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I'm Josh Hammer and this is the Josh Hammer Show. You're getting excited to welcome on my colleague at the David Horror Stream Center, Jamie Glazoff, who is the editor of frontpagemagazine.com, also the author of his brand new book, United in the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas, which I hold in my hands. We're getting excited to welcome in Jamie a little bit later for a lengthy and hopefully highly engaging substantive conversation about what I believe to be a very important book that he has written and is essentially a book which will be the subject of today's opening monologue as well. It is a book essentially about the long history of leftist violence. And the thesis of this book, which is something that I've been saying in my own capacity on this show and elsewhere for many years now, is that we speak of leftist violence. We're actually being somewhat redundant because to be a leftist is to have a violent streak. This goes at least as far back as the modern, quote, unquote, left, right, divide. And we're speaking here of the late 1700s, the late 18th century, perhaps in particular, what was happening in the late 18th century? Well, a lot was happening. America was being born, that's for starters. But over on the other side of the pond, in the old world, not in the new world, there was the horrific, barbaric French Revolution happening in the streets of Paris and elsewhere. Elsewhere in revolutionary France, you had Robespierre and the Jacobins who were killing people in the name of liberty, egalitate and fraternity, liberty, equality and brotherhood. And it was ending in violence. The heads were rolling in the streets of Paris, the storming of the Bastille, the execution of the monarch, it all was dripping in blood. And this is around the same time that Edmund Burke, the godfather of modern intellectual conservatism, was writing and speaking at great length on what it meant to be conservative right across the pond over in England. So a lot of this left right divide goes back to the late 18th century. And it's only in that context that you can understand the rise of the modern left as we understand today. But the modern left, I really trace it back to Karl Marx himself. The origins of modern leftism really are not synonymous with, but place a huge emphasis, I would argue, on Karl Marx and his colleague Friedrich Engels and all that they wrote in the mid 19th century. Communism and the Communist Manifesto was just the French Revolution taken to a whole nother level. It was this notion of utopianism, of trying to create heaven here on earth. The problem with trying to create heaven here on earth and with trying to implement utopian schemes outside of the eternal, outside of the Gandhi of the transcendental, trying to bring it here. The problem, among other things, is that as Joseph Stalin's right hand man infamously said in the context of the holodomor of the Kremlin induced famine of Ukraine in the 19th century 1930s, as he infamously said, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. People must die. And this is a sentiment that revolutionaries of all stripes have held for a very, very long time. Look, Thomas Jefferson did a heck of a lot of good. No doubt about that. No doubt about that. He wrote the Declaration of Independence, he was instrumental in the early years of the republic in as president, he oversaw the Louisiana Purchase, probably his foremost bit of legacy. He defeated the Barbary pirates in the first Barbary War there. But Jefferson was himself besotted with a lot of revolutionary fervor. And he has this one line to paraphrase it, not quote overband to paraphrase. He said that the tree of liberty must be replenished every 20 years with the blood of tyrants. One could easily look at this line and think that he is also calling for some sort of violence or something approximating violence there. We're not going to get too hyper literalist here when it comes to interpreting Jefferson. The notion is that when you have revolution, when you have utopianism, there is, there's going to be violence. And the modern left here in the United States has this unfortunately in spades. How do I know? Because the polls bear it out. Because we see over and over and over again that a shockingly high percentage of Folks who identify as being leftists or democrats or progressives or whatever word they want to use there, they not only have a high tolerance or threshold for accepting political violence, they oftentimes are clamorous in their support of it. They're going out of their way to tell pollsters that they want it to happen. They support political violence, or at least accept that it is possible that political violence might be necessary to shout down someone with an opposing viewpoint. This is the entire notion of the postmodern leftist conception, this paradigm, that words are violence. And sometimes they argue, actually the converse of that, the inverse, that actually they sometimes say that violence is just words. Right? This is what they said actually, in the context of the Hamas pogrom on October 7, 2023. They said that the Hamas violence was actually just a people liberating themselves or breaking through the shackles of apartheid or whatever kind of fanciful leftist prose they would use to describe horrific, monstrous acts as the butchering of babies and the murderer of Holocaust survivors and the mass raping and pillaging there. So violence are words, Words are violence. Break a few eggs to make an omelette there, it all kind of comes home. It all kind of makes sense. And this, I suspect, our guest today, Jimmy Glaslov, will. Will argue as. As he does argue in his book United Hate, is one of the reasons why this notion of a red green alliance makes so much sense. Another theme that we touch here on the show is the nature of this red green alliance. It is the philosophical anchor of the modern left. This alliance between the Marxists on the one hand and the Islamists on the other hand. A people who want to abolish free market capitalism, abolish private property, free enterprise, who want to implement a command and control economy straight out of 1950s Moscow or 1970s Havana for that matter. The folks who want to just get rid of private property. Private property, by the way, being one of the many innovations of the Bible. Private property is all over the Hebrew Bible. I would argue it's literally, actually, to abolish private property by force of the state is actually a violation, I would argue, of multiple of the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet. There's multiple commandments implicated by such things. So these. The greater contrast that we're really setting up here is that you have this grand civilizational clash. You have this grand civilizational clash between those who seek to overthrow those who are fanciful and idealistic and who reject the notion of utopia up there because they want to bring Utopia down here of those who believe that only they have the best ideas and, and no one around them is worth engaging with or dialoguing with or asking questions of trying to learn, trying ultimately to arrive at the truth. Why would you try to arrive at the truth if you were convinced that you alone and those who think like you are the truth? If you have so siloed yourself off in an ideological echo chamber that there is no point in even conversing with anyone who doesn't look, think, sound or talk like you? This is the case for so many on the left today. And this really is the reason why this red green alliance that we are dealing with here in the United States, encapsulated by Zormandani, this is the United States, this is in Western Europe. It's really increasingly all throughout the Western world. This is why this alliance is so dangerous. Because with this level of conceit and arrogance and a refusal to recognize that those who do not agree with them can actually be talked to or reasoned with, if you accept that your opponent is simply a Nazi, then bad things are going to flow from the premise unless the opponent actually is a Nazi. But generally speaking, that is typically not the case. Sometimes it is the case. And this actually is one of the reasons as well that we focus on the show so much about all the rot that is currently happening on the American right when it comes to a lot of these reprobates of the Tucker Carlson's in the world and people like him there who are trying to take the American right in this sort of direction in a hyper authoritarian, hyper racist, anti semitic, et cetera direction, it's wrong. It's terrible. And one of the reasons that it is wrong and it is terrible is because, and this is the reason that we talk about as much as we do here on the show, because our actual enemy, when it comes to the heart and soul, not just of America, but frankly the heart and soul of civilization at large, because we ultimately care about preserving civilization against the force of barbarism. Our ultimate goal here is to defeat the force of barbarism from within and without, from beyond. But the red green alliance is the force of barbarism here on the home front. The American left is an existential threat to all that we hold dear in this country. The left more generally in the Western tradition, is an existential threat to all that the Western tradition entails. But here's the point, folks. The point is that only a right, only a conservative movement that knows what it is, that knows what it stands for that knows that it is downstream of thousands of years of biblical inheritance, of biblical history, of values and morals and ethics. Only a movement like this is capable of actually standing up to these bullies, of actually taking it to the Red Green Alliance. I've actually explained to them why they are so catastrophically misguided. Because if the Right is going to fall for some of these same nostrums and to be besotted by some of these same dalliances and dreams of utopia and perhaps even some of these same God forbid fixations or flirtations with violence, that's not going to end well for the Right. And if things don't end well for the right, it's not going to end well for the country. Because the Left proved a very, very, very long time ago that they are not here to save this country. They're here to destroy it. Much as they have done throughout the history of the Left. From the French Revolution onwards, everywhere the Left rises, they destroy. The only relevant question right now is can they be tamed? And in order to be tamed, it must come not from their horseshoe mirror on the quote unquote right, not from a quote unquote right. That shares an awful lot in common, frankly, if you look a little deeper with the left, the only way this totalitarian subjugationist left can be confronted and defeated is an intellectually vibrant right. So that's what we try to do here on the show, folks. Zooming out. That's what we do on a day in day basis. We're trying to establish what the Right is and why that right alone can be in a position to defeat the Left, the Red Green alliance, and this horrific monstrosity, this Frankenstein that we're up against, folks. So really, really, no one better to bring on to discuss all of this than my friend, my colleague Jamie Glaslov, the editor of Front Page magazine, author of this brand new book, unite and hate the Left's romance with tyranny, terror and Hamas. So on the other side of a short commercial break, Jamie Glass of joins us for a long conversation. Folks, you don't want to miss this. Stay with us.
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welcome back. So as previously mentioned, we have a great guest today to join us to discuss all of what we are discussing and more. And he is none other than the one only Jamie Glaslov. So Jimmy Glaslov is the editor of Front Page Magazine, which is the online journal for the David Horus Freeman center, where he is my colleague. I am honored to be a Shumlin Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Jimmy is also the host of the Glazov Gang, an online show that we highly encourage you to check out, most importantly for today's purposes. He is the author of the brand new book United in the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas, which I currently have in my hand right here. Jamie, thank you for joining us, my friend. We really do appreciate it. I've had a chance to spend some time with this book. I always wish that I had more time. That's kind of just the nature of being an adult, I suppose there. And the themes that you write here at length about are many of the themes that we talk about on this show, mainly the themes that I've also been talking about. No surprise that you and I are like, mind on a lot of these issues. The book is essentially, I don't want to hit the words out of your mouth, but you look at various different elements of how the left is obsessed with violence, with violence, with tyranny, with subjugation, with really all that is the antithesis of modern, Western and certainly American conceptions of freedom. We're talking here about communism, Islamism, Marxism, all these various forms of jackboots and tyranny. And I wanted just to kind of set the scene for us before we proceed further in conversation here, kind of explain that thesis at greater length, if you will.
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Well, thank you so much, Josh. What an honor to be here. Well, Josh, this is the issue, I think, of history. I think it begins with, you know, on some levels, Cain's murder of Abel, the pretension to equality and the violence that comes with it. I think to set the stage, I just want to say that my parents were dissidents in the Soviet Union. We escaped when I was a little kid and the leftist idea had built quite an atrocity over there. As Reagan summarized Gulag archipelago in one sentence, or in a few words, he called it the Evil Empire, the Soviet Union. Growing up in America and in Canada, I began to notice a certain species of people that were called leftists from a young age and they were telling my parents and me and our family that we came from a great place and where we were. The United States was a horrible place. And I hated these people. I don't think I need to go into detail of what the Gulag was and is, but I began to study them and how they think. And in my book, United in Hate, I show the romance with communism and what we see right now in terms of October 7, in terms of Iran, the way that the left cheers this on, the way that it cheers on our enemies, whether these are jihadists or communists, and they live through this violence. And I would set the stage by saying this, that in United in Hate I document the euphoria and ecstasy that leftists had on 9 11. And I remember they were so depressed after the fall of the Soviet Union, walking around aimlessly, they kind of had the air taken out of them. And then all of a sudden they saw ground zero and they were inspired again. And I mean, this is a sick group of people. And it's hard to know sometimes where to begin because when you dig deep and take the layers off and more layers off, you begin to see a very dark and frightening death wish there. It's suicide by cop, Josh, if we think about suicide by cop, just that one guy that goes out and wants the cops to shoot him. Imagine if that was a whole national movement, a whole global movement. But they don't just want to take themselves out, they want to take the whole world down with it. And why do they want to do that? Well, just to begin the discussion, I would say this. As believers, I'm a Christian, my Jewish brothers and sisters, we share something, that perfection comes from up there. We are saying mea culpa. We repent for our sins and we hope that God forgives us and we want to get to heaven. And those themes. The leftist believes that he is the Savior. Leftists are self appointed redeemers. They will save the earth, they will create a perfect planet. But in order to do that, Josh, as you well know, there needs to be ground zero because they need to destroy the old earth and build their new utopia on the ashes. Every attempt to build this utopia in history, as we know, leads to hell. But guess who helps them along the way? If the leftist wants to destroy his host society, if the leftist wants to destroy this white supremacist, this patriarchal colonialist, you know, all this stuff, the homophobic Islamophobic of exploitation and you know, this whole thing that they think about the west, if they want to destroy it and build their utopia. Guess what might help them? The adversaries, the totalitarian adversaries that also want to destroy America, that also want to destroy the earth and build a utopia, Sharia building their Sharia utopia, the left building its classless utopia. They are united in not love, but hate. And so I'll begin in that way. Some of it is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But they actually share a lot. From first sight, it seems like they don't share much, but the closer you look, they hate the individual, they hate the Judeo Christian tradition, they hate freedom, and they got a lot in common. So when they cried that Stalin died, as I document in my book, when they cried that bin Laden died, when they're crying when Trump and Bibi take out these mullahs and these torturers of the Iranian people, it totally makes sense.
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And the way you frame it in terms of the different conceptions of utopia, whether utopia only happens in the eternal and transcendental, on the one hand, which is the belief of the Bible of Jews and Christians alike, or on the other hand, this notion that utopia can be constructed here in this realm, in this mortal coil. You're touching on something very profound. And to me, this really kind of is the very core of what distinguishes what we might call folks on the right from those on the left. And Jamie, for our render time here in this segment, before we just go to a quick commercial break and bring you back on for much more, I wanted to explore this question as to this notion as the left, as you're defining it, as being essentially inextricable from violence, which is really kind of broadly my view as well. I personally start that narrative with the French Revolution and Robespierre and the Reign of Terror or the Guillotine. To me, that's kind of the around that time in history, you have the French Revolution, you have Edmund Burke running across the English Channel over in the uk. To me, that's kind of the origins of our modern left right divide. I'm curious, though, if you would go back even further. You mentioned Cain and Abel here. So leftism, as you're defining it here, does it go back even further than the French Revolution does go back to biblical times?
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Well, absolutely. And we share a lot in common as Christians and Jews in terms of how we see the spiritual battle. We differ slightly on our concept of Satan, etc. But as a Christian, I see this going all the way back to Satan's fall. And this is a spiritual war because as believers, for instance, as Christians, we believe that Jesus blood redeems the earth. Our Jewish brothers and sisters also very much believe in a kind of. I mean, you would be more of an expert than me on this, but there's suffering involved on this earth and there's a certain redemption, obviously that comes from above. This is a spiritual battle. There's a reason why Mao wrote how important it is to kill millions of people because the leftist believes that it's human blood that redeems the earth. The redemption doesn't come from above. It's a spiritual war. They are gods and they believe that they must disinfect and sterilize the earth by killing human beings. And it makes total sense when the jihadist blows himself up and we see a real suicidal movement on the left in many respects. So absolutely, Josh, I see this as a spiritual war that goes all the way back. And Cain's murder of Abel on many realms can be seen as the first communist revolution. It's the pretension to equality. And where does that lead? Murder.
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Profound stuff. Very pro. I honestly had never had that thought in my entire life before, so I'm glad you introduced it to me. Cain, Abel. The next time, Jamie, that we go through our annual reading of the Torah beginning in Genesis, I guess it'll be around this October, so I am going to reread it very much with that thought in mind, folks. Jamie Glasov is the editor of Front Page magazine where he is my colleague on the David Horse Frame center is also the author of the brand new book which we've been discussing here, united in Hate, the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas. We're going to a quick commercial break though. Stay with us. We'll be right back with more on the other side with Jamie Glass of. You're not going to want to miss this, I promise.
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Welcome back. And we continue our conversation with Jamie Glazlov, my colleague at the David Horace Frame center where he is editor of Front Page magazines, also the author of the brand new book which I hold in my hand, United in The less romance with tyranny, terror and Hamas, which we've been discussing. You can purchase this book anywhere that books are available for purchase. So, Jamie, I want to explore this concept of the Red Green alliance, which is this phrase that is now often used. It's very much in your book as well. It refers to this alliance between Marxists and Islamists. Really, Zorm Amdani in New York City is kind of the singular encapsulation of this phenomenon. He's making that the one guy who perfectly embodies this, you might say Obama before him. That's a little tongue in cheek, of course. But really, Mamzani is kind of the guy who kind of personifies this deeply unholy alliance between the Reds and the Greens, the Marxists and the Islamists. Now, I have usually thought of this as simply being a tactical alliance of convenience, where you have the Marx and Islamists that don't necessarily share a whole lot in common. There are utopians of various stripes. That's true. But thinking about some of the particulars there, I mean, I think back to when Linda Sarsour was the leader of the women march many years ago there. And she was. She's a Sharia law apologist. And I felt like saying to her, you know, what does Sharia law say about women? You're the leader of the women's march there. So I've always thought this as kind of being a bizarre alliance of convenience where they just have a shared enemy, that shared enemy being us, Jews and Christians, biblical civilization, the West, America. But I think you're making a slightly, at least a slightly different point, which is that, sure, Marxism is not the same thing there, but they actually have a lot more in common than maybe people like me have thought, which is this overarching lust and Zealand for violence and subjugation and utopianism gone awry. Can you perhaps elaborate on that a little bit?
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Absolutely. Josh. Well, look, sometimes there's a method to my madness. I'll just. We're building a puzzle, and sometimes we just take little pieces out and put them in. So sometimes it might seem right, like it's random, but it's very connected. So I'll start with this piece of the puzzle right here. That the leftist believes that humans can be shaped like clay. As Christians and Jews, we believe in many respects that we are fallen and we are not perfect and we need to repent and we need to say sorry for our sins. The leftist has a very different mindset, and they, as I said, want to make themselves Gods, and they believe that they're gods, and they get to choose who is damned and who is saved. So we know what they want to do with us. If they had total power, for instance, just the period that we came out of, those of us that didn't want to do certain things during the pandemic, right, we know very well what they wanted to do with the people that didn't want to follow certain rules. So there's a totalitarian mindset, but they believe that they can shape man like clay, like mold. They don't believe that there's a human nature. They can just shape him like this, the new Soviet man. And then they can't. And they have a very difficult time with shaping him. And they begin to hate humans for who and what they are. There's a deep hatred for the human being. And if you hate human beings, what starts happening when you look in the mirror? And, you know, I've studied this since I was a kid. Is it a coincidence that, as I document in United and Hate, you know, Paul Hollander wrote Political Pilgrims, a book that influenced me very much. These fellow travelers that traveled to the Soviet Union, to Mao, to Mao's death camps, when they traveled to Kastros, Cuba, and a lot of them lost their lives there, they went almost to sacrifice themselves. They go there to worship at the altar of these killing fields. A lot of leftist feminists, as I document in United in Hate, as I write in my further writings, they actually travel to the Palestinian territories to, you know, give their cause to Hamas and to the jihad there. And a lot of them are raped and abused and tortured and brutalized. And a lot of them keep quiet about it because they don't want to, you know, delegitimize or hurt the cause. But there's a certain self hatred here. And when one begins to see this self hatred, it all begins to make sense. Why would you. When we see all these jihad followers and Sharia believers in New York screaming Allahu Akbar, you have to ask yourself, why would we have brought this element to the United States? What are they doing here? But once you begin to understand the leftist mindset, it all becomes clear. You know, Kenneth Levin wrote a fascinating book, the Oslo Syndrome. You know, this is another layer of the left as well that I want to mention here. And he talks about what people do under siege, the illusions and delusions that they create. And we know that during Oslo, and Kenneth documents this, no matter what evidence there was to show them that this enemy wants to kill you, they believed somewhere that if we just give a couple extra hugs, if we just give a little bit more money, if we just give a little bit more land, everything will be okay. There's a certain illusion and delusion on the left as well with our enemy that the leftist wants control of the situation and believes that everything might be okay in the long run and is in complete denial. Just very quickly, what I'm very interested in, the women dressed all in black in black garbage bags in Pakistan and that have their whips and they're whipping the women that aren't dressed properly. And you got to ask yourself, who are these women that are enforcing this? These are the people who are ingratiating themselves with the potential executioner. They're trying to out radicalize the master who might kill them. And on some levels, this is what the left is doing in terms of our Islamic enemy. And then on another level, David Potter, historian, has written about something called negative identification. When you live vicariously through violence, when you actually hate the people. And so my argument is what they share, and sorry if it was a bit convoluted, but the left actually shares these values. So when they see the brutalization of human beings and women and minorities under Islam or under communism, they're living through this vicariously because they're so violent and they want to inflict violence that deep down they actually support what's happening and they're living vicariously through it. And I get so tired of hearing all of this in our media all the time. Why are they doing this? Why does the left support this? It doesn't make any sense why the leftist feminist would or the feminist would support what's happening in there. Why aren't they saying anything? Well, just invite me and I'll explain it to you. And if you don't want to talk to me, talk to Gad Saad, talk to Annie Cyrus, talk to Josh Hammer. But as you know, Josh, there's a great denial in our culture to face these truths.
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There's a massive denial. And we're trying again, folks, with Jimmy Gladsov, editor of Front Page magazine. You can follow him on X. Amyglazov. His brand new book which we're discussing is right here. United in Hate, the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas. Available everywhere books and purchase. Jamie, just about a minute and a half before we go to break, we'll have to continue this conversation very much on the other side. But I was struck by the page and a half, two page, the short conclusion of your book where you talk about the day that Jimmy Carter passed away. And about the less, their inability to talk about some of the less reputable, shall we say, parts of Jimmy Carter's legacy. I actually think back to, to that day itself. I actually went on the morning Fox business program Mornings with Maria. There was a fill in host that day, Cheryl Cassoni, and we actually got into a little bit there because she was actually doing a little bit of this hate geography on Jimmy Carter as well. And I was not, I was not playing ball and she got very upset with me. I actually have not been invited back on that show since then. I'd go on other Fox shows, but I guess not that one. So this even reached News Corp. It's even reached Fox, which I was bit a little surprise out there. It's not just Jimmy Carter though, Jamie. The media seems to have this inability to talk about the real brutal legacy of a lot of these leftists in general. Just about a minute left here before you go to break there. So begin here and then we'll pick up on the other side.
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Well, one very serious component there. You see, Josh, the left wants to destroy this society, okay? They hate Western civilization. If you say to them, well, look at the acid that these mullahs are throwing in the Iranian women's face. This is horrible. And it's rooted in their texts in terms of punishing women who aren't covered properly. If the leftist says, oh, that's very bad. If the leftist admits that, then guess what the next step is. Then he might have to admit that the Judeo Christian tradition is better, that our civilization is superior. And guess what the next step is. If you admit that our civilization is superior and this over here is evil, then our society must be worth protecting and saving.
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And they can't take.
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They can't because they have to destroy this society. So that has to be pushed away and denied. It's why Noam Chomsky denied the refugee testimonies of people escaping from Cambodia's killing fields under Khmer Rouge. You have to deny what the enemy is doing because it will disqualify your agenda.
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Makes a lot of sense. Deep and profound stuff, folks. Stay with us. We have a short commercial break. Jimmy Glass, that joins us for the continuation of our conversation on the other side. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back and Jimmy Glaze of joins us to continue our conversation on his brand new book which I hold in my hand here, United in Hate, the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas. You can follow Jamie on X imaglaza. Check out frontpagemag.com where he is editor, where I am a frequent contributor as a shilling fellow of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. So Jimmy, let's begin to bring this conversation home if we will. You spent some time talking about the on campus protests. Protests is kind of a generous word to be honest with you. The on campus mini jihadi activism, whatever you want to call it there on American campuses after October 7th, they this lust and festivization for violence is now happening openly on Ivy League campuses. It's now happening all too openly in American political life, in public life. You have the CEO of United Healthcare just over a year ago who was gunned down in midtown Manhattan by a man named Luigi Mangione. And the name Luigi started to be a more frequent baby name for far left. They were naming their children after this fanatical left wing socialist assassin. You had the assassination of my late friend Charlie Kirk last September, perhaps the most high profile example. The polling on this is deeply disturbing. The percentage of leftists on university campuses who think that political violence is appropriate or acceptable when it comes to trying to silence speech or de platform is shockingly high. At Harvard I believe last year I saw I was in the 30%, something like it's 30, 35% range there. So this lust for violence is not just an academic concept. It is very much happening in real life. And as a man who just wrote a book about it, I guess my question for you is what on earth do we do about it?
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Great question. But first as you're talking about, let's just crystallize exactly just what's happening there. There's a reason why they called the Cambodian Pol Pot killing fields, Sartre's killing Fields, because the blueprint happened in Paris in terms of what the French intellectuals were devising there. So there's a great pining for violence here. I'd like to say this, that the left has done a brilliant job in brainwashing people, and especially this younger generation. And in terms of jihad, they've done a brilliant job. What they've done is they've conflated Muslims with Islam in the sense of the discussion. So if people like us try to say this teaching is dangerous, this teaching says Vas. They say you hate all Muslims, but it's completely not true. Josh. We don't hate all Muslim people. There's lots of people that don't follow the tenets of their ideologies and religions. We're talking about Islam. They've also racialized Islam, and they've taught people in the west that being called a racist is the greatest, awful, most thing that can be done in the world. And of course, we're all against racism, but people have been so indoctrinated in terms of the fear that they're scared to say anything about Islam because if they say something about Islam, that means they're for white supremacism in the Western patriarchy, et cetera. So they can't go against Islam because of this. These kids on campus are so into their image, and they want to virtue signal. They're terrified to oppose Islam and our jihadist enemy and to point to what's wrong there. And so one of the things we have to do is the battle for education, the battle for minds. And, you know, David Horowitz, God bless his soul, you know, he very much stressed that conservatives don't know how to fight properly. We have to fight this culture war. We have to fight the left's propaganda on these issues because they're very effective in how they've molded the boundaries of discourse. Because a lot of the leftists that I'll argue with, I see that you can't break through because it's not about the issues we're discussing. The left is a social life. And if they end up agreeing with me, then they're gonna be called a white supremacist and racist, and then they're gonna lose all their friends. And so this is a very crazy social movement where there's been a lot of indoctrination. So one thing we have to do is to escalate our battle for ideas.
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B
It's a very important notion for sure. Something that you and I have both been talking about, I think in our own capacities for a very long time. I'm curious, Jamie, if you could elaborate on. Also you mentioned David Horowitz who spoke about this, how conservatives oftentimes are going to a fight with one hand tied behind their back. They're bringing a knife to a gunfight. Use whatever analogy you would like there. But these days of Oxford style debates seem to be over. And I'm obviously not saying that you respond to the left with actual violence. That is obviously, I want to be very clear. That's certainly by no means whatsoever what I mean, what I am suggesting there. But what specifically when it comes to we on the right side, both symbolically and I guess, substantively of these issues, what ought we to be doing when it comes to tactics and or substance to better put these ideas and these worldviews back to the ash of history where they so clearly belong?
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C
Well, one thing we would just need to start with is stop thinking. Okay, obviously this goes without saying. It's so sad that we even have to say this because of the left's propaganda war. We're not advocating violence. We're talking about the battle for ideas. Of course we have to stop being nice. This is one of the problems that David Horowitz experienced. A lot of conservatives shied away from that. They don't like culture war. They don't want to fight, they just want to be nice. You know, the Mitt Romney's and that over debate with Obama he had way back then when he was just trying to be a nice guy. And that's how we lose. And you know, one thing that, you know, has always bothered me around many conservatives, you know, they're having their barbecue and they're saying that, you know, I'll shoot that jihadist when he shows up on my front doorstep, I'll just shoot him. My question is, why does he have to even be here? Let's forget about shooting the jihadist when he comes to your front doorstep. Why don't you get involved in the political and cultural war so that that jihadist doesn't have to be here in the first place. There has to be an engagement for ideas. This is why Trump is so great, because he's not afraid of them. And a lot of people who criticize Trump, they don't like his manner, he's rude, etc. This is exactly what we have to do. Stop playing nice. The leftists, they hate being ridiculed, they hate being called out, they hate being called name. And I'm not saying act nasty and stupid, but what I'm saying is we have to play ball the way that they play ball. And if they support murder and if they're murderers, instead of us being Mitt Romney's during that debate, somebody should have said to Obama, where were you during Benghazi and during those hours where Americans were being killed? You have blood on your hands in terms of what happened to those Americans. And so we have to also start becoming more aggressive and truthful about who the left is instead of always being nice like Mitt Romney and losing all the time.
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B
Very well said. It's actually a very nice follow up to what will probably be unfortunately for Time reasons. Our last question of this great conversation that we've been having when she Jamie Glaszow, the editor of Front Page magazine, author of United in Hate, the Left's Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas. So, Jamie, just about a minute or so left here, but before I let you go, I kind of have to ask, based on what you said, we're talking here about what the right should look like. So if the left is united in hate, then what are we united in? It would be kind of kitschy to say we're united in love. That sounds a little too Woodstock 1969, a little too Jefferson Davis somewhere of love. What are we united in?
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C
Well, absolutely. But there is a love there in the sense that, you know, the Jewish people and the Christian people, we have to start sticking together against our Islamists, leftists, leftist enemies. But I think about what unites us and I think about let us make man in our own image. And we know, and you've written brilliantly about this, that God created us in his image. And God is the ultimate free agent and he wants us to be free as well. And there's a certain sovereignty and magical beauty to the individual and his freedom. And we are united in the love of the individual and how God wants a relationship with every single one of us and also gives us our freedom, the individual and our freedom and the worthiness of every single individual. And our enemies hate that because in our enemy camp, the individual serves the state. And this is exactly why the Israelis, for instance, go door to door looking for jihadists and sacrifice so many of their boys and girls. They also value the lives of their enemies.
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B
But the enemies 127 man made in God's image. The most important sentence ever written. That's our stance here on the Josh Hammer show, folks. One final time. We're out of time. Fortunately. Jamie Glazov is the editor of frontpagemagazine.com follow him on X Amieglazov Brand new book, United in Hate, the Left's Romance With Tyranny Taryn Hamas. Jamie, what a pleasure it's been. Have a great rest of your day, my friend, and we'll see you again soon, I hope.
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C
I'm so grateful to be on your show, Josh, and thank you for everything that you do. And God bless.
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B
God bless you too, folks. Have a great rest of your evening. We'll be right back with more.
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C
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