Episode 923 | "Old School Music Is Always A Vibe"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 923 | “Old School Music Is Always A Vibe”
Date: April 25, 2026
Host: Joe Budden & The Joe Budden Network

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Episode Overview

Episode 923 is a classically chaotic but insightful ride with Joe Budden and his crew. Titled "Old School Music Is Always A Vibe," the episode riffs on flirtation playbooks, social media etiquette, music reviews, sports hot takes, and viral controversies, all steeped in their signature banter. Noteworthy are their spirited breakdown of the new Michael Jackson biopic, a glowing review for Kehlani’s new album, and in-depth commentary on the nuances of modern relationships and recent cultural flashpoints.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. “Running the Play” — Flirting, Friendship, and Old Tricks

• The guys open with classic back-and-forth, accusing one another of running the same old “plays” in flirting and how their skills have evolved.
• Joe applauds Ish’s recent game:
  • Joe (04:02): "To hear him set up plays now—I’m like, my boy is the Eric Spoelstra. This n*** is Kevin Booker."*
• Lively debate on whether being quiet or shy counts as a “play,” with jokes about being accused of being “thirsty” for subtle social media interactions (commenting fire emojis, etc.).
• Extended riff on the dangers of fans introducing their girlfriends to the hosts (“boy suicide”—07:50) and the group’s awareness that their significant others are, in fact, watching everything.

2. Instagram Etiquette and Relationship Dynamics

• Joe shares a comical personal anecdote about his girlfriend catching him leaving “ooh, old school music is always a vibe” on a woman’s photo—setting off an extended philosophy discussion on what constitutes disrespectful online behavior:
  • Joe (22:00): “Old school music is always a vibe.”
  • Joe’s girlfriend: “If I see it one more time, that’s your ass.”
• Everyone admits to having lines at home around commenting, likes, and online interaction (“no comments under IG pictures...but maybe for a workout girl”).
• Breakdown of what type of comments are ‘safe’ (fire emojis for achievements, but not for bikini pictures).

3. Michael Jackson Biopic Review

• Main event: multi-faceted, passionate, and contentious group film review.
• Perspectives range from “I enjoyed it!” (especially from non-superfans) to sharp critique (“absolute trash,” “surface level,” “spoof slap in the face”) for its shallow storytelling and weak casting, especially the portrayal of young Michael:
  • Joe (45:16): “That little n*** stunk...He didn’t move like Mike. He didn’t sound like him. He didn’t act like him.”*
• Serious debate about the film’s approach to Michael’s artistry, struggles, and family involvement in creative control.
• Mark Lamont Hill commends some nuance but echoes disappointment in neglecting creative depth and whitewashing family abuse.
• General agreement the movie’s best feature is “the music is so good, you can’t walk out.”
• Notable Moment (49:29):
  • Parks: “My biggest laugh was Bubbles at the board.”

4. Kehlani Album Review – Full Track-by-Track Vibes

• The crew goes deep on Kehlani’s new album, giving it rave reviews for songwriting, performance, and production:
  • Joe (83:02): “It’s amazing. Absolutely amazing.”
  • Joe (84:16, on Brandy feature): “This sound like it’s supposed to be on the Full Moon album.”
• Praises Brandy’s features (“Folded” and “I Need You”), the Janet-Jackson-esque influences, and standout tracks written by Tank, Carrie Hilson, Leon Thomas, and production by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis.
• Banter gets playfully raunchy and personal, celebrating R&B's “soft side of a thug” moments.

5. Anticipation for Drake’s New Album

• Debate on the aftermath of Drake’s recent “loss” in his battle with Kendrick and how that affects fan engagement for his upcoming album.
• Is it possible to trash a rapper for a loss and still celebrate new music? Gatekeeping, stan culture, and social media’s influence get a deep dive:
  • Ice (109:24): “If Drake puts out a good album—yes, Kendrick smoked his boots—I’m going to come in here and be like, ‘This is fire.’”
• Joe states he’s rooting for “great Drake music” but expresses skepticism he’ll reach his past peaks.
• Discussion on how internet opinion and “stan wars” distort the real-world impact and enjoyment of music.

6. Sports Hot Takes — Playoffs & The Draft

• The gang analyzes the latest NBA playoff games (including Knicks, Sixers, and the surprising rise of certain players).
• Quick, knowledgeable recap of the NFL draft’s first round, with emphasis on surprise picks, the value of “sexy” vs. “need” picks, and Cowboys/Eagles/Dolphins moves.
• Side banter about travel restrictions in relationships and who gets to visit Dallas or Atlanta solo.

7. Virality & Online Backlash

• Time spent unpacking the internet dragging of Emma Grede following her interview about women advancing in the workplace and remote work culture.
  • Key discussion on privilege, messaging, audience sensitivity, and miscommunication online.
  • Mark Lamont Hill (161:03): “When you talk about people selling drugs, we always ask, why is that person selling drugs?...The messenger matters.”
• The guys play the actual clip; dissect what she actually said versus social media reinterpretation.

8. Legal News & Cultural Conversation

• Lawsuit updates: Drake, Aiden Ross, and academics facing legal scrutiny over online gambling promotions and proper disclosures.
• Brian McKnight sues ex-wife, son, Mark Lamont Hill, and others for supposed defamation; Mark explains he’s not actually being sued, but details the drama and his past interviews with McKnight’s ex-family.
• Extended jokes about being named in lawsuits, Mark’s “Patreon smoke,” and whether journalists can ever be truly “objective.”

9. Pop Culture Sidebars

• Joke breakdown of infamous “oxtail vs. oxtails” debate—running gag with dictionary deep dives and Caribbean culinary pride (178:04).
• Drea is now a chef: the room celebrates her growth from viral “Drea Plate” ridicule to owning her narrative.
• Spectacular of Pretty Ricky spits honey in Mandy’s mouth during a live show; discussion about kink, consent, and boundaries without shaming.
• Russell Brand audio of self-acknowledged predatory behavior is played and universally condemned.

10. Notable Quick Hits

• The viral Mary J. Blige “Hillary Clinton” election commercial revisited (“Is it a gun, is it a knife, is it a wallet, this is your life…”—152:16).
• Mark highlights a medical school scholarship for Black male students with high GPAs and test scores (194:19).
• Joe closes by urging support for new films and “pros making music,” big-upping Kehlani, and referencing the culture’s need to focus less on stan beefs.

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Memorable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• Joe on flirt etiquette:
  • “My main fight was… I try to break the ‘no comment under IG pics’ rule but only for one person—my workout girl. According to her, that's the same person every time.” (20:45)
• Mark about the Kehlani album:
  • “This is the room full of pros.” (98:25)
• Ish on social media rules:
  • “Fire’s too much. Fire’s a lot. Fire’s too much.” (17:33)
• Joe on Michael biopic’s issues:
  • “This movie didn’t do nothing. Like, if you didn’t know much about Michael Jackson going in, you don’t know nothing now.” (45:50)
• Joe on stan culture and album rollouts:
  • “Don’t fuck up the good equity Drake’s built in his silence. Please. I’m telling you.” (103:31)
• Ish on Kehlani:
  • “She did that. Kon, you did it.” (98:07)
• Flip riffs on cheating:
  • “You can’t cheat if you don’t got your boxes checked.” (192:59)

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Important Segments and Timestamps

• Running the Play/Flirt Game: 00:31–10:30
• Instagram Rules & Relationships: 16:03–26:00
• Michael Jackson Biopic Review: 34:38–62:00
• Kehlani Album In-Depth: 83:00–98:18
• Drake Album Anticipation/Stans: 98:52–114:50
• NBA/NFL Sports Discussion: 71:46–82:14
• Emma Grede Backlash/Priviledge: 154:06–167:39
• Legal Updates (Drake, McKnight): 124:13–143:50
• Cultural TV/Doc Talk: 203:16–204:02
• Final Thoughts and Weekend Plans: 204:28–206:13

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Episode Vibe & Takeaways

This episode is vintage JBP—a rowdy amalgamation of cutting humor, honest critique, music nerd gospel, and cultural pulse-checks. If you want a feel of contemporary Black barbershop talk—where loyalty, legacy, love, and lyrics are equally up for hot debate—you’ll hear it here. Music—especially old school R&B—remains the heart of their worldview, and the group’s banter about social media rules, relationship transparency, and holding each other accountable is as much comedy as it is a mirror for listeners.

Closing Note:

• “Life is a series of moments and moments pass, so let’s make this one last as if it’s all we have.” (205:49, Joe Budden)

Essentially:

• Don’t comment fire emojis, unless you’re ready to be caught.
• Old school music (and Kehlani) will save your soul.
• If you’re in the spotlight, your playbook’s on public display—on and off IG.
• And, yes, oxtail can be pluralized—sometimes.

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For fans, this episode is a prime example of why JBP remains must-hear culture commentary, whether you want music takes, real talk, or just to laugh at grown men arguing about oxtails.

Transcript

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The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. You didn't use the coach, Joe.

[B]

Are you crazy?

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I'm telling you, you're nuts. Huh?

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You Pat Rally this.

[B]

No, this Pat. Nobody

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talk about what ish.

[B]

Yo, yo, you are crazy, son. Yo, this guy is. Yo, everything does not re. The moon, stars and sun don't revolve around you.

[D]

My. You feel me? We're filming. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Why do you think that. Why do you think that? The moon, sun and star. Why do you think I'm as yet. Because I'm saying you learned something from me.

[B]

I don't. You take credit for everything.

[D]

I did not learn that from you.

[B]

I didn't learn how to be charismatic and hospitable from you.

[A]

Please don't put words in my mouth. Cause you are charismatic on your own.

[B]

Yo, those are.

[A]

That is not what I'm talking about.

[B]

The traits that we are talking about.

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Audience. We talking about setting up the play. Cause I don't want to just talk without people. We talking about, hey, hey. If you know, you know. We talking about setting up the play. What I'm saying is, my friend, we ain't gonna stay on this. Cause I want to keep laughing at this nigga about something. I don't even know how we got here, dawg. How I get in this, I don't even remember.

[B]

So listen to this. This is what we talking about. So if. Cause the funny thing is, I don't holler. Right?

[D]

Right.

[B]

But I'll tell somebody else.

[A]

Yo, you should see. I ain't got time for the rigam and roll.

[B]

The.

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I want to just say.

[B]

I'll tell.

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Say what? The.

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Look, I'll tell somebody like, yo, dog, you could do this, this, this and this, man.

[A]

Something nice. Something nice is in that Neiman's. Let's get. Let's get to it. Something nice is in that.

[B]

Ne. And I told Joe he wouldn't like

[A]

the nice in one of the New Jersey malls, right?

[B]

And he says, but then it's going to look like I went there specifically.

[A]

And that's not what I said. I said, if you. Because I'm too in love. So what I said was, if you

[B]

go, stop playing tough, yo. Now we go.

[A]

You say exactly what I said exactly what I said. Because I'm a word Smith. I said, if you, not you, but in general, go to that Neiman's at that mall, it will be painfully obvious you are there to speak to a young lady.

[B]

That's not true. Not true.

[A]

I'm just saying what I said.

[B]

Oh, and I told you that is what you said. That is. And I said, that's not true because you know people.

[A]

And then my boy said, the play up for me.

[B]

Yeah. I said, yo, you know people there, so you.

[A]

Not for me, but to me, yo,

[B]

you know somebody there or a person knows somebody there, you come in to say hi to your person.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

It's like if a bad chick work at a restaurant and you know somebody else at the restaurant, your goal might be to go see the bad chick and let her see you. But I'm coming to see my nigga parks that just bartend.

[C]

Sure, sure, sure.

[B]

And I just so happen to be there on a Thursday night when shorty is working there. What a cocky day.

[A]

And then I'm saying, I was proud of my man for drawing that play so fast. Because when we used to hang out and it would be time to run a play, he would be dumbfounded, looking stupid in the face like, yo, I don't believe that. How are we gonna. How are we gonna bag that girl from her dude?

[C]

I don't believe that. Not from Ish.

[A]

Yo, man, Ish used to be out trying to miss this to your girl before all of that shit. It should be like, yo, how are we gonna do that? Her dude is right there the whole night.

[D]

Her dude.

[A]

Her man is right there all night long. And I used to set up the play. So to hear him set up plays. Now I'm like, my boy is the Eric Spoelster. This nigga is Kevin Booker. This nigga is.

[D]

I'm glad you know.

[C]

I'm not going to play you like that. Come on.

[D]

We don't know, though.

[B]

It's cool.

[D]

You wouldn't know.

[A]

He survived on that because nobody was there but me and him. And I got such a horrible reputation. That's got to stop happening.

[B]

Listen to this.

[A]

My horrible reputation.

[B]

I set up a play for Joe. If Joe is vocal and goes at the target, I don't have to set up a play for Joe.

[D]

True.

[B]

I don't. He don't need no. He can ISO.

[A]

I'm not talking about Ish. You keep trying to. He can.

[B]

I saw.

[A]

He keep trying to confuse the audience. We not talking about your. Anyone's ability to Speak to a girl.

[B]

No.

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That's not what's in question.

[B]

So what you talking about?

[A]

We talking about when the situation calls for a play to be ran. That's what we talking about.

[D]

It's not the same 2:23.

[A]

Anybody could talk to a girl how they say.

[B]

That's not true.

[A]

All right, cool. But we talking about running a play when it's. When it's a little more complicated.

[D]

He old school. He go to old school. The old bumping switch. He bump up. Excuse me.

[A]

Pardon me.

[D]

Like. We know your tricks, bro. We know your tricks. You old bumpy.

[A]

And we do know his tricks.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

We know his tricks. That's my man.

[D]

I go put him on.

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Blood.

[D]

It ain't queen shit. You see? You try to.

[B]

You said a bump and switch.

[D]

Bump and switch. You bump somebody and switch. I got you. You tried to pick and roll. Thank you. You tried to act like you are this quiet guy with so much confidence in the world. I don't talk to. That's your play. That. I don't talk to people. But I'm full of confidence. Is your play.

[A]

And hashtag.

[D]

We see right through it.

[A]

And hashtag the restaurant.

[D]

That's it.

[A]

And they gonna go.

[B]

Look.

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He gonna go read the hashtag of the restaurant.

[C]

Huh?

[D]

It makes a lot of sense.

[B]

It don't.

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We got you.

[D]

It does.

[B]

It does.

[D]

Is it possible he's just really quiet? I mean. And don't.

[B]

Don't.

[D]

Don't like to holler. Then if you tell him he don't get no how he act. Yo. You don't get no girls. Cause you quiet, nigga. You scared of girls. You soft. He gets stupid. Defense. Nigga.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yo.

[D]

How smashing. He went after me. He did that.

[B]

Out of order.

[D]

Hey, pull it up.

[B]

Listen to this. Yo. You're equating somebody being quiet to somebody not scared of girls. They don't correlate, asshole.

[D]

That's my goal.

[B]

That was my goal.

[D]

You call me.

[B]

It's my go. It's my goal. See, me not being. Me being bashful or shy don't correlate to me. Not getting no.

[D]

How do you get them? Because they talk to you, right?

[B]

Whatever the game.

[D]

The game is to stay quiet with confidence. You have to come to you and talk to them.

[B]

That's not game. Because a lot of women don't like that. That backfires more than you think. It works. A lot of girls don't like shy niggas. Nigga, you 30 something years old and you still shy. Sit your dumb Ass down. You what you.

[D]

I'm telling you.

[B]

So how you.

[D]

How you. What you pump?

[A]

We getting great. I'm saying, yo, how did you learn to bad girls when they with their

[B]

man don't do that.

[D]

Oh, he. He passed the number on the page. He write it on the paper. We done there was that one time, though, right? Didn't they. I tell the story about this couple

[B]

months ago, I didn't bag that girl. I knew the girl before the came to the house.

[D]

Oh, I wasn't talking about that story. I was talking about the restaurant. I might be talking.

[B]

And this is the reason I got mad at that, because I didn't bag that girl. I didn't say more than five words to that girl. But how it presented to them made it seem like I was shooting at this nigga's girlfriend. And that's why I got mad.

[D]

I'm chilling.

[A]

Don't get serious. If I did something wrong in that situation, I apologize. I'm. We here for a good time. My bad, yo, I'm sorry if I painted this like he was trying to bag that girl. He was trying to bag

[C]

because I

[A]

should have held it down.

[D]

I should have kept the pee.

[A]

So he's right. So I apologize for that.

[B]

I didn't say nothing to that girl.

[D]

I can see what you're saying.

[B]

We do picture it a certain way.

[A]

All we saying, all I. Well, listen, all I'm saying is Joe Button Podcast male fans out there. If you with your girl and you

[D]

see her, pull her to the side

[A]

and he's a fan of the show, be safe. Do not run up to him and say, oh, man, hey, my girl is here and she's a huge fan of the show. She wants a picture with you. Yo, boy suicide. It's a suicide boy.

[C]

Don't do that.

[B]

Serving her right up.

[D]

Yeah, don't do that.

[A]

Don't. It'll be a different meet and greet in Brooklyn.

[B]

Chop House Joe Button Podcast fans, if y' all out and about and your girl is over 175 and thick in the thighs, don't go to the bathroom.

[D]

When you come back.

[B]

Yo, when you come back to your table, it just might be these magical drinks and a steak on your table.

[A]

Oh,

[B]

Pre ordered the steak already be ready. Little gold drippings on your steak. Can't even afford a tomahawk.

[A]

Ain't even.

[D]

Don't know no Indians. You just got the steak. Indian people. It's cool. Native Americans.

[B]

This is that Dom P. Stuff that they talk about.

[D]

Hey, yo, listen to watch Ish. Watch that new Desi bank skit with like. That's how is you. I'm saying if your girl get around them, she may get a little bit. If things may get a little craziest.

[B]

Part has never seen me outside.

[D]

Who you?

[B]

You ain't no owl. You too fat to sit on the perch.

[D]

Lost weight. I lost weight. I lost weight. You never looking good.

[A]

You're looking good.

[D]

Let me ask you a question.

[B]

You've never seen me out there much.

[D]

Thank you, Mark. Thank you, everybody. For sure. But my thing with you is that. Listen, stop acting like you got it like that.

[A]

We know that I don't have it like that.

[D]

And then when you go home, wifey checking you. That's what it is. That's what all this cleanup is. Hey, yo, Janitor, come, nigga.

[A]

We know, nigga.

[D]

Give him the broom. Corey, give him the mop. What you doing so close? Stop acting like you got it like that. From now on, don't talk that big dick shit. Niggas, we the niggas. You soft. You scared of your dick up every two episodes. No, no, no, no. But the funny part.

[B]

This nigga just copped a plea about your dog.

[D]

Yo, yo, Y. All this out. What you talking about?

[B]

Oh,

[D]

five minutes ago, you sat here

[B]

and said, yo, dog, somebody subscribes to Patreon now.

[D]

Y' all got to chill out.

[A]

What you talking about,

[D]

my girl? Don't be on me over this show. My. I run my house. Is you talking about what run your house? I run my house. I don't mind if I in my house. I run my house. All right, Come on. How many jobs you got in Maryland? One that don't work anymore.

[B]

I have one.

[D]

You talking about the house is fixed already. You had a spend a night there for months. It's fixed.

[B]

It's not, though.

[D]

What you going back out there, dude.

[A]

The hell should be done.

[D]

It's done.

[B]

Y.

[D]

It's done.

[B]

Two that don't know nothing about house should be done.

[D]

Okay, good.

[B]

Oh, how much content you shooting? Oh, you in a new business.

[D]

Other content. Oh, I mean, you don't want to play this game with me, boy.

[C]

Bro has the strap on him today.

[A]

Why you wilding today?

[D]

I'm not fighting back. He is fighting back. He is fighting back. All these is, yo, bro, he has a water gun. He don't run his house.

[C]

They gotta start bowling in a minute.

[B]

Flip. I. I bet you won't say, I run my house. I run my house unequivocally.

[D]

N. I run my household, nigga.

[B]

But you sat here and started.

[A]

You got it.

[B]

You got it.

[D]

Dead.

[B]

If Paul released that footage, you'll be up under the bed.

[C]

This.

[D]

You gotta check in during the lunch break, during the chicken nuggets break, during the bathroom break. I don't check in. She know what it is. Unequivocally. I speak. I speak sitting here speak. I don't know what the he's doing on you. I get you, too. I don't want no smoke.

[A]

Huh?

[D]

I mind my own business. Cause you what?

[A]

But before you shoot, he really was shooting at ish.

[B]

Yeah, he was.

[D]

All right.

[B]

Yeah, he was.

[A]

Put a B in on the corner.

[B]

I put the B in the word.

[A]

He was just talking. Yeah. So. But I know you want to shoot at Mark.

[D]

He's with you anyway.

[A]

I know you want to shoot at Mark.

[B]

I want to shoot at you. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[A]

But I know you want to shoot at Mark.

[B]

No, let me tell you what he does. Yo, the nigga will be just silently researching some shit.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

And he'll get something that he think is just a home run, and he'll put it in his pocket. And if you come in and be like, hey, Flip, what's up? If. Yo, what's up? A little too strong. Yo, nigga, I'm ready.

[A]

What's up?

[D]

I got this in my pocket.

[B]

I'll air you out. Like, yo, you just be looking.

[D]

That's cool.

[B]

You be waiting.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I think it's important, though, in closing for me. Cause we have to start the show. I think it's important. And I do respect the fact that you are the man in your household. I just know that sometimes how we get back on. Let me just finish. I just know sometimes you come in with different tones and tunes. In one minute you singing at alto, the next day you surprise. Like, it'd be different.

[B]

Like, they not that far apart.

[D]

Whatever same. Which one is fall? Which one is the fall one?

[A]

Tenor.

[C]

At least ten.

[B]

From alto to tenor. My. You alto to soprano.

[D]

You sing different tunes, boy.

[C]

All right, Andy hit you with some music knowledge. Take that. The music podcast. Are you hyping your man musicality?

[A]

You watch that Park Show?

[C]

That's what I'm in.

[B]

You watch you at Park Show?

[C]

What's up?

[D]

I got nothing to say. I could, though, just say white privilege. You saw he got when that was. Yo, y' all should. Y' all should have held my man down on that. Cause that was bullshit.

[C]

They did.

[D]

I wanted more, okay? I wanted more.

[A]

They killing us for holding them down.

[D]

They stupid. Are they Look. Yes.

[A]

They on the Internet talking about something. Joe Co signing the White Devil.

[D]

You're lying.

[A]

I promise you. Yeah, that's a good joke. Really kicking my ass. I don't care. Pause. My head. The niggas. Oh, man.

[D]

That was. Yeah.

[A]

What you want? Freeze. What's up? I just got this guy. Look at my man. Just make sure he good.

[B]

All right?

[D]

Freeze.

[B]

Stupid.

[A]

Look at my man involved in this for you?

[D]

Chilling. You know. You know when he got his jewelry on? He on. Look, my son came fully loaded.

[A]

She gonna watch.

[D]

She gonna watch little. You got the whole on board.

[A]

Exactly, exactly.

[D]

You took it off.

[A]

You had that on.

[B]

I didn't have it on. I got a date tonight.

[A]

A date? A FaceTime date with my. The love of my life.

[D]

Oh, you play a different. Okay. You play a different.

[B]

Playing like y' all play. I'm playing like y'.

[D]

All. That's fair. He slapped me.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

About your wife being on Patreon. That don't look like it's. Listen, my wife could be on Patreon, right? That's what's up. Salute. Mark. Mark, Mark. You use this podcast? Exactly. Come on in. What? I do research, too. We know more. Be on any guest that came with me. Look, see?

[A]

They dying to shoot at each other.

[D]

We know. We know. Marking him down. I don't. We know.

[A]

Go on Reddit.

[D]

Oh, that's true. Oh, on me. Yo, my nigga, you shouldn't talk.

[A]

I'm not talking. I don't. I love all y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

I'm out the way.

[D]

Mark Lamont Hill. Why you bringing me into this? You involved yourself. I'mma let you know this right now. It's a fair one. I love you, bro. Love you, too.

[A]

Just please chill.

[D]

I see your tricks. I see the people that you just call colleagues or collects or whatever the fuck you call them colleagues. Like, whatever it is. We know your tricks, bro. Professor. Hello, Professor. Hey, we see you, boy. That professor shit can't work anymore. You're not teaching anybody up here. I beg the difference. You're not teaching us, actually. You're making fun of us. No, never.

[B]

Yo, you got your music queued up.

[A]

I can't do nothing. Cause my girl know me to. Well now, like, I can't. I'll be still trying to get off. Like, I. I went out last night, Thursday.

[B]

Oh, you got the bracelet on from last night.

[A]

And I went out last Thursday.

[D]

You told.

[A]

No, I don't nor go out before work night.

[D]

He said every time you go out before work day.

[B]

No, but you go To Jersey. Jersey in early. Jersey in early.

[A]

Yeah, but just going out on a Thursday, she's like, what's up with you, man? What's up? See something new out there? No, no, it's nothing new. They just changed the works. The work schedule of the lineups is all. That don't work at all.

[C]

Nah, it didn't sound good.

[B]

That didn't sound strong.

[A]

So we got this rule. No comments under Instagram pages. You could. You could like.

[C]

Sure, that's a good rule.

[A]

No comments under Instagram pages.

[C]

You shouldn't.

[A]

But I try to break it sometimes and hope that she don't see it.

[D]

What's. What kind of comments do you leave? Is it like fire is like a money bag.

[B]

Your dumb ass eyes. You didn't put that.

[D]

No, you can't put you a fire.

[A]

Did you spend my girl seven years.

[B]

You didn't put a fire.

[D]

You didn't put fire, did you?

[A]

You know, we've had a fire discussion.

[D]

Fire's too much.

[B]

Fires a lot. Fires too much.

[C]

As is like finding something obscure on the photo to comment on.

[A]

All right, let's. Let's unpack that.

[B]

You could put fire under some food. You could put fire under some music. For me, an achievement I wouldn't look at achievement in no type of way. PhD. Yeah, you can put fire.

[D]

Fire. But if it's her in a bikini, you can't put fire.

[B]

I can't put fire.

[A]

What if the picture is just fire?

[D]

No, that's why you can't put it. Yeah, that's exactly.

[B]

Let it bur your brain.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

But wait a second. But you're not actually cuz our conversation was she like. She done been in my. She got.

[D]

It's.

[C]

Anyway, this is where it gets tricky. I'm sorry to interrupt you now. It's never just a post. There's six slides. You might put fire under the third slide, but then there's a bikini under the fifth slide and now you're toast.

[A]

Well, no, here's the thing.

[B]

I jammed up like.

[A]

And this is what our fight. This is what our discussion was about. I'm not in under comments or in dms putting fire like manually. If the story is up there and it's sliding and I see something dope.

[C]

I don't think that's.

[A]

Then I hit the fire thing. If it's dope. And that's it.

[D]

That's better.

[B]

But still depends on what's in the story. And it's not better like the parts

[D]

is great because the world don't see that you did it. So it's less embarrassing.

[A]

No, listen.

[B]

It could have started off somebody posting the mountains in the water. And it's a nice range.

[D]

Fire. Shit.

[B]

And when you sliding across now it's shorty with the head back, ass out pose. And you put the fire under the scenic thing.

[A]

Is that fire the pole?

[B]

Yes, that pose is fire. All of it.

[A]

That's the first thing I say. What was it?

[C]

Fire.

[A]

Let's start there. But anyway, because you don't know.

[C]

Does that work?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

You get that off?

[A]

Well, no, it's not getting that off. It's just we could talk like that. Was it fire? And it's just a no. This been photoshopping. She catfishing you and you stupid. All of the towels are bent.

[B]

That's another conversation. Even if you photoshopping and catfishing is it.

[D]

Is the.

[B]

Is the end result still fire?

[A]

And that's what I said. She says, you're embarrassing. You are embarrassing. You can't tell that this girl is not this girl. And she's face tuning and photoshopping. So when you think we can.

[B]

We don't care.

[A]

No, they think we. We should care because of how it makes them look.

[B]

So let's say they all natural. Let's say the girl's all natural.

[A]

And she. If your girl or your husband. I mean if your girl or your wife or whatever was just lusting after some Flavor Flav and I don't think Flavor Flav is an unattractive dude when he. When he's so. But lusting after somebody that you just thought was a da dun da dun, you would. Whoa, wait.

[D]

That ain't the same, though. If she lusted up a dude, I'm like, but that hairline is fake. And that's an implant, dog.

[B]

My girl lusting after the finest n. I'm gonna still feel the same way. Ain't like I'm gonna give her a pass. Cause she lusting over the fly.

[A]

Well, lusting. We being dramatic. I'm talking about just a fire emoji on this. On this.

[C]

Publicly. Publicly.

[D]

But anyway, I'm veering off.

[A]

I'm veering off of what my main fight was.

[D]

That's a problem.

[A]

My main fight was. So I break the little no comment rule sometime with one person maybe, but

[C]

is it the same person every time?

[A]

According to her, it's the same.

[D]

According to her, I'm sure they got.

[A]

It's like a workout girl.

[D]

Like, I support you think that's better.

[B]

Not making it better. That's not better.

[D]

Nothing you saying is Better not making it better.

[B]

You say pull up and push up.

[A]

Right?

[D]

Let them talk.

[A]

But anyway, so they. So they be playing like fly music in the pigs. Yeah. All right.

[C]

Surely you have some music.

[A]

So I. So in one.

[D]

What you know about that? This mix is fire.

[B]

What you know about that?

[D]

Blood before Pump it up.

[B]

Hey, yo, dog, you was coming.

[A]

You are the.

[B]

That'll be like, girl, what you know about that? 100%, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

You ain't up on that.

[D]

Old school what you said. I think that's what that rule.

[A]

So months ago, maybe I said something like, Obviously some dumbass. You know, it's some dumb. No, it was a comment I left. It went on about my day and never thought twice. About ages ago. You tell us the comment ages ago.

[C]

They say that forever is the problem.

[A]

The comment was something like. Like, what did I say? Ooh, old school music is always a vibe.

[D]

Fucking duck.

[C]

That's some uncle game.

[D]

You don't know nothing about that. Me setting up the play.

[A]

Some bullshit. I can promise you I wasn't running to play. I really just like the song. The song choice. It was good to hear. Last week, I'm hanging up the phone with my girl. She said, oh, and one last thing before we get. You better stop leaving them fucking comments that you think I'm not seeing because you trying to get your flirt on. And I know you so your little ooh, Old school musical line that you're trying to run, you could get that the out of. And if I see it again, and if I see it one more time, that's your ass. I said, you saw that? She said, yes, you moron. You look dumb as hell. And you thirsty.

[C]

Yeah, she got you, Joe.

[A]

So then I stood on that. That's not what day is flirting, Blue mask. I know you like the back of my hand, boy. I seen all that. She was getting off in that phone.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's your flirt.

[C]

You said the same to her probably 10 years ago.

[D]

But you know, I want a fool or the music.

[A]

I just be laughing at how my girl got me dead to right.

[C]

You're an idiot, bro.

[A]

Old school music. Always a vibe.

[D]

Always a vibe.

[A]

You are trying to that girl.

[B]

All she had to do is hit you back.

[A]

No. And I wasn't. And I wasn't. Because then I turned into ish on her, too. Because then I turned into ish on her because she was playing like, yeah,

[B]

please tell me what the turning into ish entails.

[D]

This is the thing.

[A]

In a minute, there ain't gonna Be no intro music. This is the thing.

[D]

I'm sure you got some.

[A]

If your girl has seen you being. If your girl has seen you being what they would deem not guy brain. What they would deem as thirsty or, you know, inappropriate once or twice or maybe seen one joint of yours that don't fit with the rest of the roster, they start talking to you. Like, that's just your character. Like, you thirsty. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

No.

[A]

Yeah, you a thirsty ass nigga. Look at you.

[C]

Look at you.

[A]

In fairness, if you talk to a

[C]

girl doing some dumbass shit like that, you would be on her ass too. Cause I would like that.

[A]

So when I say I turn into it, she's like, yeah, I read the DM. You DM. DM. Well, if you read the DMs, you've seen the dub, then stop playing. You call me thirsty again, Stop playing. You have no idea how many. Yeah, yeah, I had to pop it on. Yeah, I popped it.

[C]

How'd it go?

[D]

You won that round for sure.

[B]

This ice beer.

[A]

I was only fighting the thirsty accusation. She had me dead right. Ask your question.

[D]

What.

[B]

How does that. How did you get ish on her?

[A]

That's what I would do when somebody questions your. Yeah, yeah, you're. You did with Dr. Cheyenne. You. You say very fast. Yo, do y' all know who I am? You know the I do.

[D]

You know that you do that a lot?

[A]

Like, a lot.

[B]

I did that with Cheyenne.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes, you forgot it, bro.

[D]

Get your memory together.

[A]

Yes, you did that big ho.

[C]

That was a long ass episode, in fairness.

[A]

Yeah, it was a lot.

[B]

You talked to though.

[D]

Your memory follow.

[B]

Yo, let me let y' all know who I am.

[A]

Yeah, you did it.

[B]

Remember that. I do this. I do this.

[D]

You did it. When I sat down, he'd really just

[A]

be talking to Amani. It'd be really letting me. Hey, dog, if you just chill out, I'm gonna throw it back in the water. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

That's it.

[A]

If you just. If you just be cool, all right?

[D]

Surely I know you.

[A]

I'm letting you eat. I'm letting you eat right? Why don't.

[D]

They don't understand sometimes.

[B]

We ain't doing that to my. Nah, that's not what's going.

[D]

Because, you know, eat my heat. We let him eat sometimes. So you know what I'm saying? So he ain't doing that.

[B]

I'm not trying to eat.

[D]

Eat. Yes, you do. His plate is full. Yes, you do. You try to eat a lot.

[B]

It's not.

[D]

You go right behind a Too. No.

[A]

All right, I'm playing. I'm playing some old school. Old school.

[D]

The lady in a Tramp. I'll you up today, yo. I was quiet thinking I had.

[A]

Oh, my God. You boy.

[B]

You lucky.

[D]

Get it, get it.

[C]

You lucky.

[A]

Oh, faithful black men in parks.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, this is such a vibe. You don't know nothing about this. You won't get in trouble for playing this.

[B]

And it just fits in that.

[A]

Hey, baby. Hey, baby. You had me dead to write. You got. You had me.

[D]

You got me.

[C]

Shorty go put this right in her workout playlist.

[A]

When you write, you write. It really was good music, though. Oh, sure, whatever. Mic check, mic check. One, two, one, two.

[D]

So happy to be here. So glad you could join us.

[A]

Hey, folk, could you pass me this water right here, please? Thank you very much. Hey, there we go. There we go. Whole New Jersey, New York City. What up out there?

[D]

Shout out to the subgroups, the patronies out there. Hey,

[A]

It's always a vibe, man. Come on, man. Was I wrong, but was I wrong?

[D]

What happened, Marky? Mark, are you a troll of me? I left the comments and I try to support you.

[A]

You man. Oh, cause you was looking for a team accountability member, whatever the you called it. Flip is looking for new people to add to Flip the network.

[D]

Send your resume, couple head shots,

[A]

Little gym pic.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

I mean, Mark got a brand new episode in. It's staying together out there on his patreon. Sign up to that.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Ish came out with some new colorways for the hoodie. You know, the fucking vibe. Stop playing. Hit him or s. We gonna get these things right to your doorstep, nigga. Hey, wait a minute. Freeze. Got every exclusive marathon color that's never been sold. Uh huh.

[D]

Freeze.

[B]

Freeze.

[D]

Freeze. Free.

[A]

Big park bar got white privilege. That's all you need. No park stolen. No, I have it. I'm aware. Oh, man. All right, come on, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. Oh, man, Me at these drops right quick.

[D]

It's the network.

[A]

What episode is this?

[C]

923.

[A]

Welcome to episode 923 of the JOE Button podcast. I'm your humble, healthy, happy, grateful, extremely, extremely delighted to be here. Host Joe Button here with a few really amazing people to my right.

[D]

Queens.

[A]

Get the money, queens. Flip is in the building to his right. Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the building to his right. Mr. Thousand Doors and Up. Our good brother Ish is here to his right. Love the colorway on the kids kicks in. The hoodie used to absolutely smoke that Freeze. Good. Good brother. Freeze is in the building next to him.

[D]

Huh?

[A]

Big Parks is in the building next to him. You think we was done with white privilege? Po is here. The photographer got some white privilege. Po is here. Corey is here. Stop playing with Corey. Erickson is here. Tanner Savona here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people out there are here. Shout out to the hate listeners. This episode is brought to you by Fueled by Power by prize picks. Prize picks, gang.

[D]

Okay, what we do do that. When it take you a while to get to that, I be trying to read through it like, yo, they it up. Hey, my son up for real. Will you do that? Do what? The pride fix, cuz Parks be holding you down. That's why I love you. I can see why the white privilege come in like this. Look, buddy, buddy, you just take a while. You be seeing it too.

[B]

But why scare you, though?

[A]

It scared me because this he you on today.

[D]

If anybody proclamations that now, he probably watch more than me. So it scared me because I don't know if we, you know, we losing some bread. I don't know what it is. You guys are my. I want my to stay the same.

[A]

We are. We don't magic. Oh, yes. Is. Come on. Come on, you know. You know I'm out of here anyway. Get over. No, no.

[D]

I'm out of here.

[A]

I'm out of here. I don't want you to leave them. But your shit stay the same. You know that. Come on. You know that we don't do contracts on here. But if there's anybody to know, you know.

[D]

No.

[A]

You know already. No. You done had 11 months a living hiring accountability Member your I. When your day come. We just come over. Just come talk to me. What was we talking about? Nothing. Us in. We're in good standards with pricks just so you shout the prize. We are all the way.

[C]

They been whooping my ass lately. But shout out to them, whoop your ass.

[D]

Yeah, I've been doing.

[A]

They saw that lick you hit.

[C]

I know. Yeah. They just said no.

[D]

I might be a little hooked. I didn't hit about five times now.

[A]

Have you?

[D]

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

[A]

Take that, anonymous X user. All right, good. No. Prize piece is great. How y' all doing, man? What's up?

[D]

What's poppin?

[A]

Y' all look good. Y' all look refreshed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I apologize to you brothers for just how out of it I was the other day.

[C]

You're a mess.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[D]

Remember that voice.

[A]

I'm not in it this month, Mark. You ain't got to worry about me. I'm chilling.

[B]

They say, remember bonus.

[A]

No, he said, remember that, voters. Oh, I thought he said, remember that, voter?

[D]

I'm not in it this month.

[A]

Yeah, bonus.

[B]

That's what I thought he said.

[D]

No, y'.

[A]

All. How many bonuses y' all supposed to get a year? This is a summer bonus.

[C]

I mean, now that you mention it.

[A]

Oh, my God. How y' all know up?

[D]

Doing good, man. Weekend coming, man. You know, we excited. Everybody excited, man. Yeah, it's nice outside today. It's beautiful outside. We're excited, man. Happy to be. Happy to be here at work.

[A]

Well, let's work. Where you want to start?

[D]

Well, you say rested. I didn't get as much rest as I wanted because I went to see Michael Jackson last night.

[C]

So did I. Yeah, same I saw,

[D]

at your behest, y' all went together.

[A]

That was not in my behest.

[D]

Oh, it was. You behested.

[C]

Different theater.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Different things.

[D]

Otherwise it'd be.

[C]

Yeah, it'd be okay.

[B]

Yeah, a lot.

[D]

I made sure.

[C]

Especially the mic. Yeah,

[D]

well, so what happened was Joe went on a group chat. First of all, remember the last episode where Joe Budden said, I'm not going to see that shit. I have no interest in seeing that shit.

[B]

I'll see it on dvd.

[D]

I took that to mean, naively that that meant he wasn't going to see it. Crazy me. Turns out he goes to see it before all of us.

[C]

Yeah, no, first one.

[B]

I saw it first.

[A]

No, I saw it. Imani Soy.

[D]

Okay, well, Imani don't count. He's a super fan and he, like. I expect he loves Michael Jackson.

[C]

Be in it.

[D]

Yeah, he might be. Well, that was the part they ended. Oh, shit. So. So I saw Joe in the group chat, like, yo, I seen the movie. And you had your thoughts on it. And I was like, why? And then I heard you say you saw it and you said you were going to see it.

[C]

Yeah, I said, fuck it. I'll go see it now.

[D]

So I was like, we gonna talk about it. I wanna be on.

[A]

I sent a group chat and encouraged my brothers to go see this movie. Right?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Antoine Fuqua, great black director. Black, excellent. I encouraged my entire group chat to go see this film.

[D]

That's a fact. Okay, so when do we get our money back?

[B]

Well, let me start. Let me start. Let me start. Cause I have a different take.

[C]

You saw it first?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not just that I didn't hate this movie the way everybody else did. I heard it was fine. I absolutely enjoyed the movie. Now I want to start. I'm not the super Michael Jackson fan. I didn't watch every doc and all of this shit. So there's stuff that I learned in this movie that I didn't know. I don't watch documentaries. I don't do all of that shit. This is from the common fan who just saw the movie. No, no. What did I learn? I did not know that. I didn't know nothing about Don King being involved in none of that shit. I didn't know that the final tour that he did with his brothers, he basically just did that as a gift to them. Like, yo, I'm not fucking with y' all no more. Here, take that. I didn't know that, though.

[A]

I didn't know much about Michael Jackson.

[B]

I knew the music, bro. That's what I'm saying. And I saw the Jackson.

[A]

What part of the island your family is from again?

[B]

I watched the Jackson American Dream, man. But which I saw that Jamaica.

[A]

He's Jamaican.

[D]

Yeah, he's half Jamaican.

[B]

Yes, yes, I'm half Jamaican.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

But, yeah, I. I'm not. I'm not. Story doc.

[A]

Go ahead.

[D]

I'm not.

[A]

I'm not saying nothing.

[B]

No, I don't care. I'm just telling you from my perspective.

[A]

Religious thing. Every time I ask that question that I'm on, I do. You are.

[D]

The question I ask you on.

[A]

What do y' all think I'm saying?

[B]

What's that got to do with anything? Got to do with Michael Jackson accent, everything.

[D]

That's why we think you.

[B]

And that's why we think you on.

[A]

But it's not a statement. The from the Islands just be in their own vibe and they own

[B]

the island.

[A]

I'm not from the Islands.

[D]

North Newark, right?

[A]

You trying to set me up. Oh, you wanted to play. I'm not shooting that.

[B]

Ice is.

[A]

No matter what you say. Go ahead, free you.

[B]

But no, that. That was. That was my take. It was just like, I enjoyed this.

[A]

You thought he wanted to go on tour with his brothers?

[D]

No, I'm just saying,

[A]

yo, knowing all. You know, just about music right after Thriller.

[D]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

What I'm saying is that I didn't realize that pop, like the theme of this story, this movie. I knew before I even went to go see it that it only covered a certain part of Mike's life. It wasn't the full. I saw a lot of people mad at that like, it ended too early. I knew it would only went up to a certain point.

[D]

Were you surprised to know this dad was rough on him? No, I never went through that. Turns out he's a bit of an. Alone.

[B]

No, you don't.

[C]

Freeze.

[D]

One, freeze.

[A]

It's cool, bruh.

[B]

I'm not.

[D]

He was really intense. Joe Jackson. Oh. He started the orientation. He got the switch.

[A]

You know, those were real gang members and.

[D]

Beat it. Oh, shit. Stop, stop. All right, I will say this. Ice. Now, let's. I agree with you. I went in and part of it was because of Joe.

[A]

If y' all like it, hurry up with the commentary.

[B]

That's why I try to get my

[D]

shit out the way.

[A]

Get out my way.

[D]

I want to get my shit out of the way.

[A]

I've been working on this all.

[C]

I'm in the middle, so I'll transition. Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[D]

You transition?

[C]

Okay. You in the middle?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I told you.

[D]

This year I came in. I didn't read the reviews, but I knew of them and I knew to write like, right into middle rankings and all of that stuff. And so I was like, this is going to be. This is going to be terrible. But I didn't know exactly why it would be terrible. So I went in and I didn't read the reviews because I didn't want to have too much influence. I went in with a certain expectation, and I was actually surprised. I kept waiting for the shoe to drop for it to be awful. And there were some scenes that I

[C]

thought there were some.

[D]

There were some scenes, right? Gang members, monkeys. There was a few things where I was like, this is too much. But I went in, in general, expecting it with a low expectation. I walked out like, yo, I'm enjoying this.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[D]

Oh, wait, this is good. Oh, wait, I'm enjoying this music. Oh, I like this story. Cause I didn't go in here. Let me tell you what I'm about to finish, nigga. Let me tell you why. Thank you. Flip. I'm gonna ask.

[B]

You don't need to tell me why

[A]

you enjoy Michael Jackson music.

[D]

No, no, no.

[B]

That's why he liked the story. This is the joy story of the movie.

[D]

I didn't. I'm a. I went in knowing a decent amount about Michael Jackson. So I didn't come in expecting to learn anything. I felt inspired by the story of, like, independence and him growing to be. To do his own thing. He's shaking off his dad, all that shit.

[B]

That was the thing. That's what I was trying to say. That was. You could Tell the thing.

[A]

The movie was shaking off his dad.

[D]

If it was that, I'm the last thing I'll say. If this was on Netflix or if this was maybe even on a network, we'd be praising it. Right. I think because it's a cinematic release, that the expectation was higher, but just as an entertaining movie. I thought the kid did a good job playing Michael Jackson, which I didn't expect. I thought the costumes would make a kid.

[A]

As in who? Jafar.

[D]

Jafar. I thought Jafar did a good job. I thought the costumes and makeup was solid. There were some mistakes, like, you know, the wrong hairstyle for the wrong year. Little. Little nerd mistakes. But. But I thought the. Was. Honestly, I expected to be giving. I thought I was gonna come here giving it a C minus, and I would give it a B. Oh, really?

[C]

I would stick with the C. For me, personally, I thought it was. It was entertaining. It was entertaining, but it was. It was, I guess, kind of cheesy, maybe. Yes, it was a little cheesy. It felt like it could have easily have lived on Hulu or Netflix.

[D]

That's what I'm saying.

[C]

But with a nicer budget because it looked expensive. Yeah, but Tubi.

[D]

Nah, I'm not gonna go.

[A]

Or Red Stick.

[B]

That's.

[A]

It could have been on Magic.

[C]

I thought it was, like. I didn't like the way that they obsessed on all this very strange shit about Michael, which I get. You have to address it, I guess, on some level, like the surgeries and the vitiligo and all that shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But they dwelled on it in a weird way to me, where they didn't really talk about his artistry enough for me, I think.

[D]

Right.

[C]

It was like sensationalized artistry, which I. He's a pop star, so that part should be kind of like, left unsettled.

[A]

Said.

[C]

But he was more than that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And they didn't really tap into that for me.

[D]

That's true.

[A]

And that's part of why. That's part of why this movie was absolute trash for me.

[D]

But.

[A]

But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

[C]

There was some funny.

[A]

Like I told y', all, I was the only person in that theater howling, laughing. From the. From the onset, I was laughing.

[C]

Not from the onset. Once the monkey came in the movie

[B]

and he came off the truck, I was like, all right. Well, because.

[A]

Well, because. Movie starts. This is Michael. First of all. This is Michael Jackson. This is him.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The movie starts with a really bad vocal of a Michael Jackson song. It was almost like, hurt my ears. Whoever that was singing that just on the opening.

[C]

Yeah, got me.

[A]

I'm already laughing. This is. All right.

[C]

You talking about when they're in the living room practicing before they.

[A]

Before the movie even starts?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's what that was. That's them singing in the living room. So that was.

[D]

Yeah, that was a mess.

[A]

So then it open up.

[C]

I assume that was intentional to show like, oh, he became.

[B]

Yeah, so.

[D]

Which is hard when you say he has perfect pitching. He's a natural talent. I can't imagine Michael ever sounded that bad.

[A]

He.

[C]

I'm sure he did. Everyone does at some point. But. Yes, carry on. Sorry.

[A]

So they open up with them singing in the living room and Jafar did a great job, even though. Well, he did a great job and he looks a little like Michael because he's Jermaine's son.

[B]

He's really.

[A]

And that made me look at Jermaine and Jafar weird because, nigga, I feel like Jermaine wanted to be Michael. So now here go your son trying to be Michael. And you executive produced all this shit. And you executive produced the other one that we love, the one that came out in 92.

[B]

The American dream.

[A]

The American Dream. He was on there. Like, why Jermaine always on the back end.

[B]

They all listen to it at. They were all listed as eps on this one.

[A]

They all. They all didn't dress like Jermaine dressed at the premiere. But anyway, Young, young Michael Jackson.

[B]

So stupid.

[A]

Six year old Michael Jackson. Was he six, seven, five somewhere? Who casted that little. Who the casted him? He looked like that nigga looked like my older brother when we was young. He looked like young Peter Guns. He looked like. He looked. Didn't look nothing like young Michael Jackson to me. Number one. He didn't move like him. He didn't sound like him. He didn't act like him. He was atrocious through the first 45 minutes of this movie.

[C]

In fairness, I thought even Jafar didn't necessarily move like Mike, but nobody moves like Mike, so it's a little hard.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. This nigga didn't move like a mic impersonator in Times Square. That little yo. Young six year old Mike. He was atrocious. Sorry, I know he's a kid. He was bad. Hey, do you. Hey, whoever casted this, do you know why Jason Weaver played young Michael Jackson before? Come on. Jason Weaver could really sing. Could really move. Michael Jackson was a phenom ish child prodigy.

[C]

Suit you did there, that was a good one.

[A]

Michael Jackson was so. For this little kid, he was an absolute show.

[D]

I disagree that.

[A]

That little. You was gonna disagree, but you already gave your opinion. I got my opinion. That little stunk.

[D]

Wait, as an actor or just the

[A]

performance parts as whatever they asked him to do?

[D]

I'm saying because I thought his acting wasn't bad. That's what I'm saying. Like, he was. He was. I agree with you on the music part, but there was a lot of tender shit there. Like when he was hugging Barry Gordy, when he was, like. All the sadness of him wanting his dad and having that weird.

[A]

Oh, that was one of my favorite parts to laugh at.

[B]

I kind of understand.

[A]

That was one of my favorite parts to laugh at.

[D]

Fucking monsters, yo.

[A]

This movie didn't do nothing. Like, if you were ice or somebody that didn't know much about Michael Jackson going to this movie, you don't know nothing about Michael Jackson. Still. Michael Jackson is creme de la creme. And this movie didn't present him that way. It didn't tell a story. It didn't say just how in. It didn't tell you that people was fainting all around the world. Them little crowds that they put on whatever Hulu set that they was in, that they built. It wasn't never gonna look like what Michael Jackson was out here doing. Their storytelling. They didn't tell any story.

[C]

The storytelling.

[A]

They did tell a story, though. There wasn't. Let me just talk. Please, let me just talk, please. The stories, they had moments in Mike's life that they wanted to highlight. So it went from 68. You young, the Jackson 5. We working and we doing talent shows. The very next time it jumps to 78 or some shit you want to be starting. Something is out. No, no, no, no. And then they jump from that to the nose job. They just popped up, and now he's in front of the mirror with bandages on his nose.

[D]

Wait.

[A]

No, you can't.

[B]

How long was the move?

[A]

These are things.

[D]

Two hours. It was two hours.

[A]

These are things that you can't quickly just gloss over. They just fast forwarded through this whole. If this were a musical, then I don't have no beef.

[C]

I will also say too, in regards to the vitiligo, the nose job, all that stuff, it didn't really. It just said that it happened, and it didn't really discuss enough for me why it happened. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

See something another hour to the movie, then listen to the movie. Too long. Not if. Not if.

[C]

Not if it's good.

[B]

Won't really.

[A]

If it's. Listen, they talking about. They talking about it being a part two to it. My girl went to see it last night and came out like, I think

[B]

it was gonna be a part two.

[A]

I laughed. Ends. If you live through this,

[B]

bro, every. Could they. Could they. Hold on, hold on. How. How we talking about? There's a crop of people that don't. That didn't live through this that's in their 20s.

[C]

A lot of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like there's a lot of people. You heard Michael Jackson, you don't really know the mic just watching Ray. But to Joe's point, though. But to Joe's point, Even if you 20 something years old and you heard of Michael Jackson and you don't know the story, when you walk out the movie theater, you still don't know the story or you don't know his.

[A]

Can I just finish slamming this before y' all come on with what y' all love? Lorenz Tate was in this movie for six minutes. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, I got generous.

[A]

Lorenz Tate was in this movie for six minutes. There was a portion of this movie where I thought the script had to be maybe 22 pages with the words. That was good to see. Since that was. It was just music. Singing, singing. Quick, quick scene. Jump cut to a year. Music, music, music. Yo, Lorenz Tate was playing Barry Gordy. Check this out. I don't never want to see Barry Gordy not be 75 years old. I ain't going to hold you. When I hear the name Barry Gordy and I see him in a movie. Don't show me him. Young it up.

[D]

Yo.

[A]

I don't care. We got you.

[D]

We got you, champ.

[A]

Bubbles. All right, this is a good grade.

[B]

Now I'm with you.

[A]

The cgi Bubbles that he brought his whole family out to look at that. That Bubbles was a mess. The giraffe, cgi, all the CGI movies.

[C]

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[A]

The CGI was horrible.

[C]

My favorite, my biggest laugh in the. In the movie was they're in the studio and they showed Quincy at the board. And I was like, damn. They show Bruce Sweden, who's this legendary engineer who did all of his shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But then they showed him and I was like, oh, shit, Bruce Wayne. That's dope. They included him. They say his name, which is a little disrespectful, but whatever. But then they continued to zoom out and Bubbles. That the fucking board. Yeah, I fucking hollered.

[D]

I know you were business. What? That was a mess.

[C]

Why is Bubbles at The board.

[D]

That's some engineer nerd shit, though. He can't even fade.

[A]

And then you can't really appreciate Mike greatness without knowing. I watched this movie and was laughing at. They cut out every time Joe Jackson was about to get in his bag. They cut it right out, Joe. They cut it right out. I don't know what's the fuck story it. It's part of Mike's greatness. Every part. Mark talking about how he escaped from his dad. When did he do that in the movie? Then did that dad help him at every turn?

[D]

Remember when his dad just popped out after Close the door. The out of me standing right there holding the paper.

[B]

So wait, I was just gonna frame this.

[A]

And poor knee along, Poor knee along. Just another one that just standing there.

[B]

He gonna tell the truth.

[A]

Standing there, not helping, just not doing nothing. Nothing. Hey, in the beginning of the movie when Mike that song up, they cut it out. But Joe beat the dog out of Michael Jackson when he that, hey, they show him give a little pow pow. He was.

[B]

He.

[A]

He cleaned that house up with that young Michael Jackson.

[B]

Yo, when they told him, yo, stop

[C]

moving in the booth, you ain't see the look.

[B]

He's getting ready, going to the booth.

[A]

He was going.

[D]

He was going to the booth to meet him and wait.

[A]

And then he go. He gonna turn to Barry Gordy. He in there hanging out with Barry Gordy. Bigger. Joe Jackson looking like, where is my. He told Barry, I love you. Thanks for everything.

[B]

You can ask me anytime.

[A]

And when he turned around, oh, wait,

[D]

Barry Gordy almost got him up.

[A]

You know anything you need me. I said, oh, they cut it out. You right here.

[B]

Joe Jackson got.

[A]

Joe Jackson cleaned that hallway.

[B]

Switch.

[A]

The switch. Young Michael.

[C]

I thought they were pretty nice on Joe Jackson, honestly.

[A]

Wait. Mike was so el. He went to the label, he said, hey, I need y.

[B]

And they was looking like, yeah, they like, who? Who Fire who?

[A]

Boy, when Joe got. When Joe got that facts. When Joe got that facts. Hey, they cut it out the movie.

[B]

Clean some off in the kitchen, close the refrigerator.

[A]

But when he got his hands on Mike, he cleaned the house with Michael J. Jackson. I ain't gonna tell you. Mike overcame so much and they didn't show it.

[B]

Fail ish. Because you ain't see it. The held the facts in his hand for a good eight hours.

[D]

Yeah, every scene he was at different places with it. The sun was up, the sun was down. This was still holding.

[B]

He finally saw him.

[D]

He was like, what kind of sun does this?

[A]

I was gonna frame this you wanna fire me?

[B]

You fired me through facts. You couldn't even say it to my face. No, I need my face.

[A]

I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe I was laughing so hard in this movie. Just knowing that they invited real Jacksons to watch this. Then the stupid movie. Come on. They want to keep showing me.

[B]

Latoya.

[D]

What was Janet.

[A]

Janet said, fuck y' all if you don't remove me and my image and likeness from this clusterfuck that y' all got going on. So now we gotta act like Michael Latoria about was talking type. See, Ice wouldn't know because I don't know some of the story they told. Diana Ross called them expediently. Hey, remove anything that Diana Ross out of this movie. Don't y' all put. You better not. Don't put no Diana.

[B]

Don't put a D. Mercedes.

[D]

Don't even say.

[B]

Don't put.

[A]

Note.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Princess Diane. Don't put nothing. Diane, Carol, Dian.

[A]

Don't put Ross from Friends. Don't put nothing in this mov. Rick Ross. Really?

[D]

But what's the reason you think I don't?

[A]

Because. Because they saw it.

[B]

Because they saw it. This didn't tell their full story. Don't know.

[A]

Real person want to be associated with this. This.

[B]

And like I said again, it does seem like there was a theme with this movie. It wasn't to tell Michael's story. It was more so to tell. This was to just show Michael's, like, coming of age and finally becoming Michael own person and getting from under my father.

[D]

That's what it seemed like.

[B]

That was the purpose of the movie. Not the gang members.

[A]

The gang members embed it.

[C]

That scene was.

[B]

I thought it was gonna show him joining the Crips right then, too.

[A]

See, that's the thing that the fans. I thought Michael Jackson was a Crip.

[B]

He was.

[A]

And he went to the hoods and got real gang members to be in the vicinity. So they tried to show that using Hulu Gang members.

[B]

This nigga's an idiot, bro.

[A]

Them niggas look like, you know, the main nigga that they had that was doing the dance with the mustache. They went and got Torres from New York Undercover to be that nigga. Like these look like the gay Torres was. That was.

[D]

But he wasn't actually.

[A]

No, it wasn't really Torres. This guy looked. I'm saying he was like the lugs version of Torres. These gang members.

[B]

Joe hated this movie because his print shot.

[A]

Shot in the movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was the print shot?

[B]

Some little. We Was like, don't let Prince get it or something.

[D]

Oh, yeah, he did.

[B]

That's what it was.

[D]

Yeah, he did. He. That's what it was. He did throw that shot at me.

[B]

He threw that little shot, man.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

No, that was a big up.

[B]

No, no, it wasn't set as a big up.

[A]

You talking about when he. They was talking about a song, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he said, don't let Prince get that song.

[D]

He said it. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember the exact I with him.

[B]

I want him getting it. No, he took it. Like, if he get.

[A]

I don't. Women. He's the biggest out there. Please don't let him get this. Yeah, I took it like that. I didn't take it like that.

[D]

But how they do a mov without the. So Jan is not mentioned at all?

[A]

No, no, it's latoya. I mean, latoya was around, and then Jermaine.

[D]

Jermaine.

[A]

I hate when I could tell when the executive producer came in the writing room. And you gonna make Joe Jackson say, yeah, Jermaine's not coming on tour with us. Cause he stayed over there. He stayed in that house.

[B]

He stayed at Motown, where he want to be. He wanted to be at Motown, So let him stay there.

[A]

He stayed there. And we're on Epic. Yo. Casual fans, I promise y'.

[D]

All. Joe Jackson did not say that.

[A]

Nobody looked for Jermaine Jackson when this tour was being organized. Yo, that's not true. Not one. Not, not, not. Not.

[B]

I like this idea. Is Michael gonna be there?

[D]

Yeah. I mean, that's the main part.

[B]

Because without this, all that you talking go out the window. Like, is Michael gonna be the.

[A]

I don't even like how they burnt Mike's hair in the fucking.

[D]

This was just like a.

[A]

If you know Michael Jackson's story, which I do, this is like a spoof slap in the face to the real nigga that he was.

[C]

Yeah. It was the most surface level shit I ever seen.

[D]

Yes. It wasn't deep.

[A]

It was a money grab.

[B]

Wasn't deep.

[A]

It looks like a money grab. I agree with Paris, but Mike's story is deep.

[D]

Yeah, Mike's story is one of the deepest. That's why I say when you walk

[A]

into, any segment of his story is deep.

[C]

This is like The Times Square 2000 version of Michael Jackson's story.

[A]

This is the Marshall's version of. This is. This is it.

[D]

There's some stuff missing, but I think when I see a family make a film about somebody whose life is complicated and messy and interesting and Brilliant. I always expected to look like that. So I guess I just. My expectations were so managed coming in.

[B]

Is it possible that the family protected Joe?

[C]

Yes. If I look it, that's what y' all are.

[B]

You get what I'm saying?

[C]

I'm just saying a little bit.

[D]

I mean, Latoya has said all kinds of shit about Joe's and that stuff. Wasn't it? So, you know, I mean, all kinds of stuff.

[B]

Cause I know you were saying, like, they didn't really. They cut out. They didn't really show how Joe was on his ass. And if the family has the say so in this, it's like, we don't want that part out there that bad.

[D]

Yeah. And that might have been a tug of war between the different siblings, and that might have been part of what Janet didn't want to be a part of. I don't want to speculate about Janet so much, but I know they all had very different experiences with Joe. And I've seen Latoya say, and she's told me directly, like, some of her experiences with Joe and some of her allegations. And then I've heard Michael say things. I've talked to Marlon. He said different things. And so I think they wanted to just show, look, this dude was rough and clearly. But we're not going to go into all these different directions.

[B]

And the movie's not about.

[D]

It's not about that person. But see, I thought some of it was. Some of the stuff that y' all think was basic, I thought was subtle. Like when he first starts, as you said, cleaning the house with Mike, he also called him big nose.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And so calling him big nose to me was like, okay, this shit is deep in my head that I meant something wrong.

[B]

I got this nose right.

[D]

So by the time he's at the doctor saying, well, I need it to be symmetrical, it's showing the delusion that he has. And then when Joe walks up to him and he says, it's for my septum, it's like they're showing Michael has a self hate, and he's constantly trying to convince the world that there's a real reason for it. And the nose keeps getting smaller, and there's always a new excuse for the no strip. That came on, like, around an hour and a half. So to me, it wasn't that they didn't deal with it. They just expect. They expected a lot. They expected a little bit more of the viewer, which I'm okay with. But to your point, you shouldn't expect that much from the viewer. If you're gonna do a A and E Lifetime style movie, you gotta kind of pick your. Pick your struggle here. So. But I thought they hit that I didn't like. I wanted more of the creative stuff. There was such a creative tension between Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson from off the wall to bad in terms of the tug of war over who was gonna have most control over it. None of that was there. Cause Quincy just disappeared.

[B]

See, I don't know none of that.

[D]

There was more of a tension between Barry Gordy in the movie and Quincy than Michael and Quincy. Which I thought was weird given, I mean, Quincy said, by the way, it was weird. That was weird to me. There were things like that that I didn't like. But again, I didn't go unexpected much.

[A]

Go see this movie is what we're saying.

[C]

I was entertained, I will say that.

[A]

As was I. And listen, I laughed halfway through because I was laughing at Mark earlier. But as the music is playing because I went hoping to walk out. I did walk out, but I walked. But I walked out when he started doing the robot during Human Nature at the end. So it was the end. But that's my.

[D]

That was your breaking point.

[A]

Enough was enough at this point because I saw my. This is not. But, but in the movie I'm like, yo, I wanted to walk out sooner, but this music is so good that it's Michael Jackson music. Walk out on Michael Jackson music.

[C]

It was pretty cool the way they motifized his hits into like the score,

[A]

you know what I'm saying?

[C]

Like broke up little pieces of the melody.

[A]

That was, that was, that was.

[D]

I thought that was really dope. And again, I thought there were some tender moments. I, I thought young Michael Jackson, I. I was really, really compelled by that. Like watching him look for.

[A]

He ain't getting another acting gig. Shit, you won't see him again.

[D]

He might not get another performance.

[A]

If we ain't seeing Jonathan Majors. They better not put this little raggedy kid on the fucking team.

[D]

Shout out to that young man. I thought he did shout to the

[A]

young man in real life.

[D]

Yeah, I actually thought he did a

[A]

great job as Michael Jackson. We could put him in the sewer with the Ninja Turtles.

[B]

Well, he won't be Mike no more either.

[A]

We could put him.

[D]

I mean, he didn't body it, you know what I mean? In terms of the performance aspect. But again, like, I thought he tapped into something that's hard to tap into as a young kid in terms of the emotions and shit like that. When Michael. I felt that Kid looking for something. I felt that kid looking for love, looking for a father. That hug he gave Barry Gordon and Mark Lodas album, that shit was one of the most beautiful things I saw in the whole movie. Honestly, that hug you gave Barry Gordon's studio was real. I could feel that. Like, I just thought. I thought they did a good job. Even when Michael came back as the bigger Michael and he was trying to get them to play Twisted. Yo, fan. That was another one.

[C]

Nah, when they was. He was playing Twister with Bubbles.

[D]

Okay, that sounds ridiculous.

[B]

Oh, you're cheating.

[D]

You can't do that. That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. But anyway, shout out to everybody in the film. Shout out to Colman Domingo, who did an amazing job.

[A]

He was great.

[D]

He was smoking scared of him. He did the great job.

[A]

They knew they better put a real actor around them young Jackson kids.

[D]

And if y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

If y' all want to keep supporting film, whether you love it or hate it or in the middle, just support this film. Go out and check it out. Cuz we can't get more films made if we don't go out and support.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Yeah. That was the greatest news I got going to the movie theaters is that I pick. Is not closing in for Lee. Hey, make some. Make some noise. Make some choice. You threw some bread down. No, no, no. But someone did. Like I knew they would.

[C]

You should have.

[A]

Like I knew they would. No.

[D]

How many seats did you buy yesterday? Yeah.

[A]

6.

[D]

How many people went you?

[A]

Nobody.

[D]

Just make. Make somebody.

[C]

You played your part.

[D]

Yeah. Joe bought six seats to sat to sit by to make sure no one

[A]

was sitting near him and still sat next to somebody.

[D]

Did you?

[C]

I started. I started next to someone and I saw some seats open. I was like.

[A]

Cuz it was. I picked that thing because it was the smaller theater. So that means that the two seats I'm always in over here, like, was just over here. And I bought the center ones and that was in the center. But it only let me buy the. It was a mess. I sat in the center and some thug sat next to me.

[D]

I had. Yeah, I saw it in the hood. So I was. I was a lot of people there

[A]

and it wasn't a thug. Some nigga just kept getting up to do shit for his queen.

[C]

How dare he?

[B]

How dare you?

[D]

What was he?

[A]

This nigga was so considerate. The whole movie came back.

[B]

She had popcorn and everything.

[D]

Goober.

[A]

Goober viewers. Yo, stop saying that. You see me do that. I never did that. Anyways, time to pay some Bills. It's time for my favorite part of the show. Your phone was on 6%.

[D]

It's on 1%.

[C]

Living dangerous.

[A]

Your phone's on 1% at noon.

[B]

Yeah, I should do that a lot.

[D]

Yeah. I didn't get to charge this overnight night.

[C]

You don't plug it in.

[A]

You don't plug your phone in.

[D]

I took a Uber here.

[A]

You don't plug.

[C]

The question still remains the same.

[D]

What about you? I didn't have no access to one in this particular Uber.

[A]

What about when you go to bed at home?

[D]

Normally at night I over. I charge. But last night I sometimes forget. Yeah, I was out so late watching this movie for work that I didn't get a chance to. To do it.

[A]

So you said your phone is dying too often?

[B]

Yeah, this phone always die. His phone die mid combo and he won't call you back. That's just ish. I don't be charging my all the time.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So you see any time he see me when he say, yo, yo, let

[A]

me get you charger, I feel like that's another one of those things that men can't do. Your phone shouldn't hit below 10.

[D]

I also don't like to.

[C]

Unless you're at home. I let my go dead at home.

[D]

Yeah. Let it die at home.

[A]

You do what you want.

[B]

Why you do that?

[D]

Sometimes you gotta let it die. Right?

[A]

Ish.

[D]

You gotta let it die sometimes. I get it. Certain hours. I'm trying to say you make sure you don't get no phone calls. You don't want want.

[B]

So I get phone calls during the pop.

[D]

Listen, listen. Tomato, tomato, bro, I don't know when you get. That's not what. Never mind. Stop doing it for your man. You know what that means.

[A]

Flip side. When he shoot at y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

That's all right. Tag teamers, y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

When Flip shoot at y', all, I'm on his side.

[D]

Don't y' all feel weak? You need a help to help. I want help. Captain Pom Pom.

[A]

It's just a coincidence.

[D]

I'm helping. I'm a help, right? But don't. Don't as a. You just asking why I helped him. As a strong man, don't you feel weak that you have to depend on this nigga to come in and save you a lot of. Who need say I a. Let me ask you a question mark.

[A]

Always jump in and save that flat earth fight they had.

[B]

Look at you trying to push a narrative to your flunkies. I know, it was cool.

[D]

I don't need from.

[B]

So what was happening before Mark.

[D]

I just got here. What?

[A]

What was happening before Mark?

[B]

When I was airing everybody.

[A]

I didn't know you talking. I didn't know you thought the earth was flat before Mark got here.

[B]

We don't talk about that type of talking about. I didn't need no help before Mark got here.

[A]

We wasn't talking about flat earth.

[B]

We talked about everything else.

[A]

And I love you a lot more than Mark. So when you be saying stupid, I'mma let it rock you. My man Mark wanted he. But then he felt bad. So now he cater to you like one of Sally strother's kids for 69 cent a month. Again.

[B]

Again. Pushing your narrative. I don't need nobody to hold me.

[A]

Look out. Y' all ain't had a. A rift since. Y' all ain't had a tiff since.

[B]

Me and Mark argued over capitalism and every other argument.

[D]

It was a gentle debate.

[A]

It was very gen. Gentle wasn't arguing.

[B]

We had an argument over flat earth.

[D]

We had.

[B]

You had an argument over flat earth.

[A]

Was debating gently.

[D]

Oh, I'll let you finish.

[B]

So ever since tricky words, you done swallowed your tongue. You talking about.

[D]

Let me tell you something. You know that I'm ready. Don't. I'm ready for that. And I'm ready for you. You always will. And Mark.

[A]

We'll look at Mark like the type

[D]

of God like you.

[A]

We'll end this.

[B]

I. I don't. Ass kiss. That's y' all up here.

[A]

Tap d it again. We'll end Mark in front of you. Look, you want us to end them? Look, we ain't doing your dirty work for you. You end them flat earth.

[B]

I'm me. I hold my own against anybody.

[D]

You know how y' all sat here

[B]

for five hours quiet against Umar? Ain't nobody say nothing except me. Is you talking about.

[D]

I was watching that as a viewer. Your man don't want to see him.

[A]

Well, all our girls.

[B]

I don't know nothing about it.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Yo, we talked about way more than that. We talked for five hours.

[A]

He was coming at you for different reasons.

[B]

It wasn't white girls. Girl, for five hours?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I was only like an hour for more. It was only there.

[B]

No, it wasn't. But it's okay. Is you talking about. I don't need no help.

[A]

Wait. How you still shooting at me?

[D]

Freeze. You jumped in.

[A]

Freeze. Make him calm down.

[D]

No, I'm jumping in.

[A]

Freeze.

[D]

Freeze. Make him chill.

[A]

You the only one that could get him off me.

[D]

Chill. Relax. Yeah, Pom Pom Pom.

[B]

Your new nickname is Pom Pom.

[D]

I can take that.

[A]

You get a pass today because we on Mark Ass.

[B]

You need a ple.

[D]

Skirt. My. I can take that.

[B]

You need a pleated skirt.

[D]

I can take that. To see the difference between you and I. I really shoot at everybody, boy, I don't need to borrow a gun to ask Mark for permission to shoot.

[B]

Mark, let me ask you a question.

[D]

You look at that advice all the time.

[A]

We ain't at six games with Mark.

[D]

He's your advice. Don't throw tap freeze. He's your advisor.

[A]

You can't shoot him. Mark, he done gave you a doctor. He done gave you a foot specialist. He.

[D]

You don't got too much from him.

[A]

I ain't getting nothing for the Mark.

[D]

Just say that's your man, bro. Just say that's your man. The doctor saved your whole.

[A]

Saved your whole leg, though. You couldn't even walk. Yeah, couldn't even walk. Was in a boot before Mark gave you the black Philly specialist, dumbass. He had this always referring people look at you. Go ahead. What?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

He had bandages.

[D]

Yeah, you had bandages.

[B]

We all boss.

[D]

We sick. I guess that's his joke. He said that? Oh, that's something that you do all the time? No, he didn't say Malcolm X. You want to say another joke that he sell? I heard him say it, though. Look, I heard him say it.

[A]

You going to get Mark killed today.

[B]

No, I'm not. Marco,

[A]

By me telling you, you ain't

[D]

going to do nothing. You know what this is what ish do? Let me tell you what he does. Who is I? Low key think that he intimidated this Mark? Nigga, dawg, you just echo everything joke, y'. All. Not even too.

[B]

You want I intimidated Mark or Mark intimidated me?

[D]

Which one? He don't know how words are. What I mean, okay, what itch did is that once Mark moved out here to New Jersey, and because itch got a lot of connects, Mark needs itch approval. So what itch did is like, yo, nigga, ease over me on the party. Make sure you good outside. It's a whole trick. They look to each other to talk. Watch them niggas. It's weird. It's like some weird gay shit. You make sure I'm thin outside. Oh, shit.

[B]

Don't argue me on a pie. I'm gonna make sure you can walk

[D]

around free facts, cracks. You be good at Starbucks. I don't go nowhere. What the is you talking about?

[B]

You be good in suburban million dollar neighborhood?

[A]

You Win.

[D]

Why don't you get your own thoughts, man?

[B]

Yo, I'm gonna make sure the lawyers don't get you.

[D]

What the. You talk about all these one and impossible. This is Joe. You just say whatever he said. Say he said. I'mma call these one in the. That was funny. That was funny.

[A]

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[B]

Nice.

[C]

That was a rough game last night.

[D]

I thought it was great. We were talking about the Hawks. Yeah, I love that game. I thought it was great.

[A]

What?

[D]

I thought that.

[B]

Amazing.

[D]

What?

[C]

I root for the Knicks.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, I don't.

[C]

Too bad.

[D]

I used to be indifferent, but now after being up here, I hate them Knicks and six.

[A]

Knicks and six.

[D]

Last time I heard you say that, they was playing the paces last year in the playoffs. The game.

[A]

The game the other night. You mark the game the other night didn't make me Feel very good.

[B]

Which one?

[A]

Game two.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I mean, not. Wait, Game two. Game three. I'm sorry. Game three in Atlanta night.

[D]

Nail biter.

[A]

Not to me.

[B]

Yo, dog, I told you.

[A]

What? Knicks didn't even deserve to come back in that game. The Knicks. I agree. The Knicks look like Mike Brown is getting completely out. Coached by Dan Quinn of all people. Dan Quinn's a good coach.

[B]

Don't say it like that.

[A]

Kaminga is putting on a clinic. CJ is prime Kobe now.

[C]

Yeah, he's bugging.

[B]

No, I think. I think the Kaminga thing is something that y' all didn't account for and really didn't scout out for. And I also think I told you this and you scoffed at me the other day. They going every fourth quarter, especially down the stretch, they're gonna start put. Putting Brunton little ass in a pick and roll and saying, yo, whoever is sticking, whoever.

[A]

He's sticking Nick in six and y'

[B]

all getting the calls and still losing.

[A]

We look like. Yeah, we look like a first round exit team right now.

[B]

I ain't gonna lie. Y' all can't do that. Carl Anthony Town's got to put his big ass back to the battle basket and play down low. That three pointer, all it do is play into Atlanta strengths.

[A]

But cj, CJ is a friend of the show. So if there's anybody that's happy to see him getting in his bag, it is me. That's still CJ from when they went to the Western Conference finals and him and Dame were crazy against the Warriors. Still CJ McCollum for sure.

[D]

He's a problem.

[A]

And I love that he did the whole, yo, I'm not a villain. I'm a family man. I'm a married with two kids. Even though he's still a villain, but by villain, he's just an absolute killer. But I love that he really is on that family. Cj. CJ was the bounce error. That was our bounce error. Me and you. Antoine Marby. You Mr. Marby. That was our bounce era. When CJ was over there and he was being married and faithful, we wasn't.

[B]

Speak for yourself.

[A]

It was us in bounce with Rob. You remember Rob?

[B]

I don't know nobody named Rob.

[A]

Rob was the big white boy at the bar with the cowboy hat who was trying to take us all over the country on private jets off some liquor brands.

[C]

You trying to trick on you.

[A]

Rob was him. Yo, shout to Rob. Rob was him. Rob was the super cool white guy just at the bar buying everybody drinks. Worked for what Was that Honey Drink Jack See, worked for Honey Jack and he was just so fly that. Yo, what, what are y' all doing this weekend? I mean we, we taking the, the. The Honey Jack jet.

[B]

And that's what I said before in New York.

[A]

Y' all didn't go with him? No, no.

[B]

In New York, bro, you could be standing next to A that's worth 3,400 million dollars and he got on a white T shirt and a lumberjack and you don't know nothing.

[A]

That's a fact. And some of them would be cool. Cool as right? What Mark says about them.

[B]

Be cool as.

[C]

Cool as capitalist.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Shout out to Rob, Bounce, cj. Go, go Knicks. Knicks and six.

[D]

How about them Sixers? People be clowning. Sixes looking pretty good.

[A]

I absolutely love VJ.

[D]

Yeah, VJ put up 30.

[A]

Absolutely love. No free throws.

[D]

No free throws.

[A]

He put up 30. No free throws.

[D]

That's just impressive. It's one of the best playoff debuts

[A]

of a real him and Maxi was back there just doing whatever they wanted to them.

[D]

Yeah, and Embiid looked like he's not playing game three. According to reports he had appendicitis. Enough of that, you know what I mean? But if you. I'm just saying if he comes back anytime in the series, it could swing it either way. Sometimes I think their offense looks a little too slow and he doesn't have the rim protection he used to because he's not as mobile. So sometimes the Sixers don't look as good offensively or defensively with him in there. Then there's nights where he looks like him again. And all I'm saying is he get one good Embiid night on game five or game six. This series could go a different way. Yeah, yeah. She could change. Everything could go. Everything go a different way.

[A]

Embiid is going to go down as the best that never was able to do it. Yeah, him and Bill.

[D]

He's like the Bill Walton in that way.

[A]

Which is a shame cuz he got Bill Walton wiped.

[D]

Oh, he's way more talented.

[B]

Bill Walton and Embiid in the same sentence.

[D]

No, in terms of being elite all time centers who health got in the way of them being black People don't

[A]

claim that, you know.

[B]

Yeah, he.

[A]

Black people don't claim Bill Walton is

[C]

some of us whites too, to be clear.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Either right.

[D]

I take Bill Walton in Portland and

[A]

I think that's cuz of injury maybe cuz he was often injured and he

[D]

never really got to see in college he was elite.

[A]

In college he was elite.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

And then in Portland he won a championship. He was elite.

[A]

We don't care and we ain't with his son before he went on his run as a player.

[B]

I like his as a player.

[A]

Wouldn't with Lukas a good.

[D]

And then in Boston he was a good role player. I mean, I get it. Bill Walton is overrated, but he's still in elite all time player who injuries got in his way. That's in B2, but we'll see.

[A]

Come on, let's congrats. Congrats though.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

To the Sixers. That was a good win.

[D]

Hopefully we can push this.

[A]

That was a good one.

[B]

Unlike for winning one game.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Especially when my team lost one game. Now two games. I would hate to see Boston just run all over the Sixers while we in a dog fight with the Hawks. Yes, Sixers. Please slow them down.

[D]

He wants us to wear Boston down so that then they can play Boston in the next.

[A]

Hopefully if we can play.

[D]

If we get to play. I'm just trying to win every game, man. I ain't worried. I can't even think about the brackets.

[B]

If y' all get bounced first round this year you blow it up.

[D]

You got to.

[A]

I think they're blowing it up if they don't make the finals.

[B]

Oh, okay. So you got finals or bust.

[A]

Oh, yeah. If they don't make the finals, this team will never play together again. Sorry. Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Out of here.

[C]

Any quick thoughts on the draft while we're in worst take.

[A]

Okay, I want to start with I don't know ball. So of course at pick 10. 10. I thought we were going Caleb Downs.

[C]

I thought we were doing it 11. I was sick.

[A]

Arbel Reese, he's nice. Marvel Reese, Caleb downs. We leave with two of the best players in the entire draft. Yeah, but Harboro wanted. Harbo wanted to get the offensive lineman mount W and he. I like that pick. I like that pick, but I don't know ball. So I was looking for the sexy pick later which would have been Caleb Downs.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And pick five. We go with the need, but I guess he did it reverse. He took sexy first arvo. Reese is sexy. That's a sexy pick. And he went with the need later. So I'm happy with it.

[C]

I was so happy when the fucking Dolphins got to 11 and Caleb Downs was still there. And then we went and traded it to fucking ish. Cowboys had a great draft feeling.

[A]

The Cowboys do that every year. Yo. They kind of do every year. Cowboys do that. Stephen, who is that Stephen Jones. Fucking Stephen Jones.

[C]

Drafter. He's a good draft. He's a good drafter. I'm happy with our second pick in the first round, but the first pick I'm iffy on, but it's a tackle. It's not sexy.

[A]

And then he's talking about the Dolphins.

[C]

Dolphins. Yeah. I'm a Dolphins fan.

[A]

Sorry. You. Us.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I just knew we was getting Caleb Downs.

[C]

I knew we was, but you know what?

[A]

But once we passed, it's not that we didn't get him. It's that Sonny Styles went to the Commanders and Caleb Downs went to the Cowboys. Cowboys.

[B]

That's in your conference. Yeah.

[A]

So now the NFC east is division.

[B]

Pardon me, right there.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

It was lacking in the secondary.

[A]

And then the Eagles got Makai Lemon. He. They do it every year, too.

[B]

They good.

[A]

They do it every year, too.

[C]

They do great.

[A]

I like Ty Simpson on the Rams at 13. I thought that was. I thought that and the Chiefs pick were the most obvious picks for me.

[C]

Cleaned up, too. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, they did. They did great. But it was a good first draft.

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

It was a good first day of the draft.

[C]

Well, it was very unpredictable. Tate going fourth to Tennessee was like.

[A]

Oh, I feel like. I feel like once Love left, Tennessee didn't know what to do.

[C]

Yeah, maybe.

[A]

I feel like they had no idea what they were doing.

[B]

It only takes one pick to really upset a whole draft.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like we see it in fantasy. Oh, like we see it in fantasy. If somebody do some stupid. It'll the whole first round up, like. And they could just come take.

[A]

You'd be like Jeremiah Love at three to the Cardinals, who had already got algier from the Falcons. They. They resigned. Connor.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And Benson, I think. And I think Benson back. Check that for me. But I think Benson. Trey Benson, running back. They got three running backs. That's the running back room in the Cardinals. And they took Jeremiah Love third, which makes him the highest paid running back in the league.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

Like, by a lot, too. He gets 50 mil. He'll get 50 million guaranteed throughout the course of his contract. I think the next one is Bijan and Saquon and all that later. That's nuts. And no way the Titans thought they were doing it.

[C]

Yeah. And I mean, you gotta get Wade some. Wade Wake some war.

[A]

Ward.

[C]

Ward. I'm sorry.

[A]

Ward. Some help.

[C]

Cam. Wig. Yeah, some help. So I'm not mad at that, but. Yeah, I don't Know, Yeah.

[A]

I'm waiting to see what happens tonight. Who we take? We got another pick.

[B]

Some of these organizations be trash because they just do dumb every single year.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Literally, like, they just poorly ran organizations and they kind of the sport up. Like everybody clown Dallas, but we do some smart. Sometimes times you drive very well, but. Yo, dog, when you just see these

[A]

and y' all let Michael Irvin have the White House, You mad you ain't get to that White House run. That have been your what behind the stadium? What? You ain't been in Dallas game in a while, too. What happened?

[D]

They took your tickets.

[A]

They banned you? W. She said no more Dallas like mine did. I can't go to Dallas neither.

[B]

No more Dallas with me.

[A]

No, no, that's not what I'm saying. I know she does. I'm sure mine come to Dallas with me, too. Now,

[B]

that's the only way you're going to Dallas is what he say.

[A]

Who here is allowed to go to Dallas by themselves?

[D]

I probably to the Cowboys game.

[A]

I could mark.

[B]

What? No matter what the mark where you

[A]

maybe I ain't sure, boy. Bye. Where can't you go by yourself? Not that there's a rule, but it's.

[D]

You know, I think the two cities that were raised the most questions.

[A]

There we go.

[D]

Would be la.

[A]

Atlanta.

[D]

Atlanta, yeah.

[B]

You go to Miami by yourself?

[D]

You know, that's a good one. I go to Miami so rarely. I never thought about it. Probably. I'd probably be another one that probably would be DC. DC's fine. I work in DC. Oh, I mean, DC.

[A]

You guys work in DC, you said?

[D]

I said I work in DC. Al Jazeera. Work, work, work, work. Got it.

[A]

Come on, let's get to some music.

[D]

Music.

[A]

Let's get to some music. You guys, y' all want to start with the Drake date? You want to start with Kehlani? Which one?

[D]

I mean Kehlani. Y' all listen to Kehlani? Because there was a lot of jokes last episode when I said, kehlani's coming on Friday.

[A]

Oh, you're such a. I absolutely knew that you was gonna do that.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

I was joking on you for knowing the date.

[D]

Right. But when that shit released, who listened to it? You probably listened a minute that your shit dropped.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[D]

How was it? It's amazing. Amazing.

[A]

Absolutely amazing.

[B]

Amazing.

[C]

At first, the first record, I didn't like it. I was like, oh, the Wayne record. Then it was great. From there on out, I was like, okay.

[A]

See, I wasn't mad at the Wayne Record. It was given. All right. It was giving. It was a vibe. I see. That's the vibe that you on. Then the Clips record. Same vibe to me. Okay, cool. That absolutely took off.

[C]

Once you get to.

[D]

Ooh.

[C]

Ooh, is.

[D]

I like this one before. Ooh, the Brandy joint.

[C]

That was dope, too. That's for sure.

[A]

Now, hold up. Everybody mute up, because we're not gonna. First of all, the Brandy joint, the run is folded, and then it's the Brandy joint. Let me just make sure. Let me make sure here. Yes. Folded Brandy four, folded five. I need you, Brandy featuring Brandy. And six is Ooh. But we gonna pause on these two. The Brandy. Recording this new record for a minute. Hold up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y' all know I'm not gonna fail you when it come to a soft side of a thug. R B ish. Don't suck your teeth while I'm talking. You my son. I'm not gonna fail y' all in the soft side of a thug. Let's go. This sound like it's supposed to be on. On the Full Moon album. I ain't gonna hold you.

[D]

Always wanna be

[A]

in your. Let's go. On the background. This has been over peace since it dropped. I ain't gonna lie.

[C]

Chippy Jim. Terry Lewis.

[A]

Oh, come on. Yo,

[D]

Terry Lewis. Do what you can.

[A]

Of course, Jimmy Jam. Integrity, Jimmy Jam. I love you. And that makes sense because both Kehlani is from that Kehlani, Tiana. They. They are. They keep, like, Janet Jackson tradition alive on the low.

[B]

Sure, yeah. Yes.

[A]

So that makes all the sense in the world. Oh, listen to this angel. You forget she even related to Ray J. Oh, my God. And now. Now that you say that the end. Should have told me. Jimmy Jam. With all of that chord rising. Oh, my God. This drop when I was on my way. I was in the car, in the truck already when this was out.

[B]

What sweatpants you had on?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

What sweatpants you had on?

[A]

Big black ones.

[D]

Big.

[A]

I tried to wear some fittest sweats last week. It wasn't doing the same. It ain't the same when they could just find your dick. Oh, that's your dick. Crazy. My bigger with some mystery. All right, you know what time it is? Let's go. Oh, come on, man. Come on. I gotta let them finish. Because I just appreciate people knowing when their hook is fire and letting it rock properly. And this is what you do when you have a Brandy feature. I'm not gonna lie. This is how it's supposed to sound. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[D]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[A]

Wait a minute.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[A]

Stop. Cause I could do that all day. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My God. That record. See. Cause I was a little. I was thrown off when I bought the folded pack and Kehlani and Brandy did folded.

[B]

And while it was great.

[A]

I know my girl, Ms. Norwood. I know Ms. Norwood.

[B]

She ain't getting in her bag on that one.

[A]

She gave you that. Cause she was already in there cooking. She was already cooking you up something that was proper. So at the end of the session, it's a pull up, fold it. And yeah, I got a little something for that. Do a little something for that. But the crap crack. The crack was in studio. Hey. Or some. Anyway, let's get to it.

[C]

This is the one.

[B]

This is the one.

[A]

Oh, my God. This record. But this record is right after the other record, which is not fair. So I gotta hold the nut.

[D]

Almost turned around.

[C]

Went back home on the car ride on.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yo, I got a hold. And I'm at that age when my get to twitching.

[C]

It's coming.

[A]

It's coming out. I'm sorry, man. I used to be able to hold it. Used to think I was.

[C]

Take on this one.

[A]

Excuse me.

[C]

Take. And Carrie Hilson writers.

[A]

Because that's what stands out on the Kehlani project. She's great. Her performance is great. Songwriters jump. Jump out all over this. Yeah. Project like songwriters.

[B]

She went and got them.

[A]

The Usher record is not my favorite, but it sounds like a songwriter.

[B]

I like that record.

[A]

Still a songwriter. Still later. The Leon Thomas joint. A songwriter. Back to this, though.

[C]

Dixon on the Usher.

[A]

What?

[C]

Dixon. And still Dixon.

[A]

You are killing my boy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You are absolutely killing my boy. We let this rock, though. Oh, my. Oh, my God. God. That's all she could say is. Oh, she can't say nothing else. Python in there. Hit that with. With the girth. What you going to say? Ain't nothing to say. Yo, stop playing with this girl. Yo, turn this off. Stop playing with this lady. Stop playing with this lady. Tyrese, stop playing with Tank. Y', all. The. You just came up here. Try to jump us. Shout out to tyrese.tyrese patreon.com. yo, dog.

[C]

Album's really good, man. It did not disappoint.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

At all.

[C]

Shout to Neil Pogue mixed it.

[A]

Shut up.

[C]

He's a legend, man.

[A]

Actually, it sounds. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

He did All Outcast and Doja Cat. A bunch of Amazing Races.

[A]

It sounds like that. I'm still letting this go but yeah, please, they have to stop playing with this lady. And I don't really know who is playing with her.

[C]

But just in case.

[B]

That's how you follow though, after coming off of folded the Grammy run all that like the years you've had a nice delivery.

[A]

See, and this is why I gotta hear the her album. It's four songs on here that should have been on that her album.

[C]

You know, her cooking up.

[A]

I know she is.

[B]

I'm trying to just give her. It's that other crap.

[C]

She taking a while though.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

I treat her. I give her the Frank Ocean grace that people give him. I give it to her.

[B]

I don't care how long she take. You can go three more years if I'm gonna want the album. But you, you can take your time.

[A]

Honestly, She can't even wait till we get to the hoop.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Now I have to let this rock because there's guitars on it. Indeed. And y' all know I'm not cutting it off before guitars. That's right. Look at flipping Mark song. Making them text their co workers. Probably texting somebody from colleague texting somebody from Flip the network right quick. Wait till the guitars come on, man. Colleagues. Oh, here we go. Here we go.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Take. You know what to do right now. Yeah. Build up to the guitars. Drop the drums. Sexy breathing. Talking over this. Oh, God. Sleep already. Oh, my God. Yo, what. What did is say this have sleep already. Oh, my God. Oh, man.

[B]

Old school Janet Jackson.

[A]

Yeah. I think that guitar wind up is one of the greatest sounds ever in music. It is. That's it. That's one of the greatest sounds in music.

[B]

Same time.

[A]

Pack this up.

[B]

That one.

[A]

Pack this up. Let's start thinking of names, girl.

[D]

Let's start thinking new names.

[A]

Let's start thinking of names. Yo, stupid. Yeah. Here, take my last name if you want it. Hyper an 80. I don't care. Everything.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

God damn.

[C]

Eric Walls on that guitar. That's his name.

[A]

Eric Walls.

[C]

Eric Walls. He's played with a lot of.

[A]

A lot of people shout out to Eric that. That guy. They put their absolute foot in some of the music on this. On this album.

[C]

They did.

[A]

They did. But good, good, good that y' all are giving talented people budgets to be talented. I love when an artist. There's no better feeling as an artist. Folded allowed Kehlani to just do what you want. Blossom and not have to argue with nobody at a label. Not have to fucking go in there with my SoundCloud producers. Go, yo, call them niggas up for me. Treat me like a level premier artist. And this is the music you might get back. We got Drake and Chris Brown in back to back weeks.

[B]

We gonna get outside of what you

[A]

think of the music. We're gonna get music that sounds like pros. Yes.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

That's it. Just professionals making music. Shout out to Kehlani, man. What else y' all want to hear from this shit?

[D]

I'm.

[A]

I'm cool.

[D]

I'm cool.

[C]

But. But still, that Leon Thomas record is great. The Carti record I like a lot too.

[A]

I'll get to the Leon Thomas Thomas record. Have to steal a little bit. I will say I'm a little shocked to not have heard any Destin Conrad.

[B]

Just that right there. Did.

[D]

We wouldn't look stupid in love when

[A]

we both know we're not that good I ain't got enough to get through

[D]

this My broken heart can't do no

[A]

good don't wake up on my call I told you were good But I'm not Every time I see your picture I miss you it just sounds like songwriting is all I'm saying. The song is building. Oh, it's written properly. See, the writers are gonna put that in there. They're gonna be descriptive. You got me crying in the hotel it's 3am in the morning. The writers are just. This is a phenomenal job by them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By everybody who worked on this project. This is Leon Thomas. The sweet nothing's featuring Leon Thomas. Y' all know he put his foot all the way.

[D]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[A]

And while we all on it, I felt like all of her. Even if you didn't like the Wayne feature. I feel like he killed it.

[C]

Oh, he did.

[A]

I feel like clips killed it. Big Sean killed it.

[C]

I just didn't like it starting the album, I guess.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe that's what it was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wasn't mad.

[C]

Like, the first thing I hear on the album is Wayne, like.

[B]

Yeah, after her intro, I hear Wayne's.

[A]

Yeah, I want some kids. Wayne is one of the artists that, though you're not. You're never supposed to do that. Really. Like, have the feature start your album or start the song that's starting your album. But, Wayne, you make the exemption. Exemption for. All right, Leon, let's go, let's go, let's go. You know what? We here for.

[D]

Change don't come overnight.

[A]

Right.

[D]

And I know it ain't looking good,

[B]

but you having patience for me, right? Who else?

[D]

It not me going to come through and serve you. I got it.

[B]

Work on me that doesn't mean I'm trying to make sweet love

[A]

oh, my God, man.

[B]

Yeah. A1 project word. A1 fire.

[A]

She did that.

[B]

Yes, she did.

[A]

She did. Kon, you did it.

[B]

I ain't got to say, like, nothing negative.

[A]

Yeah. This sound like somebody that won Grammys

[D]

or he's gonna win some more.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And a bunch of people that won Grammys.

[A]

Yeah. Yes, I would.

[B]

Got the Avengers and Made. Yeah, that's a good R and B A go.

[C]

Got a room full of pros.

[B]

Yeah, we know how to do this.

[C]

Ain't about to be no coming out of here.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Dixon is on fire, man. And I want. I want Jimmy Jam to come up here, man. You should.

[C]

You should.

[A]

He be so low, man. He just used to be. I used. When I used to do the R B. I told y' all before, he just would be in there listening to

[C]

the music, chilling, vibing.

[A]

That's it. That's it. We love that. What else? What else? What else we got? All right. Drake. May 15th.

[C]

We got a release date.

[B]

I think you.

[A]

You.

[B]

You called it.

[C]

I said.

[A]

I said.

[B]

I said.

[C]

I guess that is that the week

[B]

somebody said was like. No, no. Right around right before Memorial Day weekend, which is.

[D]

I said two weeks. I was thinking that was you.

[B]

You're right. I know. Somebody in here called it. I was like.

[D]

I was a little short, and I think y' all were a little long. It's kind of somewhere in the middle.

[B]

But, yeah, we got the date.

[A]

Heard that before, right?

[D]

Oh, never, actually.

[B]

They don't be wanting to tell.

[A]

They don't tell you.

[B]

They ain't gonna hurt your feelings.

[A]

They don't think Mark hole. And we walking with them pants.

[D]

Look at this.

[A]

Mark don't dress like you lay some down, he's gonna put it on. T shirt welling down. Welling down. Doctor, you gonna make a little with an arrow?

[D]

You can ask some of our mutuals.

[A]

How many mutuals do we have?

[D]

Oh, you know. You know the answer.

[A]

I don't.

[D]

Every time guys do that, I don't. I don't know. Let's move on to the next story. Why you won't answer. Why you won't answer.

[A]

How many mutuals we got?

[D]

Yeah, you introduce. You introduced it. Yeah. Because he knows the answer. I believe.

[A]

I promise you, on my kids, I don't know the answer.

[B]

How would you know? How would you know? Y' all got mutuals.

[A]

And how would I know how many?

[D]

I'll tell you I'll tell you later,

[A]

Cuz. His wife is more strict than my girl.

[D]

Uh. Oh, yeah, it's probably true.

[B]

How would you know?

[D]

Y' all got be having a conversation.

[B]

You be asking. Yo, you hit Joe?

[A]

No Joe.

[D]

Yo, I know, I know Mark. You move like that never no joke. Definitely. I was and I was, you know, cuz you. There's intimidation factor. You know, you v it out. Then I saw the ring camera. I was like, I'm good. I ain't got to think.

[B]

Yo, you be intimidated by another.

[D]

No, just set enough for the joke. Can we move on to the next story we got?

[A]

Don't introduce nothing again. If we going to back you down that fast.

[D]

I just want you to back me down, cuz. I want to see. I ain't going to tell nobody you. How you going tell nobody you possibly. Yo, don't let back you down. You backing me down. Are you talking to these women about.

[A]

Yeah, don't say the word mutual or nothing to rhyme with it again then.

[D]

And I have been told I'm answering the question.

[A]

I know you are.

[D]

I. I know when you get ready. Yeah. What up? What up? Relax. Possible let boss talk. Bosses are talk. Relax. Of course. You know what's a shame? When the mutuals. What? Look at you different. Yo, he working for that. Well, he had me first and you had me after. You know what I'm saying? Fix your. Stop talking to you all in the past, man. It's so long ago. I can't remember what's decades ago, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but everybody got. Everybody here got some sort of mutuality.

[B]

I don't know nothing. I don't know that. How would I know?

[A]

I wouldn't know. That's the only thing I'm sure. But how would we know?

[B]

We know. We don't ask them. I mean, that's your bag. And you find out who.

[D]

But it comes up. Sometimes comes up. Sometimes comes up.

[A]

Who brings it up?

[D]

Them.

[B]

If they bring it up, wouldn't they bring it up to the other person too?

[D]

Unless they don't with them. Unless they don't with them no more. Oh. If you're dissatisfied with the experience, you may not even say nothing else.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

You know what I'm saying? You might.

[A]

I ain't going to lie to you. My carfax is all the way good and out there. My girl don't like when I to say it. So I'm going mute up now. But he said it though.

[B]

You about to get in trouble.

[D]

It's so long ago, man. I can't. It's all fuzzy.

[A]

My car fat. If, if, if somebody heard something about me in the streets, it's 80% chance I'm. I'm pleased with the. You can't control. You can't.

[D]

So one out of five is some,

[A]

some, some people going to lie. You know some people. Some people are angry, emotional, but a good portion of it. Pleased with the. I'm pleased with my tax return.

[D]

Me too. I feel, I feel very comfortable about.

[A]

Don't say nothing. Don't say mutual ego pawn thing. Mutual.

[D]

This shit.

[A]

This whole May another one has mutuals with all us. May. May 15th.

[D]

Hey, he got you too. Backed him down. Now you have successfully backed him down.

[A]

How we feeling? How we feel? How we feeling?

[B]

I'm glad.

[A]

I'm glad, man.

[B]

I'm ready.

[C]

I'm excited.

[B]

I don't need the rollout shit now we got the date. That's all I cared about.

[D]

I can't wait to hear it.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Summertime. I want Drake music, man.

[D]

Me too.

[C]

It's time.

[A]

Drake. You Drake fans out there that are.

[B]

Oh, it's a lot of them.

[D]

He's just trying to make parks work today.

[A]

Don't fuck up the good equity that Drake has built in his silence, please. I'm telling you, he lost the battle. He went away, he took some advice, he got some therapy, he remained quiet. He stopped all the bullshit. Still suing all these niggas, but he's quiet. And now the world, I think, is very anxious to hear Drake music.

[C]

Look at that.

[A]

Here you fucking idiots go. Just trying to ruin a good moment. Did y' all think that? I saw somebody say, oh, they like the ice. The Ice exhibit. But they didn't like J. Cole driving around in the Civic. No, I didn't like that Civic shit. Don't bring it up again. Cole fans. You fans are pissing me off. The Ice shit was performance art. That was great. Also back to the Drake fans. That was my shot at the Cole fans.

[C]

The Civic was performance art.

[A]

Start too poorly done. I like this low hanging fruit. Just not just not no that Civic. You Drake fans, the ones sorry parts seem to think that because people thought he lost the battle by a lot that we never wanted to hear a Drake song again. Somebody help me understand it.

[D]

I've been trying to.

[A]

Somebody explain it to me, please.

[C]

I've been trying to understand it for years.

[B]

Their mindset of it's back to that

[A]

you chose the side. Stay on that side.

[B]

They don't think you can be fans of multiple people, especially if they're going at each other. You are a fan of here. If you on this side or you pick this side as the winner, whatever the case may be, that by default means you hate everything about that side. That's the way they operate. So they project that on everybody else.

[D]

Word.

[A]

I think that they.

[C]

They're not music fans. They're Drake fans. This is the way I look at it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They don't give a fuck about the music.

[A]

Right.

[B]

About anything.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And now that. Because he's been so quiet, now that he's out, you know, the. The roll out. We got a date. They feel like we've been waiting for this moment. And I don't want to see none of y' all who said he lost celebrated. Y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

Don't.

[A]

We.

[B]

We held it down.

[C]

He lost. And I'm gonna celebrate.

[B]

Especially if music is banging. No, no, no, no, no.

[D]

What was said when he lost? You see what I'm saying? Things were said when he was.

[B]

It was way more than your head.

[A]

He lost.

[B]

And for dissing them.

[D]

Dissing all that too much.

[B]

I don't give a. If we hear from this never again. Go sit down. It was more than y'. All. It was a. A unbiased observation of a battle. It was more than that. So for those people that are Drake fans who did the same thing on the other side, they would again that pick a side coach. It plays both ways. They like, yo, dog, don't come ride dick. Now, if this put out a fire project.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

That's their stance. I'm just telling you.

[A]

Okay, well, to them. Do you think that's realistic?

[D]

No, no.

[B]

I. I didn't think any of it was realistic, but I got clown for that. I didn't think none of it was realistic.

[C]

I'm confused.

[B]

I thought during that particular exchange, some of the music that was being put out by both parties was good music. On everything that. That said or did, no matter how good it was. I want to be clear, you're not

[C]

talking about other up here. Cuz we celebrated a bunch of the Drake here too.

[B]

But in general, everybody on everything he said. He couldn't say nothing during that battle that got no traction or no smoke.

[C]

That's not true that way.

[B]

And he did. He did. He took a lot of missteps in that battle, which backfired. Nothing to do with some of the music that he was putting some of

[D]

the missteps word of music. When he dropped. When he dropped Family Matters, we went crazy up here after no we didn't.

[C]

And Push Ups.

[D]

And I thought Push Ups was fire. I wasn't here.

[B]

I didn't get a chance to go. Go crazy for.

[D]

We went crazy. Yeah. Everything was happening at the same time, I think Push Ups.

[B]

We play Push Ups a lot. Family Matters before any of that, before

[A]

all these records, y' all naming the one where I heard on the Joe Button podcast, that'll be true. We were the only people to say that was fire.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Everybody was on the. The AI. We was the only progress, aggressive ones like it.

[B]

I ain't even like that song. I didn't even like that song. That. That Pac Man. But. But I think I'm just saying, generally speaking, niggas were saying, yo, this nigga didn't do shit. He was trash. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We could take it off.

[A]

But why. I'm saying, why can't you say that and want to hear Drake music?

[B]

You could, but to some people, it's gonna look like it's hypocritical. Because if he was G. Let's say. Let's just take Family Matters.

[D]

Right?

[B]

Family Matters, in my opinion, was a very, very, very well written song.

[D]

I like Family Matters. Right. Cool.

[B]

Shitted on that song and said it was trash.

[C]

Not up here. I don't care about the Internet.

[B]

A lot of the. A lot of the shitting on Family Matters I saw was my. You got this nigga shooting at you, but you took this record to fire at everybody else. Like, you move that. Talk to him. It was a lot of that.

[D]

Like, you, you. You.

[B]

Drake shot at everybody.

[D]

He got out coached.

[B]

That's what it looked like. Yeah, he got out, he got coached, and he underestimated his opponent. That's what really happened. He underestimated his opponents. All of that drop, drop, drop. Yo, you can't do this. Like, you taunted this. And when he was ready, he took your head off. And you didn't expect it. Your fans didn't expect this. I didn't expect it to go that way. We'll be changing the conversation, but back to the conversation. I think on. I think both sides of that. Pick a side. Because the people you speak to, the Drake. Oh, not speak to, but the people you're speaking about, the Drake fans who say, hey, y' all said, this, this, this. You can't come back over here. It's like they gatekeeping it now, like, because we stood tall on this side. If you weren't over here, we don't want to hear you back over here. It's not back on either side. Like good music. If Drakeo put out a good album, yes, Kendrick smoked his boots. And guess what? If Iceman is fire, I'm gonna come in here and be like, yo, this is my my.

[D]

You got. You just keep. Just keep in mind that people look at it as it's okay for somebody to lose, but when you kick a while he's down, it's a whole different thing. And that's what was doing it was kicking him while he's down. And I know y' all said it already.

[A]

If he get down again, I'mma kick him.

[D]

No, Joe. But then you not then we're not expecting. If you kick somebody down, if you kick him while he's down, we're not expecting you to come and praise him the next minute.

[B]

If he put out heat, you can

[D]

pray with his heat. It depends on what you say. Say it's how do you kick him while he.

[B]

I don't know Drake.

[D]

I think it's about my son.

[B]

I don't know Drake.

[C]

See.

[B]

And I think it was a lack of objectivity during the Drake battle. I think that personally didn't with him or what he stood for. And so they did not judge the music objectively. I mean that's what I really think

[A]

that has anything to do with people wanting to hear drink.

[D]

I think

[A]

both things for the to still be on that like we. We should be as a culture off of that now. Drake fans are never leaving it because of how it went.

[B]

But it's not J fans and Cole fans. All three of them are stuck now. All three fan bases. I'm talking about the. The. The stands of all three of them that has changed everything forever as far as anything them three drop they yo, it's, it's. It will never be the same. And I think. And I think that's. I think that's a bad thing. It is terrible. Because I think even if Drake puts out an amazing project, I think based on what Ice is saying, there's going to be a whole bunch of people that say yo, that is trash. No matter how good it is. There's going to be a lot of people like I don't with it. And they going to find Internet and justification is not.

[A]

We got to get back to that.

[D]

The people on the Internet can't say the Internet when the Internet is moving.

[C]

I don't care what their opinions are.

[D]

Who are they? The idiots on the Internet?

[B]

Needles.

[A]

They move the needles.

[D]

Sorry. Y live in LA LA land.

[B]

They move the needles.

[D]

I don't Live.

[C]

I live in the real world.

[D]

This is put out in the Internet. And this makes a lot of money. Cuz of the Internet. It moves the needles. Enough with the Internet. Enough with the Internet. You can't say the Internet. I can say opinions all day. All these people, they're the people that purchasing the product. Some of it. I mean. So let's, let's settle down a little bit.

[B]

That's not true, bro. He's right.

[A]

He's right.

[B]

Yeah, but I don't think Internet opinions are enough to sway your album sales. You can't say fucking the Internet.

[D]

This is what I'll say. Cause I honestly think y' all are competing the claims. I mean, like, I think you're right. We can't pretend the Internet doesn't matter for music in terms of its influence. That's of course true. But I don't think we have to be prisoner to it either. I mean, like when Drake was at his worst. I'm talking about when everyone was kicking him, when he. Everybody. He was like a laughingstock. You still went outside in real life and heard Drake music all over the world constantly.

[C]

And in my house and at parties and in the car and in the grocery store.

[D]

Right. And that doesn't mean. And that doesn't mean matter. I'm with you. I'm just saying it don't got right.

[A]

They both right. Yeah, Internet matters. But when it comes time to listen to music and figure out what you think about music, the Internet shouldn't matter that way.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Speaking to it. Speaking in the ideal. Ideal speaking. Because a lot of musician, a lot of today a lot of people take it off music, my movies, video games, anything.

[D]

TV shows.

[B]

They're waiting to be told how we feel about this.

[D]

That is true.

[B]

There are a lot of people today that are literally waiting to be told you like this.

[D]

That is 100 true. But it's also a real. A real world. Another word outside the Internet that also matters a lot. And I'm just saying sometimes they're not the same thing. They don't always mean they're not the same thing.

[B]

They're not also getting bigger.

[C]

The people that go to the Internet to get validation. Validation or whatever, make their decisions for them, are not necessarily going to the comment section to figure out where they should think.

[B]

I ain't saying the comic. I said nothing about the comment section.

[C]

That's what I'm saying about the Internet.

[B]

I'm not talking about the.

[C]

The comment section. The tweets is minimally important compared to people whose opinions May matter. People who have logical opinions, logical breakdowns, who listen to music, who have a worldly opinion.

[D]

Like, you see how we just.

[A]

Well, let me. Now will you see how I just big up? Yeah, I'll talk it right to you after. You see how I just bigged up Kehlani for, like, the writers. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what it is. It's like we expect Drake now to get with.

[D]

To.

[A]

To get with pros, the professionals.

[B]

Now you about to get the world some good when you're with the professionals and you're talented.

[A]

That part is. Yeah, you with Jimmy Jam.

[B]

They not letting. It ain't no bullshit coming out of this.

[A]

That part no might come. But guess what? They wasn't trying to do it. They was having a stern music genius think tank and they put something out and you didn't like it. That's cool. But in terms of fucking them doing that. And now we going to the. I will never be that. I will never be the person to let.

[B]

But what we say. Well, what I'm saying.

[A]

Fan fear. Sway what I cause everybody.

[B]

I think that number, that person like you that you speak to, that number's getting smaller by the day. That's what I'm saying. More people are becoming sheep.

[A]

Less is more niggas. Plenty of us.

[B]

Nah, I get that.

[A]

That line is a line for a reason. To even acknowledge that the other side is growing has no impact on the one that its power is internal. That number could keep growing. Guess what? If a song come out, I have the ability. Ability to do something with my ears that other people don't, of course. But.

[B]

But that. That might matter just to you. But now to the success of my product. Not saying we know Drake's gonna do numbers, but I'm talking about to the reception of my product. Overall, the. The perception of my product. Then the other side matters. Why do you think people get mad at you?

[C]

But you let 10 Joe. You let 10 Joe buttons or whoever that have opinions that people give a fuck about say, this album is great. The comment section can say whatever the fuck they want to.

[B]

And back to my point, that's the point I was to.

[D]

About.

[B]

About to make. Why do you think people get so mad at you?

[A]

I do a lot of dick.

[B]

No, because your voice is so strong in this game that if you came in and said X, Y and Z about somebody's project, it could sway somebody else's opinion. It should not sway somebody else's opinion. But if you go into listening to the project with biased ears, Already, to Mark's point, I didn't want to read the reviews about the Michael Jackson because I didn't want it to influence my decision in today's society. Society. When you. Before you open the album and everybody in Twitter is killing that shit. Now you looking at the album with a negative connotation already to think that this is gonna be trash you're looking for. That's real life, bro.

[D]

That's real.

[A]

Okay? And I'm sure that. That that point is really important to whoever it's important to. And I don't want to be dismissive of it, but on Drake album time, I'm not thinking about these people.

[C]

I'm not going to Twitter.

[B]

Yeah, but y' all are my. We.

[A]

We.

[B]

I'm not gonna say y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

It's we because we all behave that way. We all. Yeah, we are y'.

[A]

All. I don't care is all I keep saying. Got it. When the Drake album comes.

[B]

But you know who might care?

[A]

Who?

[B]

Drake.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Good fan.

[B]

That's what I'm talking about. That shit affects the artist. Yeah, that. That might. My album ain't even getting a fair shake. Not because it's not good, because y' all are mad at a battle that happened before that is it that that would affect the artist.

[A]

It's not your album anymore. Once it's out, fam.

[B]

This still my baby. I put this out. I put blood, sweat, and tears into this shit. If y' all listened and just didn't

[A]

like it, it's released to the world. It is the world to do whatever they. That's how art goes.

[B]

I understand that sounds.

[A]

He should have been spending the last however much time creating this album locked in a vault cellar somewhere. So you talking about. He read what the fans had to say once it came out. I don't care what fans got to say once it came out. What were you doing when you were making it? Reading comics.

[B]

You think niggas don't care what people think about the album when they drop it?

[A]

You really believe I just want a good Drake? I don't even know what we're talking about right now.

[B]

I'm asking a question.

[D]

I'm asking.

[B]

Answer that question. Do you think the artist that locked away and built their album when they release it to the world, you think they don't care what the. What the talk is about the album?

[C]

Of course they do.

[B]

No, because he just said if I was locked in. You think I was reading the comments? I don't. Once it's released to the world, it's released to the world.

[C]

But we're talking about. He's talking about the creation time, not the release time.

[B]

I'm talking about the noise around my release or me being looked at a certain way can affect how my album is received by the public. And I care about that.

[A]

Did that affect how it was created?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Of course not.

[D]

You also have to remember, Joe is on TDE payroll. So I've been suspecting it for a long time. I even floated the rumor myself on different, you know, different sites under different names, but I forgot about. I got confirmation of this.

[A]

I got confirmation of this.

[D]

Yes. Two days, some information came out from rapper Daylight. Is that right?

[A]

Rapper Daylight. You can just say Daylight. People in the culture don't just say Daylight. It's not the doctor.

[D]

I'm reporting now.

[C]

The doctor.

[A]

It's just Dr.

[B]

Buddy.

[D]

I'm reporting, sir.

[A]

Sorry.

[D]

Rapper Daylight confirms Joe Button has been compromised by TDE Paola. And it's confirmed here because they have Daylight writing a sentence that says this. Drake has act as his main promo guy. Guy Dot has Joe Button. I'm telling you now, start pushing it because we about to make a super, super wave. Start letting people know this is the next wave of people. So I think it's important, Joe, just for transparency, especially in this conversation, that you own your TDE connections.

[A]

When I find that little motherfucker behind that Academics TV page, I got somebody that I'm gonna send to talk to him. I'll tell you that much. God damn it. Just a quick little talk.

[D]

About what? Revealing the behind the scenes ongoings of you and replacement.

[A]

Yeah, basically about health and wellness. About health and wellness.

[B]

That nigga get a copy of that.

[D]

How to stay healthy and well.

[B]

They get a copy of that cancer check.

[A]

How to stay healthy and well. Yo, I am not being paid by tde. I have never been paid by tde. I've never been paid by any artist.

[D]

Artist.

[A]

I can't be bought. That's what makes me so different from y' all who shake ass for the little.

[B]

Yeah, maybe not.

[A]

We get a little barter. I get calls every week from record labels offering to pay me a lot of money to talk about that I. I don't care about or probably just want to talk about for free, but in my own way that I want to talk about it. Don't pay me to big some shit up that I'm not going to big up. So I'm not going. No, paying me is a mistake.

[B]

You ever got the call to not talk about Something.

[A]

That's the threat for money? No, that's the threat. That ain't the call.

[D]

That's the health and wellness.

[A]

Health and wellness. Health and wellness.

[B]

The reverse spa.

[A]

Yeah, but. But no, no, I. I didn't. I didn't think that Daylight was saying I had been paid, But I understand what he was trying to do.

[D]

He said he's cool with them. I took it.

[A]

He's saying that. That my reporting is favorable to T. TDE and it has been while he was fucking kicking ass. Right.

[D]

He's doing favorable shit, right?

[A]

Yeah. Truth of the matter, I. I wanted to see all three of the big three fail a little bit. Kendrick just didn't at the end.

[B]

He went up.

[A]

He went up. I'd like to see him all pegged down a notch and get some humble pie. Yeah, it didn't work at all. And I called him before the battle. I said, after this battle, somebody's gonna make us look at somebody different.

[B]

You said that?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't know he was Gonna hit the 2 for 1 special on it and make us look at both these niggas different. But that's water under the bridge for me. If this Drake shit come out and it's sounding like what we know, it has the potential to sound like I'm gonna be the first one to come in here and big that nigga up on his process and overcoming hardship with one of the tougher years to have in hip hop. I'm be the first person to come in and say that.

[B]

I want to ask you said if it come out sounding like we know it could sound like.

[A]

Right? Yeah. Like it has the potential to sound like if he went in and got in his bag.

[B]

When's the last time Drake sounded like that?

[A]

For me? For me? Well, no, I can't say that. Let me not. Let me. Let me not lie anymore. He found some in his bag on the party album.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I wasn't a fan of, but okay.

[A]

In my opinion. I also think he found some of his bag on her loss. I mean, the 21 Savage.

[B]

Okay. Solo Drake, though.

[A]

Solo Drake has been a while for me. I'm on record.

[D]

Years for you?

[B]

It's been. It's been 10 years for me.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just noticed that because I saw a post that views is 10 years old now.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

To not find it at all.

[B]

Not sounding like the Drake that I know. It sounded like I've been trying to. Again, for me, it started at more life where I am not making cohesive albums anymore. I'm Making a collection of songs. And I thought that was why he caught More Life, a playlist. And they all kind of sounded playlisty.

[C]

I loved More Life.

[B]

I didn't. I didn't like More Life.

[C]

I love More Life.

[B]

And Drake's had shit on there. But I'm saying before, where I press play and I like 85, 90% of this, it, It. It stopped at views for me.

[A]

And just to be clear, like, again, if the Drake music is fire, I'm coming in here to say it's all the way fire. But I don't. I don't think. I don't feel like I can no longer comfortably pay wall the episode. Like, I don't feel like the state of Drake is that for me to today. This one might be. I don't think so. I don't feel like that.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. But all of that.

[A]

I don't feel like that.

[B]

But you're right. I agree with that. But all of that speaks to public perception.

[A]

I'm hurt about that public perception and

[B]

how far he's fallen based on public perception. Like, he was so high at one point that anything Drake related was something that you could put behind a paywall and sell individually and make a million dollars. And right now, he's not that in the public interest anymore to where it even moves the needle financially for you.

[A]

Well,

[B]

I totally disagree with that.

[C]

Yeah, I disagree with that.

[B]

And it ain't even got nothing to do with where Drake is. It's just their. Their relationship. They want to hear what Joe got to say about Drake. No matter what pay for it. I. We will agree to disagree on that.

[D]

Yeah, word Friday too.

[A]

And tax month just hit. I've been popped for a few months now. I ain't gonna lie. Actually, I didn't paywall on that episode. I do such a bad job trying to sound sincere about things I'm not sincere about. I might paywall that episode. So don't be. Don't be shocked.

[D]

On some other Drake news. Y' all heard about the lawsuit? Drake, Aiden Roy academics and Stake, the gambling website app.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

This one's actually filed in Jersey.

[D]

Break it down.

[B]

It's kind of the same thing with the other lawsuits that have been filed. Someone files a suit claiming that. Well, one, that Drake academics and Aiden Ross are not disclosing that they have the deal with Stake. Like, it's basically saying y' all are not gambling y' all money. So y' all are leading the people on to believe that y' all are winning all this money. Y' all are playing the risk yourself and you're not. So then people partake into it and then they lose.

[A]

So.

[B]

So. But yeah, it's. It's just. I think this is like the fourth or fifth one filed in the country is different states where people come together. Filing the lawsuit is so stupid. And naming everybody, it's dumb.

[D]

Tell me why stupid? I don't disagree. I just don't understand.

[B]

When I see Anthony Edwards on a Sprite commercial, do I assume he's drinking Sprite or has he just had a contract with Sprite? Like, I just. Nobody's leading you on to believe that they're making a shit ton of money. Gambling is gambling. Risking your money is risking your money. So even if this person puts up that I made 77 zillion dollars last month, they might have taken a risk at making 77 zillion dollars. That don't mean that your results are gonna be what their results are.

[D]

It's the job.

[A]

It's a good.

[C]

The law.

[B]

I know, but I think it's dumb.

[D]

You just give the laws.

[B]

I think it's stupid because again, it's nothing more than an ad. Like, if we see

[A]

exist. Yeah. The law says you have to disclose when it is an ad and then free reign. Go do what you want. Right, That's. But if you're not saying it's an ad and you are misleading people, then that is. It's a big deal.

[B]

See, that's my point. Like, you don't see it as misleading. Yeah, I don't see it as misleading.

[D]

I see. I could be a little misleading.

[A]

I watch academics do. I watch him do hours of commentary about hip hop in front of a steak screen in front of a steak poker table, pretending to. I don't know if it's pretending, but seeming like he's gambling his money. You can't do that.

[D]

Is it confirmed that he's not gambling his money?

[A]

I don't know any of that. But that's for their investigation. But that's why they saying we've investigated. Nobody's saying that they're connected to this company. So if we find out that there's a link somewhere and that they giving you money to do certain things, you're done. So, I mean, I think that makes

[C]

all the sense in the world.

[B]

But you're saying a steak table and a steak. Little logo at the bottom of the screen and all of that other stuff that doesn't say advertisement dollars or that doesn't say this is an ad. Yeah, but now when you turn around because what they're speaking to, to it is when they turn around and post their slips. And it's like, I wagered this amount.

[A]

Yes, I won this.

[B]

But if you didn't really wager that amount because you're. You're giving. They might have got promo funds or whatever the case may be, it's still a wager that they say that's illegal. That has to be disclosed.

[A]

There are agencies in place.

[B]

No, I'm saying legality all the time don't make sense for me. So I still think it's stupid. Even though it is the law, it's still stupid to me.

[D]

Like, here's why I think it could matter. I'm just thinking this through. Cause I haven't thought it through before because I didn't notice it was a law. Like if, let's say they gave me $1000 in promo funds and I lost, and I made $100 bets and I lost nine of them. And then I promote the 101, I could say, look, I made money. But if an actual gambler were to do the exact same thing, they lost money, they would lose money. So in some ways I'm misrepresenting my results. Which is cool to do. If people know. Know it's an ad because like you said, then it's a sprite thing.

[B]

But I see, I look at it differently. I look at it like on this one ticket, I hit. And that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, yo, but it wasn't your money. Yeah, I'm saying he has zero point. I'm going to his point.

[A]

He said part. That's part of his point.

[B]

His point was if they gave you a thousand promo dollars and you lost 900 of them and you hit on 100 of them, you're not showing the other 900 that you lost.

[D]

But it's still. You didn't money though. Ish.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Playing with house money.

[D]

They're trying to prevent people from getting suckered into thinking that these high stakes games of chance are actually more sure than they are. Because it's a consumer protection. I'm inclined to agree with you that I understand the logic of it. But I just think to your point and your point, like if I got

[B]

the ad and the table and all

[D]

this other shit, at some point we gotta trust the consumer. Well.

[A]

And it's keeping the company in check. It's protecting consumers, but it's also keeping the company in check. It has to to be for this rules. Y' all can't just go. Cause y' all have all the money in the world. Take $20 billion, spread it out amongst people to make. And then those people would influence lead people to believe that they just out here doing all this with state state. 20 million. You cannot do that. You cannot do that as a company.

[B]

We'll have a conversation off mike.

[A]

But take that, listeners. Hey, when this episode ends, some riveting shit between me and this is gonna get dumped and talked about enacted Kitchen.

[D]

Take that. And then I'm going to repeat it on Patreon.

[A]

All right, what else? What else?

[B]

What else?

[A]

Oh, Mark, you left, but. Mark, you left, but there was another lawsuit we wanted to talk about.

[B]

Yeah, he ran.

[C]

We wanted to talk about this timely exit.

[A]

Yeah, this Brian McKnight lawsuit, right?

[D]

That's his lawyer that just called talking about that on the p. You all right, Mark? Your lawyer till you stop to talk.

[B]

That's crazy. He brought yours up and dipped off.

[A]

Where's the cuz? He put it in the group chat. He put it right in the group chat, man. Come on. Let's find this Mark Brian McKnight lawsuit that he's named in Y. Mark went to the bathroom to have his one last cry. They on your ass. I hope that little interview you did was worth it, boy. I hope them Patreon subs went up.

[B]

He coming for all of that.

[A]

But Brian McKnight me told told Mark he was coming for him too. And Mark still came in here with a little smug attitude ego. It's true. Brian, I'm on your side. If you're listening, you send it to me. All right, here we go. Listen to some beautiful sounds. All right, here we go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on.

[B]

Try to run out now.

[A]

Limp now says his ex wife and one of his sons, some bloggers and a newspaper rolled out a coordinated assault on his reputation to make money from malicious character assassination. At least according to a new lawsuit. The legendary singer filed a lawsuit claiming he's the victim of a shockingly dishonest and sensational but false narrative alleging he abandoned his kids and refused to to tell his dying son Nico he loved him. In that lawsuit obtained. Obtained by Harvey, of course. Brian says the false narrative was cooked up by his ex wife, Julie McKnight. And he says it's been peddled by his son, Brian Jr. Bloggers Mark Lamont Hill and Tasha K. And the New York Post. In addition to the alleged defamatory claims about his last moments with Nico, Brian also claims Tasha K. And Mark Lamont. I just added his name. That one falsely went online and claimed he was a cheater who had sex with a minor. Oh, that's nasty. Why you say that? Mark? Mark, I love that song.

[D]

It's such a great vocal.

[B]

Now stay on that side. Don't like that song no more. Oh, I love this.

[D]

I still listen to Brian B. Knight music, man. The acapella version of this. The live version of the piano. Beautiful. Dude, man, I'm sorry. I'm so regretful that he hates me. I can't even get him to perform or nothing.

[A]

Mark, you do mad shit to make people hate you and then be shocked when they hate you.

[D]

I'm not shocked. First of all, Brian McKnight started this, but not me.

[A]

But what is the great Michelle Obama quote? When they go low, I go to hell. How does he shame Mark when he

[D]

went on that podcast with Antoine Jameson and said, Antoine Jones. What's his name?

[A]

Anton Daniels.

[D]

I'm sorry. No disrespect to the brother.

[A]

Are you doing it again?

[D]

No, go ahead. I'm bad with names.

[A]

Yo, this nigga's an asshole when he

[D]

opens your fucking mouth, yo.

[A]

Cause some people out there think you dodged that one.

[D]

Dodge it how?

[A]

I don't know. I'm not one of those people.

[D]

How do you dodge it? I don't have no beef with Anton Daniels. That's a dodge. You mean to make up some beef, make up something.

[B]

That's a dodge right there.

[A]

He's saying it's a dodge. Anton was seemingly bringing the smoke to your front door and inviting you to debate.

[D]

He didn't invite me to debate.

[A]

He definitely invited me to debate.

[D]

He did not invite me to debate. In fact, I reached out and said I would debate, and he said, well,

[B]

you said you ain't know who he was. And he started.

[D]

Because I didn't. Because I didn't.

[B]

Gotcha.

[D]

I didn't know who he was, but he's.

[B]

I'm not. And you know, you my man. I'm not trying to be funny.

[A]

Get that nigga back for that flat earth shit. Nigga.

[D]

No, he's. He showed it to somebody on my team that reached out to me. Bring it full circle. Which they did. But I didn't.

[E]

I don't.

[D]

If you. If you don't, if you have a team. You understand? You understand this? I do. You reach out for guests. We reach out for guests all the time. The year earlier, they said. I said I wanted to be a black Republican, and they gave me a list of black Republicans, and they said they tried to Call.

[A]

What me and flip is saying is

[D]

that Me and Flip.

[A]

Yes, me and Flip. One of the possible one.

[D]

And the possible is that I'll turn on you right now. I'm the possible. I turned you up. That was nice.

[A]

I'm the possible.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Are saying that when Anton was looking for you and couldn't find you, he went beat up Corey Holem and then. Then you really wasn't looking to see him no more, but he was still looking for you.

[D]

I. I thought he was. I saluted him on the Cory hul. I thought he stood tall in the Cory hol. I thought Cory Holcomb looked like a clown on that. I thought anti him. I don't got a beef with anti Danes. We don't agree on politically. But also if Anton Daniels and Brian McKnight are having a conversation and Brian McKnight says something, it would be like if you and Flip had a conversation and y' all both said something about me. I'm not talking to the possible. I'm gonna talk to you. See what I'm saying? I mean, you're not gonna talk to me. I mean, no disrespect, but you'd be Brian McKnight in that situation.

[B]

But he said he was. He was. He was.

[D]

But it's all disrespect because it's like

[B]

the name of the replying to something you had already said.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But what was funny is when I went to the audio, it was actually you that said the word asshole. It was funny.

[B]

Bro.

[D]

Bro, you said some slick about me stop your Flip. Flip other ride for you. We can't ride for you more than would you ride for yourself. That was calling you. I called you out your name, the whatever he called you. He donated. I still said n. I'm not talking to that. That's my man Mark. That's ride with you. And you didn't ride.

[A]

That's it.

[D]

You took a back seat. Your backpedal. You moonwalk. Rest in peace, Michael Jackson. You did that. So don't whatever possible. It's possible that you back down. That's good. Get away from this.

[B]

And they said tell enough jokes. One of them going to be One

[D]

of them going, look who you want to attack your men.

[B]

Yo, somebody gave you a donation. You turned it down.

[D]

I didn't turn up. No. I said I'm not. That's my man. I didn't turn on the donation. No, I didn't. That donated $500 on a live stream that I And you gave it back. I did not No, I said no. I. Did you keep the money? Of course I kept the money. Then how did you ride me?

[A]

Because he didn't talk to him.

[D]

There we go.

[B]

Like, I'm not bringing you up.

[D]

Okay, cool.

[B]

The donation. All right, bet. But I'm still not bringing you up. I'm not conversation with you. No, you wouldn't.

[D]

Yes, I would. I would get it back at the end of the month. I would have donated to that children's center you supposed to be building in Trinidad. Oh, yo, shout out. Shout out to St. Paul. Watch your shout out to St. Paul. Trinidad.

[A]

What up?

[D]

All right. But I don't want people to think I'm avoiding the M. Night thing.

[A]

So First Or Anton.

[D]

I answer either of them. So. To the Anti thing. Yeah, he. He. He called me out, I guess. I don't.

[A]

Don't guess why.

[D]

I never listened to it. But I don't have. Shut your ass. You should have shut your ass. No, he probably really did. Do you think you could beat him?

[A]

Can you keep this nigga up or not?

[D]

Let me answer my question. You know, what I'm saying is after he responded, people said, yo, he was talking crazy. I didn't listen to it because there was no point. Like, I. I don't. I don't have a beef.

[A]

And I will you up. It's too much word salad for me. Anti.

[B]

We will be.

[D]

You got a problem with something that

[A]

I'm saying, take it up with Mark,

[D]

yo. Anyway, I. I don't have a.

[A]

And I'm joking, by the way.

[D]

I don't agree with Anti Davis, but I don't have a beef with him. He. He actually was the one who launched that when I didn't even know who he. I wasn't familiar with his work. It wasn't. I was. Yes, it was a diss. In the sense I was clowning a little bit, but in real life, I wasn't familiar with his work. I wasn't being funny. And my team having called him doesn't mean that I was.

[A]

Well, we don't really care about Anton. Shit. We just.

[D]

Then you brought it out.

[A]

We were just antagonizing you.

[D]

And I'm responding now to the Brighton knight part. To the more important part.

[A]

Yeah, see, yeah.

[D]

Cause I saw the headline today. Bribe me night, Sue's Mark on my hill. And I was like, he's not suing

[A]

me and is looking for him.

[D]

But people don't respond to what's actually true. The original article. And I only noticed because People magazine reached out to me to Say, are you gonna respond to the Brian McKnight suit? And I was like, what Brian McKnight suit? And that's when I sent it to y'. All. Which was a mistake, clearly. Thank you for that group chat was clearly a mistake.

[C]

Here's some ammo guys right here.

[D]

But he's suing, as I understand it, his ex wife and his son for definitely information. And he's saying that basically they spread. They got me and Tasha K to spread lies. Now there's other Tasha K about the minor I don't know about. I ain't got nothing to do with me. Has nothing to do with me. I don't know that story. I don't even know the story. But he's not suing me. He's just mentioning basically. He's basically saying I got used. Yeah, I mean I would say he's not going to. I didn't do anything wrong. People have a right to interview people. I interviewed Brian McKnight ex wife and Brian McKnight Jr. The first one.

[A]

And.

[D]

And when I interviewed them, they told their truth. There's a lot of Brady Knight juniors out there. I just don't want to be confused. I, I didn't want there to be any. When he catch you and do you stand by that? You stand by the enemy.

[B]

All that MMA shit better come out.

[D]

No, I'm saying do you stand by now in retrospect, now that he's. Yeah, I stand by. I stand by the interview. I didn't, I didn't go looking for people they asked if they could mar

[A]

was doing shady journalism.

[B]

Of course he was.

[A]

He did it and now he's doing the.

[B]

And ran his patreon up off of.

[D]

It's not shady journalism. Did I think it was gonna get views? Of course. That's why we interviewed certain people. That's why you brought Dr. Umar here, right? Because you thought they give views. You didn't bring him because you didn't think it was gonna get. You didn't do it to educate the public on the African centered perspective. You did it because you thought would get clicks. And that's the same. And so yeah, I interviewed them because I thought we get clicks and we

[B]

had smoke and because I know we got smoke. I'm going to get your, your ex wife and your child.

[D]

That's not what happened. That sounds, that's a great story. And if that is what happened, I would be like, cool. They reached to out to me.

[A]

Mark, you had smoke with Brian McKnight before then. Why are you being up tooth.

[D]

I'm not being up to. I'm saying yes just cuz I, I, I'm assuming what you're saying. I'm not being obtuse, but weird. You're saying I had beef with Bry Knight and so then I interviewed his wife and kids. Right. That's what you're saying. And you're saying I did it because of the.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[D]

And I'm saying yes. I'm not. That's not obtuse. I'm saying yes. You say yes. But it's a lot of words that come with the yes. I'm sorry, you're right. Words. You up sometimes attack me. Yes, I had an issue and I interviewed him. We knew you had smoke, cuz you said you had smoke with him up here. You, you were the only disagreeing with that. My man stated that he wanted a to come perform at his wedding. You expressed yourself how you felt, how he was a piece of. That is not what happened. That is not what happened. You said he was a piece of m. You're telling a whole different story. That's not true. You didn't say he was a piece of. That's okay. This is what y' all do. You say two things that aren't true, and then when I say I disagree with one of them, you keep repeating the second thing that I do agree with. And then people go, why Mark keeps saying he agrees with everybody even though he's disagreeing. No, I'm disagreeing with the first part. Okay, if that happens, he didn't say I want Brian McKnight at my wedding. I said he's a piece of shit. There was a story about Brian McKnight suing his wife. Yes, that's what we were talking about. But also he talked about one of them at his wedding that same day. How is that relevant when I'm saying that's how the conversation came up? Mar. And listen to me. Listen to what I'm saying. That is not how the conversation came up. I discussed Brian McKnight and his situation with his family when we as a team had a conversation about the story of Brian McKnight suing his family.

[A]

So you've never had pre existing smoke with Brian McKnight before then?

[D]

Other than no before then? No.

[A]

Got it.

[D]

I was just a fan of the music like y'. All. And in fact, if you remember, when you said you want him as well, I said he'd be a great person. I would want that too. When, when the conversation came about the shit with his wife. And we all said, that's kind of fucked up.

[A]

But didn't Brian McKnight reach out to you?

[D]

No. He said he reached out to you and you ignored him. But it turned out he was reaching out to the fan page. He never reached out to me.

[A]

If he had hit me. Nigga, I had a kick mark backing with you, Brian.

[D]

That's a fact. That's a fact.

[A]

Still hit me.

[D]

He's still open, Brian.

[A]

On, God.

[D]

So anyway, we all talked about it, and then I said that one of us said he was an asshole. I actually didn't use the word. I think it was actually you to say, if not in the.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

I'm not saying I said it was on video. It. No, let him fit it. No, no, we doing that. Let him. Let. This didn't say anything wrong. I'm saying the word came out. I'm not saying. You said Bribie Knight's an asshole.

[A]

That's defamatory. That's defamatory.

[D]

No, it's not.

[A]

You're going in the suit. You're still going in the suit now.

[D]

Anyway, the point is, the conversation came up. Brian mentioned me in his interview with Anton Daniels. That's how the back and forth started. That's how the back and forth started. Yes, I had a criticism of the lawsuit.

[B]

Yeah, you did say. And Brian McKnight is an asshole, though.

[D]

You did say that was after the Anton Daniels thing. Yes, I still think he's an asshole. That's not. He's allowed to be an asshole. And I'm allowed to call him, of course.

[B]

And he allowed to want to see you when he see you.

[D]

And he's welcome to. How about that?

[B]

That's all we saying.

[D]

He's welcome to.

[B]

You might get one last cry.

[D]

Nicole, have you back. Ain't nobody scared of Bradley, Daddy.

[B]

That's what got you in a suit.

[A]

Yeah, he back at it. He's back at it.

[D]

Look, and here's the other thing. Last thing since y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

Why does everything turn everything into fighting? He goes, cause we black men from together.

[B]

Cause you caught him an asshole. He wanna fight you.

[D]

Brian does not wanna fight me. And I don't wanna fight Brian V. Knight.

[B]

Tell him what I'm saying.

[D]

I ain't gotta tell nobody nothing. After I interviewed his wife and kids, which I think was a fair interview, I also reached out to Brian and said I'm open to give you space to respond.

[A]

Oh, you was trying to double down on the Patreon.

[B]

He just interviewed my Ex wife.

[D]

You're welcome to respond.

[B]

You're welcome to come to my platform and express yourself as a journalist.

[D]

I want to be fair opportunity in which I joke about the Patreon. I told him we could talk offline on the phone if there was an issue as well.

[B]

No, no, it's an issue. I want to talk to you.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yo, you done have my ex wife

[A]

and kid up here.

[B]

Now you gonna call me?

[D]

You was gonna double, right?

[B]

Yo, listen, we can get a nice backdrop. What's going be a backdrop?

[A]

So in closing, you're not being sued.

[D]

No, I'm not being sued.

[B]

Story ain't fun no more now I am not being.

[D]

You want me to be sued?

[A]

I'll tell you what, your man get sued. It's not funny when grind hits me.

[D]

It's not funny when your man get sued.

[A]

Let grind hit you.

[C]

Got him?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Cool. Cuz if I get sued for my comments here, I would. I have to say that I was pushed to do this at the behest of my boss. I got to look up at the Joe Button podcast We all go going

[B]

down I wasn't here that day it

[D]

was, it was, it was. I bought a light skin from the

[B]

bank light skinned from the bank. He went crazy.

[A]

Let him go, let him go, let him go.

[D]

I just know the dusty way I'm

[B]

easily legally deemed to be the psychoticon

[D]

straight of your brain is the only way for a shot at mine crafty the matics I make them lay if I'm not inclined to you bait me then be fishing you out bottom line

[B]

whatever design of the boxer I got

[D]

the proper punch it's all in the sports. Before he mowed his way to the

[B]

dotted line Somehow I found it ironic they said it was not a sound if not a rhyme he was told you got his crime hitting no easy

[A]

walk we crawl the learn how to

[D]

climb the greasy talk the meaning just got to shine proceed to dealing with death you leave them without a sign hold up all of my is steady shooters only way they be pointing fingers

[B]

is if they Freddy Krueger train to

[D]

put the work out personal they was heavy movers first time I aired I was telling my let me die I

[B]

was a kid I don't know what

[D]

led me to this way of thinking Only blood and some money you'll get me through this Wish I finished school could have been a student to fix them.

[B]

Smoke blow through his face like you hitting the hookah Thinking wasn't music the

[D]

shot was a movie your body was

[B]

the watch what you say to L Peter? I give you metal where you stand

[D]

like I'm paying the meter. Yo WFL shout out to DJ Mac Crash dummy body last time par me

[C]

and I kind of like the fact that the audio ain't good.

[A]

It gives you the cipher feel.

[B]

I listen to that.

[A]

I thought the bullets was bred out. Laying your Caesar O let's go.

[D]

It's a good feeling.

[A]

Get the better way to stand

[B]

like

[A]

a parking meter I love when can rap that's all it brings you back. Shout out to Corey Guns and shout out to Peter Guns man. And shout out to Rich Dollars man. Yo actually if I go somewhere else, accuse me of being Creep Squad.

[D]

You doing Creep Squad?

[A]

Creep Squad. I'm not doing.

[B]

You are the founder.

[D]

You OG creep.

[B]

Wasn't you Rich Peter Guns.

[A]

Peter Guns your name three and Cisco, right?

[B]

Your name on the llc.

[D]

Oh yes.

[A]

I'm not in the creep skull. Yes you are, bro.

[B]

You got to work on that. You have to own that.

[A]

Don't make me C dollars. I don't want to do. I'm not in.

[C]

You definitely got a T shirt or something.

[B]

You definitely, you definitely Creep Squad, son.

[D]

You definitely creep squad.

[A]

Thanks guys.

[B]

Will you try to run?

[A]

Oh, way to debunk that. Thanks for helping me. Thanks for helping me. Thanks for helping me to get out of that one. All right. What else is important?

[D]

What else is.

[A]

Oh no no, no. Wait, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Your man's your man's your man's your man man's your man's in Europe and

[D]

in the United States from the age of consent is 16 and I did sleep with a 16 year old when I was 30. But when I was 30 I was a very different person. I was a lot younger and I

[A]

was an immature 30 year old.

[D]

Consensual sex actually with a variety of people when there is a strong power

[B]

differential is there is when you're a

[D]

famous man that has the ability to attract.

[B]

Attract women in Europe and in the

[D]

United attract women that I had at

[B]

that time I think involves exploitation.

[A]

I think it is exploitative.

[D]

No, I recognize that my sexual conduct in the past was selfish and I didn't.

[B]

I did not apply enough consideration, barely

[D]

any I suppose really to how that

[A]

sex was affecting other people.

[D]

People who attract women.

[A]

There you have it. That is Russell Bran admitting to sleeping with a 16 year old and giving you some of his thought process.

[C]

Just cuz you've got a British accent and you sound like you're evolving doesn't save you from being a creep ass at all. Like, sorry, bro.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And if you endorse this because he has a British accent and you liked him in the movie yourself, man, that the.

[A]

He's saying me at the age. The legal age.

[B]

The legal age of consent is 16. I slept with a 16 year old nigga. That mean you would have fucked her yesterday if she was 15.

[A]

And that's addressing the point. The legal age of consent.

[B]

No, that be Ice Ice. I stole that from Ice Ice. Like, yo, dawg, if you had to, if your only thing was I fucked her when she was 16. That means at 15 in 364 days, you'll still be. You'll still beat.

[A]

You just waited until it was legal.

[B]

Yeah. You don't look at it as a moral thing. You look at it as, as a legal thing.

[D]

Right?

[B]

So I think it's disgusting. This is disgusting, bro.

[A]

I was looking at this like, I was wondering, like, is this going to work? I think that has to be why he's addressing it. Right.

[C]

Unfortunately, probably will. There's certain people that probably will listen

[A]

to that, like, oh, look, he's reformed.

[C]

He's reformed. He sounds, he acknowledges Russell Brand off.

[B]

You're a creep out of here.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Russell ain't none of your was fire like that anyway.

[A]

Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

[D]

Slow down.

[A]

Stop.

[D]

No, no, no. I mean, but what Russell GR Was

[A]

in for getting sa.

[B]

Sa Marshall. Yeah.

[A]

Which is a classic.

[B]

Yes. But it ain't he funny.

[A]

He. He's.

[D]

He's funny.

[B]

He had his moments. He ain't in nothing. He ain't up there to where we could just forgive that.

[D]

Not that anybody is. But even if you up there, we don't forget. Yeah. We don't forgive it regardless. But I give.

[B]

But I'm just saying, saying like you're not.

[D]

He's not so good. You're conflicted.

[B]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[A]

I'm saying when you saw him on Forgetting Sarah Marshall, you thought, there's somebody that's on his way.

[B]

Yo, he was on his way. He might not view him like that. White America was on his dick.

[D]

At one point I thought he was

[B]

that at one point white America was on his.

[A]

I don't know no other movies he was in.

[B]

But get him to the Greek too. If I'm not mistaken, he was in

[A]

something else that people like.

[B]

But that was all right. Well, he was. He was on. On his way.

[D]

Every one point in time, every time I see him, he's just been an all right.

[A]

All of y' all get one undo from somebody that is admonished from society for their behavioral patterns. Oh, you get one undo.

[D]

Stop. I already know what I'm going say.

[B]

You already know where I'm going.

[A]

Give it to me, Chris Brown.

[B]

That's the one undo.

[A]

He chilling. You would undo. All right. Yes, Mark.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Louis ck.

[A]

Yeah. I think mom might be a white guy too.

[B]

Yo, but when you say undo, what do you mean? Like, he could be welcome back into society?

[D]

No, like, you did take off the grievance.

[B]

We take it there.

[A]

We removed the grievance.

[B]

They never did.

[D]

It didn't happen.

[A]

Yeah, never did.

[B]

Never happened. No, there's too many of those.

[D]

That ain't one.

[A]

Get rid of one. If I'm just going pure. Really off talent, that Kevin Spacey.

[C]

Kevin Spacey, Yeah.

[D]

Oh, that's a good one.

[B]

Kevin Spacey over R. Kelly again.

[C]

Not one isolated incident. It gets a little tricky because I

[D]

don't know if you mean like one incident or one character flying to take the character floor completely. It would be. It would be. For me, it would have been cows. I would have said that. Yeah. Kevin space. And then. But Kevin. No, but Kevin space. I thought about that as well.

[B]

Kevin space, huh? Yes. I don't give a fuck about Kevin Spacey, bro.

[A]

Don't make it seem like I don't care about him.

[B]

No, I'm not saying you. I'm saying change his life.

[D]

Homeless and like that.

[A]

He's one of the more talented people that they got out of here.

[D]

And R. Kelly, See, my calculation was different. I didn't think about the person whose art I cared about the most. I cared about the person who I thought did the worst.

[C]

Oh. I was thinking someone who didn't do that bad of a. So shouldn't.

[D]

Right.

[C]

That's why I said L. No, it makes sense.

[D]

I get it. That's what said. Neither's wrong. It was. I think I was just approaching it a different way. That's why I was thinking, like, who did the worst? So we could undo that.

[B]

Another one. I'll go Kanye.

[D]

Oh, that's it. Yeah. By that. The other logic.

[B]

By that. Which. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Also a lot of things, but. Yeah, but nothing. But it's all the same talking, not actually doing.

[A]

Come on, let me get us off this creepy. Did you guys see. Did you guys see the. The. Because, you know, we had the talk about the Mary. The Mary discussion in the Burger King commercial. Yeah. Then they went and found some of her other commercials.

[B]

She got other.

[D]

I did not know that.

[A]

Did. Did y' all see the commercial? When? During the election. When she sat down with Hillary Clinton?

[B]

No.

[D]

Is it a gun? Is it a knife? Is it a wallet? AI, this is your life. It ain't no secret. It ain't no secret. No secret, friend. You can get killed just for living in.

[B]

That's ar, man.

[D]

You're American.

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

It's not real, is it?

[B]

No, it's not real.

[D]

Is it a gun?

[A]

Hell no.

[D]

Is it a knife?

[B]

I ain't doing this.

[D]

Is it a wallet? This is your life. It ain't no secret. It ain't no secret.

[A]

Cuz they said this one is obviously a lot worse than the chicken wrap commercial.

[B]

I'm not rolling.

[D]

It's real.

[A]

You don't remember that?

[B]

No.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Article. Yeah.

[A]

Yes, it's real.

[D]

The headline of USA Today in May, in September 2016, Mary J. Blige is singing interview with Hillary Clinton is beyond awkward. Yeah, that's. That's a good way to put it. It also just sounded terrible. Oh my God, Mary.

[A]

And we ain't got to talk about it but boy, the Internet is kicking him agrees ass.

[C]

Oh, for real.

[A]

I ain't talk about it.

[C]

I missed that one. That's not. My Internet algorithm was a little more ignorant, I think.

[D]

What's the kind of we in our talk about it. But what's the theme of the criticism they're saying?

[B]

I don't know if I agree with

[A]

it, but just tell them what the the be.

[B]

Actually I actually, actually I disagree with it.

[D]

What are they saying?

[A]

Put your mic close is please.

[B]

They're basically saying that she using black people on her press run and she don't really commune with black people.

[A]

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they, they don't. No, that what they saying after press run. Shit. They're. They're, they're on her for actually I can find it but they're on her her for that whole women.

[B]

Oh, that was over 1.

[A]

Women in the work women are failing because they're staying at home and they need to get out and get out

[B]

back into the workplace and they miss and they misconstrue. She didn't say they're failing because of that. She's saying that any women that are working remotely from home are doing themselves a disservice because they're not.

[E]

I'm still unclear if that's how I pronounce the last name, but it's the shoe fit. I'm Dr. Sarah or I'm the co founder and CEO of Movita Health and I'm a Latina entrepreneur. And here are my takeaways about Emma Greed. I'll do a shit sandwich here. I love that she is a black female entrepreneur who's an immigrant to the US and is amassing a fortune and growing huge companies.

[B]

She is everywhere.

[E]

So good on her for a great PR strategy. Now the shit part, what I think is missing from all of these clips that I'm seeing is context and acknowledgement of privilege. And I think what's getting people so amped up is the fact that it sounds like, like right wing, pick yourself up by the bootstraps, just go into the office and perform and you will succeed, which is just not the case. And specifically, I think people that feel really betrayed by this are black women. So yes, apparently she grew up poor, but she is drop dead gorgeous. She also goes on to marry a white European male who grew up privileged and had already made a name.

[A]

This lady's just picking her apart. But the beef is points are being

[E]

made here, but financial security and connections. Then she goes on to found, yes, multi billion dollar companies and that does require hard work. But she co founded them with Kardashians, which means she had the proximity to Kardashians to say, hey, let's go into business together. And without the Kardashians in the equation, sure, she would have been successful, but I don't know. Multi billion dollar valuation successful. Just saying. And also she is an immigrant, but a British immigrant. And let's be real, American, fall for a British accent. They think that whatever comes out British accent is brilliant.

[C]

I just said that.

[E]

What I want is just some acknowledgment of like, yes, I'm a very hard worker, but I have these advantages. Acknowledge your privilege. Don't pretend it was on you cut her off.

[A]

She gave me a headache.

[B]

They killing her for that.

[A]

They're killing her for like they're, they're

[B]

in line with what Shorty saying for what?

[A]

No, she's getting into the whys of it, but it was, was to get back into the workplace, go to work, stop working from home. Yes, she got killed for that.

[C]

I don't agree with none of this and I'm not caping for her, but like she got next to the Kardashians. I don't know how, but it sounds like because she was good at what she did. And yes, they, without her, she might not have made a billion dollars. You don't just end up next to people in like It's a. It's a cop out for people.

[B]

The way she talked and told her story up here about how I said, I started off over here, then I learned this, and I look like before my way through the business, before I ever met a Kardashian, I sold my first company for 24, $26 million when I was in my 20s, before I ever met a Kardashian. So all of that other shit that they talking about is a bunch of ifs.

[A]

Well, before she met a Kardashian, her husband was who. He was in the same field that she eventually went on to sell companies in.

[B]

I sold my company.

[A]

She. That it was.

[B]

Again, I don't want to do.

[A]

I don't want to get.

[B]

And that's what makes it sound stupid. We're not even arguing the crux of

[A]

the points deal, which is you cannot tell black women that they are not succeeding in the workforce because they want to work from home.

[B]

She didn't say that.

[A]

If y' all don't hear.

[B]

She didn't say that. That's the problem. She said that it is a detriment when they are working from home because you are not. Not being seen in the office. And if you are not being seen in the office, then in her opinion, that that's a detriment to you rising all the way up the corporate ladder.

[A]

Do you see how that could offend people?

[B]

That don't mean. Especially from somebody. I can see how it'll be offensive, but it's natural.

[A]

But it's not true. You don't just go to work, do your job, nobody. Do your job at work, and that's how you climb up.

[B]

Nobody. That's not what she said.

[A]

We can't. Me and you can't keep saying this. If you're gonna say that's not what she said. Let's pull up what she said and argue about what she said.

[B]

That's cool because she said this. We could do that. She didn't say, let's find what she

[A]

said and argue about that. I don't want to argue about. She said that. She didn't say that because she said these things.

[B]

You are misquoting the lady, bro.

[A]

So let's find the.

[D]

Real quick. I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling it up.

[A]

But. But based off what was said, I could see how black women specifically would be offended at that. There's mad other things in the workplace that. That prevent black women from climbing up the corporate ladder. Of course it's not. Black women are Just lazy and want to stay. Stay at home.

[D]

She called it. Just find the suicide.

[A]

Don't make phases. Just find the quote so we can go over it.

[B]

He looking it up. But that's the, that's the misquote shit that I have you fucked up and painting your picture. Your words like they evil words. Nobody. She never said black women are lazy and none of that shit. That is somebody misinterpretation of what she said. And then it catches wind and somebody writes it and then some podcaster put it out or some columnist puts it out and. And now they looking at the girl like she evil and she's saying all this mean. That's not what she said.

[C]

I think I might have it.

[D]

You have the full okay. Because I keep saying just like I

[C]

got a minute, okay.

[A]

Oh, I was drunk. And what I think is that work

[D]

from home culture is a career killer for women. And let me explain to you why.

[E]

Remembering that I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

[C]

This is on Kiki Palmer, by the way.

[D]

Hundreds and hundreds of women that work for me.

[E]

Now what is happening is that we

[B]

talk about all of this sort of

[D]

upside of zoom culture, but none of

[E]

the rigidity of it and no one

[D]

will really tell you, but careers require proximity and visibility. You want a pay rise, you want the next promotion, you want the big

[A]

corner office, guess what?

[D]

You need to be there. You might not want to hear it

[A]

because it might be comfortable in your living room, but the facts are the facts.

[D]

And I'm not here to sugarcoat information or to load women so you almost

[E]

feel like it's a way to also.

[B]

I don't want to say push us out, but it's almost slowly a way to be like you're not needed or you don't really. It's not.

[D]

There's no urgency because you're away.

[A]

It's eroding the potential for women to be successful.

[D]

Interesting period.

[B]

Not one time does she call anybody lazy. And she didn't say black women. She's saying women. She's one in general to women that in a good old boys club it's easy to be overlooked. If you home, if you in these offices and you rubbing shoulders and you making moves and your voice is heard and you in the boardrooms and you being loud and you being visible, it's harder for them to overlook you. If you are being visible. Somebody's taking what she said and add mad negative connotation to what she said. In my opinion, to me it's.

[D]

If I give her the Most generous, Reid.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Which is that she's just trying to say, hey, look, there's a thing here that will help you be more successful. I just think there's a blind spot in the communication of it. Because I do think when you talk about. Because I think she's right. I mean, if you're home, it's easier to be ignored from home. I don't disagree with that. I think the question is, why are women home? And if you don't acknowledge that. And we talk about this up here all the time, like when we talk about people selling drugs. Right. Or whatever, we always say, yeah, but why is this person selling drugs? Because they only got a cucumber in their refrigerator. They got all these situations. So it's easy to say, don't sell drugs. The hard part is like, why are you selling drugs? We don't think about the circumstances that get them there. What are the circumstances that have women working from home? But also when women get to work, what are the things that make them still, you know, face challenges in being successful? Because it's not like if women come to work, patriarchy is not going to exist. Pay differentials aren't going to exist. Coming to work isn't the antidote.

[A]

That's the backlash.

[D]

Excuse me.

[B]

I understand. Understand that. But that's not what. All of these things. That helps makes it harder for you. Yeah, that's it. With all these things we gotta overcome and all of this adversity, like the. The. The pay scale differential, the patriarchy, the white good old boys club with all of these obstacles, you think staying at home is going to make it easier for you? No, it's there by making it harder for you to get overlooked for the proper promotion or for. For the other stuff because you're not physically in the workplace rubbing shoulders and demanding to be seen.

[D]

I see how that could be harder.

[B]

Like, yo, dog, we take this and start spinning it, and then this part will add something to it. This person will add something to it. We just played it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So Antoine is not making this up. That's not from my.

[A]

We just hearing different things from it.

[B]

Yeah. From my perspective, that's not what she's saying at all.

[A]

I see how people could hear that and be offended.

[D]

And that's not even a question for me. And that's why that first woman you played to me matters. Even though I don't. I don't love non black people. Telling black people to acknowledge their privilege, that always makes you a little uneasy.

[A]

Well, there's tons of millions of black people.

[D]

I know there's other examples of it too. I'm with you. I'm with you. But I do think the person saying it, the messenger matters, you know. And if somebody who is unusually attractive from what I hear, I don't see beauty. Someone who has tons of money, someone who's well connected, has all these resources and isn't from here. So they can't say, well, I can relate. I came up from this place too. Even though she came from the slums

[A]

of east London and is married to somebody super successful.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. It's hard for that person to hear that person say, well, just if you do this extra thing, you'll be successful. Yeah. Cause it comes, it comes.

[A]

It's all put.

[D]

They don't look at it as inspirational. Why she did. She said if you do this thing, you'll be more successful. If you come into the office, you'll be more successful. What I'm asking you about, I'm bringing her generously. I don't think she had bad intention. I'm just like I said, I just think the messenger does affect how people hurt. Why do people not look at it

[B]

as inspirational separation or why do we put the differentiation? So, so let me ask you this.

[A]

She.

[B]

She was up here how. She's 42, I think she said she was married 27 maybe.

[C]

So.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. She said she was married 27, 17 years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Pardon me. So that means she was already ass kicking in business before she got married.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

One. I don't know how much her husband had when he walked into that marriage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know that.

[C]

Isn't it also a little.

[D]

He was.

[C]

Isn't it also a little bit.

[D]

I'm telling you, he was him.

[A]

I'm telling you.

[C]

A little bit anti feminist to tear her down because of the success of her man. Like she couldn't have done it herself by her own.

[B]

She might have added to what the fuck he made possibly.

[D]

I'm sure she did.

[B]

And yo, dog, we start finding any and everything that separate us saying, yo, she's super attractive. She's an attractive lady. But it's way prettier women than Emma Greed that have not where they at. It's way prettier women than immigrate that have not excelled in business to the degree in which she's excelled. So I don't want it. We keep putting the diminishing this. Yeah.

[D]

Yo, like yeah. But I do think it. All right. Kim Kardashian works really hard. We agree on that?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes, I think so. Yes.

[D]

But if Kim Kardashian gave a motivational speech to young people and said, yo, some of y' all are succeeding in your business because you're not working hard enough. You need to just grind it out, I would hear that different from Kim Kardashian. Kardashian. Than I would from.

[C]

This all feels sexist to me.

[D]

From another woman. But see, I think part of feminism, particularly more radical and progressive forms of feminism, that it's not just about girl power, it's also about acknowledging political economy. It's also about acknowledging privilege and power and all these other things. And white women lean in. Sheryl Sandberg. Feminism is different than other kinds of feminism. Again, I agree that some of this does feel like it's personal. It's almost like they're holding against her some things that she ain't got nothing to do with. I'm just saying the message. The messenger. And the message, as we often talk about up here, does matter. And I think someone who does, especially

[A]

when that's your message on nothing but black platforms that you're going to. It does come off a way.

[D]

It just comes off.

[A]

You're saying that to your black audience or a black audience.

[D]

She said.

[A]

You're not saying that.

[B]

Platforms like where she left before she came over here speaking. I wasn't a black person.

[A]

Platform.

[D]

She's been on the run today.

[B]

She's on a run. You get what I'm saying?

[A]

What does that have to do with what I said?

[B]

You're saying that she's.

[A]

We can't speak to what she said when she sat down with William Morris.

[D]

The audience.

[B]

My point, though, people, you. She could have said the same thing over there. You don't know because you didn't watch.

[D]

Yeah, but that's the.

[A]

Like, we know where she said it, which was Kiki Palmer and other black platform. I don't understand.

[D]

You said the message may not have changed. I'm saying it should.

[B]

She didn't say that on a. I'm saying let's assume.

[D]

Let's assume.

[B]

Cause she didn't speak black woman here. That's what I'm saying. She never said black women. She said women. So she could go on these white platforms and still say women. Yeah, but because y' all don't watch them white platforms to hear her say women, y' all won't hear it. So when she says women on a black platform, it's. Yo, she's. She's singling out black women. She's doing this.

[D]

No, I don't think she's single out black women. What I'm saying is when you give a general message to everybody and not treating people who are different as if they're the same can be just as oppressive as taking people who are the same and treating them differently. Before you just let me finish it off for y', all, I know when I'm about to get triple teen.

[A]

Pause, wait, I'm agreeing. There's no triple team.

[D]

So what I'm saying is that I agree her message probably was the same across every platform. What I would suggest is sometimes it shouldn't be that sometimes when I'm talking to a group of middle class white white women who have a certain set of challenges, it might be different than working class black women who have a different set of challenges. And so sometimes the working hard thing, if I'm telling everybody that a primary key to your success is working harder, I'm oversimplifying it. I know, but it's working harder that can sometimes be used as an excuse, especially against women of color, to ignore the other things that make women of color face challenges other than just not working hard enough. That's what they're saying, and that becomes a problem. I'm not saying that was her intention.

[B]

Can her message be saying, I know those things, but staying home makes it harder on top of those?

[D]

And I think if she had said, look, I noticed all these other factors, but also you're not doing yourself any favors, that would be a different message.

[A]

Yeah, she'd be received differently.

[D]

She'd be received differently in just saying that. And as I said, I'm not assuming, I'm reading her generously. I think that is what she's saying.

[B]

I think so too.

[D]

But that's not what she said. And if you didn't have the benefit of sitting with her for two and a half hours and kind of knowing her a little bit, I think I could see how. I could just see how the message gets.

[B]

She didn't say anything to the contrary either, though.

[D]

I know, but. But the world begin. The default position of the world is just work harder, dog.

[B]

Listen to this. If she was a white man, they would say, yo, you're a white man. She not a white man. If she was a white lady, they would said, yo, you're a white lady. She was a black lady. That's from the fucking ghetto. We're now saying, yo, you a black lady from the ghetto, but you pretty. It's always going to be some one thing that is contrary that we going to leave Lean on, dog. Why can't it just be yo. Her message was her message to people, and they might have interpreted how they want to interpret it, but she didn't say the things that people are saying.

[D]

Want to make excuses while they sitting at home not getting up. That's the opinion. Want to make excuses of why they sitting at home not getting. Getting up and going out there and doing something go off. But so. So. And what we do is pacifying the people that's making the excuses.

[A]

Also, there are hundreds of things that are preventing women from climbing the corporate ladder in the workplace.

[D]

Of course. But then why be mad at somebody that made it and is motivating you? Because she's not identifying or picking out specifics of the injustice that black women face at the workplace. But that's the point. Why do we look, we know already. The people know, but we don't know. We don't know how much of the world doesn't know. You know, who knows?

[B]

You know, who knows, though? She knows, but.

[D]

And that's what she.

[B]

She's in bigger rooms than any of us has ever been in. She knows. She started from the bottom my. And got to the top and everywhere in the middle. She is the perfect person that has an idea of what all of these rooms are saying.

[C]

I do remember her speaking about something up here, about when she goes to meetings, they would give the check to the white guy when they would sit down at the table.

[B]

Assistant is getting a check, right?

[D]

Yeah. No, I get. I get that. That's what I say up here. I don't have a critique of what she said. It's in that other space. Who didn't. Who probably may not have watched our three hours. You said.

[A]

And again, she wasn't talking to men. It's not men that are in uproar.

[B]

Men, black women.

[A]

This ain't our fight. This ain't our demand battle. The women are the people that are. Yeah. They're killing them. Yeah.

[B]

So if I'm a woman that made it and I say, hey, ladies, I'm gonna tell y', all. Y' all not doing yourselves no favors. Working from home. Like it's only gonna make it harder for you. That's a problem.

[D]

I think the context in which it said matters. That's all.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[D]

I don't have a problem with that advice, per se. No. Right. Telling people.

[A]

Let us hear you say it in the white room.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Let us hear you say it over there. But, Mark.

[D]

It shouldn't just mean.

[B]

But Mark. Just, well, if that's the case, Mark, that's a contradiction because Mark not a

[A]

contradiction, because he's right. She shouldn't and wouldn't say it.

[B]

In a way, he's saying you shouldn't say the same things in the white room that you're saying in the black room. That's what Mark is saying.

[D]

Sometimes the audience matters.

[B]

So don't say, yo, let me hear you say it in the white room and the black room. Even though we don't know she's not doing that because we don't listen.

[D]

But I'm not saying nothing should be said in both.

[B]

Nobody said that either. What I'm saying is Mark is saying contingent upon who your audience is, your message could be catered to that particular audience.

[D]

I do think. I do think the content matters.

[A]

And who you talking to. She's done white podcasts and we haven't heard L Magazine. She said what the hell Magazine.

[B]

The initial comment. The comments were made to elle magazine on April 15th. She said that. Which. That ain't black.

[A]

Ls not black.

[B]

And. And so. So she said it to a white.

[D]

Yeah, so. So let's take you doing.

[B]

You can't win, bro.

[D]

Listen, so, I mean, one of the factors I think that makes women. Women not going to the office is raising families and often not having a partner. Just use this as an example. I'm not refuting what you're saying. I'm just adding something to it. A lot of women don't have partners who do a lot of the parenting or co parenting and certainly not the care work. So now Emma has very specifically said that she limits the amount of time she spends with her kids, which is a very specific choice. Some would argue a very. It's basically saying to be successful, I have to move more or like men move.

[B]

She said, yo, I believe my kids are good with 20 minutes a day or some shit like that.

[D]

Yeah, a lot of people would say that's not a healthy or good choice. So she's making a. And I'm not criticizing how she chooses to raise her kids. All I'm saying is that that's a very particular set of choices that I think you should also acknowledge when you're telling these women to go into the office that you may have to make a different set of choices about parenting. She. That a lot of us would say she said that too.

[C]

I also think, say if. I'm sorry to harp, but I also think saying the only reason why you made it is because you're pretty is also Horrible.

[D]

That's up. I'm.

[B]

I'm not next to a Kardashian.

[D]

I'm not. But. But the thing is, I think all of those factors have to be at least considered when I. If, if, if we talked to T.J. mcConnell earlier. If, if, If I were getting a pep talk from a player about working hard to get to the NBA. T.J. mcConnell tells me that at six feet tall, flat. No, no, you know what I mean. Working hard, not super athletic. Other shit, I'm gonna hear that different than if an NBA netball baby says it. Even though I know Kobe worked hard, even though I know Klay Thompson worked hard, I'm gonna hear that shit different if it's coming from somebody who didn't go through what I went through. And again, she had a lot of hardship. I'm not taking nothing away from her either. I'm just saying how the audience receives it matters. Flip sat here just a minute ago and said that people are just trying to make excuses because they don't want to just go into work. That perspective is a thing that we worry about. That people will think that all these women staying home is not because of all these factors, but because they're just too lazy or don't have the initiative to go in. And that's all to Joe's point.

[B]

Or to Joe's point, we could. Or to Joe's point, you're making a conscious and deliberate decision to only see your kids 20 minutes a day and go to work for 16 hours a day. We're not going to look at that like that's a sacrifice, but you're going to look at it and say, yo, some of these people elect to stay home with their kids, which is not a bad thing. She didn't elect to do that. And she's reaping other people benefits and

[D]

she could have other detriments.

[B]

It's your conscious, deliberate choices that are shaping your life. But we're not going to diminish one for making one choice and then not.

[D]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm just saying acknowledge that.

[A]

Yeah, because everybody don't have the same choices.

[D]

Yeah, that's the other.

[B]

Using Mark's analogy that he made, he's saying women are staying home because of.

[A]

But when you said it, you said some women are choosing to elect to stay home.

[B]

True.

[D]

Some don't have that. Some is not a choice.

[B]

It depends on where you are in corporate America and what you're looking level

[D]

is and what your economic background is.

[B]

And it sound like she's talking to the people that are choosing.

[A]

Y' all like these exotic girls. I don't care.

[B]

No, it ain't got nothing to do. You do, too. Don't do that.

[D]

You do too. Y' all like more than just huh? So y' all found Emma attractive?

[B]

She was good.

[D]

She was attractive, but she wasn't say that to.

[B]

Oh, she was pretty.

[D]

What she got say that joke.

[A]

They going to. I don't care enough about it for them.

[D]

We got more important things to talk about. You know what that does he know what he doing. Joe, I know you bought the serious. It's not with something important, but I wanted to bring up something I think is significant, and that is Dre is now a chef. I feel like we can't have a serious podcast without addressing this.

[C]

Came a long way from Drea Place.

[A]

Long way, boy. Bro.

[B]

And she only a chef because she wanted to stay home. You know what I'm saying? So she got in there and got some oxtail recipes, and that's why she staying home.

[D]

Oxtail, singular.

[B]

No, it's not. I Googled it the other day, and

[D]

it's not the Internet responded to you.

[A]

It's singular.

[D]

Why?

[A]

He won't take knowledge from nobody.

[B]

My. I Googled it.

[D]

You won't either.

[A]

Don't say O.

[D]

You're not more important than Google.

[A]

Don't say you're not smarter than the.

[D]

In the dictionary, when somebody disagrees with you, they can disagree with you.

[A]

Don't say oxtails. That's it. Somebody that loves you is trying to

[B]

tell Joe Button's word over the dictionary's word.

[A]

Don't say it again.

[B]

Got you.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

I don't even.

[A]

You can look up whatever dictionary you want. Don't say oxtails, and that's the end of it.

[B]

No, it's not the end of it. I can say what the I want.

[D]

And I'm not going to take you idiot flat earther because I don't agree with you because there's no s is you talking oxtail.

[A]

Oxtail is the plural of oxtail.

[B]

Joe. I don't give a about oxtail or oxtails is the plural of fish.

[A]

Do we have to go to just plural? Why are you so defense.

[B]

Why are you defensive about no s being on yo, you are being performative.

[D]

And again, I told you 70 times. Oxtail. His oxtail. And you were fighting with me about it.

[A]

Cause you looked it up on Google. Clearly your Google searches are wrong.

[D]

I looked it up in the area wrong. Look, don't say it again. Look, you're not gonna sound like a

[A]

prodigy or whatever the you was trying

[D]

to get up to think you want.

[A]

Like I said, there's no S on it.

[B]

Yo, you.

[D]

That's it. Shut the up. No, you shut the up. You ain't the dictionary.

[A]

You stupid jamming.

[B]

There's not an S. I know.

[A]

It is an S. There's no.

[B]

No, there is an S. There's not an S. No, there is an S.

[D]

You are wrong and dumb. Get up on my.

[B]

My.

[D]

You not smarted in the dictionary.

[B]

You stupid.

[A]

You went to college.

[D]

Don't use a you episode, you dummy. You didn't go to college. You didn't take your 10th grade. Drop out.

[A]

Damn it.

[D]

Over we.

[A]

What floor you want to know?

[B]

It's oxtail, stupid yo. You dumb, yo.

[A]

We argue because he don't receive information. We think everything is a tug of war.

[D]

What does that say? What does it say?

[B]

Smarter than you.

[D]

Say it again, please. You just don't say it again unless

[A]

you're talking to Webster.

[B]

You talking to somebody on the street telling them what that plural means.

[A]

Out of here.

[D]

Both oxtail and oxtails are widely used and acceptable, but they often refer to the dish differently.

[B]

Yo, word

[C]

again.

[A]

Holy.

[C]

That's going to be a good meme.

[B]

No, it's not.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, it's. The answer is actually somewhere in the middle, but I don't want to get. Get us down that road. I'm leave it alone. It's like fish and fishes. Fishes sometimes is correct. However, oxtail frequently. I know, but it's correct. It depends on what fish is correct sometimes.

[B]

I've never heard it in my life.

[D]

For example, if I'm talking about two different species, I can say like fishes, just like oxtail. Oxtails, as I understand it. I don't want to set anybody off. I know it's. I know it's a trigger.

[C]

Our triggers up here.

[D]

I had no idea what I put. Something would cause this. These are nuts.

[B]

These nuts are insane. I'm the farthest.

[D]

But like a lot of times when you say oxtails talking about different pieces of meat, like, if I'm in the butcher shop, I might say that. But if I said I have a pot of oxtail, I would say, I have a pot of oxtail. I wouldn't have a pot of oxtails. The plural would be oxtail.

[A]

Let's say it again.

[D]

But. But if I were at the butcher, I might say, give me those three oxtails.

[C]

I think Mark's corrected this.

[D]

No, I'm absolutely correct. I was Correct. Last week. I just. I just wanted to see y'. All. I mean, he's at of breath. He's red. Y. Y' all want to hu.

[B]

What if I take them three oxtails from the butcher, go home, and make them in one pot?

[D]

Now I got them oxtails turned to an oxtail.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

All right.

[C]

I love that we have a doctor here now.

[D]

This has been a great. Speaking of doctors. In all seriousness, speaking of.

[A]

We skipped Dre.

[D]

We sure did. I was scared to go back, to be honest.

[A]

I didn't say nothing about Dre.

[C]

I think we did the best job that we could have done with Drea.

[B]

Jer.

[A]

What the plural is? She's a chef.

[C]

That's true. That is true.

[D]

And shout out to Dre.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Shout out to forever.

[A]

We love Dre, but it's a ballsy move.

[B]

Why, though?

[C]

Cuz she used to be clowned for Dre plates. I used to be a thing.

[A]

Yeah, her. Her cooking history.

[B]

Legendary.

[C]

Legendarily legendary.

[B]

No, I. I'm. I'm not as legendary informed. Please.

[D]

It was nasty like that.

[C]

She used to post plates so you.

[B]

You wouldn't feed your dog.

[D]

So nobody ate it up here before?

[C]

No, I can only speak for me. I did not.

[B]

No. You had a Dre plate.

[D]

No, I didn't even know Dre made plates. I'm not familiar. I just saw on the board, Dre as chef and wanted to talk about it.

[C]

Thanksgiving every year.

[A]

You know, it was then. Then Dre at Thanksgiving every year. But the story that is always gonna haunt her is when she with her kids.

[D]

Kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's how a lot of people found out about. So people are clowning like, now you want to cook?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

People like, yo, you could. Now you cooking after you went out to the. And left. And it was a chef boy idea. Some. You remember the. Yeah, yeah. Legendary story. Yeah.

[C]

I see this as a don't look that bad.

[B]

Leaning into it.

[C]

Leaning into it and taking something that you're bad at and making it something you're good at. And I think that's empowering.

[B]

That's what it sh.

[D]

I love that.

[A]

And it's privilege.

[D]

She got. She left the house,

[A]

and it's privileged. Why? Why?

[B]

Cuz if she wasn't cute, she couldn't cook.

[C]

She could have gotten to culinary school.

[A]

I mean, if that man wasn't her man.

[C]

Culinary school is not that expensive.

[A]

If a man wasn't her man. All right.

[C]

It's a sexist again. It's the sexist again.

[A]

Oh, man, I ain't with him. Go ahead.

[B]

She could have got the.

[C]

She could have got into culinary school.

[B]

So financial aid.

[C]

Yeah. Shout out to Dre, man. Absolutely.

[B]

Keep cooking.

[C]

Two games.

[A]

And Jalen Green. I know the Rockets are sick watching him. The Rockets got to be sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe later, another day, I'll beat y' all down. About how LeBron is the greatest of all time and him winning two plays playoff games with his son is with no Reeves and no Luca is up there on some of the best legacy that any of us will ever see in sports.

[D]

I. I don't know about in our lives. I don't know what some part.

[A]

But him you don't know about.

[D]

If Ronnie weren't there, would they have won the games?

[A]

Well, we don't know. We're not really talking about that.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. I'm not taking that away from Brian. I'm just saying, to me, the. The legacy thing here is that what down two. Two star players, two of the three best players on the team. LeBron is. Is carrying them the victories. I'm saying salute to LeBron.

[B]

But it's even more fire.

[A]

Yes, it does.

[B]

I got everything to do.

[A]

Yes, it does. Sorry, Mark.

[B]

Yellow eyes ain't did it.

[D]

Huh?

[B]

Never mind.

[D]

Yellow eyes.

[A]

Never mind. Nobody did it. Who did it?

[D]

So. So when y won the championship, y' all was saying, that's like saying when Giannis won the championship, man, him doing that with his two brothers, his brother

[B]

and his son, that came out as nuts. It's two different things.

[A]

Yeah. Mark, you.

[D]

Why is nothing you're doing AB2 sting again?

[B]

Because that's where your son comes from.

[A]

Because what we saying is, the point of it is not only are you playing with your offspring, you've been playing and dominating long enough for your 21 year old, 22 year old son to be on you.

[B]

That's what.

[D]

That's what you're saying him just as a mark of how old he is.

[A]

They're saying,

[D]

you've converted me. I'm saying. Now I get what you're saying. I'm saying the same thing. I thought you were saying, like him and Bronnie took him to the next gate. The one that's.

[B]

I was like, no, it's just that you could be in the game at the top of your game so long

[D]

that you're so old enough for yourself to be there.

[B]

One was his first playoff game on the team.

[D]

I think that's it.

[A]

I'm not doing this no more.

[D]

I thought y' all was trying to make Brian, you know, like. It's like saying him and Bronnie combined for 29 points, 14 rebounds, and it's like, well, yeah, Bronnie ain't none of them know, but, yeah. Salute to LeBron.

[B]

Look for any opportunity to kick that man back.

[D]

I'm not kicking his back at it. Salute to Bron.

[A]

We got a list. Bronnie James. I love Barack Obama. Brian McKnight. Brian McKnight. Mark. Got a little list of people that he kick their back in. It's true.

[B]

So their name come up.

[A]

It's true. Go. Listen, speaking of sports, speaking of stuff, sports, we back at it.

[E]

Superb athlete.

[D]

I would say used to be.

[A]

Oh, man.

[E]

Maybe used to be. But she wife Jed is a superb athlete.

[A]

They used to be.

[E]

Maybe used to be. But she still got it in her. I'm short the way you did.

[D]

Which sport do you think Jen could

[E]

beat you at now?

[A]

All right, that audio is too bad, but this lady is nuts. Diana Rossini, that y' all defended. This lady is nuts. That y' all defended.

[C]

And even the first round of pictures, I was like, he might have just been cleaning something off her face.

[A]

No, they got pictures of them from six years back.

[D]

No, they got.

[B]

They got letters and emails, and it's

[C]

hard to tweets, text messages, and I'm trying to shoot the guy some bail, man, but it's hard. That's his and her some bail.

[A]

Yeah, that's his chick.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[A]

My work. The baby is named.

[B]

She named the baby Michael.

[C]

That's a common name.

[B]

Nah, that's his work. That's his work. That ain't his work.

[D]

That's wild.

[B]

Yeah, that ain't work.

[A]

That's his boo boo boo.

[B]

Honestly. Yeah, that's his job. Yeah, that ain't work. That ain't sideways.

[A]

That's his career. I'm saying it's a common name, but that tweet wasn't so common. The tweet of, oh, I'm just staring at my son, my beautiful son Michael, thinking what Michael had the best player slash. Was the best player slash coach. Coach of all time in the NFL.

[C]

Listen, there's always room for doubt.

[A]

That's.

[B]

No, it's not. That broke. Door is locked. You crazy. So if you're her husband right now you're thinking like, oh, no, her husband

[C]

has the CIA on her ass. That's where all this is coming from.

[B]

You named our son after. She probably was like, you know what hun looks like? I think Michael is.

[C]

Looks like a mic he looks like

[B]

a Michael, I think. What do you think about Michael?

[C]

As long as he doesn't look like a Michael. Cuz that would get complicated, bro.

[B]

I'm getting the D in A. Oh,

[D]

you better finish that sentence quick.

[A]

Immediately, bro.

[C]

You want to string those letters together.

[B]

Test immediately, bro.

[C]

You got to just, you know, take a good look. You got that linebacker neck.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

You can tell if he's a linebacker from the birth.

[A]

It did instantly remind me of Cheyenne Bryant saying that married a crumb. And the fall in love with the.

[D]

Fall in love with.

[A]

Fall in love with the. It did. It did take me back to that. I understood. I picked up what she was trying to put down with that one. I get that. This is a prime example of that. This is his girl.

[C]

It appears that's his girl.

[B]

My thing.

[A]

You can go marry. You go marry who you want to marry. Marry. Go have your kids. But that's mine.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's his work.

[D]

No comment. Yeah, I don't want to get sued no more.

[C]

Speaking of, I could see how one would take it that way. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It does appear they've been married since 99. Mike, Mike, Mike V. And his wife.

[A]

What that mean? Why you tell me that?

[D]

Huh?

[B]

What that means saying 27 years is a very long time. Well, you got married forever, you know.

[D]

No, indeed, indeed, indeed.

[A]

I'm trying to find Vrabel's cop out that he did at the draft.

[C]

That was crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that was absolutely nuts. I'm trying to find it and I'm happy. Some trouble, but yeah, go.

[C]

Well, it was the pre drafts, you know, they talk to the coaches and gms usually pre draft. So it was.

[A]

It was the same. They brought it up.

[C]

Begin by saying thank you. Thank you for your patience that you've shown in a personal and private matter. No one's shown you any patience, Mike.

[A]

I know that that's easy for you

[D]

and I respect that and I appreciate

[B]

your efforts in doing so. I understand.

[C]

I could have addressed you guys sooner,

[A]

but it was important to me to

[D]

have a conversation with the players, which

[C]

I did yesterday, and my wife is on my ass.

[D]

We began our off season program, which everyone is excited to be a part of.

[C]

Stacy had mentioned the players availability.

[D]

It was never my intention to have them speak to you or address address you before I did.

[A]

And so I asked him to. To come today to talk with you.

[C]

At the same token, though, what did you want him to say?

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[C]

The Gavin, you know, the draft, the

[D]

weekend of the draft.

[A]

Well, so glad you asked.

[C]

I mean, and I'm a Patriots hater, to be clear. I don't want to see this go well.

[A]

But they're killing him. They're killing him because his initial response to all of this was this is a la. This is a laughing. Laughing matter. All of this is laugh. She was getting taken leave from work, handling this for real. And he was like, don't worry. Nothing burger. He went from nothing burger. This is a laughing matter to I need to check myself in a facility that's.

[B]

I'm taking time during.

[A]

During the draft.

[C]

Going to cheater rehab is crazy.

[A]

So that's. So that's why they're kicking his ass. How fast he changed that position up and down.

[B]

You know, the pictures and stuff, you know, the evidence started to make it

[D]

a little bit more.

[C]

She got that good PI Dog.

[B]

You going to live with the lie.

[D]

But sometimes.

[B]

Sometime the truth come talk to you though. Yeah, you got to live with the lie.

[C]

Stand up there, ride that out as long as you can.

[A]

It sucks when they. You get caught with your favorite joint.

[D]

What is wrong with you?

[A]

Sometimes they catch you with a joint. Yeah, you better stop talking to her. All right. Bet.

[B]

All right.

[A]

She was on the outs in my book anyway. But when they catch you with your joint that you kind of love and they. Man, it's going to be her. Me make a choice. I'm choosing you, bro. It was.

[D]

It was a tight nail bite. It was a photo finish.

[A]

Damn.

[D]

Y ain't cuz you.

[A]

You. You going to choose your girl, but you ain't going to cut. Cut up off immediately. You want to drag that out, say goodbye, have some last time sex or some. Something. When they find you with your. When they catch your favorite joint. This is his joint that now he got to go into rehab over. He miss her.

[C]

She. The rehab. That's the craziest shit.

[D]

My.

[B]

She wasn't in no Radisson. They was at the private shindig in the hot tub Dolo looking at the mountaintops. Fam, have y' all been seeing this? We done found a compilation of her. Like Diss and her husband.

[C]

Yeah, we played down.

[A]

Yeah, no, they found more.

[B]

There's a lot more.

[A]

They found more.

[C]

I'm more impressed by the photo. They're finding photos from like little dive

[A]

bars and all types of got.

[C]

You be in the expensive hotel like that PI had to pay to get up in there.

[B]

Somebody paid some bread.

[A]

Well, that's the thing for somebody that have all of these pics for all of these years. Somebody been on you for a minute or somebody has suspected things for a while while been hoarding the evidence. And now week by week or month by month is slowly year by year slowly placing this out.

[B]

So they've been compiling that.

[A]

That looks crazy. One and two. I don't want to hear nothing about the Patriot way no more.

[C]

This is the Patriot.

[D]

They've been cheating for 25 years in the United States.

[A]

If you want to get deep, triple on time, y' all can learn. Y' all killing.

[C]

Talking about it's regular.

[B]

Come up here, have Thanksgiving.

[A]

Y

[B]

talking about you.

[C]

Not wrong though.

[A]

Anyway, Diana Rossini, you're done.

[C]

Yeah, they did that.

[A]

Mike V, you'll be back. But the second that Robert Kraft get dunzo from you, you dunzo Craft like talking about that's totally different craft Going, going in a little happy ending joint and homeboy calls it him up. This is what I think.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

We'll get through this, right?

[B]

We'll get through this.

[A]

I get it.

[C]

You just took my team to the super bowl with a second year quarterback.

[A]

Yeah, we'll give you right, yo, this

[B]

next time, I'mma teach you how to do. I'm tell you how to do it this way. You up right.

[A]

The super bowl appearance saved them from all the screaming Robert Kraft wanted to do all year about Stefan Diggs to Mike Brable. Robert Crab been wanting to go off all year about the behavior he has seen from some of these people. I can believe that because y' all cooking and I'mma mind my business.

[B]

But the day the season is over.

[A]

But Mike Brable coming, all this shit coming out about him for me made all the sense in the world. Why you just turn a blind eye to some of the things that was going on in the team. You preoccupied.

[D]

Yeah, that's the thing.

[A]

People always sleep on point about cheating or just, well, cheating to cheat. You're preoccupied. And if you're going to be preoccupied, boy, your check, your boxes better be checked.

[D]

You better have.

[A]

All the ducks in a row used to tell me that my 20s when I was broke, like, they was like, you can't cheat. No, you can't cheat. The niggas, that's cheating. They girl is taking care of. Bills is paid, car is paid, rent is paid, the kids are happy. Private school, all of the boxes, you can't cheat. So. Nah.

[D]

Anyway, before we go, I just had a public service announcement.

[A]

Who died?

[D]

No, no, no, no. This is good news.

[A]

This is good news.

[D]

If you are a black male senior in high school or one of you, more likely for our audience, one of your children is a black male senior in high school. There's an opportunity for you to get a free ride to college and to medicaldental school. So Tennessee State University and Meharry Medical College have an excel accelerated seven year MD or DDS program with a full ride potential. And right now, they don't have any black male applicants. So basically with this program, you get to go to undergrad and medical school or dental school for free. But there are no black male applicants right now, so they're looking for people. So if you know somebody who's a black male high school senior who has a 3.5 GPA or higher and a 28 ACT score or higher, and you want to be a doctor or dentist, please, please, please reach out and. And connect for this program. The best way to connect is to go on Instagram, TheBlack Doctor.

[A]

The.

[D]

The sign is the Black Doctor. And. And at least look into it. That's dope, man.

[B]

I'll cover your books.

[A]

That's fire.

[D]

And it should cover your books. It should pay for the books.

[A]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

[D]

Let's split it. We'll split it. You get into the bag.

[A]

Why? He just won't say that.

[B]

Why won't he just say.

[A]

Hold up for a minute. Something just popped up on the shave room.

[B]

Public service.

[A]

He said, hold up for a minute, y'. All. Breaking news.

[D]

I didn't say it was break. It's on the board. Listen, you illiterate bastards. Black doctor program.

[A]

Listen, y'. All, The Tuskegee Airmen are not black anymore, so we need some. If you scored a 900 on the SACT, please take your way to Tennessee College University because we running out of black Tuskegee pilots. We don't have no pilots no more. Yo. So if you black, they're gonna pay. They're gonna give you health, insured, dental. They're gonna do.

[B]

We'll cover. They gonna cover the books.

[A]

It's gonna buy some books, give you a hoodie or some.

[D]

I'll put it on the books as well.

[A]

I'll put some on.

[D]

You got enough on your plate, man. When that school is built, we'll. We'll find something.

[A]

Seriously.

[D]

It's almost done. That's what's up. I really appreciate you doing this. No, listen, it's. It's. I'm remodeling it. So that's all it is. Oh, that's the. I'm saying I'll be in Trinidad next month.

[A]

You said you're still working on out there.

[D]

I thought you said he's gonna contribute and help. I am. Why y' all hating?

[B]

You said you I'm gonna donate the oxtail.

[D]

Oh, you. This a Caribbean, right? I just want the two you're talking

[A]

to also said they would volunteer to teach at Umar School.

[D]

I will. They just be.

[A]

They just in here just be saying, trying to.

[D]

Well, you know why he want to teach? You know why he want. Yo, you killed me. You killed me. You killed me, Umar. So I'mma come work for you now.

[A]

We.

[D]

We good. I'm just saying he good.

[B]

That's more reason why wouldn't want to do that.

[D]

No, that's not true.

[A]

Why.

[B]

How about I just. How about I just want to help the black young men that make you help me.

[D]

Exactly. Why don't you help me in my initiative?

[B]

We offered give some money you on me.

[D]

Yeah, I forgot.

[A]

Did it again.

[D]

I put it towards Trinidad. No, we.

[A]

You could do that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yo, I know. I know that this person I'm about to ask y' all about is a friend of the show, but I have to ask. Look at that. Reading the board. You know what I'm gonna say that I didn't know what you gonna say. Mandy be at on stage with Spectacular. I did on top of him. I mean, she was on. He was on top of her. It looked like he spit in her mouth. She swallowed it. She later came back to say that was honey. She also came back to say, hey, I'm a nasty.

[D]

And she consented to it.

[A]

Don't judge me. It was. Was consensual. It was planned. That's a friend of mine. He was a complete gentleman. That whole crew. She spoke really highly of. Of the whole ordeal, which made me think that somebody was twisting that into be something else, you know, of course they. But outside of that, like, what did y' all just think of Spectacular doing that to mend. I don't get it.

[D]

Why you asked that question.

[B]

I don't understand.

[A]

Well, anytime people are spitting in other people's mouths, it's a conversation.

[D]

You try asking me to take it down before.

[A]

Especially on stage. No, I don't care about that. Especially on the stage.

[D]

I thought it was dope. I loved herself. She had a good time. He put on a great show. They put on a great show, everybody. And I love to see people play that shit out in public. I think it's dope. If she like it, I love it. Are you saying that. Shout out to Mandy. Are you saying that? Because it's Mandy that did it. Like, who she is.

[A]

Man, you a nasty. Yo. I ain't going to lie to you. I understand doing it, and that's your friend. But

[D]

salute to her, the Spectacular. I'm not. I'm not kink shaming nobody.

[A]

I'm not shaming.

[D]

I know you not. I'm saying do your thing, girl.

[B]

Yo, what's wrong?

[A]

I'm just asking a question.

[B]

No, you didn't ask a question.

[A]

Spectacular tackling. Like.

[B]

What's your question,

[A]

Flip? What you laughing at?

[D]

What are you. What y' all cooking?

[A]

What's up?

[D]

Oh, God damn.

[A]

Spectacular.

[B]

What's your question? Spectacular.

[A]

I'mma throw a oxtail at you. Me and you, girl.

[B]

No, I want to hear your question.

[A]

Spectacular.

[B]

One question mark. I don't know what that means.

[D]

Totem pole.

[B]

Elaborate. Don't know either. My question is stupid as nor cow.

[D]

He's suggesting that. That. It's not Chris Brown. It's Spectacular. I see what you saying.

[A]

Why?

[D]

Hey, don't.

[B]

Don't speak for him, Flip. What are you saying? Sir?

[A]

You want me. Just say it. I got it.

[B]

Yeah, I. I understand what he meant.

[D]

Said Breezy.

[A]

That's crazy, yo.

[D]

Breezy would do that to Mandy. What are we doing?

[A]

Y.

[D]

It's been such a good show.

[C]

Really good show.

[D]

That's a great point. You can't do what we do to.

[A]

I can't believe we can't have fun with Spectacular spitting honey in Mandy's mouth on stage and making us. No, we could.

[B]

You just got to lead. Being a great leader that you are.

[D]

Be courageous.

[A]

I keep saying Spectacular, though.

[C]

In.

[A]

Y' all keep just.

[D]

I don't know Spectacular or Mandy well enough to have an opinion.

[A]

I'll find out. Don't worry about it. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. You guys, I got it. I got it.

[D]

But Diddy's lawsuit got dismissed. Yo, if y' all care.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Mandy.

[A]

I'm starting my own podcast soon. By myself.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. They can't hold me back for my whole life. I'm starting to part by myself where I speak about the things that I want with them and you on the list.

[D]

But why you want us to say it instead of just saying it?

[A]

Mandy, you. I'm gonna talk about that kiss.

[D]

Yeah, just say it. I want to know.

[A]

I'mma talk about the Uno game that happened after. Oh, I went backstage and played Uno.

[D]

Who played Uno backstage? Man, he stuck. You said that?

[A]

Yeah, man. Mandy, I'm coming in here to talk about all of it.

[D]

Girl.

[A]

Happy, laugh. Stop me.

[D]

Is we going tomorrow morning, 6am me and you flying in and go talk to her, 6am We. She gonna be in Atlanta, right?

[B]

She not in Atlanta.

[A]

Spectacular, boy. Love you, Mandy. That was a lot of fun. We're glad you're having fun.

[D]

Shout out to Mandy.

[C]

Shout to Mandy.

[A]

Talking about you at least on a rewind episode. Something you going to bring up here for a rewind? No.

[D]

Oh, that's how she.

[A]

No, I'm going talk about it. Are you a st. No, I don't rewind. That's a different rewind.

[D]

That'll be fired anyway.

[A]

Come on, let's move on.

[D]

Mark, what would you say? I was just saying Diddy had a $100 million lawsuit against NBC Universal for that documentary that was made against him. And the judge threw it out, saying the case lacked merit. And I just thought it was interesting because the reason why they. Because basically saying this shit fucked up my career. And they pointed to Diddy's own testimony where he admitted, basically, they were saying that the damage was before documentary happened, the damage was already done to Diddy's career. And that during the trial, Diddy himself said that he. That he was the problem. And so they basically threw it out. So they used.

[B]

Yes, I think his case really had merit.

[A]

Oh, shit. Sorry, sorry.

[B]

You think they fucked his career up? I think that. Cause didn't that doc drop before his verdict? Right.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I think that's horrible for them to have released that documentary before he got sentenced and before his verdict. I think that could have potentially played a part in that. All right. But that ain't fucking my career up. That's some legal shit. That I want to go and get a mistrial. No, I'm saying I might want to go and say the jury pool was tainted by whatever.

[A]

Whatever.

[D]

Cool.

[B]

My career was fucked up before that doc.

[D]

Yeah. And specifically his quote was, because of my decisions, I lost my freedom. I lost my career. I totally destroyed my reputation. He wrote that to the judge.

[B]

His career was fucked up when that video dropped. You fucked yourself right there.

[D]

Yeah, he fucked himself right there.

[B]

He fucked himself up.

[D]

But also, there has to be space for journalists. It goes back to the Brad McKnight thing. There has to be space for journalists to do work and to be able to state and to be able to trade ideas and get different opinions and offer perspectives. They didn't say anything to slander him. There was nothing libelous about it.

[B]

So, you know, you don't think nothing in that doc was subjective?

[D]

Maybe, but there has to be Room for subjectivity. Right. My job isn't to be his advocate.

[A]

Got you.

[D]

You know, but I thought it's a be.

[B]

I don't know. Because you're a journalist. Isn't a journalist's job to be objective?

[D]

It's to be fair. It's to be fair. So, for example, if I. If I do a documentary on the Boston Marathon bomber, I don't have to be. I don't have to. I can be fair and tell the story properly, but I don't have to pretend he's not. That he's not a monster. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

Speaking of not having to pretend people are not monsters. Soon as I get home. Home. That Hulk Hogan doc is going. Getting turned on buddy. Four episodes right on Netflix. I'm. I'm watching it.

[D]

I can't wait.

[A]

I'm watching it.

[D]

Sorry, I can't wait. I'm gonna watch it. Every minute of it. I watch every minute of it.

[A]

What else? What else would I. I think for the most part, we are done. I wanted to highlight that Rod Digger tweet where she was wondering when somebody is going to do the Clive Davis sex scandal doc.

[D]

That's a good Patreon thing, cuz it's

[A]

a question that people have been asking for quite some time. But you're right. You're right.

[D]

I got a couple things with Patriot I want to get through. That's one of them.

[A]

Yeah. I want to talk about throwing something back in the ocean. I tried to get it out there.

[D]

I saw. I saw early.

[C]

You went too early. Yeah, you went to the ocean way too early.

[A]

First 20 minutes only, cuz it felt

[D]

like it was, but you blew a little too early.

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

It's fine.

[D]

The mutual say,

[C]

yo, good call back. Good call back.

[B]

That was a good one.

[C]

That was a good call back.

[B]

Yo. You are horrible writer. What is that?

[A]

All right, man. Good vibes. Good vibes today.

[C]

Great show, man.

[A]

What y' all got going on this weekend?

[D]

Anything, Anything, Anything. Outside we partying for.

[C]

Party.

[A]

Hey, we partying for. Love it.

[D]

Happy birthday.

[C]

We love you. Inside, outside.

[A]

I absolutely love the flyer that says throwback. We're taking it back to 2016. I was like, yo, how old am I?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Not.

[C]

Are we old now?

[B]

Like, God damn, that was teen.

[C]

Decade.

[A]

Decade.

[B]

That's throwback now.

[C]

Yeah. All the dudes are going to be dressed exactly the same way.

[B]

I still dress like it's 2016.

[A]

Yeah. Other than that, I think I'm chilling, man. I ain't got too much going on. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Might have to hit that. My man Dallas gained dollar called said Isaiah Haran is in New York City Sunday night. I might have to make my way over there, man. Other than that, man, y' all hold it down. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you ado farewell. Adios to River Diri. Hasta la vista, arvois. So long goodbye Or a simple head nod will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. Hey, Shadow Lloyd. Lastly, the baddies are insecure to stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you with Tylenol, you might need it. Go Nicks. Tonight Knicks. You lose tonight, you're done, buddy. Yeah, you lose tonight, you're done. Clear.

[D]

Clear.

[A]

Clear your lockout or.

[D]

Wait a minute.

[A]

All right, let's piece it up. Yo, you. You can say oxtails. N. For real. I shouldn't have screamed at you like that.

[D]

That was wrong.

[A]

You. You accept my apology?

[B]

Yo, bro, shut your ass up, bro.

[A]

Well, except, cuz, I want an apology from you. I'm a knock him out when I'm telling you. Yo, it's coming. It's coming, man. Y' all hold it down, man. Stay safe this weekend. Be blessed this weekend. Supposed to rain, huh?

[B]

Supposed to rain all weekend.

[A]

Oh, is it? Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yikes.

[B]

Go see the Michael movie.

[A]

Go see that Michael movie, man. And if you blessed enough, enough. Bring some entertainment with you.

[D]

See it tonight.

[A]

Who you going with?

[C]

I was there watching the draft and the movie at the same time.

[D]

You was going, like, with your homies. Yo, you saw me again?

[A]

Wait, Mark, you shooting. You shooting that?

[D]

No, I asked Going see the movie with. I'm going see my wife.

[A]

Patreon, we going to get you.

[D]

I'm going see with my wife, too. It's dope. Did she know y' all going yet? Yeah, she know I spoke to her. Okay, okay.

[A]

Cool, cool.

[D]

Dude, Say it, boy. I can shoot it.

[A]

Oh, no, I pulled the drop. All right, mute it up.

[D]

I'm from the Weber nitty era. It's the network.