JCW and Bobbo riffing on music * GOOD STUFF! podcast only, not aired. Explicit language warning

Summary

The John Clay Wolfe Show: JCW and Bobbo Riffing on Music – "GOOD STUFF!" (Podcast Only/Explicit)

Date: February 13, 2026
Summary Prepared By: Expert Podcast Summarizer

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Overview

In this special, unaired podcast episode, John Clay Wolfe and Bobbo sit back for an unfiltered, off-the-cuff conversation about music—their lifelong loves, legendary bands, musical inspirations, and stories that shaped them. Veering from classic rock deep cuts to country and personal tales, their banter is equal parts irreverent, insightful, nostalgic, and raw. Expect explicit language, passionate musical takes, side-splitting anecdotes, and genuine reverence for the power of music.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lynyrd Skynyrd: Underrated Greatness & Deep Cuts

• Rediscovering Skynyrd

  • John shares how being home alone led to rediscovering Skynyrd's album tracks, particularly "I Need You" and "Needle and the Spoon," songs often overlooked compared to radio standards.
    • “It just hit me this week...this is probably one of the best songs of all time.” – John (00:38)
  • Bobbo agrees on Skynyrd’s depth but points out all their hits are strong.
  • John ranks Skynyrd above Led Zeppelin, declaring them “underrated” and impacted by tragedy (plane crash), limiting their potential output.
    • “I think Skynyrd—they’re better than Led Zeppelin—and that takes a lot for me to say.” – John (01:20)

• Musicianship Comparison with Zeppelin

  • Both hosts discuss the rhythm section similarities between Zepp and Skynyrd—the rootedness in blues and syncopation.
    • “It’s the blues thing. It’s the black thing. It’s the slave thing... This song’s so fuckin’ good.” – John (03:21)

• Drug Themes and Tragedy

  • Bobbo ponders the authenticity of Skynyrd's lyrics about hard drug use.
    • “Who in that band knew anything about heroin? Because a lot of their lyrics deal very well with the problem of heavy drug usage.” – Bobbo (03:43)
  • John quips: “Maybe the pilots of the airplane.” (03:52)

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2. Led Zeppelin: Musical Theft & Influence

• Accusations of Plagiarism

  • Bobbo and John debate Zeppelin's habit of “lifting” riffs and songs from early blues and other artists.
    • “Zeppelin—you know, they got sued for ripping off all these black artists in the ‘30s and ‘40s...” – John (04:48)
  • On "Stairway to Heaven" and the “Taurus” song by Spirit:
    • “If you wrote that, wouldn’t you be a little pissed?... You really can’t copyright that progression. It’s just a diminishing minor chord.” – Bobbo (09:17, 09:51)

• English Bands & Black American Music

  • They discuss how bands like the Beatles, Stones, and Zeppelin were inspired by American blues, often accessing it via bootlegs.
    • “A lot of English guys, Beatles included, loved old black American music. But they never saw it with a record label on it...” – Bobbo (10:46)

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3. Musical Friends, Sex, and Personal Tales

• Rock ‘n’ Roll Lifestyles

  • The segment shifts to sex & touring stories — both their own and fellow cast member JD’s notorious escapades.
    • “JD's got the best stories of anyone—he’s a swinging nudist freak show and he’s clean jelly bean on the front.” – John (06:34)

• Radio Days & Regrets

  • Bobbo candidly discusses wild years DJing, burning bridges, and the price of being a womanizer.
    • “I lost a good woman over it. What’d you do? I screwed every woman that I got to know for about three years.” – Bobbo and John (06:16-06:34)

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4. Eagles, Stones, and Legends That Endure

• Eagles with Vince Gill & Next Chapters

  • Conversation on Eagles post-Glenn Frey, with skepticism about their new lineup and commercial motives.
    • “So they bring in Fry’s son...then they just announce Vince Gill. So it’s gonna take two guys to replace Fry.” – John (12:20)
    • “They're not good...they're not talking about recording or anything. This is just for live concerts. Although, if the concerts go well, I would not be surprised if they didn't cut another, because Don Henley lacks money.” – Bobbo (12:32)

• Rolling Stones & Longevity

  • Brief admiration for the Stones’ latest album and Mick Jagger’s ageless energy.
    • “Mick...he's still slinging that to them gals. Is he 80 years old?” – John (12:03)

• Pearl Jam’s Place

  • John suggests Pearl Jam as the “Stones of our generation.”
    • “I think Eddie Vedder's Mick Jagger, maybe. Who would be, if it’s not him?” – John (11:34)

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5. Steely Dan: The Musicians’ Band

• Trying to “Sell” the Band
  • Bobbo explains why Steely Dan attracts musicians—complex jazz-rock approach, intricate lyrics, a “band for bands.”
    • “It’s jazz rock without trying to be jazz rock... Steely Dan's kind of a band for bands to listen to.” – Bobbo (14:42, 14:58)

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6. Techniques, Learning, Musical Upbringing

• Musical Education & Family

  • Bobbo details learning guitar by ear; his father, a skilled mandolinist, tried (and failed) to teach him formally.
    • “He gave up. No, he decided he couldn’t show me... he wanted to throttle me because I couldn’t make the rabbit ears [for tying shoes].” – Bobbo (16:20, 16:38)

• Playing at Home

  • Whole family jams together, but session shifts to hymns, which he finds off-putting.
    • “All that Jesus music sucks. But you can make it good, dude—Elvis could make it good.” – John & Bobbo (17:39-17:45)

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7. The Power of Music Versus Religion

• Music as a Deeper Force
  • Both hosts reflect on music’s power to stir emotion and nostalgia.
    • “I think music is stronger than religion, I really do... music is a more powerful force than religion.” – John (18:39, 18:53)
    • “The feelings it invokes...it’s a deeper vibe.” – Bobbo (18:59)

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8. Modern Recording, Lost Chemistry, and New Music

• Producers and “Track-by-Track” Recording

  • Discussion of modern music’s lack of band chemistry, as explained by Simon Cowell & Alan Parsons.
    • “Simon said, it’s real simple, John—the bands don’t play together anymore...there’s no chemistry.” – John (20:13, 20:25)
    • “They’re waiting for the next culmination of that kind of chemistry to come along.” – Bobbo (20:54)

• Country, Alabama Shakes, and New Acts

  • Acknowledging the crowd fervor and “passion” shifting to country music, John contemplates giving modern country a fair shot.
    • “I think I’m fixing to cave in and start embracing country music...maybe I need to shut the fuck up for a minute and go at it with an open mind.” – John (21:15)

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9. Nostalgia, Childhood, and Emotional Resonance

• Music as a Trigger for Memories
  • The emotional pull of music is discussed—whether love for a song is about quality or the memories it brings back.
    • “Is it that they’re so good, or is it the memories you’re dialing back into?” – John (23:07)
    • “Memories is really—I don’t know if it’s the music’s so good or it’s the memories that it triggers from childhood...” – Bobbo (22:43)

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10. Anecdotes & Concert Antics

• Booing Chicago, Doobie Brothers Love

  • Bobbo recounts booing Chicago at a concert after being mesmerized by the Doobie Brothers.
    • “We got about four songs in—they started playing that ‘Colour My World’...all the fat ladies have their lighters out...” – Bobbo (25:02)

• Passing Out at Joe Walsh/Bad Company Concert

  • Hilarious story of Bobbo passing out from a single hit at a concert, breaking his glasses and nose, and getting wheeled out.
    • “You took that hit and passed out, and broke your glasses and had to get wheeled off in a wheelchair!” – John (25:24)
    • “Dude, this stuff was different...” – Bobbo (25:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I think Skynyrd—they’re better than Led Zeppelin—and that takes a lot for me to say.” – John (01:20)
• “It’s the blues thing...it’s the black thing... This song’s so fuckin’ good.” – John (03:21)
• “Who in that band knew anything about heroin? A lot of their lyrics deal very well with heavy drug usage.” – Bobbo (03:43)
• “Zeppelin...they got sued for ripping off all these black artists...a few of them complete ripoffs.” – John (04:48)
• “I lost a good woman over it...I screwed every woman I got to know for about three years.” – Bobbo (06:16)
• “He a girl on the star of Texas stadium...on the first turn at the horse racetrack.” – John (07:04)
• “I think Eddie Vedder's Mick Jagger, maybe.” – John (11:34)
• “Steely Dan’s kind of a band for bands to listen to.” – Bobbo (14:58)
• “He gave up. No, he decided he couldn’t show me...he wanted to throttle me because I couldn’t make the rabbit ears.” – Bobbo (16:20, 16:38)
• “Music is a more powerful force than religion.” – John (18:53)
• “Simon said...bands don’t play together anymore. There’s no chemistry.” – John (20:25)
• “I think I’m fixing to cave in and start embracing country music...give it a try.” – John (21:15)
• “Is it that they’re so good, or is it the memories you’re dialing back into?” – John (23:07)
• “You took that hit and passed out...broke your glasses and had to get wheeled off in a wheelchair!” – John (25:24)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• Skynyrd vs. Zeppelin, Deep Tracks: 00:38–05:09
• Zeppelin’s Plagiarism & Song Comparisons ("Taurus"/"Stairway"): 05:09–10:25
• Personal War Stories (Rock & Radio Days): 05:38–07:16
• Eagles, Stones, Generational Bands: 11:19–13:54
• Steely Dan Discussion: 14:13–15:13
• Learning Guitar & Musical Upbringing: 15:13–18:07
• Music vs. Religion: 18:07–19:16
• Modern Music, Lost Chemistry: 19:46–21:15
• Nostalgia/Memories in Music: 22:43–23:16
• Concert Anecdotes (Chicago/Doobie Brothers, Joe Walsh): 24:07–26:58

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Tone and Language

The discussion is irreverent, honest, peppered with explicit language and self-deprecating humor. The hosts pull no punches with their opinions—delivering raw, in-the-moment reactions, and maintaining the classic “bar talk among friends” vibe that’s both inviting and revealing. There’s deep affection for music’s role as art and therapy, as well as for stories that only fanatics and insiders would know.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must for music lovers who appreciate candid opinions, music history, personal stories from the trenches, and the camaraderie of radio veterans. The dynamic between John and Bobbo delivers both the laughs and the feels—reminding us how music is deeply rooted in both culture and memory.

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Explicit Content Warning: Strong language, mature content, and unfiltered conversation throughout.

Transcript

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So bomb yes oh we got randy.

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What happened to my dear guys now.

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It'S like some kind of hybrid thing.

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Bringing that little i had my reverb.

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Back yeah i had my reverb for you so i've been having some time alone with the wife and kids being.

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Gone i know i know are you you all right seriously no now that everybody's gone like you can tell right no i'm fine okay but you seem.

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Fine i've been jamming a lot but.

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You do talk about being alone a.

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Lot but it just hit me this week like you know you have a band like skynyrd that you like you've been listening to all your life sure and this is probably one of the best songs of all time right right you know it just is you can.

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Argue it no i absolutely even for skynyrd songs they got a lot of great ones yeah gimme three steps is awesome what's your name is awesome all the hits are awesome this is this is cut above though but what's yes.

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It is but when you get into the it's just cool when you trip into some good shit that you didn't even know was there yeah you have.

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To be around a band though for a while you know it has to be an artist that you trust before you listen to the whole album and you stumble across something like this and you're like fuck this is great i.

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Think that skynyrd i think they're better than led zeppelin and i that that takes a lot for me to say.

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That hard to compare the two it's.

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Such different music i agree and there's who's who's making you choose one no one right right but but just zeppelin zeppelin zeppelin zeppelin zeppelin you know i think skynyrd might be underrated is my point i'm here i'm here today to.

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Talk about leonard skynyrd skynyrd was screwed by a plane crash because there's no telling how long they'd have lasted how how far they would have really gone right you know such good stuff and what three albums right it's incredible incredible body of work if you got the.

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Right buzz and you're listening to this shit i mean it's damn i mean were these motherfuckers that good at that age where was this shit coming from.

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Muscle shells baby have you ever heard.

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I need you yeah do you know that song that's the one that i tripped across it's right here it's the one that i tripped across that i'd never even heard before because i've always skipped it on the album and it's got a long intro so you kind of skip out of it if you're not caring but but i accidentally listened to it the other day and then on the in the hunt on the hunt but this tune dude do you know the song or do you skip.

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It i've heard it i don't skip anything i listen to whole albums but.

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Have you ever really dug into this.

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Song not really i'm aware of it.

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No it's good and needle in the spoon i didn't realize you know that.

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Wasn'T a radio hit no but it's.

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Outstanding oh my god i think they're better than the zeppelin and i'm a i'm a fucking deep deep deep zep.

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Fan here's the here's the really i think the similarity between skynyrd and zeppelin that rhythm section because john paul jones and john bonham are right on i mean they're down charlie parker's band syncopated right skynyrd does that their bass and drums are so syncopated together on everything it's the blues thing it's a blues.

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Thing it's the blues thing and if you go zep skynyrd stones yeah it's the blues thing it's the black thing it's the slave thing so we can turn this up a little bit will you i mean it's so fucking good this song's so fucking good and right now it's not even hit like if someone hadn't heard it before they're like ah whatever turn this around quiet on yourself and have a little buzz going.

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Who in that band knew anything about heroin because a lot of their lyrics deal very well with the problem of heavy drug usage.

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Maybe the pilots of the airplane i mean running a big twin out of gas in mississippi what kind of dumbass are you crazy i mean what a thing i'm a pilot all i do is stare at my gas gauges when you land you can get that you've got to have fuel to keep that running that is a.

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That'S why i probably seem desensitized to things like prince and chris cornell here's.

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The chorus listen oh baby i love what love that's the blues negro yeah.

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Yeah right down to the straight rhythm right when guys die like that and they more or less that's what they wanted to do it's so much less tragic to me than like jim croce or skyny right.

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So zeppelin you know they got sued for ripping off all these black artists in the thirties and forties a lot of their hits were a few of them complete ripoffs yeah but these guys made all their own.

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Yeah lot to be said for that and led zeppelin made some of their own that's one of a kind that nobody else could have done yeah but.

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They ripped off a lot of people's.

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Too yeah they probably thought it was in the public domain though dude i.

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Mean they're they that that taurus ripoff what song is what song am i thinking of is it stairway it's stairway i mean the whole intro riff i forget about that absolute ripoff stairway to.

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Heaven i forget about that one dj.

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Can you pull up a google taurus or youtube taurus stairway to heaven you'll see what i'm saying t a u.

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R a s.

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So that girl that fan that sent you pictures of her titties this morning yeah are you gonna go are you gonna go see her.

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Man i looked up you weren't like it's not like charles is it i ain't like jackson like jackson you know where lake jackson is yeah but it'd.

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Be so rock and roll your listener sends you pictures of her titties and you go down there and banger yeah.

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I'D have to be i don't but she works nights though so i mean details it's a it's a you're a single guy bob it's a tough hookup that's all right i've made tough hookups before man listen i invented that did.

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You back when you were doing djing every day were you a whore i.

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Lost a good woman over it really yes what'd you do i screwed every woman that i got to know for about three years really yeah did you catch anything no but i didn't catch anything but a broken heart i got.

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Into the gig too late in the game but i don't even care well yeah i'm a happily married guy married with lots of kids but i like listening to y' all stories yeah it's it's keeps me entertained oh man jd's got the best stories of anyone yeah jd's a swinging nudist freak show and he's clean jelly bean on the front.

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Side i think he used his time more wisely than any of us did.

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He a girl on the star of texas stadium yeah the security guard turned on the light just above the star he a girl at the texas motor speedway a girl on the first turn at the at the horse racetrack i.

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Mean alyson he may not want you telling these stories about it man ah.

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He'S fine he laughs now right well.

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I mean he's single anyway that's what.

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He says.

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Why does he lie about.

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It i don't know i think he's so beat down from his years with russ martin and they made so much fun of him and with him about his personal life that when you get into his personal relationships he just swells up like a kid that's been abused.

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Huh that's what it's about because he's gotta love that old she's a great she's a great she's cool she's she's awesome she came to our christmas thing yep if i get into deal like that man you're going to see me change one hundred and eighty degrees turn.

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Let'S look is it loading or is it ready i want to hear it let me see if we got the right deal can i say time passes.

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Your internet's been funny in here today.

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Man really it i think this is the let's see if this is the start do what okay this is the song they stole this is a long intro anyway this is the it's the song that they stole for stairway they had a big court case over this but dude there were like five big z pits that they had to fight.

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Off in court really yeah thieves i always thought i love them don't get me wrong was it babe i'm gonna leave you sounded a lot like the beatles the end of the abbey road.

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Album yep here it is listen i mean if you wrote that wouldn't you.

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Be a little pissed i don't know it's different enough i think it gets.

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More it's been a while since i listened to this this is taurus what's the name of the song spirit that's right what year does it say what year it was made that's it that's it that's the that's a lift dj you're a rap dude then you sample.

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Is that not a lift if the resolution at the end of the chord progression does not go back to the original minor like jimmy page does so maybe he masked it that way but you really can't copyright that progression it's just it's just a diminishing minor chord.

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You know i don't because i'm not a musician like that now is the.

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Name of this group taurus yeah spirit.

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Is it spirit or taurus because i.

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Listen to spirit on deep tracks a lot and they are badass and a lot of their stuff sounds like this.

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Is the name of the song taurus or the name of the band taurus i don't know nonetheless it's one of the other spirit taurus taurus spirit taurus.

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Would be a scary name for a bandu cause i dated a woman who was a taurus for years play that.

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In my time of dying have you ever heard the comparison of the blues track that they stole for that yeah.

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Oh yeah that's bad now i'm not enough of a blues guy to tell you who did the original cut i.

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Forgot his name but they got sued and they lost and it was like.

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Fifty years later led zeppelin lost yeah see a lot of english guys beatles included loved old black american music yeah but they never saw it with a record label on it they were all bootlegs that relatives had sent over you know actual acetates that they cut and sent over like the new rolling stones album is awesome and you being such a big zeppelin fan i can't believe you don't have that when did it come out i'm gonna buy you one like late last year we played a cut or two here on the show and i went out and bought it i had to hear it it's outstanding.

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I think pearl jam is the stones.

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Of our generation one of the greatest bands of the last thirty years no doubt yeah we used to listen to vitology over and over and over but.

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I think you know when our twenty years from now i think eddie vedder's mick jagger maybe who would be if it's not him you know you gotta.

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Give mick some credit man he's been been he's been strutting around on that stage dude since nineteen sixty four he.

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Just had a kid he's like one.

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Hundred and three yeah the kid was twenty four when it came out.

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I mean he is still slinging that to them gals is he eighty years old.

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How old is he's got to be seventy something and and mitt plays harmonica on this new album and they're doing it i mean old style blues but they play it hard like zeppelin did i think you'd love it what do.

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You think about the eagles with vince.

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Gill i'm still trying to digest that.

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I have not heard any cuts have you no so they bring in fry's son yeah deacon but then they just announce vince gill so it's gonna take two guys to replace fry yeah and.

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They'Re not good they're not talking about recording or anything this is just for live concerts although if the concerts go well i would not be surprised if they didn't cut another because don henley lacks money well and you got vince as a vocalist you got joe walsh as a vocalist now you got high pitch guy right tim schmidt god he's awesome and if deacon fry could write an appropriate song about his dad for the eagles to sing together they got another top ten album you know you.

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Think they do it for the fun.

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Of money money it can't be fun although it looks like fun man it does look like yeah when i saw him in austin in twenty fifteen they they really looked they were all smiling they didn't wear suits for that tour.

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I haven't heard don henley's been doing some tours like radio interviews i haven't heard any of them have you oh yeah yeah yeah is he just promoting or is he talking cool or is he being a dick because he's kind.

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Of a dick he was promoting his dallas show on july twenty second he booked the american airlines center for a birthday party yeah it's bigger than any venue he's ever played without the eagles right joe walsh will be there tim schmidt will be there the way it's looking so the eagles vince gill and deacon fry may be there stevie nicks is gonna be there vince gill's a.

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Singing son of a bitch dude oh.

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Man you know that's a pretty good choice my family if you're just going.

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Straight vocalist screw what what genre it's out of vince gill's nails it yeah.

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He'S badass i love the old pure perry league that he sang for vince gill and keith whitley were a couple of long haired hippies and they used to come around and follow the bluegrass circuit when my dad played mandolin for bluegrass band and we'd see him at all the festivals at lindsay and glen rose there's others there's keith whitley that's.

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A dead who still he's had he.

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Won'T die yeah he and tupac are still making money tupac's the hardest working dead man it's your business so i.

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Said i didn't want to turn this into a steely dan but for the listeners out there give him your dose sell them on it sell me on it what i don't get it i love the steely dan hits but you're a fan where the hits are probably not even your deal you're into their other it's gonzo man like gonzo journalism.

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Like hunter thompson journalism it's it's jazz rock without trying to be jazz rock they come from a jazz background but they approach it as rock performers so you get straight chorus verse chorus now it's the songs are longer is it.

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A musicians band is that what the deal it kind of is okay now.

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I understand yeah you know how steven wright was kind of a comedian for comedians yeah steely dan's kind of a band for bands to listen to that makes sense and there's their lyrics are so sarcastic and snarky and mean where.

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Did you learn to play the guitar i mean actually learn somebody gave me.

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One and i just picked it up and played with it yeah but i.

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Mean that that didn't just teach you how to play guitar who who taught.

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You how to play guitar nobody showed.

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Me anything back then you didn't have.

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Youtube videos no i was in a band when we used to write songs the guitarist used to have to sit there and play different chords and i'd say no no yeah that's it because i had no idea of chord structure or how to do it do you know it now i got an idea yeah i can play anything in kg and i got a capo but if.

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You can you read music no okay.

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But i can do any song blue.

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Fry ever wrote now can your dad.

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Read music oh he's badass he didn't.

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Teach you how to read music yeah.

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You don't know this about my dad.

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I know he's badass that's why i'm asking mandolin guitar why didn't he teach you how to read music why didn't i mean you're so good at it raw why didn't you go ahead and.

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Finish well he tried he's very impatient.

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Are you are you a no i'm ah you might be a me yeah with your dad if it would have been anybody as your dad as a.

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Nine year old no i was not a i was cool but as a.

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Fifteen year old after you had it under your belt why didn't you go ahead and let him teach you how.

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To do it right he gave up on me why he gave up no he decided he couldn't show me it was like teaching me to tie my shoes you know he liked to he wanted i could see he wanted to throttle me because i couldn't make the rabbit ears you know rabbit i was like rattle what the are you talking.

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About dad are you too far gone now to even learn i mean you're great guitar player i think you are i've heard you plenty of times i've.

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Never been a great guitar player i think you are i can i can sing and cover up my mistakes on a guitar kind of yeah no horrible you're being i've played with the guy i i had a little duet that we used to play in bars this guy is a great guitar great was great but he was just crazy couldn't work with a guy wouldn't rehearse so.

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Like when y' all are at the house do y' all ever whip your out and start jamming you and your.

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Pups totally yeah yeah every time and.

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He doesn't get mad about your technique nah okay now it's all fun because.

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He'S a technician but what happens dad and i will be sitting in the living room we're playing we're playing merle songs and paycheck songs and you know just whatever i want to sing and he he plays right along he's a picker so then my sister janice kimberly comes over and within three songs they're singing hymns and i'm out why don't.

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You swing in elvis mode cuz all.

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That jesus music sucks but you can.

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Make it good dude i can listen to elvis presley sing hymns all day.

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Ricky skaggs can make it good elvis could make it good right you're you're.

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A i just that's why he didn't teach you cuz you're such a hard headed well you know go home this.

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Tonight i hate that church music i really do old rugged ass did you.

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Grow up in the church yes when's the last time you went to church.

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But i got my diploma i graduated.

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Dude i went to church about two years ago on christmas eve the church i grew up in yeah and did the christmas eve whatever that thing is what i don't know what they call.

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It are you episcopalian yeah yeah yeah.

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That'S what i thought okay and it was awesome communion it was awesome well i mean i know what communion is but it was i forgot what they called the ceremony on christmas eve this is a special one hit all the big you know all the hits the passion all the hits oh no that's.

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Crucifixion huh h never mind but yeah.

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It was it was i mean i like got my i i caught myself getting teary eyed a few times cuz it like brought it all back i mean i wouldn't like feel it wasn't a religious thing it was like i think music is stronger than religion i.

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Really do yeah but i don't want to sing it with my sister man.

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It'S a drag i think music is a more powerful force than religion here's.

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The thing my older sister i think.

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The feelings it invokes and i love.

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My deeper vibe well you may be right about that i mean grand nash.

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I mean some of that i mean.

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There'S reasons there's stars grand nash is a great example seriously yeah no definitely definitely i was listening to holly's on pandora the other day and i'd forgotten how good just some of their throwaway songs are right on a carousel.

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The air that i forgot about that it is it was i mean if you.

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Really listen to their harmony till i was like twenty five but i mean i didn't know i i want to.

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Find some music that gets me off like this old it's got to be there i don't know why i can't find it maybe i'm being being too much of a and being too hard.

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Cool want some new music yeah like.

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This yeah you know i talked to simon cowell did you ever listen to that interview great interview and he he explained it and what was the other guy manford not manford man alan parsons alan parsons they both said the same thing it's the tracking yeah you know rihanna singing in la on a track chris brown is singing in new york on a track da da da da singing in miami on a track and then the producer collaborates at all and the vibe's not there and it should.

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Work work fine but it doesn't it.

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Does work fine and it sells records and they get hits but that deep religious grab down i'm talking about isn't there and simon said it's real simple john the bands don't play together anymore.

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That'S right how about that there's no.

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Chemistry is that that it's that simple and and parsons pretty much said the same thing what what he ran the boards on abbey road is that was.

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That right oh man abbey road dark side of the moon yeah did you.

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Do you remember in that interview with simon cowell what he said he listens to almost every night on his record player dark side of the moon yeah so these guys that are making all the hits right now are still going back to that same there's something about that old shit that don't you think.

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They'Re waiting for the next culmination of that kind of chemistry to come along.

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I think it's country music i think.

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Train is that kind of a rock.

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Band and i need to get into.

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Them because i've heard that yeah they're badass country music alabama shakes are badass yeah i don't know if they're gonna sell a million copies because nobody buys a million copies of anything anymore i.

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Think i'm fixing to cave in and start embracing country music i've been against it like you are against gospel yeah but i think i'm fixing to give it a try because i mean it's like man if if everybody's that into it maybe i need to shut the fuck up for a minute and go at it with an open mind yeah.

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I know those guys are everywhere if you look at billy bob's schedule all the way to september it's these no name not famous mickey and the motor.

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Cars but that's old i'm talking about the new guys who are the new guys i don't even know their names.

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But they're everywhere alabama kentucky line but.

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Here'S what i'm noticing is the crowd vibe and the fan vibe is that from seventy two to eighty two on the rock fans the the huge sellout the fucking the passion the passion is what i'm talking about well they care about it you see that in the country music section right now heavy duty style yeah so the shit must be pretty good that's really all i'm judging it off of i mean if so and so i don't even know any of the names but if they're fucking playing it's just lines around the goddamn.

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Venue they were crazy about billy ray cyrus for about a year and a half john yeah a billion a billion copies sold doesn't make quality art if.

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I was ever gonna kill myself i'd probably take him out before i went.

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Think about art though it's supposed to be art right you know i don't know if that's art or not but i listen to the radio with a lot of friends and i'm not the type to jump around channels i mean i'll listen to if they're driving i'll listen to whatever they got on and there is good country out there it's.

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Memories is really i don't know if it's the music so good or it's the the memories that it triggers from childhood because childhood was such a fun time it was before we had all this pressure on us and we were in the fucking grind we thought school sucked but school didn't suck and and you know riding with pop and riding with granddad and all that shit and fucking ronnie millsap i mean i've got it i was listening to it yesterday ronnie millsap's greatest fucking hits who cares.

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Just won one or two that's what.

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I want to listen to because they're both bad makes no sense so is is it that they're so good or is it the memories you're dialing back in into is that what i'm stuck in that might be what this is.

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All about millsap is so well recorded for what it is i mean he was he was way ahead of his time i really think on the countryside of the tracks he was he was recording that stuff like soul artists recorded like the stax guys recorded or i or motown right you listen to some of those old marvin gaye records and sam cooke records and ronnie millsap's got a lot of that to him right i'm not talking about singing soul music.

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It'S funny you bring that up because on my deal when i bought two albums last week i bought the old stevie wonder greatest hits and ronnie milsap greatest hits the same time so what you're saying is exactly what i'm saying closely that's subconsciously what i'm looking for that's what i'm getting my fix off.

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The way the drums are tracked but.

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I can't even listen to it drives her crazy but my kids they're singing along i took my ten year old to chicago he won't shut up about chicago really talking loves talking that's great.

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Yeah i don't know i'm so i feel so bad about i told you what happened to chicago at a concert that time you know i booed him why because we were my friends and i were in the river this is right after i met you we went down the river it's twenty two miles brazos river and we got out and i didn't tell them that for sunday i had tickets to see the doobie brothers in chicago at the starplex and so we went to the concert we were all beating beaten down man dying of exposure and drunk went to the concert well come to find out the doobie's actually open for chicago could you imagine this we couldn't at the time but the doobie brothers rocked ass and then chicago came on and we got about four songs in they started playing that color my world do you remember.

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That yeah.

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And the flute guys doing i looked around and none of my friends were having a good time and all the fat ladies have their lighters.

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Out.

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People around me are going no.

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You'Re not a no you're not you.

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You'Re not a doobies rule my friend brian goes let's go we we were on the lawn surrounded by chicago fans.

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Thing you just reminded me when you and i went to joe walsh and bad company goddamn bad company's good that he was singing his ass off that night but when you took that hit off that deal and passed out and broke your glasses and busted your nose and had to get wheeled off in.

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A wheelchair he didn't believe me did.

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He i didn't believe you true story how i mean a guy that smoked as much pot as you smoked how do you pass out on one hit.

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Dude this stuff was different.

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You really knocked yourself out what happened the whole.

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Show you and i are looking around like where's it at yeah it smelled great because where is that yeah just right after you took you took off the last you took off during bad.

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Company'S encore song halfway through the last song the last song i said i'm gonna hit it before the crowd leaves.

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You'Re out we're on the front row of this concert you're out pretty easily i think yep i'm rocking out i turn around to my left and right behind me i see the guy pass to another guy and i look at him like i do the finger thing like let me see that give me that the guy hits his buddy and points at me give that give that guy a hit so give me it so i took it cupped it you know held it down so cuz we.

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Were right around security was all over.

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Right turned around and hand it back to the guy gave it back to the guy turned back around and fell down man on the concrete broke your.

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Glasses bloody nose that was crazy how did that happen happen that's what my question is you you've been smoking pot would you call yourself a professional well.

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I mean i'm not aware of anything.

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Illegal would you call yourself a professional.

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No okay nobody ever paid me to.

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Do that we gotta go see y' all later don't fall down.