Episode 938 | "The 30 or The 60"

Summary

The Joe Budden Podcast – Episode 938 | "The 30 or The 60" (June 17, 2026)

Overview

This raucous, celebratory episode is all about the New York Knicks finally capturing the NBA championship after 53 long years. Joe Budden and his crew are in top form, soaking in the joy, recounting wild street celebrations, analyzing the Knicks’ playoff run, and clowning on everyone who doubted them—fans and pundits alike. While the show covers its usual blend of sports, music, and culture, the Knicks' triumph takes center stage, weaving through every conversation, roast, and reflection.

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Episode Structure

1. [00:30–13:30] – Knicks Championship: Raw Joy and New York Energy
2. [13:30–20:00] – The City Reacts—Parades, Wild Celebrations, and Knicks Lore
3. [20:00–37:00] – Knicks’ Journey, Legends, and Media Narratives
4. [37:00–57:00] – Finals Analysis: Key Moments, Player Praise, and Spurs Critiques
5. [57:00–66:00] – Victor Wembanyama in the Crosshairs
6. [66:00–81:00] – More Grueling for Spurs/Young Players — and Halftime Musings
7. [87:00–110:00] – Joe’s Story: "The 30 or The 60"
8. [110:00–127:00] – Hot Topics: Jay-Z, Target, NBA Draft Attitudes
9. [127:00–147:00] – Media Beef, James Harden Law Run-In, Grammy Changes, Tiny Desk Reactions
10. [163:00–210:00] – Relationships, Music, and Joyful Closer

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Knicks Euphoria and Championship Reactions

• [00:30–09:50]

  • The group erupts in pride and disbelief at the Knicks’ victory. Mark and Joe reminisce about decades of Knick fandom, with Joe shouting out his lifelong dedication.
  • “I started buying the newspaper daily as a 4-year-old…I was glued to what was happening with the Knicks for whatever rhyme or reason. At around ’87, ’88, I was there.” — Joe Budden (01:36)

• Bandwagon Call-Outs:

  • The crew roasts “fake fans,” bandwagon jumpers, and takes pride in outlasting years of disappointment.
  • “As a lifelong four-day Nick fan. My mom is a lifelong about six day Nick fan. There’s a lot of y’all out there.” — Joe Budden (01:01)

• Civic Spirit:

  • “The spirit of New York. Why are they playing with us, man? Are you shitting me? This feels great. There’s nothing that a human out there can say.” — Mark (02:20)

Citywide Pandemonium and Cultural Joy

• [04:05–06:53]
  • The cast details New York City’s wild celebrations: parades, street fires, climbing light poles, a handful of “fan violence” with dark humor, and collective catharsis.
  • “We climbed the light poles, we climbed the traffic lights. We only stabbed four people...that’s pretty good noise in here. Make some noise!” — Mark and Ebro (05:15)
  • “If we was giving out fan rings, like honorary rings, the niggas that got stabbed, you get a ring, big dog.” — Joe Budden (05:40)

Breaking Down the Knicks’ Run

• [06:38–09:57]
  • Recap of Knicks’ records: merchandise sales, largest Finals comebacks, and final victory stats.
  • “Broke the record for Finals viewership...the only team to do that in the history of the league with all of those comebacks in the playoffs...and the second team is the 2025 Knicks.” — Joe Budden (06:54, 07:12)
  • Special pride in “underdog” roster: “Only championship team in Finals history to have five starters not drafted by the team. Talk about GM work.” — Joe Budden (08:55)

Reflections on Pain, Catharsis, and Knicks Lore

• [11:41–14:41]
  • Mark: “Some of us thought we would die, hit the grave, see pallbearers before we saw this.”
  • Emotional moments for multi-generational Knicks fans, and shout outs to deceased fans and celebrities.
  • “Shout out to all the Knick fans we lost. Yo, rest in peace, Al Trwig. Rest in peace, Clark Kent.” — Mark (14:58)

Media, Civic Identity, and Bandwagon Joy

• [16:13–17:43]
  • “There goes Queen City. Saint...Shout out to everybody that stormed 42nd street around that Port Authority and all that right after the win. Shout out to everybody New York moving around out here.” — Mark (17:18–17:43)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [09:57] Mark: “If you’re listening to this podcast and you don’t want to hear no Nick talk, just fast forward to Saturday...fast forward to next week. Jump in the fucking DeLorean or some shit.”
• [13:29] Mark: “We just had the most New Yorkest weekend we’ve ever had.”
• [34:05] Joe Budden thanks the Knicks' coaches, medical staff, and arena concession workers: “The Knicks were the healthiest team throughout. Even with the knickknack injuries. Health proved to be extremely important this playoff run.”

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Finals/Player Analysis and Championship Emotions

The Jalen Brunson Effect

• [37:48–39:27] The crew marvels at Jalen Brunson’s performance and his growth into a championship closer.
  • “Jalen Brunson, we have Jalen Brunson and they don’t...He’s going to get it, yo, dawg. And that’s against everybody.” — Joe Budden/Mark (37:47/38:09)

Comparing to Legends

• [39:27] Ebro: “This run, I don’t think outside of Jordan, I’ve never seen somewhere where it don’t matter what happens...Only two people. Jordan and Kobe.”

The “Just Put the Tip In” Callback

• [39:55] Flip/ Joe Budden: “Just put the tip in. Please let us just put the tip in...Who knew that it would relate to the most important Knicks victory of all time.”

Generational Stories

• [41:02] Flip talks to his grandfather: “I never thought I’d see another one in my lifetime.”

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Spurs and Victor Wembanyama Segment (Airing Grievances & Ceremony)

On Wembanyama’s Play and Attitude

• [51:16–56:50]
  • The crew goes in on Victor Wembanyama for his play, attitude, and lack of post-game sportsmanship. Themes: "talent isn’t enough," lack of humility, and the difference between European and NBA basketball cultures.
  • “And he put on a master class in how to be a bitch ass nigga.” — Joe Budden (54:07)
  • “He turned a lot of people off in his world debut.” — Cook (70:22)

Critique of Spurs Organization

• [48:32] Ebro: “This is not the Popovich Spurs of the past in terms of class.”
• [49:21] Cook: “Their style of play is different. The lack of discipline. Wimby…he’s gonna be the best player in the NBA. But he came up short, massively.”

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Joe Budden’s Story: “The 30 or The 60”

The Set-up

• [87:00–95:05]
  • Joe tells a wild, hilarious, and cautionary story about his son losing his phone in a stolen bag at a party. Using “Find My iPhone,” his son tracks the phone to a stranger’s house and, acting on principle, walks up and confronts them.

The “30 or the 60” Punchline

• [93:10]
  • “He said, do you want the 30 or the 60?…Do you want the 30-second fight, or do you want the 60-second fight? I said, what did you choose? He said, the 30. I said, how long did it go? He said, about 60.” — Joe Budden
• The table cackles and gives “tough love” parenting. The moral: call for help, don’t be a hero, and understand the possible consequences.

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Culture, Music & Hot Topics

Jay-Z Critique and the Target Boycott

• [110:32–117:46]
  • The group debates Jay-Z’s decision to release the "Reasonable Doubt" 30th Anniversary vinyl exclusively at Target, while a national boycott persists.
  • “Everything is nuanced, but at the end of the day it just starts to look, as Joe would say, it starts to look away. When every time there’s a boycott, you pop up working with those people.” — Cook (116:06)

NBA Draft Entitlement

• [122:10–126:10]
  • Discussion about Darren Peterson refusing to work out for teams except the #1 pick.
  • “Some of these kids, they just too entitled now. But you’ve had grown people kissing your ass since you’ve been in the sixth and seventh grade.” — Flip (119:57)
  • “You better be fucking Kyrie with the rock…We will see.” — Joe Budden (126:34)

James Harden’s Gun Arrest & Athlete Safety

• [133:01–135:00]
  • Lively debate on whether extremely rich athletes like Harden should personally carry firearms, or rely on security.
  • “You rather be caught with it than caught without it is step number one.” — Joe Budden (135:10)

LeBron on “Stay-at-Home Women”

• [184:32–190:35]
  • The hosts weigh in on LeBron James’ statement that he couldn’t be with a stay-at-home woman. Most agree real ambition/purpose is key—working or not.

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Other Noteworthy Segments

• Shout outs to music and Tiny Desk performances: Love shown to Joe Thomas and Eve.
• Commercial/Culture Critique: Quick shots at Tyra Banks/Netflix editing, new Grammy categories.
• Relationship Real Talk: Who would be a stay-at-home dad if their wife was wealthy? (“Eat me, baby.” — Flip [194:25])

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Notable Soundbites

• "This is a New York day." — Mark (41:45)
• "New York saved a lot of people, Mark included. So we not going to tolerate the disrespect when we changed your life." — Joe Budden (31:28)
• “If you’re listening from somewhere else in the world, New York is lit there.” — Mark (25:23)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Knicks Euphoria: 00:30–13:30
• “We Only Stabbed 4 People” & Parade Talk: 04:55–05:45
• Finals Records/Player Moves: 06:38–09:57
• The “30 or the 60” Story: 87:00–95:05
• Victor Wembanyama Drag: 51:16–66:00
• James Harden Gun Debate: 133:01–135:00
• LeBron “Stay-at-Home Woman” Hot Take: 184:32–190:35

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Closing Moments

The episode wraps with a triumphant montage of Knicks radio calls and a poetic soliloquy celebrating New York’s unity, spelling out the cultural impact of the team’s win and the episode’s feel-good, slightly chaotic vibe.

“Knicks fans, this is not a dream. Your long, long wait has ended. Go ahead and cry. After 53 years, the Knicks are finally NBA champions...” — Mark quoting the broadcast (206:57)

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Tone & Language

• The energy is jubilant, raw, and irreverent—lots of friendly roast battles, NY pride, and signature Joe Budden honesty.
• Frequent cursing, slang, sports fanaticism, and layered in-jokes—classic Joe Budden Podcast chemistry.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures the full flavor of the JBP: passionate, hilarious, a bit wild, and steeped in East Coast culture. The championship feels like a personal victory for the hosts and their city, and they use that joy as a lens to roast rivals, analyze sports culture, and reflect on real-life lessons.

If you love New York, basketball, or the chemistry of friends going all in on a win—they're celebrating for all of us.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

The thoughts, views and opinions expressed by this podcast whose bullets its hosts offer entertainment purposes only. I repeat, it is not serious. It is not real. No one is exposing, revealing, indicting, or telling you anything about themselves. Also, we do not encourage you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interests at heart or our own. Enjoy the show. You said groupie shit. You see you staying quiet.

[Ish]

Facts.

[Joe Budden]

You see a lot of groupy shit in this room.

[Ish]

I'm not engaging in groupie shit. Not engaging. Today. Today is the day the Knicks won. Act like it, boy. It's us team.

[Cook]

That's right, us.

[Ish]

No, I in team.

[Cook]

We did it, y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

This the tough thing about being a fan of a championship team. You gotta deal with niggas that you know wasn't fans. That's just rocking.

[Mark]

You gotta deal.

[Joe Budden]

My mom got on orange and blue.

[Mark]

She is.

[Ish]

She look lovely.

[Joe Budden]

She look absolutely magnificent. That's what's funny. That's what's funny about it. You smoked that Nick outfit. As a lifelong four day Nick fan. My mom is a lifelong about six day Nick fan. There's a lot of y' all out there.

[Ebro]

Yeah, but you're a Nick fan. So as your mom, she can claim that. She can claim that.

[Joe Budden]

Since 87. Talk about it now. When Bernard happened, I was there. I was there, King.

[Ebro]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

King, you're aware there. Fuck. As you talk pain, people.

[Mark]

Hasn't been six years like I was at the Garden.

[Joe Budden]

My momma tell you I started buying the newspaper daily as a 4 year old. I can call and she will attest to that. I was glued to what was happening with the Knicks for whatever rhyme or reason. At around 87, 88, I was there. Hey, I was playing ball in Lincoln park, right at the playground when the news broke. We got Chris Charles, Allen Houston and Larry Johnson in a day.

[Mark]

Oh, I ran for the park.

[Joe Budden]

I ran for the park like that Nike commercial. I've been crying since we won.

[Mark]

Hey, anybody that say anything about the Knicks?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, just crying in the elevators. You get in, they talking. Oh, how about them Knicks? Oh, before the game, Knicks in five. Knicks in five.

[Mark]

Knicks in five. Oh, my God, the spirit of New York. Why are they playing with us, man? Are you shitting me? This feels great. There's nothing that a human out there can say. Some of y' all are trying. Jalen Rose, that's my man, friend of the show, he tried.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's one championship. Not gonna work.

[Ebro]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's not gonna work. Now I know how it feels.

[Mark]

Yo, there is a difference. Sorry to tell you. There is a. Yo, there's a difference as a champion.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God.

[Mark]

Mark, y' all will get to the Eastern Conference final.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's something different about you. Some of our biggest detractors, Draymond Green, champion.

[Mark]

Paul Pierce, champion. There's some people out there that had

[Joe Budden]

horrible things to say about the Knicks. And once we won, their tune changed. They came around. And part of what that was, they said was, yo, I have a different level of respect for champions.

[Ebro]

Yeah, that's how it's supposed to go.

[Cook]

That's how it's supposed to go.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, for champions. I woke up the next day, some

[Mark]

of the news outlets was talking about, oh, can they keep this team together? And what is it, Nick fan, stop playing with me today. I ain't here for it today. Ain't nothing a human could do. Can you keep the team together?

[Ebro]

Don't matter, really.

[Cook]

Right?

[Mark]

Y' all was there for Lou Amundson. What are you talking about? Can we keep the team together?

[Joe Budden]

Daniel Dyson at home.

[Mark]

Go Dyson the fuck out of here. Alonzo Trier. There's nothing a human could say.

[Cook]

Are these real names? Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I know he's a real actual player. So today is not the day, man.

[Mark]

Thursday, tomorrow in New York City.

[Ebro]

Are you going?

[Joe Budden]

No. Smart. Hell no.

[Ebro]

I'm sure you can find someone with a house or something.

[Joe Budden]

I was thankful when fucking we won on Saturday. I was thankful when the Monday came. When I could drive to Saks 5th and it was smooth, no traffic. I was like, okay, look at us,

[Ebro]

New York bouncing back.

[Mark]

Hey, that. Clean up the streets. I made it to bergdorf in about 19 minutes. I said, look at New York in a great mood. Nobody went to work.

[Ebro]

Got that school bus out of there.

[Mark]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we burnt the shit out of that school bus. Yo. Yo, we burned the bus. What's wrong with them FIFA niggas being tired? Thinking they could leave the buses on 42nd street in New York City? Bye. Bye. Are you crazy? Do I got a book of matches on me?

[Ebro]

Yes.

[Mark]

Are you nuts? Hey, we fought the cops.

[Ish]

It was the Y N's. I was out there.

[Mark]

We fought the cops. They smacked the shit out of one of them cops.

[Joe Budden]

And then the other cops came. You know, the cops under pressure, they ain't shoot him. They made some. They ain't nothing.

[Cook]

They still whooping his ass right now, though.

[Joe Budden]

Well, maybe so.

[Cook]

I guarantee.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he earned that ass whooping.

[Mark]

Yeah, but he smacked the shit out of that cop. Hey, we climbed the light poles, we climbed the traffic lights. We only stabbed four people.

[Ebro]

That's pretty good.

[Mark]

That's pretty good noise in here. Make some noise. We only stabbed four people. That's it. If we was giving out fan rings, like honorary rings, the niggas that got

[Joe Budden]

stabbed, you get a ring, big dog.

[Mark]

Hey, we only shot one nigga in the foot.

[Ish]

42nd.

[Mark]

Only one nigga got shot just a foot in his foot. That's how much of a good mood New York was in. New York wasn't even aiming at. We wasn't even up here with it where you can live. Yo, you got a fancy. You got a daughter. Yo, we just shoot. Ate one foot. Not even. Not even.

[Ish]

Both. 17, though. He was 17.

[Joe Budden]

You can have kids at 17. What that mean? What that mean?

[Mark]

Yeah, nigga, you got your whole life to live, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Here. Pinky toe. Harlem night style.

[Mark]

Bop bop.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, man. He should get a ring. Nigga lost his little piggy toe or some shit. New York has been wonderful to witness. Tomorrow you gonna see the biggest parade that you've ever seen in your entire life. Congratulations. Congratulations to the Knicks. Oh, y' all about to see it on Thursday. Broke the record for merchandise sales, I'm sure.

[Flip]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Ebro]

That sure was hard, too.

[Joe Budden]

Broke the record. Broke the record for fucking. Damn. I forgot. What other record they broke? I forgot Finals. What else?

[Mark]

Oh, oh.

[Joe Budden]

Duh.

[Mark]

Finals. Finals.

[Joe Budden]

Audience, Viewers.

[Ebro]

Viewership.

[Joe Budden]

What is wrong with me?

[Mark]

How can I forget? How can I forget? Broke the record for Finals viewership. Hey, the first largest comeback, third largest comeback, and sixth largest comeback in NBA

[Joe Budden]

Finals history all in one Finals.

[Ebro]

It was a good Finals. It was fun.

[Joe Budden]

All in one Finals. The only team to do that in the history of the league with all of those comebacks in the playoffs. And the second team is the 2025 Knicks. Why do they play with us? Why do they play with us?

[Mark]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

You ready to pop?

[Mark]

Yeah. Mark, Shut the fuck up. Nah, I don't want to hear Mark voice yet. I don't need to hear from Mark. No Philly, nigga. We ran through Philly. We ran through Atlanta. We went. Ran through Cleveland. That's Ish.

[Ebro]

Hood.

[Mark]

You shut the fuck up. Ish. That's your hood, boy. You buying all the real estate out there. You got thousands of doors out there. We ra through your hood, nigga. Fuck is they talking about? Stop playing with us. Hey, only team in finals history to close out four series in a row on a road. On the road. Yo, yoin in the car, nigga.

[Flip]

I'm a Laker.

[Mark]

Nah, yawn in the car, boy.

[Flip]

I've been here before.

[Mark]

Yawn in the car.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a fuck, nigga. I don't wear none of that Lakers shit today.

[Mark]

I don't want you none of that shit. We up.

[Joe Budden]

You in New York, nigga, wherever the fuck you from.

[Mark]

Virginia, D.C. maryland, all that transplant head ass, boy. Hey, New York welcomes you. You found a home in New York, nigga. Yeah, yeah. You met your real friends out here, nigga. You met the love of your life. You met your fucking daughters mothers in New York. I don't want to hear that Laker shit today. You shut the fuck up and got the nerve to wear some shit. Talking about we are culture and can't fire a chicken. You shut the fuck up in here today, nigga. We not playing. Yeah, nigga.

[Ish]

New York.

[Mark]

That's the other thing beautiful about this

[Joe Budden]

New York Knicks team. Only team, only championship team in the history of the finals to have five starters not drafted by the team. Talk about general manager work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All five moves clowned when they happen.

[Ebro]

True.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact.

[Flip]

About who?

[Joe Budden]

Fans, fans, the media, Me, Dia, you, you, nigga. Oh, I didn't trash every move. I wasn't a fan of Cat for Julius and Dante, but boy, does it feel good to be.

[Flip]

It was a Brunson conversation. Driving to Queens too.

[Joe Budden]

Never, never, never. Not a one. Don't try to revision his history today, ladies.

[Flip]

I'll let you rock.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you'll find it then, I'm sure. When you go home and do research, I'll let you.

[Ish]

Don't ever tell like that.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, today is not the day. There's nothing that ish Mark or any other human can say. Today, we're champions.

[Mark]

Yo, if you're listening to this podcast and you don't want to hear no Nick talk, just fast forward to Saturday.

[Ebro]

Saturday might be too soon.

[Mark]

Yo, yo, fast forward to next week. Jump in the fucking DeLorean or some shit.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry, but it's happening today. That little 15 second skip button, that's not gonna get the job done.

[Mark]

This little town blues. Oh, melting away. I'm gonna make a brand new start of it in old

[Ish]

man.

[Mark]

Let me move the laptop.

[Joe Budden]

I need him to see me. I need them to see me.

[Mark]

If I can make it there, I'm going to make it. Anywhere. It's up to you. New York Mike Shake 12. New york.

[Joe Budden]

Time after time. Yeah, that's right. Mark, look away in the sky, boy. Mic check 12. Mic check 1212. Man, we never thought. We never thought this day would get here, man. Real Nick fans, some of us thought

[Mark]

that we would die, hit the grave, see pallbearers before we saw this. Oh, New York City. Can you say New York City? Shout out to all the New Yorkers all over the world. You know we take over hoods stop playing with us

[Ish]

wagon out of here.

[Mark]

Yo, Queens, what's going on out there? Yeah, fix up, freeze, Yo ho Uptown, whole Long island, whole Westchester and all that's.

[Ish]

Yo.

[Mark]

We just had the most New Yorkest weekend we've ever had. Shout out to all the Puerto Ricans out there. Puerto Rican Day parade. Shout out to all the World cup keeper.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to the new. I love when Mark looks like this, man. This is good. This is good, man. You probably even got some raisins in that humble pie. What you put? You put some extra in there. Some African, right?

[Mark]

Yes, sir. Whole uptown and downtown we ain't forget about you Wall street and all that Canal and all that we love Les Even y' all dirty asses Williamsburg and all that Brooklyn.

[Ish]

Got you coming out your crib My hand is short. Another fo yo.

[Mark]

Shout out to all the Knick fans we lost. Yo, rest in peace, Al Trwig. Rest in peace. Clark Kent.

[Joe Budden]

That's how ill Nike was in the Nike commercial with homeboy running. He had on the Clark Kent high top. Nick Air Force one. That's fire.

[Ish]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Budden]

Way. Way to pay attention to detail, Clark. We miss you and we love you, man.

[Cook]

Regardless, remorseless like poltergeist.

[Joe Budden]

My advice like that.

[Mark]

Oh, what's my man too that died.

[Joe Budden]

Big Nick fan.

[Mark]

Philip Seymour Hoffman. Big white dud. Rest in peace, Philip Seymour Hoffman, man.

[Ebro]

Doom.

[Joe Budden]

Mf.

[Mark]

Doom Doom. Yes.

[Flip]

Tony Soprano.

[Joe Budden]

Another big, big Tony Soprano.

[Cook]

Rest in peace.

[Mark]

Rest in Pe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we might have to do that, man. I'm playing this. Queen's got a lot of records I deem as like New York anthems. Yeah, yeah. I think they might have the most. We should figure that out at some point.

[Flip]

We could do that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure Brooklyn has something to say about that. But I still don't think they be Queens. They got Brooklyn anthems.

[Ebro]

They don't got New York anthems as much.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cook]

They're more Brooklyn specific.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but the Brooklyn has empire state of mind rocking.

[Ebro]

True.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure Biggie has some. Cause Preem got a bunch. Preem get a lot of money when New York just does something right.

[Mark]

Preem got all the records.

[Ebro]

Yeah,

[Joe Budden]

it ain't hard to tell.

[Mark]

Look at that.

[Joe Budden]

Another transplant. Pre, we don't even know he from Houston.

[Mark]

That's a New York. Yo. You come here and you make this your home. There's nothing like it in the world, I'm telling you. There goes Queen City. Saint.

[Flip]

Much more, son.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, man, rcp.

[Cook]

Shout out to all the ladies out

[Mark]

there Shout out to everybody that storm 42nd street around that Port Authority and all that right after the win Shout out to everybody New York moving around out here.

[Flip]

Want to clap me, want to rap

[Joe Budden]

me Put it right where they gap

[Mark]

Keep my th close to me and

[Joe Budden]

the babies even closer Send the kites with the motor rollers y Give him the gold shoulder with a hollow tip to match Bad apple out of the

[Mark]

bat obsessed with gas since a little

[Joe Budden]

dude eating full buck dippings could kill me but they coming with me.

[Mark]

How about that. Original remix?

[Ebro]

Original or remix? Remix. Original.

[Joe Budden]

What's the remix?

[Ebro]

This is the remix. The original is just prodigy.

[Cook]

Oh, that answers your question.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Mark]

Oh, no.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna go with the remix on this one. One of Lil Kim's best verse.

[Guest]

Out there.

[Mark]

Shout out to everybody in their cars moving around Everybody at the airport's on vacation Shout out to the graduates out there let's go. Whole white plains and all that. Everybody in the boogie down Shout out to everybody on Fordham, everybody on Sedgwick everybody on Kingsbridge Everybody in Gun Hill they talking about.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna be absolutely insufferable for at least half of the day.

[Cook]

Day.

[Flip]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Mark]

At least half the day.

[Joe Budden]

And I got a hard out. And I got a hard out.

[Ish]

You going la.

[Cook]

I tell you that, man.

[Joe Budden]

I got to show them how we do.

[Mark]

I got your. How we move around, man. Go up town. You know what this is that Mark sending the longest text in the world, boy. Hey, ain't nobody left the text, Mark. Put that dusty ass phone away. We lit the next one. The next one?

[Joe Budden]

He wasn't here for that.

[Ish]

Are you really spending time on this, boy?

[Mark]

He was in your bag. Wait a minute. Yo, we've been waiting a long time, man. We talk about the financial capital of the world. We talk about the marketing capital of the world. We talk about what some people say is the food capital of the world. We talk about New York City.

[Cook]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

I wonder if he sells the team now with the value at an all time high.

[Cook]

I hope so.

[Joe Budden]

Hell, though, there's a trend in that. There's a trend in The NBA with. And the Seahawks just did that. Yeah, they waited till they won when the value was all the way high, and then they sold for some astronomical number. I don't really see Dolan doing that

[Ebro]

either after watch that pregame or pre playoff speech. That don't sound like a guy that's ready to sell.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, he told them dudes. He told them dudes not to go. Tell your girl, do me a favor. Don't have sex for the next 10 weeks.

[Ebro]

We'll get her a ring.

[Joe Budden]

Can you please just be focused and dedicated?

[Mark]

I'm on the bandwagon. Yo, listen to him, man. I'm on the bandwagon. Yo. Shout out to the bandwagon, Nick fans. Shout out to the Nick fans all over the world, yo, what we did this playoffs? What the fans did this playoffs.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, the team won, but the way

[Mark]

y' all took over buildings, the way y' all bought tickets on the road, the way y' all showed up and had every opponent's star player before the playoffs talking about, please don't let Nick

[Joe Budden]

fans take over our bill building.

[Ebro]

Sorry.

[Flip]

And they did.

[Mark]

We've been such a quiet franchise for

[Joe Budden]

so long because Nick fans know we've been ass. Yeah, that.

[Mark]

You forget about all. You forget about the star quality of the brand. You forget about the equity that the

[Joe Budden]

brand built and the Knick fans, the

[Mark]

New Yorkers that have moved all over the world.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, it's still New York. Yeah, at the end of the day, it's still New York. Nah, honestly, Honestly. San Antonio learned the hard way. We're gonna talk about it.

[Mark]

We gonna talk about it. But right now, we party. We partying, though.

[Joe Budden]

Oh,

[Mark]

don't worry. We got a pod to do at some point.

[Joe Budden]

We'll get to it. Let Mark finish this text.

[Cook]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, he put the phone up.

[Cook]

Yeah, my agent, he's.

[Joe Budden]

He's going to hit me back eventually. My agent, mute up desperate.

[Mark]

My agent, keep me the out of here. Yo, rest in peace, Pop smoke, man.

[Joe Budden]

Anybody here going to the parade?

[Flip]

My little brother trying to drag me with him. I think I might go. My little brother's trying to drag me like, yo, come on. Yo, go with me, please. Come on, let's go.

[Joe Budden]

My brother's going. I might go with him. I know a lot of people that's going. I wouldn't dare.

[Cook]

They'll put you on, like, a special float.

[Joe Budden]

That's what my brother called to say. Yo, let's try and get on the float, nigga. No.

[Ebro]

Why you on the float?

[Cook]

You good?

[Joe Budden]

I think he should be on it. Thank you for that. I will be home. I will be home watching, soaking it in.

[Ebro]

Pump it up. Float, man.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not going to regret it at all. I watched the game at home. I watched the game at home by myself and had the time of my life. Crying in bed nonstop.

[Flip]

Have y' all ever done a parade?

[Joe Budden]

Like, been to a championship parade?

[Cook]

No, it's fine. I wanted to go in 08, and I was like, I'll just go next year if we go. And then we lost in game six to the Yankees.

[Joe Budden]

I stopped going to parades. Puerto Rican Day parade, New York City, 1998. I was in the meeting, the melee. I was. I was. I was over there when they.

[Ish]

Boy, with the situation.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I was right there. We booked it out of there in 98. In 98.

[Cook]

Puerto Ricans.

[Joe Budden]

You can play with them. Will kill you. Kill you.

[Mark]

They'll kill you now.

[Joe Budden]

But there's a gang name. I was asking, like, huh? When did that stop? They still killing like that?

[Cook]

The Puerto Ricans? No, everybody kills.

[Joe Budden]

That's not true.

[Mark]

Crime is down. Stop paying New York like that.

[Cook]

Shout out to my Donnie.

[Mark]

Oh, Mark. Mark, you had to put that ring.

[Joe Budden]

All right, let's end this thing the way we supposed to end it, man. Come on. Y' all know what time it is. Let's end this thing the right way, man. We got a pod to do.

[Mark]

If you're listening from somewhere else in the world, New York is lit there. You damn.

[Joe Budden]

Rest in peace. Yeah, we done lost too many, man.

[Mark]

Yo, the birthplace of hip hop is

[Joe Budden]

feeling good right now, man. We.

[Mark]

We gave y' all that, too. We gave y' all that, too. We gave y' all dapper dead and hip hop. And y' all got the nerve to talk bad about ourselves. Watch y' all mouth out there.

[Joe Budden]

Is this 938. It's the Knicks championship episode. Ain't no number on this episode.

[Mark]

938 Y. What episode? You said this was 9:38 wor.

[Joe Budden]

It's the Knicks championship episode. Episode.

[Mark]

It's what park says and what the.

[Ish]

Who drop.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't play. Oh, drawn up.

[Mark]

Who was that?

[Joe Budden]

You don't get no drop, nigga.

[Mark]

Speed up.

[Joe Budden]

Today ain't no drop on the championship episode. We ain't honoring no Philly niggas today. That was talking shit the whole way through

[Ish]

from the Weber nitty era.

[Mark]

It's the network, all right?

[Joe Budden]

If you've been under a rock, if you've been sleep or in a Coma. If you've been in a hospital. Our prayers go out to you. If you sick or battling some. Anybody fighting a private battle. Anybody been going through things. Life getting too tumultuous at the moment for you to have tuned in or turned the TV on. Some of y' all don't even have TVs out there. But you've been on the train. That's where the niggas that don't have TVs be at. On the train. And I know they been wilding on the train. If you've been on the bus. MTA path train. The bus driver pulled over in the middle of the route.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

To start dancing with the fans.

[Ebro]

What about to move anyway up.

[Flip]

The best of it. You weren't going away.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to know that. My bus driver can hit the up, jump the boogie just at any given point. That's New York City for you.

[Ebro]

Boy.

[Ish]

It was getting like New York has

[Joe Budden]

been so New York. It has been absolutely on fire. When we won, you could hear the screams from across the water. Times Square was nuts.

[Ebro]

It was fourth of July. My bad.

[Flip]

Backyard.

[Ebro]

It went crazy in the back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, I saw.

[Ebro]

And then it was just raining gunpowder for like 10 minutes.

[Cook]

Kind of up the party, but stay classy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Gunpowder was coke. Them was doing park parks in his.

[Mark]

If it was raining coke, it would have been a different party back then.

[Joe Budden]

Everywhere you could go. Shout out to the people that have been hosting the watch parties again. This episode is brought to you by Fueled by Powered by Prize picks. Prize picks, gang. Speaking of. Vegas didn't believe in us. Shout out to everybody that won money along this playoff run if you would have actually put something on it for every time the Knicks won. You came up super up. True. Vegas didn't believe they had the spur. The spurs by six in game five. I'm like, yo, what fucking playoffs have you been watching?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Elmo didn't believe that was Elmo. Got the nerve to pull his phone out of his furry pocket. Talking about, I hope both teams have fun.

[Ebro]

Elmo.

[Mark]

We know. We know where you from, dog. Are you crazy?

[Cook]

Y' all see his head on the pole yesterday in New York.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Cook]

Y' all got problems.

[Mark]

Did you see yours? That's what Elmo's head on the pole. What say you?

[Flip]

Yours head on the spike, son. That's crazy.

[Mark]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to ask for that, though.

[Ebro]

He did. He did.

[Mark]

What do you mean you?

[Joe Budden]

Both teams had fun. And we done watched you on a New York stoop.

[Mark]

Your Whole life we smacked the out of Elmo.

[Joe Budden]

Indeed.

[Ebro]

Dead ass.

[Mark]

Yeah. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, they didn't believe Elmo. They didn't believe Quinn Snider, who's still up analytically. He didn't believe James Harden. He didn't believe League. Becky Hammond.

[Mark]

Becky Hammond.

[Cook]

I need to leave Becky alone.

[Joe Budden]

Becky.

[Mark]

Why?

[Ebro]

Why?

[Mark]

Why?

[Cook]

Are you serious?

[Mark]

Come on, Ca. Why?

[Cook]

It's not caping. It's. It's like she made a prediction two years ago. She got it wrong. Every pundit in the world got it wrong. But they. They want her to issue an apology to protest.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

It wasn't just got it wrong. It wasn't.

[Flip]

It was.

[Ebro]

She put some extra sauce on that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

So did everybody else.

[Ish]

You.

[Cook]

You think what she said is different than what. What. What Stephen A said is different than what half the league said? Like you said. Everybody counted y' all niggas out. Everybody said Jalen Rose. Excuse me? Everybody said Jalen Brunson. They overpaid. Bad move. He's not a one A guy. Half the league said that. Half the pundits said that.

[Flip]

I'm just saying, like, now it's time for them to eat.

[Cook]

They fucking did say, yeah, you got it wrong. You just be like, yo, I was wrong. That's it. But she didn't.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even need.

[Cook]

No, no, but I'm saying people give X compellation.

[Mark]

We don't need. We don't need

[Ish]

speaking French.

[Mark]

We don't understand you, boy. You're not gonna speak English.

[Cook]

You wouldn't understand.

[Ish]

We don't understand you. You could dis me, dis me.

[Joe Budden]

Jokes don't even hit after we won the championship.

[Ish]

Suck. You stand in the sixes.

[Mark]

You standing there with a sad face with on your face. This New York. You had to come over here to

[Ish]

get money with us. We taught you how to be you again. Remember that?

[Mark]

We taught you how to tie back on you when they turn it back, turn up.

[Joe Budden]

We stating facts.

[Mark]

New York saved a lot of people, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Mark included. So we not going to toss tolerate the disrespect when we changed your life.

[Ish]

The New York.

[Joe Budden]

That's all we say is the one

[Cook]

that took me out.

[Mark]

The United nations is up the street. What the are you talking about?

[Cook]

New York rule my life.

[Joe Budden]

You had no business pulling that little move.

[Mark]

I don't really blame.

[Joe Budden]

I don't blame them so much. Oh, man. Yo.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, where do we start? Thank Mike Brown for Mike Brown.

[Ebro]

He killed him.

[Ish]

Who?

[Joe Budden]

People don't remember. Mike Brown lost his Job. He got fired from Sacramento the day after he did the post game press conference and questioned De' Aaron Fox's basketball IQ. They fired him immediately, 18 hours later. It's just so much poetic shit that happened during that looks. Yeah, in hindsight, everything looks poetic. This was Mike Brown getting his spin back on de' Aaron Fox. I honestly didn't. I know that we are a great road team. And I've been saying that the team that plays at home in the finals, that has to do all that media and deal with your family and friends. I see how that could be a deterrent because we didn't play well at home and. But when it came to game five and I was on the fence, don't laugh at me. This is just. Long time Knicks. I never seen no shit like this before. But they started putting out the videos of Jalen Brunson's tweet from 11 years ago, a day before they won the college championship, talking about where one went

[Flip]

away, one went away.

[Joe Budden]

And that happened to be. It was like 11 years to the sale. Six, 13.

[Cook]

No.

[Joe Budden]

And then another genius went and added up every game that Carl Anthony Towns has played in his entire career. High school, college and NBA. Know the total.612. That game it was there. Yo was 613.

[Ebro]

We getting some number numerologies.

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about, listen. Then in this, in. In the air, they started pointing to the only banner that we got up there, big red. And it said 6, 13. And then something else happened with 613. It was too much going on with 613. Then they started talking about reminding people how Jalen and the Villanova people, last time they won the college championship, it was in San Antonio. Cause Jalen Brunson is extremely comfortable in San Antonio.

[Ebro]

It appears that way. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We've seen Knick fans know that. Cause that game that we lost, we lost by three. But it was really like five or something. Because Jalen Brunson hit that three baseline by the spurs bench when the time ran out. So that means the spurs had won by two. But him even hitting that shot, like, he's just comfortable. He's a different level of comfortable out there. Thank you to Mike Brown. Let me get some thank yous out the way. Thank you to all of the Knicks assistant coaches. Rick Brunson, I can't say enough about you as an assistant coach and a football father. Like there were times where we caught you bouncing in between both. Yeah, like when dear Fox tried to pipe up and get tough. It was a Few moments in the playoffs where you switched hats seamlessly, people didn't know how you would work. They were calling for your job. When Tibbs left, how you worked with Mike Brown was absolutely amazing. Chris. Chris Gent. The job you did, spectacular. Mo Cheeks over there, Big Mark Bryant over there. There. The medical staff, like the. The Knicks were the healthiest team throughout. Even with the knickknack injuries. Health proved to be extremely important this playoff run. So shout out to them. Shout out to the people that work the concession stands over there, the people that just been in the trenches. The. The whole season, I've been seeing y' all and talking to y'.

[Ebro]

All.

[Joe Budden]

So, like, the season did have a different kind of, like, spirit to it.

[Ebro]

Next season's gonna be full for you.

[Joe Budden]

And expensive.

[Ebro]

That, too.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and expensive. But next season is going to be. It is going to be fun.

[Ebro]

That first game. What?

[Joe Budden]

This ride was fun. Yo, I think some of y. I think some of y' all know, like, I expected the Knicks to make it to the Finals.

[Flip]

You said that.

[Ish]

You said that.

[Flip]

You said it. You was like, finals or. Or. Or blow it up.

[Joe Budden]

I expected us to make it to the Finals. Even when they was talking that Sixers, I was like, yo, respectfully, you called it earlier. They're not our people. Like, we gotta go and get where we. Where we gotta go. So I expected to see them make it. I also thought that they could beat the spurs or the Thunder.

[Flip]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

What I did not expect this run, and no Nick fan could have, was the sheer and utter dominance that was displayed by this team. I'm not here to argue they place in history. I know that they have historic numbers. I know that they went on a historic number run. I'm not playing the history game. I'm just elated.

[Ebro]

You should be. As a lifelong Knick fan, this got to be the greatest shit that's ever happened to you. Because, like you said, we never thought that they were going to do this,

[Joe Budden]

because I started to get feelings that I've never had before run through my body. And I started to understand championship at every round, especially with 8 minutes and 40 seconds left in the fourth quarter of Game 5, when Jalen Brunson.

[Ebro]

That's when I checked 36 chambers.

[Joe Budden]

When Jalen Brunson checked in. Yo, Knicks fans is so crazy. When the fourth quarter started, I see the Knicks fans tweeting up, game started.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Not a game started.

[Flip]

I see niggas saying it like, yo, all right, now the game is starting.

[Joe Budden]

Game started. Come on, yo, dog, after you come down from.

[Flip]

After you come back from 29 down.

[Joe Budden]

That's the belief.

[Flip]

I don't care what your fourth quarter of the game.

[Joe Budden]

But what I'm saying is when Jalen Brunson checked in the game, and this is in the middle of Harper going crazy.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Wimy's out there still. Castle is back in doing nothing once. It got to 4 minutes left. 4 minutes, 3 minutes and 30 seconds left. I got this feeling in my body that I never had before, which was, oh, shit.

[Ebro]

It could happen.

[Flip]

It could happen. No, no, it's.

[Joe Budden]

We're going to win.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Because we have Jalen Brunson and they don't.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Cook]

Yeah, that's good enough. I.

[Mark]

As a Nick, you know, I never

[Joe Budden]

had that feeling of no matter who's

[Mark]

across homeboy right here, we betting on him, bro.

[Flip]

He wasn't betting on him. He wasn't taking no for.

[Joe Budden]

He's going to get it, yo, dawg.

[Mark]

And that's against Everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Even though CJ McCollum did get a little crazy for a second. CJ McCollum did get a little crazy for a second. But no matter who you put across

[Mark]

from him, I'm like, yo, he's about

[Joe Budden]

to go win the game. He had a look in his eyes. He was moving with a certain. He hunted Victor Wembanyama. He hunted him.

[Flip]

Right even.

[Joe Budden]

That's poetic, right? To see how OKC dealt with homeboy versus how a New York nigga everybody ran from. He was gonna deal with that. Niggas ran from him. They went right after that boy. They went. They went right at.

[Flip]

Was like, no, you come here.

[Joe Budden]

He went right at that.

[Flip]

Come out here.

[Mark]

That little.

[Joe Budden]

That little cross.

[Mark]

He into the leg with the off hand while he's right.

[Ebro]

Oh, my.

[Joe Budden]

Stop. Oh, my God.

[Flip]

When he hit him with the.

[Joe Budden]

The starting stop, he kept.

[Flip]

Yeah, that was. That was the one.

[Joe Budden]

No, he killed. He killed them. He killed them. We just had the best player, the most clutch player playing opposite the 20, 22 clutch player, player making him look just like Silly Putty out there. I know y' all keep telling shots, sga. I know, I know, I know. Dearon Fox, whoever wins this clutch award,

[Mark]

one that won it, he's really that.

[Ebro]

He is.

[Joe Budden]

He is.

[Mark]

He's really that.

[Ebro]

No question.

[Mark]

None.

[Joe Budden]

You can say one of the best I've ever seen.

[Ebro]

And this run, I don't think outside of, like, Jordan, I've never seen somewhere where it's like, it don't matter what happens.

[Flip]

Only two people.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Jordan and Kobe.

[Joe Budden]

How much more can you say? Some of this shit has been in the stars. Some of this shit has just been in the universe. Game four, appropriately titled. Something that we've said forever and never knew it would relate to the most important Knicks victory of all time.

[Flip]

Just put the tip in.

[Joe Budden]

Please let us. Please let us just put the tip in. Yo, yo. Please, can we put this.

[Guest]

That's it.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. We've been saying it for ages.

[Flip]

That's all we need.

[Joe Budden]

And that's all they need. It been right in front of us right there. Who knew that it would relate to the og? Oh, my God, man.

[Mark]

Has anybody else been crying?

[Cook]

Has anybody else after game two, how

[Joe Budden]

you don't cry, seeing Pat Ewing and Jalen Brunson. Pat Ewing, John Stark's day get in the ring, how you don't cry, Seeing Rick Brunson hug his son, how you don't cry.

[Mark]

It's been too many moments. But where. Even if you don't relate to nothing basketball. How you don't cry to see three

[Joe Budden]

college niggas win it there and then win it in the league.

[Mark]

How you don't cry seeing The Knicks starting five emulate the fucking.

[Joe Budden]

The Knicks 73 championship picture with Walt Frazier and all them.

[Mark]

Like, it's so much to get emotional about.

[Flip]

I talked to my.

[Ish]

Today.

[Flip]

Today is my grandfather's 85th birthday. Happy birthday.

[Joe Budden]

Love you. Shout out to Grandpa. Lifelong Knicks fan.

[Flip]

So I talked to him right after the game, and he's just like, yo, I never thought I would see another one in my lifetime. Like, that's the older Knick fans who've been there from the 70s, 80s, who went through the ups and downs. When you talk to them, that's when

[Joe Budden]

it get a little emotional for me.

[Flip]

Like, I'm talking to family members who've just been. We ain't expect it. They never believe we would get back.

[Joe Budden]

I. I think we as in them. I'm a Sixers fan.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Cook]

You know, I don't talk about this a lot, but I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you another extremely professional grifter. So I seen you with your Knicks garb on, and I appreciate that, my G. I seen you take to the streets with your Knicks clothes on.

[Flip]

Oh, no, I had to experience that you had on.

[Joe Budden]

There we go.

[Mark]

No, I'mma keep it a buck. Don't Sixer me to death today. This is a New York day.

[Guest]

I stand.

[Mark]

Let me. Let me. You down, nigga.

[Guest]

No, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

Wow. Let me explain that wifey had the Knick shit on Nigga, missing piece.

[Flip]

We got invited.

[Cook]

Why you ain't stand ten toes? I was like, my man from Philly who had that spurs jersey on trash and all them New York Knicks fans.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, we got invited to a watch party that was a half a block away from msg. All Knick fans.

[Flip]

And I've been saying, like, yo, with this going on, like, y' all know the energy even in Jersey felt different. It was just a electrifying energy just sweeping through the area. So I'm like, yo, I need to got a grift. No, it wasn't grifting. Cause I didn't post shit. I'm not doing it for the gram. I'm not doing it for none of that. I did it to be in the mix to. I just need. I needed to experience that. Ain't no telling the next time.

[Cook]

You could have just got nothing. Like, you no team.

[Flip]

No, no, no, no. You have to be.

[Cook]

You can wear a white T shirt.

[Flip]

I'm cool.

[Joe Budden]

I had on some Knicks shorts and a Knick shirt. I'm in a Knicks hat.

[Flip]

If I'm out there with the Knicks fans, I'm celebrating with y'.

[Cook]

All.

[Joe Budden]

They lost that game that I went.

[Flip]

That I was out there with.

[Joe Budden]

So what? Just to be in the city, in the mix, we blaming that on Troy Trump, too.

[Flip]

Yeah, that was for sure.

[Joe Budden]

We blaming that. And it's safe to assume that it was Trump.

[Cook]

That's actually.

[Joe Budden]

That's the only game we lost since CJ and them, man.

[Cook]

No, I. I wouldn't do that, but. And I didn't root for the Knicks. But once it's over, you shake the other team's hand and say, good game. Right? I mean, they didn't. Yeah, they didn't.

[Joe Budden]

That was some corny shit.

[Cook]

I mean, the metaphor. The metaphorical shake, that's. That's part of why I'm happy that y' all are happy. You know what I'm saying? And specifically, what I mean mean is the storylines are great. I love Rick Brunson. I know Rick since I was in high school. Like, he's a great guy. His son's a great guy. Watching him raise his head, I love watching those videos pop back up from when he was training him as a kid. That's a beautiful story. Watching three Villanova guys who by all accounts, are good guys. I don't know all three of them, but they're good guys by all accounts. That's great. Watching the organization struggle is great. Watching fans who've been. Y' all been suffering for 53 years. I mean, that shit's amazing to watch.

[Joe Budden]

It's fire, bro.

[Cook]

I hope Spike Lee gets a ring, by the way. He gotta get moving as one of the longest, if not the longest, like front row, long suffering Knicks fans traveling everywhere. I love that, man. So I love all the storylines. I love Mike Brown's story, like you said, watching him get rejected. And for all them kids out there watching basketball that's told, they're too slow, not tall enough, don't jump high enough, whatever. To see a story like Jay Les Brunson, who is phenomenally skilled, you know what I mean? In addition to his work ethic, to watch him achieve at the highest level is beautiful. I mean, it was a New York way to win. And the fact that the only game y' all lost in recent memory, like you said, was from Trump.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Cook]

You also get to throw a dart at him. I mean, it's fucking. It's kind of poetic.

[Joe Budden]

It don't get more Broadway than the Knicks. Two home games in the finals with Trump in game three and that big ass comeback in game four.

[Cook]

Yeah, it's perfect.

[Joe Budden]

You can't script it. You can't script it better than that. Yo, if they would have showed me what Jalen Brunson was trying to have those San Antonio fans kicked out the building about, if they would have told me earlier, I'd have knew we was going to win, I'd have put the house on it. Like, I thought they had said some racist crazy shit to him, the way he reacted. But then some footage came out. It looked like they had just said, yo, you hairy as hell.

[Flip]

What?

[Joe Budden]

No, they put the footage up. I've been home. I haven't gone anywhere. So I have consumed all things. Nick's paws.

[Ish]

What?

[Cook]

Nah, this borderline.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All he said was, yo, hairy ass arms.

[Flip]

That's it, though.

[Joe Budden]

That's all that was in the video. I said, they ain't say a racist thing. Jalen went over. They get the.

[Mark]

Yo, if they would have showed me that. If they would have showed me that, man, I knew we was going to win. Shout out to Alan Hahn, man. Come on. Shout out to Monica McNutt. Shout out to. Yo, you know what was beautiful to hear? Our media pundits and our analysts, our expert analysts that, that call these games, some of them you didn't even know

[Joe Budden]

was Nick F. Yeah, right.

[Mark]

It was unearthed.

[Joe Budden]

We all loved Mike Breen calling the game for sure. And at the end of this pod, I'll play his amazing call where it was like yo, you're not dreaming, dog. By then I was, boo.

[Mark]

Big fans. Go ahead and cry. It's been, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the time he said, you are not dreaming. And then when Monica McNutt said, oh,

[Joe Budden]

if there's a love letter, if there's a chance for an organization to write a love letter to it, she body

[Mark]

that,

[Cook]

yo, I love Monica.

[Mark]

What?

[Ebro]

She's great.

[Ish]

She killed that.

[Mark]

She's been great. Hey, Monica, we riding, yo. We ain't letting them swifties do that to you. They talk about, where my hat on the floor.

[Joe Budden]

Let me get my hat on these, please. These niggas. These niggas talking about, yo.

[Mark]

It's so.

[Joe Budden]

It's so much to be just thankful for.

[Mark]

What I will say.

[Joe Budden]

And again, congratulations to the Knicks. Shout out to. Shout out to Mikelle Bridges immediately after the win. Getting drunk and going on July, boy. Real New York classic lives too. I know. No, he was letting the hammer.

[Cook]

People didn't know he talked like that.

[Joe Budden]

People was like, letting the hammer go. He was like, yeah, Shame it.

[Mark]

Shame it. Got busy. Shammy was on a team last year. How did he play? Who didn't play?

[Ish]

Shame it.

[Joe Budden]

Since I'm at 10. Sent some of the fucking.

[Flip]

The.

[Joe Budden]

He got a shot in the Greek freak. The France boy sent some at him. Prince Wimby. He sent him a ratchet, said build a statue for Jalen. He was getting shit for that big head. Yeah, the big head. He was as drunk as could be. And then OG go on Good Morning

[Cook]

America, yo, I ain't never seen nobody that high on TV before.

[Joe Budden]

Going out of his mind.

[Mark]

Yo, why do they have you do press that song?

[Cook]

That's the question.

[Flip]

I'm with you. You shouldn't have to do that.

[Cook]

He didn't like I'm turned up. He didn't, bro.

[Joe Budden]

He was gone.

[Cook]

It was like they didn't know he asked the question. He was just standing there, like, staring out in the space.

[Mark]

They.

[Guest]

At one point, they.

[Flip]

Can you smile?

[Joe Budden]

Nah. He was going, they shouldn't make people do that type of person do that. Yeah. After a win like that, man. Shout out to. Shout out to Jordan's pink clutch. I mean, orange clutch. Shout out to the lucky bag. Lucky bag. What I will say is where I started this series on Victor Wembanyana. Or as Skip famously named victim, Wembign. That was a great classic. Classic Skip coming out with the body

[Flip]

bag and everything, too, Yo.

[Cook]

I hate when people make Skip look right.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta say, this is not the

[Ebro]

same spurs organization of the Past it is not in terms of class.

[Flip]

No way. No way.

[Cook]

I am.

[Ebro]

Oh, so that was a classless walking off without handshakes.

[Cook]

Part of why. And I hate the Knicks fans. Right. But look who's coming. But the reason why I was so inclined to root for the spurs as opposed to just staying neutral was because I have. I hate Knicks fans, but I also have a tremendous amount of respect for the Spurs. How they build organizations. Popovich and R.C.

[Joe Budden]

buford.

[Ish]

You know.

[Cook]

True. He's great. Yeah. Everything and every piece of this in the series was very unspursed. Like, it didn't feel like spurs culture from us, the cart, the intros.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

In game one just won.

[Joe Budden]

They did that.

[Cook]

It's just disgusting to think about. And then.

[Joe Budden]

And didn't win a home game.

[Flip]

How about that?

[Joe Budden]

You learned a home game after a while.

[Flip]

All right. Let's not antagonize them maybe.

[Cook]

Right. Right. That was an issue for me. Their style of play is different. The lack of discipline. Win Binyama. I mean, I like aggressive, physical basketball, but there's a difference between that and just blatant dirty. And there's a couple that I thought actually dirty were dirty.

[Ebro]

That flager, when he stepped underneath Brunson's shop.

[Cook]

Yeah. In his landing space was crazy. The press conferences I didn't like.

[Ebro]

Damn.

[Mark]

He punched him in the head.

[Cook]

I understand walking into a locker room and saying. And we sort of talked about this before. Like saying, look, y' all are the better team. If you play your game, you win. Cool. You tell teams that you don't go to the presser. Especially after losing. And say that.

[Mark]

Down two zero.

[Flip]

And say that.

[Joe Budden]

You know, yo, we still better than them.

[Cook]

Right?

[Ish]

You.

[Cook]

You. I don't think that's the right attitude. Not. Not with these young guys. And some of it is you. You know what I mean? And Wimby.

[Ish]

Honestly.

[Cook]

And I love Wimby. I think he's a. I think he's a step below what everybody else does. But I think he's an amazing. He's going to be the best player in the NBA.

[Joe Budden]

That. But few steps.

[Cook]

But he came up short a few times. And as much as massively. Yeah. And as much as de' Aaron Fox is he. Y' all should. Damn. They made him mvp.

[Joe Budden]

Go down. I don't want to. I don't want to get in them yet. I want to stay right where I'm staying.

[Flip]

With Wimby.

[Cook]

I'm saying with Wimby. I'm saying as much as de' Aaron Fox is catching The Wimby should, too.

[Ebro]

Yeah, he should.

[Cook]

Wimby's the one who missed two free throws, multiple cuts. He's the one who threw the ball to his teammates back. There's two games that could have gone very different. And look, y' all were destined. You're gonna win. So I'm not saying I woulda, coulda, shoulda. But I'm just saying, like, if you're putting blame on people, the best players, you gotta start with the best player on the team who comes up short. And then when you walk off the court, you should be finding to shake their hand. You should be finding people to hug and say good game. You should be finding people because that's part of the journey.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to former. Former hold up, Freeze. Shout out to former Nick Luke Cornette, who didn't even have the greatest of series.

[Flip]

Yeah, he only got run.

[Cook]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Budden]

No, he played. He just played bad. He played bad. Still.

[Flip]

He stayed.

[Joe Budden]

He stayed out there. He's a champion. He stayed out there.

[Mark]

Class.

[Flip]

Champion.

[Cook]

Class.

[Joe Budden]

He shook any Nick hand that was near him. The coaches, the owners, only spur out there. I don't think Victor, when Binyana did. When Binyana did himself. Did himself any favors, these finals. But I think I got hold up for you, please. I opened this series saying how I'm gonna root for him for ages to come, just not right this second. The clinic that he put on. And I cannot be the only one that he turned off the way that he did.

[Cook]

He turned me off.

[Flip]

He turned a lot of.

[Cook]

He's not likable. He didn't come off as likable.

[Joe Budden]

Completely off. And again, remember, I'm the same guy that championed his behavior during All Star Weekend. I like that he took it serious. I like that he's saying, hey, fuck all these niggas.

[Mark]

I like that.

[Joe Budden]

When it's in the spirit of competition, I love that boy. I love competing. I don't like it when it seems like it's rooted in some other things. And that is how Victor Wembley, he

[Mark]

came off so bad.

[Joe Budden]

During the fourth quarter, I started Googling his parents. Seriously, it was looking so crazy at some point that I was like, I have to see what mom looks like. Well, you know, they were.

[Mark]

And every time I Googled one of them, it always looked like exactly what

[Joe Budden]

the fuck it looked like. And it looked like a dad that boogied. And now you just. Just raised with a dude. You got some white boy in you. You got some. Understand? You got some of that European, and

[Mark]

then that's more European.

[Joe Budden]

Then that led me to my experience

[Ebro]

in France For Truth, Notorious.

[Mark]

That reminded me, that's some shit that I blocked out in my mind. That's how much of a horrible time

[Joe Budden]

I had out there. Because they're able to just recognize an American that's out of place. And how they treat you, how they talk to you. They were unwilling to.

[Mark]

To help.

[Joe Budden]

It was a total nightmare for me. Hey, in.

[Mark]

In. In stark contrast to when I went

[Joe Budden]

to Hong Kong, same thing. They know I ain't from here. They know I don't speak that.

[Mark]

But boy, they was helpful.

[Ebro]

Yeah, sure. You don't have to look too much further than Tony Parker with the Spurs. You'll see him nowhere. Doing nothing with them. The way Manu and Tim and D Rob and all them are.

[Cook]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Sean Elliott.

[Ebro]

You don't see Tony nowhere.

[Mark]

Mark said a lot of words for

[Joe Budden]

or Victor just proved himself to be. And he's young, so I want to take that into account.

[Mark]

But you could be young and be

[Joe Budden]

a bitch ass nigga.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And he put on a master class in how to be a bitch ass nigga.

[Mark]

Not by none of the actions in isolation. Because it's a lot of these sports

[Joe Budden]

commentators that's coddling him because of America, specifically white America's obsession with anything exotic.

[Mark]

So y' all not gonna get on

[Joe Budden]

TV and say the truth.

[Mark]

Y' all gonna get on TV and

[Joe Budden]

say, oh, no, it's cool to walk off. No, I didn't wanna walk off. You mad, you emotional, you 22.

[Mark]

Got that?

[Joe Budden]

But when you look at his behavior in totality, when you look at the

[Mark]

Nas Reed elbow and not the elbow. Cause you could do that.

[Cook]

I could live with elbows.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But the push after the elbow, as a.

[Mark]

That been in fights that push, push. Watch it again.

[Joe Budden]

The elbow and the push was crazy. That, that game five, whatever game, it was shitty pull with Jalen, where he. He got his landing space.

[Mark]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

That happens. But when he did it, he looked down. Ain't no remorse in it.

[Mark]

Almost as if to make sure he

[Joe Budden]

was in that landing.

[Ebro]

They not gonna do nothing.

[Mark]

And I know that to be true.

[Joe Budden]

And that's the other thing that pisses me off.

[Mark]

See, you know that you got. You know that you got Adam Silver

[Joe Budden]

and the league and everybody on your side and you now taking advantage of it. We rooted for that against SGA because he had his own flop narrative going on. So it's like, ooh, this is dope.

[Mark]

But now the Knicks, the Knicks did something that Knick fans never thought they would do they became likable, almost like America. None of them.

[Joe Budden]

None of them. Listen, Go watch any of their post championship interviews. They the most boring niggas in the world.

[Mark]

They ain't saying nothing.

[Joe Budden]

They just up there being friends.

[Cook]

That's what I like about it.

[Mark]

They just up there having fun with niggas they went to college with. And Cat, there is really nothing not to like about them. So to see him put on that behavior. Hey, and we know that that's what you did, you dirty European bitch ass nigga. Because we saw what you said to Kelly Olenek and Bismack Obey you in the series before.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, yo, fuck them niggas up.

[Mark]

See, there comes a point when raw talent ain't enough.

[Joe Budden]

And you gotta start kinda using your

[Mark]

mind and it becomes a thinking man's game.

[Joe Budden]

And Wimby, I thought was so cerebral

[Mark]

that I thought that's the part of

[Joe Budden]

the game that he was a fan of.

[Mark]

But he gets bushley league fast and he's not built for it.

[Cook]

That's the shit I don't like.

[Mark]

And he's not built. I hate, I hate like you the aura farming, all of that. I'm in your head. And then lose the biggest lead anybody's ever had. Hey, big. Hey, you big ass. No, you're not. You're not in anybody's head. You shaped like a G string. You tampon torso shaped ass.

[Ish]

You shaped like a Slinky, shaped like Gumby.

[Mark]

He's crazy, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Some of the things that. Some of the things that he did and said.

[Mark]

You avoided media availability 40% of the time. 40% of the playoffs, you big ass. Oh, so you could talk when you're up?

[Joe Budden]

Hey, game one, I came here and told y' all that I said, Stefan Castle, he gotta learn. Hey, the game ain't over in the first quarter. He doing all that chirping without Alvarado.

[Flip]

A lot of talk.

[Mark]

The game is not over yet. See, Castle and Winbiniana are like Melki

[Joe Budden]

Cabera and Robinson Cano. It's dumb leading dumber. It's the blind leading the blind line everywhere. Them two go day together. We already know that Castle is a hothead. We know he a little immature and a little and a little off. But Wimby, them two together ain't nothing evidence that more than that game, that game two turnover where Castle is calling for it. He don't pass it to him. So Castle riding with his man, cuz Wimby's the man. All right, I'm turning around and Wimby

[Mark]

Young and dumb and can't think, throws

[Joe Budden]

it to a whose back is turning facing him.

[Mark]

And we know that you young and dumb and stupid because in Chris Paul's

[Joe Budden]

last season, we saw some of the coaching up that he was doing. Yeah, cuz we remember now when he was like, yo, foul this guy on the floor so we could stop the clock so we can get another shot.

[Mark]

Well, he, he, Chris Paul.

[Joe Budden]

Boy, was he needed on this team.

[Cook]

That's what I said all series. They needed him on the bench.

[Joe Budden]

No, he was definitely needed. He was definitely needed.

[Mark]

But to not shake hands with anybody, like to disrespect the chess game that

[Joe Budden]

it is like to disrespect the spirit of competition, the. Yo, I know what it takes to be great because I'm competing and if I'm competing to be my best, it's going to take somebody competing at a different level to beat me. Me being my best is countering and thinking of the counters that might be used against my. It's such a. It's such a chess match.

[Cook]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

So for him to speed walk off of the court like a ass.

[Joe Budden]

See, and that's the thing about young niggas too. You in your emotions because you lost. Granted. But you on the world stage. You not. You wasn't just Wimby. You wasn't just playing a basketball game. You was doing a world interview. You, the world was watching you. Yo, sometimes people call me for a gig and I know, depending on who the people are, that they ain't really calling me for this gig. They trying to see how I do with this gig, to see what other gigs could happen. That's what that was, Wimby. Yo, Game seven against the Thunder. You don't think that some of them calls could have went the other way? Like, think about it. When you go home,

[Mark]

it could have gone a different way. They wanted to see your big French

[Joe Budden]

bitch ass in the finals. We wanted to see what that looked like.

[Mark]

We wanted the support of fucking friends.

[Joe Budden]

We wanted you, the Knicks.

[Mark]

The cup looked so good.

[Joe Budden]

That was an audition, you bitch. The cup was an audition.

[Mark]

We wanna see that again.

[Joe Budden]

And you go out there and say, fuck media.

[Mark]

What's that line he gave to the media?

[Joe Budden]

I'll see you. Y' all never. No, no, no, Big Dog. No Big Dog.

[Mark]

You got the nerve to get out there and say shit like, yo, we

[Joe Budden]

dominated the whole city, nigga.

[Mark]

Does dominate mean something different in France? You still being smug and stupid and not hearing how you you did.

[Ish]

You lost.

[Mark]

You lost four to one. We've played eight games since December. Remember, we are six and two against you. That means we would have won a best of nine, you big ass nigga. Let's talk about.

[Joe Budden]

We dominated.

[Mark]

Young have no idea how they sound

[Joe Budden]

when they stupid word. And there's no OG in there, I. E. Chris Paul.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Because he's the leader. And then the story went around about

[Joe Budden]

the fans in the Ritz Carlton that you had kicked out the hotel.

[Cook]

Mm.

[Mark]

A story that gained traction.

[Joe Budden]

Now, I don't believe that. All they said to you was, good luck, Victor Wimbi. We in New York City. They said a little more to you. Hey, I'm no dummy. I'm no dummy. But the point. Yeah, for sure. But the point remains.

[Mark]

The point remains.

[Joe Budden]

You had the man and his whole family kicked out of the whole family hotel.

[Cook]

I don't know what the man. It depend on what he said.

[Flip]

He know.

[Joe Budden]

He know what he said. Cory, you should not have the man. I'm sweating. I'm ugly. I'm ugly.

[Cook]

Yes to both, but yeah, I ain't

[Flip]

going to say that either.

[Cook]

Yeah, I would get.

[Flip]

I would have had him kicked out.

[Cook]

Yeah, I, I, I just got beat her. He might have. It might have been some sucking. It might not have been. I. It depend on what dude said and how he said it, you know, I mean, like if Jaylen getting you kicked out the game for saying you hate

[Ebro]

dude.

[Flip]

Everything this finals, it looked like Wimby was just trying to play the bad guy.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Which I'm okay with every move.

[Flip]

He put it to a point, but you can't.

[Mark]

He was an. I think a lot of that was a big even.

[Flip]

Even after they won game three, he was like, yo. He walked through the garden barefoot afterwards.

[Joe Budden]

Because I wanted my feet to feel the win here.

[Flip]

Like, like just things he's saying is like, I'm trying to, trying to antagonize. I'm. I am the villain.

[Ebro]

I was a Rodman fan. Yeah. But the difference is for me with him in this series, you have to go out there and ball.

[Cook]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

You can't go out there.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Cook]

Like, like, I grew up huge Reggie Miller fan. You know, I love the talker. I love the. I love all of that Cool.

[Flip]

Gotta get it done.

[Cook]

And I love the tough guys. But he's, he's a, you know, he's an antagonizer. Charles Oakley's like the enforcer type. I like all them kinds of players. But none of those guys would have not shook your hand. None of those guys would Be whining to the media. You gotta pick. You gotta pick one. You're either gonna be like the bad guy, which might be his new role. You gotta hoop, but you gotta play. You gotta be a killer out there.

[Mark]

That's what I'm saying. If he, if he, if he didn't shake hands and he went in the,

[Joe Budden]

the, the post game press conference and acknowledged his opponent, maybe I feel different.

[Cook]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

You, you, you 22, you in the heat of the moment. You'll learn from this. LeBron didn't shake hands before. N. Didn't shake hands before. Over it. His behavior, his behavior in totality makes him really tough to root for.

[Mark]

And I.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why I'm calling it. That's why I know it's aura farming because you lost that big lead, but it's also aura farming because you only talking tough. You trying to appear tough because.

[Mark]

Because

[Joe Budden]

by behavior like you trying to appear tough. By like the things you saying and your attitude and the tone, you trying to appear like the Knicks. You never acknowledge them, but you were indeed at the mercy of the Knicks. Facts.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

And you did a lot of dumb.

[Mark]

You were.

[Joe Budden]

You were at the mercy of the New York Knicks. Mercy meaning. See, it's the difference between behavior and action. In behavior, you could play smart.

[Ish]

Mug.

[Mark]

In action, there was absolutely nothing that

[Joe Budden]

you could do with those boys.

[Flip]

Nope.

[Joe Budden]

Not.

[Mark]

None of it. And then you got the nerve to

[Joe Budden]

get in the press conference and say shit like, yo, I'm sure I'm gonna learn something from this. I just don't know what. See, even that hold up freeze. You don't know what you big. How about how to effectively get to a spot on the floor when your team needs a bucket? How about a sky hook? How about footwork? How about a, a, a, a, a post move or two? How about learning clock management, y'? All? Y' all defensive assignment was nuts on the OG Tip. How about learning clock management? Y' all immediately rushed to foul. Cause y' all thought they were 24 seconds on the offensive rebound when it was 14. If you let it go and play good, D, you had time to get, get a shot. How about you just young and stupid? And when raw talent and athletic ability stop getting it done and you got

[Mark]

to actually think for a second you got the nerve to say that stupid in the press conference. And you lost the same exact. You lost the same exact way every game. And I came in here and told

[Joe Budden]

y', all, yo, they doing all of this talking Instead of coaching, they doing all this talking instead of paying attention.

[Mark]

You know why Jalen Brunson is the man. Man, last year the Pacers kicked our

[Joe Budden]

ass because they could just find him on an island and we didn't know what to do with it. And he couldn't defend nothing that was happening.

[Mark]

This year he came back and learned how to hedge. He hedged. Y' all couldn't find him. He do the little rush out, he run back to the spot. That's a working in the off season. Why are we this victim? This loser ass that's lost his whole life. You lost the gold.

[Joe Budden]

That was us. That was the usa. So you was gonna lose, but you

[Mark]

still lost that check clip that's running around. That was the French league that you lost twice. You never won in the NBA. And you got the nerve to not acknowledge a that's won at every single level of his career. High school, college two times, and now the NBA. You smug, arrogant bitch ass.

[Joe Budden]

He was annoying, man. I ain't gonna hold you. His behavior, absolutely nuts to me.

[Cook]

So how'd you feel about wimby?

[Ebro]

I like seeing Charles Oakley in that crowd, by the way.

[Joe Budden]

Facts.

[Cook]

Seeing Charles Oakley in the crowd was great.

[Ebro]

That was amazing.

[Cook]

He deserved that. He deserved every moment. One moment you carried out the handcuffs, you know what I mean? Now you being celebrated, you know what I mean? Cause the fans showed him love. They did. He was showered with love, man. And all of them next year, I

[Joe Budden]

don't know what I'mma learn.

[Mark]

How about you learn where the good

[Joe Budden]

soul food spot are?

[Mark]

How about you learn how to eat something that's going to have you weighing

[Joe Budden]

more than 160 pounds?

[Mark]

How about eat some pasta for the next 19 months, huh? How about focus on your diet so you not absolutely manhandled. You talking all that European tough guy bullshit. Let me tell Mitchell Robinson is a big American country boy that drags horses and cows and around. What the was you gonna do with him that was just picking you up, politely moving around? Excuse me, Excuse me. Yo, this ain't. This ain't chat. This ain't check. A little 90 pound that's gonna run from you. Cause you tall and linky and stupid looking. No, Carl Anthony Towns, that is a big New Jersey boy. Don't let that voice shit get you confused. Yes, he changes his voice from time to time. We acknowledge it, we know, we laugh at it too. But that is a big New Jersey boy that been eating pasta for the

[Joe Budden]

last 29 years, you bitch ass nigga.

[Mark]

What would you gonna do with them?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what I could learn.

[Mark]

How about you go lock yourself in a fucking room and figure out it figured out.

[Joe Budden]

I'll talk to y'. All. Never him. Yeah, he's annoying.

[Cook]

Strong feelings.

[Mark]

He's annoying. I'm glad. I'm glad that threw a egg at you, boy. You lucky I wasn't here with a carton.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't buy a carton.

[Cook]

12.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mark]

I buy this three rolls extra large. I don't buy large. Them shit's gonna yolk every bow. The is you talk about. I'm not playing with him. I didn't like that.

[Joe Budden]

It turned me off from the. That's not the pop of his spurs. That. That. I know it ain't.

[Mark]

Yo, let me tell you, boy. That boy Dylan Harper, New Jersey is him.

[Cook]

He's.

[Ebro]

He's nice.

[Joe Budden]

God damn, that nigga's him.

[Flip]

And shout out to the spurs for not playing them right.

[Mark]

Oh, thank you so much. What's that coach name? Mitchell Johnson. Mitch Johnson. Stupid.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Yo, thank God they didn't play. He was going crazy.

[Cook]

Well, good news for the Spurs. The max deal of Darren Fox kicks in in the summer. He'll be making about $50 million a

[Ebro]

year for the next four years.

[Cook]

But it's a very movable contract.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure Mask way.

[Mark]

It's the difference between. Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

Mark the out.

[Mark]

It's the difference between adult strength. I ain't done with him. And little boy cutesy French strength. It's like when you get your adult strength and then you fight one of

[Joe Budden]

little young niggas that'd be way bigger than.

[Ish]

It's a little tussle.

[Mark]

You're supposed to lose, but your grown man strength kicked in. Oh, you young niggas out there.

[Joe Budden]

Wait till you get it.

[Cook]

Wait till you get it.

[Mark]

It's nice.

[Joe Budden]

It's nice.

[Mark]

We talk about when the young niggas, when you young and you fucking start off fast with the bitch you fucking. Oh. 90 pumps a minute. 90 pumps a minute.

[Cook]

90 Pumps a minute.

[Mark]

And you get a little older.

[Joe Budden]

Little rabbit stroke. You get a little older. Start learning how a body work. You start learning a spot that you could touch. You ain't gotta race through everything. You could spend some time and this

[Mark]

things that come with adulthood.

[Joe Budden]

That victim when banana little young ass just wouldn't know. He just wouldn't know. I'm off that him, man. And I heard that sentiment from a lot of people in the town.

[Flip]

He turned a lot of people Off.

[Mark]

He turned a lot of people.

[Joe Budden]

He turned a lot of people off in his world debut.

[Cook]

I mean, he's a cat. I mean, again, like, my wife isn't a big basketball fan, but she watched the playoffs because I was watching playoffs. And she was like, oh, I like that. When bianma kid. Because he seemed nice. He's charming. And once we got to the finals, she was like, oh, he seems like an asshole.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, my mom said the same thing, y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I don't watch Viola. I want to see that. I want to see Victoria. By the end of the final. She was like, ew.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That was disgusting. And you know what it reminded me of? A young kid in charge of things. Like, a young kid that's like, alpha. Like, it's running shit. It's like a drunk running shit. Yeah, it's the same thing. You hate to see them both. You hate to see a kid that's in charge just looking like a kid making kitty decisions. And you hate to see a drunk. That's just. That's what it reminded me of. It was a mess. Absolute mess. Glad we won it on your home floor. Glad we won it under Becky Hammond's jersey. Glad we won it in San Antonio. That was. That was amazing. Yo, Nick fans. We up, we up. We all the way up. It feels good. It feels great. Hey, Jason Tatum ain't ain't texting me yet. Jason Tatum has not text me at all. He ain't DM'd me. I ain't spoke to him. I think that's rather up, but I get it. I get it.

[Mark]

Hey, Jared. Jack.

[Joe Budden]

I spoke to him. He gave it up. He gave it up. He finally gave him.

[Mark]

Malik Rose.

[Joe Budden]

I spoke to him. I supposed to. He gave it up. He gave it up. Some.

[Mark]

Some. That was on the other side. They had.

[Flip]

They have given it up.

[Joe Budden]

When it's all said and done, man, you got to tip your hat. That's all you can do to these guys, man. Jaylen Brunson, they did it.

[Ebro]

That was special. That was special.

[Joe Budden]

Paid a man.

[Flip]

It was the whole team.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Yeah, it was.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Flip]

It was like Hart hit some really big shots, left him on the island.

[Joe Budden]

Love Josh Hart, man, but a team of people that were outcasts. That's the thing.

[Flip]

I don't say outcast.

[Cook]

They show people.

[Mark]

You got to say out.

[Joe Budden]

Minnesota didn't want to pay Car Anthony Towns. Minnesota had made the Western Conference final, you guys. And didn't win to pay.

[Cook]

I thought they paid him and just.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Flip]

They didn't.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Cook]

They paid him in but they didn't think he could fit with Gobert. I think that was the biggest.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't want to pay him. They paid him the max contract but they didn't want that on the books. It would have future implications on them. But them is a second apron team. They didn't want to deal with that. They got rid of him. Wow.

[Cook]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

OG more of the same. He was injured in Toronto for the championship run. He was asking for a lot of money. They didn't want to pay an injured play player.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Portland got rid of Josh Hart for a baloney sandwich. They gave him away for a baloney sandwich. Jalen Brunson could have be had. Could have been had for the ultra cheap. Dallas paid him no mind. Dad went to them in the middle of the season. Hey, we gonna get this done. Yeah, fuck off.

[Cook]

55 million for five years. He was asking for. He wasn't asking for a crazy deal at the time.

[Joe Budden]

And by the time we went to bridges to the nets with the five picks, if you're from New York, you know that any New York, New York and New Jersey deal is going to cost you the house or it's not going to happen. But shout out to risking it all them picks. Yeah, it worked, it worked, it worked, it worked.

[Mark]

Once you win, shout out to Bridges them picks.

[Flip]

Shout out to the next spirit, shout

[Joe Budden]

out to the Knicks.

[Flip]

Man, great job. I think Mike Brown is not getting nowhere near the accolades he was.

[Joe Budden]

He coached his ass off.

[Cook]

He did, he did.

[Joe Budden]

He coached his ass, bro, I'm not. You don't come back. He ran circles around.

[Flip]

It wasn't even close.

[Mark]

He ran.

[Flip]

Let me tell you a couple things he did. One, in the fourth quarter, San Antonio was winded. He wouldn't call time out.

[Mark]

Yeah, how about learn conditioning, you big ass? How about go get your big stupid ass on a treadmill so you could play longer than 20 minutes a game, you big. I don't know what I could learn. How about watch some film?

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry, go ahead. They reminded me they winded.

[Flip]

He never used.

[Mark]

How about buy a peloton, yo, A New York City trackathon. The one Amani lied to us and said he was going. How about get your big ass in that?

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry, go ahead, man.

[Flip]

Well, he ain't used. He ain't used the bench like dog. Harrison Barnes ain't getting the game like yo dawg, that veteran leadership is what you need to corral the troops. When y' all up 30 and y' all start losing the lead, he wouldn't call time outs. It was the hor most horrible subs I ever seen. Dylan. Dylan's the only going to the basket while everybody else shooting long threes. Long threes yield to long rebounds which yield to transition buckets. Yep. And that's how y' all lost a 29 point lead.

[Joe Budden]

You are Harrison Barnes, kind of like the older guy that when we got the lead, keep us.

[Flip]

Keep us settle.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously, you think I'm trying? I'm bigging you up.

[Flip]

So in the fourth, you up. I heard you. In the fourth quarter, the six that you've been putting in the game, they winded as hell. That's why you start shooting jump shots. Cuz you too tired to go to the cup.

[Cook]

They had no legs.

[Flip]

You don't got no legs. You start going to the cup like yo, it's just all the substitutions was trash. Dylan was keeping them in the game. He takes Dylan out, he puts Fox in. Fox is shooting back three.

[Joe Budden]

Just don't even never understood that.

[Flip]

Why you taking coaching was just hard.

[Joe Budden]

I love bad coaching.

[Flip]

But not me tell you now. Let me tell you why y' all created a monster. Because all year long y' all have been telling this Wimby he's the best player in the NBA. Arguably. And he's not. He's nowhere nearest player in the NBA.

[Joe Budden]

He's far from.

[Flip]

He's not a top 10 player in the NBA. His skill sets are trash. He's athletic as he's 7 6. He could block shots. He has no lateral defense. OG's running by him like he's standing still. Anytime somebody wanted to run by him, they could. But he long so he'll punch your sometimes. But he not a good defensive player player. He don't have no post moves. He don't have no go to offensive move.

[Ebro]

That's true.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you.

[Flip]

He's tall as my. And down the stretch. He had two shots down the stretch to win games. Yo, he don't even have a. He shot a Foul shot with 6 seconds attack the basket. Hopefully that you put the onus on the refs to give you a foul.

[Joe Budden]

Even that I don't know if he

[Mark]

don't know how to play basketball, how

[Joe Budden]

about learn to make a crunch time free throw this mad shit that you could fucking learn.

[Cook]

He missed three out of four.

[Flip]

He missed a field down the street.

[Cook]

Stretch one out of two last and

[Flip]

that's just focusing bubble Guts. So I just. I just think that. I think that for a team that young, you have to overcoach them because they dumb cool. And that's cool. We always dumb when we was in our early 20s. But, dog, just. I. I think they really think, like, yo, we're better than them. It's just shit we doing down the stretch that's making us lose these games. And so they kept that arrogance with them, which. Yo, they said.

[Mark]

They, they, they.

[Joe Budden]

If you look at the analytics, they

[Flip]

led 72, 73% of the entire, entire games they were winning.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's get these stats correct, because that's been floating around. They won the first quarter of every game. It was plus, like, 59 or something crazy. They lost the second quarter, third quarter, and fourth quarter of most of these games.

[Flip]

That's not possible.

[Joe Budden]

It is.

[Flip]

They did. Because at the goal, cuz, going into the half, they was up. Going into the halves of mostly all the games. Like, yo, dawg, them niggas was winning a bunch of those quarters. None of that shit matters. When the fourth quarter came, y' all didn't make the necessary adjustments. Jalen Brunson, y' all had him going to the sides. Y' all start letting him come down the middle, which is a nightmare. Like, yo, it's just. They just. Dylan was ding the fuck out of them. Pause. Y' all took Dillon off of him even though he was still scoring. I'm making it tough for you. Y' all getting shots off at the end of the shot clock. Whether it's Hart shooting a quarter three. OG Shooting at three. They shooting these threes with two seconds left on the shot clock. For all intents and purposes. That's a great defense. Y' all went away from that. Yo, dog, they show one point. Richard Jefferson's like, yo, he's not gonna call timeout. They put the camera on the. Mitch, he was looking like this. Like he.

[Joe Budden]

He was shocked, like he got shot for him.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like we did. We did all that with the refs on complete. I'm gonna say that now that we won.

[Flip]

I think the refs was.

[Joe Budden]

Some of them called both teams.

[Ebro]

Both.

[Flip]

Like, Dylan got fouled the last layup. Fox got fouled on the layup where he should have ran the clock out. So I don't want to do that. The refs was horrible on both sides of the ball.

[Joe Budden]

OG Hit the ball first, and after you hit the ball, you can hit the arm.

[Flip]

Which. Which person you talking about?

[Joe Budden]

When Fox should have ran the ball out. He hit the ball first and then he hit his arm. And you can hit his arm if you hit the ball first. So. And that's why. Listen, the NBA put out the two minute report. They said there was no foul on this platform play. I so I'm just cast away, step out of bounds.

[Flip]

They gave him a step out of bounds with like 15 seconds left.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it was horrible officiating on both

[Flip]

sides of the ball. So I don't want to say that

[Mark]

they should correct that.

[Flip]

You play through that, you play through. I don't give a what happens. Y' all had a 29 point. Y' all had a 16 point lead in the fourth. You played through it. It shouldn't come down that far. It shouldn't like coaching. Coaching and point guard play make championships, dog. If you up 29, you up 16, you up double double digits. It shouldn't even get to a point where one call could change the outcome of the game. Th percent if it gets to that point, y' all up somewhere.

[Cook]

If you sp team 29 points, they should win. Yeah, in the third.

[Ebro]

I'm talking about you outside of first quarters. The Spurs. The spurs led. The spurs won five quarters for the whole series. Outside of the first quarter.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.

[Mark]

We won those quarters in points.

[Ebro]

They outscored. Yeah. And only five quarters.

[Cook]

No, he said. He said opposite of what you're saying. He said the Spurs.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, he's not.

[Ebro]

No, the spurs let. They won five quarters outside of first quarters in the entire series.

[Cook]

The spurs or the Knicks?

[Ebro]

The Spurs.

[Joe Budden]

The Spurs. He's saying what I'm saying.

[Cook]

Okay, I thought you're saying I misunderstood what you said. Okay, got you.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up, Doc.

[Cook]

I'm trying to understand. Shout out, Phil.

[Joe Budden]

No, this is halftime for the fans that are Nick fans out there. Go get some charcuterie, some wine, roll up some weed. Whatever they like to do out there, man.

[Cook]

Y playing Philly music.

[Joe Budden]

We playing some music from Philly.

[Cook]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

You say you. I know. Freeze gonna try to go to the parade. Mark, you said you was going to try to go. No, Flip, you not going in the parade to try to get content.

[Ebro]

Flip is going.

[Mark]

I don't know.

[Flip]

Total series time

[Joe Budden]

right out here.

[Ish]

Shut up. I'm in the parade. Where you got that shirt from?

[Joe Budden]

From the Garden. I got it from the Garden Boys. Stop playing with me. XL XL

[Mark]

all right, man. We got a great show for y' all coming up. I might not talk about the Knicks

[Joe Budden]

championship in these next few hours. We gotta see how I feel, man.

[Mark]

Stand in your way. And now it's time for my favorite part of the show, Prize picks. All right, the NBA Finals are over.

[Joe Budden]

And to those of you wishing you could see more, us Knick fans apologize for wrapping this up rather quickly. Sorry to end this in five. Listen, I'd love to see another game too, Tuesday night. Boy, that have been lit even though I was gonna be on a plane. So I'm glad that they fucking wrapped that up when they did.

[Mark]

But the finals are over, but the

[Joe Budden]

action does not stop. Oh, that little racist fight they had on the White House. Flora's over too. Glad we could stop saying that. Oh, my God. That was an absolute. Man, I almost called prize picks about that. Don't make me promote some racing shit now. We not doing that, but all right, the finals are over. We won like I told y' all we would. The UFC fight is over. Alex got beat up. I saw it. I was in the bar. They had it on. Oh, Shout out to the New York DJs. Oh my God, the New York sets. They was playing on Saturday night.

[Ebro]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, it was. It was. It was. It was nice. It was nice anyway.

[Mark]

But the action does not stop when

[Joe Budden]

the confetti falls and the Knicks are crowned champions because it is a star studded, scorching summer of sports. Women's basketball is heating up, Baseball is heating up. The Stanley cup was just decide decided, shout out to them and the world's biggest night. Yada yada, yada yada.

[Mark]

So make it picks for all of

[Joe Budden]

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[Flip]

Fuck no.

[Joe Budden]

All right, Ish. Loser picks of the week. Bringing them in high, we got Kayla McBride for more than 20 and a half a half points, rebounds and assists. Sabrina who Ines go for more than three and a half rebounds. The Liberty Dog, Olivia Mouse for the Liberty don't exist after the Knicks won the championship. Next week they can go back to existing and that's up cuz they won a championship.

[Cook]

I take that back.

[Joe Budden]

I take that back. I take it back. I take it back.

[Mark]

I take it back. I take it back.

[Joe Budden]

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[Mark]

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[Joe Budden]

play your first $5 lineup only on prize pick Vicks, the official partner of the NBA. The other that had me crying. I don't know if y' all saw the Knicks ads were really good.

[Ebro]

Yeah, they were. I don't even know. I saw some ad with a girl narrating the. I don't even know who it was

[Joe Budden]

for, but the Knicks ads were incredible. The, the. The Walt Clyde Frazier Outlet. The pass chest pass on one billboard to Jalen Brunson catching it on the other other billboard.

[Flip]

Is that. That's fire or something, right? Yeah, yeah, that was fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like I said, what Nike did with the Clark Kent Uptowns is amazing. For Nike to have that ready immediately after the finals, like shout out to the companies that are going to go shoot a commercial that might not air or.

[Flip]

No, the people that have tapped into the culture and know what's moving out here. The Spike Lee joint, you know what I mean? For them to have Clark and represent New York, that's fine. Most big brands don't necessarily be tapped in like that.

[Joe Budden]

Spike Lee Day one, Day one. They did one for Ben Stiller. It was. It was Ben here. Still here. Come on, man. They absolutely smoked them.

[Ebro]

Rest in peace. Jerry Stiller too.

[Joe Budden]

Rest Y Another New York Nick. Yes, shout out to Jerry still. Yo. Another one of the joints that had me absolutely in tears. And I don't care if y' all judge me or y' all laughing at me because I've been crying for literally one week straight. But whoever did the cartoon animation of the dude sitting in front of the TV watching the Knicks as a 13 year old. Oh, and then he. Then it was him as a 21 year old. Then it was him with his wife. And it showed different players on the screen. Yeah, different players on the screen. And then it was him with his wife and a kid, an infant like. And then a dog growing over there with a dog.

[Mark]

How could you not cry over this stuff?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, that was hot. Honestly, Shell. Go Nicks, man. Jaylen Brunson, I can't say enough about you and your dad, yo. I can't. I can't. N. I can't. All right, what else is important? What else is unimportant? I got something that's not really important to talk to y' all about. Okay.

[Ebro]

That was some bullshit.

[Cook]

Yep.

[Mark]

Figure out how to word it?

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ish]

What happened? Yo,

[Joe Budden]

that's why I love you all. Don't you know, for real, you ever meet somebody that no matter what good advice you give them, they do the opposite. They just compound problem on top of problem on top of problem on top of problem. No matter what you tell them, you tell them the right thing to do, and they make one pro. They make a mountain out of a molehill. They turn one problem into a million problems. You ever met somebody like that? Yes.

[Flip]

Bunch of them.

[Joe Budden]

Saturday, I'm in the house. Sunday, I'm in the house minding my own business, laying in bed, crying over the Knicks. I get a phone call. I pick up. Who is it you get?

[Ish]

Guessed it.

[Joe Budden]

My firstborn, Trey. My son is on the phone. I say, what's up, man? He says, dad, I went out last night, I went to the function, and I lost my phone. Somebody stole my phone. My phone was in a book bag and the book bag was next to. To me, but they stole my whole book bag. So I don't have no phone. So I said what any dad would say in that moment, which is, you didn't have pockets. He said, no. I said, as an adult, man, you walked out the house without pockets. That's for the hoes like you got fatty. That's what a is. If somebody steal your book bag and your phone is in there, they got your phone. That's your Zell.

[Flip]

They got your life.

[Joe Budden]

That's your information. They got everything. Why would you ever have. You can't have that. You'll do me a favor, young boy, don't go out the house no more without pockets.

[Ebro]

Especially in an area where you can wear the merse. You can wear a fanny pack and it's.

[Joe Budden]

But, yeah, that. But just don't be a. I mean, put your. What if you need to look cool, put your hand in your. Probably need pockets as a man. You need pockets anyway.

[Ebro]

Agree.

[Joe Budden]

Long story. Last long. He says, pop, do you happen to have an extra phone over there that I could use? He know I got extra phone.

[Cook]

You got a shit.

[Joe Budden]

I got all of the phones. When I bought the iPhone 17, I bought five of them. I bought seven of them because the day would come where your son is going to lose the phone. You said that?

[Mark]

Yeah. You ended up with son.

[Joe Budden]

You was like, yo, my mom, somebody's gonna call me and need a phone. I keep phones. I keep phones in my thing. So he know who to call. So I say to him, yo, Rich.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Come right over here and get one of these phones. Because you can't be 25 without a phone.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

I hang up.

[Flip]

Not today.

[Joe Budden]

He said, yo, I'm on my way. I hang up.

[Flip]

How many hours?

[Joe Budden]

One hour later.

[Mark]

I knew it.

[Joe Budden]

There's no son. I do it.

[Flip]

I do it.

[Joe Budden]

Two hours later, there's no son. And I don't care. Cause I'm with my new son.

[Mark]

It's my baby weekend. So, I mean, my job is getting. I'm here with my new kid.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, the old kid.

[Mark]

Who knows where he at?

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, hour three, hour four, hour five, he don't come. He sent me a text. It says, pop, I'm still coming. I had to stop at the police station and make a race. And as soon as I finish that, I'll be on my way to you to pick up the phone, nigga. I ain't even hit him back. But in my head, I'm like, okay. I go back to sleep playing with my new son. Another 90 minutes go by. Long story, less long. He show up at my door. I open the door. Boy, does he look disheveled. He got bruises all over him. Shirt dirty. Hoodie is a mess. No shape up. Body part swollen. Say, come in, boy. Come on. Come on in here.

[Flip]

Daddy done been through that before.

[Guest]

Oh,

[Cook]

I can relate to you at this moment.

[Ish]

I can relate.

[Mark]

Cause you got your little cute outfit on. We could. You trying to get in here.

[Ish]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

So I said, come on in here, boy. I said, yo, are you okay? He says, yeah. What happened?

[Ish]

Man, I'm gonna slap you. Stop.

[Joe Budden]

He said, well, this is his mother's side. I'm telling y', all, this ain't me. He said, well, when I left the police station, I took mom's phone and hit to track my iPhone. And I found it. Oh, boy, it popped up.

[Ebro]

Uh.

[Mark]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

And it was nearby. I don't wanna lie. And it was nearby. No, no, I gotta hear the rest of this. So I went over there. I went over there and I hopped out and said, yo, y' all know something about this phone that's missing?

[Ish]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

And they beat the up.

[Mark]

Hey, yeah, boy, we know something. The phone right here.

[Joe Budden]

I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

[Mark]

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

[Joe Budden]

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I need. No, no, no, I need. Was it a corner, like where? He said, no, it was a house.

[Ebro]

You just pull up some random.

[Joe Budden]

I said, you pulled up to a stranger's house? I mean, I said, were they outside? He said, I rung the bell.

[Cook]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Joe Budden]

I said, you went to their house and rung the bell to say, hey, oh, y' all got my phone. Y' all know, yo, find my iPhone? Said my iPhone? I said, all right, walk me through it. So you. You. You pressed the door, they came out, you said something about the phone, and then they said, what to you? Come on in and wait for it. He said. He said.

[Flip]

He said, I don't know what the fuck you talking about.

[Ish]

He said. He said.

[Cook]

He said, skipping.

[Joe Budden]

I asked him out the phone, and he said, do you want the 30 or the 60? I said, excuse me? He said, he asked me if I wanted the 30 or the 60. I'm good with context clues, so I think I knew what it meant. But I asked him.

[Flip]

I said, gang talk.

[Joe Budden]

I said, what does that mean?

[Ish]

30 seconds of fighting.

[Joe Budden]

He said, do you want the 32nd fight, or do you want the 62nd fight? I said, what did you choose? He said, the 30. I said, how long did it go? He said, about 60.

[Mark]

I said, wait, wait. He gave you the other 30? He gave you the other 30 for the free. Gave you that on the arm since I ain't had to bring it to you. 30 here already for free. Nah, he chose the 30 and still got the 9. Yo, that's my kid. You play. Yo, Wait. So at this point, I say to him, I said, you know, there was another option, right?

[Joe Budden]

He said, what? I said, boy, your negotiating skills are poor. I said, or you could have took

[Mark]

the zero and got off the. You could have pulled up, saw that this was a house, that said, oh, maybe not. And said, you know what? I'm getting the out of here. Or you could have got the police. You just at the police station. Yo, you just left the cops. When the homeboy stole my bag from LaGuardia and I found it on the. I got the cops and ball.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, right there on bur.

[Mark]

Happy to tell this rung the doorbell, asked for the 30, got the 60, got jazzy Jeffed off of the stoop and showed up to dad's house when I gave you the solution, which was, yo, come here.

[Joe Budden]

Just come right now.

[Mark]

Come here and get a phone.

[Joe Budden]

Come here and get a phone. It's over. He said, it's principal. Yeah, but I got nervous because I saw my money. He was. I saw my money disappearing from my zel. I said, damn, I know how it feels to lose. Lose money. How much was it?

[Ish]

Oh,

[Mark]

85. No, no, no, that.

[Joe Budden]

How much was it? Sneaker says some like $300, like 285.

[Flip]

That's my money.

[Ish]

That ain't.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I smack the out of you, you just call the bank. So I said to him, yeah, you got.

[Mark]

You could dead. You could dead the phone now. Homies walking around with a pack.

[Joe Budden]

So I say to him, yo, do you know that kidnapping is still in or murder?

[Mark]

Murder, Stammet. Hey, we only shot a nigga foot.

[Joe Budden]

You lucky the Knicks won. N is in a good mood. But do you show up at nigga's house as Joe Button? Well, that's what he said. That's what the dude said. The dude was like, yo, I don't know what you told. You showed up to my house, dawg. My day. Inconvenient.

[Mark]

You got it.

[Joe Budden]

We gotta get it on you at my house.

[Mark]

And I kinda feel him. I kinda. I understand. Understand that.

[Cook]

Points are made.

[Joe Budden]

You can't go to somebody's house, dog.

[Cook]

You can't do that.

[Flip]

You stole my.

[Ish]

You stole my.

[Joe Budden]

It's in my house. If I made it back to my house, it's home base. You better get the cops involved.

[Cook]

Hold up, but, Joe, just want clarify.

[Joe Budden]

Happened when you show up at another house.

[Cook]

Is your son. Your son knew what time it was when he went there. Like he was expecting a fight when he rang that doorbell.

[Flip]

No, I don't think he was.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he was. Because my son say he wasn't trying to fight. My son say all dude had to do was say, no, I ain't know nothing about a fucking. And I'm getting out of here. He was not.

[Cook]

He was. I got it.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think he was expecting one more question.

[Cook]

Is just. Kenya son fight.

[Joe Budden]

I mean. I mean, the way that he showed up to my house, I knew something was wrong. Cuz when the story started, it was. They put hands on me. By the end of the story, it was just a guy.

[Mark]

It was just he. It was just he.

[Joe Budden]

And I've been there before.

[Mark]

I've been there before. I know. I know how that feel.

[Ish]

It was just hands and feet.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How many of them was it? It was one, two.

[Ebro]

Two arms.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm telling him, yo, took your book bag. They know who you are. Kidnapping ain't out of style. I don't know what you.

[Flip]

I said.

[Joe Budden]

I said, where was this house at?

[Ebro]

That's a very good question.

[Joe Budden]

I said, where was the house at? He told me. I ain't gonna say it on air, but he Told me what house was at the hood. I said, trey, was it the hood? This area you talking about before you was born.

[Flip]

What's bad?

[Joe Budden]

We knew not to play over there.

[Flip]

Yeah, he wild.

[Joe Budden]

This area is one of those where it didn't matter how tough you are. Tough niggas knew if you went to this area, you would have to be tough. Apparently, that's never changed. If a nigga's asking, you want the 30 or the 60, the mere proposition says that he might be the Jeff

[Mark]

Bezos of these style negotiations.

[Ebro]

I work with these.

[Mark]

Yeah, like, yeah, yo, nigga asked you what the 30.

[Cook]

Asked you for 30 by yourself.

[Joe Budden]

30 or the 6.

[Mark]

He think it's he by that equation, it's gonna be wrapped up in one of those.

[Flip]

It might be a testament that he got 60.

[Joe Budden]

My poor baby. But my boy. My boy got it. They tossed my baby.

[Flip]

It's a compliment.

[Cook]

So then you drove over there because it's.

[Joe Budden]

No, I said, good for you. I said, that's good for you. I don't know where that style foolishness come from. That's not a button trick. You don't walk up to. No, that's not a button trick to

[Ish]

go to the house and retrieve your item.

[Joe Budden]

I've been a thinker my whole life. If I did something that was stupid, and if you talk to me about it, I could walk you through my thinking. You wouldn't have thought my thinking was stupid. I made a bad decision. This is foolish, okay?

[Mark]

This is absolute.

[Joe Budden]

This is not. Nah.

[Flip]

Buttonism.

[Joe Budden]

I was cutting school, robbing gas stations, breaking in some houses, doing some angel dust at fucking 17, 18, something like that. Then I was rapping, and that was the end of that. This at pulling up to somebody's ass, the first thing they teach you. That's on page one of the manual. Page one says, don't go to the house.

[Ebro]

No, hold on.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care what the beef is. Never nine of y' all are y'

[Cook]

all kicking the door, and that's what y' all there for. Like, unless you can't just walk in somebody house, ring the bell.

[Flip]

Like, bro, even when you come with 10, you are subjected to whatever's going on in somebody's house, and you just showing up with 10 might be the deciding factor. That nigga shooting through the door.

[Mark]

He over there.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't got a gun. He ain't got a knife. Yeah, I call my mom. I tell my mom what happened. The first thing she say out her mouth, oh, he act like kidnapping is not a Thing that's my mom. Me and my mom. Me and my mom like this. But she continued. She like. See, I feel differently about kidnapping. Cause that's what my brother did. Other people think it can't happen. My brother, when we was running around and somebody would come out of the building, he'd say, ooh, I get a lot. I get a lot. If I put him in the trunk. Hey, pull off. Get your ass. We had to get uncle seven about it, but yeah, people think kidnapping is not a thing.

[Mark]

And it is. Boy, somebody a beat unhad you, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I gave him some Tylenol ice. I went to the. I went to the bathroom. I got the ne Neosporin out, got the Icy Hot out.

[Ebro]

Salt.

[Joe Budden]

Give him a fresh hoodie or something. Back up. Hey, he stayed washed. He stayed washed up. Oh, that's from Saturday. He stayed and watched a little bit of the game with me. Ian come over, told me, oh, shit. Trey spending time with your dad? I said, yeah, say that again 10 times. Say that again 10 times. My 25 year old son is spending time with his dad on a hot Saturday night. Anytime kids spend time with dad. Yeah, keep them going on. Shout out to my baby, man.

[Cook]

Shout out to Trey, Trey.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to that nigga. That had to teach my baby valuable lesson, man. I appreciate niggas like you. You ain't kill my baby. You ain't stabbed, muck. You let him live. You. You escorted him off of the premises somewhere he wasn't supposed to be in the first place. You sent him over to me. Listen, there's a valuable lesson in getting punched in the face or getting. Getting the fisticuffs. There's valuable lessons. I'm not that dad. Yo, dog, you went out there, you made 9 million stupid decisions that led to that.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So course learn how to course correct.

[Flip]

Could have came to the porch with a. A knife. Anything could happen.

[Cook]

Anything could happen.

[Flip]

The knife is the most. You know what I mean? Like, yo, dog, you don't go to nobody porch. You came to my house, come to the door at the bare minimum. You could have had a pit bull

[Joe Budden]

in there and just let him out.

[Ebro]

Especially when you just left the police station.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Flip]

No, he went to the police station post whipping.

[Ebro]

No, before.

[Joe Budden]

Right? Huh?

[Ebro]

Didn't you go to the police station

[Joe Budden]

before to found a police report and then left and then went to the house, then saw to find the phone on the iPhone and then be Batman. This is.

[Flip]

Oh, I thought he went to the police station to say they stole my.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, he Ain't no rap. Ain't no rap.

[Ish]

I'm too. I'm too ignorant.

[Joe Budden]

He ain't no rap. You going back.

[Ish]

You know what? I'm.

[Joe Budden]

I know you going back.

[Ish]

I know I'm too ignorant, man. I respect that. I'm too ignorant. Me and JR going right there. I'm outside, get my phone. Now, the most I may do, I may pay you for my phone, for the ink.

[Cook]

I may pay. Pay you.

[Ish]

I'm. See, I will. But I'm putting hands on somebody, nigga. And if you beat me up, nigga, we come back over there.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all doing that.

[Flip]

Y' all doing that, too, with my son. I'm gonna take my son to the trouble.

[Ish]

What you mean?

[Cook]

If they took jr, I'm going to flip.

[Flip]

I'm not going.

[Ish]

Oh, that's what I'm saying. I'm not taking JR to get my phone back. No. If they took JR's phone, he has the access. We going over there now. I'm not trying to fight. No, but. Yo, Ayo, what's up? What can we work out? I don't know what made Troy. I don't know know why that happened. I don't know what was said.

[Mark]

That's kind of.

[Ish]

Katri could have just said, yo, keep that bread. Trey could have said anything. I don't know what happened, but something had to happen. Aggressive, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think.

[Cook]

You show up to the crib like Skills.

[Flip]

You know what? I'm going say this, and I ain't even trying to be funny. It's. It's a testament to your. To your parenting. Because your dog, you raising your kids to not be a part of that.

[Ebro]

That world.

[Flip]

He don't know what the. Is going on over there. I don't believe he didn't know the dangers that, bro, I'm trying to play. I've known Trey since he was a child, bro. Trey ain't no. None of that. He not. He ain't know that that was a possibility. He went over there, thought he was gonna say, yo, I traced my phone here. I know it's here. And they was gonna say. All right, you caught me here. You get what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Something happened, though.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know if he do, though,

[Flip]

Corey, like, he maybe outside. He might not. He might not have that outside.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Like, I think he just thought

[Flip]

that I was gonna get my phone back. I'm not trying to be a dick.

[Cook]

My.

[Flip]

I'm being serious. Like, I think he went over there and Was like, yo, that's not true.

[Cook]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Ish]

Excuse me.

[Cook]

You know anything about it, dude would have just been like, no, I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Flip]

Yes, you do know, because I traced my phone here.

[Cook]

But that's. That's where it started.

[Flip]

But you don't have to say nothing smart. You could just say, yo, dog, I know my phone is.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a fuck what you trace.

[Mark]

All right, Batman? I said it ain't here, right?

[Ish]

And he still didn't get the phone back.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. That phone, man. He came to his house.

[Ebro]

Word.

[Joe Budden]

And got a phone.

[Cook]

Got it.

[Joe Budden]

And then dad called AT&T to dead one phone, connect another phone. And he said some stupid shit to me. Like.

[Ish]

Like.

[Joe Budden]

Like. I don't know, man. I just. I don't be wanting to call my dad for everything.

[Flip]

It's not stupid.

[Joe Budden]

He thought he could handle it on his own. See, but I'm not paying y' all no money.

[Cook]

That's the problem with these kids. All these kids do the same shit. They call you for the wrong. When he's asking for a new car, that's when he shouldn't say, I shouldn't call my dad.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. That's what I told him. I said, if you didn't need me for this phone shit, let's say you. You solved it. You still not at the place where you don't need your dad, Right? I'm paying for school, I'm paying for the cars, I'm paying for, miles I'm paying for. But he looking at it as, this is small enough. Paying for everything I could do without having to get that. No, no. Number one, work your way up to the vision that you have of yourself, of not needing your dad.

[Flip]

And that's what he thought. That's what he was doing in his brain.

[Joe Budden]

Your brain is off.

[Mark]

Don't ever.

[Joe Budden]

Don't never listen to your brain. And you don't have you. Clearly, you don't have a network of people to give you good advice outside of your parents. And if you call your parents and then go create a problem, then what the fuck can we do about it?

[Cook]

Call your dad when you 50 about strategic stuff, about advice.

[Joe Budden]

And that's some hood shit, which is what I spoke to him about, and then we can move on. But I was like, yo, dawg, the hood and where we come from, it's a thing. It's almost like a hip hop tagline to be able to say, yo, my dad wasn't there. I. I made it. I'm paying mom rent. This is how I turned out without my dad.

[Ebro]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

In hood folklore, it's my story, too, so ain't nothing wrong. Ain't nothing wrong. Shout out to my dad.

[Mark]

But for those of you that have

[Joe Budden]

dads, don't downplay it.

[Cook]

Call it that shit.

[Mark]

Yo, and I'm saying it. Father's Day is coming up.

[Joe Budden]

Father's Day is this Sunday, yo.

[Mark]

Buy a card, buy some cologne, buy a T shirt, tank top, or some drawers for your old man who been

[Joe Budden]

busting his ass his whole. Your whole life for your little fucking nut head.

[Mark]

If you have a dad like that, ain't something to be like, oh, I don't need them.

[Joe Budden]

I don't.

[Mark]

No. Yeah, you do.

[Cook]

You do.

[Joe Budden]

You do. And if you don't think you do, then learn. You learn the hard way.

[Mark]

That's all I got.

[Ebro]

That's all I got.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done.

[Cook]

As y' all kids get older, and I think Flip can attest to this. Like, every dumbass decision they make to not involve you, you end up having to fix it anyway weighs on you. And it costs 10 times more to fix the problem than did it if they called you in the first place.

[Joe Budden]

It's expensive to be cheap, bro.

[Flip]

Yeah, I can't speak to it because we don't call our friends. It ain't even a kid thing. Like, yo pride is a thing, and trying to fix it on your own is a thing. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying he's right. I'm not saying he's right. I'm just saying, as a part of growing up. He's 25 years old now. You want to kind of try to solve some shit on your own?

[Joe Budden]

All right, well, look.

[Flip]

What? It's dumb.

[Ish]

I mean. Yeah. J.R. lesson learned. J.R. at that.

[Joe Budden]

You really need to buy the.

[Mark]

Dude, stop.

[Flip]

No, you bought it through the drink.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, y' all know somebody?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. Hey, you got some money on you?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Hey, what you got on you?

[Ebro]

Little.

[Mark]

Go ahead, get off my porch while

[Joe Budden]

I let you hold your Social Security card.

[Mark]

See you nuke is. Y' all don't know that the pain when we got beat up and robbed back in the day. We have a Social Security card no more. A birth certificate, our id, our credit card cards, we ain't have.

[Joe Budden]

Nigga, why was that?

[Flip]

Walking around with your Social Security card in your wallet?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Nah, I was. I was. On, God.

[Ebro]

I was.

[Cook]

Yo, if y' all found the address, Of y' all phone at this stage in your life, do y' all go? What do y' all do? How y' all deal with it?

[Ebro]

I've done it recently, actually, but it was a restaurant.

[Cook]

Okay, that's different.

[Ebro]

And we, we knocked on an apartment, but it was old lady.

[Cook]

How many of y' all was. You said we.

[Ebro]

Me, me, me and Rev. Oh, okay.

[Cook]

So that's still you.

[Ebro]

Yeah, it's me.

[Joe Budden]

I don't even understand this question. Find an address on your phone if

[Cook]

your phone is taken in the same situation as Trey.

[Joe Budden]

And an address

[Cook]

of your phone, like, if you're Trey.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to the cops. I'm gonna get a cops. You ain't gotta ask.

[Cook]

No, you might just chalk it.

[Flip]

No, I'm going to call the cops.

[Cook]

I know what you're not doing. I didn't know.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's what we're gonna go. He called the cops. When it ain't no crime, he just speak to them. Yo, I'm here. He just dropped low.

[Mark]

He act like it's probatious.

[Ish]

On top of that, I see a the street robbing somebody else, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm going to Seaside Heights, yo. This, this where I'm at is.

[Cook]

What do you do?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know, yo.

[Cook]

I, I, I think I, I've gone

[Flip]

to get my phone back before, so I can't even attest it.

[Ebro]

I've gone. It was, it was in, it was in a story. It was a downtown, like, wanted an Android.

[Ish]

How you even track that? You can't find.

[Joe Budden]

That's how you got it back.

[Mark]

Yo, big dog, we a know this was an Android. Yo, here, take this back.

[Ish]

Yo, how you found it, boy? You might have called the phone.

[Mark]

They told you it was.

[Ish]

Where was that?

[Joe Budden]

I'm at the door. Yo. You going to live a long time. Oh, yeah. You going to live a long time. I was just talking about you.

[Cook]

We get divers of this.

[Joe Budden]

All right, that's my man. I'm going to the crib.

[Cook]

Not too much on Trey.

[Joe Budden]

Y, not too much.

[Ebro]

Depending on where the crib is, he coming a very important part of this.

[Cook]

That's a good point. If that should say Montclair, New Jersey, I might make a yes.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Cook]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

You know you got my shit was

[Ebro]

right down street the street for me, the story is like, I know my neighborhood and New Jersey.

[Joe Budden]

Your ass might show up anyway, that

[Ebro]

was in Ravenswood or.

[Mark]

Oh, man, we were just talking about you, man.

[Cook]

All good things. All good. It's all good.

[Mark]

Things, man.

[Cook]

All good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Look at my baby, man. Damn. That's how you know it's bad. You came to see dad at work. I got you, man. That. Anyway, where y' all want to go?

[Mark]

What y' all want to talk about?

[Joe Budden]

What do y' all want to talk about from here?

[Mark]

Anywhere y' all want to go.

[Joe Budden]

Anything y' all want to do, let's do it.

[Mark]

Energy up. What up, what up, what up?

[Ish]

Well.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, go ahead, go ahead. You got it.

[Cook]

A lot of people talk about this Jay Z. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

What happened now.

[Cook]

I feel strongly about it.

[Joe Budden]

The freestyle. No, he smoked that shit. For real. Even the disses. Everything at the Roots picnic.

[Ebro]

Where does the Dynasty album belong?

[Cook]

I'm pulling up the story now as. As we get to the 30th anniversary of reasonable Doubt, which we all know. Big concert coming, a lot of excitement. There's also a 30th anniversary edition.

[Joe Budden]

Don't ask me for no honesty on a Jay Z topic before the Yankee Stadium concert. Okay, I'm going, I'm going. And when I. I talk, there's a slight chance that he hears it. So don't ask me nothing. I don't have a take. Call me what you want, but that concert is next month. June is flying.

[Ebro]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Budden]

And you think I'm not gonna be in Yankee Stadium when the Knicks won a championship with my girl and some Bronx. Like, honestly, do you think the suite is gonna be like, Come on, man. I'm sorry, Mark.

[Ish]

Go ahead. It's all good.

[Cook]

It's June 26, 2026 is the 30th anniversary of reasonable Doubt. And to Mark that there's going to be a special 30th anniversary vinyl edition

[Ebro]

with the different picture on it, right?

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cook]

It's supposed to. It's supposed to be dope.

[Mark]

Oh, and unreleased tracks.

[Joe Budden]

Unreleased versions of tracks.

[Cook]

It's a double vinyl.

[Joe Budden]

A double vinyl.

[Mark]

Dust off the record player.

[Ebro]

I think the original one was double vinyl. Anyway.

[Ish]

Exclusive.

[Cook]

Exclusive artwork, packaging, a collectible insert. A lot of shit. It's gonna be $40. The thing is, it's exclusively gonna be at Target.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, okay.

[Cook]

And a lot of people are not happy that it's gonna be at Target.

[Ish]

Why they still boycotting Target?

[Cook]

Exactly. And still, I'm with the people.

[Ish]

I see a lot of niggas at Target. Stop it. Y' all niggas be doing all that shit for the podcast. But be in Target with your stupid ass hood with your fucking hat covering your eyes. I see a lot of you niggas in there.

[Cook]

Where do you be at when you see them?

[Ish]

By Target,

[Cook]

all six.

[Ish]

I see.

[Cook]

I see.

[Ish]

Nigga, you being Target too. N. Y' all niggas gotta stop lying. I hate when y' all do that, bro. It's all right. Yes, we stand up for. What was it that happened?

[Cook]

Racial justice.

[Ish]

Yeah, we stand up for racial justice and all that. But what happens is. Here's the thing. A lot of you guys are following a few a fantasy. Half these that's saying that they don't stand with you. No disrespect. They don't. They are in Target. They're buying the air fryer. They're buying. Help me freeze. They're buying us something safe.

[Mark]

What?

[Ebro]

Soap.

[Ish]

Soap, Target, everything. And they're trying to hide and go like they're trying to go on a low.

[Mark]

But I see medicine.

[Ish]

I'm with you. But I see him. And I wasn't talking because I bought a new air fryer. Double.

[Joe Budden]

We don't suppress nobody voice up here. And we brothers. We in support of each other. However, when the racial injustice.

[Ish]

You was in Target too. Shut your ass up.

[Joe Budden]

When.

[Ish]

Shut up. Tell them take it out.

[Joe Budden]

When the.

[Cook]

No, tell them. Take it out.

[Ish]

You was in Target too. I seen you.

[Joe Budden]

When the racial injustice.

[Cook]

I was really talking about you. Ain't no way you two shop at the same Target.

[Ish]

The same down. What you mean? I'm in a good area. I'm not like you trying to call it for advice or what?

[Mark]

Target.

[Ish]

Target to go to or what? Wawa to go to. I go dolo for delft.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we not supposed. Well, I wasn't Target. My girl needed some about there, but it was empty.

[Ish]

It was. It was.

[Joe Budden]

When I went that one or two times, it was empty. It was empty.

[Ish]

The get money in there.

[Joe Budden]

But yeah, Target is expensive. The racial injustice Target ain't cheap. Oh, I was gonna say yeah. When on the racial injustice. Just let Mark Cook just let him go. And then we coming after, letting him know.

[Cook]

I like when Flick represents the other side because we need that perspective.

[Ish]

Phony boy, cuz I think he represents his phony. Yo.

[Cook]

How am I phony, cuz?

[Joe Budden]

If you let Flip go, he'll get into his FWA bag.

[Cook]

Fba.

[Joe Budden]

No fwa.

[Ish]

Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You let Flip cook. He'll get all. He's 100% FWA.

[Ish]

I don't know what that mean.

[Joe Budden]

Foundational white Americans. Foundational whites.

[Mark]

My boy.

[Joe Budden]

My boy loved them Foundational whites. Now you repping them.

[Ish]

You tatted them I'm telling y' all that people are lying. That's it. That's what I'm saying. There's people lying, but we're gonna lie.

[Joe Budden]

But you stand with us, and I'm not.

[Ish]

Yeah, I stand with the people. But there people lying, the ones that you're following online, they're really going to Target. They're just doing this for.

[Cook]

See, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true.

[Ish]

This.

[Cook]

This is what I think.

[Ish]

Tell me.

[Cook]

I think there are a lot of people that go to Target. They know. They doubt about that. But I have no reason to believe that the people who are organizing boycotts against Target are going to Target. That's not fair. I mean, there's no reason. There's no reason to say that. And we have this thing in our culture, and I don't mean black people. I mean American culture, where we always try to make activists look like hypocrites. You know, and some are, but, like, a lot aren't some people. A lot of people. There's a real principle organized.

[Flip]

You know why that is, though?

[Ish]

For the ones that. Sorry, sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Freeze.

[Flip]

A lot of activist types tend to look down on folk, try to make

[Joe Budden]

it seem like they're better than.

[Flip]

So people be like, well, no, you're not, because you're doing the shit you claim that you don't do.

[Cook]

And if they do that, so that's where.

[Joe Budden]

That's where that pushback comes from. Hey, y. Let's get to the juicy part.

[Cook]

I'm just saying, let's not make it up. Like, there's no reason to believe that the people organizing Target boycotts and shopping.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get to the juice. Let's get to the juice. We kill them so far.

[Cook]

But anyway, the point is, for me, this is a bad look and a bad decision. I think that, you know, for hov. For hov. Yes, for Jay Z.

[Joe Budden]

Do you have your tickets to the concert yet?

[Cook]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, Go ahead, Cook.

[Ish]

No,

[Joe Budden]

yeah, you can take the lead on this.

[Cook]

I think that, first of all, there's a national boycott against Target. I know that there was a moment where we called it over.

[Ebro]

I thought it was over.

[Cook]

Yeah, it was for, like, Jamal Bryant said, the fast is over. But the problem was Jamal Bryant wasn't the person who organized the boycott. You can't go out and cancel a boycott that you didn't start. And what happens. Cause what happens is that's when it starts to look like you have your own deals going on. That's when it starts to look like you're managing your own shit and not listening to the activists. Cause it started in Minnesota after George Floyd. You don't have the power. That'd be like me coming on here saying it's over. We park saying it's over. It's not. There is an ongoing boycott of Target, number one. Number two, after the NFL boycott, you partner with the NFL, right? There's a target boycott. You do a deal with Target. Whether everything is complicated, everything is nuanced, but at the end of the day, it just starts to look, as Joe would say, starts to look away. When every time there's a boycott, you pop up with working with those people. This is not to say that Jay Z doesn't support. The community does. It's not to say that Jay Z doesn't support grassroots efforts. I've personally seen him invest in those things. All that can be true and simultaneously, this is a bad decision. This is a bad choice.

[Flip]

Just optically it just looks.

[Cook]

Just the optics of it are bad. You know what I mean? And I get. People have different opinions on the target boycott in particular.

[Mark]

Fine.

[Cook]

I don't. I think there's a need for one. But whatever you think about the target boycott, it's just a bad look and it doesn't have to happen.

[Ish]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, true, indeed. Just look back, I'm with you.

[Cook]

Wow, y' all some pussies. God damn.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not an activist, bro.

[Cook]

You don't have to be sorry to have an opinion on it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I'll give you my opinion on Joe July 15,

[Cook]

cuz.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that cool, but he might hear me.

[Cook]

I don't think that cool, but he might hear me. It's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

What do you want me to say?

[Cook]

No, I get it.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't dropping in Target. I'm holding it down.

[Cook]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, on some last minute emergency. Don't do that. We ran in there, got a little washcloth and got up out of there.

[Flip]

You got washcloths on target?

[Joe Budden]

Got a little dvd.

[Cook]

What kind of last minute washcloth emergency do you have?

[Ebro]

You know the one.

[Cook]

Can you, can you share more, Joe?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I hate Park. You is jerks. I don't know if it was a washcloth.

[Ish]

I was going say.

[Cook]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, I ain't playing with you.

[Flip]

I use a better hypothetical.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, did you see the. Did you see the polls so far for part of the month?

[Ish]

Yeah, you.

[Cook]

Their view is one of me is two, right?

[Joe Budden]

Did y' all see Darren Peterson's. Did y' all see Darren Peterson's camp saying that he'll only work out for the number one team, for the team with the number one pick.

[Cook]

I ain't mad at that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm tired of him.

[Guest]

He.

[Joe Budden]

He gotta go somewhere now. We done with. I don't give a what. He turned. He's annoying. These young kids is annoying.

[Flip]

Athletes are starting to be too big for their britches. Yo, getting to your professional goal that you dreamed about as a child used to be rewarded. And we got to a place where, especially now when I got nil money, I don't necessarily need your money. So my desperation ain't the same. Like, dog, they are getting to a point where even the shit that Kobe did, I didn't like. And y' all know how I feel about Kobe. I think that shit is arrogant. I think it's pompous to be like, yo, I'm never playing in Charlotte. When you reach the NBA, that's a kid, too. That's a kid's dream. And a kid's goal is to get to the NFL or the NBA or whatever the case may be. And I just. I just think that some of these kids, they just too entitled now. But you've had grown people kissing your ass since you've been in the sixth and seventh grade. So now that entitlement was built off the backs of grown people.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Darren Peterson has already had the most mysterious collegiate career in the history of college basketball players with his I'm playing. I'm not playing. I'm not hurt. DNPS coach is playing me. Coaches not playing me. Hey, what's going on?

[Flip]

On?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not revealing the injury. It's already looked. Teams all season long have been trying to say, I don't know about what's going on with him. I wouldn't trust it. I'm a black dude. That's a black man. So I was gonna hold off on that. But to go through all of that in college and then pop out and say, I'm only working out for one team, who the fuck?

[Flip]

I mean, if that shit worked for me through college, why would I not do that? You get what I'm saying? If they've been accommodating me and they. And I've been able to sell you, yo, I'm not playing. I'm not doing this.

[Joe Budden]

Back to my victory. Women yawning point. Yo, don't blow the world interview. This is a world interview. This is not one team watching you. It's not one league watching you. This is not only the adults in Utah or only the Washington adults. The world is watching what you do right here. When we used to play spades, me and my pop versus Keith and whoever. And. And you be sitting there thinking about what card to play. Keith, Keith said, hey, they're all gonna. Gonna laugh at you. It's just funny to say because you're sitting there. They all, they're all gonna laugh at you. That pressure, the lights get bright, they're gonna laugh.

[Mark]

Yeah. The world is watching what you do

[Joe Budden]

in this particular moment. Darren Peterson, I do not understand. I don't get it. So it's a mistake. Yo, I don't know who his agent is.

[Flip]

I'm telling you, I get it, but I don't get it.

[Cook]

I get it.

[Flip]

I won't say it publicly. I would never say it publicly.

[Joe Budden]

No, you have to say it.

[Flip]

No, no, no. I wouldn't say. If I was in his position, I wouldn't say it publicly. That what happens is a lot of times these people, some. The word is out professionally that some of these organizations are just shitty, poorly ran organizations. And so a lot of times now, because they do have a little bit more power in their hands, I don't want to go over there to a fucking sinking ship like these.

[Ish]

Some.

[Flip]

No disrespect, yo, the Sixes are a shitty organization, B. Like, historically, over the last 20, 30 years, they just make bad decisions. Niggas get drafted by them. It don't work out, right. And now I'm going off to some of the best years of my career off of the back of some fucked up organization. Some of these people now know some of the personnel and they be wanting to go better places.

[Cook]

I. I think for me, it depends on whether what your draft position is. Because, like, I had that critique of Ace Bailey last year, right? And so in the same way, we wouldn't want to call him entitled, which is, you know, I would say I wouldn't call these guys entitled necessarily.

[Flip]

It is entitlement, though.

[Cook]

But I think it depends, okay, if I'm the consensus number one. I don't think it's a crazy thing to say. I'm not working out for other people because I don't want to incentivize other teams.

[Joe Budden]

We can throw that first option out,

[Flip]

but you dis Ace for that last

[Cook]

year, I don't think Ace wasn't consensus,

[Joe Budden]

and Darren Peterson is not the consensus top three pick.

[Flip]

And everybody's.

[Joe Budden]

That's not consensus number.

[Flip]

I'm not this.

[Ish]

No, but let me finish.

[Cook]

Here's what I'm saying first because you're making my point. If, if your consensus number one, I think it's okay to not work out for nobody else. If there's a chance, yes. If you're, for example, Tim Duncan wasn't getting drafted by anybody else other than the Spurs. So if I'm Tim Duncan, I'm not going to the number two, three, you

[Joe Budden]

have to waste time.

[Cook]

But if I am somebody who's a top three pick, like ace or top, you know, somebody who one of three teams could draft, I do think you should work out for all three teams. I think if you should work out for the teams in your range. If I'm ace, I don't go to number 12 for the same reason. Or number eight, I think you should work out for teams in your range. And if this kid is a consensus number one, I ain't mad at that. I don't necessarily think that's entitlement. I'm just saying that's his team's. That's his.

[Flip]

All right, so from somebody that know a little bit about. A little bit about some of this stuff, everybody gases you, bro. Everybody gases you got every team, every. Yo, if you slip here, we definitely taking you. And they lying. They telling everybody the same exact shit. When they got been on some of them calls, they telling the same. The same exact. If you're the number one. But who says he's the consensus number one? Did the people with the first pick say, yo, we definitely taking them? Yes, they. They had a jersey.

[Cook]

I don't know if they have a jersey, but that's what the reports are saying. I think that. That's why I'm saying I'm okay with it. If the, if the first team hasn't

[Joe Budden]

said who they want, no consistent consensus number one mean the only player that's going number one.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Yes. And most times.

[Joe Budden]

So this year there's not one of those.

[Flip]

And most times the team AJ is not.

[Joe Budden]

AJ's not a consensus number.

[Cook]

If the first team says we're taking you, then that makes you right.

[Joe Budden]

Typically, they didn't say that.

[Flip]

Typically, the team will.

[Cook]

My understanding, according to reports, they did.

[Flip]

Washington, Yes, I heard it.

[Cook]

Okay, that's my point.

[Joe Budden]

I don't want to get in the hearsay land. I didn't hear it.

[Cook]

I'm saying I read the report. The court could be wrong. What I'm saying is, if the team has told you.

[Joe Budden]

If Washington said that, then why would Derek Peterson say that? That wouldn't even make sense. If Washington said I'm taking action. AJ Then Darren saying, I'm only working out for Washington.

[Mark]

No, I'm sorry.

[Cook]

I'm saying they're the person that they're number one. I'm sorry. I misheard what you said. I misheard what you said. No, not that. AJ Is that Darren thinks he's going first.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cook]

And he's saying.

[Joe Budden]

Because. Are you saying that Washington at some point expressed. We want Darren.

[Cook]

That's the report that's come out today.

[Flip]

I've seen. See this the funny part.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so we.

[Ish]

All right, hold on, hold on.

[Flip]

Because I've seen in D.C. that. That they got AJ already picked. Like, they got AJ as a part of the team. They got. So this is my point. You not guaranteed to be the consensus number one pick. I don't give a fuck what. Cause Parks could say something and Joe could say something. That means that there's a reasonable doubt there that, no, it's not gonna be you. It's gonna be aj. No, it's gonna be Darren. Like, yo, dawg, I just think that a lot of times nowadays these boys have learned a little bit more. They a little bit more involved in the process. They got a little bit more paper than they ever, ever had. And I. I think it is entitlement, and it could be a good and a bad thing for them to take their careers into their own hands.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, what's that? I think he coming off like a dick, but realizing how you.

[Flip]

Some of that arrogance. You got to come off like a dick, though. Like, I look back to Dion when the Giants tried to. Yo, what pick of y', all, Yo, I don't need that. I'm not going to be there.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's the flyest in the world.

[Cook]

World.

[Joe Budden]

That's not him being a dick, but

[Flip]

that's what I'm saying. So if.

[Joe Budden]

If I know I'm going one or two, it's most super aura that's before or farming even existed. That was just. That was natural.

[Flip]

If I know for a fact I'm going one or two, and you're pick number seven. I'm not talking to y'. All.

[Mark]

Darren, Peter does not know that he's

[Joe Budden]

going one or two.

[Flip]

Well, Mark was saying he does.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Cook]

His team is.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care. I want to deal in the fact that Marcus said that. I take his word, but it's not a fact yet. So he just.

[Mark]

He don't, you know. No, it just comes off away.

[Cook]

That's all it comes off.

[Mark]

And young people don't be giving a

[Joe Budden]

fuck about how they come off. So that. That's all I got on that Darren

[Flip]

Peterson that's going to affect him later on.

[Mark]

Good luck, boy.

[Joe Budden]

You better be fucking Kyrie with the Rock. You better be. He better be nice. And I think he is nice. But we will see. We will see.

[Mark]

What else? What else? What else?

[Joe Budden]

What else is important, Unimportant. We at motherfucking. How much time we at right now?

[Ebro]

Three.

[Cook]

Two hours.

[Joe Budden]

We had the two hour.

[Mark]

Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I heard the JBTV community fans on Mark's ass for not coming in here and giving it up on the Charlamagne academics topic. I heard you lie to them and say, you know what? I'm putting that on the board. Man, we do got to get to that.

[Cook]

And then I heard you come on after me and say we weren't. So that's why I didn't do a board.

[Joe Budden]

Two hours in and you have yet to say a word. Meanwhile, Professor, I had to call academics up on my off day and sit on the phone for two hours to talk about academics and Charlamagne, even though Charlamagne is your friend. So did you call Charlamagne? Are we getting to the root of this thing or what?

[Cook]

You said you didn't want to cover it, so I let it alone.

[Joe Budden]

No, I said I don't want to cover it. I don't want to cover a Charlotte Charlemagne versus George grand wizard, whoever this loser nigga is that I don't fuck with. Hey, George grand, whatever your name is, the second you step foot on American soil, I'm calling the police. That don't hit as hard as what I wanted to say. I'm calling the cops on you. Fuck that nigga.

[Cook]

But give us the breakdown, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

This topic seems to be pretty hot.

[Ish]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

The fans are on me for not talking about it. And, yo, listen, I don't care care about it. A lot of the that y' all care about. In the group chat, Mark tried to send me whatever old Skino had to say. Yeah, we saw that the Knicks just won the championship. Osino.

[Mark]

I don't listen to what you got

[Joe Budden]

to say on a regular Wednesday. I damn sure ain't about to do it on a Knicks championship run next week. We'll get into some of that. Who else? Somebody else been talking. Anyway, I go, yeah, shout out. But anyway, I called that up and I said, all right. How real is you versus Charlemagne? Is it really happening? Now, I seen you go online and say, if you call me telling me some shit and you don't tell me who it come from? I assume that you down with it. I've seen him going on his podcast talking about it. Where does this stand? And AX said to me the same thing that I told the JBTV fans. He was gonna say, y' all ain't

[Cook]

got no beef with you.

[Joe Budden]

On me, I have zero beef with Charlamagne. What's going on is this dude, whoever George is the academics TV page for academics. That is his community. That's not just one person. That is his world of Clippers. And it just happens to have a head clipper who runs his account. According to act, that has been like a fan run page for quite some time. And that page, the Dream George dude, specifically has something going on with Charlamagne to. Whereas George thinks that Charlamagne is sick and private investigators on him and trying to dig into his life. He's saying he's walking out of the house and seeing strange people. And he puts that on Charlamagne. And Charlamagne is saying, this dude is and continues to post horrible things about me. And we gonna get to the bottom of this. Cause who is this faceless person that's from Australia that's named George that got this resume? And Charlamagne is on his podcast running it down. To me, even that sounds funny, because Charlamagne beefing with some fucking faceless nigga in Australia that runs a Clipper page looks nuts, but I can't. I'm not in his shoes.

[Flip]

Why look nuts?

[Ish]

I don't agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

Why does it look nuts?

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you gonna talk or you want me to.

[Mark]

I'm about.

[Ish]

No, I'm about to go.

[Joe Budden]

I think his voice is. I think his voice is too big. Like, if you feel like somebody is tweeting defamatory things, there are ways to go about that in the back channels and take care of it. Also, if George. If homeboy is right in these private eyes, being from Charlamagne, and that means we're already doing things behind the scenes to try to rectify the situation. So there's no need to make a public spectacle. There's no need to take something light that's serious. Don't misrepresent it to a lot of

[Flip]

these folks, though, especially the nameless ones who run around saying the craziest shit about people. The one place you get them is removing that faceless part. Now, if I show the world who

[Joe Budden]

you are in court, well, to them,

[Flip]

court of public opinion.

[Joe Budden]

See, I think Charlamagne is too big for the Court of public opinion gaze. That's my opinion.

[Ish]

But it's attached to academics.

[Joe Budden]

That's my.

[Ish]

Academics is a big media page. It's attached to him. So it gets more light than. It's not light. It gets more light because it's attached to academics. So if you using. If that platform that's attached to you is saying something defamatory about me, and I know it's gonna get a lot of views, I'm going to take it upon myself to find out who it is. I don't think Charlamagne's doing anything wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Well, of course, I do agree.

[Ish]

Would you say maybe he shouldn't talk about it publicly, but fuck all that shit?

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Send niggas to his house and find out who he is and get there for cause.

[Joe Budden]

And again, according to act, he has told this page, stand down on Charlamagne or speaking about his peers because he don't rock like that. But if the dude running the page feels like there are private eyes and other things happening in my life that he is attributing to Charlamagne, according to act, it's tough for ACT to then say, yo, all right, stand down. So ACT feels like he's in a tough spot, in a vulnerable comp. Compromise position. He says he wants to get on the phone and squash it with both of them because that shit is whack. And this is not an academics versus Charlemagne thing, okay? This is Charlemagne versus the dude to George, and he's caught in the middle of it. That is what I got from our 90 minutes. Two hours of talking, and that's all the research I'm doing on it.

[Cook]

That's. I think that's what the fans wanted. They wanted your take on it.

[Ebro]

Investigative journalism.

[Cook]

Exactly. We nailed it. So I want to ask y' all something, please. I was following news. I'm sure y' all saw the story. James Harden was arrested a couple days ago. Misdemeanor possession of gun in Texas, right? Yeah. Gun. He was in Houston with a gun on his head.

[Joe Budden]

Nick's algorithm at all.

[Ish]

It wasn't in the host.

[Joe Budden]

Did he have on orange and blue when they arrested him?

[Flip]

I mean, he. Part of the reason y' all got

[Cook]

there about to say, well, yeah, he definitely might have been Easter finals, but I think, anyway, the story was interesting to me because. Not because he got arrested. He. He bailed out quickly. I think this bail was a hundred dollars. I think this will get dealt with. It's probably all a big misunderstanding. Shout out to James Harden. We love him, but My question was, he's really, really rich.

[Ebro]

That's true.

[Cook]

And he's walking around with a gun or driving around with a gun. Is there a point?

[Joe Budden]

Is there an open carry state?

[Cook]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, there's no judgment about the gun. I'm thinking about how rich he is still needing to carry a gun.

[Flip]

That's more the reason to carry it where.

[Joe Budden]

Serious?

[Ebro]

Are you joking?

[Cook]

No, I'm dead ass serious. I'd have a team of people holding guns for me.

[Flip]

But not everywhere you go, you want a team of people with you. Like in certain places, depending on what.

[Ish]

He kinda got some bunks.

[Flip]

He could have been doing a number of different activities when he was by himself.

[Joe Budden]

School market mark's over now. He's like, why would you need a weapon?

[Mark]

Hey, yeah, School mark real quick, he

[Ish]

went to the shorty house with all the brothers outside. Hey, yo.

[Cook]

Yeah, but that's actually what I would do. I would have niggas waiting outside.

[Flip]

No, he saying you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you never.

[Cook]

No, I get what he's saying. I'm saying I would move different. I just wouldn't move solo.

[Flip]

Bro, it's three o' clock in the morning. You don't want. I don't know, it depends.

[Ebro]

I don't want to take the team to go down.

[Joe Budden]

I was on the edge of my seat. Then you end with.

[Mark]

Say it.

[Flip]

Tell him, no, I be getting cut off. But anyway, yo, so anyway, you'll lose your train of thought. But I'm saying, like your dog, you. You just don't want a team of people everywhere you going. Some things are more intimate than others. Some things are a little more personal to others. So again, you tiptoeing a chick house at 2:00 in the morning. You don't want Brutus downstairs waiting for you.

[Joe Budden]

You think the niggas, you think athletes and rappers and all the. Let's keep it athletes.

[Ebro]

The rap.

[Joe Budden]

You think athletes that always have a team of people with them, always have a team of people with them?

[Cook]

No, I think any place you go, where I need to carry. Where you need to carry a gun, you should have somebody there carrying a gun.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes it's not even about the need. I'm just telling you, it ain't even the need to carry it.

[Flip]

It'll be the one time you don't have a gun where you like.

[Joe Budden]

Damn, I wish I had caught the drop.

[Ebro]

In a state where this is normal

[Joe Budden]

behavior, you rather be caught with it than caught without it is step number one. Step number rule number two, like parks and Isf already said they didn't arrest him for having a gun. They arrested him for the gun not being holstered.

[Ish]

Yeah, it was in the holster.

[Joe Budden]

He's interstate where it's all right to carry. Listen, I saw a Don Tripp interview recently. Shout out to Don Tripp, Ice's man, friend of the show.

[Flip]

He's out here right now.

[Joe Budden]

And he was talking about LeBron's comments about, about Memphis. And what he said was, yo, the thing that nobody wants to say is that downtown or whatever the area that LeBron was talking about, that look like what it need to look like if you're going down there to play a basketball game and going on about your business. But the problem is that all of these athlete want to be where the is at. They want to be in the mix. They want to be with the dope boys. They want to be with the girls that surround the dope boys. They want to play in the underworld of things. And that's the part that's not brought to ESPN or the commercials. So when you play in the underworld of things, yes, you're going to have have a gun on you. We don't heard too many stories of rappers and basketball players at dice games where something went wrong. We done heard. We done heard. We don't heard. We done heard at rest, at restaurants. We don't heard Benny was at Kmart, Walmart or some out there. Like, at any time it can happen to you. And that's the one time whenever that mix is happening where if you need it, it should be somewhere near.

[Flip]

See? But now I'm agreeing with Mark when I go to those underground places.

[Joe Budden]

And that's why with you. Go ahead.

[Flip]

No, in those places, I want the. That's six, seven. That's protecting me.

[Joe Budden]

But I just named Mad other places. No, he ain't have to have been at one of them places.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm addressing the part where you talking about the underworld. When I'm in the underworld, I want the. That know the.

[Mark]

The local.

[Flip]

I want a security that's from me, not a foreigner. But when I'm sneaking outside of tatanisha house at 3 o', clock, I don't want this with me.

[Joe Budden]

That's that. That's why I'm about to say you saying that. And it sounds good. But you don't agree with him because at some point you about to bust a move.

[Flip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, and when you bust that move, y' all out for the night.

[Ish]

And again, you done did some freaky all night. You want to see? No. You want to go drive to your house?

[Flip]

Open carry state. Which means everybody around here got one.

[Ebro]

That's the main part. To me that's even more.

[Cook]

I want a team of. With guns.

[Mark]

Is that what I.

[Flip]

No, we saying it's.

[Joe Budden]

Even if I'm busting a room, a married man that's going to shoot in this thing together.

[Cook]

No, it's the opposite. It's from.

[Flip]

Stepped up on Mark. Dennis.

[Cook]

No, I went.

[Mark]

He was going to the trunk.

[Cook]

I went to the trunk. I'm not worth half a billion dollars.

[Ish]

Come on, Mark.

[Flip]

Outside regular Mark.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. That's naive to say.

[Mark]

Hold on, hold on.

[Cook]

Just start to say. What am I saying that you disagree with?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I disagree with the very last sentence that you just said. You don't need to be worth a certain amount to need a weapon in certain neighborhoods.

[Cook]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

But you just said that.

[Ish]

No, no.

[Cook]

That was in response to you saying about my life. And I'm saying if I were him, I'd be moving differently because I don't mean doing the things you just described.

[Mark]

Oh, what I do.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, I disagree with the entire premise. What I'm saying is you'll be alone at some point.

[Cook]

Yeah, right. And I'm saying I'm either not going to go places where I need to carry a weapon with that much of a price on my head, or I'm gonna go there with people who can carry this weapon for me. This isn't about him being doing something illegal. It's an open carry stable. As y' all said. I don't want James Harden have to shoot somebody. I want my man to have to shoot somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Mark, if James Harden your man ain't gonna be there, though. That's and. And forget about it. If James Harden, who knows who he is, if he shoots somebody, what was the alternative?

[Cook]

Right, I get it. I don't want him to be in a situation where he has to make that argument.

[Joe Budden]

Mark. People. What I'm disagreeing with is sometimes. Sometimes you can't have. That's not your choice. It's not your choice when and where the drama rolls up on you. Some states, period. Some states, when you land in that state, get with somebody is going to have that's going to be Louisiana, Texas, Ohio, Florida. And you know the type of time James is on. So if he ain't got security or some were like, we ain't got to guess what the James was doing. We know what he he was doing again. That's why when thinking with their dick, we going to grab a gun and go. We done been to some of the worst buildings, projects, blocks, towns.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I can't speak for you. I don't know if you did.

[Mark]

The rest of us, we done been everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

Get picking up that fireman.

[Mark]

You risk it, you risk it.

[Cook]

And all y' all using the word risk. I'm saying the more I have, the less I want to risk.

[Joe Budden]

Look, that's all.

[Ish]

But you more mature than us.

[Flip]

Is this a true story about the self discipline? They said the girl didn't work at Starlets.

[Joe Budden]

That's AI, Yo.

[Flip]

They said the girl ain't work at starlets, but it's supposedly a stripper girl that lived in Connecticut that lined up at least 75 niggas. It just came out this weekend, but they saying she worked at starlets. But a couple of starlets girls like, no, she didn't. She never worked here. But they said it's a stripper chick.

[Joe Budden]

That be. Well, the mom. Would you put that on starlets if it's not founded.

[Cook]

He took that person off.

[Flip]

I took them off. I said that the girls from starlets like investigative journalism, take this out. I'm like, yo, she don't work here. She didn't come here. You know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Send me the article, yo.

[Cook]

Yeah, well, let's say Parks don't do this.

[Joe Budden]

So again, this girl.

[Flip]

This girl could live in a good community where you feel like you don't need a gun and she could be lining your stupid ass up.

[Ish]

We got it. Send me the choices.

[Joe Budden]

Are y' all of the belief, and I'm asking this in closing, that any pussy you get, not inside your house, you might need a gun. Yes, yes.

[Flip]

Yeah, kind of. You might.

[Cook]

Absolutely.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

[Cook]

And in my 20s, I rolled up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's my final question.

[Cook]

Yeah, I agree with y'. All.

[Joe Budden]

It's always you saying James should skip the pussy.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Cook]

No, I'm saying he should bring some extra people to get pussy side. Yes.

[Flip]

To get pussy downstairs while I'm getting

[Cook]

pussy as an international superstar worth half a billion dollars in the state where he's the most recognized, recognizable. Yes. I think he has to do different than we did at 25. Roll up in projects.

[Ish]

Yes, but some did that, though. Some had people wait outside for the outside.

[Flip]

Yeah, but he's.

[Ish]

The mark is not wrong.

[Joe Budden]

But again, like, how about buy a holster? That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

If you in one of them states,

[Joe Budden]

just Having a gun is going to get you arrested.

[Flip]

I understand that. But if I'm here where I could walk into Walmart and just buy a gun and it's all good, I'm had a gun on me.

[Cook]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

He might not even be thinking.

[Ebro]

I mean, which is a bad thing in its own sense, but he might not even thinking about the gun because

[Mark]

it's an open carry in the car

[Cook]

and they'll probably drop them charges. That's. I'm not worried about the legal. If he was in the state. If he was in the state. This ain't got nothing to do with the legal part. This ain't got nothing to do with

[Ebro]

the police say he might not have left the crib and been like, let me take the gun. I'm going to get it. Might just be in the guard. He went to go get some.

[Cook]

That's even more than guns. On your seat. Yeah. Shout out to James Harden. Man, I hope they drop these two charges. I think he's being railroaded free to people.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to James, man. Yeah, well, he's freed now.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Welcome home.

[Flip]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

What's up, man? Playing y'. All. Exclusive audio of Julian Champagne and Victor Wena immediately after the finals, visiting some sick kids and a hospital to make their day.

[Mark]

Oh, say hi.

[Guest]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Man, this is awesome. I love PR moves, yo. I love when is trashing you because you've been a ass and a French dick for about two weeks. Oh, you made this girl's day, man. None more than having a big loser with some spare time show up to the hospital, man. None better than. Oh, look at it. Handing out some toys to the sick kids as a sick kid. Oh, look at him. Oh, this is the cutest thing in the world, man. There you go, Victor. Hold up, hold up. She about to talk to him. Look, they about to take another picture. This is so cute, y'.

[Cook]

All.

[Joe Budden]

A thank you. Thank you.

[Mark]

Nice to meet you. Thank you. Can I get you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, this is too sweet.

[Mark]

Thank you.

[Joe Budden]

That's how you know this nigga lost. Bad boy. Yo, Abe. Abe. Hey, homeboy, when the sick kids call, you supposed to schedule it? We all get them calls, yo. Yo, I know a nigga that's dying, yo. He just wants you to say what's up.

[Mark]

All right?

[Joe Budden]

Is he gonna be alive in a week or two?

[Cook]

You can't ask how many T cells he got left. Oh, when he makes a phone call.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, if he gonna be alive by

[Mark]

Thursday, I'll be right there.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you know, Victor ass is such a buff. He shot right there. Finals ain't been over a day. He in the hospital, yo. Nah, listen, he said I'll come after the finals. No, no, no.

[Mark]

Look, look, nice to meet you. Thank you. Yo, you know how much of a loser you got to be for the sick kids?

[Joe Budden]

Kids to be happy to meet you and proud of you.

[Cook]

Wow.

[Mark]

What? Listen, I'm very proud of y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

Look, she proud of him.

[Mark]

You gotta feel like a loser if

[Joe Budden]

the sick kid y' all lost.

[Mark]

What is that? Yeah, why are you in. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Why are you in my hospital, you bitch ass nigga? Why you think a sick kid feel good about seeing a loser in a low value, low character standing here? Why you got so much free time? Why you not occupied?

[Joe Budden]

You French. Come on. When the sick kids go, you can't rush right there.

[Ish]

Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

You can't rush right there. You got to have something to do. Yo, as soon as I get back from 7 11. As soon as I get back from.

[Cook]

Don't look too eager.

[Mark]

The car wash.

[Joe Budden]

I'll be right there.

[Mark]

And then when I get there, the sick kid ain't supposed to be be

[Joe Budden]

like, yo, proud of you. Sick kid mad as.

[Flip]

Yo, I just watched the game, yo.

[Mark]

No, where's Jalen?

[Cook]

Where's Andrew Shamon?

[Mark]

Where's OG at?

[Joe Budden]

I'm looking at Victor and Julian Champagne.

[Cook]

Whatever.

[Ish]

That's the parents.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, no, hold up. Yo, ain't no sick kid better tell me you proud of me. That mean I lost

[Guest]

you too.

[Joe Budden]

Keep playing this.

[Ish]

That's the Mary being proud.

[Joe Budden]

Look, they too happy he's there. That's how you know you're a loser. You gotta. You're mad at my parents. You gotta go hang out with the sick kids. Man, that's what y' all got. Y' all got the runner ups to come here, man. Sick kid gotta wait. If I just won the championship. Hey, I'll be over there at the Harlem Hospital on. On Sunday. Hey, I'll get over.

[Mark]

I'll get there in July.

[Joe Budden]

I'll get there when I get there.

[Mark]

Hey, that's hospital got some of them breathing machines. You go, hey, hook. Hook one of them little up to.

[Ish]

Enough, all right? Enough.

[Mark]

They got biters.

[Ish]

Enough.

[Joe Budden]

We won the championship. You talking about a sick kid. Take a Tylenol. Take a Tylenol for a month.

[Ebro]

Shout to all the sick kids.

[Mark]

But this ain't about the sick kids. Shout out to the sick kids. We love the sick Kids, it's about Victor Ass having. Having nothing to do. Having all the time in the world. Stay there for. For hours for Santa Claus.

[Ish]

Yeah,

[Joe Budden]

is.

[Mark]

I don't care that you got more morals than me.

[Flip]

Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

I say I don't care. Anyway.

[Mark]

All right, what else is important?

[Joe Budden]

Unimportant. What's happening here?

[Mark]

Tyra Banks.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. We could do Tyra what you wanted to do some corporate.

[Cook]

Since we're a music podcast. I was going to talk about the new Grammy categories and the new Grammy rules.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's real good. That's better than what I was thinking.

[Ebro]

It's not though, unless you're a big K pop fan.

[Cook]

Well, the rules I like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh God.

[Guest]

The rules change.

[Joe Budden]

Let me hear the rules.

[Cook]

What do I mean? So the new rules changes a couple. One, the best new artist category, you can submit in that area four times instead of three now, which I think is good because the idea is that it takes longer to break through as an artist now. So they want to give new artists a better. A longer Runway for.

[Joe Budden]

They kind of been doing that.

[Ebro]

Yeah. New has been pretty liberal for a while for sure.

[Cook]

But you know, I actually like that rule. They also are allowing members to vote in more categories now.

[Ebro]

Okay, I don't love that either, but

[Joe Budden]

okay, I don't like that.

[Cook]

Maybe. You know, the one that I like the most though is the number of songs on an album. It used to be, I think 70, 70%. Something had to be. The album had to be 70 some percent of new records to count as a new album.

[Ebro]

Okay.

[Cook]

Now they dropped it to the 60s. So the idea is, is that you can still drop some, put some old tracks on an album. If it's generally considered by the public as a new record, it gives you a better chance of competing. That's also it's trying to create more space for more artists to get more awards, which I like as a general rule. Now the five awards, I don't care as much about the five categories as much I know that's the thing that everybody's pissed about.

[Ebro]

There's one in there that's cool.

[Cook]

But there's R and B. There's a new best R and B collaboration or duo group performance award, you know, more groups.

[Ebro]

So.

[Cook]

Right. But expand, you know, because R B is so broad now. You know what I'm saying? There's a folk category. There's a K pop category, which I think is unnecessary.

[Ebro]

No, I think that's extra.

[Cook]

I mean, I take that back. I just don't care. K Pop fair I don't care enough about K pop.

[Ebro]

A lot of people do, though.

[Joe Budden]

That is huge.

[Flip]

Phenomenal.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

And then there's a new Best Pop Performance category. So all of that is. Is there. So the Grammys will be a little bit broader, Maybe. Hopefully it creates room for more people.

[Ish]

Got it.

[Ebro]

We'll see.

[Flip]

We'll see.

[Joe Budden]

And also the new podcast Grammy yet?

[Ebro]

Not yet.

[Cook]

Not yet. We still waiting.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Cook]

You ain't gonna apply for it. I don't know why you care.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. But I would like it to be

[Cook]

there so we can hate on whoever win.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. This honest, too.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Just want to hate now.

[Cook]

You have some Ty Banks business that you wanted to talk about?

[Joe Budden]

Nah. But now we on music. I thought of some other messy music. What's up, yo? Heard JT new song?

[Cook]

No, I did not.

[Flip]

Yo, you.

[Cook]

Yeah, you really.

[Joe Budden]

You really like King of the Birds, Condor, or some different? Listen, listen. Damn. Listen, listen, listen. Call the Condor. I'mma play this little snippet that you put out, but before I play it and it sound fire, if you. Jt, would you be putting out a Fire single right now? I mean, maybe. Yeah, that's fine. All right, I'll play it first, and then y' all answer me. And in the picture, she got titties out. Okay.

[Cook]

Helps.

[Joe Budden]

The Coliseum stay out the way, but these still find me. It cuts off right there.

[Ebro]

Oh, okay. I was not. I'm whelmed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

Same.

[Mark]

It's not about.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't bring it up to ask y' all what y' all thought of the record.

[Ebro]

It's impossible to enjoy. That's like trailer music. Like, you can't really.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It might not even be a record. Like, on Instagram, it says JT Mashup, so who knows what that'll sound like? But it did give me the thing thinking, if you jt, and the record you coming with is on some strip club energy, on some city girl energy, would you do it right this second, is all.

[Ish]

Well, it depends on how it is

[Joe Budden]

with Spin that going on.

[Flip]

It depends on how I test it,

[Joe Budden]

because then it looks like a city girl battle. If both of y' all have city girl sounding records and y' all are pushing them at the same time, but

[Ebro]

it works if they're both fire.

[Flip]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Cook]

If.

[Flip]

If that. If. If the people I got around me are saying, yo, this is a smoker.

[Ebro]

Cause I'll play them shits back just on some messy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. But Also putting out your successful strip club record while mine is running his head.

[Ish]

Are they cool?

[Flip]

I don't with you, so.

[Mark]

All right. It could be hate.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just telling how it looks.

[Ebro]

Oh, yeah.

[Ish]

It's meant to look that way.

[Flip]

Not many drop a record to step on somebody else's record or try to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But you better be careful. I'm not saying, Stephen, what you're trying to step on is this might not

[Flip]

be trying to step on. This might be trying to gain some. A little bit of traction. Offend.

[Ish]

That is moving, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it is.

[Ebro]

It is.

[Ish]

Freeze.

[Joe Budden]

You heard outside, and it's work. I'm like, I heard it outside.

[Ish]

Last week.

[Cook]

I had to change my position flip. I was talking till I heard that outside.

[Ish]

Oh, man.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what grifters do. You going to change your position?

[Ish]

Spin that.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm glad you came around.

[Ish]

Spin that.

[Cook]

Yeah. I had to hear how people responded to it, hearing it in a. In a spot versus, like, in here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

It's different.

[Ish]

A lot of girls anthem. It's for the now.

[Joe Budden]

No, the took that record.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And the fans are tired of me talking about it, so I'm muting up. But the definitely took that record. Girl, girls be nodding the head. Get the.

[Ish]

Y' all gotta go outside soil. Put your foot on the grass and be outside, and you'll see what that record is doing.

[Flip]

You jt, you drop.

[Joe Budden]

Don't be like, is you supposed to drop? While we are in new music. Let's talk about these tiny desks. Let's talk about these tiny desks. I don't know if anyone had a chance to see Joe. Joe's tiny desk. Wait, you saw what?

[Cook]

I watched Eve's, but I saw clips of Joe's.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, is it Eve Tiny desk out.

[Cook]

It came out today or this morning.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I have to watch that?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Cook]

Or yesterday, I should say. It was fire. She looked amazing, sounded great. The band was perfect. Some of them songs are hard to replicate with a band, but they. They. They killed it. They killed it like. Like tambourine. I wasn't sure I How that was going to go live, but that was.

[Flip]

It went off.

[Cook]

That was fire.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Cook]

Her energy was great. She looked like. I said, everything was just fire, you know? Shout out to Eve. Joe. I saw about half of it, and I saw clips of the rest. He sounded.

[Joe Budden]

Check him out, though.

[Flip]

Tiny dust was made for a. Like Joe.

[Mark]

If you want me to. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Budden]

I did some of my best work when this was Out. I did some of my best work when this was out. Hey, And this when I first learned how to hate. This is when I first learned how to hate. All the things he won't do.

[Flip]

30 Mac hall of Fame.

[Mark]

What? What he ain't doing, girl.

[Joe Budden]

And that was a lie. I wasn't about to do it either. But it did say I would do none of that at all. Sping, you be playing with Joe Thomas, Pen.

[Mark]

Yo, any way that I can please you.

[Joe Budden]

Look at his getting back in his bag, thinking about them long phone calls.

[Ish]

$14.

[Flip]

Leave a message after the beat.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, I want to know. Adult music. Let's go now.

[Ebro]

Real instruments.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cutting this off before I say what I want to say about the background singing.

[Ish]

Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not.

[Ish]

Shout out to Tiny Desk, though. Shout out to catch the band, too. I saw him on Tiny Desk. Trinidad saw that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I seen, I seen, I seen. Kai Senat turned away Armand Wiggins from the streaming university because of his age, which happens to be the same age that you are.

[Ebro]

Not with the die.

[Joe Budden]

No, still with the die. Still with the die. I just wanted to tell you that you always welcome here. I don't care that Kasanet didn't accept you and Armand.

[Ish]

I didn't try.

[Mark]

Armand, you fly in my book. Number one. Number two, Queen's flip.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care how old Queen's flip is.

[Mark]

He's gang.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, listen. Don't listen to this.

[Mark]

You couldn't get in over there with the young boys. That's popping, popping and lit. So with the old. That's lit. We got him. Look at him.

[Ish]

Hey, yo, negativity.

[Cook]

Highlighter is back.

[Ish]

Let me tell you why, Bird. Highlighter. Here's the thing. I went there to support. I had to come to the podcast, too. Had to be here at a certain time. I went there to support Shout out the Lovers there. Y' all see what got on work? Y' all see what happen?

[Ebro]

That's true.

[Cook]

He. He always comes at that time.

[Ish]

No, I don't have. Do you talk to your Philly counterpart? That doesn't come all the time. Watch your mouth when you talk to me. Yeah, what you talking about?

[Cook]

Quest Love

[Ish]

over there, too, Nigga. You are now affiliate associate. Fuck you. Yo, don't listen to this nigga, man. Shout out to Kai. Shout out to the Streamers University. You see what goes on, man, don't listen to Joe. I mean, turn all the old niggas back. You know what I'm saying? But, hey, Kai, Support it.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna lie. We don't talk often on the phone, but call me so I can give you some of the small details in this contract that do appointments plot at me.

[Cook]

You got a 360 coming back to bite.

[Mark]

Can I just talk? Yo,

[Ish]

you letting the cheerleaders hype you.

[Mark]

No, no, no. Let me talk,

[Ish]

Kai.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. Yo, take this as a referral. This boy right, right here. 100x, man. 100x your business. When he first got here, what I was making versus what I'm making now. Let him in that house, yo. He gonna do the right thing over there. Now, when y' all break bread, you do have to call me. Because I could tell you what's in his contract if you text me. But it's not just between y' all two. Like, his contract is up at the end of the month, but it is, but after, afterward. Like, there's something written in there that says, like, it's a little Runway sunset clothes.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And look at you dressed like the sunset.

[Ish]

You believe him?

[Flip]

Ain't my business, bro.

[Ish]

I know it ain't your business because you know what you did. But I did tap dance, right? Sign that quick, didn't you? Huh? Look clean, huh?

[Cook]

Contract talk baseball.

[Ish]

Don't suck them to the fans, cuz. They don't like that. Don't suck.

[Cook]

I don't like it.

[Ish]

We talk. Tired of you doing that. I don't know. Hey, he cleaned you up. Cleaned you up, huh?

[Cook]

You know who you talking to?

[Joe Budden]

Your Kai called me, yo.

[Ish]

Talking to Ish. Yeah, Shut up when I talk.

[Flip]

I remember how you used to look when you first came.

[Joe Budden]

It was rough. It was rough.

[Flip]

So chill out.

[Ish]

It's a fact. You was too fly.

[Flip]

If anybody got cleaned up, my. Some Lysol been spread around. Chill out.

[Mark]

You ain't told no lie how you

[Joe Budden]

dress here versus how you dressed at

[Mark]

that Mav Hoffa Bar barbershop boy.

[Joe Budden]

We cleaned him up.

[Mark]

You ain't cleaning up here. Don't talk about the Joe Button cleanup program that he was wearing in that barbershop versus look at this boy wearing capris.

[Cook]

My son.

[Mark]

Look at my son. Look at my son. This is flying. Shout him out.

[Ish]

Yes. Mitch.

[Mark]

You wouldn't shout nobody out on Mav Show. It was up there dormant.

[Joe Budden]

Now you can come up here, do

[Mark]

a little ad, shout him out again. Rich. RBH. Go to models. Yeah, Dr. J's boy.

[Ish]

Of course I come here and do that when I double with a profit over here. Watch your mouth when I First came here. I know how to get access to the. Who you talking to?

[Joe Budden]

I'm playing with Flip.

[Ish]

No, no, don't try to hide me now.

[Joe Budden]

Oh,

[Mark]

all right.

[Joe Budden]

What else is important? What else is unimportant? There's some rumors going around about three team Jaylen Brown trade that lands Jaylen Brown to the Clippers. This one that I'm seeing.

[Flip]

Oh, now it's the Clippers.

[Joe Budden]

Previous ones. I saw it with the Spurs. No, anything I saw before this said Atlanta. The spurs with Jaylen Brown. Who the spurs gonna give up?

[Flip]

Dearon Fox and picks were going to.

[Mark]

Boy by hanging up.

[Flip]

Deon Fox and pics are going to Milwaukee, and Giannis was going Boston to Boston.

[Cook]

Boston ain't dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, yo, listen, yo, here we go. Know something else that happens that I never knew after your team wins a championship, you don't give a. I don't care about.

[Mark]

Don't give a.

[Cook]

About the name.

[Mark]

Hey, whatever y' all doing, the offseason trades, the draft coming up, I don't give a. As a championship team. None of y' all scare me.

[Ish]

The top feels so much better than. The top. Feels so much better than the bottom.

[Joe Budden]

He ran it back.

[Cook]

He ran it back.

[Joe Budden]

It does feel good. Don't. None of them scare me. None of them scare me. 50 with his performative nick fan shit. JLO was the worst. Anybody see JLo?

[Ebro]

I did.

[Joe Budden]

I seen it. You know, H seen JLo JLo got us. Yo, come on, come on. Say something about it, please. Cause you the only one who seen it. And if I say it, they gonna think I can't say nothing. Cause you tried to back me. Do.

[Ish]

Let me see. Let me see. Let me see what she did.

[Ebro]

Y.

[Joe Budden]

Hold up. Let the hate simmer in him. I put that hate right there just so it could do that.

[Ish]

Okay. What I did.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Flip]

I don't think it was necessarily performative.

[Joe Budden]

Well, she did tell us she was watching the game. Somebody was filming. Sitting from behind you with the.

[Flip]

With the fireplace and the big screen tv.

[Joe Budden]

Real nice fireplace.

[Flip]

Real nice. And the tv.

[Ebro]

You expect her to have a bad fireplace.

[Flip]

Yeah, you're right.

[Ebro]

One of the rings was.

[Ish]

Did it look corny? Ish. Tell me. Me is like. But come on, talk.

[Flip]

No, the thing is, for all of them, everybody, you just so happen to have had the camera by you in the right angle at the right time and all of that. Like, she's like, yo, I'm calling home.

[Ish]

I'm about to.

[Joe Budden]

You know, it just looked real performative, especially from someone that we've never seen.

[Ish]

It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

A Nick fan, but we don't care. Everybody's happy.

[Mark]

Everybody's happy.

[Cook]

Everybody's happy.

[Joe Budden]

That's how Monica McNut got in trouble. Talking about, talking about Taylor Swift on the broadcast, not knowing the mics was on because it was like, oh, when did she become a Nick fan? And Taylor pull up all the old pictures of her being a Nick fan. It's like people are Nick fans out there. You can't shoot on and out.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And outside I'm. Yeah, you're Cindy Sweeney.

[Mark]

And outside of that, Nick van.

[Joe Budden]

And not Nick van. Right. It's just joy.

[Flip]

It's joy.

[Joe Budden]

Don't step on nobody's happiness. Niggas is happy. Niggas are celebrating, are joyful out there. They smiling at each other. They buying each other other coffee and beers like it's cool out there.

[Cook]

It's cool.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good vibe.

[Cook]

It's bandwagon. Like let them enjoy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, let him do it. Let him do it. Let them have fun.

[Mark]

So whatever y' all are doing in

[Joe Budden]

the offseason, whoever Jaylen Brown gives up, I don't give a. We won and we running it back. We got what's up boy, what's up? And we running it back. And we running it back. Yeah. Yeah. Our core is resigned. OG running the backs a lot. Our core is resigned. I'm not saying our core was signed for. It was a five year window. One one. I think it's two years left on that. Even though they going to debate.

[Cook]

All I'm saying is it's hard to run.

[Joe Budden]

G's coming up now.

[Cook]

They've been eight. Haven't they been show stop once? I said there's a back to back NBA champions. Is that Golden State?

[Joe Budden]

No, it's been a. It's the parody in the league has. Has been the last eight years been eight different champions. That's what I said the last one,

[Cook]

the last back to back was Golden State. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. So that's why it's not against the Knicks in particular. It's hard to win two years in a row in the league.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say we was going to win. Oh you know. I said we're running it back.

[Mark]

We had a champs.

[Cook]

Oh yeah.

[Mark]

We the champs.

[Cook]

Of course you're gonna run.

[Mark]

We're running. Yeah man. We ain't running. We ain't scared any hoops. The all right. What else is important?

[Joe Budden]

Unimportant. Go ahead.

[Mark]

Oh, Ty Want to talk about Tyrone now?

[Ebro]

We can do Ty.

[Joe Budden]

Come on. Do Tyrant. I'm on cloud nine. I don't give a. With Tyrone. Somebody break it down.

[Ebro]

She's doing Netflix and the production companies for that produced the documentary about America's Next Top Model defamation, saying that she. They took four hours of footage and broke it down into 15 minutes and made it look like she was unaware of the girl being sexually assaulted, for instance, and all the other shady shit that they did in the doc. She said it was all editing tricks, essentially.

[Joe Budden]

I need somebody's really honest opinion on this one.

[Flip]

No, they came out with regards to the one about the essay. Yeah, that definitely was a spin on. On the shit. Cause what they showed on the documentary, it was way more to it. And they addressed it on the real episodes and shit. And they was like, yo, it wasn't necessarily essay. It was consensual. And the lady got drunk and all that other shit and talked about it after the fact. So it wasn't really essay. It was consensual. So I think if you tried to spin it like that to make me look away and to make it seem like I was condoning that type of behavior. I'm tight.

[Ish]

I agree.

[Flip]

1000. But that should happen under your watch, though, no?

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Ebro]

But if there was no actual.

[Flip]

There's no essay. What happened under my watch? Two grown people had consensual sex.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but even in this particular example that you're talking about, that wouldn't be on Netflix. That young lady expressed something different one day and something different another day. Like she was in that place.

[Flip]

But if I gave you all of the footage and you saw. And you saw somebody change or recant or however it played out. I don't have all the particulars. And you chose to put only this particular information on the screen to make me and my.

[Joe Budden]

In your example, you would be correct. I don't know that to have happened. I'm saying we talked about that. What we do know is that on Netflix, that white lady went up there and made it sound like that dude sexually abused her. And in other instances. I'm not saying with Netflix, in other interviews, we see her talking about it differently.

[Flip]

If she said, we talked about it

[Joe Budden]

up here, I know. But that's not because of unseen Netflix footage, is what I'm saying to you. So we don't know that she told all of it to Netflix and they chopped it up. Tyra is saying that as it pertains to her, but we don't know that about the Essay Girls on Saint.

[Ebro]

But I think it's tricky. Cause, I mean, first of all, if you sit down to do a documentary with someone and they take your shit and make you look like the fucking worst person in the world, that is kind of fucked up. That being said, she was also a monster on that show. And that has been public fodder for ever since the show went off the air.

[Flip]

Also, at this level of business, don't you think they had her sign something before she sat down?

[Ebro]

I would imagine, yeah.

[Flip]

I don't even get like, whatever you

[Joe Budden]

give us, it ain't guaranteed to look the way you want it to look. Defamation is the hardest case to prove.

[Mark]

And a lot of times, honestly, when

[Joe Budden]

I read these headlines, they say somebody is suing somebody, somebody for defamation. I just think that that's their public outcry to say, hey, I had a problem with something that was done and I'm putting my foot down about it.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What happens with it? Going further?

[Mark]

Word.

[Ebro]

We never really hear about what happens

[Flip]

in court with somebody as big as this. I think her. Her cachet will have people follow up on the story.

[Joe Budden]

These big companies will tell you when your cashier goes, no, no, I'm talking about.

[Flip]

I'm talking about in the media. Like, it'll.

[Mark]

It'll.

[Cook]

It'll.

[Joe Budden]

We'll.

[Flip]

We'll hear some follow up.

[Ish]

Maybe.

[Ebro]

Depends on.

[Flip]

I. I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

Whose side are y' all on in the matter? If.

[Flip]

If they. If she's telling the truth and they took four hours worth of footage and y' all only use the 15 minutes to paint me away. Intent matters, bro. So I think intent matters. And if you intentionally tried to. To. To. To be clickbaity and make me look a certain way, for sure. Definitely.

[Ebro]

They're a doc company.

[Flip]

That's what they definitely are.

[Ebro]

It's kind of what they want to do.

[Flip]

I'm definitely.

[Joe Budden]

That's how I feel about it.

[Ebro]

You're not making a dock to make it nice like.

[Joe Budden]

Or the truth. Unless the truth is juicy. What be happening is you be knowing somebody about to do a hit piece on you. They reach out for comment, you want to come give you a side to clean it up so it don't look like a hit piece.

[Ebro]

They still.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe they don't use all that more hittable. Yeah, we don't care about none of that. Good. You talking about. We got.

[Flip]

We.

[Joe Budden]

We gonna sit you here for four hours for the two questions that we

[Ebro]

really want, and we're going to turn off the AC so you make A weird face.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And we going to get you some Boons Farm and some Cisco. Get you drunk. Yeah, we going. It's going to be a mess. Yeah, whatever. Good luck, action video.

[Ebro]

Yeah, good luck. Best of luck. I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Joe Budden]

Or good. Good luck, Netflix. I hope y' all beat this.

[Ish]

Hey, Mark.

[Joe Budden]

I hope y' all beat this, Netflix. Oh, I finally saw Obsession with Ty.

[Ebro]

I went session. Yeah.

[Flip]

All right, now, what do you think?

[Ebro]

That was horrible, but also kind of good. It was kind of good, but that was bad. Bad movie.

[Cook]

Terrible.

[Ebro]

That was the worst acting and dialogue I've ever seen in a movie. It felt like someone that had never made a movie ever in their entire life threw some together with the homies on the weekend. They were freestyling ad living every line. The girl just made funny, crazy faces.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's it.

[Ebro]

And it was a fairly interesting storyline, even though it was just Big. But the horror story version. That shit was epic.

[Joe Budden]

I'm going to wait for the dvd.

[Flip]

That's funny.

[Ebro]

It's what?

[Flip]

It was Big, but the horror story version, that's funny. That movie was big.

[Ish]

Tom Hanks.

[Ebro]

Yes.

[Cook]

Got it.

[Ebro]

It was the horror version of that.

[Cook]

It's a great movie.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That's a great movie.

[Ebro]

Which one? Obsession or Big?

[Cook]

Big.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay. Big Might have been the first movie I saw in the movie theater.

[Ish]

Really?

[Flip]

Wow.

[Cook]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

What year was big?

[Ebro]

I don't know. 80.

[Cook]

Too late to be your first. First movie?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, if it's too late to be my first movie. And it wasn't.

[Flip]

No.

[Cook]

No.

[Ebro]

Because big was probably 80s.

[Flip]

88.

[Mark]

87.

[Cook]

87.

[Joe Budden]

And that's definitely my first movie. I know. Seven.

[Cook]

Mark, I thought you. I thought you would have saw, like, ET Or Muppets Take Manhattan or any of those. Like Young E.T.

[Joe Budden]

when I was 29.

[Mark]

You'd be shocked if I told you the movies that I saw after the fact. What, the other one with the little.

[Joe Budden]

The.

[Mark]

The horror plants? Oh, yeah, that's another one. No, I didn't. Well, yes.

[Cook]

No, I'm. I'm just surprised.

[Joe Budden]

What year did no bar come out? Hulk Hogan? It ain't that far from what we're talking about.

[Ebro]

Yeah, that's what that.

[Joe Budden]

So y' all could save your stupid face. I think it was 88.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Cook]

I just would have thought you, dog.

[Joe Budden]

No, Boys in The hood was 90. 91. Like, these are my. These are my first. The first movie. What's the first movie you ever went to?

[Flip]

That might be my first one.

[Ish]

1989.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying, like this is. This started my movie run

[Cook]

stupid. I was just surprised. I thought a lot of kids go to like, you know when you four and five, you see like the animation movies.

[Joe Budden]

That was never my bad.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't have a dad.

[Ish]

Understand for what.

[Ebro]

Anyway, Obsession was trash. And I'm mad that all the reviews said it was fire. It's not.

[Joe Budden]

Was terrible.

[Ebro]

She was. Was ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'm so glad you agreed. The marketing machine does say when I. When I went to go try to get tickets, the theaters were sold out for Obsession.

[Cook]

Yes, for a week.

[Flip]

I just looked at the first movie I seen in the movie theater. I was five.

[Ish]

What was it?

[Flip]

Busting loose with Richard Pryor.

[Ebro]

How do you have that? Like in your phone somewhere.

[Flip]

I just looked up. I knew the first movie I saw.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you looked up when it came out.

[Cook]

Okay, for me it was Muppin Tick Manhattan.

[Ebro]

I don't know what mine was.

[Joe Budden]

It might have been Batman though. That's symbolic that. That's the first movie for you. Your whole life you've been busting. Your whole life you've been loose boy loose.

[Ish]

Booty ass.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, you taking some.

[Mark]

I love it. What was your first movie?

[Flip]

I think it was no H Bar.

[Joe Budden]

Then I look back, I can't remember.

[Flip]

Loser. Seeing that in the movie.

[Joe Budden]

Steve Jobs.

[Ish]

Both of y' all losers. Hear what he said?

[Flip]

See that shit?

[Cook]

The movies.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Hulk Hogan. I told y' all the story. I went to see Noah's Boy at Green Acres and some dude behind us told my. My.

[Ebro]

My.

[Joe Budden]

My brother's dad and they stepped outside for a fight. Yeah, that was no more. I don't know. But dude's dad came back and he was all right. And I don't know if that dude ever came back. I was scared for him.

[Flip]

You ain't go out there?

[Ish]

No, he kid.

[Ebro]

He's a kid. Who's he about to do?

[Flip]

It's in some of us. You.

[Ish]

I mean, some of us.

[Joe Budden]

I was a kid, 8 years old.

[Ish]

You going outside this 8 years old? Yeah.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Ish]

You one of them bad kids.

[Flip]

I say I turn it into something. I'm going outside to be nosy at the bare minimum.

[Ish]

Oh, what? See what?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm. That's not even what I think.

[Ish]

N. It's my man going to let that play with him, but stay in. Stay in the theater.

[Joe Budden]

What age was going outside to do when he was 4 foot 3, cuz that's when he was short Stepdad.

[Ish]

That's what he was going to say. Cuz it was. It was.

[Flip]

You going to make sure don't nothing

[Joe Budden]

happened to how how you was going to do that.

[Flip]

At the bare minimum you can't make

[Joe Budden]

sure nothing don't break out. Tell them you got it on what

[Mark]

you could do now.

[Joe Budden]

Something break out, you can stop it.

[Ebro]

It's just Batman, man.

[Ish]

You really was in the movies as a kid.

[Mark]

You have a lot ain't Batman New York?

[Ebro]

Yeah, well, Gotham.

[Cook]

I thought he's from Gotham.

[Joe Budden]

That's New York.

[Ebro]

That's New York.

[Joe Budden]

Ain't Spider man from New York? Yeah, Queens. He's from Queens.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You know what other superheroes Iron Man.

[Ebro]

I don't know where Iron man is from.

[Flip]

Captain America from Brooklyn.

[Joe Budden]

I with him but I can't cuz he's maga.

[Ish]

He is.

[Joe Budden]

It's hard to with anybody when it starts and stripes on him. Look at this. Come on man.

[Flip]

You ain't watch the boys.

[Ish]

Don't put that on that man.

[Mark]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

He's man, he's not. Look at the outfit, the shield, the story.

[Ish]

He was from America back when who

[Mark]

would watch you for it. But no, no.

[Ish]

He fought for all the FWA Federal White.

[Mark]

You are fwa. Stop touching me.

[Joe Budden]

Stop doing something. When I touch you.

[Ish]

There sit there.

[Joe Budden]

When I touch you is you talk about me holding Hogan. The Hulk Hogan was maga. We didn't know he was maga. But they were programming us with the colors the I am real American. They were programming kids who didn't know nothing about politics. But it was on Some American patriots

[Ish]

in America fought for America when Lincoln was president back in. That's the story. Not MAGA and Donald Trump and all that.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, Lincoln was made. Hold on, wait.

[Mark]

What?

[Joe Budden]

No, I can't let that go.

[Flip]

Wait, what?

[Ish]

I thought they give. So who was our friend? No, no, no, no. Don't get involved.

[Cook]

I'm about to support you.

[Ish]

No, no, that. I don't want your support. Okay. Who was our friend, sir? What? What do you want to say? What Bill Clinton. Who was our friend?

[Cook]

I'm asking you my friend.

[Ish]

You guys found it funny. So who was the friend?

[Cook]

We killing this y'?

[Mark]

All?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There was no friend, Mar.

[Flip]

He just wasn't around when Lincoln.

[Joe Budden]

No, he wasn't there when Lincoln was there. B.

[Ish]

Who is Eisenhower?

[Joe Budden]

This is a good segue to yalls. To yalls. Maga. MAGA fight.

[Mark]

Cover the.

[Joe Budden]

I don't have nothing to say about it.

[Cook]

Let's go.

[Joe Budden]

Mark with the MAGA fight.

[Ebro]

I didn't watch a single second. It never will.

[Joe Budden]

That Looked like a big mistake.

[Ebro]

It did. That look nasty?

[Joe Budden]

That looked like a mess.

[Flip]

It's a joke.

[Ish]

Dana White said he'll never do.

[Joe Budden]

Dana White was mad.

[Ish]

Yeah. He said never again.

[Flip]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

But he didn't tell us why. All he said was never again. Like, why he said the sphere and there will.

[Flip]

He'll never do one at either one of them again.

[Ebro]

I have to imagine it was a massive headache. The security and all that over there. That could.

[Joe Budden]

He should have known that before. He paid four times the price of what he normally pays for a venue. I heard they charged him out the wazoo to do that.

[Ebro]

He's a scammer. So.

[Flip]

So I'm sure you got his money back.

[Ebro]

True.

[Cook]

For those who don't know the. The.

[Joe Budden]

It's not about that. If you pay $4 million for a venue versus 60 million for a venue. I'm not talking about his return. I'm just talking about the cost of it and the look of it. It really looked bad. When I went out after the Knicks won, they had the Knicks on all the TVs and on one of them shits they were showing. Look like, ew. Ew.

[Cook]

The UFC is. Yeah, it was. For those who don't know, UFC had a match Sunday night on the White House law. Basically, Grifton, in honor of the 250th anniversary of America. I can't think of. In some ways, it's quintessentially American. I mean, it's exactly what America is. But it was still disgusting and classless. I mean, forget about what I think about Dana White. Forget about what I think about mma, the culture I'm talking about. Forget about what I think about Trump or any of that. Just the appearance of it. If I'm a sitting president to invite to have a UFC match on the lawn is. It's just tacky. It's just fucking tacky. Everything else aside, then when you add all the other elements, you know, because that UFC culture, unfortunately, isn't just about sport. There's a lot of other stuff that comes with it, and we saw that.

[Flip]

Yeah.

[Cook]

When. At the end of one match. What's my man's name?

[Ebro]

I don't think you should say his name. I don't dignify none of this shit.

[Cook]

You know what he said?

[Flip]

Some bullshit.

[Cook]

He said some about Michelle Obama, and it was awful, disgusting. And now I did, like, at least that Dana White did at some point say that that wasn't okay. It wasn't the. The kind of vociferous, you know, Renunciation I would have liked.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please, Mark. But at all of these fucking MAGA right wing things, they've been saying the same thing about the same talking points. It's like, if you allow it there, we know what you want. I'm not exactly.

[Cook]

No, I agree. Better.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all not expecting Dana White to fuck. I was shocked. Shane Gillis said, oh, I don't condone it.

[Cook]

I wasn't expecting anything else from Dana White. I just want to report it accurately. I don't want to say nobody said anything. Donald Trump gave like a half smirk, half head shake. He did take my man's chain off around his neck, but that was it. He kind of still sat there half smirking. I mean, it's everything you would expect from Donald Trump is everything you would expect from a UFC and Dana White event, and it's everything you would accept from an MMA fight. On a White House log, what you think about.

[Flip]

About one of the Trump family members allegedly trying to get the in on the fight?

[Cook]

Oh, that was the other. The other controversy. Y' all heard about this. They got text messages. I don't know if they're true or not, but he was asking, is any of this fixed? Cause if so, I wanna get paid.

[Flip]

That just show how they moving.

[Cook]

Yeah, slimy grifters, these people. Are you talking about grifters?

[Joe Budden]

Grifters?

[Cook]

You think me and Joe are grifters?

[Joe Budden]

You and Ice?

[Mark]

How the fuck I get in this shit, bro?

[Joe Budden]

Not you and Joe, Ice.

[Flip]

Not me, man.

[Joe Budden]

Where the. Dick's one, yo,

[Flip]

look at him now. While you got time. I heard New York is crazy.

[Ish]

New York is crazy.

[Flip]

I heard it was bananas.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah. Freeze that. That. He came, walked on the phone. Hello?

[Joe Budden]

He tried to get away.

[Ish]

I said, you got to celebrate like this. Down. She about to shut that whole down.

[Flip]

It's over.

[Ish]

We won, y'. All. She's a nick. She's a

[Mark]

burn ass.

[Joe Budden]

I'm very excited about moving in with my baby.

[Ish]

Stop trying to make. Stop doing that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. I feel incomplete I feel incomplete without her I'm so bored and alone. Hey, how that old minute Larry Hard song went? Y' all don't know how to go. I'm so alone.

[Ish]

What's the final date?

[Joe Budden]

Alone Flew up like all that. I miss you. I can't believe I bought a record from the two fat.

[Cook]

That was a good record. Yeah, at least I love it.

[Joe Budden]

I bought a few minute large.

[Flip]

Them had a nice little show.

[Joe Budden]

The record business was doing Anything. They took these two big ass niggas had some.

[Flip]

Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

He did that with Freddy.

[Flip]

You around? Get a good 4 minute large songs off.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, with who?

[Flip]

Freddie Jackson. You around, Get a good four Minute large. I'm telling.

[Joe Budden]

I'll smack the out of you if you compare. He not comparing. He's saying you didn't. Now I got to pull up. Minute Large, they had some joints.

[Cook]

So alone. Let's talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's talk about it.

[Mark]

Yeah, I had like three songs.

[Cook]

They had a couple at least.

[Flip]

Why did they have songs and they was, you know. Yo, you're an idiot, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, shout out to Minute Large man. Fat ass. Them n was huge.

[Ish]

When is the final day, gang?

[Cook]

It might not be no more.

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Ish]

When is the final day? When is the final day for what

[Ebro]

were you talking about?

[Ish]

When is everything like.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, and don't tell me he wouldn't let you leave.

[Ish]

He told me the attitude when I asked you about your lady. When is the date that everything is complete? When is she officially moving in?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, that's not for the public anyways, but soon.

[Ish]

How soon?

[Joe Budden]

Next month.

[Ish]

Oh, next month.

[Joe Budden]

Around the corner. Next month is here. June getting out of here like he got somewhere to be. June is moving. We got Juneteenth. Juneteenth coming up. We also have Father's Day. We got a room full of fathers. We got Free birthday.

[Flip]

What he talking about?

[Ebro]

Yeah, free's birthday.

[Flip]

That's right.

[Cook]

Yeah. Who cares about black people getting free? It's your birthday.

[Flip]

It's my birthday.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Cook]

Solid, solid.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care about black people.

[Cook]

That's peace.

[Flip]

We free now.

[Joe Budden]

So celebrate your birthday like you trying to get the slaves free, man.

[Flip]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't gonna lie. What you doing?

[Flip]

I supposed to be going to Vegas, but we have a death in the family, so that's. We're push that to next month to catch the residency. So now it's up in the air. I don't know yet. We gotta shoot down there for the stuff.

[Cook]

You a good dude, man. A lot of brothers would just go out and celebrate their birthday solo.

[Flip]

I can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

That fam can't do that.

[Flip]

I'm not going to do that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not going to do that.

[Ish]

Come on, breeze. What the.

[Mark]

I looked at and I read the

[Ish]

Floyd man with the. To distract me and you laugh. You dumb.

[Mark]

Stop.

[Ish]

It's not funny, yo. Yeah,

[Joe Budden]

yo, I'm only laughing, cuz. Ice is truly a good.

[Ish]

I Said the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, hey.

[Ish]

I love you, Freeze.

[Mark]

Who does?

[Joe Budden]

God.

[Flip]

Her grandfather.

[Ish]

All right. See.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, wait. Not your family.

[Flip]

No, her.

[Guest]

Her.

[Joe Budden]

Miss in peace. Rest in peace.

[Cook]

Rest in peace.

[Joe Budden]

Right, right.

[Flip]

Following right after the grandmother had passed. So.

[Cook]

So you got to be there. Got to a decent person has the gene.

[Joe Budden]

Joe, what you do? I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think of a word. This one is tough.

[Cook]

I'm trying too.

[Mark]

There's really nothing I can say about

[Flip]

this one but me and all that. I'm not even trying.

[Joe Budden]

But what residency you was going to

[Flip]

see was it Jeezy.

[Joe Budden]

Jeezy, your favorite artist.

[Flip]

He's there for the month.

[Ebro]

Some of these services they do stream.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Flip]

Y.

[Joe Budden]

Did you know? Did you know, homeboy?

[Ish]

Stop, stop, stop.

[Ebro]

Yes.

[Cook]

Were y' all close?

[Mark]

Y' all was tight July. Yes.

[Flip]

Stop.

[Mark]

Did y' all play penuckle together? Stop, stop.

[Joe Budden]

I will send some flowers in a New York committed. Yo, I seen a beautiful arrangement of bouquet. Yo, this from Freeze. But I'mma be in Vegas. Well, wait, are you able to catch another? Jesus, Joe, say no. Oh, boy, Mr. Peace. You lucky. You lucky, Mr. P. Hey, if Ice would have checked that them tour.

[Mark]

Ice would have been the missing beast. We would have showed missing piece of missing piece. That's for sure.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ebro]

Hey, he's going to Australia after this.

[Cook]

Yeah, it's gonna be tough.

[Flip]

Hey, mate,

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna catch the other one. I make sure my girl family. Yo, see, this nigga can't help himself. God be making sure you can't do it. But bro, stop looking over here, dog.

[Ish]

Stop.

[Joe Budden]

Joe, this is your girl. Ever had family members die? Yeah. What you went?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Were you busy that week?

[Flip]

It didn't matter.

[Joe Budden]

You didn't answer me.

[Ebro]

That was a good answer.

[Flip]

It didn't matter. It don't matter.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, but were you. It matters to me. Probably I don't.

[Flip]

I'm always busy. But none of that matters.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm talking shit, y'.

[Ish]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I'm being.

[Flip]

We know.

[Joe Budden]

We all know that I'm joking.

[Flip]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

Course y' all know that I'm joking.

[Ebro]

Of course.

[Joe Budden]

If you in the same country and your girl family member died, you gotta go any who

[Flip]

I with, Julian.

[Joe Budden]

I'm done.

[Mark]

I'm done already.

[Joe Budden]

I think been done. Hey, Jeezy got more to it that we cool.

[Ish]

Anyway.

[Ebro]

Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

But if he didn't.

[Ish]

What's that topic on the board? Stay at home women I'm sending to Joe right now. He sent it to Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Don't say it to me. I ain't write it.

[Cook]

No, I mean, but you gotta play the clip.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh, the clip.

[Cook]

Yeah. Just sent you the clip.

[Ish]

Let's go, big Mark.

[Joe Budden]

All right, let's see. All right, I got a text from Mark.

[Cook]

So LeBron James was being interviewed the other day, and he offered his thoughts on stay at home women. Joe, hit play, Hit play.

[Ish]

Yo, please, Joey, play. You can't get that weak.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man, my Gore is all bullshit. I think, personally, me today, if I was not in a relationship today, I could not have a stay at home woman. Just not like for me, who I am at 40 and what I got going on, just coming home and just seeing somebody just sitting on the couch every day, just sitting there, just chilling. I mean, I agree. I wouldn't float for you those passes.

[Cook]

Is that real?

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so my first reaction is LeBron doesn't know what a stay at home mom is or housewife, because I feel him in terms of being with a partner and just seeing him home doing nothing, laying in bed, not doing. But that's not what a stage at home mom is at. At all.

[Cook]

But he didn't say mom. He said. Yeah, he said stay at home woman. Meaning literally, what he just described might

[Flip]

not be no kids involved at all.

[Joe Budden]

If it's a stay at home woman, what do you think she's staying home doing? Depends, that's what.

[Flip]

Well, he said on the couch all

[Joe Budden]

day, what do you think she should be doing? When I'm walking down, you ain't gonna be just sitting around. Hey, old school rule. When you hear that key in the door, door, you better get up and vacuum.

[Mark]

Smell something. You better put some glaze car refreshment down. Hey, you could have been chilling all day. But when that door vacuum something got

[Joe Budden]

to get vacuum something, got to get cleaned up, get home. Yo, know how it used to be when your mother come home. Yo, this road.

[Ish]

Y.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, that carpet going to be clean after carpets.

[Cook]

You would.

[Ish]

You wouldn't mind a stay at home woman or stay at home mom rage?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, LeBron let me not speak for him.

[Flip]

LeBron James sounds crazy.

[Ish]

I'm talking about you. Would you mind? But LeBron said it's about you.

[Flip]

If I had $100 million, my girl not gonna work.

[Ebro]

He has a lot more than $100 million.

[Mark]

I'm just.

[Ish]

Look, look, I'm on the low end.

[Flip]

If I had a certain amount of money, it is unreasonable that your wife works.

[Joe Budden]

She'd be home cleaning.

[Ish]

No.

[Flip]

Cause we would have 17 nannies in my house, she wouldn't cook or clean

[Ish]

or none of that. She also had have time to laddy gag.

[Joe Budden]

If so what if she wants to

[Ish]

have time to be with the pool,

[Flip]

if she wants to work, that's something different. But even in that. In that yo, it takes away from. He don't believe in that options that. That because he's a different level of rich. Like he's wealthy. Wealthy. So when you have a job you got you.

[Ish]

You.

[Flip]

You subject it to being on somebody else's time.

[Joe Budden]

No, I love Ish. He really seriously will explain it to you. I'm just trying to crack on these niggas.

[Ish]

Cause the only shit Mark wanted to

[Flip]

have a real no conversation.

[Mark]

No, he didn't. You believe that from Mark.

[Ish]

Don't stand by that.

[Joe Budden]

Mark brought this up to joke and be a dick.

[Cook]

No, no. I brought up so you guys could joke if he dick

[Ebro]

and then he

[Flip]

could come through like the shining night.

[Cook]

That's.

[Joe Budden]

Or not shining without lotion. That's ash.

[Cook]

Do I believe in it? First of all, yes. Here's. Here's the part.

[Ish]

No, we know it's possible. We know that there are women.

[Cook]

My answer.

[Mark]

With his kid.

[Ish]

What's your answer?

[Cook]

Okay, that's what I'm trying to get his kid.

[Mark]

You better.

[Ish]

You trying to freestyle and go ahead. Give the truth.

[Cook]

As opposed to what?

[Ish]

Go ahead.

[Cook]

You mean to pre Write something?

[Ish]

Go ahead.

[Cook]

I'm trying.

[Ish]

You just keep interrupting me, I guess. Go ahead, think, think. Get your mind right. Go ahead. Go, go.

[Cook]

You ready? You good?

[Joe Budden]

We're killing this.

[Cook]

We are nailing this.

[Joe Budden]

It's good.

[Cook]

Watch.

[Ish]

That's some Y doing. We killing this. That's corny.

[Joe Budden]

If I was gay. What you going to do about it with that?

[Ish]

Yo, we killing this. Like trying to dog whistles. Shut up. It's corny. All right. Yeah, we're killing it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm being corny.

[Ish]

Then you can't fuck with me, boy.

[Cook]

All right, so my response is, first, I understand what LeBron is saying in terms of wanting to be with somebody with ambition. Cause that's what I hear. I hear, like, ambition, like, I don't want somebody that ain't got shit going on. I'm just telling you what I hear. And if I'm working and I'm coming home and somebody's just not doing shit, that's up. I think, though, to Joe's point, there's a way that we sometimes ignore domestic labor as labor. What people do at home, raising kids, doing all these things is work. So it's not doing nothing. You know what I'm saying? If I were worth LeBron's money, which I wouldn't be. But if I were worth LeBron's money, I wouldn't demand that my spouse work. I would just demand that they have something going on in their life. I wouldn't. And not just for me, but I just wouldn't want to be with the. Of kind. Kind of person that doesn't want to do. You know what I mean? I don't care about whether they have a job or not. I just want them to be about. They could be a home.

[Flip]

You could be a volunteer.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Flip]

At the Peace Corps habitat. Have a hobby or just a local school.

[Cook]

I just want somebody to be. To have a passion for something that's just kind of person I'd want to be with. I couldn't imagine being with somebody. And I think I. I think that's what he was trying to say. It didn't come out great. I hope that's what he was trying to say. I'll say that. But I don't want to conflate somebody who ain't doing with their life with somebody who's at home, like taking care of the kids and doing other shit. Now, if you were billionaire, you're probably not doing that shit hands on, which is different. But I'm just. I'm speaking in general terms, not about. I'm not talking about billionaires right now. I'm talking about in general, like. Cause I've heard people say shit. Like it's the whole, you weren't with me shooting in the gym shit. It's like, well, I wasn't in the gym, but I was home raising these kids while you was in the gym. Like that shit counts too. So for me, it just depends on the situation. That's my perspective.

[Flip]

Yeah. That's why I took it and said, if I'm LeBron. Cause that's the person that we talked about. Like, no, you don't have to work. I'm not gonna demand that you don't work because then I'm taking my rights away from you. But you do not have to work if you don't wanna work. And again. But I would hope that you would wanna occupy your time in some productive or positive way.

[Cook]

That's what I'm saying.

[Flip]

What if she don't though? What if she don't?

[Cook]

I wouldn't be with you.

[Flip]

I mean, um, you.

[Joe Budden]

Up, up.

[Flip]

It's a hard one.

[Joe Budden]

I like to just enjoy the life.

[Flip]

It's a hard One.

[Cook]

I don't know. It's you.

[Flip]

I think idol time is the devil's workshop.

[Ish]

Exactly.

[Cook]

Agree.

[Joe Budden]

Agree.

[Cook]

I think you want a partner who's interesting and who and is ambitious and cares about and passionate about shit. And passion could be helping you do the work you do.

[Flip]

True.

[Joe Budden]

That's true.

[Cook]

I don't care what it is. But the example LeBron gave is you just sitting on the couch, like, watching tv. That's what I'm saying. That's the shit I couldn't.

[Ish]

You probably didn't explain it right like you said.

[Cook]

Or maybe that's how he feels. I mean, word for it.

[Ish]

I don't know.

[Cook]

I'm with you. I think he didn't explain it as clearly as I would have liked.

[Flip]

But again, that's. That's just up to us. Some men don't mind it.

[Cook]

Yeah. And he's saying where he is now in his life is different. And I think part of that is the perspective of living this life, doing so many things, having so many things going on. I don't think anybody will want. I don't think anybody would want to come home to somebody who's just not about shit to me.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Flip]

But for me. So now just for me, I like to travel. So if I was rich, rich, I would travel a lot. Way more than I travel now. Now I'll be gone. So when you have a job and you are on a clock for somebody else.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

That those options are taken away from you.

[Cook]

Yeah.

[Flip]

So that would impede my quality of life.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Flip]

So I wouldn't want necessarily my girl to have to work for somebody else. She can volunteer. She could work for herself. She could work for us and then do. But, yeah, just being bogged down to a job. Went to.

[Cook]

Yeah. Now, if I married somebody or was with somebody, forget marriage. If I was just with somebody who happened to have a job as demanding as me that could present its own challenges 1000%, I would be with that. Let me be clear. I would like that. You know what I mean? I partnered with somebody who.

[Flip]

If you was worth what LeBron is worth, you think you'd be open to that.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Cook]

I mean, look at Jay Z and Beyonce. I think it can work.

[Mark]

Right.

[Cook]

You have to make some decisions about how you cope. You may not be the center all the time. Like, there's times where Jay Z's on tour with Beyonce. You know what I'm saying? So I think you can make that work. I actually like a partner who's.

[Flip]

But that's because he is not on tour. You get what I'm saying? That's what I said.

[Cook]

You gotta make some choices.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Flip]

His public life is kind of calmed down a lot. You know what I mean? To the point where he has time to be like, yo, he was literally traveling with her at all the stops down there. So I think that's fire. And it has small kids. So I think that's fire too. That we have the financial capability to take our kids, our family, our everything on the road with us. I think that's dope. But if from a.

[Ebro]

From just.

[Flip]

If you was corporate and you were a CEO and your wife was the CEO or CFO or cto, like, it would be. It would be hard. It's hard.

[Cook]

But some of it might be saying, does my career always have to be first? No, for both people. I'm saying.

[Flip]

That's what I said. Your wife. I ain't take your wife out to see.

[Cook]

I don't mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mean. You what I'm saying. Like, that's one of the decisions you have to make. Because sometimes we think about this, we think about our own careers and our own ambitions. Sometimes you got to say, hey, maybe I don't look for the next promotion.

[Flip]

And I would be willing to do that.

[Cook]

I would.

[Joe Budden]

Really.

[Flip]

Honestly, if my wife was rich, rich,

[Ebro]

you'd be a stay at home.

[Cook]

You'd be comfortable not working.

[Flip]

I could definitely. I would work though. But I wouldn't be. I didn't have to have a job that is so demanding of my time. I could be a realtor part time. I could do a whole bunch of things.

[Ish]

If you was to at home, dad. You will be loose goose, boy.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Ish]

It's not made for you, boy. A like is too much. Too much idol time, too much idle time.

[Ebro]

It's the devil's workshop.

[Ish]

And the maid will get it, the chef will get it be. Come on. Ish.

[Flip]

Never. I'm dead ass. I could stay at home if my. If my wife was like up, up thousand percent.

[Ish]

If money doesn't change that though. I know it sounds good.

[Flip]

No, I'm just saying my priorities would change if my wife. Let's say I'm married.

[Ish]

Idle time. Time will hit you.

[Flip]

You not necessarily having. I would still be busy, but I would just be doing other shit that was devoted to my family. Yo, when you get in a real relationship, it don't necessarily be about you no more. It be about y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Flip]

That's a fact.

[Ish]

True.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Flip]

So you Gotta sacrifice your family. Yeah, if you gotta sacrifice for your family, it ain't necessarily a sacrifice if it's making your family better.

[Cook]

Of course, if your lady was worth 50 million.

[Flip]

Mm.

[Cook]

Do you still podcast?

[Flip]

Eat me, baby.

[Mark]

You crazy.

[Ish]

What you gonna say more?

[Cook]

Would you still podcast?

[Ish]

If my wife.

[Flip]

See, that's something I could do, right? Yeah, I could definitely podcast. If my girl's worth $50 million, I could come here two days a week and podcast.

[Ebro]

You think she's gonna let you

[Cook]

flip? Yeah, y' all niggas would be going if your wife was.

[Ish]

If my wife was worth 50 million, nigga, that's. I'm her manager. Hey, what we doing?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that money goes gone quick, quick.

[Flip]

1543.

[Ish]

I'm a super manager.

[Joe Budden]

No more Nyla Blackman.

[Ish]

That.

[Cook]

Stop all that.

[Mark]

I ain't even heard from Nyla in a while.

[Joe Budden]

How Nyla doing? White people clamp on that.

[Ish]

No, stop.

[Cook]

Wasn't she touring in Trinidad recently?

[Flip]

Yo, what role Milie would having at say it Again. Where would Milfy be in that? She be like, the vp.

[Ish]

Will Milfy be what if you was the manager?

[Flip]

What would she do?

[Ish]

She wouldn't be. Be a part of that.

[Flip]

Oh, damn.

[Cook]

Well, she would be a part of that.

[Ish]

She be a part of your team. She part of that.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to all the stay at home wives out there. Stay at home.

[Cook]

And stay at home dads.

[Joe Budden]

The stay at home dads.

[Flip]

Whatever.

[Joe Budden]

It is Father's Day coming. I pissed my dad smooth off last night.

[Flip]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

Smooth off. We talking, you know, Knicks one. So you talk to your dad a little longer than you normally talk to. Talk to your dad a little longer. When the Knicks. Speaking of my dad and Nick's one, he like, yeah, man, what's up? You getting Lex on Sunday? No. Why would the. Would I want to get my kid on Sunday? Yeah. Hey, my weekend.

[Mark]

I'm chilling. Hell no.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't getting that minutes. He said no call sn up and like, we're seeing if you. No, no, no, Pop. If I ask her for my kids, she'll give me. She'll give me my. Any reason. If she has, I pass my kids, you give me my kid. But why would I want. He said, it's Father's Day, man. It's like, for real Sunday. He said, come on, man. Last few years, we've been going to the restaurant. Me.

[Flip]

Yeah, y got a tradition going, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Tradition.

[Cook]

But men.

[Joe Budden]

Last few years, look, Trey saying, yeah, yeah. No, you going to karate. I wish you would.

[Mark]

I wish you would say Something out of the. Are you crazy? You going to Muay Thai or Common Sense school?

[Joe Budden]

You ain't going to eat no brunch?

[Mark]

You think. You think you get brunch after some fista cups? You got a fight to eat now.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, on a hot Sunday, being with your kids and your dad, I don't know, but I might do it. You got to.

[Flip]

You got to do it.

[Ish]

He's right.

[Flip]

He's a thousand percent right.

[Joe Budden]

He's right, cuz. The Knicks won.

[Flip]

No, he's right.

[Ish]

It's your father, nigga. It's your father.

[Joe Budden]

You cannot see your dad when the Knicks won on Father's Day. And your dad's a Knick fan, even though he be talking that Nets Aba. I don't know.

[Flip]

Yo, my man used to work for the Nets. He sent me some the other day and was like, yo, dog, I'm so happy I don't work for them no more. Imagine trying to sell Nets tickets right now.

[Joe Budden]

They used to be giving. Imagine trying to sell Nets anything. Hey, Sean Malcolm and the rest of you niggas that was running around for that eight months. Ebro, you was down too, nigga. Cause Barclays gave you a few free tickets. I remember, nigga. I'm like the north,

[Mark]

nigga.

[Joe Budden]

The north remembers. I kept the fouls. You Nets fans was running around talking high key.

[Flip]

How you know the north remember members?

[Joe Budden]

What do you mean? That's from. That's from Game of Thrones. Ish know.

[Mark]

There you go.

[Flip]

Somebody.

[Joe Budden]

Somebody told you you didn't see Game of Thrones?

[Flip]

Of course I seen.

[Joe Budden]

It's only one of the best shows ever made.

[Ebro]

Saw two episodes.

[Joe Budden]

I've seen it. I've seen the Starbucks cup.

[Ebro]

There you go.

[Joe Budden]

Seen the Happy. They had an iPhone charger in one of them. I seen it. Even though I ain't going to talk, cuz. They saying that the. The prequels is hitting one of them. They.

[Ebro]

I didn't like that. 7K.

[Joe Budden]

They telling me that the prequels is. I don't know. I. Y' all back wouldn't know.

[Mark]

Come on, update me about what's going

[Joe Budden]

on on Love Island. Oh, man, the two worst storytellers in the world. Yo, what's happening? Terrible.

[Mark]

Yo, what's going on on Love Island?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, the two that make you not want to see a show, watch a show when they the only two that seen the show, you are not going to watch 101.

[Mark]

Yo, what happened on Love Island?

[Joe Budden]

Park's nice.

[Ebro]

Take it away.

[Flip]

Yours. Cool.

[Mark]

Yo, I'M talking about y', all.

[Joe Budden]

Cuz I like teasing y'.

[Ebro]

All.

[Joe Budden]

I know one of these days I am going to tune in.

[Mark]

Yo, the type of person you are, the mess. Tell a good story.

[Joe Budden]

I'll rush home and see it. I want to see that tonight.

[Mark]

The timeline be lit. They be like, oh, Rachel's a. They be like, I can't believe Alex did that.

[Joe Budden]

I be wanting to watch it.

[Mark]

And then I come in here like, yo, what happened?

[Joe Budden]

Y' all don't tell me nothing Rachel did.

[Flip]

Nah. Cause Rachel you know.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you got a daughter. You can't talk about what Rachel did. No, no. They ain't got to do with girl dads. I mean, they bugging the out on that now, though.

[Flip]

They getting to it, so. And watch the show. That's all I can tell you. They making some money.

[Joe Budden]

Know why I don't like that you and Parks tell a bad story? Cause I can't even go and get a Love island ad and not tell y' all and then have y' all do it and pocket the money. Cuz y' all gonna do that. And then they gonna call me and be like, yo, what the was that? And I'll be like, I didn't tell them.

[Flip]

Or you could let know what's going on.

[Joe Budden]

There's always that side.

[Ebro]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all in? Yeah. You ain't gonna be piecing in who you in. What you get the most money up here. Oh, now we lying.

[Flip]

Now we lying.

[Cook]

All them endorsements, no

[Joe Budden]

air and do you.

[Guest]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

Now we l. I be wanting some of that money, too. Yeah, I wanted some Levi's money.

[Ebro]

Too late.

[Mark]

I wanted to be on the Levi's billboard.

[Ebro]

Too late.

[Flip]

Now we just lying up here.

[Joe Budden]

Now I just have to make sure I point it out every episode. I'm just going to point out every episode. Just take the n. Hey, yo, we lie up here. The end. I have absolutely nothing else to say to you all. Now, to the Knicks one. Honestly, like, the po. The pause could be shorter. The pause could be shorter. Don't tap me. Don't tap me. Tap me in July when that extension kick in. Hey.

[Cook]

Oh, that's why you working good.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mark]

You know how to end the contract.

[Joe Budden]

Try to come in, turn it up.

[Ish]

I'm trying to appease my new job. That's all it is to show that I'm more to turn up once I'm giving the the Runway to turn.

[Mark]

But the beauty about this job is you can do both.

[Joe Budden]

Like, why would you turn down 6500 a free 6500. Never turn down a free 65.

[Ish]

They holl at me at freeze. They try to do some old school like. I'm good, boy.

[Joe Budden]

You swear, Man, I love y'.

[Guest]

All.

[Joe Budden]

This is over, man. Let y' all got something to say.

[Ish]

Shout out to everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all got any letters? Last words.

[Ish]

Shout out to Trinidad too. Shout Trinidad, man. We putting together the community center. Yeah. Shout to St. Paul. Shout out to Dwayne Bravo.

[Joe Budden]

Break me off. I need some of that. I need some of that community center money.

[Cook]

What's the reopen? What's the date for everything being done?

[Ish]

End of the year. By the time I go back to

[Cook]

any specific date or time.

[Ish]

I don't have a specific.

[Flip]

Oh, you going there for Christmas?

[Ish]

I am going there for Christmas. Another giveaway. Shout out to Ian D. My brother. That's good.

[Cook]

You be a new year.

[Joe Budden]

Yo. How much money is Ian Dunlap put in your pocket? I'mma call him in a minute.

[Ish]

A lot.

[Joe Budden]

I'mma call him in a minute.

[Ish]

DL is a good dude. Just know supports my movement.

[Joe Budden]

I'll call you this week.

[Ish]

Why? That makes you a narcissist. You can't narcissist out narcissist me. You can't out manipulate me.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm a narcissist for calling my friend.

[Ish]

Don't call him about my business at all.

[Flip]

He can out narcissist you.

[Ish]

You think so?

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact.

[Ish]

Yeah, I don't think so. Ish. He got the money. He changed. No, he does, but he changed. He's not okay. I see. I see how you look at it. Okay.

[Cook]

I got you. You underestimate him.

[Ish]

Yo, I'll take it back.

[Cook]

Where you get this from?

[Ish]

This is fire.

[Joe Budden]

I never heard this.

[Ish]

So don't call nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I'm not going to. Mike.

[Ish]

Uh oh.

[Joe Budden]

I was on Instagram scrolling all the nick and there was a producer in there just playing some. I hit him. Hell yeah. Hey, N. Send me that word.

[Ish]

Hey, Freeze. Feel good. You feel good?

[Joe Budden]

Ain't the worst.

[Flip]

Not at all.

[Joe Budden]

He cooking. He caught me. Especially for a sample that you've heard flipped a million times. Like to make it sound like shout out to him.

[Ish]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

I should have asked him his name. Let me find out his name. Hold up, man.

[Flip]

Just begging.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't right. Let me see. Where's this at?

[Ish]

I'm about to get some laser treatment too. Is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I forgot I was in here. DMing Jeff Hamilton begging too. God damn. Yo, that that hard, yo.

[Mark]

Yo, that Hard. I'm not mad at you. Let me find the producer's name first. Get out of here. Yeah, you see my privacy?

[Ish]

You got the new.

[Mark]

Hey, yeah, stop.

[Joe Budden]

Cause you gonna think I got a Bud. I did.

[Ish]

Yo, that's the new. I used to be able to see this.

[Mark]

I can't see it.

[Flip]

I can only imagine.

[Ish]

I see a reflection.

[Joe Budden]

I DM a lot of.

[Flip]

Oh, this is the Laker one. Gave y' all our. It's the Laker one.

[Joe Budden]

I had this.

[Ish]

You had what? I don't know.

[Flip]

Drummer, Jeff Hamilton.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. So I hate Jeff Hamilton. About that customer. Nick. Nick jacket that he made. I was like, yo, man, what. What I got to do to get my hands on that Nick jacket? He hit me back immediately and sent me the price.

[Flip]

8,500.

[Joe Budden]

10,000.

[Flip]

Yeah, they went up. That's, that's, that's like for you.

[Ish]

It was 1900.

[Flip]

I jumped. What you ain't buy. Of course you going out, you jump. I know. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, my son, don't be playing easy.

[Mark]

How you want that?

[Flip]

Asap, yo, how quickly can I get it?

[Ish]

That Joe is crazy.

[Flip]

Yo, you, you still remember your size in them shits?

[Ish]

The pellet?

[Joe Budden]

No, I, I, I need to be sized.

[Flip]

Yeah, different, cuz. You know, all hours we used to wear big as. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right, here we go. This nigga's name is Danilo. Danilo is the guy that I got this beat from Shout out to Dan.

[Mark]

Yeah. Hopefully y' all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you.

[Cook]

Yo, he went crazy.

[Mark]

Are a legitimate great champion.

[Flip]

Everybody put in front of them.

[Mark]

They didn't just beat them. They embarrassed them.

[Flip]

They made them quit.

[Mark]

You know what kind of victorious feeling that is? They didn't just squeak by to win a title. They won a title decisively. There's no doubt about who the best team in the NBA was this year. And I don't think that the. The Oklahoma City Thunder healthy would it be beating this Nick team. This Nick team had a special something.

[Flip]

It was special.

[Joe Budden]

They wouldn't have it's unwillingness to give in.

[Mark]

29 points.

[Flip]

Half.

[Mark]

22 points.

[Ish]

Half.

[Mark]

Eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Nothing derailed them.

[Guest]

Nothing.

[Mark]

They are true champions. And I'll go back to what I said at the beginning of the show. They are a part of forever.

[Flip]

I was on by eight with seven minutes to go.

[Mark]

The formula is a point a minute front of that hesitation. The two stars. Brunson off the bounce, gets inside, leans in right hand, and he backs it Home. Sensational move for Brunson. Under five to play.

[Ebro]

Brunson looks.

[Mark]

Bruxen drives. Brunson shoots. Ties the game by eight.

[Guest]

Holy.

[Ebro]

Last night.

[Mark]

That box to Wemby. Wemby tries a three, hooks it up off the mark. And an obi.

[Ebro]

The rebound.

[Mark]

It's over. It's over. Knick fans, this is not a dream. Your long, long wait has ended. Go ahead and cry. After 53 years, the Knicks are finally NBA champions once.

[Flip]

72% of the minutes play and lost in five. If I'm a fan of the San

[Joe Budden]

Antonio Spurs, I am absolutely disgusted. Hey, turn my be back on. They talking about we ain't done. We ain't done talking about the Knicks. Are you crazy?

[Flip]

I wasn't even supposed to be in

[Mark]

the league and I'm.

[Ish]

I got a ring now.

[Mark]

I hope this night last forever. It's a night they will remember forever. One of the great runs in NBA playoff history will be followed by one of the great celebrations in New York City history. The San Antonio spurs had a wonderful season.

[Joe Budden]

Them turn that off.

[Mark]

Hey, I ain't going to hold you that.

[Cook]

Call me.

[Mark]

I never heard this. We gotta bring the Cyphers back, Yo.

[Joe Budden]

Hopefully y' all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you. Keep us in your prayers.

[Mark]

Lord knows we need to be there.

[Joe Budden]

Until the next time we bid you a due farewell.

[Mark]

Adio.

[Joe Budden]

Cerebra dirchi.

[Mark]

Hasta la vista, arvois.

[Joe Budden]

So long.

[Mark]

Goodbye.

[Joe Budden]

Or simply head novels suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments. And moments pass. Hopefully not this one. Nick's is up. Suck dick. But let's make this moment last as if it's all we have. And last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women want to travel, and the closed minded women want you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol. You might need it.

[Mark]

What was your old rap name?

[Joe Budden]

I forgot. Oh, I see. Nightmare. Thinking of something? What was your name? What was Nightmare?

[Mark]

What was Flip rap name again? Headache? Migraine?

[Ish]

No.

[Mark]

What was it you told us before?

[Ish]

No, my street Lionheart.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Oh, I was rapping.

[Joe Budden]

Big lion art. What y' all got going on this week? Anything.

[Cook]

Just working.

[Joe Budden]

Working? Yeah.

[Ish]

Traveling, working, working.

[Flip]

I'll be at the grade Thursday.

[Joe Budden]

And like I said, I'm gonna see what I'm doing for the birthday, yo.

[Mark]

Happy Father's Day to you dads out there. Happy Juneteenth to the black people out there. To the FBAs, to the FWAs, to the patronies if you are not subscribed to Patreon, that would be a good

[Joe Budden]

time to do so, man.

[Mark]

Y' all hold it down. We'll be back. Same time, same place, man.

[Joe Budden]

Go nigga.

[Mark]

Always New York.

[Joe Budden]

We love you.

[Guest]

Last night, reality tore open over Madison Square Garden and God lost his freaking parlay. Every Nicks fan who died waiting for this moment came back like that one scene from Star wars floating above 9th Avenue. Like holy shit, they actually did. Because after 53 years of bad trades, cursed draft picks and Knicks fans getting blueballed by destiny so many times, their therapists started billing MSG directly. The unbelievable, unimaginable statistically offensive miracle everyone swore could never happen. The New York Knicks won the NBA Finals. One night New York City stopped being a roach infested invalid voice with sirens and became a five borough mental health emergency with confetti. Jalen Brunson, a compact assassin built like the most dangerous assistant principal in America, walked into game five and dropped 45 points like he had a personal vendetta against every man from France. And with a final score of 94 90, the New York Knicks became the 2026 world champions. And New York reacted the way a city full of emotionally damaged adults reacts when it finally gets permission to lose its mind in public. Cars got stomped out like Jurassic park had YNs on the loose. Cops tried to corral people like they were in red Dead redemption. White families from Ohio on vacation were fleeing in terror. People were dancing like their knees owed somebody money. Cameras were out dry stitching on everybody. And every Thursday, 30 year old had that horrifying moment where they realized they were way too old for this. And with the Puerto Rican Day parade already in full effect, World cup fans drunk and lost in Times Square and Pride month warming up. New York was already on demon time and had the cops fucking stressed inside all that madness. There was actual love there. This was bigger than basketball. This was every kind of New Yorker standing under the same bruised sky, briefly free from death, exhaustion, tribalism and living in this miserable city. And that's what I'm going to miss the most. It was watching the group chat come back to life, making new friends in real time and somehow feeling like the whole night had been waiting for you. That's the strange magic of New York City, the beautiful power of the New York Knicks and the impossible love we have for this ridiculous place where our mayor's still Muslim, our bagels stay Jewish.

[Joe Budden]

Talk about it.

[Guest]

Our Christians are always Dior.

[Joe Budden]

Talk about it. The Pope is on our side.

[Guest]

Guess what, buddy?

[Cook]

Nixon.

[Guest]

Nixon.

[Mark]

Five, you ass Frenchman.

[Ebro]

Well, four.

[Joe Budden]

Well, fold that up right now. You've never heard of Joe Buddy?

[Mark]

Hey, what the.

[Joe Budden]

Where's my flip drop?

[Ish]

Here we go.

[Mark]

I'm from the Web and Nitty era. It's the network.