Episode 937 | "Put The Kids To Sleep"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast — Episode 937 | "Put The Kids To Sleep" (June 13, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode captures Joe Budden and his crew in high spirits, energized by New York Knicks playoff fever, bantering on everything from body shaming and cooking mishaps to relationship etiquette, celebrity culture, and viral stories. Much of the first half is an extended Knicks celebration and debate, with side trips into intimate topics like airport fame, flying private, celebrity gifting, and pyramid schemes. Later, the discussions branch into current events, new music releases, scam culture, and legal/lifestyle headlines, with the podcast’s trademark blend of bluntness, vulnerability, and humor.

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Main Participants

• Joe Budden (host)
• Big Ish
• Dr. Mark Lamont Hill
• Brian (Parks)
• Big Demona (Mona)
• Plus: Recurring cast and remote guests

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

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1. Life Updates, Sickness & Cooking Fails

[00:29–08:12]

• Big Ish recounts getting sick from undercooked food at a cookout, which leads to laughter about food safety and cooking skills.
• The group teases his inability to cook fried chicken, despite cultural expectations.
  • "Don't say that no more. You Black from Virginia!" – Joe Budden, [05:14]
• Hilarity around breakfast superiority—Big Ish claims impeccable breakfast skills but nothing beyond that. Joe jokes about Door Dash body shapes and ordering out.

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2. Body Image, Gym Routines & "Support"

[07:24–16:44]

• Joe and Mark needle Ish for falling off his gym game.
• Friendly shaming and comparisons of bodies fuel more jokes—especially about old club stories, aging, and “constant Door Dash.”
• Memorable Quote:
  • "Your eggs don't bleed." – Joe Budden, [06:19]

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3. Men Cooking For Women – "The Cheat Code"

[08:01–09:57]

• Universal agreement: men who cook impress women (“cheat code”).
• Mona notes many women swoon over men making dinner or breakfast.

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4. Robe Etiquette & Relationship Gifting Boundaries

[09:49–13:16]

• Lively debate over whether one should keep gifts (like a robe) from past romantic partners.
  • "A robe say I wanna see you with this on." – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill, [11:41]
  • "Listen, I got man shit that I was supposed to dispose of that I just didn't get around to doing it." – Joe Budden, [12:22]
• The symbolic meaning of gifts ("a robe is for when two people wanna fuck each other") and the social minefield of having such items while in a new relationship.

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5. Vacation, Robes, & Body Insecurity

[14:03–16:57]

• The crew jokes about wearing women’s robes on vacation and being "caught" by room service in towels or ill-fitting robes, with playful accusations about body confidence.
• "You too insecure about your torso." – Joe Budden to Ish, [15:26]

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6. City-wide Knicks Euphoria—Historic Comeback

[24:09–47:07]

• Extended, passionate reflection on the Knicks’ record-breaking playoff comeback.
  • The citywide buzz, camaraderie, and “free bacon, egg and cheeses”—the healing social effect of sports.
  • Comparing this sports moment to other New York City sporting milestones.
  • Dissection of the actual game (brutal first half, signature turning points, coaching mismatches, key player performances).
  • "If you're a Knicks fan, you know not to cut the TV off." – Joe Budden, [47:07]
  • "There's a camaraderie in the city. It feels good." – Joe Budden, [32:53]
• Memorable Quote:
  • “Jordan got the flu game, New York got the woo game.” – Joe Budden, [65:06]

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7. X’s and O’s: Coaching, Star Treatment, and Team Dynamics

[47:07–56:18]

• Strategic discussion on coaching mismatches, youth vs. experience, and the psychological battles in the series.
• Critical details:
  • Disbelief at coaching choices (“You gotta overcoach young players,” “You telling them to just be yourself, you’re not coaching against mistakes.”)
  • Key moment: Victor Wembanyana’s technical, missed calls, momentum shift.

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8. Weight Loss Journeys & "Assistance" Hypocrisy

[21:09–23:41]

• Clowning Joe for “shaming” about body image after using injectables for weight loss, while critiquing others for taking shortcuts.
  • “It's not that you're using assistance; it's that you're shaming others who didn’t.” – Big Ish & Demona, [22:47]
• Debate over how valid it is to shade others about their fitness efforts.

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9. Famous Folk & Flying Private: Rick Ross Goes Commercial

[75:34–85:57]

• Viral story: Rick Ross spotted flying commercial, leading to a debate about rapper “authenticity,” financial optics, and fan entitlement.
• Joe, Mark, and Mona share relatable stories about flying private vs. commercial.
  • "Why do you deem that Rick Ross supposed to always fly [private]?" – Mona, [83:03]
  • "When you fly private, it's tough going back to that regular airport." – Joe Budden, [79:16]
• Extended riff on fame in public spaces, boundaries, fan expectations, and the awkwardness of airport encounters.

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10. Fan Interactions: Pictures, Drops & Annoyances

[85:58–90:57]

• The crew details their different approaches to being approached by fans in airports or public, Joe jokes about never keeping stationary, Demona describes emotional moments with fans, and everyone laments people who don’t know how to just take a photo and walk away.

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11. Breakup Etiquette, Birthday Protocols, and "Fire Drill" Relationships

[123:49–152:54]

• An expert masterclass in relationship "rules":
  • What to do if you break up just before your partner's birthday/event.
  • Joe argues: you still show up, no matter how fresh the fight.
  • Mark: But if you cheated or got cheated on? Then what?
• Discussion expands on gender differences, vulnerability, and the emotional “chess match” of reconciliation.
  • "The fire drill breakup is a chess match." – Joe Budden, [150:24]
  • "Sending her to get the other bag is gonna buy me another 40 minutes to see what Drake May is going to do." – Joe Budden, [150:44]
• Joe’s humorous “fire drill breakup” story: his partner leaving but not really wanting to.

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12. Legal Headlines: DJ ASAP and Pyramid Schemes

[176:22–188:34]

• Analysis of DJ ASAP and wife sentenced to 40 years each for a COVID-era pyramid scheme ("Blessings In No Time").
• Insight into how these scams spread, why 40 years is excessive, and racial disparities in white-collar sentencing.
  • "You get less than that for killing people." – Mark Lamont Hill, [179:32]

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13. New Music Drops

[99:44–112:17]

• Hot takes and listening samples:
  • Rick Ross ft. T.I. – "Mahogany Casket"
    • "He is on that fly commercial on the song talking about it's only private jets." – Joe Budden, [103:03]
  • Jesse Reyes’ new album
  • Money Long feature
  • New song from Hombre and a new album from BLXST
  • Olivia Rodrigo’s album mentioned

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14. Other Notable Conversations

• Kanye West sexual assault accusation: Panel weighs evidence, liability, and artistry vs. abuse, with Mark and Ish analyzing responsibility.
  • "You can't stick your hand in someone’s mouth and look for their tongue as they're trying to hide it on a job." – Joe Budden, [175:53]
• Oschino vs. Jay-Z: Mark stands up for Philly loyalty but admits that old beefs can start to look like obsession.
  • Extended discussion on whether continuing diss tracks is dignified or just limiting the speaker's evolution [159:02–164:16].

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Timestamped Memorable Moments

• Cooking Debate:

  • [05:14] "You're Black from Virginia. Don't say you can't fry chicken!" - Joe Budden

• Relationship Gifting:

  • [11:41] "A robe say I wanna see you in this..." – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill

• Body Image Clowning:

  • [15:26] "You too insecure about your torso." – Joe Budden

• City Energy:

  • [32:53] "There's a camaraderie in the city. It feels good." – Joe Budden

• Knicks Euphoria:

  • [65:06] “Jordan got the flu game, New York got the woo game!” – Joe Budden

• Flying Private:

  • [79:16] "It's tough going back to that regular airport." – Joe Budden

• Fan Encounters:

  • [90:09] "Please get away from me." – Joe Budden

• Fire Drill Breakup:

  • [150:44] "Sending her to get the other bag is gonna buy me another 40 minutes to see what Drake May is going to do." – Joe Budden

• On the Pyramid Scheme Sentence:

  • [179:32] "You get less than that for killing people." – Dr. Mark Lamont Hill

• On Oschino’s Jay-Z Diss:

  • [162:14] "No rapper looks cool when it starts to look like an obsession." – Joe Budden

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Podcast Tone & Energy

• Language & Tone: Candid, irreverent, and rapid-fire. The crew leans into inside jokes and playful jabs, but also pauses for genuine vulnerability and keen social analysis.
• Dynamic: Always conversational, rarely linear—Joe orchestrates seamless pivots between sports analysis, relationship therapy, celebrity gossip, music takes, and real-life woes.

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Conclusion (197:25, Episode Wind-down)

The episode closes on a high, as the team looks ahead to the next Knicks game, ribs each other about bets and nervousness, and shouts out loved ones, new music, and weekend plans—keeping the vibe celebratory and genuinely communal.

• "Have an amazing weekend, kiss your loved ones, remember Knicks in 5!" – Joe Budden, [197:56]

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Download/Listen For:

• Anecdotal relationship philosophy and breakup etiquette that’s both real and hilariously right
• Unfiltered takes on fame, masculinity, body image, and what’s really going on behind viral entertainment headlines
• Knicks playoff celebration and sports barbershop talk at its rowdiest and most heartfelt
• Life lessons about gifts that (probably) should not linger after a breakup, and why you may need to learn how to fry chicken
• Cautionary tales about pyramid schemes, and the real cost of “get rich quick”

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(For detailed context, see timestamps throughout this summary.)

Transcript

[Joe Button]

The thoughts, views, and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show.

[Brian]

You, you, what's poppin?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How's everybody feeling?

[Joe Button]

Great.

[Brian]

Are you back?

[Big Ish]

I'm back, bro.

[Joe Button]

Good. Big Freeze, man. Welcome back. Freeze. Make some noise for Freeze being back, yo. No, y' all too out there. Make some noise. Yes. They talking about you bring umbrella.

[Big Ish]

Rihanna. Rihanna.

[Joe Button]

Exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We've been nervous.

[Big Ish]

That was me just trying to figure out what the. I ain't know. I'm like, I know how I felt, fam. I don't know how that happened. Maybe it was that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Brian]

It wasn't.

[Joe Button]

It wasn't. It wasn't. All right, because it got worse. But you got to the. The rain before you got to. Maybe it was. I was outside partying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe it was the 12 doing what

[Joe Button]

I wanted to do on my baby free weekend trap, karaoke, Henny palooza, everywhere. Everywhere. He was everywhere. No, I was outside La Marina.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was outside.

[Big Ish]

But reason why I ain't think that is because symptoms don't show up that fast.

[Joe Button]

That fast? You got the right motherfucker spend on what you get. Yeah, sitting next to the. Sitting next to the wrong person on the plane.

[Big Ish]

I got sick Monday night. That's kind of quick fraud to be that bad.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, did you figure out what it was?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, man. Yeah, man, I had.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you get the antibiotics?

[Joe Button]

Did you get the cream? They gave you the cream? Little pus.

[Big Ish]

Little pus.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It'll go away.

[Big Ish]

Nah, nah, nah. I ate some undercooked food, some undercooked chicken at a cookout.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How'd you figure that out, like, three days later?

[Big Ish]

Well, I had to go because then

[Joe Button]

I got the runs real bad.

[Brian]

Oh, all right.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you know what's funny about.

[Big Ish]

Well, you asked.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was a fair question.

[Joe Button]

You gotta be careful what you ask on the show.

[Brian]

That's what you know. Yeah.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So I'm always shocked that people can't like undercooked chicken. Like, how do you miss that?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's tough unless you're drunk. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

And there was obscures.

[Big Ish]

It wasn't like an actual piece.

[Joe Button]

It was just the motherfucker. Was it a black person that made the chicken?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, yo, that's the thing. It was a black dude who? He like. He's from the South. He like. He was. I mean, he was getting busy on the grill. I don't know if he just rushed those or something, but if somebody else was just like, yo, this shit tastes a little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes the outside be cooked, but the

[Joe Button]

inside, fucking uncooked chicken, man. It don't matter.

[Big Ish]

You can tell.

[Joe Button]

Nah, for real. Look at freeze. He ate some uncooked chicken, said under stupid while he tipsy. Chicken sushi, fresh off the hookah. Hungry after the club. I know. I know. When it was too. After Henny Palooza, you hit the street hungry. Seen my man out there?

[Brian]

The halal man?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, you know.

[Joe Button]

You seen him out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The street Pete?

[Big Ish]

No, Joe's just being Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, sorry. Oh, I still fall for that.

[Joe Button]

They do too.

[Big Ish]

That's the bad part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I be thinking it's true. Cause he's like, why would you say that if it wasn't.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no. I'm not, ma.

[Joe Button]

They fall for that. Yeah.

[Big Ish]

Joe say some wild left hand. That makes no sense to anybody with a brain, and it becomes fact.

[Joe Button]

But you can see it. Yeah. Because you are a great artist as long. As long as you can see it. But a great painter can make you

[Big Ish]

see whatever they want you to see.

[Brian]

Getting halal after the club is a.

[Joe Button]

Is a very New York. Yeah, It's a very common thing to do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Except he had just said I was at a barbecue. That's the problem.

[Joe Button]

Think they believe more freeze them. Thank you. Thank you.

[Big Ish]

Now, the funny part is, who lie

[Joe Button]

more be a Joe?

[Big Ish]

Me.

[Joe Button]

Me. That's a. No debate. That's offending. Yeah. Believe the liar more. It'd be good lies, though.

[Brian]

Entertaining.

[Big Ish]

There we go. Entertaining.

[Joe Button]

Loss. Anyway. Anyway, I'm glad to be back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Brian]

I'm glad you're healthy.

[Joe Button]

Did you learn how to make chicken? I didn't cook it. All right.

[Big Ish]

You know how to make chicken?

[Joe Button]

Oh, shit.

[Big Demona]

I don't know.

[Big Ish]

I don't cook.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How long before it gets to who makes veggies?

[Joe Button]

You know how to make chicken?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

20 seconds.

[Big Ish]

I know. I've seen it done. I don't know how to do it.

[Brian]

Huh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait.

[Joe Button]

You know, I've seen it done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've seen it done.

[Big Ish]

Chicken breast on a foreman. But I don't know how to cook chicken like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. You fried chicken or like grilled chicken?

[Big Ish]

Fried chicken. I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Mm.

[Big Demona]

Mm.

[Big Ish]

You get busy on the grill?

[Brian]

No, he's seen it done.

[Joe Button]

A grilled chick. I'm just asking. We used to have the deep fried Chicken?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I don't know how to do it.

[Big Ish]

I know. You clean the chicken. You put the flour on it, shake it up, put it in the pot.

[Joe Button]

I'm asking why in the pot?

[Big Ish]

How do you clean.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How do you clean the chicken?

[Big Ish]

Lemon juice or water?

[Brian]

Okay.

[Big Ish]

I just wanted to see what you was getting. I mean, vinegar, right? And lemon juice.

[Joe Button]

How y' all make chicken in your house?

[Big Ish]

My girl make it. I don't make it.

[Joe Button]

She makes fried chicken.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I don't make that shit.

[Joe Button]

Yes, you gotta make. Come on, man.

[Big Ish]

I don't cook.

[Joe Button]

You gotta at least know how to

[Big Ish]

make fried chicken again. I know what. I've seen it done enough throughout my life.

[Joe Button]

I never cooked. No, don't say that no more. You black from Virginia. Virginia. Don't say that again. Don't say I seen it done. You black from Virginia. You can't even say, I seen it done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm black.

[Big Ish]

You can't either.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think she handles that? You don't make fried chicken either.

[Big Ish]

I don't make shit.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but do you know how to make fried chicken?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Big Ish]

Oh, my God, again, I know what to do because I've seen it done my entire life, but I've never fried. No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

Audience. Some things you would never make the board, right? Like, how would we know that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I would have never guessed that. Especially ice, bro.

[Big Ish]

I've said a million times. I can't cook.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but I don't feel like chicken. Is that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't even count cooking.

[Joe Button]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Big Ish]

We ranked like, just basic cooking skills. I'm last, everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I might.

[Big Ish]

I'm behind you.

[Joe Button]

Pause.

[Big Ish]

I'm last.

[Joe Button]

I'm last.

[Big Ish]

My breakfast game is impeccable. But that's it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I'm last.

[Brian]

It's not that far off. Yeah, same concepts. Eggs and chicken, but experience.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Basic.

[Brian]

Basic concept.

[Joe Button]

You know what I mean? Oil.

[Big Ish]

Your eggs don't bleed.

[Joe Button]

They don't get undercooked.

[Big Ish]

You can't undercook your egg.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, you can.

[Joe Button]

You see it running.

[Big Demona]

Keep.

[Joe Button]

Keep scrambling my. Like.

[Brian]

Oh, you just do scrambled eggs.

[Joe Button]

I know how to do it. You just say. I say, oh, no, no.

[Big Ish]

I know how to do over easies and all that.

[Joe Button]

Bart's doing that restaurateer shade, medium over easy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you could do all the eggs. You do the bacon, the pancakes, all that.

[Big Ish]

No, my French toast game is crazy. My pancake game is crazy. Brioche, preferably.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And I put chicken brioche. French toast. But you can't fry Chicken.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Damn.

[Joe Button]

He that boy.

[Big Ish]

Yo, my breakfast ain't right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She don't do none of that.

[Big Ish]

Pancakes got vanilla, nutmeg, all that shit. All that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you lived alone. What you do? You just order out every day.

[Joe Button]

Me, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but you can make breakfast.

[Joe Button]

Hey, his body look like just a constant door dash. He ain't in there making nothing himself.

[Big Ish]

Yo, this you worse than the chick

[Joe Button]

that go get the BBL and then start on everybody. You are a piece of. It's true, Young. Yo, it's true.

[Big Ish]

Yo, you scare him. That's what you.

[Joe Button]

24 hours in a day.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You've had a lot of body jokes the last couple weeks.

[Joe Button]

Honestly. Honestly, like he a rock or something. This thing is crazy. Yo, that's the sad part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's nuts.

[Joe Button]

That's the sad part. Oh, my God.

[Big Ish]

I can't. I don't with that. I tell any girl I date up front.

[Joe Button]

Yo, listen, Let me tell you.

[Big Ish]

Ain't gonna be no cooking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's cooking. Get it done.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you're explaining that.

[Big Ish]

Yo, men that could cook, get it. That's a cheat code. So you have to know other ways

[Joe Button]

to get it done to living right.

[Big Ish]

No, we was talking about something else.

[Joe Button]

Y' all talking about bagging joints.

[Big Ish]

Men that cook is highly impressive to women. Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

They swear it's only me that do it. Cooking for the joints.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which explains why, you see, I would. Thought you would do dinner, not breakfast. Breakfast keeps them there longer. No, you don't. I figured you would do the dinner get, you know, I mean, you won't get. He's trying to get him out in the morning.

[Brian]

I mean, that's valid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's an English muffin.

[Big Ish]

That's your picture. Put that bagel in the microwave, mama.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm a cow.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you stupid. Getting him out. He's at her house.

[Brian]

I said a bagel in the microwave, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He making brio.

[Joe Button]

The niggas that make the brio French dope, they. They at her house with her robe on, making brio.

[Big Demona]

Her robe.

[Joe Button]

And they juggling her. Yeah, you know, I had her robe on 1,000%. 1,000%?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, since you had her robe on making that brioche French toast.

[Big Ish]

Yo, who wears a robe? You wear a robe.

[Joe Button]

I've worn a robe in my life.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, but I mean, I have a robe.

[Joe Button]

I never wore mult. I got like 20 of them.

[Big Ish]

You wear two of them.

[Joe Button]

I got the robe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't wear mine either. But if I did, it would be at a joint house. What happened yo, please explain why. What did he say to his robe guys?

[Joe Button]

They don't fit anymore. Yeah, right. Shit's got stains. Exactly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They stuck together.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, it's not. It's not that. I'll tell y', all at risk of getting in trouble again, but two of them was a gift from just people that shouldn't give me gifts.

[Brian]

Okay, now you're silent.

[Joe Button]

That's all I'm saying. Okay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you cop to that or was it.

[Joe Button]

I got two questions when they knew my. Y' all not understanding.

[Brian]

I understand what you're saying.

[Joe Button]

Y' all don't understand.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get what you're saying.

[Joe Button]

What I'm saying is my girl, whatever was in my phone, she got that transferred.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay?

[Joe Button]

So at some point years ago, like, she knows, right, who got what, who sent what, what I got with these, like, you know, you shouldn't have a

[Brian]

robe that someone else gave you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shit, is that. Is that. Is that on the band?

[Big Ish]

Really?

[Joe Button]

I hate niggas like him.

[Big Ish]

Yeah. What if it's a really nice robe?

[Joe Button]

Because that makes sense if you know your girl know everything in your phone. Of course you ain't supposed to have it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but that's because that's a. I'm saying, like, is it just a banned substance? Like, yo, robe here now, like, you're not supposed to have a robe that somebody gave you. Wait, wait, wait.

[Big Ish]

Like, before your girl.

[Joe Button]

Oh, I.

[Brian]

Maybe I'm reading the implications. Rove.

[Big Ish]

No, no, you said you shouldn't rogue.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a. I thought you should say you shouldn't keep a rogue there.

[Joe Button]

Is there a woman in your life, your childhood friend that you brought out that night when you was trying to get slick. That rim caught on.

[Brian]

Did she got me a robe today?

[Joe Button]

No, don't interrupt me. That rim caught on when you were trying to do that little sneaky buffalo white boy shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Sneaky.

[Joe Button]

I gotta go. Oh, wait, you have a wrench car with me. Trying to move. But anyway. Could that childhood friend get you a rol?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, okay.

[Brian]

That's all I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm with you, but I'm saying, what else is on that list then? Is it Ro. You can't get draws, then.

[Big Demona]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So is there anything else? One of them can't get you anything, like intimate. Ish is a robe. Intimate kinda draws I can see. And robe is just a robe.

[Joe Button]

Nah. Robe say you trying to fuck.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Big Ish]

I wanna see you with this on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Robe say I wanna see what's off. A robe is for when two people wanna Fuck each other. Some gifts just give off a different vibe.

[Brian]

So you agree with me?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, no, I agree with you. Okay. I said I started this with I gotta throw two rolls away.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you still got them?

[Big Ish]

I wanted to ask it. We didn't know the time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sorry. You keep saying that. I tried to leave it alone. Why? I mean, it ain't that hard to throw it away. Let's put a bit going. We done threw all kinds of shit

[Joe Button]

away in this room.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure you throw some away. Since you had that conversation,

[Big Ish]

now we've

[Joe Button]

officially got to the he's in trouble part, right?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

First of all, I still gotta go ahead. You two niggas is funny today. But to answer you, I got man shit that I was supposed to dispose of that I just didn't get around to doing it. Oh, he just digging dirt. I'm not purposely holding on to. I don't want it. I don't want it. Right, I agree with her. Get the shit outta here. It's bad juju.

[Big Ish]

Can I get a little piece of advice?

[Joe Button]

Cause like, and this is from ages ago. To be clear.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is not a.

[Big Ish]

That's ages.

[Joe Button]

Five years. Yeah, that's ages robe hit. Five years is ages.

[Big Ish]

That robe will cause an argument. Your girl about to move in?

[Joe Button]

Well, two of the years. Two of the years I had it. I didn't know she knew where it came from, so I was gonna give it to my son. How the fuck did she find out where they came from?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They're not hearing it.

[Joe Button]

They not hearing it.

[Big Ish]

They don't care.

[Joe Button]

They're not hearing it. It.

[Big Ish]

That's crazy.

[Brian]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

That is great. Anyway, it ain't worth it, man. Get rid of that. I don't want that.

[Big Ish]

That part I do not want at all. It's nice, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How nice?

[Brian]

This little Versace like cashmere tape.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nice.

[Joe Button]

It's a botanic. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't need that robe. What you should do, bring it here.

[Big Ish]

Let a nigga see it.

[Joe Button]

You know what I mean? Let's see if we.

[Big Ish]

You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I want you that peace in your relationship. Bring it here.

[Joe Button]

I have peace in my relationship and I am getting rid of that robe. I don't know how we got out on this. You, you, you. How.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't know.

[Joe Button]

I said it.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

I just be chatting.

[Brian]

Yeah, you do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We talking about Ish wearing girls robes while he's making.

[Joe Button]

I hate when that reverse works. We had a good. We bet our life saving that this war girl roll yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn.

[Brian]

Here come you stitching on yourself, right?

[Joe Button]

Think this nigga's crazy. Yo, you definitely wore girls ro from that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You did.

[Joe Button]

You did.

[Big Ish]

I'm six two.

[Joe Button]

That means nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Before.

[Joe Button]

Yes. How? In the hotel.

[Brian]

Over the shoulders.

[Joe Button]

You know, we put it on and the arms be up here and it be a little young man.

[Big Ish]

Yo, I wouldn't be surprised that you walk around Winnie the pool. I'm not wearing no girls robe.

[Joe Button]

My.

[Big Ish]

I'm cool. You wore one too?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No. Oh, but I would. You too, you know Ice did.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Dawg. If you've been on vacation, if you've been on vacation at any resort, the robe service. If you tried to grab the robe, you grabbed the one with the short arms first. Yeah, you did.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You never did that neither.

[Big Ish]

Fuck no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You niggas crazy. What are you talking about?

[Big Ish]

If there's two robes there, why would I purposely grab the one with the shorts?

[Joe Button]

You can't tell. You just grab it when you need a rope. You covering up in a hurry?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Yo, we ordered our breakfast. It's at the door. We just trying to cover up. We not trying to be fitted.

[Big Ish]

Towel on. I'm going to the door.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You going to the door with a towel?

[Joe Button]

Fucking right.

[Big Ish]

On vacation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Big Ish]

Room service.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. You better put a robe on.

[Big Ish]

No, I don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nigga, exactly. That's a charge waiting to happen.

[Joe Button]

And he lying. Cause I'm not. You too insecure about your torso.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Back to body shit. Yo.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you can't help it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo.

[Big Ish]

Yo, what you gonna crack on? What you gonna crack on when I come in here? Lean?

[Joe Button]

No, my mom. Listen, I told my mom, I'm asking

[Big Ish]

you, you working out, what you gonna crack on here?

[Joe Button]

He stopped going. Ice stopped going.

[Big Ish]

Nah, check this out though. Ice quit. Let me tell you, I got. I found a better diet.

[Joe Button]

Soon as this girl stopped going, he stopped going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Getting sick.

[Joe Button]

Getting sick, bro, I ain't know.

[Big Ish]

I got on the scale this morning. I said, oh, shit, we almost back just from being sick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't the same though.

[Joe Button]

It's not healthy.

[Big Ish]

I'm just saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying that shit going to come right back tomorrow.

[Big Ish]

Nah, that's water.

[Joe Button]

I ain't been eating. And nobody is supporting your body journey like me. I support that shit. That's why you shame niggas more.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mocking his torso.

[Joe Button]

I didn't mock. I said he's insecure about his torso.

[Big Ish]

Dog, this nigga's.

[Joe Button]

Yo, go ahead.

[Big Ish]

Yo, move forward.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, get.

[Big Ish]

Get some music, bro. Listen, I got extra dog telling You, Joe, this is.

[Joe Button]

Watch this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

These chichos are new.

[Big Ish]

This. You've known me a long time. My body was all right, as you well know.

[Joe Button]

It used to be all right.

[Big Ish]

All right, we've got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My body was all right, as you well know.

[Big Ish]

Yo, only y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what?

[Joe Button]

My body got some John Mayer.

[Brian]

That serato.

[Joe Button]

You don't know that. You don't know that. Ish was slimmer in stature in Jersey Girls.

[Big Ish]

I wouldn't check. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

All right? We were in the strip club. I wasn't looking at this guy. Nah, true, true, true, true. Nah, that's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So was there a time when his body looked better than you?

[Joe Button]

When you opened the door for the police?

[Big Ish]

You don't know what Joe body looked like? No, cuz, it was the police. It wasn't Joe.

[Joe Button]

I wasn't looking for.

[Big Ish]

Y' all live together. What?

[Joe Button]

Why?

[Big Ish]

What does his body got to do with that?

[Joe Button]

Cause you walked into my bedroom while I was naked in bed. There. There he is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They carried me out when I was

[Joe Button]

trying to put on a T shirt. Yo, Freeze. Man, I could have killed. Freeze.

[Big Ish]

That's the last time you getting that joke off.

[Joe Button]

I didn't bring it up.

[Big Ish]

I bought it.

[Joe Button]

See, what. I'm just saying, that's the last song, but tell the. That brought it up.

[Big Ish]

You can't play into it no more, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

All right.

[Big Ish]

That's the last time. I don't know.

[Joe Button]

It's got me in trouble. I just walked up to the door and said, hey, Joe, this got me in trouble now.

[Big Ish]

Yo, Officer Crumpy out here.

[Joe Button]

Don't laugh.

[Big Ish]

Don't laugh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He calls him Mike. Keep your face straight.

[Joe Button]

There you go. Stay over here.

[Big Ish]

You know him by first name?

[Big Demona]

I know.

[Big Ish]

Hey, Bill.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, Ted.

[Joe Button]

I can't laugh. I did the time. Oh, man, I went right there. Boy, that's the old days when they let you bail out with a check. Oh, y' all take this broken joke

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

on the weekend.

[Joe Button]

What? Hey, mama. Hey, bring a. Bring that Chase checkbook. Oh, up here. That is.

[Big Ish]

Hello.

[Joe Button]

4:53:20. Hold up. Whatever the address was. Goddamn. It's hilarious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, I. You good. I see him leaving.

[Joe Button]

All right. What? You had to ask what, Mark? What? What you. What you was asking. Oh, no. Yes. It used to be slimmer Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay. Was his body better than yours? I'm sure you have some music, cuz. That was the implication.

[Joe Button]

That's how.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you looked incredulous. That's why I was asking.

[Big Ish]

So they both skinny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I Can't imagine both y' all skinny. I guess that's what it is. I'm not clown.

[Big Ish]

I just couldn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I just don't.

[Brian]

They were both skinnier when they started this pod.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

What you talking about? I weigh like 220 when I started.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What happened? Is it potting?

[Brian]

It's the snacks.

[Big Ish]

It's the snack, yo. At the other. At Mark's basement.

[Joe Button]

Eat a lot. Yo don't eat a lot. I'm telling you. He eat a lot of food, yo. Like for retreats, snack.

[Big Ish]

I'm a snack dude. I'm a sweet sugar. I don't eat food like that. But.

[Joe Button]

He's a but, yo.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, even at that party.

[Joe Button]

That's even worse. Like a fat pescatarian. What are you, a vegetarian? You don't eat what? What's the word?

[Big Ish]

Nothing. I don't. You don't eat something. Red meat.

[Joe Button]

What's the word for that? Muslim?

[Big Demona]

Yes, Muslim.

[Joe Button]

Fat without red meat is a fat chill. You got lied. Yeah, you. Yeah, you shady as hell.

[Big Ish]

Red meat is protein.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's the sugar that be getting you

[Big Ish]

that don't make you fat.

[Joe Button]

How much sugar are you having, Joe?

[Big Ish]

If we come in here and eat bags and bags of potato chips in this and we eat food all day, you going to sit and. We sitting around being dormant. You going to gain weight.

[Joe Button]

But we have a choice in our food options.

[Big Ish]

Wait, you start including yourself.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause you've been shooting yourself in the gut.

[Big Ish]

Don't act like you wasn't just fat.

[Joe Button]

I know. Actually, I've even slowed down with that.

[Big Ish]

You starving yourself.

[Joe Button]

No, I'm disciplined in my life.

[Big Ish]

No, the chemicals are running through your system, taking away your hunger.

[Joe Button]

I'm disciplined. I'm disciplined.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Solid point.

[Joe Button]

I'm disciplined in my workout routine, okay? I'm not dropping out like you niggas. Right?

[Big Ish]

Like, I'm.

[Joe Button]

It's Joe.

[Big Ish]

I'm in the gym every day.

[Joe Button]

I take poker. And nobody's prouder of you than me. So you don't have to shoot at me. Cause I'm supporting your fucking weight loss journey.

[Big Ish]

Don't speak to discipline. When you speak to discipline, you act as if you are the fucking Moral majority. Like you a monk, nigga. You eat bullshit the same way everybody else eat bullshit.

[Brian]

Bo, are you taking them back?

[Joe Button]

Not a line.

[Big Demona]

Huh?

[Brian]

You taking them back?

[Joe Button]

Not a line.

[Big Ish]

Is rice a lot?

[Joe Button]

Not a line. I'm telling you now.

[Big Ish]

Oh, now that's part of the discipline.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking about things that I love. I've slow. You Know how I feel about rice.

[Big Ish]

That's not the discipline.

[Joe Button]

How not?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Song, everybody.

[Big Ish]

What are you talking about, nigga? Discipline.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We confusing a shot with discipline.

[Joe Button]

All right, well, you something.

[Big Demona]

I'm good.

[Brian]

I'm sure we have some music that has.

[Joe Button]

I got mad music.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, I rather talk about y' all bodies. Y' all could just get naked and we could judge them.

[Joe Button]

Oh, that's my type of party. Hey, hey. I thought they. Stop throwing those

[Big Demona]

back. I won't. We'll keep it platonic, but it could be just me in the back. Ish. Come in naked, go out Joe. Come in naked, and I give a vote, which I want to do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't the worst idea.

[Big Demona]

I think it's cool.

[Joe Button]

Even if y' all want to, you

[Big Demona]

don't want to come in on salt. Rub it out a little bit.

[Joe Button]

What's your voting system like?

[Big Demona]

I'm basic. Because you always talking about who's fatter. Right?

[Big Ish]

I'm fatter.

[Big Demona]

Probably. Oh, well. What the.

[Joe Button]

There's no probably.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Big Ish]

Been shooting himself for four months.

[Joe Button]

I mean, and working out and changing my diet and changing my way of life. I hate changing my habits.

[Big Demona]

I hate that. If he lost weight and did it with that assistance, that. That's like a thing. Because that's the thing now, too. Oh, well.

[Joe Button]

Amongst poor people. No, no, no. That's not what.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no. That's not what happens.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fat, poor people.

[Big Ish]

That's not what happens.

[Joe Button]

You feel my stomach flat,

[Big Ish]

dog.

[Joe Button]

I called you a fat nigga.

[Big Ish]

Cheap Joe. He's selling shit on the street now.

[Joe Button]

Now that'll. That'll get you in a castle, but. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

[Big Ish]

But this is what happens.

[Big Demona]

I got something.

[Big Ish]

It's not that you are using assistance to get to your desired weight. It's that you are shaming other that didn't do that to get to their desired weight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like, are you zip shaming?

[Brian]

He is for sure.

[Big Ish]

Of course. He has been doing it for months.

[Big Demona]

It's like you should be asking, did he zip shake? Because he don't zip shame now. Because he's a zipper. You know what I mean?

[Big Ish]

No. He used to zip shame.

[Big Demona]

He did, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's the funny part.

[Joe Button]

That's not even true.

[Big Demona]

The truth. What?

[Joe Button]

I'm not even true.

[Big Demona]

He shames somebody for not being honest about being on.

[Joe Button]

That's a different thing. That's the truth.

[Big Ish]

Oh, that might be. That's true. That's true. But the girl that go get a BBL can now crack on other girls and Be like, yo, dog, your body up.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you can stop.

[Big Demona]

Finished talking about with no ass and big ass bellies.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Demona]

Bums worthless.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. What they talking about?

[Big Demona]

Nasty ass.

[Joe Button]

What they talking about? Big Mona, Big Demona.

[Big Demona]

Like, you have some discipline to get that fupa off your legs, right? Parks.

[Joe Button]

Yo, where do you come from?

[Big Demona]

Yo, Agreed.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man. From north.

[Brian]

I thought for sure we were starting Wu Tang.

[Big Ish]

Thank God this is Wu Tang, I suppose.

[Joe Button]

Not really sure how we starting yet.

[Brian]

Oh, okay.

[Big Ish]

Yo, do you think when you trying to feel it out, what it was gonna be?

[Big Demona]

Does anybody really, you know what I'm saying?

[Big Ish]

Like, when you in the studio, like, even you, you knew Pump it up was gonna be Pump It Up.

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Big Ish]

You knew focus was gonna be Focus.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Big Ish]

Know what I'm saying?

[Joe Button]

Like, seriously, I knew Pump it up would be Pump It Up. Like, I didn't know the question.

[Big Ish]

I asked whatchamacallit. It got fucked up and it sounded wrong. I was asking Natasha Beddingford.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Phil.

[Big Ish]

Like, yo, dawg, did you know when you did that it was gonna be, like, when you start writing, did you know, like, this is what it was gonna be? I said it kind of fucked up, but that's what I meant. Like, as musicians, do y' all know, like, this is one of those.

[Big Demona]

You said it fucked up. She made you nervous. She's making you nervous.

[Brian]

I would think that the format of this. He probably didn't know that it was gonna be this because it's like a long song with no beat.

[Big Ish]

Mm.

[Big Demona]

I feel like, you know.

[Big Ish]

And it's a real personal song, too.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Big Demona]

So I feel like, you know when it's gonna be a John. But the no is one of those that's saying the test of time. No, Nobody know that. Like, come on.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I wouldn't have known that fucking Pump it up would be played 25 years later. I said I knew it was a joint.

[Big Demona]

Like a. Like a. Like a joint. It's gonna be the one on the album, like a box on the radio. But to know it's going to be one of those classic. I don't think nobody really know that. How would you

[Joe Button]

feel.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Swinging through your town like your neighborhood spider man?

[Big Demona]

That's a good joint, too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's the shit.

[Big Ish]

Pain.

[Joe Button]

I mean, we won, went away. I mean, we won, Went away. Let me see

[Big Demona]

what.

[Joe Button]

I'm just trying to feel it out. We won, went away. Let me see if this is appropriate. Pardon me, audience. I'm just trying to get my groove. Let me see how it feels being One win away. Jaspunk ain't saved the day.

[Brian]

Wu Tang ain't saved the

[Joe Button]

Wu Tang saved the day.

[Brian]

Wu Tang saved the day.

[Joe Button]

Listen, they said Michael Jordan had the flu game and the Knicks have the Woo game. One more time. I can see how you get drunk and just start kissing strange when that come on. Yes, absolutely. I can see it.

[Big Demona]

That's a New Year's party. That's your first epilogue. Sell drugs on, you know.

[Big Ish]

Sure. One of those.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you could. Yeah.

[Big Demona]

I feel bad for people that never had ecstasy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I never had it.

[Joe Button]

Yes. They knew this was a slap. For the people that never stop believing out there. Whole new york city was popping. Big jersey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Big jersey.

[Big Demona]

He took the midnight train.

[Joe Button]

Shout to wherever you might be listening from Everybody in Philadelphia, Connecticut, Boston and all that. Everybody in Cleveland, Atlanta, whole dmv, North South Carolina, Florida, let's go.

[Big Demona]

A singer in a snow. They can share the night it goes on and on and on and on. The shadow.

[Joe Button]

Shout to wherever you might be listening from Always for the ladies. Always for the ladies.

[Big Demona]

New York City, on me tomorrow.

[Joe Button]

Ol. What up out there, Westchester? What up out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, State.

[Joe Button]

What's going on? Everybody in the anthem. Yes, sir. Nothing I love more than a silent mark. Lamar Gill, shut the up today.

[Big Demona]

Mark.

[Joe Button]

Hey, buddy, it's Staten Island. What's going on out there?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Brooklyn, Brooklyn, Brooklyn blew more bridges. One hard top two soft ride through

[Big Ish]

the burrow with two, four fizzes. Phantom opened up like three door fridges.

[Big Demona]

I'm making changes, man.

[Joe Button]

Shout out to Big Cat from Jersey. Shout out to Jalen from Jersey. Shout out to Puerto Rican Alvarado. Hold up for a minute. What did you think was going on?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We still made it to the.

[Joe Button]

Oh, this feels good, man.

[Brian]

It does.

[Joe Button]

It feels good.

[Brian]

Rest in peace, pun.

[Joe Button]

Rest in peace, Big Pun. Energy in the city is on high, high alert out here, man. Listen. We do not condone violence. Yo, we in good spirit.

[Brian]

But yell a little bit. But yell a little bit. Go out there and yell.

[Big Ish]

No, you can yell. You can scream. You can do all that?

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Don't break no but.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yo, don't beat nobody up. Don't go to the. Don't go to jail over this. Don't get arrested. Don't stomp out with spurs jerseys. We ain't on it like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is burg gang money. Yes, sir. This is burg gang money. This is burg gang money.

[Joe Button]

Listen, man, our mayor is Muslim, Our bagels are Jewish, the Pope's on our side. Knicks and five. God damn It.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There you go.

[Joe Button]

Wait a minute.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't wait for this to be over.

[Joe Button]

I can't believe you saying that. And you live here, Yo.

[Brian]

Yeah, you should enjoy this.

[Joe Button]

People are saying good morning to each other. How you doing? Yo, I went to pick my son up from school. Mad parents had off. That was funny. That was funny. But mad at the parents. Had on. Don't. Now you touching each. Now you tapping them. You laughing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You laughing. Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I don't want nothing to do with this. Listen. Mad at the parents up there. Had on Nick's gear. Nick's shirt.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I've been seeing it.

[Joe Button]

Nick's hats. There's a camaraderie in the city. It feels good. It does feel good, man. I don't see how you can hate on this, Mark. I don't, but haters do. Yo, don't be on the rough side of history with this one. Yo, man, free chopped cheese is for everybody, man. Yo, free bacon, egg and cheeses for everybody, man. The New York way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Make it seem easy.

[Joe Button]

So tell a friend and tell a friend that it's them again. Last look, last looks, last now get in your bag.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm letting this verse rock.

[Joe Button]

After this verse, we get into it. You look beautiful, though. But my. Oh, my God, it feels good. It feels so good, man. Loving somebody when somebody loves you back. It does. Let me get these drops out the way real quick. Boy, it feels good watching your team. Watching your team play a meaningful game in June. Meaningful more than meaningful. I'm gonna intro. Intro my really amazing squad that I have here.

[Big Demona]

New ice fish.

[Big Ish]

Who was that? Who is that?

[Joe Button]

It's Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Lamar Hill.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man. Listen, man, what a show we got lined up for you guys today. What episode is this?

[Brian]

937.

[Joe Button]

Welcome to episode 937 of the JOE Button Podcast, brought to you by Fueled by Powered By Prize Picks. Prize picks. Gang, I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, extremely happy to be here. Host Joe Button here with the best squad on Earth to my right. Y' all know the vibes, man, don't call her white girl. Big Demona in the building. Mona, how you doing?

[Big Demona]

I'm doing amazing.

[Joe Button]

Good. Love that. Next to her, we have Philadelphia's finest. Our good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in the building with us. Mark, how you doing?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm great. Great, great.

[Joe Button]

Ran out of spurs shirts, huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I decided, you know, give y' all breaks and stay with y' all one.

[Joe Button]

Give us a break.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I had some special spirits giving us a break. I had some special spurs Shirts didn't. When they coughed up 29 points, you

[Joe Button]

could have still wore them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't hit the sticks.

[Big Ish]

Still warm.

[Brian]

You should have worn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. We'll see. Wait till Monday.

[Brian]

Ain't gonna be no more.

[Joe Button]

Mark, don't be on the wrong side of history with this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm happy to be on the wrong side of history.

[Joe Button]

We've beaten this team five out of our last seven meetings.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, you know, I'm not gonna.

[Joe Button]

I'm just telling you facts. Ish. We've beaten them now five out of our last seven meetings. This team is not about to win three in a row, okay?

[Brian]

It's over.

[Joe Button]

It's over, dog.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We'll see.

[Joe Button]

Get your parade outfit ready, Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We can go.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We can go.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you can go. Of course you can go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Say less.

[Joe Button]

Listen, next to Mark. Come on, man. Mr. He will get his rent one day. Our good brother Big Ish is in the building. Ish. How you doing, sir? I'm good, yo.

[Big Ish]

What up?

[Joe Button]

Good, good. Absolutely love that. Elmyra's finest Big Parks is in the building. White Pole was in the building. In love. Corey is still here. Erickson, Tanner, Savona, here by remote. Last but certainly not least, least, each and every one of you very important people are out there. Don't forget to sign up to the Patreon. If you have yet to do so, shout out to all the subj subgroups, all the communities out there. What's up, man? What we doing? Listen, one question for you guys.

[Brian]

What's the question?

[Joe Button]

Where were you during.

[Brian]

I'll tell you.

[Joe Button]

The greatest and largest comeback ever in NBA playoff history, let alone finals.

[Brian]

Wednesday is my studio night. So playoffs are on. We're not doing no music, but we're gonna watch the game. Had a nice little squad and all that. We're watching it in the. The lounge side, which is Podcast two. When you all first joined over on that side, we went out for a little fresh air. The game started turning. I had the TV on in the other room, too. So this is the juju team tv. We're sticking with this tv. Everybody gotta come over here.

[Joe Button]

Everybody gotta come over here. Yeah.

[Big Ish]

That's how works.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry. This is. This is where the juju's at. I don't care what you're talking about. This is where we're at now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Smart man.

[Brian]

Yeah, and it worked.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My juju is all.

[Big Ish]

So I. I planned on going out and then somebody, you know, poured a little rain. Same rain that got ice sick. Poured that on my parade. No it was my girls. Girls son's graduation.

[Brian]

Girls, girls, sons. Okay.

[Joe Button]

Your girl's girlfriend's son's graduation.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, so I had to go to that.

[Joe Button]

Wait, what?

[Big Demona]

It had to be her bestie. That must be her best.

[Joe Button]

Why you got to go to that?

[Big Demona]

Oh, yeah, you got to put your foot down, King.

[Big Ish]

No, she. She do a lot. She the friend does a lot like, for my daughter.

[Big Demona]

She the God mom.

[Big Ish]

So I a had no choice.

[Joe Button]

But. But why your girl can do.

[Brian]

Just go hold us down, baby.

[Big Demona]

Is she the guy?

[Joe Button]

As long as one parent is there,

[Big Ish]

I don't wear the parent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What time was the graduation?

[Big Ish]

They celebrated at 7:30.

[Big Demona]

Oh, he was at the party. He wasn't at the graduation.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It wasn't the graduation. I get it. It's a graduation party.

[Big Ish]

So is she the godmother?

[Big Demona]

The baby?

[Big Ish]

Okay, so we in the spot.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They got TVs.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

The game is on.

[Big Ish]

The game is on. So we leave at, like, right around halftime. But then I still got to go get my daughter. Daughter.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

So niggas is blowing my phone up.

[Joe Button]

Yo, we over here at the motherboard.

[Big Ish]

Yo, we over here. This go crazy. So I'm like, all right, all right, all right. I'm hauling ass. I got home, it was the third quarter started. By the time I would have got somewhere, it would have been a wrap. So I'm sitting at home, but I'm on the phone talking to people.

[Joe Button]

Well, of course, that's your default home,

[Big Ish]

but everybody's TV is ahead of mine. So look, my TV is like three minutes back.

[Brian]

Three minutes Back minutes.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, a whole three minutes. I don't know where you live, so I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You streaming?

[Big Ish]

Pay for the cable.

[Joe Button]

You live in the woods.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Big Demona]

He got that fire stick.

[Big Ish]

No, I got that fire. But, yo, so the. That's going on. I had to hang up on my peoples because they was like, yo, what the.

[Joe Button]

With the.

[Big Ish]

And I'm like, what's going on? They like, yo, you don't see I hung up on them.

[Joe Button]

So I'm watching you. They didn't. They don't do your neighbor neighborhood.

[Big Demona]

Oh, I used to hate that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but files, though. Yeah, we don't with you.

[Big Demona]

That's how you knew you was in the trenches. Files don't even come.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, exactly. Real.

[Big Demona]

That's the true story.

[Joe Button]

You got files. They come out there. I'm asking. I don't know.

[Big Ish]

Joe and I used to live around here. Files wouldn't come here. This ain't the trenches. It's all right. Though, dog, stop, bro, stop. Let me finish my story. So, long story short, this. This is happening. Plus, I'm looking at prize picks at the same time.

[Brian]

Shout out to prospects.

[Joe Button]

You get what I'm saying? So I'm like, yo, what the.

[Big Ish]

So when I seen prize picks, had the time. Because you know, they have the time up there in the right hand corner. And I seen the shit. Said like 38 seconds. But my TV was still on, like two minutes and some change. I just hung the phone up and I'm watching the game. And I'm like, nah, nah, nah, nah. I seen this motherfucker tip the ball on y'.

[Joe Button]

All. I was like.

[Big Ish]

And I was about to get on spaces threads. But I was like, you know what? Let me chill. Cause I've been dissing the coach the whole time since Oklahoma City. I've been shitting on the coach and everybody arguing with me.

[Joe Button]

Like, no, you.

[Big Demona]

You just hating.

[Big Ish]

You wrong. I'm like, no, I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But yeah, no, I had a similar experience. I was at Orange, this spot in the City Cafe. We were all out there watching the game. I got there an hour late. Cause I was waiting for my wife to get dressed.

[Brian]

Sounds about right.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The game starts at 8:30. Ain't that many of these. In fairness, I didn't give her a lot of notice. I only told her two days before that there was a game. So she said, I'll be ready in five minutes. And so the first quarter went, and I'm looking to score on ESPN. And I was like, yep, like 14 or 12, whatever it was. But that's a very surmountable thing for sure, you know? Then we got close to halftime and it was like a lot of points. Yeah, I almost. To your juju point. I almost didn't want to ruin it by going nowhere.

[Joe Button]

Word.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But then I went to the spot.

[Joe Button]

Everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was weird. Everybody on Nick stuff in like, Nick's hats. They were cheering, they were having a good time.

[Brian]

So, you know, it's destined, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. So I'm cheering for this. I'm the only person in the spot cheering for the spurs.

[Joe Button]

Like a doof.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And.

[Joe Button]

Yep, contrarian. Dr. Doof.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's fine. I'm fine with that. And so they was up 29. I was talking crazy. I was talking crazy. I was about to send stuff out to the group chat, but I was like, nah, don't do it too early. Yeah, it's too early. And like, when I saw the lead, I still didn't feel good. Cause I know we gonna get into it. But like the third quarter, the spurs weren't playing like a team that had a killer instinct. They were almost like they were just shooting anything they were doing. They just thought the game was a foregone conclusion. So I was feeling a little uneasy. So I started scaling back my shit, talking a little bit.

[Big Ish]

Me too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then when I got to 15, I got quieter. When I got to 10, I got real quiet. When it got to like two, I was just trying to find my car, but they wouldn't let me out and so I had to hold the L. They was all clown. It was a good time though, but. But it made me sick to watch that game.

[Brian]

Man, that was some of the best I ever seen in my life.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I'm a New Yorker, this is the greatest moment in my life. This is like the greatest sports moment.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Maybe in New. I don't even know. What is there better New York sports moment than that?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

In our lifetime, what would you say?

[Joe Button]

Yes.

[Brian]

What?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What?

[Big Ish]

The Mets?

[Joe Button]

The. The Tyreek catch.

[Big Ish]

No.

[Joe Button]

Hell no. The Tyreek catch. When the Giants beat the un.

[Big Ish]

You know why?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Because.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no.

[Joe Button]

Because Flax and Go got the.

[Big Ish]

This is a week of. Outside of the violence, this has been the biggest moment in New York sports. The energy in the city. All of that is insane.

[Brian]

I also just think that the duration of the Knicks having not been successful. It's different. The Giants were successful in our lifetime.

[Joe Button]

One game.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, that's true too.

[Brian]

The Giants were successful in our lifetimes. It was. That was a big moment too. But the Knicks have not won since 73 or whatever.

[Joe Button]

One of them Yankee. Yankee home runs in the World Series.

[Big Ish]

The Met, the. Lenny Dykstra, when it went roll.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That was like five, right.

[Big Ish]

I was in middle school.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

So that was huge. That Met series was huge. But since I've been around like, nah, this. The energy in New York City is a different energy I've never seen before.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's amazing to watch.

[Joe Button]

So I'm going to watch the game at home because.

[Brian]

Locked in.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. It's locking time. It's lock in time. I want to hear the commentators, all of them before the game. Oh, it's very important how the Knicks start. The Knicks have gotten off to a slow start. The Knicks have gotten off to just a bad. Been a deficit. Every very important how they start the game. And they just lost game three. So New York. Part of the good vibes in New York is when we was up too old. But then two one, you could kind of feel the Angst.

[Big Ish]

It was

[Joe Button]

over the city. So cool. They start the game. 15 seconds in. Karl Anthony Towns gets a foul on De' Aaron Fox. I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

[Big Ish]

A minute later, not even.

[Joe Button]

Wasn't even a minute. A couple seconds later, very next. Very next time. Down the floor, Wemby Long Ass is wrapping him up. That's what he did. Listen, I don't want to hear Laker fans.

[Big Ish]

No, I'm just saying. Let's just be objective. They won.

[Joe Button]

I'm telling you. Listen, I let you rock. Please, just go ahead. Let a Knick fan rock.

[Big Ish]

Do your thing.

[Joe Button]

Yo, Wimby Long Ass was wrapping up Cat. They call that on the floor. They challenge it somehow. Second foul on Cat. All right, we in a bad spot now. Yeah. A few plays later, Alvarez, Alvarado, whatever his name is, throw the ball in the air on a floater. Cornette jumped, hit it out the air.

[Brian]

Goaltend the shit out of that.

[Joe Button]

And they didn't call goaltending.

[Brian]

And then there was the Wemby play right after, where he reached above the. The fucking rim. Oh.

[Joe Button]

When he reached above the cylinder to put it back. And they didn't call nothing. So at this point, I'm fuming. We getting the dog shit beat out of us. And I'm screaming at the TV in a way that I haven't all year round, but it does. It feels good because I came in here and I said, listen, we've been cruising through this playoffs. If you're going to win it, we need a game with some. We need a. You know, we need the tight back and forth, the fucking ESPN Classic type of game. We need a buzzer beater. We need something, but we getting the dog beat out us. I'm screaming like, ro, get off the ball. I'm saying, I never screamed at the tv, but, yeah, it was an absolute mess. But if you're a Nick fan,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you

[Joe Button]

know not to cut the TV off.

[Big Ish]

If you're a sports fan.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Nah, sports fan. I can see you cutting. I can see you cutting it off.

[Brian]

The Knicks have been running back from.

[Big Ish]

Yeah,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

29 is historic.

[Joe Button]

As a Knick fan, first of all, the spurs magnet ball was on the money. That first half. 14 threes, everything they threw up was going in. This was an absolute shit show. More Knicks turnovers. But as a Knick fan, you can't cut the game off because we was down 22 against Cleveland last year. We did this shit three times. I think our record is five and three in games where you're down by 20. In the fourth, though, not in the game, in the fourth. So anyway, the third quarter start, I'm like, you know what, let's see how this goes. If they get this down to 13, 15. In my room, I was saying, 13, get this thing down to 13. And they kept going back and forth, kept going back and forth. Fucking 8, 0 run. Then they scored 3. Fucking 7, 0 run.

[Brian]

They were chiseling.

[Joe Button]

Cause they got down to 20.

[Brian]

I was like, oh, hold up now.

[Joe Button]

And I'm seeing Mike Brown fight for his life. He threw fucking huck poy in there in the first half. He threw son in there. We saw Jordan Clarkson. This guy is at the, the announce. The announcers are saying it like they like, yo, he is searching over there with all this foul trouble going on. We in a bad spot. And I'm like, yo, I can't believe the Knicks came out like this in the gym. I'm telling Cor it's a must win. Everybody know this is a must win. I can't believe they came out flat like that. But in the third, they start chipping away. They get it down to 15. Going into the fourth, I'm like, oh, telling my stuff. Tell my girl, hey, this is manageable. They can catch this easily. Yeah. Then the game start going, oh, buddy. Oh, buddy. Oh, yeah, Mark. Yeah. Cuz the Knicks, the Knicks have a tendency with everything they throw up, start going in. Yes.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

No transition. They shoot two threes in transition. The game goes from 15 to nine. Like that.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

Like it's not hard for them to do.

[Joe Button]

And then if you let Brunson start heating up and moving around and because he was a little. He was moving around a little timid. Like he was searching for his teammates and trying to get other people involved. Like even reading newspaper clippings, like too much on ball. Brunson. So he was just trying to get people involved. But once he snapped out of that and started going and an OG wasn't missing, it was like, yo, we gonna catch these young ass at the door. Door.

[Big Ish]

I watched it and I, I started feeling like, yo, dog, they gonna lose.

[Joe Button]

And in that moment was the basketball gods. Because all of this changed when we got the Victor Wimana flagrant that we should have gotten the last game. That was the entire turning point of the game when they gave us our flagrant that they didn't give us before. Oh word, we lit now. Mitch. I love Mitch. Elbowing.

[Big Demona]

Bong.

[Joe Button]

Elbow that.

[Brian]

Alberto. Picking them up, scooping them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Yes. That was the response. I would All I was just like, damn, I wish they would have did that at the beginning of the game and not when they're down a million.

[Brian]

I think that they.

[Big Ish]

Everybody.

[Brian]

I granted, I know Wemby is seven foot a million and athletic and can jump all over the place, but everyone plays so scared of him. It's frustrating. Like, go at him. Yo.

[Joe Button]

He's.

[Big Ish]

And guess what? The people that go at him get success.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

When we move around, not that good of a defender. Like, even he's a great defender, but

[Brian]

you got to at least tire him.

[Big Demona]

Him out.

[Joe Button]

You got to tire him out.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

When you avoid him, you look. You start looking like the Thunder looked against him.

[Big Ish]

And that's exactly what they did.

[Joe Button]

And the Knicks have success going at him. So, yeah, it was. It was a. It was night and day with how they were playing him. But Wimby, it's so much. He already get a favorable whistle. But the gold tens. It's gold tens that they miss on him. It's over the backs that they miss on him. And it's a lot of travels that they miss on him. But I don't want to sound like a hater. It's a lot of them. I've been watching film for weeks now. It's a lot of travel.

[Big Ish]

I think stars get. Yeah, stars get star treatment. Because if that's the case. And again, I'm not. I think the Knicks are an amazing team. I think they're a well constructed team. We talked about when y' all got og. I like that OG pickup. I like bridges. I just like the gritty nature of the team. Yeah, right. But Mike Brown deserves a ton of credit, bro.

[Brian]

For sure.

[Big Ish]

He's putting on a coaching clinic. I think these teams are really evenly matched, like. And I think the coaching is just. Is the tipping point to that point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me ask you a question. If Pop. I'll say Popovich.

[Big Ish]

The Knicks might have got swapped if

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Popovich is coaching this spurs team. I wouldn't say that. But if he's coaching his team, what do you think the series is right now?

[Brian]

You're still dealing with. With young players. So I think that.

[Big Ish]

Which means you got to overcoach.

[Joe Button]

It would be a little bit.

[Brian]

It would be closer, but I don't think it would be swept.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think it'd be 2, 2, 2.

[Big Ish]

I think it's 31 spurs, coach.

[Joe Button]

Coaching could get you a win. Coaching can get you a win, homeboy. See, but this is what I keep saying after every game. And this is how I know homeboy is not only getting out coached, but he probably ain't doing the most coaching over there. After every game, he keep telling the team, y' all are better than them. Y' all have decided each of these games. All you have to do is play normal and you should win. And then the very young team goes in the pressers and says that. Which says to me, well, like after this last loss, 29 point loss, biggest ing play in playoff history, and Stephen Castle again comes out with coaches telling us, we have decided each of these games. Well, duh, you've decided each of the games.

[Big Ish]

No, the coach decided a bunch of these games, too. Like, I'm not gonna take nothing off the players, bro. I've been watching basketball a long time and I was watching them shoot threes. Shoot threes.

[Joe Button]

Shoot threes.

[Big Ish]

And three pointers. When you miss, yield to long rebounds, which lead to transition. Easy buckets for the Knicks, which is the last thing you want to do do is speed up the game when you up 30.

[Joe Button]

But that's where I was going. If you telling them all you gotta do is be yourself and you'll be fine, then that means you're not coaching against all of these mistakes that are being made.

[Big Ish]

You're not making.

[Joe Button]

They are young, immature, cocky, arrogant type of mistakes. When Wimby was doing all that. I'm in your head. I'm in your head. I'm like, that's cute when you up. Yeah, but you can't be that guy and then miss two free throws at the end.

[Big Ish]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Which, by the way.

[Joe Button]

And he's shooting. He's 85% from the line. My girl was like, damn, he never missed.

[Big Ish]

But that's tiredness. Which goes back to coaching. Because when you up 30, take him out the game and let him chill. You need fresh legs.

[Joe Button]

Well, he needs better conditioning.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, he does. He needs better conditioning about him before. I said that before the series started.

[Joe Button]

And he needs. He needs a weight room.

[Big Ish]

He gained.

[Joe Button]

He's got a lot of weight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It looks different on 74, but he's a lot better.

[Joe Button]

No, it's going to take time. It's going to take time. It reminds me of young Giannis when Giannis came in.

[Brian]

Or even young kd. Yeah, KD was bad skinny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's a good.

[Big Ish]

My thing is this like, like.

[Joe Button]

Well, no, because if he stays kd, then he's going to have a hard time in his career. He needs to bulk up.

[Brian]

And kg. Really? Both of them. Ra Yo.

[Big Ish]

It's just so many. And I Don't want to take nothing from the Knicks because I don't give a. If my team won by 0.3 points. We won one. Get the out my face.

[Joe Button]

You can't take nothing.

[Big Ish]

I know it's three to one, but when you're watching these games and you just seeing the level of not a thing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's three to one.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

When you just watching the mistakes like yo, Dearon Fox, you play point guard your whole life, you get the steal. Y' all up one. Run around, bro.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What he said in the press conference was, and I agree with you, he should have done that. What he said is he could. He couldn't see OG Coming coming from. It was in his blind side. And so I. I can't there.

[Big Ish]

That's the point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, if you have a wide open lane, it's not crazy. But the problem is if there's somebody else there, you run the clock. He should have run it out. I'm agreeing with y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying crazy to make it.

[Joe Button]

Well, don't say y', all, cuz I'm not on him. The truth of the matter is none of them have ever been there with the exception of OG who won one. Mikhail been there and they lost four straight after they went up two. Zip.

[Big Ish]

See, that's an excuse because for me, you played point guard your entire life. You've been playing this game since you were 7 or 8. So situational basketball from a point guard's perspective is a mental.

[Joe Button]

Situational basketball changes in situations. True. Them lights are bright.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

So look as a point guard.

[Joe Button]

And that is an all. A second team all NBA Defender of the Year. That's right there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. He said he couldn't see it. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

None of that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a bad decision. But he's. I'm sure.

[Joe Button]

But that wasn't his only bad decision because right after that he fouls out Alvarado when he's about to go back court, he fouls him. OG Is his man on the tip to me was tipping play. So there's nobody boxing out. All them young boys is under there jumping as high as they can. But you got this long, athletic with a running start, no box and nobody there. Yeah, his chances are pretty good. And why are you going to double Jaylen Brunson with this 7 foot 5 dude over there who you like your

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

chance feet from the basket. Right.

[Big Ish]

He can run around. So I wasn't even mad at that.

[Joe Button]

He made a lot of mistakes, Dog but ain't no Joe nothing good for the spurs because after every game, you arrogant. Just why you think is throwing eggs at y' all at the hotel? That's why.

[Brian]

That's a good shot.

[Big Ish]

Don't champion. Yeah, that one.

[Joe Button]

I don't champion that, but you in. Listen, you're in New York. You in New York. Somebody's gonna do something stupid.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Throwing an egg at Wim be, though. It's crazy.

[Joe Button]

It ain't the craziest. It ain't the craziest.

[Big Ish]

It's crazy. It's crazy. Up three. One.

[Joe Button]

Y' all won.

[Brian]

It was a good shot.

[Big Ish]

And y' all won't say that if they go down San Antonio and somebody get hurt. Y' all ain't gonna. Don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Don't encourage no violence.

[Joe Button]

My.

[Big Ish]

That ain't funny.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Big Ish]

Good for you, y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Big Ish]

You said good for y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That nigga did was walk in his

[Big Ish]

hotel, walking in his hotel room that

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you can't hit him with eggs. But, but. But it was a egg.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, like, relax now. Now, he didn't shoot at him. I'm done. I'm done with y'.

[Big Ish]

All. You in New York sound crazy, bro.

[Big Demona]

Have a heart.

[Big Ish]

No, y' all sound crazy, bro. Cuz when somebody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If your fans hit him with an egg because he's in New York, that's what the game is.

[Big Ish]

What are you supposed to do?

[Joe Button]

What are y' all debating against? We already said he shouldn't be hit with eggs. What are y' all arguing?

[Big Ish]

Oh, you said good for you.

[Joe Button]

So what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm disagreeing. That's what I'm disagreeing.

[Joe Button]

But we don't think he should be hit with an egg. So what if you say you got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but back to the other point, what I was saying was I think all this de', Aaron. All this de' Aaron Fox talk, I think Wemby's actually getting let off the hook for missing those two free throws. It seems like the more people focused on him, bro.

[Big Ish]

He's getting let off the hook for a lot, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just saying, Wimby, to me, is the leader of this team. And like you said, if he's doing this, a lot needs to be held a little bit more accountable. I get the de' Aaron Fox thing. But to me, if you talk about Superstar. Superstar missing two free throws in the clutch and. And game two, throwing the ball to his teammate's back.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, those are two.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, you could honestly make a case those are two games that the spurs could have won two games just based on Wimby's mistakes in the last 10 seconds of a game.

[Joe Button]

You can make any case you want to make as long as we up, as long as you want to make it.

[Big Ish]

Three pointers. It was one point where he shot a three, got the rebound, didn't reset the clock to get a better play, shot another three. All these are mental mistakes being made. And this is where your coach, Coach settles these 20 year old kid. 20 year old boys from making these mental errors, bro.

[Joe Button]

Then that's why experience is important.

[Big Ish]

I'm not disagreeing with you again. The Knicks are winning. The Knicks are a hell of a team. I don't want to take nothing from them. But the 3:1 shit could easily be 3:1 the other way.

[Joe Button]

Sure, it is a dumb. Hey, what do you want from me, buddy? When the game ended, I could hear the screams from New York York, bro. Right?

[Brian]

It was loud outside.

[Joe Button]

I could hear everybody screaming and I was silent, quiet as a church mouse. Like I didn't. I was like in a state of shock. Yes, for probably 10 minutes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I could tell, cuz I texted you after the game. You didn't even talk.

[Big Ish]

Yo, the stadium wasn't even.

[Joe Button]

Like I said, Knicks fans have seen this movie before.

[Big Ish]

But not like this on this stage.

[Joe Button]

Not like this with, with, with this at stake. Not like this to turn it up like that, to do that when, when, when Bridges is off, Shamit is off, Deuces off. The people you rely on at home are off, gone. Now what you gonna do? Hey, the refs, they not calling it now what you gonna do? Like, dog, you could say what you want about the Knicks. Them niggas persevere. Their mental toughness is on a different level. Agree. They just, they, they play, play. They play hard. Yo, and that was Broadway theater. If you could. Dog, you got Seinfeld in there. He can't believe it.

[Big Ish]

Who's who?

[Brian]

Larry David.

[Joe Button]

Larry David. When Josh Hart missed the layup, we got Mariska in there, Taylor Swift. We gotta make noise for Jordan woods who brought the fucking. That's how much of a fan I am. Game three when we lost my girl. Cause I don't care. Keep up with this. She said, babe, they say it's cuz Jordan didn't bring her lucky clutch. It's like, yo, what the are you talking about right now? Jordan has a lucky clutch that she's been bringing there every game and they've been winning and she didn't bring it in game three. And you want it, baby, do me a favor. Go in the room. Shut the fuck up. Go in the room. Yo, shut the fuck up. And game four, she had to clutch. They showed a picture of it and I'm such a bae. Hey, Jordan B.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Is that the clutch? Is that the clutch?

[Joe Button]

She. She's wearing it. I believe in that type shit.

[Big Ish]

All I do all that.

[Joe Button]

Trump came. You can't bring the bags. All right, now the lucky bag is back.

[Big Ish]

They in my DM saying, tell Joe stay the out of Madison Square Garden.

[Joe Button]

Okay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They should be telling Trump to stand. And when Joe.

[Big Ish]

No, cuz it been a wrong long running joke that Joe goes to. They lose, they like, yo, tell them stay the fuck out the Garden, yo.

[Joe Button]

Nah, fucking ESPN children stat earlier, Jon Stewart is. Every time he go, there's a loss.

[Brian]

Oh, really?

[Joe Button]

Really? Yeah, John, they've won with me in the building.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, in the playoffs.

[Joe Button]

I know the fans just think I'm a jinx or whatever, but Trump's 0

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

and 1 though, right? So if they invite him back, what do you do?

[Brian]

He not coming back?

[Joe Button]

Nah, they talking about game six.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Really?

[Brian]

Him coming back?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, everybody wants to be in the building when they win the championship.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, they're talking about game six.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm bringing out.

[Big Ish]

Donald Trump is a New Yorker be like. And he a narcissist. And so he's definitely not the person

[Big Demona]

that wouldn't come because he's the juju. He coming. He don't give a fuck.

[Joe Button]

For the Knicks to win, in spite of having an owner that made this all about him, having a mayor that made it all about him, and having a president that made this all about them. Like, there's so many people that I just don't think are Knick fans at all that are just fucking having a say in what the team looks and feels like. Like, when that blowout was happening, Captain, I was like, please get us back to San Antonio. Well, I'm sorry. San. San. New York. Sand, sand, sand New York City. Because the Knicks are in a. The Knicks are in a. But, but deeper than that, the Knicks, throughout the whole playoffs, the fans have traveled. Yeah, we can't get in New York. We can't afford to get in New York. It's cheaper to go out there. The Knicks fans are traveling. I don't see the advantage in, in. In the home court. I wouldn't have been all the way scared if they lost. And we go back to seeing New York City. Two, two. Are you.

[Brian]

Are you going?

[Joe Button]

No, I'm not going I just read.

[Big Ish]

I just read some shit.

[Joe Button]

I'll be in LA.

[Big Ish]

55% of the tickets or 45% of the tickets are bought by New Jersey and New York residents for the San Antonio game.

[Joe Button]

It's less distractions. It's New York fans. It's not your family and friends that you got to get tickets for. Even though this might be different, because now it's closeout time, right? So now you may be flying some people out there to celebrate with you

[Big Ish]

when you close, but still not.

[Joe Button]

And how poetic would that be, closing the finals and winning the championship in the same building that Becky Hammond's jersey is in the rafters after the small guard that she said that's been carrying on.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that'd be cool.

[Joe Button]

How poetic. How poetic would that. How poetic would that be? The 99 finals, spurs won game one, game two, we won game three, spurs won game four and five. How poetic would that be to mirror that exact same. It's so much that's poetic right now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I gotta tell you, Joe, if there's no more perfectly New York way to win a championship after everything New York's been through and what New York means to watch this team win the way it's won, win all those games, get their ass kick, you know, for half a quarter. Comeback, historic comeback, last second, tipping the. The players, the characters, the personalities, all the court size shit, all these side storylines. I mean, if you. This is how New York. This is like a movie.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it is. It's like a movie. I think it's a great way to win. I don't want them to win, but if they do, it's a great way to see it happen.

[Big Ish]

I gave it all.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, we gotta see what. We gotta see what a parade looks like in New York City. Because all of these watch parties and the celebrations, I cry at every one of them. Every one of them. I see. I'm crying.

[Big Ish]

Was like a real.

[Joe Button]

At the togetherness of the town right now, Mona.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Joe said we can go to the parade. So there's a good. If it's on a work day, we good.

[Joe Button]

She probably just coming from setting up the parade. She ain't been here but for 10 minutes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was wondering.

[Big Demona]

I was waiting for it. I was wondering why you only asked me where I watched the game at.

[Brian]

Where'd you watch the game at?

[Big Demona]

I watch basketball start right here. No, I'm happy for New York. That was a big deal. Like, I know. I know enough about sports to know that they've never won anything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it Ain't been for decades.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm glad Avery Wilson got to sing the. Sing the national anthem again. He did.

[Brian]

He did better this time, too, I think.

[Joe Button]

Oh, no, he absolutely went a lot crazier this time. He went crazy this time. Yeah. Yeah, he went a lot crazier this

[Big Demona]

time at night, but he could sing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, so. So I'm glad he was there during halftime when we was getting blown out. Wu Tang playing all that. And I'm like, yo, how the we performing like this? And Cream is on.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Like, how do you perform like this here in these joints? And sure enough, man, Wu Tang saved the day, man. Our woo gangs. Jordan got the flu game. New York got the woo gang. See, it makes sense. It just makes sense. Yo, we killing. Yo, I'm sorry if you tired. If you tired of me now, you better not listen. Next week, I gotta. I got us closing this shit out. And the next few days, I do, we can stick a fork in all that. San Antonio. That boy Harper is so nice. He's nice. You pull him. He is so.

[Big Ish]

He's the only person attacking the basket.

[Joe Button]

He's so nice, you take him out the game. Thank God. Thank God.

[Big Ish]

It's so many coaching errors that have been made.

[Joe Button]

Our hands are so full.

[Big Ish]

When he's in, damn near every player they not calling, you take him out the like. Come on, dog.

[Joe Button]

Thank the Lord.

[Big Ish]

At some point, you gotta take accountability. He's getting his ass kicked on the coaching, and he's doing mad stupid shit, bro.

[Joe Button]

Next year, they will work through those things. I bet. You know what I mean? The team is young. Sometimes, like willpower said, you need to. You need to feel a heartache and pain.

[Big Ish]

You do.

[Joe Button]

Sometimes you need pain. Yeah, it helps you get these little young fucking niggas the fuck out. The fuck you thought these young was about to do? That was y' all that was scared of them. We not.

[Big Ish]

Okay. Don't do that.

[Joe Button]

We not the Thunder. It's a beautiful day over here. Ain't no lightning in sight. Who the did y' all think we were? I kept trying to tell y' all all that. Oh, the winner's coming out of the west of the finals. Suck a dick. What the are y' all talking about? Stop playing with us, man. Young punks thought we about to get beat by some niggas that's wet behind the ears. Just experienced fucking puberty. The fuck are you talking about? These niggas is 19. They just started playing a long season. Some of these niggas ain't Got proper shape ups don't know how to wash they balls and ass. The fuck you thought they was gonna do against a nigga named og? Make it make sense. Fox.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Dead ass. Carl Towns. 10 plus years. Brunson done won everywhere he been. Stop. What did you think was gonna happen?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Happen.

[Joe Button]

Tasted the. The. The Mikhail Bend. What did you. I just don't know what you thought was gonna happen. I said on a few pods ago. Know what old niggas understand better than young. And that'll just forever be the case. Youth. There comes a point where it comes back to bite you. Like that. Sounds smooth. All that. Hey, we don't know what we don't know. And that's working to our advantage because we've never experienced it. Sure. Until you run into something in life where you either need experience or you need to go and talk to somebody who has something. Because this is beyond you now. It's greater than you now. And that's what it looks like when the Knicks play them. And I'll wrap this up because I don't want to nick these people to death out there. The Knicks are playing with a pain that precedes the spurs when they. The current Spurs. Because I don't think this is the same classy organization that it was. These is these. Not at all.

[Brian]

No, I think it is.

[Joe Button]

You would have never heard Malik Rose sound like this in the show. No, I'm not to any of them. Mario, Mario, Ellie, Sean Elliott, Avery Johnson, fucking Robert. Pick a spur. There would never be a time in the pop, though. It ain't. It ain't. Okay, so it's pop.

[Big Ish]

It's.

[Joe Button]

That's the spurs or as an organization. I keep telling you, they wouldn't have played the cartoon. These are young.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's interesting.

[Joe Button]

These are the young Spurs. They popping it.

[Brian]

You made a good point.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I still think it's a classy organization, but I think you're right. I think they're not keeping.

[Joe Button]

They're in a new era of whatever that looks like for them. And it looks very different from the. The papa bitch. They still have yet to give their opponent respect. They so young they ain't even read 48 laws of power.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Power.

[Joe Button]

Know why the Knicks keep winning? They respect y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, they do. And they say it.

[Joe Button]

They have a very healthy respect for who y' all are, how y' all got here. And if they dismiss you, it certainly ain't gonna be in front of these microphones.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's right.

[Joe Button]

Just a real smug attitude from you. And y' all will go on to dominate at some time. Cause y' all are good. Y' all on them rookie contracts. Two years, y' all are. Oh, yeah, listen. Yeah. They got their hands full out in the west with these young boys.

[Big Ish]

I think they think that. And I think once they get rid

[Joe Button]

of Fox with all that money they owe him and build around the rest of the team, next year, they gonna be fine. But as of right now, the Knicks are playing with a pain that comes way before you guys were born, before your parents fucked. Jalen's dad was there in 99. Look on the sidelines. It's not just the celebrity old timer Knicks that's there. No, nigga, it's regular Knicks.

[Brian]

All the Knicks is there.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's every Knicks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Every Knicks.

[Joe Button]

And there is a pain. There's a look on each one of their faces. Cause they Understand this is 53 years of some shit you young boys is just hyping on a roll. That's cute. And two, it ain't go Knicks, man. Nicks and five. Knicks and five. I ain't gonna beat y' all down, man. And now it's time for my favorite part of the show. Nah. Being up 3:1 on them bum ass niggas. What the fuck is you talking about? These niggas that y' all told me was tough Aliens and shit, huh? Foxes, Lions, Tigers and bears. These niggas. And I hope they have a good summer. Enjoy your Cancun. Enjoy the monks. Get back to that.

[Big Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I got nothing.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go Spurs.

[Big Demona]

I like when Joe yells, the only

[Joe Button]

spur I like is flying. If it ain't that. These niggas, man. Yeah. You hear me? You hear me? So funny. It's a call. You know that call. He trying to shed the champagne. Socialist.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't get it.

[Joe Button]

You got me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Who makes a flying sport? I get it was. I thought it was.

[Joe Button]

Ah, we got it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I thought he was saying it was a plane, to be honest. I thought it was like a private jet or something. What is a flying spur?

[Joe Button]

All right, prize picks. If you. If. Listen, if you've been rolling with the Knicks, you've been making a couple of dollars or not about to say how if. If you've been rolling with the Knicks, you made money this whole playoff.

[Big Ish]

That's not true. Because the usual suspects for the Knicks are not coming.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got too many people contributing.

[Joe Button]

Okay? You talking about prospects?

[Big Ish]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking about just the team. Just if you have been rolling with the Knicks.

[Big Ish]

True.

[Joe Button]

Whatever. The Spreads have been. If you just say I like the Knicks. You up?

[Big Ish]

No, you wanna.

[Joe Button]

You up. You up quite a bit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A Flying Spurs. A Bentley.

[Big Ish]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Fuck y'.

[Joe Button]

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[Big Ish]

OG OG

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Karl Anthony Towns.

[Joe Button]

And I'm going Jalen.

[Big Ish]

Still no og OG for sure.

[Joe Button]

I wouldn't be mad if they gave

[Big Ish]

it to OG 28 and 30 right the last two games. Something like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The first two wins call. Anthony Towns was the MVP and he's doing an excellent defensive job. I mat could go a lot of

[Joe Button]

directions but I think they'll give it to Jaylen for carrying them the entire time the season.

[Brian]

I would.

[Big Ish]

Cuz Jaylen hasn't. This finals has been difficult for him. They've been on his ass, bro. His shooting position, playing great but the last.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's why I don't say how you

[Big Ish]

let him go to the middle. They've been veering him to the side the whole. They just gonna let them start going to the.

[Joe Button]

Well, game one, they don't win until the Brunson burner is affected in the fourth quarter. Last game, he was the only one keeping them afloat in the second quarter. I think he has 17 in the second quarter, and then he turned up with OG in the fourth. So, I mean, these last two games where he's had 30 points in both, I could just. The numbers are there enough for nobody to have a problem if Jalen gets. Gets it. If OG gets it, I'm not mad. Best 200 million ever spent. Best. It was a lot of fuss about his 200 million dollar contract. Best 200 million ever spent, I'll tell you that. He got absolutely robbed for first team all defense. He got absolutely robbed for first team wall defense.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All right, y', all, enough about basketball. There's a lot of really important things

[Big Ish]

going on in the world that we

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

got to get to.

[Big Demona]

What quarter of the podcast are we in exactly? The Knicks happy, but God damn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. All right, so let's get to more serious topics, y'. All. Rick Ross flew commercial.

[Joe Button]

Oh, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This week.

[Brian]

Poor guy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop the press, yo. For real.

[Joe Button]

That is hilarious.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did y'. All. Did y' all see. Y' all been following this hullabaloo?

[Brian]

I. I have, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Unfortunately, Rick Ross was getting clapped. First of all, the video's going on on the Internet. You seen the video where he got his towel over his head and they try to make it seem like he's hiding.

[Brian]

It seemed like he was hiding.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he was definitely hiding, you know, from the frontier flight. But it might not. Oh, go ahead.

[Joe Button]

It didn't seem to me like he was hiding because he was taking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

A commercial flight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what?

[Joe Button]

Looked like he was hiding because he's at the gate of a commercial flight.

[Big Ish]

You don't be wanting an hour ahead of time.

[Joe Button]

You don't want them. Them be weird at the gate if y' all would really have a conversation about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Ish]

Weird everywhere.

[Joe Button]

Then they look at you weird when you sit two seats away from them. Like, I'll you up. What are you talking about? And I'm putting my book bag next to you, and I'm digging in there to get the chips and the headphones and my phone charger and whatever I need to. You about to do about it. And I'm reading the paper and making noises with the. And putting it them be weird over there.

[Big Ish]

No, sure.

[Joe Button]

So listen, if I'm being courteous, if I'm at gate 39, if gate 3738 is a little empty, I'll sit over there to be away from y'.

[Big Ish]

All.

[Joe Button]

But if I don't feel like it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you fly commercial.

[Joe Button]

Yes, Mark, I fly commercial. Wow.

[Big Ish]

Hey now and again I got you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When submerged.

[Big Ish]

No, just depending on what that quarter looking like, you know, should fluctuate.

[Joe Button]

I don't make enough to fly private every single time I fly.

[Big Ish]

That's expensive, bro.

[Joe Button]

But I also really. And I also don't fly a bunch. So if I take. I'm gonna take a vacation a year. I'm gonna fly private.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I know this week you got a big. We got a big meeting.

[Joe Button]

In all my business deals. I bake it in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was about to ask you, you

[Joe Button]

flying private this week? I bake it in. Well, this week. No, no, no, no, no. Float out. See, see, because that's the other thing with flying private. Once you start checking out the planes and I know the planes I like and the planes I don't like, they try to get you to all this plane and get you there really fast. I ain't trying to get there fast. I'm trying to be comfy and cozy and chill. So the planes you can stand up in all that G4, G5 and the planes I like cost a little bit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

So on my LA trip, for instance,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

guess what I'm talking about?

[Big Ish]

And you really.

[Joe Button]

I'm flying commercial down. I'm flying private it back.

[Big Ish]

You can't really impress her with the.

[Joe Button]

You know what I mean? Yes is okay. I know what you mean.

[Big Demona]

Yeah. Y', all, I can't even see a time. Like it's just a waste of dep for me. I just don't like besides needing to do it because you're this uber star, you know what I mean? Like Beyonce can't get on commercial. Right? Don't matter. It's going to be ridiculous. Right? I just can't see. It just seems like a waste to me. You know what I mean? Unless if my fame is at that point where, where it is safer for me, like I don't have no other option. Okay, cool. I don't plan on getting that paid.

[Big Ish]

But when you, when. When you. When your tax bracket is so crazy that it's. It's just a write off for you. Fly private.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, there's also the environmental.

[Big Ish]

Well, Uncle Sam is taking $10,000,000, 20, $30,000,000 from you. And instead of him taking 10,000,000, he gonna take 9,800,070 also.

[Joe Button]

I don't wanna be that guy.

[Big Demona]

I ain't gonna be.

[Joe Button]

It don't cost a lot to buy a gift jet.

[Big Demona]

Okay.

[Big Ish]

No, it cost a lot to fuel. I don't think I the fuel be the money.

[Joe Button]

Cost a lot to maintain it and to maintain, period.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

So for the service, the engine checks, the gas, for the storing to park it. Buying a jet is the easy part. Maintaining it is what's going to cost you. Is what's going to cost you. But anyway. Yeah, so I'm. I'm flying that. Yeah, that started getting too. I ain't tax time. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not doing that. But I'll tell you one thing, as somebody that has flown private a little, little tiny bit, it's tough going back to that regular airport.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I get it.

[Joe Button]

It is tough going back to that regular airport.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I flew that little plane. Y' all let me fly in this time. And it's not took you on that jet they gave me. It was like value jet for the

[Joe Button]

Mark and Ian show. Got him a jet to Buffalo.

[Big Demona]

Keep trying to get them on the show going. Docs with the on the fans want it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. No, that's the thing about punctuality, man. That's the thing. You could get a show. I believe in the talent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You see. Docs be late.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah. Good thing about it. I don't even care about me and late. I'm only be late and don't even tell you nothing. She just walk in.

[Big Demona]

That's what we not going to do.

[Joe Button]

All right, anyway, so. So back to what we were saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But on that note, I get it because, like, the flight was cool, but just the convenience of, like going right to the plane, not having to talk to people, nobody bothering you.

[Big Ish]

Walk up the steps.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Walk up the steps and you just jump on the. You know, the ride back home, it was. It made life easier. And also your schedule. You ain't got to plan your whole life around being at the airport at this time. I get the.

[Joe Button]

That's the best part about flying private.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's a schedule party.

[Big Demona]

Do they come with a flight attendant or you have to buy.

[Joe Button]

No, it comes with it. You get to skip the whole ordeal at the airport. Whenever you ready to leave, you just leave.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that was amazing.

[Joe Button]

Yo, we gonna leave at 9 tonight. We going to leave at 11. Pm tonight. That's. That's the fire.

[Brian]

When we got there, they're like, whenever you guys are ready, just let us know. It was like, right. Oh.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then like the next day, I was at Newark Airport, mad as everything just seemed. And I got like, clear and all that, but it just felt like I was the world's longest line. It wasn't that bad, but it just felt worse.

[Brian]

Compared.

[Big Ish]

Felt poor.

[Joe Button]

Yes, felt poor. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wherever I was, Peter Pan bust the way.

[Joe Button]

Honestly, wherever that last place was, because I was traveling, I went to Houston, right. And it was something going on. So the airport was packed and the podcast is doing great. So I like, they. There's gonna always be one dude in there that spots me as soon as I walk in library and follows me

[Big Ish]

around 5 in the morning.

[Joe Button]

And he's always gonna be the most annoying dude. And he's always going to like, fucking Jacksonville or somewhere. A gate that should be far from mine. He on the line. Me, I thought I avoided him. I got on the pre check line. He there. I dip, go to pre check. Clear. Gotcha. He got clear too.

[Big Ish]

Premier access.

[Joe Button]

He followed me over there to clear. He go through, I go through. He go through. We on the line. He like, hey, Joe, buddy, yo, what you doing here? One of those. One of those people, yo, what you. The airport, yo, what you doing here? Yo, crazy, y'.

[Big Demona]

All.

[Big Ish]

I just same you're doing here? No, I just want to buy a sandwich.

[Joe Button]

He said, yo, where you going?

[Big Ish]

You live here? Where you.

[Joe Button]

Where you at it. I said, I didn't tell him. Like, that's personal, that you asking me. I was like, how about you? Oh, I'm here for vacation. Yada, yada, yada. Thought I shut it down, walk through the thing. He right there behind me. While you waiting for your. Through the conveyor belt. And them that's watching for your belongings back there, they really doing their due diligence now. So you waiting. Your bag ain't coming till 90 bags. And it's getting crowded and congested over there now. He got mad time to talk to. He said, yo, man, I ain't gonna lie, Joe. I'm surprised you flying with us.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I hate that.

[Joe Button]

Why are you even flying in the airport? You don't fly private. I said, sometimes. But in my head I'm like, it's because of you. It's only because of you. It's only because of this guy that you fly private. Mr. Jacksonville, when you fly private, you don't see them. You don't see them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

At all.

[Joe Button]

You see Gary Vee LeBron wife. You don't see none of them, dog.

[Big Demona]

I think people just counting too many counting people pockets is crazy because it's like, why do you deem that Rick Ross supposed to always fly?

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Ish]

So back to the funny part with the Rick Ross. Is he on for flying commercialized? So that's why they start attacking them. Like, not you, man.

[Joe Button]

My.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He just had a bar about who. Who don't fly private.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you.

[Joe Button]

So you can't.

[Big Demona]

So being that he has that bar, he can never fly commercial again. We. We for real, man.

[Brian]

Rappers just be talking, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why they taking.

[Big Demona]

Why is that? Why is me saying that? That's the com. But he know he was talking. He's a rapper. He going.

[Joe Button]

That's today's fans. They trying to hold rappers to their lyrics and podcasters.

[Big Demona]

God, the podcaster part is ridiculous. We just be saying, yeah, Rick Ross

[Joe Button]

looks so depressed to be flying with y' all jump monkeys that put a wet towel over his head to avoid some of the poverty that's in these airports.

[Big Demona]

Also, he's still a big and big need towels sometimes wet if it's hot outside and sweating.

[Joe Button]

But here's Ross's one of Ross's explanations about why he was traveling that way.

[Big Ish]

For the ones who want to know where my jet at, I obviously didn't get the memo. It's being updated with stuff.

[Big Demona]

Starlink.

[Big Ish]

You know what starlink is? That's the half a million dollar wi fi. Yeah, that's where my jet at. And I chose to fly commercial to Columbia to go party with trick daddy and ball greasy at the escape the States vibe. And coming from a boss, I gotta let you know how this go. When Ricky Rose take flights to see six digits. I'm going to get some money on the mon. But don't y' all ever look down on no young hustlers who if they walking, if they riding a bicycle, if they riding on the train. Don't you ever look down on those young hustlers going to get some money. Don't you ever talk about these.

[Joe Button]

You get the gist.

[Big Demona]

Yeah. I love.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He made a good point. I love what he said there.

[Big Demona]

He know how to pop it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. It's like y' all sound stupid clowning for not being in a. In a private jet. I hate that. I hate the fact that that's even like a scandal. Like right, he was flying commercial. Like who gives a.

[Big Demona]

And stop taking pictures of people without permission. And it's like every time that happens to me. I run right down on people's quarter like this without saying what you already do with that. And people are always so surprised, but. But I'm just as surprised that you're filming me, bro.

[Big Ish]

And they get mad at you.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, they try.

[Big Ish]

They get mad at you. Somebody took me mad.

[Big Demona]

Until you put your chest on their chest. And then people be like, whoa. You know what I mean? It's jarring.

[Joe Button]

Yo, if you see me in the airport, don't say nothing to me, dawg.

[Big Demona]

So now the next person gonna say,

[Joe Button]

no, you don't like it. That's what they do to me.

[Big Ish]

Yo, I know, I know. Yo, yo, I know you don't like this. I said, bro, that's not me.

[Joe Button]

That's Joe.

[Big Ish]

All right, can I get a picture?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be like, yeah, come on.

[Big Ish]

But at 6 o' clock in the morning, my. I was at the airport the last time. I'm like, yo, B, it's too early. My.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you tell him that?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I was just like, yo, Brian, it was at 6 in the morning. I take pictures all day, but not at 6 in the morning.

[Big Demona]

Can I tell y' all something? I've never really say no. I don't know.

[Big Ish]

I don't say no.

[Big Demona]

I remember me and Joe had a conversation. It almost felt like at first to me. It told me you had that little, little, small conversation. It almost felt like it was like ungrateful to say no to people because without them, this don't happen.

[Big Ish]

I feel like that.

[Big Demona]

But I'm still a person, and I used to sell boundaries. If I. If I never say no, I will never literally be able to say no.

[Joe Button]

So, see, I never say yes.

[Big Demona]

I know. That's why me and Joe talk.

[Joe Button]

Joe literally looked at me, barely ever

[Big Demona]

say yes, and was like, you take pictures with people. And I'm like, every single per. I've missed flights taking pictures with people, and the last time, trains doing. I was in the airport in tears. And this guy walked up to me, man, I know it's a JVP fan, okay? And he woke up mid tears, and he was like, I know you probably don't want to take a picture, but do you want to take a picture? And I took a picture, and he still posted it with the tears.

[Brian]

Wow.

[Big Demona]

People just don't care.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They don't give what you going through, what you do.

[Big Ish]

I don't never say no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But, Jo, walk me through your no. So, cuz.

[Joe Button]

Oh, it's fast.

[Big Ish]

It depend on the day. I ain't Going to hold you.

[Joe Button]

Yo, Mr. BR, I love you so much.

[Big Demona]

I love your stuff. I've been supporting you since pump it Up. Loving hip hop. Every reality television show I watch, I watch every.

[Joe Button]

I'm here by the end of this. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

By the time she get.

[Joe Button]

You're not even standing there by it. And by the time you get this off, cuz. Rule number one is to never remain stationary.

[Brian]

Oh.

[Big Demona]

Always keep moving.

[Joe Button]

I'm never stationary.

[Big Demona]

So you don't just stand and wait

[Joe Button]

for famous people shouldn't be stationary.

[Big Demona]

Oh, I didn't know that. You must know it's not a famous. My uncle that never had a job.

[Big Ish]

All jokes aside, he been doing that for 20 years.

[Big Demona]

What?

[Big Ish]

Before podcast, all of that, I thought it was just cuz was trying to

[Joe Button]

him up a famous person.

[Big Ish]

We used to be walking out the club.

[Joe Button]

That's part of it. Famous person stationary is. Is going to end up being a security risk at some point. That's a good idea. Somebody's plotting on you. Somebody's seen you. Somebody made a phone call. Somebody's telling your friend, somebody's coming up. Now you attracting a crowd. It's just too much. When you. When you move in, then you on your schedule.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you walk into the plane.

[Joe Button]

Joe, nobody's doing that at the private plane.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But you on a regular airport. Yeah. This week when you fly, Joe, it's for my dying cousin. Let me get a flick.

[Joe Button]

No, just like that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Just No.

[Joe Button]

I don't buy that shit.

[Big Demona]

Joe, let me get a flick.

[Joe Button]

My dying cousin. You say Joe button pants, you say, did he buy the album?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How big does he need to pick?

[Joe Button]

If he's not, do we got the vinyl.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, but when you say no, if it turns into a full bag session from a man like, come on, bro, I love you, bro. I'm sorry. It's still flat now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It probably makes it worse.

[Big Ish]

I've seen him be like, nah, not today. My nigga ain't really in the mood. But most times he'll be like, no, you just.

[Joe Button]

The yes. The yes should be if I say yes, it's the courtesy. It's cause it's a special situation. Or if I say no to somebody, I'll probably always say no just off the reaction. But if you still sitting there and I catch you and we could sneak and do it, I'll do it. I will take a pick. But I'm not taking all picks, cuz. And. And there's when you famous. No such thing as one pick.

[Big Demona]

No, it's not.

[Joe Button]

There's no such thing as one pick.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Then you're an asshole.

[Joe Button]

You stand still and you take one pick. And now there's a line because now when you do that, the people that had no idea who you are

[Big Ish]

even there.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, a person will tell you. I've had people tell me, I don't know you. But everybody else, like, they'll say it.

[Joe Button]

And if you stand there long enough, one. Nobody knows how to get their camera, microphone. Nobody knows how to just take a quick picture. Other day at the Nick game when I'm outside, young out there. Oh, OG Unc, whatever they call yo, let me get a picture. They young, so it could be a tussle. So I tell them, yeah, listen to the honesty. But they standing still. They waiting for me to stop. Oh, I'm not stopping right. I'm walking. And if you want a picture, then come take it. He was trying to walk with me. He can't get to his. He bobbling it. His friends is like, yo, what the are you doing? I'm like, yo, you done get the Away from. So his friend took it, he came, he did it. But it gotta be, like, a thing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get that.

[Joe Button]

People don't know how to take pictures. What else happens if you take enough pictures standing still? You're gonna get the person that's FaceTiming somebody.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's not gonna be pictures no more. It's gonna be, speak to my cousin. Yeah, can you do a drop? Can you promote my mixtape? Yo, I got a T shirt. No, I hate you. N. Please get away from me.

[Big Demona]

I don't think I hate nobody more. Mona, can I get a drop real quick? I hate them. I hate them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No drops. And I don't. I don't promote people's products. Like, don't. I'm not taking a picture with your book. I'm never doing that because I don't know what's in it. You know? I mean, I don't. I'm not promoting your company because people do this, and then later on book that. That says you should murder. You know what I mean?

[Joe Button]

I tell them that all the time. Yo, can you promote my mixtape? Well, what's on there exactly? I can't promote your mixtape if I never heard it. Right now, I'm just standing with you. That don't make sense.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I never had that. I just get the pictures.

[Joe Button]

We sound like some bougie.

[Big Ish]

Yo, bro, I I. To Mona's point, I feel like that's a privilege, and I feel grateful that somebody likes what you do. Enough to even want to take a picture with you, I think that that's a blessing. So I don't say no.

[Joe Button]

But if you had talent in other areas, you would feel different about that.

[Big Ish]

I do have talent in other areas.

[Joe Button]

Like if people cared about these fancy houses, you be now he kill a house. But the fans don't get fl. The fans don't know. Yo, house builder. Yo. Back to this flying private in Ross. I'm not judging. Actually, wait a second. I was. I took so many private flights straight that when I went to Houston commercial, I forgot how to do it. I don't know if they.

[Big Ish]

No, they changed your passport on you or something.

[Joe Button]

Yo, dog, the driver let me out at what I think is pretty premium. I get out, it gotta be the wrong door.

[Big Ish]

Premiere.

[Joe Button]

Yes, go ahead, Premiere. Something to say Prem. Wherever Prem is. That's where I'm supposed to. That's where I'm supposed to be. I go up to some shit. None of them say premiere. No nothing. Wherever you drop me off. Jamaican talking about I go up to the thing with my bag, thinking I'm somebody with a little first class ticket. You talking about, all right, bag tag. Now we having a face off. What bag tag?

[Big Ish]

And you ignorant too, yo, you really a dick, yo. I ain't going to lie.

[Joe Button]

No, he was a dick. I'm premiere. This is how this goes, buddy. I'm going to give you this bag. You're going to put the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You make sure you work out.

[Big Ish]

You make sure.

[Joe Button]

You make sure it get where the it's supposed to get go. But it didn't go like that this time. So he like, yo, give me the bag tag. I said, yo, no, no, I'm. I'm business class. You supposed to do that. He said, no, you got to go get your bag tag. I said, where's the people that do this? I want to just give it to you and do it. He said, no, we don't do that here. This is bag drop off. I said, okay, so where is first class? He ain't really understanding English. So, yo, you go get the bag,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

T. You got that back tag. Then you.

[Joe Button]

So now I go and get the bag. So now I go get a bag. But when I go get the bag tag, I never got a bag tag unless we was going to Australia. If we was going out of the country, then that's when you go look stupid up there. So I go up there to this thing. They say, yo, give me your passport. No. Like, why do I have to take my passport out the thing? So they say, do you know your confirmation number? Now I gotta search for the confirmation number now I gotta call somebody over there to help me do this here. But I did get the bag and I went over there and I gave it to him.

[Brian]

You just forgot how to fly.

[Joe Button]

You ain't like there's never I'm not supposed to get the bag tag. He's supposed to get the back tag.

[Big Ish]

At premiere at anywhere. No, no, no. At the Premier joint. When you, when you you just get out the cab and they standing right there on the, on the curb. That's the one you're talking about.

[Joe Button]

No, inside. Those are the that want you to tip more than you would normally.

[Big Ish]

Damn, yo.

[Joe Button]

They want you to tip a little more than you would nor you hand number five. They look at you like looking at

[Big Ish]

you like you crazy, bro. So they have the people that on the curb.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Literally, it's a dub minimum. It's a dub minimum you 20 minimum.

[Big Ish]

Yes. They look at you like you crazy for $10. Like yeah, your might your might be a little broke when you get to where you going. Literally. That's that's funny.

[Joe Button]

Or stolen to go in your bag or some yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Anyway, to the that stole your I press charges.

[Joe Button]

Which time? I press charges. That boy good. That boy good. What Mark said, Mona, I went to South Carolina to see my family. I had a Louis Vuitton duffel that I checked. And when I got off the plane in LaGuardia and got to the bag check, the bag never came came.

[Big Demona]

What?

[Joe Button]

Because somebody took the bag. They looked on the camera, Somebody took the bag, stole it. And then I'm looking cuz I got to find my whatever was in there. The my speaker or some whatever was in there. I'm searching. I'm watching that just go up town.

[Big Demona]

Oh my God.

[Joe Button]

I had my favorite clothes. I had some of my favorite in there. So.

[Big Demona]

So yeah, that's the carry on, isn't it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You can carry that on you.

[Joe Button]

You could. Well, I had the large one, so you can't really the biggest. Yeah.

[Big Demona]

Excuse me.

[Joe Button]

Sorry. I mean you should have assumed so.

[Big Demona]

But he's going to jail.

[Joe Button]

He went to jail. He bailed out. What? He went to jail. He bailed out. I don't know if he beat the case or not because I wasn't following up on it.

[Big Demona]

What the makes you see that? God damn it.

[Joe Button]

Really?

[Big Demona]

What makes you see a bag like that? Because it looks like that and take it when you know everybody can see you taking it.

[Joe Button]

Well, that was his thing. He had he had taken a few bags.

[Big Demona]

Oh, that was that. He's a bag.

[Joe Button]

But that's when I learned that you people that have your fancy bags, the people that they think something is in that bag, we taking that back. We like our chances with your. Your Louis Vuitton.

[Brian]

And the bag itself is worth enough

[Big Ish]

for the bag, cuz them shit's high.

[Big Demona]

That's a nice bag.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you get some nice jewelry, something in that bag, it's worth your job.

[Big Demona]

Did you lose. Did you have important things inside?

[Joe Button]

Not really. A couple clothes, a speaker, some headphones. It was a quick trip down south. So, I mean, I ain't packed much, but the. That be putting jewelry in they shit Van Cleese in their fucking like those dudes.

[Big Demona]

That's terrible, Joe.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, it's terrible. I wish I'd have seen him. What you done, huh?

[Big Demona]

You to 40.

[Joe Button]

I'd have beat the brakes off that boy.

[Big Demona]

I like that.

[Joe Button]

I'd have beat the brakes off that boy.

[Big Demona]

I don't like nobody taking.

[Joe Button]

I see you grabbing my bag and then making your way to a taxi. Like, what the are you talking about? Taxi?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Big Demona]

How far apart you think y' all were? Like, did he just leave when he's on the camera? Did you just miss him? Cause most likely he has somebody working with him that works there.

[Joe Button]

You know what the problem is? And I'll say this in closing. The problem is when you have a long walk from your landing gate to baggage claim, and they just. Sometimes they'll throw the bags out quickly. There's no way for you to ever get there, so the thief has some time. I don't think they. It should be like a period to allow you to get to baggage claim before they put the bags out. And that doesn't always happen.

[Brian]

That's why I don't check if I don't have to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate checking. Yeah, I hate checking.

[Joe Button]

But you let throw away some cologne that you thought was the right size or your favorite lotion, you get paranoid about it, right?

[Big Demona]

That's the same.

[Joe Button]

I check a bag just because I don't know the sizes that they allowing through and that they don't allowed through. And I done threw away good with them people that.

[Big Ish]

And then every like, you know, international. Some of these countries be dicks. Like, one time I think I was coming from St. Thomas, and so it's 3 ounces, 3.4 ounces. So most of the colognes fit and coming through there, bro. They only allowed 3.4 ounces. Cumulatively, not per item. My girl Left like mad. Like

[Joe Button]

$70.

[Big Ish]

She was mad as hell. They gave us one plastic thing and said, all your got to fit in this one thing or you got to leave the rest of that. We probably left, like 2, $300 worth of maybe more than that worth of there, because every country's different.

[Big Demona]

So that's why I check bags.

[Big Ish]

Like, that's a good point.

[Big Demona]

Just. I don't want. It's like, TSA is legit. Probably the worst part for me. And they're, like, even coming through with that tummy tuck. Like, you know, you go through the drawing, and if they alert something, you have to get the hand pat down, right? Of course I'm gonna get alert because it's tubes.

[Joe Button]

With a body like that, you gonna get alerts with that body.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you just was on the pod.

[Big Ish]

They thought. They thought you had a. A key on you.

[Big Demona]

I'm like, it's no keys in the back. It's just ass. But no, seriously, when you come through the TSA joint and okay, I'm going to alert because I had drains for like, a week after, so of course I'm alert.

[Joe Button]

They drained ugly out when they shut up, Joey.

[Big Demona]

They did, though. Well, when they. When they do the pat down lady, the lady's like, you know, I have to pat you down. You know how they show you on the thing where they gonna touch you at? And I say to her, listen, I try to get a cheap surgery since I'm keeping real. I'm cut up. You got to be careful. This really manhandled me. Did the real search, and it's painful. She see me wince. It.

[Joe Button]

She's still going horrible.

[Big Demona]

Yeah. And it's so funny. On the next flight, the next person legit, she pat me down, so on camera, like, she did her job. In reality, she never touched me. It's like, that's just like human decency, right? Yeah, but that's the thing about tsa. It's like they're. They're nasty. Like, I don't. I don't run into TSA that are not nasty unless they saying, what's up? I love you on jdp. What's up? Don't call me right, girl.

[Joe Button]

Other than that, get a little more famous.

[Big Demona]

But even that's corny when you think about it. They just nasty. You know what I mean? Like, I got to be famous for you to treat me like a human. It's crazy.

[Brian]

Shout out to all TSA pop fans, man.

[Joe Button]

Y' all be doing Y numbers. Y'. All. Y' all be Looking out

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

since we talking about first world problems. Or maybe this ain't a problem for y', all, but Elon Musk, how we

[Joe Button]

get there from the Rick Ross.

[Brian]

Yeah, we still got Rick Ross.

[Joe Button]

We got Rick Ross music.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, we got Rick Ross music.

[Joe Button]

Okay, we got Rick Ross music. Hold up now, hold up now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, that song is fire.

[Big Ish]

Actually, take it back to what we

[Joe Button]

love it at Mahogany Casket. Brand new Rick Ross featuring T.I. let's go.

[Big Ish]

Yeah. Stefan Diggs.

[Joe Button]

I need another I won't stop spinning go get another brick. She got on my plane to suck another dick I spent a lot on my chain so send a condiment I took all the profits, you keep the compliments even on an empty stomach full of confidence King of the city, let's build a monument her richer than n go read the finer Prince yachts, boats some of N spinning the most you niggas checking in rehab when you're single but slow fat boy baggage ain't rap money I'll make you rap niggas come and rap for me. I love that line.

[Brian]

That's fire.

[Joe Button]

That was a line I would have said on my comeback song. I had you rap niggas come rap for me. That was hard. Ross pop out sometime with a line that like a real rapper would say. He did that. He's smoking.

[Brian]

He's a real rapper.

[Joe Button]

I mean, like a lyrical. Lyrical.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Lyrical.

[Joe Button]

That's what I mean. I ain't trying to disrespect Ross. He's smoking this.

[Big Ish]

And who did this be?

[Joe Button]

I don't. Do we have credits on it?

[Brian]

His name is nephew. I don't.

[Joe Button]

I'm not familiar with name Nephew. This is giving me a few yeah, Arab, this giving me no ID this is giving me what's my man Bangladesh. This is helicopters coming on my deep f know to mumble so no need to speak where the is selling put the kids to sleep no, honestly, now we asking the real now we asking the real where the is selling put the kids to sleep yo, what was going on? Where is y'? All? This so stupid, yo and I'm running with the stack my demeanor, I'm cleaner so the arenas no love on the other side if you Greg Greener get in the booth and team up Cena's

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

temperature, you know I just crank the machina married the game prenup who born

[Joe Button]

to be up since the fetus I kick my feet up dudes paid in full look I can pull the receipt up Me and God team up ain't no way to defeat her you in kahoot with Demon we got the WTO have to do away with whoever follow

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you send you to your mama like

[Joe Button]

your father do Holla dude opportunity knocked

[Big Ish]

out with shopping in Malibu Eating soul

[Joe Button]

food on Lenox Avenue ain't animal cannibal digest nigga and threat dealers making set trippers go fetch niggas like pet Hella

[Big Ish]

cynical Ventripus is clipping my umbilical Identical

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

bullets reach whoever breaches the sentinel Mr.

[Joe Button]

King I never folded.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Never. Team switch don't understand and you don't

[Joe Button]

understand English the five you said double the bit. Do it here we'll take them new veneers his home with us as a

[Brian]

souvenir he smok playing with these ti

[Big Ish]

it's like this like damn e4 for four

[Joe Button]

damn. Them boys is going. Yeah, they rapping. That sounds great too. That beat is crazy. I'm. I'm really looking forward to Ross's project.

[Brian]

Yeah, me too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm looking forward to T T T be fired too.

[Joe Button]

But I just want to see TI Joint and tip TI when you're in New York, come this way man. Or T.I. i want to talk to T.I. he's one of the people I want to talk to. This is crazy. He is on that fly commercial on the song talking about it's only only private jets. Yeah, but I'm not mad at that.

[Brian]

Yeah, you got to live your raps per se.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's just bad timing though.

[Big Demona]

Nobody ever does nobody word.

[Joe Button]

Well yo and whether you fly commercial or private do do depend on the destination. Some places you fly commercial there you can fly commercial. There is no point. You're doing a lot like when I When I go down south to Columbia, South Carolina and Lamb you're not flying a private. You're not taking a private jet. You're being dumb now. Yeah, you gonna look dumb even landing in Columbia, South Carolina. Even though the Trump be doing that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's Trump and he got.

[Joe Button]

That's true. Oh he has to that it's annoying when he do it when he land on then everything shut down. No cars could go on the exit road for an hour. It's just a clusterfuck. Complete clusterfuck. Anyway, shout out to Rick Ross, man. Looking forward to that project. That record is absolutely nuts. Anything else in new music? What else happened?

[Brian]

Not a ton. I got Jesse Reyes new album. It's. It's a lot of breakup songs as you might.

[Joe Button]

Can't wait. Yeah, can't wait. I have yet to hear it but people are telling me it's heat yeah,

[Brian]

some good on there. Money Long's got a record on there. Who the.

[Joe Button]

Can we play that? Yeah, let's play the Money Long record. I want to hear that.

[Big Demona]

I love Money Long.

[Joe Button]

And I love my R B. When you a fresh breakup a nice

[Big Demona]

one,

[Joe Button]

Ain't you tired word leave me alone.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah, ghost me.

[Big Demona]

Humbly don't play yourself to fumble means to play your yourself cuz none of these, none of these, none of these could ever upper echelon I'm the one in charge Hearing Money Long, you do what you want want to sleep, want to see want to say B I dare you for baby hey. Everything you've ever wanted I got it and everything you got what I need everybody been don't fight angel tired of searching for someone like tired of resisting what's meant to be love, love. I wonder if she knows you think of me when you're with her in the she baby, I wish you.

[Joe Button]

Let's go, Money. All right, all right, I got it. I see where they going with that one.

[Brian]

Yeah, whole album is a bunch of breakup songs.

[Joe Button]

I love that. Hey, whoever broke Jesse Reyes heart time

[Brian]

and time again, you did it for the culture, yo.

[Joe Button]

And I love when when she called her good homegirl over Money Long that also been getting broken up with for mad times. And they fucking shit on somebody on the same song. That's great.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Shit. While we on it, my girl, one of my favorite artists in the world. Hombre. Put out a little breakup record.

[Brian]

Okay?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hold up.

[Joe Button]

Like to hear it here. Go now, please. Let's go. Oh, let's go, let's go. Aubrey, friend of the show. I love you.

[Big Demona]

Ask me if I moved on Hell yeah. And I can't describe what I'm feeling inside but every time you come around me Every time I think about you

[Joe Button]

hey, let's go, let's go.

[Big Demona]

I get chills in the worst way

[Joe Button]

bab every time I come from

[Big Demona]

maybe I don't need closure it's like a itch that I can't scratch you had me up tell me the truth don't

[Joe Button]

really care about you hey I mad I ain't.

[Big Demona]

Wasting my time now that I'm.

[Joe Button]

No, I want to get to the bridge she smoked this bridge. Hold up. Oh, no. Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go. Sa you.

[Big Demona]

Say it's my fault baby try to convince me that he wasn't open

[Joe Button]

it

[Big Demona]

wasn't all bad, all bad, all bad.

[Joe Button]

Brand new ombre man. His record is called Go to Hell.

[Brian]

Sounds great.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love this.

[Joe Button]

That is off of her project that is due out, I want to say, sometime in July. This record is hard.

[Brian]

That's fire.

[Joe Button]

No, that's heat. No, that's absolutely heat. What else? What else? What else? Blast dropped.

[Brian]

Dropped album.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Oh, no.

[Joe Button]

Blast dropped his album. Labor of love. I'm halfway through good vibes on there. Sounds good. Hold on. Let me give him a little something. Let me give him a little something. Take him to the west coast for a minute for my man blast. Friend of the show. Like to hear it. Here go. This record is called something about it. Shout out to the whole west coast. Shout out to blast. Hey, wait a minute. Hey yeah. Don't take life too serious when you gon let it go girl I'm just curious. Curious?

[Big Ish]

You can act rude but I know

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you in a move for something.

[Joe Button]

I was thinking about a road trip.

[Big Ish]

You know that got power, baby we

[Joe Button]

can get ghost sitting low do some. Oh, I put motion over emotions girl I love when we sliding pick me up every time all of a sudden we vibing hey. Even though we fussing we fine we forget every time Wait a minute now outside.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

It's something about this old school girl make the problems go. That record is called something about it. That is blast. That is off of blast. New album, labor of love and your phone and on DSPS right this second. Again, shout out to blast and the whole west coast. Sounds good, man. Sounds good. Is there anything else in new music that needs our attention? Come on.

[Brian]

Olivia Rodrigo dropped one of my favorite pop artists. It listen to it and it's entire. It's a little more uptempo.

[Joe Button]

Don't with that.

[Brian]

I like her.

[Big Demona]

I was curious why we was talking

[Joe Button]

about papa beer while we talking about papa Beer.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Brian]

I like pop so much.

[Joe Button]

The producer, Papa beer with Parks.

[Brian]

Pop.

[Big Demona]

He said pop. Pop.

[Brian]

Olivia Rodrigo.

[Joe Button]

Oh, pop music. Got it, got it, got it.

[Brian]

I can't wait. Wait to listen to it. I haven't finished.

[Joe Button]

Parks like them pop sometimes.

[Big Ish]

Sometimes, Sometimes they be fire you be

[Big Demona]

in the house listening to.

[Joe Button]

We know you like sometimes that you. We already know about.

[Big Demona]

You like pop. Like trl. TRL days. Remember Carson dy? That's my I with pop back then.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Big Demona]

What's so funny?

[Joe Button]

Go ahead. What about him?

[Brian]

I'm done. I'm done. I haven't listened the whole album. I haven't listen.

[Joe Button]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. All right. That's what we have in music. Let's see, what else, what else? What else? What else?

[Big Demona]

What else?

[Big Ish]

Mona, you know my man is on you, right?

[Joe Button]

That's Imani in the building. Big Imani. Whatever you big.

[Big Demona]

Yo, yo, the one I asked you about.

[Big Ish]

Yes. Yes.

[Big Demona]

Instagram.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Big Demona]

He.

[Joe Button]

He hit me back.

[Big Ish]

Cause he ain't really know. He ain't really aware of who you were and all that, but I just saw.

[Big Demona]

I love that. He didn't know who I was.

[Big Ish]

Nah.

[Big Demona]

So he don't have an Instagram or nothing.

[Big Ish]

He do, but he ain't really.

[Joe Button]

He.

[Big Demona]

He don't post.

[Big Ish]

He. He have a. He have another life.

[Big Demona]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, oh, you got a girl. I know what that means.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yeah, he has another life.

[Big Demona]

I thought that meant bricks, but that

[Joe Button]

ain't gonna stop you. You ain't no girls, girl. You them first of all.

[Big Demona]

Shut up.

[Joe Button]

You a girl's girl.

[Big Demona]

Any women that call themselves girls? Girls are horrible people, so I'm not gonna.

[Joe Button]

I don't see that. That got a girl.

[Big Demona]

No.

[Joe Button]

Oh, she don't rock like that, y'.

[Big Demona]

All. I don't. The real reason why I don't do the side is because I'm so, like, spoiled. Like, I. I can't deal with it. I can't play second at a certain time, and I can't. I don't get no problem with, like.

[Joe Button]

I love when they say playing second,

[Big Demona]

but I can't call you. I can't say certain to you. I bump into you with a. I'm supposed to not say nothing. Like, I ain't do. I've done. I've been a side in my 20s,

[Joe Button]

but, like, oh, no, you're not gonna bump into us. Oh, boy. Oh, please. Oh, she did the.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We don't even hang out in the same.

[Joe Button]

Hey, she did the beginner level. Sorry. Been. You're never going to see us.

[Big Demona]

Trust, trust. It don't matter.

[Big Ish]

Yo, but even if you saw, have you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Have you.

[Big Ish]

Have you been around?

[Joe Button]

Look at the pro. Look at the expert.

[Big Ish]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

Look at my man.

[Big Ish]

I'm getting information.

[Joe Button]

You got all the information. When you FaceTime at 11pm Talk, talking about. Yo, you got topics. From the side after midnight. Yo, Mona, what's up? You ready for tomorrow? We got work. You don't get off the phone if he don't stop FaceTiming. Mona.

[Big Ish]

Yo, so when you seen the nigga with his mane work and you was the side.

[Joe Button]

What happened? Mane was looking right that day, and you had this head.

[Big Demona]

That's never happened to me, but just period. Bitch, call me, approach me or whatever, I hold it down, like, lie and all that. Like, even if it's like a thing, like, if I knew, I'mma act like I don't know you. Even sometimes if I'm surprised about. Because that shit turned into some old other shit. A woman call you, I want to come at you like a woman or whatever they say, talking, whatever. It's never enough. Whatever you tell her give her is never enough. So then now you got this enemy because she watching you. She. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's like you keep with the nigga after that.

[Big Demona]

What when.

[Joe Button]

Like, if.

[Big Ish]

If the main girl approach you, do you just cut it short from there or you just keep fucking with him,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

even if you still hold it down.

[Big Demona]

It depends. The time I remember the most is I found out this guy was fucking with. Had a wife. And I stopped fucking with him because I was so shocked. Like, I didn't know. You know what I mean?

[Big Ish]

You ain't know he was involved at all?

[Big Demona]

I ain't know nothing. Yeah, and it was my first time dating an older guy. He was like 45, 50. I was like 21.

[Joe Button]

I was a kid. Then the start. Then the main start checking your page.

[Big Demona]

No, that's before Pages was out. In fact, the main. The main was a lady named Bones from Beirut. And she said she was gonna pop me. That's what she said. I'mma shoot you when I find you.

[Joe Button]

The Main starts stalking your page. But the first joint she see is the comedy joints. Like, look. Oh, I got it. Light work. Oh, I got this. Damn right. Mind you, how can I be the got?

[Big Demona]

How can I be the side? I got this recognizable voice. Won't know who you cheating, would just hear my voice. I'm in the background, anything like that, I'm just not with it. I know me. And I want to avoid me losing my temper and beating somebody up or doing something to somebody. So why you mean when I know might not Never fought, never do anything. No gangster let you her in. And now she this super gangster spy, hiding from the apartment, jumping out of doors and shit like a ninja.

[Joe Button]

So let me tell you something. If you see Mona, if she see y' all and you out with your. Your main girl and she on her way to a comedy show, your main girl better go get in the car. Mona have that on if she going to a comedy show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Laughing right at the boy.

[Joe Button]

If they booked Mona and she see y' all out, boy your better hide in the closet, nigga. Mona got that on if she has a show that day.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mona, if you're if Imani man don't work out, I'mma my barber been trying to holl at you for a minute. I'm telling you, you got a good job. He own the shop. Oh, you own the shop. What part of the city Shopping he in?

[Big Ish]

In the bougie part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He in the bougie part.

[Joe Button]

What?

[Big Demona]

He downtown.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He in Jersey.

[Joe Button]

In Jersey.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He in the rich part of Jersey.

[Big Demona]

Is he from Jersey?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

You don't want Mark? You don't want Mark.

[Big Demona]

I like Jersey.

[Big Ish]

Look at Mark L. My man from Atlanta.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I don't know.

[Big Demona]

I don't care where he from. I see him.

[Joe Button]

Look at Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was leaving at the Rim.

[Joe Button]

Yo. You did they won't they trying to step on. I'm trying to kill you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm trying to kill in the race.

[Joe Button]

She won't let me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute.

[Big Demona]

Wait what?

[Big Ish]

I heard.

[Big Demona]

I heard who you was talking about. You one of your rapper rich friends?

[Joe Button]

Who me? No, none of my friends want you. No, nobody.

[Big Demona]

The real joke in that is that he doesn't have friends.

[Joe Button]

Got you. I told y' all about them elevators. Elevator Roger. I'll be talking.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He think we be talking about him in elevator on the way.

[Big Ish]

You a narcissist.

[Joe Button]

I'm not a narcissist.

[Big Ish]

Nobody talks about you on the elevator. No, we don't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think. You think really talk about you?

[Joe Button]

No, I don't think a thing. I don't even. I don't think a thing.

[Brian]

You know.

[Joe Button]

Yes, you have gotten in that elevator and spoke about Joseph Anthony Button Jr. On the way down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Excuse me.

[Joe Button]

I got it. Circle of trust.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get.

[Joe Button]

I understand the blue. The blue wall.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I understand you serious.

[Joe Button]

There's a camaraderie. I'm dead.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I swear to God.

[Big Demona]

And he wrong.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This the thing he mean.

[Joe Button]

I swear to God.

[Big Demona]

Me and you for a fact have never had a conversation like that. Most of y' all never had a conversation like that with me. But when I talk about Joe Button, it's not in the elevator. I'm not stupid. I get in the car, I got a whole two hour ride. I dog this on that ride. By the time I get to the second rush spot, my mouth white all up in here.

[Joe Button]

I'm ass don't button.

[Big Ish]

That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

You think that that's not crazy at all. Actually working here and working with y' all has taught me exactly that. That's not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You really hurt.

[Joe Button]

You still hurt over that. I'm not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's not what happened over that old. But what happened what happened?

[Joe Button]

I don't even know, Old Cash.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You really still heard over that?

[Joe Button]

Oh, they didn't. There wasn't an elevator there. They did that right in Park's room. They did that right in Park's room. Kick my back in. You getting. Y' all got privilege. Y' all do it in elevator. Elevator.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Nah, Joe.

[Joe Button]

I'mma keep it up in front of the building. Y' all do it walking the Porsche parking lot. Meeting in front of a bins.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If niggas did. Niggas might just wait and hold it for here for Patreon. And just talking to him, like, in front of your face.

[Joe Button]

That happens, too, sometimes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That happens more than for me. It happened all the time.

[Joe Button]

So you agree with me?

[Big Demona]

You don't know that people talking about.

[Joe Button]

So you agree with me?

[Big Ish]

I said if it happens, it's gonna happen here in front of your face.

[Joe Button]

You niggas talk about me? Oh, you. Oh, that's nasty. If y' all say y' all don't, that's peace. I don't believe that.

[Big Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

I'm not saying y' all are lying. Okay? But I don't believe something different that.

[Big Ish]

Okay.

[Joe Button]

You be on.

[Big Ish]

You want to be like you, boy.

[Big Demona]

I talk about them.

[Joe Button]

How does being like me. How does being like me.

[Big Demona]

What you talk about them even mean? If we. If we.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, on some real that you and Mark did on the rewind.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, we did it on camera, though. That ain't kicking your back in.

[Joe Button]

It sounded rehearsed. It sounded like it was practice. It sounded like there was some practice. Practice involved in that.

[Big Ish]

You good practice. No, not practice.

[Big Demona]

I promise you. I don't. I don't even pray.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm so offended that you think that, man. You really think that.

[Big Ish]

That's crazy.

[Big Demona]

I'm not. And the fact that you offended pisses me off.

[Joe Button]

If y' all knew everything, I thought y' all would be mad offended.

[Big Ish]

No, I wouldn't, bro.

[Big Demona]

I believe that.

[Big Ish]

I. I believe.

[Big Demona]

Yes. He think we pieces of you.

[Joe Button]

You do believe me that I would

[Big Demona]

actually usually do something in here and get to a situation where it's like, I would leave here and be like. Like, switch up, act like something happened, you know?

[Big Ish]

No, I don't think you would because you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You've.

[Big Ish]

You've held down. You wouldn't do that before. I've seen it. That's been your track record the whole day, bro.

[Big Demona]

Anything like. Anything.

[Big Ish]

Even if it happened, you wouldn't do anything.

[Joe Button]

Let me ask y' all a question. Cause Mona might be making Sense. And y' all might believe this stupid shit. She talking about how when y' all profile people, how much of a part does their career play in your success assessment?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What do you mean by profile?

[Big Ish]

Very little.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't understand.

[Big Ish]

Very little.

[Joe Button]

Like, if you would have, if we, if we're pro, like Mona just said all that shit and it could have came from like, the bottom of her heart. I'd stop listening at the first word and dismiss all of it a lot. In part because she's a comedian.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, like that.

[Big Demona]

Oh.

[Joe Button]

And I believe that comedians by nature switch up in front of whoever the fuck they're in front of because they're coming comedian.

[Big Demona]

That's a fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, yeah. I would say so.

[Joe Button]

And I always say I'm fake too, but on some podcast. So if you profiling Joe and you say podcaster, you should take into account I'm phony. So that's what I was asking y'. All. But we can move on, cuz you

[Big Demona]

offended the whole room. Anyway, what I was trying to say was is that before I would something happens in here and I take it outside of here, handle it. I will come up here and fight with y'.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

All.

[Big Demona]

No. Or at least step to you like. And I wouldn't call first because people really different on the phone and different on the camera. I would come up here and I

[Joe Button]

would do something for real listening to that. Like, I can see that that's a fact.

[Big Demona]

That's bad.

[Joe Button]

Yo use yo now that you say it. And I have such a powerful imagination.

[Big Demona]

I believe you sneaker Corny.

[Joe Button]

I would.

[Big Demona]

But I would, I would appreciate that. Over somebody going to court on you doing some extra or going to a block or a gossip site or any of that.

[Joe Button]

These was fighting in front of the concierge. They wasn't even. I kill you.

[Big Demona]

I kill y' all too. I'mma have to come out with that one day, cuz. This keep playing around.

[Big Ish]

Anytime I had a problem with somebody up here, I came on air and did it. Or I came behind the scenes to their face and did it. I a sit and call.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you know what I meant to ask you because I was home thinking about you for a minute, I wanted to ask you this. Now that you have a Patreon, I promise audience, we get into topics. But now that you have a Patreon, do you ever regret not punching somebody in the face on your. Yes, I thought about that recently.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's really how you think I I,

[Joe Button]

I thought why would you not think

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

the fun, the funny because he didn't punch somebody understand the algorithm?

[Joe Button]

No, but he did that already. But he didn't have a Patreon. If that would have been patreon and has more of an understanding of how works.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, well, there's always tomorrow.

[Big Ish]

You a number hoe a little bit

[Joe Button]

now checks to do that to you. Money change you. Yo, maybe it's street thing. Money ain't change, y'.

[Big Demona]

All. No, no, we ain't getting enough.

[Big Ish]

I ain't got no.

[Big Demona]

If the money don't change, you ain't getting enough. At the end of the day, maybe it's a street thing, but to me, that's like telling like what happens between us is between us. Even when we do off like shit that's off camera, we kind of play with it on camera. I don't like that or respect that from none of you.

[Joe Button]

Weird. But with him, it's weird as he

[Big Ish]

punch a on camera.

[Big Demona]

I know his story. I'm more refer to the original thing about he don't believe what I just said about I wouldn't do that. I don't even do that. I had to follow y' all on that, cuz I don't believe in that. Everything off camera, this is. This is entertainment for the people. Everything off camera is all real life, y'. All. My we ain't going to do that. Y' all do that. All y' all do that.

[Big Ish]

So we going to go to dinner. Everybody going to go to dinner, y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Big Demona]

Who pay you straight? The bride jets who pan come on topic, let's go.

[Joe Button]

So breakup etiquette.

[Big Ish]

Okay, I'm listening, cuz. That's right next to bday party. I'm confused.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, you wasn't here, man. Wasn't here. Okay, you know why I don't with my girl?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This why.

[Joe Button]

This why I don't with her. And this is me talking too much again. Anybody that's having a birthday party or a birthday dinner or a birthday shindig or a birthday anything or anything that somebody we know is inviting us to, they send it to her smart. So now I gotta go.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

The people that know me and love me know that I'm not coming to your shit. Yeah, like you gotta tell me, yo, you better be at the jail probably. Nigga, I will not talk to you.

[Big Ish]

That's how I my girl.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, but if they tell her and send the flyer. I never got a flyer from Parks.

[Brian]

I'll forget too.

[Joe Button]

But Park's my man. That's why I bring it up. Rim sends the flyer to her. And now you know to go hate that shit. But anyway, so my good home girl was having a birthday party. She sent the flyer. My girl. So my girl. Of course, the party is two days after the Nick game. Oh, my girl made at an event. Oh, we called it a game. We going to a party. We going to. We call it. Hey, we out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We out.

[Joe Button]

All right, good. Dope. I'm going. It's black tie. It's black tie. Speaking of, I have to go buy another black suit.

[Big Ish]

Suit or tux?

[Joe Button]

Suit. I need to go buy another black suit. Too many people is popping up with these black ties. I done been to the last five black ties in this suit. It's the same suit.

[Brian]

I mean, that's not the worst, though.

[Big Ish]

It ain't the worst. Because a black suit. Black suit kind of people won't know. You going to have to get a

[Joe Button]

whole different Dior on it. Like, you could tell.

[Brian]

Oh, if you got some, you got some on it.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. It says on a lapel like it's a thing. Like, you done been. You should get a PL.1 for the last few years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got to definitely get a.

[Joe Button]

But I have more black suits. But they don't fit anymore.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Little baggy on.

[Joe Button]

Hello, Hello.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey.

[Joe Button]

I got more I could put on. Guess what audience. They don't fit.

[Big Ish]

But that's good. When you got smaller, you could take Armani.

[Joe Button]

I'm a bitch. I am.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

But anyway, so we go to my homegirl's birthday party. I didn't take them to the jail. I'm talking shit right now. So. So we go to my homegirl's birthday party. My homegirl, who's been in a relationship for a little while. And I want to say this as respectfully as possible because I respect their relationship. Right? Like, they. They cool. Cool. Shut up, Parks. Like, they cool. Homeboy always been cool with me. I ain't got no beef with them. Like, this is my friend. I like that. Y' all are. Love, love, love, black love, all that. I support that. I support them. Hey, this the. That's making my friend happy. I'm happy. Like, when girls be happy in love, it'd be od. My man, my man, my man. It'd be at 20 million stores. I'm talking about my friend that shall remain anonymous. But you know what I'm talking about. It's. No, I'm talking. Talking about people here know what I'm talking about. Anyway, she had a birthday party. Yes. And a man wasn't there, so they

[Big Demona]

must have broke Up.

[Big Ish]

It's not true. Maybe, maybe got caught up with something.

[Big Demona]

Not birthday meaning.

[Brian]

Nah, you're not missing your girl's birthday.

[Big Ish]

You ain't if you ain't in the service and out the country on.

[Brian]

Yeah, even then you might got still figure it out.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

You got to be in wartime in the service.

[Big Demona]

Yeah. Don't play about that birthday.

[Joe Button]

She had a birthday party, black tie and her man wasn't there. I got there after the game. This is after game four.

[Big Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

So New York City's on absolute fire. They on bullshit. It's ambulance, it's fire trucks. We can't. It's taking longer to go because the Knick fans are on 7th Ave. They not letting the cars go. Got a fucking suit. I could have killed these fans. But I feel them though. But I feel the fans. So anyway, so we, so we go to the party. I'm there a little early. Early is one. If the game just ended. This is one of them parties where crowd will be there about 2:30. 2:30. But when I got there, it was enough crowd for me to understand what was about to go on. Yeah. And my homegirl wasn't there yet. I asked entrance, I asked her what time you going to get it? She said one the latest. It's 1:45. My home girl is not there. You grab this.

[Brian]

It's her birth.

[Joe Button]

So I'm in there and I got a section and I'm with my girl Clue's daughter. Shout out to her. Absolutely love Clue's daughter. I can't believe I'm old enough to be saying you're a part of the

[Big Ish]

I'm in a night event with Clue's daughter.

[Joe Button]

I love Clue's daughter. I love my friend's daughter. I love skein daughter. I love people's kids, my friend's kids, I love them. So when they out they 20, 23, 24. Anyway, clue's daughter, her friends, it's the time time. It's right after the game. Right across from me is Clee Anthony early. I shed a tear. Now I start crying in here because I just watched this emotional ass Knicks comeback. I've been there for all the misery days of the Knicks. And now at my friend's birthday party, I'm looking at the nigga who through the rebuild years who was on the same shit that I was on. Yo, let's run a strip club real quick. And you run into the horror story of getting robbed, getting shot. I'm boohooing in here looking at this nigga. But Nixon 5. It's my line tonight. Nixon 5. What up, nigga? Yeah, what's up? We that. Nixon 5. Anyway, I'm chilling. Mind my business. Think the next thing I seen was, like, John Wall. I ain't seen John Wall in a while.

[Big Ish]

It's a noise.

[Joe Button]

I seen John Wall. And we get to chiming it up. Hey, Nick said, hey, could you believe de' Aaron Fox?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hey, motherfucker, we get the chance it

[Joe Button]

up, and then when we finish it, he walk away. I said, oh, my.

[Big Ish]

A light bulb.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know what the. You know what the night is?

[Joe Button]

Y. I ain't seen John Ball in so many years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Tom Clancy.

[Joe Button]

Then John Wall walked away, went on about his business. Lance Stevenson walked up. We start talking basketball. I'm the Knicks 1. Nixon 5. Hey, we chopping it up. Hey, could you believe that, OG Blah. OG we crazy. Yeah. Lance Stevenson walk away. I say to myself, oh,

[Big Ish]

boy.

[Joe Button]

Yo, you the best. Oh, buddy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Born supremacy,

[Joe Button]

dog. No, the fans ain't understanding me out there. John Wick, John Wick, John Wick. Jon Snow. The is you. Hey, hey. You better be alert, you in here. When you in here with your girl, you better wake up, boy. It ain't one of them type of night. I look across, it's Partisan Fontaine. Got a leather bike, a vest, black suits. What up, Joe? Hey, Nick said fire. We get to talking. I walk away. I say, oh, now, Trey songs walk in the dj, killing it, Mind you. I only play at the Beat here. Maybe an hour, hour and a half. I don't plan on being here long. I just want to come. I don't want my friend to curse me out. I want to come. But as I'm there, the DJ jamming so much that playing Pretty Ricky set the B sides. The other you know who he is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Salute.

[Joe Button]

He be killing. Yes, sir. New ticks on the ride. Yes, sir. What? You can't leave now. Yeah, my body, my body with that. And when I tell. Tell you, it's ass everywhere. Hey, what time. What time you leave? I know. My girl was like, yo, how much pineapple juice does he need to go? Let me tell you something, boy.

[Big Ish]

They forgot the cranberry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm gonna go get it myself.

[Joe Button]

Yo, yo, my girl. Cause she ain't no dummy. I said, yo, this way. Waitress is taking forever. Oh, my God, baby. I think I'm gonna have to walk to the. I'll just go to the bar. Yeah, This nigga's an idiot. Y' all know what I'm talking about. Not me.

[Big Ish]

I don't Know what you talking about.

[Joe Button]

All right. Oh, my God.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Button]

Since you don't know what I'm talking about. Yes, sir.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was stars in there.

[Joe Button]

It was so much ass in there. When I pulled my camera phone out, I did panorama.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Scan, that whole up in case you need to.

[Brian]

Jesse.

[Joe Button]

Here you go. Right here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Try to do that stupid dance when

[Joe Button]

they with that girl, too. I don't know.

[Big Ish]

You gotta do the mouth, yo.

[Joe Button]

Nah. And at the Black Affair today, these don't know how to really dress for the. For the Black Affair. So they just show him body.

[Big Ish]

They just naked.

[Joe Button]

They just naked and they just showing body. That's not black tie at all.

[Brian]

Complaining.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, and at all. I mean, my girl, she's like, oh, they do not know how to dress in a black. So I was like, for real, baby.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right?

[Joe Button]

Honestly, look at her. Look at her.

[Big Ish]

She just got her whole

[Joe Button]

tasteless.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, tasteless.

[Joe Button]

She is without tact, yo. Everywhere you looked, it was something in there.

[Big Ish]

Rib cage showing with the tats, right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was nice.

[Joe Button]

But you know the girl we talking about, so she gonna have Mouth, she gonna have the girls out, and she gonna have the niggas out. And then she walking grand entrance, 215 dressed, looking amazing, skin glowing. I don't know what type of shimmy shingle shit she put on her body, but she walked in there looking like a million bucks by herself.

[Big Demona]

Mm.

[Joe Button]

So when she came over to me to say hey, I said, hey, happy birthday. I love you so much, Messy Joe.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Messy.

[Big Demona]

Hey, why where your.

[Big Ish]

Why would you do that?

[Joe Button]

Cuz they wanted a my man, my man, my man couple. So it looks odd you coming in your birthday party looking like this by yourself.

[Big Demona]

But did you think that's why you

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

got to be careful?

[Big Demona]

Or you just thought he wasn't?

[Joe Button]

I didn't know. He could have been parking. He could have been coming later. I had no idea. But the way your entrance looked with the paparazzi and with this crowd and Bill you looking to. Yeah, hey, where is him? And she told me, I won't tell the audience what you said, but he wasn't coming. Tell me he wasn't coming. I'll tell you later. But he wasn't coming. So for the rest of the night now, I'm watching my friend on her birthday in bliss, surrounded by all of these people that love her, all her friends, gorgeous women. Women. Great looking guys. It's a beautiful, beautiful affair. DJs going crazy. All black, everybody looking good. And I'm like, I think homeboy made a crucial Mistake. Babaaga. I think, homeboy, I don't know what's going on. It's not my business. Again, as a couple, they've always. He's always been extremely respectful. Me, I have nothing negative to say about him. But what I can say, say is that was a crucial mistake.

[Brian]

Timing might have been bad.

[Joe Button]

So that made me think, right? If you in a breakup or if you in an argument or if you in something that just is fresh with your girl, but y' all plant something. So it's your birthday tomorrow. It's her birthday tomorrow. It's our vacation tomorrow. It's whatever y' all planned a couple of months ago, and it's tomorrow. But the. The.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The fight is fresh.

[Brian]

You going to the birthday they need.

[Joe Button]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Saying I agree. You and your partner have to have some type of. Some. Some principles that take place even through tumultuous times, is what I'm saying.

[Big Ish]

I agree. I'm. I'm in agreement. And I think it's up to you

[Joe Button]

to fix if we fought the day before or if we broke up the day before. And your party is tomorrow. Your birthday party, where I know you about to look like a million million bucks. You about to put on this beautiful red dress and the. To make your skin look like that. And. And you about to go to the special hairdresser and the special makeup lady. You ain't going to the Mac at the mall. You going to the. That know how to beat you. Coming in and looking like something. And Nick all day on the story is. Oh, thank you so much to my friends who moved their schedules around, didn't go to the game. Thank you to my athlete friend who decided to miss the finals. What?

[Big Ish]

I'm still. I'm showing up. You ain't go to St. Barts for me.

[Brian]

Even if it's her fault.

[Big Ish]

I'm showing up for Luo.

[Joe Button]

Me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause it's your birthday.

[Big Ish]

I'm making it right.

[Joe Button]

Oh, yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do it matter what the breakup is for or what the fight is about?

[Big Ish]

It matters because not.

[Joe Button]

Not for me. Not when it's fresh. Because if it's not fresh, then everything I'm saying doesn't apply.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm talking about fresh.

[Big Ish]

So, for example, it gotta be something egregious, though.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Like. Like if you're caught cheating. If I caught you cheating. Cheating the day before.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

You gotta stay home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Next day. I'm staying home.

[Big Ish]

You gotta stay home.

[Joe Button]

Can't stay home. You have to.

[Brian]

You might say home on the cheat.

[Joe Button]

No, no, I'm not staying. If I caught you cheating is the Super Bowl. I'm not staying home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, that's your safety.

[Big Ish]

That's selfish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm being selfish. It's their birthday. I'm not being selfish. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm saying if I caught her cheating, she not nobody the next day at the party.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Listen what I'm saying. Listen what I'm saying. I'm showing after the party. I'm making sure she don't leave with nobody, Right? But I'm not showing up to the party. I'm not following around all day. I'm not playing like plus one when I caught you cheating. What if she caught Choo cheating? If she catch me cheating, I'm showing up to the party early and I'm going everywhere. I'm the best. I'm gonna be the best plus one.

[Big Ish]

She fucking up her birthday, though, yo.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't. Let me return to point one. She caught you cheating. I'm being selfish.

[Joe Button]

I get it.

[Big Ish]

If she caught you cheating, you gotta go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You gotta go.

[Big Ish]

Yes, if I caught. But this is you. I'm agreeing with you, but I don't agree with the reasoning. You said if she caught you. I mean, if you caught her cheating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, it's gonna go.

[Big Ish]

But that's gonna be long dick Johnny's time to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But if she got caught cheating with long dick Johnny. Long dick Johnny ain't showing up to the party.

[Big Ish]

Yes, he is.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, he not. Not if we still together. If I catch you cheating. Ish. If you get caught cheating, you not bringing the joint you got caught cheating with to the party. She not coming to the party the next day. That's what I'm saying. I understand. You ain't gonna her again. I'm saying she ain't coming to the party.

[Joe Button]

She ain't gonna bring her to his party.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you think. Of course you think.

[Big Ish]

Fresh off a breakup,

[Joe Button]

you can't fool, you can't trick up. No, you can't trip up my man, my man ain't close.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you think.

[Big Ish]

Fresh off a breakup and your. Let's just say your woman loves you, she love you down, she really hurt. But she gotta go out here, she gotta put. Put face. Gotta go celebrate her birthday. If she really fuck with you, you think fresh off a cheat, she gonna go out there and just. Just next big dick Johnny that night she got caught cheating with Johnny.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm not. No, I'm saying you. Let's just say you did the cheat.

[Big Ish]

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we talking about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

My answer's yes.

[Joe Button]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If I got caught cheating or if

[Big Ish]

I got caught cheating. I'm coming in.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

She's looking for Johnny.

[Big Ish]

I'm coming in with 7,000.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It could be medium dick Johnny. She gonna find it. She gonna. She might wanna get back. So you gonna be at the party early. I think that woman.

[Joe Button]

This is where women are tricky. And I'm about to say something that's gonna sound so tight, toxic, so horrible, but I believe it. Women are tricky because in a vulnerable state they'll.

[Big Ish]

Johnny might have before she walked the

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

door in a vul.

[Joe Button]

In a vulnerable state, your woman would be susceptible to things that she normally is not. And that's your doing, right? Therapist always said if you want a happy woman and that's totally up to you to you are responsible for that happiness. If you want to act a certain way, behave a certain way, then you make your lady happy in a different state at her birthday party while you was on bullshit. No, they might not be a negative that she's. She's a respectable lady and she is not gonna fuck this night night. Right.

[Big Ish]

However a could plant the seed.

[Joe Button]

But that means.

[Big Ish]

But some of these, you know, that also means that's when I'm gonna be

[Joe Button]

and that's why I'm in there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that means your lady.

[Big Ish]

Your lady at some point was either continuously entertaining an idea of that person because typically in that situation, if your lady's that hurt before she go ahead and just entertain another. She gonna go home either crying or crying to her homegirls or shit on the wall. In an ideal world, those two extreme.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's one of the other. I'm saying.

[Big Ish]

So if you are dealing with a type of chick that would be susceptible to that and that one night it's most likely that she been having that thought.

[Joe Button]

Even those girls get to the limit where they throw on that Mary not gonna cry once they stop crying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. No, that Mary family affair

[Big Demona]

is to be happy.

[Big Ish]

That nigga in there with that suit tight as can be that can't breathe.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. And then that macho. That macho don't work the same when they super done. And that's how you know they super done. Cause you like hey, where the you going at?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wherever the I want.

[Joe Button]

She serious?

[Big Ish]

No, no, no.

[Joe Button]

She done.

[Big Ish]

They don't even.

[Joe Button]

They don't scream back word.

[Big Ish]

Screaming back means. Listen, I'm not doing this right now with you.

[Big Demona]

O.

[Big Ish]

That gave Me chills not doing this with you.

[Joe Button]

That's it. That's when you got to extend your membership on the. On the stalking app. Yeah, that's when you got to. Yo, give me six more months to the tracking app.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stalking.

[Joe Button]

I'mma need this. Hey, send me a new one. Got to recharge.

[Big Ish]

What's an app for tracking people.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I heard

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

y'. All. Y' all done stalk somebody followed. I ain't never stalked, but I have followed. I followed somebody.

[Joe Button]

Amani, you Puerto Rican, y' all stalker by nature. Ish. You stalk. Cause you called me one time. I seen.

[Big Ish]

Yo, you gotta stop doing this live, bro. This thing is crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, you never. You never. Yeah, decades ago. This probably sent somebody you hit in

[Big Ish]

the bushes or some decades ago.

[Joe Button]

One decade.

[Big Ish]

No, you're wrong. Decades.

[Joe Button]

So then I'm lying. Yeah, he's lying.

[Big Ish]

Decades.

[Joe Button]

About four years ago. Decade.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Half a decade, definitely. You stalk somebody before Rona.

[Big Demona]

I'm sitting here wrecking my brain like, yes, you have.

[Joe Button]

Yes, you have.

[Big Demona]

What's talking somebody?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love you.

[Big Demona]

You know what?

[Brian]

Ir.

[Big Demona]

When y' all think y'.

[Joe Button]

All.

[Big Demona]

Y. Act like y' all know I know you. Like, y' all don't even know me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I love you. I love you. But, like, nothing about you says that you haven't stalked.

[Big Ish]

That's true.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, sorry.

[Big Demona]

Yeah. I don't care if nothing about me has said stalk, but I'm literally. If you. That's what made you ask me. Cuz I'm literally sitting here record. I ain't trying to think if I was stalking anybody that's following somebody. Like. Like watching

[Brian]

pop up somewhere.

[Big Demona]

Like, I'm thinking I had to do something. Like, I don't.

[Big Ish]

You've never driven by a crib on a late night or popped up in their job?

[Big Demona]

Listen, let me. Let me. I'm to say two things. Number one, I've never been cheated on. Like, I think I probably maybe once. I've never been cheated on. And then people like to go to argument. How do you know if I've never been cheated on? And then this is why. This is why Mark is dumb.

[Brian]

I think we all got to pee.

[Big Demona]

If I've never been cheated on, I don't just shut the up. I ain't playing with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go ahead.

[Big Demona]

Would play with me like that. I. At the end of the day, if I never been cheated on and I didn't have a reason for thinking he cheating, he didn't cheat. I'll say that. And people go, yeah, right.

[Joe Button]

Well, what is he Gay.

[Big Demona]

Well, he did. If I don't have any inkling this nigga's cheating on me and I didn't catch him. He didn't cheat on me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

[Big Demona]

If the never made me feel like he was cheating.

[Brian]

That's true.

[Big Demona]

I never found no like, he was cheating. I'm not a phone go through and

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you don't go looking.

[Big Demona]

I'm not. I went through a phone one time. The lies and this was telling his people and the kind of he was into was so up. I never did that again.

[Joe Button]

But he didn't cheat and it wasn't cheating.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He's just.

[Big Demona]

He was just a fucking weirdo. Like, that's how I feel that out or whatever.

[Joe Button]

He was a pansexual.

[Big Demona]

No, he wasn't gay or nothing. He just was like a. Like he was real manipulative and lying and he just had too many. It was too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He definitely was.

[Joe Button]

He was paying rents.

[Big Demona]

He paid Joe, shut up, cuz. I'm like thinking, but I'm thinking in my head, like, I know I had to do something crazy. I've hit men. I've done. But it wasn't. No, I think you cheating.

[Big Ish]

I think a lot of men don't realize. I think most of us have probably had those situations. Like we thought a woman was totally faithful.

[Big Demona]

I think it happens to y' all a lot. A lot. Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Ish]

I'm pretty sure there's a few women I dated that cheated on me. And I don't know because women are

[Big Demona]

so good at cheating. Like, we take most from women.

[Big Ish]

What gave me that inkling suck at cheating? It was after the fact.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When I see how them bitches was moving in the street after you, it's

[Big Ish]

like, you know what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is the highest equality. When I think about it.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I've dealt with that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I can see that.

[Big Ish]

I see a world where that could be the case.

[Big Demona]

I never even cheated on. And then it's like, I. I don't. I look, I go for the.

[Big Ish]

Ain't going to cheat on me.

[Big Demona]

It's a method to this, man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This the other thing.

[Big Demona]

I don't go for the cute one with the big sneaks. I go for the weird one that people tell them. The ugly or the weird, but them cheat too first. Nah, not. Not mine. Not mine. Praying for me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel you on that. If I ain't find I'm the type of person.

[Big Demona]

I am an Aquarius. I know how I am. I know I'm spoiled. I require a lot of attention. I don't want no. With a lot going on. I want this to do. Two things. Work and come over. That's it. Like, I go for them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that.

[Joe Button]

Me and my girl. Seen my stalker recently on Mother's Day? I think she was at Drift or some there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stop pointing to me when you say drift. We all been to Drift.

[Joe Button]

We all have not been to Drift.

[Big Ish]

Which one?

[Joe Button]

We all have not been to Drift.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You never been to Drift?

[Joe Button]

No, Mark,

[Big Ish]

I never been there either.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think I know your stalker, Joe.

[Big Ish]

Do.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do I know your stalker?

[Big Demona]

I think I know you stalker, too.

[Joe Button]

I don't know you have more than one. Yeah, but the one I'm talking about is.

[Big Ish]

I'll talk to you later.

[Joe Button]

Oh, if you knew my stalker, that'd be wifey.

[Big Ish]

Oh, yeah, he would have.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Crack.

[Big Ish]

Crack.

[Joe Button]

Oh, please. Yeah. Out of here. He might know it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He might.

[Brian]

I think that's what he said.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I think that's what he's saying, too. Have y'. All. Have y' all had sex with all your songs?

[Brian]

Stalkers?

[Big Ish]

I never had a stalker.

[Big Demona]

If you ask extra stalker. She's not a stalker.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no, she ain't. If she ain't. No, no, no. I don't mean like she gave you some Gucci.

[Big Demona]

Oh, well, that's.

[Joe Button]

I didn't know they were. She wasn't stalker after. She wasn't stalking on the strength.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't mean like, oh, you're stalking me. Let me. You. I mean, like, you think you.

[Joe Button]

She was stalking for gp. She tried triggers, y'. All.

[Big Ish]

Yo, so let me ask you. The second that she gave you her box, that just entitles her to be in your bushes and ride by your

[Joe Button]

house and park by your house and all that shit.

[Big Demona]

If the stalker. If you the stalker and she turns into a stalker, she's not a stalker because she gave you pussy before. It's a joke.

[Big Ish]

I know.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was with you.

[Big Demona]

It's a joke. Ain't nobody. Never mind.

[Joe Button]

Oh, do I got tomatoes on me?

[Big Demona]

That was me.

[Big Ish]

Yo.

[Big Demona]

What?

[Joe Button]

I'm about to egg this anyway. Listen, I wouldn't do it. That's all. That's all. I hate to beat you down. I wouldn't do it. And my girl wouldn't be at no birthday party and I ain't there. I don't give a. What we talking about. I don't give up what we talk.

[Brian]

Yeah, you got a puppet.

[Big Ish]

95%. That can go really bad.

[Joe Button]

You got to Have. Remember back in elementary school, they used to do a fire drill that was to prepare you in the event of a real fire. See, we do fire drill breakers, cups too. So that we all know how to act. How to act during.

[Big Demona]

Joe, you sound like you married to me. That's like what you do with your wife. Like, if we going through something, not a full divorce, then we still go to a party. But it's like your girlfriend, you still. I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But here's the thing too.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking like, I don't plan on ever leaving her.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But a lot of people, I mean, that's his life partner, but a little

[Big Demona]

bit when he takes that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But my thing is also, like 99% of breakups ain't the real breakup.

[Joe Button]

True.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So you gotta move, like, y' all not breaking up. To me, that's the biggest thing. No matter how big the argument is, no matter how fresh to. And especially, I mean, like, when do you ever break up? So, like, me break up?

[Big Ish]

I'm with you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No.

[Joe Button]

Go through the motions of a breakup a bunch.

[Big Ish]

I don't do that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's my point.

[Joe Button]

And I'm better at that than her.

[Big Ish]

I'm not.

[Joe Button]

That's the only. What, how many examples?

[Big Demona]

I know what you're talking about.

[Joe Button]

An example is one time she was mad about some that I don't remember. Forgot about that. Right. But of course. But she was mad enough to where she called me and said, you know what? It's over. I'm done with you. You a piece of. I'm never coming back. I'm booking a plane. I'm on a plane now. I'm coming. Get my stuff. I said bet. It was a game on or something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was like you said bet.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, cuz now we in breakup fire drill.

[Big Demona]

Sidebar. That works now.

[Joe Button]

Now we are in breakup fire drill.

[Big Demona]

That works.

[Joe Button]

You telling me you leaving me? I don't want you to, but you want me to say that. So let me just see how far you're gonna take this thing. And sure enough, this crazy motherfucker jumped on a plane and left. Came up here, grabbed a suitcase from the back, packed her shit up, and then came and stood in front of me and had the fucking gall and the nerve to say, I need another suitcase. Because I love that. This bag. This bag ain't big enough.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you did?

[Joe Button]

What you did?

[Big Ish]

Yo, you hungry?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you did?

[Big Ish]

Yo, you hungry?

[Joe Button]

Isaiah Marshall's open. Marshall.

[Big Demona]

You good, Joe?

[Joe Button]

Marshalls ain't closed.

[Big Demona]

You good, Joe.

[Joe Button]

You're a sick Dude. So then she walked away, she slammed the door, and then she came back and said, I need to go to Marshall's.

[Big Ish]

Take me there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You said, uber's available.

[Joe Button]

And I said, here's the key. And she went to Marshall's, and she came back. I love my baby. We wouldn't have lasted if she wasn't the greatest.

[Big Demona]

The key would have made my heart single. Like, oh, he don't.

[Joe Button]

So she went to Marshall, she got the bag, she came back, she packed the other bag, and I said, hey, we should speak before you're done.

[Big Ish]

Oh, you bitched out.

[Joe Button]

You bitched out, but that's good. No, I love her, and I don't want her to leave, and I'm just trying to.

[Big Ish]

So stop playing playing games.

[Joe Button]

I'm not playing games. I'm saying we should speak before you finish with this.

[Big Ish]

Don't say, Marshalls is open because we

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

should speak before you go to Marshalls.

[Big Ish]

When she said, y' all need another suitcase, that means you don't want to leave. Because if you really wanted to leave, you would have picture packed your essentials in this one suitcase and said the rest of that and got out of here.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If you really want to leave, you just say that.

[Big Ish]

All that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's typically what happens.

[Big Ish]

So I might have came up up here and got my essential.

[Joe Button]

The fire drill breakup is a chess match. Y' all are right if I'm just talking to a podcast, but the fire drill breakup is a chess match. Sending her to get the other bag is going to buy me another 40 minutes to see what Drake May is going to do. Some quiet in the house.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ah, I see. You're not trying to win the battle over the leave or not leave. You trying to just watch the game.

[Joe Button]

I'm just trying to get peace and make sure that we don't break up, sicko. And sure enough, when I said, hey, please, can we speak if you don't mind? Before you finish, we spoke, and then

[Big Ish]

y' all went, got some came, got

[Joe Button]

in bed and snuggle. Oh, you Joe dict her down.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know you are the reason why y was even here, right?

[Joe Button]

You, girl.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, I don't even know what

[Joe Button]

he talking about, but you know you're

[Big Ish]

the reason that that was even happening, right? If something happened where you were in the wrong, and she's now being forced to make a decision out of the respect of the relationship, why you want to have that much control Just to

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

say, well, just give me this 40 minutes apiece.

[Big Ish]

Like, why not just handle it when it need to be handled.

[Joe Button]

Cause you leaving, it's turning me on. Ooh, it's getting kinky in here, you being so determined. You know what, nigga? Fuck you. I got principles. I got morals. I'm standing, I'm going to buy a bag. I don't know need you or your money. Ooh, girl, you don't. Oh, you don't want it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This nigga's sick.

[Joe Button]

They talk about, no, I a want my girl to leave. No, I'm going through the motions.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's a fire drill, breakup.

[Big Demona]

At the end of the day, she wouldn't even have came if she.

[Joe Button]

That's why I don't talk to these people.

[Big Demona]

And also, do you know I did want to ask you this. Do you know how much that bet pissed her off? You know that. You know what that is? Y' all know that, right?

[Joe Button]

Well, yes, you me told me. Next morning, she told me.

[Big Demona]

That is so, like, yo, take me

[Joe Button]

to Marshall will write a or no or no.

[Big Demona]

I think you said bet to the plane, right?

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I'm on a plane.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Good.

[Big Demona]

I want to see the fact that something is happening. Something is happening. You rewrite a paragraph, you send a voice note, or something is happening. It's like, okay, like, that's.

[Big Ish]

You hit that with the K. If

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

you hit a K or thumbs up, it's a rap.

[Joe Button]

My girl look mad good when she enforcing her boundaries and don't want nothing to do with me.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What you do at the Marshall, that's just sexy.

[Joe Button]

Oh, we still got it.

[Big Demona]

Keep it.

[Joe Button]

No, the kid. The kid's going to college. The kids going to college.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Take this back. My girl done bought all the Marshall bags in every color. I know all of them anyway.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Ah, crazy.

[Joe Button]

I love you, baby. Fire drill. Breakups.

[Big Demona]

That's cute.

[Joe Button]

My man bugged out. Birthday party.

[Big Ish]

No, girl, no, no, no. You got to assess the situation, because you know what your girl does for a living.

[Brian]

That, too.

[Big Ish]

And you know that she could turn up. No, that they coming. And when I say today, I'm talking about Liam Neeson.

[Brian]

She could turn up.

[Big Ish]

Mark Wahlberg.

[Joe Button]

Keanu, if you're a girl not lit, ignore us. Hit the 15 second skip button. If you're a girl not lit, ain't nobody coming to her birthday.

[Big Ish]

All right, Come on.

[Joe Button]

I'm sure there's a topic that needs our.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Are y' all as excited as I'm sure. I think Ish is gonna say yes.

[Joe Button]

I think he always say yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We now have our world's first trillionaire. Did y' all Hear about this?

[Big Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Why do I care about that?

[Big Ish]

Why do I care about that?

[Joe Button]

Nigga, I don't give a fuck about that.

[Big Ish]

I don't know y' all like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all be liking money as much as people. We talk about money up here. I think that would be a mob. Why would I care? Elon Musk SpaceX went public after the initial IPO was crazy. I think it's $150 a share now. It exceeded the one 135. Elon Musk owns a lot of it. So now he's based on the valuation he's worth over a trillion dollars.

[Big Ish]

1.1 trillion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's crazy.

[Brian]

That's crazy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's insane.

[Joe Button]

He's still a sucker ass.

[Big Ish]

He'd be a sucker with 1.1 trillion.

[Big Demona]

He's very funny looking and he's strange period. Remember when he had one of them babies and the baby mamas on Twitter?

[Joe Button]

The babies don't with him.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The parent.

[Joe Button]

The baby mamas don't with them. The dad don't with him. Nobody with him. He got a trillion dollars. Than what?

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's scary.

[Joe Button]

I don't want a trillion dollars. And don't nobody with me.

[Big Demona]

When she explained how it was like dating him.

[Joe Button]

You know I got a few million people me do feel good.

[Big Demona]

He is weird. He's a really strange.

[Joe Button]

He is weird. I don't.

[Big Demona]

He is so strange.

[Big Ish]

He got a lot of kids, right?

[Big Demona]

He got a lot of kids. He just start making them back to back on purpose.

[Big Ish]

I think he's trying to like 166 what SpaceX.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you invest in it? Did you invest in it?

[Joe Button]

No.

[Big Ish]

Up $30 today.

[Joe Button]

So that's great.

[Big Ish]

Now I got to with you but

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

y talking all that I could have got if book 35.

[Joe Button]

It don't sound too late though. No.

[Big Ish]

You don't buy it. I know this hurts nobody me next couple days. This doesn't hurt your little socialist heart a little bit?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, not a little bit. A lot Trillionaire.

[Big Ish]

I just.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This controls world the world and he's not a good person. Take the money off the table for a minute. It's the fact that it's him. Like he might be the worst person in the world to have this much power and influence.

[Big Demona]

He should.

[Big Ish]

He not the worst but maybe not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But he up there. He in the mix.

[Big Ish]

I would think so.

[Big Demona]

But he have a baby. Don't even see it. Don't even go see it. Don't care. He just makes them. He send her money. Have a baby. That's it.

[Big Ish]

Some people don't. They detach like that. Some people are really.

[Big Demona]

I think he just wants to make kids. I think that's the thing. Like, he got this thing with that.

[Big Ish]

Some people are detached. Some people.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's weird.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, it is weird. It's real strange. Yeah, that's some strange.

[Joe Button]

Yo, we got two people in Philly from here, but y' all not bigging up that new heat that came out from Philly.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You talking about what came out of Philly? The Sparks album.

[Joe Button]

I'm talking about the Oscino Dis.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I heard. I heard both of them. I listened to both of them.

[Big Ish]

He. He dissed, Jay.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, he did. He dissed. I got. Got it somewhere.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to my man.

[Big Demona]

Shout out to Sparks. My I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

With both of them.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, Sparks. That's up. You can't go to the Roost picnic because this because of your man.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't what he said.

[Big Demona]

I don't think that's why either. Because I remember with Beanie Seagull, 25th anniversary, he was there, he was late and they let him in. That's what. That's what they.

[Big Ish]

That's the one person I don't hear

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

saying nothing about nothing.

[Big Ish]

Just seem like he chilling. Like Sparks.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Spark being his own words world. That's my man. Yeah, I don't like that.

[Big Demona]

Yeah, he a nice guy. He one of the first people that like, show love. I was so hyped, cuz like, Sparks raised me. That what so hype just always reposted, like, literally trying to help my grow.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You heard his new album, it's called Made a million downloaded it.

[Brian]

We got to hit that fast fast forward button.

[Joe Button]

I'll be listening to everything on one and a half now. Yo, come on, yo, if I'm playing Philly's finest, the two people from Philly

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

we talking about we breaking down the bars.

[Joe Button]

Listen to the lyrics. Yo. Listen to the lyrics.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Pray for all my brothers to have makes don't understand loyalty. It's like you speaking in Spanish. See, jealousy is sickness that you can't fix with just a medicine. You hate Drake cuz now he own the lifetime is Edison.

[Big Ish]

I hear you bragging about a stabbing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You funny as David L. I've been in the field.

[Joe Button]

Vietnam veteran.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You imagine waking up every day in life staring at your chick and deep down you know she only really with you. Cuz you rich Ain't nobody, ain't no cloud, you just a giant, you a trick from Big Pippa in the pan.

[Joe Button]

Destiny Child's little how Was the CEO

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

of Rock Nation, the federal informant.

[Brian]

Not great

[Joe Button]

Moan and Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to my brother.

[Joe Button]

To Philadelphia.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Shout out to my brother Oskino. Look, this is what I say.

[Joe Button]

Philly representatives.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is what I say. You know, represent.

[Joe Button]

Represent.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Hov hit him with a bar at the Roots picnic. He felt the need to respond. He, like, he said. He said, I'd be a sucker if I ain't say nothing back.

[Big Demona]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I respect that he came out there and made a response. A lot of people be scared to respond to Hov. He wasn't scared.

[Joe Button]

Mark, you gotta stop.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, you gotta respond better.

[Joe Button]

Mark, stop it. Yo, you gonna stand on your Philly shit.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stand on your Philly shit. Shout out to S.C. mosquito. That's my.

[Joe Button]

Are you. Are you rapping for Philly right now with this? Let me play some more of them.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How you come to Philly in the

[Joe Button]

fro looking like you normal? Credit for writing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Your portrayal is so enormous. I burn down every forest because they

[Joe Button]

brought for one show.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The rest of the year, you gonna ignore them eating Cornerstor bodegas? Cause I ain't never do brunch. Evil Knievel, this 60 still dying to St.

[Big Ish]

The what?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I actually liked the bar I took. I liked. I liked.

[Big Ish]

Didn't.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It didn't set the world on fire, but I thought it was solid.

[Joe Button]

I thought it was good.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But more importantly, I respect him fighting back. I respect the say that.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, a lot of people would have said nothing. He hit a lot of people on that stage. Ain't nobody else responding. Like, he said, you ain't gonna come to my city.

[Big Ish]

I've listened to a lot of early Oskino shit, and I know who he is when it comes to Philly. So I got a lot of respect with that.

[Joe Button]

That ain't it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all ain't gotta like it.

[Big Ish]

The flow was off.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I didn't love him on that beat. I think it's the beat. That's what it's on that beat. Cause he was saying some shit.

[Big Ish]

I've heard him on other shit where it makes sense. But this marriage of the flow and

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

the beat, I didn't love the flow, but I actually liked what he was saying. And I like the fact that, again, he stood up for himself. You ain't gonna come to my city at the Roost picnic and hit me with a bar. And then I'm not gonna do nothing.

[Big Ish]

I'd rather hear him do the interview and just talk because he's. That, to me, is way more entertaining than the Music at this point, I love watching.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I like when rappers.

[Joe Button]

I'm all for rappers sticking up for themselves, and I'm all for rappers shooting at rappers that are more successful than them. That's my bag.

[Brian]

Do it on beat, though.

[Big Ish]

That's your bag?

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Ish]

But just do it, though.

[Joe Button]

You did it great.

[Big Ish]

You did it good.

[Joe Button]

But when you do it, gotta do it.

[Brian]

Do it on beat.

[Joe Button]

It gotta be done right. This don't. This don't. It's not really sound like that. I heard this and was like, what is this thing's problem with him again? Like, I don't even know what the root of this is. Like, you're doing a whole bunch of distance. I have a problem with that. I have a problem when you dissing somebody and it's unclear what they're.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, he made it clear.

[Big Ish]

What's the problem?

[Joe Button]

What is it?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He made it clear all them interviews. You ain't no mark.

[Joe Button]

He sound nuts to me in those interviews. Dame sound nuts to me. And then what is the.

[Big Ish]

I don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Now, let me be clear, okay? I don't have a position. Who's right or wrong? Cause I don't know.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I need to say that. Cause I don't know. But what I do know is he feels like. He feels like everybody on state property got dealt a bad hand. He got issues with Beans and Free because he says that they cheated. They're funny with money. They act funny. He said Jay exploited them, took their rhymes, took their beats, didn't pay them right. He didn't say take their beats. They took their rhymes, took some of their hooks, some of their schemes, didn't pay them right, and moved funny all the time. He was saying that, like, they put him on the front line, put them on the front line to do shit. Like, for example, he's like, how y' all put me in front of Nas and come in the studio like, yo, I need you to go at Nas like he shot your cousin. Like he killed your cousin. We go after Nas, all this shit put our career on the line and saying we was frontlined in certain ways that was beyond real. And then y' all get cool again and don't even tell me, you know what I mean? And y' all throw me away. So that's how he feels. And again, I know there's another side to it. I don't know who right or wrong, but he. That's his beef, and he's made that beef clear for a long time. Now he feels like a Lot of them move funny. He also. Yeah, I ain't getting all this.

[Joe Button]

He should heal. Yeah. Cause that's a 24 year old beef. If you're married to what you saying, then you going back to 01.

[Big Ish]

No. Cause he could be acting, he could be right. He could be right in how he feels. Feels again. I'm not shooting at him. You could be totally right. Ain't how you feel. But in 2026, you being on Vlad all the time and just going over this Jay Z, Jay Z, Jay Z stuff, it just starts to look like an obsession. Yeah. Look away, I think.

[Joe Button]

And no rapper looks cool when it starts to look like an obsession.

[Big Ish]

Even if you write.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let me give you another way to think about it though. And I, I agree. I would drop it and move on. He's a, he's a talented artist. He got a lot of shit he could be doing. I want him to, to win. I, I root folkskin all the time. Another way to say is, if you feel like those people exploited you for money and now you finally have a chance to monetize off those people, maybe you feel like that's your best, that's your best response.

[Joe Button]

Because then you a crackhead.

[Big Ish]

No, the looks. It looks still.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This will make you a crack.

[Joe Button]

Listen to this.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It does make you a crackhead.

[Joe Button]

It does make you a crackhead.

[Big Ish]

No, if you do it, that 100

[Joe Button]

makes you crack it.

[Big Ish]

No, if you did it once and you got your point out. But for you to keep, keep, keep, keep doing it every single time we see you. Because now, to Joe's point, like, now you just look desperate. So if you're going to do it, talk about it.

[Joe Button]

And be clear. I'm not calling him a crackhead. I don't know him. Yeah, but I don't think that if I'm just going by your word, it wasn't enough money. Like, it wasn't enough money that. What did he take from Moschino? Like, seriously, like, throw a number out there, it ain't enough money. Where 24 years later, you almost do more damage to yourself and your own reputation with how you come off 24 years later than squabbling over whatever the pennies were that you were. I got jerk. We all got jerk. We all got jerk back then. Yo, niggas that are up did shit and it looked exploitative to us, but years later, it's like pissing on myself.

[Big Ish]

I think Oskino has done less focusing on the J like he spoke on Jay, but I think he's done Less focusing on the Jay aspect. Aspect of the. And probably talked more about the beans in that relationship, because that's a lot about that. So I. I have seen him talk a lot about that. I think he really do feel away about that and might have here and there mentioned the J shit. If he's finding a way of profit from it today, and he's now creating the space for himself to do interviews and stuff like that, and he's doing

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

on his own platform, and he has.

[Big Ish]

Also has his own platform.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, it. I. I wouldn't do it, but I. I respect it. I don't think he goes that hard on Jay all the time, like you said. I. I think it's. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, I think that's more state property stuff.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And a lot of people keep asking, you know, but, like, if.

[Big Ish]

If, if, if, if, if forbid. I left the podcast today, and me and Joe fell out.

[Joe Button]

Then I'm coming to your house.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, look.

[Big Ish]

And we fell out over terms that weren't favorable.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't know where you live.

[Joe Button]

Yo.

[Big Ish]

For me to keep getting on every. If me. If I got on every single platform for the next 20 years. Years and talked about Joe Button negatively, I think that looks a way.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What if you got 20 bands every time you did it, every time you did an interview?

[Big Ish]

All right, cool. No, no, listen. I'm gonna answer you now. If I got 20 bands, every time I talked about Joe, there would be a period of about two years where I would talk about Joe and I would get my 20,000 a pop, but I would make that 20,000 work for me to the point where I don't gotta go look stupid sitting on everybody's camera. And they only want to hear about me and Joe Button. Story. Stories. Not about my own.

[Brian]

Talk about something else.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, like, not about my own.

[Brian]

Expand the conversation.

[Big Ish]

Yeah. So now when I go sit down, they like, all right, well, cool. Joe button on the 13th, 14th, 12th interview. I'm talking about John. They like, yo, so what else you got going on? All right, cool.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I feel that I'm doing it. That's not his only.

[Big Ish]

That's. That's.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He talks about a lot of.

[Big Ish]

He talks about a lot of.

[Joe Button]

And one of y' all close us out. This is not important.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And we still got to get the Sparks album. I'm not mad at Sparks, man. Shout out to Sparks and Sparks. He got a new album out. It's called Made a Million. A lot of tracks on it. Lot of beats, a lot of hooks, a lot of rhymes. Check it out.

[Joe Button]

You're a real piece of shit, Mark. Keeping this in the Roc A fella family, Kanye west is being accused of sexually assaulting a young model. Here's a clip.

[Big Demona]

I didn't know what was gonna happen.

[Joe Button]

I was given no direction.

[Big Demona]

I was just told to sit in this chair.

[Joe Button]

A model has accused Kanye west of sexually assaulting her by choking her and forcing his fingers into her mouth on the set of a music video in 2010. Now, Kanye's lawyers don't deny that this happened, but they say it was part of an artistic performance and that the

[Big Demona]

model, Jennifer Ahn, did not object to it while it was happening.

[Joe Button]

In an exclusive interview with the Fame Under Fire podcast, Jen told me that

[Big Demona]

she wasn't aware that west was going

[Joe Button]

to be on set that day. Then when he arrived, he picked her out for a one on one scene.

[Big Demona]

It started started where he. He went up to my face and he was like smearing my. My makeup on my face and. Okay. Do you need a minute?

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Sorry.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's okay.

[Joe Button]

Let's go. Mark.

[Big Demona]

Researching the makeup all over my face

[Joe Button]

in a way that just felt

[Big Demona]

wrong.

[Joe Button]

He started sticking his fingers in my

[Big Demona]

mouth and I feel like he was like trying to touch as much as he could and I was actively. My tongue was like, like hiding from him. Neutral button.

[Joe Button]

Now, Jen told me that Kanye didn't speak to her before, during, or after after the interaction, but that when he was done, he shouted, this is our I am Picasso. And then abruptly left. Distinguished panel, whose side are you on in this dispute?

[Big Ish]

I would love to hear Mark's take.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why?

[Big Ish]

Because you're just really insightful. I love to hear you talk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, this is all information I have is what we just heard. Yeah. It comes down to whether this was.

[Joe Button]

Was

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

part of the project or not.

[Joe Button]

Is that your ringtone or something? Why are you playing CNC Music Factory? That's my too.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He look like the rapper from.

[Joe Button]

But come on. You got chill on the ring.

[Big Ish]

I'm looking for the girl.

[Joe Button]

Oh yeah. You won't beat the allegations that way. He ready to do some art? Mark, assuming this is all we know. Cuz this is all I know.

[Big Ish]

That's all I'm saying.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't have any more because since I was like, what do you think it's like. It's hard to know when you hear one side of a story. But this is what saying I'm judging

[Joe Button]

from the one side. Who do you think is on the hook for this? Who's culpable Right. If she's a model. I'm assuming that that was an agency. Yeah. At some point. I'm assuming because at a Kanye video, it's not just. It's not walk ups. These are agencies. These people are liable for things. I would think that the agency is on the hook for not only whatever happens there, but whether the agency or the label. Somebody should be having these models sign a waiver, something.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, but you can. There's certain things you can waive and certain things you can't. Right.

[Joe Button]

You can't. Wait, you can't waive sexual abuse.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Big Ish]

Or any abuse.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Cause the framing has. In the three seconds I looked this up while we were just sitting here, the way it's framed is he simulated oral sex with his hand. With his hand. He simulated oral sex with his. His hand.

[Joe Button]

So and if that's. And if she didn't consent to that or if that's not permitted.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Joe Button]

It still sounds to me like that's on the agency, so.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, it's on both.

[Joe Button]

Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So if. In my estimation, and I'm not offering an expert legal opinion, I'm just saying if it comes down to what the casting call was too. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of ifs.

[Brian]

Yeah. It was this outline.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'm taking her word that she had no idea he was gonna be there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but I get that. But I'm saying what the casting call was, whether it's the. So, for example, if they told the agency.

[Joe Button]

This is the gig.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

This is the gig. Yeah. And. And they didn't relay that. That's on. That's on the agency. But if no one told the agency.

[Joe Button]

And Kanye is acting off script.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right.

[Big Ish]

So Kanye.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I need to know we agree this up.

[Joe Button]

He was acting off script.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's hard to find.

[Joe Button]

We can, we can guess the Kanye.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Button]

It wasn't written down nowhere. Hey, I'm going to stick all five of my fingers in your mouth and try to find your tongue. And that wasn't written nowhere. Right.

[Big Ish]

And the fact that she let it happen, I don't want to make it seem like, well, she was. Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't mean you caught in the moment.

[Big Ish]

You don't know how to react. You also putting.

[Joe Button]

He been there.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Excuse me, Been where?

[Brian]

At a movie. Video shoot.

[Joe Button]

Video shoots still ain't getting. Still ain't getting no Jesus war, Craig. Right.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I. I've never had this happen I've never had this

[Joe Button]

Jesus walk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y' all want to tell about the things that happen on sex? No, I want you to finish your thought, brother. You're so insightful.

[Joe Button]

Stop making molestation jokes, Mark. That's not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

There wasn't a molestation joke.

[Joe Button]

Cuz. You defend girl. You defend girls who've been sexually abused, and you crack on guys that have been sexually abused.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, let me be very clear. That's a very bad state. I make fun of Imani.

[Joe Button]

That don't make it better.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, no. It's not guys and girls. I'm saying I defend all. All victims. However, after the new year, we said that we would no longer do that. And I haven't made fun of him for being molested since. I've never been molested. So to make that clear, like, you gotta stop doing that. All right? I'm saying that was the joke. The joke. You made jokes about me? I made jokes about you.

[Joe Button]

We both. I thought you got molested, Joe.

[Big Ish]

Well, he's always implying by a man or something. The woman's shit is different.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so you want to molested.

[Big Ish]

We're not doing this right now on this beautiful broadcast.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay, so let me get back to talking about.

[Joe Button]

I always thought. Yo, you cracking jokes. You was walking over the homie house.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Remember that story?

[Joe Button]

That is true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You.

[Joe Button]

Hey, I volunteered.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And you was a York Peppermint Patty.

[Joe Button]

So come on, let's go. I wouldn't make those jokes. Moving past it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

We all agree we shouldn't make fun of those things, and we haven't done it since. I wouldn't say you got molested. I was saying Kanye West. I was making. Talking about you. What I'm saying is this.

[Joe Button]

It was never lame.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What I'm saying is this.

[Big Ish]

If the young.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If the young lady is there and she is just thinking that I'm here

[Big Ish]

for a certain gig, this happens impromptu. She's scared. She don't know where her career's gonna go after that. She doesn't know how to react. I can see a world where that's the case. And I can also see a world where this nigga is out of his brains, just think he can do whatever the fuck he want.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think that's a prompt to increase.

[Joe Button]

You know what girls get old off, though. A lot of fall under that sexual abuse. Like, a lot falls there. Like, if I'm listening to what she said and what she said only. And yes, that is sexual abuse, because don't touch my tongue. Yeah, yeah, but you know this nigga's a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That ain't no excuse.

[Joe Button]

You know, this nigga's a weirdo. Stick his hand in the model's. Yeah, I know. I'm not trying to make an excuse for him. I'm not making excuse for him. That's wrong.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And then you gonna walk off hitting niggas with. I'm. He's a sick fuck. He's not well. And that's an excuse. His behavior. But this is just evidence of him not being well. But this is awful. I'm with Joe. This isn't a question of whether who's right and wrong. It's a question of who's responsible for this wrong that happened.

[Joe Button]

Yes, that's what I'm asking. Yeah.

[Big Ish]

He been a sick fuck for a long. That was 2010.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. When were you on set with.

[Big Ish]

I was never on set.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, no, I wasn't making a joke. I was gonna ask you if you saw strange behavior on set.

[Big Ish]

I've never been on set.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

Did you see strange behavior at his house?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, but I've seen somebody.

[Joe Button]

Stop playing. That's how I got on the hook. Literally.

[Big Ish]

Wow.

[Joe Button]

Y. Oh, I heard that late.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, you caught it. You caught it late.

[Joe Button]

The hook. Y' all are nuts.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was really proud of that.

[Joe Button]

But they had a hook that did that. Nah, if had a hook, you gotta kill him. You got. He got murdered. That boy don't play with me with no hook. You talking to. Yo, where's the guns you got. You gotta kill a. You try to back. Back out on you?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is disgusting.

[Joe Button]

Yo. Is wrong with you? Are you kidding me? I can't go to bed that night. You gotta die, boy. You. You tried something egregious that he tried to ruin my inside. Yo, bro, what's wrong with this? Curve him up. Oh, you try to make my whole bowels move different boys. God damn disgusting, yo. Oh, man. Anyway, I just think that's interesting that the model agency is not knowing that. That's. That's nice to me.

[Brian]

Well, again, it goes down to the treatment. Like, if they. If he just made this up on

[Joe Button]

the fly, then it's still on the model agency that you. It's your job to protect me no matter what. If y' all are sending me to a gig, I just don't get that. He's on the hook of already pause after that. He's on the hook. I just don't see how the model agency is not.

[Big Ish]

They got.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

If it's not something that he in

[Big Ish]

let them know that he wanted to do and he did that impromptu that they can't be on the hook.

[Joe Button]

Not letting them know anything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But that's my point.

[Joe Button]

Label and representative, he don't come and talk to nobody.

[Big Ish]

He go to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't pay the suit. Then since you want to be that loose and do what you want to do, and I'm Picasso and I can just freely put my fingers in women's mouth. All right, now deal with the consequences of that.

[Joe Button]

You got to pay it. How much?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Whatever the.

[Joe Button]

You got to pay it.

[Big Ish]

Whatever the they you got, they're asking for.

[Joe Button]

You can't shove your hand in somebody mouth and look for their tongue as they're trying to hide it on a job.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That is crazy.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's not. Unless. Unless it's a music video for a song about oral sex and they put a treatment out and you said we're going to. It has to be very specific.

[Big Ish]

That's true.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. I just don't know that. Yeah. Well, Kanye could be anything, but I'm inclined to believe he did something wrong.

[Joe Button]

Same, same. Same Man.

[Big Ish]

Pay that woman out of here. How much she suing for? Don't matter. Settle it.

[Joe Button]

Didn't say when I saw it. Didn't say. So what else? What else, what else, what else? I don't have anything that is ultra important. I did want to talk about DJ ASAP and his wife being sentenced to 40 years. That is the influencer couple that has. That was running a pyramid scheme. I'm familiar because I've seen docs on Hulu about them.

[Big Ish]

About them specifically.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Ish]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Button]

I wish I remember. I think they was on the episode of American Greed, one of them shits I'll be watching. One episode was dedicated solely to them. They've been on the Breakfast Club before. I can probably find that clip, too, if you guys just talk for a second.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He scammed me. These pyramid schemes, man. Suck them every minute.

[Big Ish]

Like, do you know the nature of the scam or. No. You know what I'm saying? What was the fitness Around a certain time every girl was promoting.

[Joe Button]

Here we go.

[Big Ish]

Oh, tell me this is these two.

[Big Demona]

Two to nine.

[Joe Button]

It's just them talking.

[Big Demona]

And guess what? That's okay. But I'mma tell you this. I can't say that you're gonna get your money back next week or the end of this month. But what I will say, we are working as quickly as we can on those refunds. And once we get through all of what we're going through right now. I honestly do think, and maybe I'm being naive to keep trying to push this community and keep trying to say one day we will recover. Maybe I'm just thinking I want something more for people than what they want for themselves. I'm not going to give up until y' all tell me, Shonda, like it's done, like it's good. We're through.

[Big Ish]

Marla Moore appeared in a Colin Kathleen

[Big Demona]

county courtroom four years ago.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think the truth will come to

[Big Demona]

light to face civil charges filed by the Texas attorney general's office. And the civil charges came first judgment against them.

[Big Ish]

Now that couple accused of running a

[Big Demona]

pyramid scheme out of their prosper home has been criminally convicted in federal court. And we were just played. It was, we were played all right.

[Joe Button]

And that's one of the victims. Marlon Moore, known as DJ ASAP, and his wife Lashonda Moore were sentenced on June 9, 2020, 26 to 40 years each, God damn it. In federal prison for running Blessings in no Time Bent is what they called it, a fraudulent chain referral pyramid scheme. The DOJ says the scheme targeted people during the COVID 19 pandemic and caused more than $30 million in losses to over 10,000 victims nationwide. Federal prosecutors said Bent promised people an 800% return on a 1400 dollar quote, unquote blessing payment. But it was structured around playing boards where new recruits money paid earlier participants. The Moores were convicted in January 2026 of conspiracy, wire fraud and money laundering. Now they were offered a plea of 10 years to which the judge. No, they didn't dub it. That's what's going around that they dubbed it. The judge dubbed it said he did deny York too. The judge took it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's too soft.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, the judge took it back. So then they went to trial and the verdict is 40 years of pop that money laundering, tax evasion, all that. That ain't no joke. That is, that's a lot of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You get less on that for killing people.

[Big Ish]

It's too much.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're killing a few people. Yeah, no, that's too much time. I mean, I, I, I get the 10 years. The judge feel like 10 years is too soft. I, I think 10 years would have been fine. That's a lot of time in prison, particularly if you make restitution to all the victims. I think the first thing is restitution and then you have to give people a pathway. I think basically spending the rest of your life in prison for money laundering. When these white collar crimes Happen all the time in corporate America.

[Big Ish]

And they do two years.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah. Or you kill somebody and you get five years. You know, we've seen that place like Texas. As long as you kill a black person or you're at least white, like, you'll get five years in Texas sometimes. Is this in Texas as well?

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So I don't know what state it is. I'm just saying, like, I've seen Texas in Texas.

[Big Ish]

Okay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But this idea of praying on the vulnerable, I have two issues with this. One, this is part of our culture of get something for nothing. I'm not blaming the victims here. The victims were mistreated.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But we also have to get out of the mentality that you're going to get something for nothing. You're not going to get. Put $1,400 down and get a 800% return on your investment. You're just not. This is not how the world works.

[Joe Button]

But okay, but if somebody tells me that and I give him my money. Money. That's a crime.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, yeah. I say, as I said, both things are true. I'm saying these people are awful because they're preying on the most vulnerable people. Desperate. And they do a live stream during the pandemic. So you're going around telling people, look, I know times are hard. You're desperate, you're poor, you probably only got $1,400 or you got your stimulus check instead of investing it or saving or paying your rent or paying your landlord, whatever, Right. You're going to dump it into this thing hoping you'll get rich quick. You can't get rich quick. That's just not how it works. It's not for four people.

[Big Ish]

The board. It was called the. The board.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

If it ripped through New Jersey in the late 90s, like late 90s, early 2, 2000s. And what happens is it's always somebody that's gonna get stuck. So the was running for years in New Jersey. Like, years. And at the end, whoever's left at the end. So what happens is literally a pyramid. It'll be eight people at the bottom. Four people, two people, one person. Person. The eight people come in with their

[Joe Button]

$1,400 before you continue you bodying it. Be careful.

[Big Ish]

I never did that. I was in college.

[Joe Button]

Sound like you killing this right now.

[Big Ish]

No, no, I was in college, but it was popular. No, I'm dead ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It was popular statute on this.

[Big Ish]

No, again, it was like it was similar to a suu.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's literally what I'm typing in.

[Big Ish]

Right now, what is a SUU SU is the. Where you go ahead and you all put into community. Community. You keep collecting money. And then whoever's at that monk.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They're all the same thing. Same shit. Everybody put money in.

[Big Ish]

It's not the same. Is not a pyramid.

[Joe Button]

It's similar.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's similar. It's similar.

[Big Ish]

Is not a pyramid. A SUU is just one person collects a payment structure. This person collects the next month. This person collects this month. Like that. So you get a lump sum of money that you could use. The pyramid thing is different.

[Joe Button]

And in the suu, they. They. All they doing is selling you the money that you're going to get.

[Big Ish]

Recycling the money you are going to.

[Joe Button]

You are going to get this money. When is your turn.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Got you.

[Joe Button]

They're not promising you more. They not.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

None of that done within family too.

[Big Ish]

The pyramid. You get your money when it's your turn too. It's just what happens to keep the pyramid going.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to need new people.

[Big Ish]

You got to recruit new people. A suu.

[Joe Button]

Suu, they ain't even letting anybody in there.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, the SUU is the same people

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

just like, got it.

[Big Ish]

SUU has the same people.

[Joe Button]

So, yeah, it's like a piggy bank. It's a structured Piggy Bank.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The SUU understood if all of us

[Big Ish]

put up 200amonth, right? It's 10 people.

[Joe Button]

Oh, some of y' all be bankrupt.

[Big Ish]

One month. One month. Somebody gets to $2,000.

[Joe Button]

Right?

[Big Ish]

You understand what I'm saying? Because $2,000 will help you more than 200 like that. I get it with. With the pyramid, yo, that ripped through New Jersey. But people were making mad money. Like, people were really, really, really making a ton of money.

[Brian]

And they take money from people and don't give it back. That's what happens.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That'll do it.

[Joe Button]

But the promise is. The promise is I be. When every. Anytime I hear about. About this and DOJ has mentioned it's. It's what was promised that gets you. And depending on how much money you took or you on the hook for that plays a part in how much time. Time. So y' all are saying 40 years is excessive. I totally agree with that.

[Big Ish]

It's way excessive.

[Joe Button]

But for what they took, the amount of. The amount of time that they were doing it and the amount of people involved, maybe that does have something to do.

[Big Ish]

And I don't want. I don't want to cape for them. I don't want to cape for them. Because what happens is. And I'm just giving some Some insight. What happens is all of the money don't go to them. The people get paid out that you recruit. They get paid out. They get paid out. And so those people were probably getting like an administrative fee because I did the 1400 times eight. It's 11,200. So they might have been taking a $200 per payout.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And they put themselves at the top of every board.

[Big Ish]

No, because the board, you can't be at the top of everything.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm saying. That's literally what the report said. They said the problem was they were putting themselves at the top of the.

[Big Ish]

You think Come back in and pay.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You think some of the reason why

[Big Ish]

they got the sentence because they didn't show any, like, remorse or any, like,

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

because they were still rolling with.

[Big Ish]

Even after the civil. They were still rolling like, we didn't do this. You know what I'm saying? Could that be a reason to. Why the judge is like this? You guys are gonna take the highest penalty.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or the judge could just be pissed off. But just to be clear. Yeah. They said the recruits would then move up to the. Move up the board to receive their own payment. So everybody get. Like you said, eight participants.

[Joe Button]

Can you please speak into the microphone?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The scheme placed participants in four levels on a playing board, requiring them to recruit eight participants to pay the person at the top of the pyramid, 1400 each. The recruits would then supposedly move up the board to receive their own payment. However, the Moors would profit by placing themselves at the top of the boards to receive the ultimate payment. The release statement. The release states, so they were doing something different. Sounds like even in other pyramid schemes. But listen to this. The scheme eventually victimized 10,000 people. That's a lot of people.

[Big Ish]

Because the making 10,000 people will get you 40 years.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

No, because to make it work, you got to bring in two new recruits.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You got to keep. Thousand people is crazy.

[Joe Button]

It's a lot of people.

[Big Ish]

But my thing is, and again, I'm not caping. When these white people commit. I mean, when these people commit these white collar crimes, people lose hundreds and hundreds of millions.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at Bernie Madoff, bro.

[Big Ish]

And they don't get 40 years.

[Joe Button]

I watch the Netflix Bernie Madoff at least once a month, bro.

[Big Ish]

They don't get 40 years. So 10,000 people at.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How much time did Bernie Maid get?

[Big Ish]

I think he got life.

[Joe Button]

He's out of here.

[Big Ish]

He got life, I think, but.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And he took 65 million. So I mean, I'm just saying that

[Big Ish]

more than that, but took way more money.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

How much But I mean, you got life. Which.

[Joe Button]

Think about him. When they got him off corrupted. Died by what, 65 billion.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

A billion.

[Big Ish]

He corrupted whole company. 401k plans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Jesus.

[Big Ish]

Yeah. Entities he was investing. They 401k money. And he.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

The Mets.

[Big Demona]

Right?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I mean, everybody from Imran.

[Big Ish]

The people from Imran, like all of these.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They gave him 150 years.

[Big Ish]

People be stealing money. My. What's the. I don't even.

[Joe Button]

I'm just saying if it were. I'm not with the pyramid scheme. Me neither. Because it's too many. It's too many people that could tell there's too much that can go wrong. And I'm not with it no way. Because it's a crime and I ain't a criminal. But anytime I hear it being done, it just don't sound like a scam. If I were a scammer that I could have. They ever get with.

[Big Ish]

No, they don't. They plan.

[Joe Button]

And y' all know I'm. I'm all for a good scam. This just don't sound right.

[Big Ish]

It's the bottom of scams, but it's quick. So if you bring your. Imani brings me and you in, right? He moves up the board, you gonna get Paul and Corey, you move up the board, Corey gonna get Parks and E. You move up the board. It's fast. You could literally cash out in a day or two. So you telling somebody you could bring me 1400. You got 11 grand and two. Two days. The addiction, the desperation piece is what fuels the.

[Joe Button]

Also just to get on some convict. Why would a man and his wife be on the hook for the same crime? That don't make sense to me. Especially if y' all got kids.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Oh, I see. Like, why would somebody gotta win.

[Joe Button]

Somebody gotta win it. We can't just leave our kids to the foster system or to.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But they might.

[Big Ish]

They both on the books, though that's not up to the neither. Because the court don't make like, he could come up and be like, yo, everything is me. She don't have nothing to do with it. And they can still charge her. That's the court's discretion.

[Joe Button]

If they were, I'm saying it should have been like that in functionality, not through words.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I get you. Yeah.

[Big Ish]

You thinking you winning, you beating us. How will come.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

And it might start off as one thing and become something else too.

[Big Ish]

Like, grows fast, bro. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You start thinking, all right, we got a little hustle going. Or this is above board. But, you know, it'd be better if we slide our Names here and. Oh, if we do this and we. And before you you know it, you're already in. And then the crime just grows. I think that's a lot of times.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, that's sucker shit to me. That's corny. Protect your wife.

[Big Ish]

Yo, I was in college, bro.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Or let it take all the weight.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah. Yo, you so stupid.

[Big Ish]

No, I'm dead ass. I was in college, and that shit spread like. Like it started off in a little ass room, and soon you don't have enough space to house the people because it's growing exponentially.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

So what'd y' all do?

[Joe Button]

I didn't do it. All right, after this ball, make your way to 595 new.

[Big Demona]

Where the hell.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, but just tell Ice. Don't. He stood out there telling me.

[Joe Button]

Yo, speaking of DOJ and fed cases, Ice is still not here. Yeah, we are three hours into this podcast. He started by saying, yo, I got Zoom Court. It shouldn't take me no more than 15 minutes. And he's still not here. Ice down there telling on everybody.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's been four hours.

[Joe Button]

Everybody.

[Big Ish]

He been out for four hours.

[Joe Button]

No, honestly, Tekashi's. Yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yo, track. Yeah. I mean, is it traffic court or is this something else?

[Big Ish]

I. I think we don't know.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Turned into another court case.

[Joe Button]

A lot of blood.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mysterious. Is.

[Brian]

Is everyone up here safe?

[Joe Button]

I'm safe. I don't tell Ice about my. I don't tell Ice nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's true.

[Joe Button]

After he let the cops come in, my. I don't tell Ice nothing.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What was he supposed to do? Not do that.

[Joe Button]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What would you have did?

[Joe Button]

Honor, if you ask, I'm going. Give me the buck.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, what I would have did.

[Big Ish]

I would have act like I never heard the door? No, he looked out the window.

[Joe Button]

Cool.

[Big Ish]

He said he's seen people.

[Joe Button]

Ice only mistake is not knowing the law. That's why I'm not mad at him.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

That's why I never got mad at him. If you don't know the law.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait. But the police came to the door and said, we looking for you.

[Big Ish]

This is what happened. Ice said he heard somebody downstairs in the bushes, so he went to the window to look out, and they flashed a flashlight up in his face and said, yo, come downstairs. I'm good.

[Joe Button]

And if you don't know the law, then you gotta. You're coming downstairs.

[Big Ish]

Oh, shit.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, I'm good. And they open. They. He opened the door. They said, it's Joe Button home.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

He said, yeah, see, that's my issue.

[Joe Button]

If you don't know the law. Then you gonna do all that?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't gotta know the law. I might have came downstairs. If I know if I think they got me dead to rights, and I ain't about to make an escape. But once I get downstairs, there go. I mean, I swear. He's been talking this the whole time. He heard his name.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They gave you McDonald's. He gave me that. Going to be down. You got your kfc.

[Joe Button]

Huh?

[Brian]

You told.

[Joe Button]

You told him a. I gave him.

[Big Ish]

I was making up. You got the.

[Joe Button]

Yo. Irvington Crips. Hi. Yo, it's over, y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

They already picked him up.

[Joe Button]

Yo. Murder 292. Yo, I ain't going to listen.

[Big Ish]

They took all the Spanish cases first. I understood for a little, little bit

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

what you trying to say.

[Joe Button]

Well, why be Spanish girls?

[Big Ish]

No. Oh, oh, some of the other.

[Joe Button]

Oh, the crimes. No.

[Big Ish]

Oh, they almost made me bleep that.

[Joe Button]

Please.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was.

[Big Ish]

I was saying I was cussing like a.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait, what?

[Joe Button]

Please don't bleep that.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Please don't bleep that.

[Joe Button]

But, boy, what.

[Big Ish]

Yo, you can't say that. That's why we got parks. I'm Spanish.

[Brian]

And what's up?

[Joe Button]

You don't have to rehab cash. What? But if you get a lawyer, fam.

[Big Ish]

They took all. All.

[Joe Button]

Don't say it again.

[Big Ish]

Lawyer cases go first.

[Joe Button]

Why don't you obey the law? How about that? Stop making illegal U turns.

[Big Ish]

Hey, you. You drop better than all y'.

[Big Demona]

All.

[Joe Button]

Well, I don't drive. All right.

[Big Ish]

Oh, that was a good one.

[Joe Button]

You be making a lot.

[Big Ish]

I can't say to this. That was a good one.

[Joe Button]

That is a K turn. You be doing all types of in the street, yo.

[Big Ish]

Wait, what's up, though?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Actually, when you came in, we actually talking about you.

[Joe Button]

No, we was actually just ending the part.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Y. Y. That's it, man.

[Joe Button]

Yo, I. I looked at. I looked at all these topics. This is Patreon left now. Yo, man, yo, we killed this, right? Everything good, man. It's going be a good Patreon. Oh, no. Hey, Patreon. Hey, buckle your seat belts.

[Big Ish]

The whole board is Patreon way.

[Joe Button]

You cover the nothing on the board talk about. And it's funny, cuz I got you the whole time.

[Big Ish]

I hate you. Yo, I want to say that.

[Joe Button]

I want that.

[Big Ish]

I want on the record.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I respect that. I respect that.

[Joe Button]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

Did you see. Did you see Mark hating on you on the Patreon? No. Last Patreon.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Talk about on the Patreon.

[Big Ish]

Okay, we Talk about it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, we talk about Patreon.

[Big Ish]

No, I.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It's lies though. You hated on you, man. I held you down. Me and held you down, though.

[Joe Button]

Yeah, of course.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Black actors, we held you down.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Listen, Mona had to go halfway through the show. She had an emergency. Mona, we love her. We're praying, we're praying for you. Always hope everything is all right. One more win. Let's go. One more win. It could happen tonight. Game 5 is tonight in sand New York City. Hey, don't let us get one more now. And now y' all gotta be up by like 47 for us to feel like we could lose to y'. All.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't think that's enough.

[Joe Button]

I don't think it's enough neither. Go, Nick. Go Nick. Go Nick. Hey, wait a minute now.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Joe Button]

Wait. One more, one more, one more win. One more, one more, one more win. One more, One more, one more, one more. E. Go. One more time. Make Mark put up that spur shirt. Make Mark put up that little sper. Made Mark put up that little sper. Mark, don't even troll that little sper. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Yo, listen, man. Hopefully y' all enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Keep us your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you adieu. Farewell. Adios, Arriba, dirche. Hasta la vista. Au revoir. So long, goodbye or a simple head nod will suffice. Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And last but certainly not least, the baddies are are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. When the closed minded women want you to teach them things grab you with Tylenol, you very well may need it. What's up with y' all this weekend? What's up with y' all this weekend? Puerto Rico.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico.

[Joe Button]

Hey, back to his roots. Yeah, he going eating some roots.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, I'm finally going to see my roots.

[Big Ish]

It's the first time going there.

[Joe Button]

So you bringing that ginseng the ish go to the trunk for you.

[Big Ish]

Nah, I don't need that.

[Joe Button]

I'm not ish.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Go get the 3 liter out of the trunk.

[Joe Button]

3 liter of the tanto of the toto. I'm good.

[Big Ish]

I'm to go out there and enjoy my time, man. Get right back home.

[Joe Button]

We know what that.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, we know.

[Joe Button]

Off the natty oh, not in Puerto Rico.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Come on.

[Joe Button]

Not off the natty.

[Big Ish]

Not off the natty.

[Joe Button]

You're doing a lot.

[Big Ish]

Go back to the motherland. You got to go off the natty.

[Joe Button]

Everybody up here. No, no, you don't n. Looking forward to though.

[Brian]

You're going to tell.

[Joe Button]

Have a good time.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Brian]

I'm jealous.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you, nobody.

[Joe Button]

What the rest of y' all doing? Come on, turn it up in this.

[Brian]

I'm watching the game.

[Big Ish]

I ain't doing.

[Brian]

Have a little cookout.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You know, kids parties. And I may go down to Philly for the ad day festival.

[Big Ish]

Okay. I was supposed to be down, so. But I ain't go. I. I was mad busy. Rest in peace, actually to my cousin Diane that passed away, but I was

[Joe Button]

rest in peace weekend. Still nothing like actually attending them.

[Big Ish]

I know I was busy. I put my life and sweat into the gig.

[Joe Button]

Hey, actually.

[Big Ish]

Oh, that's a good one. Oh, can I send a quick. I want to send a quick. Good luck to my nephew, my nine year old nephew. He's trying out this weekend for a very big Broadway play.

[Joe Button]

So good luck to you.

[Big Ish]

I'm very proud of you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope you get it. Who's he attempting to play?

[Big Ish]

I don't want to say. I don't want to jinx anything.

[Joe Button]

I just following after your footsteps. Ah, yes, yes, that's right. Piece of, piece of.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

But it's all right, we'll talk about. I wanted to shout him out. When he gets it.

[Joe Button]

I'll talk about it then.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hope he gets it.

[Brian]

You should

[Joe Button]

Mark. You're a real piece of shit. What did I do?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You're just a jerk.

[Big Ish]

No, but when you know the role he applied for. Yo, this guy's a duck case, man.

[Joe Button]

And it's right, it's right, right, right there.

[Big Ish]

So.

[Joe Button]

Well, we hope you get it.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes.

[Joe Button]

Congratulations. Congratulations to Ari. You know what I mean? Happy graduation. Happy birthday to my little brothers. It was their birthday. They turned something the other day. Shout out to them at that point. Mix at that point.

[Big Ish]

Grown, grown, Grown.

[Joe Button]

I think 19.

[Big Ish]

Grown, grown. That's crazy.

[Joe Button]

I think they 19 now, my brothers. That's crazy. Yeah, that's absolutely nuts. Yo, if you a Nick fan, you know what time it is, man. Tonight is the night. And if it's not tonight, it'll be Tuesday night. And if it ain't Tuesday night, it'll be the next night.

[Big Ish]

Whoa now.

[Joe Button]

Oh, please, please.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I don't want Saturday and Tuesday you might get nervous.

[Joe Button]

Then we go back to seeing New York, y'. All. Don't do that. If it's not Tuesday, then we going back to sand New York.

[Big Ish]

You acting like.

[Joe Button]

I'm acting like we. I'm. I'm acting like we have beat these young punks five of the last seven times we played. And after we get this banner because we won't lose three in a row, we'll decide maybe, maybe then we'll raise the NBA cup thing too. You got to. Now, if you beat the same team. If you beat the same team in the finals, go ahead and raise that cup. The cup banner up.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah.

[Big Ish]

So there's nothing that can make you

[Joe Button]

nervous right now about this series?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

No, nothing.

[Joe Button]

Well, I'm a fan of sports, so I mean, you can get nervous.

[Big Ish]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Button]

You was just talking like if it goes seven. I've seen.

[Big Ish]

I've seen things happen before, so I'm. I'm keeping positive.

[Joe Button]

It would be. It would be a very nick thing to do. It would be a very nice seven

[Big Ish]

games and win at the last.

[Joe Button]

Nothing would shock me. But I. I don't see us losing three in a row to this very young and immature team. Your time will come.

[Big Ish]

You gotta be a mentally strong team to bounce back from that big of a collapse. And I just think they too young.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. I think the last loss breaks them. I don't even really think they. They coming tonight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Giving it.

[Joe Button]

They are. I think it's over.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Wemby. Wemby's giving his.

[Joe Button]

That's one. That's one person.

[Big Ish]

No, no, no. Them collectively. Them collectively.

[Joe Button]

It'll be Wimy, Harper and Castle that come to play. The rest of that team is defeated and deflated.

[Big Ish]

Going to be a dog fight tonight.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Let's see.

[Big Ish]

It's going to be a dog fight. They playing. I like. I like the spurs.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Honestly.

[Big Ish]

I like their demeanor. I like a lot about.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I think spurs win this game.

[Big Ish]

Yeah, I like them. I said I told you off. I was going to offer you a. A pass but I think the way that you talking. I'll just wait. Cuz I was going to say if you want it, you can just go ahead and I'll chop off half of the grand for the buyout right now. But if you want to wait, then I'll just take the G. When you.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

When you lose, I honor my bets.

[Big Ish]

I like that.

[Joe Button]

Stay.

[Big Ish]

Stay strong.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Stay strong.

[Joe Button]

Course.

[Big Ish]

Stay the course.

[Joe Button]

Yeah. Money going to take your money. Buy more Visu.

[Big Demona]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

Wait. What? Wait by what? That's a Vel. No. Yo.

[Big Ish]

Why the you playing with me? Y.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Why you playing with me today?

[Joe Button]

Yo, I thought a. That don't look like a. That don't look like.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

It don't look like a. It's different.

[Joe Button]

It's different. That ain't the shape of the beef, bro. I thought it was half. Yo, listen, everybody out there, have an amazing weekend. Kiss your loved ones. Remember Nixon 5. Y' all hold it down till next time. We'll be back.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Same thing.

[Joe Button]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's him. That's a fire. That's. That's me this weekend,

[Joe Button]

Huh? You got your bubble gut still going?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Mark, you really don't get what me going.

[Joe Button]

Well, we put it on BTS already. I showed the text where he was like, yo, I got the bubble. Every time you get bubble guts, it's cu.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You wear gray pants.

[Joe Button]

That's damn Juicy.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm Juicy. I loved.

[Joe Button]

I love Juicy. Juicy is the president of the Mark Fair Club. So I just be saying you could go. Go.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be good for the end of the show.

[Joe Button]

Well, you're not important. And go. Want to see what you got a walk look like?

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

What's your walk?

[Joe Button]

If he changed them jeans, his walk might be different on a pair of shorts.

[Big Ish]

Another one time, too.

[Joe Button]

You got some baggy jeans.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

That's true. Then you. You don't. You had a bubble guts. Three days.

[Joe Button]

I got got right out of my shits.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I was good.

[Joe Button]

Stupid. Nah, that's funny. All right, we done. This is hard. I don't know what this is. N that hard.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

You send that.

[Joe Button]

That over. It just went to the next song. What is this? They cooking. I never heard this.

[Brian]

I don't know.

[Joe Button]

Robbie Rob's Boriqua Anthem, 1994.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, send that over. Gotta get it done.

[Big Ish]

Gotta get it done.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Little gin.

[Big Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Button]

How long you gonna have it? Two days, right? You ain't gonna be for long.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I not going out there to.

[Joe Button]

I mean, that's. That's a quick boy. Please.

[Big Ish]

No.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm coming back Monday night.

[Brian]

He's going for the culture.

[Joe Button]

He go down there just to drop a load off real quick, boy. Make his balls feel a little lighter. And he going with the fresh spray on the corners. Yeah, they don't care.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Yeah, don't care.

[Joe Button]

You look good, man. Your audience. Y' all hold it down. Same time, same place next week, man. Till then, we love y', all, even if you don't love us. Go, Nicks, go. Next. That's my.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Right there.

[Joe Button]

El General and CNC Music Factory. Let's go. I ain't know CNC music Factory had more than the songs. I knew neither.

[Big Ish]

That right there, you know, speaking I it me.

[Joe Button]

Ego in the ass. So I meant to tell y', all, there's a school in Philadelphia. There's a school in Philadelphia.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

I hate this.

[Joe Button]

There's a. There's a school in Philadelphia where they. They took a trip. I'll tell you on Patreon. Man, Mark. Ass.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Look at that squirming.

[Joe Button]

Look at Mark.

[Dr. Mark Lamont Hill]

Turtle head, right?

[Joe Button]

All right, I got you right now, Mark. Let that. We'll fold that up right now. Who is that?