#2518 - Tim Dillon

Summary

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The Joe Rogan Experience #2518 – Tim Dillon

Release Date: June 24, 2026

Episode Overview

Joe Rogan welcomes comedian Tim Dillon for a marathon conversation that blends personal stories, sharp cultural commentary, geopolitical musings, and classic irreverent humor. The duo reflect on everything from smoking, LA’s decline, immigration, political divisions, media trust, artificial intelligence, to wild current events. The tone is freewheeling, conspiratorial, yet often incisive and candid, characteristic of both Rogan and Dillon at their best.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Personal Anecdotes: Smoking & Sobriety

Timestamp: 00:01–02:46

• Both Joe and Tim trade early experiences with cigarettes. Joe reflects on being 15 years sober from alcohol and drugs, noting cigarettes maintain a “cool” image in culture, unlike alcohol.
• Discussion on how, despite health warnings, cigarettes remain an appealing product globally.
  “What other product could they tell you: it kills you, and we’re raising the price every year.” — Joe Rogan (02:46)

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2. American Excess vs. European Restraint

Timestamp: 03:11–05:25

• Comparing American eating habits and retail (Buc-ee's, massive grocery stores), Rogan and Dillon note how alien American consumerism is to Europeans.
• Europeans, they observe, have less paranoia about supply and more frequent grocery trips due to different food standards and fridge sizes.

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3. Prepper Mentality & LA’s Apocalypse Experience

Timestamp: 05:32–07:52

• Tim describes having a “bug out truck” while living in LA, due to repeated fire and riot evacuations.
• Discussion on the origin of Palm Springs as a Hollywood escape, tied to contractual rules of the past.

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4. LA & Hollywood’s Decline

Timestamp: 07:52–11:12 & 11:18–12:29

• Both agree LA feels like a sequel of itself — less about showbiz, more about influencers and TikTokers.
• Production has dramatically shifted away from LA due to overtaxation, with only 25-30% of content now shot there.
• Joe: “It’s what every empire said until they fell... we are the thing.” (11:31)
• Repeated fires, riots, and a sense of “eviction by nature” are seen as signals of decay.

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5. Empathy Industry & Urban Decline

Timestamp: 12:29–14:11

• Tim criticizes the “empathy industry” in LA, where non-profits with good intentions are inadvertently contributing to dysfunction.
• Comparison to Atlantic City, whose economic struggles are linked to concentration of unproductive populations reliant on social programs.

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6. Surveillance, AI, and Free Speech

Timestamp: 15:20–19:24

• Both see AI and surveillance as the next major societal battlefront — autonomy and privacy as uniting issues beyond culture war divides.
• Discussion shifts to Britain, where speech is more regulated, including arrests for “likes and retweets” on social media. “That’s so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet. Arrested, not even retweeting.” — Joe Rogan (16:38)

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7. Europe’s Immigration and Social Unrest

Timestamp: 19:39–27:27

• Joe recaps his time in London, observing how migration strains stagnant economies and fuels cultural tensions especially outside big cities.
• They discuss the UK rape gang scandals, government/media coverups, and EU-mandated migration, expressing skepticism about supranational control.
• Dillon suggests “economic elites” prioritize GDP over cultural cohesion.

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8. Weaponized Empathy & Western Destabilization

Timestamp: 27:45–32:28

• Tim and Joe argue that “suicidal empathy” is being manipulated by powerful interests:
  “Their empathy is being weaponized... These are the same people who really don’t care if people in the state over have health care.” — Tim Dillon (31:20)
• They discuss the destabilizing effects of interventions in the Middle East and resultant migration.
• Both foresee 50 years of increased socio-political turbulence in Europe.

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9. AI, Home Ownership, and Economic Future

Timestamp: 34:30–39:59

• Tim believes economic policies (lack of home ownership, no universal healthcare) reflect an unspoken acknowledgment that AI will upend the economy and social structure.
• Concerns voiced over concentration of power in tech giants, likened to East India Companies, but now with “robot armies” and digital gods.

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10. Social Trust, Healthcare, & Education Parallels

Timestamp: 40:44–42:30

• They compare US and UK attitudes toward government and public trust, noting the UK’s higher support for social programs.
• Tim laments America’s “out of balance” culture: “That’s what I would describe America if you had to describe it in three words. It’s just out of balance.” (42:30)

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11. AI’s Impact on Human Experience and Community

Timestamp: 48:09–51:02

• Reflections on digitalization eroding human purpose and connections: from automated fast food to online holiday shopping.
• “If we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche?” — Joe Rogan (49:31)
• Social media’s anxiety-fueling effects are critiqued: “People are very attached to this idea that they have to weigh in on everything...” (50:03)

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12. Identity Politics, Virtue Signaling, and Corporate Wokeness

Timestamp: 52:43–57:44

• Tim rants about performative “wokeness” by corporations (“Why is my bank gay?”), critiquing virtue signaling and the backlash it’s provoked.
• Audience laughter at his comparison:
  "I don't need the Padres to be gay. Why are the Padres gay?" — Tim Dillon (52:43)
• He rails against former Scientologists who “rat” after benefitting.

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13. Conformity, Modern Cult Mentality, and Cancel Culture

Timestamp: 57:44–60:08

• Generational anxiety about voicing independent opinions, cultural programming, and the fear of being excommunicated from digital “communities.”
• “It’s a religion, it acts like a cult, and you have to go along with every aspect or you’ll be excommunicated.” — Guest (59:09)

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14. Extreme Human Stories: General Butt Naked

Timestamp: 61:49–66:18

• The true, wild story of “General Butt Naked,” a Liberian warlord turned Christian convert.
• “He’s got Jesus. He’s led a full life.” — Joe Rogan (65:46)
• Used as a springboard for discussing how immigration brings radically different life experiences and value systems — highlighting the fragility of societies when rapidly demographically altered.

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15. Family, Culture, and The Role of Therapy

Timestamp: 72:19–75:51

• Tim explains American individualism undermines family connections, contrasting it with collectivist cultures where family bonds deter self-destructive choices.
• “Therapy in our country is… a way to enable like, sick people to just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing.” — Tim Dillon (73:19)

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16. Psychedelics, DMT, and the Nature of Reality

Timestamp: 77:24–84:45

• Discussion of new psychedelic research, “map-making” of the DMT dimension, and the possibility psychedelic experiences reveal “real” aspects of existence.
• “How weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place?” — Joe Rogan (83:00)

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17. UFOs, Disclosure, and Government Secrecy

Timestamp: 84:45–94:41

• UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) and military technology: the potential for drones behaving like UFOs, quantum-level surveillance, and cover stories used by intelligence agencies.
• The recurring theme: government and media hide information, fueling public distrust.

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18. Crypto, Media Manipulation, and Influence

Timestamp: 104:12–107:15

• Cryptocurrencies as conduits for money laundering, political influence, and shadowy actors.
• Both warn about the dangers of hidden sponsorship and manipulation in modern digital media.

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19. UFC, Culture, and the ‘MAGA’ Moment

Timestamp: 108:10–114:08

• Joe and Tim break down the political theater of a controversial UFC event at the White House, linking it to peak “MAGA” culture and the current era’s obsession with spectacle.
• “The country just exists for ratings now anyway. It’s all it exists for.” — Joe Rogan (112:40)

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20. Media Collapse, Barry Weiss, and Trust Breakdown

Timestamp: 119:09–134:55

• They roast CBS’s current state under new leadership (Barry Weiss), anchor meltdowns, and the broader death spiral of mainstream media.
• “Do we have any trust left in these institutions?” — Joe Rogan (134:23)
• Discussion around the blurred line between editorial direction and political/financial interests in newsrooms.

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21. Middle East, US Foreign Policy, and Israel

Timestamp: 136:17–145:46

• Openly critical analysis of US-Israel relations, the Iran war, donor influence, and the rationale (or lack thereof) for continued conflict.
• “It’s inhumane. It’s evil. It’s children being killed. It’s mothers being killed in front of their children... October 7th was inhumane. But I shouldn’t have to keep doing that.” — Joe Rogan (144:16)
• Frustration at lack of serious investigations into major national security events (e.g., Oct 7, 9/11).

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22. AI Arms Race, Social Credit, and Systemic Fragility

Timestamp: 148:23–151:05

• AI likened to a new Manhattan Project — the U.S. is portrayed as racing China, but risks becoming like China in the process (centralized data, social credit).
• “China will enslave you. Let us do it first.” — Joe Rogan (149:41)

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23. Collapse, Escape, and Hope for the Future

Timestamp: 153:30–155:51

• Tim lampoons the idea of being “invited to a bunker” with tech elites post-apocalypse.
• Joe’s “best case scenario” is “a new era of enlightened people... a healthy attachment to technology and religion... togetherness and love for community.”
• Acknowledgement that society is safer and more inclusive than the past, but expresses nostalgia for moments of chaos that bred unique art and culture.

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24. 2028 Political Predictions

Timestamp: 160:35–163:56

• The pair speculate on future elections — Vance and Rubio as potential GOP contenders, and a “boring” Democrat emerging (John Ossoff is floated).
• “At this point, we all know it’s fake. How much more evidence does anyone need?” — Joe Rogan (164:04)

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25. Affirmation and Sign-off

Timestamp: 164:06–164:35

• Joe praises Tim for his unique blend of insight and comedy.
• Tim’s closing: “I’ll keep doing it until I’m put in jail.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s what every empire said until they fell.” – Joe Rogan (11:31)
• “Their empathy is being weaponized... These are the same people who really don’t care if people in the state over have health care.” – Tim Dillon (31:20)
• “If we destroy all of that [real-life experience], what happens to the human psyche?” – Joe Rogan (49:31)
• “It’s a religion, it acts like a cult, and you have to go along with every aspect or you’ll be excommunicated.” – Guest (59:09)
• “Why is my bank gay?” – Tim Dillon (53:21)
• “That alone, just that alone [misreporting], like driving the car toward the officer — that’s just not technically correct.” – Tim Dillon (134:55)
• “At this point, we all know it’s fake. How much more evidence does anyone need?” – Joe Rogan (164:04)

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Conclusion

This episode is a meandering, dense tapestry of social, political and philosophical reflections, punctuated by comedic relief. Joe and Tim voice skepticism toward centers of power, worry about technological overreach, and lambast the vapidity of corporate culture, yet maintain a sense of humor and flashes of optimism.

Recommended for: Listeners interested in a funny yet unfiltered take on contemporary America, culture wars, media, politics, and the technological future.

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Note: Timestamps are approximate due to naturalistic, flowing conversation style.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Guest 1]

Check it out.

[Joe Rogan]

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast. By night, all day, and I was smoking. My father said that to me. He goes, you know what's a good thing about you? You never smoked them down to the filter.

[Guest 2]

What a good kid.

[Joe Rogan]

And what a great family. What a great family.

[Guest 2]

My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was always like, God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid. Yeah. And then I had to do a play once with Adam Ferrara and a couple other I had. I was supposed to play this something that a bunch of comics wrote, like, funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed to play this, like, tortured liberal arts student. And I was, like, smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked, like, 15 cigarettes while we were doing it. And I threw up. I had a horrible headache. I was like, oh, my God, I'm so high.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Guest 2]

My arms don't move. Right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoked 15 in a row during.

[Joe Rogan]

Were you, like an athlete too?

[Guest 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so that totally you up?

[Guest 2]

Oh, completely. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No. The first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible. But I was like, this is great. My body responded. I don't know how, like, what you had is the very normal experience.

[Guest 2]

It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, oh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool. I go, now I got. I kind of get it. I get why you guys like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

But I had. We were doing this thing, and I had to always be smoking. So we had a rehearse. We were doing it all day, and I wanted to try to, like, feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them. And then I liked them, so. So I kept smoking them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. It's a tough thing because the thing about. And I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs, and I look at people that are really drunk. It doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good. It looks like, ah, it always looks good. You never say to yourself, like, that person's gonna lose now. You'll get sick and die. But you never go, they're gonna lose control of their life.

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're having one. They're cool. It's fine.

[Guest 2]

They're using it to help hang on again.

[Joe Rogan]

I never look cool with It. It's like you look at an actor doing it or someone at like the Con Film Festival. Yeah. Someone like that. Timothy Chalamet has one. He's the size of one and he has one. And I go, that's fine. Probably in France or something. You know what I mean? They all do like that. So you'll see that.

[Guest 2]

You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses. Yeah, cigarette holders.

[Joe Rogan]

Ye.

[Guest 2]

That's your next move. I just got long stems with the cigarette at the end of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Like 1920s. Like 1920s. And no, it's, it's. And it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And it destroys your clothes and it's very bad for your health, obviously.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But it is one of those things that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you? It kills you. And we're raising the price every year.

[Guest 2]

How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the cartons

[Joe Rogan]

when you buy them. When I was in London and you bought one, there was a. Like a dead baby on one photo. They were like, low birth weight.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, this is terrible.

[Guest 2]

And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like, they don't understand the way we eat.

[Guest 2]

Gluttony.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't get it. There is. There are. There's something called Toby Carvery, like, where you can just like just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for the most part the portions are smaller and people are more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and they smoke.

[Guest 2]

This is it. European World cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell Ranch and unlimited refills.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Because they get sick when they come here. They get sick because there's chemicals in our food.

[Guest 2]

Somebody was telling me they went to BUC EE's and the. There was. The soccer teams were at BUC EE's for the first time and they just fucking couldn't believe it.

[Guest 1]

Of course.

[Guest 2]

Imagine that's your first. One of the first experiences you have in America. You walk into a Buc Ees.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the. It's one of the most American places, as you've said, that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also like a weird theme park of

[Guest 1]

food

[Joe Rogan]

and all kinds of other shit that you could need.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. This guy. Dude. Lmao. At. This is a gas station.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Well, do you see how big they are?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

The first 24 million views. That's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's completely alien to their culture.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To have a place like that where you could go buy the Costcos or. Alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and things that you would keep, like, you know, like, it's all. They all think we're preppers. Because if you go to, like a. A big grocery store chain, you're buying food for a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for, like, the week.

[Guest 2]

They have small refrigerators.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, small refrigerators. Couple of days.

[Guest 2]

They don't have refrigerators like we have. But also they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poison.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. They also don't think. And they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think that, like, they're going to lose access because of some race war. You know what I mean? Like, there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs. That does seem slightly paranoid.

[Guest 2]

Oh, yeah. Well, the news media over here ramps you up. Oh, yeah. And you, you know. Yeah. Start thinking about stockpiling gold.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Guest 2]

Listen, when I lived in L. A. When my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built, right. That Toyota Land Cruiser I got. I specifically, I go, I need a bug out truck. Like a truck where I could store a lot of in it and it could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

I need a car that occasionally might go sideways and you got to get the out of here and you got to drive through the desert.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. And you. And I've left LA multiple times to make that drive. Not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires, because of riots. Like, sometimes you just got to get out of Dodge.

[Guest 2]

Three times I got evacuated three times when I lived there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And it got as close to, like, burning my fence down.

[Joe Rogan]

It's part of the LA experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding, but there was just overturned cop cars on fire and it was like riots. This was 2020. So I just got in my car and I went, okay. And I drove to the desert. That's part of the la.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Experience is fleeing.

[Guest 2]

That's what Palm beach is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, The Palm Springs.

[Guest 2]

Palm Springs. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you flee.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, you flee.

[Joe Rogan]

You go.

[Guest 2]

I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. It's hot as there's no water.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know why?

[Guest 2]

It started with money.

[Joe Rogan]

It started because when. When Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles of until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly 200 miles from LA.

[Guest 2]

Oh, that's why.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why they started Hollywood. That, you know, they were like, we own you. You can't go anywhere until the film was edited. So if you want to go on a vacation, you have to go there.

[Guest 2]

You know what's interesting is like Pasadena was where all the, like, producers lived.

[Joe Rogan]

Y.

[Guest 2]

There's beautiful houses in Pasadena, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Mid century modern.

[Guest 2]

Beautiful, incredible places like estates that just seem completely out of place. Totally beautiful from another time.

[Joe Rogan]

From another time. Well, that's the thing in LA now you get the vibe that you're, you're. Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's not Hollywood. It's Hollywood the sequel. Like, you're not living in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second version of the thing is.

[Guest 2]

Right. The second of the thing is. Second version is tick tocker.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Whatever it is, it's not. Not. It's not what it was. In every place seems a little bit like a museum or like it was cool 20 years ago or 15 years ago.

[Guest 2]

You know, somebody recently said this, and it's perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming Detroit.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The only thing that might save it is the weather.

[Guest 2]

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[Joe Rogan]

They over taxed and over regulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And most people are making things all over the world and very few. I think at one time was like 80 to 90%. Now it's 25, 30% shot in L. A. Wow. It's a big difference.

[Guest 2]

It's a giant difference. Well that, that arrogance of like this is the best place in the world. Everyone's going to come here no matter what.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

That, that's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he defends California talks about how great the GDP is. We, you know, we're the fifth. We would be the fifth largest economic. You know, he starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics and this is like instead of acknowledging we've got a fucking real problems. People are moving for the first time ever more than they're coming here.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

We're losing all these giant corporations that are. Instead of that, it's just this. We're the shit. No one's that doesn't matter. I'm very big on California. I'm bullish on California. It's always going to be amazing here.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's what every empire said until they fell. Yeah, right. There's we are the thing.

[Guest 2]

But people don't want to ever believe that things can fall. It's so weird. We'll we' right through the Coliseum. Well, this can never happen again.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. When we landed in la, I looked to the right and that that warehouse was on fire. With 85 billion or 85 million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that was on fire was like a multi day blaze. And you're landing and you're looking out the window and you're just seeing the warehouse on fire. And then there was a car fire on the 405. Like I sold my house, I have an apartment there now. But like as I was going to my apartment, there was a car on fire. And I was, as I was landing, the warehouse was on fire. And you start thinking to yourself, somebody doesn't want us here. Like somebody wants us out. Like, it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature.

[Guest 2]

By nature. Interesting. Human nature.

[Joe Rogan]

By bad decisions. By everything.

[Guest 2]

Which is nature.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

You know, human nature is nature. And the stupidity of humans is. It's no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think it comes back? Any shot, any chance?

[Guest 2]

Something has to happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Guest 2]

Something big has to happen. I mean, there has to be something that completely shifts the way LA looks at itself. You know, it has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

The, a big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch of people that are in the empathy industry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that and, and giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of show.

[Joe Rogan]

I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there. And the owner of that casino was talking to me and I said, what would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to la, but vastly worse.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, way worse.

[Joe Rogan]

And, and he was telling me, he goes, we have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. So you have a lot of people that are not, for whatever reason, productive and they are living in one area. And everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is, you know, vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive.

[Guest 2]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is what happened in New York in the 90s. People hate it. They don't want to admit it. But what happened in New York in the 90s was like they did Clean up a lot of the crime and a lot of businesses, then felt better about investing 100%.

[Guest 2]

But that's what Giuliani did.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what he did. Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And he's demonized.

[Joe Rogan]

He's demonized. He's demonized. He hasn't. He's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would have been amazing. But he's hung around for a while, and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, how do you just cleaned up New York City and then left public life? It would have been like that guy, right. But he hung around a little bit and, you know, got involved.

[Guest 2]

They always have to hang around.

[Joe Rogan]

They always hang around.

[Guest 2]

You're gonna do shows. You're always gonna do stand up.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Guest 2]

I was gonna do shows.

[Joe Rogan]

But he did such a good thing. And then it was like just. Yeah, just exit.

[Guest 2]

Who's also, you know, he was easy to make fun of. Like the time where he was sweating in his dye. Well, that's what I mean, you know,

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he's melting. He's doing a hair dye.

[Guest 2]

Was. Conference in a parking lot. Don't dye your hair yet. You're years old. It's okay to have gray hair. It's just these guys. There's so much silliness on both sides. You know, there's. So there's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people, because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Guest 2]

You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City. It's not.

[Joe Rogan]

You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence, and they, you know, I think a lot of that. But the AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to. I think it. I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to. It's going to lessen some of the cultural divides, and I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's. I think it's going to be. The next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your. Your own rights, what rights you'll have. Like, I feel like that will be. It might take precedent instead of, like, these cultural fights that people have been having for a while. It might be like people might be demanding autonomy, you know, from artificial intelligence.

[Guest 2]

The Problem is going to be if you can't demand, if you. If you don't have a voice anymore. And this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England. So in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests that people get over there for. Retweets and likes. Retweets and likes.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet. Arrested, not even retweeting. Because we all know if you, like, you're a piece of shit, you should retweet. We all know that. Retweet it. And if you're gonna go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. You're gonna get locked up.

[Guest 2]

What if you get extra years for a retweet versus a. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure. Your honor, my client just liked this. They were confused. They hit a button.

[Guest 2]

So as soon as you have people that feel like the reality of the world they live in is not being represented and they're not allowed to complain about it online, because if they complain about online, they get arrested. So right now, it's for immigration primarily. This is the big one. But that could change. That could change.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it does seem to be that they. They feel that there was a decision made by somebody that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way. They can only offer their. Like, if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it. It's their country. They should be able to say, I'm worried about increased levels of immigration, you know, and they should be able to say that in an ineloquent way. Right, right. So what they're doing now is they're policing certain words and I think certain ways of speaking, and they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now, some things clearly are an incitement to violence. But, you know, the Internet people speak in a colorful way. People talk using irony. Some people are trying to be funny. Some people are. So I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, this person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying.

[Guest 2]

Right. And then there's also people were getting arrested for saying that there were rape gangs.

[Joe Rogan]

And there were. And there were, there were.

[Guest 2]

And so this new report. Who released this New report that said a quarter million people. It says UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts. After review says response went too far. So this is April 1, 2026, but I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago.

[Joe Rogan]

And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful.

[Guest 2]

I think that's a legal social media post is which weird. So legal social media posts, right. Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there. So incitement to violence is a violation of their law.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's clearly not an incitement of violence. But would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days. And you talk to different groups of people. And London's a global city, It's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York. And you know, I think one of the things that, you know, they're used to diversity there and so they're not full on panicked about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in, it's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do. And a lot of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture in a, in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion, whatever it is. There is a cultural tension there between, you know, immigrants, migrants coming in and this, the very established society that's been around for a very long time.

[Guest 2]

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[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Is it about Dearborn? Is that where it is?

[Joe Rogan]

Dearborn, Michigan?

[Guest 2]

Yeah. So we're a bunch of really progressive people. Thought it's amazing. Sure. Bring everyone in. Everyone. Everyone's welcome. And so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor and then this guy says, no more pride flags.

[Joe Rogan]

No more pride flags.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, yeah. They're inching towards what they would like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Which is Sharia law. Law, if you ask for. Sure. Most people who live in these Islamic countries now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress. They're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So you've got to factor that in. But at least a percentage of them there's. Think Sharia law would be a great idea.

[Joe Rogan]

I think there's certainly a. Yeah. I mean, and this was covered up too, a lot of the grooming gang scandal there.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. So we're looking at it right now. It says this is on national review, the UK's horrific rape gangs. So this. But there was. Is this the rape gang inquiry report? Right. So who put this report out? Members of Parliament and Restore Britain party leader Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators had limited power, such as inability, inability to compel witnesses or require a sort of document production that could corroborate some of the most heinous victims. Viewed with those limitations in mind, the Independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades. Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously.

[Guest 2]

I mean, I think they said it was 250,000 girls.

[Joe Rogan]

And this was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame anger against, you know, population of migrants.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this. Obviously.

[Guest 2]

Obviously.

[Joe Rogan]

But it is something that, you know, in a free society, everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them.

[Guest 2]

But isn't that crazy that in the under the guise of progressiveness.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

You've enabled rape gangs?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, 100%. It's crazy. But it's also incredibly, it's not shocking because the ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now. Whereas basically, if the goal is to just eliminate whatever it's being called, this patriarchal white, male dominated society, and if you want to get rid of that, and that's the end goal, a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle. Like, a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal really is to kind of decrease the power of people they disagree with. You know, So, I mean, it's like, you know, you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design. And I don't, I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's, it's odd that this is all happenstance because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So I would imagine that at some point, you know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this, it's, you know, they're part of the eu and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So the EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, here's how many migrants you have to admit, here's your carbon emission standards, here's your, you know, monetary policy, whatever it is. And Ireland is kind of in that, in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty, they're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supranational organization. That's, that primarily seems concerned with the economics because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children. So a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about how do we grow this economy, how do we get cheap, you know, help and, and how do we get workers. And a lot of it is you're getting third world migration. Some of it's genuine refugees, for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration. People are coming for better life. Hard to blame them. But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's the question. If you Lived in Ireland? Do you get to have a, a better life? Do, do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that? And no one seems that concerned about that. Like these, these citizens who've lived forever in these countries, whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, Britain, uk, you know, things like that. That those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems that they're having there.

[Guest 2]

Well, it's really interesting to watch because if there is a plan, I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific, but it's interesting. It can be both. It can be both, sure. If there is a plan, like whose plan, Whose plan and who's benefiting from this, why would you do this?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters, that don't care that nation states have cultures and histories and customs. And that doesn't really, that doesn't bother them as much. And their basic, their basic, you know, response is to just deal with it and to call everyone a racist who questions it, or to say everyone's jingoist or ethnocentric or anti immigrant or whatever, they shut down those conversations. And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world and they don't believe in a world of nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power economically from those people and then eventually they want to take it culturally and every other way. So they just want to go around the world and say, here's the way every country will look. Here's the economic policy of every country. And if the people in those countries don't like it and they express, you know, that on social media, they're going to get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use, you know, military authority to fire water cannons at them or shut them down or use gas or whatever. And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're going to infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing, which they do all the time.

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

So it's hard to see it. Not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living. But I think it is clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups, steal resources, and then like drench our, our communities in, in guilt and say, now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with that. None of that has to happen. That's, that's a strategy of, of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this.

[Guest 2]

Do you think it also has a. One of the factors might be that they want conflict. The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're going to pay attention to what the government's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're going to be willing to accept new laws. New laws, new surveillance technologies and you're going to just say, I want peace and I don't care how we get it, I don't care how we achieve it.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think that's very possible, but it does feel like it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across. But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include non binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa. Yeah, good luck.

[Guest 2]

But I mean that's, but it's amazing that the people that would be most opposed, the people that like, if you do bring those people in, the people they're gonna hate the most, are the people that want them in the most. They're the ones who are most likely to say we shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here. And no person's illegal.

[Joe Rogan]

And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not the people bringing them in. They're being used, right?

[Guest 2]

They're being. Their suicidal empathy.

[Joe Rogan]

Their empathy is being weaponized. It's being used people, right? So people that are manufacturing this reality are using those people. These are the same people who really don't care if people in the state over have health care, Right? These are people that haven't spoken to their sister in two years, Right. And they care a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever. But we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be in isis, we got rid of Gaddafi, their slave markets in Libya, right? So we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe, we destabilized all of Europe. And you know, you can't take us out of it, you can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of It. You can't take the US and Britain, France and a lot of other powers that have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through Western countries, European countries.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It's going to be a fun next 50 years.

[Guest 2]

It's kind of crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from 1998, from Paris. Yeah. Versus today. They showed, like, 1998, and then they showed 2020.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a different thing. And, you know, listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes, different groups of people, you know. But then you look in. In Ireland, this guy just got beheaded in the street, which I'm against, and I think is wrong. And he beheaded some guy, a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded or damn near beheaded, tried to. And there's a video of it. And. And now Belfast, like. Like, you know, it's probably quieted down now, but they were, like, tremendous riots. They were, like, burning things down because they're like, we never got a vote on this. We never get a vote on. On bringing the people in. Yeah, we never got a vote on that. No one ever asked us how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly and what we were prepared to do. No one ever asked that.

[Guest 2]

People don't like to admit it, but an armed population, it's much more difficult to pull things off. 100% population. And that's another part of the problem with the uk, with Ireland, all these places. It's very difficult to have a gun.

[Joe Rogan]

Diversity also relies on a very productive economy. So New York City works to do to the degree it does, because people can go out and get jobs, because the economic reality of the city is that it can support a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people. But when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of the uk, that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell, harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well. Like the people that have lived there forever, not thriving. They don't feel great. Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling to find work. So that's part of the problem.

[Guest 2]

Do you think that this is being done with a strategy, knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, I believe this is what I believe. I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. People pay lip service to the idea. But there's There's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age, who have never owned a home and never will and no one's trying to. No one's wants them. They've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like, have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game. And they live in a little apartment, they type, you know, they're on a MacBook, they're getting radicalized in any direction, they're upset, they're on dating apps or whatever, but they don't feel like they have a foundational core to their life. No one has really, really even given them the idea that they're going to get that. So I think that's just one of the things where people are, they're basically saying, like, no, you don't need a house and you're not getting a house. And forget what owning a house was like. Forget that. That doesn't matter. And I think part of this is because they know same thing with health care. There's no real movement to give anyone health care in this country. And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So on the positive side, you might go, well, they know that AI is coming and that AI is going to do a lot of stuff with health and it's going to help extend life spans. And. But also on the negative side, they go as going to disrupt the economy to a point where like, we're not going to have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of people without a steady income or they don't really know what to do. We're going to have a lot of wealth that's existed, a lot of capital, and we're going to have tremendous inequality. We're going to have a lot of joblessness. So for sure, I think that, that they're, they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape because they're selling the country off for parts. And this is both parties and this is like they're selling it off for parts. So I mean, obviously there something's coming, something's coming for sure. And I don't know when it is. And I'm sure the AI things overblown to an extent. And I think so much of our GDP depends on it that a lot of these companies are lying. But anthropics are creepy. These are creepy companies. You know, I mean, they're just creepy.

[Guest 2]

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[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

That tech companies have in general.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally.

[Guest 2]

Is unprecedented. There's never been corporations. I mean, unless you go back to like the East India corporations that, you know, you go back in the day where they, they had like an enormous army.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

You know.

[Guest 1]

Totally.

[Guest 2]

And they took over India and Pakistan and the. But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that. You know, other than the army part, what they have is robot armies. And then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is going to Be like a million times smarter than the, the smartest human that's ever lived.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

Like, this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital God. And it's going to be controlled by. Not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by select few group of people. And that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels and you're not going to get a vote on, you know, like, I think the, the reality is that eventually they're going to go, do you want safe streets? You want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You got to do X, Y and Z. You got to believe X, Y and Z. Yeah. And I mean, that seems to be coming.

[Guest 2]

And it seems like if you put people in a corner, you get them scared. They'll. This is what we learned during COVID Like, they will back down. They'll. They'll go along with a lot of stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

They'll go to. They'll go. They'll try to find comfort and they will listen to people that they deem to be worthy.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. You know, they'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you have all these studies that come out. You know, this is the thing that I like, I love London and I. The people there are great and they're fun people and everything like that, but they have a, you know, because they get health care, they get a little more from their government than we do. There's more trust in their government than we have in our government. And there's positives to that and there's negatives, but they, they're a society of rules and customs and order, and it is a bit different. So I think they are more likely to go along with the grand plan of the government, more so than the United States, where we really do question more what's happening than people in Europe or the UK overall.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. Well, that makes sense. Right? They have socialized health care. They have. Isn't their education paid for? Completely. Isn't universal?

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They have good stuff. They have a good life.

[Guest 2]

There's benefits to that.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally.

[Guest 2]

There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said that, like, in this country, it's foolish that we don't have that. We don't pay for higher education. Like, the more educated people, the better. Like the less losers.

[Joe Rogan]

The better part of our country is, is, you know, where we, we do, we. We manufacture a Lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths. That's what our culture does. A lot of sociopaths, a lot of sociopaths.

[Guest 2]

A lot of people that don't give a. About anything.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of people that don't care about anything.

[Guest 2]

And it's, that's the thing that comes along with the glut too, right? It's celebrated and they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it just inspires all these eat the rich people.

[Joe Rogan]

The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe America if you had to describe it in three words. It's just out of balance. It's out of balance. It does it. And it's hard because we've got 350 million people. It's hard to bat, you know, and it's like, what are the people in Menlo park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarsie? Like, yeah, I get it, it's a weird place. So you have all these different climates, habitats. People have different interests. But I think AI might unite people because like the idea of this as such a powerful force if people don't start getting cognizant of it eventually and start, you know, talking about regulating it or anything. You know, I do think it's, it is going to be, you know, a very strange time if people, you know, just ignore it forever.

[Guest 2]

It's gonna do something weird, I'll tell you that. It's not gonna be nor like whatever is coming over the next 20 years, no one is predicting it.

[Joe Rogan]

I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity.

[Guest 2]

How about Peter Thiel's like that whole Antichrist thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he does that whole thing.

[Guest 2]

What is he doing? He gave a lecture on the Antichrist.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And, and a lot of those guys, guys are, are, are moving into this interesting area of this is, this is God wants this. Like J.D. vance, who's not the worst person obviously, and I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the Iran war for sure. I think he's by far one of the only people in there going, let's calm it down. Which is why a lot of the big donors are, are, are, are slinging mud at him, you know. But again, it's just, he just released a book about faith and reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a Lovely book. Haven't read it. Fun beach read. JD Vance is reconnecting with his faith. Great. Inspiring. Amazing. We'll get to it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier. But, you know, it's also interesting because, like, some of his donors are huge tech guys. And it's, It's. It's all of these worlds existing together where you have this world of people who are trying to build a God and the world of people who already believe in a God and trying to get all of those people in the same tent. That's interesting.

[Guest 2]

It is. You know, imagine if that's where God comes from, if this is a natural process for human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation.

[Joe Rogan]

But then what happens once we get gone? Like, once we. Let's say we bring this God, and then what happens?

[Guest 2]

Nirvana.

[Joe Rogan]

Nirvana.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, we. We all merge. Becomes perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. So we all merge and that's perfect.

[Guest 2]

It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're going to merge with the machine.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting, because people do believe that at

[Guest 2]

one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel going, man, I see where this is going to go, right? This is gonna my whole gig up. My whole gig is making weapons on a stone and tying them to a stick with tendons, right? And then chasing an animal and sparing them. And now these invented guns and these invented arrows and.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

With every progression of techno, like bow and arrows, technology changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a horse, well, that's like a new innovation, right? A horse now, now you can move a lot faster. You can get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel, all right? Drag the wheel, put a cart on it. Now we carry stuff with us, right? More than the stuff that you could put on a horse, right? Get a couple horses, they pull a wagon. Oh, right. Hey, this guy figured out a engine. We don't need horses anymore, right? All right, let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed Australia Pithecus, Manhattan in 2026, they believe, like, they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They'd be horrified.

[Joe Rogan]

But do you think, like, if we showed Peter Thiel 2050, he'd go, no, that's it, like that's what I want, like whatever. 20. Like. Do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's going to be?

[Guest 2]

No, I think, I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sentient. I don't think it's possible. If you, if Elon is correct, if Elon's correct and there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings and somehow or another is. Why would we let people govern? Why would we let people build that stupid rail station in California that's cost how much money and it's produced what, how much, how much was done? Why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that?

[Joe Rogan]

But if, if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's going to go. We're not building a rail station for these fat fucks, you know, I mean, seriously, it's going to go. Why would build a rail station for these people? So they can get drunk and go fight each other. How about we get rid of them?

[Guest 2]

Well, maybe it's. We don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there.

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Guest 2]

Create little mini wormholes all over the country. You don't need a car anymore. You just press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks, you know, we'll do something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I just look at technology and I go, it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop.

[Guest 1]

Stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Around 2014, 2015, a lot of the new things started that came in, made the world to me, very impersonal, corporate, sterile and cold.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And the experiences that you get now, like, you know, there was like if you, you know, I went with a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's and like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there. There's some nine year old kid going, Hey, I ordered a McFlurry. Some woman screaming at him, where's the receipt? What's the receipt? He's like nine. He's like, what? There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything.

[Guest 2]

You take people out of everything and then you don't. Also, they have no purpose.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

Especially consider the high number of unemployed people and checked out people. And then people that have. Whatever their job is, has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people just watching their phone. Yeah. Playing video games. There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose. They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to. To.

[Joe Rogan]

But some experiences are much worse now than they were.

[Guest 2]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Before they were digitized. Like, I do think there was just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier. But there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and, like, going to different places and seeing people and, like, the struggle of, like, getting the thing you want. There was something. I bet you were expending energy. You're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. People. If we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's my question.

[Guest 2]

Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see, like, anxiety, like, levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from like, whatever the age of the Internet kicked in. So it's like, what, 94 or something like that. I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up, and then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before. Without real threat.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally.

[Guest 2]

Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, people are very, you know, attached to this idea that they have to weigh in on everything, that they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything. And the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person? Am I. Do I have the right thoughts about this thing? Am I being. You know, so that, to me, is also another level of stress where, like, you would have never had to. There were people when I grew up that just were really good at one thing, and they. They didn't need to have an opinion on something that was happening, you know, a world away because they didn't have

[Guest 2]

the knowledge and they weren't forced into.

[Joe Rogan]

Forced into expressing that opinion.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they were able to live in a very. In a much simpler way, in a much happier way, with real, genuine connections to people. And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now, like, the generation that's Coming up. You know, the younger people, I, I, they seem better off. Like the Zoomers or whatever they are are. They seem to be a little, they have a little, a dose of nihilism. But I think it's appropriate. They're a little, you know, they've good sense of humor, they're skeptical, they're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions, you know, churn out a lot of garbage. And I think they're, they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff. They're into like, you know, they're self starters. They are, they're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with and the generation directly under me, they're all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved. Whether you're at NYU or whether it's the State Department or whether it's a board or whether it's, or whether it's a nonprofit that commissioned to study that proved the thing. A lot of these kids do not think for themselves. And they're not kids. They're in their 30s, by the way way, and they're in their 30s or 40s. They don't think for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad. It's racist or it's, it's, it can lead you down a road that you don't want to go on. It's, you know, whatever, it's misogynist, it's homophobic. Like whatever questions you're asking, like, why are the Padres get. Why do the Padres have to wear gay uniforms? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, as a gay person, I never said why I need the Padres to be gay. Why are the Padres gay?

[Guest 2]

How does the, what does the Padres uniform look like?

[Joe Rogan]

They're making them wear like gay things on the uniform.

[Guest 2]

Like pride stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like pride stuff. I don't think it's like a dildo on your head, but I think it's like pride stuff.

[Guest 2]

When they play in Dearborn, it's not

[Joe Rogan]

going to, it's not going to go well. But it's like, why is Citibank gay? Why is Chase. Why is Chase gay? What is it? Why does this help anyone? That a corporation is, is trans? Why is Chobani yogurt trans? What's the point of this? I don't understand. Does this get people healthcare? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy?

[Guest 2]

It makes some people happy.

[Joe Rogan]

It makes some people happy that I worry about because I just don't understand. And it makes mo More people angry. And that's why gay marriage has lost 11 points in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all cool with however people want to live their lives. A lot of most people are, but they're like, why is my bank gay? When did my bank come out as gay? And, like, I'm okay with it, but could somebody have told me, like, what are we doing? I don't. This doesn't make anybody's life better. It is the. It is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance, substance. It decreases it because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at the end of the day, it's like if I went to a restaurant, for example. I have no problem with Scientology on record, by the way. I like it. I like cults. I like cults. Children have too many rights. Put them on that boat, whatever you do, Sea Org. Make them work, work. Don't rape them, but make them swap the deck, whatever they do on that boat. And I don't have a problem with Scientology, and I don't like the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it after it got them. All these movie parts. I think that's fucked up, too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats. And I know you've had some of them on. Sorry, but I think they're rats. If you are, do something for 30 goddamn years and get rich and famous. Shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try to go on your new era is that you're going to dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich anyway. But if I went. So that's just an aside. It's just an aside. It's truly. But that's the way I feel.

[Guest 2]

Tom Cruise.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Hangs in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Dangs. And can you imagine how gross that

[Guest 2]

would be in there?

[Joe Rogan]

How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise went out and he's like, you know, Scientologist. Really be. Shut the up. Your top gun. Your top gun. This worked. Whether you're gay or not. They covered it up. They covered it up. You said you did something wrong. They said, we'll audit you, we'll put you in the box. You're fine. Give us some money. Live on this mansion. It's all fine. But if I went to my bank and it was just all Scientology for the month of June, I would go, this is a lot. Do you know What I mean, so to me, I think it's like this weird aesthetic politics that people have where they just. They need to pin ribbons on themselves and go, I'm a good person. I have no problem with the polyamorous orgy happening at Chase or whatever. Just shut up. This whole country right now is being torn apart by people who need to feel like they're good people and they need to project their life onto other people just to just live and let live. People disagree with you. That's. I have good friends I disagree with, like on fundamental things, foundational things. And I don't care. I don't care because I think they're funny. I think their lives are funny. They're bad people. Many of my friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them to other people I cared about. But they entertain me. And that used to be okay. Used to be able to go, I like that guy. He's entertaining. People go, he's crazy. He was in jail. You go, eh, you always minimize. You minimize that. You go, sure. He was maybe, I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone fell down the stairs. He's fun sometimes. And you should be able to do that. Not everyone's going to agree with you. Not everyone's going to agree with you. It's okay. You got a life is too short.

[Guest 2]

Not only that, you want that. You don't want everybody to agree with you.

[Guest 1]

No.

[Guest 2]

You want to live in a world of texture.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

You want to live in a world. You want to have the Joey Diaz's of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally.

[Guest 2]

You want to have some wild people out there.

[Joe Rogan]

They're fun and that. The problem with the generation under me is they're all very like this. And they all went to the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like, this orderly way of processing information. And they're all afraid to, like, they like say things. They say them. And it varies.

[Guest 2]

Well.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the. Well, the rape gang, they're gangs that are raping. Well, that's bad. But there's a lot of. I don't know, it's been proven and there's a lot of racism. Like, they just always. They're so afraid of having an independent thought because they've been programmed their entire lives. They don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives to believe a certain set of things.

[Guest 2]

Things.

[Joe Rogan]

And their self worth depends on those things mattering.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The school you went to, the internship you got, the corporation whose dick you have to suck sometimes literally to Stay in it. That is where they derive their self worth from. So their entire world crumbles if you challenge any of their ideas.

[Guest 2]

This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's 5G network. The perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at Visible plan. Start at just 25amonth. Or get our premium visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code Rogan. An exclusive offer for podcast listeners. Yeah, yeah. And it's. It's very confusing for young people, you know, because the whole thing acts like a religion, it acts like a cult, and you have to kind of. Of go along with every aspect of it or you'll be excommunicated. Yeah, you'll be kicked out. Just like you get kicked out of Scientology, you get kicked out.

[Joe Rogan]

And if your life is. And it's sterile and it's corporate and it's boring and. And that to me is my. One of my biggest problems with, with, with. With a lot of people that I speak to is that they seem genuinely afraid to. To use their mind for more than, you know, what the allotted functions are.

[Guest 2]

You mean afraid to express themselves?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're gonna entertain thoughts in their own head.

[Guest 2]

They want to avoid the punishment. Yeah, you know, it's a scary punishment. Have you seen this new Armie Hammer movie that is out now? No, but some vigilante movie.

[Joe Rogan]

He's great fan of him. Big fan of him, think he's great. Love everything he's doing. And, and I like it. I like you can't get canceled. People come right back.

[Guest 2]

Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, I mean, if this movie is going to bring him back, I should say. I mean, I. What did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls. He was texting them. He wants to eat.

[Joe Rogan]

I wanted to eat a couple of people, you know, is that a problem?

[Guest 2]

But is it real? Is it just crazy talk?

[Joe Rogan]

Even if it was, even if it was, is it consensual or not?

[Guest 2]

I mean, is it just saying wild things like what is is? Or listen, what is it?

[Joe Rogan]

He. His fantasy was that he wanted to be Accountable. That was his fantasy. That was his kink. Now, it was fake, but if he was in a situation where it could have been real, yeah, he would have tried a heart. If Armie Hammer had the money to arrange this, and some people in our country do. If he had the money to arrange it. He's trying to hold heart 1000%. And by the way, doesn't make me hate him, doesn't make me hit him. As long as a person was dead already, I'm against it. I would never do it. But if you told me this is how open I am to different people. If you told me Armie Hammer, there was a. Somebody died and there was a heart and Army Hammer tried a little bit of the heart, I'd go, hey, fine. Live and let live.

[Guest 2]

Do you know the story of General Boy Buck Naked?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Guest 2]

General Butt Naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't want to fuck this up. So let's be. Let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia, like, after slavery was abolished. Right. And I think Liberia has had a series of civil wars, like really crazy brutal ones. And in one of them, there was this guy named General Butt Naked. And Vice covered this guy. They interviewed him, and essentially now he's a priest, he's a preacher, and he gave his love to Jesus Christ and now he's saved. But back then.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, good for him.

[Guest 2]

He would talk about how he would go into war completely naked, and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army and cut their heart out and eat it for protection.

[Joe Rogan]

That's certainly an extreme way to do

[Guest 2]

it, but he did that. But then he found Jesus, so it's okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it is certainly better. And that's. Wouldn't the Mayans kind of do that? Or was that human sacrifice?

[Guest 2]

They did a lot of human sacrifice along with the Aztecs. What happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? I don't want to fuck this up. So. Liberia was established in 1822 by the American Colonization Society as a refuge for formerly enslaved and freeborn black Africans to relocate. Relocate to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over several decades, roughly roughly 16,000 freed slaves known as America Liberians migrated there. While envisioned as a sanctuary, the nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor and human exploitation. Yeah, interesting, huh? See if you can find that General Butt Naked guy, though. This. This guy. This whole story is crazy. Is this it? Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Geez. Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Formed his Own militia of several dozen. Fighting several dozen fighters known as the Naked Base Commandos or Butt Naked Brigade, most of whom were children as young as nine, operating under the Monrovia area with his unit. How do you say his name? Blahy blah blah. I'm not sure how to say his name. Became known as wearing only shoes and magic charms and eventually adopted the nom de gior General Butt Naked. His fighters followed his patterns of dress which in line with his distorted emulation of animist tradition believed he could believe could make one immune to bullets. To fund his wartime activities, he and secure a steady supply of drugs for his fighters, Belahi allegedly traded locally mined diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in exchange for guns and cocaine. Let's go. He conscripted many of his fighters and according to some accounts laced the food he fed them with cocaine. Along with showing them Jean Claude Van Damme films and to explaining that to them that killing people was a game. In an effort to uproot the fear of death. His fighters. He and his fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities. Although the exact extent of the crimes they committed have been subject to dispute. Frequently discussed the alleged atrocities he perpetrated which according to Balahi, including murders, cannibalism and human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the Naked Base commandos were ultimately responsible for 20,000 deaths.

[Guest 1]

Deaths.

[Guest 2]

A claim which has come under criticism. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he's alive now.

[Guest 2]

And he's religious preacher now. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Have him on. And I bet he's a lovely person. That's the thing.

[Guest 2]

You should have him on.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd. By the way, I would hear his open invitation. He's. I. Open invitation.

[Guest 2]

Look, he's got Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

He's led a full life. And there's something about someone who has led a full life. This man has led a full life. There he is. It looks like Beetlejuice.

[Guest 2]

General Butt naked. Wow. Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a.

[Guest 2]

Imagine seeing a dude naked was dong flopping, running at you with an AK47 with kids blood all over his face.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean that's, that's. I mean that's disturbing. But I imagine that there are very rich rich people in our country seeing that and paying good money to see it.

[Guest 2]

One of the things that we were talking about with before the show started, we were out in the hallway, we were talking about how there's a giant chunk of the world that's. Yeah. And what's coming into England, it's not like it's not unusual for other parts of the world. You know, if you go to Karachi That's. That's what life is. Chaos. Yeah, just chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles, and that's what's freaking people out.

[Joe Rogan]

We live in a very privileged, even. Even the poorest and the worst, which is obviously, you know, it's not to minimize their struggles. But if you go to any of those Third world countries, you're very aware of how privileged you are to live in a Western country. And, you know, it also makes a lot of sense why the people in those Third world countries would want to leave them and go to other places for opportunity. And I think immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on America, and it's had a lot of positive impacts on Britain and other countries. And it's not the idea that immigration is all bad or all good. It's the idea that, like, you have to do things a certain way because, you know, societies are fragile. This is what we're learning. We're learning that societies are more fragile. When I grew up, that wasn't a common thought, that our society was very fragile. We thought it was very strong. We actually thought nothing could break us. And then you look at a couple years of a pandemic, and most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look the same. Commerce has changed in a dramatic way. The Iran war proved that militarily. Our military is obviously brave. Men and women, they're amazing. But the changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult. It's hard to look at this Iran war as a victory. It's almost impossible. Unless you're completely dishonest. I don't think anyone is looking at it as a victory. So I think our vulnerability in, you know, to threats foreign and domestic, we are more aware of that now than we have ever been, how fragile societies are. So when you demographically change a society very quickly, which has never happened historically, it took wars, long periods of immigration. Now it's overnight. People have to adjust to a new cultural and sometimes economic reality. That's a very disruptive thing. And societies are very fragile. And you've got to be very careful about how you alter and change a society, because if you do it too quickly, there's a tremendous backlash. And you have to make sure that people want it changed, that people are on board with it. Not everyone. No one's on board with everything. But, like, if you went to a lot of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities, they would probably be very pro immigration. And because immigration has a lot of clear benefits to them, they get food delivered all the time. They have access to a wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring. A lot of them are awesome. A lot of great food, you know, so obviously. But again, if you went out into the suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies have stagnated, areas where maybe you've had scandals like this, grooming scandal and things like that. Sweden, whose crime rate has skyrocketed because you've brought in a lot of people from other places that are selling drugs. And not all of them obviously, but like if you look at that. And those people have a much more negative view of it because they don't connect the benefits of it because they don't, they don't feel them in their life. Right.

[Guest 2]

They were living pretty sweet.

[Joe Rogan]

They were living good. They were living pretty sweet. They're riding their bicycles and eating herring.

[Guest 2]

Safe out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty safe and doing what they wanted to do. And then, you know, you have this influx of people. You now have real poverty. You now have a lot of people brought in.

[Guest 2]

People that came from a war torn

[Joe Rogan]

part of the world war torn country.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And not everyone's going to be general but naked who becomes a Christian pastor and is probably lovely now. You probably see him in Heb. You're like, sweetheart ate a few people. Children maybe. But now it's better that guy. Not everyone's going to convert. Not everyone's going to be, you know, you're going to bring people in that are people are products to an extent of their environment. Like we all are. So the idea that like, like, you know, women have less rights in these countries. So the courtship rituals in these countries are different, the familial relations are different. That's just the way it is. So. And a lot of people there like that. So you know, why would, why would those beliefs and systems of change just because you happen to be living in iron Ireland.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or inherently get more respect than your wives, daughters, sisters, whatever. And I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the entire Islamic world. I think there's a lot of diversity in the Muslim world and there are lots of countries where there's arguments that women are safer than they are in America. But there's a lot of countries where that's not the case and women have far fewer rights. And it's pretty barbaric, Eric. And I don't know why those attitudes would change when they are just in a different physical location.

[Guest 2]

The spectacular bizarreness of it Is that the really kind left wing people who oppose toxic masculinity.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

Oppose this sort of society. That's that we're talking about this male dominated society. Like you're inviting in something that literally has that as its doctrine.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they think it can be tamed. So here's the thing with those people, they love a challenge. This is the I can fix him version of it. And to an extent, cultural attitudes do change over time. People do assimilate to certain practices. That's not a completely ridiculous thing to think. But they really believe that once all of these people come to these countries and see how great it is, is to be a childless 40 year old woman working in data entry at a large faceless corporation that's gay. On Pride Month, the corporation goes gay. And when they see how happy she or he or they is living in a society where you don't own anything. You know what's interesting about family, I just spoke to a comedian who went on a world tour and he was in India and he was talking about how poor people in India don't live on the street, they live in slums, which it's better, better. It's better to live in slums than the street because a lot of poor people are with their families and they won't cast their family out. Family in America almost means like nothing. Like we've, we've kind of, we've. Everything's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing. And like that's reinforced like I am in an argument with my father. His wife has different political views on certain things. Things. So we haven't spoken in a little bit. My cousin's getting married and I told, I have a therapist now that I've had for six months who I don't know if it's good or. I don't know if you ever know if a therapist is good or not. And I told my therapist, you know, my dad and his wife are going to be there and I haven't spoken to them, but I love my cousin and I want to support her marriage. I want to go. And my therapist goes, well, you don't have to go. My therapist goes, if you feel like it's going to make you happy, go. So therapy in our country is, has become a way to kind of enable like sick people to just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing. And it is reinforced how little family means because like doctors will tell you, yeah, fine, it, it's your father who cares. So it's basically a thing where like, I think when you go to these other countries and you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are in family and culture and tradition. And then we come from a country where like almost very little is. I'm not saying people don't have great families here, but like, you know, America is about you. And it's not about if you don't agree with your sister, fucker, if your mother disagrees with you, blocker. That's our country. And in other countries that's unheard of. Like, that's unheard of. Like, it doesn't happen. And you know, the comedian was explaining to me, like, in India there's, there's like a lot less of a drug problem in certain areas. And he would, and he was wondered why and he goes, well, people don't want to do drugs to like disgrace their family. Even poor people, even poor people be like, I don't want to be a drug addict. My family's going to think bad about that.

[Guest 1]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Whereas here there's people that'll shoot up in front of their parents. You know what I mean? Like, so it's just a different it. Like it's, it's culturally we've gotten to this point where people are having less children. Family means very little. So then what has replaced that? It's clearly the state and corporations and ideologies and ideology. So they've replaced families and communities.

[Guest 2]

Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most of the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

A giant percentage of the interactions you have with people on social media.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Guest 2]

This is incredible.

[Guest 1]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Guest 2]

Cbd.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. Interesting. I Thought it was something that.

[Guest 2]

No, it's a cbd.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought it was somebody gave you something that's like, it's. You're gonna about to transcend or something. Oh no, I thought you're like, it's dmt.

[Guest 2]

Imagine I'm bored with you.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm going somewhere else for a few minutes. What's the last time you've done dmt?

[Guest 2]

It's been a while.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. Should I do it? Should we all do it?

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna have a cigarette.

[Guest 2]

Are you thinking about it?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm thinking about maybe doing it.

[Guest 2]

A lot of people have asked me about it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's recently seems that spirit molecule thing years ago was an awesome documentary.

[Guest 2]

You know this Andrew Gallimore guy, do you know what he's doing? So he's, what is his exact discipline? Is he a psychologist? He's doing these things in a country where it's legal, where you fly there and you do a 5 hour DMT experience like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist and a writer. One of the most world's leading experts on psychedelics. Very interesting guy. And he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place? A lot of people I know do ayahuasca, that's an orally active version of dmt. This thing seems a little, little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better and they can keep you there for a long period of time. Elysius. Okay, so like, like the Elusinian mysteries from the, from ancient Greek. So this place, it's in Baquia, am I saying that right? In the Caribbean in March of 2026. And the aim is to study DMT X and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities. So one of the things that he's saying. So he was just on someone's podcast, maybe Danny Jones, he's been on this podcast as well. But one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place that you can act like it's. They're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT and some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a 15 minute experience, instead of that they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like there's actually a place that you can go and by regulating the dose somehow or another over A prolonged period of time that allows you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable. Okay, it's the basement. That's what it was. So it is AJ from the Y Files, which is an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. These guys are, they're trying to develop like, like maps of what this is. So they keep experiencing. They're charting out different entities that you experience, and there's a bunch of different ones that you experience. And one of them I've seen multiple times is Jesters.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

And these bizarre looking psychedelic jesters.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

I wonder if they were the original Jesters. I wonder if, like the reason why Jesters dress the way they do with these dangling things off their heads. Because this is what you experience in the psychedelic system state. And they're trying to recreate it. But what they have done, when I've done it, is mock me and make me realize that I'm taking myself seriously. Like one time there was like, like fractal. There's millions of them, I don't know how many. And they were all giving me the finger like this.

[Guest 1]

Wow.

[Guest 2]

And I was like, and it was, and I said, I go, oh, I took myself too seriously. They go, yes. And they're going like that. That's was like, there's little corrections of your psyche that take place during these experiences.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

It's very weird.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm scared to do it well. I'm scared I'll go in and it'll be fractals of J.D. vance yelling at George Soros. Yeah, it's all J.D. vance going, you need to learn about AI. No, I, I don't know. I, I, I find it fascinating.

[Guest 2]

Well, it is, it's definitely fascinating. Chase Hughes is just in the podcast and he did it somewhere in the United States where they did some 5 hour DMT experience. And he was, you know, it's like changes you. Whatever you are now is a totally different version of who you were before you had that experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

Which is like life, life overall over, you know, day after day, month after month, week after week, year after year, you become a different thing. You're a different person than you used to be.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Guest 2]

But sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience can make it abrupt and then you instantaneously become a different person.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so, it's so fascinating because we are Having all these conversations about aliens and entities. And I think it's connected and whatever.

[Guest 2]

I think it's connected.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there, that have been there all the time. You just lack the ability to see them. You're. You're tuning into it pharmacologically. Like there's. They're changing the chemistry of your brain. And it's not an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. DMT is produced by the human body. It's produced in the brain, it's produced in the liver.

[Joe Rogan]

The release is when you die.

[Guest 2]

Or maybe it's very poorly understood. It's. There's not. I mean, there's been some work done on it. One of the big ones was Rick Strassman. He wrote a book called dmt, the Spirit Molecule. And he did this. It was really kind of brilliant. He had an FDA study that he got, this is all like government approved study, right. On psychedelics under the guise he wants to find out how bad they are for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Guest 2]

So he told them, we want to study the dangers of these drugs and

[Joe Rogan]

that's why he got all the money.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. And so then he writes his book. Like, this shit's amazing. Smart. And by doing that and then studying, they studied the Cottonwood Research foundation, they're studying where DMT is coming from. So, like the thought was that it's coming from the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like literally a third eye in the middle of your head. But now they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't really. The human body produces it. That's the most important part. So the human body produces this, the most potent of all psychedelic chemicals that transports you into another world. Like, how weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place? Now, whether it's perceived or a hallucination, the experience is the same. So you can get hung up all the time on the. Oh, you're just seeing things that aren't there. These are visions. Okay, Maybe, maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real. Like it might not be something that you could put on a scale, it might not be something that you can measure with a ruler, but it doesn't mean it's not real. And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions that we have an understanding of all that exists with all that we know about bacteria and molecules and cells and the mitochondria and Then subatomic particles, like what there's the. Just the reality that we've observed is so fucking bizarre. The idea that we know what's real and what's not real. And you can say, oh, it's just a hallucination. This is the reality is you go to Tim Hortons, you get yourself a donut and you go to work.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Guest 2]

No, I think I have a feeling that what that experience is is you being able to see something that exists around you.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot of people are very hopeful. I wasn't one of them, per se. But this idea that, like, we were on the edge of some disclosure that the government was going to start telling us things about. About extraterrestrials and, like, remember that?

[Guest 2]

Well, the creepiest one going around was that they had brought together a bunch of pastors to talk to them about disclosure, because disclosure, disclosure is going to disrupt the fabric of society so greatly. And the. The question was, what were they going to tell them? And so what I have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about UFOs was that they were told that religion was created by aliens to keep people in line and that humans are the product of accelerated evolution. And they needed sort of an origin story that made sense with rules and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something to worship. Because without that, people are lost. And so that these aliens have created that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference. He's the president to say that.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, I got to talk to him.

[Joe Rogan]

To get on there and go, guys, listen, just. We don't know what's going on. The Straits are moved. They're open, they're closed, they're open. Clothes. Who gives a fuck anymore anyway? There is no God. You were all created by aliens and you were told a bunch of lies about it. Good luck. Keep going to work. Market's up, straight's open, market's up.

[Guest 2]

It's not even that there is no God. It's that the God story that you've been told is it's formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain to accept and understand, and that there's probably a true story to all of that. If you go back far enough and if you got the actual events that they were trying to lay out. There's too much of stuff that's in the Bible that, like, is that historically verifiable?

[Joe Rogan]

Totally. But do you think they didn't tell people that because they thought it would be too disruptive?

[Guest 2]

Well, here's the thing. There's a lot of stuff that, you know, when you talk about the Bible, right, you're talking about a series of stories, especially when you get to the Old Testament Testament, it's a series of stories. And some of these stories aren't in the Bible that were a part of the, like the religious canon of the day. And one of them is the Book of Enoch. So Anna Paulina Luna told me about, like, she's like, you really have to read that. And I was like, okay. Like, she was so adamant about him. Like, okay, let me read it. So I listened to on tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to do it. I'm listening to audiobook. It's 195 degrees, okay? I'm sweating my balls off. I'm dying in there. And I'm listening to this fucking crazy account that is in the same Dead Sea Scrolls as they found the Book of Isaiah, the same collection of these religious texts. And it's all about how the watchers came down and mated with the daughters of men and chose them as wives and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim, which were giants that ruled the earth. Like this is in the Bible. They talk about the Nephilim limb in the Bible. They talk about Enoch. Like he's referenced in the Bible.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Guest 2]

But the Book of Enoch, the stories that are in the Book of Enoch are bananas. Like, completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it didn't align with the Torah, the Torah, the Talmud, I forget which one. But they decided, like this, this, this contradicts some of the stories that are in other religious texts. So we're going to keep that one out. Interesting, because it was a collection of these things that's all together.

[Joe Rogan]

Who were these rabbis, exactly?

[Guest 2]

Well, I mean, who are all these people that wrote these things down? You know, I have this bit where I read out of the Book of Ezekiel and there's like the hilarious parts of the Book of Ezekiel and then there's also parts that sound like it's. They're talking about a ufo, like these profound experiences and then other things. We're talking about a prostitute. It's very funny. Right, but this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations of stories written down, passed down generation to generation, written largely intact. Once it was an original piece. So, like they found the Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it's identical to the Book of Isaiah that is a thousand years newer. So that was older than the Book of Isaiah that they had by a thousand years, the oldest one they ever found. And it was verbatim.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So once they got these stories down, they. They wrote them over and over and over again. And like, priests would learn to do that and monks would learn to do that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over and over again as part of the practice.

[Joe Rogan]

And someone knows some. In some subterranean part of the government, they know something or many things that they're not going to tell people because it would be disturbing or.

[Guest 2]

This was the story about Jimmy Carter. Now the story about Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in 1969 he had some sort of very strange UFO experience that was very real to him. Very bizarre. Saw something.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And part of his thing was once he gets into office, he wants to tell people. The story is that he was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality of the UFO experience, like what it. What it really is. And he was crying that he wept openly. So what could that mean? Like, what would that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he kind of. He. Yeah, kind of a.

[Guest 2]

He was a.

[Guest 1]

A.

[Joe Rogan]

And this Habitat for Humanity I never understood. I thought it was.

[Guest 2]

I think he's a genuinely kidding, genuinely good person.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course he was.

[Guest 2]

He built houses, became a president.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

He was never enriched himself, but he

[Joe Rogan]

was also, if you read books about him, he was kind of an operator too.

[Guest 2]

Uhhuh.

[Joe Rogan]

He was kind of. He was into the peanut stuff, right? He was a peanut farmer or something. Yeah, you know, he was. Nobody gets to be the. Yeah, he was sweeter. Sweetest, sweetest.

[Guest 2]

One of the sweetest of all.

[Joe Rogan]

He was still the president, but. So they. Who is doing this? Explaining. It's just the men and black people from the depths of Raven Rock or Cheyenne military or wherever the hell they are.

[Guest 2]

What they could be doing is covering up years of lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these black ops programs. Programs. And the way they can get out of jail. Because if they go and. Yeah, if they go and tell the government, oh yeah, by the way, we lied to Congress for 50 years. There's no solid, verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried. Of course, there's no solid.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, stop being a narc.

[Guest 2]

He's a narc. He said, because the Carter cried of a UFO story is based on second or third hand anecdotes. Those are my favorite and is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources. Forces. I think it's true. I think it's true about his 1969 sighting. Carter described seeing A strange light. But did not mention crying or being emotionally shattered by it. No, but I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure. Cried after UFO briefing.

[Joe Rogan]

You've got to live with that knowledge. So he's just got to go around now.

[Guest 2]

And Richard Dolan, who's by far one of the best guys to read about, about UFOs and UAPs, very balanced guy and like very evidence based guy. He, he includes a lot of crazy stories, but he never goes along with them. Yeah, but Richard Dolan's really good. He's got a bunch, a bunch of books. So I don't know if it's true.

[Joe Rogan]

Is the Jake Barber guy real?

[Guest 2]

He's the guy that said that he actually had to move a ufo, right? With a helicopter?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

I haven't talked to him.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just watching it. But it's too long. These UFO guys, it's all three or four out. Like it's not.

[Guest 2]

Jesse Michaels does a lot of very in depth ones with these gu. But the good thing about that is if someone's like really full of shit after a couple of hours, you kind of say you see tendencies that maybe they're, they exaggerate or make things up or they leave stuff out or whatever it is.

[Joe Rogan]

But every act of change begins with a neighbor, with someone saying, we take

[Guest 2]

care of each other here.

[Joe Rogan]

In food banks and food pantries, neighbors pack fresh food and dignity into every box, moving food from farms to families through Feeding America's nationwide network. So when that box reaches a home, it carries more than food. It carries a promise that together we can end hunger. Feeding America led by neighbors Give now to end [e-mail] Something's going on, right?

[Guest 2]

There's something that people keep seeing. There's enough radar information, there's enough video that doesn't make any sense.

[Joe Rogan]

We never found out what those drones were.

[Guest 2]

Remember that?

[Joe Rogan]

They're all around the bases in New Jersey and stuff like that.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, people were scared to fly.

[Joe Rogan]

People say it's a domestic, it was domestic, it was us. That's what I've heard. But then, you know, could be China,

[Guest 2]

could be China flexing and pulling their dick out, right? Check out what we have, motherfuckers. Who knows?

[Joe Rogan]

Who knows?

[Guest 2]

But there was a lot of things that those things were doing that we don't know that they can do. One of the things like they were flying for hours at a time and so what's the Fuel source, because it's not batteries. Downed. US Pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Guest 2]

Well, they're probably getting drones from, you know, China, China, Russia. So the highest end of high end government drones that we don't know about. Who knows what those fucking things can do. Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with smaller drones below the bigger drones, like legs. One of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told C. Cnn Real Alien. Another source told CNN the pilot described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air. Holy. When did this happen?

[Guest 1]

13 hours ago this was posted.

[Guest 2]

So 13 hours ago, this F1, F15 got down when, I mean, he's talking

[Guest 1]

and they're reporting it, so I don't

[Guest 2]

know the actual bro. How nuts is that? They got taken out by alien drones in April. Whoa. So he ejected from the aircraft, the Iranian drones hovering in the air, moving as one in a formation that resembled a jellyfish. Fuck, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, so there is a chance that it is R. It's darpa. And it's all of these countries that are, you know, you have these black projects, they have these secret defense projects, and they're saying it's extraterrestrial.

[Guest 2]

I think if I was running an undercover operation for as many years as these people probably have been doing, and with. Eric Weinstein thinks. He thinks it's like a separate branch of physics. He said he thinks there's a bunch of physicists.

[Guest 1]

This is the story of the. We went and did the crazy invasion to get these guys back.

[Guest 2]

Oh, this is those guys.

[Guest 1]

Pilots.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. Oh, this is how they got taken out. Oh, wow.

[Guest 1]

This opens up a lot more questions.

[Guest 2]

Wow, wow, wow. Right, right. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest 1]

They use the heart. The heartbeat thing, that was the whole whole.

[Guest 2]

Right, that's what they said.

[Joe Rogan]

What was it?

[Guest 2]

So the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat, his. His very unique heartbeat in the mountains where he was hiding.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Guest 2]

And everybody was like, well, that's. I don't know. I don't know. And it's based on some sort of quantum something or another. What is it called again?

[Guest 1]

And then the White House said, did you see that today they posted something on their. That they're going to announce them about quantum computing.

[Guest 2]

Oh, Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think that God's about.

[Guest 1]

They were making a joke about Q with it. That's sort of why I asked if you guys had seen that.

[Guest 2]

What's the joke about Q? Like, I'll find the post Okay. I think they have drones that move like UFOs. I think for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

I, I, where are they getting this technology?

[Guest 2]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think it's possible extraterrestrials are giving us technology?

[Guest 2]

It is possible. So the reason White House will be Q posting today was they're just trolling and having fun all the way down.

[Guest 1]

And it says, and by Q we mean quantum.

[Guest 2]

Stay tuned. Look how much they're trolling a lot of space.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the most committed people I've ever encountered.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, they're fun.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never encountered people who are so committed to anything.

[Guest 2]

The UFO people are close.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure. I mean, the Cube People are 10 years in going, trust the plan. It's coming, coming. And you go, guys. It's unbelievable how dedicated they are to the plan and that it's still morphing and going in different directions. And the data centers are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine. They're not data centers. They're still going. And that level of commitment is what America is about. It's about that, it's about not giving up. Yeah, don't give up. Don't give up. You're too deep in to give up. My advice to anyone in that movement, stay in it. Because there's nothing good on the outside. Reality is not good. Stay in that movement. Take it as far as you can.

[Guest 2]

What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing?

[Joe Rogan]

No idea.

[Guest 2]

What was the quantum heartbeat thing? What was that thing called? How do they locate that, that gentleman?

[Guest 1]

I don't remember them never coming out and saying, because people were speculating that, like, how could you even do it? I think right on the podcast the next day, I was like, that's not how quantum stuff works.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

But I don't know if they know that for sure. So they don't really know what the technology is. But what was the technology that the government described? Because they described it as very bizarre and there was a name for it that involved something quantum. And they said that somehow or another they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

Unique heartbeat from, I think was like, was it 70 or 700 miles away?

[Guest 1]

Seventh, this was posted on the New York Post.

[Guest 2]

Secret never before use CIA tool that helps find airmen downed in Iran. If your heart is beating, we will find you.

[Guest 1]

Wow.

[Guest 2]

So this is it. Long range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat that pairs with the data data, pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise. And so how what is the range on this stuff? Because they were saying 40 miles.

[Guest 1]

I think they found this guy is what the claim was.

[Guest 2]

But didn't they say the range is up to like 70 miles, something along those lines?

[Joe Rogan]

So I don't know how long have they had this? Right?

[Guest 2]

Is it even real? Yeah, but this is the thing. It's like, is it real? Like. So this is a post that's in the New York Post. And I think it was from. Did someone release this as a statement? Like, what did they do to say they did it? The confirmation.

[Guest 1]

Okay, so Saturday morning, their CIA director talking about. Yeah, there you go. CIA missing America from 40 miles away. That was unclear.

[Guest 2]

Okay.

[Guest 1]

That's Trump saying that. Not. So these are two different or three different speeches all going in together. I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference.

[Guest 2]

So here's the other. The thing. If that technology doesn't exist, right. And they just made that up to cover for technology that does exist. So maybe there's technology that does exist. That some sort of large scale satellite imagery of the Earth, it gets down to like a grain of sand and they can find anybody anywhere. They can just doubt. Find out where the plane is, scan the area. Bam. There he is.

[Joe Rogan]

There he is.

[Guest 2]

Okay, we don't want to say we have this. What are we do. Going to. To say. Let's say we have quantum heart rate magnetometry. Yeah, we can find. We can find.

[Joe Rogan]

We couldn't find Ghislaine Maxwell in New Hampshire when that came out.

[Guest 1]

People were asking, yeah, why couldn't you use.

[Joe Rogan]

She was in New Hampshire. Yeah. Where is. You know, whatever.

[Guest 2]

Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented.

[Joe Rogan]

That's also possible.

[Guest 1]

Well, they're still missing people. Guthrie's missing still. Right. I don't just. We shouldn't have missing people then if that technology exists. Exist.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a weird thing. And my heart goes out to her, but that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, that's a weird one. And didn't they like, they looked at family members as suspects, Right?

[Joe Rogan]

I think they looked at family members. Is she back? And I think she's back to work in the story.

[Guest 1]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

And isn't she back to work?

[Guest 1]

I don't know.

[Guest 2]

What did you say there's a break in the story?

[Guest 1]

No, I. I think the story got updated recently. Yeah, there's something about a note, Ransom note. Claim Nancy Guthrie died. Died after abduction. Well.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's a. Well, you're not going to get ransom.

[Guest 1]

Then second ransom. No claim she died. Yeah, this is.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's. That's a horrible ransom note.

[Guest 2]

So someone posted a note saying that she died. I want money. It's a ransom note that says she died.

[Joe Rogan]

What about. What if it's she died? Just give us reading headlines. What if it's she. We're sorry she died. Just give us what you want. It's not a. It's not a specific amount of money. It's just give what you feel is.

[Guest 1]

Is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like church. Give what you can. We're sorry she passed away. Give what you can. We're not going to say a specific amount of money.

[Guest 2]

So the note sent days after the disappearance. Oh, so this is not new.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Guest 2]

Indicated she had died, but contained no request for payment for the release of her body. Three people familiar with the matter said, though the existence of the note was known, the specific contents had not been previously disclosed. So it's just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she was dead.

[Guest 1]

Dead.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like if someone's involved that knew them. I mean, I hate to think that, but it does feel like it.

[Guest 2]

What was the. Was there a request for money? What was the first request originally?

[Guest 1]

Yeah, I think it was a bunch of bitcoin or something they wanted.

[Guest 2]

What it. Well, let's find out what it was.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a. It's a horrible thing, obviously.

[Guest 2]

I'd like to know, but it does

[Joe Rogan]

seem like, I mean, say, inside job.

[Guest 2]

Well, someone, certainly. Okay, the reality.

[Joe Rogan]

Family's involved. Maybe not.

[Guest 1]

I don't know. So this is all bringing up stuff about Reba.

[Guest 2]

Ask AI. Press AI mode. You can't do it. Okay, put it in there. Put it in. Perplexity. How much do you think they asked for? I bet 10 million. Million?

[Joe Rogan]

10 million for mom?

[Guest 2]

5.

[Joe Rogan]

5.

[Guest 2]

Let's see.

[Joe Rogan]

10's a lot.

[Guest 2]

Multi million dollar payments in cryptocurrency, mostly bitcoin, with amounts ranging from about 4 to 6 million. And set deadlines, sometimes with escalating or else consequences.

[Joe Rogan]

Terrible. This is. This is insane. But think about it. Is that random? I guess it could be.

[Guest 2]

It could be. But there was.

[Guest 1]

Was.

[Guest 2]

There was some concern that it was a family member.

[Joe Rogan]

He was concerned that it was something that a family member did this.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Who knows?

[Joe Rogan]

It's sick.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. The bitcoin thing's weird, too. Like you could transfer money in bitcoin.

[Joe Rogan]

There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast, and it was a, like a Mem Quinn thing. And that was like a platform, whatever. And then I was like, but their like identities were shrouded and people knew who they were, but they were also very secretive because they didn't want to get kidnapped. Kidnapped. And they split their time between Dubai and London. And caa, you know, came to me and they were like, hey, they want to give you a bunch of money. And I go, what are they? And CA is like, well, you know, it's crypto, you know, they don't, you know, I mean, demons from hell, no offense, love my people, but they were. I was like, I got to meet them. I got to meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and like, ask them what their company does, everything like that. And then immediately, once I requested that, they said, okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and talk to you about the company. I said, I can't, I need to know. Like, I know, like, you know, whatever. They pulled the offer and wouldn't meet.

[Guest 2]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's all these shit. Because by the way, here's a great way to someone is to advertise on their show and then go, by the way, the money came from Russia.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you didn't even know that.

[Guest 2]

Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right wing.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure it happened.

[Guest 2]

They're part of some.

[Joe Rogan]

It's hard to know who knew what. But like, it's great. What a great way to just make people appear compromised. So when somebody, when you go, where's this money coming from? Maybe it's an intelligence agency, maybe it's ours, maybe it's someone else. But you start going like, all right, I need to sit down with you, have dinner with you. It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who, like if these guys were legit or not. But the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that something was up. Also a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing young shows, long form shows for YouTube creators, creators told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super PACs because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically. And not only Democrat Super PACs, but like Super PACs that are associated with certain issues and things like that. So what they're going to start doing is like getting behind content and, you know, funding longer form things on social media platforms and things like YouTube or whatever. And then those companies that are kind of in the background of this will then say, oh, we have an audience of 5 or 10 million people watching this. We can, we can put political ads on it and whatever else. So, I mean, this is kind of. I think the future is going to be all. Many things like this.

[Guest 2]

And when you can do it through something like crypto, like, if you can hide your identity, like, who knows if it's even a real company, it could be a company designed entirely just for influence. Influence.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. It's very questionable. You have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world, and, you know, you have the world of international crime syndicates. Like, they all are live in that world. And I'm not saying people that are into crypto are inherently suspect in any way. Obviously they're not. But there is a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligence stuff in the crypto.

[Guest 2]

It's like, obviously, clearly, when, whenever there's money, if the amount of money that you can make in crypto is bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right? So whenever there's money in drugs, right, like this is Iran Contra, whether there's money in anything, they. They find a way to get a part of that money.

[Joe Rogan]

I think what concerns people partially about the. This administration is some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned with some of the coins and some of the, you know, crypto.

[Guest 2]

Well, Melania coin's legit.

[Joe Rogan]

That one I love. But the rest I worry. No, but I think, I think it's a fair concern.

[Guest 2]

It is. Because, yes, it's legal, but it's like, should it be?

[Joe Rogan]

Is it? Should it be? Should it be it? Should it be? For sure.

[Guest 2]

I mean, there's some freedom to you being able to make your own coin and back it with money, I guess. But it's also a way that you could launder money and it's also where you could pay people off for stuff

[Joe Rogan]

and do people into spending their money.

[Guest 2]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I think a lot of people.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that poor girl.

[Guest 2]

Huh? That poor girl. They got her.

[Joe Rogan]

They got her.

[Guest 2]

They got her.

[Joe Rogan]

They got her. I hope she did well on that.

[Guest 2]

I bet she didn't really. Probably not. Certainly in terms of what she could be doing. Sad, because as soon as they get mad at you for something like that, well, then they don't like you anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

She did the wrong thing and. And it's sad. No, I also.

[Guest 2]

22 or something.

[Joe Rogan]

I also don't know if she was going to be Meryl Streep, but it

[Guest 2]

was Listen, outside girl makes more money than anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

It's true. But I think it could have gone on longer than what a. What a society we live in. I mean, I just. That just hit me. That just, like, hit my brain that she makes more money than anybody.

[Guest 1]

And it's true.

[Guest 2]

I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card being the end of maga. Yeah. And that. The moment when that guy said, michelle Obama's a man. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's just the greatest thing for. If you're a deep, deep hardcore. And I don't even mean the, like, the America first principles. I just mean, like, you're along for the ride, you're here for the part. There's a lot of maggot people that I'm friends with that are deep. They're not political. They're along for the part. They like to party.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

They want fun. Florida, it's 4pm they're drunk. You know what I mean? And they're. They're in for the fun, and it's fun. They have, like. They have, like, boat shows and regattas where, like, a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags when they're watching that UFC event in their house in St. Augustine or Tampa or fucking West Palm, whatever it is. And that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man. It's the culmination of things that. They're not going to beat that. It's hard to beat that. There were houses that cheered when that happened. 100%.

[Guest 2]

How many do you think? Over the whole country.

[Joe Rogan]

It was audible in Florida. Florida, I know. For sure was audible for sure. People cheered. And it was like, listen, outside bars. Yeah. It was a party. The fights were good. You know, it's like, to me, it's like there's this. There's this. Every cultural thing has a moment where it just explodes and it's over after that. You know, it's like Hunter Thompson has that famous quote about it where he was part of this thing. And then it just. You know, we saw it happen with, like, celebrity culture, a lot of it. Like, that Imagine video during COVID was kind of the end of that. Like, people are like, shut up.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like really? It was like they did that video and they didn't know it at the time, but people really started to turn on them. They're like, just shut up.

[Guest 2]

There was the other one, the BLM one.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally. All of them, same kind of, sorry to be white or whatever.

[Guest 2]

It was same shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Same kind of thing. People just said, okay, enough of this. And I do think that every movement just gets to a point where you've done all you can do. You've done all you can do. And when you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight on the White House lawn and you're asked if you have anything to say and you scream, michelle Obama's a man, that is. The clock has struck midnight. That's that. I mean, I don't know what else you could do.

[Guest 2]

That guy, Josh Hokut.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

You know, that's like. He's got a shtick. Like he's got a character, the Incredible Hulk. And so he's basically like a pro wrestling bad guy who also is a really good fighter.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So there's a real problem there.

[Joe Rogan]

What should have happened? Yeah. And he says crazy, crazy stuff.

[Guest 2]

Well, they probably, in retrospect, if they wanted to avoid this, probably shouldn't have had him fight on the White House lawn.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Guest 2]

Because if he said that at the T Mobile arena or in Madison Square Garden. Outrageous, but not that big a deal.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's the. Yeah, but here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should have made an undertaker like entrance. Let's go in.

[Guest 2]

All of a sudden the lights go, the lights dim and then the light goes on on the balcony. Obama, she comes on a cord that she flies over.

[Joe Rogan]

If Michelle Obama had made an undertaker like entrance and got in the stage and then body slammed, like, can you imagine? Unbelievable.

[Guest 2]

That would have been amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

The country just exists for ratings now anyway. It's all it exists for. It's just. That's all we're doing anymore. That would have been unbelievable. Here it is.

[Guest 1]

Is this is what you guys are, I think, resources.

[Guest 2]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

She's in the ceiling the entire time. Michelle Obama comes down. You see Trump. Trump starts doing his dance. He's doing his Trump dance. Michelle Obama comes down. She's got a cape, bro.

[Guest 2]

It would be the end.

[Joe Rogan]

It would have been un fucking believable. And she would have been president next. She would have been president next. With no election. No election. Vance is going to stand up to that. That she should have descended from the rafters in a cape, fought that guy, you know, you know, choreographed body slam him. It's fun. Fake. And then she does an uppercut and then he's on a. On a cord and he sails out. Unbelievable. Missed opportunity. Missed opportunity. Because why not? Why not have some fun?

[Guest 2]

Yeah, why not? Why not have a little fun there,

[Guest 1]

they said, or some wrestling event there. They could, they could still pull it off.

[Joe Rogan]

They could do it. And if she's smart, she hears this and she's on her phone with her people. Don't sue them. They were going to sue him. They thought about suing him. It's like, hu. Stop with the suing all the time in this country.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Do something fun. I agree. Too much, suit.

[Guest 2]

Well, there's. There is this moment where the UFC thing was going on where, like, the planes flew overhead, where it just, like. I'm like, is this even real?

[Joe Rogan]

It's. It was. It was. It was wild. It's such an amazing spectacle. It's hard to top.

[Guest 2]

It was pretty amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I mean.

[Guest 2]

As a total piece of entertainment. Of course, it was also the only UFC card in the history of the. The sport where every fight was an knockout.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. This was the. That. This is senior prom. Everyone's got to go to college next year. And, you know, wherever they go, this is it. This is a moment after senior prom or, you know, some party that you have seen your, you know, the summer, and you're looking around at all your friends. You're high and drunk, and you're looking around and you. And if you're smart, most people, a lot of them have this thought. They go, this is never going to be like this again.

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

This will never be like this again. We'll never be able to get together on the White House lawn and do motocross and watch UFC and call Michelle Obama a man. It started when he walked down the escalator. We went through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot. Who knows who did it? No one knows. No one seems to care. Whatever. Fine. Moving on. But, you know, he's. He's, you know, he's gone through many iterations. He's been out, he's been in. It's just the most. It's the most interesting story, really, in recent human history, and this is the party to throw. And it's wild because we're not going to win the Iran war. We're not going to win the Iran war. It seems very clear that it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out with a decisive victory. So instead of that, we did this.

[Guest 2]

How is there no more open investigation into the assassination attempt? What happened there? Because that's where Kent said that he was told to stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Honestly. Done. Do you know who you put in charge of it? If you want it, Truly, and I'm being very serious, if you want an honest investigation, put Israel in charge. Joe, if you Want. If you want it done right, have them do it. That's all I'm saying. Have them do it. Just have them do it.

[Guest 2]

I would trust think they should look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as well.

[Joe Rogan]

I would trust their conclusions. Have them do it. That would be my thought. Just, just a fun thought.

[Guest 2]

There's a lot of people that think it was a hoax and that it was a setup.

[Joe Rogan]

And if it was, I've said on my show, just tell us how you did it cuz that's fun too. It's fun.

[Guest 2]

Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally and Butler sued the United States. Two men who were wounded in the shooting. They're suing. James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot during attempted assassination of Trump. Their attorneys filed federal lawsuits against the United States for their life altering physical and emotional injuries claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was shot in the stomach while Copenhager was shot twice.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean the suing ever end

[Guest 2]

in this country but there's an argument that was negative negligence.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember that woman Kim Cheadle who was in charge and then they put her back in a bunker.

[Guest 2]

Who?

[Joe Rogan]

She was in charge of the Secret Service, Right?

[Guest 2]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

She was like Dick Cheney's assistant.

[Guest 1]

The rope was too sloped or something.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. The roof was too sloped.

[Joe Rogan]

But they shot the guy and he didn't even fall. He didn't roll off the roof like the whole thing.

[Guest 2]

Well, the slope of the roof that they were on was steeper.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's a faked assassination attempt, I don't care. I want to know how it was done. And so does the rest of America. Produce a special where Barry Weiss interviews Donald Trump about how they faked the assassination attempt. Put it on CBS where she's doing. And she's taking over CNN now. So I think. And she's now isolated herself on the sixth floor of CNN CBS where she can no longer see the staff and they cannot approach her and true. That is correct. And she is guarded by guards.

[Guest 2]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Where'd you hear this?

[Joe Rogan]

This is in the news. She is, she's in a bunker. Like Dick chaining the Piak during 9 11. Except it's Barry Weiss at CNN surrounded by guards and no one can. And it's like, it's, it's like a militarized zone. She's in a militarized out.

[Guest 2]

Barry in the bunker and Ellison at the gates.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Is this real?

[Joe Rogan]

She's unbelievable by the way. I like her More now. And she hates me, and that's sad.

[Guest 2]

Why she hate you?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, I've said things, but here's the thing. I like her more now than ever.

[Guest 2]

Did she start hating you after your hilarious impression?

[Joe Rogan]

I. She's. She's. She's turned on me. She turned on me a while ago.

[Guest 2]

It turned on you how?

[Joe Rogan]

She texted me and was like, you're part of a world in which people are anti Semitic. And I'm like, well, am I? What am I? What. What am I doing? And she's like, you're part of this thing. And I was like, well, that's like, what am I? Why am I. What is this Guilt by association? I don't like this part of a

[Guest 2]

thing that's anti Semitic.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like you're part of a cultural space of anti Semitism. And.

[Guest 2]

And I'm like, so she connecting you to anti Semite?

[Joe Rogan]

She's connecting me to all these different people. Because if the thing that she hated and the thing that she crusaded against was this whole idea that, like, she's applying the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is like, if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody, you endorse every one of their views, or if you question something like Israel, you hate Israel, or you hate Jewish people, which is insane. Insane.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And that was. I thought she was the one who was like, we should have nuance on the trans issue. What happened to that?

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

What happened to being able to question gender, ideology and all these things? Like, why aren't we. Where's the nuance? Where's the. Why are we holding space for nuance?

[Guest 2]

Bear CBS News boss Barry Weiss poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah, this is what he just said, right? Yeah, I saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

But she's living her best life, as people would say. This is what she was meant to do. And when someone steps into their truck truth, I support them. And she has stepped into her truth. She's exactly where she should be, in a bunker guarded by the military while she systematically destroys cbs. She's stepping into her truth. This is what she was there. She was put there to destroy it. She was obviously put there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make it work. She put there to just destroy it. And she's doing it.

[Guest 2]

Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that they were going to gonna get?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think they. I think they said, listen, let's just put her in there and see what happens, because who cares like the. But it's like these legacy media institutions are dying. They're not turning around. No one's going back to watching the evening news. And they know that these are billionaires, not idiots. The Ellisons are not dumb. They don't. They said, let's have a little fun while this thing goes.

[Guest 2]

It says she took the helm of the struggling organization last month with a mandate to shake it up following David Ellison led Skydance takeover of CBS parent company Paramount in 2024. Paramount Skydance bought Weiss online outlet the Free Press for a cool 150 million as she became editor in chief of CBS News. Yeah, it's a lot of money for the Free Press.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, no, because if you look at the podcast ratings, it was. It was you. And then she was number one two.

[Guest 1]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's why. No, she would get 7,000 YouTube views. And it seems high. It certainly seems like a lot. But when you take into account her

[Guest 2]

cultural impact, it's interesting because when it came to her pushing against WOKE ideology that infected the New York Times, she seemed really reasonable. And there's this very famous clip of her talking to Brian stuff shelter where she talks about the world gone crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember that?

[Guest 2]

The world gone mad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Well, she's like very brilliantly lays out why, if this is what you're saying, when people are saying that silence is violence and not actual violence is violence. The world's gone mad. And she lays these all out. It's so brilliant.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's gotta be room for nuance. Like, October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this.

[Guest 1]

However.

[Joe Rogan]

However, you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not, number one, perpetrate. You could call it. I call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want. Doesn't matter. It's a campaign of mass murder where a lot of people have died, civilians have died, many children have died, people that are innocent have died. And they're starting to do something similar in southern Lebanon. And they're now talking about Turkey. Turkey going. By the way, Turkey also is a. Turkey is a NATO fucking country. So the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli government or Israel or our relationship with Israel or the money makes you anti Semitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender. She fought against that Manichean good and evil, black and white. She fought against it. And she was right. She was correct to say you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas and when should they be able to make a determination about how they want to live their life? And like, when is it appropriate for people to call, you know, to designate between a protest and a legit and a riot and the silence is violence and all of that stuff. She had really pretty logical opinions on all that stuff. But when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue.

[Guest 2]

No, she is all in for Israel and that's fine.

[Joe Rogan]

That's her choice. And I get it. But it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, the President's great because we're going into Iran because the President's great, he's the greatest leader of all time. And then he goes, well, this didn't work out like we thought. We're going to make a deal and we're going to try to, you know. And then Mark Levin goes, this is a failure. This is a blunder. This is a strategic thing. And it's like, for. Who is it for us? It's not a failure. Like, it's clearly a failure for us, but like, it seems like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations, revolution regionally, globally, but certainly regionally. So who's it a failure for? And that's a fair question. And I think it's like there's, you've got to be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered. As someone who's like a conspiracy mongering anti Semite, which is like very. There's a group of people that are. But a lot of people just want sanity. And this is not, this is not sane.

[Guest 2]

And just like you were talking about with the banks forcing that shit down people's throats that it's gonna make them. Yeah, yes, Same thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody understands blowback like the CIA turned blowback. When you like go into a country, kill everyone and they go, you like us, right? They go, no, not really. We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall, we're gonna build them all. They go, no, we're gonna, we're gonna bomb you and try to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you, you shut down conversations and, and, and in order to shut people up, you got to pay them or kill them. That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're going to talk. They're in. If you don't. If you limit that, they're going to get angrier, and the blowback is going to be intense.

[Guest 2]

Well said.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. I mean, that's entirely accurate.

[Joe Rogan]

CBS News. I'll go on. That's the thing. I have no beef with her. I like her. I like that she's in a bunker. I will go on to that show. I'm there.

[Guest 2]

Things that I thought was hilarious. It was some fake story was that they were going to bring me on for 60 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone keeps saying that. I texted you about it. I'm like, are you doing 60 Minutes? I thought that was wild, but why not? I mean, what. You know, half the staff has left one of that guy. That guy Bill Pelly just got out.

[Guest 2]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she got out. And then she's got that Dokopol, whatever his name is in the evening news crying like a psychopath.

[Guest 2]

Who's that?

[Joe Rogan]

He's the guy who does the CBS Evening News and his first. His first episode. He's in Miami and he's crying. Can you get that up? It's unbelievable. He's the anchor of the news.

[Guest 2]

Why is he crying?

[Joe Rogan]

He's crying because he's. He starts talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable. This is the guy who was selected to. To run the CBS Evening News, to be the anchor of the CBS Evening News. And, like, he does this thing where he's in Miami and they take him out of the chair because they want to start. She's shaking it up, Barry. Shaking it up. So instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to, like, visit his childhood places. And he starts sobbing in. I forget it was like, a restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it didn't have him crying.

[Guest 1]

Crying for some reason. It was just talking.

[Joe Rogan]

He's crying in, like, a restaurant or he start. He gets, like, choked up, and it's deeply uncomfortable, and it's really weird. And he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood. It's, like, unbelievable.

[Guest 2]

This is the guy embarrassing. First day. CBS TV News. Savage by staff. It's state tv. Whoa. A conversation with one of his handlers during an ad break. Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony. How do you say his name? Doc Dopol. Do capo. We did it at Barry's request and because CBS News did something right on this.

[Joe Rogan]

I wish you had him crying. She had him in his. In that restaurant.

[Guest 2]

So his. Marco. Marco Rubio's moment. Is what he's talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he's in Miami and in Dokapo. I mean, yeah, he's. This is psychotic. If the world.

[Guest 2]

What? So he just keeps crying?

[Guest 1]

It wasn't showing the video.

[Guest 2]

Maybe that's his thing, you know, like George Hamilton was tan all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

He's crying. He's talking about. Yeah, look at this, look at that. This is the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

[Guest 2]

So he's being interviewed.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Can we listen to this?

[Guest 1]

I'm trying to. I can't. Facebook's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Guest 1]

It doesn't let me control the player.

[Guest 2]

Goes there, it goes to show up.

[Joe Rogan]

We get a second here.

[Guest 2]

Take it from the beginning. So you know what is crying about?

[Guest 1]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

It makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean anything would catch. You know, This is your favorite place in the world. Why, why South Florida and Miami?

[Guest 1]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

It makes me emotional. It's so funny.

[Guest 1]

I didn't mean.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't think it would catch you. Cuz you only have one childhood, right?

[Guest 1]

So

[Joe Rogan]

let me get a second here, okay? I can relate.

[Guest 1]

This is home.

[Joe Rogan]

People will to.

[Guest 1]

To.

[Joe Rogan]

To help people understand why I have such a revolution. Florida is where I grew up. We didn't get a lot of sleep. So my grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins. And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood.

[Guest 2]

But we left

[Joe Rogan]

because of my father. He got in trouble with business. We laugh about it now, but he was a drug dealer. But he was a drug dealer. He went to jail. It's kind of a haha thing that we say now. But the reason it's so emotional for me is because I feel like I was robbed. It's kind of a ha ha thing. He's this head of the CBS Evening News. He's the anchor of the CBS Evening News. This is what drives everyone so crazy about the world. How fake everything is. That's the guy, that's the best guy for the job. This is when I grew up, you would go see Whitney Houston and go, fuck, she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if she smokes crack? She deserves it. You watch this and it drives you insane. You go, this guy's crying, his father's a drug dealer. This is who's the best guy for the job. He's going to have to report on dad like, like murder, war, war, famine, whatever. And he's crying in a fucking. In some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father. So they had to Leave Miami. No one believes anything's real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world. People. The people go, that's the guy, that's the anchor of the CBS Evening News. It's crazy.

[Guest 2]

Well, the other guy who was on a bunch of people attacked him after he left. Left, Right. So he left and apparently he made it very public.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Scott Pelly or something big public out. Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. So what was he pissed about? He. He was saying something about they were going against science or. Some of it had to do, I believe, with climate change. Some of it had to do with a bunch of other things that he disagreed with. The stat. The where the news organization. Let's find out what his exact complaints were.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, let's find out. I don't know what they were, but, you know, Barry chairs the meetings there and really goes on and embarrasses herself and on the calls and stuff. Has no idea what she's talking about.

[Guest 2]

And so here it is. Following his criticism, news editor Barry Wise, 60 Minutes executive producer Nick Bilton at a staff meeting. Peli was fired by CBS News. What did he say was CBS fired? Pell Kelly built and wrote a cover letter which obtained by the New York Times. Bilton stated as follows. Your antipathy. Antipathy to the future of the show has come through loud and clear. And we have. I have heard you therefore write on behalf of CBS News, Inc. To inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause, effective immediately. Next day. Weiss said, I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect. Respect. Okay, so what did he say? Pelly accused the new CBS leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political story and to include assertions that were not verified. Instructions he says he ignored. The collapse of values at the top has become untenable. The leadership at 60 Minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold dear are gone, and so I must leave his word. Well, wonder what exactly they meant, though, by the falsehoods in a political story and including assertions that were not verified. Well, oh, here it is. It says the story CBS intervened on was a report about the 2026 protests in Minnesota. And the falsehood CBS asked for was to describe protester Renee Good as driving her car toward the officer who killed her, which Pelly said contradicts video evidence of the event that's currently correct. It seemed to me that he was. The lady was trying to turn the car away from him. But it did brush up against the guy, which is enough for him to decide to kill her. Well, you know, but it wasn't. It was not. She was trying to run him over.

[Joe Rogan]

No, and I think it.

[Guest 2]

But however, that guy had been dragged by a car very recently, so he's probably filled with PTSD. He almost died. I think he got dragged like 300. 300 yards rather.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's fair to ask at the 300ft. Yeah. But I think it's also fair to ask at the, like, what is the media like, what is the media like? All due respect to Barry Weiss, but like, so it was a heavily inflated price for the, for her blog that she sold and YouTube channel, whatever. It's clearly, there's clearly a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own all of these companies and we're asked to believe that like she's the most qualified for the job, even though she's never ran a newsroom. She didn't like, work her way up the ranks. She's an odd op ed columnist and opinion writer and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense. We said it before. And then she appoints hires this guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami about his dad and it's like, who the hell's that guy? So I think it's fair to ask, like, do we have any trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left? And like people that work there are leaving and saying, I'm being asked to insert things into this. It isn't trusted.

[Guest 2]

Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car towards the officer. That's not, that's just not technically correct.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

It seems like she was steering it away. Why would they want to say something that's not correct when you could just see it in a video? Like if you were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing you would want to do is contradict something that's obviously verifiable. So that would, for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility? Because that's essentially what it's doing. You're. It's essential such a short term play. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

But I'll tell you exactly why. Because their main demographic is 70 year olds who are having strokes on their couch. They're not verifying this. They're not. They have a very old audience that is not online savvy. They're not looking at many angles. They have cataracts and they're hearing this and it allows them to dismiss it as well. She did the wrong, you know, she drove justifiable shooting. Yeah, I, I don't think there, but

[Guest 2]

somebody's motivating them to do that for those people.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Yeah, well, because she's in the tank for Trump because Trump promised or maybe didn't promise, but, like, whatever. He's useful in the sense that he's going to go in and topple the regime in Iran. He's going to sue all these, you know, or he's going to bring Harvard College to heal for whatever the hell they did. And, you know, she believes that. And again, a lot of this is just connected to her view that, you know, Israel's interests are always 100% concurrent with America's, and Trump gets that, and he understands that. So she's in the tank for Trump, which, by the way, if Biden would have invaded Iran, she would have started protecting him. It doesn't seem like. Like it's. She doesn't care that much about a ton of issues. It seems to be that this is her big issue.

[Guest 2]

That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people. Like, how much influence do they really have on this country? That's. That's what creeps people out. Because I think no one even really considered it before October 7th. It wasn't. I mean, I'm sure people considered it. Nick Fuentes considered it. It wasn't like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people.

[Guest 1]

People.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

It wasn't until we started realizing, first of all, it was aipac. It was the weirdness of the New York City mayoral race.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, of course.

[Guest 2]

Very weird. Where they were all like, we're gonna visit Israel. Like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's also in direct opposition to the stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair the United States and to make it great and to elevate it and to focus on the United States and, and to not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge, very popular plank of his platform, and to not waste money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in these unwinnable wars. And there was such a gaslighting campaign. The Secretary of State came out after the Iran war and goes, well, Israel's going to attack them anyway, and our bases were going to be vulnerable, so we had to join. And then he went, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't really mean that. We're partners. We both think it's a great idea. And there was tremendous pressure on him to do this.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, it hasn't worked. And it's, it's, it's clearly not in the. The interest of the United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran. Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is. Lots of, you know, people from all walks of life don't believe it. But there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot of money and that are incredibly powerful and they are really pushing this. They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes or non, you know, unconventional weapons, like crazy bombing campaigns. They're pushing troops on the ground. They don't care what it takes. Iran has to be either completely destroyed or it's just got to be a chaos zone. But for the regional ambitions of Israel, they can't. It can't exist. So, I mean, again, not in a paranoid, conspiratorial way, because I don't like the victim stuff either. As a bunch of people in America being, being like, I can't get ahead because Jewish people are successful. I think that's a stupid road to go down. That's a victim road. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it when gay people do it. Or anyone, any group of people. I hate when they drench themselves in victimhood. I think when you become a victim, you lose autonomy over your life. It's insane. But I do think there's a fair question to ask about what is, you know, so what is the motive of certain massive big donors? Is the motive the strength and prosperity of America or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel? That's a fair question.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. And like, what about the rest of the world? How much are we putting ourselves at odds with the rest of the world?

[Joe Rogan]

World indescribably the worst PR ever. And people cannot justify. You've got to be a very ideological person to justify southern Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, perhaps Turkey. This is starting to feel like this is a friend you have, who you make excuses for for a certain amount of time. Time. And then your wife eventually goes, they're not allowed here. You can't go out with them. They've. They're a problem. They have a up home life. I know they're fun. I know you share values. I know that you enjoy each other. You've known each other for a long time. But here's the deal. They're not coming to the house, and they can't be around the kids because, you know, that's what it's coming down to.

[Guest 2]

It was even worse than that. The, the, the thing that drives me crazy is the negotiation. When they get negotiators, then they wind up whacking them.

[Joe Rogan]

They kill all the negotiators.

[Guest 2]

And then Trump. Stop killing the negotiators.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And stop bombing Lebanon.

[Joe Rogan]

Is this Iran deal gonna work? Is it gonna work? You know, stop bombing Lebanon. I, I think we're at odds now. We're, we're in the, in the last two years. We are. Now it's. We're at odds with Israel for the first time, where Trump is really at odds with them and he's had enough. And I think he. He is starting to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war. And I think on the other side. And that's. And Vance, again, for all the disagreements I might have with Vance about certain things, he is one of the only people in that administration who does push against the continuation of this war, which is why a lot of those neoconservative donors try to destroy him because of that. I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of things I don't like about him, but there's a lot of things I think are good about him. I think there's. And it's not like I don't like about him, per se. I worry about, you know, some of his relationships.

[Guest 2]

How many, how many of these relationships you think are, like, necessary. Necessary for survival?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure all of them are. And that doesn't mean. And they, but they still need to be criticized and looked at. Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Guest 2]

Not. Not justifying it at all. But I'm totally. I have a feeling like no completely autonomous person is ever going to make it through that maze.

[Joe Rogan]

Never. Never. But I think the job is you turn the heat up enough where maybe if everyone's going to do 10 horrible things, they do too.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So I think it's. It's certainly the job of anyone who looks at this stuff to look at it and go, yeah, what is going on? What is happening? But I will say for all of the tech, you know, things that I find a little, you know, it's a little like what I do. I do think that to his credit, he's the only one in there. And you can tell. And it's not that I have some inside knowledge. They're only attack. He's being attacked the most by the people that want the war to continue.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think he knows his political ambitions will be completely destroyed. Destroyed by a continuation of this war. So I look at all these people not as human beings, even though they are human beings, but I look at them as, like they're Running the show, they're running the country. So they all have ambitions, and it's hard to know their hearts or heads or how they feel from one day to the next. It's very difficult. So I think when you look at them, you look at them and you go, yeah, he's a. He's calculated and ambitious, but he also. So is the one being attacked by people that want the war to continue. Tucker Carlson, who, again, I have agreements with Tucker. I have disagreements with Tucker. The attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Megyn Kelly are wild. Because of this issue. It's not a myriad of issues. It's this issue.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, undoubtedly. And it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent.

[Guest 1]

Transparent.

[Guest 2]

It's so transparent, and the. The whole world is seeing it play out, and it's like the amount of gaslighting that you have to keep pumping. Yeah, it's. It's not sustainable.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, to say that this was not in the interest. This was in America's interest. You have to do. You have to. You have to jump around logically so much.

[Guest 2]

Well, this is also the problem with the justification of what happened in Gaza, when people will try to say Israel, like God was saying, they're doing the best they can. Like, look at the drone footage, fly over that. That's the best you can do. That's crazy. Like, it's better. Is that better than a nuke? Because I don't think it is. It's like, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's inhumane.

[Guest 2]

It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread out over two years instead of one blast.

[Joe Rogan]

It's inhumane. It's evil. It's children being killed. It's mothers being killed in front of their children. And by the way, October. October 7th was inhumane. But I shouldn't have to keep doing that.

[Guest 2]

You shouldn't have to do that. But it's also October 7th. You know, the people that got killed, those are the ravers, Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So those are the people that were anti Netanyahu. Totally. Those are not the people that were.

[Joe Rogan]

They also killed. I think probably a lot of, like, they dragged people out of their houses.

[Guest 2]

Oh, they killed a ton of people

[Joe Rogan]

that were in the situation there.

[Guest 2]

Look, it's also like, why did it take so long to respond to that?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this is another very interesting, very important question. Question.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because there's a lot of people that say it's a state the size of New Jersey. And the security failures are. They're. They're pretty wild and There hasn't been a real investigation into them. And Netanyahu's kind of prevented that. And they've kind of made it illegal to question that in Israel. Like, people were like writing about that and going, what the hell is going on? But, like legal. Well, there was. They've made a law. And you can look this up about things like this in Israel because during wartime, they haven't had an. Have they had an election? No. Since October 7th.

[Guest 2]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Guest 2]

They haven't had the war.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right. And Ukraine hasn't had an. Nobody's had an election. So if I'm living in a country and the leader of my country just wants to be in a war for forever, there is no democracy.

[Guest 2]

Well, you know, Clinton said that. Clinton said that about Netanyahu. He said he wants to maintain a war. I mean, he said it openly in an interview.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And then, and then a nice chubby intern showed up. Oh, I wish I could go back

[Guest 2]

Internet and all these busy bodies was around. He was the first guy to go viral.

[Joe Rogan]

So, I mean, that's the thing. You don't. You don't have elections, you don't have people looking into things. And by the way, that's not the only thing that should be looked into. Look into. But look at everything.

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Where are the 9, 11 docs? What happened? Can we know? Why can't we know anything? What? Why can't we know anything?

[Guest 2]

Yeah, you know, this is all of it. It's like, really?

[Joe Rogan]

So we're all adults. Release it. Let's see what happened. But I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure no one did anything naughty.

[Guest 2]

I think this is all kind of breaking, though. And I think that one of the breaking. One of the things that's happening with AI, it's like all these things that they are protecting us from. We're gonna find out that stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, here's the thing. I mean, I met you in 2019. I. The first time I met you was 2018. Big J Oakerson was opening for you in Toronto.

[Guest 2]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But then I met you in 2019. And that's what, six years ago, seven

[Guest 2]

years ago,

[Joe Rogan]

they were cracking cracks of it breaking then, but almost invisible, like you couldn't see them. Now you have full on, like huge sinkholes opening into the reality that most people have accepted for their entire life. Yes, big.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, big, big. And you see like this Tulsi Gabbard, this press release that she did, this conference where she's talking about Fauci did, and All.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, all that.

[Guest 2]

There's, there's. We're getting information now. We're getting information that let us know that the entire system has been completely corrupted for a long time, For a very long time.

[Joe Rogan]

And it won't survive. It clearly can't survive the way we're in. Is it $40 trillion worth of debt?

[Guest 2]

It's close, right? It was at 39.

[Joe Rogan]

No one thinks that's getting paid back.

[Guest 2]

Yeah. Who we owe it to tell them to go off.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. So we have a lot of. It's China, but like, no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar is the world's reserve currency. Seems to have a limited amount of time. I don't know. But this is what's discussed. No, I mean, how does this system survive this level of information? People are not gonna.

[Guest 2]

Do you think that this whole race to AI this, like Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now, right now, like the future of whatever the United States is kind of depends on us getting there first.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I think part of if we don't

[Guest 2]

get there first, then it's probably a wrap. If you really thought about it, like, if China's there first, if control of resources and everything shut off. Sure, whatever. How. What if it's weaponized?

[Joe Rogan]

My worry is that in the guise of fighting China, we're going to become China. You know, so I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially having like, like saying Palantir should merge all these different government databases. So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data all merges. And who's doing that? Palantir. So you go, and then they go, well, China's got a credit score. Well, what the hell is that? Right? What the hell is this? What?

[Guest 1]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

So advance comes out and he goes, I'm worried about a credit score. It's like, okay, okay. Hey, buddy, me too. What the hell's this? So it's a little bit of gaslighting in that sense too. They're like, if China gets all this stuff, you're all going to. It'll. We lose. And you go, okay. So it's almost like China will enslave you. Let us do it first.

[Guest 2]

Everyone's going to be on their best behavior.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. Everyone's going to be on their best behavior. We're going to be watching them. You heard that quote? Yeah, everyone's going to be on their best behavior. This is what these, the world economic and people like, like that. They don't have an interest in you owning a house or farming land or starting a business or. They don't have any interest in that there. It does not serve them at all. It did for a while, but their economic projection is that that's not going to be possible for you. So what they're going to do, they're building bunkers, they're hoarding all the wealth and they're, you know, heavily invested in all this AI. And one of the reasons I think, that we have to strike a deal with Iran is all this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups, it props up all the AI. A lot of it. A lot of that money is coming from Qatar and the uae. And they're an armed bases getting blown off the earth in those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war. And they're a huge financier of American startups and some AI startups. So, like, one thing that I wonder about all of this is just how much this just does seem now to be a high level chess game about the future and what is and isn't possible. But the only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island that gives.

[Guest 2]

The Romanian people are really excited.

[Joe Rogan]

They're really excited.

[Guest 2]

I see how they were celebrating.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe they burned the Prime Minister's house, the President or whoever. They just start lighting houses on fire. And that's coming, by the way, they just did it in Belfast. That's coming. People starting to light things on fires. Coming, that's coming. I'm not calling for it. I'm not saying it's good, but it's coming. Because voting's become fake. No one cares. You know, people on threads, it's fake. It's fake. It's so obvious. It's fake. Fake X. It's all fake. So the only get. And you know what? Again, I'm not calling for it. It's bad. But fire is real. If you ask the people at Palisades or Malibu and whatever, Rip, I like the Palisades. That stupid mall. I liked it. But this is real. People are going to start realizing that this, all this technology has just been set up to give you this idea that you have some effect. And all the while Jared and Ivanka just go buy an island. That's what's happening. But maybe it's fine.

[Guest 2]

Have you gotten any invites to any bunkers?

[Joe Rogan]

No. No, they're not.

[Guest 2]

You think you'd feel differently if you did?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Guest 2]

I know, you've had advice to do interesting things.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had invites to Teal and I've said no, because I would, I think, you know, know, he'd probably sit me down and go, listen to me, you fat. You're gonna shut your mouth. And I'd sit there and I'd go, no, I think it's. I think if they were going to invite me, someone goes, this is the guy who dressed up as Kristi Noem's husband with fake tits. And they go, we can't have a meeting. But by the way, absolutely. If somebody said to me, a few people are going to survive and it's just going to be you and these people and everybody else is going to. To die, it's tough. How fun would it be, though? Is it fun. Is it fun if the whole world dies and I'm just sitting and having dinner with J.D. vance and his wife? I mean, is that the. With Peter Thiel, me and Usha and

[Guest 2]

Jade just eating steak?

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, is that. Is that what we want? I don't know.

[Guest 2]

Probably not.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably not.

[Guest 2]

But what's the best case scenario?

[Joe Rogan]

The best case scenario is a new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness and spirituality and a healthy attachment to technology and religion and, you know, people's. People's, you know, a common kind of a sense of morality and togetherness and love for community that's not enforced by governments, corporations and armies. I'm not betting on that, but that would be good.

[Guest 2]

Well, there's a battle, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there is a battle.

[Guest 2]

It's not like one side is clearly going to win. We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty. But humans today are way better at being people, way kinder and nicer, despite all our problems. Problems than we have ever been in the past.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Society is generally, at least first world countries safer than it's ever been in the past.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And it's also. There's more opportunity to do things now because of technology that's ever existed before. So. But this, it's not worse, but it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like, if you had to choose between living today the way we're living now, or living in 1976 in San Francisco, I'd be like, go yourself. I don't want shitty breaks. And live with these people that don't know anything because no one has the Internet. That. Yeah, you're better off living today. The communication.

[Joe Rogan]

You would go see Janis Joplin.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And you'd be smoking weed, and a burrito would be 50 cents. And then you would go into a park and. And then die. And it might not be as bad as one thinks. And who knows? I didn't live during that time, so I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You get stabbed, whatever. Like, New York was more culturally interesting when there was crime. I'm against there being crime because New York couldn't have existed. It can't be 1983 in New York now.

[Guest 2]

Times Square is a mall. Times Square right now is a TGI Fridays. But it used to be chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

Used to be chaos, but it can't be chaos forever. But again, in that city, do you get the Ramones. Do you get.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

All of that stuff? Probably not.

[Guest 2]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably not.

[Guest 2]

No. You need some chaos for art, for sure. You don't get chaos from TGI Fridays. You don't get that kind of chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

But I do think that there's a time for certain things, and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward. Meaning, like, it would be crazy to think about New York in the 80s today. Like, no one's built for that life today.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

No one's even built for that. Like, one of the reasons that wars don't work anymore is we're just not built for it. When it built. Used to be built for war. People used to be built for war. They were built to, like, just be like, yeah. Somebody calls me and I just go, die. You know, there's like a petition on the door, and it's like, report here. We're going to war. People were built for. Nobody's built for that now. People file complaints with doordash.

[Guest 2]

I filed complaints 1981. Rolling Stone magazine called West 42nd street, located in the heart of Times Square, as the sleaziest block in America.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Now it's probably prime real estate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, listen, there's. There's parts of it that are, you know, it's all prime real estate there, whether people like it or not. It's not necessarily, you know. Bet it's better because it's safer, but it's worse because it's safer. Nothing's all one thing. Nothing's all one thing. There's still great art there. There's still great music and comedy and theater and all that stuff. Is it as good as it was? No, no. But again, it's just because the people that. That. That are doing it are amazing. And they're. And they're. And they're talented, but, like, Culture is so decentralized now. In fractures. It's nothing can stay cool. Everything that pop. You know what's depressing me about New York is it's become like. It's become a place where people just go on Instagram and post host of. You know when you used to go to dinner in New York City? You would eat French food or food that could never make at home. You've never even seen. You didn't hear. They would treat you like shit. It was fun. Now you go to these places because Taylor Swift went there. You have like they. They just do like a high end version of it. Like a Totino's pizza roll. They put truffle oil on it. Here's a French dip, here's a burger. People their burger. It's just a basic bitch mall city now. That's really what it's become. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths. They're making lots of money and good for them. But it's becoming a suburban city. It's a city where people talk about chicken salad. It's a city where people go to Wegmans. It's just a different city. It's Pilates and toddlers. It's all great. It's fine. I don't want to see people getting shanked. But it's not what it was. It's just not what it was. It doesn't have that same magic. And nothing does. Lay does. Nothing really does. And. And it won't come back.

[Guest 2]

No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know if that's good or bad. If I live there. I mean, who knows what the gonna happen now with mom Donnie as mayor. I mean that'll that weirdness where. What's that guy's name? Ken Griffin. The guy. Yeah. Billionaire guy who's in front of his apartment.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Billionaire guy lives here. He's got so much money. We're gonna take it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they don't tax it. Well, here's the thing. It's all fake. It's all fake. Momdani's trump. He's smart, he's sharp, he's good looking and young. He just did this whole crap. It's YouTube. It's like, look. Billion billionaire guy. Ken Griffin's in Palm beach building a house worth a billion dollars. You're not going to do anything to Ken Griffin. You're a city employee. The mayor is fake. Like it's like he'll raise taxes. Maybe if he can get it done. But he can't. It'll get dirtier. Crime will go up, or it won't. It's kind of whatever. It's just not, you know, I think it's not. It's. It's more just the corporations rule and guys like him. It's like Bernie Sanders. He's the version of the socialist you get. What does it even mean? He has a bunch of military industrial complex jobs in Vermont, Sweetheart of a man. But has not gotten one goddamn thing

[Guest 2]

for 30 years worth billions. Has 300, worth millions.

[Joe Rogan]

Has 300 to Clinton sandbag him because they're working for God only knows who, the Goldman Sachs and the devil. And. And he goes and says, Hillary's great. They're all great. It's all great. The system's fine. I lost. He got sandbagged like twice. And he doesn't. And he doesn't burn it to the ground. He won't burn it to the ground because that's the verse version of a socialist you get in America. And I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying, like, that's clearly. This is. You throw the bone to placate someone.

[Guest 2]

It's also, they're playing a game. And his game is to stay relevant. Totally being a politician. Keep being a senator from Vermont. You stay there forever. Everybody loves you. Ben and Jerry's. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Vermont is a lily white state of.

[Guest 2]

Of frozen people.

[Joe Rogan]

Of frozen people. And it's just a bunch of lesbians. And I think Alec Baldwin now, because he's showing shot someone.

[Guest 2]

Does he live there now?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he does, but I don't know. And I like him, shout out to him. We've all moved on. But I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he has to do to please that demographic of people.

[Guest 2]

What do you think happens in 2028?

[Joe Rogan]

I think. I think the donors want Rubio, but Rubio is kind of a buffoon.

[Guest 2]

Why do they want Rubio?

[Joe Rogan]

Because he's not. Vance is more isolationist than Rubio, and I think Vance is more in league with the tech people, whereas Rubio maybe the central banking cartels of intergenerational pools of capital that are more invested in the war industry and might be slightly more aligned with Israel. Like Rubio. Like there are different fiefdoms of the super rich. I think the tech guys are relatively new. Not that they don't get involved in war. Of course they do. But it's not all hunky dory. You know, if you had a banking empire for years and centuries and you're like, now all these new tech Fox are here, and you're like, what is this? And you're like, we make our money with war, and so do the tech people, by the way. But they have other ways to make money. So I do think Vance will get the nomination. I don't think Rubio. I used to think it would be Rubio, but I've watched Rubio recently, more, and I don't think Rubio, he's. He's. He's just too buffet. I can't take him serious. Seriously.

[Guest 2]

I don't know why Trump again suggests a Vance, Rubio, 20, 28 presidential ticket, or perhaps Rubio, Vance.

[Joe Rogan]

So this, it'll probably be those two.

[Guest 2]

Interesting. But do you think that people are going to want to buy into another Republican Party?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, it'll be a Democrat. I think it'll be a Democrat.

[Guest 2]

Who do you think wins?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I think it's somebody that. We don't know who it is yet. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is. I think. I don't think it's Newsom. I don't think it's. I think it's aoc. I think it's somebody that comes from a red state, who's a Democrat, governor, a purple state. We don't know who they are yet. They pop up. They're boring. I think we need boring. I think a boring person's gonna come in and just be like, hey, I'm the president.

[Guest 2]

Reasonable.

[Joe Rogan]

The show's over. Michelle Obama's a woman. And then you'll hear some of the country go, because Trump's a drug. And you gotta detox from that. And this whole last decade has been a drug. And it's been the craziest decade that I've been. Been alive. I remember sitting with you in election night. I remember me, you and Alex sitting down. I remember all these things where we're watching these crazy, poor. I remember the. I remember when. When Trump was shot. I remember, you know, tragically, when Charlie Kirk was shot. I remember all of these things that have happened that are just so crazy and now seem so far away and like they're so far in the past.

[Guest 2]

Gavin Newsom.

[Joe Rogan]

They like this guy John Oscar, off.

[Guest 2]

Who's that guy?

[Guest 1]

I just looked him up. I didn't know either. He's a youngest incumbent senator out of Georgia.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's having a moment.

[Guest 2]

Nailed it. You just nailed it.

[Joe Rogan]

He could be him. Look at him.

[Guest 1]

There he go.

[Guest 2]

Looks like a president just Put him in. Yeah, his, his neck is medium. It's not too thin.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a medium neck. He's got that face.

[Guest 2]

Neck is a little too small.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah, that's probably true.

[Guest 2]

A little bit more square jawed conservative Georgia radio host endorses John Ossoff for U.S. senate.

[Joe Rogan]

If they want to win, they just have to go, hey, everybody, remember health care. Don't you want that?

[Guest 2]

Is he Republican?

[Guest 1]

Democrat.

[Guest 2]

He's a Democrat.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a Democrat, but he's going to LARP as a Republican in the same way that Spencer Pratt's like, I'm actually a Democrat. You know what I mean?

[Guest 2]

Worked as a national security store daffer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's a spook. Put him in. Who cares? It's fake. At this point, we all know it's fake. How much more evidence does anyone need?

[Guest 2]

Jesus Christ. Tim. Dylan.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry.

[Guest 2]

I'm glad you're out there.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm glad you, you have me in here.

[Guest 2]

Your podcast rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you, brother. I really appreciate it.

[Guest 2]

Such a great escape.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Guest 2]

It's, it's so beautiful because the, just the way you're able to just combine reality with humor is very rare.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, thank you, dude.

[Guest 2]

I appreciate it. It's very, it's, it's a very unusual thing you're doing. It's very insightful political commentary and social commentary mixed in with hilarious takes on things. That's very nihilist.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'll keep doing it until I'm put in a jail. Thank you, brother.

[Guest 2]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Appreciate it.

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