Episode 905 | "Hertz Platinum"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast — Episode 905 | "Hertz Platinum"

Date: February 21, 2026
Host: Joe Budden
Guests/Co-Hosts: Mona, Mark Lamont Hill, Ish, Keith (plus mentions of Parks, Po, Corey, Erickson, Tanner, Savon)

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the Joe Budden Podcast's blend of sharp music criticism, unfiltered stories, and candid debates between Joe and his rotating cast of friends and guests. With playful banter, hot takes on recent albums, deep commentary on music industry business deals, and an array of social issues, the crew covers everything from the economics of nail techs to UMG’s D2C music moves, viral social moments, and the ethics of using rap lyrics as evidence. Casual, honest, chaotic, and hilarious, this episode is classic JBP energy: wild digressions, real talk, and plenty of jokes.

Main Themes:

• Music industry trends (direct-to-consumer, streaming, major label maneuvers)
• New music reviews (notably Baby Keem, Kendrick Lamar, and others)
• Social controversies (nail tech discourse, Cat Williams, lyric usage in court, viral moments)
• Personal anecdotes (dads & daughters, “child prodigies,” hot tub sex, parental care)
• General life, pop culture, and relationship advice

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Hilarious Banter: Cars, Nail Techs, and Real-life Flexing

• The "Hertz Platinum" Flex:
  Mark Lamont Hill gets called out for bragging about his Hertz Platinum rental status, which devolves into a group roast about adulthood, rental cars, and traveling.

  "You Herz Platinum. What the is you talk about?" – Ish [01:11]
  "Sometimes when you go in Hertz, they got a young nigga working. He don’t know all the rules... 'You know I’m a member.'" – Joe Budden [01:58]

• On Nail Techs and Parental Disappointment:
  The crew revisits a previous podcast controversy about whether they’d be disappointed if their daughters became nail techs after paying for expensive educations. Ish doubles down; Mark provides nuance about nail techs’ earning power; Mona pushes back and brings comedic relief.

  "Some nail techs make more money than doctors." – Mark Lamont Hill [04:05]

  • Nail techs (and their advocates) in the audience are acknowledged and half-heartedly apologized to.
  • Discussion of career expectations versus actual outcomes, with class tension.

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2. Real Money Talk: Weekend Earnings and Losing Cash App

• The group brags and jokes about how much money they made last weekend, hitting everything from gig payments to live shows. Joe claims $60K, Mona $30K, and so on, always with a sly tone.

  "Probably about 60 grand. I made about 60 grand." – Joe Budden [07:35] "30 piece." – Mona [07:48]

• On Losing Cash App:
  Mona tells of losing Cash App access, prompting commiseration and a run of stories about online payment bans and hustles. Joe jokes about old scams and the blurred line between bad business and "scamming."

  "To lose the Cash app...you don't have to do anything wrong..." – Mona [09:00]

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3. On Scamming, Bad Business, and Internet Hustle

• The crew debates the difference between "bad business" and outright scamming, especially in the music industry and influencer world. Mark brings up artists who take money for features they never record; Mona redefines bad business as walking away from a deal if the "client" is being disrespectful.

  "To me, that's bad business. That's not scamming." – Mona [10:42]

• Ish recounts a near-scam with an aspiring interview subject (Glorilla’s sister), who continually lowers her appearance fee. The whole crew laughs at the negotiation—and the brazen requests for upfront payment.

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4. Music Roundtable: Baby Keem, Kendrick, New Projects

• Baby Keem's ‘Keem's Casino’: The group does a deep dive listen to the new album, noting strong sequencing, the Kendrick feature, standout tracks, and a refreshing brevity ("concise, straight to the point").
• Strong praise for the album’s first half, some reservations about the back end, but a consensus it’s “a good project.”

  "I like the first half of this project more than the second half." – Joe [35:04]

• Shoutouts to Other New Albums:
  • Mozzy & ESTG’s ‘Not a Chance in Hell’ (short but solid; Mozzy shines)
  • Alchemist, Curren$y, Larry June collaboration—classic laid-back West Coast vibes.
  • Jay-Z “Dead Presidents I” finally on streaming.
  • Young Miami’s new “Tea Time” track (made for TikTok; the group jests about how viral songs work culturally now).

  “This song was made for TikTok.” – Ish [43:00]

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5. Industry Talk: UMG x Even and Label Evolution

• Discussion of Universal Music Group's partnership with Even (a D2C platform), with debate over the implications for artists and labels, major shifts to direct-to-consumer, and what value, if any, the majors add.

• Labels are “watching what the indies are doing,” adopting strategies from Bandcamp, United Masters, etc.

  “They’re watching all of it...just consider yourself surveilled.” – Joe [47:17]

• Streaming "not great" for most artists; music usage/performance revenue (ASCAP) is up; DistroKid likely to be acquired, and speculation on the trend of consolidation.

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6. Social Spotlight: Using Rap Lyrics in Court (Lil Durk Case)

• The group weighs the controversial admissibility of rap lyrics as evidence—Lil Durk’s trial specifically—and the chilling effect it can have on creativity and fairness in the justice system.

  “Artists' lyrics shouldn’t be used against them...I think the risk outweighs the reward.” – Mark Lamont Hill [56:40]

• Parallels to other art forms are explored, with Mona raising concern over "where does it stop?" and the power imbalance when jurors don't understand rap/hip-hop culture.

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7. Viral Clips & Docs – Untangling Reality

• Joe and the group walk back critiques of a victim depicted in the Tyra Banks/America’s Next Top Model doc after revisiting original footage (suggests the doc misrepresented what happened).

  "This girl wanted it...because she was very clear on camera saying..." – Joe [88:00+]

• Debates around documentary bias, narrative framing, and the rush to judgment.

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8. Life Talk: Elder Care, Marriage, Prodigies, and Sex Jokes

• Hilarious digressions about “child prodigies,” hot tub sex, who’s responsible for aging parents, and relationship confessions.
• The older crew reflects on the challenges of caring for sick or elderly parents—debate over in-home care versus senior living.
• Playful back-and-forth on medical checkups, prostate exams, and age milestones.

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9. Sports: NBA Tanking & Rule Changes

• Rundown of the NBA’s issues with tanking, possible rule fixes under discussion: pick protection, lottery odds, and playoff incentives.

  “Something's going to happen next year.” – Ish [75:12]

• Anecdotes about bad luck at Knicks games, MVP picks, and the comedic chaos of being a loyal fan.

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10. Viral Stories & Internet Culture

• Jim Jones eviction viral saga: Jim vs. landlord, 50 Cent’s trolling, the difficulty of rolling back a narrative once viral.

  “Once that video goes out, you spend the rest of your life trying to explain some shit, and you can't roll that shit back.” – Ish [114:27]

• Uncle “Tenderism” gets business advice: the perils of viral fame, licensing, and generational business wisdom.

  “It's not about the taste, it's about him. He's the show.” – Mona [108:36]

• Olympic-level sex in the athlete’s village: tangents on condoms, biathletes, and cheating confessions.

  “10,000 condoms in three days...all Olympians.” – Mark Lamont Hill [129:10]

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11. Life Advice: Dads, Daughters, and “Problem Kids”

• Listener letter: Navigating co-parenting, stepchildren, and boundaries when a teenager expresses hostility toward new siblings. Mona shares her story, group debates on the boundaries between venting, protecting, and parenting.

  “At the end of the day, that's all on the dad.” – Mona [157:59]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On UMG watching indie trends:
  "Just consider yourself surveilled. They're watching all of it." – Joe Budden [47:17]

• On TikTok virality:
  "This song was made for TikTok." – Ish [43:00]

• On the justice system vs. rap music:
  “I don't want illegal evidence being used against me in court. Cause I don't trust jurors.” – Mark Lamont Hill [59:50]

• On caring for elders:
  "I love helping my Aldrich... but when she got like 10 minutes away... that's better." – Ish [125:96]

• On documentary bias:
  “It’s always in the eyes of the documentor. Whatever they trying to convey, that’s what they convey, period.” – Mona [95:15]

• On NBA tanking:
  “Something's going to happen next year.” – Ish [75:12]

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Timestamps of Major Segments

• Hertz Platinum, Nail Tech Controversy, Banter: 00:30 – 05:30
• Money Talk, Cash App, Hustles: 06:10 – 10:00
• Scam Stories, Interview Hustle: 11:00 – 15:00
• Keem’s Album Review: 25:00 – 36:00
• New Music Roundup: 37:45 – 46:00
• Industry D2C, UMG/Even: 46:00 – 54:00
• DistroKid/Label Consolidation: 51:14 – 54:00
• Lyrics as Evidence, Durk Case: 54:40 – 65:15
• Hot Tub Sex/Relationship Tangents: 91:00 – 105:00
• Care for Elderly Parents: 125:04 – 128:34
• NBA Tanking Rules Discussion: 74:45 – 83:18
• Jim Jones Eviction, 50 Cent Trolling: 112:39 – 120:45
• Listener Advice Segment (step-kids, boundaries): 145:42 – 155:37

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Language: Unfiltered, raw, honest, and often profane.
• Energy: Chaotic, funny, fast-moving; frequent crosstalk, running jokes ("child prodigy," "Herz Platinum"), and good-natured ribbing.
• Perspective: Street-savvy meets business-minded, pragmatic but emotional, willing to double back on takes and admit new information.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Joe Budden Podcast is a quintessential mix of critical music analysis, hot takes on real-life drama, and hilarious storytelling. With deep dives into industry news, culture wars, family confessions, and viral shenanigans, it’s a tour through hip-hop’s cultural now—never afraid to change lanes and always entertaining. Whether you want music recommendations, backroom music biz insight, or just a reason to laugh, JBP 905 delivers.

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast, whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. What the.

[Mona]

Hey, dog. I had a nice little Audi truck. It was old.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's trying to ask you a question.

[Joe Button]

I'll pay for the Uber I got. I'll put it so you don't have to take the bus. She took the bus here.

[Mona]

Stop with the bus, y'. All. Blow me.

[Ish]

How'd you get here?

[Keith]

What's the truth?

[Ish]

How'd you get here, brother?

[Mona]

I. I spoke a little more out of you.

[Ish]

I thought you were saying they was lying. I was trying to get your.

[Mona]

Listen. Oh, dog, I took a little PT this morning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I'm Hurts Platinum. I got you.

[Joe Button]

You know what I mean?

[Mona]

Listen. That's all that. All right, let's call the card.

[Joe Button]

That his way to all the cards. He got all the per.

[Ish]

You Herz Platinum. What the is you talk about how you feel, how you your way to a platinum status?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or hurts?

[Joe Button]

How are you in real estate? And you Herz Platinum? Where you was driving,

[Mark Lamont Hill]

where you needed all the rentals?

[Joe Button]

Yo, this. I'm asking you a question. How you get. You know how many hurts as I got? I ain't never made it to Hurts. Black Eddie bragged about Presidential.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Holy Presidential.

[Joe Button]

Oh, what else you got? Okay, what else you got? Come on, man. Oh, Big stupid Wally was holding all them cards. Nigga had to dig his hurts. Black.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's not a car.

[Joe Button]

And sometimes when you go in Hertz, they got a young nigga working, so he don't know all the rules. He's got to tell him, you know. You know, I'm a member.

[Keith]

You know, a presidential

[Mark Lamont Hill]

it Name be on the screen, bro.

[Keith]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Button]

Oh, shit. Oh, my God. Stupid guy. Oh, that's funny.

[Ish]

Yeah, we gotta Uber our sister home for sure.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, she shouldn't be taking a Peter Pan to work.

[Ish]

Or Amtrak. Peter Pan.

[Joe Button]

She shouldn't be taking a Peter Pan to work. Yo, I'll open up the floor and allow y' all room to apologize to the nail techs.

[Keith]

Uh oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They was on your ass, not me.

[Joe Button]

I didn't say nothing about it.

[Ish]

What happened to the nail tech?

[Joe Button]

They was on y' all asses for that.

[Ish]

What happened to the nail ass?

[Joe Button]

I don't want my daughter to grow up and be a nail tech. Who said that? Do y' all wanna apologize to the nail techs out there? Yes or no?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Who said that?

[Joe Button]

Shout out to the nail techs. Listene, we love you. I do.

[Mona]

How many nail techs do nails to this pod?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, N. They. They. These. These.

[Ish]

These three. These three?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, don't do that.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you horrible at that. Go ahead, though.

[Mona]

These.

[Joe Button]

You. Look, let me point him. You and him.

[Ish]

Mar. This is what happened. I said. He asked me if I would be disappointed.

[Joe Button]

I asked the three of them, yeah,

[Ish]

If I'd be disappointed if my daughter wanted to be a nail tank. And I said yes.

[Joe Button]

They all said yes.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We didn't, but go ahead, though.

[Ish]

But part of it was because I said I done paid all this money for college tuition.

[Mona]

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

[Ish]

Yeah, I'd be disappointed that part. And you know what? The nail techs that's listening right now, you're disappointed.

[Mona]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shit.

[Ish]

No, I'm serious.

[Joe Button]

Double it down.

[Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Mona]

He is corrupted.

[Ish]

Yo, what the fuck is wrong?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not what I said. What I said was if you spent a half a million dollars on education and then your daugh or son wanted to take a route that didn't justify your money that you spent, you'll be disappointed. You got to pay that money back. It's a half a million dollars that you borrow. If you left high school and went to cosmetology school and you was a nail tech, them nail techs be making six figures. I'm not mad at that.

[Ish]

I ain't mad at that neither.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some of the nail techs make more money than doctors.

[Keith]

Well, then that would negate the half a million thing, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it wouldn't.

[Keith]

If they make more money than Dr. Then spending a half a million dollars on education, even if it wasn't for nail tech.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That means I spent a half a million dollars for no fucking reason. Yeah, we still have did that. And. And. And I could have kept my bread.

[Ish]

Unless it's a real good college.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

Like, yo tell you, you got to vet the girl dads.

[Ish]

You know

[Joe Button]

these girl dads.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, so y' all don't want

[Joe Button]

to apologize, it's fine.

[Ish]

No, no, no. Shout out to the nail takes. We love you, D.

[Joe Button]

Trying.

[Keith]

Trying to figure out how we get.

[Joe Button]

What. Whatever.

[Ish]

Anyway, Mo, you want Amtrak home okay? No, I got points.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They need to get you there.

[Joe Button]

Skateboard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A seller, a seller, a seller, the seller.

[Mona]

The fast train.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, dog. Hey, Dog, I got you.

[Joe Button]

Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Ish]

That's the fast train stop. Be hasty now. We can't put our sister on sellers twice the price. And it's like a. You know, I mean, it's.

[Mona]

Nah, it's the bullet, though. It's the difference between being on a train for two, three hours and. Ain't you going to Philly around about.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's 15 minutes.

[Mona]

It is not.

[Ish]

It don't skip Metro Park. Exactly. She seen Trenton before.

[Mona]

Letting them bully me is crazy craziness.

[Keith]

Oh, we're just glad he got here. Safe, Mo.

[Joe Button]

That's it. Word. Indeed, safe.

[Mona]

And my bob is intact.

[Keith]

That's important.

[Ish]

I really like your hair. And I like the color.

[Joe Button]

I really like the color on you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, the train do your hair better than the car. Cuz the car, it be like your head is out the window. Exactly.

[Mona]

This just called me a puppy

[Mark Lamont Hill]

on the law.

[Mona]

He just called me a German shepherd.

[Joe Button]

She'll be like, I just got my head done before I got in the

[Ish]

car, I was like, all right, well,

[Joe Button]

what car was you in? Like, some shit without windows. Some new shit. You looking good, though. And you look like you made a lot of money last weekend.

[Mona]

I appreciate it. I did make a lot of money last weekend.

[Ish]

Who in here?

[Joe Button]

Yo, who in here made a lot of money last weekend?

[Mona]

Let's drop a mount.

[Ish]

Last weekend.

[Joe Button]

Last weekend

[Ish]

we lost.

[Joe Button]

I didn't ask you nothing about what you spent. You've been to Arkansas. You've been to.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You've been a lot of play. Who ain't made a lot of money last week?

[Keith]

I made some decent money last week.

[Ish]

I did okay.

[Joe Button]

There you go.

[Mona]

Let's drop numbers.

[Ish]

I did okay. I ain't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll start first. Okay. Negatives.

[Mona]

Yeah. How about you?

[Ish]

Maybe. Maybe 15.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

How about you last week?

[Mona]

Last weekend? Yeah, last week.

[Ish]

Last weekend I did something.

[Mona]

We did numbers. We playing fair.

[Joe Button]

I did something. I didn't add it up.

[Mona]

Well, roundabout. That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you up the podcast?

[Joe Button]

Nothing. Your performance too poor to speak to me like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If we grading on the curve is in the swamp in this and my performance is poor.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying I didn't count last week. Nothing special happened last week. It was just. It's just.

[Ish]

It's just all that last weekend. We thought you might make some extra bread.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The same.

[Joe Button]

Oh, extra.

[Mona]

No, but we can't get around about word.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not the question you asked.

[Joe Button]

I need a calculator.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't. This one right there. Right there, right there.

[Mona]

This is a topic on the show, and I know the fans want to know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you do.

[Ish]

They don't give a fuck about that.

[Joe Button]

Probably about 60 grand. I made about 60 grand.

[Mona]

See?

[Joe Button]

Blessed and highly favored. All due to. All due to eye power. Praise God.

[Mona]

30 piece.

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Mona]

Y' all cook two shows in D.C.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

oh, y' all out there getting.

[Joe Button]

We killing stand up is all.

[Ish]

We killing 30 for two, yo.

[Mona]

Three shows total. Philly and 2 BC.

[Joe Button]

Let's go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's in a pop.

[Joe Button]

Oh, those your birthday prices at the birthday party. Those your birthday prices?

[Mona]

No, there ain't no birthday prices.

[Joe Button]

Talk heavy.

[Ish]

I set them up.

[Joe Button]

I set them up. Talk heavy on them regular prices they talking about out there.

[Mona]

But I got beat on the birthday party. You know he's supposed to split the door money. You want to shot six, you can't count the door. I swear, when I first started drinking, it wasn't nobody in there. When we left, that was packed. He said, my apple pay you what we made. I'm gonna go half.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said, you 800. Speaking of which, I gotta 560. No, speaking of which, I gotta send you some bread too, because you didn't have the Cash app. And I told them send it to me. Yeah, and they sent it to me for you, so.

[Joe Button]

She's such a good whip.

[Mona]

Trapper beep my kid. Listen, I am one of them. I don't give a fuck. Y' all lucky Cash apps clicked me this year. Real shit.

[Joe Button]

What? You never.

[Mona]

No, listen, it's okay. I promise y'. All. You don't have to do anything wrong to lose that thing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

To lose Cash app.

[Mona]

To lose the Cash app.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All the people I know that lost Cash app.

[Joe Button]

The same.

[Ish]

Everybody I know that lost Cash app.

[Joe Button]

Cash app had them dead to rights. They see what you're doing. We know what you're doing. And now no let you get away

[Mark Lamont Hill]

with it for me.

[Joe Button]

Now you pop back up. Young Purple, too. No, no, it's not Young Purple too. We ban in that one, too. You and your whole business infrastructure. Get the out of here.

[Ish]

Yo, I know a lot of love Cash.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know. No, I ain't know.

[Joe Button]

Please lose cash out quick.

[Mona]

No, I promise, y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Mona]

They take it for no reason and

[Mark Lamont Hill]

do exactly what Joe said. Come back and put the two on the end. And they take that. You can't respond.

[Mona]

You can't even remake it well.

[Joe Button]

Well, the people that they took them from have a similar reputation to You.

[Mona]

Oh my.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wasn't even doing all that.

[Ish]

Let's try it another way.

[Joe Button]

Cause they could take it for no reason at all. They do. I mean, that's a fact. But also what could be true is the profiles.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ever watch America's Most Wanted?

[Ish]

I would never play with that.

[Mona]

I would never play around with that shit. Cause people tip you through there and all that. Oh, man, people show love through kids.

[Joe Button]

I wish I could find all the niggas that I scammed out of money over there years. I would pay you.

[Ish]

I would pay you back, dead ass.

[Joe Button]

I think about you all sometime when

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I go to bed.

[Mona]

Reach out.

[Ish]

How?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You were scared.

[Mona]

Reach out.

[Ish]

Huh?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How was you scared?

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying. No, I'm. I'm being very serious.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't think you're lying.

[Joe Button]

I'm being very serious.

[Mona]

So how.

[Joe Button]

Whatever. Verse here, verse there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So you took the money and I did the verse.

[Joe Button]

Brown bag.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You took the money and I did the verse, gave some be.

[Joe Button]

Whatever what I took.

[Mona]

But see, to me and then. And this is how I feel about it, to me, that's bad business. That's not scamming. So if.

[Joe Button]

Oh yeah. Because my heart was in it. I meant to do whatever I was supposed to do. I just didn't get around with it.

[Mona]

No.

[Joe Button]

Oh no.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's scamming if you don't do it.

[Mona]

If I did a business deal when I first started and you got to talking crazy to me, that was the end of the deal. That's just how I kept the bread. You fucking right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So what you call that bad business?

[Mona]

I call that bad business. Got you. I never. To me, scamming is somebody reaching out to you, trying to get your money, or you offering a service that you don't even do. If I have a service and we got something exchanged and you get to popping and talking crazy posting my personal information, doing anything like that, that's silly on your end. That's how I thought back then. Like that's your bad, not mine.

[Joe Button]

But what about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have a service, somebody paid for the service and I just don't do it. That's still scamming.

[Mona]

Yeah, that's. I guess that's scamming.

[Ish]

I get what you're saying. It's. Cause the whole play wasn't a hustle. It just. You just ended up doing something different as opposed to like I'm setting you up to do. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, it's artists out there right now. I'm not saying no names. They are DMing up and coming acts I seen it for feature verses and shit like that that they're never gonna do.

[Ish]

That's a scam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But again, this is in line with something that they do. You took the bread. You just didn't fulfill your end. That is a scammed.

[Ish]

I think. What? They tried to scam me this week too. Who? School gorilla sister. Man, we finally hooked up after the show. You don't say, wait, oh, no, I didn't get sc. I didn't get scammed. But it was. We was on the verge. I was on the verge. She hit me up like, what up, bro?

[Mona]

Stop using them big words when you talk to her.

[Ish]

I said, yo, here you go. She said, what up, bro? She said, we doing this? I said, yeah. So I was like, cool. So I said, let's do this interview. She said, cool. She said, well, send me the money. So we was going back and forth about how much it would be worth to do an interview with Gloria sister. What would you have paid?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't have paid for an interview with her, bro.

[Mona]

Joe magic number 2500. I think that's a good number.

[Ish]

And so I said. She said, Five bands? I said, no, 2,500. She said, Cool. I said, let's do it. I'm coming back from Arkansas that night. I said. She said, when you wanna do it? I said, we could do it tomorrow morning or. I said, my flight's a little late. We could even do it 1:00am Cause I figured she don't sleep with no more hours. I can't imagine. So I said, let's do it. She said, cool. She said, I need all the money right now.

[Mona]

Oh, bitch, please.

[Ish]

I said, you want me to cash app you $2,500 right now? She said, yeah. She said, well, that's how business works.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's not.

[Mona]

This is good.

[Ish]

So I said, no, My network policy is we'll pay you after the interview. She said, no. 50. 50 split. Cool. I said, will you get in the room? Cause it was online.

[Mona]

It was virtual.

[Ish]

Virtual. Thank you. I said, when you get in the room, I'll send you half. We'll do the interview, and before you log off, I send you the other half. That seems fair, right?

[Mona]

That's.

[Ish]

She said, my scheduler won't even put it on the books until I'm paid in full.

[Mona]

Oh, please.

[Ish]

First of all, you don't have a scheduler. And it's like, we doing this shit in an hour. And so she was, all right. I was like, no, I'm not giving you 1250 while I'm sitting here on this plane. I'll never see you again. That's what I'm thinking. You know what I mean? I just said no. And finally she said, well, then just give me 500. Then I was like, no. She was like, 250. I was like, you know what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me get some hot wings in the snapper.

[Ish]

Hot wings and a Snapple.

[Joe Button]

Are you serious?

[Ish]

Dead ass.

[Keith]

What?

[Mona]

Move.

[Joe Button]

She eventually got there to five.

[Ish]

500. I'm joking about this. Five, 500. Yes. Yes. We got the 500. We got the 500. Absolutely. We got the 500. And I said, it's cool. I said, you can. You know, I wish you the best of luck. You know what I mean? That's when she put on. I think she put on Instagram. Like, I'm doing five exclusive interviews. DM me now they running out, so. Because I was. I was. I was done with that. Yeah, she got down to 500, though.

[Joe Button]

So you know what time it is?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what it is.

[Mona]

500.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Now 500. Deposit.

[Mona]

Deposit, right. She wanted a deposit.

[Ish]

It. I don't know. That's what I assume.

[Mona]

But she let me talk to her. I speak that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me hear the conversation.

[Joe Button]

Cash app. New up, bro.

[Ish]

Cash. Don't call me White Girl 3,

[Mona]

first of all, y' all need to stop playing with me. That's number one.

[Joe Button]

Don't call me white girl.

[Mona]

Number two, Let me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, let me hear it.

[Mona]

Just. Yo, what's up, bro? With a bunch of O's on the bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Mona]

Excitement. Oh, man, I've been dying to do this. I want to do the virtual drawing. She going, oh, drawing Philly. That get her excited, right? And you know, you want to lock in now. Let's do it now.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Mona]

Then she's gonna say, okay, I need it paid in full. Then I'm gonna say, all right. Bet I'm racing that now. She gonna hit me back 15 times within the 10 minutes. I'm gonna say, damn, bro, something wrong with my phone. By the time I hit this bitch back, we already ready to go. So I went along, walked her from the plane, ready to the interview.

[Ish]

Got you.

[Mona]

Hit her and say.

[Ish]

I was trying to call her, and she was like, she had a phone call.

[Mona]

She ain't got no phone.

[Ish]

She told me she ain't got no phone. I didn't realize.

[Mona]

I don't know if you. You know, it's been a while since you've been out.

[Ish]

I just. She was up so much.

[Mona]

Was that really her though, that's another thing. Yeah, that was her page for sure. I haven't really been able to find.

[Ish]

So salute to her, man. I hope she gets those interviews, man.

[Mona]

Her for not doing an interview.

[Ish]

You, bro, I think I'm okay.

[Mona]

You in that strap. Oh, she gonna do the interview. She squat if not her.

[Ish]

Got so ill, was kind of hard to guard. The last few tears, I went through something with mama. No drama. Something that came and went. Real life karma. My pop think his son is deserting him. It's hurting him. Guess I gotta be the man and

[Mark Lamont Hill]

sit down and work with him.

[Ish]

My Little Boy 7, he the sequel to the Thug. So I told him the money will never equal to the love. Listen, I'm grown, y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Ish]

When it comes to my family, it ain't never a problem. It's only fun. I intend to take that and run with it. So every other month, Gus told up the Beamer and broke K leg again. Let us pray. Mike check 1, 2, 1 2m check. Hanging in the local bars yet? Had to let the thing off across town in the projects. All these rumors and shit, but I ain't get robbed yet. Bitch ass niggas ain't stopped acting like broad Jet in arm reach up a gun in the mask Somebody clipped me for a hundred in cash still kill me I hit the road and try to get more grip it was cool until the talk no charges brought up. Bitch popped up with a kid, got caught up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Then I put a caught up.

[Ish]

Where's he from? Jamaica, Queens, Cali or down south. Not gonna let a LA gun hit him. Grape street already told me you paying to run with him. I can leave a New York knife poke on one of my doorways, but I don't oh, New York City. What up, what up, what up out there? Somebody tell Paul we riding get ready to arch it up head since you like having people with you get you a hospital with bone bed without Dr. Dre you would just make Slow J come up out of that witness protection program. They coming from a head pope. I'm like the Dow Jones who rap My stocks is high and it never was all love so stop the lies Motherfuckers will blow your brains out and watch you bleed the same niggas that you trust let them watch and see you got it dead make his money, don't stop ° that's why now I gotta rock my vest pop my three and whoever not first May God forgive the who lives Sometimes you got to handle your bids to my When I die keep Inhaling a lie and come to my wake high when you telling me bye what goes around comes around Am I coming to going all I'm trying to do. Until I flood that way with the top off my whip Bust my gun while it's still tuck Hop off my dick I run with a few parolees, old thieves. Who really the best rapper since Big ain't here. Y' all know the answer to that. When Kiss ain't here, when you see me. Don't ask me nothing about us and don't definitely ask me nothing about them. You owe me one. I owe you two. I would have smacked you in the burner, but I know you, too. And I ain't talking to him, I'm talking to you. Matter of fact, talking to y' all in the heart and the sauce Got thinking they hot like my dope Got fiends thinking they shot when you thinking they're the best Cut your hand off,

[Joe Button]

I promise we starting. Cuz I could do what Jadakiss said all day.

[Ish]

Sticky green drop, hop out, let off 53 shots Wouldn't care if I hit 53 cops Giuliani might as well be Murkin. Cause the time that he giving out is hurting. And all these record labels jerking. And you right there. I started that. Don't make me put something up in your starter hat. No matter who you are or where you from. Screw all of that. I'm not trying to hear this.

[Mona]

What's that?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What's that? Who is that?

[Joe Button]

And Mona. Mona. Big Mona is here. What up? What episode is this?

[Keith]

905.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 905 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Prize Picks. Prize picks, gang.

[Ish]

You.

[Joe Button]

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with some really amazing. And people to my right. You know the vibes. Philly's finest. Don't call her white girl. Big Damona in the building. Mona, how you feeling?

[Mona]

I'm feeling great.

[Joe Button]

Good. Love that. Next to her, another fucking Philly. Fucking these Philly motherfuckers. Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, how you doing? Good, good, good.

[Ish]

Ramadan Mubarak to everybody who's fasted out there.

[Joe Button]

Yo, yo, about that.

[Ish]

That.

[Joe Button]

It's Ramadan indeed. So shout out to the. To. You know what I mean? To the heads out there. A lot of people in my life last year and the year before, y' all was grumpy. So I feel like it's important, even if you're not on Ramadan. And ain't it lint something too, right? There a few things going on. Tanita, even if you're not doing any of that, it is a good time to clean. Cleanse. Find something that you need to cleanse and get your life right. But y' all, people, y', all, y' all was grumpy. I just wanna say that.

[Mona]

First week only.

[Joe Button]

And isn't this year Ramadan starting earlier than normal?

[Ish]

Well, it moves two weeks every year earlier and earlier. But that's better. Cause last year when the daylight savings happened right in the middle, that was a little rough. Cause that added that extra hour on the other side and I don't wake up. I wasn't waking up enough to eat in the morning. So now I'm good, man. Sunset like 5:40.

[Joe Button]

When my barber mill finished that 6:00 o' clock cut, he be, yo, is there just a store around that sells like peaches? How the do I. I ain't ate a peach since the second grade.

[Mona]

It be really nice if you had something for him.

[Joe Button]

Some dates, bro, he just be like. He just be.

[Ish]

Dates of the dates are big. Yeah, that's like a big. A lot of drivers do that too. Like when they.

[Keith]

Why dates? Out of curiosity.

[Ish]

I think it's tradition, but it also. I find them filling.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Ish]

Like, it makes you feel a little fuller than you otherwise would. But I think it just started from the Middle East. I think that's why.

[Mona]

Dates and cream cheese.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, is that another one? Well, I stuffed some chick fil a in my book bag, so as soon as 5:40 hit, I'm going. I'm going ham. I don't care what we talking about.

[Joe Button]

I'm going ham.

[Ish]

I see the irony.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's pretty good. Next to him, our good brother, Mr. Thousand Doors and up Big ish in

[Ish]

the building deserve is.

[Joe Button]

How you doing, man?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm great, sir. Yourself?

[Joe Button]

Good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The weather, but I'm cool.

[Joe Button]

Well, you. You looking well. You don't sound. You look good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't got no haircut, none of that.

[Ish]

It's cool though.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but that's what 50s should be about to me. Like, I don't think haircuts, I mean every.

[Ish]

You get a cut every week, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I try to, yeah.

[Ish]

Two weeks ain't no kidding.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha.

[Joe Button]

Even though y' all 50 year olds, when you skip one of the maintenance

[Keith]

days, the 50 looks 50.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you do look a little more. Yeah, you look a little more, but it's fine.

[Keith]

Here.

[Joe Button]

Go into another 50 year old counterpart over Here, our good brother. Big Freeze. Big Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Chilling.

[Joe Button]

How you feeling? Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Joe Button]

Good, good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Glad to be here.

[Joe Button]

Absolutely love that Big Parks is in the building. PO is here. Corey's here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savona here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are out there. Now's a good time to tell you to sign up for the Patreon if you are not signed up there. Shout out to all the sub sub groups out there, all the hate listeners. Got a great show lined up for you today. I'm sure we do. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Where do you want to start, Keith?

[Keith]

Well, I'll start with Newman.

[Joe Button]

Start with Keem.

[Keith]

Start with Keem.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go.

[Keith]

Keem's casino is out now. He did a listening event on YouTube last night. I did not catch it. I did not know what was happening. But the album is here and it sounds pretty good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I've listened to it. The first half I like a lot. Second half is kind of hit or miss, but overall I'm definitely fucking with the project. Nice follow up for melodic Blue after a. Was it four year.

[Keith]

It's been a while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, three, four years. Usually you get that sophomore slump, but not. Not him.

[Joe Button]

Not him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not him.

[Keith]

Super solid. The intro I love a lot. I don't know if you want to line up some. Some jams to play there.

[Joe Button]

There we go. This is track one. No security, baby King no security Nowadays

[Ish]

I'm with gang gang Put a pause on the lifestyle I grew up in Change lanes Uncle Andre just passed I can't help but bear blame Wish I got him help when the reason I turned 22 I was done with the range and I'm never online it's too

[Mona]

much to maintain my bitch see I'm

[Ish]

stressed out Another migraine Understand what it

[Mona]

takes just to reinvent the flame I

[Ish]

came back different With a sound to bring change 19 with some millions things began to turn strange My mama look at me just like she going to

[Mona]

the bank My grandma putting me in

[Ish]

aqua spots with I never thought Going crumbled paper at the wall drawing blanks I'm a genius I was told I'm a genius I was chose I'm a product to the world it's some things

[Mona]

that I ain't told like when my

[Ish]

mama walked me round with no shoes jewels in the cold When I was dying for my bitch My mom was sleeping in a tent Going back and forth to Jail, should I bail? Where can I vent? Fucking up my credit card when I tried to pay a rent Usually go on stage and fake a smile but I can't, niggas run the same place

[Joe Button]

I appreciated this as a start Me too.

[Mona]

Yes, I did she's not my style

[Ish]

so I can't I'm drinking alkaline water out the way and staying fit Buying cars I barely drive Wasting chips to scratch the itch I can promise niggas this I am not for everybody I can drop on everybody It's a mop for everybody But I stay inside my

[Joe Button]

laboratory I love the sequencing too. I love how this flows in the track too, which I like a lot.

[Ish]

Yeah, my path to glory

[Joe Button]

Yep, I'm letting it play. Go ahead.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, rock out.

[Ish]

Yep, yep.

[Joe Button]

Right away. I knew what time it was with this already. This sounds nuts.

[Ish]

I'm having trouble with my 911 smoking

[Mona]

your chest and I know it weigh

[Ish]

heavy I'm out of a ride, dog, you gotta come get me why she

[Mona]

always talking like she understand me?

[Ish]

I f with the nerves on stage

[Mona]

I go landing I don't have family so why keep a palace? My gay bought so many watches I went and got one and I didn't

[Ish]

even all of the around me is humble I'll be the eye so I'm more free Madonna sh your wife we hike up the hills she got a man so I hold like salana biting my tongue while I rack up the bills Lately I'm. I'm not complaining about it I'm helping find by upper body I just hit

[Mona]

a million and didn't excite me.

[Keith]

Yeah, that's the energy. That's a good energy to start off with. Try too.

[Joe Button]

I really appreciate the just concise album.

[Keith]

Yeah, it's 37 minutes, something like that.

[Joe Button]

37 minutes one through. What is this? 11? 11 songs, straight to the point.

[Keith]

Not many features.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Very easy, easily digestible. Like I was very happy to wake up at three in the morning or whatever time I wake up and put this on. On and hear it and finish it.

[Keith]

Same.

[Ish]

How was the Kendrick features you mentioned? Features?

[Keith]

He body.

[Joe Button]

Oh, buddy.

[Keith]

He body. Going to get to it. Good flirts.

[Joe Button]

You didn't hear it?

[Ish]

No, I've been hearing about it. Oh,

[Joe Button]

buddy. Oh, okay. And I mean, I'm saying oh buddy just because as a mc, I really appreciated what he did on that song. But again, these tde niggas got a good way of whatever the single is. Boy, that's about to stand out. Yeah, yeah. It's about to be very plain, clear, clearly obvious that this is what's taking off and that is track four. But I don't want to skip track three.

[Keith]

This is my shit right here.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. This is hard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is one of them.

[Joe Button]

This is hard.

[Keith]

He did a lot of production himself with some danger Danger hands on a bunch of co producers.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I fucked with this one a lot. I think I'm with you.

[Mona]

Oh,

[Ish]

Thursday you going to meet B King.

[Mona]

Friday I'mma see to your knees. But on Saturday we practicing the furs and the beast. I ain't mad. I ain't mad. I mad I mad. I'm tired of lying to you and acting like it's fat.

[Ish]

I hate a curious always asking what that when I say that I am boo that mean I'm never coming back.

[Joe Button]

All right, I'll get to it. Yeah, but I like that song.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta hit that record in the car too.

[Keith]

That's nice. In the car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That one is amazing. In the car.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that song is hard. And actually, no, it's not true. I want to get to the end. The end of it. I like how these songs go into each other. Yeah.

[Keith]

Facts

[Ish]

in the first place and the be.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I appreciate this stuff on albums. All right, here you go, Mark. Here you go. Track 4. Good Flirts featuring Kendrick Lamar and Momo Boyd.

[Mona]

My phone on a Friday night.

[Joe Button]

After this, I'll stop playing. We can get to speaking about some of this stuff.

[Mona]

Don't you love to flirt with a stranger? Don't you love letting out of the crowd? Baby, I ain't coming home on a Friday night I'm all good my hips still whine don't you love a good flirt with a stranger? Don't you love letting out a cry? Ain't coming home on a Friday night I'm all good. Barely together even you always playing now

[Ish]

you hating cause what these bitches be

[Mona]

saying like why he never took you on me they stay it's crazy because you had everything they chasing like somebody you can call.

[Joe Button]

Does it say who did this? Beat?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Keith]

The. The other gentleman, Helm, Rascal, and what's

[Joe Button]

arp shout out to them.

[Keith]

I don't. I'm sorry. Not familiar.

[Joe Button]

And what a plus that your premiere act can hop on any song that any of these artists come up with, right? What's up, Mona? You can see yourself getting plowed down to this. Could you see yourself getting folded up to this?

[Mona]

I don't know about getting fucked, but

[Joe Button]

I like it with a stranger, man.

[Keith]

It's for that make out the bar vibe, you know? I mean good flirt with a stranger.

[Joe Button]

I think so. Yeah, I think so.

[Mona]

I never knew a love love love like this Flood your contour, make you

[Joe Button]

blush like this A friend zone when

[Mona]

you hug like this Never on your ear, touch your butt like this we just like this if God's a girl then the guy we trust like this to be honest Love love too I got so with my bitch like I'm

[Keith]

young

[Mona]

loose right wrongs till they come

[Joe Button]

with royalties and pub too.

[Ish]

Where you at the house with it?

[Joe Button]

Watching Santa on the couch with it.

[Mona]

I was about to, but you convinced

[Joe Button]

us to meditate on emotional attachments. Even if I f from my distractions. Been missing your body loving on your body kissing on your body crushing on

[Mona]

your body Ice burn jeans or the Julies duck worth you know streaks my but I'm goofy wait, you must got a platinum record in the. I got a platinum black in the.

[Ish]

Crushing on your booty that is fire.

[Keith]

He went crazy gossip with my like Young Thug.

[Ish]

That's what I saw. The Internet people saying he dissed him.

[Keith]

It's an acknowledgement.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Of Young Thug talking about him. But it's not. It's not this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do the same shit.

[Keith]

And I do. I felt it.

[Ish]

Word. Every dude felt it.

[Keith]

Yeah, I love gossip.

[Joe Button]

There's dudes out there that's pretending that they don't gossip with their girl.

[Keith]

Knock it off.

[Ish]

They all lie.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, sure.

[Mona]

You know best gossipers.

[Keith]

That's the whole point of being in a relationship.

[Ish]

Fact.

[Keith]

That's one of the major perks.

[Ish]

Let me tell you what happened.

[Joe Button]

Shit. We do it on a wake up too.

[Ish]

What?

[Joe Button]

First thing in the morning and last

[Keith]

thing before bed playing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, Right there.

[Joe Button]

Don't let it be some breaking gossip that I find out at 4 in the morning. I might wake a up. I'm glad to know that Kendrick does it too. Yeah, that song is great.

[Keith]

That's always great.

[Joe Button]

That song is great. I'm with y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Button]

I like the first half of this project more than I like the second half of the project.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's a couple joints on the second half.

[Joe Button]

It ain't but 37 minutes. So it wasn't on long enough for me to have a complaint.

[Keith]

Right.

[Ish]

Y' all got me excited from this first half albums.

[Keith]

And listen for me, the second half, it might have to grow on me type of vibe. But it wasn't nothing that like super stood out the way that the first. First maybe seven, eight records did outside

[Mark Lamont Hill]

of what is it? Casino. Oh, wait a minute.

[Keith]

Freestyle joint.

[Ish]

Yeah, that.

[Keith]

That record was hard.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That, that, that and no blame.

[Ish]

Who the told you I wouldn't get bigger? 25m and now sticker hey.

[Mona]

Next

[Joe Button]

circus circus freestyle track nine.

[Ish]

You a goofy who the told you I wouldn't get bigger? Hating that waiting on me to slip up who the told you I wouldn't get bigger? Your ex went g don't like how you me Then my homie she called my phone saying I was just lonely I was scooping yesterday think about Kobe Remember them days living off baloney? If you want a six pack you got to do sit ups not trying yeah, this was cool like me I

[Mark Lamont Hill]

got some head up like me I.

[Ish]

We teed up now he's looking up

[Mona]

for trouble we was six deep in the hood dog keeping my mystique when I hustle trying to do the impossible Burn out in traffic going bonkers 99 tool boogie monster whole time, whole time

[Ish]

it was us Whole time he was inside I was outside in the mud Whole time seen a bitch lying by my.

[Joe Button]

You get the point? Yeah, yeah, you get the point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When that beat drop you, you instantly gain another 30 to 40 miles per hour in the car. I'm telling you something I told y'.

[Joe Button]

All I'm done doing one album. One listen reviews. So I don't have a review. I'm just talking. I'm talking sound great. But it does sound. It does sound good.

[Keith]

Yeah, it sounds real good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That is the review like for me on the one listen. That's either I like this so far or I don't. I'm not sign to pick it apart. And n man, this is a good project.

[Keith]

Yeah. The first listen is just do I like this or not?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it for sure. And I like and I like it.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Somehow you got me. I'm with that too short right Record too. Yeah, yeah, I'm with that too short record.

[Keith]

That record's tough.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to king man. Good job. I like hearing Kendrick do all of the the freaky girl verse.

[Keith]

Hey did some background like vocals and ad libs and on the project again.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Keith]

What you did in the first one as well.

[Joe Button]

Any other new music that we need to get to.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mozzie and estg dropped the album together. They put a single.

[Joe Button]

It's like best of both worlds for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought it would be that's like

[Joe Button]

when hoven Kels dropped the album is

[Mark Lamont Hill]

called not a chance in hell again. 12 songs, 30 minutes. So another short, concise project yeah, Mozzie out. Mozzy stood out on this one.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't. I don't know how to word it. Something's missing from ESTJ for me, and I. I can't pinpoint it.

[Joe Button]

Crimes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, man, not crimes.

[Keith]

Crimes are still there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Crimes. The crime talk is still there. I don't know what he's doing, this person.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I just know you like your rappers to actually get out there and be doing them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Be real with. No, I like it to sound good. I like the music to sound good, bro. All right, that's it. I don't want you all out here doing it, risking your freedom. If you don't have to say that.

[Joe Button]

Say that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Make it sound good, though. But yeah, yeah, overall, cool project. I'm not. There's five or six that I like a lot. Mozzy has a solo record on here called Buick the Benz Smooth.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But yeah, check it out. If one thing that stood out to me that was very interesting is this is not listed as cg. Cmg. And I know they both signed there.

[Keith]

Oh, it's interesting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I don't know if there's something

[Joe Button]

going on with the business. A little nice little.

[Keith]

Little nugget.

[Joe Button]

Nugget.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I. Look, I pay attention to this because I be wondering where these artists. Where these artists are. I didn't talk to anybody. I didn't even ask any questions. CMG right now are dealing with a lot with Rest in Peace Lil Papa. So I didn't reach out to nobody

[Joe Button]

and say, hey, he was a CMG act.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. That young.

[Joe Button]

That young man.

[Keith]

Rest in Peace.

[Joe Button]

Rest in peace to him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's cmg.

[Joe Button]

I didn't know that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I just reached out and sent condolences. But I'm not asking about this right now. Watching y' all dealing with that.

[Joe Button]

Got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But on the album, it's just listed Mozzy and Young shiners, which is ESTG's label under Empire.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So I just. It's something to pay attention to.

[Keith]

We got it. We got an Alchemist, Currency, Larry June project, short project, seven songs, Spiral Staircases. It is exactly what you think of when you think of these three artists. Kind of laid back, Down Tempo Records, but a nice vibe, nice ride in the car.

[Joe Button]

Got it. All right. I didn't know that either.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

All right, so I have to check these things out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And also, surprisingly, HOV puts Dead Presidents, the first version, up on streaming today. Today is the 30th anniversary of that song being released as a single.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Reasonable doubt, of course. Is June of 96, so it'll be 30 years in June. But out of nowhere, he just. He changed his name, put the umlauts back on the Y and drop Dead Presidents. Welcome surprise to everyone who couldn't get it before.

[Keith]

True.

[Ish]

Yeah, true. And a lot of people only know Dead Presidents too, from Reasonable Doubt, so that's kind of dope. And last but certainly not least, we can't. We can't go without mentioning young. Miami dropped a new single, second single this week. Tea time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You got a little something.

[Ish]

It's deeply personal. She said it's a deeply personal.

[Keith]

A deeply personal record.

[Ish]

Deeply personal personal record.

[Keith]

I can look it up for you guys if you want. Let's see who wants.

[Joe Button]

Okay, all of this is why I don't even start with music. Every. Each one of these is why I put. I normally put music back to hour six, but. Let's do it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, this is a record.

[Joe Button]

You. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Ish]

This is that record?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Mona]

Oh, I could perform it. Really?

[Joe Button]

Oh. Oh, that'll get the train rocking.

[Ish]

Which one? Oh, what's your problem? Yo, this thing is crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even find that funny more. Me either.

[Mona]

I didn't get it. That's why I get offended.

[Joe Button]

You can't even say that.

[Mona]

Ignorance is bliss.

[Ish]

I was laughing some unrelated.

[Mona]

I know you would never like that.

[Joe Button]

Mark, do you really want our real opinion on. On. On. On this? Are y' all gonna troll?

[Ish]

I was joking.

[Joe Button]

Throughout the whole most important part of

[Ish]

this show, I was teasing. Last but not least, MC Yellow Legs.

[Joe Button]

MC Yellow Legs.

[Ish]

Drop drop the EP too.

[Joe Button]

Call the cracking. Yo, I know a lot of y' all don't know, but that got boring. His last tape. Sound no ass.

[Mona]

Oh, are you going to play it or no?

[Keith]

Oh, if you.

[Joe Button]

Oh, please.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No way.

[Joe Button]

Y for real.

[Keith]

Let's do a lyric break.

[Joe Button]

What is becoming this place?

[Ish]

T Top?

[Joe Button]

Yo, who's running this place? Oh, this has to fall on leadership.

[Mona]

You know it's te when you see them two fingers touching.

[Ish]

Sorry. Burning up the Tick Tock streets.

[Joe Button]

The doctor brought this in.

[Keith]

Yeah, right.

[Mona]

That's enough.

[Keith]

Okay, thank you.

[Ish]

This is lighting social media up.

[Joe Button]

I don't think it sounds bad.

[Ish]

I don't think it's.

[Mona]

I just think it's sounds worse.

[Joe Button]

Cheesy. She said it sounds worse.

[Ish]

But it works on Tick Tock. This song that was made for Tick Tock.

[Mona]

We talked about it last week. It went viral negatively and she's taken.

[Ish]

Oh, she released it today.

[Mona]

Yeah, why not?

[Joe Button]

Are you here Mark, do you hear him?

[Ish]

She know. She don't care about the negative response. She's like it. I'm still putting this thing out and it's going to make money.

[Joe Button]

Yep. You know what? If you wouldn't talk about it on you and your wife show.

[Keith]

Actually, I want you and your wife. I want you.

[Ish]

I got a breakdown for tea time. That's right, Patreon. Check us out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Button]

There is some R B music that I'll let y' all know about a little. A little later on in the show. I'm too old for these. I just appreciate getting the music now.

[Keith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Like your roll out, your GQ spread your. I don't care. I'll be honest.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody had gq.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. I'm just talking. I'm just saying. Your magazine cover, you got your fucking. The hot wings you ate. Oh, he ate the hot one. That's my man, too. I love that show. It's a smash over there. But I don't care, man. Just give me the music. I'm too old for it. I'm too old.

[Keith]

Unless it's a great roll up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even care about that.

[Joe Button]

I don't give a fuck. I'll be. Yeah, I don't really care. I appreciate it. Like, I appreciate what J. Cole is doing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Doing right now.

[Joe Button]

Right? That's dope for them. They don't do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got the album already. I don't really care what you do after that.

[Keith]

Fair.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? As long as the music is good, which in Cole's case, it was. As long as the music is good. Have at it. That's for the fans.

[Joe Button]

Know how old I am now? Cause Night Agent just came out on Netflix. But this is true for any show. When the new season of the show come on. I have to go watch the last episode of the last season. Even though I saw it already already.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even though they're gonna show the little recap. I don't care. I don't care about that. I need to go watch the finale.

[Joe Button]

That's what happened with Nightcap. I played. I played the shit. The recap said, oh, the President. The president is about to die. I was like, wait, I don't remember the President about to get a job and kill somebody. Whatever.

[Keith]

Well, it'd be like two, three years between these.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the problem. That's the thing. You gotta do the refresher.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I told you. Paradise. Just go watch. Go watch it.

[Joe Button]

Go watch what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The fanatic Alley. The last couple episodes. Because we. We almost there.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no. I'm ready for paradise.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm ready too.

[Joe Button]

Paradise. I'm ready.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That was last year.

[Joe Button]

I've been waiting. I'm already ready for paradise in my memory bank. Yeah. Do we want to. Do we want to talk about this big UMG deal with Even? Come on, let's do it.

[Keith]

We could. We could. Even's been around for a couple years. They do basically D2C kind of rollouts for. For independent artists or have been. But now they been acquired or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What does D2C mean?

[Joe Button]

Direct. Direct to consumer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha.

[Keith]

Direct to consumer. Similarish to like a band camp or something like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Gotcha.

[Keith]

But they've been acquired or partnered with umg.

[Joe Button]

Partnered with.

[Keith]

Partnered with.

[Joe Button]

I've seen nothing that says acquired that they've been acquired.

[Keith]

I think it's pretty interesting. I don't understand why you would be on a major label and then do more D2C. I mean, I understand why the major labels would want that service, but I don't understand as an artist on a major label, why you would want. You could just do it yourself. D2C.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or it might be some nuance from a business perspective. I'm just guessing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That the artist may not know how to do right. It's like anybody be like, yo, you go start a podcast, you could. But if you want to do it correctly, if you want to roll your shit out correctly, I think it's some information that you might be lacking that may be true. You know, I'm saying that some experts might have that maybe true offer. I don't know.

[Keith]

It's just pretty interesting in general, the. The major labels behaving more like indies in general. Even going back to some of the rollouts that we talked about last year, where it's like, let's see how it performs and then we'll market from there.

[Ish]

It's.

[Keith]

It's all independent strategies that are being utilized by major labels.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I mean, when I. When I saw it, you hit on the head. When I saw it, I was. It was like, okay, this is indeed confirmation that they are watching us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. This is the confirmation that the big boys are watching.

[Joe Button]

The little boys. I mean, that's always the case. But yeah, they're. They're watching not only the little guys, but their ecosystems and their worlds and their groups they're creating and they're watching the discord and they're watching the super fans and they're watching what people are paying for bundles and they watching what Independent acts might be selling for certain projects. They watching what the artwork is doing. They watching. Just consider yourself surveilled. They're watching all of it. And if they can implement it and help on a big. They're watching United Masters.

[Keith]

I think it's also an indication that streaming is not great for the music economy that we've kind of been talking about for a while up here now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What I think they realizing is it's a lot of money being made outside of streaming.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then they. Again, this is cat and mouth. So if you. Whatever way the artists find out how to make money, the label now wants to come in and take that. Now you go find a new way. Oh, this is what y' all doing over there? Okay, we gotta get that too.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So that's what it is. Like even with even I was reading up and even, like you said, super fans and stuff. So they'll allow you to sell your album direct to your fans early before it drops. Yeah, the labels see that. Okay, wait, your fans are paying how much over here versus how much just for the subscription to a streaming service, right? Nah, let's go over here and get them too.

[Keith]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everywhere they find. Remember how people before was getting paid off tours?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You was making all your money on the road. What happens? Labels say no, 360. 360.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you getting paid off merch. No, we need that too. True. It's. It's the same game. It's just all right, wherever they find, wherever y' all find a way to make money outside the label, the label comes in and gets a part of it.

[Keith]

Again, my question is just that. What value are you adding as the major label now?

[Joe Button]

Just to be able to do it at scale and. And probably built in staff.

[Keith]

I just know I would be tight if I was signed to a major label. And they're like, you know what we're going to do? We're going to go to even. It's like, I could have did that. I could have did that. Oh, we're going to wait till your album comes out and then figure out what song is performing well. And then we'll bark at that. I could have did that. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. But for the lesser known artist that is on a major. Not getting any attention, not getting a shot at certain songs or certain sessions or certain spots, period. I could see this being very beneficial for them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For the small artists.

[Joe Button]

For the small artists. Artists just stuck in the matrix of. Yeah. Label hell for sure.

[Ish]

The infrastructure alone.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. This is a way for us to. This is a way for the label to make sense of justifying the time and energy for a smaller fan base

[Mark Lamont Hill]

if they got a piece of the whole. Okay, yeah, okay.

[Joe Button]

I mean. And I mean, if you let me just run off at the mouth. It's interesting seeing the little labels revert or start to revert back to physical sales mattering.

[Keith]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Again, it speaks to the nest of result. How much longer could they pretend like streaming, streaming, streaming. And I think streaming numbers are actually up.

[Keith]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Joe Button]

But how long could you pretend streaming, streaming, streaming, streaming. Once Spotify found a way to circumvent vent the music money over to podcasting. So whatever the deal is that we have with the labels, the labels get it already. It's not. There's nothing there. That relationship is. It could only last but for so long is what I'm saying.

[Keith]

It was pretty interesting too. I read an article that said the ASCAP's numbers went up fairly significantly last year. Which means that ASCAP is a performing rights organization. They collect money when your shit is played in radio, radios and stadiums. Basically non record sales, usage of music, not tv, that's a different license. And it went up, which is pretty interesting to me. So that means more music is being played and monetized than it was last year. The year before. The year before. So music is growing.

[Joe Button]

Music itself is growing. Like, I'm currently trying to investigate the distro kid sale.

[Ish]

Huh.

[Joe Button]

Because. Why. Why That's. I don't understand it yet.

[Keith]

Yeah. Who do they sell to?

[Joe Button]

Well, they didn't sell to anybody yet, but they are for sale and they're being repped by the big time. What's the big wigs in the back? We gotta pull it up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Goldman Sachs. Yes.

[Ish]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Button]

Goldman Sachs.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They're being advised.

[Keith]

Okay, yeah, that's. That's, that's big.

[Joe Button]

Big Dog.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And everybody's gonna be a big dog. See, and that's the thing. Every. Every thing. We still in smoke and mirrors land. So.

[Keith]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

I don't know. I don't know that. Umg. If they purchased even. No report says that, but the thinking is that if they haven't, they will.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, that's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, yo, isn't this just a case? You see it in other industries where the big dog see that you get emotion. It just come across, acquire you.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, that's just really. It happens in every single industry.

[Keith]

I could totally see that one of the major labels buying Distrokid also, because why not? Like, Distrokid essentially distributes your music. It's an easy way. You pay a fee and you can distribute your shit all over DSPs and places to purchase music. So you can basically make money off anybody making music because they're paying to put their music up. So why wouldn't you, if you're UMG or any of the major labels, buy that up and make money? Make money both ways, fam.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

DistroKid handles 30 to 40% of all new independent music distribution globally. Yeah, yeah. You buy that? Yeah, yeah, you buy that. And I mean, 2 billion sounds like a lot, but if you Universal,

[Joe Button]

you

[Mark Lamont Hill]

know what I'm saying? Like, that ain't about nothing for them.

[Joe Button]

Well, I. I'm. I'm not just pigeonholing it. Two universities.

[Keith]

Personal.

[Joe Button]

But it'll just be interesting to watch. I'm investigating the Distro kid stuff. Yeah.

[Keith]

I could. I could see a major label or another tech company, you know, I could see a Spotify or Apple or Title or whoever coming in to buy it. Because the same thing, like, I'm already making the money here. I might as well make money both ways.

[Joe Button]

We'll see what comes to even stuff.

[Keith]

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Cole used it for his. His roll out.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Stove. God. Did some stuff over there. Ransom did some stuff over there. People have been using even for a little while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the label see it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's what y' all doing.

[Keith]

Do we know who owns it currently? No, I don't.

[Joe Button]

I saw some report that said there was a few artists that have a stake in it, but.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that's dope.

[Joe Button]

Dope if true. Again, I haven't vetted any of this information, so I don't want to just get on here and talk off the hip.

[Keith]

Yeah, they're not saying.

[Joe Button]

It's fine. It's fine. We'll keep an eye on this. That's it?

[Keith]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

What else is fun?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mag Rodriguez is the founder and CEO, whoever that is. Young Spanish kid. Looks. Looks fairly young. Looks like about to be about 40. Said he's the founder and CEO.

[Ish]

35. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Interesting.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Interesting.

[Ish]

I'm glad I see a young person doing it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mad young. Yeah. So, all right.

[Joe Button]

What else is fun? What else is fun? What else is on your mind?

[Ish]

Well, it's not fun, but it's on my mind, you know, with the Lil Durk trial, the judge has ruled that some lyrics can be used in the trial, which is A big deal. Not all of them. I think they wanted like 13. Yeah, they got, is it five?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They got a couple of them. Some of them are gonna be. They have to be heard again. They're waiting for the prosecutors to explain exactly how this will supplies and a couple were thrown out. Some of the ones that were included were the lyrics from who wants smoke a Slap? Aha.

[Joe Button]

Oh, another slap.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And they, they, they picked the slaps.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They did pick.

[Joe Button]

I need the prosecution's playlist. They pick some joints. I ain't, I ain't gonna hold you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But if the slap is detailing how you slap somebody else, then.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's the thing. And that's why I'm gonna pray for Dirk, because they picked the songs where there's crime happening.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, where it's, It's. It sounds like I don't want to say. So what they allowed was like, they can't play a full video. They can only use a still frame or screenshot, which, again, if you're showing something in a whole scene, if you only could use this one shot, that

[Joe Button]

could be a BB gun.

[Mona]

So it's lyrics and music videos.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, they were trying to get lyrics, interviews, comments, videos. They were trying to get everything, Everything that he's done. They were trying to. If they could somehow tie it to any of this. They were trying to get it included. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

And they ruled some. They ruled everyone's out. Like there was a lyric, fool his ass. He think he buying some cars. We hop out school his ass. They said that was a moderate level of relevance and therefore could not be be used. So like, the judge is like, it can't. It's not enough to just say some. It's not even enough to say some. That's connect. That could be connected to this crime. It got to really directly connected. Yeah, like directly connected. They're trying to make it as narrow.

[Joe Button]

And this is the murder for hire.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

For the Quando shooting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Where his, his cousin died, right? Yep. Got it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Broad daylight by the mall over there. Yeah, got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

In California.

[Ish]

Yeah, I get it, man. I, I, I'm, I hate this situation so much. I don't. My position is artists lyrics shouldn't be used against them. I understand why people, when people are dying and rappers are rapping about dumb shit or rapping that they did some shit. I'm not saying he did this. I'm not talking about this case. I'm saying in general, when rappers say shit that implicates themselves and others. I get why courts want to Use it. I get why the victims families want to use it, but we got to hold a standard here because I think the risk outweighs the reward. The reward.

[Joe Button]

I mean, it's been like that since the Star Spangled Banner, though. Like,

[Keith]

I mean, the lyrics, keeping it to real lyrics.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Like when you go and you get a good win.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Got to run back since the beginning of time they put it in a song. These songs ain't just songs. They testimony.

[Keith]

I never even thought I'd tie it together. The Star Spangled Banner, you're not wrong.

[Mona]

What.

[Joe Button]

What did they do? They went right to the bo some up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the third verse.

[Ish]

Third verse.

[Mona]

Third.

[Joe Button]

Third verse is the one that's the silent track. The third verse. That's the one.

[Mona]

But where does it stop? And that's the danger with it. Then what is like, where. Where does it stop if they can use. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's a slippery slope. I. I'm on the fence, but I think that you should have an.

[Joe Button]

And we gotta define slippery slope soon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If they allowing you to use lyrics, right. Where do they have a cutoff? Like any lyric to any rapper that comes in here and said. Jadakiss said, yo, they had to use the scales that they weigh the wells with for my coke. Like, come on. If you want digest, like, if you go on set precedent in court, then case law gonna be case law. And now we could go take, yo, Indiana versus blah, blah, blah in 1922. Said that we could do do this.

[Ish]

But that is scary.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, that's why I don't. I don't. I don't look at it that way because again, you still got to prove this stuff. So if I say this in record like your Jadakiss example. All right, now, did they run it? Did they see? Did they find these scales? Did they find this coat?

[Joe Button]

Where's the way they did it? Where's the wet.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, you get what I'm saying with these lyrics y' all are describing that you went and did down to the letter. And that's. So now because you did. Oh, you talking about the murder right here that happened on this corner at this time on this day. You just detailed.

[Joe Button]

That's what I mean about slippery slopes. You know what a slippery slope is? Blood on the floor. That's slippery. Look what we talking about.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm just saying. No, that's why I said I'm on the fence. Cause I can understand, yo, if in your rap you are detailing. Yo, I caught him at the corner. Store it was blah blah, blah on bro. I just think you gotta have more sense and discernment and put that in your fucking rap.

[Ish]

But my problem is if you do like there are rappers who are hyper specific about their raps or they give details that sound real even in fiction.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Mona]

Right.

[Ish]

You know, and so I don't wanna put that on those rappers again. I understand. Don't do that. If you're a rapper out there and you committing crimes, don't rap about em before, during or after the crime.

[Keith]

That's pretty good advice.

[Ish]

This is solid advice, you know what I'm saying? But I don't. Because the problem with, for me, the problem with letting it in and saying you still gotta prove it is I don't want illegal evidence being used against me in court. Cause I don't trust jurors and I don't want the juror to have to decide. Especially a juror that doesn't understand rap, you know what I'm saying? Whether I'm. Whether this is an obvious crime or not. Cause obvious to me is different than obvious to somebody else. Somebody might. Really big is a good example. My homie Gutter kidnapped kids. He don't. You know what I mean? And what he said he did to them kids to a juror, that could sound hyper specific.

[Mona]

No, that's a. That's a great point. And then on top of the fact that.

[Ish]

Well, I don't know

[Joe Button]

because he said that in enough songs to where I can't just assume that that's not what Gutter was doing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's say he, let's say he's never.

[Joe Button]

He put that in a secret juicy verse like he was just saying that in, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, did I tell you about Gutter? He your ass.

[Mona]

I don't, I don't. What Mark saying if the, if the juror doesn't like rap, if the juror is grossed out by curse words, if the drawer. Because if you don't listen and let's say the juror does like rap, but it's a Run DMC fan, you know what I mean? This is pretty gross to them regardless because of how violent it is. So now that perception is. I'm totally judging this guy. On top of the fact that he got dreadlocks, he has a record already. You know what I mean? It's no way that this pans out as fair in my opinion. There's no way. It's a impossible.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you know, that's the jury selection game. We watch enough shit to be like, nope, we gonna go get this, this 70 year old white lady over here from Livingston somewhere. And then once she hears this as lyrics, she's, he's lost.

[Ish]

Or 47 year old podcaster. Like, if I hear that shit in the right, it's different. Look, you come from North Philly, but I'm with you. But I'm just saying, like, I, even for me, if I hear something at this age, I'm like, I might believe it, I might not use it against him in court. Cause I don't want, I don't want that to be the precedent. But I'm just saying, the average person, you don't even gotta be white and racist or white and suburban or white. Take racist off the table. You don't even have to be white and disconnected from our culture. You could just be an adult. That's like, why the fuck are you rapping about killing people and putting in songs like that shit is probably. They just think you're a dickhead.

[Joe Button]

Everything y' all are saying are the reasons why you have to talk yourself out of murdering people when you want to.

[Keith]

This is true. Especially if you're famous.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No bounties, man.

[Mona]

Law is the law. We going, if we, if we following it, we going to do things according to the law. That just doesn't make any sense. And then where does it stop? Document tours? Are you going to lock them up? Comedians, if it's a joke or whatever you want to lock them up, like, where does it stop? At podcasts. We up here talking all the time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're not deep detail.

[Mona]

Yeah. We're not detailing. But so what? So what?

[Joe Button]

Here come the street apologists. Here come the street apologists. Now what are we. What street what? What street principles are we defending right now that we should be able to murder?

[Mona]

That has nothing to do. I'm talking about the law. I'm talking about how do you have a chance to win if we have this group of jurors that don't know shit about music. I don't know about where this person comes from. I just don't see how that's a fair outcome. How I'm grossed out by the fact that you're talking about murder, period. I'm talking like, that's gross. Why are you talking like that? I don't see how you get a fair outcome after that. And then how do you pick the jurors that understand the culture? Understand. It's just, it doesn't make any sense. You don't have to be a street nothing for that it's just. It doesn't. It's already set up for certain people to lose anyway. I just think this furthers it. It just not. It's not fair in my opinion. Like, especially if at the end of the day, if you really got a case, you ain't got to listen to lyrics. If you have a real solid case. You don't need lyrics to close the deal. You don't. If you have a real case, period. From the. That I've seen they got on him with this murder. Going to go buy them chains. Them all run out that house and all that day. If they have a real case, you got a real case. We don't need a mixtape for it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Want anything.

[Mona]

Come on now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I get what you're saying.

[Ish]

But if a mixtape is a deal breaker, you probably ain't got a good case, period. Yeah.

[Mona]

And it's not. From what I've seen. They. He's either way. So I don't even know what the big fight is about the. The lyrics. He is. If you're talking about booking the planes for these on your own card, like, he made a lot of, like, huge. You know what I mean? Like, huge fumbles.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not the case.

[Joe Button]

I mean, we say that on podcast and then that lawyer Drew go read that and be like, oh, it's different. Piece of cake.

[Mona]

Yeah,

[Joe Button]

it's. Drew is one more of them. It's a few of them that's just having their way with the states out there.

[Mona]

Yeah. I just saw an interview when I think it was Drew. And the person said was talking about the conviction rate with the feds because it's like 97. He was like, not us.

[Joe Button]

Not with me.

[Mona]

Damn.

[Joe Button]

Talk about. Talk about her flex.

[Mona]

Talk heavy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give me some more your dollars. Come on over here.

[Joe Button]

I got a great.

[Mona]

Great.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You can have all them nigga dollars

[Ish]

if I go home. Nigga, you ain't lying about to say, yeah. What you talking about? Let me catch a case.

[Mona]

Yeah. I don't. As a Dirk fan, please don't. Super disappointed.

[Ish]

I'll do my best.

[Mona]

Stupid. Especially after he caught that case with Von and it was like, supposed to be over. Then in some kind of way, he weaseled his way out of that. I just don't get how you get to this point and you're that fucking stupid. It's dumb.

[Joe Button]

Bring back the good old days where you wanted to be a rapper to escape these things.

[Keith]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Not double and triple down.

[Mona]

Yeah. And they're the originators of that I know y' all saying the Star Spangled Banner and all that, but Chicago was the originator for like just blatantly just being crazy with it. You know what I mean? So I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they talked about a lot and I'm a fan of the music, so I know.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Y' all looking for me to say something spectacular?

[Ish]

I think you could tell us your

[Joe Button]

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[Keith]

Oh boy.

[Joe Button]

The Joan Ish picks of the week this week is they are are Jalen Wells for more than 23 points, rebounds and assists, James Harden for more than four rebounds, Tyler Hero for more than 20 points in rebounds, and Kawhi Leonard for more than six rebounds. Again, if you download the app right this very second and use promo code JBP, you get $50 instantly when you play your first $5 lineup. Only on prize picks where it's good to be. Right?

[Keith]

Ish.

[Ish]

Nice.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what's up.

[Ish]

Have you been. Have you been getting a lot of feedback from the fans all over on our sub sub groups and stuff? They've been saying like ish hits pick

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ish picks hit my dad really be over there.

[Ish]

Okay. You might be. You might be up for podcaster of the month twice in a row because of your these picks. Between your performance and these picks, man, I think you might be wearing that chain another 30 days.

[Mona]

Got you the chain. All that chain after. After. Crazy.

[Ish]

I know. They did the same thing to me, Mona.

[Mona]

It's. It's what it is. I don't even care about that.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's so funny though.

[Mona]

You should have gave us chains. Me and Mark would have wore that.

[Ish]

Yep. Or sold him. I would have sold it. But yeah.

[Joe Button]

Damn, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn.

[Mona]

Never going to be beat them allegations.

[Joe Button]

I can see Ish winning again.

[Ish]

I think you might.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The world don't know he a who.

[Mona]

Yeah, they don't the masses don't know even after the chicken came out. It's crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They slept that right under the chicken. That should have told you. I walked in this morning. He was stashing.

[Ish]

That's different. That's Ramadan stashing. That's stashing. So that when sunset hits I have food available. Yeah, exactly. I'm not I paid for it.

[Mona]

I'm just putting it away time. That was just regular stealing.

[Ish]

It's like that scamming conversation.

[Joe Button]

Hilarious show.

[Ish]

But yeah. I see is winning. I think he's going to get this one this month again.

[Joe Button]

I I, I could see it. Yeah. The only. I could only see one thing holding him back.

[Ish]

Talking.

[Mona]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

Having something to say.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh wow.

[Ish]

This is terrible.

[Joe Button]

I mean I had some free time. I'm let. I'm going to let it go

[Ish]

eventually. But not but in your free time

[Mona]

system is because he shouldn't be allowed to be part of the month ever. And it should come with cash prizes. Why would you, why would you strive to get it if you're not getting no money? She was like hey, I'm doing a bit. I'm doing. I couldn't tell.

[Joe Button]

I know I'm slow walking it cuz he'll get an attitude if I do it fast.

[Mona]

Sweet.

[Joe Button]

All right. I only see one thing holding him back. Take two. Take two.

[Ish]

Oh my Lord.

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Ish]

Somebody asked me what you see holding it back.

[Joe Button]

Joe, listen, I. I had some free time and I, I did look up child prodigy. Oh,

[Ish]

I know this is where you were going. I never allowed this.

[Joe Button]

I looked the snuck up.

[Ish]

So.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I don't know now. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well what is it? What is the definition?

[Joe Button]

Well

[Ish]

really just happen to have that here?

[Joe Button]

I don't but Ice is a dick too because you being a dick. All right. I got it for you. I'll be right here and then we can find something.

[Mona]

You go somewhere else after the definition. I have a question.

[Keith]

You can ask a question while he looks.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

With child prodigies when they grow that what, what is next?

[Keith]

Is it automatic teenage prodigy.

[Mona]

Okay. And then adult prodigy.

[Keith]

Yeah, I think that's the order operation

[Ish]

makes them put you out of prodigy. You just dope, right?

[Keith]

Oh, that's true.

[Ish]

Like Stevie Wonder was a child prodigy. Prodigy. Now he's just legend. Now he's a Stevie one.

[Joe Button]

Prodigy is defined as a person under the age of 10 who produces meaningful expert level work in a specific domain such as music, mathematics or art. Often possessing high intelligence and intense rage to master their craft and exceptional memory. These Rare individuals.

[Ish]

He's got a good memory.

[Joe Button]

Estimated at 1.5 to 10 million. Often cluster in rules. In rules based fields. Okay. The end.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Ish]

What's your point, Joe?

[Mona]

You had to be 10 and under

[Joe Button]

so it was bright. And is bright.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mona]

He's a goddamn genius.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Child prodigies is not for sports too? Because that's not the sport thing.

[Keith]

It might be.

[Joe Button]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Yeah, it could be.

[Mona]

I need to know. What?

[Ish]

What like LeBron James was a child prodigy?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's people that play chess and they were prod.

[Mona]

Right. Cuz they say a rule based rule ship sports right with you is what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Math?

[Mona]

Mathematics. Okay. See I just trace some basketball.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, it's cool though.

[Ish]

That's racist.

[Mona]

My bad.

[Ish]

He's not even dark enough. Dark?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're a fool, bro.

[Ish]

So you were mathematics prodigy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can we get this off?

[Ish]

She asked what your area was. I just. I want.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm cool.

[Ish]

Yeah, he's a mathematics project.

[Mona]

Okay. Ain't nobody taking that from my boy. Pull some algebra out. Watch what this do to it.

[Joe Button]

He's dribbling down.

[Mona]

You think he gonna back pound?

[Joe Button]

I thought I was gonna come in and read the definition. He be like, all right.

[Keith]

Do you know is.

[Mona]

Do you know?

[Joe Button]

I thought he would.

[Mona]

Have you met him?

[Joe Button]

Cuz I didn't know what it meant.

[Ish]

Clearly. Let me settle.

[Joe Button]

Well, you stick to it. Even when they say the 5 to 30 million people think yes. That don't do nothing for you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He could have been one of the.

[Joe Button]

That's my final question and I'm done. I promise. I swear. I got. I swear to God I'm done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why do people put their own on somebody else?

[Keith]

Take.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying. So just because somebody else wasn't great or. You don't know that many great people. That don't mean that somebody that you know or you came could be great. Just because you may not recognize their greatness.

[Mona]

Just because you was always in detention. Bum.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I was in detention too.

[Ish]

But he was developing mathematical. Pythagoras.

[Keith]

They call him pedagogy.

[Ish]

That was his first street name. Exactly. They don't know what that is.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See what I'm saying?

[Keith]

It's all right.

[Mona]

I don't know where to put that. I was an mg. Ish. I was an MG

[Ish]

Mentally gifted. It's a place where the mentally gifted

[Mona]

kids go I scored high.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They call it gt GT Gifting and talented.

[Mona]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ish]

Using that prodigy, yo.

[Joe Button]

Prodigies are why we can't ask this regular question. Can't I'm learning listening to y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Ish]

Yeah, you lucky.

[Mona]

This speak to y' all like freely.

[Ish]

You might have behavior issues and stuff.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know. You still. I was. I did.

[Ish]

Oh, but you was in. Okay.

[Mona]

Damn. We gotta talk to the mom and them.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For what?

[Mona]

Lock that in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, boy.

[Mona]

Bro, we need a year for the fans out there.

[Ish]

Let me just settle this matter so that y' all don't with Ish every week. It was he.

[Joe Button]

He settle it.

[Ish]

Mark is a mental. Was a mentally gifted student. The world changed. He didn't mean child prodigy literally. He's gifted.

[Mona]

That's what the he did.

[Ish]

So instead of picking on the word prodigy, just focus. The fact that he was saying that he was a very talented, gifted young man who got shot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he was a child prodigy.

[Mona]

Get all that. That this here with the green eyes was a child prodigy.

[Joe Button]

If he wasn't, I think he's the

[Mona]

only one in the whole state of New Jersey according to those numbers. Straight up. The only child prodigy. Raji. In New Jersey.

[Ish]

In math.

[Mona]

In math.

[Joe Button]

Who else puts things to bed like us?

[Ish]

We.

[Joe Button]

We did that one. Come on. Listen. The league got together to discuss new ways to not incentivize losing. The tanking matter is getting out of hand. Even though they find two teams the other week. 800 grand. 500 grand.

[Ish]

Did they?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they did. The billionaires don't give a fuck.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So they did. They. They did have a meeting to discuss ways to fix that. And I thought some of them were pretty interesting.

[Ish]

And to be clear, Adam Silver told the league there will be a change next year. While they haven't worked out the rules, he says something's going to happen. He told all 30 of the GMs something going to happen next year.

[Joe Button]

Good.

[Ish]

And these were some of the ones they. They considered. First round picks can be protected. Only top four or top four. That's a big one.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Ish]

Right. Lottery. And that's probably the most likely one to me. Lottery odds freeze at the trade deadline or a later date.

[Joe Button]

That's gonna happen.

[Ish]

That's definitely gonna happen.

[Joe Button]

I think the next few. The first half of these, I can see 100% happening. Yeah, the lottery odds freeze at the trade deadline.

[Ish]

I don't love that. And I'll tell you, I think it's gonna happen, but I don't love it. Because sometimes you really do get a catastrophic injury. I mean, as a Philadelphian who knows tanking, but also no injury. If Joel Embiid slips on a banana peel in February, which he Will, you know what I mean? A lot of years and then suddenly I go from being in second place to being in 12th place. To me, that's not tanking like that Shit happens. That's the only thing you can get bad luck in the second half of the season.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or we've seen teams do the exact opposite where the beginning of the season they playing like shit and then they just go on this 30 and three streak. Post.

[Ish]

Oh, that would be interesting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Post All Star game. Now what. What do we do?

[Ish]

Right. But you still. If you make the playoffs, you still don't get it, don't matter. Right. But if you miss it by one game, well, that goes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What if they cap it right at All Star? Right.

[Ish]

Your lottery odds. But if you don't make. But if you make the playoffs, you don't. The lottery odds are moot. But where it gets interesting is they also are considering adding play in the play in teams. So if you lose, the play in. That also gets added in.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Ish]

The lottery odds are extended to the play in teams. Okay, but what else? No longer allowing a team to pick top four in consecutive years.

[Joe Button]

These are the. This is the set that I love talking about.

[Ish]

I love this whole set. That's that Philly and. Or off and. Or after consecutive bottom three finishes.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Ish]

Say the next one. Yeah. And then the next one. So. But just for that, clear. That one. Yeah. I mean, that's. It's good. Except. I don't know. I'm thinking about Golden State, the year where they got. They got Steph, they got Clay, and they got Draymond. Right? No, Steph, Clay and. Who's the third? There was another. My point is they. They built the team honestly. They just weren't ready to win yet until they got three lottery. But they weren't tanking. They just weren't ready to win yet. That's the only thing I don't like. As opposed to the Sixers, who were kind of losing on purpose. Teams can't pick top four the year after making conference finals.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, wow. That's a super interesting one. I love that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't like that one. I don't like it either.

[Ish]

You said you don't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't like it because what happens is, is teams are out here making deals. Right. So I might Trade Parks in 2022 and I might get a first rounder in 2027.

[Ish]

We didn't.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We weren't that when we traded for that first rounder in 2022. We wasn't exactly. But now we might go kick up. Now you're going to penalize us for being good and take away our first round pick. I don't think that's fair.

[Joe Button]

No, not take away your first round pick.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean top four.

[Joe Button]

You can't get a top four pick and any team that makes the conference for final typically wouldn't get a top four pick. However, we have to bar against some of this that the Mavs did. The Mavs went to the finals and then the very next year.

[Ish]

But.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But look, that's not based on lottery. That's based on trades that we made.

[Ish]

I'm not sure there's rules for the trade situation you're talking five years ago.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you get what I'm saying.

[Ish]

I get what you're saying.

[Joe Button]

But the Mavs made the finals and then got high lot. They got lottery picks the next year.

[Ish]

Y' all talking about. I think the situation you're talking about is like Boston when they kept winning but we gave a terrible trade for Markelle Fultz and they had our lottery pick even though they were winning. I don't think this rule is for we have a pick that we got from a trade later on. I think it's saying if you're in the conference finals, you can't lose your way into a top four pick the next year.

[Joe Button]

Well, I think they are saying that. Which is where the top four protected rule will come in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, would you even be able to. If you win a conference final, you can't lose your way into the cause.

[Ish]

You don't get one of the lottery rules.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Ish]

The following year. Year.

[Joe Button]

Following year, guys.

[Ish]

The following. So like this year I make the conference finals.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Next year you take.

[Ish]

This is the situation they're working about teams that get right up to the limit and they know they're not good enough to ever win a championship. They got veteran players. They're older. We're not going to win a championship. So it's like it. Let's rebuild.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ish]

They're trying to stop that team rest

[Joe Button]

are aging players that might help us win, I. E. Exactly what Washington is doing right now.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Joe Button]

If they were able to win and get. If. If winning were a part of. Of this process, Trey Young will be on the floor and he's going to do something about trading for injured players to affect your cap and affect who's able to play. And now teams are actively trading for injured players to sit them down so they can tank. They doing a lot. There's a lot going on.

[Ish]

It's a lot. Even Kyrie. Kyrie can probably play the last 10 games of this year, 20 games. But that's not going to help Dallas's situation. So they're like, we're just going to come back next year. So again, the top. The conference thing bothers me again because you could have a catastrophic injury on. On a. Things can happen. But I get the logic of it because teams are really exploiting this shit Lottery odds allocated based on two year records.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's better.

[Ish]

Unless you've been tanking.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I was just getting ready to say now you still tank.

[Ish]

If you look at the Sixers example,

[Mark Lamont Hill]

you tank for longer than two years y' all was getting every year. Yo, y' all had a good run of like five years of just getting top three picks and not doing shit with.

[Joe Button]

Still blowing.

[Ish]

Well, I wouldn't say not doing shit with him. Fuck y'.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Ish]

But I get your point.

[Joe Button]

But your points was still blew them.

[Ish]

And B was a pretty good pick one.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, keep going. Who else?

[Ish]

We had three top. We had three faults.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ben Simmons.

[Ish]

They were all in a row.

[Joe Button]

But I get your point. The Sixers.

[Ish]

I'm just saying not to make it about the Sixers. I'm saying the point is teams. It wasn't just about who they're picking. It's about teams like drafting injured guys. It's about not having any veterans on the team. It's about creating a culture of losing. To me, the Sixers problem wasn't so much the tanking, it was all the other things attached to it that just made it really bad. And that's why he. Sam Hinkey, was eventually let go, among other reasons. Well, he quit, but among other reasons he was pushed out was because the league doesn't want to create a culture of losing. And it's not good for young players to be in situations where they're not around anybody who's even trying to win. Because as some of the veteran players will tell you, like five, six years in, if you don't know how to win, if you never worked to win, it's hard to just become a winner. Even if you have the talent lottery extended to include all playing teams. We said and then flatten the odds for all lottery teams. That's an interesting one. Flatten the odds. So that means It'd be like pre1985, pre Patrick Ewing. Was that 85? It was after the Patrick Ewing drafted, they added the lottery. So the idea would be that whether you had the worst Record or.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but then it was another year where the Knicks had the worst record with. That was the first year they implemented the new system of.

[Ish]

All right.

[Joe Button]

It doesn't just go to the most losing team. It's like the Knicks be getting fucked on so many different.

[Ish]

Yeah, but I like the idea of flattening it. Cause then it's like, again, you want to try to win because no one wants to necessarily lose out on purpose to get the 14th pick in the draft. But if you knew you had a shot at the number one, you will.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And so why don't they help me out? Because I don't follow the draft like that. Why not? Just the teams that don't make the playoffs, y' all go into a. What's the little rolling ball shit and you pick out? They do. But what happens is, if you are the worst team, you have more balls than you get way more balls.

[Ish]

You're saying, why is it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying, yeah, why that? Why.

[Ish]

Why not one ball per team to make it? Because if you make it, makes it unfair. You know, if I'm 0 and 82 and you're 41 and 41 and you miss the playoffs by half a game in the west, now you get the first pick, and then you get the first pick, the rich get richer. I mean, that wasn't guaranteed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's just. But you try to create a level of parity in the league to make the league competitive. So if you just missed the playoffs and I'm ass, and I still go to be assed, and now you get the first play of the driver draft, the. The teams that ain't, they still ain't. I get it.

[Ish]

And the reason for it, Ice, was because. God damn.

[Joe Button]

God damn. What the is going on?

[Ish]

I hate this guy.

[Mona]

The first time I heard it, and it wasn't for me, so that was enjoyable.

[Ish]

The Knicks get stomped out again. I saw you at the the game.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why they got stuck.

[Ish]

I'm not making a correlation. That's the right word, right? Mathematically, that's what they say when he comes.

[Mona]

They lose, right?

[Ish]

Yeah. But I just know that when Joe goes to the game, they lose the Knicks. Knicks victories seem to be lower. When Pop goes to the game, Joe's father's here. They have an extraordinary record.

[Mona]

That's wild.

[Ish]

And last night I saw on Instagram that you were at the game, and I was thinking, the Knicks should win this game. This is a winnable game for the Knicks.

[Joe Button]

Who is favorite to win it?

[Ish]

Y' all were Favorite there were ever

[Joe Button]

a game where I had to put my poker chips to the center of the table. It would have been that one.

[Ish]

Yeah. And then you sat down in your seats and what happened?

[Joe Button]

And we lost.

[Mona]

You would think a real lover of the Knicks.

[Joe Button]

Not just. Not just a loss. We got blown out again.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wasn't any close.

[Mona]

If you toughed, if you love the team, you would think you wouldn't go. You wouldn't sacrifice your team for date night. That's what it said. Hashtag, date night.

[Joe Button]

When did it say, Say that? I didn't see that.

[Mona]

I seen it.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my baby must put that. I love you, baby.

[Ish]

Love you, baby.

[Mona]

Love you too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, they lost. They. They. They lost. All the Pistons fans are talking they. And they bad. Listen, we might be. We may be in the middle of Cade's MVP season just by way of he's earning that, but also by way of default, because nobody else will be eligible for that mvp.

[Keith]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Joker. Not sga. No, Wimy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Not enough games.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, not enough games, per the new rules. So if I have to vote for what's left, it looks like Kawhi versus Cade. And they both killing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They both killing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they both killing. Yeah. He dropped 40. Whatever points on our head top last night. I still don't think Detroit.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The rebounds.

[Joe Button]

I still don't think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did a lot. I still don't think Detroit is scary, but, dawg, last year we never beat Boston. The whole regular season. Beat him in the playoffs. We never beat. It was another team. We never beat all last year. So I'm not gonna make too much of this, but it was depressing. It was depressing. I was ready to leave with 10 minutes left in the quarter, but then my driver parked wherever the fuck he parked at. Now I had to sit in this block blowout. I'm like, yo, we ready? He like, I'm gonna need 15 minutes. I'm like, it's six minutes left in a blowout, dog. Get here, please. Jesus. And in other basketball news, I gotta. I gotta give LaMelo Ball the award for the coolest car accident I ever saw in my life. What a way to ram an innocent driver off the road, yo. Nah, he. He did that so smooth in that camouflage Lego looking Hummer. And then had the Hornets people pull up, talk to the cops, pull up the Uris. I'm gonna hop into Uris and drive away while y' all handle that. You got to give this young guy all the credit in the world for being smooth and reckless, enriched because they showed. They showed all the camera.

[Keith]

Yeah. It was a bad driving.

[Joe Button]

It was.

[Keith]

It was you driving.

[Joe Button]

It was you. You might have been. He might have been getting his dick sucked. He might have been texting.

[Ish]

I used to debate what was happening in that car.

[Joe Button]

He was doing something in that car.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was distracting.

[Joe Button]

What else you could do in Charlotte but get your dick sucked while you're driving? And that's where they do it with the ease too. For real. In Charlotte with the E's head. The heady monsters come out. What?

[Ish]

Starting NBA point.

[Joe Button]

He thought about moving to fucking Charlotte.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Charlotte.

[Joe Button]

Are you shitting me off the humbug got him. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't got to tell me.

[Ish]

Just glad everybody's safe.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Indeed. Exactly.

[Joe Button]

And faithful. And faithful.

[Ish]

I'm sure it was golden Mellow ball.

[Joe Button]

Way to do it. If I'd have been the other dude, I'd have been pissed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Joe Button]

That's why you got to keep it. That's why you got to keep a bat in the car for times like that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe. You seen who it was when you seen the Hornets pull up.

[Joe Button]

We good.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We gravy.

[Joe Button]

We good. Oh. Actually my neck hurts and my back hurts. Facts once. Yeah.

[Keith]

I'm at the hospital and I'm traumatized

[Joe Button]

and I can never go back to work again.

[Keith]

I can't drive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm walking with a limp. The only way to fix that is to pad one side with some spanky.

[Joe Button]

It's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Talking about. Nigga. I'm good.

[Joe Button]

That's why we took care of you after your basketball injury. Man. Good folks over at JBP Insurance. Anyway.

[Mona]

Look at his face. He didn't get an ice pack. He's so confused.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, speaking of walking with a limp, there's a few things that I do have to walk back from. The Left Part 1. The Sexual Assault and sexual abuse victim from the Tyra Banks America's Next Top Model. Doc.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Uh huh.

[Joe Button]

We gotta walk it all back.

[Ish]

Why?

[Keith]

What happened?

[Joe Button]

I've been watching America's Next Top Model all week. I've been. I've been watching the interviews from that time.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

This girl wanted it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't want to say nothing. I didn't want to be that guy. Because they'll rag you in the comments.

[Joe Button]

Now I understand why. See. And that's why women are tricky. That's why she never used those words.

[Keith]

Oh okay.

[Joe Button]

Because she was very clear on camera saying, oh, we got these dudes coming over. I'm fucking one of them. I got a boyfriend before. She was drinking. Yeah. I got a boyfriend, but I don't care. She said, I drunk two bottles of wine. I'm fucking ready. And then she did a few interviews where she was talking about it around that time. And she said, yeah, I got laid. Smashed some, now wanted some and I got some.

[Ish]

Oh, oh. Has she later said something different, or is this just. The documentary's making it sound like she's saying something different.

[Joe Button]

The documentary presents her, and there's a few other girls from there that they have under investigation.

[Keith]

Now Tyra sliding back.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if it's Tyra, the producers, somebody. Somebody swinging.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I would if this is what happened. You damn right. I was quiet like a church mouse because I don't want the beef.

[Joe Button]

But you knew that because you didn't see it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I thought you didn't see it, but I heard all. I ain't see it, but the people told me, like, mad people.

[Ish]

You regular niggas got to see to know it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, people tell me about, you know, that's not my bag. But my friends watch all of that shit. And they were saying it like, yo, dog, she was. She wasn't coerced. It was consensual. The way that they said it, it was like. It was consensual, but I didn't want

[Joe Button]

to get up here.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And then, you know, in this climate,

[Ish]

we looked at victim blame.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I think it's important to say that. It's one thing to be like, I'm not disagreeing with you, your decision, but I think it's one thing if we just say she wanted it. Cause that sounds like we're saying, like.

[Keith]

Sounds caveman.

[Ish]

That sounds very awful and disgusting. But if we say there's evidence of her prior to being inebriated, saying, I'm about to drink and. And have sex with somebody, I think that's a reasonable thing to introduce to the conversation. I wanna hear all the facts. But that doesn't sound.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I get what you're saying, but we are in a climate of believe the victim. You say anything else, you part of the problem.

[Ish]

But what I'm saying is it doesn't sound like. And I didn't watch it yet. She didn't actually say anything different. It sounds like the documentary is making her sound like she's saying something different.

[Keith]

Yeah, they just painted it in certain things.

[Ish]

This isn't about believing the victim or not. It's about the documentary.

[Joe Button]

No, but I mean, they had heard. They had heard. Had her on there as well. Painting the picture of.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Of sa and Then y' all promoted my SA and made me call my

[Ish]

man for cheating all the ghosties.

[Mona]

What do you guys think about inviting

[Ish]

them over for dinner and like, drinks?

[Mona]

We were like, duh, this is her.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Mona]

Yes. Especially cuz, like, the guy that rode,

[Ish]

that drove me around was so hot and we had such a great connection,

[Mona]

but he didn't end up showing up.

[Ish]

It was like the other guys. So I was a little disappointed at first.

[Joe Button]

Very different, Tom.

[Ish]

Because it was also like, oh, testosterone that like people like dudes that we can. And they're all super. All meal college. So just imagine my struggle.

[Mona]

Yeah. And they were so nice. So, you know, I don't think I ate that night.

[Joe Button]

And then I think I had two

[Mona]

bottles of wine by myself.

[Ish]

And then somebody's like, oh, whoa, the hot tub works. What are you talking about?

[Mona]

And then they were like, oh, let's get in.

[Ish]

And so. And then I see like, Mercedes and we had.

[Joe Button]

And you know what's crazy is we,

[Ish]

me, April, Mercedes had this conversation before

[Joe Button]

we got in of like, let's behave ourselves else. So this is up.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Like, I looked at this dude and he looked at me and he just like, grabbed me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And I was like, let's do this.

[Ish]

And then April's like, I gotta go.

[Mona]

I have a boyfriend.

[Ish]

Bye. Which is what I showed.

[Keith]

See, this is very different then.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. So one of the home girls left because she had a boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She even said what I should have did. I said dead.

[Joe Button]

Bye.

[Mona]

I was.

[Keith]

I was still.

[Joe Button]

There's more to this, but I don't need to play.

[Keith]

I was still on the side of maybe we weren't wrong until the end when she's like, yes, let's do this. That's clearly.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's it.

[Keith]

Yeah. Cuz just thinking a dude is hot or whatever does not mean that you were consent ice.

[Joe Button]

We gotta believe all victims one. But I've also had a hot tub before.

[Keith]

I've had. I've been in some hot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Button]

That I can tell you when a hot tub is around, it kind of go like she was describ o. There's a hot tub. It work.

[Mona]

Sex sucks.

[Joe Button]

Oh, can you. You got a t shirt sucks. You got a little something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What you say?

[Mona]

Hot tub sex sucks. Personal.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but hot tub as a precursor

[Mark Lamont Hill]

to sex don't suck either.

[Joe Button]

It do get you a little. What you say? What you say? Freeze.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I just. I just disagreed with her, that's all.

[Mona]

Yeah. Hot tub sex. I mean, probably for a male.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not a fan of it.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I've never done it. What makes it up?

[Keith]

Sex and water

[Mark Lamont Hill]

shower. Yeah. Hot tub.

[Mona]

You already know. You know I'm like a smaller dick girl. It's already. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

You in the hot tub a lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The one. Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm so glad what you did first.

[Keith]

I think he's saying he in your hot tub a lot.

[Joe Button]

That is what he's saying. That is exactly what he's saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, was.

[Joe Button]

Listen, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wasn't clean nothing.

[Joe Button]

Just jumped right in there the next day.

[Mona]

That up.

[Ish]

I was about to say when. So when you f. Somebody's hot tub is the rule like drain it. The hot tub.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Keith]

What he

[Ish]

withdraw Your honor

[Joe Button]

was wild.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, drain it.

[Keith]

Yeah, some drain happening there for sure.

[Joe Button]

Train the tub.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, is y' all talking about, man? Bro was nasty.

[Mona]

Hell no. I don't know when the documentaries and stuff.

[Joe Button]

That must have been a nice hot tub. That must have been the. With the 12 jets. That must have been the. With the staircase hot tub.

[Mona]

Right?

[Joe Button]

That must have been Hot tub premium plus. No, you got to see this. I'm telling you, baby. No. Come on, yo. When y' all do this, it make me seem like a horrible guy.

[Ish]

Horrible guy.

[Joe Button]

Oh, God. What do you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You want us to shield it?

[Joe Button]

No, be horrible. Get better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't.

[Joe Button]

Mona, you was in the hot tub lot.

[Mona]

No, not a lot, but I have. It's just ass or the blow up.

[Keith]

The blow up hot tub.

[Joe Button]

That wasn't.

[Mona]

I've never seen one.

[Joe Button]

Y' all just boiled some water. You in the. In the tub full of boiling water before. Okay. Now it seems like I'm all.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Keith]

I'm done.

[Joe Button]

I'm finished.

[Ish]

Crazy.

[Keith]

Well, I'm glad you cleaned clarified that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Is there any other Tyrone doc fallout?

[Ish]

I need to watch this thing.

[Mona]

Watch the documentary. It's always in the eyes of the documentor. I'm a big fan of documentaries. Whatever they trying to convey, that's what they convey, period.

[Keith]

And again, like I said, REM has been telling me that Tick Tock has been on this train, that everything was horrible over there for a while. So they probably saw that trend. It was like, oh, we could paint this doc real, real quick and easy.

[Mona]

It's been like a. Like a thing on TikTok Tock for years.

[Joe Button]

Well, I mean, I'm not trying to take them off the hook. There were 97 bad things that happened

[Ish]

in the doc just cause.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Just one.

[Joe Button]

I'm walking back the sa.

[Keith]

You can't walk back to race swapping.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

At all. Because that explained why. Remember we came in and we were thrown off. Why their reaction to the story so early in the front.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Versus how they responded to some of the later drama. It was like something don't add up up here.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Maybe that's why they just looking at the horny white girl who wanted to smash the hot delivery driver. And your white girls, y' all get with. On God.

[Mona]

Oh, God.

[Joe Button]

White girls like they like one little thing on you. It's happening. Oh, my gosh. That sweatshirt from TJ Max, they be ready to go.

[Ish]

Are they still like that?

[Mona]

Ish.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I have no idea.

[Joe Button]

Well, you don't know now, but do you think?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think.

[Joe Button]

Are they still on go like that?

[Keith]

I think so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I think all of them.

[Keith]

I think so.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Shout out to white girls.

[Keith]

For sure.

[Joe Button]

The white girls. That's like escorty.

[Keith]

That would even call it the spicy mayonnaise.

[Joe Button]

Hey, that's always nice.

[Ish]

Anyway, any who's.

[Joe Button]

What else is important?

[Ish]

Yo, just real quick, just take 10 seconds. I know y' all weren't fans of this the Cat Williams doc. I mean, the Cat Williams special. Some of y', all, if you can get past the first 15 minutes of it, it actually turns into a very good comedy special.

[Keith]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

The first. The last half hour is as good as the first half is not good. Oh, yeah. That's all just. Cause I know a lot of people were saying they didn't get through it. No, I. Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, I was talking.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying. It actually gets very funny. And I was very upset and disappointed and then I kept going and it was great. That's all.

[Joe Button]

I want to watch the samore stand up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I watched that last time.

[Joe Button]

I absolutely love Some More.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I love her. I watched it last night and I

[Joe Button]

read something that said that she was catching heat over something. Yo, that's a good way to make me watch whatever you got going on. Like if I see a publication say you catching heat over it, I'm running right to it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Some more. Stand up was good for our age group. That's the best way I could put it. Some More is one of the funniest breathing you could tell. Tell. Like a lot of the jokes were old is for older crowd.

[Ish]

Were they funny some more?

[Joe Button]

Lucky I wasn't frequenting these comedy shows. Back. Back in the back. I tell you. I tell you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You see it.

[Joe Button]

I hate to always come off like I'm horny, cuz I'm not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe Button]

Today, today, right now.

[Ish]

I haven't seen it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's. She still got.

[Joe Button]

Well, if we'd. Cher, we'd some more, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Night and day.

[Joe Button]

Well, well, yeah, Literally, that's how this guy's great.

[Ish]

Day and night. But there we go.

[Joe Button]

But I do want to watch it. They said it says she was catching heat because there was a. There was a murder at a dollar store in the town. And she did the stand up and. And in her stand up, she was like, if I ever get killed and it's in the dollar store, just lie and say that she was at cbs.

[Ish]

That's good.

[Joe Button]

I think that's funny.

[Ish]

It's a good joke.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It is a good joke, but I can see why somebody.

[Ish]

Nah, see, I could see why.

[Joe Button]

And this is why Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr and them lock your phone up when you come to the show. This is the one place I should be able to be insensitive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I like my comedy.

[Joe Button]

Insensitive. I'm sorry. Same.

[Ish]

Obviously, same. Yeah, Like, I'm good. I mean, there's lines, but that ain't nowhere near the line.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I understand, though. I could understand the people of that town and I could understand somebody feeling a way about that, especially if it just happens. If it just happens at a time. I'm just saying I get it. I might not have felt that way.

[Ish]

How fresh are we talking?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If it was a week, like, was

[Ish]

the tape still up?

[Mona]

I'm just saying, like a lot of

[Ish]

people, if not, then I'm good with it.

[Mona]

You get in the city and you ask what's going on? Or you say, where the ghetto at? Because you want to throw a Jack incorporate. You know what I mean? Everybody, every show, I think I say the same thing, like, what, where you from? Or whatever. I'll pick your pocketbooks up because they ain't here that side of town or whatever. But I don't know. Me personally, I enjoy that kind of. That's why I was a big fan of Paul Mooney, because I heard that people would walk out during the sets. That's what made me even interested in him. So I don't know. But as far as people filming, every time I start, I actually would not film in every show. Somebody got the light. People not even smart enough to turn the light off. They just film you. They don't care.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't care.

[Ish]

Are you going to start doing the baggies when you.

[Mona]

I'm not there yet, but I mean, when you.

[Ish]

When you can.

[Mona]

Is that something you would do? For sure. I mean, this is the thing about it, though, for real. You're going to like it more if I don't feel like I'm taped. Like, I'm telling you, if I can get busy up here, we going to have fun. Like, me being tape had to watch my mouth, period. I don't have to watch my mouth if y' all not taping me. So y' all want to have fun or not? I. I pitch it just like that. And most of the time, people still film it. They still do. And I legit turn light on, bitch. Then I embarrass people every show because it's stupid.

[Joe Button]

Good for you.

[Mona]

At least you can do is cut the light off and be sneaky. Do you kick them out if second or third time? Yeah, yeah. Because I know this is the thing about comedy. You want them saucy. You want them to laugh. They saucy so they're not listening. So, like, be real. You know what I mean? Like, we, like, people don't listen.

[Keith]

And they might not necessarily be filming, like, the entirety of a joke. They might just be on some. I'm here watching Mona.

[Mona]

You know what I think, though? I think that it's more like my bestie couldn't come. I'm gonna film the set for my friend.

[Ish]

Filming this set is crazy.

[Keith]

Yeah, yeah. Whole set is nasty.

[Ish]

Also, I don't want to be sitting there like the cameraman for the whole show.

[Mona]

I have people. Me do a show and people on FaceTime with somebody the whole time. By the time they get to the me, she's right here. When I first started that, what happened?

[Keith]

I'm not gonna lie. I've been to a concert where someone was on FaceTime.

[Mona]

Yeah, concerts all the time. People do it. It's, like, annoying. Yeah. It's weird.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Mona]

So I don't know. Even when I find myself at events doing this too long, I put it in my pocket because I. Cause it's like, if you doing this, you're trying to catch the view for your camera. You're not enjoying. You're not in the moment. Fuck them videos and have fun. You know what I mean?

[Ish]

That's my least favorite thing about shows now is it feels like so many people are not in the moment. Everybody's, like, making content. The great thing about that New Edition show we was at was that. Cause I guess it's our generation, there weren't a lot of phones out. I was struck by how many phones

[Mona]

were not out of old niggas. Phones is dead.

[Ish]

Yeah. Popping that flip phone over.

[Mona]

Crazy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Them motherfuckers get the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Everybody I know went to that show when. The New Edition show, and everybody had their phones out. That's the only way, you know, because everybody now is doing it for the Gram.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is going on vacation for the Gram. Not for relaxation.

[Ish]

They just doing restaurants. All that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All that.

[Mona]

And that's why every time you have a night and you don't get no pictures, you know, you had a boy,

[Mark Lamont Hill]

that was the night.

[Mona]

If your outfit good, you a little irritated, you can get a picture. But for the most part, it's like, yeah, I had fun. I didn't get no pictures on my birthday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Indeed.

[Ish]

You ain't getting no pictures on your birthday.

[Mona]

No, no. I had to grab them from other people's videos.

[Joe Button]

I was looking for this comedian. I might go see her show next month in the city in March.

[Mona]

Are you gonna go see another woman comic? It's funny. You sit with a woman comic all the time. Shows all the time.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't this one right here, though. Wow. You know, it's my son.

[Joe Button]

I think she's funny.

[Mona]

So you got a foopa, my son. Yo, ain't that something?

[Keith]

Oh, she a little fine and funny.

[Joe Button]

Wow. I just think she's funny. Ah.

[Keith]

Okay. That's all.

[Joe Button]

And I've been watching the people that I think are. Are fun when they hit the road. I check out the dates, see when they're going to be in New York. True.

[Mona]

It's great because you like to support people.

[Ish]

People.

[Mona]

It's amazing. Especially women, glamour, you know, like dating a wealthy man. But do you know how exhausting it

[Ish]

is constantly having to pretend that I don't want this money.

[Mona]

Every time we go out to dinner?

[Ish]

He's like, do you want still or sparkling water?

[Mona]

Tap. And I'm like, honey, tap water is fine. Okay.

[Ish]

Let me tell you something.

[Joe Button]

I grew up 20 minutes away from

[Ish]

Flint, Michigan, tap corners.

[Joe Button]

Got a few clips through the. Pretty funny. I'm going to check it out.

[Mona]

That was hilarious.

[Joe Button]

Crystal Marie is her name. She's somewhere in. In.

[Mona]

She's gorgeous. Nice rack.

[Ish]

Crystal Marie.

[Mona]

They can't see at home. She drink tits.

[Ish]

You.

[Joe Button]

You will.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I got you.

[Ish]

Thank you. I appreciate it. I love. I love comedy.

[Joe Button]

These are.

[Ish]

I am. No, I really. I really do love. I love you to go.

[Mona]

Yeah, both of y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Mona]

Both of y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mona]

And y'. All.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah, she is funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's funny. Funny, funny.

[Joe Button]

Hilarious.

[Mona]

They are the.

[Joe Button]

Y' all want to go. You want to go.

[Mona]

I'll never speak to y' all funny.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She is she's funny as hell.

[Mona]

What's your favorite joke?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This one. This one.

[Mona]

Knocker.

[Joe Button]

Stop. Knocker.

[Ish]

Just walk in the room.

[Keith]

You said knockers.

[Joe Button]

Knockers.

[Keith]

I haven't heard tits gold knockers since 1986.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my Lord.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, she in Jersey.

[Joe Button]

Holy.

[Mona]

He going to go see her. Joe already got his tickets next month. Wow.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Her stand up was caught. Call me Mommy.

[Ish]

It's called Call me Mommy. Oh, well, I mean, yeah. I mean, family guys.

[Joe Button]

Speaking of, call me mommy. Cause I'm sorry. Delayed reaction. When you was fucking in the hot tub, you was on top or she was on top. Who was doing the fucking?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She was on top.

[Joe Button]

Okay. All right. Every time or.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And somewhere else from the back.

[Joe Button]

So she was doing numbers. And you got to lay like a cat kingpin while she. So you don't really know how tough it is to be doing the. In a hot tub.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, if you on the back, you do. You still gotta.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I guess you're right. All right, that's it. I don't have no more of ice hot tub sex stories.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

The room be on pins and needles. Like I'm saying something important.

[Mona]

Shit getting weird.

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Ish]

We were being forced to imagine this scene.

[Joe Button]

Oh, sorry.

[Mona]

20 minutes later. So you put your finger.

[Ish]

Let ice live, man. What's new with Uncle Tenderism?

[Mona]

Yes. Yeah. Cause I knew that was gonna happen.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What happened?

[Joe Button]

Everybody knew that that was gonna happen. Except for Uncle Tendernism.

[Mona]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

And then when we tried to tell Uncle Tenderness that this is what was gonna happen, he showed out. He said, that's my man. This is my white brother. That's. That's exactly what he said.

[Mona]

Us a sick master get a cold and I to get a gold. He old, though.

[Joe Button]

That's what I'm saying. The older people with the good hearts and they just. They with who they with. And that's it. You can't tell them nothing about.

[Mona]

These people come from a different generation anyway. But I feel like no matter what, we will bend behind his old ass and we will help him out. But we all knew that was gonna happen. We did. We seen this set up, you know?

[Joe Button]

So Uncle Tenderness, which is the older black gentleman who popularized the destination smokehouse restaurant out there in Cali somewhere. And that's a white man that owns it, right? And that white man trademarked the term, the name tenderism, Tenderness, whatever it is. And people tried to tell homeboy, hey, he tried to trade. He tried to trademark this three different ways without including you. You might want to just be careful. And the older gentleman Was like, no, I'm getting paid. That's my man. It's fine. So now word on the street is that they've Split up. Old Mr. Tenderness is not working with the white man, even though the white man is still publishing videos on his page to make it look like they are. Of course, I have not fact checked this, but the older gentleman is saying, hey, y' all can follow me on here. Which is his own socials. And now he's calling himself the original Mr. Tenderism. And he might actually be using tenderism now instead of Tender Nism. But yeah, he's got people offering to open up restaurants for him out in Houston that he's negotiating currently. And he's showing us all this on his socials.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's good. Hopefully White boy Roy didn't get the recipe. Because once you got the recipe, it's a wrap.

[Keith]

That's not true. Not necessarily. You can give someone all the recipe in the world. They ain't got the sauce right.

[Mona]

Yeah. And it's selling. Is him. It's him. It's the fact that he's this older guy doing barbecue. So my word would be he just get himself in another bad deal. Cause he don't know what the fuck he's doing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Once. Once you scale anyway, the man not gonna be at every single restaurant every single night. True. So I had to teach somebody body how to do what I'm doing so that the flavor could be the same even when I'm there, when I'm not there.

[Ish]

That's a good point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So once I give the away to your sauce point.

[Mona]

But that's the thing though is they didn't go viral for the taste of the food. They were viral for the.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For the falling off the.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

And him.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Don't nobody know how that food taste but KE and. And Jordan.

[Mona]

Facts. And I don't even think. And I feel like situations like that, people go to their restaurant, they go take a picture with him. L alone any get no barbecue. It's him.

[Joe Button]

I ain't going to hold you. When Salt Bay had his run and was opening up restaurants told me that steak tasted like pure rubber donkey.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They said that steak was horrible.

[Joe Button]

Wasn't going.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They ain't giving.

[Joe Button]

Was going for the picture of the

[Mark Lamont Hill]

little sal with a briefcase and do all that extra they was doing and then do the little thing.

[Mona]

He started getting kinky. Start kissing in the mouth, throwing food in your.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your chick mouth.

[Mona]

He start getting kinky for you to watch me. I get to grab titty.

[Joe Button]

Great marketing to Push a bad product.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

True.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yep. A restaurant. Any of that? Yeah, in a heartbeat.

[Joe Button]

And to Mona, your point, I don't know that Mr. The original Mr. Tenderness is trying to get in a deal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if he trying to be a restaurant owner. Right. He could just be licensing or attempting to license his name and his popularity to somebody who has the money, is gonna open up the restaurant, get their own chefs and. And just bring a crowd like I don't know that he want to be bothered with the nuts and bolts of it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

George Foreman sold his name to them Foreman girls and went on about his business.

[Ish]

Then I think about people like Famous Amos who got screwed out of their name. And that's the stuff I be worried about. So you can't pass it on to your kids or whatever.

[Mona]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

That makes me Famous Amos. Bob Ross.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, Bob Ross got the original McDonald. McDonald's brothers. Yeah, everybody gets. Gets true. Yeah.

[Ish]

That's a good doc too, or. It's not a doc. It's a. It's a film on the McDonald's. On the McDonald's.

[Mona]

That is a good movie.

[Ish]

That's a really good movie. Yeah. And the whole situation breaks down everything that happened, how they. How he made his money, how he screwed the McDonald's brothers or whatever.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ray Crop.

[Joe Button]

Does anybody here have any advice for Mr. Tendonism? The original one, not the white guy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I think the advice for me, it varies depending on how he. How old he is and what's his financial situation already. Like if you're an older dude and somebody comes and says, yo, you 75 and I'm gonna give you 5 million, $10 million, you can live out the rest of your days in bliss and leave some money to your family. Dog, who the fuck want to be running around opening a restaurant doing all of that at that age? You don't necessarily want to do that. So if somebody comes along and. And you was broke for 75 years and they just say, yo, I'm give you 10 mil, give it here. Whatever you make is what you make. I could leave some money to my family that I wasn't going to be able to leave them prior to this meeting. Give it here now. If he financially get okay, then it's a different conversation. But I think it just depends on how old he is.

[Ish]

He doesn't look financially okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I know.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And where his. His financial standing is. I ain't want to just assume, but I think that matters.

[Joe Button]

Nor is somebody coming to give him 10 mil because his little cute name.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just giving. I'm just giving you an example. Show me how to make the steak

[Ish]

crazier things have happened.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, we could scale this shit. We could franchise this shit. Have one in la, have one in Vegas, have one in Houston, New York, Atlanta. Like, they can make money.

[Ish]

In all seriousness, I think somebody like you is the kind of person needs to be talking to them. Like somebody who knows business but also isn't trying to exploit them. You know what I mean? And it's not that many people out there that will take. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I think somebody. Whoever told him. Because apparently you said he is trying to trademark the name or his name now. No, the white dude, they said trademark.

[Mona]

No, the white man got it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But he's trying to do something with something else. His, you know, like a variation. So he got some information to. All right, let me protect myself. Going forward, hopefully not too much, too. Too little, too late.

[Joe Button]

Hopefully true.

[Mona]

You never know what's gonna go viral. That's the whole thing. You know what I mean? You never know. You just around the Internet and then

[Mark Lamont Hill]

showing how the meat fall off the

[Mona]

bone two days later, that everywhere. It really happens like that. Yeah, yeah. Going viral is cool.

[Ish]

Yeah. Speaking of going viral, have you all seen the video circulating around the Internet regarding our. Our brother, Jim Jones?

[Joe Button]

I did.

[Mona]

I haven't.

[Ish]

You haven't?

[Mona]

Nope.

[Ish]

Okay, I'll show to you right now. We'll pause and let you watch it and reflect. Try to get it. Nah, I felt bad. I don't know what's true and what's not true, but. The video shows Jim Jones allegedly trying to kick open a door of a place from which he has been allegedly evicted. According to reports, this video came from 50 Cent, who later put out paperwork that. That allegedly shows that he was evicted.

[Joe Button]

And I read it and I made the screen big.

[Ish]

I did, too. I did, too.

[Joe Button]

I ain't gonna lie to y'. All.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I did.

[Mona]

AI.

[Ish]

Like I said, I don't know if it's true or not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jimmy Legs too little from what I heard. Some people close to the story told me that it's fake. Said that the landlord.

[Ish]

The paperwork is fake.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Said that the landlord is a bum and said that he don't be doing shit. And he tried to evict and supposedly

[Ish]

the document, but non payment. Is that right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Supposedly the document that he created is a fake document that he just literally created on his own, allegedly. So I don't know where it's gonna fall, but that's what I heard.

[Ish]

And how about the kicking in the door part?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They said that the police came later on and made the landlord unlock the doors and leave the premises.

[Keith]

Because you can't do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Jim is renting the premises out legally. And that's what I heard.

[Keith]

Even if you were to be behind

[Ish]

on your lease, you can't just lock people out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, so that. That's what I heard, especially in New York. And after that came out, a couple hours later, Jim did post in the studio inside. So, yeah, they said the police came and made. And made the landlord unlock the doors and lead the premises. So I don't know how true, whichever side was, but I just want to be fair to Jim and you know what I mean? Not make the nigga look like a bum to 7 million people.

[Ish]

See, but that's the hard part about the. And I agree with you. Like I said, I don't know what's true and what's not true. I hope it's not true. I hope he hasn't been evicted. I don't have any. You know what I mean? But once that video goes out, you spend the rest of your life trying to explain some shit, and you can't roll that shit back, like. Cause there are a lot of people that'll see that video of him trying to kick the door in that'll never see a correction or replay or whatever. And so it's like, that's what makes this shit so diabolical.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I look at Jim ain't trying to explain it. Like, even in the video he put out, he had the last dragon on the screen screen. He laid up the boards and chopped the boards like he played again. Jim, when he was up here, he told us, anytime my name trend. I'm just trying to roll with the algorithm now. Like, a lot of people will come out and immediately start trying to clear up. He ain't doing that. He ain't did it the last time,

[Ish]

but he did post himself in the place. He wants you at least know he wasn't evicted.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, Right.

[Joe Button]

But.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But to show that, hey, I wasn't evicted, I'm in the place, I wasn't arrested.

[Mona]

And I'm laughing with you, and I'm laughing.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like I'm. I'm making some fun out of this.

[Mona]

I like that about Jimmy, though. I don't come off like fake. He come off like he bitten with.

[Ish]

You know, they had the whole thing

[Mark Lamont Hill]

where he was saying, oh, the heat is off. He's in there.

[Joe Button]

Yup.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo. Yeah, with the fire yeah, like, whatever y' all say, I'm gonna play into it. I'm gonna have some fun. But from all on the surface, at least, it looks like everything is all right over there.

[Mona]

What's the other option? What's the other option? Right, you cry.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Mona]

What the you gonna do?

[Ish]

He's handling the situation as best you

[Mona]

can, but I'm saying relentless. That's never going to let it go. So if you're not going to take this kind of haha, let's bid about it. You're going to around.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can't beat him at the game, dog.

[Mona]

You can't. You have to play with 50 or you're. I mean, really, he's unbeaten. Oh, my God. 50 get his eyes on your boy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He unbeatable.

[Keith]

You were going to say something.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He was about to say something.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, no. I don't remember what I was about to.

[Ish]

What are y' all making a 50 cent approach to this? I mean, like, this seems to have started. I know they've had their back and forth over the years, but it seems to have started again when they criticized 50 for doing the Diddy Doc. And then. And then it's just been going off since then. I don't know if they regret doing that or if they're, like, fine with it. I don't know. But for me, from a 50 cent perspective, I'm like, at what point is enough? At what point do you say enough? I don't gotta keep.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When is 50 ever said enough?

[Mona]

Ever?

[Ish]

Or maybe a better question is when should he do say it?

[Mona]

For what?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Why? It's only for him to determine.

[Joe Button]

You gotta assume he'll tire out at some point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but that's for him to determine.

[Ish]

When?

[Joe Button]

If I was Jim, I'd be annoyed. Just because I'm not evicted. Y' all keep saying I'm evicted. The Heat. Shit. That's what I was gonna say. The Heat jokes were funny because following all the Heat jokes, we did see all them niggas in bubble gooses and ab and coats and we saw, like, the breath coming out, so that made it funny. But the eviction stuff, if I'm not evicted, which he's not, because every time we see him, he's right back in the building. So it's like, what am I doing here? What is to come of this?

[Mona]

And at the end of the day, people criticizing 50 for making that documentary, I don't even see how that's so crazy of a thing. You know what I mean? Because his background, where he come from, you know, it's police. So it's like some people look at that, like, what the are you doing? Right? Especially when you think about the fact that he's tagging his baby mom. So like, what are we really talking about? You know, I don't, you know, at the end of the day, that's just. You never know. You never know.

[Ish]

I only making a doc is police, though.

[Mona]

I said, no, I'm not saying that making a documentary is police shit. I'm saying that people that look at 50, I could see people thinking that that was corny or that was whatever because of where he comes from, who

[Ish]

he is and who he is. I got you.

[Joe Button]

I got you.

[Mona]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ish]

I hate that logic, but I hear what you're saying, like I hate that people look. I mean, you gotta be able to make a document at some point.

[Mona]

Are you making a documentary for the victims? Is that why you making it? Cause you care about the victims? You believe that in your heart he care about victims?

[Ish]

No, but I don't want to hold him to that standard when I don't hold none of these people at Paramount to that standard. Nobody makes docs for the victims. All the people that made. I mean, very few people do. Maybe surviving R. Kelly, that's probably the only doc I've seen where I know the people who did it actually killed care about the victims. But in general, people make docs to make money, right? So I don't want to be like, well, 50's only doing it to make money or for revenge or whatever they think the reason is because all these people in suits and boardrooms do the same shit. You know what I mean?

[Mona]

Right? But the, but the of the baby mom, that just don't count.

[Ish]

Oh, I'm not, I don't know if that's true or not. His motivation, I'm saying because I feel like he's hated Puff before that too. But I'm saying whatever your motivation is, I don't want to hold 50 to a standard of you have to have pure intentions when you make a doc. Cuz we don't hold nobody else to that standard. That's all I'm saying.

[Mona]

I guess.

[Ish]

But it's still a funny video.

[Joe Button]

That's it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was funny.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Ain't nobody got hurt, so yeah, it's cool laughing at it.

[Mona]

Yeah, I rather, I rather see him laugh than see him pissed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want to see. I don't want to see Jim crashing out. I don't want to See Jim going, you know, none of that. I don't want to see old gym.

[Ish]

Right.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So this is the way you handle it.

[Mona]

Cool.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm with that.

[Ish]

Agreed. There's a. I wouldn't do it 50 zone right now, but there is a. I gotta admit, a little level of admiration I have for somebody who's willing to just never.

[Mona]

No, it says a lot about you.

[Ish]

It does, but not surprising just to not let something go and to find new, creative ways to be petty. I mean, there's just a level of commitment that I admire. Even though I wouldn't do this, I just think it's. You know what I mean? I do appreciate it.

[Mona]

I don't know. When I first took notice of it, I remember thinking, like, damn, he must be miserable. That's what I thought at first. And now I don't think he's miserable at all. I think that's really his thing. You know what I mean? But, like, for me, usually when I see people that's just constantly on it, I always think something wrong with them. Like, they going through something inside.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or a nigga is just rich and bored. And sometimes that's all it take. Like, all right, you my person of the day. You didn't mention my. I just need a reason.

[Mona]

I think 50, literally, I think 50

[Mark Lamont Hill]

just needs a reason.

[Ish]

Not a big one.

[Mona]

I think once he got it, that's what it is. And he's standing on it. He feels the type. Like, I really think he feels a way about these people he talking about, and he gonna get it off. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Well, all the people he talking about, like, yes, it's bad, but they be doing good. Like, Ja's doing great. Jim Jones is doing great. Like, in the. In the broad. In the grand scheme of things, these people are doing. Doing great. The people you talking about saying something to, I assume, are people that are not doing so great. So it's gonna look away.

[Ish]

Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Like the niggas. I would do that to keep doing bad. So at some point, it sucks the fun out of it.

[Ish]

Yeah. You look like a bully.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. And it looks like you're just having too much fun because this guy is sleeping in the Port Authority now. Like, so I think that's the difference.

[Mona]

I don't know, guys. I don't know what. I don't know this. Happy people do stuff like that. People that are happy.

[Joe Button]

Are you whispering?

[Mona]

Happy people do stuff like that. People that are happy with somebody. Until, like, I think, to a point,

[Joe Button]

some people Deserve to be with.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah. I think some people.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And what if that make them happy?

[Mona]

That's. But that's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

That's a. A little sick.

[Mona]

Makes you happy. I don't know, bro. I just. I don't know. May call me weird. I just. It's just.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen, man, we.

[Mona]

We.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a world. We talk about some sick up here. If sitting there poking fun at somebody on the Internet is how they get their off, I ain't mad at it.

[Mona]

Yeah, I guess.

[Joe Button]

So they ain't found this missing lady yet?

[Keith]

No, I don't think so.

[Joe Button]

All right, man. All right.

[Ish]

You talking about Savannah Guthrie's mother? Yes.

[Joe Button]

Nancy Guthrie.

[Ish]

Yeah. No, they have not found her. And as I understand it, the issue now is they haven't even. They haven't shown proof of life, which makes it. That's the concerning part for me. Like, show me something. Cause I think they seem like they're ready to give the money up. It's just a question of you gotta. You gotta show me proof of life. If it's your own mother, though, do you wait for proof of life or

[Mark Lamont Hill]

do you roll the dice this long?

[Ish]

Yeah, if they say, give me the 6 million, we're not showing you shit. But give me the 6 million million.

[Mona]

Was mom saver? Like, was mom one of them? Like, was mom one of them? Like, you know, like, what mom approved. Like, you know what I mean?

[Ish]

Was mama a saver?

[Mona]

Like, my mom would be like, don't get them people that money. Let you know I'm alive, you know? But my grandma would be, like, paid anyway. That's why I don't with her.

[Ish]

Let me tell you something. If your grandmother's missing, I didn't. You're the suspect, right?

[Joe Button]

They want to look right to your house, dog.

[Ish]

You can use podcast lyrics.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Word. Oh, they coming. I would need proof of life. Yeah. After this amount of time, I would

[Keith]

need proof of life, that amount of money. Yeah.

[Ish]

Really?

[Keith]

Yes.

[Mona]

Six. Millie, baby.

[Ish]

See, Josie, I. I already know. I know Joe feels different.

[Joe Button]

Well, I love my mom more than people out there do.

[Ish]

Well, that's what I was about to say.

[Joe Button]

I'm going to get. I'm going.

[Mona]

But your mom's pretty cool, too.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But I would have gave him the money from the rip. Yeah. I'm just saying, if we had this point and now I haven't seen proof

[Ish]

of life or something, and I'm the kidnapper, and I'm like, yo, she's alive. Give me the money or else I

[Mark Lamont Hill]

don't believe you though. It's a bad conversation but. Or else might have already happened.

[Joe Button]

God forbid.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's how.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Ish]

But it's just money.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Mona]

Like his mom naggy. You know what I mean?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm getting moms but before this for sure.

[Ish]

But I'm just saying if you get out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If it was just money, I'd have gave the money a long time ago

[Ish]

without asking for proof.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The police wouldn't even have to get involved if that was the case. You know what I'm saying? Like if. If it was just money to throw around. I'm going to get my mother and the first week I can get my mother. It's just been over a month.

[Ish]

Yeah. I would never want to have a regret or a what if.

[Mona]

What would you do though? Would you give it up?

[Ish]

Huh?

[Mona]

Would you give up the 6 mil without the proof of life?

[Ish]

But see, like just. I love my mother less than a lot of people.

[Mona]

Okay. I respect it.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So mother in law.

[Ish]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Chop chop. No, I'm kidding.

[Mona]

Of course.

[Ish]

I wouldn't get her either. I'm not getting. I'm not getting nobody over 80.

[Mona]

What the.

[Ish]

Are we kidding me?

[Mona]

Like has she had a cancer?

[Joe Button]

77, 78.

[Mona]

Is this healthy?

[Ish]

Idiot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You done put out six and they last two and a half years.

[Joe Button]

You like.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo dog, you got to stay around a little longer. Yeah, you babysitting for free.

[Ish]

All jokes. All jokes aside. Yes, I would get. I would get my mother.

[Mona]

And we are praying on this return of this lady here at jbp. Yes, every night we pray about this.

[Joe Button]

See, that's the thing about marriage. That's one of the double standards I would want to enforce. Like if my mom gets sick, she do got to come and live with us so I could take care of yard and. And make her better.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your mother get.

[Joe Button]

But if your we going to get

[Mark Lamont Hill]

the best nanny out.

[Joe Button]

Like I. I don't know if I'm joking.

[Mona]

I think a safe. A safe drone would be nobody's mom.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, my mom can live in the

[Ish]

crib, but my mother in law lives like a solid 10 minutes away.

[Mona]

Y' all crazy as hell is.

[Ish]

She's close enough.

[Mona]

Man, ain't nobody coming that my mom or his mom that are y' all crazy, dog.

[Ish]

Keep them close.

[Joe Button]

I'll be watching the. That gotta take care of like their mother in law. Not you, Mark. My other friends is doing it. They be looking miserable. Boy, they be looking like the old ball and chain. The shit that they be having to do for the Mother in laws like bathe them and fucking drive them places.

[Ish]

I love helping my Aldrich. I love doing it. But I don't. But during that she had a fall in June where she was staying with us for like a month or so. That was. That was. I was gonna say hell, it's hard. That was very difficult. But when she got like 10 minutes away where like I take her to church every Sunday.

[Keith]

Sure.

[Mona]

She watch you the podcast?

[Ish]

No, no, no. She's. She's dealing. She's in early stage of Alzheimer's.

[Mona]

Oh, sorry about that.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mona]

But lesser good on your end because

[Ish]

she heard bunch of American Bandstand. Exactly. And so

[Mona]

he do dirty.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

He's terrible. I wish y' all really knew who this was a monster. I'm do the dance stand, bro. I'm doing the. This nigga's crazy, yo.

[Joe Button]

Oh man. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

When it's her mom's, it's really, you know, you can go stay with her and take care of your moms.

[Ish]

I'm telling you. I mean marriage. The thing about marriage from my perspective is like your families do merge in a certain way. And I really do look at my mother in law like a mother and I have no problem taking care of her. I will say though again, I like it better 10 minutes away where we can interact. But I also. You also have a little bit of space cuz other part also like it ain't the best place for them cuz it's just you and them. A home is where they want to be.

[Mona]

There's no elderly person ever did I

[Ish]

get that off says no El person ever.

[Mona]

I always wanted to live in senior living where it smells like a mop and.

[Ish]

No you want a good one. No, but seriously though cuz you want them to be around community. Like my mother in law gets bored sitting around our house. But when she now she loves. That's what you got you for.

[Joe Button]

For take her for a drive.

[Mona]

I have strict rules for my mother to never let her live in other places. That's like her thing. My mother wants to be cremated and she does not want to live in one of those facilities.

[Joe Button]

Oh yeah, my mom too. I used to make a joke early on like oh you remember getting bad time to check in. She fixed that early.

[Keith]

Oh, my mom's like put me in.

[Mona]

Yeah, really?

[Keith]

My mom's like once it. Once I'm. Once I'm not good. Put me in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, put me in.

[Joe Button]

Really.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And the funny part is I wouldn't. I'm not going to listen.

[Ish]

I want One.

[Keith]

But in fairness, my mom took care of my dad's parents as they age. So I think that she don't want to put that.

[Ish]

She want me a.

[Mona]

Your mom loves you.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I wish I would put my parent in a home after I was watching news during Company, but, yo, you rich.

[Ish]

You go to a nice home. Like my mom's in a nice home.

[Mona]

But this the thing, though. My mother. My mother has been geriatrics for years. She's worked in nicer homes.

[Keith]

It's all.

[Mona]

It doesn't matter how nice it is. Certain happens in there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a lot of.

[Keith]

There's a lot of that go.

[Mona]

It's a lot of. Oh, no. The elderly. That's probably a good point. That's probably a good part.

[Ish]

But I'm talking about the highest there.

[Mona]

You run into the.

[Keith]

They're. They're in the Olympics. That's like the most.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They bugging the front.

[Ish]

Are they at the Olympics a lot?

[Keith]

Oh, they're a lot.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They said in three they had a. A shipment of 10,000 condoms and in three days it was gone. Yeah.

[Mona]

Damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

For Olympic Village. Yeah. You know them in tip top shape. They can nut four, five times a day.

[Ish]

I thought if you was competing Olympics, you're not supposed to be nutting.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, tell that to the judges. You talk about we in Barcelona with nothing to do.

[Keith]

Yeah. Now.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you in Milan.

[Keith]

Milan in the mountains.

[Mona]

What? Morning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Crazy.

[Keith]

All these figure skater butts sliding around. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Looking like something.

[Mona]

Comes in three days. That's what you said.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. They sold out 10,000. They had to re up.

[Mona]

You know, ain't nobody getting pregnant up that. You don't have time for that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, we all Olympians.

[Keith]

Yeah. You have some good kids.

[Mona]

This would be good stock.

[Ish]

Come on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy, yo.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but the guy could continue to be an Olympian. But the girl, she's done.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. She got four years. Yeah.

[Mona]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

The Olympics every four years.

[Keith]

She be right back.

[Joe Button]

Yo, guys do that. You are terrible. Oh, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy. You be back.

[Joe Button]

You'll be back. You'll be back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Good as.

[Joe Button]

Good as new.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And you motivated now.

[Joe Button]

There you go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy.

[Ish]

Go for the gold.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

10,000 condoms.

[Ish]

If y' all was going for a gold medal, y' all be the night before your biggest. The biggest night of your life.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, Mark, you might not. You might not realize, really, you might not have a shot.

[Ish]

No, our event.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Our event might not be until Thursday.

[Ish]

Today. Monday.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

I ain't even before work. I ain't with none of that.

[Ish]

You don't before work.

[Joe Button]

I try not to, bro.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about three or four days away.

[Ish]

Definitely do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Is 21 years old.

[Ish]

My wife this morning.

[Joe Button]

He says it all over your face when you come.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. It's just. It's the time when you live with somebody, like, you know what I mean?

[Mona]

Or.

[Ish]

Or whatever, you know I mean, or sometimes you got the time, you got. Mine happens to be before the show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And if you 21, you ain't got no reservations at all. 19.

[Ish]

Yeah, see, that's where the coaches come in.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you 19, you go through a box of rubbers like it's nothing, and

[Joe Button]

it explains why you be early. Oh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying, Yo,

[Ish]

only eight of five minutes,

[Joe Button]

bro.

[Ish]

You a fool, bro.

[Joe Button]

Something wrong with this guy, man.

[Keith]

Y' all seen the biathlete dude that as soon as he won the gold medal, apologized for cheating on his girl?

[Joe Button]

No, but swag,

[Keith]

he was a biathlete, not bisexual athlete. But maybe he was.

[Joe Button]

I heard this story. Totally different. Y' all happy, get better. Y' all have to get help.

[Ish]

No, I really thought he meant, like, he cheated girl with a dude like a bi athlete. That's why I was like, oh, that's the story.

[Joe Button]

I think. I think this is right up there with. I think this is right up there with Teddy Riley breaking up with his girl and then doing. Remember the time with Michael Jackson? Oh, yeah. Like, this is pretty fly.

[Keith]

I won the gold, yo. I'm sorry, baby. I, I. I had the best thing of my life, and I threw it all away over some pussy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Dedicate this to you.

[Keith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

He got some pussy right before he went up there and said all that.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah. That's why the cops come on. Get somebody with that metal on, right?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. But there are a lot of women out there that really, really put a lot of stock in how you behave after the cheat and how you beg for them back and what better way? And this has to be at the top of the chain of gold at the Olympics.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Olympics.

[Joe Button]

And the whole world is here. And I think he'll get her back doing like that now with probably an extra body or two or three or four, but it shouldn't matter at that point. Love should win.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Imagine.

[Joe Button]

Love should win.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Imagine she. Imagine she kept it on a low from all her peoples. You just told the whole world.

[Mona]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, being about being embarrassed.

[Joe Button]

I think he knew that she told everybody.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why he doing the grand gesture.

[Joe Button]

He know I was laughing earlier. I don't know, I don't know a cool way to bring it up, but I was laughing because you know when niggas have to. We was playing out a phone call. You know when niggas have a side baby. So we was playing out when the side chick called a be like, guess what, I'm pregnant. You'd be looking at that phone like, girl, you know what to do.

[Keith]

Send the video.

[Joe Button]

Yo, they calling me dead ass. Listen, the other night. You know, I'm with my girl. Bye. Don't even check back in for nine months. Yo, you stupid. Yeah, come on. Don't call my phone with that. Go, go, go.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do it.

[Joe Button]

Come on, you know what to do.

[Keith]

Hey, we're back.

[Joe Button]

Hey, we are back. We are. What were you saying, Mark?

[Ish]

Oh, just a sad story. I mean, it's up. You're about this dude that just got sentenced to 37 years.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yes. With cancer.

[Ish]

Yeah. This dude is 37 years. He got 37 years. For what? So he let his underage son drive the car.

[Keith]

How under?

[Ish]

Unlicensed.

[Joe Button]

Unlicensed. Underage.

[Ish]

Son, if you're underage, you gotta be unlicensed, right?

[Joe Button]

So.

[Ish]

And he drove the car, got in an accident, killed a grandmother and three grandchildren.

[Joe Button]

Ooh, geesh.

[Ish]

And they gave him 37 years.

[Joe Button]

Sheesh.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And they get a father to 37.

[Ish]

They get a father to 37 or

[Keith]

they get the kid?

[Ish]

I don't know. Four. Four years.

[Keith]

Oh, okay.

[Ish]

Yeah, that's from Keynote, so I can verify that. But I believe.

[Joe Button]

I feel like that should be reversed. I feel like that just sounds off.

[Ish]

Yeah, but giving a 15 year old 37 years is crazy shit. If my dad told me to go

[Mark Lamont Hill]

drive, he allowed him or he told him.

[Keith]

That's a good question.

[Ish]

Well, part of the story is that couldn't drive because he had cancer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Ish]

So it's tricky. Cause I don't know if he told him to or if he just allowed him to, but it seemed like his inability to drive played into this decision.

[Joe Button]

If I have cancer and I need to go get my cancer stuff from up the street and I can't drive.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

My son is 15.

[Joe Button]

I'm asking my kid to drive me up there. Like that seems reasonable. That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pops was in the car with him.

[Ish]

I don't know. Know.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

These are things that. I just think it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Ish]

That detail was not in the story. So I don't know and I don't want to guess.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think 37 years old for somebody that has cancer, number one. I mean, 37 years in jail for somebody that has cancer is a little cruel. I don't want to minimize the fact that the teenage kid killed somebody and killed four people, however. Yo, that's a mistake.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You understand what I'm saying? Like the child committed a mistake. And I don't necessarily think that somebody should be getting 40 years based on a mistake. Like people do shit purposefully. You could kill somebody, you could shoot somebody, intend to shoot them and kill them and come home after seven, eight years with a manslaughter charge. So you giving somebody 37 years for a mistake to me is unjust.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Ish]

And a mistake I didn't make. I mean, my mistake was letting my kid drive the car. I didn't run into people, you know what I mean? I. I don't think either person should get 37. The dad shouldn't get 37 cuz he made a mistake. The kid shouldn't get 37 cuz the kid don't know how to drive. And your dad put you in a

[Mona]

car cuz he black?

[Ish]

No.

[Mona]

Yeah, I think it's cuz he's black. I don't. It doesn't make any sense. I also feel like what the victims want matters. And when I saw the victim's family on the stand, she's pissed. Of course she will be pissed. But it's just like in a situation like that, knowing what really happened, how did that make you feel better that dad goes to jail for that fucking long? Even if he did some time. For 37 years she sat on that stand like y' all can still see him. When y' all want to talk to him, y' all can talk to him. We can't call her. I mean, they're pissed. And that, that matters when the family is reaching out to prosecution, reaching out to the state. Nail his fucking.

[Ish]

It goes a long way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, all right, hold on. Cause I'm looking. There's some more information. There's more information. The 16 year old was intoxicated and speeding when the crash occurred. That changes things a little bit.

[Ish]

But to me, not for the dad,

[Mona]

not for the pop.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If the pop know you drunk and, and still allows you behind the wheel of the car and you go out and kill four people. You added that piece though. What piece? We don't know if the father knew preemptively that he was drunk.

[Joe Button]

That's why he's saying if, right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I said if. No, he said, I said if. Like that changes things. If homeboy took. We stole a car. Well, I ain't never steal a car, but my stole a mother car, stole their father car, and we went out joy riding. And if something happened, it's still a mistake, it's still an accident. Even if we went out and got drunk and then the accident happened, my father didn't know necessarily that we was going to be drunk.

[Joe Button]

Do you know the whereabouts of those friends currently? Yeah. Yeah.

[Mona]

Also, dad claims that he didn't say that he could use the car. That's what dad said. Whether it's true or not, dad said that he didn't say he, you could use the card. He had no idea.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There is something, and this just comes from my insurance background, there's something called implied consent. So meaning like if he's been driving this car previously, you know, you have the okay to drive this car. Like he's been allowing you to drive the car even in this particular instance that he didn't say, hey, drive it, or hey, don't you have implied that it's okay for him to drive this vehicle.

[Mona]

That's a good ad. That's a good point.

[Ish]

Yeah. But even, I mean, just to tie this part up, implied consent, as I understand it, is typically like if I have a licensed driver in the house. The idea is like you just said, like, you're a licensed driver, you drive the car in this house. And so if you drive it every day of the week, I'd have to tell you this day, but he's not licensed. You know what I mean? And if you're drunk, I certainly wouldn't say that you're allowed to drive drunk. So it gets tricky for me at the end of the day, nobody to me should get 36. I'm waiting for this. You know what I mean? It just seems like an awful thing that happened.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he had stage four prostate cancer. They gave him 37 years in jail.

[Ish]

Yes. I mean part. I mean, that's nasty. Sadly, sadly, he's probably not going to live long enough to experience that. But that shouldn't be the determinant factor.

[Mona]

And the family more is asking, can he die at home? Because he's dying. You know what I mean? You're not beating that.

[Ish]

So that's why it's grandstanding to me. They could give him five years, it would have been the same. But they giving him 37 so they can say, look at this head we got. It makes the public feel good.

[Mona]

And that's what even with the family, because that's the Thing when the family is upset or when. Because every family doesn't call.

[Joe Button]

That's old.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, I think the boy should have been like, what I just read it said the kid was traveling 76 miles an hour in a 30. So you need to be punished. Like, I don't want to just dismiss it and say that the little boy shouldn't be punished because at 15 years old, I had enough. Enough knowledge and worth all to know I'm not supposed to be going 76, which is gentle. Four is. Four is light.

[Mona]

Why?

[Joe Button]

Stage four prostate cancer. God. God. Let's say go in. God forbid he does a year this time. The young man that actually was behind the wheel gets four years. So where is justice, right? Where. Where is the justice? I would want the. The. The young dude. Sorry. You. You got to do some time, buddy. You got to do some. Not four and a half years. You a minor. N seventy and a twenty. You're drunk. Kill people. I'm not putting that on your dad.

[Ish]

What would justice look like for you to reverse it? So you think 37 is fair?

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying the heavier penalty be on the younger driver and health be taken into consideration at sentencing for this older gentleman. Yeah, that's what it would look like.

[Mona]

I think it makes a difference when the family is involved or when the family is upset, especially if the family is in contact with the state. Calling the prosecution. When the family was on the stand, the family. The girl that was testifying, you know, for her family, she was saying, you know, y' all can still call y' all family members. Y' all can still see your family members. We can't. All that counts. Because she was pissed. To add on what Joe saying him. I would want him to. If I was a part of that family, I would want him to be at juvie, transfer over to the state prison, go do some adult time, and then come home. It just doesn't make any sense why dad gets that much. I just don't. It's almost like if he was. I could understand getting all that time if dad. If the kid was 10 or 11, because that's really like. Okay, you're not paying attention to this little kid.

[Ish]

You put a 10 year behind the wheel.

[Joe Button]

You should.

[Mona]

Right? This nigga's 16. I just. I don't know. And I. I find it hard to believe that dad know he hired drunk.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So with Texas. Oh, I'm sorry. Not Texas. This is Florida. I was looking up Texas law school.

[Joe Button]

My back.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead.

[Mona]

Don't yeah, but that was. That's all I was really saying. I think that has a. That has a lot to do with it, the anger from the family. And I also agree with Mark where it's like, they do things like that to, like, set the tone for everything. But I'm still sitting on. It's cuz he's black as well.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I don't think that 37 is

[Keith]

recipes to all the people that lost their lives.

[Joe Button]

Sure.

[Mona]

That is horrible.

[Ish]

Also, rest in peace to Eric Dane. Y' all hear? That was so sad yesterday.

[Joe Button]

53 years old. Extremely sad.

[Ish]

Extremely sad. You're a great actor.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

What is he, 52?

[Ish]

53? One year after getting diagnosed with ALS. So, you know, just rest in peace to him. No long eulogy. Just rest in peace to him. He's a great actor, for sure. One of my favorites. McSteemy, as we like to call him.

[Keith]

That's what you call him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Mona]

Call him.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what you call him.

[Ish]

That was his name. Is that what you call we fans of Grey's Anatomy? No, I call him Mark. His. That was his name on the show. He's a great doctor, great actor, great part of the show. I hated the way they. They killed him off the show, but you know how grays do. But great actor. It just. Again, just so sad to see so many people dying, you know, so young.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, sure.

[Keith]

Yeah, for sure. Rest in peace.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It was around the corner from me who Age wise. 52. That's young.

[Mona]

It's so young. When you. When you. When you get near them ages, it's like, you see how really young that is? You know what I mean?

[Ish]

Get your checkups, brothers.

[Mona]

Our brother just turned 50. Like, yeah, we can't lose you in two, three years. I'm getting choked up thinking about it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Hopefully not.

[Mona]

No, we're not.

[Ish]

You get your checkups, though.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I do.

[Mona]

That's why you get that ass checked and all that. My.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mona]

He a man. He ain't scared. A little finger up the ass. All y' all get fingers up your ass to get check.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't.

[Joe Button]

You guys have new ways to do that.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Shut up.

[Mona]

Oh, I always look forward.

[Ish]

I still do old school, but you prefer it.

[Joe Button]

He requested just all the strength.

[Mona]

He like when they say this. The new technology, Marco.

[Ish]

Oh, damn.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You like doc. It's up there.

[Ish]

You got to use too

[Mona]

seriously, y', all. You don't have to do that anymore. You don't have to do a manual finger update.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They give you a blood Test. And then if your blood levels come back a little abnormal, then they'll go to.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

A different.

[Mona]

That's cool.

[Ish]

My. I have a particular problem. So. Or because of my health history. My father who. Who had prostate cancer. So they like to do both. That's why.

[Mona]

And it's not painful.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a little.

[Mona]

It's like to the first line of the index. Nothing crazy.

[Ish]

It's painful. The first. First time.

[Mona]

Come on.

[Ish]

Then after that you're a pro.

[Joe Button]

Now

[Ish]

they put ky jelly on it.

[Mona]

Because I'm not. I'm not joking. You know what else is painful? Pap smears. Pap smears are painful. As really? Ask your lady. Actually. Lady. And it's cold. They don't put no music on or nothing.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No foreplay, nothing.

[Ish]

What?

[Mona]

They don't even rub metal.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Get a mammogram.

[Mona]

First they put the drawing. That's what they do. And then they stick a long ass other drawing. And then they tap around and they put that in the drawing.

[Joe Button]

I want to say that y' all got the bad end of the God design stick. Until I remember that y' all outlive us.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

They could come three, four times two.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

One shot.

[Mona]

It's harder for us to come down.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We can get it back.

[Mona]

But it's harder for us to come to first time though than it is for y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Mona]

And y' all start coming like all the way at like 12, 13. We don't even hit our sexual peaks till 40. You don't get a real nut T. About 35, 40.

[Ish]

Wait, you got your first real nut when you.

[Mona]

I didn't say me. I said. I said that. That's. That's what it is. Like you. What you. That little tingle you feeling that 20. 21 is not the same what you feel. 31 not the same what you feel.

[Ish]

41 really get stronger every day.

[Joe Button]

I was about to say. Oh, you took the party bus.

[Mona]

I had enough of your. That's it. Mr. Button.

[Joe Button]

I do have some here. That sounds like they need our help. I know we haven't done this in a while.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I like this.

[Mona]

Why you the only one that get to read them?

[Joe Button]

You can read it if you want to.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

Can you read a little have at

[Mona]

it wherever I start? In the blue?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That's the one we read right there.

[Mona]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

This one does seem like you had

[Mark Lamont Hill]

to take the glasses off to read.

[Mona]

Yeah, they just make me look smart. There's no medicine in them. Hi, everyone. My boyfriend and I recently separated.

[Ish]

Sorry.

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Mona]

They don't Give a Fuck. We have two sons, 11 months and 2 years old. That's a bad time to lose that nigga boy. He has two children from a previous situation. His daughter is 19 and clearly has unresolved issues with her father that has caused problems in our relationship since the very beginning. I let a lot of things slide, but once he and I start having children, I really didn't care to work on she and I's relationship. She's extremely disrespectful and all her father does is minimize her actions and never addresses things to her. When I became pregnant with our second child, she text him and said I hope you end that baby die. Than commented on a post of our own oldest son whom was only one at the time. Shake my head. Or something of that nature. Fast forward. We're separated and now he is speaking to his daughter again and bringing her around our sons, mind you, with no autonomous autonomy.

[Keith]

What autonomy?

[Mona]

Maybe autonomous? That's what she had. Okay. Damn, I lost my blood. Okay, on her behalf, a conversation, nothing. I feel extremely uncomfortable with this and it's caused me horrible anxiety around leaving them with their dad. I just want him to acknowledge that a wishing death on anyone is not okay and for there to be some type of understanding regarding the seriousness. What should I do moving forward to have a conversation with him about my uncomfortability without causing a conflict. Oh, also, am I crazy? A 19 year old wishing death on her unborn brother is disturbing, right? Shake my head. I really want to answer this real bad now as a person who had issues with my stepmother, right? And I'm going to walk this gently because my stepmom, she's still outside a little bit. If I told you her name, you'll know why, you know. But when it came to to me and her, right? Well, me and him, me and his issues, of course they spilled over to her, but it never really had anything to do with her, right? For example, when my sibling was born, I found out that that she, my sibling was coming the day she was born. She has never forgiven me for not coming to see the baby and not being active with my sibling when the baby was young. Whole time I was pissed that nobody fucking told me. He didn't even even tell me. I think I talked to my grandmother and she congratulated me on having a new sibling and that's how I found out. I feel like when you are the adult in the situation, even though 19 is grown, you kind of have to like carry it that way. So of course it's wrong for her to say I hope you and that baby die. But I'm also curious on why the did he even repeat it when she text him that. You know what I mean? I think the blame is more on your mate. Not necessarily. And I don't think there's anything wrong with them having conversations and about the seriousness of it. But that's not gonna change the fact that she's the kind of 19 year older to say fuck you and them new babies you made because of her anger she has with her father. Does that make sense? It has nothing to do with you or your fucking kids. It's all about her and him because he probably didn't raise her, he probably didn't do right by her and that's why she's upset.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She sound like she just want an apology. Yeah, the lady. That's it. That's all she wants. She just wants. Cause she said it's a conversation. The fact that he has her around the children and there's been no conversation or atonement from her. So she feels like what you said was wrong. And I need that acknowledged. I mean holding a 19 year old to that, it's a little silly.

[Ish]

A little bit. 19 year olds say dumb shit. They say shit they don't mean. It's still an awful thing to say. And that should be communicated to her because words have power. But I also wouldn't read too much into. I wouldn't, I wouldn't make that. Like you said, I wouldn't make that the focus. The focus is that relationship over there.

[Mona]

Right. And that's where I think that's where the point of contention is because new mom.

[Joe Button]

Wait, I'm sorry, I'm maybe delayed reaction today. I'm a little slow. Are y' all saying that the 19 year old can say I hope you and that baby die and still come hang around the baby without ever addressing that?

[Ish]

No, I said that's mom should be cool. No, no, I'm saying it's awful and should be dealt with. But I'm saying that shouldn't be the primary focus. I want to know what caused her to say that.

[Joe Button]

That daughter is never going to see these new kids again. We don't got these moms up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not mad at the mother for feeling like that she being silly. I don't think she being silly at all.

[Ish]

I don't think she's being silly.

[Mona]

And then you got to listen. No, but neither one of us says she being silly. And also I'm paying attention. The 19 year old's crime publicly is to shake my head on the post. She text her father that about them kids. He didn't even have to repeat it. You understand what I'm saying? I'm texting him to disrespect him using them kids. That's totally different than. You know what I mean? So is it small? No, it's not small, but there's levels to this. The public thing she did where she knew everybody could see was shake my head. So how tough, how crazy and gangster is this kid for real? Because a man that knows how to handle business, you wouldn't even repeat no shit like. Like that to your new woman with this. Who the would say, can you believe this little just said she, me and the kid? It doesn't even make any sense. And it's indicative on how stupid he is.

[Joe Button]

I don't see it like that either.

[Ish]

I don't.

[Joe Button]

I don't. I see how it could be that way.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I see that part.

[Joe Button]

I see how it could be that way. So, yes, I see that. I also see how it could be the other, which is niggas talk to their girl.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. But I think it's the same, Joe,

[Mona]

you want these motherfuckers.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking from experience. I've never shared stuff with my girl that people have said about, yeah, I haven't done it.

[Ish]

Hell, they ain't gonna get over there.

[Joe Button]

Awesome. For all of you upstanding people, I'm saying in the event that this person who clearly doesn't have a great relationship with his daughter, probably has spoken to his partner long before these events have taken taking place about this relationship, and his partner is kind of his confidant and vent person and the person that helps him feel better at how to deal with this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I could totally see that happening.

[Joe Button]

I can see both things happening.

[Ish]

But I'm saying that's a. And the problem saying it's a.

[Joe Button]

It's a bad decision.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's a bad. Because you're gonna get back. You and your daughter gonna work it out at some point. Hopefully.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why.

[Ish]

And she ain't never gonna forget that.

[Mona]

Exactly. And it also.

[Joe Button]

That's an assumption from privilege.

[Ish]

I said potentially. But she ain't gonna forget that. If, you know, y' all do.

[Mona]

It also gives, like the way you tell it, it's almost like that ain't your kid. Oh, you know, I'm venting with my partner. That's your daughter. So. Yes, you do. You do protect your daughter in that way where she's being a. I'm not gonna repeat that. She said some stupid asshole shit. That's your kid. It's no way that your woman being your confidant in the place you vent trumps your kid. That came from your balls. No way I'm protecting my baby.

[Joe Button]

That's not, that's not true.

[Ish]

That depends on a lot of things.

[Joe Button]

You are wrong.

[Ish]

That depends on the relationship.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you're wrong. Cause I think this, I think that as the man, the man should have, not me personally. I don't think the man should have repeated that one.

[Joe Button]

I agree.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

And now the future has come to pass. You bait up with your 19 year old. You got the 19 year old around your new kids and that is the reason that you don't tell your significant other to that. Because you know they gonna hold onto that. But rightfully so, they're gonna hold on to that. So you being the man in this situation, you eat that and just act like it never happened. And then you try to create a level of harmony between your 19 year old and your new woman because you know they had at. At a crossroads also. And it's two kids.

[Mona]

It's two kids. And also there is a situation where that's a sign that this, this girl's gonna be burning her siblings with lighters. That is a thing. But in my opinion, in this situation situation, that's not indicative of that. And I disagree with Joe on another point because I feel like at the end of the day when Joe says, oh, she's never gonna see them kids now. No, you lose the opportunity once y' all split. When it's his weekend, you cannot control whether he takes the around a sibling. We could pretend and play all we want. A judge is not gonna say, you know what restraining order from her with the kids. The judge not gonna give a that. She text that a year ago when the baby was one. So in reality, if you want that kind of control, you need to stay together. That's just like the guy that leaves the baby mama, leaves his wife, he's mad about the stepdad, it's nothing you can do. Once you drop the ball and the family's done, it's nothing you could do. If that lady want to take them kids to the mall, make them dance with a cup in front of them, that's what the going to happen. Unless the judge deem it to be dangerous.

[Joe Button]

For the record, I was saying that the dad should feel like that for a little bit. Not the mom. I was saying the dad, if he know that the estranged daughter got this type of venom and anger and rage and hurt in her. I wouldn't just be so willy nilly to bring her around my. Around my kids. I'm going have to father you from over there for a little bit.

[Ish]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Or he might have did that for a little bit and. And can tell it was just words of hurt.

[Mona]

Right?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You get what I'm saying? Like, bro, kids say stupid, yo. And if it's you and them kids, I hope they die. Like, not. I want to kill, kill y'. All just y' all right? Out of anger, y' all told me the same. When I told y' all I cut a family member off of that. All of y' all told me, not me. When I said what. What I fell out with a family member over. It was, yo, come on, dog. They say stupid

[Mona]

and we're talking about 19. We talking about 19 in a girl. Like, what the. What are we talking about? I don't know. I might. Might be at this. And that's. That's what I'm saying to hear there is a case where that nice hero was abusive to her siblings. That's it. We're not talking about him letting her babysit him, but them to see she

[Mark Lamont Hill]

might not be around the kids by herself.

[Mona]

Right? Yeah. So I think you can see it both.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But if he's pops and he. I'm repairing a relationship with my daughter and I would like for her to have a relationship with her siblings. But I'm here while this happens, right? It ain't saying leave her with them. And she got hurt him.

[Mona]

Because I picture him as an old head, as older than. Older than the. Than the baby who's going to wipe his ass when he's 70. His 19 year old.

[Joe Button]

I understand what y' all saying. I've also been in plenty of living rooms where the dude was in there happy with his two new kids and his new family. And the old kid from back in the day that you had walk in and the vibe up, look different and think different. We don't with your mother. Now you just in here to be around new kids. Don't with you. You're looking dusty. You cursing people out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but that mights to go. That might be the acceptance.

[Joe Button]

Get that old kid the fuck out of here. Yo. Now the long I think about it, get the old kid. Yo, he left. He left you for a reason the first time. Now you back being art. You being. You ain't learn, huh?

[Mona]

Stop, Jody, that's so mean.

[Joe Button]

You still sending these Texts.

[Mona]

We love the older kids here at the jvc.

[Ish]

We love the older kids.

[Mona]

No matter how much your father regrets you, we love you here.

[Ish]

And the fathers don't regret them.

[Mona]

Oh, they regret it.

[Joe Button]

Hey, just remember, older kid punishment is different than younger kid punishment. You can get, you can get dropped off somewhere. You old enough to just leave somewhere and a not feel the guilt as he drop off. We could leave you at Chuck E. Cheese. You want to send threatening texts.

[Mona]

Can you imagine?

[Joe Button]

I'm joking, but just saying.

[Mona]

Have any of y' all ever had your kids say something real nasty? The ones that have older kids, that would be you and pry Joe.

[Joe Button]

Real nasty to me. No.

[Mona]

You know what I told my dad when I was 19, I was probably 19 or 20. I maybe we should save it for the Patreon.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I remember I told my moms, I don't want to be here. I want to go live with pops. And she packed me up and sent me the pops for the summer. I ain't say that no more. When I got back.

[Ish]

Not a good experience.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Mona]

I told my dad that I would shoot him in the back of his curly ass head. He has curly hair. I didn't mean it.

[Joe Button]

I noticed that on the part of the shows you. It typically triggers some type of like trauma, family trauma out of you. Have you been noticing that?

[Mona]

That's a lie. But this made me think because my five to 10 years in prison, we came home, he had children. So it was a big thing to me. I wanted to spend a summer or two of my day. It was really like a big thing. Like it sucked. Yep. And now me and my siblings are tight with my sister constantly. Good. But, but, but we did that. He did not facilitate that. He did not assist. And I don't have that relationship with all his kids. I have relationship with like, like one of them where we tight. That's all on the dad. And a lot of times dads drop the ball, it just sucks. Cuz to me, this dad drops the ball by telling her that I agree. He flipped this thing up with that pass the ball and I'mma crack it in half.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. One of the more important matters.

[Ish]

Time to apologize. Yeah.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Got your attention.

[Mona]

That started at the beginning.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Before I met Jimmy Fallon, I had

[Mona]

had to meet Jimmy Henchman in mine.

[Ish]

Before I had any equipment, I had

[Mark Lamont Hill]

amigo in Arizona send me a shipment. I keep my enemies close cause I feel we distant or get killed by

[Ish]

a friendly cause I don't see any difference. To be a Willie lynching cause never heal from defeat like Kobe's Achilles tendon cause my notable quotables go to the vocables My hoe was so unapproachable who won't even notice. You eat at the Noble for photo

[Mona]

shoes don't even go for food and

[Mark Lamont Hill]

most of you emotional act like I

[Ish]

voted for Trump you thrown in the

[Mark Lamont Hill]

trunk trying to pull up baloney and

[Ish]

stunt when everyone in your gang is

[Mark Lamont Hill]

caught you feel like the lonely one

[Mona]

day ones they gonna lay on crayons

[Ish]

seance for presentation play on words like

[Mark Lamont Hill]

crayons Draymond dream crayon masterpiece make them say cause I stole stay on point

[Ish]

like Treyon calling a hit like Jake from State Farm one trying to convince

[Joe Button]

my to stay the artwork says there is no competition or you're my number one. There's no competition. I'm assuming the project is coming at some point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There is no competition.

[Joe Button]

He dropped this on Instagram, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But oh boy.

[Ish]

Every bar is a celebration.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There is no competition.

[Ish]

I know you guys have ciphers because I just saw the cipher y' all

[Mark Lamont Hill]

did recently on BT and I know

[Ish]

how competitive that could be and how competitive you are. Who's taking you down?

[Joe Button]

I would.

[Ish]

I would not battle side in a cyber.

[Keith]

That's not amazing. I mean, well, the rapping was amazing. The mix is horrible.

[Ish]

But the rapping he was rapping.

[Joe Button]

I'm assuming it'll be mixed properly before it's released. It's not out. I didn't purchase that. That's straight from his Instagram. But I'm excited to hear some new Saha and hopefully there's a new project on the way he raps.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So take some new Saha.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that shit he did on there, boy. God damn. Also before we leave, new K1. Oops, that's not it. Sorry. Y' all know that I'm a K1 stand account.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's hopeless romantic.

[Ish]

Sure.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mona]

I want us imagine slippers dancing in the kitchen some that needs to kissing while dinner still needs fixing and our phones are some I'm missing. I want side by side. Yes chocolate we can share it Sex

[Ish]

up on the stairs cuz we can't

[Mona]

make it to the bed Gray all in our hair.

[Joe Button]

That is new K1. That is hopeless romantic. Available in your phone and on DSPS right this second. Also Todd Dollar sign has a project coming out soon and he dropped him in these two minute joints. Another two minute joint. Missed you too. This one is with Leon Thomas. Like to hear it. It goes a little Something like.

[Ish]

You.

[Mona]

Want them double ccc all of a curse. Promise you never leave me. I'mma give you just what you deserve.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She want shopping, spree, one up, all that.

[Ish]

Every sh. Your brat.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

She did be throwing a fit

[Joe Button]

club.

[Mona]

I'm trying to make it easy with me, you know I miss you. You miss me too. So we can do whatever you want to do. I'm talking. I talking to you, baby. I mean it Crazy.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mona]

Talking to you, baby. I miss you.

[Joe Button]

What do y' all see the Leon Thomas tear coming to an end anytime soon?

[Ish]

Alone.

[Keith]

So tough.

[Joe Button]

No, it. That's kind of crazy. It is. It is. Shout out to Ty Dolla. Leon Thomas.

[Keith]

Word.

[Joe Button]

What else, what else, what else, what else?

[Ish]

Else?

[Joe Button]

I don't think we. I don't think there's anything else that needs our attention.

[Keith]

I think we hit everything up there.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At least Mark ain't tell us about Prince Andrews. But that's it.

[Keith]

Oh, that's true.

[Ish]

Prince Andrew was arrested. He's the first member of the senior kind of official in the. In the royal family or the crown to be criminal charged in decades. You know, the British Royal family's been protected by law and by custom for so long. So this is a big deal that he's being arrested. He's being arrested because of his connection to something that's in the Epstein files, particularly an underage girl who says that he was part of the process of tracking trafficking. Excuse me, her. She died by suicide last year. It's an ugly story and it's getting uglier. So, you know, I think Prince Andrew's not the last name you're going to hear. It's not the first name you're going to hear. I think it's only going to get more and more bad as more stuff comes out. So just be prepared, not just here, not just in the uk but also here in the United States to see some of your favorites and maybe some of your not so favorites get implicated.

[Mona]

Do you think that his birthday.

[Keith]

Do you think that anybody in the United States will face those kind of consequences?

[Joe Button]

Because.

[Ish]

Unlikely.

[Keith]

I'm leery of it.

[Ish]

It's unlikely. Yeah. No, I think you'll see more civil and court of public opinion stuff.

[Mona]

I don't know what you call that, but the fact that she committed suicide last year, three kids and her husband. If anybody, if anybody deserves justice, it got to be her. Cuz she. She was advocating for herself hard for years. Right to the. To the. Right to the tip and nothing would happen over and over and over and she finally gives up. That's up.

[Ish]

Yeah, it is up. The whole thing is ugly, man. It's heartbreaking to watch and to What? And again, at the bottom of this is not Democrat or Republican. At the bottom is. It's just very, very powerful people.

[Keith]

Sick monsters.

[Ish]

Yeah. Who are sick monsters.

[Joe Button]

Rich.

[Ish]

Yeah. Who don't care about nobody else. And so if you're expecting a barrel of Democrats or barrel of Republicans or a barrel of, you know, it's gonna be all. It's gonna be all of them. Yeah.

[Mona]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

It ain't a party. It's not. It's not a. There's no particular type of person here other than, like you said, sick fucking people who have always power and no expectation ever being held accountable.

[Mona]

Get this man some water.

[Keith]

He's fasting.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So who?

[Mona]

Joe?

[Keith]

No, Mark.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mark.

[Mona]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Go Joe.

[Mona]

Too Joe. Joe's fasted too.

[Keith]

Medically fasted.

[Mona]

He's swimming in his hoodie. He's. This motherfucker's disappearing in front of.

[Joe Button]

Just outro music. Y' all relax.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just trying to listen. I'm trying to hear what it is.

[Joe Button]

It's funny. I like Dababy song on his album with this bop. Yeah, this is off Raheem's album. I like this. With this bop. I like these bops. I just didn't love that Drake sexy red record. It worked. He was on to something.

[Keith]

Yeah, that worked.

[Joe Button]

He was on to something with the bop. All right, man, we are out of here. Until next time. Keep us in your prayers until next time we bid you a do farewell out of your hasta la vista, Au revoir, so long, goodbye Or a simple head nod will suffice. Remember life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them things, grab you a tie, you may need it. Weekend plans? Anybody? People with their phones out? Any weekend plans?

[Ish]

I will be. Where will I be on Sunday? I will be in Savannah, Georgia. So. Or Saturday. Excuse me. Savannah, Georgia. So please make sure you check me out there. If you're in Savannah, there's a big public event there. Check it out for Black History Month.

[Joe Button]

Got it. Got it. Got it. Mona, what you on this weekend? Anything?

[Mona]

I'm off. I'm so tired.

[Joe Button]

Oh, you going to finally get some rest?

[Mona]

Yeah. Please let me get some rest.

[Joe Button]

Good, good, good. Newer couch, man.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Shorty got this galentine she going to. And the kids is going, so I got the house to myself.

[Joe Button]

Hey, with the dorm, it's once a year.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't wait. My.

[Joe Button]

You get your good barks.

[Ish]

What?

[Keith]

It's my man's birthday party. I'm going to go go to his little party and that's. That's it. That's it. No, no major plans.

[Joe Button]

Good, good. I'll be in the Nick game tonight. See if we can get redemption against the rockets.

[Ish]

Oh, nice.

[Joe Button]

And that's about it. Staying inside, prepping for this snow. They say it's coming on Sunday and Monday.

[Mona]

What?

[Joe Button]

Staying in, staying warm.

[Ish]

Yo, get your groceries.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You think Tory would do over one of these?

[Mona]

Yeah, this is.

[Joe Button]

I already know. What? Tori do one of these.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all I'm hearing. I'm just.

[Joe Button]

Actually, Tori put one out, too. Super bass. Oh, I didn't super base. Tory Lane absolutely smoked it. So y' all hold it down out there, man. Till next time.

[Ish]

Hey, wait a minute.

[Joe Button]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

[Ish]

a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Mona]

Nowhere.

[Joe Button]

You've never heard of Joe Button? Jbp.

[Mona]

Jbp. Where would you be without the jbp?

[Joe Button]

We'll fold that up right now.