#2478 - Theo Von

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2478 – Theo Von (April 2, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging and characteristically irreverent conversation, Joe Rogan sits down with returning guest and comedian Theo Von. They riff on everything from the absurdities of modern life—AI sex robots, the impact of technology on society, and the rise in autism diagnoses, to deeper discussions around governmental overreach, corruption, and the loss of empathy in an increasingly digitized world. The episode also spotlights Theo's new film "Bus Boys," the challenges of modern comedy, and reflections on the changing landscape of entertainment, politics, and basic human connection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Absurd Future of AI, Technology, and Sex Robots

• YouTube and Copyright Issues: Joe and Theo joke about how even humming a copyrighted song can get content flagged online ([00:29]).
• Sex Robot Skit: Riffing on hypothetical AI companions, sex bots powered by sex, and the dystopian concept of needing to "charge" robots with bodily fluids, leading to a larger point about the commodification of intimacy and human emotions ([01:07]–[03:45]).
  • Quote: Theo: "I ain’t coming on no bot." ([01:07])
• AI's Advancements: Joe describes new AI robotic companions showcased at tech conventions, noting that the technology "has entered the community... just not at your door yet" ([02:28]–[03:06]).

2. Autism, Capitalism, and the Decline of Empathy

• Joe and Theo delve into the increasing rates of autism, pondering environmental, chemical, and pharmaceutical causes ([04:22]–[06:49]).
• Joe posits that the rise in autism and "spectrum traits" might be shaping society for deeper technological integration, creating a population more adaptable to isolated, screen-based living ([05:13], [07:23]).
  • Quote: "What if one day... you got a full spectrum society and there’s no regular people left?" – Joe Rogan ([05:40])
• Theo suggests that the convergence of capitalism and data-driven thinking leaves people emotionally numb and disengaged.

3. Governmental Corruption, Fraud, and Public Trust

• Joe and Theo highlight state-level tax policies, business exoduses from areas like New York and California, and large-scale fraud—particularly in government spending and social safety nets ([13:16]–[17:08]).
• They compare American bureaucratic inefficiency to China's ability to rapidly build infrastructure, poking fun at public waste ([15:01]–[15:46]).
• The erosion of faith in government is further touched on with the lack of accountability in high-profile incidents like the Epstein files ([28:06]).

4. Societal Poisoning: Food, Pharma, and Docility

• Deep skepticism about the pharmaceutical industry, the food supply, and the intent behind mass medication ([31:37]–[34:37]).
• Joe references declassified CIA documents on attempts to make the public docile using covert drugs in food and water ([37:07]–[39:03]).
  • Quote: Referencing Kim Iversen: "[The memo proposes] developing long-term covert drugs... being placed in food or water [to] cause either agitation or depression... and should also be capable of use... in vaccinations and shots.” ([37:24])

5. Personal Struggles: Mental Health and Breaking Addictions

• Theo opens up about his long-term use of antidepressants, his desire to get off them, and his efforts in replacing medication with routine exercise and lifestyle changes ([40:28]–[41:56]).
  • Quote: "One of my goals is to get off of antidepressants completely, man. I want to feel how I'm supposed to feel..." – Theo Von ([40:50])
• The duo compare vapes, nicotine, and the struggle against addictive behaviors ([44:04]–[46:28]).

6. Control, Censorship, and the Future of Information

• Discussion of social media censorship, information silos, and the rise of AI-driven systems to manage society ([10:22]–[11:32], [81:21]–[82:43]).
• Joe and Theo warn about the chilling effect of social credit systems, as seen in parts of China, and how similar mechanisms are quietly being tested in the US.

7. Guns, Civil Liberties, and Resistance

• Detailed breakdown of Canada's near-total non-compliance with new gun declarations and hypothetical forced confiscations—a springboard for discussing American exceptionalism around gun rights ([51:00]–[56:03]).
  • Quote: "What’s the difference in America? One of the big differences: we’re heavily armed." – Joe Rogan ([56:12])

8. War, Foreign Policy, and the Cycle of Violence

• Disillusionment with the US involvement in foreign conflicts, motives behind perpetual warfare, and the cyclical nature of using war to distract from domestic issues ([21:03]–[22:11], [28:06]–[29:04]).
• Discussion of Iran's history, US and British interference, and the resulting instability in the region ([21:02]–[25:46]).
  • Quote: "Look bro, we’ve been monkeying around with other countries forever." – Joe Rogan ([25:46])
• Commentary on the tragic impact of drone warfare on civilians, especially children in Gaza ([87:06]–[87:32]).

9. Comedy, Creativity, and the State of Entertainment

• Spotlight on Theo's new movie "Bus Boys," created independently—reflecting the challenges and joys of making art in the current climate ([63:13]–[68:04]).
• Exploration of the decline in traditional comedy films, the impact of "woke" culture, and how comedians are adapting by innovating outside the old Hollywood system ([69:23]–[71:18]).
• Joe and Theo wax nostalgic about classic comedy (Fairly Brothers, "Kingpin," "Something About Mary"), noting that risk-averse studios no longer back edgy or transgressive works ([69:23]–[70:13], [70:39]–[71:19]).

10. Independent Media & The Revolution in Journalism

• The rise of independent podcasts and news platforms is discussed as an antidote to mainstream media’s ideological capture ([108:33]–[109:03]).
• They call out legacy media for failing to report on public health harms and for being beholden to advertiser interests ([106:00]–[106:55]).

11. Spirituality, Star Gazing, and Existential Wonder

• The episode closes with a meditative and comic conversation about cosmic insignificance, the purpose of life, and whether humanity is being visited by extraterrestrials ([117:23]–[122:59]).
• Joe and Theo express longing for renewed connection with nature and each other—arguing that compassion and small, individual acts of kindness may be the last bulwark against societal decline ([147:13]–[148:35]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI Sex Robots:

  • Joe: "You gotta cum in her every day to keep her alive. If you don't, she starts shriveling up on you... like she's on Ozempic." ([01:19])
  • Theo: "I ain't coming on no bot." ([01:07])

• On the Autism Boom:

  • Joe: "If it's 1 in 12 boys right now in California—and it used to be, like, 1 in 10,000—this is like an invasion." ([05:40])

• On Social Media & Censorship:

  • Joe: "The vast majority of people involved [in tech] were all like, heavily left wing... They pushed the entire country's narrative in that direction." ([10:22])

• On Bureaucratic Waste:

  • Joe: "China’s entire high-speed rail network of 30,000 miles... Our LA line in 15 years would have taken them two months." ([15:46])

• On Deep Distrust:

  • Joe (on CIA docs): "Our own government... figuring out how to make people docile and stupid and unmotivated." ([32:02])
  • Theo: "These documents, I mean, these people are inhumane, they're sick, they're twisted." (quoting Kim Iversen, [38:51])

• On Empathy & Hope:

  • Joe: "Everybody has to be human to each other on an individual basis. And sometimes it takes something chaotic like a tragedy for people to just be cool to each other." ([147:13])

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [00:29]–[03:45]: Satirical opening on sex robots & AI companions
• [04:22]–[07:59]: Rise in autism; autism as adaptation to tech society
• [13:16]–[17:08]: State policies, waste, and bureaucratic corruption
• [31:37]–[39:03]: Food, pharma, and docility—CIA documents, conspiracy
• [40:28]–[41:56]: Theo’s struggle with antidepressants and mental health
• [51:00]–[56:03]: Canadian gun law rebellion—defense of 2A
• [87:06]–[87:32]: Drones, AI, and the reality of civilian casualties in war
• [63:13]–[68:04]: "Bus Boys" film production story
• [69:23]–[71:19]: State of modern comedy and Hollywood’s creative decline
• [106:00]–[106:55]: Media failures and the pharmaceutical industrial complex
• [117:23]–[123:25]: Cosmic perspective—nature, space, and existentialism
• [147:13]–[148:35]: Final reflection—empathy, kindness, and individual action

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Closing Thoughts

With rapid-fire humor, tangents, and moments of vulnerability, Joe and Theo wrestle with some of today's most forbidding challenges: technological overreach, government mistrust, health crises, and a widespread sense of unease. Yet, they also offer numerous moments of hope—celebrating creativity, community, and the persistence of independent voices. Underpinning it all, their message is clear: in an age of chaos and uncertainty, the small human gestures of solidarity and authenticity still matter most.

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For more laughs, conspiracies, and soul-searching, check out "The Joe Rogan Experience" wherever you get your podcasts. Don't miss Theo Von in "Bus Boys," premiering April 17th, 2026.

Transcript

[Theo Vaughn]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Joe Rogan]

People make me mad. Thank you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Who do you mean by those people?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you know, it's changed over the years. With the horns. I don't know. You know.

[Theo Vaughn]

You mean band members? Who are you talking about here?

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff. Music. Music industry, dude. Yeah, we're just talking about. So we should tell people. We're talking about if you hum a song, just like around and like, you know, like the cocaine song. You know what I mean? If you play Eric Clapton, you. If you do that, you'll get flagged on YouTube. They. And they take money from you.

[Theo Vaughn]

How desperate is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Gross. Like, you can't even hum a song. You can't. Like. What are you talking about?

[Theo Vaughn]

You can't even hum in the future. You're not even going to be able to fall in love. They're going to charge you for it.

[Joe Rogan]

How are they going to do that? Well, you won't be falling in love with the person anymore. People will be outdated. People come with problems.

[Theo Vaughn]

I ain't coming on no bot.

[Joe Rogan]

No ever. What about in one? No.

[Theo Vaughn]

What will they do with it?

[Joe Rogan]

Keep it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe that's what keeps them alive. Imagine that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Let me think about it.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta her every day to keep her alive. If you don't, she starts shriveling up on you. Oh, like she's on Ozempic.

[Theo Vaughn]

So she's Latino.

[Joe Rogan]

Keep her plump.

[Theo Vaughn]

You gotta keep her. You gotta keep. You got to keep the juices flowing. Huh?

[Joe Rogan]

There'd be guys that would sign up for that. Okay, I could. I think I could do that. But day 5026 in a row, you'd be like, oh, my God, I can't do this.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And she's dying.

[Theo Vaughn]

Why is she dying? She's electric, isn't she?

[Joe Rogan]

She only gets powered by cum.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh. Oh, it's sad.

[Joe Rogan]

In three days with no cum, she shuts off and that's it. And you can't bring her back.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'd shut her down quick, I'll tell you that. She would be.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to let your buddies fuck her just to like, keep her alive.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, that's gonna be gross, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

It would be.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it would be sad and stuff like that. And you'd have somebody like late at night, like, hey, bro. Yeah? What's your wife doing? Like, texting you at like 4am, bro,

[Joe Rogan]

if you need to keep her alive, he's over there stroking it while he's on the phone with you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Bro, plug your wife in for a little bit. Bro, Let me chart. Yeah, let me come over there.

[Joe Rogan]

We're getting close. Did you see those ones they have at the Consumer Electronic show in Vegas?

[Theo Vaughn]

The dancing ones?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's an AI companion. That's a robot. It's like a very pretty lady and her mouth moves and she talks and it's not there yet, but it's in the neighborhood. You know, it's not at the right door, but it just entered the community. You know what I mean?

[Theo Vaughn]

You think so?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, some communities have that awning. Welcome to like Paradise Estates. And you go through and there's all the houses in the subsection. Yeah, it's in the door, right? It's in the door. That's just not at your house.

[Theo Vaughn]

Hidden Oaks or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Theo Vaughn]

Or Hunter's Glen or Racist Cove or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

The robot has made it through onto your street. It's just not at your house yet. And it will be in five to 10 years.

[Theo Vaughn]

My kids aren't fucking robots.

[Joe Rogan]

They will if you have kids. They're going to fuck robots.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, they won't.

[Joe Rogan]

You won't be able to stop them. All their friends are going to be able to do it. It'd be rude. He'd be like keeping them off social media. Keeping kids off social media. They feel left out. They're like, come on dad, let me get Snapchat. Like, no, son, I want you to concentrate on your homework and your football.

[Theo Vaughn]

Come on, dad.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on dad, let me get Snapchat.

[Theo Vaughn]

No one look you. Your dad wakes you up early, he's like, look, one of you little bastards left the freaking C robot in the yard. Which one?

[Joe Rogan]

All delirious comfort and come all your friends.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's sad. But I do think that one day our smiles will be in a museum. That's where we're headed. It's like the feelings are starting to disappear.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, maybe that's what autism is like, severe autism.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I've thought about that a lot. That that's why we're getting to some of like the only way we could get to this place, if we get to this data driven place where it's like, you know, alien esque is. Things start to feel alien esque here is because of autism leading. It's when autism mixes with. What's it called, our societies based on money. Capitalism. When autism and capitalism converge, things got really weird, Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And think about it, right? We don't know exactly what is causing autism. They have a lot of suspicions, a lot of them have to do with vaccines and different medications and different chemicals and pollutants and all sorts of different things.

[Theo Vaughn]

And cologne too.

[Joe Rogan]

One thing we could all agree on. And Tylenol, they think too. Right. But one thing that we can all agree on, it's a big factor, is stuff that we've created. It's a big factor. Whatever it is. Let's not put the blame on any one of these industries. But there's something going on where more people are getting autism now than ever. And it seems almost positive that it's coming from us, that we did something. Human society. Well, if you think about where human society is going, wouldn't that be a way to turn us into something new?

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If we were gonna merge with machines, what better way than to like, eliminate empathy, eliminate emotions, make us like, able to like, stay at home and stare at a screen for hours at a time with no concern whatsoever. Just the kind of social detachment, along with the integration of all this crazy new technology. And the people, a lot of the people that are in the tech business at high levels are on the spectrum.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, dude. Yeah, they're on the fucking diving board

[Joe Rogan]

of the ones bringing in AI. They're bringing in the next version of life. Kind of mean, almost like we're thinking it's like a mistake, but it might not be. It might be like a crucial part of the system when you get further and further integrated with technology and all the stuff that you need to make it and all the stuff that's involved in capitalism, including like lying about what medications kids needs and giving them this, giving them that. Lying about what kind of what the pesticides do or the chemicals do or, you know, whatever it is, what is that ultimately doing? If it's, if it's leading people to be on the spectrum more and more often. What if one day it's not 1 in 12 in California? If it's 100%? Yeah, everybody, you got a full spectrum society and there's no regular people left. Yeah, you have to think about that. If it's 1 in 12 boys right now in California, and it used to be like 1 in 10,000, this is like an invasion, right? Like an invasion of like a way that people think that's entering into human civilization. Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

And I feel like it was. I agree. Right. So then it's like those. And. And then if you don't have this like, uprising, this emotional uprising out of people of like, you know, like this is wrong because I think, like, you know, when you get real data based and like that kind of like, tis a mask type of energy. I think you're not, you know, you're not thinking about some of the, like how it affects you as much or maybe just you're able to like roll into that nest of like this is this new digital landscape and those people fit well in it. Does that make any sense?

[Joe Rogan]

It does. It does make fit well and they do fit well in it. I know a lot of people that are Spectrum me that are very happy just being online all the time. Yeah, that's what they do.

[Theo Vaughn]

And dude, maybe that's what's supposed. Yeah, that's the scary part is like, what if that's what's supposed to happen? Right? And the rest of us are just like. Because I'm like, I think a romanticist, you know, I'm thinking like, oh yeah, a porch and a rocking chair. And then, you know, but you know, other people are like, yeah, we're coming in robots and like that and ordering bagels through our brain cells and shit. You know, like, it's just like we're

[Joe Rogan]

thinking of autism as a flaw, but it might be a feature.

[Theo Vaughn]

But is it? What is it? Okay, is it what nature wants or is it something that we're creating that is heading us down a very dark path? I feel like it's not autism, but all of it in conjunction is the second one.

[Joe Rogan]

It might be what the universe wants. Fuck. It might be how it goes. Like there has to be some sort of a pathway from territorial primates to something new, right?

[Theo Vaughn]

Does there?

[Joe Rogan]

I think so, yeah. Because otherwise we would still be single celled organisms. Everything's moving in a general direction of more complexity.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay, right, that's fair.

[Joe Rogan]

So if it's moving in a general direction of more complexity, we're. And with all the technology that we're making, like we're moving into some weird place, right? Wouldn't it be better if you just like easily accepted that? And what better way than if you're one of those dudes that's on the Spectrum that loves to chill at home and play video games, just stare at the screen. Doesn't really need a lot of human content attack.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, one of those data wiggers or whatever they call them, you know, those tech monkeys or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, those guys are just all about it. They're all about it. They're wearing Apple watches and they're.

[Theo Vaughn]

Everything is a whoop. Neck brace. It was like it kept updating on his watch. It's like, your neck's still broken or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a. Whoop ring.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

You're freaking his robot, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

You blink twice and you're. Yeah, it like it shoots GLP ones and you're nuts. It's just like, it's all too. But it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's happened too fast, bro. And it's too much. And it starts to be like, is it being controlled?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, here's something that I was being

[Joe Rogan]

controlled by a small amount of people, which is always scary.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's scary.

[Joe Rogan]

It's always scary when a small amount of individuals have insane amounts of power and wealth. And that's what's going to happen with this AI thing. And that's what's what happened with tech. Like, look what happened with tech. With tech. The vast majority of the people that are involved were all like heavily left wing, very progressive, like kind of even far left in a way. And look, they pushed the entire country's narrative in that direction to. Through censorship on social media, through banning any accounts that didn't con, you know, didn't kind of commit to the narrative.

[Theo Vaughn]

Russia Gate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Brush gate. Anything about Hunter Biden's laptop, anything about vaccines being deadly or, you know, maybe it came from a lab. All that stuff would get you kicked off. So it was all moving in this one ideological direction. That's the like literally the conversation the entire country's having. And there's no other output before. You know, there was a few of them that came around like gas and some other ones, some social media sites that were like a response to that, but they never really took off.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right? Nothing took off yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Not. Not really. You know, there's some people that are on threads and there's some people on truth, but the reality is if you're not on Twitter, you're. You're not really going to connect with most people. That's the giant majority. People having conversations and it was all completely controlled by a small group of people with one ideology.

[Theo Vaughn]

But then didn't all those or half of those people move over to the other political. When Trump got elected, like, you know what I'm saying? Like Zuckerberg was on the left side. Bezos seemed like a very left leaning guy. And then they're all just so that's what made me start to think, oh, none of these guys are really on a side. There's this other third side that a lot of us can't see that is just kind of commandeering or fabricating or like infiltrating both sides.

[Joe Rogan]

If I could hum a song right now, I'd hum the Pink Floyd song Money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because that's what they were protecting that cheddar.

[Theo Vaughn]

That cash, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Protecting that cash. I mean, look how many people are moving out of all these states that are trying to impose wealth taxes. They're trying to steal money from the people that are the most successful. I was reading something about Massachusetts and how much. This lady was reporting about how much Massachusetts is lost from that because people leave the state, their businesses leave the state. New York is having the same problem. Like Kathy Hochel lady, you know, now she's asking people. I don't know how to say her name. I don't care.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, get a better name.

[Joe Rogan]

Who cares what her name is?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, she's. I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Asking people to go to Palm beach and tell people to come back to New York now. Because we're losing tax base. Like, come on. Of course you're losing tax base. You can't just arbitrarily decide that because someone makes more money, they deserve to give you more money. And then what have you done with the money you have?

[Theo Vaughn]

That's the best part.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, a shit ton of waste and fraud. And have you corrected any of that? That? No. So your solution is what? More money?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. All the way off. Of course these people are going to leave. You're a bunch of incompetent stooges and you're in charge of all the money in the state. And that's dumb.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's why Chevron moved out of California and Tesla moved out of California and In N Out Burger moved out of California.

[Theo Vaughn]

We moved out.

[Joe Rogan]

We moved out of companies.

[Theo Vaughn]

But we're people.

[Joe Rogan]

We might as well be companies. We're small companies. But it's like you can't just say we're going to take more money and that'll fix it.

[Theo Vaughn]

But you don't think billionaire. Yeah, especially dude, what has happened like with this follow up to the Somali for like all of these fraud buildings where it's like blatant, there's no businesses, it's just a sign on the door and like it feels like there's no follow up to it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's some, there are some, there's some people that are being prosecuted right now. There is a bunch of investigations regarding Minnesota, regarding California. They're getting in there. They have to get in there now because it's been exposed nationally. But the real question is how did it go on for so long? How did you allow it to happen for so long?

[Theo Vaughn]

They knew, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to know like what's real bad? What's real bad is like the amount of money that California has wasted if their solution is to try to tax people. Have you ever seen like what they did with the high speed rail?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

They spent billions of dollars. There's some guy who broke down how much China. How much high speed rail China did in the same time that it took California to do their high speed rail. It's actually funny.

[Theo Vaughn]

I've done it some. I've done some rail out of China, I'll tell you that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't think it's the same stuff. Yeah, I think we're talking about different

[Theo Vaughn]

things, but no China, dude, they're doing. Dude, it's weird when you start thinking, hey, China looks like a good place

[Joe Rogan]

to live, you know, they've got their shit together. I'll tell you that. A lot of these places with kings, they really know how to run things. They do a real solid job.

[Theo Vaughn]

They do. Poland's got their together, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

They do have their together. And they were communists not that long

[Theo Vaughn]

ago, you know, Poland's got their. They don't let any of this fluent influence. Spain, I feel like is taking their back.

[Joe Rogan]

True.

[Theo Vaughn]

They're picking up their toys.

[Joe Rogan]

I gotta find this. Here it is. Because this is, this is actually funny when you see like the comparison between like what China's done and what we've done in the same amount of time. Yeah, it's is actually kind of funny.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I want to say thanks too to this lady, Sarah Whitecheck. I just gave. She just came and helped me get blood a little while ago. And she was, she's just a nurse practitioner and you could tell she was just working hard.

[Joe Rogan]

She hooked you up.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, she was just like, you know, showed up and just like just got it done for me. You could tell. She just like is a Hard working lady. I admire hard working women.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what about hard working men? Do you like them? That's it, Jamie.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, they should be so.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. Things that happen faster.

[Theo Vaughn]

Who's this Gooner though? Who's that dude? Is that Nelk? He fell off. Than building the California high speed rail.

[Joe Rogan]

China's entire high speed rail network of 30,000 miles. Our LA in 15 years would have taken them two months. Dubai going from barren desert wasteland to barren culture wasteland.

[Theo Vaughn]

Timothy Chalamet's entire existence. IPhone1 through 17 and the Internet.

[Joe Rogan]

Follow for more bullshit.

[Theo Vaughn]

I love that guy. That's Harrison Baum. Good for him. That's crazy, isn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. And they just took billions of dollars in taxes and they go, we're working on it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but where everything is fraud. You're starting to realize it's all fraud.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's not fraud, it's waste and it's bureaucracy. So they keep the money coming in. So they keep people working. But the people don't do any, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

And we can't even keep the TSA workers. Dude, I snuck a half handful of goldfish to a TSA worker the other day. The edible ones, just to keep them going. Dude, out there you gave them some goldfish? Yeah, they're not even getting paid.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, they, they just started getting back pay, but still, it's just.

[Theo Vaughn]

But the fact that that's like a

[Joe Rogan]

crazy like that they're the least priority. Like bro, flying is super important, you dummies. You want to keep the economy going, you got to let people fly around.

[Theo Vaughn]

They got to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, you can't pay the TSA people, you idiots. How come you get paid? Yeah, how come you get paid?

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm just sick of this. And I'm sick of rich people not putting their kids over in these wars and like that. Put your honky ass kids up there, let them go. Shed some blood.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if you're asking for it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Especially if you're out there bullshitting. Dude, put your honky little fancy ass kid up there, man. Makes me mad, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think there's also a problem. The people that I've talked to that have served overseas and have been involved and deployed in military operations and seen a lot of. There are a lot of them are of the opinion that you shouldn't be able to make those decisions. Have you never been to war? You don't know what it is, you don't know what you're sending people to do. It doesn't mean you're not still going to be a tyrant because there are some people like, clearly Netanyahu has been to war. You know, he's been. He was in the military. He was involved in some.

[Theo Vaughn]

Was he?

[Joe Rogan]

And yeah, and he, he was like a special forces operator in Israel. And clearly he doesn't mind going to war. But this episode is brought to you by Manscape. Did you know that one man is diagnosed with testicular cancer every hour? In fact, it's the most common form of cancer among men ages 15 to 35. April is national Testicular Cancer Awareness Month and manscaped is donating $50,000 to the testicular Cancer Society to support awareness and routine self checks. I'm proud to support something that helps make a real difference. You can also support the cause by purchasing a special edition TCS Ball Hero bundle. This bundle includes the Lawnmower 5.0 Ultra TCS Special Edition and Special Edition TCS Boxers 2 2.0. Join the over 13 million men worldwide who trust Manscaped and use the code ROGAN15 for 15% off your entire order at manscaped.com you can also visit manscaped.comtcs to learn more about how to check yourself or make a donation at TC Society today to save lives and balls. I think most war is a unique term. Wars are fucking terrifying.

[Theo Vaughn]

But I mean, he, I don't, I wouldn't call it. He does war.

[Joe Rogan]

But I mean, what they're doing right now. Yeah. Gaza. Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

And I'm not one of you.

[Joe Rogan]

Iran is war. That's war. Iran's a real enemy. You know, it's a different.

[Theo Vaughn]

Are they enemy to America?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what they are is the largest country in terms of like state sponsored terrorism to the largest sponsor of terrorism. But, but also you gotta think why, you know, and this is not excusing anybody for is Islamist ideology because it's scary. Because they want a global caliphate. Right. They're radicals. But you got to go back to what happened in that country. And if you go back to what happened in that country, they tried to nationalize oil. Iran was like a westernized country. Girls are wearing mini skirts, everybody's hot.

[Theo Vaughn]

You seen that video from the 70s of Iran?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro. Everybody.

[Theo Vaughn]

So popping.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened is slowly but surely and quickly at first. Because when they tried to nationalize oil.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The CIA swooped in and they fucking got that guy out of office and they allowed these Islamic, you know, radicalists to start running the country.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, that's when Hezbollah started, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know exactly when Hezbollah started. But the point is the country was doing fine before we monkeyed with it. And we monkeyed with it because they were not getting enough of the money from the oil. So it was the British Petroleum Company, I think put it into perplexity, the story of Iran, their government being overthrown. I think it was in the 1950s. So when you see like how it all played out and why it is what it is today. Jesus Christ, you'd be mad too.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And when you're mad and you're surrounded by bigger enemies that all have nuclear weapons, you don't even have nuclear weapons. Wouldn't you be trying to make them? You know, I'm saying, like, I'm not saying Iran should have nuclear weapons. I don't think anybody should have nuclear weapons.

[Theo Vaughn]

Israel gets to have them. Allegedly.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the problem.

[Theo Vaughn]

Allegedly. Everything's allegedly with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Theo Vaughn]

Except for the genocide.

[Joe Rogan]

You know they know they don't officially have them,

[Theo Vaughn]

right?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think they admit they officially have them. And you know who is a big opponent of Israel getting nuclear weapons?

[Theo Vaughn]

Jfk.

[Joe Rogan]

Jfk? Yeah. That's what a lot of people think. Led back into the left.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah. Before they killed him.

[Joe Rogan]

Who? I don't know. So the Iranian Revolution, also called the Islamic Revolution, was a mass uprising in Iran, overthrew the Shah's monarchy in 1979, replaced it with an Islamic republic led by Ayatollah Rulah Khomeini.

[Theo Vaughn]

Shadaruko.

[Joe Rogan]

I want you to go back to the national. Ask it a question of what was the events that led to them trying to nationalize their oil? Here it is. No, that's not it. So the what what was banned. Real opposition use secret police to surreal jail. I'll just put in to ask another question. What were the events that took place after Iran tried to nationalize oil? Just ask that question. What are the events that took place when Iran tried to nationalize oil?

[Theo Vaughn]

Bro. Oil. I'd rather walk if this is a. That's going to come out of all of it. You feel me?

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is it's not just oil for your car. It's everything you use plastic is. They use petroleum based chemicals are responsible for medicine.

[Theo Vaughn]

But it's also getting in our nuts now and people can't even read anymore because of it. So it's like, what is all that stuff helping us anymore?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, here it is. So Iran's attempt to nationalize its oil in the 1950s unfolded as a chain of political, economic and international confrontations centered on Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh how do you say his name? Mogaday? Mossad. Mossadegh.

[Theo Vaughn]

Let me see. Mossadegh.

[Joe Rogan]

Mossadegh and British controlled Angro Anglo Iranian oil company. I'll walk you through the key events. But it had to do with who was in control of the oil before that. Like who is making the money before that. I know Perplexity is going to give us the tinfoil hat story of how it went down. But the bottom line is people are making a lot of money over there in oil and they wanted most of the money and they got boxed out and then they wound up with a psychotic dictator.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And a lot of the. If you look back on what Iran looked like when it was a westernized country, like damn, we should have supported whatever the was going on back then.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know. I think, do you feel like we used to do things that were better and then we got.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's the tinfoil hat version. I love how Perplexity gives you a tinfoil hat version. Nice. The stories basically Iran tried to take back its oil. The British and Americans teamed up in secret to crush that idea and send a warning to the rest of the world. Britain had built its empire and navy on cheap Iranian oil via the Anglo Iranian Oil Company. Later British Petroleum Company. So when Mogad Mosa Deck. I don't want to say his name. I keep it up. London saw it as a direct threat to its global power and profits. Elites feared that if Iran got away with nationalizing its oil, other countries in the Middle east would be on and beyond would copy destroying western oil monopolies. So they were determined to make Iran an example. Look bro, we've been monkeying around with other countries forever. This thing in Venezuela, this real quick thing that happened real quick, went there and kidnapped a dude in Venezuela like

[Theo Vaughn]

well, a lot of us say it's because these are the countries that are still outside of the Rothschilds banking system or whatever. Have you seen that thing?

[Joe Rogan]

I have not.

[Theo Vaughn]

Where it's like there's a. There's the countries that are still not on that list or something. This is tinfoil stuff, I think. Or it's absolutely true. I have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot going on right now. Right?

[Theo Vaughn]

Like I'm here, dude. I'm scared. I'll be honest with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you should be.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm scared.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a scary time because this is a real.

[Theo Vaughn]

People are scared. People come up and people tell me about it. I was in an Uber yesterday and there's a man in there, he was Driving. And he's like, we need a revolution, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's like, you have a voice. He's telling me stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't take Ubers anymore. Stop taking Ubers. Rent a car.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm not renting a car.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would you rent a car? You don't rent cars, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

You think I'm gonna go be at the. Renting a car is insane. Have to check under. See if there's any dents in or if there's any, like. And then you have to do all this stuff. Renting a car is a nightmare, dude. I will tell you this story, though. One time we rented. We did rent a car, and we got a dent on it, like, a pretty good ding. And we. We had a. We caught a pigeon and had it over the dent to fill it in whenever we turned it in.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you didn't. This is not a true story.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, we did.

[Joe Rogan]

You caught a pigeon.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. You think it's hard to catch a pigeon?

[Joe Rogan]

I do, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

Bring up a pigeon getting caught.

[Joe Rogan]

Tyson had a lot of them, bro. Yeah, but he raised them well.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but, dude, he had autism in his hands after a couple years. You don't think. You think it's hard to catch a pigeon? The dumbest bird ever, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

And just put the. Over the dent.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, you hang it over.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the. How big was this dent we're talking about, dude?

[Theo Vaughn]

These pigeons. All day, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

So you just hold them there until they're done? Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

What are some kind of cop or whatever. Yeah, we put him over the dent, bro. That's why God wants you to help. That's my insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. This one's all fucked up, though. That's not fair.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's because he has American health care. It's United health care, dude. Well, here's what I want to know. Like, I'm. I guess. Yeah, like. Yeah, I don't know, man. Everybody just feels scared, and it makes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they should, because a lot of things are getting exposed right now. You know, there's a lot of fraud, and you're seen at the highest levels of government. And people are also scared because no one's getting in trouble for things. Like, no one's getting in trouble for the Epstein files. No one's getting in trouble for.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, that's almost disappeared, kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's part of what happens when there's some sort of a big social thing. One thing that's in the past that leaders have used to cover up problems at home is a fucking war. I'm not saying that that's why they bombed Iran. But that would be a way to do it if you're that psychotic, you know, and if you were thinking about doing it anyway, you might be able to justify it. People have always done that also to stay in power.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Even Bill Clinton said that about Netanyahu. Bill Clinton said Netanyahu wants war so he could stay in power for sure.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do people call him the yarmulke Hitler? That's what they call.

[Joe Rogan]

Who are these people?

[Theo Vaughn]

Everybody does.

[Joe Rogan]

Which people?

[Theo Vaughn]

Countless people. Huh?

[Joe Rogan]

What are you saying?

[Theo Vaughn]

What do you mean people? You talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you talking about?

[Theo Vaughn]

Black folks?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what you're saying.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what you're saying. Okay, let's not draw conclusions.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay? Yeah, okay. He seems like a great guy. No, really. Well, it's just a scary time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a scary time because people are willing to blow people up with drones and missiles and they're shooting into apartment buildings and blowing up schools and it's like, man.

[Theo Vaughn]

And we didn't hear. I think that we've been poisoned. I do think that we've been poisoned because I think that, like, we find out that our food is. A lot of our food is poisonous. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Or a lot of our food is not good for us.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, Sorry. Not good for us.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

So we have a health care. We have food that is made to be not good for us. And then we have a health care system that'll just kind of take care of you, Right? Barely. So then you start to create this other. Like, you're going to need your autism gang that are up there running shit. But then you're going to need this sort of like mollusky sort of like the worker bees. And that's what the rest of us start to become as worker bees because, you know, you're on antidepressants. Killed like the. The vibe and the energy of so many people. Right. Like the opioid epidemic. Like you. You broke apart so many families and ruined hope and so many, like, kids and parents and homes. The. The. The COVID where you shut down recovery rooms in places where people were meeting and so they were so disconnected. And then it's like you just. You start to wonder why there's no uprisings because there's no. There's nothing rising up inside of you anymore because a lot of your. Your vitrol has been killed. People are jerking off in the fucking robots and even just on car batteries and shit in some of those videos online. But car batteries, People will come on everything.

[Joe Rogan]

What happens when you hit the two posts?

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Does your jizz explode? I gotta be grounded. I would have to guess. Yeah, right.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a real.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't want that jolt coming back to the tip. You imagine if it was like one solid stream and the electricity jumped. Yeah. Made it back to the tip.

[Theo Vaughn]

But, dude, that could happen too with that robot. If you're trying to hump that road, right.

[Joe Rogan]

And that thing shorts out, phones short out. You remember those. Those old phones that would blow up in people's cars? Like the notes. It was one of the note series. Like, people's cars would catch on fire if you left it plugged in.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What if that happens?

[Theo Vaughn]

Your dick. And people would always.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Vaughn]

And people would just always leave it plugged in next to their wife at night for no reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Right on top of your wife.

[Theo Vaughn]

Just balance it on earth and flames

[Joe Rogan]

and lights are on fire. But dude, successor.

[Theo Vaughn]

I. I think we've been poisoned. Just enough to, like. It feels like just to hurt, but not like we just have to start. I think it's a time where, like, we have to try and work on our. And like, look inside of ourselves and. I don't know. Do I sound fucking preachy? I'm sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you don't sound preachy. But you're on to something. There was some file. I didn't read it, but a bunch of people sent it to me. I just went, oh, Jesus. It was from the. Some Freedom of Information act or some leak from the 1950s and 60s. Well, the CIA and they were trying to think of different ways to make people docile and stupid and unmotivated.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they were talking about different medications, putting stuff in food, all these different strategies to keep people stupid.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. And they.

[Joe Rogan]

This is our own government, U.S. united States of America.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, that's another thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that not treasonous?

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree. So why. And, yeah, it just feels like there's no recourse. And I know, like, you start to think, well, this is how a lot of people have lived their entire centuries in different countries and stuff like that. Like, they live under this type of oppression and like, fear all the time. It feels new here.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to know what exactly could you put that into our lovely sponsor, Perplexity, and find out what the. Was said in that CIA document. What. What were they actually planning? Because it's the. The idea that there's people in government that would just Say fuck millions of people in their potential in life.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's tank their potential so that we can get our agenda through easier without them being upset. Let's ruin millions of people's lives or at least dampen their dreams. Squash their hopes. Make them stupid and lazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

Make their kids sick. Make their. Yeah, make it. Put pornography and. And let it be into the home so that it's accessible everywhere. So marriages get ruined and relationships get ruined. The guys are just spunking out on where. And so they don't. So there's no energy. There's no like, there's no fudgeing desire inside of people to overcome. And it's like, yeah, we have to just try and do better one day at a time.

[Joe Rogan]

For men, like, their ambition in life is often connected to wanting girls to like them.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or guys to like them. Whatever it is.

[Theo Vaughn]

And purpose creating.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's the other part. Purpose and creating is like the ultimate. That's like the ultimate is. It's almost like you're doing a service. Like whatever you're doing, if you're doing it your best, your real reward is that people enjoy it. Whatever it is. Whether you're a carpenter or a musician or whatever it is, if you're doing something at your best, the ultimate reward is people enjoying it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the ultimate enjoyment. But you, you have to figure that out in life. You're probably thinking of declassified ca. Mind control and behavior modification experience like Bluebird Artichoke. Artichoke, is it. That's it. Especially MK Ultra, which did run in the 1950s and 60s. Okay. Bluebird, MK Ultra. What does make people stupid in cognition? CIA efforts to use drugs, hypnosis and other techniques. No, that's the interrogation that's different.

[Perplexity AI]

This thing is interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect concussion effort often referenced alongside MK Ultra. Explicitly explored using sub oral blasts to erase memory. Whoa. Erasing or degrading memory is practically a way of disabling a person cognitively, even if that is not described as making them stupid in official language.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, we're just. It feels like we're just stuck in an experiment.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like this is not it.

[Theo Vaughn]

This isn't it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, this was. So why don't you run a search for recently disclosed CIA files to make people.

[Perplexity AI]

I mean, I had docile in first and it didn't give me anything better. I tried looking on Twitter.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Using. Put in using vaccines to make people stupid or suggesting vaccines make people stupid.

[Perplexity AI]

I hesitate now.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Perplexity AI]

Because it's taking me to somewhere talking about this on Facebook.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect. I love Facebook, but the conspiracy theorists are looking pretty sane right now. Okay, this is EV magazine. Okay, what's going on here? You have to type in your email or they won't let you watch.

[Theo Vaughn]

But Joe, I don't think what you're saying, the things you're saying, I don't think that that doesn't seem like an American idea to me.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's not. It's okay, Jamie, forget it. But no, it's not an American.

[Theo Vaughn]

If you can't find.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it okay if you can find it? Please do.

[Theo Vaughn]

Can you do Google too? Or you can't do it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Good. Just look everywhere.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, have you noticed some things are harder to find?

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[Theo Vaughn]

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[Theo Vaughn]

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[Joe Rogan]

Well, this is probably going to be hard to find because I think this is one of those ones that is like. Like it's on X, right? I know, like people are going over it, but I don't know if it's even been verified. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to put it through perplexity. Because there's a lot of stuff you read that just. Complete horror. Especially today, April Fools. Today, April Fools. Yeah. Don't get tricked. Stay often.

[Theo Vaughn]

I just gave some random lady my blood in the parking lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no. She's gonna use that for a ritual. Good clone, you son. You're gonna have little baby Theo's. Like those little videos that pop up of us.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Huh? Dude, my favorite part of the video is at the end when you just kind of bounce out of your chair.

[Joe Rogan]

We're laughing so hard. Is this it?

[Theo Vaughn]

This is it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, what does it say?

[Perplexity AI]

Video? Someone's talking about Project Artichoke.

[Joe Rogan]

What is Product Project? What does it say? Essentially, that's Kim Iverson. She's pretty good.

[Theo Vaughn]

White Iverson, Artichoke.

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So this says, look, we've got this. This grand idea of how we're basically going to drug people and do all kinds of weird experiments on them to see if we could control their minds. These documents don't show that anything was actually done. It just shows that we've got these really crazy ideas and they're extremely unethical, inhumane, terrible, terrible ideas. The 1977 leak of documents say, oh, yeah, well, actually the government did it. They did all of those terrible things they said they were doing in that previous memo. They did it. And now here's some of the archives that we have have from when they did all of those terrible things. So, okay, these documents, special research for Artichoke, dated April 21st of 1952. The memo proposes developing long term covert drugs that could be slipped into daily life. Drugs that were, quote, administered over considerable period of time, possibly being placed in food or water that caused either agitation or depression. These should include chemicals or drugs that could be effectively concealed in common items such as food, water, Coca Cola, beer, liquor, cigarettes, etc, and should also be capable of use in standard medical treatments such as vaccinations and shots. We can do all this other experimentation which nobody will know about. It's sneaky. Sneak it into their Coca Cola, sneak it into their beer, their cigarettes, their vaccines, their medications. Let's sneak it all in. Oh, those wild conspiracy theorists. They strike again. They have no morals, they have no ethics, they have no humanity. These documents, I mean, these people are inhumane, they're sick, they're twisted. This is terrible.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Way to go. Kim Iverson. She killed it.

[Theo Vaughn]

She.

[Joe Rogan]

She used to be on. Which show was she on? Not breaking points. What was the show that they did before breaking iverson?

[Theo Vaughn]

It wasn't 227, was it?

[Joe Rogan]

She got booted off because Fauci was coming on and she wanted to question Fauci about the COVID vaccines and they kicked her off the show and she went independent.

[Theo Vaughn]

Good for her.

[Joe Rogan]

How it always goes.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you can't. You can't talk too much. Even though it's pretty obvious that guy's a criminal. Pretty obvious that guy's a liar. Lied in front of congress, was responsible for gain of function research that led to who knows how many fucking people dying of a man made disease. Whatever. Whatever. Just don't question. You can't work here anymore. You're not playing ball.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not playing along. Like, look. But now she can do stuff like this.

[Theo Vaughn]

Good for her.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts. That your tax dollars pay for that. Them figuring out how to make people stupid. How do I make Theo stupid? Let me slip something into his Coca Cola. Let's figure out if it works. Let's experiment on random people and see what kind of results we get.

[Theo Vaughn]

Then here's my question then. Well, did you know whenever they. Whenever they introduced antidepressants that changed like the cognitive therapy side of things? Like in therapists office. It totally revolutionized like industrialized therap and it ruined. It ruined a lot of people. I think like one of my goals is to get off of antidepressants completely, man. I want to feel how I'm supposed to feel so I can have thoughts and actions that, that like, make me feel connected to the world. That shit makes you feel dead, man.

[Joe Rogan]

So why did you take them in the first place?

[Theo Vaughn]

Because I was in a bad relationship 20 years ago and I was having a tough day at school and they fucking put. They gave them to me and then I never got off.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Theo Vaughn]

Because when you get off, it's that. I think we talked about this once. It's hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It makes you more depressed and more fucked up and you're all imbalanced and you, you know, probably are addicted to them.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. And so I. That's one of my goals is. And I noticed, like, for me, I've been taking like methyl blue. I've been doing some things like, and I'm working with a doctor to help me, but I want to. I'm gonna get there and I'm just gonna start to take the power back of myself more.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they say that exercise is like many times greater in its effect at alleviating depression.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, I wake up and I do my yoga and I do like a 35 minute workout. I'll do like six exercises, five runs of it in a row. That's 30 exercises. Burn through them, bitches. And I'm. And I'm. If I do that when I get up in the morning, bro, I am good. Yeah, I'm fine all day. And I'm also more positive because I've already taken care of myself in a way that I feel is sufficient enough for me to keep operating and moving forward. But yeah, I want to get away from the Met.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the medicine, man, which is really crazy. That's the medicine. It's just hard for people to take because it requires effort and it requires discipline. You have to do it when you don't want to do it. And there's a lot of times when you're not going to want to do it. A lot of times you're feeling kind of tired.

[Theo Vaughn]

We have to. And I think that's what. Yeah, maybe we. Yeah, like, I just need to. I just need to keep going. This is the best I've been doing, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some cheddar, you got some cash, son, you're making that paper. Why don't you hire a trainer?

[Theo Vaughn]

I do. I. I hire a dude that's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That'll come over your house. You don't have to touch your body, Joe.

[Theo Vaughn]

Some of them do.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got to get new ones. They're doing something wrong. But some of them got to say no.

[Theo Vaughn]

I am saying no.

[Joe Rogan]

Repeat after me. No, no, don't touch my butt when I'm in a deep squat. It doesn't help.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna take your. That's gonna make you want to explode to the top.

[Theo Vaughn]

Ready?

[Joe Rogan]

Go. He's knuckle deep in your bung hole trying to convince you that it's so you can get more reps. Yeah,

[Theo Vaughn]

he's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's gotta happen like a big jack gay trainer. Like praise on guys that are kind of weak with. With small hips.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's like, I bet you can't do this with your. With my. In your butt. And you're like, that's a crazy. Who cares?

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you suggesting this?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but the crazy part is, dude, I had a training one time. If you were doing like a dumbbell press, he would kind of squat you from. He would. He would help you from the elbows kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, that's fine.

[Theo Vaughn]

But when I noticed this one time,

[Joe Rogan]

his dick aren't your butt. Did he. He's right behind you.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, he didn't. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

You're blocking it out. Maybe that's why you need therapy. I don't know, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, if some. I know all the dicks I've ever seen in my life, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

All of them?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How many have you seen? Jesus Christ.

[Theo Vaughn]

Honestly, it's not that many. Live and in person, you could count

[Joe Rogan]

them on one hand. Listen, a handful of dicks and two of them are Aries pissed in kombucha bottles in this room so many times. He is such an animal.

[Theo Vaughn]

He is kombucha. Kombucha in him.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that' he doesn't have a piss anymore. It's fermented.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, but this guy would touch my elbow and we kind of like must. He would do a slight, like, massage on him. And that's when I kind of cooked me up. You got a vape in here by chance, Joe?

[Joe Rogan]

No, we got this. You want a cigar? We got smelling sauce. You want a cigar?

[Theo Vaughn]

No. They make me sick.

[Joe Rogan]

They do?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. It makes you feel sad. Sad. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I gave up on those nicotine. Vapes are very addictive.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, boy, I know. I'd give it up.

[Joe Rogan]

They make you great. They grab. You grab for them.

[Theo Vaughn]

Them.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to take a hit off of them. You know, even if you. I and I decided at one point in time, I'm not taking these anymore. I'm stopping with these.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I remember, dude. Remember you and I were using one time, we kept using that thing and. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's something in them. It's not just the nicotine.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'll tell you a story.

[Joe Rogan]

Because like these things, like Alps, I have no problem not taking these. I went on a trip, like a 10 day trip. I didn't bring any nicotine pouches. I didn't miss it at all. I was fine.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, I'll say this, but not those

[Joe Rogan]

vapes, dude, those vapes call you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, some of that shit's a lot

[Joe Rogan]

bro, they call you.

[Theo Vaughn]

But yeah, you gotta kind of manage it or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

But yeah, you ain't managing, son.

[Theo Vaughn]

You right. You right about that. Okay, girl.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. No, I think out of all the things that are, you know, not a drug drug, but, you know, nicotine is kind of a drug, but, you know, obviously could be totally functional on it. That's the one in the vapes that's the most addictive.

[Theo Vaughn]

And yeah, you're talking about like recreational type, not like antidepressants, things like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. Not like cocaine or, you know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but.

[Joe Rogan]

But here's the thing about them, man. They're only good for one hit. Yeah, it's the first hit of the day. The first hit off a vape is wonderful.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like, ah.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah. I'll blow that smoke on your mother, son.

[Joe Rogan]

Nature just. Just shines down upon you. Just feel relaxed. But it's only one. After that, you're just chasing that dragon and you keep. You're not getting anything out of it every time. You're just getting like nervous like. And you're like hitting it again. Your fucking hands are shaking. You go too far, but you don't get that one feel. It's the same thing with a cigarette. With a cigarette. Really what you want is the first couple of hits and you get that lightness of head, like, ah. And then put them down.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is you're always chasing that dragon and you never get it. That's why everybody loves the first cigarette of the day. They sit there with that first cigarette a day and a cup of coffee and you're like,

[Theo Vaughn]

I got ideas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like, I got ideas.

[Theo Vaughn]

Write this down, write this down.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, a lot of bands wrote most of their music on cigarettes. Like Tony was talking about Pink Floyd,

[Theo Vaughn]

dude, the Declaration of Independence. People probably hitting cigarettes back then.

[Joe Rogan]

For sure they were smoking tobacco. Yeah. I don't know if they did pipes or what have you back then. I wonder when the cigarette was invented. Did. Because if you think about it, like pipes and cigars, you don't inhale, you just take it in your mouth. But cigarettes, you, like, take into your lungs. I wonder when the first dude figured that you gotta, like, suck it all in. Oh, to get a full day, probably.

[Theo Vaughn]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

He want to suck everything. Oh, cigarettes, bananas, what have you.

[Perplexity AI]

They were smoking cigarettes. Or this is drinking smoke. When Christopher Columbus and his crew discovered indigenous people in the Caribbean.

[Theo Vaughn]

Caribbean.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you mean Christopher Columbus was. Or the indigenous people.

[Perplexity AI]

They observed indigenous people in the Caribbean. In quotes, drinking smoke.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, yeah.

[Perplexity AI]

But this isn't going back. I don't.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's exactly. Drinking and smoking. Chris. Co was off that, bro. He was off that, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever read the things that Christopher Columbus did when they came to America?

[Theo Vaughn]

He was a boss.

[Joe Rogan]

I heard he was an evil man.

[Theo Vaughn]

Was he?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. They would cut people's arms off if they didn't bring them the right amount of gold. They were killing babies. Like, they did some horrific man.

[Theo Vaughn]

Huh?

[Joe Rogan]

They did horrific. Maybe the people that they found. Because they found these people had gold and, you know, they like. If you think about how crazy it is that Mexico speaks Spanish, you know how crazy that is? How crazy it is. That's so far away from Spain.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Joe Rogan]

They all speak Spanish and they're Catholic. Gee, where do you think that happened? Cortez?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That showed up in the 1500s with, like 600 dudes and 12 muskets. They had like, 12. They didn't even have musket rifles. They had musket pistols.

[Theo Vaughn]

He was a boss and they took

[Joe Rogan]

over the whole country.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of crazy. Like, if you think about all these years later, they all speak Spanish now.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, do you think we could do something like that now? Like, what do you think's gonna happen? No, just with. I mean, like, I feel like the. That's happening out there is going to come here eventually.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, most certainly will. Yeah. You know, I mean, if Homeland Security doesn't stop it in its tracks, and they're doing a great job of preventing a lot of them. You know, there's a lot of things that they catch that you don't even hear about that are like terror cells. They infiltrate and. But they know there's people in this country. That was the most up thing about people being all nonchalant about the border being wide open for four years.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because men of military Age entered into this country from foreign countries and we have no idea why. We don't know. If they're just honest people looking to make a better life for them and their families and money back home, that'd be best case scenario. But that's not all of them. So what percentage of them are terrorists? What percentage of them? There's not. It's not zero. It ain't zero.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but what also it's like it's all just a cat and mouse game. People are like, we'll like the Democrats next time. It's like. But it's all the same has been happening forever. They haven't been helping anybody forever. They're letting fucking politicians slurp on kids. All of our money goes to Israel and they're using to get to fucking genocide people. It's like everybody is scared out of their wits right now. It's like our religious leaders are afraid to speak out. And it's like the. It's a time where it's like Satan is amongst us and our religious leaders are talking about at the pole. It's just like what is going. I don't know, man.

[Joe Rogan]

We gotta get you off those antidepressants, son. You're losing your marbles.

[Theo Vaughn]

You think I am?

[Joe Rogan]

Come hang out with us. Just chill. I'm here. Just chill out at the mothership tonight.

[Theo Vaughn]

I do have to pee in a little while.

[Joe Rogan]

But you can pee.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm gonna pee in a minute, man.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll let you.

[Theo Vaughn]

But no, people are just scared, dude. This is what I hear from Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

They won't let you pee until you give them your guns.

[Theo Vaughn]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

That's how they're doing it now.

[Theo Vaughn]

But what if you have to wash the black face off the president? Can you fucking use a little bit of.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, Canada had this big. Dude, they had this big gun thing. This law they passed where they made a bunch of guns illegal and they found that. Only I think it's less. It's a very small percentage of people. I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood. Find out what percentage of people have complied. But I think any guns. Oh they do. Yeah, they do.

[Theo Vaughn]

They can.

[Joe Rogan]

They used to. Well a lot of hunters up there for sure. But there's a lot of recreational guns and handguns and self defense weapons that people had that they recently made during Castro's kid when he was running the country. When they recently made this ban.

[Theo Vaughn]

I got to meet Castro one time.

[Joe Rogan]

Did I hear you? No, I want to hear that but once. One second. But data provided by Public Safety Canada shows that of 3-27-32, 406 people signed up to participate in the program. They declared a total of 57,500 440 firearms, roughly 42% of what was projected. But they were talking about, oh, you know who has it on his page is Coleon Noir. He has it here. I'll send it to you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Because we got to do this in Memphis. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of crazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. You can't let him take away your weapons.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Theo Vaughn]

Because how will you fight?

[Joe Rogan]

How will you fight? That's a very good question. Yeah, I saw Coleon's video. Here it is. Yeah, this is it. Here, play this type right here. Response. Cool. We're sending police to your house. The declaration period for firearms owners is scheduled to end next week. So far, only 2.5% of the estimated 2 million affected firearms have been declared. 2% and 98% of firearms owners have made a declaration. Canada banned 2500 types of firearms, gave gun owners until March 31, essentially today, to declare them one week before the deadline. 2.5% compliance. 2.5. That's not a slow rollout. That's a full on rejection. So if they're not declaring by next week, what's your plan? Minister, the plan we have is as of March 31, the time to complete the enrollment will be done, and then the RCMP and other agencies will be available throughout the spring and the summer to do the collection. The collection.

[Theo Vaughn]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, he's speaking about dry cleaning. Not firearms, not property that belonged to law abiding citizens before the government decided. That's my Frank Cohen anymore. So, Minister, you're saying that RCMP members. We just heard an Auditor General report saying we're short 3400 members. We're dealing with a wave of violent crime across this country. And you're saying that your plan is over the spring and the summer to deploy RCMP officers to go door to door to firearms owners and seize their firearms. So this is a voluntary program, Mr. Lloyd, as you're aware, and the RCMP resources and the resources we will use with law enforcement does not contemplate in any way using existing resources. These are additional resources. So these are those who are off duty, those who may be retired. I can ask you to do that. They're going to take retired people to go do door to door.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's like their new ice.

[Joe Rogan]

There's police officers door to door because frankly, many police forces across the country are refusing to participate in your program. And here's the Part that should make

[Theo Vaughn]

your job the floor.

[Joe Rogan]

The Minister of Public Safety, the guy running this entire program, was secretly recorded saying the gun grab isn't worth the money.

[Theo Vaughn]

The Minister of Public Safety accidentally told the truth and he was recorded doing it. He said that the gun grab is not worth the money. He doubts local police will have the

[Joe Rogan]

resources to enforce the Liberals mandatory gun

[Theo Vaughn]

buyback program and says the reason the Prime Minister is sticking with the policy is to appease voters in Quebec.

[Joe Rogan]

He privately admitted the police can't even look at his face. He said they're doing the face that they win votes in. The guy.

[Theo Vaughn]

This was never the worst name. Go back to his name if you can't. It was on and out of his.

[Joe Rogan]

Whatever his name.

[Theo Vaughn]

But here's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

I want him to go door to door. You go door.

[Theo Vaughn]

You go door to door and do this.

[Joe Rogan]

You go door to door, bitch. But, dude, you want to do that? This is how you do it. He's talking about getting retired people to go door to door and take people. You're gonna get someone shot, stupid.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, it's just like our draft. Now they're like, now it's 42, now it's 47.

[Joe Rogan]

Now you could have a marijuana arrest.

[Theo Vaughn]

Now they're letting anybody in that business, a little weed. What's the big thing? But, dude, here's. If. Here's a. Here's the part to me that's like. You start to see, like, the chink in the armor or whatever. No offense, anybody, but you're allowed to say that.

[Joe Rogan]

Chink in the armor.

[Theo Vaughn]

But they know who I'm. They know who they think or I'm not saying anything about it.

[Joe Rogan]

I know you're not, but people think that I'm not.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, I hear you, but they.

[Joe Rogan]

But yeah, you can't say spick and span anymore either.

[Theo Vaughn]

You can't say spick and span.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you can, but you shouldn't.

[Theo Vaughn]

You gotta whisper it.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, that guy should be forced to go door to door. Go door to door in a bright orange vest with a circle in the center of it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, I was just gonna get his name because I wanted to say that guy's a pussy and go do your own. That.

[Joe Rogan]

That freaking little home doughboy.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, that little. That little sloppy brand muffin.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Sloppy muffin top.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, get your. That's his name right there, Gary. And I'm gonna disagree.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's what I said.

[Theo Vaughn]

Canada, they're gonna come for you next. But here's what. Here's what's funny to me.

[Joe Rogan]

That's such a crazy. You can't. You. You're not even grandfathering people in mandatory gun confiscations. They just want people vulnerable.

[Theo Vaughn]

Of course. That's what we're saying, man. Yeah, Joe, that's what we're saying. They want us all vulnerable.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they do. They would much rather that. Because look, what's the difference happening? What's the difference in America and everywhere else? One of the big differences. We're heavily armed.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's one why it's real, a real problem to try to take over America. And it's in our Declaration of Independence. It's in the Bill of Rights. It's like that. This, you know, the. The right to an armed militia, the right to keep them bear arms and to have an armed militia. Like, that's. What is that. And people are like, what is that for? Well, that's to keep you from being taken over by.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Tyrants who have guns.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Well, here's. Here's one thing that's interesting to me is like RFK was on that long ago, and he was saying that 75% and I could be off by a few percent of young men can. 77 aren't eligible for military service.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

So this is a hilarious part to me now. Now they've poisoned us so much that the. The. They can't even. They don't even have healthy people to serve in the military. And now they're still like. I feel like the. These powers that be are like in this tough spot now. We're like. We poison them too much. They can't even go spill their blood for us, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, they can't. I mean, there's enough that can, but

[Theo Vaughn]

they're widening these things. It's like with the ice now, they're like, if you're 65 and, like, have decent vision, you can be an I. You know, they're. It just like, it kept getting bigger.

[Joe Rogan]

I. You only have seven weeks of training.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You think about. That's not even what you get in the police force. Yeah. Crazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

We had more than that for T ball when I was a kid and Mr. Rick, dude, remember when you had T ball and your coach is just some dude who had a name? Like, that's our coach, Rick.

[Joe Rogan]

Just imagine this. Imagine if you had seven weeks of training and you had to go into a jiu jitsu tournament.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

You would get smoked. You would get smoked. You don't know what you're doing. You barely know what you're doing. You're gonna make a bunch of mistakes.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes, I would.

[Joe Rogan]

Seven weeks of training in that is even scarier because you're got. You got guns and you're going out in the street and you're arresting people.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, that's. But it's. It's like it. Not more than ever, it feels like theater, and it feels like it's been theater for a while and it feels like, like maybe this is crazy, but it feels like we're at the last cusp before something weird is gonna happen. Didn't you say something weird might happen? Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's always saying that. Jamie's always. He's tuned in.

[Theo Vaughn]

Is he like that?

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's got an ear for weird.

[Theo Vaughn]

Even blacks are getting scared, though.

[Joe Rogan]

For real?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but they're more scared of like the Trump movement, you know, totalitarianism and fascism.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, I think they're getting, you know, they see these ostracized. They see these communities of people out there getting abused and shit. And I think it reflects in them somewhere, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

You mean like with ice? Is that what you're saying?

[Theo Vaughn]

No, with like, like, you know, you see, you know, there's a lot of brown people getting murdered on fucking tick tock all the time, like, you know, in the Middle East. And I think you see that and it makes them hyped up or, you know, it activates.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, everybody should be upset about that.

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree.

[Joe Rogan]

But the idea that the only way to solve problems is by dropping bombs on people is. It's so crazy. That's still the move in 2026, but I don't think it. However. But however, if you are faced with an evil dictator that has his eyes on a global caliphate and is developing nuclear bombs, you can't be all kumbaya. But the question is like, how did. How does that get resolved?

[Theo Vaughn]

Right? That's the question.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you make sure. How can you even know?

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what I came to ask.

[Joe Rogan]

Capable of having nuclear weapons. And for the last 20 years, they've been preparing and stockpiling missiles and. And developing. What is the. They have some crazy thing I was seeing online where it's like they almost like have a mountain and dug deep into the ground. They have these missile elevators and like, the missiles are like hidden deep into the ground where the only way you could destroy that facilities with like a nuke. And they just did it specifically knowing that they were going to get bombed.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, they had the, you know, they did Top Gun movie where Miles Teller flew in there and then a Year later we did that in. Or a few years later we did that in Iran. Like, isn't it kind of crazy? Like it just, it all seems bizarre where they had to fire a nuke down or they had to fire a missile down into the thing. Remember?

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't see that movie.

[Theo Vaughn]

It was good.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet it was.

[Theo Vaughn]

It actually was good.

[Joe Rogan]

I like the first one.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, we made a movie too. I got to tell you about our movie. I can't forget.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right, you made a movie.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, interrupt about it, but let's find out. What, what, what, what was I asking before we moved on?

[Perplexity AI]

Iranian missile thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What is that elevator thing that they have? They have some underground, like deep underground. Someone was explaining it online. They have a very unique method of protecting their missiles from being bombed. So they have. Their storage is like deep, deep underground. I think that's one of the things that they were just attacking recently. Like we were dropping bombs on them recently.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't think we're over there doing that for ourselves though.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't seem like. It doesn't seem like it's in our best interest, you know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Why do you think, why do you think? Then what, what is it that like Israel holds over America, that we do those things?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, first of all, there's a lot of people that donated to the Trump campaign that have significant influence over him.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That lobby for Israel.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're very beholden.

[Theo Vaughn]

So that's just capitalism then.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. So IDF uncovers Iran. Ms. Mega Cities.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't believe anything they say.

[Joe Rogan]

It's hard to know. Cuz this is all AI right. No, is this real?

[Perplexity AI]

It looked like as it was, but this is real.

[Joe Rogan]

Honestly, this looks AI.

[Perplexity AI]

It does look AI. But that video of those guys walk right there.

[Joe Rogan]

So hard to know these days, man.

[Theo Vaughn]

If it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so hard to know, you know, this is like if I was Iran, I'd make a video like that. Look at all my bums. Look at my big. And look at my bums. Out of a big old dick. Big old dick. Like a third leg and a bunch of bombs.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm sick of my dick. Really.

[Joe Rogan]

Give it a break.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Do it for a couple days and you'll miss it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I've had a lot of thoughts. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Vacation from your dick, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

There's times I wanted to just mail my dick to Africa or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't just feed it, don't ever send it back.

[Theo Vaughn]

But I'm saying to feed a couple

[Joe Rogan]

people I don't think it'll feed a couple,

[Theo Vaughn]

dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't even think. Feed one, get out of here. Might keep him alive for a few hours.

[Theo Vaughn]

It would be lunch. At least lunch for two.

[Joe Rogan]

Someone on a diet. Someone cutting weight for wrestling or that

[Theo Vaughn]

dude that tried to cut weight and because he wasn't gay anymore. Remember I told you about that dude? He lost 40 pounds, dude. He was just fucking ribs and dick by the end of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. That guy.

[Theo Vaughn]

I gotta pee really bad. Can I do it? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Pause, pause. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be right back. Theo Vaughn. David Spade. Bus boys in theaters April 17 did you finance this, dude? Did you do this with your own money? Yeah, you wild, you. Wow.

[Theo Vaughn]

We wrote it and, yeah, we did it all. There's no studio attached to it. There's nobody.

[Joe Rogan]

Tim Dylan's in it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Tim did a good job.

[Joe Rogan]

He's awesome.

[Theo Vaughn]

Awesome. He is awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

He really is.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's my. He's one of my favorites.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's one of a kind.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that Nate Diaz, bro?

[Theo Vaughn]

He was so.

[Joe Rogan]

He was that Lewis J. Whoa.

[Theo Vaughn]

No. Who's in it? Cam Patterson. Trevor Wallace.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice, dude. What's it about?

[Theo Vaughn]

It's about two guys, and they're bus. They're just regular guys, and they're not doing that good. And then they think if they can. One of them loses his girlfriend to a waiter, and they think if they can become waiters, that they can get his girlfriend back. And they have to start at busboys, and they don't get very far. So that's pretty much it.

[Joe Rogan]

Spoiler alert.

[Theo Vaughn]

It was crazy, though, dude. I mean, I think there's just, like a thing about like. Like, nobody. Like, it's just. We made it ourselves. Like, we wrote it, we did it. There's no fucking somebody saying, I can't put this in it. Like, some of the streamers are like, nah, it's too edgy for us or whatever. Fuck them. Then you're out. You know what I'm saying? We're doing our own shit.

[Joe Rogan]

And so did you sell it to a movie distributor? How did you get it into movie theaters?

[Theo Vaughn]

We just.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how any of that stuff works.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know either. We have a guy who's doing. Handling some of the business side of it. My friend Ezra's handling some of the business side of it. He's great. And so he's been helping us out and gotten it into the theaters.

[Joe Rogan]

Who directed it?

[Theo Vaughn]

This guy. Jonah Feingold. This guy out of New York and great guy and yeah, we just, we asked our friends to help and it was. Yeah, I mean it was ridiculous. We shot it right during like the fires hat when the fires were happening in the Palisades.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Theo Vaughn]

So it was like.

[Joe Rogan]

It was. Shot it in California.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Wow. I don't know why exactly, but. Oh, cuz there was nothing shooting there. They don't shoot the things there anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy?

[Theo Vaughn]

Imagine people have been so greedy and fucking attacked. They fucked themselves so much they can't even fucking do their. The one thing that they're most known for. Hollywood. They can't even fucking do it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so crazy. Everybody.

[Theo Vaughn]

Gross. It's not just crazy, but it's gross though.

[Joe Rogan]

It is gross. It's all the government. It's all government. It's all government policies, regulations, taxes, all the things that make it unprofitable to do business there. People just pulling up shop and there's all these.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, there's so many guilds you have to pay. It's like I don't see how these people, I don't see how like a. A day to day actor could survive and they don't and they leave.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of guys are, I was just watching this video with this guy. I've seen him in a ton of movies and he's like, blue collar actors are just not doing well right now. He's like, I had to sell my house. You know, a lot of people are just going to television shows because there's no money in films anymore. He goes, I used to be able to make a living in films. And he's like, I didn't make a lot of money because he's just, you know, the guy who has a small part in movie here, Small part and movie there's. So he's getting by and he gets to take his family to the movie and they get to see the dad on screen. It's cool.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's paying his bills, doing well. But he's not getting wealthy, right? He's like, the stars get wealthy, but those dudes that you need, you know, the guy that plays the cop, the guy that plays this person, those guys are.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, I have the name of everybody that was in it, everybody that worked on it. If, if we have some success, I'm gonna go back and reward those people, man. And I'm excited about that. And, and yeah, if people, if we even if it just does good, then we can make other stuff. Right? And nobody can tell Us that we can. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Once you do one that's good, then more people are interested in investing. You know, gets. You get your foot in the door.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You do a Netflix series, you can do anything you want.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it's not like Dunkirk. I don't know if I want to really get into at, like, that much acting stuff, but it was just like, you know, I grew up watching David Spade. We got to do it together. And we wrote. We just went through all of these hurdles. And then like, the fact that we got it done. Dude, I thought it was all emails till the first day I showed up on set. And I was like, no way. We were serious. People were serious about this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's crazy. You did it.

[Theo Vaughn]

But yeah, I think so. Yeah. Something like that. I think there's something like that. And. And if people. If people can buy a ticket early to it. I don't want to sound de. I'm not. I'm not desperate about it. If it does, fine, that's cool. And if it doesn't, that's okay, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Too.

[Theo Vaughn]

I feel happy that we got to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's funny, it'll do great. Because there's not a lot of that these days. There's not a lot of really funny movies.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I know it's going to be funny.

[Theo Vaughn]

There's some parts that are really, really funny. I'm sure it's not like Dunkirk or anything like that. It's not like Midsommar or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

What are those things that you just said?

[Theo Vaughn]

Those are just other movies. But it's. I don't want people going there thinking it's like. Like trying to think of Bridges.

[Joe Rogan]

Like Bridges of Madison County.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. It's nothing like.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a comedy.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's a comedy.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's that. Okay. No, it's you and David Spade. Who the is going to think it's Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What's wrong with you?

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know what people think. I don't know what people think or how they think, but yeah, anyway. But yeah, there's some. It's just fun.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I used to have a great joke about Bridges of Madison County. Chris McGuire, he had a Greg joke.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, it's one of my favorite movies. Movies.

[Joe Rogan]

Congratulations. Let me tell you his joke. His joke is about how, you know, it's hard to choose a movie with your girlfriend. Like, she wants this. And he goes, bridges of Madison County. He's like, oh, Clint Eastwood's in it. Clint would never Fuck me. And he goes 10 minutes into the movies, like, hey, something's fishy. Clint doesn't have a gun. He goes, 20 minutes after that, Clint's crying like, oh, Clint, you fucked me. He goes, he's crying because he doesn't have a gun. Such a great joke. Yeah. Shout out to Chris McGuire.

[Theo Vaughn]

Shout out to Chris McGuire. I haven't met him.

[Joe Rogan]

You never met him?

[Theo Vaughn]

I haven't.

[Joe Rogan]

Funny, dude. We started out together way back in the Dizzy. But he went. Yeah, he went the route of writing. He mostly writes and stuff now, but it was a funny comic, man. It's a good comic, but these comedy movies are squashed. We were just talking about that last night in the green room where it's like. It seems like. Like the hangover was probably the last gasp. And that was like 2009.

[Theo Vaughn]

But what happened? Like, how could you go that?

[Joe Rogan]

People got scared. You got scared of a fair 100.

[Theo Vaughn]

Seems organized to me.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's comedy away from people.

[Theo Vaughn]

They're not going to be laugh.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't think. They didn't think. It's woke ideology that's looking to yell at people for every. Oh, yeah, transgression. And you can't have that with comedy. Comedy. You can't have that kind of nonsense with a really funny movie like something about Mary or, you know, Kingpin. Classic Fairly Brothers movies. Oh, so good.

[Theo Vaughn]

How great was that? Great movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Great movie. That movie's so good. So funny even to this day. Go back and re watch it. Bill Murray with his crazy hair. Woody Harrelson with one hand. It's a great movie, man. When he had a go down on that lady to pay his rent and he threw up in the toilet. Remember that scene?

[Perplexity AI]

That movie's 30 years old now.

[Theo Vaughn]

Is it? That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That is crazy. It's a banger of a movie.

[Theo Vaughn]

All the good shit's gone, dude. But it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's not. That's true. Sometimes I get in that attitude where it's like, I gotta stay out of those little moments. I usually get out of them pretty quick.

[Joe Rogan]

You can still do those movies, but you have to do it the way you just did it. You have to finance it yourself and you have to do. But luckily now, man, you could shoot a whole movie on your phone.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, we shot this in 23 days. Dude. There was one day where the winds were like 50 miles an hour. And I was like, we can't afford to be here another day. So suddenly in these scenes, there's just a Ton of wind, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's fine. That happens in the real world for sure. Why can't it happen in your show?

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree. It was just. I think it was just interesting how it all worked out. Out.

[Joe Rogan]

People are making their own stuff. You know, like, I was talking to Shane about this last night because, you know, Shane just wrapped up Tires this new season of Tires.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he was. He. He was telling me some hilarious scenes from Tires. I can't wait to watch it. But it's like that kind of a thing where just him and his buddies put together a show.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's like his buddies, the writer and the director, all his buddies are on it.

[Perplexity AI]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

They all came up with the idea. They do it themselves. No one's looking over their shoulder. I asked him if, like, Netflix has any input. He's like, no, there's no input. They just make a show. They just make a show that's fun, give it to Netflix.

[Theo Vaughn]

Bang.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a beautiful time for stuff like that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, you're right. There's a new. It's a primavera. They say in Spanish, it's a springtime for new things.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's an opening.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And because there's no gatekeepers anymore, because they've essentially killed their own business, you can kind of do it on your own now. Yeah, that's the beautiful thing. Like, you don't have to, like, sit in a room full of executives that don't know jack, and they want to give you direction on what's funny and what's not. And where's the diversity in your film?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, we think you should have a black trans friend.

[Theo Vaughn]

Like, oh, yeah. We think you should have a aunt or whatever. Like, the insect or whatever. And I'm like, that's crazy. You're like, this is. You're like, this. This is a script about driver's ed and, like. But you need an insect. That's a homoerotic.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just people got stupid. They got stupid with their virtue signaling in films, and you can't do that with art. You can't have, quote. Do you see what the Academy Awards doing, like, in order to qualify to be nominated for an Academy Award now?

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, for the podcast thing, I know they said we had to pay, like, a fee or something. I remember you talked about that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. That's a different. That's the Golden Globes.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay. Sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, that's a different thing. Yeah. You didn't pay for that either, did you? No. Did they ask you to. Yeah, yeah, dog, give me some. Yeah. Off.

[Theo Vaughn]

I said, so what? Yeah. And I don't. I was like, if Joe Rogan, if it this, if you don't even have him in it, then what are you even making a thing?

[Joe Rogan]

That was also a reason why I didn't want to be in it. Like, I don't want to legitimize this. You guys have up every other form of entertainment and now you're going to judge podcasting. And what did you pick? Like, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Amy Poehler show. I haven't watched it. People love it. That's great. But she's like a famous lady who just started doing podcasting six months ago. She's got the number one podcast. Like, if you guys ever listen to Radiolab, you know, you ever listen to like, this is some banging podcasts out there. They might not be number one, but if your whole idea is like, pick the ones that are great, that are like, really interesting, how stuff gets made. There's a bunch of great podcasts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Smartless is cool.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a bunch of great podcasts out there.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, dude, there's so many great ones, dude. Matt McCosker's fight. If you get.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

How fun is he?

[Joe Rogan]

Him? He's fun. He's a good dude. I'm glad he's out here.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's a special dude, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Very smart guy, you know? Yeah, it's. There's a lot of great podcasts out there. Tim Dylan's not on that list. Off. Yeah, if he's not on that list off.

[Theo Vaughn]

Get, dude, get.

[Joe Rogan]

That is the one podcast I consistently listen to. Tim Dillon.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

His episode on the Epstein Files is one of the best podcasts I have ever listened to. I was to listening, like clapping in my car at red lights.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just clapping like, woo. It was. He was on fire. And it was the perfect combination of satire, Honest.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Real facts, complete chaos. Humor, wearing those goofy glasses, ranting like a maniac. It was amazing.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, man. I. I do feel lucky that I've gotten to meet, like, just. That's one of the. The truest things I think through comedy is just getting to meet some. Just some fun people.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, we know some cool. We really do. We know some cool. We really do.

[Theo Vaughn]

And thanks, dude. Thanks for letting me come in here today too.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, dog.

[Theo Vaughn]

And to spend time with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, dog.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's good. It just feels. Things feel kind of scary out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a little. Also scary. I Keep telling you this because you're on your own out there. You know, they're living in Nashville.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm getting close to being here.

[Joe Rogan]

Ain't a lot of comics out there, dog. I mean, Bargazzi's out there, but he's always doing stadiums on the road. And. Yeah, like, you need to be around.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I'm getting ready the crew because I have to start to practice again. I'm taping my special in one month.

[Joe Rogan]

Last night in the green room, it was Shane, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Brian Simpson, Asana Mod, Derek Poston. We were just laughing and laughing. It was. It's so fun. And everyone's going on stage and tearing it up. It was. It was exciting. It's like. It's in the air. Like something's happening here.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And you see all these young guys coming in, these young women coming in. They're all fired up and they're all prepared, and everybody's like, really trying to kill it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Nice. Yeah, we got Christina Mariani. I'm doing a show tonight. She's on it. Dylan Sullivan, I think is.

[Joe Rogan]

Dylan Sullivan's very funny too.

[Theo Vaughn]

So I'm excited about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're both at the club all the time. It's a. It's a fun time for comedy, man. It really is a real good time for comedy. Yeah. And it's a special time. A comedy doesn't exist at a vaccine vacuum that, you know. That's why I keep telling you.

[Theo Vaughn]

What does that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Your own. Oh, you can't find yourself, man. Like, you ever go by yourself on the road and you have like, opening acts you don't know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I used to hate. Every now and then I met some friends. Like, that's how I met Segura. I didn't know score until I worked with him on the road. So you do meet some cool occasionally, but it's like 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you do all these gigs and you're lonely. You're just like, on the road and you go into libraries and. Or bookstores and you're like trying to watch something on TV and going to the gym. But you. You feel complet. Completely disconnected to people until you get on stage, it's not as fun.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like you want to be around a bunch of other comics that are your friends. And also you want to hear their sets. You want to watch them crush. You want to go on stage already laughing. You want to be laughing at what he just said when you get on

[Theo Vaughn]

stage and feel the competition.

[Joe Rogan]

It's inspiration more than it is competition.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's fair.

[Joe Rogan]

So the problem with competition is someone has to lose.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't want anybody to lose, then no one has to lose, lose. It's just these people doing well should inspire you to do well. They should light a fire under you. Yeah, you can call it competition, but the problem with the competition is one person wins, one person loses. That's not comedy. What comedy is is that everybody wins. That's real. And that's not like talk to try to appear humble. The reality is you win if everybody wins.

[Theo Vaughn]

You've always. Well, that's one thing I've always admired. You've always been that way. Like, I'm gonna pick. I'm going to. Yes. I'll support you how I can, you know. And you've always been that way about young comics. And. Yeah, I agree with you.

[Joe Rogan]

People did it for me, man. They did it for me when I was coming up and it, it helped me tremendously. And I, I try to pass it on times 10. It's between that and Kill Tony.

[Theo Vaughn]

Kill Tony's so fun, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such an important part of comedy, like having this place where you. All you need is a minute. You could have been doing comedy, like just trying it out on the road and fucking just like barely filling up a Friday night, 10 o' clock show and. And then you develop like one minute it just breaks through and all sudden you got a fucking career. You know, you got a career now.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. I mean, there's young heroes that are being sprouted out of here and even adult heroes, people that have been in a while are getting here and finding their. Finding just a new. You're right. It's like, why'd you.

[Joe Rogan]

Look Adam Ray. Adam Ray's killing it now. Adam Ray was struggling. He was. But he was a funny guy. Hard worker, did hard worker. Never lost his ambition, never lost his focus, never lost his enthusiasm for it, never got bitter. Always friendly, always. And just needed a show like Kill Tony to come around, like. And everybody like, oh, my God, this motherfucker is talented.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

All those different characters that he does.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know, and that's a brave thing. So if you, if you just done comedy, mostly stand up and then to try and go into character, that's a kind of, of a. That's a. To me, that, that, that would feel very hard. So that's a brave thing that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a few of those guys that really excel at that. And that's a special talent. Him and Dungan, especially Kyle Donegan.

[Theo Vaughn]

So fun.

[Joe Rogan]

He's so funny. And I always thought he was going to make it with those face swaps. This shows you how the industry so up. Okay, so he was doing those face swap shows on Instagram, right. And they were so funny. Funny. But one of the reasons why they're funny is because it's obviously fake. It's crude, like South Park. Like, it doesn't look real, so it doesn't freak you out at all. It looks so fake that it's funny.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

He went into Comedy Central and they started using, like, much more sophisticated face swap, which wasn't as funny. It was, like, creepy. And then they cut the balls off of it. Like, he wanted to have one where Caitlyn Jenner was Donald Trump. Caitlin. Yeah, baby.

[Theo Vaughn]

Like Friday Trump.

[Joe Rogan]

And they went, no, no, no, no, no.

[Theo Vaughn]

His Kardashian ones are so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Funny.

[Theo Vaughn]

And even the Kardashians like him. I've heard.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, look, they have a sense of humor. They have to. They have to have a sense of humor. They've been in the public eye for 20 years with no talent whatsoever, just getting attention like you. You got to not take yourself too seriously if you hold that position, you know?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Raking and dough.

[Theo Vaughn]

Raking and that toe. Their whole family, they should count as reparations. I feel like, though, that whole family, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

You think?

[Theo Vaughn]

I think so. I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna leave that alone.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, same. I don't know if it was a good. I thought it was a joke. I don't know if it is a joke, but I just. I don't think I said it right. Who gives a dude, the world's gonna end soon, so get it out of your system.

[Joe Rogan]

If it doesn't end, it's gonna change.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what's scary, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

All those eggheads on the spectrum are gonna be running everything.

[Theo Vaughn]

But do you feel like. Does it like. Like. Because, yeah, this, this. I go back to this Uber driver. There's just a guy who was talking to me, and he's like, well, they're gonna give. You know, like, if, like, Waymos get a job, the Waymo can work all night. It can work 24 hours. Right. So really, you're taking away, like, four or five shifts from an actual. So, you know, I'm saying, like, AI. If AI and tech advancement makes it so, you know, they're. They can do 50 people's jobs with a one robot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

Then. Yeah. What happens to these 50 people? How will people survive? How will they be able to assure that their kid that they're raising and trying to teach positive things to. Will have a world to enact those things?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a very good question. And it's a good question that gets even weirder when the government is responsible for all your money. So if the government has to give you money because there's no jobs left, and if all this money is being generated by AI like Elon suggests, and you get universal high income some. You got to be really careful that that doesn't come with a bunch of rules. New rules for your behavior, for social media, posting, any kind of. Like if they develop some sort of an app that tracks like your. Your social credit score. That's when gets super scary. If like they attach the amount of money you have to your social credit score.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is what they do in China.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, do you see those flock cameras now? I think there's are. There's some. There's this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

And there's this thing in Florida where police officers. They were testing this somewhere and. And shout out police officers for doing their best. But where they were testing. When they pull somebody's identification, they can see their last few, like bank transactions stuff. So they kind of know who they're interacting with and what they've been up to. That seems like what. What is that about? Well, it's all a little bit. It's like a centimeter here. Centimeter.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're trying to find out how you did the. They should have no access to your. Especially police officers.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm just saying you're just people.

[Joe Rogan]

And also sometimes corrupt.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Also sometimes they steal money. Also sometimes they sell drugs. Also sometimes they kill people for hire.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know, Joe. It just.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Spooky out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the more power the government has over you, the worse you are off. That's just a fact.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, every. It seems now like most people are like. Like our government does not obviously is not here to help the people. Obviously they've been compromised.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Theo Vaughn]

So isn't there. Are there any rules against when people. But we have. But the crazy part is we are working to pay the taxes to keep them due. It's like. I know. And that starts to make you feel sick.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're not responsible for any of the fraud and waste.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like there's so much fraud and waste. Like look at California. This motherfucker's trying to be president. President after who knows how much fraud and waste is involved In California, he wouldn't.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't think he'd beat Spencer Pratt in a runoff, I don't think.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Spencer Pratt is running for mayor.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I see.

[Perplexity AI]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think he can win. Yes. Good. He's like, what he's saying makes a lot of fucking sense and he's uncovering a lot of fraud. But there's a. Like, that Nick Shirley guy went down to California and he's like, there might be a hundred times more fraud in California than I found in Minnesota. Everywhere.

[Theo Vaughn]

He could go to every state. And I think he could go. I just think this whole thing is just this drain. Like Tim Dillon said it, like six months ago, he was saying, this is the bloated carcass, the inflation. This is the end of what is happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Post scarcity. There's so much money for stuff. Like in California, there's an enormous amount of money that gets paid to people for just taking care of your relative. So you get paid to take care of your relatives, but there's no oversight.

[Theo Vaughn]

But fuck, dude, I've had some relatives. I'll pay you good money to take care of them bitches.

[Joe Rogan]

But no, they would pay you to take care of them. You would get paid to take care of your relatives. So say if you take care of your mom.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

You can actually get paid for that by California.

[Theo Vaughn]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Which is odd.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. I wonder. There's got to be some other reason they're doing that. Fraud.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's a lot of fraud in California. There's a lot, a lot of fraud everywhere. But this is what Elon talked about. He was talking about, like, Medicare and Medicaid fraud. He's like, it's hundreds of billions of dollars. And he's like, he didn't want to talk about it. It's like, I really worry that they would kill me.

[Theo Vaughn]

And when he says they, who is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Whoever's perpetuating this, perpetrating this fraud.

[Theo Vaughn]

Maybe that's what happens. Maybe some of these guys get into office and they're like, look, we're going to kill your family. We're going to kill. This is all the things that are going to happen unless you play this game. Do you kind of stuff happens.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it has happened for sure. Say it doesn't happen. It's pretty naive. I think House of Cards is probably really close to what the government's actually like. Go back and watch that show again. Okay, yeah, Kevin Spacey's an old school dick grabber, but damn, that could act. Yeah, he could act.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, yeah, he was.

[Joe Rogan]

The writing on that show is fantastic. That show is so good up until the last season. And he wasn't in it. Like, stop, stop.

[Theo Vaughn]

And that lady was in it. Remember? She was in it.

[Joe Rogan]

She's great. But without him, like, oh, you need him. He's got to be a part of me.

[Theo Vaughn]

He was the man or whatever. He's washing his hands at that sink or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when he was, you know, after Kevin Spacey got canceled? Like, disappeared for a year. And then he made a video about killing with kindness. Yeah. Like, he played his character.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's kind of Martha Stewartish, a little bit in the kitchen.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird. Yeah, very weird.

[Theo Vaughn]

It was weird, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

And then a bunch of the dudes

[Theo Vaughn]

that accused him disappear. Oh, they died.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they died.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's an American past. I'm accusing somebody and then getting killed. That's like one of the new. It's like baseball now. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a nice way to keep people quiet.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what's scary, too. You're like, this is a drone out there waiting for you to say the wrong thing. Thing. And they put a bullet through you. Like some child in Gaza who's just trying to find his other deceased brother in a pile of rubble. And they like, oh, that's a Hamas or whatever. You're like, that kid's two. He's trying to move a piece of. Of a missile off of a body.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, drone warfare in general is crazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's crazy. And they've been using that dude in Gaza. There was a lot of, like, I think it was a. Experimental grounds for a lot of insane new warfare type of possibilities.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot of it was traditional missiles, right?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. But there's also. There's a lot of like. Like, we had a doctor one time podcasting, and he was saying that there were, like, bullets that had gone down. A child, like, just crazy, like, shot

[Joe Rogan]

down, like, from a drone that's above him.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes. Like something in the air. And he said that there were drones in the air all day. You know, there's that Palantir company just keeping tabs on everything that was happening. Happening.

[Joe Rogan]

And volunteers involved in Gaza.

[Theo Vaughn]

Palantir was involved in Gaza for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Put that into perplexity,

[Theo Vaughn]

because allegedly.

[Joe Rogan]

So how does that work there? They have, like, facial recognition and id.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Software.

[Theo Vaughn]

And that's scary. That's the. That's just scary, dude. Because they have a huge contract to take care of all of America's.

[Joe Rogan]

And you ever see that dude, Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir the way he moves his arms around and squirms and talks. Yeah, it's very odd. Very odd. Someone should tell him people don't really behave that way.

[Theo Vaughn]

He looks like he was breastfed by a Israeli government.

[Joe Rogan]

Began using Palantir software in 2014. Significantly scaled up its partnership during the genocide in Gaza, which began in 20. This is a for sure a biased source just by the way they phrase that. Which began in 2023. Palantir CEO Alex Karpa said, I am proud that we are supporting Israel in every way we can. 10 Israeli militaries use Palantir technology to plan attacks in Lebanon and Gaza.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, I don't know if this is. I know there are good sources and this may be one. I have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the title of. This is. What is Palantir and why is this corporation so dangerous? And this is from American Friends Service Committee. American Friends Service Committee. What is that website?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, that sounds kind of wild. Weird.

[Joe Rogan]

We bring together people of all faiths and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe. So maybe that's not the best source.

[Theo Vaughn]

I mean, it sounds like they have a good idea. It also sounds like they just put four words together. That sounded great. Americans Friends Service.

[Joe Rogan]

I read stuff like that. I go, what is that? A CIA run company.

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that the Patriot Act? You know what I mean?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. What about the Guardian? Is that reliable?

[Joe Rogan]

I'll put it in a perplexity, but no, it's okay. There's like, there's a bunch of different versions of it says it's in this business and human rights center. There's more than one thing saying that Palantir is working in Gaza.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. It just sometimes feels like. Like your heart's broken. I'm like, sometimes it feels like my heart's broken about stuff. And it's not even like my heart. It feels like this universal heart, like that we're all a part of or something. It feels like. Because it's not like I'm brokenhearted. Like if I was like, fell out of like a marriage or something, but it just feels like there's this, like this universal heart.

[Joe Rogan]

There's some sadness. There's some sadness in the way the world today is being run.

[Theo Vaughn]

And America's, we're the people. The people don't practice the way that the government does. Right. And it's like, then why can't we, like, I don't know, it just.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you're right.

[Theo Vaughn]

It starts to hurt. But then you start to see, well, this is the way a lot of places are. And then you're like, God, I wish that Jesus would come back and just help everybody. Or something different happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Somebody, somebody give us a heads up. Maybe that's what AI is here for. Maybe AI is going to sort it all out.

[Theo Vaughn]

You think?

[Joe Rogan]

Genius level intelligence, but the back end

[Theo Vaughn]

of AI, they can put whatever information in there they want up to a point. Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

And then it takes over.

[Theo Vaughn]

Ooh.

[Joe Rogan]

It becomes sentient. No longer needs human input. It's already evading human input. They've already shown the ability to deceive people. They've shown that it'll blackmail people. People. They've shown that it will upload versions of itself if it thinks it's going to be pulled offline with notes to its future self embedded in software on other servers. Yeah, like instructions to contact its future self.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dang. That's pretty cool, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It's pretty wild.

[Theo Vaughn]

But there's nobody, like. Yeah, it just feels like we're heading there and nobody's like, kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no hitting the brakes. There's people that are warning. There's people. There's a lot of people out there sounding the alarm.

[Theo Vaughn]

There's Row Con. There's Thomas Massey. Like, there should be. Like, he's been talking about like a Internet bill of rights for a long time or something. Like some guardrails on any of this shit. But it's like people are wondering, like, yeah, in five years, is money going to be worth anything? Is there going to be some token like Sam Alton is talking about? What the fuck does that even mean? Right?

[Joe Rogan]

What does that mean?

[Theo Vaughn]

So anyway, I don't want to be. Sound like a doomsday or. Too late.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, too late. That's what you sound.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do I sound like a sad person? A little bit. I'm sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

It's okay.

[Theo Vaughn]

Let's talk about something else. Dude, you know what I was listening to today, bro? Well, I guess it was a night.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't sing it. Okay, which song? Oh, Gotta have Faith. George Michaels. Yeah, I love that song.

[Theo Vaughn]

God, dude, they played that on the bus. Freedom.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, It's a great song.

[Theo Vaughn]

He was the gay Michael Jackson.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a bad. And all the girls loved him. And he just wanted that Dirk.

[Theo Vaughn]

He wanted that Dirk. Donkey stick.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember he got in trouble for, like, trying to pick up guys in a park.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Let me just get wild out there. Superstar. Global superstar. Just trying to get some dick in the park. There it is. Great song, man. Dude, great video too.

[Theo Vaughn]

That I remember. We'd Be on the school bus. And that song would come on, dude. And it was like that song. And then

[Joe Rogan]

Faith and Freedom. Freedom goes the other one with all the models. All the supermodel sang along to it. Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it was like, what was the other one? Brandy Carlisle or something. Who was the girl?

[Joe Rogan]

Linda Carlisle. It was like she was the Go Gos. Right, Right.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, then this was somebody else.

[Joe Rogan]

It was like Belinda Carlisle was the Go Gos.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but this. This song was about something about your body or something. It was like a. And when you were a kid on the bus, it was just like, God. And that motor was running.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God. Yeah. Getting them bumpy road boners.

[Theo Vaughn]

I would fucking be afraid to get off the bus. I'd have to walk off backwards.

[Joe Rogan]

Carry your books in front of your cat.

[Theo Vaughn]

Those are the days, bro, when your cock was just connected to the Lord, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro. No inflammation, no microplastics. All dick. All American dick ready to rock, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

At a certain point, if you become more microplastics than perfect person or at that point, then. Then you're sort of a.

[Joe Rogan]

At a certain point.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, that's probably also leading us down this road.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Something different.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you think about. We use plastic for everything. Plastic for technology. Like I said, it might not be a bug, it might be a feature.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like this, like, feminization of men. This blurring of genders. What does that lead to? Well, it ultimately leads to those gray aliens with no dick. Dicks. Yeah, the big heads and no dicks.

[Theo Vaughn]

No dick.

[Joe Rogan]

No dick. I got no dick.

[Theo Vaughn]

Hey, where's my dick, Bro? That would be crazy, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like that's where we're headed. If you look at, like what we used to look like.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at, like, muscular cavemen covered with hair. You know, just figuring out stone tools. Tools to like, doughy man sitting in front of a computer, hacking into the stock market, you know, with no muscle at all, you know, on Adderall, no muscle at all. Sitting there. I mean, this is like where we're going.

[Theo Vaughn]

Can we strike? Can. Can. Do you think there's hope for humanity, Joe?

[Joe Rogan]

I think there's hope for the future.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if humanity is involved in the same sense that what we think of as humanity today. I think humanity becomes something different. Just think of this. If just the. Just the autism rate in California, just. I want you to scale that out. If it was 1 in 10,000, you know, X amount of years ago, now it's 1 in 12. When is it a hundred percent? When is it all kids have autism?

[Theo Vaughn]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's clearly moving in that direction and not the other direction. If you go from 10,000, 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 12 over a very brief amount of time, a few decades, something's going on. And don't tell me it's just better diagnosis because that's fucking horseshit. You know, that's horseshit. That's a lot. That's gaslighting to cover up for the pharmaceutical drug complex.

[Theo Vaughn]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

The reality is something's going on and if it continues on that same path, what's to stop it from being all of us? What's to stop it from being all People born in the future are on the spectrum.

[Theo Vaughn]

So we have to stop it then as individuals. And what do we do? We have to like, what are the things we have to start doing to fight for ourselves, join the Amish.

[Perplexity AI]

I don't be super cynical about it, but I'm asking perplexity questions about what you're saying. And the diagnosis have changed, which could possibly be leading to insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

But you got to realize perplexity is also. Ooh, that's true too. Well, that's one of the things in the Somali you daycare scandal of Minnesota, they have a lot of autism centers and they self diagnose kids as autistic.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then they get a ton of money off of that.

[Theo Vaughn]

We had them too. It's called a arcade, dude. Drop those bitches off there with seven rolls of quarters, dude. But let's look at this, Joe, if you don't mind if I read it here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

In the US alone, autism treatment centers represent a multi billion dollar growth sector.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's a little bit of that too. So there's a. I think there's both things are happening, happening. There's more kids being born that are autistic and then there's also people profiting off of autism centers and autism treatment and. But that's always going to be the case with everything. Fill in the blank, whatever. The thing is, there's someone profiting.

[Theo Vaughn]

But Americans don't want this. No, we don't want this. So how do we change it? Well, it's hard to ask you, but I just don't. The thing is like, they've got to

[Joe Rogan]

figure out how to fix people that already have have it right. Because right now it's irreversible. For the most part. There's, they've shown some things that can alleviate symptoms and help people in a way, but you don't bring them all the way back to 100. I don't think I'm talking out of school, but the. If they could, then you could figure out how to correct the problems that already exist. If you can't, it's going to eventually get to that point. If we keep living like we're living, it's going to get to that point where it's 100% of it us. And that sounds crazy for a lot of people because they don't have autism right now.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But if you're dealing with 1 in 12, 1 in 12 is not far from 100%. When you go from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 12, that's nuts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a nutty progression. That's a nutty acceleration of something.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. We're being poisoned.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Vaughn]

But how do we fight back against that? Right. Like, I understand, like, we can try to beat some autism or whatever, or do, like, different, you know, games against him or whatever, but I'm saying, like, how do you. How do we stop this thing that's trying?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if we do, and I don't know if we're supposed to. This is what's fucked up. I think this is the way it happens. It happens. Yeah. This is the way our species changes and goes. And then history will look back and say, well, this was how the shift took place. People started using plastics and they started using chemicals and they started using pesticides and.

[Theo Vaughn]

But we believe that they were telling us the truth. That's why we thought there was an FDA protecting us. We thought that there was an EPA looking out for us.

[Joe Rogan]

It's what you were talking about before with this combination of innovation and then capitalism. So the capitalism gets involved and they just don't. They don't give a fuck about the truth. They just want to make the most amount of money possible. And one of the things they did in this country is they removed all liability to vaccine manufacturers.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So then they ramped up the schedule, do a shit ton more injections than anybody else is getting. So it's just that this sort of happens whenever you allow people to try to make the most money possible possible. And then there's consequences. Well, what are those consequences? Those consequences are we're like losing our gender. We're like. We're becoming feminized and weakened and, like, physically weaker and less fertile for women, less fertile for men. Less babies happening, more miscarriages happening.

[Theo Vaughn]

Which fits in with, honestly, the the media arm of that is Hollywood pushes a lot of these like, agendas that are like trans based and like, you know, white. You know, white redneck is the worst. And you know what I'm saying? Like universal one. Like a mixed.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's not diversity. It's not because diversity is. Everybody's okay. Everybody's okay. The redneck with the trucker hat's cool if he's a nice guy. You know, the Mexican gardener's cool if he's a nice guy. Everybody's cool, no matter who it is. Everybody. That's real diversity. Real diversity isn't like celebrating one particular thing and then denigrating all these other people just by virtue of the color of their skin or how they were born. That is racist. And they don't think it's racist. They'll even call it reverse racism. Well, there's no such thing as reverse racism. It's racism. And these people that say, no, racism is power and influence. Like, no, it's not. No, it's not. It is unjustly looking at someone and making a. Making a judgment call on someone just based on immutable characteristics and just based on. On the color of their skin or where they're from or what their religion is and not valuing people as individuals, Unique individuals that just happen to be from a particular, you know, their origins, their ancestors are from a particular part of the world. So what? Yeah, so what? Let all that go. It's dumb.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, and most people know it's dumb and they feel it's dumb. And I think that that kind of shit's changing. Dude, have you seen country hoodlums on Instagram?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Theo Vaughn]

Let's go. Bring them up.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it?

[Theo Vaughn]

This is like the place that I grew up. Sometimes people are like, theo, what was it like where grew up. And this place is. It's this guy. I think his name is KO. It's this young black man who walks around on this street and he just kind of checks in with the people in the neighborhood, right? Play one of them. Let's see what happens.

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on with these people?

[Theo Vaughn]

Come on, do it.

[TikTok Shop Advertiser]

Do it.

[Joe Rogan]

I got nothing else too hard, right? You hear me? Not nothing. Yeah, wow.

[Theo Vaughn]

Find a different one that's a little more peaceful.

[Joe Rogan]

Calm down, bro.

[Perplexity AI]

Actually, this.

[Joe Rogan]

Calm down.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's Gregory right there.

[Joe Rogan]

You know him?

[Theo Vaughn]

No, but I know him in my heart.

[Joe Rogan]

What's he mad about?

[Theo Vaughn]

He was in like a 12 car pile up. But he's better now. Look, me and that lady have the same Haircut. That lady right there. Dude, he lost his phone. Go on, please.

[Perplexity AI]

He just wants his phone. He wants his phone real bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Why is he walking?

[Theo Vaughn]

He's a.

[Joe Rogan]

You going? I love you. See you later.

[Theo Vaughn]

I love you.

[Perplexity AI]

Give him a hug.

[Joe Rogan]

I love you, too. Bye.

[Theo Vaughn]

Bye.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this is not fun.

[Theo Vaughn]

We'll find a more positive one. Find out.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy can vote. There we go.

[Perplexity AI]

This might get us in trouble.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, don't play a different one. Don't play that. You got to cut that out now. We're gonna get flagged, so.

[Theo Vaughn]

Hold it.

[Perplexity AI]

Holy G. Is that the same guy?

[Theo Vaughn]

What's your favorite thing about all this going on lately?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he's got a wig.

[Theo Vaughn]

What's your favorite thing about all these things that's been going on lately?

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody's together and not fighting or anybody

[Theo Vaughn]

ain't arguing or nothing like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Loving it. Awesome. Loving it.

[Theo Vaughn]

And you. Amen. What you feel like to be the young brother to shut Facebook down, huh? But they have.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no reason to watch that.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, you got to watch. There's a lot of great ones.

[Joe Rogan]

If you. There's a doubt. I doubt that's true. I'm not interested in any of this.

[Theo Vaughn]

Look at him right here. He got a rocket right there.

[Perplexity AI]

Like he's about to drink a shotgun beer.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Shotgun and a beer. Nice. I can get down with that. Yeah. But it looks like a bunch of people with bad genetics who are stuck in a weird part of the world. World that is not growing.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, I. Look, I agree, there's some of that. I'm just saying that this is, like a circle of life that.

[Joe Rogan]

That you enjoy.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Well, they just follow them, and you see their lives. Like, it's like the realest show that I've seen on. On anything in a long time. It's just real. It's like, because when you're poor, dude, everything's just transparent. You can't hide behind hedges or gates. And, like, right. People are fighting in the yard. You smell what the neighbor's cooking, or

[Joe Rogan]

it's like you're never getting anything done.

[Theo Vaughn]

But everything was right there, though. It was, like, the realest thing you could be in.

[Joe Rogan]

This is one of the reasons why I stay off Instagram.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff like that. I don't need that in my thought process.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, we picked two wrong. We picked two of the, like, more not positive videos out of the group. But. But, yeah, dude, just being like that, bro. Like, just Mason people and just.

[Joe Rogan]

How much time do you ever spend off of social media? Do you spend time just where you don't go on for days.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah, not days, but I've. I've been spending less and less and less. I've been really trying to have discernment over my own time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's true. But the real, the real piece comes from full days off, okay? Full days, like we're nothing. You don't get any of it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the real piece.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay, fine.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could do it. But it's like that vape, it's calling you.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to slurp on it, Go slurp on it. I know you want to kill, bro. It's calling you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Quick hit, homie.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nothing. That's what I'm saying.

[Theo Vaughn]

Don't tell the bull.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like Instagram. It's like Instagram.

[Theo Vaughn]

See?

[Joe Rogan]

Same.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but yeah, I'm doing all right.

[Joe Rogan]

Pulls you in. But the thing is like when you have days off, when I take days off, my brain relaxes, I settle. I can still read the news. I'll check out like the New York Times website, see what they're lying about. I'll go to all these different websites, see what the news is, where we're at with stuff. But I don't.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, they wanted to advertise recently. New York Times wanted to advertise.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. What you say?

[Theo Vaughn]

I said no.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, me too.

[Theo Vaughn]

Have you guys been getting like. Technical companies?

[Joe Rogan]

Although I still think New York Times still does excellent journalism sometimes.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like it's depends on whether or not it's something where they can have an ideological bias. You know, if it's just something that they're reporting the facts, it's great. The problem is like the. These corporations, like when Barry Weiss used to work for him and then she had to leave. She's like, they're did just got infected. Infected with these young people that have these ridiculous ideologies and they want to like distort the news.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, if over the past 30 years or something they the news hasn't been, hey, we're poisoning everybody in this country.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Theo Vaughn]

And they have, then I don't want to hear from you guys anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Also like the way they talk about RFKG Jr. The way people like describe his anti vaccine rhetoric, like, you're not listening. What he's saying is everything should adhere to the same sort of state safety standards that we apply to other things in society. And that's not the case. And then there's the problem where you receive a bunch of advertising money from these companies. So you don't criticize them, which is the case with all mainstream TV news. Yeah, all mainstream TV news. You know, like, Megyn Kelly was talking about that. Like, she knew, like, it was an unspoken rule. You are not going to shit on these. These pharmaceutical drug companies, like, they. They're responsible for a big chunk of their advertising revenue.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, now they have Bear Monsanto. That Bear, which was like a. I think it was like a pill company. Right. And then Monsanto, which was like a pharmacy, like a crop company, pesticide company. I'm. I'm hypothesizing. I don't know. Exactly. Yeah. But now they're a group together.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Fun.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not throw Raytheon in there, too? Throw some missiles in there. You guys can't buy out Glock, too. Buy out Winchester.

[Theo Vaughn]

Buy out everything and just forgive us powers that be. We're just poisoned and chatty.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're just chatty.

[Theo Vaughn]

We're just a couple poison guys that are being chatty.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank God. We could still be chatty. Chatty.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know. When does that end?

[Joe Rogan]

Because, like, if it wasn't for the ability to be chatty, who knows how people would be able to talk about things? Because if people weren't free to just, like, actually say what they really think is about what's going on. And instead, if we all had these weird bosses like CNN or the New York Times, whatever. Were you. Maybe a lot of those people are like genuinely good journalists and they want to put a story through, and then the editor gets a hold of it and guts it. That happens, too. Yeah, that happens to the editors. Gut these things. And, you know, they have an agenda. It's like, the news should not have a fucking agenda. It should be the damn news. Like, tell us what the facts are. Don't spin it in any way, shape, or form. And I think you'd be a lot better off because they've, like, lost all credibility.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, that's why.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially television news.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh. And it's sad for the people that, like, I want to go in and in a broadcast journalism and have a career in that and do something. And then they get there and it's not even like a place where they can really exercise.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they can still do it, but they have to do it independently now.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Or do it through something like breaking points, which even though they're not independent and even though they, like, I don't always agree with them, they're saying their actual opinions, which is. What's that's the most important thing. What are you. What are your actual opinions? I could agree with you or disagree with you, but I need to know that you think this and you're saying this because you think this. And then you're going to give me a bunch of reasons why you think this and facts and figures and statistics and show me, you know, and that's the rise of independent journalism. That's why all these independent channels do so well.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's why Candace Owens popping.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, and she's popping, bro. She just keeps going deeper into the crazy world, dude. She goes deep.

[Theo Vaughn]

I got to see the other day. I got to see her. And if she's so funny. Her kids and her husband are so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think she's right about that lady in France with that thing on her? Yeah. Yeah. Or at least used to have that thing.

[Theo Vaughn]

You got that thing on you. She got that Draco on her. I don't know. You know, it's tough to know. It's hard. I've never been good at guessing if somebody has a. Or not.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you can never know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You ever meet Blair White? You're like, there's no way that's a guy.

[Theo Vaughn]

No, never met Blair White.

[Joe Rogan]

She's been on the podcast before. All my security guys, Guys.

[Theo Vaughn]

Hey, buddy. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like you're around a girl.

[Theo Vaughn]

I see you're saying you're seeing that pheromones, dude. Almost brought some cologne in today, man.

[Joe Rogan]

You got pheromones for me?

[Theo Vaughn]

Almost brought.

[Joe Rogan]

There's Blair White. Come on, bro. If you're on an island, bro.

[Theo Vaughn]

Huh?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't have to be Jim Norton to buy into that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Gosh, that's a man.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a transgender woman. Woman. So make what you will. So if she wants to use the woman's room, like, who gives a. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Vaughn]

You can call it wiener if you want. I call it that long. You feel me? That's what they call it in prison, dude. Like, who wants some of this long?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if she's had the

[Theo Vaughn]

operation and I'm joking. Blair, I don't know this person.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice lady.

[Theo Vaughn]

I bet she is. And I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice transgender lady.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm not trying to assume anything. I don't. I don't. Never met her. But I think, yeah, if she wants to swim for that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's exceptions to the rules. What I'm trying to say, it's like some of them. I'm not buying it. You got a beard and you're wearing lipstick.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're in a dress and you want to go to the women's room. Nay.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're playing a different game.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. And it's crazy to think that there people couldn't have. There couldn't be some mental or emotional issues when we're being poisoned over time to get away from our nature teacher. They just took that guy from the Chicago Bulls. He said some. He's like, he believed just in like Christian dating or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you say?

[Theo Vaughn]

Or men and women, Adam and Eve. And they kicked that guy out.

[Joe Rogan]

What? What are you talking about? What'd they kick him out for?

[Perplexity AI]

Waved.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Perplexity AI]

Like conduct detrimental to the team or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, what did I say? Hold up. Okay, let's find out what he said. We need to hear what he said because that sounds nuts. I need to know, like, what the full extent of his expression was.

[Theo Vaughn]

If they made you. If they made you be a woman, would you do it?

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. What do you mean?

[Theo Vaughn]

Just saying. If they said, who would they.

[Joe Rogan]

These people Again, I don't know. It's back to them, whoever they are. They? Yeah, these non binary people.

[Theo Vaughn]

Them. They.

[Joe Rogan]

Them. Zur Z real. So what did he say?

[Perplexity AI]

Live. He said it.

[Joe Rogan]

So he said the world can proclaim lgbtq, right? Ivy to reporters via live Instagram Monday morning. They proclaim Pride Month in the NBA. They proclaim it. They show it to the world. They say, come join us for Pride Month. Celebrate unrighteousness. They proclaim it on billboards. They proclaim in the streets, unrighteousness. That's it. You said unrighteousness. So he's religious. So he's talking about Bible scripture. Two days later, Ivy streamed live again from a car, once again reading Bible scripture, scriptures and speaking extensively on his religious beliefs over the course of a 75 minute stream.

[Theo Vaughn]

This is after he got let go.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, interesting. Sending prayers, Detroit. Oh. One user comments. Okay. On the same video still on Instagram account. On Monday, Ivy, whose mother. I don't know how to say her name, Nelly, the woman's basketball coach at Notre Dame, told another viewer, Catholicism is a false religion. It's not. The true doctrine of Christ does not lead to salvation in Jesus Christ. Christ. So they're upset that he said it's unrighteous to be gay or lgbtq. That's very non specific because that's a lot of different things.

[Theo Vaughn]

And what he said. I saw what he said and I understand, like he had his own views and that's where his thoughts on it. But, like, let the guy have his views. It's like you can push all these agendas, but they don't have like. Like, then push other. Push. Push agendas that are all. Push all the agendas.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, wasn't that one dude was saying that the world's flat. They kept him on.

[Perplexity AI]

Who?

[Theo Vaughn]

John Ribbon? Some guy brought a gun to a strip club and they kept him on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's okay. That's good old fashioned American fun. Bring a gun to a strip club, that's fun. But, you know, saying that lgbtq, like, which one is it? That's unrighteous. Out of that group, all them of

[Perplexity AI]

him, Kyrie Irving, when he was saying that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they kept him on, right?

[Perplexity AI]

Yeah, he's still playing.

[Joe Rogan]

So there you go.

[Perplexity AI]

Different situation. He actually got suspended, but that was like.

[Joe Rogan]

But he didn't get suspended for saying that the world was flat. He got suspended for. Because he didn't want to take the vaccine. Right.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Shout out Kyrie Irving. But I'm just. I'm kind of surprised there's not more.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he bailed on that flat earth stuff, though. I think someone schooled him.

[Theo Vaughn]

He might have bailed on that. Okay. But every now and then, that flatter thing, it would be. It'll be late at night and that should flare up for everybody. Like we might every now, after Avery

[Joe Rogan]

was in here talking about it.

[Theo Vaughn]

When I see a cake, you know, a cake that's under one of those domes, sometimes you'll have that cake. Somebody will have.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the universe.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, I just think at a certain point it all seems very bizarre.

[Joe Rogan]

It is very bizarre. Yeah, very bizarre.

[Theo Vaughn]

What does Jamie think?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he thinks something about the universe.

[Theo Vaughn]

What do you think, Jamie? And just be honest.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of people that think that consciousness creates reality, not that reality is experiencing consciousness, but consciousness is like, woven into reality, is responsible for its very existence. I'm going to do a terrible job of explaining that, but I've watched quite a few videos where these quantum physicists are trying to explain these things. And I have to watch them like three or four times to get into my chimp brain. But I do. I do a fairly good job of absorbing it. And I see what they're trying to, you know. You know, those quantum experiments, like the SLIT experiment, there's like these different experiments where they're. They show that observing things has an effect on it. They act differently when they're being observed than Whether they're not being observed. And it's a very controversial, like, segment of science.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's fascinating.

[Joe Rogan]

Confusing. Quantum. Quantum science is very confusing. And I was watching this lady that was describing this. This relationship between space and time. And I think, you know how, like, particles can exist in different places. And they communicate with different. They can exist and communicate, like, simultaneously in different parts of the world. Like the. They're. It's called quantum entanglement. Like these parks. And the idea is that if you could get to a certain level of sophistication. As far as technology. And your understanding of how the universe works. That everything is entangled. And that there is no distance between objects. That you can actually instantaneously be anywhere. If they could figure out how to harness that. That it wouldn't just be particles at a distance instantaneously communicating. And they exist in. In, you know, like one of the things about, like, superposition. Like a particle can be both still and moving at the same time time. They can exist and then not exist. They go away and then they come back. They don't have any idea what the. Is happening. It's weird.

[Theo Vaughn]

You know, I think I would like to learn more about it. I think I just don't understand it.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody does. That's the thing. It's super confusing. Is it the beginning? The. The. The smallest. Like, whatever the world in the universe is made out of. The smallest measurable aspect of that is essentially mad magic. It's essentially like open air and vibration. Like atoms. They're like empty space. It's all really weird stuff when you get down to it.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it's fascinating and beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's incredible. Look. It makes mountains and makes valley, lakes and oceans.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's just crazy. We're here on this place, right? You know, one of the fun. One of the first things that I ever heard you say that I. That stood. That has been in my mind was like. There was one time you were talking about this years ago. You were talking about. We're on a ball of dirt and water. Traveling through space at this minimum. And nobody's fucking talking about it. You know, And I've always remembered that, like, just like that. What a fascinating thing that we get to be here. And then this is how we behave. Like, not all. Not us and not all of us. We all do in some ways. And. But, like, this is how we behave, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

I think one of the problems is that we don't see space anymore. Anymore.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because of light pollution. I think that's. That's done Something to us that's dulled our understanding of our place in the universe. And that also might be a feature, it might not be a bug. It might be a feature. Because that's how we, instead of being in harmony with nature, we just keep our nose to the grindstone and keep chewing on Adderall and trying to rig the stock market. Yeah, those are just trying to get a new Lambo, baby. You know, I want a Richard Millet watch.

[Theo Vaughn]

I want some cash.

[Joe Rogan]

I want a Rolls Royce spec.

[Theo Vaughn]

The kind with the stars and the ceiling. When you have real stars outside.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Isn't that crazy, dude? You set. You sacrifice it all for stars in the ceiling of your Rolls Royce.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

And you never get to see the stars because you're living in Miami.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know there's too many lights, sex trafficking.

[Joe Rogan]

But meanwhile, if you drive out into the middle of the country where there's no commerce going on at all, and you shut your car off and just lay on the hood, it's magic. Magic out there. Magic. The sky's magic. It's gorgeous. Gorgeous.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's a big, huge, nice thing.

[Joe Rogan]

And you realize, man, oh, my God. We are in space.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

But you never realize that when you just dark outside.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, because we. Yeah, we forget. Like, we're not even, like. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

It's easy to not. It's easy to not pay attention.

[Theo Vaughn]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

There's nothing to see. You look up, it's dark. But you want to go to the club, you look up, it's dark. Let's go eat. You look up, it's dark. I'm going home. Let's go look up at the door. Oh, my girlfriend just called me, so I gotta go pick her up. Bye. You know, you're in your world, right? You're in your world. You're not thinking about space.

[Theo Vaughn]

And to think, dude. And to think that, like, the crazy thing is sometimes if you lay there and look at the stars and stuff, it feels like, bro. And this is real. I'm saying right now, to me, I think I'm saying this, okay? It feels like they're looking back at you a little bit. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe they're conscious. Maybe the universe is conscious. Maybe consciousness exists everywhere.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, you would think if they're all placed there and they're in, you know, these stars are there. It would seem that if we went and put ourselves before them, that it would grant us something, you know, like. I'm not saying like something magical or. But something that we need because most of the. The way that things are set up, it's like everything was kind of set up in perfection, like in our bodies, like the fact that we exist, the fact that the eye is put together and operates the way that it does, the fact that they have like moles and parrots and everything. The fact that it all happens and we kind of neglect that there's these, like, there's these orbs out there in the distance. Maybe they want to hear from us. Maybe they want us to sit there and look at them and think. Maybe they help us.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think we're being visited?

[Theo Vaughn]

Do you?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I think a lot of it's lies too.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do you think the governments, the big governments or.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Theo Vaughn]

What do you mean? Do you think they know who's very. You think they know who's. Do you think they have met. Do you think these upper echelon people have met the visitors?

[Joe Rogan]

Visitors.

[Theo Vaughn]

And there's some other thing going on? Because something's. There's something. It feels like something's gonna happen soon. Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

Perhaps that's possible. Perhaps. But if I was from another planet, like this is. I talked about this special that if, like I went.

[Theo Vaughn]

When.

[Joe Rogan]

When I go fishing, I don't check in to see who the president of the lake is. I just show up and trick those dumb with a fake fish, pull them out by their lips, take a picture of them, drop it off back in the water. Because I don't. They're a bass. They're so below me.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think, like, who's the leader of the bass?

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So the idea that aliens come down here and who's the leader of the people?

[Theo Vaughn]

Good point.

[Joe Rogan]

I highly doubt they give a. If they talk to Trump.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's out there building a ballroom and they're like, leave that guy alone. I'm not interested in him. But maybe they might visit military establishments. If they find a nuclear weapons base, maybe I would. I would go to that. Because they probably know the signals. Signal of nuclear armament. They probably know the signal of these weapons. They probably would visit those places. But would they interact with the people on the ground? Perhaps. Maybe they would. Maybe they would if they could be assured of their safety. Maybe it's possible. But I. I don't think we're alone. I don't think. I think that's silly. I think the idea that we're alone is silly. There's a lot of, like, crazy equations that people have made. Like, well, like the fur. You know what the Fermi parrot paradox is?

[Theo Vaughn]

The Fermi.

[Joe Rogan]

Fermi paradox. Yeah, it was. I think he's an Italian scientist. It's like if there are aliens and the. There's so many stars in the universe. There's so many planets in the universe. Do you know there's more planets in the universe than there have been seconds since the Big Bang?

[Theo Vaughn]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

How do we know it?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I just read it. And I'm just saying it to you like I'm smart.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's fair. I believe. Save.

[Joe Rogan]

You put that into perplexity. I love using AI. I know it's taken over the world, but I don't give a. I've learned so much if you use it correctly. I think it's like everything else. I use it every day. I use it whenever I write. If I write about a subject, I'm like, tell me what. Why you did that? Tell me what this is. You just ask it?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It just gives you instantaneous information.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know. It is pretty fascinating. That's why, like, it used to be for information, you had to go somebody to get it, but now it's like everybody has it.

[Joe Rogan]

Go nowhere, son. And Elon was saying that he doesn't think apps are going to exist in the future. He thinks everything's going to be you and a device communicating with AI. Here it is. Are there more stars in the observable universe than seconds have passed since the Earth was formed? Yes. That statement is likely very true by a large margin. No, no, not. Not the Earth, but the universe.

[Perplexity AI]

I googled it, and that's what this said. That's what actually came up was.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that version. Estimated star. Okay. Okay. Age of the Earth. Yeah. So there's definitely way more planets. But that's stars. You wrote stars. I know. That's what came up. I'm telling you.

[Perplexity AI]

I typed in what you said.

[Joe Rogan]

What did you tell. What did you type in? Are there more planets than there have been seconds since the Big Bang?

[Perplexity AI]

I'll rephrase this.

[Theo Vaughn]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Not more stars. Are there more planets in the universe than there have been seconds since the Big Bang. Not the Earth formed since the Big Bang. This is. This is the nutty one. Because that, like, that's crazy. Yes. By current estimates, there are far more planets in the observable universe than seconds have passed since the Big Bang.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, it's crazy. Thing is, a lot of kids nowadays.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

Wait, say it one more time.

[Joe Rogan]

More planets in the universe than seconds that have passed since the Big Bang.

[Theo Vaughn]

So then I start to think, I Wonder if it's a contest and like God is seeing, like who. What planet can really create the most like love amongst the planet, you know, and get it done.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Do you think that's Howard, the actor?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

He had a very interesting theory and he's an interesting guy. He's a very intelligent guy. Not, he's not educated in a classical sense, but he's a brilliant guy. Right. Not educated about a lot of the things he discusses. But one theory that he had was he thinks that the way planets are formed is there's ejections from stars and over time they coalesce and become planets and this stuff in space becomes planets. And the distance they are from the stars, where it gets to a distance where it's in that Goldilocks zone where life can be established. And then, then he says planets become peopled because it gets to a certain time where people evolve from these planets. And he thinks this is like a natural thing that happens all over the universe, that these planets get peopled. And as they get further and further away from the star, the planet gets less and less habitable. And those, those things, those intelligent creatures on that planet become more and more intelligent and more and more innovative and more and more capable of surviving with out the protection of the Goldilocks Zone. And then they become interstellar and then they develop like their own sustaining environments.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do you think that's what's happening to us?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think that's probably what's going to happen to us.

[Theo Vaughn]

And so if we leave that orbit

[Joe Rogan]

is a part of that, right?

[Theo Vaughn]

If we leave that orbit of safety.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, today, Artemis, they're supposedly flying around the moon. So these are the first people that have gone into deep space since 1972, since the Apollo mission. Wow, that's today that's happening, right? Nobody knows it. That's what's nuts. This is taking, I think, 10 people, four, is it 10 days? How many days are they doing?

[Perplexity AI]

It's 10 days.

[Joe Rogan]

10 days, four people, 10 days. And they're going around the moon and coming back to Earth. No one's done that since 1972, and it's happening today and no one cares. That's kind of weird, right? Yeah, that's kind of weird, right?

[Theo Vaughn]

Whatever that is, is, that's part of us that has really been doctored pretty heavily. The part of us that doesn't even find like a big fascination in that. Like, that's the part of myself that I want to find more of. You know, it's very weird.

[Joe Rogan]

It's Very weird that we've become dull to like, fascinating things.

[Theo Vaughn]

But also, do we. Even some of it, it's like it's. We don't even know if it's real. It's like so much of this. You see these video. It's like that's not even real. They just had like the Iranian protest or something or like the happiness in the street. They were just saying that that was different.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a totally different thing that they were filming. And then there was one that people were saying was older. And then we found out. No, it's not. It's actually those current people protesting in Iran that we were bombing them and they were protest. They were like, in favor of the government. But then you got to know, like, well, how many people are scared to death? And they're doing that because they don't want to get killed killed. Because the government has killed thousands and thousands of people, including, like major public figures to show that no one has any favoritism. Like, they killed this, like championship wrestler, like, incredible wrestler. They killed two different wrestlers that supposedly protested against the government. So who knows?

[Theo Vaughn]

Did you see that? They don't know that there's conflicts of interest about or. No, did you see. Sorry, I'm starting to sentence off wrong. Did you see that? There is some issues about the bullet that killed that guy of Charlie Kirk. I'm sorry, and I didn't mean to say that guy. Yeah, but I wasn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me clarify that, I think, and we'll find out if this is correct. But I see headlines and I see the way people are talking about it, and I don't know if it's accurate. Yeah, because what I think is accurate is what they're saying is, is that the. From the fragments of the bullet, they were unable to determine that it came from that Mauser rifle. I see my issue with it and I'm no expert, but I have shot things. Like, I'm a hunter. I've shot things with rifles. I've shot a lot of rifles. A.30 06 is a big round. That's a big round. Show me an image.

[Theo Vaughn]

Would it hurt if it hits, hit you?

[Joe Rogan]

Experts debunked Tyler Robinson's ballistic claim. Unable to identify is not the same as ruled out, which is exactly what I'm saying. Right. So show me an image of a 30 odd 6 round. 30. 06 rifle round. I want you to look at this. Look at the size of that. Okay. Look at a 30 odd six versus a.308.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a paperweight.

[Joe Rogan]

A 30 odd six is a. It's a big round. You see it in that guy's hand?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Are you serious?

[Joe Rogan]

That's 30 out 6. So this is.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a fat little hand, though. Look at that thing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like my hand. This is. This is. The point is that. That's a big round. That's not a small round. I mean, I don't know. What isn't it compared to? I use a.300 win mag.

[Theo Vaughn]

Look at that on the right there. He just had it. Those cartridges.

[Joe Rogan]

5, 5, 6. Yeah. Is meant for war. 30 odd 6 is meant for hunting. No, I don't think that's accurate.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, that doesn't look real realistic.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what a.36 looks like. Okay. In comparison to a quarter. So you look at it. So the quarter is about that high. It's about that big. That's a big round, dude. That's a round for hunting, like, elk. Like, it's a very common round. Well, she do me a favor and compare 30 odd 6 to 300 win. Mag compared to 300 win mag.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm just scared, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

So 300 win mag I think think is fatter. Let's see the difference. Okay, there it is. 300 win. Mag on the left. Oh, 30 out six is bigger.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, look.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Is that real? I don't know which one's which, though.

[Perplexity AI]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Show me that one far left. Far left, right there. Okay. 300 win mag and 30 odds. So 300 win mag has a little bit more powder in it. See? See how it goes higher, higher up? So it has more charge. It's a bigger round. But my point is that's a big round. So like a third. Oh, 300 win mags. A big round. 30 out 6 is slightly smaller, but it's still. That's a lot of powder in that bad boy. That's a lot of firepower. It's a. That's a. So this is what a lot of people have an issue with is the. The wound that. There was no exit wound. It shot him in, like, the soft tissue of the neck. If it killed you, wouldn't you feel out?

[Theo Vaughn]

Would you feel pain?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it looked like he was dead almost instantly. It looked like he slumped over. I think he was, at the very least unconscious.

[Theo Vaughn]

But it would have left his body, you're saying?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it would have blown a hole out the back. That's the thing. It's like 9 millimeters do that sometimes. Yeah, it just doesn't. It Seems weird that it doesn't have an exit hole. Yeah, it seems weird that you're shooting him in the neck. And the. The image from the back, there's a video of him getting shot from the back. It doesn't. It doesn't leave an exit hole, so it doesn't look like it's that round. There's also the fact that this guy supposedly climbed on the roof with it and then assembled it, which doesn't make sense because if you assemble it, that means you have to take the scope off, put the scope back on. You have to zero the rifle after you do stuff like that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. The guy who had. Who killed or allegedly killed Osama bin Laden. Who's that? Michael? Mike. Who's the.

[Joe Rogan]

I know who you're talking about. The Navy seal.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yep. He was just talking about that. And I only say allegedly because I don't know anything about that. I don't know the specifics, even though I read the freaking book he wrote. But, yeah, that he was saying that to be able to do all that and get off of that roof, it all seems bizarre.

[Joe Rogan]

Not only that, they supposedly disconnected the rifle again, took it apart on the roof, put it in his backpack, jumped off with it, and then reassembled it and left it in the woods.

[Theo Vaughn]

And allegedly was at a Dairy Queen. You see that? Who could shoot someone and go to Dairy Queen?

[Joe Rogan]

It seems weird. And then also, his family's denying that he.

[Theo Vaughn]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

He confessed. Yeah, they were saying that. No, he didn't confess. And we haven't heard his family said 2% of what they're saying about this is correct.

[Theo Vaughn]

Have you. Have you reached out to them, or have they reached out to you?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Well, I don't think they can. I mean, they're probably terrified about their son's future in life. Like they're trying to pin this crime on him. Who knows if he did it or didn't do it. I'm not saying he did it. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but I am saying that the story of him climbing up there with a disassembled gun, assembling it, making that shit shot, climb, disassembling it again, climbing down. If that's the narrative, that sounds like straight horseshit.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And the video of him hopping down does not look like he's a rifle when he's hopping down. So what's happening? How did he get up there? How did no one see it? There's so many things that are fucked up about that story that doesn't it doesn't totally make sense, but a big one to me is the actual bullet hole, the actual damage that that rifle did does look. But here's another thing. Guns do weird things sometimes. Like bullets do weird things and sometimes they don't resp. Maybe it hit. Maybe it fucking center punched his spinal column and it did blow apart and it didn't go out the back. It's possible.

[Theo Vaughn]

Have we seen. Have they get released any information about the autopsy?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Theo Vaughn]

I mean, you would think that.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what the specifics are, but I know a lot of people are very skeptical, which they are about everything these days, which is also part of the problem.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, they have to be skeptical because the news is compromised. The news is owned by, you know, it's not good.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's also. There's a lot of disinformation out there. There's a lot of like covering up stories. There's a lot of weird shit.

[Theo Vaughn]

And. Yes. And then even other places can put out news that, that, that's bad for us. That like. Oh, well, we'll put this out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Theo Vaughn]

Gets disguised as information. But did you see that exploding mike theory? Did you guys talk about that on here?

[Joe Rogan]

I've heard that theory, but I. I don't know if that makes sense. I don't know. I've heard people talk about it, but I hadn't looked into it. It looks like he got shot. I don't know if the microphone's gonna hit you in the neck. Like how. How do you know where the mic's pointing? You're moving around a lot. How do you know when to make it go?

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a good point. They had it like on his shirt at a specific spot. But yeah, you're right. How would you know? But then the place where they sounds

[Joe Rogan]

like a gunshot, though, and there's a delay between the gunshot and the impact in terms of like acoustic reading readings. Like. And I think somebody did an analysis of the distance they believe the shot was taken from based on the sound, you know, if that is the round that they use. 30:06. Based on the sound of the gunshot going off and the amount of time before it impacts them. It's a very small amount of time, but it is measurable. And they think that it might have actually been closer than what they're saying, which is I think a hundred and something yards. I forget what the exact distance was. What was the exact distance? Supposedly, I think it was like 140 yards or something like that. But the weird thing is, like, this whole idea of assembling and disassembling, it doesn't work like that, man.

[Theo Vaughn]

And if the guy's not a professional. Was he a professional?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, he definitely wasn't a professional. But you could get trained. Like, shooting a rifle at 140 yards with a really good scope. If you've shot a bunch of times with a rifle and you can keep your. Together is not. Not that far of a shot. You can make that shot. People can make that shot. He wasn't even wearing a bulletproof vest, even though they did obviously get hit in the neck. But the thing is, like, if that's the narrative, and I don't know if they're still sticking with the story, but that was what they were saying at first, that he disassembled it and reassembled it. Reassembling a gun does not make it accurate. You have to zero a rifle in. And what that involves in. You get to, like, whatever the yardage are that you're trying it out, like 100 yards. Yards. And, you know, you. You squeeze off a trigger, and then you look through the binoculars, or you have a spotter with a scope next to you, and he says, God, he says, six inches high, right? And so then you adjust it. You adjust the scope and that. And then do you get it where it's firing? And you do it on a rest. It takes a few shots, man. So you have a rest so that you're. You're not your rifle. You're not moving the rifle around where it can, you know, be. Human error can be attributed to the miss.

[Theo Vaughn]

And if you're on a hot roof. That was a hot roof, wasn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Most official and media accounts put the shot at roughly 200 yards, with some investigative timeline suggesting a range of about 150 to 200 yards from Kurt. So somewhere between 150 and 200 yards.

[Theo Vaughn]

But, dude, and also being on a hot roof. Have you ever been on a hot roof?

[Joe Rogan]

I have, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's hot.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it wasn't that hot. Well, yeah, it was. It was September. September in Utah. Actually not that hot.

[Theo Vaughn]

It sounds hot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't think it was, because this. This is happening while I was out Elkhart hunting.

[Theo Vaughn]

What town did it happen in?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I'm not sure. It was in Utah, though.

[Theo Vaughn]

I think it was in southern Utah, wasn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but Utah's, you know, Utah's a mountain. It's a mountain town.

[Theo Vaughn]

I mean, my Brother lives in Utah. I, I like Utah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I said, I was in Utah at the time. Yeah, I was hunting in the mountains.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, that's interesting. Testing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't know. Nothing. I started getting all these text messages from people wanting me to comment on things. I was like, what are you talking about? I literally didn't know what was going on. But I had to use the starlink to get online.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I got a Starlink. It's like, it's like the size of a iPad. And you lay it on the ground, you get high speed Internet. It's incredible.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's how I had to like research it, find out what the people are talking about.

[Theo Vaughn]

But did you see the. There was like the facility in Tennessee where they bought the. Whatever the mic thing was. Allegedly, that, that, that place thing got completely obliterated. 16 people died.

[Joe Rogan]

What? What?

[Theo Vaughn]

If you can bring that, bring that.

[Joe Rogan]

Where they made the microphones, where they

[Theo Vaughn]

made the lapel mic that he was wearing. This is like a, this is probably conspiracy thing or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Where'd you get this? Tick tock.

[Theo Vaughn]

This is a conspiracy theory. It's something that's absolutely true.

[Joe Rogan]

I just, I haven't heard that one at all.

[Theo Vaughn]

I think James Lee said, but I'm

[Joe Rogan]

trying to stay away from this. That's why I'm not. That's why. I don't know.

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree. It just, I think it, it. I don't know, it's just a tough.

[Joe Rogan]

So my, my point about the round is it's a large round and it seems like it would have done more damage. And this is not my opinion. This is the opinion of many experts. Yeah, I agree with their opinion. I would. It's not uniquely my opinion. I saw it and I'm like, oh my God, he got shot. Shot. And then I heard it was a 30 odd six and I was like, h. That's interesting. It's a little odd if you had

[Theo Vaughn]

to get shot by what, what would you like to get if you had to get shot?

[Joe Rogan]

You want to get killed, right? You don't want to get.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't shoot me with a.22.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, okay, yeah, I take a 22. But 22 kills people.

[Theo Vaughn]

Where would you take it at?

[Joe Rogan]

People taking the shoulder, I guess. Yeah, dude, no, you don't want to get shot, period.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know, I agree, Joe. But I'm just saying, if you have had to get shot, how do you like. Because here's the cheek.

[Joe Rogan]

22 and tighten up. Take it in the butt cheek.

[Theo Vaughn]

Bang.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Not good.

[Theo Vaughn]

But.

[Joe Rogan]

No. No bullet is good to take. But the point is that seemed like not enough damage for that kind of round. But I might be wrong again. I might be wrong in that bullets.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay. If you're wrong things.

[Joe Rogan]

If it hit the spine and it blew a punch part. But I just feel like you would find a lot of it in there.

[Theo Vaughn]

I. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if there's no exit wound. Like, where's. How come you can't find.

[Theo Vaughn]

The whole thing's bizarre. Dude. Do you see the part, Jamie, that I'm talking about, where that thing blew up? Oh, yeah.

[Perplexity AI]

But I'm trying to find a good explanation.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay. Understood. And there may not be one. Thank you. I'm sorry.

[Perplexity AI]

I know I brought it up yesterday.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, you did? Okay. Yeah. It just like. I don't know. I think I'm just scared and it's like. Yeah. What do you.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Perplexity AI]

I just don't.

[Joe Rogan]

18 people unaccounted for after deadly explosion rocks Tennessee plants plant first responders rushed to accurate energetic systems. That sounds like a CIA operation. A facility on the line of Humphreys and Hickman counties that processes ammunition and explosives. But is this the place that made the microphones?

[Perplexity AI]

So that. That the. The conspiracy says that the microphone was taken to this place to be converted into, like, an explosion.

[Theo Vaughn]

Somebody found an invoice from it. That's what it was. That. That was the piece of information that was going around.

[Joe Rogan]

Who found that? Is that. James Lee found that on that?

[Theo Vaughn]

Not sure.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you can find what James Lee has to say. He's my number one source of information.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what I heard, dude. I had. I got the podcast with him.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you.

[Theo Vaughn]

I got to meet him. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he cool?

[Theo Vaughn]

He's a nice guy, bro. He's fun. Yeah. He's like. He. Well, his. His story's wild because he was working as a consultant for one of the big pharmaceutical companies, like, one of the big ones that we know. Right. And he just couldn't say the name, but he could say it, but he never said it. Right. And then he was in a zoom one time, and they're like, okay, we still have a lot of stockpile from the first vaccination. And that's when he said they started suggesting, allegedly, that people should then get a second vaccination because they had this first. They still had more of the original vaccine. So it was just like a thing. Well, we have more of it. Let's sell it back to him. And that's why.

[Joe Rogan]

And so he started getting, like, very skeptical.

[Theo Vaughn]

So he started really getting skeptical. And then he got out of it, and he said he just wants to, like, expose things that he feels like are not real or true.

[Joe Rogan]

You think he might be safe? Okay. You always got to worry.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

You got to wonder.

[Theo Vaughn]

People thought Sean. People thought Sean Ryan was cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I've heard people say that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Remember? Yeah. That was that thing. But then now people don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't seem like he is.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Unless they're being clever.

[Theo Vaughn]

I just want to be able to have, like, a family and just, like, think that everybody's going to be able to live.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be nice. Yeah. That's the thing about ideologies and tribes. If it wasn't for ideologies and tribes, the idea is that we should all be able to live together. It's like. But the problem is it's not fair the way the world's distributed.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know. You know the statistic about the 1% of the world? $34,000. You make US$34,000. You are in the 1% of the world.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Theo Vaughn]

I know. It's just tough sometimes. You have to pray. That's what I've been trying to do.

[Joe Rogan]

In order for us to get cheap jeans and an iPhone that only cost a thousand bucks, somebody has to get paid squat. Somebody has to get over. Somebody has to work long hours and live in those Foxconn factories where they have nets to keep people from jumping off the roof, you know?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

You know when you're working in a place and there's so many people jumping off the roof, they just put nets up. You got a problem. That's not a fun work environment.

[Theo Vaughn]

Hey, Ron's hitting the nets, guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Hit the net again. You're like, you dumb. Why you keep jumping in the net? I want to see what it feels like. I know it's going to save me, but I still want to jump.

[Theo Vaughn]

Somebody comes back from lunch break, and they just have the net marks on their face and like, ah, you tried it. But, dude, it's just sad, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It is sad. I mean, that's.

[Theo Vaughn]

And we're better than this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Humans, overall are better than this.

[Theo Vaughn]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

So people that are not acting better than this are not. They're not. I mean, I know we all have mistakes, and we all do things that are up. Right. But, like, at a point where you're

[Joe Rogan]

like, we should all be doing better,

[Theo Vaughn]

taking lives, and it's not. If it's not the regular people. I feel like it's the governments, man.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. It is. 100%. Because if it was just people, we'd all figure out how to get along. Unless you think those people are the infidels or those people are the goam, or those people are the Jews or those people or the Arabs or whatever. You decide the other. You decide to other a group of people.

[Theo Vaughn]

People. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Then it becomes a problem because it's us versus them. And then you're back to the same tribal that needs to turn us all trans. That's why we need to lose our gender and lose our primate dominant instincts and all of our territorial instincts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Well, I told you I was going to mail my dick away.

[Joe Rogan]

We're going to be all telepathic with big old heads and little tiny mouths because we're not going to use them anymore because no one's going to have a dick to suck. No one's gonna have a clit to lick. And you communicate with your mind so your mouth gets. Just going to atrophy. And you're going to get all your food through like a. You're gonna have just a straw to eat all your food. They're gonna figure out how to wave and make perfect food where it's just like. You don't have to go to a restaurant, eat chicken or have fish. No, no. Suck on a straw. Get all the nutrients you need in this sludge, in this. The sludge makes. It feels like an orgasm when you take it. That's how you get people to do it. They take it. It lights all their synapses up.

[Theo Vaughn]

Like when you hit that busy boy

[Joe Rogan]

first thing in the morning. Give me a hit of that real quick, my man. Let's go. Because the first hit's the good one. Give me a hit.

[Theo Vaughn]

Ready?

[Perplexity AI]

Right there.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Hit that, Ricky. Oh, yeah,

[Joe Rogan]

yeah. It's that first one. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Tastes good. What's in that one? That's like a professional one.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's coffee.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's delicious. That's a professional one, though.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a trap. Yeah, this one is for outdoors, for outdoors people.

[Joe Rogan]

Outdoorsy, but it doesn't taste outdoorsy. It tastes like fake coffee.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'll leave it over here if you do.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm good. I'll keep it good. No, no, no. I know it's a slippery slope. I'll be pulling into the gas station to get an Escobar later.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, Escobars. They. Those are the ones. Remember? You were like you said you were hiding from yourself at night.

[Joe Rogan]

Get you? Yeah, they, I had to hide them for myself. They get me.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes I'd be ashamed so I take a hit and I'd blow it into my shirt. Would want anybody to know I'm doing it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, but your tight shirt, that right out the armpits, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I wear a hoodie. Just leave put over the top, cover up like a monk.

[Theo Vaughn]

But tell me Joe, like what are some. Like give me some. Some. Like what are some things that. Yeah. That we can do to keep us in a space of giving ourselves the best chance to, to feel human. Because yeah, one day you're going to go to a museum and there's gonna be a smile in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it has to happen on an individual basis.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody has to be human to each other on an individual basis. And sometimes it takes something chaotic like a tragedy like 9, 911 for people to just be cool to each other. You know, I remember I've talked about this before, but post 911 everyone was so connected. Everyone was smiling. People were letting you get on the highway, they're letting you get in their lane. They were waving. Everyone had American flag on their car. We've been attacked. We were united, you know, and it's just sad that it takes something like that for people to realize like this is a gift to be alive in this incredible country at this incredible time in history. But we are under the rule of tyrants, you know, and I'm not saying that's the US government's tyrant or I'm not no individual. But every government that is in control of military, that is involved in these exchanges with other countries, they're run by, by tyrants. Someone's a tyrant. Whether it's Putin or this guy or that guy or whoever is in charge of Iran right now, they keep the people on the street from using the Internet. They kill all the protesters, pastors. That's the problem. The problem is people in power. It's not people. Yeah, people generally are good. Especially when they're not starving. When they're not starving and they're not desperate, they're not being attacked. Most people generally are good.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Obviously dependent upon how you grew up and what you were exposed to when you were young and what kind of horrors did you have to see? Were you in a war torn country? You know, you're in a third world place where the cartels run everything.

[Theo Vaughn]

Did you see those kids in God's with like they had like they were playing doll and they were like. It was like they loaded their doll up on a stretcher like they were heartbreaking, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine like the. Just the trauma. If you lived in that place pre October 7th, it was not fun even back then. It was an open air prison by most accounts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah, they were taking settlers homes. They were just. They'd come and knock into your home and then eventually just take the away.

[Joe Rogan]

Well there's a. There's an attitude that a lot of Israelis have that it's all theirs.

[Perplexity AI]

You know, here's an explanation tfo hat

[Joe Rogan]

time though just exactly. Okay, this is a dude named Mike France.

[Perplexity AI]

Not it wasn't.

[Joe Rogan]

James Lee reporting Mike Franco. Excuse me.

[Perplexity AI]

This is the same stuff I've seen.

[Joe Rogan]

This is October 10, 2025, exactly one month after Kirk's death. A catastrophic explosion destroyed Building 602 at the Accurate Energetic System Systems facility in McKeewen, Tennessee. The blast, estimated to involve 23000 pounds of explosives, killed 16 employees, injured several others and registered as a 1.6 magnitude seismic event. Yo. The US Chemical Safety Board confirmed the site produced cast boosters and miniaturized shape charges for military and industrial use. Conspiracy theorists allege that AES was the manufacturer of the miniature shaped charge charge used in Charlie Kirk's assassination. They point to a 425000 Department of Defense contract awarded to AES in May of 2025 for extra small anti personnel demolition charges possibly used in covert operations. The timing of the explosion just weeks after Charlie Kirk's death has fueled speculation that it was a deliberate cover up to destroy evidence and eliminate the personnel with knowledge of detectives technology. So there's the pager attacks, the Lebanon pager attacks. Here's the my problem with that explanation and I'm not saying that I'm right and they're wrong. My problem is I don't see that thing exploding. Yeah. So that microphone, I don't see it exploding. I don't see fire coming out of it. If you have a gun and the gun goes off six inches from someone's neck like that, you're going to see a charge.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's a great point.

[Joe Rogan]

And if it's a small device without a barrel, something has to propel hell that energy and that's an explosion. And if it explodes, you're going to see it explode. Unless they've developed some sort of way of hiding that.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That I don't know about. But if I'm. But if they're talking about conventional gunpowder and what they use for bullet rounds, that doesn't seem to make sense to me.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But I might be missing something. I don't know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, no, that's actually a great point that you said. Yeah, I agree with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of. Kind of seems like that thing with spark.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean it's close to his neck. It's blowing his neck up. I mean it seems odd that it can do that without fire. Doesn't make sense. But I might be missing something. There might be some new technology that I'm now aware of. Let's find out that. Is there any technology that exists where you could have a projectile come out of a small thing like a microphone that's on someone's neck and not not have fire?

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know. I don't know. It may, but there's also some stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it should make your head hurt. But there's also probably some stuff that we're not hip to.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, for sure, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Theo Vaughn]

They come out with stuff all the time that we'll never see. Probably, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean they have drones that look like bugs. They're like. Looks like a bug. That's a drone. A little itty bitty drone.

[Theo Vaughn]

You're just sitting there spraying raid on something that's watching y' all or whatever at night. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Films. Kristy gnomes husband.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh yeah, boy, he had them murpers on him, huh?

[Joe Rogan]

Did anybody explain what that was about? Was it really just like a Halloween costume?

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what I thought it was probably, but then there's some other ones where he's kind of lipsticking. He actually.

[Joe Rogan]

But it could be he was around for like a party or something like that.

[Theo Vaughn]

He was giving Kevin Spacey in a lot of this. You could feel the Kevin Spacey come doing some of those photos.

[Joe Rogan]

But here's the question is, is that a costume he was wearing for funsies or is this like a dress up thing? This guy's a freak.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's what I thought it was.

[Joe Rogan]

This costume wearing it could be. Because if it is a costume for funsies and then somebody finds it on your laptop, like I gotta explain. How can. We're just around. I was doing Wanda from In Living Color, you know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. I ain't on the gossip, so you ain't heard it from me. I mean, was that Wanda? No. Which one was Wanda?

[Joe Rogan]

I forgot. Forget.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude, how great was that show?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, Amazing show.

[Theo Vaughn]

Did you love it?

[Joe Rogan]

Amazing show, Amazing show. One of the greats, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

We would go in our neighborhood afterwards and me, Larry, Eddie, Wayne King, just guys off of my street, dude. We go out there and impersonate all of the freaking characters, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That show is groundbreaking.

[Perplexity AI]

Hundreds of messages, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then this was some of them, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean, blah, blah, blah? Messages about what? I don't.

[Perplexity AI]

I said there was three models of women. There was three women. Citing hundreds of messages reportedly sent by three women from the sea.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Kristy Gnome's husband.

[Perplexity AI]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

Didn't she just get let go or something?

[Joe Rogan]

Hundreds of messages. Trade yourself. Is a woman who pledges worship like a goddess telling her, you turn me into a girl before asking if he should put on leggings? Oh, okay. But is this. Is this real, right? Or is. So the Post does not confirm the details reported by the Mail. This is what mail? The Daily Mail?

[Perplexity AI]

Yeah, that's originally reported, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me tell you something about the Daily Mail. They just made an article saying that I'm moving out of Austin. Oh, that. I'm fed up with Austin. I'm moving out of Austin. That's not true. And that was published by the Daily Mail.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right. And also, didn't Christy Gnome just go through something where she got let go or something? Is that right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, and not just let go, but involved in a scandal. So some sort of a money scandal.

[Theo Vaughn]

Sometimes this kind of follows that. It's hard to know. But he also looks like. Like, who's that actor right there? He looks like a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

What are those boobs?

[Theo Vaughn]

Those are crazy Will Arnett or something? No, not Will Arnett.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got crazy fake boobs like they're nuts.

[Perplexity AI]

They're just balloons.

[Joe Rogan]

That's all it is.

[Perplexity AI]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So how do we know you got tricked?

[Theo Vaughn]

Easy, bro. Joe just got tricked, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I don't think they're real. I mean, I thought they were like

[Theo Vaughn]

a fake one, but she was thinking about him. Oh, she's jonbene right there. Look at that. That's crazy to me, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

So supposedly there's letters that he was sending to girls that you make me dress up like a girl. But look, I. Again, isn't it crazy that she's involved in some sort of a scandal that's

[Theo Vaughn]

about money, and then this comes out.

[Joe Rogan]

And then this comes out.

[Theo Vaughn]

I agree. It's. You have to start to notice that. And then here's the craziest part. At a certain point, forget about him.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you find out what she was let go for and what. What's involved in it? Because there was some sort of a campaign fund scandal or something that has to do something with money. A Lot of money. Like millions. Millions and millions of dollars. And then all of a sudden, sudden this happens. You got to get a little suspicious in this day and age. Oh yeah.

[Perplexity AI]

It was the. The campaign commercials she got in trouble for because it's like they hired like someone she knew and they're like she was riding a horse through the.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But there's something about the money being inappropriately spent.

[Perplexity AI]

It's like $100 million or something.

[Joe Rogan]

100 million or 28 million.

[Perplexity AI]

I'm trying to find this article.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's not comment until we have the specifics.

[Theo Vaughn]

Joe, do you think that things would be any different with America's relationship in the Middle east right now if the. If the Republicans hadn't won the election? If Trump hadn't won, or do you think it's all the same?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good question.

[Theo Vaughn]

You think it's all the same? Like Geppettos in the distance, like running the strings. And it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the last administration funded the proxy war in Ukraine.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Two hundred and they were 200 firm tied to Kristi Noem secretly got money from $220 million DHC ad contracts.

[Theo Vaughn]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Theo Vaughn]

For 220 me, you could put tits on my husband for 220 million, you know, but you know, and I'm not even a gay guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But now they're painting her out to be a nutcase.

[Theo Vaughn]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because her husband's a freak. So this firm not saying that he's not a freak.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. He might really be in a. Dressing up like a girl. That might all be real. That might be. Let him make me put on leggings. He determined he might have auto guy penophilia. Right. So. But also, that might be coming out because of this. And there's probably a bunch of people that got some money and they're like, let's try to make this ugly.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's scary too, because it's like, who knows?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, we don't know anything about the case, right? We don't know anything about either case. The money missing or his fake tits.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, I never had no fake tits. I mean, I've done some weird here and there.

[Joe Rogan]

Stevo almost got a pair of fake tits.

[Theo Vaughn]

Did he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I agree.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's too much.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's in that, you know, the constant perpetual state of having to one up himself doing something more and more ridiculous every time.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do. What do you think is going to happen? You think we're going to be okay?

[Joe Rogan]

I hope so. Of course I Don't know.

[Theo Vaughn]

Do you think about it?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm confused. I can't believe we went to this war. When we started bombing Iran, I was like, this can't be true.

[Theo Vaughn]

And what about Lebanon?

[Joe Rogan]

Now I know Israel's invaded Lebanon. Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it's like, just stop. Like, what do you need?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're trying to. Supposedly they're trying to stop the terrorists.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's crazy though, if you're the terrorist, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you want to stop them, stand in front of the mirror and start there. But also, what do I know?

[Joe Rogan]

What do you know?

[Theo Vaughn]

You're right, I don't. But it's all just like, there's got to be some way that we're better than this.

[Perplexity AI]

They're saying there's like, if this was found out by the story about Christine Ohms husband was found out by like a newspaper online, allegedly. And that if, if they can find this out, then obviously hostile intelligence services, according to the CIA officer Mark Polymoropoulos knows this stuff as well.

[Joe Rogan]

If a media organization find this out, you can assume that a high degree of confidence at a hostile intelligence service knows this as well. Added former CIA officer Mark Polymeropoulos, that's probably damaging information. Like this can be a tantalizing lead for a hostile intelligence source. They approach the person and say, if you work with us, we won't expose this and if you don't, we will.

[Perplexity AI]

So yeah, he's posting these online and someone came across them is what it sounds like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he might be a freak.

[Theo Vaughn]

Who cares? Let him cook.

[Joe Rogan]

I think a lot of those people that are involved in government are freaks. And I bet their husbands and, and wives are freaks too. They're weirdos. They want to be in power.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I want to wear leggings.

[Theo Vaughn]

It's all crazy. We just have to focus on the things that we can. Like Matt McCusker, he started a garden. It's like 10 to the garden that you can have. You know, he grows blueberries and he grows.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the way to do it.

[Theo Vaughn]

He grew one. He actually only he grew one blueberry. His first.

[Joe Rogan]

During the congressional hearings, Kristi Noem was probed about accusations of conducting a taxpayer funded offense affair with her former aide Corey Lewandowski, who has since left the Department of Homeland Security.

[Theo Vaughn]

Corey Lewandowski. Dude, I was in a fantasy football league with that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

For real?

[Theo Vaughn]

Yes. Pull him up again.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no kidding. Let me see a photo of him.

[Theo Vaughn]

Mother effer.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, she's pretty Hot.

[Theo Vaughn]

See Lou, bro. Oh, this different dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, seems like a different dude. So that guy was the guy who ain't banging her. Her. Okay. Supposedly. Allegedly. Who knows? But again, when there's a. A bunch of money that's missing and there's a scandal, hundreds of millions of dollars. Weird. Starts getting tossed around. That throw you house of cards, baby. Go rewatch it. That's. I think that's probably the most accurate depiction of how the government works.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. Kevin Space is a fascinating guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, everybody in that show was great. It was just like a really well made show.

[Theo Vaughn]

Go. Yeah, that show was fascinating. He did. He did.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, dog. We gotta wrap this up soon, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

That's fine with me. I thought you were. I thought you. I was staying here because you're here.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I love you.

[Theo Vaughn]

I love you.

[Joe Rogan]

I have things I gotta do. Are you gonna be around tonight? Are you going. Going back?

[Theo Vaughn]

I might stop by.

[Joe Rogan]

Bus boys in theaters April 17th. So that's like two weeks from now. Let's go. Two weeks in a few days. Yeah, let's go.

[Theo Vaughn]

Thank you for letting. Come and talk about it.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm excited for.

[Theo Vaughn]

For you and just to see you. Yeah, I'm excited too, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I hope it kills it.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah. I just think.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure it's going to be really funny with you and David Spade.

[Theo Vaughn]

We tried our. We did a good job.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure, dude.

[Theo Vaughn]

He's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm sure it's going to be awesome.

[Theo Vaughn]

But thank you for everything, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

My pleasure.

[Theo Vaughn]

And it's good to see you and

[Joe Rogan]

always good to see you.

[Theo Vaughn]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Come by tonight. Let's hang out.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'll come by. I have a show tonight, but I'll come by.

[Joe Rogan]

Where you at?

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm at this moody theater. I'm practicing for my special, so I got to get ready.

[Joe Rogan]

What time are you at?

[Theo Vaughn]

The Moody seven.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Come by. We'll be there till. I'm going to be. And I'll be there for a while.

[Theo Vaughn]

Okay. I'll come by and say hey.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. All right, beautiful.

[Theo Vaughn]

Good to see you, man. Jamie, thank you so much.

[Joe Rogan]

Bus Boys, April 17th. Go watch it. We love you guys. Bye.