Joe Rogan (2:03)

Are you trying to get on this?

Brendan Allen (2:06)

I mean, not really.

Joe Rogan (2:07)

Not really.

Brendan Allen (2:09)

I can't. I can't imagine. Like you said, the security, the behind the scenes, how much stuff's really gonna happen. I'm just like, a lot of weird.

Joe Rogan (2:16)

Pressure, too, because it's like all the security and the protocols, all that extra shit in your mind before you have to go out there and fight.

Brendan Allen (2:23)

Yeah. It just seems like a lot. Like a lot more than what it Needs to be. I'm sure it's gonna be cool to watch, you know, kind of like. What was that?

Joe Rogan (2:30)

The sphere?

Brendan Allen (2:30)

Yeah. Cool to watch like that.

Joe Rogan (2:32)

But also, you're fighting outside.

Brendan Allen (2:35)

Yes. That's what I like. What are they gonna do, put a roof over it? Like, what happens if it rains?

Joe Rogan (2:40)

What if it's hot and muggy? That's gonna affect people.

Brendan Allen (2:43)

I've watched them do outside fights in Louisiana. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan (2:46)

Oh, God. Louisiana's the. You can cut that air, dude.

Brendan Allen (2:49)

You got to see everyone slipping and sliding. It's so humid.

Joe Rogan (2:52)

That's terrible. Did you ever see that King of the Cage fight that they did where it was raining?

Brendan Allen (2:57)

I seen the highlight of it, but I never watched the whole.

Joe Rogan (2:59)

Yeah, it was called King of the Cage. Wet and Wild, and it rained out. This was in the day when we used to have to put on fights at Indian casinos. I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo was doing the commentary back then, and they. It rained out, and so they were like, what do you guys want to do? And everybody's like, well, we want to get paid, so I guess we have to fight. So they fought in the fucking rain. I mean, it was crazy, because how you do that. I don't remember what the canvas was made out of. It might have been slick. It might have been, like, a vinyl can. It might not have been, like, a canvas, like the UFC's canvas, which is actual canvas. It might have been, like, a Jujitsu Matt type situation, which it was in.

Brendan Allen (3:39)

Louisiana with the humid, so I can imagine the rain. The rain's gonna be crazy.

Joe Rogan (3:42)

Pouring. It was pouring down on people. See if you can find some highlights of King of the Cage. Wet and Wild.

Brendan Allen (3:48)

It's gotta be worse than blood on the canvas or blood on the vinyl, right?

Joe Rogan (3:52)

It has to be. It has to be. The worst.

Brendan Allen (3:54)

Doesn't stop just.

Joe Rogan (3:56)

How bad are those fucking logos? Do the logos get problematic when they.

Brendan Allen (4:01)

Get wet on the canvas?

Joe Rogan (4:02)

Yeah, in the middle of the octagon. I don't hear. It is. Yeah, look at that. Look at that. That is like. That looks. It's hard to tell what it actually is, but it looks like. Like, vinyl. Got rubber shoes on, maybe. Yeah, these guys are fighting with shoes on, which helps a little. You see, this is back when there was, like, zero rules.

Joe Rogan (4:22)

That's hilarious. Look at these. Oh, these guys are barefoot. Look at these guys sliding around. This is so crazy. They throw punches and slip it. This is like total, like. Like winos in a parking lot of a liquor store.

Brendan Allen (4:37)

Imagine everyone didn't know. It was raining like, man, you got rocked like 30 times. No, bro, I didn't get rocked. It was wet.

Joe Rogan (4:43)

Right. How do you judge, like, what shots do damage. This is like so silly. Oh, look, they got a guy come out here with us a thing to slide the water off the side. Yeah. That's not helping. This is so crazy. They're doing this. Look at the fighters are helping.

Brendan Allen (4:57)

That is.

Joe Rogan (4:57)

The fighters are moving towels around. That is so ridiculous.

Brendan Allen (5:01)

You get an extra 30 seconds break if you wipe off the canvas.

Joe Rogan (5:04)

Yeah, right. That's funny. That's funny. Yeah. So who knows what's going to happen. I guess they'll probably have to have some sort of a roof over it. But what if it's like 98 degrees outside?

Brendan Allen (5:14)

It's going to be crazy.

Joe Rogan (5:15)

It's June in Baltimore or in Maryland, rather. And you know, dc. Yeah, whatever that is. It's like DC is. It's not even a state. DC gets hot. It gets hot in the summer.

Brendan Allen (5:27)

It's going to be crazy. I always wonder, like, how much behind the scenes work goes into, like for the sphere, for example, because obviously they have everything else down to a science.

Joe Rogan (5:35)

But maybe redo that.

Brendan Allen (5:36)

That's gonna be crazy.

Joe Rogan (5:38)

Abu Dhabi. That's right. We did a live one outdoor in Abu Dhabi. I remember that. That was when BJ fought Frankie Edgar.

Brendan Allen (5:46)

Wow.

Joe Rogan (5:47)

Yeah. And Anderson. God.

Brendan Allen (5:52)

Damian, Maya.

Joe Rogan (5:53)

Damian, Maya. That's right, that's right. Oh, that's right. That was. That was like Damien. Anderson and Damien had real beef and so. And yelling at him in the first round, tried to kill him in the first round and then he kind of ran out of gas and so you just kind of coasted for the remainder of the fight. And Dana was really pissed because he just coasted and won a decision.

Joe Rogan (6:12)

Put that back out there, I guess. But that wasn't good, dude. By the way, in Abu Dhabi they had these bugs that were flying around the size of small birds. It was. It was crazy. I was like, this is because, you know, you're in the desert. Yeah, it's very weird. Very weird having an outdoor fight in the desert.

Brendan Allen (6:30)

It's like mosquitoes in Louisiana, man. They come out of them swamp water. And I don't know what they're doing, but they're huge.

Joe Rogan (6:35)

Well, back in the day, they used to have fights like that in Vegas. They used to have boxing matches outside Caesar's Palace. Used to have them outside. Yeah. See if you can find some of those. I know, I want to think, like they had some good fights outside. Like some world championship fights that were outside Caesar's palace.

Brendan Allen (6:56)

I think it'd be cool to say you did, but I don't think I want to do it at this level. If something does go wrong.

Joe Rogan (7:01)

You're too close. Brandon Allen, you're knocking at the door. Dude, you're right there. You're right there.

Brendan Allen (7:06)

It's crazy. I just saw Chemaev made a post today saying that he's. He's only got to do one more at 85 and then he's going up.

Joe Rogan (7:13)

What?

Brendan Allen (7:13)

Yeah, my wife said he's going to go to 205. That's what he said.

Joe Rogan (7:16)

That's crazy.

Brendan Allen (7:17)

She translated for me. It was in Portuguese.

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Brendan Allen (9:29)

Dang.

Joe Rogan (9:30)

Yeah. That's crazy.

Brendan Allen (9:32)

I never knew that. Never.

Joe Rogan (9:33)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (9:34)

Wow.

Joe Rogan (9:35)

They had big fights there too. Look at how big that is. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. But again, Vegas outside must be so hot.

Brendan Allen (9:45)

Has to be. That dry heat is something. That's crazy. Imagine being all the way in the back of that thing. You ain't seeing nothing. They don't got no screen up for the TV or nothing.

Joe Rogan (9:55)

Who is that right there? Who was there? Oh, Tommy Hearns fought there.

Brendan Allen (9:58)

Roberto Durant.

Joe Rogan (9:59)

Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran was outside. That's crazy. In 1984. Wow.

Brendan Allen (10:06)

That's way before my time.

Joe Rogan (10:08)

Yeah, way before. I guess that was. They probably didn't even have an arena back then that could keep those guys in it. I wonder when they started putting arenas in Vegas.

Brendan Allen (10:17)

That's a good question.

Joe Rogan (10:18)

It was probably. It probably started for those big boxing matches. Ask Perplexity. Yeah, Ask Perplexity, our sponsor. When did they start putting an arena in Vegas? I'm gonna say 90.

Joe Rogan (10:35)

Because I think Vegas in the beginning was just all about gambling. And if there was a show, it was at a showroom in Vegas. Like. Yeah, you know, if you went to see Sinatra or something, that was probably just a couple thousand people. Probably wasn't that big.

Brendan Allen (10:48)

It's crazy to see, like, how Vegas is growing. Like, even like before my time. I see pictures, but even since, like, I fought amateur worlds in Vegas, I wasn't even old enough to go in the casino. So they had to like walk me around in the Flamingo, I believe.

Joe Rogan (11:01)

Oh, that's crazy. You couldn't go in the casino, do nothing.

Brendan Allen (11:03)

If I walked on the floor, they were on me. I'm like, bro, I don't.

Joe Rogan (11:06)

How old were you?

Brendan Allen (11:08)

18.

Joe Rogan (11:08)

Oh, wow.

Brendan Allen (11:09)

17. 18. No. 18. Yeah, 18. About turn 19 and man, they were on me. I'm talking about, like, they must have had a watch on me. I stepped on the floor just to go across to get, like, to the drink machine.

Joe Rogan (11:21)

Well, that was probably a big concern, that if you have underage competitors and that they're wandering around the casino, they could lose their license.

Brendan Allen (11:28)

Yeah. Because we stayed at the Link. It was brand new at the time. And then we walked across the Flamingo. We fought there every. Every time until the finals. The finals was in the UFC Expo, in the middle of the Expo, which was cool because they had, like, the hall of Fame ceremony going on. You were there. I seen you.

Joe Rogan (11:44)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (11:44)

Yeah. So it was cool. But, yeah, it's crazy just to see it from there till. Till now, like, how much it's growing and change and. Wow, it's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan (11:53)

When did you first start training? How old were you?

Brendan Allen (11:55)

Thirteen.

Joe Rogan (11:56)

And what did you start with?

Brendan Allen (11:57)

Jiu Jitsu. I didn't even, like, really mean to. To be honest. Like, I was playing football. I love football. And my brother came home because he switched schools, and his friend was like, hey, you want to do Jiu Jitsu? And we was watching, you know, UFC on the weekends. That was like, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell Trilogy, all those guys. So we watched them on the weekends, and.

Brendan Allen (12:16)

He asked. So we went there and looked, and I was still playing football this football season, and my dad's like, you want to try it? I was like. I watched the class, and I was like, dad, I want to do it. And he's like, okay, we'll use the trial. Gee. I was like, dad, I don't want to borrow. Gee, can you. Can we. Can you buy me one? My parents didn't have much money. We were. My dad was just starting to do okay for himself at that point. He's like, if I buy you this gi, I promise you for the rest of the year, you're coming three times a week, at least. I was like, yes, sir. So started and never looked back. A couple months later, my brother and my dad joined me, and we did it all together for a little while. Then my brother found girls, and he went his way. So, yeah, it's been a long time.

Joe Rogan (12:53)

That'S derailed a lot of young prospects.

Brendan Allen (12:57)

It definitely got him. It definitely got him, man, that life took him elsewhere, and I don't know. Luckily, I stayed. He would have been better than me, though. He was a lot tougher and.

Joe Rogan (13:06)

Yeah, but it's a lot. Is he the older brother? It's usually the younger brother that winds up being the real good fighter.

Brendan Allen (13:12)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (13:12)

Because the young. That's the thing. That's the thing. You learn resilience. You learn how to be the nail, you know? And the older brother oftentimes is too comfortable being the hammer.

Brendan Allen (13:22)

Yeah. But my dad would put him in his place. So luckily, he was. He was used to being in the nail a little bit, too. You know, my dad's a big man, so. Yeah, man, life is crazy.

Joe Rogan (13:33)

So when did you start striking?

Brendan Allen (13:35)

Well, my dad boxed when he was younger, and his. His grandfather taught him how to box, and he was like.

Brendan Allen (13:42)

He did something like one like a Golden Gloves in the military or something back when they had, like, the. The boxing gloves that were made, like, horse hair.

Joe Rogan (13:48)

Oh, wow.

Brendan Allen (13:49)

Yeah. So he taught my dad to box, and so my box. My dad box in high school, so he was kind of teaching me a little stuff here and there growing up, but you know how it is, man. Who listens to their father? Now I look back, and I'm like, man, I wish I would have listened more. And I say stuff that he was like, what I tell you? Ten years ago, you know? But I started striking probably, like 15, maybe 15 and a half somewhere around there. But it was all grown men back then. Especially, like, where I came up at. There's no, like, beginners classes or anything like that. And These guys are 24, 25, 26. I mean, there's been a couple of times, man, I got hit, and I thought my jaw was broken. I start crying. I mean, like, smack. And it was just like, I couldn't open my mouth.

Joe Rogan (14:28)

And that's the problem with a lot of boxing gyms in particular, is that when new guys come in, they just beat them up.

Brendan Allen (14:35)

Yeah, they did. They beat me up.

Joe Rogan (14:37)

They don't. They don't box. You, like, spar. You rather. They fight you, and they know how to fight, and you don't know how to fight.

Brendan Allen (14:44)

You know, One of my best friends who was with me, like, I started with him was Kurt Hollabaugh, and him and Dustin Poirier were the two biggest. Where we were from at that time. So I remember Tim Crater reached out to Kurt.

Joe Rogan (14:55)

Crazy Tim. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (14:57)

And he was like, hey, why don't y' all come spar? We got Dustin. I think Dustin was just about to go to wec, or he was. He was right around there at that time. So we're like, let's go. Kurt's like, hey, you want to go? Yeah, let's go. So we go over there for sparring, and I'm sparring this guy, man, he had to be, like.

Brendan Allen (15:14)

Five foot one. Like, he was tiny short. And Kurt goes with Dustin. And I'm sitting here trying to watch them go, because, I mean, they're throwing, they're fighting, they're not sparring. And this Guy's hitting me, and I'm like, get off me. Like, trying to watch. And the same day, like, so we sparred, like, I don't know, four or five rounds. It was nice. And then. And I'm only, like, 14, 15 years old at this time, and then it was, start on the ground in your guard, and I go with Dustin because everyone, like, said my jiu jitsu was good. It was for that time, but I was still just a kid. Dude, he hit me so hard. When they said. Literally, when they said go, it was like, boom, right in my mouth. And I was like, well, I guess this is what we're doing. I hurried up and grabbed and tried to sweep and all that kind of stuff, but, man, I never forget that moment to this day. Like, last time I trained with Dustin, I was like, hey, you remember that time you beat me up? Like, I'm not little no more.

Joe Rogan (16:06)

You had three weight classes above him.

Brendan Allen (16:08)

Yeah, yeah. So, like, I see all the guys like that. There's one guy in particular. If I see him, I told everyone I'm whooping his ass.

Joe Rogan (16:15)

One guy. You don't want to name him?

Brendan Allen (16:16)

His name's J. Mart.

Joe Rogan (16:17)

Oh, okay.

Brendan Allen (16:18)

Great guy. Nice guy. But training. I never forget the day he hit me so hard and thought my jaw was broke. I'm like. And I was little. Like, now I'm a grown man.

Joe Rogan (16:27)

Like, it is so hard to find, like, reasonable sparring. It's so hard to find people that are, like, willing to not hit you full blast and, like, preserve each other, you know, like, hey, we're all in this together. You help me, I help. And if you can get that, my God, you progress so much faster if you're in there. Just. There's something to be said for going through the fire and understand what it's like to be in a war with guys. But there's something also to be said for, like, learning how to recover and, like, having more training sessions and not getting concussions all the time.

Brendan Allen (17:04)

Yeah. It's like, Shawn Jordan was the first to tell me. That was like, he came and trained, and obviously, you know, Sean's huge, super athletic guy, heavyweight, you know, And I'm talking about. I watched him and this other big man. They were sparring, and it was literally, like, touching each other. So I asked him after, because everyone else is fighting, and I'm like, man, how come you don't spar so hard? He looked at me and started laughing. He's, like, running at this time. I think he was like, 270 somewhere around there. And he's like, I'm 270 pounds. I fought some of the biggest guys, like, biggest names in the world at the time. He's like, I know how to fight. If I. If I go full blast or he goes full blast, one of us is gonna get hurt, and then we're not gonna fight anymore. Like, we're not gonna. We're not gonna make money for our family. So I always. I always took that in. And obviously, I'm not, like, a huge guy like they were, but it's like, even, like, when I was training in Florida, I knew when me and robocop go, we're fighting. Like, I know it.

Joe Rogan (18:00)

That guy's scary.

Brendan Allen (18:01)

You know, both.

Joe Rogan (18:02)

Both you guys, like, how the fuck are you making £185? And you're on a smaller side in comparison to him?

Brendan Allen (18:09)

Yeah, dude. It's. My weight cuts way harder than his.

Joe Rogan (18:11)

Is it?

Brendan Allen (18:12)

Yeah, he walks, dude. Surprisingly, I asked him before, because he has, you know, he has a great, like, physique, right? He's big guy. When I see him like, bro, how much you weigh? He's like, oh, like, 205. I said, no way. No way. He's like, I'll step on the scale right now. Steps on the scale. 206. I was like, no way.

Joe Rogan (18:30)

Bird bones. That doesn't even make any sense.

Brendan Allen (18:32)

I had no idea. I thought the same thing. But me, I step on the scale. I mean, right now I'm probably, like, 225, but I haven't done nothing since I fought. But I stay around. 215, 220, and I'm the run of my family. So, like, my body wants to get bigger, but I'm like, I got unfinished business here. So, yeah, Joe's. Joe's a. A big 85er. Joe Piper.

Joe Rogan (18:49)

Oh, yeah, he's a 85. He's huge.

Brendan Allen (18:52)

He has a hard cut. That's why I'm like. When he gets.

Joe Rogan (18:54)

Yeah. Like, how is that guy? How is that guy 185? When I stand next to him, I'm like, how Same. I can't believe he walks around 205. Because that doesn't even make sense.

Brendan Allen (19:05)

That's what I seen him. Hey, if it's a lot guys, strike.

Joe Rogan (19:08)

Me down now because I think he rigged that scale.

Brendan Allen (19:11)

He. Well, we were all using it.

Joe Rogan (19:13)

He probably has heels on the ground there.

Brendan Allen (19:14)

He was. I was super surprised. My boy Tuko was with me. We was all in the room. I was like. Because I called him out on Everyone else wouldn't say it. I was like, no.

Joe Rogan (19:22)

Was it after training?

Brendan Allen (19:24)

After training, okay.

Joe Rogan (19:25)

And both of you, after training.

Brendan Allen (19:27)

Yeah, but. And it wasn't a hard day. Like, that day was not a hard day. Like, we weren't like sweat. It wasn't like a five, six pound practice day. Right. It was a pretty chill day.

Joe Rogan (19:34)

And even if it was, I'd still be surprised. If he was only 211, I'd be surprised, dude.

Brendan Allen (19:39)

But I know, like, when he had on other fights, he was a little bit bigger because he wanted to be. I didn't understand, but still that, you know. But Joe, I think, well, the. Ritter probably has to be the biggest 85 or like, he's enormous. He was. He was bigger than I expected. And I seen him, but I, like, in the gym, I never went close to him because I. I rolled with him like one time in a. In a quick thing. It was like a minute long. But like, still, I was surprised when. When we stepped in there, like, we stepped up to each other at face offs and I was like, I was expecting to be a little bit bigger. I don't know, maybe I make everyone bigger in my head, but he was really long. Like, even when we stood next to each other, his hands felt like they touched his knees. I was like, all right, this is going to be interesting.

Joe Rogan (20:19)

Yeah. I was surprised when I'm. When I first met him in the ufc, when he first came over, I was like. Because I saw him fight in one and I knew he fought at. I believe he fought at 205 and 85 over there.

Brendan Allen (20:29)

Right, right.

Joe Rogan (20:31)

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Brendan Allen (21:46)

They were worried about that when he came over because he never made a real true 85. Because, you know, they have the hydration, the hydration. So he can weigh in at 204, but fully hydrated. And they still know how to finesse that. Like I just learned like how they finesse that, how they finesse that. So they drink a whole bunch of water and then they go. They don't pee, they don't do nothing. They drink that water and then go cut. The weight, it stays in their stomach. So when they piss it out, it's clear, it's all good. So they test that hydration. They test they're hydrated, but they're really not. They already went and sweat out a whole bunch. So they drink it, they just hold it. That's all the guys do it. Some guys mess it up, but that's majority how everyone does it. And so that's.

Joe Rogan (22:25)

So you just drink a whole ton of water and just hold your piss as long as possible.

Brendan Allen (22:28)

Yeah, they make sure like, they probably drink like two cups and then they're just going to hold and then they'll go cut for like an hour, like sweat, sweat, sweat, sweat, sweat. And then they say when they show up to the hydration, that's. I've heard that from like four people that have done it. And they said, yeah, bro, I learned from this guy. And I learned from this guy. I was like, wow, interesting.

Joe Rogan (22:46)

I knew there had to be some sort of a catch to it.

Brendan Allen (22:48)

Yeah. And they say it's a lot. It's is more unhealthy than like cutting weight over here to like really make the weight. Because it. I don't know, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but they, they. My friends that are into all that stuff are like explaining like how it works. And I was like, man, that's crazy. And. But he was a guy that never made a true 186. So they were worried. And then he did. And I know, like, I know for a fact he's come in. I don't know what he came in on my fight week, but I think the one before that he. He came In Monday, I believe, at 2:10. 2:10, the fight week. So I was like, I come in at 2:06 and I'm stressing. I'm like, ah, two or three is like my number.

Joe Rogan (23:26)

Well, I think that contributes to the fact that he gases.

Brendan Allen (23:29)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (23:30)

I just, I think it's just too much of a strain. And he's, he's talked kind of vaguely, not, not real clearly about problems that he's had with his health. And, you know, I've got to think that has to do with weight cuts.

Brendan Allen (23:43)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (23:43)

So many guys have kidney problems.

Brendan Allen (23:44)

For sure. For sure. And it's weird because, like in the fight with him, like, I knew like in the first round to feel like, obviously adrenaline's flowing, everything, so you're even. Everything's intensified. Right. So I could feel how tight he was squeezing. I mean, he was squeezing like his legs, everything he was trying to where I couldn't move. So I just make little adjustments and make him move a little bit. He'd punch very rarely, but I was like, there's impossible, it's impossible for you to keep this up for 25 minutes. It's impossible. I know you're not going to do it, so just bide my time. Plus, I didn't want to gas either because it was short for me. Short notice, five rounds, you know, it was a little worrisome. But I knew he couldn't. I knew he couldn't. And I, like, we did a lot of prep for him specifically, and we saw the Russian that he fought in one, and I was like, we had our game plan before we watched it. And then we watched it and was like, here we go.

Joe Rogan (24:40)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (24:40)

That's why everyone asked me, like, what's gonna happen? I'm gonna break him. He's. He's tough. He is tough. But, you know, like, well, if he.

Joe Rogan (24:47)

Comes out with that mentality, if he's trying to go full blast, 100 in the first round, in a five round fight, like we.

Brendan Allen (24:54)

Right, exactly.

Joe Rogan (24:55)

Nobody could really do that.

Brendan Allen (24:56)

Yeah. Like I told the guys, like, because obviously he trains where I was training and they all know, they all know me, you know, so it's like, if you think you're gonna come out here. And he said in his interviews, like, I'm a front runner, I'm not good long. But I approach a three round fight differently than I approach a five round fight. So I was like, all right, we'll see. And it kind of backfired.

Joe Rogan (25:18)

Well, it was a big win for you.

Brendan Allen (25:19)

Thank you.

Joe Rogan (25:19)

Huge win. You look Fantastic in that fight.

Brendan Allen (25:22)

Thank you.

Joe Rogan (25:22)

You know, it's like, there's just so many talented people in the division. It's so hard to stand out. And sometimes, you know, you take a guy like Deridder who just got done stopping Bo Nickel, and a lot of. Lot of momentum on his side. He real good. You beat Kevin Holland, Submitted him, Looks real good. And then you came along and stole that momentum.

Brendan Allen (25:43)

Yeah, it was. It was weird, to be honest, because, like, when he got there, I was like, I want to fight him. Just because, like, things of, like, he fought one of my friends, which now I guess they're best friends, but who's that?

Joe Rogan (25:52)

Okay.

Brendan Allen (25:53)

They took both his titles from him, right? So, like, there was no animosity, but it's like, I want to test my. You're a ground guy. Like, I'm a ground guy. Let's. Let's see.

Brendan Allen (26:03)

And then it happened. He got there to ufc, and I was like, I want to fight him. Like, I was obviously. I think at the time, I was like, 12, ranked somewhere around there, but I was like, let him get 1, 2, and obviously his name's gonna carry him, you know? So that came. And I never forget. I was leaving an LSU game. I was in the parking lot. My manager called, and I was like, man, can we just get a fight, please? I've been asking for, like, three months, like, please, I just want to fight. Because I'm very. Like, I get in this mode to where I just want to fight, and I don't. I'll just keep bugging him, bugging him. Like, you want me to call Mick? You want. You want me to call Hunter? Like. And he was like, no, no, no, no. But anyway, so I stayed on him. He called me. I was like, hey, what about.

Brendan Allen (26:49)

The Ridder? He was like, come on, man. He had just fought. I think he beat Gerald. And he was like, I think I can make this happen. He texted me back a couple minutes. Hey, they're good to go. The next day, they called back, and they were like, nah, they're not gonna get the fight. Like, they don't want this fight. It's not the right time. I was like, all right. They're like, what about Fluffy? I was like, I asked for him two months ago, so that's when I end up fighting Fluffy. And it just so happened he fought the bow nickel, got all that hype. And.

Brendan Allen (27:18)

I don't know, man, again, I was at an LSU practice, and they called me, and they were like, hey. My manager called me, and he was like, just want you to know, Fluffy's out. I threw your name in the hat, but you're not the front runner. It's Paulo Costa. He's. He's the front runner. But I'm pushing for you because I just saw Paulo yesterday. I don't know how he's going to make 85 in four weeks.

Joe Rogan (27:39)

Yeah, he needs a lot of time to make weight. There's. He's another guy. 185. Do you think that it could ever be possible for guys to just fight without cutting weight? Wouldn't that be. But wouldn't that be better?

Brendan Allen (27:52)

It would be nice.

Joe Rogan (27:53)

Just wouldn't it be better like overall for everybody?

Brendan Allen (27:56)

I think so. Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan (27:57)

Like, here's like if everybody just was honest about what they actually weigh, you know, like, let's find out what everybody actually weighs. When you're in shape, like when you're ready to fight and make a contract to fight it that way. Because this whole weight cutting thing is just legalized cheating.

Brendan Allen (28:14)

It's so hard. And some guys are so good at.

Joe Rogan (28:16)

It, you know, like, how about Pereira, dude?

Brendan Allen (28:19)

I don't know how he made 85.

Joe Rogan (28:21)

He would weigh 226 when he would fight for the 185 pound title.

Brendan Allen (28:25)

Crazy.

Joe Rogan (28:26)

Doesn't even make any sense.

Brendan Allen (28:27)

I don't get how you can put on that much weight. The most I ever put on was his last fight. I was 207, bro.

Joe Rogan (28:31)

He gained 40 something pounds.

Brendan Allen (28:34)

I don't get it.

Joe Rogan (28:35)

40 pounds in a day blows my mind. What does it feel like? Like, what does it do to your body?

Brendan Allen (28:41)

I always wonder that because like this one was, this was tough for me. One month full diet. Like, I don't usually I have like, you know, a couple cheats and ease into the diet. Like I'm starting to do now because I'm hoping to fight in March, so I'm already going to start, you know, being cleaner and stuff.

Joe Rogan (28:56)

Are you concerned though that you could get another of those last minute calls? Like, do you think like that, like to not get too heavy? Because if somebody calls and says, hey, the big Paramount card, somebody fell out, it's January, can you fight?

Brendan Allen (29:10)

I think where I'm at, it would have to be like an interim title or something like that outside of that right now. Plus, like the reason I, I'm so big and I was out, like, I had fractures in my foot. So I had to, you know.

Joe Rogan (29:22)

Did you have fractures in your foot from the fight or just. You had them before the fight?

Brendan Allen (29:26)

Oh, God, yeah. Which we didn't know. I just knew it hurt, like. And to be honest with you, like, I had them before the fight, before that, but I didn't know. Like, I was just like, man, it hurts. Like, I thought it was just, like, a muscle, so I just would roll it out theragun it, like, you know, that's what. That was, what I would do.

Joe Rogan (29:42)

How many fractures?

Brendan Allen (29:44)

They said they. They saw three, but they're small. It was like, diff. Like, right where, like, the toe meets the base of your foot.

Joe Rogan (29:51)

Is it from elbows?

Brendan Allen (29:52)

I don't know. I don't. It was on my lead foot, too, so I was like, I don't even know. Like, I don't tip a lot because I'm scared of, like, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. But I fought with crazy stuff, man. I tore my whole, like, ACL in half, calves, everything, when I fought Paul Craig.

Joe Rogan (30:09)

Did you really?

Brendan Allen (30:10)

Yeah. When that kn. That calf slicer, huh? In half.

Joe Rogan (30:13)

It just blew your ACL out.

Brendan Allen (30:15)

Yes. Oh, I didn't know. So, like, in the second round, when I go to throw the punch, I think it was Dominic Cruz. He was like, oh, they clipped each other, and they showed the replay. And he hits my hand. He never hit, like, my face or anything.

Joe Rogan (30:25)

But your knee just buckled.

Brendan Allen (30:26)

Yeah, it gave. And you can see me reach down to my knee in that moment.

Joe Rogan (30:30)

Oh, wow.

Brendan Allen (30:31)

It was crazy. So afterwards we got that. But I was lucky. Like, when it healed it, like, it fell to the bone, like, if they attach, like, up, up here. Mine just reattached here, so I just have a little bit more play. And it's still attached, luckily.

Joe Rogan (30:45)

Really?

Brendan Allen (30:45)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (30:45)

That's how you never got surgery?

Brendan Allen (30:47)

Never. I was very lucky. Insane. There's, like, three different MRIs that show, like, fine, torn, half, rehealed.

Joe Rogan (30:57)

So it was a partial tail?

Brendan Allen (30:58)

No, they told me in half. It cut in half and then, like, fell. And when it fell, I got lucky. And it fell on the bone just lower, at a lower point.

Joe Rogan (31:06)

And it healed on the bone?

Brendan Allen (31:07)

It used to. The bone itself.

Joe Rogan (31:09)

What?

Brendan Allen (31:09)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (31:10)

How long did it take to do that?

Brendan Allen (31:11)

I don't know. The doctor said it could. It says it looked like it was torn, maybe like, a slight tear before, and that one finished it. And the last MRI was.

Brendan Allen (31:20)

Probably four or five months ago because I had to get it for something else. Fused to the bone. Perfect. You can see it clear as day. The doctor showed me. I was like, that's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan (31:30)

Did you get stem cells or anything on it?

Brendan Allen (31:32)

Yeah, I did. I did do a Lot of stem cells. Like, to the UFC and stuff.

Joe Rogan (31:35)

They said that probably helped. It was Tijuana.

Brendan Allen (31:38)

No, they sent it to my doctor. No, they just.

Joe Rogan (31:40)

Oh, they just sent it.

Brendan Allen (31:41)

It was nice. And they just sent a whole bunch. Like, my doctor was like, man, look how much they sent. I was like, I don't know what it's supposed to look like.

Joe Rogan (31:47)

Fill it up.

Brendan Allen (31:48)

Let's go. So we injected that. But, yeah, I fight with all crazy stuff because it's like, I don't know how to pull.

Joe Rogan (31:54)

That's the thing that people need to realize that. Watch. Nobody fights at 100% or very few people, very, very rarely.

Brendan Allen (32:00)

And I just don't know how to. How to pull. Like, I've never pulled from one knock on wood. I haven't pulled on one fight in my career, and I've been pretty. Pretty messed up. I think my worst was when I fought Imavolve, to be honest. Physically, I was like. Like, as far as. Like, how my body was, was pretty good, but I didn't realize, like, how much of a toll because I, like, have a thyroid problem. And I. I went years without getting it checked, and for, like, while I was feeling, like, real sluggish, real tired, no sex drive, nothing. Like, I didn't want to get out of bed, and my weight was just steady going up for the first time in my life. At that point, I hit 220, and I was like, what is going on? Like, I'm still training. I'm eating clean, and anyway, I went to a specialist in Florida, and they tested everything, like, T3, T4, and I never had T3 checked, ever. And it was, like, seven times the normal value, whatever that was supposed to be. I have it on a paper or whatever. They gave me that. And they're like, hey, man, I'm gonna let you know. I was. I was fighting in three, three or four weeks in France. And they were like, hey, this is gonna take a month and a half, two months to regulate and fully settle out. I was like, I don't got that kind of time. Just give me enough to where my. Where my weight will come down. Because I wasn't losing anything. They're like, it's gonna do that. Don't worry. Within a week or two, that's gonna happen. I was still pretty tired, but I just kept pushing. We get to. We went to London first, stayed there a week because it was cheaper for us than going to France because he had. My friend had family there. Then we went to France, and then I was still Feeling, like, tired. That was the first camp in my life. I couldn't do more than two and a half rounds. The whole camp, really.

Brendan Allen (33:39)

Bisinger was the only person that I had to train with. Greg was hurt. Other guys were out, so I had Bisanger every day. I paid him to train with me every day, whenever I wanted, sparring, anything. And ask him. I do good for the first round. Halfway through the second after that, I was dead. Like, dead. And I'm still hitting my runs, my lifts, every training session. Like, I'm doing everything normal, but, man, it was terrible. So the fight comes, and they. The. The commission kind of, like, did super weird stuff. Like, I made weight, and then like, oh, you're getting drug tested. I'm like, okay, no problem. They're like, no, no, no. You're gonna get drug tested now. Not the night of the fight. Like, normal. I was like, what? I was like, I literally just cut weight. Like, I don't gotta pee. I'm just now drinking fluid. They're like, doesn't matter. You can go to your room. I was like, all right, I'll wait for a couple minutes. I waited for, like, 10 minutes. I was like, hey, man, I'm just gonna go to my room, try to sleep. And they were like, no, we don't have enough people. You need to stay here. I stayed there for two hours. They did. Finally, I peed. Just barely peed. And they did two vials of blood. And they got mad because they did that one that they put on in press, the gravity one, and they couldn't get enough. And they were like, because you're dehydrated. Exactly.

Joe Rogan (34:55)

Do you think they were fucking with you because you were fighting in France against a French guy?

Brendan Allen (34:58)

It was me and Moricano. We were the US two. And one other person, American.

Joe Rogan (35:02)

Was that when Moicano was fighting Benoit St. Denis?

Brendan Allen (35:04)

Yes, sir. He bitched about the same thing, but somehow he had.

Joe Rogan (35:08)

We're fucking with you guys.

Brendan Allen (35:09)

Them two were up sleeping in their room, chilling.

Joe Rogan (35:12)

Oh, that's.

Brendan Allen (35:13)

But it's not an excuse.

Joe Rogan (35:14)

It does not have to be excused. That's so dirty.

Brendan Allen (35:16)

It was. It was. It was frustrating. But that's why, like, when I still think Evolve's a cool guy, you know, like, he's deserved his title shot. I think he's fully earned it. Don't get me wrong. But I. I want to fight him again. Where it's like, I sparred him, like, a month after that. He was at the gym, and I showed up at the gym, and we sparred we had a good time, but I still think he's a nice guy. I think he deserved a spot. But I just want to fight him where everything's equal. And like you said, we're not going to come in 100%. He's not. I'm not fine. I don't care if I got a messed up hand, foot, whatever, but just an equal plate, like.

Joe Rogan (35:48)

Well, it just sounds like you were compromised. Look, a good example. That was Pyotr Yan in his first fight with Merab.

Brendan Allen (35:54)

Man, he looked great this week.

Joe Rogan (35:56)

What a master class.

Brendan Allen (35:58)

He looked great. I was so surprised.

Joe Rogan (36:00)

When you're gonna fight a guy like Merab, like, that is the masterclass put on a clinic.

Brendan Allen (36:05)

I didn't, honestly, like, I didn't think he was gonna be able to do that for five rounds. I thought he'd have one, maybe two, maybe max, too. And I thought Merab was just going to do what Merab does. I was so wrong, bro.

Joe Rogan (36:15)

His training camp must have been hell.

Brendan Allen (36:17)

Had to.

Joe Rogan (36:17)

Had to be hell.

Brendan Allen (36:18)

Had to.

Joe Rogan (36:19)

I mean, he must have done something. I mean, it looked like it. I saw some videos of it. He was doing some wild strength and conditioning and plyometrics, and he knew what he was in for. That's the thing. If you're going to fight a guy like Merab, it's like, you know what the mountain is. You ready to climb it for sure. And the first time they fought, apparently he had a up right hand and he couldn't grapple with it and he couldn't throw punches with it. So I rewatched the fight after he said that, that I was like, oh, he's barely using it.

Brendan Allen (36:44)

Like, barely using his right sense.

Joe Rogan (36:46)

Right, Totally makes sense. And then also psychologically, if you only got one hand, that everything now you have to think, right. You can't really throw combinations.

Brendan Allen (36:54)

You have to grab.

Joe Rogan (36:55)

I want to know how tough Uriah Faber is. Uriah Faber, when he fought Mike Brown, he broke both hands. Both hands.

Brendan Allen (37:02)

I remember that fight.

Joe Rogan (37:02)

And he was throwing elbows, both hands.

Brendan Allen (37:05)

He was one of my favorite fighters. I'll never. He was a guy that I wanted to be, just like I. Even you. You could ask my dad. He'll laugh. To this day, I was like, dad, I don't want to be like, my dad's tall. Everyone's tall. I don't want to be tall. I want to be like him. He was like, what? Because that's the fight.

Joe Rogan (37:19)

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Brendan Allen (39:44)

Dude, amazing fights.

Joe Rogan (39:45)

Oh, it was a killer.

Brendan Allen (39:47)

I still remember the Mike Brown coming out party. Jose Aldo.

Joe Rogan (39:52)

That's another example how tough he is when he fought Jose Aldo. And Jose Aldo killed his leg. Dude killed his leg. It is the worst after fight leg I've ever seen in my life. Other than Austin Hubbard. You ever see Austin Hubbard? He got compartment syndrome and had to have his whole leg sliced open from the top to the bottom to alleviate pressure and drain some of the fluids.

Brendan Allen (40:13)

No way.

Joe Rogan (40:14)

It's the nastiest injury I've ever seen. Google, Excuse me. Look up Austin Hubbard images of. I forget the fight. Oh, there it is. Look at his leg. That. That black thing. That's his leg open.

Brendan Allen (40:29)

No.

Joe Rogan (40:30)

Yeah, that's his tissue.

Brendan Allen (40:31)

Oh, my days.

Joe Rogan (40:32)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at that.

Brendan Allen (40:34)

Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan (40:36)

How insane is that, dude?

Brendan Allen (40:37)

He trains in Chicago with me. Oh. When I ask him, look at that image.

Joe Rogan (40:41)

How insane is that image? That's his tissue underneath there, man.

Brendan Allen (40:45)

Oh, my.

Joe Rogan (40:45)

Look, you have to, like, mature content. You have to click a link in Instagram to be able to see it.

Brendan Allen (40:50)

Holy cow.

Joe Rogan (40:51)

How nuts is that, man?

Brendan Allen (40:53)

That's gnarly.

Joe Rogan (40:54)

So there's a drain. That tube that you're seeing right there, that. What that is attached to is that drain that's letting liquid drip out of his leg. So compartment syndrome is so bad that sometimes people, when they don't get it treated, they have to get their leg amputated.

Brendan Allen (41:09)

Really?

Joe Rogan (41:09)

Oh, yeah.

Brendan Allen (41:10)

So that was just from leg kicks from a fight?

Joe Rogan (41:11)

Just from leg kicks from a fight. I'm trying to remember who he fought. Jesus. Can we find out who he fought?

Joe Rogan (41:20)

Oh, more than a year ago. This picture was 325 weeks ago. Yeah, but the fight was more than a year ago. It was quite a while ago, but.

Brendan Allen (41:30)

What is it like? Like a big bruiser.

Joe Rogan (41:32)

What's this? 325 weeks ago? Oh, 300. Yeah. 325 weeks ago. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (41:41)

So it was quite a while ago, but I see. If you find out who he fought.

Brendan Allen (41:44)

Boy, it's just like your. Your leg just stays, like, bruised and swollen, and you're, like, not just bruised.

Joe Rogan (41:48)

Like, your tissue breaks down. It fills up with fluid. Yeah. And then also, what happens, I guess, when you get that much damage in your tissue is like your whole body has to process all. All that. So it was Kyle Propolek. I don't remember that. And so it was ufc, Vancouver, elevator passed down an elevator, had to be rushed to the hospital.

Brendan Allen (42:09)

That is crazy. I never knew that. Yeah, see him at the gym all the time. So he's a nice guy.

Joe Rogan (42:15)

So they had to cut his leg open to reduce the pressure. So that's what that image is. Nuts.

Brendan Allen (42:20)

That is crazy.

Joe Rogan (42:22)

Yeah, that's nuts. And then Uriah's leg, honestly, in the fight, looked worse than that. I mean, Uriah might have had compartment syndrome and didn't get it drained, because I know he spent a lot of time in hyperbaric chambers after the fight.

Brendan Allen (42:35)

I want to try that.

Joe Rogan (42:36)

It's great.

Brendan Allen (42:37)

I want to try that.

Joe Rogan (42:37)

It's really amazing. If you have an aura ring and you go into the hyperbaric chamber, it will tell you that you're recovering. Recovered more, really? Yeah. Than a normal day. Yeah. Oh, you have a very high level of recovery today.

Brendan Allen (42:48)

Yeah, I'm gonna try that for sure.

Joe Rogan (42:50)

Oh, it's legit. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (42:51)

All my friends have been like. Like, Jared Gordon, like, got one for one of his fights, and he's telling me, like, how different it makes him feel and stuff. Like, for me, as far as I go, it's like, I just started, like, really, like, using more supplements. Like, I think the deal that Thorne made with UFC really helped me because, like, I started using there. And what really helped us. I was always scared to go on creatine because, like, growing up, my dad would get so big and he would, like. Like, back in the day, they'd have, like, all these different things, like, oh, if you use too much creatine, it's bad for you, bad for your kidneys or whatever.

Joe Rogan (43:19)

Turns out, all that's exactly. Yeah. And creatine is fantastic for it.

Brendan Allen (43:22)

And that's. That's been, like, the main thing. Like, I can really feel, like, how. How different my body recovers. Like, how more.

Brendan Allen (43:30)

Almost energized in a way. You know, I wake up and, like, when I go to lift and stuff, I feel, like, way better.

Joe Rogan (43:35)

So, like, what's even great for your mind? Creatine is fantastic just for cognitive support.

Brendan Allen (43:40)

I need everything for that.

Brendan Allen (43:43)

I've been getting hit in the head since I was 13 years old, so, you know. Yeah, it don't. Sometimes it don't function properly, you know, I have to. It's funny, me and my wife were just joking the other day. We were like. I was like, babe, you do that on purpose, don't you? She's like, what? I was like, you try to use memory against me. You'll wait till I forget something, then you'll be like, oh, remember you said this? And I'm like, I didn't say that I have to die on that hill because it's like, I don't remember, but I'll tell her that. You know, I'm just like, no, I didn't. I know I didn't. You know, so. But, yeah, the. That. That was a great relationship. That's helped. Like, you know, UFC's done, like, a lot of, like, made a lot of good partnerships. It's helped, like, the athletes, but for me, personally, like, the Thorne relationship Thorn makes great stuff. Yeah. And they're so tested.

Joe Rogan (44:23)

If you get in a hyperbaric chamber, that'll. It'll help your memory as well. Hyperbaric chamber is just good for overall recovery, for everything. There was even a study out of Jerusalem. It shows it lengthens telomeres. They did this process where they had. You took 60 sessions of 90 minutes over the course of 90 days. So 60 hour and a half sessions over the course of 90 days. And it showed it lengthened people's telomeres. That was really. Yeah, that was equal to a 20 age difference. So, yeah, 20 year age difference. So it's like your telomeres, as you get older, that. That's like one of the clear marks of biological aging is how long your telomeres are.

Brendan Allen (45:02)

That's good to know.

Joe Rogan (45:03)

Yeah, it indicates, you know, like, as you get older, they shrink. And the only. There's a few things that they've shown that will increase telomeres, but nothing as dramatically that I've ever heard. Other than the hyperbaric chamber. That was probably the best one I've ever heard of.

Brendan Allen (45:15)

Yeah, I, man, I've been like, trying to learn more about recovery because I'm.

Joe Rogan (45:20)

Kind of like, how old are you now?

Brendan Allen (45:21)

I'll be 30 in a couple weeks.

Joe Rogan (45:23)

Yeah, that's when you got to start thinking about it. When you're 22, you're just a wild man. You wake up in the morning with rock hard boners, like, everything's fine.

Brendan Allen (45:31)

You just show up to train and you don't even stretch. Now I'm like, yeah, wait a minute, guys. Wait a minute.

Joe Rogan (45:36)

The thing is, Even if you're 22, you should stretch. That's just youthful ignorance. God, it's so. There's so many guys that can't. I remember I was talking to. I don't want to say his name because he's a good guy, but he's like a world class MMA fighter. And I was trying to show him something. We were talking about, like guard technique. He's like, I can't. And I'm not flexible. I can't get my leg like that. And I go, what do you mean not flex? I go, why aren't you flexible? He goes, I'm not. I don't stretch. I go, how do you not stretch? You're a world class fighter who tries to kick people in the head and you don't stretch. That's so crazy. He's like, it's boring. I'm like, okay, yeah, a lot of things are boring. Like, that you don't stretch is so crazy, because, like, anytime someone says, I'm not flexible, I'm like, how do you know?

Brendan Allen (46:20)

Right?

Joe Rogan (46:20)

You know, like, you don't know if you're flexible until you start stretching for a long time.

Brendan Allen (46:27)

Right?

Joe Rogan (46:27)

You can get flexible. It's like, I don't have any cardio. Well, you can get cardio.

Brendan Allen (46:31)

That's a choice. Get.

Joe Rogan (46:33)

Do cardio and you'll have cardio. This is crazy.

Brendan Allen (46:37)

I'm not flexible.

Joe Rogan (46:38)

Yeah, but it's like, I'd never stopped. But I started when I was little. I. I developed flexibility while my body was still maturing, which is very fortunate because you're not, like, like, stiff yet. It's like, you can get flexible, but it's. I'm 58 years old. It's not easy to stay flexible. I just keep stretching.

Brendan Allen (46:55)

I didn't know you was.

Joe Rogan (46:56)

I'm old as.

Brendan Allen (46:57)

Dude, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was younger than that. You're older than my dad.

Joe Rogan (47:00)

I'm old, dude.

Brendan Allen (47:01)

Good shape, though.

Joe Rogan (47:01)

Thank you. I keep up. I'm scared of death. I'm not scared of death. Death is inevitable. What I'm scared of is being feeble. Like, where you can't do things anymore. You can't go on a hike. You can't use your body. Like, I work out just as hard now as I did when I was 30.

Brendan Allen (47:18)

I make my wife always worried because I'm like, I don't know. I don't honestly know if I mean it or not. I'm like, I don't want to be 80 years old. Like, for instance, like, you kind of.

Joe Rogan (47:29)

Not say things like that around ladies sometimes. They don't.

Brendan Allen (47:32)

Like, she's like. She's like, no, I'm not saying that. I need you. Like, we're a team. And I'm like, babe, look what I do for a living. Look what I've done. Like, my body's not like that. Like, you know? And, like, I don't know. Maybe I say that. But then, like, I get out of working out for, like, I haven't worked out in, like, two months. And I'm like, I'm itching like a freaking fiend.

Joe Rogan (47:50)

I'm like, so when you say I haven't worked out, like, you don't do anything for two months.

Brendan Allen (47:54)

I haven't done anything. I went in the gym twice. I went in the gym twice. I did one run and one lift. And then we found out my foot had fractures. And they sent me this foot boot. And then Doctors like, you don't have to wear that, but don't do anything that puts a lot of pressure on your foot. And then I've been traveling, like at the end of the year I travel a lot, going hunting and stuff and you know, like, like, like your meat eater thing, like.

Joe Rogan (48:15)

Yep.

Brendan Allen (48:15)

I love that kind of stuff. So I'm not on that big of a scale and that nice of like animals. I'm just like, just a simple whitetail kind of guy. But, you know, whitetails, I love it. I got little property in Illinois and.

Joe Rogan (48:26)

Oh, that's great, man. So I can't believe that you could take a whole couple of months off with nothing. Just don't do nothing crazy, right?

Brendan Allen (48:33)

Yeah, I'm very blessed.

Joe Rogan (48:35)

Well, it's probably smart. It's probably smart to do.

Brendan Allen (48:38)

It's good and bad.

Joe Rogan (48:39)

A few people do that.

Brendan Allen (48:40)

It's good and bad. So, like, I only do it this much at the end of the year because it's hunting season and holidays, my kids birthdays and you know, kind of my kids birthdays are right now or back to. Well, I guess all the time. They're back to. Back to back. So it's like, all right, we'll do that. We travel, but it's only end of the year. Usually I'll take a couple weeks off, maybe a month max, depending on my injuries after a fight. But then I'm back at it. But it's hard for me at home. I'm a full time dad and a full time husband at home right now. Got so many kids, you know, I'm away for.

Joe Rogan (49:12)

So how many kids you have?

Brendan Allen (49:13)

I'm about to have five. Wow. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (49:16)

Five. And you're not even 30 yet.

Brendan Allen (49:18)

Yes, sir. I have two with my ex. I'm about to have two with my current wife. And she has a son from her previous so steps.

Joe Rogan (49:25)

Wow.

Brendan Allen (49:26)

Yeah, so. And he's 14. My daughter's just turned 6 and 4. My son's about to turn 1 and then we'll have another one in about a month and a half.

Joe Rogan (49:34)

So you got a lot of work to do.

Brendan Allen (49:36)

Yeah, but it's. It's nice. It's hard right now. You know, kids have schedules and now like my, my little girls do jiu jitsu. My stepson was playing football for the first time this year and he, He's a basketball player because my wife was a pro basketball player. And so he's always got something going on. But at my new house that I'm working to build, I have like two gyms Full gym. So, like, I don't have to leave.

Joe Rogan (49:57)

Oh, that's nice.

Brendan Allen (49:58)

I could bring people in to train. I have my full cage that I used to have for my promotion, so.

Joe Rogan (50:02)

Well, even if you only, you realize only I only have 40 minutes before I have to leave. Leave. But I can get a half hour workout on real quick and you could really burn it out for a half an hour just to keep. Keep the machine oiled.

Brendan Allen (50:13)

Exactly.

Joe Rogan (50:14)

But you know the argument about taking time off, it does reset the brain. Like, you know who used to do that? I know he's not a fighter, but Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman is crazy. As he used to lift when he was Mr. Olympia and he was one of the heaviest lifters of all time. I mean, he would do freak. He's a freak. Ronnie. When he would, like, get done with Mr. Olympia, he would like, I'm not doing. He wouldn't do anything for like a couple months. Like, no training at all. And they'd be like, nothing at all. You. Nope, Nothing, Nothing.

Brendan Allen (50:41)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (50:41)

He goes, I got to reset. Got to reset. But imagine being so driven that you could train the way that guy trained and yet so wise that you're like, I'll get it back. Let me just, like, let me just chill. Yeah, just chill. And it wasn't like it turned him into a lazy person. Like, that's what everyone's afraid of. Oh, I'm going to lose this momentum. I'm doing so good. Everything's going so great. I'm working so hard. I want to keep working hard because we've all had. If you live a life, you're going to have ups and you're going to have downs and like, you were going through your thyroid issue. There's going to be times where you don't have a lot of energy. So when you're feeling good, you want to keep going. Right, right. And this guy gets to Mr. Olympia, but he has the wisdom to go, you know what? I can get that back right now. Let's just not do and let this. Let this mind recover, let this stress just go away, Let it slip out of my life.

Brendan Allen (51:35)

That's what I try, man. I kind of learned, like, because I always have traveled for camp since I was probably three or four and oh, as a pro, or three and one as a pro. Three or four fights in. As a pro. I was traveling. I was going to Rufus Sport for a long time. I stayed there for a long time. Then I went to Florida for a long time. And now I'm not Chicago. And Always.

Joe Rogan (51:56)

What gym are you on now?

Brendan Allen (51:58)

Valley Flow.

Joe Rogan (51:59)

Okay.

Brendan Allen (52:00)

Like, war room. With Muhammad.

Joe Rogan (52:02)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (52:03)

So. And that's been a box. Yeah, man, he's so good. Both the brother. He got a little brother.

Joe Rogan (52:08)

Oh, really?

Brendan Allen (52:08)

He's a stud. He's a stud.

Joe Rogan (52:10)

I believe it. If he comes out of that family, Monday's is a beast.

Brendan Allen (52:13)

He's a stud. The little brother is a stud. He helped me for Marvin's fight, I think, and then Nacho helped me a little bit for this one, this last one.

Joe Rogan (52:22)

How did you choose going to Chicago?

Brendan Allen (52:24)

I've known Bilal since Rufus, Sport, and obviously we stayed in contact. You know, when we see each other, it's like we never, you know, haven't seen each other. And he's always told me, like, bro, just come down. Just come check it out. You don't have to stay or nothing. Like, stay at my house, but you don't have to move here or nothing. Just come check it out. So I watched his. His rise and what he does and his work ethic and his team. And after the Fluffy loss, like, I just. I kind of sat back, had some conversations with people that are really close to me and explain, like, what was going on with me, like, mentally and where I felt. And I. Balal was one of the people I talked to, and he's like, I know what the problem is. And everyone that I talked to, which wasn't a lot, they all said exactly the same thing. So I was like, b, Can I come?

Joe Rogan (53:08)

What's the problem? What was the problem?

Brendan Allen (53:10)

Complacency. I know, like, who I can train with and not go hard. I'm. I'm the coach of my own thing. Like, I'm running my whole, like, whole camp. Basically, I go to.

Joe Rogan (53:18)

Oh, you were running your whole camp?

Brendan Allen (53:19)

Basically, I'd be like, Wagner's for Jiu Jitsu? Yeah. I'd go to Vagner's for Jiu Jitsu. I'd go. I'd be at Killcliffe, but I'd be in the corner doing my thing. Because you had the Russian coach over here teaching some crazy stuff that don't make no sense.

Joe Rogan (53:31)

What do you mean?

Brendan Allen (53:31)

Like, they'd be teaching some stuff off the wall that would never work. Really? Yeah. But the kid, like, the kid. The Russian kids, like, they were in the classes. Like, they got young, young guys like Ansar Nikita, like, Bison Gore. He wasn't even there. Like, those guys, they were like, come over here. Let's do something else. Like, they have, like, real MMA knowledge because they fight and They've learned from, you know, all the guys from where they're from. But.

Joe Rogan (53:55)

So who are these Russian coaches? That.

Brendan Allen (53:57)

It was just one man.

Joe Rogan (54:00)

You don't have to say his name.

Brendan Allen (54:01)

Yeah, he was just. He's not there no more. But.

Joe Rogan (54:03)

But he was a legit coach.

Brendan Allen (54:05)

He never fought.

Joe Rogan (54:06)

Okay. Did he fight in anything? Kickboxing?

Brendan Allen (54:09)

Nope.

Joe Rogan (54:10)

Nothing.

Brendan Allen (54:10)

I don't know if he even competed in wrestling, to be honest with you. Ever? I don't know.

Joe Rogan (54:14)

Okay. Is he like. Does he spar with people?

Brendan Allen (54:16)

Nope.

Joe Rogan (54:17)

How old is he?

Brendan Allen (54:18)

I would say in his 30s, I would say. I would say. Yeah, I would guess.

Joe Rogan (54:22)

And he's a coach.

Brendan Allen (54:23)

They.

Joe Rogan (54:24)

But he's coaching unorthodox stuff. Like what kind of stuff?

Brendan Allen (54:27)

Like, stuff against the wall. But it was like, for instance, I don't remember what it was. It was against the wall. I was going with my friend aj, Aaron Jeffries. And it was some takedown off the wall, right? AJ couldn't get it. I was like, bro, this. And I don't say it out loud because I don't want no problems, you know, like. Right. I'm gonna just go with the flow and mind my business. But, you know, I've been doing it long enough to where it's like, you realize this move's probably not gonna work for my body type or my game, but I'll try it, right? And so anyway, he was doing it, and AJ's like, Bro, I don't get it. I was like, yeah, cuz, this shit ain't gonna work, bro. He's like, what? I was like, it's not gonna work, I'm telling you. So he calls the coach over, and he was like, you do. The guy looks at me, he goes. He's telling him. Then he looks at me, goes, stop it.

Brendan Allen (55:11)

Me. He's like, yeah. I was like, bet he tries to do it. I literally grab his wrist, grab his head, and throw him. Boom.

Joe Rogan (55:19)

Is he your size?

Brendan Allen (55:20)

He's bigger than me.

Joe Rogan (55:21)

Oh, wow.

Brendan Allen (55:22)

Throw him.

Joe Rogan (55:22)

And so it didn't work?

Brendan Allen (55:23)

No. He's like, let me try one more time. Let's go full speed. I said, shit, that was full speed. Do the exact same thing, but do it the other way. Now. Boom. Throw him again. AJ looks at me, he says, the. The coach says something. I say, then. Then I get agitated, right? Then I'm like, man, that's because this ain't gonna work. I told y'. All. Y' all don't listen to me. I just walked off.

Joe Rogan (55:43)

Oh, that's not good.

Brendan Allen (55:45)

You know, So I just walk off. And I was like, I ain't taking this guy.

Joe Rogan (55:48)

Become a coach there.

Brendan Allen (55:49)

Sticking around and translating.

Joe Rogan (55:51)

Oh, no.

Brendan Allen (55:53)

You know something?

Joe Rogan (55:53)

There's those weird guys like that. I'm not saying that this guy's like that, but, yeah, there are some weird guys like, that become parasitic. You know, they're like friends with a guy who's a really good fighter, and then they're always there, and then they want to be a part of the team somehow, and then they start contributing or they start maybe running conditioning drills or something. You're like, why is this guy running conditioning drills?

Brendan Allen (56:13)

That's exactly how it went.

Joe Rogan (56:14)

Oh, that's the worst.

Brendan Allen (56:15)

Exactly how it went. Literally.

Joe Rogan (56:17)

There's weird, parasitic relationships in any elite, like, thing, whether it's sports. I see it in comedy. There's some comedians that have weird parasitic friends that wind up, you know, becoming a producer on their thing. And there's just some guy who just. Just like. Like a lamprey clinging to the bottom of a shark.

Brendan Allen (56:34)

It got weird for a little while, especially at the end. It did, like, when I was still there.

Brendan Allen (56:40)

With that whole thing, because even some of the other coaches started to catch on, because at Killcliffe, you know, sometimes we have a lot of guys fighting, like, all over the place, so coaches would be gone, and you try to, you know, figure that situation out. So he'd step in and try to help. And it just got weird. But, like, again, I'm not the kind of person that really caused a conflict. Like, I'd rather just like, if, like, just for instance, if you're causing something, like some type of energy with me, I'm gonna just move over here and just stay out your way.

Joe Rogan (57:06)

You know, the world needs more people like you.

Brendan Allen (57:08)

Well, my younger self would have. I want a conflict. I'm gonna. I'm gonna show you.

Joe Rogan (57:13)

Right, of course. But now as you go wiser, yeah, you realize, like, what's the. Also, you're an elite, professional mixed martial arts fighter. You ain't got shit to prove to somebody.

Brendan Allen (57:23)

That's kind of how I feel now. I see some of these younger kids. I feel so. I see some of these younger kids now, and I'm just like, let me just stay over here.

Joe Rogan (57:30)

It gets people hurt. It ruins your life, and that's what.

Brendan Allen (57:32)

It ruined, your life. I don't. I don't want that to happen because, like, I have kids, I have a wife. I have a good life. I live very nice. Like, as far as, like, my lifestyle. Like, I'm here with you right now. You know, also, it's pointless.

Joe Rogan (57:45)

I've seen bar fights where, you know, there's young guys and they just like, see an opportunity. They want to prove something. I'm like, I just want to tell them, like, hey, man, one day you're going to be 35. You're going to be looking back on this day and maybe it's the day you got stabbed, maybe it's the day you got shot. You know, maybe it's the day you got knocked the fuck out, your head bounced off the concrete and you'll never be the same person again.

Brendan Allen (58:06)

Yeah, like, exactly what you said. It's just not worth it.

Joe Rogan (58:08)

Like, you know Kevin James, the. The comedian?

Brendan Allen (58:11)

Yeah. He used to come to the gym.

Joe Rogan (58:12)

Oh, that's. That's awesome. He trains a lot. Good friend of mine, I've been friends of mine for 30 years. When I first met him, he told me a story of when he was bouncing. When he was bouncing at a bar in Long Island. One of his friends there was a bouncer and some drunk kid was starting shit and he knocked this kid out and the kid fell down and hit his head and died. And he wound up doing time. He went to jail for manslaughter.

Brendan Allen (58:35)

One of my best friends got stabbed in the face in New Orleans because he was. He didn't even know he was talking to this dude's chick. And he didn't know, right? He didn't know. Like, she didn't say nothing. She came up to him. He was just at the bar. Dude came and stabbed him in the face, broke his jaw, stabbed him and ran. He has a. He has a nice scar. It's. He's older now, so it's kind of went away but like through his beard, but wired his jaw shut. He was messed up for a while, you know, in the face.

Joe Rogan (59:01)

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Brendan Allen (59:39)

Exactly.

Joe Rogan (59:40)

Yeah. You just got lucky.

Brendan Allen (59:41)

So it's like got lucky to hit.

Joe Rogan (59:43)

That jaw, not your carotid artery. Oh, my God. I watched a video of these guys in London, and they're yelling at each other and squaring off each other back and forth and back and forth. And then finally they get on it, and one guy just pulls out a fucking knife and slices this dude's neck. And this dude is just squirting out of his neck, and he tries to fight for a second, then he just gets woozy, and he's just squirting as he goes down. I don't know what happened. I'm assuming he died because I'm looking at the amount of blood loss if someone didn't jump on that and compress it. And even if you did, the carotid artery is, like, such a significant amount of blood that's going through there, depending on, I guess, the damage.

Brendan Allen (60:20)

Dude, I think I had, like.

Joe Rogan (60:21)

So stupid.

Brendan Allen (60:22)

I've always heard the story. Obviously, you know how stories are. But I've heard from a couple different people. I have, like, a great uncle. Somewhere along the line, he passed out. Passed away. Before I was alive. He was in a bar. I know right where the place is. Everything's. The building's still there to this day. He was in the bar. He was sitting down, having some drinks with a friend. I don't know the relationship between him and the guy. The guy walked up behind him, slit his throat.

Joe Rogan (60:45)

Oh, God.

Brendan Allen (60:46)

He missed the carotid arteries, both of them, by, like, not even a quarter of an inch. Like, not even eighth of an inch. He missed both of them. So it was just here.

Joe Rogan (60:54)

Oh.

Brendan Allen (60:54)

He chased the guy out, almost beat him to death, and then almost died because he couldn't breathe. Like.

Joe Rogan (61:00)

Oh, God.

Brendan Allen (61:01)

But almost beat the guy to death. Almost. Almost died. So two people almost died, bro.

Joe Rogan (61:06)

Nightclubs are so bad.

Brendan Allen (61:08)

I've never been a club. I hate, like, a group of people. I hate it. I get very offsetting.

Joe Rogan (61:12)

There's too many people on coke. There's too many people. They're stupid. There's too many people that want to, like, bro, I fucking see red. And, you know, there's too many dummies. When I was a kid, when I was 21 years old, I was at a bar, and I watched this guy hit a guy in the face with a Heineken bottle at a. Out of nowhere, over nothing. I was standing by the bar, and there's these two guys. They were as close as Jamie is to me, and they were talking to each other, like, loud voices, but nothing crazy. Like, no physical shit. And this Guy just takes a Heineken bottle off the ball and smashes it on his face. And there was blood everywhere. This guy was just. Just leaking all over his face. I was like, the guy's face is destroyed for the rest of his life over literally nothing. Literally nothing.

Brendan Allen (61:57)

It's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan (61:58)

It's just. There's too many people out there that are fucking stupid, man. And you get sucked into their gravity.

Brendan Allen (62:04)

You know, you like the guys that, like, they're like, if they know who you are, they'll be like, oh, you can fight. I can shoot. I'm like, all right, so can I. Yeah, congratulations.

Joe Rogan (62:13)

Fight each other or shoot each other.

Brendan Allen (62:14)

That's my.

Joe Rogan (62:15)

Hi, my name is Brendan.

Brendan Allen (62:16)

That's my thing now. I'm like, bro, I don't want to fight or shoot you just leave me alone and leave my family alone. And we're good, bro. I don't. I don't want no problems with nobody.

Joe Rogan (62:23)

Well, the problem is there's too many people out there that haven't proven themselves. They don't have a thing in their life that gives them a challenge all the time where they're proving themselves. So every time they go out, they're trying to prove themselves. Every time they go out, they're trying to puff their chest out and be Billy Badass. And it's. It's so dangerous. And here's where you don't see that. Trained fighters.

Brendan Allen (62:44)

Dude, I used to bounce at a little, like, something small, and I needed the money, obviously. And I will never forget, man, this little dude, he had to be like, this tall, short, and fat. He was. I don't know how tipsy he was. I don't know, right? But all the guys know that I was fighting. I was LFA at the time. And they're like. They always told me, hey, man, don't worry about hitting nobody. If someone swings at you, I got you. Or just hit him and say, I did it. I was like, I'm good, bro. I'm good.

Joe Rogan (63:15)

I'm just so it doesn't get you in trouble.

Brendan Allen (63:17)

Yeah, they were super cool, right? Who knows if that would have really been how it went? I don't know, you know?

Joe Rogan (63:21)

But anyway, if you really fuck somebody up and there was a lawsuit, I guarantee you that I dropped your name, dude.

Brendan Allen (63:25)

There was a. The bartender there, he freaking. I watched it with my own two eyes in the front. This dude and him got into it. The guy slipped because he pushed him and he slipped. It was a little wet, dude. He soccer kicked him so hard in the face so hard. I was like, he got arrested for that.

Joe Rogan (63:42)

Oh, God.

Brendan Allen (63:43)

You know, But. But that little kid, he swung at me, and I don't even know if he hit me or hit my hand. He hit something, right? And I'm laughing. I'm laughing.

Joe Rogan (63:51)

I'm like.

Brendan Allen (63:52)

I couldn't believe it.

Joe Rogan (63:53)

Like, he had that cocaine courage.

Brendan Allen (63:55)

He must have, bro. I'm laughing. I'm l literally doing this, and. Because I was gonna stick him with the right, but he was so little. Like, I was, like, so crazy. No way. And how I saw the punch come, I was like, don't do it.

Joe Rogan (64:07)

There are some people out there that have no idea how to fight, and yet they still try to fight. They have no weapon. They don't have a good punch. They don't have a background of wrestling. They don't have a damn thing. And yet they'll still decide they want to fight someone. And just hope. In today's day and age, how can you hope that people don't know how to fight? I think if you run into 10 guys, one of them can fight today. It's probably the most in human history in terms other than, like, Spartan days, most in human history. And even back then, how good was their technique exactly? You know what I'm saying?

Brendan Allen (64:40)

It's crazy.

Joe Rogan (64:41)

They probably didn't know about calf kicks.

Brendan Allen (64:45)

It's like, my dad grew up boxing, right? So my dad, he would always tell me, like, growing up, he was a little bitch. He was like, I used to get my ass kicked until he had. He had to move in with his grandfather. His grandfather, World War II vet, shot twice, grew up boxing.

Brendan Allen (65:03)

Probably the most rugged man that you'll ever meet. I met him once before he passed away. His voice was so gruff, like, he's a man's man, you know, like one of those. Doesn't say nothing, really. And so he raised my dad, and he used to step outside. Dad, like, kind of mess with him, box like, he put him in boxing. But he knocked my dad out one time because my dad's like, you know, well, man, come on, let's test it. Stepped on his foot and slept him and. But anyway, so like, when he was in high school, thing to do to your kid, dude, he said, my dad said he didn't care about nothing. My dad said he literally watched his. Smash his finger flat with a hammer. The nerves flew out like they were still attached. They flew out.

Joe Rogan (65:41)

Oh, my God.

Brendan Allen (65:42)

Hit his head on throwing bales of hay in the loft. Smoked his head on a railroad spike. That Was in the wood, cracked his skull. He didn't know till two days later. They said if he would have waited a couple, like, 12 more hours, he would have been dead. Because all the swelling on his brain. He had to cut his brain, his skull off to let the fluid come out.

Joe Rogan (66:00)

Oh, God.

Brendan Allen (66:01)

Crazy old. Just stubborn old man, you know.

Joe Rogan (66:04)

That's crazy. Due to your grandson, though, sleeping like that, dude.

Brendan Allen (66:07)

He said, my dad said crazy. My dad said. He. He said we were messing around. He's like, all right. Like, quit messing with me. He always told him that. Leave me alone. He kept on, kept on. He stepped on his foot, and my dad said, quit stepping. He said that's all he remembers. Old school trick slept in. My dad said when he woke up, he had the worst, like, migraine. And he was on the porch drinking a thing, I think tea. And he was like, hey, get your ass up and go clean the dog pen. Get to work.

Joe Rogan (66:32)

Those dudes who came up through World War II, that's a different kind of human being.

Brendan Allen (66:37)

Yeah. You know, so it's like, human being. Like, that's. That's just kind of like how my dad was. So, like, when he got to high school, like, he wasn't the kind to go look for trouble, but he was the kind of person, like my dad told me as well, like, you stick up for the people that can't stick up for themselves.

Joe Rogan (66:51)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (66:52)

Or if someone with you, like, do what you got to do. Just don't. Like, nowadays, he's like, don't put your hands. Like, don't throw punch at them first unless they get an arm for each. Then you throw a bunch first. Don't ever let someone kind of like you, too.

Joe Rogan (67:03)

You could just choke somebody.

Brendan Allen (67:04)

Yeah. Now. But it's, like, hurt him.

Joe Rogan (67:06)

You can just put them to sleep.

Brendan Allen (67:07)

And that's more. I'm. I'm a good hugger, so it's like, I prefer that. But my dad's, like, mean, man. Like, he's different. Like, and he. He, like, he was in the military, and he boxed when he was overseas for, like, 75 bucks because he'd send all his money home to us. So it's like. Like, I don't know, like, people.

Joe Rogan (67:24)

Different kinds of human beings, man.

Brendan Allen (67:25)

I come from something. Like, that's what I feel like when I fight. Like, I'm different. Like, I. I honestly, I. I was telling myself that in the Marvin fight, in between rounds, like, going into the third, because my dad and my brother were both there in attendance for the first time. Like, my Brother hadn't been in any of my fights since probably my second pro fight because of his injury. And so, like, my. I watched my buddy Costello fight for the PFL belt. And he said after the fight, like, he said, word for word, he's like, I was. I was raised by a warrior. He raised two warriors. I'm a fucking warrior. And he's like, that's. That's what I told myself. And so, like, that stuck in my head till the fight, like, till my fight. So, like, in the third round, like, everyone was like, oh, he falls off in the third. And that was something. Like, my corner was. Because that was my first time in Chicago. So, like, Horacio looked at me in between rounds and he was like, hey, let's go. Like, let's. Let's restart it. He said something else and I was like, I'm good. Just get out of the way. Like, you know, that's. It's kind of one of those moments where it's like you're living in the moment, but I don't know.

Joe Rogan (68:26)

Well, I think just having a coach is really important. It's really important, especially having an elite coach. Having a coach that's really on top of it, you know? Yeah, I guess a safe side, you know, Faraza Hobby, Duke Rufus. Having someone who's, like, really on it, really watching you, really knows what you need. Really knows when you need to back off. Because the fact that you did so well and that you were coaching yourself is kind of crazy.

Brendan Allen (68:53)

Well, when I say I have coaches. Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan (68:56)

But I didn't have a main coach.

Brendan Allen (68:58)

Yes, sir, exactly.

Joe Rogan (68:59)

That's the difference. So for people that don't know, okay, if you listen to this and you're just interested in mma, generally there's a striking coach. Usually they have some sort of a Muay Thai or kickboxing background. You generally have wrestling coaches. You generally have jiu jitsu coaches. And if you're a really good gym, you got one guy who knows how to put it all together, right? And those are the maestros. Those are the guys who are, like, conducting the entire orchestra, and they know you. And if a good guy knowing his fighter is like an artist. And I think you can only have a certain amount of people that you're working really closely with because it's a very involved and intensive job. Like Eric Nixik. That's a guy, he gets down into the nitty gritty of every fucking thing you guys are able. He's watching you. He knows what you need, he knows what you don't need, you know, it's like, it's also. You got a guy who could just push it off to him. He knows what to do. He's gonna give you game plans in between rounds. Okay, this is working, but we need more of this. He does this all the time. When he does, the reason why he's getting away with it is because of that. That. Get it in your head. Go out there. When I hear guys and the guys losing and they get no technical advice and. And they start getting. Go them up, you gotta. Them up, you gotta put hands on them, like. And I'm like, oh my God. Tell him what to do. He knows how to fight.

Brendan Allen (70:10)

Get on top, tell. Get on top, tell them what to do. Stand up.

Joe Rogan (70:15)

And I get it. You only have a minute. I get it and I get it. Everybody's panicking. If things are going wrong. I get it. But my God, it's been having a good coach, having like a farasa hobby type dude in your corner who just really understands what you need to do. So fucking important.

Brendan Allen (70:30)

It's been one of the best changes that I have because I ain't gonna lie, I'm not the easiest person to deal with. Like, I like to be very in control of things that I can control. And I know myself. Like I, I've done a lot, I've been around a lot. So I like, I know like, hey man, like, I'm feeling it today. Like my body's kind of done. No, no, no, no. Go, go, go. 100% it, you know.

Joe Rogan (70:53)

Do you monitor all your. Do you monitor your resting heart rate?

Brendan Allen (70:56)

Yeah. Now I don't usually have my whoop on because I used to have the aura. But it hurt like I couldn't train with it, so.

Joe Rogan (71:02)

Right.

Brendan Allen (71:02)

But I, I know I just took it off because I was training jiu jitsu.

Joe Rogan (71:05)

Or is a little bit of a problem when you lift weights too?

Brendan Allen (71:07)

Exactly. I pinch my finger so bad.

Joe Rogan (71:10)

Well, have you ever seen she thing injuries? You ever seen those, what is it.

Brendan Allen (71:14)

Where it rips the skin of your finger off?

Joe Rogan (71:16)

The first time I ever saw one, I never saw them in person.

Brendan Allen (71:18)

Person.

Joe Rogan (71:18)

But the first time I ever saw one, it was somebody who did jiu jitsu and they did jiu jitsu with a ring on, like a wedding ring and just mangled her finger. What it's called sheathing because it pulls all your skin off the bone like a sheath. You would stop.

Brendan Allen (71:33)

Yeah. I didn't know that's what it was called.

Joe Rogan (71:34)

That's what it's Called. It's like a sheath. Yeah, here's some. Some of these injuries. I thought, like, bro, look at that, dude.

Brendan Allen (71:40)

E. The first time I ever seen it was someone a gee. It got caught in the ghee.

Joe Rogan (71:45)

Oh, my God.

Brendan Allen (71:46)

Like you said. Took the skin off. Yeah, he had the red wing and he had. I think he made the grip on the. On the sleeve. And when the guy pulled it, like, took it, like, caught that, like, fat, that little muscle or whatever right there. Skin off, the whole skin.

Joe Rogan (72:00)

I've never seen that, dude.

Brendan Allen (72:01)

It was so nasty, like you said. I was like, oh, my God. So now I am a hundred percent sure that I don't wear my wedding ring. That's why it's tattooed on my finger. Because when I go to camp, I don't. I don't wear a wedding ring. She knows when I get to camp, I take it off, I put it in my truck. When camp is over and I get home from the fight, I put it back on.

Joe Rogan (72:18)

I don't have mine on now because I just came from the gym, but I used to have a silicone one. Why not? Used to. I have a silicone one that I use all the time that I can work out with it. I could do anything with it.

Brendan Allen (72:28)

Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan (72:29)

Yeah. What is that company Ridge? Is that what it is? No, that's the wallet company. Is that what it is?

Brendan Allen (72:35)

They're making all kinds of stuff, but.

Joe Rogan (72:36)

There'S luggage, and it's a good one.

Brendan Allen (72:38)

It's.

Joe Rogan (72:38)

There's. There's. It looks like a aura ring too, but it's. It's made out of silicone, so even if you catch it on something, it's no big deal. But even that, I forget which. Which coach it was. I forget which coach. It's like. Like an elite jiu jitsu coach. He goes, I refuse to let a guy even train with that. He goes, I've seen too many injuries. Too many injuries where your finger just gets mangled by having that stupid thing on there.

Brendan Allen (73:00)

That's nasty. That's like grooving groove.

Joe Rogan (73:02)

That's it.

Brendan Allen (73:03)

Yeah, I feel like that with. Those are legit knee injuries and like. Like dislocations.

Joe Rogan (73:07)

Oh, dude. You know what creeps me the most is broken shins. When I see that. That shin check when this. The shin snaps, like, ah.

Brendan Allen (73:15)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (73:16)

There's ever a fight that I think a guy should have pulled out that didn't. And I. If I was his friend, I would have told him, you cannot fight. It's Connor when he fought Dustin the second Fight with Dustin. Excuse me? The third fight with Dustin when his shin snapped in half. You know, they knew that he had some sort of a hairline fracture on his shit.

Brendan Allen (73:32)

Really?

Joe Rogan (73:32)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (73:32)

I never knew that.

Joe Rogan (73:33)

He had already had MRIs and everything. They knew something was really wrong with it.

Brendan Allen (73:36)

Yeah, screw that. No, no.

Joe Rogan (73:38)

And he didn't even. It didn't even like go shin to knee or anything like that. Like, it usually snaps. That's how compromised it was. If you watch that fight, there is one time where Dustin checks it and he checks the kick and he looked at him, he pointed at him like, I know that hurt you. Like, he like got in his head. And that was also after Dustin had just KO'd him in the last fight. So this was the third fight. Yeah, and it was weird, man, because in the first fight it was like, nice guy Connor. It was like nice guy Connor. Even after the fight, like after the fight, he was being cool. He got KO'd his leg up with those calf kicks. And after the fight he was so respectful. I'm like, look, Connor turned a corner.

Brendan Allen (74:17)

Not the third one.

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Brendan Allen (76:08)

Oh, bro, it's so funny. But it's like, I know where Dustin, he comes from. Like a same vibe that I come from and like, same things probably bother him. So when he said that you could see Dustin, like, even though he just whooped him, he was like, like, you.

Joe Rogan (76:21)

Know, crazy thing to say while you're lying there with a broken leg.

Brendan Allen (76:23)

For sure.

Joe Rogan (76:24)

You know, a guy could just keep it.

Brendan Allen (76:25)

Well, though, you know who took it the best that I've seen personally? Tyrone Sponge. When he snapped his in half, he's just sitting there. We talk about this too. I'm like, bro, how'd you sit there? Just like. He's like. To be honest, I think he said, like, to be honest, I was a little in shock at first, and then I was like, what am I gonna do?

Joe Rogan (76:44)

It is what it is.

Brendan Allen (76:45)

Yeah. Like, what am I gonna do? Like, it sucks.

Joe Rogan (76:46)

That's wise. Yeah, he was a G. And that is. That was against Gokan Saki too.

Brendan Allen (76:51)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (76:51)

That was a kickboxing fight. Yeah, I remember in a kickboxing fight isn't interesting. It's way more common in an MMA fight. I've only seen it a couple times in kickbox. I've seen it. God, thank God, thank. Because of Instagram, luckily, I get to see every horrific injury that's ever happened. God, I've seen it. Seems like I never saw it until 1. Who was the first time? Was it Corey Hill? I think it was Corey Hill was the first guy who broke his. And Corey was like a real tall thin guy. I believe he fought at 145 and he was something crazy. Like 6 3. At 145.

Brendan Allen (77:26)

Yep.

Joe Rogan (77:26)

It was real tall and skinny. And who did he fight?

Brendan Allen (77:31)

Jamie will find he passed away, right?

Joe Rogan (77:33)

Yes, he did.

Brendan Allen (77:34)

Unfortunately, he fought in Louisiana a good big. Because I remember when he passed away, they were doing some stuff for him there.

Joe Rogan (77:40)

So that was also. The referee didn't notice it. Dale.

Joe Rogan (77:46)

It just says Dale H on the thing.

Brendan Allen (77:51)

Oh.

Brendan Allen (77:56)

Bro, that gets me.

Joe Rogan (77:57)

So during the fight, the referee didn't notice it, so they kept fighting. And I put my headsets down and I got up and I was screaming, stop the fight. Stop the fight. The referee didn't notice it. He didn't notice that the guy's leg broke. So they were still scrapping on the ground.

Brendan Allen (78:16)

I. I hope that was the end because I did not notice that his leg is literally in It.

Joe Rogan (78:20)

It's just a bad angle. You know, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wow. Looking at where the referee is standing, there's actually kind of no excuse.

Joe Rogan (78:30)

There it is. Let's see.

Brendan Allen (78:31)

It falls back. Look.

Joe Rogan (78:32)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (78:36)

Be stopped.

Brendan Allen (78:37)

Stop the fight. Stop the fight. Fight is all over.

Joe Rogan (78:40)

Corey Hill.

Brendan Allen (78:41)

Dang.

Joe Rogan (78:42)

Suffered a broken leg.

Brendan Allen (78:43)

Whoa.

Joe Rogan (78:44)

Heart.

Brendan Allen (78:45)

You saw it instantly on your monitor.

Joe Rogan (78:46)

I saw it instantly in the cage.

Brendan Allen (78:49)

Oh, dang.

Joe Rogan (78:50)

I wasn't watching the monitor. I don't even think we had monitors back then.

Brendan Allen (78:53)

I was just about to ask that question.

Joe Rogan (78:55)

I don't think we had monitors back then. We didn't have monitors for a while. The monitors are my idea, really. I was like, we have to have monitors. I want to see monitors. I want to see replays. I want to see.

Brendan Allen (79:03)

Yeah, it was early.

Joe Rogan (79:04)

Early in the ufc, I was like, we need monitors, monitors, you know, and also, the judges should get monitors, too.

Brendan Allen (79:09)

Yeah. Now it's. It's nice. I'll sit behind you.

Joe Rogan (79:11)

See, now that I'm thinking that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we did have monitors. Maybe I was asking for other things because maybe I was asking for monitors for the judges. Like, when did they start having monitors in the ufc? I don't know. But I always try to watch the actual fight. I want to see that actual fight. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I like. You get a better view if the cage is there, but, I mean, man, you're five feet away from the best fights on earth. You want to see it? See it. I don't want to be on TV watching tv. That's crazy.

Brendan Allen (79:37)

Yeah. You got the best seat in the house.

Joe Rogan (79:39)

Oh, it's the craziest seat ever. So when did they start doing it? 2011. Is that for judges? Yeah, that was definitely my idea.

Brendan Allen (79:47)

Or.

Joe Rogan (79:47)

Well, there was other people that had that same idea, but I'm like, you need to do this. This is because there were some of them that were so bad. Some. Some calls that were so bad, it's like, there's no way these guys are seeing everything. You know, if there's a pillar here and a guy lands an elbow and you're judging and you don't see it, like, what do you do? What do you say that might have been the most pivotal moment in the fight? Like, what are you doing? You have to see it. The judging thing is crazy, man. There's judges that don't even train. They've never trained mma. They don't have any jujitsu skill. They don't know what's going on in the middle of a fight. Once this lady leaned over to my friend who was also worked for one of the commissions and said, what is he doing?

Brendan Allen (80:28)

No way.

Joe Rogan (80:30)

It was an Americana. It was a normal move. It was like, what is he doing?

Joe Rogan (80:38)

That's crazy. It was either Americana or Kimura. I'm not sure if I remember.

Brendan Allen (80:42)

I had a mess. He's trying to bite him. What?

Joe Rogan (80:45)

I don't know, but imagine this is a person that's in charge. So the. The really horrible thing about it, about a bad decision, it's not just that you get a loss on your record, but you get half your paycheck, which I think is really up. I think that needs to stop. I think you should have a designated amount that you're fighting for. And if you want to have a stoppage bonus or you want to, you know, give someone some. Some sort of a bonus for an excellent performance, that's great. That incentivizes them to try harder to stop somebody. But a. A bad decision that can cost you half your purse is dude, crazy. It's crazy.

Brendan Allen (81:19)

You know, I had a.

Brendan Allen (81:22)

I'm getting older, you know, so I try to be. Have a little bit more wisdom. So after, like, I lost a Fluffy, I was like, I went back and watched a fight like six times. And I'm like, I really don't see how. How I lost on. On it. On a decision. Like, I can see like your point if you use this frame of mind, but based on the unified rules at the time. How so? I. Dude, I reached out to, like, a lot of people that I knew that are like in the high up in commissions. And like, I had really deep talks with them about it, like, explain my perspective to theirs, the rules. And literally it came down to. It's your interpretation. It's your interpretation of the rules. And it was like it came down to. Is his effective grappling. Even if they're holding, they're still, you know, whatever. Does it outweigh me almost knocking you out and me putting a cut all the way to your skull on your face and you holding me? Which one outweighs what? That's how I explained it to them. And they were like, oh, but he just had more time. I said.

Brendan Allen (82:24)

And look, don't get me wrong. I love Fluffy. I think he's a great human being. I really do. I've known him. We fought twice already and he's beat me both times, both decisions, you know, and. But I don't think I lost the last one. I still Stay. I'll still die on that hill.

Joe Rogan (82:40)

Well, it was a very good fight. It was a very close fight. I see what you're saying, though. And it was one of the things that we brought up during this past fight with Merab and Peter Yan. And I'm like, if you're looking at it in terms of just damage, Peodorean is clearly doing more damage, right? He's hitting Merab with shots that rock him. He kicks him in the body, he's got him screaming. There was never a moment where Merab did that to Pyotr. Even when he hit him with good shots, Piotr was firing back.

Brendan Allen (83:06)

Right.

Joe Rogan (83:07)

Damage is huge. It's what the sport is really about. The sport is really about either damage or coming really close to putting someone out, like submitting them.

Brendan Allen (83:16)

And it's just.

Joe Rogan (83:16)

That's what the sport's about. And when it's just holding, when a guy holds and doesn't do anything with it, it's like that. It's. Look, it's an effective strategy. And if you're fighting a guy who could fuck you up standing and that's all you could do to survive, I understand. Like, I have no problem with boring fights. I really don't. And I know the cat, the fans, like, fogging. Separate them, you know, fuck it, separate them. I have no problem with boring fights because I think if you can let a guy just hold on to you, that is a part of the game.

Brendan Allen (83:47)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (83:47)

If a guy takes you down and holds you down, I think you should be there. Around's only five minutes. I don't believe in standups, and I know that sounds crazy, but even if it's boring as shit, and sometimes I'm happy when they stand people up. I really am. But if it was my rules, if I could make the rules, I'd be like, never stand a person up unless there's a violation of the rules.

Brendan Allen (84:05)

Right?

Joe Rogan (84:05)

Never stand a person up because it's part of the sport. If it's boring, it's boring.

Brendan Allen (84:09)

You know, we talked about it after the fight. Like, after the fight, like, I went in the back and I was frustrated at my. At myself, really. To be honest, I was super frustrated myself. Well, first it was. I was like, they just let him hold the whole time. Like in the third, I literally almost knock him out. Like, I'm talking, right? And Robbie looks at me, Robbie Lawler, and he goes, should have just got up. Then I went, you're right. Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan (84:36)

That's.

Brendan Allen (84:37)

You're right.

Joe Rogan (84:37)

That's some Robbie Lawler wisdom right there.

Brendan Allen (84:39)

And that's. And from there I was like, like, all right.

Joe Rogan (84:42)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (84:43)

But then I found out after, like, one of Fluffy's coaches is he used to be in the commission. Like, so he knows the. They. They explained his pedigree or whatever. And he's very, very, very knowledgeable about what the rules are and all these things. So they. He strategizes, I guess, certain things around that.

Joe Rogan (85:02)

So he strategizes certain things around the rules.

Brendan Allen (85:04)

Yeah, that's what. That's what I heard. Well, that's what they told me. And he.

Joe Rogan (85:07)

A lot of guys do that.

Brendan Allen (85:08)

He canceled. Like, he. He was in the commission, like, part of it, like, I guess work for them. And he's like. He pulled out of working there because he wanted to be for Fluffy more, which is admirable. But, like, he didn't want to have, like, conflict.

Joe Rogan (85:20)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (85:20)

So I thought that was pretty cool. But, like, I will say, like, what Fluffy did really good that I was prepared for, like, wrestling like crazy. But I wrestle with guys that are, like, folk style wrestlers. What he does very well is he don't shoot normal shots. He doesn't shoot like a double or a single. He shoots like, it looks like it's gonna be a double, but he's only at your hips. He's just trying to get your hips. Then he's circling right away if he can. Or putting you to the cage and working his sequences from there. But he has very awkward shots. They're so weird. Like, I could see them and I was like, oh, I'm about to stuff it, but I'm the kind of guy, like, you got to touch me. And then I'm gonna go. I'm not just gonna react that way. You can set it up for something else, right? But as soon as he touches me, like in the second, he was. I didn't know how, but I watched it back. I went to, like, catch a whizzer, and next thing you know, my feet came out from under me because we were both circling so hard. I was trying to get the whizzer and he was trying to go to my back, and my feet came out from under me. I just landed, like, on my shoulder. And I'm like. In the fight, I'm like, what the fuck just happened? There's no way this is where my head's at. I'm like, no fucking way that he just did this. I'm like, what the fuck just happened? And my corner's yelling at me. His corner's yelling, and I'm still in my head, like, like, what the. Like, what? Just. Dude, it took me, like, probably a minute and a half to, like, transfer into something else. And then I was like, he's not doing nothing, so I'll just get him next round, which terrible frame of mindset we've worked on. And then the third. But yeah, man, I was like, still, like, after the fight, I was like, yo, I asked my boy, I was like, how do you get me down? They're like, he went for a guillotine. I said, I ain't go for no goddamn guillotine till the third. And then I swept him with it and stood back up. I was like, I didn't do that, I swear. But, yeah, man. But like I said, he has a clever style. He's a savage.

Joe Rogan (87:09)

He. And he also has a crazy gas tank, man. He melts guys. That guy melts guys. That delete say thing where he grabbed his neck and just like. Like a bouncer at a nightclub just dragged him back to finish him. That was crazy.

Brendan Allen (87:21)

Yeah, man, I. That's one thing I wish I would have gave, like, put more output, like, because I wasn't. Everyone's like, you're tired. I was like, bro, I was having a full conversation like this in between rounds right after the fight. I wasn't tired. I was just complacent. Like, I was like, oh. Like, I'm already gonna. Because I beat Malcoon like that. Because all he did was hold. Literally just held. And I'm hitting him bang, bang, bang. How am I supposed to improve my position? You're literally just holding. You're not even moving at all. You're not lifting your weight. You're not doing nothing, right? So I won that fight because I did more damage and I had fight ending intentions. I felt I had that with Fluffy. So in the third, I was like, I'm elbowing him and he's gushing blood. And I'm looking at the ref like, yo, he's just holding. I try to get up, he's just. He just picks my ankle and I go back down. I elbow him some more, try to get back up. He got on top for, like, a minute, but he didn't do nothing, really. Anyway, that's where my frame of mindset was at. And it was just terrible, you know, looking back. But I would love a third, you know.

Joe Rogan (88:15)

Well, it'll probably happen. It'll probably happen somewhere down the line because it'd be a great fight.

Brendan Allen (88:18)

Yeah, that's Where. Well, that's where the kind of the hold up is, I guess, right now of like, obviously, you know how politics work in this game, but it's like the top five is the champion. Dracus.

Brendan Allen (88:30)

No, I'm sorry. Champion. Dricus Imavov, Sean Strickland, Fluffy, me. And it's like, all right, Sean. They just announced Sean and Fluffy. Yep. That's cool. And then Imov's waiting. They've all. They both said they. They're gonna wait for that one. So it's just me and Dr. And then right behind me is Izzy. Who knows when Izzy's gonna fight or if he's gonna fight or.

Joe Rogan (88:52)

Right.

Brendan Allen (88:53)

So it's like waiting on Dricus. And Dracus always has a lot to say when I'm losing, but when I'm winning, he don't really have enough to say. And then like, I just saw an interview like the other day, and it was like, he was like, yeah, I'd love to, to. To beat his head in or something.

Joe Rogan (89:07)

About you?

Brendan Allen (89:07)

Yeah, about me. And I'm like, well, you have the opportunity to do so, and it only makes sense unless you want to wait forever.

Joe Rogan (89:14)

So I wonder what he does after that Hamza fight, because when a guy dominates you like that, where it's so clear, it's just like one of those gaps that it looks like, oh, you're never going to bridge that gap and that grappling gap, and it's never gonna.

Brendan Allen (89:31)

That. I don't know if you agree, but that should never happen at that level.

Joe Rogan (89:37)

Well, it never does happen at that level. That's the reality. Except Islam and Jack Dalla, Madeleina. That's another similar situation. Yeah, very similar situation. But I think there's, there's guys that you get in there with and, you know, if you're used to a like, B caliber guy or, you know, a high, high level guy.

Brendan Allen (89:56)

Right.

Joe Rogan (89:56)

But there's. There's only a few real A's, and like, Hamza is a real A. Yeah, he's good at.

Brendan Allen (90:01)

He's a savage.

Joe Rogan (90:02)

I talked to DC about him and DC said, dude, when that guy grabbed me and he goes, we were wearing street clothes and everything like that, he goes, I realized, like, oh, I'm gonna have to wrestle, wrestle to keep this guy off me. He was like. He was. He's strong.

Brendan Allen (90:16)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (90:17)

And it's also because, first of all, how the did that guy make 170?

Brendan Allen (90:21)

I don't know, but I don't understand how he talks about going up to 205. Because like you said, you got guys like Pereira, and don't get me wrong, I know they're stylistically different, but I.

Joe Rogan (90:29)

Think he could do it. I think he could do it. I think he could do it. If he takes the time and puts weight on.

Brendan Allen (90:34)

Yeah, if he puts weight on, I think he has a high chance because.

Joe Rogan (90:36)

He'S tall, you know, he's tall. And it's also the thing is, it's like these gaps in wrestling, you know, these gaps in grappling when a guy's a really good grappler, and then you're taking on a guy like Trickus, who's really a striker, right? Who's a good. He's a good grappler, a good jiu jitsu guy. But there's levels, right? And the kind of guy like Hamza, like, man, you got to be a Olympic caliber wrestler to scrap with that guy. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (90:58)

And it's like I tell people, like, I'm not going to go out there and straight beat Chimaev in pure wrestling. Like, it's not going to happen. I'm not stupid. I'm not stupid. But it's mma. Could I take him down? I mean, yeah, I could, but there's other ways to approach the fight that I think I. I have the upper hand. Like, you see how other people have approached him and done well with him. But it's like, you also have very good submissions, too.

Joe Rogan (91:23)

You have real solid jiu jitsu game and you could strike. You know, you're. You've got a very complete package. And I think, you know, the thing about his grappling is if, like, you have that hole. If you have that hole, he's going to find that hole and he's going, mother for sure.

Brendan Allen (91:38)

That's what freaks. That's what, like, makes no sense to me with the Drus fight, right? Like, you're the champion of the world. He took you down no problem, man. I totally understand. I get taken down a lot, you know, but.

Brendan Allen (91:53)

I mean, I know our styles are different, but you didn't try to hip bump. You didn't try to hip escape. You didn't try to scoop the leg and lift and elevate. You didn't try to do nothing. He didn't literally. He didn't try to do nothing. He literally waited for him to establish his position. He'd roll side to side, maybe one hit, bump around when he did. Chermayev did great. Knee sliced or just stepped over past and went crucifix.

Joe Rogan (92:17)

Do you how many times he Put in the crucifix, by the way. That was crazy. It was crazy.

Brendan Allen (92:22)

I only had to be like once around because he wasn't getting out.

Joe Rogan (92:25)

I mean, how many times did he put him in a crucifix in a world championship fight? Has there ever been a fight where a champion has been put in a crucifix that many times?

Brendan Allen (92:34)

Insane.

Joe Rogan (92:34)

It was over and over and over again. We were like, how is he doing this again? This is so crazy.

Brendan Allen (92:39)

And that kind of blew my mind. So that's why it's like, I just.

Joe Rogan (92:42)

Think Chimaev's gap is just so good. And I think also with a guy like Dricus, and you would be the guy to speak to this when you're down and you realize, okay, it's the first round, he's taking me down, he's on top of me. Let me just conserve my energy. This is a five round world championship fight. I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out. He's gonna get tired doing this. He always gets T. But you know, the difference with Hamza in this fight is he trained with Sam Kalavita. Do you know that guy?

Brendan Allen (93:07)

Okay, I just heard he hired someone good.

Joe Rogan (93:09)

Yeah. Kalavita is a real elite strength and conditioning coach and legendary guy. And he runs this, it's called. He just calls it the Garage, okay? It's in Orange County, California, and it's just a garage. And not even a big one, just a small two car garage with no cars in it. And it's all just machines and equipment. He's got Armand Tsarukian training down there. TJ Dillashaw, when he was in his prime, he was training down there. The reason why TJ's conditioning was that such a high level when he was in his prime was he was training with that guy. He has everybody that I know that's trained with him is like, bro, this guy puts you through hell.

Brendan Allen (93:47)

Hell.

Joe Rogan (93:48)

This is, that's TJ when he's training there. And again, this is like, if you see, there's Sam, if you see it like, and when you listen to the guy talk, just extremely knowledgeable, but he gets you to the point. It's called the train. It's, if you look at it, online, training lab on Instagram, T R E I G N lab ing lab training. But training is T R E I G N, like train mma.

Brendan Allen (94:15)

Yeah, I, I, I would know that name, the Training Lab. Because I was like, man, what a weird way.

Joe Rogan (94:19)

That's it. So you see Aaron Pico's there with them. There's Hamza. So I mean, he's got so many elite guys that are training inside of that gym. There's one enchilada.

Brendan Allen (94:29)

I wonder how they, how they work.

Joe Rogan (94:31)

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Brendan Allen (96:21)

That and obviously they have their coaches and stuff dealing with it but like how they operate if, well, such intense.

Joe Rogan (96:26)

The issue with Hamza was over training. So one of the things about Hamza is he's apparently you can't kick him out of the gym. He, he won't stop training, training. And you gotta, you gotta literally like stop him from training. He's a maniac. And when he got Covid, that's what really him up. So he got coveted. And you would think, well, healthy God, like that who gets Covid? That ain't gonna be for him. This silly was training like an animal, two hour sessions with COVID So then you know he's never getting better. So instead of like saying, hey, this cold is not getting better, it's like, don't be, I kill everyone. He shows up again, again, training again, two and a half hours, sick as a dog, coughing and Then he broke his immune system down to a point where they had a hospitalize him. Yeah, I remember him just from training while he had Covid. That's all it was. He just refused to stop training. And look, if you, I don't care what it is, the flu, whatever you have, you're, you're trying to train two and a half hour days when you have a serious lung infection, you're gonna die. There's D.C. and D.C. told me he did one session with him. This is recent, on the bike. Bike, what's that? Resistance. Oh, yeah, yeah. He uses elastic bands along with a, a rogue echo bike. Yeah. So those Rogo Echo bikes, they suck enough. And to have resistance bands while you're doing it too, that's crazy. Yeah. Now Sam's an animal. And again, super knowledgeable, like, knows like what your recovery should be, where your resting heart rate should be, and also super knowledgeable in terms of like supplements, diet and all that stuff. He, he comes from the, the endurance cycling world, which is like, so cycling, you would imagine, like Tour de France style cycling, this probably the most endurance dependent sport on planet Earth because it goes for so long, like you have to be, you have to really understand how to peak in order to compete at a real insane endurance event like that. So he's got this knowledge from that sport that he's transferred over to mma. But everybody I know that's trained with him has said like, man, it just changed everything, changed my whole game. Because now all of a sudden you've got an incredible gas tank.

Brendan Allen (98:37)

Yeah, he's, he's doing good, Chemaev. Like I said, he looked good.

Joe Rogan (98:39)

But I think that was a factor though in that fight because there's no fade in that fight where you saw like the Usman fight, there was a fade in the third round. Usman won that fucking third round.

Brendan Allen (98:48)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (98:48)

And after that third round he was like, fuck, I wish this was a five round fight.

Brendan Allen (98:52)

Yeah. But it's like also like Usman made him have output.

Joe Rogan (98:56)

Yes.

Brendan Allen (98:56)

He didn't really have to. He had one explosion to take him down.

Joe Rogan (99:00)

But Usman can wrestle. That's the difference. Yeah, like he was in there with a guy who's real strong, even though he's a weight class below him. Like it was. Usman had been competing at 170 and Hamza had already committed to 85. He's a bigger guy, but Usman can really wrestle and that's the difference. It's not like a guy that doesn't know what to do. And you Take him down. You ragdom. Usman's like, okay, you got me down, but this is a long ass fight and I'm gonna get back up and we're gonna figure this out. And in the third round, he was figuring it out and he was, he started tuning them up. He was landing good shots.

Brendan Allen (99:30)

Yeah, they. I have a friend that trained with Chermayev. Like, he goes and helps and he's told me, he's like, man, his wrestling's really good. I was like, how good? He was like, it's good. I was like, he whoop you? He's like, no, if I, if he whooped me, why would they bring me in if I, if he whoops me? I was like, touche. Good one. But you know, he is.

Joe Rogan (99:51)

But you still gotta watch that. You gotta watch to see what does he consider whoops. Yeah, let me watch.

Brendan Allen (99:57)

Show me the video. Let me see it. Yeah, let me see what they got.

Joe Rogan (99:59)

Let me go in the room. I want to see in the room.

Brendan Allen (100:02)

But I like his demeanor too. Like the, the, the, the confrontation he had with like, Ian Gary. Like, he's similar to me. Like.

Joe Rogan (100:09)

Well, I don't understand that because I, I had heard there's another angle that shows that Ian, like slapped him on the back pretty hard.

Brendan Allen (100:16)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (100:16)

Oh, he did?

Brendan Allen (100:17)

Yeah. But Ian's that guy. He's like, he's trying to get a rise out of you. That way when you do get a rise, he's like, like a big brother, you know, like nitpicking. He's that guy, he wants you to get a rise out of you. So then he could be like, what are you doing? I didn't mean that. He's like, that's why I don't really like, that's why, that's why I don't like Ian at all. That's because he's.

Joe Rogan (100:36)

You guys were at the same gym for a while.

Brendan Allen (100:38)

Yeah. And he's. And, but like, I don't know, like, I know like other things and like, things that happen. He's just that guy. Like, he's talk shit to me through another person. Like, we're at a. Me and my boy had a fight and he's talking to me through his phone. Bro, shut up. Take your. Stop letting your wife tell you what to do. Bro, shut up. You know? But like, yeah, he, he walks over there and he says something. Dude, he hits him hard on the back and Chema just looks at him. And then he, he did what he did back or whatever and shoved him. Whatever the case. However, that you saw the confrontation from there. But yeah, he did. He hit him and he told him. He was like, like, you hit like you hit me. I'm gonna you up like if you hit me like that again. He tried to like big brother him.

Joe Rogan (101:20)

Like, because the clip that everybody saw was after he slapped him on the back. It looked like Kachemaev just got really aggressive.

Brendan Allen (101:27)

There you go. This is the other angle.

Brendan Allen (101:29)

Like, keeps hitting him, then shakes him as he walks away.

Joe Rogan (101:32)

Yeah. And then he's talking a little.

Brendan Allen (101:36)

Yeah. Oh, we're fine. He's not gonna do nothing.

Joe Rogan (101:38)

So it's a little weirdly aggressive. It ain't that.

Brendan Allen (101:40)

It's passive aggressive.

Joe Rogan (101:41)

It's a little weird. He taps him. It was like a little like, grab his clothes and shove him a little bit.

Brendan Allen (101:48)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (101:48)

It wasn't like a guy that's. Hey, brother. All right.

Brendan Allen (101:50)

Exactly. And that's what he said.

Joe Rogan (101:52)

He's like, good luck to you. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (101:53)

I have to give it to him. Like some things Shamaya says or like, he fought my boy G and they. He talked to him in the hallway. I didn't really like that. But hey, y' all two are gonna fight. Y' all are grown men. Do what y' all want. Some things he might say or do I don't like, I would agree with. But hey, as long as it's not to me, we good. But that, like, and other things he does, I fully agree with. I stand behind as a man, I stand behind him.

Joe Rogan (102:13)

But one of the things I like about Chemaev, like, after he fought Gilbert, Gilbert and him went to war, and then he was like, you're my brother now, you know? You know what I mean? It's like he was really cool with him.

Brendan Allen (102:22)

Yeah. You know, there's a young kid, Ansar, that trains at Killcliffe, and he is so much, like, demeanor wise, from what I see of Chimaev, he's so much like that dude. I'm telling you, this kid's like 18 years old and he is a stud. He's 18. He fought for me on my promotion. His, I think, his debut, dude, he goes and gets in the guy's face. The guy's coming down a weight class. He's going up a weight. Answer is going up a weight class, dude, he don't care. Matter of fact, he's in that streamer's video neon or whatever they post about it. He's the one like throwing RDR around on him.

Joe Rogan (102:58)

Really?

Brendan Allen (102:59)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (103:00)

18 year old kid, dude.

Brendan Allen (103:01)

He gives everybody problems. Gilbert, wow. Was Throwing RDR around.

Joe Rogan (103:06)

Isn't it wild when there's, like, some weird young phenom that is just so much better than they're supposed to be when they're young. Dude, it's real odd when there's. You're around those guys.

Brendan Allen (103:16)

There's three there. There's three or four of them that. Dude, I. I miss them a lot. Like, when I'm not. Like, when I. When I left Florida. 1. They are such.

Brendan Allen (103:26)

Loyal humans. Like, you barely find that nowadays, as you know, like, you don't. You don't find too many loyal guys. And when they say, like, my brother, they don't care if you're white, black, Indian, what your ethnicity is, what your religion. They don't care. They care about you. And, dude, when. When I got into it with Marvin at the. At the casino, Ansar wasn't even old enough to get in, so he was like, brother, if I would have been there, I hit him. No problem. Then there. But there's like, Nikita, Umran John, which is Ansar's best friend. There's like, Islam, there's a couple of them. That's a liev. There's like three to five. And I'm telling you, these guys, especially, like, Umran John. There he is.

Brendan Allen (104:10)

Whoa.

Joe Rogan (104:10)

That's a hell of a shot. Oh, my goodness.

Brendan Allen (104:12)

Dude, he is so good.

Joe Rogan (104:13)

Oh, my goodness. Look how smooth he took that dude's back.

Brendan Allen (104:16)

He just.

Joe Rogan (104:17)

Wow.

Brendan Allen (104:17)

He just fought a couple weeks ago. He knocked some dude out in the first round.

Joe Rogan (104:20)

That was so smooth, man. Man. Oh, my goodness. Oh, he is on that back so quick.

Brendan Allen (104:25)

Ants are so good.

Joe Rogan (104:27)

You know, there's a. One thing that these guys have in common is they're all from a hard part of the world, a rough part of the world.

Brendan Allen (104:37)

Him and his best friend, Umran John, they. They left home at, like, I think he was 17, 18 years old. They just left home. We asked him like, hey, bro, why'd you leave home? How'd you leave home? Like, how'd you get here? They both said the same thing.

Joe Rogan (104:50)

Look at. He is out. He's out, referee.

Brendan Allen (104:53)

He's a savage. He trains a hundred percent. He don't know anything other than 100 every day, multiple times. But we asked him, like, bro, how'd you lose? He now, I think he's 18, 19 max.

Joe Rogan (105:03)

Wow.

Brendan Allen (105:04)

Dude, he's a savage.

Joe Rogan (105:05)

He looks good.

Brendan Allen (105:06)

He's very good.

Joe Rogan (105:07)

He looks good.

Brendan Allen (105:07)

There's another one.

Joe Rogan (105:08)

If you're that good at 18, my.

Brendan Allen (105:09)

Goodness, he's gonna be a stud.

Joe Rogan (105:11)

What's it gonna be like when he's 30?

Brendan Allen (105:12)

Dude, I tell him all the time, like, man, if you just learn how to just take a breath and just be a little bit patient in certain positions, that'll come. Exactly. But, man, he's. He. He's fighting good guys already. Like, they all. They all want to fight him. Uman John. Uman John was fighting like, one or two weight classes up, and he had a draw with a guy, and he thought it was like you were to think he lost the love of his life. He had a draw because he was two weight classes up. And like, bro, why don't you fight it your way, brother? I just. Smash. I want to fight everywhere, everyone. And they can't get fights. They can barely ever get fights.

Joe Rogan (105:47)

It's hard for phenoms to get fights, the amateurs. And in the lower organizations, a lot of people don't realize that. It's really hard.

Brendan Allen (105:53)

Yeah, they come to me to match them, and you. You got to pay the other guy more to fight because, like, they. They already know, like, what it is. And yeah, it was hard. It was very hard.

Joe Rogan (106:02)

And so what weight is he at now?

Brendan Allen (106:03)

I think he's at 45. Damn, 45. That's his last one right there, I think. No, no, that's not.

Joe Rogan (106:11)

Big takedown, bro. Look at the dude's hair. He's fighting.

Brendan Allen (106:15)

That's what he does to everyone.

Joe Rogan (106:16)

Oh, my goodness. That is a crazy takedown.

Brendan Allen (106:18)

He's so exciting.

Joe Rogan (106:19)

I can't believe dudes are still holding on to guillotines. When people get into side control, how many times they want watch oven saint proof fight, you know, it's. It's crazy how many people still do that. They still keep that guillotine while guys inside control. Yeah, that is a death sentence, like, and some people don't cash in on it. It. But it's all. If you cinch those hands together, he can't get that ham out. That's it. Turn on your side.

Brendan Allen (106:42)

That's it.

Joe Rogan (106:43)

It's. It's almost like giving up your neck.

Brendan Allen (106:45)

Exactly.

Joe Rogan (106:45)

If someone, like, gave up their back, everybody like, what are you doing? That's like what you're doing if you're holding on to a guillotine and the guy's inside control, it literally is like giving up your back and exposing your neck. It's kind of crazy.

Brendan Allen (106:56)

It is. But I see these kids like this, and I'm just like, I used to be that kid, but these guys are even better. You know what I mean? Like, it's Scary how evolution is. But like I said, man, I asked these kids. I was like, man, why'd you leave home? How'd you leave home? How'd you get here? Him and his best friend left together. Their story, both, same thing, different times. Like, brother, we just left one day. Our parents. We told our parents we were going to the store, never came back.

Joe Rogan (107:20)

What? You know, and just moved to America.

Brendan Allen (107:24)

Yeah. Like, they somehow got here, and they've been here, and, dude, they work during the day. They move stuff. Like, they work for moving company, and then they train. So they train in the morning. They go. They train, train, then they go work all night, all through the night, moving stuff, whatever. They have to do whatever their work is. But most of the time, I see them moving stuff, and then they come back, train the next day. And they do this every single day, working their ass off, man. It's super impressive and it's super motivating, too, but it's. It just lets, you know, like. Like, for me, I used to be that young cat. Like, everyone was 24, 25. I'm 17, 18, and I'm doing what I'm doing. And now I see these kids and I'm like, damn. So that's what it was like when the older guys were looking at me.

Joe Rogan (108:06)

But these guys are better forget when they get complacent in their career and they become like a journeyman, and they forget what it's like to be young and hungry. And then they'll train with someone, and that'll either make them retire or it'll reinvigorate them.

Brendan Allen (108:19)

It's awesome.

Joe Rogan (108:20)

Because if you're around, like, people that are that driven, it becomes contagious. It really does. Especially if you know that a guy is working all day and training that hard. Like, you got no excuses, right? And it's also this, like, when you're around people like that, there's a. An energy. It catches you for sure. Moves you in its wake.

Brendan Allen (108:37)

It does. You're right 100%. Because, like, I get in my modes where I don't want to do nothing. I'm just like, man, screw this. I've done this long enough. Like, whatever. But then I go. I go back and, like, say today, for instance, I went and trained Nikki, Rob. God, they whoop my ass. I ain't gonna lie to you. They whoop my ass. And I told them after, I was like, it should be illegal that y' all just whooped me that bad. And they're like, yeah, but you ain't done nothing and, you know, you don't do Pure Jiu Jitsu anymore. Like, we're the best in the world. Like, some of the best in the world at Pure Jiu Jitsu.

Joe Rogan (109:06)

It's true.

Brendan Allen (109:06)

I was like, yeah, but still, I shouldn't be getting walk like that. And. But it just.

Joe Rogan (109:11)

It makes me hungry to almost everybody.

Brendan Allen (109:13)

I love it, man.

Joe Rogan (109:14)

He's so big. Big. He's such a freak, dude.

Brendan Allen (109:16)

I told him today, I was like, how are you this big and move like this? This is illegal, dude.

Joe Rogan (109:20)

Gordon told me there was a position once they were doing where they were working from the back, and Gordon had his back. And Nikki flipped over the top of him and wound up behind Gordon. And Gordon turns to John Donahue and goes, what the am I supposed to do with that? Like, what do I do if that happens? It's like, well, Donahue was like, well, nobody could do that other than Nick Sticky, dude. That's how crazy that is.

Brendan Allen (109:42)

He's so sick.

Joe Rogan (109:43)

No nuts. That is. Do a backflip from your knees.

Brendan Allen (109:45)

I couldn't.

Joe Rogan (109:46)

And go over the top of someone who's got your back.

Brendan Allen (109:49)

I can't even visualize.

Joe Rogan (109:50)

Separate the hands. Somehow another. He separated the hands and flipped over him. And Gordon was like, okay. Because Gordon would be the first to tell you, even though he's the best in the world and the best ever at no Gi Jiu Jitsu, he's not an explosive guy. Yeah, he's not. He's like, I'm not a good athlete.

Brendan Allen (110:05)

He's intelligent, though. Super, super intelligent.

Joe Rogan (110:07)

Smart.

Brendan Allen (110:08)

Yeah, he's super intelligent. I've listened to some of his, like, instructionals before, and, like, I know he did one at Rufus for a long time ago. And the guys told me after, because I was obviously at home, and they're like, bro, he. He was in a wheelchair, because I guess he had a surgery at the time, and he was in a chair, and his lady was teaching, like, she was teaching for him, and he was walking through every single position. They. They all. Everyone said that was the best seminar they ever been to. He didn't. He didn't get down there and teach one movement move.

Joe Rogan (110:36)

That's incredible. That's incredible.

Brendan Allen (110:38)

I was like, that's impressive.

Joe Rogan (110:40)

Well, you could. If you could do a seminar from a wheelchair, Jesus Christ, dude.

Brendan Allen (110:43)

Impressive. You know, Wagner says the same thing. He's like, bro, he's the best guy I've ever trained with. Learned from anything. He's. He's amazing. So I've heard it from a lot. I've heard a lot of guy, though.

Joe Rogan (110:54)

That's 365 days a year of training. Because, period, there's no days off. Your Christmas, your birthday, there's no days off, which is so crazy. Easy.

Brendan Allen (111:04)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (111:04)

To think of. But the way they put it and the way Donahue put it is, like, if you are training 200 days a year, that is a lot. But you will not be able to beat a guy who's training 365 days a year because he has 165 more training sessions a year. So over the course of two years now, he has, you know, a lot. 300 plus, then 400. It keeps going and going. So over the course of five years, like, he's trained so much more than you.

Brendan Allen (111:27)

It's true.

Joe Rogan (111:28)

And it's not just training. It's like when they're not physically training, they're going over tape all day.

Brendan Allen (111:35)

Right.

Joe Rogan (111:36)

Like. Which is, like. It's hard to do that and to keep your mind focused on that. They're writing things down. They're going over positions. It's not just all hard physical work.

Brendan Allen (111:46)

It's intelligence.

Joe Rogan (111:46)

It's a lot of breaking things down. A lot of, like, the finer points of technique and positioning.

Brendan Allen (111:52)

It's. It's funny you say that, because it's like, for me, like, when we were talking earlier about how, like, time off, it really re. Reinvigorates your mind. It's like, that's what it does for me. Like, I. I probably do a hundred reps in a day of, like, things that I've screwed up on, like throwing a jab wrong or leaving my hand down or, like, in my head, my mental reps. And then somehow when I do go train again, it's just so weird. Like, my body just automatically does it. Like, say I throw the jab and I just bring it back to my chest. I don't want it there. I want it on my chest. I. I do so many mental reps of this for, like, a week or two weeks or however long I'm out. By the time I spar again, I'm not doing it no more. Like, I do so many mental reps, focus on such little details. But then outside of that, I really take my time. I try to take my time away from fighting. Like, when I'm not training for the most part, like, especially, like, the month after the fight, I don't want to hear about fighting. I don't want to talk about fighting. That's why I stay away from, like, most people that don't know Me, Me. I don't want to talk because anytime they see me. Oh, what do you think about this fight? What's next? I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan (112:54)

You just want to let your.

Brendan Allen (112:55)

I just want to.

Joe Rogan (112:56)

Motivation.

Brendan Allen (112:57)

Exactly. I just want to be with my family. I want to be a normal person. Because one day, fighting is not going to be there for me. It's always been there for me since I was 13, when I had anxiety about something, stress, heartbreak, whatever it is, it's always been there for me, and that's when I always grew. But it's not. The end is a lot closer than the beginning. Right. You know, that's. That's where I'm at in my life, and I know that. So I'm trying to make the most of it and try.

Joe Rogan (113:20)

But you think about, like, high end, you got 10 years, if that's really possible. Maybe it's not. Usually. And usually the last few are rough because the last few years, like Anderson after he broke his leg.

Brendan Allen (113:33)

Right, Right.

Joe Rogan (113:34)

So I say there's like two Andersons. There's Anderson, pre Weidman and Post Wideman for sure. There's the knockout or Wideman caught him at the left hook, and then there's the leg break in the rematch. And then from then, he's never been Anderson again.

Brendan Allen (113:44)

Correct, correct.

Joe Rogan (113:45)

And I think the injury has a lot to do with it, but it's also Father Time. I don't think we got Anderson in the UFC till he was 34.

Brendan Allen (113:51)

It was a while because he was already big on the other.

Joe Rogan (113:54)

Huge, bro. That was one of them fights where people didn't really know Anderson that well, and he was fighting Chris Leben. And the odds were Anderson was the favorite, but not by enough. And I was telling my friend, like, bet the house on the Brazilian. I go, bet the house.

Brendan Allen (114:11)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (114:11)

Because he was coming off of that. Remember Cage Rage?

Brendan Allen (114:13)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (114:14)

So he was coming off of the Lee Murray fight. He was coming up. Who did he fight over there as well? He fought Jorge Rivera. That was a big fight. There was a Tony Fricklin one where he did that crazy step in elbow.

Brendan Allen (114:25)

Oh, yeah. That's all the highlight of that. I didn't know that was the name, but I know that the elbow.

Joe Rogan (114:29)

You're talking about that elbow. Do you know he had a practice with his wife because his coach wouldn't let him try it?

Brendan Allen (114:34)

Really?

Joe Rogan (114:35)

His coach was like, stop doing that. You're not gonna do that. He goes, I'm gonna hit him with this. This. He's like, no, you're not going to do that. Stop training that. So we didn't want to train that. So he told his wife to hold a pillow. So his wife was holding a pillow at home. And he was going like this.

Joe Rogan (114:50)

Over and over again. He was just practicing. He wanted to do some on box.

Brendan Allen (114:54)

What a great story, Ralph.

Joe Rogan (114:56)

That was Anderson. Like, people didn't. People saw him in his prime, for sure, obviously, because he's one of the greatest of all time. But for sure, they didn't see that transition to him becoming in his prime time. And that was in cage rage, because he had some really good fights in. In pride. But then when he went to cage rage, like, something flipped, man. You know how it has. Like Oliveira when it happened to him after he had his kid. You know, something flips sometimes when a fighter just locks in and then they become who they really are.

Brendan Allen (115:22)

Yeah. Who everyone around them knows.

Joe Rogan (115:24)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (115:24)

In the gym, but no one else has seen it. It's. It's weird. Like, I always say that about myself. Like.

Brendan Allen (115:32)

I still haven't. I'm still not the guy that everyone knows in the gym. I show a little bit more every time, but I'm not even that. That guy.

Joe Rogan (115:40)

Well, maybe this changing of environment and coaching will allow you to hit that spot.

Brendan Allen (115:44)

The coaching like you were talking about earlier. Right. It has been the hardest thing for me to let go, like, of control and give it to someone else. But it took. It was kind of one of those things. I met Horacio and Mike, and I have, obviously a lot of trust and a lot of faith in Bilal. I've known him for a long time, and I see what he's done. But I met these guys and Max, too. I met him for five days when I was with Bilal. And to watch. Sit back and watch them also have my own interactions with them, it just felt like, you know, one of those things, you just feel like you're friends instantly, like you've known each other forever. That's kind of what that connection was with them. So, honestly, it was a little bit easier than normal to let go of, like, the control of, like, controlling what I'm gonna do, when I'm gonna do it, the strategy.

Joe Rogan (116:29)

Did you think about other camps as well? Did you think about.

Brendan Allen (116:32)

I didn't think I was gonna leave, to be honest with you. I didn't think I was gonna leave Florida. I was just going there to help my friend and just kind of see what I could do different, like, what I could change in my own. In my own thing.

Brendan Allen (116:43)

But then Obviously my goal after being there, because he was getting ready for Jack Bilal was. So I watched everything. I helped him for a few days. And then I went back, I fought Marvin, and I was at. I did two or three weeks with Chicago. Two weeks. I did two weeks. Excuse me. I did two weeks and then I did like four or five in Florida. So I was like, okay, next time I'm just gonna do split it four and four. You know, spend my time, mix and match. Because it was great time, like, for me. Then I fought Deridder. He was there, and I was like, I don't know. It didn't sit well with me how all that stuff went. Like, how he got there and everything. And everyone was like, oh, why is he fighting him, Their teammates? And I told everyone from the beginning, like, you can ask Gilbert Burns, because he said it on his little podcast thing he did. I always said, I'm not gonna train with him. I'm gonna fight him one day. I'm good. No animosity. I just don't need no more friends. I just don't. Right. I have enough guys. The guys that I know that I'm friends with. Joe Pifer, Gregory Rodriguez, by senor. Those are guys that are gonna be at the top or at the top that we have agreements only for a belt. I'll fight anyone on this planet for a belt. Anyone. And I expect the same in return because it could change my. Their lives or my own, you know?

Joe Rogan (118:04)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (118:04)

So they know that about me. But no matter what the time frame is, if you say yes to me or you say my name game, we're gonna fight. That's it. Like, that's how. That's how I feel. But those guys are the guys that I have with, and now they're all coming to the top. So it's like, you know, someday it's. It's probably gonna happen. So it's like, I don't.

Joe Rogan (118:22)

Dana hates hearing that. Kind of like, guys won't fight friends.

Brendan Allen (118:26)

Yeah, but I'll fight for a belt, though. Anyone on the whole planet. Godzilla, I'll fight for the whole bro, I don't care. And Ganu, I'll fight him for a. But I don't care. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it could change my whole life. Like, my families, you know? Yeah. So, like, I'm very realistic. Because obviously, even if you love to do this at this level, it's about the money too. Like, you know, it's financial freedom, making.

Joe Rogan (118:47)

Intelligent choices, because one slip up could set you back Two years.

Brendan Allen (118:53)

Yeah, I'm learning that. Yeah, I learned that the hard way.

Joe Rogan (118:56)

Well, that's also important to learn, right? It's also important to have those setbacks. Those setbacks are some of the most important growth points in your career, in anybody's career career, if you do it right. Like those set, those setbacks are when you feel that ugliness. And then you really have to assess, what could I have done differently, right? What am I doing wrong? What's my. Is there something about my mindset or something about my diet? Is there something about my recovery? Am I doing too much of this or too little of that? You have to have that pain if everything is just going great. The thing going into the fight was Aspinall's. Every fight other than the Curse Blades fight was a one round fight. It was him blowing guys out. And so no one really knew what was going to happen if we got into round three, round four, round five. And so that question's always hovering over the head. When a guy like you, who's been in those wars and been in the trenches you've already had, that's a blessing. It really is a blessing because it gives you not just the motivation to return better than you were before. Like, look at Bo Nickel after he lost, right? He loses to Deridder, comes back and smokes. Adolfo Vieira looked like a different guy, Looks like a different guy. Why? Because of that. There's a blessing in losing, there's a blessing in failure. There really is. Because if you can swallow it, it will give you a fucking furnace inside you to come back stronger if you can swallow it. But some guys can't swallow it. They choke on it and they cry and. And maybe their confidence gets shattered and they're never the same again. Or maybe they go, why am I doing this? I could be a carpenter. I always wanted to play drums.

Brendan Allen (120:30)

I've thought of that. I thought of that. But I don't want to go back to being a carpenter. I'm good with that.

Joe Rogan (120:34)

A guy like Tom Asp, when he gets to a fight with a guy like Ngannou or a guy who's going to be there, those questions. And I'm not saying that he wouldn't succeed, I'm not saying he wouldn't win. But those questions might be in your head because you haven't been in those high profile wars before where you came up short.

Brendan Allen (120:53)

You know, I still get those questions. I question I. I'm such a perfectionist and I know nothing will ever be perfect, but I want as close to it as I can get.

Joe Rogan (121:02)

That still great mindset.

Brendan Allen (121:03)

I find something. I will always find something to be negative. But what's helped me is I had a sports psychiatrist for a while. He was great.

Brendan Allen (121:12)

And I learned a lot with him. And for me, it's. It's been about, like, I'm very, like, open with people that I care about and that I know care solely about me. They're not worried about if I win or lose or, you know, all that stuff, the fame. They're not worried about that. They care about me as a person. And that was something that was great with Bilal and Horacio and all the guys in Chicago. Mike. Max, you know, we talk regularly. How are you, man? How's the family? Everything good. But I'm very open with them leading up to the fight. Like, there's a clip from behind the scenes of the last fight where I'm. I'm open and they catch it. Like, this is me being vulnerable of who I am. I was too manly or whatever, or trying to suppress it before, where it just grew into something bigger, and I would mentally shut down. Malcoon was the worst fight for me for that. I was shaking in the bed the night before. Like, I thought, like, I was freezing, but I wasn't. I was so nervous of, like, I can't lose to this guy. He's not on my level. And then I go out there and perform. Perform not that well.

Joe Rogan (122:05)

So your mind was you.

Brendan Allen (122:06)

Yeah, because I find one negative thing, and I just focus and I make it huge.

Joe Rogan (122:10)

I think it's good sometimes. I think it's good sometimes, but it's. It's like, almost like, you have to be critical, but yet also confident.

Brendan Allen (122:17)

Right? And I. I would take my confidence away by. By focusing on it, but being able to talk about it. Like, again, they have that moment. I have it on my Instagram that they made a clip or whatever for me, and it was. It's just literally, it was two nights before the fight, three nights before the fight, and we're talking and I'm telling them, he could get me down. He could. He could finish me. But if he finishes me on the ground, he's got to be just that good. But I'm nervous, man. I'm nervous that I'm not gonna go out here and perform to what I know that I can do. That's. To me, that's the worst. I don't mind losing to someone that's better than me. I can take it. I haven't Found that man yet? But I know it's gonna happen. Happen. But to lose to someone truly better than me, I can accept it. But to lose to myself, oh, man. To look in the mirror, it eats me alive.

Joe Rogan (123:05)

I think those things that can creep into your head before a fight where I don't want to lose. I don't want to disappoint people. I don't want to do this. Then that is a really bad time to have those thoughts. It's not a bad time to have those thoughts. When you're working on stuff, it's not a bad time to have those thoughts. Like, if you're really trying to motivate yourself to get up in the morning and run or whatever it is like, to really get after it in strength and conditioning. But when you're fighting, like, you have to have a strategy of how to squash those thoughts when they come up. And it. I mean, it's not just fighting anybody who's listening to this. Anything in life that you have to do that's really difficult and scares you, you gotta know how to squash negative thoughts before they burn your house down. Like, when you see the fire, stomp that bitch out quick. Stomp it out quick. And then make sure that you're starting to really only focus on positive things and never let it get. Because those little creepy demon thoughts, they'll get in. And then they start running around. They start running around. They start screaming and taking over your brain. You're like, get out of my head. Get out of my head. But they're already in there. You let them in. You let them in. And sometimes they have to burn your house down before you realize what the danger is of them getting inside your head, right? And so then the next time, you've got to come up with a strategy to squash it before it gets too crazy.

Brendan Allen (124:21)

We did a lot of, like, at the beginning of, like, sports psychiatrist, like, that was one thing, right? Like, I would suppress it right away and suppress it and try to creep back through, and I'd suppress it again. But then it just gets bigger and stronger to where it can just come out. And you don't know when it's gonna come out. It could be the night of the fight, it could be the day before the fight, could be in the fight, you know, so it's like taking it in, whatever that emotion is for you, dissecting it, like, literally get to the root of why you think that this, like, oh, I think he can knock me out if I dissect it. Well, yeah, he's knocked a lot of guys out, but anyone can knock anyone out, right? Anyone can. So what are you nervous of? You've done this, like, for me over 30 times. Like, what are you worried about? You fought on the biggest level. You've main evented. You're. You're ranked in the world. You fought some of the best in the world. Like, what are you worried about?

Joe Rogan (125:05)

You let a demon sneak into your brain. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (125:07)

You know, and once I dissect it, I've worked on it like that so well. And being open and honest with my coaches and, like, the people that I care about and they care about me has been such a great, like, thing for me. I'm kind of the guy. Like, sometimes, like, just I've learned about myself. It's just like, just let me talk sometimes I'm not a big talker, but just let me talk. If you don't even say nothing but, damn, that's all right, bro. That's why Tuko, who always see me with normally, he's always with me, bro. He's the best at just, like, listening to me. Like, it's not very often, but when I do want to talk, like, I'm like, bro, like, he'll ask me, what's wrong? I don't think you want to hear it today. Like, I'm good. He'll ask me that a couple times. Eventually I'll just let it out, and then I'm good. I'm good.

Joe Rogan (125:51)

Like, it's almost like you have to tell somebody what, what's going on inside your head. And if you keep it inside your head, there's the wings.

Brendan Allen (125:59)

The wings are coming.

Joe Rogan (125:59)

Demons, flying monkeys throwing fire bombs inside your head. Wizard of Oz.

Brendan Allen (126:08)

So it's like, that's been great for me. That's really helped. And it, I, I, you know, I've had a couple younger kids that, like, have asked me, oh, how's that? And I turned them on to my guy that I used to use.

Joe Rogan (126:17)

What did you do with the psychiatrist? Like, how did. What were the sessions like?

Brendan Allen (126:21)

We would talk about things like this. He'd have worksheets and stuff like this. But you know what really, really sunk in? So first we worked on, like, learning to catch emotions. He called it something. But learning to catch. Catch different emotions before they grow so you can dissect them Exactly.

Joe Rogan (126:36)

Before it burns your house down.

Brendan Allen (126:37)

So, like, recognizing first is recognizing anything. You have to recognize if you recognize it 30 minutes the first time. All right, let's try for 25 the next time. Don't let it. Like, you thought on it for 30 minutes, and you're like, what am I thinking about this? Right. Let's do 25. So keep until you can get it, like, right away. Then we dissect it, and then we move on about our day. Things that helped me at the beginning were like, does it help you talking.

Joe Rogan (127:00)

With a different person, like, another person about this, rather than just bouncing it off your own head?

Brendan Allen (127:05)

Yes, for sure.

Joe Rogan (127:06)

Something about talking to another person makes it real.

Brendan Allen (127:09)

Yeah. And it just, like, gets it out. Like, I'm holding it in, holding it in, holding it in. As soon as I talk, it's like. It's literally, like, leaving my body. Like, the stress just kind of, like. And sometimes they have, like, good things to say. Like, things like. Like that. My sports psychiatrist is the one that told me those things. Like, bro, you've done this how many times? Times he fought these guys.

Joe Rogan (127:25)

Like, did he ever work with fighters before?

Brendan Allen (127:28)

He was working with a small team in New Orleans, and now he. Like. He's got other guys in the UFC now because they would ask me, and I turn him on, and he's. He's great. His name's Eric. He's really great. He's from New Orleans.

Joe Rogan (127:38)

Because I would think if a guy was, like, a sports psychiatrist, like tennis, it's like, some things would carry over, but it's a very different thing.

Brendan Allen (127:44)

And he trained as well. He grew up wrestling and stuff.

Joe Rogan (127:47)

Perfect guy, then.

Brendan Allen (127:48)

Exactly. And it just. It just. It worked out great, man. I learned a lot. Like, I kind of figured out what worked for me, so I was like, all right. And I get so busy. But another thing he gave me was you read it the day, like, after you weigh in. You read it and then you finish. Like, it has a part where it says, read up to this point, and then you read this, the rest of the section, the date of the fight, and it's. I forget the author. I have it in my phone somewhere that he sent me a long time ago, and I would read it before every fight, Fight, everyone. Like, the apex. When we was in the apex all the time, we. I'd weigh in, and we had to wait that, like, two hours till, like, we could face off. If you weigh in first. And I'd sit there and I'd read it, and it was like, an author, and he talks a lot about, like, different sports, and, like. Like, one of his main basic things is, like, hope. The word hope. Hold on. Possibilities exist. Like, don't ever think it's over. It's done. Don't ever say I have to do something, I want to do something. I don't have to. The minute you start putting I have to is the moment you start, like he says, like put like change. You hit the emergency stop button, the emergency brake on your car. Like you got to let it off. You're not performing at your best with all those things. So like stuff like that really like sets in and I try to remind myself. So like reminding myself of those things. Talking about it is really like what helps me.

Joe Rogan (129:02)

This book, is it a book?

Brendan Allen (129:04)

It's like a little pamphlet.

Joe Rogan (129:05)

Pamphlet?

Brendan Allen (129:06)

Yeah, kinda.

Joe Rogan (129:06)

Do you know who wrote it?

Brendan Allen (129:08)

It's in my phone. I could find it.

Joe Rogan (129:09)

Well, just like so other people can and look at it because it sounds pretty powerful.

Brendan Allen (129:14)

It was great, man.

Joe Rogan (129:15)

And if it helped you, there's, there's a lot of like hokey sort of self help stuff online. You know, be a man, go out and get it done. And there's, there's a wolf inside of you and all that kooky. But the reality is there's a lot of wisdom out there too. There's a lot of like you could read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and literally learn how to live a better life. Like there's a lot of stuff out there. It's very beneficial. So when someone like yourself has something that really helped them, I think it's probably good to put it out there so other people can get it, you know?

Brendan Allen (129:49)

So crazy. Now I'm looking through like the documents and stuff that he sent me. Like mindfulness was the word I was looking for. When you catch it, like mindfulness, like stuff like that. But it's funny.

Joe Rogan (129:58)

Mindfulness is one of them co opted words. It's been co opted like gratitude and spirituality. It's one of them words that like, like too many kooky people use.

Brendan Allen (130:06)

Yeah, exactly. The first time he told me, I was like, bro, don't tell me we're about to get some crazy, bro. I'm not that kind of guy, you know.

Joe Rogan (130:13)

Don't you hit me with no mindfulness.

Brendan Allen (130:15)

Yeah, man, but look, I'm literally going through right here, right? And he would send me stuff right before a fight or like quotes. He'd send me YouTube links. Look at the second one from the top.

Joe Rogan (130:29)

Who is it with me? Who is it?

Brendan Allen (130:30)

David Goggins.

Joe Rogan (130:31)

Goggins. Oh, that's hilarious.

Brendan Allen (130:32)

He sent me that like stuff like, stuff like this.

Joe Rogan (130:35)

Goggins is a perfect example. Example that he says things all the time that I think of Jocko, When I'm, when I'm working out and I'm really tired, I think of this one Jocko video where it's called Good. Have you ever seen that video?

Brendan Allen (130:47)

No.

Joe Rogan (130:47)

You want to get fired up?

Brendan Allen (130:48)

Yeah, I want to see it.

Joe Rogan (130:49)

Can we play that? We get fired up. This is one of my all time favorite videos. You know Jocko, right? Jocko.

Brendan Allen (130:55)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (130:56)

So Jocko, you know, was a Navy SEAL and was. He's got a book called, called Extreme Ownership. And it's just the way he thinks, the way he carries himself is, it's so, it's so beneficial if you can adopt this that there's sometimes where I'm training where I'm really, really tired and I want to quit. I think a Jocko and I go, good, you're tired. That means you're going to get stronger. Listen to this, this is amazing.

Brendan Allen (131:26)

Direct subordinates. One of my guys that worked for me, me, he would, he would call me up or pull me aside with some major problem, some issue that was going on and he'd say, boss, we got this and that and the other thing. And I look at him and I'd say, good. And finally one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having, some problem and he said, I already know what you're going to say. I said, well, what am I going to say? He said, you're going to say good.

Brendan Allen (131:54)

He said, that's what you always say when something is wrong and going bad. You always just look at me and say good.

Brendan Allen (132:02)

And I said, well, yeah, when things are going bad, there's gonna be some good that's gonna come from it. Didn't get the new high speed gear we wanted. Good. Didn't get promoted.

Joe Rogan (132:18)

Good.

Brendan Allen (132:20)

More time to get better. Oh, mission got cancelled. Good. We can focus on another one. Didn't get funded. Didn't get the job you wanted. Got injured. Sprained my ankle. Got tapped out. Good. Got beat. Good. Learned.

Brendan Allen (132:39)

Unexpected problems. Good. We have the opportunity. Get, figure out a solution.

Brendan Allen (132:47)

That's it. When things are going bad, don't get all bummed out. Don't get startled. Don't get frustrated.

Joe Rogan (132:59)

If you can say the word good.

Brendan Allen (133:03)

Guess what it means. You're still alive. It means you're still breathing. And if you're still breathing.

Brendan Allen (133:13)

Well, now you still got some fight left in you. So get up, dust off, reload, recalibrate, re, engage.

Brendan Allen (133:29)

And go out on the attack.

Joe Rogan (133:35)

Oh yeah, that's a good one.

Brendan Allen (133:38)

That's a good one.

Joe Rogan (133:39)

Play that one. When you're in the dressing room.

Brendan Allen (133:42)

This is what it is.

Joe Rogan (133:43)

Getting ready.

Brendan Allen (133:43)

I don't know if it's. So these are the documents? Yeah.

Joe Rogan (133:46)

Okay. So it's called how sports psychology can help you do your best when it means the most unedited copy. Who's the author? So let's say. Oh, Rob Gilbert. Rob Gilbert, Ph.D. montclair State University, Montclair in New Jersey. Okay.

Brendan Allen (134:05)

It's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan (134:07)

God, I'll ask you to send me that after.

Brendan Allen (134:08)

Of course.

Joe Rogan (134:10)

I love like that. It's like there's little things like that you can carry in your toolbox and they can help you. And not just if you're a professional fighter, but in basically everything in life.

Brendan Allen (134:20)

It's been.

Brendan Allen (134:24)

It really helped change.

Joe Rogan (134:25)

How's B doing? Who fucking gets poked in the eye more than that guy?

Brendan Allen (134:29)

Guy.

Joe Rogan (134:29)

Jesus Christ. That guy has had. I think he's had something insane like nine eye surgeries.

Brendan Allen (134:34)

I know he's had three of the hard ones, like of the. The. He literally, he. He told me the story. He had to drive home six hours. His. His.

Brendan Allen (134:44)

Excuse me. His wife came and got him and brought him home. But this is a while back. He had to drive six hours with his head like that because something with the pressure, you can't cinch straight up with it. It's. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan (134:55)

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Brendan Allen (137:39)

Explained it to me, but it's like, it blows my mind.

Joe Rogan (137:41)

I couldn't believe he got poked again by in Gary. I couldn't believe it. The moment he got poked, I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. I can't believe it's happening.

Brendan Allen (137:48)

Dude, I thought the same thing.

Joe Rogan (137:49)

Oh my God, look at that. Look at that finger in his. His. Deep in his eyeball. That is so crazy. Yeah, that's so crazy. So he's had major surgeries on his eyes?

Brendan Allen (138:01)

Yep.

Joe Rogan (138:02)

And then Ian poked him like right away. I was like, this is crazy. I. I don't know how you feel, but I feel like it should be an instant one point deduction at least. Every time. At least.

Brendan Allen (138:13)

I like what Tom Aspen all said. He was like, no, you poke me in my eye. You want me to continue? Okay, no problem. I get to poke him in his eye, right? I was like, a lot of people.

Joe Rogan (138:22)

Are talking about tomorrow, but he apparently still can't see. Yeah, like his eyes still fucked up. Like no one knows. Here's the thing, the eye, the other eye got hurt as well, but not as bad, but it looks way Worse, the finger goes way deeper in the other eye.

Brendan Allen (138:35)

Dude, I pokes, bro.

Joe Rogan (138:36)

He went straight. Three stooges. Boink.

Brendan Allen (138:39)

And you know, it's crazy that everyone that talks the most shit has never been poked in the eye. Not even a little bit, like, accidentally.

Joe Rogan (138:46)

Oh, it's horrible. You know, it's like a bolt of lightning in your brain. Green. And then you can't see. And if the idea that you can't see and then you're supposed to fight a guy, also you're fighting a guy in Ian Gary who has a nasty left hand. So if you get poked in your eyeball and you can't see that punch. Well, he's got a nasty right hand too. I mean, Ian Gary can strike. Oh, God, look at that. So look at the right one. The one, the. The. Excuse me. The left eye, that's deeper. And that one didn't get hurt as bad. It's his right eye that really got hurt hurt. The left one is like finger knuckle deep in his eyeball, man.

Brendan Allen (139:21)

Dude, it's crazy. You know, like, Bilal is like one of those guys you talk about 365, 24, 7. He's ready, he's doing something. Always. I'm. I'm even like, bro, take a break, bro. You've earned a little break. Take a week off. Be with you, with your family. You know, he won't.

Joe Rogan (139:36)

Well, at his stage of his life, it might be the only way to keep going. Because he's at like 38 now, right?

Brendan Allen (139:43)

Yeah, something like that.

Joe Rogan (139:44)

It's like that's the same age as us month. And you know, you can still be a world class fighter at that age. You could clearly see that with Kamaru against Joaquin Buckley. Like, a lot of people counted him out because Joaquin Buckley was a lot of people. Yeah, he was Joaquin Buckley, bro. Whoo. That guy's a problem. He's a problem.

Brendan Allen (140:04)

I've known him for a minute, man.

Joe Rogan (140:05)

He's a. He's wild and fast and he keeps getting better. And he's really, he. He's really intelligent about how to land trust shots. He knows how to set things up.

Brendan Allen (140:15)

He likes to fight.

Joe Rogan (140:16)

He loves to fight. And he's, you know, he's just. Just a dog. Just in the fight, man. He's always dangerous. That wonder boy fight, you know, he's a little. Having a little bit problem solving that distance in that range. Until he didn't. Until he did, man. Bro, that dude's got hammers in his fist.

Brendan Allen (140:33)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (140:34)

So when watching Kamaru just Rag doll him like that. I was like, God, yeah, it looked like Kamaru. World champion level Kamaru. Like, a lot of people have kind of counted him out because there's this narrative that he puts out there openly about his knees.

Brendan Allen (140:48)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (140:49)

Oh, he talked about on this podcast openly. His knees are. He's like, I gotta go downstairs backwards sometimes because they hurt so much.

Brendan Allen (140:56)

I heard he went and did, like, a lot of stuff to, like, redo him, and now he says they're good, but I don't. I don't know. I don't know.

Joe Rogan (141:02)

Well, I know he went to Colombia. He went down to that bio accelerator place in Colombia. I don't know if he's been to the place in Tijuana that the UFC uses now, the Cellular Performance Institute, but they're all very similar. We're being held back to such a fucking ridiculous extent in this country by the FDA that you don't realize how many people with neurological conditions, how many people with severe injuries, how many people could be helped by stem cells, and there's no evidence that they're damaging people. There's no evidence other. I mean, look, anytime you have any invasive procedure, anytime. Anytime you have a surgery, there's always some risk that something can go wrong. There's always a risk in any medical procedure, but there's no outstanding risks versus reward to stem cells. On the contrary, the evidence is outstanding results, including, like, some of the things Dr. Neil Reardon has been doing down in Panama with people that have, like, severe neurological problems, lumps, guys that have had cte, like, real, real, real bad, other than just injuries and then even injuries. Like, my mom had a really bad knee, and I sent her down there, and it got a lot better. It's turned. I sent it down there twice. A lot better. Mel Gibson. His dad couldn't walk. He's. He was, like, almost 90. He was, like, 80 years old. And then he went down, got his hips done, got his. Neil. Neil did his shoulders, his hips, a bunch of other stuff. And. And did Mel as well. Well. And he's just like, no. My dad was, like, up and walking around, like, five years later still, like. Like he was 10 years younger.

Brendan Allen (142:40)

Like, he's a great actor, by the way.

Joe Rogan (142:41)

Oh, Mel.

Brendan Allen (142:42)

Amazing.

Joe Rogan (142:42)

He's the man. He's the man. I love that guy. He's crazy, too. He's so interesting. He said he. That guy's got, like, a tornado going on in his brain all the time.

Brendan Allen (142:51)

Really?

Joe Rogan (142:52)

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's why he's such a good Director, man. Did you ever see Apocalypto?

Brendan Allen (142:56)

Yeah, one of my favorites.

Joe Rogan (142:57)

Oh, I love that movie.

Brendan Allen (143:01)

Same. It's one of my favorite.

Joe Rogan (143:02)

Such a good movie.

Brendan Allen (143:03)

I love that movie too.

Joe Rogan (143:03)

Such a good movie, man. Such a good movie.

Brendan Allen (143:06)

Great ones.

Joe Rogan (143:07)

I mean, he made a movie where nobody speaks English.

Brendan Allen (143:08)

Exactly.

Joe Rogan (143:09)

And it's a blockbuster.

Brendan Allen (143:10)

And it's amazing.

Joe Rogan (143:11)

It's incredible.

Brendan Allen (143:12)

Dude, it's. I love that one. But, like, I like his old stuff too. Like Braveheart.

Joe Rogan (143:17)

Braveheart is amazing. Passion of the Christ was really good too, man.

Brendan Allen (143:20)

The Patriot was good.

Joe Rogan (143:21)

Yeah, dude, he's. He's the real deal, man. Mel Gibson's the real even deal.

Brendan Allen (143:25)

What's the one?

Brendan Allen (143:27)

You think I'm crazy, but I think it's. Think like a woman. You ever seen that one? I did not, bro. That is freaking hilarious.

Joe Rogan (143:34)

What is it?

Brendan Allen (143:35)

It's like he gets trapped in, like, he can, like, read a woman's mind. And so because, like, he's basically a guy, he works. He's a journalist or, like a publisher or something like that. And he's very, like, a womanizer. Like, he gets women and just like, whatever. And they always, like, talking about him behind his back like everyone else. So now, like, he's trying to move up the ranks. He's supposed to be next in line for a promotion. Well, he has his daughter come in and she leaves the. The blow dryer and he trips on it and falls in the. The water, gets electrocuted, and he wakes up and now he can hear all women's thoughts. And it, like, changes who he is as a person. Definitely. It's amazing.

Brendan Allen (144:17)

Like, she gets his promotion, so now he.

Joe Rogan (144:19)

2000.

Joe Rogan (144:22)

Helen Hunt.

Joe Rogan (144:24)

He's been great in a lot of. He was great in that conspiracy theory movie.

Brendan Allen (144:27)

What's that?

Joe Rogan (144:28)

That one. Was it Julia Roberts? Yeah, he was a wacky conspiracy theorist guy.

Brendan Allen (144:34)

I don't think I've seen that one.

Joe Rogan (144:35)

It's pretty good. What's called conspiracy theory? Oh, is that what it's called? That's hilarious. And I. I think, like, a lot of the things that he talked about now, it's like people openly discuss online, you know, because this is all before the Internet. What year was that? 97. Yeah. So there were no, like, conspiracy theory websites back then. He has another lot.

Brendan Allen (144:54)

He has another one where, like, his wife works. I mean, his daughter. I'm sorry. His daughter works for this company. She comes home and it's like this one of those rich companies that, like, hide stuff, but you never can tell because you never have proof. And she's working in, like, a secret department. She comes home all frantic, and the dude yells something. Shoots her with a shotgun, right on the. Right on his front door. Boom. Kills him, her. So obviously then he goes and starts trying to figure everything out. And he starts figuring out, like, through the way what the work was doing. It was like poisoning or something. Well, anyway, he finds the guy and ends up killing him, but he ends up dying, too, because he got the poison from wherever he went in to the workspace. Like, he followed it. He was doing all kind of shit. But it was super cool, too.

Joe Rogan (145:31)

What movie is that?

Brendan Allen (145:32)

I don't know. You know that movie where he shoots. He shoots his daughter on the front step. Like, that's one of the. That was one of the things that sold the movie. Like, that was one of the previews.

Joe Rogan (145:40)

Well, how about Lethal Weapon? First time we ever saw anybody do a triangle triangle in a movie.

Brendan Allen (145:44)

True, right? Yeah. Dude, that was crazy. I like his movies.

Joe Rogan (145:47)

I love that scene. Like, that scene. I was like, what is he doing? I didn't even know what a triangle was back then, because I think that was in the 80s.

Brendan Allen (145:54)

I wasn't even alive.

Joe Rogan (145:55)

When was. When was Lee. When did Lethal Weapon 1 come out? Edge of Darkness.

Brendan Allen (146:00)

That's it.

Joe Rogan (146:01)

Weapon. I think it's like 87 or 88. Yeah, man. So back then, no one knew what a triangle was other than the Gracies. People in Brazil knew. Brazil was so far ahead of the curve, man. They were having MMA fights in the 30s.

Brendan Allen (146:13)

Dude. I was. I went there for my boy Tuco. He fought in the favela, right? And yeah, look at this.

Joe Rogan (146:21)

He was it. Gary Busey who was fighting in the end? Who was the guy who's fighting in the end? I don't remember. I think it's Gary Busey, right? Yeah, it is Gary Busey.

Brendan Allen (146:30)

You know, he had a headache.

Joe Rogan (146:43)

Movies in the 80s are so wild, dude.

Joe Rogan (146:53)

We don't need to watch the whole thing. Let's just cut to the triangle. This is silly. Thought I was coming. I thought, so do.

Brendan Allen (147:00)

He's got his back.

Joe Rogan (147:01)

Oh, Gary Busey tried to take it to the ground. Outraged. Just. Mel got swept so easily. Oh, Mel's on top.

Joe Rogan (147:12)

Everybody was doing cocaine when they were right. Move. Oh, look at that. He goes right for an armor. Oh, sloppy. Terrible, terrible left hook. The left leg, like, barely held on there. That was some.

Brendan Allen (147:22)

There it is.

Joe Rogan (147:23)

That's not bad. That's not bad. That's pretty good. I like that.

Brendan Allen (147:25)

He got a good angle.

Joe Rogan (147:26)

Oh, that's not bad at all.

Brendan Allen (147:27)

That's tight.

Joe Rogan (147:28)

He's cinching it up right there. Everybody at home is like, what is happening?

Brendan Allen (147:31)

Another man put his legs around another man's head.

Joe Rogan (147:34)

I remember when Hoist Gracie did that to Dan Severin. Everybody was like, what's going on? Like, what is happening? And then all of a sudden, you see Dan Severin tap, and you're like, what? What happened? What did he do? Put him asleep?

Brendan Allen (147:49)

My friend would know better. The lineage and stuff, right? That's where he's my. He's my intelligence. But we went to Brazil, right, for his fight. He was fighting in the favela at Josialdo. Jim. I don't know. Yeah, it's like, right on the edge of the favela. It's nice, though.

Joe Rogan (148:05)

Yeah. Andre Cataneras.

Brendan Allen (148:07)

Yeah, he was there. He was super nice.

Joe Rogan (148:08)

He's awesome.

Brendan Allen (148:09)

He was super nice.

Joe Rogan (148:10)

Super hospitable pioneer dude.

Brendan Allen (148:13)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (148:13)

He was fighting MMA in early days.

Brendan Allen (148:15)

Really? I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan (148:17)

Oh, my God, man.

Brendan Allen (148:18)

Yeah, I just know him. We met a lot of great guys, but we. We were there with Daniel, Gracie, and I think it's Enzo's mom. Mom and then his dad. Like, the whole lineage was there. Before he passed away, he was there. We went over there and we were sitting on their couch, chilling, hanging out, talking, meeting all of them. And again, I am absolutely God awful with names, but I knew, like, as soon as he come out of the stairs, he was going somewhere. He had a nice jacket. Oh, no. He was doing an interview with.

Brendan Allen (148:48)

He was doing an interview, like a little podcast or something. It was all in Portuguese. I couldn't understand what they were saying. But dude met him super nice. And then, like. Like, I think it wasn't too long after that he passed away. But, like, that's like this one of the starts of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

Joe Rogan (149:02)

Was it Ilio? Was it Carlos? Who was it?

Brendan Allen (149:05)

I think it was Carlos. I think. I don't.

Joe Rogan (149:08)

Doesn't matter.

Brendan Allen (149:09)

It was one of them, Right? I could figure it out, though.

Joe Rogan (149:11)

Okay.

Brendan Allen (149:12)

But, dude, super nice. Like, they were all explaining, like, the lineage, and I've. I started with.

Joe Rogan (149:16)

What's that, Jamie? Oh, sorry.

Brendan Allen (149:18)

I started with, like, Gracie Jiu Jitsu. So, like, I used to know that lineage fairly well, but the. Then you know how life is. You just get away and kind of forget you're not around it as much.

Joe Rogan (149:27)

But yeah, well, it's a crazy lineage. I mean, that one family's responsible for changing mixed martial arts, dude.

Brendan Allen (149:33)

They were Telling us so many, like, cool stories, like, things that I had heard through the grapevine, you know, from other people when I was younger. But they confirmed it and, like, they were even, like, asking, like, where the beef comes from in the family, you know, like, what started that? Exactly what started, because obviously he was in it. He. Dude, he. Well, they translated for us, but he was saying, like, how it all got.

Joe Rogan (149:54)

Started, but beef between what parts of the family?

Brendan Allen (149:57)

Two beefs that they have. No, it was Carlos and. Who's the one? One of the brothers went out on their own because he was like, I don't want nothing to do with this part of the family.

Joe Rogan (150:08)

Was it Horan?

Brendan Allen (150:10)

Maybe it was. I know that name they were saying started the ufc. Yeah, it might have been him.

Joe Rogan (150:15)

And Horan also trained Mel Gibson. Gibson.

Brendan Allen (150:18)

Okay, for.

Joe Rogan (150:18)

For this Lethal Weapon fight scene. There he is. Jorge and Gracie.

Brendan Allen (150:21)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (150:22)

Hori and Gracie in Playboy magazine challenged Mike Tyson to a no rules fight.

Brendan Allen (150:28)

See, I don't want to sound stupid, so I don't like to say too many names, but you go make me call my friend and ask him when we leave here.

Joe Rogan (150:33)

Well, Elio was his father, you know, Hickson's obviously his brother. Hoist is his brother. Hoyler's his brother. I think Hoyler and Hoist are half brothers.

Brendan Allen (150:41)

Yes, I knew that they were. They were saying that, but they were just kind of, like, going over, like, old times and stories and like, they were talking about that because apparently, like, with. They were saying, like, well, Daniel was saying, like, within the family, because he's a Gracie, but I think he's. He's like. It was his mom or something like, that was. So she's still a Gracie, but anyway. Or his. No, his cousin was a Gracie, so technically, like, he's not a real blood Gracie. I don't know. They tried to explain it. It's very weird. But anyway, we were there and they can't. They don't talk about it. Like, why there's a divide between this side of the family and this side. And they explained to, like, even when they were kids, like, they would go in and get into it. Like, say you'd go in and you get in a fight in the street. Just like, maybe you're 12 years old. It started. They said, like, basically that young, that, like, there was a divide between whatever one and this one. And because they would go get in a fight and he would come back and rat on them, and he was like, bro, come on. You know, so it started as that young. And he said, it was a lot. It wasn't even like, oh, it was just one time. No, like multiple times, you know, so it was just interesting to hear, like, these stories that these guys had of, like, when they were young in the streets, like, fighting in Rio.

Joe Rogan (151:53)

Oh, yeah. I mean, Hickson. There's a video of Hickson fighting somebody on the beach.

Brendan Allen (151:57)

Yeah. They talk about it.

Joe Rogan (151:59)

Some Luta Libre guy, he smacks him.

Brendan Allen (152:00)

On the beach, talks about it.

Joe Rogan (152:01)

They were talking about they're fighting in the sand, scrapping on the beach.

Brendan Allen (152:04)

Daniel was there for that. Daniel. Daniel was there. He was the one that brought it up. He was there, right. He said they showed the picture of it and he was right in the back.

Joe Rogan (152:12)

Hickson as well, Little surfer shorts on.

Brendan Allen (152:14)

Yep. He even. Daniel explained how it started. I don't remember that exact details, but, dude, it was like, well, they would.

Joe Rogan (152:21)

Dojo storm each other. They would show up at places and challenge, like, Luta Libre gyms, and Luta Libre guys would show up at the Gracie dojo.

Brendan Allen (152:29)

Dude, it was like, yeah, here it is.

Joe Rogan (152:31)

Look at Hickson with them beautiful colored shorts on. It just smacks him, like, come on, baby. It's on the dude. He's like, take your shoes off. Come on, let's go. Like there. Hold my shoes.

Brendan Allen (152:43)

Bro.

Joe Rogan (152:44)

These were wild times. Yeah. Especially when you take into consideration Hickson's widely considered one of the absolute greatest Jiu jitsu practitioners of all time, you know, and that he was willing to have these kind of fights on the beach in Rio, these no rules fights, just surrounded by dudes and man thongs. Yeah. I mean. And not have any strike striking. Look, see how Hickson's winging punches. These guys had no striking at all. It's really kind of crazy. I mean, not. Not ever saying there's anything wrong with anything that Hickson ever did, because he's, like, one of the greatest of all time. But if you look at the difference between a guy that is just a pure grappler like Hickson, even when he fought in Pride, remember, he'd come out with this throw those little stomp kicks, just try to get. He's just getting you to the ground. It's all getting you to the ground. There's no one like that now. Now no one has very little standup. There's no one who fights like that.

Brendan Allen (153:35)

And it's crazy because there was, like, so many stories about, like, Hoist wasn't even supposed to be the one to fight. You know, He. He wasn't even supposed to be the one.

Joe Rogan (153:43)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (153:44)

They're supposed to have the, the, the other one.

Joe Rogan (153:46)

Well, Hixon was always the champion of the family and Hoist had always said that The Hickson was 10 times better than him. Yeah, he said Hickson hicks on top me every day, every day I go to the gym, Hickson tap me. But it's just like, that's just how it was. But there was all. There was a lot of rumors. One of the rumors was that. So this is the narrative. Hoist says it's because he's so beautiful. It's like, look at this face. Of course they picked me. That's what he said on the podcast. It was hilarious because he's so handsome. But Hickson's handsome too, so it didn't make any sense. But it was, I think it was because Hoist could show that it was the technique because like Hickson was Reddit.

Brendan Allen (154:22)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (154:22)

I mean, he was pretty jacked too. And he looked like, like a world champion athlete, whereas hoist looked like 170 pound guy who's like, you know, not that muscular. And it was just technique. It was him using beautiful jiu jitsu technique that nobody knew what it was. It was like the best advertisement ever for jiu jitsu. When you see a 175 pound guy tapping out Dan Severin, you know, he's this huge wrestler and catch a chemo when he got him in that arm bar, like all the, that Hoist did, Ken Shamrock when he tapped him. Crazy to watch a guy that's like so much smaller than everybody else dominate everyone. And everyone was afraid of him. So it was like the perfect thing. And the thought was, okay, well if he ever does lose, we always have Hickson, right? And then. But Hickson went off to Japan and he did Japan Valley Tudo and then he did Pride. And you know, this was always. There was talk at one point, Tom, of Hickson fight in Fedor. They were throwing money around for Hickson after he fought in that coliseum show, which I think was in 2000. When did he fight Funaki? When did Hickson fight Funaki? I think it was the year 2000 and they were talking about Hickson fighting Fedor. They had made him an offer Japan for him to come over and he wanted to do. Never came.

Brendan Allen (155:37)

I wish you, I wish you could have heard like again because I'm so bad with names, games and my memory is not as good as it used to be. But if it's one of my favorite memories from fighting 2000.

Joe Rogan (155:48)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brendan Allen (155:49)

It's one of My favorite memories from fighting, just sitting there and listening to these guys, because the. The history was freaking insane. The stories were awesome. Like, it was. But like I said, I'm terrible with names, so I'm very bad with, like.

Joe Rogan (156:03)

RJ Pedneris on that card versus Genki Sudo.

Brendan Allen (156:06)

Sure.

Joe Rogan (156:07)

Ended in a draw. And Genki Sudo was a bad. That's how good Petronera was.

Brendan Allen (156:11)

I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan (156:12)

Oh, yeah. Pettinaris was legit, man.

Brendan Allen (156:14)

Damn.

Joe Rogan (156:15)

Very legit. Very legit.

Brendan Allen (156:16)

Damn.

Joe Rogan (156:17)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (156:17)

And I know great coach.

Joe Rogan (156:18)

I didn't know he fought in the early, early days, you know, I mean, it was. He might have even fought in extreme combat. Did he fight in extreme combat? He might have. Like, that was back in the day when Mario Sperry first burst on the scene. He fought back then. Igor Zanoviev, all these dudes that everybody forgot about, they fought in. That was John Peretti's card. So John Peretti, who was the commentator for the early days of the ufc, then John Peretti went over and started his own organization for a while.

Brendan Allen (156:47)

Yeah, it's crazy. Like, I think, like, sometimes. Well, I know, like I said, I'm bad at names, right? But it's like, I went and fought in Seattle last year or this year. I fought in Seattle this year, and they did. Like, there was Amanda Nunes, Robbie Lawler, Lawler, and there was one more that got inducted into the hall of Fame this year, and nobody could give, like, really any fights for who. Whoever the other person was. And not many could give too much for Robbie Lawler. I was like, bro, how have you not heard about Robbie?

Joe Rogan (157:21)

Oh, you mean they weren't clapping?

Brendan Allen (157:22)

No, like, so here it is.

Joe Rogan (157:24)

Let me just go over this real quick. Pedinaris, his debut. Debut fight, Valley Tudo, Japan. That's what it was. He beated Rumen Osato and then Pat Melitic for the UFC welterweight title. UFC 21. We lost in the second round, technical knockout. Then he fought K Uno.

Brendan Allen (157:42)

He was a savage.

Joe Rogan (157:42)

I remember that ended in a draw. So Genki Sudo and Kau Uno, two savages. And both of those fights were draws. And the last one with Genki Sudo was his last MMA fight. So how many fights did he have overall? Four fights, but, shit, they're all good. Oh, yeah, yeah, he fought legit guys. Yeah, he beat Rumina Sato, you know, Rumina Sato, man, was fucking terrifying back then. Ko. Soccer kick. Ko. Oh, damn. Yeah.

Brendan Allen (158:09)

But, yeah, it was like.

Brendan Allen (158:11)

It was just different, man. That time frame is just different.

Joe Rogan (158:14)

You Know. Well, it is. It's the birth of the sport. And it's. It's kind of amazing to have been there at the very beginning and to be able to watch. Watch it. You know, when I. When I. I first found out about it, I couldn't believe it was real. I had a bunch of friends that told me about it. I think I. I heard about it from dudes at. Do you remember Benny Orquidez? Do you know who he was?

Brendan Allen (158:34)

No, I don't know.

Joe Rogan (158:35)

Benny the Jet was a famous kickboxer. Now I'm really going back.

Brendan Allen (158:38)

Feel like I know that name.

Joe Rogan (158:39)

He was one of the best kickboxers of all time. And this was like way back in the day, like in the early 80s. Benny the Jet was the man in the late 70s and the early 80s 80s, and he had this gym in California, in Van Nuys, California, called the Jet Center. When I first moved out to California, there's two places I knew I really had to go. One was the Comedy Store, and the other was the Jet Center. And so I got. I got to work out at the Jet center, and Benny was there, and his cousin Blinky, he was there. And Blinky Rodriguez, who was another elite kickboxer who actually knocked out Jean Yves Terrio, who's like one of the best kickboxers of all time. Time. So it was like this incredible gym, but Benny the Jet, or Kitas, was like. He was early like a pine, like. Like the Bill Superfoot Wallace days, like back in those days, you know, And I forget what I was just saying what. I lost my train of thought. What were we just talking about before that?

Brendan Allen (159:37)

Yeah, you moved to la.

Joe Rogan (159:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I had a point. I had a point about these early MMA fighters.

Brendan Allen (159:42)

Oh, you were saying it's the birds.

Joe Rogan (159:43)

Of the birth is of the sport. So watching that, this is my point, was watching that where there was not even leg kicks to watching. All of a sudden you see Rick Rufus and he fought that dude from Thailand, like one of the most important fights in the history of martial arts, because you get to see that dude from Thailand just chop Rick Rufus legs apart. And then Rick and Duke both learned from that and said, okay, we got to incorporate that into our game. Duke becomes a world Muay Thai champion. After that, that, which is like, it changed. And then Duke becomes one of the best MMA coaches ever. So it changes the entire course of the sport. And when I got into it and started watching it in, oh, that's what it was. So the Jet center, one of the guys from the Jetser is like, you got to see this thing. It's called the UFC. This is in 94. I was like, what? What is it? It was a UFC 2. Like, I didn't even see UFC 1. I saw UFC 2 because that was the only one that was available on VHS. So I watched UFC 2 at. I was like, this is crazy. I'm like, how is this guy doing this? Like, this is. And I was like, oh my God. Like, how is everybody so vulnerable to this one guy? Like, this is nuts. So I was like, I gotta train Jiu jitsu. And watching all of these people from that, that era and watching the level of the competition at that era and what the fights looked like versus today. There's not another sport on earth where you, you could see a gigantic difference between 1994 and 2025. Like a gigantic difference where it's unrecognizable. The, like that kid that you were talking about before, the 18 year old kid, what's his name again?

Brendan Allen (161:16)

Anar.

Joe Rogan (161:17)

That guy would have been a world champion, easy. A world champion?

Brendan Allen (161:21)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (161:21)

No one would have fucked with him. We would have said, this is the greatest fighter that's ever walked the face of the planet. And he's a kid that's on undercards of small regional shows that now, right? How crazy is that? So, like, when you're seeing these guys in the Dana White Contender series, some of these guys coming up, I'm watching them fight for their first fight in the contender series, I'm like, this guy looks like he'd be fighting for the title. Like, they're complete fighters, they're fast, they have good technique, Everything they're doing is smart. It's like the level has changed so much in just a short period of time. And I feel so lucky to be able to see the whole thing. I saw the whole thing, like from the ground floor to today day, it's.

Brendan Allen (161:57)

Crazy because you probably hear all the time, right? Like, I was probably watching Fear Factor before I knew at the ufc. So when I saw the ufc, I was like, dad, look, it's him. He was like, he looks at me because obviously my dad's seen it before. He's like, yes, son, he's been around a while. You know, he's been in the ufc. I don't even know if it was longer, but I'm sure it was.

Joe Rogan (162:17)

Yeah, I was. I started working for the UFC in 97.

Brendan Allen (162:20)

So he was like, he's always been there. So then obviously, as I get older, I start seeing history and looking at old fights and older fights, fights, and I see. I noticed you there the whole time. And like, me and my friend Tuco have these conversations, but I was like, bro, Joe's a real one, though. He's. He's been here the whole time. Like, how awesome does that have to be for, like, you, Dana Fetas, and probably a few others too, that nobody knows that have seen this thing grow from what it was to what it is today?

Joe Rogan (162:48)

Oh, it's amazing.

Brendan Allen (162:49)

It's got to be.

Joe Rogan (162:50)

It's amazing. Yeah. I feel so lucky. I'm so fortunate. Like, it's one of the things I look forward to more than anything in life. And like you said, I see weekend, I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. I get so excited. I've been doing this forever. I still. I started UFC 12 in 1997. That was the first fight that I ever did backstage interviews. That's what I did. Or post fight interviews too, I think. I started doing interviews backstage and then I interviewed guys after the fight was over. That was, you know, earlier, but how'd you.

Brendan Allen (163:17)

How do you start there?

Joe Rogan (163:19)

It was a crazy fluke. So I was already doing jiu jitsu. I was at Carlson Gracie's. This is back before Vitor made his debut. I was training at Vitor's with Vitor's gym with Mario Sperry. I took lessons from Mario Sperry when I was a white belt. It was awesome, dude. Marilo Bustamante was there all the time.

Joe Rogan (163:38)

There was a. A ton of the. The Carlson Gracie killers, you know, the two bulldogs, you know, fighting other. Each other. And Carlson was there every day. So I got to train there when I was on news radio, the sitcom. I was. So it was just like 1996. And I just love that there was. This was before Vitor fought in the ufc. So he. While he was training at the gym with us, he went and fought this guy, John Hess. John Hess was this big, tall. He fought in the UFC as well, I believe. I believe he did. John Hess was his. He. He had a style called safta. I forget what it was about, but it was like, back then, dudes would just like, make up their own style. Street fighting, artistic finger, you know, they would make up some sort of a acronym. But Vitor blitzed across the ring. He was 19 years old and just lit this guy up like a machine gun. Like, got him down.

Joe Rogan (164:31)

Like, put him out on the ground, like, it was so crazy and so fast. The most ferocious display of ground and pound I had ever seen. In my life at the time. And I was like, this is crazy. And so. So just randomly, they had a guy who was doing the post fight interviews, and they wanted to get a new guy, and they were looking for people, and the guy, Campbell McLaren, who was the producer of the UFC, happened to be friends with my manager from the comedy club days. Campbell used to work at a comedy club with my manager, and they were just shooting the shit over the phone. He goes, hey, I'm looking for someone to do interviews for the ufc. Do you know anybody that'd be interested in. He goes, like, Joe is a huge fan. He's like, joe watches every one of them. I. I actually got DirecTV just so I could watch the UFC, because that's when it was banned from cable. So I got my cable removed and I got DirecTV put in my house just so I could watch the ufc, because it was the only way you could catch it. And then it was no money, and I was supposed to fly to New York, but then the last minute, it got canceled. They made it illegal in New York, and we had to fly to Dothan, Alabama, on a propeller plane. I shared a propeller plane with Randy Cout.

Joe Rogan (165:42)

And actually, that was later. Later. That was in Louisiana. I shared a propeller plane with Randy Couture, but Randy didn't fight then. But it was. Vitor made his debut against Trey Telegman, and everybody thought he was a jiu jitsu guy because he was from Carlson Gracie, he had a black belt, and he just came out just throwing missiles, just miss so fast. Like, nobody had seen anything like. Like that. And he was only like 200 pounds back then. He was light and fast and strong as. And then he fought Scott Ferozo and took him out in the final. So he won this heavyweight tournament, and that was 1997.

Brendan Allen (166:20)

That's crazy. Yeah, that was the third person I was trying to think of when I was in Seattle. So basically, what happened, UFC was asking fighters, hey, were these. These three guys. They weren't saying they were getting inducted, but obviously, if you've been around, it was veto. It was Detour. Amanda Nunes and Robbie Lawler.

Joe Rogan (166:36)

They weren't cheering for Vitor.

Brendan Allen (166:37)

No, no. They were asking the fighters, Right? They were asking the fighters, hey, if. Do you know who these guys are? If you do, what's your most memorable moment of them? What do you. What was your favorite moment like? Anything like that. Right. Because obviously they put it on the montage when they announce it. Right? And they told me that only me and two other Fighters on the entire car hard could give a fight from Vitor. I was like, no way. I was like, that highlight that you're talking about when he sprints across, even if you don't know the person, how do you not see that highlight?

Joe Rogan (167:11)

When he did that to Vanderlei, remember we did.

Brendan Allen (167:12)

That's the one I said. That's what I said. That was my. Vanderlei was that one.

Joe Rogan (167:16)

That was crazy. But I think the scariest Vitor of all time was TRTV Tour. TRTV Tour was the scariest human being that ever stepped into that cast cage. If they never banned trt, I. I think that guy would have been a terror for every human being. That weight that weighed 185 pounds for sure. The way he wheel kicked Luke Rockhold, like, what the are we looking at, man?

Brendan Allen (167:39)

He.

Joe Rogan (167:39)

We never saw him throw a wheel kick in his whole career. All of a sudden he's wheel kicking guys in the head.

Brendan Allen (167:44)

He come in the gym, like, because obviously live in Florida. He come in the gym and he is the nicest guy. Brother, brother, come here, come here.

Joe Rogan (167:51)

Very nice guy.

Brendan Allen (167:51)

Let's talk about it. Hey, I think. I think you need to slow down a little bit. These hundred percent every days. No good, brother. He said, why don't you come? We can have some coffee, have lunch, and let's talk about it. I love the science behind the sport. Wow. But super nice guy, right? Like, those are conversations that I had with him. And if I see him, great guy. Before this, never had a conversation with him, Only watched him on tv, you know. But that was like the first interaction I ever had with Vitor as a person. And I don't know if he knew who I was. He just watched me spar and then come to me after. That was it.

Joe Rogan (168:24)

That's very nice of him.

Brendan Allen (168:25)

Yeah, super nice guy.

Joe Rogan (168:26)

A real OG like him that's been again, fighting since 1997. 1997. That's almost 30 years. That's literally crazy that it hurt my.

Brendan Allen (168:36)

Heart when they said that people didn't like, couldn't like say fights for him. Couldn't even say a highlight.

Joe Rogan (168:40)

It's hard. You know, these young guys, a lot of them, they're 25 years old, 24 years old. They didn't Joshua watch this. Joshua Van, 24. Right. Like, didn't watch the sport a lot before they were involved in it. And the. The fights that they've really seen a lot of have been the last few years.

Brendan Allen (168:55)

Yeah. And that's what Josh Van. That's why I Said his name. He's young, but he says the same thing. Because they were like, why do you think Pentoja is the goat? He's like, I know Demetrius Johnson is what everyone says. He was like, but I. I never got to see him, you know? Like, I was crazy.

Joe Rogan (169:08)

That's crazy, too. Go watch.

Brendan Allen (169:09)

It's online. Yeah, go see it. YouTube's free, bro.

Joe Rogan (169:12)

You're the champ now, Josh. Joshua, go back and watch Mighty Mouse, because that was extraordinary. He was Mighty Mouse in his time was extreme.

Brendan Allen (169:21)

He was still special when he fought that. That big Brazilian kid and won.

Joe Rogan (169:24)

Huh? Right?

Brendan Allen (169:24)

He lost one. And then he beat him twice. Right.

Joe Rogan (169:26)

The first time in one championship. And then he got KO'd and then KO'd him the exact same way.

Brendan Allen (169:30)

Really? Wasn't me.

Joe Rogan (169:31)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (169:32)

I didn't know it was the same thing.

Joe Rogan (169:33)

Got KO with knees and both got KO'd against the cage with knees. It was. It was literally like almost the exact same. Except Demetrius actresses was more artistic. It was beautiful. The flow where he was like chasing him. He rocked him and then he's chasing him down. He's like, not yet. There it is. And he just launches and catches him with this. You've seen it, right?

Brendan Allen (169:52)

Yeah, I've seen it.

Joe Rogan (169:52)

Oh, my God.

Brendan Allen (169:53)

I didn't know it was the same way.

Joe Rogan (169:54)

What is that dude's name? The Duty KO'd.

Joe Rogan (169:58)

Just Andre.

Brendan Allen (169:59)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (169:59)

Search Demetrius Johnson. Flying knee KO1FC. I bet you'll find. Find it.

Joe Rogan (170:08)

Yeah. Adriana Morais. That's it. That's it. And Morise is good, dude. He's really good. He's really big. And one FC's got that squirrely weight. Cutting jazz.

Joe Rogan (170:19)

So this is the second fight after Mirais had KO'd him in the first fight. And also, this is a DJ that's probably 35 years old.

Brendan Allen (170:25)

Right, Right.

Joe Rogan (170:26)

I mean. And after a long career in the ufc, widely recognized as the greatest flywheel weight of all time in the ufc. And to me, like, he just didn't get the love that he deserved when he was in his prime because he was £125. And for whatever reason, I mean, it's not like, it's not even more interesting to watch, like, but people have this weird thing, like a heavyweight could beat anywhere, anyone in the world. 125 pound guy will dump him on his head. It was. Stop. Watch him fight. Okay, right there. Boom. But back it up.

Brendan Allen (170:59)

Back.

Joe Rogan (170:59)

Back it up a second so you can see the sequence. Look, right hand timing. Boom. Perfect. The timing is just so beautiful. That's so. Look, that's fucking artistic, man. That is so artistic.

Brendan Allen (171:11)

It's perfect.

Joe Rogan (171:11)

And to KO a guy with the shit he KO'd you with in the first fight is wild.

Brendan Allen (171:15)

Dude, I don't know much about, like, Demetrius as a person, but from what I've seen of him, obviously, because you see more now that he's on, like doing his, like, streaming and stuff, he.

Joe Rogan (171:25)

Is like, he's the best.

Brendan Allen (171:26)

He's the definition of a martial artist, too. He cares about the pureness of being a martial artist rather than the views or the belt or. Or any of that.

Joe Rogan (171:35)

Talking stupid just to get attention. He hates people that do that kind of stuff. He hates disrespectful stuff. He's such a nice guy, but also just so smart about his approach to the sport. Just so clever inside the cage and also so fast, man. Dude, one time I grabbed him, just, just being silly at a ufc. He was in front of me and I put my arms around him like from behind, you know, like. Like saying hi to somebody.

Brendan Allen (172:00)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (172:00)

And he turned around, he looked at me, goes. He hit me with two knees to the body, like, just touched me with it.

Brendan Allen (172:05)

It was so fast.

Joe Rogan (172:06)

I was like, dude, that was so scary. You hit me so fast. I didn't even see them coming. It was like, you know, just like, just. Just moved like a cat.

Brendan Allen (172:16)

And you know, like you said he was probably 35 or whatever there. He could still compete with the best in the world.

Joe Rogan (172:21)

The best. Yeah. And juice free, too. Juice free. With the best in the world. And by the way, over the there, I don't know what kind of drug test they're doing, but it's probably multiple choice.

Joe Rogan (172:33)

There's a lot of them organizations where you're like, how are you testing, really?

Brendan Allen (172:38)

It's a multiple choice, you know, because.

Joe Rogan (172:41)

Like, if you're not testing all throughout camp randomly, you're not really testing, you know, because we have to remember that Alistair Overeem, when he fought Brock Lesnar, was tested, and that is the juiciest man that's ever walked the face of planet earth. The Alistair Overeem that fought Brock Lesnar is the juiciest guy I've ever seen fight.

Brendan Allen (173:02)

It was horse meat.

Joe Rogan (173:03)

And I wish he could keep choosing. I do. I think we would have seen. We've seen a different result if you. You let Alistair stay juicy and stay 265 with world class kickboxing skills and all the. Also, he was so jacked that he could kind of hide from punches because when he would shell up, especially in K1, when he had those big gloves, bro, when he would shell up. So he's got biceps and shoulders and then traps. Everything's all protected. And he's got that high guard, and he's coming in like this, throwing bombs, dude. And he looks like a superhero. He looks like a guy from a comic book.

Brendan Allen (173:41)

Yeah. Let's just let everyone juice. If you want to juice, just everyone juice. Let's make it even playing field. Instead of let's try to catch who's not or let's catch who's juicing.

Joe Rogan (173:48)

Would you. If they. If they just open the gates.

Brendan Allen (173:50)

Okay, okay. I'll start it off by saying yes. When I was younger, I was like, no, I never juice. I want to be all natural to show everything. Like, show. I'm just that good. Then I was like. As I got older and seen it, I was like, nah.

Brendan Allen (174:08)

I would. But that's like. I remember I fought Eric Anders for lfa, right? And they have pictures of him on the scale the day of the fight. 222, 223. One of them two, right? I'm stepping in. I don't even really cut. I'm stepping in, like, 194. I'm young. I don't cut really anything. That time I did cut a lot. That was the first fight I cut a lot for because I was lifting like crazy, and I wasn't really doing nothing else because I was in Louisiana. I used to train with Rich Clementi.

Joe Rogan (174:36)

Oh, okay.

Brendan Allen (174:36)

Yeah. So, you know, he's crazy as hell. So I was training there, but I was lifting more than anything. But anyway, I was probably like, 196 is 197. No more than 200 for sure. No questions asked. And, dude, they. They come in the back out that night, and they're like, hey, we're drug testing you. I said, what? He said, yeah, yeah, we're gonna drug test you. It's random. I said, well, if it's random, is he getting drug tested too? They're like, nah. I said, oh, so you're telling me the man who's weighing over 220 and just weighed 185 exact yesterday is not getting tested, but the guy who's only weighing, like 14, whatever, pounds more, is getting tested. I pulled up my shirt, I said, does it look like I'm on steroids? Does it look like it? I said, give me some credit, bro. If I was gonna take it, I promise you, I would look like it. And they're like, I'm sorry, bro, but this is. It's just our job. I was like, all right, let's go. Get it done. But it's just like, how could you.

Joe Rogan (175:31)

Randomly test only a few people on a roster? That has to be like a budget thing. That has to be a budget thing.

Brendan Allen (175:37)

Texas Commission.

Joe Rogan (175:38)

That's cra. But that must be, like, they don't want to spend money on everybody.

Brendan Allen (175:42)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (175:43)

If you test one guy in the card, you should have to test everybody.

Brendan Allen (175:46)

Yeah. I think it was a total of three or four guys. What they said that they tested on the whole card.

Joe Rogan (175:50)

If you're testing a guy, you have to test his appointment opponent.

Brendan Allen (175:53)

Dude, you have to.

Joe Rogan (175:54)

That's crazy.

Brendan Allen (175:55)

I was. I. I still, to this day, I laugh about like, come on, bro. Every time someone asked me, like, hey, come on, bro.

Joe Rogan (176:01)

There's a few fights where they stop. They wouldn't let a guy fight because they. In the TRT days, they did test to see what people's levels are. And one guy. I don't want to say his name, but one guy was so high that they canceled the main event.

Brendan Allen (176:14)

Really?

Joe Rogan (176:15)

Yeah. They canceled the main event at the weigh in?

Brendan Allen (176:17)

Yeah. Wow.

Joe Rogan (176:18)

Yeah.

Brendan Allen (176:18)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (176:19)

I didn't know that he was so juicy. They were worried that he was going to die. They were like, you could, like, your levels are. Whatever you did, you should not be fighting with this level of testosterone in your system. Also on trt. So it wasn't like this guy's just some genetic freak like Y. Romero coming out of the Cuban sports program? No, it wasn't.

Brendan Allen (176:38)

He's a special human, too.

Joe Rogan (176:39)

That's a special human? Yeah.

Brendan Allen (176:41)

Do you ever heard of a guy. Clovis, I think. Clovis Hancock. He died in the fight. I think it was for Legacy or lfa. I fought him. Then his next fight, he died in the cage. And. And they brought him back.

Joe Rogan (176:58)

Whoa.

Brendan Allen (176:58)

Yeah. Cpr. It's. It was all over the Internet. I fought that dude. I was like, no way. I saw. The next day, I seen it, like, yeah. They had to give him CPR till the ambulance.

Joe Rogan (177:08)

Wow.

Brendan Allen (177:09)

Got him loaded up and taken to the hospital, so his heart just stopped beating. Wow. Never. Obviously never allowed to fight again, but obviously. Yeah. Yeah, man. Crazy.

Joe Rogan (177:17)

He wanted to. Oh, my God.

Brendan Allen (177:18)

He probably did, bro. He was funny. I ain't.

Joe Rogan (177:20)

Some guys just have that dog in them. They don't care. Cyborg wanted to fight again after he got his skull crushed by mvp.

Brendan Allen (177:26)

No way.

Joe Rogan (177:27)

Yeah. He thought he was going to fight again after that. So here it is. Do. Can you imagine being the audience watching that they're doing CPR on a dude.

Joe Rogan (177:37)

Oh my God, that's so scary.

Brendan Allen (177:38)

Yeah, yeah, I remember he was the cutman for scary. Yeah, man, it's. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan (177:43)

Well, thank God they have those EMTs on standby and you know for sure these organizations, they do their very best to screen people and make sure that they're as healthy as possible. The UFC does a real good job with that. Five minutes.

Brendan Allen (177:54)

Yeah. Dead for five. Dead for five minutes. The cut man was the guy that was giving him CPR. Wasn't even the EMTs.

Joe Rogan (177:59)

Oh my God. Thank God the cut man knew. Yeah, cpr. Holy, dude.

Brendan Allen (178:04)

Yeah, it was crazy.

Joe Rogan (178:06)

Well, you know, reminds me you, this is not a game. It's for sure it's a crazy ass sport. So what's next for you? Do you know? Do they have you lined up for anything?

Brendan Allen (178:15)

No, I've been pushing. Hopefully jerkus. Hopefully March, April at the latest.

Joe Rogan (178:23)

So do you need like that much time to prepare? Is that like how you'd like to.

Brendan Allen (178:27)

Yeah, I just kind of al. I started training again today, matter of fact.

Brendan Allen (178:33)

So.

Joe Rogan (178:33)

Training excited about fighting.

Brendan Allen (178:35)

Fighting you, huh?

Joe Rogan (178:36)

Maybe that'll get him excited about. Maybe that's a trap. Maybe that's a trap. If I was dress, I'm like, this probably has a full six pack. If he takes his shirt off, he's probably ripped six pack of rolls, he's ready to go. He's just bullshitting, saying he hasn't been training to goad me into a fight.

Brendan Allen (178:48)

Yeah, man, but I like.

Joe Rogan (178:50)

So Drus is the guy that you're hoping for?

Brendan Allen (178:52)

Yes, sir. And it makes sense. Like it's, it's just the right time. Like I said, Imov is going to wait for the champion. He earned his spot. They just announced Fluffy and Sean, so what's left? It's just me and him.

Joe Rogan (179:04)

And it's a good fight too. It'd be a great fight to watch and a good fight, you know, for, for you obviously, fighting former champion, you know, in his next. And for Dricus, it's like that's a, that's the kind of fight you need at this point. You need to turn back the young lions.

Brendan Allen (179:19)

I've been trying to fight him since he got into the ufc. I just felt like I still feel this way. I feel like he's the luckiest guy I've ever seen. Like, don't get me wrong, he does have a couple fights now. Now. But before he got the Belt. I always said, like, he's the luckiest guy. Like, Marcus Perez was beating his ass. Marcus Perez wanted to do something crazy and went to throw a spinning elbow. Jerkus was throwing a body shot when he was throwing the spinning elbow, and he hit him right in the mouth. Dress hit Marcus right in the mouth. Out.

Joe Rogan (179:48)

I don't think you can call that lucky.

Brendan Allen (179:50)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (179:51)

I know what you're saying. But he finds a way to win. The dude's a dog.

Brendan Allen (179:55)

He is a dog.

Joe Rogan (179:56)

He finds a way to win. Win. You know, I mean, think about some of them fights that were just like. Like the Adesanya fight. Like, he just kept. Kept coming and found a way to win.

Brendan Allen (180:04)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (180:06)

We took Whitaker out in the first round. You can't. There's.

Brendan Allen (180:08)

No, no, no, you're right. That one's. I don't see luck in that one.

Joe Rogan (180:11)

This is a lot.

Brendan Allen (180:12)

I think that was a great strategy.

Joe Rogan (180:13)

He's a animal dude.

Brendan Allen (180:14)

Yeah. He. I love that's. Honestly, like, we can say whatever we want about each other. He can joke, talk, whatever the case. But I love the fight because I know he's coming to fight. Like, he's coming to kill for sure. I love that. I don't want a guy that's. I like, I've had him, but I don't like the guys that just want to hug. Like, he's trying to hurt me. I love that. Like, that nervousness brings out the best version of me because I'm nervous. Like, who's not nervous of another man that's gonna. He's trying to hurt me. And his. To me, one of his best attributes is exactly what you said. Like, he. You describe it as he finds a way to win. Like, that's a great way. For me, I'm just like, that dude can dig deep.

Joe Rogan (180:57)

Same exact thing in the Khamzat fight. Even in the Hamza fight. Remember the fifth round?

Brendan Allen (181:01)

Yep.

Joe Rogan (181:01)

Fifth round, he's on top. Dropping bombs on Khamzat. At one point in time, it was a little too late and he didn't get him out of there. But he was not giving up.

Brendan Allen (181:10)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (181:10)

He just was getting dominated. Difference for sure. He was still trying to find a way to win.

Brendan Allen (181:15)

But I love that that that motivates me by itself.

Joe Rogan (181:18)

Like, I love hearing that.

Brendan Allen (181:19)

I want a guy that's going to try to come kill me, because what's the worst that's going to happen? He knocks me out. Okay. Okay. Like, that's what we came to do anyway. Any man could do it. I've had. I've been TKO'd before. Like, all right, cool. But I can do it to you too, you know, so that's what I. I love that aspect of the fight. That's my favorite thing. That's what motivates me about the fight more than the. The number.

Joe Rogan (181:41)

The danger.

Brendan Allen (181:42)

Yeah, I like that. It's. And I. I feel like I really, truly haven't had that in a while. Like a true. Like, some guys look at it as a sport, and some guys really mean it. Like, I'm trying to hurt you. And I like that. Like, it brings that out in me too, because, like, I'm trying to hurt you. All right, you're gonna try to hurt me? I'm gonna try to hurt you. Or, you know, I don't know. But that's just how I look at the fight, and it really, like, excites me. Like, that's that demonic side of me coming out. Like, let's see. I'm ready.

Joe Rogan (182:11)

Well, I love hearing that, and I love the fight. I hope you get it.

Brendan Allen (182:14)

Thank you.

Joe Rogan (182:14)

And thanks for being here, man. It was great talking to you. Let everybody know how they can find you on social.

Brendan Allen (182:20)

Yeah. On Instagram at Brendan Allen185 or B. Allen185. And that's. That's really where I be. I'm just kind of chill. I'm low key.

Joe Rogan (182:30)

All right, brother. Well, hopefully next time I'll talk to you. It's after a victory.

Brendan Allen (182:33)

Yes, sir. Thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan (182:35)

My pleasure.

Brendan Allen (182:35)

It's such a pleasure being here with all you. You guys. Thank you so much.

Joe Rogan (182:37)

My pleasure. All right, bye, everybody.

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