Episode 936 | "Caught In The Rain"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast

Episode 936 | "Caught In The Rain"

Release Date: June 10, 2026
Overview:
In this lively and wide-ranging episode, Joe Budden and his regulars—Parks, Flip (QueenzFlip), Ish, and Dr. Mark Lamont Hill—reunite after Flip's trip to Trinidad. They recap wild weekends, clown on absent co-host Ice, analyze the NBA Finals chaos in New York (including Trump’s contentious visit to MSG for the Knicks-Spurs game), discuss relationship philosophies, celebrity news, and the ethics of billionaires, and break down the viral Daphne Joy x Akademiks interview. The group’s signature humor, sharp wit, and layered debates are on full display as they bounce from sports and pop culture to deeper conversations about marriage, wealth, science, and spirituality.

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Table of Contents

1. The Return of Flip: Trinidad Recap and Podcast Energy
2. Ice Out Sick: The Legend of "Caught in the Rain"
3. NBA Finals: Knicks-Mayhem, Trump at MSG, and NYC Energy
4. Relationship Talk: Marriage, Second Marriages, and Happiness
5. Wealth, Billionaires, and Social Responsibility
6. The Art of the Spin: Akademiks x Daphne Joy Interview
7. Science, Spirituality & Clairvoyance
8. Quick Hits: Entertainment and Pop Culture
9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
10. Key Timestamps

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1. The Return of Flip: Trinidad Recap and Podcast Energy

• [00:00 - 05:00]
  • Flip’s first episode back from Trinidad. The crew jokes about Flip’s new sneakers (gifted in Trinidad), his KFC-heavy diet, and his rejuvenated look.
  • Joe shares that his mom noticed Flip’s weight loss, bigs up Flip’s recent skits, and jokes about not sharing his sneaker plug.
  • Pride among the crew as Flip describes driving a music truck for 15 hours around Trinidad giving away gifts (PS5s, slides), with a video release teased for the following day.
  • Vibe: Playful ribbing, homecoming energy.

Quote:
"For 14 hours. 15 hours. The video will be out tomorrow." — Flip ([03:29])

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2. Ice Out Sick: The Legend of "Caught in the Rain"

• [04:19 - 10:00]
  • Ice misses the show, reportedly “sick from getting caught in the rain.” The crew debates whether rain really can make you sick or if Ice is simply recovering from a wild, party-filled weekend.
  • Parks and Joe reveal Ice’s epic weekend out (trap karaoke with 17,000 people, Knicks watch parties), suggesting a hangover, not the weather, is to blame.
  • Running gag: “Caught in the rain” as a questionable excuse—sparks broader banter about “faking sick days” after going too hard.
  • Joe and Mark bond over coworkers instantly sensing each other’s moods.
  • Vibe: Classic friend group clowning mixed with gripes about adult life.

Quote:
"He said, I'm barely making it. And we was like, what's up? You good? And he was like, ah, man, I feel like shit. I got caught in the rain." — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill ([04:30])

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3. NBA Finals: Knicks Mayhem, Trump at MSG & NYC Energy

• [29:35 - 51:44]
  • Detailed recounting of getting to the Knicks NBA Finals home game amid Secret Service security due to Trump’s attendance.
  • Joe describes the logistical nightmare (barricades, massive lines, tense energy, celebrities everywhere).
  • The crew debates Stephen A. Smith’s take on Trump “killing the city’s vibe” and speculate that Trump’s motives are always self-serving.
  • The future of Madison Square Garden is discussed (lease up 2028, battle with NYC over Penn Station).
  • On-court take: The game’s ugly, physical play, Knicks losing, and the toll VIP security takes on player/fan morale.
  • Notable off-topic: Celebrity sightings (Law & Order stars, Ben Stiller, DJ Khaled), Cardi B’s halftime performance.

Quotes:

• "It was an absolute shit show...there was a checkpoint at every block. There were long lines...contingent upon what tickets you had." — Joe Budden ([30:58])
• "For him [Trump] to come and do that, dog, it's like. It's tough. Being a Knick fan, I almost preferred for them to be on the road." — Joe Budden ([38:07])

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4. Relationship Talk: Marriage, Second Marriages, and Happiness

• [89:41 - 106:53]
  • The group weighs in on the secret to lasting celebrity relationships, using Darrell Bell (Ron Johnson, A Different World) and Tempestt Bledsoe (Vanessa, Cosby Show) as an example—they’ve never married but have stayed together for decades without scandal.
  • Broader discussion on marriage vs. happiness: Is not getting married the secret for celebs? Is marriage simply a pressure point?
  • Flip, Ish, Mark, and Joe share perspectives on marriage, second marriages, personal growth, and the value of “building happiness over status.”
  • Consensus: There’s no one-size-fits-all solution—define happiness for yourself.

Quote:
"I'm on the side of let everybody love however it is they love. If you want to get married, have at it. If you don't want to get married, have at it." — Joe Budden ([90:39])

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5. Wealth, Billionaires, and Social Responsibility

• [108:23 - 115:18]
  • Lewis Hamilton’s viral comments about the moral discomfort of being a billionaire are dissected.
  • Mark takes the anti-billionaire stance ("I don't like the existence of billionaires")—calls for systemic change, not just philanthropy.
  • Ish and Joe counter: Even if all billionaires liquidated, structural issues persist; greed is a societal/systemic flaw, not just personal.
  • Joe points out that true change requires altering systems, not trusting individuals to “walk the walk.”
  • Mark: “Everybody wants to go to heaven, nobody wants to die”—nobody is truly ready to give up their money.
  • Tone: Nuanced, a rare moment where everyone gets serious.

Quote:
"It's the system that produces billionaires. That's what needs to be dismantled." — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill ([111:28])

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6. The Art of the Spin: Akademiks x Daphne Joy Interview

• [134:08 - 145:07]
  • Deep dive, with audio, into Akademiks’ viral interview with model Daphne Joy.
  • The crew jokes that AK “fell for it”—Daphne flirted, played into his ego, and had him talking password sharing and making overt offers.
  • Broad laughs about “the spin” (players getting played), with Ish and Joe admitting that being “spun” can be fun if you’re honest about it.
  • Meta-joking about who among them would pay for sex/dates ("Yes, he would pay"), and how “the giggle” is a superweapon in attraction.
  • They joke about who would best handle a Daphne Joy interview.

Quotes:

• "She could have taken every coin from him in that moment...She got him ready to go chase the chase." — Joe Budden ([134:22], [138:24])
• "See, that's what makes it good. You ain't gotta lie to me. I don't gotta lie to you." — Ish ([139:37])

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7. Science, Spirituality & Clairvoyance

• [119:02 - 124:46]
  • The crew discusses the limits of science, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s reasoning about mortality, and whether anything in their lives is “science be damned.”
  • Clairvoyants, mediums, and old-school spiritual gifts are considered—stories are swapped about “random black ladies” knowing your future and the authenticity of certain psychics.
  • Joe expresses belief that every human has a superpower, and sometimes people’s “gift” is real intuition.
  • Flip plays the skeptic, but even he concedes the power of relatability.

Quotes:

• "I believe that all humans come from God...all humans do have a superpower...It's up to us...to find out what that is...clairvoyance...is just one of the things." — Joe Budden ([123:15])
• "I've sat with some where I felt like they were a scammer." — Joe Budden ([126:09])

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8. Quick Hits: Entertainment and Pop Culture

• Jay Electronica no-shows gigs: The group debates whether this is disrespectful to fans/promoters or worthy of compassion.
• Flowers & Romance: Segment with Ish calling his girlfriend on-air to prove he buys her flowers every two weeks—leads to jokes about who’s more romantic.
• Kai Cenat’s streamer comeback: Flip shouts him out.
• Kasanet and Drewski drama: The Internet speculates, Flip addresses it.
• Banter about brunches, shows (Nemesis/Fall of the House of Usher commentary), and the crew’s preferences for dining/drinking:
  • Black vs. white brunch (chicken & waffles vs. scones/frittata)
  • Drinks: Mimosas, Bellinis, Bloody Marys
• Cardi B’s Finals Halftime Show: Mixed reviews but big deal for NY rap fans.
• Hov’s surprise shows: Rumors of a Jay-Z album, multi-night stadium returns, and speculation on what “magic” he might bring to Yankee Stadium.

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9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On faking sick days:
  "Shout out to everybody listening to this right now. Home on a sick day. Shout out to everybody…That pulled the wool over they boys eyes. Got one off after a weekend full of partying." — Joe Budden ([08:51])

• On system change, not just charity:
  "It's the system that produces billionaires. That's what needs to be dismantled." — Dr. Mark Lamont Hill ([111:28])

• On romance and gestures:
  "I'm tired of y’…it's one of the biggest lies ever said on this podcast. But because we respect them, we don't say nothing about it." — Joe Budden ([78:47])

• On the “spin”: "This is where most men die. Right there. This would be good, you know, you'd have a good time…She told this dude… 'You know what I like about you? How much you like me.'" — Joe Budden ([137:07])

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10. Key Timestamps

• 00:00-05:00 — Flip’s Trinidad recap, sneakers, homecoming vibes.
• 04:19-08:00 — “Caught in the rain”: clowning Ice for missing show with old-school excuses.
• 29:35-51:44 — Full NBA Finals breakdown: Trump at MSG, city chaos, Knicks analysis, celebrity sightings (Cardi B, Law & Order, DJ Khaled).
• 89:41-106:53 — Relationship segment: long-term love, marriage vs. happiness, second marriages.
• 108:23-115:18 — Billionaires debate: capitalism, redistributive fantasy, role of philanthropy.
• 134:08-145:07 — Daphne Joy x Akademiks segment: “spin” play-by-play, ego, modern dating.
• 119:02-124:46 — Science, spirituality & superstition: clairvoyance, “gifts,” and intuition stories.
• 154:58-159:20 — Black vs. white brunches: food/dining/jokes.
• 176:35-178:18 — Michael Jackson Netflix doc, Avery Wilson at MSG, covers vs. originals in music.
• 180:14-end — Closing laughs, outro (Freddie Jackson’s “You Are My Lady”).

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Summary Takeaways

• Vibe:
  The episode blends comedy, clowning, sports passion, and intelligent debate. It highlights both the joys and ridiculousness of everyday adulthood while keeping pop culture, music, and sports at the center. The crew’s chemistry is in full effect—especially when the conversation veers from jokes to sharp, meaningful takes on community, relationships, and the world.

• Memorable Threads:

  • Ice’s “rain hangover” excuse as new pod lore.
  • The NYC/NBA Finals cultural explosion.
  • The “spin” — how even the sharpest guys can get played by a pretty face.
  • Honest, sometimes vulnerable takes on marriage, aging, happiness, and billionaire guilt.

• Language/Tone:
  The language remains direct, colloquial, and playful with interruptions, mutual clowning, and organic segues typical of this friend group’s style. Their candor makes for both insightful and laugh-out-loud moments.

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For New or Missed Listeners

This episode encapsulates what longstanding fans love about JBP: inside jokes, personal storytelling, social critique wrapped in humor, and sharp commentary on music, sports, and relationships. If you didn’t listen, you’ll feel brought up to speed and in on the best laughs, debates, and cultural moments of the week.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. I can make a business call. You're not getting the rent, dog. Turn this off. Who are you calling? You late and calling Mark. Yo, it's never gonna happen.

[Parks]

What's not gonna happen?

[Joe Budden]

I watch Mark and. Come on, turn this on. Come on, let's go. Let him do his business. I watched Mark and Mona's rewind episode, available right now on the Joe Button Patreon. Please subscribe if you have yet to do so. And they were just talking about ways we can hear that, ways in which we could make the workday shorter. And Mark and I were having a spirited conversation about that because we were the first two people here, not counting Erickson. And as the minutes went, God just kind of answered Mark as to why those things couldn't happen. I see. That's all. My boy is back. Yeah. Welcome back.

[Parks]

We missed you, man.

[Flip]

I'm here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo. I love them sneaks, man.

[Flip]

Thank you, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I appreciate the joints from.

[Flip]

I got it from Trinidad. Somebody gave it to me. Somebody gave it to me. That was kind of the rock, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They just gave you them sneakers.

[Ish]

They knew your size?

[Flip]

I told them my size.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. It was like a coordinated giveaway.

[Flip]

He said, yo, I do these special sneakers. What's your size? I told them my size.

[Joe Budden]

What's your size?

[Flip]

10 and a half. My size is your size, man.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't. No, no, I don't wear ten and a half.

[Flip]

It's your size. Whatever size you want it to be.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying, you could have got me up here. They look nice. You look good.

[Flip]

I appreciate it, man.

[Joe Budden]

Well, your outfit, I'm happy I don't

[Flip]

look it in the face.

[Joe Budden]

No, your face looks fine.

[Flip]

Oh. So what you about to say?

[Joe Budden]

There was a point where my mom was calling me. I told you she asked for your number.

[Flip]

Yeah. She never called me.

[Joe Budden]

Did I send it? I don't know if I sent it, but she was calling me to say, yo, I wanna hit flip. Tell him he looking good, he's slimming down, know what he's doing? But I'm proud of him. And she wanted to big up one of your skits. You did, but.

[Flip]

Michael Jackson joke.

[Joe Budden]

You told me. But the food Is good in Trinidad.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I gave it back. I gave it back.

[Flip]

I did. I was eating a lot of KFC out there, boy.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of kfc. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of KFC out there. That's what you was eating?

[Ish]

It tastes different too.

[Flip]

Yeah, Mad good, boy. I was. Yeah. You know, but that's just easy.

[Joe Budden]

But the kfc, I don't know, it don't normally sit on your body because you eat that kind of on the go. That's the go food. It's fast food. You look like I sat there, somebody

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

was making you home cooked meals.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this looked like home cooked. This look like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yo, we gotta stop that,

[Joe Budden]

yo. Now you mooning me.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Look at my boy. Look at my boy. Yo, Flip is back, yo. I'm super excited about this.

[Flip]

Blood on the couch.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Corey sitting here, you know. Corey be doing on this couch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's makeup, too. Yeah, hopefully it's makeup.

[Flip]

What's up, man? I feel good to be back. It's good to see you guys.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How's the St. Paul's School for Children?

[Flip]

It's not that there's no school for children, but the community center is the community center.

[Ish]

The Marcus Garvey Community Center.

[Flip]

Yeah. No, everything is going good with Trinidad, man. What I did is that real quick. I just drove around the whole Trinidad and I was giving out gifts, PS5s and slides and, you know, I had some sponsorships and that's what I was doing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

For 14 hours. 15 hours. The video will be out tomorrow.

[Ish]

You drove around in a car?

[Flip]

No, music truck.

[Joe Budden]

15 hours of video you dropping.

[Flip]

15 hours was the trip, but I'm not gonna drop the 15 hour video.

[Joe Budden]

So some. So. So some hours of the trip won't be a part of the content. He was giving out something else.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Does he think he talking to.

[Joe Budden]

That was up all night on that. What's the editing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Premiere Pro.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was up all night on Premiere Pro, boy.

[Parks]

All right, take.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, I'm glad you back.

[Flip]

Thank you very much.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sick.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad you're back. Ice is out sick.

[Parks]

He got caught in the rage.

[Joe Budden]

Don't applaud, audience.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, he not out sick.

[Joe Budden]

I heard y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was sick. Homesick.

[Flip]

Oh, he was here today.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ice was here before everybody else.

[Parks]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, well, kind. I mean, so Ice came in and he plopped down on the couch, and I just thought he had a rough night. Like he was tired, you know what I mean? And he said, I'm barely making it. And we was like, what's up? You good? And he was like, ah, man, I feel like shit. I got caught in the rain.

[Flip]

He drove one of those. He taking. He took back to the 90s.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, first my first thought was, what rain?

[Joe Budden]

I'm getting mad again. As Marty even tell the story.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was like, what rained? Cause it didn't rain today or yesterday.

[Parks]

It rained Saturday. Crazy. For like a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A solid 20 minutes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I just forget that

[Parks]

we have the weather rap on our phone.

[Joe Budden]

I just forget that we work with him. And me too. I follow him across socials.

[Parks]

That's true, too.

[Joe Budden]

So the last thing he said at work was, it's my baby free weekend and I'm about to fucking light it up out there. Me. I know what that means, so. All right, cool. I'm hitting his story every day, trying to live vicariously through him from the house.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Cause when it's hot out, I want to be in the house under the fucking central air. Boy, he was everywhere, painting the town red. He went to trap karaoke. 17,000 people spitting all over you, singing Carl Thomas, I wish I never met her. He went to a watch party for the Knicks a couple of nights ago. How I know? He text me.

[Parks]

He invited you?

[Joe Budden]

No, I was at the game.

[Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

He texted me during the game. Let my silence speak for me. And the text said, is your man? Yeah, don't look away. Your friend, yo, such and such is having a watch party across the street from the Garden. But, man, they got these. These blocks shut down everywhere. They won't even let you win unless you got a ticket. Send me a picture of your ticket.

[Parks]

Oh, shit,

[Ish]

genius.

[Joe Budden]

I said, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's an ice move, too.

[Joe Budden]

The huh was for him to gather himself and read how the text came off. Texting is difficult because you don't know how you coming off.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

So the huh, he doubled down, yo, send me your ticket. So I waited a couple minutes. Then right as he said, never mind. I got in. I sent it to him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a joke.

[Joe Budden]

I sent it to him soon as he said he didn't need it. Got it right for you, big dog. But my point to you is, I was at the Garden last night. That shit was a hell hold to being a shit show. You were going to get sick.

[Parks]

What time did you have to get to the Garden?

[Joe Budden]

I'll tell you right after the intro music. But for I used to come in here and say, yo, I'm sick, I'm dying. I can't breathe. Cause of the rain.

[Ish]

No, he said he ain't Even get no sleep.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said he woke up at 2am

[Ish]

with chills all night. That's what he told me.

[Parks]

That's a bad hangover.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a lot of things. Hangover, flu, cold.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I missed you. That right there is why I missed you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll tell you what it's not. It's not the rain.

[Joe Budden]

A few of y' all have this uncanny ability to look at me and just already know what type of time I'm on. Maybe from years of the camaraderie and

[Parks]

chemistry we've been building or similar mindsets in some people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's a run for the.

[Joe Budden]

So we sent him home because we didn't want to get sick. My old. We could be thrown off if I'm sick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Kids and the huckins and wifey and yada yada, yada. So he left, but you caught him on the way down. Ish. Did you pull him to the side? Because we. Are we a tight friend group. Did you say? Yo, man, you got to tighten up. It's important. Important day to day at work. Joe was relying on us.

[Ish]

I did not.

[Flip]

Fuck.

[Ish]

He didn't tell me to rank. He didn't tell me to rank.

[Flip]

What, he told you? Yo?

[Ish]

Yeah, he told me a little different story.

[Daphne Joy]

Oh.

[Ish]

But it's cool. I'm not saying it like that. No, he said he came in. No, he said he came in. You looked at his face and told him to go home. Cause of how he looked.

[Flip]

That's what he said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean. No. Call that nigga. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

That didn't happen.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It didn't happen like that.

[Flip]

Freeze.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Freeze came in and said, I'm sick. And I got sick with the rain. And we always looking at each other. That's what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, shout out to everybody listening to this right now. Home on a sick day. Shout out to everybody right now listening to this. That pulled the fucking wool over they boys eyes. Got one off after a late night or a weekend full of partying.

[Flip]

Huh.

[Joe Budden]

When the hangover hit a little too hard or the argument went longer than it was supposed to. I can't go to work if I'm arguing with my girl. I can't.

[Flip]

Some of those be going long.

[Joe Budden]

I could body the argument, but her arguing will fuck up how ill I am in all the other areas of my life. So now I'm just a piece of shit all over the board. So I got to go fix it now.

[Parks]

I'm pretty sure you've come to work during an argument.

[Joe Budden]

I have.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I Have.

[Joe Budden]

And I know that because I watched the Mark and Mona rewind where they. Where they just got into it about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We must've been starting crazy.

[Joe Budden]

My many mood swings and how difficult it is to work with Joe when he's in a mood.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I'm sure we gave it up. I'm sure it was all true, but.

[Joe Budden]

But I gotta start looking at these rewinds as soon as I try to give some freedom.

[Flip]

What?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. What? Yeah, you hurt yourself. No, seriously. By not being present while y' all film rewind. Because that would be a different outcome. Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't mean like I'm some type of dictator. Look at you, ready to fight me. You've been ready to fight me a lot lately. We're gonna start. Me, you. You.

[Ish]

You not watching the right shit back.

[Joe Budden]

You. You not watching nothing back. You been. You've been.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, you're not watching the right back, bro. It's cool, though. You my man. I love you so much that we'll never fight.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. This ain't even the song.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got some New York, New York music. You got some Paul Angelo Sinatios. What you got today for us?

[Joe Budden]

Nothing.

[Ish]

Ugk. Y' all got nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All my exes live in Texas.

[Flip]

Something.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I don't have nothing. Never seen a man cry. This is crazy. I have none of that. Nope, none of that, man. I got easy breezy, comforting, relaxing music. Nice springtime music to let my fellow Knicks fans know that everything is okay.

[Parks]

Listen, Knicks in five, maybe six.

[Joe Budden]

Knicks in six, man. Nicks in six. Olega went from four to. You had it two games.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They beat you that bad?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, listen. They beat some doubting in your.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They beat a whole. Watch the game out of that.

[Parks]

I want that nigga to be down now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying. He said Nixon four down. Nixon six.

[Parks]

I think he's ruling for the six. He wanted to win at home.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he doing. Yeah, I want the six. I want the six. Laker fan. Sixer fan.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a Spurs fan.

[Joe Budden]

Watch y' all mouth still. Watch y' all mouth still. It's still Knicks Nation out here. Salutations. So glad y' all could be here with us today, man. Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies. Shout out to our brother Ice, here with us in Spain.

[Parks]

Spirit, indeed.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the parents listening. Shout out to the children. Everybody getting ready for prom out there. Everybody getting ready to graduate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, all the sororities out there, all the gang members. Shout out to y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All, yo, yo to the noobs, all

[Joe Budden]

the scammers and the doughboys. Everybody in jail right now. Everybody traveling international, everybody domestic, everybody partying right now. E,

[Flip]

I guess you got under my skin.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the content creators out there, all the musicians, all the podcasters, all the engineers out there,

[Ish]

all

[Joe Budden]

execs and all that,

[Flip]

And look down upon us with forgiveness for all the

[Joe Budden]

sins we will have.

[Flip]

Know that you not right but I

[Joe Budden]

like what I like. You've never heard of Joe, buddy,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But

[Flip]

you come with one.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, sir.

[Flip]

And you know my other side and

[Joe Budden]

that make it hard to hide. I don't want to catch you hey,

[Flip]

don't make me have to spend again

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

for you

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the playlist baddies out there. Here you go.

[Flip]

Found my way back to God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate to have to s again

[Joe Budden]

for you

[Flip]

Just meet me in the middle I'm not the same person you

[Joe Budden]

shout out to all the watch parties out there on R B parties way down there.

[Flip]

And I love everything about you. Is. I need you in my life.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, I'm ready.

[Flip]

Don't make it right. I don't want to catch a fight

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

don't make me have to spend again for you.

[Flip]

Just found my way back to God

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'd hate to have to s again

[Flip]

for you Just meet me in the middle. You love me in the center and I love everything about you.

[Joe Budden]

Mike Shag 1, 2, 1, 2. Mike Shag. 1, 2, 1, 2. Who is that? Who is that?

[Flip]

I'm from the Weber Nitty era.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the network.

[Joe Budden]

What episode is this?

[Parks]

936.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome to episode 936 of the JOE Button podcast, brought to you by a few by Powered by Prize Picks. Prize picks gang here. I'm your humble gracious grape. Extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Budden here with some really amazing people to my right. You know the vibe. Fresh back from giving away turkeys and feliz the underserved Trinidad kids. We was giving away Campbell's soup to niggas in need. We was on the highway, hopping out the car, seeing a little starving head. Take some Campbell for content, right? You know what I mean? Make some noise. Queens get the money. Queens flipping the building.

[Flip]

Good to be here, man. Feels good to be here. I'm trying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm ready to turn up, baby word. Me too, man. Next to him, Philly's finest. I can't wait to get my hands on his dumb ass T shirt. Pressure make Some noise. Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in the building. Mark. Mark. How you doing, man?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'll clap for this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I guess it's okay. My life is back together. Wifey's home. We enjoyed a wonderful, wonderful weekend. Not together, but weekend. Birthday weekend. It was great.

[Flip]

Get back in the crib.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She was out the country, man. She home.

[Joe Budden]

Life is back. Look at him. Look at him smiling. I never even seen them side teeth before.

[Flip]

I thought you was missing them.

[Joe Budden]

Shit, he got his white back, see? And that's what I'm telling Flip about. But we'll talk about it.

[Flip]

Hey, bitch ass nigga, what you talking about?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tell him go when you get your wife, man.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

Me too. Saying the same shit. It's good to have wives that we all love.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right.

[Flip]

And we adore and we admire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Flip]

You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly, man.

[Joe Budden]

Like some motherfucking engagement rings done went up since the last time I went looking. I'll tell you that much. It has been. You don't get the same for 15k no more. Hey, hey,

[Parks]

yo.

[Joe Budden]

I killed the game. My last proposal.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, it was a time when 15k got it done.

[Joe Budden]

I swear to God. They think I'm bullshitting. The 90s. No, no, no, no. Not the 90s.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's 2010.

[Joe Budden]

You can still get it done. Yes, yes, it is. You don't think so? 2014, 15.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You talk to the right dude for

[Joe Budden]

15, 25 grand, your girl gonna look like Queen Elizabeth.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, long she don't go. Long she don't go. What's the point? To check the value of them.

[Parks]

Appraiser.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Appraiser.

[Joe Budden]

But you never checked the prices of this stuff. Yes, I did.

[Ish]

And that shit wasn't.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you checked the price and left, right? That was high back then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

Went back to this girl. Yo, you want me to pay your credit cards or what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Either get engaged or to pay your cards.

[Joe Budden]

You want me to get rid of this debt?

[Flip]

Remember he said that shit?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I gave her.

[Flip]

I gave her options for our birthday.

[Joe Budden]

He said that shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want a gift or you want.

[Joe Budden]

He. He's such a man's man.

[Flip]

Different.

[Joe Budden]

We put the pressure on that white lady. She chose the right. She chose the right thing, too. She's like, dog, cover the debt. Hey, you going bank on the whites to do the right. Hey, take care of this debt. She ain't want no Chanel Van Cleef. Yo, I got to give me.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, yo, this Nigga's crazy, son.

[Joe Budden]

Look at this nigga. He on doing what the he want to do. Yo, he walked right out of David Yurman. All right.

[Ish]

No, that's cool.

[Joe Budden]

The longer you wait, the more them shit's gonna go up. Unless it's moist tonight or. Or the other.

[Flip]

I can't see my man doing moisty,

[Joe Budden]

which the diamond people are trying to talk you into now. Like the doctors did Zepbound. And they think. They think people were slow and don't notice?

[Ish]

No, I think they.

[Joe Budden]

You could clearly tell that the diamond people are incentivized differently. If they get you to purchase one of these versus one of those, I'm

[Parks]

sure there's more marching in.

[Ish]

I'm sure they mark up his house.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, but cover it up. Yo, the scammer, yo, when my mom was selling Mary Kay or whatever that was when going door to door, like, the pitch had to be, like, a believable pitch. Today they just saying whatever.

[Ish]

So what they trying to talk to you?

[Joe Budden]

They're not subtle. They want you to get labs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The lab is the move, bro.

[Ish]

I'm not lying. I just was. I was at the gym, and. And it was a jeweler. Dude,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

what should we doing in the gym?

[Joe Budden]

Don't look at me when he's talking.

[Flip]

Don't do that, bro. Don't do that. Mark, come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

Networking, bagging, the bad hot yoga.

[Flip]

He get his shit on.

[Joe Budden]

He talking. Who he talking to?

[Flip]

About the diamonds.

[Joe Budden]

He podcast, baby. Where you go?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Give me the mic.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, how you doing?

[Ish]

No, the niggas was talking about, like. Like it's a waste of money now to buy natural diamonds. They like, yo, the lab shits are damn near identical. They got all the tests, and it's real diamonds. They just made in a different process, and they're safe.

[Joe Budden]

You was at your Manosphere meeting.

[Ish]

Nah, I was just being nosy. At the gym, the niggas was talking.

[Flip]

Oh, using somebody else conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

They wasn't talking to me, but they was just like, yo, dawg, this shit is.

[Joe Budden]

You stole the whole topic and brought it to monetize

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

this thing. Can't win.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't got the topic, you get,

[Parks]

yo.

[Ish]

But no, the. Like, it's a waste of money. It don't even make sense. It's an ego thing.

[Joe Budden]

But you. But you can't wear headphones. But you can't bring it in. Like, their word is. But, like, who. Who are these? No, what they name at least.

[Ish]

Again, what I'm Telling you is the is supposedly in that.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't give a what them saying unless I know they not care about what you said. I just. What you think?

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Parks]

If you wear headphones in the gym, you just be in there.

[Joe Budden]

Raw dog in the gym.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I wear workout clothes in the gym.

[Ish]

If I'm by myself, I wear headphones with my. No.

[Parks]

Oh, okay. That's some psycho.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, I don't know what we was talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Introduce our laugh divers, man.

[Flip]

Get.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm telling. I mean, I'm not telling you what to do with your situation.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I've got some time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I have no idea. I know nothing about your situation. If y' all out there and y' all want to say it does not make a lot of sense to spend radiant at 10K.

[Joe Budden]

Don't radiate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like, if you. If you got. Because most people don't have a lot of money to spend on the ring. If you got 5,000 spend on the ring, 10,000 to spend on a ring. I'm trying to tell you a lap diamond, your shit will look amazing. If you go and spend that on something else, it's either gonna be low quality.

[Joe Budden]

In the 90s, we could coax the bitch into getting a tattoo, matching tats. And then Jay and Beyonce did it. We was really in the green. For real. That's what's going on in 01. All right, never mind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get your lab diamonds, y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Ish]

Word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anywho, Ish is here.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

Make some noise for Ish. Ish is here. Ish is here. Stop playing with it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe was joking while we were starting. But did you actually. He managed to collect that rent?

[Ish]

No, some of it, not a lot of it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How you got it?

[Flip]

They heard the pod?

[Ish]

No, the nigga's just sending me they shit. Sending me April rent.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, do you have a vacant property? You got somewhere I could. I can move in?

[Parks]

I've been meaning to not pay rent.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly, I could stash for a few with him.

[Ish]

This shit crazy now. It's an indicator, though. Oh, I don't want. The economy is up, bro. I don't want to.

[Joe Budden]

But you knew that before you wasn't getting your rent two months ago, right?

[Ish]

I know, but now it's starting to come to true. Me this different, but I don't want to pull us down.

[Joe Budden]

But yeah, that ain't going to pull me. I'm up like a. That a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He meant the show, the listeners.

[Joe Budden]

And I'M joking too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's like, I'm great.

[Joe Budden]

No, you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm joking. I cool N. I hate that I say something in market to thank you special. Anyway, I speak for all of us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't.

[Ish]

It's crazy.

[Flip]

No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Ish]

N real out here.

[Flip]

You good though, right? You good in a good position, huh, champ?

[Joe Budden]

Don't. Don't call me champ. I knock you out. Don't call me champ. I knock you all the way. I'm not playing with you.

[Flip]

He saw you.

[Joe Budden]

I'm. I'm saying the topic wouldn't bring me down, but anyway, Elm's fine. Parks happy to be boazy. Hey, boy. Here.

[Flip]

Oh, what's up, man?

[Joe Budden]

Looking like the car mascot. Boy, he don't play. He look like Hacksaw Jim Duggins nephew or some. Look like Axo Jim Duggins. Oh, my God. Anyway, Cory is here. Ericson is here. Tanner and Sat Tanner and Savon are here by remote. Last but certainly not least, each and every one of you very important people out there are here. What's poppin with y'?

[Daphne Joy]

All?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's good, yo? First we gotta give a shout out to Ice's daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Let's go, Ahrii.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to ahrii.

[Joe Budden]

Graduating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's go, kindergarten.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, big things coming for that young lady. We excited for you.

[Joe Budden]

She smart indeed.

[Ish]

Yeah, shout out to freedom.

[Joe Budden]

Smart as shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now Free's gonna go to the graduation and get everybody sick. Like every kid.

[Joe Budden]

Or you going to go there, get sick and try to come in here on a Friday talking about it rained a month ago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See, that's why Neil DeGrasse won't come. Because we say shit like that up here.

[Joe Budden]

I want to be as passionate about anything as Neil degrasse is about everything. Yes, science.

[Parks]

Yeah, science in general.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And he was saucy.

[Joe Budden]

But really specific things in science get him riled up, like, to climax.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get that talk about some planets in the zodiac.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He loses his.

[Joe Budden]

When he started talking about the extinction of dinosaurs.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And when it happened and how we know it happened. And the stegosaurus being the first one to go and how long it took for the rest of them to go.

[Parks]

I'm like, evolution. He's bigger.

[Joe Budden]

And shout out to Shannon. And that Neil DeGrasse interview is at like 1 1.8 mil in four or five days, so. And I know that that makes Neil DeGrasse happy because to see people interested in those.

[Parks]

That level conversations for those that want to nerd out. I watch his YouTube all the time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, My two favorite ones are his and for science and Professor Dave. I don't know if you're not here. Professor Dave is the other guy. He's the one that does, like, the. He debunks a lot of stuff. He debunks flat earth. He debunks the dinosaurs didn't exist shit. He debunks you.

[Joe Budden]

Always a jerk, and we done with the fuck. No, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying, like, he, like, watches people's videos, and he does, like, a reaction video, breaking down point by point.

[Parks]

Did he do us?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I asked him to on a low, but he said it didn't rise to the, like. We didn't say anything that was wrong enough or controversial enough to respond.

[Flip]

Oh, God.

[Joe Budden]

It got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We did. We did. We passed the test. But some people be saying wild shit, and he broke that shit down. But Neil is great, too. Neil's one is my absolute favorite.

[Joe Budden]

And speaking of people talking about us, Mark has brought to my attention that our good friends, Club 520, have issued a challenge.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, they want to smoke.

[Joe Budden]

They wanted to smoke to us in Family Feud.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ooh. Kind of present and past. They brought it up. Then they kind of backed it down over the course of the. We got the audio.

[Parks]

I'm down for a little trivia.

[Joe Budden]

These guys have got to be joking, right? These guys maybe was just trying to make some funnies on their show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think so.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe it was a content thing. You got the audio? Yep. You need a new phone case.

[Flip]

You got that red shit.

[Joe Budden]

That is crazy. No, no. Absolutely not. Look at that.

[Flip]

Red and blast.

[Joe Budden]

Cherry red. How you a activist with a cherry red phone?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What color is the activist phone supposed to be?

[Joe Budden]

Black, black, green, red, black and green.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You want to say red, but you realize that undermines the argument.

[Joe Budden]

Red. If you have black and green.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, it's red. For the blood of my ancestors who passed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Doing what?

[Joe Budden]

Other pop. We going against Smoke. Smoke.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We kill. Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They got they. They might be good at that. Marco.

[Flip]

My hill cannot play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He is suspended.

[Joe Budden]

Ice is. Ice might still see already. They scared. They scared of Mark. Ice is around the group.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got confident Steve Harvey.

[Joe Budden]

Line it up, man. Bring him back. Let's call somebody else out. You better.520. Y' all did the right thing, man. Don't want to see me in none of them games, though. I ain't gonna hold you. Jenga, Taboo, Family Feud, Any of them games, man. Go Ahead, any of the girls in your life, tell them to ask they aunts about what I used to do with these games. Man, stop playing. Don't kid yourself. Don't kid yourself. All right, Family Feud. I got Family Feud trophies, man. Set it up when they ready. Anyway, what do y' all want to begin? Anywhere y' all want to go, Anything y' all want to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got questions.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, this shit has been a fucking nightmare.

[Parks]

What time did you have to leave your house?

[Joe Budden]

What time did I leave my house? All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

To get to the Knicks game.

[Joe Budden]

So I had a plan. My plan was to leave at once. I saw Stephen A. On TV on First Take saying that after his radio show ends at 3pm he's heading straight to the Garden. Because all of the credentials you need and how difficult it is to move around. I'm like, shit, well, we better get it moving. So at 2:45, my plan was to go get something to eat, go shop a little bit, go to Bergdorf. Yeah, Saks. And then head over there.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

Mad early, but we ran a little late for reasons I won't say. So we just.

[Parks]

I know what they are.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, there we go. So we just went to eat, and then we. We ran over there. We went to eat. We went to Legos. That was great. So what's that? Fucking 3:30 to 5:30, I'm eating. And it was smooth over there. That's Times Square. It was smooth getting over there. Everything was smooth so far. And then we go to the Garden.

[Parks]

Not smooth.

[Ish]

It ain't that far away neither.

[Parks]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we went 9th Ave. The blockage is from 30th to 35th. Between 7th and 8th.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So we went down 9th Avenue. He let us out on 31st. Barricades everywhere. Police everywhere. White House, Secret Service everywhere. Black Escalades everywhere. Fuck, it's just madness. But made the left one. 31st and 9th walk down, and that's where all the madness is. That's where all the Nick fans groups, and you can't cross the street, street. So 31st, one side of 8th, you. You got. You can't just crush the street to the other side. You had to walk down to 29th or 28th, and the cop at 31st tells you all, all street crossings go to 29th. By the time you get to 29th, that cop has no idea what the other cop is talking about. You can't enter here. It was an absolute shit show. It was a. It was a checkpoint at every block. There were long lines and they Were all different contingent upon what tickets you had. There was a long VIP line. Cause the way I normally go in. That's the VIP area.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

31st Street VIP. They ain't give a fuck about none of that. Long, long line. All VIPs. That line was back to like you had to go to 9th Avenue. I didn't know. I didn't go nowhere. I stood there online at every checkpoint. I had to rely on a cop or Secret Service person that heard pump it up. Recognizing my face, saying, hey, come on. And then you good for a block. And then I'd make a phone call and then I'd travel behind Bill Bradley's contingent of people like it was just. It was an absolute shit show. But I was in my seat by 6:30.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

That's two hours early. Two hours before tip off, the building is empty. Damn near. It's just got to watch them shoot

[Parks]

around people in street clothes still. That was. That was interesting.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. So when we lost, Mikhail Bridges had a bag and what do you have? Two points. I watched Mikel Bridges made 97 threes, contested threes before. I've been sitting here for man long. I could have swore we was about to win. Everybody was on fire. Yeah, no, it was bad. It was really. It was a really, really, really hard. It was tough getting in the building. It was tough getting out the building. It was tough just walking around. Now you got the fucking paparazzi that's normally at that VIP entrance. They spread out. So dumbass Joe Button is walking around by. Oh, shit, Joe Button. Now they follow me. I got people walking with me. I gotta stop, take pictures. I got. It's a mess. Absolute sorry you went through that.

[Ish]

Do you agree with Stephen A.

[Joe Budden]

What he said.

[Ish]

Stephen A. Said that he think it was basically callous for Donald Trump to come because it's in the middle of New York. We haven't been in the championship in 50 years. And he knows the amount of additional precautions that it's going to take for everybody to get into the game. So it was kind of selfish of him to come to the game and add all of that additional shit on to the face.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but Donald Trump is selfish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So I totally agree with that. But Donald Trump is who he is. So if he can make any moment that can be made about himself or is a media play, he's gonna be there. But then word got around that fucking the garden in 2028, the lease is up.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So they're fighting with the city because the city is trying to put this $8 billion new Penn Station.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There. And the Garden. And Dolan would need certain approvals to kind of have the Garden coincide with that. So schmooze.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And they friends.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And he's a Nick. And he's a Nick fan.

[Ish]

No, he's a New Yorker. He's a lot of.

[Joe Budden]

He's been at Nick games. It just so happens, because you're the president now.

[Parks]

It's extra.

[Joe Budden]

It changes. You've absolutely killed the entire vibe of the city.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Whether you wanted to or not. Yo, if I was the president, I ain't gonna hold you. I might have done the same thing. If it's my team, I'm coming to my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm coming.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm coming. Well, actually, no, I wouldn't have done it because I'm too fanatical about my team, but I understand him saying, I'm coming to see my team. And I'm glad it was game three and not game four. Yeah. I just wouldn't have attended that game. I would have sold them tickets. That was an absolute nightmare. I didn't get to bed till midnight.

[Flip]

Damn.

[Parks]

And you left before the game was over.

[Joe Budden]

Hell, yeah, I left. I went to.

[Ish]

How do you do that? Like, as a fan, like any sports fan. Right. If the game is close.

[Parks]

It was.

[Ish]

I'm not leaving, B. Like, I don't understand how you do it. Like, if it's a blowout, let me

[Joe Budden]

get the fuck out of here, because I'm not.

[Ish]

Let's dump it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm never leaving to leave. When you see me leave a couple

[Ish]

minutes before just to avoid the bullshit.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm hitting the TV near my closest exit, and I'm finishing the game by the tv. I didn't leave. And now I don't know what's going on in. I just want to be able to beat everybody on my way out. Because if you get caught on that block the wrong way, it'll take you 90 minutes.

[Ish]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

And that's not. That's not worth it to me. But the Knicks look like absolute. In that game, and. And honestly, I can't blame. The vibe was off. You killed the watch parties. You killed Nick fans. Being able to celebrate. We were just busy fighting police and Secret Service people.

[Parks]

Yeah, that's whack.

[Joe Budden]

And Garden employees were having trouble getting. People had trouble getting in there last night.

[Parks]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

And then when I fight through all of the lines and the checkpoints and the police and I get where I'm supposed To go because it's so early, they don't have the ticket scanner.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

It's so early, they don't have the ticket scanner. We just standing there now. That shit absolute nightmare. I cannot blame the Knicks for looking like they did.

[Parks]

How was it once you got in the building? Was it increased measures inside the building, too? Like, what's the game?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, you in there, you in there. Okay, once you in there, you in there. Which is odd because James Dolan already got that new security system where he's watching everybody. But once you. Yeah, but once you in there, you in there, everything is cool. But you can feel the presence of the Secret Service White House President Preparation before he get here. It's hundreds of people, the people that normally work here. I've been here all year. Yeah, everybody looks stressed. Damn, Everybody in that building looks stressed last night.

[Ish]

I'm surprised there wasn't no people in there when y' all came in, huh? Like you said, you got there two hours early. I'm surprised they didn't have, like, secrets.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, whoever was doing inside the Barkley and all them niggas was there, like, fans. Spike Lee was there. Tracy Morgan was there. Like, people were there. But in terms of fans and what this building should feel like. No, really. No, you can't get in.

[Ish]

The city's on fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it'll be on fire once he leaves. Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

No, it's the fandom around New York. I haven't seen this, if ever. And again, I'm old. I was around when Anthony May. I'm around when them niggas was playing Jordan and them in the. At Easter Conference Finals and all of that. It wasn't this show. This is some other.

[Parks]

I went to Governor's Ball, and even there it was, the energy was high. All the acts were up there, like, yo, go next.

[Flip]

Go, Nick.

[Joe Budden]

New Yorkers have been greeting each other all week, saying, good morning. How are you?

[Ish]

Like, we in Arkansas.

[Joe Budden]

Go, Nicks. Yo, the amount of years I let out, just walking a couple blocks, New Yorkers is tired, not talking to each other, in a good mood and spirit. So for him to come and do that, dog, it's like. It's tough. Being a Knick fan, I almost preferred for them to be on the road. I'm not mad at the road teams, and no home team has won thus far. But there's a peace that comes with being on the road, away from your family and friends, not eating your snacks in your cupboard, like. Like locking in, totally being full. I don't know what the. The Knicks was doing last night.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't know what they was doing. One, two. They wrestling out there. The spurs is them up. And we lost. We lost. We played a horrible game, and the spurs did whatever they want. I'm not blaming nothing on refs. And I actually understand it.

[Parks]

I like letting them play. I like letting them play. Some of the. Some of the shit is egregious.

[Ish]

Too much, bro. Some of this. All three games, to be honest with you, they are really letting them rock.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love it.

[Ish]

That is something different.

[Joe Budden]

If you don't let him do that, then you may. You may have a sweep. I feel like the last two games, Adam Silver has been actively combating the sweep because it's the NBA Finals. We making a lot of money. I got the two teams I want here. I know you can. You're not sweeping, we're not letting you sweep. Hey, I understand that, too.

[Ish]

No, but I.

[Joe Budden]

Last night, I had all the time to ponder and pontificate. I understand it. If it wasn't my team in the Finals, I would be saying, more games.

[Parks]

I'm rooting for the Knicks, but I actually want more games, too. I don't care.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm rooting against the Knicks, but I want more guys. I wanted six games regardless, just for

[Ish]

the series, but there's a lot of other people that feel the total opposite. Like, a lot of people feel like the Knicks is getting away with murder. The Knick fans are feeling like San Antonio's getting away with the murder, but the overall general consensus is like, yo, they letting them beat them the fuck up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but anybody watching the free throw discrepancy, it would be hard to argue that Mike Brown spent a lot of time talking about, yo, they shot 24 free throws in the second half to our eight. So you talking about. Y' all call it four fouls. It's a physical game. We're fouling them for sure, but they're fouling us, and they not fouling. Wimby is mushing and throwing to the ground. Castle is wrestling. Yo, I love it, too. But that's gonna get the Knicks on their game. I'm from the 90s, dog. The same thing the spurs did to the Thunder. Mike Brown needs to call Hockin, Porty or one of them niggas socom one of them off the end of the bench to come in and clothesline a spur. Yeah, I don't understand what's going on out here. Clothesline a spur, stab somebody, punch one of them in the face. Because sometimes it's the finals. Yo, finals. We're not bitching about physicality. It's the finals. But sometimes you gotta punch one of them in the face for the rest to even review and see that something happened to you. Like Wimby did that to Jalen Brunson.

[Ish]

That was different.

[Joe Budden]

He got his face. Hey, dog, the refs ain't looking at none of your little sock his ass like Alvarado. They'll say, whoa, why'd he do that? And then they'll go back and they look, oh, he body slammed him on the garden. On the garden floor.

[Ish]

He mushed him like a little.

[Joe Budden]

He did. Nah, for real. No, they was making me mad. They'd make me mad. I'm sitting behind fucking Elliot and what's my law and order, people? My law. Oh, yeah, that's her real name. I'm trying. What's her fucking name in the show. I got a brain freeze.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Olivia.

[Joe Budden]

Olivia. I'm sitting right behind Elliot and Olivia.

[Parks]

That's fire.

[Flip]

That's mad fire.

[Joe Budden]

Before the game started, everybody was saying, was that you, Joe? You, you, you. And one of the you. It was Malik Rose.

[Parks]

Oh, oh. Heard that little in the pod.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I be forgetting. Sometimes I just gotta shut up. I gotta just shut up. So what you said about. I gotta shut up? Yeah, but. Cause I heard that. But that don't mean that you get to come in here. Anyway, Malik Rose said, hey, Joe, man, let me talk to you. Come on, let me talk to you. No, he was in a great mood. He was in a great mood. Smile. It's not a. It's not one of those. But he was in such a great mood that already I felt bad about what I didn't remember that I said. And he pulled me to the side, said, I'm not. And he said, joe, I love your show. I love everything you guys do in spite of, like, y' all so great. I don't even care that you said the shit, but I have to tell you, I'm not. Not only am I not gay, I never been gay. Nobody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just to clarify, I.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody ever assumed I was gay. It's been me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Just running my. My stupid mouth on a bro. It's talking. Cause y' all have topics one day. I don't know.

[Flip]

So you just throw gayness on somebody?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, it was fat. No, I thought. Don't blame us, though. No, that's flagrant. That's flagrant. Nah, I owned up to that. Listen, though, for real. Yeah.

[Flip]

This tall right here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said that.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's my man. He's stupid. Absolutes. We are. He was great. I said, you know what, Malik? I'm coming to work tomorrow to tell the world you ain't gay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You ain't gay,

[Joe Budden]

though.

[Ish]

Yo. I'm gonna give you one go.

[Joe Budden]

But he kept saying he was absolutely so. Such as we. Yo, I'm not asking you to clear nothing up. I'm not. But I know that you said that. I gotta tell you, because I know you're talking shit up there. Right? Go ahead. Get your shit off.

[Parks]

Come on.

[Flip]

Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

I am asking you to clear it up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

But clear that shit up. So. Yo, anybody out there listening? Malik Rose. If you know Malik Rose is not gay. Former, Nick. Cause he in there talking, go Spurs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's both. He talking about, didn't he win a championship with the Spurs?

[Joe Budden]

He said. That's what he said. I want to ring with the Spurs. I guess that matters.

[Parks]

Yeah, But.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah. Malik Rose is not gay. Has never been gay. And I don't know why the fuck I said that.

[Flip]

Trolling.

[Parks]

Whoopsie daisy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Sorry, Blake.

[Joe Budden]

That's probably like when people be putting that shit on me.

[Flip]

No, but you said you were putting on yourself.

[Joe Budden]

All right, guys.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

BLEEP is mind his own business doing Mikey and Rick.

[Joe Budden]

And you call him gay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You actually say shit.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Anyway. Absolute shit show, man. I ain't gonna nick nobody to death. Oh, my bad. Absolute shit show. Know. Won't happen again.

[Parks]

I think they should have played the clown music for their lineup, too.

[Joe Budden]

I told you that they weren't gonna do that.

[Ish]

They should have played, though.

[Joe Budden]

They shouldn't.

[Parks]

The clown that San Antonio did.

[Joe Budden]

No, they shouldn't. The clown music during the intro. I told you that. We're not doing that at the Garden now.

[Parks]

If you put the. No, I'm not saying they should have did it for San Antonio. They should have done it for themselves. It. You want to put the clown music. And we whooped y' all ass for two straight games. Clown music the whole rest of the time.

[Joe Budden]

Not at all, buddy. That next intro was literally that. That. That next bit. The building we was trying. Yo. It couldn't have been no more celebrity. It was celebrated out.

[Ish]

And I don't. I don't think y' all played that bad.

[Parks]

They didn't play bad at times.

[Joe Budden]

We could have won. We could have won. While sloppy. But they opened the game with three turnovers.

[Parks]

If Bridges and Chamette had showed up a little bit more, I think, and Deuce Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not letting Deuce. Deuce Bridges. Chamette and. And Cat was quieter than we'd like him to be.

[Parks]

Chamette missed all them threes. He made all them threes with every series.

[Ish]

But at the same token, now you got OG that goes crazy. You got Hart that does he his thing. You got people. You get what I'm saying? I think the Knicks are a really, really good. I don't want them to win, but I think they are really, really good team. I think they solid and I think that they're so.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand east coast to say that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say what?

[Parks]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want them to win.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't understand the root for the Celtics.

[Joe Budden]

I don't understand.

[Parks]

That's division, Rob. I don't understand. Tell the truth as a Laker, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I'm clearly built different because, yes, I

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

could never root for the Knicks. If it weren't for y', all, I'd probably.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I was in here when the Celtics won, saying, yo, I can't lie. The Celtics have a lot of people that I personally like and root for.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I love most of the people on the Celtics.

[Joe Budden]

I want them to win. When my team is out of it, I want the gang to. So I want the Eastern Conference to always do something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't look that way. I think about division rivalry a lot. For example, in football, I never want the Cowboys to win. I never want the Giants to win.

[Ish]

I don't want the Cowboys.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm never going for them to win. I don't care who they playing.

[Joe Budden]

See, I would want the Cowboys. Cowboys to win. Even with the division. Even they're playing division. Ry. Because I know too many Cowboys fans never.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And for me, it's the opposite. And that's how I feel about it.

[Joe Budden]

I want him to have a smorcel of happiness.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, you don't.

[Joe Budden]

Not at work, but in his life. Go ahead.

[Ish]

I would never root for the Giants. The Redskins. Oh, pardon me.

[Joe Budden]

What you'd have been doing in the White House.

[Flip]

You know what he'd been doing on the way I was phone.

[Joe Budden]

What I would have been doing the White House. That house that Michael Irvin and them had right behind that.

[Parks]

That White House.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, and they named it White House for they go that foot. Get the tapping.

[Ish]

I wouldn't have been in the White House.

[Joe Budden]

Or I might some White Houses. I might have been in a few.

[Ish]

But nah, I just. I'm just not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Joe Budden]

Go, Nicks.

[Ish]

Man, I'm A real fan.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here's other things. Sorry interrupt you. It's just part of it. And I said this last week, but now I feel more reinforced. New York fans are garbage. I watched a video last night, it was bad. Of New York Knicks fans beating somebody ass for wearing a Spurs jersey.

[Parks]

Gotta hear both sides.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta hear what he did.

[Ish]

They showed it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He wore a Spurs jersey.

[Ish]

Wore a Spurs jersey. And they started.

[Parks]

But what did he do before?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He was breezy.

[Ish]

He sound like a Republican.

[Joe Budden]

And you chill out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What was he wearing?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, chill out, bro.

[Parks]

Y' all talking about what he's wearing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he might have been talking shit

[Parks]

because they just won.

[Joe Budden]

And now Mark echoes a lot of right wing talking points. Here we go. Trump incites violence in every other area of Mark's life except for this one game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, watch the video.

[Joe Budden]

We've been having peaceful Nick parties because y' all won. A couple of spurs fans. We just chased him a little bit. We shot in the air, got him out of. But the second Trump comes in town, it's a different energy over the city, y'. All. I'm blaming Trump. I know fans out there blaming me.

[Ish]

If the spurs dude was walking down the street and y' all just beat him by 30, y' all wouldn't have ripped the jersey and started beating them up. Y' all would have teased them, laughed at him. Might have, you know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But y' all wouldn't have.

[Joe Budden]

Wouldn't get that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The boys first get beverages at him.

[Ish]

They was throwing shit on the dude

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

like there was all kinds of wild shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, nigga, move. New York ain't the place to play like that. Yo, stop with your little spurs dirty.

[Ish]

Totally contradictory last night.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying it's a. What was I saying?

[Ish]

You said, yo, that shit is whack. We don't exhibit ourselves like that. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Flip]

Nobody want to see anybody get beat up.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to see nobody get beat up. That. However. However, you have to behave in a manner that don't get you beat up. Are you saying that running to the middle of time square with a Spurs jersey after a win doesn't seem right? And that's all I don't have. I'm not going to nick nobody down. They be killing me. They say that and talk for 40 minutes about the day I'm done with the Knicks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This ain't about the Knicks. This is about New Yorkers being garbage.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I just don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

New York sports fans, I think we

[Joe Budden]

some of the greatest fans in the World.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think so, too.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that.

[Flip]

Something that you guys never seen before.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Part of being a great sports fan is the intensity.

[Ish]

That is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Philly, New York, Boston, I think are, for me, the top three.

[Joe Budden]

I agree.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And all of them, there's a chance that you're gonna get your ass whooped if you wear some shit that they don't like. So, again, that happens everywhere, especially Boston. Oh, Boston, New York. You might get hanged in Boston. But I'm just saying, when I watch New York. That's why I can't root for New York fans, because y' all do shit like that. Y' all don't act like y' all been there before. Y' all ain't got the.

[Ish]

But they have it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said act like it. We ain't been there neither. 6 81's 83. But we ain't gonna. We ain't gonna whoop somebody ass if they wear. You never had a dick's jersey. I mean, good Lord, y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y' all ain't even won two games in the finals, right? See, that's the part of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We've won a championship more recently than y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. That's the part of Nick's elitist ship that I do enjoy. I'm telling, yo, man, be. Stay patient. You'll make a conference final one day. Man, like, it's levels, it's steps.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is why we don't like that.

[Joe Budden]

No, we did that last year. The heartbreaking loss, where you gotta learn from it. You'll get there. Whatever.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One question about Trump. When you were in there, when the booing.

[Joe Budden]

We booed the shit outta Trump.

[Parks]

I can hear that on the tv.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what they was talking about. Did you hear Trump try to explain

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

it the next morning?

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't. Yeah, I saw it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, I thought it was great. They asked him, how'd you feel about the receipt? He thought it was great. He said there were a lot more cheers than boos. I think I was like, not from where? Not on my tv.

[Joe Budden]

They was booing so loud, I had to join in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I knew you was gonna boo. I said you was gonna boo. I knew it.

[Joe Budden]

But I wasn't booing. No, you didn't. Yo, you. Well, first of all, put your hand

[Parks]

on your heart, too.

[Joe Budden]

My dad been texting me all week saying, just boo him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you, dad.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm like, gotcha. And I wasn't booing him for my political beliefs. I was booing him for my dad.

[Parks]

Fucking the vibe.

[Joe Budden]

No, for the shit show that I had to go through to get in this building. Which you're inconsiderate. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Boo. Boo.

[Joe Budden]

Are you crazy?

[Ish]

You booed him for the inconvenience, not

[Joe Budden]

for up the country. Yeah, I could stay quiet on that. Not like we was in the best shape when I was born. That's true. Yeah, I could. I could get used to that. Anyway, what else is important? Unimportant. Go Nicks.

[Parks]

Go Nicks.

[Joe Budden]

Go Knicks. We'll win. We'll win tonight at home. We'll lose the next one in San Antonio, and then we'll come back at home to try to win it in the Garden.

[Parks]

You shook.

[Ish]

You shook his hand.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You shook some hands in there, though.

[Joe Budden]

All right, come on, Mark. And I know Mark is on bullshit. That's why I've tried to get us out of this Knick segment. Go ahead, Mark. Are you asking me? Are you telling me?

[Parks]

We asking you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, no, I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

Now it's we. We. Now it's we. I bought it. Up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Up. I'm telling you that you did it. I'm giving you an opportunity to come clean and tell us.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, it was so many people

[Flip]

there who hand you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, let me see. Let's see.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Nobody really stands out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask.

[Ish]

Let me ask a few.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask a few. So first.

[Parks]

Stabler.

[Joe Budden]

It's tough coming back to your non famous friends. Yeah, exactly. Non famous friends. Ass like, yo, who. Who's handed this? All right, come out to me. So who you want?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You. I. You certainly did the law and order thing. Big fan. Big fan. You did one of those, right? Right? Tell me you didn't. Tell me you didn't.

[Ish]

Big fan of Olivia ain't shake your hand?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She. She nodded.

[Joe Budden]

She said, if you're asking me. No, I didn't do that.

[Ish]

Joe Biden.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What was your interaction with them? Let me ask you a broader question. What was your interaction with them?

[Joe Budden]

Knicks talk. I dropped something. They picked it up. Small talk during the game.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did they know who you were?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, okay. And did you make it clear you knew?

[Joe Budden]

They're just friendly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

They're just friendly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right?

[Joe Budden]

They go to Knicks games. I'm a familiar face. I'm in the same seat all the time. They're just friendly people. They have no idea. No idea who I was.

[Ish]

You're in row two. You somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's a glizzy guy. So I'm assuming you weren't allowed into the HOV territory.

[Joe Budden]

If you're asking me If I was allowed to walk across the finals court to say hello to hov. No, I was not allowed.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so you weren't allowed in the whole.

[Parks]

Maybe before the game started.

[Ish]

You got there two hours early.

[Joe Budden]

I was in my seat at 6:30. What are y' all talking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He wasn't allow.

[Ish]

You know what I mean? You're a Def Jam affiliate.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He would have gotten tasered if he be coming up the top rope right now.

[Parks]

Oh, you like that freestyle, huh?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. Oh, man. So no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, let me go somewhere in the middle.

[Joe Budden]

So, no, I didn't speak to old Ben Stiller. So, no, I didn't speak to Ben Stiller.

[Ish]

They were on the opposite side.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't speak to Steve Stout, who was seated right next to him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, yes, he's in HOV territory. I know you didn't speak to Steve style. How about DJ Khaled? That was the one that I wondered about. By the way, Khaled was on his phone way too much during the game. Every time we watched the game, he wasn't looking at the game. It actually bothered me. And he's not a Knick fan, so that really irritates me. That was.

[Parks]

Yeah, I think he kind of fucked up the vibes a little bit, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He fucks up the vibe.

[Parks]

He not a Knicks fan.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta tell somebody not to be on their phone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not to be on their phone the whole game in the NBA Finals, dog.

[Joe Budden]

People are coming to the finals to be seen. I know they're not really coming because they big Nick fans.

[Parks]

Nah, there's a lot of big Knick fans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Famous. There's a lot of big Knicks. Larry David, was it.

[Ish]

I mean, but those are the consistent fans that you see every single game, right? Yeah, you don't see him every single game.

[Parks]

I know, too.

[Ish]

There you go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

DJ Khaled up the vibe.

[Parks]

That's all.

[Joe Budden]

It was great. Absolutely. Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he spoke back.

[Joe Budden]

I spoke to everybody seated directly in front of me. Mark. I always saw a friendly atmosphere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I saw the Law and Order people in front of you. Your seats were a little off yourself.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, actually. Nah, honestly, for real.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife pointed it out. She was like, why is. Joe, you know, she. She said, shade looks beautiful. That's the first thing she said. Second thing she said was, why is your seats a little askew?

[Joe Budden]

That's what everybody kept saying. Don't you hate when you step out and your girl steal your old shot? God damn. I ain't get a shot. I ain't get one little camera shot. But no, that's cool. Yeah. Nah. Next there was the Jewish homeboy and his son, who we've seen in Mad Games. They super cool, but tinier frames, so there's room.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And next to me in my seat was a boy that I'm assuming was autistic and his dad. So that was really exciting.

[Parks]

So how was Carti at halftime, man?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm sitting in my. I ain't get it. I ain't even go get a glizzy the whole time. Cause I'm like, Cardi is performing at halftime. I wanna see the show. She come out and do fuckin two songs that don't nobody give a fuck about.

[Parks]

She did the bodega baddie.

[Joe Budden]

She did the bodega baddie shit. Which did have it lit. It.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

As a Cardi fan, I don't. That ain't. But it's the finals. She performing in the Garden. She's gonna do whatever. Her next single. I understand. I'm telling you, me hearing Cardi is performing. I'm forgetting this. To find. She did Bodega Baddie and Bodak Yellow.

[Parks]

That's two.

[Joe Budden]

And got out of there. I'm not mad at that. Oh, my God. Why are we doing that, bro?

[Ish]

Everybody ain't a hip hop purist. I'm a. I'm a.

[Joe Budden]

She has big singles out right now.

[Ish]

She does.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What would you have done that would have made sense for the Garden?

[Joe Budden]

Her first single from her album. She could have did hello, It's Me. She could have did the other shit, that lotto remixed. Like, she got joints. She has records. But anyway, she did Bodega Baddie, she did Bodak Yellow, and she went on about business. She looked amazing. Everybody. Everybody there looked great. Everybody there looked great. I went and bought some Knicks T shirts. It was a time. It was a time. Nice Knicks. And six at the Garden.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love it.

[Joe Budden]

At the Garden.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love it. Speaking of hov, any of y' all going to those shows? They just announced Hov will be in la. But also, more importantly, he'll be in Paris. Paris in the fall?

[Ish]

I would prefer that one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gonna go to Paris One?

[Ish]

I don't know if I'm going, but that would be the one that I would pick out of all of them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, for sure. I'm not flying to LA if he's gonna be in the Bronx, but Paris is like a thing.

[Ish]

That would be a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna do my best to make sure. If it's not a show day, of course we should go.

[Parks]

Stop The Fritz is. That's fucking huge. Yeah, we did that with em.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, big ass shit. Oh, he's doing air.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Does that change, Duh. Does that change y' all calculus?

[Joe Budden]

That's not a duh. That's not a duh stadium. Rather, it's not a duh. That's 90,000. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A soccer stage.

[Parks]

That shit is big.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's 90 to 100,000. It's not just a duh, but shit.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Go old.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn. I didn't realize the capacity was like that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

Nah, it's like that over there. It's like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He surely can do it, but I guess. Does that make you more or less certain about what he's on right now and terms of album? In terms of album. In terms of release dates, in terms of rollouts, does it feel more like a rollout to y'?

[Joe Budden]

All?

[Parks]

I think, actually, if anything makes it feel less. But I still think there's an album on the way.

[Ish]

Really?

[Parks]

If you're. Those are big shows, yo. Like, that's time consuming that they're doing.

[Ish]

But I think if you haven't put out an album in a decade.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I mean, he don't need a reintroduction to the world, but you know what I'm saying? Like, yo, let me get acclimated to this again.

[Parks]

And that's a hell of a way to get acclimated.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. 90,000 people is crazy.

[Parks]

Yeah. On top of doing however many. What's that, 40 or whatever. Yankee three times and roots Picnic. And so. So far, so far. Yeah, that's. That's a hell of a rollout. If it's an album rollout.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This makes me feel like it's not. Same as you. I'm. That it's not an album rollout. I. I was of the opinion it wasn't an album coming out at the Ruth's picnic. Y' all kind of skewed me a little bit. I still think I. Now y' all have convinced me that it's coming out. I just don't think it's right now.

[Ish]

So what, you just think that nigga bored?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, it is anniversary time. It's blueprint anniversary. It's reasonable doubt anniversary. And yeah, he might be bored.

[Parks]

That's entirely possible.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, artists. You can speak to this, Joe. I mean, artists love to get out sometimes and get their art out when they're in that artistic zone.

[Joe Budden]

I get that. I just have not left him putting out an album there. I just am not. The new announcements of the Shows just make me think. Okay, now I don't know if we're getting a freestyle in the Bronx. Yeah, that was the first thing I asked myself. But I never wavered from him putting the album out. I think he's putting an album out.

[Ish]

You said what?

[Parks]

The freestyle in the Bronx? Is that what you're questioning? I don't know if he's doing it. I think he might have got his shit off.

[Ish]

Yeah, right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think he did.

[Joe Budden]

It. Might have been a Roots picnic thing. And I'm not going. Cause if you do it in the Bronx, then you have to do something in la, right? No, you don't.

[Ish]

Yes, you do. New York City, bro. I'm from New York City. I gotta give New York City something that I don't have to give nobody.

[Parks]

Which day you're doing that because it's three in New York.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta do Hoven. You gotta do it the first night.

[Ish]

It's tough Sunday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Either you gotta do the first night or the last night. Right. You're not gonna do a blueprint night. Right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And Hoven. Friends was extra. Is extra innings. Technically, that's not the two main shows, so I don't know if you do it.

[Parks]

Maybe that would be where you do it, I think. But.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Okay. Huh?

[Joe Budden]

I think he said what he has to say.

[Parks]

I think so, too.

[Joe Budden]

And that's. That's not where I was originally, but. Yeah. I don't see it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Hov ain't just in the house writing a bunch of freestyles for all you. Y' all gonna get this jigga. What? Jigga who?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Get the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Get the out some hard.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Y' all better get out my face. Yeah, well, go home. I'm not going to Paris or la.

[Parks]

I don't think I will.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I mean, but you got to sweep for three nights in the Bronx.

[Joe Budden]

Be in New York.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got the suite for three nights. So over.

[Flip]

He got it for three nights.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he's.

[Flip]

When you announce that? When did you announce that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He didn't. I just.

[Joe Budden]

Why would I announce it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Breaking news. He.

[Joe Budden]

He announcing it is out of le.

[Flip]

How he know that you got that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We sent it to the people that

[Flip]

was invited or you invited them niggas.

[Joe Budden]

Mark is not invited anywhere. I am.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right.

[Flip]

Tell him.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. That's the last place he need to start.

[Parks]

He's going to show up in Spurs Jersey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I didn't know.

[Ish]

I didn't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got it from Spurs. And Palestine.

[Parks]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Budden]

And abuse Palestine. Don't forget abuse.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My view shorts.

[Joe Budden]

And then Trump at the game when my old feed is like, oh, missiles. Missiles is going up. Like, wait, just on the optics tip. You can't be here with missiles.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He is literally the first. I had to look this up. Cause I knew other presidents had been there. But he's the first sitting president, so most people wait to be final. At a finals. At a finals.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And this ain't the only. He did Daytona. He did the Super Bowl. He's been on a run. He's the only president that goes to all these events and just kicks it like there's not wars going on.

[Parks]

I'm not. Joe's point earlier, if I was president, I would go to all them shits, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, but you probably wouldn't be at war.

[Parks]

I would go.

[Ish]

I would go to him during a time of.

[Parks]

I wouldn't be at war if I didn't have to.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. I ain't saying nothing about him. I seen at least 275 of them niggas last night that look like they can kill me within an incident. I ain't going. All of my strong views about whatever I be talking about here. I ain't saying it in front of Trump, man. I got 500 Jason Bornes with him. Yeah, them will kill me and go have a bagel with cream cheese.

[Flip]

And then I smile.

[Joe Budden]

Extra jelly smile on their face.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, they don't smile. Not at all. Ain't funny.

[Ish]

Hey, nothing funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not at all. Yo, Trump was sleep, though. Did you peep that?

[Parks]

I did. He's always sleep.

[Joe Budden]

Mark gonna keep us on Trump. Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Off Trump. Somebody was asleep. James Dolan was dozing, too, if it makes you feel any better.

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, what might make you feel better is that you have an opportunity right now, all of you, to say thank you.

[Flip]

To who?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Our mayor. Our forever mayor.

[Parks]

Thanks, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm talking about.

[Parks]

I'll get it out the way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you. Zohran Mamdani has delivered an NBA fight.

[Joe Budden]

You say that shit like in the full Muslim. What is this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said his name.

[Joe Budden]

You said that shit like. Like you were praying. Like a praying Muslim back here somewhere. Wow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Through the back of my throat. I finished the joke for you.

[Ish]

Em said, yo, my man.

[Joe Budden]

So did our forever Mark keep trying to get a job in. In Mom Donnie's office. It ain't happening, bro. You're done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't do public service. They don't pay enough, man. I want to do support from the outside, and right now, I'm supporting Mamdani from the outside. By pointing out they just announced New York crime is as low as it's ever been. Murders are down, robberies are down. I don't know if last night Cooks booked a little bit, but not just since the finals. Since he's been mayor. You know, he's following through on promises. And he brought the Knicks to the Finals, man. I think Muslim socialist marriage should just be elected everywhere.

[Flip]

Jimmy, he brought the niggas to the finals.

[Parks]

Yeah, it was all him. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Dinkins didn't do it. Giuliani didn't do it. None of the other niggas did it.

[Ish]

Pat Y.

[Joe Budden]

None of them niggas. Exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's time to say that. I mean, the Madani.

[Parks]

I think he's killing it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's killing it. The Mamdani experiment is working. All them people niggas ain't leaving. Everybody thought people was gonna leave. You know what I mean? They building, man. It's great. Elect your local Muslim Socialist, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Flip]

Yo, you play different. Yo, you play. And you let him get that shit off. Niggas came and shout out Tojo from the block. He's shouting out me and Momdi.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tojo from the block shoots people.

[Flip]

It don't matter. He let you get this whole shit all with shout out to Mom Donnie, however, he said no. Shout out to him. But I'm saying, like, I'm just trying

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

to show, like, it's working. That's all I'm saying. It's working.

[Flip]

Okay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You trying to bring peace. Y' all need some. Mom Dani's at your hometown.

[Flip]

Nigga, I'm a New Yorker.

[Joe Budden]

But let's slow down with getting rid of crime, too, though. We need some crime. Like, Mom Donnie is killing shit.

[Flip]

But he's body and shit.

[Joe Budden]

Some crimes we do need, especially in a declining economy, so.

[Ish]

Oh, no. In a declining economy, the crime is coming. That's one thing you could be certain of.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I thought about the other day? Hey, the Crime Stoppers did their big one with that little line in the money. That did slow things down a little bit.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What they used to do like this?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I thought the scammers would get them. It worked a little bit.

[Parks]

Let's go to our local crime advocate here.

[Joe Budden]

That's true. Our senior crime correspondent, I think they had to redirect.

[Parks]

He said that's ain't no got holograms.

[Joe Budden]

They got all that.

[Flip]

These.

[Joe Budden]

The crooks are always gonna win, bro.

[Flip]

Hey, yo, dick.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know about that, Joe.

[Flip]

I promise you, they Got taking the dollar that.

[Ish]

Yes, they got everything, Joe.

[Flip]

They was stripping the dollar down and putting the bigger bills on the dollar.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all telling me right this second that there's counterfeit bills moving and shaking?

[Flip]

Are you crazy?

[Joe Budden]

Why y' all can't find them?

[Flip]

I got a couple of them right now.

[Parks]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

For real? Yeah, nigga. And you keeping them to yourself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta keep it to yourself.

[Joe Budden]

You keeping them to yourself. The bounties.

[Ish]

3,000 get you 10,000 all day long.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. Wow. Yo, he do this to judge us

[Flip]

later on, you bum.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not judging you. I'm judging y' all for not telling me. Because those could be my strip club. I was about to say Tata Delicious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why not?

[Joe Budden]

I don't want

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

it. Is so you get off?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the best place and the worst place.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, no. I'm not saying I would go with only the fake bills. Because Frank, my man, like, I never know the owners. I give them some real money. But the big.

[Parks]

The.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The joints, you throw it up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. When homeboy come and sweep your hard earned money around. Yeah, I have a good laugh. That's loosely sweep away, buddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They not.

[Ish]

They not singles anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

They're not singles anyway.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, they gonna think I'm balling then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, Joe Button throwing 20s in there. God damn, he killing it. It's cool. Then. I don't feel bad. Cause one of them bitch is gonna try to give me some pussy off. Throw hundreds in the air like. Nah, chill, man. It's fucking. What up, Lip?

[Flip]

Hey, yo, real quick. I was thinking about something.

[Joe Budden]

There you go. Get involved.

[Flip]

I saw

[Joe Budden]

get in the game. Mark tried to ice you out with all that Nick talk. Nigga, we here.

[Flip]

We got him.

[Joe Budden]

We here. Energy.

[Flip]

I was looking at something that really

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you was talking about.

[Flip]

You was talking about Floyd and Floyd being broke. The things that he's doing. I might have to go on your side. I watched something. I'm gonna talk about it later, but I watched something that says that he's really going through a lot of shit over there, man. Spending habits has got him into a lot of shit.

[Joe Budden]

So now the 50 posted. The little. Now you believe it. I've been sitting here. I've been sitting here all day long.

[Flip]

I thought you was just hating. I thought you was just hating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But 50's doing it for a journalistic integrity.

[Flip]

Yes, Okay. I thought you was hating, but. So I said okay.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm gonna tell you something. It's gonna be tough to believe.

[Flip]

What's Up.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't no hater. I don't hate, pard me. I don't hate.

[Flip]

We got. We got some of those in here. But you're not one of them, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who's the haters?

[Flip]

You. We gonna get to it at the prospects, nigga, I'm gonna get you. Yeah, at the prospects.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna get you.

[Flip]

I'm about to be up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I root for you, man.

[Flip]

Yeah, you did. I heard you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Look at my man Biggie.

[Flip]

But this should be backhanded. You backhanded compliments, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I big up. You, man.

[Flip]

Big up me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but he is talented. He is smart.

[Ish]

I am.

[Joe Budden]

I am strong. I am strong. He is single yourself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, this is somebody.

[Flip]

They know that already.

[Joe Budden]

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[Flip]

Nigga, I ain't do that.

[Joe Budden]

You just got back. You. Come on, man. Here we go. All right, let's see if Mark is aware that Jay Electronica had a show the other day, Mark and Parks. Yo, I forgot, I forgot. Parks is down with this. Did you guys get wind of Jay Electronica's show the other day?

[Parks]

I would have flew out.

[Joe Budden]

Well, here's the promoter of said show speaking to the crowd after Jay Electronica managed to not show up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Close by. This Real talk. I've never witnessed some like this, but

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna be straight up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Supposedly he's gonna be here around 2am I'm gonna be close by that. I don't know what the hell is

[Flip]

going on with this dude's mind and

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what's up with them right now. I'm sure some of you heard about Phoenix the other night. That's another show that he pulled. This move in. Park, Parks and Mar.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope everybody enjoyed everybody that rocked this stage tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, man. I hope everybody enjoyed the vibe while it lasted, but I don't know if

[Flip]

mine's showing up real quick

[Joe Budden]

time. What you got to say for yourself? You can put that phone up. Don't text jla.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't.

[Parks]

He wants to get the official statement

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

for an official statement.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I don't want to say the word, but Jay Electronic I here, but I do real business and you know what I mean, walk around like that.

[Flip]

I've done some of the biggest venues

[Joe Budden]

for a thousand to two thousand to seven thousand people. Like, I don't around like that. I've been doing shows 20 years every month.

[Flip]

Consistently every month.

[Joe Budden]

Well, let me pause it real quick to see what Marks and Park have to say.

[Parks]

I think it's probably just a misunderstanding.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I think it's probably transportation and multiple Phoenix too.

[Parks]

Yeah, he was probably still on the East Coast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Time, maybe a lot of time, the time zones get mixed. You just have somebody call you at 1 and then they hit you at 11 because they want. Yeah, I mean, honestly, my first.

[Joe Budden]

Why is it so hard for y' all to just call people a piece of shit?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because I know Jay Electronic. He's not a piece of shit. I think you're cool with him.

[Joe Budden]

But is there a chance that you maybe know some people that are a piece of shit, knowing somebody? Don't get, oh, no, he's a good.

[Parks]

I don't know Jay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I know some people who are a piece of shit.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know well enough to call it one way or the other. All right, so like Blu came up here and told us, you're not a hypocrite, you're hypocritical. He's not a Piece of shit.

[Parks]

But he's piece of shitical.

[Joe Budden]

Piece of shit worthy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, not my brother. Here's what I would say. Here's what I would say. When I heard that, my first thought was, I hope he's okay. Hope he's all right, you know? And that's the thing I hate about promoters sometime or just other people who are doing business is that they're only thinking about their bottom line.

[Parks]

This feels like victim blaming a little bit, Mark. I'm not gonna lie.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, I don't know what happened.

[Joe Budden]

It's definitely victim blaming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not victim blaming. If. If. If he got something's wrong, if he stood up for a show, it's fucked up.

[Joe Budden]

You do know what happened. He had a show, he didn't go. He didn't do it.

[Flip]

But we don't.

[Joe Budden]

That would be perfect. We don't know why he didn't go. And I'm sure details.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That matters. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

It doesn't matter at the part of the story where I have a crowd here who was expecting to see Jay Electronica, who don't see him. This whole diatribe that he's going on, he's doing it in a corny way. But I have. I have enough dealings with promoters to know that that's a very real issue for local promoters who make their living booking artists. If the artists don't show up for whatever reason. Artists got a million reasons they don't show up, but it does fall on the promoter who said, yo, this person's gonna be here. That person will have a hard time the next time they say, somebody's gonna be somewhere. So you dismissing it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not dismissing it.

[Joe Budden]

And he does sound corny while he's doing it, but it's a very valid point.

[Parks]

It is. I think what Jay should do is maybe hire someone to put on a mask or send Rory out maybe, and just do the tape.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'll work, I think. I think that a couple things. One, the promoter's right to be frustrated. I imagine the promoter for being frustrated. I wouldn't go on stage and say, fuck that artist unless I knew why they. Unless I knew why. Maybe he does. But I'm saying, I.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, he continues. And in this I hear him saying, I have no problem giving everybody a refund. However, if you enjoyed yourself tonight and don't ask for one, then that's a solid. Which he said that maybe four different times. I let it. I'LL let it play, but I'll let him. I'm gonna speed him up. Appreciate everybody that came out tonight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I appreciate you guys from the bottom of my heart. I appreciate DJ Smoke one.

[Joe Budden]

I appreciate the homeboy DJ Scientific holding it down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Appreciate the whole staff here. Big ups, make some noise for the

[Joe Budden]

usual place for opening up the doors. True CEO, if you've never been through this before, this is what he has to do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, I get it.

[Joe Budden]

He has to shout out the chef, the sous chef, the. That open, clean the windows, bar bags when go wrong. And everybody was looking to get paid. Yeah, this is. This is a tough spot to be in, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did me just say this?

[Joe Budden]

It's almost done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We will be back, but I'm gonna

[Joe Budden]

be back with a real legend and

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

we're gonna put on a great show for y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. He's pissed.

[Parks]

He is.

[Joe Budden]

He shouldn't say some of this, but he's pissed off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like I said, visit your place of point of purchase if you really need a refund. Otherwise, if you enjoyed the night, you enjoyed the night. But yeah, Jay Electronic.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a YouTube.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, man, but yo, we could vibe

[Ish]

out for a little bit maybe, if you want to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you want to vibe out the smoke one. It's scientific right here again.

[Joe Budden]

See, when you got to go from J elect to smoke one in scientific, shout out to those boys. Listen, I'm not trying to be funny, but the name on the headline is the name on the headline for a reason. And also Mark. Well, not Mark. I ain't talking to Mark. We talking to all these. The promoters that book you. They don't necessarily have to be a fan of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They often are.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's business.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to book comedy shows.

[Joe Budden]

It's simple math. This is. How much does this person cost? How much can this venue hold? Venue hole. How many people can he put in here? So there's nothing to really stop him from saying, yo, this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And he has every right to be frustrated. If you want to say, dude, that's on him. I don't think that's a good way to do business. That's not the way I would move. But also, I'm just trying to show the other side of the. And the other side of this is if Jay Electronica stood them up. That's not cool. He owes them an apology. He should make up the show. He should probably. Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

Get them people back. They motherfucking 6500, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever it is, they should do that. All I'm saying Is is that nigga

[Joe Budden]

ran off with it too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But there are artists who are dealing with shit, and I know artists who are dealing with shit. And the way I know Jay Electronica, if he's missing the show is not because he said, fuck that show. There's a reason, and that's all. And so I would give him the benefit of doubt, knowing him. But I understand why people are frustrated. And again, if you stood him up, that's fucked up. You should never stand people.

[Joe Budden]

You so full of shit. I hate this. I know, I know, I know, I know that. This man done stood up 70 promoters across the nation. This is just the first. This is just the first person.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have said, like, 10.

[Joe Budden]

Oh. This is just the first person that spoke up. This nigga's been just on a tear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know that.

[Joe Budden]

Well. You ain't texting to find out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I tried.

[Joe Budden]

Didn't hit you back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been two minutes.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, man, I thought that was your man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been two minutes. I just texted you.

[Parks]

I did do some investigative journalism this weekend. I went to Governor's Ball, saw clips. I saw Geese with one of my favorite bands, and I saw Freddy. And afterwards, he told me that he was not, in fact, dissing you.

[Joe Budden]

I know that Freddy wasn't dissing me. This part of my job as a podcaster is to come in here and make something out of whatever the Internet is talking about. I never thought that. Fred. Fred. That's my man. Even if it sound like a dis.

[Ish]

Island's nice, right?

[Parks]

Yeah, it was actually. It was dope. Really, really good setup. Really good setup.

[Joe Budden]

That's your spot where you had the little romantic date that you told me about.

[Parks]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It's no longer at Governor's Island. Governor's Ball is now at Corona park, which is.

[Flip]

You got the massages on the Zonda Ranch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You rented the overnight tent. Teach these niggas about romance, nigga.

[Ish]

Both of them dope.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, I know you romantic, but the people out there that died, they don't know that ish. Tell them about how you carried it there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are you romantic?

[Parks]

Yes. That's just his middle name.

[Joe Budden]

He buys flowers every week for his girlfriend. Yeah, still?

[Ish]

Yeah, I bought some yesterday.

[Joe Budden]

Even if he slip up a week, still the gesture in it. Governor's Ball.

[Ish]

You don't believe me?

[Flip]

You always buy it's one of the

[Joe Budden]

biggest lies in the world.

[Flip]

He always buys this.

[Ish]

I'm tired of y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. It's one of the biggest lies ever said on this podcast. But because we respect them, we don't say nothing about it. What?

[Ish]

Did I buy flowers yet? I bought white roses yesterday. A dozen white roses. If I call right now and say, yo, when's the last time you got flowers and what color?

[Joe Budden]

But that's not the question.

[Parks]

That isn't the question. The question is, how often do you get flowers?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that's the question. Call her, though. Call this mysterious lady. I don't even know that you got somebody.

[Ish]

I don't, I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I think he adopted a kid, bought a dog. I think the masquerades. He running for this s white lady. Like he just trying to present a certain way. I don't think this girl exists.

[Flip]

I spoke to her.

[Ish]

Hey, hold on real quick. You're live. I want to ask you a few questions.

[Joe Budden]

Did she say hello? Hi.

[Ish]

When's the last time?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hi.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, when's the last time? That was a dry high. Oh, yesterday. Huh? Yesterday. What color are they white roses?

[Ish]

How you feel? That's not our question.

[Joe Budden]

Is. Can you ask our question?

[Ish]

No, she said, that's not our question.

[Parks]

How often do you buy flowers?

[Ish]

How often do I buy flowers?

[Flip]

So you go to the supermarket once a week.

[Joe Budden]

So roughly about every other week.

[Ish]

Is that sufficient?

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, mysterious white lady. Thank you, mysterious white lady.

[Flip]

You go to the supermarket. You using that trick?

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to talk to her.

[Flip]

You go to the supermarket every week?

[Joe Budden]

Jesus. Oh, my God. I feel like I was in the principal's office. I don't never.

[Flip]

That lady, she mad at this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He got in trouble for something.

[Flip]

She mad cuz I spoke to her before. She was mad.

[Joe Budden]

Jolly. Yeah, no, that's. You did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, it's the middle of the work day. She may be busy.

[Flip]

Just cuz you met her. Shut your ass up. We ain't talking to you.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't with us. Yo, what you told that lady we be doing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She watched the show.

[Joe Budden]

No, these two. Yeah, I know.

[Flip]

You introduce your girl to this? He ain't cahoots. Now he's speaking on your behalf about your girl.

[Ish]

He didn't say nothing about my girl.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't say a word.

[Flip]

He said. Why does she sound like that? Last time I told her, yo, it's in the middle.

[Ish]

My girl watches the show, so she knows some antics. So when I'm like, yo, hold on, you on speaker. She like, oh, boy, what you talk about?

[Joe Budden]

This is my problem with you. This is my problem with you. Words mean things. And you have the ability to be misleading. Ah. So when you come up here and say, for five years, am I in the twilight zone? I buy my. I make my girl love flowers. I make it a point every week to get her some flowers. What that implies is very different from I'm buying groceries every week and I walk down to the flower aisle in the supermarket and get us a flower. So yes, it means the same. It's the same way. I'm not done talking. I'm not done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm not done.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm. You interrupted me. But you interrupted me and I'm not done. But you interrupted me and I'm not done. Do you have the discipline to remain silent as I speak?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I am in the twilight zone.

[Joe Budden]

Or is your foot gonna fall off? I am in the twilight zone. So you go to the supermarket to get groceries and while you are there, you happen to purchase some flowers for your lady, which is still a great gesture. It is like I ain't sleep. That's. That's dope, nigga. Still. But it ain't what I thought you. I thought you was.

[Ish]

All right, so let's go. Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

I thought you was voovin or no, I thought you was hitting them with the joints.

[Ish]

I would never buy but one. I don't only buy flowers at the

[Joe Budden]

grocery store at the discounted rate.

[Ish]

And every grocery store is different.

[Joe Budden]

The flowers are dying.

[Ish]

My turn is a mess.

[Joe Budden]

It's my bad, big dog.

[Ish]

Every grocery store different. That's number one.

[Joe Budden]

Are you at Wegmans?

[Ish]

Some grocery stores get fresh flowers on it.

[Flip]

That's true.

[Ish]

Every other a two day basis.

[Joe Budden]

Which ones?

[Ish]

A lot of them.

[Joe Budden]

Which ones by where you live?

[Ish]

A few. Got it but we're not doing that. But as I was as. As I was stating.

[Joe Budden]

That lady was scary.

[Ish]

Hey, yo fam.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even give a about these. She was. That's the.

[Flip]

That's how he went.

[Ish]

That's how he went. He over talk you.

[Joe Budden]

That's trick.

[Flip]

She was third. That's the first time I hit her like that, man. She's too nice.

[Ish]

What you did, man, I didn't do nothing. I said, yo, you're live on the show. She says, oh boy, cuz, she know it's some going on.

[Joe Budden]

What do you say, Kermit Babysitter like the lady you never saw with the striped stockings. When she come, all the mothers got to stop playing.

[Flip]

They only fill up her hat from the bottom.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so you the man. I. I submit

[Parks]

he's romantic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Man, you Go grocery shop.

[Joe Budden]

No, I don't.

[Ish]

You do. Don't start lying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You do.

[Joe Budden]

He don't believe nothing I say about me. You come in here, tell us that you go down the street in the

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

middle of the night to grocery shop?

[Flip]

My daughter said she saw me.

[Joe Budden]

You don't say that, nigga.

[Ish]

Yes or no?

[Joe Budden]

Grocery shop.

[Ish]

Yes or no? You go to the grocery store.

[Joe Budden]

I go get Doritos, Pop Tarts, Cheetos. I wouldn't necessarily call what I do. That's not exactly food. Groceries, shopping. No.

[Parks]

You gotta buy at least a fruit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fruit.

[Joe Budden]

Anything I need that's important. I'm instacarting or Uber Eats together.

[Flip]

You go by. You go for death.

[Ish]

It depends. Most times it depends. So I go about myself a lot.

[Flip]

Oh, I know, I know. I know what you're talking about. It'd be the cashier, right? I know you talk about boy, that's the time to talk to him.

[Joe Budden]

That's why you gotta get the flowers. Every new number you get, you got. Nah, yo, here, I gotta get. I gotta get my girls done while I'm here.

[Ish]

What the fuck Your floor.

[Joe Budden]

What? What flow if you.

[Ish]

If you trying to bag something in

[Joe Budden]

the grocery c. No, I'm saying you bag.

[Ish]

See, you got flowers in the cart and all.

[Joe Budden]

No, you bagged it. Come on.

[Flip]

Not yours.

[Joe Budden]

No, you bagged it already. And now it's like the balance of the cheater world is now I got to get my girl something.

[Flip]

My son, I know you. He be at register.

[Joe Budden]

That's like when your girl catch you, catch you with some that you cheated with, but you didn't cheated with 700 joints. But she catch you with this one, so. Because it's just one you got. Yo, baby, you right. Yo, what you right about what? You right about this one. I did it. No, you got me. I did all that. I will never do that again. You like?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Woo.

[Joe Budden]

That was close. I thought she found out about the current piece I'm cheating with. You be thanking God I was cheating with two and a half years ago. She is not hot on the trail. Hey, her investigation, creative skills, Baby, you know what? You so right. I'm never gonna speak to this girl again.

[Parks]

You don't have to.

[Joe Budden]

You ain't got to worry about that. She already been out to roller dates. Oh my God. Anyways, all right. It's just romantic. Glad we got that out the way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do y' all do flowers and all that?

[Parks]

My wife doesn't like flowers.

[Joe Budden]

I would think I'm romantic. My girl would say I'M not probably if I asked her. I didn't never asked her.

[Ish]

It don't you ain't got.

[Flip]

She does in the middle cuz we

[Joe Budden]

might have two different ideas of what romance is. Shut up, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm saying every dude is like that. I think like me and my wife.

[Ish]

It's not about what you think is romantic. It's about what she thinks is romantic. So once you figure it out, she

[Joe Budden]

would think I'm romantic. If she had a job. Then I could pop up. Then I could pop up.

[Flip]

Why would you.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz that's when I'm being. When I could pop up at the job unexpectedly. And all your co workers. Oh my God, you're amazing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your job romantic.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, I used to kill shit. What's the name of that little accessories.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How many dozens you put in Starlet?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, what is the name for. Let's have Claire's.

[Ish]

Claire's?

[Joe Budden]

Not Claire's. The other accessory joint, that's the Pandora. Okay, Pandora.

[Ish]

And you call that killing shit.

[Flip]

You bought a lot of Pandora bases.

[Joe Budden]

No, but back in the day I was with something that worked at Pandora, but it was a hood Pandora. It was like in Queens Plaza Mall. The day shift was nobody in there. So when I used to walk in there as Joe Budden. Oh my God. Hey. I used to catch you at lunch, pop up at the lunch break. It was like an Olive Garden downstairs or some shake. Hey, buddy, here to have lunch with you. Some salad and breadsticks.

[Ish]

Girl.

[Joe Budden]

I always used to walk through that Pandora. Man, you can eat this bottomless, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Knock yourself out.

[Joe Budden]

Anything for my baby. Go back there, let her know I'm here. Then they used to know you the co workers. So they go, I said your man is here. You see their face light up. Y' all don't pop up at y' all girls jobs. Cause y' all yalls wife and girl and wife, wife and girl. Yeah, well you did that looked muddy.

[Parks]

Wait, which one?

[Joe Budden]

That little. When you played the piano for the kids, they didn't give a about your

[Ish]

chopping up at her child.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think Parks was doing? You think he was there for the kids?

[Flip]

I was booked his opinion. He booked your wife.

[Joe Budden]

Booked you.

[Ish]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Budden]

You can't trust your wife booking you, cuz now we don't know if Mr. Johnson is at the school this day. And who cares for him? Nah, that's why you gotta pop up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

That's why you got to pop up.

[Parks]

Can't just Pop up in a school.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just here.

[Joe Budden]

No, listen, y', all, too. Y' all be the example. Y' all don't pop up at your girl's jobs. No, never.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I used to do that when I did up.

[Joe Budden]

Not even on the work.

[Ish]

Yeah, when I was way younger, so

[Joe Budden]

she had nothing to worry about.

[Parks]

Bartenders and so on the work trip,

[Joe Budden]

there was no even a hint that you could pop up out the blue?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, she was in Jamaica.

[Joe Budden]

See, I like her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't pop up in Jamaica.

[Joe Budden]

She was doing all relationships need a little hint of fear.

[Ish]

I was about to say.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Are you scaring the motherfucking straight?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

No, because that sounds like abuse. The fear I'm talking about is when you look to the scared, dog. When I used to cheat. Mad long ago.

[Ish]

Way long time ago.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, mad long ago. I'm a changed man. I'm healed. My baby's moving up here. I'm super in love. But when I was a cheater and all cheating stories of me hearkening back. Nigga, I used to be so petrified. I would think somebody's. Just the thought of her. Mm. It was scary. Anywhere you don't have a job, it was scary. I'm talking about when you cheatin' and you take somebody someplace maybe shouldn't take em, man.

[Flip]

Yeah. You think she'll pop up?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man. It was scary. Anyway, I'm in a room full of men that don't cheat, so it's not related to that. Let that fear go fuck up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Since we talk about relationships.

[Ish]

Odyssey, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, since we talk about relationships, I've been peeping this relationship between my man Darrell.

[Flip]

Is it Bell?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He played Ron Johnson on A Different World.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know him and Tempest Bledsoe. Vanessa from the Cosby Show. They've been together since the 90s.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot of people don't know that. They've been together since, I think, 93. No breakups, no scandals, no public fallout. And a lot of people seem to think that the key to them being together is that they never got married. They live together, they share a life together, but they never got married. You know, celebrity marriages be, like, two years old, three years long. They also don't have kids, so that could also be part of it. But I don't believe they have kids together. But you have to double check that first. But what I know for sure is they didn't get married. I'm starting to think that the success of at least a celebrity marriage, maybe not all marriages, but at least A celebrity marriage is to not get married. What do y' all think?

[Parks]

No, I think this is just luck. Yeah. Yeah.

[Flip]

Understanding.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm on the side of let everybody love however it is they love. If you want to get married, have at it. If you don't want to get married, have at it. You want to be Jim and Chrissy. Have at it. You want to be like, whatever examples we have, however you love is how you love. I don't. That ain't so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all don't think there's nothing about marriage itself when they. I'm talking when they famous, not regular people. You know, lives are different. But, like, with famous people, I feel like sometimes the marriage itself puts pressure on you. And I feel like people start attacking the marriage, people start attacking the relationship. People trying to break them apart, people trying to tell the dude or test the woman. And I feel like it the marriage up.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you think that's only famous people? I don't think.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think you just have a bigger target.

[Ish]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just give a bigger target.

[Parks]

We don't care if the clerk at

[Ish]

the hotel is no disrespect to them. No disrespect to them. Again, they disrespect them. They were part of our childhood.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

They are not, like, immensely famous to where they would be a target like that for some chick or some dude to come try to, you know what I mean, break up what they have. I just think that sometimes you find your person and that person is compatible with you and whatever y' all foundational things are, they are y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Ish]

So I think the marriage thing, sometimes the dude might want to get married and the chick be like, I don't give a fuck. Or sometimes the chick want to get married and the dude be like, I don't give a fuck. So if that's what your person wants to do, sometimes you'll just succumb to it. But I think happiness is the goal, bro. I don't think marriage is the goal. I think happiness is the goal. Is the goal. And if what y' all doing makes y' all happy, then rock out the other piece of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry.

[Flip]

No, I'm saying you're famous and married.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not that famous and my wife's not.

[Joe Budden]

You famous.

[Flip]

Famous.

[Joe Budden]

OG you famous Tulsa, where you be

[Flip]

at in Iran and Black Wall street,

[Joe Budden]

where else he be at? Congressional Black Caucus? Yeah. You famous there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's like. That's not really famous. I'm talking about real famous. People like, I think that's one thing. Also, my wife's not in the public eye at all, really. So that's also a different situation.

[Parks]

She's a podcaster, though.

[Joe Budden]

She is. Are you? You know what, man? It's less people here. I don't even talk. I'm getting to know you. Are you, like, a hot piece of ass in the academic world, or are you something that they want to cheat?

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly, cuz, I only know him from here. I only know him from here.

[Parks]

You ever seen him in the suit

[Joe Budden]

with the elbow pads?

[Ish]

Yo, yo, yo, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Those are there for a reason. Ah,

[Parks]

the corduroy.

[Ish]

No, he.

[Flip]

He.

[Ish]

Him.

[Joe Budden]

He.

[Ish]

Him. In academia.

[Joe Budden]

I got especially black academ myself. I got to see it. I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been so faithful for so long that I don't.

[Ish]

You don't remember?

[Flip]

You don't see.

[Joe Budden]

It's been so long.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been. I mean, yeah, pre marriage, you know, I don't even remember. It's all a blur, man.

[Joe Budden]

Blur. You never even think about, like, dishonesty,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Honestly, honest to God. All jokes aside, I know we always play with this honest to God, like. No, I think part of it for me is I got married so old and so late in life, so I'm not on some high ground.

[Ish]

You already sold your royal oats?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, dead ass. Like, if I got married when I was 25, even maybe 35.

[Joe Budden]

They put out new sewing machines. They put out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that with the triple weave?

[Joe Budden]

It's some new yarn out there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Those.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, they got. They sewing like the BGA fish they killing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'mma teach y' all homonyms one day.

[Joe Budden]

I sold my warrior load. They got new sewing machines.

[Ish]

What is wrong?

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Anyway. Oh, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. No, it's a different soul, by the way. Yeah. I'm teaching them homonyms one day. It's like scw.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, we know that. We just being funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it was hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

He always try to step up it with smarts. Your smart, your intelligence. All right, let's try it a different way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gonna have the same experience if you had.

[Joe Budden]

If you had. We'll get back to that. If you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's gonna have the same shit.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait. I'mma think you shooting, and I'mma turn up on you and not him.

[Ish]

You already.

[Flip]

You shoot every day, all day.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you, from this point forward, I didn't even see any camaraderie between y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma take it as you shooting and you gonna get shot and not him.

[Ish]

I got a gun too. They make one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Okay. So long as you know.

[Ish]

I'm just letting you know they ain't make one.

[Joe Budden]

I forgot what I was saying.

[Flip]

He said that you gonna go through it one day.

[Joe Budden]

Okay. So if. If there was something that. If there was something that you had to tell somebody and it not get back to your wife, who would you tell?

[Parks]

Nobody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody.

[Ish]

It's not a thing out there that get back to my wife.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't even understand the question. I'm not even being funny. I genuinely don't understand the question.

[Joe Budden]

If you had to tell a secret to somebody and make sure under any instance, any circumstance that it wouldn't be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What kind of secret? Any secret.

[Joe Budden]

What happened to fucking secret?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know if it was a cheating secret, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not trying to trick you. Just a secret.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who would I tell? I'll tell my best friend. I would tell a dude who's my best friend.

[Joe Budden]

Got it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Ish]

But not a chick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not because she's a chick, but just cause she's not my best friend.

[Ish]

Got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got you. There's about three people in the world, one of them is a woman. There's about three people in the world. I would tell something and I would feel completely confident that it would never go nowhere.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Even though even STDs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Even STDs.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't trying to be funny, which

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have, but if I ever

[Joe Budden]

got one, it's funny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would feel kind. Those people I trust with anything.

[Joe Budden]

You got it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You're blessed. Three people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Three. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That's dope. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

One is blood. You know what I mean? I got. You know.

[Joe Budden]

Know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know how that go.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I think you had the same situation because when you get married because you're older.

[Joe Budden]

Don't laugh, Flip, while you're talking to me about it. If you laugh, I'mma shoot at you. Go ahead, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because you got ma. Because you got married in his 50s. Yeah. In your. In your 50s or 60s. You will. Got nothing to worry about. All that out there.

[Flip]

You.

[Joe Budden]

I love it. Your man is actually 50 that you best friends with. Unmarried. But you shooting me. That's my man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

See, look how fast it could get there. It could get there. It could get. Yeah, it could get there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, he not talking about me.

[Flip]

I'm not talking about you, 50, married.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because if you get married in your 20s, you going to be everywhere.

[Flip]

Mark, watch your fucking Mouth, I slap

[Joe Budden]

the shit out of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See how fast. See how fast as she can move. See how fast as she can move. I don't think y' all want this. Smok

[Ish]

in their mid-40s are still gonna be moving everywhere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what? That's true.

[Flip]

Is happily married and content.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know. They happy. They happy as

[Flip]

family back. See, that's what's wrong with when they. When they. When they. When they find a bond.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at.

[Flip]

I got a little bond. Little gay bar.

[Ish]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

They bonding over too. Like sharing mechanics.

[Ish]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you wanna.

[Flip]

Oh, you want Enrique to come fix your toilet?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they bonding over. Oh, no, that's why they bonding.

[Flip]

House.

[Joe Budden]

House is breaking down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This.

[Joe Budden]

Sending mad people over there.

[Ish]

That's what old faithful bond over curtains as opposed to. Yeah, I mean, that's what they bond over.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got a doctor. He won't put nothing in your records. Just go to him. Take this for five days. You'll be fine. But use the non deodorant soap.

[Joe Budden]

You smoke that. If I didn't hear that you and Imani was talking about in the kitchen, off mic, last part, that would. You would have killed me.

[Ish]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Because I would believe what you're saying me anymore. But I happen to get a little glimpse of just. It's not. It's not. All right, we got some topics, man. Let's see what else is going on.

[Ish]

Mania. Antoine, don't engage.

[Joe Budden]

Let me see. We got. We got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't make nothing up. You're looking at a screen. I didn't even know words on that page.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just trying to see where we going. Umar finished his school. Congratulations. Ended the tour again. I don't know if that's a new or old video, but congratulations to Dr. Umar. I was gonna try to use it to start trouble with. With Mark and Ish, but I won't. They both already let it be known that they will indeed work at the school if Dr. Umar grants them the opportunity to do so. Also, we have. Last week, I meant to tell y', all, Adam, 22 and his wife faked a divorce for clicks, views and monetization, like the fucking slimy white mutts that they are.

[Parks]

Oh, that wasn't real.

[Joe Budden]

No, that wasn't real. Nothing about that. That was real. TMZ reported it, which we can get to. TMZ's reporting whenever y' all want to do it. They have fallen off a cliff. If it ain't a death, then really it's a mess.

[Parks]

Paid for publicity, essentially.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And I think the public is starting to get a whiff of that now. And I don't think that was the case before. Before. I think people took them as incredible.

[Ish]

Yeah, people took them as seriously.

[Joe Budden]

But now, again, rest in peace to my girl Ashley. Just a report on they doing. Oh, the Tanzanian police have cleared this white guy. And it's like TMZ, y' all are reporting what the 10 Tanzanian police foot did. This is a mess. This is a mess. But, yeah, so anyway, they reported Adam and Shorty were getting a divorce. Then Shorty put out something that said she's got a stalker or somebody that is fouling things on her behalf that are not true.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And then Adam came out and said, yeah, once we found out it was a fake, we figured that we would just play along. You can say it. They, they. And they try to throw you off the trail by fucking a bunch of people. They. Both of them.

[Ish]

And I think they lie.

[Joe Budden]

They are lying.

[Ish]

No, I'm talking about. About not breaking up.

[Flip]

Oh, you think they're broken up for real?

[Ish]

Yeah, I think probably the backlash from it might have. Might have cost them some paper. So now we just gonna do the shit in private. It ain't no reason for us to be broadcasting that shit. Cause you know, it come along with it. He not the most well liked nigga. Like, when I heard about it, a nigga that we know created a whole clip and was like, yo, I'm about to light him up. And I was like, chill,

[Joe Budden]

so.

[Ish]

Cause you know what's gonna come once you go black. All that type of funny jokes. That's what niggas was gonna say.

[Flip]

He listened to you not to put the clip out.

[Ish]

He ain't put it on up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yo, flip it. So flip it.

[Ish]

What you talking about? He took the name out, but he had a. Some fly, too. Like, some real fly that he had put out. And I was like, chill, yo, that's wild. But, yo, yeah, we going to get divorced on our time behind closed doors.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody out there that is actually. Actually going through a divorce, you're in my prayers and my heart goes out to you. Anybody out there that's faking a divorce, I'm praying for you too. Because if you're faking a divorce, different prayer.

[Ish]

Different prayer.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But what I've learned as I've been outside just speaking to people, that is a really, really, really thriving community. That whole second marriage, second wife, second husband community.

[Parks]

What you mean?

[Joe Budden]

It's lit right now out there.

[Parks]

Like, people are women Espousing its benefits. The second wife. I have seen some of that.

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Could never do that.

[Parks]

What you mean people are saying that like the second wife is the one or the second husband is the one.

[Ish]

I can believe that.

[Joe Budden]

No, yeah, I could believe that's thriving. It's lit out there because a lot

[Ish]

of people get married from kind of piggybacking on the conversation we just had. A lot of people get married under pressure and under the rush, especially at a younger age. You don't really know yourself.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You don't really know what you want out of life, you know what I'm saying? So yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Even if you knew yourself, the second marriage person version of you is different.

[Flip]

True.

[Parks]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

[Ish]

You've grown, you've matured, you've learned.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're a different person.

[Ish]

Dog. Think about the I'm take. I was about to say you but me dog, the. That I did in relationships in my twenties, my girl would never believe I was even kidding. Capable of in my 40s.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't like that.

[Ish]

No, it was.

[Flip]

It's cool. Your girl, you was body and ish.

[Ish]

No, I'm just saying like how I respond to certain. Like I was a little more.

[Joe Budden]

She would believe it.

[Ish]

Critical. I was, you know what I'm saying? Like certain that I. I would say to my exes, I would never say to my girl today how I would respond to certain I would never respond.

[Flip]

Do you look at it as.

[Ish]

It's just growth on my back.

[Flip]

So it's about you maturing and not that the person is different or she may respond.

[Ish]

It could be a combination of the two. But just me as an a person, I'm different than I was in my 20s, hopefully. So all of us should be different people in our 40s and 50s than we were in our 20s. But so you might have been in a relationship and handle just all up in your 20s, you wouldn't handle the same stimulus today. I think to your.

[Parks]

Your other point that a lot of people get married for the wrong reasons, you know what I'm saying? Like they just feel social pressure or they have a kid so now we

[Joe Budden]

should get married or more open minded

[Ish]

in your 40s, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Culturally that happens a lot. And I know a lot of people from the south who felt like they need to be married in their 20s. Even people I went to school with, like up north we didn't do that shit. But in the south they was like we getting families, we doing that. But but that's the interesting thing.

[Ish]

Some of us have options.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So you my see this for real.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You will.

[Flip]

Yeah, I know, I know, I know

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

that ran to the courthouse. I did, I did, I did.

[Flip]

You know, you know, some of us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

For real. You will stop playing. Girl, don't play with me.

[Flip]

I know. I mean that's, that's what happiness brings you, man. When you, you know the love of your life when you see them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it's real.

[Flip]

You know, you wanna. But here's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

What are your views on marriage?

[Ish]

Mine?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I'm not anti marriage at all. I think it's dope. I think, you know, it is what it is for everybody. It's not the same for everybody for me. I'm not dying to be married. I don't look at it as an accomplishment. Some people look at it as an accomplishment. I don't look at it as that. I look at me and my girl being happy as an accomplishment. I know mad niggas that's married and, and, and they miserable. You feel what I'm saying? But I know people that was in 15 year relationships and they happy as shit.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Ish]

They just traveling the world doing all

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

types of fly shit like Tempest and Darrell.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

Prime example. Yeah. Like, I don't, I don't. It's not a big deal to me. Like if my girl put pressure on me to do it, yeah, maybe I'll do it. I don't mind it.

[Parks]

I think you would want to do it for the tax breaks as a businessman, but maybe I will.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, that's about the best.

[Ish]

No tax breaks for me, huh? It don't present no tax breaks for me.

[Parks]

I think it does.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's in a different.

[Parks]

Oh, that may be true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think when I think about the second marriage thing, I'm like, fuck no. I mean, I'm very happily married. I don't be with nobody else.

[Ish]

I could see it, though.

[Parks]

In the event that my wife was abducted by aliens, I would not remember.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would never do this again. You older though, maybe so.

[Ish]

A lot of the people might have got married at 30. Abducted and had five year marriages.

[Joe Budden]

Had your wife. She went there to party. She'll be back. She'll be back in a second. Grimy on that. I didn't feel bad before. I got. I gotta stop watching y' all stories.

[Parks]

Don't feel bad for me.

[Joe Budden]

Park's just sitting there fucking making the shit out that beat.

[Ish]

Like, I just think that, you know, again, n got married at 30, you might've stayed married 35. And again, you see where you fucked up. You see where the person. You might've ignored red flags in the other person. So when you meet somebody new now, I think it's different. Yo, we older.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would date. I might even have a long term girlfriend, but I wouldn't want to live with nobody ever again.

[Flip]

Yeah, I wouldn't want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't want to do nothing. I just wouldn't. And it's not because, like, oh, I love my wife so much, I couldn't replace her. It's not even that. It's just like, this shit is a lot. And doing this shit, two weddings, two partners.

[Ish]

But again, you might just go to justice of Peace for your second wedding because you know, the big, big, Big Shabam ain't what it is no more.

[Parks]

Good luck selling that one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Ish]

No, because a lot of times the

[Parks]

women are in the second marriage gonna

[Ish]

be in the second marriage.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It has to be. You can't be nobody first. If you especially. I'm good. I couldn't do it again. How about you Flip.

[Flip]

What? I wouldn't marry again. No.

[Joe Budden]

No. Mm.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mm.

[Flip]

But what feels good is that you're able to grow with a person. I think that that's what I love about my relationship with my wife. You're able to grow. You growing. And she putting up with what she putting up with. I put up what I put up with. And we able to overcome and come together.

[Parks]

So inspirational.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. You know the funny shit, you don't even have, like, the marriage lingo. We come together and we overcome as a nation. Wait, what?

[Flip]

You don't know the steps to take. Watch your

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

two.

[Flip]

Y' all do all that other. At the end of the day, you. You gotta build with somebody, man.

[Joe Budden]

True, indeed.

[Flip]

You gotta build with somebody. And that's what it is. Like, my wife watched me grow from nothing to something, so that means something, regardless of what it is. For her to say no, for real. For her to say, yo, yo. For her to say, yo, I see a difference in this behavior. I see a difference in you just as a human. Then it's not only her. You got kids. My children are older. My daughter's vocal. You know, these things happen.

[Joe Budden]

That's when you really be trying to reel it in. And I got kids.

[Flip]

No, I do got you.

[Joe Budden]

When he see he losing the crowd of his marriage linger like, hey, that's the thing. No, we got kids.

[Flip]

That's why them out there be playing around my marriage.

[Joe Budden]

All right, I'm sorry. I'M sorry.

[Flip]

Be on the Internet. Watch what I do.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God, my marriage. Oh, my Lord, I'm so scared of itch. Girl, you heard her.

[Flip]

Don't try changing that.

[Joe Budden]

She's scared.

[Parks]

Cause you be playing with her.

[Joe Budden]

Don't call that lady again. All right. Lewis Hamilton shares Mark's views on being a billionaire. And even if we believe it from Mark, I. I'm bringing it up to ask if y' all believe it from this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got the audio? I thought he said some powerful.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, Mark. When do you ever just think somebody is full of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Somebody could be full of.

[Joe Budden]

Off camera.

[Ish]

Off camera in the kitchen.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I know the lying. All right. All right. Lewis Hamilton like to hear. Here we go.

[Flip]

One of the things that I'm like, I struggle with every day is and it's just how life is and it's been the way for thousands of years that there is such a disparity between wealthy and the poor. And you know, you still, when you drive around la, there's still so many people living on the streets. You shouldn't be able to have billions. Right. I think there should be a limit to how much you can have because there's enough to go around to everyone. So. So somehow creating a law that creates more equality. Yeah. And equal access to. For everyone. You know, I don't know how that you would implement. Implement that law.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's all good.

[Flip]

But like, geez, man, I've met kids that are starving. Yeah, same. And you think, oh yeah, same. How are we? We are so, so lucky. So many of us. Of your everyday is so, so important. The one of the things that I'm.

[Joe Budden]

All right. Do we believe Lewis Hamilton, whose net worth is estimated between 450 and 550 million, who is also rumored to be dating Kim Kardashian, whose net worth is somewhere in a lot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it's 1.9 or 1.6, something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Do we believe Lewis Hamilton or is this so some new trendy dope shit that mega wealthy people are using to be relatable?

[Ish]

I believe

[Parks]

the latter. Somewhere between. Somewhere between.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I was gonna say the key word to me in his. Everything he said was the word struggle. He said, I struggle with this. So for me, it was like he was saying, I know I got too much money to be saying this shit, but I do believe it to be true. But what that usually means in the final analysis is, is I'm not willing to do anything about it.

[Joe Budden]

See that part.

[Ish]

I think that the major part of what he said that I agree with is there is a disparity that's too big and it's continuously growing between the have and the have nots. True, that is a thing. And I've been coming up here talking about this shit for five years. It's growing rapidly too.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Ish]

But that still doesn't mean that, that if somebody doesn't have their billions that the money is gonna be allocated properly to the have nots also probably. You get what I'm saying? Like, yo, it's not like, yo, if all these people gave up their billions, I still think that the government is controlling the allocation to more missiles. There you go, there's right there. More tanks, more missiles, more submarines, more private sludge funds that motherfuckers gonna be just getting richer and richer from. I don't think that the billionaires are the cause of poverty, Mark.

[Flip]

I hear when you talk about billionaires and not liking them, but what do you say to the ones that donate money to charities and to the people? What do you say to them?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I know drug dealers would do that.

[Flip]

Yeah, but okay, I mean, you know what I'm saying?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like acts of philanthropy to me don't they don't. They don't make my point, but they also don't undermine my point. I think they're just a separate thing, you know, for me it's not. That's why I never focus on individual billionaires. I don't even like to say I don't like billionaires. I don't like the existence of billionaires. It's not particular billionaires. You know what I mean? It's about, it's the system that produces billionaires. That's what needs to be dismantled. Because to Ish's point, yeah. In the current system, if we were to take a bunch of money and throw it back into the middle, it would make its way back to the same hands eventually, or different hands. But it would still be hoarding of wealth. It would still be oligarchic power. So for me it's how do we reimagine and rearrange the system so that we don't have this big gap between having the and have gaps. Because it's not like billion is just the magic number where like, you know, like the price is right. Like if I just stay right at the 999 mark, everything will be fine. If people have half a billion dollars, if there's a world where lots of people have half a billion dollars and other people don't have food to eat and they have food insecurity and people who have entire people's wealth is more than entire nations combined. That's a problem. And so ultimately, if you have capitalism, you're going to have mass inequality. And when you have unregulated, unchecked capitalism, you're going to have even more extreme examples. So for me, it's about reimagining that. And that's why I don't go around picking on each individual billionaire. Nor do I go to look at each billionaire and say, but look how much he donated. Look how much he gave that money back. Or she. Cause that's not enough. Even though I appreciate the gesture. What was my man's name? His wife started giving away all the money after they got divorced.

[Parks]

Bezos.

[Joe Budden]

Bezos.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Bezos. I should say. What's her name is really, I should ask. I appreciate what she's doing. Right. But the idea is I'm gonna give away. Or what?

[Parks]

Gates, Buffett. Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This idea of saying, I shouldn't have this much. I'm gonna give it all away. Now, if you give it all away after you die, you know, or you give it all to your kids, that's not the same thing as saying, look, I'm gonna help rearrange the system. That's all I want to see.

[Ish]

Yeah. I just think systemically, we kind of are fucked just by greed and this macho man thing to be the head of the table, you know what I'm saying? So. But I don't think that's fixed with money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's why I want systems. Right? Because I don't know what I would do if I had half a billion dollars. I might be loathe to give it back. You know what I mean? It's hard once you get it.

[Joe Budden]

You would be faithful. You would donate. You would open a school. You would. You would pay a bunch of people's phone bills who couldn't afford to pay them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would do all that.

[Ish]

I would do all that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But, you know, Joe's right, though. But I would be basically, I'd be convinced, convincing myself that I'm the right kind of billionaire. You know, I remember when I was an academic and like, I mean, I still am, but I mean, like, when we were academics trying to convince presidents to move differently. And I remember when Cornel west was talking to Bill Clinton, he had Clinton's ear. And all the academics like, bill, fuck that, man. You now sitting in the White House with the powerful. You should be on the outside criticizing power. You shouldn't be at the events. You should be in the power. There was this debate and a lot of the same people that got mad at him for being in the Clinton White House, when they got into the Obama White House, they were like, well, it's different now. Cause you know, I can explain that I'm doing something different or the Bush White House or whatever. It's like everybody thinks they can do something different with the power. And I'm saying that's the human nature. That's part of human greed. That's also part of human ego. So I'm saying I want to have systems in place so that my ego can't win, you know, so my, you know, that's all.

[Joe Budden]

But so y' all do believe Lewis Hamilton?

[Ish]

I believe folks, I believe he feels that way.

[Parks]

But if he had a sweet ass accent, if he didn't have a.

[Ish]

He's also not gonna take less money for driving a car.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That part, right?

[Ish]

Lewis Hamilton's might be his net worth, might be higher than that. He been getting money for a long time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the problem. So everybody wanna go to heaven. Don't nobody wanna die?

[Ish]

Don't nobody want dead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I'm saying? Like at the end of the day, I believe he believes it. But again, are you gonna walk it?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, when Shannon asked Nick Neil DeGrasse, do you. Would you want to live forever? That's another one of those times.

[Parks]

Oh yeah, he loves.

[Joe Budden]

He lights up.

[Ish]

What'd he say?

[Joe Budden]

Well, he said no.

[Ish]

What's his reasoning?

[Joe Budden]

He smoked that.

[Ish]

Do you remember?

[Joe Budden]

I'm too stupid to tell you. He said part of the. He said he wakes up and he lives every day like his last. And. And he's fulfilled, more fulfilled than ever today. And long story short, he said part of that is because of the urgency. Yes, that comes with life. And then he gave this ill ass example of a dog is happy every time they see you. A dog is said to live however many times. What is it fucking A human's day is seven years. Yeah, seven years or some shit like that. So he said so it could be that the dog when he sees you is just been a week. That's the dog being excited, taking full advantage of. Because the dog knows that he only has a certain amount of time to see you. So he said if he were to live forever, that urgency wouldn't be there. It would take some of the oomph out of what life has to offer. He said it in a way more

[Ish]

if you know you ain't gonna die,

[Parks]

it would also suck to see Everyone die mad times. Yeah. Like, that would be horrible existence. Every person that you love and care about dies and you just keep going. Like, that would be miserable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But also, what does not dying look like? Does it mean, like, you get to be, like, in your prime for a long time? Are you, like, at 60 for a long time? Or are you like that relative that just refuses to die? You know, you don't got that relative. You don't want them to die. But feeble bodies, life would be easier if they. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Then he was like, he went back to whatever time where life expectancy was 30 and people were only living to be 30. And then he said, before medicine, modern medicine, then that extended to 50, and now today, it's the longest ever. He. He was smoking. He's just.

[Parks]

When he said, oh, by the way, they were all eating completely organic back then, I was like, damn.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

solid point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Parks]

Like, we're so.

[Joe Budden]

By now we gotta know that they're killing us through food.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ish]

But they didn't have smog.

[Flip]

Yeah, all this, all that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, true. They didn't have what?

[Ish]

Smog.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you want to challenge new to ground?

[Ish]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Ever. Go ahead.

[Ish]

You ain't going to want to get more money off me.

[Flip]

Stop your. Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I am. I know 100% what you talking about. Every day. I go home every day and think of new ways to make more money over kid me.

[Ish]

We know.

[Joe Budden]

I am trying to get Neil DeGrasse up here, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If he came up here, would y' all debate him? Would y' all disagree with him on. Would y' all back down?

[Joe Budden]

I have my same disagreement that I have with him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Other than that, what's that? Astrology.

[Joe Budden]

What is it?

[Parks]

God.

[Joe Budden]

I disagree with him on astrology, but the afterlife stuff, I've said a million times.

[Parks]

His astrology shit is pretty good point too, is that the times are not the same times they were when they invented astrology.

[Joe Budden]

Right, says him.

[Parks]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

There are other people that say some of those things that the zodiac was based on that is the same and that other things have changed. Again, I'm no expert in the field. I'd have to talk to some of them mediator people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife was. We were watching that clip.

[Joe Budden]

Mediator people, mediums.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My wife's a Gemini and she was making. And she's super into science and reason. She's not into the spooky stuff. But she was like. She's like, but Gemini. She's like, there's just a disproportionate number of incredibly gifted Geminis. And she started naming all the people the Princes, the Geminis, the Michaels, the. And she's like, in, like, every field, every sport, there's like, these, like, Geminis who kind of lead the pack. So, I mean, it could. I don't know what the correlation is, but, I mean, there is a kind of way, science be damned, that it feels like something is. There might be something to it.

[Joe Budden]

See, and that's the only thing where I get like this with Neil DeGrasse, because, like, some point, for me, it's beyond science.

[Parks]

I guess that would be my only question for him is, where are you? Science be damned.

[Ish]

This is a funny thing. It is science.

[Parks]

That's his science be damned.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no.

[Parks]

My question for him would be, is there anything that you're just like, I don't care about science?

[Joe Budden]

He would say, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He would say, no, science is his religion.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. He would say, absolutely not.

[Parks]

But we're all religious and we bend the rules a little bit. Back to your prayer shit.

[Joe Budden]

And even when I asked him something like that, when I interviewed him, he was like, well, science is figuring out the unknown. So where will there ever be a world where it doesn't come down to science? Science.

[Ish]

That's right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, it's interesting because I was just gonna say ice, obviously is sick from the rain.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He believes that. Science be damned. You get sick from the rain.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And believes. You should say it to your boss

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

who follows you across this rain. Got me up not. Girls love karaoke with no windows, Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not the tequila. But I'm just saying. What. What is y' all. Science be like? I. I don't care what the fuck the scientists say. This shit is. This shit is true.

[Ish]

Nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing.

[Ish]

I think it's a medium, and I think that it's certain things we just haven't figured out yet. So when you start talking about, let's say, religion and you start talking about prayer, the scientific people will break it down to the law of attraction and frequencies. And once you get on the same frequency as somebody else, you can will shit to you. That's how they justify it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That makes sense.

[Ish]

You get what I'm saying? So if you look at it from a scientific. Scientific perspective, they feel like sick people can be healed through other means that they justify scientifically as opposed to religiously.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause I got a science be damned, which is clairvoyance. I still once a year will talk to a clairvoyant to find out what my next year is gonna be like to find out that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I guess that is science be damned. Yeah, that is science be damned.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's very science be damned.

[Joe Budden]

I definitely would do the same and have done and believe in that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And I know lots of frauds. My deep dive on YouTube is watching all the fake psychics get exposed. But still, some gifted people out here. There are some people who I believe got some gifts.

[Joe Budden]

I was tripping out yesterday as I was in Line on 31st street at the Garden, because I looked across the street, and I noticed it was a small, tiny door that in 99 or 98, I went to, and that's where clairvoyant was. And I went there for a reason. I went one time, she told me I'd be super wealthy and famous and all this. And I left this.

[Ish]

That's what Claire was. And she was a voyeur.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I knew a lot of women back in the day that knew a clairvoyant or medium or somebody that they trusted and swore by, and I believe in it.

[Flip]

What makes you guys believe. Believe in this?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The person who introduced me to one, I trusted her judgment, so.

[Flip]

Not because anything that they said came true?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, I mean, that's what drove me to it. But I was still skeptical. This was like an old black man, you know, that wasn't his primary business. He wasn't like, I'm a professional. He was like an artist, you know? But when he did that, you met with him. He did, like, a prayer. He did some stuff. And the stuff he was telling me was so lucid and clear, you start crying, would you say start crying? No, no, I ain't trying to be funny. No, no. It wasn't like that kind of stuff, but it was. It was just powerful. You know what I mean? And again, if somebody said that's all bullshit, I wouldn't argue with them, because, again, the evidence is against this. Right. Science is against this. But what the shit? He told me, and for years, he was my spiritual advisor.

[Joe Budden]

See, at some point, it's no longer evidentiary. Like, at some point, like, to answer your question, why?

[Flip]

Because it's relatability.

[Joe Budden]

Because they could say things. I'm speaking from my belief system, and everybody's belief system is based off absolutely nothing. It's based off wherever the fuck you can drive it from. But I believe that all humans come from God. I do believe that God is super powerful. I'll save you, my spiritual realm. I believe that because of that, all humans do have a superpower.

[Ish]

They do.

[Joe Budden]

All of them. And I believe it's been like that since the beginning of time. It's up to us and community to find out what that is. But clear the clairvoyant and the medium and being able to sense and read. That's just one of the things. It's just one of the things.

[Ish]

I agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

I love speaking to people and finding out whatever it is. Their thing is that I'm super poor at. And would be poor no matter how many hours I spent on it. That's their thing.

[Ish]

Some people could just.

[Joe Budden]

Some people are gifted.

[Ish]

You can just walk up to a. A piano. Never seen a piano in their life. And they could just literally sit down and start playing that shit to where you think they are classically trained. Some people just are gifted.

[Joe Budden]

And let's take it off clairvoyance. Right. You ever be on a bus or a train or somewhere and see an older black woman and she look at you and just know what's going on?

[Flip]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it's kind of in the same.

[Ish]

Sweetie, it's gonna be all right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's kind of in the same vein of that some people could feel.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Differently than other people.

[Flip]

That's fair.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Okay, so if it. Not because it's written all over your face or because it's just. And you ask.

[Joe Budden]

If you're asking me, every one of them that I saw. Let me. Let me not. Let me not over exaggerate because we have a serious talk. I've seen in my Life. Call it 12 of them. Really? Yeah. Yeah, call it 12 of them.

[Ish]

I've never seen them.

[Parks]

Me either.

[Joe Budden]

Eight of them said, and this is dating back from when I was 16. I was 16, 15, getting on a bus with a bus ticket, and the lady is sitting in the front, just grab your hand and just get to talking. I didn't ask for it.

[Ish]

That's happened.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you're gonna be this. You're gonna be this. Don't worry about it. Whatever you're going through in the future. So enough of them have said the same thing to. Whereas enough time has passed, and in hindsight, you'd be like, well, God damn, did they smoke that tape?

[Ish]

But the funny part is you can't be religious and not believe some of this stuff, because religion is based on that. Like, Jesus is Jesus. He's a one of one. But you also gotta believe that God is the creator. He made other people that are gifted, maybe not to the level of where Jesus was, but it's other people out here with spiritual gifts or gifts Nonetheless.

[Flip]

But in the ones that's representing it publicly or being proved wrong. So is it because you guys.

[Joe Budden]

Well, now you get into the world of Miss Cleo and all.

[Ish]

No, now you get into the world of capitalism and money.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Some people not doing it for a bit.

[Flip]

If you walk on a bus and

[Ish]

somebody tap you and say, yo, I know you be going through.

[Joe Budden]

Boom, boom.

[Ish]

And they outline some shit that you've been going through in your personal life, they didn't ask you for a dollar. Yo, you gonna get over that. Don't even worry about it. You gonna get over it.

[Flip]

Okay.

[Ish]

That's why I asked you. Did you cry? Because everybody that I know that have gone to this. Them, they told me that they were so accurate in how they were. You know what I mean? That they just broke down, they start purging because they couldn't even realize that somebody would know that much about you that you never met before.

[Joe Budden]

And I've sat with some where I felt like they were a scammer.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Like I've said, if I. If I saw 12 and seven or eight of them kind of said the same thing in hindsight, and they smoked that, then three or four of them, as soon as I sat down, I could tell it was cameras. Like, they said something that was.

[Ish]

Was generic applic.

[Joe Budden]

Generic and applicable to just anybody who said, oh, you know, someone is not healthy. Oh, someone in your life. You have to watch them. Nah, dog. Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And efficient for information. They say things.

[Flip]

It's a trick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a lot of all of it, though.

[Flip]

I'm just saying the ones that do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm telling you. But. But yeah, the ones who are good are good.

[Ish]

Older May Brown.

[Joe Budden]

Who's older?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Me Brown.

[Ish]

The lady from Ghosts.

[Flip]

Whoopy.

[Joe Budden]

Ghost Flip.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you have anything that you believe, like, regardless of what science say, even if it. You just like it. I believe it anyway.

[Flip]

I. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't believe in a lot of

[Joe Budden]

things that went exactly how I. Yeah, I mean, you do, though. If you. If you think, you probably never thought about it. Right. But if you just didn't think you do.

[Flip]

I believe in God.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

But there's a lot of things that are being. When you go down these.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the easy one.

[Flip]

Exactly. But when you go down these rabbit holes, a lot of things are being debunked and stuff like that. It comes off as it's being debunked. So you start to question things, you know, What I'm saying, you start to say, okay, is that really real? Or, you know. And I feel like a lot of people when it comes to that. It's relatability, it's experience. It's knowing what to say, when to say it. Sometimes it's written all over your face. There's been plenty of times that's what's in my industry. I don't think I have. Have a gift. But are you all right, Mitch? Just because I know that a person might be in deep thought.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you read people. You walk. You've walked up to me and just been like, you good? Even when I'm not. Because I know Joe says I sort of don't have a poker face. And when I'm going through something, which

[Joe Budden]

is true sometimes, and you go through stuff a lot like you don't be good.

[Flip]

Yeah. I mean, but.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm saying, you know, you're right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're right. But I'm saying, even when I'm not doing that flip can sometimes detect something.

[Flip]

Yeah, but I'm next to you.

[Joe Budden]

He calls me the same way.

[Ish]

He do that to me. Yeah.

[Parks]

You might be a clerk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Point.

[Flip]

You might be.

[Joe Budden]

And now that I'm looking at you, you do have. You know that other look.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You look.

[Joe Budden]

What look? You know the look. You know, you got the. Come on.

[Flip]

What's the look, though? Tell me them Arabic.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, but there are in it. His R in Arabic.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I said no, not Arabic, but

[Joe Budden]

there's an R. Oh, yeah, and Arabic too. Whatever you coming up with. It's Arabic too. You got a different. What's the look? You look good, though.

[Flip]

Does it start with a R?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

If I ice, I slap the out of you for your beard dye looking. All right. You think you coming here with beard dye looking good while my text that and tell him where you getting your shit from? He got paid. You got your shit look natural a little bit. Somehow it look natural, period.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your shit look good.

[Parks]

It does.

[Flip]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. He got paid 1,500.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got that done in China.

[Flip]

Nah, nah, nigga, nah.

[Joe Budden]

He got it done before he went out there, unfortunately. Before he went out there. Hey, for somebody out there to think he's older than he is, right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can't be giving away stuff to the poor looking.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, looking.

[Flip]

Yo, you guys are ignorant. But back to what I was saying.

[Joe Budden]

We. We over there. The clearboy. Yeah, yeah. Now we done with that.

[Flip]

I got you. I got you.

[Joe Budden]

As I know I'm ready To end this part, I want to go to Flo de Mayo.

[Parks]

That's a random craving right now.

[Joe Budden]

It is, it is. I miss floating. Flo de Mayo.

[Parks]

The spot up top.

[Flip]

If you going, I'm going.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta go to Flo de Mayo. Flo de Mayo.

[Ish]

I only know girls that just be in the middle of an activity and be like, ain't you hungry?

[Joe Budden]

I want some such and such. Yo, what is wrong with you?

[Flip]

A lot of girls that do that, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Flip]

Still out there talking to. Come on, man. That's why she upset. That's why she upset.

[Ish]

Females flip.

[Joe Budden]

Flo de Mile is a New York City staple. They got one on 101st street, if my memory serves right. The other one is on 89th. Oh, okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Parks]

The one's further up then.

[Joe Budden]

That's the one I'm talking about. It's not one of. It's 115, whatever street that is, but the one is the one on 89th. They're known for their nutcracker. They invented the to go. Nutcracker is gonna be this big, and everybody's gonna want one. So in the summer, that was the thing. And those are the fucking Asians making Dominican food. And the Dominicans making Asian food. So De Mayo is. Yeah, it was at the spot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Send me some New York spots. I ended up said,

[Joe Budden]

shout out to Don pool. I'm never gonna say nothing bad. No, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I was like, I know, like, the. The spots that people go to, but I don't know, like, the good spots.

[Flip]

Don't pull it up.

[Parks]

Not good spots, but the low spots.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, the low spot. That's what I'm trying to say. Because I went in there thinking it was my wife's birthday. We were in New York. I was like, let's just, you know, let's go there.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's nice. But go to Florida.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

May. I want to find some other spots. It's not like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, it be nice. What else is important, unimportant to your wife?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Flip]

Tell us happy birthday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I will.

[Joe Budden]

I will. Oh, yeah, Tell us happy birthday.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She loves y'. All. I told her you was your idea to go to book and shop house in case it didn't work out.

[Joe Budden]

I see that. That's the role I play. And you guys is. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was like, that's another thing y' all bond over.

[Ish]

You don't think other niggas play that role in yours.

[Joe Budden]

They don't.

[Flip]

What's the role? Wait, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

They don't I wanna. There's never a time in y' all

[Flip]

relationship I wanna keep up.

[Joe Budden]

Keep up where I blame anything on y' all or put y' all in the mix or story. Not a woman once you talk too

[Ish]

much for a living, bro.

[Joe Budden]

I'm telling you something. I don't say nothing about your own, okay? And I'm where I'm supposed to be at all times, dude. So there's no point in bringing y' all up at all times. Sorry, buddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say more. Flip.

[Flip]

I'm not doing that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying that's the thing of this part. This part. That's what they do. Then they shut the up because I can't.

[Flip]

I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Do you know that I was somewhere where I was.

[Flip]

I don't know that you were somewhere,

[Joe Budden]

but that's what it sound like. Like, so when I listen back with my girl, it's going to sound like I'm co signing whatever.

[Flip]

Don't co sign nothing. Because I said hello today and she gave me the stern look. Too high. Flip. You know what I mean? Shout out to Sade. But no, I'm not saying you are where you supposed to be, but some of us are. Act.

[Parks]

What? ACT do that big ACT

[Ish]

out here killing.

[Parks]

He is always big.

[Joe Budden]

ACT is absolutely killing.

[Parks]

Stir up.

[Joe Budden]

I've been too busy to do my real deep dive on ACT to see what's going on, but it's been a few pods where I've wanted to come in here and say I gotta get to the bottom of what's going on between ACT and Charlamagne.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't know that story. I just keep seeing a lot of

[Ish]

back and forth they been shooting on each other.

[Flip]

I thought they were cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Based on what I've seen from the blogs. I haven't heard them do it kinda.

[Joe Budden]

But no. But yes, like passive aggressively.

[Flip]

It got nasty.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Flip]

The shit I saw, it got nasty.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, because neither one of them is claiming to be actually shooting at each other. That's why I'm saying passive aggressive. I think all of it is nasty. But from what I've gathered, Mark. And I'm pointing at you, but I'm shocked and disappointed. From what I gather, Charlamagne called ack and was like, yo, there's some. There's a smear campaign. There's some things about to happen because of your homeboy that runs his Academics TV page. Whoever this nigga.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, that's what I heard. And they were saying charlamagne.

[Joe Budden]

So he was saying a whole Bunch of shit. So Charlamagne called Act to hip him the game. Like, yo, there's some people that's gonna be. And this is why they're gonna be doing that. Because of the page and yada, yada. And act was like, all right, well, who is it? And Charlamagne said, well, I can't tell you. And then act went on stream and was like, all right, you can't tell me? Then you down. And then from there, they start digging up a whole bunch of shit that I'm not getting into with Charlamagne. Cause it's all pigs playing them in mud. I'm not into none of that, but it's just been back and forth. I didn't bring up act to talk about that. Cause I don't have all the details there. I do want to get to the bottom of it, but I've been calling them two sending shots for ages. And everybody told me I was crazy. Well, act told me I was crazy. I'm bringing up act because he interviewed Daphne Joy off the hill of journalism. Yeah, man. I love it. I like it. Act. I liked it. I did. It was great.

[Ish]

I liked it.

[Joe Budden]

It was unexpected, and I liked it. And you fell victim. Yep. She got you, buddy. She got you. I seen it with my own two eyes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like, spin job.

[Joe Budden]

That's. Oh, my God. It wash, repeat. Yo, she could have taken. Took every coin from him in that moment. She could have just handed him a napkin and said, wire it over. And it would have been sent in the next five minutes.

[Ish]

It was fun, though. Like, AK was just in his bag.

[Joe Budden]

Like, in his bag.

[Ish]

I was like, yo, he's really smitten. Like, I'm just sitting there. He's gonna.

[Joe Budden]

It made it. It made for such a great interview. Whether he was faking it or whether it was real. I don't think he was faking it. Yeah, because he kept swinging for. He was like, what's up? I got money.

[Ish]

He like, you better stop playing.

[Joe Budden]

I got money. What's up? If. So, if we went on a date, could I fuck on the first night? So you on only bit. Can I get a free only bit? Like, he was swinging for it. But anyway, here we go. Let's see. Kind of like submissive. I like that.

[Daphne Joy]

Yeah. I would definitely say I'm submissive. And I could definitely take control in the bedroom. Wendy.

[Joe Budden]

Thank God. I have years of experience with this. I can see how one would melt. Yeah. How could you not see it?

[Daphne Joy]

I can. I can definitely. Like, I just know I Just. I just know. My man.

[Joe Budden]

Jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Afterwards.

[Joe Budden]

Jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz, jizz. I'm rewinding it. Jizz, jizz, jizz.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Submissive.

[Joe Budden]

I like that. I'll let it play for more.

[Daphne Joy]

Yeah, I would definitely say I'm submissive and I could definitely. And take control in the bedroom when needed. I can definitely, like, I just know. I just know my hand. I just know when and what. And I'm just really in tune.

[Flip]

So I said, she's taking a baseball bat.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what I mean?

[Ish]

He was wild.

[Daphne Joy]

No, what stood out to me was you being like, listen, I don't usually pay for Kat, but for this one.

[Flip]

No, the offer, so. And Kayla, my line of you. I'm being honest with you.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Daphne Joy]

It wasn't. It wasn't that. It was just that, like, no, I'm dead ass. I just saw the look of.

[Joe Budden]

We know you dead ass. My boy.

[Daphne Joy]

Screenshot I. Even if you have to screenshot yourself, the look that you had, like, you had your mouth open for me and, like, honestly, that's the shape of mine.

[Joe Budden]

Got him the worst.

[Daphne Joy]

You think?

[Parks]

King.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Daphne Joy]

The worshiping king.

[Joe Budden]

I love Mark. Hearing this audio for the first time,

[Daphne Joy]

like, underneath, like, my still, I was like, yeah, we gotta. That'll be a good. That'll be good. I like this. I like this.

[Flip]

You know what I'm realizing?

[Joe Budden]

And that I'mma pause right there. That's where they act. That's where most men die. Right. Right there. This would be. This would be good. You know, you'd have a good time. I can already see, like, if we hung out, you would be.

[Ish]

Because you're funny and I know you're easy to talk to and we would just have a ball.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta hang out at least one time just to see what it would be like, dog.

[Ish]

I'm definitely open to it. It's just, you know, it's a distance in between us. And I'm over there, you're over here. Like, you know, she told this dude

[Joe Budden]

at one point in this interview, you know what I like about you? How much you like me?

[Ish]

She said that it turned me on, the fact that you like me, me

[Flip]

so much and that.

[Ish]

And that's when I said I could do an interview with him. Yeah, I would love to do.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm letting it play. Letting it play. Just for Mark. Dr. Marco. You have to have your password. Like. Like, I gotta have your password.

[Flip]

DM you.

[Joe Budden]

I Gotta check these things. Like, yo, bro, you know, that's my girl.

[Flip]

What are you doing?

[Joe Budden]

What do you think, though? Seriously? This is like. He spoke this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Would you give me your password?

[Ish]

If we're dating, some of this is

[Flip]

the gas out, you know?

[Daphne Joy]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Why not? Yeah, like, check on me, baby. I like that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. I'mma pause it right there. I'm about to go to the bathroom. I know you hard.

[Ish]

Why you always talk about another.

[Joe Budden]

Why you. Why are you hard? Oh, she got you, too. Oh, she got him.

[Flip]

She.

[Joe Budden]

She got Always me ridiculous. Oh, my God. This guy is crazy, son. Forgot all about them gas station flowers. The flower. I think Chase. Chase got like a. A old 24 hour line.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look.

[Joe Budden]

She got him ready to go chase the chase. Like, yo, later, yo, yo, you don't

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

want to turn off you right now.

[Flip]

I got to delete that.

[Joe Budden]

This is over. Yo, there's something about. I'mma pause. It's something about a fire bird's giggle, yo, like, when you a firebird, that. Look, it works.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It does.

[Joe Budden]

Ch.

[Parks]

Fire birds.

[Joe Budden]

Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Mad, stop, stop.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I got experts here. Y', all. Y'. All. Y' all won't speak. Come on, help me out.

[Ish]

Stop playing,

[Joe Budden]

girl. Look, it don't take much for men.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, it don't take much. Cause you could know what they on. It don't matter.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm hearing.

[Ish]

I'm with.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Act like I know what she on. I don't give a fuck.

[Ish]

That's what makes it good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, exactly. Anything.

[Ish]

You ain't got a lot of me. I don't got a lot of you.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But I'm a play in.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody on this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause she is lying to him. But it's like, I know you.

[Ish]

I know it may not be this part.

[Joe Budden]

Audience don't ever really understand when we get to talking about snipers, shooters, and how a hoe or known hoe or escort could get you to do it, too. They always say, oh, y' all immature. Y' all ain't got nothing to talk about. Y' all this, y' all that Joe won't grow up. I mean, it's that. But also, this is in the world.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

These bitches exist. Daphne is. She's good. Yeah, she's good. Over the interview, Daphne got Act telling her to delete her socials. On the interview tip, he's saying, yo, I need your password to your Instagram because I gotta see what niggas is saying. Cause you my girl already.

[Ish]

And guess what she said.

[Joe Budden]

He said that.

[Ish]

That's what she said?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That. Yes, Daddy.

[Parks]

Yes, Paige is still up, but yeah, it don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

Just tell me what I want to hear in that moment.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying. Just want to start.

[Joe Budden]

You need somebody that's just going to tell you what you want to hear. Yes, Daddy. I'll erase that. What? Look at Amani Hayden.

[Daphne Joy]

What does that matter?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ish]

Yo, dog, I ain't going to lie.

[Daphne Joy]

Zeny buty.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, speaking of Flo de Mayo. Look, Asians know Spanish now. I'm telling you.

[Parks]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

No, she have Asian and she's half something else. Yeah, I wouldn't know. She's gonna be half this cop. I don't know what the she is.

[Ish]

No, she told him. He asked.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no. I'm talking. You on birth control. Oh, shit. My God.

[Daphne Joy]

Act.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, are you on birth control? He ready to risk. He ready to come in her.

[Flip]

That's not what happened. She got him.

[Joe Budden]

No, off the zoom. He ready to come on his zoom.

[Parks]

Oh, they're not even in person.

[Joe Budden]

No, they're not in person. They on zoom. And he's orgasming like this. Oh, I just gotta ask. You don't deal with any toxic situations

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

that would block me from.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Like, you know, I start.

[Flip]

You know, I mean, like, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

He blushing.

[Parks]

You feel me?

[Daphne Joy]

Like, yeah, no, I'm. I'm free. I'm a free woman. I don't have any of that toxic energy around me. Or at least I try not to. And. Yeah. No, no. Am I toxic? I'm not toxic, dog.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Flip]

All right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Daphne Joy]

Goodbye.

[Ish]

This is see you later do up here, dog. Gotta think.

[Joe Budden]

You talk. You. You mean you. You with somebody. You with somebody in a whole different realm. This ain't goodbye. This is I'll see you later, dog. I'm on the next flight. Well, not me, but I get.

[Ish]

You want to see me sooner than you think.

[Flip]

What Send you my number, girl.

[Joe Budden]

Look, he keep trying to playfully get it off. I'mma send you my. Send the number. How to send it mid interview. I wouldn't even book this interview without sending.

[Ish]

Already got his number, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Act.

[Ish]

They had to coordinate with you and the time and all of that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That spend it.

[Flip]

He spent it already.

[Joe Budden]

No, I think what AX spends. This is a different level of. This is different. I think act. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

[Parks]

I think you guys are saying two different things.

[Joe Budden]

We are.

[Flip]

She said, she said. She said.

[Joe Budden]

Is she saying that you already spent it while I agree with that.

[Ish]

No, no, I'm not even talking about that. I said I think that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think.

[Joe Budden]

I think it takes. Say you could talk. You think I'm saying it takes more to get it done than what it does. That's what.

[Ish]

Yes. Th percent.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure ACT can afford to get it done. But would he? And will he, now that he's had a f. A glimpse of it, now that he see what it's hidden for and how it made him feel. Just off the. Off the.

[Ish]

Yo, the giggle makes a certain way. Imagine. Imagine with the neck.

[Joe Budden]

She did. She did that off the Gmail chat. Them little bum you be with. It's a whole different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

This is different. This is different.

[Parks]

ACT journalism.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Big ass.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't nobody gonna judge you. Yo. Ain't nobody gonna judge you. Let me play it for you. Let me queue it up. Let me queue it right on up for you. Shout out to Karisha, man. Yo, and every second that this song is out, I know y' all tired of me, so I'm not gonna keep telling y' all about it. But it's turned into a anthem now. Yo, this ain't. This ain't for the chicks at all.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't gonna lie. I heard it Saturday night outside. It was different. It was different.

[Joe Budden]

Well, why the hell you ain't lead with that after all the heat I caught? They been killing me on the nl. Look at his cold. They hate that song. He the only one jamming. Pay on the. Pay on the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pay on.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I heard it Saturday night. I was like, oh, I get it.

[Flip]

That's so fire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It's like a dog whistle for niggas to just start fucking throwing money. But anyway, ain't nobody gonna be manager. Spend it, yo. Spend it. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Most, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead and do it.

[Parks]

You only live once.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever cost.

[Ish]

I appreciate it. The whole interview.

[Joe Budden]

It was a great interview.

[Flip]

Shout out to.

[Joe Budden]

It was a great interview.

[Parks]

A lot of good information in there.

[Joe Budden]

I need. I need to hear Daphne on Mark's Patreon, though.

[Parks]

That's true.

[Ish]

Word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Happily.

[Joe Budden]

You did a tremendous job.

[Ish]

I got one coming.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Parks]

That was double entendre.

[Joe Budden]

They wouldn't be in it together, though, Mar.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She could be in this thing together.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Take a sip. Would you interview Daphne by yourself on. On your Patreon? And how could I fund it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or you can subscribe to my Patreon first. But I would. I would happily Interview her. Daphne, if you're listening, please call me. I got you.

[Ish]

I bet you won't show up to tie, gray suit or on.

[Parks]

Oh, no sweatpants. For the first time in his life.

[Joe Budden]

Great sweatpants. You know he going to make the call again is pop the trunk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, this would definitely be remote.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No remote. No remote. No remote. Face to face.

[Flip]

Is that a remote?

[Joe Budden]

Could Daphne. Could. Could Daphne come to your house for an interview?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My house?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nobody comes to my house for interviews.

[Joe Budden]

Your contact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

And it would be no problem. Everything would be cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it'd be great.

[Joe Budden]

I want to see you interview dad.

[Ish]

Marcus interviewed some of the.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I've interviewed Marcus. Interviewed what now?

[Flip]

Let's have the talk.

[Ish]

Some of the greatest.

[Joe Budden]

Some of the greatest what?

[Ish]

Everything.

[Joe Budden]

Escorts.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've interviewed escorts before.

[Joe Budden]

Some of the greatest escorts. Yay or nay. Has Mark ever for all of his journalism, all of his journalism prowess.

[Ish]

Some beautiful women.

[Joe Budden]

Probably off the record, Mark ain't never interviewed a fucking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There were cameras,

[Parks]

cell phone cameras.

[Joe Budden]

Ish. Would you interview Daphne?

[Ish]

Thousand percent.

[Parks]

I would put a laugh on her.

[Joe Budden]

Where would he live besides. Yeah, where would it live, buddy?

[Ish]

I mean, it's the Internet.

[Joe Budden]

You got a call you put on so YouTube anywhere. He gonna make a YouTube start a Patreon tomorrow. Oh, my go. God. What? You crazy? If Daphne came up here, do you think we would be able to do like, a mature, responsible interview where nobody would try to. Including the money? Yes, I'm trying to. You.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know you Daphne. Hell yeah. We've seen aman action before.

[Joe Budden]

Would you pay? Yeah, see, that's why I with E. That's why I hang out with E. More than y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Parks]

Y'.

[Joe Budden]

All. Yo, I'll be honest.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly. Yo, these be lying, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Flip.

[Flip]

Nah, yo, you okay?

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he would pay. Yes, he would pay. You would just be in her face trying to blink your way to. You would be in a FA doing this. Yo, you get a water. It's just be trying to be cute around. Yes. Pay, pay, time. These ain't them with your little eye trick. Work, pay, pay money. You pay too. You just don't know yet. You just don't know yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think everybody in here, if the situation was where they was on that I. E single, I think everybody here will pay. She's not really my dad, but I'm not saying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not against it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not saying for her. I'm saying for oh, duh. Whoever that.

[Joe Budden]

I only fuck with him because he make it so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

I'm against my money and my money gotta build these houses. Can't pay for pussy. I get pussy for free. That's why I fuck with him. But the owner's entire.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get all that. But if I was. Was my age now and single life would be a lot easier sometime if

[Joe Budden]

you just pay for puss.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody trying to Daphne after she had that 24 inch. 24 inch. I'm keeping my dick to myself. You hear me?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Not her.

[Parks]

Don't scare nothing.

[Joe Budden]

That was great, though. Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. Oh, my God. Anyway, go act, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was.

[Joe Budden]

That was absolutely awesome.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe, since we down this road and it's been on the board for like two weeks now. Why is JBP fan titties on the board?

[Parks]

We just kept it.

[Joe Budden]

We keep trying to. We keep trying to do. I have. I didn't write that.

[Parks]

It came from a conversation with Imani off mic. And we'll get to it at some point. I think it's good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just.

[Parks]

It's evergreen.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'mma erase that shit. Cause it just looks away.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. I keep wanting to know JBP fan titties. All right, so we'll do it on the page.

[Joe Budden]

Anything with titties in it is going to be a good combo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Real quick. Kasanet returned. He did streamers. University 2026. You know, I mean, shout out to Kasanet. You know what I mean? And it's going down. Yo, yo, at some point here, boy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Flip]

This nigga think when I get quiet, first of all, I don't feel good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But when I get quiet like this raindrops.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Flip]

Yeah, when I get quiet, I just have to. Conversation. Conversation. You know that this says, pay attention, subscribe to Patreon and look at the behind the scenes conversation. But best believe me and him will go at it. We back. Hold on, Chad, don't jump in. Me and him go at it, bro.

[Joe Budden]

We back.

[Flip]

We back on that. Bakasanata is back. Streamers, University 2026. He looks good. I'm happy to see that he's back. I'm happy to see that he's, you know, going back to, you know, what he's known for and just. It's just good to see him back streaming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

For sure. He too.

[Flip]

Let me chat. Yeah, it could be police or whatever. N. I got my own shit, nigga. Speaking of which, you police turn up here. See, I don't want to get started with, you mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not trying to start. I was about to ask you, did you take the. Cause people up here. You weren't here. And I had your back.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Flip]

They said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They were saying that the Drewski thing was a shot at you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah.

[Flip]

I mean, that's some Internet shit that his peoples make up.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think I said it too.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's his shit that he wants.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They said it up here on the show.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't just the Internet. Who said that? Me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't me. I had your back. That's what I'm saying. For real.

[Parks]

Oh, I think I. I thought he

[Joe Budden]

was shooting at you. I thought that. That. What is that? The light blue? The turquoise? Yeah.

[Parks]

The starter jacket.

[Joe Budden]

Turquoise. The gray beard.

[Parks]

Starter jacket. That was you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You didn't.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't think about that at all,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Girl, I had your back. I said no. I said, he doesn't even know who

[Flip]

is like a play.

[Joe Budden]

Like a play.

[Flip]

Why you think you don't know who I am?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He does.

[Flip]

Nah, I didn't think he was shooting at me. I saw it on the Internet. I saw it on the Internet. They was tagging me like. Like I didn't know where they got it from. I'm like, why the they tagged me in this bullshit? But nah, I don't think he's shooting at me, man.

[Joe Budden]

Busy at that Trinidad Turkey giveaway. Boy ain't probably ain't even seen what was hot in America. New stuff.

[Flip]

No, I saw him. I saw this shit. Like, I raised these niggas. I don't do that. That's not flip. If you made that up, I'm have

[Joe Budden]

to get at you again. 15 hours. I can't wait till the footage drop.

[Flip]

It's going to drop tomorrow.

[Joe Budden]

I can't wait to see it.

[Flip]

I got y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Flip]

Me and my wife. I gotta tell y' all niggas off camera, yo.

[Joe Budden]

No, now I gotta. Now I. Now I have to. Y' all put me in fucking compromising predicaments. Pause. Now I have to pay Daphne Joy to come up here.

[Flip]

Why?

[Joe Budden]

Right? Don't I have to word probably, like for real. No doubt you'll put in with me. No. Cause then you're gonna be trying to battle with me again. Yeah, yeah. The second EC her trying to smoke hookah with me. He gonna come over trying to hit a note, hit a little sing songy and ish. Gonna come over, try to sell merch. Nah, yo, nah, yo. I might have to bring back humans Might have to bring back humans for that. Daphne Joyce. I just want to see Mark interview Daphne Joy. I don't know why.

[Flip]

Why?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'd be good.

[Parks]

Yeah, he's a pro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm pro.

[Parks]

I did buy consummate professional.

[Joe Budden]

Mark would ask the hard hitting questions.

[Parks]

He would.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can get the best out of it.

[Joe Budden]

Juicy would love that interview. Shout out to Juicy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, shout out to Juicy.

[Joe Budden]

She is fan of. She's the president of Markhi. That's what I'm saying. She would love to interview. Look at you.

[Ish]

Yeah, you gotta play I don't know who they spin it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's jbtv.

[Joe Budden]

Huh. What is that? Ish.

[Ish]

I play a song with spin in it with spin.

[Joe Budden]

Poor act, man. Not even poor act because that's a good thing. That's a great thing with when. When you. It's up. Cuz sometimes we talk about getting spun like this is a bad thing. But I feel like the act is not.

[Ish]

If you dive in the washing machine.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Guess what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Ish]

If you know what it is, you ain't getting spun.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what we've said in the other ep. In the picture, you become complicit.

[Joe Budden]

Girls just look different when you know your dick can't break them.

[Flip]

They look uglier than you.

[Joe Budden]

No, they like invention, sensible. Like Shira. Like Shatara Shira. She was girl he man, right? Girl he man hungry. I'm old as hell.

[Ish]

You see they got a movie. You see they got a movie out.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

He man, he man, he man got a movie.

[Joe Budden]

Get out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Hell yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I am gonna go see Stupid ass Master Masters. I am going to see Obsession.

[Parks]

I want to see it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to go see it.

[Parks]

I was supposed to go.

[Joe Budden]

You got me mean. It's good.

[Parks]

I was supposed to go this weekend,

[Joe Budden]

but Governor's ball, I am going to go see Obsession. I think that Christopher Nolan is the man for putting out Odyssey commercials on the pre sale tip.

[Parks]

Yeah, word. Hey y', all, I got an email.

[Joe Budden]

You can pre. You can pre order tickets now, but this ain't coming out no time, so. And at the end of the commercial, they still don't tell you when that movie's coming.

[Parks]

I went to look, I was like, oh, it must be coming out soon.

[Joe Budden]

There's nowhere

[Ish]

mad far I'm going to see.

[Parks]

I'm tempted to buy the tickets though.

[Ish]

How long does it pause? Like it's gotta be. Like it's gotta be three and change. Christopher Nolan, the Odyssey.

[Flip]

It gotta Be three and changed that movie.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody explained to me, do I need to go imax?

[Parks]

I want to.

[Joe Budden]

Or is it a huge difference?

[Parks]

Tonight I'm gonna go to whatever my shit is. I don't know if it's imax, but they got the comfortable seats in the big ass screen. I don't know if it's a technically imax, but.

[Ish]

No, they got different levels of the eyes.

[Parks]

Yeah, they do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the.

[Flip]

Where you make a. He made the wish.

[Ish]

No, they got the one with the water be splashing and all that. They got one with a seatbelt. Yeah, they got all that.

[Flip]

That's the 4 dx. You've been to that one?

[Ish]

I've been there before.

[Flip]

He's with a young joint. Huh.

[Joe Budden]

Interesting.

[Ish]

Oh, they ain't no.

[Joe Budden]

I did finish Nemesis. I'm not here with a Nemesis wrap up take.

[Parks]

Oh. Cause I would hate for you to spoil it, but.

[Joe Budden]

But I can't believe that they got the nerve to end with a cliffhanger.

[Ish]

I can't believe that Nemesis.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on. I watched eight episodes and y' all got the nerve to get to the end and Coltrane throw up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Deduce.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, catch you later. Yo. And y' all got me. Cause I am gonna watch season two of Nemesis whenever it comes out. This fucking good ass horrible show.

[Ish]

Yo, hold up. What? I saw them all.

[Joe Budden]

It got great though.

[Parks]

Does it?

[Joe Budden]

6, 7 and 8 was good. Okay, 6, 7 and 8 compared to where it started.

[Ish]

Told him hold the pressure.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. That's a clip. That's a cliffhanger. Coltrane escaped. He did Somehow it did talk at the end too. Oh my God.

[Ish]

What world could you have ever beaten me?

[Joe Budden]

Some dumb like that jumped against somebody on Twitter was like, why every single person in Courtney Kemp produced shows have to be the best dressed people on television here.

[Ish]

No park said that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you did. Somebody else.

[Ish]

I think it's the police bro that keeps a five thousand dollar Gucci jacket on in new Jordans.

[Parks]

The hoodies be five thousand dollars.

[Joe Budden]

That police dude, he didn't give a fuck about his kid. His kid kept trying to have a relationship. Nigga move. I gotta go chase somebody that stole from cbs. Then he went, he took him to breakfast or some had a scanner at the scanner. Police scanner on?

[Ish]

No, the up part was the son told him turn the scanner on. He didn't turn it on. The son told him turn it on. And just so happened the bank was getting robbed down the block out of here.

[Parks]

There's no one else that can get here.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Ish]

Nah, he didn't give a about his kid.

[Joe Budden]

I will watch season two of Nemesis whenever it comes out.

[Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I've been at home struggling with who wins between black brunch versus white brunch. Sounds easy.

[Ish]

I don't know nothing about no white brunch.

[Joe Budden]

How you don't know nothing about white brunch?

[Ish]

I've never been to a white brunch.

[Joe Budden]

Every day is white brunch. When is brunch in your house?

[Ish]

Never one. And if it's in my house, it's black.

[Flip]

The fuck?

[Joe Budden]

You always trying to confuse me.

[Ish]

You ain't hear what I said? If it's in my house, it's black.

[Joe Budden]

Oh,

[Flip]

How you gonna lie? You be body.

[Joe Budden]

And these days I'm laughing at Mark Lewis Shimmy.

[Flip]

Y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All ridiculous.

[Flip]

What's the difference between black and white boys?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was gonna ask you. I don't know the thing.

[Joe Budden]

Like chicken and waffles versus eggs Benedict. Shrimp and grits versus what else?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Joe Budden]

I put chicken toast. I put chicken pot pie in the white brunch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, what you say? It ain't a contest. What it sounds like black brunch is better.

[Ish]

Chicken pie and a brunch.

[Parks]

No, I don't know about that.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know enough white brunch to French toast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm about to say it's staples. I need more omelets on the.

[Joe Budden]

I need more white brunch foods.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I think white brunch. Actually, I have been a few white brunches. Yeah. I think about, like, omelets on the little skittle.

[Parks]

Omelets for sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, omelettes for sure. Pancakes, French toast, waffle, you know, regular shit.

[Flip]

It was a good.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of pork, so nothing that comes from.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And some creamy sauces. Yeah. I mean, ain't that many ways to do breakfast. It's the lunch part that makes it a little different. Like black people. Like, you gonna get that fried chicken in there. It's gonna be really good.

[Ish]

Turkish eggs, white frittatas. Eggs Benedict.

[Parks]

Frittata. I didn't know what frittata is.

[Joe Budden]

I feel like white people be jazzing up mushrooms and it'd be fire. Sometime like that.

[Ish]

White cheddar and chives. Scones.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, a scone. Scones. Let's go. Ish.

[Ish]

Whip ricotta toasts.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, sourdough.

[Parks]

Yeah, sourdough.

[Joe Budden]

Something out of here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

White brunches.

[Ish]

Fruit Mini brie bites and journey white fruit salad. That's racist. Combined sliced pears, peel white peaches. Bananas and coconut flakes.

[Joe Budden]

All right. They lose.

[Ish]

I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

You got it, bro.

[Ish]

Yogurt parfait.

[Parks]

Hey, Boo Boo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah? They lose.

[Parks]

I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Even though my mom picks up some really great, like, merchandise that they sell at Cracker Barrel and just put for decor and put it in their house.

[Parks]

I didn't know they sold merchandise.

[Joe Budden]

Me either.

[Flip]

They do.

[Joe Budden]

They have a store before me, and apparently it's fire in the Cracker Barrel store. They do. Anyway.

[Ish]

I'm sorry.

[Flip]

Sure.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

By the way, white brunches were introduced to Bellini and the mimosa, and we stole it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just want to bring that up. We can't take away.

[Joe Budden]

Slow down.

[Parks]

The bloody marries at the white brunch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And the Bloody Mary.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that true?

[Parks]

Yeah. Whites are good drinkers.

[Joe Budden]

The mimosa, the bellini and the Bellini. And.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And the Bloody Mary.

[Parks]

The Bloody Mary.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's Bloody Mary.

[Joe Budden]

What do we. What do we have to combat this, Alicia?

[Ish]

We stole it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We just took all that.

[Joe Budden]

We said it.

[Parks]

They might put a shrimp on the Bloody Mary, too, or a bacon in there or something.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Parks]

They wild out the whites.

[Joe Budden]

Do it with the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They got. They got brunch drinking down.

[Ish]

They put bacon on a.

[Parks]

In the Bloody Mary. Yeah, the big slab.

[Ish]

You got it, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they got that drinking down, though.

[Parks]

Yeah, they do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We ain't got nothing for it.

[Ish]

It says white wine on here, but.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, can I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If.

[Joe Budden]

If Daphne Joy comes. If I pay Daphne Joy to come, can I pay you to drink a lot? I feel like that's against the law to even ask it. But not if he agrees, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true.

[Ish]

Pay who?

[Joe Budden]

You?

[Ish]

Why me?

[Flip]

Seven up here.

[Joe Budden]

I want my money.

[Parks]

But he also knows that he could pay me to drink whatever. Like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. It's not. No.

[Ish]

But why you want me to be outside of my normal self for Daphne Joy? It's seven other co hosts up here.

[Joe Budden]

It's not as much fun for me when they do it. You don't. Gotcha. Come on, please. A wine cooler. Come on. Boom. Farm. Please. Come on, come on. Let me give you a little boon farm or something. Please.

[Flip]

What was that?

[Joe Budden]

Bad dog. Oh, banana, yo.

[Parks]

I had the. I had the little flavored Henny this weekend that, I gotta tell you, ain't bad.

[Joe Budden]

He's such white trash.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which flavor did you get?

[Parks]

All three.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you didn't have a little. Yo. Oh, man.

[Parks]

I mean, it's like. It's. It's already like a pre mixed drink, basically. You just put it in ice, huh? Yeah, it ain't bad.

[Ish]

What are the flavors?

[Parks]

Ice tea. This sounds like an ad Tea.

[Joe Budden]

Berry and Hennessy. Pay us.

[Parks]

Yeah, word.

[Joe Budden]

Pay up.

[Parks]

Yeah. Or at least send me some free Edison.

[Joe Budden]

We will tell people that all this ghetto shit is delicious. Watermelon, Henny iced tea, Jolly Rancher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ish]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm recently finding out just how much money these dispensaries are paying for promotion.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Change my views over. Changing my views of. I'll talk to my parents. Listen, guys, they'll. They'll understand. I ain't know these dispensaries was doing that out here.

[Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Every week I come in here, shout out some, hey, this purple haze is nothing like anything you've ever seen. This is grape. Grape Haze. What the hell? This guy is crazy. Anyway, they making money shots of the dispensary? No. A lot of money. And if you're a dispensary out there that's looking to fucking do something, and you have millions, then reach out.

[Parks]

There you go. It's that simple.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't talking about them dispensaries that I see the podcast that some of y' all advertise with. Now, I'm not y'.

[Flip]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't call me or Ian.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, tell them to call me. Just direct them to me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all want. Send it to me.

[Joe Budden]

Stay. Bringing the. Brandon.

[Flip]

Jesus.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I will bring it all the way down.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see what else is important, unimportant. We went through the Knicks, JLA, Jay Z, new shows, ACT, Daphne Lewis Hamilton, Dr. Umar

[Parks]

McAfee negotiating for 60 million a year. You care who? McAfee. Pat McAfee. ESPN 60.

[Joe Budden]

60 million a year from ESPN.

[Parks]

Allegedly.

[Joe Budden]

And where is he at now?

[Parks]

ESPN.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. How much money? Oh, I don't know.

[Parks]

I forgot what the deal was.

[Joe Budden]

He got 100 million.

[Parks]

It was something stupid.

[Ish]

Yeah, he had a crazy deal. He might have already been us 60.

[Parks]

I don't think he was.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's not 60. I think. I feel like ESPN has found themselves in a position where they have to pay.

[Parks]

Yeah, I'm not going to lie.

[Joe Budden]

Steve got to get paid. Steve. Steve. Stephen A. Smith. Ever since he signed his new deal, every suit he put on look like. Look like the reporter version of Ghost. He looked good with them suits. Shout out to Stephen A. For the suits. Yeah, I feel like they gotta pay. Stephen A. Gotta pay Pat. They gotta pay Pat.

[Ish]

He's currently at 30. Roughly 30. Oh, he ain't even asking, so it'd be double.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't even asking for Pat.

[Parks]

I had to watch. Cause the mainstream on Hulu went down at some point last night, so I had to watch Pat's. And it was actually great. Pat doing the color commentary with his squad.

[Joe Budden]

What. What bothers me about Pat McAfee's show, and I watch it enough to say this, is that Pat got the green light to do and say whatever the he wants. So when he say something just too wild, they just mute it for 15, 20, 25, however long they need to mute it for. And you'll be sitting home saying, yo is my audio. But they'll show him. They'll show his mouth, and it's every.

[Flip]

Ah.

[Joe Budden]

And you're like, okay.

[Parks]

I watch it on YouTube, so I don't got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to Pat.

[Joe Budden]

Max, great show. And what I noticed last week on this show that I never noticed before, I'm always intrigued when I watch shows and YouTube and content creators. I always watch the set. Yeah, I never noticed that on Pat show. Some of those desks are bars, but backward.

[Parks]

I never know.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like if you go to Home Depot, you're looking to buy a bar and set it up in your house. He went and bought a couple and

[Parks]

just turned them around and just turned them turn.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's where the guys are sitting, but the bar is that way. So in your house, you would be sitting on the side that's decorative, but on the show, the decorative side is facing the camera and they're sitting on the other side. I'm like, creative. There it is. Creative move. If anybody out there is thinking about set building, I changed the set building game back in fucking and whatever year that was, I said, all y' all the best. Where was y'?

[Ish]

All?

[Joe Budden]

Ikea, anywhere. They sold a couch and some chairs. Y' all went and bought them stupid. No, they did. We changed the game. We did anyway. And still won't buy new couches. Change the couch game and still will not buy a new couch. That's the end of my list. That breeding families topic that's up there, I wanted to stay there because that's going to be real good. Whenever we get to it. Gil's arena. Whenever we get to what? What's up with Gil and what's happening with him over there, that's going to be real good. Whenever we get to this Gil, shout out to Gil. We absolutely love you. We support you with whatever you're going through. Word. And whenever we find out what JBP

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

fan titties means it's got Imani already all over it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, fan titties. I can't wait to hear. Do you guys have anything that's moving your spirit, burning a hole in your mind, body, soul?

[Parks]

I think we got to it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think we nailed it.

[Joe Budden]

Is that everything you think? Is there anything? Breaking is like breaking news.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just looked at it and seen other than, you know, they asked Jay Z if he's gonna be wearing the afro to the. To his. To his shows in the Bronx. No, in the Bronx. Yankee Stadium. And he said, I don't want to disrespect you by not answering your question. Just let the magic happen. I feel like he's alluding to something special going to happen at Yankee Stadium. So y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So. So be very prepared for something extraordinary.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm gonna be there either way. If nothing extraordinary happened, I'm gonna be there eating fucking chicken tender.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't wait, man. I'll bring the sauce and everything since we gonna be in the same space.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that seems impossible. You gonna bring the sauce. Well played. Well played.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was good.

[Joe Budden]

That was good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on, you got one.

[Joe Budden]

Come on outta here. Hey, tough crowd tonight. You ain't get it. All right, what else is happening? What else is happening? Are we done?

[Flip]

We done?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what's happening.

[Parks]

We're done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

See, if there's a part of the

[Ish]

show I was about, y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Ish]

I see. I was about to be like, dog ain't paying 50 no more. We had no part of the show in months.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. It's just crazy. Let's see. Let's just see. Mm hmm. Listen to the silence as I search. All right, let's see here. Robert. Big Bob got his 50 bucks worth. Send over 90 questions. Is there music from the past five years that you will show your kids who are too young to understand it? Now, hip hop, specifically, I think music that is timeless generally is about love. Can you think of a timeless rap song that doesn't have a popular sample? A popular sample, that would be Tough Temptations by Tupac is one of my favorites. Mine, too. I don't think it has a popular, noticeable sample in the hook or the beat. Do you think the lyrics can work on a different beat, or does the beat carry this song? Temptations? No, I don't think.

[Ish]

Hold up. Time out. What's Temptations?

[Joe Budden]

I knew you wasn't gonna get it

[Ish]

by me saying, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

I got you. I got you.

[Ish]

Now tell me, baby, are you Loving.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you did get it.

[Parks]

There's bad rap songs.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe you would be my Tupac. Phone a friend if I needed to.

[Parks]

There's mad classics, hip hop songs that don't have a popular sample, by the way. Like what mad of them? There's probably more stations.

[Ish]

Ain't a song I would give my kids either.

[Joe Budden]

Lot of. This just reminded me that I want to interview Eric Sermon. Eric Sermon, please come up here.

[Parks]

Once upon a time, the point was to get a not popular sandwich.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Flip

[Parks]

was only puffing them. That made it really popular to grab hits and remix them. But that wasn't a popular way to do it for a bunch of reasons.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When I think about timeless, I mean, timeless is always a funny word. But like songs that I could hear now, I could hear 10 years ago, I hear 20 years ago here. I'm just gonna pick one out like Luccini.

[Parks]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not a popular sample.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a great sample, but it's not a popular sample. Troy.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, am I missing something? That's not a popular sample.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I don't think.

[Parks]

That's not from a big artist. I don't think.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I don't think. I bet you you could ask a hundred people, they couldn't tell you what the genius is.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, maybe you gotta really talk to musicians, period.

[Ish]

That really don't.

[Joe Budden]

When you say popular sample, I'm not taking that to mean that people would be able to identify it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I assume they meant.

[Joe Budden]

Got it. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

As opposed to like more money, more problems. You're like, oh, that's Diana Ross.

[Parks]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think when that came out there that the people jamming were able to identify.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Our generation didn't. But. But our parents were like, that's Diana Ross.

[Ish]

That was 97.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

My dad, I guess Luccini in a second and a half. And all of them.

[Ish]

Father of a musician.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. It's different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. About to say that. I think that's a tough. That's. Or they. Or Troy. You know, I'm just thinking songs like that Tribe, I think, had a bunch of shit that was like, you know, more obscure for sure.

[Parks]

And some that were Can I kick it As a no sample. But there's a bunch.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can I kick is different.

[Parks]

Yeah, there's. It wasn't normal to sample hit records for a bunch of reasons. Mostly financial. Realistically, like you're gonna get smacked over the head for sampling Diana Ross. Whereas if you find some obscure jazz record from the 50s and take a three second piece and Make a bop

[Ish]

out of it and give them some money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Notice.

[Parks]

Hopefully they'll notice. Or if they do, here's three grand. And let's. Let's rock.

[Ish]

Yeah, it's a main source type shit.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But the other piece of that question was about the love part. See, I think a lot of enduring hip hop songs are not about. I mean, we had this whole love song thing last week. I think a lot of hip hop endurance songs aren't about love. Some are like Troy, about loss. I guess it's love on some level.

[Ish]

Loss, social shit. Like, he picked temptations. I would have picked changes.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Ish]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I would have picked changes instead of temptation. I just real shit. It could be about love too. But I just think about more hip hop, more social, or just party records that I would give my kids. Because he started off saying, yo, what. What songs would you introduce to your kids? And the social songs would be the songs I would introduce to my kid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

See, I didn't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I introduced all the songs to. Once I was driving with my oldest and I started just asking him, and then what was. He may have been 16 at this point. Yo, you know Cypress Hill? Do you know Red Man J on some Jersey? Like, do you know these people? Because it's important to your day. Like, no, I played every joint from that era on whatever car ride. It was just because you don't have to care about it. But you need to. It's my job as a parent to have made sure that you heard it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, you need to be literate in it. Like, you need to be able to talk.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't understand why my mom was playing Bobby Brown Prerogative or Anita or Babyface or any of that. But I heard it. Yeah, yeah. So later.

[Ish]

But those was the joint, like.

[Joe Budden]

But at. At my age, I didn't know it was a joint. You have no idea.

[Ish]

But they were popular songs of the time. You took him back.

[Joe Budden]

You won't know it if you don't have a parent that plays it. Indeed, you won't be. You'll be clueless.

[Ish]

Freddie Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, you such a. Oh, Freddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Freddie Jackson, you're such a rat.

[Ish]

What happened?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He already seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but why you in the comments? Oh, I tried to tell him, Freddy,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to play.

[Ish]

You did not do that.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Freddie Jackson posted on his page the clip. He had watched the segment and watched Joe go through his three stages of Freddie Jackson. Freddy Jackson ain't got no hits.

[Joe Budden]

I Never said Freddie Jackson. Now I know he watches. Let's be clear. It was never Freddie Jackson. It was a down. How many hit. There's Freddy Jackson?

[Flip]

No, no, no.

[Ish]

You said two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You were dismissive of his hits. You were dismissive of his hits.

[Ish]

Have you said, nigga, that got two hits?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He learned you real quick.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Flip]

How many hits does he have?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A lot.

[Joe Budden]

He has a bunch. But I lean in things being performative. I didn't play. Now, some of the other names I named, I was serious about, but Freddy Jackson I wasn't serious about. He got hits, but he got more hits than I thought.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. That's all I was saying. And so when Freddie. People kept tagging me and Joe, and at some point I was, you know, I like Freddy Jackson.

[Ish]

I was like, oh, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I tried to tell him, sir, you know, and then he said, you did. He said, but we need to talk about what you said about me and Luther and gave me the side eye.

[Joe Budden]

What'd you say about him and Luther again?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nothing. Oh, that's so.

[Joe Budden]

Don't make me go back to that. I literally didn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I said I would tell y' all in the kitchen, but I didn't tell y' all nothing.

[Ish]

He did.

[Joe Budden]

All right, but tell us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, Freddie's watching.

[Joe Budden]

Whose side are you on?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Here we go.

[Joe Budden]

Are you kidding me?

[Parks]

Freddie's watching.

[Joe Budden]

We gonna drive it ways between us, you and Ish, you know, that's is man. Luther.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Luther is my favorite artist.

[Joe Budden]

Over Freddy.

[Flip]

Yes, Luther.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm really thinking.

[Ish]

My statement was, if it wasn't for Luther Vandross, Freddy Jackson would have been him.

[Joe Budden]

And y' all looked at me like, Freddy Jackson's him.

[Ish]

No, I'm. But of that time, Luther was him and Freddy was second.

[Joe Budden]

But, oh, Luther's one of the greatest. But I mean, Luther is him. Yeah, he's one of the greatest. Karaoke act.

[Ish]

Call it what you want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You just do that. Cause Luther can't talk. Say nothing back.

[Joe Budden]

No, Luther does have a lot of covers, and a lot of them are better than the original. So I'm being funny, but I would never try to use that to discredit who he is and his voice and the hits. And he's too important. Some people are too important to play with. And Luther's one of those people. So it's Freddie, and I can't play with him on the COVID tip, because his covers for me weren't the songs.

[Ish]

No, they were the songs. I didn't know they were covers when you were coming up, up. You didn't know that was a cover.

[Parks]

Covers are fire, too. Bring back covers, man.

[Ish]

We were kids when.

[Joe Budden]

When.

[Ish]

When Luther was killing. Like, didn't know it was a cover.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Superstar. Even Power Love is a cover. Like, all that is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I need to hear the Mariah Scientist version of that. Maybe everybody shouldn't do covers.

[Parks]

I was not across the board, but there is probably something Mariah could do

[Joe Budden]

that would be fire. Delified said that, but I. With Mariah Scientist, I just think she'd be a much better writer if she focused it on all on writing. Like, when I see her on stage and when I see her out, it looks like a writer. It looks like somebody that ain't with this camera. This. All of this is cool, but I really just want to be with my man and write songs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I ain't mad at that, but I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I never met her, so I could be totally off base in that. But bring back. Bring back covers. If you think you could do them.

[Parks]

If you can do them.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Avery Wilson actually absolutely killed the. He smoked that. What? Absolutely killed the National Anthem.

[Ish]

Insane.

[Joe Budden]

That must be a gig of his every game I've been at. Well, in the second half of the season, he does the Amani. Pardon me? I'm talking about singers that have a residency at Madison Square Garden singing the National Anthem. Like, it must be.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Must.

[Joe Budden]

I think it should.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Can you make that happen?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I have that type of clout.

[Flip]

You could try to play with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not playing with him. I'm dead. I think you'd be great doing that.

[Ish]

Now.

[Joe Budden]

They dis me.

[Ish]

No, I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no.

[Flip]

It's not that. It's not.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think I could. No, no. I really think you be doing that.

[Ish]

It's not as hard as you think. I know somebody got somebody a gig.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not New York. Philly for sure.

[Flip]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Question for you.

[Ish]

Yo, my. You a hater, bro.

[Parks]

Yo, dog.

[Ish]

If I have reach that you don't got that don't make it a joke.

[Joe Budden]

It's not that hard. But here's my thing.

[Flip]

Because the. That got reach more than you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Flip]

You try to be their best friends.

[Joe Budden]

But here's my thing. If I. If I go through my channels that I don't know I have. I'm just taking your word for point. You do. He gotta kill it and they pay.

[Flip]

You gonna buy, man.

[Joe Budden]

I can get you the Sixers any wrong note. Oh, that's where you should go for practice.

[Ish]

Oh, and they can play.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He don't need no practice.

[Joe Budden]

I think the best people. I think the best people in the world need practice.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's not just.

[Joe Budden]

I think the best people in the world need practice. And I was dissing Philly, but now he's shooting at me. All of the best need practice. Oh, I watched the mic, too.

[Parks]

Oh, you did

[Flip]

the what?

[Joe Budden]

The Michael Jackson on Netflix that I said I wasn't gonna watch.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We stopped watching Patreon. Yeah, we were actually ending the show.

[Joe Budden]

We already said it on Patreon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We had seen it.

[Joe Budden]

Have you seen it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've seen the first one.

[Parks]

I've seen it. I've seen it finished. And we have our resident Michael Jackson.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

And the man is good. Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, wipe that mic down.

[Joe Budden]

Too dumb man is good. That mic is off. Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't care about if it's on or off. I'm saying wipe it down. Ice was there, and he was out the ring. He's got the flu or whatever.

[Joe Budden]

That man's kid from the rain. I'm sorry. I never thought about it. I never even thought. Them kids don't even look like his motherfucking kids.

[Parks]

Let's take it to Patreon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, we'll talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

We will take this to Patreon. Let me find some outro music. Yeah, for us.

[Ish]

Temptations.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all gonna talk changes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, baddies insecure. Zach want to travel those why the women you want to teach you things.

[Joe Budden]

We got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, this is my.

[Parks]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You hear this voice show, yo.

[Parks]

No, not yet.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is when he was at rock bottom, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Freddie, chill. Freddie. I know you said somebody sent you a clip. We with you, dog, but this is different. Velvet, I'm talking, too. There's room for everyone.

[Flip]

No, I can say falsehood.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y' all keep us in your prayers. Hopefully you enjoyed this broadcast as much as we have enjoyed delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Till the next time we bid you a do farewell. Adio. Cerebra di a la vista arvois so long goodbye Or a simple head knob will suffice it go. Long ago I was just a lonely person with a lonely heart. God damn. And it still sound like this all these years later. That you been and listen sometimes takes

[Flip]

a long time but wait for love.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all hold it down out there. Have a safe week. We'll be back. Same time, same place. This week, and y' all hold it down until then.

[Flip]

Hey,

[Joe Budden]

what are y' all doing for the week? Anything interesting? Anything interesting? Anything interesting? Anything? No, no. Just chilling. Living love life, laughter. Yes, sir. Got it, Got it, got it. Before we get out of here, don't let me forget to say go, Nicks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tonight I'm gonna need some help.

[Joe Budden]

And that's all I got. Man, these refs, huh? Yeah, these refs. No, the past refs, not tonight's refs. That's all I got. Flip, you good. As bad as when you gave up too easily. That's it, man. We done, we done, we done, we done. All right, before I cut this part off, any last words?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at Mark.

[Joe Budden]

No. Think we got him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm in the Luther man. And Lisa Fisher singing. Back up on this. She sounds amazing, too. Mr. Lisa Fisher. Houston, too.

[Joe Budden]

You've never heard of joe bun.

[Flip]

From the Web and Nitty era?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the network.