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Lauren Wingate
Journey on the magic lies within the trails we ride.
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Warwick Schiller
You're listening to the Journey on podcast with Warwick Schiller. Warrick is a horseman trainer, international clinician and author who helps empower horse people from all over the world with the skills, knowledge and mindsets needed to create trusting partnerships with their horses. Warrick offers a free seven day trial to his comprehensive online video library that includes hundreds of full length training videos and several home Study courses@videos.warwickshiller.com.
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G' day everyone. Welcome back to the Journey on podcast. I'm your host, Warwick Schiller and my guest this week is a lovely lady named Lauren Wingate. So Lauren is an intuitive mentor and animal communicator with over 25 years of experience. And you know, I've had a number of animal communicators on here and I don't really have them on there because they're animal communicators. I have them on here because they, you know, they have tapped into senses that I believe were normal for all of us at one point in time. And, you know, that sort of stuff interests me. So it's always interesting for me to, to find out how did those senses come to them? What was the path to them having those, you know, those, what we might call extra sensory perceptions. And Lauren's story is, is no different. Like every one of these ones I talked to, it's, it's amazing how they got there. But yeah, Lauren's story is no different. Love, love. Listen to how people got, got these senses developed and yeah, like I said, Lawrence was no different. Hope you guys enjoy this listen to this one as much as recording it. Laura Wingate, welcome to the Journey on podcast.
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Lauren Wingate
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
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Warwick Schiller
I'm excited to have a chat with you. So whereabouts in the world are you living at the moment?
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Lauren Wingate
I live in Tryon, North Carolina, where we are fortunate to have lots of disciplines among the horses here in the culture.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful green place. That's where they had the World of question games in 2018 and my wife and I both went there and yeah, what a, what a beautiful part of the country. But I'm not sure I could handle humidity though, that's so humid.
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Lauren Wingate
It's really hard. It takes the body, I would say a good two to three years to finally make peace with it.
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Warwick Schiller
And how long have you been there?
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Lauren Wingate
I've been here about eight years.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh really? And you're not used to it yet?
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Lauren Wingate
No, well, I, fortunately I Am from California, and I go back to California, and I'm always reminded how. How fabulous the weather was when I lived there. So.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, I've never really lived anywhere that's humid. You know, where I'm from in Australia, the climate's very similar to where we are here in California. You know, hot, dry summers and damp sort of winters, you know, like foggy cold, you know, where it can be 48 degrees, you know, 8 degrees Celsius, and you're freezing cold because it's. There's so much moisture in the air. So I'm used to, you know, dry heat and damp cold. But that damp heat, that wears me out.
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Lauren Wingate
That's. That's the coastal part of California, especially Northern California.
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Warwick Schiller
Yes, Very nice. And you've been there eight years?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, In. In this year. I mean, in Tryon, I've been here three.
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Warwick Schiller
Right. What. What led you from the west coast to the East Coast?
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Lauren Wingate
I had a family member who was struggling with cancer, so I came to support, and I just stayed.
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The people here are wonderful.
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Not that they aren't in California, but I just found new roots.
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Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it's beautiful. Beautiful part of the world. So why don't you. Why don't you tell our listeners what exactly you do at the moment in life, and then I want to unravel. How did you. How did you get to that point? What. What led you. What was the path that led you to doing what you're doing?
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Lauren Wingate
So I'm an animal communicator, and I'm also an intuitive mentor, and I have been doing Both for about 25 years. What I do now is I help people strengthen the bond with their horses while creating meaningful personal transformation in all relationships of their lives. So I've really honed my skills and brought both of those disciplines into one place, which I'm super excited about.
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Warwick Schiller
So you've been doing that for 25 years?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, both of them separately. And then I started this new program in June of 25.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay, and what were you doing before those 25 years?
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Lauren Wingate
I was. I've done so many things. I've been in marketing, communications. I've sold real estate.
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I have.
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One of my degrees is in commercial interior design with a concentration in architecture. Just a lot of different things. But what led me to this, I was taking a Reiki class in the Bay Area, and the women that were teaching me this said, hey, we're going to a horse show. And this was in Portola Valley, and why don't you come with us? Oh, okay. You Know, I wasn't hanging out. I had ridden a bit when I was younger. I've had this gift since I was a child and something told me not to ever share it, so I didn't. And I just always kept it to myself. So here I was in my late 20s and I go out to this show and it was a hunter jumper show and I was watching this woman and she was warming up her horse and all of a sudden it was kind of like a radio dial tuned in and the horse just started talking to me. And I looked at these two women and I said, that horse is talking to me. And they said, oh, well, what's he saying? I said, well, he's telling me that he hasn't been warmed up enough and that his left shoulder is sore now. I don't know anything about horses at this point, really. Is he sharing anything else? So that was the beginning of my journey into animal communication. And I stepped into it very trepidatiously because I, I was so afraid of being judged. And back in the day, people weren't talking about energy and nobody talked about that. And so what I was doing was considered very woo. And I, I, but I trudged along and I just started working with all animals, not just specifically horses, and then ended up getting my own horses and moving more into the equestrian side of life. And it's just been really profound and powerful. And what horses have taught me, what they teach all of us, how that works for me is when I, when I meet a horse or any animal.
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I kind of meet them beyond the.
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Three dimensional space and it's sort of fourth dimension, if you will, or whatever dimension you want to call it. And I meet them, I call it the energy room. Because horses communicate to us through energy and they're always dialing into our energy, whether we're aware of it or not. And it's in that space that I'm able to communicate with them. And then further is that my work is very heart centered. So when I am completely dialed into my heart, which I am when I work with animals, they're much more apt to communicate with me. They want to go on that vibration with me. That's the highest vibration we have in our bodies, is the heart. And horses respond like that to it. I can share a really interesting story that brings this to light. And it happened with a client a few weeks ago here. And I work with people worldwide, whether it's on the phone or in person. This person was in person and I had done one session with her and had Gone back out to her farm. In the first session, I always dial into the person in this new venture I've started, the transformation triangle. And the second session I said, okay, I really want to just work with one of your horses. So we were standing in an open paddock, the gate was open to the pasture. She had two horses.
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Warwick Schiller
So this was in person. This was not a.
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Lauren Wingate
This is an in person. Yeah, that I did, I don't know, a month ago. And I am just told, I get out of the way, I'm told what to do, basically. And she said, okay, well, do I need to get a halter weed rope? No. And I'm thinking, why wouldn't I want that? And so we're standing in the paddock and I started dialing into her mayor, which. Who was an Arab mayor, be still my heart. And I just dialed into her in that place that I go. And she looked up, came walking into the paddock. As I said the gate was open. She comes from behind me, takes her head and just rests it full bore on my shoulder and just stayed there for the longest time. Why? Because she wanted to be in that energy. She wanted to be a part of this. I'd never met this horse before. And the owner's standing there with her, you know, mouth open, like, what? I've never seen my horse do this. And it's.
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It'S part of the beauty.
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Of this work and where I like to communicate with the horse. I never touched the horse. I was told not to by powers that be. And I just stood there and she stayed for the longest time, dropped her eye. And as I'm sure you're well aware, a horse head is quite heavy. But I stood my ground and. And then she, she walked off. And so we talked for a while, the owner and I, and then she came back and again wanted to be a part of this and came around to the front and just took her head and put it on my chest like I want more of this. So that's part of the power and the beauty of this. And what I try to teach my clients to shift their lens so they start looking at the world through a heart centered place, because that's where the power is. And that is not an easy thing for people to do. They don't want to go into their hearts. It's too vulnerable in there. They'll tap in to love, a partner, a spouse, a child, a friend, and then they bounce back out.
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They don't live there.
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They live in their heads. Right. And that's not where the keys are, especially if you want to have a really good relationship with your horse. So if you can go into your heart, and I teach people how to do that, I mean, that's where your passion is. That's where love is. That's where truth is. And I'll tell you, as you well know, one thing a horse really loves, it's truth. They want to live in truth. And if you're not showing up as that person, they're not interested. They don't want to be a part of that. Right. And, I mean, it happens every single time. And this is true with, with all animals, but horses specifically are very spiritual beings. And it's.
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They.
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They sit a little higher. If you want to look at an energy hierarchy. They. They definitely sit higher than dogs and dogs higher than cats, but cats have their. Their own. They're very different from dogs and horses. Right.
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And.
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But I love to read them. I mean, they fascinate the heck out of me. And so that's part of the power of this work. But why I shifted from just doing animal communication and just doing intuitive mentorship was because I just started falling in love with the connection of the two. I wanted to raise that up because there's so much more beauty there. And when I work with my clients, I prep them before they go to the barn. So whether the barn is on their.
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Property or whether they drive to the.
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Barn, I want them in their hearts. So I teach them an exercise of how to be in their hearts. And I say, those feet don't come out of the truck until you are well within your heart, because that's where you're going to meet your horse. And that's where the relationship starts to change. So a lot of people want to dial in. And, you know, I get calls all the time. What's wrong with my horse? So it's like, well, it start dialing in, and it's. It's not the horse. Typically, the horse is responding to whatever anxiety their owner is bringing to them. And this key or new way that I have shifted my business is having a profound effect on these relationships. So my passion is to give animals a free voice. And I have that gift in order to do that. And my passion is to read people. Well, the biggest passion is to create that. That triangle. So the. The apex of the triangle is the relationship. One point is the person, one point is the horse. And that's where we start taking this into a. A truly glorious direction. It's. It's next level without question.
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Warwick Schiller
Super cool. I want to ask you about that horse at the, at the show. It probably was. It was at the horse park in Woodside. Or was it. No, that. Well, it doesn't really matter. But, but when that, when that horse spoke to you, what, what of the, the, you know, the, the clear sentience kick, Claire. Consciousness. What, what. How did you get that message? Is it a knowing, is it a, is it a somatic sensation? Is it a picture? Is it words? How does, how did that, how did that come to you on that day?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, to be honest, I'm not sure it came through audibly first. So, okay, as, as I shared with the two women that were there, it was like a radio dial being tuned in, in your car, whatever. Where, Oh, I want this station. Oh, that's not quite clear. That's not quite. I got to dial in, dial in. And at that point is the best way I know to describe what that was. As I started working with this and playing with this, then it, it wasn't just words, it was visions. It was body sensation, both from me and the animal.
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And.
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As I say, meeting them in that energy space. And when I say I get out.
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Of the way, I get out of.
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The way because I don't want to be in my head. I want the full experience through the heart. That's the lens that is the most accurate for me to be able to read them. And they are loaded with visions. They read our visions, especially horses. Dogs are like constantly checking in with our energy. Constant, constant. And horses do too. It's just in a bit of a different way.
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So you have to be present.
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I mean, especially when you're hanging out with a thousand pound animal, you have to be present. And where is presence? Where's presence? It's in your heart. And when you start going there, that's when all this information starts coming through. Because that is where your intuition lives in your body.
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Warwick Schiller
I heard a great saying the other day. It said your intuition will speak to you in statements and your anxiety will speak to you in questions.
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Lauren Wingate
Anxiety.
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Warwick Schiller
So like the way I took it was intuition will say, we should do this. Your anxiety will say, should we do this? You know, one's a statement, one's a question, right?
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Lauren Wingate
And I agree with that. Because when you start talking about your intuition versus your anxiety, now you're starting to talk hormones. And so when you go into your anxious mode, that's when cortisol kicks in.
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And you can't think.
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The same thing happens with the horses and you want to bring the horse down to that. Dopamine level where they're receptive and they can stand, sometimes they can't. I mean, horses have to walk in order to recalibrate and get rid of the cortisol. It's not that they want to stay.
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There, they don't like it.
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And so that statement rings true here. But if the person goes out to their horse and they're loaded with anxiety of all these things, they've been thinking, you know, oh, I have to go to the grocery store after this, I have to go pick up Johnny.
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I have to do this, I have to do that.
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Well, you're now, you're not present with your horse, right? And so if, if you go into your heart, all that stuff disappears and that's where you're going to meet that horse. So if the horse is having, maybe they just got, I don't know, chased by another horse or they're having an anxiety moment, which they hate, and then you show up with that, where's that going to go? Kind of spells disaster versus you showing up as the leader in that space. And like that. Mayor, I, I, I have another way cool story that you're going to love that took place in Carmel Valley.
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That.
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Allows the horse, you're giving that horse the space to relax like that. Mayor Resting her head is like, oh my gosh, this feels so good. I just want to be a part of this. It's like, bring it, come be a part of this. Come enjoy these moments and, and this.
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Is where we'll communicate.
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Does that make sense?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. So I want to go back to. You said you had this gift as a child.
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Lauren Wingate
Yes.
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Warwick Schiller
How did, what's your earliest memory of knowing that you could receive these messages?
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Lauren Wingate
I was a super, super sensitive child and grew up in a rather violent home. So there wasn't an area where you could just sort of have your moment of just being. It's kind of like fight or flight, right?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, you're always on it and that, you know, you think about, think about things like, think about, you know, I've read lots of stuff about shamans and, and things like that and a lot of times and people have had on the podcast who have, you know, what most people would think of as extra sensory abilities. A lot of times there's, there's been, you know, a lot of dysfunction in the childhood. And I'm wondering if, you know, being on high alert all the time for danger also tunes you into being high alert to just all the energies, whether they're, they're dangerous or not dangerous. So it's you know, it's, it's, it's almost like it's, you know, a lot of times that your trauma is your gift. Your trauma is your, you know, because you may not have found your gift if you weren't on high alert all the time, you know.
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Lauren Wingate
Right. Yeah.
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And so I'll address energy field in a second. But when I was 13, I had this amazing vision in my backyard that I will never forget. And that was my first. Oh my gosh, what is going on here? And what do I do with this? I'm not telling anybody about this because I'll be chastised and et cetera. But back to the, the energy field and what's fascinating, what I teach my clients and this is scientific fact that we are all walking energy fields and our field goes out about 4ft in diameter. So you've got 8ft, feet of energy field. And then let's say you're, you know, you're going down the shopping aisle with your cart and here comes somebody else. Well, your energy field is going to meet their energy field no matter what you want to do. And a lot of that turns. I, I kind of like to look at it like a Venn diagram, if you will.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
And the.
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The.
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The shift that happens.
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Like, I have a lot of people.
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Who come to me and say, I'm really empathic. And I say, oh, okay, then we really need to put up some energy shields for you because you are constantly taking on other people's energy and it brings you down. So kind of back to what you were saying with survival mode. When you're always in your cortisol, you, you can't really go to that space, but when you can, when there's an opportunity, it really hits home. Right. And so, but, but animals have the same thing. Do you want to share that energy? Are you going to tune into yours? So you can also tune into theirs because they're constantly tuning into yours whether you like it or not. I mean, they're just constant checking in, checking in. And so I, going back to your statement, there is a really big difference between the two.
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Warwick Schiller
Right. So tell us about this vision in your backyard when you're 13. What happened?
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Lauren Wingate
Okay, this is going to sound very. Woo.
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Warwick Schiller
You're in the right place.
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Lauren Wingate
All right, good.
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So I was home from school. I was 13. I was home from school.
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I had the flu.
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I was the only one home. And I went out in our backyard. And in California you have fenced backyards and for the most part. And I went out And I stood on top of the picnic table and I, I put my arms out and I looked into the sky and I, I said, I want to fly. So I jumped off the picnic table and landed on the ground. And I thought, oh, well, because I, I thought, oh, I don't know why I even did that. But when I looked across as clear as I'm looking at you at the corner of the fence line in the backyard, from one side of the other side of the fence was this puma. And he goes over to the other side of the fence and he's being chased by a jaguar. I mean, this was not a dream. This was real. And it was. And I didn't know what to make of. Blew my mind. It was years later and I have a lot of Native American stuff that comes through. But it was years later that I was speaking with a shaman and he said, oh, he said, well, they represent the South America and North America and the two have been divided and they want to come back together. And you know that, it sounds like, you know, that whole story and that's what I was being shown. And years later I had several kind of Native American spiritual things that, that happened to me and I, it was so incredibly powerful. I had to kind of put it over there because I, I knew, I don't know, I just had this knowing that I was going to be doing something different with my life at that point. I didn't know exactly what, but that's what I saw.
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Warwick Schiller
You knew you're going to be doing something different with your life at that time, like as a 13 year old.
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Lauren Wingate
Say that again.
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Warwick Schiller
You said you, you kind of put that aside.
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Lauren Wingate
Yes, I did. As a 13 year old to talk about these things, that was not an okay thing to talk about. So I didn't. And, and I buried it for years.
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Warwick Schiller
Did you have. So did you, did you bury talking about it or did you kind of turn off that intuition that, that knowing so that those things didn't happen again or, or, or did they continue to occur?
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Lauren Wingate
I, I really did turn it off until one night. I have a lot of energy that flows through my hands. I use it in my practice. And one night I was at a party and my friend was dating this chiropractor who was very spiritual. And I don't know why, but I reached out. His name was Guy. And I, I came up to him and I put my hands out and I said, you must be Guy. I never take my hands and do that as the first person in my life. And I Put my hands out. And he grabbed my hands, and he had this kind of Cheshire grin on his face. He said, so, what's the deal with your hands? And I said, what do you mean? And he said, you have so much energy flowing through your hands, and they share truth with you, and they do this and they do that. And that's when I knew I needed to open myself up to receive and really go down that road.
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I had a lot of fear around it.
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Warwick Schiller
And so it sounds like this guy, when he said that, kind of made you realize that you're not the only one. And if this guy can tell it's there, it's really there. And I'm not crazy. And. Oh, I imagine there was a lot of stories went through your head today.
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Lauren Wingate
Yep. And I really was starting to be very drawn to spiritual people. And, yeah, my comfort level is definitely going beyond 3D. I mean, definitely.
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Warwick Schiller
And so your interaction with the. With the chiropractor, at what age was this?
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Lauren Wingate
I was in my late 20s.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay, so what were you doing? What were you. So you said you went to college. Where'd you go to college?
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Lauren Wingate
Where did I go or when?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, where?
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, when I normally.
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Warwick Schiller
Which particular college did you go to?
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Lauren Wingate
The University of Michigan.
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Warwick Schiller
Really?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
From California?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Really? How'd you end up at University of Michigan versus any other university in America?
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Lauren Wingate
Well, I have.
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My first degree was from San Jose State. My second degree was from University of Michigan. So at that point. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Tell us about your first degree from San Jose State.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, finance.
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Pretty stuff.
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Warwick Schiller
And. And what, you know, what led you to think you wanted to get a finance degree?
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Lauren Wingate
Because my parents said that, you know, at this point in life, women need to do this. And my mother wouldn't even let me learn how to type, because then you're going to be a secretary. And so it was that phase of, go, go do this. And so I did. But there, I had no passion around it. Worked in it for a little bit, and I. I'm super creative and so moved into that area of life.
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Warwick Schiller
Right. What were you passionate about at the time when you're getting this finance degree? Because there's nothing.
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Lauren Wingate
I was passionate about anything. I. I was honestly trying to survive in a world that was harsh for me, but I. I was a good girl, and I did what I was told to do, and that's what I did. But that didn't mean a part of me was attached to that. You know, I'm fairly bright and I could do it, but there was no connection to it at All I hate finance.
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Warwick Schiller
It sounds. It sounds like you. You know, in order to block out this. This gift sort of a thing, you kind of blocked out anything joyful. Like, you got to turn that dial way down. Otherwise, that gift. Well, that gift, to be standing there staring you in the face. And if you're not allowed to, you know, if you feel like you're not allowed to have it or shit, share the fact that it's there. And then. I'm just guessing here, but it's. When I said, what were you. What were you passionate about at the time? And you said, nothing. And I thought, oh, that's interesting that, you know, maybe you had to. If you turn that one thing off, you turn everything else off.
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Lauren Wingate
There's no question of that. It wasn't safe to go down that road. So I closed the door on it. So, you know, somebody kept knocking at the door, and it was like. And now I. I don't look back on that. I'm really happy with what I do and the power of my gift because it transforms lives. I mean, yay.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. So tell me about. So after the chiropractor guy told you what he told you, what was your. What was your next step after that? Like, when did you start. What did you. When did you start to maybe let the gift back in, and what did you do with it?
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Lauren Wingate
Well, I'll tell you this story quickly.
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It was shortly thereafter that we had.
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Gone on this trip to Sedona. Now, I didn't know anything about Sedona. I know that might sound funny, but I had started meditating. And in my meditations, I kept getting these red rocks.
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And in one of the meditations, there was a pool. And I was looking at myself in the pool of the red rocks, and I saw myself as an Indian woman. And I thought, well, that's interesting. And then I had a few meditations of seeing these white cliffs with a river running right below it. And on that was a black circle on the top of the white ledge. And that's where the man, an Indian man, who I guess was my love, was standing on the black hole. And then he was pushed into the river. So those were my meditations, and they were very vivid and clear. And then we took our trip to Sedona, and we went to Sedona so my husband could play golf. And one night, there was a presentation at the resort of this shaman who started sharing a lot of information about Indian lore and how villages were run back in the day. And he started pointing to people in the audience Saying what their job would have been because you had a job that supported the village, that's what you did. And so he pointed to me and he said, and you would have been a healer. And I thought, wow, that's really interesting. He said, I can see the energy moving from your hands all the way up through your shoulders. And so that was very fascinating. We decided to talk with him after his presentation. And so he looked at us, he said, I'd like to take both of you on a little field trip tomorrow. So we thought, okay. I mean, we were there for vacation.
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Warwick Schiller
So we met you and your husband.
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Lauren Wingate
Yes, and my 4 year old son. So we met him and he took us in this white van out of the red rocks. And we were driving and the vegetation changed, things started turning white, which is on the outskirts of Sedona. And on the way I started getting almost violently sick. Not car sick, but something was coming over me. So I said, I'm sorry, we have to pull over. And I got out of the car and I got down on my hands and knees and I started heaving. And I said, what is wrong? Because it didn't feel like me. And he said, he just nodded. He knew all of this was coming. He said, this is where one of the massacres was. And he said, you're picking up on that energy. So that stopped and then we kept driving. And then he stopped at this place. We get out of the vehicle and here were the white cliffs from my meditation with the river. And he looked at me and he said, I've been waiting for you. And I said it was you. And he said, yes. Him being the one that was pushed into the river.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
And of course I was kind of in shock because how could he have known that I was having those meditations? Right. This stuff is incredibly powerful, as I think you know. And he said in your. Your Indian name was River Wind. And I thought, oh, that's lovely, but I'm still stuck on this how in the world. So there was conversation about it. We stayed in touch with him, went back to California and that's when things just started happening. And I knew that I had to start moving in this direction, which is what I did. And the forces that would come through me were very, very powerful. I had to actually put a bit of a stop to it in some areas. But the intuitive part and the messages that would come through when I work with horses, people, animals were very strong. And I literally get out of the way and all this information floods to through me to help people. So that's really the, the beginnings of how this started.
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Warwick Schiller
You said when you went back to California, things started happening. What sorts of things were happening? And you said it was a bit. I'm not sure if the word was overwhelming you used, but you had to put a stop to some of it. Can you share what some of the. The things that were happening?
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Lauren Wingate
Some of it's pretty out there and I mean, I'm happy to share it, but. But I.
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Warwick Schiller
That's here. I mean, I've had people on the podcast who channel aliens. So, you know.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, all right. Well, so there were. There are spirits from what I was shown that had not fully transgressed to the. The spirit world. These are Indian spirits. And so they thought it would be a really good idea to use me as a conduit to go beyond. And I could see like flickers of light. Now I'm not, not like you and me talking. This is like the 4D, 5D wherever dimension you want to go that I was being shown. And I thought, no, I'm not going to play this game. I don't want to spirits coming through me. That is not what I'm about. I don't want to do this. I've also learned in Sedona that I had. I went back a second time and the spirits there are incredibly powerful, like way beyond anything you could imagine. And you don't want to tick them off is kind of what I've learned. And in speaking with other people, that's the case in Hawaii as well. There's some really powerful spirits there. And so I thought, I don't want to play that. I don't want. Some people want to really go into that and learn as much as they can and feel as much as they can. It's just not an area I want to play in, if you will. However, what I do want to do is take the page power of that and help people transform. And so how do I bring the power of all of that into sort of this 3D space to shift people? And that's really what I've been working on but for. For several. I mean, I've been doing this 25 years and so I did put a stop to that. And what's interesting, you don't have to go through some big, you know, ceremony to do this. You just ask and say, please remove this. And I just wanted to be surrounded in. In the light of energy, not, not the really hard stuff and the. And the dark stuff. I don't want that dark energy around me or the People I know as well. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's what happened.
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Warwick Schiller
And so this was the beginning of it. But then you said, you know, I was working with people and animals and stuff. So you started actually doing this for money, for, you know, for living at this point in time?
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Lauren Wingate
I did, yeah. I first moved into animal communication, mostly with horses. And I, from the Bay Area, had moved to Carmel, where I had my horses, and just some really interesting things would happen. I'm happy to share a few of those stories with you. Yeah. One of the stories that is of great interest and really showcases how horses are constantly checking in with our energy. It's constant, just like our dogs. Not cats so much. They kind of do their own thing, but dogs and cats and horses. And this woman had called me out to her barn in Carmel Valley, and. And this particular. It wasn't really a barn. This man had acreage, and he put horses in, like, I don't know, 75 by 75, maybe 100 by 100.
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Square.
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Foot pens, if you will, you know. And so she brings me out to her mare, and there were low fences. The horses were happy where they were. And this little quarter horse mare was about 4 years old. She's about, I don't know, just over 14 hands. And I started dialing into her. She said, you know, I. I'm having trouble with her, and I. I want to put her on cows, but I don't know, I'm struggling with her.
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Okay.
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So I said, well, let me get into her turnout or. And she said, okay, but don't you want a halter in a lead rope? And I said, no, I don't need it. So I went in, and this little mare was what happens. I started dialogue with them. So, in essence, I open the room, the energy room, and that's where I meet them. And so I stood in there, and she thought, oh, well, no, I don't want to connect with you. And that happens. And I say, okay. I always ask, and I just leave the space open, stand there. And usually the ones who don't are the ones that really spill when they're ready. And so she started pushing me against the fence, and I just made my energy really big. That doesn't mean I was doing this. It just internally made my energy much bigger and. And made it clear that that wasn't okay. Okay. So the dialogue had started, and I was telling. I was. I started picking up all this information about her, and I said, gosh, I said, you know, your little mare have you ever seen her lie down or roll? I said, because I'm getting that. She never does that. And, and she feels like it's her job to protect this little, she considered herself the alpha mare protecting everyone around her. And she, I, I said, are you aware that, that. And I'm sorry, this woman was a little clueless. She just wanted her horse to do this job and she didn't really care about the rest, but she was having issues and so I, I kept talking to her horse and making the space safer for her. And in her particular turnout there was this beautiful oak tree. You know how gorgeous the oak trees are in California. You live with them. And, but it was right there and after a while she just started relaxing into it. She was going to show me and it was like, okay, I give. And at one point she went over very slowly into this sun drenched area near the oak tree and lay down. And I mean, she was like, out to the point where I thought she wasn't moving. I thought, are you alive? What's going on? And she lay there for the longest time. At first she took this big deep breath and let it out, which is of course she loved to see. And I thought, well, I'm going to go over here and talk to this woman about what, what's going on? I'm going to turn my back to this little mare and let her do what she wants to do. But it was really powerful for her, I could feel it. So I turned my back and went over and put my foot up on the first rail. The woman's on the other side of the fence and was talking to her. And I could hear behind me very slowly, these footsteps. And I knew it was her. And I mean she was, she wanted to kind of in essence throw her weight around initially, but I thought, no, I'm going to trust what we've opened here. And she came over and my, as I said, my, my foot was up on the rail so my, my thigh was parallel to the ground. She came over and rested her whole head on my thigh just like. And she stayed there for the longest time. And initially I didn't pet her and then I did because it was like finally she'd been given permission to just be a horse and not be so wrapped up in whatever world she was living in. And that was a really powerful moment. That was probably the first really powerful moment I'd had. I mean, I'd been able to read animals, but this was pretty profound. There was this couple from the Netherlands that had a Friesian they were so cute. An older couple, they didn't ride the horse. They just wanted him as pet. So they had him at this one barn and they would call me out to read what was going on, what's he saying? And then they moved him to another barn. They called me out there and he had this really long paddock. And they, they said, you know, we're concerned about him because they. He won't go to the end of his paddock. And I said, okay. I said, well, let me, let me go down there and see what I'm picking up. So I went down there and I know you've heard stories like this before, but a horse had died there. You know, horses pick up on that. I always say if, if, if someone loses one of their herd, that it's really important you create some ritual around where you've buried the horse or where the horse, you know, died, because they need to have that closure. And they get depressed when one leaves, as you know, but when they pass, it's. It has a profound effect on them. So I said, let me go talk to the barn manager now, of course, you know, a horse dies, they got to rent out the new paddock. And, and I, and I went to her and I said, you know, I'm really picking up that there was a horse that died at the end of this. And, and this, this horse, your new horse, is really struggling. And she said, yeah, we did lose one right at the end of his paddock. And so I cleared the energy to the point where he would feel more comfortable going there, but there was this barrier. And so in sharing that with his family, they, they were really fascinated by that. And it, it just is another indication of how powerful that energy is and how connected to it we can be to affect change. Right. And there, there are just so many stories like that. But I think what I really interested in, yeah, I love being an animal communicator, but I want to transform the people. They, most people don't realize how powerful their energy is and the effect that it has on not just their horses, but other people. So that's when this last year, you know, as these years have gone by, I became an intuitive mentor where I was just coaching people and really teaching them. It's not about fixing you, it's about freeing you. And so the ability to just dial in and go right into the part of the subconscious mind that is blocking them. There's so much beauty in it because I call myself a heat sink missile. And so when I first start working with Someone I don't have to be in person. It can be anywhere in the world, frankly, I'm shown, I'm either given visions or I'm given the words to help that person. So I'll see immediately, oh, this is what happened in your childhood. And this parent is the one that had the biggest effect on you. And this is what happened. I'm not dissing the parents, but these situations have blocked them from living a life of freedom, really. And when you are finally able to learn these truths, bring them to the surface and release them. That's the freedom. So if you think about yourself as a walking energy field, we all are. And your energy field is about 8ft radius, excuse me, diameter. And so is everybody else's. So same with your animals. So you, when you want to start going into the awareness of this energy so you can have better relationships with the people, the horses, yourself, you start delving into this. And I teach people how to use energy shields. So when somebody's energy comes at them, you know, you've been around people that are like way intense and, and as we were saying earlier about the, the depth of the power of energy, like these Indian forefathers, they. It helps people to start understanding their being in a different way. So you want to be the whole being. It's not just your head, it's your heart. And the heart has the highest vibration in your whole being. So I want them to learn about their heads, their hearts, and how the energy flows through their body. Because if you think about energy, where do we carry that? Where is it? It's in our cells. So we're going to start carrying this dark energy around that we get from other people or we create ourselves that can cause disease. I'm not going to go through a medical thing right now, but when we decide that we want to open ourselves to these subconscious thoughts that are blocking us and release them energetically, we start being lighter and almost automatically start going into our hearts. So when I do connect with horses, I, I love working with horses the most. They. They vibrate so high. I always just go right into my heart. And that is like, bam. They're like, yes. Because what's in your heart? Truth, passion, love. All these things that horses are drawn to. Horses want truth.
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They want truth.
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And if you're not going to show up in your truth, they're not really interested. So in teaching people how to transform their lives and learn so much and bring these things to the surface and just start coaching them on kind of like bumper pool. Nope. You Gotta bring it here. No, you gotta bring it there. And you gotta learn about this, learn about that. Well, the, the, the beauty of being with the horses is they're so present. Most of us aren't, but they are.
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And they only want to live in.
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Truth, as we just said. So they do it with each other. They're very present. And I always joke with people, you better stay present because you're hanging out with a thousand pound animal and you gotta be present. So a lot of times you'll see people, they go get their horse out of the pasture, start bringing them in, they're on the phone, the horse is behind them, and, and there's no connection. Or is it just like, all right, you know, missed opportunity so much. Right. So one of the things I teach my, my clients that I. So I do something called the intuitive edge, which is the one on one coaching with the person, but I also do the animal communication. And I've been, what can I do? So I just really opened myself and that is how I segued into the transformation triangle, which I love. So you've got two base points, the human, the horse, and the apex of the triangle, which is the relationship. So what I teach people in the transformation triangle, and it's really fun. It's super fun. You do three sessions and it's like worlds change. I love it so much because it helps the horses. And before they ever get out of their truck, for their feet ever hit the ground at the barn, I teach them how to become very grounded, how to shift their energy and be very present. There's a breathing exercise, there's this awareness that this, the, that. And before they ever step foot on the ground, they are in this space and then they go to their horse and I want them to start feeling that energy coming through their hands and go spend a little time with the horse and get rid of the grocery list in your mind or what you have to do, you know, picking up the kids or whatever after, it's like, no, I just want you to be present because they'll, they'll connect with you much faster. And the, the shift that happens and, and going into there, because when we can change the subconscious mind mind, it transforms your life. So that transformation with your horse, that transformation with other people really starts to show up. And, and I love to use horses as a tool, frankly. But the benefit that the horse gets is, is a person who shows up and wants to have dialogue. So a lot of times I'll go out to a barn and you know, the horses They'll. People will take their horses out of the stall and the horse just goes ahead of them or they walk out. They pass that threshold before you ever do. Right. And so I teach them, no, you tell them when it's time to come out of the barn, and then when you do, I want the horse at your shoulder.
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I want.
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It's partnership and leadership. And I always say leadership second, but I want that connection. And so a lot of times we get the unruly horse because their pattern is, I'm going to do whatever I want until they saddle me up and then we go around in the ring, but I'm just going to be in charge until that time. You see it all the time, right? And so many times I'll say, oh, do you mind if I just hold the lead rope for a moment? And so I do. And that energy is going through my hands up. The rope around their head at the halter changes immediately because they're picking up on that energy. And people just look at me, how did you do that? That's where the horse wants to meet.
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You, right in that space.
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And so it's teaching them those. Those simple things. Of course, it all starts on the ground. And having a different horse show up because of where you are anyway, that's a very beginning part of how the whole process is.
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Warwick Schiller
So you tell me that early, before, you know, you went to the. The shaman in Sedona, and I suppose I should share a story here, too. So many years ago, when I had first started the podcast, in the first year, I had Rupert Isaacson on the podcast, and Rupert was talking about. One of the things that really fascinated about Rupert was he spent time with hunter gatherers, and he's been in a lot of shamanic ceremony and things like that. And so we were chatting away here on the podcast, and all of a sudden all the tech went haywire. I lost him. The. See, the, The. The program we use to record these things, it records your end to the computer. Records my end to the computer sort of thing, and then, you know, we can get it back afterwards. But with Rupert, everything went into this. You know, it's got the thinking thing, the little spinning wheel of death on your computer. Are we doing that? It's still doing it to the. This day, I think. Anyway, I couldn't get him. I couldn't get him back on. Nothing would work. I couldn't figure it out. And so I emailed him and I said, sorry, I have no idea what happened there. And he said, oh, I know exactly what happened? He said, I've. I've been in a lot of, you know, shamanic ceremonies and things like that. And he said, with hunter gatherers. And he said, you can ask them. You always ask them. He says, but you can ask them, can I film this ceremony? And they'll say yes or no, but if they say yes, he said, we've had cameras that have been working all day long, and you record the thing and it seems to be working. And when you take and look at the footage, there's nothing on it. He said, we've had still cameras, not digital cameras, but film cameras, take pictures of a ceremony, there's nothing on it. And he said, we just got. The shamanic energy was really there. Anyway, so we had to re record the whole podcast. And then probably a year later or so, I had a lady named Shay Stewart on the podcast and she's a craniosacral worker, but the same thing happened with her because we get talking about some really heavy sort of stuff and the same thing happened to her. Well, I've got to tell you guys listening that Lauren and I are talking for the second time today because it was about a week or so ago that we started recording with. Got half an hour in, she was starting to talk about Sedona, and the whole thing died. And Lauren wasn't sure what happened, but I'm pretty sure I know what happened. So we had to come back, had to give it about 10 days, and now we, now we're back again. So, yeah, I do.
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Lauren Wingate
It's funny because we started emailing and you said, well, I think it's from that. And I said, yeah, I thought about that too, because how, how can you not. It's so powerful.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, when I had Shea Stewart back on the podcast, I was, I was worried because we're about an hour and 45 minutes in and it still, it was still recording. And I'm thinking, okay, please don't, you know, like, let's not get, let's not go too far down the rabbit holes. But I want to get all the stories and for some reason they've always worked a second time around. I don't know, I don't know what that is. But, you know, Rupert's the second time I recorded it was fine. Shay's the second time we record it was fine. And so far we're fine with you. So, yeah, I've got no, I've got no idea what that is. But anyway, you're talking about the, the. You came back from Sedona what was it long after that when you started actually doing this professionally?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, it was. It was shortly thereafter, I joined a group. That would meet once a week, and we would kind of have these meditations. But some really powerful stuff would be happening. And I would have past life experiences. I've had a lot of them. I'm a believer. I mean, I can dial into people and animals that have passed because it's really just another realm. You know, some of them come back. I certainly have. I don't know if you've seen any of your past lives, but there's some really powerful stuff that. That can go on when you gather people to start sort of playing in another realm.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, very much so. I'm gonna ask you. So not. Not long enough. That was when you started doing it professionally?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
How was that for you as far as. How did you. How did you feel about it? Like, you know, I am an animal communicator. You know, like, was that for you? Was that hard to, like, say, hey, this is. I, I, I have these abilities or senses, and you, you were, like, stepping into that or were you like, I kind of, you know, maybe I can talk to animal, you know. How was that for you? Were you, like, gung ho or you, like, pretty timid about it?
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Lauren Wingate
I think I, I was. A part of me was gung ho. I think you have to look at it like it's a bridge. That's the best way to look at it.
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And.
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Or a conduit. So the conduit part was there. I mean, I was getting information about stuff left and right, which is great, but it's like, how do I channel this into. And I'm not a channeler. How do I channel this into this and that? And so it's really just asking for it now. I think we all have this ability, but I think there are those that have it more than others.
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Right.
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And I call mine a gift. It's completely a gift. I'm not gonna. I see it as a gift. I honor it as such. So going back to your question of how did I feel about that, I was initially really uncomfortable.
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And I had.
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At that time, I had started doing the animal communication, then moved to Carmel Valley. We were in the Bay Area, moved to Carmel Valley. And I met this woman who was this coach who really wanted to help me. And I said, okay, and you're gonna go give a talk at this pet place. Okay. And I, I kind of went hat in hand. I was super uncomfortable doing. Doing it. I felt like I was going to be so judged. And that was always my biggest thing was I didn't want to be judged. And 25 years ago, people weren't talking about energy. Now everybody talks about it. Oh, I, you know, walk in the room, oh, that guy's energy.
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Oh, this.
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Oh, that.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, that's kind of why I asked the question, because I'm thinking this is probably 25 years ago, and, you know, things like this weren't as widely talked about. Yeah. And I was wondering how you felt, so I'm glad you kind of were vulnerable. And. Yeah, I was kind of a little bit worried about it.
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Lauren Wingate
I was. But at the same time, I was kind of being pushed from behind, so I didn't go into it, like, wow, this is awesome. I felt like I was kind of being pushed from behind, like, you know, this is what you need to do. So initially, I was very uncomfortable, but then as I started to do it a little more, I. I realized this isn't about me at all. This is about helping people with their animals and giving animals a voice. I mean, that's pretty powerful. And then when you see the effect of that, like that little mare I was telling you about, it was like she was in her little mare prison and didn't know that there was a way out. And so that's. That's where my passion really started developing. Having a few incidents like that, and then more and more as the years went by, and. And then just the realization, you know what? I don't really care what other people think. I care about helping the horses. I care about helping the people. There's a better way, and we can do it fast. You don't have to sit and, you know, regurgitate your whole past and do all that. And it's like, bam. Oh, look, this is sitting inside of you. You want to hold on to that anymore, or you want to release it? Want to feel the truth around that and let it go, because we can do it right now. It's pretty powerful. Right. So I think initially it was exciting, exceptionally difficult for me, and then I just got braver as time went on.
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Warwick Schiller
How was the thing at the pet store? Sounds like that was one of your first public appearances doing that.
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, it was. It's my first public appearance, and I think I expected to be met with tremendous skepticism, and I was met with people who really wanted to know. Now, were there a lot of people? No.
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Why?
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Because my energy was closed.
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Wasn't like this.
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So I've done this with a couple different times with 25 people or more. And my limit. What I've learned is like, that people show me their phone and, you know, I'll talk about what I do, and then, oh, well, this is what's going on with Fido. This is what's going on with your dog, Sam. This is, you know, your horse. You're this, your cat. And what happens is you go to a space to have that dialogue, and then you come back down and people. You go to the next person, that person has a question, and then I go up here, and I only did that twice. I still gave talks and I've given clinics, but not like that, because I would come home and I. I'm not a headache person, and I would have a headache for two days.
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Warwick Schiller
I was going to ask you, was.
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Lauren Wingate
It drained that people ask me? Well, explain to me exactly. I don't know, how is it that I can talk to somebody on the other side of the planet? The first time I did that, I thought, how?
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My.
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How's this to work? And it's just like, you're sitting right here, we're having this conversation with you. Energy knows no bounds. Is the only way. Don't ask me to explain it. I can't. I can't. It just is and exceptionally powerful.
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Warwick Schiller
Do you have any other really amazing stories of. Of things that have. Have happened, working with different animals?
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Lauren Wingate
I. I think a really fascinating one. I mean, yeah, I have a lot of stories, but the ones that would make you go, wow, yeah, those.
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Warwick Schiller
Those kind.
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, those kind of. Someone called me, set up a. In a session to talk about their dog that had passed. And I get a lot of calls. You know, I'm not sure if I should. Because nobody wants to play God if it's time for their animal to pass, right?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
And. But this dog had passed and.
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They.
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Wanted to talk about the passing. So I started dialing in, and this blew my mind. This will blow your mind, too. This dog had been. I was shown that he'd been hit by a car. I said, was he hit by a car? Yes. And the vision, this dog gets hit by a car, and you're seeing him in 3D. And then all of a sudden you're seeing him beyond, like, in a different dimension that fast. And he kept going, he kept running. And I didn't even know how to describe that. I was so fascinated by this, that.
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But.
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But there are a lot of things. Gosh, a couple weeks ago.
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This is.
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The first time I'd seen this. This woman had lost. She had black cats and she had.
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Lost this one and then lost that.
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One and still had one living. And I said, okay, well, let me tune in to your kitties. And these two little kitty souls, little spirits I'd never seen this before, had come together. They didn't die at the same time. They died at different times, but their spirits had sort of joined forces to help this woman and help the rest of her animals. And she said, you know, I could swear I was feeling something. And I said, they are protecting you. And there's this whole story behind it. That's the first time I've ever seen something like that. And to be honest, I'm always amazed. I'm always amazed by what I see. And I'm amazed when I can see something and people have this immediate shift in their relationship. Like, recently, this woman who signed up for the transformation triangle. I've had it with my horse. I want to get rid of him. And I said, okay. And she said, and it's all these things. So in the. In the first session, we dial in on the person, then we dial in on the person and the horse. And then the final. And we pull this stuff out. She's a therapist, by the way. We pull this stuff out, and she was open to receive. She was coachable. I know you've probably had clients that aren't so coachable, Right? But if they're coachable and they really want to learn, they're going to follow through. And. And she did. And by that second session, I get a text from her. I have fallen in love with my horse.
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Why?
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Because she changed. She changed. She was ready to let go of some of this garbage, and the horse went, right here. I'm here with you.
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And.
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And the love she started feeling. That's a really good story. Especially after just a second time together. I love stuff like that. I love the power of it. Let's see. Well, I might have shared with you because our session got cut off about the. Yeah, I think I did the mare that. This was a recent one where she was out in the pasture, and we were standing in the paddock with the gate open, and I started tuning into her and just. These are outside things. These are not 3D things. A horse isn't. If you're going to stay in 3D, a horse isn't just going to. Oh, unless you've got grain or something, or they recognize you. I didn't know this horse. It's like she just went dialed in and. And giving them the opportunity, right? Giving them the opportunity to show you how they are. Understanding your communication is. Is really quite remarkable and special.
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Warwick Schiller
I might get to some of your questions because that might get some of your stories out. One of the questions that you. One of the questions you chose was, what's the most worthwhile thing that you've put your time into, something that you've done that has changed the course of your life?
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Lauren Wingate
Well, it really is opening myself up to receive this. And I like that question a lot because I think it can help other people in. In what they're doing in their lives. It's just really opening yourself up to. To receive. And once you start to do that, then the passion just is like a snowball, just so beautiful. And I. Here's a great story about that. So having that passion and using it with my own horses. I. At the. I've had five Arabs at the time, I had two. And. And I had them in these really large paddocks that I asked them to take the fence out. And people were like, what are you doing? I said, because my horses need space. And the gelding made me laugh all the time. I mean, I would just show up at the barn. They couldn't see me, but I can feel this is how beautiful this is. I could feel them. They knew I was coming. Within a few miles of me going. The energy was already connecting. It's kind of like. Did you see Avatar?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
So you know how they take the creatures and they. They have those.
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Warwick Schiller
They plug into the. Like they plugged into the horse's mane?
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah, yeah. It's the same thing. And so they would know I was coming, and they would call out to me, which they couldn't see me once I'd land, once I'd arrived. But one day I went out and these are Shilohian horses. And my gelding just. I started laughing because he always made me laugh. He always had something funny to share. But she. My mare, wouldn't come and turn and look at me. And I thought, what is going on? She always comes. And so I went in to her paddock and I closed the gate behind me and I. I said her name and. And she didn't turn around. Her body didn't turn around, but her head did. And she turned and looked at me and shot me full of a love that I have never experienced in my life. And the vibration was so high, I could not take it all in. And I. It was so powerful, it threw me back against the gate. And I burst into tears. I could not. It was. It was almost like a lightning bolt coming through me. The Power of her just. And she was just standing there. You'd never know. She's turned her head to look at me.
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And I.
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And I just stood there crying and crying because I couldn't take it and. And feeling very blessed at the same time. But. So back to your question that just came to mind.
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But it's.
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It's. It's so beautiful, isn't it?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. That question was most worthwhile thing you've put your time into. The next question you chose was, where do you go to relieve stress, to recharge your batteries? Where do you go? What do you do?
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Lauren Wingate
Or.
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Warwick Schiller
Or where do you find motivation for what you do?
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Lauren Wingate
I think the best thing to do, because when we're stressed, that means our cortisol has. Just. Is flying through our bodies. It's like, how do I get back? How do I get back? And the best thing to do is to really realign yourself energetically. So you want to really ground yourself. So you can either ground yourself through a very simple breathing exercise that I can show you, or you can go into your heart. And then, of course, being around a horse and they're so present, it just charges me. And the stress falls off just being in their presence or, you know, being in nature. Nature is very good at shedding that in us, if we stay cooped up in a space and we're playing the stress game, we're going to lose.
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Warwick Schiller
So, next question. What do you feel your true purpose is in the world?
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Lauren Wingate
Well, my true purpose is my gift and continuing to let it morph and grow and see the miracles that I have seen in my life and to have more of them that I think the. And this is kind of a funny one to share, but a woman had called me and she was having a lot of trouble with a sensitive horse. When I got out there, I know right away how sensitive the person is and how sensitive the horse. You know, I just see the whole situation.
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And this is a woman who was.
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On anxiety medication, speaking of anxiety, and.
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Was.
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So wrapped up in all other people's energy coming at her and her not being able to push it off. And probably within a month, she was off her anxiety medication because again, you're going in and learning how to deal with that stress and the peace that she feels now. So back to my purpose.
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I mean, that's.
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That's really. That's an example of my purpose is. Is to give animals a voice and to help their humans understand them and to create a relationship that goes way beyond anything they might have imagined in the past. And it's really helpful for people who can compete, you know, because you can get so dialed in to doing everything exactly right that you're totally in your head and the horse will do unless there are issues, which is what you do to help people with that. But they, How do I explain they then it's almost like they're a machine, right?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
And that's not who they are first.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, it's interesting. I, I know someone who trains jumping horses and. But she's into this energetic, spiritual sort of world. And I was talking to her a couple years ago and she said, I knew I was getting through to my clients. We're at a jumping show recently and my client was not very far off going into the ring to compete. And she said, hold my horse for a second. And she said her client jumped off the horse, pulled off her boots, pulled off her socks and went and walked in the grass. She said, I just gotta ground myself. And she went over and she walked around the grass and then she pulled her socks on. Pulled, pulled her boots on just in time to jump on a horse. And then they called her and she went in and, and she was really good, but she, she actually felt that she wasn't terribly grounded. You know, she's getting ahead. So she actually pulled the boots and socks off and went and rubbed her feet in the grass. So yeah, I think that's, that's pretty cool.
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Lauren Wingate
If you think about the, the person on the horse and, and let's just look at this from an energy perspective and you're all wound up, you're all stressed out. Think of the power of these horses where that person is getting on their back, their legs are wrapped around them. Here's their torso, here's the horse's torso, right like this. And then hands on the reins which are connected to the bridle all around the horses head, which, and most people are still writing in bits and the bits in the mouth and they have no escape yet they will still perform. They are able to get past that. So don't you love it when a person says, gosh, I'm not grounded enough, right? I need to go get grounded. And does the horse really respond to that? Yeah, they do. And some of these top person performers, horses are able to go beyond that. Some of these horses are true athletes. They are athletes. So somebody might, oh, I want to go get a horse and jump with that horse. And, and the horse doesn't have that athletic prowess, you know what I mean? Like when you look at a, at an Olympiad, they are so dialed into that athletic energy and there are lots of top performing horses that, that's just who they are. So if their rider doesn't have that same energy and doesn't want to have that high level of performance, it can go south quickly.
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Warwick Schiller
Very much. So this next question I'm pretty excited to hear the answer to that you chose. What is where is my exact question here. What is one common myth about your professional field that you want to debunk? Because I imagine there's a lot of myths about common myths about what people perceive you do. What's something you want to debunk about that.
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Lauren Wingate
So there's the woo factor. And they, people used to say woo, woo and now they say woo. And, and what I want to debunk is that intuition isn't woo. Intuition is precision. And it's that simple because when it's at a high level and you can just go in and pull exactly, it's very surgical. And pull that out and say, here, what do you want to do with this? So that intuition is not woo, it's precision. And I, I, I want to leave it in, in the simplest of terms so it makes sense. And then you could go down the, the road of energy and thought and all of that, but it's all tied in. But just to be able to do.
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It like that is.
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How do you deny that?
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Warwick Schiller
Right? Yes. How do you, do you know that? Okay, what is your relationship like with fear? What's my relationship what like with fear?
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Lauren Wingate
I think fear, if you, if you, if you don't get all stressed out about it, I mean, fear lives in the limbic brain, right? And fear, if you can look at it, that ah, fear is showing up. I'm going to use that as tool to see why I'm fearful and what I have to do to shift that. And so we fear is used to help us move. You know, if we go back to the hunter gatherer that you were mentioning earlier, we go back to our cave man days. We fear was really helpful because it was, it alerted us to do ABC to get out of it. And so today the fear can be used and you want to make sure that the minute you identify it that you take an action.
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So you don't want to sit in.
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It because it builds. But if you can take that fear and say, I really go to, I guess I call it the observation deck. Go to your observation deck looking down on yourself like a Venn diagram these different things and say, oh, look at Lauren. She's. She's bumping into this. She's having this fear. We're going to go up here and observe. And when you observe, there's no judgment. You know, scientists, when they write their theories, they can only write observations. There's no judgment. So it's the same thing with us. When we're trying to help ourselves, we observe ourselves. Instead of dissing ourselves and putting ourselves down, we go to our observation deck. Or a bird's eye view of us. Like they're, oh, look. Look what Warwick's doing. Gosh, what if we could help him do abc? Look at Lauren. What's going on with her? And why is she feeling this fear? Okay, it's because of this. Let's take an action step. And the second you take action, that takes the precedence over the fear. Not completely, but it starts you going a trajectory in a different direction. Does that make sense?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Have you, have you ever heard of a guy named Alex Honnell? He's a famous rock climber.
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Lauren Wingate
No.
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Warwick Schiller
So he. There was a documentary came out a few years ago called Free Solo where he free solos El Capitan in. So free soloing is no ropes. Like, no ropes whatsoever. And he. So just last. Was it the last weekend or the weekend before he climbed? It was on Netflix. Live on Netflix. He climbed the tallest build. It's the tallest building in Taiwan.
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Lauren Wingate
But I didn't watch it, but I saw the little Netflix.
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Warwick Schiller
It could be the tallest building in the world. I'm not sure. Anyway, he free soloed that. But in. In the movie Free Solo, they go to. They do an MRI on his brain. And they said in that, they said his amygdala is completely different than everybody else's.
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Lauren Wingate
Wow.
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Warwick Schiller
To where he's almost got to be dying before his. You know, your amygdala is your fire alarm before the amygdala even starts to fire. But in lead up to the thing he did on Netflix here a week or so ago, they were interviewing him and they said something about new amygdala. And he said, you know, it's funny. Everybody seems to think I've got a different amygdala than everybody else. He said, I've spent all my life being afraid, doing things that scare me and doing them anyway. He said, it's not that my amygdala was born different. My amygdala is now different because everything I've ever done has been. If I screw up, I die like you, close to the edge all the time. He said, people think I don't get scared because I get scared. He said, I'm scared. All. Everything I do is scary. But it's. I've. I've. I've dealt with fear so much that now, you know, I've almost got to be almost dying before he, Before I. Before I. You know, before my amygdala fires. There was a. There was a moment in that climb. He gets almost near the top, and he's in this. And this is in the. The Taiwan building, not the free solo of El Capitan. He gets his legs wrapped around the thing, and so he's. He's got a. He's got a chalk pouch on his back like, you know, rock climbers have, and he just locks his legs around this thing and he's several thousand feet off the pavement and just. Just leans back and reaches his arms behind him and puts both his hands in his chalk pouch. And like, on the commentary when they were watching, everybody's like, oh, my God, he didn't. Oh, he just did that. Oh, my God. You know, but, yeah, it has. Has to do with his amygdala is not. He wasn't born with this crazy amygdala. He has just faced fear. Just kind of rewired his. Yeah, it's. Yeah, he's. It's. He's rewired how his brain works.
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Lauren Wingate
That is something. You know, years ago, I was marketing. That's a story in itself, doing marketing for this indie race car team. So I had pit pass and all this and got to really learn about this firsthand. And one of the studies, because, you know, those guys are going 200 plus in Indy cars, and what is it about them? And they've done studies on them where it's almost like the more intense it becomes, the calmer they become. Now they do have kind of an unusual body chemistry that a lot of us don't have. The amygdala study wasn't done, but there's kind of this, and I know this a little bit in that, let's say something horrendous happens to your child, will you immediately go into calm steel, steely calm? You have to, because you have to show up for your child that way. So it is in us, but it shows up, I think, in extreme situations. Most of us don't live in an extreme situation every day. But it's really fascinating how some people, like these race car drivers, just have if. If we will, an extra gear that they go into that keeps them in this space of, you know, driving and having that kind of control At. At those speeds, it's really fascinating what we're capable of.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Used to live in Carmel. So you know where Laguna Seca is, is.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, sure.
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Warwick Schiller
And so if you guys listening, Lugano Sake is a racetrack just south of Carmel there. I remember seeing an episode of Top Gear one time and the British TV show Top Gear.
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
And Jeremy Clarkson. So they, you know, they have video games now that are set up to where you can drive on any racetrack in the world with any particular car. And it's just like driving that car. Yeah, that car on that track. And so Jeremy Clarkson goes around Laguna Seca in the simulator, and he can go a certain speed, he can get a certain lap time. But then he says he tries to do it in real life, and he. In the same car that's in the simulator, and he can't do it. And he says, because he said the thing that race car drivers have is their brain or their body will let them go much deeper into a corner at speed before touching the brakes. And I can do that in the safety of my home in the simulator, because that's not real. And so I know how far into the corner I have to go to have a fast lap time and not touch the brakes until a certain point in time. He says, but in real life, I can't do it. He says race car drivers, their brains have something different, but.
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Lauren Wingate
But fascinating.
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Warwick Schiller
Do they have something different? Or if you go up, if you grew up driving go karts and then. And then, you know, like, you. You start doing this stuff from a young age.
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Lauren Wingate
I, And I agree with that. I think that at a really young age, a lot of times you can see in that child, it's kind of dialed in. Oh, yeah, they're going to do something that's a little more extreme, and they don't care if they get in trouble.
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They.
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It's almost like they have to do it. Like, you know, we all have these gifts, and I think that's. That's one of theirs, is that they are steely calm in extreme situations. And like the guy scaling that building, he had to teach himself, but there's something in him that drives him to almost the beyond. And I think, you know, I've watched some of these documentaries on the El Capitan guys, you know, scaling El Capitan without ropes, and there's just. It's almost like they have to do it. There's some kind of a rush that takes over, that they have to do it even at the. At the risk of death. Like those guys that Jump off the Swiss Alps on those in there. They have those wings.
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Warwick Schiller
It's like, okay, I had a. I had a lady on the podcast from Australia a few years ago who broke the. Her and her husband broke the world record, the world's highest wingsuit BASE jump. They jumped off Mount Maru in eastern India. It's 22,000ft. Oh, my God. And her story was crazy because she had. Her husband was an adventurer when she met him, and she was 40 at the time. I think she was not adventurous at all. Had never skydived, had never bungee jumped, had never done any of that stuff and decided she wanted to before she decided she wanted to break that record. Before she'd ever jumped out of a place plane, before she'd ever skydive, she said to her husband, okay, I want to break that record. What are we going to do? And it was a great. It was amazing story about the whole. The whole thing. You know, she'd never been camping before. In order to. To do that, that dive, they had to. They hiked for nine. They climbed through snow for nine days and lived in a snow cave at the top of the mountain, waiting for the window of opportunity for the weather. But, yeah, so it's. It's possible. She was just so fascinating because it's possible to do those things even if you don't have any prior experience, if you just go through the preparation. So, yeah, she went to. I think her first. She had BASE jumped a lot out of a hot air balloon. So the thing about BASE jumping is there's a cliff or there's a, you know, if it's a tower, you've got to worry about hitting the cliff or the tower on the way down. She had BASE jumped a lot out of a hot air balloon. And you said in those guys in the. In the Swiss Alps or the French Alps. Yeah, she went there before they went to India.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, my God.
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Warwick Schiller
Like on the same trip. So she'd never. BASE jumped off of a solid thing before.
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Lauren Wingate
It's like, then they went there and they jumped blinders on a horse, right?
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Warwick Schiller
Yes.
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Lauren Wingate
And they just. That's all they see. That's what they have to do.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Lauren Wingate
And nothing's going to stop them from doing it. And it is really, really fascinating. There's some wild stuff going on on this planet with people and animals and.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, most certainly. There's one more question I had to ask you, which was what. What does it mean to you to be a leader and a follower? What does leadership and followership look like to You.
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Lauren Wingate
I think leadership is about being really confident within yourself and having that inner knowing. And you can develop that inner knowing as long as you clear the clutter. And people only want to follow, just like horses only want to follow a leader that they trust and they believe in or not going to play. Because now I don't believe in you and the follower.
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I look at it.
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Like I was saying earlier, partnership and leadership. So the follower is more. It's almost like a dance, partnership and leadership. It's. It's a dance and I know, I know it's follower. But at times, like with your horse, you want to be the follower because they're going to know a little more. Like maybe you're out on a trail and I heard this one guy talking, he in Colorado and he had this group and out of nowhere, nowhere, this snowstorm hit. He was a wrangler and he was on this mare. And I mean the kind where you. You didn't know whether to go left, right. And here he is with all these people and he became the follower and just gave the mayor her reign and. And she brought them down the mountain. And he attributes that mayor saving all their lives. So there's a point where leadership is the confidence, but it's also the knowing when it's time to be the follower and letting go of any ego around that to be the follower, because there are those that you want to depend on and you'll follow them. That's how I look at it, you know.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned dances and it's funny, this question has come up. I don't know, probably it's everybody, probably the last three podcasts I've recorded.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, really?
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Warwick Schiller
This was the question that people, that people asked. And I think people that are listening are going to get sick of this story because I've said it like the last three podcasts, but I was, I was at a horse expo one time, I was talking about leadership and followership and I talked about ballroom dancing. And I had a lady come up to the booth afterwards who is a professional ballroom dancer. And she said, in ballroom dancing, she said, a good leader has to know how to lead, but he also has to be able to follow the follow. I love that follow the follow. So understand how much you can lead without losing. Losing them. You know what I mean? Like, you have to see how much follow you've got and only lead as far as they can follow sort of thing.
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Lauren Wingate
It was really, you know, that kind of reminds me. And here we are coming up on The Olympics are the ice dancers. And you see those couples out there and the precision and the. But they, they are doing that dance of leader and follower, leader and follower. And, you know, both are, I think, equally as powerful because you can't lead unless you have a follower.
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Warwick Schiller
Right? Yeah. Yes. Fascinating stuff. You're a fascinating lady there, Lauren.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, well, thank you.
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Warwick Schiller
Tell me, how do, how do people find out more about you? How do they contact you, what, all your websites and all that sort of stuff?
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Lauren Wingate
Well, I, my business is the Wingate way, but the transformation triangle is the one that is really having the profound effect. So that's thewingateway.com the-transformation triangle. That's the landing page. And I mean, I'm on Facebook, I'm on Insta, and that's how you can.
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Warwick Schiller
On Insta. Are you the Wingate? What's your Instagram on Insta?
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Lauren Wingate
It's just Animal Communicator Lauren.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, okay. And what about Facebook?
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Lauren Wingate
That's Animal Communicator Lauren Wingate.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay, there we go.
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
All the, all the ways to find you.
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Lauren Wingate
All the ways to find me.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, thank you for sharing your, your journey and your story. It's fascinating. I'm always, always fascinated by how did, how did these abilities come about, you know, and yours was not that, not dissimilar from some of the other ones I've heard. So it was pretty cool.
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Lauren Wingate
Oh, do you. Are there a lot of people who have that Native American influence?
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Warwick Schiller
There has been that, yeah. Yeah. Yes, definitely.
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Lauren Wingate
Yeah. It's really powerful. Well, I've enjoyed sharing my story with you and I have a tremendous amount of admiration for what you do. A lot. I've followed you for years, so it's lovely to be able to spend some time with you.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, it's great chatting with you and yeah, I'm glad we got to get back together after our shamanic electronic debacle.
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Lauren Wingate
Yes, so, so funny.
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But I'm glad we were able to get back to.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, super cool. So thanks for joining me, Lauren, and you guys at home. Thanks so much for joining us and we'll catch you on the next episode of the Journey on podcast.
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