#2519 - Scott Eastwood

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2519 – Scott Eastwood

Date: June 26, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Scott Eastwood

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Episode Overview

Joe Rogan welcomes actor Scott Eastwood for a wide-ranging and candid conversation. The episode covers Scott’s venture into supplements and wellness, deep dives into nutrition and American food culture, tough commentary on political polarization and media, the struggles and psychology of fame and acting (including the challenges Scott’s faced as Clint Eastwood’s son), life lessons, mental health, and stories from the set. The tone is casual but critical, inquisitive, and always colored with Joe and Scott's trademark sense of humor and raw honesty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scott Eastwood’s New Supplement Company & Wellness

Timestamps: 00:18–03:45

• Scott introduces North Performance: a supplement company started with a Stanford doctor, crafted for high-performing individuals, and himself becoming part owner.

  “This is the best supplements on the planet… all the amino acids, your creatines, all of them. One supplement.” – Scott Eastwood (01:10)

• Focus on efficacy and 3rd party testing:

  “It’s totally third party tested… my very wealthy buddy started it for himself. He was like, ‘I want the best of the best.’” – Scott Eastwood (02:53)

• Subscription-based, ‘one and done’ daily powder packs.
• Discussion on the challenges of supplement regimens and the benefit of targeted, custom blends based on bloodwork.

  “If you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood work. They’ll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs.” – Joe Rogan (05:15)

2. The Sad State of American Food & the “Blue Zone” Lifestyle

Timestamps: 05:55–16:35

• Contrast between European and American food: Both men note feeling healthier in Europe due to less processed food, different agricultural standards, and traditional food processing.
• Scott’s observation from visiting a cheese factory in Italy:

  “Why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America? …it gets the lactose out, whereas [in the U.S.] we just slap it in and send it out.” – Scott Eastwood (10:57)

• Rogan references Danny Dure’s viral breakdown of U.S. bread and wheat:

  “It’s not so much the gluten as what we’ve done to the grain… ultra processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat soaked in glyphosate.” – (13:33)

• Policy and industry resistance: Discussion of food industry lobbying, U.S. political gridlock, and regulatory capture.

3. Political Polarization and “Groupthink”

Timestamps: 16:35–19:47

• Why health, nutrition, and organic food have become polarized topics.
• Groupthink as a social problem:

  “The groupthink we have to all really align with is the groupthink of being open-minded… You are not your ideas.” – Joe Rogan (17:04)

• Both emphasize the importance of holding independent, critical views and detaching identity from one's opinions.

  “Both things can be true.” – Scott Eastwood (17:02)

4. Divide & Conquer: Distraction by Culture Wars

Timestamps: 19:19–23:19

• Political and media elites benefit from keeping everyday people divided over “culture war” issues.

  “If you don’t have division, that’s when the pitchforks come out… There’s actually just one higher group that are making the decisions. The big money.” – Scott Eastwood (18:19)

• Manipulation via distraction: Clinton, Lewinsky, and the bombing example.
• “Red vs Blue” simplicity keeps people distracted from more fundamental problems.

5. Fame, Purpose, and Meaningful Work

Timestamps: 31:21–34:40

• Scott shares a personal story about taking a sabbatical at 40, expecting perspective but finding himself more depressed, highlighting the importance of purposeful work.

  “I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed… it kind of just goes back to just stay busy, get up and do.” – Scott Eastwood (32:03)

• Rogan: “Find your thing” philosophy

  “Give people the tools to be excited about things… most people feel like the economy sucks, I just gotta get a job. Then you just get home and want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself.” – Joe Rogan (33:05)

6. The Grind: Craft, Success, & Celebrity Lineage

Timestamps: 34:40–36:02

• Scott on being Clint Eastwood’s son in Hollywood

  “Made it worse. People were like, ‘nah’… Years and years of hustling and putting in the work.” – Scott Eastwood (35:22)

• Rogan details the “10,000 hour rule” and why genuine interest and intentionality beat just clocking time.

7. Physical & Mental Health: Exercise, ADHD, and Life Balance

Timestamps: 63:35–67:01

• Both reflect on exercise and routines as crucial for mental health.

  “I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain, like above the body stuff. For me, it’s my brain.” – Joe Rogan (63:54)

• Candid talk about ADHD and dyslexia.

  “ADHD is a superpower.” – Joe Rogan (64:19)

8. Drugs, Legalization, and Harm Reduction

Timestamps: 50:00–62:35

• Nuanced discussion on marijuana, psychedelics, and legalizing all drugs

  “If they made drugs legal right now, I’m not going to buy heroin… But some people will.” – Joe Rogan (51:30) “What you’re not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organized crime. And that’s what we’re doing now.” – Joe Rogan (56:32)

• MDMA, PTSD, and therapy: Myths about MDMA damaging the brain, and new research/applications in therapy.

9. Masculinity, Toughness, and Martial Arts

Timestamps: 70:48–73:00

• Dangerous experiences and rites of passage (martial arts, surfing big waves, physical risk) as crucial for building resilience and humility.

  “Strong people are good. It’s good to have strong people.” – Joe Rogan (71:15)

• Masculinity discussions: Toxics are about behavior, not strength itself.

10. Acting, Fame, and Hollywood Realities

Timestamps: 99:53–115:12

• Scott on playing villains vs. heroes, and how acting should be approached as a job with boundaries.

  “I’m not one of these crazy psychos that let things become distorted in your mind. …It’s a job.” – Scott Eastwood (101:32)

• Downsides of fame and Hollywood: Why Scott doesn’t chase celebrity, being rich vs. being famous, and the dysfunctional behaviors incentivized in the industry.

  “People think they want to be famous. You don’t want to be famous. Rich, sure, rich is better.” – Scott Eastwood (114:06)

11. Discussions of War, WWII, and Moral Clarity

Timestamps: 128:06–137:03

• Scott shares about his new film "Lucky Strike" and meeting WWII veterans.

  “It comes with a cost doing these movies… you go and promote them and meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at the Washington Archives in D.C. 107 years old. Colonel Stern… He was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.” – Scott Eastwood (129:54)

• WWII as ‘last great war’ with clear good vs. evil.

12. Modern Conspiracy, Media Skepticism, and Current Events

Timestamps: 139:22–148:46

• Brainwashing, MK Ultra, media distrust – skepticism about narratives around the attempted assassination of Trump (referencing Tyler/Charlie Kirk).
• Why it’s “so hard these days to decide; nothing is 100% real.” – Scott Eastwood (146:46)
• Importance of self-fact-checking:

  "You're fact checking yourself. I think it's super important because people start regurgitating their own narrative." – Scott Eastwood (149:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Supplements:

  “I don't like to think. Give me pre pack.” – Joe Rogan (00:52)

• On American dieting:

  “As delicious as it tastes, [the American diet] is like garbage. It's bad for you. It's actually bad for you. It's not good for you.” – Joe Rogan (07:13)

• On purpose & depression:

  “I actually got more depressed… It kind of just goes back to just stay busy, get up and do.” – Scott Eastwood (32:03)

• On fame vs. genuine success:

  “People think they want to be famous. You don’t want to be famous. Rich, sure, rich is better.” – Scott Eastwood (114:06)

• On toxic masculinity vs real strength:

  “Masculine behavior is not [toxic]. It’s protective… All that is important. Strong people are good.” – Joe Rogan (71:15)

• On martial arts and humility:

  “You have to be humble and it’s good for you. It’s good for you to not be delusional.” – Joe Rogan (40:54)

• On acting:

  “Put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a creative endeavor...” – Scott Eastwood on his father, Clint Eastwood (115:02)

• On media & the search for truth:

  “It’s so hard these days to decide. Nothing is 100% real.” – Scott Eastwood (146:49)

• On WWII veterans/legacy:

  “You realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. ...It comes with a cost doing these movies.” – Scott Eastwood (128:24)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• Supplements & North Performance: 00:18–03:45
• Bread & U.S. Food Quality Rant: 12:48–16:35
• Purpose & Work/Life Philosophy: 31:21–34:40
• Martial arts, resilience, and humility: 70:48–73:00
• Hollywood stories & acting methods: 99:53–115:12
• WWII veterans/film discussion: 128:06–137:03
• Conspiracy/political skepticism: 139:22–148:46

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Final Notes

This episode is packed with humor, thoughtful critique of society, industry, and personal life lessons, all filtered through the lens of two guys who strive to stay grounded in a world they often find baffling. Scott's blend of humble candor and Rogan's relentless questioning create a densely informative and entertaining listen, especially valuable for those curious about behind-the-scenes Hollywood, modern health trends, and the wider state of society.

Scott’s new film, Lucky Strike, is out tomorrow.
North Performance supplements—on subscription now.

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For listeners:
Whether you want insights on physical/mental health, food culture, Hollywood realism, or just a string of laugh-out-loud stories about sharks, drugs, and American politics, this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Scott Eastwood]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Joe Rogan]

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day.

[Scott Eastwood]

Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Scotty, Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, back in the seat. Back in the hot seat.

[Joe Rogan]

You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's this box?

[Scott Eastwood]

This is the best supplements on the planet. Sourced from CH, Japan, America and Switzerland. North performance. Dr. Massey, do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started the company. I'm involved. I'm getting heavily involved in the ownership of it, and I'm excited about it. It's a one. You take it a day. Like one satchel.

[Joe Rogan]

It's got all the.

[Scott Eastwood]

All the shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so it's like a pre pack?

[Scott Eastwood]

It's a pre pack.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I like pre packs.

[Scott Eastwood]

You got one and done.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't like to think.

[Scott Eastwood]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Give me pre pack.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I like the. I take pures now. I take pure encapsulations. They have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I take those every day with a bunch of other shit.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll try your stuff, though. Okay.

[Jamie]

Check it out.

[Joe Rogan]

So what's so special about these vitamins?

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, it's just. It's more for the person who's, like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, all of them.

[Joe Rogan]

One supplement.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's big.

[Joe Rogan]

You'll see.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me see. Pull. Pull that out.

[Scott Eastwood]

Let's go, baby, go.

[Joe Rogan]

By the way, this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it is for Scott, but it's like.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, I ignore. I know you're involved in your ag.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but I just want people to know that, like. Yeah, I talk about cool regardless of whether or not it's an ad. And if something's going to be an ad, I have to approve it.

[Scott Eastwood]

O, look at you.

[Joe Rogan]

You need a knife.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Let's bust it out.

[Joe Rogan]

Montana Knife Company. Son.

[Jamie]

Take that.

[Scott Eastwood]

Good for cutting elk.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a Skinner, boy.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that sucker.

[Scott Eastwood]

Shave that dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Teach it to hunt. Make the best knives. Okay. All right. Supplements. So how long have you been involved in the whole supplement thing? Like, you've always taken them. Oh, it's all in powder?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, bro. Try dry scooping that, you're gonna choke to death.

[Jamie]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot of powder.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's a lot of powder.

[Joe Rogan]

That I believe. Okay. Now at least I'm more convince because there's a lot of Volume here.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Obviously there's a lot of stuff. Like if you took every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into a powder form, it would be like this.

[Scott Eastwood]

Exactly. So it's 70 plus vitamins in there and that's the biggest thing. Right. Like efficacy and quantity. You need the right amount.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you just mix this with water? Is that how you do it?

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Scott Eastwood]

Mix it with a big water and then you just don't have to think about it because I was doing so many a day.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

As you probably are.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's like.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, dead.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Ran out of that one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I gotta order that. So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send this stuff out for third party testing? Do you ever do that?

[Scott Eastwood]

It's totally third party tested. So my, my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, I want the best of the best. He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like I want the best of the best. I don't care what it costs. And he's like, wait a sec. I think I can make a business out of this.

[Joe Rogan]

So that for you, dude. Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again?

[Scott Eastwood]

North Performance.

[Joe Rogan]

North Performance. And is there a website they can go to?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep, it's, we're just launching it. It's going to be on subscription based. Come to your house every month. Don't just think about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I like not thinking.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

He got me, got me hooked already, son. All the things volume. So I'm, I'm believing in it.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, when I know if you're, you're a very reputable and ethical guy. I know if you're involved in something, it's going to be legit anyway, so that's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? You've been a vitamin guy forever.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, you know I cycle in and out like anything. Do you? I, I, my, my non negotiables typically are fish oil, vitamin D. I take, you know, mnn or nad and then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of real health benefits to glute, glutton, glutathione I think especially liposomal glutathione which is I think more available, bio absorbable. Yeah. That's awesome dude. Good for you. I think every. And don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had my doctor said, all you need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins, just going to pee out. And I looked at him like, dude, you look like. I didn't say it, but you thought, I'm trying to be nice. Is that a pot belly? I'm like, this is crazy. You have zero muscle.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're telling me about balanced diets like, this is bananas, dude. And now that I've looked back on it, he was probably how old I am now, you know, and he looked like shit. There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you want to optimize your health, it's not about what the hundred percent of the, you know, USDA or whatever it is, the requirements. Like, there's real science on what the right doses are and you can find it. It's just complicated. You got to go online and you got to go, what's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D? Are there benef of having a high level of vitamin D?

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, if you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood work. Fortunately, we have ways to well in town. So I do it with them. Y they go over your blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like, a bag of vitamins. It's amazing.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. I've been act. I've been actually thinking about doing that test because there's certain doctors that'll tell you your sort of. Your blood type will dictate what you should be eating. And I've never really got that done or no. And I know certain people just are like, this is a game changer.

[Joe Rogan]

Wonder how much of that is voodoo.

[Scott Eastwood]

It might be.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it kind of makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world. You know what I mean?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, we know that's the case with alcohol. Like, people whose ancestors came from a society. Yeah. Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, particularly Native Americans, had a really hard time with it because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there. And if you come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains, like, I would. I would wonder, like, how much of that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food you should eat. Because everybody should what everybody eats. Proteins, amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food and fish and eggs.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, if you're. If you're looking at the blue zone, Right. Yeah, they essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet and so kind of a variety of everything. They don't just eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat and they do drink wine and they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a bunch of other factors as well.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community. I think a big one with all these blue zone people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem. What people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like garbage. It's bad for you. It's actually bad for you. It's not good for you. Real food is good for you. If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you, versus if you go and have a fucking Jack in the box, double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries like that's poison.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's poison.

[Joe Rogan]

It's delicious poison.

[Scott Eastwood]

Now I will say I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better. And I eat pretty healthy. Okay. I eat healthy here and I eat pretty healthy there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, everybody has the same story.

[Scott Eastwood]

So what's going on?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

Glyphosate, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Bromine. There's a bunch of other compounds. There's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And all these people that live in Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food, real food.

[Scott Eastwood]

But it's not just that. It's the way the dairy's processed. So, you know, and I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple times ago in Europe, and I asked, I said, why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America? And they're like, well, first off, the process of making this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning every day. And it gets the lactose out, whereas we just slap it in and send it out, you know, and it's like, that's not.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also raw cheese. You know, I had a. This. I bought a house from this guy who's from France, really cool guy, who's a doctor. Very interesting dude. I got to know him, got, became friends with him, and he's he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California 2003.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Illegal to bring that cheese into America because it was raw. It hadn't been all the biology in it hadn't been killed. Okay, so like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes. You're getting it. And people could say, oh you, are you a baby cow? You should be like, it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats. Milk fat, it's good for you. It tastes good. When you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized, pasteurized milk, your body's like, what is this? Yeah, like this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months. That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday, it gets a little sketch. Oh yeah, it starts stinking. That's the, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to the wizard. This guy says. So he's talking to this guy, this guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe. America can't eat it. That's because in America what we call

[Scott Eastwood]

bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.

[Joe Rogan]

See, here in America, it's not so

[Scott Eastwood]

much the gluten as what we've done to the grain.

[Joe Rogan]

About 200 years ago, we started stripping

[Scott Eastwood]

the bran and germ or the fiber

[Joe Rogan]

and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched

[Scott Eastwood]

it with folic acid, which a large

[Joe Rogan]

majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas.

[Scott Eastwood]

The bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe,

[Joe Rogan]

the UK and even China.

[Scott Eastwood]

Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine

[Joe Rogan]

disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired and blamed gluten. But gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra processed, chemically

[Scott Eastwood]

altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread.

[Joe Rogan]

This is shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Dore. Danny D E N N Y underscore D U R E on Instagram. He's got a with the audio there.

[Jamie]

Because that song will.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

So what I get from that, and I have seen this actually.

[Jamie]

Damn it.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's just essentially pure greed to keep bread shelf stable for longer.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's their business model. Right. So their business is set up on shelf stable stuff that. And the problem is it was. It was green lit. Right. So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr came in and said, you have to stop using these dyes for children's cere cereals.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they were saying, they were saying, this is going to ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal they make in the United States. And it looks not as good because it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you cancer. But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists. They get their guys into the fda. They get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And then we keep eating dog and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy and you have a spaghetti and you feel great. You don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.

[Scott Eastwood]

And there's a dart in your neck, man.

[Joe Rogan]

We've talked about it so many times. You go over there and you know, why am I living the way I live?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing.

[Scott Eastwood]

That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't even understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that. It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

What? Like, why is that a thing? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We live in a weird world, man. A world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store. My parents were hippies. And they would buy like whole wheat bread and, you know, like, they would try to Buy like organic food like the, and that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this, it's. All these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr. There's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody because somehow or another they, they have this connected to some right wing, an anti science position like God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We, we should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We've, we've, we're not doing that. Okay. And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest people on earth while also being the most wealthy country.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, groupthink is like a crazy thing. It's a, it's, it's, it's kind of, it's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping onto something they're, they've been told or is in their echo chamber or whatever. You know what I mean? I like to think no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides. Maybe there's like. And maybe there's some in between.

[Joe Rogan]

That's.

[Scott Eastwood]

Both things can be true.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, for sure. And that's a problem. If you, if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. I think the groupthink that we have to all really align with is the groupthink of being open minded. Being actually open minded and willing to accept different ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas. Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you wanna be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to. You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't. Based on information, based on the reality of whatever, whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is like you can't be married to your ideas because they'll you, they'll you over every time. It's like it's not going to work. You have to be flexible and you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, it's okay to be wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Even though this guy's a piece of shit, I was wrong when he said he lies about a lot of things. But that thing that he saying is actually true.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, here's an even to go. Even a little more. Maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about is they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice and a team, that's when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking our money, we're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things and we actually don't have a choice.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

Maybe that's the reason. It's. You know, there's these teams, red and blue, and it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions. The big money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, for sure, they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is. Pride month or whatever it is. Black Lives Matter rile people up.

[Scott Eastwood]

And then people are thinking about this and this instead of, hey, like this is actually going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Talking about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's. I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing like right afterwards.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's the real power.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people because otherwise that shit's going to stay in the news cycle until something big happens. So you got to make something big happen. Yeah, it's a. We're. We're involved in a game, and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing. The game they're playing is let's pretend that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, there. A good percentage of them are demonstration. They're just sociopaths completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are gonna have on people's livelihoods. Losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career and they wanna keep on truck until they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do. And that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. And then there's real good people that get involved in Politics as well. And boy, we need them to make us feel better. This episode is brought to you by bluechew, the number one brand for better sex. Bluechew just dropped something crazy. Blue Chew Gold. Bluechew has made it easy for 5 million men to get hard. But now they made it easier to get horny, too. Bluechew Gold gets your brain and body on the same page fast. Other options just help blood flow, but Gold combines four ingredients into one tap tablet. That works fast. Two ingredients increase blood flow, and two boost arousal and intimacy. So for a good time, go to bluechew.com and we've got a special deal for our listeners right now. When you buy two months of BlueChew Gold, you get the third free with promo code Rogan. You also receive an additional 10 off plus free overnight shipping on your first order. Visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. Bluechew is number one for a reason.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, I was. We were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here today on his plane, and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue. And I. And I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it? I was like, do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division and that?

[Jamie]

Like what?

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, like if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000 foot level. It's like you're getting riled up about an idea, about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth. You're letting that affect you.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue. But is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere?

[Scott Eastwood]

I know I couldn't thinking about like, I was thinking about, I was like, you're this billionaire and you're upset about that. And I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about. Yeah, it was interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to. I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by divide and conquer, art of war.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, it's the.

[Joe Rogan]

From the beginning. Yeah. And it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country is that we have two parties. So it's so easy to do because it's just good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys in between. Pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how to kill folks. I like them.

[Scott Eastwood]

Let's go to the guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go to the discipline side. But no, it's like you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues. And you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get RIP Lumped in with Christian nationalists that think that the Ten Commandments should be in every school and no one should be able to practice any other religion As a Christian, Christian country. There's people that really believe, pushing that, that you get lumped in with them too, when you're just like, hey, I think the Second amendment's important. You know, like, oh, you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh, come on. Like, you can't always count on the cops. You know, you. You should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns. It's that simple. It doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a idea of different methods. You know, you don't. You don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do, because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to. There's a whole bunch of, like, they're kind of moving away from that now in a big way. They're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school athletics and because it's like after a certain amount of championships, you know, you just got to go, hey, come on, guys, that's a guy.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's a guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Women, be sweet. Those people have always exist. But also, you're letting them into the women's room. And now you could have perverts who just say they're trans. They can go in the women's room, too. Like, you didn't think about this. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated and the most, like, looked out, like, make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts. Like psychopathic perverts that prey on men, Guys that want to go in women's bathrooms, guys that want to, like, grab women after bars. Bars. Those guys have always been terrifying.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, I missed the boat.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy, pretending you're a woman.

[Scott Eastwood]

I think we should just be able to hunt. Hunt them. Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

Real perverts. Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, the thing is, like, child molesters. Yeah, no problem. Just, let's go hunting.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're broken and I don't know how you could ever think you're gonna fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons, which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like, you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of crazy, like, what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs. They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be seemed to deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, okay, yeah, that, that, that breakdown of culture and because of, you know, some very extreme groups is pretty scary.

[Joe Rogan]

It's scary.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's super scary.

[Joe Rogan]

It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist, you're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans that are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon, what happened with Dearborn, Michigan, all these, like, liberal people, like, yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing. So they got a Muslim mayor and the first thing he did is like, no more pride flags. Shit's illegal. Because what he would like is Sharia law. Like, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's, it's a, it's Not a small amount. You know, that's their religion. That's what they. But the problem with that is, like, you can't push that on other people. If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that. 100. Everybody should appreciate the fact there's all sorts of different ways of worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that,

[Scott Eastwood]

first of all, gross Women.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's bad. That's when it falls apart.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's their culture. And you have to understand that that's. They've accepted when they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings. That's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to. But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system, because every city should have the. The same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But when you get a country like England, it just lets them in mass migration, and then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting the society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey, we're gonna make new laws to protect you because you need to protect. So you have mass surveillance everywhere. More police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts.

[Scott Eastwood]

I've been hearing about that.

[Joe Rogan]

More than China, more than Russia, More than Russia and China combined.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

It seems. It seems as if, you know, the grab for power is. Is just, you know, done in plain sight now.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So, like, when goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know, and what are you gonna do? All get together with shovels? What are you gonna do? Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go get grandpa's bird gun. Are we doing.

[Scott Eastwood]

Get grandpa's bird again?

[Joe Rogan]

That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Yeah, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're gonna come out on the other end of this, but it's gonna be real hard with this right versus left bullshit.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, well, but you know, not to like toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people and you've pulled in like almost. I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chatgpt now and say, can you tell me about this thing that you know? And then they'll, oh, would you want to hear a two hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such? And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and read about something. You're like, oh, that's an interesting point.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But. But the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly and not also like, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they can understand why it's important to be interested in something, like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you, try new things out, like, oh, this is exciting, I feel better. Like, feel good. Like people like tasks, they like that. And we should be taught that from the time we're young, instead we're, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, it's interesting is. So I turned 40 in March and I decided I was going to take the year off. So essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years, hadn't looked up, living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective. It would maybe, whatever, you know, where am I going in the next 10 years? Kind of my thinking. And I actually got more depressed. I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed. And it kind of just goes back to just stay busy, get up and do.

[Joe Rogan]

Well. The thing is you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love. And that is a gift. That's a real gift. Yeah, we're both very fortunate in that Regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry, you're doing what you love. You're so lucky.

[Scott Eastwood]

Create, go out, create. Don't take.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Be a creator in. In anything. Like, if you're a plumber, whatever. You know, fix someone's pipes. Yeah. Have a purpose. And create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators. You know, it's like, I was actually listening to podcasts, and Guy said that, and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think, because you're. You're giving society.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you, with whatever you're doing. Yeah. And that's good for you for sure. And I think, unfortunately, I. Look, I don't want to want the responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, you're not the only. Not the only person.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but you are.

[Scott Eastwood]

You are.

[Joe Rogan]

I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things, should be in schools. Instead of just forcing history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool. So some cool. Where they realize, like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize, like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel like most people feel. Most people feel like the economy sucks. I just got to get a job. And then. Then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the you're doing, and you're stuck, you know, and that's a lot of people. A lot of people listening to this right now. And it's because they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in the thing, get the job, encourage that curiosity. Yeah, whatever it is, man. Being a car mechanic, whatever. Whatever thing you're interested in, there's got to be a thing. You just got to find that you

[Scott Eastwood]

can get good at anything, you know, and that will produce money is like it. The also part of the problem is, culturally, I think we. We place too much value in, like, becoming rich. And oh, you got to do this. And it's like, no, no, hold on, don't miss the point. Get good at something and you'll, that you love and then that will produce. If you get good enough at anything, you'll make money at it for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

But the problem is like with kids, it's, it's everything today. They want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't want to go on a diet. They want get, you know, whatever it is, fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with. Scams, crypto, anything where they're going to get rich quick, you know, whatever they're going to do to get rich quick. Because it's like this, this tick tock mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a career path, like acting, for instance, like what you did, first of all, you did it, you would think, oh great, Clint Eastwood's his dad, he'll help him.

[Scott Eastwood]

I made it worse. People were like, nah, you had to

[Joe Rogan]

prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go, oh yeah, Scott's actually really good. Because it's always going to be your Clint Eastwood's kid, you know, and then he didn't fucking help you. But like your grind was, I know you, your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it gonna take?

[Scott Eastwood]

What, 14, 20 years?

[Joe Rogan]

20 years? What? Like when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most comedians say a comic isn't even really comic till 10 years.

[Scott Eastwood]

10,000 hour rule, right?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah like you're just mailing it in in the gym. It's not the same as yeah I'm gonna build this or get really good at that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah 100 especially skills related things like Jiu jitsu is a perfect example of that. Jiu Jitsu 100% you get better the more you do it. But 1000% if you drill correctly and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques like you really truly understand like leverage points where you're supposed to be when it's secured, when it's not when, when there's an when there's no escape. If you don't understand that you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people and you'll get somewhere but you won't get nearly as far as you get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000 hour thing is it's there's something to it. The more you do it the better you'll get. But really it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do that is as if not more important than the time. Time. Like, it's amount of. It's about, it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to, like, look at it as objectively as possible. You know, especially if you're like. With Jiu jitsu is a thing, it's like your ego's involved because you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated, and so you don't want to try things. So you keep a tight game and you never grow. And it's. Your ego actually holds you back by that and that. But telling people that it's going to take that long. If you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh, God, it's too much work.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, also, I think the thing you realize as your ego gets stripped from you doing Jiu jitsu is that you realize doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always going to be a thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out. You realize how much how, like, you're like, no, I kind of am a. You know, like, I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I, you know. You know, now you really know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I really know because I work for the ufc, so. Yeah. We're always around, like every week, and dozens of guys can kill me.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels. You know, when a guy like Ilya Toporia knocks out Max Holloway, like, whoa. And then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Toporia, like, whoa. Like, there's so many guys out there. You, you have to be humble and it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But what my point was for young people, they have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you, you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long ass time and try to keep getting better at it. With every, every day, every, every effort you put into it, do it. Whatever the you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing. And eventually success will come. You're gonna have to manage that success. You're gonna chase it. You're gonna have to figure things out. But the most important thing should always be the path.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think that's in everything, in anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books. It can't be. I'm gonna sell a million copies. It's got to be. I need to make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

[Scott Eastwood]

But I also think we need to push because of this whole quick money and thing, the morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people. Do the right thing. When you say you're gonna do something, be there. When you make a promise. Do it. Complete it. Don't just. Just, you know, people just are so happy. And this culture of. Of, you know, oh, whatever them. We can just do whatever we want. It's like, that's terrible behavior to put out to young people, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

You gotta have a code and a value system. That's what my dad. I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like, you gotta do something thing. You gotta. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Your dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president? Because he did.

[Scott Eastwood]

Because he did politics.

[Joe Rogan]

He would have won. I know he's a mayor of Carmel.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. And then he said, never again.

[Jamie]

People like.

[Joe Rogan]

It would have been a fun president, though. He would have been, you know.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know if I would have liked it, though. Then it would have been like everyone. No, everyone would have come after me for no reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro. You'd have been Don Jr. Jesus. Roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you making billions. Yeah. Geez Louise. Yeah. Yeah. Politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But, you know, like, when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people, like, finally. Finally a guy who, like, is good at acting. I mean, that's kind of what the president is. It's a role. Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader. And the way you behave, it's like you have to. It's very formal, the way you communicate. It's very formal. Yeah. You know, and actors are going to be better at that, you know, Like Josh Brolin. That guy could be the president 100. That dude could kill it. As the president.

[Scott Eastwood]

He looks like a president voice.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes, that's right. He played Bush. Yeah. He could be president, you know. I know they tried to get the rock to run.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

I think he was thinking about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Not much. He told me this.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of, he was toying with, he was like, yeah, I'm gonna do it.

[Joe Rogan]

He's very smart with social media. Yeah, he's, he's a wizard at that stuff. But I think he's too smart to run for president.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy? Like, get that giant ass pro wrestler. Get that guy. He should be our president. At least we know that our president could up all the other presidents. That would be nice.

[Scott Eastwood]

Now that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. And it's like, okay, great. You gotta be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of like, fight or some sort of physical, like, competition. Because you can't just be, you know, you gotta be athletic. You gotta be, you know, that would be cool. It's already show anyways.

[Joe Rogan]

We should really make them do about 7 grams of mushrooms. Anybody who wants to be president, that'd be good. You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it. We do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or, you know, night vision cameras.

[Scott Eastwood]

Freak out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. We want to know how well you handle God.

[Scott Eastwood]

But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, also, I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it. And then you have it. And you'll never think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, no, I did, I, trust me, I did the, I did five meo. And it was, I mean, that was some life changing stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, Right? That's the first thing you think. Like, oh, my God, I killed myself.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I'm not around anymore.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. And I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. Like the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Scott Eastwood]

And I was like, I'm just so,

[Joe Rogan]

I would have got uncomfortable after about 5 seconds. I've been like, hey, Scott, go cry on the couch.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's enough.

[Joe Rogan]

Why you hugging my girlfriend, bro? You handsome bastard. Get off of her.

[Scott Eastwood]

But it was powerful.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, your, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. And you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human. And it's the, the feeling of it is so like you're a part of everything in the universe and there is no, there's no like, particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever has ever done it. And go. I didn't think it was that big a deal. Like, everybody who does is like, wow.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I've known. I know a few prominent right wing people that have done it. They would completely change their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it. So I don't want to mention any names.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But then they want to talk to me about it and they're like, yeah, so I'm a different person now. Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore. Like, that's, that's because once, you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe. And it's like all the molecules, everything, everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. Yeah, it's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration.

[Scott Eastwood]

And it kind of actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is that it could help that them. And I was like, oh, man, that, that is sad.

[Joe Rogan]

The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I, I see like grown adults who are very successful who run businesses and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were. Expand your consciousness and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and, and have a better perspective and ego, death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the Internet. I think it's really. It really started to change where I heard or heard people talking about it in the early 2000s, and it was even before social media, because there was a bunch of articles that were written, and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences, and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin, and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular. But then all the Terence McKenna stuff that he was talking about, DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there, and then YouTube and with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He's running. Wrote a book about psychedelics called Change youe Mind. Like, what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it, and they often do. And so that's just alone gives me hope because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, was it. And I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard. Was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress weed use this.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, the alcohol lobby has.

[Scott Eastwood]

Did it also go to psychedelics as well, where they're.

[Joe Rogan]

They haven't yet, no. Well, I'm sure they. They are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the. The problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake.

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

The diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost them money.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies.

[Scott Eastwood]

Explain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they lobby. Prison guards, unions. They lobby. There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws. Keep them on the books. So they could keep locking people up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure. Because that's a massive business, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Their business is keep keeping people in cages, which is really crazy.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, that's pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really crazy that someone is. Who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. And I mean get locked up for something that no violent crime. Yeah. And especially marijuana, like, most Americans don't think that you. That it should be illegal. It's a. It's a large number. It's like more than 70%, I think. Like, what was the. What's. What amount of Americans think that marijuana should Be legal. Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity, see what the. The universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Legalized, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

What do you think about all drugs being legal?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a tough argument because for sure you're going to lose some people, people if you make all drugs legal. Look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl.

[Jamie]

All right?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not. I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to pick it up, but some people will. 70%, 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal. In general, according to recent gallup poll, if you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89% percent u. S. Adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with only about 11 wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it.

[Scott Eastwood]

So, look, I'm actually. Pot never agreed.

[Jamie]

Well with me.

[Scott Eastwood]

And I think I have. I always. I get a little scared and paranoid sometimes where it. I was like, maybe I have, like, a propensity to like, some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like, oh, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

This is.

[Scott Eastwood]

I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go psychosomatic

[Joe Rogan]

and so did it just make you scared or did it, like, distort reality for you in a way that was.

[Scott Eastwood]

No. I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain, you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now I can see why. Because like, you know, mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Pot just never agreed with me.

[Joe Rogan]

I think what I like about it is when it wears off, I like. I like that fear. I like. Like Joey Diaz says, go meet the devil. I think there's some. Some benefit to freaking out because then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You got to put your blinders on and keep on trucking.

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

And then marijuana's like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of? And you're like, oh.

[Scott Eastwood]

But I will say, as you know, important, like before the. The frontal cortex is like fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, right. Yes.

[Scott Eastwood]

And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not. I think that's with anything, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't know. Too much alcohol causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high. Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's gonna your head up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development. And it's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think. Well. It's very important.

[Scott Eastwood]

100 and it's your operating system. Don't. Don't screw it up before it has a time to like.

[Joe Rogan]

And just for he's and hahas. Because you're bored in math class, you want to get high all the time. You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is bad for the development of your brain. Whatever you're. Look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain. Maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you where if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better. You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like the kids at parties, drinking, having a good time. It's bad for you. Don't do it. Yeah, yeah, but you can't. You also can't tell them don't drink. Because if you tell them don't drink, they just want to drink. You just gotta kind of inform them. Well, you're.

[Scott Eastwood]

Europe tends to have like a better. It seems as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems, yeah, you know, they're ease into it, right. Have a little like less is more without, like with anything. Actually, less is more.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not, it's not that big a deal.

[Scott Eastwood]

That Protestant culture we have have is, is very rigid, like don't do this or you're gonna die.

[Joe Rogan]

It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite. Because you are annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack.

[Scott Eastwood]

You dad, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

So to get back to your question, the problem with legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs. No. Normally because it's legal.

[Scott Eastwood]

They're about when you're of age. Like I don't call it 25.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But even then you're going to have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now. So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. That's what people do. And when you've got a multi billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like what are we doing? Are we empowering them? Or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment.

[Jamie]

Treatment.

[Scott Eastwood]

So yeah, also think from a, like a quality perspective too.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like you're like, hey, that's cool, we get it. People are going to do this but we're going to monitor and make sure it is what it says it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like in the morning, they don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That would be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics, and alcohol is legal, and it's everywhere. And these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night, and their life is going to be a mess. They're going to die of liver poisoning. Yeah, that's normal, too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And you got to, like, trust a

[Joe Rogan]

little bit that, yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that cocaine, heroin and meth are now all legal. It'll be really hard to sell to them. Yeah. But I think ultimately it probably. Yeah, all those other things, those are less troublesome. You know, not a lot of people are dying from mdma, but people definitely abuse it. They definitely get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit.

[Jamie]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

That was a campaign.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think it was probably just some Internet horseshit. That's. Let's find out what it does. MDMA does. But does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what perplexity has to say.

[Scott Eastwood]

Couples therapy, right? I mean, that was the. The impetus of the whole thing.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

I chalk up all this. It's like moderation to everything. Yeah. Less of everything. It's like, I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, what's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino.

[Jamie]

As a dope.

[Joe Rogan]

The Carnivore Doctor.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. I really like most of what he says when he's like, don't drink. And it's like. It's like, well, maybe if. But also, it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. Yeah. And it's nice, like, that's important, too, in life. And I think balance. We. Can you tip the scale one way. If you're totally extreme and then you're just like, this social life and you're, you know, you can't, you know, go out and, like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

It's important.

[Joe Rogan]

Moderation.

[Scott Eastwood]

Moderation.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're absolutely right about social life being one. Loneliness kills people quicker than anything else.

[Scott Eastwood]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. People that are lonely, they have. They die younger than people who smoke cigarettes.

[Scott Eastwood]

Isn't that crazy?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's bad for you.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. Feels bad. Probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends. You're laughing. I love you. I love you too, bro. It's great.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's great. It's great for people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're gonna feel like, takes your electrolytes, take your. Take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water, get in the sauna.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't do it every day. Don't do it every day. Get an iv.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Dave Chappelle taught me that trick when I was touring with Dave, all he would do is, like, after shows, they would just get Ivan IVs. He would get vitamin IVs in the morning. They did it all the time to big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep, yep.

[Joe Rogan]

You'd go into, like, they would have a room. You go into the room to be like eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags, talking. It was fun. That sounds good, but it's smart. Like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look, he takes a lot. There's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job. Right. Like, Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking with your friends with a couple drinks in you?

[Scott Eastwood]

Imagine all the things you would have missed.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

That wouldn't have been in your comedy. That wouldn't have been in your life.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Hadn't you. You've just. I gotta go home now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's 8 o'.

[Jamie]

Clock.

[Scott Eastwood]

I gotta go home. You're like, that's boring.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Scott Eastwood]

You become a boring person too.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize, like, oh, I've done this dance before. I gotta get up at six.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

See you guys. Yep, there's good. That too. It's like you have. You have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you're saying about vitamins, like, I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that. It's like there's some things that should be non negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non negotiables. All the other things I'll fuck around, around with in terms of, like, they're all bonus, right? Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio, you have to hit weights, you gotta stretch, you gotta get good sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain, like above the body stuff. It's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that and I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free.

[Scott Eastwood]

Do you have adhd?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay, same.

[Joe Rogan]

I think everybody does. Anybody who's any good at anything has it.

[Scott Eastwood]

Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has adhd.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's a superpower.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, I do, too. I always tell people. And you're probably dyslexic.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not dyslexic. Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay. Because that goes hand in hand quite often.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you dyslexic?

[Scott Eastwood]

I'm dyslexic.

[Joe Rogan]

So explain to me what you see when you see text.

[Scott Eastwood]

I just jump. I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right. My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it regardless of the subject matter? Like, if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. Now it just takes intense focus for me to read, and once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better. But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump. And then my brain has a really tough time. So I get tired very easily, and then it's like, oh. And I get, you know, I get a little frustrated, tired. And then I fall asleep like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I do fall asleep if I try

[Jamie]

to read at night.

[Joe Rogan]

But I don't have a hard time reading. So I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that have it. I don't understand. I'm like. So you see it.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And you're going through it, but what is going on when your brain, where it's making you jump back and forth?

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

In. Regardless of the. Like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read. You know, like, what if you just, like, won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail, it says, scott, I'm reading that you just won $5 billion. And you're like, wait a minute. Do I owe 5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this. Read this for me.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, I don't. Yeah, it's just. I don't know if it's about the

[Joe Rogan]

text messages are cool. Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, it's all. It just is harder. And now, you know, like, when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost mandatory in schools. If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking. They give you more time for reading. They have, you know, teachers that Will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can use now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

So I got kind of boned.

[Jamie]

Check something here. This is something weird. Could be related. I've been seeing this a lot online, and I'm very curious about this. People are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies too.

[Scott Eastwood]

It.

[Jamie]

And what I've been seeing is this link. People are taking Zyrtec and Pepcid AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Jamie]

Interesting. And this is where I'm like, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway and skin, and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's. It's a reaction to histamines. That's.

[Jamie]

That, like. That's the mixture of Zyrtec. Zyrtec is more like allergies. Everyone's into that. Pepsi, D C is like acid.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, I wonder if they're. There's different things that they're talking about when they're saying adhd. Like, I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say adhd, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on, you know, whether it's playing golf or whatever. It is a thing that you do where you could just focus on that.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But other stuff, you're just scatterbrained. And you can. And they'll say, oh, you have adhd, you know, or. Or you're thinking a million things at once. You can't focus. That's what they always call adhd. But everyone I know that has that. It's always whether or not they're interested in the thing.

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget to eat.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, you know how some people when pressure. Sorry to cut you off when you squeeze people, they either Excel or they fold right when you squeeze. Typically, I exclude Excel, so I don't know if where that comes from. But when you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do. It's like there's 200 people looking at you.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

Ready?

[Scott Eastwood]

This is an emotional scene. You gotta get yourself to tears. Or it's emotional. It's like you squeeze. Some people are good at it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But it's also. You had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan. You know, that's also part of it. It's like, you know, your dad wasn't going to help you out. You really were out there. Like, if you want to make it in anything, you have to be able to perform. Like, no matter what it is, if you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform. You have to. You have to be able to, like, keep your together and execute. That's your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus and that you can execute when. When it's important. It's like people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill.

[Jamie]

Skill.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything is to be able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And we're missing that in life. You know, we don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time, where some villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war. Like, we don't have that. So we don't have, like, like, like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow. It's a World War II movie, Lucky Strike. I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men had that right because they. I mean, World War II. I talked to my dad about it, what it was like. He was. He was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on, but he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening. Like you could hear pins and needles. Because it was. We didn't know what was going to happen. I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back home in America. They didn't know it was going to happen. And that, I think, is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, and, you know, you've said it before on your podcast. It's like the hard, hard men, you know, create easier times. Easier times creep. And it's like the cycle that we're in, it's. It's Yeah, I don't know. It's. I don't know. I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. Well, we need to stop using this term, toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, yeah, Toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes. Yep. That's toxic, man. That's criminal behavior.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Masculine behavior is not. It's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call them at 2 o' clock in the morning because you need a favor. You're stuck on the side of the road, like.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

All that is important. Strong people are good. It's. It's good to have strong people. Like, in this idea that somehow another strength is bad for society is like really crazy.

[Jamie]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like. No, it's. The strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise. And I would say for men, you should at least try Martial Arts 100. It's so good for your brain. It's so good for your confidence. It's so good.

[Scott Eastwood]

Humility.

[Joe Rogan]

Humility. And you're also your understanding of, like, your vulnerability. So many people are delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight, fight, start fights, and you're like, do you want to die? Are you trying to die? Because you're gonna. You're gonna run into some guy who knows how to fight, and he's gonna hit you in the face and you're gonna bounce your head off the concrete. You're gonna die. Yeah. So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time. Yeah. Not sharpened. Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Having experience, knowing what it actually is, is. And it's dangerous. And you should. You should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like, you got to grow. And we are. We're in a society where people just want relaxation, they want comfort, they want entertainment, and they just want to be sedentary, and that is terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis. We're a giant percentage of people who act that way who are sedentary and overweight, not taking care of themselves, are

[Scott Eastwood]

mentally ill. You said something that was interesting. The being scared, being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

For me, when I, you know, it was. It's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more Zen with nature and clear in your mind about and. And happy because you've accomplished something. You pushed your boundaries. You've kept pushing them and pushing them and pushing them.

[Joe Rogan]

How old when you started surfing?

[Scott Eastwood]

I was young. Eight, ten. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, where it was like. And. And, you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you, and then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you, and. And you go through these, it kind of could be all you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push. If you're pushing yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever had a shark situation?

[Scott Eastwood]

I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's. That's been like, oh, my God, I'm.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh, my God, I'm on a styrofoam fucking.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, There's a difference between. Between, you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark, you know, isn't gonna hurt you.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark, bro. We're cool, right?

[Scott Eastwood]

No, but look, you spend as much time in the water, you spend as much time in the water as, you know, surfer have done it their whole life. You kind of understand what. Sharks are gonna hurt you.

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on here? Jamie?

[Jamie]

Great white stalking and paddleboarders last week.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, great. Oh, good lord. Do they even know it's happening?

[Jamie]

It does not appear that time way.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. How do they not see that fin

[Jamie]

now looking behind them?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. They didn't even see it. That's. Are you sure this is an AI. Oh, it's ABC News going around the.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

But I don't.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not giving up. I am selling the building.

[Scott Eastwood]

The final season of FX is the Bear.

[Joe Rogan]

The restaurant is flooded. Everything's either gonna be okay.

[Scott Eastwood]

Nope.

[Jamie]

Stop.

[Scott Eastwood]

Or not. We are outgunned and we are outmanned,

[Joe Rogan]

but we have each other.

[Scott Eastwood]

FX's the bear.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

You know, there's just more people with drones and cameras seeing them.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are for sure. I think particularly in Northern California.

[Scott Eastwood]

I think in Northern Australia, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, Australia has a lot of them and they're. They seem to be angry over there too. Like their sharks are angry. Everything's political reason or something. Their crocodiles are angry. They people up. I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830 something. And the story is now, I don't know if this is true. Jamie, pull this up, see if it's true. The guy's name supposedly. Rest in peace, Tommy. Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas, when he decided to swim in Adam's bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock and his response was, fuck that gator. That was the last thing he said. And then they killed the gator.

[Jamie]

Killed him.

[Joe Rogan]

He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou if there's a bayou, but that is

[Joe Rogan]

one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said, fuck that gator. Right before he died.

[Scott Eastwood]

He's probably drunk as not respecting nature.

[Joe Rogan]

Drunk as fuck. He jumped in a water. Fuck that gator is a wild thing to say for the gator eater Beats you. And that's, you know, humility. You gotta have a little humility. Tommy, Tommy, don't say that gator. Here it is. Man mocks alligator jumps in water and is killed.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, this is recent.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, 2015. So what is the story? What does it say? Does it say he said, that gator

[Scott Eastwood]

in this article, that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's a sign that's posted, it says, no swimming alligators and any winners.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It said he removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning and he said, blank that gator. Blank the alligators. He said, why didn't they just write F dash dash dash Jumped in the water and almost immediately Yelled for help.

[Jamie]

That could have been what the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the

[Scott Eastwood]

F word to them.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Immediately yelling for help is crazy.

[Scott Eastwood]

No bueno.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back. We went alligator hunting, and they are everywhere. Like, it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades. Like, in there, there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. It is. They're everywhere. It's not hard to find them. They're all over the place. Like, it's. How many of them are there that you don't see is the real question.

[Jamie]

Question.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a weird feeling because I thought, like, it would be like hunting elk. Like, you got to go find them. Like, we'd be glassing for him. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you hear that out there? No, no, no, no, no. There's. There's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one. Another alligator killed. They're. Look at this.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, thanks. Dinosaurs.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's this? This is guy's tent.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God. Bro, run.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. Get that video off. What is.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I've seen this. Isn't this in, like, Brazil?

[Jamie]

I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. This is in Brazil. I think this guy. Oh, all that. Look at all the eyes.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, I didn't even see that.

[Jamie]

That was what I was trying to get.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's terrifying.

[Joe Rogan]

So they must all come out of the water at night. And this dude put his tent there,

[Jamie]

plus the five on the shore.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, that is insane. That's insane. And, you know, they're all hungry. There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat? You know, they're not small at all, dude, they all could eat you. All that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was the. Just the sheer numbers of them and then knowing how many pythons there are and you. I didn't see any pythons, but I go, how many do you guys see pythons, bro? Like, occasionally you'll be just driving. You'll see something making its way across the road. And it's 15ft long. Long.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, no, grass.

[Joe Rogan]

Thick like a football player's thigh.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't. I don't mess with that. See, I don't. I'm. I would way rather be in the water with sharks. Because at least you can, you can, you know, you can open your eye,

[Joe Rogan]

you can see a tree. If you're out in the woods.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, but in the bayou, I don't know, man. It's swamp.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, don't go in the water. Water there.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But outside of the water, I would way rather be on.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, I mean, if you're like, if you have, have, you know, distance and

[Joe Rogan]

you have a gun, you have a lot of things. When you're in the water with a shark, you're. Man, you can barely move.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, you can actually, if you, if you. They're really deterrent by. If you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually going to turn.

[Joe Rogan]

For real?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you done this? Got to get so close. So when they come after you, don't flip your legs and scream and get under.

[Scott Eastwood]

Keep them in front of you.

[Jamie]

Them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bop them on the nose.

[Scott Eastwood]

Bop them.

[Joe Rogan]

I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, here it says bop the nose. How punching a shark in the face saved this Hawaiian surfer.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the

[Joe Rogan]

water with an angry shark. Well, in Florida they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video. There's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's the key. And they go off of this giant bridge and it's like real far to the water. So they have to have this like gaff system where they drop a line down and they gap the fish and they have to pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never get them to the, to the, to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks. The sharks all over the place down there.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, Bull sharks are real dangerous because they, they'll keep attacking. Whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion right there. They sort of think you're a seal or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no.

[Scott Eastwood]

And then they bite in like, ah, okay. Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like little chihuahuas, like pit bulls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those things. They catch them a lot. Now what is going on with this guy?

[Jamie]

Bull sharks eating a tuna.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

I thought this was the video, but there's actually no views on that, so maybe not.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen is this in the Keys as well.

[Jamie]

I said big shark circling. I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine you're pulling a fish in, you see a shark, you're like, you just take it. Take the fish. Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in, they're cut in half, you know.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can. They bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. You know, bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made. Do you know the. The original story behind Jaws?

[Scott Eastwood]

No, I didn't know that.

[Joe Rogan]

The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in fresh

[Scott Eastwood]

water and salt, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Is this the. The thing?

[Jamie]

1916.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So this is the. They caught that bull shark and they killed, I think, two people, right? Series of shark attacks. Attacks. Four people were killed and one critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United States. It drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey shore. So they think it's a bull shark, it says. There's been a debate, but it's in fresh water. It's not going to be a 40th

[Jamie]

anniversary jaw screening in that bay. And people sat in the water to watch the movies.

[Scott Eastwood]

Also natural selection.

[Joe Rogan]

But they've. They've found bull sharks, as is Illinois.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Up the river system.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They make their way up the river.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's scary.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark and they found them in fresh water. I think that dude that used to have that show, River Monsters, you remember that guy?

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, yeah, I remember the show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The guy who just caught fish all the time. Like the craziest redneck. No, he wasn't a redneck. It was actually like a educated guy with a foreign accent. Where was he from?

[Scott Eastwood]

River Monsters. Yeah, I mean, I remember the show. I just don't. I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it?

[Jamie]

Manny from, like the.

[Joe Rogan]

The river Monsters guy? The guy with the gray hair. He was a fisherman.

[Jamie]

Jeremy Wade's name?

[Joe Rogan]

That's his name, yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, Right?

[Jamie]

British. There you go. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

British biologist. I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch him in fresh water. They realized, like, these things, they go way up the river diverse.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, and they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks? Yeah, I think maybe some of them can, but I think most of them have to be in salt water, like great whites, stuff like that.

[Scott Eastwood]

But they do. I mean, they've tagged great whites and they, they'll go around the world. I mean, you think they would have. They thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but there they found them all over.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. My daughter got really into Megalodons at one point in time. Time. So we really started like researching megadon.

[Scott Eastwood]

She got a mega, like hunting.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not really.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

For the.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh no, we just got one online. But you, you start watching documentaries on Megalodons and you know, and then there's the people that think the Megalodons might

[Scott Eastwood]

still be out there.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're like, okay, probably not, but either way, like the fact that that thing actually exists, shark the size of a whale just out there, everything up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Like you, you wouldn't be. Be surfing if there was Megalodons, would you? I probably still would.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, I, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad way to die, I guess. Swallow you whole.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to get. You'll suffocate and get digested.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Out there doing something you love.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, that's a good story, I guess for other people, I mean, it'd be pretty quick. You know what's worse? What's worse? You live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last, last five to seven years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that, or just, bam, get hit by a shark. I don't know, I think kind of,

[Joe Rogan]

yeah, I could see it, I guess, but still the instinct to stay alive is so strong.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When I'm 100 years old and in my bed I'm like, maybe they're going to have a new drug that's going to bring me back to life. Yeah, they probably will be able to do that too, which is going to get real weird if they really can take old people. Like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells and at least in a lab they've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60 year old skin cells and make them 20 again. Yeah, that's going to be really weird.

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, I just don't. Here's the thing. I'm all about living the best version of your life. Being as healthy as you can. Maybe not for like that whatever you get. Like being optimal. But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And that it's like people.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's like, I'm gonna live forever.

[Jamie]

It's like they're.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's like I don't know if I want to live forever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, there's something to that, man.

[Jamie]

Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. Mentioned him earlier.

[Joe Rogan]

What happens?

[Jamie]

This guy gets eaten by a whale.

[Joe Rogan]

No way. Way.

[Jamie]

It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it real?

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't believe falling through that thing's mouth.

[Joe Rogan]

In the whale's mouth.

[Jamie]

Oh, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Jamie]

And then the rest of the movie

[Scott Eastwood]

is about getting out.

[Jamie]

Getting out. I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?

[Jamie]

Real complex to 95 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet he's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude.

[Jamie]

Just joking.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. And it just keeps swallowing it.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, that's what the movie's about.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God damn it.

[Scott Eastwood]

Is that real? Is that a new movie?

[Joe Rogan]

This is the real movie comes out. Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

I saw the trailer recently and I was just me think of it talking

[Joe Rogan]

about it might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made. I can't decide.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. I don't know how.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out of the whale? Yeah, you have to have a knife.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you would.

[Joe Rogan]

But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? Forever. You're going to run out of air. If you have the scuba tank and you have a knife, do you really think you can get through a whale? And how much blubber.

[Jamie]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

It take to got a fish. But it's not a fish. It's a bus.

[Scott Eastwood]

You're going to huge.

[Jamie]

You're very motivated.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true. That's true. But you got to get through rib cages.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to have a whole movie.

[Joe Rogan]

If they came to you with the script. This is Scott.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the big one.

[Scott Eastwood]

We're green light now.

[Joe Rogan]

This is it.

[Scott Eastwood]

This is our Jaws. Oh, God. The the business sometimes just, oh, it's so bad.

[Joe Rogan]

How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale?

[Jamie]

80 foot sperm whale. And he's got less than an hour of oxygen.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, so that's.

[Jamie]

You gotta.

[Joe Rogan]

That's enough time. I don't think that's enough time.

[Jamie]

You don't gotta crawl through 80ft.

[Joe Rogan]

I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue just kept slashing and all that, he might just throw you up. Yeah, yeah. He might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would. Like if something was. If you put something in your mouth and started biting your tongue, you'd be like, you try to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that too. I just start up his tongue.

[Jamie]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Also to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward and just stab him again.

[Scott Eastwood]

You have an exit plan. You've got a pull plan.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not going to cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone. I don't think you're going to make through it through that bone unless you go through. I don't even know where you would go. Like the neck, I could figure out how to get through on an elk. I'll go that way. I would go where the holes are. There's holes back here where the, you know, the guts are and there's holes up here, you know, like where you'd shoot them. If you're shooting a frontal.

[Scott Eastwood]

They're not going to cast you in this movie. They're like, no, he's getting out too quick. Quick.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm dying of no air. I don't think I'm gonna make it.

[Jamie]

Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here.

[Joe Rogan]

You're gonna be okay.

[Jamie]

You're gonna be.

[Joe Rogan]

See, I want to get out through the neck. See right there, that's where I want to get out. But all that stuff. Yeah, but you're not. It's going to take too long for you to get through all those.

[Scott Eastwood]

Now you go right to the sphincter and just like, you know, open the little butthole.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traction traveling. Okay. You're gonna want to. You're gonna want to go through where you came in.

[Jamie]

You don't want to go through the intestines up, right?

[Joe Rogan]

No. And also, you're dealing with acids. They're gonna burn. And I think you want to cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you got to dig in and you got to make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You got to start cutting and maybe you get out.

[Scott Eastwood]

But what he's greenlit this movie. We need to find out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, some crazy person maybe.

[Jamie]

It's really good.

[Joe Rogan]

Josh Brolin's in it. It's probably kills actually.

[Jamie]

It's probably a pretty popular, well like New York Times best selling novel.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh my God.

[Jamie]

Sounds like a pretty good story. They made a movie out of it.

[Joe Rogan]

There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s. Oh, wow.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, that's alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was alive. Yeah. And it had this harpoon embedded in. In it. See if you can find that story.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's a wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Might be some Instagram horseshit2007. But yeah, fairly recently, I remember Internet, they, they found this whale and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah. 2007, native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska made a remarkable discovery. A 50 foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb land an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts. The explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whale's age by survival. Surviving the initial attack, whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck thick blubber. The extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whale whales can live for 100 to over 200 years.

[Jamie]

Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska with that device?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot. So they probably like made good tech like east coast manufacturing and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there, so they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. So I'd imagine in the 1870s. Yeah, they would ship things by train. They would ship things by train and boats. Yeah, I mean they always had that. They always had trade. You know, you could always ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if there was, you know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns. And they would get the guns shipped to them. Yeah, they'd either carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country, or they can get them shipped to them.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, I went to, I shot a movie in Iceland. Oh, God, 20. Feels like 20 years. I think it was 20 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

What was it?

[Scott Eastwood]

The movie?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

It was called Flags of Our Fathers, and it was also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort of trade was. It's not. Wasn't looked at in the same way. I think America, Americans, like, look at whaling. They're like, oh, my God, how dare you?

[Jamie]

They look at.

[Joe Rogan]

It's normal.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. It's. It was really interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

They had to stay alive.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And it's like, where. Where do you draw the line? It's. Everyone's got this, like, oh, you can't kill this, but I can have my.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, dude. Whaling is on the menu.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you need to stay alive. Like, especially way back in the day.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There was not a lot of resources in Iceland. You know, they have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that it's very popular. That Bourdain told me was the single most disgusting thing he's ever eaten.

[Scott Eastwood]

Really.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's a delicacy. Like, they all love it. See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat.

[Jamie]

That whale was. Interesting question. Kind of like what I asked. It's a. It was even older. There's like, another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890. 90, it says, because they were very popular. I don't know how specifically it would have gotten in that whale.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. It says. What you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly. Box. Box. Dose and his colleagues identified a narrow window which they believe the whale was shot. Shot somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Whoa. Whales generally become cloudy. Their eyes become cloudy as they age. Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century, but bounced back after demand for whaleborn whale bone corsets plummeted. Hobby. Holy shit, dude. That was it. Whale bone corsets were killing all the. Imagine the whales. Like, why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just want to suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's, like, what?

[Scott Eastwood]

No, no, they can't be serious.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's what they made them out of.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So it had like spines from the whale bones.

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

So that's what it looked like. Like a core. They turned into like a. Almost like a like strap.

[Scott Eastwood]

Whalebone.

[Joe Rogan]

That's whale bone.

[Jamie]

This is a strange. What?

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood steel

[Jamie]

boning for synthetic whale bone?

[Scott Eastwood]

They probably ate the whales and then they were like, oh, look, this excess bone we can use.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible.

[Jamie]

Oh, no, this is. Whale bones weren't even made from bone at all.

[Scott Eastwood]

I went to. I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California and they use everything.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, everything. They use the part of the heart, I believe. Oh, it's an organ. I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean, down to everything. Hooves, everything.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Scott Eastwood]

And it's, it's actually like fascinating to see. And you're like, oh, this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different applications for, hide for, for get business

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jamie]

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[Scott Eastwood]

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[Joe Rogan]

Fuel to start.

[Scott Eastwood]

Whatever's next. Quaker official sponsor of FIFA World Cup 26. Let's go. All kinds of stuff, which makes sense

[Joe Rogan]

because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale is being completely harvested, like every.

[Scott Eastwood]

Completely.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything is used.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch. And they're real ethical. And it's all grass fed meat and animals are raised on a pasture like they're supposed to.

[Scott Eastwood]

Even, Even the way they slaughtered him at this place. Was super. It was really gentle. They. And that was their whole thing. It's like we're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life.

[Jamie]

Life.

[Scott Eastwood]

And the way they did it was really painless. And it was just boom, boom.

[Joe Rogan]

And then it was no country for Old Men's Style.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, the air bullet thing. Yeah, it goes right to the.

[Joe Rogan]

Apparently that just shuts the lights off.

[Scott Eastwood]

Shuts the lights off quick. And then they bleed them out.

[Jamie]

How.

[Joe Rogan]

How badass was that in that movie?

[Jamie]

Javier.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God, Javier was so good. It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah, because you believed him.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You believed him when he's making that dude flip that quarter. You know, he's.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, he gives you the chills.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that hair.

[Scott Eastwood]

That weird haircut.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird haircut. Oh. And. But it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like, that dude's got some darkness in his eyes. That much. Yeah. Look at that. Weird haircut, crazy haircut, cut.

[Scott Eastwood]

God, he just.

[Joe Rogan]

Javier is a bad dude. His. There's something about his bad guys that are like, this Cape Fear role that he's in now, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it either, but the trailer made me uncomfortable just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep. He plays a real good psycho.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it. And some guys, you're like, come on, man, you're a nice guy.

[Scott Eastwood]

Also, the original Cape Fear. I mean, Robert Dairo, in the original.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, Fear, man, you've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you, like, to play a bad guy or to play, like, the World War II thing? You've got to play someone from a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you because you're so nice? Like, do you have. Would you have. Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was, like, you know, the ultimate. Right.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He rules.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. In Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to. You know, you could, like, act out on your impulses a little bit. You know, you think of something up in your head, and you're like, why would. Why did I think that? I. I'm not Gonna punch that person in the face. Why did I think that you kind of, like, you know, to like, a lesser extent, you. Obviously, we aren't doing everything, but you. You could kind of, like, revel in your own, like, messed up thinking. But I don't. I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think. I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Rich, I'll do anything, right? He's. I think he's one of the best. Best.

[Joe Rogan]

Best ever. Look at you.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And so, you know, I was. I had to kill a kid there, and I was. I had to just do the dirty work and get it done.

[Joe Rogan]

Even look evil there. Like some. Something. Something's different.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at your face. Doesn't even look like you. Okay. You look evil. You look, like, legitimately evil.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, Yeah. I was loose. I was tying up loose ends there.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil?

[Scott Eastwood]

A little. I'm. Look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job. I. I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that, like, let things become distorted in your mind.

[Joe Rogan]

When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months, I mean.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, I believe him. Daniel Day. Like, I believe him. So I don't know. Maybe, you know, maybe I. You know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price. And that. Price Sanity.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A little bit of sanity, you got to give it up.

[Scott Eastwood]

My dad was never like that. He was like, it's a job. Like, go to work. Do the best you can. Put in the reps. Make sure you're, you know, your. And you come prepared and you have some. Something interesting. But I can leave it at the door, man.

[Joe Rogan]

You.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. You know, you see, people, like, their minds get twisted. And we deal with artists.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

Artists are. Can be special sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they take themselves very seriously.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's also a certain amount of. You have to be thinking about how that character would think.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're really gonna pull it off. And you really did pull it off, so you had to be having some even thoughts.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I would love to talk to you.

[Scott Eastwood]

I was like, it was a. It was a greedy rock.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And I was like, I kind of let the greed take over, which is a little. Which is a little scary.

[Joe Rogan]

So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the. Like when you're getting ready for a scene? Like, how do you get your head in that space.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, a lot of. A lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions, like what I do. I'm gonna take whatever I want right now, you know, so you sort of, you know, you. You play that, but then you gotta let it go. Like, end of the day, man, you gotta let it go, right? You gotta be like, all right, cool. That was. That was that thing.

[Joe Rogan]

And then it's gotta be slippery, right?

[Scott Eastwood]

I think it can be. If you don't have. If you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories. It's fun. I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it, but it doesn't define me. It might have made me, but it's not going to break me.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

I have other interests and other things, and I know there's other important out there that I could do in this life. I think you have to have that level of thinking. Because if you think this is everything and I mean, it's too extreme. It's like, extreme. We were talking about before. It can get to. It's not healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done. Like, apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman, because. Yeah, yeah, I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got, from all accounts, the people that work with him on the film. Like, he got so into that character that he was, like, being Andy Kaufman all the time.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, we heard a lot of counts. Like, it was. It was like, they were like, dude, you gotta chill. You gotta chill. I mean, I've worked with some that are. That have taken it to the level.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker. The people like, hey, man, stop. Stop sending me dead birds. Rats. Yeah, dead rats.

[Scott Eastwood]

Shia LaBeouf. I mean. Yeah, I don't know. I always get corrected.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry. Shiloh Shyer. But yeah, there's a lot of those guys, they go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's just. I think, just having. Also, it's like frontal cortex being defined. Right. Like, you get famous too early when you did. You know, I was. I worked as a valet. I worked as a bar bag. I frigging did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kind of like, oh, no, I understand, like, how the real world operates. You get famous too early. You get stunted in your growth, and I truly believe that.

[Joe Rogan]

I think so, too. And I think it's a real crime when they do it. To little kids.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's a hundred percent.

[Joe Rogan]

They never make it out normal.

[Scott Eastwood]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

I never met one.

[Scott Eastwood]

Leo. Leo made it out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean he was a child actor.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Scott Eastwood]

He, he had good people around him. He had, you know, he, he's disciplined and he. Yeah, he's got a good like sense of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But he always has like 20 year old girlfriends. It's easy.

[Scott Eastwood]

Is it? Everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Chilling on a yacht with 20 year olds. I don't understand, like what do they even talk about? But at the end of the day, maybe less. Very few. Well, he did really. He really was famous on you. Pretty young though.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, really.

[Joe Rogan]

He might be the only one. But I mean, I guess Jody Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the worlds and these other people and you go, oh man, I don't think that was really good for, for them, you know.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's, I think also Corey Feldman. You see these people that were like huge movie stars. They're young and as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're doing good.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Their head's all up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. Well, when you place too much value on that too, and then it goes away.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Where's your identity?

[Joe Rogan]

I had Macaulay Culkin in here and he was very interesting. Very nice guy. Like very smart guy. Interesting guy. But he's strong struggles, you know, it's like he realizes he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood. Yeah. Became famous as a little kid, man. Home alone. He was little.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. My dad, I mean, kudos to my dad because he, he did a really good job of protecting us from that. And, and very private. We didn't live in la. Didn't live. You know, we lived in Carmel. We. It was a very, you know, as normal as it could be.

[Joe Rogan]

Be.

[Scott Eastwood]

But in the sense that he was like, no, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a normal human child and learn how the world works.

[Joe Rogan]

Carmel's beautiful, man. It is Nice place to grow up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. They say newlywed and nearly dead. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what it is. People get married there and then they go there to die.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so true.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's a little slow for me. Me, but it's beautiful. I, I do, I do appreciate it,

[Joe Rogan]

but they have annoying homeowners associations.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh yeah. Come on.

[Joe Rogan]

But there you were at the D

[Scott Eastwood]

and you didn't know what you were supposed to do.

[Joe Rogan]

This is off white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Get a life.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, old people love to control their. Their neighborhood. They. They get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, I'm like, so bored with that story. I'm like, God, can you just be different? Can you just surprise me with something else, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties, you know, so that's why Carmel, like, calls out to them. And if you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you got old people living around old rich people.

[Scott Eastwood]

People. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The most fun. They're the most fun.

[Scott Eastwood]

They're the most fun.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the most entitled.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The most. They think they could tell you the most what to do because they're used to telling everybody what to do. But still, Carmel, beautiful, beautiful part of the country.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That coast. Oh, my God. And also sharks out there. A lot of great whites. They're all over the place up there.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But it's California, man, is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. It has so much variation. There's something. You got deserts, you got the beach, you got mountains. We got everything. All in this one beautiful state.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, everyone was. I mean, even in the. The, like, development of our country, right. It was like everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious. It was like, oh, the gold rush

[Joe Rogan]

and getting out west and then California, really la. It was the movie industry.

[Scott Eastwood]

That's really what made it kind of sad now because it's. They've completely driven it out. I mean, good job, guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Barely have TV shows.

[Scott Eastwood]

Barely.

[Joe Rogan]

Barely.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's brutal. It's brutal.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you still live there?

[Jamie]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

You live out here now?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, I kind of. I tell people I live on the road because that's essentially where I am. You know, I was. Was Atlanta. I was here.

[Jamie]

I was there.

[Scott Eastwood]

I was in Italy making a movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never. How many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not even beneficial to live there.

[Scott Eastwood]

I've never. I don't think I've ever worked on. Maybe I've worked on one film, but it was out for a week and it was. We shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They make it so hard for people now. So stupid.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's a sad because film is, you know, inherently, like Hollywood is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America. And it's like to see that just get completely blown up in an industry.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have friends still live back there?

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tons of California friends. And you know, look, I was never. I don't have a lot of industry friends. I had. I do have some, but actors, like, sometimes aren't my people. They're just not.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

I just, I don't know, like the, I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like, that's like cool. It's something I do, but it doesn't define me.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, some of them are just, they're so self important.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's, you know, you're. It's not even. Almost not their fault almost because they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee and everyone's always catering to them. So they start feeling like they deserve that from the world.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It just gets real weird.

[Scott Eastwood]

It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's sure. Masked by, masked by like false security.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, it's like, I'm the man, I'm tougher. I'm. I'm. This thing you build this ego go up and you're like, yeah, ah, dude, like, we're just doing a job here. Can you get to set and shut the up?

[Joe Rogan]

It's just the attention that you get, you know, you get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And, you know, it's natural. Natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, and, and like some of the accountability man in the industry is unbelievable. Like, I, you know, I just worked with somebody that I think was just. Without saying any names, but, you know, just maybe, you know, people just get like too famous for too long. They think the world owes them something. And then when it comes to like doing the right thing, you're like, dude, you get to. It's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You, you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, that I can do. And you're just like, what, dude, what

[Joe Rogan]

are you talking about? Exactly. You could, you could say a name and then we'll edit it out. Want to do that?

[Scott Eastwood]

Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a, on a film with, with a director and, and they decided, you know, after we'd spent a bunch of money that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and, and didn't want to do the, do the job, do the thing. And so, so I was like, okay, well you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you. And they're like, I don't dare do that. It's like, well, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do.

[Joe Rogan]

So they decided they didn't want to work with another person.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, they didn't want to work with like another person after we like started pre production on the film.

[Joe Rogan]

So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie or were they leaving?

[Scott Eastwood]

They just left and they just, it was their directorial, their story.

[Jamie]

Their thing.

[Scott Eastwood]

It was, was just like, bro, you

[Joe Rogan]

took money from somebody, that's also a good way to get sued. That seems like that person can get sued pretty easy for that.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the, the bigger, the bigger thing is just I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking that would not go in other industries, but for some reason because, because they're stars, right? Yeah. You're like, what?

[Jamie]

Dude?

[Joe Rogan]

It's also the thing, There's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that they want to be a star. Sword that can order people around or just do whatever the they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. Like they actually enjoy that aspect of being famous.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, I, I, to be honest, I never, I really didn't like people, People think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich, sure, rich is better. Rich is better. But to be fair, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not like I love telling stories and when we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people, whether you make them laugh, make them cry, whatever, but the whole other side of that is like just really ugly. And it's, I think I was lucky in some ways. Cause I gotta see it growing up and gotta see like how it's bullshit.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time and he's just your dad.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You go, oh, this is, it's, yeah.

[Jamie]

Complete.

[Joe Rogan]

And also your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff either. Yeah, he's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or he's not interested in that at all.

[Scott Eastwood]

Not at all. He's just a put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a creative endeavor which is really cool and gets to use that, you know, use that muscle.

[Joe Rogan]

But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous on it?

[Scott Eastwood]

Sure. I think I was always like. I think I was always like, hey, I love telling stories. I love watching movies. I love this. I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever be like just an actor. It wasn't like, oh, that's my.

[Joe Rogan]

But you love.

[Scott Eastwood]

I love the storytelling of it. And I was like a conduit in. I'm doing other, other things in film now, producing, and I do want to direct. It'd be nice to like show up with my own clothes to work. Wear this.

[Joe Rogan]

Wear it here.

[Scott Eastwood]

But also films, a director's medium, it's not really an actors medium. You need actors. It's part of the deal. But the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in script and development, there's a film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film made in editing.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever directed anything before?

[Scott Eastwood]

I've, you know, I've done in. In a creative capacity. Where I've been a producer. I've had hand in directing, but not like, hey, that's my helm. That's my name on the, on the thing. And I'm super proud of it. I, I just haven't found the right material to go out and. To go out and kind of schlep around.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you write? No, no.

[Scott Eastwood]

And I, I. It's a backbone of the industry.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could write your own thing.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know how I like, when, like the discipline to do it, like for what you do is. It's tough, you know, like, you have to thought to paper.

[Joe Rogan]

That doesn't interest you.

[Scott Eastwood]

It does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. You know what I mean? I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, what about this? What if he said this? What if he did this?

[Joe Rogan]

What about this?

[Scott Eastwood]

Can we go this way?

[Joe Rogan]

So I think maybe you can have a writing partner. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you have a writing partner. Someone who you jive with, that's creative and you guys could get together and you could come up with your own idea. That way you have, like, material that is exciting for you and you could direct that. Because I would imagine if you're even working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors that you work with with, you've got a chance to see the, the discipline in the. The highest level. Like, you get to see those guys do it. You know, you get to see how they piece it together. It must be fascinating.

[Scott Eastwood]

It is. And everyone has a different. A different way of going about it. Like Guy, Guy Richie. Here's the thing about Guy Richie. You learn the script, then you show up and he's just like, throws it out the window and goes, you say this, you do that, you do this. And then, and then you're like, okay. And so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, this is awesome. Let's do. What is it? Okay, let's go.

[Joe Rogan]

So. Meaning he wants you to improvise. He wants you to talk like a real person.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's not necessarily that it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seeing the movie what he's already shot. And then he's like, I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the

[Joe Rogan]

movie in real time.

[Scott Eastwood]

In real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer, they have like a blacked out trailer, and they'll watch the movie. And he'll, they'll. They'll radio in and say, hey, say it like this or do it like this or do, you know, do it one more time. So he's kind of like watching the movie as us, as an audience member. It's really interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he the only one, you know, that does it that way?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yes, 100%. And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They would, they wouldn't even. They're just, they're like right there just

[Joe Rogan]

going, okay, have you heard Matt Damon's story?

[Scott Eastwood]

Which one?

[Joe Rogan]

Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did a take and, and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again because we do it again. Clint's like, no, we got it. Yeah. He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. I want one more go at it. He's like, we got it.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

And he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time. Sure. And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're good, we're good, we're good, we're good.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so funny. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah. Whatever Guy Ritchie's process is, it works. His fucking shows, his movies are some of my all time favorites. Favorites right from the beginning, right from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatched. Holy. His movies are so good and he really did such a fantastic job of almost like he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

That's him, that's him. That's the you think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Ritchie, Guy Ritchie movie. Like there's this dude, his name is Lee, man. Murray. Lee Murray. He was a UFC fighter. He was famous in London in England for being like a street fighter. And this a crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like one in the ufc and then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the uk.

[Scott Eastwood]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. This guy was a full on psycho. He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fighter fight. And they made a video of him hitting mitt. Six weeks later, six weeks later, he's back in the gym.

[Scott Eastwood]

Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

He was crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine, but so he got first round.

[Scott Eastwood]

He got arrested for this crime.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's still in jail.

[Scott Eastwood]

He's still in prison.

[Joe Rogan]

He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money and they did it like in a very high tech, like, like, like the movie Heat. Like that crazy. Like they had full masks on, armored body armor, the whole deal. Y. And how much did they steal?

[Jamie]

£53 million. $92 million.

[Joe Rogan]

The biggest. I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.

[Scott Eastwood]

And did they hurt? They hurt people doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't hug them, they didn't help them. I don't know if it killed.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, I mean, I just wondering like

[Joe Rogan]

if the largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. History. Wow. So it's worth $92 million.

[Scott Eastwood]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

£53 million back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had bid in the UFC. So I, you know, I called this fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. They left over 150 million behind. 150 million pounds. Because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles.

[Jamie]

Holy.

[Scott Eastwood]

How did they get caught?

[Joe Rogan]

Only about £21 million of the stone stolen cash has ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than £30 million. So he flew to Morocco. Murray and several associates fled to Morocco. Because he held dual British Moroccan citizenship and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK he evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall in Rabat following an international manhunt hunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years, Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping and armed robbery. So, like, when this guy got arrested and when everyone's here, the story, everybody was saying, that guy's got to be a Guy Richie movie.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that's. That's how much Guy Richie has, like, locked down that genre. Genre. And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?

[Jamie]

Something came out and Chasing Lightning it came out.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, no, no, he didn't make that.

[Jamie]

But something came out. It's like a miniseries about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, about the heist. But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it? Because I know a bunch of people were talking about it saying, like, it has to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Like, if you're gonna really capture who this guy was. Yeah, he was a real nut. Like a real, like, world class fighter.

[Scott Eastwood]

Who would play him? Like, give me the. Because I don't know what he looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Jason Statham could probably nail it.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay, well, then there it is.

[Joe Rogan]

He's perfect cast already. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it, but. Because Lee Murray had a full head of hair. But it doesn't matter.

[Jamie]

It's been a rumor for a long time. But he instead did a true crime docu series called called Diamond Heist instead. This is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world class MMA fighter.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who was also a robber. Like a high level.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bank robber.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, you don't steal like $90 million without.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it. And they look nuts. I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they. It Might be masks on everything, the whole deal. It's just that when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up Guy Richie's alley. He like that show Mobland. God, that shows.

[Jamie]

So good.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's good. So good.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so good. It's so like. It's like a movie that's like seven hours long or however many episodes there are.

[Jamie]

It's great.

[Scott Eastwood]

It really is great.

[Joe Rogan]

Who is he? Your. Who is. Do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with?

[Scott Eastwood]

He's. He's got to be up. I mean, he's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, if.

[Scott Eastwood]

If him. I gotta, you know, I gotta work with Oliver Stone.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Scott Eastwood]

Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil.

[Joe Rogan]

Iconic man.

[Scott Eastwood]

George Tillman Jr. Is a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie, Men of Honor.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Scott Eastwood]

Remember with Cubic Gooding Jr. Sure. He's a great director. There's a lot of.

[Jamie]

There's.

[Joe Rogan]

I've.

[Scott Eastwood]

I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool. David Ayer is really interesting. That guy's a tough.

[Jamie]

He.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know if you know his story, but he was. He's had a really dark past, but he. He was essentially. He lived on a submarine for like two years, like, underwater. Whoa.

[Jamie]

Like, yeah. He's.

[Scott Eastwood]

I'm like, you got some screws loose. If you lived on a subway submarine

[Joe Rogan]

for two years, underwater for two years, will you up for 200 years? I know.

[Scott Eastwood]

I'm just thinking about getting out. How claustrophobic you could get. Like, I gotta get out of this thing. Get me out.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah, I could do that for an hour.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't even know if I want. I don't even know if I want to get in a submarine. After I watched the. The tin can, they just exploded.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, those people.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, that's not wise.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them, they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark quick. It's like that.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. But then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like, you got in that stupid tin can.

[Joe Rogan]

You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse.

[Scott Eastwood]

I can't go down like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Think about all these fucking people that would love to have a. Just a Piece of your money so they could go have a margarita in your lake somewhere.

[Scott Eastwood]

Go to Tin Can. It's gonna be great.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody I looked through a tiny wind window like you. Well, I had, you know, I had a conversation with Cameron, and Cameron went. James Cameron went to the bottom of the ocean by himself.

[Scott Eastwood]

No, no, that's not. There's so, so much wrong with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Even at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right? Like, I think he's the. He holds the world record for like, single piloted submarine vehicle.

[Jamie]

The.

[Joe Rogan]

The deepest depths. Like.

[Scott Eastwood]

No. And I also, I feel the same way about space. You know, I'm like, I'm a big Musk fan, but I don't have any desire, bro, to go to Mars or go to space.

[Joe Rogan]

Have fun about that, bro.

[Scott Eastwood]

Have fun. You do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay. I'm all good here on this planet.

[Joe Rogan]

It must be awesome to be just. I would like to be in Earth's orbit once just to look down.

[Scott Eastwood]

I bet it's nice to see the fourth. That'd be cool.

[Joe Rogan]

They say you have that experience, like all these different astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect that you, when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just. You like, oh my God, we're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop. We have to stop all this. Like, you have this realization of what we really are and what we're really doing and how stupid tribal conflicts are and like world.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, yeah, World war.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

We keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually. Actually, it's, it's, it's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again. A world war. I mean, that's the, like, if you look at the math, it's kind of happening right now. It's like, what's going on, man? Are we gonna keep doing this? I guess that's what we're do.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very disturbing when you're playing a character in a period piece like that. What, what do you have to do in terms of like, make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they've talked. Like, did you have to watch film of those old people?

[Scott Eastwood]

And you, you, you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this, this movie, you know, was about. Geez, the guys are, you know, almost all passed away at this point, but I luckily got. Got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories. See, like, sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories, and you realize. You realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II, you know, so many people that did so many things that affect, like, our way of life, I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And so you carry, like, that weight with you. It's. It can be. If it's a real. If it's, you know, you know, the person. You can watch tape on them, then you get it. You get that, like luxury. But if you don't, then, you know, it's just. I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can to that. It's. It comes with a cost doing. Doing these movies because not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them and you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at the Washington Archives in D.C. 107 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Scott Eastwood]

Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand, you know, and really quite clear. Still had it like. I mean, like, shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, oh, my gosh. But you could feel that generation that. You could feel that what he had been through. He. He was. He was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Scott Eastwood]

And you're like. And then to him, have him tell us, like, we got it right. And that's what it, like, you know, like, brought me to tears.

[Jamie]

I was like.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, kind of like.

[Scott Eastwood]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Jamie]

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[Scott Eastwood]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Scott Eastwood]

Na.

[Joe Rogan]

I can imagine having a conversation with 170-year-old guy. Guy who's been through war, and the war was, what, how many years ago?

[Scott Eastwood]

1942.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that? How many years ago is that?

[Scott Eastwood]

So he would probably would have been 20. Yes.

[Jamie]

So.

[Scott Eastwood]

Right. He would have been, like, 84.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, 84 years ago.

[Scott Eastwood]

Y.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years old, and your life is kind of defined, mind, by something that happened 84 years ago.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. It's. It's. It's. It's wild what they went through. Wild. And imagine, I mean, if they're like, hey, pack up, Joe. Like, we're. We're going to wherever it is, like, I don't know, wherever we're going right now, and we're gonna have to kill people.

[Joe Rogan]

And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting? Like, newspaper articles and a radio broadcast. Podcast.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you read? A battalion commander during World War II. Stern. His name was Senator Radcliffe. What is his name? Herbert Irving Stern. That's his name. So it says. A battalion commander During World War II, Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. In April 1945, while driving through Germany, Stern, his men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners, and destroyed the facility.

[Scott Eastwood]

Wow. Isn't that amazing? Like, we have to celebrate these people, you know? Like, can you imagine?

[Joe Rogan]

You're overseas, you're a kid, it's 1945, and you liberate a camp of 3,000 Jewish women that are being imprisoned.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

It gives me chills just thinking about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy shit, man.

[Jamie]

It would have been like, yeah, 35 years old, 34 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

You imagine we could see what that guy's saying.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, I. I don't know if we want to. I mean, that would change your whole. Change your Whole world. Like, look on the world, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, but you have to think that way, right?

[Jamie]

When you're.

[Joe Rogan]

When you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that? Like, what is that? Like, it just.

[Scott Eastwood]

It comes with. Like I said, it comes with a cost.

[Jamie]

You.

[Scott Eastwood]

You go through an emotional journey, you pay a price. You have to lend your own emotion and own grief, whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's part of going through what it would have been like to see some of these atrocities. To see what it's like to lose your best friend. Right. Besides. Guide you. To lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women that are, you know, probably skin and bones and like, it's just, you know, makes you just so. It makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced with it like that, it's. It's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that and that they still, still are. That they still. I mean, to this day, right. Right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people.

[Scott Eastwood]

I know. It's. Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal to think how savage we can become. Like, it's. And it's crazy because you think about it, it's like, we're not far off. You take water away for 72 hours and we're dead.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

So how quickly do we. We turn savage, fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. The civilization's a very thin veneer. Yeah, it's very thin, and it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are delusional. And they're very well fed, Very well fed and rested, and they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is. I think when you're. I would imagine when you're doing a World War II film or something like that, like, you're forced to realize. You're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition that sometimes, I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really, you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history, you know, we talk about the Various wars. And what happened? What was the result? Result? And who was the king and who did this?

[Scott Eastwood]

What was it over? Greed, resources. This war was. Is really. I think. I think why it's so fascinating. Why World War II is still so fascinating is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war. Really.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Scott Eastwood]

What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. You know, they were exterminated, innocent people. And we came together as a world, you know, coalition and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? Or, you know, you're questioning. What is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people. And that is. That's very different.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. We think of that as our last great war. War. That is the. The World War II, in most people's eyes is the last just war.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, we think it. It's like, that's the one that needed to be gone because it wasn't just evil people. It was evil people on meth, which is really crazy when you. When we. I didn't know that until like, a decade or two ago. Yeah. That they were all on meth. And then we had Norman. Oh, he wrote. How do I say his last name?

[Jamie]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

Or he wrote this book Blitzed, and it's all about the Blitzkrieg. When they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland in, like, three days.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it was all meth. They just gave them meth.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah. That was in the beginning of the war. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They had, like, 35 million doses of meth.

[Scott Eastwood]

Nuts, man. That is nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like, you

[Jamie]

guys get the most.

[Joe Rogan]

Most meth. They wanted them just messed up. Cracked up just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine, so, like, they're all chilling. And how, like, they got. Just got up, man.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just. It's not that long ago. That's what's really scary.

[Scott Eastwood]

It is. It's super scary. Also, what's. What was crazy about this movie? And. And, you know, I just. I learned something new every time I do a. A. A war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America. Like, live. Had a life here. And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany.

[Jamie]

Whoa.

[Scott Eastwood]

Can you imagine that? How many? Like, like thousands.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Scott Eastwood]

That went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were, were they. A lot of them spoke English. A lot of had the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like, can you imagine doing that?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany.

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Settle down.

[Scott Eastwood]

Hold on, hold the phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you know this spot is better. You should be fighting for this, you dumbass.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The people that are willing to do that, that's a, that's a different kind of brainwashing.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, I mean, you know, makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays. Like, and you kind of think like, oh, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. And I'm not, I'm not a lot, but I do see, and we were talking about it today. It's like, how strong is the government to like brainwash, you know, the MK Ultra stuff? Like the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do. Kill somebody, whatever. Yeah, that's like really terrifying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

You think you're your own thoughts and

[Joe Rogan]

emotions, but also if you find someone who's vulnerable, vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose, you give them a direction. Yeah, you can. I mean, they've done it before. It's not. They didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. Yeah, if I had a guess, by some organization. I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone who just. His background is too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment. When they went to examine it, all of his hard drives were gone, all of his computers were gone. He had more than one cell phone, which is very odd for a 20 year old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole thing was.

[Scott Eastwood]

Can you explain to me the, the, the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's, I've heard a lot of like stuff and a lot of smart people that I like respect, like there's something going on with that that we don't know the full well.

[Joe Rogan]

There's something going on with the guy being able to Climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together at a. Again. Like the whole thing makes no sense. They, they think they have footage of him in a backpack. So. But a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so the, the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun, then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take. You got to put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore. So you're going to have to, to. You're going to have to sight that gun in, right? And if you sight that gun in, you're going to want to have targets to practice on. You're not just going to take 140 yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk. Not knowing if your sight is on because you. I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle and we went back to the range to test it and it was off on a. So when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger. So just on to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by 6 inches at 100 yards just by moving from a fall, you know, and so you have to check that and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a. You just take the scope off and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's going to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. He's. It's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is. It's grow. The whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is, where, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it, they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later. The guy, the guy's just chilling at a. Some frozen yogurt store. That seems weird.

[Scott Eastwood]

What about this stuff with like the, the people that were like, right around the shooting and stuff and like, is there like some weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of people that think that some. That someone. Some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of. Seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If. If I was standing there and I went like this, and at that moment, someone got get shot.

[Scott Eastwood]

Okay, now. Now we're making a mountain out of them. Yeah, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Or if you look at your watch at a certain point, that. And that person gets shot. Like a lot of movements going on. You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a.30 odds. Well, it does. It's not a big enough hole. 30.06 is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a.30 06, you would expect. First of all, you'd expect an exit wound. And there's no exit wound. It just goes in and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a. That's a round that you would shoot an elk with. It's a big ground. And then there's a video footage of him from the back. And it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops.

[Jamie]

The details about him being a Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one. And the one they thought he was at closed down, weirdly, a couple of weeks afterwards.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, but he was. There is footage of him at a Dairy Queen.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Just which one it was and when it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, either way, after you shoot Charlie. Correct. Kirk, do you really go to a Dairy Queen like this before they sing to. Oh, right before you go to Charlie, Kirk. You know, them blizzards got a lot of caffeine in it. I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now.

[Jamie]

He hasn't even. There isn't up to Update as of June 12th in a hearing. And this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is Convicted. He has not yet entered a plea. How is, how that happened in September? How has he not yet entered a plea?

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Scott Eastwood]

Is that like, this is good? They're going over details about keep, keep you in limbo.

[Jamie]

The, the prosecution going on public talking about the, the bullet fragment found and defense is saying they shouldn't have done that. And there's a whole back and forth about that.

[Scott Eastwood]

I don't know. I don't, I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like you said, there's some where people are going to go, ah, Leo, see, look. And you're like, okay, come on.

[Joe Rogan]

Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous. And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover and how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was going to get out of the Israel supporting business. I don't know what that means. You know, I don't.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu. He's expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real? I don't know.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's so hard these days to decide.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing is 100 real.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you, if it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of its. And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man or a trans woman, rather. And so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that. Really?

[Scott Eastwood]

Do you think, like a. Younger people, though, have like a bigger distrust in the media? I feel like now, I feel like that's, it's changing so it's maybe for the best.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure. But I mean, this isn't even the media. This is the government. You know, this is the official position. Like they paved over the, the crime scene like within days afterwards. That's weird. Yeah, but there's a lot of weird, man. The Thomas Crooks thing, they, they cremated him within days after he was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the, where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening? Why did he shoot at the President. Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the is going on? And you know, we don't ever get told, you know, this Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird. Just the gun itself alone, I've heard varying depictions. Getting on that fucking roof with a gun. Going through the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun. So did he get the gun up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not. Doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the stock, maybe the barrels in his legs. He taped it to his pants. Fuck off. Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together again and make it that accurate. I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it and then put it back together again in the woods. Is that what doing. They're saying. I don't know if that's exactly what. That's some version of it, but any version of it where this guy under a high stress, high adrenaline situation is taking apart a gun and putting it back together again. Off, off. Like, I don't believe that.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, especially someone untrained, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

Like, not a.

[Joe Rogan]

And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped.

[Jamie]

Like, okay, the thing with which one is this? This is the. The first shooting. The professionally scrubbed apart apartment. That's a weird detail that doesn't seem to have accuracy.

[Joe Rogan]

It says right here, 7-24-24. House Homeland Security Committee hearing Rep. Eli Crane said he had received information that crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record. And from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware. Talking to points spread through blogs, forums, X posts and podcasts. What officials have said. When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Col. Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, Paris implied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings.

[Scott Eastwood]

But see, this is what I like with his parents. This is what I like, though. You're fact checking yourself. And I think this is super important because people start. No matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative. And it's like, no, no, hold on. I could be wrong. And let's fact check.

[Jamie]

Maybe.

[Scott Eastwood]

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. So he was living with his primary residence, it says was his parents single family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate Apartment?

[Jamie]

Said he didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

It said he didn't. This is primary residence.

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, that's what you call

[Joe Rogan]

it, but it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?

[Jamie]

Question. Did he have his own apartment or whatever? What about the apartment?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see. I see. So I gave you that response. The house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt. And investigators reported finding bomb making materials there. Oh, boy. So in case it didn't work out with the gun. He had a bomb. Did he think he was going to make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought he'd shoot the President, Just jump away, no one's going to notice. Like, they got snipers all over the place. They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there.

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, see, that's the scary thing, right? Yeah. The mind control, like. Like you said, you know, especially if

[Joe Rogan]

they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of people were very concerned. They cremated him right away. Because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them, like, maybe he had LSD in his system, maybe he had something else, some other psychiatric medications in his system that you would say, well, why was he given this? You know, is this something that we've done when we were working on mind control experiments? Have we given people these things?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from D.C. to his house from, like, Virginia, outside the FBI area where the FBI offices are, back and forth to this guy's house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. I can't say whose phone. Who knows? Probably nothing.

[Scott Eastwood]

Or don't they know?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, there's also in a Black Rock commercial, if you want to find

[Scott Eastwood]

out whose phone that is, they got.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, people can find out, imagine.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's all weird.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not. I mean, look, there's probably a lot of people before the election that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank who you think it might be. But most likely somebody got a kid to try to do it, and he didn't pull it off, but he came close.

[Scott Eastwood]

Scary man.

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy.

[Scott Eastwood]

Oh, the. I've Heard that. I was hearing that they let him

[Joe Rogan]

nick his ear with a bullet.

[Scott Eastwood]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know how dumb that sounds?

[Jamie]

Sounds?

[Joe Rogan]

You have no idea about shooting things at distance.

[Scott Eastwood]

There's no way, like, it's performative, so we can. Like what?

[Joe Rogan]

There's not a chance in hell that you could nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You can easily blow half their head off, you know?

[Scott Eastwood]

And. And like, what? So, like, they're gonna take that risk to run that performative, and what happens if they're.

[Joe Rogan]

Kill the people behind them?

[Scott Eastwood]

Yeah, because. Oh, because someone got shot, right?

[Joe Rogan]

One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy. Guy got shot really badly. And two other people, I think, are suing now they're suing the government for negligence because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured because they got shot.

[Scott Eastwood]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the whole. The. The whole thing where the lady who was the head of the Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense because this. The slope of the building where the snipers were on was steep. Keeper made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot.

[Scott Eastwood]

I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying.

[Jamie]

Always.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know what I mean? They're pulling strings, and if you're not playing by their rules, you're not kissing the ring.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of.

[Scott Eastwood]

Hollywood's the same way?

[Jamie]

You know what I mean?

[Scott Eastwood]

Hollywood is like, there's a lot of that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of that.

[Scott Eastwood]

A lot of that, like, kiss the ring and things. You're like, nah, I ain't gonna do that. You know? You know, it's like, nah. Yeah, you let. You know, it's like. Like you said, how bad you want to be Batman? How bad you want to be Batman? If it cost me my soul maybe. Maybe I'm good.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, good for you, dude. Good for you.

[Jamie]

You've.

[Joe Rogan]

You've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship. And I think that's very important, you know? And, like, I always tell people. People, like, he's like the normalist guy. You're like the normalist guy. That it's a movie star like that. I know. Like, every time, like, I've introduced you to people, they're like, who is he? That's Scott Eastwood. Like, what? That's Clint Eastwood, son. It's like, like he should. He's so normal.

[Scott Eastwood]

There's a lot of normal people, though. There's some great ones.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Eastwood]

You know, there's some great ones, but they're few and far between, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are super normal. Yeah, they're like regular guys. When you talk to them, they're. They managed to keep their. As hard as it is. Yeah, keep whoever it is. That's them. They, they're still that y. So kudos to them. Kudos to you and thanks for these vitamins. Yeah, man, I'm going to take them. I'll tell you what's up.

[Scott Eastwood]

Tell me what's up.

[Joe Rogan]

They suck. I'm going to tell you that too. I'm sure they're great. I'm just kidding. North Performance. That's what it's called.

[Scott Eastwood]

There we go, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

And your movie. One more time.

[Scott Eastwood]

Lucky Strike out tomorrow.

[Joe Rogan]

Strike out tomorrow. Out tomorrow. Beautiful.

[Scott Eastwood]

It's perfect timing. 250 years celebrate the our veterans.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Yes. Good luck with that.

[Scott Eastwood]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

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