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Ryan Bingham
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Joe Rogan
What's happening, man? Good to see you.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Pull up to that microphone, sir.
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Ryan Bingham
All right.
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Joe Rogan
You were great at that McConaughey thing last year. I really enjoyed that. That was my first time seeing you perform live. It's. It was really cool. It was very cool. You're so relaxed up there, man. So it was like you brought everybody into a nice, like, comfortable, chill vibe. It was cool.
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Ryan Bingham
I'm glad you guys felt. Felt that way. Sometimes it's. It takes me a minute to get into the groove, you know?
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, but it felt like that, you know, it felt like you were in it. Like it brought us. Brought the whole crowd into it, too. That. That event that he does, the two events, the one, the singer songwriter one, and then the other one with the auction and everything. They're so cool. Such good events.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, they're good people too. You know, I really grown to just appreciate the community around here in Austin, in the hill country area and all of that stuff. I definitely wouldn't have the career, I don't think, if it wouldn't have been for the community around here. Just supporting songwriters and music and the way that they do, it's pretty incredible. You know, when they get behind anything, it's just like. It just feels so good to see that many people come together and, you know, have that support.
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Joe Rogan
It's a really good place, man. Austin is a really good community. It really is a very positive place in a lot of ways.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
I mean, nothing's perfect. There's no perfect places, but it's. It's really good.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
I like it so much better than when I was living in California. Just feels like real people just.
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Ryan Bingham
I miss it, man. I mean, I'm. I'm. I'm in the process of moving back to. To Texas as well.
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Joe Rogan
Where are you at right now?
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Ryan Bingham
Outside of Dallas, Texas, out by Tyler.
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Joe Rogan
Okay.
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Ryan Bingham
I've been in Topanga Canyon in la.
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Joe Rogan
Oh.
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Ryan Bingham
You know, so I've been in the
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Joe Rogan
middle of it and doing that Hollywood thing.
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Ryan Bingham
Every time I get across the state line, it's just like that weight comes off and you're saying, ah, man, I'm home, you know, so. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Did you had the coolest fucking character on Yellowstone? It must be so fun to play.
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Ryan Bingham
It was so much fun, man. I had to. I laugh. I always talk about it. I felt like I had, like, one of the easiest jobs there, you know, it's because my. The Character was kind of a smaller role. You know, Most of the time, I'd work like one or two days a week, and then the rest of the time, I'd just be like, fly fishing and get lost and just disappear out there. Yeah, it was awesome.
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Joe Rogan
God, Montana's awesome. That show made so many people move out there, though.
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Ryan Bingham
I know you're take your license plate off your car before you go, right?
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Joe Rogan
You better not have a California plate. They will fucking write things on your
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Ryan Bingham
hood, run you off the road.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, they get upset. It's very interesting. They're very proud to be from Montana and they want to keep it to themselves. Like, let it go, motherfucker. We're all Americans. All right? If you got a good spot, you should be happy that people from California figure it out. Yeah, don't be a dick. Like, you're American. You're not. It's not the United States of Montana. Shut the up.
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Ryan Bingham
I guess it's kind of anywhere, right?
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Joe Rogan
You know, not that much here. Yeah, here's pretty inviting. I've never had that experience here. Yeah, not really.
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Ryan Bingham
Texas is a pretty friendly place. Yeah. Yeah. And there's so many different walks of life that have been here for so long. You know, I think up. Yeah, and Montana and stuff. Man, if you were tough enough to survive those winters and stake a claim up there back in the day, you had to fight for it. And they're still fighting for it now.
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Joe Rogan
You know, that does make sense. I mean, that's also one of the things that's highlighted by the whole series, all the different Yellowstone series, the older ones with Harrison Ford and, you know, they really do explain in a lot. I mean, it's kind of a. A cool chunk of history to see, like, how this all got started. How the kind of people that had to survive out there when, you know, all you got is a fireplace. Yeah, that's it. You got a fireplace.
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Ryan Bingham
I love all those mountain men stories. You know, Jim Bridger and all that stuff. It's just like. Man. And there is something you get up there in those mountains that get into. Gets in mountains, get into your bones. It gets into your blood. And it's a. It's a different thing. And I. It's a spiritual place.
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Joe Rogan
It is. And it's also. It's like the most potent art. Like, it's. It's nature's art. And you don't think of it as art, but. God, it's so beautiful. It's like stunt. Like sometimes when you're up there, you just have to stop and look like, God, this is gorgeous.
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Ryan Bingham
It's overwhelming if you have.
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Joe Rogan
It gives you a feeling. There's like, it's a. Almost like a drug that hits you because of the beauty of it all. Like, you take it in with the blue sky. You see the clouds in the mountain, and maybe there's a lake below you in the canyon. You're like, God, this is gorgeous. It's like you're. You feel it in your, your DNA, man. It's like your, your body knows, like, this is a fertile, beautiful place that's filled with life. And this should excite you. So all your natural human reward instincts are all like, this is the place I should be.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Like, look at the sky, look at the lake, look at the mountains. This is fertile. This is like life giving.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Yeah. Several years ago, I went to a guide school up there. Like a hunting guide school?
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Joe Rogan
Hunting guide.
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Ryan Bingham
And it was a whole pack squad part of it. I grew up cowboying and ranching, but I've never really been up there in those mountains like that. And my dad have always fantasized about that. We'd talk, you know, one day we're gonna go on like a pack trip up in Montana. And you know, we'd watch all those movies like Lonesome Dove and all of that stuff. So it was always just kind of a daydream. And years ago I was just kind of overwhelmed with music stuff and all that and didn't know what I was gonna do. And I ended up, I just wanted to go for a trip, you know, maybe go on a pack trip. And I started looking up places and I found this place called Royal Tyne Outfitters. And they're like, yeah, you know, we come up, you can take, take you on a pack trip, but we also have like this six week school, you know, that you can train to be a guide. It's all mule pack and all kinds of stuff, you know. And so I was like, man, I'm gonna sign up for that, you know. And it was life changing. There's only six of us in the class and, you know, spent weeks back in the back country packing mules and horses.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, wow.
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Ryan Bingham
We just tie a rope between two trees with a tarp for sleeping at night and always post up a couple of guys to watch over the horses at night. And I remember one morning I woke up and it was in June, you know, but we were way back in there and I woke up and the snow was coming down and I just kind of raised my head up and I was looking out at the horses and the snow was just falling down on their backs. And there was that moment in me I was like, I don't know if I'm ever going back, you know, I was like, this is right where, this is where, where I need to be. Right. It was, it was tough to come back to civilization after that.
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Joe Rogan
I think we're doing something with ourselves, to ourselves, with civilization that we can't really fully appreciate because we're wrapped in it. And it's not until you get to nature where all that weight just gets lifted off of you and you feel more normal and you're like, oh, this is where people are supposed to be.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You know, no phones, there's no nothing, no distractions. And it's just like you, all your senses heighten your eyesight, your hearing, your sense of smell, like all of that stuff. And you know, I remember going into it, you know, I didn't know what to expect really. I've done some camping and things like that and grew up ranching and all that, but this was a way different deal. And I remember I just had this like backpack full of gear, you know, and by the time I got out of there, like, I just felt like all I needed was a pair of scissors and some way to start some fire, you know, that was about it.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, I follow this one dude, I'm trying to remember his name. Clay. Let me, let me pull it up because I really enjoy his, his videos. But this dude, he lives, I believe he lives in Alaska, but he does a lot of trips in America, like all over America in the lower 48. And he goes and like lives by himself in some kind of harsh environment. Like he's done it in the swamps. Clays, that's it.
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Ryan Bingham
Does he like take his kid out there?
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Joe Rogan
If he has, he's taking his dog. But a lot of times he just goes entirely by himself. And they're very, very interesting. Like, he starts his own fire. He'll figure out how to get food. He figures out how to purify water. He's taken salt water and made his own thing that kind of distills it into fresh water and removes the salt, like very slowly by using a piece of bamboo and fire and boiling the water in the bamboo so that like the water evaporates and then drips down. And it doesn't have salt in it apparently.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I love that stuff.
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Joe Rogan
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Ryan Bingham
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Joe Rogan
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Ryan Bingham
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Ryan Bingham
I love it just to have those skills, just to know how to do it, like whether you'll ever need it or not. Just to know how to do that. It's just so cool. I remember in that guide school there's a lot of different parts to it, which was so cool. We did a whole week of backcountry wilderness first aid guy had a paramedic come in and teach us all this stuff. And then there was a whole week of just like leather work. There was a whole week of shoeing horses. There was fly fishing and entomology and all these just kind of little skills. But one thing that really stuck with me was a fire building kind of drill. When we started, when it was kind of right when we first got there and it was pretty wet and it had been snowing, and there's only six of us, you know, and we're guys from kind of all over the country. And I grew up in New Mexico and West Texas, where it's pretty dry, you know, and you kind of Build a fire. You can kind of just take some little small twigs and get a little fire going, you know? And so he goes, all right, you got two minutes to build a fire, and you need to have, you know, like, a flame to be 3 or 4ft high. And, man, I'm running around grabbing, like, little sticks and twigs, and I'm just. We have a lighter too. You know, I'm just struggling. It's just smoking and they can't get going. I look over and there's a kid from Alaska in the class, and he just runs over to this big dead pine tree and just breaks off the biggest branch of dead, you know, pine needles and takes his lighter and just within, like, five seconds has this massive fire going. I was like, okay, that's how you do that, you know? And it was so just the littlest things, you know, to have that knowledge, you know. And part of it was, you know, he was explaining to us, the instructor, he's like, yeah, you know, if you're out here with. You're guiding somebody that's hunting, maybe he's an elderly guy, or somebody gets hurt, and you get caught back in the mountains and it's snowing, it's like, you better get a fire going and keep them warm real quick, you know, so there was always a, you know, a reason and a purpose behind it, which was really cool. And I'll never. Those are some. Some of the things I'll never forget.
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Joe Rogan
Did they teach you how to start fires with, like, a piece of metal and, like, flint? Like, you know, what is that, a striking rod?
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, we did flint stuff and with, like, the pitch wood from some of the old pine trees, you know, you can find that pitch wood. And we did some bow and wood drill stuff. Not a whole lot.
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Joe Rogan
That chin is hard.
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Ryan Bingham
It was.
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Joe Rogan
That's hard.
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Ryan Bingham
So hard.
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Joe Rogan
I did that in the Boy Scouts, and it took, like, hours to start a fire. Yeah, you have to keep sawing. And if you're doing it with your hand, you're gonna blow your hands up.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Get your technique down.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
You know, gotta have the stick on
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Joe Rogan
the top and the. The stick that goes all the way, the base thing. And you cut a little hole in the base thing so that, like, all the little embers can fall into your kindling. And you gotta saw the. Out of that.
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Ryan Bingham
Imagine trying to do that, you know, in the snow or. Yeah, it's wet, right? It's like, man, it's.
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Joe Rogan
That's just very, very unlikely. You know what's really good for kindling Fritos.
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Ryan Bingham
Really?
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
It's kind of shocking.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
We were in Alaska and it was raining all the time. And there was one day where it stopped. I was with my friend Steve Rinella took me up there.
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Ryan Bingham
Okay.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. My friend Brian Callan and Ryan Callahan, all these guys. So we went up there and when we got one day, like a 10 hour stretch where it was not raining, we're like, we got to start a fucking fire.
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Ryan Bingham
Because it was.
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Joe Rogan
It was raining every day for like five days in a row, and we couldn't find any deer. It was a nightmare. It was tough hunting.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So we. This one day and we were trying to figure out things to light on fire because everything's soaking wet. And so we got some pieces of wood from like underneath the bottom of trees and shit. And dead trees that were covered by other things were kind of sort of a little bit dry. And we used Fritos and Fritos. When you light them, man, it's crazy how much oil is in those things. Yeah, they just. And they stay lit for a long time. Like a candle.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And so we started like piling little things and we. We got that fire. I was like the happiest I've ever been in my life.
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Ryan Bingham
I bet. Soaking away just cannot get. Once you get that kind of cold too, it's just like there's almost.
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Joe Rogan
You know, it wasn't that bad cold wise. It was like in the 50s or 60s. Yeah. It was just the wetness. The wetness was impossible to get away from. I thought once you get in your tent, you'd be dry. You get in your sleeping bag, you'd be dry. But I had to take a piss in the middle of the night and I had to turn on my headlamp in the tent. And when I did, it was all just mist.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Everywhere it was condensation. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm never gonna be dry. I had to just accept, like, there's no drying here.
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Ryan Bingham
How long. How long were you guys back in there?
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Joe Rogan
About six days. We had. We had to leave. We were supposed to be there for seven, but we had to leave on the sixth day because the storm was coming in. I was like, I could get stuck because you can get stuck up there.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
We were on. I guess Prince Edwards is. The island is.
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Ryan Bingham
So.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. You get stuck up there. And I was like, I got to get back home. I got to work.
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Ryan Bingham
Did y' all get fly in, like on a.
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Joe Rogan
On a puddle jumper bush plane? Yeah. We landed in the pond to get
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Ryan Bingham
you in and out of there, huh?
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, exactly. And you could drink right out of the pond. Like, the pond was all rainwater, and there's no. It was too high for beavers, so you didn't have to worry about Jardia or anything in the water. You could just drink right out of the pond. Like, this is crazy.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, that's the best. I've never been. I've been to Alaska, only like, in. In the winter on a, like, skiing thing. But I've always wanted to go up there to hunt and fish. And the people are extraordinary.
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Joe Rogan
Those are rugged people. Like, when I did a. A gig with my friend Ari in Anchorage, and one of the things. It was weird because you get there, it's 11pm it's bright out. Like, this is weird. One of the things that we talked about after was, like, those people were cool. Like, there's. There's something about living up there, like, where you could die going outside, like, a good six months out of the year. There's bears everywhere. If you. You look sideways at a moose, it'll stomp you to death in a fucking Walmart parking lot.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Like, it's.
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Ryan Bingham
You better have your shit together.
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Joe Rogan
You better have your shit together. There's bald eagles everywhere. The salmon are as big as your thigh. I mean, the people there are. They work together. There's, like. They're very friendly, but they're very rugged. But they're also, like, they realize you need each other. Like, there's a sense of, like, community and coolness. Yeah, you need each other. If your fucking car breaks down the side of the road, you could die. Like, someone's not gonna let you die. They're gonna pull over in California. They're like, someone will get them. They just keep driving. So you just lose this sense of community.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You're not calling. You're not. That's. That's who you're calling for help in times of need is your neighbor.
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Joe Rogan
Exactly.
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Ryan Bingham
Even if, like, the bridge washes out, it's like, here comes your neighbor with the backhoe and the tractor, and, like, you just do it yourselves.
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Joe Rogan
And that makes a cool friendship. When your friend helps you out or when you help your friend out.
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Ryan Bingham
That's what I miss about living in Texas, too. You know, it's just like. Just some of the small things or whatever. Like, even up at my place in Topanga, you know, you want to build some fence or whatever. Like, I do. I feel lucky. I've got a couple of really good friends up there, neighbors that, you know, love to come, you know, work with their hands and. Or you get their hands dirty and we'll build stuff and. But like, man, in Texas, you want to like weld something or you need something with a tractor, some heavy equipment thing, you know, like, you're not getting that done in California, right? It's going to cost you a fortune to, you know, get someone with a skid steer up to your house to help you move some dirt around, you know. But here in Texas, it's like, oh, man, just call Frank down the road. He's got one.
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Joe Rogan
There's people that have a long tradition of doing stuff, you know, it's like, it's a real place.
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Ryan Bingham
I grew up like that too, you know. You know, people cutting hay and stuff like that, especially when you're young. Like, man, we would go stack hay for everybody around, you know. It's like that was the summer job, you know, it's like, let's just go.
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Joe Rogan
That makes a strong person. People that throw hay around, those are strong motherfu. Like that term, like farmer strength. That shit's real.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, you better say. I was always a little guy too, so I had to use some. Learn how to use leverage real quick. Roll those bells up on your knee. One of the last times I did that, I remember, is I was going to school in Stephenville, Texas, and had a good friend over in Glen Rose, and it was the middle of July and. And he's an older man and asked us to come help him stack hay in his barn. And it was, you know, we're stacking it in the barn, you know, and it's just like, you're inside the barn, it's just hot. It could have been 110 degrees in there, you know, and we're talking hundreds of bales of hay. And it was just all we could do. And of course, we're hungover and we're sitting in college, we're stacking hay. And I was like, I think. I think this is my last hay hauling job right now.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, those jobs, those are good for letting you know that this is not the life you want. Yeah, like, get a good rugged manual labor job. It'll knock some sense.
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Ryan Bingham
I got the guitar, man. I. I learned pretty quick that the guitar felt a lot better in my hands in that shovel, dude.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, I know that feeling. I. I spent one summer doing insulation in an attic. It was all that fiberglass. I had it in all my skin. Because you're sweating.
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Ryan Bingham
Your eyes.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, you're sweating because it's hot summer, so it's getting into your pores, and you're always itchy. You feel like it's on you all the. Like, it's got to be terrible to be breeding that in.
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Ryan Bingham
Oh, the worst. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And I don't even think we were using equipment. I don't think we used any safety equipment.
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Ryan Bingham
Heck, no. He didn't have a mask on or anything.
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Joe Rogan
I don't believe so. I think we just installed it. Just unrolled that and stuffed it into the. Into the rafters using paint with lead in it. And then the back. Then the gasoline had lead, too.
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Ryan Bingham
So drinking out of the water hose, right?
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Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it makes a resilient person to drink out of water hose.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, you get tougher die.
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Joe Rogan
You get extra minerals from the copper on the faucet. Yeah, it's. Those jobs are really important, like, for a young person to figure out what they don't want to do. Teaches your work ethic. Teaches you, like, hey, like, this is. You can get some satisfaction out of a hard day's work and a hard week. Like, you did it. You put it in, you feel good about yourself. You know, it was difficult to do. But don't. Don't keep doing that.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Figure out a way out of this.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
You gotta understand that. You understand it. You gotta feel for it. You know what hard labor is. But don't ruin your life.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I feel real grateful. My granddad was always a real hard worker, and even when I was 12 and 13, you know, in the summers or I spent a lot of time living with them, and he always had a job lined up for me. You know, it's like, hey, you're gonna go over here, and we're gonna mow so and so's lawn this morning, and we're gonna go over here, we're gonna send you out to Ken's, and you're gonna build some fence this weekend and. Always enjoyed it, though. I enjoyed those guys I was around. And, you know, I'd work all day, and then we'd sit around and they'd drink beer in the afternoon, tell me stories and, you know, and even now, like, on my own place, you know, it's like, I don't want to be building somebody else's fence, but I'm glad I know how to build my own or things like that and have those skills. I still love working around the house and doing little and things like that. I meet a lot of younger guys and kids that sometimes I. I guess I have an expectation that they know how to do that kind of stuff, you know. Right. They want to come over to the house and help us in projects and stuff. And I'm like, oh yeah, cool. We'll just, you know, I already dug those holes and set up a string line and we'll set these posts. And they're like, okay. And then after about a half hour, I look over, I'm there just kind of looking at the ground. I'm like, what are we doing here? You know? They're like, I don't have a clue what you want me to do.
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Joe Rogan
That's hilarious.
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Ryan Bingham
That's hilarious. But yeah, it's wild. It's changed, man. Kids ain't out there mowing lawns no more, that's for sure.
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Joe Rogan
No, well, there's something about that kind of work, like putting in fences and all the stuff that you see the cowboys doing on Yellowstone and then hanging out together afterwards that's so like viscerally appealing to people. There's something about watching that life. Like it's. You would say it's like a simple, difficult life. Maybe I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, it's like it's so appealing. Like so many people wanted to be cowboys after they watched your show.
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Ryan Bingham
I think it some goes to like you're talking about that guy living off the land and stuff like that. It's just, you know, something that's been ingrained in us over thousands of years of survival. And like we have, we all have that in us still today. And we just unfortunately losing touch with it because we're not doing it as much. And so when you get the opportunity to even just go plant a garden or something like that, I think that's, it's in us, you know, and it's a. It wakes up something within that's just been a little bit dormant for a while, you know.
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Joe Rogan
And I think you're right, you know, I think that's exactly what it is. I think it is like it's in our memory, like the memory of our genes that this is like a pleasing life. This is a satisfying life.
- [23:42]
Ryan Bingham
It's like that mama bear energy, you know, kids come. It's just like I was like, yeah, oh man, you know? Yeah, yeah, it's there, you know, and it's just like I realized that having kids, it's just like, oh man, it wakes something up within you that's always been there that you were born to have, you know, that survival instinct and all of those things. And I still that's what I still love about it. Like, even at home, being on the road and being in big cities all the time, and you're just surrounded with information and screens, man, as soon as I get home or get outside or get into nature, it just. It wakes that stuff back up in me, and it. I feel like it puts that spark back in my eye, you know? Yeah, I try to stay in tune with that as much as I can.
- [24:28]
Joe Rogan
Well, it's clearly so appealing to people that don't experience it. I mean, how many people that are watching shows like Yellowstone never go into those areas, but they watch it like, oh, I want to live like that.
- [24:40]
Ryan Bingham
We see the, like, prices of horses. It just skyrocketed for, like, five grand, and now it's like 50. 50,000 bucks for. For a trail horse, you know, which is cool. You know, I hope people are enjoying that and getting something out, Getting something out of it. I. You know, I still. I mean, I'm not running a bunch of cows these days, but I keep a few horses around, and especially for the kids, you know, and whether they want anything to do with them or not, I. We enjoy so much in the afternoons, you go up and feed them some carrots or brushing their tails and just being around that energy. My youngest little boy, he's just got. He's got some kind of mojo with animals. And I've got this old mule, and her name's Honey, and she's got these big ears, and she's massive. I remember when he was, like, three or four, I'd be looking around for him in the backyard, and I'd look out in the pasture, and he'd be out there with that mule, and she'd have her head down, and he's just out there petting her ears, you know, and just, like, his connection with those animals. And then, you know, getting kids up to the house or that are from the city that aren't around those animals their first time around horses or maybe even dogs and stuff like that. And you can see they're. They're so anxious and, you know, not maybe so scared, but this is nervous. You know, it's just big animals and stuff, and within, like, 20 minutes of just sitting them on their back or petting them, and then you see them relax, and you see that energy kind of slow down, and I just. I love that. You know, I think it's so magical to watch. And.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's another relationship that's, like, primal, the relationship between people and horses. They do that with addicts. They do equine therapy where they had just have like, people that are. They have like, heavy anxiety and depression. They have them hang out with horses.
- [26:20]
Ryan Bingham
I think even me, I still do. I mean, I have get depressed and stuff like that every now and then. And I love being around them. I can walk out to the barn and just. Just being around them and laying weird. Relax. And it's just like, ah, yeah. All right, here we go.
- [26:34]
Joe Rogan
Just touching their head makes you feel better. Like, hey, yeah, how are you, honey? What's happening?
- [26:39]
Ryan Bingham
They look at me.
- [26:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [26:41]
Ryan Bingham
Connect. Yeah. I get eye contact with them. I think it's looking into your soul.
- [26:45]
Joe Rogan
An ancient thing. I mean, they helped us survive. We. And, you know, and we took care of them. It's like this ancient relationship. And then when you're around them, that connection, like, immediately rebonds re establishes. I think it's in our DNA. I mean, just think about, like, how many generations of humans had to survive on horseback before anybody invented anything else. It's like if you wanted to travel faster than you can run, it had to be a horse.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So that was probably thousands and thousands and thousands of years just cooked into our DNA. And when you're around him, it's like, oh, my friend. This is my friend.
- [27:20]
Ryan Bingham
It's waking it back up. Yeah, it's there. Yeah.
- [27:23]
Joe Rogan
It's weird that that stuff is in you. That nature stuff is in you. I mean, that's why we like watching shows like this Clay guy.
- [27:30]
Ryan Bingham
I love that too. I love that Steve Rinella show, that Meat Eater. I like watching that with my kids. And aren't you friends with Remy Warren?
- [27:39]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, real good friends.
- [27:40]
Ryan Bingham
He ended up being my neighbor when I was in Montana working on Yellowstone.
- [27:43]
Joe Rogan
Oh, really?
- [27:44]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [27:44]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
- [27:45]
Ryan Bingham
And you know what I really liked up there was where they filmed the show. You know, I was kind of way out there, southwestern Montana. And a lot of folks that were working on the show would go back to Missoula in the cities, but I was like, man, I want to go get as far away out there as I can. And so I kind of went down this West Fork area that's on the. Right on the edge of the most massive wilderness areas out there that goes into Idaho. And the road I was on, you know, it was paved dirt. Then it dead ended and it turned into a dirt road. And then I got this cabin that was just way back up, and there was no wifi, no nothing, you know, and I just. Just disappeared out there and ended up meeting some folks And Remy was just right down the road going towards Sula. And so I got the chance to just go over there and hang out with him and go stomp around the mountains with him. Such a cool dude.
- [28:35]
Joe Rogan
It's like, Remy's the best.
- [28:37]
Ryan Bingham
Like, you're talking about going to Alaska. I love going into those places. But you want somebody like that with you when you go.
- [28:42]
Joe Rogan
For sure. Yeah, yeah, he knows how to get around. Yeah. And he used to have a great show. Well, first of all, he had solo hunter, where he'd go and film everything himself, which is so much more difficult than just hunting.
- [28:57]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [28:57]
Joe Rogan
Set up the key. Would carry tripods with him and shit and set it up and make sure the, the camera's on the animal before he would shoot it and then film himself. Film himself moving up to there. Set up different cameras that could show him executing the shot. I'm like, God, that's so complicated.
- [29:12]
Ryan Bingham
He's a beast, man. Just trying to keep up with him, you know, just walking around the mountains with that gu. I'm like, oh man, wait up. I'll be, I'm coming.
- [29:21]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they get that mountain cardio.
- [29:23]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, he's like a mountain goat.
- [29:25]
Joe Rogan
Well, you know, he hunts probably 200 plus days a year. And on top of that, he does a lot of guiding. And when he's doing guiding, he's like always in the mountains, always hiking. It's like you, you just get conditioned to it.
- [29:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, he's fit. I, I went to Hawaii with him and did an axis hunt over there. Cool. One of the coolest things I ever did. And I got this buck and we're loading him up in the truck and all that. And he was like, man, I'm gonna, I'll meet you guys back at camp. You know, it was dark already and like, I know, you know, during the day we were hunting. It was just, I mean, steep mountains up and down. And I said, you're just gonna meet us back? He's like, yeah, I'll meet you back. And he just put on his backpack and just took off running. And we, you know, drove down this mountain road to go back and he beat us there by like a half an hour, you know, and that was his workout. He's like, yeah, it's part of my workout. I'll meet, I'm meet you guys back there. I was like, oh, you're, you're an animal.
- [30:15]
Joe Rogan
That's funny. Access deer in Hawaii is very interesting cuz they were given to King Kamehameha in like, I don't remember what year it was, Find out what year they got introduced there. But they're everywhere now. I've gone to Lanai a bunch of times.
- [30:33]
Ryan Bingham
That's where we went hunting. Yeah, it was wild there. Thousands of them everywhere. And you're trying to sneak up, up on a group of 10 and then you don't even realize there's like a hundred right here laying down that you didn't even see. And then they get up and spook the rest and stand. Well, you know, you've. You've been there.
- [30:48]
Joe Rogan
Okay. It was in the 1800s, a gift to Kim Kamehameha from India. And there's 30,000 of them in Lanai and only 3,000 people. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy weird. The only place where you can go hunting, bow hunting, and you stay at the Four Seats Seasons.
- [31:06]
Ryan Bingham
Right. I think Remy said he got kicked out of there though, because he was hunting so much. And you know that all that red clay there, you know, on your boots and stuff. He said. So the whole hotel was just like red clay everywhere. The fridge is just full of meat, you know, like blood dripping out.
- [31:23]
Joe Rogan
They kicked him out of there.
- [31:24]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, I don't know if they kicked him out, but like, he's like, well, maybe we ought to go find somewhere else to stay, you know.
- [31:29]
Joe Rogan
Well, just take off your boots before you come inside. Yeah, that's all it is. But yeah, it's that weird red clay. And it all used to be part of the dull pineapple plant plantation. So when you're around there, one of the things you notice is like there's layers of dirt, but then there's like, almost looks like plastic bag underneath it. Like a. Like a hefty bag from all the farming. Yeah. So I guess they had a layer of like that kind of whatever the. A hefty bag is made out of whatever that plastic is. And then the dirt was on top of that somehow. And then the pineapples would grow up through it.
- [32:02]
Ryan Bingham
I subs keep moisture and stuff like that in the ground.
- [32:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I would imagine. But it's. It's. It's disconcerting because it doesn't feel like nature. It feels weird. It's like there's plastic everywhere on the ground.
- [32:12]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And you get in the mountains and like those old World War II turrets and stuff that are up there come across any of us. I mean, it's just like. Yeah. First of all, like hunting axis deer in lanai. And like you get up on the top and you're surrounded by the ocean. I mean, what a trip, you know?
- [32:27]
Joe Rogan
I know.
- [32:27]
Ryan Bingham
Just seeing that and then coming across all those old relics and just all the history there. It's just something to take into. And we are laughing because obviously they're trying to like, control the population of the Axis deer there. And I think somebody, some. Somebody mentioned, like, man, just get a couple of Bengal tigers out here.
- [32:46]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
- [32:47]
Ryan Bingham
That'll thin out the population.
- [32:49]
Joe Rogan
Let's thin out the population of people too, unfortunately.
- [32:51]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
The thing about them is that they did evolve around tigers. That's why they're so fast. Like, they'll jump a string faster than any animal I've ever seen in my life. I have a video of me shooting at an Axis deer at adr. And it's. We have a slow mo of the arrow. So as the. The arrows coming, it's a perfect shot. Within 10 yards of him, he hears it and. And he's gone. It's the craziest thing. Like you. You look at it, you're like, how the. Did he move that fast? This thing's going at least. Well, from the actual, like leaving the bow, it's going 275ft per second.
- [33:30]
Ryan Bingham
Second. Yeah.
- [33:31]
Joe Rogan
And he. 10 yards within 10 yards. He's hearing it coming and he's like, see ya.
- [33:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [33:38]
Joe Rogan
And nowhere near him. Like it. He was a foot in front of it was the arrow landed a foot behind his ass. That's how fast they move.
- [33:46]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
It's crazy.
- [33:47]
Ryan Bingham
How long did you go there for? A while or just kind of like a few times trips. Yeah.
- [33:52]
Joe Rogan
We found that the best time to hunt is actually in the afternoon. Because in the afternoon it's really windy. Windy. And when it's really windy, it covers your sound a little bit.
- [34:00]
Ryan Bingham
Okay.
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Joe Rogan
The morning's rough. Yeah, the morning's rough. Like the morning. I. I got a couple of them in the morning. Couple of times. Morning hunting. I got a deer, but it's a lot of blown stalks. You gotta walk super slow. You got to be real cautious. And again, there's a lot of high brush and you don't know where the they're hiding.
- [34:19]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
You got to kind of find a pinch point.
- [34:22]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You jump one and the rest of them.
- [34:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [34:24]
Ryan Bingham
Sound off the way they bark. And all of that's pretty crazy too. It's weird.
- [34:27]
Joe Rogan
It's a weird noise. What you got of do is like, find where they're going to be and just wait. Because they travel so much, they do so much moving, you think, I'm just going to go, you know, still hunt and spot and stalk and I, I'll find one and I'll. You're almost better off just staying put. Yeah, just stay in put and wait for them because they're moving all over the place. There's so many of them.
- [34:48]
Ryan Bingham
It's crazy. Yeah.
- [34:49]
Joe Rogan
But it's amazing how unsuccessful people are bow hunting them. Rifle. It's a done deal if you want meat and it's the best meat in the world. So it's for the people that live there. It's incredible. I mean they have access to the best meat in the world. Hundred percent they're going to get a deer. And so if you have a. But if you have a boat. We went there and then. So I went with Remy. I went with John Dudley, Cam Haynes and Adam Green Tree. Like all seasoned bow hunters, everybody, everybody got a deer and we made a podcast about it. We had a good old time. They had 150 people go over the next year and one was successful with a bow. Yeah, that's it.
- [35:34]
Ryan Bingham
Taking chances.
- [35:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's how hard it is.
- [35:36]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [35:36]
Joe Rogan
Because it's like these are. They're dialed in, man. And they move.
- [35:41]
Ryan Bingham
A lot of people chasing them too. Yeah. They know the game, right.
- [35:44]
Joe Rogan
365 days a year they get hunted. There's no season. And then they have snipers that are after them at night because, you know, they use it for meat for the restaurants and meat for people and. And they just have to control the population. There's so many of. And no predators.
- [35:58]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And still can't thin them out. Right.
- [36:00]
Joe Rogan
I know. It's crazy. I think they got a good head start. They eradicated him from the Big Island.
- [36:05]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, did they?
- [36:06]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Somebody tried to reintroduce them or introduce, I should say, to the Big island. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We know where this is going. He's gonna destroy people's crops and destroy people's gardens.
- [36:18]
Ryan Bingham
Take over.
- [36:19]
Joe Rogan
And they already have plenty of wild pigs on the Big island. So they just, they whacked them all.
- [36:23]
Ryan Bingham
Unfortunately. It's kind of like the pigs here in Texas. Right. And it got wild. I don't, you know, growing up here when I was younger, I never remember them being like how they are now.
- [36:32]
Joe Rogan
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Ryan Bingham
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- [36:48]
Joe Rogan
They don't Stop. They have three or four litters a year, and each litter has. I think they can have as many as six piglets.
- [36:56]
Ryan Bingham
It's crazy.
- [36:56]
Joe Rogan
They just. And they can get pregnant. Six months old. At six months old, they can get pregnant. They're ready to rock. And they're just spitting out pigs and just tearing.
- [37:05]
Ryan Bingham
Tearing up.
- [37:06]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I. We have a lease out here for hunting land, me and some of my friends. And the amount of pigs is disturbing. It's like you hear them everywhere. You hear them in the bushes. They're all over the place. It's like most of Texas, probably. That's not like Sid City has wild pigs in it.
- [37:29]
Ryan Bingham
Taking over, man.
- [37:30]
Joe Rogan
And it all came over on boats. Yeah. That's how it all got here.
- [37:34]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [37:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [37:35]
Ryan Bingham
It's important.
- [37:36]
Joe Rogan
Them in.
- [37:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [37:37]
Joe Rogan
Guys from Europe, they brought boats, and. And in the boats, some of them brought pigs, and then they let them loose.
- [37:43]
Ryan Bingham
It's crazy, man. Tearing stuff up. Yeah. I don't ever remember them being as bad as they were like, the last 15 years or so.
- [37:50]
Joe Rogan
So it's actually bad in California, too. And California has them from William Randolph Hearst.
- [37:56]
Ryan Bingham
Didn't they take. Didn't they, like, eradicate them off the Channel Islands out there?
- [38:00]
Joe Rogan
I think so. They. I think the islands. And they had mule deer on some of the islands out there, too, right?
- [38:06]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [38:07]
Joe Rogan
I forget which island had mule deer, but apparently they had, like, a. Like, you could go hunt on one of these islands.
- [38:15]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. I think you think you might still be able to, like on Catalina or a couple. But maybe. Do they really cruise? They did, because I know my. My buddy Matt, he did it, like, maybe last year, the year before, But I think they're trying to put a stop to it and kind of stop it. Those Channel Islands are pretty interesting. I remember first moving out there, even just going out there 15 years ago and seeing the islands out there, you know, And I'd ask people all around, I was like, man, what's the deal with these islands out there? And half the people that I would talk to be like, what are you talking about, islands? And I'm like, that island right out there? They're like, oh, I thought that was long. You know, I'm like, really? I was like, have you looked at a map? You know, I love maps. So I started, you know, doing some research and figuring out all about it, and they're really cool. And over the years, I've met some really cool guys, go out there a lot, and spearfish and just to go out there to them. And besides, Catalina, like Santa Cruz and San Miguel and you know, they're all like nature preserves and protected. So it's like going back in time when you get out there. And I love it out there. It's such a, such a cool spot.
- [39:22]
Joe Rogan
Did they try to, are they trying to eradicate deer from Catalina? I think I've read something about that. See if that's true. I think they're trying to remove the deer because they said the deer were non native to the island.
- [39:35]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah. I think that's what they did with the hogs and I don't know there's like a specific island fox out there.
- [39:43]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, here it is. As of early 2026, California officials have approved a controversial plan to fully eradicate the non native mule deer population on Santa Catalina island to restore the ecosystem. Around 2, 000 deer introduced in the 1930s for hunting will be removed by ground based hunters to protect native biodiversity. Come on, that sounds crazy. How about just let people hunt them? Wrong with you. So the issue is Catalina Island Conservancy considers the mule deer an invasive species that disrupts the ecosystem as they consume native plants and seedlings while spreading fire prone invasive grasses. Really? I have, I just always worry about conservancies and their, their judgments on things like that because there's a lot of. They want to eradicate all the pigs from Texas or the, from California rather they think of them as non native and they want them out too. But you're not going to, they want to eradicate. There's like elk in California that are Yellowstone elk that were brought there in like the 1950s that they want to
- [40:58]
Ryan Bingham
eradicate like that too. Like the tule elk.
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Joe Rogan
No, they're actually, they're actually Rocky Mountain.
- [41:04]
Ryan Bingham
Okay.
- [41:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. But they're, they're a larger breed of Rocky Mountain elk they call yellow apparently
- [41:11]
Ryan Bingham
like in the Sierras or down along the coast.
- [41:13]
Joe Rogan
And so Tachby, Tachby up in that area in those mountains. Big elk, like 400 inch elk. Like a couple of those elk out there that are in the front. That's what they're from.
- [41:24]
Ryan Bingham
There's, that's, that's, those are massive.
- [41:27]
Joe Rogan
That's from Tone Ranch.
- [41:28]
Ryan Bingham
Okay.
- [41:29]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [41:29]
Ryan Bingham
And oh yeah. It's like going up over the grape vine.
- [41:32]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
- [41:32]
Ryan Bingham
That's where you got those.
- [41:33]
Joe Rogan
Uhhuh.
- [41:34]
Ryan Bingham
Wow. I had no idea that they were that big out there.
- [41:37]
Joe Rogan
It's all. It's the biggest private ranch in California. It's like 270,000 acres.
- [41:42]
Ryan Bingham
I've heard of the ranch, but I didn't know they had elk like that up.
- [41:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. One of the rare places. Gorgeous fucking place. But they also go up. It's kind of funny. They go up to. There's a golfing community higher up in Tachpi. And the elk just hang out on the golf course.
- [42:00]
Ryan Bingham
Just turned it up.
- [42:02]
Joe Rogan
Giant elk, like 400 inch elk, just chilling, hanging out together on the golf course. And dudes are playing golf.
- [42:09]
Ryan Bingham
That's wild.
- [42:10]
Joe Rogan
While they're lying down next to them, like 20 yards away. It's crazy.
- [42:13]
Ryan Bingham
I seen. I saw some. One time I was driving up the coast. I think I was going up to San Francisco to play a gig. And maybe they're the Thule elk. I'm not sure what they were, but I was along the coast there and I looked over in a field and there was like 30 head of them just laying down over there. I'm like, oh, man, I didn't even know there were elk down here. It's just. I love seeing wildlife that. In unexpected places, you know?
- [42:36]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They recently just found a wolf.
- [42:39]
Ryan Bingham
They're unexpected for me, anyway. Oh, really?
- [42:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. See. See if you can find the story about that wolf. Wolf that they just discovered in Los Angeles.
- [42:48]
Ryan Bingham
There's a mama. Mama bear, black bear with three cubs now running around in Topanga.
- [42:52]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, there's a lot of those.
- [42:54]
Ryan Bingham
A lot of lions running around.
- [42:56]
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of. A lot of bears. I've seen them in Pasadena and people's pools.
- [43:02]
Ryan Bingham
I knew that. There's a bunch out in Pasadena and like Glendale.
- [43:05]
Joe Rogan
Wolf detected in Los Angeles county for the first time in more than a century. Crazy. Isn't that nuts?
- [43:14]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [43:15]
Joe Rogan
Those guys can travel. I had a lady on who was a wolf biologist, and she was talking about, like, the, you know, they'd collar some of these wolves and they would track them. They would go 500 miles.
- [43:27]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Like, it's kind of insane.
- [43:30]
Ryan Bingham
I didn't know that. Yeah. That's incredible.
- [43:32]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's how they learned about them. It's really the only way to tell is to, like, put a collar on them and track them by gps.
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Ryan Bingham
Mm.
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Joe Rogan
And you know, they mean they're extraordinary animals.
- [43:42]
Ryan Bingham
Like, where were they originating from? In Montana, Wyoming. And how. Where were they going? The ones that they were tracking?
- [43:49]
Joe Rogan
I think the ones that they were tracking were the part of the group that was brought in, you know, in the 1990s, you know, so there was that pack and the subsequent packs that came after that. There were all the reintroduced wolves. And so they would, you know, dart and Collar some of them. Them. And when they would do that, they would just track their motion. They're like, Jesus.
- [44:09]
Ryan Bingham
Covering some ground.
- [44:12]
Joe Rogan
They're covering some ground. And it's interesting, too, that they actually make mountain lions kill more deer competing with them. Yeah. Because the mountain lions kill a deer and then the wolves will steal it.
- [44:25]
Ryan Bingham
Oh.
- [44:25]
Joe Rogan
So they'll come up on the mountain line and they'll surround them, and the mountain lion will go, this, I'm out of here. And he'll just go kill another deer. So he doesn't even get a chance to eat his deer because the wolves keep stealing his deer.
- [44:35]
Ryan Bingham
Keep track of the lions. Probably just following them around.
- [44:38]
Joe Rogan
They're smart, dirty work.
- [44:39]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, they do.
- [44:40]
Joe Rogan
They let them do the dirty work
- [44:41]
Ryan Bingham
and then they steal their work. Smarter, not harder.
- [44:43]
Joe Rogan
Huh. Since. What does it say the wolf that they found? Yeah.
- [44:46]
Ryan Bingham
This is from when February, when they first spotted it.
- [44:50]
Joe Rogan
So the wolf was born 20, 23 Plumas counties. Where's Plumas County? It's traveled more than 370 miles. Wow.
- [44:57]
Ryan Bingham
Wow.
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Joe Rogan
Including crossing State Route 59 near Touchapi. There you go. Yeah. They had one up in Tachapi, too, that a buddy of mine. It was actually closer to the city that's down there. What's that city?
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Ryan Bingham
Bakersfield.
- [45:13]
Joe Rogan
Bakersfield. Yeah, exactly. Wildlife officials now estimate at least 60 wolves live in the state. Wow.
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Ryan Bingham
One crossed over in 2011. Wow.
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Joe Rogan
From California. From Oregon again. So. So they find him in the Tachapi Mountains. Interesting. Biologists told newspaper. Biologists told newspapers that she could encounter a mate in the nearby region such as Tachapi Mountains, potentially forming a new pack or continue to roam. What was that picture you just had of the elk? Yeah, that's that golf course. Look at that. Giant elk chilling on the golf course.
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Ryan Bingham
Clash flag.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. Look how beautiful that is. God. So pretty out there. There. Massive elk. Oak Tree country club.
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Ryan Bingham
Perfect sanctuary for him, right?
- [45:58]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, man. And it's just. It adds to the coolness of playing golf. I mean, you're playing golf around giant, beautiful animals.
- [46:06]
Ryan Bingham
I bet those greens keepers love them, though, right?
- [46:10]
Joe Rogan
They probably up all kinds of things up there.
- [46:13]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
It's. The wolf thing is interesting because they. They just brought him back to Aspen and they did a really stupid thing. They. They brought them into an area where it has a lot of livestock, and they brought them in from a place in Oregon where these wolves had all been captured because they were killing agriculture.
- [46:32]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So what did they do? They captured them and they dropped them off in Colorado where they started killing national Park. They're just doing. Well, it's on people's. My friend's ranch. One of them, they dropped three wolves off on my friend's ranch.
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Ryan Bingham
That's tough, man. Even with the bears and stuff. You know, get some problem bears or whatever, and then they go drop them out where the farmers and ranchers are living. You know, it's like, man, how's that going to work?
- [46:57]
Joe Rogan
Well, it's the people in charge of these things and making these decisions. They don't understand what they're doing. They're monkeying around with wildlife, nature, biology, and you. You don't know what you're doing. Yeah, you don't. You have no idea. Also, like, how. How the. Do you in good conscience take a wolf that's used to killing cows and put them around other people's cows?
- [47:17]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, that's. It's already programmed the dinner bells.
- [47:20]
Joe Rogan
It knows ex. How to do it. It knows it's easy. They're all fenced in. They. They taste delicious. Why would it stop?
- [47:27]
Ryan Bingham
Or why would it. Yeah, why would you chase. Chase tougher prey? Right?
- [47:31]
Joe Rogan
So now these poor ranchers have to have people monitoring their cows 24, 7. They have to have cowboys up all night that are wandering around and on horseback and just looking for wolves. I mean, it's a disaster. They've killed dozens of cows.
- [47:47]
Ryan Bingham
And these are folks that, you know, like we said, surviving on this land for generations and dealing with that and, you know, have a history with managing that stuff, you know, it'd probably be the folks I'd want to ask.
- [48:01]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [48:01]
Ryan Bingham
How to handle it, you know.
- [48:03]
Joe Rogan
Well, they would certainly tell you, don't let the wolves in. And if you do kill them, you know. But now it's gotten to the point where I think they're gonna have to do something about them.
- [48:12]
Ryan Bingham
Well, they put it like. Well, they put a hunting limit on them. You think.
- [48:17]
Joe Rogan
Honestly, that would probably do something. But really what you should do is hire someone to recapture them and don't drop them off there. Don't drop them off in Aspen, you idiot, because they're going to eat people's poodles, too. Okay? They don't give a. If they run out of cows. If somehow another rancher scare them away from the cows and they make it into the town of Aspen. You don't think they're going to eat your golden retriever? They're going to eat all kinds of dogs. They eat dogs in Alaska all the time. Time.
- [48:45]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah, I hear a lot. Like the lions and stuff, man, you Coming after your kids? Yeah, you know, there's been that. Malibu Creek park, you know, I've heard a couple of incidents there, you know, hit. It's like, man, they're. They're going to go eat something.
- [48:59]
Joe Rogan
Especially when they're old. Yeah, when they get old, you know, they can't catch a deer anymore and they're hungry and they haven't eaten in a few days, and then they see a kid hanging around a little too close to the outside of the woods.
- [49:12]
Ryan Bingham
I got a big one that comes right by my house. I got a little game trail camera set up and I got a little fountain right in the front. It doesn't come around when I'm there because we got the dogs, you know, a lot. But whenever I'm out of town for weeks at a time, I'll come back and that sucker's just laying on my front porch, just massive. And then the other day, a friend of mine was taking the trash out and it was like around lunchtime, and it jumped over the fence into the driveway and had a. Dead rabbits in it. Dead rabbit in its mouth. Just looking at her, you know, and she's like, holy shit, they're there. You know, so every time I'm even walking around by myself or with the dogs, you're just like, man, this suc. Just be in a tree looking at me right now.
- [49:49]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you're just living with monsters.
- [49:51]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, you're there.
- [49:55]
Joe Rogan
California spent more than $100 million trying to make a bridge over. I forget which freeway it is. Is it the 101? I think you're right. So they spent over $100 million and it's still not done.
- [50:10]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, my gosh.
- [50:11]
Joe Rogan
For a bridge. A bridge for the mountain lions, like, you fucking dorks. Oh, it's like this idea of, like, it's gonna be a bridge, but it's gonna have dirt and grass on it. So it'll encourage them to walk across so they don't have to go over the highway and die.
- [50:27]
Ryan Bingham
Nicer than the roads we're driving on.
- [50:29]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, $110 million is crazy. And it's still not even done. Like, it is like, it's. It's so crazy. So that's what it.
- [50:41]
Ryan Bingham
Early 2026, it's like going up to Ventura, right?
- [50:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [50:44]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [50:45]
Joe Rogan
So they want to have this. This big dirt mound and this bridge so the animals can get across the highway. But it's just like, it's so goofy. And they never want people to do anything about the population of mountain lions, regardless of how out of control they are. They don't do anything about it. They have to hire people. The state has to hire people to go and get the bad mountain lions, the ones that are problems.
- [51:08]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And when they capture them, one of the things they find out is they're. When they actually kill them. Right. So one of the things they find out when they examine their diet, it's like 50% pets.
- [51:17]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [51:18]
Joe Rogan
50% dogs and cats. That's what your mountain lions are eating.
- [51:22]
Ryan Bingham
That's crazy. Yeah.
- [51:24]
Joe Rogan
And they spend money, like, a lot of money going after these mountain lions. And instead, they could make money by letting people hunt these mountain lions and giving them tags and control the numbers in that place to hone ranch. One of my buddies works there, and they have a. A trail camera set up on a pond, and they found 16 different cats that were drinking out of that pond.
- [51:48]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, my gosh. That's insane. I was like. When I first started going out there, too, the coyotes, you know, and even around, like, in Hollywood and stuff, you know, man, I swear I just saw a coyote running down the street with a pair of sunglasses on a gold chain, eating better than any of us.
- [52:07]
Joe Rogan
When I went there in 94, that was the first time I ever saw a coyote. I couldn't believe it. I was staying at. You know, they have those furnish apartments, the Oakwood furnished apartments.
- [52:15]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, no, not really.
- [52:16]
Joe Rogan
Temporary, like, for people that are like, don't have a house yet and you got to move to California quick. They have this place called Oakwoods. And you go in there, it's already got a couch. It's already got a tv, it's already got a bed. You're like, okay, like an Airbnb move in.
- [52:30]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [52:30]
Joe Rogan
And I was driving up to the entrance to the place, and I see these little dogs on the street. I was like, what the going on? He. These dog.
- [52:40]
Ryan Bingham
That ain't no dog.
- [52:42]
Joe Rogan
I was like, oh, my God, they're coyotes. Like, this is weird. And so this is like 94. I had never seen a coyote. I never even heard of a coyote being out just wandering in the street. I just couldn't believe it that they just wander around on the concrete, man.
- [52:59]
Ryan Bingham
It's. They're. They're everywhere. I feel like I've seen more there than anywhere. You see them more in town than you do anywhere else.
- [53:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. They. Well, they have large populations of them in downtown where they know where they den up. They den up in certain warehouse buildings.
- [53:12]
Ryan Bingham
Okay. Like abandoned buildings and under bridges and freeways and stuff.
- [53:17]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They like, they live there. They probably keep them.
- [53:20]
Ryan Bingham
Nature will take back over one day, won't it?
- [53:23]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
- [53:23]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [53:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I think they probably keep the rat population in check though.
- [53:27]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [53:28]
Joe Rogan
If you think about it.
- [53:29]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I keep a lot of other things in check too. Right.
- [53:33]
Joe Rogan
Cats. Well, there was a terrible video from Woodland Hills a few years back where guys guy was unloading his car and his toddler was out there in. In the grass.
- [53:44]
Ryan Bingham
Like right next saw that and the
- [53:45]
Joe Rogan
coyote grabbed his toddler and tried to run away with his kid.
- [53:48]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I saw that, man. You know, I'm always watching around for stuff and with my. Our kiddos or just people around the neighborhood and stuff, you got to remind. Remind yourself, you know, they're there and they're not scared of you. You know, they're not afraid. I remember one of the first times I went up to Ojai, just north, north of LA there. You know, I just wanted to go up there and go hike around and check out the area. And there was an archery shop up there. And I had this old guy, kind of looked like Charlie Daniels, just big overalls, big old beard, you know. And I walked in there and just to check out the shop and also just ask him about, you know, some areas to go stomp around. And I had a Australian shepherd dog at the time and just ask him where, you know, good places to go stomp around. He said, yeah, you know, you go up there. He goes, but I wouldn't take your dog with. With you. I was like, really? Why? He's like, man, those lions are real deal up here. You know, he's like you. He goes, you won't see them, you know, until they're on you, you know. And I just, you know, I knew they're lying to stuff like that, but hearing it from, from that guy, you know, maybe he's trying to scare me a little bit. But you know, there's. I. It's. It's real deal.
- [54:57]
Joe Rogan
It's real. It's real. And they try to downplay it because the, all the, the wildlife lovers, all the greenies, they don't want you like and killing them.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [55:09]
Joe Rogan
What their goal is to have zero hunting. Their goal is to have all the animals just balance each other out.
- [55:16]
Ryan Bingham
I think going to happen.
- [55:18]
Joe Rogan
You can't.
- [55:19]
Ryan Bingham
It's not with humans in the mix.
- [55:20]
Joe Rogan
No, the humans have interrupted that whole idea. Right. So if you've got a city and then you've got wild giant predators, like 170lb cat that are killing dogs and they're like you gotta control them.
- [55:34]
Ryan Bingham
Can't manage one without managing the other. Right.
- [55:37]
Joe Rogan
And so the first wet. The first thing they did to stop people from doing it is they banned hunting with dogs. So if you ban hunting with dogs, guess what? You basically, you're killing most of the hunting. Because the reality of mountain lions is you can't find them. They're really hard to find, really hard to catch, really hard to find. And the best way to control their population is to treat tree them. And you get dogs because that way, you know, if it's a tom or if it's a female, you know, if it's mature, you know what size it is, you have a really accurate estimation, you can look up at it. Oh, that's a mature tom. That's what we're looking to kill. And then you can control their population. Yeah, that's the only way. Same with bears.
- [56:15]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. See what it is and decide if it needs to go or if it, if it needs to stay. Right? Yeah.
- [56:21]
Joe Rogan
But they do little things to stop the effective hunting first. So California, you can still hunt for black bears, but you can't use dogs anymore. And so as soon as they stopped the use of dogs, the amount of black bears they harvested went way down. So the amount of bears in the population went way up.
- [56:38]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I don't think they've. I mean, I know they've been around in Pasadena a lot, but I don't think there's been one in Topanga for a while. I mean, I've been up there, shoot, almost 15 years and hadn't heard of one. This is the first time one's kind of made it over into that area that I know of any anyway, maybe up, you know, around the Malibu Creek and those state parks.
- [56:58]
Joe Rogan
But in Topanga, there's probably people feeding
- [57:00]
Ryan Bingham
them, oh, a hundred percent.
- [57:02]
Joe Rogan
I've got berries for you, my friend.
- [57:05]
Ryan Bingham
Giving them weed, some berries.
- [57:12]
Joe Rogan
Dipang is great, but it always sketches me out of a fire catches.
- [57:17]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, man, we. We got hit hard last year, as you know, the Palisades stuff. And man, I, I didn't. That was kind of it for me too. I was like, I'm out. You know, it's terrifying. Yeah, I've evacuated out of there several times over the years, but I've got horses up there now and stuff like that. And luckily I had like a. I always keep a big truck and a trailer just in case. And I've got some friends down in Burbank that have some stables, you know, that I'll have like as a backup plan and. But this was just a different deal. As a crow flies, I could see the smoke from the Palisades. You know, it's like a mile away. And we were actually working in our arena there, and smoke came up, and I was like, shoot, let's just go. Every time I see the smoke, like, I don't wait. I'm just like, we'll be the first ones out and beat the mad rush of everybody that's going to decide to try to stay and loaded up the trailer and the truck and the camper and the dogs and all that stuff. And I was like, let's go. And my wife and I went down to Burbank, and I remember we were driving through the night, and the wind was just howling like I've never seen before. And power lines are snapping, and it's just like trees are coming down. And it just felt like the end of the world, you know? And we get to Burbank and we pull back in these stables, and there's a kind of a big cinder block wall. And I just got as close to that as I could because it was blocking the wind from hitting us. And the next morning I woke up and my throat was sore and hurt and I could hardly breathe. And I opened the camper door and the Altadena fire had started, and it was right there. And so it was just a mountain of black smoke coming over the top of us there. And so let's go. Let's get out of here. Let's, like, head north. And I had some friends in Moore park, you know, up in that area going towards Ventura that had horses, trying to find some places to go with some horses, and they're like, yeah, come on up here. So we went up there, stayed there a night, and then they cut all the power off up that area because the winds were snapping power lines and they were worried about fires and. And, you know, after doing that a few nights, and I was like, let's just head east and go to Texas. You know, there's only so. So many friends you could, like, show up with five horses and a bunch of dogs, you know, like, hey, we're gonna stay for a while.
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Joe Rogan
You know, especially in California.
- [59:33]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, we're like, let's just get out of here and headed back. And you didn't know when we were gonna make it back. And they, you know, closed indefinitely or whatever. I was just like, man, I'm. I'm over it.
- [59:43]
Joe Rogan
I got evacuated a bunch of times when I lived there, but the Last one was 2018. And when the last one, we got out early, I came home from the Comedy Store and we saw fire coming over the top of this hill. And it was probably like one o' clock in the morning. Me and my wife were sitting there. I go, what do you think? And she's like, let's get the out of here. Like, let's get the out of here. Let's just grab some shit and maybe it'll come this way, maybe it won't. So it didn't burn the house down. But my neighbors, the front, front three neighbors all lost their house. And my next door neighbor, his. His roof caught on fire. But my friend who refused to leave, he stayed in the neighborhood and protected his house and guided firefighters. He brought the firefighters to that house and showed him that it just started on this guy's roof and they hosed it down, they stopped it in its track, but it was pretty fucking bad.
- [60:34]
Ryan Bingham
But it's wild because you know it's gonna burn. I mean, it's not a matter of, you know, if it's just when. And I mean that's, that's. Canyons have been burning like that for thousands of years. And even the Chumash were setting them on fire on purpose to get ahead of it, right? And control and all of that stuff. And now there's just so many houses and communities back up in there. It's just, It's a tough thing. But when they, when they hit, man, it's. They just, they're rolling through how fast they come through. Those Santa Ana winds are blowing like that.
- [61:02]
Joe Rogan
And it's just very surreal in person. You can watch it on the news and you kind of get a feeling of it. But when you're there and you're driving down the 101 and you look at the side of the highway and you see like these hills in the distance are just covered in fire. Hundreds of yards of fields of fire just making their way over the top of this hill and burning houses.
- [61:25]
Ryan Bingham
We saw it when the Palisade, you know, the Palisades thing was start, you know, from our house. There's kind of a little mountain that comes up on the back. And I hiked up there and was watching it and you could see the smoke and then you could like start seeing little flickers of the flames. And then it was just like somebody dumped gasoline on this thing. And I mean, the flames shot up hundreds of feet into the air. And my wife was on the balcony, you know, the house. And I'm kind of up on this little mountain I'm looking over, looking in her eyes, and I'm like, start packing up. I'll go hook up the horse trailer. I'll be upset. Let's load up. And just. And, you know, the wind was blowing, like, offshore then, you know, so the fire's, like, on the coast, you know, and just depending on where that. How that wind is blowing. You know, at the beginning, it was blowing offshore, and then within a half an hour, it just shot up the coastline and just ripped up through Malibu and burned all that coast. Like, that's the stuff that you always thought was the safest, right? You know?
- [62:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
And then the next day, the wind shifts, coming back on shore, and it blows it back towards Burbank, you know, going back up, like the fourth up that way, and then the winds are shifting again and then coming back across, you know, So I was amazed at the. Some of the fires that I've been through. Seeing the firefighters up there. Those guys are incredible, man. Those helicopter pilots, the airplane pilots, seeing those tankers fly through there, I mean, it's just incredible what those guys can do. I mean, if it hadn't. I mean, they saved that whole canyon of Topanga at least, you know, it's like, man, there's so much brush in there that probably needs to burn. That's been accumulating over years, you know, and cutting those fire breaks and seeing them drop the retardant on the ridge lines and stuff, and watching the wind, it's just like, man. Man, hats off to those guys.
- [63:18]
Joe Rogan
Absolutely.
- [63:19]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [63:20]
Joe Rogan
I mean, think about the amount of damage that was done in that fire and how much more would have been done if it wasn't for the firefighters. That's how crazy it is.
- [63:28]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Yeah, it is, man. I met one of the helicopter pilots. I was on a flight somewhere, and we just happened to be sitting next to each other and we were talking about it and just, you know, learning from him, you know, about, you know, the thermals that come up from underneath and trying to hold those helicopters and, you know, in formation and all that stuff, and how heavy they are when they're full, right? And then as soon as you release all that water, whatever is in them that, you know, all of a sudden that the power that they got, you know, throttle's full throttle, you know, when they're loaded down, and then they drop all that water and then, you know, trying to get back a hold of
- [64:04]
Joe Rogan
it, and I never even thought of that.
- [64:07]
Ryan Bingham
And then you got.
- [64:07]
Joe Rogan
Then you got enormous difference.
- [64:09]
Ryan Bingham
90 mile an hour, winds blowing, and you Know, you know, and I could see them from the house. You know, there'd be like two or three helicopters that would come in, start dropping water, and then they would move out, and then the tank, the planes would come in and then helicopters back in. And then you had the guys on the ground, you know, trying to contain it as well. Just the coordinated effort between them. You know, I can imagine the conversations there.
- [64:34]
Joe Rogan
Hey, man, it's so crazy that they didn't have the reservoirs ready.
- [64:38]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, dude, it's so sad.
- [64:41]
Joe Rogan
I had Spencer Pratt on. You know, he's running for mayor now. He was explaining it, like, how bad it was.
- [64:46]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [64:47]
Joe Rogan
How do you that up that bad?
- [64:50]
Ryan Bingham
It's devastating to hear that. It's like, you know, that that stuff's coming, you know, to not be prepared for that.
- [64:57]
Joe Rogan
Complete, acceptable incompetence. Yeah, just complete, total incompetence. And yet they still are there. Like, you. You definitely not good at job, and yet you don't take any personal responsibility and you blame everybody else. And the problem just. It's a problem that happens every few years. Like, you're going to get fires, period. The fact that you don't have a full reservoir is crazy. It's crazy. You should dump all your resources into fixing that reservoir, stat. Get filled up.
- [65:35]
Ryan Bingham
The residents are more prepared than anybody.
- [65:37]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [65:37]
Ryan Bingham
You know, because I think they just got to where they. You can't depend on it. You know, I mean, I know our neighbors and stuff have a pretty good program in place. We all get together and talk about, you know, who's got fire hoses and swimming pools with access to water and where, you know, evacuation plans or, you know, there's some folks that will have horses, but they don't even have a horse trailer up there. And, you know, I'm like, okay, I'll come get yours too, or whatever, you know, you know, we need to do. And you kind of just have to have that mentality, I think, you know?
- [66:08]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. It's, you know what's really freaking me out about, like, the Palisades is what is in the ground now, you know, like how much toxic got melted into that ground. Because think about how many people have electric cars now.
- [66:25]
Ryan Bingham
Well, the house. Old houses, too. You don't talk about the materials that they're made out of, aspects or lead. And I mean, the stuff in the air that was. Even if you, you know, you were several miles away from the actual fires, the wind and blowing all the ashes and the smoke and all that stuff over. I remember going back up in there, you know, weeks and just trying to get stuff out of the house or whatever. When they'd let us back up and you could still. It would just make your throat hurt, you know, breathing that air and stuff, so.
- [66:55]
Joe Rogan
Right.
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Ryan Bingham
That's bad stuff.
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Joe Rogan
It's not just wood fire.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. No, no. Like chemicals.
- [66:59]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Wood fires hard enough, but the chemicals burnt. TVs and computers and hard drives and electronics and refrigerators.
- [67:09]
Ryan Bingham
Treated lumber.
- [67:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. All that shit's going to get in your groundwater. Like it's, it's, it's on the surface, it's going to rain, it's going to seep through. Like what happens to the water? Is anybody checking the water out there? You know, you got to imagine.
- [67:26]
Ryan Bingham
I doubt, doubt it.
- [67:26]
Joe Rogan
Especially like Topanga. I bet a lot of folks have wells, don't you think?
- [67:30]
Ryan Bingham
I think there's some. You know, it's definitely all like on septic up there too, you know, I mean all the, all of the building code stuff's got pretty crazy up there. I don't know. I was just a mess.
- [67:41]
Joe Rogan
I would just worry about even breathing the air that has the dust of all that in it. Like, I probably wouldn't want to live there anymore. If, if I was in a place where all the houses burnt to the ground and I knew there was toxic in the ground, I'd be. Be like, hey, let's get the out of here and sell our house to China.
- [68:00]
Ryan Bingham
Oh man.
- [68:02]
Joe Rogan
Because that was the other thing Spencer said. They're the ones who are the number one land buyers in the pal. It's China.
- [68:07]
Ryan Bingham
Is it going to be a, is it going to be a golf course resort up there before we know it, who knows? Yeah.
- [68:13]
Joe Rogan
Or affordable housing.
- [68:14]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, one or the other. I don't know either.
- [68:17]
Joe Rogan
I don't know. But it's just I, I really wonder why, what the long term damage of all those chemicals in the ground is. It has to be pretty high.
- [68:27]
Ryan Bingham
Gotta be. You know, I don't know. You know, I was talking to some friends of mine out the other day that have grown up there, lived out there their whole lives and you know, going over the Channel Islands, you, you know, they got those oil platforms out there in the water and there's been oil spills obviously throughout there, through history and, but also like when you're surfing and stuff like that, there's oil that's been off on top of the ground. It's just like so surface level. It's been there for millions of years, you know, and so I don't know, you know, it's like, I'm sure all the toxic stuff that happens, how long does it take for it to dilute? You know, there's not much rain or the wind or like what, you know, I'm not an expert on it, but I, I feel like Mother Nature takes pretty good care of herself. You know, we're. We're the ones in trouble, right?
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Joe Rogan
Right. Mother Nature will sort it out over time, but I just don't know how good it's going to be for the people that live there.
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Ryan Bingham
It can't be, can't be the long term.
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Joe Rogan
You know, I have a buddy that has a house out there and he lost his house and burnt down. And I asked him about it. He said, I think what they're going to do is take all the dirt out of their backyard and then replace the dirt. And I'm like, okay, I don't know if that's enough. Like, cuz, what about his dirt? What about your neighbor's dirt? What about the. All the toxic that's in his dirt that's going to get down into your ground as soon as it rains? And also the.
- [69:43]
Ryan Bingham
Along with all the roundup and everything else coming down, you know, it's. It's just, it's. It's sad, man. You know, it's sad. That's just the kind of state of it. It's like, it's. It seems like just. It's so far of a mess that even the folks that do have answers that do want to fix stuff, it just kind of becomes impossible for any solution. You know, it's like all the red tape and all the hoops and things and all the permits or whatever, like you can't even, you know, the road's blocked. Okay, well, before we could even get somebody out here with a tractor to move the rocks, you got to call 10 other people to get it approved. And in the process and then it's not. And it's like, that's the part I'm just like, man, I wish I could just call Frank down the street with his bulldozer. We'll just go, we'll just go move this right now, you know, and it's
- [70:29]
Joe Rogan
like, you know, well, government has increased so much in California and they just want more regulations so they could justify more government. Government. And so they just regulate themselves to a place where people just want to leave. They just go, look, I can't do this anymore. Let me get out of here.
- [70:45]
Ryan Bingham
And it's expensive, man. It's so expensive to live There, meanwhile, it's beautiful.
- [70:50]
Joe Rogan
It's such a great place. They it up so hard.
- [70:52]
Ryan Bingham
It's paradise.
- [70:53]
Joe Rogan
It's paradise.
- [70:54]
Ryan Bingham
The mountains. Within, like two, three hours, you can be in the Sierras
- [71:01]
Joe Rogan
skiing.
- [71:02]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [71:02]
Joe Rogan
And then swim in the ocean on the same. Same day.
- [71:05]
Ryan Bingham
It's gorgeous. Beautiful places I've ever been. Yosemite, I mean, get out of town, you know.
- [71:10]
Joe Rogan
Incredible weather.
- [71:11]
Ryan Bingham
Kern river, like, man, it's beautiful.
- [71:14]
Joe Rogan
But they got ruined. They got ruined with progressive politics and bureaucracy that just ramped up all the control they have over people to the point where you can't even buy flavored Zins. They banned blackjack. You can't have blackjack anymore. They just stop blackjack in the casinos. They stop flavored Zins. They just. They just regulated into oblivion. They're all these people that want to be. They want to be the mommy of the world and tell you what to do. Like off. Yeah, like off with all your goddamn rules. You're just making your government bigger so you can just justify all these rules. And you need the rules for the government to sustain itself. So you just keep adding more rules and adding more government. Yeah, we were reading about it the other day. Like, what was the number that California's government went up by like 24 and their population went up by like 1%.
- [72:15]
Ryan Bingham
I know now you're running kind of. We're running out of places to go.
- [72:19]
Joe Rogan
I forget what the actual numbers were that we found, but it's.
- [72:22]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I'm always looking for hideouts, you know, to kind of get away from. It's like, man, you. You find a spot to go to, you kind of don't want to tell nobody about it.
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Joe Rogan
I know, right? You know, that's what I hear about West Texas.
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Ryan Bingham
I think that's hard about Montana. You know, when I first started going up there years ago, I mean, it was just such a. And still is. It's a paradise. It's just, you know, and I think that's probably what a lot of people are upset about lived up there. It's like, man, the secret got out a little bit, and I can understand that.
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Joe Rogan
But I get it. I get it from that perspective.
- [72:52]
Ryan Bingham
You gotta let that the next place.
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Joe Rogan
You know, the thing about Montana, though, or like Wyoming, another example, is that winter will thin the herd.
- [73:02]
Ryan Bingham
It's like West Texas. Like, that's funny. Same kind of thing. Like, you know, Marfa and out in that area. You know, I grew up all out there, going to junior rodeos and all kinds of stuff. And it was just ranches you know, and, you know, local diners and stuff like that. And, you know, I hear people going out there and buying houses and, you know, all that stuff. Then they go out there for like a week, and they realize that the only thing open at night's the Dairy Queen. They're heading back to New York pretty quick, you know.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
But the thing you're right about Montana, those winter thin them out.
- [73:32]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, winter gets you. The winter's rough. It's cold. We were. The first time I ever went hunting was with Renella. That's where I got that mule deer that's on the table right there. And it was 9 degrees in October, and we're camping, and so we're sleeping on the ground at nine degrees. I'm like, bro, how did these people. And you also. You go by these old homesteads, so they were giving land out there for people. You just. You can get a chunk of land, just start farming on it. And the government was encouraging people there. But, yeah, it's all this, like, muddy ground. Like, the ground is, like, mucky. Like, when you hike in it after, you know, a while, your boots are so heavy because they're just thick with this clay. Yeah. Just muck all over your. Your boots. And so it's not fertile. It's not good. Like, in the Missouri breaks like that area, it's not good for growing things. So you find these abandoned homesteads. It's really eerie, man. You just think, like, this family that came out here in, like, the 1800s, and they tried to set up shop and maybe got killed by Indians.
- [74:41]
Ryan Bingham
And, you know, maybe all the way, I think about my. My family, and I've got stories, you know, of them settling in New Mexico and, you know, coming out on a. With a. On a covered wagon with maybe a steer and a pig. And then like, yeah, here's you a bunch of acres, and you got to prove it up, you know, and dig a hole in the ground is what they're living in a dugout, you know, Dig a hole in the ground. That's where you're living, and you try to build a ranch out of it. And I always laughed. I was talking to family or my grandparents. I'm like, why did y' all stop here? You just thought you were so beat down. You're like, like, oh, this is the driest, flattest place, you know, but we're here the most roughest, you know. I was like, it's only maybe another thousand miles out to California or just keep going. They're like, nope, this is it. We're done, you know?
- [75:29]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I guess people didn't know what they were gonna find if they kept going either. Like, you want to keep going for like another month?
- [75:36]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, yeah. Just miles and miles of more desert and no water. Yeah.
- [75:41]
Joe Rogan
I mean, how long would that wagon trail take? A week?
- [75:46]
Ryan Bingham
You know, even just like Missouri, Texas, and then out to. Through. Even like just going through west Texas to get to, you know, southeast New Mexico and all that. And you're in, you know, that's just rough country. And the people have always been tough out there.
- [75:59]
Joe Rogan
And you're survive out there.
- [76:01]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [76:01]
Joe Rogan
You're a sitting duck. You're slow moving with a wagon pulling the horn. You got all your. In the wagon and they just looking at you from the hills.
- [76:10]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Wasn't glad. No. I know my, you know, my granddad was pretty tough old guy, and his real cowboys you'd ever want to know or meet, you know, but he wasn't really one to ever brag or, you know, talk or fantasize or romanticize about the cowboy stuff, you know? Cause it. It wasn't romantic then, you know, it was survival and it was rough and it was work, and you had no running water. And I remember him having a conversation with this guy, and he was like some, like a tech guy, you know, invented all this website shit or whatever. And he was asking my granddad, he said, you know, what's the most important invention of your lifetime? And I think he was expecting my granddad to say, like, the computer or the Internet. And my granddad said refrigeration was the most important invent, you know?
- [77:01]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [77:02]
Ryan Bingham
When he was growing up, he was like, they had no way to go keep their food cold, you know, other than like a root cellar. You kept it underground, you know, so it was just a perspective, you know. I think everybody was surprised to hear it.
- [77:13]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, Well, I think people are so accustomed to electricity and so accustomed to things like refrigeration.
- [77:18]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Just like running water. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [77:21]
Joe Rogan
I mean, when there was no refrigeration, you had to eat what you had, you know, like that day, and then the next day you had to get something else.
- [77:29]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [77:30]
Joe Rogan
And unless you knew a place that was an ice house, you know, that would get a giant chunk of ice, and you could have an ice box and stick it in there and cool things like, you're fucked.
- [77:43]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You're on your own. Yeah.
- [77:46]
Joe Rogan
Well, you had to learn how to dry meat. That was a lot of it. Make pemmican, dry meat. Make things That'll survive and last. And. And, you know, that's also how market hunting almost wiped out all the deer in this country because people needed fresh meat every day, so they were just shooting everything that existed.
- [78:07]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [78:07]
Joe Rogan
And then finally they started looking around and going, hey, we lost all the elk. There's no more deer left. Like, let's. Let's make some regulations on this and they stop market hunting.
- [78:18]
Ryan Bingham
I did not know that.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, interesting.
- [78:20]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [78:20]
Joe Rogan
Beginning of the 1800s, by, you know, the time, I guess. When did they start doing regulations in terms of hunting regulations in this country? Because obviously they wiped out almost entirely the American bison. There's all. They're almost gone completely. And, you know, a lot of that was just for tongues.
- [78:42]
Ryan Bingham
Nah, man, that's crazy.
- [78:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They would send them back east, they'd pickle their tongues.
- [78:47]
Ryan Bingham
Then Steve Reynolds have a. Something like a show on them. My buddy was telling me, I haven't seen it yet. They said, really interesting. He's talking about the history of the bison and hunting and all of that. Yeah.
- [78:56]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I think his book's called American Buffalo, but it's really good. First hunting regulations appeared in colonial laws in the 1600s, mainly as seasonal closed seasons for certain game like deer. In terms of nationwide US Law, the first major federal game provision protection statute was the Lacey act of 1900, which targeted commercial and market hunting and interstate trade in illegally taken wildlife. Yeah, There was elk in every state.
- [79:26]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And they.
- [79:27]
Joe Rogan
We wiped them out. And there was deer in every state. But now there's more deer than there ever has been before, which is interesting. Congress passed the Lacey act when modern regulations start.
- [79:39]
Ryan Bingham
Start.
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Joe Rogan
So the 1900s, most states had game and fish commissions, hunting seasons, bag limits, and license requirements, all reinforced by federal laws like Lacey act and later migratory bird protections. Well, it's amazing that they did that. We have an amazing system, too, like the. The fact that the United States has so much public land. You know, there's so many different places where people can go and they can. Can hike, they can white water wrap, they can fish, they can hunt, they can camp. I mean, we're unlike any country when it comes to that. It's like the amount of land that we have that's available to Americans that every. It's public for everybody.
- [80:21]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Is incredible.
- [80:22]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. I mean, being up in Montana and New Mexico's like that too, in California. But up in Montana, when I look, you know, staying in that wilderness area, like that little cabin that I stayed in, you know, probably didn't have much land with the cabin. But man, there's thousands and thousands of acres of wilderness, public land with dirt roads everywhere. And man, I would, you know, on those days off that I had, I would just drive back in there for miles, man, and just see the most beautiful country, you know, and. And I'd haul my horse back in the way that the trail heads and just go explore stuff, you know. And you'd had go over one ridge into the next and there's a waterfall and there's another drainage and it's just like, you know. And this is the wilderness area too. This isn't even a national park, you know, I was like, man, this is beautiful country as I've ever seen.
- [81:12]
Joe Rogan
Did you run into any grizzlies?
- [81:14]
Ryan Bingham
I never did. You know, I was always on my toes about it and I'd talk, you know, knowing Remy up there, he knew that area really well. So I'd kind of ask him spots to go check out and about bears and stuff. And he said, man, there weren't too many grizzlies back in there. But you never know, you know, especially coming over from Idaho and stuff like that. So I never did. I've run into some black bears. Never in any. Any wolves and all that. But you know, I don't know, maybe being horseback too. I don't know a lot of those places did, but I definitely had my eyes open.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's another animal that wants, want to list again and make them available for hunting. Particularly in Montana and Wyoming. They just have a lot of grizzlies. Yeah, they have a lot. And people don't want you to shoot them. They think of it as trophy hunting or whatever it is.
- [82:05]
Ryan Bingham
Like, it's tough, man, but man, you live like you say, like those folks that live back up in there, you know, they all they have is their neighbors and people to depend on, you know, and it's like, man, you get mauled by a bear taking your trash out, you know, or something like that. That's what you, your experience is with them. And you know, everybody wants to keep them as pets until they're in the backyard with you.
- [82:26]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they don't play by the rules. They don't play by the rules. And they're £900. Good luck. £900 giant wild animal that eats everything it can.
- [82:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, even like that. That lion hanging around my house is like, man, cool, you're fine, but why don't you go on down the road, you know?
- [82:43]
Joe Rogan
Yeah,
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Ryan Bingham
I don't need you in my backyard.
- [82:47]
Joe Rogan
The thing is that you can't do anything about it.
- [82:49]
Ryan Bingham
It either.
- [82:49]
Joe Rogan
In Texas, you could just shoot them.
- [82:51]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [82:52]
Joe Rogan
And.
- [82:52]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, we don't have that problem.
- [82:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. That's how it should be.
- [82:55]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [82:56]
Joe Rogan
Like, you shouldn't have wild monsters living in your yard.
- [82:59]
Ryan Bingham
No, you should have. You should have the. The right to decide that for yourself.
- [83:04]
Joe Rogan
100. Not only that, they're going to be fine. There's still going to be plenty of them.
- [83:08]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [83:08]
Joe Rogan
Okay. But it'll probably be a more healthy number if they get whacked whenever they eat someone's dog.
- [83:13]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And have a healthy respect for coming in your backyard or coming out after your animals or your kids. Yeah.
- [83:18]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They. They should understand that. But just, like, we're so goofy. We make laws to protect them that don't protect us. Like, help me out. Like, do you love animals more than people? Like, I love animals, but I'm. I'm on team people.
- [83:36]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
100%.
- [83:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [83:38]
Joe Rogan
Everybody else is cool, but team people first.
- [83:41]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [83:42]
Joe Rogan
You know, oh, we got monsters in every neighborhood, and we got to kill the monsters so the kids can play outside. You don't have to worry about them getting eaten.
- [83:50]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, me too. I mean, growing up ranching or farming or whatever, I mean, that's your job, is to take care of animals, you know? Yeah. Animal husbandry. It's. It's. That's your job, I mean, to take care and provide for these animals, to provide food for your family, you know, and. And the wildlife that's around it, you know, it's like. And to take care of the land and the dirt and. And the water and the grasses and all of that stuff has to be supporting each other to make it all work, you know, and at the end of the day, I just feel like we've just lost touch.
- [84:23]
Joe Rogan
It's cities, you know, it's urban environments, it's unnatural environments that have given people this delusional idea of what our relationship is with nature. And, you know, people just think food comes from a restaurant.
- [84:38]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [84:38]
Joe Rogan
And, you know, the ground is for
- [84:40]
Ryan Bingham
streets and you drive sidewalks.
- [84:43]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [84:43]
Ryan Bingham
Pave it all.
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Joe Rogan
It's all just this delusional perspective that comes from that sort of urban existence. And I just think that's why people that live in the country and live in, you know, environments where you, like Alaska, where you're confronted by nature, they're like more interesting people.
- [85:00]
Ryan Bingham
They're.
- [85:00]
Joe Rogan
They're more robust. They're cooler. Were you saying out there earlier that you rode boys bulls?
- [85:08]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [85:09]
Joe Rogan
Dude, how many times?
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Ryan Bingham
Shoot, I started when I was a kid. You Know riding steers when I was like 10 and the junior rodeos, and
- [85:17]
Joe Rogan
then you were 10 years old and someone let you ride a steer. Really? That's.
- [85:23]
Ryan Bingham
It was just like, it was like little league baseball, you know, where I grew up.
- [85:29]
Joe Rogan
So a steer is a bull that doesn't have its nuts.
- [85:31]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [85:32]
Joe Rogan
And so how much, much less do they kick when they don't have their nuts?
- [85:35]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, they're a lot. They're pretty dogs.
- [85:39]
Joe Rogan
How old are you here?
- [85:41]
Ryan Bingham
This is. I was like 17. This is in Monterey, Mexico, actually.
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Joe Rogan
Wow. Why in Mexico? Look at you, dog. Damn. That's crazy. Damn. Dude, you're good. And you got off without getting stomped too. Is it just knowing when to release?
- [86:02]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, you got to know. You got to know when to get off, that's for sure.
- [86:05]
Joe Rogan
And right there, you're like, that's a wrap.
- [86:08]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, he kind of bucked me off there. He kind of had me over to the side there, you know, but that's a good time to check out. There's like that gray zone, you know, either that or you hang on and you end up underneath them.
- [86:19]
Joe Rogan
You started out when you were 10 years old, though. How wild are your parents? Like. Yeah, that's a good age.
- [86:24]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, well, they, you know, they ranched and grew up out there and my uncle rode bulls professionally and.
- [86:29]
Joe Rogan
Oh, really?
- [86:30]
Ryan Bingham
Ye. Yeah. And that's kind of how I got into it too. I looked up to him a lot and see pictures of him riding bulls. And then it was just around and I was like, I want to go try that, you know, and man, I just got the bug for it, like super young. I was like, just ate up with it. Just.
- [86:47]
Joe Rogan
Wow. From 10 years old, that's nuts.
- [86:49]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [86:50]
Joe Rogan
And so how do you teach someone how to fall off of a bull without getting stomped when they're 10?
- [86:56]
Ryan Bingham
Well, when you're riding those little steers, you know, a lot of time they cut bulls and turn them into steers. It makes them a lot more dog. Also, steers are, you know, typically like 600 pounds, 6, 700 pounds, you know, compared to 1500 pound bull. That's aggressive and you know, back that wide and horns like that, you know, they're like little steer, you know, I remember my dad or uncle would get in the chute with me and hold their horns, you know, and like these times they just kind of run out there and jump and kick and fall off on the side. Yeah, not too bad. And then you kind of graduate up into like the junior bulls and then the bigger bulls and then all and then the harder they buck, you know, so there's kind of different levels. You can progress as you. As you go, but it was a lot different deal back then. When I was riding, it was really before the PBR started. You know, there was no helmets, there was no vests. There was like none of that stuff. It was just old school rodeo, you know. But at the same time, I say that, but, you know, it's evolved in such a sport now. Like, the bulls are just so much ranker now than they were back then. You know, it's like now they're breeding them like racehorses and the genetics where every one of those bulls, you know, bucks, you know, and like, you got to go to get on three or four of them in a night. You know, back when I was doing it, we'd go to the. They were still kind of full rodeos with all the other events. And, you know, out of 15 or 20 bulls, there might be one or two in there that were like, bad to get on that would hurt you, you know, the rest of them were pretty rideable, you know, to say so. And, you know, we're smoking cigarettes and drinking beer back behind the chutes. So, you know, that kind of a thing, you know, we. We weren't training and doing yoga and like all these guys are today, you know. But I loved it. I had so much fun and I loved the road part of it, you know, get in the truck with. With your best buds and go down the road on the weekends and there's always a band playing and, you know, it was just. It was so much fun. I love the culture of it. And it's just good times, you know.
- [88:59]
Joe Rogan
How many times you think you've rode bulls?
- [89:01]
Ryan Bingham
I mean, I rode till I was
- [89:02]
Joe Rogan
about 23, from 10 to 23. Wow.
- [89:06]
Ryan Bingham
That was all I ever wanted to do when I was like, really? Yeah. I wanted to just ride bulls. Yeah. And, you know, I rode in high school, rode junior rodeos, road bulls in high school. And then I went to Tarleton State and Stephenville and rode bulls for Tarleton. And then I got my pro card for a couple of years. And that was when, like, the PBR was like starting up and all of that. And wow, it got intense backwards on one.
- [89:35]
Joe Rogan
What, Jamie?
- [89:36]
Ryan Bingham
There's one picture I just lost. He was backwards. Backwards on it. Oh, yeah. I was probably getting there it is. That's probably getting dusted. Oh, no, that's not.
- [89:44]
Joe Rogan
That's not backwards.
- [89:45]
Ryan Bingham
That guy is riding backwards. I don't know if that's on purpose.
- [89:53]
Joe Rogan
It seems like a rich.
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Ryan Bingham
He pulled it off if he did. Yeah.
- [89:56]
Joe Rogan
What a terrible choice.
- [89:59]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, it was cool, though. I loved it, man. I loved it.
- [90:04]
Joe Rogan
How do you go from that to anything else? Like, how do you stop riding bulls and eventually become an actor and a singer?
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Ryan Bingham
It was all very much a kind of a natural progression, you know, since I was a kid at the junior rodeos, there was always a dance afterward and a band playing, you know. And it was a very much a family, community deal, you know, like, you go to these towns and the rodeo was going on and then the dance, street dance and food and music and, you know, growing up listening to bands play, especially in Texas, you know, you got all the guys, like Gary P. Nunn. I remember he always played the dance halls and you get Robert Earl Keane and some of the, you know, hearing those bands. And I moved to Laredo, Texas, when I was like 16 or 17, when my dad and my mother had bought me a guitar and. And didn't know how to play it much, and walked into this place my dad was living at and he was playing dominoes with these guys. And this guy saw my guitar and he's like, yeah, you know how to play that thing? I said, no. And he said, well, let me see it. And he picked it up and he played this killer, like, mariachi song called La Malagania. And I was just fascinated with it. I was just like, wow, I can't believe he made that guitar sound like that. I've been dragging that thing around for a couple years. I didn't know how to tune it up. And he's like, you want to learn how to play this guitar? I said, yeah. He said, let me show you this song. And he taught me the Malagania. It had a couple little parts, you know, a finger picking part, a strumming part. And it really kind of gave me that foundation, you know, just kind of those few little tools. And then I went up to Stephenville to ride bulls at Tarleton after that, and a couple other friends that I'd met there that rodeoed could play the guitar a little bit. And they had bands that played every week in the town. There's a little bar there called City Limits where all these bands would come play, like Jason Boland and the Cross Canadian Rag Week guys and Pat Green and Robert Earl Keane, like, all the Texas guys would come play, you know. So I was like, I went from being on the border to kind of just mostly like the Carrillos and Tejano bands that I would See, which was really cool. But when I got up there, I was like, oh, man, there's all these, like, cool kind of song, you know, guys writing original music and songs and playing in bands and. And we'd go watch them all the time. And as I was still rodeoing, the only song I knew was that Malaga tune. So I was like, I gotta come up with some new stuff. This is all I know how to play. I went and got a book of chords to teach myself some new chords on the guitar and just learn one or two at a time. And I'd start making up songs about our adventures on the weekends. A lot of it was just sitting in the back of the truck and being in places where you didn't have radio signal or, you know, nothing to really listen to. You're tired of listening to the same old stuff. And I'd make up songs, and then whatever town we would get to, my buddies, be like, man, play that song you were singing in the back seat, you know. And so that's how the whole songwriting thing started. And then I ended up getting a job working for a guy named Mac Altizer. He had a rodeo company called Bag Co. Rodeo and Del Rio. And I'd ridden bulls at some of his rodeos and knew him. My uncle had knew him, you know, know, over the years. And so I was kind of familiar with. With that whole thing and started working for him on the ranch and helping with some of the rodeo stuff and still riding bulls. And he found out that I could play the guitar and. And sing a few songs. And he always had a party at the rodeo. He was kind of notorious and famous for having, like, just awesome parties. And he's like, man, all right, Bingham, get your guitar. You're going to play, like the after party, you know, and pull the flatbed trailer up there for the hospitality tent for all the contestants after the rodeo. And those are, like, the first. He really encouraged me to, like, start playing for people and doing that, and then it would just spill over into the bars afterwards after the rodeo. And everybody would end up going to the bar, and they're always like, bingham, bring your guitar with you. And I started getting gigs in the bars. The bars would ask me if I wanted to come back and play. And just after, like, I feel like a few years of that, it was just like, you know, I was kind of a weekend warrior riding bulls. I was definitely not going to making a living doing it. Always had had to have a day job during the week, you know, either working on the ranch or doing something. And I started getting to where I could go to these bars and make like 100 bucks in tips, you know, within a couple of hours and get free beer and free food. And I was like, man, this is almost as much as I made all day digging holes with the shovel, you know, it didn't take me long to figure out that that was pretty cool. And I was just like, I'm going to stick to with it, you know,
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Joe Rogan
what an organic sort of a journey, you know, like a natural progression.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And I didn't have high expectations, you know, but I just like. And I was talking about kind of community in this Austin area and in Texas in general. It's just like, man, people were so supportive then. I'm just like, if you had a song to play it. People love live music. They're like, yeah, get up and play, you know, like Mac with the rodeo company and all the guys that worked there, Dave J. And Casey and Smurt. There's a whole crew, the Bad Company crew from those days. And they always had kind of the Bad Company house band, too, where everybody would get up and try to play a song. And it's just like, man, we don't care if it's any good or not. Just get up there and play. We're all in it together. And there were so many places that were like that that I don't think if I was in that environment, I probably would have never pursued it, you know, I just had so many people, you know, supporting you and encouraging you to try it. And it took me a long time, you know, to work stuff out and learn because I didn't have any really formal music, musical background or lessons or training. I really just learned it on the road and playing in bars and from other musicians, you know, really?
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Joe Rogan
So no lessons at all? Just kind of figuring it out along the way?
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, well, they got, you know, the guy taught me the La Malaga there. But then after that, it was just, you know, anybody else who had a guitar might know a song, you know, I'm like, oh, what? Cool. How do you play that chord? You know? Oh, you play it like this, you know.
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Joe Rogan
Wow. So how many years were you doing that before you got Yellowstone?
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Ryan Bingham
Oh, gosh, for a while. I mean, I think my, you know, I was 22 or something like that in Stephenville, you know, Ryan Bull starting to play songs, trying to play gigs after, you know, ended up moving down here to New Braunfels in the Austin area, playing music for a while, and then ended up going out to Los Angeles and playing and then hit the road with a band for. I think I had four or five albums or so, you know, out, you know, and been touring for five or six years, I think. How old was I, like, when Yellowstone started? Like, 36, 37. So, yeah, I'd been playing, doing the music stuff for a long time.
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Joe Rogan
And. So how did the Yellowstone. How did you go from music to Yellowstone? Like, how did you even. Did you do any acting before that?
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Ryan Bingham
No, I'd been one. I'd done a film with Jeff Bridges years ago called Crazy Heart and wrote some songs for that movie. And that was really my own thing.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, that was a good movie.
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Ryan Bingham
It was pretty cool, you know, I was just like, jeff Bridges plays a musician in the show, and we're like the backup band at the bowling alley for one of the scenes, which was really cool. And then written some songs for some other films and some TV shows since then. And I met a guy named John Linson out in Los Angeles, a producer. And him and his dad, Art Linson, they did, like, Sons of Anarchy, a bunch of shows and a bunch of great movies. Movies. And he introduced me to Taylor, and Taylor was. I think it was that movie Wind river, his first movie. You know, I'd met Taylor and just kind of talk about music and stuff, and he wanted me to write a song for Wind river. And I'd given it a shot a couple times. Never really had anything that fit for what he wanted. But he ended up using a song that I'd already written, and we just kind of kept in touch. And then when the Yellowstone thing came, came up, he got in touch again about writing some songs for the show. And then he learned that I used to do all the rodeo stuff, I think, and grew up ranching. And he's like, well, shoot, you can do a lot of this stuff. I gotta find a way to get you in the show, you know? And it literally went from the conversation. He was like, well, I don't know what I'm gonna do with you, but I'll find something to do with you, you know? And he literally said. He's like, you know, if you do good, I'll. You know. He goes, if you suck, I'll kill you off. If you do good, I'll keep you
- [98:38]
Joe Rogan
on
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Ryan Bingham
something like that, you know, I'm like, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
No formal acting, like training or anything?
- [98:46]
Ryan Bingham
No, not at all.
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Joe Rogan
That's what's amazing, dude. You're really good.
- [98:50]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, I appreciate that. You know, I. I get to kind of play a cowboy and Be a little bit about of myself. I appreciate it.
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Joe Rogan
It's. That role's got some complexity to it. It's not just a cowboy. It's like you've got some complicated scenes, you know, some emotional scenes, some deep scenes, and you're really good, man.
- [99:09]
Ryan Bingham
Thank you.
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Joe Rogan
That's impressive.
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Ryan Bingham
I appreciate that. It was. I enjoyed it. You know, I hadn't done much acting at all, and I got to give a lot of credit to the actors that are on the show, too. You know, those folks that have really studied it and paid their dues learning that craft, you know, they really create the environment, you know, especially for me, not knowing much about it, you know, and just kind of being a part of the scene. Like, they're so good that they make you react in a certain way.
- [99:36]
Joe Rogan
Right.
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Ryan Bingham
You know, they know how to get it. It out of you. You know, Cole and Kelly, Luke and all those folks, you know, they're like, they. They know how to set up the scene, and they know what they're doing, so they already kind of have the whole thing set up. And so when I walk into a scene and they say they're lying to me, it's just like, oh, okay, yeah, I gotta answer. Right? Like, I'm just like, kind of, like, naturally, you know, answering that, you know. Right, right.
- [100:01]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's like if you work with a really good actor, sometimes you forget they're acting like, oh, like, oh, yeah, we're acting like, you seem like this is really happening.
- [100:10]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, like, I think it was moments when I thought it was really happening.
- [100:14]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. How long did it take before you got comfortable, like, doing that on camera?
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Ryan Bingham
Still not.
- [100:19]
Joe Rogan
Really?
- [100:20]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, still not. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Well, you play it off good.
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Ryan Bingham
Well, thanks. You know, I think some of it comes from the riding bulls. You know, you learn how to channel that anxiety or fear into just like, oh, okay, it's go time. Let's just, like, pull it together and channel that, you know, if you could
- [100:36]
Joe Rogan
ride a bull, I think you could kind of do basically anything, man.
- [100:41]
Ryan Bingham
You know, that's one thing my uncle taught me when I was young. You know, he was really quick to be like, man, it doesn't matter how strong you are, you know, it's not about. It's all mental. It's all in your mind, and it's all. It's not. I think I can. It's. I know I can and I will, you know? And he goes, if you don't. If you don't believe that every time you go put your rope on one of those on their backs. He's like, it ain't gonna happen. Yeah. He says, you don't. It's not being cocky. It's just being confident, you know, and believing in yourself and having that power of mind over matter, you know?
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. If you could do that, acting's easy
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Ryan Bingham
and take that in anything in life.
- [101:20]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
And I do, because I definitely have moments where, you know, I'm like, oof. Okay, take a deep breath. Right. Let's go. Time. Let's go. You know.
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Joe Rogan
Well, especially having more than a decade of doing that with bulls like that, that's so uncontrollable. Like, it is like you're at the mercy of fate and how this plays out.
- [101:44]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And you have this enormous beast, and you've chosen to scare the out of yourself, get on top of this thing and try to ride it.
- [101:52]
Ryan Bingham
You chose it to join the dance. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
If you can do that. If you can do that and be successful at that, I kind of think you could do anything. I think that. That. I mean, I wouldn't want my kid to do it at 10, but it's probably. If they could survive, pretty valuable.
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Ryan Bingham
I love. I really pick two of the easiest professions, you know, like riding bulls and playing music, like. Right.
- [102:14]
Joe Rogan
Two. Two that have the least amount of success ratio.
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Ryan Bingham
Impossible tasks, you know.
- [102:20]
Joe Rogan
Well, did you ever get any serious injuries?
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Ryan Bingham
You know, I was fortunate. Like, not serious here. There was one divorce I ever. I got knocked all these teeth out. I got jerked down one night in Weatherford and took my lip off and my teeth went through down here. And these are all fake up here. And then my lip was just hanging by the thread. What was. It didn't knock me out. Which was wild, though. I got on this bull and I remember it was in Weatherford, Texas, and it's got a butler arena there. And he had this little Angus bull there. Didn't have horns on him. Little muley. And usually you can go up to the guys that own the bulls, and a lot of the bulls have patterns, you know, that they'll do over and over, you know, so you can kind of talk to the stock contractor, the guys that own him, and be like, hey, what's this bull generally do? He's like, most of the time, they'll take two jumps out and they spin to the left, or they take two jumps and they go to the right or. Oh, they just, you know, they'll jump, kick around and make a circle. And he goes, man, he goes. I don't know. He's like, the last two times I've bucked, he's never. He hadn't been ridden. He usually jumps out there and just spins right in the gate. And he said, nobody's really ridden him past three or four seconds. So he goes, I don't know what he's gonna do after that. And sure enough, that's what happened. I got on him, and he jumped out and just got it on right there in the gate, just spinning right there. And I rode him through it like three or four races rounds. And after I rode him, like, I think the bully didn't know what to do next. He got a little frustrated, and he just stopped and just stopped dead, still just blowing and just, you know, just mad. And you never really want to jump off of them when they're still like that because you just. You'll fall right beside them, you know, so you want them to have a little momentum, so when you, you know, you're checking out, they can. You can get away from them, Right. And so I spurred him a little bit to get him to jump. So when he jumped, I could jump off. But when I spurred him, it just jumped off, straight up off the ground like a cat off all fours. And when he came crack. And when he jumped up like that, I, you know, kind of rocked me back on back like that. My hand's still tight in the rope. And then when he came down, he just brought all that, jerked me down with the force, and I came forward, and he threw his head back, and I just headbutted him.
- [104:29]
Joe Rogan
Oh.
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Ryan Bingham
And when he did, and then my hand was still caught in the rope. And then he took off running around, just drugged me around and just stomped the crap out of me, you know, for a bit. And I finally got loose. And I remember running over to the fence, and I just, you know, I kind of had my arms on the fence, and I could see all the blood just kind of pouring down all over me. And one of the bull fighters ran up, and he looks at me, goes, oh, buddy. He's like, whoo.
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Joe Rogan
So they have to stitch your lip back on.
- [105:02]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You know, and the shock was just. I didn't feel anything. Like, I was just, like, in shock. And I was like, oh, man. You know, I remember, like, my girlfriend was there from high school, and my buddy. And we drove to the little. You know, they're like, you want to call ambulance? I was like, nah, I don't have health insurance to call no ambulance, you know, and got my buddy's car, and we drove her over to the emergency room in Weatherford. And I go in, and the nurse, she's just like, oh, man. She's like, we can't do anything for you. You here. You're gonna have to go to, like, Dallas to, like, trauma, you know, you're gonna get, like, an oral surgeon to put you back together. And she goes, you want me to, you know, get you an ambulance there? And I was like, no, I think we can make it, you know? And she's like. She gave me some pain pills. She goes, don't take these now. She goes, hold onto these. And then when you get to Dallas, then take them. Cause you're probably gonna have to wait, you know, before they can. Because three or four in the morning, before they can get somebody in there to see us. And sure enough, we got to Dallas, and I'm just sitting there in the waiting room, and I had a rag, and I was just holding my mouth together. And the shock wore off, man. And then it's. You know, I was starting to feel it. Took those pain meds, and then doctor came in and held me back and gave me a big shot in the roof of my mouth. Try to numb everything and just. I think it took them longer to clean it all up, you know, pull all the hair and dirt out of there and sew me up up and the T. Oh, it was an ordeal, you know, for sure, for months after that, you know, getting the dental work done, all that crap.
- [106:31]
Joe Rogan
So how was the. The lip hanging off?
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Ryan Bingham
It bit it all. It would have came all the way off. It was just hanging on right here by the side, so it was just hanging down.
- [106:40]
Joe Rogan
And so they just had to stitch the lower part to the upper part and put it all together again.
- [106:44]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Just all right through the middle. And kind of if I shave, I got a big scar that kind of goes down there. And then they went through down here. So I got some stitches down there. And then most of the stitches were all in my. My gums and all of that, so
- [106:57]
Joe Rogan
they had to put, like, posts and implants and all that stuff.
- [107:00]
Ryan Bingham
Wow. Yeah.
- [107:02]
Joe Rogan
That takes forever, huh?
- [107:03]
Ryan Bingham
Kind of knocked the front four out, and then it just dominoed the rest of them. Man, just
- [107:10]
Joe Rogan
riding bulls with no health insurance is wild. That's crazy, man. That's crazy.
- [107:20]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. That was just life back then for me. You know, I think going into the music stuff was like. I don't know. I just wasn't really scared about it or even the expectations of making it or. I mean, to me at the time, I had a Truck and a camper on it. And I was like, man, I was like, I got no bills. I got no responsibilities. I can just, like, go make a hundred bucks a night playing music in a bar. I was like, this is the dream, you know, I'm like, I. I made it. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Well, I think when you've done something super, super difficult, everything else seems easier. And if you've done what you did with riding bulls for that long, like, the music business is, like, that's the worst that could happen.
- [108:02]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Even the travel part. Yeah. Like, you know, in the early days of playing, when I really decided I was going to try to make a run and play, you know, and it like, oh, what, we got to get in the van and go drive around and play in bars, you know, I was like, we've been doing that rodeoing for years. You know, we sleep in the back of the truck or whatever. And it was fun for us. We loved it. Yeah. So the idea of, like, starving on the road, playing in a band, playing music, I was like, let's go. And getting a guaranteed paycheck every night, you know?
- [108:35]
Joe Rogan
Right. The gratitude you must have.
- [108:36]
Ryan Bingham
The riding bulls. I mean, half the time, you know, you walked away with no. Nothing. Right. You know, a busted lip. Nothing, you know? Yeah.
- [108:44]
Joe Rogan
And no health insurance, and you're risking your life and there's not a bunch of people that love you.
- [108:48]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Well, it's a great base to start out from, you know, I mean, it sounds like. It's almost like the universe engineered this path for you to go down. Like, if you wanted to pick a path.
- [109:03]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
That would bring you to where you are right now. It is the perfect set of circles. Circumstances.
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Ryan Bingham
I look at it all the time, you know, just from an outside perspective, I guess, and just like, wow, how in the world all this come together and just a lot of luck and perseverance or whatever. I wouldn't say I haven't worked hard at it, you know, I feel like I have and all that, but there's a lot of luck out there and a lot of good people, too. A lot of good people helped me out along the way and gave me gas money. Money. And gave me a place to sleep or place to eat and helped us get other gigs and other. I mean, I remember going from one town to the next and not having gas money to get to the next and having no plan other than like, let's just head west or head east. And, you know, you'd go play at a bar, and sure enough, there'd be somebody there that would be like, oh, man, y' all should come back to my house. We'll have bonfire and play some songs. And he's like, oh, my brother's got a bar in Phoenix. And you know, he's like, call them on your way out. You know, we'd go there and we'd always like, chop firewood or wash dishes or wouldn't mow your lawn or wash your car on the way, too, to get gas money and keep on going. Wow. So that was just kind of how and always I felt like I learned early if you were willing to help yourself, you know, people would help you all day long.
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Joe Rogan
I think luck is a factor, but it's only a factor if you've already had all those other experiences. Experiences. Like, think about it. If you hadn't ridden bulls, you hadn't gone through all the ranching, all the hard labor, all the different things, then, like, you probably wouldn't have capitalized on that luck the same way.
- [110:41]
Ryan Bingham
No, not at all.
- [110:42]
Joe Rogan
Your character wouldn't be the same.
- [110:44]
Ryan Bingham
No.
- [110:44]
Joe Rogan
You know, it's like part. Part of who you are is the character that you've developed from what you've done.
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Ryan Bingham
It kind of conditioned me to do it in a big way.
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Joe Rogan
It seems like it's your life. It almost like it's engineered for this to happen the way it happened. It's kind of crazy.
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Ryan Bingham
It's been cool, man.
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Joe Rogan
I feel very storybook, you know? Yeah. Very like movie. Like a plot in a movie. Guy who's a cowboy, bull rider, starts singing songs. People like, hey, you should probably do this for a living. And then someone's like, hey, man, you should be on tv, you know? And the next thing you know, you're on one of the biggest hits in the world.
- [111:22]
Ryan Bingham
I feel like that's that song. One day they're gonna put me in the movie. I was like, how am I living this thing right now? You know? It's like, I know I meet people all the time. They're like, oh, like, you know, they can't really believe where I'm from or whatever. They just think it's some, like, made up story. Yeah, all right, man. You know?
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Joe Rogan
Well, it seems like a story that someone would make up if they wanted to pretend to be a cowboy.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, well, I think a lot of people have.
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Joe Rogan
I bet, right? I bet. Yeah.
- [111:52]
Ryan Bingham
And a lot of people still do. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Isn't that funny? That's funny. That's like stolen valor almost.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You know, like in all kinds of stuff. You Know, professions or whatever, you know, people pretend to be the.
- [112:05]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- [112:05]
Ryan Bingham
What it is.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
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Ryan Bingham
Would you mind if I went to the restroom?
- [112:08]
Joe Rogan
Oh, no, no, not at all. I totally understand.
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Ryan Bingham
I want to keep talking about. I don't want to stop this.
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Joe Rogan
Let's pause, take a leak. We'll be right back, folks. And we're back. Yeah, it's. It's kind of funny that people would want to fake the life that you've lived, but that is such a romantic story. Like, it's such a. It's such a movie that it makes sense that people want to fake it. It's got to be weird walking around like having lived a life that people would want to fake and pretend that they lived.
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Ryan Bingham
It is. It is sometimes, you know, and it's like, you know, I remember when I really started for, you know, playing music and stuff. I mean, I wore a cowboy hat all the time. That's. That's what I rode bulls and, you know, it was my. Very much my identity, you know. No, cowboy stuff wasn't really cool then. You know, I like feel like in the early 2000s and all of that, you know, and there wasn't a lot of big. There wasn't a big Americana scene or, you know, any of that kind of stuff, you know, and definitely going to New York or going to Los Angeles and touring around, like I'd be the only one wearing a cowboy hat, you
- [113:15]
Joe Rogan
know,
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Ryan Bingham
I remember, I think the first I. One time I was in la, we were out on the Santa Monica pier and there was a guy that had like the one man band thing, you know, out there and there's all these tourists on the pier and I'm just like out there checking out the scenery and just minding my own business. And this guy gets on the microphone and he just points over at me, goes, oh, broke that mountain. And everybody on the pier turned around and looked at me. They're just pointing at me and laughing at me and I'm just like, ah, okay. You know, So I was like, that was the association with the cowboys Cowboy had at the time.
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Joe Rogan
That's hilarious. Yeah, they changed cowboys for a while.
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Ryan Bingham
Now it's a whole new ball game
- [113:57]
Joe Rogan
throw a whole new monkey wrench into that. That legend.
- [114:02]
Ryan Bingham
But, you know, now playing. And man, I'm so stoked to see all these new bands out there and like so many young folks playing actual instruments, you know, it felt like for a long time they were so electronic and DJs and all right stuff, you
- [114:15]
Joe Rogan
know, and, well, there's A giant country comeback that's going on right now kind of nationwide. I'm sure you love Open the Gates Zach Brian song. Yeah, that's such a great bull riding song, man.
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Ryan Bingham
They got some great tunes, man.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, that's a great bull riding song. But there's. There's so many great musicians out there now and also who've lived, like, different, but very. Like Charlie Crockett. What a fascinating dude that guy is. Like, just kind of performing on the streets and.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [114:45]
Joe Rogan
You know, just being kind of a vagabond, traveling around and then finally catches. And people like, damn, this music is great, man.
- [114:54]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, like, wearing it on their sleeves, you know, and having the confidence to. I think people have always been. I think there has been plenty of folks out there, you know, writing from the heart and so to speak and all that. And, you know, having a certain integrity to the things that they're saying and wanted to, you know, the truth in their. Speaking into their songs and things like that. Yeah, there's just a. There's a lot more of a platform to support them, you know, and. And like, people like, oh, wow, there's a. There's a bunch of this stuff out
- [115:22]
Joe Rogan
there, you know, there's also an appreciation for it because I think we're all fearful that people like you won't exist in the future because it seems like a guy like you, you know, bull riding, living on a ranch like that, singing songs in bars. Far as. Like, that almost is like a thing of the past.
- [115:40]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, very much.
- [115:41]
Joe Rogan
But it's so romantic to people that, like, when we meet a guy like you in real life, you're like, oh, keep him around. You know, like, you want to make sure that people like you still exist. It's a very exciting thing for people to have a person who's lived an authentically interesting life and authentically out of the box life. It's not a normal life life like you. You're. If you meet a million people, the odds of you meeting one guy who used to bull ride and then started singing in bars with his friends and was happy living on the road. Now all of a sudden, he's on a gigantic television show. It's not even one in a million.
- [116:23]
Ryan Bingham
It's pretty. It's strange. Sometimes I, you know, I meet people and like, you know, I like, oh, yeah, I grew up just like you, you know, and then I really realized, like, I don't think I did. I kind of have to think about it myself. I was like, no, you definitely didn't.
- [116:40]
Joe Rogan
You wrote a bull when you were 10, dude. Okay. Most people, when they're 10, they're playing with GI Joes.
- [116:45]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [116:45]
Joe Rogan
You know, they're not riding bulls. That's a very unusual setup for the rest of your life. You know, if you can. I think if you do some things difficult when you're really young, you. You get accustomed to fear. You get accustomed to anxiety and nerve nerves. And the thing that, I mean that, that is like the mark of a man. Like, a man is his ability to be in a very high stress situation and keep his together, you know, and to have gone through a lot of that when you're very young, like riding a bull at 10 is crazy. To gone through that when you're very young, it just develops the kind of character that allows you to kind of do anything in life. And I think, think most men see that and they wish they were like that.
- [117:31]
Ryan Bingham
I remember a moment, you know, it was really when I was, you know, riding steers, and then I made that transition to the big bulls, you know, and it wasn't like, oh, here's this, like this little steer and then there's an in between and then there's the big. It was like this little steer and then this big bull, you know. And I went to. It was a junior rodeo in Odessa, Texas, and it was my first year to ride junior bulls. And I entered the. The bull ride and my uncle was there with me. And they started running the bulls up into the chutes. And they were big. They were like backs that wide and horns sticking outside of the chutes, you know, and they were big, but they didn't. They didn't buck that hard, you know, they just kind of jumped kick down, but they were still big, you know. And like, I remember like scared and like in tears, you know, kind of. I was scared. And my uncle, you know, was super cool about it. He wasn't like, you have to do this or you have to. He's like, man, whatever you want to do, you know, you want to pack it up, we'll. We'll get out of here right now. It's like, this is either for you or it's not for you, you know? And I remember just him telling me, you want to take like 20, 30 minutes and just kind of think about it and whatever you want to do, we'll make happen, you know. And I did. I kind of walked around there for a bit and. And I just had this. Some kind of like, I knew I would regret it if I didn't do it. Didn't try it. You know, there was something in me where like. I mean. Cause I slept it, I dreamt about it, you know, I just, I loved it. And I was like, nah, I'm gonna do this, you know. And I put my rope on him and had all the support there that I needed in that moment. And they opened the gate and this big old high horned bully on it, he just turned and kind of jumped out there real docile. And I think I rode him two or three jumps and fell off. And it was just like, I'm the king of the world. I was like, I'm a bull rider now, you know, I'm not just the steer rider, kid. You know, I kind of made that level. And I remember after that I just, man, I just craved it. Like just the higher they jump, the faster they spin, the better I like it. Really? Oh, just. Yeah, dirty rank. Just run them in there. Let's go. And when I was, when I was little, I mean when I was like 14 or 15, you know, the guys were starting to breed the bulls for like the pbr. They full on started these like breeding programs, you know, Used to you could go to a practice pen and you know, be an old farmer that had two or three old bulls that you could get on and practice and they just jump around and just, you know, nothing is really going to hurt you bad, you know. And then I started breeding these young bulls and man, you got go to the practice pen. There'd be 10 or 15 of these like yearlings that bucked and they needed somebody to get on them, you know, like test pilot. And I was the test pilot. There's a guy named Bradley Raspberry, I believe, kind of in Brownwood. I remember going to his house and I could ride, I could ride. I was pretty sticky when I could ride a lot better when I was younger than I was when I got older. You know, for some reason I just had that, no fear, whatever that was. And I'd get on 10 or 15 a day and just. They just kept running them in there, man. They'd be trying to flip over in the shoot and just, you know, they're young green bulls that were half wild and, and they're just trying to figure out which ones bucked and which ones didn't. And they would, you know, they'd get rid of the ones that didn't buck and keep the ones that did. And man, I'd just be like, the wilder they got in the shoot, like the more aggressive I. I got. Like, I just like, like, okay, that's what we're gonna do. Come on, let's go. Let's. Let's do this. You know, I was nuts, you know.
- [121:05]
Joe Rogan
God, that's so crazy. That's such a crazy way to live your life, you know? Wild bulls, you say wild, like the ones that are out there in the wild, they're some of the most dangerous animals that you could ever encounter. When they're act like they call them scrub bulls. Like my buddy Adam, he lives in Australia or he's moving to America. But yeah, when he lived in Australia, Australia, he said that they would encounter these scrub bulls, which is like wild domestic bulls that got out and started breeding. And then they. Many generations later, they're now completely wild.
- [121:38]
Ryan Bingham
They're like deer out there. Yeah.
- [121:40]
Joe Rogan
And they will run after you.
- [121:42]
Ryan Bingham
I knew these three guys from Australia that. That or several Australian guys that came over, lived in Stephenville. A lot of these cowboys have moved to Stephenville because it's so central. It's kind of cowboy capital there. And his name was Lance Kelly. Had some brothers, and they were from up there in North Queensland somewhere. And one summer he went back to work. And then when he came back, he wanted. He'd tell me about where he was from all the time. You know, I was young, curious. I was always fascinated, like, wow, you're from Australia. You know, I've only seen movies, you know, like, what's the. Oh, gosh, Crocodile Dundee. No, man from down. Man from Snowy river now, which was a. Anyway, but I was fascinated with Australia and him and his brothers. And so he went home and he had videotaped a vhs. You know, he didn't have phones back then, but it was like the old cam VHS tape recorder. And he'd video or duct taped it around his body while he was walking around working on the ranch. And he'd have his four wheeler in there chasing these wild cattle and rounding them up, him and his brother, brothers. And he would just like chase them on a four wheeler as long as, you know, keep them running until they got so tired they couldn't go anymore. And then he had this piece of pipe on there. He could run up behind them and kind of knock them down. And then he'd jump off and tie their legs together and they would catch a bunch of them like that. And then his brother would come by, you know, later with a truck and a winch and winch them up into the trailer and they would catch all these wild cows like that. And to be able to see that footage and Stuff, Stuff. And have him tell me how they were doing it and show him. I was like, oh, that's the coolest thing in the world. I want to go. When can I go?
- [123:16]
Joe Rogan
You know, Australia is such a crazy place, man. It is. I mean, it's bigger than the United States and it. Or the size of the United States, roughly. And it has less people than Los Angeles.
- [123:29]
Ryan Bingham
And everything will kill you.
- [123:31]
Joe Rogan
Everything will kill you. Every snake, spider, every snake crocodile. They have saltwater crocodiles and giant great white sharks and hearty people, man.
- [123:43]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [123:44]
Joe Rogan
Hardy come from that place.
- [123:46]
Ryan Bingham
I feel like. I feel like Texas and a lot of folks from Australia a bit kindred spirits.
- [123:50]
Joe Rogan
Yes. Yeah, I think so, too. My buddy James McCann was on the podcast yesterday. He's a comic out of Australia, and he's from there and he spends time here. He was living here for a while, but he had to move back. Back because he had another kid. And. But now he's coming back and forth and trying to figure. He's really talented.
- [124:06]
Ryan Bingham
He's trying to. Austin.
- [124:08]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he was living in Austin for a couple years and living in America for a couple years, living in Austin for about a year. But, you know, his wife's about to have another kid and they just decided to go back to Australia where she's got support. But, man, he misses it. He was here. He's like, mate, I miss it so much. Yeah, I miss it so much. Like. Like, I think there's any place like this place, it's pretty awesome. But Australia, it's like, it's the same kind of thing. It's like, it's a rugged place. And the kind of people that live there, they're fun. They're fun. Kind of got a super up, oppressive government, unfortunately.
- [124:45]
Ryan Bingham
I think it's a lot about what you say too, you know, when you survive certain things in your life and, you know, it puts things in perspective of what you're taking seriously. Or what's a. What's an emerg. Urgency, Right?
- [124:59]
Joe Rogan
What's right.
- [124:59]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, is this.
- [125:00]
Joe Rogan
This.
- [125:01]
Ryan Bingham
Is. This is life or death or is it not? Or, you know, and to be able to laugh at stuff, man, I love comedians. It's just like, man, to be able to just joke and cut stuff about the most serious things or whatever it is like, God, we need that so much.
- [125:16]
Joe Rogan
You know, it's an important service. It doesn't seem like it is to people because it seems stupid and like, oh, you're just telling jokes. Like, not for. For me, when I go and watch a good Comedy show. I feel better. It's medicine. And I think it also puts life into perspective with a sense of humor. You can kind of look at things through a different lens and go, yeah, we're probably going to be all right.
- [125:38]
Ryan Bingham
I get a feeling like, you know, I think a lot of folks have this idea that songwriters are where, you know, especially I, you know, have a bunch of sad songs or whatever to go to that deep place and you live through stuff that you write about. But, man, I find in comics, man, I feel like there's some of the heaviest stuff in the world that those folks have experienced to be able to, you know, come up and tell these kinds of jokes and stories and the educational part of it with it, you know, it's so much. I don't know. For me, it seems like it's so much more than just a joke.
- [126:09]
Joe Rogan
It is with some. I mean, some people just do jokes. It really depends on your style. But, I mean, if you go back to, like, Richard Prior, his whole thing was, like, explaining life and telling stories.
- [126:19]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [126:20]
Joe Rogan
But with an amazing sense of humor and that. You would leave that and you, like. Everybody feels like more united. They feel better.
- [126:27]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [126:27]
Joe Rogan
Just like you like what everybody was thinking. Yeah, it was. Everybody's thinking. Afraid to say. And also, he would look at things from a very wise perspective. That was also hilarious. So you walked out of there feeling better.
- [126:40]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [126:41]
Joe Rogan
You felt like you were better.
- [126:42]
Ryan Bingham
It felt like there's bringing some hope.
- [126:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [126:46]
Ryan Bingham
You know.
- [126:47]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. There's hope in humor.
- [126:48]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [126:48]
Joe Rogan
For sure. But there's hope in music, too.
- [126:50]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [126:50]
Joe Rogan
You know, I. I don't have any musical talent at all, but I always think of music as almost like a drug, because music, when. When a good song hits, you're like. Like you're. If you're in the car and a good tune comes on, like, especially back when I used to listen to the radio, you know, and like, you didn't expect what was coming on and also can't rewind it. Yeah. All. All of a sudden, it's Radar Love by Golden Earring. Oh, yeah, yeah, let's go. Like, you. You feel different. It, like, changes your mood. Like, you hear, like, Freebird, like you're flipping through the channels and the guitar solo for Freebird comes on. You're like, yes, you feel better. Like, it. It excites all these parts of your senses, your consciousness, your feelings. It's. It's a joke drug. I mean, it's an amazing thing.
- [127:37]
Ryan Bingham
Real therapeutic for me at the very beginning. Like, I. Like I said, I didn't have high expectations, but I, I knew when I kind of wrote some of the first songs that I wrote and I like got some of that stuff off my chest, like it changed me, you know? Yeah, it, like it became a tool that all of a sudden I had access to this thing that like was helping me heal in a way. Like I could get, I could get stuff off my chest, like the things, things that I was uncomfortable talking about in conversation with folks. Like I could put them into a song and like sing them to the wall. And I was just like getting that stuff out. Like there wasn't anybody in the room and I was just like, you know, but I was getting this stuff out, out of me, you know.
- [128:20]
Joe Rogan
And it's also a way for people to hear it where it's not annoying.
- [128:24]
Ryan Bingham
You know what I mean?
- [128:24]
Joe Rogan
Like if you just tell some sad story about your life, people like, oh
- [128:27]
Ryan Bingham
geez, you're like, here we go. Cry me a river, a kid. Everybody's got a story.
- [128:33]
Joe Rogan
But if you have a sad story in a song, it's like, it's kind of, it's beautiful. Like I love a good sad song. You know, a song that has like real emotion in it, whether it's a real story or whether like one of my favorite Coulter Wall songs is Kate McCannon. Yeah, Jamie turned me on to that song.
- [128:53]
Ryan Bingham
He said to me, man, Coulter's a gem.
- [128:56]
Joe Rogan
He was 21 when he made that song, which is crazy. Yeah, you listen to that song. That sounds like a 58 year old man who's been smoking cigarettes his whole life.
- [129:06]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [129:07]
Joe Rogan
And that dude is interesting too because he still works on a ranch.
- [129:11]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, yeah, he's a great guy. He's one of my favorites of the younger guys that have come up and been doing this. He's just. Same way. When I first heard those first songs, I was like, who the is this? You know, then you saw, then I saw like a picture of him. I'm like, oh man, he's a kid, you know, crazy. And I just a fabulous,
- [129:33]
Joe Rogan
wicked bird. You hear that? You're like, what is this?
- [129:37]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, what?
- [129:39]
Joe Rogan
Who is this guy? And when I couldn't believe he was 21, I'm like, that makes zero sense.
- [129:44]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, he's got it though, man. And there's a bunch of them out there now that I'm hearing too, that it's just like. I'm like, man, how cool. Yeah, how cool. I'm so glad that they're getting a shot at it or just getting the support. I Don't know if it's, like, getting a shot at it, but it's like getting the love and support that they deserve for the. It's good music, man.
- [130:03]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's great, great music. And there's a thing now with the Internet where it's so easy to share something. You know, like someone's got a good song and it's on YouTube or Spotify, and then you just send a link to your buddy.
- [130:15]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [130:16]
Joe Rogan
You go, bro, check this out. Like, I gotta say, like, half the songs I find out about, my friends just send me. And then all sudden, I'm like, oh, yeah. And then I'll add it to my playlist. You know, it's like, it's easy to share things now where you don't have to go to the record store and pick up the record. And, you know, now it's just, like, within seconds of you getting it in your phone, you're listening to it.
- [130:39]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. And it's easier to record the stuff, too. You know, you don't need a half a million bucks in a studio and all that stuff. It's like, man, half the stuff you can record on your phone.
- [130:48]
Joe Rogan
Well, look at Oliver Anthony.
- [130:49]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [130:50]
Joe Rogan
One song. Yeah, one song. And the first show he ever does is, like, 18,000 people. That is the first show that dude ever performed at.
- [131:02]
Ryan Bingham
I feel for him. I would never have been able to do that when I started, you know, Like, I was not prepared for anything. And I. You know, I don't know, maybe they're not, but that's a lot of.
- [131:12]
Joe Rogan
He settled on. He settled in pretty easy. He figured it out. He's a smart cat. Yeah, he's a really smart dude, and he settled in really easy.
- [131:21]
Ryan Bingham
I guess they have to, you know, I mean, I always think, like, you know, gosh, it's changed so much since I started out, you know, I mean, we didn't even have, like, you know, if you wanted to learn how to play a song, you kind of had to go listen to the record and just try to figure it out, you know, Rewind it. Now it's like, oh, here's a guy that'll just show you every note and this.
- [131:38]
Joe Rogan
And, yeah, there's a guy on YouTube that'll show you exactly where to place your fingers.
- [131:42]
Ryan Bingham
Do it.
- [131:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [131:42]
Ryan Bingham
And that took me years to figure out, you know, and, you know, maybe that is, like, today, you know, these guys, it's. They're learning how to do it at such a quicker rate. And, like, they know how to handle the crowds and do all the stuff, and it's just like, boom, there. There you go.
- [131:57]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's with everything today. You know, I think that's also why, like, I mean, in martial arts and like ufc, there's a reason why the guys are so much better today, and it's because they get to see everything that everybody's ever done, done, and then they practice it and improve upon it, and they get it at a year early age. You could essentially just on your phone, watch every fight that's ever taken place ever in human history that's been recorded.
- [132:20]
Ryan Bingham
I did that on the road a few years ago. I mean, I've still. I've always been a pretty rudimentary guitar player. You know, I can't solo all over the place and all of that stuff. And I think it was like 2019 last I put out a record and I was going on a tour, and my friend Charlie Sexton produced the album. He's a wonderful guitar player.
- [132:39]
Joe Rogan
And Charlie Sexton, the guy from the. From the 80s beat so lonely, played with.
- [132:46]
Ryan Bingham
I remember that song Dylan played Archangel.
- [132:48]
Joe Rogan
He was like, really young when Beat so Lonely came out.
- [132:51]
Ryan Bingham
Oh, man, he's, yeah, legend. And I remember calling him, though. I was like, man, I really want to get better at the guitar, you know? And he's like, well, just listen to all the stuff that you really like, you know, he's like, don't try to play it all note for note. He says, just keep listening to it and like. Like, you'll start eventually finding those places and develop your style and. But it was when I got on the road as well, man, I had access on YouTube all of my favorite musicians and guitar players, and I just kind of made a point of sitting down, and I even found this guy that was just breaking down and giving simple blues guitars lessons for kids. I was like, man, this is great. Never done anything like this. And just like, went through. I went back, you know, right. I gotta memorize all the notes on the fretboard and I need. You know, and it was just. It was so. I had so much fun doing it and, you know, and also give confidence to get up and jam with other musicians and play and kind of know what key you're in, what you're doing. And, you know, I went years, you know, without having any kind of lessons or training, and then I just like within three weeks of being on tour and watching YouTube videos of it, just stepped it up so much. They're like, how'd you learn how to do it? About 20 years later, in My career. I decided to learn how to play the guitar on YouTube.
- [134:03]
Joe Rogan
It is amazing. I mean, that's the positive part of the Internet, you know, if you could avoid the negative parts. There's a lot of great positive stuff in the Internet, and the access to stuff like that is amazing.
- [134:13]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Off. We all could just avoid the negative of everything, right? Right.
- [134:17]
Joe Rogan
Well, unfortunately, there's a lot of people that don't have good lives, and they do have a lot of extra time because they're not really investing in their own life, so they just spread a negativity online.
- [134:27]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [134:27]
Joe Rogan
And it's just human nature.
- [134:29]
Ryan Bingham
Wild, wild world.
- [134:31]
Joe Rogan
It is. It's a wild world, but it's also a wildly positive world, too. Just what you just said about the guitar stuff or with the Oliver Anthony stuff.
- [134:39]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [134:39]
Joe Rogan
This guy standing there with a guitar in front of a field with no production value at all, but has a song they singing from the heart. Like, how many. How many views does that have on YouTube? It's got be to be like 100 million views or something. Nuts. And that song was gigantic.
- [135:00]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [135:00]
Joe Rogan
Rich men north of.
- [135:02]
Ryan Bingham
I remember my wife playing it for me for the first time, and I was just like, what the. I was like, what is that? And she's like, oh, man, check this out, you know? I was like, that's so rad.
- [135:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I got a chance to see him perform live too, with his band. They're fantastic. He settled. He's completely settled into being famous now. He's. He's full. He's cool with it. Yeah, he's still the same guy, dude. I met him real early on, and I actually talked to him on the phone. How many was it got? 236 million. Holy wow.
- [135:34]
Ryan Bingham
When you say, like, he settled, dude. Was he. I didn't know. Was he having a hard time with it?
- [135:38]
Joe Rogan
He was freaking out in the beginning, and I contacted him early on, and he said, hey, can I ask you some advice? And can we talk on the phone? I said, yeah, sure. So I called him up, and he was just telling me that he was getting hit up by all these different people that were trying to give him money to sign a contract and this. And then I go, hey, hey, hey. Don't sign nothing. I go, you don't need nobody. You don't need to be locked up in any contracts with nobody. And he was like, they're all telling me I gotta strike while the iron's hot. I'm like, them. I go, you got talent, dude. Talent is the number one thing. You already have that. You're gonna be fine. You just keep making songs like that. You can't lose. But what you don't want to do do is be tied with some legal contract to some just sucking you like a vampire. Yeah. And they're going to be stuck with you for years, and then you're going to have to go to court to get out of that. Exactly.
- [136:28]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. You have the opportunity. Like. Like I said, you just. Man, you're writing good songs, you're doing good stuff, and you have a way to give it to the people.
- [136:35]
Joe Rogan
But he's getting more unique. $7 million to sign this. I'm like, don't do it. I know it sounds like. But that $7 million, they're giving you that because they're going to make money. 14. There's not a chance in hell. And you don't need them. You don't need them. You should get all the money. You should get it all. You shouldn't give any money to anybody else. You don't need it. You can make your own records. You can put it all together yourself. You don't need nobody.
- [136:58]
Ryan Bingham
I guess you always gotta remember they're. They're gonna buy for one, sell for two somewhere.
- [137:03]
Joe Rogan
Exactly. It's. There's no way they're gonna give you that money. Unless they're gonna make a lot more, and then you're gonna get stuck with them. Don't do it. And he's like, they're all telling me I gotta do it. And now. Because if I miss this opportunity, I'm like, you ain't missing. Yeah, you ain't missing. There's not a chance you're gonna miss it.
- [137:17]
Ryan Bingham
Especially when you're that young.
- [137:18]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And good.
- [137:20]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [137:20]
Joe Rogan
And just good.
- [137:22]
Ryan Bingham
Who knows what they're gonna be, you know, be writing in the next 10 years.
- [137:25]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Have you heard that song Woman Scorned?
- [137:28]
Ryan Bingham
I haven't. No. Is that one of his new ones?
- [137:32]
Joe Rogan
He wrote that one after a breakup, and it's just. Whoa, you hear that? It just gets you right. Right in the. The bone marrow.
- [137:39]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. Getcha.
- [137:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's fantastic. It's so good. But it's just like, you know, it's. It's a beautiful story, and I love a story like that dude was, like, selling, like. He was selling, like, heavy equipment. He was a salesman, just, like, machinery and.
- [137:55]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [137:56]
Joe Rogan
And then writing songs, and he gets fed up one day and he puts this song. Let's make a video of this song.
- [138:02]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [138:02]
Joe Rogan
And then all of a sudden, boom, man.
- [138:04]
Ryan Bingham
People ask me all the time. They're like, man, who you think's, you know, the best young songwriter out there, you know, musician or guitar player. I'm like, man, I don't know, it's probably some 16 year old kid in the garage that nobody's heard of that's probably the best guy out there.
- [138:18]
Joe Rogan
You know, he's ready to jump off.
- [138:20]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. He's gonna hit you with some song that just, you know, crushes you.
- [138:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they're out there. It's just. But that's the thing that I was saying about guys like you, that people look at guys like you and it's such a romantic story. Story. They worry that there's not going to be any more of you.
- [138:37]
Ryan Bingham
You know what I mean?
- [138:38]
Joe Rogan
Like this weird digital world and AI and just this strange life that we're all living like now that are not, I don't want to say simple because it's not simple, but it's unencumbered by all the. Of the. The world that we think is fake and unfortunate. Yeah. Like to have this pure life and this wild romantic story. When people meet a guy like you, they're like, oh man, there probably ain't gonna be many more of them.
- [139:08]
Ryan Bingham
I don't know, man. I mean, look at this guy, you know, Guys are kind. I feel so fortunate too. Like when I did come to Austin, like in my, you know, mid-20s, you know, I met guys like Joe Ealy and Terry Allen and Guy Clark and like these Steve Earl legendary kind of guys that I looked up to. And I remember being young then and being like, oh man, you know, these, these are the last guys left, you know, and so, you know, I don't know. There's so many of these young folks out there, they're doing it that I think crave it and they're, that's what they're interested in. They want to hear, play that music, you know, they want to feel that stuff. So I'm optimistic about it, but I can, I can. It definitely is a different world out there these days. And I, you know, even for myself, you know, just going with the flow and like, wow, where are we going tomorrow? You know, how's this? Like, I have no idea how so much of this social media stuff is working or what, you know, and how you put out an album or songs and it's like, don't worry about all that jazz. Just like, just keep writing. Yeah, just keep writing. Keep making it and just be unreliable. And at the end of the day, if all of that stuff disappears like, you know, you can always go sit on the sidewalk and put your tip jar out there and play a song for people who are walking down the street. And I guarantee you there's gonna be somebody that's gonna stop and appreciate it, you know?
- [140:33]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's what got Charlie Crockett started out.
- [140:35]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [140:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [140:36]
Ryan Bingham
I've had plenty of gigs where, like, you know, you go into some bar and the. You know, my wife always says, go where you're celebrated, not where you're tolerated. You know, you go into some bar, and they kind of. You can tell they don't really want. You know, they're not excited about you playing or whatever. Like, yeah, I'll just go. I'll go park in the parking lot across the street and sit on the tailgate of my truck and play, and we'll have a party over there. Yeah. Yeah.
- [140:58]
Joe Rogan
That is the crazy thing about music.
- [140:59]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [141:00]
Joe Rogan
You could just kind of set up anywhere.
- [141:01]
Ryan Bingham
You don't need all that st. Like, talking about just signing contracts and deals and all. It's like, man, just like, you got that guitar in your hand, you got your song, you know, hold on to it.
- [141:12]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [141:13]
Ryan Bingham
And protect it, you know? That's what. It's something that's special to you. I think. When I talk about the therapy of songwriting, that's what I hold on and protect that ruthlessly, you know, I'm not just giving that away, you know, and that's more. That part of. It's way more important than selling an album or a concert ticket or going on the road touring and all that, man. Like, what I get out of music is, like, when I'm sitting at home in a room all by my. Myself and letting that stuff pour out of me, and I'm just. Just singing it to the wall. Like, that's what's saved my life, you know?
- [141:49]
Joe Rogan
That's awesome.
- [141:50]
Ryan Bingham
It ain't any of the rest of it.
- [141:52]
Joe Rogan
I'm glad that you articulated that way, too, because I think there's young, aspiring songwriters and singers out there that are listening to this right now that are feeling this, and they just can't wait to get to a pad right now and start writing. Can pick up their guitar and start writing. Cause it's like stories like yours, and the way you express inspires people to get excited about it. Inspires people to really dig in.
- [142:17]
Ryan Bingham
I hope so. You know, I definitely had folks that mentored me like that and, you know, steered me in the right direction in a lot of ways. Terry Allen, the guy, definitely. I'm just like, man, just keep writing. Keep, you know, and whatever it. Whatever that's making you want to do that in the first place, you know, like that, like hold on to that, you know, and protect it and. And the rest will all be. Always be around and always come and it'll change and a good song will survive and find its way, just like the guy. You know that song you just played me? Like you said, 200 million people and it just. They'll find its way, you know?
- [142:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [142:54]
Ryan Bingham
Find it. They'll find. Find its way into people's hearts, you know?
- [142:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And like I said, it's just. It's important for people like you to tell your story. It really is.
- [143:04]
Ryan Bingham
Thank you.
- [143:04]
Joe Rogan
It's. It's fuel for people.
- [143:06]
Ryan Bingham
Thanks.
- [143:07]
Joe Rogan
Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. And tell everybody they want to find you performing anywhere where they can catch you is you got a website that shows where you're gonna be at.
- [143:19]
Ryan Bingham
All over the interwebs. Yeah. It's all out there.
- [143:21]
Joe Rogan
Is it? Do you have your own personal website?
- [143:24]
Ryan Bingham
I do. It's probably just Ryan Bingham.com or there it is, Binghamusic.com. something like that. Got all the.
- [143:30]
Joe Rogan
All the dates are up there.
- [143:32]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah.
- [143:32]
Joe Rogan
Do you use social media at all?
- [143:34]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah, we're on all this. I mean, all this.
- [143:36]
Joe Rogan
Do you pay attention to it or you got somebody who does it for you?
- [143:39]
Ryan Bingham
Both. Yeah, both. Yeah. Like, mostly like on Instagram. I pay attention to that one, you know, and check in and stuff like that. There's so much of it these days. It's like I can't keep up.
- [143:47]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. You know, it'll rob your time.
- [143:51]
Ryan Bingham
Yeah. I'm trying. I'm trying to go get away where all that stuff's to. Trying turned off. That's where I'll find me.
- [143:56]
Joe Rogan
Beautiful.
- [143:57]
Ryan Bingham
All right.
- [143:58]
Joe Rogan
Thanks, brother.
- [143:58]
Ryan Bingham
Appreciate it.
- [143:59]
Joe Rogan
It was a lot of fun.
- [144:00]
Ryan Bingham
Thank you.
- [144:01]
Joe Rogan
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