513. Hollywood Undone and the Return to Comedy | Rob Schneider

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast – Episode 513: Hollywood Undone and the Return to Comedy | Rob Schneider

Introduction

In Episode 513 of "The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast," Dr. Jordan B. Peterson engages in an in-depth conversation with comedian, actor, and author Rob Schneider. The discussion delves into the transformation of Hollywood, the erosion of free speech, the impact of postmodernism, and the broader political landscape affecting American society.

Hollywood and the Shift to Identity Politics

Rob Schneider begins by critiquing the evolution of Hollywood from a celebration of artistic merit to a venue dominated by identity politics. He laments the establishment's requirement for a minimum percentage of LGBTQ+ representation and racial diversity to win accolades such as the Academy Awards.

Rob Schneider [00:24]: "They started making these decisions. You cannot win an Academy Award unless you have 40% LGBTQ, unless you have people a certain percentage of color. The crew is this."

This shift, according to Schneider, has marginalized genuine artistic commitment and humor, turning Hollywood into a machine that perpetuates exclusionary practices for financial gain.

The Importance of Free Speech

The conversation transitions to the fragile state of free speech in modern society. Peterson underscores the rarity of true free speech rights globally, emphasizing their precarious nature in the West.

Jordan Peterson [00:33]: "It's a pronounced minority of people in the world who have anything approximating the right to free speech. So the fact that we take it for granted is something like a miracle."

Schneider echoes this sentiment, highlighting how the pandemic exacerbated governmental overreach, leading to increased censorship and surveillance.

Rob Schneider [09:44]: "Our rights being taken away... the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. And if people don't stand up for it, yes, it can be taken away."

Pandemic and the Rise of the Surveillance State

Schneider discusses how the COVID-19 pandemic acted as a catalyst for the consolidation of power within tech industries and government agencies, resulting in heightened surveillance and reduced personal freedoms.

Rob Schneider [10:02]: "The machine that comes into place and that takes advantage of certain situations... is making money."

Peterson adds that such consolidation leads to a form of oligarchy, where multiple power centers vie for dominance, undermining genuine freedom.

Jordan Peterson [14:10]: "The rise of a hydra... something like a warring oligarchy."

Postmodernism and Power Dynamics

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on postmodernism's influence on contemporary thought and its alignment with Marxist principles. Peterson argues that postmodernists reject the metaphysics of freedom, viewing all interactions through the lens of power dynamics and group identity.

Jordan Peterson [34:23]: "Postmodernists believe that the metaphysics of freedom itself... there's no game but power."

Schneider concurs, noting that this ideology has infiltrated academia, leading to systemic racism and the undermining of individual liberties.

Rob Schneider [38:27]: "If you scrape and look down and you go, what is postmodernism? That's communism. That's Marxism."

Changing Political Landscape and Media Influence

The dialogue shifts to the transformation of media and its role in shaping political discourse. Schneider criticizes the legacy media and major tech companies for suppressing conservative voices, asserting that alternative platforms like podcasting have become the new bastions for free speech.

Jordan Peterson [42:35]: "None of these people were capitalized right... they were disenfranchised liberals."

Schneider highlights the unexpected success of conservative podcasters, attributing the Republicans' control over media to unforeseen grassroots movements rather than financial dominance.

Vaccine Policies and Public Health Concerns

Schneider brings a personal angle to the discussion by addressing vaccine safety, particularly concerning children. He expresses concerns over mandated vaccinations and their potential neurological impacts, advocating for parental rights and informed consent.

Rob Schneider [81:06]: "There is a real problem with our children that we have to get a handle on."

Peterson and Schneider discuss the parallels between current health policies and historical abuses, such as those witnessed in Nazi Germany, cautioning against the erosion of individual rights under the guise of public safety.

Rob Schneider [91:08]: "These very much use that [protection], safety, and usually health."

Hollywood's Decline and the Future of Comedy

Returning to Hollywood, Schneider reflects on how prioritizing political correctness over creative integrity has led to the industry's decline. He remains optimistic, believing that Hollywood's foundational ethos of resistance against overreach will facilitate a resurgence focused on genuine artistry.

Rob Schneider [44:35]: "Identity politics became more important than the actual craft itself."

Peterson concurs, emphasizing the need for a return to valuing individual merit and free expression to rejuvenate the entertainment sector.

Conclusion

The episode concludes with a call to action for preserving free speech and combating the pervasive influence of postmodernist ideology. Schneider promotes his new book, "You Can Do It," as a testament to the power of individual agency and resilience in the face of systemic challenges.

Rob Schneider [48:09]: "The system is crumbling. If this doesn't change, nothing else matters."

Peterson and Schneider reinforce the necessity of standing up for foundational American values to ensure the nation's continued prosperity and freedom.

Key Takeaways

• Transformation of Hollywood: Shift from artistic merit to identity politics has marginalized genuine creativity.

• Fragility of Free Speech: Free speech remains a rare and precarious right, vulnerable to governmental and corporate overreach.

• Impact of Postmodernism: Postmodernist ideology undermines individual liberties by emphasizing power dynamics and group identity.

• Media Influence: Legacy media suppression has been countered by the rise of alternative platforms championing free speech.

• Public Health Concerns: Mandated vaccinations raise issues of informed consent and parental rights, drawing parallels to historical abuses.

• Future of Entertainment: A return to valuing individual merit and free expression is essential for Hollywood's resurgence.

This episode offers a comprehensive critique of contemporary societal trends, emphasizing the importance of safeguarding individual freedoms and resisting ideological overreach to preserve the foundational values of Western civilization.

Transcript

[Rob Schneider]

When There was only 200 odd million people in America, they would all watch the Academy Award and happily and everyone.

[Jordan Peterson]

Was thrilled to do it.

[Rob Schneider]

And then what happened was they started making these decisions. You cannot win an Academy Award unless you have 40% LBGTQ, unless you have people a certain percentage of color. The crew is this. And so from that I think it became an easy kind of pincer move. It just kind of continued closing the door quicker.

[Jordan Peterson]

It's a pronounced minority of people in the world who have anything approximating the right to free speech. So the fact that we take it for granted is something like a miracle.

[Rob Schneider]

What happens is there becomes the machine that comes into place and that takes advantage of certain situations like this that doesn't want to go away because that machine is making money.

[Jordan Peterson]

When the king dies, chaos breaks out everywhere. It's like the rise of a hydra. Something like that seems to be occurring in the west since about 2012.

[Rob Schneider]

The system is crumbling. If this doesn't change, nothing else matters. This shit has to stop.

[Jordan Peterson]

So I had the opportunity today to sit down in Scottsdale, Arizona with Rob Schneider. And Rob's been what? Stand up comedian, a movie star, an author. He's got this new book called you can do it, entitled you can do it. So we discussed his book. We discussed, well, to some degree that the origins of comedy in Hollywood and the collapse of the Hollywood star system. We talked about the direction in which entertainment is likely to go in the near future. We. We talked about the role of Hollywood in its own demise, preferring the politically correct pathway to the pathway of genuine artistic commitment and also genuine humor. We talked about our hopes that maybe that is coming to an end. Our curiosity about what the comedians, especially the successful comedians on the center right, let's say the podcasters, for example, who, who've been spectacularly successful over the last five or six years, what they're going to turn to now in the aftermath of the Trump victory? What role are the comedians as critics going to play now that the tide is turned and there's a new king in town, so to speak. So that's going to be very interesting. We talked about, well, we talked about Rob's book, which is a testament to the power of free speech. We talked about the fact that he decided to turn in the conservative direction for a liberal relatively early on in the course of the culture war, really starting to get involved in the political and not in the typical Hollywood manner by about 2014. And we discussed why that happened and what it meant and what the consequences have been for his career and potentially for the future. So join us for that. So I've been making my way through this. You can do it. And I want to ask you some questions about what I derived from reading it. So it seems to me to be fair to say that you're part of the club of, what would you say, unwitting and surprised conservatives.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right. I mean, you characterize yourself in the book as a classic liberal. That's always how I've thought of myself. Although I would say I'm more conservative in my views than I was 10 years ago. That might be age to some degree, because people do get more conservative as.

[Rob Schneider]

They get older, but I think.

[Jordan Peterson]

So I've thought through conservatism a bit more and realized why I'm more conservative than I thought. Or maybe I realized under what conditions classic liberalism still retains its function. So anyways, you describe yourself as a classic liberal. I do.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, I think it's important to. Terms seem to be, as you well know, seem to be an imposition for people. In other words, they want to. In this tribal nature that we find ourselves in our society, people seem to group themselves and identify themselves very strongly. Whether it's liberalism speaks to young people. Whereas what I want to do is because I think words have been manipulated and have been bastardized. Bastardized. Like, you know, that's what universities are for.

[Jordan Peterson]

They're to bastardize words.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, the word Nazi has gone from someone who is a member of the National Socialist Party and someone who is a who or a neo Nazi, someone who still adheres to the policies of some things that are the National Socialists and the anti Semitism, so forth. But now it has devolved to the point you're a Nazi if you have taken up two parking spaces with your Elon Musk new truck or if you.

[Jordan Peterson]

Disagree with Joy Reid. Like you're a Nazi. Definitely. Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

So to get people over the fence, I like to just challenge them or just tell them there's no such thing as conservatives anymore.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

There's just liberals that aren't crazy.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

And they go, well, what does that mean? Well, what is traditional liberalism? And if I am traditional liberalism, I think you'd have to define it as someone who is for civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, equality. Don't judge a person by the color of their skin. It's pretty basic traditional liberalism, free speech, unfettered free speech, debate, discourse. Let the best idea rise to the surface. That's traditional liberalism, if you want to call that conservatism now. But I prefer to say we're traditional liberals that just aren't crazy.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Okay, so let's delve into that a little bit. I mean, I think one of the compelling differences or the compelling definitional features of classic liberalism is the insistence that it's the individual, that human beings should be regarded as individuals first and foremost. Right. Is that the fact of your singular individuality is the defining hallmark of your identity.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

So I agree. Okay. And I think both conservatism and progressivism can, can, what would you say, diverge from that? The progressives diverge in that they insist that group identity trumps individual identity. But the conservatives have that proclivity too. Right. Because they might prioritize, especially the more traditional conservative types, as you move farther to the right, they might prioritize religious faith or national identity. And I certainly have always believed that the primary level of analysis when you're dealing with human beings should be the individual. But one of the things that I've wrestled with in the last 10 years is maybe the realization that that only works if the bedrock of society is in place.

[Rob Schneider]

Right.

[Jordan Peterson]

So when the Scots invented liberalism, I think that's a reasonable historical proclamation, there was some unstated elements to their liberalism. And the unstated element was, well, we all share a set of presumptions that we don't have to talk about. We hold these things as self evident. Right. Like the founders of the United States. And if that's the case, and it remains the case, then we can be free and be defined as individuals.

[Rob Schneider]

Right. But nationalism does come into play and is important when the nation is attacked. When you do feel that the nation is under threat, the nationalism is important. However, the individual must always. The individualism and the rights of the individual must take precedence. Always. But I felt like the state was under attack. You did feel like some of the foundational principles of our country recently was under attack. The attack on freedom of speech, which is something that you just, you know, moving on in your 20s and 30s, you just think it's not going to be an issue in your life, that your freedom to speak your mind is going to be something. Especially someone who is in the public eye and is a comedian would think that that would be something you would be.

[Jordan Peterson]

That you'd take for granted.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah. This is something that has always been. You make the assumption and then there's always going to continue. You don't realize that it was something from 1791 in the United States and the, the citizen and the rights of man in France. It was it's 1789. It lasted for the free speech in France, lasted for four years before they started cutting off people's heads again. Well, in the United States it's lasted a long time. So it has become something that we did take for granted. So when it was attacked in relatively short order during the pandemic, you realize that this is not something that is just gonna take care of itself. It is just a piece of paper. Ultimately our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. And if people don't stand up for it, yes, it can be taken away. And when you have potential leaders like Kamala Harris and Tim Wall's paper say that the free speech, our right to free speech is a privilege, they're not a guarantee. Guaranteed.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Something attributed to people by the state. Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

I mean you can have a privilege is a driver's license. You can have. You can. Congratulations, you've passed the test. Yeah, you can drive it, but if you're. They can take your driver's license away if you drink and drive, especially if you do it several times.

[Jordan Peterson]

So if you speak and drive.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, they could take it away. So drink.

[Jordan Peterson]

I guess it is. Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

I didn't think it was something that I needed to worry about. So as a comedian, I just assumed that this was just going to continue. However, with the consolidation of powers, especially in the tech industries, with these so called liberals in mostly in Northern California, they seem to have got a grip on the culture and on communication and on power and the consolidation of that. And that became something. When they started to make decisions that affected the society at large, that was something that.

[Jordan Peterson]

So was it specifically the pandemic for you? That was the wake up call?

[Rob Schneider]

I think it was coming before that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Rob Schneider]

I think it did come before that. I think you don't realize the tentacles that really when they say it's an oligarchy, Remember Noam Chomsky says the United States is an oligarchy. It was like, ooh, no it's not. It's a constitutional republic. What does he mean? Well, he means that there are centers of power that are controlling how our government works. It's the underpinnings of it and those people don't leave. So when the pharmaceutical industry can buy off or can pay and be the largest contributor to not only a senator on the federal level or a congressman, but also on the state level, then that is power. When they can actually write the. To can write the legislation and hand it to a state legislature through the medical bar that they control, all of a sudden These freedoms that I just assumed we had are illusory and we are told what to do by this group. So that was a point to me around 2014, where I realized that there really was a problem, a fund, a fundamental problem. And then when Obama put in. Allowed to have propaganda, propaganda within the United States from government agencies in 2013.

[Jordan Peterson]

And what are you referring to there then?

[Rob Schneider]

Well, well, they had. Well, there was always. You could. The CIA and the. The. The spy agencies could always, you know, use propaganda for other countries. But then there was. Oh, yes, they had legislation passed in 2013. I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the name now. I'll come up with it. But whether that propaganda could actually happen to Americans in America. So that was. Seemed to be. That was different. I mean, it goes back to like Woodrow Wilson, where he ran on. I kept us out of war, and as soon as he got reelected, he got us into war. And then there was the propaganda that through the. Through Congress, it was approved that they could use propaganda in the United States. And so what you really had, you had, you know, the burning of Belgian babies and you had this, you know, the Hun is doing these horrible things that they weren't doing. And it was propaganda. But, you know, because you have to think about During World War I, Americans are mostly all farmers and like, Europe was way over there. They have their hogs and their pigs to deal with and their farm. They don't want to get involved in that war. So isolationism was a. Not only a defendable, but a practical foreign policy at the time. And so Woodrow Wilson wanted to change that and did very effectively, but he did it through propaganda. So you start to see. When you start to see propaganda under Obama and then you kind of see the shift. And I think Douglas Murray talks about pretty. You know, in a beautiful way, he describes how we have. When things have never been better with race, they try to convince you it's never been worse. So we had. So I noticed these things happening.

[Jordan Peterson]

See, we're. It's a funny thing.

[Rob Schneider]

It was coming together, but yeah, so it didn't coalesce till the prop. Until, okay, pandemic.

[Jordan Peterson]

There's a. There's a very old idea that you see replicated in mythological stories and fairy tales and so forth very frequently, that when the king dies, let's say that chaos breaks out everywhere. It's like the rise of a hydra, right. Serpent with multitude of heads. And something like that seems to be occurring in the West. That's accelerated since about 2012. It's maybe it's a consequence of the insistence that the patriarchal order should dissolve. Right. That's like a variant of the idea that God is dead. The central patriarchal paternal authority disappears. And the delusional presumption is that the consequence of that dissolution will be the flowering of a kind of untrammeled freedom. But the reality is the dissolution into something like a warring oligarchy where there's multiple sources of power and they're all. What would you say? They're all vying in their particular way for supremacy. And there's a totalitarian spirit that emerges out of that that's very much antithetical to anything approximating freedom.

[Rob Schneider]

What I saw was a push to say that the Western world is shit and everything we've done is garbage and that there really are no rights and that all these other people are being oppressed. And I went like, I don't see that. But what. That really was an attack by bad faith actors. So when you see this kind of coming together, and I go, how is this gonna. How is it gonna work its way out? Because it seems like pretty obvious to me, these are bad faith actors. Cause Western civilization has created wonderful things.

[Jordan Peterson]

And especially comparatively speaking.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, I mean, what is the alt. What is the.

[Jordan Peterson]

What's the actual alternative?

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, what is it? And it's not hippies traipsing through the.

[Jordan Peterson]

Woods and engaging in free love. It's not that. It's Dynasty and oligarchy and authoritarianism and terrorism.

[Rob Schneider]

And in the guise of this utopia, I mean, it's gonna be a wonderful thing. What you have now is garbage. You don't really have freedom. You have your freedom. You don't even know that you're oppressing these other people. That was the one that got me. You are in a system of oppression, and you're in an unknowing. You're unknowing participant oppressing these other people.

[Jordan Peterson]

I can thank the universities for that, definitely.

[Rob Schneider]

And so from that, I think it became an easy kind of pincer move when the pandemic came in to just kind of continue closing the door quicker. So with our rights being taken away and, you know, the Constitution and the founding fathers had a plague at the time of the. The revolution, but they didn't stop. They didn't stop trying to get rid of the Brits at the time. So we gotta. Let's call a timeout here on the revolution because we're having a smallpox epidemic. So we're gonna ask for a cessation of hostilities. No so the. As a matter of fact, the Constitution was really. It was built for problems.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right.

[Rob Schneider]

In the worst of times, there was nothing in it to suspend it, but it can be done, and quite quickly, and it will.

[Jordan Peterson]

Most people will go along with it, and most people go along, at least under some circumstances.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, yeah. And what is the percentage of those people? And who are those people? You kind of saw it. There seems to be a third of these. And that Stanley Milgram study kind of points out that there are people and you would hope that you wouldn't be one of them who would just keep, you know, the experiment. There's a guy in the other room, you know, the experiment. For some of your listeners who don't, Stanley Milgram would have somebody, an authority figure in a white coat, and he'd be asking to push a button, and there'd be somebody in another room screaming through a glass. And so keep pushing, keep pushing it, turn it up, turn it up to the point. And even to the point of death, they would. There was an astounding.65% of the people went along with it. Now, that study had some particular problems, but the majority of it, I think, still holds that people will go along if the authorities tell them to do something. And I think, if anything, the pandemic proved that, again, that how well do. Would you behave in this situation? And you saw people that behaved well and people that didn't, people that were gonna be who finally in a position to be bullies, finally in a position to crush other people. And did. I remember in Australia seeing somebody getting tackled and thrown to the ground by this brute just for the offense of not having a mask? I mean, maybe he could be asked to leave, if that's the law of the land. Maybe he can be asked to go outside, or maybe he can be provided with a mask in that particular environment. However, for him to be tackled, thrown onto the ground, and given a concussion seems to be a bit of an.

[Jordan Peterson]

Overreaction, you might say. So basically, your observation is that a variety of. There were a variety of causal factors that gave rise to what happened during the pandemic, and the pandemic crystallized it. It did, yeah. It's always there.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, the potential for society to always get to an ugly place, I would say to a place.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, as you point out in your book, it's a. It's a pronounced minority of people in the world who have anything approximating the right to free speech. Right. That's very rare. So the fact that we take it for granted is something Like a miracle. It's a foolish miracle in a way, because the fact that it's barely existed throughout human history and barely exists now attests to the difficulty of establishing a state where that's the. Where that's the what expectation and keeping it.

[Rob Schneider]

I mean, we've had 117 billion people who've been alive in the history of the world. Of those, how few were able to be granted the grace and the. And the great gift of being able to speak their mind. And that was what's so interesting about the United States and why, you know, Alexandre de Tocqueville really appreciated America was here was this. These group of farmers, basically ignorant farmers, who were able to say that their people who ran their government were fools and idiots and were able to speak their mind. I mean, that was something for somebody, for coming from France and not too far removed from Napoleon, seemed to be a unique civilization. So I think, see, it's a funny.

[Jordan Peterson]

Thing too, because it isn't only that you have the right to free speech. It's actually because you would only characterize it that way if you believed that free speech was something like a hedonic pleasure. Right. I can say whatever I want, but that underplays the importance of the principle because you have a responsibility to free speech. And the fact that you can speak freely might be desirable to you and it might even make you happy, although sometimes it wouldn't provide a living too. Yes. For you. Well, yeah, for anybody creative, which is a crucial thing to understand. Right. Creative people only have the freedom of their creative expression. That's what they have to offer. But imagine what's possible when learning doesn't get in the way of life.

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[Jordan Peterson]

Part of the. There's a huge advantage to me that you have the right to free speech because I get to hear what you think. And so if you're wrong, I can learn how things are wrong. And if you're right, then I can listen to you and not have to suffer through whatever you had to suffer through to become wise in that manner. Right. Well, I'm pointing this out because we make a big mistake when we think of free. The right to free speech as a hedonic. Right, Right.

[Rob Schneider]

That's what I was expressing.

[Jordan Peterson]

But it's way more important.

[Rob Schneider]

It is. Well, it's. It's actually. It's a tool and it's A. It really is the primary. It is the. The primary defensive weapon of our citizenry that we have. I mean, that's why it was. It is the First Amendment. They couldn't make it the second. They could have put guns first. But the founding fathers actually thought that even more than guns, the way to protect our citizenry and our republic from tyranny was unfettered.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, it's also the way to ensure that not only that society is protected from tyranny, but that it thrives. Because from a psychological perspective, there's very little difference between freedom of speech and the right to think. And thought is how you adapt to changing circumstances. And so the fact that the United States is the most dynamic economy in the world is a direct consequence of the fact that free speech rights are so well protected here. Because there can be people like Elon Musk here. Right, right. And he's. He's firing in 15 directions at the same time.

[Rob Schneider]

Right.

[Jordan Peterson]

He can do that because. Well, because. Yeah, because the right is established, and the consequence of that is that we all benefit from it.

[Rob Schneider]

We do. Well, you cannot innovate unless you have the ability.

[Jordan Peterson]

Exactly.

[Rob Schneider]

You can't create, and you can't if you're thinking about your own limitations. And that's why, you know, China doesn't have the same amount of Nobel laureates as the. As the west, and we do in.

[Jordan Peterson]

The west, because they're good at stealing ip.

[Rob Schneider]

They're very good.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yes, yes. Very good.

[Rob Schneider]

But I mean, the. That's what was so worrisome to me is that the, you know, the neocons, who. We don't really know who has been running the country. The United States government. We know it's not Biden. Yeah, we know it's not Biden from his beach chair in a very ugly beach in Delaware. If you're the President, United States, go to Florida, go to Hawaii, go to the Bahamas, don't go to your beach in Delaware. It seems a very sad beach. Very, very dreary kind of beach. The sand isn't very nice. There's not a lot of. It's mostly rocks. And then there's, you know, you know, the, that the foliage of. Of the beach, which is also very ugly.

[Jordan Peterson]

So now all the people in Delaware are very unhappy.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, they should go to Florida, as they should be. So who was running? Who was running the government? We don't know. And we have a right to know.

[Jordan Peterson]

Junior staffers educated at Ivy League universities. Yeah, well, I'm afraid that that's more true than we Might think.

[Rob Schneider]

I think we have a right to know. And it's the idea that somehow you don't and that the Democrats are like, you don't. Don't worry, we're gonna do what's best for you. We have the right. And at the same time, we're gonna fly in Haitians in the middle of the night and we're gonna just set up so that make sure that the next election cycle, Ohio will turn. It just turned Bl. Just so blatant that finally Americans had had enough. Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

Thank God.

[Rob Schneider]

And it was really. And I think what's important for the world too, because I, I do see, you know, I always thought the, the parliamentary system was great because it's so fast. I mean, you can act quickly. Like for instance, when I was making a movie in Amsterdam, people were able to complain to Parliament very quickly so that I couldn't shoot the next day in the same location. They. So it's very responsive. But the good thing about this Republic is that we really do have these safeguards that are pretty strong. Like for instance, you don't hear any Democrats today talking about expanding the Supreme Court or about abandoning the filibuster because they're no longer in power.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right, right.

[Rob Schneider]

So there's no call for that. But those are safeguards, you know, and we do have a system. It's, it is susceptible to bad faith actors for sure, especially in our culture, in the broad culture. But in our government itself, it's a pretty good system. I mean, the Supreme Court, that is a good backstop for a lot of the craziness that can be tried by our government. It is the last gasp and they do have to respond to that. And so unfortunately, since 9, 11 though, one of the things that I think have led to our potential to, to our particular problems that we've had now and our attack on our Republic is the Congress has abdicated their legislative powers and they've just given it to the President because of the Patriot Act. So basically the patriot. I mean the, the, the founding fathers had never designed our, our government to, for the president is just, you know, rule as an emperor.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Well, it's an odd thing that the worst possible consequence of a terrorist attack is that it isn't the attack itself. It's, it's, it's the reaction to the attack that makes the attack successful. Well, I mean, a lot of. Well, you know, I hate airports. I hate them. Like, I, I was unbearable to travel with with my wife for like 10 years. We finally figured out how to Work it out. But every time I went into an Airport after 9, 11, I thought, they're training everybody to accept the doctrines of a totalitarian state. You have to line up like sheep to do stupid things that mean nothing, that give you the illusion of security implemented by faceless authoritarians and then acted out by powerless minions.

[Rob Schneider]

And then you get used to it.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, that's the problem. Everybody goes through airports. And so I think that you can see the, what would you say the forefront of the authoritarian movement is in airports. And you can see that right now because now, increasingly, as you board a plane, they want to take your photo.

[Rob Schneider]

I say no to that. I know. You can refuse it so far.

[Jordan Peterson]

You can refuse. Yeah, right.

[Rob Schneider]

The real id. How is that different than the other id?

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

Was my other ID fake?

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

This real id, I have a real id. No, this is the real one. Your other one didn't count.

[Jordan Peterson]

And that private company. Clear.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

Like. Oh, I see. So you can pay to circumvent the security as long as you accept the authoritarian presumptions.

[Rob Schneider]

Right, Exactly.

[Jordan Peterson]

Terrible.

[Rob Schneider]

You had some semi. He had a semi. Mentally retarded man named Richard Reed, an Englishman who tried to put a bomb very sloppily in one of his shoes and was trying to put the wire. Because of that reason alone, we all have to take our shoes off.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Unless attack was very successful. Because, you know, how much did that cost? How much does that cost us just economically?

[Rob Schneider]

Well, the billions of dollars they put on and the machines, what happens is there becomes the machine that comes into place and that takes advantage of certain situations like this. The machine that gave the president these new powers and the Patriot act, the machine that now became part of the surveillance state, that doesn't want to go away because that machine is making money. So the machine at the security is going to keep going because that makes money for some company and they're going to keep coming. We're going to need this. We're going to need this other thing. We're going to need this enhanced. And then if you want to pay more.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right. And then it's replicated everywhere at once. I know. Siemens, I think it was Siemens put in these new scanners. Right. They're like cat, Cat scanners.

[Rob Schneider]

They're like medical scanners.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's like you can't get a medical scan, but your luggage can.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

For free. Right. Which is also pretty strange, all things considered.

[Rob Schneider]

Be very wary when somebody said, when your government says this is free.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

So you have that but you all. But as far as the Congress giving the powers to the President, neither party wants to get rid of it because they know they'll eventually have those. They want that kind of unfettered rights to just put in their laws that they want. I think it was 125the first week executive orders that Biden put in. And the Republicans don't want to get rid of it either. They don't want to get rid of the Patriot act because they won't have the same powers. So you really have an entrenched political machine in both parties that don't want to give up these powers. So you have.

[Jordan Peterson]

Maybe the Doge guys will do something about that.

[Rob Schneider]

Maybe they will.

[Jordan Peterson]

We'll see. That'll be really interesting.

[Rob Schneider]

But then you have like what happened with the after the 911 as well. This security apparatus to. Because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Because you can massively gather all Americans communications and then try to look for certain keywords, you know, by these supercomputers. It doesn't mean you should do it. So I hope that that will be a thing of the past. But there's just so much money in it. It's the same.

[Jordan Peterson]

It's also very hard to get rid of something once it's there.

[Rob Schneider]

Once it says you point.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, you have a constituency that's agitating for it desperately. Right. Because. Well, they're very dependent upon it once it's in place.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, the spy system is there. The system of surveillance. And that's an outreach of it. A very low outreach for people. The idea that there are these many people who want to take a plane down and crash them into a building. I would say that's very few. Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

Like none. It's fundamentally none. Right.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, I think.

[Jordan Peterson]

And certainly not at the level of detectability because your false positive rate is like a billion to one. That's not good. Yeah, it's not good. Everybody's a potential hijacker. It's like, no. Like almost no one is a potential hijacker. No matter who you single out, the probability that you're wrong is overwhelming. And yeah, the question is, how much damage do you do in that false pursuit of security In London, many of the buildings, there's a bit of this in New York, but many of the buildings in London have the same sort of security that airports do. People just get more and more accustomed to it.

[Rob Schneider]

They do. And that's. That is a sad. That is a sad. A sad reaction to. And in some ways I remember when these happened, I said. And a lot of people said, well, the terrorists won.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, right.

[Rob Schneider]

Because now we. That's right, exactly. I haven't heard that in a while, but it's true. Sad thing that Andrew Doyle, our good friend, journalist and comedian, was saying that during the bombing at the In England at Ariana Grande concert that they, the police or security saw a man with a backpack that was suspicious and they didn't go up to him because they were afraid it might be considered a racist. So you have another weird reaction. So you have an overreaction to this security state system that is a surveillance system that's put in place. And then you have an under reaction by people who think, well, this could be racist. And that ended up being somebody that they should have checked. So we're in a weird position in Western culture now where we're under attack from all sides at the same time.

[Jordan Peterson]

So. So let's delve into that a little bit conceptually. So one of the things that's worth pointing out with regards to the precursors for the COVID authoritarian lockdown, let's say, is what I again, what happened in the universities, because people don't understand this and it's really important because people generally look at the universities and they think that there's a battle raging in the universities about who should be allowed to speak freely. Right. That's what cancel culture is.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

That's not the battle that radically understates the significance of the actual battle. Because what is poorly understood by people, especially the moderates on the left.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

Is that the postmodernists dispensed with the idea of free speech itself. They don't believe that progressives should have the right to free speech and no one else should. They believe that the metaphysics of the idea of free speech is false. So for the typical postmodernist. So the, the Enlightenment, or maybe even the Judeo Christian assumption is that, you know, you're a sovereign authority of sorts as an individual.

[Rob Schneider]

Right.

[Jordan Peterson]

With inalienable value. And one of the consequences of that is that you have a viewpoint and that that viewpoint has intrinsic value. And so. And I'm the same sort of being. And that means that if I listen to your viewpoint, we can come to an accord with one another that might be of mutual benefit. And so exchanging our ideas is not only beneficial, it's possible that isn't what the postmodernists think. They think there is no game but power. And so no matter what I say that you made reference to this earlier, where you're the unwitting oppressor. Well, that stems logically from the tenets of postmodernism, because the postmodern insistence is that the only game in town is one of power. It doesn't matter what you say you're doing. That's completely irrelevant. You are, whether you know it or not, immersed in a power game. And the power game is defined by your. What would you call it? Intersectional privilege. Right. It's the intersection of the various group identities that give you an unearned superiority and power over other people. And when you're uttering your opinions, all you're doing is providing a post hoc justification for your privilege.

[Rob Schneider]

That's it.

[Jordan Peterson]

No other game. So the challenge that the postmodernists levied against Western culture is much deeper than arguments about who should speak freely. It's an assault on the idea of the metaphysics of freedom itself. The postmodernists believe none of that. None of it.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, what it really is, if you scrape and look down and you go, what is. What is that? What is postmodernism? You look, well, that's communism. That's Marxism. This is a totalitarian state. So it's an interesting way to get to it because they went through the education route instead of through the traditional route through the worker. It was an easier turn, and actually it was more susceptible to get to the culture and degrade Western civilization through academia than it was through the worker. Because the worker knows that if he works hard, his life's gonna be better. In a capitalist system, is it gonna be perfect? No. Is it gonna leave people out? Some people, yes, but especially the people that don't work. Yeah, yeah, those people, they'll be left out, however, in this utopian promise of the progressives is that the system is inherently evil and bad, and it's. You're a bad person for participating in it. Therefore, it needs to be deconstructed completely and to get to the better utopia, which is always leading to mass murder. But the academia was the place where you could have somebody like Kamala Harris's father. Would Stanford University have a Marxist studies. And at that time in the early 70s, I think it was considered odd, but definitely, like, inclusive. Let's include that as part of it. Not that anybody would like. They thought there was genuine ideas that we should put into Western civilization. It was completely. We'd seen that its collapse and what it was capable of doing, and at that time, what it was doing in the Soviet Union and China, that this is a system that we don't want, but we'll still have it as part of the academia.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, you talked about a kind of sleight of hand that. And I still haven't been able to puzzle this out entirely because the French post modernists were the first, the most influential thinkers who levied this challenge to the metaphysics of the West. But they did ally themselves with the Marxists, which is very strange because the first dictum of the postmodernists is that there's no uniting meta narrative, right? There's no story that unites us. There's just a plethora of hydra heads everywhere and they're all involved in power games. But despite making that claim metaphysically, they did ally themselves with the Marxists. And I don't know if the Marxism came first and the postmodernism was a rationalization for that. It's probably something like that because partly what happened in the 1970s, even in France, because there's nothing more intransigent to evidence than a French intellectual, was that the failure of the Marxist system on economic grounds and humanitarian grounds became absolutely incontrovertible in the 1970s. No one could stand up and say that's not real communism. That just became impossible, especially after Solzhenitsyn. And so what happened was the French in particular played this sleight of hand game where the axis of oppression shifted from the economic to the cultural or the racial or the sexual. Right? And that's fine because you can play an oppression game on multiple dimensions. That's what intersectionality is. And so that's how that all arose. And then I think partly the left, the liberals on the left. We talked earlier about the fact that, you know, you're a liberal who decided to be sane instead of insane. I kind of think to some degree, I've been trying to think this through. Most recently, see after the election, commentators on cnn, MSNBC and so forth woke up to the fact that the conservatives had taken over the new media. Joe Rogan being example. And so this is very comical to me for a variety of reasons. Partly because Rogan is a very weird.

[Rob Schneider]

Conservative, also because more liberal leaning than.

[Jordan Peterson]

Any more progressive, he voted for Bernie Sanders. You know, so like, but, but there's a coded to that story which is that like, I know all the main podcasters quite well and we invited the DNC to speak to us in 2017. There were eight of us. Ben Shapiro was one, Dave Rubin, me, Rogan, like a whole Brett Weinstein, a whole group of us made a formal offer to the Democrats to speak with us, no games. And we pushed that for six years. This is all documented and they all knew it. The message went out to pretty much all the Democrat congressmen and the senators. And I spoke to many of them behind the scenes. They wouldn't speak to me publicly. We never got one in seven years who would agree to speak to us. And now they're saying, well, you know, the conservatives put billions of dollars into this new media, which is of course complete bloody rubbish. Rogan's enterprise is Rogan and his producer. That's the whole cabal. Right.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, if they, if they don't make that interpretation, then the other interpretation is very damning. That all the billions of dollars, the 1.2 billion that they spend on trying to elect Kamala, that the control of Facebook, the control of the algorithm at Google, the. That the legacy media, the legacy media, abc, NBC, cbs, msnbc, the New York.

[Jordan Peterson]

Times and the universities.

[Rob Schneider]

And universities. And that that wasn't enough, that the American public rejected all of that. So if they. The only other way. Free speech triumph. The only other way to look at it is to attack. Well, it must be these well oiled billionaire conservatives, because it couldn't be us.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, which is why it's so insanely preposterous, all of that. None of these people were capitalized right. Every single person who became a notable podcaster, almost all of them were. Many of them were comedians. It was extremely funny.

[Rob Schneider]

Isn't that unbelievable?

[Jordan Peterson]

It is, it is. And we'll return to that. But also, many of them were disenfranchised liberals.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes, right.

[Jordan Peterson]

Rogan, Reuben, Me, I would say, absolutely. Brett Weinstein.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, he lived up there in the most liberal part of the world. Yeah, exactly.

[Jordan Peterson]

And taught at one of the most liberal schools.

[Rob Schneider]

And I would say Elon Musk, you put in that category too.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, well, maybe even Trump, although he's not a podcaster, obviously, neither is Musk, but. But the same sort of thing.

[Rob Schneider]

He was a conservative little. A conservative Democrat. You'd have to say he's a New Yorker.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Now, okay, so let's return to that. Now you said that, you know, you were a liberal who decided to stay sane. Okay. So now you spent a lot of time in the Hollywood milieu. And so I've got two questions for you. It's like, what do you think was the difference? What do you think the difference is between you, let's say, and your decision to remain sane and the decision that 95% of the people in Hollywood took to become insane liberals really much to their own detriment. My sense is you tell me what you think about this. I think the Hollywood liberals killed celebrity culture.

[Rob Schneider]

They did. Well, if you take a look, if you just look. That's a very good question. It's gonna take some explaining if you just take a look at the audience. And I just disregard the fact that the media has now fractured as a a fraction of what it used to be and that there's many more opportunities and more options for people. Let's just put that aside. You used to have the Academy Awards. A hundred million Americans when there was only 200 odd million people in America. They would all watch Academy Awards and.

[Jordan Peterson]

Happily everyone was thrilled to do it.

[Rob Schneider]

And we would bet and say, well, I would win. And most of the times you were right because there was a movie that clearly was the best film, whether it was patent or mad or whether it was, you know, Gandhi, you would know. And there was a power to it because they seem to be the greatest filmmakers in the world and the greatest, most artistic people, you know, because Hollywood is a very interesting thing. What happened was the greatest filmmakers.

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[Rob Schneider]

Ended up in America because there was World War I and people obviously filmmaking couldn't happen during war and World War II. So you had really the safety for creative, you know, whether it was Billy Wilder coming over here, you know, from Hungary, you had these, the greatest filmmakers, their escape and the place to create was Hollywood. And so that's what happened. But you had, so this was everything, we had it all. And then what happened was they started making these decisions even and you just. All you have to do is go back look at to a couple of years ago, the decision you cannot win an Academy Award. Unless you have 40% LBGTQ, unless you have people of a certain percentage of color, the crew is this. And here's what you never hear from a 14 year old, which is those are the people who go see more movies than anybody else. Let's go see that new movie this week. I hear it's got 20% LBGTQ trans. And the boom guy was Native American.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Right.

[Rob Schneider]

So you became this identity politics and this kind of, this other thing became more important than the actual craft itself. And that got into the bottom line. I mean, it really did. It affected people to where people don't want to.

[Jordan Peterson]

Thank God for capitalism.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, thank God for that. I mean, greed is self correcting.

[Jordan Peterson]

Seriously, it's a very reliable ethos. Greed, like it is not the highest form of morality by any stretch of the imagination, but it's predictable and it's self correcting. Right. If I know you're motivated by money, we could work together. Right. I mean, I could imagine there would be circumstances under which that might not go so well for me. But most of the time I can predict exactly what you're going to do.

[Rob Schneider]

We could find a place where we can agree on something that's beneficial to both of us.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, right. We could agree that we both want to make money.

[Rob Schneider]

But when you have a big corporation like Disney, who I did movies for and I worked for years for Disney, when we have to as parents of an 8 year old and a 12 year old, now we have to watch the movie first before we can allow our children to watch it. Just to make sure that there's not any woke nonsense, any indoctrination geared toward our children. That is really telling.

[Jordan Peterson]

When does Snow White come out?

[Rob Schneider]

Right. They delayed it for two years.

[Jordan Peterson]

I know. And it's gonna fail. Catastrophe.

[Rob Schneider]

I think so too. I think people are.

[Jordan Peterson]

I watched some of the previews. It's ugly as sin. Like the animation is. This is one of the things that's so interesting about WOKE illustration in particular. There is nothing uglier than woke illustrations. They're so talentless. It must be the fact that the people without talent rely on their political credibility to advance. Maybe because their talent alone won't do it well.

[Rob Schneider]

And it's also because they're not doing something from a creative outburst of inspiration and joy. They're doing it to prove a point or something.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, well, the postmodern types don't believe in inspiration. Right. They only believe in power. Like seriously. And so all that inspiration stuff, that's merit, you know, that's just another, what, offshoot of European imperialism.

[Rob Schneider]

That whole idea, seriously, to get rid of. Seriously, it's in the way, it's in encumbrance. So. But Hollywood was founded on not paying people. And that's why I have faith that it will come back. Hollywood was founded on avoiding paying people. For instance, when Edison had the patent, he didn't have it on the film camera, but he had it on the projector. So Edison owned the rights to the projector and he had these, the patent rights. So when early, he never actually foresaw the movie business, he really thought he was actually ahead of the movie business. He saw the film camera as something for families to do and for individuals to do. But before that happened, many, many years before that, the film business just kind of blossomed, blew up in New Jersey. And so you had these people now who are making these movies and making a. An incredible amount of money that they never could have imagined. You had 1500 seat theaters, 1500 people coming in. And this new medium, you have to understand there was. You had the only entertainment in New York City the turn of the century was newspapers, really. You had 18 daily newspapers in New York City. Maybe you had some vaudeville, but that was it. There was no tv, you know, so film coming in this new medium was just outrageous and an incredible escape for people. And so they would go and flock to these movie theaters, fill them up, and they would try to keep them there all day. They would have an organist beforehand and they would show several movies and they would sell popcorn and candy and God knows what else in there. But they also had to pay Edison his patent fee. And they didn't do that. And they didn't want to give that money. And so Patton. So Edison had this thing called Edison's goons. And Edison's goons would have to go into the movie theater and go into the place and slap them around and collect this patent money, this money that was owed to Edison. So the only reason that Hollywood was the place that the destination for the film owners and the film moguls was to get away from Edison's goons. They didn't have to pay people. So Hollywood, traditionally the foundation of Hollywood is not paying anyone or paying people who rightly deserve to be paid. And that's, that's tradition. They've kept up very well.

[Jordan Peterson]

So it's. It's strange to see the Hollywood celebrity crowd subordinate their art ethically to politics.

[Rob Schneider]

It's fear. It's fear. It's fear. And it's interesting that the And I'm glad that they didn't listen to them, because they weren't offering any ideas. I mean, I don't say that Oprah doesn't have things that she can relate to, the average American. I mean, I'm sure she. I mean, she has Nobu, the great Japanese chef at her house cooking sushi, which is, I'm sure, very expensive. She has private planes, and she has a $30 million house, which is probably $80 million now because of the inflation. Thank you, Democrats. She didn't have. She wasn't able to quantify or to say what Kamala stood for, what the Democrats were going to bring into place, that since they were already in power.

[Jordan Peterson]

Something new that was exactly the same thing that Biden and Harris had already been doing.

[Rob Schneider]

So they weren't able to really get that message across. No, you need to. And so all they could do was be fearful of what you don't want, that, you know, he's gonna become a dictator, even though he didn't the first time. So I think Americans just took a pass on that. But it was interesting to see Bruce Springsteen, and you get interesting to see Eminem and Oprah and Robert De Niro, who is just this wonderful, angry lunatic, very much coming closer to Corleone.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Rob Schneider]

He's really reimagining that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, the other thing, too, is that fundamentally, you know, and I've probably been sinful in this regard to some degree, you actually don't want to know what celebrities think politically. First of all, it's no more interesting than what anyone else thinks politically. Yes, right.

[Rob Schneider]

And they're also. They're in their bubble. I mean, Oprah doesn't leave her bubble, so she naturally thinks the people she hangs out with are better, but she doesn't know what it's like. And that's what I tried to explain. You know, when Jimmy Kimmel was crying, I said, dear Jimmy, I said in my Twitter post with 10 million people looked at, which was a lot larger than his audience. I said, it's me, Wheezy. The guy who you said several years ago, because he was unvaccinated, shouldn't be treated at the hospital, but should be left in the hospital corridor to die because he's not vaccinated. It's me. And I would say. And I went on to say that people can't. You can't relate to what 26% inflation is. There's a Jimmy Kimmel. And, you know, these other celebrities like Oprah, if prices go up, they don't have to choose between what the average American would have to do between getting gas or groceries, maybe not both this week. And so what are we gonna do? And I said that to Jimmy Kimmel and Oprah. If avocados went up to $5,000 in avocado, you would just have $5,000 guacamole. It doesn't affect you, but it really does affect Americans. And I think that it wasn't a tough choice for most people. Most people knew they're being lied to. Most people knew that at this point. And thankfully the alternate media, which apparently according to the Democrats is billions of dollars and much more powerful, these individual podcasts like Teo Vaughan and Joe Rogan.

[Jordan Peterson]

That is where Theo Vaughan, corporate mogul, you know, it's so insane.

[Rob Schneider]

It's so insane. Not the goog Google algorithm, which is 98% of the searches in the world that's suppressing conservative viewpoints. None of that matters. It's Joe Rogan.

[Jordan Peterson]

And it's so interesting too that all of this was successful despite all that suppression. Right. It wasn't just that the Democrats controlled the legacy media, let's say, and the major tech companies and the universities. They were actually using those entities to squelch, I would say, classic liberal and conservative voices. And it didn't work.

[Rob Schneider]

It didn't work.

[Jordan Peterson]

Mind boggling.

[Rob Schneider]

How do they recalibrate? Because it was easy to get angry when Trump lost, when Trump won the first time in 2016, and for everybody to be election deniers at that point and go, he is. I remember politicians saying, he is not my president. It is. He's an illegitimate president. And really undermining the transition to power at that time, which they completely forgot about four years later. So we. Where do they come now? Where can they go? And the only way that they can go is to. They're going to have to come to Jesus. They're going to have to come to the point where, yes, they do not represent. They do not understand what the average American goes through. What they understand the experience of the average American. How are they going to recalibrate? How are they going to get power again? They're going to have to come back to the Bill Clinton, you know, middle of the road, we're pro death penalty. It all depends on what the definition of the word is is. You know, whatever. We're gonna have to. We're these super predators and that's what's gonna happen. Cause it seems like they're gonna lose not just this election, they're gonna lose two Vances and If you take a look at, if you look at American history, you look at the, you know, some of the trends that seem to repeat itself. The last time we had three basic one term presidents. If you look at, well, you know, Nixon didn't intend it to be his, but he didn't finish that term. And then you had Ford and then you had Carter. So those are three that didn't finish their terms or at least one term presidents. So now you have three in a row again. You had Trump, Biden, and then Trump's not gonna be running again. So there's a chance for that. This Republican push, if they do it right and if they represent the American people more than just realign themselves again with the corporate power. And that is the question for the Republicans. Will you continue to be what is happening right now? 70% of American wealth is owned by the Democrats. We have 30%. We have now the Republican Party. And I say we because I've joined the Republican Party. We are now the party of the people. How are you going to govern? How are you going to improve these people's lives? And I believe we have good people in place and I have faith that we will be able to deliver on what is demanded from the American people.

[Jordan Peterson]

So we reiterated, a group of us again reiterated our invitation to sane Democrats, or any Democrats for that matter, to come and talk. Now, I have a question for you about that because I spent quite a lot of time, well, part of it was this invitation back in 2016 to the Democrats to talk. That never went anywhere. Although, as I said, I met many of them behind the scenes. That was always interesting. I always asked the Democrats, I met many senators and congressmen when the left goes too far. And none of them would answer that there was no cutoff. And you know, people on the progressive side, even the liberal side, aren't very good with borders and boundaries because they like the free flow of information. And there's some positive things about that. But it makes it very difficult for them to defend themselves against ideological infiltrators. And you know, the first time I interviewed rfk, I asked him when the left goes too far. And he said he didn't want to run that sort of divisive campaign. And the second time I interviewed him, all he did was talk about when the left goes too far.

[Rob Schneider]

Too far. He is someone who, who is a, who was a recipient of the illiberal liberals.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, that's for sure. And what you have is him and Dean Phillips.

[Rob Schneider]

Here's what's gonna have to yes. Here's what's gonna have to happen for the, for the Democrats when they are confronted with their mistakes, when they have been confronted with evidence of their misdoings, they're going to have to suck it up and admit it. So the American people are very forgiving people. We have a political system that unfortunately is two parties, which is one more than China. Yeah, we're not China. China's got one party. You're told in America we get two. So can we at least have two normal parties? But when the Democrats were confronted with actual evidence, thank God, Pray for Elon Musk's safety. Thank God for Elon Musk that the Twitter files came out. When the Twitter files came out with the wonderful, you know, I mean, Elon Musk, you have to say, is the leader for free speech in the world. Defending free speech in the world. There's no question of it. And when he gave them free reign, Michael Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi, to look at the Twitter files and you come to your own conclusions of it. And when they testified in Congress and they said that. Yes, that the Biden administration, within day one, was communicating behind backdoor channels to Facebook and Zuckerberg has admitted this and apologized for it at day one, that the Biden administration was colluding. The real collusion was with tech companies to silence Americans who didn't go along with the government narrative. And Bobby Kennedy was a recipient of that. In the first 36 hours, when they were confronted with that, instead of saying, we're gonna recalibrate, we are going to step back, we're gonna take, we're gonna accept this and we're going to move forward. Cuz that is not tenable for this party. Instead of doing that, what does the Democratic Party do? They attack the journalists. Yeah, they attacked the journalists. Their integrity. And then tried to undermine which. Which they couldn't do because the evidence was so blatant. So what did it end up doing? It ended up showing them that they weren't going to change, no matter what. They were going to leave kicking and screaming. They were going to be the party, not to equate them to Nazis, but they were going to be the party that asks for Paris to be blown up at the end of the war. Why? Not because it's going to help them win the war. Not because it's going to do anything to advance their cause or their beliefs or anything. Because they could destroy as much as they before.

[Jordan Peterson]

Okay, so.

[Rob Schneider]

And that's why Hitler. And that's why the general I forget his name. But the general refused to do that. Civilization, Western civilization must continue. We must go on.

[Jordan Peterson]

So I'm, I have a moral quandary about this invitation to the Democrats to talk. Well, because there's, there's two positions you could take. Right. One is find the reasonable people and, and, and, and help them make their case both within the party and to the public. And that would be predicated on the idea that it would be better to have a healthy two party system.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes, right.

[Jordan Peterson]

Where both parties were reasonable and moderate and sane and they're functioning effectively as opposed forces.

[Rob Schneider]

In good faith.

[Jordan Peterson]

In good faith, yes. But there's another viewpoint, which is tyrants have to burn before they learn. Right. And like I've seen in 10 years of talking with Democrats, I've seen very little evidence whatsoever that like all the Democrats I talked to, they didn't believe the radical left existed. For example, I don't think I talked to a single moderate Democrat who believed that there was a difference between equity and equality of opportunity. All the moderate, every single one of them. I swear this is true. They said, I say, well, equity means equality vote come. Which is what Kamala Harris said it meant.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

Which is what all the postmodernists.

[Rob Schneider]

How do we get there together.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. And their, their, their response uniformly to a, to a man and woman was they don't mean that. They just mean equality of opportunity. Well, and that's. What's his name, that crazy billionaire who insists upon being a Democrat, Jeff Bezos. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no. Bezos at least has admitted that the Washington Post has gone too far.

[Rob Schneider]

Thank you.

[Jordan Peterson]

The guy who owns the.

[Rob Schneider]

Oh, Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban who owns the Dallas Mavericks.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Mark insisted publicly on Twitter for like months that the whole idea that equity meant something different than equality of opportunity was a right wing conspiracy. And I thought, yeah, wow is right. It's like, I don't know where you've been for the last 20 years, Mark, but this is not what's being taught in the universities. And then we have that problem too. It's like, are the Democrats going to sort themselves out? Well, there's a lot of their policy that they have to abandon. All this DEI nonsense has to go. Affirmative action probably has to go because it was the root of all the DEI nonsense, or at least one of them. I mean, the whole oppressor, oppressed narrative has to vanish. There has to be a radical turn back to something like appreciation for the free market. I mean, the Democrats are going to have to turn themselves back.

[Rob Schneider]

They're going to passive electronics. Luckily they have, there's a sledgehammer that's going to help them. It's called the Trump administration because the Trump administration. When I Talked to Don Jr. One of the things we, John, the president's son, one of the things we talked about was like, you know, President Trump did not surround himself with the best people last time.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

And he said, yeah, we know that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

And also I said, I forget if he said or I said it. There's not gonna be the pressure this time because he's not gonna seek reelection in 82. At 82 years old, he's gonna be a one termer. So what does that mean? That means he's not gonna have the pressure. He's not going to have that. What is the purpose of his administration? He's going to want to get things accomplished for the American people. He is going to want to cement some sort of legacy for himself. He has the opportunity, which I could not have imagined if he even said two years ago, a year ago, the most consequential politician in American history outside Abraham Lincoln. That is an outrageous.

[Jordan Peterson]

He's the most consequential potential team.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes. Well, he does have people in place now that are going to potentially change the medical industrial complex the most that it's been since 1966. The last time there's been an upheaval in the medical, you know, in the CDC and in the medical establishment was in the, in the mid-60s. This has a chance to turn that on its head. And we must, I mean, one of the underpinnings, not just for free speech, but also for me. And I want to get back to talking about the other. Why I think a lot of people in Hollywood were silent. Yes, yes, I do want to get to that. But one of the things for me personally was the fact that over 54% and this is a 2012 statistic from the National Institutes of Health. I have a very good friend over there, Dr. David Klonoff, he's a great man. Professor of medicine at University of San Francisco. 54% of Americans children now suffer from chronic illnesses that are unheard of a few decades, few short decades ago. Now, the fact that that is not the number one story in the newspaper and is not dealt with every day or at least weekly. I mean, the fact that that is just ignored and brushed under the rug is that that is not a problem. That to me was untenable. I could not live with myself unless I was moving towards doing Something about that. And if that cost me everything, I was willing to pay that price because this is something that can no longer. Because I have young children. I mean, it's like. And my children, I try to do the best I can with them. I don't let them. I don't agree with the CDC's recommendations. I don't go along with that. And I do believe that what my research, which is the great Jimmy Dore, he said, like, they didn't want us to. Don't do your own research during the pandemic. Research? You mean reading? You don't want us to read to learn to come up with our own ideas. And so from my reading, from my experience of talking to other parents, there is a real problem with our children that we have to get a handle on. And the fact that that was squelched and the fact that the Democratic Party, who was in charge, and the Republicans too, they take as much from big pharma. We gotta get a handle on that or nothing else matters. When we have 80% of Americans. And why Bobby Kennedy, I supported him. That's why I knew his campaign was in trouble early because I was his most famous celebrity endorsement.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, that's definitely not a good thing.

[Rob Schneider]

I know. I said, bobby, you got a problem. I'm gonna feel we can do this together. But the fact that we have most of Americans are unhealthy. We're poisoned in America. We have to get that. Otherwise nothing matters. It doesn't matter if Democrats or Republicans, doesn't matter if the Democrats get back in because we won't be able to have money to pay for roads. We're not going to be able to pay for our infrastructure, for the schools. Whether the schools are woke or not, we won't have money for it. The system is crumbling. 17.5% of our GDP is now spent on health. It is. We spent five, more than five times more than Europe per person on our health in America. And we're not getting that. We're not getting good results. If this doesn't change, nothing else matters. So this is a critical time for America and we have the right people in there. We have. And Trump, to his great credit, because also, I mean, Robert Kennedy, as you know, he's a great man and he would have worked with the Democrats. Yeah, they shunned him when he called Kamala Harris, he called the campaign. They wouldn't even return his phone when he called Trump. He was on the phone with Trump that day. So you really have somebody who, for whatever reason, God Put Donald Trump as his.

[Jordan Peterson]

Because God has a sense of humor. Seriously, man.

[Rob Schneider]

God has no problem working with people who are flawed. God will work with. God has no problem with prostitutes. God will have. No. It's like this person.

[Jordan Peterson]

All the Old Testament prophets were deeply flawed, every single one of them, and.

[Rob Schneider]

Corrupted in some way morally. But this is the person that. It is a wonderful situation we find ourselves in, and it literally is. I love that the Democrats are just befuddled and they're confused and they don't know what to do because the line of attack didn't work. The new line of attack, they don't know what they can do because the other one didn't work. So what are they going to do? But in the meantime, we have an opportunity for the first time in my lifetime to actually look at the chronic disease of children, the chronic disease of people, and to try to heal it.

[Jordan Peterson]

So do you think it's useful to return to a question that I asked you previously? Is it a better strategy to let the Democrats stew in their own juices for four years and reorganize their party, or is it better strategy to find sane voices on the moderate Democrat side and highlight them like.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes, absolutely.

[Jordan Peterson]

You think that's a better strategy?

[Rob Schneider]

Well, we have to. I mean, it's a little bit further than where I'm at, but it is an outreach of where I'm at. What we have to do is, when I was out in D.C. talking to Senator Ron Johnson, I was talking to some other congressmen from Oklahoma, and they're putting legislation in place to where they're putting legislation, they're preparing legislation to get rid of this crazy lawfare. This has to stop. So in other words, if you're a senator, you're a congressman, you're nationally elected or former, whether you're President Biden who's about to leave office or vice president, if you are, if there's a lawsuit at the state level, it's automatically bumped up. The legislation is to bump it up to the federal level. So it takes it out of any potential jurisdiction. Yeah, that is extremely politicized at the state level, as we saw with President Trump in New York City. So that's important. So now, okay, so that's, that's legislation that has to happen. And that's what I told Don Jr. I tell all the Republicans. The Republicans have to wear the big boy pants. We have to stop the lawfare. We have to. I mean, Biden has. I mean, when, when the, when Trump gets in, he's gonna have to pardon Biden's son. Just. Let's just move on.

[Jordan Peterson]

And, and that's a terrible thing to have to do, but I can. Seriously.

[Rob Schneider]

It needs to happen.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Well, I think you can make a strong.

[Rob Schneider]

We have to move on. If we're going to do stuff for the American people, let's. Let's just let us really move forward.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right. So petty revenge is off the table.

[Rob Schneider]

It is.

[Jordan Peterson]

What about.

[Rob Schneider]

What is the next thing?

[Jordan Peterson]

What about those 50 people who signed. The 50 former intelligence service workers who signed the document?

[Rob Schneider]

51.

[Jordan Peterson]

51. Yeah. Who said.

[Rob Schneider]

Former intelligence officials or. Or current.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yes.

[Rob Schneider]

Security state officials who all said that this has all the earmarks of Russian propaganda. The. The laptop. And they all lied.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, they certainly did. About something very terrible. And they probably threw the election.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, I would say. I would say they definitely. It was such a close election, that's for sure.

[Jordan Peterson]

And it was so well timed. So. So what do you do with them?

[Rob Schneider]

I think you have to have a. The way you could hurt them isn't to prosecute them. The way you hurt them is you hurt their ego by taking away their. What they love is you take away their classification for secrecy. What is it called? You get the clearance. Security clearance. Security clearance. If you take away their security clearance. So they don't have access to this information anymore because even the people who are out of. They get to keep that. These people, farmers. That is like their badge of. They can go and look up stuff. So if you take that away, that'll be a spanking because I'm not as concerned about those people anymore. I'm concerned about the people that are now. We have to. We need to send a message to the people in power now, whether it's the people at the CIA and the FBI, that this shit has to stop and that if you do this, you will have to suffer some consequence. Now, that isn't to say that some of the stuff won't come out with the people who lied during the pandemic and who withheld information and who censored Americans. Some of that may come out, but I would much prefer a South African system of truth and reconciliation or a truth. And if you tell the truth, we won't convict you. There will be no trial, there'll be no charges filed against you. But you must tell the truth. Because for Fauci to lie in front of Congress and for the Justice Department does not care one way or the other about it. Just to completely ignore this. For the Justice Department, to me, the biggest sin of the Justice Department was when there were people. It is against federal law to protest in front of a Supreme Court Justice's house because obviously that is harassment from people who set the tone for our society. These are the final arbiters who say what is legal and how we gonna live our society. It is these nine individuals. They must be protected. That is why it is a lifetime appointment to avoid any potential political motivation on them. So to allow that, to allow these people to protest at the homes and for the Justice Department to just ignore that particular federal law, that was absolutely the worst thing that Merrick Garland did during.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, well it does seem reasonable to do as little tit for tat revenge as possible. It's a weird thing because you don't want to avoid the responsibility of bringing people to justice. But it is definitely a sideshow. And the problem with persecuting your political enemies is that they, you will be their political enemies in no time flat. Yeah, well it's a degenerate. That's a banana republic game.

[Rob Schneider]

Clearly it is. But now who will rise out of that? Who will be the Democrat that comes out of it? I mean, I mean you have Wilson.

[Jordan Peterson]

So you think they should be talked to?

[Rob Schneider]

Absolutely. You'll have people show up. They will be very.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, they're already lining up.

[Rob Schneider]

Well, okay. There'll be very low, lower level Democrats showing up and I think you have to put out to pasture the Democratic leadership. And I think that will, the self correction will have to happen because if they want anything, it's power. And if they want power back, they're gonna have to recalibrate, they're gonna have to. I don't think they're capable of doing any soul searching. Cause I don't think that they have that in them. I think once you become so politicized in this, it's more of a survival mechanism of drowning than it is trying to.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, but I don't think what you said will happen though. Like you see this, there's an old joke in, in the scientific field about the fact that new ideas don't win. It's just the people who held the old ideas that are no longer valid die.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jordan Peterson]

Right, right. Well and this is basically what you're pointing out is that there is a cadre of leadership, so to speak, on the Democrat side that will just be rendered irrelevant and new people who we can't even predict will rise and hopefully some of them will have a vision. There's an opportunity right now for young, yes, competent Democrats, assuming that. Well, the problem is you know, that everyone with any courage has had their voice silenced in that party. So the question is, is there anybody with courage left?

[Rob Schneider]

So. Well, so let's return, I will say to this though, the Democrats that will step up, it is the best time for Democrats because they will stand up for the, for the average American now that they have no power to actually do anything for the average American. And that is the strength of the Democratic Party. When they have no power, they stand up for the individual. When they have no individual, when they can do nothing for the individual.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, well, maybe that's partly how a two party democracy actually works, you know, is that the people who are out of power then turn to the people. Well, it could be, right?

[Rob Schneider]

I mean, it could be, yeah, it.

[Jordan Peterson]

Could easily be that the huge advantage to the system as it's set up is that power flips continually.

[Rob Schneider]

It does flip.

[Jordan Peterson]

It doesn't matter so much who's in power. It matters that power flips.

[Rob Schneider]

Traditionally, yes. However, there has been a Marxist strain in this particular Democratic Party that has been, if you, if you dig underneath what this, what this equality was, this, this equity was.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

And as Thomas Sowell says, you know, if you don't have, if you can't have, you know, the same outcomes in the same family, how are we going to do that in greater society? Of course, yeah, we're going to make that person, that's for sure. And we're going to do it because you're automatically racist. System of systemic racism. Therefore you can't be in that position of power. We have to put this person here who doesn't even know that he's been oppressed against. So what it really was and what Thomas Sowell talks about was that it's really this form of elitist and that's what the democratic strain has to get out, this form of elitism. Because what it really was, it was eugenics back a hundred years ago. These people are automatically inferior because of the color of their skin. We're more and we're superior to them. And what it was is a strange group of progressives 110 years later saying the same thing again, but different language. These people of color are automatically oppressed and you're automatically the oppressor. But it's the same, it seems to be.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, that has to do with that proclivity to think in terms of group identity.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Well, you know, in many European countries and also in Canada, the way we solve the problem of the socialists of the liberal side was to have a socialist Party. Right. So in Canada, we have the New Democratic Party. Now Trudeau has turned Canadian Liberals into people who are farther left than the Socialists. And so that's a complete bloody catastrophe.

[Rob Schneider]

It is, but it's always painted as if we're doing wonderful things.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. The bloom has gone off that rose in Canada.

[Rob Schneider]

It has.

[Jordan Peterson]

And he's going to disappoint Appear in relatively short order.

[Rob Schneider]

He did us a favor, though, because when he crushed the truckers and when he called them terrorists and when he. These are people who cared deeply about their country and wanted to peacefully protest. And the truckers who drove all the way across the country got the attention of the world. And when he crushed them, when he called them terrorists, when he. He froze their bank accounts.

[Jordan Peterson]

And bigots. And racists.

[Rob Schneider]

And bigots and racists. You have to do the whole trifecta.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. And I think white supremacists. Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

I saw Confederates. There's a flag. I know there's a flag.

[Jordan Peterson]

Do you know how many people in Canada fly the Confederate flag? It's like zero.

[Rob Schneider]

Zero people. That's one right there. That's enough. The whole group is represented by one guy who works for us who carried the flag.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

But that actually helped wake up Americans to realize that, you know, to the tyranny that we could stand up. And, and, and it really was. It was the Canadians that showed the example.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Well, it had big influence in Europe, too.

[Rob Schneider]

It did. Well, let's stand up against this.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

So in a sense, when they were crushed, they really did liberate us at their great expense. And that's what has to happen. For freedom to expand when it's contracted, there needs to be individual sacrifice.

[Jordan Peterson]

Okay, so let's turn back to Hollywood now. You don't seem to have been canceled very effectively.

[Rob Schneider]

No.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, why not? Well, how come? What. What did.

[Rob Schneider]

First of all, why my wife would disagree with that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, you're.

[Rob Schneider]

When you turn away millions of dollars, it is. It is a tempting thing to just go along with status quo. I'm not going to say I'm not corruptible, but I would say that, like.

[Jordan Peterson]

When they just weren't offered enough.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah. My price wasn't met.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah. I'm more than willing.

[Jordan Peterson]

But, I mean, you're thriving, I think. I mean, I'm not saying at all that any of this was without a cost. So why don't you walk us through that a little bit?

[Rob Schneider]

And I met these. These parents in 2012, 2013, who told me that these kids were absolutely Fine. And that they were. Their children under two were above the markers where they need to be. And then they were giving these load of vaccines all at one time. And then all of a sudden they developed neurological disorders. And for the, you know, they use the word autism. But what it really is is brain damage. There seems to be. And I know it was discredited under Andrew Wakefield, but now more and more research we've been able to say that there is a cytoclysmic reaction from in the gut bacteria that is directly related to that could affect the brain and cause brain inflammation. And so when I always thought the Chinese talked about the brain, the two brains, you have your brain here and brain there. I always thought that meant metaphorically. But no, it's an actuality. You have your brain and your, your gut. And so some children are genetically susceptible to having a problem. And we have a system that's a. It's everybody. There's just a. It's a, it's a system where everyone has to be included in it. There is no exceptions. It's a. Everybody in. And there's never been a drug, whether it's any drug ever, that's 100% safe, 100 of the time for 100 of the people. And so these were people.

[Jordan Peterson]

Except Ivermectin.

[Rob Schneider]

Except ivermectin. That's a pretty damn good one. The most used the most, the Nobel prize winning medicine horse paste as it was called. But this. So you had these parents who said this my child was fine and then he wasn't fine. And I believed them and I still believe them. And so what happened was if you try to go against that, the big pharma, they'll crush you and they will take away. And so I did, I testified, I learned as much as I could, spoke to these parents and then testified on their behalf in the state legislature in California.

[Jordan Peterson]

When was that?

[Rob Schneider]

2014. And boom, they was descended upon.

[Jordan Peterson]

Oh, so that was early.

[Rob Schneider]

So that was where I, and I met Bobby a few years. I mean remit Bobby, I knew him in New York. But then we became this stunned by the fact that these, there were these a tremendous amount of children. I mean this is, it is consequential. This isn't a minor statistic when you could say that one out of every 36. This is a statistic from the NIH and the CDC. One out of every 36 children and as much as one out of every 26 boys now has a neurological disorder that is called autism that is untenable. We can no longer continue as. I mean, I can't continue with my day knowing that information and just pretending, going to make Deuce Bigelow 4 or whatever. @ a certain point you have to go, well, who's. Why aren't we dealing with this? And then you realize the machination's at play and you realize the tentacles of Big Pharma. Forget about the Mexican cartel, that's a measly 5, 10 billion, maybe on a good year, $20 billion a year. Forget about them. The drug cartel, for that drug alone, $350 billion a year just for that, those series of drugs. And they never go evergreen. In other words, it doesn't become generic. They keep making this money every year. And so in 1986, there was this Childhood Vaccine Safety act where Congress ruled that vaccines were unavoidably unsafe. So the vaccine makers were getting sued the hell out of them, and they got tired of it. So they went to the Reagan administration, they said, hey, you gotta help us out. Well, if you don't make this, if you don't take away our liability, if you don't protect us from lawsuits, give us liability protection, we're out. And so Reagan didn't want to sign it, but he got talked into doing it. One of my dear friends, Barbara Lowe Fisher, she was one of the parents, one of the few parents who was on the. That was working with Congress at that time on that legislation. And once that legislation went through, which for the first time it gave us the vaccine adverse effects reporting system, which at least is something, at least it can say, anybody can report to this. And then there's a government marker of something, Whether it is 100% factual or not, the fact of the matter is it is indicative of something. And so there at least was a system. But instead of following through what the Congress was mandated to do under that legislation, which was check for the safety vaccines, they've never done it. They have never done it. So still to this day, there's never been whether it's a vaccine for measles or whether it's for any of the vaccines have been tested with the gold standard, which is a thousand people, thousand kids with the shot, a thousand without, and let's check the results, that's never happened. So why is that and why can't we have that? Because they don't want to know. Because they have a cash cow happening. And that cash cow is never going to end unless somebody gets in the way of it. But what's in the way of it? What's in the wake of this, we have generations of injured children. We have generations of people that have been hurt.

[Jordan Peterson]

How did you meet Kennedy?

[Rob Schneider]

Well, Kennedy was involved in this. He was as left a lefty. Remember when the Democrats were environmentalists, but for real, remember when they cared about animals and whales before, they cared about offshore wind machines that were killing whales by the dozens? Well, they cared about the environment. They cared about spaces for animals and they cared about nature. They cared about pollution. Well, this was the environment that I was. I mean, who doesn't want to join and be part of a cleaner environment for your children, for yourself? And so he was cleaning up the river in New York. And so as they need to do, they need to raise money to fight these lawsuits. And so they just need dumb celebrities like me to show up and shake a few hands and show up at a party and tell some jokes. And then you realize the work that was required to clean up the Hudson. The Hudson was a place that, like, you know, literally was so polluted that fish couldn't. Fish could not breed in it. You couldn't swim in it at your own peril. So something had to be done. And it really. It took. It wasn't industry correcting itself. It was a group of people that fought that system. And he was one of the lawyers who sued every polluter on that Hudson and eventually got to the place where that water now is. Well, is as close to pristine as you can imagine, and there's fish again, and you could swim in it. So that's a huge success story. So he automatically had my respect. And so when he got involved a little bit later than I did with the idea of a vaccine, injured children and that there was a problem.

[Jordan Peterson]

So you already regarded him as credible at that point because of the other work he had done?

[Rob Schneider]

Yes, and we needed somebody of his stature and of his brains, frankly, and his legal powers to come into our organization and see what we could do. And when I say organization, it's this mom here. It's this mom here. It's a group of. And what do they have as opposed to the pharmaceutical industries? You can say, what is their motive to continue getting hundreds of billions of dollars? What is the motives for the parents of injured children to prevent this injury from happening to other parents to prevent this misery because their kids already has damage that may be irremedial. Irremedial. And so these are people that are going, I want to stand with these people. And it isn't easy, and it wasn't without, you know, a cost. But the Cost.

[Jordan Peterson]

That was your first foray into the political. And that wasn't. Yeah, essentially, that was.

[Rob Schneider]

And then parental rights, because what they do with rights. And I remember for some whatever reason, I mean, because my dad was Jewish and he would always have these, you know, when the. When the Nazis come back, because they're going to come back in another form. They're going to come back. And when they come back, they're not going to take us alive. We're gonna. There's a gun. And you grab that gun, you're gonna go here and you're gonna. And he would have it. And I always thought that was crazy. And I. But. But then it piqued my interest because any Jew who was born in the 1930s, the indelible Mark of. Of the Holocaust was. Was something that you. You always had with you. My dad had never left him, of course, how could it, you know, this is a slaughter of relatives and blah, blah, blah. And you can. And so I went. When I went to east Germany in 1984, and I said, let me go to the Reichstag building. And at the Reichstag building there, which was in West Germany in the middle of Eastern Germany, at the Reichstag building at that time, they had all the laws that were enacted from Nazi Germany from 1934 until 1940, when the Nazis no longer felt the necessity to even pass laws or any legislation, because all the rights for the Germans had already been taken. But it was incrementally done, just like taking your shoes off at the airport, whatever. But it was incrementally done enough to the point where eventually all the rights were gone. So that really stuck with me. So there was legislation in California that was brought on by this state senator Pan, which was to force parents because there were still legal rights. So in other words, if you had a child that was injured from a vaccine because maybe genetically predisposed for an injury, or it happened and the kid became autistic, you have another kid, you don't want to risk his potential, so you should get a medical exemption. So what they wanted to do. Or you can get a philosophical exemption or a religious exemption to these mandated drugs, or your kid can't go to school. So what happens? What they wanted to do was make it more difficult for parents. So they proposed this legislation with saying, you can have that exemption, but you have to go see a doctor and the doctor has to agree to give it to you. So they put a wall up to make it difficult. And the average parent is going to go, well, I Got to go to work, I got to drive, and I got to do what's, you know, how. You know. And then pediatricians, if you weren't up to date on all the shots for every child, all up, all, they would kick you out of your pediatric practice, which was, you know, cruel. So under the. Seeing this. And then that legislation did pass, and there was a lot of the parents, and I was up there with the parents, and they were upset because they knew that this was just going to be eventually taken away. And they did. The next thing they did, the medical board and the legislation, which was written by big Pharma, was to take away the rights from the parents. So they couldn't even have a medical exemption. And they did. In California. There is no medical exemption in California if you want your kid to attend school and if his sibling had a problem with these vaccinations. So that is medical tyranny. And so at that point, I was ready for seeing how far this is gonna happen. If they could do that in the state of California, America's largest state, most populous state, then they could literally shut down the world and make you have vaccine, passports. And they did. The idea was, we are gonna keep track of all this, and you're gonna have to take it, otherwise you're not gonna be able to travel. You're free. You're free to stay in your home. You're free to.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, you know that the extermination policies in Nazi Germany started out with the medical community.

[Rob Schneider]

Yes. There was a. There was a vermin.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

We need to protect you from this vermin. So it's always under the auspices of protection, safety, and usually health.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. Right.

[Rob Schneider]

These very much use that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yes. And doctors were radically overrepresented in the Nazi party.

[Rob Schneider]

As a matter of fact, a very interesting statistic is that the. The number of PhDs, the highest percentage of PhDs in any society in the 20th century, Nazi Germany. So intelligence and degrees and elitism.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, yeah. Well, the problem is, if you're smart and you're also celebrated for being smart, you have this terrible temptation to worship your own intelligence. Right. That's literally the Luciferian spirit. Right.

[Rob Schneider]

The most.

[Jordan Peterson]

The. What is it? The highest angel in God's heavenly kingdom who goes most spectacularly wrong is Lucifer. Right. He's the bringer of light, and he's the. He's the avatar of the intellect raised to the status of object of worship. And it's absolutely the case that smart people are prone to that temptation. I kind of think that's how God balances the cosmic scales, right, is that it's really a massive advantage to be biologically blessed with high intelligence. And it's a biological phenomenon.

[Rob Schneider]

But the temptation, that's the thing is.

[Jordan Peterson]

That it comes along. It come. What it has along with it is the worst of all possible temptations and curses. Right?

[Rob Schneider]

So this is another aristocracy, the new aristocracy. The new. Instead of lords and dukes and princes and Kings, it's PhDs. It's the expert in this. Yeah, well, that's CIA expert. It's the expert in the State Department. These are now that's ground onto some.

[Jordan Peterson]

Rocky shoals in recent years. Well, this is another thing that, that I'm really curious about with regards to the renewal on the Democrat side, let's say, because I can't for the life of me see how the university, I can see how the Democrats can turn themselves around because there's a lot of.

[Rob Schneider]

Turnover in politics, but there isn't at the university.

[Jordan Peterson]

Quite the contrary. They're set up so that there is no turnover. And you know, there was reason for that. But in the big universities, all of the faculty are Democrat and a huge proportion of them are quite radically left. And it's even worse among the administration. So, like, how in the world is that possibility fixed?

[Rob Schneider]

I've thought about that. Well, what's gonna have to happen is just like capitalism and just the marketplace of ideas and the marketplace of finances and money and the results that these graduates of these clearly addled, addled universities will have is going to work its way out. It's gonna have to very much like in the late 60s and early 70s, and you remember this, there were, especially in California, there were these universities where you can get a degree just going out and sitting in the woods. So if you have a degree from 1972 from like UCLA or from Santa Cruz, University of Santa Cruz, I mean, people, you know, you would look at the resume, go, okay, well this isn't a real degree. This person, you know, is not going to be able to help our car, help us design cars.

[Jordan Peterson]

So the solution to the universities will be capitalist. Listen, it will have to be.

[Rob Schneider]

It'll have to be also, I mean, somebody's.

[Jordan Peterson]

They'll also fail economically because they're too expensive.

[Rob Schneider]

They will. And then what have to happen is that these universities are going to, I mean, I say this on stage to an audience, say, how much would you have to hate your child to send them to Yale right now, to send them to undergrad? Because, you know, the business schools are still 85% Harvard Business School is still 85% conservative. The business schools, these are people who have to actually make a living. They have to actually prove their worth in finance in an actual business sense. But the undergrads, they can. And the teachers there, they can just continue to crank out advocates for a. Particularly for an illiberal ideology that is completely partisan. That's gonna continue until that weeds its way out. I don't see that happening. Except for people are gonna have to like, if you wanna be a millionaire. Charlie Kirk was talking about that work in the trades become. I mean, God knows we are short of plumbers. You know, if you can be.

[Jordan Peterson]

If you want to be a wealthy, especially entrepreneurial plumbers.

[Rob Schneider]

Absolutely. If you can have a series of. If you can have your own business of plumbing, you could become a millionaire in short order. So working with your hands, so. And you have these degrees that I.

[Jordan Peterson]

Want also harder to replace with computers.

[Rob Schneider]

Right. You know, when you have a. That's the way I try to explain to people, my liberal friends, the few who still talk to me, you want a plumber to come in and fix. If you have, you know, literally human waste coming out of your toilet, spilling everywhere, you want a plumber and you want somebody to. You're not going to invite that guy after to stay for dinner. You're going to just do the work, please. And just please make my house livable again or this part of the house livable again. I say the same thing about Donald Trump. He's not going to come to your kid's bar mitzvah. He's not going to stay for Thanksgiving dinner. He's gonna be in charge of having enough people to take care of that problem that you have, and that's a cancer on society that we don't.

[Jordan Peterson]

You don't have to like him, but you should stay out of his way.

[Rob Schneider]

Stay out of his way and like, there is a purpose in it. And the majority of Americans seem to think that is a better road. So let these people, the good people of America have made a decision now. Let them follow through on it. And that's the particularly tough road that the Democrats have to hoe because they thought, well, even if we lose this election, we'll get the popular vote. But they didn't. So they have literally no air. So their balloon can't fly. There's no hot air that they can put into. That's workable. The hate is not gonna be. There's not enough hate in our society. Now there seems to be a sense of relief.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yes.

[Rob Schneider]

So that balloon of hate and disparaging Donald Trump is not taking off. So that is where we. That's where we're at.

[Jordan Peterson]

That's a very good place to stop. And also well timed. And I think what we'll do, by the way, for everybody who's watching and listening, if you want to join us on the Daily Wire side, I think we'll spend half an hour there talking about Rob's experiences, specifically in Hollywood and what he sees on the horizon for comedy and also for entertainment in general. So if you're inclined, join us on the Daily Wire side. This is Rob's new book. In case you missed it at the beginning, you can do it, which is a good message and also a necessary one because even though you have this remarkable cadre of people in charge on the Republican side under Trump, they're going to need help at every possible level. And, you know, your whole culture here in the United States is predicated on the idea that not only can you do it, but you should. And if you don't, then all hell will break loose. So.

[Rob Schneider]

Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

So very good talking to you. Yeah.

[Rob Schneider]

Thank you.

[Jordan Peterson]

Thanks again, everybody, for watching and listening.