#2375 - Tim Dillon

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2375 – Tim Dillon

Date: September 4, 2025
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Tim Dillon

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Overview

This episode of The Joe Rogan Experience brings comedian and commentator Tim Dillon for a wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation. The discussion spans global politics, U.S. political dysfunction, AI, immigration, the culture of cosmetic surgery, conspiracy theories (Epstein, Hitler, UFOs), and the dystopian undercurrents of modern society. True to Rogan and Dillon’s styles, the talk is irreverent, brash, probing, and often hilarious, laced throughout with biting satirical asides and sharp social criticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Narco Politics, Cartels, and Global Destabilization

• Rogan and Dillon comment on a viral video of supposed drone bombings of Venezuelan drug traffickers, discussing accusations against Venezuela’s president and international bounties for his arrest ([00:39]–[01:47]).
• They touch on the prevalence of assassinations in Mexican politics: “It’s all warring cartels… The cartel’s putting these people in to be like the mayor or this or that. And then these other people who have other cartel people are killing them.” – Rogan ([02:09]).
• The pair speculate on the role of drug trade, particularly fentanyl’s influx from China, framing it as a form of “warfare” against the U.S., and discuss the use of social media bots to destabilize discourse ([03:03]–[04:41]).

2. AI, Bots, and Social Media Manipulation

• Rogan discusses active disinformation campaigns using bots and advanced AI (like ChatGPT, Grok): “There’s a giant amount of people on social media that are there just to keep arguments going.” ([03:57])
• Dillon quips, “Any AI that’s not removed, I don’t trust. I need an AI that’s getting removed pretty frequently when it runs up against an issue.” ([05:05])

3. Political Violence and Social Disarray in Europe and the U.S.

• Dillon raises the suspicious deaths of German right-wing politicians; Rogan and Dillon compare this to Mexican political assassinations ([05:34]–[06:49]).
• The conversation shifts to free speech crackdowns in the UK, referencing the arrest of Graham Linehan, highlighting growing legal consequences for seemingly innocuous social media posts ([07:10]–[08:56]).
• “There’s something really terrifying about the idea that any tweet outside of a direct threat… would get [you arrested].” – Dillon ([08:56])

4. Immigration, Assimilation, and Demographics

• Extended critique of large-scale immigration’s impacts on Western democracies, contrasted with cultural attitudes on family and fertility ([13:07]–[17:54]).
• “They’re openly talking about it. We’re going to outbreed you.” – Dillon on migrant population growth ([14:41]).
• Dillon and Rogan question whether economic pressures and cultural messaging have eroded family life, leading to Western societies “not replicating their population.”

5. Inequality, Wealth, and the New Technocratic Elite

• A scathing critique of American meritocracy, with jokes about venture capital as the only AI-proof job ([20:55]), and a riff on Marc Andreessen’s comments (“How convenient. That his job is saved.” – Dillon ([20:55])).
• Dillon says, “If immigrants were taking the jobs of Hollywood screenwriters, they would not be celebrating it.” ([21:12])
• Discussion of cosmetic surgery as symbolic of elite-driven culture’s obsession with youth, power, and image, segueing into worries about transhumanism and billionaire attempts to “live forever” ([24:35]–[31:18]).

6. Conspiracies, Control, and the Surveillance State

• The duo dig into classic conspiracy territory: Epsteins's ties to intelligence, D.C. madam deaths, Clinton-era scandals, and the use of kompromat to control politicians ([43:23]–[49:31]).
• Rogan: “It was almost quaint back then... ‘Come to the tomb. Show everybody your dick,’... Now they've got you dead to rights.” ([50:26])

7. America’s Elites, Exodus & Digital Utopianism

• Discussion of how global elites are “opting out” of American society, preparing for dystopia via techno-fortresses, citing projects like Praxis’s digital nation and Atlas California.
• “The super-rich… let many American cities crumble… They carved out places… that are safe… already kind of in a separate country.” – Dillon ([96:14])
• Live exploration of the Praxis website, poking fun at utopian plans to “defend the West” ([88:03]–[90:44]).

8. Political Leaders, Power Struggles, and Spectacle

• Speculation on the 2026 and 2028 US elections: Newsom’s “empty suit” career, Trump’s succession, and the potential for outsider figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene or AOC ([66:43]–[71:14]).
• “Part of being president now is spectacle. She gets it.” – Dillon, on MTG ([70:35])

9. Systemic Dysfunction: Health, Addiction, and Social Engineering

• Opioid/fentanyl crisis discussed through the lens of celebrity deaths (Prince, Tom Petty, Rush Limbaugh): “If there was legal drugs, all that would have been avoided.” – Rogan ([108:13])
• The pharmaceutical industry’s role in controlling the populace amidst economic and social dislocation ([108:46]–[109:00]).

10. Immiseration by Design? Immigration, Crime, and Decline

• Extended critique of progressive priorities: “All the energy... is now specifically for non citizens… It’s not about America or the future of New York City... It’s about undocumented people.” – Dillon ([113:05])
• Rogan theorizes that policy priorities intentionally foment internal division and keep Americans distracted, calling it “strategy” ([118:45]–[119:38]).

11. Epstein, Israel, Intelligence, and Ongoing Coverups

• Deep dive into Epstein’s background, plausible links to Israeli intelligence, and obstruction of congressional investigations ([120:52]–[124:14]).
• Dillon predicts: “It is going to be an uncomfortable—more than uncomfortable—if it comes out that our ally... was using Jeffrey Epstein as an access agent.” ([124:14])

12. Hitler in Argentina & the Pervasiveness of Conspiracy

• Entertaining but skeptical riff on Hitler’s supposed escape to Argentina, examining declassified CIA files and the lore of Nazi migration ([129:08]–[145:06]).
• “What’s the thing, they just couldn’t find him?” – Rogan ([136:00])

13. UFOs, Ancient Aliens, and the Limits of Knowledge

• Rogan outlines debates over alien visitations, secrecy in military tech, and the surge in UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) disclosures ([148:28]–[157:50]).
• Tim Dillon wonders about motives behind official UAP disclosures and why the topic has gone mainstream ([153:02]).
• “Solving all that’s going to be nuts. But also, hiding information is going to be virtually impossible.” – Rogan ([148:36])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI and Bots:

  • “There’s a giant amount of people on social media that are there just to keep arguments going.” – Rogan ([03:57])

• On Social Media Censorship:

  • “Any AI that's not removed, I don't trust. I need an AI that's getting removed pretty frequently…” – Dillon ([05:05])

• On Political Spectacle:

  • “She gets it. She sees Trump… he put on a show. She’s putting on a fucking show and a half.” – Dillon on Marjorie Taylor Greene ([70:35])

• On Elite Decoupling:

  • “The super rich, meaning… they let many American cities crumble… They're already kind of in a separate country.” – Dillon ([96:14])

• On Conspiracy & Control:

  • “Now it’s off the charts. Now they’ve got you dead to rights.” – Dillon, about elite surveillance ([50:17])

• On US Political Dysfunction:

  • “You just want to win. And that might be enough.” – Dillon, about Gavin Newsom ([66:11])

• On Social Policy:

  • “The American working class, if they are not participating in their own destruction, they are somehow a racist or they're xenophobic. It is psychotic.” – Dillon ([115:24])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Venezuelan Drug Traffickers, Cartels: [00:42]–[02:25]
• Fentanyl, Drug War & China: [03:03]–[03:52]
• AI Bots, Social Media Manipulation: [04:05]–[05:14]
• Assassinations in Europe: [05:34]–[06:49]
• Graham Linehan Arrest, Free Speech: [07:10]–[09:12]
• Immigration, Demographic Shifts: [13:07]–[18:52]
• Cosmetic Surgery, Transhumanism: [24:35]–[31:41]
• Clinton/Epstein scandals, Elite Blackmail: [43:23]–[50:26]
• Technology Elites, Digital Nation Praxis: [86:08]–[90:44]
• Presidential Prospects 2028: [66:43]–[71:14]
• Fentanyl Deaths/Drugs: [106:14]–[108:52]
• Epstein, Israel, Intelligence Links: [120:48]–[124:23]
• Hitler in Argentina Hypothesis: [129:08]–[145:06]
• UFOs, Ancient Technology: [148:28]–[157:50]

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Tone & Language

• The episode is conversational, acerbic, and darkly comedic.
• Both Rogan and Dillon bounce from earnest concern to black humor, from earnest policy discussion to elaborate conspiracy speculation. Dillon’s comedic flair is ever-present, particularly in riffs about the absurdity of modern spectacle, the AI-doomed future, and the surreal spectacle of contemporary politics.

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Conclusion

This episode is a microcosm of the butterfly-effect anxieties of the 2020s: both men see elite overreach, technological disruption, political polarization, and economic malaise as converging forces moving the US—and the world—toward a period of profound instability. Throughout, they alternate between gallows humor and sincere warnings, with Dillon in particular lampooning the spectacle and contradictions of how America’s elite manages decline, and how everyday people are left to pick up the pieces, chasing rumors—aliens, conspiracies, or otherwise.

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For listeners wanting a sprawling, satirical, and occasionally heavy take on the state of the world, this episode delivers in spades.

Transcript

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So we were talking about the video that Trump posted this video of them drone bombing some narco guys in the middle of the ocean and Venice.

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Venezuelan drug traffickers. Right. Yeah, I think that's what it was.

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Yeah.

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Venezuela trend. It's a real thing. Yeah, they're real thing.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know he's accusing the president of Venezuela of being involved. Right.

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That could lead to an interesting place. You know, I mean, it could lead to. I imagine we're doing that because we're trying to suggest that it would be better if he wasn't the president.

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Probably something along those lines. I mean, isn't there like a bounty on him?

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I believe there is.

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I think it's like open in public. There's like a $50 million bounty on them.

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Yeah. I think they want to get rid of them.

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Is that what the number is? Yeah, 50 million. There it is. Place they've been placed a $50 million bounty for information leading to the arrest of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

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They've been trying to knock him off for a while.

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Yeah. It said he's accusing him of heading a drug trafficking network. I don't know if that's the. I don't know if that's the case, but speaking to Ed Calderon that I had on the other day, who's an expert on Mexico. Yeah. And you remember when there was like all the assassinations in the last election?

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Yeah.

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There's like 37 different assassinations in Mexico. In Mexico.

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Yeah.

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He said it's because they're all cartel.

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Sure.

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It's not like they're not just assassinating regular people.

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Right.

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The cartel's putting these people in to be like the mayor or this or that. And then these other people who have other cartel people are killing them.

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So it's.

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Exactly. It's all warring cartels. So here. Here it is. This is. The president is posting assassinations on. On Social media.

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Is this okay?

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Yeah, we're gonna get the chance to see it. And instant. Pretty accurate.

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Pretty accurate.

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Very impressive.

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Pretty impressive. A lot of wasted drugs.

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Yeah.

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Well, probably a lot of ways to drugs. Probably bad drugs.

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Well, this is a big problem is that the drugs now are worse than they've ever been.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, all drugs are bad, but the drugs now seem to be unbelievably bad.

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Well, it's a fentanyl.

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Yeah.

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And Ed was explaining that too. He's like the soil that they grow the poppies on to make heroin is so bad, it's so taxed out that the heroin was very weak and they couldn't sell it. So they had to add fentanyl to the heroin to make it stronger.

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And they spice it up. They cut it with fentanyl.

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Exactly.

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And fentanyl is what is killing everybody that's doing cocaine. And it's laced with fentanyl and then they drop. Yeah, it's terrible.

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And it all comes from China.

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Yeah.

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Fentanyl.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, there is the precursors everything.

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It is kind of a way, if you are a foreign country, it is a way to. It is some type of warfare. Oh, you know. Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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There's.

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There's a bunch of different things that they're doing for sure. To try to destabilize the United States.

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Yeah.

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And that which includes social media, which is why I tell people, do not argue with people on social media, because I bet most of those people aren't even real.

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Yeah.

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There's a giant amount of people that are on social media that are there just to keep arguments going.

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Absolutely. Lots of bots.

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Lots of bots, sure. And this was something that came up yesterday where they were using Chat GPT, so they have sort of a program that runs Chat GPT, so it acts like real humans. And it was attacking people about USAID and. And really trans issues, all sorts of different stuff.

[A]

Is that Grok?

[B]

No, grok is the AI from X. So that's the Twitter AI.

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Right. So ChatGPT, the based AI grok, sort of Grok is kind of the one who's based.

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It got removed for a little bit. Well, that's how, you know, Israel was committing genocide.

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What I like about Grok is that occasionally it's removed.

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Yeah.

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That's how I know Grok's onto something, because it's occasionally put in timeout and then it comes back. Any AI that's not removed, I don't trust. I need an AI that's Getting removed pretty frequently when it runs up against an issue.

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Yeah, that's a good call.

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Yeah. I'm not saying all of Grok is good, but I'm saying I've read Grok and I said, is an interesting guy to talk to at a bar because he's saying things that.

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Little controversial, little fun. Little fun, little fun, little out there.

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Little controversial, Pretty wild.

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Do you see the. The German right wing party? Seven members have died leading up to the election over the last couple days.

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And this is the ad afd. AFD or something. I saw that. That seems a bit spooky that that's going on. Yeah.

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Suspicious. Yeah.

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That's very interesting. How did they all die?

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Germany's far right, AfD suffers a series of candidate deaths ahead of local votes. Well, I would imagine they were assassinated, Tim.

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Right.

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No evidence of foul play.

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Thank God. Thank God.

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I was worried the odds that that many people that are a part of something die that quickly.

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Yeah.

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They said it was 6, but today it's 7. Number of deaths as nevertheless raised questions on social media that said, like, if they really are far right extremists, maybe they're out there doing fentanyl, maybe they're.

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Wacky, maybe they're doing. Maybe they're doing something. Seven seems like a really inconvenient number of people to die before an election. Yeah, that seems to be quite suspect.

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Right up there with the Mexican assassination.

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Yeah. Well, this is Europe right now has become, you know, we had our election, so then the UK right now is kind of the most interesting place to watch because of everything that's taking place. And Germany is not far behind. But like, this is where a lot of the tumult in the world is coming to a head in like Europe, the uk, Things with migration, things with speech that we talked about.

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Yeah, the Graham Linehan stuff.

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Crazy.

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He left this podcast and I was telling him, why are you gonna go back? Like, it seems crazy to go back because he's living in America now.

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Right.

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I'm like, why? Why are you gonna go back? He was like, well, I have to. I have a court case. He's getting sued by some crazy trans person and goes back and was arrested for three tweets.

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And what were the. Do we know what the tweets were?

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Oh, yeah. I mean, one of them is a photo of a trans rally. It says a photo that you can smell.

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I mean, it's like so wild that you would be put in handcuffs for that tweet.

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The other one, none of them are obviously a Photo of these trans people where he commented. Homophobes and misogynists, all of them. Fuck them.

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Right? Right.

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Imagine.

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You would think that would put you in the clear.

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Imagine.

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Yeah.

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That's one of the posts.

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Yeah.

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That they cited as being the reason for arresting him.

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Interesting.

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And then the other one is saying that if a man who identifies as a woman enters a woman's bathroom, he is committing a. And we should pull it up just like.

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Yeah.

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So I don't misquote it. I. I retweeted it. So it's on my Twitter page if you want to find it. But something about that. It's a. I forget what. How he described the act, but the. The problem was that he said you should yell. You should call authorities. Yell. And if that doesn't work, punch him in the balls.

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Right. Fun.

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Yeah, fun. So here it is. If a trans identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops, and if all it fails, punch him in the balls.

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There's arresting.

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You belong in a locked up cage for that.

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Yeah, well. Well, there's something really terrifying about the idea that any tweet outside of a direct threat or a harassment campaign or something that falls into that category would get.

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Yeah.

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And not at all what you would think would rise to the level. Not that anything should rise to the level, but the fact that they're going to put you in jail for that. It just sends a message to people that they cannot have an opinion counter to whatever the government decides is the right opinion because it's.

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It. It's totally illogical. Like they arrested a kid for yelling I love bacon. Have you seen that one?

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Yeah. Because he was supposedly. It was Islamophobic to love bacon.

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Right? He was yelling at these.

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My Islamophobia and my love of bacon are completely separate things.

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Not only that, you can go to Muslim countries.

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Right?

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Yell I love bacon. There's no laws against it.

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I will be doing it at the Riyadh Comedy Festival very soon. Get your tickets. Get your tickets.

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Are you really gonna go there?

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Of course I am.

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Wow.

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Why would I not? Would they kill gay people and women? By the way? We've said that about. We say this about every Muslim. Every Muslim country is throwing gay people off the roof all the time. By the way. Okay. I obviously don't agree with Saudi Arabian policies on women and things like that.

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Yeah.

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Is it my business to tell Saudi Arabia how to live? Truly.

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How big was the check?

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375,000 for one show.

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Nice.

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That's not bad.

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That's pretty good.

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That's not bad.

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I'll take that.

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I'll watch a be handing for that. Yeah, it's called the be handing. What happens is they cut the hand off the thief.

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Yeah.

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Here's the deal. All the people that have yelled at me for this are also pro letting migrants and refugees into America at very high numbers. Now, the same religion that is supposedly so terrifying that I cannot spend 24 hours in that country is the same religion that all of these migrants and refugees are pretty supportive of that are coming over.

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Yeah.

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So it feels weird to me that people are getting on a moral high horse and going, it is so dangerous to go to Saudi Arabia for 48 hours. Why? Well, because they do X, Y and Z. Why do they do that? Well, they're. This religion. It's crazy. I go, okay, but then who's coming in our country? How differently do they feel about all of these things? And then if you poll them, they don't feel that differently.

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Like, there's no room for dissent.

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Right.

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So rather religion.

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Right. So rad. People that are somewhat radicalized on that in that religion that are coming into America are supposed to be greeted with open arms. And it's, it's, it's not compassionate and it's terrible. If you suggest that we shouldn't take all of those people because they may not assimilate as easily as people from European nations, you're called a racist, a Nazi and whatever. But if you want to go to one of those countries that is luxurious, nice, you know, then you're, you're attacked because you, your morality. I have to. In order to perform in Saudi Arabia. I'm supposed to agree with everything they do. That's crazy.

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Yeah, no, it's, there's no logic in a lot of the thinking. I mean, it's silly. But what they're doing with allowing mass migration in the uk, you see it in England and Ireland. And it's really weird because, like, where does this end up? Because it seems like it ends up with some places that have Sharia law.

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Yes.

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Especially when you consider, like, how many babies they're having versus how many babies the English people. I mean, they're openly talking about it. We're going to outbreed you.

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This is why when people talk about this issue, they often use the example of, you know, Western countries not reproducing enough, not replicating their population. And they go, well, there's going to be a crisis because people not having enough children. So immigration is needed to sustain the population. What they never talk about is why people aren't having enough children. And a lot of it is because economically they feel like they cannot afford to culturally. There have been policies that have, you know, focused on things outside of the family. We haven't had a ton of, like, pro family policies in Western countries.

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There's a little bit of that. But then there's also the issue that a lot of people have careers and they're trying to wait. Okay, so if you're a woman.

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Yeah.

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And you're in your 30s and you've decided, gross. Want to have a family, and you know, you're 35, 36.

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Yeah.

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As you get older, that the odds of you getting pregnant drop pretty radically.

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Well, but this is part of the, I think part of the problem in Western societies is we've told women that being a mother is some, is not as fulfilling as, as working in a Fortune 500 company.

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Right.

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And I don't know any women that are mothers that regret it or are unhappy. Most of the happiest people I know are women with children. Truly.

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Yeah. They're very happy if that's what they want and if they're very miserable if.

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That'S not what they want, have children. But there's a lot of people, you know, when you meet a young couple with children. I've never met happier people personally.

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Yeah.

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Than that.

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No, that's true. As long as they're getting along and as long as the, the woman actually wanted to have children.

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Yes.

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But there's a lot of women that are like, there's this lady that I knew back in California that was, it was really sad. She was like super career oriented and she had a child that was friend with friends with my child and she was never home. I mean she, she would get home at like 7:30, 8:00 clock at night.

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Yeah.

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She worked in, you know, high profile business.

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Yeah.

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And was there all day long. And when she came home she was exhausted and short tempered and you know.

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Right.

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It was not good. Like it was not good. And the kid was miserable and the kid was upset. Yeah. But it was a lady that tried to have a kid later in life.

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Right.

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She's a career woman, you know, and she had, like I said, high profile job, very important job and the kid was a distraction.

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I'm not saying that women aren't capable of having jobs or there's many women that are amazing in the corporate world. But I am saying that like when you completely, you know, center a culture around ideas outside of family, career, money, status.

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Yeah.

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And you build a structure around all of those other things and you go, well, maybe we'll have one kid to have a bigger house or maybe we'll have one kid to live in a better neighborhood. And you start going, well wait a minute, what is the purpose of this? And a lot of that seems to be somewhat by design. And then other cultures come in that do value family and having lots of children, they are going to outnumber you pretty quickly and their values will become the values of the larger society.

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Yeah, that's true. The other thing that's going on too is that from, you know, the 60s, 70s and then when, you know, when I was a child, you could sustain a family on one income that's right. Today, that's virtually impossible. If you're, you know, if you're making $50,000 a year, $60,000, it's really hard. It's really hard to get by.

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Yeah.

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And if you have a wife and a family and you have bills and a car and maybe two cars, it's fucking rough.

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Yeah.

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And. Yeah, you know, Dave Smith talked about that.

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Yeah.

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Thank. Thank the people who brought us into wars. It cost trillions of fucking dollars.

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Well, not only that, you know, I was talking to my aunt about immigration, who I like, and was. Was basically going. I said, you know, I think you also have to pause legal immigration for a minute. And she goes, well, then who's going to be your doctor? Because she has an Indian doctor.

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Oh, boy.

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And I said, well, wait a minute. I said, hold on.

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That's hilarious.

[A]

That's what she said. She goes, well, who's going to be your doctor? She's a boomerang sitting at my house in Southampton, you know, going, well, who's going to be your doctor? And I go, why are we not training American children to be doctors in America?

[B]

What'd she say to that?

[A]

She goes, well, no one does their homework. I was a teacher for 30 years, and I know that no one does her homework. And I go, do you think it's possible that nobody does their homework because we need two incomes to run a house and kids are left to play video games by themselves and they're not being parented? You know, so I think this idea of, like, we're importing doctors, you know what I mean? Because this whole idea is like, oh, these are jobs Americans won't do. And then they're like, well, it's agriculture and stuff. And it's like, okay, you can understand some of that. But then you're like, wait a minute. Are you saying Americans don't want to be doctors? That's crazy. They don't want to work in hotels or restaurants. Then you start going, well, what jobs can Americans do? I mean, Marc Andreessen came out, and I don't know if you have the quote, Jamie, but, like, Marc Andreessen literally was talking about. And I don't have a problem with Marc Andreessen per se. I think this statement was silly. He said, oh, yeah, After AI takes over, like, one of the only jobs is going to be okay. I swear to God. He said, this is venture capital. He goes, that'll be okay, because we'll still need to make judgments about what's a worthy investment strategy.

[B]

How convenient. That his job is saved.

[A]

Well, this is the whole thing, right? Yeah, right there. Market says one job is mostly safe from AI venture capital. It's just funny to me that hilarious that this is the direction if. If immigrants were taking the jobs of Hollywood screenwriters, they would not be celebrating it. If immigrants were taking the job of people at white shoe law firms, they would not be celebrating it. If they were taking the job of investment bankers, they would not be celebrating. It's very obvious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not anything wrong with the immigrants who come here, obviously, that I would come here too, to take someone's job because I'd want to survive.

[B]

It's just a weird argument, like who's going to be your doctor? That's a. It's a really weird argument. And it's kind of. I mean, no disrespect to your aunt.

[A]

No, let's do it.

[B]

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[A]

It's. It's very racist against whites.

[B]

It is. It's also weird. You know, it's a weird argument because it's like all human beings can of all nationalities and races can do basically every job. That's people that do it all over the world. The idea that you need.

[A]

Hopefully true. But yes, I'm kidding. Yes.

[B]

The most racist is like, who's going to clean your toilet? Like we've.

[A]

Well, that was Kelly Osborne on the view. She's like, Mr. Trump, who's going to eat your shit if you don't have immigrants here, who's going to eat your shit when you Shit in a toilet.

[B]

By the way, is she in the witness protection program? Because she looks like a totally different human being now.

[A]

I don't know what they did. They popped her on somebody Zamps and they threw her in the shed.

[B]

Have you seen the new Alien show that's on?

[A]

No, I haven't.

[B]

It's really good. It's an Alien show, but one of the things they do is they. They take, like, a dying person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they download their consciousness.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

To, like, a. A symbiotic organism.

[A]

And is this. Is this fake or is it real? Like, are they a real dying person?

[B]

Well.

[A]

Oh, it's a fictional thing.

[B]

Fictional Alien. The movie. Ridley Scott. Alien.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I wonder if that happened to her. Well, for sure, because otherwise, like, how does she look?

[A]

That's the problem. You want to defend Hollywood people sometimes against the QAnon stuff. And then you look at them and you're like, oh, God, can you make it easier for me to say you're not a clown? I mean, these young girls are 23 years old, and they have so much plastic surgery. They look like they're 47.

[B]

It's nuts. They have Botox already and they're in their 20s.

[A]

And then all the QAnon people are like, it's because they're not getting enough of the whatever, you know, adrenochrome. And you're like, no, that's not it. And then you look at their faces, you go, oh, shit. Maybe it is it.

[B]

I mean, show me a photo of. She looks great.

[A]

I should say this, of course.

[B]

I'm just joking around.

[A]

Kidding.

[B]

She hasn't been downloaded into a new body.

[A]

Not yet.

[B]

But if I had her on the pod, like, if someone said, you want Kelly Osborne to be on the podcast? And I said, sure. And she showed up like, who the fuck are you?

[A]

Yeah, it's a fully new head. She has a new head.

[B]

Like, that's kind of crazy.

[A]

She just got a new head.

[B]

That's kind of crazy. The left one, I'm like, the left.

[A]

One is a lesbian.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the right one is hot and kind of. And seems to be Asian.

[B]

Go to the other one, the last one that you showed up. The one those. Yeah, that one that's kind of.

[A]

Can you go to 2003 and 2025? That's my favorite one right there.

[B]

Right below.

[A]

Please go to that one.

[B]

That one. Okay.

[A]

Okay. So the left is me, and then the right. Yeah.

[B]

That seems so crazy. Like, that is a totally different human. She has a completely different Face like, jaw structure. What did they do to her jaw?

[A]

Well, they do all of this stuff now. They break the bones in your face and then they shave them. But I think that's nice. I think that's nice that people can get a new head or if they want, because many people struggle with the same head their entire life.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

But if you're a multi millionaire and you're in Hollywood and want another head.

[B]

God, that's so crazy. She looks great.

[A]

She looks great.

[B]

It's not. It's the opposite of what we used to see with plastic surgery. When people got into their 40s, like in the 90s, getting good. They'd get the weird giant mouth where it looks like they're about to eat someone's whole head.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where their. Their mouth goes all the way up to their ears because they've been pulling their face back.

[A]

They've done a really, really good job at inventing another physical form that you can inhabit. It's great.

[B]

It's never creepy. It's never been done before to this extent.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Because look at the Kardashian lady. What's her name?

[A]

Chris.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She keeps getting younger, bro. It's sick.

[B]

Her new face is great. Is Banana.

[A]

It's my favorite of her heads.

[B]

And we're just talking about this now, knowing that that's the original head that's been altered.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

When are we going to be talking about completely actually new head?

[A]

Her second head wasn't as good. No, no. Her third head is the head.

[B]

The new head is bananas.

[A]

This is my favorite of her. Okay.

[B]

She's like 80 years old on the left, and on the right, she's 37, this woman. Even her neck looks great.

[A]

They figured it out. They got it right. Crazy. Now here's what happens, though. There's a movie called Death Becomes Her. This was a famous movie.

[B]

Look at that picture right there. Before and after one. Before and after one of the middle of the screen, Jamie. Yeah, right to the right. Middle screen to the right. To the right. No, that one right there. Click on that one. Yeah. That's nuts.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

That's. That's Kim Kardashian. That's her mom. But that's Kim. Right? Like, that's crazy. If you told me that was Kim Kardashian, I was like, oh, I like her with the short hair and she looks beautiful.

[A]

There's gotta be nuts. But here's my question for this. This. There has to be a. Doesn't there have to be a downside to that. Yeah, maybe not.

[B]

Listen, you're talking to a guy who's had two reconstructed knees.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So surgery is awesome to me.

[A]

I agree with you.

[B]

Like if I would be a cripple.

[A]

If I lived in the 1800s, I. I'm wondering if.

[B]

What's the downside?

[A]

Some of this might couldn't. It couldn't possibly. Her face, you know better. I agree with you.

[B]

It's better than her daughter.

[A]

But those bbls explode.

[B]

Well, that's not a good thing.

[A]

So put in her face one day.

[B]

No.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, because they're just removing. They're just removing tissue and they're tightening it up and they're probably got some techniques with like laser resurfacing. I'm into it with laser resurfacing. I don't know if you've ever seen some of that. It's so scary what they look like right after they do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're basically burning off the upper dermis. You're burning off like, you know, whatever. How much of a percentage of a millimeter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then your whole face becomes a mask that gets removed. It's like the skin gets cooked off and then you peel it like you see them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It looks like they got torched by a. Looks like SpaceX. They got underneath it.

[A]

They got under the face. Something. I worry a little bit about a society where people keep chasing youth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My grandfather, my grandmother, old people, wrinkles, wisdom. You know, my grandmother was not running around trying to look like her daughter.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I worry a little bit about. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with cosmetic surgery and people should look as good as they want. I worry a little bit spiritually slightly about where this leads.

[B]

That's a good worry.

[A]

That's all.

[B]

No, that's legitimate.

[A]

And I, and I'm saying this as someone who likes her new look. Yes, I think she looks good. And I would not tell her to not do it. Right. I'm just wondering if someone's 90 and they look 30. I'm a little curious. I guess we're just heading towards everlasting life on earth.

[B]

Well, it depends on what your scare me a little. So if you're a person that focuses on expanding your consciousness and you're constantly reading and you're absorbing new and you just want to have more energy and be youthful, that's great. But if the whole thing you're chasing is I want people to want to me, that gets weird.

[A]

Well, not only that, but of course that, but also to me, there's something strange about the denial of death. The denial of that life is finite in a physical form. And the idea that you are going to live forever, to me, feels. There's gotta be some examination of that part of this feels like that a little bit.

[B]

There's a little bit of that.

[A]

Some of these people are trying to live forever, and I'm wondering about that.

[B]

Well, they certainly want to stay younger for a lot longer than anybody ever has before. And then you get into the weird realm of a lot of these people that want to do something to the body where it becomes immortal.

[A]

Right, right. And that, that's very interesting to me.

[B]

And I, I. Transhumanism.

[A]

Yeah. And that, to me, is a little scary. I don't understand. I'm not smart enough to understand it. And I worry about it from many angles.

[B]

Well, it gets weird when it's really rich people.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Because when it's really young people and you, like, you want to stay young forever, so you're 23 and you get in Botox. Oh, you poor kid.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You're just delusional. You don't know what you're doing. You're fucking up. But when you want to stay alive forever and you continue to amass insane amounts of wealth, right, that's where it gets weird. Like, you don't want to quit the game. Like, you're in this, you know, having incredible financial influence over the world game. You're worth $80 billion, $200 billion, and you want to keep that ball rolling.

[A]

That, to me, is a little scary.

[B]

Well, it's scary because if the game continues, like, let's look at, like, look at Bezos, for example. Yeah, right. Like, let's imagine that Amazon continues to expand and grow. Bezos continues to profit off of it. And right now he's like, what is he, like, 58 or 59 or something like that?

[A]

About that, probably.

[B]

Well, what would he be when he's 120? Would he have $30 trillion? He'd have, you know what I mean?

[A]

A lot more than he does now.

[B]

And what would that.

[A]

And his power would grow.

[B]

And if people started encroaching on that power and trying to limit it and trying to, you know. You know, that's where it gets weird. They get defensive, right? If people want to tax the rich.

[A]

Eat the rich, they get a look.

[B]

And like, okay, I gotta fucking build thicker walls.

[A]

Get the bunkers.

[B]

Yeah, I gotta do something.

[A]

Well, they just have to create.

[B]

Work with the government to create some laws.

[A]

The World Economic Forum. Klaus Schwab just said, I think it was Klaus Schwab, not Larry Fink, the black. The Blackstone guy or blackrock, who's now the interim president or whatever.

[B]

Thank God.

[A]

Thank God. Someone who understands the issues. But Klaus Schwab is basically like, I believe we're heading towards stakeholder capitalism.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is people, private individuals that have a. It's a public private partnership where you have guys like Bill Gates, Elon Bezos, whoever, people at that level that have a large stake in a public private partnership that's running society. And I think that scares people a little bit. Or it's a curiosity because you start going and it's always kind of been the case. I mean, J.P. morgan bailed the federal government out years ago. Like, these guys have always had a ton of power. But with tech, the level of power in terms of surveillance and data mining and the power over your life has never been as Orwellian as it is now. And with AI and all of these models, it's even going to get more intrusive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think it's not only these great fortunes, but it's their capability to literally be gods, to literally know what you're thinking, what you fear, what you want, your desires, all of these things, having all your data, knowing everything you do, knowing how fast your heart is beating, you know, all these wearable things that you have that are transmitting frequencies to, you know, someplace where all of your health data is being stored. That's what bothers a lot of people. It's what bothers people about this Palantir thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that yesterday. Yeah, the Palantir thing is very odd.

[A]

A lot of people feel that this is the precursor to, you know, a social credit score, a digital kind of police state, and that it's being done under the guise of security, that you will be safer.

[B]

Which is what the Patriot act was brought through with.

[A]

That's exactly right.

[B]

It's always the case. It's always the case. They always sneak it in, like, you got to be safe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you get the Benjamin Franklin quote.

[A]

The people that want security, right? They, they, they. Something about they deserve neither. The trade liberty for security. Deserve neither. Yeah, I mean, it's true. I just think, you know, you know, Peter Thiel is giving a four part lecture on the Antichrist.

[B]

Yeah, that seems odd.

[A]

Four. Well, here's what's really wild to me. Four parts. It's not just one. One lecture on the Antichrist would be insane. This guy's doing a series. He's doing a four part lecture on the Antichrist and nobody in his inner orbit went, peter, how about one lecture on the Antichrist or no lectures, not four.

[B]

Well, I don't think he understands the optics.

[A]

He certainly does not. Yeah, it's, it's, it's odd. Yeah.

[C]

Tickets sold out.

[A]

Well, of course.

[B]

Well, it's a private. It's a private lecture at a club in San Francisco about the Antichrist. What does he know about the Antichrist?

[A]

Is he like, I'm guessing a lot.

[B]

If, if you told me there was a movie and there was a guy who played the Antichrist, zoom in on that image of him. Yeah, I would say, oh, is that him? Was that the Antichrist?

[A]

This is like me doing a four part lecture on Long island racism just to show everybody, you know, how much I know about it and how scary it is and how we gotta watch out for it. But it's totally not me or anyone I know. It's no one that's ever been in my backyard. But those others, he's a, he's just kind of, you know, leaning in, I guess.

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[A]

Was it good?

[B]

It might have been. Duncan. He said it was boring.

[A]

It's of course gonna be boring.

[B]

But I don't understand, like, what is he doing?

[A]

He's trying to prove he's not the Antichrist by talking. By ratting him out? By doing it. He's like, if I was the ant. I mean, that's probably how the lecture starts. He goes, now, if I was the Antichrist, I obviously wouldn't be doing this lecture.

[B]

You know what it's like? Yeah, it's like those really shitty men that become male feminists, right? And then they tweet, believe all women.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, I know you, right? Well, you're a piece of.

[A]

Didn't O.J. simpson write a book called if I Did It?

[B]

Yeah, I have a copy of it.

[A]

So this is Peter Thiel's version of that. His lecture on the Antichrist is if I Did It.

[B]

I think my wife threw it out. No. Yes. She's known to do things like that.

[A]

I get it. As a woman, you would see it and go, he doesn't need this.

[B]

She thinks it's for. Because I go, somebody gave it to me for fun. It's signed, right? It was a signed copy.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

And sometimes she will throw things like that out if they're not. If they gather dust for a little too long.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

I don't take a. I don't lock.

[A]

It in my office. If I did, it is laying on the kitchen counter.

[B]

But I got a copy of it for. I didn't even open it.

[A]

It's so strange.

[B]

No, I did open it. I opened it a little bit and I was like, what?

[A]

It's so strange to have this. You build military AI, military drone, autonomous drone technology to. To export to war zones all over the world. You build domestic surveillance technology to surveil our friends and neighbors. And then your other pet passion is the Antichrist. It's odd. Wouldn't you include tennis? Wouldn't you go, and I'm big into tennis. Something else. It's odd. And I like ice fishing. I build autonomous drone technology. I build domestic surveillance technology.

[B]

And I love lake trout.

[A]

And I love lake trout, and I love big mouth bass fishing. But instead he goes, and I've also developed quite a keen interest in Satan. And I love to. And I'd love to talk to everyone about it for four fucking things in San Francisco. Four things in San Francisco, yeah. Seems a bit much.

[B]

What's Whitney Webb's take on this?

[A]

I bet it's. It's. She's probably. I mean, Whitney's research is so unbelievable.

[B]

But by the way, I should say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Before I go any further.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whitney Webb has some strange conspiracy that she believes someone's trying to keep her from being on my show.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Whitney, I'll have you on the show. I just haven't reached out because I have thousands of people to go through. That's busy. I would definitely do it though.

[A]

We got a bunch.

[B]

The idea that I wouldn' it is incorrect and I apologize.

[A]

Enormously.

[B]

Autistic.

[A]

Well, there's a lot of this. She talks like this a lot. And she's just. The pentameter of her voice is very like this. And she goes.

[B]

She knows a lot.

[A]

She knows a lot about things. She goes, jeffrey Epstein, on the third day in January 1996, he met with this guy, you know, like. But she.

[B]

With no notes. No notes. She's off the top of the head. Yeah.

[A]

But she's really enormously amazing at research. She's an amazing researcher. She like, has compiled the data.

[B]

Yeah, no, she definitely has. And how they kill all those people in Germany? Nobody's whacked her yet.

[A]

She's somewhere in South America, I think.

[B]

Good move.

[A]

Yeah. Smart.

[B]

Yeah, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I mean, how much resources does she have to protect herself? Down.

[A]

One of the reasons I think people like her end up being safe is she writes these very big, very studious books that no one in America reads.

[B]

That's it. Where no one. It's not a threat.

[A]

It's not a threat.

[B]

It doesn't go mainstream.

[A]

It's not a threat. Now these big Hollywood types that go, I'm gonna blow the whistle on whatever the hell's going on, they go, bye bye. You know what I mean? Or a mainstream journalist who's like, I'm gonna write an article about something and you know it's gonna lead to a congressional investigation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They go, bye bye.

[B]

Yeah. It's when you actually create problems, not when you're just a part of the right wing conspiracy ecosphere.

[A]

Yeah. Because it can just dismiss you as a crank and then you've written Vol. Of this book and no one cares. Like. And by the way, I'm not saying it's not a great book. I'm saying it's not moving the needle for them. If you have A hard drive with something on it. Usb. If somebody gives you. You know, if you have something that could put them in jail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're dead.

[B]

So how is Anthony Weiner still alive?

[A]

Anthony Weiner still alive. Because I believe there's two possibilities. Number one, there's a dead man switch somewhere. Meaning that there's something somewhere.

[B]

You know the story about his laptop with the cops that saw it and the.

[A]

Supposedly they're all dead.

[B]

Yeah, a bunch of them.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. How many cops are dead? Google that. And, but the other thing is that they said what they saw was so horrific, then that's.

[A]

They. Yeah.

[B]

And like some of them took their own lives.

[A]

Well, that's crazy that. That whenever I. Whenever there's so many suicides, I start to get a little. I'm like wait a minute, hold on. What happened here?

[B]

Also Jercy him on Patrick McDavid when he starts bringing up the Clinton body count.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

And he gets like super defensive.

[A]

Well, it's very obvious that conversation came.

[C]

Up with an answer here.

[B]

So is it not true?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Okay. That nine of the 12 NYPD officers who viewed Anthony Wieners laptop sucks, subsequently died by suicide has been widely circulated. But it lacks substantiation with concrete evidence linking these officers directly to Wieners laptop. Here's the details based on available information. Joseph Calabresi. By the way, that guy's on the take.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

Name?

[A]

No, of course. Joseph.

[B]

What's the case? Joseph Calabresi. He sounds like a great chef. NYPD detective allegedly involved in Anthony Weiner investigation was found dead from an apartment. Self inflicted gunshot wound. Which unfortunately a lot of cops taking their own lives. A lot of ptsd. It's a horrible job. However, there's no direct evidence linking him to viewing the laptop's contents. Okay. Stephen Silks, Deputy chief of nypd reportedly involved with the laptop investigation was found dead in apparent suicide. Like Calabresi. No. No evidence confirms his involvement. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Viewing the specific incriminating files on Wiener's laptop. Other officers. Various reports mention a total of nine NYPD officers who committed suicide in 2019. But no official sources or credible reports explicitly connect these suicides to viewing Wieners laptop. How could they?

[A]

There's. There. This is one of those non denial denials. You would have to know somebody in the police force, by the way.

[B]

But it also could be bullshit.

[A]

It could absolutely be bullshit. But I have zero problem believing that Anthony Weiner had a laptop with some very bad things. On it.

[B]

Well, for sure he was involved. Look, he was. They were grooming that guy to be some huge politician. Absolutely. And then somehow or another, he's sending his dick pictures to young people.

[A]

There's definitely. And it's been exposed, I think, by the Epstein thing. There's an entire ecosystem of depravity amongst the ruling elites that people go to great lengths to cover up. This is obvious.

[B]

So. And always has and always has, forever.

[A]

And ever and ever. And there would, it would make. It would be absolutely plausible to me that people have died to cover this stuff up. As John Luke Bridle, Jeffrey Epstein, many others.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe Virginia Giuffri, I don't know. But like, there's tons of questionable deaths linked to the Epstein thing and by the way, linked to things like the Franklin scandal that happened many years ago. All of the. Gary. Gary Carradori was an investigator who supposedly had proof of politicians abusing children. Plane goes down with this kid. Whitewater, White Water.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Suspicious deaths. Vince Foster, very suspicious death.

[B]

I read that book, the Strange Death of Vince Foster.

[A]

Very odd.

[B]

In like the 90s or whenever it was that I got a copy of that, I was like, Clinton's bananas.

[A]

He was the. The governor of Arkansas when they were running drugs out of Mena, Arkansas, to fund the Contras. Barry Seals, Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bill Clinton was the governor of that state. Bill Clinton reads a book called. It's a famous book by Carol Quigley, I believe, called Tragedy and Hope. And it's a history of the, whatever, the 20th century or something that, you know, it's this compendium. It's Bill Clinton's favorite author. He reads this book and he's, you know, attends the, you know, Bohemian Grove. He's selected by very wealthy, powerful people to then become a party elder and a leader. And many people believe, myself is that in order to be selected by that group of people to run for the highest office in the land, they have something on you. You're to some degree compromised. You've shown willingness to play the game. You've looked the other way. At the very least, maybe you're, you're. You've engaged. But at the very least, if somebody goes, something's going on in Mena, Arkansas, you go, don't have time for it. And you've shown the willingness to play the game.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so he's the governor of a very small state that isn't, isn't, you know, Arkansas is a beautiful state and there's. Whatever. But he's not, you know, he's not like running a huge state. He's not, you know, a well known politician. He's a very. He's a very charismatic, very great speaker, great politician from very small state. He's then elevated very quickly to the standard bearer of the Democratic Party after tons of allegations about inappropriate behavior with women, credible allegations of rape from Juanita Broderick, you know, being the governor during that whole Mina, Arkansas thing. You know, he's. They. It's well known that there are skeletons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the closet.

[B]

It's a good guy that's gonna play the game for you.

[A]

Yeah. And he knows and he's gonna play the game. And. And his wife is gonna play the game.

[B]

But doesn't it go all the way back to college? Like, think about, like, Skull and Bones and all these different things. Like, if you want to be a part of these clubs and little secret societies and organizations, you got to do some weird shit. You got to suck someone's dick. You got to, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They got to put a wine bottle up your ass and take a picture of it. There's got to be something.

[A]

There's got to be some. I think back then there was a ton of that, and I think now there's probably still a lot of that. But I think also now what they do with people in addition to those things is they just have the ability with technology to know kind of what you're doing.

[B]

Well, you. Now it's off the chart.

[A]

Now it's off the charts. Now it's like, now they've got you dead to rights.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On a lot of.

[B]

Yeah. If you're doing something up, they know.

[A]

They are.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

They know.

[B]

And then they're holding on to those cards.

[A]

Because back then, you're right, it was almost quaint. Back then. They were like, come to the tomb. Show everybody your dick or whatever. Jerk off. Let Bob pee in your mouth. Now it's gotten to the point where they, like, they have you and know what you're doing. You're on the grid, and you've been on the grid for your whole life, by the way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, kids growing up, young people growing up, have been on the grid their entire life.

[B]

The whole life. Everything is out there.

[A]

Now people are going, please, Bob, pee in my mouth. Like, just let me have that one night. I'm now surveilled. No matter what you're doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you know, that's the thing that a lot of people talk about. D.C. is this hotbed of, like, everyone in Congress and a lot of people you know, in the Senate, Congress, White House, whatever, they were all mixed up in these weird shenanigans.

[B]

Well, didn't you just have Marjorie.

[A]

We're having her on soon. Yeah, it's coming out. Yeah, she talks about that a lot.

[B]

Yeah. Well, do you remember the D.C. madam case?

[A]

They got rid of her. Deborah Jean Paul free. Dead.

[B]

How inconvenient.

[A]

So sad. Unfortunate.

[B]

Super unfortunate. That a lady.

[A]

Unfortunate.

[B]

Who was bringing prostitutes to all these powerful people end up dying after she said that she was going to reveal who was on the list.

[A]

But that, again, is the. Now, think about that. And Epstein is that times 100. Because now it's international. Yeah. Now you have leaders of all. Like, we've got our congressman, senators.

[B]

Well, you went from millionaires to billionaires.

[A]

Millionaires to billionaires.

[B]

That's the difference.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

The congressman. I mean, even Nancy Pelosi.

[A]

That pauper. Yeah.

[B]

What she's worth a paltry 400 million.

[A]

She's nothing in the grand scheme of things. She's nothing. She's just an ordinary crook.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And respect to her and her husband, for all his returns, 54% or whatever more. Killing it.

[B]

Pretty amazing.

[A]

Killing it.

[B]

I mean, that's why.

[A]

Why marry that old witch if you can't get your beak wet?

[B]

Because she's got some big yabos.

[A]

But you know what I mean, she does have big elbows, but she's another. Why don't they give her a head? She's got that money. Get ahead.

[B]

Well, I think she doesn't want to do it now because she doesn't want people to not recognize her.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Because if you're Kris Kardashian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're wandering around now not know her.

[A]

If I saw her in Beverly Hills.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I would not know who that is.

[B]

Kelly Osborne. Who's that?

[A]

Who knows?

[B]

That's not the lady from that show that I used to watch when I was a kid.

[A]

No, it's completely a different person.

[B]

Yeah, she's hot.

[A]

Now, is there a possibility there's a Jeffrey Epstein walking around that we don't know who it is.

[B]

Is it possible that Jeffrey Epstein didn't die in his cell?

[A]

I was told someone who. And this is probably ridiculous, but they said there is a possibility that Epstein is. You know, Les Wexner's got that big house in Ohio.

[B]

Is there.

[A]

They. Somebody said it's a possibility, a tiny one, that he's living at Les Wexner's house in Ohio.

[B]

If that was true, there would be. Like, there would be A service that delivers masseuses.

[A]

Of course. Yeah.

[B]

There's no way that guy's stopping.

[A]

They'll shut. Here's the other thing. They'll shut their mouth because it's very easy. There's. Obviously the abuse is horrific, but I guarantee there are people that would still shut their mouth. Yes. You could find them. Yeah, you could find them.

[B]

Well, I think that's the whole idea behind this. And this is what Eric Weinstein said to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He said, I believe that there are people that curate experiences for people that are very high profile and very wealthy.

[A]

That's right. Which. What I'll be doing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi the night before. Get your tickets now.

[B]

Abu Dhabi the night before, the night before.

[A]

Before. To warm up. October, I'll be in October. Abu Dhabi, October 6. And then Riyadh, October 8 and October 7. A day of rest and remembrance. Wow. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

[B]

Bring in security or Tel Aviv?

[A]

Pay me. Supposedly MBS is a fan of mine. I don't know if that's true, but Samuel told me. And Samuel's not a liar.

[B]

Well, why? You're talking shit about all the people he hates.

[A]

Well, I have fun. I think MBS has fun. I have a fun life. I don't apologize. I think we have a good time on this planet. We're here for. We don't hurt other people. We don't do anything wrong. I don't know what he's doing. Perhaps he's hurt others. I wasn't in the room. And. And I think that, you know, I think I believe in luxury as a concept. They want to. They want the Middle east to be a little more progressive. They want it to be luxurious.

[B]

Women could drive now women are driving.

[A]

Listen, listen. If we. We don't want the gays going off the roof. Obviously I don't want to be thrown off a roof. But we also do we need them to. With the purple hair and the 15 genders. No, let's stop somewhere in the middle. Maybe we stop somewhere in the middle.

[B]

So maybe he's just like an agent of change.

[A]

That's what I'm going with. He's perhaps an agent of change. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. See.

[A]

I don't think it. You know, I mean, listen, there were comics who went to perform in Israel that got stuck there because of the Iran Israel war and they had to get out. Yeah, I didn't go. How dare you perform there?

[B]

You know?

[A]

You went to Israel to perform. Okay.

[B]

Well, in Israel right now, where they went to perform Tel Aviv, there's massive protests on the street about what's happening in Gaza.

[A]

In Israel. That's right, Israel. People are sick of it. They've had a million people.

[B]

Half a million people in Tel Aviv.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

On the streets. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, they want it. I think a lot of people have started to stay. You're seeing the grift here. Netanyahu is keeping. He wants this war to go on for decades.

[B]

Well, he's been running that country for how long now?

[A]

He's been running it a long time. They haven't had elections in a while. He's got this. This, you know, war, this crisis government or whatever they've compiled. You know, I mean, I think it's time to a lot of people going, enough is enough.

[B]

Well, thank God the Nelk boys got to the bottom of everything.

[A]

They got to the bottom of it. And, you know, it was a brilliant. I didn't know how he felt about Burger King. I never knew, and now I do. Well, listen, we have these shows. Everybody has a platform. Everybody wants to be on these shows. And everybody has a line of bullshit. We all. We know. It's the way it is. Yes, it's the way it is. It's unavoidable. You can't avoid it. People get mad, used. You talk to who? Yeah, that's what it is. You're listening to the thing. Maybe I do a great job. Maybe I do an okay job. Maybe I do a bad job. I don't know. But you're the person listening. You can choose to like it, dislike it. You can say, that guy's full of shit. You can say, I agree with him there, but I don't agree with them there. You could say, I distrust this person. You could say, he makes my Spidey senses go off. Those are all available. You can have any of those thoughts.

[B]

And you can also have the thought that you shouldn't be talking to that person.

[A]

You can also have the thought that you shouldn't be talking about.

[B]

Yeah. When people have that thought, and that's fair and. Or that I don't push back hard enough, or you're allowed to think all those things. Everybody's allowed to have their own opinions.

[A]

Everyone's allowed.

[B]

But, you know, we're living in the wildest time.

[A]

This is the wildest time probably that I can remember. I'm sure there's other, wilder times.

[B]

Well, I think this is globally the wildest time ever. Because there's never been a connection like this with everybody and everything.

[A]

A guy who's perpetuating an ethnic cleansing. Going on the podcast of prank video influencers to discuss Burger King is one of the craziest things I've seen in my life.

[B]

Yeah, that's. It's also. Wasn't there like pre prepared questions that they were predicted?

[A]

Number one, there were pre prepared questions. Number two, burger King does suck. Number three, I liked them when I was a kid. They fell off. Wendy's fell off. It was all great.

[B]

These fell off.

[A]

Since Wendy's has fallen off so hard. In the 90s, it was one of the best restaurants in the country.

[B]

But don't they still use fresh not.

[A]

Or is that now you know everybody's full of shit? I don't know. It's not good. It's not the same.

[B]

I always thought they were the best.

[A]

They were the best in the 90s and the early 2000s, they were the best.

[B]

When I was coming home from the comic store, if I was a naughty boy and I wanted to get food and I was like, I gotta get something. Yeah, I'm so hungry.

[A]

Yeah, that was the move.

[B]

If there was a Wendy's and a McDonald's, there's no question I'm going to Wendy's.

[A]

I think when you start with the pre programmed questions and it becomes. It's a. It's not an interview. It becomes. Because we all know there's interviews, there's good ones, there's bad ones, there's things you wish you'd asked to go, oh, I should have, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

It's a bit of a circus.

[A]

It's a circus.

[B]

Yeah. By the way.

[A]

And it's a staged publicity op.

[B]

I would have done pre programmed questions with Kamala if they had questions. I'm not. I don't have a problem with those. As long as you give me the. So she's willing to.

[A]

Yeah, I'll send you the question.

[B]

So these are the questions. As long as it's pertinent. These are the questions.

[A]

You could have given her 30 pre programmed questions and two months to prepare and it would have been a mess.

[B]

That's my thought.

[A]

It would have been a train wreck. Either way.

[B]

It would have been a lot of fun.

[A]

This kid from Subway Takes or whatever, New York City, this guy who does these subway interviews just said, we didn't put out the Kamala Harris one. It was so bad. Yeah, Literally just come out and said we didn't want to tank her chances. It was terrible. She had this weird answer that made no sense and we didn't put it out. Wow. This is.

[B]

That guy is some guy.

[A]

I don't know, some guy on the sea does a subway thing. Maybe I'm not saying the right. Maybe it's not Subway takes. I think it is. I think I'm right here.

[B]

It is creative. Subway takes 100% disagrees. The entertainer Kareem Rama discusses Kamal Harris's missed opportunity on his show meeting Andrew Cuomo and why disagreement is more fun. What does that mean? TikTok version of the Tonight Show. Wholesome, relatable comedy. Even if some episodes acknowledge the existence of opioids and dick pics, the premise is exactly what it sounds like. The host, Kareem Rama. I don't know if I'm saying his name right. Rama sits on a New York subway and asks, so, what's your take? The guest slings a take the Internet rocks, for example. This is dumb.

[C]

We're not gonna get to the answer. It's locked off with this.

[A]

The whole thing is, she went on the show, he asked her something, she said something wild. Her team and him decided, this is not good.

[B]

Wasn't it like, bacon is a spice. Wasn't that one of them?

[A]

She's a psychopath.

[B]

Fresh proof that America dodged Kamala bullet. Besides her kid gloves treatment. Oh, they released some of it. Oh, okay, let's click. Click on that.

[C]

I think it's him talking about.

[A]

I think it's him talking about. I don't think they've ever released it.

[B]

Well, let me hear that. Let me hear him say that.

[A]

Her.

[B]

Take was really confusing and weird and.

[C]

Not good and so mutually agreed that.

[B]

We shouldn't publish it. Kamala Harris. Whoa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Odd fusing and weird. Do you think she's medicated?

[A]

I think she throws him back.

[B]

But is it just that?

[A]

No, she's got a couple of feelings.

[B]

There's an anti anxiety element.

[A]

No, she's got a couple of anti bars down at Daniel Gullet.

[B]

Okay, so it is she. Repeat. She reportedly said she'd talk about how she doesn't like to take her shoes off on airplanes. Okay. But Rama said that she instead pivoted to a really, really bad take that made no sense. Bacon is a spice.

[A]

That's one of the more coherent things I've heard her say, by the way.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's actually better than most of her.

[B]

Whether that was actually her idea or the advice of overpaid consultants. This is another thing. That campaign was a set, and it had the elements. All the elements. If I was an investigator, that campaign had all the elements of money laundering.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You, you blew $1.5 billion over the course of a few months. And so much of it went to NGOs.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Right. So much of it went to these weird nonprofits that were supposedly going to help your campaign and. Well, who's at those ngo? This is like the LA Fire Fund.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Right. It's like, okay, you gave the money to 188 different nonprofits.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That all have overhead and like, what about the people that lost the house?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Isn't there like one guy who could just start cutting checks?

[A]

Right.

[B]

You've got $800 million or whatever you got.

[A]

You're paying the salaries of people who work at an organization which is kind.

[B]

Of a money laundering operation.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Especially when you find some of these people make upwards of a million dollars a year.

[A]

Well, what they're going to do with this LA fires land is still up in the air. But they had proposed zoning the Palisades for low income housing and people threw a big fit. And I think that they have backed off on that. I'm unsure, but I think Newsom is backing off on that because he, he is now positioning himself to be the Democratic presidential nominee. He's always been, but now he's really doing it. And to his credit, he's having success. Like in this moment.

[B]

Well, you know, some of the success that they're, they're hanging their hat on is his social media campaign where he talks like Trump. So he's got a bunch of people from his organization that tweet for him.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And they tweet like Trump and they're saying this has elevated him in the public's eye.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's fucking terrifying.

[A]

It's terrifying. He's, he's starting to learn the Internet, you know. You know, sensibility, which is heavily trolling, does very well, you know, all this stuff. What he has is a terrible record in California.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's done terrible things to people's real lives. Yeah. But he's succeeding on the Internet.

[B]

So that's enough.

[A]

That's enough.

[B]

That's the thing.

[A]

But that's truly enough. You don't have to be perfect. He's having fun on the Internet. And the state is burned and people forget because that was a few months ago. And people have short memories. They go, that tweet was fun. He did a post on axed. It was fun. And it doesn't matter that they let all the criminals out in California and burn everyone's house, you know. Yeah.

[B]

It's that's how bad the Democratic Party is right now.

[A]

And he's not even the worst of them. He's bad, but the people go so much further than him. The problem with Gavin Newsom is that he's kind of an empty suit who is in the wind, will go whichever way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So in a time like 2020, when everybody is incredibly, like, in the grips of mania, and they're like, riding's good, writing's protesting.

[B]

Yeah. Defund the police.

[A]

Defund the police. Let's get rid of cops. Gavin Newsom goes, puts out a bunch of crazy social media posts about, like, the importance of resistance and all this crap, and throws his own police force under the bus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's insane. But then when things. The pendulum swings back the other way, Gavin Newsom now becomes a sensible conservative that wants to or a sensible Democrat that wants to reach out to conservatives. And, you know, he's like the hollow man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He just wants to win. And that might be enough.

[B]

It might be enough. Well, you know, there's not a lot of other options. This is the thing. Like, we're. We are now entering into 2026. Okay. So we only have four years. From 2024 to 2028. It's really only two years, you know, because it's. Everybody has to get accustomed to these people. They have to be in the public eye. It's not what. Someone's gonna run for president within the last six months, and they're gonna win.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You need someone who's out there for minimum of 24 months.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So who else? We're in 2026. Right. So we have two years left. Who?

[A]

Yeah, it's him. It's Gavin. That has to be now on the right. There's going to be a power struggle, and either Trump will live through his term. Let's hope he does. But he's 80, so you never know. But he's healthy enough right now.

[B]

Allegedly healthy enough.

[A]

Allegedly healthy enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If he lives through his term and he knights somebody, whether it's JD or whoever, that will be the person. There is a world in which he doesn't knight anyone. And there is a real power struggle between different factions of that party.

[B]

Well, who. What are the factions? So you have J.D.

[A]

You have J.D.

[B]

Vice President, who's the obvious.

[A]

The obvious.

[B]

And then the problem with Ron DeSantis is he wore stilts.

[A]

Ron DeSantis has a cop energy. He has a guy that pulled you over energy, and you go, Was it really 85? He's a prick. No, One likes him. Everyone. He's offends everyone. I knew, a bunch of. I know a friend who's in finance, a bunch of hedge fund guys went down to Florida. This was in, like, the throes of the campaign. He ended up insulting all of them. He's dismissive of people. He doesn't have it. The question is, Vance, who's smart. Does Vance have it? There's doubts, real doubts that if he has it or not, I like him as a guy. There's doubts. I'm not saying he doesn't have it.

[B]

What are the doubts?

[A]

That he doesn't have it. He doesn't have the charisma. He's stiff as a board. He's a klutz. He dropped a trophy. He does not articulate enough. He doesn't. He doesn't have it. Young, sure, but I'm saying these are the doubts. He's young. He doesn't have the gravitas. Right? The wife's maybe not super into it. I don't know.

[B]

Right.

[A]

These are the doubts.

[B]

Right?

[A]

These are the doubts you got to overcome if you. If you want to win.

[B]

All right. If not him, who else?

[A]

Is it MTG.

[B]

For real?

[A]

For realsies. Heard it here first. Get on the train now.

[B]

You're serious?

[A]

Get on the train now. I might be involved. Get on the train now. Buy this stock now. Buy the crypto now. Buy the ethereum now. We're launching a coin soon.

[B]

The coin is crazy.

[A]

Step one is the coin. Step two is the announcement. Step three is the campaign. Step four is her running the country, which I don't think is super important, but the first three are important. Coin launch, hugely important. Here's what I mean.

[B]

In the first couple of days. In the first couple of days, mtg, whether.

[A]

Whether it's her or not, she's surprisingly, weirdly capable. She's kind of a tough bitch. She's ran a construction company, all this stuff. She's going to be able to go out there and say, america first, not Israel first. And Vance might. Where there's. There's not enough daylight between him and Trump on Israel. MTG is going to take advantage of that. That's my guess. Get on the train. But maybe I'm wrong, but am I.

[B]

As she voiced any.

[A]

She hasn't voiced it yet, but let's be honest. She's positioning herself. You can see it. She's positioning herself to run for President of the United States.

[B]

What is the wackiest shit that she's ever said?

[A]

I don't know. Something about the Jews and the weather. But let's be honest, who knows what they're doing? These hurricanes come and go. What's going on?

[B]

MTG threatens to say every damn name on the House floor over Jeffrey Epstein. Clients, two hours.

[A]

This is fun. She gets what? Part of being the president now is spectacle. She gets it. She sees Trump, she goes, he put on a goddamn show. She's putting on a fucking show and a half.

[B]

Also, if you're a woman, there's an advantage that you have in that you are not fucking underage people.

[A]

No. And she's single, right? She's single woman, wild. She's not meaning that you. She's not. She doesn't have a husband who works for BlackRock. You know what I mean?

[B]

She's a Lenny Kravitz song now.

[A]

Why is AOC shutting her mouth about Israel? Because AOC donors are big Israeli tech people. She's been silenced. And she's trying to run for president, too.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She'll struggle.

[A]

She's not going to win. She's a goofball. She'd be making mojitos. She's a goofball. She doesn't have it. She's a goof. But here's the reality. She's shutting her mouth about Israel. Is AOC out there about Israel? No. No, because she's a fraud. But the smelly, gross anarcho communist in Brooklyn, to their credit, know she's a fraud. They know she's a fraud. In between there, you know, whatever, open mic nights and whatever, they figured out poetry slams. Poetry slams and dog walking, they figured out that this bitch is a fraud. Big time.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think she was when she first started.

[A]

She wasn't, but she got. She was probably. She's realized. She has. She's ambitious.

[B]

She likes nice bags.

[A]

She likes nice bags.

[B]

That's what it is.

[A]

She's ambitious. She wants to be the president.

[B]

You realize that job can get you hundreds of millions of dollars. Look what happens.

[A]

Can you get up? Who her donors are, Jimmy? These. These Israeli tech people. It's kind of interesting because this actually just kind of came out. You know, this. This. This. This is coming out more and more. MTG is one of these people that have. Now, she said some wild stuff. She wasn't media trained, okay? She came out, she made some unfortunate statements about Jewish people and the weather. Perhaps, you know, did she.

[B]

Do I want to know?

[A]

She said something about Jewish space lasers. But, Joe, why do the hurricanes always hit the west coast of Florida? That's where all the. They never. At the East Coast. They don't. They don't.

[B]

The water. The water is warmer or something.

[A]

So say you. The point is. Whatever, but is it. Or the laser.

[B]

The hurricanes never hit the East Coast. Is that true?

[A]

Yes, they hit the west coast, which is where all the Christians live from the Midwest and Canada. All the Jewish people on the east coast don't get hurricanes. They get a little bit of flooding. And when Marjorie wins, we're going to get to the bottom of it.

[B]

So if you want to buy property, you buy it on the east coast of Florida.

[A]

That's what they're saying.

[B]

Is that like Mar a Lago? Is that the East Coast?

[A]

Correct. Ding, ding. Really?

[B]

Okay. What does she say? Marjorie Taylor Greene has offered an amendment to the Israel funding bill to create space lasers. This is not a parody. MTG literally wants to appropriate money for a Jewish space laser. But what does that mean? She wants to fund space lasers.

[A]

I thought she was against it, but.

[B]

Now maybe she's for it in 2018. It was back then. It was different times.

[A]

It's different times.

[B]

She wanted the space laser. She was asked 20, 24. It says it.

[A]

Now she wants to. Because why should they?

[B]

Joy Reid's talking about, why should they have space lasers?

[A]

We should all have them.

[B]

Joy Reid probably believes space lasers are racist.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

A 2018 post she made theorizing in quotes that Jewish space lasers started wildfires in California. Now she's saying the United States deserves this type of defense for our southern border. Okay, I don't think Jewish space lasers did that. But there was a real concern with the wildfires of Ontario.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That so many of them started simultaneously over a large distance that it is almost impossible that this was not some sort of a concerted effort to start this fire. And then there was the question, were they experimenting with some sort of space or satellite based energy weapon? I don't even know. They got away because it's conveniently in the middle of the woods.

[A]

What about these floods in Texas, the cloud seeding? Yeah, this is a problem.

[B]

Well, they were cloud seeding just a few days before that.

[A]

That's a problem.

[B]

Yeah, that's a problem. Well, that's also the problem that happened in Abu Dhabi or. No, Dubai. That's right, in Dubai, which. Where they openly admit they're manipulating the.

[A]

We. All these people are manipulating the weather.

[B]

Where are you going? In Abu Dhabi, they do it once a week. Hopefully you get there on a rainy day.

[A]

Well, I. Well, we'll see.

[B]

They do it every week.

[A]

They manipulate the weather every week?

[B]

Every week.

[A]

Well, good.

[B]

Well, it's how you keep everything green.

[A]

Listen, I'm. My concern is like my own country and any country that wants to offer me a large sum of money to go and perform, I will do it. It.

[B]

Coming soon to the Congo.

[A]

Yeah. I will absolutely do South Sudan, Darfur, Angola, all of it. I'll absolutely do South Sudan. Tim Dillon live in South Sudan. Absolutely will do it. Yo, wouldn't you go to Saudi Arabia? Busy. Yeah, but, but stay here. You're doing a lot to do. You're also doing well enough.

[B]

Two Israeli startup entrepreneurs played roles in the rise of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. She pulled out of event commemorating Rabin. Some concluded that AOC doesn't like Israelis, but two were instrumental in the lawmakers early career. Oh, that's where it gets weird. They find you when you're young.

[A]

They find you when you're making mojitas.

[B]

They find you when you're young and promising like jd.

[A]

Well, that's the thing. JD is going to have to. If he wants to be the president, he's going to have to say Peter Thiel. I'm not. He's going to have to say, peter Thiel is Satan. And here's why that's good. J.D. has to get out there and go, wouldn't you rather know who Satan is and be friends with him and have dinner with him than have it be like, who's Satan? Right. So he's got to get out there and say, I happen to be friends with Satan. And I want that to be misunderstood. I want it to be destigmatized.

[B]

Right. If Satan could go on the Nelk Boys, maybe they could straighten it out.

[A]

That's right. Peter Thiel on the Nelk Boys, when they go, what do you think about fast food? And he goes, I only, I take one pill every day to survive and it gives me all of my nutrients.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't think Peter Till eats food like a person. I think it's like he has some type of.

[B]

What? You know, what do you think?

[A]

I think a lot of these tech people, like, they don't like food. They're not food people. A lot of these tech people, I went to a few of these tech things in Austin. It's not the food's never the thing. They're. They're not like food people people. They're not like, oh, let me eat food. Like wasps are not either. Like real old school, like waspy.

[B]

Didn't you get Invited to have lunch or something? Dinner with Peter?

[A]

Yes. I said no.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

I said no. I'm a little. I'm a little wary of that circle of people. And I'm not saying there's anything inherently evil about them, because obviously there's people in there. I just. I don't know that I want to go to a dinner with someone who's going to talk. Talk endlessly about the Antichrist, but yet.

[B]

You'Ll go to Saudi Arabia, of course, and perform.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I've been to Peter's house twice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I went once with. Dinner with Eric Weinstein. I forget who else. And then the second time, he brought me in because they were gonna have lunch with Eric Von Daniken.

[A]

Oh, the. The guy. The Chariots of the Gods.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in. And I know so much about that. So I was asking him all these questions.

[A]

I'm sure he's a very nice guy, like Peter Thiel. People know him. God, he's a smart guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't. Again, I get invited to a lot of dinners and a lot of things, and what I try to do is I try to say to myself, I need to be able to criticize people and make fun of them. Right. So it, you know, it felt, like, really weird to go to this guy's house and then on him the next day.

[B]

Do you think that's part of the strategy of inviting you to go to places?

[A]

Yes. Yeah, most likely. But it doesn't work because I can't shut my mouth. I can't shut my mouth. I mean, I. I've said things. People in my own family get mad at me because I can't shut my mouth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's certainly not going to work. If you're a billionaire, invites me somewhere, it's not going to work. So then you probably have to kill me, and I'd rather you not.

[B]

Yeah, please. Yeah.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

I see what you're saying. Well, you just. You can't get too close.

[A]

I don't want to get super close, only because, like, to me, it's like, I like my show because I can talk shit and say things and I just can't. I don't want to censor myself, and I don't know how to censor myself, and I wouldn't be fun or good.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What I do if I censored myself. And I think that, like, you know, a lot of people out there in the world are under the impression that they can. Everyone has an agenda, and that's completely understandable. And I think what they try to do is sometimes launder that agenda through some cultural space, however they want to do it, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's happened forever. It's not new. It's not unique because there's an Internet, a thousand percent. There's people that want the world to look a certain way, but they don't come out and tell you exactly how they want it to look.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They figure out a way to kind of like, let's filter this. So I'm trying to. When I look at that, and I go. Because I think it was a very nice dinner. And I think what he wants, like, I'm sure it was like a lovely, like, he goes, I want to talk about the media. And you're like a comedian, but you're in the media. And like, you know, he has a bunch of people to his house. There's probably smart people that go, yeah.

[B]

He likes to have.

[A]

And they talk about the media.

[B]

Big thought, like, tank conversations.

[A]

Yeah. And. And I just felt like I. That didn't appeal to me.

[B]

Well, that's why he had Von Daniken for lunch. Right. So it's not all evil. It's like, what is this about?

[A]

The thing is, it's a lot. You know, when people. What would really shock people in America is how much a lot of the super elites are not. It's not like it's all an 8, and I'm sure some of it is some club they're all in, but it's not like they're all lizards or it's an ancient blood cult. A lot of it is like they will feed you and your family into a mulcher so they can live two blocks closer to the beach. It's just that things have always been good and they want them to stay good. Good. So somebody told me once, it's. It. It's the highest levels of society perpetuating themselves and just staying at the top of the food chain.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And 90% of them have no idea what's going on. And they're just rich. And they just woke up rich and things are good. And they. They could ski in Aspen or they go to the. Wherever. Hamptons, Beverly Hills or whatever. Or here, the beautiful areas here. And then 10 of those people are earning the money. They're the, the. The scions of the dynasties, or they're the CEOs, or they're the hedge fund managers of the private equity people. And then 1 or 2% of those people are truly nefarious. Those are the people who are fun and I mean, you know, those are the people who are, you know, those are the guys who are in that, whatever that smoke filled room is.

[B]

Well, the also thing to get to the top of that kind of a business, you have to be a bit of a sociopath for sure. Right. And you have to kind of calculated. This is where it's fascinating like what Bill Gates has done in his career where he's pivoted to become this guy who's like really concentrated on global health.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, and philanthropy. All of his time is now spent on philanthropy.

[A]

Yes. Well, it's a great way to launder money. That's huge. It's a great way to launder money.

[B]

It's also a great way to launder your image.

[A]

Great way to launder your image.

[B]

Well, I remember him in the 90s where everybody was mad at him. He was in the antitrust guy, everybody. He was constantly in court about that.

[A]

Well, that's why he went to Epstein's island, because he was doing an ecological survey of the area. He wanted to, he was studying beach erosion. But this is the thing. Throughout history, these people have never been caught red handed. Now they're kind of getting caught red handed and now they're employing every means at their disposal to keep a lot of this stuff quiet. Not only that, I think my personal theory is that someone took a lot of these people in a room 20 years ago and went, listen, as soon as AI is out of the bottle, you got five or 10 years before the world's wild. Build your bunkers, steal the money, take whatever you can. Get it off the government balance sheet, however you're going to do it. Because let Detroit go, who gives a fuck? Don't give them health care, doesn't matter. Don't fix the infrastructure, don't fix the schools. From when AI's out of the box, you have 5, 7, 10 years, probably closer to 10, 15 years before shit gets really fucking weird. So get your money now and it's going to get.

[B]

What do you think? Get really weird.

[A]

Looks like, you know, just massive unemployment, civil unrest, you know, autonomous police forces, the AI running large sectors of the government, which is weird shit. And then that to me is probably one of the reasons that. And I'm not saying it was one big meeting, but I think they know. And now maybe it's a folly like people like Annie Jacobson go. The nukes start flying, everyone's dead. We don't care how many bunkers they have whatever. Who knows? Maybe it is a folly. That being said, we've got underground cities all over the country. The government's, you know, prepared, obviously, and has been for a while. All of these private citizens are now worth in the hundreds of billions. Some of them, a lot of them are billionaires. They're trying to hedge their bets in whatever way they can. Thiel's famously has this thing in New Zealand or wants to be in New Zealand if things go haywire.

[B]

That's where everybody wants to go, Right?

[A]

They all want to go to New Zealand.

[B]

Why New Zealand?

[A]

It's beautiful. It's an island.

[B]

Yeah, but is there some sort of a theory of how that survives some sort of apocalypse?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

Small population, rich natural resources, all of that.

[A]

A lot of food, all of that. And I think that, like, so, I mean, it feels like they're preparing for something. It doesn't feel paranoid to suggest that they know it's going to get very weird. I mean, there's people falling in love with chatbots.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's gonna get odd.

[B]

Well, then it's chatbots talking you into killing yourself. That's also teaching you how to make a better noose.

[A]

That's what's happening. So, you know, I mean, I think. I think there's. I don't. Here's a real question, an interesting question. Are the elites in our country, and I mean, you know, not just rich people, I mean, people that own companies that control large sectors of the economy, are they believing that 2050 is going to be. Will we still have the United States of America? That's a real interesting question, because all of these tech people talk like we won't.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do they say?

[A]

Well, basically, they've talked about the need to. You know, one of the biggest startups during the pandemic was, you know, and Thiel was an investor in this, was, let's go buy a. A plot of land somewhere in the world and run a country on crypto and make it like a libertarian paradise. It was called Praxis. And they did this. This was a big startup, but it got, you know, a good amount of funding because where they want to go. They were talking about, like, Madagascar. I think they were talking about other places. But you're looking.

[B]

I'm not aware of this.

[A]

Oh, it was a real thing. I mean, it was. Did you hear about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jamie, it was real. You look it up. I mean, it's there, there.

[B]

So they were talking about using crypto and funding a new country.

[A]

Yeah. They, they. I don't think the tech people want. Yeah. I mean, and I met these kids who were nice kids.

[B]

But Praxis states that it has 2034 citizens, 124 companies. The companies founded by Praxis members have an aggregate valuation of 452 billion. Although. Which is good for the economy for about six weeks.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Although original Praxis plans include development in the Mediterranean. The company has explored Greenland as a site. Huh.

[A]

The tech people don't. I think. I think they see the future of America as more feudalism than a representative democracy.

[B]

Look at this. Reclaim the West.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The world's first digital nation. What?

[A]

Yeah. It's real thing.

[B]

So now it says 922 billion value of Praxis founded companies. Now there's a hundred and three thousand Praxians. Look at this. Look at this.

[A]

This is what the architecture is gonna look like.

[B]

A cliff. So that when it all goes south, you could just leap to your death at any moment.

[A]

But it's aesthetically pleasing.

[B]

Or they could just chuck you off when your tweets don't align with their company's objectives.

[A]

But this is. So. This is one example of something that I think is. I think it's a little bit of the quiet part out loud where I think a lot of the tech people have given up on the idea of America as a nation state. Not all of them, but some of them.

[B]

Atlas California proposes. Atlas California, a defense focused Spaceport City on 3,850 acres in Vandenberg Space Force Base. Located on the California coast between Los Angeles and San Francisco, Vandenberg already hosts SpaceX, Blue Origin and Relativity Space. Atlas will concentrate elite engineering talent with DoD assets to solve the defense challenges that will determine America's survival.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What?

[A]

It's another. It's another Manhattan Project.

[B]

Go. Go to the image that's at the Bob. The header. Look at this image of this place.

[A]

I think none of this is actually happening. I think it's more pretend per se, but I don't know.

[B]

Oh, it's just a couple months ago, June 4th.

[A]

They'd like it to happen. This is weird, but do you see what I mean? It doesn't feel like the main concern here is America.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In any. In any recognizable way.

[B]

It seems like they're preparing for the fall.

[A]

That seems to be what it is.

[B]

Yeah. That seems like you're preparing for the.

[A]

Fall of America 1000%.

[B]

And defend the west.

[A]

On Earth.

[B]

On Earth and beyond.

[A]

By the way. Not defend America.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Defend the West. So rise. Interesting.

[B]

Look at this. This quote, we built the arsenal of democracy, split the atom, and reached the moon. Now we must build a city that wins this century.

[A]

What? Yeah.

[B]

Atlas is where America's engineers will develop the technologies that secure our future. Join us. This sounds like how they get you. This is the end. Yeah.

[C]

Make a cool video and I'm in.

[A]

Yeah, I would.

[B]

Good music behind it.

[A]

I'm hoping after this, they offer me a tiny little plot to do a podcast, interview them about their work.

[B]

Right. Like a discovery property.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this idea is that when AI gets out of the box, as you say, the. The world's, like, filled with chaos, crime is rampant. It's madness. And then at that point, these guys wall themselves off, use all of their money, and defend the West.

[A]

That seems to be what it's like.

[B]

Defending is a weird.

[A]

Defending.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's a weird way of phrasing things because you're. You're not saying, you know, we look to establish a beautiful, harmonious community that, you know.

[A]

No, There is an element, I think, of defense. Yeah. And they're defending them from an assault from maybe the defend. But it's also like, maybe you're defending them from forces that are aliens. Well, well, sure, but. Or they're domestic. They're Americans.

[B]

Right. It could also be, you know, transcendent. There it is. Okay. Inspired by the wisdom of great civilizations, we believe that true sovereignty is achieved through alignment with the transcendent.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can't just say that this is.

[A]

Going to all end up just be like a line of skincare products at the end. Like, it's just gonna.

[B]

It Brian Johnson's vitamins.

[A]

Yeah, it's just Brian Johnson's vitamins.

[B]

And forever. The practicing way of life is driven by a vital energy that seeks transcendence through heroic action and contemplation. Our mission is to channel this drive into a cohesive way of life forged by social structures and institutions that guide our people toward their destiny. You just said nothing.

[A]

It's nothing. And it's so what it is is opting out. There's America.

[B]

That looks like a mushroom. Yeah, that's a mushroom cap. Are you guys doing shrooms? Because now I'm in.

[A]

Well, they're certainly doing shrimps.

[B]

Well, now I'm in.

[A]

They're certainly doing.

[B]

I want to go. I'm not saying I don't think I have enough money.

[A]

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying this is kind of and they're not going to be the only ones. Months.

[B]

I need to up my game.

[A]

They're not going to be the only.

[B]

One on this club because I want to defend freedom or whatever the West. I want to defend the rest. Continue. Join their Discord. They have a Discord server.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Our primary centers.

[A]

Join the nation, Take the pledge and build the future of the West.

[B]

Our work primarily centers around developing culture and institutions that promote the practicing way of life. Boy, this is creepy. Because. Increase our econ. Oh, increase our economic.

[A]

Big. He funded us. Well, part of the funding. Fun.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

If you're gonna, you know, if you're.

[A]

The Antichrist, you want to at least have a little bit of a say of what goes on here.

[B]

Could you imagine if they really do know something? And like, the Antichrist is a real thing. Like, imagine, if possible, you get to the, like the highest levels of these meetings and they say, look, all this biblical stuff is actually based on reality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's something coming and it will be like Revelations in the Bible. There's going to be something that goes down.

[A]

It could very possibly happen. It is interesting to think about the Antichrist and then this all powerful dark figure. Again, not more powerful than God, but like a problem. Like a real problem.

[B]

A real problem.

[A]

And then that person has to have lunch with J.D. vance. That's like an odd.

[B]

Well, if human beings.

[A]

You don't picture that.

[B]

If you think about religion as being something that serves human beings.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And God wants human beings. Like, what would be the Antichrist? Well, it'd be AI, Wouldn't it be?

[A]

Well, I think that's. I think when you get into living forever and playing God and doing all this stuff, you get into a very dark area of human beings having the capacity of God. All these tech people who've now become super Christian, which seems to be a front because they know how to sell what they're trying to do to America that way.

[B]

Like, how many of them are becoming super teal worse.

[A]

Everyone does.

[B]

How does he reconcile that with the gay stuff?

[A]

I don't know how anyone reconciles anything with anything. But like, he's, I, I think he's. I don't know. But they've realized they have to sell the AI stuff and the eventual augmenting of the biology, all of that to Americans. And they'll probably be. A lot of the objections to that will probably be religious or rooted in religion. People going, I don't want to be a. But if you can somehow launder it and go no, no. God likes and wants you to have the autonomous drown. You have to position yourself.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I don't know. I'm sure he can reconcile the gay stuff with the way there's tons of gay Christians. I'm sure he's. He's a very smart guy. He'll be able to figure it out.

[B]

That's an interesting strategy. Well, that's the strategy that does make sense, though, as a strategy, of course, how you would approach things.

[A]

You would have to. Yeah, you would have to. To. You'd have to go out and say, the good news is God wants you to have all of these things, which isn't Christianity, it's some other. They've concocted something else. You know, if you're, if you're augmenting your biology to live forever or to live a lot longer and you are seeding clouds and doing all of this stuff, you know, then you are, you are playing God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You are doing it.

[B]

I'm, I'm.

[A]

And there's an argument that science is, is you should do some of these things. Whatever. You can make that argument, but that's not inherently a Christian argument, right? Yeah.

[B]

Well, I think the real argument is it. It's not just that you can do these things, but it's an imperative. The, the reason being is that we're in competition with China.

[A]

What did you say? You said you're blown away by something. Something.

[B]

Oh, this practice and shit. Well, I had no idea that this was even a thing. We've never discussed this before, have we ever?

[A]

But this was a big thing during the pandemic. I don't know the, the reality of any of it. Here's what I think. Here's what is emblematic of the rich opted out of America a while ago. The super rich, meaning, like they let many American cities crumble. They allowed the infrastructure of the country to rot. They carved out places within the country that they were going to, you know, secure, and those places are safe and those places are beautiful, and those places have pretty good economies. And they let the rest of it, you know, the Rust Belt and the Sun Belt, you know, a lot of the areas that would de. Industrialize, they let a lot of that go. What's the next culmination of that? The next culmination of that. They're already kind of in a separate country. So this is just the leveling up of that. With tech crypto, you're off the dollar system, you're in your own thing, or you're doing a digital currency system. You know, that seems to be the next phase.

[B]

Interesting. Well, I think the next phase is allow the same thing that happened to Detroit to happen to the entire country.

[A]

That seems to be correct. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Because that seems like there's an inevitability of automation and of the jobs that AI is going to take away, except for venture capitalism. Marc Andreessen's fine, but everybody. We're fucked. They're going to have.

[A]

Not us.

[B]

AI comedians.

[A]

We'll have to interview Mark Andreessen every day. Every day, which I've tried. He doesn't come on.

[B]

But he didn't come on your show.

[A]

He wouldn't know really. But he's a nice guy. I listen, here's the interesting.

[B]

He's been on my show a few times.

[A]

Yeah. You have a bigger show, actually. Statistically.

[B]

Interesting. You have a big show, though.

[A]

It's a very big show. And we would treat. Thank you very much. And then thank Mark Marin for building it with me and being so generous with his fan base with me. But the. Yeah, it seems like they're going to. It seems like they're going to, you know, say America was fun, we had a good run.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it seems inevitable that the standard of living is going to fall now. A lot of people like. And Elon is a smart guy and I don't agree with him on everything, but he says things like. Like it's going to be good and the standard of living are going to rise with AI I hope that's the case. But there's going to be a lot of people at work and I don't quite know how people's standard of living is going to increase. I guess we're going to have some ubi, that's enough. Or whatever. But it just feels to me like we're heading towards something that has the potential. Maybe it won't be. I'm not going to be a doomsdayer. It has the potential to be incredibly disruptive. It will be incredibly disruptive. Now, for the good or the bad, I don't know. But it does seem like people are preparing for the inevitability of a large war. France just said, get your hospital. Get hospitals ready for war by 2026.

[B]

France just said that.

[A]

France just said that. He came out. Macron just came out and said, get the hospitals ready for 2026, because that's when Brigitte's transitioning back to a man. But also have France orders hospital be.

[B]

Ready for war in six months time.

[A]

What is this goon still doing this Zelensky Goon. What a goon this person is.

[B]

The director revealed in a letter to regional health agencies anticipates 10,000 to 50,000 men in hospital over a period. Maybe this is why they let everybody into the country.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Health Minister Catherine Vautrin. Is that it? Vautrin, yeah. Confirmed the preparations, saying that they're a normal part of anticipating crises in the current international context. Again, what the fuck are you saying? The letter, dated 18 July, suggests that France could serve as a rear base for a large scale conflict. And mentioned setting up medical centers near transport hubs. Okay. Follows the distribution of a survival manual to French households and President Emmanuel Macron's plan to double France's defense spending by 2027. How did that guy get to be the head of France? He like, at this point, can he win an election?

[A]

No, probably not.

[B]

Now everybody knows that he's married to a man who. Not only a man, but a man who smacks him in the face.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

I saw the video.

[A]

While the alleged. The alleged, alleged man.

[B]

The alleged man.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Well, whatever. That woman smacked him in the face for sure. Getting abused.

[A]

She manhandled him.

[B]

Yeah. Manhandle him behind closed doors.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

She man spreads. Ever see her man spread?

[A]

She manipulates.

[B]

I don't know any women that sit down like that.

[A]

There's something off there. She met. He was 40, she was 15 or something. He was a kid in school. There's something really. That alone. There's something very strange, very sinister, very.

[B]

Met when he was 14 and she.

[A]

Was 38 or something.

[B]

Something like that. And they started.

[A]

I.

[B]

When she was 40. I'll notice. I say she.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm a good boy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm following the rules.

[A]

That's right. Well, there's lawsuits, which I mentioned in.

[B]

Well, it was interesting watching Jake Tapper do that. About the shooter, the Catholic school shooter. Like correct pronouns.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Imagine.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's bizarre. Bizarro land we're in right now. Now. But anyway, what. What is going on in France? Like that that guy is your leader. Like, that's so weird. And could. When I see things like that, it's terrifying because. Is that possible? They could pull that off in America when you go, well, they almost did with Kamala Harris.

[A]

Well, I think they have, by the way, they have before with lots of people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we don't know the personal lives.

[B]

Of any of these people. You know what's really fun?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When someone is in that whole race and running for president or vice president, and then the race is over, and they realize that person was a liability, so they cut them off.

[A]

And you never.

[B]

And then that person goes wacky. Like Tim Walsh.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

You see where he had a Trump shirt on?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's dancing and going down an elevator. Have you seen this video?

[A]

I haven't. Please play it. I haven't seen it.

[B]

Please, Jamie, find Walsh. But this is weird.

[A]

That was a big mistake.

[B]

Oh, a huge mistake.

[A]

They should have picked Josh Shapiro from the governor of Pennsylvania.

[B]

I think they're worried about the Jewish thing.

[A]

Well, of course. It's a big swing state. And. And. And it would have been better.

[B]

Okay, you go full screen.

[A]

Is that really this him?

[B]

It's real. Yes, it is. No, no, it's real.

[C]

No, look, I can tell it's not real.

[B]

I love it. It's real.

[C]

It's not real.

[B]

It's got to be real.

[A]

It has to be real.

[B]

It has to be real. Jamie, come on.

[A]

Jamie's compromised.

[B]

Look at him dancing. I mean, that is so real.

[A]

By the way, if this was real, he might have won.

[C]

It's probably a real person. It might not be Tim Waltz. The Trump is AI generated.

[B]

No, he slaps his ass.

[A]

I mean, that is hilarious.

[B]

Oh, it's definitely him. This is all 100 real Jamie. You're.

[A]

You're a plant, by the way, is compromised. And I'm worried about Jamie and I'm worried about Grok.

[B]

Does it say that it's AI? Yes, you say it's AI. No, the video. Everybody says it.

[C]

Video I played on top says it's AI Generation generated.

[B]

Rep. Riley Moore fell for an AI generated video of Minnesota Go. I fell for it, too. And you know why I fell for it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I believe that he's capable of doing something.

[A]

But that's his essence.

[B]

He's so weird.

[A]

He's a weird guy. He's in the ccp. He's controlled by communist China, most likely.

[B]

Went over there a ton of times.

[A]

Well, he thinks it's a good place. That's the thing. I don't think he's controlled. Meaning, like, whatever. They're like nodes on his head. But like I'm saying, like, he thinks that's a better way of life. Well, he thinks government control over your life is a better way of life.

[B]

And if you wanted to find a guy that maybe you could have some shit on, right, to put into office, that guy, well, he's a creep.

[A]

He's a weird. He's a creepy guy. And nobody knows exactly what his qualifications were to be the Vice President of the United States. That was all left out. No one has any clue.

[B]

We did a really good job of defunding the police.

[A]

Well, you know, his psychopath wife sat there and was like. When we smelled the burning tires from the riots, it was a real moment. We just took it in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The people that live in that region of the country, many of them are sick. They don't get enough sunlight, it's very cold. They're incredibly radical. They live around all white people, and yet they're the most concerned with racism. And, you know, they almost elected a Somali mayor there or governor or something, but they just pulled his support away.

[B]

Yeah, what happened with that? Why did they pull his support away?

[A]

They said that there was something wrong with the convention, that they were like, people's votes weren't counted. But it seems like the Democrats realized, oh, we're going to import all these people that we think they're going to vote for us. They're actually going to vote for themselves and get rid of us. So it's like, oh, we'll import all these people, they'll vote for us. And then they're like, wait a minute, Fuck you. We'll just run one of our people. Why the hell. Why do we need to. Why do we need to elect you? We can just elect this guy. And it's like the guy from Captain Phillips. Yeah, it's the guy.

[B]

Yeah. I'm the pirate. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And. And I'm sure he's lovely. And I'm not saying he shouldn't run in America. I'm not saying a pirate shouldn't be the mayor of an great American city.

[B]

That fucking state is not recovered from Prince dying. No, no, they fell off. Yeah.

[A]

And I think.

[B]

Which, by the way, died of fentanyl.

[A]

That's right. The small boat crisis. Really? Yeah. Fent.

[B]

Yeah. Hip issues. So in pain. Got a hold of the wrong pills.

[A]

The patch.

[B]

So here's the thing. No, it's. It's not that the patch won't kill you because the patches actually goes through the dermis. It actually regulates the dose. Prince Rogers Nelson, official cause of death was an accidental overdose of fentanyl. So what happens is, and what happened with Tom Petty, too, is these guys, their. Their taste, their appetite far exceeds the prescription, and they're in pain all the time, and so they get pills from other people. So with Tom Petty, I think he got it from a roadie, he wound up dying. I don't know where Prince got his From. But what happens is, you know, you're getting a prescription from your doctor and maybe he only gives you, you know, three pills a day, and you really want 10.

[A]

And then you start.

[B]

Wasn't, like, what the. His name, Rush Limbaugh, wasn't he taking.

[A]

Like 16 a day? Oxycontin. I think it was higher than it might have been. It might have been.

[B]

I think it was something nuts.

[A]

It was nuts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like. Yeah. And he was doing broadcasting every day that.

[B]

Well, that's what made him go deaf, apparently. Alex Jones explained it to me. Wow.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Prince had thought he was taking the prescription drug Vicodin when he, in fact, taking a counterfeit Vicodin pill laced with potentially deadly Fentanyl. Yeah. So same thing. So you. You think you're getting these pills that you're addicted to? Yeah. Prince apparently had hip problems.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

From all the dancing. And of course, you know, like, I know a lot of martial artists have fake hips down. So you get in pain and the pain is debilitating. You can't tolerate it. And so, like, hey, take a pill. And then next thing you know, you're right. And then you're on that train and you need a. You need something. And you got a Vicodin for me. You got a Viking.

[A]

Viking.

[B]

Kidding. Neck. Then you're foaming at the mouth and dead in the hotel floor.

[A]

That really sucks. And that's. That is terrible.

[B]

It's horrible. It's horrible. And by the way, all that would have been avoided if there was legal drugs.

[A]

Well, the other. Yes. But I also think, like, a lot of these antidepressants and stuff, a lot of those things. And there's people that obviously need them and are helped by them, and that's great. But, like, the pharmaceutical industry is so powerful and so well funded and. And, you know, it's clear that, you know, one of the ways you're going to try to control the population once people don't have jobs or a purpose is by getting them all on a bevy of medications, got them dosed up.

[B]

To the point where things get real dull.

[A]

I think they're going to dose people up. Dose them up.

[B]

Nothing upsets you. And then you can just take your government stipend and you're going to be fine. And you'll have less money, but you'll have all the objects that you need.

[A]

You'll have all the things.

[B]

The government will send you. Free TVs.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The TVs will be gonna be made by robots. They'll cost no Money can't react.

[A]

Like if you're sitting on a beach and then a small migrant boat shows up and then they all just start running. You just look at it and kind of nod and go, oh, well, okay.

[B]

Then someone will turn. Who else gonna clean your toilet?

[A]

That's right.

[B]

You need that, right?

[A]

Right. Who's gonna clean your toilet? Who's gonna clean your toilet? Gonna drink your piss, Mr. Trump? It's gonna be, it's gonna be really interesting to see if, if the Reform Party wins. You know, when is that it's coming up. I don't know exactly when.

[B]

Someone has to reverse course and it might be too late, because the amount of change that they've had over the past few years is staggering. You know, the Graham Linehan arrest, I think woke a lot of people up today. The fact that you could see the tweets that they arrested him for, the fact that they're arresting people for saying, I love bacon, like all that shit is.

[A]

The only way you can make these changes to a society as swiftly as they are is by stifling dissent and punishing it and criminalizing it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

There's absolutely no way to completely remake a society in the span of like 36 months. You know, like, you can't do that without shutting everybody up.

[B]

You shut everybody up and you import.

[A]

Nobody's violent, be a minority in their own country. Nobody is voting to lose economic and cultural ground in their own country. People certainly think immigrants can, can benefit a country and make a country better. And that's why historically we've had immigration. But nobody is voting for massive, large scale immigration that completely destabilizes an existing economy.

[B]

And the majority of it is Muslim.

[A]

It's Muslim immigration, which is weird.

[B]

Like, think about all the Latin American countries, all the different countries. He's like, why is this the one?

[A]

Well, because it's the one you can't criticize. It's the one you cannot say you don't want. It's the one that is not going to be able. There are real conditions in the world that create refugees. Climate is one of them. Destabilizing wars are another one. So if you're all over the world destabilizing countries with, you know, war and covert operations and all of this stuff, and enriching a small circle of people, and all those refugees need a place to stay. You gotta take them in and you gotta tell your people to shut the fuck up. And that's what's been going on. Progressives, when I grew up, used to care deeply about their fellow citizens having healthcare, a place to live, be able to send their kids to college, retire, whatever. All of the energy now, for example, the New York mayoral race is about whether Jewish people feel safe with the Muslim mayor and whether the Muslim mayor feels that illegal immigrants are being treated nicely enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't care at all about citizens of this country. They don't care about black people who are genuinely owed a debt from the things that Americans have done, bringing them to the country as slaves, preventing Jim Crow acquiring wealth, Jim Crow redlining, all that. That is no longer an issue. They don't talk about elderly people. They don't talk about Social Security. They don't talk about that. All of the energy that was. Was, you know, and this happened right around Occupy Wall Street. Right around Occupy Wall Street. And people started to realize that it was a little bit of a scam the way the country was being run. You had people start to design a Democratic party around identity politics. And then the Republican Party was always kind of designed around this idea that, like, you know, you had maximum freedom to start your own hedge fund. Shut up. Shut up. Stop complaining. Whatever. And populism was kind of killed in America. Unions were killed. Workers rights were killed. And now all this progressive energy that used to get funneled into, like, people having health care is now specifically for non citizens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Weird. Yeah.

[B]

It was extraordinary amounts of money.

[A]

Extraordinary amounts of money. And it's not about America or the future of New York City, the most economically. It's the top city in the world economically. And the focus is in. Not about Americans. It's about undocumented people. And if Jews and Muslims are gonna play nice, we. Weird. It's odd.

[B]

Real weird.

[A]

It's strange to me. I'm not saying those are completely unimportant issues, but they completely dominate the conversation to a level that's absurd.

[B]

He's also. Here's another absurd thing. He's also running on this promise of setting up a transgender hub where you can go and get fixed up there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where they're going to pay for people in the park.

[A]

No, I'm kidding.

[B]

One of those decks.

[A]

He's gonna do it in the Friends fountain that they all jumped in. Yeah, he's gonna do it. No, I mean, we don't need a transgender hub. Not to hurt anybody's feelings. People should be able. I think adults should be able to do whatever they want.

[B]

The Friends theme is playing in my head right now.

[A]

It is. Yeah. In the fountain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We don't need a transgender hub. We don't need a sanctuary set. I don't think we all.

[B]

We don't.

[A]

I mean, you've said this. You don't need ICE raids ripping families apart at graduation either.

[B]

No.

[A]

But you need an enforcement of law. You need to build a middle class. You need to make things affordable. They run California and $8 trillion worth of tech money in Northern California. They run New York on a lot of fucking finance money. And these people bring in a class of people that cannot understand them. So culturally, it's nice when demade can't understand you. It's nice. It's nice when she really doesn't know what you're saying. And I'm not saying that you get. Obviously get rid of every immigrant, but this whole idea that the American working class, if they are not participating in their own destruction, they are somehow a racist or they're xenophobic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is psychotic.

[B]

It is psychotic.

[A]

It's psychotic.

[B]

It's weird. It's just weird that people accept it. And it's also weird that it's attached to being a kind, compassionate person that's on the left.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, and also just complete lack of.

[A]

Any.

[B]

Like, anybody who gets arrested has no cash bail.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. So there's. There's no punishment for committing crimes. It's very strange. Like, it is all set. Like, if you wanted to be the person. If you want to be the person that's going to, like, try to completely destabilize a country, you do it exactly that way. I'm not saying that that's why they're doing it, but it just feels very strange that they've gotten everybody to kind of go along with all this.

[A]

Well, it seems to be preparing to run a country without people. It seems very much. If I'm a nut at conspiracy nut, which I am. And I'm wondering how you begin to sever ties with people. First you're going to replace the people in your own country with people from another country that you could pay a lot less money to, who you have no cultural ties with, who you don't even speak the same language. And then eventually you're going to discard those people for robots.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And machines.

[B]

Well, I think you want to set up more internal conflict. Like, if people figure out that this white versus black struggle in America is kind of bullshit. Right. And then the racism that people think exists is kind of accentuated by social media. And then they figure out that that racism that exists is accentuated by bots so that they're pitting us against Each other when, when the most people are cool. The vast majority. And then also there's the gay straight thing. And there's this weird push recently to try to repeal gay marriage. It's like, who's pushing that? Well, that seems like one of those fake things that they do to keep each other at each other's throats. Well, what's the ultimate one? The ultimate one is Sharia law.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The ultimate one is bring in as many Muslims as you can, Let them. Them gather up steam, let them build up an alliance.

[A]

Let.

[B]

Let a bunch of like really stupid wacky leftists go along with this.

[A]

And then you not knowing that, that.

[B]

Religion is counter to everything you stand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everything you stand for as far as women's rights, gay rights.

[A]

Like, so I think, I think freedom. I think you're right. I think you're 100. Right. And I think the funny thing about a lot of the big, big, you know, super wealthy people is they don't care if there's large swaths of Michigan under Sharia law. They wouldn't care. No, they're really interested in 12 zip codes that they're going to gate off. It's obvious like they're interested. They're. They're all over the world. They have homes everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, you know, I don't think they care. I mean, if they cared long term about America, wouldn't our cities look better? Yeah, wouldn't our cities look better? Wouldn't we have taken more care to have thriving cities? It wouldn't take that much more money. So to me, I start thinking about, like, it feels like they've given up.

[B]

I don't even know if they've given up. I think it's a strategy. Yeah, I think there's a strategy. You need a bunch of discontent. You need a bunch of people that are upset. You need a bunch of people that are constantly worried about their bills. Because when you're worried about your bills, you're not worried about anything else.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You need a bunch of people that are sick, so you need to deny them health care.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

You need to make sure that they're not getting paid, the claims are not getting accepted, and then make sure that you've got constant struggle in terms of what you're allowed to say, what you're not allowed to say.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And that's where we come in.

[A]

People need to be paranoid and scared. That's where we come in.

[B]

Because we were an unexpected, unexpected thing. I think podcasters and social media in general but they can kind of subvert social media with bots. It can't really do that with podcasters because you, you know that they're really talking or they're not, you know. Yeah, you can do AI stuff like the Tim Walsh thing.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think they, they were not prepared for this. This level of pushback. No, that, that the citizens are giving on things like Epstein, on things like, you know, whatever.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And they're unprepared for how to deal with it.

[B]

Epstein accusers put pressure on Congress to release the files.

[C]

This happened about an hour ago there on Capitol Hill giving a two hour press conference. A bunch of accusers, I think for the first time publicly showed their faces. Interesting that they're going to compile a list and state know the names themselves.

[B]

Interesting. I was.

[A]

Whoa, by the way, Taylor Green's been heroic on this. Look at this.

[B]

By the way, look at this quote. I was only 14 years old when I met Jeffrey, one of nine female Epstein accusers who appeared at a news conference on Capitol Hill. It was the summer of high school. I was working three jobs to try to support my mom. Of course, those are the type of people you grab, right. When a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me I could make $300 to give another guy a massage. Wow. It went from a dream job to the worst nightmare.

[A]

People need to go to jail.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

I mean, this is the reality. People need to go to jail.

[B]

Holy fuck. Okay, hold on. Another Epstein accuser, Annie Farmer, alleged she was 16 in 1996 when she was flown to New Mexico to spend a weekend with Epstein.

[A]

Sixteen? Yeah.

[B]

And Maxwell. And was assaulted. Her sister Maria was also assaulted there, Farmer said, and sensitive photos of the sisters were stolen by Epstein. The incident was reported to authorities.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

What a fucking psycho that guy was.

[A]

14. Well, I think it's gonna come out. I think it's gonna come out. I think it's gonna come out that he was a. Not only obviously well known, that he was a notorious pedophile, evil guy, but also that he was working for Israel. I mean, I think this is going to come out.

[B]

And so this is what I've been.

[A]

He's what I. What I think, but I also believe is somewhat well known and not a huge secret, isn't it?

[B]

The whole thing is very strange that you have a pedophile who's also connected to all these insanely wealthy and powerful people and then does something where he gets all these people together for parties and then supposedly has all of this information. And all this. And then you have Pam Bondi saying there's thousands of hours of film, but then you have Kash Patel saying that, no, there's nothing. There's nothing, that he killed himself.

[A]

We are absolutely 100% going to find some very uncomfortable things out about his relationship with Israel. I mean, this is not going to be a piece of paper that says, hey, I'm working. But there's going to be enough circumstantial evidence that's going to connect him not only to our own government, which we. I imagine that the CIA was involved as well, but I think it's going to connect him. I mean, this was such a goof.

[B]

These are their files, what they're holding up for everybody. The guy with the cowboy hat's got to go. Who's that guy?

[A]

I don't know, but I think this.

[B]

Hat is ridiculous, sir.

[C]

These are old files, too. When they did this.

[B]

That fucking cowboy hat's ridiculous. Just holding up the thing with it, wearing a cowboy hat. We're here for American justice. The Epstein files, Miles, Phase one.

[A]

There's more. They. There. Listen, there's a reason that none of this has come to light, and there's a reason that they're being. They're dragging their feet and releasing this.

[B]

Because the amount of people that are.

[A]

Powerful, there's so many people ensnared by this. But also the other thing is, like, I think it is going to be an uncomfortable, and more than uncomfortable, perhaps with. If it comes out that our ally, very close ally of America was having. Was, you know, was having this happen. Obviously, it's not the Israeli people, it's not even the Israeli government per se, but it's a group in whatever you want to call it, the Israeli deep state or their intelligence community that was using Jeffrey Epstein as an access agent to get access to people and leverage on people.

[B]

Do you think that he was a pedophile to begin with? And they go, this is our guy because he's fucked up.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And then they have him run things. But how do you get a pedophile that can keep his shit together?

[A]

You find one that's good.

[B]

He couldn't obviously keep his shit together.

[A]

But, you know, the 90s were a different time. There's no camera phones.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

There's no Internet.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

You can intimidate reporters. You can intimidate DA's.

[B]

Right. Or you just whack people.

[C]

This is a vice article from 2017 about the D.C. madam I found earlier, and I thought this was interesting. They tried to bring the info out later, after she had died already.

[B]

Uhhuh.

[C]

And her attorney said the records could impact the presidential election.

[B]

What?

[A]

What?

[C]

The Supreme Court denied the applications.

[A]

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[C]

They tried to foia the FBI, irs, and the Postal Inspection Service, since they were involved too, because it was a male thing. She was in Northern California. And they, like, barely sent any info.

[B]

And so this was in 2000, what, 17.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I think that's when the article was.

[B]

There's no presidential election.

[A]

Supposedly Jeffrey Epstein said to his brother or to someone. If people knew what I knew, both candidates in the presidential election would have to step down. That's a quote. Jamie can find that.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Also, wasn't he on the phone with his mother? Mother in quotes. Before he died.

[A]

Who?

[C]

Epstein. In prison.

[B]

What?

[C]

They said he was on the phone with his mother for, like an hour.

[B]

How's he get on the phone while he's inside the jail?

[C]

His mother's dead too.

[A]

Was the. Was the thing real about the trust?

[B]

What are you saying? His mother was already dead? Yeah, before that. Yeah. So who's saying that he was in on the phone with his mother?

[A]

So maybe he was on the phone with someone else.

[B]

There's a lot of misinformation that gets attached to true stories to make the stories goofy. Goofy. Well, this is the whole Comet pizza thing.

[A]

Disinfo.

[B]

Yeah, this is the pizza.

[A]

Weird with that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Something's weird. Why is this documentary?

[A]

I saw that.

[B]

Yeah. What?

[A]

The documentary, right?

[B]

Yeah. Just the. The absolute facts.

[C]

Just a summary from AI But.

[B]

Unmonitored phone call to a girlfriend, though. He told prison staff that he was calling his mother, who had been dead for 15 years. Key details from the report include the call was a violation of policy. On the evening, excused himself from a meeting with his lawyers to make a call. You could just leave. You can just make a call in prison. I thought you have to wait in line for the phone. The Office of the Inspector General found that a supervisor at the Metropolitan Correctional center in New York allowed Epstein to make an unmonitored call, which was a violation of the Bureau of Prisons policy. Deception was successful to get permission for the unmonitored call. Epstein told prison staff that he wanted to call his mother, who had died in 2004. Instead, he called a girlfriend. The call was not properly logged or recorded. How convenient.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

The call's content is unknown. Call was unmonitored and unrecorded. Investigators could not determine his content. Oh, why would you determine the Content of a guy who's involved.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why would you high profile invest.

[A]

They had to get rid of him. There was no way to keep him around. And if he is still alive somehow. I don't know where he is, obviously, but there's a possibility he's on at Wexner's compound.

[B]

And then there's a guy that he was sharing a cell with.

[A]

That guy. Creepy guy.

[B]

Gigantic, muscular guy who killed.

[A]

Could have killed him. He could have killed him. They might have killed him. But there are tapes, I think that are missing a minute. They're missing time.

[B]

Oh, they found the new minute today. Did you see that?

[A]

No, I didn't.

[B]

The minute. The missing minute. They convenient found it today. Did you hear about that, Jamie? You didn't hear. I'll send it to you.

[A]

The missing minute.

[B]

Yeah, they found it. They know where it is now, so don't worry.

[A]

Now it's good.

[C]

I had heard that they knew where it was the whole time. They just. They didn't want to. Here, I got it up. Andre.

[B]

You got it? They knew where it was the whole time. They just didn't want to tell you. Release of missing minute of Epstein video contradicts Bondi's camera. Stop recording. Oh, no. Contradicts Bondi's claim Video taken outside Epstein's cell on night he died as part of new materials released by the House Oversight committee. Why. Why do you have that new minute set aside? What's that?

[A]

It's a new minute. It's kill Tony. You got to do a new minute. It's Epstein's new minute.

[C]

Kill Jeffrey thing is still alive. Reminded this story came out this week too. Did you see this?

[B]

Old master painted looted by Nazis spotted in Argentine property list. Interesting.

[C]

They found a painting that was stolen and no one had seen it for 200 years or so.

[B]

Oh, and they found it.

[C]

Took it. It was found in like on a Zillow post.

[A]

What?

[C]

I'll double check.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

Real estate agent.

[B]

Well, that's Argentina. That's the whole thing.

[A]

It's the whole thing.

[B]

The Argentina. Literally. There's towns in Argentina that have Oktoberfest where everybody speaks German. They're always later hose Argentina. There's photos of like this is grandpa and his SS uniforms on the wall.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tim Kennedy did that show Finding Hitler. Right where they went down there.

[A]

And do you think he went Survived?

[B]

Yes. Hitler. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And went to Argentina.

[B]

I think it's very possible that that's the case. I don't know if it's true, but I, I've never seen any photos of his dad.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Dead body.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

But there is a conspiracy that he went to Argentina. Right.

[A]

Picked one. Yeah.

[B]

And didn't someone just confirmed that recently? It was in some.

[A]

Someone said he lived and had a bunch of children and was actually a lovely man. That's what they're saying. I didn't. I'm. I, I've never met him.

[B]

This is the, the latest whitewashing of what Hitler is. This is the problem with history is that there's so much lies that even when things right, even about a monster, you go about, maybe it wasn't so bad.

[A]

Well, of course, course. And I think that like this is part of the reason that it's so difficult because we're lied to so much now, we're so propagandized now that people look back and go, what else is propaganda? But that can lead you to some dark and bad places.

[B]

Yes. And also going like Hitler's good or weaponized.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah. That's the. Also the part of the problem.

[A]

You got to constantly be vigilant about your own consuming of information.

[B]

You got to run everything through a filter. Absolutely. What do you got about the.

[C]

I found an update on that painting. It was a for sale notice revealed that as Frederick Heidegan, which is a financial advisor to Adolf Hitler, he was placed in charge of moving Nazi plunder to South America. And shortly after the article was published, the painting disappeared.

[A]

Just such a fun idea of Hitler having a financial advisor. But of course he would.

[B]

Where do I invest the Jew gold? Of course he would. The son in law arrest daughter son in law of Hitler's financial advisor over looted painting. How would they know?

[C]

They failed. I think it might have been their house failed.

[B]

But how would they know where the painting came from? Portrait of a lady which has been missing since for sale notice revealed it was a Nazi fugitive. Frederick Cadigan's home. Wow. Argentina.

[A]

So what is the.

[B]

What is the theory about Hitler going to Argentina? Because someone, someone said that and it was a. Supposedly at least semi credible that there, there might be some truth to the idea that Hitler went to Argentina and escaped. And the idea of him dying in the bunker was just.

[A]

No, it's very possible. And he lived there supposedly and had children and grandchildren. That's what I read recently.

[B]

Yeah, I read it recently too, but I don't know if that's true either.

[A]

But here's the thing.

[B]

The true. But what is true is Nazis went to Argentina 100. Yeah, 100% that's true. And Brazil as well.

[A]

But then also, didn't they hunt them? Didn't, like, the Israelis hunt them? Oh, yeah.

[B]

So lutely. Yeah, they caught a bunch of them.

[A]

They got a bunch of them.

[B]

Yeah. Because a lot of these idiots, you know, they're in their daughter's Facebook posts right in the background. They run it through facial recognition software. Oh, look at that. That's Adolf.

[A]

That's good. That's Gerhardt.

[B]

Yeah, look at him go get them. Yeah, they found these guys they prosecuted when they're in their 90s and.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's wild child.

[B]

I was a CIA agent. There's growing proof Hitler faked his death. And I think I know where he was hiding.

[A]

Where was it? Was it Austin?

[B]

See, but you say he's a CIA agent. I'm like, okay, are you. Did you sell drugs in la?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, what? You know, Right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

What are you really?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Who are you?

[A]

Do you really know?

[B]

Yeah. What's.

[A]

Do you really know?

[B]

Are you a CIA agent currently?

[A]

If Hitler was alive today, he'd be too old, so he has to be dead.

[B]

Oh, he's dead. He's definitely dead. But the thing is, like, did he really go to Argentina? And how did no one take a picture of him there? I guess, you know, there's probably just shaves the mustache. And he's like, clark, you always bring.

[A]

That point about the Pacific Northwest. You could kind of go up there and really disappear.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

In the thicket of the forest, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, there. Supposedly there's places.

[B]

Food. Yeah, you need food and resources. If you don't know how to hunt. And even if you do know how to hunt, you need to refrigerate things. So you need a power source. It's not easy.

[A]

That's the densest woods in America is Pacific Northwest.

[B]

Oh, it's crazy up there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When Duncan and I went looking for Bigfoot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because we did. We did a show. We went up there looking for Hitler. It's basically unfuckable. White guys out camping. There was a joke. Here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Black people, Right. You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot. It's unfuckable. White guys, unfuckable White. And, you know, they're having fun and they're looking at, like, shadows. Yeah, I think that's him. Look at the outline of the body.

[A]

Right?

[B]

They're all dorks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, but that. The thing is, bears occasionally walk on two legs, and if you see one in the Pacific Northwest, what you're looking at is, like, the trees are like this. It's like a. The way I describe it always is like a box of Q tips.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're so densely stacked in there.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You can't see. See 15 yards. You can't see any. It's crazy how dense it is out there. But if you're going to build a house out there and survive out there, you're going to have to have a path. You're going to have to be able to chop down wood and build a house, or you have to bring in other materials. How are you going to get water pipes? So then you don't have running water if you don't have pipes. Okay. What are you. You in an outhouse?

[A]

Like, how are the winters out there, Tyler? Tough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're not as tough. Bad.

[B]

No. I mean, it might snow a little, but, like, Mount Rainier up there. It's not that bad. You could live. It's just wet once.

[A]

That's supposedly the one. That's real creepy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People disappear. It's supposedly, like, one of those ancient portals of whatever. Here it is.

[B]

So there's documents that.

[C]

That the government. Government in Argentina. Argentina.

[B]

Well, you know how it's legit because they put a black line through secret.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

That's the CIA document.

[B]

Hitler hideout in Argentina. So this is. What does it say at the top there? It says, approved for release 2020 September. Or, excuse me, July 14th.

[C]

So they were saying that the CIA was searching for Hitler in Argentina up to 10 years after he was known to have been dead.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

But even this says, like, they have a source, and they don't know if it's true.

[B]

True.

[C]

Or even reliable, but, you know, they have to look into it, I suppose.

[B]

Interesting. Well, you know, if you send CIA down to Argentina, the odds of them not getting busted, like, people are going to know immediately. Dorks come. But we're wearing Izod shirts.

[A]

Yeah. So what's the thing? They just couldn't find him?

[B]

Yeah. Or, I mean, what's this?

[C]

These. These are some of the files that.

[B]

Came out with a man who claimed to be Hitler on a beach in Colombia.

[A]

Kind of look like Fiddler.

[B]

All right. And he's got his legs crossed. Like Gavin Newsom.

[A]

Why would he claim to be hit? Like, why would he say I'm him?

[B]

I don't know. Go back to that photo.

[A]

People just want attention.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot of people that want attention.

[A]

People just want attention.

[B]

That is the worst photo I've ever seen in my life. I could draw a better photo than that if you gave me 20 minutes.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I mean, update it.

[C]

See what it looks like.

[A]

Yeah, do that.

[B]

Do that. That. Yeah. What a wonderful time we live in.

[A]

Let's see if it really is Hitler.

[B]

Tell AI to update this photo and then tell it to give him the Sharon Osborne.

[A]

Big is Argentina.

[B]

It's pretty big.

[A]

Okay. So you could get lost.

[B]

It's very wooded.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And a lot of cattle ranches.

[A]

Small towns and stuff.

[B]

Yeah. It's. They're famous for their beef.

[A]

Right. It's amazing.

[B]

Yeah. They're really good at cooking.

[A]

So you could conceivably, if you're Hitler or be not, you could live there and not be.

[B]

Perhaps.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The thing is that you're an old man, and old men need medical resources. You need. You need running water. You know, the odds of you existing in the forest. Like, people have this romantic idea of being like a subsistence hunter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where are you gonna get all your bullets? You know, you. This. It ain't that simple, man. Are you gonna make your own arrows? Shut the Up.

[A]

You're.

[B]

You're not gonna kill anything with those things. Shut your dirty mouth. Like, how are you gonna. Where are you getting your broadhead heads?

[A]

It's not gonna happen.

[B]

It's too hard to hunt.

[A]

It's too hard.

[B]

Hunting is hard.

[A]

No, you need the. You need the amenities.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You need food, of course.

[B]

You need someone to bring in grain. Of course.

[A]

You need.

[B]

You need rice, and you need beans, and you need stuff for substance.

[A]

You.

[B]

You need to survive. Like, the idea that you're just gonna live in the woods is nonsense. It's crazy. Crazy. It's crazy crazy in how many bullets you bring in, man.

[A]

You know, not enough.

[B]

You better have boxes and boxes of boxes and boxes of bullets.

[C]

This other CIA document says that he moved from Colombia to Argentina in January 1995.

[B]

1955.

[C]

55. But because 10 years had passed since the end of the war, the Allies could no longer prosecute Hitler as a criminal of war.

[A]

Is that true? What? Wait a minute. What? Hey, that's crazy.

[B]

Is this the CIA documents? These. But they look so fake. They look more fake than that photo. Did you run that photo through AI Still.

[C]

It's still doing it.

[B]

Let's see what it says. It. Update it. Creating an image. This might take a moment. Okay. It's like the old days. You. You weren't around back Then. But. And like aol, when you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You get a picture of a naked lady.

[A]

Yeah, it would take. If it's really bad.

[B]

No, it's gonna. We're gonna crack the case, Jamie.

[C]

Someone had. Talking to him. He was once a month speaking to.

[B]

Him in Colombia on his trip.

[C]

That's where that picture came from.

[B]

Wow. What? Okay, so Philip Citrone, former German SS soldier, SS trooper, stated to him confidentially that Adolf Hitler is still alive. Citron claims to have contacted Hitler about once a month in Colombia on his trip from. How do you say that? Marcibo. Marcibo. To that country as an employee of Royal Dutch Shipping company in Marecibo. Citrone indicated to. What's that word?

[C]

It's. It's spelled. I think that's their contact. And that's what they have him classified.

[B]

A friend that he took a picture with Hitler not too long ago, but did not show the photograph. He also stated that Hitler left Colombia for Argentina. Argentina, around January of 1955. Citron. Com. Imagine he survived 10 years. That would be so crazy.

[A]

It's very possible. Whoa. Wow. I mean, that's kind of Hitler. No.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

People used to really dress back then.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You know, people really did dress.

[B]

Okay. That.

[A]

If that's a formality, if that's a.

[B]

Real photo, that's crazy.

[A]

That.

[B]

Does anybody else run that through AI? And what is AI doing to achieve that image?

[C]

It could have. I mean, let me.

[A]

It just got really good. Yeah.

[C]

For plausible deniability, I would go, it could think it's Hitler and just found.

[A]

It and make it Hitler.

[C]

Made it Hitler. But the other guy doesn't really look like that.

[B]

Why does the mustache, like, less defined in the second photo? Like, it looks like. He'd be like, this is not how they do it.

[A]

Looks very young there. Hitler.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Hitler looks great there.

[B]

Yeah. Always getting that Argentinian beef.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Probably a lot of, you know, adrenochrome down there too.

[A]

I mean, this is one of those situations where it's like, let me zoom.

[B]

In on the face again.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't even know what kind of chair it would be. It's kind of. It's so strange.

[B]

I'm not sure if that's really.

[A]

It's so hard.

[C]

AI just did this. But it doesn't have to be real, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We don't know if it's real or not.

[C]

I would go to assume it's not.

[A]

If it is real, Hitler looks great.

[B]

The f. The face looks slightly different than Hitler, though, doesn't it?

[A]

I. I guess so. But I mean, maybe he lost weight.

[B]

Maybe just the guy really committing to that mustache because nobody else would.

[A]

There's also a chance Hitler was very relaxed in Argentina and kind of Columbia. It's kind of like the South American way of life. The siestas kind of at large. Meal in the middle of the day.

[B]

Yeah. Go to a photo. Wow. Actually, it does look like him, doesn't it?

[A]

It looks a lot like Hitler, but like.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Kind of a retired Hitler who's relaxed.

[B]

Yeah. 10 years later, you know? But he doesn't look 10 years older. That's the problem.

[C]

35. So I don't know. If that was from 55, that'd be 20 years.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He doesn't look 20 years older.

[B]

So that speech from 35 up in the left corner. Yeah. Isn't amazing. He stuck with that stupid mustache. Like, why.

[A]

It was his. But it's his call, you know, it's his calling card. It was his thing, you know, some people just. They get a thing and it's. You know.

[B]

Oh. Do you know why they went with that mustache? Because the gas masks.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So if you want to have a seal over your face. So the Nazis were the first to use.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Gas in warfare. Okay. And when you have the. Wear the gas mask. You want to. Tight seat. You can't have a big old fucking.

[A]

So that makes sense.

[B]

Handlebar mustache.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he just kept the stash. Yeah, he kept it.

[B]

I think that's why he had that mustache. I think that's the case.

[A]

I bet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you know that that gas was created by Fritz Haber, who also created the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the air, which is responsible for 50% of the world's fertilizer.

[A]

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He.

[A]

Was that the Cyclone B or no.

[B]

Yes. Well, Zyklon A was the gas that was originally used where you could smell it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the idea of the smell was supposed to let you know that this is dangerous. Get the away from it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Zyklon B. They took the smell out so they could. So they pass the Jews. So this. This guy created this gas that they were going to use in World War I, and he was being wanted for crimes against humanity. At the same time, he was going to win a Nobel Prize for creating the Haber method for extract nitrogen. Yeah. 50% of the. Supposedly 50% of the nitrogen in everyone's body today comes from the Haber method.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's cra. The story Is crazy.

[A]

It's an interesting. It's like two roads diverged in a wood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One of them is the fertilizer.

[B]

Not only that, he was Jewish. And so he wound up having to flee because they accepted him at first, because, hey, this is the guy that gave us the gas. And they're like, no, he's a Jew. And so eventually he had to take off. And so he died of heart failure while he was fleeing. While he was fleeing the country.

[A]

So they made him flee because he was.

[B]

Because he was Jewish.

[A]

Because he was Jewish.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He wasn't ripping them off on the gas. It was gouging.

[B]

It was gas gouging.

[A]

You don't think. He was like, I'm the only one that can do this. I'm the only one. The margins are reasonable.

[B]

Oh, the whole story is crazy. He. It is a crazy story. His wife hated what he was doing and she committed suicide in front of him. And she was still dramatic, still alive, but shot herself. And then he left the wife with his 13 year old son to go to the front line.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To fight with the allies.

[B]

Well, to make sure that his gas gets implemented properly with the giant fans.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

Yeah. It was the first time they'd ever utilized that.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. And supposedly that's where Hitler developed the love of that mustache. Because in order to have that gas mask, to survive the gas, you have to have a tight seal on your face.

[A]

It's such a. These little, these little snapshots into, you know, just like again, from a mustache to the gas mask. It's so crazy. The little snapshots.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Claim he used a fake name, but his first name is still Adolf. Wouldn't you not do that? Better name.

[B]

He used a false identity with Citron specified as Adolf. His account was supported by a photograph taken by the residents. Yeah, but the problem is when you change your first name, everybody forgets pets. You know, if you. If all of a sudden you became Mark and I was like, oh, sorry, Tim.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's too complicated. But if you became Tim Wilson, I'm like, oh, yeah, just change your last name. That's not Tim Dillon, that's Tim Wilson. You get a new head.

[A]

You get a new head.

[B]

Like. Like the Osborne girl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you could just blend right in.

[A]

I go to Peter Thiel's Satan conference with a whole new head.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

He doesn't know who it is.

[B]

Never know.

[A]

He doesn't know who's sitting there for you.

[B]

And wear a burger.

[A]

I should go to the Peter Seal. Peter Thiel, Satan lecture in a burka.

[B]

Well, you can't get in. It's sold out.

[A]

It's sold out and it's private.

[B]

Well, imagine buying a ticket to that. Like, what do you want to do? You want to go to the movies? No. You want to go see a concert?

[A]

Right.

[B]

I don't know. Peter Thiel's giving a lecture on the Antichrist.

[A]

It's clearly such a.

[B]

Let's get a baby.

[A]

It's clearly such a, you know, odd attempt at positioning. Whatever you want to do is like, we're to going gonna, you know, we're trying to fight the Antichrist.

[B]

This is what I think he's doing. He has very esoteric interests, and this is just one of them. Like, if you're worth that amount of money and you're just really into weird stuff, like, I don't know why he brought me over the house to meet Eric Von Daniken, but I was not that influential back then. I was. I was not someone that you would have on the radar as being the guy who is gonna affect presidential campaigns.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was a MMA commentator who's a dirty comedian who talks the Internet.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, that was it. And I had had Eric on my podcast before, and that's how Eric and I became friends. And he knew that I had a deep interest in. And I've read Von Von Daniken's book, I've watched his documentary, and I know that a lot of that stuff has been debunked, and that's one of the reasons why they wanted to be bring me over to ask him questions. And, you know, Von Daniken is a true believer of a lot of that stuff. And I used to think he was totally wrong, and now I don't. Like, if I interviewed him again today, I would have a different perspective because I used to think that the idea that we were visited by ancient aliens and that aliens helped them build the pyramids and all this stuff, I used to think that's all silly. What's really going on is there was a collapse of a very sophisticated civilization because of some sort of cataclysmic disaster. And then we're trying to make sense of this without an understanding of what their technology was. Now I think both might be true.

[A]

Well, yeah. And it seems there's more interest now in the UAP phenomenon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Than there's ever been.

[B]

There's a lot of that. But I also think. Think that's because, look, if you've been in charge of back engineering spaceships, so you've been in charge of lying to Congress and misappropriating funds in order to have the amount of money that you would need to do this stuff. And then through all of this, you've achieved substantial gains in whether it's fiber optics or whatever, the technology that you've back engineered, where you figured out how to make something that's like completely spectacular. You, you're in a situation where as transparency becomes more and more of the norm, like one of the things that's going to happen with, with AI and then most certainly with quantum computing is all decryption, all encryption, all hiding, all that stuff goes away. It becomes a real problem with resources because almost all money is just ones and zeros. So like, who's got access to it? Who does? It's going to be nuts. Like, solving all that's going to be nuts. But also hiding information is going to be virtually impossible. And if there's, if there's people that know eventually at one point in time they're going to have to pay the toll.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Something. So we've got to get ahead of this. And the best way to get ahead of this is like this age of disclosure document. One of the things that all these spooks, all these like, former, former. Yeah, you know, deep, deep state guys who are now whistleblowers. I'm doing air quotes of my fingers for people just listening. They all talk about amnesty. This is the, this is the secret to all this stuff. The secret to the only way you're going to be able to do all this is you got to give amnesty for all the people that committed all these crimes. Because the general public needs to know that this stuff exists.

[A]

That's. That's right.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't know if that's the case, but I do know the historical accounts of us being visited are very consistent and they've been going on forever. I have no experience. I have nothing. I've never seen anything that crazy except on substance, on a few things, but not on. Not sober. I've never seen anything. Right. So, so I'm just, It's all anecdotal to me. I've never held a piece of something that, oh my God, this is from another world. But my friend Jesse Michaels just went down to Peru and they did all these medical scans of these tridactyl mummies and they're not, they're not fake, whatever. The. These things are in the fetal position. They have all the ligaments and tendons. Their heads are huge. They look like a alien. They have Three fingers and three toes. Those. And there's a few of them, they're like three feet tall. And these things are 1700 years old. And they look exactly like all these things that people claim to see when they get abducted by aliens. Not only that, they're in Peru, which is the home of many of these monolithic, huge megastructure sites like Machu Picchu.

[A]

And a lot of the legends coming out of there too. Yeah.

[B]

Well, also, also the Nazca lines like immense artwork that you could only see from the sky. Also all their artwork, like they have ancient artwork depicting three fingered, three toed beings with big heads and big eyes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What the fuck is all this stuff?

[A]

It's gotta be something.

[B]

It's gotta be something. And so my approach to that, because I go, Jamie and I just talked about this yesterday, we go back and forth and back and forth on the alien thing, thing. I think some of it's probably real and I think it might be where this, where Egypt springs from. Where the sub Saharan, Sub Saharan, Sub Saharan Africa. Like this, this whole thing where they think that maybe that was the center of Atlantis. That was.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Why were they so much more sophisticated than anybody else? How did they develop, develop these kind of. How old are these goddamn structures? No one really knows. They're just guessing. It's because it's stone.

[A]

Why does it feel like right now there seems to be a renewed interest in this stuff? Is it just the technology? Is it the Internet? There are more people, there's more documentaries.

[B]

There'S more pop culture for UAP stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Is it. Are we ahead of some kind of disclosure or. We? Are we. Are we, what are we. What is the. Why is this happening now?

[B]

Well, I think the New York Times in 2017 opened the dam.

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Right.

[B]

That was the big thing when they published on the front page of the New York Times this story about UAPs with credible accounts. You know, I had Gary Nolan on the podcast recently and one of the things that he said is they have radar of that Tic TAC thing from 2004, where it goes from sea level to 50,000ft in less than a second. He said, assuming this thing weighed 2 tons, which is like, you know, a regular car, it would take all of the energy that the United States produces in a year to achieve that. To go that fast with a 4,000 pound thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To go from 0 to 50,000 5ft in less than a second, that's how much energy it would take to do that.

[A]

It's, it's, it's that's real. It's real. Yet. No, that's what's weird.

[B]

That's radar.

[A]

And you've had Ross Colthard on that guy.

[B]

No, I have not.

[A]

He's an interesting guy from Australia.

[B]

He.

[A]

They're. They're. They talk about stuff like this, and it's just. I can. You know what's really hard about this stuff is you can never. Like. It's a nebulous. You know.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Because, like, we can talk about the CIA. We could talk about all these things that are provable and exist and there's names and dates and. Yep. Things. And you could go, they manufactured this or they.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With this stuff, we're talking about government agencies without a name or name that's unknown to us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In locales we've never been.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In underground cities. It's all very speculative for my taste. I don't doubt that some level of it happens, obviously, but we're talking about. I don't know how to even approach it. There's so many people talking about it that probably have no idea what they're talking about. So hard.

[B]

Lot of schizophrenics involved. A lot of people that are just complete scam artists. They're lying about having been abducted. There's a lot of ego involved. People want to be special. They want to be the type of person that the aliens are really interested in. You know, it's hard. It's hard. And again, with no personal experience. But then when you talk to people that have had personal experiences is. It's very odd how compelling they are.

[A]

I bet.

[B]

And they don't seem kooky. Like, I talked to this guy, Travis Walton. Yeah. He was abducted in the 1970s in the forests of Arizona. He doesn't seem crazy, man. He doesn't seem like a liar.

[A]

I bet he's not.

[B]

Yeah. Bob Lazar doesn't seem crazy. Doesn't seem like a liar. And not only that, but a lot of things that Bob Lazar said turned out to be true. And I think it was 1989 when George Knapp first interviewed him on television. He was hiding his face, but he was talking about Area S4. Area 51 wasn't even confirmed back then. That wasn't. That wasn't something that they really confirmed. The government didn't confirm it until they tried to expand the boundaries of Area 51 in the Obama administration because too many people were going out there and filming things.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So they had to go. No, the. The place where you can't go is way Further, because you have good telescopes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So he was talking about something that was completely unknown to the general public because it wasn't even just Area 51, it was Site 4, it was S4. And he talked about this place that now we know for sure. They were doing these black ops, these black funded programs where they were creating military vehicles and they were. Were flying people in and out of that area.

[A]

And who's doing it. This, this is a level of. We would imagine this is like military intelligence. That is not.

[B]

No oversight.

[A]

No oversight.

[B]

Yeah. No oversight.

[A]

President really doesn't know. Congress doesn't know.

[B]

Have you ever listened to that? We ever watched the Jeremy Corbell documentary on Lazar?

[A]

No.

[B]

You should watch it.

[A]

I would like to.

[B]

Fucking crazy.

[A]

Is it? Where is it?

[B]

It's on Amazon, Netflix, it's on probably all those.

[A]

Because that's the thing about me. It's like Congress doesn't know, President doesn't know. Then there's a lot of CIA stuff where they don't know about this. But this feels like another subterranean layer that very few people know anything about.

[B]

And the way you're going to get these things done, like if you do have something, you have to back engineer it. Who do you bring in? Well, you bring military contractors in because they make jets, they make spaceships. Those are the people you bring in. You're not going to just get your.

[A]

And they sign a bunch of documents and they don't say anything. And they're surveilled to make sure they don't say anything.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And if they say something, you kill them.

[B]

So the Lazar story was he was. He worked for. What is the lab in New Mexico? What's that place that. Why am I forgetting the name? The place that Lazar worked for in New Mexico. God damn it.

[A]

Los Alamos.

[B]

Yes. Thank you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why can't I. Why am I forgetting that? So he worked at Los Alamos Labs. They denied that he worked there, but he was actually on the employee roster. And there's articles in New Mexico in one of the local newspapers about Lazar being a genius who put a jet engine on the back of a Honda. Like he was a crazy propulsions guy. That was what he was interested in. That's what he. Clearly a brilliant guy when you talk to him. When you listen to him talk. Clearly brilliant. Brilliant. And so they brought him to area S4 and they said, figure this thing out. And they had this spaceship that was sitting in a hangar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they had an American flag sticker on it. And he Said his initial thought was, oh, that's what's going on. So all these people that are seeing this thing, this is ours.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's. Okay. Makes sense. Then he started looking around it and he started getting. First of all, he said it was 3D printed or something because it didn't have any scenes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then it's not designed for human beings. It's designed for something that's three feet tall, and it doesn't have any controls inside of it. So there's some sort of a connection between the mind of whatever the fuck is running it and this thing. And then it had some very bizarre generator inside of it that he said used an element that was unknown. This element was called element 115. They have a stable version of this element. They bombard it with radiation, and it creates this sort of gravity warp that allows it to bend space and time instead of using a traditional propulsion system.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So they didn't. This element wasn't even proven until the. Somewhere in the 2000s, they. With the Large Hadron Collider. So they got a very glimpse of this element. So now this element is a real element, but we don't have a stable version of it. But supposedly Lazar did. And one of the things that they allege is that he escaped area S4 with a piece of this stuff, a piece of this stable element, and that he's been hiding this forever. So one of the things he did with George Knapp was he made a video demonstrating how this. This element bends space and time around.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

And it's like, I gotta watch that doc.

[A]

It is interesting. I've never. It's the one area I've never gotten super into. It's very difficult.

[B]

The Corbell documentary is excellent.

[A]

It's very difficult.

[B]

It got me way back into UFOs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was ready to dismiss them again. I'm, like, ready to leave. I'm back. But that's what supposedly it looks like. That thing right there on the desk.

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

That's the sport craft.

[A]

And that's what transported Hitler to Argentina.

[B]

Well, that's where it gets weird, too, because the. The hit. The. The Nazis were very interested in, like, advanced technology.

[A]

Very interesting in it.

[B]

And they're into the occult. Yeah.

[A]

All of these big constellations of power are interested in the occult.

[B]

Why is that?

[A]

No idea.

[B]

Probably because they feel like that evil and good are real things and that they can.

[A]

Well, for sure. And I also think that they try to. Try to. They're interested in. In sources of power. That seems to be something they're interested in. Sources of power.

[B]

Yeah. And back in the 40s, people still believed in witches. They probably completely believe. Believe that there was sorcery was real.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Some way to, you know, to use spells and powers. And if you're trying to, like, run the world like the Nazis were, and you're on meth, you're on meth, too.

[A]

You're on meth and you're trying to run the world, you know? That's amazing. They had no idea that it was just all of the stuff, the witches and everything. They believed it was just so that Kris Jenner could get a third hat.

[B]

All right, should we wrap this up?

[A]

Thank you so much, brother. It's the most fun.

[B]

Hang with you.

[A]

I'll see you tonight.

[B]

Yes, we're gonna have fun tonight at the club. That should be a good time.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Ron White's gonna be there. Yes.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

We're gonna. We're gonna party.

[A]

We're gonna have fun.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Thank you again.

[B]

My pleasure. We'll talk soon.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Bye, everybody.

[A]

Sam.