want to hire these people? Like, I'm not mad at that. When we go get our nails done, they make hella money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We y' all two get your nails done.

[Parks]

Yeah, together.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, you've seen my nails. Be beautiful.

[Ish]

No, no, no. I'm saying the place that he goes together. No, the place he goes. I used to go to, they packed the spot I go to now, they make mad bread. So I wouldn't dissuade my from wanting to go that route, but I just think that you shouldn't be just content with being a nail tech forever. That's my opinion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good with any job. Just dignity and all labor.

[Ish]

Here you go with your bullshit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. I'm just saying. But don't make me spit. Don't make me pay for you to do it.

[Parks]

But you did.

[Joe Budden]

But nobody made you do it.

[Ish]

All right, so wait, Mark, wait.

[Joe Budden]

Who made you do that?

[Ish]

She could have.

[Joe Budden]

Who made him do that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She told me she wanted to go to college.

[Ish]

Yeah, at 17. And then you switch up, you change and then you realize I don't want to do this no more. But now I'm already invested in that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Could have.

[Joe Budden]

Investment. You talking about college? You're not even talking about like paying school up until.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't forget cuz that one maybe I.

[Joe Budden]

Could kind of understand where you going. Maybe the private school you paid for college. Whoop.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They do proxy opposite, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please, Joe, that is expensive. My. I know it is. But you, you. I guess the people that do it and I'll stay out of this cuz this is not my area. I guess the people that do it do. Do it with expectation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. She told me she wanted to be a lawyer. No.

[Ish]

Or you just. We've been taught this, right? We all have been taught. And I think, I think, I think the sentiment is now changing. But to get ahead in this world, there are certain things that you have to do. Yep.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ish]

That's what we've been taught. So go to college. Get yourself equipped to get a certain type of job that's going to sustain a future for you and your family. We've been taught that. Now we are on the influencer entrepreneurial thing. But there's still skills needed to do that. But if you spent dog. My kids daycare is high as shit. I used to know that shit is high. And then when you start going to middle school, high school, some of these high schools are 30K. You spent $30,000 a year to put your kid in school from middle school to 12th grade. And then they go to school for 90k a year for the next four to five years. Because a lot of these degrees, not four year degrees no more. Day five. So that's another 450 grand.

[Joe Budden]

And then they come to you and say, dad, I learned that I want to be an emcee.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm actually okay with that. I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just asking.

[Ish]

I'm not okay with that.

[Parks]

I think that's slightly different.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not okay saying you go to college. Y' all always preach to me. And again, I'm shutting up on this college tip. This is not my bag, this college stuff, but y' all always preach to me about the networking and getting out the house for the first time. My brothers is in college. I seen them in my dad, in their room, in my dad's house their whole life. Now they in college. They meeting kids from other places, meeting girls with different goals. Like, y' all always taught me that.

[Ish]

That experience is the most part of it that should be worth the.

[Joe Budden]

If you go do that. And now for the first time, a lot of kids are learning themselves and finding themselves outside of the academic portion of this. And you learn what you now enjoy doing, maybe want to do, maybe got a friend or a frat brother that done preached being a salesman is the way to go. I made 200 grade. I know how it is. You hear some shit and you give a shot because you got time on your side. Like, I wouldn't expect to go to my parents and be met with disappointment when I learned what I truly want to do. Now again, that's interesting again, what is it? I never told my mom that I want to be a professional rapper, so. Or my dad, so.

[Ish]

I mean, the disappointment comes from whatever you're telling them, yo, this is what I want to do. Realistically, is it sustainable? That's where the disappointment comes up. Because like even you said the MC example, I'mma be disappointed at that because the odds are not really in your favor.

[Parks]

I think that's slightly different because I think in emceeing or in any type of artistic endeavor, having a college backup plan is good A, for that and B, you'll learn so much in college from like a worldly perspective. It will help you relate and translate. You'll make you a better.

[Ish]

Even if you're a business major and now you want to be an emcee, the way you go take these meetings at the label and all that other shit may be a little different.

[Parks]

I think it's different from something that's super hyper localized, like a nail tech, where you could have done that, you know, I'm saying without necessarily leaving, you don't need all the connections and community building that happens at college and all.

[Joe Budden]

That kind of shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And maybe not those connections. Honestly, you might be better. If I'm gonna be a nail tech in Newark, I'm just gonna say Newark, it's better for you to go to Rutgers Newark than Harvard. If you want to build connections and build. That's what I'm saying. Like it's about what you're doing with those connections. I don't know if I would communicate the disappointment though, to My kid. I would be disappointed, but I would encourage them. But deep down. Yeah, I'd be a little salty.

[Ish]

I'll give you an example. I got a family member who they went through nursing school and towards the end decided I don't want to do this. And their parents paid to put them through nursing school. Now I just want to get a regular job. I realize this late in the game that I don't want to do as a parent. You disappointed as fuck.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I feel like as a parent there's just certain Ls you got to take as a parent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You could still be disappointed in taking an L though.

[Joe Budden]

But I now, but I understand Mark. Now you wouldn't say I'm disappointed. You would go to the adult room.

[Ish]

And screaming.

[Joe Budden]

And privately sulk.

[Ish]

You scream into the bottom of the bottle.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I'm with that. I'm with privately sulking over.

[Ish]

That's what we talking about.

[Joe Budden]

Some shit my kid did.

[Ish]

You still gotta support your kid. We still talking from a position of privilege. Mark was privileged enough to be able to spend $90,000 a year on his kids education. Now imagine if you took out student loans for that money as a parent. Now you got a half a billion dollars in debt. I mean half a million dollars in debt now for your kids education. And they don't want to do that. You still got to pay these back. 450 grand with interest. Now you better go flip some birds or something. You got to get my bread back.

[Joe Budden]

So I ain't doing that. But anyway, why? Nope.

[Parks]

No, that's when it comes full circle to looking at the picture and saying maybe the folding glass.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Ain't nothing wrong with folding some shit up or making a chamber of checkers. Everything is all right, go ahead. My baby makes the best chip burger.

[Ish]

This you gotta see the potential early. Like you know what, you gonna be a height over there in checkers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know I am. This is what I'm thinking of one of my, my family members right now. I might send them an app, extra cheese. I don't know if you can handle extra cheese. Get this burger on the grill.

[Joe Budden]

And some of that is unfair. Cause some of you parents out there is losers and think you didn't pass down your loser game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is a fest.

[Joe Budden]

That's a like what the you expect your kid to do. Nigga, look at you ain'. What you doing?

[Ish]

You too, bro.

[Joe Budden]

That's bad.

[Ish]

Yes. All right.

[Joe Budden]

So I got a song. Thank you. I got a song.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Bro, parents just be expecting the best from their kids.

[Ish]

Or you expect them to do better than you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But sometimes that be irrational.

[Joe Budden]

Why?

[Ish]

That's your goal?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's every parent's goal.

[Ish]

Hopefully should be.

[Joe Budden]

Well we talking about good parents.

[Ish]

I think even bad parents don't. They recognize they in a up circumstance and they don't want their kids to be in the same circumstance.

[Joe Budden]

You're wrong you to watch evil lives here. It's not all parents. I'm telling you buddy, it's not all parents. Evil lives here. Very scary people. You don't. I could tell just by what you say these parents killing the out they kids. And vice versa. And kids, oh man, they had have been so heated. I'll argue with my girl about so much. I'll tell you about it. But one of them was family. Family. They happy already. Husband, wife and their 10 year old daughter adopts a kid at 16 years old. Pause.

[Ish]

I think I'm with you.

[Joe Budden]

Pause already. Already. Pause. First three minutes of the show. Excuse me, why are we adopting a 16 year old?

[Ish]

Get a dog now. Get a 6 year old. Get a 4 year old. Somebody knock her elbow.

[Joe Budden]

And this family wanted to you know, pick a kid, help him out. A horrible situation at 16. No, you done. And this was a girl. A 16 year old girl. So they talking to. They keep showing the daughter. Let me speed this up. It keep Talking to the 10 year old who's now an adult who's saying this girl was strange from the start. So now, so now the whole house is learning in real time that dad is a pedophile. Off dad done started dating the 16 year old that they adopted and now she's shading the mom because you coming in between me and my man and the dad. And don't you know this girl in the middle of the night poke mama 178 times.

[Parks]

God damn.

[Joe Budden]

With both of the other kids in the house because they had another younger kid.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But totally predictable.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

When I hear nothing shocked me about that story. We already knew where it was going. When you said 16.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't know it was gonna not be predictable for your husband to fall in love with the 16 year old adopted daughter. That is sick. Sick people in the world.

[Ish]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, anyway, sorry about that you guys. I don't have. Hey, I want the best for y' all yalls kids. I hope they grow up to not.

[Parks]

Be nail tech unless that's what they look like.

[Joe Budden]

But if they're great at it, I'll go get your little buff kids a little 24 or some.

[Ish]

It ain't gonna be 24.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You better tip good too.

[Joe Budden]

I tip good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My kid come back and be like, Joe left me $5, I'm gonna be mad at you.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I take it. I ain't gonna do that to yalls kids.

[Ish]

About eight. I mean. No, they make money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

You gotta own it, though.

[Joe Budden]

My girl told me we was taking Valentine's Day off.

[Ish]

What'd that mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We fell for?

[Joe Budden]

It means we came to a pact that we were gonna take Valentine's Day off.

[Ish]

This is meaning what? Like noblesse trips?

[Joe Budden]

No ghost, no celebration, no nothing. Just treating it like you didn't fall for a regular Saturday Joe. Joe Button. I fell in love even more like, oh, that's dope. She feel me like, she understand.

[Ish]

You did not fall for that.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't what? What was there to fall for about taking off? I ain't drop out that early. I know what take off mean.

[Ish]

Obviously you don't. In a relationship, there's levels to take off.

[Joe Budden]

Don't you know? Ever since you've been talking about I ain't get her no flowers.

[Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So now we just fighting about what take off means.

[Parks]

Get some flowers.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It means she off.

[Ish]

No, it means we ain't doing all of the extra, extra, extra, above and beyond while through the to the moon ship. But we gotta get some regular flowers.

[Parks]

Yeah, candies, a little card.

[Joe Budden]

The problem is when that moment happens, like y' all are making sense the same way she did. I say what my brain is thinking.

[Parks]

Oh, shit, sound like Cory. That's never a good thing.

[Ish]

I'm what you wanna say.

[Joe Budden]

Should've said that, dog. I always go get these elaborate expensive ass bundles of 9 trillion flowers. They die. You get on a plane, I carry them to the trash and that be that. Yeah, take off me and I don't have to do.

[Ish]

That's not what take off at all, bro. She said. She said offset.

[Joe Budden]

You said offset.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's making a take off.

[Joe Budden]

I get it. Which led to the next discrepancy of kicking somebody out versus asking them to leave.

[Parks]

Oh, my God, you failed this week.

[Joe Budden]

There.

[Parks]

There's definitely a difference.

[Joe Budden]

But don't worry, I got a song queued up.

[Parks]

I hope you do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Kicking somebody asking me, please break that down for us.

[Ish]

Yo, could you leave my house, please? That's asking them to leave. Get the fuck out.

[Joe Budden]

Is kicking them out asking to leave versus kicking someone out is not the same. And too many chicks on instagram be trying to get that off. I see it when they start. Oh, this. They could kick me out and kick me out, and then the girls start rallying. How did Jerem kick you out? Well, sometimes it ain't a kickout. Sometimes I'm asking you to just leave.

[Parks]

Sometimes it is just time to go.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I got your flight. I got your flight book. Bad news.

[Parks]

Not in this case.

[Joe Budden]

We're not really seeing eye to eye. Would you mind leaving? It only become a kick out when they say, no, don't leave. So it's not the same, but anyway. Yo, I got a beautiful song queued up. There we go.

[Parks]

Yeah, how about it?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, let's see here.

[Ish]

Get some music, please.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the ladies out there. Shout out to all the happy couples out there. Shout out to our ladies. Hey, baby.

[Parks]

Love you, baby.

[Ish]

You need some mercy? Yeah, you need this?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, we doing great, but gotta understand what some terms mean. Hey, mic check. One two, one two, one, two. So happy to be here. Shout out to wherever you might be listening from. Always for the ladies, of course. Anytime I'm in the building, this big Jersey, of course I'm riding home. Everybody on the west Coast. Hey, whole New York City, Carolinas, Atlanta, and all of that, Rest in peace, jesse jackson, robert duvall. Shout out to the patronies. Shout out to all the subgroups out there.

[Ish]

There you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. Shout out to all the parents out there. Happy Black History Month, Ego. Rest in peace, Marvin.

[Ish]

Dynamite.

[Joe Budden]

Spend it on I have my teeth. Morning.

[Ish]

We make it.

[Joe Budden]

Got a great show lined up for you, Ego. New icy fish.

[Ish]

Who is that?

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this?

[Parks]

904.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 904 of the JOE Button podcast. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, extremely happy to be here, host Joe Button. This broadcast is brought to you by Fueled by Powered By Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang. You. And I'm here with some really amazing people. To my right, shout out to our boy Queens, Flip, who is at carnival having a blast. I was like, this nigga's living. Yeah, he's having a good time out there. Shout out to Flip here with us in spirit. To my right, our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. How you doing, man?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hanging in there, man. Rough week.

[Joe Budden]

Good, good, good.

[Parks]

Everything all right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, my son's sick. He's been in the hospital and just then ripping and running, traveling all. Not all weekend, but Sunday kicked my ass.

[Parks]

Gotcha.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Flew to Arkansas and back and been in the hospital, but, you know, it's life.

[Ish]

Glad to have you back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Glad to Be here, strong up, safe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, anytime. It's an airport. In Mark's story, he. It don't go well.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is true.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't noticing the sign. Oh, man. Next. Next to him, man, our good brother, Mr. Thousand Doors and Up. Big Ish in the building is. How you feeling, man?

[Ish]

I'm well. Yourself?

[Joe Budden]

Real good. Real good, man.

[Ish]

Man, see you was outside.

[Parks]

Yeah, we were outside this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

We'll.

[Parks]

We'll.

[Joe Budden]

We'll talk about it. I made a couple of. Couple of quick little stops. What did you do, Mr. Prodigy?

[Ish]

Nothing all. Stayed in the house.

[Joe Budden]

In the house the whole time. Okay.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, don't start your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't start nothing, man.

[Joe Budden]

You know what they say when we on the same cow.

[Ish]

Y', all, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I mean, that Prodigy was. I mean, I understand Ish, so I understand the mistake he be making, but it's still always funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's the mistake?

[Joe Budden]

He puts. He puts the. The. The punch in the front and then doesn't explain it properly. Just continues with the story as if it's understood, right? Rather than at the end, after he's properly been able to explain whatever the fuck he is trying to say and then that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That makes sense. There's a lot of the fans have been wondering about your. Your Child Prodigy statement. It's been on the Internet. I know you don't read it. That's what I'm telling you. They. They mentioned it, and so they've been having a blast. They've been having. We. I don't. I mean, I'm just.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't us, buddy. It ain't us.

[Ish]

I didn't say a word. I ain't say nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you never. You never finished the thought, though. What were you prodigious in?

[Ish]

I was academically inclined as a kid. I skipped first grade. They wanted to skip me from second grade. My mother said no. I could have got. I could have been damn near 10 years old in high school. 11 years old in high school.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So I don't give a fuck.

[Joe Budden]

I'm your real. I know what you've been trying to say.

[Ish]

I don't give a.

[Joe Budden]

What they say. I'm friends with you in real life.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just was curious.

[Joe Budden]

I always thought you was a prodigy since we met he was.

[Ish]

Havoc.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's a pretty good one. You all with it. Next to ish. Come on, man. The freeziest of them all. Big ices in the building. How you doing? Freeze.

[Ish]

I'm great. I'm great. Great.

[Joe Budden]

Good, good. I'm glad to hear that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man, I loved your ig. Your Valentine's Day IG photo, man. It was real flop.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, Appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

Beautiful.

[Ish]

Me, too. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you. Everybody seen it but me. I didn't see it.

[Ish]

Why you look at me? No, I just said thank you. Shout out to my baby.

[Joe Budden]

What'd he do?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Real good pictures. She.

[Ish]

She a little icy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This lady looked wonderful. They were decked out. Ice kept his face kind of away from the camera a little bit.

[Parks]

Yeah, he had the big chain on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the big chain on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yo, he was rich.

[Parks]

Rich. Yeah. I was wondering about that. But I was chilling.

[Ish]

Big chain, big watch, you know? And all my splendor.

[Parks]

Yeah, sometimes you got something, just say it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is cool.

[Joe Budden]

This is a couch of such few words. Well, I didn't see it, so could you explain to me what they're saying?

[Parks]

They were showing the out. That's what it was.

[Ish]

We went out. We had a good time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They look great.

[Ish]

We went out.

[Joe Budden]

You put all the jewels on all of them?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All of them.

[Ish]

We went out.

[Parks]

Namely, the love of his life.

[Ish]

Exactly. That was the gym, but he had his.

[Parks]

But there was some other gyms.

[Joe Budden]

We went out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So y' all did it, right?

[Ish]

We did a nice dinner, then went and got up with our peoples and we went to the spot. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Are you bashed for your thing? Like, why? Why? Like, why am I like, is this it?

[Ish]

We just. We.

[Joe Budden]

We but talking shit, though.

[Ish]

Nigga, there's no shit to talk, bro.

[Joe Budden]

His shoulders is sinking in. Come on, nigga.

[Ish]

I don't stunt.

[Joe Budden]

You threw all the jewelry on and stepped out with your queen. What we talking? What we doing Valentine's Day?

[Ish]

We went out, went to the spot.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't waiting no line.

[Ish]

What were we talking for?

[Joe Budden]

That. So why you not saying what, man?

[Ish]

Cause I don't do that. We had a good time, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Want me to come in here and pop?

[Ish]

I called the whole little spot. The spot.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Ish]

He cleared the for us. It was Valentine's Day.

[Joe Budden]

Packed.

[Ish]

He was like, y' all accommodate y'. All. Then my man over here, we took care. We good.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm looking for. Cause the only pick I saw, and then I'm introducing Parks, was the boxer briefs that were floating. Floating around, huh? Yeah. Huh?

[Ish]

She got me some boxer boots with her face on it.

[Joe Budden]

No, not one face.

[Ish]

No, her face. All over.

[Joe Budden]

All over the boxers. I wanted the clown, but me and Freeze be down, so. I mean, I wear some.

[Ish]

I ain't wear Them. I ain't wear them.

[Parks]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

You're going to wear them. You're going to wear.

[Ish]

Probably got them on right now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're going to wear them.

[Joe Budden]

You are going to wear them.

[Ish]

Probably got them shit down.

[Joe Budden]

You don't think. You're not going to wear them, do you think?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You don't think. Okay, there we go. As long as you know.

[Ish]

No, I'm for sure I'mma wear them.

[Joe Budden]

I would wear them if my girl got me them. Some Doofy, you know your girl's going to do some.

[Ish]

Of course. She do all that. I love it, though, so. But yeah, we had a great time, though. Great, great Valentine's Day.

[Parks]

How wonderful.

[Ish]

You want to take out.

[Parks]

I don't love love.

[Joe Budden]

I love.

[Ish]

That's head ass. Like, we do head ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what Valentine's Day is. No days off, man.

[Ish]

Yeah, we do. We do all that head ass shit. I love it.

[Joe Budden]

I know we have. Oh, Elmira's finest Parks is here.

[Parks]

What's bobbing?

[Joe Budden]

We have a board.

[Parks]

It's a lot to talk about today.

[Joe Budden]

There's a lot to talk about on my board that didn't make it your personal board on my board that I had to erase. Easter was on there.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I got talked out of it, so I'm not doing it, but I'd be. You're.

[Parks]

But I don't even want to ask. I don't think I want to ask.

[Joe Budden]

What are y' all doing this Easter?

[Parks]

I didn't know that that was.

[Ish]

You don't do things on Easter.

[Parks]

Get some.

[Ish]

No, we don't do that anymore. I don't get dressed up. Don't do nothing on Easter.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not wearing your lavender suit and going.

[Joe Budden]

Out pastels on and.

[Ish]

Might take the kids to that. I mean, we got small kids. So you got to do something with the eggs. Eggs and all that. I'm not a fan of that.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What you got to do?

[Parks]

They like.

[Ish]

They like. They like to eat the egg hunt. So I might.

[Joe Budden]

Chocolate buddy. That's the first time you give him red wine or some, right? Wait, I told you I erased it. Bo is here. Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here. We couldn't do this without your participants. Where do we begin?

[Parks]

We had a fun little weekend. We were outside, went, saw a new edition Tony Braxton Boys to Men at Prudential on. On Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Yes, we did.

[Ish]

Thanks to Joe.

[Parks]

Got us a nice little Suite. The sweet suite, decked out with all the goodies now.

[Joe Budden]

Parks and Imani and Parks, beautiful wife. And Nat and Rachel were there at the suite when I walked in.

[Ish]

Yeah, we got there first, so the.

[Joe Budden]

Rest of my joke don't really apply to them. But, boy, did I feel so bad. Wow. When you. When you. When you book these, like, group meetups, like, I don't be the best at delivering all the information. It was some parking passes. I forgot to say, motherfucker.

[Parks]

I asked about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Parking was shit.

[Joe Budden]

That's when I went and looked. I actually got.

[Parks]

I got a good spot.

[Joe Budden]

You got a few parking passes.

[Ish]

I was, oh, wow, 50 it is.

[Joe Budden]

And then it was the number there that was like, yo, when you get up here, yo, hit me. So we gonna take care of it. So by the time I walked up and hopped out of wherever I was supposed to be, the newer cops was out there. They must have been Joe Budden fans. Boy, did they clear the street for me. Brought me right to the contact guy. Skip the line. Bump some fat girl in line.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Move.

[Joe Budden]

Cause it be the fat girl that's mad that you skipping everybody. Hey, you heard me say excuse me 50 times, right? Move it. Oh, but then I felt so bad because everybody else was like, yeah, it wasn't was bad.

[Ish]

My poor mom was in line.

[Joe Budden]

People was telling me, oh, yo.

[Ish]

I.

[Parks]

Was wondering why they got there so late.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, Joe. Yeah, it was. Well, no, I'm joking around, but we had a great time. Sweet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Full of food.

[Joe Budden]

Toni Braxton, New Edition, and Boyz II Men did the whole Kendrick Sza, in n out, interchangeable. There's no opening act thing. Okay, so that was great. Sean Stockman called me the next day for my thoughts on it. Cause he was gonna listen to the pod, so he didn't want to hear nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He'd get in front of it.

[Ish]

Let me hand down.

[Joe Budden]

Slick. So I told him I really enjoyed the show, and I did really enjoy it.

[Parks]

It was good. From what I could hear, the show when the mics were on. It was great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was great.

[Parks]

But it may have only been a third of the time, but, yeah, there.

[Joe Budden]

Was some sound issues with the microphone. With the microphones. Like, there's a lot of. The TV track was definitely TV tracking early on. And they eventually tried to get it fixed at some point through the show. So it did get better. But now be clear.

[Parks]

Toni Braxton got her shit right before she stepped on that stage again. Yeah, Tony Braxton was not playing with.

[Joe Budden]

That sound engineer because, you know, it's mic issues because too many of these people you already know can sing.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

You know, Tony Braxton is not trying to do no TV track. Wan ye. All them boys to mend. Niggas could sing. Ricky Bell could sing. Ralph Tres, man want to sing. Johnny Gill want to sing for sure. And did Johnny got 50 fix the microphone, please, so the singers can sing.

[Parks]

Especially on Candy Rain and got all of it. But like the super duper smashes when the mic is dropping out, it's like, all right, dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Candy.

[Ish]

Candy girl or Candy girl.

[Parks]

My bad, my bad.

[Ish]

All right. I'm like, wait, wait.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, it was, it was. I thought it was where I. Because I wasn't up in the street. I thought it was just. I was in a bad location to hear it better. And then we later found out he's.

[Joe Budden]

In the front row. Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So you know, sometimes like a true stand.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, look cool like you all then. I've seen your Instagram post. Oh, Bobby Brown, you did it. You took my gold. Girl, you such a tweez. Yes, yes, I saw his story. It ain't there no more, cuz.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It didn't happen.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, you lying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said, damn it, Bobby, you took my girl. That's what I wrote on my story.

[Joe Budden]

No, you didn't say that, cuz that's your wife. Right? Well played. Well played.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, it was, it was, it was. It was. It was good. It was just the audio. You just couldn't. I couldn't hear it.

[Parks]

The mics were dropping up a lot. A lot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you could see them getting frustrated on stage.

[Parks]

I thought Wanier was gonna kill somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Parks]

And he deserved to.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, you could tell. See, we did shows before. You could tell who's about to die and who's screaming on who. And what that backstage looked like at some point, the stage was having a trouble with the elevators that was bringing them up and down. So at one point, one n got stuck. Somebody. Somebody got stuck in there.

[Ish]

Nigga, that's what Chris Brown got stuck in there.

[Joe Budden]

He got stuck at. Yeah.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but Chris Brown is young enough and agile enough to hang in the air for 20 minutes. Yeah, he can. He can escape and still sing and all. Bib, on the other hand.

[Ish]

It'S 60.

[Joe Budden]

See, and also, that's the thing too, right? I was young. Like, I bought Boys to Men Motown Philly album. When I bought Mariah Carey Vision of Love album, I got my first boombox. I might have been been 11, 12, 10 somewhere around here. Yeah, 10 and new edition found them. I knew Boys to Men was the New Edition song. So I just always look at New Edition as so much older than Boys to Men. Until this night. Yeah, yeah. Show.

[Ish]

You.

[Joe Budden]

Well, actually they are.

[Parks]

No, not they only about five years apart, I think.

[Joe Budden]

No, it must be a lot though. They that a. Just. This. What I'm saying is this was the first night I googled how old are these motherfuckers?

[Parks]

We were doing the same shit. We were doing the same shit.

[Joe Budden]

How old is New Edition? And I gotta tell you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he changed the name.

[Joe Budden]

They shouldn't put new enough. No, none. No addition. The.

[Ish]

The additions.

[Joe Budden]

Those brothers, not all of them, but Bobby Biv DeVoe even had this malnourished look about him. And then the dance steps, it was all the dance steps from.

[Parks]

From Motown.

[Joe Budden]

From yes, but no, some. No. These steps was made for a 60 year old. They Motown steps. They made those steps look old. Old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. A couple of months.

[Joe Budden]

I googled the out of how old these brothers was.

[Ish]

The youngest one is 57.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Boys to men is 55 and 54.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because they started younger.

[Ish]

Yeah. No, Edition started so much earlier than Boyz II Men.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like the Jay Z, Cool J.

[Ish]

Thing where we might have different because.

[Joe Budden]

They came out and then Bobby Brown half the night was giving everybody his ass to kiss. He still think that he owe Bobby. He still think that. He's my prerogative, Bobby. So at one point he looked at the crowd and said, y' all want to see some dance moves? Now mind you, I've been watching him all night. He ain't bust. Not a move. Saving him for. So the audience done fell for this. They scream, ye go crazy. Bobby said, google me. I love that man.

[Parks]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

I do. Off.

[Parks]

I do have to say Bobby Brown sounded really good considering the fact that he was never like the most amazing vocalist. Like he sounded good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

His voice haven't. Hasn't changed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Bobby Brown, a lot of them sets, he remind me of me when I used to go to the club with a group. Group and just walk away.

[Ish]

A lot.

[Joe Budden]

I used to go to the club with a group of like four to seven people and whenever they got situated, I just got away from them. I didn't tell them where I was going, what I was going to do. That's what Bobby did all night long up there.

[Ish]

That's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A couple times that he was catching his breath on the side.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Facts like hard. Like when we was playing basketball. Yes.

[Parks]

No, the whole show was a little Bit like us playing basketball, honestly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, I ain't gonna hold you, man. Y' all bucket dog. It was one point where Boyz II Men came out at the tail end of whatever New Edition set was. And Boyz II Men came to the front because it was like a three stage thing. And they said, all right, y'. All, if it's all right with y', all, New Edition's gonna stay on with us a little bit.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

And sing these backgrounds. The crowd went crazy. Yeah. I was like, oh, shit, nigga. 45 seconds later. Just one second. New Edition walk the fuck off to the stage. Yo, this show was so great.

[Parks]

It was a really good show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All jokes aside, it was so many hits and. Because unlike like, the, you know, like the Kendrick Scissors show, where, like, if you're not a fan of one, it was like a dramatic change. This was so many iterations because it would be like Johnny Gil would do some solo set, then you might have a BBD thing, then you have Tony Braxton, then you have all the New Edition, then you might have.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Got it. Got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So every. It was all these different, like, pieces that all sounded good or they all. Yeah, they were great.

[Parks]

They would have sounded good had the mics.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But the mics were working.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

And between all of the renditions, that ain't nothing but hits.

[Parks]

Nothing but hits.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

There was two hours of hits straight.

[Joe Budden]

And they lucky it was, I'll tell you that much. If a song came on and this crowd didn't know, we just had to depend on the mics.

[Ish]

I'm sure the crowd was singing all the songs.

[Parks]

Oh, for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You had to, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I was in heaven in there. Ralph did do what I got to do. Ralph Body.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ralph Body. And just killed.

[Parks]

Johnny Gil bodied.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Johnny Gil sang his face off.

[Parks]

The whole boy bodied, obviously. Tony bodied obviously.

[Joe Budden]

Ricky Bell went crazy, too. There were parts of the night where I couldn't tell who the best singer was. I saw Ricky cuz Ricky Bell sounded amazing.

[Ish]

I saw some clips.

[Joe Budden]

Boys to Men sounds crazy. Ralph sounded good. Johnny at some point, walked into the St. Johnny, I feel like, was buying them time.

[Parks]

Johnny was doing the Adler. I might have been.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The walking Adler. I don't feel like that was a part of the show. I think it was chaos backstage. And Johnny said, said, yo, I'm gonna get. He walked in the crowd and just held notes for two to three minutes of high notes. And if he would add some cherries, he would have been on some Usher. Like, that's how he was looking out there. And Johnny looked good, too. He did also, though. Newer couch. Couch. A few words.

[Ish]

No, I ain't got no problems.

[Joe Budden]

Then freeze. Yo, I'm gonna break this couch up. I'm telling y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

This iteration of y' all is getting broken up.

[Ish]

I know you.

[Joe Budden]

You do that. It's 100 coming.

[Ish]

I peeped.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

I already see the play.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause y' all two together, boy. I've seen the play. So you're not gonna say what y' all laughing at about Johnny Gill? Y' all think he was gonna put the cherries in?

[Ish]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna walk.

[Ish]

I don't know where he was putting the cherries at because I walked. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't thinking. But Johnny Gill did have on that earring. Yeah, he had on that earring. Nose ring. It was. Was very specific. And his bikers, he was in the front row, so. And his leather. And his leather biker setup. I ain't saying sounded great. I just said mad words. I just said mad words. I'm not joking.

[Ish]

He said word salad. What you was trying to get at?

[Joe Budden]

I said enough for the audience to underdig what I'm saying. I didn't do what.

[Ish]

Sometimes what's understood ain't got to be said.

[Joe Budden]

Won't give me the out of here. Anyway, shout out to Johnny Gil. He sounded great. Everybody was great. I am going to make that show at the Barclays.

[Parks]

I would like to see it again with better.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to the market.

[Ish]

When is that one?

[Joe Budden]

I told y' all about Prudential, but I can't. I can't say nothing because they showed me an amazing night.

[Parks]

Yeah, food was good.

[Ish]

Prudential be lit, though. I don't think it's a prudential thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, that's why I be needing my girl, too. She wasn't here when I had to pick the food for the. The sweet.

[Parks]

You just got everything.

[Joe Budden]

Everything. No, we ain't none of that.

[Parks]

Had like, four chips of the little sandwich. Cut them away.

[Joe Budden]

I got everything.

[Parks]

Yeah, but why you ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Steaks, Sushi, pastramis.

[Parks]

Once I saw the. There was hot dogs next to the sushi hot dog.

[Joe Budden]

What are we doing? What else?

[Parks]

Some weird steak sandwiches. It was a lot of up there.

[Joe Budden]

It was me bad food up there. We didn't eat.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was good for what I ate, but it was too much.

[Joe Budden]

My little bite of my sandwich I took was good, but it didn't tell Me a good time. That's sweet. Life ain't bad.

[Parks]

Then we went to see Jill on Saturday.

[Joe Budden]

And then Saturday night we did go see Jill Scott.

[Ish]

How was that?

[Parks]

What? That was like the warmest hug you ever felt in your life on Valentine's Day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She bodied it.

[Joe Budden]

She's.

[Parks]

She's so good.

[Joe Budden]

She would have meowed your heart out.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah. You'd been up there purring, meowing your face again.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Oh, so many.

[Parks]

Absolutely beautiful show.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Parks]

The. The six of the three of us with our. Our significant others. So a nice little table. It was jam packed. People in the like, standby section outside. Y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Parks]

Y' all not. Yeah, good luck. Good luck to that.

[Joe Budden]

So that whole area is dirty.

[Parks]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

I don't go. I ain't been over there since I was getting my fake ID or village underground or like when we was over there, that's when we would walk places, remember?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know where. That's when we was in West 3rd, the village. That's when we would just.

[Parks]

Yo, that's prime.

[Joe Budden]

You look at your friend and be like, yo, you want to hop on a train and hit West 4th? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do want to do that.

[Parks]

And to be fair, the city looks absolutely disgusting now because of that snow. So it's. It's bad, but it's dirty in general, but it's extra dirty.

[Joe Budden]

But we got 1.5 billion in funding, so that'll help soon. We did, Yes. I wasn't trying to be funny.

[Ish]

I ain't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

He do need to get that snow up, though. I know. That's our man. But it's up. Over.

[Parks]

It's up.

[Joe Budden]

It's been two months.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he said get him out.

[Parks]

It's 50 outside.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Happy about that.

[Joe Budden]

Going up.

[Ish]

And when the dirt be open.

[Parks]

And they couldn't pick up garbage for mad long because it's too much snow. So there's mad garbage all up in the snow. Like it's bad.

[Joe Budden]

It's bad. Then on the news, they sandwiched that story between them. New York banning glue traps for. For the rats. So right after they show the dirty snow, they show you all the mice and the rats just. Just creeping around. You gotta stop watching the news. Too much entertainment. Traps, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is it inhumane?

[Joe Budden]

Is that the argument on Mutant?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think I turned it up for that one?

[Joe Budden]

No, it's on mute. But it says New York City ban the glue trap. I don't know why.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure, it's some health concern.

[Ish]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Ish]

I'mma take the glue over the Mises, bro. Weird doing that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, y' all had mice in the crib growing up, right?

[Ish]

But I'm as opposed to the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't have to get on that trap. The most humane way to kill a mouse is on a mouse trap.

[Parks]

One of like a snap trap or get a cat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That don't be working, man.

[Joe Budden]

I can't. No, I'm not going to do that.

[Ish]

Them no rats have beat the dog cats. I've seen them take the cat food.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you stop getting rescue cats and go pick a cat like a man?

[Parks]

Now the rescue cats. What do you want? They got some. They got some with them.

[Ish]

Rats would have jumped the out of Raven. Punk ass.

[Joe Budden]

See you misrepresenting Raven again on this big national broadcast. You know Raven's body, so we don't even have to go. Y' all know Raven bodies that ain't gonna fight back. Stop it.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Is.

[Ish]

I know you know, Raven might not have won, but Raven would have fought.

[Joe Budden]

Raven fought skunks?

[Ish]

What are you talking about? Don't want no problem, man.

[Joe Budden]

Raven fought possums. My dead cat. Stop playing with Raven.

[Parks]

Rest in peace, Raven.

[Joe Budden]

You know about Raven? You seen Raven make it home from Route 4 when we lost it? Stop playing with my cat. I was moving from Edgewater to Englewood. Had the cat in the U Haul some. Halfway through River Road, Raven jumped out. Jumped out the window.

[Ish]

Boom.

[Joe Budden]

Booked it. I was so sad. But mad people are following, so there's nothing we can do. And said, don't worry. Just go back there in a couple days and Raven go find his way. Find a way home. And sure enough, that's what happened. And he know these stories about Raven, so I don't know why he's like. But anyway, what are we talking about? Something important.

[Parks]

Oh, the Joe Show. The Joe Show.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so it's so dirty over there. So I pulled up. So I pulled up like a G. I mean, black suv, all the dirty hipster kids outside trying to peek. Move, get out of here. So hit one of these niggas. We pull up, hop out, line wrapped around the corner. I walk right to the front as if I'm performing. And they said, we got you, man. Come right in. I said, all right. I'm gonna go get my lady. I went and got my lady. Came back to the door. They said, not letting anybody in, huh? Said, nigga.

[Ish]

That'S that shit.

[Joe Budden]

So now I'm standing here. That's why you gotta be careful where you got an ego. And now I'm just standing here looking stupid. It me, Parks fucking rim, Sade. But then the door slide open enough. You do the real, nigga. You know somebody over here.

[Ish]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

Remember that back in the day and today still.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And let us on in there. And we went to a table of six, but just four of us.

[Parks]

It's tricky.

[Joe Budden]

And Blue Note, Jill Scott. You know, this whole place is about to be jam packed, you know. Yeah. So they kept trying to send just two random strangers to our table. And we kept lying to them, saying.

[Ish]

We got two people coming.

[Joe Budden]

We have two people coming. That happened at least five times. We was lying to them like it was hot. They was trying to get these seats out. And boy, we look up and who do I see? My co worker and his lovely wife. And they come in and I put my arm in the hair. It's slow motion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, Joe being real nice. He walked all the way over to the table.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is what I just seen. You didn't see. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Put my hand. Say, Mark. And Mark just sits down with his wife at the table. Some other new table that.

[Ish]

The table for two.

[Joe Budden]

Hostess brought table for four.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't no table for two.

[Joe Budden]

He over there with Angela. Y Shout out to Angel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Angela.

[Joe Budden]

So then he went up to go to coat check, to hang the coats up. And that's when I beeline. That's when I made my move. I sprinted toward him, grabbed his shoulder. Hey, man, got a seat for you.

[Ish]

Got your seats right here.

[Joe Budden]

We back here, man. If you.

[Ish]

Who had the better table?

[Joe Budden]

Well, he was probably right in front of the stage.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was in front of the stage.

[Joe Budden]

He was right in front of the stage.

[Ish]

Yeah, he booked the stage weeks ago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I didn't.

[Ish]

He made a phone call.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I made a phone. I just made a phone call.

[Ish]

Yeah. Pardon me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She announced it the two days before, so it wasn't like we all did. Got the hookup. I swear, I don't know if any fans were in that motherfucker. It felt like everybody in there had to hook up at 8 o'. Clock. And at 10:30, I looked at the pictures from 8 o'.

[Joe Budden]

Clock.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like everybody was in there but fans. I mean, we all fans. But I mean, I felt bad for people who were trying to get the tickets. But nah, we was there and then we had just Sat down, and Angela had just said to me, oh, Mark, what's up? It's so good to see you. Nice to meet your wife. They both went to the same high school. She was like, nice to meet you. I'm so glad y' all are sitting here. We were scared they were going to put anybody at this table, and it would have been a disaster for us. Thank you for being here.

[Ish]

And then you moved.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Then I get up, and that's when I felt Joe tap you on the shoulder like we back there.

[Joe Budden]

Yep. Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I had a choice to make.

[Joe Budden]

And he came and joined us. Man.

[Parks]

Thank God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Gang, gang.

[Parks]

Thank God.

[Joe Budden]

We had. We had a time.

[Ish]

We did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was awkward, as though because.

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I understand. What? I understand.

[Ish]

I told you. All right, Y' all back there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The thing is.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you belong with the Yeet crown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Parks]

Our seats were great, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. There's no bad season of blue, though.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We didn't have a bad day.

[Ish]

Okay. That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was fine.

[Ish]

But you saying if the seats was a little compromised, you would. Oh, no. I'm gonna get my.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because my wife was like, let's go back and say hey to Joe. And then we just stayed back there. But because I didn't, I came in, and they took my phone and made us put them in those pouches. The pouches?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. Nobody could have their phone in there but me. Parks, rim, and shade.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna say somehow I'm seeing Sade.

[Joe Budden]

Texting, having a blast. Texting away. Brightness all the way up on the phone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm like, how the fuck did I get the gin pop treatment? And I realized because when my wife came in, she surrendered her phone first, which I would not have done.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But she likes to play by the rules. My wife is like a good Samaritan shit. So she's playing by the rules. So we came in. So. And I couldn't call Joe to even see if they. If y' all were here yet. Cause I had no phone. So now. So when I went back, I was like, what do we do? I don't want to ghost. Yee. I love her. I'm just gonna sit down. I'll explain later. Then I realized I had left the phone pouch.

[Joe Budden]

I told him we used to know how to bust them.

[Ish]

Yeah, we bust them.

[Joe Budden]

Now we bust them shits.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I had to go back to the table and take it and explain that we had left. So I was like, well, you know, Joe has something for us. You know, he had a table Back there, I didn't. I didn't realize. I just kept saying a lot words out. I just kept saying a lot of words. I felt real bad because it wasn't because of her. It was just because, you know, y' all my people. So.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta say, man, Jill Scott's background singers and band in general. Yeah, the band. The entire performance was great. I went in expecting to see a great band at the Blue Note.

[Parks]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes a background singer, I don't. I'm not sure about.

[Parks]

Oh, true.

[Joe Budden]

Those three background singers. Three guys, they killed it. Yeah, three guys, but had the range of everything. Yes. Whatever. The girl should be singing. She. They. They absolutely killed. Shot ain't telling me. One of them dudes is kind of got popping. Kind of popping like tick tock. Popping like. Like. Yeah, the tall one, I want to say his name is Glenn.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

The tall one who was doing soprano and alto and. Yeah, that whole crew. That was a great performance. Great night. Shout out to Jill.

[Parks]

It was amazing.

[Joe Budden]

We had an amazing interview here. Mad meows. Come on, give. Give a couple of meows.

[Parks]

She did a tiny desk, too, if y' all want to see it out there. It's.

[Joe Budden]

It was fine.

[Parks]

The same band. Say you'll get a little bit of the vibe. It's different in person, but. But the tiny desk is amazing as well.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And that show made. I liked the album before, but that show made me love the album, made me appreciate some of the songs differently.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

I said that we were driving. It was me, Imani, and REM Driving to the New Edition show, and I was like, this is going to be really way better live.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

And it came to be true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It came out like that. Yeah.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Pressure Live.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Pressure Live is like a moment versus. And I mean, I guess it's a moment on the album, too, but live.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No live, that should be very different.

[Parks]

It's different.

[Joe Budden]

Different. Very different outcome. So congratulations, Jill. Thank you for stopping by. Thank you. Thank you for coming and discussing conflict resolution with us. That was awesome.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. And for bringing the best out of Ish. Man, I ain't seen you like that before, man. I ain't talking about your talent as a podcast. I'm talking about, like, yeah, was crazy.

[Ish]

Use meow.

[Parks]

He be out here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, this meow.

[Joe Budden]

The whole time.

[Ish]

He said I was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And not. Not. Not a. Not a boy Cat.

[Joe Budden]

No off second hand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This was Falsettic.

[Ish]

Second contact.

[Joe Budden]

This. You hear him over there?

[Ish]

This guy's a fool, baby.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, why you can't just say when you was in a bag.

[Ish]

What do you mean? I was in my bag with Jill.

[Joe Budden]

Double entendre. You was in your bag and hers. There's nothing wrong with saying, yo, I met somebody and they was fly and I was in the bag. They, I, they.

[Ish]

I'm just doing my job, bro. That's all I was doing.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I mean, and. And I'm grateful for that.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

I appreciate it. You do a phenomenal job.

[Parks]

We're an hour in.

[Ish]

What do you got?

[Parks]

What do you guys want to start with?

[Joe Budden]

We cannot be an hour in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We are.

[Ish]

We about it.

[Joe Budden]

Wow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

About 56 minutes. But my kid.

[Ish]

One thing I could tell you is how long we've been sitting.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let's talk about All Star Weekend.

[Parks]

Let's do it.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Let's talk about All Star Weekend.

[Parks]

At first, I was gonna come in here and kill it, but I'm with you.

[Ish]

I got a gun.

[Parks]

But that. The. The actual All Star game was good. Was very good. Until the last. Till the last game.

[Ish]

No last game.

[Parks]

The last game was blocked.

[Ish]

They were trying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. The last game was the old. The old heads third straight ran out of gas. It's over. It's over. We older. We chilling. These young boys going back and forth. But walk me through your thoughts on Friday and Saturday. Did you watch any of it?

[Parks]

I tried to, but I didn't realize it started at 3pm or some early.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I missed it.

[Parks]

So I caught the dunk contest.

[Joe Budden]

Because of the Winter Olympics, the entire weekend was early.

[Parks]

Okay, just had the reasoning.

[Joe Budden]

Which is why All Star Game was finished by 8 o' clock clock. Friday and Saturday both were still pretty early. Friday, I'm lit. Kick rocks. I'm not beat. Sorry. I've seen MTV rocking jock. I've seen Kevin Hart win MVP before. I don't need to see Timothy Chalamet shoot threes and he wasn't there. But whatever that celeb game is on Friday. Shams. I don't need to see Shams.

[Parks]

I didn't even know it happened.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Shams was playing. Yeah, No, I was lit. We was lit on Friday. So Friday I have no idea what they were doing. Saturday I tuned in early enough to see the Knicks win. Whatever challenge that was. We won.

[Parks]

You didn't even know what the challenge was.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what the challenge was. It's not the skills challenge.

[Ish]

They said the skill. They took the rising skills Challenge out of it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's out of here. Ever since Wim Ben yawning and Chris.

[Parks]

Paul they found their little. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And that wasn't cheating. But I mean I get it, I get it, I get it. They found a loop. So I saw the Knicks win. I saw Damian Lillard win a three point contest. That three point contest was absolutely great. Was it? Yes. Because in round one, well, the dynamics, right, you got Khan canople who is the best. No, Dave, that's. He's the best rookie shooter that the league has ever seen.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Like that's the pace he's on.

[Parks]

Got it.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Before all star break, he's made, I want to say off the top of my head, a home 149, 147 threes. Nobody's ever done that before. Okay, so ramp. And it's him and it's Devin Booker and it's Damian Lillard and it's the OGs. You know, you don't want to let this rookie kid come in. In round one. He was looking like Larry Bird with the warm ups on. Like he made he. I think he had 29 or 31. Round one. Yeah, it was looking like. It was looking like that. So he advanced. Dame advance. Devin Booker advanced and then it's round two. And then he cooled off. The rookie cooled off and he got like a 17 or something. And that's when Dame took over and put 29 on the board. Easy. He was hitting the logo shots. He was hitting every. He went crazy. And then Devin Booker went crazier. He went crazier than Dame Lillard and had him beat dead to right.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

He gets to the last rack. He only needs to make two of these to win. Dope made one.

[Parks]

Damn.

[Ish]

Really?

[Joe Budden]

That was the only rack that. That happened like that.

[Parks]

I'm gonna go back and watch that.

[Joe Budden]

So now Devin Booker is looking like dog and Damon's like, so congratulations. Damian Lillard, three time three point champion. They tuned right. They pant right to a Steph Curry interview. Interview. Talking about next year. Because Steph Curry wants to defend his. He also wants to get three. I think he has two. So he said he wants to get Devin Booker, Clay Dame. He didn't name the young boy. That's just me noticing. I'm not saying he was doing something, but he did not name the young boy. But the young boy you know will be there for sure. So the three point contest was great.

[Ish]

But. And if I'm, if I'm stuff, I'm not. I'm these we OGs. Like. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, he'll be there. I don't got a Name.

[Parks]

Yeah, put whoever else in there.

[Ish]

Yeah, whoever. Yeah, but us four and then whoever y' all wanna.

[Joe Budden]

Because.

[Ish]

Yeah, whoever else.

[Joe Budden]

You're right. You're right. But stop it. You're right. But stop.

[Parks]

Rookie gotta wait. Yeah.

[Ish]

You gotta earn your. You gotta earn your name to be mentioned when I start calling out.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with all that.

[Ish]

You gotta earn that.

[Joe Budden]

But Steph Curry knows that that boy is gonna play.

[Ish]

That's fine.

[Joe Budden]

It's on your mind.

[Ish]

He also knows he's Steph Curry, Right? I don't give a fuck who playing. Way true.

[Joe Budden]

I would. You can't. I know who's that. Wardell.

[Ish]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not playing with.

[Ish]

I don't give a who.

[Joe Budden]

You boy.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

And I agree with y'. All.

[Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't have to convince me it's Wardell.

[Ish]

So I'm gonna just.

[Joe Budden]

He don't have to say con canople.

[Ish]

I'm not favorite. I would pay respect to my brothers that been in the struggle. But.

[Joe Budden]

Right. But if you're gonna say Clay right now. Shout out to Clay. He follows me.

[Ish]

Clay 1.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Clay.

[Ish]

Clay wonderful.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Before he mentioned people and he's a shooter.

[Ish]

We talk about. Yeah, we talking about shooters and winners.

[Joe Budden]

Champions.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They all won the three point contest before.

[Ish]

Can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

The dunk contest. We'd be better off trash. Putting the trash can at. At the. At the middle of the. At the middle of the court and just dunking like paper balls. Balls of paper that we bunched up.

[Parks]

They might as well go ahead and get rid of that at this point.

[Ish]

They could have put us on an 8 1/2 foot rim. It had us just go out 5.

[Joe Budden]

Foot rim up Achilles and all with. With a trampoline. Nick.

[Ish]

Jackson Hayes did a regular D dunk. I said, yo, what?

[Parks]

That was trash.

[Joe Budden]

No, Jackson Hayes did a few regular dunks.

[Parks]

This is where I was going to come in and trash the whole weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Jackson Hayes, he. I tweeted he could have stayed in his hotel. Then I was like, joe, he lives around the corner. I said, even worse. He could have stayed in the comfort of his home and not participated at all in this. Damn. And full circle right back to you guys. You're scared to see your seed be a failure. Kinda. Because there's nothing. There's nothing that's a failure about Jason Richardson's son. Who's on the magic, right? Whose name is Richardson. We love that black basketball dads nepotism get not nepotism. But, yeah, nurturing your kid, get him to the league. We love that. We absolutely love that. It only becomes a problem when the first dunk you do is to honor your dad. And then they put your dad's version of the dunk on the big screen. So Jason Richardson's dunk was like a 30, like, out of 10. Like, it was some 360 reverse.

[Ish]

I remember the one.

[Joe Budden]

And then the one his son did was like, the Today version of that. Like the. You know how they have frosted flakes and they had flakes with sugar? It was like. But, you know, the kid could get up because they said. They said, He's. He's 6:1. I'm like, all right. So, you know, he could get up because he got his dad house. But six one, just do your own dunk. Big dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Homeboy from the Spurs. He gets up, so I can't say nothing about him. I don't know. I don't know his name. Kavant. I don't know. I'm not sure his name. Name, but he gets up and homeboy. That was on Miami. That came out. His energy was just great to see. He danced the entire time. He's. He's from the Bay. He's a young guy. He's in good shape.

[Ish]

That jumped over E40, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, he came out with E40. So cool. Bring some swag back. Bring some swag back. And it was this portion of All Star Weekend where I said all Star Weekend has to find a way to embrace the drug dealing community. Community, yes. That's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem.

[Parks]

It's all too corporate for sure.

[Joe Budden]

What do you. It's way too corporate.

[Ish]

I'm telling you something I saw.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you something. As somebody that has been.

[Ish]

He's right.

[Joe Budden]

To many an All Star Weekend all over this country, There. There was a presence that was not like a bad presence. There was a good presence of sport fans. It's like a fight in Vegas. Vegas sport fans and women that love this and the people that have this type of money. It was an event for a weekend. Looking at All Star Weekend, you could tell that that just is not present anymore. Like, I was so happy to see E40. It reminded me that, where are all you niggas? Where is. Where are the people that are not streamers? Content creator. I'm happy to see them too. But we do need drug dealers and all that drug dealers attract. We would have drug dealers. Was the streamers. They were the ones that was gonna get Your shit lit word was gonna travel. This was a We need. We need. They need to find a way. Yeah, I know it sounds nice.

[Parks]

No, also just people in general because them stands were empty.

[Ish]

It's just an urban dynamic that we bought to the All Star game. Now they be selling all them corporate tickets is 5,000 a pop. I just googled. The average ticket is 4, $700. So the only people that could really afford it was the drug dealers. You know what I mean? Like could spend. Was spending whatever we was buying aftermarket tickets at whatever price.

[Joe Budden]

Then they have to start to give the free tickets out because the arena to fans, the arena shouldn't look this empty. They tried to trick people with the lights and the seats.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But we can tell that these seats are empty. And that's for All Star. That's for. I didn't see that packed out at all. Not once. This.

[Ish]

It wasn't even no hype around All Star Weekend.

[Parks]

I didn't even know.

[Ish]

This is starting to look like the Pro bowl. Word where you know, I just. Nobody gives a about the Pro bowl at all. It's getting there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is the most lackluster game I've ever seen.

[Ish]

But every year until Sunday.

[Parks]

Decline until Sunday. I will say that in all of the All Star games in the sports, that was one of the more competitive games I've seen in a long time.

[Ish]

And I think they.

[Joe Budden]

They did Everybody. Everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They bust their ass to get that, that, that feeling back.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Because for the last five, six, seven, eight years, nobody gave a about winning the All Star Game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Everybody was a game. And in the last three minutes people.

[Ish]

Played defense and the only really cared about winning was Kobe. You know what I'm saying? So everybody else used to just look at the. Like it was a. A meet and greet.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like yo, I'm hanging out with my. That I knew since aau. We laughing, we joking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A bunch of and half court threes. That shit was hard to watch.

[Ish]

So this game was definitely good. And then for. Unfortunately for the dunk contest and the three point contest. The superstar presence in the dunk contest used to be a thing.

[Parks]

Yeah. It's needed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like if you had John Morant in the dunk contest, motherfuckers would be like, oh, you had some of the other high flyers in the dunk contest. Niggas would be like Ant Man. Ant Man. Ja. Like that. But the league moved on.

[Joe Budden]

That's cool. But y' all could go. Go. Y' all could have got Mac McClung again.

[Parks]

Yeah. I'll take that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Matt. It was weird because I saw Matt doing videos. He posted the stuff he would have done.

[Ish]

Nobody paying to go see Matt.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody was paying to go see anybody.

[Ish]

No, I'm just saying. I think it would have been the same even with him. I'm talking about you need star.

[Joe Budden]

Those dunks that he was showing.

[Ish]

No, he's a monster.

[Joe Budden]

Those dunks he was showing, but I've never seen at least two of them.

[Ish]

That boy's a monster. He's a monster.

[Joe Budden]

Just for entertainment's sake, go get Mac McClung. Something. Mark is right. Something happened there to where he couldn't perform or I don't know if he got cut a week before or something weird. Something weird happened. But before the All Star game happened, I had seen enough footage and enough video to conclude that Victor Wembanya hates the Joker. So that was my sub storyline that I was watching. This is coming off of Kevin Durant doing that interview saying where they asked him, yo, y' all gonna take it serious? And he highlighted the same two that we all know, Luca and the Joker. These two dudes that make it very unserious. I seen a bunch of women Yana videos where he said, I'm not playing with none of them. I'm not here for games jokes. Y' all know in the summer, he went to do the Kunta Kinte. He went to go do the over there with the Monks. I'm serious.

[Ish]

Did he say. I was like, what are you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

Stop playing. I'm not playing. He went to do that, too. I'm saying he takes this shit very serious. He's not playing.

[Ish]

What I saw in him, I didn't think. And I've had this argument. He really didn't have.

[Joe Budden]

You had all the arguments.

[Ish]

No, he didn't really have much dog in him. I saw something different over All Star Weekend. He set out to win the fucking mvp. He wasn't playing with Kawhi. None of them niggas. Him and Kawhi started going at it in that game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who, Wemby? Yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

Him and Kawhi started. For a year, I ain't know he had no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Some of his matchups like when him and Draymond was going at it or when people were trying because they be trying to trump him now.

[Ish]

The league better not going for that.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody better be happy that he's on a minutes restriction. He's doing what he doing. And they only letting him play 23 minutes a night.

[Ish]

He killing.

[Joe Budden]

So in the group picture now, you Got Joker, you know, Joker standing next to Wimy. Joker slapping Luka Doncic in the head. Bow, bow. Wimpy. Y' all get me away from these white boys. Yeah, these white boys.

[Ish]

Yo, white Rich.

[Joe Budden]

So to see his attitude during the game and to hear Anthony Edwards say that Wimana's attitude rubbed off on him and made him kind of play for real and take him serious, I think how they split the teams up just kind of inspired everybody. But Wimana looked different.

[Parks]

Kawhi, too. Kawhi was hooping.

[Joe Budden]

Kawhi was n. He balled out for a. That wasn't supposed to be there.

[Ish]

Him and Wi. No, again, that game was him and Wimy. I think from the tip off the first possession, somebody did something. Wimy got an offensive. Some happened.

[Joe Budden]

You broke it down at first possession. I see why you a coach.

[Ish]

But no, something.

[Parks]

That was a good ass game.

[Joe Budden]

You killed that analysis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This guy's nuts.

[Joe Budden]

I will always love him like Whitney Houston, I swear to God.

[Parks]

Would you like Brady's Star Spangle better?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that was different.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was like a doppy kind of.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that.

[Parks]

That was fun.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just love her voice so much. She could sing anything to me. It wasn't my favorite rendition.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I was fighting with myself. I love Brandy, and I love anything that Brandy does. And I don't know if I need to rep for the Star Spangled Banner.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Budden]

But some songs, maybe you just want to hear the regular racist way. Like some racism I don't think was intended to be altered.

[Ish]

But you could love her and not. And not like that.

[Parks]

I liked it. I saw a lot of people hating on, so I watched it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't love it.

[Joe Budden]

I liked it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't hate it.

[Ish]

But I heard.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't love it.

[Ish]

I ain't like it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we know. We know you know you didn't like it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's at least three reasons.

[Joe Budden]

Leave our flag alone. Yo, Ice did move to Pennsylvania, and we really can't vouch for what he was doing out there. Yo, I'm telling you, he went out there and was on some hillbilly America pickup truck type shit, then moved back to the hood. That's my man. I've always loved you, too.

[Ish]

Hood out there, too, nigga.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

It's hood out there.

[Joe Budden]

Not where you was at.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Where was you at?

[Joe Budden]

Not where you was at.

[Ish]

I was out. I was out there. I was out there. I was out there.

[Parks]

The Mennonite hood goods.

[Joe Budden]

You a Mormon, right? What he.

[Ish]

What's up with you?

[Joe Budden]

I'm asking a question. What's good you got Jesus?

[Ish]

I'm just asking. No Mormon.

[Joe Budden]

Holy.

[Ish]

What the y. Idiots.

[Joe Budden]

My bad.

[Ish]

Mormon, right?

[Joe Budden]

That's my bad.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's your bad. Man a fool. No, I don't. Ain't no Mormons, though. It's Amish people Wild.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The Menites.

[Ish]

Ice is something.

[Parks]

He's got a horse.

[Ish]

He. He Amish and Muslim. Like, I'm 5% of Muslim.

[Parks]

It might be a 5% Amish that.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know about.

[Ish]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all just.

[Ish]

Y' all are crazy.

[Parks]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma figure it out by the end of this part that I'm something outside of your cdl. I know that. For those, your frat brothers. That's his game. Anyway, man, oh, man. Congratulations to Adam Silver in the NBA. Man, it looks like y' all did get the All Star game, right?

[Parks]

Aside from the scheduling, it was. It was pretty entertaining.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Parks]

No, it was that afternoon, ain't it? You either got to go, like, 1pm and have it, like, on football time or 8pm no, man. So we can watch it.

[Ish]

It gotta be 8pm All Star Saturday night. Yeah. Was a thing. Always evening night.

[Parks]

I agree. But if you're gonna do afternoon, do it early. Early so that you wake up and put on the game and.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I see what you're saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, yeah, I didn't.

[Ish]

I didn't know that was playing that early. I was like, what?

[Parks]

The same.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I saw you tweet it, and that's what I was like, oh, it's on. I didn't even realize.

[Parks]

And it was over. As soon as I turn that on.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, all right, well, listen, now it's time for one of my favorite parts of this show. I tell ya, prize picks. All right. Since the big game is over and winners are still counting up all that money they won, it's time to focus on some of the other sports out there to get you. Get you your earnings. Get you your earnings. What sports they got? Come on, give me. What sports? What sports?

[Parks]

Curling.

[Joe Budden]

Basketball is back on Thursday. We still got curling. We still got the Olympics. Shout out to the USA Hockey. Hockey. Women's hockey team that made it to gold. They have not at. The goalie is not allowed to score this entire run. So, I mean, USA is doing their numbers.

[Ish]

Women's hockey.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Yes. Women's hockey. So you open up the app, see what you can do on there. It's really easy and simple to play. All you have to do is select two or more players, look at their projected stat line and pick more or less for your chance to win big. And the ish picks of the week. We are going with Benedict Matheran for more than four rebounds, DeMontes Sabonis for more than 15 and a half points and assists Derrick White for more than four rebounds and Victor Webignana for more than 11 rebounds. Don't forget to download the app right this very second and use promo code JBP for your chance to to get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks where it's good to be right? And now for our feature story, this podcast. Oh, this is. This is great. This is.

[Parks]

I hope this is what I think it is.

[Joe Budden]

So listen. So the other night I wake up, I went to sleep too early. So I woke up and just took two in the morning. My girl in bed. So I'm trying to find something to watch that's not gonna interrupt our binge watching of the show we're watching.

[Ish]

That'd be a thing. That'd be a thing. You trying to find something?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm just watching. Bullshit. Fucking legacy of monarchs of whatever.

[Ish]

Oh, no. That's fire though.

[Joe Budden]

Is it? Yes.

[Ish]

Oh, apple shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Is that good?

[Ish]

Yes. Season two getting ready to come out.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it didn't sound good.

[Ish]

No, that's good.

[Joe Budden]

There's a big monster coming, so we need to help up the other big monsters. Where's King Kong and Godzilla?

[Ish]

Nah, it's. It's different. Monarch. Legacy of monsters is called.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so I'll check it out.

[Ish]

Yeah, check it out.

[Joe Budden]

I got to hear your description. I said I'll check it out. All right. But anyway, so I. So I end up. Cause he about to like really tell me. I don't care. So I end up just clicking on the three episode order of Americans, America's next top model.

[Parks]

Doc, wait, you watch this without Shade?

[Joe Budden]

I watched episode one without shot.

[Parks]

Oh, that sounds like whooping.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Budden]

Well, she was sleep. I mean, I didn't want to interrupt her and I really didn't think that this was about to be a thing.

[Parks]

Oh, it's a thing.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, was I mistaken. By the time I got to the end of episode one, I said, okay, I can't watch any more of this. Yeah, she's gonna want to watch this.

[Parks]

See, Rem's a Tik Tok girly. Like Shade's a Tick Tock girly. So she's been telling me about the Tick Tockers Reporting back on 20, 25, 26 year Eyes on America's Next topic model. So she's been forecasting this.

[Joe Budden]

Let me tell you guys out there who. There's so many people that I just didn't know needed to be put underneath the jail like Chevy Chase. I had no idea. Tyra Banks needs her own independent cell underground, like the jail from paradise on.

[Ish]

Them black sites in the new.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Tyra Banks. Tyra Banks.

[Parks]

That show was a.

[Joe Budden]

A mess.

[Parks]

Holy shit.

[Joe Budden]

What a great mess. What a great show. If you haven't seen the America's Next Top Model shit on Netflix, this is not an ad. I promise you, you are in for some good viewing. I don't know if it's meant to be a comedy.

[Parks]

I was cracking up the whole time. I laughed, but, like, kind of out of disgust. Let me be clear. Dark sense of humor. Like, it's not funny.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. What they were doing to these contestants was not funny at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's so bad that they were doing.

[Parks]

Well in season one?

[Joe Budden]

Well, where would you like to begin?

[Ish]

And when was season one? What year?

[Joe Budden]

Do you know?

[Parks]

Oh, two. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Somewhere back then. Somewhere back then.

[Parks]

Season one, one of the contestants who was like a stalker at Walgreens in the middle of the country somewhere, gets on the show and they go to Milan, Italy, and they got some dudes driving around on the Vespas, some Italy tourist shit. They invite the guys back after the shoot and they get drunk in the hot tub and blackout. She ends up being essayed, essentially. She was blackout drunk.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Right.

[Parks]

By one of the people. And they filmed everything. And then she had a boyfriend. So they filmed her calling her boyfriend to tell him that she cheated on him. But it wasn't. I don't think that's really cheating. Also because she was blackout drunk, right?

[Ish]

She was. Yeah. I got you. Wow. And they filmed that.

[Parks]

And this is episode one of the doc, which I have an issue with, by the way, because the. The infractions got very, very less. Like, it started with that, and then it was like, Inappropriate models, dancing scenes. A little handsy, which is terrible in itself, don't get me twisted.

[Ish]

But.

[Parks]

But this woman was assaulted on camera.

[Ish]

Yikes.

[Joe Budden]

Lizard Parks is even speeding some for me.

[Parks]

Yeah, okay, slow down.

[Joe Budden]

Step one, Act Cycle one is regular.

[Ish]

Model.

[Joe Budden]

You're thin. You're not thin. You're fat. You're not fat. But there was this black girl that they was just treating her way.

[Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

That's horrible. And at the first. This is the first cycle. The first scene so this could be taken either way. This could be taken like, hey, this is regular model shit that they're doing. Or it can be taken like they are pinpointing and highlighting this black girl and speaking to her a certain way. And what that was is they were calling her. They were saying that she appeared ashy. Yeah, they were calling her ashy. Bad skin.

[Parks]

She had amazing skin, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So it started with just these black racist buzzwords to this one black woman.

[Ish]

Who was saying stuff.

[Parks]

Tyra Banks.

[Ish]

Oh, okay. Really?

[Joe Budden]

It's Tyra fucking Banks.

[Parks]

Tyra Banks. Absolute monster.

[Ish]

Tyra's a monster.

[Joe Budden]

She's horrible.

[Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

If I'm going by this.

[Parks]

And I am same.

[Joe Budden]

And I. So at first you're like, okay, that's bad. But it just. To me, it kept getting worse and worse. I think the essay rape portion was probably the worst thing that they showed, and that was horrible. The boyfriend saw a commercial one day for America's Top Model. Next Top Model encouraged his girlfriend to go on the show. Like park said, she. She's in the house. They invite guys over. She says, I'm a bad. A bad drunk. I. I don't really drink. I'm a light drinker. They put alcohol in there.

[Parks]

They're not feeding them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they're not. They're not feeding them. You can't eat, so, you know, the liquor's hitting. So, yeah, her and one of the guys end up having sex. They had a rule in the house that said you can. If you're in the bathroom by yourself, then no filming can be done. But other than that, this is done like the real world documentary style. But because she went in the bathroom with a guy, they can't. They went in the bathroom and filmed whatever was happening, which was an essay in the shower. It's never acknowledged that this woman is being sexually assaulted on our property, under our supervision, under our watch. So then they shape the narrative to say that she's cheating. They send Tyra into the little private campfire moment. Moment. To just talk about how she identified because she had been cheated on before. Hey, I've been. I've. I cheated before and have been cheated on before. It's tough as a model, and you got to have the discipline. This is the conversation she's having at the campfire. So the girl is like, wait, what? Then they force her to call the boyfriend, like park said on air, to say, I cheated on you. And this whole is. It's as horrible as it sounds.

[Parks]

Back to the. The poor black girl that they called Ashy. They give her, like, some special lotion. And then the other people are, like, complaining about her leaving lotion on the door handles, and it was horrible. Oh, they cut her hair wrong with the wrong clippers. And, I mean.

[Joe Budden]

But then they highlighted how highly successful this show became after the first season. And then they started to do Africa's Next Top Model, London's Next Top Model. So. So they're exploiting these people who believe that they're coming to get some type of modeling gig and modeling help, but this is really all for shits and giggles and for television purposes, and we're conducting this like a television show. The grievances got so bad, I had to start writing them down because I would forget. Then you got the dentist episode.

[Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Wait, let me just ask. Did. Did Tyra herself, like, appear in this.

[Joe Budden]

And say, yes, this is her show. She's a. Tyra is on this show and in a. Beautiful. On the dock. She's in. She's in a beautiful jacket. Leather jacket, makeup done. Hair. Hair to it. And she's explaining her thought process, but she's not apologizing.

[Parks]

No.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

She has not apologized for any of the behavior. In fact, after the essay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Essay.

[Joe Budden]

Speech. Essay part was done, it was her and the producer. Dude, I want to say his name is Ken, saying, yeah, this was filmed documentary style. And we were sure to get with the cameras. Never stopped. Wrong. That was the attitude about it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Never that.

[Joe Budden]

This is never an apology. So you fast forward later on, there's another girl. There's two girls. I don't know what cycle we're in. Now. There's two girls, one black, one white. Both. The black girl has a gap in her mouth. Mouth.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

The. The white girl, her teeth is up. So one of the challenges in every season, the challenges got exponentially more difficult and just. Just weird. Yeah.

[Parks]

It starts with a makeover, which is hair, makeup, you know, regular. Get some extensions, maybe change your dress the way you dress, find an identity like that. But then.

[Joe Budden]

But now she's saying, we're gonna go to the dentist. And she picks these two girls with the fucked up real, takes him to the dentist. She tells the black girl, we have to get rid of this gap. If you want to work and be a model and be on the COVID of magazines, you can have no gap.

[Parks]

She don't want to get rid of the gap.

[Joe Budden]

So the girl says multiple times, I like my Gap. I love my Gap. I don't want to get rid of my Gap. So then Tyra blasts her in front of the. Whatever the end scene of America's Next Top Model is when you're in front of everybody. Blasts her, yells at her, screams at her, and basically says, if I keep you on this show, will you? I'll remove you, but I'll keep you if you promise to get your gap shortened. So the girl does get the gap short. And they show the white girl, she get her whole jibs redone. And she's excited because for her it feels like hitting the lottery because she could never afford to get the Vince work done. But the black girl is really angry about it. She got her gap closed. She's here live talking about it with her gap closed. And then they fast forward to a later cycle where Tyra is picking a contestant to basically go get a gap in certain.

[Parks]

It. Yeah. Get it widened.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Huh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I was thinking. I was like, yeah, there are a lot of people who want that as like a. Especially now.

[Ish]

Now it's different than back then, though. Yeah.

[Parks]

And mind you, they're not doing like proper ortho orthodontist work. They're just like ripping some teeth out and like putting some new in. It's not in my experience as someone who went through Orthodol Invisalign, you don't just like go in there, pull some out and call it a day. Like, it's a long process, dog.

[Joe Budden]

They wouldn't let. They wouldn't let her call her parents or her or her attorney before the procedure. They made her sign paperwork and wouldn't let her speak to her parents or her attorney.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So that just lets you know that not only are they on bullshit, but they're well aware of bullshit that they're on. It's cool. Fast forward to hold up. That was after my dentist was after dentist. Oh, race swapping.

[Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

They race swapped twice.

[Parks]

Yes. Blackface, white face, Native American face. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

With and. And for them, how they explained it was, this is us showing appreciation to all of the different cultures that make the modeling business run, go, go round.

[Parks]

And they brought babies for them, like to hold of the race that they're transformed into.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this dog. But at this point, I'm bawling hysterical in my bed. I can't even believe that they putting this shit on tv. But it's not funny. They got this white girl painted with all black face. And then they said, and bring the kids, bring the kids. So they bring a little black boy out there. And then at the end of that clip you hear Tyra saying, man, think of the. Think of the Egyptians. Think of what the Egyptians went through.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

She said to have her wine have around it. Yes, she did think of the Egyptians. And everything they went through, Tyra is.

[Parks]

A nut, a monster.

[Joe Budden]

And then they did that twice.

[Parks]

Yeah, I was gonna say they. They set it up. Oh, my God. That. Yeah, we probably shouldn't have did that. And then they're like, two seasons later, they did the same again.

[Joe Budden]

Again.

[Ish]

Let's run it back.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Lord.

[Parks]

Another particularly egregious one to me is they did like a. For some reason, dead models scene.

[Joe Budden]

They did that twice, too.

[Parks]

They did that twice too.

[Joe Budden]

The death photo shoot. Yeah.

[Parks]

But one girl in particular, her mom was shot in the head from, like, some dv. And in her pose. She was shot in the head.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Parks]

This shit is twisted.

[Ish]

They getting off some sick shit on people. They getting their shit off. That's what it sound like.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's three.

[Joe Budden]

Hiding it behind three episodes.

[Parks]

Three episodes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, three episodes.

[Parks]

About an hour Ish each.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I'm definitely watching it.

[Parks]

It's totally worth it. This is totally your bag.

[Joe Budden]

I'm into this Tyra Banks monster dog. And then at the end of all of this, and it's much worse than we're describing. Yeah. At the end of all of this, Tyra got the nerve to start plugging some cycle 25, which is the show coming back now. That told me that she was a little off in the head.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah. If I could go up here, describe all this foul shit that. All this much that's now on the name. And now I'm gonna come and bring it back again.

[Joe Budden]

But she didn't apologize for anything. Actually. She doubled down in most of it, outside of maybe one of the race swaps. And they had her. They showed clips of her going on all of these talk shows, giving you the performative. Worked on, practiced spiel of, oh, and these models. And we want to help them. And. Yeah, we just want to do that. But the model, one of them is cursed now. Now, the black girl. Well, there's a few black girls. One of them is cursed now. Let me find it.

[Parks]

Well. Cause they are promised essentially a career in modeling. And you get a. I think a Wilhelmina or one of the big agencies to represent you. But the agencies don't look at you seriously, because you were on some TV reality show shit.

[Ish]

I came from over here.

[Parks]

Yeah, we're not. Not really taking you seriously. Yeah, you're signed here.

[Ish]

Yeah, I just that's what I googled to see how many people have made it. I mean, Winnie Harlo that we would know, and Eva. But it's a whole bunch of girls that. A bunch of girls made it. I can't really pronounce all of their names, but it's been some.

[Joe Budden]

Some prodigy.

[Ish]

It's been some hating. Yo, you a hater.

[Joe Budden]

You know, it's all right, bro. Help you?

[Parks]

My problem with the doc is that they started off with essay of this girl, and at the end, like you said, they're like, plugging a new show. So, like, the infractions got gentler and gentler and gentler, and it ends up kind of. It seems like they tried to make it like an ad kind of thing.

[Ish]

I don't know. A roll out for maybe. Yeah, maybe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't.

[Ish]

I didn't.

[Parks]

I didn't love the way that they kind of brushed over some very serious infractions, in my opinion, and made a bigger deal out of. We didn't really get these girls modeling careers, which is bad. But it's a TV show. Like, some of those expectations should be tempered, in my opinion, as opposed to filming someone getting fucking essayed, dog.

[Joe Budden]

One of the stories that Parks mentions when they're on the photo shoot, and they toss in these. These extras, these guys. So the girl is saying, listen, one of the guys there that they have thrown in is being extremely flirtatious with me. He's making me uncomfortable. And then they show a clip of him, like, harassing her on some. Hey, where you going after this? Or just whatever he was saying. So then they show the shoot, and it's supposed to be her in the middle dancing and these guys dancing around her, but the homeboy that was trying to kick it to her is touching her the whole time, like, you know, just touching her body, just mad excited. So she stops it. She stops the whole shoot and says, and you happy? You rooting for it? She says, yo, I'm uncomfortable. This man has been on me the whole time, and he's been trying to kick it. I don't know if this is how it normally goes, but I'm not really comfortable with this. And she said she was met with just disappointment. Almost like they were shocked that we were stopping production to speak about this. And then she just highlighted the nerve and audacity that it took. Took for. They talked about the final picture that they took from that shoot, which was the same guy.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Groping, Grabbing her ass during the dance. This show would just. It's too Much happened for me to explain it to you. I'm definitely going to watch it again.

[Ish]

I'm watching.

[Joe Budden]

But it's totally changed my perception of Tyra Banks. Like, she sounded full of. Yeah, wow. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm definitely going to watch this.

[Joe Budden]

It's not just the actions. It's when they pant to her. She sounded like somebody that was just. Just full of, which is crazy.

[Parks]

Whatever I gotta do for me and everybody else, essentially.

[Joe Budden]

Basically. And by the end of it, most of the people that worked with her got fired or left because their conscious couldn't take. I can't even work on this anymore. But by the end, a lot of them didn't speak to her. Yeah. Actually, I think the show ends with the rest of the important people outside of Ken the producer and Tyra, like, meeting up Lincoln, having drinks, hugging each other, like reminiscing, like talking about it without her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tyra Banks, boy. Sheesh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Horrible, horrible, horrible. And then there's always been these stories lingering about Tyra and how she feels about young black women, but it's all like rumors and hearsay. I don't have any evidence of that. But watching this. Oh, shit. And somewhere along the line, when the show was having success, they started talking about the execs that kind of were. That okayed some of these things and the chain of command. The execs that kind of, you know.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And they say one of the girls said, yeah, because Dawn Ostroff said that when such and such and such. And I'm sitting there and I'm snapping upside. Dawn was Don Ostroff. Dawn Ostroff. I know Dawn Ostroff. Dawn Ostroff is the big wig TV exec that Spotify had come over there in year two when I was on the pod saying all that there's racism on the bridge shit. And I don't know her to be racist. So I'm not putting that on. What I'm saying is I could tell in the functioning of things that I was being treated a way that didn't have anything to do with metrics, numbers or my performance. Like, she, when she got on the phone, it was on. Like she had no idea who I was. This guy that's been number one for two years. Where you from? How's the weather in la? She said, I was in Astoria underneath the train tracks. She's like, hey, Joe House, Louisiana. Ryan. You're like, yo, dog, are you giving me $100 million or not?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

It gets to the point in the conversation where you know, not to even ask that because, you know, you know.

[Ish]

Looking at you like a Tom and.

[Joe Budden]

I'm watching this shit, and I'm like, all these years early. That's just your bag.

[Parks]

I knew I recognized the name, but I didn't.

[Ish]

She was the chief content officer and advertising business officer of Spotify.

[Joe Budden]

And Dawn Ostroff has seen tremendous success, which is the part that's scary, because the people that are going to act as barricades and barriers to your success and what should or shouldn't be happening for you feel away because of you black or you nigger or whatever you are. And we super successful. So, man, it was a mind fuck all over the place for me. Shout out to Dawn Ostrov. I'm so glad you're out of my life. I'm so glad that my success does not hinge on how. What you have for breakfast, Because I felt bad for those girls you was involved. Oh, my Lord.

[Parks]

That show was a damn mess.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, if you. If you get some time, please give this one a spin. You should not be disappointed.

[Parks]

You won't be.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. Not at all.

[Ish]

We for sure watching that one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we should. I hate to darken the mood.

[Ish]

Do you?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, let's do it. We prep for you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Nah. It's a tough day for me and for black people. Yeah. Anybody who loves black people, It's a tough day. Early this morning, Reverend Jesse Jackson passed away at the age of. Of 84. It's a tough loss for so many of us. He had been diagnosed with Parkinson's, and he'd been ill for a while, so it wasn't a medical surprise, but it still was no less devastating for so many of us. I think it's important for us to really understand who Jesse Jackson was and what he meant to our community, to our country, to the world. You know, sometimes as you age and new leaders come and new people come, it's easy to forget the people whose shoulders we stand on. But Jesse Jackson was different in every way imaginable. He's a child of the civil rights movement. He was a mentee of Martin Luther King. He was a civil rights pioneer himself. He's the founder of Operation Push, Operation Breadbasket. He did so many things for so many people, and I think it's incredibly important that we remember him for who he was. A lot of times, Martin Luther King is somebody who died and was swept into martyrdom like Malcolm X and Medgar Everest and all these other people. But Jesse Jackson had the burden. Jesse Jackson had The burden of living. He had to live and he had to struggle and he had to get up and he had to fall and he had to do all sorts of things, which is different and harder. And he did it with style and grace and dignity. And he did it for us. And I think we can't forget that there is no civil rights movement without people like Jesse Jackson. He ran for president twice, in 1984 and 1988. 88. And I think 88.

[Joe Budden]

That's Dukakis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's Dukakis. And he won 13 states, by the way. We like to act like that was a vanity run or a showrunner. He got more states than Joe Biden. But that wasn't just a vanity run. He expanded the electorate. He got people registered who weren't voting already. And that didn't just do Jesse Jackson a service, it did black people a service. He ran in 84 and Dinkins wins in 85. He runs in 88. Douglas Wilder becomes governor of Virginia in 89. He changed how voting worked. He changed how this country worked. And he forced the Democratic Party, as failed as it is and continues to be, he forced it to listen to our needs and to respond to black people in a way that people don't understand. Jesse Jackson freed hostages. He's the one who met with Arafat. He's the one who freed Al Assad. He went to Syria, he went to Palestine. He went to these places and brought hostages. He created jobs. He forced companies in corporate America to listen to us and to act right by us. He organized boycotts that changed the world. Jesse Jackson was. He was different and he was a cultural icon. I think that's the part that people forget. One of the most important albums. You know, you listen to Aretha Franklin's albums, he's there. You go to one of the most important concerts. Watt Stacks. He's speaking at Watt Stacks. And one of the hip hop sandwich always hears brothers and sisters. That's Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson was at every cultural. He was opening space for people all across the board. He was on Sesame Street.

[Joe Budden]

He was.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, he was everywhere. And again, he did it for us. He was a global leader before we had black presidents. Jesse Jackson was our president before we had people who could represent us in corporate America. Jesse Jackson was our representative. Jesse Jackson was so special. And he was a mentor and a friend and a hero of mine. He's the first person to bring me to Africa. He took me around, he mentored me. He was always a friend. He was always just wonderful to Me. But beyond that, I think the thing that I learned most from Jesse Jackson, in conclusion, is that he never stopped getting up. You know, he grew up in Greenville, South Carolina, and a child of segregation, and he still found books to read. He was, you know, played football. They wouldn't let him be quarterback. He still played football and fought, you know, and got better. He was somebody who's had to stand on the balcony as Martin Luther King was assassinated. And instead of folding as he could have, he created organizations and movements to help poor people. Jesse Jackson was born with a father who didn't, who lived next door. His dad, Noah Robinson, had a family next door. He would literally stand in the window and look at his father with his actual family because his father was married to somebody else and look and watch them. And around town, they told him that because he didn't know who his father was or because his father didn't claim him, that he was nobody. And he went to children around the world and said, I am somebody. He was preaching to himself. But he also turned that. That message and that ministry out to the world and said, whether you were poor, whether you're on welfare, whether. Whether you come from this place or that place, you are still somebody. Jesse Jackson is the epitome of the wounded healer. He was hurt and he was harmed, but he never stopped trying to heal the world. And he was not perfect. And there will be people right now, as is their right, because I do it sometimes, who have criticisms of Jesse Jackson, but again, he had the burden of living. And as he said in 84, we're not perfect servants. We're public servants working against the odds. And so as I continue to grow, be patient with me. God's not finished with me yet. Seems now God is finished with Jesse Jackson on this plane. And so we send him gratitude. We send him love. I send love to his family for being our steward, for being our leader, for being the person who helped us when we had no help, who represented us when we had no representation, and who loved us until the day he died.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace, referee. Jesse Jackson and thank you words indeed.

[Parks]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

Seems like a bad time to say rest in peace Robert Duvall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I figured ICE would get that one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Come on. Robert Duvall died, man. That's our guy. It's his guy. Yeah, it's his guy.

[Ish]

Stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace. Robbie Duvall. Two hands for sure. Amazing actor of Godfather fame. Yes. Golden Globe. I think he won a Golden Globe four times, if I'm reading right. But I'm off The dome. Emmy award winner for Oscar winner. Baft. BAFTA winner. Oscar winner. Let me pull it up. Because he won too much. Here we go. Academy Award. BAFTA Award. Four Golden Globe Awards, two Primetime Emmy awards, a Satellite Award and a Screen Actors Guild Award. At the time his death, he was one of the last surviving stars from the golden age of Hollywood. Real known from the Godfather as well as countless other things. Rest in peace, Bobby Duvall. Gone but not forgotten. I gotta freeze. Don't worry about it. All right. Brother Mark has to run. He's hitting y' all with an Eskimo goodbye or Irish goodbye. Mark. We love you. Take care, bro.

[Parks]

Peace, Mark.

[Ish]

So you can see.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, what's going on?

[Ish]

What's going on?

[Joe Budden]

What's going on?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What's going on?

[Ish]

What's going on? What's going on?

[Joe Budden]

Here you go. Yeah. Rest in peace, Jesse Jackson and Robert Duvall.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, Mark, for your beautiful Marcus.

[Ish]

He's excellent at that.

[Joe Budden]

She's such a pastor when it comes to that type of stuff.

[Ish]

He get up there and get the going.

[Joe Budden]

No, I appreciate him. Word. I do.

[Ish]

We wouldn't have did that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I would have tried.

[Ish]

I mean, we wouldn't have did.

[Joe Budden]

You would have gave it a shot. Somebody would have had. I wouldn't. His voice changed. That's what I'm saying. You hear him? We couldn't.

[Ish]

We couldn't do it like he did.

[Joe Budden]

He even put his. The cracks in his voice in the right place. What else needs our attention? What else needs our attention?

[Ish]

Y' all watching any good stand up lately?

[Parks]

No, actually, no.

[Joe Budden]

No, I haven't. Freeze.

[Ish]

I haven't either. Oh, I'm just. Listen, man, it was too back to back. Damn near. I'm, you know, browsing around and I see, oh, we got a new Mike Epps. And then out of nowhere. I didn't see no promotion anything. We get a new Cat Williams.

[Parks]

Yep.

[Ish]

Naturally, I'm gonna run. I'm a haul ass to both of those for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Ish]

Save it.

[Parks]

Damn. Really?

[Ish]

I heard that Mike Epson was all right. Compared to what? I ain't see it. I just. People said it wasn't bad. I didn't run to it, though. Like, wasn't praising it. They just was like, nah, it was pretty cool, though. They heavy hitters, so when they. They drop. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you don't. If it's out of nowhere, there's no promo for it. It pops up on your screen. Oh, yo, we gonna watch this. I'm letting y' all know y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

Don't, don't, don't. Your time.

[Joe Budden]

Don't waste your time.

[Parks]

I was thinking about watching, too.

[Ish]

Cat gonna light you up, buddy. That's okay. I mean, listen, I'm. He can critique whatever he wants to critique about me, too. He has great standups, and this one wasn't one of them.

[Joe Budden]

That was ass.

[Parks]

Oh, for real.

[Joe Budden]

It was horrible. I saw him, Cat Williams. I saw Mike eps. Nah, not their best. Not their best outings.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's all.

[Joe Budden]

At all. It's all right.

[Parks]

Yeah, Legends.

[Ish]

Y' all got classics, y' all like.

[Joe Budden]

Happens to the best of us. I don't have a negative word to say about. About either, gentleman. Just this partic. These particular standups.

[Parks]

Not so great.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, not so great. Not so great. We do have a. We have an update on what Desus has been up to.

[Parks]

Oh, great.

[Ish]

Oh, big fan of.

[Joe Budden]

If anybody was wondering. Desus from Desus Mero fame. You know what I mean? Yeah. Mero's going on to be the morning show hosted Hot 97 as well as other things. 7pm in Brooklyn. Mero's got a lot going on. Desus. Immediately after the break, we didn't hear too much from. I know he went to LA for a little while. He was making the rounds out there, doing some interviews.

[Ish]

We thought he was about to be. You know, we thought they were prepping.

[Joe Budden]

Him to do some acting. Big wig. Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

He was hanging with Colbert and that whole squad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that whole crew. And when you moved to LA and.

[Ish]

Started hanging with Colbert, you did some greater things on.

[Joe Budden]

We thought you was about to leave Merrow in the dust, boy.

[Ish]

We did.

[Joe Budden]

I did. I thought you had a trick up your sleeve, but this is what Desus is up to currently. Let's hear him out.

[Parks]

Let's do it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, here we go. What's this new show about?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This new show is called Desus Pieces. It's about me picking up the distorted and destroyed pieces of my life and putting them on the camera to entertain y', all because, I mean, that's basically what my career has been. So, you know, it's more of that. No, actually, it's called Diesel's Pieces because.

[Ish]

I. I would like to give you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Different pieces of content. It's not always gonna be me here sitting, yapping. Sometimes, you know, maybe we'll go out into the real world. Maybe I'll have, like, a sandwich that's.

[Ish]

Not a chopped cheese.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know some of y' all can't believe I eat food that's not chopped cheeses, but I do. And we're just gonna make small bits of content to entertain you.

[Joe Budden]

Desus, who's your audience?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My audience? Ooh, shut ins. People who have stray cats. If you're socially awkward, if you, you know, you're scared of your neighbors. My family fan base used to be attractive people, but since COVID So you can watch this if you're of my age, in your 20s, and you'll get all the references. And if you're like a little older, like 25, you can also watch it.

[Joe Budden]

I want to pause it.

[Parks]

It's like the worst sales job I've ever heard in my life.

[Joe Budden]

I want to pause this right here because I do want to add that he also don't look like the same guy.

[Ish]

He opera?

[Joe Budden]

Not at all. I don't feel like a big part of. And I'll send this video there, Erickson, so hopefully you can put on the screen a big part of Desus and Mero. Was that New York? We're from New York. Bronx bodega style comedy. Yeah, Desus here looks very even. Sounds like a transplant. You sound like. Like he got LA and ized.

[Ish]

I mean, like he's LA'd out back here minute.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let me not say back here because I didn't learn that till later in the clip. Let me keep. Keep the clip going. What should we call your fan base? Disciples.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good one, right?

[Joe Budden]

Degenerates.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But then it's like Ellen, look at them.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Generous degenerates.

[Joe Budden]

But she's in England.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She's in England and she's not generous.

[Joe Budden]

So there's that. That was funny. Your favorite YouTubers. It's a good question.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's her name? Jenna Bananas.

[Joe Budden]

Sure, Jenna Ban Marbles.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Excuse me.

[Joe Budden]

That her?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mitch McConnell. Really funny black guy. The sketches. Boom, right there.

[Joe Budden]

What have you been up to these past few years?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Feeling sorry for myself.

[Ish]

I moved around the country.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was on the west coast for a little bit. Picked up thrifting, got a little eating disorder, was vegan for two weeks. Back to New York because I missed the brutal cold. And I'm back.

[Joe Budden]

Pause it, pause it. Yep. Sorry. We got him. We got him. I don't know if you was trying to give out some other information. Jesus. And you a good guy? I got absolutely no problem with you. Wish you nothing but success. But it's the same as when the bitches moved to LA and get fucking ran through. And the nigga they thought was gonna save them kick him out. And then they Gotta move back home. He's basically saying, yo, since COVID been down, I've been picking up the pieces of my life. I know he's doing it with like this satire, comedian type of thing. Yeah. Going. But I don't believe none of that. I don't believe none of that satire shit. I think he went to LA and got his ass handed to him.

[Ish]

Yeah, but it might not be. He might be turning it into satire about telling the harsh truth at the same time.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

Yeah. I'm saying. But you. Like. I ain't buying it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not buying the satire portion of it.

[Ish]

No, I think he. This happened a lot. Yeah, A.B.

[Joe Budden]

This happened. You went out there, got cracked. We ain't wait three and a half years for you to pop back up with decent pieces.

[Parks]

Decent pieces. I end up doing a bunch of random.

[Ish]

I was just going to say, even.

[Parks]

The description, it sounds not very focused.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. It sound like we ain't flushed this out all the way yet.

[Joe Budden]

And let me act entitled for a second.

[Parks]

And I'm a fan of decent.

[Joe Budden]

Spell word.

[Ish]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

Me too. But people that see a lot of success with culture, like, there is a part of me that does expect some type of. Some type of. He just disappeared. Yeah, you just disappeared. And the first thing you pop back up with is decent pieces. No. What happened? Where'd you go?

[Ish]

Or maybe you'll get that.

[Joe Budden]

Why did you try to disassociate? Why haven't you spoken to anybody? Why does nobody know nothing? Why was Mero so mad and felt like. See, watching this, you kind of get some of the. Mero was pissed when that breakup happened. Some. Yo, you boogied on us. How could you boogie from the gang? We was solid. It was two of us. Who cares if Showtime don't want us? Let's pick this thing up and take this somewhere. And the way he made it sound. Cause I talked to him. I interviewed him. Desus, I mean, not Desus. Merrill was like. Desus had other plans. And he didn't fuck with me in the business, partner. He went to la. He's on some movie.

[Ish]

But we seen this shit happen where you think the grass is greener. Like, yo, I think I could do this. Or you get the wrong people in your ear who you think are the right people telling you that this person is back.

[Joe Budden]

Cool. But don't come back over here in New York me to death now don't come. New York me to death. Don't throw the Yankee hat on now. Get the fuck outta here with that. Not to Deecis.

[Ish]

No. That's what a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Not to Desus, but this New York performative. And the first thing you do when shit get rough in New York, New York is running to la. Get the out of here. Deuces pieces.

[Ish]

See, I don't think. I don't. I don't think it was when it got tough running to la. Ran to LA as popping when it was popping. I ran to LA when my stock was high. Yeah. And I thought my next move was la, not because it's not working.

[Joe Budden]

I look at both the same. You're right. I look at both the same. You boogied. You up, jumped and boogied. And now you back in our face talking about some. Oh, I'm picking up the shattered pieces of my life. Wait, why?

[Ish]

What?

[Parks]

I mean, I might rather see the shattered pieces of life story than eating.

[Ish]

Eating random meals, but I think. I think. I think you'll get it. Yeah, I think that'll be incorporated in there. I think this just might be his trailer. I don't think it was a pretty good trailer, but.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was a bad sell.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yes. Or the rollout. But I think you might be.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't the first thing we should have heard from Deesus. I ain't gonna lie. Deusus, we care about you.

[Parks]

Yeah, it should look and sound better.

[Joe Budden]

We care. We. That's the thing. When I say culture, I mean, niggas learned about you from doing something and cared about it about you, is what I'm saying. So now you only in our face when it's time for us to consume something, watch something, purchase something. I think that is whack.

[Ish]

I do.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's whack.

[Ish]

I. I think it goes.

[Joe Budden]

And I think it's nobody in that decent pieces room that's going to say, hey, dog, this is whack. Yeah. This ain't the first time that we should see or hear you coming off of what was an extremely big show and get the out at theseus. Pieces. I love you, but these are pieces. I don't know.

[Ish]

Well, somebody might have been in that room saying, this is whack, but ain't nothing else shaking. So we got to do this anyway.

[Parks]

We should try it.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying? I mean, I'm again just looking at the trailer. It.

[Joe Budden]

It.

[Ish]

Doesn't this look like we just thought to do this yesterday now.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? And it could be.

[Joe Budden]

I don't believe.

[Ish]

And hold on. It could Be, you know, again, I always. Y' all know me. I always say, yo, why are we getting this right now down Mer's hottest fish grease. Merl just popped off. Merrow just set it off.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I was already doing my thing with the 7pm in Brooklyn, and now I get this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So I. I gotta say, I can. I can hear the pressure telling this.

[Parks]

Little half baked idea gotta come out.

[Ish]

No, I can't have people stand. Yo, you overthinking this. Just get it. You gotta get out there. Fix your face, man.

[Joe Budden]

I. With deezus.

[Ish]

We all do.

[Joe Budden]

I don't with this move. And I'm not saying that the show won't be great. I'll check it out, of course, but. Nah, that's corny. That was corny. How you did that was corny.

[Ish]

I didn't like the trailer.

[Parks]

Yeah, it's better.

[Ish]

Or whatever you call it. Yeah, it would have been like that. It wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

You can't fool me with the self deprecation stick.

[Parks]

You could do it better too.

[Joe Budden]

That was something.

[Ish]

Oh, you could. You gotta do it better. Like you gotta do it on some Marco type shit, you know what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Like, you should have damn near been like under the trains in Astoria, you know what I'm saying? On some New York.

[Joe Budden]

Because if you're gonna say you picking back up the pieces of your life, then come back up here and say, yo, I blew it or that. Say it. Yo, I tried to. I tried to bust a move. I tried to go to Hollywood. I tried to get with Kevin Hart's team. I tried. I tried. Or I tried to bungee on my man when he was down and out and I had a bright future future. It seemed like it didn't work.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Come up here and tell truth.

[Ish]

He's not saying it for free. He. Yo, you want to see it? I'm gonna tell y' all what happened. I'm gonna tell y' all when I was sleeping in the studio, over a studio with three. But you're gonna have to tune in to get that information. But say that though, that's my thing. Like, I think we'll get it, but that trailer doesn't tell me that we're gonna get that.

[Joe Budden]

And even if this is right, sometimes put short term, short term money over long term gain whatever money you about to get from. Yo, I'm not saying it for free. Well, you ain't said nothing for three years, so. I mean, once we come get whatever we looking for from your story, niggas is Boogieing again versus you at least trying to appear. That's my thing. That's what I'm learning about me. I have a big problem with people that just are overtly disingenuous. Like that's how Tyra Banks came off in that fucking thingamajiggy. Just like a fake fuck.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And Desus comes off not like a fake fuck. But this seems very disingenuous. It does. That's just my own take from it.

[Parks]

It just seems not focused to me. Yeah, that's. That's my biggest problem. Yeah.

[Ish]

And with. I don't know how you rush it after having three years, but it still seems rushed. It seemed like this idea just came together. Yo, let's just do something right. Get out there now.

[Joe Budden]

I did find the. The girl. Tiffany cursing out Tyra Banks solo and Tyra Banks, you don't even deserve to have your name mentioned before we join Chester Jackson, rest in peace. She says, hold up, Tyra Banks, let's keep it cute. You are one lying ass tied ass. You know you treated me. You know you treated me the whole time off and on. On camera. You was a bully. You treated me like and said the nastiest things about me and my son. This is not how the argument went. But y' all edited it to make it look like you cared. Also the shave room. Y' all weird ass fans. And you, Tyra B. Banks. I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it. Also fuck my family too. Yeah, y' all don't ever defend me. I got more money and helping more people than all of. Than all or many of the top models. But that's the update y' all give me. Damn shame it's giving y' all still hating on little black ass Me at Tyra Banks, ho. Just let it go. It's been over 20 years. The damn.

[Ish]

All right.

[Parks]

Y operados. Which model was that?

[Joe Budden]

That was Tiffany. That was. I want to say the young lady with the gap.

[Parks]

No, that was the girl that she was trying to like. Fake mentee. I think the girl that was on earlier and then she did it and then she brought her back and she. End episode.

[Joe Budden]

That is who I'm talking about. Such a pretty girl too.

[Parks]

She was such a pretty girl.

[Joe Budden]

What else needs our attention? We can run through all it. You want to talk about the Vlad post causing quite the stir? DJ Vlad posted what I assumed to be sarcasm.

[Parks]

I thought it was sarcasm.

[Joe Budden]

I thought it was trolling. I didn't take it seriously at all. But The Internet is stupid sometimes, so they took it as gospel.

[Parks]

I had people who I deemed to be intelligent, smart, witty people saying, yo, is this real?

[Joe Budden]

What'd he say? You got it?

[Ish]

Yeah, I got it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's hear it.

[Ish]

I have a confession. Action. Roc Nation has been paying me to support Megan. They also paid off all the jury members to convict Tory. And they bribed a judge too. Jay Z did a verse for his grandson's new album. They paid off Megan's doctor to lie about the bullet fragments, and she was never shot. The LA police are all on Jay's payroll, and it doesn't stop with la. But you're not ready to hear that part. The Mexican guy who stabbed Tory, who do you think paid him to do that? You already know the answer to that. The three Supreme Court judges who denied Tory's appeal all paid off by the Rock Mafia. Jay also paid Trump not to pardon Tory, even though it's a state case. Trump can only part in federal cases. But knowing Trump's. Knowing Trump likes to bend the rules, Jay wasn't taking any chances. I can't keep these lies secret anymore. If this is my last tweet, you know who silenced me.

[Parks]

That screams sarcasm to me, but I.

[Ish]

Mean, it screamed it the. The federal. Like a lot of this shit just. Jay did a verse was grandson's album. That's word that I was like, okay, he's around. I don't know why, but he's around.

[Joe Budden]

Why didn't the Internet know he was around?

[Ish]

Because the Internet wants to believe they want it.

[Joe Budden]

Because they want to hang Jay Z.

[Parks]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

No matter what.

[Ish]

So no matter who somebody come out saying, saying anything like this, which is confirming all the. That they keep saying about hov, they ready to go. Because that's what it is.

[Joe Budden]

At the end of the day, they're.

[Ish]

Looking for any reason to. To hang Jay. Why would Vlad post that?

[Parks]

Better question, but.

[Joe Budden]

Who you asking?

[Ish]

No, I'm just saying, like, I have.

[Joe Budden]

No answer for why people troll when they troll. To me, once you say you're trolling means you don't get to answer any of the. You don't have to answer the why or the motive or the you trolling. Okay.

[Ish]

I don't know. You got it, you got it. No, no, no. I'm just saying all I should be. Oh, you're saying it's just. It's goofy. Be goofy to me, bro. Like, I don't. You get what I'm saying? Like, you know what?

[Parks]

You know, there's some people out There. Vlad knows some people.

[Ish]

You know this is going to go super duper duper viral and create a frenzy, right? Whether good or whether bad, you know what it's gonna do. So why would you do that? Even if like let's say you. You on J and M side, let's say. Because if he trolling, then it's sarcasm. Like yo, hahaha. Jay Z got all the power in the world.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Ish]

If that's your stance, right. You know what it's going to do on the other side of the aisle. So I don't. I don't know y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

I just think this is disgusting. He's since posted a couple things a couple hours ago for everyone checking on me. I'm okay for now. And then two hours ago. And for the record, I wasn't hacked.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we done with that.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm just saying, like we done with.

[Joe Budden]

Vlad and the trolling. Let him have his fun. Is trolling cool? Got it. That don't need serious reporting from me. I was just shocked to see that.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was weird.

[Joe Budden]

It was very weird. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Did you guys. What do you guys fall on? The Little Wayne fans tearing Lussell a new one? There's a clip of Russell going around where he's saying that he's the biggest Wayne fan in the world. Actually. I'll play the clip. Yeah, I'll play the clip.

[Parks]

He posted it. Cuz the first clip came out him saying I love Wayne. But he. Don't be saying. But it was in a context of a longer conversation where he was basically saying he was his favorite rapper and so he. Thank God. Post the his version.

[Ish]

The full part.

[Parks]

The full part. Cuz people will take a little snippet.

[Ish]

Of something you don't say. Yeah, it just happened to us. You know, one of the homies put.

[Joe Budden]

Me on this is his post.

[Ish]

Like bars, boy, I used to have a notebook.

[Joe Budden]

Bars.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What was your introduction to Wayne?

[Ish]

So there's two introduction to Wayne. There's an introduction to Wayne that's through culture and your parents that you have no merit in. Right. And then there's an introduction when you get to like dive and mine. I think it was like the drought too. And that was like my reintroduction. I'm like, man, dedication mixtapes. This was pre no ceilings.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

The Carter Carter one and Carter two were amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm glad we're like positively talking about our last guest.

[Parks]

Shat on Lil Wayne so hard.

[Ish]

I love Wayne so much and. But I understand how someone could be like, man, this is. This isn't the Wayne that, like, I remember, right? No, I had a. I had a moment in my journey where I had grew a disdain for Wayne just because I started listening to everything.

[Joe Budden]

This is the part that was clear as a human.

[Ish]

And I'm like, damn, I love you because I learned how to rap through you. But when you look at the contribution, it's like, man, but he was also a kid. Wayne was a kid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was like 14, 15 when he.

[Ish]

Man, a kid.

[Parks]

Like, you know, cuz, think about it. He was dropped out of school at 13 years old. You know, you're just like.

[Ish]

And he was adopted by gangsters, indoctrinated.

[Parks]

To a whole project.

[Joe Budden]

It was.

[Ish]

Yeah, like. Like he. He gave everything he could. And I love Wayne and I found.

[Joe Budden]

Lord versus this is what the he was.

[Ish]

He had a conviction, you know? You know, I had a. I had a moment in my journey where I had grew a disdain for Wayne just because I started listening to everything. Like, I started maturing as a human. And I'm like, damn, this nigga wasn't talking about nothing for a long time. You know, like, as a. As someone who, like, grow up in these communities, right, and grew up with homies who I seen want to be bloods because they following Wayne and want to be gangster and want to shoot all the gun bar and like, I've seen the negative that he contributed to the community and I had to look like, man, what are the songs where he really talked about something and gave. And out of a thousand song catalog, you know, it's my new on this end.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like Georgia Bush and I do.

[Ish]

And that dude body meant tie my hands.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The only one I.

[Ish]

And that's the thing. It's like if I hug you once but I.

[Joe Budden]

You get the point.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

D. I think both things could be true. Wayne is incredible. He maybe didn't have the deepest content in his raps, but that's okay. There's mad rappers that don't have the deepest content in their raps sometimes.

[Ish]

Like, he's done all of that.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Ish]

He. Wayne first album got a song called the World Go Listen. The Russell very first album. He's talking about as a child and raising a child and my girl's family putting me on child support. And I'm like, he spoke on life shit and he rapped. But I understand his take. I have a very similar take about Eminem where you get very deep and introspective when you want to. But a lot of the times you're just rapping about how good you can rap, right? Like Wayne also said, I get paid by the letter, like A, B, C, D. And spelled out the Alphabet that. You know what I'm saying? You get both ends of the spectrum, but you don't get to just disagree.

[Joe Budden]

Similar type of take about Eminem.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Parks]

Eminem's made a lot of raps about raps. Most rappers have made a lot of raps about raps. He also has a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

I understand. I get that. That's why I'm not. I get where Ice was trying to go. He also probably has more introspective songs than most. That's why I was thrown off by your take.

[Ish]

He has more interest. Not. I'm not gonna say. Than most. He has some of the better introspective songs. But if you look at his entire catalog, I think a lot of the rappers that. That have been at that level for a long time have more interest. Like HOV has more introspective songs than.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if that's true. I don't know.

[Ish]

To me, I could. I mean, we want to. Somebody count them up. But I would agree. But I still think Em got a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Lot.

[Ish]

I'm just. I'm just saying way more than one. Later in the later part of Em's career, it became a lot of just rapping about how well I rap. That's what I'll say.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Ish]

And a lot of that turned off a lot of people. Whereas. But again, you.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Ish]

You stop. And I think the same thing happened to Wayne. You stop really experiencing a lot of things because you're so rich and successful and you can't. Do you kind of live in your bubble? You can't. I can't experience life no more. So what am I gonna rap about? How much better at it I am than the rest of you?

[Joe Budden]

I believe that we are in the middle of some type of Lil Wayne hate train out there in the world. Like, you can feel that differently than you felt it before. Like with all of the super bowl talk with the. That last album he put out and.

[Ish]

The one before, because that's where it starts.

[Joe Budden]

There is a Little Wayne hatred going on on 1, 2. Maybe La Russell does not know that there's a large portion of the Internet that is doing this Roc Nation, young money thing.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, I think there's also.

[Joe Budden]

So what it looks like is immediately after you get with Roc Nation, there's.

[Parks]

A little bit of A Russell hate train is what I was gonna say. Once someone goes from being the independent champion to getting a major look and a major deal. Deal, there's going to be some hate. And I think that this clip going viral slightly out of context, even though I think that what he said was what he said.

[Ish]

He makes a good point, though. The Russell being independent signing with a major cool. The Russell being independent, signing with Roc Nation paints a totally different taste in people's mouths because already there's this Roc Nation hate.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So just being attached to them. Now, you take that and. And the next viral clip we see is you shitting on Wayne. He not shitting on him, though. I get it. The way that clip came out.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think him posting the long clip changed what the other clip said. Like, you just told us how much you love Lil Wayne, granted. But you said what you said. And I think this is LaRussell's first foray into seeing how clip culture works and how it is when you're not just talking to your fan base and people that love you.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I've seen him. He's been going on. He's been. He's been. Russell's been going on a tangent like explaining this stuff and tweeting and posting the videos. But it's like, dog, it's nothing you could do.

[Ish]

You really can't. When that happens, once it go, you just gotta come with the territory.

[Joe Budden]

And like he's saying. That's what I was trying to say. He's saying that these blogs are being paid to paint a certain narrative of the Russell. Russell. That's not true. That. I can assure you that that's not true. How they work is they. They. They all are monetizing stories. So when they see one person post a story and it gets legs, they post the same story to get that. That's it. This is not like a form, a unified front against the Russell.

[Ish]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

This is not that you got with Roc Nation. There are more eyes and ears on you, watching your moves and being critical. You know that this is part of that. And Lil Wayne is one of the greatest rappers of all time who. Who also never made his bones on being substantive. Like, yeah, he did it, but that ain't where he took off. Yeah, true. It's not.

[Ish]

But he still had.

[Joe Budden]

And.

[Ish]

But he can do that, though.

[Joe Budden]

He's done it.

[Ish]

That's the. No, I'm just saying to the people that.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not mad at. No, I think I had that same Howard Russell feels I Felt some way about Wayne and point during his mixtape run when he was taking over the world. It's like, yo, all this is flying but this nigga's not talking about anything. No, it just didn't matter cuz he was so great, it was good. He was so great at the nothing.

[Ish]

That it didn't matter, didn't care. I just listened to some shit over the weekend with him and to me, he not rapping that much different than when he was rapping before. I think that the machine ain't behind him as much as it was in in the past. So. So I think that's where the disconnect is. He was going crazy on some of the shit I was listening to over the weekend and it was newer.

[Parks]

Oh, he's been killing.

[Ish]

That just ain't getting. I came in here and talked about it. It ain't get the push that it would have gotten had he been still with a major.

[Joe Budden]

He's gonna get the push. I keep saying rapping is like shooting a jump shot. If you knew how to rap and you knew how to shoot a jump shot, when you're 60 years old you'll be able to shoot or shoot a jump shot. But rapping is only 5% of being a rapper. Yeah, but n the same. But there's a ain't the same. The push ain't the same. The marketing ain't the same. The money ain't the same. The star power ain't the same. The features ain't the same. Nothing is the same. You by yourself on the island.

[Parks]

Everyone, everyone has a career arc and it's okay. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Like exactly.

[Parks]

Lil Wayne is not going to be the 25 year old little Wayne. Top of the world Little Wayne forever. He's still going to rep amazing. He's not going to get the push because that's just the way that it is unfortunately. But I think he's still been amazing.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's been on a feature run. Quiet as Kevin just nobody cares. He was going crazy. It was. It was. What I don't like is the revisionist history part because what happens is what a lot of the fans do is once you're. Once you're on the downside of that career arc that you spoke of, then they act like you were never hot.

[Joe Budden]

Correct.

[Ish]

And we've seen this happen over and over. We've seen it happen with 50, we've seen it happen with, with Nelly, with Ja like it's now it's Wayne's turn with em. Like everybody Once they off you, you were never hot. Like people. Like, we not gonna sit here and let y' all rewrite history. Wayne was the hottest thing smoking for, for a period of time.

[Joe Budden]

And that's on the Wayne side of things. Right? Like, you make a lot of great points, but taking Wayne out of this and the consumer may not get it. The, the artists, the entertainers, the MCs, the rappers, and maybe some people got to learn this. You gotta earn the right to even talk about people. It's, it's. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's why they pulling up the Russell's discography. All his. They're pulling up his funny outfits. They pulling up every time he was in a jolly old mood or doing some fun happy time. They pulling it up because who the are you you to be talking about Lil Wayne. It don't matter if you write or this is how you feel or this is your experience. You have to earn the right to speak about certain people. Lil Wayne is on that list.

[Ish]

Absolutely. I agree.

[Joe Budden]

No matter how you feel about him, you can't just sit down and get all willy nilly about Dwayne Carter's name.

[Parks]

You can't be a little more careful with how you word it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Cause you could have said the same thing without it being like that. Like that.

[Joe Budden]

He used the word disdain. Yeah, like think about it. You a rapper, dog. You use the word disdain over Wayne's catalog.

[Parks]

And I put a lot of on him that like his friends joining gangs and like that on Wayne, which is not really fair.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't think that.

[Ish]

So as soon as I heard the clip, I had to go look. I just want to see when LaRussell was born. He's born in 94. Which means.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what?

[Ish]

Yes. That put it in perspective to me, right?

[Joe Budden]

Shut up.

[Ish]

He's born in 94.

[Joe Budden]

The Russell was born in 1994.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Or that was the name of the.

[Ish]

Hospital born in 1994. So when I see that now I hear everything differently. My yeah, this guy's a fool.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's why he think he's could change the world. The that was born in 94. They are changing the world.

[Parks]

That's not. See, I don't even like that because that's. That means he was probably 13, 14 during Wayne's Peace peak. And that's like when you should be soaking all this in and you know.

[Ish]

What I mean, it depends. You just now getting into it, bro.

[Joe Budden]

You wasn't outside.

[Ish]

What you just getting it true. Barely. You barely getting your feet.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't outside it.

[Ish]

I disagree.

[Joe Budden]

He was not.

[Ish]

If he was born in 94. 2014. He was 20.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not talking about.

[Ish]

We're not talking about 14. No. I'm just giving you an example. 2014.

[Joe Budden]

He was 2014. To run it over.

[Ish]

I don't care about 2014.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about 05066.

[Parks]

He should have been listening. Nothing but Wayne in that era as a 13, 14 year old.

[Ish]

That's when you consider it ain't.

[Joe Budden]

You can't.

[Ish]

You know, you don't get it that you're not hitting. It's not hitting you to say that maybe true.

[Joe Budden]

You don't get to say. I grew up and learned that back.

[Ish]

Then when he said my parents. Well, he would say this too. And he said my parents. It's the way your parents put you. And I'm like, your parents. How old is this?

[Joe Budden]

He did say that, but I just.

[Ish]

Thought that's where it stood out to me, right there. So you walk. Wasn't again, bro. I know the A. Like I. I know hot boys. Wayne, but because I'm older, I remember that right. Then into Wayne solo run. You don't know car. You started off by saying dedication. Yeah. You get what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So, all right, you're telling me. You're telling me your entry point.

[Joe Budden]

You. You.

[Ish]

You don't get to talk.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you a pup. When Wayne is introspective, you can't talk.

[Parks]

That.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. You're a pup. When Carter one is out. When Carter two is out. Yeah, you. You. You're a pup. Sorry, LaRusso. I know you probably feel like this podcast is hating on you too, because I've said your name more in the past two months than I have ever before, but I'm rooting for you.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm rooting for you. But you just got to be a little more aware.

[Parks]

Yeah, you gotta be a little.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, he.

[Parks]

Back to your point of him kind of just getting the shine.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Ish]

He.

[Parks]

He's got to learn some media training, I guess, is the nice.

[Joe Budden]

What comes with it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You can't just say what you want to say about that. Sold over 10 million records on one album.

[Parks]

One of the greatest rappers of all time.

[Ish]

Fam. I saw people saying The Russell got 40 albums and I can't name one song and.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I don't think that's fair either.

[Ish]

It's not fair. It is not fair. But it's also.

[Joe Budden]

He should be able to say, yo, I grew up and realized this person wasn't really talking about all of the things that's his.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Ish]

But if you don't, you got to say. You got to say it.

[Joe Budden]

Right. Right. You're responsible for how it comes off.

[Ish]

And you can't say he ain't never talked about this. When he has talked about it, you just don't know it. I think that's being semantic, but. Well, that's a big part of your point though. If you said Wayne ain't never talked about, he don't get introspective. And I can run off some introspective. Wayne records as his fans started doing right away, running down a list of yo, this is interest. You can't say I grew up on this. But he never did this. Maybe you didn't really grow up on them. Maybe you got introduced later on and you just from your point, that's what you know.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, and also for rappers, because they went and pulled up some of the Russell songs where he not talking about nothing. I'm not a Russell catalog expert, so who knows? But I will say there's a point in every rapper career where you need to master how to rap about nothing. Too true. Like you can't just be. Every time you come out, you join a Lucas with the dual side.

[Parks]

That's exhausting too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we don't want to hear all that.

[Ish]

Yeah, don't Dr. Fans don't want to hear that.

[Joe Budden]

Rap about nothing. Well, be able to. Yeah, be able to sometimes have it in your wheelhouse.

[Parks]

A little bit of both. We need a little nice balance.

[Ish]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Hard turn from music to Michael Jordan winning. Whatever he won. What did he win?

[Parks]

NASCAR something.

[Joe Budden]

A day before his birthday. A champion. Being a champion. But the story is the scene with Michael Jordan attempting to get the ice out of the little boys clothing.

[Parks]

Is that what was happening? It looked absolutely crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's what was happening. There were chunks of ice trapped in the little boy's shorts and he was trying to break the ice and wipe it down to get it out of his shorts. But I got to tell you, I don't. I'm no NASCAR connoisseur, so I had no idea when I first watched it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But I also didn't assume that Michael Jordan was doing some freaky shit on tv. This guy has won a championship a million times. He. If anybody know Cameron's is on on, it's him. Well, I think he's doing some freaky with this Kid now what I did think my second thought was okay, bad time to break ice out of the little boys. But with all this Epstein, Epstein weird list and emails. But Mike though. Mike is Mike. Mike is Mike. What are you gonna say to Michael Jordan 500.

[Parks]

That's a big deal.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's a big deal. Super big deal. He was super excited to win it. Congratulations to Michael Jordan. But the Internet, Internet, Internet again. Like what are y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

What are y' all trying to say about Michael Jordan, yo? Yes, it looked funny. But y' all can't assume that Michael Jordan is fondling a kid's buttocks.

[Ish]

I mean, hold on now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We.

[Ish]

We didn't know a lot of this about a lot of the. So that's why they saying that like a lot of these ultra rich was playing in them games that didn't know about. So now you see this. It is bad times timing. That's all it is. It's a bad optic. It looked very funny and people like oh you do you down too.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's a public and the people we have to be a little more responsible.

[Ish]

Yo dog. Yeah, and not just that. It's certain people that if somebody came forward and told me XYZ was doing these things, I'd be like, wouldn't put it past them. But if a told me Michael Jordan is rubbing up some little kid on the side of TNT on tv, my feel like that's just something different, bro. Like I just think that we have a responsibility as people with a microphone. I know they get on us about some of the topics but of course some of this just come on. Don't have a brain. Yeah, you have a brain.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Let's bring back some critical thinking and.

[Ish]

Everyday life that is gone. It's over for critical thinking. Internet be Internet.

[Joe Budden]

But it is a bad time to break some ice cubes out of that little white ass. Ass. Out of some little white boy ass. It's scary times out here with it is it is what?

[Ish]

No, you're right.

[Joe Budden]

It's crazy. Michael Jordan.

[Parks]

Yeah. Shout out to Congrats.

[Joe Budden]

Isaiah Thomas thought he had you dead to rights. That was all Isaiah Thomas needed to see. Boy, he was about to start a parade. About to start a million man march on Mike. So stupid though. Oh man. What else? What else is important now, dear? What else is important? Needs our attention. Needs a hot tub take. Well, we was.

[Ish]

I mean it's a little serious cuz the optics from the Michael Jordan we were talking about. Are y' all familiar with LifeTouch no, I don't have young children. I know they are. Life Touch takes the pictures for mo. A lot of schools when you. Your kids go to school, get their pictures taken throughout the year, whatever. Life Touch is the company responsible for that.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

For a lot of places. Okay. I forgot who I was when we were little, but you know the niggas that I know this company, I know the company.

[Joe Budden]

Oh yeah.

[Ish]

Life Touch appeared and I know they.

[Joe Budden]

Were doing too well.

[Ish]

Yeah, Life Touch. Life Touch appeared in some of the Epstein information that came out. They're a subsidiary of one of the companies that was in the Epstein shit.

[Parks]

Still is back scared if that. Yeah.

[Ish]

I mean, these places have photos of.

[Parks]

All every kid in the fucking country pretty much, bro.

[Ish]

So imagine that that's what we are today in society. That we can't even trust the that's coming to take pictures of your kid for school to not.

[Joe Budden]

They got the negatives, right?

[Ish]

Yeah. You know what I mean? So I had seen it on the Internet maybe like a year, a year and a half ago. Like, dog, y' all need to just go to your own private photographer and have them start taking the pictures of your kids now instead of trusting the entities that the school is hiring or that the county is hiring, because they just hiring the most popular that got the most. You know what I'm saying? But they still hold all the negative. So they said that like it could be issues of them putting your kids in different costumes, different uniforms, all that shit. Cause they got the face of your kid, right? And it's just, we in a scary time, my nigga. All our shit is scary. Everything is scary now. And I think about it because, like, even at the school the kids go to now, like anytime you sign up for something, you're signing off. Like there's a page now you're giving us permission to photographic child, right? Giving us permission to video this and giving us permission. But you don't know know what the is going on with this, with what they doing with that now. You know, they'll say to use it in promo on right? Or on whatever.

[Parks]

Same way that meta and all the rest of these.

[Ish]

Everybody.

[Parks]

Yeah, everybody tos.

[Ish]

Yeah, but it's different when it's your kids.

[Parks]

Oh, I agree. I completely agree.

[Ish]

No, they saying, stop putting your kids faces on your Facebook. Stop putting your kids faces on your Instagram, all that stuff. Stop doing that.

[Joe Budden]

I've been, oh, they got mine. I listen to they got mine. I was a static from the baby shower to the reveal. Sin. What Sin had Us do some balloons and we was wearing all white like Jesus Nazareth or some shit. They got both my kids. If they want to pick them up, they know what it look like. Sorry. And that's without life touch and life touch. If you're going to do that, the least you could do is make sure them school pictures come back, right? School pictures have changed from when I was in school.

[Ish]

You could tell they don't have no patience with like, yo, you little nigga, stop crying. Hurry up. Sit up. Next.

[Joe Budden]

It's bad, you know. It's fucked up.

[Ish]

They've been trapped.

[Joe Budden]

Fresh it is. Speaking of schools, Dr. Umar, it's up and running. Supposedly said he finished his school much to someone's dismay. I mean, a word from the good doctor, man, that's it.

[Ish]

He says thank you to all my donors around the world. I know it has been seven long years. I know it has been seven long, hard, tough, grueling years. And we are here, baby. The school is absolutely done.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. The school is fully done. The school is completely done. Talking non believers on Tuesday because government.

[Ish]

Is closed on Monday to celebrate white supremacy presidency. The government is closed on Monday to celebrate white supremacy presidency. But on Tuesday, I'll be contacting the.

[Joe Budden]

City to request an inspection of the.

[Ish]

Frederick Douglass and Marcus Garvey elementary school in. Jim. Brothers and sisters, thank you for those of you. You who stood with me, not the fakes and the phones, not those who act like you supported me but didn't trust me, didn't believe me. You listened to the struggle streamers and the scammers. You believed them.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Ish]

I want to thank. I want to thank the real.

[Joe Budden]

That's somebody blowing his phone up. That's not me.

[Ish]

I know it has been seven long years. I know it has been seven long, hard, tough, grueling years. But we are here, baby. The school is absolutely the school. I want to thank the real people, brothers and sisters. I want to thank the real people, brothers and sisters. I want to thank the real people for standing with me.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we got it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Let's hit the round of applause. Friend or enemy of the show? I'm not certain where it stands, but that's our guy. Dr. Dr. Umar says that school is open by the time this recording is being heard. The non believers said it would never get done. They said it didn't take this long to open up a school. They said he was scamming and running numbers and being a con artist.

[Ish]

They said a lot.

[Joe Budden]

And sure enough, he said that school is open so congratulations to Dr. Umar. Whenever I get a free moment, I will go up to and see. See for myself what's going on. See how many kids we got up in that. See what learning is happening. Sure. See if we got some school buses. I'm gonna go see.

[Ish]

I gotta go speak at the school. I will. There you go.

[Joe Budden]

I definitely will. If he asked me to, I'll go up there and speak. Do a little turkey drive or something. Come on, man.

[Ish]

Turkey drive or something.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to Dr. Umar, man. Congratulations. I can't wait to see what is next for your school and your opening. What else, what else, what else, what else? What else do you. Go ahead.

[Parks]

I was just gonna say Obama said the aliens are real. I don't know how that one's gotten brushed under the covers this whole week.

[Joe Budden]

Because he said it, then he kind of walked it back.

[Parks]

Well, you said, we ain't got him.

[Ish]

Thank you to all my donors around.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, Sorry about that.

[Ish]

Thank you to all my.

[Joe Budden]

What's going on? I was trying to find the clip where Obama said it was aliens out this. And now I'm having some trouble. All right. But he was on the podcast. He was shooting the.

[Parks]

He us.

[Joe Budden]

He was, like, going with the flow of the podcast, having a good time, but he forgot who he was.

[Parks]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

And he asked him, do you believe in aliens? He said, yes, I believe aliens exist. But you are Barack Obama, former president of the world. So people of us. So people are listening to you. So then he saw all the fuss, and he said, all right, let me clear this up. There we go. To which he said, I can read that. Let's see. He said thank you to Barack, says, I was trying to stick with the spirit of the speed round, but since it's gotten attention, let me clarify. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there.

[Parks]

Oh, he walked it back.

[Joe Budden]

But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low. And I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really? End quote. Ladies and gentlemen, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you think Barack is capping?

[Parks]

He's capping.

[Ish]

12 fittings.

[Joe Budden]

All cap.

[Ish]

New era, 59.50.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, well, say more. Give it to me.

[Ish]

The government just opened up a whole entire division for aliens and extraterrestrials. Well, it's a government agency, so we're not gonna open up a government agency for some shit that don't exist or that we don't know. I mean, they would and they would. This particular. You know, we could some money over there.

[Parks]

Yeah, we can do that.

[Joe Budden]

I cannot believe that aliens have visited here and didn't put Tyra Banks underneath. I cannot believe that Tyra Banks is allowing to walk free and still be like a beautiful cover model. And like, this girl is crazy selling ice cream. It be the pretty though. Nobody talks about it.

[Parks]

Deep word.

[Joe Budden]

Pretty are evil. Nuts and evil and mean. No good to the world. They are only for themselves.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

I'm lying. N man, Tyra Banks. We need to make a citizens or rest.

[Parks]

Dead ass.

[Ish]

I can't wait to watch this. Y' all said she wasn't even apologizing. That's the part that got me like, at least own some of these. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

I know it was Tyra Banks. Holy. Oh, my God.

[Parks]

Sack of dead ass.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Ish]

That's nuts. Did y' all see this Kevin Durant electric situation?

[Joe Budden]

Kevin Durant burner. I've seen the story floating around. I did no due diligence on trying to see if this was true or not. I just read some of the messages and assumed that this could not be Kevin Durant. I also didn't see any proof that told me that this was Kevin Durant's burner. I get it's a hot story and it very well could be his burner. Cause we've caught him on burners before. I just need more than what I read, which was I miss being on the team with Bill Simmons because he passed me the ball. Like that doesn't confirm to me that Kevin Durant is saying these things.

[Parks]

Was that the main confirmation? The main evidence?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what the main evidence is because I never fact checked this. You know, I get my shit from Shams and kd. They nobody was reporting on this stuff.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was a lot. Yo, it was some funny shit.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was hilarious.

[Ish]

This shit was funny, like roasting teammates. And let me see if I can find.

[Parks]

Did you call someone a cocaine bear or some shit?

[Ish]

Like, yeah, Westbrook. He's too close.

[Joe Budden]

See this. Isn't that right that we sitting there laughing and just putting this on kd? Yeah, that's the problem that we. That this is Kevin Durant.

[Parks]

I said allegedly.

[Ish]

I started with allegedly, but.

[Joe Budden]

So you mean the Internet never even found out that this was Kevin Durant burning?

[Ish]

All right, well, it's just laughing at the funny shit. My like calling Westbrook a cocaine bear. Nigga, that's funny.

[Joe Budden]

I'M not doing this standing. That. That is funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't Kevin Durant saying it, and it's just some regular nigga saying it.

[Ish]

We don't got proof, but if you put it in the context of maybe KD played with the niggas or whatever the case may be, it just makes it funny, I don't think. It's no accuracy to it or validity. It's just funny to me. I believe it. I'm not gonna hold you. I've seen a couple of like. Like. And then you know how you'll get people that they'll go find an old tweet, somebody calling shit out from like months or a year ago or something like that. So there was a Tweet from like 2024 and someone was like, yo, what the hell is Kevin Durant's burner? This is when it said he had burners. And somebody tweeted that exact same page as the burner. And a lot of the, like what you sent me, it was other shit. I'm trying to find it now, but a lot of this is like critiquing teammates in a way that you might do if I don't want, like how we talk in a group chat.

[Joe Budden]

Can we get some examples of what Kevin Durant rant said? We keep describing what he said, but let's hear what he said. Cuz when I read it, I didn't. It didn't. I don't know. I don't know. It just didn't sound like Kevin Durant to me.

[Ish]

All right, let me see the. The p. The. The alleged account name was get off my Dickerson. Coach called that play to pass to Alpy. Lol. I'm a turn the ball over with this shitty ass team. I don't give a. Your franchise player can't shoot or defend. That's a way bigger issue than my turnover. Remember, these guys are your future. These Rocket fans are hurt. And starting it cuts off. I just can't trust Jabari to make a shot or get a shot or get a stop. Just don't give him a tech. He's low key. R word. Like again, bro, a lot of this is two dictators. Stalin and Hitler, Mussolini and Kim Jong Un, the sons of my team when we lose and Book's team when we win. Like, this sound like the nigga might be in here just talking to some people he cool with and getting his off from the other page.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Ish]

The one that you said. I swear I miss Ben Simmons. At least that would Give me the ball. I could get. I can see the joke in that.

[Joe Budden]

If with everything, not only can I see all of these jokes, but they all sound true.

[Ish]

I just don't believe that as an onlooker you can make.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they're not tough to surmise. Like, I. I got it. I just don't think that that's Kevin Durant doing it. But if I'm proven wrong, then I'll take it again. I did not research this. I did not fact check this. I don't really give a fuck about it. But it's funny.

[Ish]

It's funny, but it's funny. This shit was hilarious in a way. And then because it was All Star, so they showing him, like, this is happening in real time. So then you see the. The, like the players in the back or the players at the arena for All Star and he's on his phone firing away. So it's like, wait, these shits is really happening. This is tweeting now. Like, it's like that. This was very funny to watch it unfold. And basketball Twitter was in uproar. All we. I had a blast just watching.

[Joe Budden]

I and I.

[Ish]

Like I said, I do believe it. If it's not, it's not. But I think that was him, allegedly. Don't sue me.

[Joe Budden]

Your first team with the Rockets, you getting some of this off. I mean, your first year with the Rockets, you getting some of this off.

[Ish]

I ain't happy.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, ain't nobody going to say to Kevin Durant, so, I mean, he could say what the.

[Parks]

He want to say that part too.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't nobody going to say to Kevin Durant he look great in All Star Game. He. Yeah, Kawhi went absolutely nuts out there.

[Ish]

I thought the two of them together was going to pull it off.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he looked amazing.

[Ish]

Cuz they were saying that third game. Kawhi just carried us through the second game. It's KD time. He just was missing. Yeah, he was missing.

[Joe Budden]

Well, kd, if that's your burner, get your off, big dog. Like, who. Who am I to judge?

[Ish]

And that's the beauty of it being a burner. He go, it wasn't me.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't a burner if they keep finding you, though.

[Ish]

But it wasn't me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying?

[Parks]

Shaggy's facts.

[Ish]

It wasn't me.

[Joe Budden]

Big Shaggy. What else, what else, what else, what else? Tyson is supposed to be fighting Floyd April 25th. Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather in an exhibition somewhere.

[Ish]

Congo.

[Parks]

The Congo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's why I'm going back to school. Because that shit said the Dominican Republic. And I stopped, stopped reading.

[Ish]

Oh, the Republic of Congo.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, that's what it said. The Republican Republic of Congo fighting doctor. That's strange. But I mean, any Republican Dominicans, I.

[Ish]

Probably go out there about to say, be a good spot to go pick a fight at.

[Parks]

Yeah, not bad, not bad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take the fight at doctor Two fight, one night. Let's do it.

[Ish]

More, more too. You have a fight first and then.

[Joe Budden]

You get jump again. This is one of those. It's like a nothing burger for me. Mike Tyson, I'm. I'm a fan of Mike Tyson. He's a friend of the show. He's a friend of my other show. He sent autograph boxing gloves up here. I have nothing negative to say about Mike Tyson. And he could probably beat me up if I said something mean easily.

[Ish]

Probably right. And again, I'm a fan of the. These niggas get in a bag like, yo, I dedicated my life to this sport. I carry injuries from this sport. Yeah. And now I could go make some money off of the sport that I bled sweat and tears for. Fuck that. I'm not mad at that. And I could do it in a way where I'm not really putting myself at risk no more. I'm mad, bro. You know what I'm saying? We get all of these rules in here for the exhibition. We're gonna sell it. We're gonna make a shit ton of money regardless of what we say. We're gonna watch it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, is Floyd broke or not? I'm tired of trying to figure it out. The Internet tell me one thing true. Then my better judgment says another.

[Ish]

Said Michael Jackson was broke. Family, he wasn't nowhere near. I don't know.

[Parks]

I don't think that Floyd is broke.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he's broke.

[Parks]

I think that he Expensive habits. So when a nice little bag comes across to, to fight and not really fight, he's gonna take it.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. I don't think he's broke. I just think it's.

[Joe Budden]

I do believe that story about when they tried to keep him in Dubai, though, and wouldn't let him leave.

[Ish]

I believe that too.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, things like that speak above my pay grade. Sure, all of it is above my pay grade. Anybody that lost nine figures or made nine figures, then just rock out, yo.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Do you? I. I'll see you when I get there. See you when I get there. Do what you want. Till then, I'm just talking. Are we Gonna watch this fight?

[Ish]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

I hope to be busier on a Saturday night.

[Ish]

It don't matter. You still gonna watch it?

[Joe Budden]

I hope not. What?

[Ish]

This will be watched.

[Joe Budden]

I hope not. This is in April, and we got a long winter, so April 25 should be like that first. It might be where the weather's really breaking and the sundresses are out. I'll be damned.

[Parks]

Oh, wait, that's my baby birthday weekend. I'm not gonna watch.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'll be damned if I'm saying, hey, meet me at Highwood. Good. Let's see if they've got the fight on. I don't. I don't give a. About this fight.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't like that about podcasting. I gotta pretend to care about something.

[Ish]

Masses. You might not care. Gonna watch the fight, bro. Just the names are gonna have dog.

[Joe Budden]

As soon as somebody win, they gonna post it on Instagram. And I' ma know if. And if something dramatic happened, they're gonna post that there, too. I'll be damned if I'm running from what? If I'm bowling, I gotta run to the bar now. I'm not doing that. No, no, sorry, sorry. Floyd Mayweather and my time. I value my time more than. I'm not. I'm not.

[Parks]

This is gonna be on Netflix.

[Ish]

No, I didn't see.

[Joe Budden]

No. She gonna be on betflix or some shit.

[Ish]

Netflix does have a fight coming.

[Parks]

Oh, they do.

[Ish]

They got their first live MMA event. It's Ronda Rousey and Gina Carano.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Ish]

In May.

[Joe Budden]

So they done found Ronda Rousey from under a rock somewhere else.

[Ish]

Nah, I was about to say, you want to talk about some might. Maybe being broke? Rhonda might have ran out. She was getting that WWE money for a little bit. I ain't seen her there in a minute. It might.

[Joe Budden]

It might be that Rhonda is not a name. I wake up out of bed and say, I wonder if she's broke. Like, I never pondered how much she actually made. No.

[Ish]

But until you see her name just come from somewhere, bro. She was the biggest person in female boxing, martial arts, however you want to label it. She was the one.

[Joe Budden]

But she got knocked into another realm.

[Ish]

I know. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And she's. I thought she's just been busy in another dimension.

[Ish]

She's over there getting busy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Over there getting, like, paradise. They knocked her into a whole nother sphere. She a bizarro world.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So I never thought, hey, she must be going through hard times because she broke. I thought, all right, her face is just healing up from that shit that happened.

[Ish]

And she might not be going through hard times, bro.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm shutting up. Cause she could beat me too.

[Parks]

That's a fact.

[Ish]

With them getting into their live sporting event bag and they giving out that money like that, we're gonna go get the biggest names we could get. So for Rhonda being who she is to mma, she might not be broke, but we. We trying to establish our footing in live events. They just did the boxing joint. They doing live shows. So, yeah, let me go get Ronda Rousey for my first MMA joint. That's gonna have to pay her back. I don't. I don't think that implies that she's broke now. This fight was somewhere else. Belts, maybe. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Floyd Tyson wouldn't do nothing but piss me off because I.

[Ish]

Because you're not gonna get what you want.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah, but Floyd was always must see tv. Still one of the greatest of all time, especially the greatest defensive fighter. If either one of them hit each other, I'm gonna be mad.

[Ish]

It's 150mil, bro.

[Joe Budden]

If Floyd hit Mike Tyson, I'm gonna say, hey, what the Is on your mind? And if Mike Tyson hit Floyd, I'm gonna say, all right, you buck that, buddy.

[Ish]

150 mil. The winner gets a buck, the loser gets $50 million. Let's say. I don't know how many rounds it says, but let's say they go six rounds.

[Joe Budden]

I want them to make all the money in the world. This is not about. It's not about that to me.

[Parks]

I say, enough. Floyd Mayweather fights to. I think that nobody's gonna get hit in this.

[Ish]

Nobody's gonna get.

[Joe Budden]

I don't feel like I will be entertained by this. Somebody will.

[Ish]

And the last time I saw Mike Tyson in exhibition finishing match, it looks like he pulled his punches and not. Did not try to take this nigga's head off.

[Joe Budden]

Joshua made up of that one.

[Ish]

Served him up. He paid him. He paid us back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he fixed him up.

[Ish]

He fixed it for the blacks. Yeah, he did.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm not watching this. I'd rather watch my drunk white boys on Instagram fight. Like, I keep. I catch that algorithm. I watch one little fight video and then that algorithm get it going where just be fighting them white boys. Be like, come on, I'll take you on. The whole lobby, come on. You want a piece of me? I'll take you on. I'll take you. I love that.

[Parks]

I'll take you.

[Joe Budden]

I love white boy fight. Hyper Talk.

[Ish]

That's amazing.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. What else needs our attention? Ice, do you want to take a moment to reply to Hitman Holla, who had words about our commentary about the Geechy Gotti incident as well as academics. Commentary about. I'm not sure if what he had to say about us is really applicable.

[Ish]

It wasn't. That was.

[Joe Budden]

He replied to me, not you directly. No.

[Ish]

Cause I replied to his.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know that he does. No. Yeah, I don't know.

[Ish]

Oh, okay. No, I replied to his post and I just was like. I said, hitman's my guy. I said, but there's no way he saw our conversation if that was his takeaway.

[Joe Budden]

Cause his takeaway was that that all of these mainstream platforms never fuck with battle rap. They don't talk about it when all the good things are going on. So. So now that there's a negative, we are highlighting the negative. Laughing at battle rappers saying that they all broke. And he was saying the battle rappers, all they have is each other. So they need to stick together. Because none of these mainstream outlets with him.

[Ish]

And that's farthest from the truth up here.

[Parks]

Yeah, I feel like we cover battle rap a lot.

[Joe Budden]

We caught him.

[Ish]

Yeah. Like we've had battle rappers.

[Joe Budden]

We've.

[Ish]

We discussed these events. We discussed the ups. The down. Like we discussed. It's just, just. It was news.

[Joe Budden]

I would say that we discussed battle rap as far as quote unquote, mainstream platform goes.

[Ish]

More than any of them, more than the rest of them, more than anybody, and on a more balanced level than anybody. We don't sit there. We don't just talk about every time something bad. Cause I saw somebody else say, yo, the only time y' all talk about battle rap was either this or the papoose and easy to block captain thing, which we didn't really talk about. Make an easy to block captain is. Been a easy setup here twice. Surf is a co host like fam. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, I don't even want to reply to any. I don't want to dignify that because it's just stupid. What? What, What I thought when I saw what Hitman Holla had to say and shout out to him. I like Hitman Holla a lot.

[Ish]

That's my guy.

[Joe Budden]

But. But what I thought was, oh, he missed. He missed the. He missed the. He missed the ball on some of this. I. I personally was never having a battle rap conversation when I saw my geechi guy.

[Ish]

We wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't. I was having a betterment of Black men conversation. I don't give a fuck about Geechee Gotti battling no more. If he never battle again, I don't care. I want him and everybody else to just be in a position where they can make better decisions and not be faced with some of the desperation that leads us to making those types of decisions. I wasn't ever told my battle rapping mayor, hold on. It ain't, but. It ain't but 11 of y' all I care about in real life too. I mean, let me be clear on that. Because he was saying, oh, y' all had Geechy Gotti on the couch.

[Ish]

And now laughing at him.

[Joe Budden]

And now laughing at him. No, I don't think we were laughing at him. No, I wouldn't laugh at him. But him running away was funny. That was funny. Cause he can't run. And that car they was in, the Camry truck. I never even seen a Camry truck before. That was funny that that little Camry truck couldn't get nowhere. That was funny. But what happened situation was and what he's going through, I don't think that it's funny at all. Especially when he's got these interviews with. When he was on Flip, basically detailing the details of this crime. And he said, yo, and that was, I don't do this no more, cuz I'm on my rap. But back when smack wasn't taking care of, I had to do what I got to do. Okay, so you have the, the where the though.

[Ish]

But that kind of went to my point that. That was my point. We wasn't making fun of him. We had a spirited argument amongst black men about the, the, the. The options available for this particular type of scenario. We were sitting up here having a spirited debate. We wasn't cracking joke. No, not at all. So I just didn't appreciate. I didn't like our. I didn't like the show's name through you being thrown in that conversation of y' all just sitting up there to highlight the negative and laugh at him in this type of environment. I didn't like that. And that's why I'm like, maybe you just saw a clip. They might have just saw you laughing at the run part or something. But I had to say something. And yo, you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna give his manhola the benefit of the doubt because I like him and assume he just didn't. He didn't see everything and hear everything. And I do believe his heart is in the right place with wanting the commentary surrounding Geechee to just be respectful Helpful and respectful. So I don't have nothing bad to say about him. And all he's saying what he was supposed to say. I think we said what we were supposed to say. And. And that's that. Yo, listen, this is coming, yo, totally outside of battle rap. Like, I don't think he know or some people know, like. But I speak to the 11 battle rappers that I like in real life, about real life shit, and offer as much help and guidance as support and support as I possibly could. Like, you talking about Geechee Gotti running in some CVS's and Walgreens when they was closed. Like, that's a big nigga. Surf called me from Stegman with helicopters in the sky saying, y. OG you got a couple seconds.

[Ish]

Wait. Say you got the same call.

[Joe Budden]

We just like, yo, yo, I got a couple seconds before they come up in here. I'm in Jersey City. I'm with a little yamin. We was having fun, but as you can see, I'm on the news, there's helicopters in the sky, and I just want to tell you I love you. Talk to you in a couple years. Damn.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, the conversation that I was having here about Geechee is not very different from some of the conversations I had with my brother in real life. And y' all know that's family to me. That ain't battle rap service. My family. I speak this mother. Yeah. I'm not telling. Treating y' all no different than I love. Sorry that it don't come off with all the dressings and then and the fluff. Sorry about that. I do hope that Geechee Gotti as well, and hopefully that'll be the last time that he goes through robbing CV, BS's and Walgreens or whatever the he was doing. Yeah, yeah, that's what I got on that. I told ICE to bring it up, but I hijacked it so I could talk to him. Man, Holland, I know what it was. It was a trick.

[Ish]

I know it was a trick.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have anything else that is like burning a hole in my heart, mind, soul, spirit, or body. I think we did a pretty good job. I appreciate Mark for coming through, even with his emergencies that he's juggling and dealing with. But I know he had come in here and get that and he was about to let LeBron have it, too. But you lucked out.

[Ish]

He was ready.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. If he didn't have somewhere to be, he's gonna let LeBron have it.

[Parks]

He definitely was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But he's gone. So we don't have to bring it up.

[Ish]

Yeah, he gonna run it back. Don't you worry.

[Joe Budden]

Well, on one of his platforms. That's the thing on this thing of ours. We doing it together. You gonna get it soon.

[Ish]

We know you want to get to.

[Joe Budden]

The shop, you know, to the shop.

[Parks]

You know, get a haircut. He want me up there with the fake haircut.

[Joe Budden]

Get a haircut.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Budden]

L. I don't give a. I don't give two about nothing about Braun, boy.

[Ish]

That's your man.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if that's true. What. What is you saying about me and LeBron? Like, I don't.

[Ish]

LeBron is like Ms. Jenkins to you, yo. But nobody not say nothing about Ms. Jenkins.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that's true.

[Parks]

And you actually stuck up for Michael Jordan today. That was pretty.

[Ish]

That was n. You've been like that since Brian posted him listening to you to your.

[Parks]

To the Uncle Joe here.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's. That's what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Damn, kid. You selling ass for a list keeping.

[Joe Budden]

That's what artists have to do, unfortunately.

[Ish]

That's why you happy.

[Parks]

You big deal now.

[Joe Budden]

Got to sell some ass.

[Parks]

It's a big deal.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot LeBron was a R, man. Go ahead, LeBron.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's what that. I remember that shout.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to him.

[Parks]

Katie does a lot of that too, man. Shout out to Katie.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's true. Well, KD actually raps, so that's true. I get it.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

LeBron just on some love for the love. I don't have anything else that I need to do here. Let's see. Ray J. Ray J. Stop. I'm not doing this for Drew. I'm not doing this for Ray J. You're not gonna trick me into Ray J bleeding from the eyes. I'm not doing it. Ray J. I want you to be alive. I don't know what you got going on, but I love you. I pray for you. That's it.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

The is going on, man. There they go. Else not at all.

[Parks]

That would be it.

[Ish]

I think we did it, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool, man. They ain't going to beat me to death with the shenanigans of the world. I can't n. I'm with you. I'm with you. I can't. I can't. Why not? Why not, man? Started with Marvin. I'm ending with Marvin. It's a good time. Rest in peace. Jesse Jackson and Bobby Duvall and Marvin Gay. Hey, listen, man. Hopefully you've enjoyed this broadcast as Much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you, man, couldn't have done this without y'. All sweet and kind people. Half of the audience keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time I bid you a due farewell. Adio. Cereva dirchi. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long, goodbye or simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Hey. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant. Women want to travel and they're closed minded. Women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it. Music lovers. And there you have it. Y' all got going on for the week. Man. Anything interesting?

[Parks]

Nah, never that.

[Ish]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, never. Right?

[Ish]

Never that.

[Joe Budden]

Why would you guys be be doing anything interesting this week?

[Ish]

N man, don't be in bed by five like you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. Yeah, that's probably what's happening. We probably all got the same sleep schedule.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, some of us are probably just more discreet than others, right? Just discreet.

[Ish]

Discreet. Discreet.

[Joe Budden]

Sleep with sleep. That's what I meant. Y' all hold it down out there, man. I ain't got going on this week either. I'm chilling. Yo, till next time. We'll be back this weekend. Same time, same place. Until then, stay safe. Head on a swivel at all times and we'll holler. Man.

[Parks]

Enough of daddy.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've never heard of Joe, Buddy, We'll fold that up right now.