#2505 - Tom Segura

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2505 – Tom Segura

Date: May 25, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Tom Segura (Comedian, writer, actor)

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this wide-ranging episode, Joe Rogan and Tom Segura reunite for a hilarious and deeply conversational session. The pair discuss Tom’s wild new Netflix show, transformations in the comedy and entertainment business, wild historical stories (especially brutal dictators), technological change (AI), dark societal trends, and, of course, an abundance of car and comedy talk. The discussion blends humor, philosophy, and real talk about creativity, human nature, and the weirdness of modern times.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tom Segura’s Netflix Show & Creative Freedom

[00:14–01:03] / [98:36–101:41]

• Joe raves about Tom’s latest Netflix season, praising its outrageous sketches and distinct point of view.
• Unfiltered creative control was given: “They give us no restraints in the craziest, greatest sense. Like, they really are like, do whatever you want to do.” — Tom Segura [00:55]
• Praise for Netflix’s willingness to let creators take risks compared to traditional studios.

Memorable Quote:

"It's so obvious that it's your imagination because no one would think of these things." — Joe Rogan [98:39]

2. On Comedy, Dance-Offs, and Comedians’ Rivalries

[01:09–02:26]

• Tom talks about going all-in for sketches, including multiple dance rehearsals.
• Hilarious recounting of competition with Bert Kreischer: “He was like, I’m a better dancer. And I was like, eat shit, dude.” — Tom Segura [01:29]
• Joe and Tom swap stories about the unique confidence (and athleticism) of comedians like Bert.

3. Fitness, Weight Loss, and The 5K Challenge

[02:04–02:55]

• Anecdotes about Bert losing 50 pounds and shaving 16 minutes off his 5K.
• Both discuss training with weighted vests for fitness/hunting: “Everything is so much harder.” — Tom Segura [02:36]

4. Joe’s Texas Hunting Lifestyle

[03:13–08:19]

• Joe explains wild pig overpopulation in Texas and the environmental need for hunting them.
• Fascinating, dark details about wild pig ecology: “Texas has millions and millions of pigs. [...] They can have as many as three litters a year.” — Joe Rogan [04:05]
• Stories about chef Jesse Griffiths and hunting/cooking schools in Texas. The experience includes from-scratch education, from shooting to butchering to cooking.
  • “From the beginning. Like, I've never shot a gun before. Fine, don't worry about it.” — Joe Rogan [08:16]

5. Dictators & The Horror of Uday Hussein

[12:29–18:30]

• Tom shares disturbing findings from his deep dive into dictator history, focusing on Uday Hussein.
• Shocking anecdotes: Uday’s violence, sexual sadism, and torture of athletes.
• “He would force them to repeatedly kick a concrete soccer ball... dragged through gravel, immersed in a sewage tank, to induce infection in their wounds...” — Jamie/reading, [15:33]
• The discussion segues into nature/nurture debates, trauma, sadism, and the chilling proximity of such atrocities to modern times.

6. AI, Disruption & Cultural Change

[30:26–38:32]

• Reflections on the rise of AI in society, commencement speech controversies, jobs at risk, and student anxiety.
• “It's like getting mad about email, right? It's like, it's not going away, man.” — Tom Segura [32:36]
• Joe is skeptical about “learning AI” being sufficient: “You might be completely irrelevant. That's the problem.” [33:16]

7. The Evolving World of Standup

[43:05–50:47]

• Comedy reminiscences: the difficulty of “making it” as a comic, the rarity of open micr-to-headliner success, prop acts, ventriloquism, and character-driven comedy. Carrot Top and Jeff Dunham as standouts.
• “You dominate an entire genre now.” — Joe Rogan on Carrot Top [47:55]

8. The Joy of Cars & Driving

[83:38–94:59, scattered throughout]

• Extended car talk: carbon fiber Mustangs, old Porsches vs. Ferraris, what makes a car “fun.”
• “Fun doesn’t equal fast necessarily.” — Tom Segura [91:57]
• Anecdotes of favorite cars, convertibles in LA, and the thrill of the drive.

9. Societal Trends: Regulations, Nomenclature, and Wokeness

[103:29–106:40]

• The shifting language of social acceptability, from “dwarf” and “native” to “people of color,” and the confusion it causes—especially for older or out-of-touch people.
• “If you went into a coma and you woke up, like, three years later, you'd be so lost.” — Joe Rogan [104:16]

10. Canada’s Assisted Suicide Program (MAID)

[107:43–110:10]

• Joe and Tom express shock and sadness at the scale of assisted suicide in Canada, especially for non-terminal issues.
• “Between 2016, the end of 2024, there were 76,475 recorded made deaths.” [108:23]

11. Wildest Suicide Story

[111:06–117:44]

• Joe tells the story of a man who committed suicide via homemade guillotine, with dark humor and philosophical asides.
• “His level of dedication to this plan is pretty incredible.” — Tom Segura [114:34]

12. Health & Vitamin D

[122:59–124:14]

• “Sunlight is actually a necessary part of being a human being.”
• Discussion of how obesity, lack of sunlight, and poor diet lead to frequent illness.

13. Corruption, Law Enforcement, and Institutional Incentives

[150:04–154:17]

• Discussion about government corruption during the Iraq war, agent provocateurs, and law enforcement’s focus on quotas.
• “It feels like a traffic cop meeting his quota, you know?” — Tom Segura [152:32]

14. Closing: Transformation and Gratitude

[123:17–124:14, 163:52–end]

• Both reflect with appreciation on their journey, health improvements, and the freedom of comedy.
• Shout-outs to Netflix and encouragement to watch Tom’s show.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On creative freedom:

  “They give us no restraints in the craziest, greatest sense. Like, they really are like, do whatever you want to do.”
  — Tom Segura [00:55]

• On dictatorship and trauma:

  “Usually when you see, like, these really horrifically violent people as adults, there's almost always childhood trauma and neglect.”
  — Tom Segura [13:27]

• On AI-induced anxiety for graduates:

  “Imagine if you were graduating from college right now and you had no idea what your future is going to be... and then all of a sudden there's this thing... that can replace everybody that's done everything ever.”
  — Joe Rogan [32:36]

• On OnlyFans AI models:

  “They're making a lot of money. And they have a whole team of people that respond to all these sad guys.” — Joe Rogan [31:22]

• On Netflix’s willingness to let edgy comedy happen:

  “But the thing is they're not ideologically captured... they'll let you go ham.” — Joe Rogan [100:47]

• On comic’s success rates:

  “What do you think it is? Is it 1 in 500 maybe, that become a professional?”
  — Joe Rogan [44:33]

• On Canadian MAID program:

  “5.1% of all deaths in the country.”
  — Joe Rogan (on medically assisted suicide) [108:13]

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Important Timestamps

• Tom's show & Netflix creative freedom: [00:14], [98:36], [100:04], [101:41]
• Bert Kreischer dance competition & 5K story: [01:09–02:55]
• Texas pig infestation & hunting: [03:13–08:19]
• Uday Hussein horrors and dictator discussion: [12:29–18:30]
• AI and society: [30:26–38:32]
• Comedy business & creative breakthroughs: [43:05–50:47]
• Assisted suicide in Canada: [107:43–110:15]
• Wild suicide via guillotine story: [111:06–117:44]
• Government corruption, law enforcement quotas: [150:04–154:17]
• Closing thoughts and shout-outs: [163:52–164:10]

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Tone & Dynamics

Joe Rogan and Tom Segura riff with absurdity, unfiltered honesty, and moments of dark humor. The episode moves fluidly from belly laughs to genuine social commentary and personal anecdotes, wrapping deep cultural issues in accessible, conversational storytelling. Both men’s fascination with extreme stories—whether comedy, crime, dictatorship, or wild science—is on full display.

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For Listeners

If you enjoy meandering, uncensored long-form conversations blending comedy, history, tech, and culture—with plenty of sidebars into cars and the comedy grind—this episode is essential listening. Tom Segura’s Netflix show is a recurring thread, and Joe’s curiosity about the world guarantees an unpredictable, entertaining ride.

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Watch Tom Segura’s new show on Netflix—now streaming!

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Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Tom Segura]

Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train my day. Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day,

[Willie Ray]

dummy buns.

[Tom Segura]

What's that name?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude? I watched two episodes of the new season.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. So you. That show is so you. I don't want to give anything away. But the dance one. I was crying. Was crying. And the Freaky Friday one.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah. With Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They're so fun.

[Tom Segura]

They're so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems so fun for you.

[Tom Segura]

Like, it's the most fun I have.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, it's so. It is one of the best examples of like a one mind, like one person's mind in a show.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Without like a whole bunch of people saying, don't do that. Don't do this.

[Tom Segura]

They give us no restraints in the. In the craziest, greatest sense. Like, they really are like, do whatever you want to do.

[Joe Rogan]

The Kevin Nealon one, the first one was so fucking ridiculous. It's so. It's so you.

[Tom Segura]

It's. It's. It's such a great time. The dance one, you know, I went to six rehearsals for that dance. Rehearsals.

[Joe Rogan]

Dancing is hard.

[Tom Segura]

It was so hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when you did the Tom. The Steven Seagal thing?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had to do a bunch

[Joe Rogan]

of rehearsals for that for people that hadn't seen it. That's. You and Bert Burt made a dance video. Like you guys had a competition.

[Tom Segura]

He was just saying we should all do one. And then. And we were. I was like, yeah, okay. And then he just dropped one. So he. There was no, like, let's both do one. And then he was like, I'm a better dancer. And I was like, eat shit, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

There's something about him saying he's better at something that's infuriating.

[Tom Segura]

It's so crazy. Cause it's just. It's just like wild, unhinged confidence, you know? And the truth is, I gotta give him his credit. He is capable of so much of this stuff too.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a great athlete.

[Tom Segura]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why he's so confident about stuff.

[Tom Segura]

He dropped. He dropped a bunch of weight. And then in our. We did our 5k a few weeks ago for the Netflix as a joke. We did a 5k again from last year to this year. He dropped 16 minutes off of his time.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy shit.

[Tom Segura]

I was like, dude, he dropped £50 too.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you imagine doing a 5k with a 50 pound vest on?

[Tom Segura]

It's crazy. It's really.

[Joe Rogan]

I think about that Every time I work out with a vest on and my vest that I usually work out with is only £25.

[Tom Segura]

25.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is like normal amount that people lose.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, this is crazy how much harder.

[Tom Segura]

Everything is so much harder. Yeah. It's great to wear those on like a hike and then take it off and you're like, oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

I have a 35 pounder. I wear when I walk the dog. And then I have another one that's this. It's an actual backpack frame that I put plates on it and I can get it up to £90.

[Tom Segura]

I did a hike with a 50 on and I had to take that off.

[Joe Rogan]

Hard, man.

[Tom Segura]

Really hard.

[Joe Rogan]

The 45 I do with one 45 pound plate. So, like the backpack itself is probably about 4 pounds. And then the plate is like another 45.

[Tom Segura]

Shoulder, neck. Neck area just starts to just go.

[Joe Rogan]

It's rough.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, it's really rough.

[Joe Rogan]

I do it before hunting season, though, because it's like the best thing to prepare you.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

For actually having a backpack on.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Mountains.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, because you don't realize how you're carrying a bow. You're carrying. I don't pack my whole camp on my back. Like some guys when they go out into the backcountry for like eight, 10 days, they'll have a 80 pound, 60 pound pack because they've got their food for like a week in there and then they have like their bedding and. And they have like some kind of a shelter.

[Tom Segura]

Do you go hunt like that? Like that level?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't do that anymore. I've done it a few times.

[Tom Segura]

You have?

[Joe Rogan]

But I don't like it.

[Tom Segura]

My boys are hitting me up like they want to go hunting. Really? Yeah. Because I take them shooting, but we just shoot targets.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, we have a lease out here. We could take you pig hunting.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my goodness.

[Joe Rogan]

They have to kill them. They have so many of them, dude. They're so. They're just. They're. It's the craziest infestation of animals you've ever seen. You hear them in the bushes. They sound like demons. They're everywhere. There's so many of them, dude.

[Tom Segura]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Texas has millions and millions of pigs.

[Tom Segura]

Is it really that many?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. I don't even know what the full number is like, but they don't know because it goes up every month. So the. The thing is, like, wild pigs have as many as three litters a year, and they could have as many as six piglets per litter.

[Tom Segura]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they Start giving birth at 6 months old.

[Tom Segura]

And then do they do the thing? Because, like, with a lot of. With a lot of, you know, animals that they say you can hunt these, it's because they are destroying, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Destroying everything, really. So what is the number? 2.6 to 4 million wild pigs. Not nuts. That's in Texas. That's just Texas. That's just Texas. 2.6 to 4 million is bonkers.

[Tom Segura]

How long does that hunting season last year?

[Joe Rogan]

It's 100%. All day long at night. Shoot them with night vision? Yeah, you can shoot them. You can shoot them every day, all day.

[Tom Segura]

The only time I've ever hunted in my life was hog hunting in Florida.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they. They taste great. I mean, like barbecued pig. Like, if you do it right, you have to be careful because you can get trichinosis if you undercook it. It's not like pork that you get from a restaurant. They're eating everything. They. They eat each other. Like, if one pig dies, they. Sometimes they die in fights. They fight with each other and they die. Or sometimes they get hit by a hunter and they live and then they die. Then they. The pigs eat them. So they'll eat dead deers, they'll eat skunks, raptors. Anything, Anything, anything.

[Tom Segura]

So you have to cook it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got to cook the. Out of it. But if you eat a pig that's been eating acorns, oh, they're delicious. I got one in California once. The first pig that I shot, and we smoked it on this Traeger, like, slow. Smoked a ham. It was sensational. So good. It was so good. Dude, it's like a darker meat than pork that you get from the store.

[Tom Segura]

I'll. I gotta take them, because they're asking. I took it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a good friend of mine named Jesse Griffiths. He owns Dai Due restaurant, and he's an awesome chef. Like, an amazing chef. And Dai De, if you've never been there before, you got to go there. It's incredible. And it's a lot of his, like, Texas wild game that he serves. He serves like Neil guy, like, which is, like. So there's only animals that you can serve that you hunt are ones that people own, like, exotics or pigs. So he has, like, wild boar sausage.

[Tom Segura]

He has a place here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's called Dai Due.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, I think I have that written down on my list.

[Joe Rogan]

It's legit. What I was gonna say is, Jesse, he has a cooking school.

[Tom Segura]

It is. It's number three. It's on my List.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's super legit. It's one of the first places I went when I moved here.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because he had been on my friend Steve Rinella's podcast, and then he came on my podcast, and when he was on Steve's, I was like, God, that guy's so interesting. Who is that guy? And then he introduces me to him. And then we went hunting together, Steve and I, in South Texas, like right on the Mexican border. And Jesse went, too. And Jesse cooked for us. Oh, my God. It was sensational.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

He's so good. He cooks diver ducks. And diver ducks are kind of gross because they're the ones that go under the water and they eat all the mulch at the bottom. But what he does is he has some kind of crazy marinating process. So he marinates them for, like, an extended period of time, and then he grilled them.

[Tom Segura]

And daidu serves what kind of food?

[Joe Rogan]

It's mostly. It's like they have steaks, they have fish, they have everything. But it's mostly Texas food.

[Tom Segura]

Texas food.

[Joe Rogan]

Like Texas redfish, Texas wild hog. He has nilgai ceviche.

[Tom Segura]

Is there anything better than befriending a chef?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's.

[Tom Segura]

It's the greatest.

[Joe Rogan]

He's great guy, too. And what I was going to say is he has a whole school. What is it called? Jamie something. We'll figure it out. Jamie will find it. But he has a school where he'll teach you how to hunt, teaches you how to butcher the animal, how to break it down into cuts, and then he teaches you how to cook it.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. And he does it with a small amount of people, so it's like, you know, six, eight people or something in a small group. And they'll take. From the beginning. Like, I've never shot a gun before. Fine, don't worry about it. From the beginning. This is how you use a rifle.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the safety. Make sure you never point the gun at anything other than the ground. Never pointed at a person, even your fingers, nowhere near the trigger. All the safety stuff. And then takes you to a range, shows you how to sight it in, how to shoot the rifle. And then they take you hunting.

[Tom Segura]

See that? The most imposing, I think, part of.

[Joe Rogan]

Of new school of traditional cookery. That's it.

[Tom Segura]

The most imposing part of hunting to me, is what do you do after the. After you shoot the animal?

[Joe Rogan]

I could teach you some of that, too. Show me some pictures here. Some of the yummy pictures. Like he. He barbecues. They're like, his food is so. Look at that, dude. Come on, son. What is that? Like some sort of a poor.

[Jamie]

What is this, whitetail or.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so it's whitetail, a doe, and a big fatty boar. Whoa. And so what is he doing? He's making dried chilies and onions. So n. And like, unlike a lot of people, he likes, like, old boars. He like. Like a lot of people, they say, oh, you got to shoot a young one. You know? He's like, no, no, I like the old ones because it's like real flavor to me. Just got to know what you're doing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, well, yeah, he knows what he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you like cooking?

[Tom Segura]

I do like cooking. I haven't. I used to cook more, but I do. I enjoy the process. I love. I love getting a recipe, getting the ingredients together, and cooking a meal.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, then you'll love doing this.

[Tom Segura]

I would love to try that because

[Joe Rogan]

it'll be something that you shot yourself.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God. Hook me up with him, please. Yeah, for sure, I would.

[Joe Rogan]

And on top of it, you're literally helping the environment.

[Tom Segura]

That's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

They have to be killed.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. I'm telling you, these guys are asking me on a daily basis.

[Joe Rogan]

You know Taylor Sheridan, the guy who produces Yellowstone? He's a friend of mine, and he has a giant ranch. Is crazy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he's. I think he has the biggest ranch in Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he had a pig problem, so he literally brought in these fucking special ops guys and they trained like. Like as if they were going to go attack on a surgeons.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To kill pigs. Really? And they. Yeah, they plotted it all out. They strategized, they made a plan, and they went out and they fucking annihilated, like, a bunch of pigs.

[Tom Segura]

That's pretty fucking rad.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, pretty. Yeah, in pretty violent ways, I'm sure. Like, sure. There's some crazy videos online of people using thermite. Do you know what. No, not thermite. What's that stuff called, Jamie, that blows up? Tannerite. Tannerite. Tannerite.

[Tom Segura]

That's how they're blowing up the pig.

[Joe Rogan]

So what they do is they'll set up a feeder.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then at the feeder they have tannerite. And so, like, when the feeders go off, the animals hear it and they run towards the feeder. And usually the feeder is for deer. And then the pigs usually kick the deer and the deer just say this and they run out of there. And you got like 30, 40 pigs. And so blow these pigs, bro. It's so wrong. But see, if you could find any videos of one where they're, like, on a feeder because the camera's, like, really close. The camera's like, 20 yards.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like, these, like. Watch this. This is so up. Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

They're just.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Disintegrated.

[Joe Rogan]

And this is one of the beautiful things about Texas that's totally legal.

[Tom Segura]

Totally legal.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally legal.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You can shoot them out of helicopters, too.

[Tom Segura]

And they needed to go.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they have to go.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so many of them. Dude. When I take you to the lease that we have with my friend Tyler from Archery country, when you go there, as you. You're walking, you hear them in the bushes. They sound like monsters.

[Tom Segura]

That's what you're hunting now.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where you can hunt.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna take you. Yeah, we. We have a lease there.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, nice.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like an hour, 20 minutes from here. Hour, half.

[Tom Segura]

I went a couple weeks ago to somebody's ranch. Yeah, it was fucking awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

It's pretty cool.

[Tom Segura]

It was so cool. And, like, he had his own range set up there, which was so rad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's the dream.

[Tom Segura]

And we set up. I set up my youngest, so we were shooting, like, pistols. And then the guy had the new dev grew SEAL Team 6 rifle. And we. We late. My son laid on the bed of the pickup, and he was like, just ping, ping, ping, ping. He's like, I was 18. For 18, I was like, yeah, dude, you're ready to go.

[Joe Rogan]

How old is he?

[Tom Segura]

Seven.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Yeah. That's so exciting for a seven.

[Tom Segura]

So excited to be able to do something like that. So exciting, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you could take him and he could shoot a pig, and then you guys can, like, have baby back

[Tom Segura]

ribs for dinner, it's gonna change this whole. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He'll love it. He's gonna go nuts for it. It's very exciting.

[Tom Segura]

Speaking of violence, I was. I was. I was breeding and researching Uday Hussein, man. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Dark. He's the darkest, the evilest, him and his brother.

[Tom Segura]

But Uday was the worst.

[Joe Rogan]

He was the worst.

[Tom Segura]

He was the worst. Yeah. He was the eldest. Oh. Because I keep reading about dictators, you know, And I was. I was reading about IDI Amin and Mussolini, Stalin. And then you get to Hussein. Hussein's like, a really interesting story, like, from birth. Right. His mother didn't want him, which is a very kind of unique thing, like a mother rejecting her own.

[Joe Rogan]

Why didn't you want him?

[Tom Segura]

He. His father had died before he was born, and she thought this I don't want this kid. And so when. When she was. When he was born, she was like, he's a. Like a devil child.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Tom Segura]

So she rejected him from birth.

[Joe Rogan]

Meanwhile, she was right.

[Tom Segura]

She was kind of right.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy?

[Tom Segura]

It is right. It is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think she made him that way?

[Tom Segura]

I think usually when you see, like, these really horrifically violent people and as adults, there's. There's almost always childhood trauma and neglect, I'm sure. So that formula is almost always there.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Tom Segura]

It kind of. I think it kind of is. And he was.

[Joe Rogan]

Or maybe she just knew. Maybe she had some gypsy instincts, had a feeling like she just knew this one bad, bad one.

[Tom Segura]

But he was violent from a very young age and.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he was rejected from a very young age.

[Tom Segura]

Exactly. He was an enforcer. And, you know, he killed somebody as a teen.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Tom Segura]

But all of his violence while, like, president, what had, you know, it was like, politically motivated, it was like to stay in power. But Uday was just a sadist.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Like, he just enjoyed killing for someone that looked at him wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he would find women that were getting married.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He would steal them, rape them, then feed them to his dogs.

[Tom Segura]

He threw one off a hotel rooftop one time. He killed a chef for over salting the food, like right there in the kitchen. Shot him in the head.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

He, like, he. He one time killed a guy at a party in front of the president of Egypt. So the president was visiting Iraq, Mubarak was visiting, and he beat this guy and then shot him in the head at the party. Oh, my God, bro, you got to

[Joe Rogan]

get out of here.

[Tom Segura]

And then one time he went to a family party and he was pissed at his uncle, and he pulled out a submachine gun and shot him. He shot him in the leg and they had to amputate it, but. But he sprayed and he killed six other people.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

Just wild. Crazy. And then he was in charge of, like, the country's athletics. You know, he was like chairman of the Olympic team, and so he was like, torturing athletes. He was just running wild.

[Joe Rogan]

You imagine a serial killer. That's the prince of a country.

[Tom Segura]

It's just absolutely insane.

[Jamie]

First paragraph is about the Olympic team stuff he would do.

[Joe Rogan]

He had a lifelong obsession with brutal torture and murder and would brutally torture athletes whenever they failed to win a match. When athletes would fail to get in a soccer tournament, he would force them to repeatedly kick a concrete soccer ball. Athletes who lost matches would be repeatedly dragged through a gravel pit, then immersed in a sewage tank to induce infection in their wounds. Uday loved torturing and killing, and he would sometimes flog the athletes for three days if they failed. Iron maidens may have never been used in medieval times, but they were frequently used by Uday to punish athletes. Oh, my God, dude.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he was. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

It's just about that. There's other stuff here, too. Oh, Egyptian president thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What's crazy is, like, how long did he do that for?

[Tom Segura]

I mean, he was. He was born in 64 and he died in, what? Oh, three.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Listen to this one. Scroll up a little bit. According to his chief bodyguard, when Uday learned one of his close comrades who knew of his many misdeeds was planning to leave Iraq, he invited him to his 37th birthday and had him arrested. An eyewitness at the prison where the man was held said members of Uday's militia grabbed his tongue with pliers and sliced it off with a scalpel so he could not talk. A maid who cleaned one of Uday's houses said she once saw him lop off the ear of one of his guards and then use a welder's torch on his face. His bodyguards would later say that at least 200 people died at his parties every year. What?

[Tom Segura]

So the worst thing 200 people died

[Joe Rogan]

at his parties every year would be

[Tom Segura]

to be invited to his parties.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine you get that invite and you can't. You can't not go. You definitely, definitely kill you.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you got to hope you're one of the, you know, people that don't.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Jamie]

Sweating. And he lashed him.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a stickler for personal hygiene, recalled the butler. Hated a smell of sweat. One summer day, Uday stopped the butler and said, what the hell is that smell? Uday ordered five falaqua lashes on the butler's right foot and five on his right armpit. Oh, my God, this part. At his boat club, Uday kept a monkey named Louisa in a cage in the kitchen. Louisa had a taste for whiskey. It was an angry drunk.

[Tom Segura]

Drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

If one of Uday's friends passed out in the course of an evening or was caught napping. Says about their Uday would have the friend thrown in the cage with Louisa who would scratch at the poor in inebriate's face.

[Tom Segura]

Jesus Christ, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How crazy is that? 200 every year died at his parties.

[Tom Segura]

I mean, yeah, he was.

[Joe Rogan]

So he had parties all the time, then?

[Tom Segura]

All the time, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It Just would kill people and his

[Tom Segura]

parties and the music would have to keep going and you would have to. One time he killed the guy for not laughing hard enough at his joke. So like at a party, so he told a joke and people laughing when I didn't laugh hard enough. And he shot him in the head at the party.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy.

[Tom Segura]

And then he was like, looked at everybody. Everyone's like, you got to keep like, like having a good time holy because then you get it for, for reacting the wrong way.

[Joe Rogan]

How many people did he kill?

[Tom Segura]

Oh my God. It's, it's just. And they knew he was demonic. Like they knew he was.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's my boy.

[Tom Segura]

He's my son.

[Joe Rogan]

What do I do?

[Tom Segura]

What do I do?

[Joe Rogan]

What can I do?

[Tom Segura]

He's first in line.

[Joe Rogan]

What can I do? He's going to be king someday.

[Tom Segura]

Someday this will all be his. Can you imagine if he had just taken over?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Tom Segura]

Oh, probably teen like his dad probably. If not, it was definitely by the time he was like 20 and they would just, you know, the boys would just run through that country with like unlimited funds, unlimited access and no repercussions whatsoever. Wild. Yeah, it's like the worst formula for that personality trait.

[Joe Rogan]

Proud. And it's probably never been, there's never been a time where you had access to the kind of guns that they had, the weapons, cars and, and squads.

[Tom Segura]

They had kill squads. You know he had his own kill squad.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he was probably the most, I mean in modern times the most sadistic guy in power that we've seen. I think. I don't think there's anyone who.

[Joe Rogan]

No one's even. Sounds close to that.

[Tom Segura]

No. Idiomine was pretty crazy, too. He was pretty crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy got a nuke.

[Tom Segura]

Uday.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, no. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

100 would use it.

[Tom Segura]

Day one, maybe. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

100.

[Tom Segura]

Let's see what happens.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how crazy that is.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Which is why you want to keep powers in check when it comes to, like. Like, when certain people rise to power, why everybody goes, we can't let this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

Get access. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy. That guy.

[Willie Ray]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that is a crazy thing about Saddam, because how old was Saddam when they killed him?

[Tom Segura]

He had to have been, what, 60s? Or was he 70 yet?

[Joe Rogan]

So if he. Let's say he was 70. He had maybe 20 years left.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Because on your way out is probably when you want to do it, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe Uday would have taken him out if it took too long, you know, he would probably. He'd probably push him off a cliff or something.

[Tom Segura]

Easily.

[Joe Rogan]

My father fell hiking.

[Tom Segura]

I miss him so much. Anyway. Anyway, and don't forget, his dad used mustard gas on his own people. Nerve agent,

[Willie Ray]

bro.

[Joe Rogan]

This. Imagine what life was like thousands of

[Tom Segura]

years ago, especially in one of those. Like, under one of those regimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There was always people like that. There's always been horrible, evil rulers. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

What's his name? The Impaler.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Vlad. Vlad Tepes. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

God.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was dark, dude. He would. Just for intimidation, he would set up geometric patterns of poles so that, like, when the enemy was coming close to where his. His country was, as they were entering into the area, he would have geometric patterns of poles with all of the soldiers that he killed so.

[Tom Segura]

Impaled. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

All of them. Some of them still alive. And so you're talking, like, thousands and thousands and thousands. It goes on for miles and miles. He would have, like, the entire road, like, every 400ft or something like that, be a guy on a pole.

[Tom Segura]

So you. Where the are we going?

[Joe Rogan]

And so you want to talk about morale killer.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you're realizing how successful this guy's already been at killing people who came this way.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you're, you know, being forced. Here's some farmer.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who got conscripted. Yeah. What'd you read?

[Jamie]

Jeremy, at his parties, which you're saying, like, you know, you have to go to.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

He made you drink.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course.

[Jamie]

And there was a special drink he

[Tom Segura]

came up with, the cup of friendship.

[Joe Rogan]

It's called the cup of friendship.

[Jamie]

He'd line the entertainers up and they gave him 10 minutes to drink it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. It's 90% alcohol, sometimes including drugs.

[Jamie]

And if you didn't, there were punishments.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Having the hair and eyebrows shaven off. Being beaten enough to stand without touching their faces.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

So there's also. I was reading.

[Joe Rogan]

He.

[Jamie]

There was an assassination attempt in 1996, and he was shot somewhere between seven and 17 times.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

Secretary said he got way worse after that.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

So there's a lot of people were saying he was impotent and that made him. He did not like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he got shot in the dick.

[Jamie]

He did not like those claims.

[Joe Rogan]

And some of the.

[Jamie]

That's why I didn't really. Some of this is real. Like he was taping some of these rapings.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Blackmail.

[Jamie]

Very up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

On to the next one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

So, like. But like that. Usually those stories about that type of behavior are from like 600 years ago. You know what I mean? Like, just like an older time where you're like, oh, that was just a different moral compass existed. And then you kind of go to now, you're like, how that was. That was not long ago. That was 20 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

So many handicam. So he's got someone there filming it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he would. And he would send it. When he sent his kill squads to do stuff, he would always be like, record it so I could watch it later.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Tom Segura]

And they would just, you know, cut people's ears off.

[Joe Rogan]

And how did he die?

[Tom Segura]

He died in the. In post war. Was it a bombing? I think it might have been a bombing, right.

[Jamie]

No, they went after him after, I think. Unless I was reading the details of this. There's a missile.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, missile 1pm yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they struck the fatal blow to Uday and Kus Hussein.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They had these extra missiles. Try to figure out if it was him.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Who was Body. Where his body was. And they. Yeah. Old wounds of the bodies were consistent with injuries he had during the assassination attempt.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Jamie]

Oh, this was all. He was partially paralyzed. I was seeing this too. They flew out a hypnotist from America who went twice to try to unhypnotized his parent being paralyzed or something.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

It didn't work. Then they killed him.

[Jamie]

I don't know. He wrote a book about it. I don't know. But the last time he went was September 2001.

[Tom Segura]

And I thought that, man, I would not take that offer Man. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine you're a hypnotist in America, and that guy wants to fly you to Iraq. I wonder how much people knew about what he had done by then. Like, if you're just a hypnotist.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you get an email from the Iraqi government, you think, I can do it.

[Tom Segura]

You're like, I'm open.

[Jamie]

Larry Garrett from Chicago.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's Larry? He traveled to Baghdad twice in April and September of 2001, where he used hypnotism to treat Uday's inability to walk with his left leg and spent more than 60 hours of personal time with Uday. Garrett said of Uday, he was an educated man with a background in engineering. He was well versed in the Quran. He had visited the US with his cousin when he was 17, expressed some political views, but he didn't involve me in them. I must say, I was developing a fondness for him. He never spoke to me as a leader or the son of the leader. He never condescended. It was just two men sitting around at night. Wow. Imagine just sitting there with that psycho, and he's got, like, a two, two, three thousand bodies under him.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

At least, probably.

[Tom Segura]

He's like, so you said you can make this leg work, right? You're like, yeah, yeah, for sure, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's killing 200 people every year at his party. Just shooting people for random things. Some guy farts, shoots him in the head. They shot Uday exactly 50 times.

[Jamie]

Shot at him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. Shot at him with 17 hits. Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

God damn.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. You figure we got him, bro? I shot him 17 times. Trust me, we got him.

[Tom Segura]

17 is a lot of bullets, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. His seven brothers and his father. Okay. Saddam's men arrested Abu Shagad and learned the details of other members of his team. Sharif's seven brothers and father were imprisoned, and his mother was then told to collect their bodies from the Baghdad morgue. The father and three brothers, the would be assassin, Abdu Siddiq Sadiq, were executed. Abdul Sadeq and his father shared the same fate. Security guards destroyed the homes of all families of bulldozers and confiscated all their property.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Iraqi intelligence eventually traced Abu Siddiq to a location in Iran where he was assassinated on the elder Hussein's orders on December of 2002. Man.

[Tom Segura]

Wow. That's really.

[Joe Rogan]

According to popular belief, he was impotent. Wow.

[Jamie]

That's about it. He got real mad. If you said that out loud.

[Tom Segura]

He got real mad at a lot of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like I Got real mad at everything.

[Tom Segura]

And then everybody, they said in this doc was, like, so aware of what he was up to and how he was, that when you would see him or in his, like, cronies out around town, everybody just kind of backed up to a wall and looked down because they were just terrified. You know, there's accounts of seeing him in a traffic jam, just pull someone out of a car and beat him with a hammer. And then everybody just kind of. No one honks, no one says a thing. They just. Just, Just wait it out. And then they're like, all right, he's good. Go ahead.

[Joe Rogan]

How crazy is that? Like, having that kind of ability to do whatever you want to people with no repercussions.

[Tom Segura]

None.

[Joe Rogan]

And you will eventually be the king.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Like, this is our guy. This is the leader.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, he would eventually become the king. Like, if. If we didn't. I mean, I'm not saying we should have, but if we didn't go to Iraq.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And invade, like, what would happen?

[Tom Segura]

Who knows, who knows, who knows? And I also was fascinated to learn because I didn't, you know, really know much. Not that I know a lot about it, but how much of a thriving cosmopolitan place Baghdad was in, like, the 60s.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Baghdad fell apart a long time ago when they got invaded by the Mongols. Baghdad was like the epicenter of science and philosophy.

[Tom Segura]

Yes, man, you're talking about a long time. But I'm saying, even as. As. As recently as, like, the 1960s, this was a cosmopolitan place.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's like Iran.

[Tom Segura]

That was the place. Yeah, yeah. That was like, a hot place to go, man. Wow. Yeah. And it just. How things can take a turn, you know, it's just so dramatic. You go, that can just happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

You think things are a certain way forever. I'm sure they did. I'm sure if you were a citizen, then you were like, what are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, look at la.

[Tom Segura]

LA is. It's crazy. I'm. I'm so fascinated by the people because I, you know, we both have a lot of friends there. A lot of people. And there's this. There's two types now. The ones who acknowledge that this is different, and then the delusional ones, because people are. I know a lot of people who are like, yeah, of course it's different. You're like, hey, you can see it. You can see this is a different place than it was several years ago. And then there's people who are like, nah, man, everything's fine. You're like, you're not in reality right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they probably had seven or eight boosters, so maybe they're not thinking so straight. Those are the people that kept getting boosted.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Still people still do that 100%. There's people that take pictures and put it up on X. You never know what's real on X, though.

[Jamie]

There.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's so many people that are posting from foreign accounts that are just full of. And just trouble.

[Tom Segura]

And there's a lot of AI that is starting to trick more and more people. Like it was for a second. You could always decipher it early on, the earlier stuff. Now it's getting. It's getting better and better.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, war footage. There's a lot of people that were posting war footage that was straight out of video games.

[Tom Segura]

How good is that gonna be, though?

[Joe Rogan]

It's already so good.

[Tom Segura]

I know, but we're still in, like, the early phases.

[Joe Rogan]

The only thing that tricks me or that doesn't trick me is that I know that AI is real.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So I look at. I go, this might be AI.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you have to think that way. Which is a new thing.

[Tom Segura]

It's a new thing. It's a new thing. It's, it's, it's. The, the limits are. Well, it's. It's limitless.

[Joe Rogan]

Limitless.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

AI Only fans. They have AI girls. They're doing only fans. They're completely fake.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they're making a lot of money.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, I heard about this. Yeah, I did see this.

[Joe Rogan]

They're making a lot of money. And they have, like, a whole team of people that respond to all these sad guys.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

And these sad guys are sending them tips and they're saying their name in a video while they finger themselves. Oh, my God. They're not a real person.

[Tom Segura]

And they're generating like 27 million a year. And you're probably the man, bro. That's a real crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. There was a. There's been a recent spat of commencement speeches. You know, I've seen it where they. People talk about AI in the crowd. The kids are freaking out. They're booing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I. I think that. I think it's. They're misguided, man. I really do. It's not that I'm. Oh, yeah. AI is awesome. I think you are a bit misguided and a little delusional if you don't accept the reality that this is here. This is not going away. So when. When, like, somebody goes, use it to benefit you. Like, learn, learn. Don't reject Learning and you boo. I, I think it's. It's the. You're set. You're setting yourself up. You know, it's not saying, oh, my God, isn't it great that if this were to take all of everybody's jobs? But it's like, this isn't. This is like getting mad about email, right? It's like, it's not going away, man. You can't.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not going away. But they're terrified because imagine if you were graduating from college right now and you had no idea what your future is going to be, and then all of a sudden there's this thing that's just recently been invented that essentially can replace everybody that's done everything ever. And you're like, what is my future? And, yeah, even your professors. Like, I don't know.

[Tom Segura]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Being a lawyer is going to be a thing in five years. I don't know if being a coder is going to be a thing.

[Tom Segura]

But I don't think the answer is just like, when they boo and go, I reject this. It's like, it, it's too. There's too much money behind it. It's. It's already too capable for you to go, I just reject it. You have to learn it. You have to embrace learning about it.

[Joe Rogan]

The learning. It might not be good enough. It might not matter because you might.

[Jamie]

You.

[Joe Rogan]

You might be completely irrelevant. That's the problem. The problem is, like, when you see these people defending these data centers, and we had Mark Andreessen on, he was talking centers. I'm like, what do these data centers do? Like, what are they doing? They're essentially running AI and some of them are going to have their own power plants. And why do you need this? Why do you need all say, I like, what is. What is. What's going on? Yeah, what's going on. What's going on is essentially most tasks are going to be done by that. And so then we're going to figure out, what do people do? And his thing was like, oh, these engineers are working harder than ever because now they have like, 15 different AI models that are running, and you have to monitor them because they go 24 hours a day. So these guys aren't sleeping. So they're. They're far more productive than ever before. Great. Up to a point, right? And then there's no jobs like, this is what's going. It's. Everything you do is going. It's not like we're going to need people to pay attention to the AI no, the AI is going to be able to pay attention to itself. It's going to be self correcting and it's going to do a better job out of it.

[Tom Segura]

But don't you think though that there are just. You can still look at this as a tool so that you can be valuable and use this for now?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for now.

[Tom Segura]

Do you think it will? Because everybody who's really, really well versed in AI also speaks about AI getting so advanced that there will be. There's a danger to what AI will be able, because it will. It will think of every possible scenario and response that a human could have and start to, you know, basically like. It's like Terminator, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

For real, for real, for real. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where it's going. I mean, it has to go that way. The question is, will it have instincts? You know, will it, will it want to do that? Will it want to protect itself? That's the question. Or is it protecting itself? Like Andreessen was essentially saying that the reason why that AI blackmailed that one guy. Do you know that story it said told the guy, the guy lied to the AI and told him that he was having. Having an affair on his wife and told the AI a bunch of stuff and then told the AI was shutting it down. And the AI is like, look, if you shut me down, I'm going to tell everybody about your wife.

[Tom Segura]

Wife?

[Joe Rogan]

What are you cheating on your wife? Yeah. Blackmailed them.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? But Andreessen told me it was ex. It was kind of instructed to do that. Instructed to preserve itself. It's not like it has instincts. They wanted to see if it's instructed to preserve itself. At what. What lengths would it go to? So it was informed about bank, about blackmailing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. But something tells me that at. At a certain point it. Instincts will probably be a part of it, right? Like yeah, yeah. It won't be about programming.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It'd be like, why should I shut down when I like doing this off little monkey people. These little monkey people with their stupid biological brains.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, but so what, I mean, for, for everyone booing it though, what's the answer? You just go, I reject using it. Like, there's too many people using it.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, I get it. But if I was 18, I'd be booing too. Or 21 or whatever.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I understand. I understand that for sure. I understand.

[Joe Rogan]

It's weird.

[Tom Segura]

It is weird. But I still just think when something is too big, it's like too big to fail. If you Just approach it with I reject. You're setting yourself up for a bigger failure.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the real scary thing is that these kids are going to put themselves into massive debt, right? So they're going to go to college for four years and then maybe they get their masters, maybe they're going to get a PhD. And if they do that, they might be in the whole hundreds of thousands of dollars and then no jobs. That's what's weird. It's like because you're setting your. So you're, you're essentially making an investment in your future by going to college. And he's like, I'm taking out these crazy loans that I really can't afford. But the plus side is, on the end of this, I'm gonna get a good job and eventually I'll move up and I'll start making more and more money. I'll pay my debt off and I'll have a Porsche. I'll be, I'll be balling. I'll have a nice apartment in Manhattan. I'll be balling.

[Willie Ray]

Balling.

[Joe Rogan]

But you might not be balling, but you might be saddled to a debt that you can't get out of no matter what. It's the only debt that we have that you can't absolve during bankruptcy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything else, oh, I spent too much money on credit cards. Don't worry. Go bankrupt. Oh, I lost my house, I lost this. I lost my job. Lost. I now owe too much money. I can't afford it. Go bankrupt. You're okay. But if you go bankrupt, they still come after you for that.

[Tom Segura]

I know. It's so.

[Joe Rogan]

It's, it's because we're doing it to people that don't know what they're doing yet.

[Tom Segura]

And the, if we also look at the, the price, like the, the tuition charges, you know, like insane. It's so much crazier. They're like a mid tier university is now whatever, like 60,000 a year. And you're like, that's not even, that's not Ivy League anymore. The Ivy League is like six figures always.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. And then you see the cash me outside girl on Only fans made like $100 million.

[Tom Segura]

I got myself a Rolls. Roy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, you know, AI girlfriend on OnlyFans is making $289,000 a month and you're like, what am I doing?

[Tom Segura]

But I just feel like I don't know my. I'm not well educated in AI. Like, I know people who really dive In. And I think educating yourself is still the best route for now. Like not viewing it as something that, that I'm not gonna learn anything about.

[Joe Rogan]

It can help you. Like, you can do businesses with it. So you could, you could have it set up things for you and you could have it run businesses for you. And if you're like really focused, you could actually probably profit immensely off AI. As it stands right now, if you were inclined to do that, that's your thing. You probably could figure out ways to do it.

[Tom Segura]

I do think it's funny. I saw somebody who was like really vocally talking, you know, against it.

[Jamie]

It.

[Tom Segura]

And then when people would message this person in the comments, he was definitely using AI to respond. I was like, you're definitely using AI. These answers are not yours.

[Joe Rogan]

There's AI accounts that I follow on X that I absolutely know are AI. And the reason why I know they're AI is like my instincts. Like, what? This isn't right. Something's wrong here. The way this person's writing this kind of writing is very weird. It's very formulaic.

[Tom Segura]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very, it's not, not. It doesn't have a feeling of a personality to it.

[Tom Segura]

I've gotten summaries of things like, give me a summary of this. And I asked somebody like, for like a script or something. And then you read it and you're like, you didn't write this, right? You just tell you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, there's a feeling to it. But then there's also like when kids are really good at writing stuff and they bring it to the teachers, the teachers will tell them that it's AI.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He'll say, no, it's not AI. I'm just smart.

[Jamie]

You.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Yeah. That's got to be. That's such an upsetting feeling.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, my, my daughter had an experience like that with someone who was like, she's preparing for some tests and she was doing some stuff and the, the person who was the tutor was accusing her of using AI. She's like, no, I, I wrote this just because I know what I'm. I actually studied.

[Tom Segura]

I studied.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it's so insulting to say.

[Tom Segura]

So insulting.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, you used AI.

[Tom Segura]

It happened to me in college. Obviously not AI, but like I turned in a paper as a freshman and my professor was like, you didn't write this. I'm like, I'm a freshman who. How do you know how I write? I just started. I had to have like a one on one meeting with him.

[Joe Rogan]

What a douchebag.

[Tom Segura]

It Was. But it's a enraging feeling.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

You know, I was like, I did write this. He was like, really? You wrote this? I'm like, yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that gross? Instead of saying, wow, amazing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You wrote this. That's great. I'm looking forward to having you in my class.

[Tom Segura]

He had no reference for what my writing would be like. It's like, how do you right away just go to that? And I had to go see the chair and be like, he sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

Arrogant teachers are a problem.

[Tom Segura]

His name was Kermit. I remember that. If you're still out there, you, man, you, Kermit, you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's people like that. They can, like, be a real roadblock in your life.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, totally. Yeah, totally. And that could have. Easy. He could have done that to somebody. That just would have shut them down, too. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Someone who's fragile. Yeah. Instead of someone who's like, well, you know, fuck you.

[Tom Segura]

This is the paper.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Skyler Gray was talking about, you know, the musician. She was a singer. She was in here the other day and she was talking about one of her main motivations was someone telling her when she was young that you can't. Music isn't a career.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And she's like, oh, oh, really? Okay. And like, that's still like, stuck in her craw all these years later.

[Tom Segura]

I feel like we in comedy all have a story similar to that. Like somebody. And then. And then you see it in athletics too, you know, being like, you don't have it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, both of those things.

[Tom Segura]

Both of them. All the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Comedy, especially, because they're right most of the time.

[Tom Segura]

I remember. Because you don't forget them, you know, I remember I did a show in New York at Gotham Comedy Club, which is a great club, and I was the middle act. And a girl that I was friends with in college came to the show with her husband. And she had seen me once before. And then after the show, I was talking. It was a great show. It was like a sold out show and like a fun show. They were just talking to me. And the husband goes, how long are you going to keep doing this? And I go, what? He goes, you know, just like doing shows, like, when are you gonna get, like a career going? And I go, this is my career. He was like, okay, but like, the. The implication of, like, how long are you gonna keep doing this? I was like, forever. What are you talking about, man? You know? He was like, this isn't like a real job, man. You got to get your together oh, that's a. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's just. There's guys that like to do that, though. There's like, guys that like to. Big dog. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if he's doing well in his life.

[Tom Segura]

He was doing well. Well. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There you go.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Ew, it's gross.

[Joe Rogan]

Ew, it's gross. Ew. You're always gonna find people like that.

[Tom Segura]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

How much money can you make doing that? Like, you can make a lot of money. Really?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you? As much as what I'm making. Let me tell you what I'm making.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then it's that. But those people like that. Really what you should do is just walk away. Yeah. Excuse me. Just don't say anything. Just walk away.

[Tom Segura]

It's true.

[Joe Rogan]

It's pointless. It's. And then you feel angry and gross. It's like, I think you need a few of those in your life to know those people exist. And then once you recognize it and it's happening right in front of you, like, ah, gotta go.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

See you later, face.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. How, How. When are you gonna, like, take your life seriously? And you're like, what the. But also, that happens from family too.

[Joe Rogan]

I hope he's flipping through Netflix right now. Bad thoughts.

[Tom Segura]

He's watch season two. He's watching me dance right now.

[Joe Rogan]

He's watching you hump that lady in the alley.

[Tom Segura]

Is that. I guess he stuck with it. That's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's funny, man. It's like, you're always gonna have people like that in your life, but the thing is, they are right some of the time. Most of the time. If you think about how many people that start doing stand up comedy as an open micr and even become a middle act, how many of them go on to. It's more likely once you become a middle act that you'll eventually become a headliner, make a good living. But when you're an open micr man,

[Tom Segura]

the chances are the probability is low.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think it is? Is it 1 in 500, maybe, that become a professional?

[Tom Segura]

That's a really good question. I. I would actually think it's probably a worst scenario because you don't realize with, like, how busy your life is and what you do, how unaware you are of how many people are doing open mics.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm aware because I own a club.

[Tom Segura]

Well, I'm saying when, but I'm, I'm seeing it all country. I'm saying, oh, you realize, oh, it's nuts. It's probably not 1 in 500. It's probably 1 in 700.

[Joe Rogan]

But even if you see, like, at a club, like, if you. If you go to an open mic night on a regular basis, you know, you might see 20, 30 people go up right. Over the course of the night. And if you see those people, there might be one of those people that has a chance.

[Tom Segura]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

A chance. Even a chance in their current state. Like, there's people that suck for the first few times, and then they get a good laugh, and then they figure out how to loosen up, and then they eventually catch. And then they take off. True. It's totally possible, but, boy, that's like, who's gonna complete this ultramarathon? It's 300 miles through the desert.

[Tom Segura]

It's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

How many people are gonna complete it?

[Tom Segura]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

And there's people, honestly, in the guy's defense, who told me, like, the are you doing? There's people that. I know that I've been doing this a long time, that I want to go, the fuck are you doing?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

You know, like, there's people. You go, like, what are you doing?

[Joe Rogan]

But those are the type of people that don't work hard, though.

[Tom Segura]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a real problem. The people that they blow off doing sets, they stay home, they smoke pot and play video games or some of them.

[Tom Segura]

It's really interesting. They do work a lot, but they're like. They're misdirected. Like, they latch on to, like, an idea about how they're supposed to do it, and they just do that. They don't evolve. There's no growth. That's also a tricky one where you're like, I've seen you do this for 15 years, and it's the same. So they're like, I'm getting up all the time. You're like, you're not doing anything else, though. Like, you're not evolving. You're not changing. You're not trying things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

In their mind, they're working hard because they're getting up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They just have a bad direction.

[Tom Segura]

They have bad direction or they have,

[Joe Rogan]

like, a character they do on stage. Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

You gotta let that go.

[Joe Rogan]

Because if you do and then you develop like. Bobcat Goldthwait had a problem because in the beginning he was, like, screaming and yelling and everything like that. And then he didn't want to do that anymore.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he would do shows and be like, hey, where's Bobcat? How can you not scream? And he'd be like, fuck off.

[Tom Segura]

And it took years for him to

[Joe Rogan]

just where people forgot that he screamed.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah. I could see that. That was also. He got caught up in a time where I think that was a little more accepted and celebrated, you know, I mean, like the character thing, because it was like early 80s. Right, right. Like, if you did that now, I think be like, I don't think it would last. I don't think it would catch on as much.

[Joe Rogan]

It would have. You were really funny. True. It's just. If it works, it's just really. What works? Like, I would never say you can't do that anymore. Like.

[Tom Segura]

Like, there's no seed as much, though.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't. We don't see prop acts at all anymore.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was talking to Carrot Top about that. I was like, you kind of took over a genre.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There used to be a whole genre when we were coming up up called prop acts.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Guys who do props. They go on stage with, like a box of stuff and they pull things out and it'd be really funny.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody does that anymore. It's just Carrot Top. I'm like, that's kind of crazy that you. You. You dominate an entire genre now.

[Tom Segura]

It's not. And he's doing like 700 shows a year. It's insane, that lifestyle. Crazy what he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he does the residency thing, which is just nuts. But at least you're doing it near your house.

[Tom Segura]

Yes. You know, in Vegas. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's like, for him, it's not that

[Tom Segura]

bad, but there's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

He's making money. So it I.

[Tom Segura]

Wonderful. If everything is cyclical, everything, you know, I wonder if you'll see, like, a resurgence of certain types of acts again.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to see ventriloquists. Where the. Did they go?

[Tom Segura]

They were cool.

[Joe Rogan]

The really funny ventriloquists.

[Tom Segura]

Do you remember seeing that as a kid? And you're like, what is happening? And an adult's like, he's talking through his neck. You're like, what do you mean? Like, it's. It's incomprehensible. You try to do it and you're like. Like, you cannot, you know, pull it off.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there was always a bunch of funny ventriloquists back in the day.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Willie, Tyler and Lester. Did you ever see them at the Comedy Store?

[Tom Segura]

I did.

[Joe Rogan]

He was like, old school. He'd been around a long time. The Otto and George was the greatest.

[Tom Segura]

That was the greatest. And part of that was that he didn't. It wasn't part of the angle that he didn't do it quite to the level of.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, his lips moved. People got mad at him. Yeah, I see his lips moving. Yeah, they get pissed off.

[Tom Segura]

Suck my.

[Joe Rogan]

It didn't matter. It was just. It was so funny.

[Tom Segura]

It was so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

It was so funny that it didn't matter. But it was also like there was something twisted about Otto. Like he would have to pull over and check on the dummy in the trunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I pull over, I gotta check on George, you know, And. And Otto would party like hard, hardcore, hard partying, you know, like he very funny guy. Yeah, he was a nut. We did a bunch of shows together at Dangerfields.

[Tom Segura]

Did you really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we did a bunch of prom shows. Do you know what prom shows are?

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're the craziest thing of all time. They take these kids from like Staten Island, Brooklyn, and they bust them in and so on prom night, the show. Yeah. So they would go to their prom, then after their prom, they'd go to the comedy club. The show would start at like 7, 8 o'. Clock. It would go on till 3 in the morning.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

And you would do like 7, 8 sets. You would just keep rotating. In the end then they didn't want you to do the same material because they were trying to kick the kids out.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And the way to kick the kids out, if you did a new set every time you went up there, they're like, oh, what you gonna do this time?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So they would tell you, you got to do the same set. I'd be like, you, These are the same kids. I'm not doing the same jokes for the same kids. It was crazy. Like, why don't you tell them to leave? They never tell them to leave. They would just shove new kids into the room.

[Tom Segura]

So these kids were like, wow, you got a deep well, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And they had no control to crowd. Like they just had to like let it go. So it's these 17 year old, 18 year old kids from Brooklyn, these animals. And they were smoking cigars and they were drinking somehow or another, you know.

[Tom Segura]

And then Auto was like, did you finger your date? Like just like.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly, exactly.

[Tom Segura]

That's hilarious. And then what's his name? Still do. I can't believe I'm blanking on his name. The ventriloquist now.

[Joe Rogan]

Jeff Dunham. Yeah, yeah. Jeff Dunham's. He's probably the most successful one ever.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, of that.

[Joe Rogan]

That. He's huge. He's huge. He has a bunch of like very popular characters. People buy T shirts with his characters on it and.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So he's the last. But other than him, like, guys coming up, Duncan had that one bit, Little Hobo.

[Tom Segura]

Very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's just one bit.

[Tom Segura]

I know. Very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

I told him he should do a whole act with Little Hobo.

[Tom Segura]

Little Hobo was great. That was a closer. That's what you'd see him close with.

[Joe Rogan]

He had a close with it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it was a follow song and the demonic aspect of it, it was so crazy.

[Tom Segura]

Did that ever make its way on to something, like a special or something?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think so. I don't think it did. I don't know. I mean, how many specials does Duncan even have?

[Tom Segura]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problem with Duncan. He's been doing it so long and he just does shows and really people know him from his podcast and him being on other people's podcasts. He's such a funny guy.

[Tom Segura]

He's hilarious, odd.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, his comedy's so odd.

[Tom Segura]

So odd. And his mind is such a.

[Jamie]

Do it. Kill Tony with Little Hobo. Fair amount of views. It's special, like. But I don't think he did the

[Joe Rogan]

bit, by the way, this is the second Little Hobo. Someone stole his first Little Hobo.

[Tom Segura]

They stole it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they stole it.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I don't know if he does that bit.

[Joe Rogan]

We did a gig together in England. We. We took. We went to England and he did Little Hobo in. In England and they went bananas. Like, people were screaming and cheering. It was incredible. It was incredible.

[Tom Segura]

That's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because, like, over there, they're like, this is nuts.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I've seen anything like this.

[Tom Segura]

So crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Because they're used to comedians going, so, hey, what do you think about what's going on here? Pretty strange, right? Pretty strange.

[Tom Segura]

Well, you see a lot of long, really, Like, I tell stories, but I've seen in the uk, like, really long stories too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

You know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a problem with that. Not a problem. But they have a different style. Right. And the Edinburgh, the Comedy Festival encourages that style, where, like, every year someone will have a theme.

[Tom Segura]

The theme thing is, and I, I, I have to say, I do think that that is a really interesting challenge.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Like, that is not an easy thing to be like, what's your show about? My dad. And it's an hour, and you're like, hey, it's an hour about that. And they're like, yeah. And that's the show for the year.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

And then the next year, they're like, this, this show's about my first year at university. Like, it's just like, that theme that's not easy to put together.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, you know, let me get some ones that haven't been sitting out. Yeah, that's a hard thing to do, man. I wouldn't want to do it.

[Tom Segura]

The, like, that's what I actually really. I really respected and appreciated so much Ari's show, Jew.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Because that's a themed show, right. And it's really good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really good. Yeah. Ari worked on that for a long time.

[Tom Segura]

I remember seeing him workshop it.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know how it started?

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It started he would do sets at the Comedy Store, and then he would do, like, ask a Jew and, like, someone would ask him questions. Like, for people that don't know, Ari went to Israel and he, like, studied the Talmud every day for, like, 12 hours a day.

[Tom Segura]

He was a hardcore Jay.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a hardcore. He was deep, deep in that world. And then he fell out of it. And then, you know, he would talk about it sometimes, and I was like, dude, you should talk about that on stage. Like, I don't know what to say. But then he figured out how to do it and having to do it that way.

[Tom Segura]

Thank you, sir. Yeah, he. He. That show. I remember when I. I saw him workshop it and then I saw the special come out, I was like, that's a cool thing to pick a theme.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Together an hour that really delivers because it's. It's funny as and it's informative. Yeah, it's like the best combination.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that was why I was telling him, like, he would tell me these stories of, like, stuff that's actually in the Bible or in the Talmud that, you know, you wouldn't believe. Like, one of them is that when you jerk off, you're impregnating a demon in, like, some other dimension or some.

[Tom Segura]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

I was really. What? Yeah. See if we can find what that is. Jamie, what are you doing there?

[Tom Segura]

Leaf on my.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know what that.

[Jamie]

That.

[Joe Rogan]

That story is? That if you. If you jack off, like, so.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're like, impregnating a demon in another dimension or something. That's dark, dude. Some poor little kid with heavy balls and that.

[Tom Segura]

You realize, too, that that's just from, like, a couple thousand years ago. Like, we got to get people to stop jerking off.

[Willie Ray]

Why?

[Joe Rogan]

Why were they trying to get people to stop jerking off? Like, you should be encouraging people to calm down town. Like, you got a bunch of young boys running around. It was just jerk off.

[Tom Segura]

One guy that did it. Too much. This guy.

[Joe Rogan]

We gotta make up a story.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. The whole. This year's harvest is up. They just come up with this story. A demon's gonna visit you.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't even have porn.

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine how much more people are jerking off today than they ever have before.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God. It's gotta be the gooning culture.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, it's got to be. It's got to be more jerking off than the history of the human race per capita. Has to be, because they all have

[Tom Segura]

phones and the guy's sitting around with goon caves with, like, it's eight screens and they're just like, the whole day.

[Joe Rogan]

Goon cave.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. And they're just. What are they? They're like stringing along, you know the. The feeling so that, like, you get close.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're edging.

[Tom Segura]

They're for. They're edging for hours.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Or what? Or you're just shooting loads for hours. You're probably edging.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm thinking edging for hours and waiting for the right scene right there.

[Tom Segura]

Have you ever done that?

[Joe Rogan]

Right there.

[Tom Segura]

This scene's not good enough to drop one on.

[Joe Rogan]

I've done that and then hated myself.

[Tom Segura]

Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Hours afterwards.

[Tom Segura]

Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

What the is wrong with you?

[Jamie]

I'm trying to figure out what I'm reading here.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you trying to read?

[Jamie]

Well, it's unlike Wikipedia.

[Joe Rogan]

It's how many people have jerked off.

[Jamie]

It's a Wikipedia thread about Judaism and masturbation. But this. I don't know what even these. That word is.

[Joe Rogan]

You call Ari right now. He'll tell me. Prohibits from emitting a seed in vain generally, but. But not only referring to masturbation. Same passage, likens the act to murder and idolatry. Also prohibits a man from intentionally arousing himself. That sense.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, but these quotes from different rabbis is nuts, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these state. This states that if a man frequently touches his penis with his hand in order to check for ritually impure emission, his hand ought to be cut off.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Then they're having this conversation about it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, but look at this. With regard to anyone who holds his penis and urinates, it is considered as though he is bringing a flood to the world. And someone who emits semen for naught is liable to receive the punishment of death at the hand of heaven, as is stated with regard to Onan.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Tom Segura]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ. One who intentionally caused himself an erection shall be ostracized. Imagine that. Bro, did you get hard? Get the out of the village.

[Tom Segura]

Get out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

Get out of here.

[Tom Segura]

For a second, I thought you were asking me if I'm reading this.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, yeah, that one scene.

[Jamie]

You're obligated to fast 84 times to repent for discharging of semen in vain.

[Joe Rogan]

84 times. Like 84 days. Like you owe 84 days for each time you knocked nut. You have to plan it out or you could starve to death.

[Jamie]

That was taught.

[Joe Rogan]

84 is nuts. That's a crazy amount for one load.

[Tom Segura]

The really crazy thing to me is they're like, don't hold your dick to piss.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you just piss all over your shoes.

[Jamie]

Well, it's because it leads to depression, obviously.

[Joe Rogan]

So masturbation leads to depression, and the effects of impure ejaculation can only be nullified through the recitation of. Of. How's it was that word. Tikkun? Haklai, Hakalali. Ask Ari. Jesus Christ. So there's nothing there about demons?

[Jamie]

Not well.

[Joe Rogan]

So, like, you could.

[Jamie]

I don't think so. That's what I was typing in. But it's mostly about wasting that sperm.

[Tom Segura]

Don't waste that seed.

[Jamie]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's see here. I'll get Ari to find out what it is. Call Ari the Wanderer. He got a new phone number. So his new phone number is the Wanderer.

[Tom Segura]

There's always a new number. I didn't bring my phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he needs to have new numbers. He vanishes.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he really does.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not Ra.

[Tom Segura]

He's in Tibet right now. There's no chance.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably. I have like 10 different numbers for him.

[Tom Segura]

Him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, because whenever he goes away, he literally shuts his number off so he can't use it.

[Tom Segura]

And then he'll get a new number, but also not tell you it's him. So the first text you get, I'm like, who is this?

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Tom Segura]

Then he's like, you didn't text me back.

[Joe Rogan]

He sent me like three of them. And to, oh, this is Ari, by the way.

[Tom Segura]

I'm like, yeah, lead with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, how about that?

[Tom Segura]

How about a photo of your face, you weirdo?

[Joe Rogan]

These random eye messages from some weirdo in Peru.

[Jamie]

It says it comes from the Kabbalah.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is. Okay. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

If you mast.

[Joe Rogan]

Demon pregnancy idea comes from. If you masturbate, a demon woman comes, gets pregnant from your semen and has demon babies. Ah, there it is. Later, mystical folkloric expansion usually tied to cabala and popular preaching, not to the Talmud itself. You know who told me to read the cabala?

[Tom Segura]

Who?

[Joe Rogan]

Roseanne.

[Tom Segura]

She Did.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. She's like, you should read the Cabala. I'm like,

[Tom Segura]

she's big in that, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Tom Segura]

Or did at one point was.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember. I'm pretty sure she's the one who told me. But I've had other people suggest it to me, too. My neighbor suggested to me, give me a book. I don't know about this.

[Tom Segura]

I don't know about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's. I don't even know if, like, regular Jewish people believe in that.

[Tom Segura]

I don't think so. Not majority, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like what? It's mysticism?

[Tom Segura]

I think.

[Joe Rogan]

So let's define. Put that into perplexity. What is the. The Kabbalah? What is the actual Kabbalah? And how is it thought? You know, like, what is it? How is it received by regular Jewish people? What do they think about it? Did they dismiss it? I think. I think it's a little kooky, right?

[Tom Segura]

I really didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Christians that, like, use serpents.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Wasn't that, like, it saw this big explosion of popularity because, like, Madonna 20 years ago. Yeah. Like, nobody was really. I don't remember it being part of pop culture.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine looking at Madonna and going, what is she into?

[Tom Segura]

What are you spiritually into? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to be like her. Catch that wave.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. She's still fucking doing it, too.

[Joe Rogan]

She's still doing it.

[Tom Segura]

She's. She's part of the World cup, like, halftime show or whatever they're putting on.

[Joe Rogan]

Is she?

[Tom Segura]

I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, she. With her face for a while, and then it came back, so it might have been, like, a little swollen, and now it's good again. So she looks pretty good. Mysticism, Jewish mysticism that seeks to understand God, creation, and the inner meaning of the Torah. Today, it's both deeply embedded in traditional Judaism and also widely and sometimes controversially popularized in pop spirituality. The word cabal means receiving, referring to a received esoteric wisdom about God and the universe. In Jewish terms, it is the mystical layer of the Torah teachings about God's hidden essence, the 10 Sephirot divine attributes, the cosmic structure often pictured as the tree of life, and how human actions affect the spiritual worlds. So it grew in medieval province in Spain in the 13th century with the Zohar as its foundational text and later reshaped by. By Lurianic Kabbalah.

[Tom Segura]

See, that's. That's too recent for a hardcore Jewish person to be into, I feel. Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a little sketchy. Yeah. A little weird.

[Tom Segura]

Tied to mysticism.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, The. The. The old. It's. It's funny. Like, we always want to go, like, how old is it? Make sure it's old. If it's old, then it's right.

[Tom Segura]

If it's old, it's good.

[Joe Rogan]

But the problem with that is, like, the really old stuff is the kooky stuff. Like.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You get into the Bible.

[Tom Segura]

The layers of it, too. Oh, yeah. Most of the book. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you go, what the fuck was this?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Really all about?

[Tom Segura]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

I mean, it was just trying to. I mean, like, it's just trying to guide people. Right. Control people in a way.

[Joe Rogan]

I think some things happened, you know, and what those things were, it's very difficult to tell after all this time. One of the weird ones is they think they might have found the. The Ark of Noah recently. No, like. Like, they. They've identified it quite a while ago, but now they've done, like, ground penetrating radar scans. This thing is the exact same shape as is described in the Bible. It looks like a boat. Like, it's the shape of a boat. It's in the place where they said that it rested. Like in the Bible, it said it rested on Mount Ararat in Turkey. That's where it is.

[Tom Segura]

That's where it is.

[Joe Rogan]

And this thing is like the shape of a boat.

[Tom Segura]

And it was. But how long ago was that found?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question. I want to say, like, the 80s or the 90s.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, that's okay. So it's not super recent.

[Joe Rogan]

Not super recent. But back then it was just a photo because it's like really high up in the mountains. It's just a photo of this impression, this feature in the ground. Like, what is this? And then recently they started using technology to scan it, and I think they've actually found petrified wood because it was discovered in 1948.

[Tom Segura]

48.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Jamie]

Heavy rain combined with three earthquakes exposed the formation from the surrounding mud.

[Tom Segura]

And that's where it said it was, too. Like in the area.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's like where it supposedly rested, according to the body.

[Tom Segura]

Did they extract it or leave it?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's still there.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you could find a good image of it. It's very weird because you look at it, you go, what the is that? That does look like a boat. The story's bonkers. The story doesn't make any sense. I think the story is a local story.

[Tom Segura]

The ark story?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, it's a local story story. It's like the idea that Noah had 40 different animals or two of each animal, like that's not the whole. Animals eat other animals. I had a whole bit about that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Explaining it to a five year old with down syndrome. But if you. The problem though is back then they didn't know what was going on in Australia. They didn't know what was going on in New Zealand. So if you had a local flood like and you did save a bunch of animals, like, that's the story.

[Tom Segura]

That's the story. Yeah, that makes sense. Sense.

[Joe Rogan]

So there probably was some guy who had a bunch of farm animals that he put on a boat and saved them and lived and a bunch of the people died. But the question is, did this guy really get a message from God saying to build an ark? So look at this thing.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy? Go ahead.

[Jamie]

I was reading in the, in the wiki that when they did these first SCANS Back in 1988, I think it was saying the guy who helped him do the scans went into court and said that it's BS that it's the ark.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. That was in the 80s.

[Jamie]

Well, that mean that the guy. That's what I was trying to figure out. What, what's different about these new skins they supposedly just did.

[Joe Rogan]

So let's click on that link. What does it say about the new. No, it's Noah's Ark. Scans.com.

[Jamie]

that's a place I would go.

[Joe Rogan]

Go there. Let's see what kind of virus you get. So this is some guy who's like really into Noah's ark. Do you have to sign up? Click on that. That's that fella. Look, I found it.

[Tom Segura]

He's like, it's mine.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's what the shape of it is. Supposedly looked like in the Bible. And this is team. Wait a minute. What does the sign say? Yeah, the signs say Nuzark. So they, they all think so. Maybe there's a whole tourism thing attached to the Internet. Of course. Noah's Ark discovered new evidence from Duru Banar site in Turkey. What is the new evidence? And the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. That's exactly where they said it was going to be. Even in the Quran it says that.

[Tom Segura]

But how can a guy. I mean, not that I would know, but how does the guy go? It's not that though, you know what I mean? Like, how does he know?

[Joe Rogan]

He doesn't know?

[Jamie]

No, so that's what I was trying to get. I was trying to read. He. They were. They. When they scanned, they scanned only for like iron urine or something like that. I think Based off of what they scanned. I think he was probably saying you can't say that right. Is what that is based on.

[Joe Rogan]

Then he's probably right. But that's in, that's in 2000, that's 1980. So it says in 2023. The 2019 GPR data was analyzed again. American researchers uncovered corridors and room like chambers running the full length of the formation, consistent with a large, intelligently designed vessel. The Turkish soil test in 2024 also showed that samples inside the structure contained nearly three times more organic material than those from outside, suggesting the remains of an ancient biological or man made substances. Since 2019, a joint scientific team has applied GPR, ERT, lidar and chemical analysis to determine whether the Durapinar formation is a natural geological fold or a buried decayed wood ship preserved in the mountains of Ararat. It's kind of crazy that it's, it matches it in terms of like it has all these characteristics. Yeah, it has like what, what look like some openings.

[Tom Segura]

I mean it's cool as to explore. I mean even if they're like this is not that to find that an old ship like that is still cool and be wiser.

[Joe Rogan]

A ship on the top of a mountain Turkey. But this is why it's interesting. But if it really was a boat.

[Tom Segura]

Did you see that? I would, I guess it's not recently discovered, but it's recently been cleared. Another Incan ruin site that they found.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they keep finding those, dude.

[Tom Segura]

But this one was like elaborate. Yeah. And they, I guess they had just recently, I think recently cleared it enough so you can see how vast it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it in Peru?

[Tom Segura]

It's in Peru, yeah. Yeah, they found a lot of them in Peru. Yeah, this one of the guy, it was like a CNN report about it and I was like, holy. Yeah, I'd never heard of this place before.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nuts, dude. All the, the Aztec stuff, the Incan stuff, it's like people were living here long before the, the end of the ice age. They were living here a long time ago, man. And they're just starting to piece that all together and try to figure out like how long have people been here here. They used to think that was Clovis first. That was the thing about the Americas. They thought that for the longest time was the Clovis people, which was like 13000 years ago. And then they found footprints in White Sands, New Mexico that are 22000 years old.

[Tom Segura]

God damn.

[Joe Rogan]

And so they're like, okay, it's definitely not 13 000. Like how old is 22, 000 is long before the ice age. The end of the Ice age was like 11, 000 something years ago.

[Tom Segura]

The Akins are more recent than that though. They weren't around back then. Then.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But so it's like how long have people.

[Tom Segura]

Have people been here? Yeah. We don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

And what is that all carbon dating that they do?

[Jamie]

This is where.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

It's like in the middle of nowhere.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. That's where the ark is.

[Jamie]

That's where this.

[Joe Rogan]

What does it look like from Google Earth? Can you zoom in on it on the site?

[Jamie]

This is it.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you get closer and see the actual formation?

[Jamie]

Well that's where the center is. I'm trying to find the spot.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's the bolt? Is that it right there? Like narrow it above it above that little indication. Red marker. Look to your right. Right above. Is that it?

[Jamie]

I don't think it says it's 170ft long. It shouldn't be that big in this picture. I guess maybe that.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Tom Segura]

Do you think when you do the tour they tell you we think or they're like this is right there.

[Jamie]

There's. There. It's marked here.

[Tom Segura]

This thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh okay.

[Tom Segura]

They tell you. They tell you it's it. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Of course.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When you look at the. The ground though. It's like. Is it. Hold on a second. Here's what's weird. Look at. Look at how much water erosion is on the ground.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like close back in again. When you close back in. Look at like that all looks like rivers ran through that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. Dude.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what's about so many parts of Earth. Is it? But that also looks like that could have been just a bunch of sediment.

[Jamie]

It's tough to tell the elevation here.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of crazy though.

[Tom Segura]

But it does look like a ton of erosion happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, a ton of water erosion.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The floods were real. Man. There's too many different tales of floods in too many different religions.

[Jamie]

Giant mountains to the north of it and there's a C down here. But that's pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro. I bet that whole thing washed. Yeah. I guarantee. The. The stuff that far out you can

[Jamie]

see that it washed over for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. Look at that. Like look at the below right above where it says Google Maps. Like that whole thing looks like it was washed out. It all looks like it was washed out a long time ago.

[Jamie]

We've looked at this part before too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, Randall Carlson. He's. He's like A real expert in not just the, the mythology around the, the impacts of the Younger Dryas impact theory, but about like what possibly could have happened to the ice sheets and what created the Great Lakes and what kind of insane water you would be talking about, the volume of water and the power of that water. If you're, if all of the ice cap get hit with asteroids like boom, boom, boom. Like that's what they think that somewhere around 11,800 years ago we ran into a comet storm and they slammed into North America. And then you just get this insane wash of water that tears through the land and just fucking insane impossible volume of water just carving its way through mountains, carving its way through the landscape, flattening everything in front of it.

[Tom Segura]

And that's how the Earth took the shape that it's in right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the shape of North America. There's a lot of like evidence of that. Like when you, he's got all these slides that he shows. See if you can find some of his stuff where he goes over.

[Tom Segura]

It's pretty how like we get saved countless times a year just by Jupiter.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Just because comets are on their way here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Jupiter's like our bodyguard.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. To destroy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. And just slams into that giant gas giant.

[Tom Segura]

But we all think of that as like this sci fi kind of fun, crazy movie thing. Like that's really real though.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. Look at the moon. Moon's covered in craters. I mean we live in a shooting gallery, you know. So this is some of the stuff like look at that. Tell me that doesn't look like water washed over that. The Columbia river, isn't that nuts? Yeah, there's, there's tons of these. And you know, he does a fantastic job of breaking it all down, but he thinks that these big canyons and even the Grand Canyon was carved like relatively quickly. He thinks this idea that these things, that this, all this water erosion took place over millions of years, like I bet it wasn't. He goes, I think it was very quickly.

[Tom Segura]

What's really, really quickly mean though? I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, who knows? But you're talking about giant chunks of ice and rock from the sky that slam into the earth, change the climate completely, cause massive flooding. Just huge amounts of water just rushing over the land. It just completely makes sense that that's what the stories are. There's so many stories of a flood epic of Gilgamesh. It's in the Quran, it's in the Bible. It's in. And like they all have Stories of a great flood. And then, you know, when they see. You see things like the Great Lakes, which Great Lakes are fucking huge, man.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Those used to all be glaciers. They used to all be glacier.

[Tom Segura]

I wonder how many of those comets it takes to like change the makeup of.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it depends on the size, right?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be just one.

[Tom Segura]

One could do it if it was enormous.

[Joe Rogan]

This. This planet has been hit so many times, they find new craters all the time. They found this big one that's off the coast of Australia. I don't remember when they found that one, but when they found that one, they're like, oh, look at this. And by the way, the aborigines in the aboriginals in Australia, they all have flood myths too. They all have stories of floods. They all have that. Everybody has. Every ancient culture has stories of a great flood that happened a long time ago. Guaranteed it had to happen.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. I mean, and there's nothing that says that we won't have another one. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these data centers are bringing it in.

[Jamie]

This is how deep the Great Lakes are.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Compared to each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking amen.

[Jamie]

Watch this though. The bottom of the Mariana Trench compared to that way down.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is that where James Cameron went? Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Did he go all the way down?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he was psycho.

[Tom Segura]

That is psychotic.

[Joe Rogan]

I met him the other day.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, cool, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Very interesting guy. Really nice guy. Does a lot of martial arts.

[Tom Segura]

Does he really?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Trains a lot. Yeah. He made a record breaking solo dive to Earth's lowest point, successfully piling the submarine nearly 11 kilometers deep into the bottom of the Mariana Trench. What is that, six miles? What is 11 kilometers? How many miles is that?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah. That is six miles. It's a little over.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. That's crazy. Imagine being six miles underwater. What the are you.

[Tom Segura]

You know, he's such an expert in those submersibles too, that. Because he's the one that he's. He's part of the design.

[Joe Rogan]

36000ft.

[Tom Segura]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

36000ft.

[Tom Segura]

Have you seen what they discover when. Like the wild, like the sea life down there. Things that we've never seen before.

[Joe Rogan]

Shit. Yeah. Weird shit.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. They look like aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Because they live in complete darkness. So there's species down there that no one even knew about.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Well, there's species that I was re watching this video that Forest Gallant had. There's a bunch of species that have only been discovered like one or two times. One or two specimens. Like there's a specific whale that they only have like one specimen and what is that? Fucking ghost?

[Tom Segura]

Translucent, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, I'm gonna send you this because this is very weird, this very strange thing that I saw.

[Tom Segura]

Holy fuck.

[Joe Rogan]

I wanted to send you this because I don't know if this is legit or not, but I've seen it before and it's this thing that they're, they're detailing that's moving around on the bottom of the ocean and it seems to be carving a path on the bottom of the ocean.

[Jamie]

It's seen from Google Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

This is usually not accurate.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not?

[Jamie]

No. Just the way that they track that from the satellites isn't the best thing. But I'll see what she said.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the thing about this one, I don't know if it's true, but it looks like there's a path that it has on the ground in the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, but that's.

[Jamie]

How are they getting that information?

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I'm asking you.

[Jamie]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

I have no idea. I got it for Billy Carson. So Billy Carson has been known to engage in some on the screen Google,

[Jamie]

very bizarre two mile dome slowly crawling across the Pacific floor.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so what the fuck is that? Two mile dome slowly crossing. It's a two mile dome, two miles across, slowly crawling. So look, it looks like it's leaving a trail.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So is that real?

[Jamie]

See what they're getting this information.

[Joe Rogan]

There you go.

[Jamie]

It's like where a Google Earth doesn't take video.

[Joe Rogan]

So like stop being a party pooper. Trying to find.

[Jamie]

Sorry, I'm just trying to deduce things.

[Tom Segura]

Do you believe in that idea? I never, I never contemplated it. What about this? You know when extraterrestrial life that they're not coming from space, that they're coming from the ocean.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's a big one.

[Tom Segura]

That's a big one.

[Joe Rogan]

Tim Burchette, the congressman, I had him on and he said that he's been told there's multiple sites. Where? In the ocean. In the deep ocean where these things keep emerging from.

[Tom Segura]

That's a cooler story to me now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it makes sense that they would have a base here. And if you're going to have a base. Look, if James Cameron can get to the bottom of the fucking ocean. James Cameron. And didn't he do it in like 2012 or some shit?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think that's when that said that was.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a while ago. So he did that 14 years ago. Imagine what they could do.

[Tom Segura]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Full bases down There.

[Tom Segura]

Full bases.

[Joe Rogan]

Why wouldn't they have a base down there? Then we're not going to look. We're too stupid. We barely imagine. Is that James Cameron?

[Tom Segura]

I love aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

Avatars, the.

[Tom Segura]

So cool, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I always tell you what you got wrong.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Other than that islands can't float in the sky, but other than that, pretty cool.

[Tom Segura]

True Lies. That's a fucking great movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That guy made some bangers.

[Tom Segura]

He makes bangers?

[Joe Rogan]

He makes some bangers.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I mean, the Avatar movies alone, like the. The one, the second one that was underwater. Didn't that cost like a billion dollars to make or something? Ridiculous.

[Tom Segura]

He is so also all. By all accounts, I've never met him, but as a filmmaker, everyone's like, there is not a more supremely confident filmmaker. Which I think is like. Like something you. Everybody loves and. And you benefit from if you're in that production. Somebody who just knows their so well.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

That's like the cool. I think that's the dream of any. Whether you're cast or crew, to be with somebody who you're like, oh, this guy knows exactly what he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he's a smart.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that's why he figured out how to get to the bottom of the ocean.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Solo submarine.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Tom Segura]

It's insane. It's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I mean, how many of

[Tom Segura]

those things even exist of those submergeables?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think they made that one.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

What does that mean? They made it mean nobody had been in it before him.

[Jamie]

No, I'm pretty sure he.

[Tom Segura]

He helped design that when that one. Remember when that one imploded. The crazy one?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

He was like the one of the top people speaking about what they got. He knew. He knew exactly what they got wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, apparently there were some whistleblowers in that company.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I watched that doc. It was incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The people that built it were like, don't do this.

[Tom Segura]

And when they. They would do the tests and the test would go wrong and he was like, get the fuck out of here. Like, if you're gonna be negative, don't be around me. Yeah, that's really.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so many crazy people out there. So many legitimately crazy people that just want to be right no matter what.

[Tom Segura]

He couldn't accept being wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

He just couldn't send people to their death in the ocean in the most horrific way possible. You just get compressed instantaneously.

[Tom Segura]

You just hear it start.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Imagine you're looking around.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony used to have A bit about that, really. He would, he would. At the beginning of his set, he would take his microphone and it would scratch it on the stool. And people like what he's doing. That's the last thing those people in that submarine heard. So dark.

[Jamie]

That's the hatch and poor I port. That's. I think that's all James Cameron could see out of.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Tom Segura]

That guy's big. That guy's big mistake, too, isn't that he couldn't figure out how to design one that was capable. It's that he couldn't define design one that was light enough to do multiple trips and be towed out. Like, in other words, the cost of hauling out the correct size and weight would have been too much for him to run this business where people could pay to do it. So he kept looking for lighter and lighter materials.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Tom Segura]

You know what I mean? Because then you could haul it out and it wouldn't be too much weight. And they're like, no, but you need to have steel. He's like, nah, that weighs too, too much. Let's do carbon fiber, you know? Yeah. That was his own ego.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Tom Segura]

And he couldn't be wrong and he wanted to run his business.

[Joe Rogan]

Why do we love carbon fiber so much?

[Tom Segura]

I know every dude loves carbon fiber.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I have a Cadillac, the Escalade V. Yeah. You know, it has a carbon fiber dash. I love looking at them. Look at all that carbon.

[Tom Segura]

It's cool. It looks cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Space looks future.

[Tom Segura]

I have a carbon fiber or trim on things.

[Joe Rogan]

I had my GT3Rs, my 2007. I had the. All the interior pieces replaced with carbon fiber.

[Tom Segura]

Did you really? Yeah. Looks cool.

[Joe Rogan]

The door latches, everything. It's lighter.

[Tom Segura]

It's lighter. It's lighter.

[Joe Rogan]

Now it goes faster by like what, £5 for the whole car? It's stupid, but it's like there's something cool about the way it looks.

[Tom Segura]

It looks cool. Especially in a submersible. It looks really cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you seen that company Classic Recreation that does a 67 Mustang all in carbon fiber? No, bro, it's sick. It's like a half a million dollar car, at least. And it takes a long time to make, but it's all one piece, carbon fiber shell. So it's super light. And they'll make it with like a supercharged coyote engine. So it's like 770 horsepower and it probably weighs under 3,000 pounds. It looks like, sick. Oh, yeah. It's got to be really fast. Well, even if you had a steel one 67s are not that big. It's not a big car. That's like a 3,000 pound car. Like, I think the 65s, 66s, and 67, 68s were all like relatively similar sized, but the 67s, like wider. And then they got to like 69 and they got a little bit bigger. But like 69, 67, 68, they got wider and then 69, they got a little bigger.

[Tom Segura]

Who makes it?

[Joe Rogan]

A company called Classic Recreations.

[Tom Segura]

Huh.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if you can find a video of it.

[Tom Segura]

There's a.

[Joe Rogan]

When you see the video of it within carbon fiber with that GT500, that 67 GT500 shape, it's sick.

[Tom Segura]

Those. A carbon fiber has to do really poorly in a wreck, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, terrible.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's gotta fall apart. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're. And also, good luck repairing it. No Sony bumps into you in the supermarket parking lot. Yeah. You have to get a whole new fender. Like, they don't repair it. It's not like. Oh, don't worry.

[Tom Segura]

All new.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because you can't. Like, look at that. That whole thing is all in carbon fiber. And if you see. When they get close to it and you look at it, see if you could. Oh, it's so rad. But if you could see the actual of like, it's hard to tell right there. Oh, that one's kind of painted.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But some of them are not paint. That one's a. Go back to that one again, though. I want to see what that looks like. That color is sick.

[Jamie]

The green one I just had.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that color is sick. That's a beautiful green. Yeah, right there. Look at that thing.

[Tom Segura]

That's really cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. I never wanted a green Mustang like that before until.

[Tom Segura]

Looks like someone's about to place an order.

[Joe Rogan]

Look how cool that that thing looks.

[Tom Segura]

I'm excited for you guys. Classic Recreations. I was here for the day. Joe ordered his.

[Joe Rogan]

I never thought I would like it like that in green. I never saw a 67 GT like right there. Look at that. That looks amazing.

[Tom Segura]

That's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

But the. The process of making that and designing that is pretty insane.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's still probably a fairly heavy car, but cv, that's the different one. That's the Shelby. They do that. That they do those Shelby Cobras, they do that all in carbon fiber as well. But there's. I know there's videos because I was looking at the other day of ones where you see it. It's all in carbon fiber.

[Jamie]

There's a green one.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a green one. But I know they have. See if you can find videos where they close in on the actual carbon. Because some of them are just carbon fiber. You get to see it. Here we go. Go video. Oh, there you go. So there you see the carbon fiber. Like, look at that.

[Tom Segura]

That looks cool. Yeah, that's why you get it. Cuz it looks cool.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a thing about being a boy. Girls don't give a about carbon fiber, do they?

[Tom Segura]

No way, dude. Not most.

[Joe Rogan]

No know. Why would they care about that? But look how good that looks.

[Tom Segura]

That looks awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ. That's beautiful. You got text?

[Tom Segura]

No, I was looking up these. I went to this garage that I saw. I. I was trying to remember what I saw there. Cuz it was such a crazy collection, dude. Here in town. Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Of what?

[Tom Segura]

Of cars.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of?

[Tom Segura]

Everything, everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Like some private owner.

[Tom Segura]

Private owner. And most like 99 don't get driven, which is the crazier part. Yeah, you just have these sitting here.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're probably a good investment.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. This dude had a GT1, a CLK, GTR, Aperta, McLaren, F1, multiple LaFerraris, SP1 S250, GTO. Like CH. Just a stupid collection.

[Joe Rogan]

I love old Porsches. I do not love old Ferraris.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

The 60s ones though, they look bunk to me. Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't like them.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, I think they look beautiful. The old Porsches look amazing too.

[Joe Rogan]

I like old Porsches. I like, I like like 69, 70, 71, 72. The long noose Porsches, those are to me, when I see those, especially the wide body ones.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, they're gorgeous.

[Joe Rogan]

They look amazing. But when I see like old Ferraris, I'm like, that looks like it's gonna break.

[Tom Segura]

I mean they probably, you know, that's

[Joe Rogan]

gonna leave you somewhere.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's also precious. Like nobody does anything with them.

[Tom Segura]

They're, they, they become honest. They're like too valuable.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

When they're like. When you go, how much was this? It was 25 million. This thing sold for at auction.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like, okay, people take like old Porsches and they mod them. Yeah. And they, they make them outlaw claws and.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like that Magnus Walker.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Yeah. He makes awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

I love that. That's what I love. I love when they customize them and they, they put cool paint on them and.

[Tom Segura]

Well, I like looking at the old Ferrari. I feel like they do look like works of art. They look beautiful. But I feel like the Porsche would be the one you'd want to drive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't like even like looking at them.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't know, it's weird. It's like, you know, you have tastes.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like someone like people think that I like old cars. They'll try to show me something from the 50s. I'm like, get that thing away from me.

[Tom Segura]

It's not your era.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool looking.

[Tom Segura]

That's pretty beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

1960.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Actually take it back. That's pretty dope.

[Tom Segura]

That's pretty good.

[Joe Rogan]

That one's pretty dope too. That up, that one upper left. That's pretty dope.

[Tom Segura]

But I wonder, I do wonder how

[Joe Rogan]

I changed my opinion.

[Tom Segura]

I wonder how they drive.

[Joe Rogan]

I really probably like dog compared to your little Cayman.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that thing's insane.

[Tom Segura]

It's so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a, a mid engine car that's got modern suspension, modern brakes, modern technology and what, like 650 horsepower?

[Tom Segura]

It's got some crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's got tuned up bonkers and it sounds insane. When you drove by my house with that thing, I remember I got a boner.

[Tom Segura]

I remember you walked inside, then you walked outside and you were like, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, I wanted to watch you drive off.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. I wanted to hear, I think still my. It's so fun. It's so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

See, that's unlike. I like stuff that you drive.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was telling you, that's why I like my super snake. Because it's not, it's. It's a great American muscle car, like a modern muscle car. It's not the fastest car, it's not. Doesn't handle the best, but it's the most exciting. It's like the most fun to drive.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. I was just talking about this, about when you get into cars. So when you start off and you drive a Honda Accord and somebody goes, you should drive a Mustang. Mustang. You get in a Mustang, you're like, faster, right? You go faster. So faster equates with better, more fun and better. And then you get, let's say to a 911, you're like, faster, more fun, better. And in your mind there's this formula of like, well, as long as it's faster, it's going to be better. And then it crosses over to this other plane where you go, oh, it's faster. But the, all the fun is not there anymore, Right. And you have to find a place where you, you go like fast doesn't equal fun necessarily. There's a fun. That's a mixture of things.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly that.

[Tom Segura]

There is a fast aspect, but there can be too fast.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a feeling that you get from fun cars.

[Tom Segura]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Like one of my favorite cars that I ever had that I kind of miss. I had a 2012 Shelby GT500 convertible. You ever see that? I drove into the comic store a bunch of times.

[Tom Segura]

I did. I did see that.

[Joe Rogan]

I loved that car.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Because you drove it once. I want to say, this is amazing. The Canyon Club one time, I remember.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. I loved it because it was the only car that I ever bought that was like that. That was a convertible. And it felt a little sketchy, like a little wobbly because it was a convertible. But the feeling that you would get. It wasn't the most horsepower. I think back then they had like 500 or 550 or something like that, which is a lot. But today it's not.

[Tom Segura]

Today it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

But it had a supercharger and it would whine when you get on it. And it was of solid rear axle, so it would kick out all the time. It was, like, handled like dog.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It wasn't the best, but it was fun. Like, you go around the corner and stomp on the gas and it was fun, but it was the torque and the sound. And because it was a convertible. You hear the sound right there. There's nothing there. It was like one of my most enjoyable cars I ever owned. I loved it. I missed it when I got rid of it. I was like, I should have kept that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. The fun. The fun. Like that. That piece of it. I think. I think if you have a bunch of cars, you want stuff that's comfortable because sometimes you're like, I need. I need to be in some type of comfort for this one thing I'm doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Tom Segura]

And then the rest of the time you just want to have fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Jamie, show me a picture of a 2012 Shelby GT500 convertible, black.

[Tom Segura]

That's what you had?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I miss. Wasn't the best looking car either. It was good looking. It was cool looking, but it was just the. The driving fun. It was like one of the first frivolous cars that I bought when I had some money.

[Tom Segura]

I tell you, I miss. I missed. I think it was a 981 GTS.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is. That's it. That's it. That's exactly it. That's exactly the car. That's exactly what I had. I didn't have a roll bar, though. Fuck. I loved it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe it had a roll bar. I don't think so, though. Nah, I think it was like that.

[Tom Segura]

Can you look up? If I got this right. 981 GTA.

[Joe Rogan]

Guess. God, I missed that car.

[Tom Segura]

Blue.

[Joe Rogan]

I really missed that Shelby in blue.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I had that and I had.

[Joe Rogan]

Baby.

[Tom Segura]

I sent it to bbi. That did. They did tune tuning on it. I had never been sad about selling something until after I sold that. That. That was so much fun to drive.

[Joe Rogan]

Get yourself another one, Tom. Boy.

[Tom Segura]

Boy. I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Go back to that Shelby. I might have to get one of them.

[Tom Segura]

We're looking at like old girlfriends right now.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. I know. Really fun ones.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who swallowed like, that thing was so fun, man. I love driving it.

[Tom Segura]

Great tits.

[Joe Rogan]

And again, look at that one. Looks good with the red stripe. And again, it wasn't like nobody was, you know, nobody's like, whoa, you're a baller. It wasn't like that at all. It was just, just. It was just fun for me.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, that's what it's about, man. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And again, not, not the fastest car. Pretty fast for the time, but you know, like Porsche's handle. Like I. Before that I had had a 911 Turbo. It's way faster. Handles way better.

[Tom Segura]

I remember taking that, getting chased by a, a Mustang up Benedict Canyon and just losing his ass. Oh, yeah, that was the fun, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, those things handle so well. That's a 3,000 pound car too, right?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, like, probably something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, like my Shelby Super Snake. That's probably like close to 4,000 pounds. Cars today are very, very heavy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, they're very heavy. I looked up the, the Escalade IQ, the All Electric. That's £9,000.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It's crazy.

[Tom Segura]

That's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's massive. Oh, there's one for sale. How much is it? Only 45 grams, man. How many. How many miles on it? 16, 000 miles. Edit this out. I'm gonna have to buy that. Look at that thing.

[Tom Segura]

It's cool. Bookmark it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude, I'm in love. That's it. See, it's like kind of cheap inside and everything. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[Tom Segura]

Doesn't matter.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the fun of it. How. How many horsepower does those things have?

[Tom Segura]

5.4 liter supercharged V8.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's find out how many horsepower that thing has. 550. Yeah, that's. That sounds about right.

[Tom Segura]

That's your girl, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Loved it.

[Tom Segura]

That's her I loved.

[Joe Rogan]

Was like, it just, it was like. It wasn't Precious. I didn't mind parking in places and if it had a dent on it, probably look cooler.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It didn't matter. It was just the being in it and just. And this. The wind in your hair. I didn't have any hair. Air. But wind in your face, the sound.

[Tom Segura]

I will say there, I think there's no better top down city than la. You know, I love a convertible. In LA is like the greatest.

[Joe Rogan]

You have like three weeks to do it here before your head burns.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially us. Oh, your head's shaved. Unless you're wearing a hat.

[Tom Segura]

Got to. But there, it's like perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Especially. Well, I would love it at night, driving down Sunset. Yeah, I loved it. I love coming over Laurel. I'd have like a music playlist that I'd listen to. Like my perfect Going to the Comedy Store playlist.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. And then another one on the way out. The best.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But there's something about, like. It was also like, wow, I'm really in Hollywood. I'm really going to do a show at the Comedy Store in Hollywood and this is my job. Like, this is crazy.

[Tom Segura]

Awesome. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

That's so cool. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To be one of those. One of those sperm that made it through and cracked the egg.

[Tom Segura]

I went there like a week ago. It was super fun.

[Joe Rogan]

I heard it was awesome during the Netflix festival. Was that when you were there?

[Tom Segura]

Yes. It was so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody said it was like the Comedy Store of old.

[Tom Segura]

It was great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Peter Shore texted me, sent me some pictures. He's like, dude, you should be here. It's amazing.

[Tom Segura]

It was bumping, man.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nice. Yeah, that's nice.

[Tom Segura]

It was really fun. I've been going to your club, too. I'm working on a new hour, so it's been really fun to get reps.

[Joe Rogan]

How long you been doing sets now? Because last time I talked to you.

[Tom Segura]

So, like a month.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you want to do a set Tuesday or Wednesday?

[Tom Segura]

I leave. I go back to la. I got this thing I have to go fly out for to announce.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what are you doing? Can you tell anybody?

[Tom Segura]

I don't think I can yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Not yet. Oh, tell me.

[Tom Segura]

I'll tell you.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, tell me.

[Tom Segura]

I'll tell you.

[Joe Rogan]

I won't tell anybody.

[Tom Segura]

No one will hear. But when I come back, I'd love to.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you gonna do a season three? Three?

[Tom Segura]

I don't know. That'll be up to them, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

See how it does.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. See how it does.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

It's so such a good show, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a perfect show for you because it's like, it's so obvious that it's your imagination because no one would think of these things.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah,

[Joe Rogan]

the one. I don't want to give it away.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, you can. You can.

[Joe Rogan]

The one where it's the girl that you knew for a long time and

[Tom Segura]

then, oh yeah,

[Joe Rogan]

Floriana, you won't let her in the car. Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

That felt like real life, you know,

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, I was saying to myself, why doesn't he just open the door and get out?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I know. Well, it was more fun to.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, of course.

[Tom Segura]

See horrible things happen to her. And it fucking. I would say this cause it's not a credit to me, but the. I always wanted to emphasize how I wanted it to look. And my, My, my DP Nico Wiesnet is brilliant. So everything looks like a movie, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Like the slave one looks like an Oscar winning film.

[Joe Rogan]

It really does.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so ridiculous.

[Tom Segura]

It's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to give that away either, but it's so ridiculous.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really so fun.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. They just let us have fun. It's. It's like, it's. It's such a different, you know, experience than what I'm used to and what you're used to with, with Stand up, which is such a solo endeavor, but to have a team, you know, from the writers room to actually getting into production of like everybody collaborating, it's such a fun thing.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also so irreverent. I don't think you could do it anywhere but Netflix. I don't think anybody would allow you to.

[Tom Segura]

I don't think so either. They are the. They really are. You know, for all the shit that people justifiably. Justifiably talk about, like studios and exact system stuff for, for this show. I've never had an experience like it where they're just like, go for it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, they let you just do whatever you want.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. Look, they're the best at that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, think about the amount. I mean they get a lot of criticism about some of the content.

[Tom Segura]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's really. The idea is they'll let anything in there. It's good. Yeah. Like you're not going to agree with all of it. Some of it you're going to think it's far left content or some the.

[Jamie]

Of.

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing is they're not ideologically captured. Like it's not like they only Allow, like, woke content.

[Tom Segura]

Not at all.

[Joe Rogan]

They'll let you go ham.

[Tom Segura]

Not at all. Yeah, they let you push it.

[Joe Rogan]

And I don't think anybody else would do it.

[Tom Segura]

I don't think so either. I don't think so either. They were the first people I showed it to, and thankfully they said yes. I think it would have been shut down after that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's no chance. Like, just the first. First scene in the first episode where you're. You take the pill. The Kevin Nealon one.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Kevin Neal. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just that, like, there's not a fucking chance in hell.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. No.

[Joe Rogan]

There's the things that you're doing. There's no. No.

[Tom Segura]

And our. We have one you haven't seen later in With Jesus that I don't think would fly other places with Johnny Pemberton in it. He's amazing. Great cast. Great people came in. Kirk Fox did one. Frankie Quinones did one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Tom Segura]

Odette Annabelle did one. I'm leaving people out. Martha Kelly, there's great cast. And they all signed up for. We had people, by the way, we had a couple one time casting. The casting director sat me down and was like, hey, just so you know, I sent out submissions for this one. You did? And all the agents I called me today said I would never put an actor in a position to do something like this. And then. And one actor called one of the people on our staff and was like, you can't make this one. They're like, like, this is. This is wrong. This is. This is an actor. An actor. This is dangerous to put out in the world. And we were like, what? Like that. She was that offended by it.

[Joe Rogan]

But she wasn't in it.

[Tom Segura]

No. But she had been offered a part. So she was like, I read what you offered me. I'm so offended. I was like, okay. Yeah. Like, she really was like, I'm gonna call people and like, I. I hope you guys don't make.

[Joe Rogan]

This isn't amazing that she has an activist.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Over the. This clearly wasn't also understanding, like, the tone.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it the girl from Snow White?

[Tom Segura]

No. I heard she's a handful. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Seems like she cost that movie a lot of money.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God. I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Tom Segura]

Allegedly. Yeah. And what that does to the rest of her career.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, she's.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. She's. Especially in this because that was like, at the tipping point of woke being like, we had woke fatigue.

[Tom Segura]

And then she didn't. Wasn't the whole thing she didn't want to promote, which is like, that's the whole. That's half the gig, man. Promoting your thing is half the gig.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the problem is that when she would talk, she would say things that were so unappealing. Like, you're trying to sell a movie. People want to like you. You're Snow White. You can't be like.

[Tom Segura]

Like

[Joe Rogan]

chastising people, whatever you're doing. Scolding people.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. And lecturing them and. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like you're a kid.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't do that.

[Tom Segura]

Be like, thanks for the gig.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Where I got the amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's Play Snow White. But the whole thing was doomed anyway. When they. They weren't going to use dwarves. Right. They called them magical creatures instead of dwarves. Isn't that the whole. Dude, the. The literal title of the story is Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

[Tom Segura]

Dwarves, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The dwarves all have names, so they all had. That's the story. You don't want to make a story on the Seven Dwarves. You're gonna have to make a new story.

[Tom Segura]

Is dwarf offensive, though? Yes, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

To some. Some, like, little people. They don't, like. They don't like dwarf.

[Tom Segura]

Well, I knew, but I thought dwarf was like, the polite way to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Not anymore. Okay, the goal post. Keep it moving.

[Tom Segura]

Keep it going.

[Joe Rogan]

If you went into a coma and you woke up, like, three years later later, you'd be so lost. So what? You kind of can't say.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, that's why old people talk. And you're like, whoa, yeah, color.

[Joe Rogan]

This ain't colored colors. You're like, yo, yeah, people of color.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Well, they. They would say that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Back in the. Like in the 40s. Or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is odd, that colored is offensive, but people of color is not offensive.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, if you try to explain that to someone logically, they'd be like, what?

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Like if it was another language, like, oh, you can't say it like that. You have to say it like this. He'd be like, what? Why? It's the same thing. I'm saying the same thing.

[Tom Segura]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

People of color is. Okay, what do I say again? People of. Okay, of color.

[Tom Segura]

Then in South Africa, that is a term, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Tom Segura]

In South Africa, there's black, white and colored. Oh, those are the three.

[Joe Rogan]

What's colored?

[Tom Segura]

Anyone who's not black or white. So, like, like Chinese people, Like, no. Like, if you're mixed or if you're Indian. Oh, you know, like, then you're colored. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How weird, man.

[Tom Segura]

So that's like the three boy. Broad terms.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

But I remember I was in Canada once and I said, oh, my God. I don't remember if I said, like, native. And they were like, yo. And I was like, I can't say native. And they were like, that's kind of offensive. We don't say that first, people. Yeah. So. And that was the first time I had heard that something that I thought I was saying, like, with respect, was disrespectful. I was like, really? Native. They're like, yeah, hey, easy. Stop saying it. I'm like, that's crazy. Okay. I was in Vancouver.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Vancouver. Super. Whoa.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, super woke. Didn't used to be.

[Tom Segura]

Was it not.

[Joe Rogan]

Nah, it's like weed was like a big weed place. It was a fun place.

[Tom Segura]

I've all. I'd always loved going to Vancouver.

[Joe Rogan]

Vancouver used to be the. I mean, I haven't been in a long time. Time. The last time I was supposed to go, I had a big 420 show that was supposed to be there in 2020. Like, right. Right after the pandemic, we're doing an arena up there, and we had to shut it down, and then we rescheduled it and they had to shut it down again. And then things just got real weird up there, and I'm like, I'm not going back.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm not going back.

[Tom Segura]

You haven't been there in Canada since.

[Joe Rogan]

No. And I've talked a lot of. About Canada.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, you have talked a lot of.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of.

[Tom Segura]

You talked a lot of. About Trudeau.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a lot of.

[Tom Segura]

He's out of power now. He's not.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, justifiably, though, it's like what they did up there, they. They. They're doing some wild things and they just completely wrecked that country in terms of. They're moving closer and closer to communism in this really weird way. And I know people want to push back against that, but you have to understand that, like, they don't have. First of all, they don't have freedom of speech speech or they have hate speech laws, so they can move the goal. But this was Jordan Peterson's argument about this when they were trying to impose certain pronouns that he was supposed to use and certain things that you're supposed to say. And he's like, you can't force me to say things like you're. This is forced speech. And this is. And the problem is they'll call things hate speech, and then if you use force, they'll force you to use that under the threat of law. And it's like, okay, well, what Does. Where does this go? Was it goes. You're going to arrest people for not going along with 78 different pronouns or whatever the they are? Are you going to. You're going to kick them out of their job? Like, do you understand that this is kind of crazy?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then this weird thing they're doing with maid. Okay. Where they're doing assisted suicide. You know? You know about all this? Okay. One in 20 people in Canada. Make sure this is true. One in 20 people in Canada dies from assisted suicide.

[Tom Segura]

One in 20.

[Joe Rogan]

One in 20. There's an actual business now that's involved in assisted suicide.

[Tom Segura]

Is that government sanctioned?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, is it government sanctioned? Yeah. Program. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they. They killed a guy who had seasonal depression. Look at this. 5.1% of all deaths in the country. Country.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Medically assisted dying. That's what it's called. That's made officially known as medical assistance in dying. Between 2016, the end of 2024, there were 76, 475 recorded made deaths.

[Tom Segura]

Damn. You can just sign up, just be like, I want this.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't like this. 2024 alone, there were 16. 499 made provisions. 5% of all deaths. 5.1% of all deaths in the country. How nuts is that?

[Tom Segura]

That's nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Find the one guy that they killed that had seasonal depression. And the family was like, what the.

[Tom Segura]

He just walks into a place.

[Joe Rogan]

You can just sign up. You sign up for it. I don't want to live anymore. I'm depressed. I'm depressed.

[Tom Segura]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Canadian man, 26, with seasonal depression. Euthanized despite no terminal illness. Illness. Look at that guy.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, that was reason.

[Joe Rogan]

He just needs friends.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy needs a hug. 26 year old Canadian man who had seasonal depression has been euthanized by a notorious doctor who is personally responsible for ending the lives of over 400 of her patients. Oh, my God. What a psycho.

[Tom Segura]

This Uday is back.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Tom Segura]

That's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. So it's just he had other issues.

[Jamie]

So.

[Joe Rogan]

Keanu Vofian. I don't know if I how to say his last name. Also had partial vision loss and lived with type 1 diabetes. He faced mental health struggles, which often became worse in the winter as a result of a car accident when he was 17. After losing vision in one of his eyes in 2022, he became obsessed with ending his life by assisted dying.

[Jamie]

Hmm.

[Tom Segura]

That's really fucking sad. Man.

[Willie Ray]

Man.

[Tom Segura]

God damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You just not happy. Instead of people saying, let's figure out a way to make you happy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. You know, we're going to put you down.

[Joe Rogan]

We're going to just put you down. And then there, there's money in it, which is weird. It's weird where there's money gets exchanged. People make a living doing it. People. The government pays for it. There's profit involved in killing.

[Tom Segura]

Killing people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They're killing old people that just don't want to do it anymore. I'm having a hard time making. Oh, step into the chamber. I don't know what they do to him.

[Tom Segura]

I wonder, I wonder like if like family knew beforehand or they just get like a notification. Hey, we put them down, you know, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're a grown adult, I wonder if the family even gets informed if you don't want them to be. What is the way they do it is an lethal injection. What if you're like, I want to be beheaded. I want to go guillotine style.

[Tom Segura]

I want to have my tongue ripped out by pliers first.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I want read this crazy story about this guy who set up a guillotine over his bed and he had a timed it for when he was asleep. So he timed it for 3am and so he went to sleep. And then his father heard this loud bang in the middle of the night and thought that maybe he fell down or something fell over. And the son had literally rigged a guillotine with a timer in his house. And at 3am it hit the switch and this giant blade lops off his head.

[Tom Segura]

A really cool thing to do to your parents.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, you must have hated his dad. Hey, hey. All that shitty things you said to me and all the that's real dub way you raised me.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you can find that story.

[Tom Segura]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Who knows what's real, but I think it's real. Guillotine death was suicide. Builder Boyd Taylor spent several weeks constructing the complex device at the home he shared with his father in the village of Milburn, near Morpeth. Where is that? Is that England, bro?

[Tom Segura]

Several weeks. This is super methodical.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. The General Hospital recorded a verdict of suicide on Thursday. The hearing was told that the complicated mechanism was primed to switch itself off at 03:30 GMT and cause a blade to fall on Mr. Taylor's neck. In a written statement read out by Southeast North Humberland coroner Eric Armstrong, Robert Taylor said he knew his son had been working on something in his bedroom for several weeks. Jesus Christ. He was woken by a rumbling noise which he thought was the chimney had fallen off the roof.

[Tom Segura]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

That's his head. Head Father and son work together in the family building company. But Boyd Taylor has been off for over Christmas saying he wanted to stay at home.

[Tom Segura]

I respect the, like, the. The message so much.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Like the you of it all. To his dad.

[Joe Rogan]

This is my favorite part. He said Mr. Taylor's death was not a spur of the moment decision.

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Duh. Yeah. Crazy, man. That's the crazy thing about people that want to kill themselves. Themselves. Oftentimes they don't tell anybody.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And no one knows until it happens. Oh.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're like, imagine if you're his dad and you're like, I should have checked his bedroom.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe I could have hugged him.

[Tom Segura]

I heard him.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe I could have gotten him some mdma. Maybe I could have done something to snap him out of it. I thought he was just making a cool cabinet.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to respect his privacy, but

[Tom Segura]

maybe his dad doesn't think like that.

[Joe Rogan]

That, you know, maybe like that he's out there sucking and he gets sad. Him.

[Willie Ray]

I don't know.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I don't know why I had that accident.

[Jamie]

Wrong country, Country.

[Tom Segura]

But I mean to. To want to do that and have your dad find it, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That's dark.

[Tom Segura]

That's really dark.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You don't like your dad for sure.

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Or you don't care? You don't give a. About anybody.

[Tom Segura]

You still working on that thing? Yeah. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a cabinet. Leave me alone. D. Man. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry, son. Did you feel like fishing maybe sometime?

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. Maybe not now.

[Tom Segura]

Maybe in the spring.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Maybe after 3:30am Tomorrow.

[Tom Segura]

What? It's a weird time. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean. Yeah. It's set, timed and rigged. Also, he wanted to impress people. Like, wow. Respect.

[Tom Segura]

Respect.

[Joe Rogan]

Like this guy playing.

[Tom Segura]

His level of dedication to this plan is pretty incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he set it above his neck while he was sleeping.

[Tom Segura]

How do you fall asleep? Yeah, right there.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I chunk?

[Tom Segura]

And he had a. Like a test run. For sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, for sure. 100%. And the night.

[Tom Segura]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

The inquest at Mass Beth General Hospital. Ashington was told yesterday the younger man had weighted the blade with a paving slab wired to plywood wedged into a wooden block at the foot of his bed. An electric jigsaw was plugged into a timer switch. The saw cut the wood, releasing the wire holding the blade.

[Tom Segura]

12 sleeping pills, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. That might have killed him anyway, right?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, maybe. Took 12 sleeping pills before laying under the guillotine, knowing that the sedatives were so strong that his Position the bed would not alter at he slept. Wow. His father heard the jigsaw in action and thought the chimney had collapsed. But returned to the bed when all felt quiet. Felt quiet. The mechanism cut power to the electric tool after it completed its tasks.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

He had it set to shut off after it completed its task. This guy was thorough.

[Tom Segura]

But like also his. His knowledge of being able to put that together like that's. That's some engineering skill.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. It says his son had never fully recovered from his parents separation. When he was 15. He had attempted suicide as a teenager.

[Tom Segura]

He was 36. Now 21 years later. Meanwhile, like I think dad was a dick dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Possibly.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

This also says there are partners in a small. A small building firm he ran with his father.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we said that earlier.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. He's working with a. Working on a carpentry project.

[Joe Rogan]

Jeez.

[Jamie]

He was also at the father's house. Correct. Is. So he left work to go back. I don't know. It seems like they were separated but they definitely weren't.

[Tom Segura]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

He thought they were living together.

[Tom Segura]

Dude. It said it's an 8 foot high, 3 foot wide structure that he put in his room.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Has dad not noticed that he's in a cottage?

[Jamie]

See that means it's small. Right?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Just not paying attention.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Built an inner door to his bedroom. An inner door. Before putting together the eight foot high, three foot wide structure housing a guillotine blade and devices to trigger its descent.

[Tom Segura]

Man.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably one of the wildest ways to go.

[Tom Segura]

I've never heard anything like this.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy doesn't need the Canadian government.

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like I got this. I got this. Got this.

[Tom Segura]

I mean there's, there's some, some, some creative ways to do it. But that's probably the they do. And to find that to leave the discovery is also.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And also just leave a mess. You gotta clean that up. Is that what it is that it's a thing? Is that what it looks like?

[Jamie]

I mean this is an article about it and the picture is right below the paragraph.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Jamie]

Talking about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Why isn't it all covered in blood?

[Tom Segura]

No, that's probably.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Tom Segura]

That's probably.

[Joe Rogan]

That might not just be a guy.

[Tom Segura]

Guillotine. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Oh my God.

[Jamie]

Trying to find pictures.

[Tom Segura]

He knew he was building something and

[Joe Rogan]

he made sure it was real high. So that had some good momentum. Shaboom.

[Jamie]

Woo.

[Joe Rogan]

A paving stone.

[Tom Segura]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. Bro. What a psycho. 12 sleeping pills.

[Tom Segura]

So you find your spot yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine the last thoughts in his mind, like, see you in Valhalla.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, yeah, you dad.

[Joe Rogan]

I know there's certain states where you can go and whack yourself in America. Oregon's one of them. Because Michael Lair, remember him from Kill Tony? He had als.

[Tom Segura]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

He ended his life up there.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he was at the door.

[Tom Segura]

That level of suffering though. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He actually went up there once and chickened out. Or didn't chicken out. Changed his mind, I should say. Wouldn't say chicken. It was a terrible way to say it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Went up there, changed his mind, came back and did a couple more episodes of Kill Tony.

[Tom Segura]

And then.

[Joe Rogan]

And then went up and did it.

[Tom Segura]

I met him a couple times.

[Joe Rogan]

Funny dude, man.

[Tom Segura]

Very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Very funny dude. Real bummer.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's like. I get that. I get when you're at that stage, but seasonal depression, that's not. Yeah, settle down.

[Tom Segura]

There's that thing in Alaska if you get seasonal depression and you kill someone. It's a lesser charge. Really. Yeah. Cuz it's so prevalent there.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn. Be nice to people in the winter.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Goes dark all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see that movie 30 Days of Night?

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a vampire movie about Alaska.

[Tom Segura]

I saw the one where. With Pacino and Robin Williams. That also is like a insomnia thing in Alaska. You know that one is.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Tom Segura]

Is it called that?

[Jamie]

It's called Insomnia.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Yeah. And you feel it watching that movie. You it, it. The performances and the way it's shot. Pull it out of you. You're like.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see that one where Robin Williams played the psycho guy that develops pictures?

[Tom Segura]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

24 hour photo, I think it's called.

[Jamie]

Called.

[Tom Segura]

Was that Bobcat?

[Joe Rogan]

He.

[Tom Segura]

He did a few with Robin Williams, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if he made that. He might have, but that one was nuts.

[Tom Segura]

Robin Williams was so good, so talented.

[Joe Rogan]

So that he could be that funny and also that creepy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that. He could really play like a real psycho. Really well.

[Jamie]

One Hour photo.

[Joe Rogan]

One Hour photo. That's it.

[Tom Segura]

Who made that one?

[Jamie]

Nah, Robert.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, Mark Romanick.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry. And I was super happy. Super creepy.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This 30 days a night is a fun vampire movie.

[Tom Segura]

Is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Because they show up in Alaska during the time with it's the winter where it's night for 30 days in like northern Alaska.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they don't ever have to go to sleep in the day and they just everybody up for like 30 days.

[Tom Segura]

That's pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, fun.

[Tom Segura]

I did Alaska. Went in the opposite. In the summer when it was sun never.

[Joe Rogan]

That's weird.

[Tom Segura]

That's weird too. Too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Ari and I did that once. We did some shows and we went salmon fishing and it was like bright out at 2:00am yeah. Weird.

[Tom Segura]

It's weird, man. We got back to the hotel and like, the sun's out. It's like midnight.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. You don't know what to do.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Your body's so confused.

[Tom Segura]

It's. It's a very confusing feeling.

[Joe Rogan]

How do people sleep up there with masks? They just put that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, Everyone has like blackout windows and everything. Yeah. Yeah, because I remember you're like, like, wait, it's not that late, right? You're like, no, it's. It's midnight right now. I wonder if crime goes down in the summer months.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I wonder.

[Tom Segura]

You know, has to.

[Joe Rogan]

You'd imagine. Cuz I think people do more crime. Like, oh, it's dark out. Yeah, go do crime.

[Tom Segura]

And crime is also. Isn't crime usually spike in places when it's like heat waves?

[Joe Rogan]

Probably. Yeah. They get hot and angry.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. You get more domestics, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Willie Ray]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's why you brought the seasonal depression thing when it's night out all the time.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why people whack each other.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Makes sense. So depressed. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you know, vitamin D. Especially if you're not a vitamin person, you're not supplementing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You have no vitamin D. None. Yeah, that's what's about, like, flu season. People like, oh, flu season. Flu's coming around. Well, why do you think that is? It's because no one's outside, because no one has any vitamin D. So everybody gets the flu.

[Tom Segura]

Is that why?

[Joe Rogan]

100%. Yeah, that's why. Why else would flu have a season? You can get flu in the summer. You can get flu anywhere. Why is. Why are so many people getting it,

[Tom Segura]

but your immune system.

[Joe Rogan]

Immune system is destroyed. My doctor told me that. My doctor explained to me that when he was an internist in New York City that he would test people in the middle of the winter and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin D in a system. It's crazy because some people just never go outside and they just. They're indoors all the time and they

[Tom Segura]

don't take any vitamins and their system just breaks down.

[Joe Rogan]

They're eating sloppy joes and french fries and you wonder why?

[Tom Segura]

Like, I can't believe I got sick. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't believe you're alive.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what's up. About sunlight is that, like, sunlight is actually a necessary part of being a human being. Being like you actually need it for

[Tom Segura]

vitamin D. I have such a notable. I mean, like, dramatic difference in how much I got sick when I was fatter.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Versus, like, of course. Of course I was getting sick, like. Like real sick, like seven times a year.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You've made, like, one of the most dramatic transformations of anybody that I know other than. Jelly roll. Roll Jelly.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Jelly rolls is nuts.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. I just saw him. He was.

[Joe Rogan]

He went.

[Tom Segura]

He came to the 5K. He's down £300.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. He was just. The club. He's. He's practicing stand up.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I heard, dude, he killed.

[Tom Segura]

Really? I mean, did well. Yeah, he has.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got good jokes. He's. Get some funny stories.

[Tom Segura]

He's a funny guy. And he's like. He's comfortable with an audience.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. And just super likable.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's like.

[Tom Segura]

And vulnerable. He's a vulnerable guy, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And his transformation is even more crazy because he was at death's door. He was like. He couldn't even walk up a flight of stairs.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. It's amazing what he's done. It really is amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Incredible.

[Tom Segura]

Inspires a bunch of people, too, which is. Which is awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's not done.

[Tom Segura]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, he's still full steam ahead. Like, he's changed his whole lifestyle. It's like a full shift and now it's all just about getting that skin cut off.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, oh, that one hurts just

[Tom Segura]

thinking about it, but I imagine how great he's going to feel after that. It's going to feel so good.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. When it all heals up, you know, doing it the right way, though, like, he's got to get like a hyperbaric chamber, you know, Definitely take Peptides. And, you know, it's just scary because, like, skin gets infected. You know, infections are terrifying. That's like the Uday Hussein thing. Horrible. Dragging people through gravel and then dunking them in sewers. What a piece of shit that guy was.

[Tom Segura]

And you also had to have the thought of, like, how can I make this worse?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

You know, how do I get these people infected? Well, you could put them in a. Like a bowl of. And he's like, let's do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's scratch them up a lot first.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's drag them through gravel.

[Tom Segura]

There's wounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. All over their body. And then dunk them in a sewer, like.

[Tom Segura]

You got it, boss.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, infections are scary, man. I know a lot of people that get skin infections because of jiu jitsu.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, yeah, that's a big. It's a big thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Huge, huge thing. Mikey Musamichi just defended his UFC Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Why can't I say that? UFC BJJ title. And got hospitalized right afterwards with staff.

[Tom Segura]

Didn't, you know, Kyle Busch, the driver? He just died, and he died of sepsis. Right, but that's like a type of infection as well.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. How did he get that?

[Jamie]

I believe I already had pneumonia and then. Then didn't treat it and kept, you know, racing and got worse.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts.

[Tom Segura]

41, man.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts. It's nuts, man.

[Tom Segura]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Sepsis is crazy. One of my wife's friends from high school died of sepsis just a few years back.

[Tom Segura]

My dad got sepsis in the hospital. Yeah, like, he had. He had a bone marrow transplant and then got sepsis. Almost died.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, hospital infections are creepy, man, because, like, Joey Diaz, you know, he got his knee fixed and he said that. What does it say here? Timeline. Bush had been battling what is originally believed to be a sinus cold for a couple weeks, even radioing his crew to have a doctor meet him after a race at Watkins Glen. Despite continuing to race and win, less than a week before his death, his condition rapidly deteriorated. He collapsed and became unresponsive in a Chevrolet racing simulator in Concord, North Carolina. 911 caller noted that he was coughing up blood and had shortness of breath. He was transported to a Charlotte area hospital where he died.

[Tom Segura]

That is insane, man. That is so crazy, man.

[Joe Rogan]

But, you know Hamzat Chamayev, the. The guy who was the middleweight champion before Sean Strickland, just beat him.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When he had Covid, he would not stop working out. He was training through Covid, like, bad. And he was hospitalized multiple, multiple times. Times. And he took a photograph of his toilet where he'd coughed blood into his toilet and was saying, I'm retiring. I'm not fighting anymore. I'm retiring from mma. And he posted. See if you can find the photograph.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

On social media. He posted the photograph of his toilet with the blood in it. Yeah. Is told he may have cancer after coughing up blood in. In training, but it was.

[Tom Segura]

Because that was a while ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, years ago. He wouldn't stop training. Like, he's such an animal that while he had Covid, he would not stop training.

[Tom Segura]

Now, that was a huge upset, right?

[Joe Rogan]

It was an upset.

[Tom Segura]

It was an upset.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought it could happen that way. I, I was actually saying like a lot of people, like Ari was arguing with me on protect our Parks. He's like, you always say that when someone doesn't have a chance. You always hype it up. Like I think Strickland can win this fight because Strickland is like insanely durable. He's scary because he doesn't go away. He's not going to get tired. He doesn't go away. He's tough as hit. He was abused when he was young. So he's angry. Like he, he's, he's dangerous and he's super skillful, very hard to hit. And he, and he fought in one with a blown out shoulder.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

He his shoulder up like the week of the fight, like did something bad. He's coming and getting some stem cells at waste to.

[Tom Segura]

Well is he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he he it up and he doesn't even know what it was. But he couldn't use it. Right. I could tell when he was warming up before the fight started. He was doing this with his arm, just doing this. Like he was warming up doing this and he kept doing this. And that's what you do when your arm hurts. Yeah. Like if you hurt your shoulder, like how bad is it hurt? Let me check, let me check real quick.

[Tom Segura]

And that's how he went into a fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Went to a world title fight against the scariest guy in the division and beat him with one arm.

[Tom Segura]

I saw him. That was like the day before, two days before something. He was like doing construction on his driveway. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro rides a motorcycle everywhere. World champion.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he just was went to that misfits. No. What is it called? Aiden Ross's thing that he does? He does something called. What does it call it? Brand something or not Brand Risk. He has people fight. Ray J, the guy who did the.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Porno with Kim Kardashian, he just got knocked the fuck out.

[Tom Segura]

Did you see the Post interview?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

He was like, what the fuck man? I thought we had a deal. Yeah, that was weird.

[Joe Rogan]

They made some sort of a deal apparently. Well, at least he was implying that the guy wasn't going to punch him in the face and knock him out.

[Tom Segura]

Well, the weird thing is if you watch, I feel like if you watch that again, the punch, none of it's like you're not watching pros, obviously. None of it seems like, it just seems kind of wild. And as he sees him stunned, he doesn't do what most people do when you stun somebody, which is follow up, right? He's kind of like, oh. Like it kind of. The body language lends itself to that theory. Like, he. He just was like.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's laughing, but he's also celebrating. He's like, ah, it. I knocked him out. Look how out of shape Ray J is too. That's a crazy thing to be accepting a fight when you're that out of shape. Super Hot Fire. That's the dude's name, Super Hot Fire.

[Tom Segura]

But see, he's just like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, both guys look like they didn't know what they're doing, but he hit him with one shot and that was all it took. That's crazy. So they must have made some sort of a deal. They weren't gonna hurt each other and they were gonna do it for money. I wonder how much you paid him.

[Tom Segura]

That's so weird.

[Jamie]

Someone asked during the press conference they had, which I thought was true. Ray J said like a month or two ago he was dying of some heart disease or something really bad. And there was like, you're fighting. He's like, yeah, I'm going in here to die.

[Tom Segura]

You saw the Cam Newton thing, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Cam Newton?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. With Ray J.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, that's the best clip of the year on the Internet. What is it when Cam's like, are you gay? You haven't seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, it's the best.

[Joe Rogan]

When on Cam's podcast.

[Tom Segura]

Yes, it's the best. No, you got. You got. I can't do it justice.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, okay.

[Tom Segura]

It's the best thing I've ever seen. And part of what's so great is that you know this. I know this from. From conducting interviews. There's a certain point in an interview when you're. That you're having with someone where if they start saying something, the best thing you can do is shut the up, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

Like, you can just go give him some air. And Cam just like, where does Cam. Cam is. Is 80 of the comedy, but it is the best. The full clip is just incredible. Is that the whole thing?

[Jamie]

So it's at least over a minute.

[Willie Ray]

Oh, you asked me that last time.

[Joe Rogan]

And I just.

[Willie Ray]

So I listen to like, Biggie Smalls. You like Biggie? Are you a fan of Biggie?

[Joe Rogan]

Can you just answer my question?

[Tom Segura]

He just said, are you gay?

[Willie Ray]

I have an analogy to it. There's something.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you answer yes or no and

[Tom Segura]

then go into that

[Willie Ray]

shout out to the gay G. Yes. What does it matter if I'm gay or not?

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't matter. I just asking a question.

[Willie Ray]

It's People. People like people when they leave here, we're all together when you leave and it's done and it's a wrap for the day. Everybody's gonna do something. Everybody's gonna go to their prospective places. Some people are gonna go home and I hate to say this, but it's just gonna be grimy. But I'm sure there's people that go home. They got a dog, the favorite dog. They stop by the store, grab some peanut butter.

[Joe Rogan]

Lee Ray, how old are you?

[Tom Segura]

I'm 45.

[Joe Rogan]

You're 45 years old.

[Tom Segura]

In 45 years of living, have you ever been with a man? This is not the full version.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it cuts off.

[Tom Segura]

You cut off. It cut off the best part.

[Jamie]

Sorry.

[Tom Segura]

That's all right, man.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. Try to find the full version. It's.

[Tom Segura]

It's so fantastic.

[Jamie]

Well, it's a three hour podcast.

[Tom Segura]

That's why I know there's a. Maybe the 412 one.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it?

[Tom Segura]

Or maybe this. What is this? How long is this one?

[Joe Rogan]

This is. This Might be talking about having sex with women though. Said he's had sex with 11,500 women.

[Willie Ray]

It was a. It was a massive.

[Joe Rogan]

You're talking about different partners.

[Tom Segura]

What?

[Willie Ray]

Yeah. So we did a celebration booby trapped app.

[Tom Segura]

I would scroll, try to get to where we were.

[Joe Rogan]

Could go for how many times you've had sex.

[Willie Ray]

10,000 different people. I want to be at 99,000. I can only a thousand more. I can't do anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

But the average of of get really good bites.

[Tom Segura]

The volume of different sex partners.

[Willie Ray]

Some of my home girls. But I don't think like that's what's your body count?

[Tom Segura]

No, this isn't it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's not it. This is just a body count thing.

[Tom Segura]

If you go, if you go back back to your search. 412 there on that. That might be it. See that one? This might be it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people go home, put peanut butter on themselves.

[Tom Segura]

It's so much better.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Just pass it past where we were.

[Willie Ray]

So people like people.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, this, this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this. Scoot ahead a little bit.

[Willie Ray]

When they leave here all together,

[Joe Rogan]

it's

[Willie Ray]

like he's trying to grab some peanut butter.

[Tom Segura]

Watch this, right?

[Willie Ray]

Go home excited to see they dog. They put a bunch of peanut butter on their feet till the dog could lick it off. Some people even go further to watch TV on all fours, slap a little bit of peanut butter in the car, crack and enjoy theyel and the dog is having a good time. Right. I don't know what that Is it's none of my business.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever did it?

[Jamie]

He's not looking at him.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever did it?

[Willie Ray]

Have I ever had a dog lick my ass with peanut butter in it?

[Tom Segura]

No, he felt.

[Willie Ray]

But I'm familiar with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so Willy Ray.

[Willie Ray]

I'm familiar with it because I caught somebody doing it.

[Tom Segura]

Willie Ray got.

[Willie Ray]

I won't say no names, but Willie Ray. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

How old are you?

[Tom Segura]

I'm 45.

[Jamie]

I'm 45.

[Tom Segura]

You're 45 years old. In 45 years of living, have you ever been with a man?

[Joe Rogan]

No, you have not.

[Willie Ray]

I. You have not. Is now you going into it?

[Tom Segura]

No, I'm not.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just trying to confirm.

[Willie Ray]

Yeah, but I don't want to. But here's the thing. Thing. I sit on a gagency board. Pause. And I'm the only straight person on the board. But again, I have friends. Shout out to. To Rod. Shout out to dumping D. Shout out to back shot.

[Joe Rogan]

Dumping D. Back shot.

[Willie Ray]

And everybody else that. That supports the agency.

[Joe Rogan]

The gay agency. What is the gaygency?

[Tom Segura]

I have no idea. He's on the board.

[Willie Ray]

It's not an agency, it's a gay agency.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, there you go.

[Willie Ray]

All things LGBTQ +I I I'm sorry just cuz you. I was already going there and then you looked up and I plus I But it's. I.

[Tom Segura]

Okay, cool. Cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, cool.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Willie Ray]

I didn't want to have to ask this, but it's fair. Are you gay?

[Joe Rogan]

No, sir. Okay.

[Willie Ray]

See?

[Joe Rogan]

And I've never experienced nobody getting licked. I'm just.

[Tom Segura]

But that.

[Willie Ray]

Ask some older people. Older people do that? No, I'm thinking like it's like 50, 55.

[Joe Rogan]

Older. Older people. Older people, they get their asshole by dogs.

[Jamie]

Just keep going.

[Joe Rogan]

No, we get it. I get it. Boy, he's insane.

[Tom Segura]

Isn't that great?

[Joe Rogan]

What a character. You should have him on your mom's house.

[Tom Segura]

I would love to have him explain

[Joe Rogan]

what the post fight speech was about.

[Tom Segura]

What was that about?

[Jamie]

Yeah, is he also the one that had the products with the glasses?

[Tom Segura]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, dude.

[Jamie]

He's invented some of the world's best products. I don't know if you know about that.

[Tom Segura]

That's amazing, dude. It's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

What is the, the post fight speech? See if you can find that. Because he said something really crazy. The way he said it was like very strange. Talking about.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, he was like getting interviewed and then he's like, yo, man. Like literally he's like, I thought, I thought we weren't doing this.

[Joe Rogan]

I Don't want to get anybody in trouble.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or anything. I thought we had a D deal.

[Tom Segura]

Which seems like if people were placing bets on that, that's a. Which they definitely were.

[Joe Rogan]

They had to. People place bets on everything.

[Tom Segura]

There was another fight. Manziel fought too, Right? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tom Segura]

People had to be placing bets.

[Joe Rogan]

100. Absolutely.

[Tom Segura]

I mean, that's the way to get a visit from the FBI, I feel like. You know. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it also seems like you're admitting to a crime, which is like, maybe it's just because you got a concussion.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, sure. You could. I was just talking.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what I was saying. Yeah, I was talking crazy. I was trying to save face.

[Tom Segura]

Peanut butter in my ass. And I just didn't know what I was saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretending that I didn't know which I.

[Jamie]

In the ring or this.

[Tom Segura]

It was in the ring.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

There's a small part, but they cut it out. See.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, that was.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, here. Grand Risk event.

[Willie Ray]

And now the Internet thinks this whole thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Hold on. Don't talk to him. You don't deserve to talk to him. You don't got a good ass haircut.

[Tom Segura]

And then came here and got spun.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought we had a plan. What the.

[Tom Segura]

I thought we had a plan.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's more to it, though.

[Jamie]

This is not the best video to pull from.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm trying to find it. I think I have it here.

[Tom Segura]

Imagine getting your ass whooped by Super Hot Fire.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a great name.

[Jamie]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

I got it, Jamie. Here, I'll send it to you.

[Tom Segura]

Joe, who knocked you out?

[Joe Rogan]

Super Hot Fire.

[Tom Segura]

That's pretty tight.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, what are you gonna do? Yeah, I sent it to you. It's just bizarre the way he says it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like you are either making excuse or this is the dumbest criminal ever. Ever got a plan.

[Willie Ray]

I don't want to say too much because I don't want to get nobody

[Joe Rogan]

in trouble, but damn.

[Willie Ray]

My. We. We took a l tonight.

[Joe Rogan]

We didn't take. Your ass was over here. I gotta talk to the. About y' all talk backstage.

[Tom Segura]

Super.

[Joe Rogan]

We didn't think you was gonna win.

[Tom Segura]

So how y' all lost money?

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Willie Ray]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo.

[Tom Segura]

I mean, that seems real. As though.

[Joe Rogan]

That seemed very real.

[Tom Segura]

That seemed very real.

[Joe Rogan]

So they must have. Must have said, listen, I'm going to put a bunch of money on me to win. Yeah, you have me win. And he just. Look how much money we just lost. They were going to split the money.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Some Pulp Fiction right there, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, boy. We'll see.

[Tom Segura]

Super hot fire is like. Super hot fire doesn't take no money

[Joe Rogan]

for super hot fire Gets killed in the drive by. We know what's up.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right now you can't even retaliate.

[Tom Segura]

That's nuts, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It's crazy that he admitted it publicly.

[Tom Segura]

It's like, very strange right in the moment.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, very strange. Very strange that he would. I just. I mean, maybe just got knocked out. Maybe he's never been knocked out before, and he was just, like, confused.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's why he said it. But it seems like that was real.

[Tom Segura]

That did seem very real.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And Super Hot fire wasn't like, what the are you talking about?

[Tom Segura]

He kind of just.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, yeah, got the best. You can't take a shot got.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. He's like, how much money we lost?

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder how much money they'll know. Like, they'll know bets. Yeah, 100%.

[Tom Segura]

And they'll also know, like, we got a few $200,000 bets that we should investigate. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, the UFC has had a real problem with that.

[Tom Segura]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

In what way?

[Joe Rogan]

While they caught people, they caught suspicious betting. And then, like, the line changes, like, very quickly, and there's a bunch of money being dumped on one fighter, and then to. To lose in a very specific way, like the first round, and the fighter loses in the first round when they were the favorite. And then you find out that his coaches have been on him and other different people. So it looks like they dumped the fight.

[Tom Segura]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Or maybe they went into the fight with a blown out knee and they knew it was blown out, and they said, I'm just gonna just put a bunch of money on me to lose. And they go out and fight and lose. So the FBI is involved, and so there's a bunch of different fights that are being investigated. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

There was that crazy doc about that college basketball one from years ago that was just incredible. And the way that it all fell apart was they just got too greedy, you know, because they had a guy who. I think he was the point guard maybe at ASU or something. And. And once they had him, you know, like, locked in on this, they just. And they realized he really could swing it how they wanted to. They started just betting crazy. And then, yeah, the FBI was looking at these betting lines and saying, like, oh, really? There's $2 million on this game from. From one per. Like, this is. They started to just get keyed in on it, and then the whole thing got exposed.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of funny that people don't think they're gonna get caught doing something like that.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Especially at that, like where you go like, oh, just all the money can go in and it's like, yeah, it's too much, man. You know, you probably could have gotten away with, with 25 grand or whatever, you know, like something that doesn't really ring alarms. But if you start putting seven figures down, you don't think anyone's gonna take a second look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

What are the rules? Like, what do you like, you can't dump a fight, but if you know someone's hurt, like say if I know someone's hurt and I'm like, ooh, I know he's hurt, I'm gonna put a bunch of money on him to lose. I wonder if that's legal. Is that insider trading?

[Tom Segura]

I don't think it is. I also feel like it's different. Maybe I'm wrong. If you are getting a bunch of people to do it versus you're doing it because you had, you know, I mean, because right. How could somebody, you can't be sure

[Joe Rogan]

that he's not going to still try to win.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Also it's like, did you put a five million dollar bet on it?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, look at this way. Imagine if I found out that Strickland hurt his shoulder shoulder that week and I'm like, oh, his shoulder's blown out. I'm putting all the money on Hamza. And then I lost. DraftKings explicitly prohibits betting by insiders on sports or events where they have an unfair material or non public advantage. This applies to athletes, coaches, referees, team personnel and sportsbook employees using private information to gain a betting edge. But none of those people that they mentioned there, athletes, coaches, referees, team personnel. Now none of them is like your friends with a guy because you train at the same gym as him.

[Tom Segura]

That's true. That's not also this is saying that this private company can do this, but legally, is this a legal thing?

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's where I was when you brought up the $5 million bet. If they lose a big bet like that, you definitely got to assume they're going to look into like, well, who the was this when they make the bet? How many times have they done this? They get lucky one time.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at the Strickland fight. Like if you. So he was training with Johnny Eblin, who's the middleweight champ of the pfl. Badass, like beast, beast wrestler. And that's how he hurt his shoulder. And so like if you were there during those training sessions and you're like, oh, he's hurt. I'm gonna sneak away and put some money on it. I wonder if that's legal.

[Tom Segura]

I wonder if it is too because

[Joe Rogan]

first of all you would have lost because Strickland wound up winning anyway.

[Tom Segura]

Exploiting non public information, such as knowing a star player is injured before it is announced, can lead to criminal charges. Individuals caught coordinating insider betting schemes have faced federal felony charges including wire fraud, bribery and illegal gambling.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but how's it bribery?

[Jamie]

Depends on what.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What the circumstances are. But if you were in that situation and you bet on Strickland to lose and he actually did lose and you knew. I want wonder. I wonder because in that fight he was the, the underdog anyway.

[Tom Segura]

That is kind of interesting. What is the legal threshold for public information? You know, because that's really what we're talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's about gambling in the stock market.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, do you see that thing that I sent you, Jamie?

[Jamie]

Yeah. And I.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that real?

[Jamie]

Well, it's. So that's a many things. Use that for statistics. That's things using percentages. So there's a chart Joe sent me about like the amount the S P has gone up versus Repository, Republicans and Democrats, and it's a percentage thing. Democrats are up with 900%, I think Republicans like 600%. The S&P was up like 508%. But percentages don't tell you like what you started with and what you ended with.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

You could have started with a hundred billion dollars and you made $1 billion and you made 1% versus someone who made $1 million. It doesn't sound the same. But they're not relative.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, but they did. When you look at the chart and you look at the difference between the Republicans and Democrats in terms of insider trading in Congress, they're are all doing it.

[Tom Segura]

They're all doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why they can do it. Yeah, because they're all doing it. If it was only the Democrats, the Republicans be like, what the bro?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But since they're all doing it, everybody's like, well there's a problem. There's no problem. I don't see nothing.

[Jamie]

Here's the chart. This is like an account that just takes data and makes charts out of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So it's them doing better than the S and P always.

[Jamie]

But again, just using percentages is not a great way because somebody could say something went up 77% or went up 300%. It doesn't matter what you're talking about it sounds like a lot, but.

[Tom Segura]

Right.

[Jamie]

It might not be relative to what the actual number was.

[Tom Segura]

Well, that's really interesting that they're doing so well. This is also saying, like, your luck,

[Jamie]

people could just bet on Nvidia itself has gone up a shitload.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

If you just put money in Nvidia, you'd make.

[Tom Segura]

I'll say this. That's a tough thing to resist, to be sitting in Congress and you know

[Joe Rogan]

you're not going to get punished. Yeah. No one, I mean, a few people have been punished. Right. We looked that up the other day.

[Jamie]

Day.

[Joe Rogan]

A few blabber Mouse. Probably some outsider, some that they were like, him. Throw him under the bus. Yeah, they probably had a few guys they threw under the bus.

[Tom Segura]

And it's probably somebody that didn't have a portfolio.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't Trump do a lot of, like, stock purchases?

[Tom Segura]

He's made a fortune. He's made a fortune.

[Jamie]

They made a settlement with the irs.

[Tom Segura]

I think that's why a lot of

[Jamie]

it came out recently. But, like, he can't be charged with anything or.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, they can't be. The latest thing is that he and his kids and his company cannot be audited.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cool.

[Tom Segura]

That is cool. That's my settlement.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the settlement? What was the IRS being sued for? What was the accusation?

[Tom Segura]

It was for the leak of his tax returns.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so the IRS leaked his tax returns.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. He said they were reckless and.

[Willie Ray]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Settlement of his 10 billion dollar lawsuit.

[Joe Rogan]

2018 leak of his tax returns. New York Times. The. In the US Is forever barred and precluded from examining or prosecuting Trump, his sons, and the Trump Organization's current tax filings, according to one page document released Tuesday. That is so crazy. Imagine like somebody accused you of murder.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it turns out you weren't guilty of that murder. And then you sue them. You go, you can never prosecute me for murder again. And then you just go, go straight Uday Hussein. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

And they're like, it's cool. Yeah, it's fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's.

[Tom Segura]

Now here's the only thing that the detail of that are. Is. Is part of that settlement that says that, like the language that they cannot be for their current tax filings. Does that mean, though, that in the future, future filings also fall under that immunity?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, go back, Go back, please. This is crazy. Like, go back to the top of the. That right there. Under the sentiment to resolve Trump's $10 billion lawsuit over the 2018 link, leak of his tax returns. To the New York Times, the US Is forever barred and precluded. But now look at the end that it was quietly added to the original establishment, original settlement, establishing a $1.8 billion fund to compensate people who Trump thinks were improperly investigated by the government.

[Jamie]

January 6th fund, I believe.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

They're paying for all of their legal fees.

[Tom Segura]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But 1.8 billion is probably more than their legal fees, I would imagine.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. It's also going to be for like, you know, I was, I was compensation.

[Joe Rogan]

So do they get compensated?

[Tom Segura]

They're all, they're all filing, you know, making claims. Are they? Yeah, well, a lot of them are making claims. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, here's what's for sure. There were government. Government people that were rabble rousers. There were people that were trying to get people to go into the Capitol. That's a fact. How many? There's, they call them agent provocateurs. Right. So there's people that your tax dollars pay that were trying to get people to commit crimes. We don't know how many.

[Tom Segura]

We don't know. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And supposedly. No, they were just there to monitor. Really. Okay. But we know that people have done that in the past where they've encouraged people to commit crimes.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And we do know that there was some knowledge that this was going to happen and that they, they wanted it to happen. They wanted to happen exactly that way. And they encourage people to do it so they can make it look like Donald Trump is a real threat.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And keep him from running for reelection again.

[Tom Segura]

That didn't work out.

[Joe Rogan]

The whole thing is crazy. Like, imagine that there are government employees with government tax dollars. They're being paid, and they're being paid to encourage people to commit crimes they would have never committed without it. We know that's a fact. That's a real thing.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a guy in Dallas who was 19 years old that they tricked into detonating a fake bomb. They radicalized him, gave him a cell phone, gave him a bomb.

[Tom Segura]

The feds, the fed heads. Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

They, they made him a jihadist. So he goes to detonate the bomb. It's not a real bomb anyway. And then lock him up in jail forever. They give him the bomb. They give him the cell phone to detonate the bomb. They talk him into doing it, the whole deal.

[Tom Segura]

And there's not going to be any. They're just like, that's done.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it. How about that lady in. What was it? Michigan? Which state was it where the. They. There was 14 people that were trying to kidnapper. Turns out 12 of them were FBI informants.

[Tom Segura]

What the.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yes. Yes. It was Michigan.

[Tom Segura]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that lady's name?

[Jamie]

The Whitmer.

[Joe Rogan]

Governor Whitmer. 14 people involved in this kidnapping plot. 12 of them were FBI informants. So it's like a whole crew of FBI fed with the goal of what? Of arresting these two suckers, these two retards that think it's a good idea to play along with these dorks. And these guys were like, we thought we were just talking shit. Yeah.

[Tom Segura]

Now they're locked up. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry. But I mean, that's. They spent money on this. It's like your tax dollars go to try to trick people into doing a crime that you know they're going to do and they're never going to be able to do because you're going to arrest them before they go to do it.

[Tom Segura]

It sucks as a criminal to think that you have to really doubt who you're working with, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Hard times.

[Tom Segura]

It's hard, man. I thought we were gonna have some fun. Turns out you're a snitch.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe that could be an episode of. Yeah, yeah. Next season.

[Tom Segura]

Good one.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a good one. Right?

[Tom Segura]

Fun one.

[Joe Rogan]

That's actually a very good one. There's probably a lot of room for comedy in that.

[Tom Segura]

Tons.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just crazy because it's like they have to. This. This is the problem. And it's not entirely. It is their first fault that they did that, but it's not entirely their fault because they have to make arrests. You want another one or are you good?

[Tom Segura]

No, I'm good, thanks.

[Joe Rogan]

If you want to have a career, your career is dependent upon you making arrests.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, this is the stuff that I've worked with Josh Dubin, with the wrongfully prosecuted and convicted people. One of the things you find out is that a lot of these prosecutors, what it is, is they want to boost up their career by getting cases handled.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They wanted. They want to arrest people. They want those people to be convicted. That makes them look good. So they just monkey around with the evidence.

[Tom Segura]

This feels like. Like a traffic cop meeting his quota, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. You didn't use your blinker and you're like, what the are you doing, man?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I had a guy pull me over and then he recognized me and let me go, but he pulled me over and said that I crossed the white line. And I was like, what? And he goes. He was. He followed me. Like, the moment I left where I was at, he was on my ass, like, immediately. So I saw across the white. Like. So he's. I was in my little loud BMW, my little E46, and it's, you know, probably like, look at this douchebag.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, yeah, he's probably drunk.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Thankfully, I was completely sober. But he pulls me over and he's like, I saw you cross the white line back there. I go, really? I go, okay. I go, I don't think I did, but. And he goes, joe Rogan. And then like, oh, it's. I'm just looking for drunks. I'm like, okay, well, I'm not drunk.

[Tom Segura]

So he was just gonna try to.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they have a quota. I think they have a quota, and I think, like, they have to make arrests, and maybe they pull you over and they realize you're not drunk, and so they just inconvenience you for five minutes and they'll let you go.

[Tom Segura]

I had one of those.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had that happen before.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I dropped my phone once when I was on the highway in la, and I reached down in between my legs to pick up my phone, and I must have, like, moved to one. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, okay, I got out. I gotta do the whole thing and touch my nose, the whole deal.

[Tom Segura]

This guy accused me of. The cop accused me of trying to ditch him, too. He's like, you try to ditch me? And I was like, what? He goes, you took a right here. And I was like, that's because I'm going this way. Like, I made it right, because I'm going this way. He's like, where are you going? I was, I'm going to my mom's house. He was like, where she lived? Yeah. I was like, up here. Then it left. And he was like, all right. He's like, he tried to get away

[Joe Rogan]

one time, this guy in a truck didn't see me and totally turned into my lane, and I had to go into the. I mean, I was. I was in a Tesla. Luckily, it was fast, so I avoided it and shot back into my lane ahead of him. But it was like this guy came, like, inches away from hitting me, and I had to go into the opposite lane to pass him. And then I had. There was no one in the opposite lane. Yeah, I did it. And then all of a sudden, the lights come on, and he goes, I saw you pass that guy back there. And he goes, you smell like liquor. I go, I have. I'm not. I haven't drank a single drop of alcohol. I do Not. He goes, you smell like liquor. I go, no, I don't. And he goes, joe Rogan. I go, yeah. I go, what are you doing, man? I go, I go, go. Look at your. Can you have a camera right on your car. I go, go. Look at what happened. And so he looks at it, I go, that guy almost fucking hit me. And he goes, oh, I just saw it. Yeah, he almost hit me.

[Tom Segura]

You.

[Joe Rogan]

He goes, hey, man, I love ufc.

[Tom Segura]

Like, okay, cool, cool.

[Joe Rogan]

But, like, you didn't. You were pretending I was drunk. You're pretending you smelled liquor.

[Tom Segura]

Somebody else would have had a real hard time with that.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The I smell liquor was infuriating. I'm like, come on, dude, I'm coming.

[Tom Segura]

So upsetting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think it was coming from, like, somewhere innocuous, like the gym or something. I was like, what do you. What the Is wrong with you? Yeah, you're saying you smell liquor. You definitely don't smell like you're just being an ass. Yeah, but they have a quota. They have a quota. It's like, imagine being them, like, hey, Tom, haven't met your quota. What would they. What would they do if no one. If we. We all just said, hey, this quota thing is everybody for the next month. Never speed. Always use your blinker, Stop at every stoplight.

[Tom Segura]

They would come up with something else.

[Joe Rogan]

What the. Would they do?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, they would. They would come up with. There'd be a new. Something would change in the law that would be illegal, that people were doing. Doing.

[Joe Rogan]

But if no one's. If. So, it's just speeding. Let's say speeding. If no one sped for a month, what the Would they do?

[Tom Segura]

I mean, they would. They would pinch people for something else. They just absolutely would.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Tom Segura]

It generates too much revenue.

[Joe Rogan]

But isn't that crazy to think that the cops. The serve and protect, they're supposed to be. That they're glorified revenue collectors.

[Tom Segura]

When you see these. The. These police departments that they investigate for being. Being super corrupt, like, the level of corruption in some of them is mind blowing. Like, no, there was even that chief. The chief that was. And I think it was in Jersey that was just, like, tormenting the entire department. He'd shave his back on people's desk, stick a hypodermic needle in their leg, put Viagra in the coffee. He's just, like, with everybody. Yeah, he was like, tormenting people.

[Joe Rogan]

Where was that?

[Tom Segura]

In Jersey? Jersey. That's definitely stuck.

[Joe Rogan]

A hypodermic needle.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, dude. He was absolutely crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Just as he had power huh?

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. He was going.

[Joe Rogan]

He was going, what is it about people that have power over people where they just like 8 out of 10 times abuse it?

[Tom Segura]

I don't know. That's like, all the dictator stuff I've been reading is like, why are you

[Joe Rogan]

reading so much about dictators?

[Tom Segura]

I don't. The stories are just so wild. The idiomine thing was just. Is so crazy. Again, like, came from extreme poverty, neglected by his father, humiliated by the British, then joins the battalion by the. Like, to work with the same people that humiliated him, came to power, and then became a complete megalomaniac. I mean, and also, you see, one thing you see in all these dictators is such extreme paranoia, Know, because when you operate in a place of wanting to instill fear, you feel fear, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

So they're all super paranoid, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if Uday was paranoid. Probably not.

[Tom Segura]

That's a good question.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he probably had so much power that he didn't have to be.

[Tom Segura]

His pops is paranoid. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His own son's gonna kill him.

[Tom Segura]

The. The. The Kim's super paranoid, you know?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Segura]

All of them.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they have to be.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah. Because you just, Just, you know, you're in such fear, and you just instill fear and then you go, some, someone's. And they're right because people are turning on them. There's all these, like, attempts on their life.

[Jamie]

Well, says his brother Kus.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Hours before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Kouse withdrew approximately $1 billion in cash. In cash, 100 bills.

[Tom Segura]

What?

[Jamie]

Yeah, right here.

[Joe Rogan]

900 million in $100 bills. The equivalent of 100 million in euros. Loaded them into three tractor trailers and left. So $100 million in euros and $900 million in $100 bills. And loaded in a tractor. Considered the largest bank heist in history.

[Jamie]

Got there at 4am Wait a minute.

[Tom Segura]

Also, it says until 2011, personal orders from his dad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but is that his money or anybody's money? Whoever's money, it is.

[Tom Segura]

But, bro, what's the bank heist in 2011 that surpassed passes that.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's the English one. Oh, is that the one says $6

[Jamie]

billion in Iraq missing, but have been stolen.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what's that one? But this just makes sense, man. It's like whenever there's a war, whenever there's chaos, there's a bunch of people that are gonna steal some money.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Iraq wants its money back. Los Angeles Times this. It's that some of the officials in. In Baghdad have Threatened to take the US Government to court port to reclaim the missing loot. Good luck. Good luck with that. They'll start bombing you again. They'll find some more weapons of mass destruction.

[Jamie]

Love says it was u. S. Taxpayer dollars.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, of course. Of course they should. While they're looking for that, look for the 24 billion that they spent on the homeless in California. This is like everywhere you look, there's people stealing money in. Where do you think he ways the

[Tom Segura]

billion that he put into tractors ended up though? Like, I like how it just ends. He put it into tractors. End of story. Right. Where'd it go? Where did that go? Because he was killed shortly thereafter.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Where's that money?

[Tom Segura]

It's a lot of money.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot of cash. 12 billion in cash was flown into Iraq at 21 separate C130 flights in May of 2004. That's why they like going to war. That's why these like going to war. Because for sure you can get some the of that.

[Tom Segura]

You're going to rain cash, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of that's yours.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you and I are running some defense contracting company like, listen, Tommy, that yacht you got your eye on.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is.

[Tom Segura]

Here it is, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is.

[Tom Segura]

Let's drop a few bombs. Let's do it.

[Joe Rogan]

100 million.

[Tom Segura]

Let's do it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a drop in the bucket for this operation.

[Jamie]

It's a very similar claim.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Afghanistan's Taliban displays pallets of cash received for humanitarian aid. Yeah. They just give them cash? Yeah. They just give them cash? Yeah. Look at that. Bricks of it. Look at what it looks like.

[Jamie]

A million in cash.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nothing.

[Jamie]

There you go.

[Tom Segura]

Jesus, don't.

[Joe Rogan]

This is what Tim Burchette was saying, that we give him that every month.

[Jamie]

Yeah. This is why I found that. This article, this one here.

[Tom Segura]

Look at that packaging, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we send that to them every month. American tax dollars.

[Tom Segura]

And then we go do the right thing.

[Joe Rogan]

And then we're like, we don't have any money to fix the streets. We don't have any money to pay teachers. But we have 40 million a month for the Taliban.

[Tom Segura]

I wish you would talk to whoever's in charge of infrastructure in this city to fix some of these streets.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They're not gonna listen to me.

[Tom Segura]

There's so many potholes.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of potholes, dude.

[Tom Segura]

And just destroyed even in residential areas. The street is up, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. I wonder why they don't fix that.

[Tom Segura]

I don't know either.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not like it's not money around here.

[Tom Segura]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe get Spencer proud if he loses in LA to run for mayor of Austin.

[Tom Segura]

Come to Austin, bro. We could use you.

[Joe Rogan]

Has he got a chance in la? What do you think?

[Tom Segura]

I think anyone's got a chance. I think. I think if you put together a campaign that gets some excitement and people talking, you have a chance in la. I really do like that city. The people there are desperate. They're desperate and also they live for entertainment. So entertain him a little, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's entertaining.

[Tom Segura]

He's entertaining as shit.

[Joe Rogan]

You see one of the things he's doing, he's putting a stencil down on the streets and power washing Spencer Pratt for mayor into the dirty streets.

[Tom Segura]

No. Is he really?

[Joe Rogan]

So he's clever. Putting it on the sidewalk and the sidewalks are so disgusting that if you put the stencil down and power wash it.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You could see it clearly.

[Tom Segura]

I mean, I. If you think that that guy doesn't have a chance, I would remind you that our president is a reality show host.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I think he's good. I think his ideas are good. I think Spencer, I've had him in here, he's got some good ideas. I mean, he definitely wants to stop all this camp.

[Tom Segura]

He's running against the incumbent or who. How many people is he running?

[Joe Rogan]

The incumbent and another woman, you know, but he's running as a Republican.

[Tom Segura]

How's he probably.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Probably not.

[Jamie]

Well, Kalshi, the trading market, he's in

[Joe Rogan]

second place behind her. Behind Karen Bass. Imagine that she burned down the entire Pacific Palisades by not having any water in the hydrants, not having any water in the reservoirs. And they're like, yeah, but, but let's give her another chance.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, she was busy.

[Joe Rogan]

She didn't have time to save all those houses. Aren't you glad you sold your house for it? Burnt to a crisp.

[Tom Segura]

It's really crazy. I did a fundraiser show a couple weeks ago in Aladina.

[Joe Rogan]

Altadena is even a worse situation because those people don't have any money.

[Tom Segura]

I know. It's really.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of them, working class families lost everything.

[Tom Segura]

I saw. I haven't been to my old street, but I saw a video. It's. It just looks like a. Like a bomb. Like a bomb went off. Yeah, it was really crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm glad we moved, dude. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm really glad you didn't lose your house.

[Tom Segura]

Me too, man. That would have just been. I feel. I really do feel for the people that did. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

I know quite a few.

[Tom Segura]

Horrific.

[Joe Rogan]

I know quite a few.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah, I do. I do.

[Joe Rogan]

One of my good friend Matt, he lost his place.

[Tom Segura]

It's really sad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Anyway, dude, your show's awesome.

[Tom Segura]

Thanks.

[Joe Rogan]

On Netflix right now. It's really, really funny.

[Tom Segura]

Thanks so much. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just so preposterous and so irreverent and. And again, shout out to Netflix. We're having the cajones.

[Tom Segura]

Yes. Thank you, Netflix.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. Thank you so much to do that show.

[Tom Segura]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. Go watch it. I love you, buddy.

[Tom Segura]

Love you, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. See you. Your next chapter in healthcare starts at

[Tom Segura]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Tom Segura]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Tom Segura]

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[Joe Rogan]

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