Episode 914 | "Cult Fish"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 914 | "Cult Fish"

Date: March 25, 2026

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Overview

In Episode 914, "Cult Fish," Joe Budden and his crew dive into a spirited, wide-ranging conversation full of jokes, heartfelt moments, cultural commentary, and debates on everything from the state of hip-hop battles to messy celebrity gossip, awkward encounters, and the nuances of adult relationships. The episode’s anchor is the recent GQ interview with Jay Z—which sparks major discussion about hip-hop culture, rivalry, and maturity. The crew also weighs in on everything from hilarious Justin Timberlake arrest footage and Shaka Khan vs. Mary J. Blige, to personal moments about relationships and regrets.

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Cast

• Joe Budden (Host)
• Big Freeze / Ice
• Dr. Dark Lamont Hill / Dr. Lamont Hill
• Malcolm Sex Ish / Ish
• Mark
• Erickson
• Supporting/Remote Crew: Parks, White Poe, Black Corey, Tanner, Savon

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Opening Banter & Warm-up (00:29–8:29)

• Playful jokes about fashion (bedazzled clothes, glasses), spring break mishaps, and parenting struggles.
  • Memorable moment: Mark details mistakenly dropping his son off at the wrong camp and improvising a solution by enrolling him in a new school on the fly. (02:29-03:43)
  • Light-hearted roasting about “Malcolm sex” attire, color-coordinated fits, and cold weather complaints.
  • Commentary on black men giving and receiving compliments, and generational barriers to vulnerability.
    • “We can’t just say that, we gotta do all the other…” (07:03, Mark/Erickson/Freeze)

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2. Rest in Peace to OnlyFans Founder, Queue Anxiety for Jay Z Show (08:29–15:03)

• OnlyFans founder passes away:

  • “Rest in peace to the founder of OnlyFans. Don’t worry. The content’s gonna keep coming.” – Mark (08:33)
  • The guys debate the paranoia and pressure that comes with vast wealth, referencing the founder’s $6.7B estate.

• Jay Z concert ticket panic:

  • Hilarious stories of trying—and failing—to secure tickets, lamenting the infamous queue system.
  • “You stood in line with 816,000 people trying to get Jay Z tickets.” – Mark confronting Joe on “pretending” to be among the masses (09:54)
  • Sidebar about health, age, and immune systems in the crew—more classic roast material.

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3. Jay Z’s GQ Interview: Hip-Hop Battles, Social Media, & Maturity (31:39–54:03)

The Heart of the Episode

• Jay Z GQ Interview Analysis (39:39–54:03)

  • Discussion of Jay Z’s take on the Kendrick vs. Drake beef, hip-hop competitive spirit, and the dangers of social media amplifying conflict.
  • Crew splits on whether battle rap culture is being ruined by internet culture or if it’s just as it ever was.
  • Notable quote—Jay Z via Malcolm Sex Ish (from GQ):
    “We love the excitement and the sparring…but in this day and age, there’s so much negative stuff that comes with it…you almost wish it didn’t happen.” (32:32–34:48)

• Debate: Has hip-hop matured or softened; are elements like breakdancing and graffiti "dead"?

  • Some crew members push back on Jay Z’s claim that key elements are gone; others say mainstreaming has changed everything.
  • “I cannot accept that from Jay Z…as an art collector…just hearing Nas writers, I can’t…” – Joe (44:39)
  • They credit GQ’s interviewer (Frazier Tharpe) for being well-researched and pressing Jay on challenging questions.

• Maturity & Reflection:

  • The crew agrees that it’s important for legends to show maturity and model evolving past old beefs, but argue about what the right balance of pride, ego, and cultural essence should be.

• The Jay Z Album Rumor Mill:

  • Is a new album coming? The consensus: Eventually, but not likely this year based on Jay’s own uncertainty in the GQ interview (30:03–31:45).
    • “Nothing in that interview made me think there’s an album coming.” – Mark (30:03)
    • “Life is about memories and moments. But ten grand for a ticket…nah.” – Mark (25:23)

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4. J. Cole & Jay Z Drama, Interview Recaps (58:04–64:44)

• Possible Tension Between Jay Z & J. Cole:

  • The crew dissects Jay Z’s remarks indicating that Cole had to find his own way, and debate whether behind-the-scenes business is all good.
    • "I tried to guide you this way. You didn't want to listen... and now, you’re where you wanted to be." – Mark/Dr. Dark Lamont (59:52–60:17)

• Nadeska & Cam’ron J. Cole interviews:

  • Brief reaction—crew happy for both hosts/interviewers, but feel there wasn’t much new revealed.
    • “I think those are the two interviews he needs to do…go do the shit.” – Joe (64:44)

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5. Justin Timberlake Arrest Video – Letdown for the Crew (72:34–78:56)

• Expectations Subverted:
  • The highly anticipated JT arrest video drops—no deleted scenes or cracking under police pressure; just a bland drunk driving bust.
    • “I was let down…he was just regular drunk, talking slow drunk.” – Joe (73:39)
    • “He didn’t drop the ‘I’m Justin Timberlake’ soon enough…” – Mark (74:12)
  • The crew swaps tales of their own run-ins with police and how being “recognizable” plays out.
    • “You pull out your face card, huh?” – Joe (82:02)

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6. Mary J. Blige vs. Chaka Khan – Auntie Honesty, Grace, & the OGs (90:20–98:55)

• Mary’s Old School Vocal Lesson:
  • Mary J. Blige’s story of an older singer critiquing her singing and style—revealed by internet sleuths to be Chaka Khan, who’s also quoted on-air saying Mary’s “Sweet Thing” vocals were flat.
  • “Don’t say, ‘Were you up all night smoking crack?’” – Dr. Dark Lamont Hill (94:20)
  • Conversation on OGs’ delivery of “tough love” and whether it’s needed or outdated.

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7. Relationship/Personal Confessions: Regrets & Denials (103:27–116:41)

• Lying About Past "Bodies":
  • Hilarious, honest discussion of how many people the crew would "deny" ever sleeping with, and how adult regrets and standards change over time.
    • “At what point is somebody able to lie about some of the bodies they left behind?” – Joe (103:41)
• Discussing past partners with current partners:
  • Mixed answers; most agree transparency is good, but plenty of awkward stories abound.

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8. Cultural News, Sports & Coach Debates (124:24–129:49)

• “Soft” Generation and Coaching Styles:
  • Flip and Mark discuss a viral coaching video—debating if athletes need intense, even harsh, motivation to excel.
    • “I think this generation is getting soft...sometimes you have to match their intensity.” – Mark (127:24)
  • Consensus: There’s value in tough coaching, especially when built on trust and prior relationship—not just “old school for old school’s sake.”

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9. Entertainment News, Hip-Hop Industry, and More (117:22–138:44)

• French Montana/Swae Lee “Unforgettable” Drama:
  • The Swae Lee/MikeWill/French Montana saga is broken down: industry etiquette on song credits and studio “song hopping.”
• LaRussell Deletes Social Media:
  • Quick take: smart move after online drama (135:43)
• Upcoming Kevin Hart Netflix Roast:
  • Anticipation shares for the event, debates on who are the best roast comedians (Nikki Glazer, Jeff Ross, Jerry Seinfeld).

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10. Listener Letter: “My Body, My Choice” & Relationship Dilemmas (151:31–157:50)

• A man writes in: wife aborted a pregnancy he wanted, now wants tubes tied—should he leave?
  • Crew are empathetic but stress that her bodily autonomy is paramount, and that major reproductive decisions change relationships and need communication.
  • “It’s a real tough time…thoughts and prayers to him.” – Ish (154:24)
  • “If you want a thing and that person doesn’t want that thing anymore…then you have the right to leave.” – Mark (155:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You stood in line with 816,000 people trying to get Jay Z tickets” — (09:54, Mark)
• “We love the excitement and sparring and music you get, but in this day and age, so much negative stuff comes with it—you almost wish it didn’t happen.” — (32:32–34:48, Jay Z/GQ via Malcolm Sex Ish)
• “I cannot accept that from Jay Z…as an art collector…” — (44:39, Joe)
• “Life is about memories and moments. But ten grand for a ticket…nah.” — (25:23, Mark)
• “At what point is somebody able to lie about the bodies they’ve left behind?” — (103:41, Joe)
• “Sometimes, the person is not just speaking about culture—like, you’re not just talking for the culture, you’re above it now.” — (43:39, Joe)
• “You could get shot though—so you have to adjust.” — (53:05, Dr. Dark Lamont)
• “It’s not a right or wrong thing…it’s emotional on both sides.” — (154:30, Ish)

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Flow & Vibe

Tone:

• Playful, irreverent, candid, and often insightful.
• Open roasting and vulnerability go hand-in-hand.
• Strong mix of “barbershop talk,” serious cultural critique, and outrageous stories.

Notably, the episode is anchored by:

• Deep dives into music/hip-hop culture’s maturing and the costs/benefits of competitiveness and social media.
• Raucous, personal confessions and confessional humor—these guys aren’t shy about exposing their own mistakes, insecurities, or hot takes.

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Timestamps for Core Segments

• Intro Banter / Parenting, Compliments: 00:29-08:29
• OnlyFans Founder & Jay Z Queue: 08:29-15:03
• Jay Z GQ Interview Feedback: 31:39-54:03
• J. Cole-Jay Z Behind the Scenes: 58:04-64:44
• Justin Timberlake DUI Video: 72:34-78:56
• Mary J. Blige/Chaka Khan: 90:20-98:55
• Denials & Regrets: 103:27-116:41
• Coaching Generations: 124:24-129:49
• LaRussell Leaves Social/Netflix Roast: 135:43-138:44
• Listener Letter - Relationship Dilemma: 151:31-157:50

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Conclusion

Episode 914 swerves between comedy, nostalgia, careful commentary, and pure wild storytelling. Anchored by the heated and nuanced Jay Z GQ interview breakdown, the crew explores whether modern hip-hop is losing its edge or simply growing up, and whether social media amplifies harm or just reflects it. The pod wraps up with relationship talk, industry gossip, honest regrets, and relentless jokes—reminding listeners why The Joe Budden Podcast holds its unfiltered, essential place in hip-hop and podcast culture.

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Transcript

[Joe Button]

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[Big Freeze]

I beat your love. I'm more than just an option. You look like that, boy.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Look at you.

[Big Freeze]

Look at. Trying to stare off in the sun, boy. Look at us. Look at us, boy. Hey, hey. Don't act like you serious.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I was reading the board, bro.

[Joe Button]

Yo, mellow. Hey, you guys.

[Big Freeze]

What up, y'? All?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What up?

[Erickson]

What's popping?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

How we feeling?

[Joe Button]

Oh, my good. Look at Face. Look at this. Best I ever had.

[Mark]

Face.

[Big Freeze]

Ass, cuz. She hold me down every time I hit her up, boy.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Good day, sir.

[Joe Button]

You look like you. You look like Marvin. Why? You look like you.

[Mark]

Who?

[Joe Button]

The song was about Mad Marvin in the.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, Marvin.

[Joe Button]

Oh, it's good to see y'.

[Big Freeze]

All.

[Erickson]

What's poppin, man?

[Joe Button]

Good to see everybody.

[Big Freeze]

It's good to be here, man.

[Joe Button]

Good to be here.

[Big Freeze]

See my brothers. Y' all look all good. Y' all look all good. Y' all all look good.

[Joe Button]

Y' all look all good.

[Big Freeze]

What's up, man? Got my. He said I was following his. You know what I'm saying? You know, I gotta butcher.

[Erickson]

You had it first.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Big Freeze]

Thank you.

[Joe Button]

Said no one ever.

[Erickson]

I know. This is the one time that it's been said.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if it's true.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

The.

[Erickson]

Nah, he been on the bedazzled.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I mean, Fire.

[Mark]

Now.

[Big Freeze]

He talking about the brand.

[Erickson]

I know the fire.

[Joe Button]

The fire. You think Slip was wearing bedazzles before Joe Button? Repeat that sentence. Repeat that sentence.

[Big Freeze]

All right.

[Erickson]

You're the most bedazzled of us all.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, it's true.

[Joe Button]

You, Bart. You're the most bedazzled.

[Erickson]

You're the most.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I see, man.

[Erickson]

You got it.

[Joe Button]

Look who niggas fight to be. It's got to be first everything. Mark, what's up, man?

[Mark]

Nothing, man.

[Joe Button]

Life is good all the time.

[Mark]

I have no complaints, man.

[Joe Button]

Good, Good.

[Mark]

Yesterday, my wife.

[Erickson]

Why you so calm, man? What's up?

[Mark]

Yeah, I'm just chilling. I'm in a good. I'm in a good. I have a little cold, too, but I was trying to clear my throat, but my wife. My son is off for two weeks. Apparently, his school takes two weeks off.

[Big Freeze]

Shit.

[Mark]

And my wife signed him up for spring Break at camp. Except she didn't sign him up. So when I drove there yesterday and got there, he wasn't on the list.

[Erickson]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Button]

Oh, shit.

[Mark]

So I did everything I could to convince. I tried to. I mean, I was pulling money out my pocket.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you got it.

[Erickson]

You got it.

[Mark]

Take this little motherfucker.

[Big Freeze]

I was like, please.

[Mark]

They weren't having it.

[Erickson]

Damn.

[Mark]

So I spent yesterday trying to find a new place for him for two weeks. So I signed him up.

[Erickson]

Hotel, y'. All.

[Mark]

I signed. I registered him for a whole new school. They think he goes there now. And I signed him up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'll pull him after two weeks.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. And they were like, but you need all I got. A doctor. Yes, I went to a doctor. I got a.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Got everything.

[Mark]

I got immunizations. Whatever I don't have, I'll make up. I dropped them off today. He seemed like he liked it.

[Joe Button]

Nice.

[Mark]

Yeah, I didn't stay long.

[Joe Button]

Crazy.

[Mark]

But, yeah, I dropped him at the door.

[Big Freeze]

You dropped him at the door and drove?

[Mark]

That's crazy. I ain't driving. I gave him all the paperwork and stuff. I gave him the check, but then I was out. I'll tell you what a spot is.

[Joe Button]

I gave him the check.

[Mark]

Yeah. I gave him the paperwork.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Give this to Sister Mary Claire.

[Mark]

Tell you somebody, I'm good for the next two weeks.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo, that spring break shit ain't fair, dawg.

[Mark]

I almost had a heart attack when I brought him to that school yesterday. And they said, nah. Yeah, I feel like it was a little personal, too. I feel like they could have did it.

[Joe Button]

You ain't all pulling money out. Yeah, you ain't pulling enough money.

[Erickson]

That's all that means.

[Joe Button]

And did you have on one of your political hoodies? No.

[Mark]

Shit. I damn near. Yama come that motherfucker. I was like, please take it.

[Joe Button]

Oh, it's only here you do that. Awesome.

[Mark]

I'm wearing a good shirt today. This is a good one. This is uncontroversial. I stand with Sudan. Who doesn't stand with Sudan?

[Big Freeze]

Yo, he crazy. He get a shirt. That's how he do it. He wear the shirt. He figured it out. We asked about it. Then he get to say the shit

[Joe Button]

that I just learned where Sudan is. Me, too.

[Mark]

Well, it's a civil war. That's the point. So, like, saying you stand with Sudan don't mean nothing.

[Joe Button]

He tricked it.

[Erickson]

He tricked us.

[Joe Button]

It's like when I go to my girl about something that's been on my mind, and somehow it flips into like, I saw this Trap, like, how did this happen?

[Mark]

Shout out to the people of Sudan.

[Joe Button]

Yes, indeed. There you go. Yes, Mark. And the people in your lovely Jersey neighborhood that you're going to your rich suburb that you live in. This guy's degree.

[Mark]

That's where I strategize, Joe. They'll never find me there.

[Joe Button]

Flip it up, man.

[Big Freeze]

I'm chilling. Man with a revolution.

[Joe Button]

Is you really keeping this Malcolm sex look going through? Like, are you gonna go through the spring with it?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't even know what you're talking about.

[Joe Button]

You bodied ahrii with it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Stop.

[Joe Button]

Don't be stupid with me, niggas.

[Big Freeze]

Me?

[Joe Button]

You bodied Ahrii with this look. Your DMs was on fire.

[Erickson]

Nah, he was a little more buttoned up on Ahrii, I thought.

[Joe Button]

Nah, the glasses.

[Erickson]

Oh, the glasses.

[Joe Button]

The glasses. The Malcolm sex look on Ari. The cold switching, fingers crossed. Cold switch.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I love J Elect, but not like you like, that shit worked. Your DM's lit on fire. You was hot. Then you. Then you did it again. You came in again with these glasses on, so.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And I know you came here with the glasses first.

[Joe Button]

And you came to my birthday dinner in these glasses. That's where you debuted. Soft launch.

[Mark]

Soft launch for sure.

[Joe Button]

So I want to know if you keeping this thing going through the spring and through the summer, it is becoming.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think I'm wearing glasses for the rest of my days.

[Joe Button]

Oh, on earth. Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

You don't wear contacts anymore. Yeah, you gotta wear double.

[Erickson]

You got both of.

[Big Freeze]

Damn it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I wanna see everything in 3D.

[Big Freeze]

Nigga, take them contacts out. Your eyes, boy.

[Mark]

They look good, though. I like that.

[Big Freeze]

You look nice.

[Erickson]

I like that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Thank you, sir.

[Big Freeze]

Like this whole outfit. Like, you look good.

[Joe Button]

You niggas. That's blind. Like, y' all blind while y' all fucking too.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, what's your point, though? And that's the.

[Erickson]

That's the other senses get heightened.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you don't need eyes for that.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, he 50. He get headaches quick.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Find that in the dark.

[Big Freeze]

Nah, he get headaches quick. Hey, yo, honey, I'm dizzy. Oh, oh, let me take a second. The room is spinning. Come on, get your together.

[Joe Button]

Hopefully

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I ain't mad at that.

[Joe Button]

Well, you look good, man.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Thank you, sir.

[Big Freeze]

Shout out to you ish.

[Mark]

How come we can never just say that? What?

[Erickson]

It's more fun because he don't exist

[Big Freeze]

because we black men, right?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You got to do all the other.

[Big Freeze]

He don't accept it. We was giving him compliments.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He don't like that.

[Big Freeze]

The looking up, acting like he's squared at the board.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's. That's what you call what you was doing. That's his point.

[Joe Button]

And why you cream head to toe, like, what's going on? You look like the eraser on the good pencil.

[Mark]

Yeah,

[Joe Button]

you look like a Timberland cleaner. What the fuck is up with this dude?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The Timberland cleaner.

[Joe Button]

God damn.

[Mark]

This is better than comic.

[Joe Button]

It is the Timberland cleaner.

[Big Freeze]

You didn't buy that separate. You ain't buy that. You bought that together like on the mannequin. You ain't buy that separate. You ain't like, just buy the top. And they said, let me find some sneakers to match. Boy, boy, boy.

[Joe Button]

You know, he met some girl that working New Balance. Gave her his info. 900 hours on the phone.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's what it was.

[Joe Button]

A website. Gave her the website.

[Erickson]

He just did this with the glasses on.

[Joe Button]

He's network bae.

[Erickson]

He just did this.

[Joe Button]

Network. Network bae. Gonna find something to network about sneakers and suit. No, no, no, no, no. Not just that. No, no, no, no, no. Not just sneakers in the suit. Oh, my God. Oh. All right. We got a good show lined up for you. I'm a little sad today. Why look a little sad?

[Erickson]

What's going on, bro?

[Mark]

Oh, I know why.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Rest in peace to the founder of Only fans. Don't worry. The content's gonna keep coming.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They got another CEO right now.

[Joe Button]

Look what you think? Well, that is something to be sad about. Rest in peace to Duke.

[Erickson]

Yeah. He did it. He did it big.

[Joe Button]

Who gets that operation? Oh, my Lord. Kids is having a blast. That's up to say, right? That's bad to say.

[Erickson]

Nah, Rest in peace.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Button]

Rest in peace. Thoughts and prayers, but, boy, does he leave a fucking fortune.

[Mark]

6.7 billion.

[Joe Button]

You get worth enough, you gotta get paranoid. Even the kids. Fuck that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, dog. I be scared of the water you drink in restaurants, all that shit. It's a different type of money, nigga.

[Joe Button]

Nobody trying to poison you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I ain't got 6.7.

[Joe Button]

Actually, let me stop. I ain't fucking way up today. What was I saying? All right. OnlyFans. No. Why am I sad? Oh, cause of that Q. Oh, yeah,

[Erickson]

That Q was A. It's over.

[Joe Button]

I saw that Q. Let me get this podcast started. I saw that Q and was like, you know what, Joe?

[Erickson]

Start begging.

[Mark]

Joe is a liar. That's what I'm going to say right now. What you.

[Big Freeze]

He can get it, but the. The is going on. Mark, you try to go in there. No Are you waiting to go through him?

[Mark]

No, I was going to get my own tickets. What I'm saying is all this Joe talking about poor people. No, Joe always. Oh, the pores be logging in, doing all this. Oh, my God. You guys standing. Oh, you guys do this? You stood in line with 816,000 people trying to get Jay Z tickets.

[Erickson]

No, he did not.

[Mark]

No, of course he didn't. And you never were planning to. You don't do that shit. You clown people to do shit like that. Oh, fuck.

[Big Freeze]

You tricked me. Made me feel sad.

[Mark]

You clown niggas to do regular shit, like buy groceries.

[Big Freeze]

No, he clowned.

[Mark]

You made for us for having a cold.

[Big Freeze]

He clowning.

[Joe Button]

N, that's with niggas. No, I clown y' all for y' all having extremely poor immune systems as you age, you. And ish like y' all sick every other day, dawg.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And four years ago, five years ago, so were you.

[Joe Button]

Not like this.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You were. Nigga, we remember when Lex was going to school and you was coming in arguing about the dirty ass kids, quote, unquote. That keep getting you sick.

[Joe Button]

Not like this, though. I know you and Mark, y' all be sick.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not sick. But I hear you, though.

[Joe Button]

Are you just congested?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not congested either. It's all right, though, dog. I remember you coming in here coughing up a lung.

[Joe Button]

And then y' all don't call out when you sick either. Y' all come right in and spread the germs.

[Mark]

That's what you want now?

[Joe Button]

Yes, that's what I want now.

[Mark]

Let us call out because we got a germ. Look, okay, but you got a strong immune system, so you won't get the germs anyway.

[Joe Button]

Well, that's facts.

[Mark]

Yeah, we good.

[Joe Button]

Immune system built like a man. The fuck are you talking about? I don't remember what we were talking about.

[Mark]

You were pretending that you were upset about.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I was upset about the queue. Oh, let me get up, man. Yeah, I was upset about the queue. Not that I was going to go in there, but if it were a reasonable number, then I would have went in there and waited in line.

[Mark]

What's reasonable?

[Joe Button]

3, 27, 100, something like that. I thought he might have sent out a code to some family and friends to be able to purchase early.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That was yesterday. That was yesterday.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I know. By the time I saw it, that shit said 800,099. I was like, you know what? Nah, I might just watch it from home, nigga.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I got it with Nicole yesterday. It was One ticket left on a riser on stage. And I just. Before I could even click to see how much that ticket was, it was gone. It disappeared. Gone. They said no tickets.

[Mark]

You was gonna go without your girl.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It was one ticket left, if need be, on the stage.

[Mark]

What were you gonna do with said ticket?

[Erickson]

I bought that bitch.

[Joe Button]

It was one ticket left my n.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What you want me to do?

[Joe Button]

This is home. Would you go? Would you go without your.

[Big Freeze]

My name is Freeze. How he never come over to the RE's facts.

[Joe Button]

Freeze.

[Erickson]

Take it easy.

[Mark]

The same on Saturday. I was playing Reasonable Doubt in front of my wife over and over. I said, yeah, this don't even sound good live. Do it. She's like, no. And we got to, like, set 10. I was like, yeah, I might just go with my homies by myself, you know? I mean, by myself, you don't want to go nowhere. And then she saw the fake out, so now she want to go to the blueprint show.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So that's the one I want to go to anyway.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah. You getting tickets, Mark? You got.

[Erickson]

You.

[Big Freeze]

Got you.

[Mark]

Yeah, I'm getting tickets at least one of the shows, probably both. Just to say I went. You going too, ain't you?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, but I'm doing other. I'm going other routes I'm taking. I'm taking another route to go.

[Erickson]

What you gonna do?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, about to say, well, sneak in again. Sneak in.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna call some straight.

[Big Freeze]

At least I can call somebody ish. I don't gotta pretend I don't have. Hello, Mark.

[Joe Button]

Nah, man, did get him in, you know. You know, I just call, man, yo, if she could.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I ain't too proud to be like, yo, word, facts.

[Big Freeze]

You were ill plus one, so you good.

[Joe Button]

So ask me kindly like that.

[Big Freeze]

He'll never ask you that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Never.

[Joe Button]

Can't go.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He'll stop listening.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying, like, you would ask Mandy.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't ask, man, you want to

[Mark]

go to blah, blah, blah, I got tickets. I'll be like, yeah, I didn't ask anybody. But if she said, I have an extra ticket, would you say, can I go? No.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

If she's telling me, yo, I got an extra ticket to something, she telling me for a reason, and would you

[Mark]

follow up and ask?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No. She'll be like, yo, do you wanna go, my nigga? If I call Mark and say, yo, yo, I got an extra ticket to the blah, blah, blah, and I'm insinuating that, yo, would you like the ticket?

[Joe Button]

I got an extra ticket, would you like to go? With me?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Sure. How you feel?

[Joe Button]

What time should I pick you up?

[Erickson]

You don't have to.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Where that shit you like.

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Hey,

[Joe Button]

hey, what time? Hey, send me your Meet me at

[Big Freeze]

the stop side ass.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Now is a celebration.

[Joe Button]

Got that verses this Thursday Got that verses tomorrow. Mic check, 1, 2, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2', 1, 2. All wait for the ladies all wait for the ladies Big Jersey, whole New York City. What up out there? West Coast, west coast. What up out there? All the subgroups, all the patronies. What's going on?

[Mark]

What's going on out there?

[Joe Button]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Yeah, man. Some of y' all know what I did on that upper deck when the pool party ended, when Joe had the aux, man. Some of y' all know who controlled the music during the vi. Happy after party after everybody left, man, come on, stop playing. Whole dmv. What up out there? Boston, Connecticut, Delaware? What's going on out there? Philly, what up? Phil up, what up? I got a Florida chip in my future at some point.

[Erickson]

Once this small, get over with.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, I got to do it. They told me it was 90 degrees in LA the other day, man. I ain't going to be out here playing with these New Yorkers, these Tri State people. Hey, hey, hey. Yes, sir.

[Erickson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Button]

Yes, sir. Yeah. I mean, spring vibes only. I mean, I'm about ready for a cookout or something. Nice little R B party, a kickback or something like that. Nice little house party or something like that. A hookah lounge or something. Yeah, I mean, one of the private social clubs and all that. Everybody in Atlanta, what's going on out there. Everybody in the nightlife, All the patroles, all the subgroups out there. Yeah. I mean, music is a love language. Don't you ever forget it. Shout out to the whole podcast community out there. Launch with Newark 9 to fivers. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute now. This record, got it done on a lot of nights. I'm not going to lie. On a lot of nights, they got it done. Vibe with me, Vibe with me. You want to call me here? We got a great show lined up for y' all today, man.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I mean, all the colleges out there, all the Texas, what's going on out there. I see me.

[Erickson]

Just to say how much it means to me.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to everybody fighting in those airports. I see you. I feel for you. My heart goes out to y' all out there. Your pre check means nothing. Your clear means nothing. I got my wish. I got what I asked for. With the Justin Timberlake. Yes, the Justin Timberlake footage that came out. What a disappointment, you know?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You know, I was begging. I was begging for it.

[Erickson]

What a disappointment.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. I mean, yeah, it was.

[Mark]

I want to talk about it.

[Joe Button]

It was. Don't touch that down, man. We got a great show lined up for y'.

[Big Freeze]

All.

[Joe Button]

Keep this applause going for the best crew on earth. Let's go. Let me get these drops out the way right quick.

[Mark]

It's just.

[Erickson]

It's park.

[Mark]

It's parked. New icy.

[Joe Button]

What's that? It's Mark.

[Erickson]

New Flip.

[Joe Button]

And I still don't have my flip drop, and I'm. And I'm not going to look for that episode. So I need Flip to just do the drop for me so I can put the cool effect on it.

[Big Freeze]

But what do you want me to say?

[Joe Button]

We'll talk off here. I'm going give you the drop. We go. Gonna do the drop and record the drop.

[Big Freeze]

The people. I've been lying about that. I thought it was something light, but.

[Joe Button]

No, it's not light. It's very important to the people and myself. It's not nothing to sleep on. It's been long enough. No, it's. No, it's been long enough.

[Big Freeze]

I can't wait. I appreciate it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

No, it's been too long talking, bro.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm supporting you, bro.

[Big Freeze]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Too long and too important to this broadcast. We're not doing that. We're not playing like that. What episode is this?

[Erickson]

914.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 914 of the JOE Button Podcast. Brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Sponsored by Prize Picks Prize Picks. G. I am your humble, gracious, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with a few very amazing people to my right. Queens get the money. You know the vibes. Queens flip in the building. How you doing, man?

[Mark]

I'm good.

[Joe Button]

I love y'.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

All.

[Big Freeze]

I'm happy to be here. Let's get to work, man.

[Joe Button]

Happy to have you. Next to him, Philly's finest, our good brother Dr. Dark, Lamont Hill is in the building. Mark, how you doing? Great, great, great, great, great, good. Absolutely love that. Next to him, Mr. Fucking Cream of Weed himself, Mr. Thousand Jordan.

[Big Freeze]

What's that white nigga on the cream of Mr.

[Joe Button]

Thousand. Doors and up, our good brother Malcolm Sex Ish is in the building. Ish. How you doing, man? Good, sir. Good, good. I couldn't be better. Next to him, the freeziest of them all. You know, the vibes, Big Freeze. Ice is in the building.

[Big Freeze]

Ice.

[Joe Button]

How you doing, man?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Great, great. Glad to be here. Let's ready to get to it.

[Joe Button]

Good. Absolutely love that next to him. Yep, it's popping. Elmira's finest big parks is in the building. White Poe is in the building. Black Corey is here. Erickson is here. Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys out there are here.

[Erickson]

Gang.

[Mark]

Gang.

[Joe Button]

Now, who do I have to rob to get in this Jay Z concert?

[Erickson]

Very good question.

[Joe Button]

I'm getting tickets, but I don't know how. I'm not calling Fat Joe. I'm not calling Linny. S Bleak.

[Erickson]

Guru, help us out, Guru.

[Joe Button]

I don't know how it's gonna happen. I'm not waiting in any queue. And hopefully some of the feelers I put out there will respond and get me situated.

[Erickson]

I think this 15 minute block of us begging has been

[Joe Button]

cool with begging a little bit more.

[Erickson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Because I already looked on the resale site.

[Erickson]

Not happening.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'll beg a little bit more before.

[Mark]

How much I'm looking at right now?

[Erickson]

I sold over 12. 12 something.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

4,000.

[Mark]

Is that the floor joint? The little. The step, the riser. The riser.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The actual field floor. I'm looking at four grand. Five grand per ticket.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, and that's in the back of the floor? That's the back of the floor, though. That ain't up front.

[Big Freeze]

That ain't the side, you know, so

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

something like little 7500.

[Mark]

Exactly. You rich.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Said awesome.

[Mark]

I think it sound like you should just flex and get the whole crew tank.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It said awesome.

[Joe Button]

I won't be doing that. I won't be doing that at all. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that one.

[Big Freeze]

But if we in there can meet up. Was you saying?

[Joe Button]

I didn't say that neither. Don't meet up with me if we in there. Just enjoy the show. Enjoy the show.

[Mark]

$5,000. I don't want to see your button.

[Big Freeze]

Y' all is crazy.

[Mark]

I meet up with nobody.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't know you.

[Mark]

I don't nobody.

[Big Freeze]

Right?

[Mark]

What the I look like I'm letting

[Joe Button]

y' all know I'm getting in there by hook or by crook. We. It's either going to be the legal, legit way or it's gonna be mobb deep, infamous way.

[Mark]

Old school way.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, old school. CNN war report. But I'm gonna be in there.

[Erickson]

I'm gonna just find a building over somewhere and sit on the roof.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Erickson]

It.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that would be fun.

[Mark]

Let me Ask y' all a question. If they stream this and it's. And it's a reasonable fee, 50, 100, whatever, would y' all still. Would y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Mark]

Would that make you less inclined to go?

[Erickson]

No, no, but I would be okay with that as a, like, last resort.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's a feeling that you get when you're in the concert.

[Erickson]

Certain ones, yeah.

[Mark]

Especially cold.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You can't match that.

[Mark]

You know what else is a good feeling? Keeping $10,000 in your pocket.

[Erickson]

You ain't lying.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, dog.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

If it's 10 grand, I won't be. I won't be. I'm not my.

[Joe Button]

Well, it'll be about.

[Big Freeze]

It'll be expensive.

[Joe Button]

It's going to be.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not paying ten grand for two tickets, B. To nobody.

[Joe Button]

I'll pay ten grand for one ticket.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not doing that either. It could be to the.

[Big Freeze]

To.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

To Jesus coming back. I'mma miss that one.

[Joe Button]

Well, you.

[Mark]

Yeah. And if you pay 5, you're going to be sitting close to Jesus because you going to be at the top of the stage and that's. I want pay 5. Exactly that.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, Moses. That's you word.

[Mark]

I'm good.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mark]

No.

[Joe Button]

Who'd you call, Mark? You call somebody from Roc Nation? Like how you look rather comfortable during. Yeah, he look confident.

[Mark]

You got people in places.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

My man got some tickets. He paid Dash. Dash got tickets. He called me.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He only paid 750 or $1,000. He said he down low too. Pause.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Dash probably waited in that queue after 2 million people, right?

[Mark]

Maybe he should resell them. He can reset. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Oh, the discipline it took not to text somebody this morning. It did take a lot of discipline.

[Mark]

Why don't you just go to like one of second market sites and just buy them?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You call it discipline?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, my boy. Yeah.

[Mark]

Is that ego?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's not discipline.

[Big Freeze]

Eo.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You took the words off my mouth. It's ego.

[Joe Button]

I don't think it's ego.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Why.

[Big Freeze]

Come on, Justin.

[Joe Button]

To not do that this morning.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Why is that? Ego? You have relationships with people.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying I'm against doing it.

[Erickson]

I think it's cool.

[Mark]

I was doing it.

[Joe Button]

Doing it today. There's a way to do it.

[Erickson]

I got you.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying I'm above doing it or I'm not going to do it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Soon as tickets go on sale, you want a phone call

[Big Freeze]

in a while.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That look a little crazy.

[Joe Button]

That's just not the way that that should be done.

[Erickson]

First day is crazy.

[Mark]

That's not What I was talking about, I was saying ego is because you could just afford to buy the tickets online. Do you not want to buy them online as. Because you got so much influence? Like, I'm not paying tick. I'm getting.

[Joe Button]

No, it's not that. Even if I text somebody, I'm texting somebody to give me the point person. The person that has the reserve. He buys the reserve joints. I'm buying mine. Yeah. I'm not looking for no freebie. Oh, you know, I'm buying mine.

[Big Freeze]

Where you got that from? Like, you're one of the only niggas that I see that, that does that. I watched plenty of events where you say, yo, give me the point person. I'll pay tickets for me and my peoples. I've heard you heard you do that.

[Erickson]

I pay for tickets, too. I don't give a fuck.

[Big Freeze]

No, I'm not. I'm saying. I'm just talking about with him, his position. He could just. Just get it for free, but he chooses.

[Erickson]

I could get a lot of tickets for free, and I just. I prefer to buy it. I don't want to.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, so when you get.

[Erickson]

It's a wisdom of a favor. First of all.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

For sure.

[Erickson]

Like, if it's not going to kill me to buy tickets if they're reasonable to buy.

[Big Freeze]

Got it.

[Mark]

This is the one to call in,

[Erickson]

though, if I can't find them to buy. Yeah.

[Mark]

This is the favor to call in. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm not what you think.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Free.

[Joe Button]

Free.

[Big Freeze]

You going.

[Joe Button]

Just get it right.

[Big Freeze]

Freeze. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Mark]

Some.

[Big Freeze]

Just some. Use that favor.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Mark]

I don't.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It don't be a favorite. Yo, fam. What's reasonable? Reasonable is relative.

[Erickson]

It is.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And no pun intended. I doubt if I'll be going there

[Joe Button]

if them shits is.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You crazy.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not paying bills.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark]

No 700. You'll pay face value.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I might even pay a little over face. I might pay double face. I'm not gonna be paying no 10 grand for no taxi. I'm not paying super bowl prices for a car concert. My.

[Erickson]

That part. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Well, me and Mark will tell y' all all about it.

[Big Freeze]

No doubt.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'll lift to y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Joe Button]

I'll FaceTime one of y', all, too. Like, what's your favorite joint? I won't. Excuse me, miss. When. Excuse me, miss. Come on. I'll FaceTime you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Big Freeze]

I got you.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm not above that, y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Joe Button]

My stupid. Yo, stupid Joe.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Guess what's? Gonna happen the next second day day. The whole concert going to be on YouTube, and I'mma be $10,000 richer, and I'll take that. Okay.

[Erickson]

N. I want to see some good quality.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm here for good cameras now, B. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Can't take that with me.

[Mark]

And the energy in the room is worth it.

[Big Freeze]

I know.

[Joe Button]

Life is about memories and moments.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's not worth ten grand. Mark.

[Mark]

I'm with you on that. The Roots picnic, y'.

[Big Freeze]

All.

[Mark]

Y' all might want to change your. All y' all talking in Philly jokes. Y' all gonna be eating water pretensions

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

with no shoes on.

[Joe Button]

Okay, so we got the Hughes Jay Z GQ interview. Who here still believes that we are not getting a Jay Z project this year?

[Erickson]

Oh, I kind of. That interview made me feel like he's not there yet.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he's not there. Yeah, I think he kind of. Like I said, he's been working on music, and he ain't found any. Like, I don't think we getting a project.

[Mark]

Like I told y', all, like I

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

said, I hope I'm wrong, but I still do not. Nothing in that interview made me think there's an album coming.

[Erickson]

I'm not gonna lie. I was. I was thinking the album was coming through 25 minutes of that interview. But when he got to, like, I'm not really sure how I want to sound in 2026 or whatever he was saying, I was like, oh, yeah, he's not. He's not there.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Unless y' all just think he lying. But I. I said I didn't think album was coming, and the interview gets confirmed. Oh, you think he's lying? He human.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I know. Call him hov. He's still human, but that got music coming, bro.

[Mark]

I just don't think it's anytime soon.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Soon.

[Mark]

I'm not saying he's never making an album.

[Joe Button]

Well, when they asked him about why he didn't feature on the Clips album, and he was like, well, I think my first words need to come from me. Yeah, that to me, confirmed something is coming at some point for sure. But he's all.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like I said before, he does that in a verse. He do that when he feeling something or he got some to get off his chest, he'll go do.

[Joe Button]

But when you say it's gonna come from me, that takes it away from feature verse.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying a feature verse. Like, even. Like he did when he had his opinion about how everybody was talking about title. He did that as a freestyle on the stage at. I think it was the B side show. Like, he can get his point off in a verse without it being an

[Mark]

album he just released. Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't. Nothing says album. That's all I'm saying. I think he got a lot to say, and I don't think a verse is going to cover everything that he has to say over the last. What. When was 444 came out.

[Mark]

2016.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Date a few.

[Mark]

He had albums since then. He did. He did the Carters.

[Joe Button]

J. Yeah.

[Mark]

Then stop.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Mark]

He's so disrespectful, man. I used to be so disrespectful. But so. So I'm thinking still nothing's coming out this year. I think maybe fourth quarter. But I. I don't think. I don't think an album is being timed with the concerts was sort of the point. Like, I don't think, like, these. These concerts is coming out. You going to see a Jay Z album coming out that time? I could be wrong. Like ice.

[Big Freeze]

I hope I'm wrong.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I would love to be wrong.

[Big Freeze]

Can't wait.

[Joe Button]

All right, so Hov sat with Frazier for GQ and did an interview that all of these clips released on the day we're recording. Somebody up There Loves Us. Somebody up There Loves Us. They asked him about a bunch of shit. His name being dragged through the mud for the last year. They asked him about the battle, which seems to have people in a. In a tidbit, in a frenzy about it.

[Erickson]

Super bowl album plans. A lot was covered. And I do want to shout out Frazier, the Thorpe from gq. He absolutely bodied this interview. Really good questions, had insightful questions, had quotes from lyrics just off the cuff. It seems like well researched.

[Joe Button]

He bodied that shout out to Frazier. Here we go. Here's a clip. And I'm asking about the Kendrick and Drake beef.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

We love the excitement and I love the. The sparring and the music you get. But in this day and age, it's so much negative stuff that comes with it. They almost wish it didn't happen.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Yeah. Because it's not. It's not. It's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

No matter what he makes, no matter what he says. And it goes far too. It's like attack on his character and his thing. And it's like, I don't know if I love that. I don't know if it's helpful to our growth. Where the fallout lands, especially on, like, you know, on social media, which Takes place every day.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The Stan armies fight.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

And it's like, it's too far.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It's like bringing people. Kids in it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

And it's like, I don't. I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that probably, you know, I sound like the old guy wagging the thing. But I think we can achieve the same thing as far as, like, sparring with music, with collaborations, more so than breaking the whole thing apart.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It could stand it before because there was no social media and there was no thing, and, you know, you had the battle. It was fun, and then you moved on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Right now, I don't know if it could stand it with the technology that we have, because it takes up so much oxygen. It takes up so much oxygen.

[Joe Button]

Decision.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Now it's just like, every day, they're just trying to.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Still talking about it.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

No, not just talking about it. Not like, yo, this song.

[Erickson]

I like this many.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It's like trying to, you know, wreck this guy's marriage or this guy's relationship with his child. And it's like. I don't know, man.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

I don't know if. I don't know if it's worth it at this. At this point.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

I don't know.

[Erickson]

That's interesting.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Again, I love the idea that we got so much music in such a short period of time.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Great music.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Just everything around it was just like, man, this. It's like taking us a couple steps back.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

And we've just grown so much that I don't know if. I guess I'm gonna say it. I don't know if battling needs to be part of.

[Joe Button]

Oh, my God. Shawn Carter.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Did I have this disappointment here?

[Big Freeze]

I do, because I know.

[Erickson]

I'm glad he recognized, like, I know

[Mark]

what it feels like, buddy. Hate it.

[Erickson]

No, I'm glad that he recognizes it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. But he. He don't care.

[Erickson]

No, he don't care. This was.

[Joe Button]

I'm off this.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I didn't love this take. Especially, like, why not?

[Joe Button]

Couldn't disagree more.

[Erickson]

I was outside when Nas and HOV was a thing. It was divisive. Super ugly. Bringing kids into it.

[Mark]

Ugly was like, I was in your baby seat.

[Big Freeze]

It didn't come with. With the. That happened between.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think it's a social media amplified drop of water in a pool, bro.

[Big Freeze]

I agree.

[Erickson]

I disagree.

[Big Freeze]

I told you got one, man. That's being labeled as a certain thing forever. And social media just amplified it back in those days. Well, that's why I your you fat. What? What Jay said.

[Mark]

What do you think they said to Tim dog?

[Big Freeze]

I your girl? No, that's. That's something that happens in our community all the time. That's nothing.

[Mark]

No, what I'm saying is Snoop and Dre was literally calling people pedophiles.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they don't remember that.

[Big Freeze]

I don't remember that. I'm saying go back and listen to

[Mark]

fuck with J. I wasn't around for that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I just think that to his point, I think that the social media thing takes it to a different stratosphere that we didn't have back then. I remember literally me and my man going outside of work when they was teasing the. Yo, we got a new Jay Z. Shit we got. It was a thing. It was a regional thing. It wasn't an international thing. You get what I'm saying? I think it's a drop in the box.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So you said hip hop outgrew it. Because that's what. That's the only thing that changed. No, I'm saying is hip hop group social level. No, social media is now putting the in front of our faces every single day.

[Mark]

It did not.

[Big Freeze]

It did what?

[Erickson]

It didn't. Because in the real world, Drake still plays and no one looks at it funny. When you play Drake.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo, listen to this discourse only lives on the Internet. That's not. Yeah, but that's. The Internet is our lives.

[Erickson]

It's not.

[Joe Button]

No, it's not.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's not real life.

[Big Freeze]

That's what y' all can.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Y' all can say that theoretically, frankly, today's society, the Internet plays a huge part in niggas lives. Niggas wake up and check their phone before they say they prayers. Y' all can say whatever the fuck y' all want to say. The Internet is a lot of people's lives, especially the younger generation.

[Big Freeze]

Okay?

[Erickson]

If Drake wants to go on a arena run this summer, he can and will. This is stopping absolutely nothing. It is discourse on the Internet that is different from discourse in real life.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Somebody shot at this man's house where his family lives. You can't say that. The Internet is not playing a huge part in what niggas see. Every fam that has nothing to do do with the Internet, though. That's been happening before. That's not true. That has not. So has that been happening in rap beast before that have been getting shot at they houses shot up and prior to the Internet. Not by fans that don't know the other that they shooting at.

[Erickson]

John Lennon got killed by a Fan.

[Mark]

So did Selena F. I agree.

[Joe Button]

I'm sorry.

[Mark]

I agree that the Internet. We can't act like the Internet is this place that's disconnected from our life. The Internet. A lot of our lives. A lot of our lives are lived on the Internet. But at the same time, I do think that we can't reduce everything to how people are talking about something on the Internet. I think that, for me, is the point. I agree with you. Like, the Internet is important, but at the same time, like what Tyler said about the Internet.

[Erickson]

Turn your phone off.

[Mark]

Turn your phone. There's a whole world where Drake is. You can look on the Internet and think the world is one way, and then you can go outside and go to a club, a party, a thing, and it's just different. It's not that. It's not that. That's all. That's what I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

But that's easiest said by the niggas that's not affected by the shit that's happening.

[Mark]

I'm with you.

[Big Freeze]

Cause I watch everybody besides you. I watch people in you. But people up here, when things are being said on the Internet, we have addressed it. You are one of them. I'm one of them. And we are the ones that affected. So the person that's affected, whatever mind tricks that it plays, it's easy to say over here, like, oh, turn your phone.

[Mark]

It's just the Internet.

[Big Freeze]

No, it's not.

[Mark]

I'm a person that's affected. I'm just saying that's not the only story we should be telling.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Mark]

In addition to that, I get frustrated with shit people say on the Internet, but this is the time I just go outside and I realize people don't think that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So look. And you could get frustrated and no disrespect to you, but in the social scheme of things, you and Drake are light years apart.

[Mark]

He's the president and I'm a voter.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Not even. It's bigger than that. So now when this man is.

[Joe Button]

Watch yourself. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Drake.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So what?

[Mark]

I'm saying, he's infinitely more so.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So now when he walks outside. When he walks outside, you don't know the effects that this is having on somebody's mental health. Drake. We not even talk about Drake and Kendrick. I'm just talking about the magnitude of the Internet and how it could play on somebody's real life. We can't minimalize that.

[Big Freeze]

So.

[Mark]

So for me just to take it back to the whole point in the connecting. Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And I'm not defending Drake because I think what Drake did was wrong, too.

[Joe Button]

And when y' all are done, I'd like to talk on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You bought this nigga's wife into it. You bought him hitting his wife, all of that shit into it. Now, this nigga could potentially lose deals getting looked at as a woman beater. I think all of this shit is stupid, but the Internet magnifies it in a way that we never had before.

[Mark]

I think that just on the whole thing, I think, one, as you get older in a culture or in society, you start to look at shit different.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Mark]

And you start to get a little nostalgic and you start to forget about the impact of the shit that you did. It's hard. And I think there has to be a little more self critique there. Like, if he says, look, I made super ugly, that shit went too far. I saw what that. I saw how that played out. And so now it's that times a hundred because of the Internet. I kind of get that point.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's what he said, though. He said, yo, I regret it.

[Mark]

I get that he said that. Then he regretted. But what I'm saying is that. But he still found. He still doesn't regret the battle. He just regrets going too far. To me, the answer to this is not to say we don't need battles in hip hop, because the battle, to me, is an essential part of hip hop, the competitive nature of it. And no, we can't all just get on the track and kill a beat together and see who's better. Some of that shit is about the adversarial nature of it. That is what hip hop is about. That's the essence of hip hop. Whether it's B boying, whether it's grandpa.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Well, he spoke to that because he said all them other parts are not in hip hop no more. And he said be. Break dancing was a part of it. It's not here anymore. He said Graffiti. He named a couple street artists. But he was like, it's not really a mainstream, a part of hip hop like that anymore. The DJ used to be the DJ and then the rapper not here no more. You don't know these DJs.

[Erickson]

I didn't say that either.

[Mark]

I didn't like none of that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I disagreed with all that. Was just talking.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't think so. If he's looking at it from. From this point of view where it's

[Big Freeze]

about evolving, that's it.

[Mark]

It sounds like we just it's like, let's get rid of the real essence of hip hop and just make it a commercial music thing. I don't like how that feels as somebody who grew up as a hip

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

hop head, like, but I think when money comes into it, sometimes it's out of your control. Unfortunately, I think that when the big brands start taking it, it's like basketball. Like, now niggas not competitive in basketball no more because there's so much money in it. Niggas is not praying for pride or ego. Michael Jordan's playing 82 games like, yo, my arm gotta be falling off for me not to be competitive and get on the court and bust your ass. Now these kids could be like, yo, my toe hurt. I ain't playing.

[Erickson]

We also just saw a fairly civil, competitive rap beef between fairly mainstream artists and Joey Badass and. And Rayon and them. Last year was a. A melee. And granted, they're not HOV and Kendrick, but it was still just competitive hip hop that didn't involve no mudsling and no kids, no babies, no nothing. So to dismiss battling as a part of hip hop, because that ruined it, I think.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, I didn't say that.

[Mark]

No, hold it, hold it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, but the thing is, where do we stop the line?

[Erickson]

Like, with the kids and wives like you said?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, with Joey Badass and them, they weren't taking personal shots at each other's families and potentially losing niggas deals. You know what I'm saying?

[Big Freeze]

That's the solution.

[Mark]

That's what we're saying. It's like, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like most said in black on both sides, we act like hip hop is a giant in the hills away from us. And we are hip hop. We could say let's have the battles, but let's make some rules.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Mark]

That's all I'm saying. I ain't getting rid of the battle, though.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And that only worked, like, when these two niggas that really don't like each other. A lot of times that rule shit go out the window.

[Mark]

And that's always been the case.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's the difference between the Joey Badass and them battle, which was, hey, we just sparring, basically. And these two niggas where, I don't like you and I've been waiting for you, so now I want to end you.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I'm saying. I'm listening to y' all talking. It's like, do we realize what this shit is has evolved into? Do we realize how many lives are being lost based on like we're just speaking. Hip hop has evolved, the beef has evolved. Everything evolves. If that was the case, nigga, the break dancers wouldn't have to go get another job. Certain DJs wouldn't have to have a 9 to 5. Everything would have. Things get phased out. That's what happens. He's just keeping up with the times and speaking as a eldersman in the culture, yo, hey, this is what this is. This is what's happening and shit like that. We could wanna hold on to the past dreams all the time, but it's not that anymore. It's not period. You can't go out there and tell them over there in Brooklyn or, or Chicago and yo, don't do this. They're not listening to anything. And that's what is consumed. That's what we consume. Or not us, but the kids consume. That's what gets the numbers. And him being who he is, he's not going to sit there and co sign that. So I understand what he's saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Big Freeze]

My fault.

[Joe Button]

That's fine. You guys are passionate about it. But I agree with like some the of we was all over the place. But Jay Z has transcended hip hop. You don't get to where he is without transcending. So I do appreciate this level of maturity from him. I appreciate his unique point of view that only he can kind of give from his viewpoint. But when you transcend hip hop, you gotta be aware that sometimes, like I said, some of the stuff you looking at, that you're not just speaking about culture. Like so when he says that tagging is out of. Is no longer in hip hop, I vehemently disagree and don't really understand that from him. As an, as an art collector, knowing the story of Basquiat, knowing the story of just hearing Nas writers just, I, I can't, I can't accept that from Jay Z. That's some interview.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

One when I went to the restaurant that I spoke about in Staten Island, Shauna's house, before I left, she said, yo, can you please, can you please tag this wall? In some of the famous venues that we've been to. It's a thing to tag the wall in jail. Tagging up is still. It's a cultural thing, it's a culture thing. When Common is on Jennifer Hudson and ends it with breakdances, like we not really talking about. The hip hop mainstream, mainstream hip hop record label, hip hop, we. That's a culture conversation. And Jay Z is a part of Culture. So I, I can't.

[Erickson]

I can see how you'd be separated from it being a multi billionaire 60 year old. Like, and that's cool. Like I'm not mad at it, but I think it was a little dismissive of these elements that are still active.

[Joe Button]

Hip hop started on Sedgwick at a fucking house party. At a party so every hood could come together and fucking get to the shits. You can't tell me that you go to a party with one of the playlist DJs and then go to a party with a real DJ and tell me about the time that you had that part. Yeah, you can't. There's nothing that Jay Z can tell me that says that that's not a

[Erickson]

cultural thing and still important.

[Joe Button]

Got it.

[Big Freeze]

I got what you're saying.

[Joe Button]

I think his talking points are important, but they not addressing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, I think he mean, I think he mean mainstream. Like you don't see little kids break dancing no more like you it's tagging going on, but not from a wide view. You know what I'm saying?

[Erickson]

Like it might not be break dancing, but look how important. Dancing on hip hop dance. Hip hop dance.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Hip hop dance.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

No dancing period. Dancing period. And when kid and play and all that shit was, my older brothers, they was trying to come up with dances. All the niggas that could fight, they would go to school and have dance battles. I'd be on, try to dancing. Look at what dancing was and what it meant for some people versus what it is today and what it means today to these kids and these apps and these streamers.

[Erickson]

Like we've seen the last years of people trying to get a record hot by coming up with some sort of dance on TikTok successfully in a lot of cases.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So dancing kind of had a recent resurgence though, because it did go away for a minute every. They stopped dancing for a while.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I guess with Tick Tock, it's been

[Erickson]

a while that it's been back.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You said about 10 years. Yeah, it's come back.

[Mark]

It has. And also just thinking globally and there's

[Joe Button]

a cultural relevance to dancing from hundreds of years.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Even hip hop dance that like hip hop dance is a genre. When they start teaching dance class, you know, you got the waltz did this, the dtfstl.

[Joe Button]

Right. I just think it's a huge, It's a huge mistake to say because something is not mainstream or commercialized that it fails to exist. Right?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes, but he said it's dismissive. He didn't say fails to exist. Though he's saying it like his faith. He said it's dead.

[Joe Button]

He said they are no longer there. Those elements are no longer part of hip hop. That's not true.

[Mark]

It's not true. It's not part of mainstream.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's not part of mainstream.

[Mark]

And that's a very parochial view too. Like, if you look globally, people are still b boying. Yes, people still are. I mean, people are still graph. I travel all around the world and I see people still tagging walls like it's right. It's. It's just it. This is too much hip hop culture that's still tied to the essence to say that to me.

[Joe Button]

I get it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Mark]

Got it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So, like, you go to Asia, dance in Asia, Hip hop dance in Asia.

[Mark]

They still up rocking in.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, it's huge though. I'm just saying, one thing he did say which was kind of contradictory to his point was it's an Olympic sport now.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Erickson]

I get what you were saying. Mainstream, it's. It's.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They.

[Erickson]

They got it. So it's dead.

[Joe Button]

But.

[Mark]

But nah, I mean, it went from

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

that to, you can get a gold medal for this shit now.

[Mark]

It's crazy.

[Joe Button]

Also, when it come to battling, like some of Mark said, man, this is a very competitive genre filled with a lot of ego and a lot of people that didn't go to therapy and learn the best way to express themselves to one another. So you're gonna have feuds, you're gonna have run ins, you're gonna have battle. But to only highlight the negative that come from battle means that we skipping some of the positives that come from battle. And again, for Jay Z to be the one saying it, you, to me, are the beacon of some of the positive that comes from fucking battle. You and Nas, the two niggas that got it on one of the best battles ever, are two pillars in business.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Y' all done performed together, y' all done did songs together. Y' all answered the fans requests wanting to see all that shit. But y' all matured. Y' all matured. Like, I think that should be a part of hip hop story too. One of my favorite things about me talking to Banks or any of the niggas I ever beef with game any of them, is the fact that. That we could talk. We talk. Yo, we didn't see eye to eye. Some of we was in clubs in Fort. We got heated, we did the diss tracks. But now, as you grow up, like, hip hop is 50 years old. We should be allowed to grow Up. I, I did take that away from what he was saying.

[Erickson]

It's also contradictory in the fact that he was talking about Kendrick's huge year in the super bowl and all that. And a lot of that was off of the battle. Like so there's a lot of contradiction, I think.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You know, I'm just saying you should

[Joe Button]

be allowed to beef with people, make amends with people, have hindsight, look at where you maybe made some mistakes, hold yourself accountable for a lot of us hip hop people. Hip hop. We, we all didn't go. We were not all well schooled. We, we didn't all come from the two parent household. So some of these, some of these things like fucking accountability and yada yada, we had to learn from, from hip hop, from trial.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Another thing which is.

[Joe Button]

Hold up man, let me go. That's another thing that, that, that I had a problem with with his Kendrick and Drake stuff, cuz. Yeah, fan bases take it too far.

[Erickson]

They do.

[Joe Button]

I agree with that.

[Mark]

They do, yeah.

[Joe Button]

You would hope that people don't bring up kids and want to destroy your personal life. All of that, all of that's fine. But on the accountability tip, if you go out there and beg a nigga to start with you, if you go out there and insist that we have this dance because we've been the best for too long, just me and you for 10 years, then part of that, you gotta be willing to take all that comrades with. That's part of battle.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Okay?

[Joe Button]

Part of battle is, is risk assessment, especially if you think you was going to get a one up. And now in the middle of the fight, you realize a nigga stronger than you thought, all of that is part of the tango. I don't want to be in a hip hop where that tango don't get to exist. Now all of these talking points, I agree with everything he said. If we're, if we switch the conversation to drill. Yeah, because then it's not worth it to me.

[Mark]

But that's where it gets tricky.

[Joe Button]

It's not worth. But we. But, but he didn't, he wasn't having a drill conversation. He wasn't talking about smoking, on rolling up such and such. He wasn't talking about all of that. When, when hip hop was getting scary, evil. It wasn't all battles need to see stop.

[Mark]

Agreed.

[Joe Button]

It wasn't all of that. So now when two niggas get together and seemingly, to my knowledge, nobody got hurt, even when it's talk about Drake House getting shot up, I can't attribute that to Kendrick versus Drake. All I get from that is the two best doing their best in battle. And there was a victor. And yes, social media is meant to. But the block used to be mean. School used to be mean. Shit used to be mean. Sorry. Yeah, young guy, I just don't want to live in a hip hop where you can't, you can't battle somebody. When you go in a club and you can't say to a yo, your sneakers is whack. Like hip hop we talking about.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You could get shot though. How about so you get killed for that shit today. So now you have to adjust. You gotta adjust, my nigga. Like it's. But I just, I just attribute the whole Jay Z thing is to like the drug dealer dude that spent 40, 50 years in prison.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, right.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And he got all of this wisdom from some mistakes that he made, some good, some bad. And he just put it all in, compiled all the data. That's how I took it. I took it like this. The old head nigga that spent 40 years in jail, he had life, he gave his time back, he came home. And now I'm trying to teach you niggas or put you guys on a different path. That's what I attributed it to. I didn't really look at it like he was shitting on hip hop. I just looked at it like he had information.

[Mark]

I'm not saying I don't think he was shitting.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Shitting is a bad word. But I'm just saying I just looked at it like he had more information. And he was the wise old owl trying to guide the people. That's what I told Jay Z done

[Joe Button]

shot at niggas in Harlem World. Jay Z done shot at niggas. You knew, didn't. It's a long list of name me Jay Z. When the fuck did Jay Z put the guns down?

[Mark]

He told him to button up Ordinary Joe.

[Joe Button]

It was quite a few Jay Z shots. Like a gnat was bothering him. Right. I'll be back for you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's another thing in hip hop we need to start appreciating. And I see it starting to happen probably over the last maybe three, four years. It's maturity. Cause that's all this is, is true. And what happens. Hip hop was always young. Nobody really wanted to see hip hop get old. Now like you said, Joe, hip hop is 50. It's a lot of 50 year olds in hip hop. 70 year olds. Yeah, but I'm just 50 plus now you see them giving the other side of the game. You need to appreciate people Maturing out of the shit that might have been dope 20, 30 years ago, but again, it's a personal thing that you chose Kendrick for the Super Bowl. It's like, oh, man, he's choosing the

[Erickson]

side and he's putting, and he's not

[Mark]

like, I don't know.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

What do I have to do with that? I chose the guy that was having a monster year. I think it was the right choice. It wasn't in. In some sort of alliance to a battle.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

What I care about them two guys battling? Like, what that got to do with me? Or have at it. Have fun. It's almost like, not on just me, by the way they drag everybody in there. Like, everyone's part of this conspiracy to undermine Drake, I guess.

[Joe Button]

But yeah.

[Mark]

What the.

[Erickson]

This might be my favorite part of

[Mark]

the whole Jay Z.

[Joe Button]

Respect him.

[Mark]

Old dude.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Respectfully, Word. Like, for what? For to what end?

[Joe Button]

Your oldest dude never changed.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I just don't like you.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

And I think they haven't liked you, Joe, for a long time before you

[Mark]

had anything to do with it.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

For a while, I think this has been brewing just like me and NASA. NAS was brewing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It didn't. It didn't happen at the summer jam that happened. The Lex and TV sets, the minimum. Whatever it was, it was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to that point.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What is it?

[Erickson]

The myth leak?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Slugs in your hat, right?

[Mark]

Slugs in your head?

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

It was a bunch of, like, little things that led up to that point. And then when it happened, it happened. I actually regret that because I really like knots. It's a really nice guy.

[Joe Button]

But also to your point, like, I

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

remember I was like 10. 10 or 11 when that happened. I was like, well, I was on your side.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Yeah, I could, clearly.

[Joe Button]

But my.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

My. My position was I can't go out and buy stomatic or ask my parents to buy stomatic.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But I'm gonna borrow.

[Joe Button]

All right. All right.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That was hilarious.

[Erickson]

It was.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It was charisma.

[Mark]

Yeah. It's just.

[Erickson]

I just like him going. Addressing a lot of the. She just the capitalism. He addressed the. The. All the shit that's been said about Jay Z. Like, Jay Z. Yeah. Like, a lot of the shit you put on HOV is stupid. I think we've said that up here, but we're Hovingers, so I mean, we're gonna say that.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

I love. That's just a simple enough line. I'm Jay Z.

[Joe Button]

Respectfully, I'm gonna destroy. That is a very Jay Z thing to say.

[Erickson]

Yeah. I think it's also acting accurate.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And what a just polite way to sun everybody.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

All hope is gonna do is come out and son everybody, and you're not gonna realize it till years later or not. I'm hov. Why? What do I have to do with this? Hoot and Annie, right?

[Mark]

I'm picking the house.

[Joe Button]

You're gonna have better things to do than worry about these two, man. And the respectfully is what does it.

[Mark]

Oh, that's not the respectfully.

[Joe Button]

You yourself kill.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You got a car.

[Joe Button]

That's cool with me. He been doing this his whole career just on people. I love that. Never change, buddy. Absolutely. Never change. Or.

[Erickson]

That's a great interview.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Interview. I wanted to ask y what y thought about the J. Cole remarks.

[Joe Button]

What were they read anything? What were they? What he say? What he say? What he said? They.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He asked him, you know, where. Where did he stand with Cole Talk today.

[Joe Button]

Let's go. Frasier, you got the clip?

[Erickson]

Oh, I don't have the clip. No, I was. I have the script transcript up here.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Erickson]

But I'm looking for it, so you. You keep going.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Well, he asked him where. Where he stood with Cole, and he was like, obviously there. There's some behind the scenes audit stuff, and he didn't want to. He wasn't holding Cole back. He wanted him to go. Go ahead and find his own way. I will give you the tools, but you do it on your own. I'm listening to that. Like, we got some issues behind the scenes, and I just wanted to know if anybody else picked up on it or if y' all thought to say I got the. Oh, you got it.

[Mark]

Yeah. You want the clip or you want the just verbat. He said I was mark. He said I was giving him a chance to take his talent and show it to the most people possible. But his way I didn't say, here's this record from Stargate and you putting it out like I forced by Bleak to make Memphis. Bleak is. Bleak is my little brother. He has to listen to me. But for J. Cole, he has to find his own direction, and I'm going to give him the tools. Stargate made humongous records with Rihanna, Wiz Khalifa, Black and Yellow, biggest songs in the world. You don't want to go sit with them, fine. I don't have any negative feelings for him. I'm actually super proud of him and what he's done.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's okay. Yeah, it was a little bit more because they asked him where you stand today, But I took this, that, as.

[Mark]

I tried to. Yeah, you ain't want to listen.

[Joe Button]

You ain't listen. You ain't listen. I tried to what?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I tried to guide you this way. You didn't want to listen. Go figure it out. Oh, you did?

[Joe Button]

Okay, right?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And then we also look at.

[Mark]

But also like, if you had listened, you might have been somewhere else. But I'm glad. But I'm glad you are where you are.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You where you wanted to be. On your own.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And, you know, again, I look up all Cole's albums. Every. Everything, all is him now. So he obviously went back and bought everything. I could see some little issues in there.

[Erickson]

I. I didn't take it as issues from hov. I took it as, hey, man, I tried to steer you one way. You want to do it your way, and God bless you. Good luck.

[Big Freeze]

That's how it happened.

[Erickson]

That's how I took it. Cole may feel a different type of way, but that's how I took it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I chalk. I chalk it up. I don't think we're ever gonna find out. Yeah, too clanton. No, fuck you. Speak for yourself.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I want to know that one.

[Joe Button]

I want to know what's going. Are you crazy? Anybody ain't as mature as you, my

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

G. All right, I said I gave my opinion. You gave your opinion, that's fine. I'm not mad at your opinion. I'm mature. I'm just.

[Joe Button]

You know what's funny about this? You paint yourself like that, but in real life, you. You done heard all the tea.

[Big Freeze]

He the T, man.

[Erickson]

He actually knows all the tea.

[Joe Button]

That's why you find in real life, you know all the tea, you the

[Big Freeze]

tea spot, you the Chinese spot.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

If tea come my way, I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Not outside, like, rejecting it.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, you're absorbing it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He might tell me some. They tell me you'll be like, yo, yo, man, get off my phone, man. I want to hear that, man. I don't want to hear that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but then he come over here like, nah, yo. Unfortunately, if we could just stop the

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

violence

[Big Freeze]

part of maturity, my. Let my grow, man.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I want to know this.

[Big Freeze]

Shut your ass.

[Joe Button]

I want to know, too, but they're

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

not going to tell us, cuz they keep dancing around. That's why I want to know. Like, if nobody say nothing but you just see little.

[Mark]

When Cole comes up here, if I

[Joe Button]

just sit and focus long enough, I can figure it out.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark]

Is it a situation like, I ain't

[Joe Button]

really put too much thought or energy into this, like, I'm kind of just performing.

[Mark]

But if I just sit still for

[Joe Button]

two nights, I'll figure it out.

[Big Freeze]

Is it a situation that you can figure out? You figure out.

[Joe Button]

Oh, for sure. I could definitely figure out. You could read through the thing. But I try not to be that invested in people's shit. If it falls on my life, then cool. You be figuring. But now if I go home and I'm trying to be Bill Nye the Science Guy, which is connecting.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't think it's that deep.

[Erickson]

I think it's exactly how he laid it out. Like, I tried to push you in one way. It didn't work out. You go do your own thing. And Cole probably feels a way about his back catalog being old still. And he done built the up his own way, so he should. I think it's that. I don't think it's really much deeper than that. I don't think it's anything.

[Joe Button]

I mean, it is. That's pretty deep to me, but it's not. Hey, you go your way. We tried it this way. Hey, bygones be bygones. No love lost and we'll never speak. Be seen together, rapped together, be featured together. Never anything together for the rest of life. And I'll appear closer to Pusha T than I will this guy that I broke and took from nothing in North Carolina to one of the biggest rap superstars. Just like I wanted to on the backstage DVD when I was looking for people eating cereal. You were not gonna get me to believe that. No.

[Mark]

Well, Joe, why don't we. Since he's doing. Obviously, there's a camera interview that Cole is doing. So it's clear he's willing to mend some fences. Why don't we get Cole up here and ask him?

[Joe Button]

Mark, begging.

[Mark]

Begging what? I'm talking about you doing it.

[Joe Button]

I'm not begging nobody to come up here and talk.

[Erickson]

Mark, just say you like the Civic.

[Mark]

That's why you got mistakes. There's nothing wrong with flipping burgers.

[Joe Button]

I think everybody should go where they're comfortable speaking.

[Erickson]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

That's what I think. And I don't shake ass for interview. Look at Mark want that interview.

[Erickson]

Look at mature.

[Mark]

What?

[Joe Button]

No, I never shook ass.

[Big Freeze]

No, that's about that. I think everybody should go speaking.

[Joe Button]

Yo, there's some snickering going on over there. Y' all identifying with something I said that was funny. What happened? I said something that was funny.

[Big Freeze]

We just told my.

[Mark]

It was very funny.

[Big Freeze]

I'm just Talking about maturing right before our eyes.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Other they go say that. Why the. You went to go sit over there? Not with. Came in the shot that came. I'm just talking about with anybody.

[Mark]

Anybody. Clean it up.

[Big Freeze]

You know what I'm saying? That's my man. So I gotta clean it up. I ain't afraid to clean up my friends.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

I'm not afraid like y'. All.

[Joe Button]

It was a good interview.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It was.

[Mark]

It was great.

[Erickson]

GQ interview is great. What you think of the Nadeska J. Cole while we're here?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It was cool.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Erickson]

Didn't really get a ton of information, but I thought it was a good.

[Joe Button]

Good. I was happy for her.

[Mark]

Me, too. Me, too. I thought. I thought it was a good interview. I think more interviews gonna come and more stuff is going to get unveiled. Looking forward to. I didn't see the Cam on that.

[Joe Button]

The problem when you don't. We don't, like, speak to people often, like, we don't get a cold interview often, is that when you speak to them, we gotta rehash all of this shit that I personally have moved on from.

[Mark]

Right.

[Joe Button]

Like, Cam was asking him good shit. Like, Cam, whatever you didn't like from the desk of Cam was getting right to it. And it's like, I personally am just off of this. Like, it wasn't new stuff. Right, right.

[Big Freeze]

But you getting answers, though?

[Erickson]

Sort of. Cause kind of I feel like the answers that we've kind of already gotten from records and when he spoke on stage, and I don't think there's anything new that we're getting out of any of this.

[Joe Button]

And I think those are the two interviews he need to do. Nadeska, his people, and Cam, who he once promised to interview. Go, go, go do the shit.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm glad he did the Cam shit.

[Big Freeze]

Me too.

[Mark]

Made me happy.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I didn't think it was gonna happen. I'm real glad he did that one.

[Mark]

That shocked me.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And I'm glad they addressed all the shit.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And as much y' all know me, I missed everything. A rollout and all of that shit that I love. The way they teased this.

[Erickson]

That was funny.

[Mark]

That was.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Normally I'd be like, oh, this is. I absolutely love.

[Mark]

I think it was real the first time I saw it. You. You said you didn't think it was real. Like, when I saw a little promo of him popping up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And because it looked almost like fake. Like AI. Yeah, I thought it was AI. You know, on in there. A lot of AI fakes. People Fall for. But I saw that it was real, and I was like. That made me happy.

[Joe Button]

Like, you're such a jerk, man.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Thought about enough.

[Joe Button]

My last Jay Z clip, looking back

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

on the last year, it was hard.

[Big Freeze]

Really hard.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

I was, like, heartbroken.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Yeah. I'm glad we got right to that, you know, so we could just get that out the way.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Like, I was really heartbroken by, like, everything that occurred, you know, with all, like, you know, we in a space now where it's just, like, almost like consequence is not thought about. Everything is so insane. You know what I'm saying?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Like, that whole buzzbee, the civil lawsuit

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

that was dropped, dismissed, that shit.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Took a lot out of it. I was angry. I haven't been that angry in a long time. Uncontrollable anger. Like, you don't put that on someone. Like, that's a. That's the thing that. You better be super sure. It used to be like that. Like, you have to be super sure before you put those kind of things on a person, especially a person like me. Like, even when we were doing worse things, we were doing bad, we had those kind of rules. There was a line. No women, no kids. You know, you hear those sayings, but those are things that I took from the street. You know, morals, integrity, code, code. Those things I took because we lived and died by that. So it's strict for me. Like, it meant a lot to me. I took that really hard. And I knew that we was going to walk through that. We was going to walk through that because, you know, first of all, it's not true. And the truth is, you know, at the end of the day, it still reigns supreme.

[Joe Button]

When you're feeling these feelings, how do

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

you then bounce back and get back

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

to being Jay Z?

[Joe Button]

I don't know.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

This is the first thing I'm doing, actually. It was just like, all right, man, we played enough defense. 20, 26 is all offense.

[Mark]

Uh.

[Joe Button]

Oh, well said.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Joe Button]

Well said.

[Mark]

He right. I appreciated the vulnerability, too, of saying, like, I was heartbroken.

[Erickson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Button]

Yo, call Bink. Call just Blaze.

[Erickson]

Call Prem. Call Pharrell.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Come on. Make the calls. Yo, go in the batch.

[Erickson]

Ski it.

[Joe Button]

Call up the dream. Tell him what you're thinking. Come on, O. Come on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, and also on the show, he added a Sunday date now.

[Erickson]

Oh, really?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes. It's called extra innings.

[Erickson]

Interesting. So we gotta go to four hov shows or something. That's a lot. Extra innings might be the one, too.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's the one.

[Joe Button]

Way it's draining.

[Mark]

Everybody gonna come out.

[Joe Button]

Everybody.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The one?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's the one. Yep.

[Mark]

When you. Oh, my.

[Erickson]

I'm.

[Mark]

I'm already texting my connect now.

[Joe Button]

Who's your connect?

[Mark]

You don't want to know. Okay, it's. I'll tell. It's. It's just. Be it. Believe it or not, she got like the illest, like industry connects who go. You know, so. Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Okay,

[Joe Button]

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[Big Freeze]

Yo, are you crazy?

[Joe Button]

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[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Boy, is it what y' all think gonna happen at that Sunday show?

[Joe Button]

Extra innings, extra inning shows?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think that's the one.

[Joe Button]

Stars coming out.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's the one. That's the one.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Oh, you think it's gonna be the feature night?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Because if you're doing reasonable doubt the first day, blueprint the second day, but he's not treated from. I remember the 10 year reasonable doubt, he do the album and then it was like a whole nother show. After that, it was like a little intermission and they came back out and started running through the hits. Now, he didn't bring the guests out. He brought every guest that was featured on Reasonable Doubt. Gotcha. But well, outside of Big, of course,

[Joe Button]

but well, who you think is coming out on Sunday? Big freeze.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, man, Ross for sure. I think we'll see Ross up there. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Wayne up. Up there. Yeah, you good music system up.

[Joe Button]

See Wayne up there doing what?

[Big Freeze]

Rapping.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Rapping with Hope.

[Joe Button]

Rapping.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What God did. I was saying probably Mr. Carter on what stage?

[Erickson]

Yankee Stadium.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yankee Stadium.

[Joe Button]

You disagree?

[Big Freeze]

Hey, Mr. Carter.

[Joe Button]

I think. I just think that y' all think that Jay Z is kind. I don't think he's. I don't see. See, I don't see him sharing his. Wayne opening up Yankee Stadium on a Sunday for me to invite another. Another last named Carter to do his song. Hey, Mr. Carter on my 30th. Hell no.

[Erickson]

I think.

[Joe Button]

Hell no.

[Erickson]

I think I can see him doing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I can see it happening.

[Joe Button]

All right, I'll take. I'll take a. We'll do predictions. We'll do predictions.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Crazy. That whole week.

[Joe Button]

Let's see what cow she has to say about that one. Who else?

[Big Freeze]

Who else?

[Joe Button]

Ross, Wayne, who else you got coming out?

[Mark]

Beyonce. Say he hits the stage. Of course.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Okay, of course.

[Erickson]

Drake.

[Joe Button]

All right, man. What else we got? What else?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Throwing him out there now. Drake, Jay Z make moments. He will make a moment. And if Drake hits that stage, it's going to be a moment.

[Joe Button]

All right, come on, y'. All. What else we got? What other topics we got, y'? All? We just. We just up here being. We just sound like fans now. Sound like fans just talking about J. Cole. All right, what other topic do we. I'm. I'm. I'm finished.

[Mark]

Can we talk a little bit about. Cuz you hyped us up for this. I was looking forward to it. I think I texted it to you. The group, that footage of Justin Timberlake.

[Joe Button]

Oh my God, man. Boo.

[Mark]

For weeks we've been waiting for Justin Timberlake footage because we were hoping for an N word drop. We were hoping for some crazy shit.

[Joe Button]

Hard er.

[Mark]

Cause he was fighting so hard to not have the footage released. We thought it had to be something to it.

[Joe Button]

They called Jack Harlow Hard R. Kelly. Oh, shit.

[Erickson]

Solid

[Joe Button]

Hard R. Kelly. That's funny. Sorry.

[Big Freeze]

That's a good one.

[Joe Button]

So the Justin Timberlake arrest footage came out when he was in the Hamptons drunk. The footage that his team Was fighting to suppress, was released. And even I think that was the Okie doke move now. Like, you fight to have it suppressed as if it was something that was mind blowing. And then when it comes out, people are let down.

[Erickson]

People being you.

[Mark]

I was let down too.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't just me. It was a lot.

[Joe Button]

It wasn't just me.

[Mark]

I was rewinding that shit. Like, come on, just give me one. Just give me one. In words, give me one.

[Joe Button]

That's all I needed, man. But he was just regular drunk. He was just regular, can't walk straight drunk, talking slow drunk.

[Erickson]

Was he driving a minivan?

[Mark]

I don't.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I couldn't see the car.

[Mark]

He was a very ordinary car, though.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I couldn't make out what the car was.

[Erickson]

It looked like a minivan.

[Mark]

It wouldn't shock me. So when the guy. When the officer pulls him over, the most interesting thing to me was he didn't drop the I'm Justin Timberlake thing as fast as I. I would have. I feel like if he drops the I'm Justin Timberlake sooner, maybe he gets out of this.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I have my music playing. When you walk up to the park,

[Mark]

see KW doing the Ain't no lie, blah, blah, blah. What? He waited too long. By the time he got to it, he was already clearly drunk. Like, you can't let the office. You got to be. Give plausible deniability. Like, look.

[Joe Button]

And he got to it weird.

[Erickson]

He did get to it weird.

[Joe Button]

And he got too weird. The world tore upon part was funny. Okay, you're on a world tour. World tour for what? I'm a cop. I don't understand what you're saying. He's like, oh, it's gonna be.

[Erickson]

It's hard to.

[Big Freeze]

How do I.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He's trying to be cool. That's why he's trying to be humble. You don't wanna do.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, there's no such thing as humble. After you say, I'm out here on a world tour. Right. Humble is out the window. We not assessing your humility level. What are you doing in our neck of the woods draw drunk.

[Mark]

Right?

[Joe Button]

Drunk right now. I'm on a world tour. Clears up a lot of shit, but he just got to do it smoother than that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But I'm not on a world tour in the Hamptons.

[Mark]

Here's what I would have said.

[Joe Button]

Why not?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You would kind of think assuming that I'm Justin Timberlake, I'm one of the biggest artists in the world.

[Erickson]

I assume you're Justin Timberlake.

[Joe Button]

You are Justin Timberlake.

[Erickson]

I look like you.

[Big Freeze]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[Joe Button]

He look like short you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But yo and you in the Hamptons, so it's a different demographic.

[Joe Button]

And don't say, oh, Parks look short again.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Huh?

[Joe Button]

Nothing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It does look like short.

[Erickson]

Told you. But yo, we don't look the same.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't be thinking that one. The cop didn't recognize me or would have inquired. Like, what are you doing up here?

[Mark]

What?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean? Like, those are normal cop questions. If you black.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you look like you don't mean Frank Lucas no good.

[Big Freeze]

Like you trying to rob Frank Lucas.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he needs to be in Godfather. You look like the bad guy.

[Erickson]

Godfather and Newark right there.

[Joe Button]

No, like yo you or Roselle, wherever

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

you're from, yo you. You would think that a would start asking you those questions. And then it'll give you the opportunity to start telling all the. Without you having if you're black. If you're black.

[Mark]

He looked like he belonged in the head Hamptons. He just looked drunk.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, but when the cops pull us over there. Yo, what you doing out here? What you going? Where you going? They start asking us.

[Big Freeze]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They never asked him facts, so.

[Mark]

So here's what you do. Hey, officer. I know. I just. I know I was swerving a little bit. I'm Justin Timberlake from nsync. I have a security issue.

[Erickson]

Get out.

[Mark]

Look, but I'm leaving. I'm saying I was following my friend for security. You know what I mean? Because I'm Justin Timberlake. I'm a. I would immediately jump. I would immediately create a situation where the officer's not focusing on my me being drunk.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark]

And explain. I would get to that so fast.

[Joe Button]

I like all drunk driving is bad. But Justin don't look like a good drunk driver.

[Mark]

He was terrible. He kept.

[Erickson]

He probably hasn't driven a car in 40 years.

[Joe Button]

Okay, so then when you say my. My. My party left me. Okay? Somebody in your party was not supposed to let you behind the wheel, cuz you're Justin Timberlake.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They weren't supposed to leave you at all. That part. You Justin Timberlake.

[Joe Button]

And why you ain't got no with you?

[Erickson]

That Honda Odyssey, Joe.

[Big Freeze]

Now, he was doing something.

[Joe Button]

Why are you tipsy in the Hamptons by yourself?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

By myself. Yeah.

[Mark]

I was on some.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It caught me.

[Big Freeze]

He had the bricks in the back.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, he didn't. No, he didn't.

[Mark]

No, the bricks.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He just left something that the security in my peoples couldn't stay around for. Cuz I was doing Something real time.

[Mark]

And now you're getting back.

[Joe Button]

Free him. He ain't do nothing. Too bad you took his car from him. Let him out, man.

[Mark]

At what point in the sobriety test did y' all realize he was going to jail?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

When he couldn't walk. When the dude was like, yo, put your foot over foot over foot. Nine times.

[Mark]

I tried doing this in my house sober. But I got home, I was like,

[Joe Button]

I'm going to jail. He told him do it nine times.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He was like, yo, yo, listen, man.

[Joe Button]

Just look like, yo, bro. Yeah, like, yo, bro, listen. That test is meant to frustrate you.

[Mark]

It is.

[Joe Button]

It is.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Recite the elf.

[Joe Button]

Even if you miss.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Come on, dude. Like, what, are we doing this, too?

[Erickson]

Look, I just.

[Joe Button]

I was about to say, even if you pass the walk straight, by the time they get to. Yo, touch your nose. Touch your forehead, Touch your chin. All right. Touch your nose again. No, no. Say, Simon, give me the ticket. Look, what you talk about. Yo, you ain't.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You ain't see the one.

[Joe Button]

It was fine. Viral. They had me doing that on the whitestone. They ain't even move the car the side street.

[Big Freeze]

Damn. You did that before?

[Joe Button]

Yes, I did that before.

[Erickson]

Oh, I've done that before that. Yeah, a couple times.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I've never done that. Word.

[Big Freeze]

You passed it one time.

[Erickson]

No.

[Big Freeze]

One time.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Erickson]

I'm one for two.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not Cy, X, W, V. You had to count backwards. I mean, do the Alphabet.

[Joe Button]

How you got that far?

[Big Freeze]

WV uts.

[Joe Button]

You guys respect the airwaves. Respect it. We're not gonna guess the Alphabet backwards.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But, yo, it was one. It's funny. It was actually viral. It was this bad chick.

[Joe Button]

Fire. You found her?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, they had her doing the test. She's acing the test in flying colors.

[Mark]

Fired.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Half the police department came out to watch shorty. They still locked up?

[Mark]

For what?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you know why? We have no idea, Patty. Now, you have the right to remember

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

pain here, but nah. Why?

[Mark]

What excuse did they use to lock up?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I have no idea.

[Joe Button]

Lick them low, Lisa.

[Mark]

Lick them low, Lisa.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. You know what time it is?

[Erickson]

The test ain't supposed to. You're not supposed to necessarily nail it or. Or fail it. It's how you do it, right? If you're stumbling, if you look, if you're incoherent. Incoherent with.

[Mark]

Get more observable behavior. I get it. That makes. That makes sense to me. I mean, he clearly was drunk.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That fell when they pulled him out the car. He fell.

[Joe Button]

How do Y' all go about let cops know that they. They pulled over a real one. When y' all get pulled over, like, have y' all ever dropped y' all name or your company or there's a PBA card. Such a geek.

[Mark]

Guess what?

[Joe Button]

He's such a dude.

[Mark]

What do you. I just stared. I just. I'm not that famous, right? So I have a. So I have to. I had to kind of face that like. Like they be like, I know you from somewhere. So I just keep staring him in the face. Especially if it's a black cop.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Cuz that might work the other way.

[Joe Button]

Wait a minute.

[Big Freeze]

The other way.

[Joe Button]

Get the. Out the car. What you said

[Mark]

it be working, but.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, ignore it.

[Mark]

But I got. I gotta ignore it. No, I didn't hear what you said.

[Big Freeze]

Troopers, you know what you say it work the other way.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah, he could.

[Big Freeze]

Them troopers ain't playing with you on that.

[Mark]

Let me tell you something though.

[Joe Button]

Them New Jersey state troopers will whoop my ass.

[Mark]

They recognize, but don't look, don't. In PA it works. As long as you just leave Jersey, I know you somewhere up probably T.

[Joe Button]

We going to have a brand new statement hoodie on too. Ooh, with a fresh statement.

[Big Freeze]

Hold on. What that, what that hoodie say? What that say? Hey, turn four,

[Joe Button]

that second and third car come through.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Wait right here. Wait right here. I'll be right right back.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, let's go through.

[Mark]

It work though, but you got to

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

do that once the second car come out. Just start, make the call.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you got send help.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They booking me, Dano.

[Joe Button]

That's it.

[Mark]

What do you. What do you do to get out of it?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Nothing. I go to jail. That's it. You know what I mean? I ain't famous.

[Mark]

Jay, you're the most famous person up here.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Do you.

[Mark]

Do you use your fame for that purpose? Like, do you say, or do you expect them to recognize or do you say, like, hey, I'm just Joe Budden.

[Big Freeze]

It's on his license.

[Joe Button]

I would hope that they do. I would hope to do. I'm mostly pulled up. If I'm. If I'm getting pulled over, it's in New Jersey. Well, I ain't driving, so I ain't getting pulled over.

[Mark]

Because I remember a couple months ago you told a story where your driver got pulled over. And I was like, didn't you just lean forward and say something to the officer? And you're like, no, I don't do that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, I don't do that. I just rolled my window down and he immediately recognized me.

[Mark]

And then you were good.

[Joe Button]

Honestly. Honestly, I don't think that's so much a big fame thing. Fame plays a large part in it. Honestly, I've been in New Jersey, around these parts for so long that the niche on the force just be niggas.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That is from my way.

[Joe Button]

Like, we kind of.

[Mark]

You didn't give him less information.

[Joe Button]

It's our peer group. IS 45 worked in Jersey City PD over here. Now I'm the sheriff over here. Like, you just gotta know these guys now.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Just be at Starbucks with you. Dunkin Donuts with you.

[Joe Button]

I asked my driver the other day, I said, yo, do you know I'm famous? I asked him. Cause he was doing that whole drive 10 miles an hour thing, talking about the cameras, yo, the police. And I was like, yo, dawg, when they come, what happened last time? I rolled a window down my face car, right? We was good, nigga, speed up. God damn it. But I would hope that they recognize me. I also try to be as legal as I possibly can today so that I have less interaction. Limited police interaction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And respectful. That respect shit go a long way. Long way. It does, yo.

[Big Freeze]

Sometimes.

[Erickson]

Sometimes they got a little axe to grind.

[Big Freeze]

Really?

[Mark]

If they had an axe to grind

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

us around, I mean, ain't nothing you could do about it then.

[Big Freeze]

Sometimes respectful as possible.

[Joe Button]

Well, Justin is free. Our prayers work.

[Big Freeze]

Shout out to you, Justin.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Justin. We have. We happy for you. Don't do that again. Hopefully you learned your lesson.

[Big Freeze]

Uber.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Enough of the tito. Don't Tito and drive.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Enough of the titties. That's where he was coming from.

[Joe Button]

That's cool. I won't get my brain to go. He. There was a part where he was at the police station. He said, filling out the thing and the little. The white box said white. And he was like, white, white.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I saw it.

[Joe Button]

And he's. I'm just kidding. And that's a funny, funny.

[Mark]

But he too drunk to be funny.

[Joe Button]

I. I took it a whole different way.

[Erickson]

You're also two whites.

[Mark]

And

[Joe Button]

I would drop my white card like that, though, too, though. Like, on some white.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You don't got to drop it.

[Mark]

I don't think if it's white, it's your wife.

[Joe Button]

N. Sometimes you still got to drop it if a fellow white ain't giving you the good white privilege, that good white treatment you're looking for.

[Erickson]

Hey, hey, show a little more skin here.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, roll up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's why they be widening around shirtless.

[Joe Button]

And, yo, that's funny.

[Mark]

You don't have to do that though. Cuz you, you had with black people a decent amount. Like, have you ever.

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Mark]

Like when some up shit's happening, some racist or some police. Do you ever like take the lead as the white person?

[Erickson]

I try to.

[Mark]

This don't help. Really. Don't they treat you like a traitor?

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Probably be madder at you.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Mark]

Ah, got it.

[Erickson]

Historically speaking, in my experience, I can't

[Big Freeze]

say, hey man, stand the over there, boy.

[Mark]

You, you know black so bad.

[Big Freeze]

You know better. Your parents should be ashamed of you, boy. Get your ass over.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You wanna be rapping.

[Joe Button]

One of you, one of you. One of you super professional people. Explain to me what Meek Mill is doing on LinkedIn.

[Mark]

Being super professional.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he being professional.

[Joe Button]

What is LinkedIn? Help me, help me now.

[Erickson]

It's like explain it to me. Like I'm slow.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Erickson]

You post your resume online and people find you for what?

[Mark]

Social media for business networking.

[Erickson]

There you go.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but it's, it's got, it's. It used to be like almost a. Like people that were searching for jobs. It's grown. It's, it's, it's, it's surpassing now. Yeah, like, like even. No. Who told me to get on LinkedIn? I ain't do.

[Big Freeze]

I'm the host.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Wallow said Matt, a bunch of his deals are coming from LinkedIn. Yeah. So did you do it? I did.

[Joe Button]

You know me.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You know me, bro. But no. So supposedly some people are using that as a networking tool to make bread and get and get brand deals and like that.

[Mark]

It works.

[Joe Button]

It works.

[Erickson]

Does it?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Are you on there?

[Mark]

I'm on there. I don't use it a lot, but

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

have you gotten deals from there?

[Mark]

Don't have an agent. But like it's good for like different kinds of networking. A lot of corporate networking is really good for corporate networking because what it does is it'll be like if you know this person, you should kind of like other social media. You should know these people. You should be connected to these other people. And people now do like corporate announcements, they do press releases. It's gotten like you said, it's gotten bigger. But a lot of people I know get job interviews and job opportunities even especially at the executive level from that. I don't know if it's as good for like entertainment networking, but it's definitely good for like.

[Joe Button]

I love Meek's curiosity.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Like I don't have anything negative to say about that, but it just seems like he's in search of Something that he's having trouble explaining.

[Mark]

I'm confused by it because for the same reason you are. It's like again, he has agent lawyers. He's connected to the richest and most powerful people in the world, at least in our industry streets. It seems weird to me he would

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

need to be on do we know that he's still connected. So those relationships are still solid. And I think once you see the other side of the game now you want to explore that more because you see, like it might be real way more money over there than over here. But now if I lose that connect or if I just want to venture out on my own and not necessarily have you feeding me all the time, then he might want to.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You know, take a stab at that spot.

[Mark]

He just seemed too big for it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I disagree.

[Joe Button]

For LinkedIn, you're saying.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

For this route, yes.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think he's too big for announcing that he's over there. Like, I don't think he's too big. If Meek is independent and Meek is kind of navigating on his own.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't see anything wrong with that. It's just some. And I don't know if he does it for engagement purposes as well, but I think the announcing it on like Twitter, Instagram, do they have like that way. That's when it looks a little.

[Mark]

Can I be you for a second?

[Erickson]

Do they have a verified situation? Because maybe that's just his way of saying, this is really me over here. If you find me.

[Mark]

Is this a brand deal? Is he getting paid by LinkedIn to endorse LinkedIn, you think?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Could be.

[Mark]

Didn't think that's possible.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Could be.

[Mark]

That would make sense.

[Big Freeze]

Nah.

[Mark]

No, I just think it would look different. Yeah. Be more polished.

[Joe Button]

This seems like old guy trying to figure out the WI fi code. Like that's how it looks. I think if it were a partnership, it would just look a little more.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What are you trying to put together? Organic.

[Joe Button]

Then it's a bad job. It's a bad job at organicness.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It seemed like Meek just trying to figure it out. Yeah. It seemed like he don't have. For the. The mainstream part of his career. It looks like he had people for everything and now it's like those people are not. Not there. So he's trying to just navigate whether it be on his own or with a smaller team or whatever. Hands on. Isn't that the case when you go independent?

[Erickson]

Yeah. I mean, but you still would typically. I don't know, theoretically someone of his stature have a Manager or agents or both, where you're maybe not running the LinkedIn or what if.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What if I have a manager? And I don't know this to be Meek situation, but I got a manager, but I ain't seeing how to operate with them.

[Erickson]

Then fire him.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Because we've seen a lot of cases where people don't like their management, people don't like who I'm signed on, I'm working with over here. So I'm gonna try to do this on my own. Maybe you can't fire him.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I guess

[Mark]

for me, it's like, it would be almost the equivalent of somebody doing, like, an online dating app as a. As a celebrity. It's like there's nothing wrong with it, and I hope it works for you, but you're almost too big. Big to me to need it, but also you're almost too big for it to work the way it's supposed to because you're gonna get flooded with so much stuff. You know what I mean?

[Erickson]

You're gonna get a lot of demos, even on LinkedIn.

[Mark]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I think it's not gonna work out for him the way he wants it to, but I love Meek, and I want him to be successful. And I'm watching him navigate the process of being independent, and it's hard. So, you know, salute to him. I just. This. I don't understand this one. It was so strange to me. Like, you, Parks. I was. I wondered if it was really him.

[Joe Button]

Right, Right.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I mean, this is on the list of things that I don't understand that he's done. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Hey, I want it. I need $5 million to. Cause I want to do an album and a movie, and I'm tweeting this.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, it's. It's. A lot of. It just seems like I don't have nobody.

[Erickson]

That may be the case.

[Mark]

Might be. All right, I have. This story is so funny to me and weird. So did y' all see the Mary J. Blige interview a couple days ago?

[Erickson]

Nope, I missed it.

[Mark]

Mary gave an interview where she was talking about, like, the early stages of her career and a very particular experience she had with a veteran vocalist. She didn't say who the person was, but she told a real interesting story. Here it is.

[Erickson]

All right, let's hear it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And you may have heard this before, but I ain't saying no names.

[Joe Button]

But you ain't saying no names.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I just met this person, and I was excited. So excited to meet Them. And this is when. You know, back then when your roots was dark and your hair was blonde, but people didn't know. Know what it was, but we knew what it was. So this person goes, you really should dye your hair.

[Joe Button]

Your roots the same color as your hair.

[Mark]

And you need to learn how to sing on key. Jesus.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I ain't saying no names, but I

[Mark]

was like,

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

okay, let me go and see if I'm singing flat or whatever that means, Right?

[Mark]

So I ain't saying no names.

[Big Freeze]

I was.

[Mark]

We could pause it right there. Right. So for like two days, everybody on the Internet was trying to figure out who she was talking about. I knew who she was talking about, but. And a couple other people did. And of course, the Internet did its research. Exactly. They started Interneting and they put up this classic but somewhat recent interview from the person. Here it is.

[Erickson]

Let's hear it. 1990s, when you had introduced the Rufus song Sweet Thing, which was your ballad.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I wrote it.

[Erickson]

You would call it the song Mary J. Blige fucked up. Is that true?

[Joe Button]

Damn.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Out in public, I might have said it to her.

[Erickson]

Okay, but so you did.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Believe, I told Mary J. Blige, she it up. How'd she it up? Number one, her vocals were flat. And I told her, I asked her, I said, what time did you. When did you. What time of day was it? Night. What were you doing when you decided to cover?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. That's crazy to ask somebody. Girl, I've been up late and I was at 8 o' clock in the morning, girl.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

She said, girl, you don't sing nothing

[Joe Button]

at 8 o' clock in the morning.

[Mark]

Especially if you have to get up to seven singing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You'd have been up all night smoking crack or something. I don't know.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, God. What, you don't get up at 8

[Mark]

o' clock in the morning.

[Joe Button]

The same girl.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But she and I have that kind of relationship. We can talk.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You guys ended up recording together, right?

[Big Freeze]

This was not something we can honestly.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes. You know, I love her, she loves me, we don't have a problem. Yeah. Now the press would love to make it a problem.

[Mark]

I wonder how the press would have

[Joe Button]

to just stretch the.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Erickson]

That's crazy.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo, old people, yo, they be stuck whatever the they want to say. That's crazy.

[Mark]

First, first of all, Sha, like Shaka made it sound like I told Mary to her face. Not in front of the cameras. But she's in front of the cameras right now telling us that she told her that.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, this is what we got to Love about our veterans, man. The OGs, man, I say the OGs, they. They just. That's where they come from. They honest like that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They don't care.

[Big Freeze]

Don't hold no punches, don't hold no point. Nah, I want that. I was just watching something, you know, speaking on this topic. But something similar that I saw you touch on with even pertains to the coaches. I'm gonna get to that later. But, nigga, we need some of that. Somebody to be honest like that. Y' all niggas is too sensitive these days.

[Mark]

Oh, I love the honesty behind the scenes. Especially you got the auntie relationship where you could be like. But it's not like Mary's version is very different than Shaka's version. That's the funniest part to me, how two people experience something different. It sound like Shaka was just on some auntie shit, like, look, I'm pulling this girl aside show. And it felt like Mary was like, I don't really know this person. And they coming over talking about my hair and my voice like the first time we meet.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm showing grace and I'm showing respect to the og. I really. The stories could have been the same, but Mary had enough coof not to really.

[Joe Button]

And you gotta love it like that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I ain't even say who love right. Like, I'm having. I'm respecting telling the story. Yo, I don't know if you was up all night smoking crack.

[Mark]

Come on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

My right.

[Mark]

Particularly at that part coming for Shaka Khan.

[Erickson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

That has to be said.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's a good point.

[Mark]

I'm not even sure she was over in this.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You gotta show grace.

[Joe Button]

You gotta show grace.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, that's crazy to me.

[Joe Button]

But if there's anybody that could say

[Big Freeze]

that, it would be Shaka.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Wouldn't Shaka be on the list? Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I just feel like if you kicking my back in. In public, you gotta add a little. And I can relate to it. That's all I'm saying.

[Big Freeze]

Okay.

[Mark]

Otherwise, it comes off a little, like, judgmental. Like you waking up early in the morning with you smoking crack. Like, I've never seen a sober Shaka Kai performance.

[Joe Button]

I agree with what you're saying. I just also feel like you open the door for that once you cover somebody's record.

[Big Freeze]

Talk about it.

[Mark]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Joe Button]

If you cover somebody's record, I think it would be naive of you to think that that person is just either gonna have all great things to say or. Or nothing to say at all. Like, that's like, if you're doing a tribute, yes, it will be classy for the person you're honoring to sit there and give you the. But the greats don't do that shit at all.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Do Prince do it?

[Joe Button]

No, Prince would never.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

My thing is, yo, I think this is my opinion when you covering somebody, I just think tact and coof are a part of being in public. Like, yo, dog, like, the lady covered your song. You could have hated it. You could say, yo, I ain't really care for it. Like, it's a way to say it. Don't say, yo, you was up all night smoking crack.

[Mark]

She said.

[Big Freeze]

She said that to her.

[Joe Button]

Attack and couth came in the 80s 90s.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Once you hit a certain age, you lose a lot. Well, not you, not everybody, but most people. A lot of move, tact and co once Jones.

[Big Freeze]

This what Quincy said, but this what Michael said. And we are the world said, if you don't get. You saw his face. You think looked at Michael face when they was singing and, oh, Michael like it? No, it was on his face. He probably said something, but at least

[Mark]

he just made faces to Huey Lewis and Cindy la.

[Big Freeze]

He told Quincy, Quincy, go tell her. He was. He was telling niggas to say shit.

[Joe Button]

Also, damn, I sound like I'm just caping for Shaka. And I'm not trying to do that. But also, if you were singing flat and if your hair looked a mess, wouldn't you want. Wouldn't you want somebody to say that to you?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes, in an auntie type of way.

[Joe Button]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Mark]

No, no, no. But at the rehearsal, yes, the record was out.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, this is what Mary was saying,

[Mark]

telling me after my record's out that it sounded flat. That's just. What can. What can I do about it?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Was she there when you did that?

[Joe Button]

Did I sound flat the next time?

[Mark]

Okay, that's fair.

[Big Freeze]

But look what Mary said.

[Mark]

Mary said she.

[Big Freeze]

Mary said she went back to go see if she was. That's what Mary State interview Shaka Khan.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And you know, Mary's like a icon with regards to style, fashion, etc. Etc. There was a point in time where they were purposely doing the.

[Big Freeze]

With the roots.

[Mark]

And that's what Mary was saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And that's what she was saying. Like, yo, she older. She didn't understand what we was doing. Like, you know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

Cool.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Great grace.

[Erickson]

But Mary was very graceful.

[Mark]

I concur. We love Mary J bleed. And I love Chaka Khan. In fact, respectfully, I would love to meet Shaka Khan live.

[Erickson]

Sure.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Me too.

[Erickson]

Me three meet and greet.

[Mark]

All in the 70s, the 80s or now

[Joe Button]

Shaka Khan show coming up that I'm missing or something that we fighting to get to tickets to.

[Erickson]

No, she had the Blue Note is what they're saying, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Oh, you would Shaka Khan. Y' all would Shaka Khan right now. That'll wake me up.

[Big Freeze]

Shakhan is fire. Yo.

[Erickson]

She looks good.

[Big Freeze]

I saw her. I said, oh, how old is she? I had to wait and google she look good are smoke Shaka. I'm not playing with Shaka taking down the car.

[Joe Button]

Nothing but caveman.

[Big Freeze]

These want you to see that Shaka Khan if you wasn't in your situation.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Big Freeze]

Yes, you would.

[Joe Button]

No, I would not. I mean, I also didn't see whatever pic y' all saw.

[Mark]

I'm really talking about Chaka Khan from back in the day.

[Joe Button]

Sure.

[Mark]

The Rufus Chaka Khan, the Black Panther Chaka Khan.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

I know. She's part of down with the Black Panthers.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Mark]

They organized in Chicago.

[Erickson]

Should just really get it going right

[Mark]

to the fire.

[Big Freeze]

I like.

[Mark]

I like our OGs being like that.

[Joe Button]

I'm sorry.

[Erickson]

Or Shaka.

[Mark]

Shaka.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I like that, man.

[Big Freeze]

Just tell me how.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Be blunt.

[Joe Button]

Shaka do seem like you did too. If you her she'll make a mistake and tell her homegirls that your dick is amazing. Then all the homegirls don't want to you. She seemed like one of them.

[Big Freeze]

Or as little.

[Joe Button]

Well, yeah. Or could have the opposite. The ve. I shouldn't work with caveman. We should be able to discuss some of our.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Everybody up here is restraining themselves.

[Joe Button]

Trust us like everybody restraining. But that makes us more caveman that we have to show such restraint over Shaka Khan topic.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Just saying, man.

[Big Freeze]

Still on.

[Joe Button]

Please.

[Mark]

No, no.

[Big Freeze]

When you're done. Okay.

[Mark]

No, just. But in terms of the actual analysis and I. I think I like Mary J. Blige's version of the record. But when you go back and listen to it was Shaka right? Did it not sound. Did it sound flat to y'?

[Erickson]

All? I would have to go back and analyze. Unfortunately, we don't have the time to

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

do that musicality and all that.

[Big Freeze]

We do that patriarch.

[Joe Button]

Awesome. Yeah. That's not what I was doing the sweet thing.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, sweet.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I mean know I was in some yams on sweet. I nothing about who was flat. You wanted that one flat

[Mark]

92. No matter you wanted no yams.

[Joe Button]

Imagine Shaka Khan trying to get your name wrote in the will. And then she pass and you Realize that she sold the.

[Big Freeze]

To somebody else.

[Joe Button]

You just for nothing. You ain't got a. You ain't got. Not a lick of.

[Erickson]

Well, half of this room would have. It wasn't in it for the will.

[Joe Button]

Come on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, the will is there too. Oh, great.

[Joe Button]

Speaking of. Come on, come on, let's get to it. Your man Shine doubles down. Ice was excited, wanted to talk about it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Wasn't excited, I'd say, but yeah. Shine got wind of what Brandi said.

[Joe Button]

Got wind.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And he said, I don't know what's wrong with her. I spoke from a place of admiration and a place of reminiscing on my experience with. With her, which I didn't care to highlight the negatives. It was only positive. She lied to Oprah about being married and had to go on Oprah and apologize. Cuz she said she did that to protect the image. I can't get in her mind. I'm just saying that she lied to the public before to protect the image. Maybe the fact that she was seeing both Mace and I at the same time, she feel it's not good for her image.

[Erickson]

It seems messy to me.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It is messy.

[Joe Button]

It is messy.

[Erickson]

Why is Shine being so messy?

[Mark]

Cause he ain't got nothing else to do. He's not in office anymore. He got an album coming out, project's coming out.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He got a project coming.

[Mark]

I don't like it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't like it at all.

[Mark]

He seemed like a thorough dude to me. So this behavior, he didn't bring it up though. He's still talking about it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He's still talking about it. Well, hold on. If something was brought up and I just stated what I said, somebody come back and say I'm lying, I might go try to go back and clear that up. What's wrong with her saying, yo, I'm lying to protect my image? Some. About some that happened 20 something years ago.

[Joe Button]

Close to 30. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

However many years. If somebody come out and say something about you that didn't happen, or you say, yo, I was with this person, because you don't say it, I'm sorry. It come up in conversation and then somebody, no, he's lying. I wasn't with him. That wasn't that. That was just. We were just platonic friends and there was nothing more.

[Mark]

Let it go. Hold up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's not what happened.

[Joe Button]

Let it go. Go.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What's wrong with letting it go? Being a man, we gotta sometimes shut the up and not look messy and let it go. Not just that. What you might have thought we, we. We could be funny and. Or we could be men. We've had platonic relationships with girls that we pop before. So her labeling it a platonic relationship. Don't say she's lying.

[Mark]

Let's go ish in this context. It does.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, it doesn't.

[Mark]

Here's why I say that. Here's why I say that. He says if he implies that they popped and she says I'm responding to the things that she basically was correcting the record. She's basically what he said wasn't true. I agree that you have a platonic friend who you had sex with before. I'm not disagreeing with that. But she was responding to their conversation. So I think a reasonable person would interpret that as saying he lying on his dick.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he lying on his dick.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Let it go.

[Mark]

I'm with you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I understand that. But I'm saying everybody ain't with. Let it go. All right?

[Mark]

That's all.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Everybody's not. And I think. I think, yo, to drag this woman as minded her business in her house raising her kids into me and me and my man her. At the same time, it paints the picture of her being a. She's in the house minding a business.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, yo, my. We know what's going on. It paints a wrong picture of this lady that's minding her business. So now for her to come out and say, yo, me and Sean had a platonic relationship, and that's the extent of it. You got to let it go.

[Erickson]

Agreed.

[Joe Button]

Okay. Yeah. Sean trying to paint it how. Whatever. Freeze. Just read off him. Trying to paint it that way. When you're having that conversation in the room with somebody who. Somebody else who allegedly was intimate with her, it has that boy's locker room kind of feel already. There's no way you could have the boys locker room conversation amongst somebody else who also maybe did that. And it seemed like you're honoring that person. Cherishing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Does it matter if you wasn't the one that brought that up?

[Mark]

Like. No, I don't think it matters.

[Erickson]

I just don't understand. If I know I did something and you know you did something, why does the world. Why does the world need to know we did something?

[Joe Button]

And I ain't going to hold you, yo, to keep it a buck.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm on other side.

[Joe Button]

I'm with this. Let's bring back. At what point is somebody able to lie about some of the bodies that they've left behind? Yo, I don't want to live in a world where we got to tell the truth about everybody. We. No way. Are you kidding me? There's some right this second where if they got a mic and just happened to be on a podcast and was asked about me and they got to talking and they tell their truth, I. That boy. I would lie to the wheels, folks. I would deny. It's about four. Four of them.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Not you.

[Joe Button]

My only four.

[Big Freeze]

What?

[Mark]

Not.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Honestly, I can't believe there's four of

[Joe Button]

them that no matter what they say.

[Mark]

And it happened and it happened.

[Joe Button]

But if you think I'm giving my account my version or me sharing it, hell no. We lying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

We lying to the wheels.

[Joe Button]

Pull up.

[Mark]

Why them four, huh? Why those four?

[Joe Button]

Totally out of character and beside myself. Nothing I'm proud of. Extremely, extremely ashamed of my actions. Actions. My decision making. Not something I would. Not something I would want to spread to a new audience, a mainstream audience. Not one that I would continue to uphold whatever we had. If I continue to ascend, grow a large platform, retire from whatever she knew me, and become one of the best ever in a whole nother field. I'm not still telling, though, that new crop of people that I. This. Sorry.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

4:58 in the morning. Sorry, your number's four. Well, I got mad.

[Joe Button]

I got you. I get mad if my roommate woke up and seen this creeping in.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You don't say.

[Erickson]

I think there's what, eight, nine men in this room that probably have.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I know everybody got something.

[Mark]

What's the number?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What's the number?

[Joe Button]

What. What have you done with your life since we beat. I went crazy in my life. Where are you at in life? Because if it's not something that's reputable to who I am today, I may pop that. Never did I pop that. Never did I pop that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So how many denials anybody got? Like, you just take it to the grave. I would never cop to that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I got three of them. You're married.

[Mark]

So how many you got flipped, though? You lived long?

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, when I was younger. No, I got four when I was younger. High school.

[Joe Button]

Junior high with you, probably.

[Big Freeze]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I had a run before I got married.

[Joe Button]

3K.

[Big Freeze]

Probably like 3. Probably 3 that I was seeing walk by and act like, I don't know they want me on Instagram. No, I don't know. You ain't up. You look crazy. You. You live where you live where Mark.

[Mark]

Oh, y' all gonna think I'm bullshitting

[Big Freeze]

once I see a white fridge.

[Mark]

It's nothing. It's something that I'm a. That I'm embarrassed About. But I don't think I would lie on it. I don't think I would publicly. I would just hope that nobody found out.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But if somebody.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

What was it?

[Joe Button]

What was embarrassing about those experiences?

[Mark]

My decision. What you said. My decision. Making my judgment at a time. Well, that's what Joe said. I'm looking for what I'm looking for. What more. I look to you for leadership.

[Joe Button]

No, you don't.

[Big Freeze]

You was drunk.

[Joe Button]

That's a mistake.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I got.

[Mark]

All right, there's. At least. It's all fuzzy. Probably three or four.

[Erickson]

They didn't shave either.

[Mark]

No, actually.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, you like?

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. That cult fish. Yeah, some of that Cultfish Cold is the best. I believe you.

[Mark]

That's. It's reckless and irresponsible, but yeah.

[Erickson]

I mean, back to that whole shaky kind of thing, like

[Joe Button]

ish. What say you? None.

[Big Freeze]

None. I took all their ears off. I never miss. Let's go.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's that I regret.

[Mark]

Yeah, I thought.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, you didn't. I ain't never see this denial.

[Joe Button]

And not counting the ones you already denied to me, like the other one. Oh, the other one. The other one times three. Then keep this on you, my brother. I've answered already.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Did not. Probably 10

[Joe Button]

now what? Now what about these 10 would make you deny them? Now we getting somewhere. Riveting content.

[Erickson]

See, I think it's with. You got to go with the percentage, not a number.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think that. I think that.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, this.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead. You got it. No, I think some. Some of where they are today will play a part in that.

[Big Freeze]

Like.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like, they moved a lot.

[Big Freeze]

A lot.

[Joe Button]

Could any of the 10 beat again?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, not even close.

[Joe Button]

Mark. Could any of the four beat again?

[Mark]

No.

[Joe Button]

All right, all right. Y' all got it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Handshake. Got to be was.

[Big Freeze]

This was.

[Joe Button]

This was great. This was fun.

[Big Freeze]

How much?

[Mark]

Freeze.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, hard three for sure.

[Mark]

What made them? What made them.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

They were not my What I. What I.

[Mark]

They weren't up to your standard.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Got it destroyed by.

[Joe Button]

We are Billy D. Williams. Boy, we talk up here like we.

[Big Freeze]

Oh, like 200, 300 pounds. Oh, you had one of them night. Oh, you took one for the team. Okay, I got one for the team. I see it right now at Walmart right past.

[Mark]

I don't know you.

[Big Freeze]

Who?

[Joe Button]

Who.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo, bro, listen, it happened, man. One of my space lonely nights talking right at 3:42 in the morning.

[Mark]

Why we get like that?

[Big Freeze]

H dogs, Yo.

[Joe Button]

Bottom of the bottom of the knife, you start swinging at it. All that look good. Everything over the plate.

[Big Freeze]

Everything go out your brain. You just thirsty like you. You say whatever they about to come over.

[Erickson]

That's why you got to get that out

[Mark]

of that shit.

[Joe Button]

Man.

[Big Freeze]

You got.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You be mad as hell driving home. Just some running light.

[Big Freeze]

Just some trying to wipe it off. Hey, let me go get some clean. What? Yo, the CVS right there. Let me get some spray lights all that shit off. Nigga,

[Erickson]

I saved myself for marriage.

[Joe Button]

Is your partner aware of any of the mid on this list?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

List? They don't exist if I'm denying it. Why you think the partner going no. Yeah, you know how long ago that shits was?

[Mark]

A long time I would tell if they walk.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but sometimes your girl know you you slept some men just not not. But before y' all met at any point, sometimes your girls just aware the mid you slept and just will have have a little kiki with you.

[Big Freeze]

I got a better question too. At the answer that like, do y' all discuss ex partners with your current partner?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, a little bit. Really? My girl asking me like, yo, you hit that.

[Big Freeze]

You got so much exes to your partner.

[Erickson]

What's even weird? My girl will ask similar, but different is like when you see someone, you're like, oh, I think I did that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's horrible.

[Erickson]

It's horrible.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think everybody here's had that.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo, you be in Dunkin Donuts or something, they be hugging you.

[Mark]

You be like before they take your order.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, yo, he

[Joe Button]

gave you like $12 last these were free.

[Big Freeze]

I don't know how y do it. I don't.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Button]

Y' all been horny all part.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, no, you. You ran into something and you be

[Big Freeze]

like, you discuss ex with Shade before Joe X. Like, do you.

[Joe Button]

I mean, I discuss everything with her.

[Mark]

Oh, for real?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

We'll be outside. My girl that envelope.

[Big Freeze]

Thoughts?

[Mark]

Yeah. My wife asked me if the girls acting funny style, you know, like if they come over and like speak and do some weird or. Or, or do the avo, you know, just weird.

[Big Freeze]

My wife actually sit down funny style.

[Joe Button]

They don't got to be nothing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

My girl going to be like, cuz she can tell.

[Mark]

She know your type, she know you,

[Erickson]

she know your body.

[Joe Button]

We in bed watching the show last night. I must have been sleepy because she was in the bed on her phone and I guess, you know, we sitting up next to each other and I

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

guess

[Joe Button]

her good, good, good, good, good, good friend was posting her son on Instagram who's like a bodybuilder and he was in like the MC Hammer pumps in the bump. Oh, shit draws drawers.

[Erickson]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

And all I heard was, oh, that's such and such. That's my godson. That's such and such and such. Wrote a little dm and then she went to the kitchen to get some water. I sat in that bed long and hard like, is this bitch crazy, Joe? What are you talking. So I had to think, because I'm not one to even broach this topic or have this conversation with nobody, but. But I was so stuck on. Cause I got a thing. I guess that's a trigger for me. Your childhood friend, your godson, your fucking. Oh, we went to middle school. It's like my brother, yo. And they say that shit so casually. I thought that she was in bed and said, oh, shit, my God, son, let me. So she came back to the room. That's it. Hey, quick question.

[Big Freeze]

Tell me.

[Joe Button]

Don't tell me, Joe, cuz I gotta have to talk. I said, hey, when you say like, hey, that's my godson, or hey, my childhood, hey, my mom knows his son.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I said, what does that mean?

[Joe Button]

She said, oh, that means hey, like a. Like a kid to me. Like we grew up together.

[Big Freeze]

I said, I said, said, is he 16?

[Joe Button]

She said, no, no, 29. Oh, 31. Oh, that. Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

I said, so you think that you could sit there and just willy nilly DM some in his drawers?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's doing.

[Joe Button]

Doing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I thought you she DM the girl

[Mark]

that posted story up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I know she DM Roscoe.

[Joe Button]

She did DM the girl, but I missed that part.

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

I thought.

[Joe Button]

I thought she.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, you thought she DM'd.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So we had to have a talk. And boy, when I opened that can of worms, I lost.

[Big Freeze]

Why would you.

[Joe Button]

As I'm saying, Joe, if we had to have a talk about DMs you should send versus DMs. You shouldn't send, who should get em, who not.

[Erickson]

You gotta shut the fuck up.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you just gotta just let that go.

[Mark]

Yeah, shut the shot.

[Joe Button]

I didn't.

[Mark]

What's that?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You gotta choose your boss.

[Joe Button]

I took a stand. Like a real Virgo.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Nah, Sade.

[Joe Button]

Is it your position that because I've done wrong in this relationship that I shouldn't be able to express when I feel away?

[Mark]

Ooh, that's good talk. That's that therapy talk.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, that's that gas.

[Joe Button]

That's that bullshit. That's that gas.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, yo, bring that kerosene.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, that's BP.

[Joe Button]

BP extra pre. That's not the body. That's 95, right? That's my baby. I love it. That was fun. That was fun. But anyway, we talk about all of it. We talk about all of. That's interesting part of that. Cause you've been in my phone a bunch, but she knows some of the mid, so she just knows some of the. Some of it was mid. Some of it just shouldn't have happened. And she knows, man, some of that

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

shit I'm taking to the grave, like, for sure. Yeah.

[Mark]

When they find out it's mid.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But you said it's only a three. Yeah, sometimes I'm taking it to the grave.

[Mark]

When they find out it's mid, is that more comforting to.

[Erickson]

To them they get a little victory lap?

[Joe Button]

Nah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Or does it make them more worried like, you'll anything?

[Joe Button]

No, I'm not safe. It has the opposite. I find it as the opposite effect because they thought they dude was thorough. They thought that. They do.

[Erickson]

They don't know about them nights like you.

[Joe Button]

It's like she go on the phone and see you swinging and missing just in the DM just. And ain't nobody even giving you no rhythm. It's like, not only are you not supposed to be doing this, but. But you look like a herb doing it. And look what you doing it too. You embarrassing me. This ain't even mine. They get into all. Yeah, it's extra.

[Mark]

It's extra. You find it's the opposite that they get to the victory lap. Like, sometimes I'm better.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. When it's your turn, it's gonna hurt. If you did it with some mid. If you did it with some mid. When she's up the bat, it's not gonna be me, boy. It's gonna be bad for you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You mean fl. Flip the scenario.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Cause now that she's seeing what you doing, it don't take much to get you going. She sent a DM to pleasure P of one of these niggas and get you out of pocket.

[Mark]

Would y' all feel better if your girl was fucking a random mid dude as opposed to, like a nigga? Like, better than us on our level.

[Joe Button]

What if you want your girl phone and Swae Lee was in there just in his bag, like, after 22 says, Yo, don't ever say that.

[Erickson]

That's.

[Joe Button]

You are absolutely disgusting, and you should be arrested. What if Swae Lee was in there just swaying? Y' all wouldn't feel away like, if your girl was in there giving Sway Lee rhythm.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah.

[Joe Button]

Let's move off this topic,

[Mark]

it was funny.

[Big Freeze]

It was the other way. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Everybody look all tight in the face. Come on, we can keep it. What else is important? What else is unimportant?

[Erickson]

Speaking of Sway le, you see Mike Will made it. Being talking about the Sway Le French Montana situation.

[Joe Button]

Yes, he. He was.

[Erickson]

He was tight about that. Still is tight about that. No one made no money behind it essentially, except for the Sony, the record label.

[Big Freeze]

Why not?

[Erickson]

Cuz French just kind of did from his. From. From Mike Will's standpoint. Just kind of took the record, jacked it. I'm just putting this out. I put a verse on it. Didn't ask nobody body. Oh just put it in the streets.

[Big Freeze]

But they shot a video. I don't.

[Erickson]

I'm sure after the fact once this because it started to catch traction immediately. It's a hit record, smash record. So now it's. Now it's let's it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So he just. He took the Sway Le record and just threw that verse on there.

[Erickson]

According to. According to Insinuated by Mike Will

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

that make it. It sounded like it was original. It was a Sway Lee record.

[Erickson]

Yeah, that's why there's only like a.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's only that eight bar French bar.

[Joe Button]

Oh, and you come to the studio to. To put a verse on anything in the studio. You'll never hear your verse again like that. That's how it should be. You don't get to come over here, lay vocals on. On a track that I got pulled up. And then when you leave, I send you a version of what you did to my beat or to my song. Hell no. You crazy French would have never heard that verse again. You'd have never heard that verse.

[Erickson]

Gotta be careful playing people and be

[Joe Button]

go to studio sessions trying to song hop like Will. Go to your session trying to just throw a verse on something that you didn't ask for at all.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Just cause they in the.

[Joe Button]

Just cause they in the building. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, let me jump on that.

[Big Freeze]

Give me some records. You think that that happened with the first record? I think is. Well, I don't know. Styles is my man. But I was gonna say be a mouth. Yeah, blow money fast.

[Joe Button]

I do. You say that. It's funny you say that. I just found out the other day that Gucci is on the end of MC Hammer. I never got.

[Erickson]

I don't think I ever knew that.

[Joe Button]

I never got to the Gucci man. Verse in MC Hammer shout out to Gucci. I know, but he's on there.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Threw the out of my headphones, thought

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

you had some remix or something. What the is this?

[Joe Button]

I didn't know what he was doing. That's just not a song I would have put him on. But true. Sometimes you don't let get to the third verse to know what's going on. Or Styles was another one. I was a night in Sin City where they let the last verse rock. I was like, styles P is on this song. Wow. I was so happy for him. I never knew that.

[Erickson]

Shout out to Styles, man.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, go ahead, God damn it.

[Erickson]

Call one.

[Big Freeze]

Some songs just look like they walk in the studio. Say, let me get on that. You can't tell.

[Joe Button]

I think Rosco said that's how no hands happen with W LA Yeah.

[Erickson]

Something, something along.

[Joe Button]

Just intercession jamming Come over. Oh, that's hard. Let me hop on that.

[Mark]

Hey, hey. Pause,

[Joe Button]

pause.

[Erickson]

Everything in the studio is kind of pause worthy if you really stop and think about it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah,

[Erickson]

give it to me one more time. I go harder. It's a lot.

[Joe Button]

There's a lot.

[Erickson]

There's a lot of paws worthy in there.

[Joe Button]

Yo. Go hard. I think you can go harder than that.

[Erickson]

A little tighter.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I ain't gonna lie. Anytime somebody told me that when I went back in there and went harder. Yeah, that's what it needed. Sometimes as a rapper, that's all you need, just some instruction. Great, great verse. But you don't really sound. Come on, let's get it. Come on. You can lay that well, another take.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The right person gotta tell you that, though.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Did you ever have anybody just can't say that?

[Joe Button]

Nah. You know what else is funny? As a rapper sometimes nobody gotta say nothing. You go in there, lay your reverse. You looking through the square to see the room and ain't nobody vibing. Ain't nobody bopping. They not. Damn, that's demoralized.

[Erickson]

Look at the phone or some.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Going to the store while you laying that heat. So.

[Big Freeze]

Told you do your first over before an artist.

[Joe Button]

I'm sure that's happened to me before.

[Big Freeze]

Without you getting offended.

[Joe Button]

I mean, I don't think I. Yeah, I wasn't getting offended of that.

[Big Freeze]

Some people do get offended at that.

[Joe Button]

I didn't get offended at it. My intro to the Game was making. Change their verses, man. So, I mean. I mean, I don't. I didn't get offended. Even though I did have a rule. Like I. I wanted to put my best foot forward all the time so that I didn't have to deal with that guy. Redo a verse. And if you get me one of My best foot is forward. Then you got me. I ain't gonna do that. I think that sucker shit.

[Erickson]

Oh, you talking about, like, redo it after someone else plays.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If there was nothing wrong with your verse and you just got. Got ripped. No, I'm saying, why you changing it?

[Big Freeze]

I'm saying, like a whole. When he told, like, Alicia Keys go re record that. Or like, when we say Shaka Khan told Mary. Did somebody tell me, yo, Joe, like, you was on a record with somebody. Joe, that shit don't sound too good.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, if you was in the studio, house niggas like, yo, dog, I think you could do that better.

[Joe Button]

You don't listen to anything worse has to say. Yeah, if hov give you instruction. If somebody's giving you instruction that you know you respect, and also you can.

[Erickson]

You can tell. Hell, if someone gives you instruction and you go back and listen to it and they're right, I'm gonna go fix this.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's true.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Be too arrogant. Yeah, you tell them that. Nah. What you talking about my fire? That's the problem.

[Joe Button]

Them three that you said you would take to the grave, they got phones still.

[Big Freeze]

Are you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they do.

[Big Freeze]

Are you stupid?

[Erickson]

What?

[Big Freeze]

What the you with that?

[Joe Button]

I want to know.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He want to know who the they are.

[Big Freeze]

That's all.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's cool. I know. I know one that you keep denying. So you. You know, we.

[Joe Button]

We could do unveiling if I denied it didn't happen.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, it happened.

[Big Freeze]

You take it.

[Joe Button]

Y' all know about the ones that I'm going deny. I'm not saying y' all don't know, but it didn't happen. It didn't happen. Oh, get yourself in a sticky situation. That's the one that come and do wonders to your body.

[Big Freeze]

Body.

[Joe Button]

The one that come over. What? This little ugly touching me right here. You be in bed like nobody see this. Yo, the thing. She come over here and do the

[Big Freeze]

back of my knee at 4:12 in the morning.

[Erickson]

Oh, my hard workers man the door. Hard work.

[Joe Button]

That's how you know. Used to leave that door unlocked.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Button]

Leave that door right, Unlock, go back in the dark.

[Mark]

You can imagine.

[Big Freeze]

Yo, keep the light off.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Let me come in moonlight.

[Joe Button]

Good old days. Good old day. We have some horny old men. Yeah, we are terrible horny old men and women.

[Mark]

Oh, go.

[Big Freeze]

No, I was asking you earlier when we was talking about the topic, I was saying that people getting soft y'

[Joe Button]

all the night time now.

[Big Freeze]

No, you just interrupted my whole to

[Joe Button]

say that my last thing cuz. We was just talking about. I didn't want to have to circle back to.

[Erickson]

I prefer not to.

[Mark]

You said, are we at night time?

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Like, how often is night time?

[Big Freeze]

All the time for me.

[Mark]

Most of the time.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

When you have young children, you. When you can. Right.

[Mark]

We got a window sleep. Right.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Let's get it.

[Joe Button]

Forgetting that your kids could live with you. I always factor that in. All right, you were saying Flip, first

[Big Freeze]

of all, I was asking if you. Today, but let's move. Yo, speaking on earlier, I saw you comment on the. Remember the coach. It was a coach yelling in the player's face. Right? And I started to write a tweet and say that.

[Joe Button]

Write the tweet right now.

[Big Freeze]

You need a rough coach sometime. I miss that. I feel like everybody's gotten soft. I mean, a lot of those coaches. I mean, mean, if you go back and say that how we were raised or environmental, you know, our environment led us to.

[Joe Button]

I tried to coach you, Rob. You offered me to a fight, canceled a hit show, stepped to me outside, barked on me, screamed on me.

[Erickson]

Joe, he just wants you to re. Record the verse.

[Big Freeze]

No, no, no. And sometimes we go through that and we ex. We shouldn't have to accept that. But I feel like you need rough coaches.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark]

So the.

[Big Freeze]

The.

[Mark]

The coach. I was just trying to find her name. Brenda. Brenda Free Surface. There's a clip of her doing some real intense coaching to her star player. Oluche, Okinawa, Okanawa. She was in her face. There was a little bit. She was very close to her. The kind of close where you could feel the spit coming out their mouth. And there were people who were, like, outraged by it. I think some of it was the optics of her being a white coach yelling at a black player. I think some of it was just like, you don't yell at players like that, et cetera, to me. And what I was. I was like, I'm with. I think people expected me to be outraged.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I read what she was saying, too. She said, I believe in you.

[Mark]

She was like, I believe in you. This is your story. You know, like, take this moment on, like, I believe in you. She wasn't playing well. She wasn't doing what she was doing.

[Joe Button]

The lip readers got right to it and told us exactly what she was saying. And once you hear that, what is the story?

[Mark]

It's harder to be pissed.

[Joe Button]

She said, yo, this is your story. I'm not in it. Right. It's your time. I believe in you. But everything y' all do said, you got to believe in yourself. Now's your moment. Go take it to him.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

She could have been in her face saying, yo, you playing like you could do better. Get the out there. What are you doing? What's your problem? What the is your problem? You what you playing like? Blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what coaches do, yo. Some coaches motivate their players in other, other, in other ways.

[Joe Button]

The good, the good coaches, you know, do what y' all are saying. But the bad coaches, when they do this same move is normally it's coming, coming right before them left. There's some coaches that if they that close to you, a boo bop is

[Big Freeze]

coming right in the stomach.

[Mark]

I think there are limits even if you love me. But this coach wasn't nowhere near the limit.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, not even close.

[Mark]

Not even close.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Not even close to me.

[Erickson]

Screaming at me, I believe in you is thank you.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't think you said the optic of the black kid. I think it's like, what the fuck are we doing?

[Mark]

I mean when John Thompson did it to AI know him was like, what's going on? I think part of his generation. I do think this generation is getting soft. Yeah. And I think, I don't want to just say, well. Cause they did it back in the day and it worked. That's true that we can't, true that we can't like change again. I'm all for change. I'm all for more gentle approaches, more humane approaches to things. I just don't think we need it on this thing. I just don't think there's another way to get a player in a sport this competitive motivated sometimes other than to match their intensity.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Certain things.

[Big Freeze]

So what do you say to the people that see that the reason why we accept that is because of what happened in our homes. What do you say to those people? And we have to go back and change that all that. I'm not saying stupid, but I think

[Mark]

it depends on what we're talking about. Again, there's a lot of arguments for why we shouldn't do football, right. In terms of it being a gladiator sport, blah, blah, blah. But if we doing it, I don't know how to get someone to literally run through a wall other than to get them hype enough to run through a fucking wall.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You said when you went to Zion, random game. You never seen Zaire be like that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yo dog, these are grown. 260, 200 in some cases. 350 pound men. You're gonna be like, yo, Bubba, I

[Erickson]

think you could do better. Actually, have you considered time?

[Mark]

Just bounce off the block, break his neck.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, what the are we talking about? I think in competitive sports, yo, your emotions are high. You're passionate about what you're doing. We start yelling up here about you talking about the NCAA tournament and wanting to win and be successful. And you want to see kids that you believe in do their best sometimes, yo, go harder to the whole night. Don't worry. And I know you better than that. And you might not get the most out of that player until you. Part of my French put belt to ass.

[Mark]

Right.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You get what I'm saying? And so I, I just think that you assess your players. If you, the coach and you, you been with them for three, four years, you know what's going to get the best out of that? And it's really no problem with that.

[Mark]

And it's a relationship. Indeed. By the time we're in the fourth quarter with 10 seconds left, and you're like, what the fuck are you doing? You know what I mean? Set a fucking screen. I've spent a year, two, three, four with you. You've hugged me, you've talked to me, you've taught me, I've cried. We've had such a relationship that by the time we get to that moment, I trust you, I care about you, I love you, and I can depend on you for that shit.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Hold that fucking screen two seconds longer. You bounced out the screen too quickly. I don't think nothing.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Now if I just met you, that's different.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, totally different.

[Mark]

You know, and you, and you, you still coach with intensity, but there's different levels. So I don't need even. What she said, based on the Ripley lip readers, made it to me unassailable. But even if it were more intense and, and, and less warm and fuzzy in the wording, I'm still not against it in the fourth quarter. And you heard the girl afterward. She said, I like being coached.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, no, yeah, I think we make.

[Joe Button]

That's gonna get her drafted.

[Big Freeze]

I think.

[Joe Button]

I mean, she might have been getting drafted anyway because I'm not familiar with her. But that attitude, what you said after that.

[Mark]

Yeah, that's what people want to hear.

[Joe Button]

That's how, that's how you handle that. Speaking of. Speaking of coaching, speaking of good coaching. Well, kinda. Tommy Lee, how would you guys know. How would you guys like to be given bad news from your representation?

[Big Freeze]

Whose representation?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What you mean? Yeah, whoever.

[Joe Button]

Representation. Whoever that is. Whoever. Whatever your funnel is that you work with. How would you like to receive bad News from them.

[Mark]

Phone call or text. Indirect.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Very direct. Don't talk around the bush. Straight up.

[Joe Button]

How much of a filter would you like them to put on news that's bad to you? Like when your person is reaching out, talking to the deal makers or whoever they talking to. What if they get some brutally honest truths back about you?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

See, I think that's the job of the manager or the middleman to know that they. That they could. Soften the blow. You know what I'm saying? Yo, dog, the deal ain't go through. They had some reservations. Whatever, whatever. They don't have to be like, yo, they said you a motherfucking. They don't have to do that. Yeah, you don't have to do that.

[Mark]

Say. Say the things that I need to know to get better or to move forward. Don't say things that are just gonna hurt my feelings.

[Joe Button]

I agree.

[Mark]

When I first started hosting, I tried out for this, audition for this, to host this show about feral kids. You know, like kids that are like animals. They live in the wild. It's called Wild Child.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Mark]

They thought I'd be good for you.

[Joe Button]

Was gonna be in the wild no matter what, boy.

[Mark]

Yo, nigga, I needed this job. This is my first big opportunity, and I was terrible. I knew what I was doing, and I didn't know how to re. Prompt her. I didn't know how to kind of navigate. I was. I was good with the interviews and all that shit, but there was some technical stuff I just didn't know how to do because I'd never done it before.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Mark]

And my agent called me and said, they like you, but they didn't think you were ready yet. That's all I needed to know, to know what I needed to do. I'm sure what they said is, why'd you send us this guy? He can't even do the prompter. He can't. Blah, blah, blah. He didn't need to say all that. They didn't need to say you sucked on the prompter or, you know, you didn't transition well or, you know, whatever. I need to know that. Cause that would have just made me self conscious and worried. But saying I wasn't ready yet told me, all right, I need to prepare, work harder. Yeah. And I knew exactly what I need to work on.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's the perfect motivation.

[Erickson]

Well, see, I would like that information, the prompter reading. Like, I would want to get that information. Maybe not at that exact time.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

But if I were in that situation, I would want my manager to be like, oh, by the way, we should also work on.

[Mark]

And he kind of did that. And also it was kind of. I knew what the audition looked like, so I knew. I knew what went well.

[Erickson]

Some people aren't that self aware.

[Mark]

That's very. That's very true.

[Big Freeze]

What do you mean?

[Mark]

And that's where you have to know your client. Yeah, you have to know your client.

[Big Freeze]

I mean I agree with him. Like to have the filler to. So you won't react or a like me. You tell a like me that I'm mad at the whole company. Burn that whole down them. But you need somebody to tell you like to try to soften the blow based on the person that's receiving information.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Let's say Mark didn't.

[Joe Button]

Would you like for. Would you like for your rep. I'm sorry? Would you like for your representation to tell you if a company was racist? Yes.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah, I would.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Without you ain't even got to go into specifics. You could just be like, yo, like I'm put my Ian voice on your buddy. They weren't really the. You know they. They weren't.

[Erickson]

I would want to know.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I want to know. You don't got to go into the comments that racist toward you.

[Joe Button]

I'm saying yes.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You don't even got to go into the comments. You could say, yo, they aren't a good fit for us. They was on some racial. They are biased and just not because even if.

[Big Freeze]

Even if they go with it later on you'll find out they're racist. And when you find out that they're racist or they're racist towards you, meaning like now them being racist towards you meaning that you won't get the job. Because sometimes they could be racist towards you, but your representation can still work out something and you get through the

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

door or you be profitable and they'll take a gamble even though they don't really want to fuck with you. But these niggas.

[Big Freeze]

So in this situation, what would it be? Would it be like, you know, they're racist and they don't want to fuck with you or they're racist, racist.

[Joe Button]

No, they're not with you.

[Erickson]

I would want to know because I don't want to ever. Sometimes you'll have like still positive things to say about someone who didn't.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Erickson]

Bring you on. But if I know they're on, I don't want to ever be positive towards them again. I might not on them publicly, but I'm not ever going to say nothing nice about them.

[Mark]

I want to at least know.

[Joe Button]

Would you like to be told if they. And I'll close on this. If they told. If. Would you like to be told if they told your team that your asking price was laughable?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Erickson]

Yeah, probably.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Not laughable.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I would just. There's a way to say that without. Let me. Let me ask they. On your asking price. There's a way to say it. If I'm in your position. Yeah, I would want to know. Right? But if. Let's say me, because y'. All, we in different levels. So let's just say I have representation and they were shopping me to somebody, and our number was X. And it was like, what, are you, crazy? Better get out of here. But for you, because you are in an ownership role or you see yourself in a certain place, me and you, I don't view where I would be and you where you are in the same. So I think all that information should come back to you, my agent, for me, I don't think it's not.

[Erickson]

I would always want to know that I may have to adjust my pricing accordingly.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But that's a conversation for you and your agent to have at another time without them telling you, yo, these laughed us out the room. You know what I'm saying?

[Mark]

Maybe I'd want to know right away that because a lot of time when they say it's laughable, they just don't

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

want to pay you.

[Mark]

It wouldn't necessarily make me feel like I was making. I either would say I need to adjust my price or I need to hold out for. For my price. It might make me more steadfast. But I would want to know also, I want to know that it ain't my talent.

[Erickson]

And also, like, I might.

[Mark]

You know what I'm saying?

[Erickson]

I might want the gig. So, like, just the price for the gig. Like, maybe if I really think this is a good look or it's a good opportunity or I could see something in the future. All right, let me. Let's work on the price. But maybe it doesn't have to be this astronomical. Let's figure out something that's more reasonable, potentially, you know?

[Joe Button]

Got it.

[Erickson]

Case by case basis, obviously, but for sure.

[Joe Button]

All right, what else is important? What?

[Mark]

LaRusso deleted his.

[Joe Button]

Oh, God.

[Mark]

Social media.

[Erickson]

Y' all scared the Russell off the Internet.

[Joe Button]

Good.

[Erickson]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

N. Somebody got to him. Somebody. Somebody got to him, probably that. That he respects and would listen to.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's what you think?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Erickson]

You just kept doubling, tripling, quadrupling down.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like, if you going that far with the double. The triple down.

[Joe Button]

He don't respond to well. Like, it only took me the last month to learn that. Yeah, anybody could get into something on the Internet, but how he responds to just wasn't working out. Yeah. So take a little break. Do everybody a favor. Just.

[Big Freeze]

Just fall back.

[Joe Button]

Go ahead and get out of here. Get out of here. Ain't nothing good coming from these talking points. Points.

[Erickson]

He'll be right back.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he'll be back. Like he never left, but he did the right thing.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Joe Button]

More. Y' all need to get off the Internet.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What else? What else?

[Joe Button]

What else? They're doing a Kevin Hart roast on Netflix May 10, hosted by Shane Gillis. None other than.

[Erickson]

Nice shout out to Shane. That's dope. That's a good look.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yeah. I think this is gonna be super fire. I enjoy the Netflix roasts. I think Kevin Hart is gonna have the right people doing it. I expect to see the tall white girl, Nikki Glaser.

[Mark]

There's only one other person.

[Joe Button]

Dave Chappelle. Jerry Seinfeld.

[Mark]

Yeah, I could live without Jason. I just don't think he's funny anymore.

[Erickson]

He might not be good at roasts.

[Mark]

Yeah, that don't seem like his shtick. He'd be good for the celeb presence, but, you know.

[Joe Button]

Did y' all see Jerry Seinfeld at. What is those? Damn. I don't remember the award. The award.

[Mark]

Twain.

[Joe Button]

The Twain. Did y' all see. Did y' all see him at the Twain Awards?

[Erickson]

I don't think I saw it.

[Big Freeze]

No, I didn't see it.

[Erickson]

If it was, I forgotten about it. I like Jerry.

[Joe Button]

He was hilarious. Introducing Kev.

[Mark]

I just roast.

[Joe Button]

Roasting Kev.

[Erickson]

Oh, I missed that one.

[Mark]

Then I think I need to see it. I didn't see it. To answer your question. I need to see.

[Joe Button]

That was the bit where he was like, I know, Kev. I'm not here for a favor. He did a favor bit. You never heard of Jerry Seinfeld? Favorite bit. We played it up here. It's possible.

[Erickson]

Yeah, it's possible.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, I thought that was hilarious.

[Mark]

I want to see Jeff Ross.

[Erickson]

I'm sure he'll be.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark]

To me, there's nobody.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He gonna be there.

[Mark]

He gotta be.

[Joe Button]

Jeff Ross is the man. TV comedian dude.

[Erickson]

No, the bald dude.

[Joe Button]

No, no.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He's had all the ro.

[Mark]

He's been a staple on all the Comedy Central joints.

[Big Freeze]

He's.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He's gonna be there.

[Mark]

He kills everybody. To me, him and Nikki Glazer are the two.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yep.

[Mark]

That just like Every.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah they can feel it. Them two there we know we gotta hit cuz coming.

[Mark]

Yeah yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's all I care about is her. Honestly. I don't even care about the ball. Dude.

[Joe Button]

Let me pull up a picture of Jeff Ross. You definitely know that's not the part that's in question. Let me just see who this.

[Mark]

He's hilarious.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He get busy on the roof. I think he said some inappropriate not too long ago.

[Mark]

That's all he do.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, like yeah.

[Erickson]

It's his whole Jeff Ross. Yeah, yeah,

[Big Freeze]

yeah.

[Erickson]

You're going to know when you see his face.

[Joe Button]

Oh yeah. The look like a thumb. Yeah. No he's funny.

[Erickson]

He's very funny.

[Joe Button]

He's funny.

[Big Freeze]

He funny.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He's great at a roast.

[Joe Button]

I don't know about what you did to Seinfeld name just to big up Jeff Ross but we'll talk about that off air. Look that was kind of crazy.

[Mark]

I went to see.

[Joe Button]

Tell me you don't.

[Mark]

I don't got. It's not personal. I don't know him.

[Big Freeze]

I just.

[Mark]

I went to see Jerry Seinfeld his last comedy tour. I went to see him live. Like I'm a. I'm a comedy fan so I went to see him. Just wasn't funny. I watched his special.

[Erickson]

He's always been a dad joke dude.

[Mark]

Yeah, he's not that funny.

[Erickson]

He's more funny with Larry David.

[Mark]

Larry.

[Joe Button]

Yes. That remind me of back in the day when rest in peace to Caroline's. I would just go to Caroline's just to see whoever just cuz Caroline's was a good date. Always a good night out. I went there. I went there for. Who was that? David Alan Greer one time. Boy he was the worst.

[Erickson]

Really.

[Joe Button]

He was absolutely. I didn't enjoy him.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Was he one of them?

[Joe Button]

I don't think none of nobody at my table enjoyed him. And we had like a table of 10 seated like right next on the side of the stage and it was like if I had tomatoes on me.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's your worst comedian live

[Joe Button]

at least notable probably. Probably. I mean I've had some really tense Paul Mooney sets I was a part of. Part of too. But they weren't bad sets but they were tense.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I could imagine.

[Mark]

I could live with 10.

[Joe Button]

Sometimes that is uncomfortable. Sometimes that is uncomfortable.

[Big Freeze]

What do you mean?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Was it like on a racial tip or the.

[Big Freeze]

Yes.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

And you know and like let's just say hypothetically going to Caroline's. Just hypothetically on a random night Caroline's is going to be white.

[Mark]

On any night.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying? That is going to be heavily, heavily, heavily Caucasian. And Paul Mooney used to give. He gonna go in there and he

[Mark]

gets off on that shit too.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. But sometimes, like, okay, sometimes I would see like white people get up to leave the Paul Mooney set.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think that was his goal.

[Erickson]

Yes.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I want to make y' all so uncomfortable that you get up and leave.

[Erickson]

I think he was willing to bomb the set. Yeah. To fucking.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

For that.

[Erickson]

For that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's his moment.

[Joe Button]

I'm. See, I'm not with that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

I'm not with that.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Me either.

[Joe Button]

Like if I'm a customer somewhere.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

If you're a consumer, you're a patron somewhere, then there has to be some level of respect. I'm with you being a comedian and doing your job. But once the white people get up, like, you know what? Maybe this particular comedian is not for me. I'll leave peacefully and quietly. That's when he used to go awol. Awol, yeah, that's when he used to. That was the long walk out for them. And the things he used to say to them, people that were just trying to leave was like, yo, dog, like, this is not necessary right now.

[Big Freeze]

Is there any way.

[Joe Button]

And I seen Paul Mooney. I'm sorry, Flip. I seen Paul mooney at least nine to.

[Big Freeze]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

12 times in Caroline's. I'm only talking about maybe twice where I was uncomfortable.

[Big Freeze]

Is there any white comedians that did it to black. Black cop, black patrons that got up and walked away.

[Joe Button]

I've had that before too. I told the story up here.

[Mark]

Michael Richards, definitely.

[Big Freeze]

I saw the Kramer one, but. And people getting up. I remember that.

[Joe Button]

That was bad.

[Mark]

That was bad. And it wasn't funny either.

[Erickson]

It wasn't fun. No.

[Joe Button]

I've had the experience of going to a comedy show with an extremely beautiful dark skinned woman. And the comedian on stage, a beginner comedian, said something totally out of pocket. I've told that story up here.

[Mark]

A colorist.

[Big Freeze]

I didn't know that past colorist.

[Erickson]

It was a white comedian.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Oh, I might get you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

That come with some.

[Big Freeze]

How did you handle that? I don't know that.

[Joe Button]

So I went to the stage. They had to pull. They had to get him off. Then they. I had to. They asked me to walk out. The owner came out, spoke to me, apologized, kicked him out. Yada yada, yada.

[Erickson]

Good.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, good for you.

[Joe Button]

It was so bad. We was gonna wait after outside, like we gonna see him for what he's saying I'm on a date.

[Big Freeze]

So do you believe that every night

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I gotta fight to show my love.

[Big Freeze]

So you say that because. So you're not against comedians roasting people in the crowd, but you're against the race racism. Of course we're against racism. But you're not against that comedians or rows of people in the crowd. Cuz some people are against that. Some people feel like as a comic you should not bother anybody in the crowd.

[Joe Button]

No, I don't feel like that. I don't feel like that. But you can't be a racist and just be mean. And break. Break. Set now to just spew mean at an audience member.

[Mark]

And mean is the right word to me. Like teasing with people jokes. Fine. Once it gets to the level of meanness or like actual harmful. Yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Like getting off your personal feelings. I think that shit is whack. This ain't comedy no more.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, like the person I was with, like I think she got up and like it was a thing like she asked him to stop, he didn't stop. She got up. Was visibly uncomfortable, shaken by some of the things being said. Like like if I don't beat you up now, it's gonna look away.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Or if I don't tell manager the management to get you the out of here because it's a security threat. Cause we gonna do something to you when you get out of here then.

[Mark]

How'd your date react?

[Joe Button]

I just told you.

[Mark]

I mean. No, I mean towards you. Towards you.

[Big Freeze]

I mean like did you. Naked protected me

[Joe Button]

safe my. What you talking about? City rich back. City rich back. City rich. What the you mean we talk about that we terrible. Well how did she. She decided to pop it for a then look back and told me baby, you know how she reacted.

[Mark]

Yeah, especially white girls. Get it

[Erickson]

dogs.

[Big Freeze]

Girl, shut your ass up. Duh.

[Joe Button]

You think I would bring a white girl to a comedy show?

[Mark]

Yeah, that's a good place to. If you are going. I'm not saying you did.

[Joe Button]

I wouldn't.

[Mark]

But that's a good place to hide.

[Erickson]

Wait now hold up.

[Mark]

Cuz no other black people going to be there.

[Erickson]

If the comedian was being racist towards the white girl, that would be a different response, I think.

[Joe Button]

Well I told Mark she was a dark skinned sister. But anyway. But no, I'm not. Nah. A white girl at a comedy show.

[Mark]

If you were going to hide it. If you were going to go hypothetically on a date with somebody. Somebody that you don't want black people to see.

[Big Freeze]

No black people at comedy depends on

[Mark]

what comedy show you go to? That's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I want to go to one I'm enjoying, so the one I'm gonna enjoy. Black people gonna be there.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Mark]

So you like black comedians?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I like certain style of comedy.

[Joe Button]

You don't. Oh, my God.

[Mark]

I love black comedians. I love black comedians.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

But where they rank with black quarterbacks

[Mark]

to you, I'm not gonna do that more. I love black quarterbacks and black comedians. But what I'm saying is there are also a lot of comedians I love who are not. Not black. And so. So there's a good chance.

[Big Freeze]

Let me guess what? Let me guess what. Sudan. Right?

[Mark]

There's just a good chance that if I go to a comedy club to see my favorite comedians that night, there's a good chance that. And you go in New York, comedy lines, there might be one black comedian, three white comedians. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with the opposite, too. But I'm just saying, on a lot of nights in New York in particular, you're not gonna get on a lot of comedy lines.

[Joe Button]

I missed the comedy show I was trying to go see a couple days ago, man. I told y' all about the comedy shows. Yeah, Shorty, man.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man.

[Erickson]

Sorry that happened to you.

[Joe Button]

I missed the New York date and the New Jersey date.

[Erickson]

I'm sure she'll be in D.C. who?

[Joe Button]

She's in Rhode island in August.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Damn. She was just in New York over the weekend.

[Erickson]

Who?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I know this real funny comedian.

[Mark]

Hilarious.

[Joe Button]

I had to work both nights and my girl was with me. It's different meeting me without my girl.

[Mark]

Her name.

[Joe Button]

They don't have any y'.

[Erickson]

All.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Why is that my ass?

[Joe Button]

I'm asking y' all that. That's not the case for y'. All.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I was asking you first.

[Joe Button]

I can't figure it out. That's why I'm asking my brothers.

[Mark]

I have no idea.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't need

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

no.

[Joe Button]

I'm asking y' all for real, my brother. Is it the same means of mine? Like when you're alone? Like when you.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I don't meet people alone.

[Joe Button]

My lady's always with me permanent plus

[Big Freeze]

one in my heart he talking about is not the same.

[Mark]

Nope.

[Big Freeze]

Hey, what's up, girl? Hey. Oh, y', all, I'm a fan. When your girl there. How you doing? You shaking hands and you got keep social distance. Ah, nigga, how you doing?

[Erickson]

She got Covid.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

She got Covid.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Your wife is there. I can't even Hug nobody. Properly.

[Erickson]

Properly.

[Mark]

What's the proper hug?

[Joe Button]

What's the hard twin?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

What's the proper.

[Big Freeze]

You can't hug with the snicker on, nigga. You crazy.

[Joe Button]

Hips back, straight chirp.

[Big Freeze]

Church two pets.

[Joe Button]

Anyway, I'm gonna catch you in Rhode island in August.

[Mark]

Let me know how it was the

[Joe Button]

set and I saw a couple clips and show was looking crazy. Oh, you saw the clips too?

[Mark]

I'm gonna send you the link. Her style of comedy is the kind that I think resonates with all of us up here.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, she's really funny.

[Mark]

She's black. I don't see race.

[Joe Button]

Oh, shit.

[Big Freeze]

All you niggas is sellouts for all that black power shit.

[Joe Button]

You.

[Big Freeze]

You show all this shit.

[Mark]

I love comedy.

[Big Freeze]

Come on, Mark, you gotta.

[Mark]

Comedy knows no comedy.

[Big Freeze]

Who's your favorite white comedy?

[Mark]

Bill Burr.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Freeze]

Okay, got it.

[Joe Button]

Yo, a lot of people are hitting my phone asking me if I have the suite for the Jay Z.

[Big Freeze]

Cause we talked about it. Asked me too.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Cause you said you think y' all coming in my suite, which implies you have a suite.

[Joe Button]

But people that ain't hitting me for no show. I've been to New Edition, Tank.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Those were accessible, right? You seen the queue for New Edition and Tank. And you know, no offense. And you see the queue for Jay Z.

[Mark]

What?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No Q? That's my point. Right, That's.

[Mark]

I'm trying to be right. Polite, cuz. This is the other shows. You just needed money to get tickets. Here you need money and a hookup.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

The Q said there is no Q no more for the show. They just announced.

[Mark]

Yeah, my homegirl was the ranked number one million. And she, she logged in like right at the time that you're supposed to.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I clicked in at 100. Was it 102 or 2? I was 22,000. And then when I went back.

[Big Freeze]

This is my uncle at said, there's no clue.

[Erickson]

He's still in the queue.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, the queue is closed.

[Mark]

He got the seat.

[Big Freeze]

He got a seat.

[Mark]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got. Tell your uncle, see if you want to make some money. Ask your uncle if you want to make some money. Yo, I got. I kept.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I was going to say Wale had put a record out that I wanted to come in here and play, but now I can't find it anymore anywhere. But boy is a heat.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

So he took it down. I. I tried to get the record. He said, it ain't finished. I'm gonna finish it tonight. So it was just a teaser.

[Joe Button]

That's why it's not clear to sample or something. Something didn't get clear. That song was done. We didn't need no more Wale vocals on that one. That was. That was a joint and I'm sure a lot of the comments told you it was a joint. Also last time I was in here, I didn't put the proper respect on my sister. Alex Isley, that new album. Who dropped a project? I'mma just get right to this. James Fauntleroy when the City Sleeps because it's like that. And again I meant to do this last part. When the City Sleeps Alex Eisley the name of the project and the name of this song. Incredible project is worth vibed out. Hey hey. Let's go then. Friends of the show, Alex Eisley when the City Sleeps Feature a final word. Let's go. You know I can't sleep I can't

[Mark]

face the moon too much too home.

[Joe Button]

I only feel safe in the daylight

[Mark]

when there's something to do

[Malcolm Sex Ish]

other than

[Joe Button]

think I think of you

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

and I don't want to.

[Big Freeze]

You know I can't sleep I can't count on you need an AP to put it out on you Been a long time since I memorized a number you're the only one I don't I Midnight if it takes all night getting you right then I'm here

[Joe Button]

the world's asleep they can't hear whispering my ear. When the City Sleeps featuring James F. Laroy. Entire project is a vibe shout out to our good friend of the show, Alex Ot nicely.

[Erickson]

That sounds great.

[Joe Button]

Album is fire, the album is heat. Let's see.

[Mark]

Let's sleep.

[Big Freeze]

I thought you brought it back.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no. But speaking of bringing things back, I got a part of the show here from somebody named Ish Mans. I'm reading this in real time for the first time, so this person says story time. I'll make it as short as possible. Bear with me. My wife and I have four kids total. Two she had before me and twins we had together my firstborns. A year after our kids, we were pregnant again one week we was beefing. Serious, I'm assuming to her, but it wasn't as serious to me. I viewed it as petty but not worth beefing about. I said it was serious to her because I gave her distance while I was working on that. And that led to her texting me saying she's going to get an abortion. I responded saying, no, you are not well. It's just man, you don't have a choice in that one. Sorry, buddy, I will not be paying to kill my child. She hit me with my body, my choice. I stood firm on my stance. Come to find out she lied to her dad to get the money to do it and had it done. Till this day, I hold resentment for.

[Big Freeze]

For that.

[Joe Button]

That's not the kicker. Now, three years later, she's saying she's getting her tubes tied because she's turning 37 and has four kids. I said, I'm not okay with that. She says I'm being selfish and that I should be okay with the twins. I said, you're saying that because you had two kids before me, one of which is 18 now. I feel like she's abusing this my body, my choice mentality. I told her if she does. If she does this like she did the abortion, then I will be leaving this relationship for good, because I haven't all the way forgiven you for that. She claims she has an appointment in two weeks. I think it's a bluff. But if real, would I be wrong to leave this relationship? Signed ish's mans. Hopefully y' all were able to keep up with that.

[Erickson]

That's heavy.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's heavy. Yeah, that's.

[Mark]

That's complicated.

[Erickson]

It is.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I disagree with him saying she's abusing my body, my choice, because it is her body, her Choice, and she's 37. I mean, yeah, with medicines and stuff. Today, women are having healthy pregnancies much later, but she might not want to go through that anymore. You're higher risk. So she might say, I'm done. I think she has the right to do that.

[Big Freeze]

I mean, he's saying, is he wrong for leaving a relationship? Now you got to do what. What's best for you. If you feel. I think. I think that you shouldn't leave the relationship. I think that a relationship takes two, and she may need your support. She still would need your support. But if you. If you have to leave in order to keep your sanity because you draw a line, then you got to do what you got to do. If it's, you know, to keep peace in the home, is you smiling, what's up, Ish?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, it's a real. It's a real complication.

[Big Freeze]

You think you should leave?

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

No, I just think it's a complicated thing. I think that's your man.

[Big Freeze]

My fault.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think that. No, know that. I think that.

[Joe Button]

I don't know if you don't.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think that Shorty's definitely right when she says her body, her choice. I think that if she wants to tie her tubes, she can do So I also think that in real relationships, I think it's a conversation to be had. Like, he may want more kids, she may not want more kids. I think that those are conversations to be had and she does reserve the right to change her mind. You get what I'm saying? I just think that it's a real slippery slope. I think if he wants more kids and he leaves the relationship now, your twins suffer. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. It's really no definitive answer. And it's not a right or wrong thing. It's more of an emotional thing on both of their behalfs. It's a real tough, tough time. Throw some prayers to him.

[Joe Button]

I agree.

[Mark]

I mean, people have a right to change their mind. People have a right to change their minds. I think, though, when you enter a relationship, it depends on what commitments you made. You know, like if. What if he did that? What if she said, like, I want kids. I'm committed to having three kids, three or four more kids. And that was the condition of them getting married. And he go get snipped or just says, you know what? I don't want no more kids. I changed my mind. Now again, he has a right to do it. But I do think what got us into that relationship should at least be part of the conversation. I still agree. Her body, her choice. She should be able to do whatever she wants with her body. And I agree with Flip. Yeah, he has a right to leave. I don't think he's wrong to leave. I think if you want a thing and that person doesn't want that thing anymore or ever, then people have a right to leave, to say, well, she has a right to change her mind. He has a right to change his mind about the commitment. I think that's ok. Okay, I agree. And also, she could. She could just throw a little bit of bell. She could have just been secretly taking birth control. I appreciate that she was honest with him. Instead of getting a tube style, she could have done this on the low and not told him and had him thinking they were trying to have a kid all this time until you ran out of field. So I appreciate her transparency and honesty about it. You know, I don't know enough about what they agreed to going in to know how big of a pivot this is. But, yeah, like everybody's saying it's messy.

[Erickson]

Yeah, I would just be careful, I guess. I agree with what everyone said. I would just be careful with throwing away potentially a good relationship and a good person because of this. Unless it's really something that you really feel that strongly.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, exactly. Because how good can a person be if she's going against of their going against your. What you truly believe in? I mean, you could be good. But I'll never be happy in this situation because it'll never leave me. Well, I would always regret being in this situation. I will always. Think, think, what if unless we go together and get the proper help.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

He said he's already resentful based on the first abortion that she had.

[Mark]

Yeah. And that ain't gonna get right unless they have another kid. It sounds like that's about the only thing that's gonna make them feel better about it.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I think again, my thing is if he leaves, that's definitely a choice on him for sure. But your twins are gonna suffer and I'm sure the other two kids that have grown to know him are gonna suffer as well. So it's really a bad thing.

[Erickson]

And again, I would just caution if everything else is good in the relationship. I don't know if I would give that up word personally.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Break baby.

[Joe Button]

Break baby. You scream.

[Erickson]

I mean, that is an option. That is an option.

[Mark]

Huh?

[Joe Button]

Well, hope we was able to help.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

When you have a baby on a break.

[Joe Button]

Baby. All right, hopefully y' all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Until next time, keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Till next time, we bid you would do farewell. Adio. Cerebra. Dirchi. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long, goodbye. A simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments past. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Last but certainly not least. The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel. And the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol, you might need it again. I urge you, if you are traveling out there, if you are vacaying or visiting family or just moving and shaking. Those airports are twisted. It is not a game. You might want to give yourself. Myself four to five hours. Honestly.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they say they saying five to get to the airport.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, five hours if you open up the LaGuardia app. The EWR app. Some of these. Some of these airports are telling you what the wait time is.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I got lucky the other day.

[Joe Button]

I was. You been getting lucky for an eternity.

[Mark]

Boy, you walked into that.

[Joe Button]

Come on. I don't sleep so stupid.

[Erickson]

I was thinking about going wait next weekend, but I don't know. It might be a dub for that.

[Big Freeze]

Yeah, I'm supposed to travel. I'm traveling next week, too.

[Erickson]

I don't know about that no more,

[Big Freeze]

but I want to say happy birthday to my son, Nico. I mean, shout out to Nico. Happy birthday. Not me.

[Mark]

I'mma him up.

[Big Freeze]

But, you know, watch your mouth.

[Joe Button]

Happy birthday to Nico. Like, y', all, I'm supposed to be traveling next weekend, but you in South Carolina. I'm supposed to. But this is looking like this n.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

I was up, dog, dog. I flew through the airport on some Lucky.

[Mark]

Like, I was like, commercial.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Oh,

[Big Freeze]

and it's some TSA going on. I don't know. I'm out of loop.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Some tsa.

[Joe Button]

Yo, pay them. Yo, just pay them.

[Big Freeze]

Why?

[Erickson]

Yeah, they trying to break up the union and all that now.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

It's.

[Mark]

That's.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

That's some politics.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, politics as usual, man.

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

Basically.

[Joe Button]

Damn. Until next time, y' all hold it down. We going. You've never heard of Joe, buddy,

[Erickson]

We'll

[Dr. Dark Lamont Hill]

fold that up right now.