#2317 - Cody Tucker - The Joe Rogan Experience

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The Joe Rogan Experience - Episode #2317: Cody Tucker

Release Date: May 7, 2025

In this engaging episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, host Joe Rogan sits down with Cody Tucker, a multifaceted personality known for his intriguing Instagram page and recently released book titled "And Now, You Know". Their conversation delves deep into a myriad of topics ranging from the origins of online podcasts to genetic engineering and the complexities of modern education.

1. Introduction to Cody Tucker and Synchronicity

Joe Rogan [00:24]: "What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram, and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out?"

Cody Tucker reflects on the serendipitous nature of their meeting, hinting at themes of synchronicity and the simulation theory. This sets the tone for a discussion about the interconnectedness of events and how digital platforms can lead to unexpected collaborations.

2. Origins of Online Podcasts and Influential Figures

The duo reminisces about the early days of internet shows and podcasts, mentioning pioneers like Tom Green and the Opie and Anthony show. They discuss how simplicity in equipment—just a laptop and a basic microphone—didn't hinder the growth of their platforms, emphasizing the power of word-of-mouth in building a dedicated audience.

Joe Rogan [02:30]: "We started in 2009... this thing got where it is a hundred percent word of mouth."

3. Outlaw Josie Wales and the Dark Legacy of Asa Carter

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Asa Carter, a former KKK member who became disillusioned with the organization's lack of extreme racism. Carter's transformation into Forest Carter and his authorship of "Outlaw Josie Wales", which Clint Eastwood later adapted into a film, is dissected in detail.

Cody Tucker [06:19]: "Asa Carter... he made his own version, like a splinter group of the KKK."

They explore the complexities of Carter's motivations and the broader implications of his actions within both the KKK and his subsequent literary endeavors.

4. Stephen King's Pseudonyms and Literary Prolificacy

The discussion shifts to Stephen King's use of pseudonyms, notably Richard Bachman, allowing him to explore different genres without overwhelming his primary brand.

Joe Rogan [10:31]: "At the last moment he changed it to Richard Bachman."

They delve into King's strategy for prolific writing and the challenges of maintaining artistic integrity while experimenting with different narrative styles.

5. Reflections on Fame, Addiction, and Influential Personalities

Joe Rogan shares personal anecdotes about his encounters with celebrities like Norm Macdonald, highlighting the struggles of addiction even among the most admired figures.

Joe Rogan [17:35]: "And he walks straight into the store and buys a pack of cigarettes and is literally lighting it before he gets out the door."

The conversation underscores the universal battle against addiction, irrespective of one's public status.

6. Smoking, Nicotine, and Health Implications

Tackling the allure of smoking, Rogan and Tucker discuss nicotine's effects, the differences between delivery methods, and the societal perceptions surrounding smoking.

Joe Rogan [16:35]: "It's like accelerating your demise... for a head rush."

They also touch upon the manipulative additives in cigarettes that enhance addiction, drawing parallels to other industries that prioritize profit over consumer well-being.

7. Privacy, VPNs, and the 'Dead Internet' Theory

The duo delves into concerns about online privacy, advocating for the use of VPNs to protect personal data from being exploited by data brokers. They discuss the "Dead Internet" theory, which posits that a significant portion of internet interactions may already be AI-generated.

Joe Rogan [27:57]: "The AI Dead Internet theory... AI becomes sentient and completely fakes the Internet."

This segment raises questions about the authenticity of online interactions and the potential future where AI surveillance becomes ubiquitous.

8. Genetic Engineering: Tardigrades and Superhumans

A fascinating discussion emerges around the integration of Tardigrade DNA into humans, exploring the possibilities and ethical implications of creating superhumans resistant to radiation and other environmental hazards.

Joe Rogan [46:09]: "They were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk."

The conversation highlights the thin line between scientific advancement and playing god, pondering the future of human evolution through genetic manipulation.

9. Mental Health, ADHD, and Pharmaceutical Dependencies

Tucker and Rogan share personal experiences regarding ADHD and the reliance on medications like Ritalin and Adderall. They critique the medical industry's approach to mental health, questioning the necessity and long-term effects of such medications.

Joe Rogan [61:00]: "ADHD is one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit."

The segment emphasizes the need for alternative approaches to education and mental health treatment that align more closely with human nature.

10. Historical Myths, Giants, and Archaeological Mysteries

The conversation ventures into ancient myths of giants and the plausibility of their existence based on archaeological findings. They discuss sites like Gobekli Tepe and conjecture about lost civilizations like Atlantis, considering how stories may be echoes of actual historical events.

Joe Rogan [151:00]: "The Livestock first start making a noise... When you see a small misleading..." (Note: Timestamp may vary)

The duo debates the intersection of myth and history, contemplating whether legendary tales hold traces of real, albeit misunderstood, historical truths.

11. Critique of Traditional Education and Modern Society's Rigid Structures

Rogan and Tucker express dissatisfaction with the traditional education system, advocating for more flexible and engaging learning methods that cater to diverse cognitive styles.

Joe Rogan [62:30]: "It's a real good question."

They argue that the current system stifles natural curiosity and fails to accommodate individuals who think differently, leading to widespread dissatisfaction and disengagement.

12. Music, Creativity, and the Modern Entertainment Landscape

The discussion touches upon the changing dynamics of the music industry, the rise of independent artists, and the impact of algorithms in curating musical tastes. They celebrate artists like Oliver Anthony who emerge organically, contrasting them with heavily marketed mainstream acts.

Joe Rogan [56:48]: "There's a bunch of Astroturf stuff... and there are legit artists to just like Zach Bryan."

This segment highlights the tension between genuine creativity and commercialized entertainment in the digital age.

13. Personal Anecdotes: Wildlife Encounters and Survival Stories

Throughout the episode, Rogan and Tucker share vivid personal stories about encounters with wildlife, including alligators and crocodiles, reflecting on the raw and often dangerous aspects of nature.

Cody Tucker [83:46]: "Oh, my God. That's some prehistorically savage stuff right there."

These anecdotes serve as a testament to the unpredictable and untamed forces of the natural world, juxtaposing human vulnerabilities against nature's might.

Conclusion

This episode of The Joe Rogan Experience offers a rich tapestry of discussions, blending personal experiences with broader societal and scientific issues. From the intricacies of genetic engineering and the authenticity of online interactions to critiques of modern education and the preservation of historical truths, Rogan and Tucker navigate complex topics with depth and enthusiasm. Their candid dialogue invites listeners to ponder the nuances of progress, the preservation of authenticity, and the eternal quest for knowledge.

Note: All timestamps correspond to the points in the provided transcript and may vary slightly based on the final podcast edit.

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[00:02]
Joe Rogan
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All right. What up, dog? What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram, and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out?
[00:21]
Cody Tucker
It's pretty unlikely.
[00:23]
Joe Rogan
Kind of crazy.
[00:24]
Cody Tucker
Little bit.
[00:24]
Joe Rogan
Right. You know, it's kind of like the universe smiled upon us. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, synchronicity. If you want to believe in the simulation. Sometimes I do.
[00:35]
Cody Tucker
I'm with you. I. Sometimes you just see something. You're like, this is. This is a simulation. Right, Right. We're not in the real.
[00:43]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, there's.
[00:44]
Cody Tucker
There's a second and a third and a fourth and so on.
[00:46]
Joe Rogan
Sometimes just things seem like God is showing you satire. Like. Like, there's, like, just a little fun thrown in there, and a lot of it is on your Instagram page. I have to tell you, dude, I have wasted so much fucking time. So much time watching your videos going, what the fuck? Is that real? And so many things I've learned from it. It's actually. It's very educational, but it's also very fun. Cody Tucker, your book is called and now, you know. And, you know, I didn't even know you had a book. When I reached out to you, I just said, this guy's got to be interesting.
[01:21]
Cody Tucker
Like, yeah. I mean, that remains to be seen, but we'll find out.
[01:25]
Joe Rogan
You are on Instagram. How did you get started doing that type of a page? Because it's very specific.
[01:31]
Cody Tucker
I. I mean, I've always been interested in, like, random facts, like, you know, origin stories of words, like movies, all these different things, like the, you know, dark side of history.
[01:41]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[01:42]
Cody Tucker
And I like telling people those stories, and they seem to enjoy it whenever I tell them. So I was like, why don't I just, like, make little videos and clip them? You know, clip them up, make them look all right.
[01:53]
Joe Rogan
What were you doing before? You're doing that?
[01:55]
Cody Tucker
I mean, I've always had a podcast. No one watches this thing, so it's. All right.
[01:59]
Joe Rogan
Well, we'll bump that up now.
[02:02]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah, it might change now, but, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily recommend watching the podcast, but it is. It exists.
[02:08]
Joe Rogan
That's hilarious.
[02:09]
Cody Tucker
All right, but that is, by the.
[02:11]
Joe Rogan
Way, so much better. Then please watch my podcast. Like, and subscribe. When you. Whenever a video gets interrupted by, like and subscribe, the last thing I want to do is, like, and subscribe.
[02:20]
Cody Tucker
Like, come on. I. I mean, I'D rather you just. If you watch it and like it. Well, thank you. If you don't get it, you get in line.
[02:27]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's how podcasts get good.
[02:30]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[02:31]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's, that's what I started out doing with this. I never advertised this thing once. Yeah, this, this thing got where it is a hundred percent word of mouth. Yeah, that's it.
[02:41]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. So I started watching pretty early and it was. But it still had like a pretty decent following then. But I know like you started like.
[02:49]
Joe Rogan
We started in 2009.
[02:51]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. So this would have been like year. A couple years after that, even though.
[02:55]
Joe Rogan
But when I started, you know, me and my friend Brian, when we started, we weren't even thinking it was a podcast. We, we had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs back when it was on Justin tv, which became what Jamie Twitch. So we would just be, you know, like Joey would be talking in the green room and we'd be having fun and you know, we'd just film it just for fun. And then I had a few friends that started doing Internet shows. Tom Green was the big one because Tom Green had it all set up at his house.
[03:26]
Cody Tucker
He's incredible.
[03:27]
Joe Rogan
Oh, he's the best. He's such a sweetheart too. It's like such a everything you would hope he'd be. That's who he is. Great, great guy.
[03:34]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[03:35]
Joe Rogan
And you know, like really, he forward thinker. Early on he was like, I think I could just do this from my house. Why don't I just do. But it was too early. Like this is 2007 and the Internet sucked. It wasn't ready yet. You know, no one had smartphones yet. It was like. But he was patient zero, I think. Gotcha him. And then there was this Opie and Anthony show that I used to do.
[03:57]
Cody Tucker
Oh, they were amazing.
[03:59]
Joe Rogan
They were amazing. And. But Anthony Kumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement where he would do karaoke with a green screen holding a machine gun. He was. He's nuts. He's out of his mind. And he had like beers on tap so they'd be getting hammered. He's playing video games. He's a maniac. And. And I was like, that looks like so much fun. I was like, he just has a studio that he set up in his basement.
[04:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[04:22]
Joe Rogan
And so we just started around with the most bare of equipment. It was a laptop webcam and we had like a USB mic. Yeah, we have one of them blue mics.
[04:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[04:35]
Joe Rogan
Big stupid silver ones. We have one of those 30 bucks at Walmart.
[04:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[04:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's how we started. And then it, you know, we just kept doing it. But telling people not to go to your podcast is classic. That's very fun.
[04:48]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah, that's usually my thing. Because if there are people that do watch it and I think they like it and I like those people, I'm glad those people are around. But it's not for. It's not something that should ever become popular.
[05:01]
Joe Rogan
Well, you know, there's two schools of thought today with the youngins like yourself. It's like, just get famous at any cost. Get on tick tock, share your dick on only fans, whatever you have to do or not. Right. Or that. And that you're in the that category.
[05:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I could care less about being. Having anyone know who the I am. Which. Granted, here. Yeah, here I am.
[05:25]
Joe Rogan
I know it's not odd, but that's the. But that's also why you're here, right?
[05:28]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[05:29]
Joe Rogan
It's also why your book came out today. It's like there's a synchronicity going on.
[05:34]
Cody Tucker
Something. There's.
[05:34]
Joe Rogan
Something's happening.
[05:35]
Cody Tucker
Things are crossing over that I didn't.
[05:38]
Joe Rogan
So you just. You did your podcast and in those stories that you would tell on the podcast where you would drop some crazy information, then you decided to start clipping them up.
[05:48]
Cody Tucker
Exactly. So I would end it with just like, oh, here's some like, half ass history. Which is what I called, like the segment. And then I was like, oh, here's like a half ass, half ass history segment. Just ramble about some bullshit from, like Napoleon or something.
[06:01]
Joe Rogan
I binged him today. And what Cuz, you know, was getting ready for you to come in. It's fun. No, it was fun. It was fun. You really freaked me out with the whole outlaw Josie Whales thing. Like, I loved that movie. And now I'm like, oh, no.
[06:13]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I can't watch it anymore. Oh, no, the guy who wrote the book that turned into.
[06:17]
Joe Rogan
I mean, tell the story because it's so crazy.
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Cody Tucker
So, yeah, there was a fellow named Asa Carter. So Asa Carter is this massive white supremacist. Like, he was in the KKK and then left the KKK because they weren't racist enough. He was like, y' all don't hate black people way more. Like, y' all should be hating these people way more than you should. So he made his own version, like a splinter group of the kkk. And I mean, he was Part of like he would show up to like Nat King Cole concerts, try to drag him off the stage, you know.
[06:49]
Joe Rogan
Oh my God.
[06:50]
Cody Tucker
And he became a speechwriter for George Wallace. Not the comic, but, you know, the governor of Alabama. George Wallace, who was, you know, the segregation now, segregation forever.
[07:01]
Joe Rogan
He was, as you said, a massive piece of massive in the video.
[07:05]
Cody Tucker
Horrible human being. I mean. Yeah, just an all around.
[07:09]
Joe Rogan
So he's a speech writer for that guy.
[07:11]
Cody Tucker
He helped write that speech, the segregation now, segregation forever. He was a co writer of that speech. Then things kind of fell apart from him. George Wallace was like, you're too racist for me, buddy. Like, I just don't want him to go to school with my kids. Like, I don't want them to not exist.
[07:27]
Joe Rogan
Oh my God.
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Cody Tucker
And yeah, so he moved to Florida, changed his name kind of, I think to Forest Carter, I think is what he changed his name to. And started writing books. One of them was the rebel outlaw Josie Wales, which, you know, Clint Eastwood turned into God.
[07:44]
Joe Rogan
I guess back then there was no Google. So you. A guy could do something like that, you would never know.
[07:49]
Cody Tucker
How would you know?
[07:50]
Joe Rogan
Like Stephen King had Richard Bachman. Remember?
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Cody Tucker
Exactly. They wrote Running Man. Yes, Running man is Richard and other things too. But yeah. What is it?
[08:00]
Joe Rogan
What is it? The dark half? Is that the other one that I really liked?
[08:02]
Cody Tucker
Is that Richard? Is that.
[08:04]
Joe Rogan
I don't know if that was a. I think that was a Boxman. He had a bunch of them that were great. Yeah, Cocaine works so well for him. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if there's ever a dude and I know he's clean and sober now and God bless him. And I feel terrible that the guy got hit by a van. Like the whole deal. It's crazy.
[08:22]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[08:22]
Joe Rogan
Is that the dark half? Stephen King adaptation. Oh, so what's Stephen King? It wasn't Bachman. Oh, he did another. Jesus Christ.
[08:32]
Cody Tucker
I didn't.
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Joe Rogan
That's how prolific that guy was.
[08:34]
Cody Tucker
I had no idea he had another prolific.
[08:36]
Joe Rogan
He has extra pseudonyms.
[08:37]
Cody Tucker
He had a pseudonym for a pseudonym, bro.
[08:39]
Joe Rogan
There's not a guy who has ever lived who has made more bangers.
[08:44]
C
More just follows Thad Beaumont, a writer who achieves fame. So it's about that. That's the student.
[08:51]
Cody Tucker
So. No, because if you look on the Stephen King's name on just the Google.
[08:56]
Joe Rogan
The AI getting right. But I think that's the actual. That's. Is that the trailer for the film or the poster for the film?
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Cody Tucker
A writer who cheats.
[09:04]
C
George Romero made the movie yeah.
[09:06]
Joe Rogan
Is that what that image is though? Or is that the image from the.
[09:08]
C
Book Timothy Hutton plays?
[09:09]
Joe Rogan
Right. Stark?
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C
So.
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Joe Rogan
No, no, I know that. But is that image, Is that from the book? That's the poster for the movie.
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Cody Tucker
That's the movie George A. Romero.
[09:17]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Cody Tucker
So it says Stephen King.
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Joe Rogan
That's why it says Stephen King is because they're selling it.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah. You'd have to find a picture of the book and see if like the book says. But bottom line is they all say.
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Joe Rogan
Steve, they all say, well, why would you change it now? It's like, see, even though. See if the one that he wrote is Bachmann for sure. Like, what did he write as Bachmann?
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Cody Tucker
Well, Running man was for sure Richard Bachman.
[09:38]
Joe Rogan
Okay, see if Running man says Stephen King.
[09:40]
Cody Tucker
I think Talisman, I think that was one that also he had a fake picture and everything. That's amazing.
[09:47]
Joe Rogan
That's so wild.
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Cody Tucker
I wonder who that guy is actually.
[09:50]
Joe Rogan
Richard Manuel, a builder and friend of Stephen King's literary agent. He's just a regular guy.
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Cody Tucker
Just a guy.
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Joe Rogan
Just some dude. Stephen King's like, hey bro, I'm gonna make you famous. That's kind of crazy.
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Cody Tucker
Oh, he wrote when he inspired it by Bachman, Turner Overdrive, which is amazing.
[10:10]
Joe Rogan
That's hilarious.
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Cody Tucker
Bto, one of the greatest bands of all time.
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Joe Rogan
So he did write the dark half. The surname Stark was later used in a King. Oh no. Okay, hold on. Richard Stark. Richard Stark is another one.
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Cody Tucker
No, no, no, Richard. We should be the whole Richard is a tribute to author.
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Joe Rogan
Got it.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So did he ripen as Bachman? He did.
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Cody Tucker
There should be like bibliography. I wonder.
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Joe Rogan
At the last moment he changed it to Richard Bachmann.
[10:38]
Cody Tucker
But then there was Gus Pillsbury was.
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C
A different one he was going to use.
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Joe Rogan
Oh my God, that's hilarious. At the last moment he changed it to Bachman. So Bachman was the dark half.
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Cody Tucker
If I was a porn star, my name would be Gus Pillsbury.
[10:49]
Joe Rogan
Or was it the dark half? It says thinner. Well, see, they're bringing up the dark half. So it has to be that Stark was later used a surname Stark. I don't know either way, this Stephen King, let's forget about.
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Cody Tucker
But I think Running Man, I'm pretty sure Running man is one of them.
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Joe Rogan
So he wrote so many good books that it's like I'm giving these people too many books. Let me write some under a fake name. Mom. The biggest book selling fiction guy in the world.
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Cody Tucker
It's insane. Have you ever looked at just like the first five books?
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C
Maybe that's what the Dark Half is about. It's like, about his using of a pseudonym. Maybe that's why you're thinking, oh, interesting.
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Cody Tucker
Oh, interesting. Oh, well, that makes sense. The Dark Half, that does make sense. But see, at the top it said Running Man. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay.
[11:28]
Joe Rogan
The Dark Half book is great.
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Cody Tucker
I've never read that one.
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Joe Rogan
Well, it's so funny that King was able to pull this off because how many of his fucking stories about a writer who lives in Maine? It's so crazy. The guy just picks his own state. A writer picks his profession. And then insanity ensues. You know? Like, it's all like, a writer in Maine.
[11:51]
Cody Tucker
Well. And they're all based on just things that are happening to him. Like, I can't remember which book it is that's about him, like, going through alcohol, dts. Oh, it's. I can't remember.
[12:02]
Joe Rogan
But the biography, the shiny bookography, whatever you would call it. Bibliography, Bibliography. If you look at his bibliography, it's. It's insane because it's carry so many bangers.
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Cody Tucker
Carries number one. And then it's like Carrie, Salem's Lot, the Shining, a couple other. It, like. And then Christine, which.
[12:21]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I didn't enjoy the Dark Half mov. It's like what I hate. That cliche of the book's better because it's never better because you can see the movie.
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Cody Tucker
Right.
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Joe Rogan
But they never nail it.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
It's just too hard.
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Cody Tucker
Well, the Shining kind of does because it's being done by Stanley Kubrick.
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Joe Rogan
Right. But he hated it.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, he hated it because.
[12:37]
Joe Rogan
Which is so nice. Well, he said that he thought Nicholson turned crazy right away and he wanted it to be a very gradual thing.
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Cody Tucker
You know who he wanted?
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Joe Rogan
Who?
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Cody Tucker
Robin Williams.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, my God.
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Cody Tucker
He would have nailed Robin Williams or Harrison Ford, bro.
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Joe Rogan
You ever seen Robin Williams in that 24 hour photo movie where he. Oh, that's it.
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Cody Tucker
That's. Dude, that movie is. Oh, my God.
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Joe Rogan
It's insane. He's so good in it.
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Cody Tucker
He might be one of the greatest actors of all time.
[13:03]
Joe Rogan
Like, crazy how good he is in that movie because you just really believe he's a psycho.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, because he's so lovable at first, but there's all these little signs that, like, keep this guy away from your kids.
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Joe Rogan
There's layers. Yeah, there's layers to that story.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's a. That's such a great movie.
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Joe Rogan
He was a bummer when he died, man. That one bummed me out.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah. I've only cried a couple times when, like, a Famous person died. That's one of them. I, like, broke down. Heath Ledger and Steve Irwin were the others.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, that was a bummer.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, Steve Irwin, especially.
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Joe Rogan
Chadwick Boseman from.
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C
Black Panther.
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Joe Rogan
Black Panther.
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Cody Tucker
And what else is he, 42, played Jackie Robinson, the.
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Joe Rogan
The heartbreaking one. There's an interview with him where he's talking to that woman and he says, I'm already dead. And she doesn't know what he's saying because he didn't tell anybody. The dude went through the mill. He was filming the movie while he.
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Cody Tucker
Was battling cancer, while everyone was making fun of him for looking skinny and creepy looking.
[14:01]
Joe Rogan
It's like crazy.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, crazy. Which it is kind of like gangster way to go. It is.
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Joe Rogan
So did Norm MacDonald. He did the same thing. Norm MacDonald didn't tell anybody that he had cancer. Just went up to Canada and died. He is battling it for years. He told no one.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, you could kind of. It's one of those things that you can tell when you look back. Like when you look back and watch, like, episodes of, like, his show, you know, Norm's show, and you're like, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, I know. You see the puffiness and the drowned eyes. His eyes. Looks very tired.
[14:33]
Cody Tucker
That. That, to me, that's the funniest human being of all time.
[14:36]
Joe Rogan
He's one of the all time greats.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, for sure. So I'm sure you met him quite a bit, I would imagine.
[14:41]
Joe Rogan
Accidentally sat next to him twice on airplanes.
[14:45]
Cody Tucker
Totally accidentally person.
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Joe Rogan
And we were already friends.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So it was super cool. Like, I knew him from the clubs and I knew him from being around and. And my good friend Adam was a good friend of his. He used to do that show that they did together. Yeah, yeah. Adam Ego.
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Cody Tucker
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Who's the talent coordinator at the mothership.
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Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[15:03]
Joe Rogan
So I'd known Norm forever, and then one time I was flying back from somewhere and I sit down and then Norm plops right next to him like.
[15:11]
Cody Tucker
Dude, like, what are they on?
[15:13]
Joe Rogan
And then we're having the most fun. It was the most fun. The second time was even crazier because Norm sits down next to me. We're having a great time.
[15:20]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[15:21]
Joe Rogan
Just laughing and he's so fun. We're talking all kinds of crazy shit.
[15:25]
Cody Tucker
And.
[15:25]
Joe Rogan
And he tells me, yeah, I quit smoking. And fucking hard to do, man, but I quit. I feel so much better. I'm so glad I did him. It's so bad for you. I go, yeah, good for you, dude. Fuck those cigarettes, right? So we land and he walks Straight into the store and buys a pack of cigarettes and is literally lighting it before he gets out the door. And I go, what are you doing? I thought you quit. And he goes, yeah, but all that talking about cigarettes made me want one.
[15:57]
Cody Tucker
I mean, he did quit for a little bit. And then I know a lot of.
[16:03]
Joe Rogan
People have quit, and a lot of people. I mean, they keep pointing to, like. It's like everyone's playing Russian roulette with fucking lung cancer. It's so crazy. You're playing, right? Like, 80% of people don't even get cancer, bro.
[16:17]
Cody Tucker
Which. I'll take those off. I mean, look, I'll tell you, smoking just looks so cool.
[16:22]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[16:22]
Cody Tucker
Smoking cigarettes. Like, God, I smoke cigarettes, which I need to not do that, But, God, it does feel cool.
[16:30]
Joe Rogan
It's also. There's an. I don't even give a. About my health. I'm out here thinking, well, I don't.
[16:36]
Cody Tucker
Have to be smoking a cigarette for people to realize nobody's looking at me, like, Jesus.
[16:42]
Joe Rogan
But that's like accelerating your demise. Like, purposely accelerating your demise for a. A head rush, which is. I. I had to do this thing once, but buddy of mine had this sketch show, and they had this sketch that they were. They were putting together this idea, and he asked me to be, like, this troubled poet guy, and I said, okay, what do you think I should do? He goes, I really think you should be, like, smoking cigarettes. He should be like, this guy just smoking cigarettes and talk. And I'm like, okay, okay, okay.
[17:13]
Cody Tucker
That's right. Yeah.
[17:13]
Joe Rogan
So I never smoked before, and that day I probably smoked, like, 15 cigarettes. I felt like dog. Oh, my God, my hands were shaking. And my friend Adam Ferrara, who's a comedian, who's doing this with me, he smoked, and he gave me some. His cigarettes and everything. How do you do this? How are you doing this to yourself every day? This is so crazy.
[17:35]
Cody Tucker
In what time span do you think? The 15, 6, I guess.
[17:39]
Joe Rogan
We're doing it all throughout the day, so it was probably four or five hours.
[17:43]
Cody Tucker
It's quite a bit. I mean, even for, like, a. Because I don't smoke. Like, I'm not like a pack a day or something like that.
[17:48]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's good.
[17:49]
Cody Tucker
Probably a pack every three days, so.
[17:52]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's not too bad. But it's still terrible.
[17:54]
Cody Tucker
It's still not good. I mean, I try to justify it in my head, I'm like, yeah, but I don't.
[17:58]
Joe Rogan
I'm not really doing right before I go on stage. I really do. It's you smoke a cigarette. Nicotine thing. Yeah.
[18:05]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[18:05]
Joe Rogan
It's like you can get nicotine from a. But it's the delivery methods that's. That's different. Like, there's something about smoking. And cigars is similar too. Smoking the nicotine, it's a very different thing than, like, nicotine pouches. I've never done the gum, but there's a benefit to nicotine. It's just the delivery method. That's what's terrible for you.
[18:28]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I don't think nicotine's ever really been proven to just be horrible for you.
[18:32]
Joe Rogan
It actually is neuroprotective, which, like, I love saying those words because I don't really know what the fuck I'm saying, but it sounds like you're smart.
[18:40]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[18:41]
Joe Rogan
You know Jillian Michaels in here the other day, and she was talking about it, and she chews gum and, you know people, are you trying to quit smoking? She's like, no, it's actually good for you. Like, but most people aren't aware of that. They just think of cigarette smoking equals cancer equals nicotine equals you're doing something bad.
[18:58]
Cody Tucker
Well, because the nicotine obviously gets you partly addicted and then. Yeah, makes you smoke more cigarettes, which is horrible. Yes, they do. There is, like, almost. There's kind of like some blame you could put towards nicotine. In that sense.
[19:10]
Joe Rogan
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[20:38]
Cody Tucker
Well, right. That's the. The issue is that if they would take all that out, they wouldn't. I mean, obviously so bad. You shouldn't be breathing smoke.
[20:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's like, that's natural spirits. Right?
[20:46]
Cody Tucker
Those are American spirits.
[20:49]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but did you ever see that Russell Crowe movie the Insider where he.
[20:53]
Cody Tucker
Plays the scientist Jeffrey Wigand?
[20:56]
Joe Rogan
Is that who the character was that he was playing?
[20:58]
Cody Tucker
That's who he's playing is Jeffrey Wygan. Yeah. That's a cool.
[21:02]
Joe Rogan
That is so crazy that they did.
[21:03]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That makes you so mad when you watch. You're like, you knew. Yeah.
[21:07]
Joe Rogan
And like you knew and you tricked people by making it more addictive, like with chemicals.
[21:13]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Look how much.
[21:14]
Joe Rogan
That's crazy.
[21:15]
Cody Tucker
Look how much sugars and food.
[21:17]
Joe Rogan
But here's my. Why is it okay to do that with cigarettes? But they would never be okay to do that with cheeseburgers. If we found out that McDonald's is putting fentanyl in the cheeseburgers, it made you come back and eat more cheeseburgers there. We'd be like, no way. That's crazy. You're making him more addictive. That's crazy. You can't do that.
[21:32]
Cody Tucker
The sugar that's in it does the same thing. Sort of. I mean, kind of.
[21:37]
Joe Rogan
Sort of. Yeah. I would say it does, but it doesn't. I'm sorry. Killing you. Well, kind of.
[21:45]
Cody Tucker
I don't know.
[21:47]
Joe Rogan
It kind of can. It kind of can. It's like very low dose poison, you know, essentially, like, if you have a very good diet and you occasionally have a Quarter Pounder, you're gonna live. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a low do. Poison. Your body can filter out most that stuff. The real problem seems to be when it becomes the primary focus of what you eat. Could you just.
[22:08]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[22:09]
Joe Rogan
Get in a bunch of inflammation causing that your body doesn't know how to get rid of. Your body's like, what is this you're feeding me?
[22:17]
Cody Tucker
Oh, God, it feels so good.
[22:18]
Joe Rogan
So good.
[22:19]
Cody Tucker
Jesus. I mean, in the moment, it is. Oh, that's heaven on earth.
[22:24]
Joe Rogan
I had a Quarter Pounder once a couple years ago, and I haven't had one. If I do go to McDonald's, I always eat filet of fishes. I Love those.
[22:31]
Cody Tucker
You do.
[22:33]
Joe Rogan
They're so good.
[22:35]
Cody Tucker
That's weird, man.
[22:36]
Joe Rogan
No, because I can't lie to myself and pretend that's a cheeseburger.
[22:40]
Cody Tucker
You know, like, you can lie and say that that's fish. Yes, yes.
[22:44]
Joe Rogan
It's a thing. It's. Whatever it is. It's a sweet bun and a delicious, salty fish like thing in the center with that tartar sauce. It's just yummy. I'm not trying.
[22:54]
Cody Tucker
You don't have to justify it to me.
[22:56]
Joe Rogan
I mean, I don't particularly like the taste of, like, those kind of burgers. I like a good smash burger or like an in and out burger.
[23:05]
Cody Tucker
I'm with you in five, guys. In and out.
[23:07]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[23:08]
Cody Tucker
Top of the line. Top of, like, fast food.
[23:10]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. You can't go wrong, man. It's the Chick Fil a. Burgers can't go wrong. Like in and out burgers are. If you don't like them, I don't like you. How about that?
[23:17]
Cody Tucker
Do you like Whataburger?
[23:19]
Joe Rogan
It's okay.
[23:19]
Cody Tucker
It's horrible.
[23:20]
Joe Rogan
It's not. People want to compare it to in and out. Like Texas. People get crazy. Like, you're getting crazy crazy. This is how we had a civil war. Like, you gotta look at.
[23:28]
Cody Tucker
Look at things realistically now in that war, I'm taking the Whataburger people over the Internet for sure.
[23:33]
Joe Rogan
100. The in and out people are not armed.
[23:36]
Cody Tucker
No. Those Whataburger bubbas are coming to.
[23:39]
Joe Rogan
I mean, they started in the wrong state for guns.
[23:42]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[23:44]
Joe Rogan
That'S the state that's telling people that if someone breaks into your house, you. You should flee. You shouldn't tell them to get out.
[23:51]
Cody Tucker
Get out of your own house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his name.
[23:54]
Joe Rogan
You should gather up your child and run up the hill behind your house and flee and hope they don't shoot you in the back.
[23:59]
Cody Tucker
Well, that's. That's a good idea.
[24:02]
Joe Rogan
It's like you can't. It's like that piece of shit speechwriter like Asa Carter. Yeah. There's gonna be nutty on both sides.
[24:12]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[24:12]
Joe Rogan
There's gonna be nutty on the left and nutty on the right. And it's up to us, which is like most people are just reasonable. Reasonable in the center. Live and let live. If you had, like, an ethic for this country, what are we about? We're supposed to be about freedom. Live and let live. But the problem is the people on the far crazy screaming left and the people on the far crazy screaming right are all fucking losers. And those fucking losers make you be connected with them. And all their stupidity and poisons all, all the ideas that they agree with.
[24:54]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[24:54]
Joe Rogan
On both sides.
[24:55]
Cody Tucker
And they're so much louder. So you think there's more of them when in reality it's like what, 5% probably of each side.
[25:02]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
[25:02]
Cody Tucker
And then the other.
[25:03]
Joe Rogan
I don't even think it's 5%. They're just the ones that are online all day long. And then on top of that, you get a bunch of people who are paid to do it. So it's like, oh my God, when you see tweets, like people get busted all the time now these air quotes, influencers, they'll tweet something and then you'll see like 30 versions of the same. Same tweet with the same wording.
[25:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah.
[25:26]
Joe Rogan
Like, what is going on?
[25:28]
Cody Tucker
That's hilarious.
[25:28]
Joe Rogan
Like for now, forever. I'll never listen to you again.
[25:32]
Cody Tucker
That's amazing. And yeah, on both sides. That's so funny.
[25:35]
Joe Rogan
It's not a left wing thing. It's not a right wing thing. I see it with everything. It's like there's like large scale manipulation going on. That's like really nuts to see. I like about that Reddit dead Internet thing.
[25:49]
Cody Tucker
Red dead.
[25:50]
Joe Rogan
Did you see Jamie? Do you know about this? Like there's. I believe it's might be a lawsuit. So this company used a bunch of chat bots. I believe it was on red. I just sent it to someone. I'll find it if you can't find it. But I think I forget what the argument was about. But essentially they're getting in trouble for facilitating these fake arguments, like as an experiment.
[26:15]
Cody Tucker
Oh, which is if that's wild for sure.
[26:19]
Joe Rogan
Countries are doing that. Reddit threatens to sue researchers who ran a dead Internet AI experiment on its site. Deeply raw on a both moral and legal level.
[26:30]
Cody Tucker
Well, that's not good.
[26:31]
Joe Rogan
So this is what they did. Change my view is the subreddit long been a contentious place for Reddit users to post an opinion and understand other people's perspectives. Forum filled with fiery but largely civil debates covering everything from the role political activism to the dangers of social media and echo chambers. Okay. Lately though, not every user posting on the forum has been a real human. As 404Media reported this week, University of Zurich researchers dispatched an army of. Boy. Zurich. That's not a good place to do it from guys you shouldn't be involved in.
[27:06]
Cody Tucker
No.
[27:07]
Joe Rogan
The sketchy.
[27:08]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[27:09]
Joe Rogan
Research dispatched an army of AI chatbots to debate human use on the subreddit. In a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds. The optics were horrendous, with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault and a black man who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement. Worse yet, the AI models scoured the post history of users they were applying to in order to be as convincing as possible. Basically, a formalized trial run of the Dead Internet theory that much of the Internet is already AI generated. You know about that theory, huh? The AI Dead Internet theory. So the idea is that AI becomes sentient and completely fakes the Internet.
[27:58]
Cody Tucker
Fakes the Internet, Yeah.
[27:59]
Joe Rogan
Pull it up, Jamie.
[28:00]
C
Like, I don't know if explained it.
[28:02]
Joe Rogan
In that article, but there was a link in that article under. When it got to Dead Internet theory. There was actually a link. It was right there. Where is it? Scroll down a little bit. No, it didn't have a link. The link was actually about it passing the Turing Test. Which is it already?
[28:20]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[28:20]
Joe Rogan
Which is.
[28:21]
C
Goes back to 2016.
[28:22]
Cody Tucker
Oh, did the Internet die in 2016?
[28:24]
Joe Rogan
There's an online community. I think so. There's a lot of kooks, like people with schizophrenia that get things right.
[28:30]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That is kind of the problem is they're not always wrong.
[28:33]
Joe Rogan
Well, eventually they're right. Like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabombered. You know that guy, his whole thing was that technology was going to overtake the human race.
[28:44]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[28:45]
Joe Rogan
And I think he's right.
[28:47]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. You know, he wasn't necessarily wrong. He was just wrong to be blowing people up.
[28:51]
Joe Rogan
Oh, well, he was.
[28:52]
Cody Tucker
That's the really fucked up. Did you ever see the Netflix stuff?
[28:56]
Joe Rogan
Did you see the Netflix documentary when they go over his life when he was a baby, when they left him in the crib?
[29:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[29:02]
Joe Rogan
And he never got touched for like months.
[29:04]
Cody Tucker
Which immediately permanent damage. You're screwed.
[29:08]
Joe Rogan
You can't fix that.
[29:09]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Until you get those wide eyes, you know? Or that's how you tell someone's crazy.
[29:12]
Joe Rogan
He gets in the Harvard LSD studies where they humiliate him while he's on acid.
[29:17]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. Because he was part of the MK Ultra. Like, he had the professor that was like recruiting impressionable but highly intelligent young men. And how crazy is that program? MKUltra is wild.
[29:30]
Joe Rogan
Wow.
[29:30]
Cody Tucker
That's the. That is one of the most interesting. The CIA in general. I mean, just like this is a rabbit hole of just the craziest things I've ever seen. But like all the Manson stuff, which I'm obsessed with Charles Manson. So all that Stuff is.
[29:43]
Joe Rogan
Oh, the Manson stuff's crazy. The CIA stuff's not even a rabbit hole. It's like one of them labyrinths that they find in Turkey. Like, 2, 000 people could live underground. You're like, who built this? What the is this?
[29:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, like the.
[29:55]
Joe Rogan
How long has this been going on?
[29:56]
Cody Tucker
Like the French catacombs, where it's just, like, people get, like, lost every day and all that.
[30:00]
Joe Rogan
If you go down the CIA rabbit hole, you'll find a city, like a civilization. And then you have to think, okay, but also, Russia has the same sort of operation going for Russia.
[30:13]
Cody Tucker
Right, Right.
[30:14]
Joe Rogan
Every country has them.
[30:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Everybody has the CIA, kgb. I mean, so they have to exist.
[30:20]
Joe Rogan
Let's all get rid of CIA. And then what? We get taken over completely by Russia and China? It's like, slow down, everybody.
[30:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[30:27]
Joe Rogan
Like, there's a nutty AI war going on right in front of you. Just haven't heard the bombs go off yet.
[30:33]
Cody Tucker
Right?
[30:34]
Joe Rogan
It's happening right now.
[30:36]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[30:36]
Joe Rogan
And if they pulled that off from the University of Zurich, which is kind of creepy, that a university would, like, do that. Pretend to be a, you know, a black guy who's against the Black Lives Matter movement and a woman who survived a sexual assault. You're just making it up with AI chat pots, like, fucking wild. And just to see how people react. What the fuck do you think is gonna happen?
[31:01]
Cody Tucker
Or find somebody who actually is one of those people and then see how people react. If that's what I wanted to do. Like, you don't have to pretend to be one. There are sure lots of people who. Yeah, you probably just volunteer and you could have a whole study control group, you know, have the whole thing.
[31:15]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. You don't have to do it anonymously on the Internet under false pretenses. Like you wouldn't have to do unless.
[31:20]
Cody Tucker
You just wanted to have fun. I mean, I guess that's their.
[31:22]
Joe Rogan
But the problem is, anytime you're doing a study with real people, they know they're in a study.
[31:29]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, what's that? There's a law, like a. Where, like, you can't. Something about being observed, like, ruins the thing, whatever. Like, it's part of, like, the. I don't know. I suck at science, but I think there's something.
[31:41]
Joe Rogan
Well, I don't even know if that's science. I'm just talking about, like, humans. Like, if people know they're being Right. Watched as a part of a study.
[31:49]
Cody Tucker
You behave completely differently. Yeah.
[31:51]
Joe Rogan
You're going to influence their behavior.
[31:53]
Cody Tucker
Well, it's Just like, if you get asked a question to be part of a survey, you're not answering that thing accurately, even if it's anonymous.
[31:58]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[31:59]
Cody Tucker
Just because you know that, like, your answer is going to be. Make you look maybe a little bit bad. You'll. You'll church up your answer a little. Maybe not outright lie, but if it asks you, how many drinks do you have a week, you're not telling them the exact. You're not counting them up. You're going six to eight. Sounds about right.
[32:15]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. This uncertainty is why I think we're super vulnerable.
[32:19]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[32:20]
Joe Rogan
Because this uncertainty is why we're all going to be very vulnerable. Excuse me.
[32:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[32:28]
Joe Rogan
Sorry. We're going to be really vulnerable to any sort of electronic bridge that they start using, like whether it's a wearable or an implant that lets you legitimately read minds, which I think. I fucking think is in our lifetime.
[32:47]
Cody Tucker
God, I hope not.
[32:48]
Joe Rogan
It's so scary, dude, because we'll give it up to know the truth. People will give it up to know the truth.
[32:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[32:54]
Joe Rogan
I mean, think about what you. How much of your data you give just so that you can Google things. Like, think of how much. How much money they make off of your data and giving out your email address and all the spam texts that you get every day, all the chaos. You gave that up.
[33:12]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[33:12]
Joe Rogan
Just for free Internet. Just for free Google.
[33:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I give it up. I don't give a damn. I just give it all.
[33:18]
Joe Rogan
Everybody does. But imagine, like, what Google would cost, like, if Google was a pay thing, and the only way you could ever know anything about what's going on in the world, you have to search it. Every search engine costs money, right? It's like, whoa. But instead you get this free value. But wouldn't you rather not pay? Of course. But what if you paid for it and then they couldn't use any of your data ever, and it was a totally, like, honest relationship and you're not allowed to curate the information either.
[33:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[33:46]
Joe Rogan
You just have to put out the information as it exists online.
[33:50]
Cody Tucker
Right?
[33:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. We gave up privacy. We gave up our data and we didn't even think about it. We didn't even know it was a thing that we're giving up. And then we're gonna give up sentience. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna fucking be connected to the hive mind. Yeah, I really think so.
[34:06]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Because it's weird, like, with the, you know, online, like, data privacy, like, you don't really know what it is that you're giving up?
[34:14]
Joe Rogan
Up.
[34:14]
Cody Tucker
It's not like normal privacy where, like, if somebody asks, like, hey, can I take a picture of your driver's license? You'd say, no. What are you talking about? No, you can't.
[34:22]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[34:22]
Cody Tucker
But they can get the majority of that information through, you know, they can track, you know, get your address, get your way. They can find out even more information about you through giving up, like your. Your privacy. Like data privacy. Yeah, but we don't, like, know we don't have, like, a list of what they're getting. I mean, I guess you do if you read that whole. Whole damn thing, but who's reading that? Like, right. Privacy terms.
[34:43]
Joe Rogan
Nobody reads that. Somebody told me there was something that we might have to edit this out if it's not true. But somebody told me there's something up about Google's terms and whatever terms apply there with the thing that you have to agree to, that it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation.
[35:04]
Cody Tucker
Mediation?
[35:05]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, like in case of some sort of a dispute, a legal dispute, you. You've agreed to mediation in the. So you're not going to sue them.
[35:11]
Cody Tucker
So you can't really. Yeah. Like whenever you get hired at a new job, they have those kinds of, like, clauses. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's so weird.
[35:20]
Joe Rogan
If it's true.
[35:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[35:22]
Joe Rogan
Well, we need to find out if it's true because somebody was telling. Telling it to me and I was like, wait, what? That sounds insane.
[35:32]
C
I type that in, what pops up?
[35:35]
Joe Rogan
Acceptance required by applicable law. Mediation is voluntary, and neither you nor Google are obligated to settle disputes through mediation.
[35:45]
Cody Tucker
What the hell does that mean?
[35:47]
C
I don't know the context in which you were told it, because this is like for.
[35:50]
Joe Rogan
But this is. I said Uber.
[35:52]
C
I think you said Google.
[35:53]
Cody Tucker
I thought.
[35:53]
Joe Rogan
No, no, no, no.
[35:54]
Cody Tucker
Google too.
[35:54]
Joe Rogan
Oh, I'm sorry. Uber.
[35:56]
Cody Tucker
Oh, okay. Okay.
[35:57]
Joe Rogan
Uber. I'm sorry, I was. I probably mumbled Uber. Okay. Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court. This arbitration is individual and non consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit. Uber also limits its liability and states that drivers are independent contractors, not employees. If you have a dispute, you could try to resolve it through mediation, but it may ultimately be resolved through arbitration.
[36:32]
Cody Tucker
That's. That's wild. Jesus.
[36:35]
Joe Rogan
That's kind of wild. It's like we have our own rules.
[36:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[36:38]
Joe Rogan
Our laws. No, no, forget about the laws of the land. Now you agree to a legal Contract. That's, like, very sneaky.
[36:44]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[36:44]
Joe Rogan
Because if there's, like, laws. If we have laws to prevent fraud and laws to prevent negligence, we have those for companies. And you're a company, like. No, we're not. Yeah, we're not even a company. Those people, they're independent contract.
[36:55]
Cody Tucker
Right, right.
[36:55]
Joe Rogan
Oh, you have no liability at all. And you make all the money. What a great deal. Who did you pay? Who did you. Who did you pay off to get that sweetheart of a deal? Yeah.
[37:04]
Cody Tucker
And also, how many people know what arbitration is? Because, I'll be honest, I don't know what it is. I was just kind of going with it.
[37:10]
Joe Rogan
Sounds scary if you got to go through arbitration. I don't want to do that.
[37:13]
Cody Tucker
Arbitration is.
[37:14]
Joe Rogan
Let's find out.
[37:15]
Cody Tucker
Agreed with everybody.
[37:16]
Joe Rogan
Well, I think what. Essentially they're saying that you have to have a conversation with them outside of, like, a judge and jury ruling. You know what I mean? Like, we have to have some sort of mediation. I think that's what they're saying. I could be wrong.
[37:29]
Cody Tucker
Well, if that is. Yeah. I'm sure that's in your best interest.
[37:33]
Joe Rogan
That's nice.
[37:34]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's wild.
[37:36]
Joe Rogan
The thing about Uber is if they're just private contractors, then it becomes like, okay, what is your responsibility to screen these private contractors? Because some of these people might be psychos. And, you know, you're a woman, and you get in the car with someone who hasn't, they're a psycho that's wondering.
[37:55]
C
If this has to do with where.
[37:56]
Cody Tucker
It'S based as a company.
[37:58]
Joe Rogan
Where is it based? On the moon.
[38:02]
C
About the laws of the Netherlands.
[38:04]
Joe Rogan
The Netherlands. That would be a good move. You got to start somewhere where the, you know, the Nazis rolled through with tanks.
[38:11]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's either that or Luxembourg. Whichever one you want.
[38:13]
Joe Rogan
Did the Nazis get to Netherlands?
[38:16]
Cody Tucker
It keeps talking about Amsterdam and Frank. Amsterdam.
[38:20]
C
Vienna Convention.
[38:21]
Joe Rogan
That's right.
[38:22]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah.
[38:23]
Joe Rogan
Vienna Convention on the international sale of goods shall not apply. Okay. Except as was set forth in these terms, these terms shall be exclusively governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws. Excluding its rules on conflicts of laws. What does that mean?
[38:46]
Cody Tucker
I don't.
[38:46]
Joe Rogan
That's a weird thing to say.
[38:47]
Cody Tucker
This may as well be Portuguese.
[38:49]
Joe Rogan
As far as in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
[38:55]
C
I have an idea. Copy and paste this in. Like Rock or Chat.
[38:59]
Joe Rogan
Oh, no, no. We're going down so many rabbit holes.
[39:02]
C
Explain this to an American, please.
[39:04]
Joe Rogan
Kids, use Uber. So much, man, that like a small percentage comparative to the past of kids are getting the driver's license. Substances.
[39:13]
Cody Tucker
Good.
[39:15]
Joe Rogan
You're probably right.
[39:16]
Cody Tucker
Perfectly fine with that.
[39:19]
Joe Rogan
God. Is Grok your favorite to use? What do you like?
[39:23]
C
You have to go. I honestly think you have to test them all. When you're asking a question you really want the answer to, it's very responsive. Varying responses. I had. I had a chat. GPT lie to me yesterday four times in a row.
[39:36]
Joe Rogan
Look how quick this is. Let me break this down for.
[39:38]
Cody Tucker
Isn't it wild?
[39:39]
Joe Rogan
An American audience in plain language.
[39:41]
Cody Tucker
It's insane.
[39:42]
Joe Rogan
This selection of a contrast explains. See, this is what I'm saying. Like if it's already happened.
[39:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, if.
[39:47]
Joe Rogan
If AI has already taken over. We've already agreed by the timing of your book, the synchronicity is real. And that maybe the simulation is real. And then if. If it's going to be simulated, it's not going to be simulated by a bunch of people. It's going to be simulated by artificial intelligence.
[40:01]
Cody Tucker
There'd be way more mistakes if it was people.
[40:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Dutch law applies. The contract governed by the laws of the Netherlands, not US Law. This means Dutch legal principles will guide how the contract is interpreted. Except for conflicts of laws. Rules which deal with choosing which country's laws apply. Oh, that's what it is. Also an international treaty called the Vienna Convention, which covers sales of goods, doesn't apply here. So essentially they're saying, like, we go by the Netherlands laws. If you have different laws in the United States, go pound sand. Those don't matter. This is in the. This is in the Netherlands. Your. Your lawsuits here.
[40:37]
C
It also depends on what happened. Like if you. If it's a speed limit thing, you go by the rules of the speed limit. But if it's something about, you know, interpersonal. The driver and the incident.
[40:46]
Joe Rogan
Don't you think that if you do business in a particular country, you'd have to follow the laws of that country? Doesn't that just.
[40:53]
Cody Tucker
You would think.
[40:54]
Joe Rogan
I mean, I'm not even trying to be unreasonable here. Maybe they're better in the Netherlands. Maybe they're more fair. I don't know. It's not even like a value judgment. I don't know. Maybe they are. Maybe they just want the best for their. Their customers.
[41:05]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[41:05]
Joe Rogan
So they say, you know, what if they really want to sue the fuck out of us and when really should do it in the Netherlands, maybe.
[41:11]
Cody Tucker
Isn't it Hague? The Hague is in the Netherlands, right? Is it with the world like what do you call it? Crimes against humanity, like war crimes is all in the Hague. Yeah, I don't know if that means anything.
[41:24]
Joe Rogan
I don't know if it means anything either. But I would imagine if you're doing business in China, you're not allowed to say, yeah, but US Rules only. We only got. So if you want to sue us, sue us in Alabama. Yeah, they'd be like, you, we'll see you right here.
[41:38]
Cody Tucker
Sit your ass down in our place.
[41:41]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you're doing business in China. You get sued in China, you should always.
[41:45]
Cody Tucker
No matter what, wherever you are, you got to follow those laws. I mean, how would that seem super reasonable? Seems like. It seems like you shouldn't be able.
[41:53]
Joe Rogan
To avoid that by, like, setting up shop in some dictatorship somewhere. You know, like your homies with some guy who's a dictator and you're like, bro, you want to make some money together?
[42:05]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[42:05]
Joe Rogan
Just incorporate in your country. Let's. Let's raise some cash.
[42:11]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[42:12]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, It's. It's all very weird. It's very weird. It's. But the, the driverless car thing might be even weirder because that's a solution out of it. Like, man, I don't trust these Uber drivers. They're sketchy, man. Good. Get in one of those robot cars. Yeah. Get one of those way mos where you can't even bribe it. Okay. The government's trying to get you and you're. They're. They have a set. You go, bro, change of plans. This is what I want you to do. I'm going to give you $500. You're going to drive me to Ohio. You know what I mean? Like, you could do that. Like, if the government's after you and you're in a Uber drive and the guy's cool, you go, listen, dude, I'm going to make this worth your while. It's a four hour drive, four hours back.
[42:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. How do you do that to a.
[42:58]
Joe Rogan
You don't. You don't. They get you. They shut the car off you, they lock the doors you.
[43:03]
C
And you're locked into the Uber contract problem.
[43:05]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Waymo's partner with Uber.
[43:07]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I know, because I just. I was gonna get in one yesterday. I was like, I would. I haven't been Austin in a long time. Like, I used to come down here a lot, like in high school or whatever, you know, sneak into bars and whatnot. And I saw these waymos, like, what the hell is this thing? I've never heard of this. Didn't know this existed. And I see it, like, driving around, nobody driving, like, weird. I do not like, like this at all. But immediately downloaded the Uber and Waymo app because I was like, well, let me just get one to take me up to like 6th street or something.
[43:34]
Joe Rogan
Did you get in?
[43:35]
Cody Tucker
No, no, no. I chickened out. I just don't think. Because what if it just doesn't want to take me there? Like, what if something happens where he's like, you know what I would like to do? Take you down 35 at about 90 miles an hour in the wrong lane.
[43:48]
Joe Rogan
You know, what if my front camera goes out and I can't see what's in front of me and I just start plowing into other cars? Like, I'm not saying that that's gonna happen or whatever will happen. I'm sure there's a bunch of backup cameras, don't get me wrong. But it just sketches me out. Although I do think it's inevitable.
[44:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I looked it up. There's only been one fatality involving one. And it wasn't even their fault. It was a driverless one where someone rear ended the Waymo. Like, you know, sounds like.
[44:12]
Joe Rogan
Well, they seem pretty safe, like, in terms of like the way they drive too. They drive real slow and steady and they're easy to avoid.
[44:19]
Cody Tucker
I can see taking one, like, if you're just going around like a neighborhood or something, you know, you just like, you never going to buy above 30 miles an hour getting on like the interstate in one of these things.
[44:28]
Joe Rogan
Imagine if you could show this to Ted Kaczynski. Get him away from me.
[44:32]
Cody Tucker
He's like, I was right.
[44:34]
Joe Rogan
I was right.
[44:34]
Cody Tucker
They're coming to get us.
[44:37]
Joe Rogan
We are. We are allowing them to come to get us. We're paying for them. We're psyched. Like, whoa, this is cool. I'm guilty of it. I have a Tesla that does. It does auto driving. You go, yeah, you turn this button on and it stops at stop signs, hits its blinkers, goes around stuff. It's crazy.
[44:54]
Cody Tucker
Do you use it?
[44:55]
Joe Rogan
Very rarely.
[44:56]
Cody Tucker
Okay.
[44:56]
Joe Rogan
It weirds me out, but I do sometimes.
[44:58]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[44:58]
Joe Rogan
I mean, I've done it. Like, I've have it driven me home three or four times. Just like, just like, this is crazy. Just because it's weird, you know, But I'm always. My hands are close, you know, I'm never like looking at my phone or anything like that. That's crazy.
[45:11]
Cody Tucker
I would trust that, like, if, you know, just sitting in there and like kind of you could take control if you. If need be.
[45:17]
Joe Rogan
But that's the bridge, bro.
[45:19]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's the bridge.
[45:21]
Joe Rogan
That's the bridge to transhumanism.
[45:23]
Cody Tucker
I think we all need to stay in our separate. No bridges.
[45:27]
Joe Rogan
I agree. But I think we're going. I think we are the last of these kind of people. And then the people from now on will be like, personally like physically integrated with some kind of electronics.
[45:38]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I don't like that one. Bit too much of an acoustic type fella. I can't be.
[45:44]
Joe Rogan
I think there's so much wild genetic stuff going on right now that they're going to change what it means to be a person within our lifetime. Like there's some. There was a thing in China. See if you could find this. Do you know what a tardigrade is?
[46:00]
Cody Tucker
No.
[46:00]
Joe Rogan
Tardigrades are these really weird little almost insect looking things that are unbelievably durable. They're tiny, microscopic little fuckers.
[46:10]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, they call them like something bears.
[46:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they call them? What kind of bears?
[46:14]
Cody Tucker
Little water bear. Water bear.
[46:17]
Joe Rogan
So these little fuckers can survive forever in space for whatever reason. They go into like hibernation in space, like and they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander that are actually on the moon. They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're like in a suspended state of animation and that if you brought them back the United States, they'd kick back in and be alive again. That's how crazy these little fuckers are. So there was this Chinese experiment where they're integrating tardigrade DNA into human DNA.
[46:50]
Cody Tucker
That's a good idea. There's nothing that could ever go wrong with doing that.
[46:55]
Joe Rogan
But what happens if someone develops like a bulletproof immortal human that lives like literally lives forever Unless it gets hit with a meteor. Like that's not outside of what's possible, man. No, they developed or they were developing some kind. See if you could find that first before I make you google this. But they were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk.
[47:23]
Cody Tucker
So they were gonna make sense like.
[47:24]
Joe Rogan
Kevlar's spider silk, but your own skin. Like with gene splicing.
[47:32]
Cody Tucker
I don't like that. The gene editing freaks me out. Splice like that movie. I don't know if you ever saw that with Adrian.
[47:36]
Joe Rogan
I did. Oh, that was crazy.
[47:38]
Cody Tucker
Is a great movie. But like just seeing only I'm like, yeah, that's what my mind immediately goes to is him banging this thing with it.
[47:45]
Joe Rogan
Alien things. Yeah, that thing was sick. Yeah, it was a kind of a goofy movie.
[47:50]
Cody Tucker
Oh yeah.
[47:51]
Joe Rogan
It wasn't like, like, wow, I would really believe that was happening.
[47:54]
Cody Tucker
No, it's Schindler's List or something. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of goofy.
[47:58]
Joe Rogan
But it was fun. And it was just very strange, you know that, like, because you go, okay. I could kind of see that happening for sure.
[48:06]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's kind of what a lot of that is. I just. What was that? Crispr. You remember that thing was kind of. That was a talking point.
[48:13]
Joe Rogan
Well, they have CRISPR too now, which is even more effective. Apparently.
[48:16]
C
This is made by an artist.
[48:18]
Joe Rogan
Bulletproof skin is made of goat. No, this isn't it. No, there was. What's that?
[48:23]
C
Lab grown skin, reinforced spider silk and stop bullets. But when you go to what it actually is.
[48:29]
Joe Rogan
Oh, so it's bullshit.
[48:30]
C
It's not bullshit, but it's just, you know, it's someone sort of explaining things differently.
[48:35]
Cody Tucker
I mean, I thought there was a.
[48:37]
Joe Rogan
It was a study about human skin.
[48:43]
C
That's what I think that they were trying to say.
[48:44]
Joe Rogan
Oh, so it's a bullshit headline in this story. That it is.
[48:47]
C
And this is back from 2018 is when this one.
[48:49]
Joe Rogan
Did you find anything in the tardigrade thing?
[48:51]
C
Yeah, and it had. They were explaining what it did. So there's. It showed that there was a clean transfer. New cells function normally, but also demonstrated.
[49:03]
Joe Rogan
Increased rate of cell growth.
[49:05]
C
They're trying to make them immune to radiation is what the idea was.
[49:10]
Joe Rogan
They're making super people, man. They're making X Men. That is so crazy.
[49:16]
Cody Tucker
That is wild world.
[49:18]
Joe Rogan
They're gonna put I don't like tardigrade genes into humans.
[49:22]
Cody Tucker
God, that makes me so uncomfortable.
[49:24]
Joe Rogan
They may create super soldiers. So, okay, China has already done these genetic experiments on babies that are supposed to inoculate them to hiv, but also somehow increase their intelligence. And okay, the guy got in trouble and they look so you are bad. You shouldn't have done that research that we paid you to do. And so they put him in jail for a couple years, probably played golf and then Goodfellas. Now he's out. But that happened. And that's just what we know about publicly, like, right. Why would they tell if they were like making super soldiers and if they really, like. By the time we hear about it, there's probably some mountain in China that has an underground base just like we have just like Area 51. You got some. Some base carved to the side of a mountain. And they're doing wild over there where.
[50:14]
Cody Tucker
Jared Leto lives or whatever.
[50:17]
Joe Rogan
He lives in the LA one. Yeah, he lives in the one that's connected to the music scene in Laurel Canyon, you know, because it's all like. You know, the whole music scene has, like, weird intelligence agency.
[50:27]
Cody Tucker
The Laurel Canyon thing is strange, crazy. Yeah. Yeah. With all those people, like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young. Well, maybe not Neil Young, but, like. Yeah. A lot of those artists had, like, too many connections. Yeah. And Jim Morrison's dad started Vietnam.
[50:40]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
[50:40]
Cody Tucker
I mean, that's.
[50:41]
Joe Rogan
Jim Morrison's dad was, like, a serious military man.
[50:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. He was the Navy admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.
[50:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, you first. You first hear about that one, we go, what? Get out of here. But then you hear, well, no, like, it's not like these artists didn't exist. But why did they become famous? Why did they get promoted? Like, what. What was it about? Was it. Do you think it's like a psychology, but. Because, like, take a guy in the Laurel Canyon scene, like Hendrix. Like, you can't make a Hendrix accidentally. Or you can't make a Jim Morrison. Even though his dad was like. There's something about that guy. The way he sang his. Just the way it felt like when he was on stage. He was a star, man. I don't think you could turn a person who isn't that into that.
[51:28]
Cody Tucker
No, not even close. No, no, you can. You can pump up, like, a pop idol. You can't really pump up a rock star.
[51:35]
Joe Rogan
Right. You can make a boy band.
[51:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, you can make a boy band. You could, you know, make Ariana Grande out of, you know, clay and send her ass out up there.
[51:43]
Joe Rogan
You can't make Bob Dylan.
[51:44]
Cody Tucker
God, no, you can't do that. Yeah. You can't do that to Jim Morrison. You can't do that to, like, a lot of those. Like a actual rock star.
[51:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[51:51]
Cody Tucker
Is just. That's like a flash in the pan. Like, it happened. We don't know how it happened.
[51:56]
Joe Rogan
Any kind of musical star, it's like, it either. You know, there's no way. I shouldn't say no way, but I don't think the intelligence agency can, like, get a guy and train him to be that.
[52:11]
Cody Tucker
No, you could, like, take a budding scene and pump it up.
[52:17]
Joe Rogan
But.
[52:17]
Cody Tucker
But that scene's already there. Like, it was already gonna exist. Like, it already was existing. I mean, there was, like, the Beat Neck stuff in New York that was already happening way before any of this. So, like. And they were just kind of the next Generation of that. Just the west coast version. But yeah, you know, there's like. That's all. That was already there. So, yeah, if you want to say there's like a conspiracy that they pumped it up and like, put more money into, like, marketing their music to make sure that though those artists music got sold more and played on the radio, more like kind of a payola sort of thing. Right, that makes sense. Yeah, that could be. I don't know that it happened, but I know it's.
[52:54]
Joe Rogan
It's confusing, right? Because you want to draw conclusions, but then you gotta go, okay, you can't invent jazz. Joplin can't make that in a lab. Like, you know, when she's singing Piece of My Heart, you know, like just. You just. Like, that is. Either that's like God just kissed her with this talent. Yeah, you can't, like, engineer that, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think.
[53:16]
Cody Tucker
There's no way.
[53:17]
Joe Rogan
But if they. If they could do that, they could. They could manipulate all of reality.
[53:20]
Cody Tucker
Well, if they could do that, then they should probably do another one. Jesus Christ. I mean, the amount of times, dude, that I've seen, like, people on tv, they're supposed to be these, like, massively famous artists. I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are. And I'm like, in the age where I should still know who all these people are. Like, I'm pretty young, but like, yeah, I don't know who they are. And they all sound horrible. Like, I'm just. I don't like. Like, this is the proof of there being some simulation where we're all just, like, listening to the same. But I wonder if people thought that about every damn genre of music.
[53:50]
Joe Rogan
Like, I think they did. But I think there's something particularly lost about this current generation because of social media. Yeah, because of what we're talking about with those chat bots arguing with each other. And we know for sure that happens all over Twitter and Instagram. There's a lot of bot accounts. And just. I think people are super confused as to, like, what's, like, a real thing.
[54:13]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[54:14]
Joe Rogan
What's real, what resonates, like, what feels, what feels, what's cool and what's not, what's what's being promoted and artificially astroturfed and what's just cool, where it draws people into it and it's harder to tell now. It's tricky.
[54:29]
Cody Tucker
Well, it also seems like there isn't because, like, you know, you go back to, let's say, like the 60s. And you think like, okay, late 60s. This is the time of like, you know, Hendrix and like the Rolling Stones, the Sergeant Pepper, like, he's like the highly influential experimental constant. Yeah, Cream. Cream was like, you know, hadn't broken up yet. They broke up in like 70. But like the number one song in like 1969 or one of them was, you know, sugar. Sugar by the Archies. It's like one of the most mainstream bubblegum pop songs ever. It's like there was all. But. But those, like Hendricks and stuff were still there. Like it was in the zeitgeist, it was still popular, but now it's like those types of people are nowhere to even be found. And it's all just the Sugar Sugar type things.
[55:16]
Joe Rogan
Interesting.
[55:17]
Cody Tucker
You know what I mean?
[55:17]
Joe Rogan
There's still a lot of really good bands now.
[55:19]
Cody Tucker
Well, there are.
[55:20]
Joe Rogan
The thing is, like, the whole music business is weird because you don't sell anything anymore other than tickets to come see people. But yet there's still a giant industry that is involved in promoting and taking these artists and, you know, essentially locking them up to these deals.
[55:40]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah, because you get the ticket money. I mean.
[55:43]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but they get the ticket money now. And that's the thing. Right. The music companies didn't used to get.
[55:49]
Cody Tucker
Exactly. So. So, yeah, you still are gonna market, distribute the way that you would have in the past, but now you're just getting your. Your slice of cake from a different p. You know, you're getting it from a different area than you used to. You're still pumping them out, you know, pumping them up for the same reason ultimately, to make money. It's just you're getting it in a different way.
[56:10]
Joe Rogan
What I'm saying is that now a bunch of people are merging that aren't doing any of that stuff. You got like your Tyler the creator type dudes.
[56:16]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah.
[56:16]
Joe Rogan
Completely disconnected from that system. Makes his own music, makes his own. He's the creator of his own domain. And yes, you don't need all those people. And so you have this weird thing happening now where you have a lot of like Astroturf stuff. A lot of stuff that's just like thrown out there to try to get people to link. It sounds like, like stuff that people like and it's created, but you still have a lot more opportunity for legit artists to just like Zach Bryan just emerged from like tick tock clips or whatever they were.
[56:48]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, right.
[56:48]
Joe Rogan
YouTube clips.
[56:49]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, there's always going to be the ones who come out in like the indie way. You know, of like, like a. What Tarantino was for. Like movies, you know, like, come out like, I'm doing this all on my own and like there's. There's always going to be those people. I just think it seems like there's not a lot of those break through.
[57:09]
Joe Rogan
It means something.
[57:10]
Cody Tucker
Yes.
[57:11]
Joe Rogan
Like Oliver Anthony.
[57:13]
Cody Tucker
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[57:14]
Joe Rogan
Do you want. You want to hear his new song? And we can't play it on the show.
[57:17]
Cody Tucker
Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. How about this?
[57:19]
Joe Rogan
Well, everybody at home will be right back. That's what I'm talking about.
[57:23]
Cody Tucker
Oh, my God.
[57:25]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, man. Dude, See, that's that Jesus exists, right? So in the middle of all this honey, honey, sugar, sugar that you're seeing today, there's still. There's still Oliver Anthony. There's still people out there that are legit. They're legit. There's a bunch, man. There's a lot. There's just a lot of noise.
[57:46]
Cody Tucker
Yes, true. And I think I also just don't try to find things as much. You know what I mean? Like, I don't like, pursue it the way I probably should because I. In my head, I just have this like, bias of like, if it came out in the last 20 years, I don't care.
[58:00]
Joe Rogan
Like, it's hard to find stuff. You know, it's like I get suggestions from a lot of my friends. That's some of my. The best songs. Yeah, but also Spotify has a really good. I know I work for Spotify, blah, blah. But for real, they, their, their suggestion.
[58:14]
Cody Tucker
Thing is legit amazing.
[58:15]
Joe Rogan
The, the algorithm's very good. It's legit. It knows like the kind of vibe you're into.
[58:20]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I. Because I'll look, you know, put into some like, random playlists or like, in my head think of like, like, well, what do I want to hear like right now? How about like 70s garage rock? And I'll just put that in and there's like all this amazing stuff. It'll have like some deep cuts from like the Stones, which like one of my favorite bands. And like, you know, just all this other stuff that I've never heard before, but it all came out around that time, has the same sound. And there's never like a. A miss on that whole list of like 200 songs. This is incredible.
[58:51]
Joe Rogan
There's some great playlists. You know, it's like. That's what's interesting too about people curating their own playlists. Like, like, there's a bunch of my friends that'll give Me their playlist. Like, Tony gave me one of his playlists the other day. I was like, God damn, this is fucking legit.
[59:03]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[59:04]
Joe Rogan
A bunch of cool shit that I never heard before.
[59:06]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I make, I make playlists all the time. That's one of my favorite things to do is like a hobby is to make playlists for people. I love it. Like, if they tell me like, oh. I'm like, I like want to know more songs that sound like this, I'll be like, got you. I'll make you a playlist and send us to. I love doing stuff like that for people. Yeah, yeah.
[59:24]
Joe Rogan
I only have one playlist, but it's like 39 hours long.
[59:27]
Cody Tucker
Oh, that's pretty good. I mean, how much do you really need?
[59:30]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's ridiculous though, to try to find songs that I have to use the search bar.
[59:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[59:35]
Joe Rogan
I can never just scroll down. There's too many of them.
[59:38]
Cody Tucker
I have probably 40 playlists that I've made. Yeah. Because I do them by like decades and then I'll do genres within decades.
[59:45]
Joe Rogan
Super specific.
[59:46]
Cody Tucker
Well, I'm just like slightly autistic. Oh, gotta be 55, 56. Like enough to where I can, like, you know, I can function.
[59:57]
Joe Rogan
Do you smell? Math?
[59:59]
Cody Tucker
No. CC any. When it comes to that. I don't have any of that autism. I just have the weird, like I can't handle too many sounds.
[60:06]
Joe Rogan
Oh, interesting.
[60:07]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, no, I can't handle a lot of stimulus. And then I make playlists or do jigsaw puzzles.
[60:13]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, interesting.
[60:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, or read 24, 7 and, and look up random.
[60:20]
Joe Rogan
You know, that's the superpower of it, right?
[60:23]
Cody Tucker
I think so. I mean, I've, Yeah, I, I'm glad I have. You know, I don't know if I'm really autistic, but if I am, I'm glad I have it.
[60:31]
Joe Rogan
Are you self diagnosed?
[60:32]
Cody Tucker
Of course.
[60:32]
Joe Rogan
Oh, there you go.
[60:33]
Cody Tucker
I'm self diagnosed.
[60:34]
Joe Rogan
Right, but you are a doctor though, right?
[60:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, as much as you know.
[60:40]
Joe Rogan
I'm guilty as charged. I've self diagnosed myself with adhd.
[60:43]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, but you, you know, but you know yourself better than anybody else, so you should be able to self diagnose.
[60:49]
Joe Rogan
Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real. You know, I think it's one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit and they can't pay attention to stuff that sucks.
[61:00]
Cody Tucker
Well. And there probably is some disorder in it. But to like. Because I Don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that there is like a thing, but to say that it's like a disorder and that it's negative and that it needs to be treated is different. Like, I don't think ADHD necessarily needs to be treated. It just needs to be like funneled.
[61:19]
Joe Rogan
It's only a disorder because we have a very rigid civilization.
[61:22]
Cody Tucker
Exactly.
[61:22]
Joe Rogan
If we. So we don't live in accordance to the way our bodies were designed. Our bodies were designed to be hunter gatherers. That's the reality. That's the reality. Because it takes so long to become a hunter and gatherer. And it took like hundreds of thousands of years for us to be good at it. And we've only been living in civilization for a little tiny little blink of time.
[61:44]
Cody Tucker
Time.
[61:45]
Joe Rogan
So our programming is all. Not to sit still all day, not to stare at a teacher, not to be bored memorizing. Our old thing is like be active, do something, learn, get excited about something. So we have like an entire forgotten group of people that have so much energy and they have, they have all these interests that are not what you're dulling them down with all day long. And they could learn the in in a way better manner by just like participating in things and yeah. Reading stuff as well. But having a teacher that actually is enthusiastic about it, where they get you excited about it, like not having to sit down all day. You're 10, you want to run, you want to play with your friends.
[62:26]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[62:26]
Joe Rogan
You want to have fun and you'll sit there and by the end of the day like, I hate school.
[62:31]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[62:31]
Joe Rogan
Because it's boring.
[62:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, school sucks. Like school ruins everything. It ruins the natural love of learning that I think most humans have is ruined by public, by schools because well one, you're there way longer than you should be. There's no reason a kid should be in school for 8 hours, 9 hours sometimes. Why? Why would a 8 year old need to be in school that long?
[62:54]
Joe Rogan
It's a real good question.
[62:54]
Cody Tucker
Doesn't make any sense. What do they actually, what are you teaching a 10 year old in 8 hours?
[63:00]
Joe Rogan
Like that they're gonna remember.
[63:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. And also, I mean like don't have, you don't have to have recess, you don't have to have all these extra things. Like you can shorten all this down more streamlined and have kids home. But it's just to prepare people for a nine to five and so many two, you know, parents, there's so many households have both parents working. So it's like well, it is kind of nice to not have a babysitter. You just send your kid to school and, you know, have your kid be a latchkey kid like I was.
[63:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, like I was too. Yeah, that was a normal thing back then, you know, no one thought twice about letting your kids just go outside. Like all the kids in the neighborhood. We all grew up like that. We all would just go over each other's houses. We just come home from school. Nobody's home. You had a kid key, you know.
[63:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I would just come in and start, like, playing guitar some. I mean, I didn't go around and name the neighborhood. It was a lot of meth labs. A lot of fully functioning.
[63:46]
Joe Rogan
You live in meth labs when you're a kid?
[63:48]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[63:48]
Joe Rogan
No, dude.
[63:49]
Cody Tucker
Fully functioning.
[63:50]
Joe Rogan
Like, where'd you live?
[63:51]
Cody Tucker
Well, East Texas.
[63:52]
Joe Rogan
Which don't, you know. Don't have to say. Don't rat.
[63:54]
Cody Tucker
Don't need the address. Yeah.
[63:58]
Joe Rogan
There'S some method right now. We're gonna find him.
[64:03]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, well, they've actually all kind of blown themselves up since then.
[64:06]
Joe Rogan
Funny how that works.
[64:07]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's a. Yeah. Nature really has a way of taking care of itself, you know?
[64:11]
Joe Rogan
That is such a crazy decision to make. I'm gonna cook meth in a trailer.
[64:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. One blew up. Like, the one next to my house blew up not that long ago. Like, I was just asleep, thought I heard a shotgun and looked and there's just fire. And I was like, what is this? I was like, oh, yeah.
[64:26]
Joe Rogan
I'm imagining a slow mo of the trailer blowing up with that Oliver Anthony song playing the background around.
[64:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, you'd be. You wouldn't be far off. Yeah, it's pretty close.
[64:38]
Joe Rogan
But yeah, meth labs are known. They are known to go up badly.
[64:42]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was not a neighborhood that you go, like, ride bikes around and, like, play and like that, but because you're.
[64:48]
Joe Rogan
Cooking meth and you're on meth.
[64:50]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. So.
[64:50]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[64:51]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[64:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And even if you're not on meth, you're in contact with it all the time, so you're probably getting at least a skin high.
[64:57]
Cody Tucker
Well, and they're not using, like, you know, high grade equipment. I mean, they're wearing, like, you know, some like. Like cheap gloves maybe. I mean, most of it's barehanded. You know, they're like old school hat makers. You know, they would get mercury poisoning and go crazy.
[65:10]
Joe Rogan
What's really crazy is that we look at that and we say, that is so nuts that people take meth. Why would you do that. And yet what percentage of kids today.
[65:20]
Cody Tucker
Are on Adderall, which is the exact same thing, just a slow release, a delayed release, meth.
[65:26]
Joe Rogan
What percentage? If you had a guess, I mean.
[65:29]
Cody Tucker
It'S probably lower than we think, because in my head I think it's like 40%, but it's probably about 15 if I'm just, if I'm really guessing, like, trying to win some money.
[65:38]
Joe Rogan
God, that's a lot of.
[65:40]
Cody Tucker
That's still so many kids.
[65:41]
Joe Rogan
That's crazy. It's more than one out of 10. And that's so crazy. That's just. The idea of that is so nuts. They're all on meth.
[65:49]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah.
[65:51]
Joe Rogan
And that's an ADHD thing, right? They give it to you when you have adhd.
[65:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. Ritalin.
[65:55]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I used to ADHD medication when I was a kid. I would have run through. I would have taken my clothes off, ran through the woods.
[66:01]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah, I'd be like, well, what's crazy is just turns kids into a zombie. Yeah, like, like, it, it, it's, it's so sad. Like, I used to work in a pharmacy for a long time and just seeing, like, how many parents are coming there, giving their kid. And their kids just, like, zonked out. They look like they're in one floor of the cuckoo's nest, you know, like. And, yeah, they're just like, oh, here's, here's my kid. This, like, high level amount of, you know, again, Ritalin or whatever. Vyvanse, you know, Adderall, like, it's, it is wild.
[66:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's spooky.
[66:35]
Cody Tucker
It was a party drug.
[66:36]
Joe Rogan
It's spooky that you can get a doctor to tell you that's cool too. As long as the doctor tells you it's okay. Yeah, he needs that. Oh, great. Look, we got medication for him. We're gonna be fine. Little Billy's gonna be fine. Because you come home from school, from work, rather, your feet hurt, hurt. You sit down, I take your shoes off the kid's sword. Fighting with his brother in the middle of the living room, like, hey, you gotta stop. You gotta listen to me. Hey, you little. And you're so tired, your ankle hurts, you know, you can't get up. Like, medicate this little. Medicate. Yes.
[67:04]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Because it's easy to do. And, and you have a doctor telling you it's okay. So that immediately gives you some, like, reassurance that, like, why would a medical professional tell me this is a medical professional?
[67:13]
Joe Rogan
And he gives me my medication which allows Me to get through my day as well.
[67:17]
Cody Tucker
Exactly.
[67:17]
Joe Rogan
But. Oh, I mean, that's that great Rolling Stone song. Remember that? Mother's Little Helper.
[67:23]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[67:25]
Joe Rogan
That's what it's called, right?
[67:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it is. It is.
[67:27]
Joe Rogan
Great song. Great.
[67:28]
Cody Tucker
I mean, running for the shelter.
[67:30]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I think that was the Valium days, right? Was that what it was?
[67:34]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know if they didn't necessarily call it that, but there was, like, speed and Valium, Right?
[67:38]
Joe Rogan
Speed.
[67:39]
Cody Tucker
Like an upper and a downer, and, you know, you take the upper to get all your chores done as a housewife, and then you take the downer. So you. You didn't kill your kids.
[67:47]
Joe Rogan
They prescribed those to people like candy.
[67:51]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[67:51]
Joe Rogan
Forever. Well, I think they figured out that Valium is, like, super addictive, right?
[67:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I think they legitimately didn't know back then.
[67:58]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
[67:59]
Cody Tucker
For sure. Any excuse after that, you're out of your mind. Like the OxyContin bull, you know, with all that, like.
[68:04]
Joe Rogan
Oh, for sure. They knew about OxyContin being. They knew that was essentially heroin. I mean, that's one of the great moments in that Peter park docu series on Netflix.
[68:13]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[68:13]
Joe Rogan
Where the docudrama series where the guy is breaking it down to him. The doctor's breaking down to him. Like, you're. When the hot girl comes in, she's pitching that stuff, and he's like, you're selling heroin. Yeah, you need. This is exactly the same thing as heroin. You tell him, I. I should put my patients on heroin. Like, what are you doing? Like, the. You know, the lone ethical doctor.
[68:34]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[68:35]
Joe Rogan
You know, shitty little house that he lives in, you know, because he doesn't.
[68:39]
Cody Tucker
Like the big guy.
[68:39]
Joe Rogan
He doesn't make the big money because he's a good guy. Which is, like, unfortunately not unrealistic. Like.
[68:46]
Cody Tucker
No, that's how it is.
[68:47]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[68:47]
Cody Tucker
Because if you prescribe it, they give you, you know, a $500 gift card to, you know, a steakhouse. They'll, you know, they'll buy you a new car.
[68:54]
Joe Rogan
Well, that. All that stuff's nuts. You know, like, with a certain amount of vaccines, if 60% of your patients or more are vaccinated, you get a larger incentive. So you like pushing it. Yeah, the whole thing's not nuts.
[69:07]
Cody Tucker
It's nuts that that's legal incentivizing anything.
[69:11]
Joe Rogan
Medical.
[69:12]
Cody Tucker
Medical is. I mean, why are you doing that?
[69:14]
Joe Rogan
Dude, there was a guy that got arrested. I forget how many patients it was, but he was an oncologist and he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't have cancer because chemotherapy is very profitable. So this piece of shit was telling people that they had cancer and then giving them fucking chemotherapy therapy.
[69:33]
Cody Tucker
That's that for.
[69:35]
Joe Rogan
Just for money.
[69:35]
Cody Tucker
That sucks. There's a special.
[69:37]
Joe Rogan
And it was, like, a bunch of people. And I think he had some insane excuse when they asked, you know, that you eat what you kill. You know, that. That philosophy that they kind of have in medical school, like, you have to do surgeries because that's how you get your money.
[69:52]
Cody Tucker
Yep.
[69:53]
Joe Rogan
Like, I thought you were fixing folks. I didn't think this is all about you making money. That's crazy. And that the fact that they incentivize you to do that. So a pharmaceutical drug company can incentivize you to push their stuff, Right. Whoa.
[70:11]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. To push their medicine over another medicine, even though their medicine might have worse side effects or maybe not even be the exact right one.
[70:18]
Joe Rogan
Yep.
[70:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Like, I'm on a couple pharmaceuticals.
[70:21]
Joe Rogan
What are you on?
[70:22]
Cody Tucker
Effects or. And I took a Klonopin about two hours ago, so.
[70:26]
Joe Rogan
Whoa. What else?
[70:28]
Cody Tucker
Very small dose. It actually did absolutely nothing.
[70:31]
Joe Rogan
So maybe it kicks in at five.
[70:33]
Cody Tucker
We'll find out. Yeah. I'm laid out.
[70:35]
Joe Rogan
What is effects are. Is that an ssri?
[70:36]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's an ssri, but.
[70:38]
Joe Rogan
And when did you start getting on that stuff?
[70:40]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I started taking those probably 2013.
[70:44]
Joe Rogan
Wow.
[70:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I've never noticed a difference. I just keep taking them because I think at some point it's gonna work. I mean, well, you never know. Sometimes there's, like, a delay in the effectiveness. So.
[70:58]
Joe Rogan
Have you ever gone off of them just to see, like, what it feels like?
[71:01]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, because I started. Well, whenever I started drinking a lot, I was like. It said, you're not supposed to do both. I'll just take the alcohol.
[71:09]
Joe Rogan
I'll take the present over the anti.
[71:11]
Cody Tucker
Alcohol worked for sure.
[71:12]
Joe Rogan
Really Interesting.
[71:13]
Cody Tucker
Well, that night, it worked real well. And then the next day, it's like.
[71:16]
Joe Rogan
You know, that's the problem.
[71:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, if my ceiling was stronger, I'd have a noose hanging up there.
[71:21]
Joe Rogan
But, yeah, well, you know, it's like, someone's got to design a better alcohol. Alcohol. Someone's got to design something that, first of all, doesn't massively up your motor functions, you know, which is the most dangerous part of alcohol. It's like your body's not functioning right.
[71:36]
Cody Tucker
I want that to happen. I like that. Yeah. I like the whole feeling.
[71:41]
Joe Rogan
You like, just stumbling.
[71:43]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[71:43]
Joe Rogan
Being hammered.
[71:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I like waking up and being like, why is my knee bleeding? Like, that's a. That's a great feeling.
[71:50]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's definitely fun to be happy, but it's just like. It's a new. You've. You're agreeing just like you're agreeing when you're smoking cigarettes. Like I am. I'm giving up some health here for this experience.
[72:02]
Cody Tucker
There's, like, a quote. I don't know whose it is. It's definitely not mine. But, like, getting drunk is. You're just buying happiness from tomorrow. It's a great quote. I mean, it makes sense because that is what you're doing. You're getting twice as happy, but tomorrow.
[72:14]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[72:15]
Cody Tucker
You're gonna have zero happiness.
[72:17]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[72:18]
Cody Tucker
I was buying, like, weeks ahead.
[72:19]
Joe Rogan
Dead. Yeah. Well, some people just keep that. Like Bert Kreischer. He just keeps that party rolling. He never stops.
[72:25]
Cody Tucker
Well, he just knocked out a 5K. Good for him. I got invited to go do that, and I. I couldn't turn that down fast enough like you, y' all. No, no, I'm not gonna go run a 5k unless someone's chasing me, bro.
[72:39]
Joe Rogan
Jelly Roll has lost something insane. I think he's down £140.
[72:44]
Cody Tucker
I thought it was even more than that, but maybe.
[72:46]
Joe Rogan
Is it more than that?
[72:48]
Cody Tucker
I. I think. I think I might. I don't want to.
[72:49]
Joe Rogan
It's an insane amount. He looks so good. He looks different. He looks like a different person.
[72:54]
Cody Tucker
Is wild. That's a lot. I mean. Yes, he. 180 is what I thought I had heard. Wow.
[73:01]
Joe Rogan
Unbelievable.
[73:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[73:02]
Joe Rogan
Unbelievable, dude.
[73:04]
Cody Tucker
I mean, that's a.
[73:04]
Joe Rogan
That's unbelievable.
[73:05]
Cody Tucker
An adult human.
[73:06]
Joe Rogan
See, if there's a. There's a video, I think that's on Bert Kreischer's Instagram of Bert with him on stage. And Bert is bigger than Jelly Roll. No, he's not. He's not.
[73:16]
Cody Tucker
Oh, wow.
[73:17]
Joe Rogan
But he's right next to him. And Jelly Roll is almost unrecognizable.
[73:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[73:21]
Joe Rogan
I mean, he's so much thinner. He looks great. And he's committed. He's, like, all in on this. All in on being healthy.
[73:30]
Cody Tucker
I gotta do it.
[73:31]
Joe Rogan
He ran a 5K. Look at that.
[73:33]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, there it was. Yeah.
[73:36]
Joe Rogan
Boy, look at Bert. Bert's bigger than him. Look, I'm not lying.
[73:40]
Cody Tucker
No, you're really not. Yeah, that's.
[73:42]
Joe Rogan
Jelly Roll looks like a totally different human being.
[73:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, he looks. Looks good.
[73:47]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he looks great.
[73:48]
Cody Tucker
I mean, that's crazy.
[73:49]
Joe Rogan
That's extraordinary. Extraordinary that he's been able to do that.
[73:52]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. In how long? I mean, it hasn't been that long. I mean, I don't think.
[73:57]
Joe Rogan
I think.
[74:00]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's.
[74:03]
Joe Rogan
His weight loss. He wanted to lose a hundred pounds. It says his first goal. Okay. She passed that goal in 2024. Okay. So he already lost 100 pounds by 2024.
[74:14]
Cody Tucker
Okay.
[74:15]
Joe Rogan
So here we are in May of 2025. Next year, he says half marathon. Wow.
[74:21]
Cody Tucker
Whoa. I mean, he could. Why not?
[74:24]
Joe Rogan
Well, why not? Yeah. If he did 5K, he can do it.
[74:26]
Cody Tucker
5K is what, three and a half miles, huh? Yeah.
[74:29]
Joe Rogan
Wow.
[74:30]
Cody Tucker
So I have marathons. 13.1 dog or 13. I guess he.
[74:34]
Joe Rogan
His weight. His weight goal is to be under £250.
[74:39]
Cody Tucker
Well, he'll definitely be said to do.
[74:40]
Joe Rogan
All the fun stuff in life. You got to be under 250. Skydiving, ride a roller coaster, riding a bull and wrestling an alligator. Oh. Don't do a lot of those things.
[74:51]
Cody Tucker
I'll tell you what. You know, the wrestling and alligator thing, I can tell you from firsthand experience, you can be any weight and wrestle a alligator.
[74:57]
Joe Rogan
Really?
[74:58]
Cody Tucker
Why not? I mean, I feel like the bigger.
[75:00]
Joe Rogan
You are gonna die, you're gonna die.
[75:01]
Cody Tucker
Well, I figured the bigger you are, the better at wrestling you are. For an alligator, you don't want to be 120 pounds and jump on the back of an alligator.
[75:08]
Joe Rogan
That's true. But you don't even want to be £300 jump on the back of an alligator because they roll like their whole thing is rolling.
[75:14]
Cody Tucker
But they wouldn't be able to roll quite as much if I'm on the back of an alligator. That thing is not budging.
[75:20]
Joe Rogan
Boy, I think you're wrong.
[75:21]
Cody Tucker
That could be.
[75:22]
Joe Rogan
I think you're really wrong. I'm. I'm really sure you're wrong.
[75:26]
Cody Tucker
I would like to test it.
[75:27]
Joe Rogan
I don't want you to. You seem like a nice guy. I've seen so many videos, especially crocs. When dudes, like, they put their arm in a croc and the crocs, I was like, nut?
[75:36]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, crocodile is different. Crocodile's very vicious. And alligator is basically just a giant turtle. I mean, you could just smack that thing. Well, it's not gonna do anything to you.
[75:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They eat people. They'll get you. They'll. They still eat people. No toddler? No. They'll eat a grown adult. If they get a hold of you, they'll take you and drag you under a log. It's just they're not as aggressive as crocs. Crocs actively target people, whereas alligators are like. If you up. There's a fun story story. Guy was in a police chase in Florida. Cops are chasing him, gets to a bridge, jumps out of the car into the water, lands on an alligator and just gets mauled right in front of the cops. He gets killed by an alligator. Right. A big and too. It was like a big like, like again like the book coming out today. Like sometimes the universe is there with a 13 footer.
[76:28]
Cody Tucker
Like right when you die.
[76:30]
Joe Rogan
Oh no. Crap. Grabs a hold of your head, starts rolling.
[76:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Have you ever been close to one?
[76:38]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, dude.
[76:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I've snuck up on. Well, yeah, accidentally snuck up on one once and it is, it's kind of terrifying hearing the, the, the. I can't make the sound. But that, like that, you know that sound they make, bro, they're dinosaurs. Yeah.
[76:51]
Joe Rogan
They're heartless, soulless eating machines.
[76:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I was going to take a piss by a tree tree and just heard that sound. I was like, it was night time. So I'm like, oh, I don't, I don't like that that just happened.
[77:03]
Joe Rogan
That's not.
[77:03]
Cody Tucker
And look around. There's one not like super close, but close enough to get a good look and be like, oh.
[77:09]
Joe Rogan
When I was a kid, I lived in Florida from age 11 to 13. We lived in Gainesville, which is wiped by this place called Lake Alice. And Lake Alice had all kinds of alligators.
[77:21]
Cody Tucker
Right? Right.
[77:21]
Joe Rogan
And people would go there and, and feed them marshmallows, chuck marshmallows in the water. And then they eventually told you, hey, stop doing that. It's bad for the alligators. But alligators were like a protected species back then.
[77:31]
Cody Tucker
I'd have been dressing up like an alligator so quick. Marshmallows.
[77:35]
Joe Rogan
But it was so weird to be like, I lived in San Francisco before that. So you see nothing. And then all sudden, dinosaurs. Like legit dinosaurs. Why? And I remember being a little kid thinking, why is everybody so goddamn comfortable being around these huge lizards?
[77:50]
Cody Tucker
It is crazy when you go to Florida because I'm. I'm pretty close to Caddo Lake, which I don't know if you're familiar with Caddo Lake, but it's. No, it's like the largest natural lake in Texas. It looks like you went back in time 5 million years, 60 million years. Like it's the scariest looking place on the planet and they're just filled with alligators. So we would go there as a kid all the time and yeah, you see alligators and you're just like, but nobody cares. Like, people are just like out barbecuing, like grilling up against the lake. And you know, obviously the meat being around, like these alligators just come up. Just don't care. They're just like. All right. Right.
[78:23]
Joe Rogan
That's so crazy.
[78:24]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[78:25]
Joe Rogan
So crazy that people just tolerate dinosaurs.
[78:28]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I mean, I guess just, you know, they don't do anything to people, like unprovoked, really. Like, as far as I know. I mean.
[78:36]
Joe Rogan
Well, they can. They certainly.
[78:38]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, for sure.
[78:38]
Joe Rogan
But they're just like. They're so overpopulated now. Yeah, they're all over Florida. They say essentially any body of water in Florida that's still. There's a potential for an alligator being inside of it. Because they just travel at night and go into a new lake and sit there and wait. They can hold their breath for hours.
[78:54]
Cody Tucker
God, I would.
[78:56]
Joe Rogan
They don't have to eat for a year. Like, what? Like what? What are we doing?
[79:00]
Cody Tucker
Jeez.
[79:00]
Joe Rogan
Oh, my God.
[79:03]
Cody Tucker
Oh, that is. Yeah. Yep, yep.
[79:05]
Joe Rogan
Have you ever heard of alligator gars?
[79:08]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, we have them. Yeah. So like my family, 11 live in Gonzalez. I don't know familiar with that is. But by San Antonio. And they go like bow fishing for gars. And we used to go fishing for gars. Like in a spillway. Just fish for these bastards. You can't eat them, apparently.
[79:22]
Joe Rogan
You can. You could smoke them. That's what I heard.
[79:24]
Cody Tucker
We would just pull them up and then smash their head with a rock. Yeah, well, what are I supposed to be?
[79:29]
Joe Rogan
My point was some guy just caught a world record in Texas. I think it was out in Lake way. I forget where it was, but it was seven feet long. See if you could find it. And he caught it on like two pound test or something. Crazy. No, I mean that was a lake trout. Different story.
[79:46]
Cody Tucker
There's gotta be bigger ones than that. Than seven feet. I wonder if it was.
[79:51]
Joe Rogan
Jesus, look at the size of that thing, man. That's so crazy. That is Houston Chronicle. So look at the size of that thing. Oh my God, that's so big. 212 pound alligator gar. And those things, man, look like they're from a different era. Those things look like they're not supposed to exist. Like, that is a goddamn prehistoric creature. Pull up some photos, Jamie, of alligator gars.
[80:17]
Cody Tucker
They also don't attack people.
[80:19]
Joe Rogan
No, no, they don't.
[80:20]
Cody Tucker
Very kind of skittish, but my kids.
[80:23]
Joe Rogan
Found out that they're in lakes now and then they're like this.
[80:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, Yeah. I don't blame them.
[80:29]
Joe Rogan
You don't take a chance with that thing. Look at their face. Like, look at that photo. Look at that face, man. That looks like something from a book on dinosaurs, right?
[80:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's like a sturgeon. Like this huge ass sturgeon, Alaska.
[80:40]
Joe Rogan
Where you're like, oh, from a different time.
[80:42]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[80:42]
Joe Rogan
A sturgeon looks like it doesn't belong in this time. Look at that thing, man.
[80:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I don't like that.
[80:47]
Joe Rogan
But even the eyes, it just looks primitive. Like a early design. Like a 1955 Ford. You know what I mean? It's like what were you doing back there? Like that's a design. That stupid eyeball at the end of the mouth looks dumb. Right, Right. Make that picture bigger. The one that's. You got it. That's big right now look.
[81:06]
Cody Tucker
Yes.
[81:07]
Joe Rogan
Look how crazy that is.
[81:10]
Cody Tucker
It's. God, I mean, it's so crazy.
[81:13]
Joe Rogan
Look at that thing, man.
[81:15]
Cody Tucker
You never gone.
[81:16]
Joe Rogan
They only give you a small ver. Isn't that weird?
[81:17]
Cody Tucker
What a weird. Even if you open it, that's so strange.
[81:21]
Joe Rogan
They.
[81:22]
Cody Tucker
Wow.
[81:23]
Joe Rogan
But look how bad that design is. That's like. You know what it's like? It's like. You ever see like a Dodge charger? Like a 69 charger. A badass looking car. But like, why is it so long and goofy? Like, what's going on? Oh yeah, it's like old time. They hadn't figured out proportions yet. Looks weird. Yeah, that thing looks weird. It doesn't look modern. It looks from a different time.
[81:43]
Cody Tucker
It's definitely not mine.
[81:44]
C
Why does that have a nose?
[81:46]
Joe Rogan
Probably slammed into things.
[81:49]
Cody Tucker
That's like a real nostril.
[81:51]
C
Another way. Unless they can breathe above.
[81:53]
Joe Rogan
Is that a nostril? I think.
[81:55]
Cody Tucker
Well, it does look like.
[81:57]
Joe Rogan
See if there's other ones that show that same thing. That's crazy. If that's a nostril, that could just be a hole in its nose.
[82:03]
Cody Tucker
It could, but I think.
[82:04]
Joe Rogan
Unless they're like.
[82:05]
Cody Tucker
No.
[82:05]
Joe Rogan
Oh gosh. The nostril.
[82:08]
Cody Tucker
They all have a little nostril.
[82:09]
Joe Rogan
Find out if it can alligator gars breathe air. Because there are some fish that gulp air. Have you ever seen that?
[82:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[82:15]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They go up and they actually can gulp air. No oxygen in the water.
[82:20]
Cody Tucker
I mean, these things all look like they get. They have.
[82:22]
Joe Rogan
No, they have nostrils, but their primary respiratory organ is a swim bladder which can be used to breathe in air when needed, especially in the. In low oxygen environments. Wow.
[82:32]
Cody Tucker
But they do breathe using gills at the top.
[82:34]
Joe Rogan
They. So they have gills and nostrils. That's nice.
[82:37]
Cody Tucker
Like.
[82:38]
C
Like it says, like most Fists have nostrils.
[82:41]
Cody Tucker
I didn't know that most fish have nostrils.
[82:44]
Joe Rogan
However, they have a unique adaptation. A swim bladder connected to their mouth. Whoa. And swim bladder functions as a lung, allowing them to breathe air.
[82:53]
Cody Tucker
Jesus.
[82:53]
Joe Rogan
See, that's why they're still around. When. When did these first start being around? Like, how long have they been on Earth for?
[83:00]
Cody Tucker
I'm gonna guess millions, right? Yeah, 100.
[83:04]
Joe Rogan
That seems like a many million year old fish.
[83:07]
Cody Tucker
I would guess like 100. Oh, there it is. 100 million in the Cretaceous.
[83:13]
Joe Rogan
So that's pre dinosaur death because that's.
[83:16]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, 65 million. So. Yeah. Yeah.
[83:18]
Joe Rogan
So they, they were around long before.
[83:21]
Cody Tucker
They overlap for 35 million years.
[83:23]
Joe Rogan
Not nuts. That. That's essentially a prehistoric creature that you can go shoot with a bow.
[83:30]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Or like me smashing her head in with. Smash his head in with your rock while your uncle's drunk.
[83:35]
Joe Rogan
Kind of crazy that. That's a. You know, it's an activity that people do. But I, I do hear that you can smoke them and then they taste good.
[83:44]
Cody Tucker
I'll leave that up to you.
[83:46]
Joe Rogan
Won't even try it. Like, if someone's really good and they cook for you and they're like, just try it, dude, try it, try it.
[83:51]
Cody Tucker
I'd pretty much try anything. So, Yeah, I try. I've eaten worse things.
[83:54]
Joe Rogan
I had beaver once.
[83:55]
Cody Tucker
I bet you. Yeah, really? Well, I was. Me too, one day, I hope.
[84:03]
Joe Rogan
No, me and my friend Brian Callan and Steve Rinella. It was on his television show Meat Eater, and they trapped a beaver and he cooked it. He made like a pot roast. It was delicious. It was really good.
[84:14]
Cody Tucker
I'd try it.
[84:15]
Joe Rogan
But Steve's like an excellent cook.
[84:17]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[84:17]
Joe Rogan
So he really, like, he has cookbooks, like, excellent cook. So he really knows how to make something.
[84:21]
Cody Tucker
He cooks on the show.
[84:22]
Joe Rogan
Delicious. Yeah, all the time.
[84:24]
Cody Tucker
That's. Yeah, I. I'd try it. I mean, there's not really any. I'd eat a dog. I'd eat. I try.
[84:31]
Joe Rogan
I can't eat a dog. Like, I couldn't eat a person. Like, I could eat a person if I had to eat a person.
[84:35]
Cody Tucker
I don't think it would take all that much.
[84:37]
Joe Rogan
Well, I think historically you've been proven to be correct.
[84:40]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[84:41]
Joe Rogan
You know. Want some coffee? Do you drink? No, I'm good.
[84:43]
Cody Tucker
I'm good.
[84:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Historically, when push comes to shove, people will eat people.
[84:48]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, what was the name? General Butt Naked. You ever heard of him?
[84:51]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
[84:52]
Cody Tucker
He was eating people. I mean, that's how he found. He busted that Guy at that market, you know, serving human meat.
[84:58]
Joe Rogan
That guy killed and ate people. And then he was forgiven because he found Jesus. And then he became a pastor.
[85:07]
Cody Tucker
Amazing.
[85:08]
Joe Rogan
He would take off all his clothes and go into battle and kill people while he's butt naked with a machete. With a machete, yeah, yeah. He would find children, kill them, cut their heart out and eat it so that he would become. Become invincible. Eat the heart of his enemy's children.
[85:24]
Cody Tucker
It worked. He's still alive.
[85:29]
Joe Rogan
That's the thing. Like, you can dismiss it all you want.
[85:31]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. But the proof is in the pudding.
[85:33]
Joe Rogan
As they say, the devil has very specific rules if you want the superpower. From monster to minister. Is the past about to catch up to Liberia's war criminals? So that's the thing is Liberia. Okay. Do you know the history of Liberia?
[85:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. With James Monroe and Monroe V. I mean, well, I know like that it was a colony basically to send African, like slaves. Slaves back to Africa.
[85:53]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
[85:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That's why the capital is Monrovia. It's named after James Monroe.
[85:57]
Joe Rogan
It is an insane place. In the weeks before he found Jesus, the evangelist formerly known as General Butt Naked reckons he was sacrificing four or five children a day.
[86:07]
Cody Tucker
Oh, my God.
[86:09]
Joe Rogan
Murder had long come naturally to him. He was only 11 when the elders who had had steeped him in the ways of witchcraft first handed him the sacrificial knife. But he never killed with such intensity and ferocity as during those weeks in mid-1996 when Liberia's first civil war reached its calamitous climax in the blood soaked streets of Monrovia, the country's battered capital. Several times a day, the warlord and his battalion of boys, all naked as he was, would emerge into the maelstrom, firing wildly as they added their own breed of terror to the chaos. Wow. Yet the bloodletting always began before a single bullet had been fired. Before each engagement, butt naked pagan priest and holy warrior would lay a child face down on the sacrificial table, slice open its victim's back, and pull out their still beating heart, thus ensuring magical protection for the coming battle.
[87:07]
Cody Tucker
Yo, not really like a nice thing to do to someone.
[87:10]
Joe Rogan
I mean.
[87:11]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's, that's insane. I mean, I don't care if he.
[87:14]
Joe Rogan
Found Jesus, but he found Jesus. Hold on. He found Jesus?
[87:18]
Cody Tucker
Is that actually why he got let off or.
[87:21]
Joe Rogan
More than 20 years later, general but nagged nom Deer evangelist Joshua Milton Blahy no longer cares to use, has never appeared in court for the war crimes he so freely admits to. To neither, for that matter. Has anyone else. Not in Liberia, at least. That's pretty crazy.
[87:40]
Cody Tucker
So they didn't even try. It's not like he got off. They just didn't even try.
[87:44]
Joe Rogan
That's how bad that place is.
[87:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, because he was under. What's that guy's name? Charles Taylor. Charles Taylor was an absolute nut job as well. You ever seen Machine Gun Preacher? Gerard Butler?
[87:55]
Joe Rogan
No, I didn't.
[87:55]
Cody Tucker
Oh, you got to watch that movie.
[87:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[87:57]
Cody Tucker
So good.
[87:58]
Joe Rogan
Machine Gun Preacher.
[87:59]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, sounds like.
[88:00]
Joe Rogan
When is this one? When. When this one come out?
[88:01]
Cody Tucker
Maybe 2014, 2015 or so. So you're decently old. 2011. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But based on true story of a guy who, you know, had, like, some alcohol, like, drug issues, I believe. And here it is.
[88:15]
Joe Rogan
Machine Gun Preacher.
[88:16]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[88:20]
Joe Rogan
Okay.
[88:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's. It's a. I'll check that out.
[88:23]
Joe Rogan
Jamie, will you do me a favor? Send me a. Nope.
[88:25]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, he went to Africa, like, this guy. Yeah. Went to Africa and started, like, building these, like, you know, kind of. I guess not orphanage, but like schools basically. And then obviously, you know, the warlords would come in and burn these schools down because they don't want them being built and try to take the money that's being donated. So he started, like, going over there. Like, he was at one point just kind of, you know, getting money and sending it there. And then he was like, well, actually go over there with weapons and I'll protect these schools. And it's basically what he did. It's a pretty crazy story. The movie. Yes. Phenomenal.
[88:58]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, man. There are parts of the world that are just fucking bananas.
[89:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[89:03]
Joe Rogan
Which is really great about the early days of Vice. Oh, yeah, the early days of Vice, man. They would go and interview, like, General Butt Naked.
[89:11]
Cody Tucker
That's where I heard about him.
[89:12]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
[89:12]
Cody Tucker
A Vice. It was the Cannibal Warlords of Liberia was the documentary.
[89:16]
Joe Rogan
They would go everywhere, all the crazy places. They would go to all parts of the world.
[89:22]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's. It's, yeah. Amazing, like, just how crazy people are.
[89:27]
Joe Rogan
People that don't visit those places of the world. They don't see, like, the look in the eyes of people that have been to all those dangerous parts, like my friend Shane, Shane Smith from Vice. He's got this. When he starts talking about these places that he's been, especially the early days, like, there's like, he has an understanding of the dangers of the outside world that I think us in this little gated community we call the United States States, we're Very, very ignorant about how sideways things have gone in other parts of the world. Right now, while you're enjoying Netflix, cuddling up with your sweetheart, eating popcorn, there's parts of the world right now where someone's cutting out a child's heart to eat it before they go to battle. Like, maybe not in the same timeline, but close enough.
[90:10]
Cody Tucker
It's not. I mean, who knows? Because he's not doing it doesn't mean.
[90:13]
Joe Rogan
Who knows what's happening right now in, in certain war torn parts of the world.
[90:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[90:18]
Joe Rogan
And we just think, well, you know, what we really need is equity. We didn't worry about the climate. The climate change should be our number one priority. Like, actually, you need to stay safe. You need to fucking stay safe. And you need to understand there's a bunch of spots that aren't safe.
[90:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, well, and also, yeah, climate change, sure, worry about it. But like, that kid's gonna get his heart ripped out in the next 15 minutes. Let's go ahead and like, worry about him.
[90:44]
Joe Rogan
That's probably number one.
[90:44]
Cody Tucker
And then, yeah, let's, let's go ahead and worry about him for a little bit, then we'll go to climate after that.
[90:49]
Joe Rogan
People who are good people don't want to believe that there's bad people in the world. And I understand that reluctance. I understand, like, you have this perspective and in your world that you've cultivated, you probably are safe because you've cultivated this world of a bunch of people that share the world view of you. But when you enter into other people's spaces and you are ignorant to their culture and how crazy. Where, like, I read about this, this couple, couple, he's decided that they're going to prove that people are just good people everywhere. And they went and hung out with ISIS and they killed them. Did you read about that one? Jamie? Do you know that story?
[91:23]
Cody Tucker
That's. That is incredible.
[91:25]
Joe Rogan
I was like, you need better friends. You need better friends. You need better friends that show you some videos, you know, that show you. Like, this is what's going on in this part of the world. Like, you have to understand like it is. You need to talk to someone who's maybe served in Afghanistan. Like, you need to understand what's going on over there.
[91:42]
Cody Tucker
The problem is those people would never listen to that. They'd be like, well, you just saw the bad side of isis. Like, you got, you got ISIS on a bad day.
[91:51]
Joe Rogan
I have a lighter that my friend Chris Williamson gave me that is from my comedy club that went to Antarctica because they took a Group of people to show them that the world isn't flat. They show them the sun actually at the certain it does go around like that. You can watch it the whole time. You're like fucking completely recalibrate.
[92:11]
Cody Tucker
Like that guy that tried to launch himself up in the sky to prove it and he died.
[92:16]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that guy. He needed better friends with. All these people just need better friends. Like.
[92:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, you need.
[92:22]
Joe Rogan
You need people around you.
[92:25]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[92:25]
Joe Rogan
Don't do that.
[92:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. And just. Or to reassure them. Just tell them it's flat. Don't worry. Like it is flat. You don't gotta worry.
[92:32]
Joe Rogan
Imagine if it was like. Imagine if all those morons were right. And then everybody. All these scientists, all these saddle. All lives all in cahoots.
[92:40]
Cody Tucker
They've all been in cahoots for this whole time. They even. Was it Socrates or Aristotle? I think Aristotle that mapped it out back in 3,000 years ago.
[92:49]
Joe Rogan
This is my take on it. I firmly believe that at one point in time there was a bunch of people that were uninformed that thought the world was flat way back in the day.
[92:59]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[92:59]
Joe Rogan
Then they figured it out with experiments. And then you look at all the other bodies in the solar system. Everything else is around, around. Kind of makes sense. You realize that this is how planets are formed. Gravity spins and the whole deal. But then I think they're psyops and I think a bunch of people went on there just like they did with women with the free bleeding movement. They convinced women to just bleed all over their crotch. They convinced them and they did it by making it seem like a feminist thing. Like right these patriarchy. I don't have to wear a tampon. I'm gonna wear white pants. You look at my blood, you know. And then women actually went and did it. Because people will buy into almost anything. They just. There's a certain percentage of the population, whatever it is that's so easily. They're so suggestible. They're so easily influenced.
[93:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[93:46]
Joe Rogan
You can kind of talk them into almost anything. And I think that's part of where the flat earth thing got sideways because I think just like MK Ultra used to exist, I think there's still some. Let's find out how dumb they are. Experiments.
[93:59]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. There's also just a lot of real dumb people. People. There's also some people who like. They also want to like think that everything's a cover up. I don't.
[94:08]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
[94:09]
Cody Tucker
NASA. Like why would I trust NASA? I don't know. Why not? Like. Like we didn't go to the moon so the earth must be flat. I guess if those two things are related. I don't know. I mean. Yeah, I just.
[94:21]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that don't want to actually do research. They want to watch a YouTube video and then start talking about it. That's me. That's my favorite.
[94:30]
Cody Tucker
I'm with it. Yeah, I'm with you too. Yeah, I like a good deep dive, but sometimes. Just give me the damn bullet notes.
[94:36]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, sometimes I'm just around and I'm not really serious about whether or not I care if it's real. I'm more interested to know about these Emerald tablets. Like, where are they? Who's got them? What do they say? Like, I don't want to know. It's a hoax. But I'm only around. I'm not like completely invested in it. But when you. You start making videos about how you're correct and the world is flat and everybody else is wrong. Like, no, that's. Yeah, you're being. You're annoying. This is silly. Like you're just not seeing things correctly.
[95:05]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[95:05]
Joe Rogan
Like, yeah, there's a lot of lies. Yeah. There's a lot of conspiracies. It doesn't mean all of it. Okay. It doesn't mean the stars are actually lights in the sky. You know, A more interesting possibility is that it only exists when consciousness engages with it. And then that's. That's the real simulation theory. That's the real weird. That's. That's when things get like. Tom Campbell, you know, the. My big toe. The theory of everything. That's when things get really weird.
[95:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[95:32]
Joe Rogan
When instead of conscious consciousness is like a part of the creation of reality itself. That it's all integrated.
[95:39]
Cody Tucker
Jesus.
[95:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[95:40]
Cody Tucker
I don't like thinking about any of that stuff.
[95:42]
Joe Rogan
He weirds me out.
[95:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I don't like the like space. I leave that alone. I don't know. Space. Cuz also like what happened before, like. And then what happened before that there's.
[95:55]
Joe Rogan
An environment before the Big Bang.
[95:58]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[95:58]
Joe Rogan
I think they call it the environment. Isn't that what it's called? Yeah. What did they call it? Brian Cox was explaining it to us. I was like, what?
[96:07]
Cody Tucker
Oh God. Yeah.
[96:08]
Joe Rogan
Like they then all theoretical, of course.
[96:10]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Yeah. Which is the problem. Cuz then like sometimes it's just. I don't know, like I. I couldn't have that be. Which, you know, great for like those people. I could not have that be. My life is. Is coming up with these theorems and, like, studying them because you're never going to get an answer.
[96:25]
Joe Rogan
But it doesn't have to be you. I'm glad it's not you.
[96:28]
Cody Tucker
Oh, well, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
[96:29]
Joe Rogan
I'm glad you do what you do. It's like.
[96:32]
Cody Tucker
Exactly. No, I'm. I'm glad that they do it. I'm just saying, like, for me, it would drive me.
[96:36]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[96:36]
Cody Tucker
Absolutely. Because I can't. I have to, like, know an answer.
[96:39]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[96:40]
Cody Tucker
I can't. I hate, like, hypotheticals and like.
[96:44]
Joe Rogan
Like string theory.
[96:45]
Cody Tucker
Hate it. That. That could piss off. I don't need to know any about that. That one's weird. Yeah. Any of that stuff. I like, I like this happened on this day. This is who was involved. This is what happened.
[96:56]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[96:56]
Cody Tucker
Hard. That kind of stuff.
[96:59]
Joe Rogan
Well, space is the ultimate. Who the knows? Because we can only see so far. We see so far, but even so far is only so far.
[97:07]
Cody Tucker
Well, and then they're saying, like, it's always expanding. Was that. That. That can't be true because, like, what is it expanding into if space is space? You know, if they're like, oh, it's like blowing up a balloon where everything's okay, well, you're blowing up a balloon in a room.
[97:20]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[97:20]
Cody Tucker
So what's the room that you're blowing the balloon.
[97:22]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[97:22]
Cody Tucker
And then that's in a bigger room. And then that's.
[97:24]
Joe Rogan
Right. And then there's the concept that it's actually finite. It's not infinite and it's some sort of donut shape. It's like, goes back around eventually.
[97:34]
Cody Tucker
But then who made all this? Like, is there a God? Did God make this?
[97:38]
Joe Rogan
Or is God the universe?
[97:40]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, but then who made God? And then that bothers me.
[97:43]
Joe Rogan
Right, because is that a thing that we think that, like, because we were born and we die, that we have these biological limitations that we attach to the universe itself.
[97:57]
Cody Tucker
That's. That's a very. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. That we just. We see things as being built and destroyed.
[98:03]
Joe Rogan
That there's always been something. Wouldn't it be crazy if there wasn't something at one point in time seems even crazier then there always has been. Something. Because if it's just something, if it's just the nature of everything, there is always something. Right?
[98:17]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[98:18]
Joe Rogan
It couldn't be nothing. And then all of a sudden, everything that seems.
[98:22]
Cody Tucker
Because what started that? What kicked that off, exactly what snapped its fingers?
[98:25]
Joe Rogan
Like, that's McKenna's great line. Terence McKenna had a great line about the difference between science and religion. Is that science only asks you for one mirror. I want you to believe in one miracle. The Big bang.
[98:36]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
[98:39]
Joe Rogan
It's a great line. It's because it really is true. And it's funny because people would be incredulous about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but yet they're convinced that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pen and for no reason than anybody's adequately explained to me. Makes sense.
[98:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[98:56]
Joe Rogan
No, instantaneously became everything thing. Yeah, yeah, okay.
[99:02]
Cody Tucker
I can't buy that.
[99:03]
Joe Rogan
I'm sticking with Jesus on that one. Like, Jesus makes more sense.
[99:07]
Cody Tucker
It makes sense.
[99:08]
Joe Rogan
People have come back to life. Like, in fact, you were. One of your videos was about a woman who was hung.
[99:15]
Cody Tucker
Oh, yeah, yeah, tell that one. Was it Nancy Green or Anne Green? I think Anne Green, yeah. She was. She had basically a miscarriage. And you know, at the time it was basically like, oh, you're a witch. We're going to kill you because your baby not it didn't live. So she just buried the thing, acted like nothing happened. They tried her, convicted her.
[99:36]
Joe Rogan
So she had a miscarriage, buried the child.
[99:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, they caught her thinking that she had killed the kid. Like, why would you be just burying your baby? Like, they weren't really thinking that. Oh, yeah, she had a miscarriage. Hunger. I mean, as far as they're. They know she's dead. Put her in a box, wooden box, take her to a mortuary and the guys, you know, know getting her ready to prep her to barrier and she wakes back up after they start doing like they feel. Well, they feel like a faint pulse and they're like, oh my God, this woman's so alive. But she's not like coherent and alert. So they start giving her like a tobacco smoke enemas, which. Oh, got to be a great idea.
[100:13]
Joe Rogan
How do you go to that one first?
[100:14]
Cody Tucker
Well, I don't know. I think I got an idea. I mean, slapping the hell out of her probably was.
[100:20]
Joe Rogan
And a pack of mar.
[100:21]
Cody Tucker
There it is. Yeah. Pouring hot. Yeah, yeah, they poured this, which I don't know what cordial. I think it's just some sort of like liquid.
[100:27]
Joe Rogan
Any. But is that what. Just liquid?
[100:29]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I don't know why.
[100:30]
Joe Rogan
Invigorating or stimulating preparation. That's intended for medicinal purpose. The term derives from obsolete usage.
[100:36]
Cody Tucker
It's basically Robitussin. Yeah.
[100:38]
C
Some sort of alcohol, I think.
[100:39]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Some hot buffalo trace. Let's go, lady. Rubbing her limbs and extremities. Bloodletting.
[100:46]
Cody Tucker
Always a good option.
[100:47]
Joe Rogan
Pullets, pus.
[100:49]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I didn't know about the poultice.
[100:50]
Joe Rogan
What is that? A moist mass.
[100:54]
Cody Tucker
So like a. So basically putting like a. Like a hot, you know, soft materials, like cereals.
[100:59]
Joe Rogan
Okay.
[101:00]
Cody Tucker
Cereal.
[101:02]
Joe Rogan
So they put oatmeal materials, like cereals used as a base.
[101:05]
Cody Tucker
So they put oatmeal on her big bowl of oatmeal. Yeah, yeah.
[101:09]
Joe Rogan
Tobacco. They're just experimenting. This lady, the tobacco smoke enema to me is the wildest one. Like, he went up with a cigar. Is that what you did, you weirdo?
[101:17]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, like a backdoor. Clinton.
[101:19]
Joe Rogan
That's a guy that wanted to smoke a cigarette in the operating rooms. Like. I know.
[101:22]
C
Blow some smoke up your ass.
[101:23]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. That might be.
[101:25]
Joe Rogan
Oh, my God. That's literally it.
[101:27]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[101:27]
Joe Rogan
You blowing smoke up my ass. Blowing smoke up your ass is supposed to be deceiving you.
[101:32]
Cody Tucker
Well, that's probably.
[101:33]
C
They probably found out it was some.
[101:34]
Joe Rogan
Right, right, right.
[101:35]
C
Are you still trying to do that?
[101:36]
Cody Tucker
He's just an ass freak.
[101:38]
Joe Rogan
That happened because a lot of. More, too politicians have been freaks. Like, that's one. That famous Sam Kinison bit.
[101:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[101:45]
Joe Rogan
It was one of the greatest bits of all.
[101:46]
C
Started talking after 12 hours.
[101:48]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[101:49]
C
Started eating food.
[101:50]
Joe Rogan
That's nuts.
[101:51]
C
So, like, recovered.
[101:53]
Joe Rogan
She came back from the dead. You tell me Jesus can't.
[101:56]
Cody Tucker
Well, Jesus. It was after three days. I feel like after three days, you already.
[102:00]
Joe Rogan
People were tougher back then, bro.
[102:01]
Cody Tucker
Well, that's true. Two thousand years ago, people were tough. They had some gumption to them.
[102:06]
Joe Rogan
Well, they're probably also 2,000 years less evolved, so it's probably stronger. Stronger.
[102:11]
Cody Tucker
Stronger.
[102:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, like, more robust. Oh, they're able to survive. If you survived 2,000 years ago, I just would imagine, like, you're going through some tough times. Yeah. You know, like, you can't. You can't have, like. There's no bad genes back then. Nobody makes it.
[102:25]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. And Jesus went through some stuff by the time he hit 33.
[102:29]
Joe Rogan
I just think human beings probably. We're probably dealing with a very robust gene pool. The people that did live, you know.
[102:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Yeah.
[102:37]
Joe Rogan
Especially if you go back earlier and earlier. Like, you go way back.
[102:41]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Because they were basically doing, like, survival of the fittest. I mean, it was. That was life. You know, if you have a kid who comes out all gimpy, you just throw that off that cliff.
[102:49]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They're dead. You sacrifice them. You do it. They can't be held down. You know, the. I was watching this YouTube clip yesterday on CRO Magna, man. Like, the early Homo sapiens who killed off a lot of the Neanderthals. Like, the battle with the end. Like, there were just these massive Icelandic type dudes.
[103:08]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[103:09]
Joe Rogan
That lived back then. Like, you ought to be tough to survive thousands of years ago, especially if.
[103:15]
Cody Tucker
You lived in the north like that. Can you imagine being a Viking, just living in, like, Iceland, Greenland.
[103:21]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Your. Your house is made out of sticks and there's polar bears outside.
[103:24]
Cody Tucker
God, and it just sucks. There's nothing to do. I don't know. I wouldn't like that one bit. I'm real glad I live right now. I would have liked to have lived a couple, like, decades back. I think I fit. I think I'd be more comfortable, like, in the 70s or 80s.
[103:40]
Joe Rogan
I think you're perfect right here, dude.
[103:41]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[103:42]
Joe Rogan
You get more research, information now.
[103:44]
Cody Tucker
That's true.
[103:44]
Joe Rogan
Be harder to do your job back then.
[103:49]
Cody Tucker
Well, everybody already does.
[103:50]
Joe Rogan
Tucker's full of man making stuff up about the past.
[103:54]
Cody Tucker
That's what most people already think I'm doing anyways, which is fine.
[103:58]
Joe Rogan
I mean, well, how do you research it? Like, how do you find crazy facts?
[104:02]
Cody Tucker
I just. Will one just read, like, books constantly. So, like, I'll say, like, Napoleon. I'll be like, all right, let me find a book on Napoleon. Read about Napoleon. And I'm mostly just skimming through, looking to, like, find something that seems interesting. Or then I'll just Google, like, interesting about Napoleon and then read through it. Half of it's not true, so I got to sift through that and then put it all together into, like, kind of a story and do it that way. But, yeah, it's mostly just reading, like, articles online. Like, scholarly articles, I guess you'd say. Just, like, flipping through them until I found something.
[104:38]
Joe Rogan
Imagine trying to piece through the truth of the 1700s. Just imagine.
[104:45]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[104:46]
Joe Rogan
I mean, right now, like, try to figure out exactly what happened.
[104:51]
Cody Tucker
It's. I mean, there. There it was some good, like. Yeah, sure. Notate.
[104:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[104:57]
Cody Tucker
What's going on? But how would you know?
[104:59]
Joe Rogan
I mean, barely know.
[105:00]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, really, you don't even have to go back. Go back to the 20s, right? Like, who. Who now is gonna be like, oh, yeah, that did happen.
[105:08]
Joe Rogan
Well, yeah. I mean, but at least we have, like, photographs and stuff. But my point.
[105:13]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[105:14]
Joe Rogan
Was gonna be now take it back a couple thousand years ago. Like, good luck.
[105:20]
Cody Tucker
Well, that's why so many people think some, you know, have a hard time knowing for sure whether some people even existed. Like Achilles. Like, people, you know, still believe that he necessarily existed. I mean, they didn't believe that entire war happened until, like, relatively recently.
[105:36]
Joe Rogan
Well, they didn't find Troy until like, what year? Like, Troy was supposed to be just a mythical place. Exactly.
[105:43]
Cody Tucker
I. I don't know. A date. I'm thinking the 50s, if I had to guess. I think it was like, kind of close. But yeah, they. They just knew.
[105:50]
Joe Rogan
Less than 100 years ago.
[105:51]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I think so. I mean, because.
[105:53]
Joe Rogan
Which is nuts.
[105:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, they just knew Homer, they said the Iliad, the Odyssey and those things and thought it was all big. Because then if you know that that war is true, like, once you've discovered that that did happen, then it's like, so was Achilles real? So it's like Agamemnon real? Like, it's like hard to know is Odysseus real? And then.
[106:11]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[106:11]
Cody Tucker
But obviously there's things in there that aren't real.
[106:13]
Joe Rogan
You know, that's what's weird, right? It's like there's some for sure fiction, I think, but maybe not. Maybe the world was way weirder back then.
[106:22]
Cody Tucker
Could be. Maybe all those weird things got killed off.
[106:24]
Joe Rogan
I mean, right. That's the thing. It's like, maybe there were like almost godlike creatures that existed that we are, you know, we want to call Zeus or Hercules. Or maybe this is just like years and years and years of retelling stuff. Because, like, Homer's take on Atlantis is one of the most fascinating. I've been obsessed with Atlantis ever since, particularly I had Jimmy Corsetti on the podcast and have you ever seen his videos on the Reichardt?
[106:52]
Cody Tucker
That.
[106:52]
Joe Rogan
How you say it, Jamie? Richard. Richard. Structure. There's this area in sub Saharan Africa that has all of the attributes of Atlantis, including its position where the mountains are to the north, where the river is to the south, the concentric rings. It literally is the same size as described, the concentric rings. It looks like a complete anomaly. It does not look like something that's naturally occurring. And the entire area looks like it's. When you look at it from an aerial satellite photo, it looks like it's blown out by water. Like immense amounts of water rush through the land. Like the whole area. Area looked massive water erosion. Like, when you look at it from above, it looks like it just got hit with the most insane flood of all time. There's literally salt, there's white all around the area where this Richard structure is, which was probably from the ocean, Right?
[107:51]
Cody Tucker
For sure. Yeah.
[107:53]
Joe Rogan
This to this day. And also evidence of human habitation. They found pottery, they found a bunch of things but there's. It's a kind of sketchy area of the world. And I don't think there's been a of lot. A lot of like real excavation done there. But it. Look at it from the top. And I. I recommend everybody go to Bright Insights YouTube page and just watch some of the videos he has on it. And he's not saying it's for sure this, but he, he. And it's not just him, it's many other people. This is the area. Show it. The image of it from space.
[108:21]
Cody Tucker
Jesus Christ.
[108:22]
Joe Rogan
Because there's. It's crazy, dude. It literally looks like how Atlantis was described with concentric circles. But crazier still is its position to the mountains, which are in the north and the south, where the river runs through. It's literally exactly as described. And if you look at the image from. But look how it all looks blown out, man. It all looks completely washed out.
[108:48]
Cody Tucker
That is crazy.
[108:50]
Joe Rogan
Watch how you go further out. Look at that. Tell me.
[108:52]
Cody Tucker
Oh, the whole thing.
[108:53]
Joe Rogan
The whole thing. It looks like the whole thing is just scarred from water. Just a massive amount of water.
[109:00]
Cody Tucker
That's crazy. So from a. Yeah, that is from.
[109:04]
Joe Rogan
The position where it is, the description of it, the. The actual dimensions of it. Yeah, everything about it, man. Even the descriptions of it and like the colors of the rocks that are in that area. It matches so many details.
[109:19]
Cody Tucker
Oh, it's a Mauritania. Okay. Yeah.
[109:21]
Joe Rogan
Is that nuts?
[109:22]
Cody Tucker
That is amazing. Look at. I mean, that's.
[109:25]
Joe Rogan
Again, shout out to Jimmy Corsetti. Because once, because, Because Randall Carlson dismissed this, but I was like, how are you dismissing this? I don't understand.
[109:33]
Cody Tucker
I mean, dismissing it based on.
[109:34]
Joe Rogan
He doesn't think that this is Atlantis. He thinks Atlantis is somewhere else. Maybe he's right. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there was more than one. I mean, when a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and, you know, you don't have computers, like, it's real possible that the myth of Atlantis you're talking about, like a civilization that existed at a certain point in time, and it might not have just been this one incredible city, but it's probably multiple cities that existed that just don't exist anymore, just completely flattened. And then some people remembered this one. You know, that's also part of the equation that you have to look at when you see that kind of insane water erosion. Like, how much did people just have no recollection of?
[110:17]
Cody Tucker
Right, right, right.
[110:18]
Joe Rogan
But it's all lines up. Numbers wise. This is what's nuts. Homer was talking about it being 9,000 years old. That's 2,000 years ago. That's at the time of the Younger Dryas impact theory. It's the same time period.
[110:32]
Cody Tucker
Right. So, yeah, lines up perfectly for it.
[110:35]
Joe Rogan
It lines up perfectly. The description is perfect, the position is perfect. Again, I'm a moron. But don't listen to me. Go listen to other people that are interested in it because I, I became fat. I probably watched 30 videos on it.
[110:46]
Cody Tucker
It's wild because it's so cool.
[110:49]
Joe Rogan
It looks like Atlantis. It looks like the way they described it. God, there's so many people that are resisting, though. It was a. There's a really interesting thing in archaeology where there's, you know, there's not disrespectful to archaeology. It's an amazing thing. I'm glad you guys are out there, but there's a lot of people that do not want. Want anyone to find something out before they have, and they do not want anyone to uncover something before that they have. Especially if these people are not credentialed academics, they're not PhDs, they're not doctors, or I'm Dr. Smith and I'm out here finding this. You know, they, they don't want like regular people looking at Google images and going, hey, what the fuck is this? And let's go and do it. And then like, let's look at the history of the description of the place. Actually, it lines up exactly. They don't want to have missed that, so they'll try to dismiss it with every fiber of their being rather than give ground and give credibility to these amateurs.
[111:43]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's what happens in like the. With like this true crime community people, you know, because they'll sometimes like, bust a case wide open. Cops and detectives hate it because it's like you're just a guy sitting on your couch at home and you did more than what I did. But, you know, obviously, like a detective has all these different cases. Like, they're not gonna, they're gonna to make a few mistakes and some probably do just not give a ego. Yeah, yeah, but. But that's part of. Is that they will just dismiss the leads because somebody will like, call in and be like, hey, like, have y' all checked this person on this date? Like, ask where they were? And they're like, we did it. Don't worry about it. And of course they never did. So it is. So that is kind of similar situation. Like, like, we want, we want to be the ones to find it. Not you. So we don't care that you gone out and done your own thing.
[112:29]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
[112:30]
Cody Tucker
And have a theory that may be true. I mean, maybe bullshit, but it may be true.
[112:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[112:34]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's, that's interesting.
[112:36]
Joe Rogan
It is very interesting. The whole thing's very interesting because clearly we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle laid out and there are people that want to pretend that we do, and that's just not the case. Yeah, there's just. There's too much weird stuff and there's too much time that passed. And the weird stuff is like Gobekli tepe and these 11,000 year old structures and a bunch of stuff that they're finding in Malta. The Malta stuff's nuts, but it's also, it's just, there's no way you can know. Like, if you, if you're an expert in like combustion engines and you want to break down, you know, the, the new Coyote 5.0 that Ford makes and you're an expert in engines. I'm going to listen to you because I don't know how it works. How does it work? Why is it so good? How's the supercharger work? And then it does what? Okay, how do you control all that? And with the ECU and the traction control. Okay, because you're an expert in that, but you can't be an expert in the entire history of the human race because we don't have all the information. So you're bullshitting. You at least have to be kind of bullshitting. Yeah, like we just found out super recently that there was human beings definitely in North America 22,000 years ago. Yeah, super recently.
[113:42]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I thought it was even past, like earlier than that.
[113:46]
Joe Rogan
Could be. Maybe they've updated, I thought, but. Well, I know the footprint, those New Mexico footprints. The New Mexico footprints, I believe are 22,000 years ago.
[113:55]
Cody Tucker
So what did they think before that?
[113:56]
Joe Rogan
Thirteen. That was Clovis first. That was the people that thought the Clovis people. But again, you don't fucking know.
[114:03]
Cody Tucker
Well, it wasn't, I mean, that long ago when people found out about like the Vikings coming over to New England. I mean. Yes, you know, that was a somewhat recent discovery. I mean, obviously not like in the past couple years, but it was, it was not very well known. That like Leif Ericson's. I guess it was Eric the Red. Yeah. So Leif Erickson, like coming over, you know, 500 years before Columbus.
[114:25]
Joe Rogan
I know. Isn't that nuts?
[114:26]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. And then they were here. I mean, they just didn't settle North America. Significant. But, you know, they were here. And so who's to say that there weren't people way before them? And then there's all these different routes you can take. And there's ideas of, like, the Phoenicians coming, or maybe the Egyptians, like, coming into South America, you know, even longer than that, like thousands of years ago. Yeah, there's those theories which. Yeah. Who knows? I don't know.
[114:49]
Joe Rogan
Well, there's also all the stuff in the Amazon. Right. The lost city of Z, like that stuff.
[114:54]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[114:55]
Joe Rogan
That's crazy.
[114:55]
Cody Tucker
That's amazing. Have you ever seen that movie?
[114:57]
Joe Rogan
Yes, yes. I read the book too. What's interesting about the story about the lost city of Z is that it all changed in a hundred years.
[115:07]
Cody Tucker
Years.
[115:09]
Joe Rogan
So it's true in the 1500s that first guy goes and he gives everybody cooties and he doesn't know. And then he come. They come back a hundred years later to see if he was telling the truth. And everybody's dead, right? Everybody's dead. And all the cities are gone in 100 years.
[115:24]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[115:25]
Joe Rogan
And they're like, I was bullshitting. We got. There's no cities made out of gold. Guy's an. Because the jungle ate it.
[115:31]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Which a hundred years is such a long time for like, that kind of like.
[115:36]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Wooden structures.
[115:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, that's not a. Yeah. It's not the middle of the desert where, you know, those structures will last for thousands of years.
[115:44]
Joe Rogan
I mean, what was that like? Because I forget the gentleman's name. Who was the first explorer?
[115:49]
C
Percy Fawcett.
[115:50]
Joe Rogan
Thank you. Percy Fawcett. The first guy. No, that was the second guy.
[115:54]
C
He's the guy that disappeared.
[115:55]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[115:56]
Joe Rogan
He was the guy that got eight in the movie.
[115:58]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. Like the Rockefeller kid. Yeah.
[116:02]
C
It says he's the one that formulated the idea about a lost city named Z.
[116:05]
Joe Rogan
Right. But who was the first explorer to the Amazon that reported these incredible cities? Because that was in the 1500s, I think. Percy Fawcett. No.
[116:13]
Cody Tucker
Was it somebody, like, found a document.
[116:15]
Joe Rogan
It was a European guy who was a explorer who went specifically to try to travel the length of the Amazon River.
[116:21]
C
It's believed to have been written by a Portuguese named Jo da Silva Gumeras, 1753.
[116:29]
Joe Rogan
1753.
[116:30]
C
That he had discovered the ruins of an ancient city. That's right.
[116:33]
Joe Rogan
No, there was a guy from the 1500.
[116:35]
C
This is what I'm reading it from Wikipedia.
[116:36]
Joe Rogan
No, I understand, but I was watching this video where they were talking about this guy who was initially from the 1500s, who was the first to describe what he saw there, and that he saw thriving populations, like incredibly sophisticated agricultural setups. These people, they lived in harmony with the rainforest forest. In some strange way, like, instead of like. Because what the video was about was about they were trying to reconcile how you could get enormous populations of people that lived in this area without the kind of agriculture that we assume you need to have in order to support these kind of populations.
[117:14]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, exactly.
[117:14]
Joe Rogan
So they did something different and integrated somehow with the rainforest. And it was also about that stuff that Kamcock has talked about, about terra preta, the type of soil that they had created. It's a man made, like, composted soil.
[117:28]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[117:29]
Joe Rogan
And they talked about this too. But in this documentary they were going over the guy who came in the 1500s, and the guy who visited it might have been the Y Files.
[117:39]
C
I'm seeing a known Italian navigator, Christopher Columbus, enters the area in 1498, known as present day Venezuela. Two years later, Pinzon sails into the Amazon. So the same year, Brazil is being accidentally found by Portuguese explorer Cabral while en route to the Orient. Forty years later, a guy named Orellana.
[118:02]
Joe Rogan
God, I wish I could remember the name of the guy.
[118:04]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[118:05]
Joe Rogan
But the point is, the first people to go there that were Europeans, that went back to Europe described these insanely sophisticated cultures that had millions of people, people living in it.
[118:16]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[118:16]
Joe Rogan
They had huge populations.
[118:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[118:18]
Joe Rogan
And they talked about the elaborate headgear they wore, like, they. The way they dressed, and there was gold everywhere. And so everybody was like, oh, we're gonna go back and get rich. And they went back and everyone was dead.
[118:30]
Cody Tucker
That's so crazy. Could you imagine, like, you'd feel like such a jackass, you know, having everybody come back there and you're.
[118:37]
Joe Rogan
Well, it's essentially what we did with North America too. Not we. I mean, well, my parents, my grandparents came here in the 20s, but yeah, essentially when Europeans came here, that's what killed. Just disease, killed 90% of Native Americans.
[118:50]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Which is. I mean, it was the same in like, the Indies.
[118:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[118:54]
Cody Tucker
Whenever Columbus came everywhere, just massive amounts of people, just like China did to us.
[118:59]
Joe Rogan
Just kidding, just kidding. Not really they didn't, but they killed a lot of things. But it's just bizarre that we've missed that chapter. And it wasn't until lidar that they started to realize, like, oh, there's like sophisticated grid work down here that seems to indicate that there was. There's aqueducts. It seems like there's, like, places where there Was channels and paths and.
[119:29]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, well, we have, like. I mean, there's obviously like a Euro. Eurocentric idea, but a lot of the times and where we think, like, oh, we're the only ones who could have ever come up with, like, these advanced technologies and, like, have these advanced civilizations. And you look. And it was like, in Africa there was all sorts of, like, massive civilizations and.
[119:48]
Joe Rogan
Which is about the Aztecs.
[119:49]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. And then, of course, like, yeah, South America is a huge. I mean, like the Olmecs, Aztecs, Mayans.
[119:55]
Joe Rogan
I mean, especially the Aztecs, though. Yeah.
[119:58]
Cody Tucker
The Aztecs is a nuts, man.
[120:01]
Joe Rogan
Their stuff was nuts. Like, could you imagine what experiencing that must have been? Like, the first people that were, like, Europeans that, like, stumbled upon these immense Aztec cities. Like, what is happening here?
[120:11]
Cody Tucker
That was Cortez. Cortez was the first, I think. I think for the Aztecs. Yeah.
[120:16]
Joe Rogan
On horse, where they thought he was a God.
[120:17]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[120:20]
Joe Rogan
That's the other nutty thing that we brought horses over here. Like what? Yeah, like, they used to be over here. And then they all died off. And then we brought them back.
[120:29]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. God, no, that's crazy. So great. You know, Thomas Jefferson brought Mac and cheese here. He's the guy made it popular. I mean, like, it was like, nobody ate that. He went to Paris, you know, obviously, like, for pre American revolution to get some buddies going and. Yeah. Brought back Mac and cheese. Also, like, one of the first Americans to cultivate tomatoes.
[120:49]
Joe Rogan
People thought.
[120:49]
Cody Tucker
People thought they were poisonous, which to an extent they are. I mean, it's.
[120:53]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I was reading about that. Like, that you should be. Really avoid nightshades.
[120:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's a nice. That's all I was trying to plant.
[120:58]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but wait a minute.
[121:00]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, but they taste so good.
[121:02]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. How dare you.
[121:03]
Cody Tucker
I mean, every Italian in this. In the world, just. Yeah, yeah.
[121:07]
Joe Rogan
I want to get, like, one of those blood work things done to see, like, what foods you're. You're supposed to not be eating forever. You're. You know, it's probably horseshit, but, you know, like, for your blood to type, you know that.
[121:17]
Cody Tucker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[121:18]
Joe Rogan
I did one of those a long time ago, and they told me to avoid avocados. And I'm like, you what?
[121:22]
Cody Tucker
The avocados are like, isn't that, like, good for everyone? Like, who.
[121:25]
Joe Rogan
That's what I thought it was one of them wacky things where I was very skeptical going into. I'm like, all right, I'll try it. Let's see what I. What I should. And should Be eating. Well, it seems like avocados. Like what are you talking about?
[121:36]
Cody Tucker
That's insane.
[121:37]
Joe Rogan
I'm not stomping guacamole.
[121:38]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. You know, I. I couldn't be. No, no, I can't.
[121:43]
Joe Rogan
It's. There's no way it's that bad for you.
[121:44]
Cody Tucker
Avocados are very good. Or I. From what I thought weird genetic defect.
[121:50]
Joe Rogan
Would you have to have where avocados are killing you. That seems crazy.
[121:53]
Cody Tucker
I mean, you know peanuts. I mean, you know, Texas Rodales damn near had a damn near one Bankrupt over all that stuff.
[122:00]
Joe Rogan
Really?
[122:00]
Cody Tucker
Kind of. I mean, but they don't do.
[122:02]
Joe Rogan
The vaccine companies should have. But you can.
[122:07]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But they don't do the whole. You know, used to go in there and crush up your peanuts and you just dump that shit on the floor.
[122:15]
Joe Rogan
They used to have them at five guys. Used to go to five guys. Peanuts.
[122:19]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[122:19]
Joe Rogan
Not anymore. Everybody's dying.
[122:21]
Cody Tucker
I know.
[122:21]
Joe Rogan
Can't even eat them in the room. Because if someone is near you that has a severe peanut allergy. That's why they don't have them on planes anymore. Remember they used to have them on planes.
[122:28]
Cody Tucker
Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[122:30]
Joe Rogan
You can't even eat peanut. Like if. If you and I were sitting next to each other on a plane and I have a severe peanut allergy and you start eating, I could die just sitting next to you, breathing your peanutty air.
[122:41]
Cody Tucker
God, what a great way to kill someone if you really wanted to and get away with it.
[122:45]
Joe Rogan
I didn't know.
[122:45]
Cody Tucker
Just peanut dust somewhere. Yeah. Pocket peanuts. Yeah.
[122:54]
Joe Rogan
Some smashed up peanuts you toss on them. God, what a anthrax.
[122:58]
Cody Tucker
Great way to kill someone.
[122:59]
Joe Rogan
It is nuts. Like for everybody else it's just yummy. Part of Snickers and for you it's.
[123:03]
Cody Tucker
Basically anthrax is because I'm allergic to seafood. Like shellfish. Any shellfish.
[123:09]
Joe Rogan
Really.
[123:10]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah.
[123:10]
Joe Rogan
You know you're also allergic to roaches. Then you can't eat roaches. You know how we found that out?
[123:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, Fear factor. Oh, oh, really? That was from that.
[123:20]
Joe Rogan
That's how I found that out.
[123:21]
Cody Tucker
Well, because there is a thing where scientists who research cockroaches develop usually tend to develop an allergy to coffee and to roaches and I think also to shellfish.
[123:32]
Joe Rogan
Wow.
[123:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Like. Because they're. Well, they're just studying roaches constantly, which. What a job. But yeah, they end up be developing a coffee allergy. But. But yeah, that's interesting.
[123:42]
Joe Rogan
Why coffee? Because they're just drinking coffee all the time.
[123:44]
Cody Tucker
I don't know. I think, I mean, probably because roaches are. Yeah.
[123:49]
Joe Rogan
Wow. Coffee. Some people can develop analogy to coffee if they're also allergic to cockroaches. So they. The becoming allergic to cockroaches. Working with them is what makes them allergic to. So it's tropomyosin.
[124:01]
Cody Tucker
Tropomyosin.
[124:01]
Joe Rogan
Tropomyosin. A common allergen cross reactivity means individuals allergic to cockroaches may also experience allergic reactions when consuming coffee, particularly pre ground coffee.
[124:12]
Cody Tucker
See, in my mind, I thought it was because there was a bunch of cockroaches in pre ground coffee. Ew. There's bugs and there are ground up.
[124:19]
Joe Rogan
Cockroaches in your morning coffee. Jesus Christ. You're right. Oh, no. Bug parts and ground coffee. So it's ground coffee. Just get some black rifle beans. Kids, stay away from ground coffee. Ground coffee is for savages.
[124:34]
Cody Tucker
Like, what are you doing, Folgers?
[124:35]
Joe Rogan
Grind that up.
[124:36]
Cody Tucker
No, you got a good, good.
[124:38]
Joe Rogan
You drink Folgers?
[124:39]
Cody Tucker
I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I'd drink Maxwell House. I don't know. I mean, I'm. I grew up poor and.
[124:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but coffee's not expensive. Expensive? It's only expensive at Starbucks.
[124:50]
Cody Tucker
That's true.
[124:51]
Joe Rogan
Like regular car. But like buy a bag of beans, get a grinder, pour hot water, get it in one of these French press.
[124:57]
Cody Tucker
My God.
[124:57]
Joe Rogan
Push that down after a minute. Oh, wait a minute. You want to hear it? Here, listen to this.
[125:01]
Cody Tucker
Okay. That does actually sound. That sounds incredible.
[125:11]
Joe Rogan
Delicious.
[125:12]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[125:13]
Joe Rogan
That's real coffee. You don't want that ground up both. Unless you do. Unless. You know what's legit though? Those little packets that Starbucks has. Or it's. It's like instant coffee.
[125:22]
Cody Tucker
Those are legit.
[125:23]
Joe Rogan
They figured that out. They, they did a really good job of like developing that formula. I think it's called. Is it called a Vero or something like that? What's that? Starbucks instant coffee. It's very legit. Like I've mixed it up with hot water on camping trips and hunting trips and stuff. It's like, this is pretty good.
[125:40]
Cody Tucker
That's not bad.
[125:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's good.
[125:41]
Cody Tucker
Good.
[125:41]
Joe Rogan
It's like it tastes like real coffee.
[125:43]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[125:44]
Joe Rogan
But I think like that was complicated to me. I don't think like the cheaper instant coffee has that kind of.
[125:49]
Cody Tucker
I'm sure not.
[125:50]
Joe Rogan
Because if you like coffee, like, I like the flavor. I like what it tastes like.
[125:54]
Cody Tucker
Yes, I do too. It just gives me panic attacks.
[125:57]
Joe Rogan
Do you try the. Well, and then there's the Decaf.
[125:59]
Cody Tucker
Decaf gives me a headache, and I don't know how they did it.
[126:02]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[126:03]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[126:03]
Joe Rogan
How you doing that?
[126:04]
Cody Tucker
Yes. Like what? Like, it's not like you can go in and pick out the cafe, you know, it's not like. Like, what are you doing, an ingredient in there? Like, you're putting it through some sort of chemical process.
[126:14]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[126:15]
Cody Tucker
Like, is that safe? I don't think so. I think.
[126:17]
Joe Rogan
And how many studies have been done on your decaffeination process?
[126:21]
Cody Tucker
No, I just drink tea. I'm a big tea guy.
[126:24]
Joe Rogan
Also, like, what? Tea tastes better if I was just gonna drink. Like, if I had a. But also, tea tea bags have microplastics. You've been reading all that?
[126:32]
Cody Tucker
Oh, well, I have so much plastic inside of me. I mean, I know. I mean, the amount of lunchables I've eaten. Yeah, I know.
[126:41]
Joe Rogan
The amount of times you put Saran Wrap over a microwave meal.
[126:45]
Cody Tucker
Oh, my God, so many times you just heat things up in, like, plastic that's all broken to and you're always, Always.
[126:52]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And then it melts because you left it in there too long. Oh. Oh, well, it's okay.
[126:56]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I've eaten food that tasted like burnt plastic. I was like, I don't think this macaroni and cheese is supposed to taste.
[127:02]
Joe Rogan
Like this, but there was some sort of article that was saying that many human beings have as much as a plastic. Like, coffee spoon worth of plastic in their head. Yeah, in their head.
[127:15]
Cody Tucker
How's it get up there?
[127:17]
Joe Rogan
Blood, brain barrier, microplastics that microplastics get in your bloodstream. This could be like the sky is falling. You're all gonna die from plasma. It could be. It's hard to know because it's not like, how many brains have you looked at?
[127:32]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah, and then also, like, it's not like there is an actual spoon shoved in your head. I mean, it's all spread out.
[127:37]
Joe Rogan
It's all spread out, but also, like, do you have room for a spoonful of plastic in your head? Because I don't have any room.
[127:42]
Cody Tucker
I think you do in your brain. Your brain's mostly water. I mean, not just you. I'm not. Not insulting you, but what your brain.
[127:48]
Joe Rogan
Filter looks like if there's plastic everywhere. Concentrations we saw in the brain tissue of normal individuals had an average age of around 45, 50 years old were 4800 micrograms per gram, or 0.48% by weight. It's the equivalent to an entire standard plastic spoon in your head compared to autopsy brain samples from 2016. That's about 50% higher. He said that would mean that our brains today are 99.5% brain and the rest is plastic.
[128:19]
Cody Tucker
That's not bad. That's a good percentage point.5%. It's not bad.
[128:25]
Joe Rogan
However, the current methods of measuring plastics may have over or underestimated their levels in the body camp and said, we're working hard to get a very precise estimate, which I should think we will have within the next year.
[128:36]
Cody Tucker
So it may be zero and it may be.
[128:38]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, sorry.
[128:38]
Cody Tucker
10%.
[128:39]
Joe Rogan
There's no plastic at all in there. It's all in your balls, you know, plastic in your balls.
[128:43]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I need some of that.
[128:44]
Joe Rogan
They found that there's plastic balls. It clumps them up a little bit like fake lips, you know.
[128:48]
Cody Tucker
Id. Yeah. Need that desperately.
[128:50]
Joe Rogan
So, you know, like when chicks get fillers to hide the wrinkles. Plumps your balls up a little bit.
[128:55]
Cody Tucker
I'm cool.
[128:55]
Joe Rogan
Microwave dinner.
[128:56]
Cody Tucker
Plastic. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
[129:00]
Joe Rogan
It's like one. We were. We were going over this. What was it every month? It was a credit card or a week.
[129:06]
Cody Tucker
I've seen this. Yeah, it's a month, I think. Credit card, amount of plastic consumed.
[129:12]
Joe Rogan
I don't remember it's a week or a month. But it's something crazy. We're like, where's it all going? Because I've been eating for a long time. Where are these credit cards?
[129:19]
Cody Tucker
Do you not just out the plastic. Credit card.
[129:21]
Joe Rogan
I would hope so.
[129:23]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[129:23]
Joe Rogan
I would hope so.
[129:24]
C
Remember how this was studied, though? I had to dig into it and they had studied like an animal or something and found it in the animals. And they were like, that's rabbit.
[129:32]
Joe Rogan
Animals are dumb as. Right. They eat bottle caps. My dog eats everything every week is what it says.
[129:38]
Cody Tucker
Oh, Jesus.
[129:39]
Joe Rogan
My dog eats everything on the ground.
[129:40]
Cody Tucker
I don't trust animal studies. The only way you really know is if you try it on people.
[129:45]
Joe Rogan
Right. That's why we got to put them prisoners back in Alcat. Alcatraz.
[129:48]
Cody Tucker
Well, do what you got to do. I mean. Yeah.
[129:50]
Joe Rogan
That Trump is opening up Alcatraz again. Yeah.
[129:53]
Cody Tucker
Oh, I didn't know that.
[129:54]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
[129:54]
Cody Tucker
That's amazing. I mean, a grand opening of.
[129:58]
Joe Rogan
Look, the world's crazy, man. I like fun. And Trump saying he's going to reopen up Alcatraz is fun to me because I know that it's going to be like, wow.
[130:06]
Cody Tucker
Yes.
[130:11]
Joe Rogan
Trump says he'll reopen, enlarge, and rebuild Alcatraz. It's gonna be the best Alcatraz it's not just gonna. Alcatraz. We use a federal penitentiary since 1963 at a capacity of roughly 300 people. I went there as a kid.
[130:24]
Cody Tucker
Oh, really? Yeah, they.
[130:25]
Joe Rogan
When I was in. What grade was I. So I was in San Francisco from age 7 to 11, so I think I was 8 years old. I went over there of a little school trip. We went on a ferry. You go to Alcatraz and you think about like, how the someone could swim. How. Because yeah, there's a dude, Nick Diaz, UFC fighter. He's done it five times.
[130:44]
Cody Tucker
Swam from Alcatraz.
[130:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, five times. Five times. I wouldn't do that in shark infested water, by the way.
[130:51]
Cody Tucker
You couldn't pay me to do that, all that. I mean, I can swim like a.
[130:56]
Joe Rogan
But do you know the kind of balls you have to. Have to know that, you know, you don't life vest, you're just swimming. You have to be able to swim all the way to shore with sharks underneath you everywhere. And you know, if they bite you, you're dead. And you know, they bite people.
[131:13]
Cody Tucker
I'd rather just be in prison. Really? Yeah.
[131:17]
Joe Rogan
But he's doing it for funsies.
[131:18]
Cody Tucker
Oh, he's doing it.
[131:20]
Joe Rogan
Does it in between MMA fights. He was doing this.
[131:23]
Cody Tucker
Well, the. The Diaz brothers. That's a set of balls. Unlike, you know, like no other. Like, those guys are legends, you know, for sure the words. So that doesn't surprise me at all, actually, that they, you know, that they swim in from Alcatraz. Makes sense.
[131:37]
Joe Rogan
Well, people missed Nick's prime. Because Nick's prime, a lot of it happened in Strike Force. Like, people missed that. Yeah, that's when he was just like, just so dominant.
[131:46]
Cody Tucker
So he came into the UFC kind of later into his career.
[131:49]
Joe Rogan
Well, he started the UFC very early. So he knocks out Robbie Lawler early in his career. Has some great fights early in his career. So he was in the UFC early on, but then left the UFC and went over Strikeforce, where I think he like reached his prime.
[132:03]
Cody Tucker
Okay.
[132:03]
Joe Rogan
Like when he beat Frank Shamrock and Cyborg, like he was in his fucking prime over there. Like a world championship caliber prime. But that guy would swim across Alcatraz from Alcatraz in between his, like he's training for fights, and in between training for fights, he's running triathlons and hitting the bong while he's doing it. Like, it's hilarious us. He's high as running triathlons.
[132:28]
Cody Tucker
You ever just see someone, you're like, you're so different than me.
[132:31]
Joe Rogan
So Different.
[132:31]
Cody Tucker
Like our lives couldn't be more different.
[132:34]
Joe Rogan
My friend Cam Haynes right now is running a 250mile race with a broken foot.
[132:43]
Cody Tucker
What?
[132:44]
Joe Rogan
Bro, if I was broken, I would get it fixed and I definitely wouldn't run. I might not ever run again.
[132:49]
Cody Tucker
He's. He's doing half of the Daytona 500, 100.
[132:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[132:52]
Cody Tucker
On a broken foot.
[132:53]
Joe Rogan
On a broken foot.
[132:53]
Cody Tucker
In the mountains.
[132:54]
Joe Rogan
Going through the mountains.
[132:55]
Cody Tucker
No, thank you.
[132:56]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, no pass, please.
[132:58]
Cody Tucker
I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't even go do that, fat boy. 5K. You think I'm gonna be doing that?
[133:04]
C
Courtney Del Walter is currently in second place. She's already around 48 miles today.
[133:09]
Joe Rogan
That's so nuts.
[133:10]
Cody Tucker
When did it Courtney do Walters?
[133:12]
Joe Rogan
She on the podcast where she's an animal. Like a pure animal.
[133:16]
Cody Tucker
So it started this morning. Is that what you said?
[133:18]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
[133:19]
C
48 miles behind by three miles right now.
[133:23]
Joe Rogan
Who's ahead of her?
[133:24]
C
A guy named Harold Subertas.
[133:27]
Joe Rogan
Does he win these things? There's like only a few people that, like, she's one of them. Courtney's one of them. There's only a few people that win these things. A lot of people start off real fast, but you can't keep it up for three days.
[133:37]
Cody Tucker
Could you imagine running 48 miles in a day and you're in second place?
[133:42]
Joe Rogan
Not even a day. In like five hours.
[133:44]
Cody Tucker
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[133:45]
Joe Rogan
But you imagine like you run a.
[133:46]
Cody Tucker
48 miles miles and like, well, you lost.
[133:48]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, bro, you're way. You're three miles behind. Like, what?
[133:53]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah. I'd put a shotgun in my mouth so quick before I did any of that.
[133:58]
Joe Rogan
But we need people like you and we need people like them. That's the beautiful thing about the human race is that we're all so different.
[134:06]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[134:06]
Joe Rogan
You know, there's so many versions of humans out there and we should really. We should celebrate that. I love it thing.
[134:15]
Cody Tucker
I love how different, like whenever I go back and look at like people from history or whatever, I. That's like one of the things I like the most about it is like how I'm like, God, that person's night and day different from me. But that's so cool that they did what they did or, you know, whatever. Like a Teddy Roosevelt. Like, there's nothing about me that is like Teddy Roosevelt.
[134:34]
Joe Rogan
How about that dude that ate that guy's heart that had been pickled for like.
[134:37]
Cody Tucker
Oh, yeah, William Buckland. Yeah. He ate King Louis XIV heart, which. Yeah, been. Yeah, well, yeah. King Louis xiv. Just in general, an absolute Nut job, you know, birthing fetish. Like to watch women give birth. Which. Yeah, don't. Don't we all, but yeah, but yeah. So he dies 130 years later. You know, his heart has been preserved. And what I guess would be formaldehyde. And it's sitting in this guy's office, basically. And a fellow, I think he was like the Archbishop of Canterbury. I don't know, some lord, whatever. Their little fruity little. But then this fellow named William Buckland comes in and. Who had kind of like a notorious big stomach, ate a lot of weird shit. And he saw the heart and was like, holy hell, that's the heart of King Louis xiv. I've never eaten the heart of a king before, so how about I just give it a try? And then they come in, come back in, and he's eating the damn heart. Heart raw. Well preserved. I mean, as best preserved as it gets. Been preserved for 100.
[135:41]
Joe Rogan
But he's not even cooking it. That's my point.
[135:43]
Cody Tucker
No, no, no, no. He didn't have like a hot plate in there.
[135:45]
Joe Rogan
Just pulling it out, boy.
[135:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. It wasn't in the microwave.
[135:48]
Joe Rogan
Imagine being in the room with that guy when he takes those bites, you'd be like, oh, God. You'd be retching, like, what are you doing, man?
[135:55]
Cody Tucker
A formalda. Have you ever dissected like an animal?
[135:58]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, in high school. Yeah.
[135:59]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That smell is like a smell that. I can smell it right now, now thinking about it, you know, like, it's one of those things that never leaves you. It's like a dead body smell biting.
[136:08]
Joe Rogan
Into a raw heart. With that smell, it's probably pretty tender.
[136:11]
C
He tried to eat everything he do.
[136:13]
Joe Rogan
His captain Victorian feud hero, a gentleman whose ambition was to eat. An example of every animal in existence. Again, this Courtney and Cam Haynes, who are running 250 miles right now. And this dude is like, I want to eat. What? Of everything. I want to eat a rat.
[136:31]
Cody Tucker
I mean, what.
[136:31]
Joe Rogan
This guy ate rats. He probably had rabies. He kept a pet jackal in his house. This guy had a jackal in his house. He built the country's first mosque. Had a jackal in his house. He lived in a hut made from driftwood, dressed as a mermaid and excommunicated his cat.
[136:48]
C
There somebody else, though. I really should have done Robert Hawker.
[136:52]
Joe Rogan
Oh.
[136:53]
Cody Tucker
Oh.
[136:53]
Joe Rogan
To the west, famed Cornish poet Robert Stephen Hawker lived in not. So this is not just a bunch.
[136:58]
C
Of weird guys that were living in that time.
[137:00]
Cody Tucker
Oh.
[137:01]
C
Then it goes into that.
[137:02]
Joe Rogan
Oh, this is a different.
[137:03]
Cody Tucker
Oh, yeah, not any of these were.
[137:04]
Joe Rogan
Oh, I thought it was the same guy. Okay, this is just a bunch of weirdos all throughout history. So, Charles, Major General Charles George Gordon.
[137:12]
Cody Tucker
So it's the third paragraph. Starts the William Buckland.
[137:15]
C
I think these are all eccentric guys from.
[137:16]
Cody Tucker
Oh, yeah, right here. Buckland was born. Yeah, I think that's all going to be about him.
[137:21]
C
This is also pretty good, though. Don't leave this out.
[137:23]
Joe Rogan
Right, so this guy, Major General Charles George Gordon, a British army officer whose day job saw him fight a series of bloody campaigns across the Middle east and Africa, yet was almost as notorious for believing the earth was encased in a hollow sphere and that the Garden of Eden was located in the sea somewhere off the coast of Seychelles. Seychelles.
[137:44]
C
People believe that now.
[137:46]
Cody Tucker
I. Yeah, but this guy.
[137:53]
Joe Rogan
William Buckland. So, the man who ate everything. Born in 1784, a year in which famine in Japan claimed 300,000 lives and a massive locust swarm hit South Africa. Coincidence, of course, but it fits in the theme of this blog nicely, so I'm leaving it in. So this guy ate everything he could. Long, he had his hand in a huge hyena skull suddenly dashed on the steps, rushed, skull in hand, the first undergraduate the front bench and shouted, what rules the world? The youth, terrified, answered. Not a word. He rushed then onto me, pointing the hyena full in my face. What rules the world? Haven't an idea. I said. The stomach, sir. He cried. Rules the world. The great ones eat the less, the less, the lesser still. So he just thought he was gonna be great by eating everything.
[138:41]
C
Here's some of the. The stuff he was eating.
[138:44]
Joe Rogan
So his lifelong personal ambition, which is to eat an example of every animal in existence, like some kind of crazed bloodthirsty Noah. Oh my God. He ate a porpoise, a puppy and a panther. And that's just the peas. Mice on toast were a regular feature of his no doubt popular soirees. Oh, my God. He had a porpoise and a puppy. Jesus Christ.
[139:08]
Cody Tucker
I mean, the porpoise probably wouldn't be so bad. I'd eat the puppy. It's like dog bar.
[139:14]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I guess.
[139:16]
Cody Tucker
I mean, I wouldn't necess like flagstones.
[139:18]
C
To disprove a myth. Myth identifying the flavor as bat urine.
[139:25]
Cody Tucker
How would you.
[139:25]
C
How would you know that so quick?
[139:27]
Cody Tucker
Well, I think he had a real good reason.
[139:32]
Joe Rogan
Eating the heart. I bet all those years of formaldehyde is probably quite tender, right?
[139:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[139:37]
Joe Rogan
Oh, melts your mouth.
[139:39]
Cody Tucker
What if it just tastes. Tasted amazing for some reason, right?
[139:42]
Joe Rogan
What do we got you high.
[139:43]
Cody Tucker
Oh my God.
[139:43]
Joe Rogan
That's how you find God.
[139:44]
C
Since some guy had it. A guy had it.
[139:46]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Lord Hardcourt. That's who I was. Who I was.
[139:49]
Joe Rogan
Esoterica. Imagine how mad he'd be. Find out some guy ate your heart that you've been saving.
[139:55]
Cody Tucker
Pissed.
[139:57]
Joe Rogan
The worst thing Buckland ever ate. Blue bottles. What does that blue bottles mean? Is that.
[140:02]
Cody Tucker
It's a T. About to find out. I had a fish starter at my. Is this. I think this is.
[140:08]
C
Might be some sort of.
[140:09]
Cody Tucker
Is it just a joke about that Blue bottles?
[140:12]
Joe Rogan
What could that be? Unless he's actually eating glass, I don't.
[140:16]
Cody Tucker
Think that's what it.
[140:17]
Joe Rogan
Oh, Portuguese man of war.
[140:20]
Cody Tucker
Oh, it's pretty cool looking thing.
[140:22]
Joe Rogan
Wow. That looks like a mermaid. Yeah, Click on that one. The upper. Yeah, right there. Another one to the one to the right of that. Yeah, yeah. Look at that thing.
[140:30]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. You know, wild. I kind of do want to eat that. I'm sort of with him on this.
[140:35]
Joe Rogan
So is that like a jellyfish?
[140:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, Manowar is a jellyfish.
[140:38]
Joe Rogan
So that must be insanely toxic.
[140:40]
Cody Tucker
But I think man of war. Aren't they like. Yeah, like super venomous.
[140:46]
Joe Rogan
Of course it's not.
[140:46]
Cody Tucker
Maybe they're not.
[140:47]
Joe Rogan
It's like literally could kill you.
[140:49]
Cody Tucker
That doesn't seem like it'd be the worst thing though.
[140:52]
Joe Rogan
Well, he didn't need everything. I guess he probably died along the way. Like you could only do that for so long for your body. Says you. I wonder how long.
[140:58]
Cody Tucker
How long he lived. Yeah, how long did that guy live?
[141:01]
Joe Rogan
Find out. How long.
[141:02]
Cody Tucker
Have you ever.
[141:03]
Joe Rogan
How old was that guy when he died?
[141:07]
Cody Tucker
1856. Oh, he lived for a pretty good amount.
[141:10]
Joe Rogan
Pretty decent amount of time.
[141:11]
Cody Tucker
84 to 72.
[141:13]
Joe Rogan
Pretty decent amount of time eating everything.
[141:15]
Cody Tucker
That's a ripe, ripe age for back then too.
[141:18]
Joe Rogan
When there's no doctors. The doctors are all guessing.
[141:22]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. And like coming to your house house right after another and you break your.
[141:26]
Joe Rogan
Leg, they bust out a meat saw.
[141:27]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Like wash my hand.
[141:29]
Joe Rogan
They tie that leg down and saw it off at the hip. And you're screaming, he didn't tell you to bite a piece of leather. That was a doctor back then.
[141:36]
Cody Tucker
They thought germs didn't exist. Yeah, they were Lister.
[141:39]
Joe Rogan
Dirty fingers pulling babies out. Everybody's dying of sepsis. Nuts.
[141:43]
Cody Tucker
Have you ever heard of a tarar? Tarar was a guy. A T A R, R, A R E, I think.
[141:49]
Joe Rogan
What's this? Jamie?
[141:51]
C
He kind of discovered dinosaurs.
[141:53]
Cody Tucker
Gee.
[141:54]
Joe Rogan
What? Same guy?
[141:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[141:56]
Joe Rogan
That ate everything? Yeah. Whoa, that's another fun one. Dinosaurs aren't real. That's a fun one.
[142:05]
Cody Tucker
I can buy it to an extent because there are so many fakes.
[142:10]
Joe Rogan
But the, the reality. In the early days of dinosaur research, there was two guys that were competing with each other and, and they were faking fossils. Yeah, that's true. But also dinosaurs are real, but also like. Yeah, like that alligator gar. That's a living dinosaur.
[142:25]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[142:26]
Joe Rogan
Used to exist for sure.
[142:29]
Cody Tucker
Well, some of the, like real big ones, you're like, they've never found one of those. They just find like a.
[142:35]
Joe Rogan
Some stuff. Right?
[142:36]
Cody Tucker
They found some stuff and then they go, well, we think it probably looked like this based on its vertebrae looking like this. And when you go see the skeleton bulletin at a, you know, the Perot Museum or wherever, it's all. That's all fake. Like. Right. There's maybe one piece in there that's real.
[142:50]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[142:51]
Cody Tucker
Like there are. I can kind of get the, I can get the skepticism behind that a little bit.
[142:55]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[142:55]
Cody Tucker
But to say like, oh, the whole thing's like that there is no such thing as a dinosaur. That's.
[143:01]
Joe Rogan
It seems silly that people would just lie openly about that. But there are some that are intact. Like they found some raptors. Yeah, intact. They found some stuff. That's a time. I have a friend and his buddy found a T Rex in Montana.
[143:14]
Cody Tucker
Completely into that.
[143:15]
Joe Rogan
I don't know how much they found. They found quite a bit of it though. The point where they brought in a professional excavation and they. Yeah, they pulled out this big ass T Rex. That's pretty in Montana.
[143:26]
Cody Tucker
Could you imagine, bro?
[143:27]
Joe Rogan
Montana used to be a part of the great inland sea. There was a. There was a sea in that. There's like seashells up there, which is nuts.
[143:34]
Cody Tucker
Jesus. That's probably what like the Badlands were.
[143:37]
Joe Rogan
I mean, what was it called? There was like a particular name for like the great. There was a North American like inland ocean. Yeah, just bananas, man.
[143:46]
Cody Tucker
Ocean of America. Yeah, that's a.
[143:48]
Joe Rogan
And there's T Rexes around it. Like that's.
[143:52]
Cody Tucker
God.
[143:53]
Joe Rogan
Imagine if there was like one point in the history. The Western Interior Seaway.
[143:59]
Cody Tucker
Oh, so that's what it looked like.
[144:00]
Joe Rogan
A large island inland sea that existed roughly over present day Great Plains of North America. Wow.
[144:07]
Cody Tucker
That.
[144:08]
Joe Rogan
If there was a time that you could just look at that. Look at what it used to look like. That's so nuts.
[144:14]
Cody Tucker
So there's a. Yeah.
[144:15]
Joe Rogan
And look at the Appalachians. Like that's what America looked like. Florida was completely Underwater. That's nuts.
[144:21]
Cody Tucker
Most of Texas back soon. Yeah, yeah.
[144:23]
Joe Rogan
That's like where we are is like above water. But man, that's crazy how much water there was.
[144:28]
Cody Tucker
Okay, There's a good. Yeah, yeah. So all of Texas is.
[144:32]
Joe Rogan
It's a whole Texas. Oh my God.
[144:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[144:35]
Joe Rogan
Like Nevada's not.
[144:36]
Cody Tucker
And Tulsa's. All right. They made it out.
[144:40]
Joe Rogan
Massachusetts is okay.
[144:41]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[144:42]
Joe Rogan
That is crazy to see how big that was.
[144:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, that's.
[144:45]
Joe Rogan
And there's all kinds of nutty that was living in that water too, man.
[144:49]
Cody Tucker
Jesus. Yeah. I mean, because the gar is like the least of. That's like the. That's like a minnow compared to some of the.
[144:55]
Joe Rogan
It's a chicken compared to like a. A Grady eagle.
[144:58]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That.
[145:00]
Joe Rogan
Like a host eagle. The eagles that hunted people in New Zealand.
[145:04]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That's so crazy.
[145:08]
Joe Rogan
Eagles. Jack people, man, they think that's why they went extinct.
[145:13]
Cody Tucker
I hope they bring dinosaurs back.
[145:15]
Joe Rogan
They probably are going to.
[145:17]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, part of me is kind of against it, but then part of me is because Josh Park's my favorite movie. So I got a. The leather.
[145:24]
C
Did you see the seven?
[145:25]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[145:25]
C
Leather.
[145:25]
Joe Rogan
T. Rex.
[145:26]
Cody Tucker
T. Rex purse.
[145:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they're gonna make T. Rex purse. I'm gonna get a T. Rex fanny pack.
[145:30]
Cody Tucker
Jesus.
[145:31]
Joe Rogan
For sure. I mean, I'm gonna rock that shit.
[145:33]
Cody Tucker
Look, what more badass of a thing could there possibly be than a T. Rex fanny pack?
[145:38]
Joe Rogan
I know, right?
[145:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. T. Rex Crocs company claims leather made.
[145:42]
Joe Rogan
From 66 million year old dinosaur DNA is coming. I think some people are very skeptical about this. We should probably say this. One of the things that the guys from Colossal were telling me. The guys who resurrected the direwolf.
[145:57]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[145:58]
Joe Rogan
They were telling me. Ben Lamb was. Was telling me that when it comes to like DNA of dinosaurs, they don't really have DNA of dinosaurs. It's too old. They don't have like full DNA profiles or whatever you would call it. But what they will be able to do is sort of engineer a dinosaur, which is even crazier. Like take. Take the surviving creatures like chickens like that. That have dinosaur D. Because chickens are full on dinosaurs.
[146:24]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[146:25]
Joe Rogan
Take their. Their, their DNA and engineer a T. Rex out of that. Or a raptor. A raptor. Like way smarter than a crow. How about that? Like hunting people through the woods. Little five foot creepy super lizard that can run 50 miles an hour.
[146:42]
Cody Tucker
Clever girl. Yeah, that would be. God, dude, I'd love it. I hope they do.
[146:48]
Joe Rogan
They could do that. They're really? Look, if they can take human beings and. And integrate them with tardigrade DNA and have them become superheroes.
[146:58]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[146:58]
Joe Rogan
They can make a dinosaur, man. They made a wolf. They made dire wolves. Made three of them.
[147:02]
Cody Tucker
Which is insane. So crazy too.
[147:04]
Joe Rogan
It's nuts. Like, they exist. They're like. I think they're like 11 months old now or something like that.
[147:10]
Cody Tucker
Oh, it's that.
[147:11]
Joe Rogan
Jesus. Yeah, yeah, they're. They don't. Ben Lamb told me he doesn't go around them all at anymore. Like he bottle fed them when they're puppies. But then when they got to a certain age, like, I think we're done.
[147:22]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[147:23]
Joe Rogan
Like after like four or five months, like, I think we're done. What was that, Jamie?
[147:27]
C
The T. Rex DNA is 66 million years old. It dies. The DNA starts to go away as soon as they die. And the oldest preserved DNA on record currently is only 2 million years old.
[147:37]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[147:38]
C
So it wouldn't be a T. Rex.
[147:39]
Joe Rogan
So it wouldn't be a T. Rex. But they might be able to make exactly what we think a T. Rex was. Yeah, we would be really off because we don't know what their tissue looked like. That's where it gets really strange. Like all the stuff that rots away. Have you ever seen like an artist depiction of what they take a hippo skull? Like what an artist depiction? What the animal could look like?
[147:59]
Cody Tucker
No, it looks like a monster. Oh, yeah, yeah. I would imagine.
[148:02]
Joe Rogan
And then you see the reality. It's like, oh, hungry hungry hippo. Big old sweetie, right? Hippo looks like a sweetie. What's Cute little ears?
[148:09]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[148:10]
Joe Rogan
You know?
[148:11]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[148:12]
Joe Rogan
But then artists have depicted it like if we didn't know what it looked like, maybe it looked like this.
[148:17]
Cody Tucker
Right?
[148:17]
Joe Rogan
You know?
[148:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That's crazy.
[148:20]
C
The meme says how aliens would reconstruct it.
[148:22]
Joe Rogan
So I. Oh, that's interesting.
[148:25]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Well, still see. Oh, okay.
[148:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Like the one in the middle. But you could, like if you came from another planet and you saw this, like, oh my God, this thing must have been a terrific looking beast.
[148:36]
Cody Tucker
Least.
[148:37]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[148:38]
Cody Tucker
Oh, wow.
[148:38]
Joe Rogan
The skull. How aliens would you reconstruct the animal? And it's an elephant. Wow. Oh, that's cool.
[148:43]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[148:45]
Joe Rogan
I bet that's where the Cyclops myth comes from.
[148:47]
Cody Tucker
Elephant skulls.
[148:48]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[148:49]
Cody Tucker
That actually makes per. I've never seen an elephant skulls, so I had no clue there was. Which I don't.
[148:56]
C
I don't even know if that's elephant skull.
[148:59]
Joe Rogan
I think it is.
[149:00]
Cody Tucker
That's got to be. I mean it makes sense. Because the trunk just goes right to the mouth. Yeah, bro.
[149:06]
Joe Rogan
It has to be where the cyclops comes from. Has to be, right?
[149:09]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[149:09]
Joe Rogan
Especially if you found a female one that didn't have to think it's listening.
[149:13]
Cody Tucker
To you, but inspire. Well, what'd you say, Jamie?
[149:16]
C
Every. Like when I. I didn't even type in cyclops and it was the first thing that was on top.
[149:21]
Joe Rogan
Maybe it's because that's a theory that's been around for a long time.
[149:24]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, well there was.
[149:25]
C
I know, but I've been noticing.
[149:26]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, look, it says that right there. Right there. Right. Reddit the cyclops is likely inspired by.
[149:29]
C
I'm noticing this happen a lot. You'll be saying something.
[149:32]
Joe Rogan
I think the government's listening.
[149:33]
C
The first thing I'll type.
[149:34]
Joe Rogan
Well, they're helping us.
[149:35]
C
It's auto completing. What you just.
[149:36]
Joe Rogan
They're fans of the show, Jamie. They're trying to help out. But it makes sense. I mean if you found stuff from a long. I mean what do you think of. Here's one that always gets me. Stories of giants.
[149:50]
Cody Tucker
I want that to be real so. But I mean I want all that.
[149:53]
Joe Rogan
The Smithsonian's been hiding the information. Those are the big conspiracy. Could be down in their basement. They've got like a 10 foot tall human being. A race of giants that existed roam the earth.
[150:04]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[150:04]
Joe Rogan
David and Goliath, a real story.
[150:08]
Cody Tucker
It just seems like they wouldn't be gone. They wouldn't be the ones that would have been killed off.
[150:14]
Joe Rogan
Unless in the cataclysm like the younger Dryas impact theory, there wasn't enough food. Oh, and they died off, you know, because if you're that big, you need to eat a lot.
[150:24]
Cody Tucker
So you think they, they were around like way long ago way died off way longer.
[150:28]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. I don't think like recently but I think like it is. There's so many stories and so many cultures have these stories even in the Bible of a race of giants. Like it seems like it couldn't just be big people.
[150:43]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[150:44]
Joe Rogan
It seems like what they're talking about is something crazy.
[150:46]
Cody Tucker
I guess it could be if you're just. Because, because if you're just you know, missing myth, mythologizing. There's no way that's a word. But if you're just, you know, turning something that is real. This is the same with like a dragon. You know, people obviously just get inspired by things that are around them. They start to morph into things. I mean there was no fire breathing animal flying around.
[151:04]
Joe Rogan
Probably crocodiles and like.
[151:06]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Crocodiles. And then, and then there are, you know like cobras that spit venom which obviously gets in your eyes. Probably gonna burn like a son of a. So like there's like the fire myth. I mean, and people exaggerate. Yeah, so exactly, that's what I'm saying. So like people will take somebody who is a big son of a. And they go, oh well, let's you know, exaggerate for sure that the guy he fought was nine feet tall.
[151:25]
Joe Rogan
Right, right, right.
[151:26]
Cody Tucker
Six foot five.
[151:27]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
[151:28]
Cody Tucker
Was.
[151:28]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. But also when you talk about races of these giants, you could also be talking about like people from Iceland.
[151:35]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Who were naturally enormous fighting dudes. Yeah.
[151:39]
Joe Rogan
Who were always win those strongmen competitions. You know, those of kind guys are. There's giants up there, like. Oh yeah, 400. Like the mountain from Game of Thrones. Like that kind of person. So you think about that. Like that's that size human.
[151:52]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[151:53]
Joe Rogan
There could have been a bunch of those around and maybe that's what they were talking about, giants. Or there could have been like a specific race of humans. Like they keep finding these additional types of humans. Like they found Dennis Ovens fairly recently and then that other one that we brought up the other day, the big headed people. People, that's fairly recently they've discovered that this is a completely different branch that there may be. But here's the thing. If they did find those, would they tell us, like if archaeologists, like who would put the cap on that? If they found like a ten foot human under like a just gigantic dead human with a huge sword underground, like would they, would they just say we're wrong, giants existed. Or would they go, people can't handle this.
[152:39]
Cody Tucker
That's a tough. Because that's the answer. Or that's the question. For so many things.
[152:43]
Joe Rogan
They might say people can't handle it. It's not outside the realm of possibility.
[152:49]
Cody Tucker
I would say.
[152:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they probably say, isn't that infuriating?
[152:53]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[152:54]
Joe Rogan
Can you imagine if it was you? Now imagine you're out in West Texas, wherever you are hanging out with your friends and somebody notices something in the grass and you start digging and you pull out a fucking thigh bone that's this big and you plop it down. You go, what the is that? And then you got a buddy who works at the university nearby and he starts digging. He's like, hey dude, this is a human foot. And he pulls out a human foot that's size 38. You're like, what is going on, man? And so you bring in some experts and like, holy, dude, this is a giant. And then they do DNA tests, they find out it's a real, A real, actual, actual creature.
[153:30]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I'm, I'm telling everyone.
[153:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They're gonna kill you. They're gonna kill you. The scientists will kill you. They're gonna run you off the road.
[153:39]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[153:41]
C
Longest or well, I guess would be.
[153:43]
Joe Rogan
The tallest that people have ever found.
[153:45]
C
That they've ever found. It was found in China. It's supposedly about 4, 400 years old. Would have been about 16, 18 years old. The weird thing here is though, that it says there was three drill holes found in the skull and they don't know why.
[154:01]
Joe Rogan
Whoa, drill holes. How big was it?
[154:04]
C
6.
[154:05]
Joe Rogan
4. Oh, well, back then that was probably huge.
[154:09]
Cody Tucker
We said they found it in China. Yeah, that. That's a giant.
[154:12]
C
And they're calling it.
[154:13]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it might be Mongolian, you know.
[154:15]
Cody Tucker
Well, well, I just look up here. To the Chinese that are found, right, they're probably like, holy Goliath is anywhere.
[154:20]
C
From, from modern day maybe they say up to 6. 6. But like taking the word for word from the Bible, it had been about nine.
[154:27]
Cody Tucker
Nine. Yeah. That's what I always thought. That's what I always see a kid.
[154:31]
Joe Rogan
Right. Well, if you're back then, nobody had any food and the average man was probably like 5, 4. So if you encounter some dude who's 6, 6, some big jack guy that is a giant.
[154:41]
Cody Tucker
That's a giant.
[154:42]
Joe Rogan
And then also, like, you got to think human beings, if they exist today and they're six, six, they had a potential to be that big back then. They just didn't get the four food.
[154:49]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[154:49]
Joe Rogan
But if you are in some very nutrient rich environment.
[154:55]
C
Both those guys play pro basketball.
[154:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. That's not Mugsy, is it?
[154:58]
Cody Tucker
Mugsy Bow, Mugsy Bogues.
[154:59]
C
Yeah, but there's smaller people that exist that can function and do stuff.
[155:03]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure. What's crazy is that the potential for that guy, the Yao guy, who's. How tall is he? Or that exists in the human genome. Right. That's not like we engineered them like we did dogs.
[155:15]
Cody Tucker
Right.
[155:16]
Joe Rogan
Like, that exists. So maybe back then if you had a ton of food and you, you didn't have to worry about war, like, and people just kept breeding and growing and getting nutrient rich. Because the thing about people in the past was they didn't have any food, man. Yeah, like, the average size of a guy who fought in the Civil War was, I think, 125 pounds or something crazy.
[155:35]
Cody Tucker
Five foot four and a 120. I think is nuts. Yeah.
[155:38]
Joe Rogan
Starving to death. Starving. Shooting people with musk.
[155:42]
Cody Tucker
14 year old girl. I mean, that's like.
[155:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, right. And all they needed was food. You know, you give them, you give them protein and then they grow normal sized, which is really wild.
[155:51]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Because there's tons of people that are well over seven feet. It's not like it's. I mean, it is an anomaly compared to.
[155:58]
C
Speaking of. There's one guy in the Civil War, seven, six, he would have stood out everything. Everybody else was five, eight average.
[156:04]
Joe Rogan
He was seven foot six in the Civil War. Holy.
[156:08]
Cody Tucker
Is that. Oh, that's not a picture of him, I guess. Yeah.
[156:11]
Joe Rogan
The thing about the stories in the Bible though, it's like these are like mystical giants, the Nephilim, you know, look at this guy. Ohio.
[156:20]
Cody Tucker
So he's. There you go, bro.
[156:23]
Joe Rogan
You do not want to box that guy.
[156:24]
C
Seven, six.
[156:25]
Cody Tucker
Seven six. She must be pretty tall.
[156:28]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I mean she probably needed to do that big. Take care of her.
[156:31]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[156:32]
Joe Rogan
I'm saying.
[156:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Yeah. She can be in this.
[156:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. She can't be with me.
[156:35]
Cody Tucker
He's like, what are y' all.
[156:36]
Joe Rogan
She'll hold me down. I have to fight that lady to the death.
[156:40]
Cody Tucker
No chance.
[156:41]
Joe Rogan
She's a big man. Big giant man to her, correctly.
[156:45]
Cody Tucker
Yes. Yeah.
[156:46]
Joe Rogan
But the, the stories from the Bible and the stories from like, you know, different. Like even like the ancient Sumerian culture, like when they, they had the depictions of the Anunnaki and these big giant people.
[156:56]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[156:56]
Joe Rogan
Like, what was that? Like, what is that all about? Like, is that a story about a thing that used to be real or is it. Because it seems like, like the more we uncover with ancient history, just like Troy and probably Atlantis, the more you realize like none of it was. It was just their version of trying to tell you the story.
[157:15]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[157:16]
Joe Rogan
You know, and that this, all this stuff about the Nephilim, the Anunnaki and all there's probably. Is there's some sort of a story. It's just parsing out what it really was after a thousand years of people just telling it it before somebody writes it down.
[157:32]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. That's. I think it's more just. Yeah. You know, you're getting word of mouth over so like such a long time. And it's probably exaggerated from the jump because you're just trying to tell, trying to tell a story. Like creativity isn't a new thing. You know, people were always creative and, and always lying. Yeah. And always lying and always trying to like exaggerate their imagination. Exaggerate. Yeah. And ultimately to create some sort of Alibaba.
[157:57]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[157:57]
Cody Tucker
So I don't think any of it was true. I think it was all just, you know, I think it makes sense how it all got created. And now every culture has their own version.
[158:07]
Joe Rogan
And to me it's like an echo of the truth. It's like there's, there's an echo there, like God, what was the original thing? What was it all about? Because like, there's an echo to a lot of it. A lot of ancient stories and a lot of religious stories too. They're just like, man, I think something was going on. And I think this is the echo of like this historical depiction of probably something real that went down. Like the Noah and the ark story. I think that's a historical, that's a depiction of that flood that we saw that wiped out Atlantis.
[158:43]
Cody Tucker
Without a doubt. I mean, that's part of the epic Gilgamesh. There's a giant flood. I mean, that's the oldest story ever written we know of. I mean, and it's not the only one that depicts a massive flood. Pretty much every religion that's that old has some story involving a flood.
[159:01]
Joe Rogan
And I think when you apply that to all the other stories too, you should probably assume that it wasn't fiction. It might not be accurate because of all the factors that we already laid out because of people, but it's probably the echoes of a real story.
[159:17]
Cody Tucker
Well, the flood is. Yeah, so I do think that because that's part of allegory is like taking something that is real and then you, you just make like a, almost a fairy tale out of it.
[159:27]
Joe Rogan
Right.
[159:28]
Cody Tucker
Like you still have the, because you're telling almost in that sense you're like saving history, like you're preserving history, but you're not doing it in the sense that we would, as we would do it now, where we would like dictate time and date and names. You're just saying, oh, there was this great event that happened in our ancestors time.
[159:46]
Joe Rogan
And if they figured this out, imagine if they figured out all these things thousands and thousands of years ago. Then you have the flood, the impacts, society has to rebuild. Then you're telling these stories over and over and over. After all this time, that would kind of account for a lot of things for sure. And one of them would be that God created the universe in six days. Because like, what is the big bang? What is six days? What are you saying? Like what does that mean? Is it just a short amount of time? Is that we're trying to say is that like 72 virgins? You know, when they see 72 virgins in heaven, they don't really mean 72 versions. It's like a fuckload.
[160:20]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[160:20]
Joe Rogan
The way of saying.
[160:21]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[160:22]
Joe Rogan
Like when you say God created the universe in six days, like maybe that means. Maybe that's the big bang. Like, maybe you're literally talking about the birth of the universe.
[160:31]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[160:32]
Joe Rogan
In a very short period of time.
[160:33]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. It could just shut.
[160:35]
Joe Rogan
Boom. If the universe is in infinite, it's been around forever. What is like that quick burst? What is that?
[160:42]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah, that's a. I mean, that's.
[160:45]
Joe Rogan
If you were trying to recall that story.
[160:46]
Cody Tucker
Right. You would say, yeah, on this day this happened, this day that happened. But ultimately it's just day after day after day, and then seven day you rest and otherwise. Yeah.
[160:55]
Joe Rogan
If you were trying to explain the birth of the universe that happened, that like, you people were talking about it for thousands of years, then someone wrote it down on clay tablets thousands of years later. These are just the memories of some ancient knowledge where people really had reached a level of sophistication that we could only imagine.
[161:14]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[161:15]
Joe Rogan
And they were just flatlined right back to cave people again.
[161:18]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. I mean, that's what. Yeah. Because like Greek mythology, all those mythology, it's like an actual birth. Like, there's. It all happens. Starts with like, there's darkness and then there's light.
[161:29]
Joe Rogan
Yep.
[161:29]
Cody Tucker
And that's like a common theme with pretty much every religion, every mythologies. There was a sea of darkness, then there was a light and. Yeah.
[161:36]
Joe Rogan
What if that's their version of the description of the Big Bang?
[161:40]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. It's just turning on a light. Right.
[161:42]
Joe Rogan
That's how you describe the Big Bang to someone who has no concept of science. Like, no idea. What are you talking about? Atoms?
[161:47]
Cody Tucker
What. Right.
[161:48]
Joe Rogan
What? Molecules, Subatomic particles. What the fuck are you even saying?
[161:51]
Cody Tucker
Exactly. You'd be like, yeah, imagine walking into a dark room and flicking a light switch and suddenly everything's here. Yeah. I mean, that's the common theme throughout any of those relationships. Religions.
[162:01]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Well, I think the appeal of like a page like yours and the kind of. That kind of things, like people always love to learn. Cool and interesting.
[162:12]
Cody Tucker
Yeah.
[162:12]
Joe Rogan
You know, whether it's interesting about the. The universe or UFOs or crazy people throughout history. Guy wrote outlaw Josie Wells being a piece of like.
[162:23]
Cody Tucker
I mean, the KKK is just not good. They aren't big enough.
[162:28]
Joe Rogan
Meanwhile, it's such a good movie.
[162:29]
Cody Tucker
It sucks. Yeah, it is. I mean, and yeah, it's not like you can't watch the damn movie, but.
[162:34]
Joe Rogan
You got to separate the man from the art always. And then also there's a bunch of other influences, I'm sure where they wrote the script and changed a bunch of things.
[162:40]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I. People love learning. You just got to make it interesting.
[162:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
[162:46]
Cody Tucker
School. I hated school, but I had a couple teachers that made it interesting. And I loved every day going to those classes every other class could get. I was trying to skip. I was trying to do whatever I could to get out of there.
[162:56]
Joe Rogan
Like, yeah, right. It's like, enthusiasm of the teacher is so important and the competency of the teacher so important.
[163:04]
Cody Tucker
It makes. Like. I had a teacher, Mr. Simmons. It was a high school late history teacher. And every day would tell like, a story kind of similar to that. Like. Or not every day, but every day before, like a big test, he would. That's how he started off. Like, clear your minds. Like, don't worry about this test. Like, I'm gonna tell you him. And he had, like this real deep, like, booming voice. It was like the most fascinating ever. And he would just. He would just tell this story that had nothing to do with the Ted. It doesn't matter. Like, he's like, this is just interesting. Like, y' all would like this.
[163:31]
Joe Rogan
That's great. Those people are so important.
[163:33]
Cody Tucker
I mean, he's. That's. Yeah. That guy, like, probably inspired me to do all kinds. Like, more probably. Yeah.
[163:39]
Joe Rogan
It didn't. It took until I was long out of school before I really started getting interested in learning things.
[163:44]
Cody Tucker
Yeah. Yeah.
[163:44]
Joe Rogan
I mean.
[163:45]
Cody Tucker
I mean, I didn't start really just diving into until after school. Like, I. I felt like I. All the way through school, through college, you know, got my degree and all that, I don't think I learned a damn thing. I learned that college was a waste of time. That's.
[164:00]
Joe Rogan
You learned how to get some student debt.
[164:02]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. I mean, I didn't learn a thing about. From any of that.
[164:08]
Joe Rogan
But they'll tell you that that's the only way to go.
[164:09]
Cody Tucker
No.
[164:10]
Joe Rogan
Which is just like, how do you know? We're in Spain. Yeah, but this is crazy. Like, the people in the 1900s figured it out forever. It can't be improved upon. Are you fucking sure?
[164:20]
Cody Tucker
Yeah, it's. It's crazy, man.
[164:22]
Joe Rogan
Listen, brother, really fun talking to you.
[164:24]
Cody Tucker
Thanks, man.
[164:25]
Joe Rogan
I really appreciate it. I really appreciate your channel. It's very fun. And now, you know, mind blowing stories from history and pop culture. Cody Tucker out now. Really fun talking to you, brother. Let's do it again sometime, Abs. All right. Thanks, sir. Thank you. Bye, everybody.