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He shows G'day everyone. Welcome back to the Journey On Podcast. I'm your host Warwick Schiller and have I got a special guest for you today. So I've just recorded this podcast with a lady named Minjeri Latte and she is from India and let me just read you her bio here. So it says she has a Master's in Outdoor Education from the University of Wales. Manjidi is a certified Master Trainer in Neuro Linguistic Programming, otherwise known as nlp, and holds a Diploma in Training and Development from the Indian Society of Training and Development in New Delhi. She's an avid trekker and wildlife enthusiast and knows her passion for the outdoors to her parents who were keen mountaineers themselves. She's been practicing as a facilitator in outdoor education and experiential learning workshops for the last 28 years, using the tremendous potential of the outdoors for a spectrum of behavioral issues from leadership and self esteem to niche issues like multiple intelligence theory which we will talk about overcoming fears, phobias and unwanted behavioral patterns to de addiction. She is also a passionate and trained telepathic interspecies communicator, having learned with telepathic communicators like Maya Kincaid and Carol Gurney, which we talk about. Manjidi continues to study with the Arthur Findlay College of London in London, sorry. In the field of psychic sciences and mediumship. And over the past two decades she's been facilitating workshops on how to use the power of telepathy in everyday life. And I found out about Manjidi from previous podcast guest Amelia Thomas and so I reached out to Manjiri to try to get her on the podcast and she said, well, I'm kind of busy right now. We're doing a workshop in a remote tiger sanctuary in the middle of India. And so right about then I knew that this was going to be a guest who had some amazing stories to share and she, she did not fail to deliver. So I hope you guys enjoy this conversation with Manjiri as much as I did. But before we go to her. I just want to remind you guys about the journey on podcast summit coming up in Birmingham, England, August 1st through the 4th. So, you know, some of just talking to Manjiti kind of got me really excited because we have a lot of presenters coming to this podcast summit that remind me so much of her. You know, you get Katrina McDonald from Wales. We've got Tanya Kinders League is coming, Chantal Pratt, everybody's favorite scientist, Jennifer Zelligs, who is really into animal communication and training, who is now living in England. And speaking of animal communication, the amazing Emily Ksdot is coming. We've got Kathy Price. Kelly Wilson's coming from New Zealand, as is Jane Pike. We also have Will Rogers, amazing Ben Atkinson. We have Helen Spencer, who is a vet that I met from England when I was in Mongolia on the camel ride. She's going to be there. She has some amazing stories. And we have the two Pasman sisters, Sanka and Maida Pasman. And everybody's favorite astrologer, Denise Elizabeth Byron will be there, as well as my wild friend, Rupert Isaacson. And also our amazing friend from America, Christine Dixon. She's going to be there too. So I'm so looking forward to that and hearing all their presentations and their roundtable discussions. So there's still tickets available for that if you go to our website, which is just summit.warwicksheller.com There are still some tickets available there. So, yes. So looking forward to that. And so now, without any further ado, let's, let's let you listen to this amazing chat with Mangetti Latte. Manjidi Latte. Welcome to the genuine podcast.
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Thank you for having me.
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So where are you joining us from today?
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I am logging in from a gorgeous city called Pune, which is in western India. Close to Mumbai.
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It's close to Mumbai. That's right. Okay. And why don't you, why don't we start out, why don't you tell us exactly what you do these days and then I want to kind of figure out how you got to be doing that.
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Sure. So I run a company called Earthwise and we're into multiple aspects, but predominantly one of the ones that we run workshops in is something called as NLP stands for Neuro Linguistic Programming. It's a behavioral science. The other aspects that we also work in are telepathy. So it's interspecies telepathic communication that goes hand in glove with something called a psychic abilities and mediumship. So it's a plethora of things from the outside, looks Very disjointed, but in actuality, beautifully overlaps one with the other.
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And then you have a website called Earthwise, and it's about outdoor education, how much of that is involved in what you do.
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All of it. Because anything that has to do with experiential learning or use of the outdoors that makes learning quick, easy and profound is what I would always resort to as a facilitator. So whether it's our NLP workshops or it has to do with telepathy, psychic abilities, predominantly, I love taking people outdoors into the mountains or the forest because there is something so innately available in a natural environment that makes learning really simple and easy and sensorily engaging. So the outdoor education part of it forms really the backdrop and then everything works against that.
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I'm glad I asked that question, because going on your website, it looks like you do outdoor education and then, oh, yeah, you do some NLP and some mediumship psychic stuff, you know, on the side. But the. So the outdoors is an experiential way to get the point across?
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That's right, yeah.
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Ah, that's amazing. So you have. Don't you have a degree in outdoor education?
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Yes, I do. So my master's is in outdoor education from the Trinity University in Wales. And that was something that I chose to walk an educational path with because I realized life until then had contributed to a lot of experience, but I was unable to put it into some kind of a formal structure, give it meaning, so to say. And that was the juncture in my life when I decided to get a formal degree and an educative approach in it.
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Now, tell me, did you do that? Did you get the masters in outdoor education to do what you're doing now? So was your interest in the NLP and in the, you know, in the telepathy stuff? So did you get that degree to help, though? Is that. Is that how you went about it?
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Interesting question. And honestly, I think so many things were unfolding in tandem with each other. So if you just. If I was to give you a bird's eye view of how things unfolded, if I may, because childhood started with outdoors playing a very vital role in our upbringing itself. So, you know, everything and anything, every holiday, every interaction with the outdoors was made to be so fun and meaningful. And I realized that for me and people around me, there were massive emotional, bodily, psychological changes happening every time we engage with the outdoors. So I was undoubtedly not just a witness, but an experiencer, if we may call it. So growing up to both outdoors and how psychology was working with each other. And then as I was completing the classical graduation processes, which actually I graduated in a subject called home science, which was a mixture of biology, psychology, science, nutrition. So there were a lot of things taught to us as a part of my primary graduation. And outdoors and sports and interest in NLP always continued. So I started my work with NLP and using outdoors from the beginning, from the time that I remember. And then I actually went on to complete multiple certifications and learning processes with NLP while I was doing my work in the outdoors. And then came a juncture where I had to cross the bridge to say, hey, let me actually formally learn outdoor education or understand the concept of experiential learning and add that view as well. And that's how it all unfolded. Yeah.
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So you said you grew up doing a lot of stuff outdoors. What sort of, what sort of childhood did you have? I have read that your parents were avid mountaineers, right?
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Yes, both of them did immense amount of mountaining. In fact, my mother was lucky to have Learned with Sherpa 10 Singh Norge, one of the first ones to climb Mount Everest with Sir Edmund Hillary. And so she trained under him. And the kind of experiences that both my parents got to our upbringing, I think it was a very wholesome upbringing. And I was, I wasn't a normal child, if I may call myself that in the perspective of a classical child who goes to school and does a very regimental life. And I constantly had a childhood that wanted to break away from things and was rebellious because I just didn't fit in in the classical sense. But I knew that my parents, I think I chose them in my soul contract because they could deal with the child like this, which was so non stereotypical as a personality. And so it was a very free, engaging childhood. And my father was somebody who, for example, I did multiple sports in school. I did horse riding, which was not something people around me at that time did back, you know, in the day that, okay, if I wanted to learn horse riding, for example, I had to take my own bicycle, ride an hour to a riding school far away, attend my classes and come back. So he said, you're interested, you figure your own way out. I'll give you all the resources, but you know, you need to actually do it. So there was a lot of ownership that I grew up with, a lot of accountability to what the blessings that came my way. And yeah, I think it was. I can't think of any other word than wholesome childhood and all this.
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Yeah, I love that phrase, accountability. Of the blessings that came my way. That's. I've never heard that put that way before, but that is, that is. That is very cool. I have to write that down. Accountability of blessings that came my way. That's awesome. So tell me more about the mountaineering. Did. Where did they do a lot of their mountaineering when they. Were they in the Himalayas?
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Yes, they were. And I think as a country, we are very lucky because we have a spectrum of topographies and geographies available. So we have the Himalayas up in the north, and then we have these huge mountain ranges in Central and South India. But then main mountaineering was largely for both my parents at the Himalayas. So when I was just about in second grade as well, my father took me to a mountain range where he did his mountaineering to. And as a second grader, I had to carry my own backpack. And that was something that he said, you have to learn to carry your own stuff and be responsible for it. My mother, for example, learned further eastward to a city called Darjeeling, which is closer to the China border. So she did a mountaineering in a different landscape as where they came from, but the Himalayas. Again, it's very interesting the way the Fold Mountains have formed. Every state in the Himalayas has a very different personality of the mountain. So people think it's just one big Himalayan range, but every state presents a different personality of the mountain. It. It has its own consciousness in every state that you go to. So, yeah, we travel quite a bit through those bells as children as well.
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Can you tell me more about that? What do you mean by. By the. The mountains having different personalities and consciousness? Can you go into that?
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Absolutely. So if you see, you know, this is a paradox that's. That presents itself sometimes as a viewer. Some of our very holy temples for Hindus in the country come from, let's say, a state called Uttarakhand, one of the states in Northern India where the Himalayas cuts through it. And as a religious place, you have thousands of devotees coming there every year. But the most unstable ground is that state. So highest amount of landslides. Cree. It's almost as if you are churned and challenged for you to just access a religious destination and it has to be a pilgrimage that you never come back being the same person. So that mountain, for example, rewards you and challenges you differently. And then you go towards further eastward to where we have what are called the Seven Sisters. And we have these beautiful states further eastward where racial, you know, just how races are in that area as well, is very different. It's a very Mongoloid race in that belt. The mountains there are very forgiving, is what I've realized, because history has probably tested people differently. So are the mountains in the Kashmir region, where for the longest time, in fact, some of the greatest civilizations that man has known, the Indus Valley civilization, for example, came from that belt of the Himalayas. Fertile land, metaphorically speaking, with intelligence and what the land had to offer. And it is just so forgiving and giving. So that's where I say that the level of consciousness in every place, and it's something for one to experience. I think language will fall short of what one actually experiences the minute you set foot on that land. And also, it's said that the mountain decides who climbs her and who doesn't. And there is no better way than testing this, if one wants to test, but experience the minute you get into the Himalayas.
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Yeah. I recently had a conscious filmmaker on the podcast who made a documentary, several documentaries in the Himalayas in the north there. And one of them was called the Road to Dharma. But they took eight people on motorbikes and went to the, I think the four highest peaks up there, and they went to. Went to temples up there. So it was like a pilgrimage. And in that thing, there was. There was unseasonal. Unseasonal rainfall. So there was lots of rock slides, just like you explained. Yeah, lots of rock slides made it quite difficult. Yeah, right, right.
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Because I think the aim of a pilgrimage traditionally also was that you make, you set an intent. You walk with that intent in mind, and then whatever challenges nature presents to you en route, you are meant to come out like a phoenix out of those, if you may use that analogy. And finally, I mean, you have to be so blessed to reach the temple by itself. And now, of course, we have motorable roads going all the way up. But you see, the force of nature, whatever roads are made, landslides will wash those away almost every few years. And, I mean, there's only so much man can exercise over nature.
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Right. Can you. Can you tell me more about NLP for people that might not know much about nlp? Can you explain a bit about that?
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Sure. So if we start by first just going into what NLP stands for as phrases. So neuro, linguistic and programming. From a layman's perspective, neuro would mean brain or mental abilities. Linguistics is both the language spoken and language heard. And programming basically relies on the fact that behavior has a structure. So everything that you're thinking in your psychology, your language is dictating how you feel, how you operate and then you can actually be the architect of your own life experiences. For example, if somebody says I don't want to feel angry, instead of that, if you were to what was classically called reframe or rephrase it to say if I don't want to feel angry, how would I like to feel? And the individual comes up with saying, ah, good question, never really thought about it. So the energies are actually supporting the word anger. Because that's all we're saying though, it's being negated that I don't want to. On the contrary, if you say, okay, if I don't want to feel angry, I'd rather like to feel calm or I'd like to feel more, you know, in control. That's where the physiology and the neurology of the body starts supporting an outcome in mind and behavior. So NLP is really a way of life and a really simple, fast acting tool for self work that one can apply.
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So you, so you teach, you're teaching people NLP as a, almost like a personal growth type type thing.
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Undoubtedly, you nailed it. Yeah. Also I think, my apologies, I'll just interject, but I think we now live in a very therapy culture and everything has to be, oh, let me seek guidance and advice from somebody else. And you constantly want the onus of control to be outside you. But in fact the fact that you created your own problems, you are the best person to know the solutions for your own problems as well. And NLP is something that helps you go within yourself and say you know yourself better than anybody else and if you came up with your own problems, you're fully competent in coming up with your own solutions. So there is no reason to seek and go to somebody else for advice. But you know, you can be your best guide.
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Really fascinating. I was, I listened to a really fascinating podcast recently. It was a five hour long podcast actually and it's, it's with a guy named Sean Ryan. And Sean Ryan was in some sort of U.S. military branch, maybe he was a Marine SEAL, one of those sorts of, one of the high level sort of ones. And I don't normally listen to military type stuff, but someone suggested I listen to this because they had a guest on there who was, I think he led a Marine platoon in Vietnam. But then he got into, and you'd be interested in this, he got into, during the Cold War, he got into running the division of the armed forces that was interested in remote viewing and telekinesis and all those sorts of things. And some of the stories he Told about that were just absolutely amazing. But one of the stories he told which actually had to do with nlp, he really got into NLP and they were, they had this challenge, they were going to train non pistol shooters to pistol shoot and they had a competition. He was going to train it through NLP and then the, the armed forces top marine, top pistol instructors were going to teach another group and at the end they were going to have a shoot off and see who could shoot better. And he actually using NLP practices taught these people to, they were actually, after six weeks or whatever it was, they were better shots than the people who went through the, the way the, the military trains them. And one of the things and the reason it resonated with me because it's, it's this for me it's the same with horse training. You're, I'm trying horses, I'm trying to set it up to where they almost cannot fail. And with them, with the regular marksmanship, they start at 25 yards, they get good at 25 yards and then they start to take the target further out. He started at point blank range, so the target is right in front of the pistol and then it's 2 inches away and then it's 4 inches away. And I'm not sure if that is an NLP thing, if that's related to NLP or not, but he somehow inferred that it was. Does that make any sense to you?
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Undoubtedly. In fact, as you were narrating this, there are so many different schools of thoughts now called schools of thought, but parts of research that actually complement what you mentioned, but in a classical way it is called neuroplasticity. So if we started at point blank range and the brain was able to understand that, hey, it's able to achieve something and then you know, you start moving back the. It's, it's just you're fooling the brain. So to say where you're saying, hey, it's still very much at point blank range. I may be X number of meters behind, but it's easily doable. And the plasticity of the brain is, you know, the brain is so malleable and very gullible if we may say, because it's, it's so naive. It says, hey, you want me to trust this and believe this, great, I will. But unfortunately we feed it such unresourceful things that it then gives us unresourceful outcomes. But I mean, look at this, sharing that you had such a beautiful use of it. But even if we were to take it metaphorically that marksmanship is literally focus and outcomes that you want. And it can be duplicated in any quarter of life, really. I mean, even if your brain is saying, if you're able to do this, you can do it somewhere else, and it just transfers the learning to a different context of life as well. So it's undoubtedly nlp. Yeah.
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There's something else that this guy talked about in that podcast, too, which was absolutely fascinating, which you being involved heavily in the natural world would. Would get. But he was. He was heavily involved in the lie detector test. Part of the army or the armed forces, whatever it was. And the armed forces, number one lie detector guy lived in an apartment in New York City, and he had house plants. So part of a lie detector test detects galvanic skin response, so moisture. And so one day he was watering his plants, and he thought, I wonder how long it takes the water to actually reach the leaves? So he hooked his house plants up to a lie detector, to the governing. You know, to the. Anyway, he figured out how long it takes the thing to reach the leaves, but he left it hooked up, and he noticed over a period of days that there were these waves on the. On the chart. And he spent some time trying to figure out what was causing these ups and downs on the graph. And it turned out that the plants were picking up on the emotions of people in the room. And then I'm not sure exactly how this part happened, but it had something to do with white blood cells from people. And he either injected white blood cells from people into the plant or something like that while it was hooked up to this lie detector test. And he put it in a Faraday cage so there was no outside influence. And he found that he could conduct a lie detector test on someone in another room and this thing would still operate the same. And then they got to where they were doing it further and further away, like in. Like down the block, around the corner, that sort of thing. And they actually got like a. Like a CIA operative or someone who's trained to pass a lie detector test to lie. Okay. And so they did this miles away, but the plants are hooked up to the lie detector test. So the guy in real life passes the lie detector test, but doesn't pass it with his white blood cells in this plant, and they end up doing it the furthest. The farthest away. They did. It was 50 miles. And when Sean Ryan said, do you. What. What's the limit of. What's the distance limit? And this guy said, I Don't think there's, there's a limit because you're not, you're not dealing with distances. You're dealing with energy and consciousness. And. Yeah, it was just fascinating.
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Yeah, I had not heard that experiment. Thank you for bringing it to light for me. I will definitely go dig it up.
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But I will, I'll, I'll send you a link afterwards to it. The guy's name's Colonel John Alex. Colonel John Alexander. And he was actually featured in a book that was called Men who Stare at Goats. And the book was about the, the army was trying to figure out how to disable enemy combatants with your mind. And there was an experiment where they had the. They were trying to get goats to drop dead by looking at them by certain brain waves. And so they, these, this group of armed forces guy ended up being called Men, the men who stare at goats, because they'd be sitting around just staring at these goats. And that is not that far removed from, you know, your telepathic interspecies communication. Different, different, you know, different outcome, but similar, similar sorts of things. So tell me about your telepathy stuff. Did you. Were your parents into that? I mean, I know, I know India is a very spiritual place and very. I, you know, I hate to say religious, but it is, but it's not. Well, it is, but it's not. I was in Bali recently and, you know, most of Indonesia is Muslim, but Bali's Hindu. And the people, they're amazing because it's a religion, but it's not a religion. It's. It's like a culture. It's like a. It's like a way of existing in the world. You know, I grew up Catholic, and as far as I knew, most Catholics were Catholic for an hour on Sunday. You know what I mean? And the rest of the week they were like everybody else. Whereas the Balinese people, you know, they're animists, and so they feel that every thing has a spirit and a consciousness and they interact with them in that way. And I think Indians are a little the same way too, aren't they? Sorry, this is long. This is a long ramble here. But, you know, it's, it's this, this telepathic interspecies communication is probably not that far of a stretch from hair grow up. But my question is, were your parents into that or how did you, how did that come about?
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Yeah. Thank you. It wasn't a ramble. It was just a lot of thoughts. I understand that you were trying to piece one into the other. But if you give me the freedom to start with one of the first parts of what you even mentioned with the experiment, and you actually brought forth by narrating that experiment a huge aspect what happens in telepathic work as well. Our plants and our animals actually end up doing what is called mirroring. And these are some of the jobs they do for us. And common people probably know this. You know, Edward Lawrence's butterfly effect, that's classically known. It's, you know, how everything cybernetically is connected one into the other. So even with this plant that was a part of the experiment, it is basically believed that this is where NLP comes in. Also that the body cannot lie, and body has no capability to lie. And even if in terms of our linguistics, one was able to fib and pull wool over someone's eyes, there is something in the body that will show misalignment and there will be an itch or a twitch or something in the body more so the immune system will start acting up, saying, you know, what you just said, absolutely in incongruence with what the reality is. And that's where probably the white blood cells, because the lymph nodes are going to be overactive, and there is so much happening physiologically, and that's something the plants will be picking up and that will get caught in that lie detector test as well. So these are some of the layers that are happening all the time. Even when you mentioned the experiment with the goats, that the men who just stare at goats is actually an example of the Heisenberg principle with basic law in physics that, you know, the level of consciousness of the observer changes the consciousness of what is being observed. So if this individual, for the greatest good, had raised their vibrational value to a degree, that it was going to affect, though the experiment was, you know, how is it affecting the goats? And physicality, but it will have a greater implication. Another example is, you know, we may go from one medic to another, they will prescribe the same medication. But the level of consciousness of the medic, who is the observer in this case, is going to affect how we feel on ingestion of that medication. So, I mean, these are some of the things that came up in my mind jumping out when you narrated that part of it. And coming to second aspect of what you asked as a question, Yes, I think this is where I would definitely again use the word blessed. In our land, we believe that there is in Sanskrit, it is said, we have a janma bhoomi and a karma bhoomi. So bhoomi means land. So it is believed that you sometimes are born in a land and then you continue to do your karmic actions in the same land. Whereas there are some people who are born somewhere else and their karmic actions will unfold in another part of the world. Probably in your case, for example, your Janmabhoomi is Australia and then your karma Bhoomi turned out to be the US or it's a combination of the two. India is not for the faint hearted and I don't speak from a touristic perspective at all. It's definitely not for the faint hearted from a touristic perspective. But even to be born in this land, if I take the view of the belief that you need to take multiple lives to achieve nirvana and moksha, this land rewards you and tests you like none others that I've ever traveled to. And thank you for saying that is, you know, you cautiously said, is it a religion? But honestly, Hinduism is meant to be a way of life. And people of the Hindu land, which were called the Hindus because they belonged to Hindu Kush or the Hindu land, did not know what religion meant till we didn't have invasions coming in. And then the entire concept of an invasion was that you take to, you know, control a population, you have to basically infiltrate their mind and their lives. And when you come with a religious belief into a land that doesn't have anything but animistic ways of life, the people living there say, oh, is religion necessary? Okay, let's call our way of life a religion. And you know, that's where it got tagged as a religion. But it's one of those unique ideologies and ways of life that you can't convert to. You have to be born into it. So there are many other major religions that you can convert to if you align with the ideology, but not with Hinduism. And telepathy as well fits in beautifully with this because all that was written in our scriptures. And again, coming to the fact that our scriptures were actually never really written, it was purely by narration and chanting that it was carried from one generation to the other. And just, you know, when I look back at the history, it's so beautiful that there was a reason nothing was earlier written down because the adaptation of the same scriptures was naturally permitted from one generation to the other. You know, you have in Sanskrit we call them yugas, that means phases or years. And it's one phase into another, one generation into another. And something that was of relevance to the first generation maybe is of no relevance to the next. It's like a software update is required from a few days to the next. And that was what the practice was meant to do. But once the invasion started coming in and people started realizing that our way of life is probably going to evaporate very soon. Before that, let's put it down. That's where the scriptures and manuscripts were written, and now they are written forever. And people are still doing their best to fit and compare life to that saying, oh, it was written in the scriptures. Doesn't apply now. What do we do? But the earliest forms of whatever was downloaded to human beings as a way of life was also said to be telepathic in its way. You take the simple sound of om that is known to be intrinsic to Hindu ways of life. Later science proves that that's the single sound that exists in the universe and space. Scientists were saying, oh, the only one sound is an omnipotent up there. And millions of years back, people in the. In the civilizations here noted it down and put it into practice as a resonance and a way of being. And in a way that's so naturally telepathic, there is no other explanation to it. So, yeah, telepathy and interspecies work is very deeply ingrained in our land here. Yeah.
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But not everybody specializes into it. So where did your path start to head more in that direction? Like, when did you decide or what made you decide that that's what I want to do?
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So if we view it as spirituality rather than religious practices, I think both my parents were never into idol worship. Grandparents were never into it. They were more about leading a righteous life and do good and good will happen. But chants and mantras and, you know, righteousness comes out of you following some way of life, really. And chants and mantras and these religious aspects were definitely there that got us to a spiritual way of life growing up. And there are many around me who are never exposed to it. So don't believe in it, don't understand the power. And each on, each to their own, really. I mean, something will get them on that path when it's their time. But I was blessed with a grandmother who had a master's in Sanskrit. So chanting Sanskrit scriptures was something that was followed every day at sunrise and sunset. So we weren't permitted to eat our meal till we didn't say our prayers. And the basic prayers just encapsulated. Saying, make me a good human being, keep me aligned with the source energy, bless everything around me, bless everyone around me, were the gist of the kind of Prayers we had. So, yeah, I do owe that to my parents as well to bring us into the, you know, fold off such kind of spiritual practices.
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Okay, can you, can you tell me more about the next step though? Like, you know, you grandparents are into that, but you've kind of specialized in it. When. Excuse me, when did you. When did you really start to get on that path? And I've had people in the podcast before who, you know, can do basically telepathic interspecies communications. And I've asked them, you know, when did it start? And some of them said, you know, it was my first language, you know, before I could actually, before I was. When I was pre verbal, you know, I could do it. And I never lost it. Some people have had, you know, whether it's interspecies or. I had a lady on the podcast who was a psychiatrist here in America, went to school, did all the postdoc stuff, was a practicing psychiatrist. One day she's sitting in her office with a client and suddenly she gets this voice that says, I'm the dead grandmother of this person. I've got a message for them. And now she sits. She sits with a line of shamans in Mongolia, but had no previous introduction to that sort of thing. It just came to a one day and totally changed your life. So how did this come about for you?
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Nice question. So I think from childhood, people called me an extremely talkative child because I would voice the opinion of, let's say, a table, and I would voice the opinion of a flower and a fruit. And I consciously never did it. And they would say, my God, what a storyteller. How did you know what the fruit was thinking? And people would just discard it, saying, you know, absolute banter and blabber and there is nothing to it. I didn't make anything of it until I didn't actually start more conscious engagement with nature and outdoors. And there was something that I couldn't put my finger on it. And in all honesty, can I still put my finger on it and say this is where it started? And this was exactly the moment where I realized probably not. And I think it's second nature to all of us. It's a matter of when we trust and believe it to be so. But what led me formally to walk this path was one of our dogs lived to be 18 years old. And she was actually got home when I was less than a year old. She saw me into adulthood and she passed away a month after my father passed away. And I was saying, this is interesting. She was a healthy, fit animal. Till my father was alive, she was fit as a fiddle. She looked like a 7 year old and nobody would know she was 18. And the day he passed away a month later, her health started plummeting. And I was seeking answers since then. When that happened for the first time, I was then living and working in a farm in Iceland for a full year and working with sheep and horses. There were so many phenomenon I realized were happening that were unexplainable by concrete science. I was only witness to it, but I was experiencing it. And just a year after that, one of our dogs again passed away. And that's where something inside me pushed me, saying, no, find answers. Just don't say, wow, something is happening and I don't know what it is, and seek those answers. And I formally came to know about the concept of telepathic interspecies work. I started doing workshops and I said, oh, everything was not woo woo in childhood. This was exactly what was happening. So I was able to give a name to what I was experiencing. And then I formally started walking the path in the early 2000s. And honestly, you know, I believe that a river is made out of multiple rivulets and beautiful brooks and streams that make the river what it is. So once I started flowing down this path, I realized, oh, it's opening up something else. So then pranic healing opened up and then that opened up, you know, let's say psychic abilities, sound healing, and I mean, there is no ending kinesiology, muscle testing, applied kinesiology. There's just so many layers that came up after that one leading into another.
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B
What took you to Iceland?
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So it was right after graduation and I wasn't too sure what I wanted to do in life that was way back in late 1990s. And I wasn't too sure I was an absolute space cadet because I didn't fit into any stereotypical way of profession. And I had a word with my mother and she said, go, you know, you know, five, fly free for a year, whatever you wish to do. Which was again, something not known in a culture like ours, which is so demanding of having a concrete profession and that you must be very linear in, in life. But thanks to these parents that I had, they've permitted me to do something crazy. So I spent a year in Iceland doing a cultural exchange program and I worked on volunteering on a dairy farm that had cows and sheep and horses. And we grew stuff on the farm. And I had the most magnanimous time of my life. It Changed me as a human, made me humble. And did I come back with a moment of epiphany saying, I know what my calling in life is? No. But did I come back as a changed, aligned human being? Undoubtedly, yes. So, yeah, that took me to Iceland.
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B
You mentioned about more studies, I think, about telepathic communication. Did that or. No, Maybe a course or something. Did you do that in Iceland?
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A
No, I didn't. I actually learned formally with Maya Kinket, who comes from Sedona in the US So I did it at that time because there were no known teachers classically in India, though our shamanic practices in the villages definitely live that. I mean, they're the epitome of telepathy and telepathic work. But there was something inside me that just wanted to learn in a slightly more structured manner and give taglines for something. Oh, this is called this. And Maya was the best way forward. So I started my learning with Maya Kinkett at the Sedona School of Animal Communication. Then I went on to learn with Carol Gurney, that runs the Gurney School of Animal Communication in California. Learned with Kim Pickett, who worked as a psychic medium with the CIA and the FBI. And that was more formally walking the paths in my early days.
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B
Tell me more about Kim Pickett. Was that a name?
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A
That's right. Yeah.
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B
She's. I'm sure she knows this Colonel John Alexander guy that was on the podcast because he. He ran the whole thing for the FBI and the CIA. Tell me more about her.
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A
Yeah, so she works as a bionic healer. And in fact, what would interest you also is that she does a lot of work with horses as well. And she is, if I remember right, I had attended her workshops in Philadelphia. This was way back in 2000s. And she's. I hope she's still running physical workshops, if not know, online that physical workshops are going on. And that was where, though I enrolled with her for telepathy and building that muscle, once I was in that room, I realized, ooh, there is far more to it than just telepathy. I mean, this is psychic ability work and it's remote viewing. And we did such a huge mix bag of learnings with her. It was. It was mind boggling and expansive. So, yeah, Kim Picket was somebody I owe this trusting disability. Took quite a bit for her as the medium.
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B
The other people attending this thing, what sorts of people were they? What were their motives for attending this sort of thing?
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I think a lot it was mixed because there were some who were already believers that telepathy existed. There were a couple in the room who came as skeptics. There were some who had worked with her one on one, either for their dog or their cat or their horse and wanted to be able to learn themselves. So it was quite a heterogeneous group of people. And I think it's learning spaces like that that make it fun. Because if everybody thinks the same, you never will have qualitative discussions and you know, its applications will never be explored. So again, even at Kim's workshop, we had mixture of individuals did.
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B
Was there any like telekinesis type stuff?
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Not at the. We. I think we had done a two or a three day workshop with her. So not telekinesis.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
But she definitely worked with psychic abilities and remote viewing and applications of telepathy at that point.
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B
Okay. The, the. That Colonel John Alexander I listened to on the, on that podcast, he went to a lot of things where they would, you know, they would bend spoons, things like that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And he took, he took a high ranking military official there. So this, I think the. I think the person below the United. The highest person in the military in America would be the Secretary of Defense, I think. So he answers to the President, whoever the next guy is down from him, he took that guy. And the first time that this, this high ranking official saw someone bend a spoon, he turned to Colonel John Alexander and he looked him dead in the eye and he said, I wish I hadn't seen that. It's so true. Yeah. Whoa. Life is not what I thought it was.
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Very true. I think it bends your beliefs. If I metaphorically say that it bends your old beliefs to be to something new, and the possibilities and the probabilities of mind and thought and its applications, it's mind boggling. I've witnessed it happen as well. But some of the psychic workshops that I've done with the Arthur Findlay College in London and one of our professors there was doing this and it was amazing to witness. And. Yeah.
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B
So it sounds like you've been to Philadelphia, you've been to Sedona somewhere. And where was it in California that you went to?
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A
I honestly, I don't remember the name of the town, but it was Highway 101 because I'd driven them myself on the opposite side of the road. So I had to concentrate a lot on making sure that I drove safe. But I was very close to San Jose. It was about an hour after San Jose. Okay, and that's where Carol Gurney stayed. Yeah.
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B
Okay. And then you just said you went to some Sort of a college in London about some of these too. What was, what were they? What specifically were they teaching there?
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Nice. So the Arthur Findley College in London runs workshops specifically for psychic abilities mediumship and exploring our applications with these tools and skills. So I through the pandemic, I did a lot of online workshops with them. I felt the pulse of all the facilitators they had and learned quite a bit. And then I thought, no, I need to physically be in that 200 year old gorgeous building and you know, soak in everything that that land has to offer and the people. So I traveled there a couple of years back to physically do workshops for psychic abilities, consciousness related aspects. There's something called as healing mediumship. So you act as the medium to heal somebody in a slightly different way. So you're channeling, you know, working with your spirit team to heal somebody around you. And those are some of the sessions that I did or the courses that I attended with the art of Findlay College.
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B
Wowzers. And there's something else I read in your bio that I really want to know about. It mentions multiple intelligence theory. What is multiple intelligence theory?
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A
So Howard Gardner is in a myth, I think, an American scientist, if I remember him right, and he has coined the multiple intelligences theory, which is such a gorgeous piece of work that, you know, we tend to get typecast to say, oh, you know, you show mathematical prowess, so you must be such a mathematical whiz kid. Or you show, you know, you plant everything and you have green fingers. You must make a profession out of that. But what Gardner presented was that we have multiple intelligences, though we may be predominantly inclined towards one or two. You know, you would have something called as sporting intelligence or physiological intelligence. You may have spatial intelligence. You have such immense ability to visualize something and you know, see a bird's eye view when something is not physically in front of you. So he posited the fact that you have multiple intelligences and for you to be this amazing human being, even if you think you are trained or inclined towards one or two, you can actually build the others and become so much better and more fruitful to your existence on the planet. So that's the multiple intelligences theory.
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B
Yeah, I think you're living proof of that. Okay, so I have to ask you this question when I. So I was put in contact with you from another podcast guest, Amelia Thomas, who was writing a book on listening to animals, I believe is the broad overview of it. And she said, I know someone who'd be really interesting for Your podcast. And she put me in contact with you, and I asked you about being on the podcast and you said, well, I can't right now because I'm at a wild tiger sanctuary or something. Tell me about what were you doing at a. Is that what it was, a wild tiger sanctuary? Yeah.
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A
So they are. They're what I call tiger reserves or national parks in our country. And we were conducting a workshop there at that point in time, so there was limited connectivity. And I love taking people to landscapes where you understand the real value of connectivity. And it's not limited to a cell phone. And you have to be completely off the classical grid to be in connection with the natural grid. And something that. Merlin Sheldrake says that it's the World Wide Web, so it's like the Wood Wide Web. So you connect and plug into the Wood Wide Web, so to say. And that's where we were. And we were conducting an advanced workshop on telepathy and working with elements of nature and understanding, you know, yoga sutras and stuff like that. Yeah, we do Wim Hof breathing. And there is so much. It just. It just excites me when I just think about what work happens in the outdoors.
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B
And are you around tigers while you're doing that?
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Yes, a couple of days. We are in the national park. But you know how the Indian national parks work is you have to be in a vehicle and you can't be on foot. So you can be on foot in the periphery peripheries and the buffer areas, but you can't be on foot inside, specifically tiger reserves. But there are some national parks, let's say, in the Himalayas, where you have the snow leopards or you will have a certain kind of sheep available, or you have the red pandas, where being on foot is allowed. But in central India forests where the workshops are conducted, we are conducting it in the buffer areas of the forest. But when we actually go into the tiger reserve space, the demark space, we have to be in a vehicle, but we can still apply telepathy and experience and explore it, even if we are in a motorized vehicle.
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B
So when you are in a vehicle, do you often see targets?
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Very often, yeah.
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B
Oh, really?
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Yeah. Very often, yeah. Yeah.
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B
Wow, that's good. That's got to be. That's got to be almost a spiritual experience, doesn't it? Seeing a. Oh, my God. An. A majestic animal like that in the wild.
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Spiritual experience is an understatement. It is so. I mean, you know, the best testimony is, for example, my husband is a Wildlife guide. And he and his colleagues and people who work every day in the park as well. Even if they must have seen their umpteenth tiger, they have lost count of how many million times they've seen a tiger. But every time they see a tiger or a leopard or even if it can be just a herd of, let's say, what we call barasinga, that's. That are the, you know, a certain kind of deer, the excitement levels are the same. I mean, one would turn around and say, hey, you're seeing it the millionth time. But the excitement at seeing that animal is you can't contain it. I mean, that's the authenticity of the experience because you can't fib muted excitement. You have to be just in awe. There are times where your camera doesn't click because it's the magnanimity of that animal that just catches you off guard.
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B
So your husband is a wildlife guide. What exactly does he do doing that?
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A
So he specializes in mammals, Indian mammals and birds. And he predominantly works with what is called inbound tourism. So a lot of people from outside the country travel to India for specific wildlife experiences. So he helps curate that for them and lead those wildlife tours. Because there are some photographers who come, let's say, for photographing a species of sparrow. So you have to really know tracking skills to know which tree, what time of the day does that sparrow come and nest, and they may be migratory. So you really have to know the fabric of the nature there, as well as even tracking a feline takes a whole set of skills that are highly telepathic. Let's say, for example, you reach a crossroad and you're not too sure where to go. There are no alarm calls. And you just have to read the forest very differently. And you can't read it using any technology saying, okay, let me scan and check. And you can't use drones. You just have to purely use your gut and say, okay, let's go right instead of going left. And, you know, that's what telepathy in action. And I'm, you know, jealousy doesn't visit me very often, but I'm really jealous of my husband's career and professional choices as well, because he officially gets to go into forest nine months of the year and gets paid for it. Can you imagine what a life that is?
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B
And, yeah, where did he learn all of his stuff?
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So his maternal family actually lived very close to a tiger reserve. So his summer holidays or his holidays were close to a forest. And his father. So my father in law is a PhD in zoology. So they always had animals at home and discussions about animal care and they grew up with fish and dogs and cats around them. So he too came with a lot of exposure of the natural world growing up and it's a no brainer that, you know, he would have never succeeded in any other classical profession. He, his soul is alive when he is in the outdoors.
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B
So yeah, has the reason I asked that. I was wondering if he had because what you're explaining as far as the tracking and the, you know, the telepathic nature of some of the decisions you make. I was just wondering if he had anything to do with any of the Tom Brown stuff here in the US you ever, you ever heard of Tom Brown?
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A
No, I haven't. Pardon my ignorance on that.
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B
But yeah, he, he teaches. I don't even know if Tom Brown's still alive, but he was the father of this whole movement of teaching. He calls it the Way of the Scout. But it's, it's about, it's about tracking and, and it's, it gets to where it's almost like a bit of a spiritual experience being able to, to do that stuff. You mentioned Merlin Sheldrake before. He's Rupert Sheldrake's son, isn't he?
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A
That's right, yeah.
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B
Right, yeah. I'm a big fan of Rupert Sheldrake. I think, I think I have read a book of Merlin Sheldrake's too about. Is it that he said, do you write the one about Mycelium?
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A
That's right. An Entangled Life.
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B
Entangled Life, yes, yes.
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Yeah. Such a gorgeous piece of work and just so fluidly written and mind boggling is just, it's beautifully written and there's so much earnestness in his writing and it doesn't seem like Merlin is going out there to convince people that, you know, trust me and believe what I'm putting down. But the earnestness with which he's written his work, I think I can't help but have, you know, witness people gravitate towards understanding what he's put down.
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B
Yeah, all that, all that stuff, his work and, you know, Rupert's work.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, those were ideas that, you know, I didn't, I didn't grow up with, really. And so it's so interesting to start to delve into. And I say I didn't grow up with that. But what's really interesting is, you know, I said I grew up Catholic and everybody's Catholic for an hour once a week. But I grew up on a. On a farm. And if you're going to put. We call them a boar in America, they would call them a well. But if you're going to drill for water, you have someone come out and divine for water, and they'll either use two sticks or two bent pieces of wire. But what was really interesting. What was really interesting was the guy that did it in the area where I grew up was a Catholic priest. But it's. But it's almost like they're two separate things. You know, there's a Catholic over here and I do that over there. But those two aren't related. You know, you're not really tapping into the divine. It was just a. It was a really interesting juxtaposition of those two things that the water diviner was the Catholic priest and no one thought anything of it, but they didn't think those two were related. You know what I mean?
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A
True. Because I think they're viewing religion as such a linear way of thinking that you can't be thinking beyond what the book may tell you. But actually, since you bring up Rupert Sheldrick, Rupert's recent work on science and spirituality is throwing light exactly on this, that somebody who thought themselves to be absolutely non believers are gravitating towards spiritual experiences as well as those who took themselves as very. How shall we frame it without sounding.
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B
You're putting your NLP to work right now, aren't you?
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A
So, for example, the priest that you mentioned, that one wouldn't expect him to apply something or spiritually be so aligned in terms of application that a lot of what they are doing, let's say it's confined to that building or the book. But Rupert's work is actually showing that there is so much commonality in whether it's a priest or it's a commoner. Both are aligning to acknowledging spirituality in everyday life. And it's not paranormal and supernatural, but it's so natural and second nature. And in fact, his recent two books, one called Science and Spirituality and the second one Ways to Go beyond, both throw light on exactly this. They're such beautifully fluidly written books again. And I'm not surprised that Merlin writes like his father.
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B
So, yeah, yeah, I'll have to. I'll have to look those two up because I have not. I'm. I'm in a bit of a book hole right now. I've been looking for a book to listen to, so I'll have to. I'll have to look those up. You know, we might do now is get to you chose some questions for me to ask you and I'm going to be fascinated by these answers. And the first one is what book do you recommend most to people? Not necessarily your favorite book, but the one that you recommend to other people.
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A
Yeah, I really love that question purely because it got me thinking to be able to pin, let's say, an umbrella of a book that then encapsulates the work of multiple other people. So the one book that has, I have used it literally like a Bible, is a book by a British anthropologist called Gregory Bateson. And the name of the book is Steps to an Ecology of Mind. And I think Gregory Bateson, he was an anthropologist, a social scientist. And this book, Steps to an Ecology of Mind, it stands out as seminal work because it encompasses anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, biology, information theory. But from a common man's understanding, it's mainly focusing on cybernetics, which is the science of saying form and patterns between living and non living systems. So he doesn't even say living and non living things or organism. He says living and non living systems are all interconnected. So there are two things that his book brings up. One is this debunking a very traditional reductionist approach of seeing things as phenomenon and isolated parts. You know, a very Newtonian view saying everything has to be very linear. So he debunks that saying everything is systemically connected, one into the other. You know, simple examples he gives are the way you see animal structures in nature are exactly how social structures are. And you can either be like an octopus where you have a central control system and each arm is responsible to the central control system, but does its own thing, it has the freedom to do its own thing. And in conversely, if you take a millipede or a centipede, they all follow one single belief and everybody has to follow right behind, like the digits or the sections of a centipede or a millipede. And he said, you know, systemically we can actually see things as parts or a bigger whole. I mean, if you look at the way medicine is nowadays, unfortunately modern medicine and pharma looks at body as parts, doesn't look at body as a whole. Everything what's wrong in the stomach is going to affect what's happening in your back and your shoulders and your head and your knees. But we tend to isolate everything. So his view of cybernetics, of everything being connected, is just mind bogglingly beautiful. So that's one aspect of Gregory Bateson work. And the second one, something that I loved from an NLP background was what he wrote about the double bind theory. And what double bind actually means is that he figured this while working with strizophenics and people with PTSD. Right after World War II, when he was studying people with PTSD, he realized that, you know, a linguistics has paradoxes in it all the time. Each one of us is speaking in paradoxes. And it is the beauty of these paradoxes that can make our communication either resourceful or unresourceful. And the resourceful application of his paradoxes, the most beautiful application of it, is with Dr. Milton Erickson, who was known as some of one of the greatest hypnotherapists the world has known, who actually used this double bind theory for healing work with a client all the time. So Gregory Bateson work is just unbelievably beautiful. So, yeah, that's the one book that stands out because it encapsulates people like Merlin Sheldrake's work, Rupert Sheldrake's work, Dr. David Hawkins, that speaks about interconnectedness and consciousness. Gregory Bateson's work also encapsulate in it someone like Henry Thurow that wrote Walden, another incredible piece of work. So I think this stepstone Ecology of Mind is an umbrella, and I would see multiple other books underneath it if I'm in. Greedy in naming many books in one.
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B
Question, but you can name as many books as you want. But yeah, okay, so that I. I think I'm gonna have to skip those Rupert Sheldrake books and I'm gonna. I've never ever heard of that book. So. And his name is Gregory Bateson.
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A
That's right.
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B
Okay.
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An Englishman, but he later on, like Janma and Karma Bhumi. Born in England, but he lived a large part of his life in the U.S. okay, wow.
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B
There you go. You mentioned. You mentioned octopuses in. In that. And have you ever seen that documentary, My Octopus Teacher?
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A
What a gorgeous piece of work. Right? It's just so beautiful. And.
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B
Yeah, that's amazing. After I watched that movie, I read a book called the Soul of an Octopus, which was. And the. And the soul of an Octopus. Let me look this up. The subtitle of the Soul of an Octopus is a Surprising exploration into the wonder of consciousness.
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A
Oh, thank you for throwing light on that. I want to look that up.
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B
Fascinating. Fascinating book. Actually, I think right before I had Amelia on the podcast, she had just been to the aquarium in Baltimore, and that's where the lady that wrote that book spent a lot of time with different octopuses. And. Yeah, yeah, Fascinating. I think octopuses could be. Well, are way more evolved than we are.
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I second you on that. I mean, just plain video footage of watching an octopus shapeshift blend into something within the blink of an eye. It just shows how gorgeously you can be one with anything around you and not stick out like a sore thumb, though he applies it for survival. At the crux of it, it is just our adaptability and just. It's just beautiful to walk to an octopus, even in. In nature.
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B
Yeah. What was really interesting, one of the many, many interesting things in that book was that octopuses have photoreceptor cells in their skin. That's how they can change color of the thing that's right underneath them because they basically have eyes and their skin.
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A
Beautiful.
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B
Amazing. Okay, next question. If you could spend, if you could spend, if you could spread a message throughout the world, one that people would listen to, what would that be? And. Or your favorite quote?
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A
Yeah, I would. I think I would settle with the favorite quote. And it's one of the greatest spiritual masters I have known. His name is Avatar Meher Baba. And a Zoroastrian gentleman who lived a life of unique being. And the statement he made is mastery in servitude. And I absolutely love and align with this statement that says mastery in servitude. Because let's say we isolate the word servitude here, that for you to serve somebody, you have to have a certain level of commitment, integrity and ability as well. And for you to be able to serving, to serve others, you have to first receive so that you have something to give and serve with. So I realized that just in the statement mastery and servitude, there were balancing of both channels. You had to receive graciously and with gratitude to be able to give, multiplying this graciousness and gratitude to somebody else. And I think that really puts together what our job as a telepathic medium is or as a psychic medium is because if you surrender wholeheartedly to say what is meant to flow through me for the person or the people in front of me, without me adding or deducting anything, or without my ego being in the center, I can actually make mastery and servitude the motto of life. So this is one statement that really, I mean, it just subliminally is in my head all the time.
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B
I love that there was. You just said something. Reminded me of a book I read a while ago by a British. I think he's a naturalist and it was called a Charles Foster is his Name and the book is called being a human 50,000 years, an exploration of 50,000 years of consciousness. But in that book, he was. What he did with him and his son went to the north of England, lived in the forests like hunter gatherers for quite a period of time. And, you know, one of the things he said was that after not eating for nine days, he started to hallucinate a little bit and started to actually have be able to see different realities. But in this, he was talking about being in the forest with these trees and he said, I've never really seen a tree. He said, actually, it's been such a long time since I've seen, actually seen anything. Because when I look at a tree, I quantify what, how tall it is, what color it is, I quantify what species it is. And because I know a lot about trees, I quantify whether it's deciduous or not, and I quantify what diseases it has. And I have all these judgments and stories about the tree. He said, but I've never really seen a tree. He said, I once met a man who could see a tree and it scared me so much I left that temple in the Himalayas, took a bus back to Mumbai or wherever and flew back home. And that passage really hit me like, yes, when we look at something, are we actually seeing it? Are we just projecting a whole lot of stories about, you know, so what we're looking at is not as clear as it would be if we didn't have all that, those layers of stuff.
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So true. But I would, since you bring up the Himalayas, I would add one layer here that a lot of yogic practices ask you to refrain from food as a part of exactly this outcome that this gentleman received, that if you were to plug away from materialistic things that feed you, literally and figuratively speaking, food being a point in case, and you were able to be fully present in an environment that is so non judgmental. And I mean, if you classically think about it, trees and forests and mountains are so non judgmental of us. And for you to be there and not be engrossed in when is my next meal going to come? What am I going to cook? Does you know, what shall I put in it? And the stomach being engrossed in processing it. In fact, every sensory layer then is engaged in fully being present in the here and the now. That's the classic thing about being and there was all the religious or spiritual practices actually ask you to refrain from food so that you reach a more evolved level of consciousness. So, yeah, I'm glad that he puts that down in that book, which I'm going to devour and find and get my hands on.
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Yeah, he wrote two books. One's called Being. Well, he might have written more, but the two I've seen is one's called Being a Human and the other one's called Being an Animal. But yeah, that book's Being a Human is mostly about if we live to like hunter gatherers, how would we be different? But it's interesting that you said, you mentioned that part of that spiritual work is refraining from food and that helps bring on levels of consciousness. I mentioned Tom Brown before and I've had someone on the podcast who she's now a regenerative farmer, but she spent a lot of time being a wilderness tracker and went to a lot of the Tom Brown type schools. And you get to, just like your husband does, like you, you get to know what bird sounds are actually saying, whether they're saying there's, there's a predator there or, you know, things like that. And I had a lady give me a book by this Tom Brown. And in this book it's so he, he, Tom Brown learned a lot of this stuff from an old Native American. But in this book, he, it's a story about what he, how he learned this stuff and what he learned. And they'd go on these, what they'd call scouting parties. And so this guy would give them like, okay, I want you to go and sneak, sneak into these campers or these hunters, whatever, camp at night and have a look around and not be seen. And it gets to where it's very much about stealth. But he, he, he alludes to the fact that if you can do this right, you can almost become invisible. And it sounds kind of far fetched in the book, but he said you almost become invisible where someone could actually look at you and not recognize you as a person being there. And I recently saw the lady who gave me the book and her husband teaches this wilderness survival stuff and I mentioned that to her. I said, that's really interesting. She goes, a lot of that has to do with sleep deprivation. Like he will keep you up for nights on end doing, going on these what he calls raiding parties or scouting parties or whatever. And she said it has something to do with staying awake for that long where your consciousness kind of shifts. And it sounds a little bit like the refraining from food thing too.
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Oh, yeah, undoubtedly. In fact, when you mentioned this thing about being invisible, I chanced about and chanced upon a documentary on Netflix Because I was looking for something to practice my Spanish, and I chanced upon a Spanish documentary, or it's a film called the Green Frontier. And it actually puts together a lady following a shamanic tribe in the Amazons, Amazonas River. And it actually shows how these tribals, earlier, when modern man went there to capture them, the actual shamanic practitioners were so evolved, used to just blend in and become the ground. And these travelers would walk past them and not notice them because they were so, I think, so evolved in just blending in and becoming whatever they wanted to become. Octopus like. And, yeah, that suddenly brought that documentary in mind.
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So it's. It's in Spanish.
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It's in Spanish and it's on Netflix called the Green Frontier.
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B
Okay, I'll have to look that one up. That one sounds fascinating. You know, a really good friend of ours from New Zealand who's been in the podcast, I think, three times now, her husband, her name's Jane pike, but her husband was a documentary filmmaker for National Geographic. And one of the earliest stories that he told me that when I was starting to get interested in this sort of thing was he. He said that they'd go to, you know, some village in the jungle and. And they'd film. Live with the tribe and film with them, you know, and this is like very, very, very thick jungle. And they'd. They'd leave the village and they'd. They'd go off with these. These guys every day, and they. They walk for hours looking for food, things like that. And they'd always come back to the village from a different direction, but there was no paths. And he said the. The canopy so thick that you can't really tell where the sun is, but they could always find their way back, no matter how far they went. And he. I guess they had an interpreter or whatever, but one day he asked the someone, you know, how do you guys. How do you guys find your way back? He says, oh, that's easy. We just talk to the animals. And Joel said to him, but I've never seen you stop and actually look up and, like, go to a monkey. And he goes, oh, we don't talk to the animals. And he kind of points to the top of his head and he goes, we talk to the animals. And Giles was a little astounded by that and communicated. So. And the guy realized that Giles couldn't do it. And he's like, you can't do that? And he's like, no. And so the guy called all the kids from the village, like, come here, come here. Kids, I've got to show you something. This guy can't talk to the animals. So it's not as. It. Not is it possible as you know, but in some places it's normal.
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Undoubtedly.
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And those are the. So, sorry, I was going to say, and those places are the places that we come from, meaning, you know, that's. That's how we are supposed to be. And I've had. Oh, I've had a. There's a book called Radical Wholeness by a guy named Philip shepherd. And I've had Philip on the podcast, and he talks about a West African tribe called the Anglo Eva tribe. And they think we have like 11 senses or something, rather not the five that we tend to think of. And, yeah, he talks a lot about, you know, talks a lot about that sort of stuff. But, yeah, I think what you're doing is. The stuff that you are doing is tapping into who we all actually are. And you mentioned before, you know, that we all have the ability to do this. And I think a lot of times, you know, as children, we, you know, the society we live in tells, you know, tells us to dampen that down. Like, you're just talking about imaginary friends or you're talking gibberish or whatever, you know.
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Absolutely. Even this example you gave about the tribal saying that we are talking to them and pointing towards the head. A fun fact. I'm. Unfortunately, you know, a lot of people in our own country don't know this, but earlier in. During the Vedic times. So the Vedas are the scriptures that were passed down typically in Vedic times, when a young boy, for example, was initiated into learning the scriptures or learning a holistic way of life, you know, their hair would be shaved in such a way that they only had a tiny ponytail right at the crown of their head. A tiny little ponytail. And that ponytail was an indicator of an antenna that was meant to gather and capture and get you connected with the source energy. And actually, if you see it lines up with the pineal gland right in the center of their head. And that's where it was believed that, oh, if you're learning the scriptures and you're not just merely chanting, but you're surrendering to something, then you have to have that little tail at the. Like a ponytail at the back, because that's your antenna to connect to a spiritual space. And I'm sure almost every shamanic tribal practice had to survive and learn how to live with elements of nature just by being in alignment with the divinity of nature around them. So I'm not Surprised. But it's beautiful that somebody was able to document it and pen it down and capture it for a modern man to know.
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You know, you talk about the hair. There's a. There's a article I've read about. During World War II, the US government would get Native American trackers because they wanted to. Wanted to use their tracking abilities. And so they'd put them in the army and they'd take them overseas. But as per military guidelines, they would shave their heads. And once they shaved their heads, they could not track because it's like antenna. Like that. The unseen. The unseen things they can pick up on those things that are not of. Yes, I can see a track, but the. That's that. That those other senses. Part of it was that, you know, Native Americans have long hair. Part of it was the. The hair is like. Is like an antenna. And it's funny, Jane, the one whose husband was the documentary filmmaker, she was saying that the. All those indigenous people that her husband would be around, their toes did not stick out straight. Their toes actually bent up and pointed straight up, and they're like antenna. Have you. Have you ever seen that?
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Yes, undoubtedly. And thank you for mentioning that, because most tribals in every part of the world that I've traveled to and interacted with, tribals that especially walk barefoot because they're so earth and grounded, their toes are, you know, you have, you know, toes that spread wide, so they are more almost like a natural tripod, like splayed fingers, a tripod holding them strong and grounded and toes pointing upward. It's almost as if I never interpreted it as antennas, but it was just a way of being there and plugged in was how I was interpreting it all this while. But it's nice to give it the analogy of. And then dinner.
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I'd never seen it. And then last year, we went on a whale watching trip to Costa Rica and with several of my podcast guests, organized it. And one of them, or both of them are animal communicators. But they. There's a lady down there that they call the whale whisperer. We're going to go out with this lady. And when she. The first few days we went out, she wasn't available. But when she finally came out with us, I was sitting up the front of the boat with her, talking to her, and I looked down and her toes stuck straight up like that. And I'm like, I wanted to get my phone and take a picture of her feet without being obvious about it. But, yeah, it was so interesting that I heard this story about these toes sticking up and her, the whale whisperer lady's toes stuck straight up.
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How fascinating. Right.
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B
So you, during that day, you mentioned that you have spent quite a bit of time with different indigenous tribes. What countries have you spent.
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Yeah.
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Or what countries have you spent time with people in?
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So I think most predominantly, of course, different states in. Within India itself, because every state has its own native population as indigenous communities, and they represent life and live life very differently. So it's again, within our own country. Then Guatemala, I lived with some indigenous communities, the Kachikel community, for example, and actually saw how they farmed and they lived with everything around them. Then Costa Rica was another place, but I was working on a turtle project, so it was not directly with indigenous, but I worked with another indigenous community in Bolivia, so working on a shamanic farm. And there as well, I realized that this was a section of people that didn't want to follow what the church asked them to do. And they were ready to break away from what was expected of them. Guatemala as well, a lot of them did go to the church because they knew no other way of expressing their love for the source energy but go to a church. But the way they. Or the rituals they did inside a church were anything but Catholic, and the church accepted them for that. So they would get their, you know, paddy that was cut or corn that was grown, or maize or quinoa or whatever they were, and they would do rituals in the church in Guatemala with that because that was how they knew living animistically was. So a lot of these tribes in these countries, Indonesia, I was working on a project with orangutans there. There were a lot of indigenous people living in the forest that I was able to interact with. So, yeah, okay, mixed bag.
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When I asked for your bio and some pictures, you sent me some pictures and two of them are hanging with an orangutan. Tell me about Canada. I don't know what it is. It's. Someone once asked me, what. What one thing do you wish you could do? And I said at one point in time, my life on a walk along, holding hands with an orangutan. It's just. I don't know, there's something about that. So when you sent me those pictures, I'm like, wow, yeah, tell me about the orangutans.
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So this was a project called the Orangutan Foundation International that is run by Dr. Berute Galdikas. And commonly people know of Dr. Jane Goodall. So Dr. Jane Goodall, Diane Fossey. And Dr. Bertie Gardicas actually all studied as primatologists together in Africa under a gentleman called Dr. Lecky. And each one of them picked up one primate species to work with. And of course Dr. Jane Goodall picked up the chimpanzees and then Diane Fossey, the gorillas. And then Dr. Galdicas actually came to Indonesia to work with the orangutans. She found the ofi, the Orangutan Foundation International. I'd been following their work for a while, since I think 2001 or 2002. And that was just, it was almost as if the species, like a location and a geography, says you got to come here and you pack your bags and come here now. And I got that calling from that place. It had been a calling since 2001, 2002, but I was physically able to go there much later in life and it was such a privilege. So I was working as a construction volunteer with the ofi then it was a two month commitment where we were physically building structures for the research team inside the Tanjumputing National Park. And these orangutans were just hanging around there. The orangutan that I've taken a picture with is, her name is Sisui. She's no more, but she's quite a famous individual. She is in documentaries with Sir David Attenborough is where she is in multiple documentaries. Because she lived so close to camp. She was quite a pampered soul and she would come drinking coffee with us and eat sambal and noodles and rice. But you know, the humbleness that I learned from that animal, that animal, even a little young orangutan has the full capacity of, you know, mauling a full grown human being if they want to. But they are so respectful of human beings around and I think they're an epitome of how we are meant to be as humans. Inquisitive, playful, forgiving. I mean they embody that. And it was a privilege to be living in that national park and working for two months. It was just gorgeous. I wouldn't, you know, do anything differently in that days of my life than be with those animals.
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Yeah, they're amazing. What's it like having an orangutan stare in your eyes?
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I think it shows you how minuscule and insignificant you are in the larger scheme of things. Because again, even that stare is a non judgmental stare. It is, it's almost as if it's a reality check saying, dude, you mean with all your ego and all your modern beliefs you are Nobody and nothing in this wild space. So it's. It's a privilege. There's no other word for it. To. To be sharing physical space with an animal of that nature, it's humbling and it just shows you where you lie in the scope of the world.
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Yeah. Have you, have you done any work with either chimps or gorillas?
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No, I haven't, I haven't, no.
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I was just wondering what it's like to be in the presence of a gorilla. Like that's. It's, you know, orangutans have that, you know, they look like hippies smoking a joint sort of thing, whereas gorillas are like sharks to where, you know, they have that possibly menacing presence. If you want to buy into that, you know what I mean?
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Probably fairly. No nonsense or they mean business kind of an energy. But even if you see the wildlife documentary filmmakers that are in close proximity with these animals, or we have friends who regularly go down to, let's say, Rwanda or the places where you can actually be on foot and walk with gorillas as well, if they encounter a wild gorilla or a troop, I think it's most necessary for you to show or exude an energy of humbleness and show that I understand that I am nobody and nothing in comparison to you. And when you surrender to that, they mean no harm. So though I have never shared space with them, I know people who have. And even what we watch in footage. Yeah, they do mean business and maybe not to be taken lightly and be. I. I think you're more respectful of them and their space when you're with them.
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Right.
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I would. I would think so.
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Yeah. I've been. My son lives in Hawaii and he took me out diving with sharks one time and they're just. They're reef sharks, you know. But he said, so it doesn't matter with the reef sharks. He said, it doesn't matter what energy you have. You can do whatever you want. He said, but if the tiger. Every once in a while the tiger sharks show up. And he said, if the tiger sharks show up, your energy has to be completely different. Yeah, so much.
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Because even in. Even when we are walking in the wild and you're walking on foot that very often we know that there is a large feline. Because one of my passions is to run. I love trail running or I love running in jungle. So wherever I'm working and the offices, that forest, I love to run in the peripheries. And very often you have fresh pug marks of, let's say, a feline on the pathway with you. But rather than fear, if you approach it with an energy body of saying, okay, I, I'm in agreeance to say, I'm not here to challenge you in any way. But, you know, if you don't mind sharing space, I'm happy to be there with you. And one of the beliefs that we have even from a pranic healing perspective is it says energy follows thought. So if your thought is of one upmanship, that's the energy you're going to exude. Like a magnetic field goes far beyond the magnet. But if you are there and your intention energy is completely different, no animal would want to harm you in any way. Whether it's in the water or it may be in forest or up in a mountain and you're just surrendered to.
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That space, then, you know, that's the energy I trying to get people to have when they're working with their horses. And it's easier with horses because there is not that, you know, if it's a shark or a gorilla or a large feline, there's a, you know, is that mental chatter about what could go wrong. And even actually, even with people with their horses, there's, you know, it's, you've got to be able to have that, that energy of, you know, it's, it's confident humbleness. It's not confident I'm better than you and it's not humbleness and I'm kind of scared of you. But it's that balance between those two, that energy that you've got to be able to show up with that I think really makes a difference no matter what animal you're with.
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Very true. And I think horses rat you out one of the fastest, more than cats and dogs. And I think you are a living, I mean, you probably experience it every day where even before you get up onto the saddle, even when you're strapping the animal or just, you know, tending to him to show you in more ways than one that whatever you are, drop it and then we shall continue doing whatever engagement we have to say.
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Yeah, no, they're, they're. And that's, I think that's one of the things that draws me to them is they're just so honest that, you know, they don't have, they don't have the ability to deceive you. And how they feel on the inside is directly related to how they feel how they are on the outside. There's no hiding anything.
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Very true. Congruent living.
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Yeah. And that's the thing trying to get people to help them with their horses. Horses are very good at detecting incongruent behavior, so you have to be able to, you know, and that's where I think horses are, you know, healing for people because they, you know, their incongruencies are kind of reflected back to them, and they, you know, it's. It's quite a good mirror. Anyway, we're going to get back to your questions here. One that you chose was do you have an unusual habit or something out of the ordinary you really love? Now, for someone who does interspecies telepathic communication and hangs out with orangutans and teaches psychic sciences and mediumship, this is going to be a great question. So unusual habit or something out of the ordinary that you really love?
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So I absolutely love traveling, traveling solo. However, the caveat in this is traveling to places where I can go volunteer for whatever is the social cause in that space. I am passionately addicted to it, if I may use the two together. So there are different corners of the world that call out for different things, and I have not found anything better as a teacher than travel. And the minute you go solo by yourself and you don't have family and friends with you, you can just be yourself. You can be your authentic self wherever you are. And the kind of people you meet when you travel, it just. It expands your worldview. I mean, you start putting your life into perspective. I mean, things that you complain about seem so petty when you meet people who live the way they do or you learn to count your blessings. And either way. So one thing I'm. I'm extremely passionate about is traveling solo to places to go volunteer and different things. And the second thing I. My friends call me crazy for is I love doing long pilgrimages on foot for multiple days and multiple weeks. And they need not always be to religious places. They tend to be that. But yeah, I love doing long pilgrimages on foot, walking long hours, solo again.
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Yeah, well, there's quite a spiritual aspect to that too, isn't there?
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Yeah. And again, spiritual purely because it is so enriching and it's such a somatic experience. I mean, you can't be, you cannot not be in the moment because you're so with your body. And I believe that our body is something we take into every experience of life with us. So it's a living library of what you have been, what is and what might be later. And we are in such disrespect and disregard and such detachment with our bodily vehicle. So being by yourself Walking long hours without having your ears plugged with any music and fully engaged with that somatic process that's unfolding. It is so meditative and I mean, there's no other word. It's meditative in its own way.
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B
Can you tell me about some of the pilgrim pilgrimages you have done?
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Oh, sure. One of the most commonly known and a lot of people walk is the El Camino de Santiago Compostela. And I'd walked the Camino Francis some years back and that then there are a lot of pilgrimages that are in our own country. For example, in southern India, we have, you know, the axis of the earth, the same angle. There are five Shiva temples dedicated to Lord Shiva. Each temple is for a different element in of nature. So you have a temple dedicated to earth, fire, water, air, ether, and every element is celebrated in that temple because that. And they're all five along the axis of the earth. So we had walked that some years back. A lot of pilgrimages, the state that I live in there are in fact, just yesterday the pilgrimage passed through our city that are for two large saints. One is Saint Tukaram and Saint Daneshwar. So a lot of villagers and farmers walk this yearly. So these are next year I'm actually going to undertake a solo pilgrimage that goes towards Mount Kailash and it's going to be about a thousand kilometers again. And there are a lot of short pilgrimages that go on for a week, two weeks that are within the country that along that. Long walks. Yeah.
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B
When on these pilgrimages, roughly how far do you walk a day?
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Again, it will be dictated by terrain. But if it's great flat terrain in the classical sense, flat terrain, then it's about 42 to 50 kilometers a day with lots of water breaks and hydration and rest and stuff like that. But if it's a mountainous region, then the mileage may come down to about 21-30km a day. Again, as a woman walking solo in a country like ours, it presents its own challenges. So I need to keep safety first. And I can't put everything on divinity and say, oh, you know, God is going to come and save me. But common sense needs to play in. So dictated by food, shelter and safety, maybe the mileage may be dictated by that on certain days as well.
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So roughly how many hours a day are you walking?
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At an average six to eight hours. Then usually if it's summer days, then I would start much earlier than sunrise, about 4 o'clock so that I'm beating the heat. And then you're at your destination by 1231, and then it can be off your feet and hydrate and rest and wash and clean and launder and be ready for the. For the next day's walk. Yeah.
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B
Wow. Okay, Next question is what. What advice. What advice would you give to someone about to enter your occupation? And you. Before you answer that, you're gonna. You're gonna say, what is your occupation?
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Thank you. You're one of the first individuals who is okay with me not defining what I really do. What I really do, because that's. That's such a quandary. Every time somebody asks me, I mean, a random stranger says, nice, nice to meet you. What do you do? I can't encapsulate it at all. And I don't think I would ever do justice by giving it one tagline. But let's say you are a telepathic communicator, trusting your psychic abilities. And also you can take charge of your own life through nlp. Let's say you are somebody who does that as a professional, professional pursuit. And thankfully, there are so many in our country now over the last 10, 15 years who've done the workshops with us, have been walking this path with us, have chosen a similar path because they realize it's their calling as well. So it's beautiful to see people amalgamate this and take it and run in their own directions with it, make it more beautiful thereon. But if somebody chooses a path like this, or even if somebody says, I'm just a telepathic interspecies communicator, I would first say that rather than calling it a profession or occupation, I think we need to make it a way of life and say it is not just second nature, but this is how we are as beings. And I think also surrendering to where you get led to. So let's say you are led to learning a new modality. You are led to exploring another way of being and doing. Rather than questioning saying, how does it fit in? Or how does it complement or how I can monetize it, just say, if I'm. If it's calling me, let me walk that path. Let's see where it takes you. And I love one statement. Dr. David Hawkins writes in his books. Some of his work on consciousness is just beautiful. And in one of his books he writes, people kept calling him a misfit. He said, I heard it as a mystic. So people said, oh, what a misfit, or what a misfit. And he said, I heard it as a mistake. So I believe that if your friends and family think you've completely lost it and you are probably wooing your head, I always took it as an indicator that I'm on the right path and in the right space doing the right things. Because you can't do massive change work for yourself and others. If you lead a life in a box, you have to be an amoeba. That's all over the place from an observer's perspective. But that's where you can do so much more with magnitude if you are this misfit. Yeah. And I think similar to what Hawkins says as well, you have to make your life a gift and not get stuck in looking for validation and everything. Are some of the things that I would love to tell people who chose to walk the path of telepathic work.
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Yes. Very, very cool. I love that you've got to go where you're, where you're drawn, you know, And I think you mentioned there not, not making it about monetary reward, but the things that you're, you're drawn to.
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True.
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B
Yeah, I've experienced that. Okay, so what do you. Your next question is, what do you think your true purpose is?
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So as poetic as this may sound, I think my true purpose and that has evolved over the years. I wasn't too sure what I started off with, but I feel what it's metamorphosed into is to help others realize their purpose of life and help them acknowledge the divinity within them. And we are just pure awareness. So if you are leading your life. You know what's also fascinating? A lot of saints in our country are never depicted with a halo behind their head or in a blessing position. The saints in our country are depicted by them just sitting either cross legged or just sitting very nonchalantly under a tree. So that actually embodies the quality of purely just being. There is no doing so. I think my true purpose would be to help people just be who they truly are and not fit in into constantly be. Let me do this and let me do that and just be and explore the divinity within them. So I think that's, I would say, has metamorphosed to be my true purpose.
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B
I love that. And one last question that you chose. What quality do you admire in a person?
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Thank you for again framing such amazing questions. I personally admire authenticity in people around me. So if you can be your genuine, true self and say people should accept me and love me for who and what I am and what I bring to the table, and you are just your authentic, genuine self I think that's something I absolutely admire in people. And most of my role models that I've had, that I've gravitated towards, I've realized, have actually exhibited authenticity and no need for conformity, no ego, no requirement of, you know, external validation. They're just their authentic self being and doing what they think is in the greatest good. And I think that's something I absolutely love and admire and aspire to bring within myself.
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You know, yes, that's a great thing to admire. But I think for me, admiring that in somebody is also admiring the work that they've done to get to that point. You know what I mean? Because it's just like I explained to you before we came on here, my podcast, I like to interview really interesting people and find out how they got to view the world the way they view the world that is really outside the cultural and societal norms. And I think you've got to be prepared to do the work to get to that point. So, you know, I kind of, I totally agree with you that, yeah, that's a great quality to admire. But I almost admire the fact that I understand how much work it takes to get to that point. I kind of not trying to say your answers should be different or whatever, but for me personally, when you were talking there, I think, yeah, I'm. I almost admire the fact that, that people end up there. Not the fact that they're there, but the fact that they ended up there. And there's a lot of work, a lot of shit ton of work to.
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Do to get there, undoubtedly. And thank you for bringing up this aspect as well, because it is believed that the qualities you see in others are actually your own. So it's a part of your own shadow. That's why you're attracted to something within somebody, whether it's resourceful or unresourceful. And if I take, you know, for example, Wim Hof, somebody who has the Wim Hof breathing. And I, you know, did an intensive workshop with Wim some years back and even listening to him, I mean, you know, when I say authenticity, it also means, you know, we spent an entire day in the forest and in the mountains and doing crazy things in mud and whatever. And that evening he said, we're going to have a lovely dinner together. And most participants got really dressed up and, you know, had perfume and had makeup and said, oh, we are going to go for a dinner with Wim. They were so ready for a dinner. And you know how Wim walked in with the same clothes he'd been wearing since morning with his pair of shorts and a T shirt and hair tied back and just nonchalantly walked in. His presence was more important than what he was wearing and how he packaged himself. And I think a lot of people that evening, the discussions on the table were, my God, look at Wim, how he is in the same clothes since morning. And the people who were discussing it, I realized that was something that bothered them the most or challenged their belief the most. And the others on our table who never even thought about the fact that, hey, Wim is in the same clothes that he is in since morning. In our belief systems, I think we focused on what he stood for and what he signified rather than the packaging on the outside. So that is something that I really love and celebrate about people who have authenticity. I mean, they are filled with matter and content in them and they're just so happy being who they are without any self judgment. I think for you not to be bothered about people's judgment, you have to first let go of self judgment, saying, I'm happy the way I am, I'm happy in my skin. And because I love myself, people are going to love me for what I embody and what I signify. So I think that's, that's something I absolutely love within people.
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B
That's a life's work, though, getting to where you, where you love yourself. You know, when you think about Wim Hof, though, you know, he has gone through, you know, his wife passing away was the kind of the thing, you know, he went to the, to the pits of despair sort of thing. And so, you know, like, like I was talking about a minute ago, you know, he's been through a lot to get to that, that authenticity.
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Undoubtedly. And what you mentioned, that it's a lifetime's work to be loving yourself. And I, there are no two ways about it. And I feel that the moment and the breath in which you commit yourself to being authentic life is going to chisel you. And that's a part of reaching authenticity. It's going to make you say, okay, are you really committed to this fair? I will support you, but there are going to be valleys and, you know, peaks and troughs as you go along, but you know, the onion that peels in you saying, okay, an old belief gone, but what's inside is something more beautiful and another layer goes. But you have to just say, okay, I commit to being authentic. And it's a moment in which I believe that all major decisions in our life don't Take pondering. It's a breath in which you take a massive decision to jump or not jump, to do or not do. So it's that moment in which you say, hey, you know what, let's see what it is to be authentic. Let me at least embark on that journey and source energy I believe supports you in something that is so aligned with. Because just think about it, if everybody commits to being authentic, the vibrational value of the planet is going to shift and change. And why not at least give it a chance to say let me be myself. Everybody around me is so tired of being somebody they are not. So if one person is being authentic, others, you know, in that space may feel like doing that as well. And I think our workshops, a lot of people who come for our workshops mention that, that we love coming for the workshops because it's a non judgmental space where I can be myself. And I think that is the biggest gift we can give in a workshop space to participants that come that if you have to play different roles but these few days you can be authentic and see how easy it is than what you thought. Why not continue doing it even after you go home? So probably it is much easier than we think it is.
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B
And yeah, tell me more about your workshops. How long are they? And yeah, what sort of people do you have? A, you know, a general demographic of the sorts of people that come there.
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So for the NLP workshops, for example, that are a certification with an American body in India that we lead, they're usually five day workshops. So it's multiple levels. So you have a basic practitioners, then you do a master practitioners, then you can become a trainer in nlp. And each one of these is about five days and it's a nine to five. So it need not always be residential. It's a nine to five process. There are the others. So how we have curated it over the years and let's say I have been led to curated that way, it's not me being the architect of it, just organically I think I've asked universing guide me. I've asked my spirit guides to say guide me what, what is the best way of bringing this to people so that it's applicable? The psychic ability workshop, which is just called into the mind of a Psychic. The basic interspecies telepathic communication. Those two are done online either one day or three days. So people at least can log in from the comfort of their home, explore this ability and start walking the path. However, the residential ones or the physical ones are we call it a soul craft, which is psychic abilities and mediumship. So it's a combination five days. Then we have advanced telepathic communication where you're working with elements of nature in a, in a natural reserve like the tiger reserve that we mentioned earlier. Those are five days again. And then I'm curating something called as exploring consciousness. This year we float that, which is again going to be a three day process, residential, where we're going to explore viewing consciousness from multiple lenses using applied kinesiology. So even test consciousness among some of the tools. And then the other residential program we have is that is specifically made for trainers, teachers, facilitators or those who want to become aware parents is outdoor education and experiential learning. So that's another workshop. But even if you know, the plethora seems very different, the demographics of people coming is absolutely mixed. So somebody is a homemaker, somebody who's a student, somebody who just wants to make life better. So there are no prerequisites. You just, life is going great. You want to make it better. You pick from the buffet of workshops that calls out to you and you say, hey, let me do this. And then I won't do any other workshop for another five, eight years. Great. Maybe what you got in the first workshop is good enough. You're making life brilliant. Some years later they come back saying, hey, I'm ready to raise the bar higher. What else do you have? And something else is up in the buffet of learnings and that's, that's demographics is a very mixed group of people.
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B
Wow. So tell me, how can people find you?
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So we do have a website and that's called Earthwise Co.in but thanks to the power of the Internet, I have been learning how to use social media very consciously the last few years though I would have loved to kept myself keep myself away from it. But I realized that it has its positives. So we have an Instagram page as well that's called Earthwise Pune, spelled as P U N E and Earthwise as in classically spelled E, R, T H W I, S E. So Earthwise Pune usually has all the updates of the upcoming workshops. And then once somebody gets in touch, they can either write on our website and know about upcoming workshops so either way they can reach us.
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B
Okay, I'm going to start following that on Instagram. I can't wait to see what you got on there. Well, thank you so much for joining me. It's been absolutely fascinating getting to know you. I just, I can't wait till next time because you've got so many amazing stories and I love what you're doing in the world.
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Thank you for your effort and intention in even putting this together and it has been such a fun conversation. So many aspects got covered. So thank you for taking the initiative and having me here.
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No problem. Thanks for accepting my invitation. And you know, India is one of those places I've always wanted to go to. So now I've got even more. I've got even more push to get India come and visit you guys.
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You are more than welcome and the country will welcome you with open arms and its own challenges, but it will reward you more than any anything else.
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B
Yeah, awesome. Thanks again for joining me. If you guys at home, thanks for joining us and we'll catch you on the next episode of the Journey on Podcast.
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