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Peter Crone
Journey on magic lies within the trails we ride. You're listening to the Journey on podcast with Warwick Schiller. Warwick is a horseman trainer, international clinician and author who helps empower horse people from all over the world with the skills, knowledge and mindsets needed to create trusting partnerships with their horses. Warrick offers a free seven day trial to his comprehensive online video library that includes hundreds of full length training videos and several home study courses@videos.war.com just because you see what he shows.
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Warwick Schiller
G'day everyone. Welcome back to the Journey on podcast. I'm your host, Warwick Schiller and I am so very, very excited to share this week's special guest with you. This week on the podcast I have Peter Krohn. And I don't know if you know, if you guys know who Peter Krohn is. If you don't, you're in for a treat. If you do, you're still in for a treat. But I follow a lot of people, you know, on social media who are in the, you know, the human awakening, human potential, personal growth type sphere. And I've never seen anybody who is succinct, as succinct as Peter Crone. He can, he can say one sentence that just cuts to the core of, you know, everything you need to hear. And you know, it's interesting that probably the very first quote I ever saw of Peter Krones that really hit me between the eyes was I don't know how many years ago it was. Now I remember exactly where I was standing. I was standing, I was listening to something and I was standing outside the barn shoveling some hay or something. But it said, life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you are not free. And so Peter works with everyone from world class athletes to stay at home parents to redesign the subconscious mind. And he's known as the Mind Architect. A little thing from his website says we exist within limiting mental constructs that dictate our thoughts, feelings, actions and the results we experience. Peter helps people in groups step outside of the world as they know it and identifying the mental constructs that have been holding them back. Peter's work explores the fundamental issues that affect us all to foster a deeper understanding of our common humanity. Peter is a writer, speaker and thought leader in the human awakening and potential sphere. And you know, that's the bio. I've already recorded this podcast with him and that's exactly who he comes across as. I was so excited to have him on the podcast, not only because I wanted to chat with him. But I wanted to share his wisdom with you guys because, like I said, if you haven't heard of him, you will now be a Peter Crone fan. So he. Without any further ado, here's my amazing chat with the amazing Peter Crone. Peter Krohn, welcome to the journey on podcast boy.
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Peter Crone
Thank you, my friend. Nice to be here.
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Warwick Schiller
Hey, it's nice to have someone who lives in America who can pronounce my name without. Without being prompted, too. So that's good.
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Peter Crone
Yeah. Were you. You and Aussie originally, though, were originally Australia?
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah.
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Peter Crone
Okay, got it. Originally Australia down there. I lived down there for a couple of years. I loved it. I had such a great time in Sydney.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, yeah, I bet you loved it there. So, you know, I'm so excited to have you on the podcast, Peter, because, you know, with what I do separate from the podcast, which is horse stuff, the biggest. The biggest thing I'm trying to do with people is get them to have a perspective change. And you are like the. For me, you're like the champion of perspective changes. You know, I follow a lot of people, like, on social media and stuff that are in the, you know, transformational space or whatever, but I've never had anybody. I've never heard anybody who can be so succinct like you are. You will say one sentence, and I'll have to stop and stare at the wall for a while. And it's funny how many people I meet that have never heard of Peter Cronin. I'm like, you've never heard of Peter Crone? So one of the reasons having you on here is I want to pick your brain about some things, but I also want to share you with my audience because I just feel like everybody needs to get their dose of Peter Crone.
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Peter Crone
Well, I appreciate the very generous words, and it's yes, for whatever reason, I sort of have that ability to laser in on whatever is holding someone back and sort of help them see an entirely new world. So I'm excited to be here, and I love reaching new audiences and different demographics because I feel as human beings, we all have fundamentally the same constraints of the subconscious level that are holding us back from living a life of our dreams and fulfilling on our potential. So I've yet to meet anyone who wouldn't want to access more of that. So I'm happy to be here.
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Warwick Schiller
Even my wife's happy to have you here. So she was at Dave Asprey's biohacking conference in Dallas here a couple of months back, and she was at your Thursday session, and she said that. I think she went to your Saturday session and you said, was anybody here on Thursday? Because if you were, you can go home now. I not only talk in front of crowds of people, a lot of times I'm talking, like, at a horse expo in front of crowds of people while working with an anxious horse.
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Peter Crone
Yes.
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Warwick Schiller
And every once in a while, the magic happens to where like, that was the perfect. The perfect session had a beginning, a middle and end. It all came out right. And it sounds like your Thursday session at the Dave Asprey's thing was. Was. Was that session.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, they were both really powerful. It was, I think, because Thursday was sold out and the people were upset that they couldn't get into the room. And so I actually spoke again on Saturday, and they ended up being incredibly moving, both for me and the attendees. And there's something about doing live events that really, I think for you, you can probably attest to this. But I know for myself, it pulls a different layer out of me, you know, Like, I, as much as I love to go deep and help people really heal some oftentimes very, very old suffering that they've been carrying around for a long time, which is incredibly liberating. I guess at some level, I might be a bit of a natural entertainer, too, because I like to bring a lot of comedy, and the way that I get to interact with real humans in a live environment is. Yeah, it's just. It's very inspiring for me. And then to have a long line of people who want to come up and say thank you or hug or take a photo. There's just something beautiful about that dynamic of actually being with people. So I'm glad your wife enjoyed it. And, yeah, I'd give myself a pretty high score for both of those events.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. Because it doesn't. You know, it doesn't. I don't think it always works out that way. Sometimes you're like, oh, it's really on. And maybe you're on all the time, but sometimes, like, yeah, that was perfect. But I really feel a lot of it has to do with the exchange of energy with the people in the room, you know, the energy that they bring. And for sure.
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Peter Crone
And that's where I take pride. And I certainly wasn't always like this, but I feel like now, whenever I do live events, I don't really prepare anything. People are like, how are you so powerfully succinct? And the stuff you drop, it's like mic drops all over the place. And I think that really is by virtue of the fact that I'm just present with the people. If I go in there with this pre conceived script of what I want to say or try and capture some of my brilliant anecdotes or quotes and, you know, it just sort of comes from a different place. So both of those events in Dallas, the one that your wife attended to and then the Saturday. Yeah, I obviously have a couple of maybe two bullet points of what I want to speak to as a theme. But then I like, I like the natural unfolding of what actually transpires in a room with humans. I've done two live events recently and now we're going to be doing monthly live events because they've gone so well. We sold out within 24 hours and we need a bigger space already. And it's in both. On both occasions it was the same thing. You know, I sat there, I spoke maybe for 10 minutes and then I just let it flow with the people because humans are sitting there, it's like everyone's coming into the room with something, right? Humans are carrying something and normally a lot of some things like plural, right. So I like to hear what it's like being a good friend. It's like, hey, what's going on with you? Tell me. You know, and so even though that might seem like a, a tough dynamic to fulfill on when it's a group of hundreds of people versus just sitting one on one with a friend in the kitchen and you can really hear them, I, I still feel energetically I'm able to afford people that sense of safety that, that there's someone here who actually cares and gives a shit, you know, and that they feel safe to speak up and then from there the conversation just unfolds beautifully.
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Warwick Schiller
Do you, do you ever feel like sometimes you're, you're chat. I don't know if the words channeling or downloading, but do you, do you ever find that when you're speaking to groups of people like that an idea that you've talked about a lot before will come out in a different way, sometimes even on a deeper level than you understood it before.
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Peter Crone
Have you ever had that? 100%. I mean, when I do my mastermind, a three month container, my most powerful offering in fact, even on a podcast. But certainly when I'm within the container of my own company, right, because the podcast arena, I've done hundreds. But my mastermind is my team is monitoring, they're recording, it's, you know, people that have signed up and paid to be with me. And I'll often say something, and I'll say after it's. I couldn't have said that any better. Would someone on my team make sure we capture that? So, yes, there's definitely those moments that I am equally the beneficiary of whatever it is that I'm saying, because it may be, you know, a tenant that I've spoken to before, but with a subtly different distinction that, for whatever reason, carries a lot more profundity with it. Yeah, yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
It takes it to that next level.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
So, Peter, can you, for our listeners, I would have done an intro before we come on here, but do you want to tell us pretty succinctly, what exactly is it you do?
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Peter Crone
I can try. I think, as they say, necessity being the mother of invention. You know, I came up with the moniker the mind architect because I'd been called a spiritual teacher, a happiness guru, a performance coach, even a hitman for the ego, which was cute. But I, I, yeah. So I, I'll tell you what. I'll give you the vision statement for my company, and that will sort of be the catch. All I say, you know, I'm here to inspire the realization of a new type of human being. And what that means is to move from the current paradigm that we live in, which tends to be based in limitation, fear, suffering, and disease. That's the world that we have based on the mindset that people look through. And what I introduce people to is the world of freedom, love, possibility, and vitality, which is the world on the other side of the constraints of our subconscious. So that's a very high flute and poetic way of saying, I help people get out of their own way and their suffering and start living a life that they totally love.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, you're in the right place, because a lot of times I'll tell people that this podcast is about, you know, chatting with very interesting people like yourself and figuring out how they rose above the cultural and societal conditioning that we all. That we all get. And you've. You've risen along. I, I feel like a long way. Like, you have a, like I said before, an outlook that's very, very succinct, and it. I kind of want to dig into where it all comes from. But do you want to share with people a bit of your story first? Because you have. You have quite, you know, you've had a traumatic childhood, you've had some terrible things happen, and that's got to be part of how you ended up where you ended up. But do you want to do you want to give us the. The Cliff Notes on at least up till coming to America and being in America, then I want to take it from there.
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Peter Crone
But you can absolutely. No, I appreciate the invitation to share. Yeah, I mean, I had a unique childhood in as much as I was an only child, but I was orphaned by 17, which is pretty young. So my mum had been very sick from when I was about late 4 to 5 years old, and she passed when I was 7 of bone cancer, which was obviously very trying. And I continued to look at the ways that that impacted me because obviously as a seven year old, we don't have the wherewithal to process or cope with something that traumatic. And I certainly lived for a long time with a very deep fear of loss when it came to the feminine. Right. Meaning as I got older, I started to date or fell in love with somebody representing that mother figure. You know, there was a lot of fear around losing that partner. And then I think more traumatically, because then it was just me and my dad. Ten years later, when I was 17, my dad worked on the ferries that go between England and Belgium and England and France. And there was a major shipping disaster where the boat that he worked on, he was the senior chief engineer, it capsized actually within the harbor, and close to a couple 100 people died. And it was, you know, all over the news for days as they're trying to recover and retrieve bodies from the boat. And sadly, he was one that didn't make it. So, you know, that I think it obviously compounded the fear of loss. It also compounded the fear of being alone. But to have my dad, who was my everything and vice versa, because I was his only son, and obviously he had lost his wife, who he loved, you know, for him to, just as he did, say I love you and go to work and I'll see you tomorrow, and never came back ever, you know, that was. That was very, very difficult. And I can certainly remember sitting in or standing in my room once a couple of days after that and having this visceral experience of being completely alone, you know, And I think in ways that certainly at the time I didn't comprehend, it really forged what is now my career, I guess, where I had just an immense amount of compassion for how much human beings suffer. And oftentimes they're in a relationship, they're married, they have kids, their parents might still be alive. But by virtue of the design of the ego, which is this separate entity, you know, I had the visceral experience of being alone but the ego feels alone. So it's almost like I went to the depths of despair of a loneliness that most people feel even when they're surrounded by family. And so it just allows me to understand that even if a wife or a husband are married, but they don't feel seen, they don't feel heard, they don't feel held as an extension of whatever their subconscious constraints and limitations are of their ego, that they're not loved, they're not good enough, they're not wanted, you know, so yeah, that was, that was. My introduction to this particular life cycle that I'm in was a bit of a. Bit of a blow. But I still feel ultimately like the luckiest man alive for the gift that I have to be able to help people end suffering, oftentimes literally save their life. I had a post on my Instagram recently, it's just gone bananas. It's got over 3 million views, which for me is a big deal. And the comments, it's about suicidal ideation and helping people to reframe. As you said, my ability to shift perspective about when people want to die, it's not that they want to die, it's just a part of them that is asking to die that's been suffocating them. And to see people's comments, it's really moving. I mean, some people have literally said this. Watching this video just literally saved my life, you know, so. So I do feel fortunate that I get to do that and also that I even have a short lived. My time was with my parents, obviously my mom, very short. But my dad, I couldn't have asked for a better dad. He adored me. So I, I often say that I might have only had my father for 17 years, but I got to experience truly what love is. And I know friends of mine whose father they might have had for 70 years and they've never really felt that. So yeah, we all have our cross to bear and it's always appropriate for whatever karma we're here to transcend. So that's my story. It doesn't make me any special than, any more special than anyone else. But it, I think it does allow me to have an immense amount of compassion for humans and how hard life can be sometimes.
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Warwick Schiller
But don't you feel even that sharing that perspective helps a lot of people to. Where if you think about you, you know, if you think about. From the perspective of you chose this life and all the traumas were here to help you become who you're supposed to be. They're not bad things that happened that, you know, that's. I think that's a perspective change that, you know, I spent a long time not being aware of. And so, you know, I think just in the telling of that story and the way you phrased it at the end there, that's a big. Could be a big learning curve for some listeners.
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Peter Crone
I hope so. I'm reminded of when I first went to college in the uk, to university. And the very first break, you know, was Christmas, after we start in the fall or autumn and September, August or whatever. And I, you know, like anyone go to university, didn't know anyone and make friends. And so by the time it came for the holidays, one of my friends said to me, he said, are you going home for the holidays? I said, no, I'm going to probably go skiing. And he's like, well, you don't spend your time with your family. I said, I don't have family. And I'll never forget his face. You know, it just was like aghast, like, what do you mean you don't have family? I said, well, I was an only child and my parents passed. And he said, holy shit. Like, he said, if. If we lined up all 15,000 students at the time at the university and I was asked to pick who didn't have any parents, he said, you'd probably be the last one I would pick because you just, you know, for him, I think the, the disconnect was that I was one of the most positive, happy people he knew, you know, and I guess he had collapsed that with stability of family or loved ones. And it was very moving. And so I appreciate you saying the same, that, yeah, I think life is really how we see it. You know, it's like Milton, an English playwright. He said, you know, the mind is a place within itself and can make heaven of hell or hell of heaven, right? So wherever you go, there you are, and you're going to see the way you want to see. And oftentimes it's not even the way you want to. It's just the conditioning of how your brain has been wired to survive. And so I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying I've always been this free or had this ability to so graciously go through life, even with my own ups and downs today. But I just do feel that being human is a gift. Being human is an opportunity. And no matter how short lived some of our experiences are with people, especially those that we love or that extend love to us, that's something to be grateful for. And so that's where I feel so many people are, sadly, you know, unbeknownst to themselves, victims of life. They think everything is happening to them. And one of my more popular quotes that gets pumped around social media is I say life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free. Right. And so when you look at it through that lens, it's like, oh, this is this sort of three dimensional training ground where the universe has set up. Exactly. You know, the events curated for my own liberation. And so that's where I feel very blessed that albeit some of those lessons that life has given me have been a pain in the ass, you know, they're, they're nonetheless what has allowed me to discover true freedom, which I assert is why we're here, because that's our inherent nature. So that's the way I look at it.
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Warwick Schiller
That, that quote, when you said that again, that's the first quote I, that's when I first discovered you. I don't know how many years ago now, I don't know how many years you've been doing the rounds in social media, but I saw that quote, life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you are not free.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
And I was like, well, I remember I maybe took a screenshot of it or something, text it to a friend of mine, said, listen to this, you know.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, it's a big one. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
So, you know, your friend wouldn't have picked you out of 15,000 people to be the, to be the orphaned kid. What do you think it was that allowed you to have that perspective even way back then? I mean, this is your first year in uni, so what are you, 18, 19?
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Peter Crone
Yeah, I had to skip a year. They rejected me three times. So that was another story in of itself of my own tenacity and commitment that I managed to eventually commit, convince them to let me in. And it was a beautiful story. If I can toot my horn for a second. I got rejected three times in the first year, once in the second year, until I just actually called the uni and spoke to someone in the department, pleaded my case. You know, my dad had died, didn't get the grades as expected, and three years later when I graduated, I got the most revered prize that they give to any student. You know, it was, it's called the Sir Martin Robert Prize. Sir Robert Martin Prize for the student of all around, the most outstanding student of all around achievement. So it was, you know, just not academics, but contribution to the university. And so that Was for me a very. Yeah, just a beautiful moment of pride, you know, that in despite all the adversity, I could have easily acquiesced. There were other universities that wanted me. I could have given in and, you know, rationalize why I didn't get accepted because my dad died during my A levels in my final year at high school and I wouldn't have got the, I didn't get the grades that I was supposed to go to Oxford or Cambridge or whatever. And so anyway, that, that I just want to throw that in there because that was a very nice moment for me to. I don't, I honestly don't know what possessed me as an 18, 19 year old to pick up a phone which then was on the wall and you had to, you know, do the rotary, sort of giving away my age. But yeah, that was. I'm very proud of that 18, 19 year old, that he had the wherewithal and the courage to do that. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
So, you know, is that, Is it like nature versus nurture sort of thing? Like, you know, like I said, your friend, from outward perspective, you're the happiest guy on campus sort of thing. You would not be the one of the 15,000 to have been orphaned a few years ago.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Do you think that's how you were wired or were you doing a lot of introspective, deep stuff back then?
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Peter Crone
I think it's both, right. I think it's nature and nurture. You know, you got big topics out there now with longevity studies and epigenetics and realizing that we're not victims of our genes. Right. But actually based on mindset, diet, lifestyle, we can turn on and off certain proteins to extend, you know, the quality of our life and the quantity of our life. So I think it's both, right. I think I've been gifted with whatever my genetic makeup and if you get into astrology and people talk about, I got Mercury and Jupiter in the first house, which is the communicator and the teacher and the guru. So there were certain things there that allowed me to have a very unique outlook on life. And I think that coupled with really understanding the, I would say, albeit unspoken, the intentionality of what my dad would have wanted me for my life, you know, like it wasn't, I'm so young. He didn't know he was going to go to work. He was 48, you know, and that he was going to die. So we'd never really had that heart to heart, man to man. I was still 17. I wasn't even A man. And I was arguably a much more sensitive boy than most, and so there was no time to talk about my aspirations as a kid. He just adored me. So I think it's sort of that unconscious understanding of who he would have wanted me to be in his absence. Right. So I think that was a driving component too, that he, he just adored me. I. I was acknowledged so often by my dad. I was a very, very prolific soccer player, footy player, you know, and did incredible things. I even got picked up by a professional UK team to go into their development program when I was very young and sadly that fell apart. I went to traditional English school with Saturday morning schools, and so I had to drop it eventually. But, you know, he would take paper clippings of everything that I accomplished. And so I think that that sense of belief in me just naturally got extended as the way that I wanted to fulfill on my life as part of my legacy to him.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, you mentioned astrologers, Mindy.
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Peter Crone
Go.
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Warwick Schiller
Have you ever had an astrologer do a reading on you that, I mean, it's be hard now because you're Peter Crow and everybody knows who you are, but earlier on, did you ever have somebody kind of tell you what your purpose is here and you didn't even know it at the time? And at the time when they told you, it was like, nah, that can't be it.
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Peter Crone
I think early on when I. I've always loved these sort of more subtler, softer sciences, you know, that people sometimes can dismiss or poo poo. But, you know, I studied Ayurveda for 20 years and you know, the allopathic world would probably just scoff at that, yet it's 5,000 years old and makes the allopathic medicine look like child's play. You know, it's like one of, I think the third leading cause of death is medicine. Right. It's crazy. So, yes, I think there were times where there were things that an astrologer would say to me, which of course, when you're a human, you want to hear these aspirational, wonderful future sort of fulfillments that you're working towards. I think when you're not in that place, it's hard to comprehend. I think for me it's been more than natural progression of my life. That has been the astonishing part. Like that when I was 26, I mean, even coming to the States in 23 or whatever, it was like, you know, meaning I'm 23, 24 years old, you know, I would have never thought that. And then at 26, I get hired by Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman to be their trainer. Like, these are things that I could never have predicted. So there have been certain predictions, you know, that an astrologer has shared with me about my future. And I actually had a reading not that long ago with someone probably like six, eight weeks ago. And what he's predicting is pretty astonishing. And I'm not going to get ahead of myself, but it all seems very wonderful. But the one thing I'm always left with astrologers is they always seem to be telling you about this great stuff, but it's always in the future. Can I just have some great stuff right now? Of course. Tongue in cheek, because I feel very blessed. But, yeah. So they're. Well, there were some that would say, but without too many specifics, you know, but there were often times someone who'd say, you know, you're going to have a big presence in the public eye and that you make a big difference. And I think deep down there was a. There was probably a knowing of that, even without necessarily fully comprehending what it looks like.
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Warwick Schiller
Can I ask you about that? How have you. Have you ever struggled with that? Like, the, like, the enormity of the difference that you're making?
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Peter Crone
That's a beautiful question. I haven't struggled with it. And it's becoming, I guess, increasingly evident. Like, the number of people that stopped me. And even there, it looked like you were kind of moved a bit. But the number of people that come up to me in tears and like, I mean, I was. I was just in Cancun and friends with Joe Dispenza. We did a movie together called Heel, and he invited me to come to one of his retreats. And I remember the first morning I was sitting down having breakfast, and this. This older gentleman, not old old, but, like, I'd say late 50s, he walked past me and he said, oh, my gosh, you look just like Peter Crow. I said, I get that a lot. And I said, that's because I am. And he just burst into tears. You know, this is an old man, like, and not an old man, but, I mean, a man, right? Like, he's not a child. And he said, you have no idea how you've changed my life and probably saved my marriage. And I've had a number of people stop me in grocery stores and they're like, you literally saved my life, you know, So I don't think it's. It doesn't faze me. It just brings that much more humility, and it brings an immense amount of gratitude that I'm somebody who, for whatever reasons have been gifted the ability to use words. And I'd say behind that, obviously more the energy of actually really caring and being a very loving human who genuinely wants to help others and listen and hear them and see them. It just, yeah, just makes me feel incredibly fulfilled and fortunate. So I don't take it on like it's my responsibility. Clearly there's 8 billion people out there and I'd love to reach as many as I can, but I can't be held accountable for their lives. Everyone's got their karma, but I do feel I have the opportunity to perhaps again, going back to how we started, shift perspective. That could be the difference maker in the type of life they have and even keeping the life they have, you know.
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Warwick Schiller
Right. You, you mentioned the heel documentary before. I had here a couple of months ago, had Adam Schirmer on the podcast.
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Peter Crone
Okay, cool.
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Warwick Schiller
He was, he was a very cool dude.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, he is. He's a great guy.
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Warwick Schiller
Great guy. So you mentioned the whole Tom and Nicole thing before. So I want to kind of get that bit out of the way before we go further. But from the bit that I know of you in your off time at uni in England, you would come to the. Somewhere on the east coast of America, coach soccer, tennis.
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Peter Crone
Tennis. Tennis, yep. As a tennis coach for kids camp upstate New York. Yeah, it was fun. I did two consecutive summers. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
And then what, some bloke you met there later on said, hey, why don't you come to America? Is that. Is that how that came down?
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Peter Crone
Kind of, yeah. So as is typically the case in these camps, you know, they do a little bit of recruiting overseas because it's sort of they pay and peanuts just because it's the novelty of. I'd never been to America to pay your flight and I think I got 50 bucks a month or something. But it was such a fun experience. And then they have some locals who. So one of my friends that I, you know, got to know was a. He was from Long island and he had a beautiful family. I actually visited with them after the camp and traveled around a bit with my. My rucksack, my backpack, and he then moved to California. He always had the dreams of becoming a film producer, getting involved in the whole world of Hollywood and Hollywood or whatever. And so I went to back to the uk. I was finishing my masters at the time and then I had actually scheduled to travel around the world with a good friend of mine and we were going to go to Multiple countries and do the whole thing. And he was the world's greatest procrastinator. So I'd finished my thesis and he was nowhere near. So I said, look, well you, you know, twiddle your thumbs or whatever you're doing over there. I'm going to go and visit this friend of mine in California. And so that's what brought me to the west coast and kind of never left. I mean, I did leave California, but I, I, yeah, we, I stayed there for a long time. We, we made a terrible low budget movie together. Me, his roommate from university or college that he went to. So the three of us were these three aspiring entrepreneurial 24 year olds who didn't know what the hell they were doing. But we made a full length feature which was a great experience. Not didn't financially work out, but it definitely taught us a lot about, you know, working with a big team and, and the very corrupt industry of making movies.
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Warwick Schiller
What was it, a documentary?
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Peter Crone
No, it was a full length feature. Oh yeah, yeah. It's terrible.
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Warwick Schiller
Isn'T it? Isn't it funny? Like where, where you've ended up? If you think about it, part of it was because you said, I talked to people a lot about saying yes to opportunities and you said yes to the opportunity to go to the east coast of America to work for peanuts in a summer camp. And it's because the guy you met there and he had this dream of going to Hollywood and you get there and then you end up working as a, Were you a personal trainer in the gym? Is that what it was? That's how you met with.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, no, it's beautiful. And I often reflect on that and I'm glad that you do and you brought it up. It's like you sort of see these, I think the movie Sliding Door moments, right? Like, you know, where you see the two different potential paths that we could have gone down. And of course there's always more than two. But again, I, without sounding too philosophical, point out that you couldn't have a different life. Right? Like it's only the assumption or the imagination of a different life. You, we always have the life we have. So it does seem like, yes, these, these sort of cookie trail moments of one thing leads to the next. And that's why I go back to saying I feel like I am the luckiest man alive. That life seems to curate these events. Not saying they're easy, but that somehow do pull me forward into a better version of myself at every turn and that I do tend to rise to the challenge and that I did take the risk, you know, like, you know, they say playing it safe is the riskiest way to live. And I certainly, I think perhaps again, in ways that I didn't understand, becoming orphaned gave me that passport to freedom. That would probably not have been the case if, certainly, even if it was just my dad, because I adored him so much and our bond was so tight in the absence of my mother that I, like many children, would have probably been stuck in my own head about what does my dad want me to do, you know, the child that really wants to fulfill on the wishes of the parents. And so in a bizarre way, you know, I was really set free by them and whatever our soul contract was between the three of us, that my journey was really into that main product to talk about, which was freedom. And so I was able to explore and go to the east coast and then the west Coast. And, you know, I do, I do feel very fortunate for the way that things show up. And the gym in LA was one of those random moments where I was after the film, I was broke. I mean, I think I arrived in the states with about 250 bucks in my bank. I slept on a carpet, was a shitty carpet, it stained and didn't smell very good in a rent controlled apartment, you know, and that was my life. And then after we made the film, I had to get a job, so I worked in a bar on the beach, which was fun, but certainly not necessarily a good career path. So I can remember being in my apartment building and one of my, the other tenants who lived on the floor above, he, he came up to me one day and he said, you know what, do you have any like interest in maybe being a trainer? He said, you know, you're shredded, you're in great shape. And we, we talked enough that he knew my background at college was human biology and exercise physiology. I said, yeah, that would be cool. And he said, well, if you get qualified, you know, in a certification, I can hire you because I'm the manager of all the trainers at this particular gym. So that was again one of those fortuitous moments. And so I got the job. And then within six, five months, the general manager of the actual gym came up to me one day and said, I've got two new clients, clients for you. Which at the time was nothing unusual. I was the hardest worker. I mean, that was a joke amongst all the trainers. I was sleeping at the gym because I would be the first one there and the last to leave. And I actually found my Journal from my appointments with clients. And it blew me away. I had 13 clients a day, quite often like three or four days a week. That's 13 hours of training, you know, and I had to eat and, you know, use the restroom sometimes between that. So I don't know what possessed me. I didn't even have a car. I was riding a bike. And it wasn't even my bike. I was borrowing someone's push bike to get to the gym. So, anyway, this again, fortuitous day, the GM came up to me and said, we got two new clients. I was like, okay, sure. Because I was just, you know, bringing them on all the time. And she said, well, they're very special clients and they're Bob's clients. And everyone knew Bob was Tom Cruise's trainer. So at that point, the penny dropped. And, you know, it wasn't. Didn't mean I got the job. They were. They were recruiting or interviewing other people, but. But sort of intuitively I felt confident that I'd get it. Even though it took four interviews before I even got to Tom. But, yeah, then that led to the next five years of my life, which is really extraordinary experience.
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Warwick Schiller
So an interview. I've heard you said you traveled around the world with them while he was doing all the Mission Impossible to zero.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, he did. I mean, he's done tons, but certainly at the beginning of that. And Nicole was doing Moulin Rouge and. Yeah, we did a whole bunch of movies. We did Eyes Wide Shut with Stanley Kubrick in London and. And yeah, it's great.
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Warwick Schiller
I bet there's this. Yeah, there's. That's another whole lot of stories. Okay, so. So the thing I want to know is, okay, you've got a degree in exercise physiology. And. And what was the other part?
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Peter Crone
Human biology.
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Warwick Schiller
Human biology. Okay, you get that bit. You're personal trainer in a gym now. You're a personal trainer for Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Fast forward. You are now the mind architect. And you have, like I said before, you have a perspective, like, not many people.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Where did that come from? Like, how did you go from the. The outside to the inside? Is. That's my big question. Really?
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Peter Crone
That's a beautiful question. I think like anything, it's a cumulative. Right. As I said, even going back to my mum passing when I'm seven. To what degree did that contribute to the start of this journey that I couldn't see was being curated for me or was starting to mold me? The big quote, unquote, obvious event was actually, I fell in Love with this woman. When I was in Australia when we were shooting Moulin Rouge and two of the Mission Impossibles. And it was the first time for me, at least, there was what I knew to the best of my ability as a ripe old 29 year old or whatever, 28 year old, what love was, right? I mean, subsequently my understanding of love has become immensely more evolved. But you know, for me at the time, it was the be all, end all and she was it. And without going into every intricate detail about how we met and what transpired, she eventually came around and, you know, fell in love with me and she moved with me to la and we were together for about a year and a half and then she left. And it was in the leaving that I got to have this, what they call in Buddhism, sartori or awakening moment, right? Where it took a while. She left. She, her phrase to me is like, I've got to go. And I was like, why? She said, your love is suffocating. And I was like, wait, that's sort of oxymoronic. That doesn't sound too bad. Like, you know, there's so much love, but it's suffocating. So I didn't fully understand at the time, but it actually became evident as I did the work. So she left and I just really struggled. I fell apart. And all of my deep, deep, deep fears of loss came to the surface. You know, which you don't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize that came from mum and dad dying. And I'd never really, you know, trans transcended those or transmuted them. And so she was the, you know, people and circumstance being presented to me to see where I wasn't free. And so she left. I fell apart. Called every friend I had under the sun desperate men doing desperate things, trying to figure out how to get her back and all of that. And. And then about seven, eight weeks after that I can remember, my mind just wouldn't shut up. I was just, you know, I got high iq, eq and so there's this constant rumination and iterating on all of the different scenarios of what could be, should be and what should, what would someone else do and how do I get it back? And all of that. And there were these, I'd say there were four incessant questions. One was, where is she? Will I see her again? Is she dating someone else? And will I find love like that again? And they just were incessant, persistent questions that just kept me up at night sometimes quite literally where I remember One night, waking up and just shouting to my own mind to shut up. It was apparently certifiable back then, but anyway. And then one day in this, you know, famed rent control apartment, I got the answer to all the questions, you know, of where is she? Is she dating someone? Will I see her again? And will I have love like that again? And it was just three words, I don't know. And I mean, even as I said now, like, the feeling of relief that cascaded through every cell in my body was like something I've never, ever experienced. And in that same moment, I realized that the very nature of life itself is uncertainty. And we've never known. We're under the impression that we have a good idea. And certainly the smarter we get, the better we get at predictions or speculations. But I realize the truth is that life is uncertain. And yet, as a human being, by virtue of the brain's preoccupation with survival, it's always trying to predict and protect to keep us alive. And so that rumination of always trying to figure it out was really just me trying to survive the deep, deep hurt of loss, right? And. Which was only perpetuating it and sustaining it. And so at that moment, I let go of all of that. And what was so intense for me, insanely powerful, is within 15 minutes she called me on the phone. I haven't spoken to her for like, seven weeks and now she's crying, which is what I wanted to hear for the first week or two, that we were still in touch after she left, you know, saying, I miss you so much. And I just really got entanglement theory in that moment.
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Warwick Schiller
Oh, my God, like, you let. Yeah, you let go of all that. And she called.
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Peter Crone
There was no more holding and made her. It made space for her to show up. Like, and this is a crazy part, I was in LA at the time. She was in fucking New Zealand. I don't even know how she got there, but she was literally on the other side of the world. She couldn't be further away. And yet the interconnectedness of something and everything in my releasing, of the holding, of the desperate trying to get her, there was space and freedom for her to come to me or to show up. So as I shifted, you know, she shifted in ways that she obviously wasn't consciously aware. She was just inspired for whatever reasons to call and. Yeah, so from that moment forth, you know, we could say I. I saw the matrix. And of course, there's been countless other shifts and refinements of my own understanding of Life, the brain, human behavior, psychology, trauma, how impacts coping strategies and survival strategies that we all develop. And. But that was. That was the start of my new career because I just. I was literally a completely different human being.
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Warwick Schiller
Almost had like an Eckhart Tolle moment.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, very much, very much. My version. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Wow, that's. That's super cool. You know, if you guys at home just. I'm always especially helping people with their horses. Step one is you've got to be able to give up control. And that there was about giving. You gave up control, and the thing that you wanted to happen happened, but you didn't give up control so it would happen. And for me, I've learned a lot of lessons through life. Not because I knew the answer to the thing I did a thing, you know, cause and effect, gave up control. The thing you want to happen then happens and you're like, oh, but it wasn't like you knew the answer. You didn't give up control because you read somewhere, if I give up control, I'll get what I want, right?
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Peter Crone
No, it's much more profound. And for whatever it's worth, just maybe to shift the needle a little bit for your audience, you know, if you understand the mechanism of trying to control. Right. Like, it's not that we're giving up control. We're giving up the us that feels the need to control. Control is a behavioral adaptation to really, who are we? The I that we are misidentified with that thinks it needs to control. And you look beneath the curtain of that, you see that it's fear, right? Because control is a byproduct of living in fear. Fear being the experience of the individual who doesn't understand that they're connected to life and that you're held. Right. So when we're looking through the lens of separation, which is what I spoke to earlier, the idea that this ego, this identity that we are mis. Associated with is trying to survive, then yes, you need to control because you're under the illusion that it's up to me and that I'm this isolated, separate unit that has to try and control the external environment so that my needs are met. All of which is all reinforcing that I'm not part of the whole. My needs aren't naturally met and I'm not loved, held and seen, which is the lie. So as soon as you let go of the lie, then life can reorient itself to the fact that you are now part of it, as opposed to separate to it.
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Warwick Schiller
That's one of Those. Hang on, Peter. I got to stop and stare at the wall for a minute. That was a great distinction from what I said to what you said. That was about control.
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Peter Crone
Yeah. It's deep, isn't it? Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, You're a deep dude.
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Peter Crone
Don't around here, my friend.
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Warwick Schiller
I got a question. You said something a minute ago because, you know, I've got. You said something about, oh, I've got high IQ and high eq, so of course my mind does blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I have a high iq.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Are those related? Like the high IQ and the rumination, Are they. Are those two connected?
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Peter Crone
Completely. Yeah. I mean, I love quotes, as you know, so with people who are IQs, which tends to be all of my C suite executives and business owners and even some of my athletes. But, you know, I say being smart doesn't make you happier. It just makes your reasons why you're not way more convincing. Yeah, that stings a bit, doesn't it? Yeah. So what happens is when you have the high intelligence, your brain is able to curate articulate justifications and rationale for why life isn't the way you want it. So it's the same as somebody who maybe doesn't have the same intelligence or the wherewithal, but they're just, you know, very. They're using very blunt or mundane excuses for why their life isn't working. But the more intelligence we have, the more that we can pull from a fancy lexicon, a bigger vocabulary, and the life experiences that we've typically had. If we're intelligent, you know, it just makes our rationale so much more justified. And somebody who can't listen acutely or discern or cut apart somebody's reasons, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, no, you got a good point. So then you sustain and perpetuate your own misery. So that's why I love working with really, really smart people, because they don't have. They don't typically have somebody around them who can cut through the BS and realize that it's just their mind's way very slippery. Right. The ego will do whatever it can to be right. You know, again, one of my quotes, I say being right is the poor man's version of self worth. So the ego is always trying to find evidence for its own existence because fundamentally it's fictitious. So you have to find, you know, the reasons as to why you can be right. That you're not good enough or that your life sucks or that no one loves you. It's like, see here. Here's His. What do they say in the courtroom? Here's exhibit A For why. For why I'm a piece of shit. It's like, okay, congratulation. You got to be right about something that's fundamentally a lie because, you know, your mom or dad said something when you're six and you still believe it.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, I. I'm glad you said that. That last bit there. I think a lot of people, and I was this way for a long time, that, you know, you talk quite a bit about the subconscious that I had this subconscious loop that flew below the radar that I was a piece of.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a tough one to live in. That's a tough world. Obviously, it moved you right there, just even declaring it.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. And you get to the point, I think. I mean, for me, the first part is being aware that it's there. And I think that's when the. The. I don't know, the journey to healing kind of starts there, you know, having that awareness of that. That's what's going on.
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Peter Crone
Mm. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Carl Jung, you know, he says, until the unconscious is made conscious, it will drive your life and you'll call it fate. Yeah. So awareness, to me, is the first step, bringing that which we are oblivious to, but is the pattern that fundamentally drives our life. So we can see it. Which just, like for you, there isn't always comfortable, because invariably, you know, whatever that constraint is that we're stuck in is, it's not the most flattering view that we could have of ourselves, you know? And so when you look at it, it hurts because it is collapsed with a lot of pain from childhood. Like, what was it like for that little boy that you were to feel like he's a piece of shit? That tells us volumes about what your childhood was like, right? Like, not all the time, but those moments of isolation, of feel discarded, of feeling dismissed, of feeling that you're worthless and that you can't do anything right when that. When that is a child's experience, it's devastating. It's devastating for that child, which we can see in your eyes. Right? So I'm sorry that you went through that, but for whatever reasons, that's what you signed up for, mate, so that you could see the truth on the other side, which is, no, I'm a divine expression of all possibilities. I'm pure love. I am freedom. And you're clearly a big contribution to the world.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's that. There was a quote of yours I wrote down. Before, and I was just thinking about getting to it before we went into that bit, but it was a quote about overreading, but I think it's related to anything. And your quote about overreading said, who you are is an expression of pure love and pure possibility, working through a lens of inadequacy, insecurity, and scarcity, which led to a behavioral adaptation where you found comfort in food. That food could be anything, couldn't it?
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Peter Crone
Yeah. Pick your substance of choice. Yeah, yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
The lens of inadequacy, insecurity, and scarcity, which led to behavioral adaptation. Yeah. And so I think, you know, for me, the point I was trying to make then was I was 54, even probably 48, maybe before I even started to become aware of that, you know, that subconscious programming circulating there. So, you know, the reason I was mentioning that is because some people like me, for a long time didn't even know it was there. So you. You live your life with a level of unease or whatever, but it's not. It's not terrible, but there's, you know, there's this thing below the surface, and then when it comes to the surface, then that. I think that's when the. That's when the hard work begins.
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Peter Crone
100%. Yeah, we can call that functional anxiety. You know, there's a lot of people out there who are. Who are making it. You know, most people are just surviving, and we don't know what we don't know in terms of. Again, the quote I use, I say there's a language we use and there's the language that uses us. Right, so, meaning we're using English, but the language that's been using you has been, I'm a piece of shit. Right? Like. And we can expand on that. Like, I'm worthless. Nobody wants me. I'm not loved. I'm not. Not. You know, not enough. There's a whole suite of bedfellows that go with that. And when you live inside of that, language is going to use you, right? The way that you feel, the kind of relationships you've picked, the. The way that you speak about yourself in public, the choices you make in terms of your own health and what you do or don't do to take care of yourself. You know, it defines everything. I mean, I was just working in my live event that I just did with a woman who. She realized I helped her see one of her main prisons was that her needs aren't met or that she doesn't matter. And so she was sadly sexually abused when she was A gymnast and young, and now she's a stunt woman who's in constant pain, but she'll always say, no, it's okay, I'm fine. We can do one more take. So she was just crying, but realizing how appropriate, you know, for her quote unquote mindset that she's now a stunt woman who gets beat to shit, which is an extension of the fact that she doesn't matter, you know, and it was just staggering for her to see. Holy shit. Now, as a grown woman, I continue to live in that world. And that's what everybody does, you know, the quintessential people pleaser or perfectionist. That is a coping strategy for some feeling of I'm not good enough. Right? And so we actually, unbeknownst to ourselves, and it's all innocent because it's blind, we create our personalities and then the, by extension our life, you know, our personality, Our personality gives rise to our personal reality. Right? It's just that extension. And when you see that, it's. It's huge. It's huge to see. Holy. Like I've done this for 30, 40, 50 years is based on a lie that got created at a very trying time when I was a kid through no fault of anybody. It's not, you know, it doesn't help to point fingers at parents. That's the blame game. I'm still a victim, but really to see that was my life that I curated. And that for whatever reasons I decided in this lifetime, in your case, to think I'm a piece of shit, why did I choose that journey? Well, maybe, you know, if I could offer a perspective, it would be to realize, no, actually you're extraordinary and you're a divine extension of the whole and your nature is pure love, you know, but perhaps from the soul level you'd forgotten that. So it's like, well, we're going to give you the game called. You're going to think and pretend that you're a piece of shit until you realize you're not. It's a crazy but beautiful and at times really challenging experience to be human. But that to me is the ultimate. The ultimate game of being human is not about amassing more money, more followers, more power, more possessions. It's about breaking free from the constraints with which we arrived. That's. That's the opportunity to be human.
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Warwick Schiller
That's another one of those Peter Crone, Peter Crone quotes.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
I just. I'm just blown away by your perspective. I always am. But.
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Peter Crone
Well, thank you, mate. Appreciate it.
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Warwick Schiller
What? What? So you know, you had this, call it the Eckhart Tolle moment. You know, at this moment, earlier on, what other things would you say have been big influences on your perspective? Or for instance, one of the questions I'll often ask podcast guests is, is there a book you recommend a lot? Not, not necessarily your favorite book to read, but one that you recommend to others Is there is. Do you have one of those?
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Peter Crone
I have many. I think that was, you know, pivotal for me when I started to have this shift in perspective. I first got into the work of Krishnamurti and I can remember I was with a girlfriend in Paris. We were living there. She was American, I'd already come to the States, but then she wanted to study at the Sorbonne, and so I went with her. And I can remember, you know, reading a book of his called Total Freedom. And I literally remember lying in bed reading and going, fuck, finally someone knows what the hell I'm talking about, right? It wasn't so much he was. It wasn't a book that I learned from, but it was a book that gave me peace of mind and confidence that I wasn't a complete freak in nature in the way that I was looking at life, you know, but it was, it was wonderful validation for some of the things that I was starting to recognize. So then I did a bit of a deep dive into his stuff. I'll always cite the book that I think for me is the most impactful called I Am that, which is by Sri Nisar Gadatta, which is quite a mouthful, but it's, it's not, it's not for the faint of heart. It's not, it's not an easy read, it's not a light read, but it is incredibly profound and that I have, if people see it now, it's so dog eared, there's probably the equivalent of another at least one to two books inside of it just because of all my scribbles around pretty much every paragraph. So that was incredibly instrumental for my growth. And then, you know, more contemporary. I mean, there's all sorts of people from Eckhart Tolle, who you mentioned, you know, there's, there's wonderful books out there. I haven't read so much the last few years because I've been focusing more on my own content and writing and working on my own book, which is taking an inordinate amount of time, but I'm trusting the process. So, yeah, those Krishnamurti was awesome. Ramana Maharshi is another. I like the traditional gurus, the guys to Me really got it right. They really. They really. They saw the Matrix. And then, of course, there's the Matrix, which is a great movie for people to watch, and there's some other great movies.
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Warwick Schiller
That's a great documentary.
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Peter Crone
It is. It is. I love the last one, too, the fourth one. I think it's just such a beautiful love story. But. But, yeah. And then the. I am that. Those are the books that, you know, when people typically ask me for recommendations, they're the ones that I go to. But there's a lot of great books out there that will help people for various reasons, you know, and we all have our different proclivities towards, you know, certain styles of writing or topics. So I don't like to make it carte blanche. You've got to do those. You know, people might find some benefit. And Tony Robbins, he's not. I don't. He's not my, you know, my cup of tea. But for some people, he's the kind of guy that helps, you know, obviously, Wayne Dyer and Ram Dass and, you know, some great teachers out there.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. I think. I think the book you read, you have to kind of be ready for it, like I am. That is probably going to be above some people's current levels of comprehension.
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Peter Crone
I mean, then they'll put it down after a few pages and go, what the fuck is this? You know, and then they'll go to something else. That's fine. You know, but it's. Yeah. If you're able to get through it, very powerful.
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Warwick Schiller
Yeah. I think the first. I think it took me 10 years to get through the first Eckhart Tolle book I read, I'd start reading. Yeah, this is a lot of. And then a couple of years later, I'll have another crack. And you. It's almost like you read the same. The same chapter, and then you take another chapter in, then you're done. Then you read the first and the second and third chapter, and then you're done.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's part of our own evolution. Right. Because, you know, you would have been a different person the second time you read it the third time. Like the old quote, that there's no man that steps in the same river twice because he's not the same man, and it's not the same river.
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Warwick Schiller
You know, we. After our first year of the podcast, having amazing podcast guests on here, my wife said, how cool would it be to get all these people together in one room? So we started having these podcast summits. And so we've Had.
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Peter Crone
Oh, wow.
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Warwick Schiller
We've had two in America, we've won in Australia and we just come back from the uk. We had one in. In a theater in Birmingham.
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Peter Crone
Get this.
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Warwick Schiller
So you would be aware of all of the riots in England. Okay.
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Peter Crone
Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
So we're in Birmingham and I see in the news there's riots all over, right?
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Peter Crone
When this is recently. You were in Birmingham.
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Warwick Schiller
I was in Birmingham during the riots.
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Peter Crone
Oh, wow.
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Warwick Schiller
And I think it was, you know, it's a three day event. And I think the Saturday morning, the riots had been going on on the Friday. And when I did, I started the summit off on the Saturday morning. I said, what's really interesting is we're in Birmingham now. If you said there's like right wing working class riots in England, which city would they be in? They'd be in. They weren't in Birmingham. That's the only place they weren't. And it wasn't until Monday, after the summit was over and we left that Birmingham had their right.
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Peter Crone
Wow.
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Warwick Schiller
But anyway, sorry, long story. One of the guests who was there, she was a marine animal trainer from the coast of California up in Santa Cruz. But she's always had this real interest in Buddhism and she's actually closed down her animal sanctuary and moved to England where she's trying to become ordained as a Buddhist nun and on stage. At one point in time, while I was talking to her, she turned to me and she said, she leant forward and she said, you will not survive this conversation.
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Peter Crone
Okay.
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Warwick Schiller
Meaning just like you were saying right there, this com. You were changing as this conversation is going on, you're not going to be the same. I forget what the quote was that you said, but when you said that. So her name is Jennifer Zeligs, but she said, you will not survive this conversation.
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Peter Crone
Yeah. That's a powerful quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I often speak to the same thing as I said that one post that I put up recently about suicidal ideation. You know, I'm speaking about. It's not that you don't. You don't want to die. It's the part of you that's suffocating the narrative that's suffocating the life you are that wants to die. Right. That misidentification with something that's inadequate or insecure about you right now that's asking to die. So that's. Yeah, you're not going to survive this conversation. It's great.
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Warwick Schiller
I know I'm not surviving this one. So, Peter, tell us about what you are. What are you offering People these days, like you've mentioned a couple of times, you have a masterclass and you have something else. What are, what. Let's talk about that because I'm interested.
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Peter Crone
Yes. So my, my biggest offerings, I say there's two. To keep it simple. The Mastermind is a three month container where we meet every two weeks with me and we do theory in the morning and then we do coaching in the afternoon. So you get all of the philosophy mechanics of my work and how we as human beings have basically created ourselves to be prisoners of our own narratives. And then in the afternoon we see people break out of that, which is so inspiring. And then even between the two weeks we have, I have three mentors that work beneath me and they, they take people through, integrating the work so there's more support. There's a community component where you can be part of a feed where we talk to each other and share breakthroughs and there's worksheets. And so that's, that's my biggest offering.
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Warwick Schiller
And that's online.
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Peter Crone
And then that's online. So people can be anywhere from all around the world. We've had, I think in one mastermind we had 28 countries represented, which was amazing. People getting up at 2, 3 in the morning from Asia or Australia because they wanted to be part. It's all recorded so you don't have to do that. You can watch it whenever you like. But yeah, I love that. So we're about to start one the end of August. So my guess is by the time this comes out, you know, people will miss that because it's coming up on Saturday.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, this drops on Friday, so.
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Peter Crone
Oh, this Friday.
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Warwick Schiller
Unless. Unless you don't want it to.
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Peter Crone
No, I'd love to. I mean, maybe that will get some. Yeah. Well, okay. If people are interested, we'll still, we tend, we tend to leave the gates open a little bit. You know, people might the first one live, but they'll still be able to access the recording. So if people want to jump in on that, that would be great.
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Warwick Schiller
Actually we might be able to drop this Thursday. Then they've got time to organize and for that. Yeah.
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Peter Crone
Oh, that would be wonderful. I'd really appreciate that. Yeah, because it's, it's, it's so moving. If people just go to the page on my website, petercrohn.com or they just can click the Mastermind link. But you, if you just watch some of the testimonials, I mean, talk about saving people's lives, changing people's lives, I think eventually this will become known as that rite of passage for a human being from suffering to freedom. It's like, you know, you just do the mastermind because that's what's going to change people's lives. So that's, you know, but it's a more. It's a more expensive program because it's three months. And then I also wanted to make my work available for anybody. So I have my platform called Freedom, which is a membership subscription monthly, and it's just $29 a month. So, you know, and it's got 80 hours of my workshops from anxiety, depression, health, relationships. It's got my flagship program, free your mind. I do a monthly Q and A for the community. There's, I think, a wisdom library of over a hundred little clips from two to three minutes to inspire people. There's a community component where you get to meet people. It's. It's really beautiful. So they're the two main offerings? Yeah, Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
I think things like this, a big part of it is the community that gathers because, you know, we found it with our podcast summits and stuff, is that these people in a room full of people who are like, you view the world the way I view the world. You've been through the things I've been through. You've. You've made it this far. You know, I. It's that attunement thing. I get where you're coming from. I'm getting. I get the way you see the world.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's so underrated, even though people throw that word around a lot. Community. Community. But, you know, as human beings, one of our primal needs is to belong. Right. Like, we know Trib. I believe if we weren't part of a gang, we're not going to survive. And so it's still deeply wired into our DNA. So that's why I feel so blessed to be able to create these communities where people feel very safe. You know, they feel very seen, they feel very heard, and they feel fundamentally inspired to access parts of them that they perhaps didn't even know were there, laying dormant so that they can live an extraordinary life of freedom, love, and possibility. Those are the three main pillars of. Of what I offer in this work.
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Warwick Schiller
And you mentioned a book earlier. How long you been writing this book? Have you written a book before?
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Peter Crone
No. I mean, I've got a lot of writings, but nothing that's been published. Well, not. I've had small things published in articles, but, yeah, I haven't. I haven't finished the book. It's coming along currently. We just went through my schedule for 20, 25 and 26 and the idea is to release the book around June of next year. So. So that will be. That would be really fun.
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Warwick Schiller
Several Working title.
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Peter Crone
I've got a couple that I'm playing with, so I haven't completely decided it yet.
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Warwick Schiller
And how has that been for you? Because I wrote a book last year and I never planned to write a book. So it's not. It's like pulling teeth. You put me in front of a crowd of people, I can flow, but trying to get. For me, it was like. It was like the freeway in LA where it goes from eight lanes to two sort of thing. Like I'd sit down to write stuff and it's all in there, but then it would just get this big old traffic jam and it would all come to a stop. How's the writing process for you? Are you. Is it easy for you?
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Peter Crone
It is. I love to write. I think I write every day. Whether it's an insight, a distinction, a quote. Like stuff continually pours through me. I'm prolifically creative that way. I think my challenge, and hence opportunity, is to kind of put it together in this curated form of a book. Right? Like I've got writings all over the place, notes, emails, messages, post it, notes, you know, like there's so much stuff that I have. It's. It's just, you know, putting it together in a way that's coherent in a book, which, which is. It's come along because the structure of my book is actually really nice and I like there to be this formulaic approach. Like I kind of get a little bit nauseous if I pick up a book and I just flick the pages and it's just copy, copy, copy. It's just. It's overwhelming, you know. So my book is going to have a lot more spaciousness about it, the feeling of it, because it'll have one of my quotes on one page alone and then I'll expand on it on the next few pages. And so it gives this sort of breathability, I think. So I've got these 10 primal prisons I talk about. So there's 10 chapters that cover each of them. And so I think for people it will be very. It be soothing because it's not just jumping around. Oh, you got worthlessness. Oh, and then you got feeling of not being enough. It's sort of, as I said, very formulaic. There's almost an equation to liberation. So it makes it something easy for people to track. So that Part is easier now because I've got the structure in place, and so I'm just sort of filling in the gaps. So it's more than anything the challenge is. And that's my thing, is to dedicate the time to do it, you know, when I've got so many other things that are pulling at me, which are wonderful opportunities that, like being on a podcast with you and, you know, going to speak. I've got a dinner on longevity tonight. I've got another podcast after this, you know, so it's me being more disciplined in the fact that I cut aside, put aside time that is dedicated to the writing, which is also something that I'm doing now. So it's becoming much more efficient and productive. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
You just mentioned the word discipline. I struggle with that. Do you have. Do you have a succinct bit of advice for someone who struggles with discipline?
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Peter Crone
Yeah. The time you most need discipline is when you don't have it. Shit.
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Warwick Schiller
Can you at least give me something I can argue with, you know?
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Peter Crone
Nope.
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Warwick Schiller
Nope.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, so the fact that you struggle with discipline is what you need. I mean, like, everyone's disciplined when they're disciplined. Right. The very nature of what discipline is, is, you know, I think there's some quote about, can you stay committed to something long after you were so inspired to be committed to something? Right. So it's. Yeah, it's. I think it's. We all struggle with that. Right. We can. We can all embrace, you know, our humanity and be humble about the fact that we're easily distracted as beings. And there's obviously a million things that are calling our attention every day. Phones and messages and God knows what and families and spouses and kids and work and, you know, politics. And to really, I think, to really be able to tap into our true commitments, our true intentions, we have to be very clear with our scheduling. To me, the most powerful productivity tool is your calendar. Not a to do list. Right. So, for example, you were here. I was here on time, as we discussed, because it was in my schedule. It was in my calendar. But if it's not in your calendar, the chances are it's not going to happen. Like, you know, how many people miss a flight? Of course, some people. But, you know, you're talking like 0.0001% of, you know, most people make their flight. Why? Because it's. It's a scheduled event. It's, you know, the day, you know the time and you know where to be. So if you. If somebody struggles with. With productivity, the first thing I'd ask them to look at is, what are you scheduling that you're doing? And what are you scheduling, and what are you not scheduling that you're not doing? And I promise you they'll be correlated. Right? Like, so if you say, I want to be in shape, but you don't have scheduled, whatever that is to you. Go to the gym, go for a walk, go for a hike, you know, pay a trainer, whatever. If it's not in the schedule, it's not going to happen.
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Warwick Schiller
Happen.
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Peter Crone
So discipline, scheduling, accomplishing, you know, they all belong in the schedule. To me, they're all synonymous with being somebody who actually has stuff in your calendar. And then, of course, even that. You can cancel things, you can move things, you can kick them down the road. So then it, you know, then we start to get into the subtleties of actually being somebody whose words mean something. You know, honoring your language, having integrity, being responsible, or these. These are bigger issues. And then when you've got this big backdrop of I'm not good enough or I'm a piece of shit, or, you know, you know, when people have that as the way they see themselves, well, now it's, you know, you got double the weight to overcome. Right. It's the. The feeling of inadequacy that isn't inspiring me to see that I'm a powerful human being and that I'm going to create whatever I declare I'm going to create, because, you know, the subtext of who I am for myself is I'm not enough and no one gives a shit about me. Like, well, why would that person want to have an extraordinary, productive life? So, you know, there's cleaning up on all levels, but for the. For the top level strategy. Yeah. Put it in your schedule and then stick to it because you said you would.
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Warwick Schiller
I recently saw a quote, wasn't a Peter Cron quote, but it was just as powerful. It said, the magic you are seeking lies in the work you are not doing.
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Peter Crone
Very powerful.
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Warwick Schiller
And it's like, wow.
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Peter Crone
And like Joseph Campbell said, the treasure you seek lies in the cave that you fear to enter. Right. Similar. Different.
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Warwick Schiller
Yes, very similar. Okay, so we're gonna have to wrap it up here because you've got other stuff to do, and I want to honor your time.
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Peter Crone
Thank you, mate. You can always do another one down the road as well.
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Warwick Schiller
I'm open to that. So, quickly, recap. Where do people find you? Petercrohn.com his website.
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Peter Crone
Yeah, and then Instagram at Peter Krohn. Yeah, and then Google Peter Krohn, and you'll get plenty.
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Warwick Schiller
What about Facebook? You on Facebook?
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Peter Crone
Yeah. Peter Krohn, mind architect, I think it is.
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Warwick Schiller
Okay.
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Peter Crone
Yeah. Yeah.
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Warwick Schiller
Well, it has been such an honor and a pleasure to chat with you. Thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate you taking the time.
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Peter Crone
Likewise. I really loved the conversation, and I'm sorry it was a little shorter than you would have preferred, but as I said, I'm open to coming back on and continuing. And I'd love to see some of your work, too. It sounds like you do amazing stuff with these horses, which by extension speaks volumes about who you are as a human. So I'd love to see some of your work, if that's on YouTube or a website or anything like that.
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Warwick Schiller
They are a great reflection, I tell you.
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Peter Crone
Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I had many clients who've had horses, some who actually did equine therapy for a while with kids and stuff. And I actually worked with one of, you know, worked with a ton of athletes. And one of my most, I guess, fulfilling stories is working with a girl who was a show jumper. And, you know, like a lot of show jumpers, they come from very resourceful backgrounds because it's not a cheap sport. But she was 28th or ninth or something in the US and wanted to make the US team for the World Equestrian Games, which happens every four years, sort of flip flops with the Olympics. So it's sort of their version of.
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Warwick Schiller
I've been in the World Equestrian Games.
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Peter Crone
Oh, you have Different.
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Warwick Schiller
Different discipline. So my wife and I both have actually. For Australia. For America.
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Peter Crone
Oh, wow. Okay. Well, she hired me to help her, and even though it was nine, ten months out from the Games, you know, she was not in the reckoning or part of the. The picking for the US team by any stretch of the imagination, when she's 28th and they only pick five. Five riders and only four compete. But anyway, she. We did so well that her progress was seen as, you know, sufficient. And she. She got picked and we went to. It was in Virginia, and I think there was 48 nations that compete or something, and the US won and she got a gold. And it was the first time in 32 years. So that's my only experience with horses, but it was a very fulfilling one.
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Warwick Schiller
That's cool. So you don't know anything about horses, but you helped a very, very, very good horse person be even better at it. And so, yeah, at some point in time, it's not about the horses.
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Peter Crone
Yes, it's about. And what I Loved about it was a relationship, you know, And I think, you know, to sort of wrap up life is about relationship, right? We know ourselves through relativity. You're lying in bed, that bed's hot. You move your leg to the right and it's a bit cooler because the sheets on that side are cooler or whatever. It's all life is about relationship. And really what I'm working on is helping people have better relationships with themselves and to see the dysfunctional relationship that currently occurs for most people in their subconscious by virtue of just being human. And you don't even have to have had a particularly traumatic childhood. It's just the game of being human is that we arrive with these feelings of inadequacy and security and scarcity and the opportunity is to break out of them and discover freedom, love and possibility. And I'm all about it.
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Warwick Schiller
You are all about it. And I think, you know, you, sir, are changing the world.
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Peter Crone
So.
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Warwick Schiller
So keep rocking it like you are. I think you're amazing.
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Peter Crone
Thank you, mate. I really appreciate the kind words and it's a pleasure to be with you.
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Warwick Schiller
And for you guys at home, thanks so much for joining us and we will catch you on the next episode of the Journey on podcast. Before we go, I mentioned in that chat with Peter about the UK Podcast summit that we have only just come back from a week or so ago when we held it in England and it was, was absolutely amazing. The energy, you know, the, the presenters we had there all bought their A plus game. The energy in the room was just amazing. The whole weekend was just amazing. And there is still opportunity to, to watch the replay of that. So if you guys are interested in watching that, the whole thing, we live streamed the whole thing and then afterwards returned that. We turned that into a record. So if you're interested in watching that, you can go to summit.warwickshiller.com and that will. You can purchase the replay for that on there or if you are interested, if you're in United States. We are having our American Podcast Summit in October and you can also purchase live or live stream tickets for that one as well. And there's a number of people who were at the UK Summit who are going to be at the American one and I'm sure it's going to be a repeat performance. There's even more amazing humans coming to this one than there was at the other one. So, so excited about that. And like I said, if you guys are interested in purchasing tickets, you can go to summit.warwickshiller.com.
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Peter Crone
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