JCW ARCHIVE: Xmas Twice Removed

Podcast: The John Clay Wolfe Show

Air Date: December 13, 2025

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Overview

This episode of The John Clay Wolfe Show takes a lighthearted and candid look at the challenges, conflicts, and peculiarities that surface when families gather during the holidays. With stories from the hosts, reflections on family members best left uninvited, and a dose of listener wisdom, the Wolf Pack explores why “holiday cheer” so often means grappling with difficult relatives, clashing perspectives, and the inevitable role of alcohol in fueling drama.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Notorious Holiday Family Members

• Gigi shares stories of her late father—a quintessential “Negative Nancy”—whose sharp tongue and biting comments turned New Year’s celebrations into dramatic affairs.
  • “Ooh, I learned how to dive in the swimming pool today.”
    Dad: "Is there any water left in it?" (Gigi, 02:14)
  • “I'm gonna get an outfit.”
    Dad: "From where? Omar the tent maker?" (Gigi, 02:22)
• Host asks if body-shaming comments were ever checked:
  • Gigi notes, “You could never correct him because he was never wrong.”
    She says even marriage counselors couldn’t get through:
    “The marriage family counselor told him, ‘Mr. Toliver, just shut up.’” (Gigi, 03:14)

2. Coping with Extended Family Tensions

• 52% of people have at least one family member they’d rather avoid during the holidays (Bobo, 04:01).
  • Main sources of conflict: unresolved issues, personality clashes, values, politics, and alcohol.
• Alcohol as a catalyst:
  • “People get drunk and they say stupid stuff, they tell you how they really feel about you. Are you ready for that? No, you're not.” (Bobo, 04:28)

3. Hosts’ Personal Experiences & Family Archetypes

• John Clay Wolfe describes his family’s religious pack mentality:
  • “I’m trying to get them to where they don’t hit me so hard with that religious thing. It’s like they forget that I went through the whole thing with them. Like, I know all about it. I’m just not a devout guy, that's all.” (John Clay Wolfe, 06:42)
  • “Just that old timey language... pouring it on really, really thick, man.” (John Clay Wolfe, 07:01)
• Turley on his mother’s role as the instigator:
  • “She had an opinion about everything... she was just always in everybody’s business and yeah, it was uncomfortable as a kid.” (Turley, 05:53)

4. Humorous and Memorable Moments

• Comparisons to sitcoms and comedy:
  • Gigi reminisces about her parents’ marriage:
    “They were pure comedy. Without meaning to be.” (Gigi, 02:38)
    Relating them to Fred Sanford and Esther from Sanford and Son (Host & John Clay Wolfe, 03:26-03:32)
  • Gigi recommends Lawanda Page's (the actress who played Aunt Esther) adult comedy:
    “She is... oh my gosh, she’ll make you blush.” (Gigi, 03:45)

5. Dealing With Religion and Culture

• Religion in family get-togethers:
  • John Clay Wolfe and Gigi both describe religious differences and the sometimes overbearing efforts by family to “correct” their spiritual paths.
  • Gigi describes a mash-up of Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim influences, including stories of her uncle and Mason father debating (Gigi, 08:03-08:36).

6. Alcohol and Communication Patterns

• Family phone call avoidance after drinking hours:
  • Gigi’s mother would put the phone down when her talkative brother (after drinking) would call—missing out on important family info (Gigi, 08:47-08:50).
  • John explains avoiding calls with his mom after five, sharing the difficulties of generational communication and regrets about lost time (Host, 09:22–09:39).

7. Listener Advice

• Josh from California proposes a bold approach:
  • “You just need to like, shut those people down for like a good three weeks. From like the 20th to like the third or something.” (Josh, 10:04)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Gigi, on unfiltered family:
  • “You could never correct him because he was never wrong.” (03:09)
• Marriage counselor to her parents:
  • “Mr. Toliver, just shut up.” (03:14)
• On surviving holiday tension:
  • Bobo: “People get drunk and say stupid stuff, they tell you how they really feel about you. Are you ready for that? No, you’re not.” (04:28)
• Community wisdom:
  • Josh (Caller): “You just need to like, shut those people down for like a good three weeks... you can’t be dealing with that stuff on the regular and then all of a sudden deal with it extreme hardcore for three weeks straight.” (10:04)

Key Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Key Topic/Highlight | |-------------|---------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:50-03:50 | Gigi’s family holiday drama | Dad’s negativity, body shaming, marriage counselor quips | | 04:01-04:27 | Family conflict stats (Bobo) | 52% want to avoid someone; triggers for family fights | | 05:46-06:21 | Turley on hostile family members | Mother’s instigation and family exposé | | 06:38-07:41 | John Clay Wolfe on religious pack mentality | Overbearing religious relatives, attempts at “correction” | | 08:03-08:36 | Gigi’s multicultural family tensions | Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, secretive Masons | | 09:22-09:55 | Dealing with parental loss and regrets | Communication blocks, missing time with loved ones | | 10:04-10:39 | Caller Josh’s strategy | "Shut those people down"—protective advice for the holidays |

Tone & Language

The episode is candid, fast-paced, and layered with the humor and self-deprecation the show is known for. Stories are personal yet delivered with a comedic spin, fostering both nostalgia and camaraderie for anyone who's endured awkward family gatherings.

Final Thoughts

JCW ARCHIVE: Xmas Twice Removed brings together the hilarious, the relatable, and the sometimes bittersweet sides of family holiday interaction. It’s a comfort for listeners dreading their own “grumpy grandpa” moments and a reminder that, in the Wolf Pack and far beyond, nobody escapes holiday family drama unscathed.