Jeff Dye (1:34)

Okay, good.

Joe Rogan (1:35)

I mean, I know what that is, you know, like, she's. She's a pitbull, man. That's the type of human.

Jeff Dye (1:44)

Thanks, brother.

Joe Rogan (1:44)

You're welcome.

Jeff Dye (1:45)

Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rossi and you tell me if I'm right or not?

Joe Rogan (1:48)

You. Good.

Jeff Dye (1:49)

Because you know what you're talking about, and I am not a ufc. I like. I like ufc, but I don't, you know. You know these things. So I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass, right? And was awesome at fighting when there was, like, 30 girls doing it in, like, professionally at her level.

Joe Rogan (2:07)

Mm.

Jeff Dye (2:08)

Right. That's why I said I might be wrong. But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and in other countries and even, maybe even in America that just weren't in ufc. They're like, mean. I, I could probably beat this chick. And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime, as badass as like the field.

Joe Rogan (2:29)

Well, it's very difficult to. When someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer. It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.

Jeff Dye (2:43)

Right?

Joe Rogan (2:43)

So what she was, is, here you go, fella. She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady. What she did was so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar. She made the UFC female division possible. If it wasn't for her. Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters. It took someone that was that dynamic, that was that special to open his eyes and go, you know what? I think this lady's a star. And to be the type, like when she said, like, I wasn't an expert. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, but you got to understand why she thinks like that. Because she's a fucking, she has a champion mentality. You never fought. You ain't shit. You know, it's like, it's real simple.

Jeff Dye (3:31)

The football guys do that. You didn't play. You're like, yeah, but I studied the sport.

Joe Rogan (3:34)

Doesn't matter. You ain't shit. I get it. It's totally fine. You can't judge her, like, compare her to like Zhang Weili, because like Zhang Weili, who was the 115 pound champion. She had a chance to watch all these other people learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective. What Rhonda had is world class judo, world class bronze medalist in the Olympics, one of the best arm bars period in the sport, in the history of the sport. Her fucking arm bar. The technique was flawless. The is a fight with her and Kat Zingano. Katzingano launches at her, just Katz. Andano was an animal. Charges at her full Ronda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time. It was nuts. But it was perfect. Perfect technique, you know, you couldn't with that. But then she fought Holly Holm, and when she fought Holly Holm, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer and, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan. And who had a chance to study Ronda, and maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp Jackson, Winklejohn camp, one of the best camps in the world. Jon Jones came out of that camp. Holly Donald Cerrone originally came out of that camp. A lot of great fighters came out of there. So they were really good at game planning. So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch, they knew how Rhonda likes to set up her takedowns, and they knew, you know, what to avoid. And then on top of that, Holly's just an elite striker. So every time Ronda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like Betch, Koheia, these. These fighters that were a lower tier, it's not going to be as effective with someone like Holly. And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.

Jeff Dye (5:28)

Well, I thought they were like, the same age and same era, but, like, Holly's after she was able to learn from.

Joe Rogan (5:36)

I wouldn't say they are the same era, but Holly, you know, she had wins and losses. She lost to Valentina Shevchenko, she lost to some other fighters. And. But it was. Stylistically, it was a great matchup for her because she's an elite striker. She's really good at counter striking, striking. She's really good at movement. And when Rhonda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet. And when you're with a very physically strong woman who's got good takedown defense and is good at, like, catching you as you're charging in, that was. That was the problem in that fight. Also. The problem in that fight, I think, for Rhonda, is when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas show up and they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you go into meetings and you talk to agents and you're setting up movies, and you're doing this and you're doing that, and all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting. Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus. They just. They rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to, like, dealing with haters and things online that you shouldn't read, you only have, like. Like think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have a, like, 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units. Anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless. That doesn't help you. That's stealing from your 100, you know? So now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It will. It'll rob you of what makes you great. This episode is brought to you by caldera Lab. You've probably seen this brand all over Instagram, and I am here to tell you, I try it, and it lives up to the hype. Listen, you train your body, you eat clean, you take supplements, you put in work everywhere else. But most guys ignore the biggest organ that they've got, their skin. And here's the thing. Your skin's just like any other part of the body. If you don't take care of it, it wears down faster. It shows the damage, and it makes you look older than you are. Caldera lab's simple regime is designed for guys. And it actually works. Works. I know. It's a big difference. And you will, too. Look better, feel better. Simple as that. Go to caldera lab.comjre and use the code jre for 20 off your first order. That's caldera lab.comjRE so there was two factors. There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Rhonda and with a great team and devise a game plan. And then there's also the stealing of focus. You know, Ronda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a. As a. Like, a legitimate pioneer and a star. There was. First it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, But Cyborg had an asterisk because everybody knew she was roided up. And then it was Rhonda. But Rhonda eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them. I was a huge supporter and still amazing. But when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing, that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Especially, like, someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality. Like, I thought you were with me. Fuck you.

Jeff Dye (9:06)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (9:07)

And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, I don't think she should fight for a long time. They were talking about doing an immediate rematch, and I was like, that's crazy. Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months. Or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off. When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture perfect right hand. Who knocked that knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, you can't fight for a year. I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year, because you got to heal up from something like that. It's bad when you get knocked unconscious. It's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit. And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like, if you get knocked out. There's certain fighters that used to have iron chins. Like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out and it wasn't him. It was his. His. His brain was broken. It was. There was too many times, too many shots, too many. Too many knockouts, too many impacts. You gotta preserve that. You gotta be very careful with that. You gotta take a long time off. And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight. I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful because the promos. And obviously, look, Ronda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance, didn't think anybody had a chance. She was going to beat everybody forever. But all of the promo was Rhonda coming back. All of it was like, she's coming back to take what's hers. It was Rhonda in a mansion, looking out. It was like the worst promo set. Like Rhonda in a mansion, looking out the window, saying, I'm gonna go get my title. I don't know who made that. I don't know what it was. But I remember being backstage the day of the fight, and there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats, and this guy was like. I forget his exact words. They were talking. He didn't know who Rhonda was fighting. And he said, who? I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral. That's what he said. I was like, oh my God, like, these are the people. Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135. And that what I, that's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like Dana and I talked about, I said, I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger because she can flatline chicks with one punch. She's very different than all the other ones. She wound up flatlining Chris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight. She beats the out of everybody. She hits so hard, like way harder than most women. And I was like, that's a dangerous opponent. And they're making it seem like this is all about the Rhonda comeback when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Rhonda, Misha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Misha Tate. So Amanda was the fucking champion. But all the promotion was all about Rhonda.

Jeff Dye (12:30)

And then they were trying to do like pro wrestling.

Joe Rogan (12:32)

Like, I don't know what they were.

Jeff Dye (12:34)

She'll come back.

Joe Rogan (12:35)

I think, you know, they were just selling the fight. They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is, I guess that way who's more famous. But it's disrespectful to the champion, especially a dangerous champion. And if she, if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up. It's not good to set her up like you should set her up, like how fucking dangerous she is. Now you got a bigger star. Obviously she wound up being a bigger star. And Amanda is the greatest of all time, like widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history because she fucks everybody up. She's just so dangerous. So. And then that fight happens and then that lady takes Rhonda out in the first round. Just beats the piss out of her, just stops her standing. Just. It was brutal. You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Rhonda. I still don't. I understand her mentality. I mean, she's a champion minded person. Like, she's like, you're fucking with me or against me. It's me against the world. You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder. She's not a forest. She's got a whole forest on her shoulder, you know what I mean? But that's why she was so good. And we're lucky she's a woman. If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan. She'd fucking take over the world. She's an animal.

Jeff Dye (13:47)

Scary.

Joe Rogan (13:48)

So that's why she has that opinion. That's just how she thinks about things.

Jeff Dye (13:52)

I was mad at her just as an everyday man, because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know, and my nieces also aren't experts about ufc. They're girls. And they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass. You know, they like that kind of stuff. And so then when she lost to, like, you know, be on Tick Tock, I mean, actually, people made tick tocks of it. It's not like Ronda Rousey was on Tick Tock, but, like, she was like, on Ellen being like, I just wanted to quit. And I saw my man and I just realized, I want to have babies. And I was like, this is not really the message, you know, if you lose, to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies, like, that's not like. I don't know. I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.

Joe Rogan (14:34)

Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being. That's what she wanted. And there's. There comes a time that's good.

Jeff Dye (14:40)

No, that would be a fine way to frame it.

Joe Rogan (14:42)

Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies. She didn't want to do it anymore. And that there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long. And the reality of fighting is you're redlining.

Jeff Dye (14:54)

What does that mean?

Joe Rogan (14:55)

You know what a red line. When the engine. You know, when your tachometer reaches like, 8,000 RPMs, like, right. You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it's at a rate. You can't maintain fight shape. It's not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week, you kind of drop off so that you can recover. And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get. But you can't maintain that, and you can't do that forever. This is only. And they think that there's a theory amongst mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you, that is about nine years. Nine years is all it's possible to compete at a peak level. And then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others. It varies. Some people, it's a much shorter reign. And you got to kind of look at who they were when they were at the top. You can. You can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren't the same. They weren't elite performances. But I say that's just human. You got to look at him when he was the champion, he was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport, period. He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only. You got to look at when he was in his prime. Sure. You know, and there's only a certain amount of time you can do that. And then when a fighter does. Doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you got to get out. You got to get out because there's some 20 year old Mike Tyson out there. There's some animal, there's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps, fighting, and they. All they want to do is land shots and take you out. They just, they. That's their whole focus in life. They don't give a about relationships. They don't give a. About where they live. They don't give a. About anything. Just winning. And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite. You can only maintain it for so long. It's not a normal way for a human being to exist. It's very. It's a very strange way to live. Yeah. You know, and for her, it's natural. Like, she's a woman. She's like, I want to have babies. I have this great man. And. Yeah, and she's married to Travis Brown, who's also a beast, who is a elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. You know, she's like, I'm done. I'll make some warrior kids. I get it.

Jeff Dye (17:25)

I saw it. I was like, what the hell does that mean?

Joe Rogan (17:29)

She just didn't want to beat up you quit. No, no, no.

Jeff Dye (17:31)

Now my niece is root for Holly Holm. Good lady.

Joe Rogan (17:34)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (17:34)

Holly Holm's nice.

Joe Rogan (17:36)

She is nice.

Jeff Dye (17:36)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (17:37)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (17:37)

That's what we like. We like the winners who are nice.

Joe Rogan (17:41)

Yeah, I get it. But there's something about Rhonda being Rhonda that made the sport what it is.

Jeff Dye (17:48)

But I root that's for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader.

Joe Rogan (17:50)

She's not Darth Vader. Sure.

Jeff Dye (17:51)

Darth Vader's cooler, and he's probably more strong. He's got the thing, you know, but, you know, Luke's the good guy, and I like the good guy, and I root for the good guy.

Joe Rogan (18:00)

She's not a bad guy. She's, you know, like, look, her mother was a badass. Her mother was a elite judo competitor, actually.

Jeff Dye (18:09)

I hate disagreeing with you, Joe, but she's. She went to wrestling Rhonda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers. She said terrible things about you, who I love.

Joe Rogan (18:20)

She doesn't say anything terrible about me.

Jeff Dye (18:22)

She said, you're not an expert. That's all she said.

Joe Rogan (18:24)

That's also. That's not terrible. That's just an opinion.

Jeff Dye (18:26)

Seems mean to me.

Joe Rogan (18:27)

No, no, no. That's all. Look, if I was a, it would be mean.

Jeff Dye (18:30)

Well, I'm a. I'm defending. That's what I'm doing. If I was like, we do, dude.

Joe Rogan (18:34)

That's my whole life.

Jeff Dye (18:35)

I'm just saying, I. You know, she. She's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior, and warriors can be a little prickly.

Joe Rogan (18:43)

She's definitely prickly.

Jeff Dye (18:44)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (18:44)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (18:45)

That's all.

Joe Rogan (18:45)

But that's why she was awesome, you know?

Jeff Dye (18:47)

That's what made her great.

Joe Rogan (18:48)

That's what made her great. She broke that door wide open, and all the women that came afterwards follow. And it's hard for women to become famous in. In MMA because it's hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have. They generally don't have as much power. And unless they're, like, elite, a judo or something like that, like, she was, where they get arm bars and finish people quickly. But that's what everybody likes. Everybody likes dominance.

Jeff Dye (19:14)

And I want them to be hot.

Joe Rogan (19:16)

That helps.

Jeff Dye (19:16)

That's a good one. But it's hard to mix those worlds.

Joe Rogan (19:19)

Yeah, you get warrior her, Holly. There's only a few of them that were, like, really hot and elite in the old days.

Jeff Dye (19:25)

They weren't looking at the battle lines, and they're going, I wish these warriors had more tits. Like, that's what I'm like. A very conflicted person. I wanted to be badass, but also hot.

Joe Rogan (19:34)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (19:35)

And crazy to get both of them.

Joe Rogan (19:37)

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Jeff Dye (20:49)

Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan (20:50)

Especially while they're fighting. You know, it's like you don't really want that in your life. It's like, no way. You know what it's like? It's like a muscle car. Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't want to take them on a road trip.

Jeff Dye (21:01)

Dude, Shabby took me to. So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I go to all the Lakers games. And I invited Brandon Chaub when we first became friends, I said, you want to come to the Lakers game with me? You'll like it. We sit, we have great seats. We'll put you in the bath, we'll meet the owner. It'll be great. So that's what. My only kind of flex, you know, that can bring people to these kind of things. I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he's like, yeah, I'll pick you up. And he comes to my house. Brandon Schaub comes to my house like in a race car. I mean, this thing is. It's got the big spoiler on the back. Also. We're both big guys. I'm six four. He's. I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing in traffic on the one on one going to a Lakers game, and we can barely talk. We're both talkers, you know? And it's like the whole time. And I was just like. I went halfway through the drive as. Even though we were like new friends at the Time. Like, what made you pick this car? You have other cars? And he goes, well, you're like a little kid and my son loves this car, so I picked it because of you. You're like a little kid.

Joe Rogan (22:02)

That's hilarious.

Jeff Dye (22:03)

And he was right, because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome. But then I got in and I was like, bro, we're not built for this car thing. It's dying. Yeah, but that's not like your analogy. Like, that's not a day to day.

Joe Rogan (22:12)

No, that's not a road trip car. You want to be in a Cadillac, you know, it'll be something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.

Jeff Dye (22:21)

Exactly.

Joe Rogan (22:22)

Like a person, right?

Jeff Dye (22:23)

Yeah, Someone.

Joe Rogan (22:24)

Yeah. Like you want. You want a one night stand? You want a muscle car, you want a long term relationship? Get Alexis.

Jeff Dye (22:30)

And if you go to Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something. I'm real. We're in the traffic.

Joe Rogan (22:35)

Bring something quiet with air conditioning.

Jeff Dye (22:38)

His thought his heart was in the right place and he was completely right.

Joe Rogan (22:41)

What car was it?

Jeff Dye (22:42)

I don't know what it was like. I mean, I wouldn't even be able to guess. You don't know.

Joe Rogan (22:46)

You're not into cars.

Jeff Dye (22:47)

I love cars, but I like the cars I like. I've always loved big stupid things like, like big military vehicles.

Joe Rogan (22:53)

Have you seen his Hummer?

Jeff Dye (22:54)

Yeah, I love all that stuff.

Joe Rogan (22:55)

Yeah, he's got a real Hummer with a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

Jeff Dye (23:01)

Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was like doing some thing where you selling it. Like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that. Oh, yeah, that truck was a beautiful truck. And I like, like, that's what I like is like big stupid tires. Anything in Mad Max, I loved anything. The military drives. I was like, can I buy that? They're like, no, this is. It's not built for that.

Joe Rogan (23:21)

You can buy a lot of things.

Jeff Dye (23:22)

Those. Yeah, but that, like, they got to go to those auctions and.

Joe Rogan (23:25)

Yeah, you just got to know people. You get a lot of things these days. I would love that. Yeah. There's some crazy.

Jeff Dye (23:31)

I've never owned anything that fits in my garage.

Joe Rogan (23:33)

No. No.

Jeff Dye (23:34)

I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like 6 inch tires on it and I lifted it up and like it has no doors and no top. And so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street and I'm on the road so much.

Joe Rogan (23:48)

It's just sitting there.

Jeff Dye (23:49)

Just sitting there. So I come back, there'd be, you know, just like someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there, you know, because, you.

Joe Rogan (23:56)

Know, they don't care and they get mad at you. Right?

Jeff Dye (23:58)

What do you have? What a douche. Yeah. And where I am, it's not popular to have cool big like that, right?

Joe Rogan (24:03)

Sherman Oaks. It's popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.

Jeff Dye (24:07)

It's so annoying. I have a cyber truck and I. You can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension, you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. Because if you put a lift on it, the. The it's going to screw it all up. So anyways, long story short, I have a lifted cyber truck with big stupid tires on it. And I drive into the Comedy Store parking lot and I'm like, this really isn't helping my reputation around here. Every time I roll in, everyone's like, what is that?

Joe Rogan (24:39)

It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were. You were signaling that you were a left wing person. You know, you're environmentally conscious. Worried about carbine.

Jeff Dye (24:49)

Yeah, that. That was the. One of the more crazy shifts. And we could come up with a thousand of these. But like, EVs used to be considered, like this great thing you're doing.

Joe Rogan (24:58)

Well, they still are in.

Jeff Dye (24:59)

Unless it's a cybertruck.

Joe Rogan (25:00)

Unless it's a Tesla.

Jeff Dye (25:01)

I get flipped off every day.

Joe Rogan (25:04)

Really?

Jeff Dye (25:04)

In my cybertruck? Yeah. Every day.

Joe Rogan (25:06)

There's a video of this lady in New Jersey. She gets out of a cybertruck. Just gets out. She was a passenger. And this lady who's walking her dog goes, how's it feel to be racist? And she's like, what are you like, what are you talking about? She got a ride. She wasn't even driving. Someone dropped her off. She's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you're racist. You're in a cyber truck. You're racist. And she's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're. You're crazy.

Jeff Dye (25:28)

It blows my mind.

Joe Rogan (25:29)

Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers just to be a shithead. And that activity happens primarily on the left. Primarily. Like, you don't see that from the right. Like, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, hey, you fucking pussy.

Jeff Dye (26:01)

Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan (26:02)

What are you. You supporting fucking Iraq?

Jeff Dye (26:04)

Will you get out of our town.

Joe Rogan (26:06)

Isis, with your fucking bullshit fucking bumper sticker on. How's it feel to be an ISIS supporter? You don't get that ever, but you get that from the left. And I don't. I think it's the Trump thing. I think Trump was such a figure. Is such a figure of, like, an attack vector that they look at him.

Jeff Dye (26:26)

Like it's fun for them. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (26:28)

They have an enemy.

Jeff Dye (26:29)

Pies their brain at all times.

Joe Rogan (26:31)

They have an enemy.

Jeff Dye (26:32)

Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (26:33)

Like, Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcasts recently. Jimmy and the wife. And the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump. She says, like, if you vote for Trump, you're voting against my. Yeah, you're voting against my husband and my family. Like, what are you talking about?

Jeff Dye (26:48)

Well, I think that that's the big psyop. They've made everything racial. Everything is racial. And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist. Right. So when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered. So you go, oh, I don't really believe. Or I think Muslims are blank, whatever that sentence is. You go racist, and you go, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea. They go, oh, you're racist. So it's like. It's because it's so simple and it's so vague. And people love to keep vague things.

Joe Rogan (27:25)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (27:26)

Because then they can make their. I saw a comedian. I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it, but it's. That's why I won't say it. Not because I'm holding back names. Marilyn Rice Gibb or Rice Gibb or whatever her name is.

Joe Rogan (27:37)

I know Marilyn.

Jeff Dye (27:38)

Yeah, she used to be really nice to me. And then she used to be. Yeah, she. She got caught talking shit about me, and I DM'd her immediately. And then she's like. And, you know, I think she's a nice person.

Joe Rogan (27:50)

She's a very nice person.

Jeff Dye (27:51)

Yeah, she's nice. And people get caught up in that shit. I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where she was like. She was like, I'm texting with this Guy. And he said. She said, how are you? And he said, oh, I'm just really sad today about Charlie, but Charlie Kirk. And. And then she goes. And my hand was like, my phone was on fire. I was like, oh, like, what? And then the crowd laughed to her defense. Like, the. The lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said she was like, what part of his ideas did you find so gripping? What was it? His. Racist. She just started launching into, like, about how, like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote like a whole bit about it. And I was just. In my mind, I was like, I can't believe that this is her take. I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with. And I can't believe I'm in this town anymore. Like, it was like a moment for me where I was like, what am I? Am I insane?

Joe Rogan (29:04)

No.

Jeff Dye (29:05)

Like, that's what makes me. Those are the moments where you go, I think I'm the crazy person. There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it.

Joe Rogan (29:20)

You'Re gross to her and she wants to throw her phone away and she wants to go.

Jeff Dye (29:24)

And that's hilarious to everyone because the simple vagueness of race. You know, it's like this, this, this constant obsession with, you know, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York or you must be a racist or Islam. They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label her or put things in a thing.

Joe Rogan (29:47)

Well, there's. There's certainly cult like thinking involved in both the right and the left. There's. That's. It's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they're identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal. It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally that's never a good thing to just agree with, like a swath of predetermined ideas. Yeah. And one is that public assassinations are okay. And that they're not sad. They're sad no matter who it is.

Jeff Dye (30:29)

And I would say even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him and he was not. But even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things. You're happy that he got shot.

Joe Rogan (30:43)

Now the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a 30 odd six round to the neck, right publicly where people are cheering, that's crazy.

Jeff Dye (30:56)

And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That's how it always works. It's like, well, I go, well, why don't, why are you, why are you posting on social media that you, that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it? Just tell me simply why, why you think that. And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous, super vague. Didn't say the ideas, didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague.

Joe Rogan (31:21)

Well, there's also a problem with clips. When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are. And I think there were some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them and in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots, like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot because a person is blank, fill in the blank because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black or whatever it is. If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous. You've made a very dangerous thing, which is flying a little more dangerous. So his statement was because they're doing this and they're trying to get, they're using DEI to hire people. And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.

Jeff Dye (32:27)

Or he wonders, yeah, he said, I don't want, I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks, I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring.

Joe Rogan (32:36)

Correct. Right. That's. It's a problem in the way said it right. Instead of saying that that way because what. One of the things that I pointed out is that what dei, especially in regards to education, the people that discriminates the most against like people say it's a white supremacist idea to be against dei, the people that DEI discriminates the Most against in education is Asians because Asians fucking kill it in universities. They kill it. So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian. Because they work harder. It's a cultural thing. You know, I grew up in taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. And man, you haven't seen work ethic until you've seen first generation Koreans who come over to America. And you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That's a real thing.

Jeff Dye (33:47)

That's good.

Joe Rogan (33:48)

That is a fuck, I guess.

Jeff Dye (33:50)

Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects, it's good for getting. Not great for trauma and not great for those things, right? But if we're talking about the workforce or symphony, if.

Joe Rogan (33:59)

If it's just a meritocracy, if it's just a meritocracy, it's like, who is the best student, who is the best this, who's the best that? Yeah, it's good for that, you know, but it's like, it's the same thing. It was like trying to be a champion. Like you only redline for so long before you go crazy. And the. The lack of balance between pleasure and. And struggle and discipline and fun. You have to balance if you want to have a good life. And ultimately you're supposed to be enjoying your life. I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them. You have to earn them. But I do think you should have them too. And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, like my friend Jung Sik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion when we were kids. He was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast. He wasn't. He didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had. But that motherfucker worked so hard. Hard. He was in residency, okay, so he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day and for workouts. Sometimes he would take all his books, put him in his backpack and run upstairs at the school, just run upstairs at the university. And that's how you get some of his cardio in. And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training. We train at like 6 o' clock at night, 7 o' clock at night. And he would be just drained, but he would fucking just dig in and get to it, man. And it was just. It's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school, right? It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically. I don't do that with my kids. My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do, don't fuck off, you know, get. Get the things done that you're supposed to do. The. But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China? I don't know.

Jeff Dye (36:08)

You know, why the countries like America so much is because they realize, oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live, yes, you know, India or some of these other places, it's not a promise that they'll succeed and. But they love a capitalistic America where like, yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.

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Jeff Dye (38:01)

That's a problem.

Joe Rogan (38:02)

Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much. They're, they're, they get to work more. They're not the ones that are out there organizing signs, making signs. They're not doing that. They're fucking working. They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting. They fucking get to work. So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to, like, grievances. So they, they, you know, you can get away with being racist against them, right? And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, which is just crazy because it shows you're lying. You're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to, to fight for them. Like, if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud. And if you're on their side, you look good.

Jeff Dye (38:52)

If you defend, you're virtuous. Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan (38:55)

That's what it is. It's performative.

Jeff Dye (38:56)

I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but, like, it can these kind of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids, you know, like, I think about these things all day. But, like, I think about it with, like, in our, in our business, you know, like, there are so many women who complain, like, oh, no girls on the lineup or only two girls on the line. And I'm like, there's less of you. That's all it is. In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So, yes, it can feel like a boys club, because it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road or like, it is there fans being creepy with Creepy fans.

Joe Rogan (39:40)

They're different, like 100%.

Jeff Dye (39:41)

And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through, but if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's. There's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the improv and the Laugh Factory and the Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who you know, subjectively are very, very funny and subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they can't get any spots at these places because we need more women comics. I mean, we need more diverse lineups.

Joe Rogan (40:17)

They've literally said that we have too many white male comics.

Jeff Dye (40:19)

I've heard it my whole career.

Joe Rogan (40:21)

It's crazy. What's crazy?

Jeff Dye (40:23)

I was in Boston and there was this long line for this festival and all this not. It was to submit, like to do audition. It was during last comic standing times. So they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look how many people are here to try out for our festival or whatever. And someone came out and goes, listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different. And all of us just cut. Cuz Boston, we're all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit. Like what? Like, what does that imply? I don't know. I only know about my circumstances.

Joe Rogan (40:56)

Stupid.

Jeff Dye (40:57)

I can't have, I can't. One time my agent said to miss to me. He was talking bragging about one of his clients and he was like, jeff, listen man, like, you know, I got this one client, he's handsome, he's. His parents are deaf, you know, he's black. He's got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry. I think you're gonna have to like reinvent yourself or something. I was like, I can't make things up. Like, I don't know what to tell you.

Joe Rogan (41:21)

That's just. I'm a white guy. Just Hollywood.

Jeff Dye (41:24)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (41:24)

And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like in the mothership. It's a meritocracy. And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse. Yeah, you got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people. And the one thing that people keep saying about the, the comedy mothership is, oh, it's a right Wing comedy club. The vast majority of comics at my club are left wing. The vast majority.

Jeff Dye (41:51)

Yeah. No, I can.

Joe Rogan (41:52)

They're artists.

Jeff Dye (41:53)

Personally vouch for that. Yeah, yeah, but they're reasonable lefties.

Joe Rogan (41:56)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (41:56)

They're kind people who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human. That's a great.

Joe Rogan (42:05)

We should all aspire to that. And that's what we aspire to at that club. Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit ideologically, one side or the other. It's not supposed to be about that. It's supposed to be about the art form. And, you know, there's shit. A lot of my fucking friends are like, far left. I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool? Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that. But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide, you're. You have a different ideology than me, so you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being. It's weak. It's. It's simple. It's. You're. You're doing something that's just too convenient, and you're doing it because, you know, to be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons. Because we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

Jeff Dye (42:54)

Yeah. Like, I am a Christian.

Joe Rogan (42:57)

Right.

Jeff Dye (42:57)

I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act, I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies. I've never once gone. I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith. Right. Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males. I've heard every. And I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

Joe Rogan (43:32)

But that's why you're doing well.

Jeff Dye (43:34)

Right. And I'm now. And I am.

Joe Rogan (43:36)

But you're doing well because you became undeniable.

Jeff Dye (43:38)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (43:39)

And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy, is that if you kill. If the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience.

Jeff Dye (43:47)

Right.

Joe Rogan (43:47)

And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is they've. I've done all the Right things. And no one comes to see me because you forgot the one thing.

Jeff Dye (43:55)

You might have been doing the right thing.

Joe Rogan (43:56)

You forgot the one thing. Be funny.

Jeff Dye (43:58)

That's it.

Joe Rogan (43:58)

You fell into all the easy st. All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group. All the group think all the fucking chant all the right stuff, say all the right things. Say things that don't even make sense.

Jeff Dye (44:10)

Right. But so that you appear. Well, that's what I'm saying is that like that's second I got passed at the Comedy Store. Multiple comics went to the, to the booker and was like he shouldn't be here. Do you. He does jokes about gay people and he does jokes about. Yes, yeah, yeah, I do. Guess what? And they kill. And I get laughs. And I'm. But again I'm, you can still come up to me and talk to me and like I'm, I'm not. I, I like everybody. I like trans people. I have a plenty of gay friends. I, I, I.

Joe Rogan (44:40)

You know, you may have jokes about straight people too though. And you are one of them.

Jeff Dye (44:44)

That's the thing. It's also fun to be naughty, isn't it? Yeah. I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act, you know. And so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that like I feel like I've never once gone, I can't talk to someone because of their stand up comedy. I'm not gonna go to the improv and go, Marilyn Rice Gibbs shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk and I was offended.

Joe Rogan (45:07)

I bet if you had a conversation with her about an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (45:13)

Because people are people and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, I can't be in the same room. That's what cult people think.

Joe Rogan (45:24)

Also, if you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said. Right. And some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds. He was a very kind person.

Jeff Dye (45:36)

100.

Joe Rogan (45:36)

The problem is you don't look kind when there's clips and the clips show which saying something.

Jeff Dye (45:41)

Aren't you afraid of that?

Joe Rogan (45:42)

Yeah. Oh yeah. And you listen. I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.

Jeff Dye (45:52)

So does he.

Joe Rogan (45:54)

Yeah. But in a different way where people are listening to me having these three hour conversations. It's like it's kind of hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention. And it's just the, it's also the, the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world, right? Like, it's like there's enough people that have seen so many shows that, like, I know who that guy is. That's not who that guy is.

Jeff Dye (46:16)

I think you're giving them a lot of grace because you have to. Because, like, people. Are you afraid of AI? No, not afraid of AI. What I'm afraid of is clips, short context things even. Recently I did Howie Mandel's podcast and I got asked for the millionth time about the Marc Maron thing. And, and I was like, what, dude? The good part of that Marc Maron story is that we buried it. I think, who knows? It'll rear its head again, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan (46:43)

Not with that guy. There's no burying.

Jeff Dye (46:44)

I know, but like, I was like, how about that story? Tell that story, Howie. That we shook hands at the Comedy Store and were able to share a stage and not stage, but share the. A room full of stages. And it just. Howie's. Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing. So, you know, all the comments are like, Jeff Dahl, I can't stop talking about Mark Maron again. And like, that's what I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of. Or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. This, this short, real thing that is out of context. It's not a three hour conversation. No one's listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk. And long form, the people that were informed did. But I'm saying them, the. The everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts, right? And then forming a group think about those excerpts and the group think becomes their reality.

Joe Rogan (47:35)

That's very true.

Jeff Dye (47:36)

And I'm afraid of that for you.

Joe Rogan (47:38)

Yeah, that's true in some ways, but it also benefits you in some ways too. It's like there's good and bad. Like there's little things that you'll say that are funny, that make it into clips, and that's good too. It's like the thing. Like, I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you. They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show. Do it. You don't worry about it and don't care.

Jeff Dye (48:08)

Yeah, you can't, you know, write a book on that.

Joe Rogan (48:11)

It's.

Jeff Dye (48:12)

Teach me how to not care.

Joe Rogan (48:13)

You just got to get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like, it's not gonna affect you. You know what I mean? Like, but that's. If you. But you. If you're in that position where I'm in that kind of sort of. You're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person. It's your duty to not care. It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be. When you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and, like, defend it and push everybody down. You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be. Be supportive. Try to help other people's careers. Try to promote them. Tell everybody how cool they are. Tell everybody how funny they are. Tell everybody good things that, you know, instead of complaining all the time about. About everything, find cool shit and inform people about it. Tell people cool shit that you've seen cool restaurants, you've been to cool music, you've listened to cool people you met. Do that. That's what I try to do. And that. That's my. I. That is my obligation, I think, as in having the Top podcast, You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody. Sure, yeah. This. And don't. Don't care as much. Don't care as much about haters. You're going to have haters. The idea that you're not going to have people that hate you is crazy. Fucking. You could get, like, the. One of the things that I know from mma, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime. There's going to be guys coming up that say, he ain't shit. I'll fuck him up. I'll take him out in one round. It's all. There's always that. He's got no defense, he's got no chin, he's got no heart. He's only good when he's winning. As soon as it gets turned on him, he's going to fold. There's always someone talking, and if you live your life constantly responding to those people, it's a. It's a waste of that 100. That 100 units of attention and focus that you have. You gotta protect that. Yeah, you gotta guard that 100 units, man. Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube and it's never.

Jeff Dye (50:14)

In real life for me.

Joe Rogan (50:16)

Right.

Jeff Dye (50:16)

It's never in real life.

Joe Rogan (50:18)

Well, that's the problem.

Jeff Dye (50:18)

I have to open this.

Joe Rogan (50:20)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (50:21)

Before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, why? Yeah, this fucking dump. And then I. And then I. I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks. I've got my coffee, I'm seeing dogs, I'm seeing hot chicks. I'm in my barista's like, hey, what's up, Jeff?

Joe Rogan (50:35)

Like, I've friends, beautiful weather.

Jeff Dye (50:37)

Yeah. Wherever I go, like, because I go to the same spots and I never. I talk to everyone. So, like, I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that community is the best or whatever, like in my little community. But then I turn on my phone, you know, you seen this old bomb baba do me guy? He's a Muslim. He's gonna ruin New York.

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Jeff Dye (51:42)

Start going, yeah, yeah, what the hell's.

Joe Rogan (51:44)

Going on with this? I think New York is due for a little socialist wake up call.

Jeff Dye (51:48)

Oh, yeah, they'll. They'll wake up these things.

Joe Rogan (51:51)

They're gonna have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

Jeff Dye (51:56)

Don't you think New York deserves true?

Joe Rogan (51:58)

Is that true? Find out if that number's true. Because here's the problem with those kind of things. It's like right wing people post stuff like that, and you're like, is that real? You know, are they really gonna defund the police? Are they really gonna. You know, I am buying a house here. Are you in Texas? Yep. Yeehaw.

Jeff Dye (52:14)

Yeah, like about 30, 40 minutes from here.

Joe Rogan (52:16)

Nice. Yeah. You already locked on it?

Jeff Dye (52:18)

No, but I'm shopping for houses. On Wednesday. Oh, tomorrow.

Joe Rogan (52:22)

I got a good lady, if you need to. If you need one. She's the best.

Jeff Dye (52:25)

I have a chick who's pretty good. She's like the number one in Arizona.

Joe Rogan (52:28)

She's. Arizona's not Texas.

Jeff Dye (52:30)

I know, but she has all these contacts also. I just know her.

Joe Rogan (52:33)

Okay.

Jeff Dye (52:34)

So that.

Joe Rogan (52:34)

Okay. It's good to be loyal. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (52:36)

And she found a bunch of good stuff.

Joe Rogan (52:39)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (52:40)

About 40 minutes from here.

Joe Rogan (52:41)

Well, that's good too. 40 minutes from here. Out, like Tripping Springs area. It's quiet.

Jeff Dye (52:45)

That's what I want.

Joe Rogan (52:46)

I want at night, you hear?

Jeff Dye (52:49)

I want to go to a lake. You know, be able to, like. I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing and this I could be guilty of. Of being a victim of, like, what I'm absorbing in my algorithm. But, like, Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me and I'm. I'm. I don't want to be a part of it.

Joe Rogan (53:10)

Yeah. He wants to run the whole country too. Pretty wild.

Jeff Dye (53:15)

And those fires were quite a wake up call for even if you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

Joe Rogan (53:22)

It was not competent, that's for sure.

Jeff Dye (53:24)

Even the aftermath.

Joe Rogan (53:25)

Yeah. And was not competent. The. The conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land. And that's what I'm talking. It's like, what do you.

Jeff Dye (53:36)

Well, we'll make a smart town. You're like, that's kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.

Joe Rogan (53:41)

See, when he's doing a little dance.

Jeff Dye (53:42)

I know.

Joe Rogan (53:42)

In front of burnt houses, that is. Are you a sociopath? Because that's how sociopaths behave. They're not like, totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground. Did 5,000 people resign? I don't think they say they threatened to resign. There's no credible evidence of 5,000 peace officers resigned. Okay. Why don't you say, did they threaten to resign?

Jamie (54:04)

I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers.

Joe Rogan (54:07)

Oh, okay. In perplexity, it says, Did 5,000 people resign? No. What actually happened? Official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout. While police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition. See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officers. I didn't see any that said resign. I said I saw something that said are threatening to resign. Go back to where I was reading at once. Have been debunked as rumors or satire. NYPD has about 30,000, 33,745 uniform officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year. So it's like maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys, a lot of guys are threatening to resign.

Jeff Dye (55:00)

Well, I mean that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers. Like it's not a fun time to be a police officer for the last, like, like pre Black Lives Matter. I knew, I know a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their like Christmas thing at the lapd. Great audience members you want to talk about good audience members. Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life. Very good audience members.

Joe Rogan (55:25)

They could take a joke.

Jeff Dye (55:26)

Yeah. Oh great. Taking jokes. And they need to see the humor in life. You know, like they're like, they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real. But that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, hey, you know, I'm, I'm a police. Like, and I'm like, what's with this embarrassment? Like, why are you, why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like, whisper it. Yeah, why we should. I like cops. I think that they're great. They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day. Anytime you've ever had to call a cop, it's not a great day. It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they, they feel, they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power hungry bad guys. And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what's going on. So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening. Same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want, they go, I'm going to move. They make those kind of threats.

Joe Rogan (56:39)

Some people do move.

Jeff Dye (56:40)

Yeah, some people do. A lot of rich guys are really getting out. I respect Ros Nellen for that. Don't you respect that? Every celebrity says they're gonna Leave. Well, it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote. And now that you're living in Ireland. But at least they said what they were gonna do.

Joe Rogan (56:54)

You live in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either.

Jeff Dye (56:57)

Because they're like, yeah, exactly. Well, that's true. But at least they left.

Joe Rogan (57:01)

Move to a new place in England.

Jeff Dye (57:03)

Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.

Joe Rogan (57:05)

That's true. Yeah. There's always a lot of that. A lot of people said they're going to move to Canada. Great. Good luck with that.

Jeff Dye (57:10)

But now you're just America light.

Joe Rogan (57:12)

Well, you're America communist.

Jeff Dye (57:14)

Now Canada's n. But now you're like still reliant on America.

Joe Rogan (57:19)

I know sat that I wanted to look up that I just read. I put this in a perplexity. 1 out of 20 deaths. Last year I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true. That can't be true.

Jeff Dye (57:35)

Where'd you see it?

Joe Rogan (57:36)

Because Keno, Canada has an assisted suicide program. A national assisted suicide program. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (57:42)

Could you imagine if there's some corruption in that?

Joe Rogan (57:44)

Well, crap. There's corruption in everything, Jeff. Everything. This corruption of religion. Right. There's corruption in science, there's corruption in.

Jeff Dye (57:56)

Medicine, which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know? Oh, I won't even question if I was if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, that's so stupid.

Joe Rogan (58:07)

Well, yeah. It's accurate for Canada. Wow. In America just yet. It's Canada. Yeah. Put. Let me see this.

Jeff Dye (58:16)

A lot in it.

Joe Rogan (58:17)

Put those show the perplexity. Look at this. This is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as maid, also as known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada. That's wild. That is so crazy.

Jeff Dye (58:36)

How do we get more specific? Like what would be an example of like.

Joe Rogan (58:39)

We'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so fucking insane. 1 out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide. How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to, they could have had an ibogaine journey. Maybe they could have have done something differently with their life to get them out of depression. How many of them have could. Could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition. So what are the conditions? Does it. Did you put that in there?

Jamie (59:15)

Average age of them is 70 77. So they're actually old.

Joe Rogan (59:20)

Yeah, that is old. But however, you know, my mom's 80, she's great, you know, like what, what, what's going on? Yeah, she doesn't want to like what?

Jeff Dye (59:29)

But what is it?

Joe Rogan (59:29)

Are you not interested just because you're 77? Are you not enjoying life? Or is it, is it 1 out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness and I am being short sighted because I'm not think I'm there like going to die soon anyway. They choose to die on their own? Is that the case?

Jamie (59:46)

Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable and track two is not reasonably for natural death.

Joe Rogan (59:53)

Right. So track two recipients. This is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese. Some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease. So what are the parameters? Let's put this. Ask a follow up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualified for MAID in Canada? Yeah, let's just ask that.

Jeff Dye (60:19)

How do you qualify for me?

Joe Rogan (60:20)

Because if it's just you're depressed, that's scary. That's crazy.

Jeff Dye (60:23)

Right? And very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, I'm done with my fight, please help me. Right? Is what track one is. That's on my track two.

Joe Rogan (60:35)

Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay. That's normal. Voluntary request informed consent. Have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person. But that's the key word, the key phrase there. Acceptable to the person is interesting. Be in advanced state of irreversible decline in capability. Okay, are people with depression. Just write severe. Are people with severe depression eligible for maid? Write that. Severe depression. Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease. Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything.

Jeff Dye (61:30)

I can't spell anything ever. I never have been.

Joe Rogan (61:32)

Jamie, you're rolling the dice with eligible. You're an animal. In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental ill not eligible for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027. However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous Grievous. Grievous or irremediable. Boy, that's a word. Have you ever said that word, irremediable? Irremediable. I've never said that word physical, but I've never even seen that. Irremediable. Physical health condition that meets maids criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. When maid for mental illness becomes. Becomes legal. They say it like it will.

Jeff Dye (62:33)

27Th, March.

Joe Rogan (62:34)

Oh, okay. That's what I'd read. Okay. This was the issue that. So they were going to. Okay. The law excludes eligibility for maid on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027. So there's a year and a few months, and then these people are eligible for this as of severe depression alone does not qualify. So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well, it's the end of their life. And they're like, I'd like to go out on my own terms. I don't want to just walk into a library with a 44 and make people clean up.

Jeff Dye (63:08)

Or they go, I'm a financial burden on my family.

Joe Rogan (63:10)

Right.

Jeff Dye (63:11)

Or those kind of things.

Joe Rogan (63:11)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (63:12)

When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that, like, ah, my kids.

Joe Rogan (63:15)

That's true. And also sometimes people like, one of their loved ones dies and they don't want to be alone. They can't. They've been with this person for 45 years.

Jeff Dye (63:23)

My dad just died and my mom is not doing great with. She's been with him since she was 17.

Joe Rogan (63:28)

It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then. And it was just like the. The grief was just intolerable.

Jeff Dye (63:38)

Yeah. And she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively. I don't know. I don't know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not. Not himself for the last, like, year. And so when he passed, my mom did feel a little relief. Like, you know. Yeah. I'm kind of his caretaker.

Joe Rogan (63:59)

Right, Right.

Jeff Dye (64:00)

And so then feel guilt about the. About the relief, you know? You know, I don't want to feel relieved that someone that I'm. That I've known my whole life is gone. And then now trying to mourn that, you know, it's very, very complicated.

Joe Rogan (64:12)

And it's real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines.

Jeff Dye (64:18)

The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of even an eating disorder is. Is, you know, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or these. Like, something as simple as that. Yeah, those people are saints that can work with absolutely anybody cognitively or, like, any kind of, like, dysphoria. Like, that's. That's. I mean, I. Those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it. I'm very, like, direct. I'm very, like, want to have a good time. Like, I'm not good at being. Like, how. Don't you see this?

Joe Rogan (64:47)

Apparently some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's. One of them. One of those dementia or Alzheimer's was the supplement of. Of supplementation with selenium. See if they can find what that is. That's one of those things I glanced at quickly, and I was like, I better remember.

Jeff Dye (65:06)

I probably shouldn't say this on here, but there's a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with, and her mom had some sort of dementia or something like this, and she gave. Their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended. It was shock therapy. And it worked. Really? It works for now, I guess, like, at least, like, they're all going, wait, now she's saying, didn't you just come over last week? And we talked about that? Like, she's having things like. I. That's why I'm saying. I don't know if I should say it on here, because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

Joe Rogan (65:45)

Yeah. It's funny, because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing. Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy?

Jeff Dye (65:54)

Right?

Joe Rogan (65:54)

And I said, I don't know much about that.

Jeff Dye (65:57)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (65:57)

You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like, you hear about the horror stories. I don't know.

Jeff Dye (66:01)

Right.

Joe Rogan (66:01)

One Flew over the Cuckoo snacks.

Jeff Dye (66:03)

Those are lobotomies, though.

Joe Rogan (66:04)

Yeah. I think that was a shock therapy thing.

Jeff Dye (66:06)

Oh, I thought those were lobotomies.

Joe Rogan (66:08)

Well, might be. It might be those.

Jeff Dye (66:10)

We've all agreed. Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out.

Jamie (66:14)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (66:15)

Because those guys wanted money.

Joe Rogan (66:16)

The, like, I think the year I was born or the year before I was born, they stopped doing them.

Jeff Dye (66:22)

I heard all these stories about there would be, like, people who would still, you know, on the fringes of it because they. They didn't want to, like, shut down their practice. So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you. These.

Joe Rogan (66:33)

This an abortion.

Jeff Dye (66:35)

Yeah. And they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lobotomies. But we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it.

Joe Rogan (66:42)

Lobotomy, is it?

Jeff Dye (66:43)

Am I saying, dude, you know what, Joe?

Joe Rogan (66:47)

For.

Jeff Dye (66:47)

For a big part of my life, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy.

Joe Rogan (66:50)

Hold on.

Jamie (66:51)

What did you just say the movie was Shock therapy?

Joe Rogan (66:53)

Yeah, it was.

Jeff Dye (66:53)

No, it was. And the Sarah Bell's palsy. Yes. We're watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy, my friend. No one laughed, no one left. Which is a good comedy note is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it.

Joe Rogan (67:11)

But if you say it around comedians.

Jeff Dye (67:13)

Well, I said around a bunch of people watching football, like, it looks like he's got a Sarah Bell's palsy. And everyone just looked at me. And then my friend Katie's like, did you say Sarah bells? And I was like, wasn't that what it is? She's like, cerebral palsy. And I was like, I don't know.

Jamie (67:24)

I've never seen the movie, so I don't know how it ended. It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized.

Joe Rogan (67:29)

Right.

Jeff Dye (67:29)

The Big Chief guy was lobotomized.

Joe Rogan (67:32)

That's the part of the big.

Jeff Dye (67:33)

The big boy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (67:34)

Oh, so he was lobotomized. But was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?

Jeff Dye (67:38)

They were just in a cuckoo house.

Joe Rogan (67:39)

Yeah, but at the end.

Jamie (67:41)

Shock therapy here, Right?

Joe Rogan (67:43)

They did shock therapy, but remember at the end he was, like, totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too. Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn't it like 67? Please.

Jeff Dye (67:56)

Lobotomy.

Joe Rogan (67:57)

Lobotomies. When they stopped doing lobotomies.

Jeff Dye (68:01)

This is a thing I have.

Joe Rogan (68:03)

What year was it?

Jeff Dye (68:04)

I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about.

Joe Rogan (68:08)

You know, it's fun. Yeah. 1.

Jamie (68:09)

The one doctor did almost all of them. What, one third of them?

Jeff Dye (68:13)

That's a lot.

Joe Rogan (68:14)

How many did he do?

Jeff Dye (68:16)

How rich was he? Let's say, what was his net worth?

Joe Rogan (68:18)

He had a nice Mercedes.

Jeff Dye (68:20)

I bet he had a huge treatment.

Joe Rogan (68:21)

Yeah.

Jamie (68:21)

One third of his 3, 500 lobotomies were successful and 490 resulted in fatalities.

Jeff Dye (68:27)

Wait, hold on.

Joe Rogan (68:28)

He killed 490 people.

Jeff Dye (68:31)

Which ones were successful? What does that mean?

Joe Rogan (68:35)

Billy just drools now he doesn't the dog.

Jeff Dye (68:37)

He's not annoying us with his, what? You know, undiagnosed autism. Now he's like. Now he just sits there. It's not successful.

Joe Rogan (68:46)

Hey, he doesn't the dog anymore. It's a success. That's the guy. Oh, that creepy looking psycho.

Jeff Dye (68:52)

Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan (68:53)

Jesus Christ. That's how they did it. They went right through the eyeball.

Jeff Dye (68:56)

I thought they went through the nose.

Joe Rogan (68:57)

No, they go through the Netherwood.

Jamie (68:58)

They could do both problems probably. There's one thing.

Jeff Dye (69:01)

Oh, there's the nose. That's the one.

Joe Rogan (69:02)

I knew they do both ways. Through the nose, through the eyeball. God damn it. And at the end, look, he's happy.

Jeff Dye (69:09)

Oh, I thought he's giving a thumbs up. I thought he was going, hell yeah. I feel great.

Joe Rogan (69:14)

Imagine if they just scrambled it a little. So it's like you're just on ecstasy all day. We. I love everybody.

Jeff Dye (69:21)

I will say, the first time I did mushrooms, I was like. Because my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want. It's not like cocaine or. Or e or anything. You're not gonna. You're not gonna become like addicted to mushrooms. You're gonna want to do mushrooms every day. And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and.

Joe Rogan (69:36)

I was like, you guys were wrong.

Jeff Dye (69:37)

And they're like, what? I go, I just want to feel like this all the time.

Jamie (69:40)

Like.

Jeff Dye (69:40)

Like you lost your mind. Like, this is the. This is the right state of being for me. Like, yeah, it's the best.

Joe Rogan (69:46)

It should be legal.

Jeff Dye (69:47)

It's the best drug.

Joe Rogan (69:48)

It's better at making people better people than anything.

Jeff Dye (69:51)

Yes. All I wanted to do and still since then is like, like, let's just talk and connect and like, let. Let's find a way.

Joe Rogan (69:59)

Let's be nice.

Jeff Dye (69:59)

Yeah. Let's be good. Let's be nice to each other.

Jamie (70:01)

Nobel Prize for the.

Joe Rogan (70:04)

Not the same doctor, but a different doctor.

Jeff Dye (70:06)

Okay, wait.

Joe Rogan (70:07)

Nobel Prize that make people go ahead.

Jamie (70:09)

And get it right.

Joe Rogan (70:10)

So they started getting him in 35 and then 49. Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it. And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one third of them.

Jamie (70:18)

Yeah, he made it a 10 minute procedure.

Joe Rogan (70:20)

Nice. In and out. Nice. You come in, you got an appointment at noon. Come in at 11. I'll be drooling in the parking lot at 11:35.

Jeff Dye (70:30)

It's like a Chiropractor, just come in, we'll get the.

Joe Rogan (70:32)

Yeah, we'll snap it.

Jeff Dye (70:33)

You'll be at Chipotle in no time.

Joe Rogan (70:35)

I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.

Jeff Dye (70:38)

Oh, really?

Joe Rogan (70:39)

There's been a ton of those stories.

Jeff Dye (70:40)

Do you ever go to them? You're a body guy and that's it?

Joe Rogan (70:42)

No, I don't go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say I'm a doctor?

Jeff Dye (70:50)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (70:51)

They don't go to medical school for three seconds.

Jeff Dye (70:53)

That's why I hate all those arguments of authority. You're not a scientist. You're not. It's like. Well, neither they kinda.

Joe Rogan (70:58)

But like something invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook who learned about it in a seance. He was a complete kook. And then he was killed by his son, who was a con man. His son ran him over with a car. And then his son took over the business and that's the. And then it got grandfathered in.

Jeff Dye (71:17)

Then he won a Nobel peace, but.

Joe Rogan (71:19)

He got grandfathered in. So. But here's the thing. Thing. Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits, like manipulating tissue. I get a trigger point massage. Really painful, but it's very effective. There's real benefits to it. So there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover. But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts. The initial claims, it's going to cure leukemia, thyroid, cancer. Just going to adjust your back. It's a C4, C5 disconnection pop. And then they grab you and yank your neck.

Jeff Dye (71:59)

And it's so scary.

Joe Rogan (72:00)

And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops. You have a fucking stroke.

Jeff Dye (72:07)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (72:07)

And that's not happened just once. It's happened a bunch of times.

Jeff Dye (72:11)

I grew up playing video games too, where I. And watching all these action movies, you know, And I thought that just twisting a guy's head, like, you know, like you kill him. You think that's all it took? You know, like I snuck up behind that guy in the video game and just. That's all I did. Meanwhile, chiropractors, he's doing all, all day do it.

Joe Rogan (72:26)

You ever seen him do it to babies?

Jeff Dye (72:27)

No.

Joe Rogan (72:28)

Oh my God, it's so crazy. People that are like Full on nuts. Have their babies brought to a chiropractor. And the chiropractor is adjusting the baby's skull and moving the baby. Like, yo.

Jeff Dye (72:39)

Your parental ideas of, like, they're all scrapped. Like, you're supposed to keep it safe. The idea of handing it to a chiropractor, it.

Joe Rogan (72:47)

They believe it, and so they think they're doing a good thing.

Jeff Dye (72:49)

Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things up?

Joe Rogan (72:52)

Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye (72:52)

Jamie, can you bring up some dog chiropractors? Oh, I've seen this. Yeah. And the dogs look at the chiropractor, like, what'd you just do? But also, I do feel a little bit better. The dog's so sweet about it. Like, I think I'm good, actually.

Joe Rogan (73:06)

You got to get the right dog.

Jeff Dye (73:06)

A lot of pit bulls because they're all strong and. And so, like, they'll just adopt it. Yeah. I've seen, like, montages of it, and it's pretty adorable.

Joe Rogan (73:15)

Why is he gonna do this dog's neck? Please don't. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Jeff Dye (73:20)

And look at the dog looking up at him.

Joe Rogan (73:21)

I don't think you need to do that to that dog. I don't think that's necessary.

Jeff Dye (73:25)

Watch this. Look, the way he looks at him.

Joe Rogan (73:26)

But here's the thing. Like, what studies are they showing where this is all good? That's a Belgian Malinois, bro.

Jeff Dye (73:32)

I can't hear it, but it does.

Joe Rogan (73:34)

I don't want to hear it. It's. I don't. I don't know if that does anything. I don't know if that's good. I think if you got your dog a massage, it'd be really good for them. But I think all that snapping of the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile? Well, if that's the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage. I have this thing.

Jeff Dye (73:54)

I've been doing this. My friend's dogs, and they've been loving it.

Joe Rogan (73:56)

I put this thing on my neck. I'm like, don't do that. You're gonna get a. I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin. It's got a. Like a rope.

Jeff Dye (74:04)

Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan (74:05)

A hoop that hangs on my chin up bar. And I just.

Jeff Dye (74:08)

I've seen them advertise it because you use it.

Joe Rogan (74:10)

Oh, there you go. Yeah. Look at this. He's giving his dog a back crack.

Jeff Dye (74:16)

Oh, bro, that's the camel's clutch, dude.

Joe Rogan (74:19)

The dog is sweet. He's letting you do Your nonsense, dude.

Jeff Dye (74:22)

This guy.

Joe Rogan (74:22)

Dogs just love getting rubbed.

Jeff Dye (74:23)

That's all it is. Yeah, that's all petting is kind of.

Joe Rogan (74:26)

A massage, you know, that's what they love. They love massages. They don't have to pretend they don't. You love massages, too.

Jeff Dye (74:31)

Everybody does. We don't have to ask them about that. They like it.

Joe Rogan (74:33)

If we were like, dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them.

Jeff Dye (74:36)

Yeah, it'd be fun.

Joe Rogan (74:37)

You come over my house, dude, Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub them.

Jeff Dye (74:40)

That's my favorite thing about dogs.

Joe Rogan (74:42)

He assumes you want to rub his belly.

Jeff Dye (74:43)

Yeah, dogs don't go. This guy's probably a. Who do you vote for? The dogs aren't ever, like, worried. My dog go up to, like, a homeless dude.

Joe Rogan (74:52)

Don't care what's up, homeless guy.

Jeff Dye (74:53)

Yeah, it's like he loves them.

Joe Rogan (74:54)

Yeah, they're. They're the best, but we don't deserve them. But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor. But people that think that you should bring your doctor, it's because they believe in the chiropractors. There's a great article called Chiropractors are Bullshit. Pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast, and she. I read the article, and then I had her explain it to me. Yeah, it was back in la, and I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing. I thought they were doctors.

Jeff Dye (75:20)

Yeah, I went to one of those ones. It's called the joint. And, you know, you can just, like, you can just walk in and they'll do it. And this is. I think a lot of it for me was placebo. Like, I just thought, like, oh, they told me this is good for me. So I'm doing it. You know, I wasn't having pain or anything.

Joe Rogan (75:34)

Eve Detrament is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article. But it's. It's crazy.

Jeff Dye (75:40)

I like the title.

Joe Rogan (75:41)

It's a crazy.

Jeff Dye (75:41)

Very direct.

Joe Rogan (75:42)

When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts. Because it's one of those things. It's just grandfathered in. And if you're allowed to be doctor, like, we should be doctors of comedy. Would you like to be Dr. Jeff?

Jeff Dye (75:53)

Jeff, MD.

Joe Rogan (75:54)

Dude, yeah. I'm.

Jeff Dye (75:55)

Oh, wait, not MD. What would it be?

Joe Rogan (75:56)

But you're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine. Sure. So I think we should get doctors of Comedy. Maybe we should do that, like, as a mothership. Just start Handing out doctorates of comedy.

Jeff Dye (76:06)

That'S how you get past kind of.

Joe Rogan (76:07)

You get, you headline, you do your first theater tour, I'll give you a doctorate.

Jeff Dye (76:11)

I worked under Ron White, and then I got my.

Joe Rogan (76:13)

I mentored under Ron White. Exactly. Ron White was patient zero here because Ron moved out here before the pandemic.

Jeff Dye (76:21)

Really?

Joe Rogan (76:21)

Yeah. He's the reason why I decided to move out here, because, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever. And knowing him from the Comedy Store, he was always like, one of the coolest guys to hang out with. Dude, he's the best. And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he's moving to Texas. I go, what. What are you doing? You're here. Don't go, this is nuts. He's like, oh, it's the best. He goes, I'll keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this place is. The food's the best, the people are nice. If I want to fly, I'm in the middle.

Jeff Dye (76:51)

Right.

Joe Rogan (76:51)

It's three hours here. Three hours. And I was like, damn, he's got a good point. So when the started getting weird in LA and they were burning cop cars on. On the freeway, that's when daddy was like, I gotta get out of here.

Jeff Dye (77:02)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (77:02)

You know, because. So I. My kids are little, you know, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous. And we all agreed, like, it just doesn't feel right. I don't feel like they're gonna open this up. I think this is. Let's get the out of here.

Jeff Dye (77:16)

It's not like you're an actor.

Joe Rogan (77:17)

Exactly. Right, exactly.

Jeff Dye (77:19)

I was like, you acted, but you weren't an actor.

Joe Rogan (77:21)

I wasn't interested in doing it anymore. I. And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway, and I was like, I'll figure it out. I'll do Zoom Calls. I don't want to do this.

Jeff Dye (77:30)

Right.

Joe Rogan (77:31)

I don't want to live here. I want to live my life. I'd be happy making less money and. And doing it somewhere else. And maybe it's not as good.

Jeff Dye (77:38)

Have you thought about making other motherships as we did?

Joe Rogan (77:41)

We have. We've talked about where. We talked about New York, we've talked about Vegas.

Jeff Dye (77:45)

What about Florida?

Joe Rogan (77:46)

We've talked. Here's the thing. To do it correct. I mean, this is just like, based on what we've done in Austin. What we did in Austin is a once in a lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light. Every green light. Along the way, we got in the right spot. So, like, the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Egot, and I've been friends with Adam Egat from back when he was. He was running the Improv in Tempe. So that's when I knew him. I knew him from back then. And then he came to California and he started working at the Comedy Store when I had already been banned. So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven year exodus, and he came to meet me at the Improv.

Jeff Dye (78:29)

They showed you, by the way, what comedy started banning you. They really showed you.

Joe Rogan (78:34)

So he came to meet me at the Improv. He's like, dude, come back. It's, you know, I'm there now. I'm the talent coordinator. And I thought about it and then I wound up coming back because of Ari. Because, you know, Ari Shaffir is one of my closest friends and he was filming his special there. And I had known Ari since he was a doorman. I knew him when he was a doorman there, and now he's filming a special. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I have to be there. I have to be there for him. And I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn't been there in seven years and, you know, it was super friendly, hugged everybody. It was great. And then, and then I saw Ari and Ari killed. And the special was awesome. And it was just such a. It was such a happy moment to see him, like, accomplish this thing. Going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special while he's also doing a show on Comedy Central. That's what he's doing. This is not happening.

Jeff Dye (79:31)

Yeah, I was on that.

Joe Rogan (79:32)

So it was like, I had to come back. So that. That was 2014 and becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the improv, like, knowing him from back in the day, and then becoming friends with him when he was the Cal coordinator. We talked about, like, what are the problems with running a club? Like, what is the problems with, like, people telling you, oh, you have to have more this on your show or more that on your show, or you're problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that. I'm like, it's got to be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good. David Tell's never complaining about diversity. You know what I'm saying? It's like, the people that are complaining, generally, they're mediocre at best. And he was like, you're right. I go, but you can't give in to them because there's a lot of them and they yell and they, you know, they make it seem like it's a big deal. But the big deal is laughs. Being. Doing good comedy, being. Having an original idea, being funny. Here's the world through my eyes. This is how I've crafted it for you. That's all it is. Everything else is a fucking distraction. And we both agreed on that. And so wouldn't the Comedy Store shut down? And then I moved out here. There was a, like, a long time where I was like, I don't know what to do. Like, do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast? Like, no one's doing comedy. It was months and months of no comedy. And then Dave and I started doing shows at Stubbs. So Dave was like, I want to do a show at Stubbs. Let's do, like, a residency there. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do it. So he and I did, like, we had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together. And so the Stubbs thing came along, and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this. All right, we're doing this now, and I guess we're doing comedy again. And then. Then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan. And the Vulcan is indoor, and it's loud and it's rowdy, and it was naughty. Like, it was crazy. You doing a November 2020 indoor show, punk rock. And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here. Then everything. Then everything got weird, and I was like, whoa. We got like, Tom Segura moved here. Duncan Trussell moved here. Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. Derek Poston moved here. Asana Mod moved here. I'm like, we got a crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dillon came. It was like, over and over again. Joe DeRosa came, Shane Gillis came. It was like. And so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, like, it feels better here. Like, the scene feels more alive because the LA was still shut down. And so then Ron White basically, like, grabbed me by the shoulders one night after he hadn't done stand up in, like, six months. And he grabs me, goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. You got to open up a club. I'm like, we're going to open up a club.

Jeff Dye (82:16)

Let's go. Let's do it.

Joe Rogan (82:18)

And then that's how it all started. But we had to hit every light. Like, Adam had to be out of a job. All the people that we got from the Comedy Store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people. They all had to be out of a job. So the Comedy Store had to be closed. Otherwise, why would you leave the Comedy Store? It's the greatest place on Earth.

Jeff Dye (82:32)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (82:32)

So then it was like everything else had to be closed down so the comics knew that they could do standup in Texas. And so, like, well, let's just go to Texas. And it just. People decided, I like doing stand up more than I like living in la.

Jeff Dye (82:46)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (82:46)

And then once they came out here, they realized, I think I like it out here better.

Jeff Dye (82:49)

It is. It's amazing what you've got. And also, my favorite thing about the scene here is the mothership helps everything around as well. So I can't get over every time that I've been here, how inviting, how cool all the young comics are, are all these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it. And they're here at these other places. They're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing, and there's all this other stuff. So it has the most buzz as far. Not buzz. That's a stupid word. It has the. It has a feeling. It has, like, this vibe. It has this aura. Whereas, like, that used to be in New York and that used to be in la, and I don't feel it in those places anymore. I'm actually lucky that I can go to the Cellar and I can go do this Dan and I can do those things. I can go to the Comedy Store. I go to the Improv. I'm at a place where they'll have me. But there's not, like, a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots. Your club has that.

Joe Rogan (83:51)

Well, there's a couple things it has an advantage of. Right. One is kill Tony. That's the big advantage. The big advantage of there's a show that's Monday night that is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth, and you might be able to get on it, and if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're going to ask you back. And if you got another tight minute. Oh, my God. You might have a fucking career. You might have a fucking career. And that's happened time and time again. Like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now. And that came straight out of kill Tony 100%. And, you know, and Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim, so is a lot of William Montgomery. There's a lot of people coming out of there that, that do great. And they, they have a real career now. Ari Matty has a real career now. It's amazing. Casey Rockett. It's an amazing resource, 100%. So that's the big one, is that there's a real pathway. And then there's also two nights of open mic night. Two nights. So we make sure we have plenty of open mic night time. You get to do an open mic night. The best club in the world. And then on top of that, it's like the club is the only club that I know of, of that was designed not to make money. All I wanted to do is break even. I'm like, I just don't want to lose any money, you know, because it's so much money to make a club and build it in the first place. You have to buy a building, you have to hire all these people to fix it. And turns it's a lot of money invested. I'm like, I just want to lose a lot of money.

Jeff Dye (85:13)

Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations, because they do all these corner cutting or they do like the.

Joe Rogan (85:18)

They're trying to. You over.

Jeff Dye (85:19)

Yeah. And so. Yeah, but they're also desperate in a way. Like these guys, they'll. Well, you know, I, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners and they're. They feel that pressure of like, I got to keep this alive. I don't want to keep losing money.

Joe Rogan (85:32)

I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one.

Jeff Dye (85:35)

You do not want to be. Well, but still. But you're doing it honorably.

Joe Rogan (85:40)

I do the way I'm lucky that I have the other ways of making a living. Right. Most club owners, their club owner, by definition, that's what they do for a job. This is not what I do for a job. This is just. I do this for. For literally to make a comedy environment. So the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that's how it should be. People aren't coming to see drinks, right? They're coming to see a guy do his art A woman do her art on stage, so that person should get most of the money. And that's how it should be. And it should be that way because it's the right way to do it. And because it builds the art form, you have more people making money. So they don't have to leave as much. They don't have to go out of town as much. They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff. And there's all these satellite rooms. There's the Sunset Strip. That's right down the street from us. You could walk there in three minutes. That's red bands clubs. Killing Creek in the Keg is an awesome spot. That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special.

Jeff Dye (86:40)

He filmed it too.

Joe Rogan (86:41)

Yeah. It's amazing. It's a great club. That's another club. We did a lot during the Pandemic. And then you've got all these other clubs. Cap City's a great club that's just 20 minutes away. They're all. There's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now.

Jeff Dye (86:56)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (86:57)

Because comedy is a fun thing to do it and people love it, you know, and we can do it in a way where it's not connected to Hollywood. It's not connected to movies, it's not connected to tv. It's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long that people thought like the golden goose was. Was be a late night talk show host. That was the golden goose. A job that I wouldn't. There's no way. If they doubled my money, I'd be like, I'm not doing that. I can't do it. It's not me.

Jeff Dye (87:28)

Right. When it's also not really stand up so many times, like, people are like, so do you want to, like, is it. Are you doing this because of like, you want to be a movie stars? I was like, no, I'm doing it because I love stand up comedy.

Joe Rogan (87:39)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (87:39)

I just watched the starting five of. It's called Starting five on Netflix. But they follow NBA players and the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends. I think that's the annoying part. Like, I want to hear them talk about basketball, like the thing they love. Right. That inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, you know, like their career. So anyways. But what I was inspired by was like Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome. He just wants to play basketball. Like, that's all it is for him, he's like, yeah, I'm. I just want to go out there and hoop. And he keeps going to that thing of, like, man, I don't want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things. He makes money, but it's not about the money for him, and it's not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues. And I love that because I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part. I love that I can write a bit, and then that night, try it, and people love it. Or they go, what an interesting idea. Or that's funny, or that's naughty, or that's. I've never thought of it like, that. That, you know, when you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever, like, when you go to, like, the Trump rally or when. I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing. But those aren't undecided voters. Those are people who are there because they're already in. You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that. But with standup comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes.

Joe Rogan (89:04)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (89:04)

And so. So I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe, and the crowd will listen to me and decide if I'm not funny or funny. But you're getting into their ear. You're getting into them going, I've never thought of it like that. That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear. You know? Like, it's just like. I think comedy is such a gift that way. But I was like. I was like. I think I'm like Kevin Durant. I like the girls and I like the money, and I like all. I love all this stuff. But for me, me, I. I did a spot here. I can't remember what it was. And they were like, dude, we can't thank you enough for coming. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, I get up on any fucking stage, and he tried to slide me money. I go give it to the other guys. Like, I. I came to do this because I was happy you'd have me on. Like, I just couldn't.

Joe Rogan (89:49)

That's a great attitude.

Jeff Dye (89:50)

Yeah, it's so much better to do.

Joe Rogan (89:51)

So much better.

Jeff Dye (89:52)

Tell jokes.

Joe Rogan (89:53)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (89:53)

I don't need to be famous. That would be a good symptom. That'd be a great symptom of it. But like, it also comes with its own problem, you know, all those other stuff.

Joe Rogan (90:02)

Yeah, all those stuff. But that's the best attitude, is just love what you do. Love what you do. And all the success comes because of it. But the moment you start thinking about the success only and then making decisions based only on getting and attaining more success instead of thinking about the thing.

Jeff Dye (90:19)

You know, and that's what they do. They seduce you. They go, want to be in this movie? Those are the hyenas, like you were saying, the hyenas.

Joe Rogan (90:26)

They circle.

Jeff Dye (90:26)

But I don't want to be an actor. And thank you for the opportunity. And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that. But for me, walking my ass into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I'd like and make jokes is so exciting to me. If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I'll still go do my spot tonight at the Mothership in Fat Man. And if tomorrow they said, Jeff, you make $0 doing this, might want to find a day job job. I'll go, okay, But I'm still doing my spot, right? Like, I'm still gonna do it no matter what. Yeah, yeah. I just love it.

Joe Rogan (90:59)

Yeah. I would do it forever. It's the most fun art form.

Jeff Dye (91:02)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (91:02)

You know, and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible. You should be happy.

Jeff Dye (91:08)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (91:08)

If you're complaining, you're missing out.

Jeff Dye (91:11)

Oh, dude, I. I won't say this comics name because, you know, I just don't want any trouble with this guy. But I remember I was at a festival and. And I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night. We're in the green room and they were like, so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented. And they said. They go, so how much time do.

Joe Rogan (91:31)

You want to do?

Jeff Dye (91:32)

He was like, how much time am I contracted to do? And they were like, oh, well, you know, you. You're booked for 45 minutes. But I was just letting you know you're the end of the show and everyone's here to see you, so just do whatever you want. He goes, then I'm doing the 45 minutes. And I remember thinking, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, they're happy you're here. Everyone is excited. Yeah, Just if you tell me that, bro, I'M on stage for 2 hours, 45 minutes. Good. But I'm gonna stay up there, you know? Cause I like there. Yeah, it's fun. Boo. It's not. You're not pouring concrete, dude. Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people, like, what an exciting job you have. That's exciting.

Joe Rogan (92:13)

I think where that comes from is, like, in the begin. Beginning, it's, like, really hard. It's hard to do. It's hard to get paid. It's hard. And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think, like, what do I have to do? 44 minutes, and that's what I'm doing.

Jeff Dye (92:32)

Crazy.

Joe Rogan (92:33)

Yeah, you like, instead of like, wow, I made it. I actually. I could actually get paid to go do comedy now. I could. 45 minutes, not important. Okay. I'll go fuck around, have some fun. Fun.

Jeff Dye (92:43)

That's exactly like. That's so. I. I've worked at Hollywood Video. I've worked at any coffee shop that was like. I've. I've had over, like, 40 different coffee jobs because I just couldn't keep a job. Like, I was always living somewhere different or, like, pursuing comedy so aggressively that, like, I just needed a job, so I was good at getting the job. And then I would fuck off or do something stupid, and I'd get, like, let go, or I'd move and just ghost that job, you know, I've had all these jobs, but whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at, at. I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off. Because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job.

Joe Rogan (93:24)

Right?

Jeff Dye (93:24)

Because. Because. Not because the job was great, but because it's gonna be a better experience here if I like it, if I at least trick myself into liking it. There's not. It wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in a Hollywood video, but. But I want to enjoy my job. Like, that was more fun to be happy to be there. So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream. And you have that attitude. Like, I just can't get my mind around that.

Joe Rogan (93:52)

Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to be good. There's a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny. Like, they have to be upset. They have to be angry. I used to think that when I was. When I was. I was really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe, like, I should stop meditating, because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won't think. I don't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage, which is like a big part of my act. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (94:25)

You didn't want to be happy because you would find.

Joe Rogan (94:28)

Yeah, yeah. But that was me at 21 or whatever it was.

Jeff Dye (94:31)

Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorite favorites ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things. Like, I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy. Like, the way he talks about work ethic and the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined. He's very good. So I always hang on everything Jerry says. Like, in those things, I think he's the best. Look up anytime he's been interviewed. But Jerry, although he's clean. Right. He's a clean comic. And although he's a husband and a dad, and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich, he does have this edge to him. There still is, like, an irritability.

Joe Rogan (95:11)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (95:11)

And I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of, like, I need that. I need to be. But you could.

Joe Rogan (95:17)

Well, he's also smart, and he's talking to morons all the time, and that's how you get an edge like that. Yeah. Probably doesn't have, like, a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with. Right. You get alienated, want to be around.

Jeff Dye (95:28)

Kids, smarter than kids.

Joe Rogan (95:29)

Kids. Right. But you also, you. You got. You made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s. You never have to work again for a day in your life. You have a hundred Porsches. You're just collecting Porsches. You're bored as. And then morons want to say, you want. My favorite episode was like, I don't care.

Jeff Dye (95:44)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (95:45)

I don't want to hear this anymore.

Jeff Dye (95:46)

I'm sure you get that all the time. Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing, and you go, I don't know.

Joe Rogan (95:50)

Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (95:53)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (95:53)

But he's. I get it. I get why he would be a little prickly. Like, some of the questions are really stupid. Like, for sure. There was a big RA controversy about his show, Comedians in Cars Drinking Coffee.

Jeff Dye (96:05)

Which is why I'm surprised he wasn't. He's not more vocal about that. But he did a great thing.

Joe Rogan (96:10)

Like, he's like, I don't care. Speak the language of funny. If you're funny, I don't care what you are. Which is the right answer. And a lot of people like, oh, that sounds racist.

Jeff Dye (96:16)

No, it's a great answer.

Joe Rogan (96:17)

This is crazy. If that's racist. This is. You're expecting something that you're not going to get, which you're expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy based art form. You could. Like, you have to have a specific response from people. Right. You have to get a laugh. Yeah. And you're creating it all yourself.

Jeff Dye (96:34)

Like, there's no talking. It's just you.

Joe Rogan (96:36)

Yeah, that's it. And so if it's comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny? Because everything else is this ideal. There's not enough women. There's not enough black people. There's not enough.

Jeff Dye (96:50)

It's insane.

Joe Rogan (96:50)

Stop.

Jeff Dye (96:51)

Right?

Joe Rogan (96:52)

Stop.

Jeff Dye (96:52)

Yeah. There's an interview goes, what do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah. And then he goes, I don't know. I'm looking at your audience. A lot of whiteies in here. That's what he said. Oh, it's the best. Because it's like, it's so true. Look at your friend groups. Look at your life when you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color. You could call every culture racist. I went to my buddy's family barbecue who's Polynesian, you know, he's a Pacific Islander guy. One real diverse family reunion. Right? Because that's the beauty of a culture, is that you kind of have. The whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages. I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more. There's not any Filipinos here. That's not how it works. I would say that. I think I. I've said a couple times on stage, but, like, I wonder if, like, liberals go to, like, Japan and they're like, this is disgusting. You know, it's all Japanese people here. It's not very diverse. I wonder, do they go to Russia? Oh, my gosh. Where is the diversity here? Like, that's not how things work.

Joe Rogan (98:01)

No, there's a lot of countries that aren't divorced at all, and it's fine as long as they're black. You know what I mean? If it's, like, all black, it's totally fine. But all, like, Poland's a problem. That's a real problem.

Jeff Dye (98:12)

Yeah, it's insane to me.

Joe Rogan (98:13)

Well, it's. People are just weird, you know? And look, racism is bad, so. Because racism is. Because actual racism is bad. Bad people look for racism all sorts of places, and then they start deciding that things are racist. Or, you know, they could do with a lot of stuff. Like, you know, we were talking about this the other day. This idea of silence is violence. Like, shut the up.

Jeff Dye (98:31)

That's crazy.

Joe Rogan (98:32)

Nobody ever punched you then.

Jeff Dye (98:34)

Yeah. Then you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?

Joe Rogan (98:37)

Come to the UFC with me. I'll show you what, like, this is. See, that's what violence is. Yes. This is way worse. This is a sport of it. These are nice people. Like, that's actual violence, not words. It's definitely not silence.

Jeff Dye (98:48)

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt. Hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones. You go, let's go back to names. I'm happy with names. There was less blood when you were calling me names.

Joe Rogan (99:00)

Yeah, you're. You're being silly. Silence is not violence, you idiot.

Jeff Dye (99:04)

That's so dumb.

Joe Rogan (99:04)

It's. Silence is just silence. You can't. It's pretty nice, but it shows what you want is what you want. Force people to comply. You want to force people to say what you want them to say. Right. Put that black square on your leverage. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a bunch of losers. It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel. That bus.

Jeff Dye (99:21)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (99:22)

And they're going right off the cliff, and they want to bring you with him. Like, what are you doing?

Jeff Dye (99:25)

Not a fun place.

Joe Rogan (99:26)

Not fun.

Jeff Dye (99:28)

It's not the world we live in.

Joe Rogan (99:29)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (99:30)

Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all.

Joe Rogan (99:33)

That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody and an ist or whatever the fuck you are and how you have a phobia, whatever it is. All these people seem to be miserable. Miserable.

Jeff Dye (99:46)

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (99:47)

They don't seem very happy in the same.

Jeff Dye (99:48)

And they're proud of their anger, which is odd. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (99:51)

It's like, find some things to love. Okay. There's a lot to love in this world.

Jeff Dye (99:55)

Comic went on and killed Tony last Night. He was so great, and I am remiss that I don't remember his name. And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before. It's probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all his interests. He's like, oh, I'm in. You know, Universal Studios. Let's go. Monster Truck Rally. Let's do. Do it. And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I'm like, that's how I want to live. I live. Or I mean, I do live like that. And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go. I go to the gay pride parade. I've got a lot of gay friends. Let's do it. Like. Like, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan (100:28)

Right?

Jeff Dye (100:28)

That's so much better of an attitude. Just like, let's. Let's do it all. Let's. Let's. Let's jump in these things. Like, that's so much more fun than going, we're not going there because of this, and we're not doing that because of this. And. And this is probably. It's like. It's too exhausting.

Joe Rogan (100:41)

Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active. They've got something to think about. It's their sports.

Jeff Dye (100:47)

Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan (100:48)

You know, politics, for a lot of people is their sport. And it's not just their sports. It's like they're fanatical Red Sox fans.

Jeff Dye (100:54)

The religion.

Joe Rogan (100:54)

Yeah, yeah, it's Red Sox to the death. And that's what it is. Like, the Yankees. That's all it is, man.

Jeff Dye (101:00)

But it's the same thing. So the sports one is where I think it's a little different because. Because the Yankees fan doesn't want to murder the Red Sox fan. We still like baseball.

Joe Rogan (101:09)

They break people's legs.

Jeff Dye (101:10)

Yeah, yeah, sometimes, you know, But I'm saying they still like baseball. Yes. They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark, you know, we're having a hot dog. And it's like, you. And you're like, you. And it's fun. You know, it's fun, but, like, to the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots, right? They're. They're going, well, this is. I wouldn't even. Jimmy Kimmel's wife. I can't even talk to them anymore. I. I don't think she said she.

Joe Rogan (101:35)

Was having a hard time talking to.

Jeff Dye (101:37)

Them I might be. I've watched it a bunch. But. So what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office, but now she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her that, like that now she's made the decision to not. And it's like, that's, that's where it's a problem. Struggling with. It's fine if family Rooneys want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something. I think that's healthy. You know, like, let's talk about it. Cuz if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid. But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is, that's a problem.

Joe Rogan (102:15)

Well, it doesn't seem smart.

Jeff Dye (102:17)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (102:17)

Doesn't seem healthy, you know, if you don't have any room for disagreement. But it's also like the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb. It's very dumb.

Jeff Dye (102:26)

Dumb.

Joe Rogan (102:26)

It's so dumb. I can't believe. Like, and then he went after, what's. He went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers as well. Right? Losers.

Jeff Dye (102:36)

Yes, yes, yes.

Joe Rogan (102:37)

That's crazy.

Jeff Dye (102:38)

I know.

Joe Rogan (102:38)

That's so dumb. I, I don't understand. I guess no one is around to tell him that.

Jeff Dye (102:45)

He must be in a bubble.

Joe Rogan (102:47)

He's 100% in a bubble. But that's also the way he's behaved his whole life. Like, that's how he would attack you if he was on the Apprentice. You know, I'm supposed to do the Celebrity Apprentice.

Jeff Dye (102:55)

I was supposed to do it too, but way after it was good. I was supposed to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Joe Rogan (103:00)

Well, I was supposed to do it with him.

Jeff Dye (103:01)

With Trump.

Joe Rogan (103:01)

Yes. Okay. It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC. They asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice and I thought about it, but my kids were really young at the time. I didn't want to live in New York. And I was like, how long does it take? It takes forever. And then also like, that guy's gonna be mean to me. And I'm like, I know it's not fun. Like, that's not gonna be fun. Like, I'm not good with that. You know, I'll get real.

Jeff Dye (103:21)

I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice.

Joe Rogan (103:26)

Interesting. I think he always had an understanding of how the whole political process worked. There's an interesting interview of him way back in the day, I think he was talking to Barbara Walters. Maybe it was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this is back when he was a Democrat. Yeah, you know, he was a Democrat.

Jeff Dye (103:52)

For a long Queens.

Joe Rogan (103:53)

He's a New York guy, long portion of his life. And you know, I think Elon said it best. He's a product of his time, you know, and that's the thing. This is an almost 80 year old man who's a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters. Loves America because that's what he always liked. Like I like my name, big gold letters. Like everything's big and gold. That's what he genuinely.

Jeff Dye (104:17)

People knew that about him. They would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because like if you read his book, like there was a part where he was like, he's like, okay, do you.

Joe Rogan (104:25)

Think he really wrote the book?

Jeff Dye (104:27)

No, but I think, I don't think anyone does. Dennis Rodman didn't write his book. You know, he just had a guy following.

Joe Rogan (104:32)

Some people write their own book for.

Jeff Dye (104:33)

Sure, but not the majority. Yeah, or actually that's not true. The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.

Joe Rogan (104:42)

They have ghosts.

Jeff Dye (104:44)

But he was, he's like talking. This building's the biggest in New York. It's the best. And they're like, it's not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of like, yeah. And if you know that, then you kind of like give him a little more grace when he's just saying. It's just kind of how he is. He's this, right, I'm the best. You know, it doesn't mean he's really the best. It means he's got an attitude of the best.

Joe Rogan (105:03)

You saw the BBC thing, right?

Jeff Dye (105:05)

What thing?

Joe Rogan (105:06)

You didn't see this thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech. We talked about it yesterday. I'll, I'll just tell you real briefly. So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later.

Jeff Dye (105:22)

Right, the storming the Capitol.

Joe Rogan (105:24)

Yes, right.

Jeff Dye (105:25)

From the January 6th.

Joe Rogan (105:26)

Crazy.

Jeff Dye (105:26)

Yeah. Which is not journalism.

Joe Rogan (105:29)

Like that is not journalism, but like full on lying and propaganda and it's kind of fucking dangerous.

Jeff Dye (105:35)

And those are the things people watch. That's what I say in that shortened bullshit.

Joe Rogan (105:40)

Yes, but these people lost their Jobs because of it.

Jeff Dye (105:43)

It's a big deal.

Joe Rogan (105:43)

Yeah. And not only that, but like, they're getting hounded by reporters. They're asking them, and the answers that they have for why they did what they did is, like, crazy. They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion, seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good. So they lost all journalistic integrity. Integrity. And it is the BBC, which is like the height of journalistic integrity that doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate controlled media that nothing does.

Jeff Dye (106:17)

Right.

Joe Rogan (106:17)

Because that. That's pure rot. If at the top of the heap, you got like in. In my mind, if, like, if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay, that's like Washington Post. That's like New York Times. Times. It's a very official source. So I'm thinking this must be real. And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying, and they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing. And no, he didn't say that.

Jeff Dye (106:47)

But that's not how he said it at all. Yeah, it's like. And I think, I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but like, that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain. They go, I know that this is a little like, whatever, but it's for our greater good. So they're doing that with their own thing. Listen, I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank. But if I twist this a little, it's for the greater good of what I'm trying to do here. And so they justify it to themselves. They say, oh, well, now I know that I might have been a little politician y here, but it's for a greater good.

Joe Rogan (107:29)

For a greater good.

Jeff Dye (107:30)

And it's like, listen, look, he hates black people.

Joe Rogan (107:33)

That's why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign. Because he did that thing where he said, you know that he said that white nationalists are very fine people.

Jeff Dye (107:44)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (107:45)

He said, we have very fine people on both sides. And when you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying he said and what he said. What he said was the exact opposite he said. And I'm not talking about neo Nazis and white nationalists. He's like, I don't forget the exact wordage he used. They should be condemned, whatever he said. But along those lines Specifically said. Not those people. I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down.

Jeff Dye (108:12)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (108:12)

That there's very fine people on both sides. Some people just, like, go, yeah. I was. Robert E. Lee's a really bad guy. But it's like, this is a part of history.

Jeff Dye (108:19)

It is.

Joe Rogan (108:20)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (108:20)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (108:21)

This is like, this is just reality. Yeah. But that. Using that during Kamala Harris's campaign, I was like, that's crazy. You know what he said. You. You must know.

Jeff Dye (108:32)

They cut it up.

Joe Rogan (108:33)

But why would you sacrifice. What's so valuable is, like, your stature and your integrity. Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't gonna win anyway?

Jeff Dye (108:44)

Right. I mean, I don't know if it's money or if it's some sort of oath or if it's intentional whatever, but, like, that stuff's so dangerous. I really like that shortening of, like, what someone said, taking out of context.

Joe Rogan (108:56)

I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russiagate stuff, because I think that. That Russiagate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years. And a lot of people are really comfortable, uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax. No, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax. And a lot of people coordinated that hoax. And there was a lot of people involved, and I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff. And he's doing that now, and you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think, the intelligence agencies, you think, what are they here for? They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems. But it seems like they also. Metal.

Jeff Dye (109:42)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (109:43)

And not just metal, but, like, completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate. Knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars funding it.

Jeff Dye (109:55)

All for the greater good. For their greater good, bro.

Joe Rogan (109:58)

I might say very fine people, too, if I was doing that. Whatever. He's a Nazi. Let's not.

Jeff Dye (110:04)

Yeah, he's Hitler.

Joe Rogan (110:05)

Yeah. Let's say, whatever. The. Keep him out of office.

Jeff Dye (110:08)

I think that's what happened with the. In a way, that's kind of what happened with, like, the Epstein list thing. I think, like, the reason you're never going to see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that. That are on both sides. It would kind of be a. Not a collapse, but like a social kind of, like, collapse of, like, not.

Joe Rogan (110:26)

Just that, but both sides.

Jeff Dye (110:28)

I mean, I don't think there's, like, that. You're not going to find all liberals went to this island. You're not going to find all conservatives went to this island. Island. You're gonna see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything. So it's like both this, like, stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this.

Joe Rogan (110:43)

But it's not just that. It's this ball of yarn of, what did they do with the information? What did they. If they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls, what did you do then when you were confronted by the fact that they know this? Right. What did you do? Like, what decisions were made, what foreign policy decisions were made, what financial decisions were made, what money got donated, how much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there?

Jeff Dye (111:15)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (111:16)

How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an iron island?

Jeff Dye (111:28)

That's why I'm glad that I. I mean, I might be the very rich or anything, but, like, if something, you know, if they try to figure out something on me, this is. This would be their research. They'd be like, all right, we found Jeff died. He likes a sprite.

Joe Rogan (111:42)

You know.

Jeff Dye (111:45)

He also watches pro. Like, they go. They'd have nothing. They would just be searching.

Joe Rogan (111:49)

You're not a guy who's trying to run the world.

Jeff Dye (111:50)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (111:51)

The thing is, everybody who wants to run the world, everybody wants to be the president. Everybody. They're all.

Jeff Dye (111:56)

They've all done weird.

Joe Rogan (111:57)

They're crazy and get into a position where they have, like, ultimate power and they're putting masks on each other. And, I mean, that's skull and bone.

Jeff Dye (112:06)

It's crazy stuff to me.

Joe Rogan (112:07)

Yeah. There's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap and. Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye (112:16)

It's very strange.

Joe Rogan (112:17)

People lose their minds with any kind of power. And you got the kind of power where you're literally, like, running the government. You're literally running.

Jeff Dye (112:26)

I just don't want to do bad stuff. Like, it's crazy. It's like, I guess my brain's just.

Joe Rogan (112:30)

Want to run the government.

Jeff Dye (112:31)

I know, but if I. I just. I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much shit on all these powerful people. Like, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan (112:39)

It's not crazy, though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit. It's just like very bizarre pursuit. Because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place, then you're not going to get anything on them because then they're Bernie Sanders.

Jeff Dye (112:50)

Right.

Joe Rogan (112:50)

You got nothing.

Jeff Dye (112:51)

Yeah. They just.

Joe Rogan (112:52)

You got nothing. He, you know, he might not be effective, but, you know, you don't have anything on him. That's it. He's not going to compromise. He doesn't have to. You got nothing on him. Or you. You got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason. And they. They're really not that extraordinary. But they're in a really shallow pool of talent. Right. Because that's the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor is it's a shallow pool of talent. Talent. Because most people that have any kind of talent talking don't want that job.

Jeff Dye (113:21)

Right.

Joe Rogan (113:21)

Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to shoot at me? Yeah. Why would I want half the country to hate me no matter what I do? Right. Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of money and power and influence is no way to fix it?

Jeff Dye (113:36)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (113:36)

And I'm just gonna sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House like that.

Jeff Dye (113:40)

Because you took a photo with someone. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (113:42)

So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds. And they're all kooks. They're all Gavin Newsoms. They're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trumps, and they're all kooky people. And some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people. But only kooky people want the job. And until that changes and until not just kooky people want the job, non kooky people want the job being President, but non kooky people involved in Congress and the Senate and every everything, regular rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to. And every in the most reductionist way possible make them out to be a. Because they're on the other side. The actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you.

Jeff Dye (114:32)

Right.

Joe Rogan (114:32)

So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can't be honest about your real opinion. Opinions. That's the real problem with that whole system. It is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future. If you play Ball. That's where it gets real weird.

Jeff Dye (114:49)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (114:49)

They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulated 16 months ago.

Jeff Dye (114:57)

I. It's. It's like, crazy. It's like X or like, Twitter, you know, it's like. Like, nobody. Nobody's on there to go, oh, I'm gonna, like, try and find some people's ideas. It's all like, debate culture. Like, you could put the most simple thing, and you have 700 people who just want to go. But, like, the goal is to debate and argue and get into, like, win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say, there's not. Like, nobody, like you said in the beginning, is like, nobody's trying to just go. I think I really want to make it fair. No one's saying that.

Joe Rogan (115:29)

No. What's even more fun is blood Blue Sky. You ever go to Blue Sky? If you make an account, even in your name, you say, Jeff Dye, I bet you'll be banned. I will bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes. Yes. Yeah. You're problematic. You're a toxic.

Jeff Dye (115:42)

What is. What is.

Joe Rogan (115:43)

You're heterosexual. You're a cisgendered male.

Jeff Dye (115:46)

That's.

Joe Rogan (115:47)

Which is what. Yeah, we already had.

Jeff Dye (115:49)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (115:50)

We don't need to add that. I don't. I'm not doing it.

Jeff Dye (115:52)

I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why did they get to put cyst on me, Sis on me?

Joe Rogan (115:57)

But if you go there. I saw this one conversation where someone said they were talking about something, saying, I'm trying to be Zen about it. And then the next person say, said, try not to be racist against Asian people from.

Jeff Dye (116:10)

Yeah, that's insane. I mean, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan (116:14)

It's whack a mole.

Jeff Dye (116:15)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (116:15)

They just sit in there ready to whack. They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.

Jeff Dye (116:24)

It's so exhausting. I've never heard of this. It's like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.

Joe Rogan (116:30)

Most people bailed on it. So a lot of people, like Stephen King said, I'm going over a blue sky. They all decided to go over to Blue sky because Trump let him say whatever they want on Twitter, and they just didn't like the reality of the world.

Jeff Dye (116:41)

Right.

Joe Rogan (116:41)

And so they're like, this is bullshit. I'm leaving. And they all come back. They all come back to Twitter because X is more fun. Exactly. It's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything.

Jeff Dye (116:53)

I do think that's the current problem with the world. I know that's very vague, but, like, people just want to win the talk. Nobody wants to have the talk.

Joe Rogan (117:02)

Right.

Jeff Dye (117:02)

So it's more about, like. Well, here's what you haven't thought about this. Like, it's. It's like, why are you talking at anyone like that?

Joe Rogan (117:09)

Right?

Jeff Dye (117:09)

Like, hear them out. And then they also have the. Give them the luxury of being wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I'm wrong all the time. But, like. Like, the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn or, you know, that's. That's.

Jamie (117:23)

That's.

Jeff Dye (117:23)

We should be having conversations, not arguments.

Joe Rogan (117:25)

But the. The thing is, now, you attach that to politics and you literally have to win the arguments, because that's what the whole game is. The whole game is like, get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent. And that's. It's stupid. Yeah, but they have to do it because they have to get elected. Because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power. And if they don't have. Once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power. So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these. And there's a bill. You want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector. In the bill is going to help chips and. And so, of course you're going to put a mask on and go, a guy. You're crazy. You're doing a crazy job. You're doing ecstasy. You're hanging out with all these people that are running the world. Of course you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere.

Jeff Dye (118:18)

That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.

Joe Rogan (118:22)

They can't take it anymore. They're living an insane life where they're producing no value. So there's nothing they're doing where. Unless they're real. Like, that's one of the things about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him, that's a real guy, and he has real beliefs, and he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career. From. There's a photo of him that we play, we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was. He's always been that guy. That's who he is, which is great. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (118:53)

And who we need.

Joe Rogan (118:54)

If you're not that, then what are you doing? You're trying to just get ahead. You're trying to win. You're trying to gaslight the best. You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor, and then maybe you could be the president. You have eyes on the throne. First thing I'm gonna do is take that tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall.

Jeff Dye (119:16)

Trump put gold leaf everywhere.

Joe Rogan (119:19)

He likes gold. What's wr with gold?

Jeff Dye (119:21)

It looks about his home decor.

Joe Rogan (119:22)

It's the White House he made. There was people complaining. He made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful.

Jeff Dye (119:28)

Yeah. Well, also, who cares? You don't live there. I don't give a.

Joe Rogan (119:31)

Well, they just don't want him doing that. They don't want him.

Jeff Dye (119:33)

Like, didn't he do it with his own money and stuff? I mean, they've always done that. And Taft put a. He invented the hot tub on accident because he was like, that tub won't fit me. I'm too fat.

Joe Rogan (119:42)

Oh, really? Yeah.

Jeff Dye (119:43)

And then they Forever, like, people will go, oh, yeah, it didn't tap. Even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub. And it's not true. He was just a big guy, made a funny joke. And for now, like, now I' these young people like, oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy that got stuck in a tub. It's not true. He accidentally made a. He just made a modification to the White House, and it basically invented a hot tub.

Joe Rogan (120:04)

People are also upset that he's making a ballroom. You see, he's making this giant ballroom.

Jeff Dye (120:09)

Sorry, it doesn't bother me.

Joe Rogan (120:10)

And he found out you're allowed to. Yeah. And then he goes. He. He goes, what's the deal with permits? They're like, you don't have to get any permits. You're the president. You could just build it.

Jeff Dye (120:20)

He's like. He's like, amazing as a real estate guy. He's like, that's fucking great.

Joe Rogan (120:23)

Right? For a guy like that. It's like you just gave him the coolest present ever. He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. And people are so mad. And they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not all donations.

Jeff Dye (120:36)

I think you could look this up, but I think Obama spent, like, $350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

Joe Rogan (120:42)

I think that's true, too. And, like, did you.

Jeff Dye (120:44)

No One cared. And I don't care about that either. I'm not using that as a what about. I'm saying I also don't care. Care that Obama did it. I don't give a.

Joe Rogan (120:52)

Can I get a receipt?

Jeff Dye (120:53)

Right?

Joe Rogan (120:54)

$350 million. What did you do? Like, what cost $350 million to a house that's already standing? Could you imagine it if you're a construction guy, gave you a bill like that? Like, yeah, I just want to fix it up nice. Let's do all this. And then send me a bill. And you get a bill. It's $350 million. You're like, hey, I need to talk.

Jeff Dye (121:13)

To the foreman here.

Joe Rogan (121:14)

Yeah. Think about the White House house. It's not that big, right? It's not that big. Dude.

Jeff Dye (121:19)

There's some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5. That's a whole house.

Joe Rogan (121:23)

A whole house, yeah. $350 million is so much money. Did you make another house underneath the house? What happened?

Jeff Dye (121:30)

Yeah, how did that happen?

Joe Rogan (121:31)

A tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground.

Jeff Dye (121:34)

Maybe the guy gets 500 grand an hour to do the construction or something. Because I don't understand.

Joe Rogan (121:38)

He's doing it at the White House.

Jeff Dye (121:39)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (121:39)

He needs to get paid more.

Jeff Dye (121:40)

It's like weddings, you know, they're like. They're like, I'd like to buy a cake. And they go, Sure, $40. He goes, for my wedding, $5,000. They just changed the price. You what? I needed a bunch of flowers. You gave me a great rate. But then the second is for wedding. Those flowers are now like this crazy.

Joe Rogan (121:58)

Maybe that's why this White House prices.

Jeff Dye (121:59)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (122:00)

Because they know it's taxpayer money. But $350 million seems like real excessive. I'd like to know what they did.

Jeff Dye (122:05)

Didn't one of the. Was it Nixon or somebody made like a bowling alley in there.

Joe Rogan (122:09)

Nice.

Jeff Dye (122:10)

Yeah. That's a cool thing to be president do.

Joe Rogan (122:12)

Is that what they do? Like you're allowed to just. You're going to be there for four years. Put a bowling alley.

Jeff Dye (122:16)

I think you get to. I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something. I read. But also I didn't care. I just go, sure. If I was president, I'd probably make some adjustments.

Joe Rogan (122:26)

You see, took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the auto pen up.

Jeff Dye (122:30)

Oh, I did see that. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know it was real. I have a real struggle with, like, what I see is real or not.

Joe Rogan (122:35)

It might not be real. Let's find out if it is real. I think it is real, though. I think that's what I heard. Obama's ERA project covered renovations. Trump's knockdown.

Jeff Dye (122:44)

376.

Joe Rogan (122:47)

Okay. $376 million cost to improve the east and West Wing's infrastructure. Peck described the project as largely underground Utility work. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well, peck told CNN when questioned about the car cost. Bloomberg News reported. In 2010, the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office. 48 to 52. Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter. Piano breaking through the floor. Trump's project with the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years. Historic preservationists say.

Jeff Dye (123:34)

You know, I read that. I just said, oh, my God. Because the leg of his daughter. And then it's the leg of his daughter's piano.

Joe Rogan (123:40)

I read it, too. I was like, oh, no, just a piano broke. Yeah, that was very deceptive the way they typed that. Just the piano leg.

Jeff Dye (123:46)

Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (123:48)

Piano went through the floor. One of the piano legs went through the. Not the daughter.

Jeff Dye (123:52)

Like, the daughter's legs.

Joe Rogan (123:53)

Why you bring her up? You're freaking me out.

Jeff Dye (123:56)

She's not in this story.

Joe Rogan (123:57)

I thought a kid broke her leg. I was panicking, and it's just a stupid piano. But that. That building's not that big, so I guess that makes more sense, though. They had to do, like, crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably I would wonder.

Jeff Dye (124:11)

What'S under the White House.

Jamie (124:12)

Heating, cooling, and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since 1902 or 1934.

Joe Rogan (124:17)

Still, I'd like to see a receipt also. Feeling ripped off.

Jeff Dye (124:21)

I used to always say, I don't think that any president ever is at the White House because they go to the White House, but they don't live there.

Joe Rogan (124:28)

Like, yeah, they do.

Jeff Dye (124:30)

You think that they live there?

Joe Rogan (124:31)

They do. They have a residency.

Jeff Dye (124:32)

Well, I think there's, like, a tunnel to a different place that there's another.

Joe Rogan (124:36)

Building, but they live in that building.

Jeff Dye (124:38)

Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?

Joe Rogan (124:43)

Why are you giving people ideas?

Jeff Dye (124:44)

Well, it's a Secret Service. You know, we keep them secret.

Joe Rogan (124:48)

Don't give them ideas. It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time. Right.

Jeff Dye (124:52)

That's crazy.

Joe Rogan (124:53)

You.

Jeff Dye (124:53)

You have more security and anonymity than knowing where someone powerful is. Like, that's crazy. No matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That's why Secret Service is good. You want a secret address, you want a secret home, you want to move them around.

Joe Rogan (125:09)

Yeah. Don't have them in the same spot every night.

Jeff Dye (125:11)

I think the White House is called the famous. The most famous address in America. Like, they say it's the most famous address.

Joe Rogan (125:17)

It is the most famous.

Jeff Dye (125:18)

So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous? Like, I just think that, like. Like, I. Even when I was, like, in high school, I was like, I bet that they. I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.

Joe Rogan (125:32)

Yeah. But they do. Hopefully no one's listening to this. And you gave him an idea.

Jeff Dye (125:39)

I hope not either. Violence is bad. That's the. That's the point.

Joe Rogan (125:42)

Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?

Jeff Dye (125:47)

Yeah. Got pretty far. Didn't you have a bit about it?

Joe Rogan (125:49)

Yeah, a bit about it.

Jeff Dye (125:50)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (125:50)

He had a bit of. There was a lady guarding the door without a gun. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (125:53)

What are we doing? That is crazy.

Joe Rogan (125:56)

That's so crazy.

Jeff Dye (125:57)

Your bit might have given someone some ideas. Like, I could get pretty far, bro.

Joe Rogan (126:00)

They got. That guy got all the way in. If it wasn't for a seat. Off duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the White House and he tackled him. He just happened to be there. He wasn't even on duty.

Jeff Dye (126:10)

What did they think? Just like. Well, no one's.

Joe Rogan (126:12)

No one. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (126:13)

Like, who would do that? Like, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan (126:16)

We're fine. Yeah. It's so crazy. The people that have never been around, crazy people. They don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place. That's true. Back then, people were like, enough of my.

Jeff Dye (126:28)

Right.

Joe Rogan (126:28)

We got a slow mic down.

Jeff Dye (126:31)

Or you see like. Like you work at, like, a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it.

Joe Rogan (126:35)

Right? Yeah.

Jeff Dye (126:36)

You go, yeah. You could kind of go, oh, these people. I don't know. I don't know. You know, they've done so much stuff and drugs and they've traumas and all that, and you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken. Let's.

Joe Rogan (126:51)

You know, especially if they're not medicated. Like, there's out and out. Like hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness. A large percentage of it, at least. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (127:01)

Which is a controversial statement, but it's a hundred percent true.

Joe Rogan (127:04)

Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction. Drug addiction, self. The self medicating. You know, it's a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors. But the answer to that isn't just let them camp. Right.

Jeff Dye (127:16)

Let them be in front of your house whacking off, shouting bomb threats. Like that's not. Ignoring it isn't the solution. Yeah. Not talking about it is not the solution.

Joe Rogan (127:26)

Yeah, yeah. I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I don't.

Jeff Dye (127:28)

I don't know, I just meant like in the 30s they would see that and go, you know, let's put this.

Joe Rogan (127:32)

Guy in a room on the 30s. I've had people in the. There was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh yeah, the Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like these little handmade houses like that people had built. You ever seen any of that stuff? See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression. Depression, yeah. Man, it must have been so dangerous. I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park. And there's no jobs, man. There's no jobs and there's no.

Jeff Dye (128:04)

During the Depression.

Joe Rogan (128:06)

Oh yeah. Isn't that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be.

Jeff Dye (128:11)

That's downtown Denver right there.

Joe Rogan (128:13)

And that's all because of the bankers. That's all because of the bankers. They crashed the stock market market.

Jeff Dye (128:21)

That's crazy.

Joe Rogan (128:22)

I was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and alcohol during Prohibition. That one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. I don't even know if this is true, but that Rockefeller had control of oil and they were using oil to make. Make pharmaceutical drugs. So like most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because of Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil. And this was saying that he wanted to stop them people from using ethanol. So he wanted. He thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol. And the best way to do that is to make prohibition about alcohol. Call. But really sounds crazy. It says it's a myth.

Jeff Dye (129:20)

Computer.

Joe Rogan (129:21)

Let's see why they say it's a myth. John D. Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business. But this is a myth. Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons. Okay, that's the excuse that's publicly stated, that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce. So this is the problem with it. These are not quotes. This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That's. That is true. So ethanol as a fuel was not banned. It's saying explicitly allowing, even promoted the use of high proof alcohol for scientific research, fuel or other lawful industries during prohibition. Ethanol as a fuel. Fuel was not banned. In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time. Okay, so I take back what I said. So it's not that it was banned. So that doesn't make any sense. Then it would make sense if somehow or another. But could you, if you were using ethanol though? The thing is like, if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, you definitely can't make your own fuel. And then you can't use ethanol because you can actually make ethanol with corn. That's how they make it. So I could see how you would say if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol. And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like it doesn't seem that clean to me. That looks like a little squirrely. Like he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was like really involved in a lot of shady. That seemed like he was very controlled.

Jeff Dye (131:29)

Those religious beliefs were sidelined.

Joe Rogan (131:31)

Yeah, man. The it also he had a part in the structuring and the education system to make people good little factory workers. Yeah, get them up early, early, get them, get them to school quickly before the parents can like give them any sense of how the world really works. And then brainwash them, bring them in, get him in there and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well. Like that guy had a lot of power.

Jeff Dye (131:54)

Yeah, that's. He'd have been an interesting guy in politics.

Joe Rogan (131:57)

So it's not true that He. That ethanol, that they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol. Alcohol. And if you're not. If people aren't like, making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like they.

Jeff Dye (132:15)

Don'T have the materials.

Joe Rogan (132:16)

Yeah, it'd be a good way to stop people from making their own gas. And then you'll sell more gas.

Jeff Dye (132:21)

I tried to buy something recently because I had like a chest cough, and they're like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Rite Aid or whatever it was, and they're like, oh, that's behind the counter. So I go up and ask her for it. She needs my id. She beeps my id and I go, why? She goes, oh, cuz, enough of this. You can make meth. And I go, really? She goes, yeah. So we have to, like, make sure that the person like that. It's kind of documented who bought it.

Joe Rogan (132:42)

And how much Sudafed, right?

Jeff Dye (132:43)

Yeah, I think that. Yeah, something like that. And then I was like, oh, then I need 700 of these. But like, I didn't even know that's.

Joe Rogan (132:52)

How guys were making meth.

Jeff Dye (132:53)

You got to regulate all that kind of stuff.

Joe Rogan (132:55)

You imagine how bad that meth was. You get some that go to the grocery store and just clean up the. The pharmaceutical aisle.

Jeff Dye (133:02)

That's the sad part about addiction, man. You'll see, like, these homeless guys drinking mouthwash. You're like, how bad has it got that you're just like, chugging Listerine, like, in an alley to get drunk? Like, that's. I mean, that's a. That's.

Joe Rogan (133:15)

What if it's a really good buzz?

Jeff Dye (133:17)

I mean, I guarantee it's a good buzz, like in your breath. Great.

Joe Rogan (133:22)

Imagine a Listerine buzz.

Jeff Dye (133:24)

Ugh.

Joe Rogan (133:25)

Imagine a Listerine buzz.

Jeff Dye (133:27)

I mean, sometimes I have to. I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila and that felt like mouthwash. You know, you have like a shitty, cheap tequila and you go, do you.

Joe Rogan (133:37)

Know a large percentage tequila apparently is fake? It's not made with agave.

Jeff Dye (133:41)

Really?

Joe Rogan (133:42)

Yeah, there was a big scandal. See if you find anything.

Jeff Dye (133:44)

But it still got people drunk.

Joe Rogan (133:46)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was like real tequila, like legit tequila made from agave. Yeah, but it wasn't. Yeah, it's just like some shitty alcohol. Yeah. Some nonsense.

Jeff Dye (133:58)

They got counts.

Joe Rogan (133:59)

It's tequila. I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers, so who knows who's doing it along the way? Maybe it's the manufacturer, maybe it's the original person. Who knows? But they didn't think someone was going to check.

Jeff Dye (134:12)

Yeah, it's kind of strange. I. I think about all those kind of things. Like, I remember they were doing this big campaign. They're like, McDonald's uses real beef now. I'm like, what were they using? Using, like, what do you mean? Like, if the tequila company would now market, like, no, this is now real tequila. You'd be like, what were we drinking?

Joe Rogan (134:27)

This is. A proposed class action lawsuit filed in the u. S. District court for the eastern district of new york, goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100 Agave in Mexico and the United states, even though they carry that distinction on their labels. So what are these brands? Brands. Click on that link where it says those brands. Oh, casamigos and don julio. Significant amounts of non agave alcohol despite being labeled as 100 agave. Customers named. The suit claimed that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from blue weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium design nation. Somebody was cutting the product, son. Yeah, that's how it goes when no one's paying.

Jeff Dye (135:16)

History repeating itself over and over and over. And those are big ones. Those are like. I didn't expect it to be something.

Joe Rogan (135:21)

I've heard of, but here's the question. Who did it? Right? You got to follow that web to go, okay? Where did that money come from? Is it that guy? Is it, like, a manufacturer? Is it someone who's in the plant? Is it someone? Are they skimming, limping? Are they ripping them off? Like, what?

Jeff Dye (135:39)

Who did it? Yeah, who did it? That's.

Joe Rogan (135:41)

You know, I mean, if you're an. And you're running the distillery and you're like, those don Julio people we have to like, I. And you're like, I know how to make it better. I can make more money. And then these skims, we're gonna need 100 grand. Four. It only tossed 40.

Jeff Dye (135:55)

Greedy, greedy.

Joe Rogan (135:57)

Yep. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that we're using the company to make money.

Jeff Dye (136:04)

When I first worked at giggles comedy club, the owner, like, we didn't really have a green room. We're just kind of in the back where all, like, the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcor back there, and he had one bottle of every kind of like top shelf liquor. But he would just pour shitty liquor in there, like with funnels, like totally against the law. Just like funneling like the cheapest tequila he could get in like the finest tequila bottle. And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back like, this tastes wrong. He goes, you saw me po the bottle. And they're like, yeah, I guess. I don't know, like what? But I watched him do that so many times.

Joe Rogan (136:42)

That's hilarious.

Jeff Dye (136:43)

Yeah. Cuz he could charge like this, you know, crazy amount and he just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from like Costco or wherever the heck. That's so gross. I know.

Joe Rogan (136:51)

That's so. I watch people do that all over the world. There's a lot of that going on. There was, there was a great documentary about that. It's called Sour Grapes. And it's all about these wine guys that got duped. They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson's wine. Like some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was like making the.

Jeff Dye (137:10)

The label put over the bottle.

Joe Rogan (137:13)

Yeah, he was totally doing that.

Jeff Dye (137:15)

That's.

Joe Rogan (137:15)

And he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor. So weird.

Jeff Dye (137:20)

Like it's always this. Was it a big wine guy?

Joe Rogan (137:23)

Like, oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye (137:24)

Oh really?

Joe Rogan (137:24)

Oh, dude, he, he. This is how he up. He ripped off the Koch brothers too big. Like. Yeah. And they had, they bought some old ass like Thomas Jefferson wine and it wasn't real. And then they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that year, during that era. And this actual wine guy saw their seller and sort of, what is this? And he says, that's a this and that. He goes, no, no, they don't do that. This is not from that. This is fake. And he was like, what? And so they, then they have a lot of resources, obviously, so they're like, release the hounds. And then they, you know, they caught him. They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house. And so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing. He's got dirt and water. He's rubbing it on the labels. He's like making the labels old and hilarious. He's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and recorking it and sealing it. Oh, total scumbag. And he sold millions of dollars worth of like fagazi wine to all these dorks that are like. These dorks.

Jeff Dye (138:28)

Yeah. And they're all, ah, I spent this much on this. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (138:33)

It has an essence of tannin. There's a. A woody. A woody aftertaste, almost chocolate. Ah, I tasted chocolate.

Jeff Dye (138:41)

I wish. Who caught him was a. So, like, someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like. And I gotta be like, oh, it's real.

Joe Rogan (138:46)

Like, there. There is one Sam in that documentary that these other guys were, like, sniffing it, going, this is. This is the real stuff. And the other guy gets it. He goes, no, this is crap. What is this?

Jeff Dye (138:56)

I love that.

Joe Rogan (138:56)

And the. But. Which is, like, a huge insult to the other fellows. Like, I don't. And they don't want to say they got duped. No, no, no. This is the best. The best grapes during the best year.

Jeff Dye (139:08)

I have it.

Joe Rogan (139:09)

I have the grapes.

Jeff Dye (139:10)

Can't you taste the hint of Costco? It's got a. You don't taste the box on this wine.

Joe Rogan (139:15)

You don't taste Trader Joe's.

Jeff Dye (139:17)

That's hilarious. Hilarious. What a weird thing.

Joe Rogan (139:19)

It's a weird thing, man. But it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is. It's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a flavor that's not that good. It's not that bad.

Jeff Dye (139:33)

But you want the finest.

Joe Rogan (139:34)

So you believe the best wine is not as nearly as good as Kool Aid.

Jeff Dye (139:39)

That's true.

Joe Rogan (139:40)

Kool Aid is far superior to the best wine ever. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (139:44)

But it's not exclusive, you know, Kool Aid.

Joe Rogan (139:46)

But it's, like, such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

Jeff Dye (139:52)

The autograph world is full of a bunch of bull crap like that. Like, if you collect athletes autographs and stuff. I'm friends with the. The guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever, and they're great guys, but, like, I'll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this, like, you know, it. You know, hotel lobby. So they have those. You know, when you walk in, it'll be like a photo of Taylor Swift. Swift framed. And it's just like, cut her autograph on it. It's selling for, like, $5,000 or whatever. And I sent him a thing because I. The item was so unique that I was like, this is pretty special. It was a baseball Autograph by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. To have both those names, like, on the baseball, I was like, this. There's no way. This is at a silent auction right now for, like, a thousand bucks. I sent it to my autograph guy. And he goes, dude, there's like one of those in the world, world. And it sold at auction for like millions or whatever. So this guy, just somebody like you, like the guy you're describing putting dirt on the thought he could pull one over and probably did. I mean, I didn't go whistleblow or anything, but like he definitely did. Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball and Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case. And you know, some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about this Ballybody committed suicide a.

Jamie (141:05)

Week after the story went viral over the summer.

Joe Rogan (141:06)

Oh my God. He admits a counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses and then he kill himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction. Wow.

Jeff Dye (141:17)

What did he.

Jamie (141:18)

All sorts of fake autographs.

Joe Rogan (141:20)

Oh, yeah. Oh my God.

Jamie (141:23)

All sorts of.

Joe Rogan (141:24)

So of course there's a lot of that.

Jeff Dye (141:25)

Oh, dude. Tons of it.

Joe Rogan (141:27)

Yeah.

Jamie (141:28)

People repacking things.

Joe Rogan (141:29)

Of course you're always going to have that.

Jamie (141:31)

That's wild.

Joe Rogan (141:32)

Yeah, it's just.

Jeff Dye (141:33)

What? I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me too. Like, you know about the Chauncey Billups thing.

Joe Rogan (141:39)

What's that?

Jeff Dye (141:39)

He's a. He was the head coach hall of Fame.

Joe Rogan (141:43)

Oh, this is the NBA thing.

Jeff Dye (141:44)

Yeah, hall of Famer.

Joe Rogan (141:46)

The money scam.

Jeff Dye (141:47)

And then he's the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. So you have money coming in, you're not desperate, and then you gonna risk your entire reputation. You're going to risk your entire entire, you know, bank account by doing gambling and doing all this, like, dumb. I'm like, why would like at that point you think no more risks. Like, like, you're pretty good. Why. Why do corruption. Why have like all this like gambling nonsense? It makes no sense to me. I get it. If my friend does it, who's broke. And it's like, dude, I had to like pull some. You know, times are tough. This guy's the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers. What are you doing?

Joe Rogan (142:23)

I think people get addicted to just pulling things. Things off.

Jeff Dye (142:26)

That's what that one was saying, is that this guy said he was like. Yeah, that's why.

Joe Rogan (142:29)

Yeah, well, people are nuts, man. Like, the. The gambling addiction's a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game. You know what I mean? But they want to make it like. So they definitely are going to win. And they feel funny. It's, like, fun to get over. Like, you rigged a game, tricked them.

Jeff Dye (142:48)

Yeah, yeah. There's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.

Jamie (142:51)

They're bringing up video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed.

Jeff Dye (142:55)

Yeah. You strike these two players, they'll never play balls. Yeah. For $5,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make 30 million a year. You know, like, that's not, like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys. And they're, like, supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player. Like, they were doing these different things and they caught them, you know, these guys.

Joe Rogan (143:19)

So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?

Jeff Dye (143:21)

Yeah. And that's what makes it weird that, like, DraftKings and all these things such a big part of sports now, right?

Joe Rogan (143:26)

Because you're just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There's a UFC problem right now.

Jeff Dye (143:31)

Oh, really?

Joe Rogan (143:32)

Yeah. Yeah. UFC fight. So this was a story. A lot of the UFC has an organization. I don't know what organization they use. Maybe you could find out, Jamie, that monitors unusual betting activity in any fight. So the moment there's any unusual betting activity spikes, they contact the ufc. UFC contacts this fighter, says, hey, you're the favorite to win this fight. There's a very. A lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose. Like, are you okay? Is everything fine? Are you injured? No, no, I'm fine. I'm going to kill this guy. Okay. Has anybody contacted you about this fight? No. So he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted. Rear naked choke. Doesn't look good. Immediately, the UFC says, we called the FBI. So.

Jeff Dye (144:17)

Good.

Joe Rogan (144:18)

Now, apparently there's an investigation of many fights. Right. And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight. Yeah. And a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it, you know, really good fighters, and even went on to lose the fight, unfortunately, and. And. And didn't get the money. But we're open about it, right? Yeah. So it's one, like, patchy mix who was. He was Bellator champion, came over to the ufc and he said that someone. I think he said somebody offered him $70,000 or something like that to lose a fight. Something. Something crazy. I might be wrong. If it was him that said that number it might have been someone else, but so they're offering dudes, like, a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have lose, might lose to him anyway. Right. You know, like, it's probably a tight anyway, but if you definitely lose, so what do you do? You don't fight as hard. You. You make mistakes, you do something stupid, you know, you. You let them take you back, right? Get choked out. And if you're good at defense, you might be able to. As long as you're getting submitted, you know, you're not probably not going to get hurt that bad. And you'll be able to make an extra 70 grand when you might be getting 10,000 to fight. Right? So now all of a sudden, you got 80 grand. Are you al with it? Obviously, I think it's terrible. And it's.

Jeff Dye (145:44)

Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing?

Joe Rogan (145:48)

Well, I know fighters have in the.

Jeff Dye (145:49)

Past, because that would be fine.

Joe Rogan (145:51)

UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting on the ufc. I think it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody. No one's supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal. And so the other betting scandal was this guy who is a active MMA fighter and a really good coach, and he got accused of using this discord server, and they were running, like, a gambling discord server, and a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round. And he went out there and he lost in the first round. And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people bet against him because he's going to lose in the first round, and a lot of people maybe made money. So this guy gets investigated, the UFC bans him. I don't know what the status of his case is, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym. I think. I don't know if this guy. See if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym. The gym was. Is James Krauss's gym.

Jeff Dye (147:02)

Yeah. Because I was fine with. If they want to bet to win, you're like, I love that.

Joe Rogan (147:06)

Right? I love that, too. The thing is easy to trace when you. You were talking about, like, prop bets and stuff like that. Losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round, and everybody makes a hundred thousand dollars, you know what I mean? Like, some people are going to take that, right? Especially if a guy is, like, pretty good, but realistically, he's not Going to be a world champion. You know, maybe you're 32, maybe you've got a lot of fucking.

Jeff Dye (147:30)

Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.

Joe Rogan (147:32)

You might have alimony, you have off. You might have child support you have to pay off. You're in debt, and that's why you're fighting in the first place. And someone comes along and they. You're out of the hole. Now you're going to get a hundred thousand dollars to throw, and they're just going to bet a ton of loot on you, Right. And they're going to hope nobody notices. But I guess now people are noticing it and you can kind of see if someone's not fighting back. And that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy. I didn't see it live, so I didn't have fresh eyes, you know, I didn't see it live and go, God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?

Jeff Dye (148:08)

There's a bunch of NBA guys, some. Some Instagram accounts. Really good. He found.

Joe Rogan (148:12)

Excuse me.

Jeff Dye (148:13)

No, just dry mouth, dry throat.

Joe Rogan (148:14)

Have a sip of water.

Jeff Dye (148:15)

I got nothing.

Jamie (148:16)

Why? You sipped water? Yes, he was.

Joe Rogan (148:18)

We have previously coached by James Cross. Say that again, Jim.

Jamie (148:22)

He was previously coached by James Krause.

Joe Rogan (148:24)

Okay, so this guy who allegedly threw this fight was also coached by this. This guy who was involved in the betting scandal. So that's why computers are good.

Jeff Dye (148:36)

It's those kind of little things where you can find that, like, oh, this is on. Like, computers help in that way. For sure.

Joe Rogan (148:41)

That's a tangled web. If you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square. So the thing is, if you're just gambling on the square, if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankalaev 2, and you say, I like Pereira to get that title back, I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is. I'm putting two legs large, too large on poatan. Let's go. That should. That's totally fine and fun. Yeah. But when it gets to. You have a prelim fighter and he's only making ten grand and someone offers him, you're gonna get choked in the first round. And it's like, okay, I got it, I got it, I got it. And the opponent probably doesn't even know. So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy his back.

Jeff Dye (149:21)

Right. That's kind of funny. He's like leading him.

Joe Rogan (149:25)

Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give. Give it to him. There's been fights like that. There's been fixed fights, for sure.

Jeff Dye (149:31)

Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan (149:32)

Has to be.

Jeff Dye (149:33)

Especially in boxing. Oh, it's weird because those boxers are. Their lives are so tough.

Joe Rogan (149:38)

I mean. Well, they've always done that. Throughout history, guys have taken dives, you know, especially if you weren't connected enough. You know, if you were a guy that wasn't with a big time manager who had a big time lawyer and probably mob ties.

Jeff Dye (149:52)

Mob ties? Yeah, they all had mob ties.

Joe Rogan (149:54)

You had to have mob ties.

Jeff Dye (149:55)

I'm gonna lose a fight in if the whole mob's gonna kill my wife or something, bro.

Joe Rogan (149:58)

You don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties?

Jeff Dye (150:01)

For sure.

Joe Rogan (150:01)

If you're the heavyweight champion of the world and you're Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friend.

Jeff Dye (150:05)

And you're a boxer. They love that.

Joe Rogan (150:07)

Flatlining everybody.

Jeff Dye (150:09)

It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports. They just liked all the money part of it.

Joe Rogan (150:14)

Well, Marciano talked about it like that. Like it was. It's just my job. Yeah. But that guy was the freakiest training person I've ever heard of in boxing. Like, the freakiest training, training regimen. It was crazy. Like, part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic. And he lost one fight when he was younger, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired. He decided after that fight he was never going to lose a fight, ever, because he got tired. So he just put himself through this insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training. He would run 10 miles. He would do his training. He would hit the head heavy bag for hours. Then he would swim miles in the lake after training. He would spar 100 rounds a week. He would just get to the point where, you know, we're talking about redlining.

Jeff Dye (151:01)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (151:01)

And he did the same thing. He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore. And then he retired undefeated. But does that red line, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can't do forever. And I watched this video about it the other day. I'm like, this is bananas just to watch that guy's work ethic. And back when nobody had anything, you have no creatine, there's no vitamins.

Jeff Dye (151:22)

You know, I think about when you say the redlining thing, and maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his, like, the videos he posts and the things he does. But every time I know Michael Chandler and like, every time, like I see this guy, like, he's like, oh, you're in Arizona, like, swing by the gym. And he's like throwing the thing again. Like, he's just always, like in this. Like, he's. I'm going to shoot a TV show tomorrow, but I got to work out it. Like, he's always, always so tremendous discipline. Full on. Yeah. Like, never seen him going, I'm taking a month off or we're going to the pool.

Joe Rogan (151:52)

That's why he's still elite at 38. I believe he's 38 now, right? How old is Michael Chandler? I believe he's 38, but that's why he's so elite. He's never gotten out of shape. 39, 39, 39. Cuz that guy, people don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez. Alvarez, when they were at Bellator, that's.

Jeff Dye (152:13)

When I met him, was Bellator.

Joe Rogan (152:14)

One of the greatest fights in MMA history. Went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn't pay attention to Bellator, right? But this, the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts.

Jeff Dye (152:29)

Really.

Joe Rogan (152:29)

I mean, nuts. Play a clip of it. I mean, nuts, like from the opening bell to Matt, bad roosters just attacking each other. It is. It's so wild.

Jeff Dye (152:42)

Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to ufc? Like, they're still climbing the ladder, they're still in the hunt.

Joe Rogan (152:48)

Well, they were just. These guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC lightweight champion when he beat Rafael Dos Anjos. Huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a beast, but these two guys, from the opening of the, the first seconds of the fight, look, this is the beginning of the fight. Chandler's just right, throwing himself at him, just sprinting at him. Drops him, bro. Drops him again.

Jeff Dye (153:14)

Look at this.

Joe Rogan (153:14)

It's crazy. Alvarez survives somehow and he fires back, bro. These fights are nuts. The fights, I think they had that, I know they definitely had two, I don't think they had three. But in the. The two fights that they had together were insane. Insane. I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this.

Jeff Dye (153:32)

He's awesome, dude.

Joe Rogan (153:33)

And they're really evenly matched. It was a really good match.

Jeff Dye (153:38)

Looks a little bigger than him.

Joe Rogan (153:39)

Well, Chandler's a tank dude. Dude.

Jeff Dye (153:41)

Chandler's the best.

Joe Rogan (153:42)

And he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know, so when he leaps at you, like when he knocked Out Dan Hooker. He lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time. When he. He knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who is a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught. Find that one, Jamie. Find Michael Chandler. KO's Dan Hooker, because this was his UFC debut. And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive. And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same. This is his first fight in the ufc, the same he did in Bellator. He just charges Ford.

Jeff Dye (154:24)

I love it.

Joe Rogan (154:25)

I mean, this is how he always fights. It's do or die. That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite. It's because, you know, you're going to see this. I mean, he's just throwing bombs.

Jeff Dye (154:38)

Oh, big.

Joe Rogan (154:41)

He's just so dangerous, man. Because everything is 100% and hasn't really landed that. It's.

Jeff Dye (154:51)

Oh, that one hurt. That was just one, too.

Joe Rogan (154:55)

Here comes. And look at the immediate big knockout for Michael Chandler.

Jeff Dye (155:01)

Big right hand.

Joe Rogan (155:02)

Dan's hurt.

Jeff Dye (155:04)

Oh, my God. It's over, bro. That's a rap.

Joe Rogan (155:09)

And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage, bro. That's a freak dude. Freak athlete.

Jeff Dye (155:15)

I'm Met him. So I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money from Strangers, which was kind of like impractical jokers, but way darker. Like, we were like, a lot edgier. Was before money or before impractical jokers. And so they'd always send me to, like, MTV Movie Awards or any kind of those things. And I was like, I don't know. I live in New York. They're gonna send a car. I get to go on a red carpet. Whatever. I'll drink. It'll. I'll make it fun. And they happened to be behind me. The Bellator guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all. They're just waiting to get, like, Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is. So, like, we're basically. The photos they're taking are just something we're gonna save off the Internet because no one gives a shit. They were like, all Bellador guys. So people at this movie awards don't necessarily care. These guys are behind me, and they're like, this guy's fun because I'm making all these jokes and, like, goofing around, and I was already kind of, like, buzzed up. And so then that Michael Chandler and these two other, like, Bellator guys. Brog the Predator, you know, he is. No, he was a Bellator guy, too. Cleveland guy.

Joe Rogan (156:17)

Okay.

Jeff Dye (156:18)

Big guy. He's awesome, too. But anyways, these three guys, and they were like, this is kind of dumb. And I was like, yeah, this shit's kind of gay. I don't want to be here. You know? And then they were like, let's just go drink. And so we just drank and met people and hung out, and they're like, want to get Subway? And we got in a car and got. And got Subway, and I just hung out with these dudes all night, and I've been pals with him ever since.

Joe Rogan (156:35)

Oh, that's awesome.

Jeff Dye (156:36)

Yeah. But it's like. Like, I didn't really know what they did. I just kind of knew that they were, like, fighter guys. And so, like, I thought they were in UFC at that time, and they weren't. They were in the.

Joe Rogan (156:45)

Whatever was paying really well. And Bellator had a pretty good following for a while. I mean, it was doing really well. There was some real elite fighters out of Bellator, and a lot of guys, like, they came over to the UFC because they became famous, famous in Bellator. Like Ben Askren, he came over from. From Bellator. He actually did a stint at One FC before he came to UFC eventually. But there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know? Yeah, unfortunately, like Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima, at one point in time, was one of the best welterweights alive. And, you know, he was the Bellator champion. He's, like, the only guy that's ever knocked out. Michael Venom Page, do they have, like.

Jeff Dye (157:23)

An MMA hall of Fame?

Joe Rogan (157:26)

Yes, there's a UFC hall of Fame, and I think there's an MMA one, too. Maybe the MMA Awards, I don't know. There's a UFC hall of Fame, though.

Jeff Dye (157:34)

Yeah, but that's UFC guys.

Joe Rogan (157:35)

I know. I know some guys, they. They wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is, you know, there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for. And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the pfl, do whatever you want to do. But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion. That's just how it is right now.

Jeff Dye (158:00)

It's like major league.

Joe Rogan (158:01)

That's how it's like in boxing. If. If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts Then you're Terence Crawford. But if you're like a WBA champion, and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit's too confusing to the average person. And for most people, the UFC is what, for good or for bad? Just. Just a. I'm just saying that's just how most people think of it.

Jeff Dye (158:23)

That's how I probably annoyed them that night, because I was like, oh, you guys. UFC guys. And they're like, we're Bellator.

Joe Rogan (158:28)

Yeah. You don't go looking for cotton swabs. You go buy Q tips. You look for Q tips. That's what it is. Not just watching pro football, you're watching the NFL.

Jeff Dye (158:36)

Absolutely.

Joe Rogan (158:36)

And if you're so bored, you're watching the xfl, you start Canadian Football League, start going, I got to go to the gun range or something. I got to clear my head.

Jeff Dye (158:44)

Yeah. What would happen to me?

Joe Rogan (158:45)

I got to do something different. But I feel like that's just for better, for worse. It's just how it is. That's how it is in America. We don't have a lot of attention span. And if it's going to be elite fighting, it's got to be. There's like one organization that we follow. Sorry.

Jeff Dye (159:00)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (159:00)

And I follow them all. I follow everything. I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thais I do to boxing as I do to wrestling and Jiu Jitsu tournaments. I try to pay attention to everything just because I want to know, like, who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before.

Jeff Dye (159:17)

You see, Holly Holm did wrestling, bro.

Joe Rogan (159:19)

She'S a fucking athlete.

Jeff Dye (159:21)

She's the best.

Joe Rogan (159:22)

LA is an athlete. Well, after her fights, Mike Wickle. John used to. Used to like, like, she used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights.

Jeff Dye (159:30)

It's amazing.

Joe Rogan (159:30)

See if you can find that.

Jeff Dye (159:31)

It's crazy.

Joe Rogan (159:32)

She would win and then he would.

Jeff Dye (159:33)

Do this back, just add a place to watch wrestling. And then there was something she could sign up for. And she's like, it, I. I'll do it. And they just. And they were like, really? Cuz she's famous. So they were like, we'll. We'll let you be part of it. She goes, sure. And she did. And she was just like, the second they said her name, everyone cheered. It was like, not like a huge grandiose plant thing. There's no contract, There was no anything. She just did it. It's like this here. She texted me about it. I go, what? Like, did they go crazy? And she's like, no. Like, I mean, like, it was just fun. It was a fun thing. I thought, why not?

Joe Rogan (160:02)

That's the thing. We'll show that again. Watch.

Jeff Dye (160:03)

This is the best.

Joe Rogan (160:04)

Watch how they do this. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (160:08)

So cool.

Joe Rogan (160:09)

That was the thing they would do after all our fights. Well, she had back muscle, son. That's crazy.

Jeff Dye (160:15)

Yeah. What she said. Oh, she said the guy like her manager, whoever she asked about it, but brave flu was like. He was like, well, what if you get hurt? And. And her.

Joe Rogan (160:23)

The.

Jeff Dye (160:23)

This is great. She goes, yeah, but what if I win? And I was like, what a great response. And he was like, it. Let her do it. And so she did it. And I was like, that is the coolest thing.

Joe Rogan (160:32)

That's why.

Jeff Dye (160:33)

What a mentality.

Joe Rogan (160:34)

Multi sport martial arts champion.

Jeff Dye (160:36)

She's the best.

Joe Rogan (160:37)

She was a champion in kickboxing, you know, she had champion in boxing, women's boxing, in mma. She did the full trifecta, though. Yeah, she's the best kind of crazy. And she's a really nice lady, too.

Jeff Dye (160:49)

That's what I like about her.

Joe Rogan (160:50)

Yeah, she's sweetheart.

Jeff Dye (160:51)

I don't know a lot of fighters. Those. I named all the fighters I know, Michael Chandler and Holly Holm.

Joe Rogan (160:55)

That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia. It was a huge crowd, like a massive arena, man. And when she landed that head kick and you realize that Rhonda was out and then she's hammer fisting everyone.

Jamie (161:09)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (161:09)

It just didn't even. It was like when Mike Tyson got beat. Remember when Mike Tyson. You were too young, but when I was a kid, Buster Douglas, When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it, I heard about it. I didn't watch it. I saw a tape of it and I still thought he was going to get up.

Jeff Dye (161:24)

You knew the outcome.

Joe Rogan (161:25)

I was like, he gets up. There's no way. There's no way.

Jeff Dye (161:29)

No, I remember that for sure. Because Mike Tyson was larger than life. Like, and he was so, like one of those celebrities that, like, you knew everything he was doing.

Joe Rogan (161:38)

Doing. He was.

Jeff Dye (161:38)

Stars shined really brightly back then. There was like, Michael Jackson. You knew Michael Jordan. You knew Michael Jackson. You knew they would go out. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (161:46)

They would go to places and people.

Jeff Dye (161:48)

Big deal. Yeah, Mike Tyson. I remember being in the Kingdom watching a baseball game. It was the same night, I was a little boy. And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's.

Joe Rogan (161:59)

Ear.

Jeff Dye (161:59)

And the whole stadium reacted like. I mean, like, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large. Like, it was a very big deal, bro.

Joe Rogan (162:08)

He bit him twice. Fight. That was crazy. I watched the first fight today. I watched the first Evander Holyfield.

Jeff Dye (162:15)

Why'd you watch it today?

Joe Rogan (162:16)

I just felt like watching it.

Jeff Dye (162:18)

I love that I do that.

Joe Rogan (162:19)

Like, when I'm in the gym, I'll pick like an old fight, I'll put it on. And I put on that fight. I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight.

Jeff Dye (162:26)

I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a in my headset. That's all I listen to.

Joe Rogan (162:30)

You don't know me, son.

Jeff Dye (162:31)

Dude, it's the best. Like, I. Every time I'm. I was at Equinox this morning, I had David Goggins in my thing just going, you're a piece of. You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger.

Joe Rogan (162:42)

Goggins is the best.

Jeff Dye (162:43)

That's what I listen to. Or those kind of like YouTube things where they compile, you know, it's like just all motivation stuff with music over.

Joe Rogan (162:51)

You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation. Just do it for fun.

Jeff Dye (162:53)

I like it. Yeah. And it keeps me in the mindset. I always channel all of it back to like stand up comedy, you know, because, like, I'm working towards something. I'm in the hunt, I'm climbing and stuff. So like, they could be talking about a battle in war, and I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm. What's next?

Joe Rogan (163:09)

I'm gonna.

Jeff Dye (163:09)

Yeah, I'm climbing, you know, I'm still hungry.

Joe Rogan (163:11)

Yeah, that's a fun time. It's a fun thing to do.

Jeff Dye (163:14)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (163:15)

You know, the fact that you get.

Jeff Dye (163:16)

To do it when also, like, otherwise I just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know, but like, if I have that, I'm like, no, I gotta get up and write or I gotta get up.

Joe Rogan (163:24)

And you know, here's the question. You're doing this, obviously, and you're doing this for the love of the thing. And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you still do it. And I think the same way I would do it too. But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI. And we were having a conversation about the other day with Elon and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income? And then I went, wait, okay, am I. Are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life, you have to be doing just for money? Because that's what it is now. If you're, if you're a professional, you're doing it for money. If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right? Why are we married to that? And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do? And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity? And without being attached to an occupation? Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money? And then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has, like, what he was saying, a universal high income. What does that mean? Like, is that a feasible thing? Like, what is AI going to do with production? What is AI going to do with automation, resource extraction? How much money is going to be generated that you're going to be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income? Is that even possible? And if it is, what happens to people's desire? What happens to their dreams? Dreams? Do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing? Can't that be taught? If it's taught to you, if you figured it out, and I figured it out. If people have figured it out, they figured out, like, find a thing you love and you're never going to work again because you're going to love doing it, Whether it's building cars or painting or carpentry. If you really love doing it, you do it because you love it, right? Wouldn't that be a better way to. To live? I know, I know. You can't do it. I know, I know, I know. It wouldn't work. There's too much money in the stock market. I get it, I get it. It wouldn't work. But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live? If it's possible for you to live that way? If it's possible for me to live that way. If it's possible to find enough People that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep us aside, running.

Jeff Dye (166:17)

I think the point of life, in my opinion is meaning, you know, so you associate whatever that means to you, right? So like a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad that gives them enough. They have that meaning or they have, they have a hammer to hold on to. Like that, like they need that meaning, right? I need comedy. Like that's why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn't have, have comedy. I didn't have a outlet.

Joe Rogan (166:46)

How long did you go without doing any comedy?

Jeff Dye (166:48)

I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing like zooms and I was doing like underground things for rich guys. I like, I was the first comic, me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new Covid restrictions. We were the. Because they, they knew if they called me or Brad, we'd say yes. Like, like, like Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake, goes, we're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the, if the government chuck us down, would you be willing to come? And I was like, yes. I didn't even talk about price. I just go, yes. Like I. Because I need it now. Why do I need it? Because that's where I personally find my meaning now. If I maybe was at home and going, man, I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like, things are pretty productive around here. That's where I would have put my meaning. You know, I think like, and it's just where we put it. It's where we kind of put it. And I think so a lot of.

Joe Rogan (167:40)

Of people.

Jeff Dye (167:42)

Find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that gives them something to do, don't you think?

Joe Rogan (167:49)

Yes, I do think that. But what you're saying about. So if you just find meaning, what you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding. Yes, for sure. But also I think the human mind needs activities, right? I don't think think it's just raising children only. I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well, right? Just for your own sanity. But if you didn't have to worry about money, you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand up comedy because you love it. All the stuff that people do just for money, like the guy who does the septic tanks that guy's not having a good time. He's smelling other people's all day. He's pumping out other people's shit all day. That can't be fun, right? We need him, right? We need them until the robots come, and then you don't need them anymore. So this is the point. Like, what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning? He's probably not finding meaning in pulling out of people's ground. He's probably would like to do something different.

Jeff Dye (168:49)

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm so naive that I'm like, no, that guy should be proud of himself. Like. Like, I'm really. I look at plumbers like heroes. Like, I'm like, dude, the guy that, like, fixed the electrical in my house, I'm like, I love you, dude. Like, whatever. I can pay you, bro.

Joe Rogan (169:03)

I had a septic problem at my house once, one of my houses in California, when I first moved there. And it was so nasty. When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up, and I was like, what is this?

Jeff Dye (169:14)

Those are linked.

Joe Rogan (169:15)

Yeah. Well, what it was was the septic system. There's a pump. I was living on a hill and the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water. And then the pump, pump broke. And so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new instar.

Jeff Dye (169:32)

And that guy's my hero. Like, that guy. We need that guy.

Joe Rogan (169:36)

That's a Bud Light commercial.

Jeff Dye (169:39)

That's why I like cops and like what you're saying earlier, but the military, the nurses, like, they're gonna send a.

Joe Rogan (169:43)

Robot to fix your poop. The robots, people. A robot's gonna do it and it's gonna do it perfectly with AI and you're not gonna need a person to get covered in water.

Jeff Dye (169:51)

Okay.

Joe Rogan (169:52)

And that guy's gonna get of a lot, lot of money just to sit at home. But then what does he do?

Jeff Dye (169:56)

Right?

Joe Rogan (169:56)

That's the thing.

Jeff Dye (169:57)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (169:57)

Because I think a lot of it's going to happen really quickly. This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago. And it was sort of. I agree, agree with him, but it was a little abstract then and now this was way back. Was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president?

Jeff Dye (170:15)

I've never heard of Andrew Yang.

Joe Rogan (170:17)

You don't know what's that? Was it 2016? It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrea? Brilliant guy and had a very good 2020. He had a brilliant. Yeah, I Didn't think it was that long ago. A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs and including drivers. Right. Like you're seeing it with these Wevos.

Jeff Dye (170:45)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (170:46)

So there's. That is like, that's the first, that's the first sounds. That's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs. Because that is now you have these Tesla trucks that are automated and they can, you know, like my car, my Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving, does everything. I don't have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to. I don't do it.

Jeff Dye (171:13)

I never do it either. I have it and I don't do it.

Joe Rogan (171:16)

Yeah, it's. It's nuts. So that's going to be the future and there's going to be no driving jobs and. Okay, and then what about everything else? Well, everything else manufacturing is, it's out the window. Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day. They're going to be more efficient. No unions, no health care, no need for nothing. Right. They're never going to up. Everything's going to be categorized. They have sets. These, these mining operations in China where everything's automated. There's no people working, working at all. The trucks are driving, they're getting recharged, they're picking up the coal, they're moving the coal, they're bringing it somewhere else. It's all automated. It's bananas, man. So that's just a massive erasion or erasing of jobs. They're just going to go away.

Jeff Dye (171:57)

Well, the dot com did that.

Joe Rogan (171:59)

Yeah. But I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger. I think this happens. And first everybody's like, oh, this sucks. And it's like, oh my God, this is. It's not stopping. It's not stopping. It's taking over everything. It's going to be all jobs. There's going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more.

Jamie (172:17)

Right.

Joe Rogan (172:18)

Coders. Like all that stuff's going to be done with AI. It's going to get so weird if you're going to college right now, because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years. Sure. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (172:30)

Well, but so I get that problem. But someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free. So they don't. Because of this.

Joe Rogan (172:40)

Well, here's the thing. If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything. It's going to control everything. It's going to generate insane amounts of wealth. But the question is like, how does it even get distributed?

Jeff Dye (173:02)

That is part of that. I don't.

Joe Rogan (173:04)

How does that work? Who's got the money? If you're just giving people money and then they what they.

Jeff Dye (173:09)

Now everyone's a trust fund kid in a way, you know, they don't do anything. They just sit around and eat.

Joe Rogan (173:14)

And what do you, what do you get people involved with to occupy their time? You know, do you encourage them to join religious groups? Do you get them to be involved in games? Do we try to give people meaning? We are we all just going to sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we're going to be the last civilization of real.

Jeff Dye (173:33)

People 100 years from now. They're going to be like, I think I want to do what the robots do. People like what, you know, in the old times, you know, people would actually have to do and then that maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know.

Joe Rogan (173:45)

Dude, the Terminator was accurate. Yeah, oddly accurate. Remember you, do you remember the first time you saw that movie? Like, this will never happen.

Jeff Dye (173:55)

I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator. I was on mushrooms with my buddy Randy and he forgot that he had a long distance girlfriend. He forgot that he was gonna call her. So we just ate, you know, four grams of mushrooms, like a big, like we just crushed them, right? It was Covid, you know, and we had nowhere to be is the point. So we just went, we're going full journey, you know, we're gonna do a bunch and we eat them. We're sitting there and then he, he goes, all right, I forgot I was gonna call Rachel. And I'm like, all right. But it starts to kick in a little bit. He left Terminator on. And then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen. So there's two like cute guys, like flirting with each other. And one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment. And I'm just sitting there watching Terminator and like, he can't be killed. You know, Terminator is like, the bullets are just going through him and then the metal just kind of starts forming again. And I'm just sitting there. I don't know if I was there for 20 minutes. I don't know if I was there for seven hours. And I'm just freaking the out going, God damn, you can't kill these Terminators. And these gay guys keep looking at me, and I don't know what Randy's doing. I thought he just abandoned me forever. I had like, I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore. Luckily, he came down and goes, all right, let's go to the roof. And I was like, thank God you're here. I went up there and talked about it all, but, like, I was freaking the fuck.

Joe Rogan (175:12)

How long was he on the phone for?

Jeff Dye (175:13)

Don't know. I'm going to guess 15, 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan (175:16)

But it seemed forever.

Jeff Dye (175:17)

Oh, it seems so long. And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything. And then also the Terminator, like, just seemed, like, so pointless. I'm like, why? You can't kill it. Just. Just surrender, you know? You can't shoot through this thing.

Joe Rogan (175:29)

Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?

Jeff Dye (175:32)

I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching, like, if it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but. But it was.

Joe Rogan (175:37)

How many have there been? I don't know how many. It wasn't Fast and Furious or Terminators.

Jamie (175:45)

Fast and the Furious Furious didn't also become a TV show, I don't think yet.

Jeff Dye (175:48)

I just saw the new Predator and it rules.

Joe Rogan (175:50)

Terminator became a TV show? Yeah. When? No, really?

Jamie (175:58)

Did the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Joe Rogan (176:01)

No, I haven't seen the new Predator.

Jeff Dye (176:02)

Dude, it rules this.

Jamie (176:03)

2008.

Joe Rogan (176:04)

2008, huh?

Jeff Dye (176:07)

I didn't watch it. That looks ridiculous.

Jamie (176:09)

That was the thing. They made a lot. They went down the rabbit hole with Terminator. But there's a bunch. There's probably like six movies now.

Jeff Dye (176:14)

I think I was watching, like, T2 or T3.

Jamie (176:18)

Terminator Salvation. Six of them.

Joe Rogan (176:22)

You know, the last ones that just. Just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood.

Jeff Dye (176:28)

You ever seen a leprechaun movies? Yes, dude. After a while, they're just like, leprechaun Goes to Space. Leprechaun in the Hood. Like, it was just literally put the leprechaun in some setting.

Joe Rogan (176:39)

It's funny that that one caught. You know, some things catch and they become like cult classics. The leprechaun movies were called classics.

Jeff Dye (176:46)

Very good.

Joe Rogan (176:47)

Yeah. And the troll movie. You ever see the troll movie?

Jeff Dye (176:49)

I saw Troll 2, which was like, the worst film that's ever been Made. Have you seen that?

Joe Rogan (176:53)

Which one's that?

Jeff Dye (176:53)

There was no Troll 1. They just made Troll 2 2. It's so bad. It's phenomenal. Like, it's absolutely the best. The best. Watch. If you watch Troll 2, you'll watch the first scene or whatever, and you'll go, oh, he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life. And then the next person will come in the scene. You go, oh, no, she's the worst actor. And it just keeps going. Everyone is worse than the next person.

Joe Rogan (177:14)

Oh, God.

Jeff Dye (177:15)

So bad.

Jamie (177:16)

I think they remade Troll 2, and it's coming out on Netflix.

Jeff Dye (177:19)

You're kidding.

Jamie (177:20)

I just googled troll 2 and there's a trailer for. For a movie coming out. This.

Jeff Dye (177:23)

They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

Joe Rogan (177:26)

Oh, no.

Jeff Dye (177:26)

And. Oh, you're kidding. No, this is different.

Jamie (177:29)

Yeah, no, I know.

Jeff Dye (177:30)

These are pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan (177:31)

He's got a cult, too.

Jamie (177:32)

I don't know what the.

Joe Rogan (177:32)

It came from Troll have a big dick.

Jeff Dye (177:35)

That's his tail or something. Yeah, it's got a tail. It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though.

Joe Rogan (177:39)

Well, it's like, why does he conveniently have, like, animal skins over his dick?

Jamie (177:44)

1990 was when the other one came out.

Jeff Dye (177:45)

Yeah, that gross.

Joe Rogan (177:46)

I would imagine you wouldn't. Would be totally comfortable being naked.

Jeff Dye (177:49)

Just.

Joe Rogan (177:50)

Who cares? You're not modest, you know. Why? Are you going to cover your giant dick?

Jeff Dye (177:54)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (177:54)

Your giant bulletproof.

Jeff Dye (177:55)

Show it off while you kill people.

Joe Rogan (177:56)

Swing. And while you're stomping on people, last thing I do. See that helmet dropping down.

Jeff Dye (178:00)

That's why you lost your house. Look at the size of my cock.

Joe Rogan (178:02)

Yeah. This is ridiculous. Why would he be vain? Or why would he be modest? You know, what's supposed to be really good looks really good. Is that new Frankenstein.

Jeff Dye (178:13)

Oh, yeah, the Guillermo del Toro. Yeah. Yes. I haven't seen that. But you don't like the Predator. Predator movies.

Joe Rogan (178:18)

They're good. I liked the Prey one. The pretty good. That was a good one.

Jeff Dye (178:22)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (178:22)

Fun, you know, the command.

Jeff Dye (178:24)

A lot of Indians dying in that, you know.

Joe Rogan (178:26)

Yeah. It was kind of crazy.

Jeff Dye (178:27)

That one felt weird. This one. I don't want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator. But it's so good.

Joe Rogan (178:37)

Really. It's really good.

Jeff Dye (178:38)

It's really good. Yeah, I loved it.

Joe Rogan (178:39)

Oh, it's the one. Where. Is she a robot?

Jeff Dye (178:42)

She's a robot. Which also makes it more realistic that she's so, so, like, able to do everything anytime I'd start to feel sexist. Like, oh, my gosh. They did this, like, girl power thing. You're like, no, she's just a robot they made look like a woman. So it's not like you have to feel like it's not, you know, whatever.

Joe Rogan (179:00)

So this is predators getting up here.

Jeff Dye (179:03)

This. So it's based off this one runt predator who's on. That's why he looks kind of weird and shitty. No, that's the. That's the prince.

Joe Rogan (179:11)

What? It is. Yeah.

Jeff Dye (179:11)

I didn't see spoil anything, but he's like a little runt. Oh. And so that's why he's out to prove himself. Like, because he's smaller than all of them. He's missing a fang. He looks a little weird, but that's because he's supposed to look weird. Because a lot of people are like, this. This predator looks stupid.

Joe Rogan (179:25)

Damn. 85. That's interesting. 93. Like, this movie.

Jeff Dye (179:31)

No, I loved it, dude.

Joe Rogan (179:32)

I like when they can do that with a movie. You know, you think like, oh, what is this gonna be?

Jeff Dye (179:36)

Right? Flip it on how I felt. And every time there would be a thing where I'd start to criticize it. Like, I'd be like, this feels like Mortal Kombat. And then in my mind, I'd go, jeff, you love Mortal Kombat. I was all right. And then, like, the next part be like, this kind of Star Wars. I'm like, but I love Star Wars. So, like, I kept, like, coaching myself. And then after a while, like, this movie's really good.

Joe Rogan (179:53)

Yeah. You gotta just enjoy things. Yeah. That's what I tell people when I play AI music for them. Like, just forget about the fact the robots taking over. This is great music.

Jeff Dye (180:02)

This is a pattern of every famous person I know.

Joe Rogan (180:05)

What'd you say, Jamie? Great is tough, but which one's tough?

Jamie (180:08)

Great. Great is a weird word for it.

Joe Rogan (180:10)

Amazing. How about that?

Jamie (180:11)

It's very good.

Joe Rogan (180:12)

That what Up Gangsta? Is amazing. You know it is.

Jamie (180:15)

I just.

Jeff Dye (180:15)

I've.

Jamie (180:16)

I've gone so many rabbit holes, too. Watching cover songs, though, like my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it. The real. The real.

Joe Rogan (180:24)

Listen, the real bands are better for sure, because it's a real band, so it's a real person. But I love listening to AI music.

Jamie (180:32)

I know there's one going viral.

Jeff Dye (180:33)

I've never even heard of this.

Jamie (180:34)

There's a. It's not officially number one. It's like a weird designation, but there's a. A song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.

Jeff Dye (180:44)

Well, DJs. DJs kind of did that.

Jamie (180:46)

Too many listeners a month.

Jeff Dye (180:47)

DJs were kind of like the first version of that. Like, they're putting in their robot and then like, making the songs and sampling and stuff. So this is just. I mean, it's not that far deviating.

Joe Rogan (180:57)

This is way deviating. This is. You could change the kind of song. Like, you could have it like a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it. They're like. They're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sound has to be good. It's amazing. It's so good.

Jeff Dye (181:17)

It has to be the way you just described it.

Joe Rogan (181:19)

It will.

Jeff Dye (181:19)

It has all the music.

Joe Rogan (181:21)

We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up, and I'll play you a little what up, gangster? We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this. Every edit out it anyway.

Jeff Dye (181:31)

Every. So many successful people I know are really like, big music heads.

Joe Rogan (181:35)

Oh, music is a drug, man.

Jeff Dye (181:36)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (181:37)

It's a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you move around at Mothership.

Jeff Dye (181:42)

You guys are always playing good music up in that green room, and I'm always like, what is this? Like, every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going, what's this one?

Joe Rogan (181:49)

Tony's got a bunch. Well, everybody contributes. Everybody. When they find a cool song, we'll bring it into the green room and then we'll add it to the. We got the playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something. Something now. Yeah. It's crazy. You just keep adding cool songs. That's perfect, Jeff. D anything. Website, Instagram, Twitter.

Jeff Dye (182:07)

I just launched a podcast.

Joe Rogan (182:08)

Oh.

Jeff Dye (182:09)

It's called Die Hard.

Joe Rogan (182:11)

I like.

Jeff Dye (182:11)

Pretty good.

Joe Rogan (182:12)

Yeah.

Jeff Dye (182:12)

D Y D Y E Hard.

Joe Rogan (182:14)

Okay.

Jeff Dye (182:15)

Once a week comes out every week. You can watch it on YouTube or wherever. You listen to podcasts. It's on everything.

Joe Rogan (182:20)

I like the name.

Jeff Dye (182:21)

Yeah. And then at first, I didn't. Because of you. I made it for everyone, you know, Like, I. I had it behind a thing on a Patreon and like, n. Don't do that. I'm growing.

Joe Rogan (182:31)

Yeah. It just. It won't grow. That's the problem. Like, you get some money for, like, a complete lack of.

Jeff Dye (182:37)

Yeah, I'd rather everyone hear it. And. And then also we. We'll start doing a thing where it's like, once a week, we'll do the, you know, a face to face where I have, like, an interview with somebody that I like and. And sit down and. And do, like, a proper podcast.

Joe Rogan (182:51)

Beautiful.

Jeff Dye (182:51)

But, yeah, and then jeff d.com to.

Joe Rogan (182:53)

Find all my tour dates, and I'll see you tonight.

Jeff Dye (182:55)

Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan (182:56)

Yes, sir. All right.

Jeff Dye (182:57)

Thanks for having me, brother.

Joe Rogan (182:58)

All right, here's the music.