#2443 - Filippo Biondi

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2443 – Filippo Biondi

Date: January 23, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Filippo Biondi, Telecommunications Engineer, Satellite Imaging Researcher

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Episode Overview

This episode features Filippo Biondi, a telecommunications engineer and researcher at the forefront of an explosive and controversial new study of Egypt’s Giza Plateau. Biondi discusses his team’s use of advanced satellite-based radio tomography to map the interior and substructures of the pyramids, revealing what he describes as vast, previously unknown, architecturally regular chambers and shafts far beneath the ancient monuments. If verified, these findings could overturn conventional views of ancient history, the purpose of Egypt’s pyramids, and humanity’s technological past.

The conversation explores:

• How the scanning technology works and its scientific validation
• The discovery process and its implications for archaeology
• The skepticism Biondi faces from mainstream academia
• Speculation about the pyramids’ true purpose and age
• Future projects aiming to unlock more ancient secrets worldwide

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Sections

1. Filippo Biondi – Background and Credentials

Timestamps: 00:13–04:00

• Biondi summarizes his education in telecommunications engineering at the University of Lecce, with a PhD from Sapienza University, Rome, and years working on radar and satellite technologies, some under classified Italian military projects.
• He’s part of a research group led by Corrado Malanga, professor of chemistry at the University of Pisa.
• Anecdotes about Italian mathematician Ennio De Giorgi and early academic influences.
• The development of the scanning method came from defense research and collaborations with the Italian Research Council in Bari.

Notable Quote:
“Radar is installed on board on the satellite… it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth... this vibration… carries inside of this the information that is located underground.” – Filippo Biondi [04:00]

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2. How the Technology Works

Timestamps: 03:34–07:22

• The technique uses synthetic aperture radar (SAR) on satellites orbiting at ~600 km altitude.
• Utilizes the Doppler effect (frequency change due to motion) to isolate “evanescent waves”— mechanical vibrations at Earth’s surface that encode information about subsurface structures.
• Processing these vibrations allows tomographic imaging (essentially 3D “x-rays” of subterranean features).

Notable Moment:
Joe Rogan jokes about Italian-English accents, and Biondi explains scientific terminology for clarity.

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3. Initial Discoveries and Expanding the Research

Timestamps: 07:22–11:13

• First focus: Mapping the known chambers inside the Great Pyramid (Khufu/Khnum Khufu).
• Results accurately matched known structures: the Grand Gallery, Queen’s Chamber, King’s Chamber—validating the technique.
• Published initial peer-reviewed results in 2020.
• Expansion to scanning the whole Giza Plateau, spurred by co-researcher Armando May.

Notable Quote:
“We have detected this multi-layer structure… from space… and also… gave an image of the other known structures.” – Filippo Biondi [07:36]

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4. The Jaw-Dropping Discovery: Massive Underground Structures

Timestamps: 10:26–15:44

• The team observed immense, uniformly aligned columns beneath the pyramids, 20 meters in diameter, connected by gigantic spiral or coil-like arrangements.
• Initial skepticism: Biondi and colleagues withheld the data for six months, suspecting artifacts in their processing.
• Used multiple independent satellite systems (Italian, American Capella Space, etc.) and replicated results over 200+ scans for confirmation.

Notable Quote:
“We started to use also other satellites…when we had the same results… we decided to disclosure.” – Filippo Biondi [12:03]

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5. Scientific Validation and Comparisons

Timestamps: 14:01–15:22; 39:03–39:59; 124:55–126:50

• To counter skepticism, Biondi notes the method’s proven ability to accurately measure known subterranean structures like the Gran Sasso particle laboratory (1.4 km under a mountain), and dams or tunnels worldwide.
• Radar from space is precise due to low environmental noise.

Notable Quote:
“I invented the method. Yes, I know. But I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things.” – Filippo Biondi [39:39]

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6. Pushback from Academia and Archaeology

Timestamps: 13:14–16:48; 94:53–95:02

• Rogan and Biondi discuss entrenched resistance from archaeologists ("gatekeepers"), especially in established institutions, often due to the paradigm-shifting implications of the research.
• Some critics claimed radar can’t penetrate to those depths; Biondi clarifies that the method captures data from surface entropy, not EM wave penetration.
• Patent status: Biondi reveals a new patent has been filed, superseding older ones.

Notable Quotes:
“They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans…” – Joe Rogan [13:14]
“It is something that maybe is too big, too huge to be disclosured like that today.” – Filippo Biondi [15:22]

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7. What’s Under the Pyramids?

Timestamps: 17:38–24:21; 28:27–35:01

• Descriptions of vast columns spiraling downward beneath each pyramid, ending in gigantic, uniform chambers—roughly 80 x 80 x 80 meters each.
• Coils and other patterns suggest possible engineered intent, with hypotheses ranging from electrical/chemical reactors to power plants, matching ideas from thinkers like Christopher Dunn and Jeffrey (referencing the "Giza Power Plant" theory).
• Connection found between the Sphinx, pyramids, and shafts that may give physical access.
• Shafts go as deep as 600 meters, apparently blocked by debris—possibly from the prehistoric great flood.
• Biondi’s scans also identify horizontal corridors connecting different structures, all of which appear human-made.

Notable Quotes:
“All with uniform results?” – Joe Rogan
“Yes. Wow. Yes.” – Filippo Biondi [13:11]
“We are sure… the pyramids are not tombs.” – Filippo Biondi [16:59]
“A vertical structure…with a spiral nature…” – Filippo Biondi [18:35]
“At the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, approximately 80 meters.” – Filippo Biondi [23:34]

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8. Implications: What Was the Purpose, and Who Built These?

Timestamps: 24:21–29:56; 55:14–63:33

• Strong support for non-tomb theories: pyramids as energy-generating devices, resonant structures, spiritual/mystical “gateways.”
• Biondi’s simulation work suggests the “sarcophagus” is a live-person resonance chamber, potentially for consciousness-altering or out-of-body experiences.
• “Coils” observed around underground columns may be indicative of electromagnetic, vibrational, or chemical processes.
• All major Giza monuments share identical underground patterns, suggesting a single ancient plan.

Notable Quotes:
“We have only the measurements—now we need to go see what there is inside.” – Filippo Biondi [25:40]
“It is time to go there and see what there is in person.” – Filippo Biondi [34:00]
“Those shafts…are for us. They are calling us. Our rights are to clean them and see what there is and go down and explore them personally.” – Filippo Biondi [49:56]

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9. The Age of the Pyramids—How Old Are These Structures, Really?

Timestamps: 63:36–73:59

• Biondi posits the pyramids may be far older than 2500 BC—possibly built between the mythic Zep Tepi period (36,000 years ago) and the end of the last Ice Age (~11,000 years ago).
• Supporting evidence: Salt deposits inside the pyramid (suggesting ancient flooding), vertical erosion of the Sphinx (dated to periods of higher rainfall millennia ago), and conflicting king lists (Zep Tepi).
• Mainstream academia prefers to attribute older texts to myth, but Biondi advocates more open investigation.

Notable Quotes:
“The pyramids are older than the dates that are written in typical history books.” – Filippo Biondi [63:53]
“I live in Italy. But now…I wish to see the effective structure.” – Filippo Biondi [41:25]

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10. Funding, Excavation, and Next Steps

Timestamps: 45:04–48:09; 79:44–81:21

• Biondi’s group is readying formal project proposals to begin careful excavation and in-situ exploration, with preference for robotic over human investigation due to safety concerns.
• Estimated funding needs: $20 million+, mostly for robotic machinery and safe access.
• University of Ferrara (Italy) likely to take lead on excavation for scientific impartiality.
• Anticipation of public fundraising and possible international support.

Notable Quotes:
“We want to use drones, robots…using machines, not humans.” – Filippo Biondi [46:34]

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11. Global Implications and Future Projects

Timestamps: 37:39–38:46; 108:23–110:54

• Plans to scan and potentially explore other megalithic sites: Puma Punku, Göbekli Tepe, the Labyrinth of Herodotus in Egypt, Peru’s Sacsayhuamán, Gubbio (Italy), Karakora (Russia).
• Technology’s utility in resource mapping (water, mining), with philanthropic aims via a new foundation in Malta.
• Satellite-based scans can be programmed for any location globally, daily.

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12. Radical Theories—Philosophy, Harmonics, and Mysticism

Timestamps: 53:18–61:56; 92:10–103:08

• Biondi explains the “Z” (multi-layer monument) within the Great Pyramid as a giant vibrational antenna, capably acting as a low-pass filter and resonance device.
• Suggests ancient builders used harmonic principles, resonance, and “working with nature” rather than “forcing” things, as in modern hot fusion vs. cold fusion analogy.
• All measurements in the pyramids relate to universal constants.

Notable Quotes:
“You attract energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagate them below…” – Filippo Biondi [53:22]
“Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature…” – Joe Rogan [100:53]

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13. Broader Context: Lost Civilizations and Archaeological Blind Spots

Timestamps: 87:00–117:04

• Discussion extends to underground labyrinths (Labyrinth of Herodotus), anomalous structures in Russia (Karakora shaft), and other found-but-unexplored sites.
• Many such sites only “fringe” because of lack of official investigation; methodology could revolutionize archaeology if broadly adopted.
• The main argument: If the paradigm is wrong, evidence keeps piling up until acceptance becomes inevitable.

Notable Quotes:
“They are the gatekeepers…fighting an uphill battle because at a certain point…you have to give up and go ‘I don’t know’.” – Joe Rogan [114:49]

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Memorable and Notable Quotes & Moments

• Filippo Biondi on the Spiritual Purpose of the Pyramid (Out-of-Body Hypothesis):
  “Maybe that person was ready to have an out of the body experience induced like a gateway?” [56:57]
• Joe Rogan on Paradigm Shifts:
  “If this is true…this rewrites history because you’re dealing with an advanced civilization demonstrably more advanced than us.” [29:56]
• Filippo Biondi (About Disclosing the Findings):
  “The results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this.” [33:10]
• Joe Rogan (on Egyptian Official Reaction):
  “Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it?” [34:03]
• Biondi’s Simple Philosophy:
  “The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. It is not difficult. It’s very simple to read the universe.” [100:56]
• Jamie’s Analogy:
  “If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you’d be like, what the… They worship mice.” [59:11]

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Additional Timestamps of Interest

• First mention of deep shafts and potential chambers below Giza: [10:26], [19:43], [28:21]
• Direct discussion of “coils” and structural patterns: [21:30], [25:34]
• Estimated cost, logistics, and future plans for Giza site excavation: [45:04–47:01]
• Skepticism, history wars, and commentary on academic resistance: [13:14], [39:03], [49:17], [94:53]
• References and plans for scanning other ancient sites: [37:42], [108:23], [109:02]
• Philosophical reflections and the “species with amnesia” meme: [127:21–127:41]
• Website for following Biondi’s work: harmonicsar.com [128:23]

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Conclusion

Filippo Biondi’s work—if substantiated—represents a seismic shift in the study of ancient Egypt and potentially, the very timeline of human civilization. By employing space-based radio tomography, Biondi and his team have reportedly uncovered vast, regular, and unexplained man-made structures beneath Egypt’s iconic pyramids, structures whose scale and complexity far exceed traditional explanations.

Biondi maintains that these findings, met with both excitement and deep skepticism, demand open scientific exploration. While he resists making wild claims, he’s clear: the pyramids are not tombs, and our picture of prehistory is glaringly incomplete.

For more:
Visit Filippo Biondi’s project at harmonicsar.com.

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Transcript

[Filippo Bioni]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Filippo Bioni]

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[Joe Rogan]

How are you, sir?

[Filippo Bioni]

Fine, thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid and incredibly controversial. Very fascinating. And if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group and the dean professor of chemistry at the University of Pisa.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you explain your background please, so people understand? Yeah.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, my background is this. I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate at the university.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that word again? Say it again.

[Filippo Bioni]

Telecommunication engineering.

[Joe Rogan]

Telecommunications engineer. Okay. Your English is excellent, but the Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate.

[Filippo Bioni]

Thank you very much. I'm sorry, yes. That I'm not mother tongue of English.

[Joe Rogan]

It's still much better than my Italian.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, thank you. Yes, I graduated myself in university at the University of Lecce, south of Italy. Very nice university. And it has the name of a famous mathematic Italian, which is Ennio de Giorgi. Ennio de Giorgi was living in the era then John Nash was living also and they were one against to the other and they were both studying the 19 Hilbert problem. And Ennio De Georgi solved this problem one week before John Nash.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, interesting. John Nash, who from the famous movie Brilliant Mind with Russell Crowe.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yeah. And so then I performed my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome and now I'm here.

[Joe Rogan]

And how did you get involved in this, this discovery?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I worked on radar and synthetic radar for a lot of time for the Italian military. Right, Some work, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Which you can't really talk about.

[Filippo Bioni]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Filippo Bioni]

And I was involved in some research where together with the Italian Research Council of Bari, always south of Italy, we was testing some special processing that were able to perform something special. And so this is.

[Joe Rogan]

So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite based technology, correct?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's radio tomography.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is installed on board on the satellite. The satellite flies in space at a distance of 600 km at 7 km per second in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth. The snapshots has to be focused. And this focusing procedure, let's say it in the azimuth, I take it easy, in the azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound because it is involved at the so called Doppler frequency. You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise will rise the frequency because it, the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you. And so the frequency is rise up. And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the Earth in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the Earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground. And so we did this.

[Joe Rogan]

And was it a specific idea specifically to look under the pyramids or was this something that was discovered accidentally?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, yes. Once we discovered, we discovered this method, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. And at that time we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to, to conclude the research that he was doing. And so I proposed him to use my technique and we started to work together and so we focused in that time on the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

And when was this? When was the first scans?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, in 2019.

[Joe Rogan]

In 2019. And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, let's say that this research can be divided by two. The first one 1.0. We were concentrating research on the Khnum Khufu pyramid, the Cheops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have detailed, tailored our processing to watch all inside the pyramids, because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper and we gave public the results that we found inside the Khnum Khufu pyramid. We decided to expand our research in all the Giza Plateau.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I stop you there? When you looked. So we know quite a bit about the Khufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?

[Filippo Bioni]

Absolutely, yes, because we have detected this multi layer structure that is inside the Khnung Khufu Pyramid, the so called Z. We have discovered it very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid. And also we discovered the new. No, we discovered it. We gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand Gallery.

[Joe Rogan]

The Grand Gallery.

[Filippo Bioni]

The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's Chamber and.

[Joe Rogan]

The King's Chamber also and accurate in.

[Filippo Bioni]

Terms of size and dimension and also position and location.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, we decided to focus below the pyramid because our intention was to expand our research. And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Giza Plateau.

[Joe Rogan]

And so what, what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

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[Filippo Bioni]

In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the Kefre pyramid and like Khnum Kufu and then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this, very nice things began to appear on our results.

[Joe Rogan]

What did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe the diameter is 20 meters.

[Filippo Bioni]

20 meters.

[Joe Rogan]

So they're huge, enormous Columns?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What went through your mind?

[Filippo Bioni]

Skepticism. Skepticism. I told Otso Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk without disclosure or anything for six months, because my opinion was that was not real. I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures.

[Joe Rogan]

Did give you pause at all, that they were so uniform, that these columns were in very specific places and that they lined up. There was a uniform gap in between them.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And why we disclosed this? Because we started to use also other satellites. And once we. At the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system. That is, it is Cosmos chimed. And Cosmos chimed. Second generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites. Because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching confirmation. So once we had the same results, while we were using American satellites called Capella Space and also other satellites having always the same results, we decided to disclosure.

[Joe Rogan]

How many different scans have been done on this area?

[Filippo Bioni]

2 or 300? More than 200?

[Joe Rogan]

More than 200. And all with uniform results?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Wow. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of resistance to this. And it's from the usual characters, and it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, we have a particle collider where I have born in l', Aquila, which is located in the center of Italy. At the center of Italy, there is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d', Italia, which has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters, for being precise, 29, 93 meters. And so there there is a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about 1112 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say, like that.

[Joe Rogan]

And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, 1.4 km with respect to the top.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. So we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is? I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What do you think it is that is causing this resistance, personally?

[Filippo Bioni]

Is true. We found a lot of resistance. Yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why I can say something regarding, to my personal opinion, Joe. It is something that maybe is too big, too huge to be disclosured like that today.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know why it's confusing to people because it's essentially paradigm shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The alignment is the perfect true now, true north, south, east and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment. Whoever built it and when they built it, it's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, we don't know anything. We really don't. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb, doesn't look like a tomb. And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Which, you know, he's an engineer and he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Yes. In this, in this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher, Dan, and I like a lot his theory and it makes sense. And so these discoveries match us a lot with his. And also to other scientists that make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs today. We are sure, we are sure of one thing, that the pyramids are not tombs.

[Joe Rogan]

They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if, if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. Yes, that's just the top.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And underneath it you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored, but you have data that shows that. Let's, let's look at the images, let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? Like what was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling. But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I agree with you Joe, because what we found, it is something that has been confirmed by our measurements. And at the moment I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there aren't other data. So what we are observing, we are observing principally vertical structure. This vertical structures has a pattern, a regular pattern. And this regular pattern is constituted by a so called spiral nature. I found this.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are the right one?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yes, that is the Kafre pyramid. And you see Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X. So the horizontal dimension we have the space. Okay, Space, adjust the range. And on the vertical we have the depth.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

On the top we have this, the, the, the pyramid. You see, you see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down. And look, you have the spiral nature of the, of the, of the structures.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So what are, let me see some other images? No, because this is just one.

[Jamie]

Right, I know that's what this is from his presentation and I didn't know where to get the best.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, back up one.

[Filippo Bioni]

So go, go. Okay, again we have a lot of images here that, that is recasting all the, the research that we have done together.

[Joe Rogan]

So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate. Pull up some more of those. Okay. Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath. Correct.

[Filippo Bioni]

We have performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are, that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites. So they are very precise and they are coherent. Coherent. It means that contains a lot of information. So it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform the so called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And how are you getting that? From the image that's below that. Okay, so the image is just one aspect of the data, correct?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, the image this okay, here we are observing inside the Khafre Pyramid. And inside the Khafre Pyramid, we are observing those structures there. Those are inside the Khafre Pyramid.

[Joe Rogan]

And the image above that is an artist recreation of what you think it looks like. Now, how did you make that determination? That's what it looks like.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay. The 3D model has been retrieved. Not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve. So to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay, so observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located starting from the base of the Kafre Pyramid going down.

[Joe Rogan]

I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So let's see if we can find, find some of those. What else do you have here?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, these are all images that are related to the first.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is just an article that's in the news.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I even went here.

[Joe Rogan]

What is, like, where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that, Right there. Okay. Okay. What is this?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, here we are watching a wide area of our, of our tomography. Look. And we see the structures that are going down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, this is much clearer.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

And below the, below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately having a width and the length and the height of 80, 80 meters.

[Joe Rogan]

So 80 meter structures that are below all this?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So almost the size of a football field. Below all this. That is some sort of a chamber.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come in this uniform?

[Filippo Bioni]

I, I have a, two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, let's see if we can find those slides.

[Jamie]

Do you know which, you know which slide?

[Filippo Bioni]

Maybe if you go down, please. Yeah, wait, wait a minute. Okay, okay, here, okay, here we can observe a regular pattern. So not, not coils. We go down, please. Okay, regular pattern. And the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image here. Regular pattern. Go down, please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right. The fifth image. 1, 2, 3, 4. The fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the, at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure. And then we have something that spirals down.

[Joe Rogan]

So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be? Like what these coils are?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I spoke with two independent. With, let's say, with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn, and also I spoke also with Jeffrey that is considering also the GISA power plant, like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have on one side. Scientists that say, okay, can be something related to electricity, or we have something related to chemical, to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can see anything. I can say anything, because I just measured what there is there. So it is not my, how you say, My. My job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, let's go. Let's go there and see what there is.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's start digging.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Pull up some more images, please. Jeremy.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, this is very important. If you want, I can tell you about this. Okay. Because it is the very important research project that I am working now. And it is something that, if could be possible, we can go there and without digging anything, we can go below. Why? Because belonging between the Sphinx and the Khafre Pyramid, there are some shafts and there are the photos of the shafts where we can go in situ. And we can physically go there and watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish inside. So I performed a lot of scans at those shafts. And you see, Joe, the shafts goes down, down, down, down, and they reach chambers that are below.

[Joe Rogan]

And that is the Doppler tomography readings.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So these shafts go down. How far do they go down?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, they go down approximately 600 meters.

[Joe Rogan]

600 meters, wow.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So 600 meters down and then they reach a chamber.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? Like, what is. What do current archaeologists, what is academia? What do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes. This is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did. And so to observe all the structures that we have find that we found evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Jizza Plateau.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids.

[Filippo Bioni]

And also the Sphinx.

[Joe Rogan]

And also the Sphinx, Yes. And they all seem to go. Do they go down to a uniform depth?

[Filippo Bioni]

We found at the moment the same depth. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And they all have chambers at the bottom?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's, in my personal opinion, the next thing that we are dealing at the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers.

[Joe Rogan]

How huge?

[Filippo Bioni]

As I told you before, 80 meters, times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

The same dimensions.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning because it just. It just makes you think, like, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrites history because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Because they were able to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the Earth below.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like, one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase, of one of the many vases that they have that is accurate in its. The way it was made down to God. What was the number? A thousandth of a human hair. Something crazy like that. Like, much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it. And the fact that it was carved, that is incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They, you know, they supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it, no one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it. So it couldn't even been turned on a lathe.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And also, if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions. And the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of universe. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of, like, very strange calculations that they were able to make. Like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox, passes right through. It's a fascinating place.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

When you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you when you're. When you're realizing, oh, this is real?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. It was something that was very, very nice for me because. Because when we. The thing was, I was saying always to. Shall we disclosure this or not? I think for now, not for now not. But then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this.

[Joe Rogan]

How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?

[Filippo Bioni]

One year. One year.

[Joe Rogan]

So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like I have the biggest secret on Earth.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

How weird was that?

[Filippo Bioni]

Only to pass on YouTube.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth that's backed by data. I mean it's not, it's not even like you know, someone told you something like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And I tell you Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is in person.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Filippo Bioni]

Because it's now time, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it?

[Filippo Bioni]

I tell you Joe, I didn't far find a lot of resistance there. I found a lot of resistance in the Internet. Yes, of course. A lot of the banking. A lot of people that know it's not true, it's not true. A lot of people that continues were continuing to say no radar can penetrate the Earth for 1km. And they didn't know or they, they, they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with, with, with that information we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented. But it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method and this is 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired. But that's because you have new patents on better stuff.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Now Joe, I am under NDA so we just. I think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in usa.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes. I tell you this. There are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction and then also water. Joe, today we are living particular time because water is very important. We are in a so called water emergency in all the world. So for me the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch to, to find, to try and find other, let's say opportunity to extract not salty water because it's very important.

[Joe Rogan]

So you'll be using this technology for that as well.

[Filippo Bioni]

We, for now not. But I'm thinking to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that would be if. And it's, and it also, if it's accurate, that will also help garner support.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

For this, this exploration of whatever is under there.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what, what we can do.

[Joe Rogan]

And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids.

[Filippo Bioni]

The most are calling me recently. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So they've heard about relatively recently.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's capitalism. Right. They, they say, oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah, well, that's good. That gets people interested, it gets people involved in this.

[Filippo Bioni]

And so we have also a philanthropic, philanthropic project. We are opening a, a foundation in Malta. We, we are realizing it in two weeks and we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation we can operate also philanthropically for the Giza Plateau and other ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? What is next?

[Filippo Bioni]

Maybe we can see Puma, Punku or other sites.

[Joe Rogan]

Go backlite Gobekli Tepe.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath the, the ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben van Kirkwick has been talking about and his uncharted X channel where there is a huge atrium with a 40 meter metallic object that's a shape of a Tic Tac.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. They asked me to do it and we will do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you have to do that.

[Filippo Bioni]

I, I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but requests a lot of calculations. So it is time consuming at the moment. At the moment we have some computers that are dedicated on Giza and other project that we are doing. And in the future maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things, but we will do it. We need time, but we will do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate? Or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it, has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms?

[Filippo Bioni]

Radar is only precise. The nice thing that has radar is the precision, and especially from space, because space, it is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something. The, the platform is very stable, so when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precision, with absolute precision.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites. Correct. Not just one, so that one could have errors. So you're convinced?

[Filippo Bioni]

I'm convinced 100% because wow, I did the. I invented the method. Yes, I know. But I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got there first. So no matter what, I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archeology. Because if you are, you're welcome. But it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, and we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century, I mean, that's absolutely mind bending.

[Filippo Bioni]

Thank you for this. Yes, I, I am happy for, for being in this. But not, not only me, other people helping me to, to do my work.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, oh sure, of course, a lot.

[Filippo Bioni]

Of people and in principal my family. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This, these structures and this, this whole area. If this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt. I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in Sub Saharan Africa. An advanced civilization that in the area is not now sand. You could probably do that same sort of research there as well.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I, I agree with this and we will do it. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. What is life like for you now, having this exposed and now, you know, having this on the Internet and all the speculation and all this excitement. What has that been like for you?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I am not very used on all this exposure on the Internet. It is something that I have to get used of this. Yes. My life is simple, Joe. I live in Italy. But now I repeat this, it is time to go ahead and go on the Giza Plateau and in person. I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of all the plateau, what it is and.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of an excavation?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I wrote a project proposal which is research and also not research, a proposal and is now. Our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want, I can explain you this proposal.

[Joe Rogan]

Please.

[Filippo Bioni]

We are involving University of Ferrara principal scientist Professor Savacaro, Italian professor, she's a geologist and other. And other governmental. Italian governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans, in situ scans. So we are not using my technique. We use the state of the art technique that it is recognized by science. Today. And our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you that we have seen. Because we are not 90, 99% convinced that or sure that those, those are natural entrance into the, the, the structures that are below that are located below because we have the vertical structures. And you saw on the, on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's corridors.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, you have.

[Joe Rogan]

And how large are these corridors?

[Filippo Bioni]

About, they are tall, about three meters tall.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so about nine feet tall.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes. That will. Using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the coils that we are visualizing, that we visualize before.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's passages and shafts and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures.

[Filippo Bioni]

The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning because they are sand. Debris.

[Joe Rogan]

Debris, yeah. And is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff?

[Filippo Bioni]

It depends. When we submit the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in, in, in Egypt that when we are ready we can submit the project proposal. Then we are, we are at. When the government if, if approved the project, we can start now.

[Joe Rogan]

I would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And how do you, how do you hope to acquire that?

[Filippo Bioni]

We can say people that this, this work is not for me, but it's for humans. And so people, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people, have you.

[Joe Rogan]

Reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?

[Filippo Bioni]

I don't know them, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't know them?

[Filippo Bioni]

No. But maybe it's a big ask.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, it's a big ask. You know, asking a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean how much money do you think it costs to do this?

[Filippo Bioni]

We have to do. We did an estimation of the, an estimation about, I don't know, for maybe, maybe belonging for 20 millions or, or more.

[Joe Rogan]

$20 million. And this is just to clean the.

[Filippo Bioni]

Shaft and go underneath and because why so much money? Because we are, our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will. We want to use drones, robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And that way you can get accurate real time video and yes, yes.

[Filippo Bioni]

With cameras. And it will be something. I am thinking about this the most, maybe is one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now, today. And so we can recover modern and ancient together.

[Joe Rogan]

So you've been giving this presentation now and you've been going around, what has that been like? What is the reception of it been like?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, a moderate positive reception.

[Joe Rogan]

Moderate positive. So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing. But you have to show me more.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out.

[Joe Rogan]

You're out?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important universities in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work is better.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Filippo Bioni]

And I'm out. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You showed them what's there. You showed them the technology. Now good luck.

[Filippo Bioni]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. Thank you and good luck. So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Yes. Tell me how you set this up, how you. How you set it up. So how you explain it to these. When you have these semi skeptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're going to tell them I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up?

[Filippo Bioni]

Oh, they were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they. Everyone. The first thing that they ask me is how it works. And that's good. And so I slowly explain them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation, to have our results and so on. And someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical, which is what you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of thing?

[Filippo Bioni]

Healthy debate? Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the only way you find out what the truth is.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don't want to polarize people following me, you know, it's not my. It's not my job, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only that, it's not. You're just discovering something.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

This is something that's there. And for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Like if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it. And if you're wrong. Okay, now we know it's not true. But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate.

[Filippo Bioni]

Do not investigate. It's a crime to not investigate. Yes. And I tell you the solution to. We don't have to dig Holes ruin what is now preserved. No, we have to only clean enough. We have to only clean and we have to use what there is made. It's for us. Because those shafts, they are for us. They are calling us. Our rights are to clean them and see what there is and go down and explore them personally.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it just seems like these shafts exist alone and they are at that depth that you describe and they are the dimensions you describe. It really does lend credence to what you're saying, because it seems like there's a purpose for those things. And if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, seems like there's something there.

[Filippo Bioni]

In my personal opinion, they were built purposely.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you see the access points, probably.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, they are access points. They are. They were made probably to. You know, Joe, when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take. Their function is to transport air, light, and so cool what there is inside.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that makes sense, yeah. And also access. Show me some of the other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at. Okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, this is that said. This is. Ah, Mario Pinkerle. Mario Pinkerle was a researcher that he died that the. On 2011 12. And he was studying the Z, which is the multilayer monument. Let's call it the monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. This is the.

[Joe Rogan]

And this is the outlined image in the lower left hand corner.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah, that's the tomography that we. That we have retrieved. Look. It's very precise, right?

[Joe Rogan]

It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What do you think the function of that thing is?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, the function is this. You see on the top of the structure, there is something like a cap. Yes, like a cap. That cap has a precise function to attract the vibration. Okay. It's an antenna in the vibration domain.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, Antenna in the vibration domain.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

Attract the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay, Here I did a simulation. Now, I'm sorry, because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I reproduced the function of the Z on the computer. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

And look, on the right side we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to Each layer, look. And you can see that each layer, look how strange it is. Each layer on the top of each layer, it is a scattered. Look on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a. It is a low pass filter made by stones. Very crazy. This. That's a low pass filter.

[Joe Rogan]

A low pass filter. What exactly is a low pass filter?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, a low pass filter is a filter that allow us that. That allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer. Frequency stabilizer. And low pass. A certain low value of frequency. Okay, right.

[Joe Rogan]

And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory that there was something underneath the pyramid, that there was a chamber that they were using to generate vibration and that that vibration would go through the entire structure.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer, look. Transmits directly inside the so called sarcophagus. That's not a sarcophagus there.

[Joe Rogan]

And so what do you think? That's what they call a sarcophagus. This immense granite box.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah, let's call it. Yes, the granite box. Yes. And then inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. And that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down.

[Joe Rogan]

So do you think there was actually a man inside that? So a person would lay in that box?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And what would happen to them?

[Filippo Bioni]

I don't know. Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

So I don't know.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's a simulation that I did about. It's precise.

[Joe Rogan]

So you don't think it's for a dead body, you think it's for a live body?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever.

[Filippo Bioni]

Probably, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box?

[Filippo Bioni]

I can say something that is not scientific. Recognizer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah, Maybe. Keep it up there, Jim. What do you think?

[Filippo Bioni]

Maybe that person was ready to have an out of the body experience induced like a gateway?

[Joe Rogan]

A gateway to the spirit world.

[Filippo Bioni]

Look, on the top you have the antenna. The antenna is recepting all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting.

[Joe Rogan]

And what do you think was generating these vibrations?

[Filippo Bioni]

Ah, yes, the natural. The Wind, the natural vibration of the earth and also some, let's say, flowing. The flowing of water. Also the flowing of water can generate by flowing.

[Joe Rogan]

There was also shafts that were. This is part of Christopher Dunn's theory. These shafts that reach the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.

[Filippo Bioni]

Can be.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's another possibility.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, another possibility.

[Joe Rogan]

He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.

[Filippo Bioni]

For this can be. Yes, can be.

[Joe Rogan]

But we don't through the entire structure. And this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it and then someone is laying in the sarcophagus tripping balls.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. Is that.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out of body experience or psychedelic gateway experience? I think that's true.

[Jamie]

I think it's psychedelic. Disney World.

[Joe Rogan]

I do.

[Jamie]

I seriously, I had that epiphany like two months ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I don't want to explain it, but please do. I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at like a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

That is only in reference. You only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, what the. They worship mice. What the are you talking about? This is insane. Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so true.

[Jamie]

But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you, you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like. Or the teacups.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

It's nonsense. It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel amazing. But also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You can put them all together and be like. You could feel like a God.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the.

[Filippo Bioni]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

I just had that wild idea one day.

[Joe Rogan]

It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. And what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's Belt? You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box.

[Filippo Bioni]

Naturally you go out.

[Joe Rogan]

What. Who knows what it does to the body and the mind? Because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard. And we love music and just vibration itself. And this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly to knock out all Maduro's troops. What could this thing have been?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I am relatively sure that the principal actor of everything can be water, vibrations, so sound. But we are dealing now to the third thing. So the purpose, the exact purpose of this. Maybe it can be also one more than one purpose. Not more than one Scopus of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be. Now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something, of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the Earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe. In some. They have to resonate with the universe. The universe, Joe, it is not complicated. It's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things. The matter, the particles, the light. Yes, but everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the velocity, the speed of light, C3 times 10 to the 8 kilometers per second. Then you have the velocity of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants. That arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of recasting the constants of the universe.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's what you think the pyramids did personally?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, personally, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

How old do you think they are?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes. On the. Sorry. They tell you the starts of it. I start speaking Italian.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's okay.

[Filippo Bioni]

The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. So to see something that. To say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the Zap Tepi. So more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the Earth. So the Zep Tepe began. And in a time belonging the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramid. The pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

So, like what? I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So do you have an idea? Do you. Do you have an estimation? Like, what is your personal belief?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. We can't say exactly the year.

[Joe Rogan]

So Zep Tappy, let's explain to people what that is, since we're. I sometimes forget Zep Tepe is the thing that I described to Zahi Hawass, and he dismissed it. But there's this. I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list, and it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years. And it's very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs. Yes. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zepp Tepe, we have. We have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, go back. Tepe was big problem.

[Filippo Bioni]

Is a big problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Also more than 11,000 years old, for sure.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah, yeah. And as we saw.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella is a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid complex at Giza. And the text describes a pharaoh, Khufu, who ruled from 2589 to 2566 B.C. visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the mistress of the pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the 26th Dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Khufu, its wording is. Continues to draw attention because it portrays the pharaoh as a restorer rather than the original builder. Whether inscription provides older traditional reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramids. Now, this exists throughout history. The temple of Tenochtitlan, where the Aztecs had when. When they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they found it like people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not. There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs and they built. So there's a long standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella, is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. So I sent this to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said to me was that there's a strong suggestion that the Khufu Pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's eastern flank. And all that looked like damaging evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating the statements from the Stela, the Egypt, they chose to devalue them. In his quotes, they chose to say, ah, that's just inconvenient. But if it's, if they are describing it that way, that seems like this is a long standing tradition of people finding things that exist. There's clearly Ancient Egypt itself. Dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restorer.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes, I agree with you, Joe. I tell you there are some facts that we have to observe because I am used to observe before I say something I have to observe. So I am not an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer, I'm not an Egyptologist like that. But I can observe inside the pyramids they found a lot of salt that were attached on the walls. So they find salt. Why there was salt there first, second, the shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris, why they are tapped. So if the Great Flood is an historical parameter recognized. So let's say 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say something like that. I don't remember precisely. The Zep Tepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood, we can locate the pyramids and the Sphinx.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. So the Great Flood, we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zep Tepe, you're looking at 30,000 plus years ago.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, we can say I'm an engineer, I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you can find some images of salt in the Great Pyramids because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive Flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously Noah and the ark and the flood in the Bible. But this salt.

[Filippo Bioni]

Joe, two months ago I went for the first time to visit the pyramids and I found salt on the wall. There is still salt.

[Joe Rogan]

And you think that salt is probably.

[Filippo Bioni]

Because I taste it of water of the sea.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. I forgot to bring it to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Topped off with debris because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded, you're so many years later you're left with salt everywhere.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And that's why the reason that I don't want that people goes to work inside the shaft, because they're dangerous, can collapse, the debris can collapse because you can have bubble of air. And so it's dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Filippo Bioni]

Robots has to go. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it makes more sense. Robots are safer.

[Filippo Bioni]

And that's also so everything is connected. The Great Flood, the Zepp Tepe and the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Filippo Bioni]

If that turns out convinced with that. Yeah, I am convinced that maybe 18, that I. I go in the center. 80, 18,000 or something like that. 20. Between 18,000 and 20,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what's crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony west thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Shock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid and then, excuse me, the.

[Filippo Bioni]

Temple of the Sphinx. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the water erosion, he's like, this is.

[Filippo Bioni]

It's vertical.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, it's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, like that was 9,000 years ago.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, it is necessary now when. That's why this research and this activity that Hope we will do it is very important.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Filippo Bioni]

Because this, it is able to rewrite everything.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? You know, I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, than conventional. The conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I agree, I agree. Because as I told you before, this is time. This is the time to. To see effective what we. Which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them.

[Joe Rogan]

But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing.

[Filippo Bioni]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metal's gone, everything is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most things really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And if we see the, the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say the, the Chaops pyramid, which. I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that, that is composing. The Grand Gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this or.

[Filippo Bioni]

Joe. I remember when I was young, very young, I used to, I had it, how you say, I had a personal computer, very old one. And I was always playing, always on something that. And that was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime I realized that I liked the pyramids. And so I was very young.

[Joe Rogan]

So the personal beauty, just researching the pyramids, is that what it was?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. What do you say?

[Joe Rogan]

Just looking at pictures and images.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Filippo Bioni]

On the pyramid.

[Joe Rogan]

So you always were fascinated by it, but did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this?

[Filippo Bioni]

No, never.

[Joe Rogan]

So it only happened within the last few years?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. I began, I began working so being interested on Pyramids starting from 2018.

[Joe Rogan]

So it was right after you started. Yes. Doing this research.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And you start saying, okay, what is this?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And so when you start to do research on something that is our history, our past, our origins, because our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there because it is important that it is important to research our origin because in this meantime, humanity does not know. We don't know who we are, we don't know our origins, we don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in studying the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And it is for me very. It is something that I have it always in my mind only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones and how. I don't know how everything.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all how.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What gave them the idea like were there any previous pyramids? Because it's weird because the older you go, the more complex the structures are and the newer ones are kind of shitty.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So, okay, so we went from that, we showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?

[Filippo Bioni]

I showed principally all the structures that are under the Kafre pyramid and also under each pyramid. And also I described the method on how going below without drilling anything. And so I showed them, I showed them that there are the entrances are there on our eyes everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them, why they are so dirty, why they are so without any kind of work of renew methods? I don't know why.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it seems like there's limited resources.

[Filippo Bioni]

First of all, cbs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. And also it seems like Egypt entire economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism. Because it's so fantastic, there's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

[Filippo Bioni]

I also find a method to combine so not stopping the tourism. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area inside the area we work and outside the area safety. All the people can visit the Giza plateau.

[Joe Rogan]

Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go.

[Filippo Bioni]

Oh yes, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath and maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety always, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain depth. So they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present. And so they go up from the shafts and they go up to the Khafre pyramid and they go Away from the entrance here and they go intercepting the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be amazing.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean it would just be much more tourism.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And also all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And imagine also this. What can we find below down there? What can we find? This is a question that I am asking because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside. I am showing that, that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

What are you seeing when you. We're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there's a chamber. Is that what you mean, that one? Yes, right there. So that structure that is at the bottom, what's that?

[Filippo Bioni]

I don't know, what's that?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Filippo Bioni]

It's very huge, very huge.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's at the bottom of the shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah, look, the horizontal corridors.

[Joe Rogan]

And so there's more horizontal car corridors. During the. When you traverse down into the shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Then you, you there's. You intercept.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Other corridors. And how large are those corridors?

[Filippo Bioni]

By about 3 meters tall.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's 3. So there's these 3 meter tall shafts that go to the side. These corridors that go to the side.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Along the way and then also down at the very bottom.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're convinced of this? This is awesome data.

[Filippo Bioni]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And no one's ever sent a camera down there.

[Filippo Bioni]

Those are human made structure, like a ring on another ring. Look, it is very clear if you observe the structure, those are man made and they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom, all the debris.

[Joe Rogan]

And that debris you think was a lot of it because of the flood.

[Filippo Bioni]

I am hundred percent sure of this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Filippo Bioni]

So the pyramids or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don't know which kind of work were used to do, but stopped because of the Great Flood. So we can go back in time in 12,000 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

And when people, the people that don't know if you're hearing this, like what Great Flood? That's just not. That's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Dryas impact theory. And the Younger Dryas impact theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the Earth Earth that are allowed around the 11,800 year mark, and then I believe again in the 10,000 year range. Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that. But that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth. But there's a layer of it. They also find these nano diamonds that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Trinitite. So what it's called. What are those? Nuclear glass. What is that called? Tritonite.

[Filippo Bioni]

That what it's called Something related to vitrification.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

So this exists all over the world. And it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. But another scientific indicator is the debris. Why there is that debris?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Why so much?

[Filippo Bioni]

So much.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Why so much?

[Filippo Bioni]

If we do carrot age drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how deep we can go. So why there is all that debris there? We don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

That it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Completely makes sense.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, if we do the chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because were mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soil.

[Joe Rogan]

Also you could get dirt from the very bottom.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And get some sort of organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Very interesting. Yes. It's possible. Can be possible.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. If they did that and it lines up directly with the younger gyrus impact theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. Like all of it is just nuts.

[Filippo Bioni]

We saw.

[Jamie]

I was looking at the Osiris shaft here. This shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Just near these other ones. When they found it, there was water down there. They had to get out. And the water is not only cold, ice cold, it says clean enough to be drinking water.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

And I don't know that it doesn't. It sounded like it refills itself.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so there's a spring down There. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground penetrating radar to discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the 1960s and to help the farmers. And unfortunately that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose and that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it. See if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the Great Pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. My God.

[Joe Rogan]

My God. Like, what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed. Including us, just in a different way. Including us, just in a different way.

[Filippo Bioni]

Just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which of course is composed by drinkable water, and the water that they found compounding the, the Osiris shaft and the water that transported all the debris. But that water was salty water because of the great flood. So it was water of the sea composing the sea.

[Joe Rogan]

Which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus quote. I've seen it myself. And indeed words cannot describe it, though the pyramids beg a description. And each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks. This maze surpasses even the pyramids. That is crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like?

[Filippo Bioni]

No, but see if you can find.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of that, because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough. Unchartedx. It's Ben van Kirkwick's. This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just staggering.

[Filippo Bioni]

Wow, how nice.

[Joe Rogan]

This is all underground.

[Filippo Bioni]

And so I think we, the next, the next site that we can study can be this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that's, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real. Weird, because you find a spaceship down there, then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do? They're lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go how long? A kilometer. The entire thing into the Earth.

[Filippo Bioni]

1.22.

[Joe Rogan]

1.2 km into the Earth from the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers. Wow, wow, wow. This has changed maybe from 2018 to now from you researching this. And does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general?

[Filippo Bioni]

In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we can, if we, if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. More impossible than before. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

More impossible than. I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that. You're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

If not more. And the engineering involved in it. You're an engineer. The engineering involved in doing something like.

[Filippo Bioni]

That, like how, how they can cut the granite so precisely, is impossible. Is impossible also today is impossible.

[Joe Rogan]

So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics, and they probably went in some completely different direction.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Yes. Because the modern science started from a point and then as you are saying. Right. We followed a direction which is the direction of light. Because most of the. Our inventions, our. Yes. Internal combustion engines and other stuff, but principally we use light because we can see it. We can see it, we can see light. Okay, we use light. But other existence, other people that was living in the past maybe use other things that we don't know, Maybe sound, maybe sound.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it seems like if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct. Yes, they were obsessed with vibration and sound.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, they were obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all the structures that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound or they maintain clean the sound.

[Joe Rogan]

It resonates sound, it has a very specific echo to it.

[Filippo Bioni]

That Z, like that is magnificent. The Z is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice.

[Joe Rogan]

And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this, this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression in civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out and then we figured the wheel out and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. But more likely there was some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down. And it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, Joe, then we are speaking about modern living. But modern living has to be sustainable. I don't think that our model living is. Is so sustainable.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no. I mean, even our population isn't sustainable. No, we're in population collapse. In many countries in the world. South Korea, Japan even. There's arguments about America itself that we're in population collapse.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And we're also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, lies and propaganda. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. We have a weird society today, but it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that is. That's the most exciting thing about our time.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so much room for discussion.

[Filippo Bioni]

I want to, if I can, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made. It is like that. We are not made to research or to find the harmonics, the harmonics in our living. And so I just want to make you an example. Do you remember in the 80s when the Cold fusion rises? So maybe we are speaking about Fleshman and Pons that made for the first time they had a glass of water and inside they made a mini nuclear reactor inside. They had some results that were very, very poor results. I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away that. That experiment. So. No, they debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the cold fusion is how we are. Because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance. Why? How, how it works, called the fusion. We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start putting together these two atoms. But while we put together these two atoms, there are the atomic forces that tends to, no, I don't want to stay with the other atom. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and they are transformed in helium plus energy because of the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together. So. So the force together. And that is hot. Yes, that is hot fusion. Cold fusion. You convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay, so today, what method did they.

[Joe Rogan]

Use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, you have to find a third material that convince the two atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple. You have a couple, A girl and a man. They don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a third person between them, at the center of them, and she and maybe a third person convince the man and the girl to speak together. And they will speak together. Okay, so the third material, which is palladium, they used palladium. Palladium has the physical property to make speak together the two atoms. And without force them they naturally transform into helium and they generate energy. Because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms with mass difference, you will generate energy.

[Joe Rogan]

And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. This has always been the quest.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. So we have two paradigma convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the street that you were speaking before science had this street. We want to have things by using force not convincing. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where we are. That's nuclear power.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, nuclear energy. Yes. Because I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor that uses the tokamaks or something related to laser that uses that forces together the atoms to is something not natural. Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that. That it is the right creation. That was the past.

[Joe Rogan]

They were the right creation. They were doing it the correct way.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

[Filippo Bioni]

In harmony with the nature and in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. It is not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, show me more. Show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here? When you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes, we can go to that slide.

[Joe Rogan]

This stuff is is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far of all subjects. Ancient history and particularly ancient Egypt is my favorite subject. Okay, we stop to so undeniably interesting.

[Filippo Bioni]

If we can go a slide up here. Look, here we are dealing with something that happened in 202022 after this. After our our paper was published. Because these results are on our first paper. Look Joe, that slide there that, that.

[Joe Rogan]

The lower left side. Yes, yes. You depict chambers that were previously not known.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah, that's the big void. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

The big void.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's the big void. And then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zakia was Wow. They made the paper but they I I depicted six months before.

[Joe Rogan]

So you let them know it was there and then.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's the corridor.

[Joe Rogan]

Found it.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's the corridor, Yeah. I don't want to say that I found it, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And again, how crazy is it? They're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century. Pretty spectacular that they're just finding this now.

[Filippo Bioni]

And just yesterday I was to examine it again there. I don't have it. I don't have a slides here. I'm. I am sorry but there are the results of the scan Pyramid project. The scamper usual is very good. I okay. It is a. They are. It is a very nice project project group and they discovered the the so called big void. But there is a problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. Not steady, but inclined like inclined in an inclined Right. Examinating their results. I was observing something. Maybe I say maybe I can't say that I am right of this. Maybe they are miss they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top of the. They are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery. Like that. I observed the results but in my personal opinion the big void is not inclined but it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the Grand Gallery. Yes, there and also up. Yes, that's the Grand Gallery. It is not inclined. It's flat like that is how you say is steady not inclined.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's the Grand Gallery.

[Joe Rogan]

Why do they think it's at an incline?

[Filippo Bioni]

Because we are not seeing. We are not. My technique does not detect is not detecting an inclined chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.

[Joe Rogan]

Why do they think there's an incline.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the lower part of the Grand Gallery.

[Joe Rogan]

I see.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay. They have to be careful.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, we can see the results that I obtained on the Gran Sasso. We can see the Gran Sasso and the laboratory of Gran Sasso. That is the perfect. A benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide.

[Filippo Bioni]

Below, I think. Ah, okay. Okay, we go to Gubbio. This is a town where I live. I am.

[Joe Rogan]

This is Sacsayhuaman.

[Filippo Bioni]

Sacsahoman, yes. This is Saqsohaman. And here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Giza scanning activity are finished.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is in Peru, correct?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And so you want to scan this as well, because, you know, we've had quite a few people on describe this.

[Filippo Bioni]

Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows. Yes, they are like marshmallows. How they did those. Those things there?

[Joe Rogan]

Enormous, some of them, a hundred tons carved from stones that. Who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, go back, just a few words on this city that is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of this, of the city, of the town, asked me to perform scanning around that colosseum, that mini colosseum that is located in Gubbio, because probably there is a huge Roman city. Not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there.

[Joe Rogan]

So a lost Roman city that's around that area?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubbio.

[Joe Rogan]

So is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things?

[Filippo Bioni]

One of the next.

[Joe Rogan]

But yes. Yeah.

[Filippo Bioni]

And there is also Karakora, also very interesting. The. The slide 51, please. Yes, yes. Karakora. Yes. This. This is located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there. And this is in Russia. Yes, yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And how big are these things? Yeah, just keep this up just for a couple seconds. I just like, how big are we? What are we looking at here?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, we have 9 plus 16, plus 7 plus 10, plus 36. And they go below. So maybe 2 or 300 meters below.

[Joe Rogan]

2 or 300 meters. And there's this immense rectangle at the.

[Filippo Bioni]

Bottom of these corridors and it goes more, more deeply. And so nobody knows what there is.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you look at that image, it's clearly man made structure.

[Filippo Bioni]

It's man made. Absolutely, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean look, they're stones. They're placed.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That is nuts.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And they don't. There's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it.

[Filippo Bioni]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered probably all over the world.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Yes. The nice thing of this is satellites are global globally. So one satellite flies from, let's say South Pole, North Pole, South Pole, like that. Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say the wheel of the orbit remains steady and the earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady. Right. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day. So you can program snapshots where you want in all the earth in one day.

[Joe Rogan]

And how many satellites are up there?

[Filippo Bioni]

There are the satellites that contains on board of them a payload composed by a synthetic aperture. Rather there are a lot. There are different satellites companies that provides these services. So today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay. I call the company and they put case for me an image.

[Joe Rogan]

And this structure in Russia. How was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers manually?

[Filippo Bioni]

By explorers manually, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it?

[Filippo Bioni]

That man? Because there is only a man that went down because it's very narrow. But once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large. Measure it manually. All those depths, but more there than then you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you find any images of that, Jamie? Online?

[Jamie]

I'm looking into something. I'm stuck in a hole. Someone was sort of saying that's in a different spot. And I was trying to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a different path.

[Joe Rogan]

When did they discover this?

[Filippo Bioni]

I don't remember.

[Jamie]

2011.

[Filippo Bioni]

2011.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why, but it is clearly man made. You're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And you have the same.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. It says it's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube style sources rather than former archaeological publications because it hasn't been explored.

[Filippo Bioni]

Correct.

[Jamie]

That's 15 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, pretty. Pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all our questions through. And it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between in the Russian Caucus, often simply described simply as north Caucus or Caucus mountains, with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy that they don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named, named the Kara Hora. Is that. Am I saying that right? Kara Hora.

[Filippo Bioni]

Hora Shaft.

[Joe Rogan]

Shaft. Which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology. But you know, look, it exists. Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like what, who made it, what is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. And it just makes you think like if they just found that in 2011 manually, right?

[Filippo Bioni]

And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there, or other sites between that carahora, maybe we will find other things, right?

[Joe Rogan]

It could be a part of an enormous complex, who knows? But just the fact that that exists, exists and that a human made that or humans made that, that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it really does like anybody that boy, modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle because like you can't. At a certain point in time you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an I don't know moment.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, this an I don't know moment.

[Joe Rogan]

What the hell is that?

[Filippo Bioni]

What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Show me some more images, Jamie. Because it's really kooky.

[Jamie]

The shaft.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, just that what that looks like.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's.

[Jamie]

I'm trying to. It's. I'm digging down a hole and there's a post here on.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, there are not so many.

[Jamie]

Like they're misinterpreting something.

[Joe Rogan]

This is Jay Anderson who's done the podcast recently.

[Jamie]

This is the tweet I found.

[Joe Rogan]

How about some fat chain in the Cabardino Balkya Republic North Caucus of the Russian Federation is a different place from Kara Coto. So cara hora and caracoto. So there's more than one place.

[Jamie]

I'm trying to. I haven't. I'm just googling stuff. It all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video. And this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. It's got 3 million views from 2024. So I can see how it goes when it went viral, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Mm.

[Jamie]

But it starts off with just showing that.

[Joe Rogan]

And I don't, you know, so this is probably the entry to this area.

[Filippo Bioni]

Maybe.

[Jamie]

But again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is. Like on a map.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, got it.

[Filippo Bioni]

Look how. How precise they are.

[Jamie]

So this might be.

[Joe Rogan]

Who knows?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Could be real. Could be nonsense.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the. The images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation, it's just bananas. But whatever this is, that's where.

[Jamie]

I don't know where it's from. You know, it could be Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here. Okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like.

[Jamie]

And I don't even know. Yeah. So someone else has done narration on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Mm.

[Jamie]

It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show.

[Joe Rogan]

God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it clearly looks like something man made.

[Filippo Bioni]

Look how precise.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's man made. It's absolutely man made. There are also a comparison with the dimensions of the dimensions.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. What the hell is that? That means. What the hell is that? It's crazy. And they found it in 2011.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff. I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, but the ground penetrated radar has a problem.

[Joe Rogan]

What is the problem?

[Filippo Bioni]

The problem of ground penetrated radar is the penetration depth is few meters enough. So it's a problem. There is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below, you can't go. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But using that method, they have found.

[Filippo Bioni]

All these structures It's a good method for in situ exploration. Yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area rough, let's say rough scanning, you. You can use my method. So you can. You can find huge things on wide area for the data. Tails. It's okay. Ground penetrating radar.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think show me some more stuff.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. It's a pleasure.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me too. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Okay. Thank you for inviting Kara Horror. Is that how you say it? Kara. Cora. Cora.

[Filippo Bioni]

Karakora.

[Joe Rogan]

Karakora. So this is a car core. So that image. Go back one more time to Karakora. That. So that's a legitimate image. That's not AI generated. This is, this is these guys standing in clearly, what looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. Clearly man made.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, clearly man made. Because look, you see?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Filippo Bioni]

You see the blocks?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You see the blocks? It's nuts.

[Filippo Bioni]

No, but okay, we can. We can understand that it's possible. Maybe it's possible to build something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, it's possible.

[Filippo Bioni]

That's the purpose, Right?

[Joe Rogan]

The purpose. And when and who and what civilization?

[Filippo Bioni]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, who did that? That's. That is insane.

[Jamie]

What even is that?

[Joe Rogan]

What even is that? Yeah, I mean, there's ropes that go across and that's what you're seeing. And you're seeing this.

[Jamie]

Where's his arm and where does the rope go to?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall. And that rope goes across and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness.

[Jamie]

Is that like he's leaning against something there too?

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like he's got his hand on that wall. That opening. There's an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this, in this presentation?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Which way should I go?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back. It happen. Then we have Gubio and there. Here we have the Osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the Osari shaft, like a benchmark, because we, we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know exactly how it is established.

[Joe Rogan]

And, and, and so it accurately depicts the Osiris shaft.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What else?

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, let's go there. Okay, 43. 43. Yes. This is the Sangota tunnel. And here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel. That it is approximately 2 kilometers below the.

[Jamie]

The.

[Filippo Bioni]

The mountain and the slide 44 we can understand that in this case the Alps. The. The mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. It's like a photograph, a photo pick. Pick it up or synthesized by sound. And in that case we can see the slide 45 and 46. We are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel? Yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

This is some really stunning stuff.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, that I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam and it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul dam that is located in Iraq. It's very huge. It's is 300 meters tall, has a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water. From the upper side there is the water that contains and below there there is the. The river that the water comes from out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Musuldam? The Musuldam has a problem. It has been built on a bed of gesso. How you say?

[Joe Rogan]

Gypsum?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And jepsum is. While is in contact of water, it melts. So the Mosul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case there are a lot of, let's call, satellite methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case the Mosul dam is crucial to be observed by a radar. In this case, I wanted to see this. Slide 37, please. Here inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. And here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. And the task was my technique is with my technique is possible to detect the tunnel. We go in slide 38. Okay. And we see on the right top there is the tunnel. Just to explain you where you see red, the vibration energy is high. So is red. When you see blue, the vibration as energy is low. Okay, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don't have vibration. So it's low. And so you see the tunnel. Okay. And so we were also able to detect slide 39, also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbines.

[Joe Rogan]

The Turbines.

[Filippo Bioni]

The turbines. Right.

[Jamie]

And.

[Filippo Bioni]

And other stuff. And all the mechanical. The mechanical machines. This is the. All the mechanical machines that are located inside.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And so we go slide 31 on slide 31. Okay. Yeah. This is the Gran Sasso. How nice is. This is for me? Very nice. Because I. I born here.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the particle collider.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Inside the mountain. In the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so we are now in the slide 32 and 33. Okay. And we can see. Okay. The facility that is ENFN is the Istituto Nazionale di Physical Nucleare.

[Joe Rogan]

You see the shape of it in there?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. National Institute of Nuclear Physics. The Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's more than a kilometer deep into the Mountain.

[Filippo Bioni]

1.4. And yes. And slide 30. 35. We can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah. This is the laboratory.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yeah. Wow. And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that. And goes together and you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer, and that's the interferometer.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. And I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey, you know, and I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. So thank you, Joel.

[Joe Rogan]

Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work. Because, I mean, like I said, is to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. And you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes. And I agree with this with that.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s, you know, and as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct, and things just seem to keep getting older.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work.

[Filippo Bioni]

Thank you for inviting me.

[Joe Rogan]

My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out.

[Filippo Bioni]

Okay, I'm here.

[Joe Rogan]

If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes, I have a personal website, which is harmonicsar.com and I publish.

[Joe Rogan]

Say that again? Harmonics.

[Filippo Bioni]

Sar.com. yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Harmonic. Sar.

[Filippo Bioni]

It's meant.

[Joe Rogan]

It's synthetic aperture radar. Is sar. So, harmonicsar.com.

[Filippo Bioni]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Filippo Bioni. I mean, you're the man. Thank you, sir.

[Filippo Bioni]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Really appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right, bye, everybody.