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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

Episode 572: Navigating Education, Ideology, and Children | Answer the Call

Date: August 18, 2025
Host: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson
Guest Host: Mikayla Peterson

Overview

In this “Answer the Call” episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and his daughter Mikayla field questions from listeners about navigating education in a climate increasingly shaped by ideological pressures. Topics range from the merits and pitfalls of homeschooling, the challenges within traditional schooling systems, fortifying children against ideological indoctrination, the nature of critical thinking and moral clarity, and how parents and educators can foster intellectual growth. The discussion is lively, candid, and rich with practical suggestions for parents and educators seeking to help children thrive in a complex world.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Is Modern K12 Education "Child Warehousing"? (00:00–02:30)

• Peterson begins by expressing the view that much of the Western K12 system functions more as child warehousing than education.
  • “Is it education or is it child warehousing? The answer is mostly it's child warehousing... Is it irredeemably corrupt? Likely.” (00:04, Jordan Peterson)
• Explains that many teachers lack a deep understanding or personal passion for the material, undermining their ability to motivate students.

2. Homeschooling vs. Traditional Schooling & Socialization (01:41–07:45)

Caller: Joshua's Father (Florida)

• Joshua’s father seeks a “steel-man” case for traditional schooling, given their positive homeschooling experience.
• Peterson emphasizes the need for socialization opportunities but refutes the idea that school is the only route.
  • “Your role as a parent right from the beginning is to help your child, encourage your child to become maximally socially desirable… the sort of person that other people rely on and open doors to.” (03:02, Jordan Peterson)
• Feels Joshua’s father is handling things well, advocating gradually transferring organizing responsibility to the child as he matures.
  • “The amount of responsibility you want to turn over to your kids is all that they can handle, but no more than that. And that's the best compliment you can give them: because basically what you're saying is, look kid, you can do this. And because you can, you should.” (06:38, Jordan Peterson)
• Both Petersons share personal memories of disengagement and frustration within traditional school environments.
• Mikayla: “It takes, what, two hours a day to… homeschool kids to teach them. It's mostly… childcare set up under an education facade.” (08:59, Mikayla Peterson)

3. The Dilemma of Corrupted Institutions and the Conservative Conundrum (11:02–15:57)

• Peterson addresses a question on not abandoning educational institutions versus their deep flaws.
  • “That's the conservative conundrum, I suppose… it's a mistake to destroy all intermediary institutions… But what do you do when institutions have become corrupt?” (11:22, Jordan Peterson)
• Examples given: Acton Academy (innovative U.S. model), Katherine Burblesing’s school in the UK.
  • “Her school is an absolute bloody miracle. The children there are thriving… at a rate I've just never seen anywhere, including high-level graduate seminars.” (12:26, Jordan Peterson)
• Warns against “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”—calls for discernment, particularly from parents.
• Rise of A.I. tutors and technology discussed as an unknown but promising force in individualized education.

4. Spotting Ideology in Schools & Evaluating Educational Quality (16:32–17:20)

• Mikayla shares practical strategies for parents to evaluate schools:
  • “Take a tour… look at the posters, look at the art... If there's equity anywhere, then you know that the school's a problem… It'll be plastered everywhere because they don't keep it a secret because they're proud of it.” (16:36, Mikayla Peterson)

5. Raising Kids with Critical Thinking & Moral Clarity in Dominant Woke Cultures (18:38–27:10)

Caller: Oaxana (California)

• Oaxana, a Russian immigrant, asks how to cultivate critical thinking and moral clarity in her sons amidst a dominant ideological local culture.
  • “I'm worried that they will rebel against our family beliefs… I want them to become intellectually open and morally grounded as adults.” (18:52, Oaxana)
• Peterson advocates for broad, honest education in the full spectrum of political and philosophical thought, drawing from his own youth and influences.
  • “Really what you're trying to do is to teach them the axioms of political thought and to assess them critically… introduce them to the entire range of political thought from, you know, libertarian to Marxist.” (20:16, Jordan Peterson)
  • Tells a personal story of being given both Ayn Rand and leftist literature by a socialist family friend, for balance.
• Suggests using engaging educational materials like the "Tuttle Twins" (endorsed by Mikayla).
• Stresses importance of teaching children to “steel-man” opposing arguments.
  • “The way you fortify your children against ideology is to educate them… provide them with the tradition and by teaching them to think critically.” (24:26, Jordan Peterson)
• Mikayla shares how her upbringing fostered independent research and critical thinking, making her resilient to the ideologies prevalent during her university years.

6. Teaching Art in an Age of Disengagement & Why Art Matters (28:31–40:26)

Caller: Amy (Connecticut, Art Educator)

• Amy asks how to address student disengagement and elevate the purpose of art education.
• Peterson laments that many teachers lack understanding of the true purpose of their subject.
  • “They have no idea what literature is for. They have no idea what poetry is for… they think art is for decoration. Well, you're not going to be able to motivate and teach people if that's how shallow your knowledge is.” (33:41, Jordan Peterson)
• Stresses articulating the value of art as the “realm of the imagination,” a path to beauty and upward striving.
  • “Human beings are inclined to work toward a goal when they see value in the goal. That’s how our nervous systems are set up.” (30:57, Jordan Peterson)
• Argues that great teaching is about dramatizing passionate engagement—“the motivational frame."
  • “A great teacher acts out a moral commitment to the topic. A huge part of what you're doing as a teacher isn't imparting information—books do that more effectively. What you’re doing… is setting the motivational frame and dramatizing the process of being engaged with the material.” (37:07, Jordan Peterson)
  • Summarizes the philosophical dimension: “Phenomenon means… to shine forth. Some will grip you and some won't. What they're doing when they grip you is shining forth. That's the world manifesting itself in accordance with your interest.” (38:20, Jordan Peterson)

7. Can Youth Experiences Boost Intelligence? On IQ, Character, and Human Potential (41:31–54:14)

Caller: Carl (Alberta; Scout Leader & Father)

• Carl asks how to design youth experiences that develop intelligence and growth.
• Peterson explains the current scientific consensus: IQ is remarkably hard to increase, though it’s easy to suppress (malnutrition, neglect, etc.).
  • “People have tried for a very long time… but there's no evidence that I know of that you can reliably increase IQ with time.” (43:14, Jordan Peterson)
  • Shares the U.S. "Head Start" example, where early gains vanish by Grade 5–6.
• Discusses how character, not just IQ, should be the target.
  • “It might easily mean their character is developing and they're becoming wiser… IQ is most correlated with how fast you learn something. You can learn something slower and still learn it. What you're hoping for when you're educating people is more character development on the moral [level].” (52:12, Jordan Peterson)
• Highlights that intelligence and moral character are independent; focus should be on holistic human development.
  • “There is no correlation between morality and intelligence… Intelligence isn’t a virtue, it’s a responsibility—it’s a gift, and if misused, brings immense cost.” (54:14, Jordan Peterson)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The amount of responsibility you want to turn over to your kids is all that they can handle, but no more than that.” (06:38, Jordan Peterson)
• “School doesn’t necessarily help you transition to the real world either. It might make it a lot harder.” (07:37, Mikayla Peterson)
• “The problem is, is that when you’re more intelligent, say by nature, you investigate things and discover more complexity… If you’re curious enough, there’s no limited environment—you rely on your own imagination.” (43:10, Jordan Peterson)
• “There are virtue[s]. First of all, intelligence isn’t a virtue, it’s a responsibility. It’s a gift, and it’s a gift that, if misused, brings immense cost.” (54:14, Jordan Peterson)

Key Timestamps

• 00:00–02:30: Peterson on “child warehousing” & systemic educational failure.
• 01:41–07:45: Homeschooling vs. traditional school; socialization and responsibilities.
• 11:02–15:57: Should we abandon corrupt institutions? The importance of discernment & innovation, A.I. tutors.
• 16:32–17:20: How to spot ideological capture in schools.
• 18:38–27:10: Raising kids with critical thinking and moral clarity amid dominant ideologies.
• 28:31–40:26: Engaging students through art education and passionate, purpose-driven teaching.
• 41:31–54:14: The limits of IQ malleability, the role of character, and how adults can best guide youth.

Tone and Style

The episode is conversational, frank, occasionally humorous, but always serious about the stakes for children, families, and culture. Peterson draws on personal anecdotes and deep experience, while Mikayla brings a pragmatic, personable approach as co-host.

Conclusion

Dr. Peterson and Mikayla offer a nuanced, often skeptical examination of modern schooling, ultimately urging parents and educators to take greater responsibility for children's holistic development—academic, social, and moral. The solution isn’t abandoning all institutions, but becoming discerning chooser and more active guides. The focus must shift from mere academic advancement to cultivating resilient, thoughtful, and morally grounded adults.

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