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Welcome to the podcast, I'm your host, Jaden Schaefer. Today on the podcast, guys, I gotta cover what's going down with Anthropic. They have released so much, in fact, people are saying they're completely changing everything that OpenAI is doing. There's a release schedule from Anthropic because OpenAI recently just announced that, you know, they're shutting down Sora, their video model, for good, and people are confused about it. And all signs basically point back to Anthropic and how much good ground they have gained with white collar and productivity work. And their revenue is absolutely insane as more and more people are using them to basically power their whole businesses and companies. So I want to talk about the most recent update that Anthropic did. Two days ago they released a computer use on Claude Cowork, which essentially, if you're using Claude, there's three different tabs, the chat, the cowork and the Claude code. Personally, I'm not a developer, so I don't use the Claude code, although I probably should figure out how to use that more. But yesterday I spent basically the entire day working with Claude Cowork. If you haven't used it before, I'm going to talk about some of the best ways to get used to use it, some of the best frameworks, what it can do, what it can't do, and a lot of the updates. Now, one of the things that I'm really excited about with all of this is that if you want to try the latest versions of these AI models, whether that's Claude or OpenAI or Google or Grok or any other models, you can go check out my startup AI Box AI, where you get access to over 70 of the top models and you can actually build apps and tools with them, build automations so you don't have to sit there and do things over and over again. The website is AI Box AI. You describe the tool you'd like to build and we'll automatically chain AI models together, add prompts and build a tool for you so it's linked in the description. You also could just chat in our playground with over 70 of the top AI models, and that is 8,99amonth. So way cheaper than $20 for, you know, 20 of these different subscriptions. Okay, Claude Cowork, the thing that a lot of people have been super excited about is Felix Reisenberg two days ago said today we're releasing a feature that allows Claude to control your computer mouse, keyboard and screen, giving it the ability to see any App. I believe this is especially useful if used with Dispatch, which allows you to remotely control your computer while you're away. So two features here and both of them I've tried, both of them are impressive. Dispatch essentially is. And all this stuff, by the way, you might not see, see if you're using Claude, but it's in your settings. So the first thing with this particular use is that it is for. When they first rolled it out it was for Mac, but I think just today, a couple hours ago, they added it for Windows as well. So everyone should be able to get access to this. You have to download. I downloaded the, the specific Claude app for my Mac. So it's not like on the website or the web browser. This has to be the app because it is taking control of your computer. So you're going to go into the settings and you're going to want to toggle on Claude Cowork and also you're going to want to go and toggle on Dispatch. Now Dispatch is a particularly useful feature that essentially allows it to sync up to your phone. So if your, if your computer's open and I just have my computer set to, if it is plugged in, not to go to sleep. And so I could be away somewhere, somewhere far away. And Claude can be essentially working, you know, working remote, essentially it takes over my computer screen. It can do literally anything I want it to do. And then with my phone, if I'm like, let's say I'm at the grocery store, I can open my phone up, see what, what it's working on and chat with it and say, hey now can you please do xyz? Basically I think this is Claude's response to openclaw which by the way, I also tried to set up. Well, I did set up openclaw as well the day before. It is complex. I don't want to, I don't want to like, I don't know, sound, sound too dumb here or something. But it's kind of tricky. It takes a while to set up. You're going to want to watch a lot of tutorials if you're not a developer. Cloud code is much harder to get set up and it doesn't have a lot of the cool user interfaces. There's just a lot to set up where in my opinion, if you're the average, maybe white collar person or you're working in a company, you want to kind of be on the cutting edge. This is huge. Now what I will say is it is completely taking control of your computer screen. And it is sort of slow, especially right now. And they even admit this in. In. In their like post. He said, we will work. This will work with both Claude Cowork and Claude Desktop app. You can use it to click all of the buttons in a legacy app that you'd like to automate or use it to help you debug a native app you're working on. It's slow, but giving Claude any mouse and keys is so exciting to me. That's what Felix said about this. He's over at Anthropic. So it's slow is an understatement. It feels kind of like it's honey, if I'm being honest. So I'm not going to overhype this and say, like, it's zooming around, clicking. The speed will increase inevitably. But for the time being, I think they're just trying to be really careful and make it slow. So why do I bring that up? It's a very useful tool because you can essentially chat with it and get it to do a whole thing. So yesterday I had it generating. Generating scripts for a project I'm working on. I had it going and logging into different websites, generating content. I had it going to AI Box, my own website, and running boxes on AI Boxes and grabbing the output of those boxes. Actually found that was one of the best ways to use it was basically to build an automation or like a tool on AI Box and then give it a whole project. But, you know, when it came to the content generation, instead of trying to manually give it a huge prompt where it had to add that into its steps, it's just one of the steps was go to this box, this link box on AI Box, generate with, you know, this, these inputs, and then grab that and move it to the next part of our project. I then had it literally opening up and editing videos on Cap Cut. So I just told it like, hey, on my computer, there's a video editor called Cap Cut. Open that up, pull this file in, pull that file in and start editing it in this way and that. Now what I will say is, again, not. Not very fast. Like, it got a lot of the work done. But, like, if you sit there and watch it, sometimes it can feel painful because it's like, I am opening up Cap Cut now I am searching for the new project button. And then it's like, says like 20 things back and forth for like three minutes. It's like, okay, I'm clicking on it and you're like, oh, my gosh, it's so slow. But so here's where. Think that this is pretty useful. Number one is it took me basically all day to kind of chat back and forth with it and get it to figure out how to do this whole project, this whole workflow that I mean to be fair, probably would save me two hours a day. And, and it's actually something that I have, it's something that I have a, an employee working on, but it's something that'll probably take two hours a day. It took me, I don't know, the better part of four hours, not of like constantly chatting, but I'd like send a message, I'd be working on something on my other computer and then like 10 minutes later I'd send message or correct it. But the cool thing about it is at the end of a conversation, once you do work out like a whole workflow and automation with it, you can say save this as a skill. It will create a file where it breaks down everything that worked. And also, by the way, sometimes it tries things, they don't work and it tries them a different way. When it creates that skill file at the end, it will just like basically document all the ways that it worked to accomplish your task so it doesn't have to go and try different things. And sometimes, sometimes the way this tool works is different than the way that we are used to. So I remember like when I was first using it, there was, I was like, copy this and paste it here. And it really struggled with like the copy and paste for a long time. And finally there was like a pop up that like had to, you know, say like, hey, do you accept the copy like that? I can use the copy and paste on your computer. And I'm like, well of course. So then added that to the skill. When I ran it again right at the beginning, before I even kicked off the whole thing, it's like, hey, we need access to copy and paste and your browser and your computer files. And it kind of had like this checklist and I clicked Accept all. Then it could run the whole process where. Well, I kind of worked through it and it was taking a long time. Yesterday it was having pop ups one by one being like, oh, I can't do that unless you give me access to this. So once it built that skill file, it gave me all of those kind of access requirements right at the beginning that I could check off and it could go. So it takes a while to get something set up. But once you save it as a skill, um, then I just basically the skill kind of has A name and all I have to do is say, hey, run this skill again and it will go and do the whole process. And it kind of has it all figured out now. It is slow. So I would definitely recommend having a separate computer that you are running this on. And I think you can just get an old laptop if you have one. A lot of people of course are buying Mac Minis, but I don't think that's completely necessary at all. But right now I literally have a couple. I have a few laptops. So I just ran that on my Mac all day yesterday and then was working off of my Windows as kind of my backup. I'll probably at some point get a Mac Mini that is running at all. I think it works a little better on Mac at the moment. Well, at least that was what I was thinking about. We just, they just rolled out Windows today, so it was only two days apart. I was just thinking they didn't have Windows ready to. Ready to rock and roll. Overall, been really impressed with this tool there. It's so much it could do. I mean literally because it can take control of your screen and it can click around. I've used a lot of these agent softw for the last couple of years. OpenAI really kind of was, kind of had a good thing going with their agents, but they just weren't quite there. And this feels much, much more sophisticated. This feels like it actually works. And I've been actually seeing this for a while because I've been using the Google Chrome Claude app, which is a sidebar which takes control of your Google Chrome browser and gets stuff done for you. So that was kind of my first introduction to this. Now that they've just made it control your whole computer screen. Um, I'm thrilled and this is honestly a, a pretty decent tool, especially if you can use it. If you can dispatch it remote from your phone, I would say throw this on a separate computer and I would probably say build out some skills that it. That you teach it how to do and just have it running those skills throughout your day. Anything that's pretty repetitive, if it's writing newsletters or articles or documents or research, all that kind of stuff, it can, it can get it all figured out. Now the one thing that I want to end this on, I made a post on LinkedIn and it got a lot of traction. So I think it probably resonated and struck a chord with a lot of people. And I had basically reshared a post that I saw on X from Thomas Frank. He said currently 892 hours into automating a 30 second task I do four times a year. It's going to be so worth it once I get everything working. I thought that was hilarious and I think that that's kind of what it felt like for me yesterday. But I was also figuring out the tool and all the capabilities and how to set it up and how to, you know, how to basically connect it with my Gmail and with all of my different apps and stuff that I use. So I think at the end of the day, it does kind of feel like this. It takes forever to figure out some of these automation softwares, but I definitely think that this Claude, this, this Claude computer use is one that's super valuable. It's worth learning. Um, yes, like I could say it's kind of slow and it's not, you know, and it asks like for permission to do things, but it does get the task done and it does do it well. So I would say spend some time on this one. It's going to get faster. Like they're going to make the, the tool become faster and faster. Now if you're a developer, you probably don't even need this. You're probably running something like openclaw or something like cloud code that can get a lot of these types of things that a lot can get a lot of stuff done for you. But if you are a no coder like myself, this is 100%, I think, the best way to work with agents and to automate stuff. It is phenomenal. I would highly recommend it. All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning into the podcast today. If this was interesting, tried to really just basically spend the entire day yesterday researching for this. So I would give a high quality episode that wasn't just commenting on it, but telling you what I actually tried and what actually worked. If this was helpful and you want more episodes like this, please leave a review on the podcast and let me know. Over on Apple you could drop a comment and on Spotify you can hit the about section on the podcast and drop some stars. Helps out the show a ton. Thank you so much for tuning in. Make sure to go try AI Box AI if you'd like to build automations that your Claude cowork can go and use and make sure that it speeds up the process and gets exactly what you want as far as outputs on text, audio, video and images. All right guys, thanks so much and I'll catch you in the next episode.