#2402 - Miranda Lambert

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2402 – Miranda Lambert (October 29, 2025)

Episode Overview

Joe Rogan sits down with award-winning country singer-songwriter Miranda Lambert for a wide-ranging, funny, and insightful conversation. They dive deep into Miranda's journey through country music, the challenges of maintaining creativity and balance in a high-pressure industry, her passion for animal rescue, unique hobbies like mounted shooting, the quirks of modern fame, and much more. The tone is warm, candid, and at times laugh-out-loud funny, as Miranda and Joe bond over their mutual love of animals, the creative struggle, and country living.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Creative Mind & The Cost of Creativity

• Messy Desks, Messy Minds: Joe and Miranda joke about the "creative mind" as an excuse for disorder and chaos ([00:06]–[00:27]).

  "You're a creative. That's how it works." — Miranda Lambert ([00:17])

• Musicians & Hearing Loss: Both share tales about hearing issues—Joe from martial arts and hunting, Miranda from years of performing ([00:41]–[01:23]).

Balancing Work, Life, and New Hobbies

• Why Diversify?: Miranda talks about picking up new hobbies at 40—like mounted shooting and golf—to inspire creativity and avoid burnout ([05:13]–[06:05]).

  “I just started golf too. I'm in my try new things era.” — Miranda Lambert ([05:47])

• The Power of Focus: Rogan reflects that highly immersive activities, whether shooting on horseback or playing pool, force you to be fully present ([11:05]–[12:02]).

  "There's no room for thinking about, oh, I gotta do laundry... You're just doing that thing only." — Joe Rogan ([10:49])

Mounted Shooting & Beyond

• What Is Mounted Shooting?: Miranda explains the sport (shooting black powder pistols at balloons while on horseback), her friendship with champion Kenda Lonsane, and why she finds it refreshing ([03:31]–[05:00]).

  “Started a new hobby at 40… I think it inspires me to like, take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry.” — Miranda Lambert ([05:13])

The Importance of Stepping Away

• Both discuss the necessity for artists to “live a life” outside their main career in order to stay inspired ([07:53]–[08:15]).
• Rogan’s friend Ari’s off-the-grid adventures illustrate the benefit of disappearing and recharging ([08:15]–[08:38]).

Animal Rescue & Life with Dogs

• Mutt Nation Foundation: Miranda shares the story of her non-profit animal rescue, started with her mom, raising over $11 million ([15:00]–[16:45]).

  "We advocate for spay and neuter, we advocate for adopt, don't shop and we raise money to give to shelters all over the country." — Miranda Lambert ([15:32])

• Dog Talk: Both lament their animal allergies and agree that dogs raise the “love level” of a household ([17:16]–[17:25]).

City vs. Country Life

• Miranda describes splitting time between Nashville and Austin, managing severe allergies in both places, and how her New York City cop husband adapted to Southern life ([18:27]–[20:32]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|--------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:17 | Miranda Lambert | "You're a creative. That's how it works." | | 10:49 | Joe Rogan | “If you're riding a giant animal while shooting a gun, there's no room for thinking about... You're just doing that thing only.” | | 15:00 | Miranda Lambert | "I have a foundation called Mutt Nation Foundation. ... we just, it just has been my heart since I was a little girl ..." | | 23:13 | Joe Rogan/Miranda Lambert | [On first shows post-pandemic] "What did it feel like?" / "Crazy. It was at Billy Bob's in Fort Worth... it was just a cool moment." | | 29:14 | Joe Rogan | “Creativity is interesting because you want to be inspired, and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people.” | | 55:03 | Joe Rogan | "If I was born at a different time... They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid and dope them up. We 100% have it."| | 70:44 | Miranda Lambert | "[On the starlight ceiling] ... and you were like, fate is real. And it was like, boom. And I was like, yeah it is." | | 100:05 | Miranda Lambert | "Like, I did it old school, like boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door, saying, can I play a song?" | | 140:26 | Miranda Lambert | "[About her shows] ...There's a girl fight in the pit. Almost every single show, there's a girl fight in the pit." |

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Detailed Topics, Stories, and Laughter

Songwriting Process & Mentorship

• Miranda prefers co-writing, frequently collaborating with friends like Jack Ingram and John Randall on the "Marfa Tapes" ([27:44]–[29:33]).
• She mentors young artists and emphasizes the importance of living life outside music to feed creativity.

Overcoming Childhood Shyness

• Shares story of benefiting from an encouraging high-school speech teacher, helping her overcome shyness ([60:48]–[62:21]).

  "She needs to do this. She needs to learn to be in front of people." — Ms. Caldwell, Miranda’s teacher ([61:28])

Pool, Golf, and Obsessive Passions

• Rogan details the addictiveness of professional pool, likening the pursuit of "dead stroke" to artistic flow ([44:01]–[46:13]).
• Miranda admits she’s new to sports, with golf and mounted shooting as her entries.

Music Industry Realities

• Both discuss “paying dues”: Miranda playing “shitholes” and winning over audiences before making it big ([48:25]–[49:01]).
• The dark side of instant social media fame, pitfalls for young artists, and the value of growth through struggle ([100:05]–[102:33]).

Social Media Burnout & The "TikTok River"

• They joke about the dangers of getting lost in social media, with Miranda coining "the TikTok River" as a term for its all-consuming nature ([104:31]–[104:46], [156:11]).
• Joe recommends having assistants curate TikTok for artists, so they don’t get sucked in ([98:21]–[98:55]).

Chasing Inspiration and Health Trends

• Wander to topics like nicotine alternatives, the rise of Adderall, and how artists manage focus and the creative grind ([75:35]–[88:51]).
• Miranda and Joe both agree on the importance of moderation, self-awareness, and the risks of dependence.

Animal Tangents

• Hilarious, vivid discussion about chickens, including Miranda’s secret hobby of painting "folk art chickens" and both swapping stories about their own (sometimes carnivorous) chickens ([108:22]–[114:13]).

  “They destroy mice. Yeah. Dang.” — Miranda Lambert ([114:24])

• Conversation on dog fighting, pit bull rescue, and why breed education is important for animal adopters ([118:34]–[121:38]).

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Unique Miranda Lambert Perspectives

• On New Challenges: "I started this at 17 and just was laser focused... Now I'm like, what can we do next? Let's find another hobby." ([48:03], [51:16])
• On Not Having a Backup Plan: "I didn't have a backup plan. That helped." ([49:01])
• On Going Viral vs. Paying Dues: “You still have to pay the dues, but it’s just backwards. You did the journey in reverse.” ([102:04])

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Standout Segments & Timestamps

00:00–03:19 – The quirks of creative minds and long-term hearing damage in music
05:00–07:53 – Miranda’s “new hobby” era: picking up mounted shooting and golf at 40
10:45–12:33 – The meditative, stress-relieving aspect of shooting and archery
15:00–16:45 – The founding and growth of Mutt Nation Foundation animal charity
20:15–21:29 – Austin’s cultural explosion and Miranda's connection to Texas
23:03–24:46 – First shows post-pandemic: emotional comeback and rediscovering love for the road
27:44–29:33 – Co-writing, the Marfa Tapes, and inspiration among other creatives
44:01–46:13 – Joe’s deep dive into the mental side of professional pool
60:48–62:21 – The teacher who helped Miranda conquer shyness and develop self-confidence
70:44 – “Fate is real”: Playful moment as the studio's starlight ceiling cues during a discussion of fate
108:22–114:24 – Folk art chickens and the shocking carnivorous behavior of backyard hens
140:26–141:33 – Feisty songs and Miranda’s unique claim: “almost every show” has a girl fight erupt in the pit

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Final Notes

The episode blends anecdotes and practical wisdom with contagious laughter. It’s an honest look at what it means to grow up, adapt, remain creatively fulfilled, and stay sane in show business. Miranda’s humility, humor, and authenticity shine, with Joe steering the conversation through serious and silly topics alike. Whether talking about songwriting, the economics of TikTok, or the weirdness of backyard chickens, their down-to-earth chemistry makes for engaging listening.

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How to Find Miranda Lambert

“I’m on all your social media platforms. MirandaLambert.com.” — Miranda Lambert ([157:04])

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For more, follow Miranda’s music and her animal advocacy work via the links above. And beware the TikTok River — “a lot of people drown in that river.”

Transcript

[Miranda Lambert]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

Check it out.

[Miranda Lambert]

The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast By night, all day. I need a desk. The desk is a mess because my mind is a mess. I wish my mind was.

[Miranda Lambert]

You're a creative. That's how it works.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that how it works?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that the excuse we use?

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm trying to make myself feel better.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's the excuse we use for each other.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I'm a creative. It's my go to default.

[Joe Rogan]

Is the compression on? Something sounds weird. Oh, it's just really loud. Something happened. Maybe my ears got better. What happened?

[Miranda Lambert]

You can hear now. My ears aren't very good.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes I, you know, when I'm underwater for too long or I swim or something like that, and then I forget that my ears have water in them and then they come out like, ah. There's that moment where like, oh, this is how I hear.

[Miranda Lambert]

I feel like I have the in ear monitors for my job and.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Miranda Lambert]

I still, like, I've been using them for, I don't know, 20 years and I'm still not used to them. Like, I come from, like, honky tonk world where you can hear everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Hear the room.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's so good that people have them now because, boy, so many people I know from back in the day are almost deaf.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, yeah, we. I'm so glad we have them. It's not the same. I mean, you don't feel the energy of the room, but save your hearing, which is helpful.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good trade off. Yeah, you can hear enough. It's a good trade off. And so many of my friends who shoot guns too, Same thing. You know, they started hunting when they were kids and no ear protection back then. And, you know, you say something to them and they're like, what? Like they're all. They're all half deaf.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. My dad is a police officer and he's. I swear that's why my parents are still married. Because he can't hear it all. The dog ate his hearing aid. He never replaced it. And I'm like, is that on purpose, dad?

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely. Hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah. You definitely develop an ability to shut things off.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Otherwise, because men and women think and communicate differently. And if you want your wife to communicate with you the way your buddies do, then, well, you married a dude.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. So if you want to be married to a woman, you have to listen. Like, listen and everything.

[Miranda Lambert]

Both ears.

[Joe Rogan]

And sometimes it's like roundabout journey to get to the point. And you can't go, what the fuck are you talking about? Because they're like, oh my God, why are you so hostile? So you have to go, okay, okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

Selective hearing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, selective hearing.

[Miranda Lambert]

But my husband will, like, I'll say it and I'll be like, say it back to me. And like. And I found that when I do that, it's worse. I'm like, I'm like, say. Say what I said back to you. Get bananas at the store. So he comes home like, where's bananas? I didn't get any. So don't repeat it. Just hold it in there.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. He blocked it out for himself.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very funny. Yeah, the. The earring thing, the hearing thing is kind of nuts that no one knew. Like, it just makes you wonder, like, when did people. When I wonder when people were aware that like loud music was gonna kill your hearing.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know, like, just. I mean, I. I've had the in ears for a long time and they did save all of our ears. But it's like, I think that. And then like the longer you go, like, still, even though I have those, like, I turn them up way too loud. Oh, I'm like missing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Miranda Lambert]

The energy.

[Joe Rogan]

Just say it.

[Miranda Lambert]

For this show, take one out. Like sometimes when it's like a house band, you just get to use wedges. I'm like, yes, it's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

What's a wedge?

[Miranda Lambert]

It's just like the little on stage monitor.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Miranda Lambert]

You know what I mean? So. But it's just so loud. I mean, it's so loud. And I also do. I do mounted shooting. And so I saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Miranda Lambert]

And so it's a good reminder. Like the first time I took off on the 1st. I just started it last year. I'm not good at all, but I love it. And I took off on my horse and I forgot to wear earplugs. And I was like, well, I'm a musician. I should probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off of a horse.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But it's. Is it a revolver using a regular bullet?

[Miranda Lambert]

No, it's black powder.

[Joe Rogan]

Just the powder itself.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep. And so it's spectator safe, horse safe.

[Joe Rogan]

So it just sprays.

[Miranda Lambert]

Sprays powder.

[Joe Rogan]

Powder and air at the balloon and pops. Balloons. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

What distance it gets you? I think 15 yards. Feet.

[Joe Rogan]

Feet. Oh, okay. So you're just riding around the horse popping balloons.

[Miranda Lambert]

Uh huh. I love it. I do.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the origin of that sport?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know. Actually, one of my best friends, her name is Kenda Lonsane and she lives out in Scottsdale. She's like the ten time world champion.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, whoa, hold on. There's a world championship of popping balloons on a horse?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it's called mounted shooting and cowboy mounted shooting. But she's cowgirl and she's like, God's girl is everybody. She's a badass. And became friends with her and I just never had the guts to go do it, you know? And finally my husband was like, stop talking about it and go out there and do it. Go out there and shoot with her. You'll love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I got addicted immediately. It's just like something different.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's very wild west, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's all it is, except it's the.

[Miranda Lambert]

Balloon as the perpetrator.

[Joe Rogan]

But I mean, that's how you would train, right. Without killing people.

[Miranda Lambert]

And it's like, you know, just something like started a new hobby at 40. Like, it's just try to like preoccupy my mind and, and I don't know, I think it inspires me to like take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know, so just like trying new things and saying, what the hell, let's go for it.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's very good for artists. I try to talk to comedians about that all the time. I'm like, pick up something, man. Yeah, hobbies are play golf, go fishing, do something. For me, I play pool, do something.

[Miranda Lambert]

I just started golf too. I'm in my try new things era.

[Joe Rogan]

There you go. Did you try new things?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes, my, my, yes era. Like, sure, I'll do it. Started golf not too great yet, but I did. I just played the Ryder Cup.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Miranda Lambert]

They had like a celebrity. Somebody heard I played golf and when they heard that, I literally started like that day.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's a nut and I. He's a full on golf nut.

[Miranda Lambert]

Literally was like cramming my ass off like this September because I was on tour all summer and I didn't have time to practice. And you know how that feels like golf is. You have to practice. And.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have a coach?

[Miranda Lambert]

I had a coach. Yes, Dan, I have a coach and he came with me as my caddy. Very helpful. But it was, it was an experience. It was a lot of pressure.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you feel it even though, like nobody expected you to win?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I mean, I just felt like what the hell have I done when I got there? It's like doing something you don't do in front of people.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of people do it. You just don't do it a lot.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, and I don't. I do things in front of people, but it's singing.

[Joe Rogan]

You do things in front of people and you're really good at it. That's the difference.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, that's the thing. Doing something that you suck at in front of people is a very scary place to be.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right. Jamie has O.J. simpson's golf clubs. Not all of them. I have a few. How many do you have? It's not really awesome at all. They're haunted.

[Miranda Lambert]

Whatever you're into.

[Joe Rogan]

A couple dry. How many you got? Three? No, I mean, I got a whole set, but do you use them? I use.

[Miranda Lambert]

One of them is. Did you hit? Well, I have.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I use it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Why are they. Blister curse?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he bought it as a goof. You know, it's just fun to talk about. It's a fun. Just one of those things. Conversation starter. It came up. Was it. Did you get him after he died?

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I got him, like, six months ago. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot when he died a couple years ago.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, that's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, hey, I guess. But it is really important having some kind of a thing that you do to take your mind off of the business, because the people that I know where their mind is only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy. You can eventually get lost in your own little world. Like, you need a little break.

[Miranda Lambert]

You do. And I think it's like, you know, especially if you're, like, a writer. Like, you got to go live to write about it or. What are you writing about? Same. You already said.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's like, I need to go live a life and gather information and be around different people and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Sort of open my circle up to just, I don't know, different experiences. Yeah. Environment.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. My friend Ari does that. He disappears for, like, three months every year and a half or so. And, like, he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email.

[Miranda Lambert]

He, like, goes off grid.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia. He backpacks through Asia. And he's famous. He's a famous comedian, and he doesn't give a. He just goes and vanishes for, like. We can't find him. No one knows where he is. I don't hear from him for, like, three, four months. I just hope he's alive.

[Miranda Lambert]

Does it change him?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I'm not. I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging a golf club. Nothing as cool as that.

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing you're doing, the thing about both of those things is they require all of your focus while you're doing. I mean, if you're riding a giant animal while you're shooting a gun, like, there's no room for thinking about, oh, I gotta do laundry. You know, there's no room. You just, you're just Doing that thing only.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. That's what. That's what I think I loved about it and got addicted to.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

You know, and I guess I don't really have. I always say I don't have, like, an adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I have to have a little bit for joining the circus, like I did, you know, Like. Yes, you do.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of joining the circus.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. So. But, like, I think that just that little. That the focus and the little jolt that you get of, like, you know, the same kind of high we get, like, after a show, you know, it's like. I still guess I need that, but just in a different form.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Joining the rodeo. There's. There's something about shooting at things, too. I do archery, and there's something about shooting at things that also just really cleans your mind, because in that moment while you're pulling a trigger, there's no room for anything else. If you're trying to hit a target, there's no room for anything else, and it just. It pushes all that stuff away. It gives you, like, a little. Little mental vacation.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you come back, like, cleaner.

[Miranda Lambert]

What kind of bow are you shooting?

[Joe Rogan]

I shoot a compound.

[Miranda Lambert]

Compound bow?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The Hoyt?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

I used to shoot bows. I have a long time, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Miranda Lambert]

I. I got them back out during 2020, when I had all the time in the world, and my husband's from New York City, so I was like, I got these bows. I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So we just set up the targets and got them all fixed up, and it was fun. I mean, it is fun. It's the same thing. I think you're. It's very similar focus. It's just. Even if it's just for a little while, it's that little moment in time that this is all I'm doing right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Have you ever bow? Hunted?

[Miranda Lambert]

I used to be a hunter. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep. I did hunted for a long time. My dad.

[Joe Rogan]

Tree stand.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

Or ground blind. Either way.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

Bow hunting was my absolute favorite to. To do because it took the focus and it was intimate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And it took a lot of skill and practice, certainly, to make sure you're. Yeah. White tail, Whitetail.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Miranda Lambert]

But I raised a baby deer, a buck.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's a problem.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep, that's a problem. So my hunting days are behind me. Peace on my heart.

[Joe Rogan]

We found a buck with a broken leg on our property, and my wife took to feeding it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And all of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out the window.

[Miranda Lambert]

It changes things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because it's kind of like a dog. Like, they're.

[Miranda Lambert]

He was just like a dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, they're sweet right up to you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Wild ass, white tail deer, like, became like my pet.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's different than any other feral animal in that they domesticate like that.

[Miranda Lambert]

They really do. Like, he was literally. I'd come home and he would run over to me like a dog. Like, so. Definitely changed my mind.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think it's because they're dumb, unfortunately. I think nature has them set up to be not very intelligent and just food.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and he's a beautiful food thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's really what they are.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. My dad. My dad, you know, I grew up hunting with him. Like, taught me how to shoot a gun, all that stuff at 17. And when I raised that buck, he was like, it's over, isn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's over.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's over.

[Joe Rogan]

It's over.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll never raise a baby elk, I'll tell you that.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't do it too much.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But I. I get it. I mean, we have deer in our neighborhood, and I see these little cute babies that are born every year, and, you know, we stop the car. Oh, my God.

[Miranda Lambert]

Especially in Texas. They're everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Everywhere.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's not any predators out here because you just shoot them.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's like these deer all over the place, and they're just super. Unless they get hit by a car, I don't know what happened.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're, like, not affected.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

No. No. But they are beautiful. And it's just. It's cool to have animals around. Just. It's cool to be at least in some kind of form of nature.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I'm such animal lover. I mean, I. I don't do well. Like, that's why I brought your dog toys. I'm like, I just. I just. I don't know. It's part of, like, who I am is to have especially dogs. Like, that's my. My heart.

[Joe Rogan]

But me too.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have a foundation called Mutt Nation Foundation. I started with my mom 2009, and so far we've raised over $11 million since then. For. It was like a little mom and pop operation back in the day. But. But we just. It just has been my heart since I was a little girl, I think, growing up in the country where there's just animals everywhere, whether it's deer or stray dogs or stray cats or Whatever. I think it just kind of prepped me for, you know, when, when you like get a platform and someone's like, what do you want your charity to be? It's like, oh, I know what it's going to be.

[Joe Rogan]

So what does your charity do?

[Miranda Lambert]

We rescue. Well, we advocate for Rescue Mutt Nation Foundation. We don't have shelters. We lift up the arms of shelters is what we say. Because we, my mom and dad were private investigators my whole life. And so my mom like, just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was a little girl, you know, you live in the country, people dump them off and whatever. Started adopting some from the shelter as a teenager and volunteering and so, you know, she sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background, you know, checking up on people, make sure they're doing what they're supposed to. And, and so like 2009, it was like, oh, I kind of started to get a name for myself and you need to pick something that you're passionate about that you want to give back to. So we started it and basically we advocate for spay and neuter, we advocate for adopt, don't shop and we raise money to give to shelters all over the country. Every year we give a five thousand dollar grant to a shelter in every state and try to not repeat. So there's just so many that need help, you know, and there's so many amazing animals out there. We just try to remind people there's amazing animals out there that you don't have to go buy one. There's.

[Joe Rogan]

If my, my wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic, you still have two dogs. But if I, if that wasn't the case, I'd have like 50 dogs. I can't.

[Miranda Lambert]

But are yours are not non shedders.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yours are shedders though, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they shed. Yeah, that, you know, you just keep them clean. She's not, not nearly as bad as when I first met her. When I first met her, she really would get like hives if she pet the dogs. But also I was not that good at washing my dogs. And they're always in the yard playing around and they're always dirty.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But if you don't have dogs, dogs are like extra love. You have, your love in your life will be whatever the level's at now, It'll be like 35% higher.

[Miranda Lambert]

100 agree for sure. I'm allergic to everything. I love horses, cats, dogs.

[Joe Rogan]

You're allergic to horses.

[Miranda Lambert]

All of it. I live, I live like I live on Allegra. Wow. I'm just, like, popping allegro to enjoy my life, but I don't care. It's worth it.

[Joe Rogan]

One of my daughters is so allergic that we went to Rome once, and we were on this horse. Driven. They have, like, these tourist things you do. You sit in the back of a wagon. The horse drags around the city, and just being downwind of the horse, her eyes were swelling up. We had to get out off the horse and walk the rest of the way. Then we had to find a pharmacy.

[Miranda Lambert]

It was terrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it was bad. She's got it bad.

[Miranda Lambert]

Did she do shots or anything?

[Joe Rogan]

She did that. She did the whole thing, but they hated it, you know? And when my wife stopped doing shots, then all of her allergies got way better, and she was doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens. You know, a lot of people that come from places like California, you don't realize it. You come here, and then you get whammied with, like.

[Miranda Lambert]

I was sneezing all the way over here because I just landed.

[Joe Rogan]

You get them, too. You get them, too.

[Miranda Lambert]

I just. Like, I live in Nashville half the time and Austin half the time, and I. It's like, the two. Two of the worst places for allergies.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, oh, are they really?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. It doesn't matter.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I didn't know Austin was that bad, and I didn't get him at all until really probably last year.

[Miranda Lambert]

How long have y' all been here?

[Joe Rogan]

Five years.

[Miranda Lambert]

Five years.

[Joe Rogan]

Almost six. So, like, no, five. So like, last year, I started getting sore throats, and I was like, am I getting sick? What the is going on? Then I went to Vegas for the ufc. No sore throat.

[Miranda Lambert]

You're fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Came back, sore throat again. I'm like, oh, damn it.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's an allergy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's an irritation, because it didn't make any sense. I was like, I feel good. I feel, like, really healthy. But, like, this hour, this thing in my throat's bugging me. I'm like, maybe I just got to be careful. Maybe I'm fighting off a cold because I didn't want to admit it. I was like, everybody else getting allergies, I'm not getting.

[Miranda Lambert]

It makes sense if you're, like, not used to the. The trees and the grass here. I mean, it's like. It's a whole new, like, ecosystem that you have to get used to.

[Joe Rogan]

But the weird thing they say it takes, like, three years before it hits you. And I was like, shut up. That doesn't make any sense, but it's true. Yeah, it's true. Seems to be true. Seems to get you after, like, three years.

[Miranda Lambert]

What do you do about it?

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing. Just deal with it. I figure my body's gonna adapt. I feel like if I just, like, let my body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what they are, it'll figure it out. I took a lot of vitamins. It'll be fine. Yeah, and it seems to be better. Like, this year, I got, like, a couple sniffles a few days in a row where I was, like, thinking I had a cold, and then I realized it was high. Something mold or fucking cedar or whatever the hell it is.

[Miranda Lambert]

You just didn't have to pay attention to it before.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all the positives about living here, like, greatly outweigh it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I love it, too.

[Joe Rogan]

This place rules.

[Miranda Lambert]

It does. I'm glad y' all are here. You came in 2020 then, right? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep. My little brother lives here and his husband Mark, and he went to UT and never came home. Our little town, Lindale, Texas, representing Today, it's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And so I bought a place here in 2017 and spend a lot of time in Austin.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's a great town.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great it is, because people want to move here.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it's not that great. There's a lot of allergies.

[Joe Rogan]

Guys. Yeah, guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I talked to a lot of people into moving here, and I think I'm done talking to people. Yeah, like, we're good.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, Nashville is our other city that that's happened into, but, you know, the more the merrier, really.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the thing about Austin is, like, it wasn't really much of a comedy scene. There was one comedy club that closed before I moved here. It had already closed, like, before the pandemic. And I guess, like, at the beginning of the pandemic, it went under. And so the comedy scene here was kind of empty. And, you know, when we moved here and we started doing shows here, it was one of the only places in the country where you could do live, indoor shows. And we were like it. And then comedians just started moving here because they were convinced that LA was never going to open. And once I was here and Ron White was here, Tony Hinchcliffe was here, everybody was like, well, let's fuck it. I want to live.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to be Trapped in my house and not be able to perform for a year and a half or whatever it's going to be.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, that's great. I. My first show back, I think it was after like 332 days of no shows, no bus rides.

[Joe Rogan]

What did it feel like?

[Miranda Lambert]

Crazy. It was at Billy Bob's in Fort Worth because like you said, Texas was like, what, Covid, we're going to go do stuff. We're going to Honky Tonk right now. Yeah, so it was. We did a little residency at Billy Bob's.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice.

[Miranda Lambert]

We did five shows and I did Covid. Yeah, I mean, but I had it before. I had. I had. I had it before we even knew what it was on the road. Like, I was around so many people on tour, and before we knew it, it was. I had this thing. Like, none of my tricks worked with, like, all my singer tricks, like steroid shot, B12. I've vocal rest, like, just couldn't shake it. And then a month later, it's like, oh, that's because it's something real bad we've never heard of. I had to cancel shows was terrible. But the Show. First show back was I had five in a row, but the first one was like, just rowdy and like so old school honky tonk feeling and like I was crying. It was just, it was a cool moment.

[Joe Rogan]

It feels weird, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

It was good to miss it, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Miranda Lambert]

It was really good to miss it. I, you know, I never had a chance to. I never stop country music especially. Like, we just don't. We just tour around. Weekend warriors, make a record, tour it for two years, do it again, repeat, rinse, repeat. And I've been doing this since I was 17, so, like just years and years of not knowing if I could miss it, just, you know, grinding. And I did. I mean, I was like, dang, I, I miss my bus. I miss the road, which I wasn't sure would happen, right, because it's so grading.

[Joe Rogan]

It is.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's hard. And so, yeah, I was, I was happy to be back, but. But now it's back harder than ever. It's like just, you know, it's a, It's a different. It hits different. After 40, you don't recover as quickly.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you, do you ever, like, carve out vacation times? Like say, like for the month of December? I'm not doing shit.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, that's the winter. Like last year I went to Arizona. I went to, to Phoenix area and rode with all those cowgirls shooting guns off horses. And I was like. And I was just so rejuvenated and refreshed and I was like, I need to make that a priority. Like, I just think none of us are good at that. If you're really driven and really goal oriented and like, you are. I mean, I have to like make myself. And then I'll go and say, well, they're working me to death. They is me. I'm the one adding shit to my calendar. That is me. My husband's like, you said you were going to be off this week. Like, well, I had this one. It's like. So I really am making like, like the priority to like take some winter months and you know, because we start touring in the spring and don't stop till the winter again. So I feel like it's, you know, it's important.

[Joe Rogan]

It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do to give yourself a forced vacation, some sort of a break. So just think think of your creativity as like a battery. You can't run your phone until it's got zero. You got to charge it. So stick it in the cable, put it into the Wall. Let it charge for a little while. Like, you gotta think about it that way, I guess.

[Miranda Lambert]

What do you do for your chill time?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't do a lot of chilling.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I don't. I didn't think so.

[Joe Rogan]

I just do other stuff.

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[Miranda Lambert]

I was like, I feel like you're. You're preaching to the choir over here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, I watch tv. I like to watch like documentaries and stuff. And I watch fights and I watch YouTube videos, but I can't do it much or I just don't like that feeling. I feel like I'm wasting time. So I have to keep myself up.

[Miranda Lambert]

To do other things.

[Joe Rogan]

But.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, that's the things. Like, I'm not just, you know, going out there to chill out on the couch. I'm like. I'm in the desert doing something physical also. Like, musicians are like, our life isn't that physical. Like, we don't. It's kind of a. As far as like, activity. Like we. For writing songs. We're sitting around writing songs, we're sitting around practicing. We're standing there, you know, until the show part. So, like, I have to make sure I like my hobbies. Should be active.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

You know, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Just. And also do something that, like, active stuff stimulates your mind more. And I think active stuff will probably aid in your writing more. Right?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

It has to. I mean, it just makes sense.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. When you. When you sit down to. Do you like, sit down right in front of a computer? Do you wait till an idea comes to you? Do you write on a piece of paper? How do you.

[Miranda Lambert]

All of it usually, like. I love to co write writing by myself. I'm not good at it. I encourage it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but I need to do it myself more because co writing is fun. You're like hanging around. With. Which I met you actually at one of my favorite writers benefit. Jack Ingram. Him and John Randall is my other best friend. And I, we. Which I think you met him too. We. We have a little side project we call the Marfa Tapes. And we would go out to the desert in Marfa and. Which is. Have you been there yet?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is like a different world.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what Rick Rubin says.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is a different literal, different world. And it. There's so like, it's. It's magical. I don't know what's in the air out there, but.

[Joe Rogan]

How far is the drive from here?

[Miranda Lambert]

About six and a half.

[Joe Rogan]

Six and a half.

[Miranda Lambert]

It was that coffee.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You want some?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Anyway, like, we'll sit around and Junior is amazing. Cheers, guitar player. Cheers. Thank you. He'll come up with like a riff or somebody has a title. That's why I like co writing. I don't know, it's more fun to celebrate it with your friends. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up with in the green room because we're just riffing.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, there's always a moment, like, you know, we're hanging around and Tony will say something. Well, I. Dude, write that down. Write that down.

[Miranda Lambert]

Same thing. It's the exact same thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because you want to be inspired, and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Especially people that are better than you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure. Right? Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer and great musician. We should be friends. I need to learn from you, and you make me look cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And it's. It kicks up your desire to do better a notch.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Especially, like, too. I've been working with younger artists and I love seeing their fire like they're like racehorses at the gate. You know what I mean? And it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I. I feel the same way about working with young comedians. It's important. It's good. It's also. It's like, great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do, like, their first big crowd, you know, like. Like, come on, man. This is just like a regular club. Go out there, give me some knuckles.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And you see. Watch them kill in front of thousands of people. And they come back like, whoa.

[Miranda Lambert]

And you're like, oh, now. Now you got the bug.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, now you got. Well, they had the bug already. But it's like you get to feel it. I get to feel it again for the first time. I've done it so many times. It's almost kind of normal.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which it never should be normal, you know, and you get to see somebody else experience, like, the jolt of, like, what it feels like that spotlight in your face and all those people in the crowd. And it's exciting.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is. And it's good. It's like, it's a reminder, you know, I think it's so important people, like, people ask you this, like, do you get nervous. Like, I get. I don't get nervous. Like, I get.

[Joe Rogan]

Anticipation.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, that's a great word. I don't know. I'm gonna start saying that because I was like, I don't really have an answer because I care and I want to do well, and I get like this. It's anticipation. It's not nerves, per se.

[Joe Rogan]

I think once you stop feeling something, really, you're doing the wrong thing no matter what it is. I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I haven't stopped feeling anything yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we go. This is crazy.

[Miranda Lambert]

Bang. I'm still feeling all those feels for a while.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure. I don't know if that'll ever go away. Right. Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse and. And it's.

[Miranda Lambert]

No, it's not up to you. And I think that's why I like it. It's. Cause I have grown to trust me in my gig. Like, I trust me. I trust my band. But mostly it's up to me. Like, I'm the one standing there for the microphone, and I know my capabilities, and I know what I can deliver on a hobby like golf. I'm like, I don't know what the hell's about to happen when I swing this club. This is not up to me. Right. This little son of a bitch isn't moving, and I can't hit. Just like. I don't know. And the same thing with the horse. It's like, up to my horse. Not. It's not up to me. You know, I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride. But it's about him, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Miranda Lambert]

His name is cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That's his name. Yeah. With a K or a C?

[Miranda Lambert]

It's a C. He's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a great Morris Day in the Time song.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You never heard that song? Cool. Oh, it's a great song.

[Miranda Lambert]

I need to hear it. We have a theme song. I didn't know it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we'll give her some of that. We'll have to cut this out. Otherwise we'll get removed from YouTube. But play more. Stay in the time.

[Miranda Lambert]

Cool.

[Joe Rogan]

This is, like, during the Prince days. Morris Day in the Time, I think, is, like, one of the most underappreciated bands from that era from, like, the early 90s. Because they got kind of eclipsed by Prince.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, because they were hanging around with Prince, and they were part of like the whole Prince.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know anything.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't know what More Stay in the Times.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Play Cool by Morris Day in the Times. I'm making sure it's the right one. I got a version that says it's just Morris Day. And then another version popped up that said it was just the time. So let me go either way. It's always going to be Morris Day singing. I don't think the time ever played without Morris. Morris is cool. As though. Here it is. All right, we'll edit this out for people at home. Sorry. Go find this.

[Miranda Lambert]

Awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that.

[Miranda Lambert]

Look at the clothes.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's so corny. It's so great. It's so, like, what year is that? Like, I don't know. It's got to be early 90s, right? 91.

[Miranda Lambert]

81.

[Joe Rogan]

81. Wow.

[Miranda Lambert]

I wasn't even born on the earth.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's crazy. 1981. Wow. I was a freshman in high school.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm an 83, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then. That's crazy. Wow. It was a weird time back then. Because Prince was so big that there was like a bunch of fake princes. Like, people started imitating Prince. It's almost like a lot of always what happens. Yeah. Androgynous.

[Miranda Lambert]

There's one. And then they're like, oh, let's all be like that one. So there's 20 more that aren't as good.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Yeah. You know, a bunch of fake Michael Jackson's. I'm sure there was a bunch of people that just tried to do something like, what is he. How. What's that guy doing? You know? And with Prince, it was like, what is this? What's happening here?

[Miranda Lambert]

Very, like, very uniquely authentic. Yeah, Authentically himself. Like, so even that was like trying to be too close probably a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Not as good. That's the problem. You're not as good as Prince. You're awesome. You're great. Yeah, but your Prince is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars.

[Miranda Lambert]

Exactly. There are those. There's some that just aren't from here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right. That guy was just different than everybody, you know? I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard a print song. And I was like, this is crazy. Like, who is this guy? It was I want to be your lover. Do you remember that fucking song? And it was like, this is a guy singing like a girl on Stage, he's like three feet tall, and all the women want to fuck him. Like, this is nuts. I have never seen anything like this in my life.

[Miranda Lambert]

What's happening?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, what did this guy do? This guy's a sorcerer. Like, what? He was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage, and no one cared. And it wasn't like, boo, what are you dressing like a girl? No one gave a fuck. He was so good. And so there's something about the magnetic personality that he had. There was, like, the charisma that he had was, like, so undeniable that everybody was like, holy, what is this?

[Miranda Lambert]

That's not taught. That's innate. That's. You're born with that.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't teach Prince. How do you teach that?

[Miranda Lambert]

No, you don't. Like, you grew up in Jersey, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there till six.

[Miranda Lambert]

Where'd you grow up?

[Joe Rogan]

Grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. I lived in Gainesville, Florida, from 11 to 13.

[Miranda Lambert]

Lots of moving.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a lot of moving. And then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24. Then I lived in New York.

[Miranda Lambert]

New York from the city?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I live. I couldn't afford parking, so I had to live outside the city. Because I'm a comedian, I had to drive everywhere. I had a lot of road gigs. That's where I made my money.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So to drive to Connecticut and Rhode island, like, in the city, it was like a parking spot was hundreds of dollars a month back then. So I lived in New Rochelle.

[Miranda Lambert]

Okay, cool. My husband is. Was nypd. He's. He retired after eight years, but because I drug him down to Tennessee and now Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice.

[Miranda Lambert]

And now he says y'. All.

[Joe Rogan]

Does he. He said y' all unironically. How long has he been there?

[Miranda Lambert]

We've been married seven years.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. After five. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Miranda Lambert]

But I. I got to live up there. When we first got married, we had an apartment, Soho. And I'm from, like, BFE Lindell, Texas. Like, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

Dallas is our biggest city, and. And it's 80 miles, like, so I had so much fun. Like, I just. He was still a cop, so I just wander around all day. Like, I had gigs on the weekends, but, like, Monday through Wednesday, I'm just like Desperate Housewives of Soho. I'm just, like, running around and, like, going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine, meet people. And it's just. It's a city that, like, nobody cares who you are at all. They're just like.

[Joe Rogan]

It's an amazing city.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's amazing. They're like.

[Joe Rogan]

If you like cities.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I mean, I like visiting. Six months was. I got my fill. I loved it. We're there a ton of. Because his family's still there. But I just. I enjoyed, like, really immersing because I'd never done that. And I'm not really a city girl, but I was like, I'm just gonna use every bit of this that I can. Wrote some great songs. Like, wrote one called Fire Escape. I didn't know what that was. Before Escape, you should walk out the door, you know? So it was. It was cool. It was cool time.

[Joe Rogan]

But. Well, that would be a great place to, like, rewire your brain creatively to write stuff because, yeah. You're forced. In a totally different environment.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In the weirdest environment on Earth, in my opinion. I think the weirdest environment on Earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I don't think that's normal at all.

[Miranda Lambert]

No, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

I Think your whole body just goes, like, you're always at three or four all day long. Always, never at zero.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes. My husband just now, like, we literally talked about yesterday, I was like, you are finally, like, at a regulated nervous system level. Because it just. I think he was just used to, like, just. You have to vibrate at a different energy, especially if you're a police officer. Like, that's a whole different. You know what I mean? And so finally, like, we have a farm in Tennessee, and we were there for, like, a couple days this week and just chilling, making cookies and being normal. And it's like, he's finally, like, enjoying that. Cause it's. Even when I had my little time in New York City, I was like, this is a. It's a lot of, like, I couldn't do this 247 for long periods of time because I just can't come down and, like, ground myself.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

I need to touch grass.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I do, too. Being a cop in New York City has got to be, like, one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. I mean, that's right up there, like, below being a soldier in war, like, being a cop. I mean, I have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field, like, as police officers, and they're going and seeing things on a daily basis, they're seeing way more carnage, way more up things than these guys who had served. They were both. They did both. They were like, I saw way more as a cop than I ever did as an officer.

[Miranda Lambert]

It makes sense. It's a lot. I mean, his whole family, police officers. My whole family is firemen and police officers, too. So I can't. I think that was kind of our bond anyways. It's kind of. We grew up exactly the same, just in different parts of the country. But.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts. We were always training with cops. And, you know, I'd listen to stories that they would tell me about, like, things that they got into, and they were getting into things like that. Like, on a daily basis, there's always shootouts, there was always car wrecks, There was always murders and domestic violence cases. And just like, man, how many of those guys are just walking around with severe ptsd and no one cares, no one respects.

[Miranda Lambert]

No one's talking about it. Like, they're just. You know, I think that, like, they don't even acknowledge it themselves. Like, I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his whole career and. And back in the day, like. And my. And my husband, like, they just don't. And then they just come home and.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you know, I'd kill my hearing aids, too.

[Miranda Lambert]

He's like, the dog ate it. I guarantee you. He just threw it away.

[Joe Rogan]

Put peanut butter on that thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

Good job, reclaimer. We know what you did now. Peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong so many ways.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man. He probably needed peace and quiet. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

He needs mom to hush.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Everybody shut the world off.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know the. One of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time, is deaf. There's a guy named Shane Van Boning.

[Miranda Lambert]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

He shuts his hearing aid off when.

[Miranda Lambert]

He plays, so it's just silent.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just fuck off, world. And he's just in his. Like, you could. People could be screaming in the crowd. He doesn't hear shit.

[Miranda Lambert]

What is it about pool? Like, what's the. What you said you play pool, you like it?

[Joe Rogan]

I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah. I've been playing forever.

[Miranda Lambert]

But what is it about that particular.

[Joe Rogan]

Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are. They don't care what you think you are. They don't care. Care who you know, how much money you have, you know what you've accomplished already, how many shots you've already made. The balls don't care. The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide. And if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in. And it requires all of your concentration. And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with, like, English. So you're dealing with, like, spin on the cue ball left and right. And you're dealing with draw and follow. It's a dance of the mind. And these orbs, you're hitting a ball into another ball and trying to get that thing to go straight. And it just requires this complete harmony of hand, eye coordination and your spirit. Like, you have to, like, stay calm while you're doing it.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's why it's a very. That's a very good explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player. I mean, you would think, like, playing as many honky tonks as I have played that I could play pool.

[Joe Rogan]

Most people so bad that think they could play pool can't play pool. Most people don't know really how to play pool.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, back in my day, it was like, just a place to flirt yeah, it's that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's that the thing about pool is once you get down the road and you start understanding, you get. You really start getting the game and understanding. And then playing in tournaments and then gambling, then you're dealing with, like, real pool players. And these real pool players play pool eight hours a day.

[Miranda Lambert]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Every day. You have to. Because you know how the thing of, like, being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding a horse, being comfortable, like, shooting a bow or. Or playing golf, multiply that times 100 and you have pool. Because pool's the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball. Every other game you hit a ball, you just hit a ball with a stick. But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls. Like, the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot. And then the other one, you want to make sure that gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket while you're, like, calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and avoiding collisions. It's maddening.

[Miranda Lambert]

Very. Like, I just got anxiety.

[Joe Rogan]

It's maddening.

[Miranda Lambert]

Just got stressed out.

[Joe Rogan]

It'll drive you crazy. It's a game that will drive you crazy. But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and being in dead stroke. It's a rare thing. It happens, like, you know, once a month or something like that, where you just can't miss, where you know where everything is, and it's this, like, calm that comes over. Like, the world dissolves, and all you feel is the table and you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls. You know how many revolutions each ball is going to make. You feel the difference between two extra revolutions, like, you know where. How hard to hit it. Exactly. And that's what everybody's chasing. They're chasing this feeling of being.

[Miranda Lambert]

Why does it happen once a month?

[Joe Rogan]

Because it's so hard to get there. You'd probably get. I probably get there all the time if I played like a pro, like, eight hours a day. You probably get there once a week, but nobody stays there.

[Miranda Lambert]

But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dudes do drugs just so they can get there. They get hooked on pills. They get. Because they find that, like, maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's opiates, whatever it is. Like, some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to Drugs just to get to that spot from pool. From pool? Yeah. Dang. Oh, it's a nutty game.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, I've never It's ever dug into it like that, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these weird places in Kentucky. And weird pool hall, they streaming online on YouTube. They stream it on different websites.

[Miranda Lambert]

Dang.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's at the highest level. It is a crazy game. It's a crazy game.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that.

[Joe Rogan]

I know a dude is one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills because he. So he can't go, like overseas. He can't go anywhere. He can't travel without his pills. If he does, he won't play. Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's nuts.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it's a head game.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

This is my friend, Jeremy Jones. He won the US Open. One of the greatest players of all time. He's like, it is the mo. And he plays everything. He played baseball, like at a high level. He plays golf. He's like, it is the most mental game. And really, it's why nobody's good at it. That's why it never gets to. It never got to a place where it was like, really appreciated professionally.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you have to know how to play it to be. To understand what you're seeing.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To really see people play well, you have to know what. What's happening.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't. I'd never. I'm not like, good at any. I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them.

[Joe Rogan]

No sports at all.

[Miranda Lambert]

I didn't really. I mean, I grew up kind of playing softball here and there.

[Joe Rogan]

So is golf like the first.

[Miranda Lambert]

Golf is my first. And my mounted shooting, which is technically labeled a sport.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a sport for sure.

[Miranda Lambert]

So that's like. It's new to me. Like, sports are new because I just. I don't know, I started this at 17 and didn't. And just was laser focused. Like horse with blinders doing country music.

[Joe Rogan]

And then what is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17, just being thrust into a spotlight.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first. I was playing holes with no lights, but even shitholes.

[Joe Rogan]

There's some kind of light. You're on.

[Miranda Lambert]

The pool day light. I don't know. Like, I just. I don't know. I. I feel like that I didn't Have a choice. It picked me. Like, I. It's the only thing I've ever been good at. Everything is hard. Everything else is hard to me. But, like, music was the only thing that I was like. Like, I guess that's what I'm supposed to do because I'm actually good at it. Like, it comes naturally, though.

[Joe Rogan]

So many people have a thing like that, and they say, oh, that's just unrealistic. I can't do that.

[Miranda Lambert]

I didn't have a backup plan that helped. There was that I barely graduated high school. I was like, I don't want to waste my dad's money. That does help going to college. I was like, I have no backup plan. So, like, it really does help. The hunger that it creates is like a fire that you can't explain.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's not good advice. I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan because some people are not going to make it. And then they'll blame you. You know, you told me I shouldn't have a backup plan.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But I really think that for someone who's got some talent and some. A real desire to do that and you can stay the course, you could deal with the hard times. Like, you can't have a backup plan. You cannot, because that backup plan will rob your time.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the thing you have to think of. It robs your focus. It steals from your energy.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So it'll stop you from reaching your full potential. Your backup plan.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I mean, it didn't come from me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It came for me. Your backup plan.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I don't want to get blamed, but I. I just think that's, like, the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work, obviously, and determination, but just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like, I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to, like, stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like, everything was just hard for me.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But that's just because you're a great singer. Like, that's where your mind works. Like, it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at. Because some people. Some people don't. They just don't know why. Then they suck at school. They don't know why they can't pay attention. They don't know why they can't be at work on time. They don't know why. They're like, what's wrong with me? And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, oh, my God. I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons.

[Miranda Lambert]

Exactly. Here I am. I found me. Yeah, I think it's, I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to like, we know, like this is, this is what I'm supposed to do. This is what I'm going to chase no matter what it costs. And you know, that doesn't. I see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for.

[Joe Rogan]

And yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And you don't, and you don't know why. Like the. Why you said you don't know if it was one little factor of a period in their life or just not seen at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time. And I don't know, I feel, I feel very thankful for that. But I'm also like trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that. You know what I mean? So now I'm like, what can we do next? Let's find another hobby.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's a great approach though. Yeah, that's great. I mean it's recognizing you want to have some more stuff in your life that's interesting.

[Miranda Lambert]

I think that this come. I don't know, does that come with like wisdom? With age, Age wisdom and, and also feeling accomplished. I mean, I feel like I set my goals, hit them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

You know, and that feels like. Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Miranda Lambert]

Okay, I can take a breath.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's got to be a part of it, right? That's got to be a part of it. It's got to be a part that, you know, you can relax a little. Like, not that you. It, you know you will, you know, when it comes to, like, writing and singing and stuff, but at least you don't have to worry, like, am I gonna make it? Like, all right, you kind of made it. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And what's the point in me. The whole idea of making it is like, your life will be better and you'll have. Well, your life will be better if you have more fun.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like find some stuff you like to do.

[Miranda Lambert]

Exactly. You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I chase things that you can never conquer. That's the key.

[Miranda Lambert]

And no one told me that till I started playing golf. And now it's too late. Yeah, well, you can't ever win.

[Joe Rogan]

For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that. There's always gonna be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional.

[Miranda Lambert]

But you get really, really good at the things that you're pursuing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's probably a good.

[Miranda Lambert]

You spend time on that illness.

[Joe Rogan]

I think something wrong with me for sure. If I was born at a different time. I was born in the 60s. They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid and dope them up 100%.

[Miranda Lambert]

We 100% have it.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. I got it. Whatever that fucking is. It's a superpower. It's a superpower if you use it, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I think so, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because you can't sit in school. Like, find out if that kid's good at other stuff.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Find out if there's a thing that. Okay, maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching them math. Maybe they get bored real quick. Maybe they start talking to her friends. Whatever it Is they probably have a thing they're really good at, if they could find that thing. I bet they focus like a motherfucker when they're playing video games. Right? So what's that all about? You know, find the thing that that kid can lock into.

[Miranda Lambert]

100% agree.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is, like, you make people do things that are completely unnatural. You make people sit down when they're six in a chair while some lady who's making $35,000 a year doesn't like kids, is teach them some shit that she doesn't care about so there's no energy in the room, Everything. And then when they're out in the yard with their friends, they're having fun and they're laughing and rad. So they're like, this is bullshit. This class sucks. And they're talking to each other, and then they get in trouble for talking like, your child's a problem. Is the child really the problem? Seems like the child has a lot of energy. That's not a problem. Yeah, you just. You're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind, just turning you into a dull drone. Some worker that just is capable of, like, shutting themselves off all day and then showing up and then just doing some stuff that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were a kid.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was. Like, even when I was in school. It's kind of just like Lindell isd. Like, everybody does learns the same. Everybody goes to the same class. You know what I mean? And I just. Just. My mom says I learned differently. She tries to say it that way.

[Joe Rogan]

You learn differently.

[Miranda Lambert]

Differently. But looking back, it's the same. Like, you just described my entire, like, existence as a student.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's not just yours, it's mine. And I think it's most people's. You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was, well, science. I always enjoyed science, and I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. But even my art. I had a shitty art teacher in high school, so, like. Like, a failed artist who was, like, really negative. And he kind of. He kind of ruined art for me. Yeah. Like, not really, but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession. I was like, God, I have to be around people like this. Like, this guy's gross. He was just, like, so negative.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right? Bitter.

[Joe Rogan]

Just sad. Just a sad old dude. I always remember he, like. Like, he ate a basketball. Like, his whole body was skinny, but his belly was, you know, Now I know that guy probably drank himself to sleep every night.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, he was. You sad as an artist. Trapped in his own life, too. Like, they couldn't.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, also, it wasn't that good of an artist. That's part of the problem. Part of the problem was, like, he.

[Miranda Lambert]

Needed a backup plan.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I just don't think he was. He had a lot of fire in. In him when it came to anything. And I think the. The art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human. And he saw these young kids that were talented. I was pretty talented. I was like, the third best kid. There's a kid named Kevin that was like, a little better than me. And then a kid named John, who's the best guy in our class. And John told me, like. Like a year or two ago. We're emailing each other back and forth, and John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, okay, so it wasn't just me. That guy's a piece of. Because John was the best artist, like, I'd ever seen when I was a teenager. And we were all like, this guy's like, the art world. We're out. So none of us became artists.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's sad.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it was just this. That was what this guy wanted. Yeah, this guy wanted was to kill dreams.

[Miranda Lambert]

I feel like it's so. Especially in that, like, how old were.

[Joe Rogan]

You when I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year in high, but by then I was also traveling and fighting. By then I was. That was like, when I heavily got into martial arts. So by the time I was 17, like, my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's crazy. That's why I started making money playing music. At 17?

[Joe Rogan]

Your senior year of high school? Yeah. Wow. So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. And, I mean, I was also very big into church choir and stuff. And so I'm like, at the honky tonk till four in the morning because I was the house band. And then I'm, like, dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible. Like. Like, no wonder y' all kick me out of youth group. You. I probably deserved it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. Like, what'd you do last night?

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, my mom had to, like, go with me for the first, like, first, like, three months of my house gig because I couldn't get in until I was 18 and I was playing in the house band. So she'd be like, oh, good, you can drive and I can drink beer and listen To y' all play.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's funny. But. Yeah, but it's funny what you're talking about teachers. Like, I feel like there's some that just really. There's that turning point where you meet that one teacher or someone that. In your childhood or high school years, that turns things around for you. I got, like. When you're talking about our teacher, this teacher name is Caldwell, and she taught speech. And I was a terrified literal. The shyest kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities, and, like, I couldn't get a word in edgewise, so I just didn't talk until I was, like, 16, because they just wouldn't shut up. They're just constantly. Dad's telling little cop stories about his voice days. And my mom's a PI, so she's telling all her cool stories. And. And so I just was really shy. And my little brother was same. He's five years younger. And, like, we just weren't very, like, vocal. And I somehow got forgot. I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes. You know, like, my junior year of high school, and I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot, and it was speech honors and it was a debate class. And, like, that is not my vibe. I was panicking. My mom came up to the school. I was sobbing. I was like, I can't do this. I. I don't even speak hardly. And. But I was singing, like. Like here and there. I was singing in church. Like, I could do it if I was singing, but, like, still shyly singing, you know what I mean? Like, kind of in the background. And my mom was like, we gotta figure this out. The school was like, well, there's not really any room for her, any other classes and whatever. And it was an honors class. Like, this girl's, like, barely passing every class except choir.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, they just allowed you to enter into that class.

[Miranda Lambert]

They just somehow. And so then I think, looking back, like, Ms. Caldwell and the principal met with my mom, and she looked at Ms. Caldwell, and she was like, can she do this? And she was like, she needs to do this. And I had to debate, like, against these seniors and real smart kids, right? But it really brought me out of my shell. And so I'm thankful she wasn't, like, your art teacher. I'm thankful that Ms. Caldwell was like, no, I see potential in this girl. And if she's gonna. Because I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like, if she's gonna be A singer, she's gonna have to learn to be in front of people.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

And to, like, show her personality and come out of her shell. And it really, like, changed my world because then I started playing in bars, and I started to, like, come into my personality a little bit. Because you can't do this if you don't have. If you aren't confident and. And have confidence in who you are, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And the ability to be who you are in between songs.

[Miranda Lambert]

That. That is a really important part.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Then that's where people get to see you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. So I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Ms. Caldwell. Love you.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. Ms. Caldwell killed it.

[Miranda Lambert]

She killed it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's. That's beautiful to have a teacher like that and anyone can speak. The. The anxiety about, like, oh, I could never public speak. Like, yes, you could. You just. It's not impossible. Can you talk to me? Okay, then you could talk to a bunch of people. You can do it. You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out, but it's not like breathing underwater. You could totally do it.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's still scary to me. I mean, honestly, like, you're so good at it. Also, comedians like, that, to me, is the scariest of all the show biz that you could pick. Is that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's one of them.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's kind of what I like about it, though. I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it.

[Miranda Lambert]

So you'll be like, I'm.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I got into fighting. That's why I got into Com. It's like. It's. It's like, let's say if you want to be a lawyer, you know people are trying to be a lawyer, right? Oh, my God. You got to go to law school. You got to get a degree. You got to pass the bar, you got to get hired by some sort of a law firm, and either got to try cases and what are you doing? Like, a lot of people trying to be lawyers because there's a clear pathway. But if the pathway is, like, foggy, like, how do you be a professional fighter? Like, oh, I'll go that pathway. Like, no one's doing that. Like, the people that are doing that are all crazy. Like, those are my kind of people. Or if the pathway is how to be a comedian, like, oh, yeah, all these people are all misfits. This is perfect. These are my people. Like, this is perfect. I'll go do that. Like, this is like, I'm insured. Of being around, like minded, interesting people.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. Well, but I just think. I always think about how, like, the first time you step on the stage and you're, you know, you're showing all your cards, like, do you remember your first time? Well, but for a comedian, to me, it's like, songs. Songs are different. Like, yeah, you know, every. The first game you play, the. Whatever. Everybody has their first time that they're, like, learning their. Their ropes and how to get their feet under them. But. But that's just so raw. Like, here's my jokes. Here's my whole heart.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, here's.

[Miranda Lambert]

I hope you think this is funny. Like, I just. Every time I see it, I'm like, that is the hardest thing in show business, period.

[Joe Rogan]

First time I ever did it, I was still fighting, and I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like, literally eight hours a day for my whole life, for six years. And then I was more scared going on stage at an open mic night than I had ever been fighting, ever.

[Miranda Lambert]

That makes sense to me.

[Joe Rogan]

But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like, this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me. I was like, why am I so nervous?

[Miranda Lambert]

That makes sense to me. It's this. It's something you. Well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't even think I was good at it. My friends told me I was good at it, and they only told me I was good at it. It was like, we would go to tournaments, and everybody would be terrified. We'd all be, like, really nervous. And I would be the humor. It was Gallo's humor. So I would be the guy cracking jokes. I'd be the guy doing impressions of each other of different friends. Like, what they'd be like, having sex or whatever it was and making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff. And my friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to these days, he was a grown man, and I was like, 15 at the time. And to this day, he's still one of my best friends. But he told me, he's like, you should be a comedian. Like, you're funny. It's like. And I was like, you think I'm funny because you like me? I go, but other people can think I'm an asshole. Like, my sense of humor is fucked up. And he's like, you should just go to open mic night. And I did. And I went to an open mic Night. I was like, oh, everybody sucks. Oh, this is fine. I was like, you go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling. I thought everybody would be like, Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I'm gonna get killed up there. This is gonna be terrible. And then I realized, like, oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible, and then you try, and then you get better, and then you figure it out, and then, you know, it's like. But I just wasn't. I was just stunned by how scared I was more than anything.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage? Like, at a honky tonk or.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it was a.

[Joe Rogan]

How old were you?

[Miranda Lambert]

16. It was a True Value Country Showdown, the Rio, Palm Island, Longview, Texas. Wow. Yeah. And I was scared to death because I was, like, the shy kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too. You're gonna love this.

[Joe Rogan]

My dad's a cop and a songwriter.

[Miranda Lambert]

My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. And he had a band. His cop band on their side gig was all narcs, and they were called Contraband. They were a country band called Contraband. Can you even. That's a great name. It's the best.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a great. That's funny.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. But he wrote songs, so I was like, I'm gonna enter this contest. My mom was, like, shocked. I went. I was like, working in the yard. She's like, go pick the weeds. I'm like, mom, there's a ad on the radio for a contest called the True Value Country Showdown, and I want to enter it. She was like, like, what? You don't even talk. You don't. You're too shy. Like, are you kidding me? And I was like, no, I want to do it. And she was like, what, are you gonna sing it? You had to sing an original song, and I sang one of my dads.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. What was the song?

[Miranda Lambert]

It was called, Gosh, now I can't think of it. Too many song titles in my head. Way, way too many. Like, Dunbar's There, Here I Go Again. That's what the title is.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

And so, like, because I grew up on, like, forever, I thought my dad wrote, like, Mama Dried, because I grew up with him just playing John Pride and Haggard and David Allen Coe and Guy Clark, you know? So I started to realize, oh, some of these are, like, my dad's originals, and some of those are Merle Haggard. So they're not just dads. But, like, I got up there and I got. I didn't win, but I. It was like my first. Okay. Like. Like you were just saying it was my first. Like, okay, maybe I can. I can do this. Like, I. I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but, like, I. I'm not terrible. Like, I'm. I'm kind of equal with these guys. You know what I mean? We're all babies. Yeah. It was exciting and it was. I don't know, I'm. I think that's the first time I was like, okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me. That's not so hard to learn. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Do you believe in fate?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I do.

[Joe Rogan]

You probably should.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it worked out.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

That's my bias about fate. Like, if anybody should believe in fate, it's people like you or I. But I'm not sure. My bias is that I believe in it because it worked out.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, But I mean, if your life is shit and you're like, is this fate? Like, what did I do in a past life? Like, what kind of an asshole was I that everything just turned out so terrible, you know?

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, well, there's. There. I mean, I don't know. I feel like I also met my husband in, like, a crazy way, and so I can't help but believe in fate.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, there's something to it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I believe in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's something to it. As much as I. My mind want. My rational mind wants to ignore the possibility, like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all, do you really think it matters what you do, the really thing? But it does to you, right? It has a giant impact on your life, and everything matters. Just because there's black holes doesn't mean you're fucking your homework. Doesn't matter. You know? Everything matters, right? Your whole world. Everything matters. It's like, you can't think that things don't matter like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life when it seems to have a plan for everything.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason. All of it together. So I'm sure that there's something to fate, but it's just. My rational mind wants to go, that's just your ego. It's like, silly. You could have been bored in Somalia. You know, life could have sucked for you. You know, it's. It's hard to. Because fate's a Weird one. Like, you can't measure it, can't put it on a scale, but it seems to be real.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, well, it's real for us. So then it's real. I guess also, I'm like, your ceiling is giving me. Yeah, I love it. The little shooting stars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And you were like, fate is real. And it was like, boom. And I was like, yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

If I don't tell people, I didn't tell you. But sometimes people.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like, am I having flashbacks? Like, what's going on?

[Miranda Lambert]

It's awesome. That's what I love about West Texas. Something about like, it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere. Like, the stars are. They feel like. Like they're. We call it the Thunderdome. When we're. We, like, lay in the yard and it just feels like they're. You could reach up and grab them because it's so dark out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's magical. Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing that ruins the world.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problem with New York City. That's why everybody's so stood. They're like, so, like, stuck in their own world just because, like, they don't realize they're in space. You know, you don't get that break. Yeah, there's a break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else where you just like, look up and go, oh, yeah, okay. I'm taking all this way too seriously. Yeah, this is nuts. Like, just above us.

[Miranda Lambert]

It totally is. And also when you said that, it made me think of what we were talking about earlier, about wisdom and, like, I don't know, just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, okay, everything's okay. It's like, I just feel like I saw she started lost my train of thought. I have adhd.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Miranda Lambert]

Squirrel. What are you zenning over there? What are those?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these are Lucy's. They're breakers. You. Do you ever take these?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know if they are bad. I like zins.

[Joe Rogan]

You like? Here, try these. These. These are strong though. They're.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, like what? Sixes?

[Joe Rogan]

Nine.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, I'll pass out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, don't do it.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

This is strong. This one's not. Yeah, these are nines. Oh, you got some fours.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, chuck me a four, son.

[Miranda Lambert]

What are. What's the Lucy's. Why are they different?

[Joe Rogan]

They have like a little thing inside of them that you. You. They're called breakers. So it's like coffee flavored. You put in your mouth just like I did, huh? Yeah. And you crack that little sucker open.

[Miranda Lambert]

It gives you a little flavor, a little sugar. Almost like a little cupcake piece of.

[Joe Rogan]

Candy in there for you. Those are fours, right? So it's not bad. That's a nice.

[Miranda Lambert]

I get up and run out of here. I already couldn't concentrate because of the shooting.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw a dude online, he got a 50 milligram one from overseas.

[Miranda Lambert]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he tried it and you know he was violently ill. Lying on the ground like I.

[Miranda Lambert]

Why would you do that?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like so he could get some online cred just for the views. Did it for the great work. I mean, I guess I watched it. I wanted to see. I'm like you're gonna take a 50. Oh, you're dude. And he said, oh my God, it's like drinking battery acid. And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it. It's like, I really up. I made a giant mistake because it's so much nicotine, 50 grams.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's crazy, but you're so like, so into health and take such good care of yourself and I. What is the bit? What, like, why I just tell people, oh, they're good for you. Have one.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Miranda Lambert]

What do you think? Like, tell me your opinion of these. There's craze.

[Joe Rogan]

Nicotine is not bad for you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

The delivery method is what's bad for you. And the delivery method with cigarettes in particular, with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them that's even worse. Like the regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not as bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician who was on here, was explaining to us, like why regular cigarettes are not as bad. But they're still, it's still not good for you to be smoking in your lungs. But nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine itself actually is a nootropic, so which means it's cognitively enhancing. So nootropics are like vitamins that help brain function. And there's a bunch of them. Like we have some stuff called Alpha Brain. That's great.

[Miranda Lambert]

I've seen that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of nootropic, but there are, there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your verbal. Verbal memory, so your ability to recall words, they can enhance peak alpha flow state. Like they've done like real. They've done two double blind placebo controlled studies at the Boston center for Memory with Alpha Brain. It shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past like nine months before they did this. This is pretty impressive. So nicotine does that too. Nicotine enhances your memory, enhances brain function, enhances. It stimulates you. So there's a lot of benefits to nicotine as us. But the problem is like, how do you take it? How are you taking your nicotine? You know, probably one of the best ways, maybe gum, you know, and. Yeah, these things.

[Miranda Lambert]

People are wearing patches now and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy people. That's Ron White. He wears a goddamn patch. What are you doing, Ron? I got a patch on and I'm smoking. He's got a cigar. He's got a Zen animal but he's such an animal. But I think there's. There's real benefit. I know a guy who puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes.

[Miranda Lambert]

That makes sense to me. Like, I feel like because all the songwriters are, you know, right now, everybody in Nashville's sitting, and I'm like, I'll try one. And it, like, really does give you a little stimulant. Yeah. And also have a lot of words in my head. I need to remember words, and I also need to write new words. So anything to help with that?

[Joe Rogan]

Anything you want. If you want help with memory, Alpha Brain is a really good one.

[Miranda Lambert]

I want to try that. That's a good one. I just think, like, at some point, too, when you're tired, you know, it just feels like you. Like you can't. I mean, you just saw me lose my train of thought. It's like, I don't want to be on, like, a bunch of Adderall and stuff. I want to be on. I want to find a different method to, like, have my brain functioning at the best it can.

[Joe Rogan]

These are addictive, though. And I gotta say, different people have different levels of, like, how addicted they get with these. Like, some people can't not have them. I went on vacation. I said, I'm gonna go on vacation and not bring in and see what happens, see if I freak out just to see. And nothing. Zero. Nothing. It was like I kind of missed them maybe for a day or two. Like, wanted one, didn't have any. And then after, like, three days, I was like, oh, this is fine.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not. It's not like a physical, like, oh, my God, I'm Jones.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's not like smoking.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm a shaken. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But I've. I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of.

[Miranda Lambert]

The vapes. Like, that's just. I don't want heat on my voice either, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is if you buy them. Ones that are, like, in the gas station, like, who knows where those are?

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, with the ones that heat up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, the crazy ones.

[Miranda Lambert]

I like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Adam Curry. Do you know Adam Curry is. He's the first podcaster. He used to be the MTV dj.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy with beautiful hair.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Good. Good friend of mine. He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes, those big old crazy ones where you're blowing.

[Miranda Lambert]

And it makes, like, noise.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like kind of like a power bar on the side of it. It's so ridiculous. And he blows his giant. But it's all like, he. He fills it with natural oil. So it's air quotes. Healthy air quotes. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's what they. That's what people say. They smoke American spirits.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's healthy. Come on. There's an Indian on there.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

How come they get away with that? Are American spirits owned by Native Americans? No. So how the fuck do they have a Native American on there? Not catch any slack. They do, right? Don't. They haven't.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's a badass package.

[Joe Rogan]

Trouble in the past for stuff. So did they? I'm not. I'm not getting into it. Oh, getting into tobacco company problems.

[Miranda Lambert]

He's like. And pivot.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see that movie the Insider with Russell Crowe?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't think so.

[Joe Rogan]

It's about a guy who works for a tobacco company that is explaining. He was a chemist, and he was explaining how they added all these different things to make it more addictive. And they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that information getting out. He's the Insider. It's kind of crazy movie and based on a true story.

[Miranda Lambert]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They. They put a bunch of. In cigarettes to try to get you hooked.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, then they do it. I mean. Yeah, it works, people. It's the hardest one. I feel like it's the most. You hear people talking about trying to quit that and drinking. To me, like. You know what I mean? Just on the daily. Like, I'm in a band, so everybody's like, oh, I quit now. They're all like, you got a Zen? You got a Zen? Because it's just highly addictive. I guess it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It is, but it's. It's. People want something. They just want something to take them out of whatever state they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. Like everybody I know. That's an alcoholic synonymous. They all smoke or drink tons of coffee. It's either or both.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Because they just want to do something. Get me something's not gonna make me suck dick for bus fare, but I'm. At least get a little bit of something different than regular life. I don't want to be homeless. I don't want to be cracked out. But, yeah, give me something. Yeah, just give me a little something. Take me away from wherever I am right now.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, not that far. Away. Just a little bit away.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a little next door. Let me go next door and hide.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm gonna start saying that when I'm like, kevin's in. Can I go? I need to go next door.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm gonna go next. Do little bit. I don't want to go too far away. I can hear everybody.

[Miranda Lambert]

Am I supposed to, like, break this little candy thing?

[Joe Rogan]

I do? Yeah, I break it right away. It is cracked down on that little sucker.

[Miranda Lambert]

What's in there?

[Joe Rogan]

Probably candy. Ooh, nice, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

That's like a little burst of birth.

[Joe Rogan]

Of flavor next door. I like those. I like those. My buddy Duncan found out that his blood sugar goes up when he vapes because he was buying those gas station vapes. And, you know, he got terrible. He got type 2 diabetes because he was eating too much sugar. He's okay. Don't worry. But he realized because he monitors his blood glucose that, like, when he was vaping, his blood was going through the refuge. Okay, why do you think that is? Like, why do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the do you think's in there, bro? You're eating candy all day. Like, you're vaping on sugar.

[Miranda Lambert]

Sugar oils.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, it has to be. Yeah, it has to be. I mean, if it's like, grape flavored or whatever the hell it is, it's like, there's some. Also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those.

[Miranda Lambert]

Damn stinks.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a video on Tick Tock of these dudes testing them. Some. Some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory.

[Miranda Lambert]

What's gonna happen to him?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what's gonna happen to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on. On. Nobody cleans those things off. You just get them at the gas station and stick it right in your mouth.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's like a karaoke mic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's nasty.

[Joe Rogan]

So nasty.

[Miranda Lambert]

Okay, I'm spitting this out. Hold the pause. Pause.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you get rid of it. It's like a buzz.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, like a little buzz.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a little.

[Miranda Lambert]

Next.

[Joe Rogan]

You went next door.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Excuse me. I'm going next door.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So anyway, nicotine vapes. Not. I don't think they're good for you folks. Sorry. Because people thought they were healthier for you than cigarettes, but it turns out, like, no, not only they are here. Here's a look. He's testing all of them. All those cute Little pink ones. He's got to make sure they all work. By the way, how hooked is that guy? That guy Awful fucking hooked. Where is this taking place? Does it say in the. That guy has to test all of them. I would like to see, like, with that guy's look. That guy looks like he's 15 years old. Did you see the bottom? No. Seven to 8,000 tests per day.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's terrible, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Test his lungs because there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting heard of that. The thing about these things is that they're very, very addictive. They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method. Like, you just. And the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want. The first vape of the day. I would take a vape and like, this is wonderful. Like, this feeling is wonderful. It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day. The rest of the day, you're sucking on this thing. Go.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Nope, nothing. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to have no nicotine in your system. And then you have that one hit. It's like, welcome me into your life.

[Miranda Lambert]

Do you get, like. Do these people get, like, that feeling from those patches?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think so. I think the patch just make you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like a little Adderall.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's like, I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they? Do they have an Adderall patch? No. Adderall is a sketchy one. I had someone here the other day was telling me they were doing Adderall right before I want. I did an Adderall just so I'm ready.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, it's like, it's a writing. It's very helpful for writing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's like, you don't want to have. I don't want to need it. So that's why I was like, what brain things can I take?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

What are Lucy's.

[Joe Rogan]

What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch. There it is.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, sure are.

[Joe Rogan]

ADHD treatment that lets you control your time your way. They always say that, like, look, there's a woman who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on, her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a control posture. Look at her posture. I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control.

[Miranda Lambert]

Please, Lord, no.

[Joe Rogan]

You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug so you could focus.

[Miranda Lambert]

I definitely don't want a patch of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no, thanks. I don't need it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe somebody needs it. I don't want to judge, but the reality is that stuff, the amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're passing them out like candy.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

My daughter's in high school, and a bunch of kids in high school have air quotes. Adhd. And because of adhd, they get Adderall. And then also they get more time on tests because they got adhd. They can't focus, so they're fucking on speed. Yeah. So because it's very competitive, parents want to get their kids into colleges. They're. They're, you know, getting their kids. Kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever. They're probably already hooked on too, because a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it. And you can tell those folks, because they come to the parent teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up. And they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh, my God. They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did. Oh, my God. I love that episode that you did with the guy about climate. Your eyes, they're so cracked out. They're so obviously cracked out. And there's a lot of people out there just running around, cracked out. But they feel like they got it from the doctor. The doctor gave me this. I'll tell you, 30 milligrams. And I'm just a better person. I'm just better about all tasks.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm actually. I like, talk to that person daily. Like, I feel like those people are everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

They're everywhere.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we looked it up. Use Perplexity, which is one of our sponsors, and find out how many prescriptions for Adderall they wrote in. Let's say 20, 24. Let's take a guess. How many do you.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, I could not even ballpark that.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at least. It's probably a lot more, but I'm going conservative and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024. What do you want? You want to guess? Yeah, take a guess.

[Miranda Lambert]

41, 51.

[Joe Rogan]

You're probably closer. I bet it's like 9 90. I bet it's.

[Miranda Lambert]

I hope it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet it is because it's like Individual people refilling prescriptions. You know, I don't think it's like 90 million patients, but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists. I feel like most people that are writing things. Yeah, I bet that in. What is it? Okay, how many Adderall prescriptions were written in 2024? According to Plexi, 45 million Adderall prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we were both in the middle.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Would you go 51? Yeah, I said 40. Commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy. This number follows several years of notable growth. Huh.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Or more people need it.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's up since 2019. Look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Notable growth data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the COVID 19 pandemic and shortages affected hostile top. Well, 2019, it was only 35. Interesting. So it's up 10 million. Whoo. That's crazy. 41.4 million in 2021 and 45 million by 2023. I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally, too. Like, what's that number? Okay, let's. That's because there was that shortage, Right. They've covered, recovered from it. Well, also, once the shortage started, people got dealers. Sure.

[Miranda Lambert]

But people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a very different thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

I've heard. I've heard a lot about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Micro dosing mushrooms, that's a very different thing than Adderall.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like the opposite of Adderall.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Even if it's for focus.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Miranda Lambert]

Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm sure it'll help you focus is on something. Yeah. But you gotta be. You gotta mind your p's and q's when it comes to your dosages. Also, like, where you get scary for.

[Miranda Lambert]

Me, like, I'm like, where is it from? Like, did you just go to the cow pasture? Because that's like, what teenagers did when I heard they were doing mushrooms. Like, they're like cow tipping and going. I mean, I'm from East Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin. They found them on cow poop. Yeah, but the thing about that, though, is, like, you got to get them from somebody who knows what they're doing, because they're all different. And you can get some that are crazy strong. Like, there's some out there that'll knock you into another universe. So what do you do? Are you just eating a cap? Are you paying attention to the. Are you getting them in pill form? Who are you getting them from? Like, I have a friend who.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're all my questions, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Get some from a friend. And I was like, it's a good guy. Who's the guy that you're not seeing? These things get packaged. Get the out of here.

[Miranda Lambert]

Little. Little Sadie.

[Joe Rogan]

Super sketch. Super sketch.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they all. It's like marijuana edibles. Before the legality in California, when it was medical, they had been. It was crazy because now they. They. Because of the regulations in California, I think the most they can make them is 10 milligrams, which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that, when it was medical, like, it became medical. In the 90s, they would make 500 milligram Chiba chews these. These things that, like, they're 500 milligrams, which is insane. It puts you in another dimension.

[Miranda Lambert]

I never even heard of that.

[Joe Rogan]

They're so strong. And my friend Joey, who's a real demon Joey, used to take the wrapper off of 25 milligram ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, he throw a real demon.

[Joe Rogan]

And he would just laugh because he can. He can tolerate insane doses. So he would give people, like, preposterous amounts.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have a songwriter friend, and I love her dearly, but whatever she says, do this. I'm like, do a quarter of that, whatever that is to the public. Do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people have ridiculous tolerances for marijuana.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I mean, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. For anything.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm just over here taking a Lucy from a random dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's only 4 milligrams minor. It wasn't that bad, right? I would never. Like the nine. I would have told you. Like, that's like, a lot quick. It's a lot. Yeah. I have 12s.

[Miranda Lambert]

What did you use those for? Real busy days.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't like them. They jolt me too much. But I have them. This is just because Lucy sent them to me. But I think the right dose is three or four. That's right. It's just a little pick me up. Just a little.

[Miranda Lambert]

Not the cracked out. Not the cracked out Soccer mom.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Not the cracked out. Not Adderall. I've never tried Adderall. I'm scared of it. I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it. Because I'm like, I need to know what everybody's fussing about. Because everybody I know that's tried it is like, don't try it. You'll love it.

[Miranda Lambert]

You'll love it.

[Joe Rogan]

You'll fucking love it.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is focus. I mean, it is. It really hones. Hones in.

[Joe Rogan]

I have a buddy of mine, and his wife told him to stop because he was snorting it because he was writing.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, that's the best way to get it. Real quick. Quick. And he was like. To his wife, he's like, why do you care how I do it? She's like, you're snorting drugs while the kids are asleep.

[Miranda Lambert]

He's like, okay, yeah, it's a little far, dude. Slow your roll.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not an addict, though. He just. He just felt like.

[Miranda Lambert]

He's not an addict, though. He's not an addict.

[Joe Rogan]

He felt like he had to snort to really get the most out of it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Quickly. Everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I think if you take it as a pill, it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in. And he didn't have an hour.

[Miranda Lambert]

So he's like, I have a deadline.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Does your friend that disappears, does he, like, have. He doesn't have phone. No. Digital.

[Joe Rogan]

No Nothing.

[Miranda Lambert]

I wonder if that digital detox is, like, one of the hardest ones.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like it's got to be the hardest.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I've done social media detoxes for multiple days, and you genuinely feel better, and then you go, why am I doing this to myself? Or I don't do this.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know all the time something that's annoying. If I can just say it, is that, like, when people do take a break from social media, that's, like, all they tell you about the whole time. Well, I'm on a break from social media. I'm like, can you be on a break with. Without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. They have to tell you how virtuous they are. I am actually gonna break social media, unlike you.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm like, cool, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

You. You little addict. Scrolling through cat videos.

[Miranda Lambert]

Scrolling. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of doom scrolling. Yeah. It's like people who do yoga, they can't shut the fuck up about it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Or people with, like, a special. Special. Like a special diet. Like, oh, yeah, you're hearing about it. You're hearing about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Vegans are the worst.

[Miranda Lambert]

You're gonna hear about it.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the absolute worst. Like, no one has ever met a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan. It doesn't happen. They always tell you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Never. Not one.

[Joe Rogan]

They work it into a conversation.

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[Miranda Lambert]

It's like just you can. You can not eat meat and not tell anyone.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, just do it as a spiritual growth. Like.

[Miranda Lambert]

Just like it's your little secret with yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, your little secret with yourself is you're not on social media.

[Miranda Lambert]

So don't tell me.

[Joe Rogan]

My favorite is people who are on social media Making fun of people that on social media. Because there's a lot of like really not self aware people. They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media. Like, that's rich.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like that is like, it overwhelms me, honestly. Like I'm trying to. You can't keep up with it. So I just try. I don't try to keep up with it. But like I was just talking on the way here, I was like, maybe I need to get on Tick Tock. Like there's a lot of music on Tick Tock. Like there's a lot of musicians and like we have a label now called Big Loud Texas. Our office is in Austin and I'm like, I know there's amazing talent on there. And one of our flagship artists, Dylan Gossett, posted something awesome on there and now he's out there crushing it. So I feel like I'm missing out. But then I'm like, do I need one more thing? Like, I don't know, it's like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have an assistant battle?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. And I have a great management team.

[Joe Rogan]

This is great. Get your assistant on TikTok and then tell them to let you know if anything's cool and show it to you.

[Miranda Lambert]

You. She did that. And we signed a guy. His name's Alex Crawford.

[Joe Rogan]

You got it.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's what happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect. That way you don't have to be on it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So you could avoid it. And she'll be a net that catches all the good fish.

[Miranda Lambert]

Cameron, it's all you, girl.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's all you, girl. So like she'll catch the good fish. You don't have to go by the river. Just stay off that Tik Tock river.

[Miranda Lambert]

I needed. I need that talk today. Cuz we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today.

[Joe Rogan]

Cuz it's a raging.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm scared.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you should be scared.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm like, I'm already like, like, oh, everything's just a lot of information all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

I know for me it's like a show of force when I leave my phone on the nightstand, when I go to the bathroom. It's like I'm gonna take a. Without my phone.

[Miranda Lambert]

Do you tell everybody?

[Joe Rogan]

Nope.

[Miranda Lambert]

See?

[Joe Rogan]

Just told you.

[Miranda Lambert]

See good.

[Joe Rogan]

Just told you.

[Miranda Lambert]

See, you're not one of those. You're not like, I'm on a social media break.

[Joe Rogan]

No. My wife has like an app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media. Like, if you want to go on social media, you have to go into the app, enter a password and open put everything up.

[Miranda Lambert]

I think that's so smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. And she, she showed me the other day, it was like 90 hours. I was like, that must feel so good. She's like, you feel different, you feel different. It's not good for you, bad for everybody.

[Miranda Lambert]

No, but we need it. But we. For some things. Yeah, I get it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great for artists, it's great to promote your work. It's great for comedians to put clips up. It's great for musicians to put songs out there. It's great. It is great in a lot of ways. I'm so happy it exists. This.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started, like, wow. Like, I did it old school, like boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door, saying, can I play a song? Like, and now.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes. Like, have you ever seen Loretta Lynn's life story? Have you ever seen Coal Miner's Daughter? Yes, that, like me and my mom with baloney sandwich in my mom's Ford Expedition, like driving around all over Texas, me going, I'm a singer songwriter. Like, and now I'm like, dang. I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now because.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I think you probably develop so much character doing it the way you did it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I'm thankful for that. But I'm also like, well, damn, these kids. They just post something like 100 million people see it in a night. Like, what's happening?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the problem with that is, like, sometimes people get famed, they're not really ready for yet. And I think 100% doing what you did and going to bars and, and eventually becoming famous. After years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself. That is so much better than being like a 20 year old kid, like, sits around and comes up with a song like, look at Oliver Anthony. All right. Oliver Anthony's a good friend of mine. Was. He was selling farm equipment. He makes that Rich man of north of Richmond song and all of a sudden he's a giant, so superstar.

[Miranda Lambert]

And he's like, that's jolting.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I had a phone call with him while it was going down, you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Know, Was he just like, help? Like, I mean, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, people are offering me money. I go, don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody. I go, you don't need anybody. You already did it, right. You've got talent and you're already famous, right. You just made a giant hit song. Don't give away, any of you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't sell it. You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I got a strike while the iron sod. I'm like, fuck those people. They don't know what they're talking about. You could do this again. You can do this again and again and again. Now that you already did it, it's gonna be way easier the second time because everybody's gonna be waiting to see what you say next.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I know. And that's like also nobody. You can't learn. It's like you, you do the journey in reverse.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he did. The first show he ever did was a giant sold out. The first time he ever performed live, giant sold out show when he was already famous.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's so mind boggling. I can't even like, put it into words because I'm thinking like, how you get your chops and how you. You did it fight by fight, you did it stage by stage. When doing comedy, like, it just happened so fast and it's like. And then you still have to pay the dues, but it's just backwards. It's like.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is though, he paid the dues as a regular blue collar human being.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, he did for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's where he developed his character so that when it all came, he's like, oh my God, I just stepped into a magic story.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like he had a regular story.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And then all of a sudden the genie came along and abracadabra. The Internet and the Internet just put that song out there and it was like, holy shit, this song's great. And all sudden he's hugely famous, but he had character for someone that being.

[Miranda Lambert]

A real person, 17, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It scares me. I'm just like, we still got to go do the work now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Still got to start developing who you are now. Even though the world already knows who they think you are.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's almost impossible if you start too young. Like we were talking about that with Michael Jackson the other day. That like, no one can teach you how to do that. And no one survives that. Everybody who's famous when they're a little kid, they're all up. No one. No one gets it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Does it? Comes with, oh, really high cost. You can see it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I always make the analogy that's like you're making cement but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like if you don't put enough water in or you don't put enough sand in, that cement sucks. It's always going to be up. And that's what it's like when you're a kid and you get famous. Like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right. I think that, like, that's why I'm glad I, you know, I didn't go to college, but I got to have the learning times of just being 17, 18, 19, 20, like just learning life, like while playing music. But it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere. It wasn't in front of people. You know what I mean? And you get to build your character. You get to figure out who you are. And that's why I think the down by the river and the TikTok River. I've learned two things. I'm going to refer to it as down by the river and I need to go next door.

[Joe Rogan]

The Tick Tock River. Yeah, it's a raging river too. That's a scary ass river. That river never stops. It never stops.

[Miranda Lambert]

Which we're thankful for it too, by the way. Like I, I found some great talent and learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs, you know. Yeah, there's the good things about it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's great things. It's. It's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with that we've never figured out how to. There's no real like precedent on how to navigate this, especially as a child. No children ever grew up with it before. Well, these are the first children that are growing up with it.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And no one can tell them how to do it. Right. We can just observe what's going wrong with it. Yeah, that's real sketchy. Yeah, it's, it's real weird. And people say to me, like, do you let your kids on social media? I'm like, yes, because they have to be able to handle it and they have to know what it is. But don't. But also don't do it. One of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone. She never goes on social media. Social media anymore.

[Miranda Lambert]

How old is she?

[Joe Rogan]

She's 15. So she stays off of it. And she, she'll watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos and stuff like that. But like social media, she's like, it just doesn't. I don't like it. It's not good for you. And it gets in the way of school work and it gets in the way of stuff she's doing, so she stays off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15, I'd be. I'm so dumb.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, no, I don't believe that for a second.

[Joe Rogan]

Tick tocking all day, I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos. Try to get attention. That's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form they're trying to get better at. Like, if you make a great song and you're 17 years old and it goes viral, at least you're doing a thing. Like, you're doing an art thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not just trying to get attention. And there's. There's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing. They're just trying to get attention. If you ask young kids, like, what do you want to do when you grow older? When you. When you grow up? A lot of them, like a giant percentage of them just want to be famous.

[Miranda Lambert]

I was about to say that, Like, I saw that whatever that study was and I read about it and it was like. But famous for what? Like, you just want to be famous. But what. What skill or what. What trade or what? Like, what are you?

[Joe Rogan]

Just famous. Why Kim Kardashian?

[Miranda Lambert]

Why in the world? Like, that sounds awful.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you, and that's a person. That's an important person. You know, a lot of people just want to be an important person. They want to be a person with the nice stuff. Like, look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this. And then they just want to be an important person. Person. And the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous. Yeah, Like, Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous people alive. She doesn't do anything. It's not like a thing. Like, we could point to, oh, she's like the best. She's the best painter. She's the best singer. Nope, Nothing. Zero, zero things. Super famous. Worth a billion dollars. And then kids are like, that's what I want to do. Especially if they're dumb. And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb. And those people never thought they would ever be famous before. But now you can be dumb and famous.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, that's a statement.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything. Like maybe you'd be dumb, but you're like the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great. And you're famous, but no, you're dumb and you're famous and you don't do anything. You're not good at a thing. And you're. You're saying just.

[Miranda Lambert]

There's no fulfillment in that.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't.

[Miranda Lambert]

There can't be.

[Joe Rogan]

There's not.

[Miranda Lambert]

Even if you're not great at the thing or a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it, but you are working on it or whatever, there's fulfillment in that. There's. Yeah, there's like an accomplishment. Like, I paint folk chickens and I'm terrible at it.

[Joe Rogan]

You what?

[Miranda Lambert]

A little. Just folk art. Chickens. I don't even know why. I have no idea why. And they're not good at all.

[Joe Rogan]

You make paintings of chickens?

[Miranda Lambert]

Paint them on little canvases.

[Joe Rogan]

What's a folk chicken?

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I just call it folk art because it's bad. And when I look up folk art, I'm like, oh, I can do that. Like, some folk art's amazing. But I look up like folk art for beginners and I like, get inspired. I'll be like, oh, I could. I could do that.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never heard that genre before.

[Miranda Lambert]

Look it up. It's kind of. It's anything and everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, will you please look up folk art? What is the definition of folk art?

[Miranda Lambert]

That kind of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, like, just reflect the cultural life of community associated with. With fields of folklore and cultural heritage.

[Miranda Lambert]

I. Huh.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a 19th century concept.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know anything about it. I just am drawn to it cuz I think it's cute and fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have any of your stuff online?

[Miranda Lambert]

No, it's like in my backpack. I'm not going to show anybody. This is like. I painted one for my mom. She has to hang it up still. Mom. She put it in her kitchen.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't know that that was a. Show me some more of those images. I didn't know that that was a genre. Genre. I had no idea that was a thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

But I'm terrible at it and I don't know anything about it. And I would like to learn. I want to take some like, I look up like YouTube classes or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's like, keep it on there. So it's like not realistic folk art chicken. Okay, there's a folk art chicken. Let's see.

[Miranda Lambert]

Look, they're so cute. Look how cute they are. Okay, like that one. Like that little chunky one in the middle. The black.

[Joe Rogan]

How about the whimsical red hen above your.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, that's like, I'm only as good as. Like, go back. That one? Yeah, that's about.

[Joe Rogan]

See that one that says whimsical red hen right there above your cur.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, she's cute.

[Joe Rogan]

Above your cursor.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, click on that.

[Miranda Lambert]

See, I could like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, but that one.

[Miranda Lambert]

But you like. And I'll go to, like, YouTubes of teaching me all that to say I'm trying something.

[Joe Rogan]

You. Well, I think it's great you're doing different things. Boy, these. Some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one?

[Miranda Lambert]

Hey, it's art.

[Joe Rogan]

If I start speak ill of that chicken like that. I was like, that chicken. That's. That's a.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's what I look like for real.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a drone.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're so bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Put in my yard by China.

[Miranda Lambert]

My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up. He's like, are you talking about your soup? Folk art chicken. So I'll just be in there. He's like, cooking, and I'm just like. I'm painting my chickens right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Always chickens.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know why. I have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

It's easy. That's why. Fate.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's fate.

[Joe Rogan]

You're designed to be the greatest folk art song.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's my next song. Folk art fate of all time.

[Joe Rogan]

Folk art fate. Imagine if that's what it is. Like, there's something compelling you to tell the world about chicken folk art.

[Miranda Lambert]

I guess so.

[Joe Rogan]

But why, Chick, do you have chickens?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I do have chickens.

[Joe Rogan]

I have chickens.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love chickens.

[Joe Rogan]

Chickens are great, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

They're awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

They're really cute. The ladies I go in the yard.

[Miranda Lambert]

That'S why I call them, I say, hey, ladies. I give them all the scraps. They love everything from the table. Like, any leftovers. It's funny to watch them, though, because they're, like, picky. Like, the other day, I thought they would eat, like, leftover breakfast casserole. Wouldn't touch it, really. But they were all up. They didn't eat the biscuits. Chickens sound like biscuits.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe they know that breakfast casserole is eggs. And like, Jesus Christ, this lady's nuts. She's trying to turn us into cannibals.

[Miranda Lambert]

Ridiculous. Maybe it's like, oh, no, what have I done to my ladies?

[Joe Rogan]

It might be, like a natural reaction to them. I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have you ever seen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is how I found out I used to have a house in California. That my wife, she changed our back fence. It was a wrought iron fence, and she changed it to glass. And when she did, she. She signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks. And they kept slamming into that fucking glass. And, like, three of them died in our yard. And one of them got KO'd but survived. And I was on the road, and she had told me about it, and they'd taken this. This hawk and they had put it in a box. And when I got back, we got them what's called pinkies. And what pinkies are, are these little baby mice that have. They feed them to lizards and snakes. Like, that's what they're for. Like, when you go to the pet store, they sell you these things. They're not weaned from their mother, and you feed them the snakes. I know it's dark. So they've. They bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk these little baby mice, and it ate all of them except one. And my daughters were very young at the time, and they're like, we want to keep that mouse. We want to raise it. I'm like, honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like, it's not weaned from its mother. It won't survive. I go. I'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it. I put this thing down, and these chickens attacked like they were raptors from Jurassic Park. One chicken grabbed it, and they all chased her around. They were stealing it, pulling it out of her mouth. It is the. They are so ferocious. Like, you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouth.

[Miranda Lambert]

Never heard this in my life.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna show you a video. And this video. There's a bunch of videos of cats with mice. So. So this is a mouse. And why. Look at these chickens. They just kill this mouse. And look, they all attack each other, trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken.

[Miranda Lambert]

Did they eat it?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah, they devour it. So there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet. So see, there's one with a cat. So the cat is playing with the mouse. Like, you know, cats don't kill it. They want to play. And this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, I have never heard this my life.

[Joe Rogan]

So look, the cat has a mouse, and chicken's like, give me that. This. Look. It's got a mouse, and the cat's like, jesus Christ, you guys are psychos.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, who knew?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, because they're dinosaurs. That's who they are. They're just dinosaurs that are really small, that survive the impact of the asteroid.

[Miranda Lambert]

I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens. I'm called to paint. My fault. Chickens.

[Joe Rogan]

You just don't realize how ruthless they are.

[Miranda Lambert]

I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing. I'm country as a pumpkin, and, like, I've never heard this.

[Joe Rogan]

They destroy mice. Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Dang.

[Joe Rogan]

Destroy them. They love them. They tear them apart.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I'm not gonna go do that, but I'm glad I know that now.

[Joe Rogan]

Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once. They. We had a big chicken coop, and a mouse went in there, and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse off.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, then my breakfast casserole is not offensive to them, eating their own babies. They're not. We don't have a rooster.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I know, but they don't know that. You know, they brood sometimes.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know. I just let them sometimes. And I'm like, do you know? Well, I just. Like, sometimes they look at me like, let me just sit on this. Like. Like, okay, you can have it. That's your egg now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out. They get real. It makes you sad. It's like they want to be a mommy.

[Miranda Lambert]

They do. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't let them. We had a rooster once, but he did not last.

[Miranda Lambert]

I do not enjoy having roosters. They're mean.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You attack my wife, and she's like, we're done.

[Miranda Lambert]

Attack me. I'm out. Rooster.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're. They're.

[Miranda Lambert]

And.

[Joe Rogan]

But they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hens. Like, they don't know that you're okay. They just think this big thing is moving around their hens like this giant person.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're also mean to the hint. Real mean. Brutal. Ripping their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're nasty. They're.

[Miranda Lambert]

How many do y' all have chickens?

[Joe Rogan]

We have 15. 15 or 16.

[Miranda Lambert]

Y' all name them?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. I don't name them, but my daughter and my wife names them. But the rooster, he. We only let him got. He got to maturity, and then we gave him to a friend. We're like, this motherfucker can't. I was gonna kill him.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're mean.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he attacked me. I went into the. I was like, you just gotta like show him who's boss. He's like, no, no, I'll attack you too.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, exactly, attack me.

[Joe Rogan]

And I was like, I will fucking kill you. And so to avoid killing him, him, I gave him away because I was totally ready to kill him. Cuz when I go in there, he'd face off against me and just leap.

[Miranda Lambert]

At me and me attack me too. And dad dealt with it. I don't know what happened to him, but dad dealt with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Soup turned him into soup. Yeah, that's the thing about roosters too, I guess. You can't like just outright eat them, they're really tough. So if you do kill them, you gotta like either slow cook them or turn them into soup.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, well, we, we probably did. He didn't tell me.

[Joe Rogan]

I had a landscaper back when I lived in LA who used to fight chickens. And he took me over his place.

[Miranda Lambert]

Hate that.

[Joe Rogan]

It was crazy.

[Miranda Lambert]

I hate it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he had like 100, 100 roosters.

[Miranda Lambert]

We have done boxers. M Nation has done. We're not just, we don't just help dogs, we help all animals. But dogs are focused. But like we've helped break up some chicken rings.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of crazy that it's still, still around.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's awful. There's some, it's always out. Like we have a farm in Tennessee and they're. There's a whole, this is whole farm like down the road and it's. They keep them in tiny cages. I just hate it. And every time we report them, every time they just pay the fine. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a part of the culture that's the problem. And they all gamble on it. I know he was Mexican and you know, from Mexico and he had all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in like you might as well have been in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything was in Spanish. And when I went over his place, it's like his buddy. We went over his buddy's place, his buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit where they would take the roosters. Yeah. And they put spurs on them.

[Miranda Lambert]

So they put so terrible, I mean.

[Joe Rogan]

Knives on their claws.

[Miranda Lambert]

We, we try to like, we got to be part of like some of the. But when you confiscate like that many mean. Yeah. I mean, you can't.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

Reintroduce them into the world, like, Right. You know what I mean? They're taught to be Mean, they're bred for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they'll bread. They'll breed champion roosters from champion. Other roosters.

[Miranda Lambert]

Let's just stick to our little backyard hens. How about that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's just. It's a weird thing because, like, their. Their culture has been they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, he was making it seem like it was no big deal. And it was like, to them was their gambling recreation.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Gather around and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight.

[Miranda Lambert]

I hate it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. To me, it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. Because pit bulls are the. They're. Look, they're very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive and they often don't. They confuse children with other animals. They don't. But as pets, they are the most loyal, loving, sweetest kind. They love you to death. They love you so much. But there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight. And that part of our culture, that part of society, like the. The underground dog fighting part is like, how can you do that to a dog? Like, how can you do that to the best animals?

[Miranda Lambert]

Some of the earth is what it is. I feel like I have some friends that are huge into pitbull rescue, and when they're either rehabilitated or just. They get a bad rap period. Right. Like. Like, say any. Any metro shelter you go to, it's 90 pit bulls. Because people are afraid.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

But they're. They get such a bad reputation. But there are some amazing pities that weren't ever in the fighting rings. They were just overbred and, you know, taken out of a confiscation of a. Of a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting rings. And it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies. And like, I just wish people would at least open their minds and hearts to, like, there are some amazing pities out there or pity mixes.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, there are, but they're also very dangerous.

[Miranda Lambert]

I get it.

[Joe Rogan]

I know they are around other dogs. They will fight those dogs to the death.

[Miranda Lambert]

I think you're. They have to be vetted. Has to be a well vetted shelter or adoption, you know, but the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Is oftentimes you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I've had dogs that. That were great around people, and then I'd get them around any dog and their hackles would Go up. And they immediately wanted to fight. And you're like, oh, God. And then you're the asshole, cuz your dog is like pulling on the leash and you're like, I'm sorry, let me get him out of here.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I know they. They're dangerous. They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I think it takes a special household and owner too, to really kind of handle a dog like that, like, 100%. Our best friends Gwen, she's in my band, and her and her husband are longtime Pitbull rescue family. And he. They just know how to, like, deal with them. And they come around our dogs, they're fine, everything's fine. But it's definitely an Alpha male out. Like, they kind of show him his boss right away and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And they sort of understand the food chain of the house. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's dogs that are great dogs, but they just need a lot of attention. Like if you have a German shepherd or a Belgian Malinois small, you got to give those things something to do.

[Miranda Lambert]

You got to know what kind of breed you're getting, too. Like, I feel like people, I always preach, adopt, don't shop, but I still think you within the adoption, like, really need to go. I'm gonna spend some time with this dog. I'm gonna talk to its foster family. I'm gonna foster it just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting. If you want like a lazy, cuddly thing, but still protector, get a Pyrenees. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, right.

[Miranda Lambert]

Just know what you're getting. Like, just understand, like, is my household ready? Cause there's a lot of the. What breaks my heart the most is the, like, owner surrenders and the returns at the shelters. You know what I mean? It's like you didn't think through what you were right doing.

[Joe Rogan]

The dog already thought it had a home, and now you bring them in.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right. Because you. You wanted a lazy dog and you got a cow dog, and it needs to run like, great.

[Joe Rogan]

Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of like a lab and a protecting dog. They're a great little balance.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I have a friend who has a Pyrenees, and it's like such a good dog. And he's like, listen, man, if coyotes come around here, this dog. Oh, yeah, we're them up.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I go, really? He goes like, oh, yeah. Like, you. You ain't never seen a change of personality like this dog when it sees.

[Miranda Lambert]

A coyote, but then they're like laid up on the couch with their legs in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Sweetest. Just right.

[Miranda Lambert]

My bad is the best.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a rich. Like I have a golden. Who's. He's the best. Unless you're a squirrel. And they. Then he's these hell that he's a demon. He's a squirrel killer. But other than that, he's the sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody. Everybody who comes over the house. Like, you're my best friend.

[Miranda Lambert]

Golden to the best.

[Joe Rogan]

They're so sweet.

[Miranda Lambert]

But I love them all. I love them all. We have a Chihuahua. I mean. I mean, you. You're getting a chihuahua. You know what? You're getting.

[Joe Rogan]

Mean as hell and nervous.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, my God. So mean. She's 16 and blind and she still tries to bite. She don't know where you are, but she's like, but I could get you.

[Joe Rogan]

16 is old and blind.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's about.

[Joe Rogan]

But. Oh, my God.

[Miranda Lambert]

Senior dog house over here.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you had her since she was a baby?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Miranda Lambert]

Doctor from a shelter when she was like eight weeks old.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

We got two seniors now, but I've lost. I was crazy dog lady when my husband met me. And I had eight rescues. Like, it seems crazy now, but it. I have farm land and three were Peronis. Two golden mixes and then three little I don't know whats. And I've lost one every year for six years. And so after this, we have two seniors left. And my husband's like, my heart can't take this. Like, he never had dogs growing up. He loves dogs. But he was like, this is awful. Like, ever since we met, we've lost one because they're stair step in age. And so I'm like, I need a. My heart needs a break a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

It's hard. Yeah, it's hard when they die. It's like, it's. It's so hard. You're so close to them. And they only lived like, to be. Not long enough 13. And then it's over.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're like put here to show us true love.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Miranda Lambert]

They really are.

[Joe Rogan]

Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile. What they are is we took wolves and turned them into. That's what really, really would happen. Like, I have a King Charles spaniel, you know?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the sweetest. That's. He is the sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a bitch. And, like, you're not enough of a bitch. Let me turn you into more of a bitch and more floppy.

[Miranda Lambert]

Now we have Bernadoodles.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so weird what humans have done to dogs.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

That we've created. Created all these, like, totally helpless, little tiny breeds.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know. It's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Shih Tzus and all these little tiny things. Yeah, these little.

[Miranda Lambert]

But they're all amazing. And there's plenty at the shelter that y' all should go check out.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a weird thing that we've done.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Because they all used to be wolves at one point in time.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's got to be the weirdest. Transformation of an animal by human interaction is worsted.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, I wonder how. I just wonder, like, the first one to do it, like, well, do we know?

[Joe Rogan]

They think it was just, like, cavemen by the fire, and wolves would come around and they had killed something. They'd throw them a bone, and the. The relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And then eventually, they softened to the point where they could, like, sleep with these people. So they were like household animals, or at least stay around the house. House. And they trusted them to protect their children. And then, you know, then they developed different breeds that were better at, like, herding sheep.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, because you got to think, like, most wolves killed sheep.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So all of a sudden, you could teach a dog to, like, make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves, which is nuts.

[Miranda Lambert]

And it's incredible to watch.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And watching dogs, like, bird dogs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's one of my favorite. And also, like, the canine units, they blow my mind. Like, the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have. And, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Malinois.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That is a crazy dog. When you see them run up walls and fly, they're insane.

[Miranda Lambert]

But, like, that's one of the dogs. You're like, you need to know what you're getting because.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

You need, like, a dude that can run with this dog all day, and.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't leave him alone. And you can't, like, hey, man, can you watch my dog? I'm gonna be gone for a week. Like, nuh. That dog's coming with you, bitch.

[Miranda Lambert]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

You need to.

[Miranda Lambert]

That dog's watching you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That dog needs activity.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German shepherd approaches an assailant versus a Belgian Malinois.

[Miranda Lambert]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room, and the German shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on. The Belgian Malinois goes over all the chairs. Chairs just like, flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this. So here's the shepherd. See how the shepherd runs around and he's like, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you. And he finds you and he bites you. Watch the Belgian Malinois. As soon as they let him go, he's like, these chairs right over him.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. Like, they're designed to go things up. That's their task all day long. And they're crazy. Smart. Smart. They're really smart.

[Miranda Lambert]

Intimidating.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. They look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park. They're, like, checking you out.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What are we doing? Am I killing you, or are you just one of my. My dad's friends?

[Miranda Lambert]

Perfect. Perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, looking right at you like this. Like.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh. And you're like, can I pet it? Or is he at work right now?

[Joe Rogan]

He's working.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't ever pet Malinois unless I know for sure. Yeah, they're just. That's a working dog. It's a different thing. Same, you know, I mean. But it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that. Like, how. How do you can make a dog into my dog? Which is, like, just a cuddle, but he just. He just a cuddle bug. He just wants to lie down with you. Like, today we're watching tv, he just cuddles up. He's, like, got his head in my lap and I'm petting him. We're watching tv. It used to be a wolf.

[Miranda Lambert]

The only one I think about in my house that used to be a wolf is my Chihuahua, because she's the meanest.

[Joe Rogan]

How ironic. That's so funny. But it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I didn't think about it like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, some of them. Have you ever seen that? What is that? Shepherd dog? That crazy giant one from Russia. Was that a norm? What is it called? Not from Russia. It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf, and it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in. But it's like £200. Like this enormous thing that protects Caucasian shepherd. That's it. Caucasian shepherd. It literally looks like a werewolf. Like the werewolf that we have out front. American werewolf in London.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's scary.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what it looks like. And they just protect. Look at that.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, I've seen those. I just didn't know what they're called.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. See if you can find one that's doing bite.

[Miranda Lambert]

But look, that one looks sweet.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Unless you break into the house. I mean, that thing's crazy. Google Caucasian shepherd training. Yeah. Or bite. Right there.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, God. That does look like the thing in the front.

[Joe Rogan]

That's fake. But look at the side. That's one, like, pretending to see. There's one that's doing bite work, though, in that other image. That's the word for them. This is like a word of charka. Like, that is a big ass dog. And that's another dog that they use to. To protect against wolves. Look at the size of that sucker.

[Miranda Lambert]

Huge.

[Joe Rogan]

So what are they doing here?

[Miranda Lambert]

Where are they? They're Russian.

[Joe Rogan]

That looks like they're Transporting it. Training YouTube channel. Oh, okay. They're training it. Yeah. With a big bag of shitty dog food. That dog food that people buy. That stuff's so terrible.

[Miranda Lambert]

You do farmer's dog. Me too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. We started off with another company called Maeve, which is great. It's frozen. But just the way he eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must taste way better. And it's the same kind of thing. It's real food. It's frozen. You get it frozen, thaw it out, and feed it to him. Like he. When. When he's ready to eat.

[Miranda Lambert]

They love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Devours it, devours it.

[Miranda Lambert]

I had to start that with my Buy Senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things, you know, and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else. And I was just like, all right, we're just gonna do the expensive dog food. But I'd. I had three Pyrenees rescues, two golden mixes, and like three littler dogs. I'm like, this is like 700 a batch for all y' all to eat. Like, so I started making it for a while too. Like, I would just make, like, ground turkey.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's great.

[Miranda Lambert]

But I just couldn't keep up with it. So. I mean, farmer's dogs, what we used to.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food because. Way better. Anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good for you. It just can't it's filled with preservatives.

[Miranda Lambert]

And that's not us living on Tito. I feel like.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Miranda Lambert]

But sometimes I want to eat them, Sometimes I love them.

[Joe Rogan]

But. Yeah, like, if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out, and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're going to live.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But you're not gonna feel real good.

[Miranda Lambert]

No, you're not. People are always like, what's on your rider? I'm like, cheetos and Tito. It's kind of all I need.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that it? That's your rider? Cheetos. Hilarious. That's hilarious. Some people have wag.

[Miranda Lambert]

What's on your rider?

[Joe Rogan]

Not much.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have. I have, like, a cheese tray, maybe, or.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I have a meat tray. A meat tray. When I was drinking, it was. We would definitely have, like, some whiskey on there and maybe, like, a bottle of wine. But I really don't drink anymore. Not that I. Yeah, this is. Like, I wasn't an alcoholic, so it's not like I can't drink. Like, I had a glass of wine with dinner the other night, but it's not. I don't drink anymore. Like, I don't. Like, we would. I would go to my comedy club with my friends, or we go on the road. I'd have a couple of glasses of this and a couple glasses of that and a margarita at dinner. And then the next day, I'd feel like. And it wasn't ever, like, I couldn't stop. It was just. I did. And then one day, I was like, I think I'm just gonna stop for a while and see how I feel. And I felt so much better. So much better. Because I was drinking, like, two or three nights a week, sometimes four. Go out to date on a date with my wife. I have a couple of drinks. I'd go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it just. I mean, I feel like that's showbiz. I mean, just part of it. Like, part of our culture. And, like, we have to bring the party, too. That's the other thing. It's like, how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you?

[Joe Rogan]

Right? You know, that's a problem.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a problem.

[Miranda Lambert]

Especially in, like, the honky tonk days. Like, I came up in, like, beer joints. I'm talking about, like, dive bars. You know what I mean? And you just Start getting in it with people, and then. Then you're on your day off, you're like, oh, we're gonna have a nice date and have a drink. You know what I mean? It just.

[Joe Rogan]

It.

[Miranda Lambert]

It kind of spirals.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but we.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love red wine. Like, it's my favorite thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I feel the next day. But, like, I'm not, you know, not saying I'll never do it again, but for now, I'm not doing it anymore. But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two. Not even two. A drink. Like, I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other night. I had, like, a half a glass of wine. I'm like, we're good. But, like, if somebody has a bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking shit, I want to have a couple of drinks. I might.

[Miranda Lambert]

You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just trying to be healthier is what it is. And I recognize that, like, if I do all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time, I eat so well, I take all these vitamins. Like, why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week? That seems stupid, especially with my lifestyle. It's like, it's better. Like, even if I just limit it to one night a week, it's better. But really, it's better than just not.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The reality is, it's not good for you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, I know, but it's fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It is fun. It is fun. Getting, like, catching a buzz is fun. Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done, like, when we do protect our parks, we get hammered.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They're fun.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, I bet.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid.

[Miranda Lambert]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And have 4000 thousands of years. I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place. So many people meeting people, so many fun friendships.

[Miranda Lambert]

A lot of the memories, too. It's like, on the road, after the shows. Like, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

When everybody's just really being themselves.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, it's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get too drunk or DUI or be an asshole or it's possible. But it's enough of a normal thing that a good percentage of people know when they've had enough and they know the right dose. You know, you have a couple drinks, like, I'm good. You know, you know where you're at. Whereas any other drug that you're trying today is illegal.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And any other drug, it's like, who knows what's gonna happen, right?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you wanna go next door, like, really next door? Next door.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm going down the street.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you can go down the street with whiskey, with a margarita, whiskey. You can go to another town.

[Miranda Lambert]

Martinis. Like, everybody knows, like, do not drink more than two martinis. Are you an insane person? Like, you can't. Everybody knows that. Everyone should know it. Like, I feel like that's what really.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know Bert Kreischer that can put some martinis down?

[Miranda Lambert]

Really? Like, I'm like, two's good. Like, that's straight up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you're smart.

[Miranda Lambert]

Just straight. I mean. And then have your glass, wine, whatever you want past to. When you see, like, you know, somebody sit at a bar by themselves at, like 3 o', clock, and there. And then you're like, dang, that's their third mark. There's the third martini. They're about to hit the deck and they're fine. I'm like, something's gonna happen later. Something's gonna happen later.

[Joe Rogan]

They probably do it all the time. That's the thing.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's the. Here's your sign. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's supposedly better for you, right? Isn't it? Like, do you drink Tito's? Like, a vodka martini is probably. Is. Is a gin martini the same?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know. I'm a Tito's and Topos gal.

[Joe Rogan]

Titos and Toppo, they say that clear liquor is better for you, right? Don't they say that?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know. We've made excuses for every single thing we want to do today.

[Joe Rogan]

Tequila is the best.

[Miranda Lambert]

Nicotine is great for us. Yeah. It's good for the brain. It's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor is like, a real reason why clear liquor. Additives in it. There you go. Less additives. That's it. I'm pretty sure, yeah. I mean, even tequila has got. You got to find the good stuff, right? But if you find the good. That's the other thing. I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake. How much tequila is not really made with agave.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's a real. That's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a lot of fake.

[Miranda Lambert]

Hurt your ass. I mean, tequila will. Yeah, it's not forgiving if you abuse it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a certain kind of drunk.

[Miranda Lambert]

Don't ask me how I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's like I shot my TV with my shotgun drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a high speed chase drunk. Yeah, Tequila just like, ooh, we were drunk on tequila.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yikes.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you know, you just picture yourself doing something definitely incorrect. Yeah. It's a funny thing that. I guess it makes sense though that music and, and comedy for a. In, in a lot of ways is connected to drinking because drinking like, lowers inhibitions and it makes you want to sing along and it makes you want to dance. And maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance, but you get a couple shots. Fuck it. Let's get on the dance floor.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's like raise your. You know, it's just, that's like the, that's. It's just a, it's like a feeling and it's. You're part of the party and you're part of the song and you're part of the show and. Or whatever. Like what? I just think, especially I think our. I think music and comedy are the most as far as show business. Like you're, you know that people just feel like that's something that they go there to do. Do.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, the two things that you have to go see live, you don't have to. I mean, you can just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff. But the reality is it's way better if you're there live. Yeah, like live. Going to see live music to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all. I don't have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So it's just, I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it. That way. I see where they're going.

[Miranda Lambert]

You can just enjoy it.

[Joe Rogan]

I could just, just be entertained.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's. I. I think music is a drug in and of itself because it, it does something to your. A great song does something very powerful to you.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration. It's like it does something that nothing else does in a weird, weird way.

[Miranda Lambert]

And it feels so good. Like when you have a song that somebody comes, comes up and says, that song changed my life, that song. You know, I have one called House to Build Me. That's like the one people come up to me the most. And we're like, that's my story. And it's. I didn't write it. I'm like. But that's when I heard it. That's why I was like, this is my story, too. And those are the. And, like, as a songwriter, when you write a song like that, that's. That's the ultimate, like, reminder. Like, this is why I do that. Like, yeah, it made somebody feel something. It made somebody get through something. It made somebody want to punch somebody. Whatever the emotion is, as long as it brings out emotion, we've done our job, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Think of how many people you've done that to, how nuts that is. Like, you've had so many hit songs, so you've had so many songs that resonated with people where they all felt that feeling when that song came on. Like, oh, this is my song. Yeah, this is my song. Turn it up.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have, like, the feisty. A lot of the feisty. I mean, I'm. I'm a little calmer now, but. But used to be quite the firecracker. Just. I mean, there's a reason I have revolvers tattooed on, but now I'm shooting them off horses. Like, just a little, like, pistol personality, I guess. And so, like, my feisty songs, I mean, at every single show, pretty much every single show, there's a girl fight in the pit.

[Joe Rogan]

Every single.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, they just get riled up. Girl up. I'm telling you. They just get.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers.

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet you do. If every single show. You have.

[Miranda Lambert]

Almost every show.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet that's real odd. Have you talked to other female singers? Do they have similar stories?

[Miranda Lambert]

How many girls fight your show, though?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you should ask. You should totally ask.

[Miranda Lambert]

Because it's like, towards this part where it's like, I call it my ramp up. It's like gunpowder and lid, Little red wagon, Mama's broken heart. And, like, they just start getting wound up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They think about their ex, that motherfucker.

[Miranda Lambert]

Or he's there, and they're like, it's just a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's there with another woman.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have a front row seat to it. I'll stop if it gets real bad. I just stop and go, hey, y'.

[Joe Rogan]

All.

[Miranda Lambert]

Tone her down a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Every show?

[Miranda Lambert]

Almost every show.

[Joe Rogan]

That's really odd, Miranda.

[Miranda Lambert]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's odd. I think that that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people.

[Miranda Lambert]

Maybe I need. I mean, now. And I'm pretty calm now. I'M like, it's all right. We got some ballads coming up. Everybody take a sip. Take y' all settle down.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's great. They're feeling something.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. You know, bringing out emotion. Yeah, that's my job.

[Joe Rogan]

100. Yeah, I bet it's great at the gym, those songs. Yeah, I think about that. They punch at the concert. Elliptical machine.

[Miranda Lambert]

I have a lot of those. Like, girl, you're my. Like those kind of girls there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I love it. I love that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. You can't buy that.

[Miranda Lambert]

That.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a weird feeling.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You have to earn that feeling.

[Miranda Lambert]

You'll have to come to a show that's like one that I know for sure is going to be one of those. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

I would love to.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I would love to watch from the stage.

[Joe Rogan]

I loved you at the Makan event. It was amazing.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's such a cool event too.

[Joe Rogan]

Such a good event.

[Miranda Lambert]

And I love. I love all those boys and Jack and I've been. I mean, Jack Ingram is one of my heroes from back in the day. Like he. I started watching him when I was 15 and he had such charisma. And that's why I want to do that, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Miranda Lambert]

That's awesome. I've known him for a really long time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that and it's for a great cause, so everybody's like, super positive about why they're there. It's not just to have fun. It's also. It does, like, such an amazing service for people.

[Miranda Lambert]

It does. And they do such a good job with that show. They do put together so well.

[Joe Rogan]

You know who blew me away at that show too, too, is Lucas.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, he's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love him. He is great.

[Joe Rogan]

People are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son. I'm like, oh, okay, that'll be cool. And then he started singing. I was like, holy. Like, this guy's great.

[Miranda Lambert]

He's great.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not just good, he's great.

[Miranda Lambert]

Great musician and he's a great guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Sweetheart.

[Miranda Lambert]

A sweetheart.

[Joe Rogan]

Super sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah. I've got the. Had the pleasure of getting to know him now. He's a really nice guy, A genuine nice guy. But God, can he say he can. Like, that's.

[Miranda Lambert]

Especially when he does that. When he really go. Leans into the soul, more soul stuff. It just makes him shine, like. Cuz it's just so different than what people would think. It Was going to be right, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And his pipes.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

When the notes he. His. I was like.

[Miranda Lambert]

And when he goes for it, he, like, sings with his body. Like, his whole body. Like, you know, he's going for it, and I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And he does this, like. I don't know. It's going to hurt later in life, but he does this, like, back bend thing. He's on his knees. He's, like, bent all the way back. Playing a guitar solo. And I'm like, God, how does he do that? Is that adrenaline or what? Is that stretching?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's just stretching.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I could probably do that like, a decade ago, not now.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet you could.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm not gonna try. Well, not on stage.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse when you're shooting at things. Oh, I'm sure.

[Miranda Lambert]

Like, I ride so much better when I'm doing, like, consistent Pilates.

[Joe Rogan]

I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, it's hard. A lot harder. It's like yoga in a way that, like, people think, oh, yoga. You just go in and stretching, like, no, no, no. Like, go do it. It's hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard. I was like, oh, this is weird. This is using weird muscles.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Like, shaky ones. You're like, why am I shaking? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, stabilizing muscles. But it's, like, a really good thing to balance out other stuff. Stuff, you know? But that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to.

[Miranda Lambert]

When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still not great, and I still have fear. You know, on a horse, like, I'm just not super comfortable all the time. You know, when we're going fast. So I'm just learning to work up to that. But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever, till I was 30 years old. And I wish I'd started at 4 when I was fearless. You know what I mean? Like. But starting at 30, like, getting on this giant animal, and you don't know what you're doing. And my trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates. And so I started Pilates, and it really helped me. Like, it helped help me, like, stabilize myself a little more.

[Joe Rogan]

That's interesting. Your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding?

[Miranda Lambert]

She was my. She was training my horses and teaching me how to ride. She was like, you do not have core strength at all. You need to go do Pilates.

[Joe Rogan]

That's interesting. That you would choose that. Huh. I guess that makes sense. But I would think that there's other stuff you could do too. Like those. You ever see a. What a Bosu ball is, you know.

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it where you like bounce.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yes. And they have this. It's like this saddle you sit on and it's for that, like in it. It's like real. It's almost like one of those balls but saddle you sit on. Like if you're sitting on a yoga ball, but it's a saddle and like, like my shooting coach, Kenda, my friend Kenda, she'll tell me, get your gun belt on and get your guns out and sit on your. Is that the yoga ball? The big one? The big workout ball? Sit on that and shoot off that.

[Joe Rogan]

That makes sense. When you're doing your drill, whatever, stabilize. It's all just about stabilizing. You know a lot. I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Which is smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Just. I guess I'm glad I don't have.

[Miranda Lambert]

To sit at a desk. I don't think I'd do well.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I have to sit at this desk. But these chairs, they keep you up bright. These are really good.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, they're comy.

[Joe Rogan]

They're good. They're. They make you sit correctly or at least encourage you to sit correctly rather than a. But when you started doing that when you were 30, how long did it take before you started shooting guns off of?

[Miranda Lambert]

I just started that last year.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

I mean, I just started last year. I started. I showed Gypsy Vanners. They're like draft lazy draft horses kind of. I got into those cuz I was 30 and like, like I can't afford to get hurt. Like I'm on the road all the time, so I wanted something safe to learn on.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you fallen before?

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I mean, I tried to do hunter jumper. I thought I wanted to be. I was like all excited. I'm like, I'm gonna be a cowgirl. At 30 years old. I'm like, I'm gonna finally be a cowgirl. I want to bear race. Well, then I learned that that's I don't want to barrel race. Which kind of the guns. It's patterns and it's going faster on. You have to go around a barrel. So kind of back to that. But. But this old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he was like, you need to go take English lessons because you need your fundamentals. Because you can't. You're not just going to get a western saddle and act like you know what you're doing. Go take lessons. Because English is so proper.

[Joe Rogan]

What is English?

[Miranda Lambert]

English. And like, it's like the hunter jumpers. Like the. And dressage. It's like the very proper, you know, English writing is. Teaches you the fundamentals. Look, I'm sitting up straighter talking about it to where western is a lot more loose. And so it just taught me a lot, taking English lessons. But I thought I'd do hunter jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Miranda Lambert]

And that's where I really hit the ground a few times. Like, I wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

So, yeah, just.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's been a cool journey. It's just. I mean, it's a lot to learn.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot to learn. I'm imagining it's also, like, rough on the body, too.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, yeah. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

Is.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's why I'm like, give me your. Safe is my cool. My horse, he is super safe. I just. I don't. I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better, but I don't want to do it at a certain cost.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, do you enter competitions or anything?

[Miranda Lambert]

I showed my vanners for 10 years and.

[Joe Rogan]

What does that mean?

[Miranda Lambert]

I just went to horse shows and.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you said some words I don't understand. I showed my van, my Vanners.

[Miranda Lambert]

That sounds. Sounds dirty when you say it back like that. What's a banner? No, it's my gypsy. Banners are the kind of horses I have. So I went and showed them in competitions, like, just English pleasure, Western pleasure. Like just riding around the rail and it's about your technique and.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's not like jumping or.

[Joe Rogan]

So when English. It's just about being in control of the horse.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yep. It's your technique making the horse listen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

And then. And then I got into shooting, and now I'm not going back.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you gonna do competitions with the shooting?

[Miranda Lambert]

I did one last year just. Just to, like, get my first one out of the way. And it was fun as a lot of. I mean, it's scary. Scary as honestly. But, like, all these girls I ride with are so good. Like, they go 100 miles an hour. Like, I'll. I gotta show you Kenda. Like, she is. She is.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there a video of her?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. She's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

What's her last name?

[Miranda Lambert]

One Saint. It's L, A N S E S I, E, N G. Google It. I'm spelling it right.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie will find it.

[Miranda Lambert]

She's amazing. And they go so fast and like, it's a timed. I mean, it's a timed event, right? So you're competing just against you really, like how. How precise and how fast you could go on your horse.

[Joe Rogan]

So you have like a green light and then you go.

[Miranda Lambert]

Green light. You go.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they. How do they start you off? They.

[Miranda Lambert]

You do do.

[Joe Rogan]

What do they say?

[Miranda Lambert]

They flag.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they drop a flag and then you go.

[Miranda Lambert]

And then you go, oh, I didn't go that fast. I did mine in like 28 seconds. She does it in like eight seconds.

[Joe Rogan]

Same course.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. It's insane. She's amazing. But. But that's why it's something to work towards.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, how many times is she wiped out?

[Miranda Lambert]

Oh, she's broke down as hell. She's broke down. She has cowgirl broke down, but she's still going. She wiped out so bad last year and just gets right back on. Keeps going. Riding in a cast like it's cowgirl way.

[Joe Rogan]

Riding in a cast. That's tough.

[Miranda Lambert]

They're tough.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. People are built different.

[Miranda Lambert]

They are.

[Joe Rogan]

You got any videos? Here we go. I want to see this.

[Miranda Lambert]

She's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I saw that you. You were doing that. I was like, that's bananas. But it looks like fun.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow? Arrow.

[Miranda Lambert]

They have bow and arrow. There she is.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, here she goes.

[Miranda Lambert]

They have bow and arrows. Rifles. The rifles are crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine this lady running up to you on a. On a ranch with a pistol in her hand.

[Miranda Lambert]

She is legit.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Miranda Lambert]

She's one of my besties.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there high speed where they're not showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow. Wow, that's crazy. Oh, man, this is awesome.

[Miranda Lambert]

She is a literal never misses.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like fun.

[Miranda Lambert]

There's 83 patterns, so the horse never runs the same.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait a minute. How is she shooting that many times?

[Miranda Lambert]

It's five shots and a gun change, so.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you have to change your gun.

[Miranda Lambert]

You have to change your gun. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So how many bolt, how many shots is it total in one of these rounds, will you run?

[Miranda Lambert]

10.

[Joe Rogan]

10. So, okay, so you have 10 things.

[Miranda Lambert]

This is like a highlight reel, but yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

10 shots.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. So that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome. Well, that's how to learn.

[Miranda Lambert]

She's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Learn from a psycho. Completely insane. Serious screw loose to be good at that wow. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at this, dude. Oh, this is her.

[Miranda Lambert]

Her. That's her and Charles.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Yeah. How about 12 and 070? I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome. It looks like fun.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah, it's really fun. And it's. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a very country thing to be involved.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, guess what. Guess what.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's. It's perfect. Perfect. It's perfect.

[Miranda Lambert]

We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs. We talked about guns. On horses.

[Joe Rogan]

Archery, Hunting. Fill in the blank.

[Miranda Lambert]

Tito's.

[Joe Rogan]

And Tito's. Exactly. That's a very. But that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding. It's horse riding with pistols.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I mean, come on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Miranda Lambert]

I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing. See if there's one where they do it off with bows and arrows. I want to see that.

[Miranda Lambert]

It's crazy. I haven't seen that in person. But the raffles, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, rifles. They do too.

[Miranda Lambert]

They do it with rifles. And you don't have reins because you got. You use two hands to shoot the rifle. So, like, they're riding with their legs.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. Right, Right. And the horse is making wild turns. You have their crazy strength in your legs.

[Miranda Lambert]

That needs a lot of pilates.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. So you can find one where they're doing it. Bows and arrows. Because I know that that's how the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it. It. They learned how to shoot while they were. They. They learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They had the least amount of disturbance. What is this one? Epic equestrian mounted archery. But are they. Is this a competition?

[Miranda Lambert]

This is.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I don't know that there's many of them. I don't know that there's. Oh, yeah. So they have targets. Yeah. But this looks like a British horseback archery.

[Miranda Lambert]

See, that's a. She's in a dressage saddle doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too. Oh, that makes. Look at that.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's cool. Hobby.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't. With horses. It's just. I like them. I love them. I think they're awesome.

[Miranda Lambert]

Them.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to ride them. There you go. Thing for it. Oh, that's cool.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's like a pattern.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So very similar. Similar kind of deal tear and tactical for horses. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Tarantactical is a tactical range in California. We're going. That's where Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot guns. I used to go there when I lived in California. You do, like, shoot already?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you go through a tactical course.

[Miranda Lambert]

That's what that. That's where we shoot out at end. Cost Hill is a bit called Ben Avery shooting Facility. And it's like all of that. It's any. Anything that can be shot is shot there.

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Miranda Lambert]

And they. So Kenda had him build a rodeo arena so we could do our balloons.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be the coolest thing to have on your property. Have a tactical range right on your property. We could.

[Miranda Lambert]

This place is huge, and it's out there in the desert, so, like, there's plenty of space to do all the things.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what I was thinking about. That. The shooting pistols on the horses. Like. Like, when did they figure out to not use bullets?

[Miranda Lambert]

Because, like, there had to be a time something happened. And the horses wear earplugs, too, which is great.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. They probably had to figure that out later in life, too.

[Miranda Lambert]

Horses wear earplugs.

[Joe Rogan]

But when did they figure out how many people got shot before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Black powder might be a better call.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you got all those people in the audience, and then you got someone on a horse.

[Miranda Lambert]

It is. And she. She catches hell for it. People are like, you can't be. She's like. It's spectator safe. It's safe for the horses. Everybody wears earplugs. It's black powder.

[Joe Rogan]

Who gets mad?

[Miranda Lambert]

People. Everybody wants to about something.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You know, but that's just how it's good.

[Miranda Lambert]

You would know more than anyone. I don't need to tell you you.

[Joe Rogan]

Can'T make everybody happy. It's impossible.

[Miranda Lambert]

You can't.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're always going to make someone mad. As long as you relay that, you'll be okay.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And as long as you stay offline.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. Stay off that TikTok.

[Joe Rogan]

Stay out of that river. That TikTok River.

[Miranda Lambert]

River, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of people drown in that river.

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about? Should we wrap this up?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah. I mean, we talked about every country thing you talked about.

[Joe Rogan]

We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to. I really enjoy.

[Miranda Lambert]

Thank you for having me on here.

[Joe Rogan]

My pleasure.

[Miranda Lambert]

Appreciate it.

[Joe Rogan]

And I love your music and I love your personality. So it was really cool to have you in here.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, come see us on the road.

[Joe Rogan]

I would love to have you. Are you ever in Austin?

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm playing the San Antonio Rodeo next year.

[Joe Rogan]

When is that? What time?

[Miranda Lambert]

February.

[Joe Rogan]

February. Oh, okay. So like in a couple of months?

[Miranda Lambert]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. We'll try to make it down for that. Are you ever in Austin, though?

[Miranda Lambert]

I played in Austin in a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Miranda Lambert]

I don't know why. I'm here all the time, and I don't know. I need to get that on the books.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, well, I will come. I will definitely come.

[Miranda Lambert]

Well, thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. My pleasure. If anybody wants to go find you out on the river. Social media. The river.

[Miranda Lambert]

I'm on all your social media platforms. Miranda Lambert. Com.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, thank you very much. Bye, everybody.