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Nicole Natal
Journey on Magic lies within the trails we ride.
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Warwick Schiller
You're listening to the Journey On Podcast with Warwick Schiller. Warrick is a horseman trainer, international clinician and author who helps empower horse people from all over the world with the skills, knowledge and mindsets needed to create trusting partnerships with their horses. Warrick offers a free seven day trial to his comprehensive online video library that includes hundreds of full length training videos and several home Study courses@videos.warwick shiller.com.
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Robin Schiller
Welcome back to the Journey On Podcast. I am your hostess, Robin Schiller, taking over the microphone for this episode. Many of you have met this week's guest because she has been at several of our Journey On Podcast summits and will be joining our family officially next May when she marries our son, Tyler. Yes, I am talking about Nicole Natal. We fully support Tyler's life partner decision. Anyone who's met Nicole can tell she fits right in with the whole mission of attunement and everything we do at the Journey On Ranch. She's adapting well to ranch life and is excited to share herself with the Journey On Podcast community. So without further ado, here is my conversation with Nicole Natal. Welcome, Nicole Natal, to the Journey on Podcast.
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Nicole Natal
Thank you so much.
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Robin Schiller
We're so excited to have you on the podcast as part of the family. And you just told me, when I was clarifying exactly how to pronounce your last name, that it means something in Italian.
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Nicole Natal
Yes. It actually means Christmas. They would say Bueno. Natale. Natale. I say the Delco east coast way, which is Natal.
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Robin Schiller
Okay. Yeah. Kochi is my. Is my maiden name. And in, in Italy they call, they say Coki. So, yeah, America always has its ways of pronouncing things. Yeah.
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Nicole Natal
Changing things.
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Robin Schiller
So for those of you who don't. Well, you would have already heard me in the, in the introduction, introduce Nicole as Tyler's fiance. And so I want to let you tell the story of how you two met. We'll start there.
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Nicole Natal
Yes, I will tell the story. It's not that sexy, but it worked. So we met via Instagram. So Tyler would love to share that. I actually followed him first, which is true, but he had messaged me first. So we met because we had the same egg chair and I posted it on my story. And then he was like, oh, hey, I have this chair too. And that's kind of how it all started.
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Robin Schiller
Were you guys, I mean, you were in Hawaii, So they met in Hawaii, but. So you must have had some of the same friend connections then.
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Nicole Natal
We did around the same time. Our friend circles started to kind of merge, and my best friend and business partner, Katie Cradle, she. What. Tyler was taking her yoga classes. So, you know, we met. Katie and I met, and then Tyler and I met right after that. So I truly believe that we were going to, you know, cross paths eventually. Instagram just made the process a little bit faster, but from the moment that Tyler and I met, we actually immediately started talking through audio, you know, just sending voice notes back to each other. And I could kind of get, you know, a sense of his personality from the start. And a lot of the things that he shared, you know, was about the podcast and the work that you guys do. And I feel like immediately I was just, like, drawn in and our messages continued and continued. And. Yeah, with Tyler, too. He. He really just, like, jumped into my friend group immediately. Like, the first. The first weekend that we actually hung out, he came camping with my friends, and I was 30 minutes late. And I arrive and Tyler is already out there with a beer, just kind of like hanging out with everyone, talking to these people he's never met before. And I was like, okay, he can hang with everyone.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, I think he got that from his dad. You know, he's never met. He's never met a stranger. So. Yes, that's. That's. Yeah, you didn't get that from me, but I think that came from. From Warwick.
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Nicole Natal
My dad is the same way.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. So why don't we. The way that Warwick usually runs the podcast, when I'm not taking over, you know, doing my thing, and I wanted to make it a little bit more like his, is we start where you are now, and then we back up and it's like. Like, we unfold how you got there. So why don't you tell everybody kind of what you are up to these days? You know how. Yeah, yeah, start there.
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Nicole Natal
Of course I can start there. So I would say I'm a writer, reiki master, and yoga instructor. And, you know, I wouldn't have guessed that my career path would have kind of evolved this way. I grew up in an environment where I experienced a lot of sensitivities as a young kid. And I actually come from a family where there's other sensitivities. Like, my mom has premonitory dreams, so her dreams come true. And then my youngest sister was extremely clairvoyant and had mediumship abilities from when she was very young. I'll never forget when we were in the pool swimming in Florida. I think she was about 5 years old. She's like, I see all These colors around your hands. And I was like, oh, she can see the auras. And then for myself, I had a lot of a mix of those abilities. And for me, I feel like my strongest ability is like a deep inner knowing. So like clairsentience. But I like, for example, a story from that is when I was young, I shared a bedroom with my sister and she was sleeping down on like the trundle part that pulled out. And I was just, you know, we were both sleeping and I woke up and I was like, I looked at her and she was asleep and I was like, catherine, wake up. You're. You're going to get sick. I was like, you are, you're not going to be well. And I woke, I went into my parents room and I woke them up and I was like, hey, Catherine's about to get sick. You should probably come in the room. And then when my parents and I walked back into our bedroom, my sister was getting sick all over her bed. And I was like, I tried to tell you, but moments like that where it kind of, you know, wasn't, it was inexplainable, I guess. The things that I would know. And when I was younger I would kind of have a sense of different dimensions and talk about dream worlds and I would bring that into my friend circles as a kid and people would look at me a little bit like I was crazy, you know, and, and other family members were scared of this life. So yeah, I would say, like in this career situation with growing up like that, it kind of cultivated like this. This whole part of me had to be a secret, like all of these intuitive abilities. And although I was still, you know, deeply drawn to it and deeply connected to these parts, like all the way up to when I was in college, I would, I was playing Division 1 soccer at Fordham University and in between practice, whenever, in between classes, I would pack my all white clothes in a bag and I would travel into the city from the Bronx to Manhattan and I would sneak into a meditation temple and wear all white. So when I would get in there, I change into the all white clothes and then I'd put my clothes back on for my like normal college life, go back to college and, you know, be a normal student again. So when I was in high school, I was experiencing some anxiety and I didn't quite know what to make with these abilities that I had. And then I also had anxiety being like in exercise and extra sensitive, just being with a sensitive nervous system. So I found a therapist that actually she did a form of talk therapy, but then she was also an energy healer and a reiki master. So that is kind of what opened the door into my relationship with not only, I guess, therapy and talking through feelings, nervous system support, and also knowing that there's other layers to our human experience that go a little bit deeper. We have, like, our physical bodies, and then we have our mental body, and then we also have a spiritual, spiritual body. And all of these bodies need tending to. So having a relationship with that therapist is what led me to study psychology and kind of learn to study the mind and understand how we can, you know, become more of ourselves and, you know, be calmer and, you know, find acceptance. Really, at the end of the day, that's what it was for me and kind of bring that, you know, into everyday life. So I actually didn't end up studying. I didn't end up having a career in psychology, you could say. I actually ended up being a writer because when I was a junior year in college, I didn't have any internship experience. And I was like, okay, I need an internship. I'm not going to play soccer forever. So I googled spirituality and health. Literally, that's what I googled. And I found a magazine called Spirituality and health Magazine. And I was like, awesome, this sounds great. This sounds like me. So I messed messaged them, and they were like, we don't normally do internships, but because you reached out, like, here's 20 hours a week, it was something like, you know, I don't even remember if it was paid. It was so minimal. But one of my first stories, I think, was about, like, either mindful movement or cognitive benefits, meditation. And I was like, oh, boom. Like, this is it. So essentially I discovered, like, I could write about health, wellness, and, you know, inspire people to live better lives, whatever that is, if it's like, physical fitness or if it's in the mind. And writing was like a conduit to reading, reach more people. So that's kind of how my career situation evolved to where I'm at in the fact that I wear many different hats.
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Robin Schiller
So you worked for that magazine, and didn't you work for Prevention, too?
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Nicole Natal
Yes, I worked for Prevention magazine. So I found my way mostly in health magazines when I was in New York City because of my bachelor of science and psych background. And I was a. I was a fellow in the 2018 class of the association of Healthcare Journalists because I was always just really drawn to health and fitness, you know, and psychology and all of that side to it. So I worked for Prevention for a long time when I was in New York City, I've written for Women's Health magazine, I've written for Everyday Health and a few other names in there.
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Robin Schiller
And now you are working for.
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Nicole Natal
Now I'm a shopping writer at People magazine. So I can, I guess, tell the story of how I'm in this situation now. So when I was in New York City, this was. I forget the, the exact date, but I was around my mid-20s and I was working for Prevention magazine at the time. And you know, like I said earlier, I didn't have any experience really with writing. I didn't study journalism. So I kind of had to like focus, fight and claw my way into the magazine world in New York City, which everybody else in the whole world is also trying to do that. So with no experience, I kind of had to figure out a way to make it work. And the formula of, you know, working hard to get what you want kind of proved to be true for me. Like, I did work really hard and I fought my way. And then I got this job that was like my dream job at the time when I was in my younger 20s, like 23ish, and I was interviewing celebrities at the time. I was going to Fashion Week, you know, in the evening, evening and all of these events. And really I was like living what my dream was for myself at that moment, you know, and then my days were extremely long because of that. I was up at 6:00am, I'd run, you know, six miles or I do a workout class, come home, drink a coffee on an empty stomach, go into work, work for about 10 hours with, you know, plus an event in the evening, come home, go to bed, 10pm and then just wake up and do it again. So eventually I started to develop ovarian cysts. So my, these little cysts that can formulate on our ovaries. You know, science will tell you that we're not exactly sure what the cause of these is, you know, from a physical standpoint, but you know, out of the blue we can say. Even though looking back, I know I can understand why they formed. Probably my lifestyle and environment had a little bit to do with it. Um, but yeah, they started to burst every about three to four months, three to five months sometimes. And that was a cycle that lasted about three and a half years for me. And I, I tried every single means to find healing. Like at first I was kind of like, whoa, like, what is this? I don't understand it. I don't know anything about like my reproductive system at all, you know, and then even more so, it was beginning to impact my work. So not only physically, I was in a lot of pain and. And I was in and out of the er, but also mentally, it was. So it put me in a deep state of distress and fear, and I developed a lot of health anxiety because I was always waiting for the next time that one of my ovaries, one of these cysts would burst. And then you go into the hospital, and then they check your ovary, and they let you know if your ovary had survived or not and if it was still healthy. So there was just a lot. And then on top of it, you know, bouncing between different doctors, like, getting diagnosed with PCOS during one of these scans over the years, and then getting handed a pamphlet about pcos and also just not understanding anything about it, the trauma, you know, in that decision. So, anyway, long story short, I tried a bunch of different health modalities to find healing. You know, yoga, acupuncture, of course, energy work. Like, I tried functional medicine, and all of them were so healing and so important. But nothing stopped my cystic because I was continuing to live the same lifestyle in New York City. And I'll never forget the moment I was laying on the floor in my apartment in New York City on the phone with that same Reiki master and a therapist from high school, and she was like, so, Nicole, do you think that maybe New York City being a magazine editor isn't the right path for you? And I just sobbed because my whole identity shattered. I'm like, what do you mean? I just built this up from the foundation. I worked so hard. Like, I'm doing it. You know, everybody wants this job, and I did it, you know, but something in me knew that she was right. And it was really. It's. It crushed my soul. Like, the whole foundation crumbled. And that's what I, deep down, I think, was scared to confront. It was all those moments of hiding in the meditation temple and pushing away those abilities, not talking about it because, you know, the whole football team finds out in college, and then you're getting made fun of, and it was the whole thing. But in that moment, I was like, oh, I'm not accepting this identity of myself, you know? So I knew that I had to make a drastic change. And it took me a little bit, but Covid sort of happened, and I. I moved to Florida for a while, and then we got told, okay, don't come back to New York City. It's Covid, you know, So I. A couple Months before that, went to Hawaii. Like, before COVID had a vacation. I looked around and saw a completely different lifestyle where people were outside. They were with family, friends in community, connected to nature. It was the middle of the day, and people are on the beach. And this was very different than New York City, where people are in these cubicles and working so hard, and you can not barely smile at anybody. And just a lot of anger and stress and just way different energy. It was a lot softer. It was slower. So I started getting the call to think about moving to Hawaii. And Even so, in 2019, June, before that, I had surgery, you know, to remove a large ovarian cyst. It didn't burst. It was just sitting on my ovary and putting it at risk for torsion or something more dangerous. And after that surgery, I couldn't work out the same way that my, like, college athlete self was used to. And that was the whole point. So for a whole year, I wasn't able to really, like, run or move my body. And that's how I found yoga, because my body wanted a way to move, but I couldn't find exactly how to do that without my actual belly, like, distending. It would actually get swollen. And it was because my body needed me to slow all the way down. So at that point when Covid was happening, we got told, you know, this was January 2021, told to go home, and I was living in Florida, and I decided to book a yoga teacher training in Hawaii to become a yoga instructor. And I was so afraid to tell my editor in chief at Prevention magazine at the time. I'll never forget that meeting I had with her over Zoom. I was like, I'm gonna do it. And we got on the meeting, and I said, hey, I have a flight booked to Hawaii in three weeks. I said, I'm gonna have to step down. My body is too sick. I was unable to find healing anymore. And I said, I really need to do this. Like, I just need to heal. And I was crying. And, you know, she looked at me, and she was like, you have to do what's best for you. And putting yourself first in a world like this, that's really hard to do, and that's really brave. And she ended up actually dedicating the 2022 January editor's letter in Prevention magazine to that decision to move to Hawaii.
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Robin Schiller
Wow. That's cool.
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Nicole Natal
So then I got to Hawaii that March of 2021. So two months later. Oh, sorry. I should say, after I hung up, that Zoom meeting with my editor in chief. One hour later, I got a phone call from a publisher in Hawaii, in the North Shore, and he offered me a job one hour later. And then on the phone right next to him was his assistant, and she offered me a place to live. And I was like, okay, the universe is saying, like, just do this. But I first had to take the step to cut off all of the old and say, like, okay, I'm really am ready to leave this identity behind. I have no idea what's waiting for me in Hawaii. None. The only thing I had was, I'm going to deepen, you know, with yoga and take that a little further. And then the universe immediately provided and was like, okay, here's a. Here's a where somewhere to work and here's somewhere to live.
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Robin Schiller
That's so cool.
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Nicole Natal
So when I got to Hawaii two months later, I, you know, it didn't happen immediately, but from the moment I. I ended up there, I had never had an ovarian cyst ever again. And I still have never had an ovarian cyst ever again.
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Robin Schiller
Wow.
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Nicole Natal
So my whole entire life changed. Like, imagine being so sick for, you know, three years, four years, and then all of a sudden, it's just gone. It was almost immaculate. It was hard to believe.
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Robin Schiller
And is that when you started then. And maybe I'm wrong, but then thinking about Reiki?
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Nicole Natal
Actually, yes. Yes. It all happened at the same time. So I become. I became a yoga instructor and I became a Reiki master. And I took. This is where the question started. I took several months off of writing when I got there because I needed a break and I needed to focus on healing. So I went to the modalities that have worked so amazingly for me, and I wanted to take them deeper and learn how to also offer that to other people. So I did my Reiki one through four, and, you know, I have a master level with Reiki now. And then I took my yoga teacher training through 200 hours, and I began teaching at studios in Hawaii. When I began to realize, okay, I feel more like my authentic self, I'm stepping into this. This is when I started to come back into writing. And the reason why I was able to do that was because I got to work in Hawaii and I had. I got to be my own boss, you know, work as a contractor versus, like, you know, living in that kind of nine to five environment in New York City, which was not really good for my very sensitive body that I've had, you know, since I was young. So that's how I ended Up, I guess at People magazine, which is where I'm at now.
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Robin Schiller
And you're doing the yoga and you also. Well, you were, you had an established yoga when you were in, in Hawaii. You're getting re established here now in Paso Robles. So that's great.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, I just went to your first.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, I just went, I just went to, to the first class with you the other night and it was wonderful. So I'm glad. I, I really like that studio. I, you know, I know where you were before and I think. Yeah, I feel like that feels good there.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, Every studio has their own vibe. And even living in this little pocket, it doesn't seem like it on the ranch, but it's only 10 minutes to the town. And actually we live in a place where yoga is actually really practiced here. There is a big yoga community. And I'm kind of just trying to relearn where, where all the avenues are. But something that Robin and I have also explored and talked about is starting to do some yoga here, even at the ranch, which would be really exc.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, I have. For those of you who have been here, you've seen my little wellness, my little wellness center, I call it, with the sauna and the, and the ice bath. And then we've got some other cool little things. And I just got a new nice, cool little thing and we have the space for Nicole to do the yoga. So we've talked about doing like a Wellness Wednesday or Self Care Saturday and start that and see how it goes. So that's on the books. And then tell me about the retreats that you also are involved in.
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Nicole Natal
Yes, of course. So I have a retreat business with my friends Katie Cradle and Nicole Haleska, and it's called Body Worship. So Katie and I started doing retreats in 2023. Our first one was in Hawaii, but we've been to Mexico, we've been to Bali. And then we just launched our retreats today actually, and they're taking place right here in Paso. Robin and I are doing one with Heidi Hook all together here called A Path to Sacred Ground. And then the two other retreats will happen in Costa Rica and Joshua Tree.
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Robin Schiller
And tell me what they. We can talk about the passive one, but what about what are the ones? What are the topics or what are. Who do you envision coming to these retreats?
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Nicole Natal
So historically, a lot of our retreats, well, they've all been centered towards empowering women. A lot of my work, because of my initiations, I call them within the womb space, has been about Empowering women and helping women, you know, and helping society create a world where women are nurtured, supported, valued and encouraged. And if you think about the way that I lived my life in New York City, like plugged into that 9 to 5 and, you know, men tend to follow this 24 hour hormonal rhythm where they can wake up and be the same person every single day. But for women, we follow, you know, if you're in your. Your maiden, I would call it, like if you're in a cycle where you're bleeding, your cycle, your hormones fluctuate between a, you know, 20 age of 32 day cycle on average. So each week we are completely different women. And this means that we need a completely different set of nutrients, of lifestyle rituals, you know, and how we live our life. And being in that masculine structure that our society, you know, with the industrial complex that all created, it's like the industrial revolution. It's not really set up to support women. And I realized by unplugging out of that and, you know, having. Being my own boss and being able to do reiki, to do yoga, to do retreats, and to write, like, it gets to be a bunch of different things that I flow through, you know, versus, like having to follow this very strict structure. And we need both the masculine and the feminine. We have both of those channels within us in yoga. It's called the ida and the pingala. And then these forces, these channels kind of flow together and they meet in the middle. And this is where the chakras would meet, you know, in Sanskrit, the seven vortexes that represent us as people. So with the retreats, we've historically focused on empowering women. And each retreat has a different essence and a different vibe. One has been called Radical Self Love. One has been called Magnetic Women, Inner Bloom Shakti. And they all are then formulated with the intention of that specific retreat. So a lot of it involves daily yoga classes, meditations, breath work, facilitations, and then we have reiki healing, of course, and evening yin to kind of slow down and soften yoga Nidra. And then we have expansive workshops every single day to really get, you know, go even deeper into unearthing your authentic expression, whatever that looks like.
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Robin Schiller
That's awesome. What's been your. You. You went to Bali last. Last year. Was it last year or the year before?
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, yes, both, actually. Oh, that's right.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. 2024. Because we were there in 2024 and then you were there right after. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Natal
Tyler came with us that time.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, Bali's amazing. I'm sure that the vibe there was great, but I, I think Costa Rica will be really great. And same with Joshua Tree. Totally different. Yeah, totally different vibe, but that's great.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, there's so many. The. What we try to do when we choose our retreat centers is find places that are as connected to nature as possible. So at our retreat center in Bali, we had a beautiful river gorge. There was, you know, two waterfalls and just completely immersed in nature like. And then in, in Mexico, we had a cenote right on the property where that you could go down in there and do different events. So, you know, at the end of the day when we begin our retreats, we always have, you know, somebody who is locally oriented come in and offer their magic and medicine and blessings that are, you know, can help us connect with the land so that we can pay our respects and vice versa. And we first ask, we ask for permission to be there, to be in that space, to learn from the energies of the land. Like, each one of these places, I believe too in the world, like they're powerful vortexes of energy and power. And that's why sometimes too we have to leave our environment. Like I had to leave New York City in order to find healing in a place like Hawaii, which is one of the most healing places in the world. Maui is thought to be the heart chakra of the world. So when we pick our retreat destinations, it's. It's almost like that. And here at the ranch, you and I can both attest to how sacred these lands are as well, you know?
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. Okay, so as promised, let's talk about how you got got to where you are now. And you mentioned something. So you grew up in, outside of Philly.
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Nicole Natal
Yes, I grew up on the East Coast.
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Robin Schiller
Yep.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, and a lot, I guess I was really immersed in the east coast lifestyle. Like I said, the working hard and that was kind of the formula. But I always had those elements of intuition and sensitivity growing up. And my, my mom and my sister had it. But I think there was still like an element of fear that kind of flowed through our family around it. It almost had to be like hush, hush. So that's kind of why I grew up feeling like I had to tuck away that part. But yeah, I guess my initiation into my, you know, with my ovarian cyst was part of that journey which led me, you know, to find yoga and then to, you know, deepen reiki and to move to Hawaii. And this is when I started to really just find self acceptance like that's. Where it all started. I didn't accept myself. These spiritual aspects, you know, I still felt like they had to be hidden because people. I shouldn't generalize, but at least the people in my environment that I was surrounded with in New York City and East coast, this stuff wasn't as much talked about, you know, Now I also feel like people are talking about yoga and wellness a lot more. There has been a surge in popularity in that. And then even womb work and cycle syncing and all of the above. People were not talking about this. Like, you know, there's so many studies that have been done too, with women specifically about how taboo it is, you know, to have our periods. We don't talk about it. We kind of, like, tuck away our pain. We'll. We'll force through our pain and go to work or go to school, whatever it is. And we won't say that like, we're hurting or that we need help. And a lot of this, too, is because there's only, you know, there's such a lack of education with our reproductive system. And only 4% of NIH funding is dedicated to learning about women's health. So from the very start, we are not taught about ourself and our bodies and how if we lived more cyclically and in. In like, connection with our body's changing needs every single week, how much more inner harmony we would have, how much more balance we would have vitality, not only physically, but also on those mental and emotional and spiritual layers that I also talked about earlier. So when I got to Hawaii and Tyler was a big part of this, I should say, because, you know, I've never had a partner who, like, accepted so much. Like, when those moments when I was afraid to post something really vulnerable or to post about my first Reiki offerings or my first workshop, Tyler was there. He was signing up for my programs. He was, you know, being like, post this. Like, this is incredible, you know, and not all the times, like, we'll have someone on the outside to encourage us and to celebrate us. Like, how on the east coast, this wasn't all as celebrated. So in that sense, like, it too needs to come from within. Like, we have to find the acceptance internally and just, you know, every single day, vow to be closer to our authentic expression. And one of my favorite quotes that I always talk about is from Jay Shetty. He said something like, life isn't about how much we can do or we can accomplish, but it's how much we can be our true selves. And that really, that is really all we're doing. And for some of us, that is really hard to do because we have a lot of stories that we created from childhood. You know, this isn't safe. You can't be talking about meditation and dreaming dimensions and spirits and all this stuff, you know, like, people don't talk about that as much, but that doesn't mean it's not real. So we have to find acceptance within and realize, okay, this is a part of my experience, and I accept myself within that. And when I got to Hawaii with Tyler, that's when I began to accept myself completely. This is when I felt like I finally became liberated, because for the first time, I was able to be myself and accept that no matter what was going on on the outside.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, I'm still working on this. I still have a lot of work to do.
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Nicole Natal
There's always work to do, though. Like, this is the thing. If we. If we arrived at the destination, we would be dead. Yeah, I heard that on a podcast recently. Like, we're never fully healed. Even though my ovarian cysts have disappeared, you could say it doesn't mean I don't still have hormonal imbalance here and there. You know, it's all. It's all a process.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah.
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Nicole Natal
It's a journey.
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Robin Schiller
And I like what you said about, you know, we don't. We. We don't talk enough about. I mean, it is coming to the forefront, the women's health stuff. And that's why I had Heidi on, because menopause is also one of those things that is now becoming more mainstream. But, you know, when I started going through it, I was 43, so it's been 13 years. And I just thought I was going crazy. You know, I thought I was ha. You know, I was having panic attacks. And that's what was. That's what really got me to think about it. And it wasn't until somebody said, have you had your hormones checked? And I'm like, well, no. You know, I'd been in the ER for panic attacks. I was having panic attacks at work. I was having to leave. And, yeah, it was terrible. And so it was. It's. And when I asked my mom about it, she's like, well, I didn't go through menopause. I just stopped bleeding. And I'm like, okay. You know, that was the conversation. Like, there was. There was no conversation.
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Nicole Natal
Yes.
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Robin Schiller
And she was tough, and I have no doubt she didn't have. You know, like, she just stopped and she didn't have it. I believe that but so tell me about the sensitivities. And it's interesting that your mom and sister both had stuff but you still felt like you couldn't talk about it. Like so they, they didn't talk about it.
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Nicole Natal
My mom would tell us about her dreams sometimes. Like if she had a dream about us, she would come and tell us about it before it would come true. But I should say, unfortunately for my mom, like this gift is like almost a blessing and a curse in a way of like, because there's a lot of fear around it. I think that a lot of the things that she dreams are like, things that maybe like, aren't super helpful to her life, you know, like she'll dream about celebrities dying before they die and seeing them die. So it's like. That's real.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. And it's scary.
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Nicole Natal
Exactly. So. And a lot of the times with, with these extra sensitive abilities, like, like it's the unknown, you know, like this, the known is like what we're experiencing here. Like in this 3D reality, like we can see, we have, we use our senses. You know, when you go a step further and you tap into like the sixth sense and whatever that looks like, whether it's clairvoyance, you know, dreams coming true, mediumship, clairsentience, like there is unknown in that and it can be really scary. Like I'll tell you when I'm little and even now when I wake up, or I'm in that liminal space between sleep and you know, being awake and you see something in your room that is definitely not a physical being, it's a spirit or an energy. Like there is an element sometimes of fear that comes there, you know, and it takes a moment and it really is because it's really unknown. And I also think our society has suppressed these abilities and really like, you know, works hard to kind of shut them down from a young age so that there is fear. We forget that all of us are born with abilities like this and, and I don't know even like, we also forget that we are just like an innocent being. We're just a human being with a soul and a heart and a body and we, we can be our true selves and we can find acceptance with that. It's the same thing, you know, but we, then we, we create stories and we go through our life and we get programmed and we're in systems and then we forget. We forget the magic that we have within. So anything, then it becomes a thing that is in the unknown because it's either forgotten or it's so far away from you that it doesn't feel like your reality. So if. If you experience it again or someone else experiences it, you're like, oh, absolutely not. Like, this is scary. This is not true. I don't believe this. Like, this is not real, but it actually is. And they're just really scared of the unknown. But if we connected with the unknown even more. This is the space where the quantum field is, right? Like, this is where, like, infinite potentials exist. And we are not just this physical 3D versions of ourselves. We're so much more complex. And like, when I talk about the dream dimensions, like, yeah, we have. We have a fourth dimension there. We have our dream body. We have our astral body. And then we have the quantum. We have the fifth dimension. We have a body there, too. And all these realities are kind of happening simultaneously. And if you know that, then you know it, I guess. And if you don't and you haven't experienced it, maybe you're just so far away from it and disconnected from it. But it doesn't mean that it's not possible for you to tap into that and discover what kind of power is there. And the last thing I'll say is, like, everybody is born with a set of gifts, and each of them is unique. So my gift is going to be different than yours and vice versa. But everybody has a unique gift.
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Robin Schiller
And your sister, you said she channeled or was medium. Does she still tap into that or does she push it away?
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Nicole Natal
She doesn't, but. Well, what I will say is when she was younger, she. She was probably the strongest out of all of us. Like, she was the. One of the most clairvoyant people I've ever seen in my entire life to this day. And I know that it brought her a lot of fear. And I tried to help her as much as I could, but it's like the blind helping the blind almost. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in high school and younger. And then she's even younger than that. So just did our best to try to navigate it. So I don't. I don't, like, blame her or anything about having, you know, lost some elements of it. But I will say that my intuition says it's possible she will step back into it because she's currently getting a master's in psychology. And, you know, I could just see there being a possibility where she brings some elements of some of her gifts into healing to take it. It, you know, A little bit deeper than just the physical and the emotional and mental body to go into that spiritual and the energetic layers.
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Robin Schiller
Yep. And then tell me, tell us about sports. Yeah, it's a big part of your life.
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Nicole Natal
It was, it was, yes, I, I played soccer my entire life pretty much until I guess I was 25ish. And yeah, it was so important. It was so important. I played all through college, Division 1 level, and I was on a travel team from a very young age and it just taught me everything. Like, as hard as it was, it was a lot of work. It was very demanding with time and schedule and missing classes in college and trying to do your homework on all those big RVs and get stuff done. But I wouldn't take any of it back because it taught me discipline, it did teach me to work hard, but it also taught me like, you know, the importance of being on a team and being in community. That was my community, just in a different way. There was like a built in group of best friends from the very start and sharing, even though it might have been shared trauma at times, but for the most part, you know, just sharing experiences and yeah, no one else really understands what it's like to go through something like that than like, like your teammates. So yeah, it was really great.
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Robin Schiller
So what is. So Warwick wanted, he's like, when she says Division one, ask her what that means. Because a lot of the, like Australians, they won't know what that is. Maybe even like, like the traveling part too, like the travel. So what are the differences?
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, so I don't know, I guess how it would compare in other countries. But a travel team is like a club. So it's a club for soccer and it's a special team. So it's different than your high school or like your lower education. It's like a completely unique club where anybody can kind of try out and join. And then basically you train all together and then you travel across the country. We only traveled throughout the country in the US and play different teams there. And you would go to showcases where, you know, university or college coaches would come and scout to you. So in the US we have three divisions for soccer. We have Division 3 and then we have Division 2 and Division 1. And Division 1 is the highest level of competitive sport that you can play at a university level.
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Robin Schiller
And what? I don't know anything about soccer. Are there, are there positions? Like did you have a position or.
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Nicole Natal
Yes, I did. I was, we played a 4, 3, 3 mostly. So I was either the outside mid or the outside Forward, depending on what, you know, formula we were playing. And yeah, I was. I guess I was pretty fast, which kind of transcended into my life of everything being too fast all the time and I had to slow it down a lot. But yeah, those were my. Those were my primary positions. And then in the. In the summertime when I got into college, I played on a semi pro team in Pennsylvania called Reading United and trained with them. And then maybe work, maybe it's the story that he wants me to tell. But after college, that moment before I decided to, like, go straight into, I guess, magazines, I had a decision where I could maybe go play soccer in Spain. This was like Division 4 in Spain. So that's like going back to. From Division one, because in Europe, the soccer is obviously right.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, okay.
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Nicole Natal
It's a lot better. I mean, well. Well, for women's soccer, actually, in the U.S. you know, everyone knows our U.S. women's National Team is amazing. They kill it. They changed the whole entire game for women's sports in general. Not even just women's soccer, but Anyway, so Division. War. Division 4 in Spain. I had a call with the coach, but I never went any further. I did not try out. I had some teammates, like go and play in south of France, and then I think somebody played in Cyprus and, you know, Albania. So we had girls go and play pro abroad. But anyway, I decided to end my career there after college and go to London. And I got my fir. One of my first internships, I guess in digital media there. And I lived in London for a couple months because when you're in college and you play Division 1 soccer in the U.S. you can't study abroad. And I really wanted that experience of living in another country, so.
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Robin Schiller
And you and Tyler kind of have that shared travel passion too. So where else have you traveled? So London.
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Nicole Natal
So with Tyler, we went to. We went to four continents in our first year together, which is just like a testament to who we both are. Not many people in my family are like this. I guess they like to, like, kind of stay like in the area. But I've always, like, had this. I don't know, I've been different in every single way. But another one is that I really like to travel and go and see the world and experience different cultures, different ways of living, to travel by my. Myself. And then something Tyler and I love to do together is to backpack and hike and be in nature. So a lot of those, like, I guess you could say elements of sport, we've just kind of taken them now and like brought them into, you know, hiking outside. We've trekked in Patagonia, we've gone, gone to the Dolomites and then we've had different vacations, I guess like trips all over the world in other places. Australia, we've been to the uk, we've been to Italy with you guys and a million, a million more. And I'm sure it will continue especially with our truck camper now.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah.
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Nicole Natal
In the US So you can say.
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Robin Schiller
No and we can cut this out if you want, but do you want to tell us about your worst travel experience in Greece?
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Nicole Natal
Oh sure.
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Robin Schiller
Actually, just because it could be a warning to people.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, really, I, I do think this one's important and I want to preface this with like, I did something wrong, I took someone else's medication and that is a no, no, no one do that ever. Do not do that. So let's start there. But I will actually start the story a little bit earlier. I'm going to start with 2023. When I went to Colombia, I was there to with a group of my friends and we were going to do an ayahuasca ceremony. For those of you who don't know what ayahuasca is, I think most it's a form of plant medicine where you, you know, you go in ceremony and connect with this plant and yeah, just go deeper into your healing process and see what it brings up for you. Because you can have an intention but you're probably not going to go there, they say. So we ended up, we were supposed to be in Peru doing a ceremony but there was some, you know, tumultuous activity with their government and we weren't able to go there anymore. So we found a last minute retreat in Medellin in Colombia. And so we did the, we did the experience and you know, it was life changing for a couple of reasons I will say. I did have an intention in the first. We did two nights. It was a private ceremony. It was, I did go to my intention on the first night which was a lot of inner child healing. I went to a lot of memories immediately within childhood and I felt this like big emotional release. The first night was really about diving deep into the emotions and I will say fixing and understanding and healing my relationship with the divine masculine mostly. And then the second night was more of a heart opening experience. This is when I begin. It was my birthday that night also and I just fell in love with myself and I fell in love with my little, you know, inner child and, and all, I guess that I. That I was. That I might have forgotten, you know, when I was a kid and, you know, just felt her, felt that connection. So that experience happened in Colombia when it was supposed to happen in Peru. So of course it was deeply profound. I still communicate with some of the musicians, the shamanic musicians from that retreat. And yeah, it changed my life. So then that was in my birthday. So January 31st of that year. So then fast forward to July. Tyler and I were on a trip to see my friend Nicole, Nicole Vaslou. It was her wedding in Greece. She's Greece. Creek and Tyler and I decided to go to Mykonos for a couple of days before. So we were having a good time in Mykonos. We went to this olive oil tasting and yeah, so shortly after we got back to our hotel and we both got this aggressive food poisoning, like severely aggressive food poisoning. And we had a flight the next day to Athens from Mykonos to begin the wedding festivities. And the flight was at 7am so we woke up and we just knew we were up all night. There was no way we're gonna make this flight. Like, we had no idea what kind of state we were gonna be and what we were gonna be feeling. So we woke up and missed our flight. And we decided to book a four hour ferry to Athens. That was another way to get there. And the ferry systems, you guys might know, in Europe, they're really efficient. In Greece, like, they're super fast. They're huge. They're really nice. So that was no problem. But we were a little bit worried about our stomachs because we were getting sick all night. We didn't know how we were gonna feel. So we get on the. We get on the ferry and we decided to take these prescription motion sickness patches that Tyler is prescribed. It is called scopolamine and you put it right behind your neck. And because it was a patch, I really didn't think it was anything. I didn't even know it was prescription. I was just, just. And usually I'm. I have historically reactions to medications, but I was just like, oh, it's a patch, you know, it's no big deal. And then I kind of went downhill from there. I started getting worse and worse and Tyler was getting better and better. And long story short, when we arrived to Athens in the port, we get in a taxi, it's like 104 degrees out. We're lugging our big rolling suitcases, like through the cobblestone, and we're walking up these stairs and I pass out forward. And then I start blacking out. Everything starts to black out around my eyes, and I can't see anything. And my ears start ringing, And I sit down, and I was like, tyler, I'm not okay. And I just knew that something was really wrong with my body. I started to lose it. And we're in a place where people don't really speak a lot of English. Where we were, we weren't. We left Athens. We went more to a beach town. I forget what it was called, but somebody was trying to help us. They called another cabin, and we basically left our luggages on the side of this road at the Airbnb we were trying to get into. And we went right to the hospital after this. I don't remember anything. So we get to the hospital, and then Tyler drops me off, but he didn't have any cash, so he had to go get some cash to pay the taxi. And when he comes back in, the nurse starts yelling at him. She spoke really well English, and she said, what drugs is she on? Because Tyler had told them that we came from Mykonos. So she thought that I had done a bunch of drugs because I developed acute psychosis. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know who Tyler was. I couldn't even think straight. I don't remember anything. I started like I was blacking out, you know, and just feeling super weird. I kept saying, over, over again, Tyler, something's not right. I don't feel. I don't feel good. And I just couldn't pinpoint what was wrong with me because I lost my cognitive function with the acute psychosis. Anyway, Tyler eventually realized that it was because I had the skull pollenine patch on, and they didn't even know what it was there. They don't have it in that form, I guess. So they had to call PO Control in the US and they found out what it was, and they happened to have the antidote to it. So they gave me a bag of it, and nothing happened. But then they gave me the second bag of it. And then it started to seem like I was improving. But the place we were at, which was actually a radiology center, wasn't even a real hospital. It started to close. It was like 11pm so they had to transport me in an ambulance to another hospital, which Tyler calls Gotham Hospital in Athens, because there was, like, 40 people in this room with me. And the one memory I have was going into the bathroom, and there was, like, literally just blood all over. Like, actually all over the place. It was crazy. And then I went back and I fell asleep. And then when I woke up, I was in a hospital room with, like, two older women and not Tyler. He was not with me. I had one contact in, and I just had no idea what happened. So, long story short, with all of that, it brings us back to the skullpolamine. So when I get home, basically, I was okay. I recovered from the antidote, and I went to the wedding later that night. I mean, I was as okay as you could be after having something traumatic. They were measuring me, monitoring me all night long for a heart attack and for a seizure because of scopolamine and what it can do to you. And I had neither, thankfully. And the whole month after that, I felt super ungrounded. So that's. Yeah, that's when a lot of the healing happened. But I started feeling an intuitive nudge to look into skullpolamine. And what I found out is that in Colombia, specifically, this flower, it's a beautiful flower on the outside. It grows rapidly, and it's. It's called the Devil's Breath. So in Colombia, this. This flower is used, condensed down into a powder form, and it's actually used to commit a lot of crimes. Crimes to steal, crimes to, you know, do really inappropriate stuff to women or men. And if you. It's blown into your face or swiped in front of your nose. Skullpolamine specifically.
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Robin Schiller
And it's belladonna, isn't it? Belladonna is another name. I think so.
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Nicole Natal
It could be. It's like the trumpet looking ones. So in the U.S. scopolamine is. It's obviously used in a different form. It is used in prescription only, and it's used for motion sickness, and it's used for people who have chemo or surgery and they're nauseous, you know, so there are. There are ways that it's used. But in skull, in Colombia, it's used like that, and it's called the Devil's Breath. And Vice actually did an undercover investigation about skullpolamine. And it's called the scariest drug in the world.
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Robin Schiller
Oh, wow.
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Nicole Natal
So my. Just the fact that I was in Colombia and did ayahuasca, and that was an accident. We weren't supposed to be there doing it there. Fast forward a couple of months later, I end up taking this drug by accident, that it is used all over Colombia to commit these horrible crimes. And it has. Specifically in this part of the world, it's called the Devil's Breath. Like, I truly believe that my body was a vessel to, like, heal, to bring Such deep healing to this drug to, like, literally bring it in and out of my body because it happened so fast. It was only a day. I was, like, from the point where they're monitoring me for seizures and heart attacks and I didn't know my name or Tyler's acute psychosis to waking up feeling completely fine that the next day, like, there was so much more that was deeper to the story. And I do believe that, like, healing can sometimes happen that way. So that's my skull palming story. I wouldn't recommend it, though, to anybody.
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Robin Schiller
No. And Tyler was so scared. He. I mean, we were on the phone. He was on the phone with me, and he. He was beside himself. He didn't know what to do. And. Yeah, so I had. I could only be a supportive mother at that point because I didn't. I didn't know, you know, he was in Greece. I couldn't. He. I think he did all the right things, you know?
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Nicole Natal
He did. And thank God he was there because, like, who knows, you know? Now I don't travel without a list of my allergies on my phone, you know, and if I'm traveling alone, I would always keep, like, a paper that has this information because, like, if somebody wasn't with me and that happened, I. I couldn't vouch for myself. I couldn't say, I think I have the flu. I think I'm having an allergic reaction. Like, no, it was anyone's guess. And. And Tyler was the one who told them I had this patch on, and maybe it's from this. So he did kind of save my life.
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Robin Schiller
That's awesome. Well, it's not awesome that it happened, but. And you know what? It's so funny because I put one of those patches on when we went out on the boat because. But I think I had it backward. I think I had it inside out. I think it wasn't even. I think I had it, like, inside out. I don't even think think it was that, like, the medicine was touching me because I'm as sensitive as you. It's so funny because Tyler's. You know, he hasn't had a lot of girlfriends, but a lot of. A few of them have had, like, we're similar and you and I are. There's a lot of similarities in us. In. One of them is that we're sensitive. The health anxiety stuff, you know, but sensitive to. To medicines and. And new things. Like. Yeah, I'm very sensitive.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah. And I. I believe it's because, like, I believe because it's because our energy is sensitive. This, this transcends to our physical bodies because if you think about it, your frequency is vibrating, you know, really, really high and we're in this like dense reality, right? Like this, this matter based reality and like there's some medicines and some things that exist here that like your, our bodies are going to be way more sensitive to and like quite literally it's going to be a little bit difficult. Difficult to function in this environment. And that's why that's always a telltale sign that you're a sensitive being and you might have these sensitivities too.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, I turn them off. I mean I, I know that there, I know that there are. I know I have some, I know I probably do have some, I don't know, things, some. What did you say? Special gifts or, you know, but I, the one that I, I would identify with is the, is the radar is that I've always had. Just. And I, and I've come to find out that that is an energy thing.
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Nicole Natal
Yes.
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Robin Schiller
Like I can be in the room with somebody and, and yeah, it's an, it's, it's a definite energy thing. And it served me really well when I was a recruiter because I, it was like I could tell, I, I could, I could cut interviews short because it was like, you know, or, or then we would go on with it because yeah, you know, I knew that it was a good, a good match. So it did serve me, it has served me well.
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Nicole Natal
Like, like you're saying it's because it's. Our nervous system is a receptor. Right. And we have the ability, especially when you're sensitive to feel more like the scales tip even more almost like a 180 versus like getting to feel only like a certain portion of everyday life because you're, you know, you're fully dropped into your body. Your, your reception is even greater. And I'll never forget interviewing Carson Daly, who is a host of the Boys and Today show newscaster. And he was sharing about his experience with anxiety. And he said, yes, of course there's some days where I can, you know, I cry, I feel panic, I feel like I don't have control of my life and I lose it and it's really, really hard. Hard. And then he said, but on the other end of the spectrum, I can feel things like joy, like love, like peace even more deeply. Like those moments when I'm watching the sunset with my daughters on the beach, like it'll bring me to tears because I can feel so much more and it's profound. And he said, and that's why I wouldn't take away having the experience of anxiety, which I would interpret that like you wouldn't take away the experience of, you know, having a more sensitive nervous system and just being able to feel even more deeply.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. So stepping out of the deep conversation, who. Who else have you interviewed?
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Nicole Natal
Oh, man. Gonna rack my brain here. I have interviewed Carrie Underwood, Khloe Kardashian, Laura Dern, Neil Patrick Harris, Kelly Ripa, Anna Faris, Lance Bass, and a whole. Venus Williams, a whole host of others.
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Robin Schiller
Anna Faris.
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Nicole Natal
Anna Faris.
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Robin Schiller
Isn't she the one from New York? Who is Anna Ferris?
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Nicole Natal
I actually don't. She's blonde with blue eyes, but now I can't even picture what movie that she's in.
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Robin Schiller
Oh, okay. Okay. No, no, no, no.
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Nicole Natal
Okay.
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Robin Schiller
I was thinking she was somebody else. Who was your favorite. Favorite person, a celebrity to talk to.
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Nicole Natal
Oh, okay. So there's two. And I didn't name either of them, actually, but one of them is Julianne Huff, who was the host of Dancing with the Stars this year. So she is exactly how she appears on tv. She is so bubbly, so vibrant. And I was interviewing her about her experience with endometriosis. So we had a lot of things to relate on. And after that was for Women's Health magazine. And then after that interview, I actually ended up chatting with her for another 45 minutes. We talked about yoga and meditation and all of this stuff, and she is just. She is so lovely. I can't say enough good things about her. And then the other favorite is Juliana Rancic, who is the old host of E. News. And, you know, the red carpet. She would do all the red carpets for E. Notes. And she had breast cancer in her past, so I interviewed her for Prevention magazine, and same thing. We ended up just, like, connecting really deeply and talking a lot about women's health. I think that might be the common denominator here. So, yeah, those are my two favorite. But honestly, Hilary Duff was amazing, too. She was my very, very first interview, I think, on the. On a rooftop. That was for. That might have been for every everyday health website. That was for a brand, not a magazine. And, yeah, she was just. She was my, like, childhood dream. So being able to sit there on the rooftop in New York City and have a picnic with her was so fun.
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Robin Schiller
Yes. I liked her in Younger. Isn't it called Younger? Yeah, that was a great show.
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Nicole Natal
She's recording music again.
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Robin Schiller
Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, tell us about transitioning to ranch life.
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Nicole Natal
Yay.
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Robin Schiller
How has that been for you? Because you.
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Nicole Natal
You had.
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Robin Schiller
You had a dog growing up. Did you have any other animals?
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Nicole Natal
We had a cat, and I think we had hamsters growing up. If I can wreck my brain back far enough, I would say we did hamster. Have hamsters. But never have I ever lived on a place like this with so many animals. And honestly, it's. It's been incredible. So I think, like, living on a place like this, like, where you're so connected to nature and. And you're so connected to the animals, like, it almost allows you to drop down and slow down and to, you know, unplug from the, like, the craziness of everyday life and to be fully present. Because that's what I think being with animals is like. Right. You guys would know more about that with horses, but, yeah, just going outside, like, you're immediately brought into the present, and you're forced to kind of, like, unplug. It's almost like those old ways of operating, of being, like, so rigid and hard and working so. And being so fast. Like, it almost doesn't work here at all. You, like, have to leave that all behind. So that's what it's been like. But I think the other best part is obviously, like, you know, moving. We moved here. Tyler and I were both in Hawaii. I was there for four years. He was there for five years. And this next chapter, I just turned 30 last year, and Tyler just turned 29 two days ago. We are just entering into a new chapter of our life where, like, family is becoming the forefront. So not only are we here expanding our own family, but we get to live with you guys, and we get to live with Pop and. And all be together and, like, have experiences and memories together. And that's been, like, honestly, one of my favorite parts about it all.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, we. We joke that we're, like, a family compound, and we've. We actually. It's great. You know, my dad lives here, and.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, it's awesome. And so let's do a tally of your animals now. What are you up to?
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Nicole Natal
Do we. Do we count the chickens?
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Robin Schiller
Yes, because they're your chickens. And there you go.
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Nicole Natal
Goats. Okay, so we have one dog, two cats. As of last week. Two weeks ago, we have three goats. The goats are kind of yours, too.
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Robin Schiller
Well, yeah, I let you take care of them, so I think they're yours. Really? Yeah. They're both you and Tyler.
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Nicole Natal
I'll claim. I claim the baby goat because she's the Baby. And then we have 10 chickens. So what does that put us at? 13. No, 13.
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Robin Schiller
16.
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Nicole Natal
Yeah, yeah, 16. That's pretty good.
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Robin Schiller
That's almost as many as us.
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Nicole Natal
So, you know. Oh, who. Who was I talking to? Gene Ann. I was talking to Gene Ann on a. We were doing a program for the winter solstice. Denise Elizabeth Byron and I. And Gene Ann was like, oh, I see Tyler's back from tour and you guys got another animal. So I say. Say that Tyler is the common denominator to us getting more animals. But I love it too. I'm so here for it.
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Robin Schiller
You brought up Tyler and so. And Tua, what are. I mean, I know you're proud of him. How is it to be like, yeah, the partner of a. Of a future rock star?
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Nicole Natal
Of a current rock star.
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Robin Schiller
Current rock star.
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Nicole Natal
Okay.
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Robin Schiller
All right.
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Nicole Natal
Okay. It's a manifestation that is unfolding. But anyway, I would say that, like, my. I am totally wired to be the person to support him in this, like, the way I was. I function in my body like I'm a double Aquarius. And fun fact. So I was born on a new moon. And fun fact, so was Tyler. He was born on a new moon in Capricorn. I was born in a new moon in Aquarius. And we have the same rising sign, according to Denise. So we are both Sagittarius rising, which means that we value travel. We value, like, zest for life and joy and, you know, being all over. So. But I will say the biggest difference between me and Tyler is, like, he is really charged up in those social situations and, like, he can go and do that all the time and that. That's his dream, you know, and that's why it's unfolding. They are doing it. They're. They're going on tour and, you know, now they have a hundred thousand plus monthly listeners on Spotify, and it's all happening, you know, and for me, I am recharged in isolation. Like, I love to ground. I'm obviously a writer, a reiki master, yoga instructor. Like, I. I find my deepest, like, balance and creativity and ability to reset my nervous system in complete silence. I need, like, a break from the noise in the space. And maybe I'm still recovering from the east coast and New York City. Maybe that will change. But yeah, the best part is, like, we get to go out. You know, I'll join him a little bit sometimes on the tours, and then we come back to the ranch and we get to ground down and just be here and reset. So it's Honestly, a really good balance. So. Yeah.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah. Okay. I think all of my questions. Let me just look. I think they're all done. So let's go to the, to the five that you chose that we ask everybody. So the first one, what book do you recommend the most? Not necessarily your favorite book to read, but one that you feel everyone needs to read read.
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Nicole Natal
So I think there's so many that come to mind as a writer, I'm also a big reader and it all fluctuates. But I would say the most important book that I've probably read to date is Becoming Supernatural by Joe Dispenza. We have both talked about Joe Dispenza. You know, he talks just about how, you know, your thoughts can and your feelings can create your reality. And that's not really new information. Like we kind of know that, but the way that he makes it really, really accessible. And I love that he has a neuroscience background. So he is somebody that is creating a brand new system in measuring like our heart coherence, for example, like the amount of love in our heart. And, you know, he is measuring how our brain shifts during meditation and how we can actually achieve states of tapping into the quantum and tapping into our, you know, a potential that we're calling in by getting to that brainwave state through meditation. And he brings up examples so many infinitely in his programs and in that book specifically about how it's successful for every single person. It's not just that certain people are special. It is that this is available for every single person if you choose to believe it. And I will say, like, going off of that. My other favorite book would be Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert, which Warwick and I talk about a lot because she opens up with a quote that honestly has completely changed my entire life. And it is, do you have the courage to unearth the hidden treasures within you? And it's kind of similar to that Jade Shetty one. Because all in all, like, we all have this greatness and this amazingness, this good within us. Like we have a radiant, authentic expression. It's going to be different for every single person. But really what it is, it's like, okay, do you have the courage to share that light with the world? And that's really profound to me. That really changed my life, life, you know. So I would say those two are my top two.
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Robin Schiller
Okay. If you could spread a message across the world, one that people would listen to, what message would that say? Because you've already done your favorite quote. Well, now you have two.
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Nicole Natal
Oh yeah, I Guess so.
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Robin Schiller
If you could spread a message across the world, one that people would listen to, what would that message say?
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Nicole Natal
I'm doing this one on the spot. So I, you know, I. I think my message would have a lot to do with just letting yourself slow down enough and quiet the noise of the external, to drop down and, like, become in touch with, you know, your true self and your true, authentic self. And part of that process is going to be, you know, all the stories are going to come up, the old narratives. It might be stuff from childhood, it might be stuff from, you know, know, school or other indoctrination, whatever it is, experiences. But the more that we let those past narratives define us in the present, the more that this is going to continue to shape our lives and create our reality, you know, after this. So I think that my biggest message is, like, be brave enough to drop down and sit with yourself. This is what yoga teaches us. Yoga is not just like an asana and a process of, you know, know, physical postures in a workout. You know, like, there's. There's the meditation, there's going deeper, there's the removal of the senses, like, and it's kind of like what you unearth when you go all the way. Deep down. All we have to do is give ourselves the opportunity to do that. So that's by slowing down and quieting the external to bring our awareness inward. And that might be yoga, that might be meditation, that might be journaling. Everybody's going to have a different means or maybe even different seasons of different means that work for them, you know, but it's. It's. My advice would be just to kind of find what that is and then. And then run with it, and then believe in it, and then believe in yourself and just practice it every day. Every single day. Stay disciplined in that.
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Robin Schiller
What have you changed in the past five years that has helped shape who you have become?
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Nicole Natal
Everything. Truly, every single thing. But I think it. It really is like understanding that my relationship with myself is more important than my relationship with any single thing outside of myself. And also cultivating, like, as long as I feel aligned with my own inner truth, and as long as I feel connected to my foundation of why and the foundation of my authentic expression of who I am, then life is just, like, gonna be extra special. I don't know. I don't really know what to say for that one.
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Robin Schiller
No, that was good. That was good. What accomplishment are you most proud of?
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Nicole Natal
I think the accomplishment that I'm most proud of is creating a business. The Feminine way. And what that is is kind of using the blueprint of being involved in like a big corporation and different ones, you know, versus creating a business from a foundation of bringing in the principles of the feminine. So when I say principles of the feminine, this does, this means, like, you know, working hard sometimes, you know, that's, that's the masculine side of it. That's the structure. There are obviously action items that we also always have to do, but it's bringing like aligned action to them. This. So I'm most proud of creating a business and a set of businesses, you know, by softness, by flowing with myself, by not overworking myself, by maintaining, you know, that connection to my why and my inner foundation and my root, and then just trusting in the unknown and really just finding the joy and the fun in it. So creating for the purpose of creating without, you know, another waiting for something in return, you know, it's like I'm just sharing all of this art, all of this beauty, all of these essential oils, whatever it is, you know, to the world, all of this yoga. And if it resonates with people, that is so great, and it will. I really trust that it's just all going to reach the right people. And for those that it's not going to resonate with, that's totally okay, too.
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Robin Schiller
Well, we haven't even talked about the essential oils. So tell us about museum, Tell us about the essential oils.
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Nicole Natal
I'll tell you about muse. So in 2024, I created Muse Essence, which is a holistic wellness brand aimed at helping women find connection, balance and vitality with their cycles. So the whole premise about Muse is going beyond just connecting with, you know, the different fluctuations that we experience in our bodies. Whether we're, you know, in the maiden archetype, we're bleeding currently, or we're in menopause or pre menopause or post menopause and beyond. But it's also to slow down and to inspire rituals of self love and connection because women deserve to be nurtured to receive that back. We spend so much of our lives giving to other people and pouring our energy outside of ourselves. And sometimes we forget that we need to give that back to ourselves as well. So with Muse Essence, whether it's, you know, an essential oil roller, it's a face mist. I have different herbs for steaming or salves, ritual body oils for massage. Each one of these products is meant to help women just deepen their connections with themselves.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, you've given me a few, and I love them all. And I love Going up into that room.
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Nicole Natal
It does smell really good in this office. It's true.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, it's great. What do you feel is your true purpose in the world?
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Nicole Natal
I think through, I always say my. I say that I'm a sacred voice for the feminine. I think my big, my big purpose is to remind people of their inner power and to show them that every single person has this inner light and this inner power, no matter how that looks to each person. And I think there's an extra special focus on women because of, you know, the initiations with my womb and then the specific work that I do to help women just, you know, to accept themselves, which is to then in turn accept the softness, to accept, you know, the creative energy, the receiving energy, this, the creating space and. Yeah, that's what I would say.
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Robin Schiller
Well, is there anything I haven't asked you or anything else you want to talk about that. Yeah. That I haven't prompted.
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Nicole Natal
So funny when you said that. I looked down on my journal and I have like one single thing circled that we actually didn't talk about. It's like, and it's really, really big and it's. It says being closer to the source. So this is when we were talking about the ranch. And you know, whether you live on a ranch or not, it's like every day we can find more balance, we can find more vitality in our bodies. Like again, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, whatever it is, by getting closer to the source. So whether it's, you know, eating locally with farm fresh foods or maybe even having a few chickens or however it is like. And then, you know, it's actually praying over your food. It's taking a moment to stop and to acknowledge that like the earth brought this food to you and different people might have harvested this food, somebody might have butchered this food. You know, there is an animal that might be on your plate. It's like we can bring gratitude to this and respect and bring reverence to the cycle of life and to realize that, you know, know, we can live a little bit closer to source. Same with, you know, stopping, you know, maybe less Netflix and scrolling at night and tuning in, quieting our minds, like breathing, closing our minds, feeling into our heart space. That is our connection to source. So just how every single day you can like, cultivate these moments of being closer to source. Nature is obviously a big one too. Being anytime we're outside in nature, we can look around and we can feel. Feel like we're close to source. That's the last thing I would Say, okay.
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Robin Schiller
And how can people find out more about your offerings?
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Nicole Natal
So I have a website. It's just my name, so Nicole natal.com. i'm also on Instagram. My handle is Nicole Natal for Muse Essence. You can find us at Shop. Muse Essence on Instagram. And those products are all available on my website. And then for return retreats, our retreat handle is Body Worship on Instagram. And then Our website is bodysole worship.com.
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Robin Schiller
And lastly, tell us when the wedding is.
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Nicole Natal
We did just book our date. So May 22, 2027 is when we're going to be getting married. So it's exciting. Gonna be here.
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Robin Schiller
Here in Paso Robles? Yes.
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Nicole Natal
Right around the corner.
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Robin Schiller
Yeah, Not. Not at the ranch, but at another venue in Paso. So we have a lot to offer. There's a lot of. A lot of options. So they picked a beautiful, beautiful venue. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait. And I can't wait to welcome you officially to the family. Yes. And I do have to thank you because, you know, Tyler was not going to get married, and he had no interest in having children, and that was disappointing both of us because we want grandchildren and we want. You know, we. Yeah, yeah, you know that already. But, you know, we. We can't. We can't wait.
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Nicole Natal
So get to it.
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Robin Schiller
I know.
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Nicole Natal
I wish we could speed up the process, too, but. Yeah, with. With. With that. Like, when Tyler and I first met, he didn't want to really have kids. And we had a lot of conversations about it, and we realized that it actually was a lot of fear. So that was actually pretty cool, because it wasn't actually that he didn't want to have kids. It was actually that he felt afraid to, like, step more into that role because he had never been in a place to see himself, like, as a fatherly role. So that has been also, I think, really healing for him to drop down and to really, like, you know, think about those stories and what they originated from. But the moment where we, like, really uncovered, like, because that was almost a moment that we didn't end up being together because I was like, well, look, I really do want kids, so if you don't, then what's the point? Kind of, you know, like, this is fun, but I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for a partner, a husband. So.
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Robin Schiller
And I wanted to also say how badass that was because you stood up for yourself and you were like, look, this is what I want, and if you don't want this, I thought that was really brave. And so, yeah, I. I take my hat off to you. That was. That was great.
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Nicole Natal
I'm just happy that he's come around. So, yeah, it looks like our family will be expanding, not just with animals.
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Robin Schiller
Yes. And we can't wait. Yeah, we can't wait. So thank you for joining me. We are doing a retreat with Dr. Heidi Hook. Dr. Heidi and I, I started ask. I asked her about a retreat after. You know, we've done several retreats here at our place, and something that came. Keeps coming up over and over again is this thing. And it's normally it's older women, you know, my age, they have an empty nest now and they find themselves something. You said, you know, women give of themselves and you get to a point where you're like, who am I? Like, what is. You know, my kids are gone. What. You better love your husband because now it's, you know, just you two or your partner. And, you know, you. You really find yourself going, I don't even know who I am anymore. You know, I'm not a mother of a child at home. And. And so that is something that kept coming up. And so I talked to Heidi about it, and I'm like, you know, I think we could do something around this. And when she started describing what she wanted to do and she wanted to bring the horses for meditation and she. And she's like, it would be great to have a Reiki master. I'm like, well, just so happens I have a resident Reiki master. So we invited Nicole into the fold. And yeah, we're excited about what. What that's going to look like right now. It's scheduled for February, so not long. And, yeah, at the ranch in Paso. And it's. Yeah, we're so looking forward to that. It's going to be a fantastic retreat.
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Nicole Natal
So it's going to be amazing. And the reason why we focused on the root chakra is because it's the chakra that is at the base of our spine. Right? Like, if you're stuck in your root chakra, this is the space that guardians, like our inner sense of safety, of belonging. It's our sense of grounding and home and all of our survival means. And if we are stuck in this space, we're not really able to, like, find healing and balance, like, you know, up the rest of the chain of the chakras. So if your foundation is unstable, for example, like, think about a tree. If the roots are unstable, the tree is not going to grow tall. It's going to fall down. So it's kind of one of the hardest chakras, I think, to go into because there's so much in there. And a lot of the times, like we go through our whole life without really dropping into our inner foundation. But exactly what Robin said, like, you know, it might be that moment that, you know, your kids leave and you're kind of like, oh no, like, what now? Right? It's like, okay, you actually have to go all the way deep down and see. And then also to recognize that you can always begin again. Like any time in your life. You can be, you know, I'm 30, you can be 30, you can be, you know, younger, you can be older. Whenever it is like, you can always decide to begin the process of deepening your connection with yourself and creating that, that sense of inner home and inner safety and inner, inner, you know, groundedness with your root system. It's the root. It's a return to the root.
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Robin Schiller
Yep. Well, we're looking forward to that. So thank you again for joining me and thanks to Warwick for letting me take over. Yeah, this was great.
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Nicole Natal
So thanks, Robin. You're welcome.
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Robin Schiller
I'll see you at dinner. No, I'm just kidding.
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Nicole Natal
Probably, though.
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Robin Schiller
Probably. All right.
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Nicole Natal
Okay, bye.
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