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Warwick Schiller
Journey on Magic lies within the trails we ride.
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Chantelle Pratt
You're listening to the Journey on podcast with Warwick Schiller. Warrick is a horseman trainer, international clinician and author who helps empower horse people from all over the world with the skills, knowledge and mindsets needed to create trusting partnerships with their horses. Warrick offers a free seven day trial to his customers comprehensive online video library that includes hundreds of full length training videos and several home Study courses@videos.warwickshiller.com G'day everyone.
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Warwick Schiller
Welcome back to the Journey On Podcast. I'm your host, Warwick Schiller and in this episode of the podcast we're going to do a bit of a recap on our podcast summit that we just had in Birmingham, England. Our UK Podcast summit. I am going to chat with some of the presenters and see what their thoughts on the summit were. This was our fourth summit we had. The first one we had was here in the US in San Antonio, Texas two years ago. Our second one was in Melbourne, Australia last year and then we had our US Summit again last year in San Antonio. And yeah, this was our, this was our fourth one. And each one's been slightly different and probably something we did differently in this one was we had what we called connection circles at the, at the end of each day. And so Robin would, my wife Robin would give us all a topic to talk about and then we broke up into groups. And the connection circle is a place to be heard. It's not a place to be judged. It's not a place to be educated. It's a place to share. So in these connection circles, you know, the first, the first day, the question of the day was what have you learned today that you want to take home and integrate into your life? And the rules for the connection circle is there is no response from anybody required or needed. All it is is people will share what they're feeling and the only response from the other people in the circle is, you know, we kind of put our hands together a little Namaste Mudra and nod and say, say thank you. So it's, you know, because it's not a lot of times in our life we actually get to get something off our chest without someone trying to coach us on it or tell us how to do it differently or whatever. It's just, it's just a place to be heard. And each day the question got a little bit deeper and a little bit deeper and yeah, that was a, it was a great addition to the summit which we will be having at our summit here. In Paso Robles, California. And we're so looking forward to that, especially after the energy of the UK Summit. I know this one is going to be at least as special as that one. But now we're going to get on with this episode and have a chat with some of the presenters. The first presenter I'm going to chat to is neuroscientist Chantelle Pratt. Chantel opened up our San Antonio summit last year, and we had her open up again the UK Summit this year. You know, Chantelle is a major brain, but she's also like a standup comedian. We always say that she's like the love child of Stephen Hawking. And Robin Williams was the perfect person to open up the summit, and I feel like she's the perfect person to chat to first on this podcast. Chantelle Pratt, welcome back once again to the Journey on podcast for our post UK Summit catch up.
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Emily Kotter
Oh, my gosh. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here.
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Warwick Schiller
I'm glad to be chatting to you again. So you. We had you open up the summer, and I think you opened up. Did you open up in San Antonio last year, too?
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Emily Kotter
I did, yeah, I did.
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Warwick Schiller
You're the opener. We always say that you're like the love child of Stephen Hawking and Robin Williams. You're the mad scientist who's also funny as hell. Yeah. It was great to have you over there.
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Emily Kotter
I want that. I want that on my tombstone. Not that I want to have a tombstone anytime soon, but I would like permission to borrow that.
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Warwick Schiller
Here lies the love child of Stephen Hawking and Robin Williams.
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Emily Kotter
And when we were leaving the uk, I went to Stephen Hawking's arrest site. He's in one of the famous churches in London. And I thought, well, I got to visit my dad.
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Warwick Schiller
So tell me, how was your experience at the summit? You know, you'd been to the one in San Antonio. How did you enjoy this one? What were your thoughts on it?
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Emily Kotter
Oh, my gosh. Well, I should be fully transparent and say that I've been thinking about how to wrap my experience in words. Anybody who has listened to me or knows me might find it really hard to believe that I would ever have a problem finding words to say. But even when it was, you know, time to advertise for the summit and tell people what I'm doing, it's. It's a hard thing to describe, and each one is its own thing. And, you know, the first San Antonio summit I attended online, and I remember hearing people say, you know, yes, the people who are online, feel like they're in the room, but it's not like being in the room. And there's something like being in the room. And I'm thinking, like, here I am in my pajamas, crying my face off. Like, I'm emotionally so involved with these speakers. How could it be different? And it, it is different. It's not necessarily better or worse. I think the nice thing about being online is you can take sips, you know, of these, like, big experiences rather than just feel like your mind is so blunt. You said, like, I kind of just want to stare at a wall for a minute. You know, after somebody said a thing, you're like, I just need to stare at a wall and integrate. So, you know, being online is like that, but being in the room and you know, my mom said when she walked into the San Antonio summit, It felt like 300 people waiting to give you a hug. It's just like the room is a hug. It's people who are there with the same willingness to learn from the experiences of others. Like, that's the way that I put it. And so I should also say that when I got invited to come back and give a talk, my mom was visiting and I ran downstairs and I said, mom, mom, I'm gonna, I'm gonna speak again at another Journey on Podcast summit. And she was like, don't let it go to your head, okay, mom keeps it grounded. Yeah, yeah. And I'm coming with you. I was like, okay, let's go. So the second summit, you know, it's interesting because I know how brains work, and I know that when you expect a thing, it's harder for that thing to meet your expectations. Right. Like, I think most people have like one or two really good New Year's Eves. And then after that, it's like you spend so much time planning a great New Year's Eve. You have this outfit, you have some event, and like, it might be cool, but it's like hard to rise to the occasion. And this summit for me, I think was even more powerful, perhaps because I had some kind of experience and I could metabolize a little bit more of what was there. I went into it with one thing, like one sort of, well, two kind of goals in mind. One was like, I'm opening the summit. I want to set a tone for how people can take in this breadth of experiences that they're going to have and how they can think about it and how it will interact with their own kind of sense making system. So, like, that, you know, that responsibility in the TikTok. But the other thing was, yes, I am one of the people who has been here before, and I want to. I don't want to land in that lane or something like that. Like, I don't want to spend all of my time with somebody who I already know because we spoke before. Like, I. And I'm so glad I didn't, because I met Senka and Maeda and, you know, Emily. Holy crap. And you know Helen. You know, the first night at the meet and greet, like, Helen came up to me and she's so, you know, she's kind of, like, overwhelmed. This woman who has done these, like, crazy adventurous things is just like, I'm going to stand next to you because you're peopling. And. And, and. And so, like, those were my two little tiny guiding lights and. And Tanya and. Oh, my God, like. And I just want to also point out that I've said all of these names without talking about Jane Pike. So, you know, there. There might be a rumor that I'm obsessed with Jane pike, because I am. But, like, here. Here is me giving light and love to all of these. Gareth, who's my other new best friend, like, you know, and. And all of the people I met from the UK and from the US and, you know, it's. That was a lot of words. Still doesn't do it justice.
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Warwick Schiller
How was it? So you met Helen? Had you listened to Helen's podcast before you met her at the meet and.
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Emily Kotter
Greeted on principle, I try not to listen to anyone who I know I'm gonna meet unless I just have.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay, so.
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Emily Kotter
And I think that that's really important because I don't know, Christine said I want to meet the person and not their resume. Like, there are some, you know, a lot. We. There are a lot of people in that room who are, like, on paper, so intimidating. And then they're just people.
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Warwick Schiller
Right?
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Emily Kotter
I mean, we're all people.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Now, the question I was going to ask you was you hadn't listened to Helen's podcast. So then you meet her and she's this, you know, meek sort of nervous. Nervous sort of a person. And she's more nervous about being there and presenting. Not.
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Emily Kotter
Right.
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Warwick Schiller
She's not necessarily nervous. A nervous Nelly by nature.
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Emily Kotter
And that. She's not necessarily meek either. She's just introverted.
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Warwick Schiller
Right. So then you meet her and you kind of a little bit of a sensor. Then you watch her tick tock. How did that hit?
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Emily Kotter
I know I took pictures. I was like, I know this Person, like, you know, I was, like, taking pictures. Like, well, she's the first person to ever play this, like, very, like, physical sport. You know, she's. She's done all of these, like, amazing, adventurous things. And also, you know, I thought, like, I want to help contribute financially to eradicating rabies. Like, you know, I'm sitting in the ivory tower here, like, learning how brains work, but, like, I have the opportunity to participate and all of these important ways that people are changing the world. And I think, like, with Helen, the exciting thing for me, because I was also on the panel with her, as was Christine, and she's got a lot of really important things to say. It was just great to be like, no, I'm handing you the mic. Like, this is happening. I know you don't think I'm going to, but, you know, I want to hear what you have to say. She's amazing.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, she. She is amazing. And by the end of her TikTok, I was thinking, I want to go to India and help catch street dogs so they can. That's an infant rabies.
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Emily Kotter
Yeah, I just. Just, like, do, like, I don't know, 5,000 a day or something. Like some, like, you know, medium. Medium goal. Like 5,000 dogs a day. You know, we're just going to eradicate rabies from the planet. Like, no big deal.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. So how was your. How was your integration back into the other world? I don't want to call it the real world, but the other world. Coming back from the summit.
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Emily Kotter
I mean, I feel very much changed. I think, you know, I'm. It's. It's amazing the tangible ways that these relationships and these ideas change me. You know, our brains physically change our brains. You know, the way I think about learning, it's. It's. Our brain takes an experience, whether it's lived or imagined, and it metabolizes it. Metabolizes it. It takes an experience, and it turns it into something physical in a way that it believes prepares you for future success. And I think that most of the time when our brain is doing that, it's so incremental, it's so small that we don't notice. It's kind of like your friend's kid growing little by little, but then you don't see them for two years and they're a giant or. And that lets you know how much time has passed, or this experience that we all have where you go back to visit your elementary school or your hometown or something, and, like, everything seems different because you're different, because all of the experiences that you've had have changed the way you see this thing. And, and I think that the summit is like pouring gasoline on our ability to learn from our experiences. It's the things I know about the human brain is that we need, you know, when something is new and something surprises us, the first thing it does is decide whether we're safe. Think about that like you're wandering through the woods. Oh, I'm lost. I'm in a new place. You can think about it when you make a wrong turn in a neighborhood. Right. Like, oh, this is cool. Like, I want to stop here and have a coffee or this looks a little like, I don't know if I want to get out of my car. Right. That the first thing. But our brains do that with ideas. And so I think that what the summit is, is a place where we feel safe with new experiences so that we have this accelerated growth. And that's kind of like when I, when I went first, it's like, I want to help open. I'm going to be the neuroscientist who goes first. But I want to help you appreciate how little each of us knows and how different the lived experiences of the people on this stage are and how if you just stay open, we can live all of these lifetimes in a long weekend. I mean, we can just casually live all these lifetimes in a long weekend. That's. That's what it felt like to me. And so when you go back, you're different and you're putting on the same life skin, but you're changed.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. So you were in San Antonio last year. And the thing that was different about this one was that we included those connection circles. How did you find those?
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Emily Kotter
I found it really intense and good. So I had to, not had to. I was given the opportunity. As Robin reminds us, this is a growth, a stepping up experience for the presenters too. I facilitated the growth circle the first day. The first day. So I'm like, oh, my gosh, what are we doing? Like, what is this? Like, I didn't have any experience. We had rules. And I took the responsibility to hold the space, not to comment, not to, you know, agree, disagree. I took it to heart and I think I did a decent job. We basically all cried or at least two thirds of my circle. There was an end that was the crying end. And when it came to me, I was like, did you think I was going to be the person not on the crying and crying? We were all, you know, no one cries alone. But it was Easy in my circle because like 85% of us were crying. I was like, okay, we were laughing too. And I was. Somebody may have told me that we were perhaps laughing a little bit loudly for the space, but we had a range of emotions. And I think that that was really good because it brings the audience into the experience. And you've said it a million times, and it's very true. Like, anybody could be up on the stage telling their story in a way that's valuable. And so in those connection circles, people have the opportunity to have those moments of processing, sharing, learning, relearning, committing to themselves however they use that space. So it was a great growth opportunity for me. It was definitely out of my comfort zone. Um, and I appreciate that. Like, you know, I'm a. I'm. I was gonna say a grown ass woman, but I'm still. I'm a work in progress, you know, and. And I appreciate the opportunity to go out of my comfort zone, learn something about myself, but more importantly, to like, kind of have a closer connection or a closer opportunity to hold space with some of the people who were there for the first time in particular.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I. I took a screenshot of a meme yesterday because I thought it really summed it up. It said, it's a beautiful thing when you get so comfortable with someone and you realize you're telling them things you've never said out loud before. And I had a couple of those connection circles to where, you know, someone shared something and then kind of looked around the circle and then said, I just realized I've never ever told a single soul that. To a single soul before in my entire life.
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Emily Kotter
Mm. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
And it's, you know, just like that meme said. It's about that. It's about that feeling. You mentioned it too. It's about that feeling of safety. And. Yeah, there's something about. That's the thing about the. The things we found about the summit. It's. It's like a. You know, everybody's just on the same level and, you know, just feel very safe with each other. It's like they found their people. I can actually be me here. I don't. I can. I can drop. I can drop the facade, I can drop the guard, and I can actually show up as whoever I am, and no one's going to laugh at me.
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Emily Kotter
And I think, yes. And I think, you know, to Emily, Emily said, as we start to expand, the ego cracks and falls off like old paint. And what. I mean, I have so many. I just want to Go like, get these things tattooed all over my arms. I have so many like soundbites like that. But I think that you know, and I know you hate to be, I don't know, but I suspect you hate to be centered in these conversations. That's why you do podcasts, so you can talk about other people. But as our leader, as the sort of podcast is about journeying, it's about the journey. And in making your podcast about the journey, in a way it's like saying explicitly, I don't have the answers. I'm on the road. And in, you know, in you and my first podcast conversation, we talked about polyvagal theory and all these things that we don't know if it's real. It works, it doesn't work. Like, what's the answer? How to be a scientist of yourself. And since that, and you know, I remember in that early conversation I was like, I'm so concerned that as somebody starts to learn who I am, that I'm going to be different and somehow guided by what others think of me. And you said, if you're worrying about it, it's probably not going to happen. And you talked about narcissism and having these kind of. So we're both being super vulnerable. We're talking about all the shit we don't know. And in that, like, in preparing for my last TikTok, I learned this thing which is that narcissistic personality and what I would say like ego and being self centeredness is related to how we perceive new information and how we take in especially something unexpected. So like, you know, there are these kinds of different labels for it. Self fulfilling prophecy or confirmation bias where when you're trying to protect your, your rightness, you're, you're trying to protect as the leader. There's this model that's like, I'm the leader, I'm the coach. I have the answers. That's how I showed up here. And when you have that kind of perspective, what happens is something comes into your face that doesn't fit and you turn it down. It could either be like really early, like you don't even notice it, or it could be really elaborate storytelling. It's not related to intelligence. The smarter you are, the more elaborate you can tell these stories that make you feel right. But you know, I just, when I saw this, I realized, oh my God, like this is, this is part of the secret sauce, is that you are not the least bit narcissistic and you are like, oh, wow, that's so cool. And that just blew my mind. And, you know, I don't know how this works. And you're just like an idea collector. And I think that that sort of the ego. There's no, you know, you always say this, and it's completely true. There's no clicks. There's no, I have this many followers. There's no, I'm cooler than you there. The ego dissolves, and we're all in front of these ideas, and because of it, we can live that many lives. You know, it's just like this accelerated expansion of learning and connection and togetherness and it's the journey.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it most certainly is. And, you know, I always feel, you know, there's that whole saying about, you know, if you're the smartest person in the room, they're in the wrong room. I feel like I'm in the right room at the summits.
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Emily Kotter
Yes.
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Warwick Schiller
Because I feel like. And that's the thing, like you just said it. They like, oh, me too. That's one of the coolest things. And I talked about it at the start of the summit, before we started this, the fact that all the speakers are fans of the other speakers and everybody in the audience, too. But it's almost like this a big mutual admiration society. It's almost like everybody's cheering for everybody else.
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Emily Kotter
And it's wonderful. And I think one of the biggest. You were saying, what's reintegration like for me? And one of the biggest things for me was the way Emily talks about humans as being isolated because we forgot that we're connected to everything and everyone. That's the. The expand. The expansion of the self. And. And so when I went home, like, I missed my friends. I feel like you are all my friends. And I realize that I am not as separate from you as I've been trained to think. Like, I'm. I'm bringing. Not only do we have this awesome rich WhatsApp chat going on where people will just be like, this morning I woke up camping with all these horses on this mystical lake or so that, you know, we have this WhatsApp chat where we're all still connecting through, you know, technology, but also, like, I can practice everything that I've learned. And just like, I brought that, I brought some bit of all of these new and old friends, life experiences home with me. And so I don't feel lonely. I just want to, like, notice the way I am in the same familiar space. But I'm changed.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. It's like the saying about travel. Leaving and coming back is not the same as never having left.
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Emily Kotter
That's right, that's right. That's right. Exactly right. It's a life. Travel, Learning, travel.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Yeah. I had a great time, and it sounds like you did, too. So tell me before you go, tell me about this new book you're writing. What are you. What are you writing a new book on?
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Emily Kotter
The working title is Learning, Knowing and Growing. I'm kind of calling it Living and Learning in my. In my heart right now. And it is about. So I'm going to steal a quote from Tanya Kindersley, who I've actually been working with since the summit. She's helping me learn to love writing as much as I love speaking. And she said, with my clients, I want to work with the grain of the person, with the nature of the grain of the person. And that's actually what this book is about. It's about lifetime learning and personal growth from your brain's perspective and how, you know for, like, you know, the first chapter is about learn this. You know, I went to this learning conference, and one of the presenters said, learning has escaped the classroom. It was all about AI in the classroom. And I thought, what a silly thing to say. Like, learning was never contained to a classroom. Like, learning is something that is as inherent as living. It's in every moment. And that really kind of highlighted how we think about learning as these, like, instructed opportunities about, you know, like, reading a book or. Or watching YouTube or sitting in a classroom. But, like, few people really appreciate what your brain is learning from Netflix or the podcasts you listen to or, like, when you take a minute to smell the roses. And so kind of in my book, I want to talk about how to be the best partner with your brain and to think about what your brain is doing in the ways that it defines success for you, how to partner with that. Because I think for every explicit goal we might hold for how we want to be better, your brain is doing, like, 100,000 things to move you forward in the way that it thinks defines success. So how to understand your own brain's motivational structure and what it's doing for you to help you become who you want to become. And I had to. You know, it's funny because my first book, the Neuroscience of you, is really, like, my real goal was I want everyone to love and appreciate themselves exactly how they are. Like, we're all different. We're all weird. Like, every. You know, I sit next to 100 people on a plane who say, you could write a whole book about my brain. Because we all feel weird. Like we all feel odd, you know, or maybe just the people who sit next to me on a plane. That's also possible. But you know, I'm still, you know, in the last two years and the conversations I have had, I realize everybody has something they would. An opportunity to grow. Everybody has something they would like to be a little bit different. And so while I still want us to celebrate the things, the ways that we're unique, I want to help people figure out how to personalize their self improvement plans and to, you know, partner with their nature, their grain. Go with the grain of their nature.
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Warwick Schiller
Wow, that's super cool. When, when do you think that might be coming out?
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Emily Kotter
Well, I'm not, It's not going to be finished until 2025, so it'll be a while. It'll be a while.
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Warwick Schiller
Good things take time.
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Emily Kotter
Yes. But see, thanks to all the friends I've met. My, my, my growth goal is to have fun along the way between now and December 2025. That's a, that's a labor of love. That's a long, that's like, you know, elephant level pregnancy. So let's, let's find joy in the, in the interim while I teach people how to partner with their brains.
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Warwick Schiller
I can't, I can't imagine you not finding joy in anything.
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Emily Kotter
So you just come across writing. It was the thing, it was so surprising. Like the first task was doing mad gallops, just writing unbridled. Which I, as you might suspect, like I'm a little out there and you know, I'm not very bridled in the real world. But that was like, even my husband, we were driving home and I was like, I couldn't do it. Like, writing is a thing that I've decided I have some talent for. And even like when I was just supposed to write for the sake of writing, I was thinking, what is this for? Who's going to see it?
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Warwick Schiller
That doesn't sound good.
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Emily Kotter
I had to practice. I had to practice. I'm still practicing.
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Warwick Schiller
That's cool. That's super cool. I'm excited for that. So it's been great to chat with you again. Thank you so much for your part in the summit. It was, I think the whole thing was magical and it was the sum of all its parts. And you were one of those parts. Thank you.
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Emily Kotter
Thank you for having me. Thank you for including me and thank you for helping me become the best version of myself. I am, you know, you're not getting rid of me, so I don't know.
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Warwick Schiller
If we want you to become a better version of yourself because that's probably just too much for the whole world to encompass.
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Emily Kotter
Okay, fair, fair. Let's just say the. Nope, nope. It's gonna be better. It's gonna be sparklier. More glitter, more glitter, more glitter.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay. Looking forward to seeing the glittery, the more glittery version of you. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Emily Kotter
Thank you. Have a good one.
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Warwick Schiller
The next presenter I'm going to talk to is Emily Kotter from Sweden. You know, I was so excited when Emily said she was coming to the to the summit. You know, her podcast was one of those ones. I think it was episode 114, 115, something like that. And it was almost like we needed 100 and something episodes beforehand to get us ready for some of the perspectives that Emily shared with us. And so I was so excited to meet her face to face and hang out with her and listen to what she had to say. And she did not disappoint. This lady is something else. But she really, it was, what was really cool was at the start of the her TED talk, she opened it with a short. I'm not sure if it's a prayer or just a saying, but the thing that she opened it with like stunned the whole room and then it, then it went on from there and it was what was really amazing about Emily and she will share this story when I chat with her here. But we all thought that listening to Emily at the podcast summit was going to give us all some sort of an existential crisis. And it turned out that the summit itself did that for Emily, which surprised me. But she'll share that story here. But yeah, here's my chat with Emily kaysd. Emily Kider, welcome back to the Journey on podcast for our post UK summit Catch up. How are you?
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Jennifer Zelig
Thank you. I'm fine. I'm different and fine, different, fun.
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Warwick Schiller
That's. That sounds like great things. So tell me, how did you, how did you find the summit? How did you enjoy it?
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Jennifer Zelig
I did find it life changing in a way that I did not expect. One of my biggest fears in life is talking in front of an audience and it's something I struggle with regularly since we have classes and courses and I give lectures sometimes and I know that fear and I decided not to completely give in to it. I didn't want to let it stop me from coming because I feel what you're doing is so important and to contribute to that as an honor that it would be just disrespectful. On all levels to not respond to that. So I was very prepared for the nervousness and even to the extent of panic attacks that I would have beforehand, Although I was not prepared for the complete collapse of my entire self image that came after the talk. That was a challenge that I definitely needed. And if I had known that beforehand, well, it couldn't have happened and maybe I wouldn't have had the courage to go.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I think any of those big life changing things like that, if you knew it was going to happen, you wouldn't have been, you know, you were in an open sort of a place to allow it to happen.
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
And the defenses would have been up. So. Yeah, you kind of shared with me on the Sunday night at the summit that you had a, a bit of a. I don't know if you want to call it an existential crisis, but you, you kind of had some of.
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Jennifer Zelig
The, I would call it.
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Warwick Schiller
Actually you kind of had, you know, you kind of had some of the stories you've been telling yourself for quite a while now. You had those stories challenged. Do you want to share a little bit of that with us?
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah, I think since what I do is in many ways unusual, people either admire it or look down upon it, or think you're, you're just a fraud, or that it's amazing or either way, it's never really just belonging and it creates strategies to cope with that in, in the, in a human context. And I mean, I've got used to those and as that happens, you don't really realize that they're there. And then all of a sudden I'm in an environment where I am welcome and those defenses are not needed. It's a completely different kind of receiving atmosphere than I've never been in on such a scale. And you think that that's going to be just lovely and comfortable and it is for the self who is looking for the closeness, but for the ego who survived in an opposite environment, it's a different story.
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Warwick Schiller
Right.
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Jennifer Zelig
So what happened to me was that right before, not exactly before, I was talking because I couldn't really hear Catriona since she was right before me. And I was so nervous I couldn't hear anything.
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Warwick Schiller
You were backstage?
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah, I was backstage and dealing with breathing, basically. But before that Rupert were talking and he mentioned indigenous peoples who we're all related to deep down, and how they live in a constant communication with other species in exactly, or at least a very similar way to what I do. And that they live in a non hierarchical way of looking at life and non hierarchical structures, which is also a very big part of what I do. So all of a sudden I hear that what I do is not strange or different, it's just deeply rooted in the human origin. And that was the first knockout. I mean, it's a. It's a good thing. I'm extremely grateful and happy for that. But what do I do with my survival strategies if I belong? And then right before I go on stage, you say, don't worry, you're with your tribe now, which is the other acceptance and belonging. And I realized that it didn't really matter how it went. I'm so used to have to be intelligent and sharp and good at explaining since it's so hard to understand what I'm doing. And I didn't have to be brilliant, it was enough to just share. And I mean, my talk is about how the self expands when you're being seen for who you really are. And when that happens, the ego fall off like dried paint. I just didn't realize that it was going to happen to me at the same time as I was telling that, but it did. So after giving the talk and I was expecting this big feeling of relief because I did it, it's over. I survived it. Instead came this huge bottomless grief and I went back to the hotel and the grief turned into every negative, belittling thing that I'd ever thought of myself for as long as I can remember, all in one intensified version. And we have a horse here that had explained that to another woman a couple of months earlier. And she called it like the ego's edge. It's like for as long as you expand within your known territory, it's all fine. But when you go outside of it, this happens. But when you're in it, you don't realize that because you lose all clarity. So I spent the entire night, evening and night and morning just crying and wanting to stop existing. I decided to never work again, to stop with everything I do, to never show my face in front of people, everything you can think of. And I realized as it happened that this is not true. But I couldn't stop feeling it. And this just went on until finally it just settled a little bit. I remember sending a message to one of the women who were helping saying that I can't come into the theater today. This was Sunday morning. And she said, she answered brilliantly. She said, oh, don't worry, just take your time and do whatever you have to do. You're not the only one. So realizing that I'M not the only one who is completely collapsing. And when Gareth said that none of us survived, well, for me, that was very real. There was a version of Emily that did not survive that summit, that died that night, literally. So when you saw me talking to Will at lunchtime, I had just decided that because I could almost not stand up, I was dizzy, and I felt this complete vulnerability of having no skin. I didn't know who I was. I was terrified of meeting people. But on the other hand, I felt this great longing to actually meet people, and that it didn't matter that I was so weak. I didn't want to miss out on being with you, with these people, which is something I never felt ever in my life. I would always choose solitude, and I didn't want to do that. So I went to the theater, and I realized that I have to invite Wail. I have to tell him that he's welcome to come and visit if he wants. So I saw him when I just came, and I saw him going out because it was lunchtime, and I said that, and then we started to talk. So that's what you saw, the beginning?
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Warwick Schiller
Yes. You guys. You guys listening at home? We broke for lunch on Sunday, and I left the theater and the back row. Will and Emily were chatting, and I thought, oh, that's cool. They're having a good old chat. I went to lunch, came. We have a long lunch at these summits, so people can go and hang with their friends and talk about what happened in the morning, whenever. We have an hour and a half for lunch. And I came back an hour and a half later, and Emily and Will are still sitting in exactly the same place, deep in conversation. So I knew. I knew something was going on there. And then Sunday night, we had. We had dinner, and then we went and got some ice cream. But on that way, you were telling me, or when we're having ice cream, you were telling me that the way you described it to me was that all your life you have been like the. You know, the weird one, the odd one out, whatever, and you've. You've got really comfortable with that, and you've built, like, a construct around. That's who you are.
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Jennifer Zelig
Yep.
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Warwick Schiller
And then you come to this place to where you don't need to have these walls up or anything because you're not the weird one out. The stuff that you talk about is not weird. The way you view the world is not weird. Like, you listen to Rupert talking about the hunter gatherers, and he basically was telling you that those are normal humans and the rest of us who exist in a different way.
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Jennifer Zelig
That's when the whole thing began to shift.
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Warwick Schiller
That's. You know. You know what I mean? Like, that's when you realize that all those. I think the way you explained it to me was, you know, you, you. Yeah, all this. All the. I don't know if it's the stories you told yourself about yourself or the.
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Or the. Or the walls that you've put up in place to keep yourself safe because of who you are are no longer leading anymore. You know, I think basically you said to me, if I'm not the weird outsider, who am I?
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Jennifer Zelig
Yes, exactly. Exactly. I had a whole identity around that and maybe I needed it once, but now it's in the way.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Out of any. Anybody coming to the summit, whether they're a presenter or in the audience, the last person that I thought was going to have an existential crisis would be you.
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Kathy Price
Yeah.
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Jennifer Zelig
No, that was important.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, that's. Wow. That was. And that was very serendipitous that Rupert was on right before you were on and you got to listen to. Oh, I think Catriona might have been on right before you were on. Yeah, she was right before that.
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Jennifer Zelig
Rupert was the one I could listen to because Catriona, I needed to get the mic on and at that point I would be too nervous to hear what someone actually would be saying.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Jennifer Zelig
And. And Rert and I are also in a discussion about what we could possibly do together because I think there is areas to discover there.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, yeah, I've been. I've been quoting you and Rupert for quite a while at like, at clinics and the retreats we have here and stuff about. About non hierarchical ways of being and the way that the hunter gatherers view the world. The way that I've been told that the hunter gatherers view the world from Rupert, is exactly the same way as you told me, the horses have told you how they view the world. And I'm like, it's the. There are. It's not. They're not two different ideas. They're exactly the same.
- [45:24]
Jennifer Zelig
They're exactly the same. And what I also realized is that when Rupert speak about the original ancient human, it's exactly the same description as how horses describe the future human. Basically what we need to learn and step into if we are going to be part of a future of this planet. So we're meeting in that point as well.
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Warwick Schiller
Wow.
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Jennifer Zelig
Which is also what Will is really aiming to achieve. The way I understand it from our discussions in his relationship with his horses. And to make that scene so that people realize that it's a real living alternative. It's not just the sort of theoretical dream scenario. It's. It's possible and it's doable.
- [46:27]
Warwick Schiller
Right? Yeah. Like it's not an abstract idea.
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Chantelle Pratt
No.
- [46:30]
Warwick Schiller
It's a tangible thing that actually works.
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Jennifer Zelig
Yes.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, that is, that's, that's very cool. So I don't want to diminish that, but you and your, your existential crisis. But let, let's. Let's say you don't have an existential crisis at the summit. So pre existential crisis. You know, you, you really don't know me. We've talked once on the podcast. You've flown from Sweden to England to come to this thing that you're not probably exactly sure what it's like. What was your pre existential crisis? What was your. What was your interpretation of the summit? How. What did you think of it?
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Jennifer Zelig
I think it's a remarkable basis for transformation. And maybe, I mean, I've never been to any of the others, but the fact that it was in a theater, and a theater which is even built for that to be able to happen, that the storytelling will really come to you. If you compare it with watching a movie or maybe have it in a more of a sort of conference setting, the theater really would bring everyone together in a different way, which I think is part of why it was so strong. And what I also found was this. I mean, I'd never met any of the other presenters personally and none of the people in the audience, but almost immediately I. There was such an honesty between people. We're used to everyone positioning themselves and. And having this sort of distance between each other. And I didn't feel that. And from a non hierarchical perspective, which I come from the fact that we were all. When you were listening to the others, you were not a presenter. You were really one of the group listening. And when you're a presenter, you're not above anyone who is listening. You're just. It's just your turn to share your story. Which is then even stronger when you have. When we have the connection circles where it was really clear that we're just witnessing each other. There is no above and below and there is no judging. And I think that entire context made it very. A very strong experience. I think it's extremely well made. I mean, to just to create an environment with only humans because it's hard for us without any other species. We were not in a park, not outside. We were human to human for four days. And to keep that respect in the room to me was inspiring and impressive and very hopeful. It's like we really can if we want. We can do a lot if we want, if we decide to.
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Warwick Schiller
About the theater experience. So the first or the two we had in. The two we've had so far in the US were in like a, you know, like a conference center type thing. And then the one we had in Australia was in a theater. And after that one in Australia, I said to Robin, oh, the theater experience is really. It adds, it adds a lot to it. And the other thing you said something about, something about being able to bring this thing together or whatever. The thing is, we don't bring it together, we just allow it to happen. Like, you know, you know, if you think about. None of the presenters are coached on what they should or shouldn't talk about, and basically you just have people who are interested in what we're interested in all show up in one place. And it just happens from that. But, I mean, there's not a whole lot of instruction about.
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Jennifer Zelig
No, none.
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Warwick Schiller
I mean, who should come and who shouldn't come and you know what I mean? It's just, it's just, it just, it just happens, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And so you're going to be joining us at our one here in America, too, in October.
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Jennifer Zelig
Sorry. But during my existential crisis, I managed to send a message to my friend who was going to travel with me. You've got to cancel the ticket. I'm never going to go through this again. And she's like, okay, let's just wait a little bit. And then 12 hours later, after talking to Will, it's like. Did you cancel the ticket? No, I didn't. Oh, good. Keep it. We have to go.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, that's. That is. That's funny. Yeah. Well, I can't wait to see you again. I definitely can't wait to have you here on our ranch. And. Yeah, I'd love to know what this place has to say.
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Jennifer Zelig
I'm very. I'm really looking forward to that, too. I'm very curious about meeting the horses that you live with.
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Warwick Schiller
I'm very curious about you meeting the horses really with, you know, many, many years ago. It's probably about 12 years ago, I had a, an animal communicator come out and see a horse that we, we had at the time. And, and really, I want to know. He wasn't. He didn't really present as lame or anything, but I thought there was a restriction Somewhere that. That the medical community couldn't get a hold of. And that's what I wanted to know. But that was on the exterior. That was in the front of my mind. But after it was all over, I realized that I had this deep down fear.
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Jennifer Zelig
If.
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Warwick Schiller
What if he tells her he doesn't like me?
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah. Yep.
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Warwick Schiller
But I don't have that with you coming here because I'm quite at peace with how I'm get along with my horses these days and the interactions I have with them. So, yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I don't have that. Oh, good. What if he tells. What if they tell Emily something bad?
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah, but I think. Because that's a very common fear, and I think it comes when we are in a reality where it all depends on whether we're liked or not. And if you talk to any other species, it's sort of obvious that you. If you're alive, you're part of it. It's not that you can be outside. But abandonment is real for. For the human collective mind, it seems. So if I'm not liked, that's most likely the end of the relationship. And what would be the consequence of that? Maybe you can't keep this horse. It would be a big emotional hurt or you're letting someone down that you love. And it's sort of. There would be a consequence if this horse would somehow express that they don't like you. But I never heard in all the years I've been doing this. And animals say that they can describe that there is lots of things they don't like that we do. But that doesn't mean that there is a dislike of the individual as a person.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, that's like, you know, Brene Brown's description of guilt versus shame. You know, shame being a focus on self like I am stupid, and guilt being a focus on behavior. Behavior like I did something stupid. And they're two totally different things. And they. They lodge. Those words lodge in your body differently. I am stupid. Lodges in your body different. Like then I did something stupid.
- [54:44]
Jennifer Zelig
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Wow. I'm so excited to have you here at the. At the.
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Jennifer Zelig
Yeah, me too.
- [54:50]
Warwick Schiller
At the.
- [54:50]
Jennifer Zelig
Me too. And I can honestly say that I am excited.
- [54:53]
Warwick Schiller
Oh, good, Good. Maybe you'll have another existential crisis. Two in one year is not a bad girl.
- [54:58]
Jennifer Zelig
No, it's not. I remember telling my friend that, well, why not dive into the deepest well you can find twice if you have the chance?
- [55:10]
Warwick Schiller
No, I think. I think after the last one that you. Well, you definitely Won't be having that one again.
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Jennifer Zelig
No, no, no. Not. But that one was necessary. I just. This sense of humor of the universe that I give a lecture about exactly that situation. Not for a minute thinking that it would affect me. I. I don't know. It's very funny.
- [55:35]
Warwick Schiller
Yes. The universe has a sense of humor, doesn't it?
- [55:37]
Jennifer Zelig
Yes, definitely.
- [55:38]
Warwick Schiller
Okay. Well, it's so good to see you again. Thanks so much for joining me and I can't wait to see you here in a couple of months.
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Jennifer Zelig
Thank you so much, really.
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Warwick Schiller
No, thank you. The next presenter I'm going to chat with is Jennifer Zelig. So if you remember, Jennifer was a marine mammal trainer here in California and gave up everything to move to England to study to become a Buddhist nun. So if that's not a great story in itself, I'm not sure what is. But yeah, it was great, great to meet Jennifer and spend time with her at the summit. She's, yeah. Absolutely amazing human. And I. I loved hanging with her and I certainly loved chatting with her in this little catch up. Jennifer, welcome back once again to the Journeyon podcast for our little post summit catch up. How are you?
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Kathy Price
I'm doing really well. I'm coming off the high of the summit and going into a peaceful reflection period. So that feels really. Feels really healthy. Nice. It's nice to see you again.
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Warwick Schiller
You too. It was. It was one of those things where it's a. It's a bit of a high, don't you think?
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Chantelle Pratt
There's no question.
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Kathy Price
There's a huge amount of intensity and a lot of really vibrant people and.
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Christine Dixon
Yeah.
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Kathy Price
I mean, just even the environment that. That theater was beautiful. It was quite an exciting place.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. For me, it was not, you know, the first summit we had in San Antonio, it surprised the heck out of us. You know, we didn't know that that sort of energy was going to show up there. And so it was a bit of a surprise. But since then it's kind of been. For me, it's. It's. It's been like affirmation. The energy's been like affirmation. Like, yes, this is repeatable. If you can get these type of minded people together in a room, the. The magic will. Will happen.
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Chantelle Pratt
Oh, yeah.
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Kathy Price
I think that starts with leadership and the choices that you and Robin are making. It's sort of a remarkable effort that you put in to pull that off and the logistical details and the. And the thoughtfulness of it and the spirit, I think that is underpinning everything.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, mostly that's Robin, I just talked. I just talked to really interesting people.
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Christine Dixon
Yeah, I agree.
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Kathy Price
She really deserves quite a spotlight for what that is, like, what that must be like to put on, really, a standing ovation because it's just a tremendous amount of logistical difficulty. It must be so difficult.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, it would be difficult for me, but that's her superpower. You know, her superpower is her organ. One of her superpowers is her organizational skills. So she just, you know, to her, it's not that big a deal. She think, oh, yeah, whatever. Whereas I'd be pulling. Pulling my hair out.
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Kathy Price
I think, no, it still deserves to be commended. As do you. As do you. For your general spirit. Just to point to the things that are really kind of keystoning or bedrocking everything.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, every one of these summits I've had, I mean, you know, the whole three days is always amazing, but there's always like, one moment or something where, like, I will write something down or remember something. And you were involved in that one this year. We were on stage during one of the discussion panels, and you were sitting on my left, and you were talking about something, and you looked at me and you said, you will not survive this conversation. And I was like, yeah, that's. That's right. You're not the same person at the end of the conversation. You were at the start of the conversation. There's been an exchange of energy, and, you know, each of those sentient beings in the conversation has influenced each other in a way that they come out the other side. They're not the same being that went in there.
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Kathy Price
Yeah, that's right. There's no you that survives any conversation, but especially not conversations that are really, you know, awe inspiring or opening or something like that. New ideas, just kindness, even. I think when you're around a lot of kindness, it changes you physically.
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Warwick Schiller
Did you have a favorite moment or a favorite part of the summit?
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Kathy Price
It definitely has to be the people that I met. I mean, I met just incredible people.
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Warwick Schiller
This is.
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Kathy Price
This is the same thing that everyone says. So it does feel kind of. It does feel kind of silly to repeat it. But the folks that I met, both in the audience, you know, I met a few people here in the UK who I will definitely stay friends with, but also the other speakers, you know, and just getting a chance to. I spend a lot of time with Rupert and Chantal and Emily, and those people all kind of left a stamp in various different ways. You know, I just really appreciate that I got to speak with them so intimately. I Guess. Yeah, yeah, it was impressive group of people and so varied and all of them carrying this kind of, I guess, positive wish for others, you know, and a sense of vulnerability. And that's kind of a. Yeah, that's a changing experience. Those are the kind of things you cherish.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, we've had, we've had some in the past. We've had some big names in the, you know, like human horse consciousness sphere. Come to the, to the summit and they've started out a little standoffish and you know, the story I was telling myself at the time was, oh, you know, they think we're a bunch of whatever's, you know, but it turns out that they are used to being, you know, anytime they go to. Because this is not a horse event, but people think it is related to horses and they, they said anytime they go to a horse event, there's always faction and there's, you know, they're doing it wrong, they're doing it wrong after and after a day, after a day there, they completely bloom and open up and not, I'm saying they bloom there, they're bloomers before they got there, but they, they just let a little bit of that shell that they have when they go out down because they're not the, they're not the weirdo in the room. They're, they're, they're amongst like minded people. Rupert really commented on that the first summit he came to. He said, I've never been to a, been to a so called horse event that there's no factions and I know you're not a horse person so it's, you may not have experienced that.
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Kathy Price
You know, the only thing two animal trainers can agree on is what the third one is doing wrong. You know that saying.
- [63:29]
Warwick Schiller
That's a great saying.
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Kathy Price
It is kind of, kind of a characteristic of I guess situations where you're trying to pass on your style or whatever. Yeah. And actually my enthusiasm has always been to be very outside of that. So I'm kind, I really don't have a brand, I don't have a particular type of community. I've spent a lot of time traversing between the sort of negative reinforcement and positive reinforcement communities, as it were, because I particularly don't like that fractionism. I think there's usually a lot of truth in the different styles that people have. And I think it's a little heartbreaking that we have to divide in that way. Hey, by the way, I see you've.
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Chantelle Pratt
Got a sea lion painting over here. Yes, thank you. That's Cute.
- [64:25]
Warwick Schiller
Behind me on my bookshelf, I have a painting that, that Jennifer gave me. And is it Ariel?
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Kathy Price
Yes, I think it is Ariel.
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Warwick Schiller
Necessity. So it's a painting that Jennifer gave me that her sea lion, Ariel painted. It's a little canvas painting. It's beautiful. Thank you.
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Kathy Price
Yeah, yeah. Come bearing gifts is one of, I don't know, one of my important mantras to remember to practice generosity as a start point to all good interactions. I think generosity is actually that's what the summit was a lot about. Right. You guys invited us all there in a spirit of generosity and that's what carries it, giving.
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Warwick Schiller
And, you know, we wanted you to bring the gifts that you already possessed, but then you went out and you collected some others and gave each other, everybody a gift. So that was really nice too.
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Kathy Price
Yeah, yeah. It's just I, I really, I find having simple practices that you can kind of touch in on to remind yourself who your best self is, to show up with your best self, you know, because we're not all, I mean, none of us, including all the presenters, I think I can say none of us are perfect beings. We aspire very well and sometimes, yeah, sometimes we're able to shine our brightest. But I think it does come from a lot of basic daily practicing, you know, practicing our best, basically.
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Warwick Schiller
So, yeah, and I think in the spirit of the summit, the presenters aren't there speaking from a position of authority. It's almost like they're just, they're just sharing, you know, really sharing their heart and sharing some things they think might help others.
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Kathy Price
Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, I guess it may be that they, they are sort of authorities in certain ways on having gone through major experiences or had insights that, you know, that they feel is meaningful for other people. And so in that way, I don't know, the word authority is kind of a dodgy one in the first place, but they're great representations of various truths and whether, if you want to put that as the word authority, that's maybe a very harsh way of putting it, they still may shine with a particular light, let's say.
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Warwick Schiller
Yes, they do. Did you have any take homes from it? Like, you know, when you got home, did you have some reflections on, on the experience that you wanted to share?
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Kathy Price
Well, I wrote poetry when I came home that had, I think I shared with a group of presenters. I was thinking a lot about the integration of everyone's different vibrant points of view from what position I would take on it from a Buddhist point of view. So I Kind of zoomed out as wide as I could to sort of see the beauty in everyone and incorporate that, which I felt very moved by, moved to the point of writing poetry. So I think that was my biggest. Yeah, my biggest take home was something about the synthesis of our different gifts and how to kind of understand that in language that made sense to me. I mean, there were so many different moments. It would be hard for me to put my finger down on one. I do. Also, I was very interested in Rupert's idea about oxytocin and learning and communication, which, you know, that's in my kind of general wheelhouse. And I found it sort of fascinating his exploration of that, trying to think there. There was a lot. Helen was incredibly, gosh, remarkable person just to be physically around. And she and I bonded over discussions of veterinary medicine, which I'm very interested in compassionate care techniques for animals. And Emily and I. Emily described us as being on two ends of a long string.
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Chantelle Pratt
I can see that that's been.
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Kathy Price
That's been a really.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah.
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Kathy Price
That interaction. And she and I have had a few conversations outside of. This has been really refreshing and interesting. Yeah, she has an inter being point of view that resonates with a lot that I. That I believe in.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, she's certainly super interesting, isn't she?
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Kathy Price
Yeah. The last thing I remember talking about, and I think others have picked up on this, is something about. Or this is how I would look at it. Being full of experience is the same thing as an absence of self. Those two things. So when you think about inter being, what you're thinking, what that experience could be articulated in terms of one description is being full of experience. Being full of experience is an absence of self. So she and I had some conversations around that idea, um, which is. Is definitely at the center of sort of Taoist Buddhist viewpoint.
- [70:24]
Jennifer Zelig
So I don't know.
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Kathy Price
That's. Those are the things that are alive for me from my point of view.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, she. Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I kind of get a bit stuck for words when I come to thinking about Emily. You know, I was. I was. After having. On the podcast, I was so looking forward to. To meeting her. And I was one. You know, I was really curious about what she was going to be like. But, yeah, she didn't disappoint. She's certainly, Certainly amazing human.
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Kathy Price
Yeah. So, you know, I. I feel like each of those beings that we interacted with, they shined in a very. In various ways. And I'll tell you, you and you and I had several interactions and What I notice about your personality in particular is that you're very good at picking out the beauty in others. That's one of your personal super. That's what I'm claiming is one of your personal superpowers because it's, it's like you really shine a light and appreciate the unique differences in there for their own beauty, and you manage to find a way to. To kind of lift that up, which is a quality that I find very, you know, very meaningful and certainly one that. That matters to me a lot as a person that moves between species. That's also what, what I'm looking to see. You know, it's the fundamental goodness in all, all beings and just really looking deeply enough to see where that is. So I think that's one of. That's one of the things I noticed as I interacted with you. That was a very consistent truth. I think it makes you good at this, by the way, what you're doing.
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Warwick Schiller
Thank you. Yeah. The thing is, I think last year at the Australian summit, Jane pike said something about. Jane's very big on accepting compliments or not poo, pooing yourself sort of thing, but I said something about, well, I don't think. I'm not trying to be. I don't know if I said I don't think I'm a good podcaster or an interviewer or I. I don't think I said that. I think I said, I'm not trying to be a good interviewer. And then Jane kind of got all in my face about you have to accept compliments and stuff. And I said, no, it's not, it's not that. It's not that I'm not accepting the comment. I'm not, you know, it's. It's like karma yoga, you know, focusing on a task with no thought of the outcome of the task. I don't. I basically stay curious. I'm not doing. I'm not over analyzing every moment, like, is this a good podcast? Is this a good. Is this a good question? You know what I mean? I'm not thinking about. I'm not thinking about the end of it. I'm in the conversation, I'm curious to chat with, with fascinating people. And so I don't, you know, it's not like I'm trying to get the product to be a thing or what. You know, there's no product here because. But, you know, I'm not trying to make something happen. I'm just in the, in the, in the moment. I think the curiosity, my Curiosity is probably what drives that.
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Kathy Price
Yeah, I mean, I wasn't trying to suggest.
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Chantelle Pratt
I thought it was artificial.
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Kathy Price
I think you naturally look at, at each individual you're talking to and you kind of see something really interesting in them and then you go for that. That seems quite authentic. And yes, you can let it land, my friend. You can let it for real.
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Warwick Schiller
I was going to say you've met the people I interact with. Of course there's interesting stuff there. It's not like I have to dig very far.
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Kathy Price
Don't you think that's true about beings in general? I think it's true about beings in general. I think the issue is mostly having the heart to see that in others. I think even if what you're seeing is like tremendous pain or suffering or there's all kinds of types of beauty and usually openness makes you available to it seems like. So curiosity is a word for openness, I suppose.
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Warwick Schiller
There you go. I've learned something new. Thank you so much. It's been so good to see you again. I hope you're enjoying your bit of a break time. You're still doing more poetry while you're doing that.
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Kathy Price
Oh, yeah. I think poetry comes organically out of experience.
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Chantelle Pratt
So when it, when it hits, it will.
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Kathy Price
And yep, lots of meditation, maybe some travel and just trying to take it peacefully going forward. I'm grateful to see you again as well.
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Warwick Schiller
It's good to see you too. Don't forget to any of this poetry that you write that you feel the need to share on our, on our presenters WhatsApp group. I'd love to see it. More of it.
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Christine Dixon
Good.
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Warwick Schiller
Thank you so much. The next presenter I'm going to chat to is Kathy Price from Wales. And Kathy has been to every single one of the summit. She presented the first one in San Antonio, then she presented the next one in Australia, then she came back to the next one in San Antonio and she also presented at the UK one. So, yeah, Kathy, she's OG Journey on Podcast Summit. And here's my chat with her, Kathy Price. Welcome back once again to the Journey on Podcast in our recap of the UK Journey on Podcast Summit. So it's been, I don't know, it's been a cup, probably three weeks now. Maybe.
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Jennifer Zelig
No idea.
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Christine Dixon
I have no idea what. Thank you so much. I'm back here again, which is feeling like my second home, thanks to you. Yeah, yeah. So it was the first and it's, it's the 20. So it's three weeks. It's coming up to three weeks, yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
So you've been to all of them? All of them. You've been to all the summits so far. So that was the fourth one we've had. What were your impressions of. Of this one?
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Christine Dixon
For me, this one was very similar to the first one. I felt the energy was immense. I actually had the wobbly floor syndrome a couple of times, which was quite pronounced in the first one. I didn't really experience it, you know, much in Australia, but this one, it was really. I just. I don't know, it was mind blowing in the way that all of the talks meshed in together. And, you know, Robin doesn't know what these talks are about. And yet the way that she laid them out was perfection, was absolute perfection. I mean, you couldn't, you couldn't have worked it out better if you knew everything about every talk. That was mind blowing for me. Totally.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. And it's almost like they get, you know, Robin doesn't know what they're going to be talking about and she groups some people together, just however, and it's almost like they were grouped together for a reason because they're all talking about the same thing, even though we don't know what they're going to talk about.
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Christine Dixon
No, that's what I found. I mean, the second day, the morning was the emotional. Oh, my Lord. I mean, that was really something. But everyone bringing that vulnerability, that story with no holds barred, that's what I found. So amazing.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Saturday morning was pretty no holds barred. Jane started it off and then we had. I think Gareth was second and then Helen came after. Helen Spencer came after that. And by. By lunchtime, I think everybody was a blubbering mess.
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Christine Dixon
Yes, we were all emotional wrecks, but it is. Oh, goodness. I mean, and it was quite interesting how this time was the first time where I was one of them and at least Tanya as well. And Gareth rewrites at 4 o'clock in the morning. I mean, Tanya rewrote hers. She didn't know what she was going to say. I met her in the square outside the theater half an hour before her talk and she was like, I really just, you know, just go with it because, you know, her. Her prowess at speaking and coming from the heart and that's what she didn't. I mean, to me that was just total joy listening to her. But for me it was. I was quite happy with the talk I had and I got my slides and everything was going. And then literally I Woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning and thought, nah, have to go deeper. That was the safe option. And it was. I don't know whether it was the energy, what other people have spoken about, because my mind is still a blur. I'd have to go back and watch them all again to know, you know, the. The detail of all. But it was, no, I just have to go there. And it was like, do or die, just do it.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it was, it was, it was. You know, it's probably. I can't put words in your mouth, but, you know, you read rewriting that at 4 o'clock in the morning. What were you on? Saturday afternoon?
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Christine Dixon
No, Sunday morning.
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Warwick Schiller
Sunday morning, yeah. You'd. You'd been there, you'd gone there with the idea, I'm going to talk about this. And then everybody else kind of took it to another level and it wasn't. I imagine it wasn't like you felt. Imagine. It's not that you felt your talk was going to be inferior to theirs, but it was. They opened the door for you to think, I can go deeper, I can. I can share more, I can, yeah, I can go to those places.
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Christine Dixon
There was a need to go where I went and it would. And it just fell into place, you know, literally at 4:00 in the morning, I sat up, laptop up. Okay, this has changed everything. You know, the second half was much the same, but it was. It definitely must have been. The energy had sort of given me the opening to do it and I'm really glad I did. I've got no regrets whatsoever. I mean, it did go quite well at times, but then. Hello. But yeah, it was as it was meant to be and I was so grateful to get the chance to do it.
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Warwick Schiller
Did you have like a favorite moment from the summit or something particularly impactful?
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Christine Dixon
Good question. There was quite a few moments, people's answers to. I mean, I did love the last panel, the Joy and the Mad Tanya and everybody there. That was because it was a perfect end, I thought, to the whole proceedings, the way that. That hit off. But I mean, there were so many moments where people brought forward such deep information and emotion. You know, like we said, the three people on the Saturday morning, they were very impactful for me because I didn't know any of those stories as such. And to see people come through that and what they've experienced and how. And, you know, how they got through the aftermath of all of those things, I think it's massive. They share it with people because it shows people there can be a way through. They were pretty darn cool.
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Warwick Schiller
Who. Who was Your. The person you'd never met before. Who was the. Who was the. Who was. Did you have a. Like, I've got. I've never met them before, but I feel like I've known him all my life.
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Christine Dixon
I've got Helen Spencer, without a doubt.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Christine Dixon
She was like, oh, I've known you before. There was just, you know, straight away. But I mean, I mean, Will I have spoken to before, but it was so lovely to meet him in person.
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Warwick Schiller
He has great energy, doesn't he?
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Christine Dixon
Yeah, yeah. And so deep, you know, Ben Atkinson, we only had him there for one day, but my God, that was a one day, wasn't it? He certainly came forward with some information and of course, Emily.
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Warwick Schiller
Of course Emily.
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Christine Dixon
But that's not doing down anybody else who I haven't mentioned.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, I mean, I had. I had kind of had high expectations of eventually not an expectation of her to perform or whatever, just I had an expectation of who I thought she was going to be in person. And she was exactly that.
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Christine Dixon
Yeah, absolutely.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah.
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Christine Dixon
She. She's so cool. So cool. I mean, this is where I feel so blessed that I'm part of this at that level, to get to meet these people, you know, and I'm, as I've said to you there, you know, the four times that I've been able to go and meet all of these amazing people. But it's also meeting the people in the audience, especially ones that I've worked with. You know, people come up to me and say, oh, hi, I'm so and so. And it's like, oh my God, I've met you. This is brilliant. You know, and there's an exchange of information there and did hug a few people.
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Warwick Schiller
One has to say, you are a prolific hugger.
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Christine Dixon
Oh, it's the best. It's the best. But yeah, to be able to do that is such a. An honor and a sort of a treasure to be able to do that in such a wonderful environment where you're not sort of, oh, my God, what's she doing? Is they come to you without knobs. It's like, yes, come here.
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Warwick Schiller
What did you. So we introduced something new this time, which was the connection circles. What did you. How did you feel they went over?
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Christine Dixon
I loved them, I really did because it definitely gave people a chance to speak. And I like the format where there was no discussion, you know, there was no reply or no discussion about anything. People could just feel free and. But nobody had to because, you know, I was present, held one and then there were two more and There were a couple of people who didn't speak. They were obviously part of it. You could see, and they were in the emotion of it and they felt it, but they didn't feel a need. They had to say something, which I think, again, is very freeing that there's not an expectation. It's there if you wish.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. There's the no expectation of sharing anything. And there's the. When you do share something, no one's going to try to fix it for you. It's just. It is just being heard and.
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Christine Dixon
Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting, you know, some of the things that were coming through and so much emotion with it that people felt free to express that as well, that they didn't feel. They had to keep the stiff up a lip. They were in it.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I was. I've had. I had several of them to where someone shared something and then kind of. It's almost like they snapped out of a dream and they looked around and they said, I've never told that to anybody in my entire life. That's pretty powerful when that happens.
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Christine Dixon
It's pretty powerful. And I think it shows the ethos, the power. I don't know what word is correct behind these summits is you have people of a similar ilk coming with no expectation, because a lot of people have never been to them. Yes, they might have watched them before, but nobody knows what anyone's going to speak about. They're not sort of going, oh, great, this is going to be, you know, the third talk in is going to be on something. And so they're open to whatever's there. And I just feel that that is something that is very powerful and affects people like that, that they almost relax into it. And that's when they can be themselves and really share things that are a deep and personal level, knowing they're in a safe place, knowing they're not going to be judged. And they feel for me anyway. When you can sort of get something like that off your chest, when you can speak. Speak your truth, it's a very powerful thing to be able to do.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I. I loved how they went over. You know, we. Robin and I stole them from Michael Franti's Soul Shine retreat in Bali we went to in February. And we loved being a part of them. We thought, we're going to try it at the summit, and it's not. No longer on the try list. It's the. Gotta keep that.
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Christine Dixon
Yeah, it's a part. Yeah, I think it'll be a very treasured part as well.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, most certainly. Well, it's been great catching up with you. Thanks so much for joining us. Got any last parting words or thoughts on the summit?
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Christine Dixon
No, just. Well, as I said, thank you, thank you, thank you. I feel totally blessed and grateful to be able to have spoken at three of them. I'll just say, you know where I live. Okay. When the next one's on. Now it's just gratitude at every level because what an opportunity to be part of something like that. So always grateful for it. Thank you.
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Warwick Schiller
Very grateful for having you. Grateful for you sitting down beside me at the pub many years ago and telling me a crazy story that started all this.
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Christine Dixon
Who knew? Who knew?
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Warwick Schiller
Who knew? Okay, well, it's great chatting with you. Thanks so much. And I will. I suppose I'll be talking to you soon.
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Emily Kotter
Yay.
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Christine Dixon
Take care, my lovely. Cheers. Thank you.
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Warwick Schiller
Bye bye.
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Christine Dixon
Bye.
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Warwick Schiller
The next presenter I'm going to chat with is Christine Dixon. And, you know, if you've ever listened to the podcast with Christine, you know the depth of wisdom that she has. And at the podcast summit in England, when she presented there, she shared her story and her whole story. It was, it was quite moving and a real testament to the human spirit and how far people can come. You know, to look at her these days would have no idea that her background was like. It was. But, yeah, Christine was, she's been at all the podcast summits. She was a spectator at the first one, but we drug her up on stage the last day and then she presented at the. The one here in the US last year and then she presented the one in the uk and yeah, such an amazing human. And here's my little chat with Christine. Christine Dixon, welcome back to the Journey On Podcast for our post UK summit. Catch up. How are you?
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Chantelle Pratt
I'm wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, it was, it was, it was fun. It's been a. It's been a few weeks now, and you and I actually just did a retreat together here at our Journey On Ranch this past weekend. So it's not like we haven't seen each other for a while, but the purpose of this chat is to talk a little bit about the, the podcast summit in the uk. And you've, you know, you were, you were kind of in a guest, you were kind of a presenter at the first podcast summit in San Antonio. You were actually there just to watch. And then we decided we wanted to get you up on stage the last day and so you presented there, then you presented at the one last year, and then you presented the UK one. How did. How did you feel this one was. What was your experience like with this one compared to the rest of them?
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Chantelle Pratt
I feel like. First one was like a rocket taking off. I mean, that one still to this day, that one was just like, wow, what are we doing here? You know, what is this thing? How lucky are we all to be at the beginning of whatever this is coming to be? Because you felt. It's kind of like, you know, I. One of my favorite bands started here in LA and I got to see them in small venues. And every time I got to see them in these small venues, I would think of how lucky I was because I was like, there's no way they're going to stay in these small venues. So how cool to be able to see them up close and personal. And that's kind of how I feel about this summit. I don't know where it's going to go, but it's got. There's so much energy and wisdom and community and just. It's just a space that I don't know where anything like it exists. I mean, maybe there is and I just don't know about it.
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Warwick Schiller
But.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah, it's pretty special.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, it's funny, when we finished that, right at the very end of the summit in the UK on the Sunday afternoon, when I left the building, Leslie Desmond, who had come along to watch, left the building with me too. And she was saying something about, once again, how amazing it was that she said, where are you going to go with this? And I said, leslie, I'll give you a quote that I read a little while ago. I don't know where we're going, but I know how to get there. It's like, just keep doing this thing. I don't know what it's going to turn into, but doing that again and again is going to do something. But, yeah, I don't know where we're going, but I know how to get there.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah, this one in the UK was. It's so funny because my UK friends were like saying to me, oh, the Brits can be so buttoned up and you really gotta reach in and crack them open. And I didn't experience that at all. Everyone there was so warm and open and brilliant in their own right, that there was just an instant cohesion and feeling of friendship amongst everyone there. And. And that is the other thing I really love, is that there's no velvet rope. We all hang out in the same room between speakers, between presentations. We did our connection circles. So I think about, you know, I think about, I think about the TED talk, right, how that create that started and how lucky I always felt like, how lucky are the people that get to attend those or speak at those. Because how often do you get to be in a room with all these brilliant minds with sometimes similar, sometimes very different outlooks and sharing is of experiences and stories and research and, and how that affects all of us in how excited we get about what's possible for ourselves. You know, they talk about, you know, if you're in the, in a room and you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. And this is that opportunity for us to all be in rooms with people who are going to show us things we didn't know and lift us up and are smarter than us in the areas that they're in or smarter in a different way than the areas that we're in.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, that's the cool thing about it. It's not like a, it's not like a linear thing to where you're in a room full of people that are smarter than you. It's, it's almost like a big circle to where some of you know, the people in the room that you think are smarter than you all think you're smarter than them. And it's, you know, because you've got these different areas that you've, these different rabbit holes you've been down and someone else has been down a rabbit hole you haven't been down, and so you think they're much smarter than you, but you've been down a rabbit hole they haven't been down. And yeah, and yeah, it's a bit like, it's a bit like that. It's not, it's definitely doesn't feel linear, it feels very circular.
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Christine Dixon
It does.
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Chantelle Pratt
And I think about Napoleon Hill talks about mastermind groups. You know, there's these brilliant books from people in Silicon Valley talking about flow state and how getting around like minded people creates this energy where new ideas and information have a place to come into the world. And I think about that with the summit because I watch mastermind groups get created at these summits between participants, between presenters, between a mixture of both.
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Christine Dixon
And.
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Chantelle Pratt
That I always think about what's going to come out of that, what's going to be brought into the world out of that, that's going to help the collective, help all of us.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I think there's been lots of mastermind groups coming on that you actually, you and I are actually going to Be part of one here. We're doing a retreat here in about six weeks, is it?
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Chantelle Pratt
No, four.
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Warwick Schiller
Four weeks here at our ranch. So you. Dr. Jessica White Plume, previous podcast guest, and Robin and I are going to do a. A retreat. And it's called, what, from the Ground to the Stars. Yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be so cool. But that's just one of the. There's been so many collaborations. You know, after the. After that summit in the uk, who went to Kathy's and did a retreat?
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Chantelle Pratt
Jane. Jane Pike.
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Warwick Schiller
Jane pike did. All right. The reason I had to ask that is because you guys all went over there. So you went there. Denise Elizabeth Byron went over there, didn't she? Yes. Did Tanya Kennersley go over there, too? Did she go home?
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Chantelle Pratt
No, it was Kathy Price, myself, Jane Pike, Denise Byron and her husband.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. So, you know. And, you know, Jane and Rupert Isaacson had. Had teamed up and done some retreats together. Kathy and Tanya, I believe, have done some.
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Jennifer Zelig
And you went to Bali.
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Warwick Schiller
That's right. You and Kathy went to Bali, did a retreat. And then I think there was another group up at Tanya's place. It might have been Jane. Kathy and Jane.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. And then I don't think it actually happened, but there was a plan for Shalan Harkin, Emily K's daughter, and one. Lucy Grace. Grace, yeah. To do a retreat at Emily's place in Sweden. So there's. Yeah, there's just been all these. These kind of mastermind groups formed out of. Out of. Well, that one. Those guys I hadn't even met. Mostly they're people who've come together at the summit. Those guys haven't been to the. They hadn't actually. Hadn't met yet. But, yeah, when I heard that, that was like. Remember back. What was the super group they made back in the 90s, which was. Was it Velvet Revolver?
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Chantelle Pratt
Oh, yeah, wasn't it?
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Warwick Schiller
It was like the lead singer of one amazing band and the lead guitarist from another band and a bassist from another band and then the drummer from another band.
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Chantelle Pratt
Slash was in it.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, Slash was in it. Or the Traveling Wilburys, where had George Harrison and. And whoever was in Roy Orbison and, you know. Yeah, it's a bit like Audio Slave.
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Chantelle Pratt
Audio Slave was what, Chris Cornell and what was the guitar player from Rage against the Machine.
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Warwick Schiller
You're from la, you might know that more than I do. Oh, by the way, who was your favorite band that you saw in small venues that got bigger?
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Chantelle Pratt
They were. They were called Vintage Trouble.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay.
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Chantelle Pratt
So vintage Trouble. Just amazing, in fact. So Ty Taylor, who is the singer? I don't know if anybody ever watched the reality show when they were looking for a new singer for Queen.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't see it, but I know of it. Yeah.
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Chantelle Pratt
So I think Adam Lambert actually won that, but Ty Taylor with one of the finalists in that. Yeah. Amazing singer. Yeah. The band is just amazing.
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Warwick Schiller
Wow. So another something new that we had at the summit this year was the Connection Circles. And you've been to. Like I said, you've been to. That's your third summit. How did you. What did you think of the Connection Circles? And how do you think they affected the mood or the energy of the summit?
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Chantelle Pratt
I love the Connection Circles. I love them because I felt like they were such a great way to integrate what everybody experienced that day by being able to share how they experienced it in a group that was really open and wanting to hear each other's experience. Right. So, you know, some people come with people to these things and know people. Some people come on their own. And I think by having the Connection circle, starting from day one, it created more cohesion. And then even if you came alone, you certainly didn't feel alone after the Connection Circle. And you had got your people, you got more people, and it was different Connection Circles each day. So it. It really helped to integrate. And I think you had brought up in a past podcast the idea about to really. To really learn something, that one of the high one. One of the advanced ways of learning is to teach it to someone else. And I think there's a piece of that, that when you verbalize something you've experienced, it causes a different part of your brain to turn on and to start to line up how your perception is taking in the information. And by being able to share that, it locks it in a bit more and starts to really get your own wheels turning. At least that's what I experienced and what I felt like I was seeing around me.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. And the other part, I think it is the vulnerability part, too. And it almost seems like, you know, in the Connection Circles, there's no order. It's not like you go around to the left, around to the right or whatever. It's like whoever wants to talk, and it's almost like the people that have something really heavy on their heart that they would like to talk about, but it's almost. It's too much for this. They kind of hang back, but by the time a lot of other people have gone, they're like, oh, No, I could, I could share this with them because someone else has shared something like that with me and yeah, I actually loved it. I thought it was very much in the spirit of the whole thing and added a great deal to it.
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Chantelle Pratt
It was really cool. Also, I mean, I don't know if you talked about this with anyone else, but to watch how some of the presenters will get invited to a lot of things and got invited to this and they said yes, I'm sure they were, you know, excited to do it, but really had no idea what this was. Watching them just looking around wide eyed and, you know, with their hand almost on their heart going, what is this? You know, and I want more of this, you know, I want more of this in my own life. That was really cool. I, There was one thing that when I knew I was going to be talking to you about this, I was thinking, you know, how do you, how do you talk to other people about something that is the intangible aspect of this? Because it's not just, you know, A plus B equals C. There's a, there's a real vein of intangible magic that kind of runs current, that runs through this and it is really hard to describe. And you know, when you asked me last year, I think I could barely just go like, oh, it was wonderful, amazing, great. Like there wasn't a lot of being able to articulate, articulate what comes out of it. And I think about Elizabeth Gilbert talking about, in her book Big Magic. She talks a lot about formal education and about how people, when they follow their curiosity to try and find their purpose or expand on their purpose or what is the next thing or how do I, you know, go deeper into my own journey. They run up against this idea that formal education, if they were to go to college, you know, if they were going to go back to school or go to school for the first time and go to college, they and everyone in their life would probably, you know, clap their hands and say, this is wonderful. And they could go, you know, especially in America, you go way in debt doing that. But to do things that light them up, maybe in a weekend, maybe in a course, maybe in something that is not attached to formal education. There's all of this idea of it being extra, you know, that's just extra stuff. And do I have, you know, the resources for that extra stuff that if it was something that's informal education, it would be no, a no brainer. And so many people like Elizabeth talked about how people would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get an art degree from an artist professor who never went to college because they did all these other things to learn their craft and play around with it and learn bits from here and bits from there. So I just. I'm going to this next summit because I always want to be in this energy. If it's possible for me to go, I don't have to be speaking. I want to be in that. And I just think that this is so special that the more people may be able to move and shift their limiting beliefs around what they can and cannot do, they take that energy out into the world, too. And this is unconscious. Like.
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Warwick Schiller
What is it? What was it?
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Chantelle Pratt
What were the things that we. What were the things that we did at the beginning that we did? The last retreat, where you wrote down what you giving yourself permission for, It's a permission slip. So it's like as soon as you give yourself a permission slip and you get to see how this expands you, there are so many other areas that you may jump in and try that are going to expand and make your life better and make your ideas of what's possible for yourself grow.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. You know, and on that vein, your talk at this summit was, you know, it was very vulnerable. You shared your kind of life story and you've lived some experiences. And I was talking to one of the other presenters afterwards who never met you before, and they basically said, listening to her tell her story on stage, if I heard that story about someone else, I mean, basically they were saying they cannot believe the person in front of them is the person who lived that story. And, you know, I think I opened the summit saying that the podcast people, the feedback you get a lot about the podcast is people are either validated or inspired. I think your talk probably did both of them. But, you know, especially the inspired part, like, if you can come out the end of that life look like acting, being who you are in the world, then, you know, there's no excuse to let life circumstances get you down.
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Chantelle Pratt
That was really at the heart of my intention and telling it was that working with people over the years, a lot of times people who have a lot of trauma or, you know, really have experienced things that would make them feel like they're operating at a deficit. The mind is always looking at the people that create the life that they want and go, yeah, but they didn't have this or they didn't have that. So part of the point in me sharing was to hopefully there would be people that would see what I experienced as bigger than what they've experienced and allow it to shrink down and see that it doesn't really matter where you came from. Actually, where you came from could be a reason why. It could be the gas in your gas tank to propel you forward.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, most certainly. It's kind of like. It's kind of like shamans. They say most shamans have, you know, had some sort of terrible trauma in their life, and that's the springboard that has them go, you know, it's the. It's the wounded healer archetype. It's the. You know what I mean? And it's basically what you were talking about before, about the college professor who's teaching all these art students, but he never went to college because he's lived the art life. You've lived. Definitely lived enough for a couple of lives, but, you know, you've had some pretty amazing life experiences that probably a lot of people would not survive. So. And then you've. You've flourished. So I think that, you know, that I. You. You know, there were several of the tick talks that were just so moving, and yours was. Yours was one of them.
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Jennifer Zelig
Thank you.
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Chantelle Pratt
I appreciate that.
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Warwick Schiller
I.
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Chantelle Pratt
It was very vulnerable for me. And it's funny, I think.
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Christine Dixon
When I.
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Chantelle Pratt
Was on your podcast, I brought up that whole method acting thing that Marlon Brando did, where he had used his brother's death as what he would use to cry in scenes. And I feel like writing that and working on that and having to go lay down, you know, and writing it and working on it and then having to go lay down. By the time I was on this stage, I think I had worked through a portion of the feeling of being exposed that comes from sharing your story.
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Christine Dixon
Because.
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Chantelle Pratt
Anytime we share something, there's always the opportunity that someone may not take it in the spirit that it. It is intended. So. But I would say that that room is probably the most supportive room to start that process in. So that was a real gift.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, it was very. So if you guys listening, if you hadn't heard the story about Marlon Brando, he. His brother died when he was younger, and Marlon Brando, when he had to cry in a scene, he would think about his brother, and he could cry at the job of hat thinking about that. But the story goes that he did it so many times that he got to the point to where, thinking about his brother passing away, he didn't cry anymore. He healed that wound through the retelling of it. And what you were saying a minute ago about you getting ready for it, it's the same with Robin when she did hers, her TED Talk Tick talk in Australia last year. Was that last year now? Wow. Yeah, last year about her ice bath journey. But a part of that was sharing about her. Her mother's cancer diagnosis and then eventually passing away. And in the practicing of that talk, she. I think she grieved quite a bit that she hadn't actually grieved. And. And I think her doing that talk was actually part of her grieving and healing process from a mum passing away. So I could see how that's kind of similar with yours too.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yeah. Now I have to go watch that because I realize I have not watched that yet.
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Warwick Schiller
It's. She did such a great job. I mean, I got to watch her practice it and I, I don't know how many times she practiced it in front of me before. I didn't cry while she was practicing it, and I think I still cried at the summit when she. She did it, but it was. Yeah, no, she did such a great job. It was amazing. I was very proud of her.
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Chantelle Pratt
It was wonderful being able to spend the weekend with her and this past weekend. And let me tell you, if you get to go to a retreat at the Schillers and expect the most gourmet, amazing food, you know, a la Robin Schiller. I mean, making you grilled cheese with brie and fresh blackberries and fresh salad, like three different kinds of salads. And, you know, what was it? A lavender blueberry iced tea that was made with the sun and like, I can't even go on and on.
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Warwick Schiller
Like, every detail had our lavender in it too. That she, she picked.
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Chantelle Pratt
Yes. Yeah, she's. She's amazing.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Jennifer Zelig
That was another skill.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Getting back to the summit, did you have any other, any other comments you wanted to make about your experience there?
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Chantelle Pratt
I. I came away from the summit being energized for the future. It really, it really, I. It made me. It reminded me that a lot of times in our lives, especially for people who are working either a career or are entrepreneurs, there's, there's an isolation that can happen in that because most of the people that you are working with are one on one. You don't have a lot of colleagues to refill your cup. And it was that reminder that to be inspired in our work, we have to have our cup refilled. And going to these events and going to retreats and all of those things and collaborating with other people that I look up to, that refills my cup in a big way. And it's absolutely necessary and beautiful that I have that option now. So thank you for living your life.
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Warwick Schiller
Thanks for being a part of it. You know, that's the, that's the great for me, that's the great thing about, you know, I'm just the host of the, this the Podcast Summit, and I get to be up close with all the action. And yeah, it certainly refills my cup, too.
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Chantelle Pratt
And I think everyone's.
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Warwick Schiller
Awesome. Okay, well, it's been great seeing you on the weekend and thanks for catching up with me this morning. And well, I'll see you very soon in four weeks when, when you and Dr. Jessica White plume come here for the from the Ground to the Stars.
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Christine Dixon
Yes.
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Chantelle Pratt
And then I'll see you in seven weeks when I'm back up there for the Journey on Podcast Summit.
- [118:00]
Warwick Schiller
For the U.S. journey on podcast Summit. Yeah, that'll be cool.
- [118:02]
Chantelle Pratt
You can't get rid of me at this point.
- [118:04]
Warwick Schiller
Yeah, we don't want to get rid of you. We kind of like having you around.
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Jennifer Zelig
Me, too.
- [118:10]
Warwick Schiller
Okay. Thank you.
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Chantelle Pratt
You're welcome. Thank you so much.
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Warwick Schiller
So if you guys want to check out the replay of the podcast summit in the uk, you can just go to our summit website, which is summit.warwickshiller.com and you can purchase the recording of that whole summit in there. And we've broken it up into we've got it in days to where you can just watch the whole day or you can watch it by speaker and you can also watch it by panel discussion. And on that same website, you can also get tickets if you would like, for our Journey on Podcast Summit coming up in October in Paso Robles, California. And the presenter list for that just goes on and on and on. We've got Stacy Westport, Kelly Wendorf, Donega Markagad, Jesse Osborne, Tom Mays, Leif Halberg, Kim Kazir, Sherrod, Francis Ullman, Brandon O'Reilly, Amelia K's daughter, Hannah Betts, Jordan Anna, Jordana Annawalt, Sarah Louise, Lily Sue Baghini, Shalan Harkin, Noni Boone, Sarah Fleming, Mary Corning and Carmen Theobald. And if you have listened to any or all of those podcasts, you'll be about as flabbergasted as I will with the the wisdom that's going to come out of these people in both their tick talks, their Teach, Inspire, Connect talks, and also the the panel discussion. So at that summit, you know, all the summits, we have a meet and greet the night before. So the Thursday night and this year, because we're having the Summit in our hometown of Paso Robles, California. We're actually going to have the meet and greet at the Journey On Ranch. So we'll be doing that out here on, we'll be doing ranch tours during the day Thursday and have the meet and greet from probably 4 to 6 that evening. And the meet and greet's great because, you know, the people that come along to the summit have listened to these amazing people and just can't wait to hear what they have to say. But at the meet and greet, you get to meet them face to face, hang out with them and it's kind of like that the whole weekend. It's, it's, you know, Christine Dixon in that last little segment there said there's no velvet rope, there's no us and them. You know, I have found that all the presenters are fans of all the other presenters and fans of the, of the spectators and the spectators are fans are all of all of the, these presenters. And yeah, it's just amazing collaborative effort and I'm so with that, you know, with that lineup. I'm so looking forward to it. So hopefully you guys can join us there and we'll catch you on the next episode of the Journey on podcast.
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Chantelle Pratt
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